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Hour 1: Dan Orlovsky joins

The Stephen A. Smith Show

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Hour 1: Dan Orlovsky joins

"This is the Stephen a Smith Show podcast. I'm steven popular but I gotTa Tell You Steve Kerr saying Anthony Davis with two years left on his contract contract forcing a trade. The Los Angeles Lakers carries real risk real problems for the N._B._A.. Steve Kerr was right. I'll explain Stephen a Smith show on E._S._P._N.. Radio E._S._P._N.. APP Siriusxm Channel Channel Eighty and on E._S._P._N.. News will cain filling in for Stephen. You can only catch me three to six eastern on all those same television and radio dials coming up on today's show Julio. Jones says he wants to catch coach three thousand yards this season. He's ready to go Michael. Thomas Breaking News Is Not Saints Wide Receiver Michael. Thomas did not show up for the first day of training camp in New Orleans and neither did Melvin Gordon running back for the Los Angeles chargers as promised he's holding out the first day as the chargers the saints and half the teams across the N._F._l.. Report for training camp but Julio Jones is ready to go and man. He says he could catch three thousand yards this year. They got me wondering what's the most unassailable unbreakable single season record in the N._F._l.. Rushing yards rushing T._v.. T._D.'s receptions receiving yards passing touchdowns which one can't be broken. You tell me eight eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six and I'll tell you coming up in a little bit also on today's show the head coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide Nick Sabin a little bit later here on the Stephen Smith Show but it's time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless Steve Kerr for once seems to be not part of the popular crowd the cool kids crowd saying something the most people don't slap him on the back and give them a round of applause for Steve Kerr saying Anthony He Davis forcing a trade. The Lakers is a problem for the League. I'm talking more about the Anthony Davis situation you know work perfectly healthy and got a couple of years left on his deal and says <hes> I WANNA leave. I think that's it's a real problem that that the League has to address that the players have to be careful with <hes> to me when you sign on that dotted line you all your your effort <hes> and you're playing <hes> to to that teams to that city to the fans and then it's it's completely you're right to leave as a free agent but <hes> if she signed the contract then you should be bound to that contract. You know if you've come to an agreement with the team that hey it's probably best time time for us to part ways. That's one something but <hes> you know. The Dave stuff was was really kind of groundbreaking I think and then hopefully not a trend because it's it's bad for the League warriors head coach Steve Kerr on the warriors insider podcast. This won't be popular and I know it's unfair and I even acknowledged that it's hypocritical but Steve Kerr's right Anthony Davis forcing a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers with two years left on his deal could be a problem for the League. Let me explain. I'm not telling you the way it should be. I'm not telling you the way we wanted to be. I'm not telling you the way that it's fair. I understand the teams can trade players at any point in a contract. I understand the players players are held to some kind of obligation to their employer that the employer doesn't then extend to the player. I understand that the man I'm really not here to tell you what should be or what we want to be. I truly think one of the biggest problems is is differentiating between the way you want the world to be and the way the world is and what I'm telling you is the way the world is. This could be a problem for the N._B._A.. Steve Occur is right. I told you a few weeks ago here on the Stephen. Smith show will cain filling in. I told you that maybe I'm unique. Maybe on different maybe I'm a different kind of sports fan. Maybe you're different and better yet. Maybe the N._B._A.. Is Changing where we root for players. Personalities Big Stars who Lebron doesn't matter if he's Cav that matters the heat doesn't matter if he's a Laker Lou for roofer Lebron wherever he goes Roofer A._D.. New Orleans or Los Angeles. Maybe that's the way the League is moving. Maybe maybe that's the way millennials cheer on sports but it's not the way I do. It and I'm not telling you the way I do. It is the way that everybody does it but I do think there are a lot of people out there who root for franchises who root for cities these root for brands. You're out there in Long Island you root for the Knicks. Maybe maybe nets you out there. In Pasadena you root for the Lakers. Maybe maybe the clippers you're out in Houston. You're down with the rockets because that's who you were born to. That's what you were given the team you saw the games that were carried locally the way your dad brainwashed you and that's the way I rooted and still do. I don't trade it. If my favorite player moves along if Dirk Nowitzki ever left the Dallas Mavericks I wouldn't follow him to other team. I'd still love him and he probably even be my favorite player in the League but I'm not rooting for his new team because I have my team and it's not interchangeable. What I'm telling you is because of that because that's the way the league's built because that's the way the business is built? I believe the loyalty we give our teams. We expect in return. We expect it from the players and win. A player forces his way out from a contract. It is felt felt as betrayal remember. I'm not telling you that's right or fair. Just telling you the way it is and that can undermine the business because in the end the business is our support support of teams are support of brands are purchase of merchandise our ratings point our ticket that we buy and if we feel like we ever connection to a team of a certain depth and it's not returned it can undermine the league and again I get that it's not fair listen. I'll tell you what one of my favorite analysts Kendrick Perkins he went on. I take this morning and Kendrick went off on twitter by the way last night. Let me tell you what Kendrick Perkins had to say. When he heard about Steve Kerr he said and I quote Steve Kerr got his damn nerves to talk about anything that's going on with any other organization as if he just didn't have Kevin Durant join US seventy three in nineteen by the way Steve Steve Kerr Mark Jackson built that dynasty the nerve of him perkins off the top rope but now remember and Perkins did correct himself? Katie joined as a free agent with the completion of his contract correct not a four straight now he went on to say that A._D.. Has as much obligation to the team as the team has to him he brought up Chris Paul and he talked about Chris Paul which is traded away away from Houston Rockets. Hey what's good for the goose is good for the Gander if they can go one way why can't go the other in fact perk was on. I take this morning and he brought up this analogy. He brought up his concept. Don't want you to listen to perkins add to say nobody have sympathy for the players they give trading so to me. It works both ways the teams have a commitment to a player of the same way or play have a commitment to the team but if you take a guy like Anthony Davis who gave seven great years to the city of New World Organization at every you organizations didn't know without rich and they was going in what is supposed to be positive at their cat. That's Parkinson on. I take this morning so first of all. I get what Perkins's saying it's not a two-way street is not an equal relationship. Does the organization show the same kind of loyalty to the player that you're asking the player to show to the organization no no but again remember the contention here not telling you what's fair. I'm telling Oh you is this a problem for the N._B._A.. Could potentially be a problem. The answer is yes if it roads are connection to the team and make no mistake the connections to the team how many New Orleans Pelicans fans are really GonNa Follow Anthony Davis to Los Angeles Lakers. How many going to start rooting for the Lakers? How are you going by A._D.? Lakers jerseys they're not because they're Pelican's fans and if this idea that you invested a team and you invest in a player but it could all be for not it could be very dust I in a moment it can road your willingness to continue to invest all I'm telling you it's a problem for the business. If it seen this way it's not a problem for the rockets fan if they trade way Chris Paul and it seems the best thing for the organization keep going cat with perk waste his whole years in New Orleans in every year some different no so what's the problem with him. S. employees train at the gave his heart and soul the old the team because he wanted to go in another direction so I don't feel problem with it and Steve Curve. All people man like come on Bro. y'All was roller. y'All was Roman the Golden State Warriors. It was Roman that they. They started recruiting. Kevin durant before seems even was overweight. So you know was dead gratefully. Nobody has well what he's talking about their though is tampering and recruiting a free agent before his contract is up as opposed to forcing forcing your way out of an contract. I don't go as far as saying obligation is not some moral promise. It's not some look deepen. Them is handshake spit on our hands. Manta my word that I'll be the next five years. No it's business and I hear perk. It's business for a D. and it was business to force the trade but in the same vein I'm here to tell you that Steve Kerr is right when he said this could be a problem for the business of the League because it affects the way you and I maintain our loyalties are connections are tickets are ratings points and our merchandise to the team is not fair. It's hypocritical. It's not a two-way street. It's not utopia not the way we should be or wanted to be but it's the way it is Steve Kerr's right and that's straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless everything for less only at Walmart. You can let me know what you think edit eight seven to nine three seven seven six half of the N._F._l.. Teams have reported to training camp but not Melvin Gordon has promised with the Los Angeles chargers and not wide receiver Michael Thomas with a New Orleans saints. They both both want new deals. They both want new contracts but as I said earlier Julio Jones is ready to go. Julio Jones has said he will catch three thousand yards this season and nobody n._F._l.. Histories ever cut two two thousand yard so Julio Setina Mark Hi ambitious man but whether or not Julio can get three thousand yards it did make me wonder is receiving yards the most unassailable record in the history of the N._F._l.. Single season record books. I don't know that it is but I do think Julio is the guy to break that record right now. Julio Jones is second in single season catching receiving yards in two thousand fifteen. He caught one thousand eight hundred seventy one yard second all time to Calvin Johnson who caught one thousand nine hundred sixty four in two thousand twelve. He came up just short and fifteen. I do think he's the man if that record goes down who can do it in my estimation mation. Julio Jones is the best wide receiver in the N._F._l.. I do think it's close and I would put my rankings at something like this number. Three Antonio Brown number two de'andre Hopkins of the Houston Texans Number One Julio Jones of the Atlanta Falcons the only reason I think it's even up for debate is Julio's head injury troubles from time to time but he's absolutely other-worldly in his makeup his size his speed his catch radius deandre Hopkins has done it through through a litany of below average quarterbacks. He doesn't have one now. He's got a real quarterback with Shawn Watson and we need to give deandre hopkins respect for what he's done without a real quarterback but I still think in any given game any given season. Julio Jones is the biggest difference maker at the wide receiver position and I think he could take down that record of Calvin Johnson because I don't think it's anywhere near the most unassailable record in the N._F._l.. Record books if you think about it look mahomes. Put the passing touchdown record under threat this year. That was that's peyton manning fifty five touchdown passes and two thousand thirteen mahomes went for fifty this year Eric Dickerson famously ran for twenty one hundred yards in one thousand nine hundred four Adrian Peterson came close in two thousand twelve. He came up just under a hundred yard shy breaking that record and I think that can happen again receiving touchdowns Moss with twenty three. I don't think that one safe passing yards same year for Peyton manning five thousand four hundred seventy seven since then you've had breezy brace breeze Brady Rothlisberger and mahomes break five thousand yards. No I think the most unassailable records in the book on the following its these two. It's rushing touchdowns in two thousand six. Ladainian Tomlinson ran for twenty eight touchdowns in the year since almost ten to fifteen years since nobody has come close. Nobody's gotten to twenty. I think it's been almost a decade that gator two thousand nine somebody broke twenty rushing touchdowns in a single season leagues moved we pass the ball more we don't hand it off to the running back as often and more than that we give it to numerous people and that brings me to my second record. It's total touchdowns and it's also held by Ladainian Tomlinson who had thirty one in two thousand six now. We're looking at over a decade and let me tell you in that over a decade. Nobody's gotten close ladainian Tomlinson thirty one touchdowns touchdowns now. Here's why I think those are unassailable. Here's the lesson I believe and then going over a decade and nobody coming close it said. I don't think there's any single player. That gets dominate anymore now. Randy Moss was his twenty-three receiving touchdowns now Ladainian Tomlinson with his twenty eight rushing touchdowns believes gone versatile. It's gone diverse. It's gone multiple look Sean mcvay in Los Angeles Rams or Kansas City and Andy Reid. It's multiple formations multiple skill players on the field at the same time a tight end a slot wide receiver a big time X. wide receiver a running back and they wanna keep defenses guessing. It's no more hey it's I in goal from the two or three yard line and we we know they're giving it to Emmett Smith. It's no more like that now. It's Hell we could be passing on first and goal from the two and three yard line and so it's keep the defense absolutely confused unable to know what's GonNa Happen next you know they run on the ball out of passing formations more often than not now a loaded up and do the goal line play. We all did on Madden now they run out eleven personnel and run the ball after spread out the defense so because of that you have no idea who's going to get the ball. It doesn't mean you're still not GonNa have your team. Leaders and you're going to have guys who are tops in the league on any given year but I do think to get to the twenty three or twenty eight that record breaking level of touchdowns thirty one total. You're going to have to favor one guy so consistently that you're predictable that you're telling the defense is what we're doing and you can't stop us and I only the way N._F._l.. was built built right now. Legion net direction. I think total touchdowns in rushing touchdowns are the most unbreakable records right now in the N._F._l.. Record books I mean I guess we'll set aside. Interceptions both thrown in Joe Night. I trained lane cop fourteen interceptions in nineteen fifty two and I'm talking about half a century now you can go back and nobody getting close and I got one more for you. This is never gonNA be broken. This is the most unbreakable record in the books George Blanda through forty two interceptions agents in nineteen sixty two George plan is getting benched in week four in two thousand nineteen your average in three interceptions a game good night. Can you imagine bill Belichick Sean mcvay Vamos going. You'RE GONNA work it out man. It's all going to come together. I know it's week seven but these things are going to dry up. It's a statistical aberration your zero in any minute George. You're about to get this thing turned around forty two interceptions that one's not going to be broken. Oh can stephen a Smith show will gain filling in for Stephen Eh you can normally catch me three to six eastern and all these same television and Radio Dow's up to Shell Pennzoil performance line where I've got Andrew Idaho. What's up Andrew? Hey well is touching on <hes> the N._B._A.. Topic I think what the loyalty I mean another example of you know it'd be a two-way Street is Marta Rosen you know he gave everything to the stadium and helped make them a perennial eastern conference contender you WANNA call it for them and he wanted to be there and soon as they got an offer that you know trade up they took it and it worked out for them. Obviously right but you know just kinda shows the hypocrisy and I think you're saying what is and what we want to be. I think the reality is is the players have that power Carmelo did it you know way before eighty did it I think A._I.. Force trait out I mean it's not uncommon and what I think the N._B._A.. You know affecting Fan Dan Basis. I don't think the N._B._A.. Has Loyal Fan bases like the N._F._l.. Does just because consistently a handful teams actually have a shot so winning think hold on a second Andrew. Let me walk this with you so look we don't disagree. That's hypocritical all right we we we acknowledged. We both think that player is required a certain level of loyalties that team that the team is not have to give intern. We both agree. It's hypocritical right but what I'm addressing is is Steve Kerr right that that's a problem for the league players forcing trades. And breaking their contracts I believe potentially is because I believe that ultimately fans are loyal to teams not to players. You believe it's not because you think that fans in modern day N._B._A.. Are More loyal to players and they are two franchises. I think that unless you're you're team consistently has a chance to win. <hes> you end up rooting for certain players. I mean you're still root for your home team <hes> but if you know that they never have the shot you like C._N._N.. Players movie like seeing these duos form <hes> I'm kings fan through and I always support them but I mean I haven't had any expectations of playoff championships and fifteen years or so so it's Kinda nicely an A._d.. Nego and and change the the landscape a little bit now seeing all these duos and get rid of the superpower real question his andrew thanks for the call man but the real question is is if you do become playoff relevant in Sacramento and you possibly will very soon with the Aaron Fox and Marvin Bagley and when you do if the air and Fox forces his way out of a contract does that erode your support potentially of the Kings. It's always easy Andrew when it's not your team. It's always always easy when it's somebody else's team who star players forcing their way out of the question is what it when it's your team. Could it undermine your support Cameron in Washington. What's up man? You're on the Stephen Smith show with will cain hey well. I just wanted to our I guess disagree with the Steve Kerr's point on Anthony Davis <hes>. I think that actually we're anthony. Davis did <hes> healthily in the sense that they made the Palestinian. Go kind of remain more relevant. I think that they may betray their <hes> ticket. Sales went up because he said out they got the first round pick. I mean the first overall pick I mean there's a lot of things that he did because when he was traded <hes> you know he actually helped the Pelicans as well as the Lakers so I think that it was a good thing for the league and this happened with Paul George and the Pacers so I think that's interesting cameron appreciate the call first of all I think ticket sales are up the New Orleans because they got Zayn Williamson with a number one overall pick. That's what's going on there as to whether or not it's good for the League. I think the question isn't is it good for the Casual Fan who watches the game as a league question is is it bad for New Orleans. Fans is a bad for Sacramento fans if it happens to their squad is a bad for Dow's fans Milwaukee fans if it happens with Janas if it happens across the league at each every little fan base. Does it ruin the connection listen to the franchise. I still believe even the N._B._A.. Professional Sports are built upon fans loving local teams. I do think the N._B._A.. Is the least among our leagues where that matters by still think it matters all right. I'll tell you what I'm GonNa Bring Kindred Perkins himself. Let's get Kendrick. He'll jump on the show. He can tell me why I'm wrong about telling you Steve Kerr has a point about this hurting the League Kendrick Perkins and I will go back and forth he also said by the way Mark Jackson is getting blackballed by the League but not for perhaps the reason you think that and I've got the head coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide Nick Sabin coming up here on the Stephen a Smith show with will cain filling in when you're hiring you don't WanNa waste time sorting through dozens of a relevant resumes. You want an efficient way too short list of qualified candidates. 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Johnny got a tweet offset when he was three and from that he was hooked all he wanted to do was Gulf Gulf Gulf. He'd be on the links before school after schools all he ever wanted was to go pro and then one day <music> when he was holding his grandson and thinking about his twelve handicap Johnny realized it just might not happen for him but you know what did happen for him. He switch to Geico and saved a bunch of money on car insurance so that was good and sell was hanging up with his grandson on. You'll seem to the Stephen a Smith Show podcast. Let's get right into it with E._S._P._N.. Football analysts Dan Orlovsky Dan. I just laid out my top three wide receivers in the N._F._l.. It went like this Julio Jones one John Hopkins to Antonio Brown three. WHO's the best wide receiver in the N._F._l.? How have the put down your Hopkins at the top? <hes> deandre Hopkins is in in the class. You know I would keep A._B.. Out of it I would put Julio Hop and Michael Thomas and a really grouping their own. Those guys are all special or good route runners physical breaks but the thing that separates A._p.'s there but the thing that separates them those guys don't even have to worry about getting open a lot of times. They're open all the time and that's not said in sarcasm. Those guys can still be covered by great corners and make the contested the difficult the impossible possible catch because of the body control so those guys. I don't know if there's necessarily one that separates himself on the other depend on their quarterback play stuff but those guys that's three grouping is is just in a different class of its own in the breaking news of the day is the Saints Wide Receiver Michael. Thomas did not show up for the first day of training camp. He's looking for a new contract in New Orleans E._S._p._N.. Football Insider Dan Orlovsky Stephen Smith show with will cain fill in Dan. I just laid this out man. I said Julio Jones wants to hit three thousand yards. Obviously that a record he is second to Calvin Johnson most receiving yards in a single season and it got me thinking and I just laid this out. What's the most unbreakable single season record in the N._F._l.? Here's what I said. I want to get your feedback on this. There's there's there's two essentially it's rushing touchdowns. In total touchdowns rushing touchdowns Ladainian Tomlinson with twenty eight and total touchdowns is also ladainian Tomlinson with thirty one in what I noticed and looking back over the stand. It's not necessarily decline of the running game what it is is the versatility and the diversity of offense. They're just not giving it to one dude anymore. They're not handing it's one running back not throwing it to one wide receiver so no one player is racking up touchdowns the way they did what we're looking at is now almost over a decade ago see. I can see those going down because there's oftentimes in an N._F._l.. Season where like weird stuff happens for a quarterback will have forty completions down to the two yard line and I know so you do end up painting it off and those you get those kind of cheap touchdowns. We've seen some changes dad like the little quarterback in the shotgun flip pass to receiver on these jets sweeps and they end up in touchdown passes but I do believe that we'll get back to do you know sometimes haning the ball down in the red zone and because it comes so infatuated with the pass down there. It's been over a decade those two records rushing touchdowns in total touchdowns. No one's come close. I mean come close in almost yet decade cater more but they're so like again. You can have a freaky situation. I remember the lines went through this. We're like Stafford had a year. We had like twenty touchdowns but twelve times the receiver. Was You tackled that the two yard line <hes> I just I think that those can get broken especially with thirty one touchdown by somebody I would say there's two that stand out to me one O. J. Simpson average two hundred forty three yards rushing per game for a season. I don't see that happening anytime soon soon if ever because obviously tying to the running back and and how many times the guys are going to carry football and the evolution of how important is or how much more beneficial to pass but how about this let me throw weird as you do the bears defense in nineteen thirty two allowed forty four points that that that will that will never not happen again. That's that'd be I mean there's teams giving up forty four points a game so we will never that that's something that will will not be broken. That's fair. Stephen Smith show is brought to you by pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to pennzoil synthetics today Dan Orlovsky here on the Stephen Smith show with will cain all right man. I WANNA play a little game with you. It helps US put into context quarterbacks airbags and there's some and my favorite WanNa talk about honestly. Dan are the ones that are a little bit divisive. Mike Sando the other day was on the Russillo show podcast and he compared kirk cousins to Andy Dalton. He said Kirk cousins is Andy Dalton with weapons. He can be a pro bowler without he is. League average so I WANNA run a couple of quarterbacks by you and ask you to make a comparison to who they are and they're quarterbacks that people have really brought opinions on okay so the first is is Cam Newton Cam Newton the news is going to be put on a pitch count a throw count. Don't buy Ron Rivera. He's overcoming that injury last year and some people think cam is close to a top ten quarterback other put him in the twenties so if I say Cam Newton you say his closest comp currently in the N._F._l.. Current is he threw me off with the currently in the N._F._l.. Thing <hes> you know I would I would say big band but big. Ben is a significantly raise any better thrower the football. I'm GonNa break this right now and say I actually Eh for Cam comes into a health if R._G.. Three ever stayed healthy or vince young never had some of the off the field issues. That's what I can't cam to stuff that we had it necessarily seen before <hes> definitely better right up the football than thrower of the football but good at both <hes> but that was my closest to the Cham how deck you know how I feel about Dak.. I've heard Jack Com COMP dak.. I'm deferring the you hear comp dead to somebody else. I'd say Joe FLACCO <hes> good player off this damn show good player. I mean Joe FLACCO has been a eight good slayer for his career in up until this point deck has been a good players going good solid player. You're insane. Doing what did I compliment open heart in an open mind I did. I did it as you're gonNA accomplish with you. We're not friends anymore you don't do. Are you know what you are. When you talk about the cowboys you're you're? You're the twitter troll that when you say oh man <hes> you know A._B.. Now the top three receiver all in the past its steelers fans you know send you on twitter and just what I end on this person history the world. It's much more simple. You know what I am about back. I'm right it already destroyed you and debate on this and I'm GonNa Destroy His who your comfort Dak.. WHO's your comes? I'm not going to do that. I'm still going to treat you as the guest that you are here on the Stephen. Smith show will cain because here's a question I do have about Dak in camp together. The thing about Cam is one of his the biggest assets. Is this bill to run right and take a hit but that's really started to accumulate. Dan Rhyming injuries are starting to a real problem for Cam. Do you see that as a potential problem for Dak as well. I mean he's big like Cam but his legs are huge asset. Do you think injuries are long term. Impromptu deck injuries a long term for anybody in football but here's the reality will is if you WANNA go back in time and say Okay Cam Newton comes the N._F._l.. And we're going to minimize the amount of hits his body takes your also minimizing the player that he is and so you have to ask yourself with Dak Prescott okay. This is something that he's really good at. Can we do it and not bludgeon his body not totally shorten his career and cut in half. Can we utilize it. Keep them somewhat healthy and make him a much better player. That's where you have to ask yourself. Is it worth it for the cowboys and my resounding answers absolutely would you rather have a player that has the potential and shown Sean signs it becoming a really good player and certainly making your football team better because of that stuff it maybe he takes some more hits and maybe yes his career isn't sixteen years but it's twelve years but it is a better twelve years because you're utilizing it that rather than extending it a couple years in making him less if player during here you eat of the career I hear you. The thing is cam is the exception right his health and and I'm talking about how healthy he's been not how injuries he's been because most quarterbacks that run you brought up R._G.. Three Michael Vick they have suffered seriously from injuries worst in Cam. Has that makes me wonder what DAX futures I got one more compo and ask you about and it's your old buddy guy that I've believed in and taken up for and that's Matt Stafford Yeah I mean I say whatever a guy that will never get appreciated for how good he is during the career and then a decade after we will look back and you're like holy smokes. How good was this guy? The Fan and base will people around the N._F._l.. Will you're just GONNA look back and be like that guy was really good and he just caught a lot of bad breaks and I know that sounds like a cop out but it's the rout super talented does everything on a good amount of games took took some bad losses super tough great leaguer <hes> will they ever win the big one that you know the monkey off the back Steve Young moment type thing I don't know but those guys are under appreciated because they are better than the perception of them is e._S._p._N.. Football Danilov ski here on the Stephen a Smith show will cain one last thing man. There's a story of New England the Keel Harry the rookie wide receiver. He doesn't want to get his haircut. Apparently all rookies in New England are hazed. I get these ridiculous haircuts. He's begging. Tom Brady not to cut his hair. What what what happened to you? What was the worst hazing when you got in the N._F._l.? Oh so my my rookie year two months of becoming the N._F._l.. Joey Harrington words are starting quarterback. Hey Dan do you WANNA come out to dinner with a couple of guys sure we go at the dinner and it's Joey and his I believe it was his fiancee at the time like three or four offensive lineman their wives or significant others we go to this Nice restaurant at Birmingham Yeah Michigan and all of a sudden you know they're ordering these seafood towers all that stuff the bill comes and joey grabs the bill and I'm again. I have no idea that this is not commonplace. If they're regards the bill and he goes to pay and he looks at me you know you're getting this one book and so he gave me the bill and it was like ten thousand dollar bill and I was like <hes> and I had to take out three debit credit card type things and say I can't yeah. I don't have the access to put this really honestly that one's Dow was not cool man like look. I played collegiate sports. We've talked about it. We've made fun of water polo. We did the haircut thing like I think that's that's kind of acceptable level of hazing you. I don't know how much may but ten ten thousand dollar meal. I don't care how much you may ten thousand dollars ten thousand dollars so I that was my worst kind of like quote unquote hazing thing that <hes> I kinda experienced but it was it was it was a tough one last this thing you asked it's all answer who's my comfort Prescott long-term in Rodgers now. Tom Brady E._S._P._N.. Again don't worry you set that halfway through the interview E._S._p._N.. Football Dan Orlovsky here in the Steve Naismith show as well CAINE. Thanks man about just what you're in. The middle of Stephen Smith. Show podcast will cain filling in for Stephen a E._S._p._N.. Radio's presented was in Abbad Progressive Insurance and drivers switched and say pay an average six hundred ninety dollars less 699 less per year. You can only catch me three to six eastern on E._S._p._N.. Radio and on E._S._P._N.. News there at the end of talking with Dan Orlovsky here brought up the Keel Harry and hazing. He's not happy that his hair could get cut. He's begging Tom Brady not to cut his hair part of a hazing ritual. I guess in New England I get it man. I mean the guys I don't know how long has been working on his hair. I get it it stinks but I mean I don't know there's a reason the military cuts people's hair. There's a reason that we do hazing most of its B._S.. 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The Ocho: ESPN Analyst Dan Orlovsky talks Dak and Wentz

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The Ocho: ESPN Analyst Dan Orlovsky talks Dak and Wentz

"No no what a world. Welcome in an hour to another episode of the Ocho presented you in partnership as always with SPF nations blog on the boys dot com. My Name Arjo Choi of course from bt be in from here as you're humble host on the OCHO. It is Thursday the third day December nineteenth two thousand nineteen a few days from now the Dallas cowboys will take on the Philadelphia Eagles. If they win they are in if they win. They get a hat to get a t shirt they get back to back. NFC title To Brag about. And that's worth playing for you know so. It's an exciting week. It's an exciting time. And it's a very exciting day on the show as we have a very special guest after much hype much discussion much fanfare. We got him. ESPN's the ends. Dan Orlovsky joined the show to talk. dare I say about his feelings. And if you're a fan I think you're well aware of of The discussions that blogging. The boys has had with Dan Orlovsky and I want to say Dan is great and his work is awesome and you know we have fun and I I really respect that. He's able to kind of take it and then back that's the mark of a really awesome person and it's a conversation that I think you're really going to enjoy. Dan explained himself and we talked. Dak We talked wins. We talked kind of you know what goes into the quarterback position because there's a lot and it really is valuable to hear from somebody who's been there who's done that and and who knows a lot more than most of us ever will Dana's really bright mind and a really great analyst in I I really think you'll enjoy the conversation so make sure you You sit back and relax because the good times. They are coming Before we get to the conversation or quick reminder to make sure you subscribe to the blog of the boys podcast feed were available. Wherever you get podcasts or on apple devices spotify tune in stitcher Google? Play again if you need to Lincolnian. Oh you know Rj. I've got this podcast provider. How do I subscribe? Hit me up and I'll get you the link I promise you can shoot me a DM on twitter or instagram. I'm at RJ on. Both you can also shoot me an email. Rj Dot show Shaw espy nation DOT COM and. I will take care of you. That is a promise. Let's go get to it again. I think you're really going to like this and a big. Thank you for taking at the time to do this here. He is from. ESPN former NFL quarterback in current NFL analyst. Dan Orlovsky on coach pleased to be joined now by a very good friend of blogging. The boys some people might painted in a different light. But we know that we're pals the one and only ESPN NFL analysts NFL quarterback. He is all over the place all the time. The one and only Dan Orlovsky Dan. Thank you for taking the time for. Now it's good to be with you manage it it We'll have a lot of fun talking appreciate it so my first question is so I think everybody listings aware. The tweet you had on October. Twenty seven th And I think you're you know it looked like your initial point was just that will cain What has your twitter experience? been like since that tweet where you talked about about. Yeah I I've I've got a an intimate understanding of what fan base are offended. Certainly only not to push push the envelope. Honor Mess with the cowboys one You know I am on my my dialogue has been going on with will. Obviously talk of the two quarterbacks on voter Carson wentz skies obviously a deck die and You know I I meant the tweet I honestly meant it and I knew that I was tagging will on it that that would generate some some internal issues with will and then What's what's transpired is me Me Having some unique things said to me from cowboys fans but also legit appreciating the caboose spins. Does their van because of is there Their their passion for the cowboys and their passion for their quarterback and end up. I'll never run from that and I'll never kind of Underestimates estimates or undervalue. How important or how cool I think that is now? I think that that's well said and I've really glad we're getting the opportunity to do. So because there's a lot of context next is necessary that even twitter doesn't provide the platform for and you know you're a lot of places all the time on. NFL live show and get up and everything But so you know to look at it from a cowboy slant I think is really helpful so the conversation that I think every cow was fan wants to have with you is because you said you meant it why you believe that the Carson Wentz in these are your words takes over fourth quarter whereas Dak Prescott does not. Yeah when I say takes over. It's not just tie to the actual end-result. I think it's a process okay. It's not just hey we just went on a game winning drive and I threw the ball wants and we rented six times and all of a sudden you know if there were two great. Receiver bonded minded domino. Coached out perfect. Place I mean there's parts of that Sometimes just getting a feel of watching someone go above lovin beyond someone do something that man. That should not have happened because of the variables. This is a team. That's on the road against a really good. The defense and their offense vying banged up for the receivers. Aren't there coach. Called bad place and the player over comes and goes above and beyond and and that's just like the buzzword has been feel something that can't do you can't measure that right like you can't statistically measure that and so I think that when I sense that I felt that way watching it you know watching this play after replay and then when some people fire back some numbers I was like. They've got some evidence that would counter this But I I don't. I don't know if I watched the game and self like Oh my goodness Dak Prescott totally took that game over. I felt like he went above having it dominates receiver or above having done an offensive line. That was the reason why I think that you're you're right. And we have admittedly had a lot of fun with the Buzzword word feels but I think to your point. I think that your feelings are different. I mean you've been there and I know the athletic feed Sean. You recently recently was really great in talking about year rise into your role in the media now and I know that the Cam Newton video you put out you know I feel like it was forever ago but I know wasn't that long long two years ago or three years ago That that was kind of what had you sort of realized. Okay I can do this. This is really cool but to do your whole premise. Here that was based based on your feeling because you knew what came needed to do etc is that kind of where you know to sort of isolate things that you think. You're coming from here. Several kind of understand in. There's somebody who's been there and done that knows your point Carson needs to do this because this broke down etc all the domino effect at all. Yeah exactly like I'm seeing thinks things through the eyes of the quarterback and understood. Here's a perfect example is two thousand eleven. I I don't know how many starts at my crew of two thousand eleven then. I was part of a game. Winning drive with the colts against the Texans. I did not over. I did not take that game over. Reggie Wayne did. And so the end result those those dinner Laskey as a game winning touchdown but like I threw big ball to Reggie Wayne Greg catch then. He made a contested catch on fade ball. It was a good throw when it wasn't like I overcame doing throwing a guy that was potential hall of Famer is so yeah when I'm watching this stuff man man like when I sent a tweet I think it was the eagles on the road against buffalo and it was a long drive to fourth quarter to take the game or Kinda seal the game away and I'm watching Carson Wentz on three out of four plays coach makes a play call. The play Cole is defended by the defense better than to play Cole. Old shows like they. They're good defense and they defended well and yet the often still one to play well. Why did they win? The play with a quarterback overcame that stuff. He went above and beyond the coach. Then that to me is a Oh I feel like this player is taking over rather than that. Oh I got executed that stop uproar. He executed that Sade route. Or you know like there's again there's value to that but I don't know if that's this feeling of taking over. I think I think that's an interesting way to put it. I remember that colts game by the way Obviously everybody remembers that cold season. But I remember that vividly. I think it was in December. If I'm not mistaken can so second second last game of the year. Yep Yes so. We'll happy anniversary in good times. So so so how much of that then in football such a fascinating game. How much do you think is I guess out or controllable lable because to the I don't know this is even the case for back but you know Carson you know might be in a situation where he needs to take over in the fourth quarter? Because of of you know whether it's an error. He made an error Fletcher Cox or whoever made in the third quarter and the second quarter. Whatever and so I mean I? And I'm not saying that you're valuing the fourth quarter more than anything. I think people obviously tend to because it's the most dramatic part of the game. But where does I guess that ability fall for you. If you know I I think cowboys transient member for to give you an example of the point in two thousand seven. The cowboys beat the bills on Monday. Night football enough. Remember that Game Tony Romo had like five interceptions etc etc and they went down and kicked the game winning field goal. But you know so yeah Romo to your point kind of leads. His game winning drive in. That's awesome but overall it was terrible game for him and not that that was the case for Carson in Buffalo. Incidentally I didn't even realize that. But where does it. What does that trait rank for you? In terms of how a quarterback skill set is overall. Well I mean it's obviously important especially in the NFL when Games are so close in third downs and red zone performance matters. And then you know I think. Seventy percent of the games aims are are figured out by touchdown or less. So it's it's an important characteristic. Now yes you'd like to have consistently instantly solid high at quarterback play all the time but I'm a big believer in you know. We grew up in an era. I don't know how old you are but I grew up in an era Where we were told men quarterback makes everybody around him better? And I think we've taken that you're saying and just made it so black and white that we've lost sight of what it actually means like very very very humid quarterback I've ever seen make bad players good players or okay players. Really good like they. They make a good player. Pretty good they make a full k play your they very rarely. Do we get these quarterbacks that make okay players into pro bowlers. And so I think that nowadays football. It's not the quarterback makes everybody else better. It makes its everybody else makes quarterback better and they make these quarterbacks because of space because of the rules because of the coach is being smarter and match ups and so. I think that when you don't have those people around you to make you better you're play has to be that much more flawless and ended the day. What happens before were that fourth quarter? Moment truthfully doesn't matter. I mean at the end of the day when you get the ball the chance to win or seal the game in the the fourth order. What you've done before? That really doesn't matter because you only get sixteen shots and so to have that trait to do it. There's value in that they're got there. I mean you you get paid a lot of money to that tree. And so that's why I think that it's important traits Is it the most important. No the most important dude at a high level on a consistent basis now it is I agree with you. It's very important and it is hard to quantify NFL and in a lot of ways and that's why so much of it is just feel whether it's your feeling or somebody else's and you mentioned in your will call it. Discussions with cowboys was fans on twitter. That you had some stuff sent to you. That was interesting. I'll say and this has since changed but on the first day December. ESPN stats and Info. Had A tweet. That said the eagles were Owen. Seven in games that they trailed at any point in the fourth quarter now. The Eagles have since one two games shot in the fourth quarter. The last two games that they played in one and that makes some two and seven on the year. Now some of that is when they played the cowboys they were. You know they were well out of it so it's really hard to put that one on them. But what do you make of that. What how so? How does that tie into in this case Carson Wentz and his ability to sort of take over fourth quarter? Yeah I mean I I I think that some sometimes you you can't run from numbers right and then sometimes numbers are mis- misleading because there's also three game winning drops late in the fourth quarter. That would totally do that. And it would make that a number look total you know the the Atlanta drop. I believe there was another one at home and under the one against New England. Yeah Yeah exactly. So there's some there's some numbers there that now the play wasn't made and we could say anything you want foot numbers numbers matter but context matters as well And so like you could make the argument. Well they should be but when you I mean again in many games come down to a single possession. It's often what you're going to do with your one or two possessions that you might get in that quarter that will will be a big determining factor on whether you're seven and two or two and seven and so You know I think that was Carson Wentz. What's happened for him? Certainly certainly over the kind of the progress of this season is Carson is in. My opinion is watching them play. He wants to be superman all the time he wants to be. Patrick Mahomes you watch the big take play he wants to be the Rockstar. He's talented in that regard. And there's a difference between being an actor. I'm being the quarterback and sometimes the quarterback needs to take the back seat and needs to allow other people to do some things and doesn't have to make the hero play. I think he's kind of learned over the last half of this season We're getting TRESCOTT. I think has the better feeling of quarterbacking. Are you think Dak Prescott has a better feeling of what he needs to do in that game vs Tony to win the game and there's value in that But I think that in those moments Carson has the ability to do more with less. Hey everybody's going to get back to our conversation with ESPN's. Dan Orlovsky right here in a second but before we do going to take a very quick break to hear a word live from our sponsors. Hey Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nannying. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of College College. 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I mean I think that's kind of what Amazon's banking on right that you're just locked in. You'RE GONNA go to any other sites. 'cause I mean I don't hunt. And we end this season by pondering. The question is Amazon too big in. We just don't want to be the United States Amazon. We just really don't land of the giants. Giants has been recommended by the New York. Times axios wired and more. It's a handed. Look at the state of Amazon today. How we got here and what the future might look like like the entire first season is out now? Find out more and binging on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP all right everybody. Welcome back. It's time to get back to it. Here he is. ESPN's Dan Orlovsky on the OCHO. Do you think so much is talked about Dak Prescott leadership and you know I mean these are just reports but you've seen the reports about Carson Wentz and being a little egotistical stickle in rubbing the locker room the wrong way. Do you think that that I mean now. Just looking at their games is sort of kind of the idea. You're talking about the Dacca's able to take the backseat. Whether it's in the fourth quarter or you know in the first quarter whatever or even you know during Thursday practice when guys are just joking around or whatever you think that may be has that greater sense of balancing balancing personalities and and the game itself and that's what leads to success in a different way versus Carson. Yeah absolutely listen. I'll share a story oriented. You from Dan Mullen. Who's obviously decks coach Mississippi state I do college football for ESPN? It's an incredible experience. Sit Down at these coaches and so we're sitting with Dan Mullen well and he's talking about quarterback leadership and how you figure it out and it sector and probably they can impact elevate those around them and he goes listening to you. WanNa find out of quarterbacks leadership skills are if he can raise those people around him. Take your starting quarterback and put him with your third stringers in practice. He goes if the starter's only good with the starters. Well then they're dependent on starters but at the soda can be good with a third search. Then you've got that guy who can elevate people around him and and kind of do something that you can't measure and again in and said Alex Smith he said Tim Tibo. Oh and I say well. Who's the best that you've ever been around in without Abreast Dak Prescott? You said early on I think that Prescott is our starting quarterback with our stringers. There's and all of a sudden. Our third stringer starters. And I think that is something that you know. Someone's born with and they develop it from their childhood the way their parents apparent them to their struggles as a kid in other sports. I think it's you know a lot of combinations of thing. And and obviously that's shown from Jack Stepping in for Tony where You know I don't know. Of course it has that just yet I don't know if Carson had that you know ability costas from a small town to small school. When was the big man on campus fist? Very much. So not that deck wasn't but You know I don't know if Carson Carson's growing into that I believe that ability to go no that was my fault when it's not his fault in Carson Rolling into that ability to to say I have to be better than rather than Persson has to be better and that's a difficult difficult thing to kind of learn and develop certainly his age But to your point yeah I get a better handle On that kind of maybe a self confidence in that regards. I think that's really interesting and I think some of it you're right is ill. How your parented how you raise your friends? Whatever may be you know where they were drafted? You Know Carson's the number two overall pick and there's all this pomp and circumstance comes to that and Dacca's this guy that when he's drafted. Nobody's even paying attention to it. Because Tony Romo's there Etc How much would you say. I think we would both agree. That Doug Peterson superior coach Jason Garrett so how much would you say deserves for lack of a better word credit for being good. I mean these are really sort of subject terms of being good in in spite of Jason Gear. Because I think we'd probably both agree. Dak has better surrounding cast on the field but Carson and has the advantage in in the head coaching department. How does that all balance out in European? Yeah I mean that was one of the talking points that I felt about this season for Deck Prescott with the transition with telling telling Moore and John Kid no was that was a good player in an outdated scheme and outdated kind of ability to attack defenses and we did not know what Jack Doc was gonna be with a little bit more of a aggressive mindset and a little bit more of a update in modern day football field and that's probably what we had to arguably the best year of his career and so yes there is I I do believe that Doug Peterson is much more advanced play call or play designer and whatnot so yet deck deserves some credits. What else to say this did we? We are fourteen months removed or thirteen months removed from Australia. People going what's wrong with Jack and that brings it back to my point ten minutes to go back to have a great weapon at that point and they get Amari are inside. The quarterback can play again. And so you know. I think that both are tied together. but the reality is that Dak doc is with better coaching. That are seen as the best year of his career. I think you know this better than anyone. That people are going to be trying to compare to them for the rest of their careers. And I think you're right. There's a Yo Yo effect of you know. Well Carson had this great cast random in two thousand seventeen that was part of why they did so on on the team on the Super Bowl and now Dak has a Mario Michael Gal players and in all these other factors at what point if you had to pay rhino as hard but at what point could can we say okay. It's spend long enough. It's been x now. Can make a indisputable decision who has been in the end. Yeah I mean I think it naturally a lot of people are gonNA go. Whoever wins the Super Bowl I if one of them just whoever wins the super bowl I and there's validity to that right? You draft the guy to win the football games and you draft the guy I I will say this. I think both of them. If you have to ask yourself honestly do you think you can win respected fan bases or whatnot. Do you think you can win a super super bowl with that quarterback unequivocally the answer is yes or both of them And then I think you go to the next living which quarterback chain win the Super Bowl with less support around him talent wise I think it's Carson Wentz 'cause I think person went as a baseline of more talent. I think you can and do things that chant. I think that he had the talent level in a creativity level. That can't and there's people listen I've got friends who are coaches in that organization organization. That disagree with me on that very points and I respectfully get great arguments with them about it. What point are we going to be able to create or draw the line if delineations? I don't know I mean when they both hang them up. I think this is GonNa be the Michael Jordan. Larry Bird thing I I think he has the chance to be there. Where for the next ten plus years these guys are GonNa go at it and they're gonNA trade haymakers with each other? They're both good organizations. They both draft Braswell. They both are great cities and great fan bases I think at the end of the day when the careers are done That's it'll be the determining factor on which one was quote unquote better. I think that that's well said. And I think I think you're right. I think if you looked mechanically it just just sort of what's god-given Carson is definitely superior. I mean that's why he went number. Two overall index fell so far. And then I kinda the point of our discussion Dak has qualities like call it leadership for the sake of putting an umbrella on it that that you know he's better at than Carson and it all depends in terms of how much that becomes a relevant data point how how much much that impacts so on and so forth and so much of that is who's around Dak who's more receptive to it. I mean that's why it's so fascinating. I guess to to sort of why. That's that's why I'd say if one does win in one dozen then it does become indisputable because this is not. This isn't a case for us. A significant advantage because of his franchise or because the ways wrong or you know or the Fan Joe who cares this some organizations. NFL Eh. Thirty year track record being back and so if one does win one and the other doesn't or one wins more then it does become an audible. Thing yes to kind of go back to where all of this started Dan. We appreciate your time the takeover the feeling in the fourth quarter. Let's say that can you believe you know Carson Wentz his ability to take over and a fourth quarter is a ten out of ten registers to put some some. You know understandable numbers. What's DAX just so people? I can understand and where you are because I think people assumed you were saying that was a one and I know that that wasn't your case Then in terms of that ability specifically yeah I think if you're just going off talent and ability I'd probably put him. I mean I could be a jerk now. I don't WANNA be You know I think that I would put him in like eight. You know I think that He has ability to overcome some stuff. He has the ability to rise above the moment. And do do more than what is asked But I don't I don't put him on the same level as Carson Wentz. But he's in he's right there he's right and you know right behind him and he's gotTa more than likely had the opportunity to shut. Let me up here in the next couple of weeks moving forward And certainly in the years moving board or You know maybe opportunity to come back on in in and potentially told you so you know. That's what makes it fun. That's why we are going to bed ultimately to debate and discuss and argue arguing. Andy playful and you know the fact that you've been respectful about it all along and and we've got to give you a lot of props because there are some people that we don't speak on behalf of that you know got a little internet her Nettie about it and we're sorry about that but it's it's a really interesting discussion and overall you know we're picking you know do you. Do you want steak or lobster. You know what I mean like. It's you yeah right. Yeah Yeah I think that's GonNa be the fun thing. I think that's going to be the fun thing is watching Sunday Sunday. Sunday is going to be fun. I know my Monday morning or my Sunday night and Monday morning is going to be absolutely outstanding or horrifically. We've painful I'm aware of. It's the end of the day. We should have a lot of fun and I should take it to like if Carson wentz place poorly in the eagles lose I I I expect the cowboys fan base. To let me here is a as as they should. And that's what makes them make great envy's that's a great attitude Dan you're an awesome awesome dude a godly man. I mentioned I heard John Jason Hermanos podcast and that was awesome. We appreciate the time. Give us a score prediction. I imagine you're taking needles. I mean so what what's going to happen on on Sunday between the town was an eagles. Yeah so my football grain tells me there's no way to win this game. There's just no way with all the injuries and the difference in different than talent my emotion my pride by e tells me. There's no way that the Eagles lose this game so I'm GonNa say that the Eagles will win the game. Twenty seven twenty three. And it'll be a game winning touchdown cash by Nelson Aguilar who get his redemption story. Wow that's a lot of narratives breaking it wants. You know I mean so you know I mean I don't mean hopefully you're right right but hopefully it's a great game. That's what we want to see. Dan We appreciate the time happy holidays. Merry Christmas to you and your family we love you on. ESPN do a great job on college football as well you grind harder than than just about anybody in the business so keep up the great work we appreciate. I appreciate a man I appreciate. You guys worked pre-take you what you guys do. You guys will break killing with big. Thank you to Dan Orlovsky for taking the time to chat to talk to Kinda just can't around. I mean that was really fun and I know I learned earned a lot and I think I speak for you saying that you did as well I I. One of my favorite things that Dan said was there at the end when he talked about how his pride is part part of why he was taken the eagles. Because I like that honesty from Dan and I think that that's why so many viewers in so many listeners. Like what he does. ESPN he certainly brings an incredible objective objective lens to a lot of different things both at the NFL and collegiate levels in terms of the football analyzes and calls. But I like that authenticity. I mean you know. We're are in a day and age where you stood at the people that think you know. You can't have a favorite team. Whatever but I love that I love that detail saying you know what man you know? I think this but I want this and I. I think that's really cool. I want that authenticity from the people that I'm consuming content from and I think that's why you listen to blog on the boys right. I mean you want something that certainly fair and objective but something that is presenting the information and the data with the cowboys spin. That's you know your team. That's what you WanNa hear. And so I think that was really cool from Dan Orlovsky and I thought that his stance made sense and the feeling Buzzword as he put it is certainly something that a lot of people latched onto but You know that that's just that's twitter and that's the way it is. I mentioned it by the way in talking to him. If you have not. You should go read the feature that Lindsey Jones wrote about him in the athletic. It's really cool to kind of get to see the rise of Dan and what you know. His career is in how it's becoming everything that's awesome but last thoughts before we get out of here just because it's the biggest thing that anyone Concerning the cow was talking about Dak Prescott soldier. I'm personally not that concerned about it. You know there's you you know it's been proven that it was injured on the first play of the second offensive series against the rams from that point on Dak.. Prescott was fourteen of twenty two hundred six yards and two touchdowns. I don't think it's a big deal so I think I'll be fine but yeah hope you enjoyed the episode and I hope you have the absolute best Thursday of all time you know why because you deserve serving my friends is always go cowboys and peace out. uh-huh this episode is brought to you by Dell X. P. 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Hour 2: Dan Orlovsky

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These lebatardshow with this to get spot cass <music> greg cody back in my day is coming up here in a couple of minutes <hes> but i someone writes in via the <hes> twitter and antonio brown has taken to twitter in a funny way in a second we'll get to that but someone else has written to our show because we have have a local hour that you can now get in a different place than you've ever gotten it before a local hour that still exists actually most people are getting at the same place okay eh but it's still out there for people who have been moved off of seven ninety and <hes> haven't found their way in miami over two five sixty. It's been moved and so you you can get it and evidently <hes> the conversation. This morning was objectionable to someone who has written in via twitter the following no sports talk radio show should refer to a man's junk as his we. We don't get the show. I say this is exactly exactly the show that should refer to manage junk as his. We don't know why they were wrong. I don't know why they were referring to their man's junk in the local hour the longstanding debate about washing your hands after you pee go ahead and <hes> well if you subscribe to this radio show you're already subscribed to the local hour but a friendly reminder as stands for the time being this digital exclusive so if you're a fan of the shipping container and support we do south florida sports got you covered and we all often talk about we uh-huh so speaking of which <hes> antonio brown has written on twitter quote. I'm looking for a shut air advantage adult large helmet that was manufactured in two thousand ten or after in exchange. I will trade a sign practice worn raider thelma. Let's give them all up. I mean this is what i'm saying. You see he's desperate now dude. If antonio brown can't get his hands on those no-one can. He has so many means that we don't it just google it like. I felt like ten on their antonio brown just out of curiosity if you're listening which what size are you see if i can help you out with this but he's not offering enough enough now. Well that's the thing i'm not actually helping with. Scoop it up and then jerseys get that order. He is out of his mind. Not saying jersey saying a game or a practice worn warn helmet practice worn helmets. He practiced i mean is it the one he painted because one would be the one i would want low mileage home. What would you want more the the helmet millions of dollars a millions of dollars because he was going to give up ninety if you didn't get this helmet so i'm thinking we start the negotiations at forty five. How would you feel about he'll. Do cameo appearances for you for a year like whatever it is that you want him to get him to do like twenty five dollars already talk to five hundred million and it's not twenty five dollars. Antonio brown now has a higher polarizing cue rating than he had before and back then he was charging five hundred dollars is be a cameo for this slop. Happy thirtieth birthday and i hear this anniversary what i hear you been working really hard as a defense vessel turney and you're here happy birthday. We celebrate you today. Up your birthday gomez. Well read a lot of thought but yeah five hundred dollars was the going rate back before he was this lunatic who paints his face and his helmet so ubiquitous fifteen hundred now or something you you have to call cameos lake h._r. Not h._r. But like customer service be like listen like what is this better. This can't be what you guys. Forgive me for five hundred dollars. They can't be this happy. Thirty eighth birthday and i hear this diversity wedding. I think you've been working. It really hard as a defense attorney your birthday happy birthday. We celebrate you. Today of your birthday is booming of all the things i just. He never even said anybody's naming that that could be for anybody. That's z. Congratulating for the birthday the anniversary or being a good attorney. I think that the funniest part of that mike thinks the funniest part of that is anniversary being before the word wedding and how he snuck wedding in there at the end slyly. I don't think that's the funniest part. I think the funniest part is him saying alleging. I hear you're a defense attorney like. How did you hear that. Someone gave you five hundred dollars. I if you're a defense attorney happy thirtieth birthday and i hated it's just second anniversary wedding. I hate you been working really hard as defense attorney and your birthday is celebrate you today your birthday. As how did you hear. The nameless person was working hard town canadian waves. It's all they're talking about in the locker room. He in gruden <hes> greg cote. He's back in my day is right now. Oh now in these to take a trip down memory lane. Here's your guy rick could he with back in my day candles. Oaks candles have been around since five hundred b._c. And industrially mass marketed since the eighteen thirties of course i mean real candle in igniting wick embedded in wax or other flammable substance such as tallow the candle provides light. Perhaps fragrance even heat. A person who makes candles has called a chandler from whence we get the word chandelier lear candles are amazing things really a naked flame lights a wick which vaporizes a small amount of fuel or wax and once vaporized the fuel combined with oxygen to form a steady steady flame. The marvel of science is the chain of events flames heat melts the top of the mass of fuel and that liquefied fuel move up through the wick via capillary progress in time candle melts wick burns flame blinks out. I say all this because a whole generation is growing up not knowing what a candle is. This is occurred to me over time in any number of fine restaurants where a candlelight dinner literally was the imprimatur of a romantic night out now most restaurants that still keep the candle alive do so fraudulently with so called blameless candles batteries and a small l._e._d. Light some of the fakes or even made to look like melting wax and have a slight flicker to the light like what helped pretend it's unreal candle having doorbell that doesn't ring but instead of just opening the door. You stand quietly on the other side. Wait for the dead button. It'd be pressed. Let's say thrown fooling exactly people if you were skydiving indoors as you weren't skydiving. If you're climbing everest and virtual reality you aren't mountain climbing and if you're using a candle light with flame aren't using a candle scared restaurants afraid of fire hazard yes. There's classes the water table. Standing ready or is that health obsessing diner worried about at the occasional little tender love smoke diner. There are more carcinogens entering your bloodstream from the surface of your real state than there are rising that majestic tower of wack uh-huh bring back the candlelight dinner and save a marriage mine because my wife is so over me constantly rayleigh against blameless candles and challenging the manager to defend his fraud you abbott ambience linen tablecloths as on vinyl records bring back the wax coating show me the money he is done john for the rest of the show and it was great and we have lost done. You nailed the dismount. He's exhausted breaded cloud. It was wonderful. We will not have his attention. The rest of the show sudan's here at anytime what in four car batteries is about to fail so think ahead and get yours tested for free at advance auto parts. It won't cost a dime to make sure are you are not any twenty-five percent who could be stranded in a mall parking lot some spooky woods or even worse at your in laws. If your battery is weak advance advance as batteries that deliver more performance and starting power in extreme conditions they go ahead advance only at advance auto parts technology truth brought to you by geico truth. Teenagers can communicate entirely in emojis why birthday party pizza the slice kitten soccer ball pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. What are you talking about. Paperclips shoulder shrug high five wizard hut. What geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more donlevatar. I know when you think about the clapper was way ahead of its time when you would go like that. I'm on i mean that was way ahead of it. Yes yes is the clapper still as an industry astray doing well twenty one ninety at walmart right now still doing very well. How about that yeah the clapper stugatz. I guarantee you wanna get the sales on this thing. I think they're going to be through the roof through the roof. Say he's clapper's yeah. I'm wait for it. I'm getting clapper. Are you going to contribute anything to the segment so you just gonna make invented this clamper segment by the way it was me who brought it up. You're welcome the clapper these donlevatar show oh with stugotz on e._s._p._n. Radio dan orlovsky is gonna join us in fifteen minutes greg cody of the miami herald in with us one of his best back in my days ever. I thought all right very confident very strong. <hes> funny <hes> also funny is the way that that stugatz is adoring the way that kepco is behaving on the golf course arrived and he is a golfer it. It's it's really funny because he is taking a flame thrower to golf he is. He's not afraid to say anything. He said. After winning his first major he's is one of the five best golfers in the world and he was right in fact. I think he's probably the best golfer in the world and then bryce into shambo who is the guy who was widely criticized criticized <hes> and held up as a symbol for slow play on the p._g._a. Tour who's also you're kinda guy by the way because he brings a protracted onto the of course i mean he breaks down everything and he's going to take his time over an eight foot putt and this past week and he took two minutes and kept got got mad and he's you know had had saw social media. He's got a pointing out that the shambo is very very slow and so on the practice green the next day <hes> to shambles caddy goes up to kepco or does shambo goes up to a cap because caddies brooks at something to say. Tell them to say to my face. A minute later. Kepco arrives at his face sure love it. I'm sure or and i don't know i don't know how to do this because just the name brooks is not intimidated. The name brooks belongs in golf golf. This attitude does not belong to someone named brooks. His biceps are very intimidating chiseled. Look i think we can all get behind. Let's speed it up a little. It'll in golf but this brooks kept thinks that just because he's won a bunch of majors and he's golfer of the last couple of wait a minute to slow down there just because he's won a bunch of majors majors good enough reason to be out of you. That doesn't mean that every golfer now needs to act exactly like i do sorry brooks capture that you don't need to practice and that you walk up to every ball and just swing right away in your amazing. Sorry that doesn't work for everybody we. They've been playing golf a longtime. Sorry i'm going to read this putt granted to to the point though of speeding up golf bryson or whatever his name is the shampoo over that for two minutes and then missed the putt. There's gonna stand over two minutes and it's eight feet. You gotta make with that. I just feel this arrogance from books. Cavill we get it. You're great but you're not gonna change golf. Not everybody is going to start just gripping and ripping it all right. Some people are going to read putts. Get over yourself. I'm actually with chris on this. I love that kept good just just like hey you know what i say to my face and then he's in your face saying i do love that part of kept gaza but i also agree with chris blight pace. If you wanna play quickly go ahead what otherwise low in chris cody is arguing against happy gilmore. Why why are you arguing against the golfer who comes out there and there's just take urinating on all of golf's ruined not happy gilmore. He's not saying let's go out there and be wacky and fun he's saying let's everyone do exactly how i say. Let's be quick. No speedup hurry up happy. Gilmore wasn't like that gilmore was like hey you do what you want. I'll do it. I want brooks capsules like everyone needs to be exactly like me. Hurry up. He probably with a hockey stick. <hes> <hes> chris cody by the way does take a happy gilmore shot on the eighteenth every run we've ever played and he usually hits it pretty. Well and i'm also a quicker golfer. It's kind of annoying to because i'm the best golfer in our group usually with my dad and my uncle and i get up there. I'm kepco. I don't need forever. I get up there. I rip it and then you got greg cody walking around to putt for twelve minutes and then missing doing it. I am deliberate but i will say this though i'm down there on one knee goal like that is worth a million dollars worth dollar hackley actually if that worth more cody that dollar then the million is too long short arms cody got that right alligator baby <hes> <hes> but i feel the same way about golf speed of play as i do about baseball if there's a rule enforce it if you have. I don't know what the rule is forty five seconds to make a putt and he gets forty seconds. If you're if you're group falls out of line okay so enforce that rule that's awesome. We talk more about the personality type of arrogance in golf where it's hushed tones. It's not allowed then whether or not we should pick up the pace of golf. I'd like to talk more about the idea that he's in the face saying like say to my face and then okay fine. I'll say to your friends. The reports are that it was a very friendly conversation the way we've presented the story gave him when he saw brooks's guns. I like the visual of being like a wrestling match worth theme song hits and he slides into the green under the way they did in wrestling. That'd be fun. I think it was actually very friendly and they parted ways. You get the feeling that kept good does not want to be doing this for a living sometimes sometimes he is. I mean he gets bored. After nine holes isn't boring. There are some guys like that right the tim anderson of the white sox. He's told us that he finds baseball to to be boring. He wants to speed it up. Everybody wants. This stuff sped up when they're bored. I have enough with it though we get it. You're really good in a couple years. You're you're going to be over the hill from this dominance and then everyone is not going to be listening to every word you twenty nine tiger was gonna win a grand grand slam this year. I said that the good old days i just i just love chris. Cody saying listen kepco. We've get so you want a bunch of major. You're the best thing since tiger tiger. Come in and try to tell everyone how to play dominant and then he just kept winning. Oh you don't i wish he had we shame tiger. He did the buick commercials and then he had to hug as mom crying kept kept doing that. Glenn try and come after kept. Guy is commercials shows. Aren't you know building up the mythology want. He's won back to back u._s. Opens in back-to-back p._g._a. Championship one thing i do like that kept good does is he wears these hats. That's in the shirts that are purposely designed terribly just that he saying i'm so good looking and i'm so cool. You're going to buy this ugly hat. You're going to buy shirts. Just because i'm i'm wearing that is straight talk. It is brought to you by straight talk wireless everything for less only at walmart donlevatar greg cody of the miami. I am a herald has announced that we are the biggest and best radio show in america on tuesdays stugatz. You're welcome these talk. Show with the two guys on e._s._p._n. Radio dan lobski is very good at what he does if you have not seen him on get up or e._s._p._n. He knows more about <hes> football than most of the people you hear talking about football. Thank you for joining us dan. I want to ask you the starting point. I've been making fun of the idea that none on of us now nobody in the media. Nobody running a team. Nobody knows what the hell dak prescott is so you tell me what the hell dak prescott is in your more informed opinion than mine. Dak prescott is a good starting quarterback in the n._f._l. I mean that's what the that's what the performance has been over three years. I know that numbers kind of lens into trending onto the great track but i would ask this to everybody out there. If dak prescott was so good good. Why is he in the actual position to have been paid by now because of when he was drafted into where he's pushed drafted and his performance and carson wentz who for many reasons should not have been drafted because of the in i mean should not have been paid because of the injury why has not been paid and causing already already has that's the biggest thing because for all the people out there that want to say that as a player is on a top five quarterback act pay schedule. They're kidding themselves and i've said this before you get yourself in trouble in the n._f._l. When you play a pay a good player her great player money that's how teams get themselves in trouble ten months ago ten months ago we were sitting there as a football community going knowing what the heck is wrong deck prescott he can't play anymore. It's not a franchise quarterback. Then all of a sudden amari cooper came along. We erased all those questions end. The cowboy's better be very careful paying him great player money because he has not been a great player. How much is he worth. I mean i don't listen to what the market thing is. I i say twenty five twenty seven million dollars a year quarterback because that's what good quarterbacks get paid and then in three or four years if he becomes great. I'll l. play pay him great player money but i'm not gonna do that right now. What do you make of the numbers that suggest that he's helped more by zeke than anybody is that he turned turned the ball over more when ezekiel elliott isn't playing and that we are reaching a point here if he has to play games without ezekiel elliott where he's gonna cost himself itself money. Oh big time you know like zeke's hall of fame caliber type running back right and so when you add that to a quarterback that's like giving giving him both hands in a fistfight. If you take zeke away zack's yuck we'll have to go get into a fistfight with one hand tied behind his back and that's when you get your bucket and so if i'm jack i'm sitting here as intrigued with this holdout from zeke's as jerry jones's 'cause is the reality is no themselves in quarterbacks more than anybody knows itself. They truly know what they're capable of and deck is spar deck. Act knows zeke's not their everybody has a great advantage against him and so <hes> i as i said this to myself the other day. It's super interesting on both different angles if i'm deck. I'm sitting there going man. Seek better get back because i know that i'm not nearly the player i am without oh him and at the same time i bet you decade has thought about holding out himself because imagine if jack walked into jerry jones's office tomorrow and said you know what i'm holding out right now to kill you. Pay me 'cause then jerry. Jones has got a real problem on a chance dan orlovsky with us on e._s._p._n. Radio dan i. I wanted to ask you a personal question because the answer will interest me <hes> you had a weird career there were there were three separate times in your career that you went to entire seasons in a row without throwing a pass there our players in the league right now older than you ryan fitzpatrick comes to mind if team x comes to you right now and says i wanna pay you big money to carry a clipboard for us. What do you say no <hes>. I play i play like free sag with my kids right now and i can barely get through like four minutes of it without something hurting or falling over and growing ankle looking like an absolute boil actually had a somewhat out of a a an interest reach out from a team a couple of days ago to gauge my interest in coming back and i just said no <hes> trust. It's better for me. It's better for the team. <hes> i'm six foot five and two hundred pounds right now so call in their call jerry i can't. I can't share that with you guys. <hes> i will. I will say this i have i have somewhat of a history with them. All right guys. I want you at the very end of this to have one guest lobski even though he hasn't agreed to this will allow us one guests at the end of this segment and we will have guests that you will give it and we will see what his reaction it to the gas baker mayfield. Though can you explain to us what the evolution is going to look like. What do you think based on. What you've seen. Baker mayfield that he's going to end up. Be it yeah baker. Baker mayfield's about to become one of the great quarterbacks in the n._f._l. Not one of the great young ones who run like up and coming promising ones but but one of the great ones he's gonna you know away on the field plane. Wise will start to take the throne not thrown but the baton from drew brees <music>. I've said this baker probably is the most quickly processing quarterback that we've had come into the n._f._l. As a young oh kids since drew brees and like listen. I love baker. I know he talks about crashing. He rubs people the wrong way so we get caught up in that and maybe potentially that's rightfully so but we've undervalued or underestimating how smart he is and how how much you understand football and right now what what not let like like listen baker mayfield takes his team to the a._f._c. championship game he becomes one of the prominent figures i am north american sports he become like he becomes that recognizable and powerful and impactful because he's taking a a deep deeply rich in historic football town that has been so bad and putting it in the pinnacle of of america's favorite sport and and <hes> he he just has a lot of power andrew now and i expect him to absolutely match the height. Andrew luck is interesting to me dan because he's a guy who can win the m._v._p. B.'s also a guy that could disappear for season. Are you concerned right now with what you're hearing about andrew luck yeah you know yes. I was a little bit like i don't know hello to last year and how they handle that injury and then dr jim rousse kinda spoke to today and mentioned that it's a bone thing and makes me feel a a little bit better because not a commission for like his march or april and i had no idea what he's talking about and so makes me think like he might have taught stress fracture that they're just making sure <hes> that he's being extra cautious about it. If there's one guy that they should be extra cautious about in with its andrew luck. I don't have any concerns as i sit here. Today asked me ten days. I might say something totally different so when they called you and they ask if you wanted to be in a platoon in kind of situation in case. It didn't work out for andrew. Would they tell you they did not call. I arm that <hes> that they did not call. It wasn't our guests. Our guests just a question clearly not our semantics yes dan. Dan is what we saw from patrick mahomes last season even remotely sustainable or do you expect a huge drop off. How do you see him based in what was seen oh. He's absolutely going to repeat last year and get close to you know like if he has forty five or fifty two. It's going to be the same year like anybody that wants to talk to me about refreshing potch mahomes. I want them to go. Watch the i throw from the preseason game the other night and in on blue and then go get themselves a doctor to clear their minds because like the throw is so ridiculous thinking that they have basically everybody back on their keys except kareem hunt which means they'll probably throw the ball a little bit more. They got them a call. Hardman kids and andy reid reid is now had a full season to just dial up like i know he said he. He loves those chili relleno. He also loves like just finding really good players throwing the bowl in weird situations <hes> i this kid's ridiculous like he's he's like the modern day dan marino but more athletic and in an era <hes> wear suits and even more so mahomes is gonna flirt with peyton fifty five. I just don't see him not flirting with that fifty five number. Dan are lobski you with us on e._s._p._n. Radio time for our guests from the group there. Let's see what we've got in the shipping container. I'm going with detroit radio. Silence guys radio silent <hes> yeah nice word person that's right the trick him with the one was denial but one was radio silence no comment way to go chris cody. We ensnared. Dan are lobski in our trap. Go ahead and put it on the scrolled ski no comments <hes> the lions job that has to challenge matthew stafford because he's falling apart when he plays with his kids who who who thought at the safety dan song no one's claiming no one's claiming it. Everyone is scared heard radio solid. I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna find out down. Thank you. Dan we appreciate donlevatar. Uh-huh he has the golfing greatest football team retake the ballroom gold to go like no one's ever seen wherein the we're <music> own the ground where all was in control and when you say miami you're talking super bowl stugatz where the miami ame dolphins everybody miami dolphins miami no of the miami dolphins dolphins good. I saw i was feeling i'm joy. You're wrong lyrics. Find these lebatardshow with stugatz on e._s._p._n. Radio we one of those years for the browns. This man is going to be one hundred years. I'm going to be interesting. Jason witten was he trolling antonio brown yesterday by wearing like a beekeeper's mask over his helmet like what was he doing. What was he wearing wearing some sort of netting over his helmet. Was that strictly a troll job on antonio brown like i will be able antonio to catch these six-yard button hooks well into hospice trailing dialysis machine. I will do it blindfold. If so where was that jason witten a year ago and he's working for that would have been great. Why weren't you that charismatic for us. What was he wearing chris. What was that on the top of his head. It was some sort of you said it right. It looked like a fishing net and i don't know if he was trolling them but i want him to be mike. Why do you want to be a salmon. I i thought you'd never ask oh yeah me too. Are you familiar with the salmon canon or if you're miami the salman callan oh this is amazing all right so there's this new transport somewhere out and salmon country in which there helping these native salmon go over a dam in a matter of seconds not the days. It's a treacherous journey for these salmon in parts endangered so they put him in this jet powered tube that has water in it and it stretches over the course of several acres and it looks like the most fun ride anybody or fish could ever be on it it it goes uphill goes downhill their heart banks and then at the very end it splashes down into where it's supposed to be at a force not unlike that of space shuttle. It's incredible. They don't understand any of it and are terrified horrifying. They're being taken from their home thrown in this little ziplock bag thing that just shoots them through. It's like right up eight has to be traumatic. I wonder if we were to sit down and interview one of these sam afterwards what their experience was like. Traumatizing salmon is what we're doing yeah there and if any of these salmon are claustrophobic this is gonna this tube of death is going to be very rattle. A waterslide at a theme park is fun for everybody eighty but if you're just thrown into one without being corralled so beforehand difficult run into the fire in the middle of all that i saw tim salmon the former major leaguer bigger audited i got my this does look fun to salmon cannon. I mean it looks. It looks like something you see at action in park bangladesh upside down to for some reason. How does that continue to happen. Look at how proud he is his cruddy tim's salmon looking aww how it's not any good. It's from the kornheiser arsenal of us. You will make it someone's last name of tony kaye komo because he hasn't been listening anything over the last forty minutes since he did his back in my day i heard you guys talking about peyton manning and the family vacation of the manning's that you imagine to be in a station wagon and of course greg cody wanted to talk about his own vacation from within that and you humor him by asking him all sorts of follow up questions that i don't want talked about on this show because he's dying artistic him to talk about his damn stupid southwest vacation well. That's the thing that we kind of got into the family vacation and then we veered off and we started talking about sports families. You'd wanna go on vacation with and i think that we did a great disservice to greg cody because i've found the conversation very interesting and you didn't give them enough time to tell it so. I'd like to find out why your family's the goats. Here's the reason reason you're never know he's done. 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Hour 1: Don't tell me what to say

Izzy and Spain

34:28 min | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Don't tell me what to say

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast. I thought I was sure I thought I was sure certain things were absolutely inevitable. One of those things is Golden State winning the NBA championship this year. We were sure that was going to happen. But we are watching some drama at this point. No matter how it ends up. I'm at least glad we're getting something we can gossip about right now. And it's not ending with the warriors every single day. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm Jan lady. Sarah Spain Jason Fitz, and it's like the daily over analysis of what it means. And what it all what's going to happen next? But let's face it. A rockets team that has been rocky at best winning last night and just thumped the warriors one oh seven eighty six in a blowout loss, Sarah. And that that in and of itself was eyebrow raising. We'll get to the questions that came afterwards in a second. But Sarah, watching the rockets come out at team that has not played particularly well a team that has not been able to get their Mojo, and then have them come out and. Absolutely dominate. Golden State was shocking to me. Yeah. I mean, this is sort of one of those situations where you expect one of two things to happen. And it's either going to be exactly what we saw which is all of the turmoil all of the emotional stress and distress going on between these teammates, plus the absence of Steph curry results in a total poop on the court, which is what we saw or the opposite. They coast through yet again. And then we all come in the next day and talk about how this team is impenetrable. What happened was the first? And I think Steve Kerr's commentary afterwards about how they're not just physically but spiritually broken reveals that he understands that this goes a little deeper than maybe some other little tips that we've seen what the warriors in the past will the number of times, I feel like they could just laugh it off there. Just be some moment where you see a laugh and all of the tension breaks and everybody can just say, okay, they're going to be just fine. I keep waiting for that moment. And it didn't happen after the game. Katie was asked about his relationship with mon-, no laughing here. This is what he said though, ask me about that. That's it. Don't ask me about that. Again. I mean that is a you wanna talk about there are ways to defuse arguments. Like any married person knows that there's certain ways that they're certain things you just don't say. Like, there's certain times, it you say, you know, what let's just end this argument win or lose doesn't matter anymore. Let's just end it. There's a moment here for K D, whereas a professional athlete in a locker room. He understands how to end the discussion and coming out and even offering a fake smile and all water under the bridge. I love that guy would end the discussion telling reporters to not ask the question, again, why that is not going to end anything there. Yeah. So let's hear that one more time. Though, ask me about that. Right. Okay. Here's the thing. Like, you said he could easily squash. This. In fact, there were reports and photos of him and Draymond walking together having a civilized conversation presumably trying to mend fences. So he knows very well as just dream on. And everyone else on that team that if you don't wanna keep getting asked about it. And if your intent is to move along, and it's a long season ahead of you, try to fix things as best you can or even lie about fixing things. So that everybody else stops talking about it. Then all you do they're saying, listen, you know, it was tough day. But we we are going to move forward and things are good now. Right. Even if you're lying instead by saying what he did not only are you encouraging us to talk about it more. But your courage in us to ask about it more. And I know there's a lot of anti journalist sentiment in the world today. Not just in sports. But I reflect back to what I always said about marshawn Lynch, which is you can like the guy all you want. You can even agree that it stinks to have to. The median that the media knowing, but if you don't want to talk to media, then you can play basketball in your backyard, and if you want to be in the NBA, and you wanna make millions of dollars that's part of the job. And I think it's absolutely absurd for Kevin Durant to try to tell people not to ask about the biggest story in the NBA right now it's Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz, and look we we can we can walk in the doors to church, but I'm gonna let Stephen A from. I take today actually take everybody to church there. 'cause Mon man. My man was full on preaching about Durant's demands. Check it out does a moments like this where I really really miss being a reporter the Jewish the set up. The you tell me do my much you tell me not understand, you dot com in can understand juice, San no comment. I'm going to say you saying you're not talking about that. No, more you go look report in a face and tell him don't ask to get like you do stop. Then he did ask you. This is like that where I I really really really miss being that guy at debt reported imagine. If you go to the Daime to ask you outta shut everybody down asked to save question over and old l like, what do you do it by ask you what you're talking about? You don't have to answer. But you tell me what to ask what not to ask? So in other words, you wanna bench and you upset because dre Maga you go hard at Drake mall, but you go go hall at a reporter. I mean, I'm telling you, I think an entire choir needs to come in. When he starts going like that. And just start singing in the background in robes. Steven steven. For all of that. There's but I I don't disagree with anything. Stephen ages said there there are so many ways that Katy can handle this. And it's just part of the pattern of Katie where I don't know if he just doesn't care about it. He doesn't wanna think about it. But in these moments of how to handle it all he has to do if they come out together. And they they're singing kun-bae on. They do one bro hug. Everybody's gonna stop talking about it. But when you've got to your point earlier Steve Kerr after the game saying they seem not only mentally physically broken but spiritually broken. And then you've got D coming out and saying don't ask me about that anymore. That's not going to stop the discussion. It only fuels it. And they're smart enough to know that. So why continue to either handle it so poorly or continue to flame the fire? Yeah. I completely agree with you. And I completely agree with Steven A. And oftentimes we're kind of joking about how Stephen as to fired up about something for his own good. The most famous of which of course, is this is not the United States toward. Rela. But in this case, I agree with him. It's an absurd thing for Kevin Durant to say, and I was hoping and wishing that we can rewind time and send Stephen in there. Because part of the issue is if you are worried about access and being able to ask these guys questions the next day without them being mad, or if you're just intimidated by a guy like Kevin Durant. And you don't feel like you can push back on that. I assure you, especially given the actual threats. That's Tiffany has lobbed over the microphone to Kevin Durant in the past for not respecting him and his sources that he would walk in there. And he would double down on the question. If you got a response like that. And sometimes that's what's needed in situations. Like this. I wish we had Stephen in there to like push that the narrative there because even if it's an awkward situation. Even if you're sick of hearing about it you caused it you and dream on together caused it, and it's not going away until people are are fully satisfied that you fix the problem. You're just making it worse here. It's so fresh too. I mean, that's that's such a key to what we're looking at here with Golden State. We haven't seen this sort of drama in public for everybody to see witness. We haven't been a part of it. And it's still going on. We're not asking Katie about his relationship which way a year and a half later where the whole room can roll their eyes and say my God, let it go. We're asking K D about these things when it makes sense because when coach Steve Kerr says things like you're about to hear. That's when we asked listen to what Kerr said after the game banged up a little bit physically. And right now, we're banged him. Spiritually I mean, that's there's no getting around that. So we've got to fill up our Cup and get our get our spirit back at our energy back, and we're going to none of that stops the conversation. So I hope people keep asking all the time ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance this year. We celebrate six years and over six hundred cars given to veterans giving thanks by providing independence for those who protect it. Learn more at keys to progress dot com. Straight ahead did a Packers lost last night. But an end to their season, and possibly an end of the tenure of Mike McCarthy, we ask ESPN's Dan Orlovsky next on Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. And now I thought from Geico motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to purchase the gestation egg salad. Eat the guest ocean exuded. And regret the Gus station. Excellent. As you presented numbers to the board. Insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen exellent minutes. Does what your motorcycle insurance to gyco? Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. Let's head to the shell Pennzoil performance line for ESPN's, Dan Orlovsky twelve year NFL vet you can follow him on Twitter at Dan Orlovsky seven, Dan, thanks for some time tonight. We appreciate it. The big matchup in the NFL over the weekend is obviously the Rams in chiefs. When you look at that. And you look at those offenses who do you think comes out ahead at the end? Oh, man. Much as I am a fan of the Rams Ran's, Sean McVay and L A imagine that that she who are clicking offense more than anyone we've seen since really the Rams of the old days in the greatest show on turf figure out a way to win the game. You know, part of is because I believe that there's a difference in their defense when Justin Houston e Ford or on the field together when I know that defense has gotten maligned a lot this year and a lot of it is due to their play. But when Justin Houston and d Ford or both playing defensive end together that defense defense. It's just a different different defense that secondary's just a little bit better. Those linebackers don't have to run as much. Figured that. They find ways to make some plays. I also believe that Cooper Cup being out for the Rams. I don't think it's going to be this crippling thing for them. But it's gonna take them some time to figure out who's going to replace Cooper Cup. Is it going to be Josh Reynolds another receiver? Are they going to go in twelve personnel? More and use both they're tied in to replace him. But it's got to take some time. I would imagine. So. It'd be a great game. Hopefully, I intimidate the chiefs finding a way to attack Marcus Peters a little bit and finding a way to score more points. Let's switch over to a different game this weekend the bears taking on the Vikings. I like to call it professor Orlovsky when you take us to the tape on Twitter, and I've been enjoying you kind of documenting Mitchell Trubisky progress there are some fair questions on the other side from those who say the bears haven't really faced any good teams. How much do you think is performance against the Vikings will tell us how he really is. And also how this team really is. Compared to other contenders will say this Trubisky goes out and on Sunday night doesn't light it up and maybe struggles here, and there it's not like I'm gonna sit there and go this kid is a bust. So now on the contrary music great defense. Minnesota's a great defense Everson Griffen. Being fact for them is a big deal if he goes out and plays the way he's played through this whole season and has another really big performance. Then then the conversations a little different for me because he's played really. Well. He's played pretty good against him solid defenses. But he hasn't played a defense like this on the state like this. And so if he goes out with his really definitive with the ball confident where he's throwing it protects. It makes the place with his feet that he has. Now, we're getting into a conversation of. Well, maybe maybe no longer even know lot. It's no longer man bitch Bisky is not going to be that good. Now, we've taken it to the next level of going. Whoa. That bears might have something really really. We got to remember this kid's only started like twenty five games since high school twenty five games, you know? So if he can go out and perform on that stage against that defense, then then everyone starting to sing praises of Ryan pace, even more. He he's on pace for four thousand ninety six yards. Thirty four touchdowns and twelve picks. Those totals would break Eric Kramer's record for the fares set in ninety five. So he is on route to shatter some of the bears passing records which isn't saying much because it's the bears. But it saying something then quickly. I wanted to ask it's funny because you were posting about Mitchell Trubisky and people were reacting positively and then saved Rosenfeld slides in with the he's not that good, Sarah. So I wonder can we get a beef going between you guys I was trying to start one. And neither of you guys took the bait. We're both. We're both. We both been ridiculed enough on. So. Moment. I saw which they said, I would I would just that all down. Listen, I loved it. They argue I love to try to I I'm smarter than people even though more often than not I'm not. But with Mitchell Trubisky, I feel really confident that no one's going to go. Find stuff on tape. That you go. There's consistent bad play there. So sage wants action on down. I love it own words ESPN's Dan Orlovsky joining us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. You can follow him on Twitter at Dan Orlovsky, seven, by the way. You can also check them out calling UAB at Texas AM on Saturday seven pm eastern on ESPN two. So Dan, one of the biggest talking points today is obviously about Mike McCarthy and what his job security status should be for Green Bay. What? Specifically have you seen when you watch Green Bay that you've seen from coach McCarthy that indicates to you whether or not he should or shouldn't be retained as the coach. Paint drying. That's how fun watching their offenses like thing, and I played against McCarthy Rogers fifteen or something times, and what has happened with Mike McCarthy is he has become so reliant on the greatness of Aaron Rodgers that he hasn't had to keep up with the time. He hasn't had to find ways to get creative and critical situations on third downs in the red zone. He hasn't had to because he's always had superman to fall back on. He's always had one of the great quarterback ever to kind of mask, the lack of creativity and a catches up to you when they may not have the weapons that they have had in the past on the outside and Rogers is a little bit banged up with his knee. And so you watch their offense, and you go dude what like eventually, we've gotta get more creative than double slant. Like, this isn't ninety three anymore. And so, you know. It's hard to struggle as a coach. It's hard to struggle with a not only a franchise quarterback. But an all time great. I mean, that's hard to not be a consistently pretty darn good football team. And so, you know, unfortunately, Mike McCarthy had a good run in Green Bay. Unfortunately for him. You know, there's been some new pieces taken away and added to that front office in different roles. Listen this is Roger fourteenth year. It's just fourteenth here. He doesn't have fourteen more. I know Tom Brady is defined physics in father time issue. And so you're you're looking at it you go. Okay. Do we have another four or five years? We can get out of Aaron Rodgers at a really high level. Do we think that the marriage of him a McCarthy is going to get us another Super Bowl because if you plays his whole career only gets one you go wait what? And so you've gotta go out and find a coach that is going to marry with where Rogers is in his career, and he's not here. Ahrends not thirty one anymore. He still it incredibly high level, but he's not the same magician that he used to be where coaches. Oh, yeah. We're really good. No. You're not the quarterback is. And so I got to imagine that they've got to look at it and go who's really the guy that can capture the next four or five years of Aaron Rodgers greatness and get us another Super Bowl. And I and it's not Mike McCarthy. Nothing over the past couple of years. It says it's Mike McCarthy talking to ESPN's Dan Orlovsky twelve year NFL that that's an interesting angle because I think people are acknowledging that last night for sure there were moments when Aaron Rodgers was not other worldly, he still had some of those plays in some of those throws. But I guess is your point that McCarthy probably has never been that good. But Aaron Rodgers was good enough to mask it. And now as he gets into the later years of his career and needs more support in the form of teammates and also good play calling. They're gonna need to get someone. Who's actually a really good coach and not just someone who's passable? Yeah. I mean, listen, no one's going to sit here and marvel that what Tom Brady has done over the back five or six years of his career. I mean marvel at it makes no sense to my brain. I'm also very aware that he still has Josh mcdaniels. That's a big part of it. I mean, Josh mcdaniels just still fantastic with play design moving people around taking maybe a guess if we want to qualify them as a lesser talent. But also getting them in situations where they could be successful a hoagie and making HOGAN it be in positions where he can use his strength McCarthy's not doing that for Aaron Rodgers. And so Rodgers needs a guy that still going to allow him to play the way he plays. But also help him a little bit. I mean, not not a hair Sunday at one I need you to carry us for the next three hours like fourteen years, you know. And so you gotta I say if you're a coach right now, and you're not. Up to date in modern offensive creativity. And utilizing all of the field in matchups and multiplicity in that movement. You're holding your players back and just because you have Aaron Rodgers doesn't mean that's not the case. Follow him on Twitter at dinner Lobski seven, remember checkout. UAB at Texas A M, Saturday, seven pm eastern on ESPN two to here. Dan on the call, Dan as always, my friend. Thanks for the time. We appreciate you. I appreciate you guys have a great night. Tune in this Sunday for football double header as the titans. Visit the colts and the saints Sosa eagles presented by vivid seats, pre-game begins at noon eastern on most ESPN radio stations. Great stuff from Dan straight ahead. Is it the coach or the quarterback? How do we know when a coach is actually great neck Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Spain and Fitz it's easy to wanna blame somebody whenever expectations aren't met. The question is how do you decide whether it's the coach with their coaches good or not when they have a great quarterback or a superstar player? It makes them Mike McCarthy conversation more interesting and less about just what we expect immoral about. Do we hold him to the same expectations? We hold any other coaches pain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz and Sarah. When you look at Mike McCarthy that coach and you look at his overall win percentage, for example. It's incredible. When you look at the Packers, and the fact that they've gone to the playoffs. What nine of his eleven years? This'll be the first time if they don't make the playoffs that he goes back to back years without a playoff berth. He's only a couple years removed from a division championship. We you see all of these things, and it's easy to look at this and say, okay, Mike McCarthy, obviously knows what he's doing, but he's not held to the same standard. Because when you have Aaron Rodgers is a coach we just heard Dan Orlovsky say he only won one Super Bowl with them. I mean, that's the changing dynamic when you're you're talking about a defining generational player with the coach. And it's why coaches are held to different standards when they have that guy. And of course, we see it all the time in New England. Right. We always say and we've actually had this conversation specifically about Aaron Rodgers. When those two were about to face off. We said how would history of look different if somehow it had been Aaron Rodgers and Bella chick in New England and Tom Brady and McCarthy or anybody else in Green Bay, and we don't know for sure right? There's also a very specific relationship between Brady and Bella chick that may not have functioned as well with Rogers there. But Brady himself said if if Aaron Rodgers was here with my coach, and my defensive strategically and everything else, and I just stole strategic Riano, then we'll he would have had more yards than me more touchdowns more Super Bowls. He's more talented than I am which is kind of a shot at Green Bay. Of course and Mike McCarthy, we can't rewrite history and figure that out. But what we can do is say that usually when you have a transcendent player someone like Aaron Rodgers, and we just talked to Dan Roloff ski about that. That can get you very far. Even if you are not bringing the play calling the personnel decisions and everything else that goes into coach. Coaching that you need Willie. And that might be what we're seeing with McCarthy in. It's not just McCarthy as much as he's a part of the conversation. But this is something we do with coaches in all sports, frankly, when they have that guy, you know, I mean realistically, there are some that wanna make the claim that Aaron Rodgers is the most talented quarterback of all time. And when you have that when you start to say that statement, then you immediately have to sort of side, I and flip your head like it's in these drama over the other coach and say, well, did you get enough out of that guy? And that sort of it goes back even for the bulls people that want to say, well, Phil Jackson, always had great players around him and air bolster with the heat and the different expectations. He had the first couple of years when he had LeBron and company with him. And you look at these when you have that guy as a player or girl is a player when you have that transcendent once in a lifetime talent, suddenly we we think that you should be able to do all things all the time or Orlovsky mentioned how boring the offense have gotten. But he also mentioned in the same. In the same breath. You know, maybe he doesn't have the same weapons on the outside. So how do we even know when you're looking at these guys? What's good what's bad, and what should be there held to such a different standard because of the greatness around them? Yeah. I think there's been a lot of conversation over the last couple of years about the situation in Green Bay as well right about the actual talent and personnel of the team. And how that's been a let down when we look at what we would want from Aaron Rodgers career, but Mike McCarthy has been a part of that conversation routinely as well. And you mentioned Roloff ski talking about the offense. Listen to what Louis Riddick had to say about about the Packers offense. I just don't think offensively. There's a lot of creativity with this offense. I was I was sitting there typing some notes while I was watching this game preparing for today for to be on TV. And I'm sitting there going, you know, what everything with the Packers office to me always predicated and look so dependent upon Aaron doing something that just looks like backyard football, nothing really seems to happen by design or by schedule or within rhythm in this offense. And I think that is something that I think that management is going to take a hard look at because there's too much smoke surrounding this team. And this is going to come out slightly hot take. And I don't I hope that's it's received that something that Lewis said there's not to me about how it always looks like backyard football Aaron Rodgers makes plays that so many other people can't. But part of the reason he's in a position to prove to us that he can be throwing on the run Cross's body all the way to the end zone from the fifty yard line is because he's constantly put in a position where he has to freestyle, and that's in part because they're play calling in their offense is unimaginative because he finds himself on the run, and he makes something out of slop that's helped build the sort of mystique and the mythology of Aaron Rodgers. But it's in part because he's making up for for for for shortcomings in his coaching. But at the time when when you think about the event stats on it, and you look true media that we have the breaks down all of the stats at the highest level. I can find. Yards per game. This year's is an easy one. The Packers are seventh yards per game yards per play their eighth when you look at their passing yards per game. They're six when you look at their rushing yards per rush attempt their third. So when you actually look at the numbers while it may not look creative. That's the same thing. He said those guys know forget more football than I'll ever know. And I understand it doesn't look creative. And it may not look as fun. But the the results still see if I was just reading that on paper. I wouldn't be looking at it thinking. Well, there's a fail of a coaching need to change the conversation changes though because of Aaron Rodgers right? Yeah. It does because the expectations are so high. And I think I think you said it, right? There are plenty of good players who underperformer underachieve, and we'll talk about it. But I don't think we'll clamor as much for a change at the coaching or the GM position or talk as much about wasted opportunities. But them Aaron Rodgers is so transcendent. And as you said, many believe him to be the most talented quarterback of all time that if he does retire and we've watched them him win one Super Bowl, and we've watched them have seasons like this. When where they're sub five hundred while simultaneously being able to point to specific place, even though that one play might not have been the game when you punt on fourth and two with only four twenty left and you've got Aaron Rodgers, and you don't believe in Aaron Rodgers and your offense getting you to yards. You would rather try to get a stop. When your defense has been pounded all day. You could point to those and say this is part of the reason we're so disappointed. Yeah. Absolutely. We know every coach dreams of having a quarterback. I just wonder if when you get an amazing quarterback if you turn around, and you say, I now now the pressure's really on like, it's just I agree except for what dinner Lobski said, which is to say that maybe my McCarthy's not even in this league or has this job for as long as he's had if not for the greatness of his quarterback, it's possible. And I say it's possible because as much as we. Watch these games. We are not in meetings. We don't know exactly what the play calling is. We don't know. Exactly. When the guys running the right route or efficiently doing the job that they're supposed to. So how much of it is McCarthy how much of it is a combination that being said, this is a guy who probably has skated for a lot longer than he went on any other team because of Aaron Rodgers so yeah, the pressures high, but so is the payoff if he's constantly saving your, but especially in a results oriented business. It's always going to be about the results. We've just changed the expectation of results when you have a once in a lifetime player, we're brought to you by theraworx relief to to experience relief from muscle cramps in your legs and feet use their works relief fast acting foam get theraworx relief today in the pain relief file at your local pharmacy or at theraworxrelief dot com. Straight ahead. You gotta get with the times you're gonna get left behind will tell you about it next. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz sarahspain Jason Fitz. PM radio is presented by progressive insurance. Your thoughts. Welcome on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at Spain. And fits that sarahspain. That's. Fits, sarah. Not a lot of controversy. But we've laughed a little bit over the last couple of days when we've had the opportunity to work together about a Jake degrom winning these young award. And let's remember that his ERA spectacular his record not so much, and we it's been sort of a running joke between a lot of people you, and I have found it, humorous and laughed about it. Not everybody, though, let's say that some people got a little bit heated about it. It's not a laughing matter folks, it's not on ESPN crime taking place, and that is, you know, leave it this to God's to sort of create. After the other day. I said he was the one guy who I was sure I could kick his butt on all of ESPN radio. I'm double thinking. I'm scared. I'm suddenly taken them back because when you can when you can get the wrath of Michael wilbon coming at you. Then you're too tough for me. So Stu gods being Stu gods? Got everybody a little worked up about what really matters. But Michael wilbon on PTI clapback about what you should expect from a young award. When you gotta here. Here's what he said. You know, Tony, I'm not with these people. I don't respect their judgement actually because I don't value what they value. I value winning the damn game more than the ERA, and therefore it is analytical hijacking. These people have hijacked baseball. They want to impose their will. Until you. What's important? I don't share most of them. Maybe none of their values, and it's absurd. I want winners. I want people want to win. All right. The end is you know, is not wilpon. But that's basically what it sounded like to me. And I respect Michael wilbon so much. He's my guy in my city. But I'm fascinated by anyone who still clinging to the idea of wins as the dominant statistic in deciding the greatness of a pitcher. How can you argue at any goes on later they were playing some of the some of the clips on the lebatardshow later on in PTI of him arguing with Frank solo that if only allowing run one run isn't good enough. And sometimes you just gotta allow none. And he was saying it seriously it sounded like satire it sounded like the guy who's out of touch with current statistics. It it sounded to me like hawk Harrelson who calls the White Sox games recently retired. But when asked about sabermetrics in advanced physics a couple years ago offered up his own statistics that he claims is the only one that matters. Here's what how Carrollton said this is a kid's game. It always has been and always will be. And it's a game of that TWIT w a will to win. TWIT w that's what it sounds like to me when you look at the play of degrom the ER a the actual work that he did and not the rest of the team around him. Because newsflash baseball is not a one man game. This isn't tennis. This is a whole team around him. That's letting him down on a consistent basis to the point that it became a running joke for the entirety of the season. And you're arguing that because he didn't get enough wins because the T W W didn't match up. It's fascinating to me. It reminds me a little of what I've said for a long time about quarterbacks and how we look back, and we wanna make every quarterbacks tenure about whether or not they want a Super Bowl or how many how many championships they won in a game where there's fifty three people on an active roster. I don't I don't I don't understand why that impetus is put there specifically for a player. A what we want from the world is to develop and get better. And statistics are supposed to be something that as we learn more, they can deep dive more. So that they can give us a better understanding of what's actually going on. I want my style. Disticts to become so complicated that as I get older, and as we get smarter as a society, we can look at it and say, hey, you know, what it's not just about this. It's also about that. That's exactly what is happening in baseball. So I think this is a total positive when we're not just looking at wins and losses, and suddenly we're looking at the the what created the winner the loss, and what each individual person did to be a part of that that's smarter than me. Absolutely. And that's what stood out to me. Is it feels like it's been many years now that we've been able to stay accurately and with certainty, and that everyone has agreed that wins and losses are not the metric by which you should be judging a pitcher why then to someone like will bond cling to that. It makes me think of Mike francesa saying I'm never going to be on Twitter. People don't need to know what I'm eating for lunch. And then eventually announcing his first tweet via like, dramatic countdown right work. When my dad was not really big on Email didn't really have to use. It had everyone in his office using it around him. And then I went to college, and he was like I need to. Learn how to Email you because I want to talk, right? Like these people who are like I'm never going to get into that. And then you're like, but I have to now it's me with e books right now, I'm clinging to turning the pages of a book. I don't care if it's heavy. I don't care if it's unrealistic 'cause you're done with it. And you carry it around, you know, of another one right at your disposal. I don't wanna I don't wanna read a book on a kindle. I just don't. So I'm clinging to my old hard copy books. I I like you've got that old fashioned piece. I took me long time to switch over onto things that I will admit that. I was like the whole YouTube thing, I'm still too old man for that. When you walk up to me and say have you seen on YouTube just stop the sentence because the answers theories like did you see this video? No, the answers just always know on that. So I'm still old man on that. Like, even on some of the streaming where people like, oh, you haven't seen these fifteen shows on Netflix on my now, I do I use my laptop to go to Netflix. I'll minute like I'm I'm behind on all of the with that. I'm gonna class. I've jumped ahead to the Hulu the Netflix. Whatever I watch it on my TV. Bright. And I watch it on my computer because oftentimes for whatever reason I keep getting in hotel rooms where the TV doesn't work. I have the worst ever it's so I ended up spending my time in hotels watching one of those things on my computer. Instead, it's one step at a time. I am now a fanatic of Hulu. So like now, I just have to separate from Hulu lets me watch live regular TV. So it's like feels normal. I haven't gotten to Netflix leathers know, what you guys were rejected to change on. I think we all have this like we can all admit that. We've been like get off my lawn guy tweet us at Spain. And fits let us know what you've been sort of resistant for change on by the way. If all you care about is winners. I love this stat. Thanks to our incredible ESPN, stats and info people there have been fourteen pitchers in major league baseball since two thousand that have one double digit games within ERA of six or higher. So if all you care about his wins. I guess those are the fourteen guys you want, Sarah. Just a team with that will bond tell. Spain and fits with what you're get off my lawn guy on this should be interesting. Straight ahead could have third of the NFL be looking for new head coaches in the off season. We'll get one of the most abated teams next on Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio and on the ESPN app. Thanks for listening to the Spain and Fitz podcast listened to the show six to nine PM eastern on ESPN radio and subscribe to the podcast on the ESPN app.

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REShow: Dan Orlovsky. Hour 2 (11-30-20)

"This podcast is brought to you by microsoft teams. When there's more ways to be together there are more ways to be a team. Is the rich eisen. Show justin herbert here on the rich eisen show from the rich eisen show studio in los angeles to. What do you attribute your success. So far. how about that connection get used to it. Herbert to cheat and alan great coaching staff. That has helped me. I think we've done a great job. Working footwork timing earlier on the show host of teacups pro football. Talk mike gloria coming. Espn nfl analyst. Dinner ski plus from this. Cvs comedy bob. Hard savage show actor. Billy gardell and now is our number to the rich. Eisen show is on the air here. Top of hour number two. we've got Already a conversation with mike florio pro. Football talk in the books. Dan orlovsky is going to be joining us from. Espn to give his two cents in what we saw last night from mitchell trubisky in yesterday afternoon late afternoon from tom brady to quarterbacks that are coming off of losing sundays to say the least matt nagy just delivering quite a Soliloquy today in his presser talking about his group needing more personal pride and having some freaking respect self respect. I mean my gosh talk about you know delivering messages through the media and what that would actually mean so. We'll get that those sound bites prepared. Dan orlovsky going to be joining. Also talk about The lions firing near coach and matt patricia. And i know he has been a again. We came up with the phrase. Just the last hour standing for jim call as i did on twitter. And got hosed. I mean just lit up the came at you. Know who that's That's not that's definitely not a an understatement. Tj jefferson so He'll be joining us on that front before we do though. couple Items lost in our first hour conversation. Cleveland browns are and three. Let's just keep talking about the. Let's just keep talking about. It would prefer that probably right. Let's just keep talking about crazy. What was jarvis. Landry stat line. Yesterday juice was squeezed. Man and in the state of florida. Nick chubb doing his thing. That's it and baker mayfield. I don't think he threw an interception yesterday. Ditty you wanna look that one up. I don't think he did. And if he didn't that's That's four straight games in his career without first time for straight games in his career without an interception jarvis. Landry eight for one hundred forty three yards. What mayfield him in that game and that box score. I mean he was terrific. Cleveland browns rating free baker mayfield. Nine thousand nine hundred thousand nine two touchdowns zero interception sixteen passer and you're dressed again is As cam newton coming off a victory cam newton l. less than one hundred yards passing less than ten completions w. o. That's your your take on on is what you're wearing is that sarah's no actually went to a department store in los angeles yesterday you bought us out a ten dollar blanket and cut a hole in the neck is the closest i could come to that i can imagine. Camp did not go to a blanket store. Well that does look like cutting a rug from phrase the best i can do. I'm with brockman. I'm with chris. Brockman cutting a rug. Today you tj. And then before we get the dan. How about. Those dallas cowboys. We could skip this non-sustainable this is definitely can could just cowboy. It's like it never happened. I mean that was dreadful. That was truly an unacceptable thanksgiving performance. There's just i know hosts in those like this format. Talk about embarrassment disaster unacceptable. What some of the other words that we've heard shameful shameful. Right shame disgraceful. That's the one eight. come on. Beachfront property thanksgiving coming off of that win. In minnesota here comes washington football team town. Come on now come on now. Is the team at knocked. Your quarterback silly come on now and their offensive line. Got banged up. But zeke tomlin again fourth and inches your own side of the field where we can do and zeke fumbled. But he's still makes ninety million bucks back there that's why you got him off of the beach in mexico to pay all that money give it to him for crying out loud sneaking no. Let's be cute and throw it what. Don't even throw it. Amari cooper i what and then when your defense comes up with a pick. Six and great play by terry maclaurin. By the way. I mean it wasn't like decay metcalf in the whole length of the field but he didn't give up jalen. Smith got tackled and that costs four points. That was the difference as well after the pick. Six and a three and out. It's twenty two sixteen and your defense a on that three hundred forces upon and then you Punt yourself and you fake it. And i know jerry jones said that you know this was a maneuver because things were not going their way and they need to do something shakeup. I'm paraphrasing here. It was twenty sixteen and then the play in look when you go fake punt and it doesn't work. It's very rarely looks pretty. This was particularly ugly particularly ugly and then dalton throws a pick six to alignment. I ain't dreadful. Just absolutely positively awful and if they loo- e even if the eagles lose tonight is in last place and here. I thought that they had the best roster and they were gonna come off that winning minnesota went on thanksgiving. Take on a ravens team. That's definitely banged up and start getting some win behind their backs. This things i i mean. I don't see it. I don't see it at all. I see terrible coaching decisions. I see insignificant decisions become completely huge just like previous years and i see mistakes just terrible. Yeah there's going to be less. Nope i the only thing. I'll say i felt for you brother. He's giving you know having marcus paul. Pass away a few days ago previous to the game that i'm sure that kind of weighed on them. But you're right a lot of the mistakes that they made the old playcalls tribute appreciate you bringing that up. You're talking about the strength and conditioning coach. Who passed away And the manner in which he apparently had happened at the facilities. We know when he had to be taken to the hospital. It's terrible it's awful and You know and they they they were thinking of playing with the proverbial heavy hearts. We've all been there but it's two thousand sixteen and a fake punt was terrible idea. Yeah absolutely and made no sense to call it the way they called it in the play you know where from earn twenty four. You'd think you'd think when a gunner starts going behind her that something's up. I mean what sort of play call was that. You can say that about five times game with this team. I don't i don't get any of it. And then but i'll just say this and then we'll get is dan. Orlovsky is going to be joining us. He's calling it. I'll just say this too because you got to give credit the other team washington football team. Alex smith is beginning to feel really comfortable. He's making some good throws he's cutting down on some of the mistakes even though he threw right to jalen smith and antonio gibson hope you started him right you start with okay last. Got score three touchdowns on the cowboys on. Thanksgiving day was randy moss of okay. Maclaurin is a one mccord's and i'll say mclaren's a number one. He's really good kid. Who used to play quarterback for virginia tech logan thomas. How's he looking right and in defensively number of times that they sniffed out whatever the cowboys were going to run and just cut the yak down seconds flat and the number of times that chase young was blowing stuff up. How about how about. We don't put on him about that. Oh my gosh right okay. So here we go. I mean washington football team moving forward. They got game against pittsburgh and then a game at san francisco home for seattle home for carolina. They got way to go. But we can't sit here and say they can't. I hate to say it good. Is dan orlovsky on the phone. Line as promised from the worldwide leader in sports he will be on. Nfl live an hour after we are done for eastern on espn later on today taking. It kickoff. monday night. Finale between seattle and philadelphia. Dan orlovsky here on the rich eisen. Show how are you. Dan rich. I'm doing well. It's a it's an honor and a pleasure beyond with you matt appreciate that. Thank you very much. I really enjoying your work on. Espn and definitely appreciate your your opinions on so many items I up for bids is what we saw last night on sunday night. Football with the bears. How in the world does chicago rectify their quarterback. Position in your estimation right. now dan. i think the bears as an organization. Probably looking at a complete overhaul because you ryan pace has got to be responsible in some capacity. Listen he built a lot of good pieces that defense. But he's also built this offense in the selection mitchell trubisky and then matt nagy in many ways handpicked to not like he didn't pick mitch trubisky trubisky but he was handpicked to develop mitchell trubisky and milk. Mitchell might not be abusive to sean patrick. He hasn't gotten better. And so that has to be pegged on management and coaching that the lack of development at that position has got a full on their square their shoulders. And then for mitchell. I have dead for about almost two years now that i think they use him poorly. I don't think they accentuate his skill. Set that being said the at the end of the day. He's not good enough in two thousand. And twenty with the quarterbacks young ones that we have in the nfl right now. Mitchell's not gonna be good enough to carry your franchise board and to be bona fide winner and legit playoff contender and then super bowl champion. So while he's athletic and hasn't skill set. And i do think. hasn't been accentuated at the end of the day they're going to have to move on from him. I think it's likely they move on for matt nagy from the lack of development and lack of leadership and i think it's fair to say ryan pace general manager and the guy that hand picked them is going to be on the hot seat as well. I know there was a shot Nbc's cameras caught pace And his master's shaking his head kind was perfect. I guess Image of what's going on with buyers and they were five and one dan. I mean there are five. Was that all just smoke and mirrors and mirage. How does it go five and one to two five and six like that. Their defense was dominant and they were winning games because of the defense. And so you know that's kind of where i always get into it with people when people say well spends when championships in two thousand five hundred yeah. That's not the case anymore because of the rules and the understanding space and how much smarter offensive coaches are and the skill set of so many different people in the quarterback run game. That doesn't prove to be true anymore. And i thought when they made the move to nick foles. I did not think that was the right choice. Although i love nick and i okay well nick just throws the ball to the right place. They should be decent enough where where their defense is gonna keep them in every game. And then nick thirty to really turn the ball over and that opens starting to slow down and then fares it just puts such a big burden on the defense and i think the defense is at the point where they're just misses three years now. This is three years now being a championship caliber defense in chicago and having to go out there and going. If we don't score as a defense in we give up to such. We're probably going to lose the game. And i think that that is just weighing so heavily on their defend. Nfl veteran quarterback now at the worldwide leader in sports from espn. Dan orlovsky here on the rich eisen. Show so you're saying that it'll be not one but two teams cleaning house in the nfc north because the lions did that over the weekend Matt patricia and bob queen are out and that led me to take to twitter. It essentially counting the table for something that i know. It won't happen but higher. Jim caldwell back and choose a gm who knows go to work is what i tweeted out and i gotta tell you man. I'm i'm used to getting twitter trolls but it was more than just trolls. That hit me. I got absolutely torched for this. Take i know you were there. In the jim caldwell era in detroit. Yeah and and i think you said the same exact thing i i might be. I might be following in your footsteps dan. So you have the floor knowing the organization as you do and knowing what call well did there. I'll give you the floor on this subject. Yeah i hear a lot of the same feeling as you with the situation. I started the same feeling with jim. Caldwell my overall view would be this. The lines organizationally have tried a lot of different things over the last. I don't know twenty years. They've tried a lot of things off into mining coaches defensive minded coaches coordinator. All this stuff only one of them has worked only one coast that they have hired has been successful now maybe maybe climbed all the way to the top of the mountain but only one guy had the kosher right had the room. Right had the expectations right and had the team playing like every single week. You believe all right the lions the this is going to be a good game and if they played the way they're capable of playing they'll win that football game and it was trending in the right direction. They had a quarterback in matthew stafford and really the prime of his career playing top five top six football. And so i sit back and we'll go all right. I know a rich. No one loves smart off into football more than me. I'm a complete nerd when it comes to that stuff. So i can understand people go. No you gotta get your offensive coach really because everyone wants sean. Mcvay listen i was with sean. He's a unicorn as great as he is when it comes to his accusations. He's a significantly better leader. When it comes to organizational kind of galvanizing foresight all of the things that are going to be needed to be great head coach. Sean excel that. And then he's also remarkably good with gas. So i caution right now just to go just find a really good offensive coordinator. No the lions need somebody that knows that organization. The knows the ins and outs of what works. And what doesn't knows that city knows that communication. Now jim caldwell is available and he wants that job and he tells you this is my offensive coordinator. I'm going to bring this guy an offensive coordinator. He's got a couple of names on the list and that offense coordinator runs a scheme or style and sees football the way it needs to be seen right now in the nfl. Then i think that it's very it's it's It's negligent to not sit down and go someone's gotta prove to me that that there's a better option than this. 'cause i know this guys can do it. I know that he can get us heading in the right place the same way he did years ago. So dan i'll push back on the same stuff. I got pushed back on One is that caldwell was dreadful teams with winning records You could count on a one hand. Apparently the number of times that oh team came in and lost to call wells lines and to That yeah maybe he was eight games over. Five hundred. Did get a couple of wild card appearances. But it's about winning championships. And he wasn't even close to that. So that was the pushback i got. Okay so i'll i'll address the first one. Yes we we We be a lot of the kind of average teams in below average teams and we played with a lot of the good teams and we were never able to get kind of over that hump. That's also because he was still in building mode you know they had just and i would say this martin mayhew was a guy as the next general manager de probably got fired or or moved on from in and that was incorrect movies. Well because martin had started to get some drafts going maybe he wasn't the pittsburgh steelers when it comes to the draft but he was starting to draft better and it was really in lockstep that they were doing things together and so i always tell people this you know during my first go round with the lines and people would ask. Why were you got so bad. I said look at our draft. Look at our first round picks the first round picks for miss out miss after missile to kind of build your organization and build your program to really start to become a teaneck consistently beat the good teams because again. There's only like six of them and the nfl that takes time So i i can understand where people are coming from. But that's not something that usually happens on a consistent basis within the first three or four years of a head coaches role that in that organization. And then i understand it about championships. I get all that but find me. The last coach that walked in and just wanna championship just walked in and goes okay. I three years. I took a perennial basement team over twenty years and i won a super bowl with like the the the the lions fan and the organization have realized that this has to be stacked in stack instead and there is no fixed deck. That's my point. They had the quick fix. They've tried that multiple times. Doesn't work there. It's not gonna work there. Dan orlovsky here on the rich eisen show and i guess you can even just well. Obviously nobody has just aaron rodgers sitting around but the whole narrative of matt lafleur is going to have to teach his quarterback a system or the old leopard is going to have to change his spots. And and aaron rodgers was grinding gears with mike mccarthy and it was just not gonna work well thirteen three last year and how we saw the performance on sunday night. Why is it worked for matt. Lafleur in your estimation in green bay. I think that it's worthy of us. Putting him into the conversation of one of the coaches in football right now and certainly a and the running for coach of the year. I'd say this matt got a great. You know i was on the set. Forget up with with greeny the moment that not the floor got the head coaching job and i had had with him in two different places in houston and with the rams and i had this is going to work out perfectly greeted looked at me like who that leflore. What are you talking about. And i said the best thing is matt. Leflore will not back down from a strong personality and aaron rodgers they will he will continue to push him and push back on the respectful manner but in a challenging manner and i think earns one of those players. We came into the the nfl the same year together. He's one of those thurs wants to be challenged. He wants to be intellectually challenged. He wants to be Towns with motivation he wants to be challenged with his ability fully grasp. What the what. The plan is offensively and how to attacks in defenses. And i think the biggest thing that matt done is clarify thing for him. He's made some stuff easy. You watch that team. It looks a lot like kansas city. Patrick mahomes is the greatest talent i've ever seen. There's some stuff there in that offense. That is easy for him. It gives them a mental breather. It gives them a physical breather. And i think that's been a really good job with that in green bay. He knows what they're good at. He knows that aaron's great at outside the pocket. Wh why because he can make throws on the move at other guys. Can't it gives them the opportunity to create post snap a little bit more that he can move in space a little bit more. And so. I think they've got a really good feel for what they're good at. Doesn't expose them to kind of the deficiencies of their offense He uses devante brilliantly. And i think the big thing is understanding that aaron wanted that he wanted to coach that was going to bring him greatness like the given the opportunity to be great again. And that's why it's working so green bay so then. Why isn't it working in in tampa. I guess dan dan orlovsky from espn here on the rich eisen show. I mean just mentioned how mahomes has some easy things we talk about. How elaborate that. That scheme is in kansas city but they also give some easy things that also helps to give tyreek hill One on one coverage as we saw Tampa bay continuously do in that first quarter yesterday but it just. It was jarring me again. Dan to see brady in the role of can he keep pace with the other teams offense. That's been the narrative for brady on the other foot for twenty years. but they they. They lost that game in the first quarter. It was essentially done right there. What is going on there. And how can it be fixed to make brady. Maybe more comfortable in that offense the last few weeks. Yeah the best way. I can describe. Tampa bay right now is they are so dependent an incredibly high level and really unreal realistic level of execution. Like they get seventy snaps and they have to be so good all eleven across the board with their execution that it just challenges their offense and kinda minimizes their level of success. Because i think there's two things in the nfl that has really started to show up a little bit on the back end of last year. And then it's been dominant this year. That are are difference makers for the really good offense in the nfl. pre snap motion. And i'm not just talking about one guy going from one side of the formation to the other. I'm talking like with feed and snapping the ball at the same time because it creates leverage and angles for blocking and matchups and just defenses a ton to look at. So you have to do that. And then you have to utilize play action pass. And the buccaneers. Don't do either of that and so. Those things really minimized in the city or the need for high level execution. Because you're like. Oh well i already got. I got you out and faith versus a linebacker. You don't need to be great. You just need to be good enough. And so that's why when i mentioned like it. Minimizes the need for this high level of execution. When you do that stuff. And the buccaneers don't and so they're just so demanding on everybody on their offense to just at their absolute best all the time and that's just really bad coaching and they're they're not doing things that tom brady is so notorious for gavilan. Scrimmage frankowski out there. Oh there's a corner now. I know zone okay. Now i cut half of my thinking or half the time that it needs that. I need to think i've cut in half and so I think that bruce arians is environment just stuck in their ways. 'cause they seen it work before i've seen this work with carson palmer or andrew luck or big ben. I know this offense is good. Well that might be true. But it's not good right now. It's you have different people operating it and they've maxim or they kind of expose themselves to way too many of their weaknesses offensively protection the deep ball and happens way too much question kennedy fixed how they got twelve practices less like they got. It hasn't been fixed or or altered in august. It's hard for me to think that over the next four or five weeks they're gonna remarkably or are miraculously change who they are last one. Four you dan. Before i send you to the set of nfl alive and you're taking everybody to kick off a part of the coverage of The worldwide leader in sports taking a kick off of monday night football between seattle and philadelphia After philadelphia lost. Its last game dan. The question was Once again put doug peterson about. It's quarterback carson wentz being the starter and he base cassette. He's the starter instead. If he turned jalen hurts that it would indicate to the team. The season is over and then a few days later when asked if carson was a you know i still a starter. He said i would think so. Now we're hearing hurts. Took some snaps with the ones over the weekend. What do you expect to see tonight for philadelphia a as both the washington football team and giants have already won this week. Yeah i think that carson wentz we'll take the great majority of the snaps in this football game he'll be starter. I would expect Jalen hurts to be used in two specific areas. Which is something. That probably should have been happening more. One-third down in let's say under four yards. You know very situationally specific where you can utilize eleven on eleven football. You can kind of add in quarterback run and maybe potentially some rpo's to allow guys out in space. So i think that'll be a little bit more. Because the team has been bad on third down and then the second would be similar in the red zone where you get down into the red zone and you can play eleven on eleven. I do believe that they should get carson wentz off the field jalen hurts gets on because if they're going to bring jalen hurts on the field and still leave carson wentz on the field. You're playing ten on eleven. I have long said that both those guys should be in the backfield at the same time when you can really get creative. That's when you can stress the defense. They haven't done it yet this year. I don't know why. Because i think that's been a failure but They need to play better car cities to be played. Better on jalen hurts will impact. And i think in situational football. Dan appreciate the time. Like i said i'm i. I appreciate your work. I hope this is the first of many times you appear on the show when you say when you see green next tell them i said hi Talent i would feel his pain. But i never thought i would name my children's sam darnold darnold okay. He once told me hanging there. Just just got five more games to go. That's at five more to go and then we get news. Jet fans had all year. So i appreciate it then after the ottoman grew up watching you. So it's it's a privilege. I appreciate that dan Nfl live with dan orlovsky and the cast of thousands later on. Espn at four eastern. Monday night football tonight on the worldwide leader in sports watching me. Did he say that you shot me a look. You know i was going to ask you about that afterwards. What is your guttural reaction when you hear a guest or a collar. Say that to you all right. Let's take a break. We'll i'll take my ginseng extract and hit that when we come right back there is news about the forty niners where they're gonna play when we come back overreaction monday and more now there are more ways to be a team with microsoft teams with together mode. 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Billy gardell is gonna join us an hour number three. He's one of my favorite humans on the planet. He is a diehard steelers fan. He is a real big time football fan and he is just. The delight is a light. And bob hearts abessola everybody on cbs. He'll be joining us at the an hour number three and there's news pop everywhere Here in the world of sports including what just came out of san francisco. I guess out of santa clara san francisco forty niners just tweeting out. Moments ago at forty niners The information that we've been all waiting for over the last several days about where the forty niners are going to be playing their football games in weeks. Thirteen and fourteenth santa clara county. We're back here on the rich. Eisen show radio network santa clara county where the forty niners are based announcing over the weekend that there are new kovic restrictions through december twenty first where contact sports are allowed to practice or play and apparently again Kyle shanahan mentioned this after his nine. Beat the rams coming off their bye week yesterday. He mentioned how the forty niners learned of this on the flight down. So and mike florio on our number one said that the niners were gonna take one last run at santa clara county to say essentially really and the answer came back from santa clara county. Apparently really and the forty niners have announced that they are going arizona. they are going to arizona. They will play in the home of the arizona cardinals over the next two weeks. Arizona is a matter of fact. Interestingly enough has a home date against the rams this coming sunday but the forty niners game is not until monday night so their home date with buffalo monday night or thirteen capper and then their home date with the washington football team in week fourteen. Two pretty darn big football games for everybody involved. That's currently the the deep division leaders in both conferences eastern divisions and those are dates that will be played for arizona in san of san francisco arizona because arizona's on a on a road game in week fourteen. And then i guess maybe san francisco. Maybe the niners can leave some belongings down there. Because they're right back to play arizona in arizona on the saturday of christmas weekend. It was just announced. That's part of the header of games. That are played on a saturday of week. Sixteen so i guess the forty niners are are going to be spending some time in in glendale jed york the owner of the forty niners tweeting out. Thanks to michael bidwill of the cardinals just moments ago. So that's the latest on all of that. Now what were you going to ask me. You're asking me something. Yes so at the end of our conversation with dan orlovsky he said grew up. Watching you. big fan you know thank you thank you it cetera et cetera and you exchange glances. This has happened more than a few times over the decade. We've been doing this together and my question for you is. What is your of guttural reaction when you hear guests say you grew up watching you big fan. Well i guess if you heard. I think i made an audible like something like that right so i'll take it as a compliment because i'm fortunate to have done this long enough legend in the game. I don't know. I'm on par with jim brock. Mar quite frankly so but Kind of does hit me. I looked in the commercial break dinner. Losses thirty seven years old meaning. When i did my first sportscenter. You could do the math. He was twelve getting ready for. I'm wondering i'm wondering is bar mitzvah. No lobski member of the trump. I don't know. I don't know usually i'll reach out to jeff schwartz. I think he's the arbiter of who. Who is it he would no. I mean rich and fairness. I grew up. You know what i mean. So it's like you only got me by eleven years so it's not you know we'll take it. I will take especially since unlike the young justin. Herbert i look more distinguished and refined with less hair. Like the anti samson. Thank you for laughing at that. Can't be precise. I appreciate you guys laughing at that. I don't give complementary laps either. That was actually fine. I appreciate that. Thank you just not throwing stuff out. All willy nilly what you're saying. Let's take some phone calls here on the rich eisen show and then we'll take a break and then we'll do overreaction monday okay. Mike in pennsylvania. You're here on the rich eisen show. What's up mike. Rents what's up buddy. What's on your mind sir. I wanted to check into First of all real quick. Before i jump jump into the meat and potatoes in my call and start getting angry Okay i i wanna this show for being here for me well for a long time but mostly within the last four months i meant to talk about this on wednesday but i had to go roller therapy but i broke my heels. I fell off my roof. stacks Back in the summer. So i work out walking back and forth in their room. Listening to you guys. You guys like key in the keep my head out of my like like when i'm going through depression because i'm stuck in this nursing facility and we had the co it and when out of the building and all that kind of stuff so you guys really going. I can't thank you enough. Bless your man. And i i. I know you're a big eagles fan and you're concerned about tonight. And nobody's brought up penn state to me yet which is great. I did see anthony adams tweet in my direction but it's all good. It's all good now. That's all bad. As a matter of fact. I'm not i'm not bringing a ammo knocking you at all about the whereas rather the loop when it comes to the race but i'm talking about the The the thing that angers me about this playoff selection committee is 'cause they did the same thing ninety. Four when penn state went undefeated. okay The the first year. We're doing the big ten. We'd be are gonna rose bowl. Never forget this. Who do they put above us. The miami hurricanes because they beat nebraska old miami. And now they're doing the same thing with ohio state because Got know of this virus everything up to now. They have to cancel the next two games or supposedly If they say they don't play in the big ten championship game or whatever right probably put them at number four right up naming. Here's the thing mike. Thanks for the call. Enjoy your eagles tonight. Hopefully they they give you they give you a little bit of a boost. Look i said it. Put eighteen ohio state they as you know. Ryan day has covert. He's covered positive. The game against illinois was cancelled. They're not gonna be able to end the big time doesn't make it up so it's just one game at ohio state is not gonna put out there and i know ohio state didn't blow out indiana by the way The indiana quarterback right panicked junior. Is he tore his acl. Just terrible okay. And northwestern got beat by michigan state. And i know wisconsin lost to northwestern and i know that the big ten is supposedly big ten needs to have a representative those final four. I'm sorry and it should be ohio state. Look at me. Standing for ohio state. Ohio state is an excellent football program. And i'm i'm not just saying that. So they don't late eighty on michigan in december. Please don't lady michigan in december. So that's what i think. I'm sorry there's really no comparison between who will who will have stadiums and what big ten football is another other programs. She put eight and it's ridiculous that we're not talking about. Let's put eight in and see how it goes and give everybody something to look forward to in this cova crazy football or the college football stories over the weekend. Was this young lady. Sarah fuller kicking for vanderbilt. Because vanderbilt has a covid problems with their kicking and they turn to. Sarah full of from vanderbilt's soccer team and said go for it and then you saw all the i mean there's a dozen very integral heaven men's soccer team. Guess what they don't they don't. I thought it was terrific. I thought it was terrific that they gave her a shot. I know that they couldn't put her in field goal. Position in our kickoff wasn't boomed out of the end zone but the fact that she comes out afterwards and says that she wants to prove to other girls. You can do what you want to put your mind to. As girl dad. That is phenomenal phenomenal. Unfortunately the coach vanderbilt's derek mason take fired because how terrible the offense looked and then so kudos to you. Sarah who wants to stick with the team as long as they'll have her and how about this chris. What if you are run an all over a team. You're on all over team. Let's just say let's just say you have an opportunity to set the record for fbs rushing. Yup not just in terms of yards in a game but touchdowns. What if you got that right. What if your team's run all over somebody and you you have that opportunity. Yep and your coach out at the game pretty mad guy from buffalo. Well god bless jarrett patterson. Yeah who had an opportunity to set the record for most rushing yards in a game and most touchdowns in a game he had four hundred nine yards rushing and he had eight touchdowns okay against kent state and the coach takes him out and his backup on the verge of the red zone. If he'd gotten all the rushing yards it his backup then got heated. Set the record and touchdowns because his backups touching. Now i've never talked about coach lance leipold before. If that's his again i apologize. I i don't know who the coach buffalo is or what the coach said. He didn't know when he took the kid out of the game. Didn't know how do you not know. How does somebody not say coach coach. He's only i forget how. Twenty five short mogae. P. has i didn't know of the rushing statistics until i got to track. I guess at the end. I didn't know he had eight touchdowns. I wish i would have known a little bit. Okay i know coaches have tunnel vision. But that's nutty asked about being removed from the game. He said after the game. Jared patterson i didn't know about the yards but man i was just trying to run out the clock so we can get the locker room and celebrate with everybody and not really really to press over the records. I know that they will come at takes. Everybody i just wanted to win. Obviously also man right sportsmanship but somebody's gotta coach. Mike talk him out. Hey guys twenty yards shy of the record like how do we can't run it do it. I'm all for team. I'm all for sportsmanship of course but you only get so many opportunities to go for something like this. Like i'm saying you've done all the work. Finish it up. And when i say like i'm saying when you have lost eleven games and you're five away from trevor lawrence. Everything comes back into this. Yes you've done the hard work. The hard works been done. Finish the job right right so your job. Do your job lose game. How did i bring this kid's remarkable. How football accomplishments. All the way back to eleven. Just the way my mind works might do your job. Thank you a gift. And i'm gay. Says he wasn't calling the place yesterday. And he's the one who just relaying the information into the quarterback. Yeah right so let's hear what he's saying. The offensive coordinators calling plays just telling the coach the because he needs to be the one to get in the court. And i don't blame him for wanting to get in in in sam darnold's years because this is what he wants he wants be in darnold ears and donald super should have mems and paran and crowder. That's the plan. That's what they should have with frank gore behind him. That was the all idea. Get rid of loving on bellies. Bad news get rid of him. We don't need him. Let's run gordon this supposed to go no touchdowns still so on top of all of this michigan to use the phrase of my childhood from my parents craziness nuttiness silliness. I just went yiddish. Yes i did with all the michigan. It's that we saw in the own ten. Finally get the quarterback in the three. What outs still big fat. Nothing just like under the w column finish the job jets finishing eight four four zero four rich number dial. We'll come back. Here overreaction monday before we get to the news update and billy gardell and your phone calls here on this monday edition of the rich eisen show now. 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Let's get to this Frolic jaw this giant that we do every monday overreaction monday right here on the rich eisen show to please that would enable garbage place reaction. Mundi's okay maybe this is just me having this reaction but we've talked about it before like what we're seeing with. Patrick mahomes like kind of next level almost like jordan. Ask my overreaction. Here is trubisky over mahomes is worse than sam mbui over. Michael draw wild. Oh man ooh sam buoy was a good college player. Though right he was good. I think this wind up being worse. It's too early. Well i mean honestly hold on a second remember from the last dance. this is a good one. Yeah from last dance. They already had drexler right. Which what you're know jordan clyde the rest of their jerk as going against portland so they they made this decision. It's not like they needed someone like jordan and went with somebody else from jordan's position here. They needed a quarterback and maybe evaluation at the position that is so far off and unfortunately for mitchell this weekend this weekend mahomes did what he after watson has been doing what he's been doing without deondraye gains and nobody else really. I mean what what watson's doing right now is playing cornell into the full-time job there are over five hundred since firing Bob so watson and fantasy he's been so that's what makes it worse. There's two guys that make it worse for trubisky. One of them is mahomes. Who is becoming you know legendary already at age twenty five and they traded up together. I mean they traded up spot to actually gave up capital to go get him. So i'll say this is worse. And not an overreaction. I mean at least portland's clyde right. Good we that's what i'm saying. They burn the wrong. Evaluation is to you know. We already have clyde. We don't need somebody who plays a similar position even though but this is you know what else you got over there chris. Okay so Daniel jones had a hamstring injury yesterday. Looks like he's going to miss some game action giants currently in first place in the nfc east. Oh yes. it's going to be colt mccoy. That's true to lead the giants to the nfc title which is by the way the most nfc east. Twenty twenty thing is at colt. Mccoy can lead the giants to a championship over washington. Football team i mean with all due respect. This is not what you see coming. He can do it. He can give you four good games. Bring back eli here. We go man bring knowledge here. We go. I think this is wonderful. I saw honestly had no idea who the backup for the new york giants was. Are you kidding me. It's cult mcchord so right now. It's the colt. Mccoy lead giants tied with the team with no nickname. That mccoy used to play for team at the top of the division. What else you got over there. That's amazing okay. They didn't get a win yesterday. Against your jets rich with ryan fitzpatrick after two came up with israel. Hope that fits. The she'd go back to fits. Dolphins went to to a too soon Overreaction i won't hear our here of it went to two on here of it. You know how i feel about to the to train. They gotta get him back in their get him back in there and see what they could do if he could do it. I know denver made him look like but don't forget what he looked like against arizona for crou- come on now come on now. You know. there's just it's not all gonna be peaches and cream mad. So this is what i will say back in there against cincinnati and see how it goes before kansas city and let's see how it goes game. I won't say that. That is what i'm hearing a lot about the also. That's an overreact. Just mentioned desha watson. he has been awesome. This year is texans dead yet. Get it finished. I don't want her I'm already saying the lions are out of it in the nfc at foreign seven four seven. They're they're done. Nine hundred seven might not make might not make the playoffs seven seat in the afc this year. Although the raiders looked terrible yesterday where they held at that come from. Derek carr looked amazing. You didn't miss any throws against kansas city. That may brady looked like that in the first quarter yesterday. How the hell did the raiders looked like that against lanta car was a turnover machine and i kept saying the thing that he's been so crazy. Bought into the raiders. What groomsmen selling. He's been so efficient. So i'll say that the texans even if they went out at nine and seven i. I don't think that that's going to be good enough. So that's what i'll say. But is what i enjoy watching them play. Jj watt with a pick six romeo minute partying like it's two thousand sixteen all over again but does shawn watson quarterback instead of matt schaub. What else you got over there chris. Okay ran wild in indianapolis on sunday. Derrick henry offensive player of the lockdown lockdown. And then you could start talking about getting some mvp votes. Somebody's gonna say that just depends on if the titans wind up say thirteen and three twelve and four. I mean he is. He is a tour de force. He's not just a tour to force. He is a culture. Change is he's a. He's a leader. I don't know how vocally is in the locker room but the way he plays now. Aj brown is playing like that at the wide receiver position. They are physical their coaches physical. They are an extension of what rival is doing. They're back they're back to what they were like. At the end of the year last year at the beginning of this season. They've got their sea legs. Man i know the colts roll banged up but there are business decisions being made in the second quarter of that game. Derrick henry at a first quarter in the first half like tyreek hill had for for the chiefs. You're going to hear you're going to hear. Mvp talk for himself. Just say leave it at at. That's not an overreaction. Sneeze see if we could sneak one more. Think about this yesterday there. Real quick the rushing record receiving record and single game pass record all legitimately at one point yesterday had a shot to go down right crazy rams rich way yesterday out here in. La too inconsistent for deep playoff run. I disagree i disagree. The forty niners are. It's one of those division rival games is. I'll just chalk it up. Today they are inconsistent and it is a little bit frustrating. But i i still think that the rams The rams are a team that you don't wanna see Come january and i think they can make a deep playoff run. That number ninety nine is a monster. He is a monster. And that's that's the team the again you know golf is just got to take care of the football. Richard sherman made Made made his presence known right off the bat. So i'm i'm still a believer in the rams not gonna jump off the rams bag and just yet but i did also say that the forty niners were not dead yet and that was my my fourth down. Take last week and you know you know they keep doing this if they go and they beat buffalo in week thirteen which is entirely possible in arizona in arizona where we know buffalo had a shot to win if not for the hill murray back. They don't think they'd go back to arizona this year but they'll be back there that if they win that they'll be six and six and then all of a sudden. Hey katie you. Okay jimmy g. You okay. see what happens. That's overreaction monday here eight four zero four rich your phone calls. We'll take one from the great. Billy gardell from bob hearts abbas shola. He's a die hard steelers fan. We've always had great conversations when he stopped buying. He will stop by an hour number. Three and chris brockman news update and your calls still to come derrick henry. Somebody's gonna vote for him for mvp. But i know that they. You know offensive rookie of the year. I mean offensive player of the year. And i'm quarterback award pretty much a glasser michael thomas lawn and you know. A cj. Two is won that award to when he ran for. I it again. It's a spot four because the mvp is such a quarterback driven award. But derrick henry is closing games and when the offense is inconsistent or make mistakes or the defense is having trouble stopping the opponents. Derrick henry gotten teams right. He's gotten his team right in that ravens game. That thing was pretty much toast and then. Aj brown made a physical play to get in the end zone. And derrick henry took over from there and a walk off and over time by the way that saturday before that game was the last time the ravens practice and their looks like they are going to have to play tomorrow night. I did have one more eagles one that we can hit on next hour. 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Hour 2 - Dan Orlovsky (04-16-20)

The Dan Patrick Show

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Hour 2 - Dan Orlovsky (04-16-20)

"You're listening to the Dan Patrick. Show on Fox sports radio and the vice president of the United States involved in a in a call. You've got all these commissioners. We'll talk to the commissioner of the PGA tour. He'll join US tomorrow. Golf is starting to get maybe a little closer to inching back having some competition there because there's other tournaments we look at the majors. British open cancelled in the masters has been pushed back to November. Us Open has been pushed back PGA championship spin pushback not cancelled but the British open has been cancelled. But there's other golf events that are going to be happening before those majors. So we'll talk to commissioner Monti. And he'll join US coming up tomorrow. We're talking about best uniforms. Usa Today had the rankings. Here you know the worst uniform ranking and I. I don't think this is fair. But I think we look at the franchise therefore the uniform. A uniform looks better when you win. Let's face it. The cream sickle uniforms with. The buccaneers. Didn't look great when they came out in the seventies because they weren't very good they had the sellman brothers and that was about it. Steve Spurrier Steve. Young came in for a brief visit. Doug Williams came in the worst uniform in the NFL this according to USA. Today you guys WanNa Guess mclovin will start with you worship as more uniform based on your T.'s. The bengals because they've been bad bengals. No they're not in the Bottom ten right now. Here's the description hideous color scheme. Wed to a logo that RUBS PEOPLE THE WRONG WAY Paulie Washington Red. Yes come on down yeah The second worst uniform remember when the bills were using all that piping and heavy color swatch ing all over the shoulders a decade ago. You would have thought that no one would ever try to replicate that look alas the Arizona cardinals second worse uniforms this according to Nate Davis USA. Today I thought this would be the team that had the worst uniforms. Just because of their helmets the thirtieth ranked uniform in the NFL is Jaguars. Yes Jacksonville Jaguars yet Paul Jacksonville's cleaned it up. In the past three years they've cleaned up the helmets and they also went with that white on white. Almost like a penn state. Look with that uniform with Leonard. Fournette looks even more fearsome with they've cleaned up Jacksonville. A little bit is the problem with Jacksonville. Really just the helmet for me. It is but I can't do that. It's a pretty solid uniform. Well I didn't know what color was of it wasn't Brown and it wasn't golden. I didn't know what it was so that kind of that was one of those. If I went to you know crayons or Sherman Williams I go. What color is this? And I'm not quite sure that bothered me. The twenty ninth ranked uniform. They ripped Atlanta's rollout on twitter but a team that looks more. Xfl THAN NFL doesn't have a paw to stand on Chicago. Your Carolina Panthers Twenty. Eight is the Cleveland Browns. Okay twenty seven is the titans. I hate the new. The numerals on their the imagery of a Roman Centurion is Kinda cool with the shoulder flaps. And these sword. Sheath on the hip but the navy home. It's were upgrade. That just too much going on here. I disagree a little bit. I think the titans have KAMO's it gets a little busy. But they have a Sec. Old School Seventies Sec sec wasn't around seventy It's a terrible use of a great color. Those uniforms all right. This one's GonNa hurt. It's not just it's it's it's just not wearing well as one thousand nine hundred ninety s as friends and the problem is amplified by how sharp their color rush. Uniforms are your Denver Broncos Twenty six worst uniform in the NFL. Sorry taught that's insane. Yeah sorry all right. It's absolutely correct. Because when the Broncos do that Colorado and go back to the dark blue on night they look fantastic all right. Here's your top five New Orleans saints now. The the old goal that they went back to is pretty. I love the white with the gold. The old gold. I think that is as sharp as any uniform and football number. Four on the list is going to be a shocker. Shocker I don't even. I can't even give the description they have in USA Today because you'd give it away. Anybody WanNA guess number four on the list best uniforms in the NFL season O'Connor steelers. No No steelers got an awesome year for although they only had the logo on one side of the helmet which is kind of cool but I never understood that while they only did on one side only like was it budgetary reasons or something but they only have it on one side. Like you know the cowboys don't have star on. Just one side does. Green Bay doesn't have the G or the bears don't have a seal and once on camp on the packers number four. I think packers are top five easy. Hackers are not in the top five at blasphemous. Your Seattle seahawks are the fourth best uniform. And I'm like which uniform wrote to skip bayless the College Navy and Action. Green reflect the emerald city and as does the logo a callback to a mask designed by Indiana native to the Pacific northwest. Number three your Pittsburgh steelers number two on the list. I have no problem with this near Los Angeles chargers the best uniform. All of football. Your Vegas Raiders. Yeah according to USA. Today it doesn't get better than the silver and black who feature an awesome color scheme fantastic logo overall clean look since its inception in nineteen sixty four that guy's good writer that USA. Today I like the USA Today. Not a lot of words. Short articles like him. Is that your Jon Gruden. Yeah I like the USA. Today's Oh okay them. Usa Today's IRS. They know what they're talking about. Elizabeth yes Paul. Ohio joins us. Hi Paul what do you have for me today? Yeah again by foot nut in one thirty. Okay I've been watching the rams since early sixties and I. You can't change that helmet logo. I can deal with my logo. I mean that's where the kids dot or Nada. Also I have I have a I wanNA revisit. The shower shame. I turned down on Friday. I'll take the rams to win the West. Okay if that if that would be cool with you guys yeah also I. I had a suggestion for your For Your T shirt you know you've got Tampa Bay. What about like sitting with our guy? What do you think we'll know that you will leave it to Fritzy to come up? With the bad punchier. Yes sorry Paul but thank you. Yeah now I can't go with them. If Cam Newton goes to New England then I think we have something right. Fritzy we absolutely do thank you Newton. Thank you thank you. Thank you we on the air right now we are. Yeah I six minutes. I clicked something and it took me to Microsoft word by accident. That's what the delay was. Stay with me here. Stay with me I was. I was trying to Click Mike and I click the icon next to it and all of a sudden Microsoft word came up any from Newton would be compatriots. Thank you todd. Yesterday we had a brief period of NFL excitement as the rumor caillebotte on Sports. Talk Radio that the browns maybe contemplating trading Odell Beckham Junior. The third the vikings well. It didn't take long for NFL. Reporters to say no. I don't think that's true but hey sports talk radio social media. We needed something talking heads. It was just a rumor. I'm hearing that's dangerous. You hear things but you want to be able to report things. That are accurate. And I'm not giving a tutorial here. It's just when people say I'm hearing they think it's fact and I checked to source and I said the vikings interested in Odell Beckham and at first my source said well. They got to get a number one receiver and I go. Okay Adam feelings not your number one receiver. You lose the bills go. It just seems strange that the Vikings would wanNA bring in Odell Beckham after getting rid of Stefan digs and my source came back this morning and said They're gonNA look at drafting wide receiver that they're not going to trade for Odell Beckham now. That doesn't mean that there wasn't some validity to this but when you're hearing that could be. Hey you guys interested in Odell Beckham. I don't know let me check back. And then it could be nope. We're not well. You were hearing that they were talking about it but there was no now. I know people attach draft picks to this. And maybe it's true. I'm just going by my source. And there was a second fifth round attached to Odell Beckham. But if I'm Minnesota and I know Mike Zimmer. You're not going to do this. You're not bringing in Odell Beckham after. Just get rid of. Stefan digs kirk cousins. Need some calmness there but it was. I'm hearing that. So with no games to talk about we dissect every personnel move. Its groundbreaking you know the bears trade for Nick. Foles my God. That's an hour deck. Dak Prescott has a dinner party. We spent a whole show on that the possibility of trade. What's going to happen Joe Boroughs? You're going to the Bengals who is two or three or twenty three. Everything is on steroids right. Now it's like it's so important. There's no basketball games to distract US right now. There's no baseball games to distract us. So it's a you think the lions would take too. I don't know I'm hearing. I still go back to the following. The second most important player on the field in my opinion. Obviously the first is quarterback. The second is your edge rusher. Every team needs to have one because this is a pass happy league. Von Miller won a super bowl. For the broncos. Okay you have to. Have you know the chiefs needed defense to win the Super Bowl? You'll have to have an edge rusher or it's probably wise to have an edge rusher San Francisco because their defense I mean Bosa could have been the MVP the Super Bowl. If San Francisco wins. Maybe the edge rusher rookies the MVP of the Super Bowl the importance of having that ability to put pressure on your quarterback so of chase young is a once in a generation player which would be hard for him to be once in a generation player if we just had. Bosa who could have been the MVP in the Super Bowl? But I haven't heard one team one even on hearing willing to go up and get chase young. Is He untouchable from the REDSKINS perspective? Because on the Redskins I wouldn't make him untouchable. Somebody wants to give me a couple of first round. Picks we give those first round picks. When's the last time that we did something like this in a draft where we went up to draft a defensive player or offensive player? Who's not a running back or quarterback. It seems rare but you know defense. Is You eventually an annual? I say this I'm a broken record at some point in the season. You will need a defensive stop to help you win a big game. You will need that. You may not be a defensive minded team but you will need players who make players right but you look at what Chris Jones in the chiefs did in the Super Bowl. Have you have to have that? The last dry. You have to have them so chase. Young is considered the best prospect in the draft right there. Nobody's arguing that best player in the draft. He's a given but nobody's going up to get him. Which I I'm shocked at I really am Daniel Jeremiah. Nfl Network analyst was on Gottlieb. Show yesterday and he talked about the redskins and chase you on. I can't see the redskins passing on chase young. Can you know I've heard all the chatter about potentially wanting to get out of there and all that you don't trade off of opportunity to get premiere edge rusher you don't at the second most important position in the game he's right there in your lap? Don't screw IT UP I. I don't see them making another decision there. Okay but why is it? Joe Boroughs worth four number one picks or why don't you go up and get Joe Borough or you trade for Jared Goff? Are you trade up for Mitchell trubisky? I get your trading up for a quarterback. But you're still waiting. On is Jared Goff of franchise quarterback. You're still waiting on Mitchell. Trubisky chase young comes in day one and is impactful for you too. I'm just surprised because I haven't heard one whisper. The redskins may want to get out of there. Nobody's willing to go up there and pay the price but I think everybody agrees chase. Young is the best player in the draft. Or at least he's the one sure thing whether that's true or not and I think if you look at Ohio state players for the most part they live up to the hype. Alabama players don't necessarily live up to the hype and as a source said to me. Yesterday nick puts them through hard practices. You stay there for three or four years. You have added a lot of knowledge on your body there and you see some Alabama players who aren't great when they get to the NFL that Ohio state players for the most part. And you start to look at. You're going to have had the second and third pick both from that Ohio state defense so the edge rusher and you start to think how they lose you. You've got the best cornerback. Who's going to start right away? Probably for the Detroit. Lions and Chase. Young who starts right away for the Washington redskins and you had a great quarterback you hand a lot of things and didn't win the National Championship. Yes mclovin CLEMSON. Have like five of those guys who is I recall? Chase young is gone. He's the best player in the draft. Jeff Kuda is the best defensive back. Who's going to go third? Perhaps I was wondering. Can you avoid defensive? End like remember how we talked about teens avoided. Jj Watt and its peak sometime like sort of work around him a little bit. Well the only way you avoided him as when he got hurt and what happens is it's this is going to sound strange. But you avoid somebody by going at them. Alan page was one of the Great Defensive Lineman with the Minnesota Vikings the purple people eaters. His pursuit was so great that you ran at him. And I think with Chase Young. Do you go at him too then. Somehow avoid him because he's going to be able to track you down the same with Bosa but with an edge rusher you can try to go away from him but they're going to track you down. You almost have to go at the person. You're trying to avoid which sounds counterintuitive. But maybe I'm Dan Orlovsky who's star is on. The rise of the mothership will join US coming up to get his thoughts. Why is nobody talking about Trading Chase Yang and is to really falling? Is it that much of a free fall here and we talked about the Justin. Herbert rumors and the Justin. Herbert rumors were true. Miami is interested in just in Herbert. This isn't a smokescreen. Miami is truly interested in just in her EPO. We always say. Don't believe what you hear. Draft the conventional rumors. The past three or four days is to is falling in the draft. Who would be floating that? And and who would it help? I mean think about this not sure the answer so who would float that rumor out there and the goalby. What would Miami float that out there? So they don't have to trade up to could be. That would be the type of thing you'd float to a bunch of media people. I hope that it benefits me how I but I never listened to a team official because I I just I get nervous when somebody tells me you know what they really feel but most people do? Listen I've learned that their job is not to tell me the truth. It doesn't make any sense. You get extra credit for being honest with the media. Take a break Dan. Orlovsky will join us by the way boomer boomer Liken Joe Borough to the bengals like Lebron the cavaliers so we'll talk to boomer coming up and the Golfer Bubba Watson will stop by coming up top of the hour or back after this on the Dan. Patrick show thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch. Us Live every weekday morning nine noon eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio. Find your local station for the Dan. Patrick show at Fox sports radio DOT COM or extremist. Live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching F s are those are the numbers and then without approval. 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It changed my life I went. Oh my God look those uniforms. It was as if I had watched sports in black and white and all of a sudden I had color TV and I had John Hagel. Who had number twenty? One is the quarterback who's got twenty. One is a quarterback number that Dickie Post Gary Garrison Lance Allworth as uniform spectacular. Yeah Paul Dan. I'm looking back at a picture of the Bengals from the seventies they've Orange Helmet White Jerseys. Dark Brown numbers three stripes and a simple bengals on there for some reason. Now it looks old school and cool. Compared to their tiger stripes. It was just boring. That's all the cowboys looked. Great you can have a clean looking uniform but it can be boring as well. You know the packers were great. The steelers were great. The niners look great. It is amazing though. If you win your uniform somehow looks a whole lot better. Dan Orlovsky stars on the rise at the mothership. Espn football former NFL quarterback and you can check him out on. Get up with Mike Greenberg sportscenter. Nfl Live and other programs best uniform. You played in was what Dan. We played them Definitely cream schools Tampa Bay buccaneers. We got to wear them once and these were like the old school material to so the. The comfort of them was atrocious but feel like the look of them was awesome. Now this is one we stunk so we probably got dragged by whoever we played but the best one I've played in. Is the Tampa Bay buccaneer creams call or the Lions Thanksgiving Day? Throwbacks when it's just all Blue Jersey. All Grey numbers Gray pants and all blue helmet. Those were the cleanest. I've warned myself all right Dan. That's all we wanted from you. Thank you we appreciate your time my dignity. Yeah I was just talking about this that the second most important position on the field is an edge rusher in my opinion she had the quarterback and you have the edge rusher. I don't know if you agree or not but I'll let you get your opinion on that in a moment why is it? Nobody wants to trade up to get chase young. If he is is a generational you know once in a decade kind of pass rusher in the best player in the draft. I haven't heard one trade scenario to go up and getting mine. Yeah I'd say Number One. There are some people and I've had conversations with guys that do believe he went ghost. The last three games of the year that he was minimized and shut down and Especially in the constant game people point to that I disagree with that point I actually thought that teams that played them down the stretch. We're conscious of him and getting the ball out of their hands way quicker than normal I think there's a reality that I don't think there's any chance Washington traits to pick. I just don't I mean Ron Rivera Jack Del. Rio there Washington defensive line has is going to be a major problem because just as a quarterback makes everybody better a dominant defensive. Lineman makes all those other offensive linemen better and so now. Monta sweat is going to be better and pains going to be better. Jonathan Allen is going to be better because of the addition chase down so I don't think Washington would be willing to move from that pick. I would disagree with you on the edge rusher being more important than the interior rusher Two reasons one the usage of the field. The spread of the field coaches are much more aware that the football field is actually fifty three and a third yards wide and much more willing to use all of that space and so now I always tried to express it like this. Think of an offensive line and traditionally over the last thirty years the NFL. You know the offensive line is tackled to tackle for the most part and that's probably a six or seven yard wide space and once the ball has traditionally been snapped because we weren't using space as much field. Why with the offense is like an accordion that gets shrunk? And so those pass rushers get closer and closer to the quarterback that are taking these trucks and sitting in the pocket when now coaches expand the offensive line. More at the ball being snapped whether it's the the use of lateral play action which is much more part of the NFL now than than it used to be the quick passing game in the screen. Game The lateral run game is much more used than the downhill run game. And the second thing it would be is how quickly the ball gets quarterback chance. I mean we see the ball get quarterback hands with the RPO game way faster than it used to be you know. What was the last time you saw quarterback under center and take a seven step drop just traditional drop back not a play action game it just. It's not part of the game as much anymore and so the interior pass rusher as close to the quarterback as possible person is more valuable for me and my experience and then the edge rusher. Yeah I get that. Because that's why Aaron Donald is so valuable. He's disruptive in the middle plus to get to the quarterback he can get there quicker than the edge. Rusher can and if you're taking less than you know two and a half seconds get rid of the football. Let's the the closest distance between two dots. Here straight right. And so I I understand that if you look at these drafts and I've said this it seems like every year I say the same thing. We build up a quarterback and then we tear him down as we get closer to the draft. So it's a roller coaster ride for these guys. Hey this guy is unbelievable in March then all of a sudden in April. The guy's not a top ten pick so we didn't do it with borough. We did it and we still doing it with two Herbert. He's sort of on the rise now Jordan. Love got some attention there. But how do you sort of sort this all out and understand? What teams are thinking about these players? Yeah I don't really believe. In ranking the quarterbacks went through three four five six. I look at it like okay. What guys are in the best position trait wise or skill set wise to be bona fide? Stars like to the guys that you can just count on for the next fifteen years to be rockstars no matter really who their coaches or who their. Who's around them skills? They're why these guys are going to be great players and its burrow in in To those are the two players quarterback wise in this draft. Joe Borough if you look at the grace in the NFL less twenty or visit deposition and you and you just kind of took away the first thing that pops in your head when you think about that player job has like okay. Tom Brady poised for clutch. `Nice Job rose got. That drew brees accuracy. Joe Girl has that Ben Rothlisberger Pocket Movement job. Rose Ridiculous added if you look at Russell. Wilson is instinct. Strawberry has all the things that like so many people overlook because they really difficult to measure. Unless you you really train your eyes. That's it job. Rose got all of that like all of it To us I it's very similar in that regard like to accuracy is is the greatest that he has. It's also the most important attribute physically a quarterback can house and so His duty to get through progressions. I call it the most programs quarterback in the draft not robotic program. So those guys are rockstars. They're going to be studs if healthy for two. Obviously I'm Herbert. To me is like my now. He's been like you know when you go. How shopping and you see this house. It's it's a beautiful home and it's got all the upgrade and it should sell really well but it just sits at the market because every time you see something's wrong with that just doesn't feel right and and I kinda sent this tweet out the other day. Think of all the quarterbacks that we've talked about in the draft in the last twenty years that when the first two or three things out of people's mouths big strong. He's athletic. He's got a powerful arm. Like think of all those guys in all more more often than not. Those cats have failed. And I didn't say anything about that when it came to Brady. Russell Wilson breeze big band. I didn't say anything about that because that stuff doesn't matter. We looked at quarterback the same way we look at all the other positions big strong athletic powerful. It should be the other way the mental and so. That's what concerns me about justice. Herbert is like no one's going. Great instincts or Gosh. His accuracy is ridiculous or he's just got this ability to make all these different kinds of those. Those are all the things that people talk about are like that. I talk about that. He struggles with and I just go man I. I would have a lot of concern about that. Because it's the most important physical attributes of the quarterback position and then for Jordan love. You know Jordan love is is is the the most intriguing probably guy because he does more stuff that you can't coach more wild stuff you go man. I just can't coach that though. I can't coach that. Throw I kind of related to this Patrick Mahomes. Who who who he he has been compared to. I don't see that but I'm Patrick. Mahomes has recessed style of football. Where like he's the best get on the playground and it's under control and he's just toying with people enjoyed him up as a reckless style of football where it looks somewhat similar but goodness. It's reckless and so listen if you can coach him up to be recess and reckless. Then yeah you you might have something to work with but I'm not taking them until later. In the first round A. Yeah I'M GONNA go with your analogy here with Justin Herbert. There's a house and there's a home he might be. A house is a quarterback where jober or two could be a home in there. There's a big difference in that. It looks great but it is. Is it going to be a home if the team if you pass onto it? Take Justin Herbert. Finish that sentence. You're scared to be great. You're you're okay with trying to be mediocre but better taking him or the fear of not taking in which one do you think is stronger in this draft to the fear of taking him and I said that I said that in January. It's going to take courage to take to. Let's be honest. It's GonNa take courage to pass onto because this isn't the same guy that incur curtseys. Great Right Kirk Street is is outstanding at what he does and I think he's got a great feel and understanding of that spot that position caused football. It's the same person. The same player that came into the National Championship game incurred for her story on the broadcast in Alabama's GonNa be okay. This kid is ridiculous. It's the same coach. Nick Sabin who we all say the one of the greatest coaches of all time who decided to go that player in that moment and so If if if a team decides to Drought Justin Herbert's it's just. They are so scared. That too is going to become hurt that they're they're willing to become to chase mediocrity than greatness. Play it safe and it's funny. I was just watching per steak and Michael Jordan was talking about the the last dance thing and he was talking about in his first year. He had an injury and the doctors told him. There's A. There's a ninety percent chance you won't get hurt. And there's a ten percent chance that you'll get hurt and your and your career Jordan looked at him like but I'm like I'm trying to be great. There's ninety percent chance there's a ninety percent chance that if you draft to on the via Loa you're going to become great as an organization. He's that stinking good but if you WANNA bet on the ten percent because you're scared then that that's on you and later that year in the playoffs in Jordan puts sixty three on the Celtics in the garden. Yeah I guess I get like listen and I brought this up okay. So look at the past like ten years and like okay saints like you don't get great in the NFL without taking risks the saints when onside kick the Super Bowl ten eleven years ago and the Super Bowl halftime the eagles years ago. As the number. One seed you started going into the playoffs with a backup quarterback and and Rent a trick play on fourth and goal. The chiefs traded up to get a quarterback from Texas Tech. When they did. It need to a veteran a football team. The Ravens took a quarterback in the mark. Jackson couldn't fit into the NFL. Like you if you want to become a great championship caliber organization and you want to become great. You GotTa take risks like you've got to take risks and I just got to go. The quarterbacks are getting way more protected in the NFL than they are in college football way more protected and I think he has the brain to mature enough to realize. I don't have to prove my toughness every single play. Get the ball out. And there's other places to play. I would take good stuff. Hey It's great to talk to you. I'm happy for your success. You've done well and you put in the work and you know maybe in a couple of months you come here to the man cave and we'll teach you how to throw a football. I'll listen Madison. That's the honor. I actually grew up on you. So it's a privilege I'm glad to be with you. Finally I would love to come to. The man cave can use all the help. I thank you Dan. We appreciate your time till Greenie. We set alot. I will be well. That's Dan Orlovsky wants a Yukon drafted by the lions and you know there's that it's not a highlight but it is a a highlight. That's a low light for Dan where he went out of the end zone. And you know. It was his self-imposed safe so he doesn't know that he's backing up to throw a pass. From his end zone he goes out of the end zone. And doesn't he have like a his charity or something or didn't he say something like he's all in favor of moving the end zone to eleven yards bowling? Dan Orlovsky twitter profile that he wrote. That's up on his twitter retired twelve year. Nfl Bet married to a cool chick. Danny Boys End Zone should be eleven yard. That's a good line. I will take a break. We'll come back a stat of the day. Update the poll results. Top of the hour. Bubba Watson will join US and boomer Esiason from CBS. Oh all of that coming up the next hour so thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch us. Every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio and you can find us on the iheartradio APP at FSR or stream. It live every day at Youtube dot com slash. The Dan Patrick. Show bull player. Of all time has resurfaced here. I'm not sure why because it feels like you're firmly planted in what your opinion is of who you think is the greatest of all time. And what happens is when we're growing up. We're so attached to those memories far more than we are when we get older. When you're twelve to twenty two that you just your your team is so important. The music you listen to is so important there my Cincinnati reds. The big red machine is the best nationally lineup. Ever in my my opinion Zeppelin is the best rock and roll band of all time. Iq have these opinions? It's hard to change my mind. When comes to that you can say hey? I got a nationally team that would rival the reds all right. I don't believe you. Hey I got a rock and roll band better than led Zeppelin. Okay Michael Jordan. Was it local for me? Michael Jordan was global. When you think about it and you know people watch Jordan. They were there. They understand the moment. And I don't know if anybody's going to say hey. I'm so passionate about Lebron James. He's the greatest player of all time. Michael Jordan is Neil Armstrong. He's the first guy to walk on the moon. Now there's twelve people. I think total of walked on the moon but when you go to a party and Neil Armstrong would be there. That dude walked on the moon. First Guy that's Michael Jordan. He was the first real global star and he's almost become mythological. When you think about it now Michael Jordan has become Babe Ruth like. Lebron can't compare can't compete with that Lebron's one of the guys who's walked on the moon but he might be the twelfth guy the ninth guy the eighth guy. Imagine if you're there and you have a conversation Neil Armstrong's there and you're one of the other guys Buzz Aldrin and you you were second but that okay. He was the first guy to walk on the moon. You can't win that argument. Mike is the first to do it. And he really gave the blueprint all these other athletes and Mohammed Ali. Was it with the team? He was global but he was an individual but Mike became global because of the Air Jordan Ali was global because he would fight around the world and it was different. Mike was with the team but also singular as a global spokesperson and a billionaire. It's just different. I think when Lebron is all said and done we'll have an argument at least a good discussion here because people ask me all the time. Hey you were there. When Jordan won all those titles Michael Jordan. If I'm going to win a game is the guy one out there. We do this argument with a quarterback who's the quarterback he wants to win game. Who's the guy you wanted to plate with the game online? Who's The pitcher you want on? Michael Jordan is that now. I can't argue with anybody else in that situation. Game on the line one game to win. Michael Jordan is the guy that I want leading my team. Do I think Lebron is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan? I do I do if you look at what. He's done the totality of his career. The style what he does at his size. There's no one like him. There's there's no one like him. In the history of the game. Magic was his but was not anywhere near the athlete. That Lebron is Lebron can score. He can rebound he can pass the. He's not the defender. Mike was but if I wanted to win a game on taking Michael Jordan I am. I saw it saw with my own eyes and until somebody proved different. He was the guy's much as I loved. Bird loved magic and I kept thinking this Jordan guy thinks he's as good as these guys and then when Mike put up sixty three on the Celtics and the garden. That's when Larry Bird said he realized. There's a new sheriff in town. There's like I realized I wasn't the best player in basketball. And that's from a guy who won three. Mvp's he knew he was not. That's what Mike did. He came in. And it was this Salami and all of a sudden you Kinda came up for air and you go. Is it coming back again? And it was. I would take him You know the greatest player of all-time yes. Yes Bill Russell one more. But that wasn't just bill singularly Michael go out and dominate Games. He would dominate opponents. He would make you cry. But if we're even doing the all-time drafts there. If I'm starting my team with anybody like I'd have a little bit of a debate between Kareem but the game has changed. Now what would Michael Jordan be likened? Today's gay would he be three point shooting guy? Would he be as effective? Which steph curry be more valuable? Because he's a great three point shooter. I got what would be like. Today would be better. Because he can shoot the three he could rebound he could pass. He could do all those things. He wasn't the defender Jordan lunch. Like what would magic would he be shooting more like? Those are the questions you had that you can't answer. But they're fund bubba Watson will join US and boomer Sunesson final hour.

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I would rather have the Angelo Russell, and I don't want Kyrie Irving, if he's coming by himself, because I learned the lessons of history. You give me a call. Eight seven to nine three seven seven six and let me know would you won't carry Irving by himself on the shell Pennzoil performance. I'm but for now here on the Stephen Smith show wanna welcome in a good friend of this show, my show and a rising star. ESPN's football analysts Dan Orlovsky on the Stephen a Smith show. What's up, Dan? How are you, man? I'm good. Let's talk a little football. Let's talk about what's going on in the National Football League. I want to start with the conversation that I've been having for some time Now, Dan. And that's on the new pass interference rule. The NFL has said and final two minutes of the game, some I in the sky, some omnipotent referee instant replay review booth official will be able to initiate review of not just pass interference, but anything called or not called on the field that they deemed to be clear and convincing and agree GIS. Whatever all that means man, Dan is much as I hate it. What happened in the NFC championship game? And I did. And I went on air and said injustice and yelled about it. I'm terrified of where this is going to lead the league and lead us as fans in the final two minutes of a game. Yeah. I mean, but the NFL had no option after what happened. They had no other option than to say, okay. We need to do something to address this and figure out and make sure that what did happen. Not the hypothetical of what may happen in the future, which we're talking about what the two minute under two minute situation. But what did happen never happens again? Their hands were tied. And that's why I was one of the people who said, all right. Well, let's, let's get this when it comes to pass interference. This should become something. That is a reviewable foul because you don't want a repeat of, of what was the basically the impossible now for the under two minute thing, obviously, becomes a little bit more of a unique situation because anybody who knows anything about football knows that passer have fastener parents happens basically, every hail Mary under two minutes situation. What the NFL needs to do and come together before preseason is maybe figure out a way to have a separate set of bylaws or something or set for set of circumstances that two minute under two minutes pass interference is judged differently or is ruled the differently or viewed differently. What however they figure it out because just having one person or an eye in the sky to deem like, what is there? Agreed is compared to another person's degree just how many times they get to look at it is their time is their time frame, where they get to look at it like that would be something I would entertain his. Hey, you get thirty seconds to actually review this. And if it's not obvious within thirty seconds, that it's not an obvious pass interference under two minutes, though, there's gotta be something some kind of stipulation that really allows it to not become ticky tacky. Yeah. But here's the thing talking to Dan Orlovsky here on the Stephen a Smith show with will Cain man is not just. Pass interference. Dan? It's going to be as you said, there's pass interference on almost every hail, Mary, you could argue almost any passing play in the NFL. There's also holding on almost any given away. There's also I had Tim Hasselbeck yesterday on the wheel can't he said there's rub routes. There's everything going on at any given moment. That's pushing the limits of the rule, and the idea that sometimes it's agreed and sometimes as ticky tack, we'll guess what? Ticky tack stuff also determines the outcomes of a game you know, in the NCW championship game, did it go off a, a Texas Tech players hander who who touched the ball lashed. You can do this in every single sport with seems small is a huge terming factor. And here's the deal, man. I'm just terrified it's going to be a Pandora's box where I, I agree. And I don't mean to cut off from sorry, but that's why think that being on the side of a timeframe because into replay was was really developed for the. Regis, miss the Omar. Gosh. How did we miss that? I don't need to take two looks to say, yes, that was the fouled like the rub stuff. That's usually like your we're figuring out you know if the guy's foot is past one yard or not. The rub stuff is the ticky tack stuff is never unforgivable, where the agreed to stuff that they miss is. So that's why I would say, like give them twenty second. If they can't figure it on twenty seconds and it's not a foul. Talking down or Lobski here on the wheel Cain show or rather the Stephen a Smith show with Wilkin today. This is the last thing on this thing, I'm gonna talk about if this is a Pandora's box, I think we're going to get to this. There's a chance. Dan, did six months down the road? We're gonna look at it and go, you know what I regret all of this? And I wonder if we're going to end up in a place where we're saying is the whole thing better without instant replay. Like we've had this idea that perfection is the goal we can get this. Right of technology allows us were there are people Now, Dan. Grozny Yano hooves argued look officials getting things wrong is a game condition like weather figured out deal with it, because that's better than breaking things down into slow motion frame by frame analysis of any given play. We're asking for with think we're asking for perfection we're asking for something insufferable and terrible. I just wonder Dan, if we're gonna get to a place where we're actually having a debate, but when I wish to even have instant replay together, dude, I've been saying this for four years. For four years, because this is what the NFL has done. They've gotten rid of a symptom. But they haven't attacked the issue. I've said this, we have officials in the NFL that are out of physical shape and over eight what's the number one? Number two things. The top two things that go when you get older, your physical health, your eyesight, and your ability to react, every NFL fischel struggles with that stuff. It's the most reactionary game in the world. All bet demand, the greatest reactionary eyesight in -bility to move in and out of space quickly. But the officials are too old. They're out of shape in their is aren't good enough. I've said this, they NFL needs to blow up the officiating situation, higher younger fficials, that have physical capabilities that have athletic background. They need to be tested physically year in year out. They need to pass a reactionary. Ear inn you out and they need to pass an eye test year in year out. And then you coat debate because the reality is that there's two teams on the field that play, and then another variable that because the officiating is become, so up and down. Sometimes it's great sometimes. It's terrible. And this it's they had such a big impact on the game. And they need to be treated productwise on the field. The same players are with health with full time employment with the demands that they have placed on them physically as players. There needs to be the same thing on the officials and no longer have the necessary the, the need for all this extreme all this extreme replay because older doing. It's like it's like it's like in a pre-nup for marriage. I if it gets bad, I can get out of it. There's always get out of jail free card for the officials because they have replay, but we need to raise the standards. But equip them to be better at their jobs because right now we asked them to basically do the impossible. I hear you. That's a fascinating argument. They need to put I agree a higher. Emphasis on getting the best officials on the field. The thing you can't test for though, maybe you can test for physical shape, and I signed variance, you can't touch test for judgment. And that's what most of it comes down to in most of it is just a judgment, exercise is this over the line is this against the rules is this, how is this compared to the rule book and you can't really test for that, man? The thing that I would do the one thing I would change is I would put everything including the final two minutes into the coach's hands part of their challenge because that's something that the game players can control. That's game management like timeouts. That's an egregious foul. Why didn't have a challenge? We should manage that better. Or you should have thrown the red flag. That was clear. I hate that I hate that you hate that cause some coaches are really good coaches, and they do a lot of great things. But they might handle the own my goodness. Should I have thrown the red flag here in this situation? Or do I trust the eye in the sky for that? I have been my booth like. You a coach might lose or win a game for his team. It has nothing to do with his ability to coach, the Xs and os or be a leader. He might just make a hold on, on your own to hire. Muddy hold on a. He would presumably have somebody on staff in his own team review booth who could help them along the way that's one or a and number two, it puts a lid on it like it puts a lid on the number of challenges puts accountability on the game players if it stays with the refs anything could happen any given time we could be stopping every single play because we both agree, there's a foul. There's there's a penalty on every single play. There's no lid on this thing. Well, I get that. I just be it's hard enough to, to be a really good coach in the NFL. And then, but then, like, how many people do we think are really good at seeing that stuff? I don't know how many guys like so you mean to tell me that if the team has a guy that's really, really good at it up in the boot and a team has guy. That's he's just okay at it one team has a distinct advantage then because of that. And I don't know how many guys out there are that good at it that, like, oh, you know, then do we value them over the officials more some side countries better, managing timeouts and others. Andy Reid is separate from, I don't wanna team to get into the playoffs or not get into the playoffs, just because their head coaches guy up in the box sues supposed to see certain things is, is just okay added. Or he's got the flu that morning or something like that. And he's, you know, like I, I don't like that. I think that the officials should become full-time. They should. Be. It's nine billion dollar a year business. So let's invest into variable of the game that truly has a part in playing. What the outcome is. And that's the officiating Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio. Wilkinson for Stephen A hanging out with ESPN NFL and football analysts, Dan Orlovsky by Stephen Smith show is brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics, taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today. Let's keep it on coaches then damn one of the stories coming out of football. Is that Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley has a new deal? And as part of that, there'll be a four point six million dollar buyout should any NFL team. Come calling for Lincoln Riley. I know you're a big fan. I also think by the way in listening to you. Talk about you don't necessarily want another responsibility on the shoulders of a head coach like timeout management and replay management. You value scheming man of hung out with you for while I've listened to you and you're really good at it. But you value scheming is Lincoln Riley, then a guy that you've ow. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean that four point six is going to make any NFL team. Blink could promise you that it might take it might make another college team blink with no NFL organization is going to blink it that this is where as I've kind of, you know, started to look into Lincoln Riley a little bit more. I think I've said this on your show. This is where he has separated himself from Colin coaches, for sure. And even coaches in general into the NFL. I've heard him talk. And they were talking about how he teaches quarterbacks in the installed their offense and nowadays. What do you see in high school football college football? And even sometimes the NFL like teams get the line of scrimmage, LA blah, blah pretend stuff, and they look to their coach coach. Tell me what the defense is doing. You Signi the signal me and all my teammates to play 'cause you're gonna get us into the perfect play. And I know that we're gonna be okay. Right. So you haven't forced their quarterback to be a problem. Solver. At all. And that's what great quarterbacks are problem solvers Lincoln Riley has gone the opposite. And he has talked about listen, there's no play in his game plan that he doesn't have his quarterback prepare for any and all types of situations and he teaches his quarterbacks we don't have to be in the best play, but I always will give you answers, you will know what to do with the football versus everything. It may not be the best play and I'm not here to be your parent bailing, you out of a bad situation when you're nine years old, but I'm going to teach you that if we had this play, I wanna give you all kinds of answers, there's all kinds of defenses that what that does for quarterbacks when you step out on the field, you break the huddle and you get the line of scrimmage you feel like the baddest dude on the field. You feel you are empowered because, you know, there's nothing that defense can do against you that you don't have an answer for. And that's what is the reality. Of it will is that's hard to do with coaching. It's not lazy coaching it's having to spend more time teaching in figuring out and then getting your kids to understand it, but it's not lazy and that's why he's separated himself is because he has given the tools equipped his quarterbacks for for doomsday where so many other coaches are trying to live in Topi. Okay. One last thing on Lincoln Riley with Danilov ski here. If you were an NFL team, it's possible. Maybe probably you're going to be in the head coaching search a year from now. Obviously one of the teams people mentioned could be in that situation of the Dallas Cowboys you have before you options across the NFL and college football. You could go for Sean Payton, perhaps in New Orleans, you'd go for Lincoln rallied, Oklahoma. I don't know why Dabo Sweeney his name is never mentioned for an NFL candidacy, but you could have anybody in college or pro football. Who do you want, then or lousy? Still say, Sean McVay, just because I know more about Sean, when it comes to his leadership, I know more about Sean, when it comes to his understanding that you're in, I might have the same set of standards. And you and I might have the same goals, but he knows that I'm meeting differently than unique things as brilliant of a schematic mind as he is. He's exponentially better with understanding each guy is different and they need different tools to get where I want them to get. So I'd still say him, but if I had to just if I had to drop down the ranks and pick a college guy, I would I would probably pick Lincoln Riley or Daboh, but I'd pick Lincoln Riley strictly because I there's he's untapped as well. Like he's just getting started. All right. Dan, Orlov ski ESPN football analyst here in the Steve Smith show was Wilkin always love having you, man. Thank you for your time, brother. One of the things really quickly about the Lincoln Riley, Sean McVeigh's of the world, measured against the dabbled twenties of Clemson, for the world is, I think that the NFL constantly values scheming, having the next hot thing having the guy who can design an offense to not just put your team in a winning position but to attract eyeballs and become the envy of everybody else in the room when the one proven thing to establish yourself as a year in year out contender, his leadership, those, your guy have leadership characteristics Orlovsky talked about it when it comes to Sean McVeigh, because he's not just a schemer we're going to find that out about guys like cliff, Kingsbury and others that have followed the McVeigh scheming quarterback development genius route. But if you're looking at the one trait that is continued to dominate the NFL. It's the trait possessed by Bill Belichick, its leadership is disciplined is crossing your TS dotting, your is it is finding Val. You were others ignore if that's what we know I'm just curious. Why do we constantly overlook a guy in college football who's proven to have the same kind of traits? Why we constantly overlook Dabo twenty at Clemson, the Stephen Smith show will Cain filling in for Stephen vast. Do you want career moving on his own? If you're the Brooklyn nets or anybody else out there and maybe get Kevin Durant. Maybe you don't you take the gamble of having kyri on his own by himself. Would you really trade from diangelo Russel to Cairo Erving? Andrew in New Jersey. What's up Andrew on Steve? Nice michaud. How's it? So we'll never. How's it? Going out there. Don't be nervous. Spin it out. What's up man? Yes. So personally for me, I'd rather have Cairo over the angel and I got. Well, and I got a reasons for why these. Deal with the first reason as at the beginning in the end of the season. Charissa Vert was the better player on the Mets. He's Simone really one first playoff game against Filadelfia and then he did play very well before the off. He went down with that devastating injury. And then to during that seven game winning streak. I'd say that Spencer did what he was more of an x factor than Russell before the end of the James growth, the while Dinwiddie did win that most of the games. All right. I appreciate your reasons Andrew. And thank you for the call allow me to lay out a few Dangelo Russell or Kyrie Irving. Would you trade from one to the other the only way to fairly compare this to measurement the same point in their careers? Right now, Kyrie Irving is the better talent than the ngelo Russell. But he's also four years older. He's twenty seven years old to Dangelo Russell's twenty three years old Zach Lowe, a new common ESPN dot com said almost every executive pulled in the NBA would. Take. Over de ngelo Russell even with the supposed five million dollar savings. You would get in maxing out both players, what the ngelo Russell looks like he could cost versus what kyri Irving could cost the overwhelming majority picked Kyrie Irving. But let us measure them at the same point in their careers because who could the ngelo Russell become again? Russell's Twenty-three, Kyrie irvings, twenty seven five million dollars projected difference in the two players at the age of twenty three Tyree Irving averaged twenty one points and five assists at the age of twenty three this year. Deangelis Russell average, twenty one points and seven assists. Kyrie's a better shooter shop better from three something like forty two percent to thirty seven percent. Kyrie's of better finisher de ngelo. Russell doesn't get to the rim and finishing same way, Kyrie Irving, does very few people do, but the Andrew Russell has trouble finishing at the rim. Regardless. This is laid out again by Zach Lowe. He's good at getting into the paint. His good at putting defenders on his hip, and then he's good at dishing the ball or shooting a mid range jumper. But one thing we know about Korean addition to his pluses are is negatives. Kyrie Irving has leadership questions. Kyrie Irving has been in two situations. Two locations now where he's said to have had issues Cleveland and Boston. If you have issues. Indentation one and you have issues in destination to why do you think destination? Three is going to be the perfect fit third time's, a charm, it might just be it. The issue is you if they're following you around. Can you keep telling yourself you have bad luck? Or are you the issue? Chemistry leadership, locker room presence in history, suggest, you have to discount, kyri, Irving. That's why I'd take Dangelo Russell over career having if I were the Brooklyn nets, and why would have serious questions about signing up for Cairo Irving by himself buyer, beware the warning is there on the label. Do you want Cairo? You're having by himself in Brooklyn. That's next on the Stephen a Smith show, hosted by Wilkin on ESPN radio. You'll seem to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Let's say you're not gonna get Kevin Durant. He still won't kyri even by himself. Nothing's I'll pass Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio will Cain filling in for Stephen A can only catch me, three to six eastern on ESPN radio and on ESPN news. And if you missed any of the show today, go, check it out on demand. The Steven Naismith podcast brought to you by the Capital, One saver card earn four percent cashback on dying there. Two percent of grocery stores in one percent on all of their purchases. What's in your wallet? Go get that podcast. You'll hear me lay out my top five players under the age of twenty five who could be the best player on a championship team. I think that we have learned, Kyrie Irving. Regardless of age is not one of those guys that was the grand experiment in Boston. That was why he purportedly left Cleveland when do his own thing, he wanted to be the alpha he wanted to be the one A and he went to Boston where he had a golden. An opportunity, he was surrounded by in theory, several eight minus type players. Al horford. Jason Tatum, Gordon Hayward before the nasty injury. It took him away. He was surrounded by also supporting cast below that, that made the Boston Celtics look like a team that many of us said, they'll be contending for a decade, this might be the next dynasty. This might be the team set up to take down the Golden State Warriors kyri was given his chance to be that one. A he was given that chance to show. He's a superstar given that chance to show he's the best player on a championship team. And he proved he is not. He had issues in Boston just like he had issues in Cleveland in my bed is he'll have issues in Brooklyn or wherever else. He goes, if he is put in a situation where he is the one A and he is the leader of a bunch of young guys. As the saying goes, I know in Texas. I hear sometimes in Tennessee as well. Fumi wants shame on you foamy twice. Shame on me. Third time is a bad bet to be a charm for kyri. No, he is the supporting cast. He is the minus player. He is the all star next to a superstar. I signed kyri if he's the bait if he's the lure to bring in a superstar. If he's the lure to bring in Kevin Durant. But without Kevin Durant. I'll take a pass on kyri as does ESPN bay front office insider, Bobby marks, you said this on golick and wingo yesterday. So if you'd asked me in November, if I would rather have Kyrie Irving or Daniel Russell, I would've said, Kyrie Irving hands down. If you ask me today, I would say I'd rather have the ngelo Russell. I have flashbacks of their Williams. Okay. Well, I mean, I'm just. I didn't think you drop that big. I'm probably still mentally scarred, by the Darren Williams experiment, and Brooklyn and I could see that happening in Brooklyn. I think when you star chase there's a lot, too good to it. But I think there's a lot of downside to it too, and I don't see Kyrie Irving, as a number one guy. I think rings a heck of a player but I would not want him by himself. I mean that's just points him and I agree. But if the Brooklyn has decided to go with Kyrie Irving, and certainly, if they get Kevin Durant to go along that will cast Dangelo Russell out into the free agent market at the Angela Russell's out there mini suggesting one of the popular landing spots might just be a reunion tour of forgiveness tour in LA, Daniel Russell with LeBron James DeAngelis, Russell with AD in L A with the Lakers. That's all predicated on the idea that the Brooklyn nets choose kyri over. Dangelo. Russell. Tyron in Connecticut. What's up, you're on the Stephen Smith show with Wilken? Well, I just want to make two points about home games will Russ versus Kyrie Irving. I think I think what we forget, what you were saying about Bill Belichick. I know it seems a little bit different at their primes as Lois in report. But Dangelo Russell is basically, at the same point when we view them as urban Indiana larusso at there at the same age. Daniel Russell is actually on to come up, and he's actually building a better team. You showing more chemistry with his team, and he's able to defer to, to, to other teammates are the guys make a planning about Carro sliver and, and another gentleman on a nets the other point I wanted to make is Daniel Russell, when you think about the situation he's come through from from Los Angeles. Even if you add, it a free being named free agent with them later. I think he'd handle the situation better base on experience, Kyrie Irving by himself. He's just kind of your when he played for the Cavaliers we've seen this before the only support, we have with Irvine is daddy, one will LeBron James we team Cowdery by. So I totally agree Taryn. We know. I mean, there's a chance we get surprised in his third location with her chances. He fits like a glove that it gets along with every team mate, there's a chance that he arrives someplace at the age of twenty seven we didn't expect them to be as superstars won a but we have so much evidence to suggest otherwise he was alone in Cleveland before LeBron. How was that he was with LeBron? He showed he could be clutch. We showed he could step up as a one b as a two and then he was put in charge in Boston. That's a pretty dang good sample size. That's a pretty good experiment. You run out. And the Angela Russell an important point Tarrant chose there. He's fit pretty well this year with Brooklyn at his problems in LA, but no chemistry issues in Brooklyn Frederick in LA. What's up Frederick? You rated forgive de ngelo. Russell and welcome back to the Lakers. Yes, sir. I am and I appreciate the call. Mister Cain longtime fan. First time caller would you? I, I like the move with us getting Russell back. And I think it just shows that we made a mistake, when we got rid of him to go with their Lonzo ball experiment. All right. Thank you for the call Frederick. Here's the thing, again, I had even a front office insider from ESPN Bobby marks in the show a little bit earlier. And he said, I don't think that's the right move the Lakers going after the Angela Russell, and it's less to do with Russell. Certainly nothing to do with his past certainly nothing to do with putting swaggie peas business out on Snapchat. Remember, that's what went so bad, the first time around spos- swaggie p for cheating on eighty Zeljan Snapchat. No. Let us not forget, by the way, the diangelo Russel, tried to smuggle, some weed in an era Zona ice, tea box, or can through TSA bonehead of all bonehead moves smuggling contraband inside of contraband to get onto a airline. But rather with Bobby marks it is with the Lakers need to do is fill at that roster break up that twenty four million dollars. They might have in cap space among several players to Danny, Green's. Trevor REEs is JJ relics of the world gets shooting around the brawn and Anthony Davis now. Pour it all into one player that you hope is the third superstar or third all-star break it up put a real team together. And by the way, speaking of real teams one more from our man made several is on the show today as we approach free agency one more from Bobby Mars who's trying to sell me. Some snake oil when it comes to the New York Knicks trying to sell me that it's all going to be okay. Trying to pump sunshine where it doesn't belong. I don't think that's the worst case scenario. I get it. You know, they made a Christopher zingers trade, and you created seventy million room ended a day that trade wasn't done to get to max guys that trade was done because they did not want to pay Kristaps Porzingis one hundred and fifty eight million dollars. And they got tired of his act. That was the real reason why. And, and I think the, the problem that New York had is that they get out in front in the in the public and said, we're going to get to, to really good players. That's where they got off message here where now you know, instead of focusing on rebuilding now, everyone thinks all right, we've got seventy million. We're gonna go out and get two guys here in the likelihood is that they probably won't. And I don't think that's the worst case in world. Please Bobby love you, Bobby, please. He can't sell that down here, you can't sell it to me. You can't sell its New Yorkers. You can't sell me to superstar. You can't sell me free agent cap space. You can't sell me that we're getting rid of Crips off porzingas, and it's partially because he didn't want to be there parse because you had to trade him, but also partially because you thought that makes it possible to get Kevin Durant. You can't take me from Kevin Durant, and Kyrie Irving to twenty twenty one. You can't tell me oh, we're gonna punt for little bit build this thing, organically, you're not the nets build this thing, organically, you're not the pelicans build this thing with RJ, Barron. Dennis Smith junior and Frank, ntilikina. Oh, and I know the fridge and class stinks next summer, but don't worry because there's bright and sparkling twenty twenty one you can't pump that sunshine here. When they do with that. It's kind of nonsense. It's a little too prevalent right here from the higher. Echelons of the NBA from the higher reaches the higher offices of the NBA. That's the kind of stuff is telling me words, like owner are now offensive that governor is the way that we're going to turn them in the NBA, jaw here, that story, Adam silver told TMZ, we're not going to use the word owner. It's racially insensitive. We're going to move towards the term governor. Governor you wanna be a finished? You're gonna find a way to make that offensive as well. You realize that colonial? Rulemakers were called governor, you realize the British put governors in charge in India and Africa, you realize you can make anything offensive if you want. Owner objective. Meaning of owning assets owning logos owning trademarks owning teams, just like owning a paint retailer. You don't own the employee's you employ. The employee's you work with them. You don't own them. It's not just a offensive concept. It's a prestigious concept one that Michael Jordan achieved in Stephen Jackson told Rachel Nichols on the jump. It's one to everyone should aspire to owning. But in two thousand nineteen up is down and down his up in anything can be offensive because fended is power so get to work governor. That your next power grab governor. That's offensive. Sell me up is down in down is up. I know Bobby marks to have anything to say about that. That's not what he was talking about. But he was selling me down, when I know it's up. He was selling me the Knicks out somewhere to go when I know they don't. And while we're at it, you know what I really like Houston Rockets, GM, Daryl, Maury really do. But he's also selling me down is up and up down. He selling me that the rockets don't have any problems, and they're front, runners, you gotta here with Daryl Morey said, I got the sound. I got a few things to say about it next on the Stephen Smith show, hosted by Wilkin. Just what you're in the middle of the Stephen with show podcast, debit. See how many things Daryl Maury can tell me in one statement that I don't believe rockets, don't have any problems. They're front runners and they're about to get one more big time player. I'll play some sound from Daryl Morey in just a moment. We counted up, how many things mice having trouble accepting the Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio, presented by progressive insurance. Make an easy to bundle your home and car insurance. We'll Cain filling in for Stephen A today. You can normally catch me three to six eastern on ESPN radio and on ESPN news made up the shell Pennzoil performance line really quickly one in North Carolina. I was talking about the idea of the absurdity that NBA's distancing itself from the concept with a word of ownership and moving towards calling its leaders its team owners, governors. What do you have to say? One. Well, thanks for taking my call them. The only thing I gotta break up on the they're basing that off of all majority of the owners are of life defense. But are you gonna say the same thing to the Jaguars owner who is not white descent? Are you gonna tell him he's got an owner, or you're gonna tell that to Michael Jordan, or LeBron James who I'm own brand, that everybody loves in the NBA. I mean, I think it's absurd to say that. Hey, you're an owner. You tend you call it that anymore because you're an owner. I just I just think it's ridiculous. The thing about is one we're reaching the level absurdity that one of two ways we go here. We're just going down a slippery slope where we drop off a cliff at some point into complete insanity. And that's very possible or the insanity. Gets so obvious that at some point we check ourselves as a side and we go man, we've gotten to the point where we're telling us we're telling ourselves at the word owner is insensitive, or offensive, an objectively benign word is insensitive. Or offensive. I honestly don't know which way society goes but I knew one thing. There's no way in hell. That's an offensive concept or offensive word. And you only have to squint because at one point and time it was used in a certain context. Regarding institution. That was an original sin that was a hornet an American history, but does not therefore after change the meaning of the word. Sanity must reign. It must or he'll who knows. Maybe we just all go insane. Ragas GM, Daryl Morey was at the NBA awards ceremonies last night, where he said this about everything that's been going on with the Houston Rockets. I think we're gonna have our starting five top level, mid level. You know, maybe we'll do better than that. And we're going to be the favorites. In the last I sure we were the best team down the stretch with that group. And that's without adding one more quality player like we're gonna do. So most teams are scrambling to keep their starting years. Together, we got ours gone the next year. All right more. He also said that any drama has been completely overstated. There's no problems in Houston among its players. I loved, I really do innovative forward thinking also full of it. I believe here, I can't believe there's no problems between CPI three and James harden too much smoke. That house not to be on fire. I'm not telling you, it's burning down. But don't tell me there's not a fire inside that house somewhere. And by the way, you've already got your starting lineups sorted out. While I do believe everybody was on the trading block. But for James harden just a few weeks ago, and I understand things have changed in the league. Kevin durant. Pops his achilles Klay. Thompson goes down. And she could check the whole thing up, please. Just couple of weeks ago that everybody clothing. You're starting lineup was up for grabs one more player, yet the nine million dollar mid level exception, will see what kind of difference maker that brings in your favorites. You were the best team down the stretch last year. We'll see about that Denver Nuggets are gonna have something to say Utah Jazz. We're going to have something to say no, you know what? I'm also not writing off the Golden State Warriors, not just yet. And of course, the Los Angeles Lakers are going to have something to say. No, I'm not buying. Darrelle more is selling. I'm not buying with Bobby marks told me about the New York Knicks having some silver lining to this off season. If it all goes belly up, and I'm sure as hell, not buying that owner is an offensive term. I laid all this out, including we did our first segment here on Steve Naismith show, the best young cores, and NBA on my Instagram. You can go check it out. See will Cain on Instagram and you can always check me out, three to six eastern on ESPN radio. Just a sample of what you'll hear on the Stephanie swift show. Weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app.

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Hour 1: Baker Good, Hue Bad

Izzy and Spain

34:59 min | 2 years ago

Hour 1: Baker Good, Hue Bad

"Welcome to Spain and Fitz podcast Browns fans. The world is with you. Get out. There celebrates have all the beer you possibly can and rejoice in the thing that gives any franchise tremendous hope thinking you have a quarterback. That's the thing you can come today. You can look at it today and say, we have a quarterback. The problem is the next part of that statement is we have a quarterback, but we don't have a coach in Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, the ESPN app and siriusxm Jason Fitz flying solo tonight and look, this is that moment in, you know, I can't say this loud enough. The entire football community has been smiling today. Have you noticed it? You walk around the halls, you see your NFL fan buddies. Everybody's high five and everybody doesn't matter what your favorite team is. Ralph high five. Each other Saint finally for the love of all things, holy, the Browns won. There's this rejoicing. Everybody's. So stoked for Cleveland fans, right? We're all looking at this Cleveland situation saying, good Lord. Finally, they get one, but it's not just that they got one, it's how they got him. Remember in his money after we got off air last night, we were sitting around just a shooting the breeze chitchatting said, man, you know what the magical ending would be. The magical ending would be tyrod, comes in struggles finds himself out of the game. Baker Mayfield comes in leads to the dramatic comeback. Now, obviously, Toronto issues weren't struggling in concussions are always very, very serious. But you've got a situation where Baker Mayfield comes in and the hype train gets rolling. Baker Mayfield comes in and improvises. Baker Mayfield comes in and shows you playmaking energy, excitement, things that we haven't said about the Browns in years. It's not just that they won. It's how they want. It's the style points that matter. But you cannot with. Right mind. Look at the style points you saw from Baker Mayfield and not look at the sideline and say, hey, Hugh Jackson, what in God's green earth are you thinking. Because there's one or two things here. If you're Cleveland fan, you got one or two realities. I'm not gonna make you soak those realities and quickly. I'm just going to tell it to you now planet in the back of your brain, give it a little time, let it grow. We're gonna plant the seed of reality this weekend when the haze of hangover dries up, you can look at it and actually face these realities. Right reality. Number one is you saw a quarterback, play incredibly well. What does that mean when you see that energy that excitement that vibe? What does it mean? Well, it means your quarterback either either. He's awful. The practice and the coaching staff didn't see it or or your coaching staff sought and did nothing about it. This is a defining moment for Hugh Jackson. This is the defining moment for the organization because the organization right now has got to decide what's right. This isn't about whatever Jackson they need moving forward. This is about an organization realizing what they need for their fans, what they need for their city, what they need for their franchise and what they need is some outs a hope, and they finally got it. But the other side of that coin, man, you look at the side of hope. You look at the other side, where's your hope coming from on the sideline? Because if if Baker Mayfield sustainably that good and your coach is so terrible, he can't see it. You gotta coaching problem am. I guy will came, you know, I love willgame. McCain was talking about Hugh Jackson's president's early on the wheel gain show. This is what he said. Baker Mayfield was ready. Why wasn't Hugh Jackson? Was he afraid to win? You wanna laugh that prospect, you wanna laugh at that idea, welcome to the world. Jimmy people are afraid to win the world's full of people who are frayed to win. It's full of people who only one avoid failure. You got a winner on your team in Baker Mayfield get him on the field. He was ready from the start, the guy that was ready to play the guy to give you the best chance to win the guy that was clearly ready was Baker Mayfield, and that says something not. Flattering about the people that held him back about Hugh Jackson. Now we'll gain is absolutely right. The Baker Mayfield looked ready to play. The problem is we'll canes wrong about the first part of that. You are not an NFL head coach. If you're afraid to win. There are thirty two head coaches in the NFL. Will you have lost your mind? All right. There is not as you don't get to be an NFL head coach. If you're afraid to. I understand the analogy. We all know that guy that guy, there's really talented your friend that is capable of so much just always gets in his own way. I understand that. We'll see. I understand what you're thinking about will, but it doesn't apply to NFL head coaches for the love of God. Hugh Jackson won eight games with the raiders. All right. Hugh Jackson has one football game with a bad franchise. You don't get there if you're afraid to win. I'm not going to come in here and say, Hugh Jackson's afraid to win. I'm gonna come here to say, huge accents incapable of winning. There's a difference. Remember Hughes had more than one NFL. Owner decide to hire him. We my God. He's one of the interview process twice. But you gotta look at this at some point. You have to look at this and say, what does it mean when you see a quarterback that great, what does it mean? It doesn't mean that the coach is afraid to win. It means the coach is in good enough at seeing talent in practice. It means a coach is in good enough at trusting the players that he has in front of him. It means a coach can't be trusted to coach the talent he has because he's not putting his best players in a situation where they can be successful every single Sunday. What's an NFL hope head coach's job to make the team better. Right? What's an NFL head coach's job to find ways to win? Hugh Jackson is supposed to be an offensive guru. He's supposed to be an offense of mastermind. That's why here. Would you learned from last night's game isn't just the Baker Mayfield looks ready. It isn't just the Baker Mayfield looks like he could be a guy. He could be guy that lives up to hype out. We're we're to get into some of the overreaction later. It's not just those pieces. You saw what you also saw as an organization is one of two things. Your quarterback is incapable of practicing in a level that coaches could see that which is they concern moving forward. If you want to buy that argument, it's a concern moving forward, or you saw the coach standing on the sideline is absolutely not capable of identifying talent and putting talent in the best possible situation when the hangover settles that's the reality Browns fans will have to figure out straight ahead, our quarterback guru. Dan Orlovsky is next. I've an important question about Baker Mayfield. They will help me decide the future of the Browns will ask it to Dan next Spain and Fitz on ESPN. Radio, Spain, and Fitz. We're going to have a conversation about quarterbacks. It's best to talk to a quarterback, Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty. I'm Jason Fitz flying solo tonight. ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance, and we're going to head to the shell Pennzoil performance line where I rave about him every week. ESPN's Dan Orlovsky joins us, Dan. I don't think anybody here does a better job of breaking down quarterback. So we really wanted to get you on to talk a little bit about Baker. So I wanna start here with Baker Mayfield from what you saw last night. Is it possible that what the coach's saw last night was a different Baker Mayfield than what they've seen in practice. Probably not. You know. I mean, certainly guess environment was bigger and the moment was bigger and the competition in actual live environment was different, but I would imagine Baker has continuously impressed them. I mean, acre last night looked like the Baker that was at Oklahoma and incomplete controllable was going on with his game, the ability to be accurate and small, windows anticipation, fearless, you know, I always say some great quarterbacks have this, this trait that you care enough not to care and watching Baker last night. I saw that where you have such a care for what you're doing that you don't care what the result is, and that's sounds weird, but it's this, it's this careless belief of of everything you've done up until that moment has. Pared you for it that you can go play in that free matter in, you don't have any worry of the circumstance. You don't have any worry at the result. You're just so in the moment that you don't care what the result is because you believe in you trust that the result is going to end up the way you want it because of everything you've done leading up to that. What's what's stunning to me Dan, is that you now that you're the third former NFL player. I've talked to today that has described the way Baker played in those words, which is really alarming to me when you think about it, obviously means something talked to you and two other guys that played in the league at different positions. All talking about that same thing. So how can this just how can this coaching staff justify given the way he played last night? The fact that he hasn't played the first two weeks. Well, I say, you know, Hugh Jackson, it's not like tyrod Taylor was a bum, right? That's what we, you know, some people are failing to realise in a way when you took Baker, you know, the conventional wisdom is okay. You sit young guys, you sit young is until they proved to you, whether it's in the preseason or whatnot, they're they're ready to handle everything that comes with being the c of a billion dollar company and other Browns came out early on and said, we're not going to go down that road because their situation is so unique. I mean, they're coming off one in thirty one and a two year stretch and Hugh Jackson has a coat had to sit back and go, all right, I've got this new system that taught Haley's bringing ill quarterback to rod Taylor who's been in a couple of different systems over the last four or five years. I need to win a game within the first month or on being fired, and that's, that's the variable that's not getting. Talked about when it comes to, why was it Baker starting? You're not. It's they, they were never. Baker was never given that opportunity to prove that he was the better option because shoe had to go, okay, who's who gives me the best option to win a game in that first month to save my job? And just looking at it in paper on paper. If you go back to say, journey, July and August, it's Toronto Taylor, it is because you go, here's a veteran who system, Todd Haley, got it, complex offense. We've added some pieces. I just need to get a win. As long as I get a win, then I can make the move. But if I make this move and I and Baker, you know plays, okay as a rookie. But we go, oh, and three hundred and four, I'm fired, and then I'll never know. So I understand everybody going. Well. How did you not make this move earlier? But there's a variable there that Hugh Jackson was literally by the day trying to find a way to. Save is it just happened to be that Baker was the one to do it. We're talking to Dan Orlovsky on the shell Pennzoil performance line, and you say proved to you, but one of the things you alluded to on your Twitter yesterday, which by the way at Dan Orlovsky seven follow at great breakdown and stuff as it happens and one of the things you alluded to his, how impressive it was. The Baker did this without any time with the starters at practice, if he's not getting time with the starters at practice, how can you even prove if he is ready to a coaching staff. Yeah, I just don't believe he was given the opportunity because I don't believe it was ever part of the plan. I truly in my gut believe the plan was played to rod, get us a win in early on, find find a win within that first three, four weeks. Okay. We're not getting fired. We're going to get to Tober because I think it was that it was that tumultuous a situation. You're Jackson, you know, because there's been a lot of public outcry and hard knocks wasn't great to him. And a truly believed that that was the plan, just get a win. And then Baker is going to have the opportunity to prove to us and so, but like your point, that's the thing that stood out to me last night. I know what it's like to be a backup, and I know what it's like to go. You know, you get some reps and camp, no doubt and maybe some, you know, more than than not at the backup will get some reps at the ones. Baker never did. So you're certainly running this offense, but it's with all the backups. You got some reps with some starters in the preseason game, because. Dirac got hurt, but then you've gone basically three weeks really without getting reps with the starters and for people to understand how difficult that is to to go twenty twenty one twenty two days and not run your job with the people that you're doing your job with. And then it comes to the moment of you've gotta go run that job with the people. You've never run it with and do it at a high level is remarkable and no one can take that away from maker last night. Nobody can take that away. And that's the thing is everybody needs to think about what they do for their career and think about not doing it for because he hasn't taken a single in the Cleveland Browns offense for three weeks. So think about not doing your job for three weeks and you're only done it for four or five months, not doing your job for three weeks. And then all of a sudden happened to go do your job at the highest level with people use. Never done it before. I mean, that's special and I'm not. I'm. Not putting the gold jacket on the kid. I'm just saying last night or that singular moment was very rare in very impressive. So give me the opposite side of events drop dropping a ton of knowledge here. Dan Orlovsky joining us on the shell Pennzoil performance line. The argument that that counters his success is, will you know what the jets didn't have any opportunity to get any film on him? Is there any credence to that argument in your mind from what you've experienced? No, there is. There's some legs to it now. It doesn't mean like some people think it's gospel, like if somebody plays good and then you owe the were weren't. Someone gets film on them. He's gonna come back down to earth, and I'm like, well, people have had philmont Brady and Brees Rogers and office burger again, Marino and trae C'mon and they had one of those guys for a long time, a neighbor really good. So. My thing with young quarterbacks that come in and play well is it really takes six games to go, okay. What do we have here? You wanna have and and you have to look at the whole picture because a perfect example is like Dak Prescott who two years ago in two thousand sixteen played it a good level and played it at impressive level, but he had everything around him was the almost a perfect scenario, dominant offensive line dominant run game. Those things allow quarterbacks to to play at really good levels. When you have an offensive line that keeps pressure off you quarterback store interceptions or make decisions because of pressure. If you're not dealing with that pressure of literally defensive lineman coming unblocked or free free runners in the blitz game, well, that those decisions don't have to be as perfect in such a finite amount of time. So you need about six games to go take, what are we working with and then see what's going on around them. You know, our. They dealing with some of the decision making things that quarterbacks have to do it. It's such a short period of time. Are they getting beat up a little bit but still responding? Do they have to throw in tight windows are guys wide open? You know, it's so the loser, the things that you really it's, it's almost like RG three Archie threes rookie year was impressive. No doubt, but dues were wide open up and down the football field. So yeah, he was gonna play well so that there's some legs to it, but after six games get a decent idea. And then I, you know, it's really two years to go, okay. All encompassing is this is this guy the the future. The Carson Wentz that we finally got to see over last year over a full course of the season go, whoa, that guy's different work. Good for a decade. So real quick, Dan, before we let you go. The other side of that was Sam darnold. Obviously, last night we're only three games into his six games. As you said, your impressions there on Sam. My impressions are exactly what I thought they would be. I'm incr-. Terribly impressed with the kid. We love him coming out of the draft. He played fantastic week one outside of that bonehead play. He played really good week to against the dolphins. He's best player in the field best player on the field and week. Three last night played pretty good. Now his stat line looks worse because of what happened those last two drives. But this is the reality and everyone wants. I I've got killed on social media of the last six weeks, but as the season goes, it's not. We've got on Sam darnold there. The flaws of that team are starting to show. They don't have a good offensive line and they don't have weapons on the outside. People could tell me all they want that that receiving course really good. It's it. It doesn't scare people when you go on the road against the defense like the Browns, those weapons don't scare people. So Sam darnold and that was my thing. If you're going to start, have you better be ready to take his lumps? 'cause the people around him are not are not great complimentary pieces. And so Sam darnold is the is. Is exactly where he should be. It is gonna be a long twenty eighteen and you hope and sees this way. But you hope he just has the mental makeup the courage to nasty to continue to just throw haymakers and throw haymakers, throw haymakers and have a big picture view of his career. Well, you guys will be incredibly impressed with Dan Orlovsky tune in tomorrow, Kansas state versus West Virginia. Three thirty PM eastern on ESPN. Also he's gives you the smartest minute on Twitter as part of the college football show that a host and always love your incitement. Thanks for coming on with us. Thanks for everybody to have a night man such good stuff from Dan. And again, you can get to Kansas state versus West Virginia, three thirty PM eastern tomorrow on ESPN great job calling the games and during the college football show on Twitter, he gives you the smartest minute really cool breakdown. You won't want to miss this week. Straight ahead fans always do it to themselves even though they shouldn't and it's happening. Again, we're going to try to break the cycle next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Rickie always wanted to play baseball in the majors. He was playing camps before he could walk practically lived in the batting cages. He was behind home plate more than he was home and one day after all that hard work be found himself walking into a major league baseball stadium. After buying tickets at the gate, a news bleed seats obscured by a poll, but he was in there. No, Ricky never did play in the big leagues, but he did switch his car insurance to gyco proud partner of major league baseball, which saved him a lot. So well in all things were good. I get the excitement. I understand all the good fields. I understand very intimately what it's like to be the fan of a terrible team that watches a quarterback. It says, oh my God, we have hope, but guys, you can't let this cycle continually repeat, Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, the ESPN app siriusxm channel eighty. I'm Jason Fitz fine. Solo ESPN. Radio presented by progressive insurance, commercial insurance through progressive protects your business and your dream choose from over thirty coverage options at progressive commercial dot com. And we're going to have a confessional here because this is what we all. Do you watch a game? You watch a half. You don't even get a full game, wasn't even a full game. Baker. And now we Abakar mania for the Browns. You got will Cain saying that the Browns would be undefeated Baker Mayfield starting. That's what we have. Now you got fans all over Twitter saying, oh my God, look at this and you know, we don't. We don't learn from the cycle. We don't learn from recent experience. I'm not even talking about RG three a few years ago because let's remember there was a point where RG three was suddenly going to be the greatest thing ever right? And I get the injury, but we don't even learn from recent recently. Eleven days ago eleven days ago. This is the tweet from one major sports network. Sam darnold I believe is going to be one of the all time greats we've ever seen the play play the game. Chris Carter. Colin coward. Congratulations to the New York Jets for the next twelve to fifteen years. You've got your dude. I'm not disagreeing with any of that. I'm not saying Sam darnold can't be great, but that was after one game come on, you know your friend that's a jets fan. We all got one Mike on this show. Got a friend that's a jets fan that right after that win came in a little bit too puffed up and you knew you knew it was a little too puffed up, but you just gotta let them have their moment. Right? They finally get to see a quarterback play. Finally get to see quarterback play, and you're saying, oh my God. He was spectacular. The jets and Browns already have to regret passing on Sam darnold. These are headlines. The giants made a tragic mistake headlines after one game. And again, I'm not saying darnold isn't going to be good. Listen to me. I'm just saying, measure your reaction, calm down. This is like the guy that you know we, we've all got one in our friends circle that falls in love immediately. Let's throw the phone number up because we're going to have a confessional here. I'm gonna let you guys admit it. We've all done it triple eight. Say ESPN eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six low confessional here. Eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six come on. You got that guy. You fell in love with right away. You're like this is going to be the franchise changer. This is the guy everything's going to be different. Going to be saved by this person, and then you watched it all go downhill. To come in and say, I told you so eleven days ago about Sam darnold after one game. Now, Dan Orlovsky just told you he's still really believes in Sam darnold soda, why? What's not to believe in it's so early in this process, Sam darnold could turn out to be great. Can it's like your dating. You've been dating for a little while could turn out to be great, but we're so anxious to say, I love you. We're so anxious to be like, hey, she's moving in with me. That's it. That's it. We've gone on six dates. She's moving in with me and all your friends are rolling their eyes. They're like, oh God. Here we go. Again. Because what's happening. This is compounded by a couple of different things. Number one, the jets and Browns are two great examples of teams that are desperate for quarterback teams with passionate love, fan bases that are desperate for quarterback, right? Let's remember. A few years ago, the headline on the new York, Daily News. A star is born with Gino on the cover after Gino led the jets to a win, but not to be outdone. Headline in the daily news, a star is born after Mark Sanchez on the cover after leads to a win. Oh, we're just desperate for it. And again, I get it. I think the biggest thing as a lifelong raiders fan that has changed the way raiders fans feel is finally having a quarterback. You look at it and say, man, I think this guy could be the guy, and that's why everybody's so puckered up about Derek Carr. But realistically, what was the conversation just a couple of years ago, young quarterbacks in the NFL are better than ever. Right. Oh, my God, Maury, Yoda Winston car. They're going to be spectacular. Dax gonna be great. And just a couple years later, it's like, well, the titans aren't really sure what they have with Mario. I'm not sure the the buckskin rely on. Winston certainly doesn't look like he's going to get a long term deal people question whether or not car deserve the money he got, and now it's always Dak really that great. That's just an a couple of years. But what are we doing? Repeating the same cycle where like, oh, yeah, well, it doesn't matter because the future of quarterback in the NFL is great because we got Baker and we got Sam darnold and hey, we haven't even gotten to Josh Rosen. He could turn out to be good. We've all done it. We've all fallen in love with it triple eight. Say ESPN eight eight eight seven two nine three, seven, seven, six. There's no shame in it. You get emit the moment. You fell in love with something that ended up being a flop on your favorite team. Okay. Can we even admit how many raiders fans? They won't admit this loud. Raiders fans won't won't admit there's too loud and proud, but there was a whole contingent of raiders fans that thought Marquez to Yasser Sopa was going to be some sort of Craig quarterback, like I'm not even lying about that. I mean, the the number of raiders fans are like, oh, this is this guy. This guy is going to be future Marquez to. We asked the Sopo might look around a stadium on a Sunday. You walk around and you see how many jerseys or being worn from a player. The just may. May. And this happens, especially with the quarterback position, we have a love affair. We have a love of, we love them till we hate them right my once they go from like the dating stage. Again, you fall in love you. You tell her, you love her like in six states and then a year in, you're like, oh, this is going nowhere. It's planned. That's Andy, Dalton, this is going nowhere. I don't feel I don't feel good about the movement forward anymore. Right? Like that's Ryan tannehill that fans all over trying to figure out what their relationship with their quarterback looks like, right. This is what happens. The l'armee part is that it continually happens over and over again. Chris in Virginia. Okay. Chris Lowe confessional here. Tell the world. Would you fall in love with it? Turned out to break your heart. So it might be sound a little weird especially now in twenty eighteen, but I'm gonna say Nick foles when he was I would chip Kelly. Oh, that's a good call though. He had a lot of success. Everybody thought that was going to be the turnaround right bowls through like what seven intersections. Maybe he threw seven touchdowns in one game eagles are on fire, and we all know how chip Kelly. End up. I just think I mean, when he came back, I thought the eagles were done because once was out, obviously I was wrong, but you look at his career, he's really not the greatest quarterback in the world. He was just really clutch in one game. It just happened to be the Super Bowl, just figure that one out there. Chris NASA, great call. Thanks for the call. You know what the all of the fans got to Haipeng foles if they didn't throw those jerseys away, they could still use them a few years later. Look at that and beacon lighten the dark dark world. Dave in Pennsylvania. What did you fall in love with broke your heart? My friend or banditry line, famine, there's many, but. Fills it, the hiring of Jim Colwell and I'm draft and Stafford. I thought, you know, could have been a really good thing. I mean, let's be honest, we want I wouldn't sixteen one year and now you bring in math, Patricia, and what I've seen so far this year it's just, I think it's gonna be another down here for us. It's going to look tough, Dave. Thanks for the call. You can already hear the sadness in his voice to it's so sad, but you're right, and made it even tougher is that called wells just such a likable guy, and that's even worse because now you're dating a girl and you really like it like you like, he's just don't love her. She broke your heart, David and Dallas real quick, David. What do you got. Uninvolved love with him. But what about Tim Tiba know every everybody fell in love with him. That is the answer table. Thanks for the call. That's the absolute. They fell in love with the guy. They fell in love with the the two seconds where it looked like he could play quarterback in the NFL. I mean, that is a, that's a great call. You guys can hit me on the one, eight hundred flowers dot com. Twitter feed at Jason Fitz at Spain and Fitz. Let me know who broke your heart along the way. We'll keep taking some calls to as the night goes on straight ahead before we get back to the NFL. We'll switch gears a little bit. The NBA players league. Is that franchise finally putting its foot down and saying, no, we'll tell you about it next pain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, Spain and Fitz infants on ESPN radio, the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty. I'm Jason Fitz flying solo and look the timber. Wolves reports have come out. We talked a little bit about this yesterday. Obviously, as a Jimmy Butler demands, a trade more information continues to come out, and I know that the field now were hot on it yesterday when we talked about it and. You know to keep everybody updated. The reports have come out. The organization is not taking any of those calls. They don't look to be even interested in as much as that's usually the beginning of negotiation tactic. It's followed up by. We're not interested, but what are you offering? The last half of that statement isn't being said by reports. The Timberwolves are just saying, no, we're out and I had a lot of wanted to say about that. But the fact is y'all were living in Brooklyn hartsville and you have stacked the lines. I can't. I. I mean, I feel this. I love this. Well, you know the the quarterback conversation has come up on worried between Sam darnold and Baker Mayfield. I'm worried there's the opportunity for all of us to fall in love so fast that we're going to get our hearts broken. So we're going to put people out on the couch and just let it out. They have a good cry right here. Just just us on radio, triple eight. Say ESPN eight eight eight seven two nine, three, seven, seven six. Give him Billy on the one eight hundred flowers dot com. Twitter feed a little love to he said, Arian foster broke my heart, pretty sure. He faked injuries. Wow. I mean, Erin foster had a good had a good run to the. I'm not saying that at all. Steve on Twitter also came in and said, any Steelers quarterback between Bradshaw and Ben, you know, it's a, but that's still, I mean that's like to, you know, you had to amazing relationships and Bradshaw Ben. So some of us are little bit. Yeah. What about what about slash come on? Give him a little Andrew in Syracuse. Thanks for calling the show, man. This is your chance vent venture, heartbreak. What happened? Man? So I'm a Jacksonville Jaguars fan, and the last jersey I've ever bought was right after the NFL track when we traded up to the number ten spot and took Blaine gabbert. Do you wear delight? Do you wear the Gabbard jersey on game day? No. Enter quick. Thanks for the call. I appreciate it. That's that's awful. An breaks Mahar and you guys know if you listen to show, you know, I'm super pro Jags this year Supra Jags but when your heart was broken by quarterback and he's not named Blake portal's that tells you how tough it is Ben and how desperate we are that comes back to why everybody falls in love because we all believe that the quarterback fixes everything. Kiling, Kansas. And I think a lot of people share this one, Kyle. What do you got? Thanks for calling. The show. Oh, when the Tom Brady went down and I believe it was against the chiefs that year Matt Cassel stepped in and had one heck of a year. And then we get him the next year. We thought we were going to have the quarterback and he goes down and you know how that goes. No, you know what? Thanks for the call. I thought Matt castle was going to do something great. I mean as a raiders fan, I was like home him at castle. All that success shows you shows you how much do it's all. It's all ballot check system quarterbacks. By the way, Doug on Twitter came in and said, every single Seahawks running back since marshawn Lynch left hashtag broken heart. So now we've got a hashtag going on this too. If you're just tuning in Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, I'm Jason Fitz line solo the phone number, triple eight. Say ESPN eight eight eight seven, two, nine, three, seven, seven, six again just cautioning everybody about falling in love too early, and y'all are doing it. And by the way Shawn Alexander was an MVP and marshawn just left a few years ago, so, but I get it. I get it. You know. That's why we all fall in love mats in South Dakota, Matt, I feel like if I could reach through the line and hug you through this one, I would, I would because this one's difficult. Yeah. Yeah. A hard Broncos fan rock Osweiler comes in for Peyton Manning in two thousand fifteen beats the patriots and every Denver fan is going. Thank goodness. The Arab parrot to Peyton is here. We're going to keep winning for years. And then what does he do? You leaves in the offseason rips all of our hearts out and goes to the Texans where we kinda voided a catastrophe there. But at the time when he signed with the Texans, it was just a kick in the stomach. Well, Matt, thanks for the call, but that is sort of the moment where you were dating them, you thought they were fantastic. Then you found out that they were little crazy and there was somebody else's problem. So it least you avoided the heart and I'll come back to dating here. I, I don't know why. Let's go to Danny. Well in Oklahoma, Daniel, what are you? Got, thanks for calling the show. Oh, right. So I'm a Cowboys fan for all my life. I thought we drafted twenty Carter added Georgia. Now you're ahead of the curve with a Alba quarterback that could actually do some Daniel house. How does up on it, then? Thanks for the call on that. And that's exactly what happens. See, that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Quincy Carter, you fell in love with Quincy Carter, that's fallen in love which you can do better than that. Hold out for real love. All asking us to do is get through the dating process, but these guys, what did or loss key tell you six games, right? Sixteenth. What should we have learned from deck from car from Morioka from Winston. I mean, you have to look at these names and you have to say, hey, guess what? Sometimes it takes a little bit of time and if you love them. If you've got people that are getting married young, the advice they always get us, hey, guys, if you're in love, you'll still be in love in a few years. Right? Wait it out. You hear that advice all the time. I'm here to give you that advice for your favorite team and your favorite quarterback. If you love them just wold off a little bit on the jersey and hold off a little bit on the trash talking and wait to make sure that the love is real. That's all when the love is real, the level be strong. I thought I love Derek Carr, and then now it's week to week. I don't know. Now we're on again off again. I don't know what's happening. My heart gets broken some weeks, then I feel good about it. The next I want you guys to avoid my pain. That's a, that's where we are through all of it. I in spectacular that you guys have blown up for this. Keep tweeting us at Jason Fitz at Spain and fits will continue to let you air your heartbreak here, but straight ahead, a quarterback that program has fallen out of love with. So we'll pack up and move find out who we're talking about next on Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, and there's always on the ESPN app. Thanks for listening to the Spain and Fitz podcast. Listen to the show six to nine PM eastern on ESPN radio and subscribe to the podcast on the ESPN app, Spain and Fitz.

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Hour 2 - Dan Orlovsky (04-16-20)

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Hour 2 - Dan Orlovsky (04-16-20)

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Usa Today had the rankings. Here you know the worst uniform ranking and I think this is fair but I think we look at the franchise therefore the uniform. A uniform looks better when you win. Let's face it. The cream sickle uniforms with. The buccaneers didn't look great. When they came out in the seventies because they weren't very good they had the sellman brothers and that was about it. Steve Spurrier Steve. Young came in for a brief visit. Doug Williams came in the worst uniform in the NFL this according to USA. Today you guys WanNa Guess mclovin will start with you worst Asia more uniform based on your T.'s. The bengals because they've been bat bengals. No they're not in the bottom ten right now. Here's the description. Hideous color scheme led to a logo that rubs people the wrong way Washington. Yes come on down by the second worst uniform. Remember when the bills were using all that piping and heavy color swatch ing all over the shoulders a decade ago. You would have thought that no one would ever try to replicate that look alas the Arizona Cardinals second-worst uniforms this according to Nate Davis USA. Today I thought this would be the team that had the worst uniforms. Just because of their helmets the thirtieth ranked uniform in the NFL. Is this jagged. Yes uh-huh Jacksonville Jaguars. Yeah poll Jacksonville's cleaned up in the past three years. They've cleaned up the helmets and they also with that white on white. Almost like Penn State. Look with the uniform with Leonard. Fournette looks even more fearsome with. They've cleaned up Jacksonville. A little bit is the problem with Jacksonville. Really just the helmet for me. It is I can't other than that. It's a pretty solid uniform. Well I didn't know what that color was of kit. It wasn't brown and it wasn't gold and I didn't know what it was. So that kind of one of those. If I went to you know crayons or Sherman Williams I go. What color is this? And I'm not quite sure that bothered me. The twenty ninth ranked uniform. They ripped it lantis rollout on twitter but a team that looks more. Xfl THAN NFL doesn't have a paw to stand on your Carolina. Panthers Twenty eighth is the Cleveland Browns. Okay twenty seven is the titans. I hate the the new. The numerals on their the imagery of a Roman Centurion is kind of cool with the shoulder flaps and the sword Sheath on the hip but the navy helmets were an upgrade. That just too much going on here. I disagree a little bit. I think the titans have some nice combos and it gets a little busy but they have a sec. Old School seventy SEC SEC wasn't around seventy it's a terrible use of a great color. Those uniforms are this one's GonNa hurt. It's not just it's it's it's just not wearing well. As Nineteen Ninety S as friends and the problem is amplified by how sharp their Color Rush? Uniforms are your. Denver broncos twenty sixth worst uniform in the NFL. Sorry taught that's insane. Yeah sorry all right. It's absolutely correct. Because when the Broncos do that Colorado and go back to the dark blue on a Thursday night they look fantastic all right. Here's your top five New Orleans saints now. The the old goal that they went back to is pretty. I love the white with the gold. The old gold. I think that is as sharp as any uniform and football number. Four on the list is going to be a shocker. Shocker I I can't even give the description they haven't USA Today because you'd give it away. Anybody WanNA guess number four on the list best uniforms in the NFL. See No counter. The steelers no now steelers got an awesome uniform although they only had the logo on one side of the helmet which is kind of cool. Yeah but I never understood that. Wiley only did on one side only like was it budgetary reasons or something but they only have it on one side. Like you know the cowboys don't have a star on just one side does. Green Bay doesn't have the G or the bears don't have a CEO and one son. Yup The packers number four. I think packers are top-five easy. Packers are not in the top five at blasphemous. Your Seattle seahawks are the fourth best uniform. And I'm like which uniform wrote to skip bayless the College Navy and Action. Green reflect the emerald city and as does the logo a callback to a mask designed by Indiana native to the Pacific northwest number. Three your Pittsburgh steelers number two on the list. I have no problem with this near Los Angeles chargers. The best uniform all the football. Your Vegas raters yeah according to USA. Today it doesn't get better than the silver and black who feature an awesome color scheme fantastic logo overall clean. Look since its inception in thousand nine hundred sixty four that guy's good writer that USA. Today I like the USA. Today not a lot of words. Short articles like him. Is that your Jon Gruden. Yeah I like the days. Okay Them USA. Today's there's they know what they're talking about her and Eliza yes Paulin. Ohio joins us. Hi Paul what do you have former today? Yeah again five foot nutting one. Thirty okay I've been watching the rams since the early sixties and I. You can't change the helmet but I mean the logo. I can deal with my logo. I mean that's where the kids not Nada. Also I have a I have a I wanNA revisit. The shower shame. I turned down on Friday. I'll take the rams to win the West okay. If that would that would be cool with you guys. Yeah also I I had Took him for your For Your T shirt you know. You've got top obey. What about like with our guy? What do you think you'll know that you will leave it to Fritzy to come up? With the bad punchier was tough. Yeah sorry Paul but thank you. Yeah and now. I can't go with them. If Cam Newton goes to New England then I think we have something right. Fritzy we absolutely do. We have to thank you from Newton. Thank you thank you. Thank you we on the air right now. We are head I six minutes. Yeah I clicked. Something took me to Microsoft word by accident. That's what the delay was. Stay with me here. Stay with US up. I was trying to click my mic button. Then I clicked through to the next Microsoft word. Came up from Newton would be good for patriots. Thank you Yesterday we had a brief period of NFL excitement as the rumor caillebotte on Sports. Talk Radio that. The browns maybe contemplating trading Odell Beckham Junior. The third of the Vikings. Well it didn't take long for NFL. Reporters to say no. I don't think that's true but hey sports talk radio social media. We needed something talking heads. It was just a rumor. I'm hearing that's where it's dangerous. You hear things but you WANNA be able to report things that are accurate and I'm not giving a tutorial here. It's just when people say hey. I'm hearing they think it's fact and I checked to source and I said are the vikings interested in Odell Beckham and at first my source said well they gotta get a number one receiver and I go. Okay Adam feelings not your number one receiver. You lose to the bills and I go. It just seems strange that the Vikings would wanNA bring in Odell Beckham after getting rid of Stefan digs and then my source came back this morning and said they're going to look at drafting wide receiver that they're not gonNA trade for Odell Beckham now. That doesn't mean that there wasn't some validity to this. But when you're hearing that could be you guys interested in Odell Beckham. I don't know let me check back. And then it could be nope. We're not well. You were hearing that they were talking about it but there was no now. I know people attached draft picks to this. And maybe it's true. I'm just going by my source. And there was a second in a fifth round attached to Odell Beckham. But if I'm Minnesota and I'm I know Mike Zimmer. You're not going to do this. You're not bringing in Odell Beckham after. Just get rid of. Stefan digs kirk cousins. Need some calmness there but it was. I'm hearing that. So with no games to talk about we dissect every personnel. Move like its groundbreaking. The bears trade for Nick foles. My that's an hour deck. Dak Prescott has a dinner party. We spent whole show on that the possibility of trades. What's going to happen? Joe Boroughs you go onto the bengals. Who is two or three or twenty? Three everything is on steroids right now. It's like it's so important. There's no basketball games to distract US right now. There's no baseball games to distract us. So it's a you think the lions would take too. I don't know I'm hearing. I still go back to the following. The second most important player on the field in my opinion. Obviously the first is quarterback. The second is your edge rusher. Every team needs to have one because this is a pass happy league. Von Miller won a super bowl. For the broncos. Okay you have to. Have you know the chiefs needed defense to win the Super Bowl? You'll have to have an edge rusher or it's probably wise to have an edge rusher San Francisco because their defense I mean Bosa could have been the MVP of the Super Bowl. If San Francisco wins. Maybe the edge rusher rookies the MVP of the Super Bowl the importance of having that ability to put pressure on your quarterback so chase young is a once in a generation player which would be hard for him to be once in a generation player if we just had. Bosa who could have been the MVP in the Super Bowl? But I haven't heard one team one. Even I'm hearing willing to go up and get chased young. Is He untouchable the REDSKINS perspective? Because if the Redskins I wouldn't make him untouchable somebody wants to give me a couple of first round. Picks we give up those first round picks. When's the last time that we did something like this in a draft where we went up to draft a defensive player? Or an offense you player. Who's not a running back or quarterback. It seems rare but defense. Is it you eventually an annual? I say this I'm broken. Record at some point in the season you will need a defensive. Stop to help you win a big game. You will need that. You may not be a defensive minded team but you will need players who make players right but you look at what Chris Jones. The chiefs did in the Super Bowl. Have you have to have that? The last drive you have to have them so chase. Young is considered the best prospect in the draft right there. Nobody's arguing that best player in the draft. He's a given but nobody's going up to get him. Which I am so shocked at I really am Daniel Jeremiah. Nfl Network analyst was on Doug Gottlieb show yesterday and he talked about the redskins. And I can't see the redskins passing on chase young. Can you know I've heard all chatter about potentially wanting to get out of there and all that you don't trade off of opportunity to get premiere edge rusher you don't? It's the second most important position in the game and he's right there in your lap. Don't screw IT UP I. I don't see them making another decision there. But why is it? Joe Boroughs worth four number one picks. Or why don't you go up? And get Joe Borough or you. Trade up for Jared Goff. Are you trade it for Mitchell trubisky? I get your trading up for a quarterback but still waiting on jared goff a franchise quarterback. You're still waiting Mitchell. Trubisky chase young comes in day one and is impactful for your two. I'm surprised because I haven't heard one whisper. The redskins may want to get out of there. Nobody's willing to go up there and pay the price but I think everybody agrees chase. Young is the best player in the draft. Or at least he's the one sure thing whether that's true or not and I think if you look at Ohio state players for the most part they live up to the hype. Alabama players don't necessarily live up to the hype and as a source said to me. Yesterday nick puts them through hard practices. You stay there for three or four years. You have added a lot of knowledge on your body there and you see similar players. Who aren't great when they get to the NFL but Ohio state players for the most part and you start to look at you're going to have you could have the second and third pick both from that. Ohio state defense so the edge rusher and you start to think how they lose you. Got The best cornerback. Who's going to start right away? Probably the Detroit lions and chase young. Who starts right away for the Washington redskins and you had a great quarterback like you had a lot of things and didn't win the National Championship. Yes mclovin in. Clemson have like five of those guys to. That's what I was. I recall a chase. Young is gone. He's the best player in draft. Jeff Mukunda is the best defensive back. Who is going to go third? Perhaps I was wondering. Can you avoid defensive end like remember how we talked about Tina voided? Jj Watt at its peak sometime like sort of work around him a little bit. Well the only way you avoided him as when he got hurt and what happens is it's this is going to sound strange but you avoid somebody by going at them. Alan page was one of the Great Defensive Line. With the Minnesota Vikings the purple people eaters. His pursuit was so great that you ran at him. And I think with Chase Young. Do you go at him too then. Somehow avoid him because he's going to be able to track you down the same with Bosa but with an edge rusher. You can try to go away from him. But they're they're going to track you down. You almost have to go at the person. You're trying to avoid which sounds counterintuitive. But maybe I'm Dan Orlovsky whose stars on the rise of the mothership will join US coming up to get his. Why is nobody talking about trading up purchase young and is to a really falling? Is it that much of a free fall here and we talked about the Justin. Herbert rumors and the Justin. Herbert rumors were true. Miami is interested in just in Herbert. This isn't a smokescreen. Miami is truly interested in Justin. Herbert Epo we always say. Don't believe what you hear draft. Yeah I and if the conventional rumors the past three or four days is to is falling in the draft. Who would who would it help? I'm thinking about this sure. The answer would float that rumor out there and the goal be. What like would Miami float that out there? So they don't have to try to get them could be. That would be the type of thing you'd float a bunch of media people and hope that it benefits me how I listened to a team official because I just I get nervous when somebody tells me what they really feel but most people do listen. I've learned that their job is not to tell me the truth. It doesn't make any sense. You don't get extra credit for being honest with the media. We'll take a break. Dan Orlovsky will join us by the way boomer. Boomer liken Joe Borough to the bengals like Lebron the cavaliers so we'll talk to coming up and the Golfer Bubba Watson we'll stop by coming up top of the hour or back after this on the Dan. Patrick show thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch. Us Live every weekday morning nine to noon eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio. Find your local station for the Dan. Patrick show at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream. 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The chargers came to town. I snuck into the game at Nipper Stadium and I saw the chargers take the field. It change my life I went. Oh my God look at those uniforms. It was as if I had watched sports in black and white and all of a sudden I had color TV and I had John Hagel. Who had number twenty? One is the quarterback I go. Who's got twenty? One is a quarterback number that Dickie Post Gary Garrison Lance Allworth. Uniform some spectacular. Yeah Point and I'm looking back at a picture of the Bengals from the seventies they've Orange Helmet White Jerseys. Dark Brown numbers three stripes a simple bengals on there for some reason. Now it looks old school and cool and compared to the tiger stripes was just boring. That's all like the cowboys. Look Great Yeah you can have a clean looking uniform but it can be boring as well. You know. The packers were great. The steelers were great. The niners look great. It is amazing though. If you win your uniform somehow looks a whole lot better. Dan Orlovsky stars on the rise at the mothership. Espn football analyst former NFL quarterback and you can check him out on. Get up with my Greenberg sportscenter. Nfl Live and other programs best uniform. You played in was what Dan who played Definitely the cream school Tampa Bay buccaneers. We got to wear them once. And these were like old school material so the the the comfort of them was atrocious. But the feel of like the look of them was awesome. Now this is when we stunk so we probably got dragged by whoever we played but the best one I played in the Tampa. Bay buccaneers creams nickel or the lions. Thanksgiving Day throwback when it's just all Blue Jersey false Gray numbers of gray pants and all blue helmet. Those were the cleanest. I've warned myself all right Dan. That's all we wanted from you. Thank you we appreciate my bet segment of the year. Yeah I was just talking about this that the second most important position on the field is an edge rusher. In my opinion she had the quarterback. And you have the edge rusher. I don't know if you agree or not but I'll let you give me your opinion on that in a moment why is it? Nobody wants to trade up to get chase young. If he is is a generational you know once in a decade kind of pass rusher in the best player in the draft. I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE TRADE SCENARIO TO GO UP AND GETTING mind. Yeah I'd say Number One. There are some people and I've had conversations with guys about this. That do believe he went ghost. The last three games the year that he was minimized and shut down and Especially in the Clinton game people pointed that I disagree with that point I actually thought that teams that played them down. The stretch were conscious of him and getting the ball out of their hands way. Quicker than normal. I think there's the reality that I don't think there's any chance in Washington traits to pick. I just don't I mean Ron Rivera Inject del Rio there Washington defensive line has is going to be a major problem because just as a quarterback makes everybody better a dominant defensive lineman all those other defensive lineman better and so now. Montas sweat is going to be better and pains going to be better and Jonathan Allen's going to be better because the addition to chase down so I don't think Washington would be willing to move from that pick. I would disagree with you on the edge rusher being more more important than interior rusher Two reasons one the the usage of the field. The spread of the field coaches are much more aware that the football field is actually fifty three and a third yards wide and much more willing to use all of that space. And so now I always try to express it like this. I think of an offensive line and traditionally over the last thirty years the NFL. You know the offensive line is tackled to tackle for the most part and that's probably a six or seven yard wide space and once the has traditionally been snapped because we weren't using space as much the field Wi with the offensive line is like an accordion that gets shrunk. So those pass rushers get closer and closer to the quarterback that are taking these five and seven and sitting in the pocket when coaches expand the offensive line. More at the ball being snapped whether it's the use of lateral play action which is much more part of the NFL now than than it used to be the quick passing game and the screen. Game The lateral run game is much more use than the downhill run game. And then the second thing it would be is how quickly the ball gets the quarterback hands. I mean we see the ball. A quarterback stands with the RPO game way faster than it used to be. You know what was the last time you saw a quarterback under center and take a seven step drop just traditional dropback not a play action game. It's not part of the game as much anymore. So the Interior Pass rusher as close to the quarterback as possible person is more valuable for me and my experience and then the edge rusher. Yeah I get that. Because that's why Aaron Donald is so valuable. He's disruptive in the middle plus to get to the quarterback he can get there quicker than the edge rusher can and if you're taking less than two and a half seconds get rid of the football. Let's the the closest distance between two dots. Here get straight right and so I understand that if you look at these drafts and I've said this it seems like every year I say the same thing. We build up a quarterback and then we tear them down as we get closer to the draft. So it's a roller coaster ride for these guys. Hey this guy's unbelievable in March then all of a sudden in April you know the guy's not a top ten pick so we didn't do it with borough we did it and we still doing it with two Herbert Lee. He's sort of on the rise now Jordan. Love got some attention there. But how do you sort of sort this all out and understand? What teams are thinking about these players? Yeah I don't really believe. In ranking the quarterbacks they went through three four five six I look at them Mike. Okay what guys are in the best position trait wise or skill set wise to be bona fide stars to be guys that you can just count on for the next fifteen years to be rock stars no matter really who their coaches who there. Who's around them skill? So why these guys are going to be great players and its burrow in To those are the two players quarterback wise in this draft. Like Joe Borough if you look at the greatest in the NFL the last twenty years at that position and you and you just kind of took away the first thing that pops in your head when you think about that player Joe Borough has like okay. Tom Brady choice for collectedness when job. Rose got that drew brees accuracy. Joe Girl has that Ben Rothlisberger Pocket Movement. Job Rose Ridiculous ad is if you look at Russell Wilson. His instincts borough has all that. These are things that like so many people overlook because they're really difficult to measure. Unless you you know really trained your eyes. That's it job really got all of that like all of it To us I it's very similar in that regard to accuracy is is the greatest attribute that he has. It's also the most important attribute physically quarterback can have and so His ability to get through progressions. I call it the most programs quarterback in the draft not robotic but program. So those two guys are rockstars. They're going to be studs if healthy for two. Obviously I'm Herbert. To me is like my now. He's been like you know when you go. How shopping and you see this house. It's it's a beautiful home and it's got all the upgrades in it should sell really well but it just sick of the market because every time you see a man. Something's wrong with that. Just doesn't feel right and and I've kind of sent this tweet us the other day. Think of all the quarterbacks that we've talked about in the draft in the last fifteen twenty years that when the first two or three things out of people's mouth are he's big. He's strong. He's athletic. He's got a powerful arm. Like think of all those guys in all more more often than not those cats have failed and I didn't say anything about that when it came to Brady. Russell Wilson Threes Big Ben. I didn't say anything about that because that stuff doesn't matter. We look at quarterback for the same way. We look at all the other position. Big strong athletic powerful. It should be the other way the mental and so. That's what concerns me about Justin. Herbert is like no one's going man. He's got great instincts or Gosh. His accuracy is ridiculous or he's just got this ability to make all these different kinds of those. Those are all the things that people talk about are like that. I talk about that. He struggles with and I just go man. I have a lot of concern about that. Because it's the most important physical attributes of the quarterback position and then for Jordan love. You know Jordan love is is is the the most intriguing probably guy because he does more stuff that you can't coach more wild stuff you go man. I just can't coach that though. I can't coach that throw. I kind of related to this. Patrick Mahomes who who who has been compared to. I don't see that but I'm Patrick Mahomes. Has This recess style of football? Where like he's the best kid on the playground and it's under control and he's just toying with people injured him as a reckless style of football. We're look somewhat similar but goodness it's reckless. And so listen if you can coach him up to be recess and reckless. Then yeah you you might have something to work with but I'm not taking 'em until later in the first round Yameogo with your analogy here with Justin Herbert. There's a house in. There's a home. He might be a houses a quarterback where jober or it could be a home in there. There's a big difference in that. It looks great but it is. Is it going to be a home if the team if you pass onto it? Take Justin Herbert. Finish that sentence. You're scared to be great. You're you're okay with trying to be mediocre but it's better of taking him or the fear of not taking him. Which one do you think is stronger in this draft to fear taking him and I said that I said that in January? It's GonNa take courage to take to. Let's be honest it's GonNa take curve's pass onto because this isn't the same guy that in Kirksey great right Kirk Street is is is outstanding. What he does and I think he's got a great feel and understanding of that spot that position. 'cause football it's the same person same player that came into the National Championship. Game and Kirk herbstreit on the broadcast said Alabama's GonNa be okay. This kid is ridiculous. It's the same coach. Nick Sabin. We all say the one of the greatest coaches of all time who decided to go to that player in that moment and so If it's if the team decides to Drought Justin Herbert's it's just. They are so scared. That too is going to become hurt that they're they're willing to become to to chase mediocrity then greatness. They'd rather play it safe and it's funny. I was just watching for steak and Michael Jordan was talking about the the last dance thing and he was talking about in his first year. He had an injury and the doctor stolen. There's a there's a ninety percent chance you won't get hurt and there's a ten percent chance that you'll get hurt and you'll end your career in Jordan. Looked at him like but I'm like I'm trying to be great. There's ninety percent chance there's a ninety percent chance that if you dress to tunnel via loa you're gonNA become great as an organization that stinking good but if you WANNA bet on the ten percent because you're scared then that that's on you and later that year. The playoffs Jordan puts sixty three on the Celtics in the garden. Yeah I guess I like listen and I brought this up okay. So look at the past ten years and you know felt like okay saints like you. Don't get great in the NFL. Without taking risks when onside kick in the Super Bowl ten eleven years ago in the Super Bowl halftime the eagles a couple years ago as the number one seed decided to go into the playoffs with a backup quarterback and and Rent a trick play on fourth and goal that the chiefs traded up to get a quarterback from Texas tech when they did. It need within a veteran playoff football team. The Ravens took a quarterback and Lamar Jackson couldn't fit into the NFL. Like you if you want to become a great championship caliber organization. You want to become great. You've gotTA take risks like you've got to take risks and I got to go. The quarterbacks are getting way more protected in the NFL than they are in college football way more protected and I think he has the brain to mature enough to realize. I don't have to prove my toughness every single play. Get the ball out. And there's other places to play it. I would take good stuff. Hey It's great to talk to you. I'm happy for your success. You've done well and you put in the work and maybe a couple of months you come here to the man cave will Teach you how to throw a football. Listen to honor. I obviously grew up on you. So it's a privilege and by the way that you finally I would love to come to the man cave. I can use all the help. I thank you Dan. We appreciate your time till Greenie. We set alot. That's Dan Orlovsky and went to uconn drafted by the Lions and there's that it's not a highlight but it is a highlight. That's a low light for Dan where he went out of the end zone. And you know. It was his self-imposed saints so he doesn't know that he's backing up to throw a pass. From his end zone he goes out of the end zone. And doesn't he have like a his charity or something or say something like he's all in favor of moving the end zone to eleven yards bowling. Dan Orlovsky twitter profile. He wrote. That's up on his twitter retired twelve year. Nfl Vet married to a cool chick. Dan Triplet boys end zone. 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Okay that's guys you can come get caught up on what is happening without feeling the life train out of your soul at the daily Zeitgeist. You'll find us on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever fine podcasts are given away for free. It feels like you're firmly planted in what your opinion is of who you think is the greatest of all time and what happens is when we were growing up were so attached to those memories far more than we are when we get older. When you're twelve to twenty two like that you just. Your team is so important. The music you listen to is so important there. My Cincinnati reds. The big red machine is the Best National League lineup. Ever in my my opinion Zeppelin is the best rock and roll band of all time. I Q have these opinions. It's hard to change my mind when it comes to that you can say hey. I got a national league team that would rival the reds all right. I don't believe you. Hey I got a rock and roll band better than led Zeppelin. Okay Michael Jordan. Was it local for me? Michael Jordan was global. When you think about it and you know people watch Jordan. They were there. They understand the moment. And I don't know if anybody's going to say hey. I'm so passionate about Lebron James. He's the greatest player of all-time Michael Jordan is Neil Armstrong. He's first guy to walk on the moon. Now there's twelve people. I think total of walked on the moon but when you go to a party and Neil Armstrong would be there. That dude walked on the moon. The first guy that's Michael Jordan. He was the first real global star and he's almost become mythological. When you think about it now Michael Jordan has become Babe Ruth like. Lebron can't compare can't compete with that Lebron's one of the guys who's walked on the moon but he might be the twelfth guy. The Guy The guy. Imagine if you're there and you have a conversation Neil Armstrong's there and you're one of the other guys Buzz Aldrin and you you were second but that okay. That's nice. He was the first guy to walk on the moon. You can't win. That argument is the first to do it and he really gave the blueprint all these other athletes and Mohammed Ali. Was it with a team? He was global but he was an individual but Mike became global because of the Air Jordan Ali was global because he would fight around the world and it was different. Mike was with the team but also singular as a global spokesperson and a billionaire. It's just different. I I think when Lebron is all said and done we'll have an argument at least a good discussion here because people ask me all the time. Hey you were there. When Jordan won all those titles Michael Jordan. If I'M GONNA win a game is the guy one out there. We do this argument with a quarterback. Who's the quarterback? He wants to win the game. Who's the guy you wanted to plate with the game online? Who's The pitcher you on? Michael Jordan is that I can't argue with anybody else in that situation game on the line one game to win. Michael Jordan is the guy that I want leading my team. Do I think Lebron is a better basketball player? Michael Jordan I do I do if you look at what. He's done the totality of his career. The style what he does at his. There's no one like him. There's there's no one like him. In the history of the game. Magic was his size but was not anywhere near the athlete. That Lebron is Lebron can score. He can rebound he can pass the. He's not the defender. Mike was but if I wanted to win a game on taking Michael Jordan just am I saw. It saw it with my own eyes and until somebody proved different. He was the guy's much as I loved bird and loved magic and I kept thinking this Jordan guy thinks he's as good as these guys and then when Mike put up sixty three on the Celtics and the garden. That's when Larry Bird said he realized there's a new sheriff in town. There's and like I realized I wasn't the best player in basketball. And that's from a guy who won three. Mvp's he knew he not. That's what Mike did. He came in and it was this soon. Nami and all of a sudden you Kinda came up for air and you go is coming back again and it was. I would take him is he. The greatest player of all time. Yes yes bill Russell. One more. But that wasn't bill singularly Michael would go out and dominate games. He would dominate opponents. He would make you cry. But if we're even doing the all-time drafts there. If I'm starting my team with anybody I have a little bit of a debate between Kareem but the game has changed. Now what would Michael Jordan be like? In today's game would be a three point shooting guy. Would he be as effective with Steph Curry? Be More valuable. Because he's a great three point shooter. I got what would bird be like? Today would be better. Because he can shoot the three he could rebound he could pass. He could do all those things. He wasn't the defender Jordan was like. What would magic thing would he be shooting more like? 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The Florida Show

College Football Live

22:30 min | 1 year ago

The Florida Show

"Welcome to college football live. He's Dan Orlovsky Andrea where I'm Jason. It was not a quarterback. I'll let you guys figure that one out. We are twenty nine days away from the start at college. Football and Florida Miami are getting practice underway so we've figured this is the perfect time to go all Florida all day. Take a look at the state of college football in the State State of Florida Dan Mullen Finish tenant three last year with gators but they also lost Kentucky. Meanwhile Florida state and Willie Taggart hadn't abysmal five and seven season so both coaches are under the microscope. Here's what Dan Mullen said about motivation on Thursday Thursday. That's certainly hope we still play with a chip on her shoulder. You know I think I hope we have that ship on our shoulder. We look at last year and say boy. There is a lot of great things happened last year and they're a bunch of things that were great and that you you look at that and say there are some things we need to be a lot better at last year and we have that chip on our shoulder to kind of get that back there were three games that we didn't win last last year and we have a chip on our shoulder about those three games and they were all three very different reasons to keep a chip on the ship on our performance and how we did not perform to our level of expectations it it knows and so hopefully we keep that a little bit of chip on her shoulder and a little bit of edged. We put that behind us a long time ago on time we talk about it when we'd be asked about it but we put it behind us and it's two thousand nineteen nineteen. I don't think he's fair. There are two thousand nineteen to continue to talk about eighteen. You know we put that behind. We learn we learned from our mistakes things that cost us to be the way that we were and we've been working on a diligent the since thin to make sure we correct those things and don't do the same things that we we've done before all right Andre define what is successful season would be for Willie Taggart and Florida state this year well. I think it's it's getting into a bowl game. They they have to get to a ballgame too quiet the critic so to speak the alums are getting restless thing about Willie tagger though is everywhere he's been Western Kentucky <hes> South South Florida. He's improved as a football team and as the football coach and each of those trips each of those places so I expect for the state to be better I have at least getting six and six maybe seventh win in there but they will definitely be an improved football team. This fault Dan and is that really enough. Those six win seven wins for program like Florida state well as long as they're playing good football. That's a big part of it. They've got to restore some of the lure that we've known Florida state for for a long time. Listen he brought on Kendall. Browse allows to be as offensive coordinator and that's a good Mesh for this Gulf coast offense the fans afford if they want to see good offensive football. That's a big step for this team. Who's going to play quarterback? Is it Blackman. This defense has got a lot of people back but they're going gotta get tested week one and he got the Boise State Week when they play Virginia Week three on the road so I would say get the alumni get. The fans settled down just a little bit at least the Arrow pointing in the right direction. I think as well Dan you made a good point at the top. They've got close the gap on Clemson I mean last year they took a fifty nine to ten whipping from from the Tigers that that is a a game and a program. I am which they've got to close the gap not saying they're going to do it this year or maybe even in twenty twenty but they've got to start to make that game competitive if they're going to compete for conference championships and that in itself will bring back the fans we'll get fans more interested in the program and everyone needs to understand with Willie taggart. If you look at his tracker Lee you Kinda mentioned Andre He's not a quick fix guy. He is a build of builder of a program so I understand the expectation since they are Florida state theater so high but you've got to see how play football this year what impact it has on recruiting. If Blackman takes his step forward as the starting quarterback and plays really good those are all things that if you're fan base and you start to play good in your scoring forty points a game. We're on the right track trek all right Dan so let's let's take the same question then to Dan Mullen and Florida. What do you see as sort of define success for them? They better sniff the S._e._C. East crown. This is a team that first of all quarterback took huge step forward with Fleet Bay Franks his performance last year. They ran the ball well but they've got to survive a brutal October. That's going to be a big part of them and their defense is going to have to carry their football team but they better get in the conversation at least with Georgia to win the S._e._C. and fully paid Franks. Things need to take a big step forward again yeah. I'M GONNA total agreement there. When it comes to Felipe a phrase that thing that he has working on his side is he's the unequivocal quarterback and leader of this program? Now there are questions about a year so ago at times during the season or early in his career whether or not he was going to be the type of quarterback that was recruited Outta high school and I think under Dan Mullen the quarterback whisper. He's starting to show. Those flashes he needs to become a sixty percent passer or better for this office to to <hes> to churn out yards consistently. They need a thousand yard rusher. It's where they struggled a little bit last year. Rush rushing the football to take some pressure off the quarterback a position and then you when you look at it as well he needs to run for over five thousand five hundred yards because of the physicality in which Dan Mullen likes to play that position he he told me this off season that he's just about got felipe aided by in to the physicality part of the quarterback position in his offense will see this fall if he's bought in and and totally onboard well there are more than just two schools in Florida so let's open up the conversation a little bit to to the entire higher state will shift to focus over the hurricanes new head coach. Manny Diaz caught up with our college football live earlier this week. What are you doing right now at the players to bring back that old Miami Amy Swag Yeah well you you know the answer this question the swag came from preparation swag is confidence right what makes me confident being prepared and I think the thing that has disappointed most of the alumni and myself included -cluded is we didn't always compete you watch year ago for whatever reason we didn't have that competitive spirit that Miami teams have so when we came as a staff in two thousand sixteen defensively our gold or simple not we care about yards points whatever we said we WANNA play like the Miami hurricanes so Dan would that being said? What do you think the ceiling is for the hurricanes this year very good football team? They could absolutely get to nine or ten wins. Obviously they have a really difficult start with Florida week one. They gotta go on on the road against Pittsburgh. They get Virginia Tech at home. Their schedule isn't brutal. Here's the biggest thing for them. WHO's GONNA play quarterback? We've been asking that question since Ken Dorsey was there so that's a big step for them but they have so much talent on this football team especially offensively they have Jeff Thomas at wide receiver Brevin Jordan at tight end do wiggins at wide receiver so who's GonNa answer the quarterback question but there's so much on this offense. The defense is absolutely loaded and they kept him any so the system's GonNa stay in place this this is a schedule that sets up for them to win nine or ten games. Yeah I agree with you. I got him at eight and four to finish the year because took a couple of tough games Virginia Virginia Tech they go on the road to a duke team that they lost to a year ago but I think tape Martell when he gets going in this new spread coast. You got the Gulf coast offense down at Florida state. You got to spread coast offense now at Miami under Dan he knows it should be fun to watch and intake Martell fits it. I think he wins this job and gets the hurricanes on the radar of college football again but a tough tough schedule as Manny Diaz tries to build this in his first year not any pressure like Willie Taggart's going to have down at Florida Florida state with his first year but he's got to build it and have a respectable first season at Miami and to your point Andre there is some pressure though I mean they they went and spend some money to go and pull him back away from temple. I understand that tape martell transfers present from Ohio state and there's a little bit of unknown Lord there. I did some Miami Games last year and there is some intrigued with Nicosea Perry like he did some nice things on the football field than an offense that I was very critical of. I just don't know what his maturity level is like off. The field as is growing up. I also wouldn't discount Jaren Williams. Who was there young prized Recru- he wanted to transfer last year he ended up staying? It's such a three-man race right now. Whoever runs Danino System the best in distribute to to those talented guys is going to be their quarterback? I think you guys are both frankly understanding the pressure here because let's remember Miami also decided they were GonNa build their roster and a different way by going so hard into transfer portal. I think there's expectation that Manny Diaz come out and do it strong now. Let's broaden the scope of the rest of the State Andre. I'll ask you which team in Florida is going to win the most games this season. I think it's U._C._F.. With Josh Hypol- and and the Golden Knights down on in Orlando they've got a schedule that sets up if they can find the man at quarterback <hes> whether it's Brandon Wimbush or Daryl Mac at quarterback we once they settle in at that position there are plenty of weapons to be successful. A lot of starters return on that side of the ball defensively. They're going to be good on that side as well. I think with the schedule that U._C._F.. Has They could get the ten wins. The only losses I have on that schedule Stanford and maybe Cincinnati team. That's going to be pretty good in the American India U._C._F.. It'd be really good. They got three other receivers back as well. I would say Florida and I mentioned the schedule before if we're we're looking at U._C._F.. Schedule Stanford is going to be tough game. Pittsburgh is going to be tough on the road on the road at Cincinnati to your point. Andre is that'd be difficult. Houston is going to be really good so the American conference is going to be again strong but I would choose Florida obviously August twenty four. It's a big game but I look at October. They have Auburn there on the road l._S._U.. There on the road at South Carolina and then basically October first week in November Georgia if they can survive that not only really survive but thrive in that month in played their best football within that month. I can see this team again challenging Georgia for the S._e._C. title here's. Here's the biggest question for this football team. They have to rebuild the offensive line. So how does the offensive line play into your point. Andrei help the run game and then can their defense be the absolute backbone of the football team. Their defense needs to be kind of what Mississippi States was last year fifteen eighteen sixteen points a game. They gave up twenty years defense if they can ride their Defense Florida's should be very good football team if they rebuild that offensive line I mean then I understand what you're saying. I can make the argument to Florida might be the best team but it's hard for me to see see them winning more games with that schedule especially teams like l._S._U.. George on the schedule to Andres Point. It looks to me like U._C._F.. Has the easier walk to get to the most wins. The question is will the college football community care no matter how many games we just don't know what you see. It looks like really without Mackenzie. Milkin Brandon Wimbush had some really nice moments in Notre Dame and Darryl Mac did a good job of playing his place but Mackenzie Milton's a special player and we don't know what that offense looks like certainly in this last twenty four month era that U._C._f.. Has had their success without Milton at the reins well. We'll keep breaking down everything that the state of Florida has including not just the teams but the quarterbacks what's better than talking about teams talk about quarterbacks with former quarterbacks. We're going to do that next on college football a lot don't forget A._C._C.. Network is coming August twenty second visit did a D. N.. Dot Com check availability. If you don't see your provider listed demand they carry A._C._C. Network and now I fought from geico motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to take spirit animal quiz online these be Cheetah the Cheetah and learn your animal isn't isn't the Cheetah but the far less appealing blood fish come on glad insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen blood fish minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance to Geico Geico fifteen minutes could save view fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. John Allege football lie is brought to you by state far Tom to an agent today at eight hundred state far aw we're breaking down college football from across the State of Florida in College Football Live Dan Orlovsky Andre where I'm Jason Fitz. Obviously if I've got a couple of quarterbacks we're gonNA talk about quarterbacks. We've touched on this a little bit but there's an interesting N- quarterback battle in Miami. The question becomes as we take a look at it. Dan Is this tape mortels job to lose in your mind no not not at all because he hasn't done anything deserve. The top spot. Yeah I mean take Marto was a highly touted recruit that went to well how stay in lost out in that job battle with Dwayne Hoskins Haskins goes on to have a great year. They utilized Martell a little bit certainly in short yard situations down in the red zone. He was not a proficient passer in a bunch of mop-up duty but we don't no no much about tape martell. What we do know is that there's three guys down there at Miami? They're going to have an opportunity to play tape. Martell the athlete that we saw run around and make some place for Ohio state last year when Dwayne Haskins had given them a huge leader in running situations Nicosea Perry who started some games for Miami last year and had some good moments and then Jaren Williams the biggest thing with the quarterback battle down in Miami is this their head coaches Manny Diaz. He's a defensive coach. I Promise Pharmacy Defensive Coaches want you to do one thing. Protect the football. WHOEVER DOES THAT WE'LL BE MIAMI? Starting quarterback. I had the hurricanes twice last year and I saw the flashes of with Nicosea period that you you just discussed also saw so I'm getting benched at the end of the season as well and tape martell. Is You know the new Ferrari that just parked in itself in the garage. It fits a little bit better in that garage and Danino says offense. They want to run the football. They WANNA be dynamic with with the quarterback from the quarterback position he gives them that that ability with his being the athlete that he is one of you mentioned it as well. The one of the more or highly recruited dual threat quarterbacks coming out of out of high school went went to Ohio state had some flashes there. I just think he fits what they WANNA. Do offensively at Miami a little bit better than more of the pro style quarterback Nicosea Perry was in Mark Rick's offense will gentlemen. Let's remember at the end of the day. Manny Diaz was around Perry every day is events coordinator last year and he's still went into the transfer Puerto and still actively recruited tape Martell to come there so point that has to mean something at some point now Miami doesn't get all the quarterback fund Florida state gets to have a battle of their own so I ask you Andrea when you look at the Tallahassee situation. Should there be a quarterback competition there I think I think there's always competition but you have a guy. That's your favorite James. Blackman has moments last year. He was a sixty four percent passer in limited duty through five touchdown passes on we one interception. That's what you want. If you're Willie tag a guy that can take care of the football push it down the field. I give you an some explosion in the passing game and he can move move around a little bit. He spent the offseason building his bodies a lot stronger and he came to colleges like one hundred sixty seven pounds. He's up over one ninety now. He is committed to his craft. He's committed to the program and that's what you want as. As a head coach you don't WanNa mess around with that a little bit because it's delicate especially at that position for a guy. That's going to spend one year in your program. I'm actually excited to watch James. Black men play for Florida state this year. I think he's a really good player. Remember two years ago. We kinda burst on the scene in played as a true freshman played relatively well. Here's the interesting part Kendall browse comes over to be their offensive coordinator and so we know his background is going to be run. RUN RUN. Take shots down the field. James Blackman is a fantastic deep ball thrower especially to marry interiors a wide receiver. They've got Alex Hornibrook that transfer from Wisconsin over. I just don't see the fit in this offense that wants to quarterback to be able to move just a little bit and then they do do we see Alex Tony. He's had some success that Wisconsin certainly was part of a dominant run game but was never in any capacity a threat to run the football and I know Willie taggart still wants to have that is some some part of his offense so I just don't fit I also went through this guy's name into the conversation Jordan Travis as it transferred from Louisville. I Did a Louisville game last year. Jordan Travis ended up playing at the end of the game and he did some nice things he's as a threat athletically. He can throw the ball he's transferred in. I do believe James Blackman job to lose but keep your I enjoyed and Travis agree there when you when you look at what Florida state where they need to get two terms of getting bowl all eligible I think James Blackman certainly gives them. <hes> that that edge or that leads them in that direction no doubt about it well. You guys have made great points but I'm not sure you've really elicited great confidence in me if I'm willing tagger who earlier requesting if he's coaching better better security the job. I'm not sure they haven't answered there that they feel comfortable getting to greatness with gooky breaking it down across Florida as we have been all show coming up next. We're going to ask the guys to do what seems virtually impossible Dream Team of all states of <hes> of all stars from across the State of Florida. We'll do that next. Joel Scott the God it again aw viewing Monday thirty episodes of Payton's place Peyton manning taking all over with football's history and culture available only on E._S._p._N.. Plus you don't WanNa miss it. It's College Football Live Jason Fitz Andre Ware Dan Orlovsky and we've been taking you all through the state of Florida now. We asked Dan and ask you. I do the impossible put together. You're all Florida best of team for all time. You hit it on the head. It's impossible. There's so many players I went with Ken Dorsey quarterback surrounded by a ton of talent work done Frank Gore at running back here at work and Andre Johnson at Receiver Jeremy Shockey and tight end but live here work was at Dune in college. He was the gold chain wearing deep threat receiving he was a guy that we coin to dead-leg from work. Done was a generational running back meaning. He could play an any generation. It didn't matter so many good players but that was my offensive unit. No one's going to beat it all right. Let's see Andre gives your offensive you yeah yeah I agree with Peter Warrick. He made my list as well because he had hiccup speed and quickness could change directions at the stop at the drop of a dime but I don't know Dan I went on the easiest part of this one was picking a quarterback. Tim Tibo covered two-time national champion one heisman trophy than Emmett Smith in the Backfield to Florida guys but Tim Tebow gave Urban Meyer everything groundwork he threw it. He threw it. Well Emmett Smith on the ground became the N._F._L.'s all time leading rusher. What a combination from Florida? It's clear that Andre One on the offensive side. Let's look at your defense. Obviously in the mid ongoing with the big fella warned Satin gender changed the defensive line certainly the three technique position those linebackers were bad men. Jonathan Vilma Derrick Brooks Super Athletic. We got prime on the back end and Sean Taylor Jonathan Vilma was he hit me one time just like he's GonNa hit this Nebraska tight end underneath the Chin and split my tongue in half a loaded defensive vilma was such an impact the linebacker I got the I might have the best defense ever in college football with my guys. Let's see Andrea. What did you put together for your defense? You could fill out the defense. I would just Miami players very much with the exception of Prime Dion Primetime Sander but you look at it Ray Lewis. How can you leave him off your list along with Derrick Brooks at at at from Florida state to playmakers Cortez Kennedy Jerome Brown at Miami? They were there before south so they got that whole defensive line thing started at Miami. What Sa- players they oh? This is on this I think we can we can obviously you see here that Andre put together the better offense Dan you put together the better defense to draw. We'll let the two of you be tied at the end of all of this look at prime tackling oh man that's a great stuff Florida obviously getting underway today and the trip through all of it you guys did a great job with the impossible their dinner ski Andre where I'm Jason Fitz the most important thing Monday come back for thirty eastern on E._S._p._N.. Two for the next edition college football live thanks for hanging out with all of us have a great weekend.

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REShow: Dan Orlovsky - Hour 1 (03-02-21)

The Rich Eisen Show

55:00 min | 2 months ago

REShow: Dan Orlovsky - Hour 1 (03-02-21)

"This this is the rich eisen show today. What do you think of. Jj watt signing in arizona dj. I was shocked. I did not see that one. Come from the rich. Eisen show studio in los angeles. Thought he was gonna try cherry pick a team. If he thought he'd get him to one or circle the rich eisen show today's guests. Espn nfl analyst. Dan orlovsky espn envy a analyst. Jeff van gundy cardinals. General manager steve. Kind from nbc's young rob actor matthew willing and now or rich is. Oh righty everybody. Hey welcome this edition of the rich eisen show. I am your humble host. Rich eisen sitting here in los angeles california. Good to see chris. Brockman were there to see to see you. Everybody all hail the rich. Eisen show audio executive mike to mike del tufo. Hey look everybody Already done his cardio today. Air got to you good to good job And and good to see you over there. Tj jefferson social media grandmaster of the rich eisen show. How are you sir. I'm great you know we. We we clown on mike alight. But he got it done. This look look crooked was great and look and my in your honor mike. Your honor in honor of you. I start the rich eisen show with my bad. i'm reading. I back my best raising my hand. And mike del tufo on break that down. Brockman take bad. I will always own up to stuff. I will say. I did think. Mike was going to miss that drop. That's that's that's a freak me out. I'm like wait a minute. Brockman learned ventriloquist them. Smells not move my bad my bed because i'll own up to i have to say Twenty twenty one is is just two months and now two days old right. I don't know. I think i probably had this take at the end of two thousand twenty so worse takeoff had in in in months in the last few months worst take a my bad trade. Your whole team for james harden. I think that has to be. Maybe my worst hake like why. Go back because again. Let's let's just put it on perspective. Here i'd hire register about that way. Okay right you don't like a because the guy was all you know honey bond outright literal fat. I don't wanna do that do that. Because i'm you know i'm i'm not I'm not a you know a total specimen. So i i i need to. I need to i need to. I need to slow my roll a little bit there. All right he was. He looked a little bit bigger community us as dan. Patrick okay and so And we're wondering about his work ethic and this guy Doesn't come through in the clutch right. It's not his absolutely man. I mean absolutes is james harden The most sophisticated In terms of Coming through in clutch most slighted self made man he. He's not he's not somebody. That was a first. Overall selection. obviously was much ballyhooed coming into the nba but sixth man right. Let's not forget he's he was. He's played with durant before coming off the bench right like this is was a sixth man. Didn't win the sixth man of the year award. Once upon a time he did he was he did. He was the third overall pick but he he was. He's still you know he didn't step into starting rules right right. He was six men and twenty twelve. Right now look at him. Now look at him. He's he's not. So so i i was. I was buying into the well. His work ethic is this is not that. And he's trying to get his way out of town and to solid james harden according to espn stats and info relies. Pardon me. I don't want to get in trouble. Eli people get very upset. If you know credit where it's due his triple double last night in the overtime win over the spurs first ever triple double with thirty or more points. Fifteen rebounds fifteen part of me fifteen more cysts ten or more rebounds and zero turnovers since turnover. Since personal individual turnovers started being recorded in the nineteen. Seventy seven. Seventy eight season. That's by the way that's his seventh. Triple double since joining the nats in. Just twenty two games which He's closing in on record for most triple doubles in a season. By an jason kidd had twelve and fifty one games before he was traded in the middle of the. Oh seven oh eight season. that's going down because kyrie's get used to it. Now he goes. I think we should start. Employing the phrase get used to it. That's what he said after and durant's not even now playing drifts not even health dare. They went for an owner west coast. Swing without all right. I turn to you sir. Again i turn to you t j jefferson wa your sixers. I think that's the only chance he only chance. Wow you're out the box two time. Mvp one one of my also bad takes was don't trade everything. Don't blow up the heat for. I might by the end of the day and by the end of the damning ten some odd years from now be. I might call you on like my sixtieth birthday. Knock on wood and say you know what i was right this one. I'm already my badin. See the tyler. Herro isn't quite yoenis. Admitting no i'm not i'm still think the heat who are coming on strong a little bit lately. I'm i'm i'm still believing the heat Our our team at shouldn't be broken up for janas. I still believe that. But who's do you think there's anybody in brooklyn anybody who roots for the nets. Anybody who's maybe like kyri. Who grew up loving draws petra. Vich sitting there off of what exit fifty eight on the garden state parkway was sitting there. Yeah away who has who has nothing but those good feelings of the old brendan byrne arena threat. They played in piscataway n. Brennan also just like you think. There's anybody sitting there thinking man. All those pictures gave up for james as of right now. No that's again. Why i always say whenever these big trades were made you know that's a lot to give up well who the hell cares if it works out if a trade works out. Nobody ever talks about what you gave up. Nobody remembers it. Nobody the only trades were huge draft choices were employed that you talk about it or when trae doesn't work out like honestly we'll be talking about the herschel walker trade forever so for us so right right. Yeah well for you. You didn't get when you know the herschel. Walker trade is you. You got herschel. I mean you got herschel off you that a five dollar ten dollar fine right there for that was Social media grandmasters phone not on on one nine used to collect money in a hat for that we did. We did back in the day. We haven't done that in a while but added rate so james harden to salute good job The atlanta hawks have fired. A lloyd. pierce sets now two coaches the hawks and the and the and the timber wolves have fired their coaches Unlike the timberwolves though The the hawks just went with somebody on their staff in nate mcmillan who was just On their staff Added in this particular off. Season and mcmillan apparently met with lloyd pierce before taking the job and The timberwolves as we all know went and had fully baked long term contract for somebody that wasn't even on their staff so at least they stayed in house. The eleventh seeded atlanta hawks currently in eleventh place in the east despite adding bogdan bogdanovich and danilo gallinari orient. Clint capella just to name three rondo. I guess playoff ron. It's not regular season. Rondo is not worked out for them just yet. Now they're fourteen and twenty eleven of their twenty losses at a fourth quarter lead for them get blown so we'll talk about all this with jeff van gundy When he joins us the top the next hour and And also on this program a lot. Football dan orlovsky is gonna be first up in about eleven minutes time from. Espn steve and the man who signed jj janis. Top of hour number three. he'll can't believe. Jj watt sign with the card and matthew willing. He plays andre the giant in young rock which we know about the the rock e- plays matt. Matthew willett plays andre the giant. Some of you may know matt. Matthew will when he was matt willing on the offensive line for the san francisco forty niners mooch coach the time also you might recognize him as well. He's one of the vikings from the watson. Your wallet commercials. That's one of the first things he did. Now he's matthew actor playing andrea char. Our number three. You also may know him from the greatest mooch story ever well. I don't know if we can repeat that. What what what we're gonna do is just go ahead and go to our youtube page youtube dot com slash rich eisen show a story that mooch tells privately league once brought up on the air to willing because it it involves a kevin bar back time a cell phone cell phone That barlow was always on and the offensive linemen who could not stand him being on the phone Doing something with the phone placing it in a where. The sun does not shine in. The place belongs to matthew. Will eggs reread speaking of young rock or something rock you stole. We say in his wrestling promo take taken object shining up turn it sideways and place it somewhere so actually connected to talk so for me. This story up to matt wilson. Oh my gosh got that much more interesting. let's put it that way. Say one thing here. Chris brockman hey rich. The new york knickerbockers. Wow the new york knickerbockers. What's their record right now. Hold on don't tell me their record right now okay. Don't tell me their record right now. Because i am seeing videos. I am seeing them all over the internet. I'm seeing them. All over the internet of jubilant knick fans outside of madison square garden celebrating. So let me ask you. this question. Did the new york knicks have. And maybe that's what van gundy's coming on did the season and did they give out the lowry ranches rien trophy to the new york knicks. Did they give out. The larry o. B. to the new york knickerbockers. No no no no no. No it's all about the larry o. B. unless the larry o. B. is going eighteen and seventeen in your first thirty five games. Is that what the next record is chris. I'm just throwing darts at a board here to see if i'm accurate. Eighteen and seventeen the four seed in the east. The new york knicks gonna host a playoff game in front of twenty five ziggys and hundred zero ziggy and the owner to agent appropriate lady friends his sitting on either side necessary but accurate. Hey everybody don't look across. Look across the brooklyn bridge. Do not avert your eyes from the sudden mediocrity. But there's signs of life right. Chris their size life. I love i i do like watching him play and i have even gone higher register fun team to watch. Julius randle is playing out of his skull yes. He is playing all star caliber basketball. Twenty three eleven. Rj is up and down seven young. Still young bull. Not all you look. He's he's. he's kind playing like the current dupe levels. Oh boy wow no. i'm serious. Sometimes what no i mean. It's accurate. He's on the bubble of bursting out. True that right fair seventeen of other guys that are coming in and playing hard for coach tibbs eighteen seventeen i i will just say this it is great it is great certainly when the other way could be seven twenty eight like past years. Eighteen and seventeen looks like thirty and five by. Did i do proper math. By the way and off the top of my head did that just happen. Did i just come up with figures that add up to thirty five. I'm just assuming you did. Because i can't count either boy. It's great to see. Honestly if mike del tufo becomes an internet. Ip wizard math. Off the top of my head. I think you picking up what i'm putting down. I sit here. And i go back and forth where i'm like yes. The knicks are beginning to actually show signs of life. The coach some of these players. They're they hit on draft choice in emmanuel who is just so much fun to watch. Oh let's go train. For derrick rose and put the brakes on this. I'm not gonna go there. Don't go negative. Just stay positive. And then you see the rest of these folks out there going crazy over eighteen and seventeen and i sit there and i go down the dolan wormhole. I say these are. The people that don't win is counting on hunting. I'm i go round airport. Sit there and i think you are sheep your sheep your hair. Eighteen and seventeen when across the brooklyn bridge. You're seeing what championship basketball there. The aggressive ones. They're the ones with the stars. They're the ones who have a shot to win it all not going eighteen and selling seventeen and celebrating. Like you're throwing tickertape in lower manhattan. Easy and i'm sitting here. Thinking hardens not in madison square. he's in barclay center. Connery could have easily said. He grew up a die. Hard knick fan in new jersey because that's probably half the ziggys. I'm seeing running around outside penn station probably taken and nj transit. Go back home. The bridge and tunnel crowd run around wearing a full fudge. Let's cuts we got a lot to work out of my system. I thought we were just peaking. But no i'm sitting her. I'm sitting there thinking. Kyri could easily said. I grew up nick fan. He's going brooklyn. Durant knicks put rance face on some sort of brochure or pamphlet. I just have a great summer and durant like i'm going to brooklyn. They put him on a building across the street guarded. Put them right on the wall. Do not in midtown manhattan. But what's in midtown manhattan is caused for excitement. But they're running around. I just i saw that video. And i'm like the the nineteen nineties version of me watching. Charles smith still trying to make a layup but the nineteen nineties version of me was like we're not close. Thank god the ninety knicks were not eighteen. Seventeen in celebrating about some conflicted. It's basically what i'm saying You know when you start way inflicted. But i'm saying honestly i'm seeing this video. Nama beat better than i like. You've been there before but the age of the people. They have never been a games worse. They've been twenty games worse so eighteen and seventeen but don't forget the eye of what's going on is across the east river. That's what you should want. The question is is that what you're going to get based on what's currently cooking. I mean just hope again just hope again. The owner stays out of it because the owner hired some somebody from caa. Just the road. Here in los angeles say go be the president and now things are beginning to work and that is the four seed now the difference between the four seed and the ten seed of a. I'm going to attempt to do right now. Three a difference in the winds and one in the laws. That's just two games one in a loss. That's it that's the thing about. The hawks are just fired. Their coach their wizards bradley. Beal and westbrook finally plan. And now suddenly darren a mix next accept the fact that the brooklyn nets are gonna destroy everybody except your team your team aid embiid and simmons and tobias harris and steph curry and all those young guys that are front daryl. Morey is put together. I know have a named all of them put together with doc. We'll see a little bit more. We need a little bit more. Lots coming up. Don't you think i with all right. Let's take a break here. Let's be on time for dan. Orlovsky best we can and then after this one thing about the nba. That i have not brought up. That i will bring up after dan before. Jeff van. gundy me. I think we might even have the birth of a new segment. Something i've noticed noticed something. I'm not gonna say it three different times three different flight eight. Dan orlovsky coming up. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. 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Piece of booting bread factory. They made this crate richeisenshow logo. I an argument. I hold it and we see if drew can break it like like french bread. I mean just be one of the most accurate. Throwers the national football league. That i mean. Are you checking that on the flight. Home now what about what about those taking one of the football breads and going in throws for a pass and catch the the bread the bread. Okay so we do that. And then and then this gets preserved. We don't have to break that right or if he catches it then. I get an attempt at a tat. The okay you're showing off. You're you're showing off your leadership. So he's gotta take control of. You're you're you're right so this is of the laces protruding nicely. You see okay. Just got layer outing really. Does this film with seventy four. Yeah so just kind of pop up there. We go perfect. We'll post. Oh look easy but this is to sorta over here. You are at all come on through. Just finally miss some missing target for okay. I can't even watch. You're too competitive to do that. Go fast the bread lives another day. I thought he was taller. Malone said one more march and he just he. We have a photograph of the we have put together. Those are the days when he could throw ten yard. Heave audacity day. What is your problem. Dan what is your problem in. Truth baby doll case drew brees. I hope becomes back. That'll be great. Does everyone else in the nfc. South bend say ever thought i have cape for goat. Pretty much. Owns every record in the books but back here in the rich eisen show our radio audience. Eight for two four riches the number to dial Let's talk some football talk quite a bit about the nba to start the program. But jj watt is summoned with the arizona cardinals as we know. The quarterback carousel is spinning off. Its axis because as. I pointed out the tom brady. Effect is in full. Play here all the veteran quarterbacks looking brady thinking maybe the way that i've done it Isn't the only way and let me try it somewhere else where everyone's gonna love to have me as opposed to here where i'm trying to play within a system or have a coach that has a system or there's into team out there thinking maybe we're just one player way. Let's go do it. Let's be aggressive so let's talk about From espn get up and so much more. Our friend dan orlovsky back here on the program. How are you dan. what's going on in boston. I'm doing absolutely fantastic. how are you doing. I'm doing fine that i see in the commercial. Break you in damian. What he tweeted about being on the peleton bike. That i see i just got off the iron ore sousa really impressive performance if i may so much myself very good I saw what he wants to get on. So i'd love to kick his to on that too. Okay so Are you are you putting on your peleton profile. All the other Organizations that you might want to broadcast for outside of espn. That's just somebody else that's fake. That would go over really well with jimmy. Yeah yeah well you you. It'd be caja orlowski right. That's the way it would be all my agent my agent david kuni meddlesome at ta would be on me in ten seconds. Delete we got the. I'll take that down. Gosh well let's let's let's talk about. I guess the here now. Dan orlovsky because i was feeling a little bit of heat the other day and i was wondering is it just hot outside or is that dan orlovsky take that the seahawks should fire pete carroll. He stands in russell. Wilson's way could that have been it. Dan the that that was a that was an accurate. Feeling of mine Here's here's why. Stand on the russell wilson situation okay. It's one of two things. I don't think this is football related. I don't think russia's bent out of shape of his offensive line or whatnot. I think this is either that he's unhappy. Playing with the defensive minded coach that in halfway through the season or ten games to the season last year decided. Okay we got to run the ball a little bit more and you know on around a lot of slowing down a little bit. He's unhappy doing that. And it's about that relationship or this is about twenty years from now. Russell wilson russell brand and legacy and trying to become the. Nfl's magic johnson so to speak when it comes to ex player businessman and the seattle seahawks out which one it is 'cause if it's about russell wilson's brand twenty years from now. His mind is already made up. It's done no one more year in seattle. Not going to change that so i would say in that moment you gotta figure out a way to move him now because his stars the brightest get as much as you can from them from a desperate organization if it's about p. russell was like no i. I notice to leave seattle. Wanna play her forever and this is about being unhappy with the style of organization to the brand of football. Then you gotta sit there and go well. Is it replaced repairable between those two guys. That if it's not are you gonna give up. Russell wilson to keep pete carroll. I would not okay so Let's parse this a little bit Because you're an also perfect to ask about this Former quarterback who also is outstanding it watching tape and communicating about it rust the three hundred ninety seven sacks offensive line or is russ not thrown on time or what would pete carroll say about all those sacks that have been suffered by the quarterback and and whether it's the system all the offensive line or or a team effort if you will ya on that front dan. Some of them aren't russell. There's no question about it Pity forty offensive line to russell. You know obviously it takes everybody receivers wrong route. You know poor communication all that stuff. But i heard that gets ed over the past couple of weeks that russell owns some of them because of his style football and i've kept my mouth quiet on it because i feel like in when people say well. No no duh. But that's why he's russell wilson if everybody wants to play this efficient brand of football and get it out on time or something like that. He's not going to be who he has over the last nine years. Like it's a give or take if you want the special russell if you want the great russell if you want the guy that over the last decade been one of the five best quarterbacks in football you're gonna have to take some of that stuff. He can't be come special. He can't be special without some of the negative aspects of it and that's just the style of football he plays so to say russell shouldn't hold onto the ball that long. Well then you're gonna get a four yard completion and anybody can do that so again. I just don't know. I i i i think what you just you know your your first answer. Where if it is about russell down the road and setting himself up for down the road I agree with you is mine will have to be made up and then you have to figure out how you get something for him. The thing is with pete carroll. He's turned seventy this fall. I can't imagine he'd he'd he'd throw his hands up right and say well. It's the end of that I i can't imagine that this this relationship is going to end in divorce This summer are just don't i don't feel it. I don't have that spidey sense. Dan and i i in peach smart enough to also no You know how to how to navigate this although that athletic story the thing that that left out at me was that there could absolutely be among time on planet earth. Where with all due. Respect to brian schottenheimer. He feels that he's got the ability to tell russell. Forget it get out of the room or say something make him storm out of it It there's just a lot of confusion from here to be honest. i think there's a. I think there's three parts to that for me Number one it begins with. What could you get for him. I think that that's a fair question to ask if the chicago bears. Who need a absolute dude at the physician are gonna throw you three or four. First rounders then. It becomes very real consideration as great as russell is. I think the second thing is what is their opinion on. Somebody in the draft may make love a guy like trae lands right and they love them and go. Well we love trae lance. We think he's gonna fall somewhere between ten and fifteen if we get three or four first round picks maybe we could pack jump to go go up and get free lance and the third thing would be this and i've said this a couple of times now pete and john schneider have to experiences in their time together in seattle one early on when russia was cheap and everyone around him was really good and well paid and they won the super bowl and then when they decided to pay russell as they should have top dollar because he He's that good and they've struggled to replicate that success. They may sit back and go. You know what we tried it the other way. We tried to do it that way. It is really really really hard and we have one of the best guys. Let's go back to the other way. I think those are all layers. That are part of this conversation for seattle. Dan orlovsky here on the rich eisen show. So what is the answer With them staying together if you you know you dan. Orlovsky consultant could be hired by seattle. But what is the offensive mixture. 'cause you've got it up to me. Decay metcalf has the ability to wind up number one in the entire. Nfl like he just saw that leap forward and lock. It is phenomenal. And they do have a running game that they they wisely employ. You know from time to time what. What is the answer to let russ cook. I mean what were. We got here dan. Because i don't think this is going to be a divorce. I just don't. I don't feel it. Yeah so. I started seth walder their their new offense coordinator shane waldron. Excuse me shane. And so i was with shane. Waldron three years ago in la when he was really tight ends coach with the rams. And you could see super very much observant. You know really. Paying attention to sean and matt lafleur and those conversations went out so it starts with him. What's his philosophy. What's his believed how to take russell to the next step so to speak when it comes to taking. Let's hit being less on the run. And i think it's looking at all of russell's place and going okay. The eighty percent of the plays that we have also that you play within the structure of the offense and the structure of the sometimes gets dumbed down for people just because we say structure of the offense doesn't mean it's thinking dunk doesn't mean it's this boring Elementary passing game. It just means within the structure of everybody tied together. Hey this is a shot. Play where we're gonna roll you out and set you up in between the middle of the field on the half fourteen yards deep. We're gonna try to push the ball sixty yard field if it's not there you're gonna find two to three to check down out let that. It's still within structural play so eighty percent of those plays russell. Do we believe that we can play top three positional football and do that. Yes all right so then. Let's look to the other twenty percent. Why do they happen. is it. Because they're offensive. Line is terrible asking them too much in their past protection. Schemes are communicating. At the line of scrimmage do you try to do too much. is it situation football when it's one score. All those things get tied into trying to figure out. Because richard really come down to three to five plays a game three to five. Plays a game where you go. You get rid of that bowl a second sooner or we gotta build in a hot for you a little bit more or you know what our center can't do this. We gotta stop asking do that. That is all entailing of trying to figure out how to get him happier quote unquote on the football field. And i think a we boiled it down to the to the To the crux of the matter dan. It seems like those three to five places. Where ross and pete at different difference of opinion on what to do in those three five plays right and where where in three those three to five plays that are a difference of opinion russ does what he wants to do and turns the ball over. That's when pete's like screw it. That's it i mean we're we're we're going to tap out here on all that business and we're going to get back to basics and we're going to try and win football games that way. That's and that's it laughing. Throw into that richest. This that is not just an offensive identity. You can't do like. I said this about when cam went to new england this past year with josh mcdaniels. Yes you want to do those things as an offense and that might help you play better and more efficient air error-free on offense but does it play winning football. You know like winning football is connected to what your defense is. Sometimes your defense isn't good enough so you can't do that as a quarterback like i do believe russell got to a point last year i said this on. Nfl live many times. Russell sit there and goes. I gotta scored thirty five game. I'm not just trying to play good. I have to play to win. And unless you have the the complementary aspect of the football team that philosophy on offense doesn't mean it's going to equal win that's the real kind of reaching point or whatever that those those to have to kind of get to a an agreement on a few more minutes is smart football. Talk with dan orlovsky. Nfl live get up and fell and college. Football analyst from the worldwide leader in sports Perfect guy also to ask about Stafford in los angeles knowing stafford knowing what he can do knowing the rams knowing mcveigh knowing what they think he can do. Houses marriage can work. Do you think. Oh fantastic. I put them as a third team to beat in the nfc. They're still question marks with the with the the bucks and the packers who are going to be one to free agents I'll say this the style of all that for the the multitudes of play action. Pass the hardball which is like that. Quick bake hill and trying to get like twelve fifteen yard. Chunk throws you gotta throw into small windows. Obviously perfect for matthew stafford skillset both ball handling and arms think twice and then the ball play action. You're going a little bit more drawn out thinking you're trying to really get those big throws down the field. That's what that offense missed last year. His skill set his athleticism to strong arm. He's going to be allowed to do that. They've got to add one more speed piece on the outside. Do believe that wide receiver to kind of take off. The top of that coverage is going to help their play action. Game number two. He's going to increase their dropback game. Sometimes it doesn't work sometimes. The defense is going to commit the stopping that rather than the run or whatnot. So you gotta be able to play plaques or dropped back football and that's not something that jarod did well not your stuff for can so show me got a a comfort level knowing right. This guy can cut apart of defense. Because he's just so good so smart seen so much and then the last thing is he can throw guys open better than jared because when you have talent vision you see colors yushi windows. You can make those sidearm throws a little bit more That's going to help And so it's a fantastic. Skiing fit style of play fits. I'd say this matthew stafford has had a top ten defense in his. nfl career. One time he went eleven and five that year. He's never had a top ten run game. Ever the rams average two hundred and thirty six yards per game on the ground last year matthew stafford best season is like eighty nine something like that. But that's what the average last year. His best seasons like one on one so he's never had a top ten defense in the top ten run game and her never been in this environment. I think for those two reasons. We'll we will see the best version we've seen of matthew stafford with the rams and dan orlovsky hits before i let you go You know this isn't just for me. Because i'm a jet fan. But the jets do have a lot to say about the next couple of months and how that domino effect can affect everybody if they keep darnold that means that might trade the second overall pick if they use the second overall pick on a quarterback that makes darnold available for somebody else or the ultimate mother load if they somehow convinced the texans to realize what the rest of the free world is currently realizing That they wind up with watson. What do you think the jets wind up doing over the next seven weeks that affects the rest of the nfl. As i sit here now marceca. I think they'll keep sam darnold and trade the second fix I think what they'll do is keep sam darnold and make everyone thinks that they're absolutely head over heels in love with jack wilson to force a team to go get him candidly. I have not studied jack wilson. Every snap exact wilson. I've seen a couple of games on fields right now. Getting to wilson force in the list so I'm intrigued by on. I'm intrigued by fields as well. I think they both have some really interesting traits. But i've just say this. Be super cautious on packing passing up on a really talented player because he had an absolute disaster around him He from the right stuff. Sam darnold. He's made from the right mentality. He's still incredibly talented and young. And i just believe that the jets coaching staff the timing of when they went to new york they did not study those young kid yet so then choosing the jets over all those other options. I think tells us what the coaching staff believes in. Sam darnold as of right now. I think they'll keep him so the darnold that we we evaluated in usc and could possibly see still exists based on the the dumpster fire that frequently surrounded him over the first three years of his career. You think that fits the shanahan system. That's being brought over. By robert saw unquestionably. That is the perfect system percent on the perfect system. For a lot of quarterbacks were very friendly system But i think it's really really good fit. I always say don't we should never say fit. Can the player excel. And i think sam darnold can excel in that offense dan. Thanks for the time. Look for my call. Please keep keep looking at that credit. That's dan orlovsky couple things here. I you know. I'm lockstep with them on stafford here in los angeles. You know that. I am with you guys and there's a lot of smoke. I've no idea if it will wind up with actual happening because the lions brass did speak today saying they think is a first top notch receiver in the league. But you know he's a free agent and boy you wanna talk about speed on the outside. They could take the top of the defense off which is what all off-key just mentioned the rams need what if they tell stafford. Guess what he's gone. And i don't know how they make it work or make it fit or whatever but you know less need usually figures it out where you think when you just when you think they have no room left to make some sort of stunning maneuver they do. What would that be like woods. Cup golladay baby. Stafford that line cam akers for starters at that position. Darrell henderson. right malcolm brown. I don't know what his contractual status. But what about that. How about that. What do you think about that. The dynamite and all of a sudden. It's just like oh stafford. What did he win right. And i know look. I know the name what the name of the show is. And they're my team. Whatever but the jets do hold a ton of cards here. What are they going to do. What will they do. The draft starts with the number two pick correct. Well we all know right exactly. So and so what will they do. What will they do. I don't. I don't know how many times i say in different inflection. Because i don't but it's so interesting. How different analysts in our business. See things differently i daniel. Jeremiah is locked in their training. Sam darnold and taking zack wilson number. Two dan orlovsky just said he sees them trading the number two pick making well. i mean it making. It seem like that they love that wilson so much who's gonna come get them and make them a ridiculous deal could you ride. And then they and then they use all of those draft choices to replenish this team. A daniel jeremiah. Said two years ago they needed a noah's ark off season because they need to move everything does this excite you or where you a little bit. Oh we'll be right back on that and then some and then a new segment something. I noticed that's it. That's what it's called. I'm making this up as we go on something i noticed. I don't know if you're aware but you going to gail was brought up on game two of the nba finals. Ask because the part where the cavs were really losing at the end you know. It's that Jeff van gundy. Who's on the broadcast said. He went to school with you in a class. Do you remember a memorable remember. Jeff van gundy reverses. Now that's great. Yeah your phone wasn't up from friends. i'd seen it. I wish i'd seen him. I would be able to face and maybe some we could. Can we bring up a picture of jeff van gundy. I dunno such a stroll down memory lane here with With jodie foster. One of the middle is jeff. Van gundy does does that. Ring a bell rings whatsoever. I'm sorry jeff know class reunions at all with jodie foster. Jeff van gundy okay. I'm thrilled that. That's that's thrilling. news to me. We did notice last nba finals. I don't think we've had you on since then that we noticed you mentioned on the air that your classmates with jodie foster at yale and i shot at me afterward. I don't know. I don't like shoot ryder on and just well thing totally indifferent to my existence in the world cheap. Shot you there jeff. I mean it was a setup you know you know what crazy and stop me if i told you this story. But so are freshman. Year was twelve guys on the floor and we had some like brainiacs then. We had some misfit. That didn't belong there like myself. And so we all through one hundred dollars and said hey first guy that gets a date with jodie. Doctor you win the money right. So twelve hundred bucks. I'm coming back from kim in early fall and there's a candy shop right outside the quad refreshment and all these sirens are going by and so i stopped right in front of the candy store and watch the sirens. Go buy the popcorn is popping. It's so great and behind me Someone goes man that popcorn smells good. And i turn around and say yeah. It does andy kirk and i totally choke and i think. Yeah yeah and. I run to my dorm intimidated by so if he doesn't remember me because i blew my one team the money but the meek baby right there jeff van gundy coming on our number two in just about ten minutes time to talk about in the nba with them. Eight four four two zero four rich number at all i. I know you asked to be before the break. There's more time after. Jeff van gundy for you to ask me again. Okay the question. Just ask me if the opportunity the jets have makes me nervous or excitement is a little put a pin in her depending on them. I want to a new segment here. that i just decided i'm gonna make up and and do some cold something i noticed. Just something i notice the united. I i dunno i think. Just don't think there's any right figuring out the bells and whistles eventually but just the first one is just a spartan version. Can't play something about. don't just something. I noticed y you know what i mean. I think that's the that's the inflection. Something i noticed i noticed is what no what i noticed. We all remember back in the day right. You remember all back in the day that i can answer you're right in the nba that You know certainly it started with our friend pat riley right back in the day where he He would wear a fantastic suit. Oh wow these coaches were suits now and then it's coming it's sort of becoming basically a contest is to wear the most phenomenal suit. Yep head coaches in the nba. Were like basic models like armani suit models right. I mean just we can name all different sorts of labels but once the bubble hit and the pandemic suits went away now. I don't know if it's because that it was a dry cleaning thing or whatever like that. They're not to bring fifteen suits to the bubble or they couldn't you know in the disney bubble. They didn't have the dry cleaning form but it went away and then now now that they've come back wow to arenas and there are no fans. The suits are still gone through gone. Look at you. Look at steve kerr. Different occur was going open neck which is already becoming. It was but a little bit different. Yeah popovich went open them but pop brought the slacks. The dress shoes steve. Kerr was wearing vans right on the sideline. And i'm just kinda wondering you know it because there's no fans they don't feel like they have to dress up anymore or is that what it is. Yeah or and fans come back will they. Will we ever go back to the suit wearing let's over. Nba look quin snyder. He always comes. Look look at the shine on his shoes. Twenty nineteen now. Now look at him by. No one is more pissed that he can't wear a suit and quits. Honestly if when we get on the show do we talk to him about how fantastic seasons going or no. What do you think's on this very subject. Doc rivers docs painted glass season. This season. it's like is going to the gym. Like he's just hopped off the peleton by the new. Look you do yeah. Well of course you do. They don't have to spend any money on it the stuff free per and to wear the same thing every day. No one of course you love it. I'm rick del tufo. I like the casual. Look the comfort of out there. Trying to coach basketball game. What gundy like left side. It looks like stand about to sell your car buying a car. But they're all matching if you notice you tell them the right stands way more comfortable. Nobody wants your out there. Sweating running around coaching in a suit. You don't want to have on man you want to be a little moving. I don't know what it used to be. And i'm just wondering. Is it going to be baseball at some point. Connie mack stopped manager. Stop stressing liked him and then they started. You know put our. They put on a uniform like they were playing. And i'm just wondering if this now. Nobody dresses like connie mack anymore. And the nfl is we know tom landry hatton madden used to have a tie flapping in a win then known addresses like that. I'm wondering if right now we are watching the end of nba coaches now getting suited and booted for games back when the fans are back. And i'm just wondering just like the bubble was just like bring suit. And did they all get together and say don't bring the suit to the bubble they did. I think wasn't agreement was an agreement. We're not gonna get dressed up in a bubble but now that they're out of the bubble and they're back on the road they're back on the planes or back in the arenas and i know there are fans every arena. They decided we're not. We're not suiting up like what. If one coach you start getting sued in buddha with would they would other coaches looking good. What are we doing. Probably what are you doing because there's going to be that one who will who's going to break it who's there are fans back. It's definitely going to be quin snyder. That's your that's your bet. Oh guess he cares so much about what he looks like right down to the product in air dress shoes the perfect suit. What's it gonna take full. Arenas is that what it is but then when it all comes down to it is it. Been no is it. Something earth shattering no chuck daly rocking that. Look just something. I noticed right. 'cause that guy was at school coach saying our dressed like that back pat riley pissed off. He's like jack donna. Gay wears a suit or talks after six. Yeah minor inches something. I noticed van. Gundy that thank you jeff. Van gundy top of hour number. Two steve time the general managers brought. Jj watt to arizona. He has landed by the way. There's an interesting post by the zona cardinals that we'll talk about now number two and matthew will league as well see jeff van gundy. He likes the way he looks right there right. I think jeff's the perfect guy to ask this question. I know suzy had both steve. Current doc rivers on last week out. Ask them i. I'm fascinated by the subject matter fascinating. Let me ask rich. did you notice it last week. No i you. it's kind of thing. This is something i've noticed. I'm just saying journalistic before. That's why we call it this. There's different ways to look at the title. Something and you know what i also noticed. Hockey coaches wherein so still hockey coaches are still shooting in booted. And they're not quite suits to the games do that. Oh yeah i know that. Do we know that team playing who played hockey until the cove. You're talking about hockey hockey players about nba players. The nba require the nba players. Too soon booed when they're going to a team play. That's a good question There are a bunch of instagram pages. Do quote league yet. Yeah you guys still dressing up and wearing. I'm just sitting is it. Because there's no fans that were dressing like runway models for the fans your head coach see. I'd rather talk about this. Than whether james harden is gonna keep triple-triple doubly that that's that's my affliction or don't know we take this back to wall. Street gordon gecko copied. Pat riley is look he's not copying any of these looks right now. No never but you don't look at these guys and think blue horseshoe loves anika steal them saying that's what you don't think any of these guys are water skiing behind yachts. Nope how many jets. They can fly. This is your call buddy. And they're not looking at at the at the stan van gundy on the screen and saying that's rebel breaking it up because it's rabble amount of my wall street references. I'm done look at kir. Look at curry's right. But the coaches are matched. I like it took what he has been on the quin snyder. Don put quincy carter's talks. Talks wants to break back in bath up. He's got a belt. He's got the belt matching the shoes. You know an mask matches the shirt matches. The shoes matches the he wants so bad to get back in a suit. You know it. When was the last time. Quin snyder had a carb. Maybe when he was at duke. That dude is put together. I like the cat wants to bring back. You know you're right. Good what could call. He's the guy back on you. Quick nadi want to suit up. You know what this guy not so much.

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Hour 1: Divisional Round Recap

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"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes? Set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Monday. And it's time to get up with the saints who are marching into the NFC title game. Did they win it did their high flying opponents give it away? We'll count the ways in one minute. Plus the patriots Tom charms back time. Then let's the wall. No. He's heard everything we've been saying about if don't miss his fiery day on all the criticism less than ten minutes from now. And then there's Dallas the big stands for decisions that the Cowboys have the right coach and the right quarterback that take them all the way, we'll answer those questions and more invis-. Our of get awkward gets underway. Right. This minute again a very happy Monday. We hope you enjoyed all of the football this weekend. Greenie Rex Dan Orlovsky are ready to go. You're right. You feel? I did not enjoy the weekend. I'll get promise. He thought we will get to that in a moment. And explain why but we start with all of the drama yesterday in New Orleans Saints eagles and have seen divisional round. Nick foles. Drew Brees the drama was everywhere. And the very first play from scrimmage, Dan, the to thinking, let's catch him napping. And the eagles were ready, and they came out of got the coverage they want, and they take the shot the Ted Ginn just a little bit under throwing them long right there for the pick. You start to the eagle. Res thrown just one pick in two hundred thirty six passes at home this here and on the ensuing drive off of play action. Rex that's Jordan Matthews. Thirty seven yard touchdown. Here's that man. Again. Are you kidding me? Nick foles seven nothing eagles early second quarter. It's fourteen nothing. And here's a huge moment in the game with the lead and the momentum. They're going for a big play. And instead it turns into it. And try to get a dubbing moved to earn that little pocket movement that forced Nichols to move under thrown. A bit late marshawn. Lattimore climbs the ladder for the picks radical junctures on the ensuing drive of the same type of all their down fourteen nothing. This is the third one. Mark Ingram is stuff. There's a holding call on the plight. Doug Peterson declines the penalty. So it's fourth and one you figure. Okay. The are going to punt it away right decision. You figured wrong with the as some hill. Mike westhoff specialty goats I've seen this before. Should we be surprised when you have Sean Payton? I mean, all he did in the Super Bowl was go surprise onside shouldn't be surprised here. The eagles had their defense out there. It doesn't matter when you have a guy like pizza mill later in the Dr Sean Payton, go forward on another fourth, Dan. And this is the touch had aggressiveness pays off. They kind of little fix stream throw it up to Kirkwood. Huge touchdown for the saints kick the chip shot field. Go go the China wants up fourteen ten at the half same scored third quarter. Second and twenty breeze to Tana who we realize Michael Thomas playing as good as any receiver to leak it. Sure did. Looked like the eagles knew that couldn't stop it again here. Dan, third and sixteen how just the pump fake and pump fake and pumping by breeze. The patients and finding Thomas and that sets up on the two hundred seven play of the drive Brees Thomas. It's actually in eighteen ninety two yard drive eleven minutes. Twenty nine seconds saints seventeen fourteen just over three minutes left. Saints lead is six twenty to fourteen with lots to make to support game. Can't do it for fifty two yards. It's no good. Doug Peterson is still alive. And so is everyone around the eagles might as eight foals trying to lead the league lead. The eagles are another game winning drive. You know, he's got the magic, you know, he's going to do it to my God. They're going to do it again. We know they're going to do it again, except they rushed to get a playoff before the two minute warning. And this is what happens, Dan, how did happen as a terrible break for Sean has been so huge for this team. It's the right read the right throw the right guy. Just a bad break for the eagles. Second interception of the game. For Lattimore Brel, Sean Jeffrey wide, just three drops all season, including that one. It's an extraordinarily costly mistake. States win it twenty two fourteen and for the eagles. The magic carpet ride finally comes to an end. They went to my hands and catch him a bug. I don't make that play. That's on the I'll take that loss on me that are Martinez now city city Philadelphia. That's on me. I'll take it. Just tell me love them. And so it's about I mean this game. It's tough. Not everyone can do it those moments. You know, just town. I love you just keep going, and that's what this team's about. That's what you know playing this game's about is developing those relationships too. You know, the tough part about that is you know, when it's over it's over. Why don't we gets the kicker, and there's jubilation Chicago. This is a kick in the next week as you see here. It's it's Sean Jaffrey the headline in the Philadelphia Inquirer. Top to handle top loss for the eagles. We'll talk about that in a moment. As for the winners. Kamara and Ingram continued their tradition of addressing the media as dual and as always the outfits were interesting. A lot of talking early. You know what I mean? But at the end of winter. We just had to mask up like we said we've been original. So we had two masked up. How would you describe your defenses play big two big dogs? They responded they play. They stood up when they had to save up. Hold on a pick early to of the momentum had to pick late was of helped us finish. And you know, they play big boy today man, they did exactly that the saints were punched in the mouth what responded in a big way. After the first two eagles drives New Orleans scored twenty on answered points. They outgained the eagles by more than three hundred yards the rest of the way. And that is why New Orleans is onto the NFC championship game. And the amazing run of Nick foles comes to an end here. So Dan, the two moments that sort of swing this game in the second quarter. It's fourteen nothing and the eagles go for the big play. And they get the pick. And then you get the saints going with the fake punt after they decline the penalty. Are you good with both ways the eagles played those? Absolutely. I loved the those have been aggressive ever since Doug. Got there. And they had the double move on marshawn that the thing that happens is watch foes is to move just that little bit of movement forces him to be late in on the throat. The fact that he's late on the throat allows that bowl to be underthrown just the stepper too. And it's a great play by Lattimore just playing underneath and going up and rising up and making that big play. I mean, that's it's really tied together. The rush forces pose a little bit of movement and look at the extension extension by Lattimore, it's a big deal. So I don't mind the aggression. And then I love the fact that Sean picking kind of took that turnover. It's the the penalty that gets to fourth in one eagles declining, and they stayed aggressive. And this is at the moment. Greenie, it felt desperate to me? Yes. But it was a desperate time one of those regina's when it works. Yeah. That thing gets stuffed and all of a sudden eagles are the ball on the thirty yard line at it's twenty one nothing. It doesn't look so good. As far as Doug. Peterson will go to sleep last night feeling comfortable with this. Decision to decline that penalty. Yeah. Of course, he will. But everybody in Philadelphia now, it's got their coach at hat on. Well, heck, no, you move them back and all that. Yeah. And then you're going to let drew Brees throw completion of Michael Thomas again. So now, I'm sorry. There's no way they made the right call the thing is they kept their defense out there. But here's the thing when you look at Shawn Payne. He's got the most guts of any coach in the history of this game. Why fakes it right there? But how about going forward on fourth down every coach including myself. Would it kicked the Bill go, right? All right. But when I look at this. They have a another guy old crusty guy. They Mike west the greatest special teams coach in the history of the game. I've seen him do this before. Right. And it's like getting the ball. I don't care if the defense is out there or not we have this altered competitive big athletic, personal protector. Giving the ball wedge the guys up front and pounded in there for the first now. Okay. I need to get to a couple of other things here today because watching the game all I am is a fan. I need the defensive guru. Why is Michael Tom? Thomas so open all the time. Why is it that the eagles? What happened that the eagles allowed the saints best weapon and really in some ways that only legit weapon on the outside to beat them repeatedly. Here's what happened the number one. Priority of the Philadelphia Eagles will stop that running game. Remember in the previous meaning they had one hundred and seventy five yard rushing excuse me, one hundred seventy three rushing yards in that first meeting. So that was the number one priority when you do that a lot of time. So they man Spacey you leave your guys out there the Volna Rable they're playing cover three they're doing. Whatever was the right call. Of course, not what you need to do is stuff. Michael Thomas, whoever's, playing them Rams or whatever. Fly me in I'll take twenty thousand dollars. And and then let's start this Stu, I don't care wherever the hell that Dan if you get if he's outside I'm gonna play cover two if he's inside and playing cover four why what's the difference because I get my hands on them. Yeah. I get my hands on these receivers. Don't let them free access down. Feeling over and over. I'm just like Jim Schwarzer. Great coach. Okay. He's a great coach. But he missed it on this. He's the defensive coordinator in Philadelphia, and I will admit I'm thinking the same thing on a third and thirteen. He's open fourteen yards down the field. Whatever they did. It didn't come close to working. I'm gonna go calendar. Rex because I know he's the defensive guy. I'll give you the offense inside the saints to a really good job of moving. Mike Thomas around sometimes he's buying south. This is the huge third and thirteen completion. We had seen them. This is going to be kind of like inroad a rat in row, beautiful timing ball by breeze. But we've seen him run the in from out there. We've seen him kinda run the hitter deep stop now to to coach his point. It's thirteen game on the line. Got basically a fourth or fifth string corner. One on one. Yeah. If I am a defensive coach, I'm not somebody else is going to beat me somebody else. But my Thomas book credit the saints. They move them. They motion them inside outside that does that was a great job by the staff of having exactly that play ready. But that was the one that made you on a smash your head into a wall seminars thirteen how was he wide open fourteen? Down the field. That's the whole game. I can't. Russia route you got to get this guy. You can't give them reactors and breeze in with reactions receiver his number one weapon, the timing of it. You're you have no chance, and that's what this really bothered me about. We have a ton more time to debate all the things that happened in this game. But now, let's get to the one that Rex really didn't. Enjoy patriots charging in Foxborough Brexit covering his eyes. Patriots opening drive. We're just going to show you a variety of places on the opening drive to demonstrate they could do any absolute artwork. Got call. It mystique a shape shifted throw. You saw completion Etem in a short gain in a little bit of a shovel pass to white that starts his day, which was historic. They did whatever they wanted Brady thirty five. I know exactly where the weeks thought is in that Tampa two defense completion happy yard deep enough for that first down and then Pala run game. We saw the patriots on that. Dr do whatever they want fourteen plays eighty three yards to open the. Game seven nothing. But after charging thoughts on the next patriot possession more of the same Sony. Michelle that's a fourteen yard touchdown the genius. And they were just off to the races. At this point. I play the second quarter wrecks. They had no answers for Julian Edelman. No they did. And then when you're playing street zone coverage that you're so worried about the ranking which you should have been. I mean that too. In the pro to that woman. N-nine cat is one hundred fifty one yard Brady again Philip doors at twenty one seven for now, we got that. And it just watch the physicality keep an eye on trade flowers on this play wrecks just I mean, just runs right over the top of the tackle just that's what we saw. They all day long. They got four rivers office spot or the hit it when he stayed on his spot through the rough day has bad as the first half the visits the play that really ends it because the chargers are going to get the ball here down twenty eight seven at the end of that they're going to get the opening kick off in the second hand if they score there but chance to make it again. But instead that's been king with the they originally ruled this out of bounds and they correctly overturned. His patriots ball point you thinking we'll kill the next two hours because this game is over as it can be. And it is here comes Sony Michelle for another touchdown. This is some of the most impressive in line up front that we'd seen from any team in the NFL the physicality that they played with Michelle hundred twenty nine yards. Three touchdowns job. He was the most entertaining thing in the second patriots win. And it wasn't as close as the school. You know? I know, you know, everyone thinks we suck. And you know, can't win any games. So we'll see it'll be fun immediately. You have to turn the page and you play football team today and your hat. They they had a great season. But now we're gonna play the best team. They've see did you get one night to enjoy the win actually around here. You do you get one night? And then when you wake up tomorrow morning, and it's on the Kansas City. So you get a couple of hours. So I'll be doing that. And then I'll be thinking about next week. All right next week. We'll get to but let's start with this look at that number Bella chick and Brady have now won twice as many playoff games together as any coach quarterback tandem. And again when Nolan Bradshaw was one less layer playoffs. But the patriots was never in wildcard round. So that number is ridiculous and their eighth consecutive AFC championship game. And so as you watch that yesterday, Rex what thoughts are going through your mind. The patriots reminded all of us, including me that they're the goats. I mean, Tom Brady, Bill Belichick. It was. It was a masterful performance by them. And when I look at this game. Bella check goes in housing and attack Philip rivers. And and he knows the chargers have better matchups outside than anybody. What's he do? I'm gonna blitz. The heck out of you. This isn't what the patriots normally do. They cover zero all day long. In other words, no free safety. They their main priority was. The hit Philip rivers or get them up at spot, by the way, Philip rivers outside the pocket zero completions for the game. They know that's not a strength the mobility that use it against them or his lack of mobility. They use it against a masterful. You know game plan by Bella check, the valley and pensively we've already talked about it with Dan what you're saying. An absolute clinic. I know is the words you use yesterday clinic, and we I've talked about this. We went in. And we know the patriots can go into the playoffs and kind of change the are to attack a certain opponent. I don't know if we've seen them do what they did yesterday. It was we can do power run game. Then we could go screaming we'll see here with just a little bit of how they wanna flush zone. Tony Romo talked about on the broadcast quick passing game to attack that cover three zone. So we get the short passing game. Then we'll get in the backfield who's a receiver motion him out. Get quick conversion on third down. We've seen this team do whatever they want play action. They get the run game play action Brady pocket movement. Check down. We're going to take Cordell Paddison put him out as the receiver. Bring him in the backfield to be running back. Now, we'll bring him out and make them a receiver after the snap. I mean, it was whatever they wanted to do. They did. And I'm looking at that sad Hanbo has up there completing all these passes to running backs, but you know, what? Jalen rose, always talks about position Lewis basketball. They seem to have created position Louis football. I haven't patriots don't have running backs and receivers I mean, if you think about it, Michelle white Eshelman even HOGAN to a bit in Patterson the way, they they use them. They don't have positions. Those guys are just football players that they move around and all different spaces. You're great at this. You're great at this. We're going to ask you to do all that. It's the perfect example of coaches putting players in positions to be successful. We will have more on this game. Despite erects begging us, not to as well, let's go back to Saturday because we saw the end what was really a remarkable run and an interesting season for the Dallas Cowboys were three and five at one point in the season, seven and one the acquisition. Of Mari Cooper changing the year completely fled the team in receiving yards and touchdowns. This white starting his career in Dallas in midseason. They've been beat Seattle in the wildcard round their third straight. Wildcards win Prescott becoming the youngest Dallas quarterback to ever win a playoff game and Saturday night. They fell to the ranch, and they were just beat up a little bit losing their sixth straight game in the division around their eighth straight playoff game on the road. It's yet another year where they do not make the NFC championship game in one of the highest profile. Former Cowboys Tarlo ins was added on Twitter. Hey at real Jerry Jones that time for coaching change. Don't you think to playoff wins and ten years Garrett is in the answer and never will be way to compete guys, hashtag, real talk, and I will tell you. He was tweeting back and forth with people in response to that as it went. So let me bring an Adam Schefter for the first time this week. Good morning. Shefty. What can you tell us at this point seasons? Now officially over. Jason Garrett future in Dallas. Well, T O doesn't want Jason. Back. But there has not been any indication that Jerry Jones won't have him back. I think that there was speculation early in the season when the Cowboys were struggling and floundering, but the fact that they were able to win the division and go on to win a playoff game has quieted that talk. It would be an upset if Jerry Jones decided to take action at this point time, despite the fact that Teo is calling for Jason GARRETT'S job tweeting about it and watch him out. Again, it's been interesting because there have been various points during the Jason Garrett and your where people have wanted him out where there's been speculation he'd be out, but he's done a great job of surviving. And the team has done a good job of advancing. And right now, there's no indication that Jerry Jones wanted to make a change. Now. That is not the only interesting decision. They have in front of them this off season. We got guys looking for new contracts through a few of those situations beginning with the quarterback. Well, deck Prescott is a guy that people have argued about whether or not he basically is worthy of big time contract, but he's played at such a low salary six hundred eighty two thousand dollars this past season. He could become a free agent after. Next season. Dallas probably doesn't wanna wait. The sooner you do these deals for players. You know, you want to keep the better deal. You usually get for particular player again, the Cowboys intense to pursue deck as Zeke Elliott, we saw some running back. Get aid this past off season Todd Gurley. David Johnson Levy on bells going to get paid. This of coming off season and Zeke Elliott one year left with a seven point nine million dollar cap it remained under the he's going to want to get aid as well. In addition to Dak Prescott, and that's not the only financial decision for the Dallas Cowboys Amari Cooper is gonna wanna get eight. He's headed into the fifth year option on his contract. He produced big time for that team. And when you have all these players like Cooper and Elliott and Prescott all scheduled to go into the last year of their deals. You've got some major financial work to do in the off season. And that doesn't include some the other moves that they have to make like sunny DeMarcus Lawrence who was their franchise. The last off season who's going to be a priority to resign this off season. This is always the downside to having successful seasons. The Dallas Cowboys have had one. And now it's going to cost them, which they're happy to pay. But it's not going to be easy to figure out. All right. Great workshop. He thank you so much. We'll check in with you, obviously multiple times as the week goes on let me take it to the table here. We'll do it quickly here. Dan. I want to go to you on the quarterback. And your opinions seeing what you saw from Dak Prescott have the Cowboys found their quarterback of the future. No ifs, ands, or buts. Absolutely. The biggest question. That's why this season is success for the Cowboys. Their biggest question was do. We have a quarterback the move to Amari Cooper, kind of solidified that question it also solidified for the the answer for the Cowboys Dak Prescott especially that last five or six weeks. Certainly proved listen, I'm the guy for the future continue to build around me. The biggest thing for this greenie is if you're going to sign him long-term, and he's your guy for the future, which she should be. You've got to change your offense. One hundred percent you. The change your offensive coordinator to give yourself a better chance to use all of his talents. Well, that's interesting because that takes you directly to the coaching. Do you believe Jason Garrett stays coach their long term? Do you believe that he deserves to be the coach there long greeny? I think it's interesting Adam you just talked about he's done a good job of surviving. Right. Well, the you're probably in the wrong organization, if that's all you want to achieve you know, to me forget about surviving. Let's talk about a cheering. And this is the same owner that that ended up getting getting rid of Tom Landry Brian going with Jimmy Johnson out of nowhere. I can definitely see him rolling the dice for Lincoln Riley and to me. Yes. Is it? Would it be an unbelievable gutsy move. Not a safe Mook. Yeah. Would be but who better than Jerry Jones to make that move. But that's still ear away at minimum by gree. We you and that would satisfy what you're talking about. Right. That's the offense of twenty nine thousand nine and beyond look at the. We're gonna see next weekend. We're going to Andy Reid. Incredible. Play caller. We're going to see Josh mcdaniels incredible play caller. We're going to see Sean Payton, and Sean McVeigh. These guys are creative. They're innovative. They're fearless. They use all the people around all the field. There's matchups everything if you don't have an I said this in October. If you don't have a guy like that you are failing organization before highest scoring teams in the NFL are the four teams remaining to try and win a title. We'll take our first break. We're just getting started. Stay with us. We're busy all morning long. Magic has run out for Nick foles, it we will debate. And discuss the decision. The eagles will make an should make about his future. And speaking of decisions this young man is the choice of lifetime ahead and one day to make we'll tell you what paddler Murray has to do in this hour. It's get up on ESPN. Get up is brought to you by courtyard by Marriott, the official hotel of the NFL. Hey, don't miss ion and company number one Duke and number seven Kansas highlight our big Monday doubleheader tonight, you're gonna get Zion out of the blue devils taken on Syracuse at seven eastern and then the fog Allen Fieldhouse with the longhorns and jayhawks. Don't forget that both games around the ESPN app. So you can watch from absolutely anywhere. And we'll get back to the football in a minute. But let me give you a couple of interesting NBA highlights from last night. Warriors Mavericks, did you know that Luca Danni has more all-star votes have Steph curry or Kevin Durant. And he wanted to why because he can just up like this look at the handles look at the alleyoop for Dwight Powell who could not showing you the entire repertoire last night at twenty six points, six rebounds, five assists, periods again. Nice. They'll give go taking it strong fluent it down. Let's give it the fourth quarter here because the Mavericks would have a five point lead. And Steph curry we get heated up. He was actually sensational had already hit nine threes. They're going to get it back to him here. This is ten three of the game. The warriors within two four minutes and change the way under two minutes. Now warriors or down to its current again. The floater tied at one fourteen Steph curry forty eight point zero turnovers under minutes ago curry again, yes. Three point lead left in ten seconds ago. Now Mavericks with the ball a chance to tie. The former warriors Harrison Barnes all win. No, you wins it off his foot and the warriors hold on to win it one nineteen one fourteen and what was a really good one last night out west. And as I mentioned Steph, forty eight points and no turnovers most points in his career in a game in which he didn't turn the ball over the also made a leban- threes seventh career game with more than ten. The warriors this week. We'll play the nuggets for first place in the Western Conference checking on the nuggets last night, take it on the blazers. And that's the big Nicola Yokich ease just not yoke and around second quarter. Denver down a deuce dramatic Murray. You'll get four of seven from three either both skilled big man, we have legitimate question. Look at the past little touch their Mason, Plumlee Yokich thirty two point eight hundred seventy six through three quarters this Doberman and now tied at one eight you'll catch more traditional big man stuff. Evan turner. Evan Turner has very little chance in this matchup. Look at the size dip. Not gets up by two now. Fifteen seconds left. Blazers are down four Damian Lillard had himself a night twenty six points, seven assists, six that one storm them within two three seconds left. Blazers down three here's their chance. Lillard, but the time no good, Doug. It's win one sixteen one thirteen in a good one. And so as these teams headed to a match up tomorrow night in Denver. And by these teams, I mean, the nuggets and warriors it has Denver up by a half game for the top seed in the west basketball power index give Golden State a fifty one percent chance to secure the top seen at strikes me as a very very low number. Okay. Let's go back to the football with the eagles eliminated about the saints yesterday. The speculation about the future of Nick foles can now get fully ramped up there should be no shortage of Sooners for his services effect. He seemed more than aware of after the game. It's a really unique situation something that honestly, I need time to just step back. I love the city. I love playing their you know, we have three guys in that quarterback room that can play in this league. And that's the part about it. But I'll tell you this no matter what happens. It's been a joy being playing in the city being in that quarter room quarterback room with Carson and Nate I'm going to work every day. And I know we talked about earlier, but the city means so much to me and my family. You know, and it always will. If yes today was fold last game with the eagles. What a legacy including playoffs twenty five and thirteen as the starter. Best record by any quarterback to start at least fifteen games for the eagles in the Super Bowl era. And so let the questions began at of course, we have the man who always has the answer. Shefty is back. I was quick Adam Schefter is back. All ready. I wish goodbye such a former way earlier shefty one is the future looking like at right now for foles. And for the eagles quarterback. We'll greenie despite Nick full standing in Philadelphia sports history. And he owns a place that not even Charles Barkley or Donovan McNabb could hold leading Philadelphia to a world championship. It looks like he's going to be moving on from Philadelphia. The question becomes does leave on his own choice picked his spot through free agency or do the Philadelphia Eagles trade? And that's the story line that will unfold during the off season. But it doesn't change. The fact that Carson Wentz is the eagles quarterback of the future. Carson Wentz is the quarterback that eagles believe in and want to build around. And Nick foles said all the kind and gracious things that he didn't is post. Game address yesterday. He was essentially bidding goodbye to the city because he is expected to move on this off season simply because the eagles can up a both quarterbacks as much as they like to keep Nick foles as much as he is meant to that franchise it's impossible to keep both and therefore he will be moving on. And Carson Wentz will set up shop as the starting quarterback in Philadelphia Eagles now de well done little later in the show. We'll talk about where foles might wind up and wear might make sense. Well, let's go to the winning side of this Dan Orlovsky saints in their win over the eagles yesterday. So many huge moments in this one sequence again on a third one at their own thirty down fourteen nothing. Mark Ingram stuff for no gain. And they wind up faking the punt after the eagles decline oval, and it was needed that little bit of desperation by their head coach, Sean Payton being aggressive. They'd go for that fake. Punt, and it really just gives energy you see the energy from the whole team on the field. Exactly what the saints needed in that moment. A gutsy play. Call and a gutsy moment. I it was an enormous play. There and a later in the same Dr Sean Payton coach this game with an edge to win with a desperation to fourth in one one yard out from the chip shot field goal here still early in the game. But he's going for and this came off of being thirty go from the ten just little completion. You get the ball to the closer. And you say green desperation this team's trying to get to the Super Bowl. Then the one seat at home. I love it. They were been nearly spotless on fourth day on all year long, actually, including the playoffs New Orleans. There's no fifteen out of eighteen on fourth ends including league high five touchdown. So it was a remarkable win. That was a remarkable player. And I want you to show me how they did it. Well, Sean Payton is such a great play car because he stays steps ahead of everybody else. We saw touchdown pass on yesterday's game. I wanna go back in time. This is against Cleveland. We've seen this kind of screen show up in the NFL earlier on the short lotion. Mike Thomas, and these two guys are just lead blockers. This is going to be a Risa screen by drew Brees. You're just trying to get the press off of your receiver. Easy leave block. There's by Thomas, easy completion. These two guys are blocking for the throw. It's an extension of the run game. And there's the conversion against Cleveland. I want to go back to yesterday because again steps ahead of everybody else. Sean Payton knows we've seen that play a little bit this year throughout the NFL. And so we're going to short motion again, Mike Thomas at the bottom of the screen and remember that Cleveland clip by showed these two guys are going to be lead blockers for Mike Thomas extension of the run game. Here's the step ahead instead of doing that they take Kirkwood right here. He's gonna blow bluff just a little bit and go to the corner this guy right here Hawkins. His responsibility is Mike Thomas. It's made the man I don't have to worry about him. I'm using Mike Thomas as a decoy. And as I play it watch this because the eagles are a well coached football team. You're going to have crave on the block who has Kirkwood. He's looking at Greece anticipating here comes the throw. While Brees is looking at Mike. Thomas hale. I'm just gonna pitch this out to my Thomas. It's steps ahead of the defense. It's knowing that they're well coached unit. They're going to be prepared. So Sean Payton went back in time to play that he ran in the past and allow his team to be step to head on a huge fourth downside at so remarkably good, and what you're telling me is that these guys during their Rica preparation they saw that play. They have seen that play that he ran against Cleveland and other times before so they actually were in the right defense for what they were expecting and try and paint and just put a little wrinkle in that is one of those plays you just tip your cap, you tip your captain, Sean Payton because like you're saying greedy that teams watching that clip throughout the week and they're going. Hey, guys when they get into this set and they short motion, Mike Thomas. This is what's coming and Sean Payton going steps ahead going. They know that we're going to do that. How can we change it? What can we do to be different? How about we use my Thomases a decoy slip Kirkwood? It's beautiful next level steps ahead play design and going forward on fourth them, which is so critical. Again, he did it multiple times yesterday including the fake punt and one's up being. I think at the end of the day. The reason that he wins the game, or as we continue their is most certainly disappointment in Dallas are Dak and garett belong term answers. We'll give you our opinions as we continue here this morning on get up. And here we go for the first time this week. We'll sneaky hembo, ton. The Cowboys lost their eighth straight road playoff game Saturday night. Which was the last team. The Cowboys beat on the road during the playoffs answers next. This get up on ESPN. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event a chest of drawers, there's a storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in and watch around com. 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This misses first loss in the first one of a major since the AUSSIE open eight and of it is the end of his career. It was a terrific career three grand slams groups player to win two Olympic gold medals in singles, and so again, it looks like that's going to be Randy Murray. The first round of the AUSSIE open continues on ESPN two tonight. We're going see joke of it. You're going to see Serena. They both get started. With the first major of the year. Coverage starts seventy stern. On ESPN two and on the ESPN app. Back to the football Cowboys out Saturday night after losing thirty two twenty two the Rams in Los Angeles. The Rams ran all over the they rushed for two hundred seventy three yards in the game. C J Anderson a huge part of that along with Todd Gurley in Dallas couldn't get its own running game going at all Zeke forty seven yards on twenty carries. Brought us to this or Lasky. Cowboys lost the eighth straight road playoff game. Which was the last team. The Cowboys beat on the road during the playoffs. San Francisco forty Niners finally got one, right? And you gotta go all that. Steve Young and the forty Niners at candlestick January seventeenth of nineteen Ninety-three the quarterback that beats in the hall of fame in the stadium doesn't exist anymore. All right. Let's bring Marcus spears into the conversation. Who is a former cowboy and a close personal friend of the show. And there were so many questions right now in Dallas Marcus, let me start at the quarterback position. Do you believe the Cowboys have found their long-term answer at quarterback and Dak Prescott? No questions asked. Yes, greedy. I do. But it let's let's provide some context here. People have had conversations about that. Like that a top five top to your quarterback. He's not he's going to be a suitable guy at the position if you surrounded with a lot of good players and put them in a nice game. He can win games. But I've always thought about what what what are we asking this question in comparison to we've seen that do some tremendous things we've seen and make some game. When it Dr news his legs. And there was some things about this LA Rams game that they just quite frankly didn't use that. And it's best four. So that is a lull term answer at the quarterback position. But you have to go in knowing that you're going to have to surround him with some things that are going to be prolific on times. I can sort of getting to the coaching which is going to be my next question anyway. And I want to put the tweet back up your old teammate Terrel Owens tweeting. Hey at real, Jerry. Jones about time for a coaching change. Don't think to playoff wins in ten years. Garrett isn't the answer and never will be way to compete guys. Hashtag, real talk, Marcus spears. What do you think TO's tweet? And what do you think Jason GARRETT'S future to your validity to tweet? And I think Jason Garin is time is run up in Dallas. When you think about ten years raining, look there there's been some success there in Dallas. But what are you trying to be? Are you trying to be a team that's middle of the pack and hope that you can make it to a Super Bowl a hope that you could make it through an NFC championship or you innovative enough offensively. What I saw in that game against the LA Rams in the Dallas Cowboys was offense that looked like a two thousand eighteen nineteen offense versus office that look like what we've seen in the NFL for a long time. And we've always known that if that was can't get Zeke gored, they are limited in everything they do all -fensive -ly. So when you compare Sean. Mcveigh to what you saw from. Jason Garrett has got Lenihan see office that's lacking. Now. Do you make a OC change and get to a point where you can move that off it's up because Garrett as does some good thing or do you make a head coaching change and infuse some new juice into that team? Interesting you in our lives. Both had basically the same perspective on that offense. Let me run the hurry up here Marcus and go through the rest of the divisional round. Do it quickly eagle saints. What was your biggest takeaway from that game yesterday? Biggest away from game was that the eagles last year? And I don't know if enough people are talking about this. I don't know coats route love it Jay in LA Garrett blood last year for the eagles would have given the eagles more than fourteen points in this football game. You look at what they were able to do coming out in in to start the game of what Nick foles they doing. Everybody's gonna talk about the Alcyone Jeffrey, MS, and they go talk about giving up the points that drew Brees. Look you up twenty points that drew Brees in this offense. You said I have an opportunity to win the game. You should be able to put border fourteen or on. Aboard. I give them the saints defense. A lot of credit. Eagles were missing a running game in this football. Chargers. Patriots like to take away from that Sony. Michelle, the Georgia Board all three hundred thousand they got ground and pound the charges of Tom Brady was very fishing. Threw one touchdown made great decisions. But you look at you look at New England, and this is their time. And we've talked about a couple of weeks ago Beto top rating, and oh Bella check before I bet on anybody else wants this time of the year starts and then go back to the early game Saturday colts chiefs, what you take away from that, Patrick Mahomes is that deal, brother. Everybody told me about all of the experience, and we got quarterbacks that's been in the playoffs in the one that they they've been winning. Look, we know this is Patrick my old second year this first playoff inland. Ask comfortable and as professional as anybody in the playoffs that he's continued to do the same things we've seen in all season doesn't help. Yes. Chelsea and he has seen any his defense play great with four didn't some sex Mahomes is that do and I think you'll see can't sit him. So all that sidearm throw around. The defense was just all believable markets sit there with me a minute. Because I want to ask you about one north thing sneaky big news folks collar Murray has to make his decision today column or have to decide if he wants to declare for the NFL draft by two day. But the Oakland A's who drafted him for baseball, consign Marie to a major league deal and offer guaranteed money to choose baseball over football. Without breaking baseball's rules, according to reporters at ESPN. Here's Adam Schefter. Oklahoma quarterback Tyler Murray has until midnight tonight to declare for the NFL draft. And that is the sense. And the expectation of exactly what he will do he likes playing baseball. But he loves playing football. The Oakland A's spent Sunday tried to convince him to come back to baseball to take their money. Maybe even destroying the offer. But the NFL draft is sitting there in April and Murray knows that he would be a first round draft pick potentially top ten traffic and football of something that he loves to do he broke all the high school records of all the Texas quarterbacks Andrew luck and drew Brees and Nick foles. And now Murray's ready to go to the NFL. We will await his announcement today. I'll be curious to see what Wrexham band think of column in the NFL. Chaffee. Thank you for doing my job. So Columbine like no question. He has been dynamic on the college level. Does the height concerning your decision on quarterbacks? How much does this height concern you the is going to be listed at five ten? I'm not one hundred percents. Sure. Right. By that. How we're well. That's what shift he said. He goes Rex she's going to measure it fights though. He's not he looks like he's five eight whatever it is. But to me one thing you can't take away is this guy is spectacular. And that's in look at today's game. Everything's out of shotgun. Anyway. So you're gonna make your offense. You'll put it around this young, man. We saw Baker Mayfield undersize guy had success. So to me, why would you bet against them? I hope he plays football because I'm a huge football fan. But the baseball fan and me would love to see this this type athlete, you know, playing baseball go to me the fact that shift he said that he loves playing football a little you cover the college game all year long Dwayne Haskins announce for the draft if it's him or Murray and you're making the decision. Which one do you take Kyla Murray is because every game he plays. He's he'll be the best player on the football field. He'd be the most dynamic electric on guard -able unmatched talent on the football field Dwayne Haskins. We don't know if it'd be a great pro yet. They're not let this kid is the combination of a more special Charlie war in the ability to throw it like Rex Grossman. I mean, this key is this this guy came on the scene this year in ripped up every buddy he played against if you took them. He would be the best player on your team on the field. Every game had the chance to be. Okay. Charlie ward played in the NBA in Rex goes had sort of. Telling me with that comparison where swaggie let me get Marcus spears back into this conversation you cover the college game all year long Cuyler Murray, you sold on him as an NFL star for professional games should be either Yankee Stadium or with against the Boston Red Sox. Everyone is talking about this quarterback thing. And I get it. The patch import for column or personally we can't speak today. But baseball is you should go play column, Oregon. It's difficult Lagat his hor to be five nine and play quarterback. I folk all the Murray of personal against Alabama. Yes of prolific athlete. He could blow the football. He can do a lot of things on the football field caliber is every bit a five nine. So if you've got to adapt and to him, you better make sure it's guys around like that too. And you employ him against college guys on the next level you playing against prolific athletes as well. And I don't know what he's more prolific than Amar Jackson was he's a better floor. But when we start talking about lettuce is that get zipped up quick in the. NFL all of that speed and jitterbug stuff at the NFL people will catch you. So I go, thank you. I can see from Dan's face. He wants to respond. We'll do it in the next hour. When I get here next week. Meanwhile, coming up, Stephen. Wait until you hear him. He's got a message for Cowboys fans. And he's going to be live on our show to deliver it here's a little taste of what it may sound like. When. Mike, golden. I haven't seen it. But I'm told it's fun Saturday the LA kings brought out snoop Dogg to do their ceremonial puck drop. And then he went in the booth for a little while. Let's see how that sand. And watch. I always go final. Snoop dogg. And let me see soon. Draft sticks. Man, let's get cracking into the middle of the rink. Let's go limit three wounded I liked. It was number three on foot up de I've okay crank idea. Don't get him DEA giddy. Dion it out to way who. Those even better than I hope. Ever. I love it. Absolutely love it. Let's take a break. We're coming back in other huge. Our is on the way. And there's a lot in it, including the past versus the future. This coming Sunday, Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. The question is who owns the prison? We've got the answer.

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"At farmers insurance. We know the sound of perfect hot air balloon landing and a less than perfect one. Governor click for more. We are. Them. Underwritten by farmer's truck. Fire insurance exchange center. Affiliates products available in every state. Ross Tucker, all gassed. It is. But it's not just any Ross Tucker football podcast. It is a Finnish strong Friday and I just realized, as I'm saying this, that I totally forgot about the spread the word winner and this confirmation Email winner, which means next week we will have to winters my fault. I know a lot of you re tweeted me and bride this week at Ross Tucker NFL at RTF podcast, a bunch of you liked the shows, as well on Facebook, Facebook dot com slash Ross Tucker, NFL, and love all of you that send in your sponsor confirmations. That is my bad. I'm sorry, I'll have winners on Monday and winners on Thursday or Friday next week. But guess what? We're all really winners anytime you get a chance to hear from my guy. Dan? Orlovsky. We got into a debate on Twitter regarding Joe flacco as a mentor, and I thought, you know, what Twitter is not a great forum. Let's get them on the show. It's big Showtime. Anytime I can get my buddy Danner Lobski here on the Ross Tucker football podcast, I'm going to do it. He is a dominating color commentator for ESPN, as well as studio analyst seems like he's on get up pretty much every morning, does a terrific job, obviously twelve years in the NFL as a quarterback, and you and I were going back and forth on Twitter, Dan about Joe flacco and the idea of being a mentor for drew lock and just that concept and I wanna get into a good discussion with you about that. But even bigger news since the last show here was what happened in New York with the jets and might McCain. And so, before we get into the mentor stuff. I just wanna get your opinion because I know you tweeted about this how concerned. Jets fans should be about Sam darnold development, given all the change that has already gone on around him. Here's concerns and has nothing to do with Sam darnold. The player couple of things like one, you're not going to find a quarterback that's been really good in the NFL over the last ten years that has had this much turnover this early in their career, Sam darnold. It's been a member of the NFL for thirteen months, he said to her coaches to offensive coordinators, and now to general managers and now two different cultures. That is to fall under and the way they've gone about this, the timing of this for the jets, not debating, whether McCallion needed to be fired or whatnot, whatever the timing of it because you had shrunk the pool of guys that you can now go higher, and this is why one, you need to find a guy that's really good at being general manager player evaluation. All that stuff. He also needs to be willing and wanting to work with Adam gays, then he needs to love Sam darnold, as quarterback then you need. Still love leave on bell and his contract. He needs to love CJ Moseley in his contract and needs to have wanted take take him couldn't Williams with the third pick you can't just have four out of those six or like you gotta get a guy. That's okay with all those things. And so you've shrunk, the pool of ops and strictly off of those things because of the timing. So, man, this is how young quarterbacks get ruined because organizations have no clue. What they're doing? And this is a perfect example. What about the counter argument, Dan of hey, gays seemingly has a pretty good track record with quarterbacks. And they were making the change away from bowls anyway. And gays is still going to be the guy working with darnold and working with the quarterbacks with the jets. Two things one you know there's a narrative that listen, I played for Adam gates and they're certainly the narrative that he has a good track record with quarterbacks. He also hasn't had a top top half offense in the NFL outside of Peyton Manning. He's never had an offense. That's been sixteen unless you had Peyton Manning as quarterback. So that kinda disputes a little bit of like this quarterback whispering aspect to him. And then yes, he's still going to be there in, in help Sam darnold develop, but the impact that is as equally important, or even greater is the people that are around same don't at the players that are around Sam darnold. So now you don't know what you're getting in a general manager, that is going to be the person selecting those players to help them Donald's development. And so that's the thing. And that's why the pool of guys is so small because there might be a guide as a general manager. You're like men. He would be really good. He's a great talent. Evaluator. He's a great player. He loves Sam darnold. He's not gonna take that job lady on Bell's contract. There's going to be guys out there that are like that. And so they're certainly counter argument. But until their structure there, there's a lot of concerns now. I know you have some concerns as well about Joe flacco and his response. When asked about mentoring drew lock and I don't know if we should start with flak goes response. Or we should start with the concept of mentoring a younger player. I guess, I'll, I'll start with my thoughts on it, Dan. And you can respond to it because I know we got a Twitter thing going. So I think the idea that any player should be compelled to help someone younger and cheaper than them take their job. I think that that's ridiculous. Now that if somebody wants to do that. They want to go out of their way to help someone younger more power to them. I guess, but I don't think anyone especially a guy like Joe flacco who's thirty four years old. And hoping to play for four or five more years. I don't think that they should be compelled to do that. Now, do I think Joe flacco is going to be hiding his notes from drew lock know if drew lock Azima question, I'm sure he'll answer it. I guess I come at it Dan from where I was. I look at it like it's drew locks job to follow around. Joe flacco to observe everything. Drew Joe flacco does and to learn by as most this as much as possible. From Joe flacco. Where do you disagree? Completely agree on part of it in a significant part of it does fall on drew luck in his I gotta go beat the annoying guy in the back pocket. But let me kind of kind of dissect the Joe flacco stuff a little bit. So first of all, as a quarterback, it's different than any other position. Your job is to do any and all to help your football team win. And so I ask Joe flacco and I promise you this is the answer. Joe are you going to help mentor or develop or talk to a court or day, Sean, Hamilton who are to your young receivers? Yeah. I'm gonna why? Because it's gonna help me play better. Are you going to help Noah fit your first round tight end? Yeah. 'cause it's gonna help me play better than it's gonna help us when football games. So it should it be just exclusive to guys that are not of your position, second of all, do lots going to take that job or give be given every opportunity to be the starting quarterback of the Denver Br. Ronco at some point it is not going to be a Joe flacco job for the long haul unless you becomes somebody. We've never seen him become outside of the playoff run. The third thing is this Joe flacco is less six seasons. He's got one year over twenty touchdown. He has one year over four thousand yards. That is the exact definition of an aging veteran mentor quarterback. He is not one of these quarterbacks that's going to be expected to go light it up the last six seasons, which speak, otherwise. And then it Joe does want to go move forward in and continue to make a great living in the NFL. And play for another four or five years D best situation, to do that is becoming a match Shaab is becoming a Matt Hasselback where these guys were able to play yet also developed the reputation of a great mentor and not allowed them to make another ten fifteen. Twenty plus million dollars because of that. So I think it's silly for us to sit here and go like you know what Joe, don't be a mentor to the Beck of quarterback because he's drafted to take your job. But make sure that you'll help the receivers because the reality is if Joe flacco, MRs two games to get an ankle sprain, and he does not mentor drew luck. And then drew lock has to play in say he's not necessarily totally ready and he doesn't play well enough and they lose a game. And then at the end of the year they missed the playoffs by game Joe flacco is going to look back and be like, dang, I wish I had done a little bit more maybe mentor them a little bit more. 'cause then I would have gotten the ultimate goal. And that's getting us to the play offs. So a couple of things there. So number one, I don't I don't really think flacco statistics over the last five years to me. That's not relevant. He's, he's thirty four years old. He's a Super Bowl championship quarterback. And I think in his mind he doesn't think Baltimore did all that much around him. And he thinks he probably he wants to be the quarterback for the Denver Broncos for the next four or five years with guys playing in their late thirties. So I think that's nice set Ross I founded percent appreciate his mindset, but you also as a quarterback in Joe noses, you have a duty other than I gotta just do my job. So let me ask you this part of it. What, what do you mean? When you mean mentor, drew lock, like what, what do you want? Joe flacco to do other than let drew lock tag along, as well as answer any questions drew lock has, like, what else are you looking for? Because when I hear that I hear, like, hey, do you wanna have like a three PM drew lock study session to make sure Drew's up to speed and everything like to me? That's not Joe. Flacco responsibility. That's the quarterback coaches response by so what more are you looking for from Joe? Flacco. Yeah. I mean, we're obviously dissecting comment from him in, in whatever I there's an open book aspect of it, too, though. Like I had guys. I mean, no, I know John kitten is not Joe flacco. But I had John kitten willing he would just go to me, like, whatever you need just let me know we're here. Whatever, like there's any way I can help you let me know Matt shop was like that. Whatever you need. Let me know Peyton Manning in small way, was like that. Pay emitting went out of his way they'll Peyton wasn't playing it this time because of the injury. But Payton went out of his way multiple times. I started five games multiple times over those five games to share stuff with me to mentor me, so no, I'm not going. Joe flacco needs to have his sole focus on helping drew lock, but there also needs to be an openness, because again, if we're going to say, like, hey, we're gonna have three PM drew lock study meeting. Would you have the three PM? No offense study meeting. Would that be okay with that be something that would be expected of Joe flacco to be like, you got the super young tight end? He's gonna help your offense. You know, he's, he's struggling to learn some stuff, can you spend some extra time with them? Sure. So that's okay, because no offense, the starting tight end he's gonna help Joe play better and that's going to help the team, but we're not gonna do it for the backup quarterback the young quarterback that was drafted because he's coming to take my job. I just that's, that's the way I go. I don't see it that way. Because at the end of the day, if we're going to say I'm here to win football games, then there is no rank there is no rank everybody matters. So I guess the difference I would say there is that no offense playing drew lock isn't playing you know offense on the field playing in games drew lock is I, I would look at, like I always thought when I was the backup swing guy or whatever I always thought it was my job to help. Starters, whether it was the D lineman in practice, or the linebackers or even the guys that were starting in the game on the offense of line. I felt like it was my job to help them in any way I could during the week. Not, not, really the other way around. Let me ask you this. What did you think? 'cause I just saw that somebody sent this to me. I thought it was interesting when the giants drafted Daniel Jones, Pat Shurmur called, Eli manning and said your job is not to mentor, Daniel Jones, your job is to play your butt off win games, and keep Daniel Jones on the bench. That's an NFL head coach saying that. And I guess I would love to get your reaction to that. Well, you are just my honest reaction is because I that Shurmur noses best chance to stay coach. The giants with Eli manning and not Jones. That's just my honest reaction. Oh, that's certainly the devil's advocate angle or whatnot is going to said coaches telling lie. That's not his job. I just I grew up differently in the league that way grope with people that were willing to help me, I grew up believing that everybody mattered. I believe that for every thirty alive. Catcher Mer coming situation. There's vice versa, Doug Peterson and Carson Wentz in some ways hoping Nick foles and they're Super Bowl run and that's been well documented Carson being in those meetings. Again, the aches necessarily didn't matter. The rank didn't matter. It's you can help you willing to help because new it was going to help the team, you know, do think, and I said this deal today on television. You know the greater points here really for me. And it brings up an issue that I've kinda stated a couple of years now is the NFL's in many ways stupid rule of getting rid of the third quarterback situation in for for teeth in penalizing, because when I came into UNIFIL we were able to keep three quarterbacks and whatever that kinda configuration was was dependent on who the starter was so wouldn't it be great in Baltimore? I mean in Denver you had Joe flacco was the starter you draft drew lock. And then you're also able to bring in that veteran that is your third string quarterback. He's probably not gonna play with he gets solely there to be that mentor die on be kind of brings up the point because I did the aspect of Banjul cycles. Gotta study when games and a kid all that. And he's got a lot in his plate. But no one helps a young quarterback learn better than the guy who's been out there and so coaches could teach you all day once and that's sounds. Great, but no one teaches like experience. And that's what flacco has for drew lock. Yeah. I think you make a good point. I do think that there are times when quarterbacks are signed like Josh mccown where they know that part of their job is to be a bridge quarterback a caretaker quarterback a mentor to a young quarterback. They know that. And that's part of what they're signing up for. I don't really think that's what Joe flacco feels like. He was signing up for, and maybe some of it is semantics or the questions he was asked, but, like the second follow up question he was asked, and was are you here to mentor, drew lock like that question? I think and flacco answered it for people that don't know, you gotta be careful how you answer that. I think that's like I say, kind of riches job the quarterback coach. It's to be a net quarterback room in watch, and that's how you can develop listen. I got so many things to worry. I'm trying to go out there and play good football. I'm trying to go out there and play the best football on my life as far as the time constraint and all that stuff. Like. That answer raw should be I'm here to mentor, everybody. You know, I'm thirty four. I'm a Super Bowl champion and my job is to win games. No doubt about it. But I'm also here to help everybody on our football team. No matter what their position because me being a veteran and a guy that's been around this NFL for a long time. I'm here to mentor, anybody. See. And I think what when I read that, that, that question, are you here to mentor, drew lock? I think he handled it better than I probably would've I mean, if I would have been like no I'm not here to mentor, drew lock. Okay. They traded for me in early March and they're paying me nineteen million dollars to win football games for the Denver Broncos. Now I'll be happy to answer any questions. Drew has, and I'm not going to be a jerk or anything like that. But that's not why I'm here. I'm here to win games and to kick butt and a restart my career in a new spot. I actually thought it handled a lot better than I would have. Yeah. I mean I like I said, we're, we're kind of picking apart something that we're taking somebody's words in hardy it and whatnot. It's, it's this either you disagree with what Joe said, which is, you know, kind of how I feel or you don't understand how Joe going into twelfth year in my opinion into into the question better, just can't totally squash. It and go I'm here to me. That's the last time you got get guys I'm here to help everybody. I'm here to help everybody knew organization. I gotta do my job. But I'm here to mentor any and all that, you know, so that's, that's just how I would've loved to have because if I'm drew lock and if I'm a young quarterback and I hear Joe flacco talk like that. I'm not fired up to go be part of that quarterback room. I'm not going like here we go. This guy's exciting like this, this, this should be fun year. Like there is a little bit of like you want. You want to feel when your quarterback room wants to be in a way like you really safe area does it, it doesn't make anyone saw would you want it to be an area of, like, you know, encouragement in developing in growth, and certainly Jones or whatnot? But no, you if I'm drew lock them going like this guy doesn't like me like this guys fired up that I'm around. So like what did you are honored? I just think what you can sit the tempo and the temperature of quarterback room in really your team by the way you answer that question, whose name is Dan Orlovsky. He is awesome. Check him out on Twitter at Dan, Orlovsky seven. I love every conversation. We have even when Dan's wrong, it's still nice to get the owner perspective to strengthen my argument. Thank you, Dan. You're the best brother. Thank do. I don't know why I love messing with the guests, especially guys that like friends with busting their chops. It's just fun. You know what else is fun? Let's be honest betting on sports. It is, and you can do it at bed online dot AG, and you can use the promo code podcast one and you can get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus seems like a pretty good deal to me. But online dot AG promo code podcast. One fifty percent. Welcome bonus Preakness is tomorrow. I've been in the Preakness couple times, by the way, that is a good time. That now I was in the infield. And it was college, and after my rookie year in the NFL, but good gracious that is that is an event anyway. You can bet on that event at bed. Online dot AG using the promo code podcast. One. Jeez. I Ross biggest news of the day, the firing of general manager Mike mcalinden with the New York Jets, you got a lot to dive into here. Right. So that came Bri Wednesday after Wednesday afternoon after we had posted the show with Anju brand. And I think like Wednesday around noon, it's, it's really an I tweeted a bunch about this, and people can check out my tweet at Ross Tucker NFL. But it's really crazy on so many different levels. I mean, number one, I think most of the moves the jets make you can look at them individually and justify them. Right. It's like my McCain, his drafts were not very good as a GM be fired. Maybe you overpaid for running back and linebacker. You could be fired for that Adam gays. I wasn't love with that higher. But you know, I guess you got the dolphins in the in the playoffs. His first year knows the division, you could probably justify that same with the lady on bell, and Moseley and whatever you put it all together and the common denominator is it does not feel like ownership really knows what they're doing. And by the way, should that be that much of a surprise. I don't know what Christopher Johnson was doing when Woody Johnson was the owner running the jets, but he wasn't running the jets. And so you throw these guys in there. One of his first moves in December of seventeen is to give Todd Bowles and might mcalinden three or contract extensions or whatever through the twenty twenty season. So more power to them. Both those guys get paid for the next two years. Even to not have to buy the jets millions of dollars. But you give those guys an extension December seventeen and then you fire bowls after the next season, and then you let the GM hire the head coach and gays. Pick what they do in free agency. Pick what they do in the draft. And then fire him. It's just not logical. There's no coherent strategic plan there. It's interesting because Christopher Johnston said he wants a strategic thinker will pretty clearly Christopher Johnson's, not as strategic thinker. Right. I mean that's pretty obvious. And then the whole thing with Adam gays. I mean, this clearly was a power struggle and Adam gates one, and I know Christopher Johnson denied that, but he then said he liked every move that might McCain and made this off season. How do you fire the guy then if you like every move that he made why are you firing him? And there's no power struggle. Okay. Then who's a new GM. Oh, Adam gates. Interim GM. I mean come on think about this by way for Adam gays on Wednesday. The news came. Mccain was fired like eleven thirty AM. He got Adam gays essentially staged a coup here and got McCain and fired. I don't care if anybody says then. The reports come out and probably from mcalinden. But the reports come out that Adam gates did not want to sign CJ Moseley or Levy on Bill. You wanna talk about putting a guy in a bad situation at Adam gates, I guess put himself in the situation but now. The highest paid offense and defensive players on the team who you need to have total buying for what you're doing. They now. No. Or at least thank you didn't want them or at a minimum. You don't think they're worth the money? Yikes. You wanna talk about a disaster. I mean then he becomes the only coach with a GM title. We know that Bella checks GM as well, but didn't have the title just has the authority, essentially brought the whole jet circus back to town. And then he traded Darren Lee a twenty four year old guy who started twelve games at linebacker form last year for a six round pick for peanuts. I mean that's a heck of a day, it is. And I put this on Twitter, as well at Ross Tucker, NFL, yet, appreciate the irony that McKesson wanted to hire met rule as head coach but only if rule hired certain assistant coaches like he was he was dictating who rule should hire and ruled in like that. And rightfully so. So then gay says, all right. Yeah. That's fine. Oh, I'll have an arranged marriage with Greg Williams. That's fine. And then he turns around and gets McCain and fired takes over himself. It's like game of thrones. I mean McCain should've just let McCain should've just let. Rule. I or this isn't he wanted. Mccain would still be there to credible. Jeez. The other big news valves Arizona Cardinals cornerback Patrick Peterson suspended six games of the NFL's PD policy. Yes. So it makes me sick Bri. It really does it makes me sick. I've written about it. Cates, usually it's four games. The reason why it's six games is because it's four games for the PD's and two games because they also found a math major, which is why if Peterson gets any credit it'll be because he didn't deny he said definitely definitely sorry for what happened for the most part, I think you guys understand my character, and also understand my commitment on and off the field to my teammates organization. That's why this is obviously very, very hard for me because I've never been in this situation before and never wanted to have my name attached to anything like this. But I'm looking to move forward. Put this behind me. Yeah. I understand your character. Now, I understand your commitment to your teammates organization. Now, if it's so hard on you then why did you do it? I'll tell you. I have a huge problem with this Bri for two reasons. Number one is he's taking. He's look, you can't argue the tainted supplement thing or have any excuse when it's two separate banned substances, one of which is performance enhancing in one of which is masking. There's no there's no. Oh, I didn't know. No, he knew. So he knowingly and willingly took a substance that helps make him bigger faster, stronger which helps him to inflict. Harsher punishment on other human beings. I got a real problem with that. And then, you know, then I mean, any guy that ever test positive for PD's I immediately put national risk on their entire career because how do I know he wasn't doing it earlier? I immediately think, less of him, you know, he took Pro Bowl bursts, that maybe he didn't deserve got money. Maybe he didn't deserve. And maybe this is personal because I had to go against them. Guys compete against guys. Oh, line for spots and d- line that, that took stuff. And it makes me sick. And frankly, it's the NFL PA the union that should be working to have stricter punishments, because they should want guys to have their behavior deterred. It's enough good enough be determined that they don't do it. So that. Guys, don't take it because you should want a level playing field as a player that does not include having to take PD's. Jeez to some transactions and back to Adam gates for a moment. He got his feet wet as general manager by trading. Linebacker Darrin lead to the chiefs for a six round pick the patriots resigned. Former linebacker Jamie Collins, the ravens doing the same with Cornell McPhee Seattle Seahawks signing backup quarterback Gino Smith. So the gays thing we talked about. I mean that's like pennies on the dollar and kudos to the chiefs for being like oh you know what gates is the interim GM? Let's call maybe we can get a deal and they did other people should be calling about other players. Jamie Collins is typical end personnel McPhee. I don't know what those guys would be able to do, but it's patriots typical. They sold Colin tie, and they're buying them low, and I like I like Gina Smith kind of as a backup in Seattle. You gotta have somebody and Russell Wilson's never gotten hurt. But it doesn't mean it'll never happen. Two other items of note include the falcons assistant general manager, Scott peo- Elise resigned pursue other opportunities and Browns running back, LJ, Scott walking away from football a couple of days after the Browns signed him. Right. And that's really a crazy story. Bright. He was so good as like a true freshman, Michigan state and then head some injuries left school early. You know, had to try out player Brown sign him. So he's got a shot, and then he walks away, but some guys do this happens are in training camp. It's almost like one guy at team. They'll just say man, this is just not for me anymore. My heart's not in it. I'm not gonna make it. And I just I can't do it. And I guess he realized that early as for Scott Buli he's done so many tremendous things off the field. I, I don't know if if that's what he wants to pursue or. If you wants to make sure he can put himself in position to get a GM job next year. I I don't really know off to see. I know it's a big loss for the falcons. And I know anyone of you that hasn't least checked out my front page story dot com for a Father's Day gift, which is less than a month away. And it takes some time to interview you and write the story. So if you want it, you should hint to your wife or kids, that you'd love a my front page story for you for Father's Day, or maybe you want to get one for your dad. He deserves it. 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RTFP #985: Dan Orlovsky

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Well, I told you yesterday we're going to have a special guest special big show here on a tuck heads Tuesday. And I wasn't kidding. It's Dan Orlovsky who has quickly become one of the best analysts in the business. Twelve year veteran NFL quarterback. He's been on the show before you can check him out on Twitter at Dan Orlovsky seven. I knew he'd be a stud. I was telling everybody for years, and he is exactly that. And then I wanted to dive into these games one last time with you take a sneak previews well of the Super Bowl just kinda get your regional thoughts. And I guess my first question about the Rams I'm gonna I'm gonna get asked. You hear a little bit about the Rams and Sean McVeigh because I know you're a big fan if he's so bright, okay? And such a great coach was up with him trying to have golf audible in the first half in the super dome. What was the deal with that? Well, you know, first of all of the b humanity. Here's the thing. You're trying to communicate we'll play or trying to get to and that's a big part of their offense. You still want to no matter what the environment is controls the game. Whether you're on offense on defense in that, the great strength or one of the great strengths of that off. Control the game. That's why they don't get into a good Jillian formations, but simplifies some formations and do a bunch of stuff off of how you present. And so you want to be able to go do that. And no matter how loud it is there. Everyone knows there's mechanisms to do that. I was the noise I guess probably louder than they had anticipated especially early on. Sure, I was one of those people that actually felt that they handled it remarkably well because I saw a bunch of people on social media kind of be like man, the Rams are so surprised, but it's not just a one step process with handling the noise. And so I get like man McVay. How what how did you not have the better plan? But at the same time with the option is, hey, we're not going to be who we are. We're just going to call a play and hopefully works or no, no, no, this is going to be really hard, and it'll be difficult, but we also have tools in place. Make sure that we can handle it. And for the most part they did. Yeah. I think you're right. I'm just kind of busting your chops. I mean, they came from behind thirteen nothing and twenty ten in the Superdome to win. So they deserve all the kudos that go along with it. You know, obviously, I think people forget you were there in training camp was that last year or golf's rookie year. That was last year so twenty seventeen going into his second year. Yes. You were there. There's a perception than that, Jared golf, I think Sunday might have gone a long way towards getting that erasing this perception. But there's a perception that Jared Goff is basically a puppet and that McVeigh is telling them not only the play, but they get to the line early. So McVeigh can give them pointers and say look at this coverage be makes you're watching this guy and talks to them all the way up until the fifteen seconds. Do you think that that's unfair? And what are your thoughts on McVeigh's usage of the headset communication? Yeah. So I it's obvious that McVeigh talks the year before that fifteen second cut off. It's obvious that they get to the line of scrimmage and try to figure out what the defence is doing. And he'd probably gets. I'm into a certain play. I'm not saying this isn't all the time thing, but a certain playing here and there and gives them tidbits. I I find no problem with that. Because here's it's twofold one, Sean McVeigh is realizing I really wanna win games now. And I can help our team win Jerry go visit incredibly young kid that is still very much so learning so if you're getting into one scrimmage and you're telling your, hey, let's run this play. Don't forget if you see the safety lean that way, let's work that way let let's we're opposite like that. That's okay. And that's coaching. You're young player through wins. Like the challenge for coaches with young quarterbacks is you've got to teach them. And then they have the burden of trying to go win was Sean McVeigh kind of utilizing what given to him to wise is going I can coach this kid and through winning. I can coach you while winning. And that'll be something. Listen to Jerry Goff was sixth or seventh year in the. NFL and fifth or sixth year in in that system. Then this troubles. We would not be the case. But Sean McVay she's utilizing it, and listen he answered there was no more. No more question to player going into championship weekend than Jared Goff, everyone pointed to miniature go if he's weakest quarterback. And I was one of the people. Honestly, I was like I'm telling you this ready for this moment quarterback in this kid is ready for this moment and jeered Gus answered the bell tenfold. You're exactly right. And I was one of those people, Dan. I really was I thought he was right. Yeah. No. I mean, rightfully so. No. But you know, what I what I think part of it is too. I almost think Jared Goff has ally ally manning syndrome in the sense that his his facial expressions. Do not give off the belief that he is an alpha male ask kicker, you know, like you look at him. And it's probably the same people had about ally before Eli actually won a Super Bowl. He just doesn't look like he just doesn't look like he's got the dog in them when you look at his face. You know, what I didn't think of Eli? But it's a phenomenal comparison to just those those body languages in those mannerisms in a way, it's it's almost spot on I will say this. And this is something that I've felt like this way this way about allied for a while. And I believe it's one of the catalysts through a big thing. Why he won those super and those moments is he lied seems to me disability where he cares enough. Not to care where he cares so much about what's going on. And he's so locked into being in that moment that he's able to care enough about it said he does to get overwhelmed by it that he doesn't get consumed by it or that it becomes paralyzing to him in almost like had. I mean when you look at. Down thirteen. Oh, your second. Test of the game gets picked on a bad break. We're quarterbacks when that happens a quarterback. Do you kidding me? Like it's going to be one of those days. Your best player on offense is having a really bad day. And you're playing against the hall of fame quarterback in a really good coach just in there. And absolutely everything stacked against you. And you watch Goff and go. Cheer cheer doesn't look to be over. Well, he doesn't look to be consumed by it is very much. So watching you don't know if you're like do you want to be good or do do does not matter to? That's the feeling you get by watching them almost. I think that's a really good point. It looks like Dan before I move on the other game. It looks like he is a terrific natural throw or over the football. But that's more your category than my just it. Just looks like it's easy for him. Is that a fair way to describe it? Literally took words out of my mouth that is my number one physical trait that I look forward a guy is is it look natural coming like, are you this? When you watch Patrick Mahomes, and drew Brees and breezy. Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford and so many good to really good degree quarterbacks. You could just watch you were born to through a ball if you were born to thrilling so jury that very natural elastic pliable throwing motion that really helps him just when you had that ability. It allows you to make throws under different body positions and also work on other parts of your game. And I know that Jerry deserves a ton of credit for kind of what happened in. How that game went? But a great thing for me Ross's when I watched that game. What stands out to me? Is you watch the football team. Understand. We're one game away from the Super Bowl. We've got to be able to change and just watching the defense the Rams defense and two things that they did were we're going to double Michael Thomas of lunch, and they doubled Michael Thomas bunch. And then they started to not Kamara office routes. It was literally way to sending a message to Sean Payton in your best players are not going to beat us. If somebody else beats me a tip my hat to you. And we'll go home. But those guys aren't going to beat us Endesa huge reason why they'll be playing simple. And that actually brings me today FC championship game where the patriots essentially doubled. Tyreek hill most the whole game. You had one catch three targets. Travis. Kelsey did not have a big game either. Now the chiefs still scored thirty one points in the second half. Don't get me wrong. But it was not. The chiefs to best players that beat them. Meanwhile, you know, every time Brady and the patriots got to third and ten Eshelman is open the middle of the field for a first down or grunk is man to man on somebody. You got to explain to me, Dan. It's obviously not that hard to either double A guy or take a guy away because the patriots dude all the time. Why what why does it not do that with Eshelman especially on those third downs? What what is what is the logic there? Yeah. I mean, I actually got into this little bit in conversation with me and what he this morning. There's there's really like three kinds of coaches in the NFL in really football. But you know, speaking to the NFL, there's really three kinds there's coaches that have this ability to constantly see who they're playing that week. And then go, okay. This is what we're going to major in this week. They're really bad against the run. We're going to run the ball. And oh, you know, what this team? They don't play good in temple we'll play temple against them. So you have one set of coaches that can do that. And then you have another set of coaches that this is who we are. We're going to do it work on a do in. We're going to do better than you. And there's both budget different ways to skin a cat right as you can win and both different viewpoints. And then there's the really good coaches that can do both that cannot change who they are fundamentally foundation. Only but change what's necessary to win the game that game that they're in. And in the championship was the perfect example of it the chiefs defensively, we're going to be who they were going to be guys. We're gonna play men the man and straight up, man. And we believe that we're just gonna do it better and the patriots where the team that said. You know, what this is who are opponent is? This is what they do best. We're gonna take out away and make them beat us with one hand type behind their back. They're gonna they're gonna have to beat us in a with a row so secondary guy, and that was really the defining difference of that game. There's place no doubt in moments and all that but one team has coaching ability, and then the player ability to go and kind of more food. They were which is what we know the patriots constantly do in one team chiefs going we're just gonna be who we are because it's gone to this point. And it really at the end of the day is for bid them in the and that's why they're not what one of the reasons in a major reason why they won't be going in the Super Bowl. Wanna get your thoughts on Patrick Mahomes? This is something I actually tweeted earlier today. You know? I'm just thinking about the last drive, right? You think about young quarterbacks? You know, we've had young quarterbacks that make silly mistakes or run out of bound for a two yard loss stuff. Like that. That drives me as an offensive lineman. Ten he had a, you know, he missed a throat a Damian Williams on a wheel route and he got sacked out of field goal range. But just that last drive, you know, first of all he's got the presence of mind to they do the hard count. They draw offsides. He knows immediately. I'm taking a shot mealy. He knew that. I'm throwing the ball downfield to somebody. And then all is alignment after the catch. They're running down. They want to spike the ball. He's like guys chill. There's a penalty. We don't need to run. You don't need to spike it like there's a flag that clock is stopped. And then even when the patriots really flooded the end zone. With sixteen seconds left. He was like, you know, what I'm not taking any chances throwing the ball underneath. I'm not trying to force it in the end zone. I'll throw it away our kickers gonna make it from here. I just think it gets lost in in his physical ability. But those little things the presence of mind and all those things as well. As just how he conducts himself like he really is the real deal in every way. They the NFL dozen years. And there's no there's no question about it and the NFL chief's fan should be super excited because he what I so he made that one start in two thousand seventeen on the road against Denver. And it's funny that you bring up the offsides in that lasts drive because in that start within his first series. It's his first start on the road against Denver. It's this first third and long. It's the first series. He hard counts, and he gets Denver to jump off sides. It's not defected. He throws the ball. Downfield is good. But this is what I take away from that moment the Denver game. And it happened again in that lasts drive that when he hard counts any sees the ball snapped go back and look at his head the first thing he does is he turns to the side judge and just to confirm got the plaque. He. Doesn't guess 'cause we we see it. Right. They missed flex he confirms. Okay. I see the flags grown. And that's when he goes into tack like the split second awareness of him going. I got my bag now I can go be aggressive and not just be reckless with the football. Oh, I thought of us all sides to me, that's those special little almost uncoached uable things in a way where you go. This guy is not a rookie. This guy's not in a second year seventeenth eighteenth cert-. This kid is special, and it's speaks to that non physical stuff that he does have. And that's one of the things that I've in so many raved about a mole year is it makes incredible throws and all that. And I I keep calling. He's playing quarterback. He's he's not just as physical freak. He's changing protections in moving coverage in looking kickoff and an understanding situational. Football. And for that reason. And then you take the the once in a generation athlete an arm that he has and you go no now you look at the chiefs ago, you guys were brilliant brilliant to trade up for him. Last question, Dan. And I just want your your initial thoughts on the Super Bowl. So it's patriots. It's rams. What do you think are the two or three keys or what's the most interesting aspect of this game to you? Oh, certainly the patriot offensive line versus the Rams defensive line that the patriots offensive line as become the most dominant unit in football. I mean, they've ran the ball more in the postseason, and they have under Bella checks for the yards in the most touchdowns. So that matchup will be really important against the ram defense that we knew Donahue is really good. And we knew rockers is a good piece at Fowler's come on. But the fact that consumers has become what everyone thought he was really his best to game stretch in the last four or five years that matchup will be fascinating. Because they'll check and okay. We're gonna take away your best player. They're probably going to do everything they can to take Aaron Donald out of the game. And so does soon dummy affect the way he has the first two games. I also really take a a loss conversation or something that probably won't get talked about enough is this. The patriots have become. Smash mouth football team in doing. So they've utilized the fullback Devlin more than any team in football. The Rams really played with one inside linebacker, and then they play with Mark baron who is an ex safety that. Yes does play linebacker. But we all know, he's not a linebacker. He's a two hundred fifteen to two hundred and twenty pounds kind of athlete, and I got to imagine that Josh mcdaniels embellish sector going to go. We're gonna make sure that we put Devlin on Mark, Barron. Space mask a lot in. We're gonna make Mark Barron. Fifties runs versus are really good fullback at ton. And I believe that's going to be a huge advantage for New England and just controlling the clock. When you flip it, you gotta understand like Bella chicks, go the only way this team beats me is if we're bad in the play action games, and we are bad in the play action defense. I got to imagine that. But when you look at how they're gonna play they're gonna play really slow on the second and third levels defensively. They're not their linebackers will not be flowing to the ball. He's gonna put a guy at the point of the bunch. He's gonna force that run to be back into the middle of the field, and those linebackers just gonna play slow and go Sean McVay this is Super Bowl. We're gonna force you to run the ball forty five times. Are you patient enough to run the ball forty bucks on those are a couple of things that I'm watching the game? I'm going that is going to have huge swing impact on the outcome. Is the man as you can tell Dan Orlovsky follow him on Twitter. Dan, Roloff ski seven that. You know, everything is doing for. Yes. PIN get up and radio and game broadcasts. He had a terrific really first season in the media. Didn't unbelievable job. I love any chance. I get to chat with him. Thanks so much for coming on the show as always, Dan, always a pleasure, brother, Briquet, your friendship, and thank you told you guys before and I'll tell you again about borough. It's awesome. Now, you guys know that casper has been a sponsor of the show for years. And that's because it's an awesome company. 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One of those is I write a column, by the way, my column today is about how important position coaches are. And in particular looks Dante scar Nekia the old line coach for the patriots ahead nine off into line coaches. So encourage you guys to check that out, by the way, I think you'll really like that. But so I understand people need to use anonymous sources at times some I get it. Right. And there was a report from justina Anderson about players not being happy about Wentz in him playing favorites. So this reporter in Philadelphia. Decided to dig deeper on it. That's fine. I do though have to question any teammate of Carson Wentz. Is that going to anonymously bash him to a reporter like really why? I mean, it's a number one. If you have a problem with him, you should probably say to him, maybe even the coaches, but I just don't see the value reason or logic. When you're trying to win a Super Bowl when you want this guy to play well to tell some reporter that I just don't get it to me. It's. It's cowardly. I mean, they're talking about Carson Wentz is accountability. And they're talking about him being selfish. What do you think you're doing when you talk anonymously poorly about a teammate? You're being selfish, and you're not being accountable. I mean, the irony it's rich. It's thick. And I'll say this like he needs a little humility humility is the last thing I would ever think that Carson Wentz needs. So I don't know how much stock to put in this. But I know it's going to be a major topic. Now, it's gotta be awkward for went to when he goes into the locker room. NFL also officially announced their five international games for the twenty nine thousand nine season. Once again, four in London in one in Mexico. Right. That kind of seems to be the deal now Bri the foreign London one in Mexico deal. And you know, I don't know. 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Hour 1; Too Late to Bench Wentz

The Stephen A. Smith Show

38:07 min | 5 months ago

Hour 1; Too Late to Bench Wentz

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I didn't major in math now. I know twenty five out of fifty. It'd be fifty percent two hundred fifteen yards two touchdowns and an interception and by the way that like weird hail mary at the end of the gate. Come on get outta here. Eagles lost twenty three seventeen twelve. That concludes week. Twelve to the cr. Seattle seahawks last night. A historically bad defense five street series start the game three and out three and out three and had tried running the ball peterson. Give the ball to running back. Smile centers pretty good. You don't have to like you know. We have worn sharp on this. Show all the time saying you know the most predictable things. You're running it on first down. Who says you have to run it on first down but have second or third out some down. Choose the down theaters. Give it to a running back. It's so tough too. Because the eagles defense is playing their guts out right and peterson's it was the kind of okay. Let me start from the top. Gotta go if you can get rid of that contract. What have i been saying for weeks. And weeks and weeks member like a month ago when i said trade him for nick foles. Well nick. foles wouldn't do any better we. Yeah no kidding genius. Of course nick. Foles wouldn't do any better with his eagles team. Although he did take over an eagles team that was dead in the water the year. After nick foles led them to the super bowl and won the super bowl. Mvp he did take over a team. The carson wentz had been quarterbacking to the tune of a like a five six record and nick foles took over and they almost one out of one out and they went to the playoffs and they beat the bears at soldier field to beat the saints at new orleans. Also who knows. But let's assume foles wouldn't do any better with this team and maybe even worse if that's possible. So what nick. Foles modest contract. They gave him like an upper middle class quarterback contract carson. Wentz is getting paid like. He's a top five quarterback. They should have done that deal as they could've when the time was right and by the way i think the bears would have didn't because of frank right and the fact that they need a mobile quarterback trubisky's new mobile but he can't throw it down the field but can also down the field. I'll bet you the bears would have bitten but now i don't think anyone bites now you might be stuck with winds for the time being meantime. Wentz's awful they gotta burn. This whole thing. down peterson. as i said doesn't give the ball to a running back but not only that whence is something like negative three yards at a certain point right member that early in the game and he gives the ball to hurts. Peterson gives the ball to. Here's pre snap penalty. Make like i forgot second fourteen something like that. I don't remember what it was and hurts throws a six yard completion. Oh my god a six yard completion. Like oh my. He's amazing. gave the ball. Right back to wince wentz took a sack right back to wentz. Peterson was coaching. Like a guy who wants out by the way one guy who wants out. You're on the seattle fifteen. It's four and four. It's an eleven point game and you go for. It is eight forty less than the game. You go for it. Well you're gonna have to score eight points at some point you're gonna shut up the stop it it's fourth and four you're also gonna have to score twice so how about scoring once right then with a field goal. How about that. try that one. That is a coach who wants out. And by the way the gm do you remember. When they didn't trade for the andre hopkins and the stated reason was a lot of teams wanted the andre hopkins but it was going to cost. They didn't want to give up that second round. Pick right. roseman is going to do something with that. Second round pick bundled with the first move up and grab ceedee lamb. I guess not because he could have used it to grab andre hopkins now not that either he said reader that's the guy rager because remember that he he runs off four to forty some superhuman forty time that you heard about that was like it turns out in the combine. It was closer to four five and four three right and we could get. You can't get separation. He came away. Like what are they. What are they talking about. Forget about like oh you gotta decay make everyone could have had decay metcalfe and by the way the weird thing about met cavs everyone knew he was really good and yeah. Everyone's still passed them. Every family like oh. I hope i think it's decay metcalfe and everyone passed on them it was crazy not even talking about not grabbing metcalf. I'm talking about you need to get carson wentz weapons. Because he can't elevate the team by himself even though he's getting paid to. You also need help on the defense. But you can't afford any of that stuff. 'cause you gave the quarterback hundred dollars so boy you better get the draft right. But the second round pick that roseman didn't use. He chose not to use it to grab hopkins in a trade or to bundle it and move up and grabs ceedee lamb. Not only did take rieger used. That's can row bouquet could separation. It's not nearly as fast as advertised. But then he kept by the way. Jefferson lot of guys were available right but then he can't where he takes that second pick and what does he turn it into. Jalen hurts he turned it into jalen. Hurts and jalen hurts showing so little at practices the worst quarterback in the league because carson wentz's numbers as the worst in the league. He's lost to every single opponent. He's faced in terms the quarterback match up every single opponent outplayed once every single time. Here look it up. Outplayed them now. If you say well all these things wrong around. What's okay fine. Let's say wets would be low average if everything was right. Low average getting paid one hundred million dollars and hurts so bad apparently practice. He can't take his job by the way when he got they put hurts in the game. He did a little. Something took him right out. Roseman gotta go. Peterson's gotta go and if they can get they gotta get rid of him to although to tell you the truth. I'm giants fan. So what. I what i really should be suggesting. Keep roseman peterson. Right where they are and by the way he's doing great seal everyone else's say great with salt as everyone else's fault that point fingers pointing to everyone else's full so wentz didn't have to work on anything really. That's why says at the post game presser couple of weeks ago. The you know all the always be walking that line when not to try to force things up. That's just the way we do things around here. Oh my god so listen to what wentz had to say after the game last night. I mean we're frustrated. You know we're frustrated. I know i'm frustrated. I hate losing You know it's It's very frustrating to have this resolved. You know these last couple of weeks. And we were at the season But the craziest thing about this league in this division especially as it's still wide open guys know that guys know that and you know we're looking ahead to next week missing turn around and getting going the right direction and hopefully y'all surprising that was straight talk straight talk wireless everything for less only at walmart. I mean i was giving you straight talk. Wentz was giving you happy. Talk but look. That's the right attitude. I don't mind whence being upbeat and trying to on the positive not just saying i need to be better. I get it. I'm just saying that my next guest. Dan orlovsky if i had to pin when his problems on one person in the world i would pin it on you dan orlovsky. Who's joining us on the shell. Pennzoil performance line. Then it's you. Everyone knows everyone knows. You're the young ascending football mind on national tv. You break down. Plays like no one else so whence turns on the tv all last. Y'all dan orlovsky says. I'm doing great. I must be. I'm in the mvp race. According to our lasky that kellerman guy is crazy and you. Dan orlovsky you contribute enabled him and look what we have now. The worst quarterback in the league. What do you have to say for yourself. The first thing that they've myself just trust me. My ego is no no problems that you telling me that i had that much power Is is only gonna make it worse. I don't need people telling me that that that that's the case. So i could have an issue with my ego man but then i then said. Didn't you ever watch spiderman. Dan ben said it with great power comes great responsibility. Don't you have to build your power more responsibly than just convincing carson wentz stink. This is what i love about you. carson wentz haters. 'cause you're you're the absolute leader of the pack. That last year never happened in. Your guys is like last ever happened. Wants to talk about the past. No no last year. Never happened to max kellerman like the the asset this this morning to for what happened last year in the decimation injury and the fact that they went on that running won the division. That's not normal. That should not happen. And you just worst time didn't happen. I don't the worst division of time. Dan no wasn't until this year. This year is even worse last. Come on like it didn't happen. You pretend like wild. It didn't wildly when you say the injuries. Yeah you you pretend like him. Taking practice squad players decimated teams to win. The division never happened at. Let's stop that stall that. Doing something historical. You pretend that that never happened and so this is your year. I said this morning right now that he's playing bad football and got hold the l. on carson wentz for the year and then you guys have short your it you. You held that l. on tv literally healthy l. That your daughter had made on television admitted you took the l. You're a mench. Dan orlovsky nevertheless mention a yiddish word. That means human being in the best sense of the word in case any was wondering but at any rate the i'm willing to accept the fact that injury Kind of started the ball rolling or exacerbated what may have been bad habits and went tried to compensate and therefore overcompensated for bad play around him or a lack of talent. Whatever it is that all that may be true. All i'm saying is what i noticed. In the second half of last year was a lot of regression from whence of course he's capable of miracle throws he has high end talent but he's not doing it consistently and dan. You have to admit this. Like i'm proud of myself. I saw this. Yes last year like i. Is it coincidental that he's now got these problems or was i noticing something or you saying. It's complete coincidence. Can i ask you a question. So here's what. I don't understand with your your viewpoints on the situation and i don't agree with last year. He has tremendous success in the last seven. Games like eighteen touchdowns four picks seventy percent completion percentage. In your thought is he was still regressing. The only reason why the success was had was because he was playing against bad defenses. Okay fine that's your opinion. i completely disagree with it. Then and that was with the the practice squad players decimated team then this year playing with a bunch of backups and a decimated team case struggling and even last night did struggle against the defense. That's historically poor that you would probably group into a historically poor division from last year so how come last year. He gets credit from you for what he did against bad defenses but then bid. You're playing against the best defense in last night's game. It's like whoa. We could even do it versus a bad defense. Because i'll tell you why from your mouth. Okay i will tell you why. Because i would like you to answer my question for me but i will tell you why i okay because the regression that i noticed in the second half of last season and it was pronounced against the nfc east teams against whom numbers got healthy. Because i saw all the other quarterbacks in that sad sack division play better against the teams that was beating by the skin of his teeth. Then once it played. And we're talking about a rookie and daniel jones and a bunch of backups. Right like so. So that's number one number two the regression and the reason i blame you. I'm not even kidding. I think you like he has so many enablers including apologists in the media to tell you he did not have to fix anything so i think it just it continued. He had a downward trajectory in terms of his field. Vision trusting what he sees his internal clock ball security playing hero like there were so many things going wrong that it continued on a downward trend until this year. Not the things that i was saying last year. Now no one can deny it now. Now you report you can point to injuries and this and that but but at least now it's undeniable. This is what i want to know from. You is coincidence. That i said what i said at the second half of last season and then this is happening or was i actually seeing something in your opinion. I trust your football opinion. I want to know. Was i noticing. Something or is this pure coincidence. I think that what you were saying. Last year i did not see. I can't agree with that But i will say that what you were saying and what you have said this year certainly shown itself yes that is accurate that he is hesitant with the football. He been for the great majority of this year. He's unconscious and what he's looking at. He's playing slow within the pocket. So the things that you have been saying for a couple of weeks. i think i've shown themselves a lot. I don't believe that it's been a consistent page. He had a stretch there where three weeks he was muzak. Playing good football I've just i. I think yes the thing that you were saying. I can sit here and say yes telemann. You were accurate with those russes. My question would be to you. 'cause i like doing i like going back at you stuff. Is you would sit here right now. Today take the financial aspects about these things. But you would sit here today. And would you take a amalgam of your money and bet that carson wentz will never be atop gen quarterback again. I mean yes. He could have flashes here. There are a couple of weeks but yes he'll never be a fixture there. I think he's that broken dan. I think that. Also the lesson for me. And i'll use a low end example in a high end example jay cutler on the low end and matthew stafford on the high end you can go broke waiting for a guy when because it's a little unfair with stafford right. He's in a terrible organization and he has a lot of talent but you go broke waiting for the guy who shows you glimpses to take you to the promised land like if this was year two or three i would say yeah. Come on got too much high end talent. He is incredibly talented tough. And by the way people talk about how smart he is a football sense. I'm willing to believe that that that he's shown that but it's year five. He's making mistakes in year. Five that are shocking to me. Dan the reason it sounds like i'm so hard on him because i was so high on him. You know. I saw the things that you talk about but little by little. That's been eroded. I because of injury and then because i think he has to more had too much power in the organization too much power. He's twenty eight now. Like i don't know you have to show me an example. You brought up a good example. You want to bring up the example that brought up on tv today of a guy who looked like a bust had never done what one wednesday we all call the bus the now he's bowling yup tannahill. Yeah i mean. I just listen. I think it's You gotta be very careful about sitting going quarterback. We've seen quarterback do quarterback can't ever do again like there's only thirty two of these guys on the planet and there's probably only twelve that have the talent to be really good at it at least at the nfl levels. And i think you gotta be very careful to go. 'cause we did that about ryan tannehill right. He can't play really with you. Was he with a coach. That was in a really good coach. And we see with people around them. That was very good. Derek carr two years to three years ago. Derek card stuff. But they're paying money is there. Is this your car really bad. Or does he have no receivers. That can win and the coach. That doesn't have any vision. That's what i'm saying. Like matthew. Stafford i was with magic stafford. Everyone's oh matthew stafford thinks really guys. Because i was without staffer from two thousand fourteen. Two thousand sixteen. He was playing top five football with a good coaching. Staff and staff stay for never came. Listen i understand. That's an organizational. Issue never came close delivering a super bowl and i would say tannahill needed a change of scenery. He needed to switch franchises. I the argument is look. It's easier to move roseman and peterson out. Then it is to move carson wentz. You might be right then like i if you can't move the contract you're stuck with them for the next two years and you've got to hope for the best and bring in a new coach in a new gm. I'm saying if you can somehow unload that contract and get out from under wentz. If okay let me let me ask you if you could get out from under wentz. Dan would you and you start again. Oh heck no i think. That's absolutely ludicrous. i. I'm literally ten months removed from this guy breaking. Nfl records. like i. I listen you gotta ask yourself. You think he can be great again. And if you if if you believe that as an organization in general manager then the decision becomes conduct doug get him. His confidence back like constant hasn't shaken so i would not move from carson wentz absolutely not and we didn't even get to talk about tom. Brady bruce arians cam newton. We'll do that next week. Thank you very much. Recent number one pick pick who took his team to the super bowl he better get benched. Max kellerman show espn radio twenty. Twenty has changed the world of sports. Some teams are adapting to the times by making changes in their stadiums and arenas while others are letting fans by virtual seats in the stands. These changes have created demand for a wide range of unexpected roles from plexiglass screen. Installers video platform support specialists. 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Nevertheless bruce arians and tom brady arians breeze been calling all the place and everything but he also said that it's getting better and you know they're through faith that it's going to get there and it's getting there. He likes the direction. It's going but people just. I think there's smoke there's fire and that they're getting a sense that not all is is great between those two. I don't know. I don't see it that way when i look it the box and brady and arians. I see a situation playing out almost exactly as i predicted. And i'm not gonna pretend like i was alone in this. The oddsmakers had the bucks nine and a half nine and a half wins over under nine and a half. So if if you like the over your took ten wins. That's what i thought was going to happen about. Ten wins. They get a little lucky eleven. A little unlucky number. Call ten wins. Guess what the bucks are seven and five well. Because how's that going to work member before the season started arians no risk it no biscuit tom brady dinka dunk. How's that going to work. Well not perfectly brought this up on the show yesterday to floyd mayweather used to say you'd better not make no mistakes. Floyd one perfect but he made fewer mistakes than the other guy. Everytime that's belichick bellichik. Chick is not perfect but he makes fewer mistakes than anyone else. That's not arians. No airplanes is not the greatest coach of all time. And if what people are telling me as well in order to win the super bowl with tom brady needs is a great offense. He's got it. It's embarrassing how much literally embarrassing. How much talent. Tom brady has on offense. If i were here. Might be embarrassed. Antonio brown chris. Godwin mike evans and rob gronkowski played with for a decade. How how many weapons do you need. It's embarrassing how many targets he's got receivers got no. He needs more than that. He needs a lie. That's going to make a perfect pocket forum to needs an elite running game because he has a defense. You gotta talk ten defense and you got. He got a good coach. is aryan great coaches. He belichick no but like so. Let me get this straight now. Brady needs like the best offensive line in the league in elite running game all those weapons atop ten defense and the world's best coach and then he can win a super bowl. Yeah like half the quarterbacks who ever lived would say that you could say that about because that's what brady is. He's he's in the middle pack somewhere. He is a little bit ahead of where. I thought he'd be two years ago like when i said fall off the cliff. Oh my god. He's amazing he's amazing and all of the sudden he's just a guy i said on the first show. I said he's going to be a bomb in short order and then the next day apologized. I didn't bomb as being hyperbolic i meant. Just a guy. I said jag just a guy. Meaning like a league. Average kind of player. Which is a league average quarterbacks fine but it's not. Tom brady and i expected that to happen by like two thousand eighteen and here. We are two years later but it wasn't a cliff as i thought it would be as it was with. Brett farve is it was with peyton. Manning is with everyone who ever lived. Who played until the age tom. Brady's playing past forty a decline. It was a steady decline. But here we are his numbers. Say maybe he's a tick below average. I think he's a tick above average but he's in the middle of the pack and guys in the middle of the pack. Meet all stuff to go right for them win. Baker mayfield needs a lot right to if you win a super bowl. He's got to have a lot catanha. He'll win a super bowl maybe he needs a little less than baker can mahomes when a suitable area. The hosie find you can win the super bowl guy like shawn watson. Yeah yeah you gotta give them something. Don't take away best receive or give them a defense you know. Yeah they're guys who need more. You know those guys are the guys who aren't as good cats who those guys are. They're not as good for me more. A hard say rocket science. So people angry insane. Brady's got the yeah so they're headed for about ten wins. Look at their schedule. They have an easy schedule the rest of the way. Let's say they win. Three out of four they wind up ten and six and by the way they might win a playoff game. I wouldn't put it past them and that's about it. Someone said what do you think about the bucks off season. I would've said ten wins possible. Playoff spot maybe. A playoff win right. So what do people surprised about. Why is that. Because brady's three and he's new to a system that was the opposite philosophy of what he needs but on the other hand he's still will probably be big on third down when you need them and he'll be at least solid and they have a lot of weapons in tampa bay and they got a defense so ten wins and maybe the playoffs and maybe a playoff win. So what what's wrong. Nothing nothing this is what you thought you knew what you were looking at can reach me. Eighty eight say espn andrea massachusetts. You're on the max kellerman show i call. Listen it's going on yup yup. That's my intro in their next technical. It's time Carson wentz to go. It's time to bring in a new space new energy so at fourth. I'm just perplexed. Doug peterson is anchored himself carson wentz and because they plan city of brotherly love and what sports means and that city. Both of them for me can go to the bottom of the mariana trench. Be just the record them losing. I'm so discouraged by all of these saxony taking six sacks last game. I don't want to hear about the offensive line and people that are being out. You got a guy in jail. Jalen hurts can extend plate. Hey look look hold on. Hold on andre. Look john jalen hurts. Yes had more success when he came into the game they carson wentz it had. Oh my god but who is he. Dan marino compared to what but starting hearts is not about your short-term chances it's about getting himself fixed and it's about holding him accountable to the rest of the team. Doug peterson as i mentioned earlier. If you are losing levin losing by two scores and it's eight forty left in the game and you're on your opponents fifteen yard line and its fourth and four kick. the field goal. Kick the field goal. Like i'm bob. I love aggression and coaches but there is such a thing as situational football. You're going to need those three points. What's he thinking. If these scores a touchdown there. Then he doesn't need a touchdown a two point conversion later. Is that what he's thinking. We're gonna go going to try. To score a touchdown go for the two point conversion right there and then kick a field goal later. Is that his plan to tie. What's he thinking about what he's thinking about. What the playing as well as the philadelphia defense is playing yesterday. What he's thinking about is get me away from this peterson. Don't want any part of that anymore. That's what it looks like to me. He wants out of the carson wentz nightmare and he's won a super bowl. He'll go home for the phone to ring. And it will. News from max kellerman nation outages dr pepper call in line. Got a question for me. Eight at eight say. Espn seventy nine. Three seven seven six. Ask ask max. It's not the name of the segment. Raj raj the segment and now you're you've misspelled axe. I forgot to put the e. instead of the k. Knocks max. Where's your haircut gone. We know you don't get out as much you don't drive by irregular sport clips and pop in for mvp haircut experience. That is so much more than a haircut. But isn't it worth getting out for for that legendary hot steam towel for your basic massaging shampoo. That makes you melt into your seat. Oh man you remember that right. We found your haircut. It's right where you left sport clips. 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Just wanna run this by you real quick and tell me what you think then when carson wentz and the philadelphia eagles winning that super bowl three years ago is what ruined him and his confidence and all issues now. Obviously there's a lot more factors. They're going to butt him him leading that team to thirteen and three record and then falls went in. The ring is divided that whole city. Whole fan base. And i don't think peterson there's any confidence in what's the more he sprinkles jalen hurts in the worse it gets a. That's an interesting theory because you know the locker room was divided. It had to be and you heard reports about that. You know who they wanted to be the quarterback. How would you want not want the guy just one super bowl. Mvp took on that super bowl. Run you can recognize. Wentz is more talented. Did not think he's right for the team meantime the next season they were five and six foals takes over. They catch fire make the playoffs and beat the bears at soldier field in the playoffs. Almost beat the saints. Yeah that didn't help things for carson wentz. I'm sure john new york. You're on the max kellerman show. Espn radio johnny. Roj you have to tell. The callers is to be ready to talk. Let me axe. Roj something segments gonna be called x. Roj your yeah. That's right i looked. Yeah no it's acts. I thought acts. Yeah all the name of the second time. No i know but i sabotage and this one so i can use more airtime sense julie in los angeles. Oh boy we've got you back on the phone roger. Hey what's up match. Thank you taking my call Let me preface this by saying. I'm a rampant and Before i get into my subject i think how your correlating carson wentz to the same way. It's rams are starting to look at jerk off but coffin never had wentz's high end. Golf looked good. Two thirds of the way through the season they went to the super bowl but he looked like maybe an mvp but it never looked like he had carson wentz's high end ability anyway. Yeah anyway like. I'm saying up until last year was f- the patriots and tom brady ever since he's the buccaneers the nearest and like i say i'm not a patriot fan near fan. I think he's been a little rough on the guy. I don't think he locate anything for continuity or chemistry or accountability. Plus a lot of things that go involved with your team you know you gotta know what line is going to pick this guy. Running backs gonna make that block. Where's he's guys cutting. Are we making good points. We have to. We have to go to break. I think you're making good points. I am that's why thought maybe there are ten win. Team right yeah. Continuity matters all that stuff. I wasn't the one saying they're going to win the super bowl. That was everyone else. I said ten wins. Maybe a playoff spot. Maybe a playoff win. 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Hour 1: Mahomes' Contract Details

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Hour 1: Mahomes' Contract Details

"And Good morning it is time to get up with Patrick. Mahomes richest man and all the sports. We'll explain how his half a billion dollars for much less than he could have gotten look, what does this mean for the next group of young great quarterbacks deck and the Shaun Steph right up and then if you were to make a ten year, bet on any of these. These young superstars which one would be, my answer might surprise you, and you'll hear it as we get started on. Get up right now from Bristol Connecticut. Mike Greenberg here and delighted you are there. We'll be with you for two hours then I tape. Come your way for a full two hours in their entirety, and there was only one place to begin and that is with. With the richest man all sports, congratulations! Patrick Mahomes on the deal yesterday. In case you need to be reminded. He had a sophomore season for the ages in twenty one MVP join Peyton. Manning is the only player with fifty touchdown passes, and five thousand passing yards in a season followed that up last year. I lead in Kansas. City to a super bowl win and a super. Super Bowl MVP he's the youngest quarterback at the time of his first MVP and Super Bowl title, and as a result yesterday ten years, four hundred fifty million dollars is the extension could be worth up to five hundred and three million get includes one hundred, forty, one and a half million dollar injury guarantee as well as a no trade clause. So Patrick Mahomes staying put. and. He posted that. tweeting yesterday here to stay also posted a minute highlight reel with that tweet, and so let's bring in the man who broke the story yesterday. All the news came from Adam Schefters. Twitter feed shefty. What more can you tell us about Patrick Mahomes contract? Greenie there are a lot of different layers to it. First of all, we're GONNA pandemic where there are very few players being signed to long term extensions take a look around the league and look at the lack of deals right now for guys like Prescott to Shaw Watching Joey Bosa. Jalen Ramsey players all looking for a deal. No one close to the on here comes Patrick Mahomes with the richest contract in NFL history besides Avin talking both sides wanted to get it done, and really what it amounts to Greenie is they are staggering numbers in many ways Patrick Mahomes, but if you can believe it, it's actually a team. Friendly deal actress Mahomes had two years remaining those years remain intact, twenty seven point eight million dollars for the next two years, and then the ten year extension for four hundred fifty million dollars an average of forty. Forty five million kicks in. It allows the chief to do what they want moving forward. It preserves their cap space in the next couple of years. They have flexibility to try to repeat. As Super Bowl champions. The two sides have been talking about a deal. They got really close together to getting it done over the weekend, and then it got signed ultimately yesterday with Patrick Mahomes, basically giving away the rest of his career to the chiefs, his contract will be up when he's thirty seven years old, and so he makes huge amounts of money, but Is Now under contract to lease thirty seven now it sort of feels like a win. Win as you describe it that way. We've been referring to his pending contract situation as being willing to rob from Peter to pay Patrick so the way you just described this. How does this enable the chiefs to pay some of the players? They need to right now. Particularly Chris Jones who might be their second best player? He's already on their books for sixteen point one million dollars and this deal leaves. Leaves them with over three million dollars in cap space, so if you want to get Chris Jones signed to a long term extension that essentially would give you more cab flexibility this deal I. Don't believe really impacts very much Chris Jones. They can do what they wall with him. If they still want to sign them long term, they can, but this deal. I think gives them clarity over the long term future. That's what it really does for the chiefs and at a time where the NFL. NFL is poised to move forward with a new media rights deal with huge numbers that are expected to come into the NFL on its TV contracts, and all those sorts of negotiations these numbers could go way up and Patrick Mahomes is locked in place before that deal gets done at record numbers for him, and I think later on for the chiefs some relief at that point later on for them that I. Think is a really interesting way to put this because someone pointed this out to. To me. Let's use the twelve years which would include the extension is basically how long he's locked in for now. If you were to go backwards twelve years, the highest paid quarterbacks were Peyton Manning Brett Farve at roughly twelve million dollars a year, so the quarterback market has basically tripled in that period of time. If you do that math, he's obviously gonNA. Wind up getting a lot less than that going forward. What was the reaction? You're hearing from? People around the League to VAT thought yesterday. Well I think that people were surprised that he locked in that long, and in fact when I got the call that the deal was getting done and I heard that it was ten years. Your reaction is ten years. The longest contract in the NFL today is Tyron Smith Down in Dallas the offensive tackle. WHO's on an eight year contract? This contract essentially is double the amount of time of a normal NFL contract at I'm we're not? Not seeing extensions get done, so not only. Is it an extension, but it's an extension for really a record amount of time for the player in the game, so there are so many things to process there together and I think people looked at it and said we'll Patrick. Mahomes is worth the richest contract in sports, and he's now secure, and the children of his children's children should be secure so from that standpoint Patrick Mahomes got. That he should have. He deserves every penny, but I think there are a lot of people who said to give up that amount of time to commit to the chiefs that long a period. That's an awful long time where we don't know where the meteorites deal is going exactly. We know that it's going to be up. We know there's going to be all sorts of gambling money that comes into the NFL that's going to boost the salary cap, and so I think people were surprised to see him. Give up so much of his future. Yeah, I'll be honest with you. That was my first thought when I saw your post. As Well I. Feel like I need to. To ask you because there was some immediacy here July. Fifteenth is the deadline. That's eight days away for the Cowboys Dak Prescott to work out a contract. Obviously, part of that has been waiting to see where the quarterback market falls lies. Whatever word you want, use for it. What does this yesterday? What impact do you think it has on what happens with back in the next week? It depends on which way you want to look at it green because the numbers I think don't change all that much. If anything DECK PRESCOTT VALUE MAY GO up with really wasn't disagreement between the Dallas. Cowboys in Prescott over the value of the contract. That's not the hang up. Hang up! Up is the years Prescott is adamant that it's a four year deal. MMA COWBOYS WANNA on at least a five year deal. Now we see patch homes. I mean with a ten year deal double with the Dallas Cowboys. WanNa give Deck Prescott so if you're Dallas, you can say the Dak will look the homes just give ten years. Why can't you give us five? But the fact is that doesn't have to change. He's on the Franchise Tag. He could play year if he plays it year to year. His deal is going to average close to forty million dollars anyway if he just goes year to year, which in sport like football? Very few players are willing to do. Do Fascinating shefty again as always with all the news yesterday well done my man. Thank you very much some reaction from yesterday. Including the aforementioned Tyron Matthew saying the young man deserves it. All One of the Best I've been around one of the greats number fifteen hashtag running back Jamal Adams tweeting. What's understood doesn't need to be explained. Hashtag Ferrari Kendall Fuller. A former teammate tweeting pat getting baseball contract is so fitting for those of you who don't know. His Dad was a baseball player. Our general manager is Mike Tannenbaum who was waking up with us this morning, and if you waking up today, Mike t as the general manager of the chiefs. How are you feeling? I feel fantastic. I have the best player in the sport under contract for the next twelve years and really greedy. This was the perfect storm. He's the best player in the sport he's. It's remarkable. He's twenty eight and eight as a starter. He's going to be twenty five in September, his character is impeccable, and when you think about it from a football standpoint, greeny, his skillset really is about the future of our sport has a great arm. He had grave ability. He can make throws inside the pocket outside the pocket. So this was a perfect storm to get this contract. Did he leave a lot of money on the table by signing a deal this long? You know you could make that argument and Adam Shirley alluded to that. The macroeconomics of the NFL a really poised to continue to explode when we talk about gambling revenue down the road, and typically these extensions as Adam alluded to about five years, and certainly he would have gotten another by the apple still in his prime, so he certainly left money on the table in terms of what the next May look like. But when you're talking about the type of guarantees, he's got. You could understand why he would sign the contract. I know that you've got the contract yesterday and you were looking at over. What did anything in particular? Stand out about it? We haven't touched on yet. Oh. Yeah, there's a few things the magnitude of the steel when you talk about four hundred and fifty one million dollars Khalil Mack Matt Ryan Russell. Wilson combined don't make four hundred and fifty one million dollars, so that number staggering the other thing though from Kansas, city chiefs fan that I'm really excited about when you think about where he's going to be in terms of salary cap ranking. Ranking for quarterbacks this year. He's going to be thirtieth and next year. He's be twelve so I feel really good about keeping Chris Jones but keep an eye on guys like Sammy, Watkins maybe moving on next year and Travis Kelsey, the year after when these bigger cap numbers kick in and something else that I picked up on that subtle but important. He earns about five hundred thousand dollars. Dollars a year in an off bonus, and here's why that's critical when your best player is in Kansas City in the off-season, everybody else has to be there. So I thought that was a really smart. Move at it shows that Patrick Mahomes is a selfless leader, so there's a lot of things in this contract that work out well for both sides, but that little nuance is important from. From a team building standpoint totally agree might stay close because I'm coming back to you a lot this morning but I'm GonNa. Get some players in here. I got Tim Hasselbeck and Desmond. Howard ready to go here this morning and Tim I will start with you. What was you when you first saw this yesterday? That the deal the huge money from a homes? What was your initial reaction? It sounds like it was a little bit like yours Greenie I. Think I was I was stunned at the length of the deal. quarterbacks and really players in general are looking for shorter deals, and as much guaranteed money as they can, and they want the shorter deal to get another crack at the APP. Just like that to me I think what was so surprising. Deals typically do not age well so when you're talking about it and you alluded to this. About. Manning was making back in twenty ten. He was averaging on a deal that starting in two thousand four, that ended in two thousand ten. He was averaging about fourteen million dollars per year. The deal he signed after that was averaging eighteen million a year so five years ago Peyton who was regarded as one of the best, if not the best in the game at the time. was making about half of what the top quarterbacks are making right now so even if it doesn't triple as you said Greenie, what? That means quarterbacks. Thirty we making eighty million? A year and Mike referenced. It and Adam referenced it in terms of TV. Rights deals are meteorites deals. The gambling impact on on the salary cap, and so my initial reaction is like. Wow, this is really friendly situation to have him locked up this long. Desmond, what do you think? I tell you what guys I think that term and Mike. T hit it on the head. My initial reaction though was that's a big number, so I ended up calling Leigh Steinberg. Who was Patrick mahomes agent was my agent when I played in fail and Lee talked about the contract and I know guys are blown away by the ten year deal, but you understand that these things normally they go ten years. Ask scripted. There's always some flexibility in these contracts were maneuvering negotiations down the road I? Think that you're six seven eight nine. You may see some change in the contract depending on what the market yields for that position and based on his performance, if he goes on Patrick, mahomes with the cassidy cheese. If they go on to win, two more super bowls by year six or seven. There's no doubt in my mind when you look at this franchise, this organization the relationship that they have with Patrick behold because he committed twelve years of his athletic professional athletic life to do that, they would not have a problem going back to the table. Interning salary into signing bonus, or whatever were help him make sure he's getting into the market value at that particular time so I understand. People blown away by the teen years, but don't get caught up so much in the years. The money is worth to me the big the big topic in this kind of track. I had -standingly really good start. Guys, thank you very much. We can quick break here. We have so much more. More to do on this, it's a huge day. In the NFL it has enormous repercussions including for another quarterback, the deadline for long-term deal for Dak. Prescott is a week and a day away. What does everybody thinks that this deal means for him? We're going to get to that, and then we'll get to my question of the day if you were going to place a ten year. Bet on any athlete in sports right now. Would it be got a whole bunch of friends ready to argue about this? As we continue in Mike? Bounded, revved up and ready to go to. They look at him. He got the name spelled right good morning. Ingredient blender is full. Give a big show coming up. Get up just underway on ESPN. Let's talk about that. Prescott, the cowboys and Dak have eight days remaining to come to a long term deal on a contract, or that will play twenty twenty under the franchise tag with Patrick mahomes yesterday, agreeing to the massive contract extension, the questions begin. What does this mean for deck? You heard Adam schefter sort of going back and forth on saying the impact might be significant. It might not let's get to the heart of the matter here again I've Tim. Hasselbeck I've desmond. Howard but Mike team general manager I'm starting with you if you. How do you believe the Patrick Mahomes Monster, extension yesterday impacts the deck situation which has eight days to resolve. Is your money, not sure what to do with itself right now at ally, they'll help it save for the future with their smart savings tools. 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When Dallas went back a year ago and paid Zeke, Elliott unnecessarily, and they were fighting over thirty thirty one million dollars a year. That is out the door Dak. Prescott could play this year under the franchise tag and next year. If they franchise them again, it's going to be roughly about thirty. Thirty seven million, so he has about sixty nine million dollars over two years to do nothing. There is no way he's going to take less than thirty seven to thirty eight million dollars a year on a long term deal, 'cause Russell Wilson's at thirty five Patrick Mahomes is now at forty five, so that was blew it from a strategic planning standpoint, the only part of this deal that helps Dallas's position and Adam schefter alluded to earlier is. The ten year extension helps douses position about wanting to go longer, so I think that made a little bit more money because of Mahomes, but he may have to go up another year or two on the contract, because doc was hoping to get that second by the apple after the fourth year I think that's probably off the table at this point desmond. I've not had a chance to ask. Ask You about this in our conversations. And that is you hear the numbers that Russell Wilson is get it has and now the numbers that mahomes are getting. There's a lot of sort of mixed opinion on whether or not Tak Prescott, really is in that category as a player. Where do you stand just on-deck in general as he has? Eight days left for the situation to get resolved. If I'm in the front. Office for the cowboys I respect DAX talents. He's a really good quarterback, I don't think he's in the stratosphere as mahomes. Russell Wilson I. do think that he's a guy who can you can. You can rely him to get you to the play offs not to a super bowl. He has shown that yet, so if I'm Dallas I'm looking at. That press. Guy Communist you can't. You can take your two best years as a cowboy and they don't add up. Even close to what Patrick Mahomes has done in his first two years of starter, so the comparison is like apples two grenades in my opinion. I think that is a great quarterback, but he's not in the same stratosphere. Patrick home so I would not use mahomes contract as leverage if I'm part of a Dak Prescott. Ages, so we all understand it. Sometimes things don't work that way. What is your perspective if you if that were to call you up? which I think is unlikely. To call you, say Tim. How do you think I should play this over the next eight days? What would you tell them? Well. He doesn't need to call me. It's pretty clear and Mike wait it out fairly well. When you look at the Carson Wentz and Jared Goff deals, it's pretty easy. Their four year deals around a hundred and thirty million dollars, and there's roughly one hundred ten million guaranteed. It's a little bit more than one hundred and ten million guaranteed for Jared Goff, so if you are decked Prescott, you're not even you're not even entertaining anything less than that. Mike alluded to it. You have basically for doing nothing two years seventy million dollars so in order to give up. Know another opportunity towards free agency? Like what are you GonNa? Do what are you going to give him for that? So Deck Prescott deal the parameters of it should be pretty simple like he wants a four year deal, but it's going to be four years over one hundred and thirty million. It's going to be. Over one hundred and ten million guaranteed. If you WANNA attack on that fifth year to it. If you're the Dallas cowboys, then you better. Give Him something in return so I actually don't think this is really all that difficult. I, stay close here when you get back to you moment, but I had my roundtable discussion ready to go that I want to jump into, and it starts with this poll question that I put up on twitter last night. It's going to run through the end of the show today, so there's a lot of time for these numbers to change in candidate been changing right now. He's got thirty eight thousand votes. Ten of those thousand came in the last few minutes alone since he I put it up on TV, so you can change this if you want to. Which of these young stars would you bet on to have the best next ten years Mahomes Jaanus Zion? Mike Trout, there are other options at a lot of people suggested to me yesterday. These were the four. Four that I put on my twitter poll. You can cast your vote here. Are Some of the options okay before Patrick Mahomes agreed to his extension might trout had the largest contract in sports history twenty eight years old? He's already a three time MVP I think he is unpaid. Potentially be the greatest baseball player ever. The future of the NBA is led right. Right now by Janos COMPO-. Here's a force on both sides of the floor. He was last year's MVP has a chance to win another MVP this year Luca. Danni church belongs in this conversation second season. He leads the League in triple doubles is on pace to join Oscar Robertson is the only player to average twenty seven and their first two years and he's. He's so young, and then, of course there's Ion. He's only played nineteen NBA Games, but he's certainly shown us what he's capable of it. He has have sort of a dynamic quality about him. That is almost unmatched by anyone that we've seen come into. The League just turned twenty years old yesterday and there are other young stars. I wanted to put together. A group from different from different sports here so I've got buster Olney, I've got Dan Orlovsky and I've got desmond ready to go here from different sports and Buster I'm going to start with you if you were to place a bet for the next ten years on any one young athlete in sports who you put in that bed on. Yeah Greenie thanks for the very nonspecific party or question. Are you talking about marketing? Are you talking about championships or you thought about production? Look? If you're talking about the marketing. Of course, it would be Patrick Mahomes. He's going to be the biggest star in sports. He potentially could have more impact in marketing than anyone since Michael. Jordan and you would never bet on baseball player in that realm, especially when the two sides in baseball can't figure out any kind of labor peace, but in terms of production over the next ten years that I would bet on might try. You said it tried has a chance to be the greatest player ever think about this. He has more career war to this point, and he's just twenty eight years old. The Derek jeter and Larry Walker. who were just? Just voted into the hall of fame, and unlike mahomes he doesn't have a bunch of three hundred pounders trying to reckon every week he stays on the field. He catches blood ballsy calls off. The other outfielder picks them daisies. He'll continue to produce. I think that that is a very sensible one and I think it shows a little bit of where baseball is right now that he is so far down in the poll, because candidly, he is an excellent choice. Dan Hausky is shaking his head. Who are you have Orlov? This is a no brainer Greenie. It's Mahomes. Let's just look at like television viewership, right? We live in America America loves football. The top three most watched franchises last year where Sunday night football, Thursday night, football Monday night, football, the top to watch shows on television last year are both Kansas City chiefs games, four of the top fifteen most watched shows on television last year are Kansas City chief games like Patrick. Mahomes has become that athlete that it is must watch no matter what game it is who they're playing. You put him. And, so this is just the beginning of really in buster. tux On the Michael Jordan type of impact this is going to be that Lebron type of impact and in the the injury aspect of three hundred pound aspect I guess is a fair kind of thing. But it's professional sports. Injuries will be a part of them in any capacity, so he plays the most popular sport in America at the most popular position. He's the brightest star. We've ever seen this early. In the in the NFL show, he's the best seat. We've ever seen desk early in the NFL. I wanted to my friends. Go Buster. Let's go production. Let go up production his first two years as a starter. He's got the greatest points per game. Everett, thirty three. He's got the most passing yards per game ever he's got the most yards per attempt ever. He's got the most touchdowns ever. We could go production whatever we want to scale, it is the easy. Is Patrick Mahomes being? Star, the NFL has seen I'm glad that you did that because I did and you're right. The question was not specific enough. I'm not asking who's going to be the biggest story I'm asking. Who's going to be the best player and so I'm glad that we took it to that. Because mahomes remains a very reasonable choice by either one of those standards. Desmond Howard who you're betting on the next ten years. Well, the thing about the homes is. He's an exceptional talent over again. He didn't win Mvp the twenty nine hundred nine season, because he got injured. And now you're betting on him staying healthy for another ten years, which I think is a smart bet. Hopefully he will stay healthy, but he hurt last year. That's why then went mvp the league I will go in I look I. Think Luka, young NBA talent they got. Has All the skills greening your latour? Earlier? He led the League and triple doubles. Heavy into the MVP conversation, I think he has a style of play. That's sustainable for ten or twelve years. He's not playing outside himself. He has a great feel for the game so I would go with Luca. As my guy, I like it I didn't even put him on my pole because he got so many fewer. I asked a question. Go ahead. They no, but I think he's illegitimate. Case here's what I would say. That I think there. You have two players in this poll I. Guess All of them theoretically fall in this category, but you have two players in them who might be trending towards becoming the greatest in the history of their sport buster to your point? Mike Trout is trending towards being the greatest baseball player that ever lived, and he's a lot further along. Along in that then Patrick Mahomes is the sample size is just larger Janas. It's probably too early to say that I'm surprised. No one is on the honesty, or because seems to have a combination of talent, and does it on both sides of the floor, and no one else has seen if I would this myself I probably would go with Mahomes, but. It would be an eyelash Dan Orlovsky an eyelash over trout in order to take mahomes. You have to be willing to tell me right now. You believe ten years from now. We will say Patrick. mahomes is the greatest player in the history of football. Dan, do you believe that will be the case? Is your money. Sure what to do with itself right now at ally, they'll help it save for the future with their smart savings tools. 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That I thought he was going to take less than technically could because you wanted to have support around him, and so this is about a legacy case now in Padua Mahomes in ten years. We are going to have a conversation. Patrick mahomes versus Tom Brady, who the greater goo greater player, when it comes through their career and Patrick Mahomes, going to play longer than ten, but I think he's going to. To win that many superbowls he's gotta be. Because here's the thing. Why do we think he won't like? Someone has to tell me why they think. Packed from homes is going to be great. He'd literally is the best player we've ever seen in their first years. Hembo has put up the step. He's never had a bad game and everyone is going to tie the contract to like people around him. Go look at the chiefs. Draft picks. Go Look at how the drafted over the last four five years. They are well one organised. We'll continue to find people whether cheap free agents that can still play or guys in the second third or fourth round. There are going to be really really really good players, so I might. Trump's great I love my trope, but he he's not Patrick. Mahomes is so head and shoulders above everyone else right now. This early I agree with. Your question directly in a way that Dan did in ten years might trout will be the greatest baseball player ever. Thank you because that was going to be my question and I don't know that everyone fully grasped that now. The thing that they will say about trout is that he continues to be so great, but his teams never win and part of this discussion probably has to come with that and I get that a baseball player has less impact on his team's winning individually a quarterback does or a basketball player does but winning to fall somewhere into this buster. Will his team win a championship during his career? Look it's an open question. It's absolutely a fair question. You Willie become the Dan Marino of baseball that remains to be seen. Their trending in the right direction, but I don't think anybody would pick the angels now in the next two or three years to win a world series. My question's GonNa stay up for the remainder of the show so I'd love to cast a vote on twitter at ESPN, Greenie which of these four young, this new terrible answer here. They're all obviously choices. Who would you bet on? If a better amount of money that matter to you, we'll have the biggest next ten years in sports. Guys, thank you for the conversation much more on the homes as we continue deal keeps them in Kansas, city, through twenty thirty one we'll. He finishes deal with the chiefs are experts will weigh in. Let's talk about some of our favorite mahomes moments ten asa back. Give me your favorite mahomes moment. GonNa third and forever in the Super, Bowl basically we get a glimpse into you know kind of his greatness beyond just as ability to throw the football requests supplies play to Andy Reid You know as there are kind of in a time out, and that for me speaks to you know the the moment, the ability and also just the confidence basically call his shot. Desmond, how about your favorite mahomes moment? I'm going to super bowl. Two of the first quarter I'm all about setting the tone and I think it's a third eleven. Play in a red zone. He sacrifices body. POPs up first. Jimmy Ward stayed on the ground. I thought that really set the tone of sent a message early in the game to the forty niners that we're here to stay you better. Bring it tonight. Baby, how about you Dan for your favorite mahomes moment? Greenwich go back to two thousand seventeen his rookie year. It's his first start. It's the last game of the year. They're on the road. The chiefs you're on the road at the. First third down to the game. It's third and forever, and I remember watching the play. He uses Katie to get somebody. Jump off sides real quick and throws an absolute dime down. The seem to his tight end, and I thought to myself. This is going to be real special to I. I'm an ever broke tape down on TV as well. As well done Dan I saw that yesterday that you posted. You were definitely way ahead on. This one is going to bring us to our first sneaky Hembo question of the morning, and here is the question of the day the homes as a chance to be the next. Who was the last player to win Super Bowl MVP in consecutive seasons. That's the question. The answers next watching. Get up on ESPN. The Basketball Tournament Continues Today on ESPN with a round of sixteen doubleheader winners advanced to the quarter-finals, the One million-dollar winner-take-all first prizes today to eastern on ESPN and the ESPN APP. And with that, we approach the bottom of the hour nine thirty M. eastern time I Mike Greenberg. We were in Bristol Connecticut this morning. We get up on ESPN with for the next hour and fifteen minutes, and then I ache will come your way in its entirety at ten forty, five, a. m., eastern time for full two hours, and right now obviously with the conversation being all about Patrick. Mahomes and his huge contract. Our buddies sneaky Hembo was a question. Let's see if Dan Orlovsky can come up with the answer. The question Danny is this. Who is the last player to win super? BOWL MVP in consecutive seasons as Patrick Mahomes could do. Inbetween to players, Joe Montana or Terry Bradshaw. And I'M GONNA. Go with Terry Bradshaw. You know what you got it right you got. It is Terry Bradshaw. He's actually one of only two plans ever to do it. Montana never wanted in back to back years braiding everyone in back to back years the only other one. What is Bart Star? Who is the MVP of the first? Two super bowls while and the Akita's. Frustrated by Dan. Look Danny. Good News Patrick mahomes yet a sophomore season for the ages one MVP and twenty eighteen. Peyton manning and so doing as the only players with fifty touchdowns and five thousand passing yards in a season, so he was unbelievable that year, then he followed up last year by leading Kansas City to a super bowl win and winning the MVP, as we just mentioned becoming the youngest quarterback at the time of his first MVP Super Bowl, title, and then yesterday you know to the winner goes the reward. Reward. He gets a ten year. Four hundred fifty million dollar extension could be worth up to five hundred three million dollars. The extension includes one hundred, forty, one and a half million injury guaranteed dollars as well as a no trade clause, and his reaction was somewhat typically understated on twitter yesterday here to stay, and then he most certainly years. This was Adam schefter an hour ago. Here on, get up. First of all, we're in pandemic where there are very few players being signed to long term extensions still on here comes Patrick Mahomes with the richest contract in NFL history, besides have been talking, both sides wanted to get it done, and really what it amounts to Greenie is they are staggering numbers in many ways for Patrick Mahomes, but if you can believe it, it's actually a team. Team friendly deal. It allows the chief to do what they want moving forward. It preserves their cap space. In the next couple of years they have flexibility to try to repeat as Super Bowl champions, and I, think people looked at it and said well Patrick Mahomes is worth the richest contract in sports, and he's now secure, and the children of his children's children should be secure. Shefty from earlier this morning. Look at the squad that I've put together here this morning for you Hasselbeck in Howard and Mike. Tannenbaum Dan laughs and my t I'm going to start with you again. Because I think this is the important question as we consider the deal and the details in it if you're the general manager of the chiefs this morning, how do you wake up feeling? I'm ecstatic. I have the best player in our sport for the next twelve years. That's unbelievable and green again. This was a perfect storm water about his ability only has eight losses over two years and he's a champion. He won't be twenty-five until September. His character is absolutely impeccable, and his game fits the modern NFL. He can make all the throws. He has great mobility as sport continues to evolve Patrick Mahomes is the perfect player so it all lines up every boxes. Boxes Check F- I'm the Kansas City chiefs. The foundation of my franchise solidified for the next twelve years, and it was a deal that was described. You just heard it by Adam schefter and many others as being team friendly in a lot of ways, Dan Orlovsky we've not yet. Had you comment on this this morning? What was your reaction? Not Not to the fact that he's now the highest paid which we all anticipated, but the specifics of the deal that he signs. I mean it's it's great for both parties I. Honestly believe that his goal is to go case down Tom Brady. New England patriots I just I get that sense from Patrick Mahomes that he knows how great he is he. Going to continue to play at a remarkable level, and now it has become so much bigger than I wanNA have great seasons I want to throw for a ton of touchdowns or have a ton of fun. It is legacy chasing I really believed that he grasps this this early that I've got great ownership I have an attending general manager and a big time head coach and I could be. Be Part of something really really special that people will talk about for a long time I. Think this is about the new. England patriots and Tom Brady I really do and so I'm not surprised that this deal got done. This is what it looks like when you're when your team knows how good you are when you organization knows how good you are and to answer the question the. Brett vh. Do you remember the day after the National Championship when Marc Spears Ryan? Clark were sitting there relaxed back with the cigars in their mouth because they knew how good they had it and that moment. That's how I think think that breadth beach things about right now are that's how he feels. He gets to sit back every day. Smoke. A CIGAR GOES I am going to be in the two or Or three most favored teams to win the super. Bowl for the next dozen years I mean think about that for the next dozen years. He now knows that he will be one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl strictly because he has the best player on the planet, and for every NFL team that wants to go chase the next Patrick Mahomes or find the next Patrick. Mahomes I would caution them. Go find the next hunt, family, bread, Vicent, general manager and head cocaine read is well because as great as Mahomes is, it is so much greatness as a group effort in the NFL and right now the chiefs have the best group effort in the whole league in so many ways. This was the perfect storm that came together around the perfect player. Tim Hasselbeck all of us who watch football every week? We see this spectacular side arm throws and all the things that he does that. Jump off the screen, but through a quarterback's is what makes him the best quarterback in the sport to you. Well I mean I. do think that you know the supporting cast helps is Dan talked about ship and coaching I mean think about Andy. Reid is head success with just about every quarterback he's ever had, and this is the most talented one, and so that brings me to what sticks out is his talent I think when you? When you look at the things he does. Most quarterbacks would look at and go. You want to do. Oh, my Gosh! I can't believe he just did that. And then happens over and over again, and I was talking to Hembo yesterday basically brought the point about when I was in the League and Brett Farve was making throws. Other quarterbacks would reach out to each other and say. Can you believe that Roe made against the bears like I can't believe did that? I was ridiculous and that when you watch mahomes. Volume of the plays that are just absurd. Just so much more I mean it just. The things that he does are things that other guys that are really really talented can't do and so I think for me. That's why it's so easy to identify how talented he really really is. There's when you played with I. I'm interested to hear this as you watch mahomes. What do you see and I'm curious also if you played with Mahomes, how many touchdowns I think he would score. Interesting you brought a Brett Farr because they're play a couple of segments that go where he ran into. Jimmy Ward and sacrifices body for the first Donald Super Bowl and then he got up start looking at Jimmy War. It reminded me of Brett Farr Brett farve plate, the quarterback position with the linebackers mentality. He was a guy who set the tone of course he had tremendous arm talent, but it was his been tallied the way he approached. The quarterback position is what may all of his teammates fall in love with him. Offense the players deep deep as the players and special teams. And that's exactly what I see. Pra Patrick behold he plays with a lot of a laugh Mazzi, but he has a lot of fun out there to. We talked about the side on throws. Sometimes he'll throw the ball with his left hand. He's a guy who plays with his heart and players respond to that and they'll do anything from him. Similar to how Brett Farr plate air kind of like what you see when you see Tom. Brady is really funny. You made that compares because that's the first thing. I thought about when I looked at play, he ran over. Jimmy War to get. Get that first doubt. Thirty seven, the Super Bowl was Brett Farr Mike. Let me come back to you here. Because Chef, you also made the point that it is a team. Friendly contract at the first two years of it are not impacted, so if they're going to get Chris Jones resigned there. The defensive tackle who might be the second best player on their team is still have the ability to do that. Do you look at the chiefs right now? As a dynasty in the making based upon their salary cap situation, their quarterback situation, and all the other things that go around that. You only hit pause on the dynasty. Comment is I like this team this year and next year because again, the cat numbers are low, but then they spike because they have to and I look at players specifically like Sammy. Watkins probably not on the team next year. They're starting wide receiver. Next year in all probability could be their first or second round pick in next year's. Players like Travis Kelsey will probably have to graduate the year after so I love this team I love the nucleus I compete against the New England Patriots for over twenty years. Suggesting the dolphins, I, know that the dynasty looks like unfortunately, I really liked this team, but three to four years from now they're gonNA have to make sure that these parts are being replaced are at that same high level so I think they're really well position, but let's pause on the word. Dynasty for now Dan Dynasty. I the dynasty Greenie dynasties are made when you draft really well, and all those guys that might t mentioned besides Sammy Watkins. Draft picks I mean Eric Fisher draft pick Kelsey, draft, pick tyreek, Hill draft pick. Michael, Draft Pick Chris Jones I mean all these guys are draft picks. This organization knows what it looks for when it when it comes to talent, and they spot it, and they pick it well, and there's a lot of teams in the NFL that don't and so that that again I'll go back to the question. What makes us think other than the actual numeric value of quarterback contracts that this team won't be a dynasty? This is not a team that just got picked. Place together via free agency if they draft really really well Travis Chelsea's a draft pick. So? Clyde ever delay, or I mean they just draft really well and so. Yes, there's going to be people that they're going to have to move on from, but they are so good at using that draft to supplement that talent and develop that talent, and then put that talented possession to six position to succeed. That's why I see a dynasty I think in in ten years the chiefs will be participating at least half of those super bowls. That constitutes a dynasty in the NFL. No team has won three straight NFL championships since. Since before it was called the Super Bowl since before there was one the green bay packers in the sixties and the last to do, we'll take a short break here coming up. They are young. They're huge talented. which youthful superstar would marcus spears and Stephen a build a franchise around right now I will ask them that question at the top of the hour, and he has one of the best on in the NFL, but it is his legs. That may set him apart from everybody else. You'll find out why as we continue. GEICO knows there are many reasons why you ride from the thrill of the revving engine and pure adrenaline of flying down the highway to the confidence of knowing that Geico always has your back with twenty four seven access to claim, service but Ari. Snyder has one reason in particular. That I had extremely large upper arms. They won't even fit into most shirts. 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Dense the pirates. brewers role eleven five a year ago Brian Anderson to the call on F S Wisconsin. Welcome to Friday welcome to the end of a long four day workweek. Just kidding you because. It's not a long four day WORKWEEK, but it is the weekend and thank God Wisconsin is for the most part open, even though cancellations abound left and right Wisconsin State Fair state fear the. Fear. It's starting to adopt the local dialect Wisconsin. State, fair gone. First Time in seventy five years giving what was your law five years ago glorious. Rides. World War Two was going. and. most of the men folk rover. You know fighting the Nazis and. So, there's a real. There's a real world struggle going on Josh in which the future of America was absolutely in doubt now. There is a tiny little bug. That has about the potency of the annual flu and people have lost their ever loving minds, the country in some parts and certainly organizations and big events. Are Now so terrified to leave their locked basement. They don't know what to do. And this whole social distancing mantra, which has no evidentiary basis in science. There's no conclusive studies at prove that there's anything magic about six feet. is now being used as well? We can't hold the fair. We can't stay six feet apart. It's madness, but it's madness that is spread across the land. Until somebody says you know what we're doing it until somebody gets that, Leroy Jenkins Spirit I. Don't know how you're ever. GonNa do anything ever again. Within six feet of somebody else. This is why I've said I reject the notion of social distancing. Sure in a temporary quick two-week pop in the middle of a pandemic. Yeah, that's fine. We can spread out just a bit. We're not a spread out society where a gather society where a get together society where a hug society. Let's bring it on in society. If you, WanNa have that society back which I do I plan to. We'd have to fight for. People have to stick their necks out and speak out, and maybe you know endure the wrath of the Cairns invoke a Kovin of Cairns to descend upon him to go from being. Even the thought of that. The numbers are staggering when you actually look at them. When it comes to this corona virus at least in the state of Wisconsin now. Media outlets Wisconsin. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel love to hike. Three new records were set yesterday. I scream records. A twenty two new deaths, the old high was nineteen. Hey. How about that? What a record that is, they'll say record distracted, and then we'll go, and there's also a record number of tests. Well, what was that we? We tested more people's. House the percentage of positives gone. That's that's down. A little keeps going down. Old keeps going down down down. And in broad sense I mean Wisconsin is a state population five point eight million people. And right now according to world dominators. Six thousand active cases of Corona virus, of which we have no idea how many are completely asymptomatic. And there have been a total of five hundred and fifty unfortunate deaths of loved ones and people that mattered to other people, but still five hundred and fifty, five, hundred and fifty dead out of a state population of five point eight million does not make for a pandemic. But everyone's scared. Organizers stirred. What do we do? Oh, my God. Is it safe? Oh. There is no safe at that point zero zero zero zero nine percent right. And I mean at some point. Someone's got a man up and say nothing's totally safe. There's you know what else is not totally safe. Safe the state fair. Do you have any idea the amount of ways you can get sick at the state fair. I would go there at eight in the morning. Eat a deep, fried peanut, butter and Jelly then go have some cheese Kurds and four glasses of milk, and it's not even ten am yet. You don't got sick. Yeah of course, I got sick. It's a state fair about eating four cream puffs and a sitting right. Let's be honest with ourselves. Morbid obesity is far more of a killer than this virus trying to say. The State Fair just saying the truth and I know because I'm in that category myself. The, state, fair, which is sort of the super bowl of more of Morbid obesity I mean I love the foods that they have there. It's great. Everyone does and while eaten in moderation fine. The Good one! Even moderate is. Four one four in the politico dot com, talk and text line the city of Hartford, where I went to high school, manning up and opening their outdoor pool, and still having a fourth of July parade good. Wonderful MANITOWOC having their fourth of July fireworks as well love it. Love it. Love it because it has to happen, and here's the poll question of the day that I put up on twitter. Ads Abe and at the Game Mk. How would you describe. The cancellation. Of the State Fair. A needlessly scared be a little, premature or see a prudent no-brainer. Currently prudent no-brainer leading. Forty three percent. Now if you add the scared and premature together, you could say the top two which would lean towards having it. are winning. But there's just a lot of people who are scared and think well. Do we really need the state fair because you think of it as an end user, you don't think of it as The people that are in it and the people who count on their whole economic year being based on it. According to this Guy Ying-ling. The board member who was. The chair like hey, you're call. Without by not having the state, fair the State Fair Park will lose around four point five million. If they had a reduced subpar fair that was limited in scope. It could have only lost two million. And before the pandemic organizers were budgeting for a two million dollar profit. And the story here in the Wisconsin Milwaukee Journal, Sentinel chronicles all the different. Vendors lots of sidebar stories about the vendors that had you know geared up for the fair, and how in advance they have to start the company that makes the lug nuts. Very popular snack have you had to lug nuts at the state fair? I'm sure I did I'd probably. Every single thing. Everything you've had you've had it there, are they talk about you know. We had to start making them in huge quantities while Atta time now I don't know the timelines for when what's the last go no go. But my God were you know August sixth through the sixteenth I? Think was the dates of this Yep. You know it's not even June first yet. It will be soon. We'll be June first Monday right when it's the twentieth. so somebody's big day on Monday. Birthday throw it on the poll. A three. Over. We're going to celebrate so hard and the ad now or not. I'm just thinking, could you? You. Sit Tight for one more month. There's a real possibility that by the time July first rolls around that in Wisconsin. Excuse me in Wisconsin. You'RE GONNA. Have a hundred. Or you're going to have maybe a thousand cases and you might have to deaths. A day to new deaths a day. So how are you going to feel? And that could be on July first and then it could be almost gone entirely. Come August Haganah feel a state park state. Fair Park sitting empty. When basically this thing is gone because you just couldn't wait well and I think that's one of the big. Points that we've learned about through. This pandemic is just when how long it takes to organize. All of these things because people have I mean people always say? We, WE WANNA. Thank everyone for all of the hard work. They put in over the last year getting this event together Bob and we just go. Yeah, okay, yeah, good for those, but now that it's not happening. We're seeing okay, so you're telling me that realistically. Two months isn't enough time to get this thing up and running. You need more time than that and you look at these events that are canceled three four months out and you go really you. You need that much time. Well it just it disheartens, may that there's so few people that want to say. We're GONNA find a way to do it. And, we're not going to cancel now. We're going to hang in there. We'll find a way. And it is so anti how this country was during real. Existential crises like World War Two. Where we had women by the thousands and thousands and thousands learn how to rivet steel plates. Onto airplane bodies, Rosie. The riveter ever heard of her. Yes. That was the spirit back then because the existence of America, as even being America was in the balance. If Hitler, and company were not turned back. This is a far less challenge and it just seems like it's too easy now. Let's not do it. You, but that's the safe thing to do. It's the same mentality that I've railed against with you know these stupid nets in baseball. The net analogy or the net parallel is very similar in that here. You had a very very tiny problem in major league baseball that some fans were getting hit and injured by foul balls in certain areas of the park. And because a handful of them were sort of like all. Wow is a little girl. It's like we must enact a draconian countermeasure to this tiny little problem that is going to adversely affect the view and the experience and the enjoyment of going to a major league game, but the safety. The Safety Brigade said Nope. If it saves one little girl from getting hit from a foul ball. And those of us that simple want we just make sure that we don't let little girls sit in those sections that will put them behind the screen. We'll put them in the outfield. We'll put them somewhere else. People like me, said well sure you're going to protect that little girl from baseball. What about when she's toddling along the concourse and some drunk and a yellow Jersey weighing three hundred pounds. Walks right over her and cracks her head under the concrete. What about that well? We can do this. We can make it safer. And I and the small. Notion that the small group of others who said these nets are terrible, the totally obstructive you. We were shouted down Josh. We were told we were insensitive and we were told how dare you? Why struck by shoulders and I I said okay well, that's too bad. You know the worst of not having the state various. But we're going to hear about Mario Dilemmas and his cream puff eating championship value gets. He gets to keep the title. Trust me. There are plenty of theories out there that he is responsible for all this because he didn't WanNa have to defend his championship. And he has not been available for questions by the way. Out to them all right I did see Mario Dilemmas on twitter with a fruit roll up eating contest family, which we fruit by the foot, which he destroyed them in, yeah, destroyed his family, and was very proud of it. Duty. One sued can eat okay, really county. I'll give them that. All Right! We'll start unpacking these sports news of the day as thin as light as it is, and then we're just gonNA. Have some fun on a Friday because life is still good in the good land. AIDS. German all. Start you out with a good one for the weekend. At memes, twitter account says Shocking Minneapolis riders loot store take everything. Except Kirk. Jersey. That is so on point. We'll. See a little laugh amidst all the chaos, but yeah a minneapolis. Tighten up! Jeez, looking pretty scary turning up. Everybody. Worries. I. Feel. So much. Already. Also think it was yesterday. Maybe it was today I. Don't know it's happy ass in the Jackpot Day. Today. Is it. You shorts today, some one hundred percent hundred percent. Okay this. Of course, the Great Terry Collins for the mets exchange with Tom Hallion the umpire when they're trying to retaliate for years ago against Chase Utley. Who did a hard slide and broke the leg of the mets shortstop I forget was. but they they have syndergaard throw behind ugly on his first pitch. And then all hell breaks loose in the line that came out of it. This is from a bit of audio that had been found or like the might have been Tejada. The UMPIRES were miked up. And halley and was trying to calm down Terry Collins, explaining what my ass in the Jackpot. Jackpot we don't do something there. Yeah here's the whole exchange. This is great, but. It goes the pick to this Irene to the screen behind Utley. Hallion you're done. Not In that situation. Thank you. Know. I. Say that that ain't GonNa Happen. I'm asked one time to do it. That's all. When's the right? Scott is what it is, but that could happen. It is what it is. That we don't do something that I'm just telling you that. Okay the situation of what happened and everything else. That's what dictates that okay never. comes. We didn't know y'all. Everybody knows everybody knows what. The way he could hear the crowd sturgeon ramp up. Because here comes collins out of the DUGOUT. They're go. Back. Terry Take him take him. He's like you go talk to these players I gotta go talk to the manager was the coochie. Retiring. Leads with. Leaves with that one. That's the opening salvo. SMART. Breaking get a handle. Come on, let's go. Talk. Good. Can you talk to me I? GOTTA GIVE! You. I, it reminds me. Of something like a mob scene where you know, you got a low level mobsters bigoted. GotTa give me. I can. Talk to me. You've got. Shot you know. Me, love me. Hear what I'm saying okay. DO I. Not I. Next time. Are you know where I stand? I'm hope. John! Very listen. You're better than that Tommy. been the duck lot now. Run. It's almost like like I'm glad I bought that phrase for four dollars go. Really used enough really wearing it out here. Such a good one are as in the Jackpot. It didn't really seem to soothe the mets. Players know or did soothe. Terry Collins. You know what this is sports. What we missed so badly that energy that vibe of that communal feeling you're in a stadium that is packed, and all of a sudden hell breaks out. And you're like e add and you're into it and your blood's flow on your skin is tangling, and you're saying to yourself. I'm alive right now. MALIVERT! That's what we missed so much. That's what we need so much and standing up. And walking again is proven to be very very difficult. So. That's why when I see. The governor of Texas say Hey twenty-five percent capacity for outdoor stadium, starting in boom, June unlike. I'm the enthusiastic Shyla. Book clapping! Jeff gone the Internet. Right. Isn't that the? Won The super where you're clapping so hard to hurts your hands. Good good for Texas. Not even a sports right now. That could use the twenty five percent outdoor stadium in June, but someone has to take a damn step. God bless Texas. Time for sports are man poses back in the house. He knows hockey. We see all season in a lot more. Kind of weird to this is posed no sports. To say brought to you by great mid West Bank for all your mortgage loan needs. Of the morning, mister, posing what is shaken while a day after Washington nationals ace Max Scherzer said players would not accept another pay cut. Prominent Sports Agent Scott Boras sent a memo to his clients, including Sherzer advising them to refuse. Major League, Baseball's attempt to reduce salaries as it goes with the Players Association to conduct a shortened season and Elba's latest proposal called for an eighty two game schedule in ballparks without fans that would have a sliding scale of salary reductions. Reductions with the highest paid players receive the largest cuts. The Union previously agreed to reduce pro-rated salaries, but baseball says that would result in a four billion dollar laws for the owners and would give players. Eighty nine percent of total revenue of games are played without fans. Boris wrote to his clients. Quote remember. Games cannot be played without you. Players should not agree to further pay cuts to bail out the owners. That's that's Scott Boris blowing the Viking Horn of war. ooh! Players like stand firm. ooh, the richest of the rich Max Scherzer telling mother players, what they should or should not do or agreed to meanwhile at least ten major league franchises have informed minor leaguers. They will continue to pay them. After the May, thirty first expiration of MLB's policy guaranteeing those players four hundred dollars, a week of the brewers reportedly will pay their minor leaguers through the end of June. Hundreds of minor leaguers were cut yesterday and hundreds more expected to lose their jobs. It seems almost certain. The Minor League season will be cancelled NFL owners yesterday table, a proposed rule change that would allow teams to attempt a fourth and fifteen play from. From their own twenty-five as an alternative to the onside kick, but several rule adjustments were approved for the two thousand and twenty season, including the expansion of automatic replay reviews to include scoring plays and turnovers that were negated by penalties and increasing the number of players teams can designate the return from injured reserve from two to three. The League also approved testing expanded use of video replay in the preseason with expanded communication between referees on the field and replay officials in the booth, mice president of Football Operations Troy Vincent, said the role that rule could lead to the addition of Sky Judge to officiating crews in the near future. Thought the sky judge was dead. Sky Judge Packers. Coach Matt Lawrence Staff could soon return to their offices inside Lambofield NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell hopeful that coaches will be able to return to their team facilities by next week. Adele said though that the virtual offseason will be extended two more weeks and ticket offices, retail shops and other customer targeted facilities like the Packers Hall of fame that comply with state and local regulations can open with employees counting in the current maximum. Maximum number allowed right now. Which is seventy five also packers running back Aaron? Jones says he'd like to be a lifelong packer, but understand things don't always go as planned in the NFL after topping one thousand yards for the first time and sharing the league lead with nineteen touchdowns last year, Jones is entering the final season of his rookie contract. Although he says he will not let the uncertainty affect him this year I trust. My agents and I trust the packers, and just do what I can control and I'll just continue to do what I've been doing and like I say trust, get a deal done, and it's not up to me is nothing I can control, so there's always always total little kick control which you control, if I can control what I can control. Could be. Taken Care of? Pick in two thousand, Seventeen Jones's sent to make almost two point two million dollars. This season also chase. Elliott won the Rain Delayed Cup series race in Charlotte last night, remember he he. Wrecked while trying to raise for the lead in Darlington last week, and a caution with two laps, remaining in Sunday's Coca Cola six hundred cost him victory there to Cambridge Maquette finish twenty third last night. There's another cup race, the fifth and fifteen days Sunday in Bristol. We'll have it live at one thirty on the big nine twenty and the Boston Marathon, which was scheduled from April rescheduled for April. Twentieth to September fourteenth has been canceled for the first time in its one hundred twenty four year history, but you can still run the race. Virtually. All you have to do is prove that you ran twenty six point two miles Steve, and you'll get your finisher's medal. I already did did this morning. Did you just before the show? Yeah, took a quick light yawn around midnight Why we? I. Thought you were watching. Cops did a little, little tired, but otherwise good I'm looking for my medal. Hey, what's the actual? What's the art Ross Trophy Steve. Is for the top defensemen in the NHL now. The leading score in the national hockey law that no one at this year it's it's. It's a shared trophy between. No Guy from Boston. That's the rocket Rashard trophy for the leading all scores Yeah. Polls in Michigan Leading Art Ross. Art Ross is scoring points includes assists Leon, dry seidel. Dry Seidel. I'd get passed by. A. T, L, I'm not a play by play man for one hockey. Her. Embarrass me thanks pose now. We're GONNA have to hear about this all show. Shoot one hundred. On your beer, the I embarrassed myself on the on the late in the week. Yeah, right, I'll fall in the lake somewhere or a pond on a golf course today I home. Cooler upon would be. Who wins the to cough every award every year in College Football? The Best Wide Receiver. Can you spell bulletin kosher. He and I and you go away. There's spell it. I post thanks, buddy weekend, they go. A little impromptu quiz off their. Was Good. Okay. All right coming up. What's trending brought to you by best electric? Josh what he got well Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson found out. He has an adult daughter plus. A California man broke into a bank and not to take money. I'll tell you why. All all that plus John Krasinski backpedaling over his some good news sellout. That's next. Don't go away. 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Fills, the dad, who's the normal looking Guy Kinda roly-poly, big, thick beard, like a big beards, but yeah yeah are no. WHO's the patriarch? Who's the old man Robertson? That's. All, it is yeah, so the old man had an affair, and now they've found out what so he apparently had a fair had an affair back in the seventies. and. They. Found out this woman reached out to him and said I think you might be my dad. And A. Long Beard or what? Except it wasn't her beard. No. She had the duck dynasty. Just wasn't up there. Gusting AC. Have a good weekend, everybody. I'm sorry. fastballs out over the plate I. Hack on those I swing on those all right. Go ahead, so. She sent a letter to fell. and. He originally ignored it based on her age, saying that at that point he had found. Jesus wasn't. A lander like he had been in the past blah, blah, after doing a little bit more research into his own life. He found that that could be right on the found later Jesus right. Jesus right after we found a sweet piece of swamp. So he he agreed to do the DNA test. Sweet piece and it said that the. According to the DNA test. Ninety nine point nine percent match to the forty five year old woman. Isn't that crazy. Can you imagine if you didn't know who your dad was ended up being? Phil Robertson just being like she's like I. could have been a TV star. I got one thing to say man. Louisiana y'all. Piece a swamp thing. We look forward to the emails. dayline central park central part Karen is not just central Park Karen. She's Cray Cray Karen. There's member. Yeah. Please! Pretty. please. Please please call the count. So Amy Cooper who is now out of a job, lost her dog and I'm sure very on edge emotionally. Apparently according to the New York Post once sued. Her lover for sixty five thousand dollars because she claims he cheated her out of paying back the money. Amy Cooper had a romantic relationship with the Wall Street. For four years, the Dude said I'm leaving my wife. We're GONNA be together. Tell me if you've heard that story before. Not as first time, it's interesting what can happen tale as old as time has? The song goes right in Disney. Yes, that's right. Anyway, so he's like Yeah Babe. I'M GONNA leave. My wife and we're going to be cool. She didn't know that he was still living with his wife while they were together. He then get involved. He gets involved with another woman. Then uses central park. Karen to say I need to borrow some money to get out of my marriage with my wife. She loans him sixty five grand over the course of eight months. then. He tells central Florida Raider like yeah, so he's yes. Later a wall street trader got this crazy wellness. Do not very good at training. Sixty FI-. No, he's good at weasling money out of people, so he gets central park care and to give her sixty five ran over eight months. Advani drops the bomb that now I've got another side piece. I'm leaving my wife for her weird so so Central Park Cairns off, hell. No and she filed suit. He filed a countersuit. They end up, not even going to court because I, guess they both rely in about everything and the case went nowhere, but this is all on record this is. This is why this woman was in such sunk in place. At that moment, it's a pandemic. She's alone. She's crazy. She's been taking advantage of street traders. She's. Just attractive enough that some Wall Street guys give me like yeah I'll, I'll banger. But, not hot enough that he's GonNa actually his wife for her. She's no pieces who actually? Swamp thing so she ain't no sweetpea swamping I. Do feel a little bit sympathetic. American men threatening my life, please. Even that's totally racist by her I mean racist and evil and vile to say it that way, and to potentially call the cops on an innocent black man. I feel sorry for this woman. She's in a such a sunken place and crazy. As the day is long. Watch out, I would say that her dating profile probably should leave out all these incidents. Over this part of your life right right change your hair color. Change your hairstyle. Maybe get some plastic surgery. Where Weird Lady Gaga makeup, it'd be moved to Syracuse, yeah, or ames. Iowa something like that. Poor girl. What's trending Josh well? What's trending a California homeless man? Broke into a bank. But not to take the money not to rob the bank. No, he He needed to use the banks microwave to heat up his hot pockets. Unbelievable. I saw the punchline to this story when caught he said. Quote. It was worth it was worth it. Man I in for that hot pocket. You like if hot pockets if hot pockets, INC does not make that into a commercial. They're missing a huge opportunity. They've got parlay that saying. These hot pockets are so good. People will break into a bank to use their micro and one regret it one hundred percent one hundred percent, also this guy I mean. Pocket Bill with delicious pepperoni Pizza Chicken and Cheddar four ham and cheese in a crispy pocket. Breaking new tonight and you'RE WANNA. TASTY BITE! What are you GonNa, do hot pockets. And Lean pockets. Don't forget about the Lean Oh. Yeah, basically, HOT POCKETS ARE PIZZA PIE right? Yeah, they're the same encasing. Walking Pizza is yeah, right? It's hand pizzas what it is. It's portable hand pizza, and it's such the food of loser loners and a lazy junk food that I believe that was the food of Comic Book Guy In the Simpsons. Yes, OH, always mock! The kids wasn't the hot Paul. Yes, well, it was also the the joke that put Jim Gaffe on the map. What was Oh? Yeah, here I haven't. Got It okay. Yeah Comic Book Guy. which is always like huck put. On a menu and you go onto dinner i. what's The all the Caesar Salad and the? Tonight specials. We were CIBA's, which is broiled and we have a hot pocket. which is cooked in the dirty microwave? And that comes with the side of pet dog. Is your hot cold in the middle, it's frozen. But it can be served boiling lava hot. Burn my mouth. It'll destroy your. Everything will tastes like a rubber month. and been around that long like ten years I'm thinking that. was there some kind of marketing meeting again. About feel a pop. Darwood nasty meet. The sleeve thing. Dunk toilet. Hey. Let me. See if this Simpson's bite has. Next week mischief. Thinking Eight. Nine. He's eating peeps right now. comic, Book Guy Just One after another. Would hundred. If only the reader chicks went down this. Look at it, Comic Book Philo Calmly Eating. Candy like a Spaniard. To Shane. Stand, what is happening? All right What's trending? This sounds bad. A CNN reporter and his production team were arrested this morning in Minneapolis Nobler despite showing their media, badges and ID's. and. It just so happened that while they were covering the riots in Minneapolis. Another CNN crew was doing the same thing not for weight, not arrested. What's the difference? The crew that got arrested? was, black. Great. It's not a good luck. I, mean it is such a bad look. And I mean I feel for the citizens of Minneapolis. How? They're going to get their arms around this. When they going to get their arms around this, what can be done? What should be done? And now this off CNN is. CNN just said we've had gotten out ten months of programming since our black crew got arrested in a white grew did not wholly crap. Tighten up, Minnesota tighten up Josh. What's trending well? What's trending? crispy cream is bringing back chocolate glazed donuts, but just today. So you know how they have their original glaze, that's there you know go to. They're doing chocolate glazed be you can only get it today, so it's a chocolate donut with lasers regular with chocolate icing. Yes, that one it's A. DONUT, but instead of having their original, you know clear glaze, it's. Chocolate. Thin-, glaze. It's not as thick as a nice correct. Yet, but if you if? You if you're me and you love donuts, look out. You're going to crispy cream today. And finally John Krasinski is backpedaling. After people criticized him for selling out on his some good news network, which he started dern quarantine social media backlash got even worse when CBS news laid off fifty plus staffers. Apparently, he's got a sweet deal did Kozinski to be an executive producer hosted? Basically Jim from the office said it was insane. Having one of the big news programs in America CBS saying. They WANNA to make my thing. Part of their permanent news cycle said he had a lot of stuff planned, but couldn't do it all because he's got to get back to filming Jack Ryan and a bunch of other projects. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Sell Out, but what he wanted. Look okay so Chris since he's going to sell out a little thing. He started in quarantine what he wanted to do. Spike the thing and say no, don't do it. He's employing a bunch of other people in a new project. That's hopefully going to make money for the company. It's a it's a win win. You can't be all a jealous about his money. And Oh, by the way it was his idea. His idea he gets the rewards and other people get to work on the new show. Stop Your Bitch. Come, up, our number, two on a Friday, honestly I have no idea what's on tap for next hour. All I know is Katie. The command will talk to him otherwise we are wide open. The text line is open lot of good responses, their four, one, four, seven, nine, nine, one, nine, seven three. Don't worry. We'll think of something people. It's Friday where in a good mood and we are chugging toward the weekend. This is the steam savings show is a game now. Here is the say. Hey who's up for a good Damian Lillard Dan Orlovsky, feud. Dan Orlovsky on ESPN. Just seems like the nicest most gentle milquetoasts guy, but I guess he got caught up in the old hot. Take machine on ESPN. Maybe it was quarantined fatigue, but he didn't like the fact. That Damian Lillard. Little little little. Damian Lillard, bank you nailed it, I'm a professional talker Damian. Lillard said that if there was not a legit chance to make the playoffs, he didn't WanNA play. Yes, so apparently Dan Orlovsky on Thursdays. Get up! Ripped the Portland superstar for coming off as spoiled. And entitled Yes all know He. What we've experienced as a group of people over the last three months has taught us anything that are, there is no such thing as meaningless anymore. We can't take things for granted anymore, and there's a difference between have to get to endanger. Lillard would have the opportunity to get to play basketball again because there's people out there that have to do things. Frontline workers in nurses and doctors they. They have to go to work and they have to work more hours and get paid less because of what we're dealing with. MOMS have to go to work and BE TEACHERS NB mothers. They have to go do that. Kids at the grocery store. I'm going shopping yesterday. stew Leonard's here in Westport. There's sixteen year old cashiers that have to go to work so people like myself can go. Go Buy Food Dame Lillard the opportunity to get to play basketball again. And I would hope and challenge him in his mindset that the last few months has changed that and that he would take the opportunity to go and perform and go in competing. Get the opportunity to play basketball again because some people don't have a choice anymore. They have to go do things it is not an. An option so while I. I think doors, Dom, bring up some great points I struggle with sitting there going. How can you sit there and go? NOPE, I'm not gonNA play, but understand that there's people out there that don't have that choice that thing have to go to work and they have to go earn their money I struggled with sitting here and going. You don't come up as Somewhere. Spoiled entitled Brat by saying I'M NOT GONNA. Play Oh boy. There there's the were. There, Lillard got word of Said name-calling and fired back on twitter titled Spoiled Nf Watch Yo Mouth. My background, family and character couldn't be further from entitled and spoiled I said what I said Yep. Lillard basically didn't stop there bashing loss key for being a career backup in the NFL. Saying you sat out your whole career basically. Oh God this. This is what happens when you're eighty days. into quarantine eighty days into sports coming to a grinding halt. You're you're you're inflating these little things into big talking points that don't deserve more than two seconds of time. You're doing the same thing but I'm making a larger point about where we're at right now in this pandemic. The. This is the kind of thing, and there's certain flash points, and let's be honest. White, scrub quarterback black NBA superstar. Got To tread very lightly on that. Who is coming off injury on top of that right? You got to tread lightly, and you gotta go. You know those comments were disappointing I. If I was NBA Player, I'd kill to get back on the court specially to make some money into you know. Have some people give them something to watch and enjoy I just don't understand the mindset and boom, but you heard the bite from Orlowski ed to go minute and thirty eight on that because they're stirred batching Tho-. Yes, up strewn. Catch right and you think so. You think if if he didn't have to go that long. Would he not have said? The, last comment like man. This is really dumb. What I'm saying but I gotTA keep talking right. Dan Was Quick to backpedal off his comments writing back. No, you're right. I was wrong to use that phrase at the end. That's my bad. My comments start with saying I hope we all realise nothing is meaningless anymore. As about protecting loved ones. One hundred percent I shouldn't have said entitled. Brad, and that's on me and my bad. Now if you're GonNa say you ought oughta stick by it. Yeah, sounds like when he got done with that, his boss said I got fire you. That's right. We have sort of a problem here. Said, well I got them for you Bing Bang Bong. So these are the kind of things that are going to happen now is we are deep in the weeds of? What are we gonNA talk about. I can't go many more days talking about plans that might be plans things that could be voted on its every damn day. It's always shifting. The NBA apparently has a board of Governors conference call today. They don't expect to have a formal announcement today. In fact, they don't even expect a vote on anything today. They're going to talk about it. And then they're gonNA talk more over the weekend and maybe sometime early next week the NBA. We'll have a plan. It's just from my is. It's an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment that the premier league starting on June seventeenth. It's an embarrassment that Lalita is already up and running Bundesliga as well Nascar Golf. The NHL An ma they've all stood up and started a march. The Big Three are the big to the NBA and then I'll be now. They're the last ones to come around MLB. Training right now right now in Arizona and Florida. Right now they could've pushed ahead and said. Hey, you know what we want to be ahead of the curve on this. We want to be wherever we can be at the first possible opportunity to start spring training, so we can have a season they could be. The weekend Spring Training Right now in Florida and Arizona. You didn't didn't we? Saito ourselves when the Korean Baseball League started that that was going to be a great the model right a great jumping off point for the MLB okay well so the cream baseball. He's going to do it i. and if everything goes well, there than will see baseball. have. You seen anything bad happen. No the Korean Baseball League. They were GONNA start reintroducing fans, and then they had a few a little bit of an uptick in cases, and they said okay. We're going to hold off on that. Here's the dynamic, but we're not. We're not even fighting for fans. We're fighting that there should be. Baseball's. I know I know. Here's the thing though about countries like Korea and Australia that have managed to get really really low case counts you then become hostage that super low number. You become addicted to your number being so low. So you then go, we only had like one hundred cases and now that spiked. To two hundred cases. I'll. Know fans now. You're talking to country of fifty eight million people or something like that. You get the case number so low. You're like addicted like. I can almost like somebody who has so ocd that their room has to be perfect all this pencils out of place. We gotta do this. Anyone. was read anything about the nature of this particular virus knows that it spreads. It's everywhere. It's GonNa go everywhere. Thankfully, it's not that lethal at all. And there's nothing to stop it. There's nothing you can do to stop it. My. My opinion is simply the only number that matters is hospital capacity. As long as that is where it should be insufficient, there's really nothing else that can be done and nothing else. That should be done. Because you're just going to continue to punch yourself in the economic nuts over and over and over again obsessing about this, the whole point of locking down and shutting down was. To preserve. Access hospital capacity to handle the cases that was it. And now were and what we're in right now. State! Fairs canceled I've I'm surprised. I'm looking at our poll question here. I've never seen a usually within the first hundred votes. I know which way the polls going go. And this is unique in that. We have an answer that's rallying. Needlessly scared I. said the question is how would you describe the cancellation of the Wisconsin State? Fair a needlessly scared be a little premature. See A no-brainer prudent no-brainer had been leading by twelve percentage points turn. We first launched. It is now trailing by a tenth of a percent. Needlessly scared is up at thirty five percent. That's interesting to me. There's a lot of bats that are jumping in there. I think it just proves how. Everyone doesn't know. Everyone's like. I don't know. I mean every time I saw a ton of people just couldn't even comment yesterday if they were. Good good with the decision. They were just so upset that there was another thing. That wasn't going to happen. Yeah Yeah. There's definitely two camps of people. I think there's multiple camps there's there's a camp of people that say you know what I've looked at the numbers of assess the general risk I'm not worried I wanNA live life. Life is precious. You can dive a lot of things. Let's go. And there's economic ruin. That's happening all around us. The other camp is like no. I'm scared. We still don't know a lot. You know I think we should be cautious. We just gotTa sit tight for a couple more months. This'll be over. Let's be prudent Blah Blah Blah if it saves one's life and then there's. Sort of operatives in between the two that are trying to gain this for political angles for a political edge, and so they're trying to game the emotions on both sides. It's not fun. It's not fun. There's a lot of stuff though that's going on still in Wisconsin this weekend. Getting a lot of text right now, the text line, four, one, four, seven, nine, nine, one, nine, seven, three. How about that things to do this weekend? Send them in. People. Send pictures of Let's see. P. Walkie Lake sunset grill newly remodeled. Come on come. On looks glorious. A love it, so there's one place to go this weekend. What else can you do this weekend? What are the events going on? Golf courses. Open should be loving weakened on the golf course now. And I'll tell you a lot of those restaurants that you were supporting during the first. Month or so of the pandemic. You go and you visit them now. You'RE GONNA see a lot of newly remodeled places because a lot of them took the opportunity to write update and it. They're gonNA. Look a lot different on the inside and in a good way. Jerry says having a Friday fishing segment. Dare, Guy A. Rumors are the Gills are slamming on the Minolta Mendota Lake Chain Jer ten inch blue G.'s all day long day, say. Plus a little bird told me the walleyes are running hard in the Wisconsin River and the. Pet, pet, and well flow edge. None on an NFL talk fishing I've semi retired from fishing. But I'm not anti fishing. In fact, I would love to go fishing sometime this summer. Let's do it Scofield on. How about the three of US idiots in a bout with with fishing poles and no clue as to what we're doing and a camera. I mean the great episode like on a fishing boat like a small standing as you cast fishing boat. There's no way that we did that. We you and I would make it. There's no way we'd be I just WANNA sit down. CIDER Mike says they still have not canceled. The Motley crue tour with Def Labrador Park August. I've leave which I have. A lot of money invested yeah. Don't tell my wife. They will now that you mentioned it. That's how it works way to go anthony. said he drove through Cedar Berg last night. They're playing softball at the main diamond. No masks, no social distancing. Good, old softball the American way exactly. Exactly has anyone stopped to think. How the chaos from trying to retrofit. A six foot and masked. Rule into everyday life is going to be. Has. Anyone, thought beyond just today or tomorrow like. How's this going to work going for no. It's almost like the impulse to do something to have good intentions and well. This will be a little safer. Never goes beyond step one to step two step three step four. NBA IN MLB. Don't WanNa play I'm at the point of not caring live I'm living find without sports. You'd better start working on that cooking. Show steed. Yeah. That's the thing see. There's a lot of people who are casual sports fans. Literally. Casual sports fans they come, and they go. They pick and choose one team maybe or one sport. And they listen to US and other sports talk. Radio shows maybe. Just because they like being part of the conversation. They don't need. The sports were in the different boat. Were you know this is our industry? But how all fishing? Why not go? Scott Dunk some worms baby. Them Blue Leeches worms as your Beta choice. Let me. Or Crawler Guy Anyway crawler or spinner jig. One of the to anyone who actually fishes just change the channel the second. You said Let's talk about Roller Don King. Worms, talking worms. Worms. I they're going to do. Is it GonNa? Show up with my with my Zebra, Co real and my bobber on the end. They bombers allowed I have I. Have My Mickey. Mouse Hold on no seriously. Bobbers. Okay here we go now. We're into on fish. Wait. The next thing. Out here we go our bobbers for chumps. Baba's are the iron tubes and iron covers. Get her engulf. There necessarily sign an immediate signed. You're not a real fishermen. You'RE A kid. You're a child really. Believe in Bobbers, bombers refined depending on what you're fishing for what you're using. Blue Gills I. If you're using lure, you're not gonNA have a bobber. Any fishing where you're not actively trolling for the fish, you're just drowning worms and sitting there waiting for the Bobber to go. Right and you're focusing more on drinking. which is my type of fishing? We'll talk fishing. Why not? We'll wrap it up. Next is in this hour as well. Keep them texts coming, four, one, four, seven, nine, nine, one, nine, seven, three on the wwl dot, com, talk and text line. 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Is apparently making sure that the callers agree with his take before allowing them to come on air. No kidding has he turned down some caller I nobody I know. He said Oh, but you're you agree with me on the Bob Alright yeah hold on I'll put you on. Hold on. Yeah, yeah, that's how it works. Let's see and works a smart call screeners. Okay right all right, let's go. Let's go to Jerry. He's going to set a straight on bobbers jerry good morning sir. How're you? I'll get her. Josh how you know Hey! Good you. Not so bad all right so the bother. Well first of all I WANNA I wanNA start by saying this. You know Joshua. You're saying you standing on a boat. Casting all day long is a recipe for disaster and let me just tell you I think. They alluded to it a little bit earlier. There is a thing called late trilling, which is now. Completely legal in lakes where you basically throw a couple of like crank. Or bottom bouncing like Worm harnesses off the side of the boat. Crank. Some tunes pot around the lake like a pontoon and just crush beers all day long, yes. I. Like the sound of that now question, right. Yeah. That was illegal before. Yeah, only a couple of years ago. Right Jerry that they lost why? Why was it illegal? it had something to do with mosque's and and I think that's what it was was trying to control Lake you. There were certainly on other words. You could be so efficient at crushing the Muskie's that way. They didn't want everyone doing. Okay thanks wasn't a say in what the safety thing. No I don't think it was that I think it was more just. You know I don't know. All I know what you can do. You could I think it was about three years ago, maybe four years ago where they open it up to inland waters, and it's just a great way like if you get out in the morning, you cast or fish with like slip bobbers for Crappie blue. Gill in the morning past cast a little bit after that or for gas for northern you know, and then once it gets a little warm. Just start putting around the lake and you know watching the on tunes. party it up. If and while you have a couple inch hanging off the side. Yeah, it's it's great. It's it's a lot of fun. He I need to get back into fishing. I really. Do you know when I was growing up Jerry? Highschool ears my brother and I would fish the Potomac River in Virginia and we would go down. Like a mile hike through this. This little park that had a creek to hike down there and you go, and you wade into the Potomac and you would go for either you try. TRY FOR BASS, small mouth or large mouth. You'd settle for other Crappie and sunfish. Blue Hill whatever same species you get it, and then you could also if you wanted to. If you brought dough balls, you could fish for channel, catfish or steelheads. bullheads, I, think they call them, yeah. The channel Catfish bullheads kind of considered junk fish, and not very sporting, but the channel cats got really big, so if you wanted to catch a really big fish, you could do that and then and we would do that all the time and I was like so proficient back in the day, and the night became a golf nerd, but I gotta give them a fishing. Bonafides backup I've never fished for Muskie I've never fished for northern all. Johnson fish. Never, if you if you WANNA lesson in failure, pick up muskie fishing richmond. Is. It is mind numbing sometimes, but we were this past weekend. We were up on the Wisconsin River and we watched. A guy pulled like forty eight Muskie Outta the river. My wife got a big old catfish up to the side of the boat before it wrote her J. Gov. I can't can't Catholics. By wife got a catfish up to the boat before it ripped. Jiggle. Family Show Jerry easy now? Yes, can save seven thirty in the morning. So to the out, so why? Why are why is Musky so hard? Muskie. They're just picky and they will. They will trail I'm not really a musty fisherman. I will throw smaller. Muskie Bates out for big northern. But, first of all muskie fishing is ridiculously expensive like every single bay is like twenty five dollars a piece. You lose one. It's a kick in the nuts. But twenty five dollars. We gotta look at the things. They're like giant. Christmas tree ornaments some of them. Big Muskie Muskie who are gigantic, so then you need to have a Musky Rod, which is also three times as expensive as any other normal rod, huge Muskie Real, which is also expensive. And all that to knock catch a Muskie was nice, and all that to cast right. They call them sufficient thousand cash for a really good reason. So. But fish of a thousand asks. That's funny. It really is. It really is so. What are you? What do you fish for mainly? I really like fishing for Pike. and Bass but early season. It's Blue Gill crappy all day long, and you're sitting there. Freezing your boat and you're fishing with slip offers or efficient. Is with clip on Baba's. Or whatever for an for Blue Gill Crappie and you're. You're catching Blue Gill and crappy in order to clean them and eat them right. Heck! Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Yep Kid. Oriented I ain't cleaning. No fish that's. You don't want to a hands off now. No scale him. Well. There's actually my buddy's dad. Has This little machine? It's called the Tumbler. Re basically just the end of the fish in it is like drum, and it basically roles the fish around and de Scales it, and they got with a little little electronic knives where they get all the scales off, and you just pull him off, and you essentially just zip off the sides and then when you want to. Leave the skin on because there's no scales and when you want to try him up, all you have to do basically cuts a little ribcage part out, and then you just batterman. Try 'em up that that reminds me of skip from SNL. Back in the day called. The BASSA matic was a blender. and. Yes yeah right Dan ackroyd there. You go a rich and funding. Just send a picture of his fish catch. I love and we're now. Getting pictures again exited the Pella Dot. com, talk and text line. Four one four. Can you guys have a picture now? Yeah, right right I'm not gonNA let him get ahead of me. four four, says Ken somebody both the fishing nerd and the Gulf nerd I thought those were two parallel paths. That never crossed Oh. No, I think there are guys that are big into both a lot of tour. Players get her are also big fisherman, because opposite of golf. It's relaxing. It's not high pressure. It's decompressing kind of thing and there's a lot of like golf pros, if the especially in the area here if they've, there's bodies of water on the lake or on the golf, course at the end of the day, instead of going out play golf, they'll describe the rod and go try to snag some fish ponds or rivers at Border Golf, course, absolutely speaking of a fish on. We got a fish on here Josh, not creeks are charter can get you boys out on Lake Michigan for Salmon and trout troll all morning, slam, cocktails and fish. Go let's go l.. A.. G. Is the kids like to say. That'll be on the bobber on the barber front. Put it to rest Jerry. We. Go catch and release we caught and release them so the bobbers there to set your lures to a specific depth in the water, so some fish are higher or more shallow. Off Swimming fish in some are deeper swimming fish. It's SCI. Fi One five, absolutely more fishing talk, please and bowling. If you don't mind, got. We've got a guy who could have gone pro in bowling right here in the studio. I'd love to talk to. Dick blew out his ACL nope. At all with no, what not? That's what happened. No, that almost having to save. Yeah, that's right. Exactly Hey if this thing drones on much longer into the summer we will be a fishing and. Before you know it. All of that Fish Josh Saint. Wow look at that sharp looking fish. It's Lake Michigan there by the bathroom guessing so. or It's green screen well, look at Jerry's holy Crikey, that thing. All right, let's take a break. KB is in next the professor weekend wormholes, and whatever else is on his mind. You're listening to the number. One Bowling and fishing show in Greater Milwaukee the Steve Zaven Shell on the game. Looking for. It's time for Katie's life one. Oh, one the future! You really seems to. About what I have no advanced corners in survival. RECON that. Now he can't play with joy it on many levels I do. Laugh. The college. Now, say here's your professor. You hear him every day afternoon. Drive withdrew Olson but he is more than just that US edition frontman songwriter professor of marketing and viral content ideation, copywriting whatever the title is, he is the professor and run a of weekend wormholes. We love diving down. The World K before you get deepen. was you gotTa gives Xabi Your your guys is. which one you thrown out from yesterday? Thrown out okay pick one. Pizza, tacos, hamburgers or wings. You can never have one of those anymore ever and ever. is hamburger a cheeseburger. Yeah, okay, you get okay, you get whatever's on it. Yeah Yeah. Stuff to it. That see, that's where I was I was with Tacos you know overwhelmingly, people were jettisoning wings. I could not believe that that's a tragic mistake. They'll regret. That's a mistake they'll regret for the rest of their. Is I understand? Drew come up with such good mind benders. Eight mind benders things like. What would you rather have? Wait no lines ever again or go through every red light or no red lights, and like that's a genius either, or I never would have thought of that. Yeah, that that was drew I, had Would you rather BA guaranteed to make sixty thousand dollars a year every year for the rest of your life, or only make forty thousand dollars, but you could get fifty thousand dollars every time you beat yourself in the nose with a hammer. So much. A little bit of A. Between. I do these. Guys you guys subscribe to some service that writes these or you sit around in a storage closet, and just get baked to the moon, and our before the show, which one is because it now? One of the two ways very creative. We don't we don't. We don't really do macaroni game by the way we don't kick these. We don't kick these around. How do they just the you? Where do they? Do. They just Kinda who? You know. We had I've had them. You know which tell what you. If you had to get rid of to toews, which to tell, would they be? You know. Just stuff like that. The other good one was shorts or pants. You can only wear one. The rest of that was. You can only wear shorts or pants. TAGGART. Don't even know how to how. Yeah, we have enough shorts. You know what will happen. is every once in a while? Yeah, I went with I went with shorts as well 'cause I wouldn't and you have to live in your current climate. You know so. We get people that call in ago. Well, we're sure. To Zone in the where now you missing the spirit of what we're talking about now six just hit us and I've got a bunch of them that I've got written down that I. Think you know I think about. Would you rather for five million dollars? Would you rather be punched? Mike Tyson or kicked by Conor McGregor. Tyson trying to make a comeback. You know I, know I know he is twenty million dollars or something? They're going to offer them. How about this one here you guys can. Would you rather have one testicle or three? One. One for I got room for three. Okay, I don't want. I, don't WanNa, sleep and tight lists my pants every day. Probably one. Questions and now we just you know I've got a I've got a google. Doc where I just started writing these down things to. Would you rather have starring? Here's one, Josh jump on this. Would you rather have a starring role in Avatar? Tube, but you have to go comic cons every weekend. Or a small role in the next hit avengers movie, but never have to do any of it. This is easy. Yeah, the vendors movie yeah okay. But just it's like a walk through. It's just like you're not getting anything you say I'm in it, but. Here's one. Would you rather have your football team when a super bowl for the first time ever or have your city burned for thirty days in a row downtown riots I'm looking at you. Viking fans. There's you're either or by the way this is the ultimate clip that's making its way around the Internet today a CNN ON MSNBC reporter. WHO said in front of a burning building? It's mostly peaceful. I WANNA be clear and how I characterize. Mostly, a cast. Adding it is not. Generally speaking unruly fires have been started and and they're. Literally there is a two story inferno behind his head. This is Kim the two. Who Was it an animal? House K B. who starts screaming everybody. Remain Calm Bacon. Kevin Bacon Yeah Yeah I. WanNa be cleared how I characterize this. Mostly approach. It is not. It is not generally speaking unruly. Except for the two story fires, and the looting and everything else going on. While you know what I I'm just done with this world. I'm done I'm done I'm done. Okay. World there, there's there's two worlds. There's a world that when they see. A ace of diamonds flipped on the table. They'll call it an ace of diamonds. There's a word. Right there's a there's a world in which you flip an ace of diamonds, and they'll call it a queen of hearts, because they don't want to be offensive, and then they will just absolutely. Pound on you because you don't agree with them that it's the queen of hearts that is equating part now. It's what I'm used at once once. Once you can't call an ace of diamonds what it is when it's flipped over, you start. Everything starts to disintegrate. In terms of a society, if you can't agree on basic terms and facts and realities I don't know how you can call something peaceful if a building on fire literally behind your head on a standup shot on CNN but. This whole I can't okay I generally stay away from this stuff, but it has gotten so out of whack it. The logic has gotten so twisted that I can't. Even I can't even wrap my head around it. Because the the whole thing in the that happened in Minneapolis is absolutely disgusting, and it should have never gotten to. It should have never gotten to this point because. It was just lock them up tag. I mean I just end it right there. The guy's guilty. It's done it's over. Don't even get here, don't even? Here's what here's what here's what's crazy. Hold on. Apparently they said the the prosecutor's office said. There's another angle of the video. That may show a different story. And I said. How is that even possible? Okay there is that they say the reason. They haven't arrested and charged this cop with murder that I think. Ninety nine percent of society agrees with. They say there's another angle. I can't imagine that well. You know really if if they had arrested him and they had charged him, I think a lot of this unrest would have been spared not all of it, but a lot of it yeah, it probably would have, and we do live in a culture where it's presumed innocent right? You know so there you got to work. But right, you have right, but then look people get arrested and charged with things and then the. Up later all the time. Case of Oh. We're definitely arresting you in charging you and then we'll see if we dropped the charges later, but we gotta move now to do this. So I was. So I was I was watching this briefly. Okay, and it's just. I remember the fires in La. You know the whole Rodney King thing and watch that unfold okay so. I'm thinking about that and I. Kind of chuckled to myself as I. Watch this and please don't get upset with me, but it just kind of Sinica that I am I go no social distancing. And Get up this morning and I'm reading the news and this comes from. A press release by the Mayor's office in Minneapolis okay yesterday. Everything is burning every. You know. They're tearing apart targets. This is in the press release. The city of courage is everyone to exercise caution to stay safe while participating in demonstrations, including wearing masks and physical distancing as much as possible. It read okay story from the onion Kaby. reloads really like parody I. Know and you go really no, let's just is concerned about this. And then the other thing with you know and I told you I. Don't like to talk about you know. Whatever you know. But when I saw the Blasi, ever really liked to. We would like to avoid all this, but there's no. There's no way now because there's nothing else to talk about. In sports are still in the deep freezer for the most part. So this is all we're left with. Crazy testicles. Three testicles right, but. For me, it drives me crazy. Because there's so divisive, no can have an intelligent conversation, and then I see the thing from blasios that says one person per elevator in New York. York right buildings that have. Thousands of thousands and thousands of people eighty storey buildings, basically in which their elevators are massive elevators because he got a ferry, a lot of people up and down. Practical say right. It's impractical to say just walk up to seventy flights of stairs. You'll be fine. It's insane. I try I just. It's unworkable, but but he's the guy they elected. He's the guy they're happy to have that. New Yorkers have put in charge there as one great quote about democracy, a from somebody was democracy is the idea. Await. What was it again? Something about getting it good and hard look. They're getting their leadership. They deserve good heart in new. York City. There's nothing you can do. You just throw up your hands by the way. Here's your animal house clip of category. Mostly approach focused? It is not generally speaking unruly. Most. For, the most part. It's not an early for the most part with the exception of the fire behind me I. Undecided I understand the reasoning I. Understand why I understand the whole outrage. I understand it. AW, okay! What I don't understand saying. Remember to social distance. I wish there is what? I, wish there was a third political party called the logic cons. Oh, what's your political affiliation I'm a logicon? Oh No. I I to hear to logical rational understanding of the world and the policies that would be best from a logical standpoint. I'm a logic on I have a whole series of political ads that I. Did I don't know eight twelve years ago. Something like that where I'm in the common sense, party and so just tell everybody to just write me in for anything because I'm. I'm like I. have a picture holding my dog, which is like seventeen years old, and I just twist it and go you know my opponent would kill this dog. Because it's old. They allow you know and they you know he's not against. He has not come out against non-kill shelters. He would kill my dog. Do you want a person who would kill your dog? Twisting all those things assure you. Vote that right me in for anything your comment and I call it a common sense party of Johnny Friction. Counsel. John, Friedman wants to kill your dog. Don't unless that dog killer to city council. Say No, Rickman say no to is pooch killing. That's eight four by the Friends of Anderson. Council quickly before we go. Would you rather have your life story narrated by David, David, attenborough or Morgan Freeman. Morgan. Both very good but Morgan same. All right. Would you rather if you could have your life story narrated by Morgan Freeman, but also narrate the embarrassing parts of it and things. You don't want narrated like China Highschool and your parents barged into your room. You thought you were having private time. Magazine there we go, Hey, would you still take? Good narration of Your glory moments along with the low points. Nobody knew what Josh locked himself into route. Here's one. Would you rather have your life narrated by me or armed? Sorry? I going to be a silent movie. I'M GONNA. Go with that. I'd take. Hey, don't you guys? They're stealing our. Would you rather is either? You already took? Okay styles, is ours? Would you rather Wednesday as ours locked in? Yeah, where you? Stop Bad news is we took okay? Stop the good news is we've been to laze? We haven't done it in age. Okay, so it's SORTA dorm it right now on my toes. ABC's on fire this morning walking around testicles in shorts after getting kicked by McGregor with five million. Go. Can't have a good week. Get playing golf. There you go! Democracy is a theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard h. l.. That's my guy, H., L. Make, and that's the theory democracy as the concept, people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard. Roll getting a good and hard right now unfortunately. Carry on people. Grab move. Will. You know that walkup music well as ton. Talk some baseball. Paul Wagner joins us now. Brewers community relations former major. League Baseball flame thrower paint. Confuse her of batsmen. Good Morning. wags how we doing today brother! I love it. I love the adjectives and I love the fact that get her gave me a bat phone line I love this easy access. I got backbone Nice. Number very nice. Keep it closed. Don't publish it anywhere right. I mean Jean. Gaps out. I put it on Ebay already at my My I'm just waiting for my clicker to start putting Venema money or something in there. Before we go any further, do you know what today is in baseball terms for your anniversary? It's a very special day. Now! NOPE, you're not. It's asking the Jackpot Day. Four years ago to this day you had Terry Collins and Tom Hallion get into it over a attempted being ball by Noah syndergaard of Chase Utley that once clear behind his back all the way to the screen and erupted a big discussion. Have you heard this audio before? No I haven't. What treat you're gonNA, like this? Okay, so this was this was four years ago and this was after. This is the first meeting. The following season between the mets and dodgers after Utley had slid into and broken the leg of the. Tejada Ruben, Tejada in the playoffs so here it is, it's a jam packed city field high tensions first at bat for Utley and here comes the pitch. You'll hear it Wiz, right to the backstop. You can't do that. You're not not not situation and. This by the way was audio. That baseball didn't really want out. Halley apparently been miked up either for training purposes or some sort of in-house production that Major League baseball did and somebody got a hold of it and published it and it was like. Wow, this is great audio here so you're hearing Tom Hallion and the crew chief explain to Syndergaard that's it you're out and he's trying to argue his case and not very well. I say that ain't GonNa Happen. I'm asking the wrong time to do it. That's all. It is about satellite can happen. Are Jackpot. We don't do something. Jackpot, so he's explaining syndergaard cigars like yeah I kind of knew this is going to happen, but This is before now. You'RE GONNA. Hear Collins Start to come out of the dugout in the crowd. We'll tell you when he starting to come in and. Okay the situation of what happened and everything else that's. Okay. Game Star. He'll comes into your deal, Hey! y'All everyb-. Everybody knows everybody knows what the situation back. Here are some scholars. Pick A. Terry Terry Terry Terry. Terry. Terry? Do you like the opening salvo wags Terry Collins. Sounds like high pitched. He's running out there. He's about five foot four. He doesn't know what to say. He doesn't know, but he knows at. The fans are going crazy and he's just at a high pitch peach. He knows he knows the standard heated baseball greeting you. That's what it is. That's good morning neighbor in baseball. Right when you're mad. You're in a fight you. Emerge from coming to America what he's on his balcony. Hand that's. Okay? Thank. To me, let me hear what I'm saying. Okay. You, just saw right there in the situation. That makes. Absolutely, no reason why we shouldn't have an wraps Mike miked up all the time well. Hey, when sports comes back without fans, we're going to hear more of these exchanges. What will not be as fun as the fact that you know? The fever pitch the boil of the stadium? You here is the back. You're right. That's the Real Electricity of Sports, and that's what we love were addicted to, but this this was funny and I just love the phrase. Our asses in the Jackpot I've never heard anyone used that before. Have you wax can number? But I. But I have heard Terry Collins. When Terry Collins when Terry gets excited and he gets upset and his his gray hair in his his face turns beet red, and he starts yelling, and he starts swearing, and you've got to put the seven cop the seven second cough button on him. He's crazy man. He's awesome. Yeah, that's wild stuff. All right so here we are on the brink of baseball. No baseball. I don't know where you stand optimistic. Pessimistic. Is this just pardoned negotiations? I mean hard lines are starting to be drawn wags. What do you make? Yeah I E. Every day we were saying the other day that it seems like every day is going to cost us three to four on the back end I don't know I i. really don't. I wasn't very optimistic in the beginning. When you take two heads and two two bosses, you got to boss man to health, as isn't working and management, ownership believes they are, they are high and mighty, and obviously the players union and us as players feel we have we. We feel we are. Negotiation I believe never started fairly I think it's now it's switching pandemic to yet to monetary type of beneficial some way to put in things into into protocol that Major League Baseball was always wanted and I hate to say it, but sometimes it looks like on the surface that maybe you're using this. This pandemic in and Covid nineteen is a way to negotiate never letting. Something go by without negotiate. The waste. Crisis Go to waste. It really boils down to WHO's GonNa take the hit. And the players argument is were already taken a hit because the season got cut in half. Although they WANNA play more games, they say we'll play one hundred games. That was sort of their soft counterproposal. y'All owners, the owners, meanwhile like look. We're GONNA. Lose money if we play because it's GONNA cost us this this and this two stage games minus the fans, which is a huge chunk of our revenue. Who knows if they're lying? They don't show their. Their books? Obviously, you know the players have asked for that for years, so it really comes down to a stalemate of WHO's GonNa, take the hit and the players argument. Is You own the business? It's a bad year. Take the hit because you've had good years in which you've exceeded expectations and you never cut us in on a bonus check after that. That's there are a nutshell, and it's a hard argument to go against right. Absolutely absolutely if you looked away the situation, that's why the CBA expiring after the two thousand twenty one season. It's going to be so big. This guys are playing. You see how it goes, or if you don't know this is what it is your property of that. Organization for six years before you can go wherever you want. And those first three years that you get to the big leagues, not even talking about which we can address later the minor league system, and how poorly minor league ballplayers paid and that's that's even common folk world. That's that's my presents your world that. It's disgusting. How poorly they are paid, and then you get to the big leagues and then for three years. The organization tells you how much they're going to pay. And then after three years of that, then you finally have to go in front of an arbitration board and those three people for the next three years. They're going to tell you which number they decide on so to become a free agent. After seven years, players and owners have never seen eye-to-eye and when you, it's bad, and it's sad when we see organizations like us here in Milwaukee where we. We want to see players. Stay here. We want to see how prince fielder stay here forever. They're not from here. So if you're not from a location locale, and you want someone to stay, you'd better treat them. Well and players just don't believe that owners are treating players fairly. Here's a portion of what s VP had seen as one big thing kind of siding with the players from last night. You have to couch anything. Relating jobs and people who are GonNa make millions of dollars doing those jobs with the understanding. Tens of millions of Americans have lost theirs as a result of the coronavirus pandemic. So if your response to me, saying I agree with Max. Scherzer and I'm on the players side in his face. Conversation is to regurgitate the unemployment numbers. I'm not going to have a good counter to that. They've been devastating. That's understood, but I can't imagine a scenario with someone who's asked to continue to do. His job would agree to do it for quarter on the dollar. Particularly when you have a contract states otherwise. How does that work? We just ignore what we agreed to I. Continue to do the work while you get to pay me massively less particularly after already agreed to a significant haircut march, but see this is where all anyone is going to be mad at the rich guy and say he's got enough money anyway, or he'll still make X. amount of dollars, but that's not the point, because it's X. minus seventy five said what is written on the contract and I am a big ticket player, and I have the gall to stand up for myself and asking how that makes sense that I'm the bad guy. Well, that's just how it's GonNa have to be. Guilty! Your thoughts. Scouted right, he hit it right on right on. Right on the head there you know and that's that's the part and we talked about this earlier the way it was proposed in the way it was set up with ownership I giving us an eighty page proposal that no players know player union reps had any any say in, and then coming back with a sixty seven sixty page on how we're going to deal with the health issues and stuff. You know what they don't work I. It's it's a hard pill to swallow as a as a player because there's no trust there and they they look upon the players as like you said before. We've said they're looking in ponds. They're replaceable at some time. Yeah, you know as I thought about it. I thought it in a way that go sheeting battles in baseball. Mirror the game itself. That baseball is a game right on the edge. It's a game of digging in. It's a game running the count to three two. And then fouling off six straight pitches or more with runners on base, where either the game's going to end or a team that's been trailing big as suddenly. GonNa take the League, it's it's high stakes. It's on the edge. It's why for all the years people said. Baseball's too slow. The new generation can't get with it. None of no baseball still survives thrives because it's an adrenaline edge game where there is no clock where anything can happen and it is, it is intense. It's the most intense of games as you well know, and so that he goes I think financially get that way as well and that's where we're at right now. Three to bases loaded bottom nine. Skip this out or get the hit whatever we're rooting for something. What an analogy now watch the players Union and watch US WE'RE GONNA call the Bullpen Donald Fears GonNa come running out and. Jim Ross, God. Donald. Cattle, night. He's been. Oh God God I miss. Baseball so much. You know just when I was listening to that clip of the ASS and the Jackpot you know. Territory Terry. Terry. Terry. Did. Get a handle on. Let's go. To how? Can you talk. GotTa. Get on your job. You know what you gotta give. To me. Let me hear what I'm saying. Saw Right there. Scott such good stuff. It'll be back eventually. It'll be back. It's just going to take a while, so we'll hang in there in the meantime, any plans for the weekend wags. Want to relax. We got some sunshine today. We were GONNA touch on fishing, so we're seeing how that fishing trips going to go at the end of August. Hopefully, that's still on. The boys over at the station can check on that but. We got to misinformation last weekend Memorial Day weekend we got misinformed by. Our famous weatherman here. All my reports said it was possibly going to rain, and it was the most beautiful weekend we've had in years. And I missed out on on building my as we talked earlier Wifi, receptionist. Beer can tower. Oh Nice okay well. Don't let a forecast change your plans. They are notoriously unreliable, so. As we. Bring bring a Parka bring an umbrella. You need to all right good to talk to you as always. Thanks brother. Talk and text line. Jumping right now. Appreciate all the texts a lot of fish pictures. We hooked into Josh a school of fish pictures here I love it. All Right I think today has been a great show. All things considered I wouldn't have thought that five minutes before the curtains open. I really would not have I think it's turned out. Okay? talkable cars next with our man Mike Dare. The. Bride? Thorough! down. The Wall. Lower, Walker. Estimates. Lack. Very close to the honorable, Richard J, Daley Plaza. Mukasa One of the great car chase scenes. In Movie History Blues Brother's Nineteen Eighty just Dan ackroyd and Jim Belushi. Faces all covered in soot, their sunglasses on trying to get down to the the Cook County. Commissioner's Office to get in their property taxes. We'll talk more about cars. Car Chases in just a second with our usual Friday guest, but first. Let me tell you about the darrow difference maker of the week. If you know somebody or have heard about somebody who is making a difference in. In the community that let us know about it. This ordinary hero will nominate them to win one hundred dollar Gift Card from the Russ Darrow Group. Go to the game. MK Dot Com and put in Keyword darrow difference and get them some recognition and a little bit of help financially for them, being such a great help to our friends and neighbors Nicole from Milwaukee has nominating Melissa. Melissa has a niche for helping people. Every day. She wakes up to do something to ensure. Someone is smiling currently. She has a case. Load of Milwaukee Seniors who are deeply impacted by covid nineteen, going from school to School for daily work in ensuring her current senior stay focused through the college initiative with the boys and girls clubs has been extremely heartbreaking, because of course, it was ripped right from them. Melissa works from home. She still finds creative ways to ensure the students stay on track. She's met students at their homes. All across Milwaukee and to help conduct business from the porch. She literally uses all avenues. Sure that students get the support they need. She's even allowed students to come utilize WIFI computers in her home. Because students don't have access to even finish up their coursework Melissa's always going above and beyond Kudos. Rei! Difference Maker all done thing of the week all right, let's talk. Westbound. It. Was Your car do? Like. Really Nice car. Nice car. DARROW! From the Rust era joins us now to talk cars on Friday good. Morning Mister Darah how you doing. Hey Good morning. Guys I'm doing all right today. Did. You Did you ever watch breaking bad? You know I I started a little late, but I did catch off and. Watch drought. Fantastic isn't it I? I started late two I started after the entire show was over Mike. If you can believe that for years, everyone's like yeah. That's late. But people had always been saying you gotTA. Watch breaking bad. I was like. Okay what are you recognize so good? Oh, my God bring it back. And then I finally started watching it and I got into all the details of the show. And I would notice how little things seemingly were put there for a reason to help further symbolize stuff and one of the things, and this is a story I've looked up regarding cars. Walter White's car. The Pontiac as tech. Probably not pontiacs best. Model Right Mike. I would say that that's a true statement. Car They. They make a lot of models in summer hit summer, Mrs but this website talks about the cars of breaking bad and what they mean, and they label the Aztec one of the most boring cars ever made, but one of the first vehicles established right in the pilot episode of Breaking Bad, it was chosen to pick the baby boomer, lame and pathetic side of Walter White. The Pontiac Aztec stood up as a beacon of failed dreams. I'll never forget Mike hearing like when when Walter White would close the door to as tech, it would always creek, and then close with like a tin can type slam? It just reeked pathetic. You Know Poor Guy, high school chemistry teacher, making no money. At he's just hating life. After. A good representation then having has Dak as as his car. Does do they still still move? The Aztec of the updated the Aztec since then. I don't think it exists. Ugly Car Holy Right Right. GMC PACER OF UGLY. Cars from back in the day. They talk about Jesse Pink. Men's Chevy Monte Carlo. which with its ridiculous hydraulic suspension system was exactly the kind of vehicle? A deadbeat drug dealer would probably be riding around in. That Monte Carlo Mike. Is a hell of a ride from the from the eighties I WANNA say. Yeah! You know that eighty seven, maybe or yeah, mid to late eighties Yeah, that was A. That was a standard great ride at the time. Yeah lots of horsepower behind it at everything else so the anti produced from July two thousand to August, two thousand five. It's last year was sold as two thousand seven somebody were sold worldwide in two thousand seven. Twelve and I was. GonNa say nine sixty nine. Sixty nine at I believe. Mike and his group sold sixty of those sixty nine. That good. I don't think we'RE NOT GONNA I'm not sure. Do you know what? Skyler White's car was jeep grand wagoneer. With the side paneling, the wooden side paneling Mike whatever happened to wooden side paneling on cars. Yeah so they WANNA way but so the jeep brand wagoneer, though is planning planning on making come back and ask vehicles That was a great ride it was you would just float in that baby and. You'd see a lot of those out in the mountains or or you know. That kind of area, but the wood paneling was a signature signature piece of that vehicle. Right and they and they're thinking about having make a comeback It is there's a there's a demand for that it well number one for cheap to make a bigger SUV not quite as big as the suburban, but something with that. You know third row seat. To get seven or eight passengers in the grand wagon ear that name that brand names still as it has a nice following so our plans. There are designs. I just don't know when it's going to be released and and. People talk about it all the time, so. Yeah is a lot of other cool cars in here from the show itself and Marie Traders Volkswagen beetle and Hank of jeep commander Kostava Frank Trove of Volvo V. Seventy which they said was perfect for the stone cold killer. You know the meth kingpin that he would of course be driving a Volvo right. Yeah they, they did a great job of match up the vehicles or the characters. That's for sure. Yeah so what in terms of product lines and cars are interesting amongst your various fifteen locations notable new interesting vehicles on the road era lots? Well Yeah I've mentioned before. They're all interesting ones that seller, the most interesting to me I'll tell you the this weekend is a good opportunity. It's kind of call it. A buyer's market, the calendars working in favor of people that are shopping or in the market right now because it's the end of the month and people always ask me. Hey, can I get a better deal at the end of the month and I always tell them the deals all month long, but we live on a month to month. Month cycle within the auto manufacturers, so they have incentives that all and at the end of every month, and in this case when the calendar month ends on a weekend, they carry it through to June. I saw these great incentives. Zero percent everything else go through the end of end of the day. Monday so as far as they are great cars there there. They're of them today. That's for sure. Good good I will get on down at the fifteen locations. Do you have any plans yourself for the weekend like? Off Well, what is to make sure we have a good weekend. Businesswise. That's for sure I try to enjoy the the dry weather for the weekend. So that's always good. Maybe. maybe the white ball around again a little bit, so it's Then part of the routine every weekend. I'm. If, we get a fishing trip together. Will you come with us because we just want to be the most silly non fishing boat full of fishing? Let's do it loved to. Take. That way if we don't catch fish, we kit, we can blame it just on bad luck when you play golf and you play terrible. There's nobody to blame, but you so that's the one thing I like about fishing if there's the cooler on the boat or good. Sounds good all right. Mike, good to talk to you as always thanks. Hey have a great weekend. Take Care Guys. There you go. Look at a car and driver right now I. Just found a wooden panel grand wagner. That's coming in twenty twenty one. Get Out, yeah. Do you think there's any car right now? That is being produced. That has faux wood paneling because it's not real wood on the outside, it's just fake. So? Why. Why did anyone think that looked good job I don't. Look who who who got out of their car in the nineteen seventies took a step back and said man that looks sharp right there. A Lotta people. That's the thing. A lot of people said that in the seventy. Why does how a car looks to the individual matter? That's always gotten me because you're always. You're in the car, but you always care about what the outside of the car looks like I don't. I don't know first thing I do when it's time to get. A new sled is I've gotTa be if not in love with the exterior shape. I have to like nine tenths of it. I'll put up with like There's a little flair on the skirt I'm not wild about or there's a scoop here. I don't like the way it tails off there. It's gotTa look good, and it's the dumbest thing you know why. Because when your head is inside the car. You can't see it. and. Guess what you're buying a production vehicle thousands of other people. Have the exact same car. And then on top of that everyone else driving around, they don't give a crap. What your car looks like they're not. That's looking car. That guy's a real smart customer right there. I'm really jealous of him. What a good looking car and yet! That's what matters to me a lot. Are you sure they don't do that? Are you sure? About that maybe. Help just looking at the different categories forget the actual make and model. Here's the categories at car and driver research and shop new cars. Sedans SUV's crossovers Ev's and hybrid sports, cars, luxury cars, pickup, trucks, minivans, small cars, hatchback, station, wagons, coupes, convertibles, convertibles, and there's your categories. Dizzying all I know is to get the best deal possible. Go see my friend Mike Darrow at the dare any of the darrow difference groups there in Milwaukee Alright final segment coming up, and then we go five wide after that. The Game Music. It's a goal bobby brainer birds. Ho. Bobby how we doing what up? Everybody welcome to Friday. Sunshine and Wisconsin ask for anything more well I'm asking for some fun. Is this House full of fun? Fun House I love. It's the Fun House as we were always here to entertain to amuse distract. That's what we do here. And when it comes to my games, I have invented these games so that we can play them on the radio and we don't have to be social distance. We don't have to be in the same room when I say the word invented. What I actually mean is ripped off from another radio station. So I know about pick leaders I've played it fun house. Some a little bit in the dark about is fun house a different game from time to Time Fun House. encapsulating term lightly different games. Yes, yes. Get her and Josh have played a couple of the versions of Uncle Bob's funhouse games. These were developed when when we all got got shut in these these were all games that didn't necessarily have to do with sports. Some do involve sports, but but they're all things that Kinda get. Get your brain moving a little bit, but but they also make it look and say. What the heck was that and that's what today's game is because we're GONNA play craigslist prices right off. Okay. Here we go craigslist prices, right? This is guests the price. Of craigslist items see you already know the rule of hand he's. He knows he's good. How did you figure that out save? Wow. That's enough so. I will take a little bit of SAS from Human Morons not not. Was Him, not me. So, so what I've done is I. Have I've done some research I've perused. Southeast. Wisconsin actual ads on craigslist for items that are actually I sail you guys are GonNa. Have a clock thirty seconds on the clock, and this is the higher or lower bidding to try to get the actual price of the item. Now you guys are going to get two categories two shots each. We'll start with Josh because Josh knows how to play the game. And then we'll get her and then and then they'd pull it up the rear. The categories gentlemen are this fireman garden, bicycles, clothing, and accessories, collectables, musical instruments and sporting good. Joshua. Take a category I'll take collectibles Bob. collectibles. This is for sale new Berlin Josh. It's a rare twenty four by twenty four phone booth sign. I don't I don't even think you around these existed. It's a big metal blue. It's got the phone icon and says phone. Obviously, this guy just took a twelve hundred twenty inches by twenty inches twenty, four by twenty four. They used to be like at the top of the phone booth. double-sided in great shape, you can call Jack in New Berlin for this item of again not. Right Yeah I! Think I think he took a pliers or a screwdriver, and just said that's mine, so, but it's a collectible now. Josh, so the clock will start on your first bid go. Two Hundred Dollars Bob. Lower. One, fifty. Lower Oh, good ninety. Higher. One Twenty Lower. One hundred. Higher One. Higher. One fifteen, you got it. Josh. There you go, that was close to running out of time was. Hundred and fifteen dollars for that phone for for a piece of metal. Yeah, that's what he's asking why. We gotta get it right right? paid more than that for PAP signs. shocker audit. Sign is the thing you'd see on American pickers Oh. Yeah, I am. Go into someone's barn and like what about that phone booth signed? US Not for sale treasure. Yes, sure because I mean you know kind of interested in having it all right? What do you want for it? Or what? What? What what? We offer me for it? Fifty Bucks I was thinking four dollars. Made, one fifteen, one running sounds better. Mr Get her bicycles, sporting goods, musical instruments, clothing and accessories, firemen garden I'll take farm and Garden Bob Okay. If you say so, this is in Madison. It's a metal pig. It's okay. It's a large metal pig with patriotic ribbon. WHO AROUND ITS NECK? It's an excellent condition. The size is fifty three inches long by thirty inches high eighteen inches wide inside ideal. It's ideal for display what you're displaying your in your yard or garden. But this metal pig and Madison is for sale. All right get, are you start the clock on your first bid? Go One hundred dollars, Bob Higher two hundred dollars. Higher, three hundred dollars lower fifty. Lower to forty lower to thirty lower to twenty. Higher, twenty five. Now you on the pig, there you go, yes, sir, how two hundred twenty five dollar metal pig metal pig? tastic people are by the residents. What in the hell did they lie in the front yard I picked sporting goods Bob Sporting goods sporting midst Mr Zaban. This is in the sporting goods category in Fort Atkinson. It's duck and goose decoys. Not The real thing now now total these you twenty eight Mallard duck decoys, who five full body goose decoys, five loading goose decoys to magnum shells, three standard shells and two dozen Jenny Vein, silhouettes I have no idea what any of that means. They're all. That's a whole lake full of decoys right there. Yeah I mean if if you've got real, you know birds to actually show up I. Don't think you'd be able to tell which is which. It's two miles. Start my bidding at three hundred fifty dollars. Lowers eight. To fifty. Higher. Three zero three. Lower. To seventy five. Three hundred. You got it. You got all the geese got the whole flag. Three Hundred Bucks! All Right? Josh bicycles clothing and accessories musical instruments. Let's go bicycles. That's. Why play with your prize yet same? Joshua this is an available in Elm Grove Wisconsin. It's a tandem bike. Okay, and it's it's almost josh needs right you late. You and Julie together down. The Road Julian Jordan not him. Get it just you know. I'm up right now, so you could shut up, please thank you. Sorry continue. Just. It's an immaculate Coluna. Tandem bike for sale. It's been written once or twice Ole. They probably realized. Oh this sucks. They want to sell it. It's a seven speed tend to bike in perfect condition still has the little rubber did sold on the original whitewall tires. It's got digitals Josh. The chain hasn't even dirty this. That's another selling. Point No. No No, no, no scratches or dings in the paint, my wife and I are definitely not compatible with tandem bike, preferring to the our own. D think they could have figured that out before they bought this I mean. It's for Seattle. And it's yours. It's yours if you can nail the actual price on your first bid, go. Three hundred dollars. Lower two hundred dollars. Higher. To fifty. Lower? To twenty five. You got it. You Jordi on the tandem bike booms. In the market. As the market for a tandem bike. One I have that along with a phone booth sign. Everything you wanted. And you've got more. Than you ever had possession so not a Schnitzel though no, did saw. It's a digital dinner, clothing accessories or musical instruments musical instruments Bob Okay here we go from new Berlin Wisconsin. It's an excelsior I love. When they put the brand names. We would know like we would care. It's an excel SAR accordion. ooh, right? Number. One is an Seltzer New York accordion Jack in New Berlin this is. Just, describe it for you. This is like a nineteen forties. Nineteen fifties version looks like looks like an old radiator. Bright Verne Meisner what he used there. You go if that helps paint the picture. Okay. Start clock on your bed getter go three hundred dollars about higher, four hundred dollars higher, six hundred dollars come on. Lower five hundred dollars do it forever and lower four fifty. Yeah, now you got it. You own it okay, Nice Nice. Craigslist ads have such even numbered values. You know it's almost like they're just making it up out there for fifty, three, hundred, two fifty. GimMe what you can, there's haggling on craigslist. Right all. There's told I have stuff for sale that I haggle all the time just to get rid of it so okay, so you sell on craigslist frequently. Yes, Sir Okay had good experiences for the most had. In, fact, he's had experiences. Let's! Let's don't get what you want in life. You get experience. The key the key to selling is when you're meeting the buyer. You say I'll meet you at my local police station that way there's no shenanigans. So you're doing you're. Right in front of the cop shop there's camp. There's cameras there, so there's no Hanky Panky so We close it out with Mister Zaban. Accessories. Zayd these are a pair of women's ostrich boots food. You'll a great nose. I know or know. Amend size twelve. There is there's there's somewhat of the he'll. This is size five and a half so. I'll. Do it, but that's A. These are being sold in west, band. Beautiful. Beautiful brand new pair of size, five and a half ostrich-skin. Luchino Rossi boots. These and in case you're questioning at these are genuine ridge and they've never been. I'm guessing that the original price tag on that was three fifty and this person wants to get seventy five percent of it so I'm GonNa, go to seventy five lower. To Fifty? Lower. Two hundred lower. One fifty lower. One hundred dollars lower. Seventy five lower. Fifty lower. Twenty five tire. Forty. Lower. Thirty five. You got it at the Buzzer. Dollars. Wow thirty five dollars. What a deal! This must be some husband selling his wife's crap out of spite for low. Pair of brand new January. Ostrich boots late votes I think you're right, say because at the bottom of the added, says thanks for looking signed Joel. Yeah. y'All's trust dresser. Yeah, he's. He's all white crap in west, westbound. Yeah. You know what happened. Joel's woman ended up, shacked up with a firefighter and left him, and she left silver stuff behind Swedish trying to get what he can. He doesn't know what those boots are worth. Some late I don't take. Don't take those boots off hand and get yourself a steel star. There's another there's another cat when you go to the jewelry category on craigslist, and if you see an engagement ring. You know their stories their. Engagement rings, and sometimes sometimes the sellers will, they will explain what happened and other times. You can just read between the lines. All right very good. Bobby always a fun time in the Bob's Funhouse I love it any big plans for the weekend for you. I'm GonNa, take some turtle wax to my wood-paneled vehicle and. You just. I saw the picture. Let me tell you a quick story. Okay? When I was in college, my friend's father had an oldsmobile with the wood paneling, and it was starting to break down and I needed a car, and he said you want it. Hundred Bucks I gave him one hundred bucks. He gave him the title I drove to Oshkosh once it con. In the parking lot. The tow truck guy comes to take it away says I'll give you one hundred bucks for it, so I broke even. Ride I gotta right so. And I I a good and a nice nice. Weekend. I did. Bob Up there you go all right man the stuff on craigslist. I'm not opposed to selling crap on Ebay, but craigslist is a little bit too. I duNNo. To direct for me on craigslist. Popular. Are you on craigslist all the time selling or buying both? Yet when he cell plasma mostly things they steal from you. Missing Right now. A lot of stuff ought about it. was that other version of what was that other version of craigslist? Or maybe it was craigslist, didn't they used to? Didn't didn't ladies who pry the world's oldest profession used to advertise on craigslist. I think that's section exist. Yeah, didn't they? Did? They shut that down because it was sort of like? You really. All the DYSON. Well. You want to take a roll. The dice dyson life. Go find a girl on craigslist. Wasn't it like looking for a new coffee table willing to? Hang out with you something like that or a coffee. You've done this before. No, you're far hooligan. With coffee you're who can. Who can do? Five lied is next nine to noon with KUNA is on. Deck I hope the NBA Today makes real progress with whatever plan they have to come back and I hope they get chopped. Get cracking here and I hope baseball comes to their senses, and says you know what life is too short. Let's stop arguing about money and play a damn season this year. I hope both those things, but hope is not necessarily what we're all GONNA get. Thank you very much for listening today Madison you've got Dan Patrick Next? It's nine to noon with Kuhn right here in Milwaukee next week. Darrow Gift Card. We are now five. That? Dina Dude with Kuhn is lined up and ready to go. John Kuhn. Packer Legend and Brian Butch former Badger legend in his own mind with me and get her and Josh Well Boys I learned some things today I learned that bobbers are cool in fishing. The jeep. Grand wagoneer was a great ride. And I learned that. Even though there's a building on fire as CNN reporter will actually say well, it's mostly peaceful out here so I learned a lot today on the show. You know this is nice otherwise. There wasn't a lot of sports today. That a lot of sports, we played the ass in the Jackpot Bite. Because while we had nothing else to do. wags like that though is very funny. Good morning, boys how we doing. More. Good morning sounds like sounds like you guys had a heck of a show and you know what the bobbers being cooled thing. That's the only thing I can really disagree about 'cause if you're out here. Bob and I mean that's only for ice fishing the bottom. Oh! Talking. And setting your old and seven year old. Fishing and seven year on wrong wrong wrong. You can set the depth of your lure by using the bobber. That's the point of the bomber I get that, but just poor fishing. You gotta be able to troll correctly navigate. Get. Listen. Use Your use your weight's properly. You don't I mean on the currents in the weights. That's how you get. That's how you get the. Don't want your lure to the bottom of the water. You want it to be depending on what you're fishing for. You don't want at the bottom of the lake. Are you fishing at the shore? No I'm on a boat painel fish. Talk! Talk talking. Right Butch. Yeah fit good. John How many how many lures do you own? I mean how many hours do you want me to? I don't know how many than I don't I listen I attack walks. I can't predict how many are in their. I can't guess how many are in there. There's a decent amount I'd say Lors, good lawyers, and not just junk bait. I'd say probably fifty K. he knows more than you get sorry. Then what? Because he has more lures yet, your dumb. One percentage of NFL players fish on a regular basis. I'd probably spouting outdoorsy guys. There's probably good twenty thirty percent of the League Lineman I bet linemen fish all day right? A lot of Linemen Fisher- fisherman. About in basketball, but she. Our basketball players big fisherman. We're not going to smaller. Waller percentage, right? Some nice hip waders in the middle of ever fly fishing. I I'm all for that. Listen hip later fantastic. They really just go up to my knees. The equipment tone of for basketball players. Are, you guys aware of the story of. David price coming out of pocket for a thousand dollars for each minor league player in the dodgers system? That's a forty man roster. For the month of June I mean that's a nice pop right there. Forty grand right out of pocket to help out these minor leaguers, because there's been a minor league herge, a ton of them had been let go because of the pandemic. That's pretty big, have either won't you guys loaned money to a teammate? You'RE GONNA. Love this story one time I think I learned about seven hundred bucks to get one of my teammates out of jail. Any never paid me back so I was really ticked about that for a few years and kept texting them, and and call them and ask him for the money back and every time he'd pick up. We'd be cordial and as soon as I mentioned. I gotta go. Real quickly Outta here. Not stiffed on your seven hundred bucks to get a guy out of the cam at worst mate worse than that. His name was Richard Siegler linebacker force in Pittsburgh, and the the feds came and knocked. He came running into my apartment, slammed the door and said the feds are after me now virtually. He was one of these guys that you could really trust right like you definitely stand up guy and you're ready to just trust and listen to this guy. Not Really, so we look out the window like giggling inside. There's no way this guy is losing. As we look out the window and there about twenty blacked out, todd, who's just sitting outside the apartment building so good so my roommate. Just got in the bed covered up shut. The door acted like he was sleeping. I didn't know what else to do. It was like noon I got in the shower, turned on the shower, gotten shower, shut and lock that door about ten minutes go by. I hear the door get broken down and about five minutes after that. I get out of shower. My roommate gets out of bed. Richard Siegler is no longer to be found. Wow this would be. Richard Siegler, the current defensive line coach to the Portland State Vikings. Let me see. Let me let me look at him. Draft out of Oregon State in. The niners. Yep, how Wow! The fee and what are the FEDS WANNA for? well, apparently, because he was he he lived vaguely Vegas moonlighted in Vegas. He he was recruiting girls to go out there and dance. That's illegal to do across state lines. That's trying at seriously bad considered trafficking. Yeah, yeah, Butch, e ever loan a teammate money. Teammate Fifty Bucks one time to buy dinner I. Never got that back with A. Story differs really got steak and everything put up with butter on the stakes so. That's about it. That's about locks. Did you hear my doorbell rings. Thing. That's actually me looking for today. Box All. Look out the window Oh crap. The feds here lots of black suburbans in the driveway the. Time in your bedroom. And he was. How do you compete with that? You can't compete with that story. As it even goes well with that. Cooley once said he loan rex Grossman. Who is with the when he was with the redskins like fifty grand, because he had a bad weekend at the blackjack tables. What a casino in West Virginia. I, said you're crazy, I'm like. Did he pay it back? He goes yeah eventually, but it took longer than I was hoping ooh. I'm like yeah you. Secured money. This is the same Chris clearly that wouldn't pay up for fantasy football, seventy five bucks correct. That's Fred smoot friends moving out aureus deadbeat a fantasy league. He should be a pay upfront or don't play, Guy. Boy Isn't that the role though and fantasy leagues like especially if You pay you. Every game until you know until you actually pay up. Yeah, that would be one way to do it or you just have a league in which you say, pay pal. If you're in the key as always in life, whether it's a golf trip or a fantasy league coon is the have excess people that want in. As long as there's people. Knocking on the door that spurs everybody into action. If it looks like you're begging, somebody, hey, wanNA planner fantasy league. We need one more guy. They're just dead. Beat you for the money until the end of time. Yeah, yeah. I mean but who has these big fantasy leagues that everybody wants to get in. We're talking fantasy leagues here. We're not talking about you. Know some Special House party at the you know, win or something like that. You're talking about a fantasy league. How do you ensure that everybody? Because because if they don't get in your fantasy league, they can just have in this one I mean. There's a million fantasy leagues out there. Exactly. Here's a story. ex-stihler siegler accused of pimping remains share sign I heard. That's not easy. VIP It is definitely not easy. When I told you the story. Didn't you guys there was? A world. Came to my house, Paul Richards Sleet or out of my closet? And didn't mess anything up. There was I mean I don't know how they got. They broke down the door without breaking anything. It was amazing. Yeah I gotta find out what happened to the case. Obviously, it got resolved, or he did his time because he's currently the defensive line coach at Portland State so go figure all right. What's on the show today, fellas? With a quarter of the country being unemployed, what sport can we go without in Wisconsin? Assuming that that one gets bumped, you know, is it? The brewers is it the badgers Is it the packers or as the bucks? What sport can you go without twenty twenty? Think of. Yeah I was trying to think of like professional roller ball or something like that? Really don't care about core. Point. Four yet. It's twenty five percent right we're trying to make. We're trying to make a real sad comparison to what's going on in the world today. Sounds like three hours of radio. Nine KUNAS next everybody joy. Have a good week envoys put to you canal. Hook up by your digital device. I hate you being on the phone. It feels like you're not a full participant war on that all right boys tag. You're it I'm Outta. Here have a great weekend. We'll see him on.

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Humble Yourself- Dan Orlovsky

That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

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Humble Yourself- Dan Orlovsky

"That's what she said. That's what she said. That's what she said what she says. Well, that's what she said. Welcome to. That's what she said conversations with interesting people from the world of sports music, comedy and more talking about their lives. Careers successes and failures. In the latest edition of that's what she said with Sarah Spain this week's guest, Dan, Orlovsky and ESPN analyst and former quarterback who played thirteen seasons in the NFL loved this conversation because we hear a lot about starting QB's. We hear about the life of the stars. But it was really cool to talk to somebody about what it's like to fight for a spot year after year what it's like to be a star at the high school and college level and then have to humble yourself into working towards a position at the pro level. The infamous moment of his life that he both regrets and learned from and a lot of good conversations in the speed round where I held his feet to the fire on lease favourite, teammate, and least favorite coach and all that stuff. So a great conversation with Dan. And I really hope you guys enjoy it. That's what she said. Happy to welcome in teammate on ESPN and former quarterback who played thirteen seasons in the NFL. Dan, Orlovsky drafted by the lions also played for the Texans colts bucks. And rams. And now, he dominates your social media and TV breaking down film. And trying to teach those of us who don't really know football a little bit more about the game. I'm so excited you came on because we hear a ton about the life of starting quarterbacks. And we see analysts all the time. But we don't really get behind the scenes on either. Either one backup quarterbacks or people who are actually breaking down the film and trying to make the game a little bit more accessible for those who didn't play it. So I'm super excited to chat, and I found out in our research for this that we have the same birthday. So we're both awesome. Woo. The birthday thing is incredible time. And boy, it's a it is a pleasure to be with you. And I'm looking forward to have some fun. Yeah. You are a couple of years younger than me. But we're both does. So I think that explains a lot about our incredible success. Let's go back to high school. You are starting quarterback as your sophomore year. You win a state championship was your life. As a Connecticut high school quarterback sort of the stereotypical, prom king. King big man on campus, kind of vibe certainly my own head. Yeah. You know, the town that I'd give Connecticut is not renowned for its high school football. But the town that I grew up in in the pocket of Connecticut that I grew up in his pretty big in high school football. It's kinda known as the valley, and there's some decent highschool football. They're certainly for the New England area. And so becoming the quarterback at my high school that I went to which was the public high school in town Shelton was a pretty big deal. Like, I said at my own head in my own accomplishment. And then to kind of have the three or stretch that we had and culminated with a state championship was when I was a kid. I was gosh. Like a ten year old an eleven year old. My dad was a coach on the team like an assistant coach type thing, and they went and won the state championship, Dan. And I was on the sideline as like a ballboy. And I remember it being like, oh, man. I wanna do that. Like, that's all I wanna do in. My life is go to play high school at Shelton. And win a state championship. So do. Yeah. It was it was a really cool in the moment. And certainly like I said like I thought I was the D coolest dude ever. There's something to be said for having a parent who's a coach, right and pushing you, and there are a lot of incredibly successful athletes who do have very involved parents. So there's times when I look back on my child at my parents didn't really care about sports, but they were supportive where I'm like wish they'd been like a little bit more into it. Because they might have you know, made me get a little bit crazier about it and be even more successful did that work out. Well for you for the most part having a dad who was a coach was stupor knowledgeable and into it. Or were there times when that was a conflict? Well, my dad actually stops coaching the high school when I got there out of like a whole, hey, I don't I don't wanna be just I don't wanna be the reason that people say that you maybe become the starting quarterback or whatnot. I'm just you know, walk away from it, which was cool in regards to like the pushing or the teaching orc ethic and all that stuff. I sit here now, and it certainly paid off in those moments. You I was we were very much the stereotypical like too much from the dad resistance from the sun. Like, I was really open to work. I was really open to learning about hard work and wanting to take it to the next level. It became a way on obsession of my dad's to impact their, you know, kinda impart that upon me, and then it became an obsession of mine the work ethic, and that was really like the differentiator for me. Honestly, I was never people. Sometimes like don't believe this in a way, but I was never like the the athletic kid. I was a good athlete where I could pick up baseball football basketball, golf club, whatever and hold my own, but I was super slow and super coordinated and super thick. And so that I had I had to like really the work ethic was a big deal for me to kind of change a lot of that. So it. It it certainly was one of the great things. My father taught me how far into your high school career where they're aspirated or a belief that you could compete at the college level. You know, probably mice back into my sophomore was when we made highlight tape incentive out the schools there. That's kind of ages you Inuit and bit highlight tape, right? Sent it out the school to respond pretty good. And we've sent it from, you know, kind of lower level schools to the big time big ten schools and some SEC schools in a C C schools, and they all sort of respond pretty good and game calls from coaches and letters and whatnot. That's why I was like, okay. I don't know how series this is. But it's pretty serious. And then I ended up going to my junior end up going to one of the Nike Clint camps like the traveling Nike camps around the country. And there was some bigger name guys there. It was at Penn State, and I remember going there and throwing it whatnot and walk wake on jacket throat with with with these guys if not better than all of them. So you end up choosing Yukon, according to the the research. I did it was because you wanted to kind of change the program versus going somewhere bigger, like Michigan state, take me through your mindset there because that's not, you know, usually, my my decision for Cleveland sports was wanting to be, you know, small fish big pond and push myself. It seems like you were more interested in maybe insuring starting position or ensuring that you would have a some sort of affect on the program itself. Yeah, there's a little more layers to it. So I'd have rigidly committed to Michigan state and was gonna go play. They're like really wanted to go play in the big ten and have the opportunity Yukon was the first school to recruit me, I grew to recruit me for school to come to an person for schools offer me scholarship, but at that time that the program was one AA football, and I didn't pay much attention to it. I wanted to go to Boston College in the absolute worst away that was my favorite team as a kid. They were the first off for me. Yukon wise, and I didn't pay much attention to them but committed to Michigan state, and then my senior my junior year five school about gosh. Almost three quarters of the way through the season. Michigan state had this kid named Jeff smoker that was playing as a true freshman, and he was lighting it up and I wanted to play early. But he was he was ripping it. And I was like dude, I don't wanna go there and sit for two years. I I wanna play early because and this gets as a true freshman playing really good. So I d- commit and within the next couple of weeks. I take a visit to Purdue. And I love Purdue drew Brees was my host on my visit. I loved it. And I came home after the weekend and it was a Monday morning. And I told my dad this was a Sunday night. But I told my dad on Sunday evening. Hey, I'm gonna commit to Purdue tomorrow morning. I'm let's call them. Tomorrow morning commit. I woke up and that morning news broke that Kyle Orton was committing to Purdue who's one of. The highly rated guys of my class top-five rivals rankings or whatnot on and I said, well, I'm not gonna go to do because they're getting Orton. And again, I wanted to kind of ensure really good chance to start early. So that we can I took a visit to Virginia loved it met. Shop was my host George Welch was the head coach sat in on Sunday morning with him. And he kept calling me math, not, Dan. And so I called my dad from the airport. I'm like, this guy doesn't even know my name. I'm not gonna go there though. I wanted to sort of short Boston College never ended up offering me. So I landed from Virginia, and I called my dad, I said, hey, I'm going to commit to uconn, and he was a gal no shot, and I got home. I got on the phone and I called coach, Ed so Randy. So it was that coach there. I said, hey oncoming, and he put me on speaker phone in the conference room for all the coaches. And I said, hey, I'm coming and my dad picked up the other line upstairs. And he's like, no, he's not. And he's like this is not happy. Opening this and that and he came running downstairs, and he said, you're not going. They're selling yourself short. You're scared of competition and whatnot. And you know, we didn't talk for like two weeks. And at the end of the day. I just told them like, listen, if if I'm what you thought you raised you gotta let me make this decision. Like you've got to trust that. And there was the peeling thing. Like, the the main reason why I wanted to go to uconn other. Those variables was our everyone thought it was crazy. No one thought it could get done. I kinda wanted to prove everybody wrong away. So it gave me the opportunity to play early. And and certainly be a part of the the program change in a way. But it was just more of like, no, everyone thought it was crazy. So that was the really big draw. And I like the the fact that jets it was kind of like trying to do something for everyone thought was impossible. So I was kind of a high school overachiever if everybody that I trust thought something was crazy. I would not have done. It is that an insight into your personality even back then. Oh, for sure I love like I just there. I don't know why. I'm just wired that way where it's like if you tell me that's impossible or that stupid or you'll never do it or whatnot. I it's going to get my full attention and effort for sure if it's sports so matter if it's anything like that. I mean, I four kids people probably think that's crazy. But yeah, that's kinda how I am. I love that. That's so fascinating. And probably speaks to your ability to play the position and lead others and everything else, you get to uconn. You know, you never know if if records have been updated, but according to the interwebs, which are never wrong you still have the school record for pass. Completions. Pass attempts yards passing touchdown passes interceptions. Total plays and total yards. Is that sound right? The interceptions one wrong problem. That's the one the only one that. Of course. Those are all accurate. Yeah. I mean, it's not there are some good players over the years. But nothing it's not a renowned quarterback quarterback providing program or building program. Don't sell yourself short. You're a tremendous. So so you're you're at uconn, and despite it not being a massive football program you end up getting drafted in the fifth round. Where did you expect to be drafted? If at all. Of the stories get great so going, you know, I had a really good junior college, and you know, going that off season, you know, throughout the year going into my senior, I was on bell Kuypers big board as high as like I wanna say somewhere in the low teens, and you know, talk of being a first round draft pick. I almost came out as junior whatnot. I go back and then throughout the senior senior, I have it. Okay. Senior season not as good as my junior one not bad, but you're still K. And so I had the chance to go to the the senior bowl. And I'm still on milk, hyper big board. I go to the senior bowl and within the first like forty eight hours of the week things aren't going good. Like, I'm not throwing it. Well, I'm not handling. Well, it's big deal. For me. I'm taking snaps from underneath center and take him seven step drops that I've never done before north Turner was our head coach, and I just don't perform I I have a bad week and one of the nights, I think it was like the second or third night of that scene. Bowl week, you know in the hotel. They have a players lounge set up where all these guys can gather again this is fifteen years ago, but all the guys the players can gather and spend time together, and I would not and I walk in. And it's a sportscenter special, and they you know, Mel is doing a piece from these senior bowl. Hey mail. What players stock has been hurt the most. And Mel just crushed me. I mean, crushing me and literally waiters readies. I walk, and it was like what is the clips movie where you like you would walk any back. Okay. This is awkward. I'll walk out records scratch. Yeah. Yeah. So you know, he was just like not not he'll never play in the NFL. He's not good enough. This is the story of the small school kid, and he's not good enough to be with the big boys and all that stuff. So super cold moment. But you know. Going into the draft. I honestly thought my agents had kinda told me anywhere from second to sixth round, which seemed to be a odd. Because I was like oh, so anywhere. I mean, essentially 'cause the round then the draft was still seven rounds. Then like it is now but broken up in the different timeframes. But I thought maybe second or third rounded and think fifth round I was in motion experience for me the draft and whatnot kind of a great day and a bitter day at the same time because it didn't work out the way wanted to. But, you know, fifth fifth round was certainly it was certainly later than I had expected. How do you process that in the moment, right because I think we all have athletic or even life experiences where in the end, we know the result is still positive, but the expectations may be temporary enthusiasm about it in that moment where you still able to be overwhelmed by this dream coming true. Or did it take some time to be able to adjust expectations? You know, it took time I didn't handle it. Well, like when when I was drafted the first round was just it was it was a two day experience rounds one two and three run Saturday four or five six and seven were on Sunday and so- Saturday starts and I'm expecting get drafted on Saturday was a whole thirteen fourteen fifteen our affair and the the back end of the third round. I had a couple of teams call me. Hey, the Seahawks actually called me and told me they were going to take me and they took David Greene lefty quarterback got a Georgia. Instead. But I remember that night the Broncos had the last pick of the third round. And they took Marie claret who had been a year off of football. And I remember seeing the pick happen taking my phone shattering against the wall. Because I was like, dude, I'm the kid who does everything right? I worked as hard as anyone has ever done at this other this and that and Clara was a kid who had some baggage off the field. And so I took it in. Personal wet shatter my phone against the wall and the motion all my dreams are shattered. All that stuff is the worst day of my life. And I wake up the next morning realize how stupid it was the shatter my phone figure out a way racers are expensive. Yeah. Away to get get your cellphone store. Get a new phone call my agent, both this and I end up going into the fifth round. Like, you had mentioned and like in the moment. I was still upset like getting the call. It was like kind of like. Oh, yeah. Great. And then within a couple of minutes of it kinda hanging up the phone call being over the emotion hits you, and I think a big thing. I try to get to cross the people to is like it's not just a one year thing or six month thing like a lot of us who get that draft. Call that's like a ten year work. A moment where like you've been working at it. For instance, you were ten eleven twelve years old, and it all all of a sudden culminates into a five minute phone call, and it's really emotional for you and your family, your friends kind of been a part of your journey, and it's it's not a short time friend. Yeah. Well, so venture you come around to the fact that you are now on a team, and you your dream has been realized and unlike a lot of other backup quarterbacks you got thrust into action, you know, right away first season in the NFL after Jeff Garcia got hurt. And then you played in a couple contests including Thanksgiving Day. So what's the pressure like four somebody who you know as a starter? You're of course, it's going to build build build in training camp and preseason until the season starts as a backup. You know? You never really know when your time is gonna come. And for was that your first start Thanksgiving Day. Or is that your first time in a regular season game? No my playing time I in a regular season game. I'm pretty sure my first playing time was against year hometown. I believe the fares. Right. Are you from Chicago? I am. Yeah. Against it. There's early on like week three weeks four Joey Harrington was our starter. And he struggled. I think he feel like five picks that day. And that was my first game action. I remember I threw a scene to ROY Williams in Mike Brown that the name the. Yeah. Really smart earlier one of my favorite players of all time. Yeah. Great player for you know, good five six seven year stretch, Mike Brown, absolutely laid out. And that was my first introduction to the NFL. Oh that ball's gotta get out a little sooner. But I played a bunch that year just because we were really bad team. Yeah. So and then so you you're you're you're starting your NFL career. You you understand that your backup? You're putting in the work, but you get in some time and then the next two seasons. You're third string otx seven no regular season. Snaps. What's that? Like because I think there is the long held joke of the best job in sports is a backup quarterback. You get paid you practice. You work out you hanging out with your buddies. You get to be an NFL player, but you never get hit. And you know, you don't have to worry about being criticized or not playing well, but what's it actually like, obviously if you made it that far, you're incredibly competitive and talented. Yeah. I mean, it's it's our. I try to I don't need to tell people all the greats about it. It's awesome. Right. I mean, you're in the NFL you make a great living. I think people get that conception. But it's all there's also parts of it that sucked just to be honest with you because you know, I there's fifty three guys on the team and for the m- majority of every single week. Everybody knows that there's a solid chance. They're gonna play like they're going to get on the field at some point. Whether it's special teams earn a backup roller starters in every week. I had to in backups have to understand. There's a solid chance. You're not gonna play yet. You still have to do the work. Like, you still have to get yourself ready? I had to do the same stuff as our starters. I had to study the same. If not more I had to watch the same tape if not more I had to practice at the same level if not greater because my window was so small, especially as a fifth round pick like my window for opportunity was going to come one time. And if I wasn't. Ready for that one time they were gonna go find some other fifth round pick. You know, it's and so it was hard. I tell people in a way you have to brainwash yourself. Like, you have to brainwash yourself to believe that what you're doing day after day after day after day for years, what some point pay off you go back to in a way being a high school cater a college kid with the dream of getting to the NFL and all the time and effort, you put in the weight room and the gym and the running into working out you believe that at some point that'll pay off. It's the same with the backup in a way. Where like you just have to brainwash yourself. Okay. It's wednesday. I have to do this. This this minutes to get ready to play. And then have you as you go six seven eight nine weeks in a row without playing. It's super super easy to fall into a all I don't have to do that. I don't have to I won't be have to be ready to play. But then the opportunity to play is gonna come. And you're going to be like, oh my goodness. I'm not ready to play. So. It's a big challenge. I that's why I know people laugh at like the dollars that guys get paid especially backup. Nowadays wise, this guy back up what it's a really really difficult thing to master in a way to be ready to play a game without being given the opportunity to be ready to play that game. So those two years taught me a lot we had Josh mccowan on our teams and as well. But at told me a lot about continuing to go through my preparation and being ready because the time was going to come for me to have the chance to get on the field. Yeah. You mentioned, you know, sometimes it seems like it's not a super necessary position on you look at a team like the eagles who back to back years have a guy like full who can step in and do that job at it completely changes their season. And then you look at other teams who lose their starter. And I mean, that's it. You just like the Niners, for instance, Jimmy G goes down. Everyone's like, well, we'll see him next year. Right. There's no, no even expectation of anything beyond. Let's. Build and work till next year. So you mentioned mccown, you know, he was in Chicago for a while. And he was a little bit of a quarterback whisperer for Jay Cutler as much as possible, which is to say not a lot. But he just he gets rave reviews everywhere he goes for being a great either backup or starter. Or just a good guy in the room. What what was your relationship with him? Like is. Is it everything that everyone makes it out to be? Oh, it's so the quantified I mean, Josh is one of the best people and teammates I've ever come across. Josh is an incredible way of. And I wish I was more like like when you talk with Josh his his attention and his thoughts are solely on your conversation. I wish I was more likely. He is totally invested in the moment with you. And he's got an incredibly selfless selfless way in thought process process about you hear all the time. Like, oh, this person never thinks himself or this person. Truly puts the interest of. There's about their as we say that about a lot of people, and it's probably not accurate Josh's like the imagery of it where he truly feels his greatest strength is when he's there to be a support to be a help to invest to give insight to encourage. That's where he feels he's at his absolute strength. And he believes that he's fully convinced that that's his that's his role. Like, that's why he's here is to do that for others, and whether you're competing with him for the backup quarterback job or you're the fourth receiver or backup detector like this dude invest so much of himself and everyone else, and you know, it's one of those guys where after you come across your so thankful 'cause you realize in a lot of ways transforms her life. You know, you mentioned the difficulty of of being prepared and being ready. And then all of a sudden, you gotta go to me, it probably very much depends on the person themselves, but for you, and I think enough time has probably past that, you know, you can say this honestly without fear of retribution or or anything else. But we're you hoping for an opportunity you never want your starting to be injured. But we're you hoping for a chance or were you one of the people who's fear sort of says, I'm comfortable here. If I never get thrust into action, I'll be able to stay comfortable. The great question. You know, I think early on you certainly wanted the opportunity to play 'cause that's what you were working for. And I had some friends who early on like got the chance to play. I mean, I was drafted the same year as Ryan Fitzpatrick. I remember fits you got to play as a rookie. And I was like wait fifties ball in as a rookie. But I didn't necessarily get the opportunity to play like that. Or then Matt Cassel got the chance to play early on good football team. And I was like to castle is playing on the patriots any light in the world on fire. Like, where's that opportunities? You kinda you kinda look at it with that. You point of like, where's my chance? Where's my opportunity? How come these guys got to it? And then a really a real thing. And I've talked about this happens is when you go and extended period of time at least for me. It was the case doubt becomes a very real thing. And you start to doubt yourself your abilities. Your came am. I good enough. Do I belong. I haven't played three. Here's like do. I am. I still the same player, and you have to very much so let control your mind and get to a point where I am still that guy. I you know, and I can still go play. And then, you know, the reality for the NFL is a lot of guys stroke with it with this weather during their career or post career a lot of guys struggled to accept their role there because every guy gets the NFL most guys except for like the ridiculously out talented once every guy gets there because of their belief that they're the best that they can do anything. They have this alpha dog, you know, I'll do anything mentality. And then you get to the NFL in sometimes your role gets defined as something else. Other than the star guys struggle with accepting that role in struggle with thinking that this guy is better, they're less, and you know, I got to a point probably in my. Just about my sixty years. So maybe where I got the chance to play in a play. Good in games and won some games. Then I thought free agency was gonna break me off and play me as pay me as a starter. And here was my chance like he was the time. I've been working for the NFL told me no like free agency told me. No, you're just the backup. And I had a I was at a very very much oughta crossroads like. Okay. Are you going to accept this role as a backup or you going kinda fight it like so many other guys have? And you know, I was fortunate to have the kind of the I guess if we want to call it maturity or whatnot to accept it and play for another six or seven years after that, you know, you had me thinking we've been talking in in Spain and sets in the radio show lately. And I've been sort of comparing what I saw from Jimmy Butler who was a low draft pick backup worked his way to a max contract superstar level and now has been a completely different guy. According to people in the locker room and has had issues that a couple of teams with Antonio Brown. Also, not a high pick hard hard worker impressed everybody with his want to and the now. Becomes a max player. Big money superstar and has issues with teammates, and coaches and everything else. What do you think is more difficult based on maybe your own experiences or looking at people around you being maybe a little bit more of an unassuming player who becomes a superstar and suddenly has to deal with the money and the big head and the eagle without having played that role at the high school and collegiate level as well. Because neither of those two guys were the man at the lower levels or the opposite where you're used to being your high school star your college star. And then you get humbled by the by the pros. I always think it's great, obviously, both are things to be proud of it away. But I always believe it's awesome. That you kinda self made in a way where you know, everyone has their doubters in and you were one of the people to kinda beat the Dow overcome the doubt, and and kind of proved to a lot of people in a really times to yourself that you are capable I say this a lot about the end of it. You've probably heard this. And it could be applied for all kinds of sports and whatnot is high say that the NFL and famous an incredible mistress, and you can fall in love with it quickly or over time, and it can destroy your life in a way. And we see it time and time and again with sports and players and athletes, and I'm not saying Jimmy Butler. The AB situations are that. But when you when you hear people talk about them from their time pass. And then where they are. Now. The only thing that has changed in those guy. Is lives. That is tangible is the fame and the dollars. And so I credit them for the -ccomplish credit them for getting there. But you just in a way you question. Okay. Who's around you who were you know, who's impacting your life to make sure this stuff doesn't happen type things. But I always say man, if you can go and become your own yourself made that that's an awesome awesome. Accomplishment. So you get your first start in two thousand eight against the Vikings and your stat line is great twelve. I mean good twelve twenty one one hundred and fifty yards a touchdown not turn overs. But this is when the infamous safety occurs, so including. Including in that game. Nothing. Nothing. So. Yeah. Accidents run out the back of your own end zone. You get a safety. You're sorta surprised in the moment until you realize, oh, man, I'm an idiot and that turns out to be the margin of victory. It's part of a winless season, which makes it all the all the worst. So like, you know, I have this Super Bowl thing in my past that I've talked about on the podcast before that at the time was well intended and actually well received. But now ten years eleven years later is only used by people on the internet to make me feel bad or because they're judging or they don't know the real story, and it gets really frustrating to me. And so recently when I saw it yet another person mentioned the safety chew on the internet. I was like oh my God. This is got to be so annoying for him. Because I know what it feels like thing with yours is it's a public event. I don't really know whether people think they're being clever, and they just don't realize everybody sends you that. Whereas with mine, I know they're intending to be like they're trying to be me. How do you react to that? Because I think you're very clever about making yourself the butt of the joke. Sometimes when it's when it's appropriate. And when it's when it's funny, but when people aren't creative or interesting in bringing it up does it ever get to you. Does it get to me? I think for like ninety eight percent of being the time. No, there's certainly times there, and they were just roll my eyes. And I'm like dude that plate doesn't make me dumb person or doesn't like take away for my -bility to tell you. What's happening like, so, you know, part of it is because you know, I played quarterback for my whole life. So you were in like the spotlight or the cameras and interviews or whatnot. So there was there was a tension or pressure on you from that early age. And there's always people who told you you stunk or that you suck. You're not good enough. Like there was always people commenting even before Twitter on on sidelines of games and whatnot. And then you know, I played for a long time. And so I've I've always I read because ports. I've always had people tell you that you saw. And so it's much more prevalent now that it's on Twitter. I look at it like this. If that is the the single worst moment for. Me. I'm okay. Like, hey, I try to get people. I don't try to get people to understand. But I like I look at it as okay made it to NFL one. I'm I'm in the top one percent ever. And then our played even smaller amount. And then I paid for decade. Plus and even smaller amount the very next week. We were on the road at Houston. Same situation. I've got the bone resort. Throw a ninety seven yarder to Calvin for touchdown. So I just looked at it as a really good opportunity for me to be honest about it and be like, yeah. That was really stupid that moment was really super. I know I'm not a stupid person. I believe that the fact that I played for another eight years after that or nine years apps that proves that. I'm not a stupid player. But I also laugh at it like, yeah, it was done. And it's a good opportunity for me to be like if someone watches that. And goes man, I like, Dan Orlovsky and what he says. And I think he's really bright. But meant that was that was a bad moment. But it doesn't let it define them or doesn't let it become who he was or he overcame it out want my kids to be able to look at it and be like this. We're gonna fall down and not get knocked down. You're gonna have adversity or whatnot. But you can overcome it. And like I again, I played for like nine years. I'm married to a beautiful girl with four awesome kids. Like if that is my real big flood in life. I'm totally cool with that. Right. I mean, again, it came as a professional quarterback in the NFL, which is in order to make that mistake. You already have to achieved so much to even be given the chance to make that mistake. It was part of a winless season though. What is that like and probably it's a different feeling for a backup than you know, the starter or the star to feel like they're a part of it or a baby a bigger contributor to the lack of success. But I'm there haven't been very many those. What is it actually feel like? Fee. I it feels like I kinda quiet to this. It's almost like every single day you wake up, and you're going to a wake, you know, when like we've all been to awake or the most of us have been to awake where someone passes away. And when you walk into the way to go pay your respects and whatnot. Like, no one wants to make eye contact. You don't wanna talk to anybody. This is a miserable experience. I just want to be in and out just to make sure that showed my face. And everyone knows I'm not that person or whatnot. You know, like you have those thoughts. Like, okay, that's what it was like going to work every single day. Like, it was this awful experience that you don't wish on anybody. Because you know, just like there's you can't take away the good things that you accomplish in your life. You can't take away the bad either. Like, you can't take that away. We have to own that our names or attached to it forever. And so it's a it's an awful awful time that you dread going and being a part of every single. Day. And so it's a challenge, and it was a challenge in the moment. And it's something that, you know, now that, you know, ten plus years removed from being a part of it, you know, to be honest with you in a way, I feel bad about it. Like, I I've publicly apologized the lions fans because I'm like, I bombed that I was a part of making them be a part of that like, you know. And so it was a it was a really really difficult experience. It's one of those where you get far removed from it. You learned a lot about yourself and your teammates and guys that were friends that are no longer friends guys that maybe weren't friends that became friends through it like you. It's a if you use it the right way, you can learn a lot from it, which I did awesome. That's great attitude for something that sucks, and that you will be reminded of by lions fans forever. Hey, everybody. Don't forget to go to ESPN. And apple podcasts and subscribe to. That's what she said was Sarah Spain. So you always have the latest episode. Don't forget to rate and review it as well until all your friends. How awesome it is going? Go presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event a chest of drawers, there's a storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in and watch romp com. Five minutes into the flick, a tree branch slams through the window. What are you hurt? I just gotta scratch on my chest. Your chest of drawers can't help you in a windstorm. But the Geico insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Co gyco to see our Ford -able homeowners insurance can be all right? She had a couple of good starts with the colts in twenty eleven you sign with the bucks in two thousand twelve and this I'm sort of fascinated by because I probably should but the the intricacies of NFL contracts are still. I'm still somewhat learning. The buck sign you to a two year contract in March the next year, they cut you. But then four days later, they resigned, you is that essentially them saying we don't want you at the price that we have you on. We're gonna cut you which formerly ends the contract. But we don't believe that you have a lot of other options and that you'll come back to us for less Modell. Yeah. I remember because you know, the first year I was with them. It was just being Josh Freeman as a quarterback. And Josh was coming off, you know, solid years and the first year that we were together like had a really good stretch of good ball. But he's that's when he started to have some off the field issues Josh had some team and he fought off the field. And so they had kind of expressed me like, listen, this was after the NFL kind of changed their quarterback role and all that stuff if they had said we're going to draft the kid relatively somewhat early and we wanna keep three, but we can't keep you as the third. As a potential third quarterback at your number. So we're gonna cut you. And we'll bring you back, and it was very much like, yeah. We know this is this is your probably your best option financially whatnot. So that's for sure you've got it right on the right on the dot. That's how it worked out. And they brought me back, and you know, it was an interesting year. So you didn't officially retire till twenty seventeen. During that stretch when you didn't have set gigs, and we rebound around was there a thought to go play. Elsewhere. Did you ever wanna play outside the NFL how much were you tied to the idea of I wanna play football till the wheels fall off versus as soon as the opportunities for the best. I can get kinda run out. I'm ready to move on. Yeah. I was listen I love football. And I I was a guy that loved the grind of it. Like I from an early age. That's what I talked about with my father and the work ethic. And I told myself when I fell out of love with the grind. That's when I was going to be done. I would not like a, hey, I'm just gonna play to the wheels fall off. I was never gonna play outside of the NFL would have never gone anywhere else to a different league in play. I was really like when this is done. This is done. I almost three tired in the summer of twenty fourteen. I had just gone through training camp wasn't fun anymore. I was back with. The lions, and I just wasn't performing it. The way I wanted to in my love for it really started to wane was coming off of years of being bought teams and all that stuff. And just I was getting to that point. And my wife talked me out of it. One night in training camp sitting on the couch. She would just you know, kind of made me question. Like, are you sure you wanna do that? Like, are you really ready for that all that she was supportive, but she, you know, opened my eyes up bunch of different questions with an end, and stuck it out and honest two thousand fourteen was one of my favorite years ever. But I was very comfortable being. I was very comfortable getting to the point where like all right when it's over. It's over like, I'm I don't need to call my agent twenty seven times to see if he's gone and update for team for a workout. I was never going to be the guy that okay here. You've got you're going to be one of seven guys to go out and have a workout with this team, and we're gonna pick for money type thing. So no when it was done, I was comfortable with it being done. It's a good feeling. I'm sure let's do a quick NFL speed Ron favourite teammate. Oh my goodness. Favorite team is probably Matthew Stafford, you know, we became really good friends was just with them recently. I think the thing that I admire about of the most is he's got an incredible ability to be the guy. Meaning he's the guy. He's one of the ten best in the world face of the franchise, multi, multimillionaire, and he's got the ability to be a guy where he's just chilling in the locker room shorts and tee shirts jeans and t shirt, let's go out hang out and have a bite to eat type guy. So he's probably one of my favorites. And then just the competitiveness that he's got inside of him is is really kind of second. And none of guys I've been across. That's awesome. It's good to hear especially for a guy. Who's obviously a ton of money and had success. But you know, keeps kind of not being able to achieve with that team in the way that a lot of people would hope who's your least favorite teammate. The question of the day. These favorite team. This is gonna take me a second to think through I'll say this Mike Williams, the receiver out at USC. We were drafted the same year. He was the big Mike wide receiver that Lee college football on fire. We were drafting in the same year a year after he had sitting out sat out and Mike was as talented and gifted as anybody. I'd come across. Yeah. But I do not do well with lazy. No a lot of pain. But I don't do well with lazy and Mike was so lazy. And it was one of those you hear the saying like you had the world by the balls or you, you know, everything every is presented to you on a platter. I'll hey, oh, you had to do is take it Mike was that guy. Like everything was there for him. And he just was too lazy to take it. And so for that reason that makes me I I don't. I'm I don't do. Well with that. Yeah. I can't stand that either. When you've got this incredible gift, I'm also the world's most competitive human. So I'm not lazy like playing darts at a bar. So I wouldn't be lazy. If I got the upper Todo to play at the high level, who's your favorite coach. I got to. I can't give you one one. Gary kubiak, your Kubeck is one of my all time favorites coupes, at this way, where he would ask you for nothing, but demand everything out of you one of these great speech givers, I I'll go play for this guy, anywhere anytime, totally changed. My viewpoint on the how important the quarterback was and how impactful it wasn't the organization and every day of that role was a big deal. And then Jim Caldwell in Detroit. Jim coach Colville story two thousand eleven like you mentioned we're playing I'm starting. We're not a great team. But we went to them games at the end. It's our last game of the year in Jacksonville. My wife gave birth to triplet boys on Tuesday of that week. And so I was home till Wednesday practice whatnot. We go play the game. I break my ankle. And do ligament Jim damage at half time. It's one of those like just tape it up. Right. Just tape it up and I'm gonna play. So we finished the game. I'm done on crutches. After the game. I'm walking to the airport. I fly home about three weeks later actually eighteen days later, Zik. Remember, exactly when I get a number from a call from a number that, I don't have my phone, and it's Tim Caldwell I go. Hey, what's up, and he goes, hey, it's coach Caldwell and I immediately think like, oh, he's gonna call me to ask me about ankle or asked me about football or whatnot. He goes, I just wanted to call and see how your wife and your kids were doing and for that reason like that's coach Caldwell, and they thirty seconds snippet. Like, he's an incredible incredible man and all time favorite of mine. That's awesome. At least favorite coach. On the spot. I'd probably say. Probably say, Greg Szanto junior. Because it seems that the NFL was not was not for him. You know, I really well and accomplished college coach, but. Did not get the NFL world did not get that you can treat everybody that was he no longer you dealing with just eighteen to twenty one year olds or something like that. We're dealing with twenty eight twenty nine thirty year olds. And you had to be able to just and it just didn't seem that. There was that in a way pliability to adjust with where not college that's needed. 'cause you're still shaping men in the NFL, you're not necessarily shaping men as much anymore as as many of them. And so that reason I'd probably say, my least favorite just because like couldn't adapt and be pliable to the situation. Yeah. I'm you know, I realize it's not always money and it happens in our industry to right where like some talent radio town who makes three million dollars reports to a boss who makes significantly last or a superstar diva player who makes millions and millions reports to coach make significantly less that balance is really hard and treating professional. Rich men like college players or amateurs is never going to work. It's not going to know why? I mean, guys, you know, a lot of a lot of the time. It's a about re just a respect thing. Like do. I respect you enough. Not to do it. I don't know if it's an ill mannered thing for some agents. But it's just the respect of handling your business in a way. And I get it because coaches are so reliant on their player's performance for their jobs. But that was something that was evident to be struggled with. Yeah. What is your least favorite exercise or drill? Running like doing inside run. We would call it or nine on seven wins or more like long long distance. No, this is like an actual drill in football practice where you have just draw -fensive line for defensive line for whole period of practice like twelve plays, and you would just hand the ball off. And you'd be like this brutal running that's an practicing. No, no. But my least favorite like workout type thing is anything to do with like upper body strength. I'm built like a twelve year old swimmer. So like my up I like to for me to get under a bench press as a kid was an embarrassing moment. Love to run on just because I'm weird like I want when I worked out, and I still like this now like I want to get to the point of of physical pain. All right. So I like I like pushing myself mentally when it comes to work out unless it has to do with the upper body. All right. So you're you retire and immediately know even towards the end before it officially retired that you wanted to get into broadcasting. Yeah. For the most part like I always thought about it. It was I think it'd be broadcasting coaching and whatnot. I wanted to have a job and not wired to sit at home. So I it was very much. So hi my list. And it was just I kinda missed this represented the opportunity like I was like, oh, there's so many avenues out there. Once I'm done playing. I'm a quarterback. I'll have people knock it on my door left. And right. And that wasn't the case. So I got him misinterpreted to how it would go. But yeah, I I always kinda had interested in doing it. And so did you reach out for advice from others? Did you did you get a significant amount of training for me SPN or how did the first debt, you know, couple efforts go? Yeah. No. I didn't really. So I went to the NFL's broadcast boot camp. And that was in two thousand fourteen I went to it. And then I went to it again in the spring of two thousand seventeen to eighteen actually. You know, I got done playing in two thousand seventeen thirty doing stuff on social media and breaking down plays and whatnot. And that kind of gathered some momentum that gave me opportunities to get some other networks and go do and just work for free and grind. And you know, every time I went on people that I respected or very complimentary, and they were complementary in a way like, I don't know your differently good at this. And so I went to broadcast boot camp in the spring of eighteen with one very clear goal. Like, I was going to go. I wasn't there to make friends. I wasn't there necessarily learn a ton. I was there to make it very clear that I was the best at it and someone needed to come get me man from after that that's when doors got open for me like ESPN called, and I had to go up there and meet with people in audition and NFL network offered and CBS came and that box came and whatnot. So that's kind of one of those things that springboard a little bit. And then getting on like. Thought about getting on some of those grind sessions where you had the opportunity to go to kind of show who you were and take advantage of it. And I didn't get a ton of training or or I didn't get any SPN. It was just like, hey, go, right. And and. Sometimes you know, they send people through a pretty rigorous amount. If they don't have natural affinity or if they're good, and they want them to take a massive step to be great one thing. It feels like former athletes have to choose pretty early on as analysts is do. I protect the people that I used to be or do I criticize with the knowledge that I have from being there. Right. And there's there's a middle ground for sure there are people who, you know, make make a habit of attacking. And then there are people who will never say anything bad. Right. So there's a middle ground. Did you have to make that decision consciously? Or is it more natural for you to just in the moment decide whether you want to offer up the hard truth or a little softened version. No, I think it's a little bit of both. You know, what this there? There's plenty of people out there in super negative all time put we talked about it with social media. There's plenty of people out there telling everybody how much everybody sucks, I'm not going to be that guy. Like, I'm never going to be that guy. My thing with this role that I'm in is like I want people to understand the game or have fun with learning. It more. I want people understand that listen there's Bill Belichick's great coach. But there's other great coaches. And Tom Brady's great player. But there's other great players in. My thing is getting people to understand a little bit better. So we don't have those and I'm not trying to take away people's fan experience or love. But like, we don't have the extremes where men this guy ethics stinks. Or this guy is the greatest player we've ever seen in our life. You know, trying to get people to be educated on it. And I have a lot of fun doing it. I have no issues being honest. I have no issues calling it like it is some people don't agree and all that stuff. But like, I wasn't never crossed the friendship barrier. I never will that if that I am never going to criticize somebody for who. They are might say, hey, this guy's not. Playing well or whatnot. But on never never never cross the friendship area. Because those are those are relationships that you know, dollar sign can replace now. How many of them do I have very little count on one hand? But on never cross that now, right? Yeah. And the issue there is know there's friendships, and then there's relationships and part of what you're hired for is your experiences in your your your perspective because of those so you have a situation like with Ryan Clark talking about Antonio Brown where people criticized Ryan, and he says, listen, man, I have a lot more. I could be sharing I'm sharing the tip of the iceberg because it's necessary for this conversation. That's a tough situation to be put in right where you have a lot of insight about a player their work ethic. There off the field issues anything else, and it's relevant and necessary to the conversation, but your tip toeing around it because there's this like code of conduct. Well, yeah, it's a great point. I actually texted Ryan after and I and I kinda just encouraged him because I saw. Couple of people go after about a couple plenty, my my my statement, or my thing that I would say to people is this if you wanna turn on ESPN and listen to people talk about football and give you inside about football. There's going to be two sides to the coin at time. And we can't sit there and rave about a guy and go man, listen, I've been in the locker room with this guy. He's as good of a team, it is you could ever get. I remember this one time where he did this this this and this, and we give that incite shirt of that and site, and then there's gonna be other times where we we share some stuff that we give inside of this. I'm telling you I've been around this guy. This is the key. This is what's happening here at this is the case, it can't just be a one-sided sharing of insight and just because you may not like it or just because you may not agree with it doesn't mean that it's inaccurate or over the line. I don't believe that Ryan said anything that. Attacked somebody. He just shared a story within a moment of about somebody. He didn't talk about somebody's a long standing character. He talked about a moment. And I believe that. Because if we're gonna do the other side of it there's going to be times, or I I I'm from I've played in Detroit people think that I'm just as Matt Stafford he'll never say anything negative about him guy. And I try to tell people like, no, no, I don't need to sit here and tell you guys at Matt's did not have to see him. He wanted to hear that it did not play as well as he wanted to not just going to tell you that. I don't I that's obvious. But I'm also gonna tell you why like why did happened, and you have to be honest about that as well. Yeah. For sure. And and I think there are people that you're gonna have a lot of good stories about is they're good person. And they work hard. You know what I mean? Is that right? That. Yeah. Gotta be. I it's gotta be okay. For me MIR shows that you don't like as well. Right. What's it like and one of my favorite things about Levy Tartus? He just you know, bears sort of the soul of of the reality of sports radio in analysis in a way that a lot of people don't want to they want to cover up for flaws. And I think it's safe to say there are a lot of people on radio and TV that don't know how to break down football. And I don't blame those of us who can't we didn't line up in it. I was never even given the chance to right. I mean, again, there there are girls that work their way onto a football team to kick or otherwise of it that was not an opportunity presented to me or that. I thought I could do so I've never lined up on a football field. It feels very different to me watching football than basketball where I was on a court for years of my life, and I understand the everyone's responsibility. So a lot of us don't overstep our bounds. If we aren't able to write we bring on the experts, and then we talk about the things we do know, there are certainly some people who decide to maybe. The overstep their their knowledge base. What does that feel like for somebody especially at a quarterback position who had to no more than probably anybody on the field in terms of breaking down offense and defense is being able to read the field? When you listen to the average kind of sports radio talk about football. Well, I I think they're both valuable. You know, I I wouldn't have a job. If there wasn't the people that just calling and sports radio and talking about football. Like, I I wouldn't be necessary. 'cause I you know, if anybody could do it, and then anybody could do it. There wouldn't be the I don't wanna say. But there wouldn't be the experienced analysts that can kind of give you layers in details. And so there I live in Philadelphia. And so everybody in Philadelphia, and I love the people of Philly my brother-in-law's on he thinks he knows more football than anybody in the history of the world. But that's what makes the sports. Great. That's what makes passionate fan base is great is that they are so invested. I there's a very fine balance between going like, no, you're an idiot or going. I get where you're coming from. But let me just holler to about this. Like, maybe spend it for you to understand it in this kind of like or did you? Extend it in this way. And that's something that I have a lot of fun doing. So I think there's parts that both are valuable, and there's when the biggest thing is like there are people who can have legit discussions like are there people that can actually go. You know, what you're right, I'm wrong. And then are we as people are paid to teach and talk about and give insight to are we mature in egotistical eagle this enough to go. Are you know, what as a fan? That's a good point. You bring up a good point. And maybe that vantage point changes the way, I look at it. Right. What's the end goal for you? What would be sort of like the dream broadcast gig world, dumb and. Yeah. I mean, the dream broadcast gig is is to be able to be doing one of the premier shows to premiere games every week. Whether it's a Monday night football Sunday night football. I don't ever want to not do one. I don't ever want to not do games or not do studio. I like them both. I love them both. And so I wanna have my hand at both of them. But yeah, for certainly be one of those guys that when you talk people for the majority. Learn people for the majority their ears Pika people from the Georgia at the time go I wanna listen to this guy saying and just have a ton of fun with it like. I have learned people wanna have fun like people watch sports to have fun. And they wanna they wanna learn there's no doubt about and there's pockets for that. But they also want to have fun. They wanna feel like you're part of that. You're you're with them on it. And so the dream is to be able to do that one of those one of those big shows. Do you still have any thoughts of coaching? Sure every day. I don't think that'll ever leave me. I thoroughly enjoy coaching every hundreds to thousands to however, many people are watching whatever's going on like I thoroughly enjoyed that on the biggest reason is for every coach that I've been around that it's worked out where they haven't had to move at ten times. And they're you know, they're home with their families. I know ninety nine don't have that. And for me, it the the time with my wife and kids is significantly greater than anything that that world can give me right now. And so I I really liked being a part of television. I really do. How old are your kids? Now, would you be able to coach them? Yeah. I do I we I coach him in baseball. I've seven-year-old triplet sons, and then I have a three year old daughter. So I don't I can't coach them in football, obviously. 'cause the fall time, but I coach coach this spring and summer stuff. That's triplet sons. Oh, God, this this just wait puberty and just the smells when when they're not already. We're already there. And there I go shoes. Go to do y'all stink dank, man. So I love it before. I let you go. You got to do the one thing that everybody does. But nobody expects and expect a kind of Spanish inquisition. Expects the Spanish inquisition. That's right. It's the speed round. Everybody. Does nobody expects number one? What's the natural talent? You wish you were gifted with. The ability to sing join the club, man. That's everyone's answer number two desert island album. You can only have one. Island. No your desert island album. It's an Albuquerque all around on a desert island. Yeah. Oh, stranded on desert island anything. Kenny Chesney interesting, okay off you could switch live with anyone for a day. Who would it be? I would say. The greatest chef in the world interests that are who that I don't necessarily who that is. But I would love to be able to cook them meal that bluefin people's minds. That's awesome. What's the favorite meal you've ever had something like that? My favorite meal ever is from ph rose in New York City, chicken farm. All right. Number four. What's the most scared? You've ever been. Oh my goodness. Most scared I've ever been. A little secret. I'm definitely afraid of the dark like dark and so most deadly. It must get ever been. It's probably like last night at ten pm. When I walked up the stairs. And it was dark on my how I mean, I do not get Dr at all. So what it's out. Exactly, I it says opportunities that we live in a weird world right now any any time. It's dark like pitch dark. I don't care where I am. I am in a very bad state. So it doesn't happen often to me because I will like whip out my cellphone mmediately put on the flashlight. Do you have just nightline's everywhere in the house? I don't both leave without lights on. So we have all gone. Television on there's always lights on doubt. Sorry. Sorry. People. Number five. What's the most embarrassing? You've ever been. Most embarrassed I've ever been. Minnesota plays. Not that far off. I think that's probably it. I mean, certainly there's probably been some situations with some girls in my past like college time where I did or said something that was stupid, but that's probably up there. What would you consider your biggest failure? Hasn't happened yet. My my biggest failure would be my biggest failure, the only big failure that I would ever think of as a big failure in my life would be if I failed as a husband or a dad other than that. I had failures are part of life. Everyone has them. So I can't quantify that because I think they're incredibly useful. Yeah. That's a lot of successful people say, which is good. I think if you if you get stuck in them, that's probably part of the reason that you can't, you know, move onto to other things number seven what habit or quality. Do you think is contributed most to your success? My work ethic obsession that detail and work at their polling cards of mine they've been since I was a kid, and they touch every facet of my life. It's good one. Have you ever been in a fistfight? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've been talking about now. Either. I got I got into a fist might fist by my freshman year of high school with the starting quarterback of our high school football team a handled it pretty good. And then I got to fistfight assumption college in Boston with a couple of buddies that were up up enjoying the college life. I guess if we want to call that, and I got whooped, but thankfully, my buddy who played linebacker went into a different world with his mind, and certainly had my back. Okay. Recent fistfight serve you put those in your past. No heck now, I know recent fistfights, I I haven't had the opportunity nor the knee or something to to justify good. Glad to hear it number nine. What's the thing about yourself you'd most like to improve? My consistency off the tee box in my golf game would be awesome playing from the grass is much much easier. And then. That really probably being more present be more in the moment in conversations with people, you know, 'cause so much going on at Ted and thinking forward, I'm a big picture thinker. And so maybe just you know, my wife is great at sporadic, and that's Braddock but spontaneous in ventures. I liked to be more consistent with that that. Yeah, that's hard for a lot of us, especially with technology now becoming more important to decide that you want to be president. And if you just force yourself for like, a half hour, not to be able to look at your phone and see how much you're aware of things around you and people and you see staff and you're like, oh, man. I never do this anymore and the bus that were alive before the cell phone had every piece of information on the planet on it. Like, we used to just be more aware of life. No doubt. No doubt. Number ten. What three words would you? Most hope people would use to describe you. Man of integrity. They don't have to be a statement. But I liked that one. It's very good. It's good. And then your bonus question who should I have on the podcast. Does it have to be an athlete? Nope. Can be anybody. Should you have on the podcast? I find it. I I love as an athlete. I love learning about people from other sports and kind of how they go about their sport. If you have the ability to get like one of the young hot golfers. Okay. Go on on your podcast. I think that'd be really cool because golf is a sport I love, but it is so transferable to life and those guys have to be so ridiculously mentally strong moment by moment. And so if you were able to get like, I mean, there's so many young stars right now foul or cameo champ. Or a Jason dry a lot. No speed. I mean that those that would be something I'd be fascinating. And just kind of how they. How they go about their life. Like, I play golf a I love golf and I love walking Gulf. But after I get done walking eighteen holes of golf that are for fun. I'm tired. Yes. Cats. Do it four days in a row with their livelihoods on the line? And so I'd be fascinated. Just how they go about it. Yeah. I completely agree. I haven't had any golfers. That's a good one. Hey, thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure. Oh, and another thing this week's that's what she read is actually like a full website, not one story. And this woman to nica Johnson spoke at an event for embark, which I'm on the board for serving under served, Chicago, high schoolers and giving them opportunities to learn about culture job opportunities and explorer, Chicago in ways that they might not outside of their neighborhood, and to Nico was at our event talking about something that she started called the folded map project where she takes address. Is on one side of Chicago and matches them to addresses on the same site on the same street on the other side of Chicago, north and south and shows the differences in neighborhoods opportunities and resources and then tries to introduce the people to connect to each other and share experiences and understand the city better. It's such a great idea and such a fascinating study. So I recommend going to you can just search folded map project or you can go to to nica Johnson's website, and kind of learn more about it because I think it's really noticeable in Chicago one of the most segregated cities in our country, but everywhere really the importance more now than ever of being less divided of understanding the experiences and perspectives of people different from us. And if it takes a kind of a creative project like this to get you to step outside your own neighborhood and meet people different from you. That's a great start. So again, it's called the folded map project. Check it out. And thanks as always for lasting about an hour with me. That's what she said.

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Big Suey: Bennifer 2021

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Big Suey: Bennifer 2021

"Welcome to the big city. A podcast exclusive off chemo. Thought the show could not be. More diluted gangsta mail no more free disney tricks now. Here's the marching band. Nowhere or mateen fact faces spa. It's been stress eating and habitual liars. You got scanty trusted. The big go radio would he. I don't know if you can relate to this. But i took like three journalism classes in college And i think the one that. I probably still use when i talk and think things is like an ethics class. I feel like it's important for people who do journalism to at least have some like background ethics and like what. What are the nose you know. There's certain things that like. I probably wouldn't have known for my first job unless i had actually learned in school. But that's about it. I felt a sense of guilt. I took it anyway. But i went to When inter miami announced their new sponsorship deal for their new stadium they had like Like hats that they made with the auto nation sponsor on it and like i was like is it bad form if i take this and then i took it anyway. Gave it to my dad but like you know like like i have like a journalism devil and angel on my shoulder that that i'm always kind of thinking about particularly when we're talking about skid marks dumb kid even even that stuff though gets outdated because i think they're such a blind between like entertainment and journalism now because thi e and you know no but i still have i still have like a guilty conscience about like you know for example like they want us to for the inter miami games. Like where inter miami gear when when we go and like when i see other journalists at the stadium like i feel like a sense of showing that. I'm like the shield for this team. That you're covering but i mean you're working for the team right. Well i mean. I am taking a paycheck from them. Shouldn't really be a problem. I don't like it. Where's your like lying like. Would you put a decal on your car of like interim i've actually i've actually gone so i have like inter miami magnet that like the put on the back of my car one time on his parked in an event and when i went to go cover something i like took it off my car and put it in my trunk like i'm putting on my journalist hat now and i cannot drive around with this magnet on the back of my car. Like a very weird kind of like set of values when it comes to stuff. So i have a similar thing. You're gonna laugh. Think this is ridiculous. But like i've looked at like the new marlins custom like license plates. I'm like man that looked so cool. Like i would get one of those on my car and i'm like but if i forgot to do something in a professional capacity i can't show up with that license plate on my car like i just can't do that. I will look ridiculous. Doing nobody ever sees your car made. I'd be more parking lay. How do you know exactly. There's some judgy nece. No doubt i listen. I got up and left before the reality shock. I said next to a journalist who was cheering for the spurs fucking piss me off never cheer in the press by frontier in the press. Go guys and i told the guy shut up and he got mad at me. Roy moore that it was like a breach of journalistic ethics or that. The heat were about to lose the finals and he was like cheer for the other team. It was definitely more of that like i. I was bitter that the or about the lose navy finals hundred percent. I meant it when we were talking when you when you brought up. When dan brown the fiesta bowl and just like covering crowded events. It just reminded me of when i was covering that that very finals. Nicholas like One of the games that the spurs one at the heat's arena and kawhi. Leonard was kind of like the player of the game. Koi leonard was show so shy that he didn't want to go into the podium the game so he insisted on doing it from the locker room. I don't know if you've ever been in the heat's visitor's locker room it is like the tiniest least kind of suited for professional athletes room that you've ever been in and so. He stood up against the like the coaching tactics. A whiteboard that had been scrubbed and like was listed there. And i shit you not two hundred people. Were trying to get this guy talking and so i like i got good position. I was like by corner. You know. you're an audio guy. You gotta get good position reached over whatever and this fucking guy comes over the top coming from like some eastern european outlet and fucking armpit is like here in my face and it's like women doing to get dry gas a wide leonard sound. What did he do there. None of this will ever be used in any capacity. Give a look to the guy. Do you kinda boxed them out basketball style. It's just like really you're really going to do and it's just like you're counting down the seconds until it's over right because he know kawhi leonard not gonna take any more than three minutes of questions so you're just like all right. I guess i gotta deal with us for three men often. Is there a little beef between little reporters like that No there's there's there's massive amounts of controversy when it comes to this because you have like for example Hold hold traverse. When he really mr j school that just i don't believe it. I chewed in the press box. One time. and that was the Dolphins patriots game. Oh yeah i mean that's also like one of those things where it's kind of permitted for like there's like a moratorium it's like you're you're reacting in a holy way not in like a. I'm happy this is happening way. Did you cheered you go. Because i'm sure there's lots of that. They don't know for sure. No actually i got yelled at by rave guy wants goes. I did like holy shit on like a one handed catch and some ravens journalists. Got super me. You did that entire right. Side of the press box ended up tearing in one of the patriots. Guys got pissed called into a radio station. I think we actually have the sound of that sport. Has i've mostly only covered college football an nfl football. So i don't know what the other leagues press boxes are light. But what sport do we think has the most purest press box presence. Like where if you cheer you will get the most glares baseball small baseball hundred percent baseball like they. They're protect the integrity of the of the press box and baseball. And we're like we're not even talking about a traditional baseball. I'm sure in saint louis that's dilettante level but in in in in yet no baseball has definitely the most up. its own. ask press box. You probably still type lawyers in their Probably out of al. No yeah the. Nfl would be next. I would say Call boxes very quiet. Yeah yeah the. The coolest one is is like the nba. Because like you're kind of like for the heat they set you up at the top of the one hundred level so you're kind of like in the bowl. It's loud enough for like if you wanted to cheer. You can cheer. No one would notice but Yeah i mean the the nba the most lax various spots within the arena to press boxes emerge to get the win the four hundred sections yet which is pretty quiet might as well be like the five hundred sections at the very top of the bowl. That's the way the press boxes. It's insane how high that press boxes but it's funny though because for hockey like the commentators preferred that way because you can see all the players better like they'd be wannabe. That high up. Like i think in brooklyn they had the the commentator set blower may hated it. Because i can't. I can't see anything. That's build for basketball. No brooklyn crisslow to answer your question. the contr the controversy. That happens in the locker. Room is is is down to the television cameras versus the radio and print journalists because the television cameras are trying to get their shot and so said if anyone gets in there tripod and then you get in that way right. Yeah and there. They've got they've got a clear alec a huge space. And like i got in so many taps on the shoulder like hey man. Can you lower your arm or something. Like that. And i'm trying to get good audio here and yeah it's there's there's a lot that goes on in terms of the jostling for position in the locker room and also like i i was i was kind of like by the end of kind of became. Like pro's pro go from lake. All right dwayne. Wade's can be here. Some stained by dwayne wade. I kind of knew the order that everyone came out. So i go from there and then i of have my position where i kinda cycle around the side. Get good position like i. I had my technique worked. I usually got some some good quality sound when i was in the heat locker room and get to the point. Where at us a selfie. Stick just to get the camera in my In front of the people not invoice cameras. Yeah there's a there's a lot of there's some technology from innovating that's happened in the in the space. A lot of people don't even have recorders elliott. Use your phone and voice. Memos and voice memo sounds awesome so Yeah it's it's a whole thing and yet we still have these scrums where you have to get up close to talk to someone like it just strikes me as so old fashioned that there hasn't been a way to make that and more pleasurable experience for the athletes. Don't like being crowded around at their lockers. Either journalists definitely don't like that there has to be a better way but they also don't like Those press conference tables where you're kind of sad. I mean that's the most comfortable way to do it but also like the locker room setting does allow for access. 'cause there's like the main session and then if you're in tight with someone. He kind of like little breakaway session k. Like every once in. A while. Like i would. I like to linger on chris. Bosh 'cause like people beyond the way to go to the press conference title lebron and they're talking to the other players. Sa- chris bosh. Would you like his six minutes. And then i linger be like me and like two other journalists and every once i got to like get if you get a few questions in was in college getting christianson unquote on chris. Bosh and it was great because he was like super nice gregarious. He legitimately answered. My questions is if someone worth respecting. Which i very much was not. Yeah you say controversy. Of course you're not so long roberson you understand what's wrong with that. As opposed to now qudos. I was so bad in those scrums. Like when i was interning channel four. They would send me as an intern with the camera. Go right ahead to hold the mic in the thing and they would like i'd be so passive and like far away because everybody's in there and the camera guy would just kind of pushed me to the front and he's like. We need to get this out for dolphins weekly or whatever it was that we react that they gotta do it then. He just likes shoved by grabber. Like push me to the front. And i'm like. I got just kind of push people out of the way all right. Don't put your hand on me. not i'm like you gotta get that sound. You have to be forceful environment. Where it's every man from the every man and woman for themselves and it's the most be as sound that were never going to use for any or it's so dumb of course but i mean you gotta you gotta get it 'cause because what if what if there's that moment where i think there was a. I think there's like a couple. That happened when i was there. There was one time where dwayne wade had to go with hassan. Whiteside and i was like what of four people for that That that was cool. I'd like oh my god moment is happening and it happens like once this season but you gotta get good stone for when that moment happens. Rendall langford was never really bring. You brendan so been. Got the good audio for the floyd did you see. I tweeted demings pro. Because as things are moving like his mic flag is like in the shot the entire time like he forcefully. Got that mike flag in there and next thing you know like and that's why they make those mike flags because if some video goes viral then all of a sudden you that microphone. It's in the shot and was in the middle of all the showtime video that they had like on. Espn the next day. It was just seven hundred. And i'm pretty sure it. If you listen to it that he was trying to get floyd's attention because you just kinda of hear what jake logan or whichever. Paula was coming over. You just hear some go over and over again. And i swear to god. I think that it was toby. Florida gays coming for you. Tobin was the one asking the questions. Like hey one night. He's like links escalated. He's trying to get in there with like follow ups. What crazy world professional boxes. So you could just go and start like a mini riot and there's no consequences. Were like just good build up. Its good build up for the event will also nothing was ever gonna happen there. And i think everybody knows it to got your. Let's take a second for our friends over at draftkings. I love telling you about draft cakes. I spend most of my free time. They're big names. Are headlining this weekend's. Ufc two sixty. Two guard from nate diaz to michael chandler. There will be no shortage of action in drafting sportsbook. The officials sports betting partner of you have has a heavyweight offer for this weekend's fight with one hundred to one aunt one fighter. We'll be walking away with the belt. Will you be walking away with the cash. I love cash. 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Eight hundred nine with yesterday told someone. I don't have the energy to keep up with bilas relationships anymore expression because someone was like did you see that. She's with ben affleck. I go i just. I don't have the energy to keep up with sales. Relationships anymore was hired. He looked like someone in the row of people getting a manicure at a salahuddin. This since i don't have time and he just run out of the energy for jails relationships. Okay we were by like seven marriages and now she's done and she may be going back to benesch. I wish the best for her. I hope she finds penis. But i can't keep up with j. Lo and ben affleck and if they did not go to montana on vacation together. I just can't right now right. Now's not the time. does it change. When you read the reports that they're chemistry's unreal right now benef- hurt so lots of benefit on dumont today by the way bill. That happened anywhere else where you're just tired of celebrity updates or their relationships for me. It was jennifer aniston like enough. I don't care get married over many covers. The did you see in publix. Why is it always the women that were saying. We were tired of this. I feel like it's so it's such a sexy trope. Why are we never like. Oh we're over. Alex dating dharma's like six months ago. Who is it like out jail. She's been engaged for time. No if it was supposed to be the it'd be the same thing i just. I don't have the energy for certain people and their public loving more okay. You lied to me too many times too many times. Both of you with all of your relationships. That have failed. That i thought was true. Look tori wilson a-rod. I was not billion. I'm going to save this bill. Yeah okay because as we're smart it. Aaron rodgers got married. I was. I was getting tired of him and his relationships e time. Not a big fan of his. You know. say hi to him. If you know what's going to be my friend it'd be a friend but wasn't annapolis trending like last week for some tiktok star like he said it's me. Did you guys see this gas. Where i don't know if that was a deepfake or not though i haven't i haven't followed up on that. But apparently he sent someone a video of hugh matched on ryo with some woman who's like a instagram model or something and sent her a video. Saying why did you match me. A she for some reason even though it's ri- and it's like a legit thing like she didn't believe it was actually ben affleck so she unmatched him and she sent him a video which is like a six second video of him just being like. It's me also because of your horrific bat back tattoo. Ben affleck okay like two dragons attacking other. That's why you're having trouble. That thing is absurd. He was thinking when he got that ridiculous. What is the way to prove your identity now. Because he used to take a picture with today's newspaper. But that's an outdated reference everything can be like technologically faked now or photoshop. Like you were to try and no really. it's me. how would you do that back in my day. People were who they said they were and catfish belonged in the water. You know what i mean. I do know what you mean. What's raya oh god. We don't say it's like a dating app. it's a dating but it's for people who are They're not like lay people like you. And i you know there will hang on a second. Hang on a second. There was once a dating service that i was made aware of four or five years ago. That was only for people with blue. Twitter checkmark good and when i got my twitter checkmark because i need to sign up for this nice signed up for and there was nobody on us. Enough of this is there. Is there a blue cortez's saying that there is a blue checkmark dating app. I mean that's basically what it is. Okay all right. Well then they get in this witty. Let's get you in raya amman. And he's to get someone to like give you a Invite though i think with who wants to know a guy voice of inter. Miami i mean. Of course you can get in riot dating app. Just get over yourself house. I feel like the riot scene in miami would probably be pretty lit of all the cities. You're probably right. How do you spell that jessica. It's ra y. a. r. a way host of chelsea might do. I feel like even though dance married. He could put a call in and get you in. Riot are focused at riazan to provide members with access to exciting people and opportunities around the world. We are a private company or people come to connect for dating networking and friendship. Perspective members may download the app and submit. An application was submitted. applications are placed in q. Reviewed continuously an applicant status can change from waitlisted to accepted at any time once accepted members. Have the option to purchase a one six or twelve month auto renewing membership aleph fulfill for the entire service. Other subscription is active. I know people who have matched with celebrities on it You're not gonna name names of the people who wrote the celebrities. I plead the fifth name. Name china loud yet. No one's there for friendship by the way ryan just so. You're aware my dating app. Will be called leah. Adds google blue checkmark dating app. But it doesn't it doesn't seem to be. I'm curious if greg someone your age ever thought that there would be apps where you could just find people and swipe on them left and right and then go meet up with them somewhere and they become your future husband or wife or the internet. No we got a phone. He had to swipe to dial right. No i the whole idea of apps and dating apps and everything is for me. Although they've been around for awhile right like there have been dating sites yes For decades right feel like mom would be okay if we did a bit where we put you on a dating app. Yes she'd welcome it. Greg you should see this joe. There's a show called the circle on net flicks where essentially is like a. It's a competition. Where all these people live in a house. And it's it's a popularity contest really because they bring your popularity in the most popular people choose who they want to vote out of the house but they're given the option to catfish people so some people are who they say they are in. Some people are not who they say they are and you know who's a catfish and who's not a catfish and this season there was a guy who was probably in his late fifties close to sixty. I don't know if he's listening while he's not listening. Why would be listening to this. And his name was lee and he was playing a nineteen year. Old guy named river. You you'd be and he said. I believe that he spoke to his knees to catch up on all the things young people say before they go on the show so that he could use hashtags properly and do all that stuff and he would inevitably get some of that stuff. Ron but do you think greg that you'd be able to catfish someone in a competition and have them believe that you were not who you said you were. Yes yeah i do what would you. What would you would have okay. So let's say greg right now is going to set up a catfish profiled for friendship. Let's say on ryo right what would you go with. Would you be a man which be a woman. What age range would you be. What name would you be like. Let's kind of create your catfish greg while I think i would be a drag queen. I think i would be a guy impersonating a woman. i live in key west I'm a regular at one of the to the drag shows and key west which is a fantastic every time. My wife and i do the keys. We we take in a show Would you on your profile. Have your actual name not greg. But you're person's name and then your performers name. I think so. Yeah i think i would definitely have. I would probably just go with my performance name. Okay you know but i in in i could You know i could. I can i can fib you know i. I can stretch the truth when needed. Yeah what age would we be going with year older than you think I would probably be a drag queen in her forties early forties maybe Yeah i'm twenty five years out of high school and I'm a drag queen when you guys make of this tim tibo thing. He's starting quarterback. Yeah trevor lawrence rally tight end play don quarterback but he has doubts about trevor lawrence. Ready to remind. Listen if you honestly. Honestly if i set the over under on the amount of snaps tempt will take for the jaguars at quarterback this year if i set of it ten or a wildcat well over while yeah i like it. People are making a big deal like he's taken a roster spot who cares. He's taken a rosser so it's a marketing campaign right. That guy's gonna have the highest selling jersey in the nfl. If he makes the jaguar team. I like it. I just find it hilarious. That colin cabinet is not lurs. He can't get a job but tim. Tebow over you're going to get a job out of his position right. That is probably not even going to be good because once he gets hit is going to be bad for him and you probably can't walk. He could take a hit. I think i mean he's of really bad guy now like is he even in shape. I also wonder why he didn't do this ten years ago. Like why. go through all of the hassles minor league baseball player for such a long time. And then just go do what everyone said. You should have done in two thousand thirteen. I can answer that question urban meyer. I mean he was pretty much blackballed from the league and urban meyer came back and gave him a second opportunity and you combine that with the fact that he realized he was never get into the big leagues with the mets and boom depot tight end jacksonville. Jaguars if you have moved to tight end. Though like she sang in two thousand thirteen someone would have given him a shy and he would have been in better shape than he's said. Now i'm not saying. I don't like him tibo but i have some beef with tibo cause us on that stupid broncos team that beat the steelers in the playoffs which. I still don't even know how that happened. So i'm just like a little resentful of him in general but i also just think that like he's kind of annoying like he keeps popping up doing things. I'm just like dude like it's okay to just retire and just go. Take your sec network job and make a shit ton of money and live your life. It's bizarre because he's going to be thirty four. When the season starts playing a made up position that he's never played. It just makes zero sense to me. Yeah but to to suggest that. Tim tebow era greg because every team has four tight ends the bucks. Five two suggests that they can't stick on a play action pass by the goal line right and he's wide open like cameron braid. Tibo can catch the ball. Of course he can now kenny block. I have no idea. And that's a pretty big bar immigrants. Either right i think tibo can actually be a decent tida. And then you have your emergency quarterback who might be the starting quarterback and you never know. What have you seen from tim. Tebow in the past ten years that makes you think he can actually play in the nfl. Like we haven't seen any of do anything all those things As you say. Chris let's heart and marcus. Yeah nice temperament do you. He's going to make the team for real. Oh what hundred. Per so yeah. He was one hundred percent. And i think he should maintenance you think he should make the team based start. What are belly is from that area. Okay they need. But there's a lot of people from that area would have put on the team. But not i mean. Nobody likes him tibo. Like he moves the needle. He gets people out to the stadium. Hasn't trevor lawrence do that though. Yes gets people to the strip when he does an autograph session. I mean these are the things that tibo does for an organization he makes you relevant. Look at the jaguars today. We did talk about him after. They drafted trevor lawrence. But today we're talking. Jags football about that. What are you talking about. Even if anything people's purpose is to be a distraction and take pressure off of trevor lawrence is worth it. I just like tim. Tijuana humiliate himself as like this bang average athlete who fails over and over again at fails at playing quarterback on being a mediocre tight. End like the dude can be like you know like one of the biggest television stars. One of the biggest sports pundits. He could have been for the last six or seven years and instead he's dedicated himself to this fruitless pursuit of professional athleticism. He's in his thirties. Now that speech and the swap thirteen years ago like it's so ridiculous that this is how to spend his professional career. And what i think of tim tebow. I'd only florida. I think if him like publicity stunting his way through the most mediocre athletic career that has ever come from someone in like a great college position. I don't get why this is the path that he chose for himself. This is what tebas fans love. though like. Tibo has so many diehard fans because he hasn't given up and he made that speech in the swamp and he's made all these passionate speeches since about how he won't give up on his dream and at some point it's like dude come on like you like the jaguars draft trevor lawrence. And travis. t. on we're going to talk about them this fall. They're going to be exciting to watch a few games like we don't need this. We're done with it. The jaguars third tight end. Beat your steelers jim. Some craig. I mean there. There are not many people the earth today they could say. Hey i wanna playoff game in the nfl. Starting quarterback not many look at ryan clark hadn't been hadn't had to sit that game out at mile high stadium. I think the steelers would have won that game. It was a fluke. Also say it. I will take that. Take to the grave and yeah. I have some personal animosity towards tim. Tebow i've that to start off. I think it's important to address but it's just like let's just move on with our lives. Tim come on he. Also by the way does not seem to all be bothered by public failure. So i don't think that that's going to motivate him to stop doing these things failed. I mean maybe in the spectrum of being a major league baseball player i mean. I think it's impressive. What he's done. He's a quarterback in the nfl. Wanna playoff game. He made the minor leagues in a completely. He hasn't succeeded like you could see. He has failed but he hasn't succeeded his memorable athletic achievement. He in a couple of home runs in the minor. You'd have you ever done that. I saw him years ago. He's come on women's that win against the steelers eleven. Let's all agree on this. He is one of the game of life. Okay i mean well. This is precisely the point right like couldn't even like hosting like he could be like what michael strahan is too good morning. America like that could be tim tebow. He have been taken over media personality. Been like the lead of. I take like this isn't immensely like tibo is one of our one named athletes. There's like six or set like there's lebron there's k. d. there's a rod. There's jeaner like there's these one name athletes. Zion is now becoming one of them as he was one of them. He's a massive star and he's decided to be the third string tight end for the jags like i don't i don't get why this is what he's decided to do with his stardom but it's time for that though kibo he's thirty. Three tibo has time to be the media personality. you're talking about. He doesn't have time much longer. No tried to be an athlete. Chris christie's restraint and did it in his thirties. Ecorse straight hand was doing it off the back of an incredible professional career. New york kibo has been out of the athletic spotlight for ten years. I think we're all in shock. Your we've never seen you hate. I really. I really hated it when i was in high school. And and and the gators are winning championships. I lose the florida gators with the intensity of a thousand suns thousand sons as a canes fan. How do you hate him. he's so nice to no. No god oh come on. No he was he was the smiling does about away for one of those backwards programs. The last two decades exact florida gators team. He's wolf wolf wolf. Reuven kids like smiling. Though is what people what irritates people. Because like there's the tibo lovers who earnestly support him in in all of his things that he stands for and then there's the tibo haters who are like this is just corny man like come on move on whitty obviously is one of the haters and i. I've never. I've never actually w i've never objected to tim. Tebow on a personal basis. I didn't want him to win when he was in college. But now it's like what like. What are you attempting to achieve it. Is there a breakout. nfl season. For thirty-three-year-old tim tebow as tied in. And i just don't think that now like his name carries the same cachet as did coming out of college if he if he wins. That playoff game doesn't win an nfl job. He can stick the claim to well. I was just denied the opportunity to go again as a starter. I could have kept on doing this. And instead he's decided to dedicate his life to of fail baseball career and a third string back in of third string. Backup tight end job with jacksonville. Like he's not re entering the marketplace of cultural cachet with anything other than athletic failure attached to him to remember t t boeing. How big t boeing was sir. Yes but i think what chris is saying is that was back in two thousand and eight because it a long time you hate him. We get saying i want you to say. We'll feel good. If you say. Tim tebow site. I don't hate tim tebow. I don't i just don't get it. i don't get it. I don't get why anyone cares about him anymore. I don't get why this is what he's decided. I'm just going to say. I don't think tim tibor that dissimilar. I think you of this show why hard that was thinking. Just nice and kind and they wanna help people and what if someone was like. What if someone on reg just like. What is the worst one the hell with this. You don't you don't think that happens now so nice like how could you hate witty. How could you all of read it. Is cody wait until you see what's about to happen with you're not i mean holy. I think a lot of people are gonna grew. Yeah this is going to be the most visible. He's been chris. Cody have a pitch for you. The way that you want to have the friend secret murder mystery. What if we did will pitch it to gary. What if we did a movie. The dark side of tim tebow. Oh it's a scripted thing but we just kind of a makeup essentially the dark side of tim tebow or the actual dark side of him. I like it I'd like to ask a couple of questions. First of all pitch it to gary. Does anyone understand what every nobody knows. What gary remain. Everyone does i want to ask greg. Cody a couple of different questions. Because my thoughts on tibo have always been that. He's a bit of a religious figure that he is a soulful spiritual argument between science and religion in sports because the metrics displayed that he wasn't that good but he had a special something a special abstract thing that you couldn't see or measure whether it's hard some of the things we like to believe in and urban meyer clearly believes them and the thing that i wanted to ask is. How many of these college coaches go to the pros and look for their comfort blanket. Like tibo where you remember you. Remember all of the coaches who have been through here in the savior types have brought their guys in there. Guys and so. Urban meyer is urban meyer. Not thinking here. Well i can get this magical little something. That tibo has in jacksonville. I could get a lot of attention for our team. And i can have a soulful leadership guy even if i don't know how to use them and even though everyone's laughing at me because nobody he hasn't played in eight year i could not agree more. Urban meyer is going to a team. That's had a terrible losing culture In addition to bringing in to dynamic offensive players in the draft. He's trying to change that culture and if he thinks tim. Tebow is a part of that He may be right and tim. Tiba was so religious. When god said earlier half kiddingly i i still transfixed in my mind. The idea that tim tebow would be Doing an autograph session for the jaguars at a strip club. That's just a funny visual to me. What is the downside He's a tight end. He's an emergency quarterback. He's popular in that area still. I don't care how many years ago he played at the university of florida. He's still a draw in that area and that area loan. What's the downside. We're talking about a third string tight end. who cares. it's people laughing at you right now. Downside you're starting your career with people laughing at you laugh at me. all right. He might prove to be a pretty good tight end. We have no idea why. Feel like we've got a pretty good in evernote now. eight years. God's with no experience at the position. I was saying this earlier. He's a world class athlete. He's played at the university of florida. He won a playoff game in the nfl. To suggest that. Tim tebow can't get himself wide open in the end zone at the three yard line and catch a pass like cameron. Braid is absurd. it's not nearly as big as can pitch them out to it. And then all you got a quarterback on run. Who's got cannon a a lot of possibilities back you're at cannon He's good jimmy. Graham was also a basketball player that was made into a tight end. Did pretty well now. He's obviously jimmy graham size. Well he's also not jimmy grams age when he decided to figure out. Hey i'll just be a tight end. He's thirty three years old to major difference number very few miles on him though because he didn't he didn't last very long. If you take away the broncos steelers win in the playoffs what is tim. Tebow 's biggest or best game in the nfl. Take that one game away which was kind of fluky like we said earlier. What is his big moment in the nfl was he actually good. I don't think he was a big comeback game against the dolphins. Didn't he beat the dolphins with some terrible all game and last four minutes all of a sudden because there were there little miracle sprouting around tibo all the time every time somebody would tell. You can't play quarterback he's terrible then they'd win on three onside kicks. He had his moments in the nfl. And you're right. One of them was in miami. I can see him being a little bit of a swiss army knife A taste some hill. maybe The idea that you know you can use them at In the wild cat you can put them At tight end you can and he will throw ten passes. He's be there. Emergency quarterback started eleven games. one year. He was seven and four. He had twelve touchdowns and six interceptions. And yes there were a lot of little miracle sprouting up around him. Yeah the gate you remember correctly. The game against the dolphins susan twenty eleven. The broncos were down fifteen nil in the fourth quarter and tim tebow with three minutes to play their down. Fifteen nil two touchdowns and a two point conversion kick a fifty two yard field goal in overtime extra time. Excuse me your favorite used nil when you're talking about your football that is as efficiently as you can be an asshole with a single wittingham. Andrew street are actually sent to some imaging for whenever what he does a witty thing and the sounds like chris. Wittingham is a fancy wedding controversy over chris. Wittingham is offensive added. absolutely need to lean into this just established the perch of maximum. Young as obama's getting old and you could be maximum asshole guy who comes in here. And look i will make you hate me in a syllable. I will refer to the broncos dolphins game as fifteen nil and make everyone in the audience thing. I'm a jerk swedish sees as they're a clown bicycle horn in there really feel high end but the rest of. It's good chris. Wittingham is a fancy. Jessica said to take away. Tim tebas greatest professional moment right because it was against her team that she wants to not acknowledge that it ever happened. Who is someone that we could take one career moment away from. And they'd be viewed completely differently like they had one major win in that made their career and their respected career. Wow that's a really good one about the giants wide receiver gary Yeah that would be. The guy wasn't especially and catch though in his career was made by that kyrie's a good one because if he doesn't have one of the biggest shots in nba history the narrative around him being that he's not a champion being that he didn't deliver for his team there then he's just a crazy eccentric even though he's kind of that now i'm gonna go the other way i'm gonna go full. Chris cody here and say that. Dan orlovsky running out of the back of the end zone for the detroit lions Who's great for his career. Because if not for that moment why would we know of dan orlovsky. Why would we have been following him on twitter when he puts all those videos. Upbringing quarterback play. And then why why. Why would he be on. Get up if not from running out of the back of the end zone but do you think he actually secretly despises that because every time he makes the point that people don't like on twitter they're like why would i listen to the guy that ran out of the back of the end zone. He has to deal with that every day. Now be secretly despises that he must despise that everyone undercuts. His everyone undercuts his credibility by saying. You don't even know when it is that you're out of the end zone. But it made him dan. It made jokes so but it had us talking about him and now he's he's killing it at. Espn he's doing. I don't think he's at espn if he doesn't step out of the end zone appreciate that take. I still think he does though because he had cachet in the college football game. Dan orlovsky was a very good quarterback for connecticut and he had to break into the analysis role as a college football guy and he excelled and he was calling college football games and then on twitter he was doing pro football stuff and then it was just based off of the chops that he displayed on television. Because if he wasn't good on television. Dan orlovsky certainly doesn't rise to that level. We all agree that. Dan orlovsky good-looking. Let's call him a nine. Do you think he would give himself a two point deduction the looks category for a better. Nfl career Oh wow that's a really good. So he's a seven and what type of nfl career. We talking about here like multiple pro bowler well jessica yu winced when chris. Cody said we all agree. That dan orlovsky is a nine and very good. I said he's good looking. We agrees good looking. I kinda just through the nine out there. Maybe we don't agree on that. I mean i feel like you're speaking for a lot of people in this room. We all have different tastes. Cody gets all agree to agree with you. On dan orlovsky trust as well. It seems okay. We're looking about this. What if dan orlovsky and chris simms switched lives right so dan orlovsky still looks like dan orlovsky but his dad was phil simms but he had the playing career of chris and chris. Simms looks like chris simms but he ran out of the back of the end zone. We'll would their post football careers. Look like you want to run through one. More time i told laskey now having an emergency appendectomy explodes in a game. Are we give him that. Okay are you trying to lead us because this was a little bit muddled choose your own adventure dan. We can go wherever you want to go. So dan orlovsky former quarters still in. I'm not great yeah yet. Well chris simms also former quarterback not the best professional career right. So dan orlovsky looks like dan or law kris betty friday. Forgive me billy for interrupting. I do wanna follow you on this. But chris. simms had a better career than dan. Orlovsky did did he refute it. Blow for sure. Yeah yes so but his dad was also fill sin direct. It's equals everything. It's an important one. We can't forget that then to be honest with you. I'm just surprised that you're letting me go. This long with this situation. I regret asking you for an elaboration but the group seemed to want to not only going this long. It's take two. So basically. Chris simms a dan orlovsky switch positions in life and name alone but they still look the same. So dan orlovsky is chris. Simms son with kurt. Now phil simmons son with chris simms career but dan orlovsky is looks and chris. Simms is dan or career and running out of the end zone with chris. Simms launched the audience to understand dad. Yeah he has dan. Orlovsky data has a great. Follow up there okay. I just want the audience to understand that. Billy in explaining this had two index fingers next to his face and then as it became clearer and clearer to him across the index finger so that he was making an x. with his arms and the index fingers or on the opposite sides of his face and we don't understand any more white trying to explain yes they criss-cross as if it was totally clear to you but i still don't understand what you're trying to ask us. Which one would you choose. Yes right. I think orlowski gives up two points for the super bowl. Orlowski has more career touchdowns than chris simms. Are we sure that he added pro career. Yeah i'm i'm on pro football reference right now. Looking out of the back of the endzone seems played in a playoff game. Danny sims only had ten starts was as most starts in a season. He had one two thousand yard season with ten touchdowns and seven interceptions giving us orlowski numbers. Because all i remember is him running out of the back of the end zone and owen sixteen team. I'm looking hold on now. I'm on tim. Tebow page okay. Hold on a second so we got orlowski was in the league a lot longer to two thousand five to two thousand fifteen with four different teams. That looks like he had won. Sixteen hundred yards season. One twelve hundred yards season. Most touchdowns in a season was in two thousand eight. That was the really bad Lion season he had eight touchdowns and eight interceptions. Okay that's pretty bad too. But he has more career yards and more career touchdowns. We'll get that so. We were better than both. i mean. i'm genuinely surprised by the way. Dan orlovsky has three middle names which is believed to be an nfl record. What yeah look it up. Why don't you just tell us what they are. Since you've looked i don't know I didn't look it up. That was just in my bank of knowledge positive years ago. So i don't remember but somebody can look that up. I think this is a lie. Look it up. I think he's right. You look i could. But i've got his name on my screen. Name is daniel john cole neier orlowski welcome pitcher chris. Simms have those middle name. Stu chris john cole. Neier or loss food. Yeah dan simms can agree there right. Yup also drew brees takeaway is super bowl. What is he disappointment Same thing with aaron rodgers. Yeah all breeze would have. Is that sports science thing where he hit a couple of actors. He wouldn't even have that moment. The oprah moment where she did. She tried to brush his birthmark. She thought it was like a smudge is where he would get a smudge like that just hanging around by a moment ever could face. Chocolate love the idea of furious with their makeup people. How did someone that take off his face before he came out here in somewhere backstage. There's a coordinating producer. That warned oprah about the smudge felt so be little gadgets. Drawing and oprah there is absolutely a producer that was fired for not warning her enough.

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