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Improvement Over Perfection with Dan Martin

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Improvement Over Perfection with Dan Martin

"W. Start talking to people more than talking listening to people really really digging into listening. You're you're going to find out what they really want going to be able to motivate them based off of that hello and welcome to it's possible conversations with successful online trainers in the number one show the real life stories strategies and step-by-step advice mothers just like them already successfully building new online business now. I'm John Berman down to two hundred filaments into and the online trading academy and I wanted to just give you a quick gift if you knew just go to online training renew dot com slash intro or if you in the United States text P. D. C. Two four four four nine nine nine point awesome it. Let's get into today's show. Hey what's up everybody out there in internet land members whereas of the online training academy. Ota grads PT DC members were here back with another lab broadcast. We got a special one for you. 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We've checked each other out a little it via the interwebs. We've got Dan Martin here today and he's GonNa talk to us about. How perfection probably isn't the best way way to go in route to a fitness oriented business I'm not GonNa talk too much about him. I'm GonNa let him do that himself. Dan Thank you for coming on and please Sir share with us a little bit about your story because you've got a really interesting origin story about how you got into the business. Let us know how that happened. Dan Yeah first of all thank you very much for having me on very excited to be here today so I I guess I started really in fitness when I was pretty young as a competitor track and field and cross country and swimming and everybody Kinda thought my path going to lead to college athletics but I ended up catching the music bug when I was a teenager and and found out that I guess I had some talent for it and when I was in my late teens I took a demo tape out to New York City. I'm from Milwaukee Wisconsin Wisconsin and I just happened to bump into the right person and the first tracks that I made on my dad's home computer with a old some of you might it's not even know what it is but it's an MS dos based program like we're talking just numbers and letters. I made those tracks they they signed those tracks in from there became a whirlwind really for the next decade plus where I wasn't really focus at all. I was focused on getting to the next city playing the next show putting up the next record touring on that it wasn't until I was about to turn turn thirty when I realized Oh man I'm getting out of shape and I need to do something about it. and I'm forty three now. That was fourteen years ago. I it went and hired a trainer in realized that I still had a lot of love for training for working out for getting so much so so that it led us or lead me to be sitting here with you now now spent the last fourteen years owning operating a few gyms and running a nutrition attrition service instill feet on the floor working with clients. I worked with five clients this morning because I still love to. You know still enjoy doing it that that that's amazing so. Would you say that you SORTA got into the business by. I don't like the word accident. Maybe me happen stance if you had not sought out that trainer because the road ahead had beat me down probably in today yeah and you know what happens I started. I started working with that guy in the first session that I had with him. I mean I got sick bad unlike I worked out super hard. You know Kinda brought out that hard I can work. SORTA thing ended up like really not feeling good going home with this raging headache but stuck with it and kept training with him and at the end. I guess it was kind of the end of the road with him. He really told me I don't have anything else for you. You know like you've done everything that I told you to do. You follow the one page nutrition plan program that I gave you. You did all these workouts in exceeded my expectations nations you and I asked him at that point. Where'd you get certified and he told me about the different options that were kind of out there it done and why he had done certification that he did that day. After that last session I walked home and signed up online for that certification. Kinda new at that point that I was ready to start backing out of the music business had been a decade and it had taken taking its toll and I was ready to kind of make shift and that that makes perfect sense so you literally warm down to a NUB pretty much. I'm nobody out there. Watching has ever had a client like that and that was your entry point to to this business. I gotta ask you about the sort of the title of this this broadcast in your philosophy because it's it's so important to us about about perfection about improvement over perfection just in general context and we'll dive into into the specifics in a second but just your general overview of that that statement improvement over that's a mantra that I used almost every day in my interaction with claw and but also also with myself and I think a lot of it does go back to the music stuff where you have to you. Keep throwing noodles at the wall. You have to keep trying to do things in a lot of times. People end up getting stuck looking for that whether it's a perfect training program or a perfect nutrition plan or the perfect tractor working out music or perfect painting whatever it is you you get stuck in your unable to keep moving forward because you're looking for that perfect right which we all know isn't really out there. You're never never gonna get it right right so this isn't on our agenda per se but I think we both operate in the same groups in is there's a recurring current question that comes up in in the training groups especially online trainers united and it's. I think you're the perfect person. No Oh plan intended. You're the best person that was slipped dead. You're the best person to answer this question. 'cause we see it all the time. Okay Hey guys. I'M A new trainer. I'm trying to decide between trainer is PTO pity station. I don't have class cooperated for the last sixty days of being a personal trainer. 'cause I just can't figure out which one is the perfect one for my business Dan. What's your what's. What's your answer there. I've never used any of those. I've used a lot of different things things. goes back to a story when I first started the trainer when I decided that I was going to do it the first outdoor group class that I was GONNA coach. We spent two months marketing it myself in another guy. You know telling everybody that we knew. This guy was already a trainer. I was getting certified inviting person after person as an outdoor classroom shop to the park to people and and he says to me you know we should just tell them that you know will meet up again some other time and and you know. I think it probably comes from playing Tuesday nights in Omaha and Thursday nights in Lexington Kentucky at ten people. You know whether it's ten thousand million people you do the same thing right you give the same quality no matter what in a lot of times people get stuck in finding finding that perfect tool finding that perfect software finding the right way if I could if I could say anything on that on picking trainer is picking this or that pick one and run with it right. Pick one and run with it and do it. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't work but but you can always go switch out your platform if you really need to. It's not as big of a deal as you think it is or as those want you to think it is either right right that makes that makes that's. That's an amazing statement because you know we get caught up in the deliberation so much that we never get into the action in that so crucial so let's let's talk about some key points because you you've got some great some great takeaways here in regards to this process in any sort of your first key point is is about good days and bad days to talk talks about that. We talked briefly before this about star things. What does that mean in terms of your business at in you know in some ways in terms of plans really in terms in the context of Your Business. What do you mean by stat good days not bad days when you wake up set yourself a task list. I know that Ot A and John have the three the three key key points the night before you go to bed you write down your three key points to wake up and and do the next day and for me. That's a beautiful whole thing because many times you get too caught up in. There's this huge accumulating list of tasks that you've got to get through. It seems it's like it's an impossible thing to do but it one little day one little action one little thing can make a huge difference as long as you keep doing it over all effect right or or cumulative interest. Whatever you WanNa call like where good stuff just begets more good stuff so like like you said earlier with with you know being being better in not perfect. The same thing goes for me for business. I know I'm GonNa make mistakes and constantly do but as long as I've woken up and down the best I can and try and stack the more good days on top of of more good days versus any bad days. I feel like I've I've done done a little bit each day in nudging the Business Ford bumping the business forward towards better stuff that that that makes sense and and and how do you know. Do you have a systematic process that you use to execute that how I mean. How do you know that you're stacking a good days or Oy. Is there some way to is way too is. There is some data collection for that. I was looking around to see if I had one in the room that I'm in but but I don't see yellow notepad that is that is my data collection system. Now I do own operate three gyms. I do have a nutrition service where I work with about one hundred clients. I do use software to operate those on a day to day basis my list. I is a handwritten list and I go through and I physically mark those things off and I take great pleasure in doing that. It's when when I when I read in the in the Ot course at that was part of the process. I was like Oh this is exactly what my dad used to do. Style you know Yellow Legal Legal Pad and I still do that. When I walked. I will take it through the gyms. Just the problem shoot dirt in a corner or a barbell needs to be cleaned or whatever it is. I'll just make the note assigned whoever this task it is to that and walk through and check them off old school. May Outta love it. It doesn't have to be complicated. I guess and I love that I love the practicality galaxy of doing it on the spot. How important it is it in your mind that when when when something needs to be categorized that it's that it's done on the spot that you've got something handy to record it because we always think I gotta make a mental note of that. Does that work in business in European Faye. Will I know you into this episode but I wanted to let you know that if you want to get started online coaching than I have if we gift for you. It's a free three day course and you'll learn that quote truths guaranteed to get you on length as clients you can register with your email at online trainer dot com slash intro pro or if you're in the United States simply text a PT DC two four four four nine nine nine. Thanks now back to the show yeah absolutely those those lists writing down key items and crossing them off and then taking net listing carrying it over to the next list is huge for me a were whatever works for you. Some people choose to do it on their phone. I'm really still ella a write it down with pen and PAD Kinda Guy. I do keep a schedule on my phone and all that stuff but yeah I. I think it's huge. I think it's like even even if I'm training clients. They get used to me between sets grabbing a dry race mark jotting something down you know it might be type of shirt that they're wearing. It might be a book that they recommended to me. It might be the doesn't a corner over there but it's yeah it's a part of the ongoing process of day-to-day whether it's operating the gyms operating Nutrition Service Are Online coaching yeah without that note taking a lot of times. I'd be lost yet at them as Ferguson's because it's just hard to go back and you can't remember everything right. You need a process. You talked a little bit before we came on about about just just a lifelong aspect of names which is really really another point that that's crucial to to your your your better over perfect tells us about the lifelong along aspects and some context. I know that means clients but a lot but it applies to business will touch on that a little bit for forty yeah so I think we're chatting a little bit about the the challenge minds and that's kind of in the fitness industry now a days in you know we we aloe and we kept a lot of the same clients over over that lifespan because the mentality is i. WanNa help you live to a hundred right. I Want I wanna be your coach until we're both one hundred like not because it's a job not because it's anything more than a calling where I feel like surround me this. You know this group of hundreds of people that are relying on me for health wellness fitness and all that stuff deserve to have that long term mentality right in understand that myself myself as a as a fitness coach and has a nutrition coach are are there with them charting the course that law so that that hundred year mentality is a big thing for for me no short-term long-term right we we briefly discussed the incessant challenges and we understand it but but you're saying that the the long play may be the secret sauce here in in the industry at this yeah you know so. I've I've owned four gyms. I now have three. I would say my biggest mistake in business was opening opening that that force because one is in my hometown. It's fifteen hundred miles away from me. I can't do much for it other than guide hide it from the outside with a long arm the two down here are great and they're close enough where I can really know everybody. I know almost every client by first and last name. I know what they do for living. I know you know their husband or wife's name. I know a lot when we opened opened up that third location. It was about forty miles away in a be it quickly became a game of commodity over relationships in the the biggest mistake that I made biggest mistake that I made was trying to trying to compete on that instead of trying to compete on the unique skillset that myself and my team have you know that you know the our story my partner story and my partner the next green beret combat experiences who seen a lot and just those those things that make you unique are your advantage manage and if you if you try and compete with the big dogs they're. GonNa outspend human into the ground. You can't compete with orange theory on advertising budget. You can't compete with any of those guys. You've got to be exactly you. An embrace exactly what you are and who you are where you came from and what your story is and you'll find people will identify with that. They're out there but it's yeah it's easy to get caught up in the chasing the big dollars you know the six six figures seven figure or one one quick trigger one easy step in that that doesn't exist. There's no quick trick for are people are like what's what's the secret of my joke answer but my serious answer now is like there's a really easy process to get fit and stay fit and people are always like what is it man. What is it. I'm like Kay write this down. Are you ready five days a week. You'RE GONNA exercise six days a week. Maybe seven you're gonNA eat really well. You'RE GONNA do that for a decade. We'll meet again in a decade okay. That's the secret to being fit and I think that's the secret to business to. Is You know the the state the ability to have staying power and even when Steph McCall when man if if I were to quit each time that let's say in the music days when I had a bad show or in the early trainer days when I was is training people in the park for free or when I was just starting to get clients and maybe didn't believe in myself thousands of times multiple times a day eh I still have that they'll have that were on like Geez you know am I out of my league even before we got on this call. I was like you know I I've done podcast cast now. I do these video. Chats with people still like okay all right. I totally get that so for let let's let's translate this into into the online. That's that's a lot of what we're here to talk about the for the new online trainers out there who who are right now caught up about the numbers you know they don't have the numbers they want the numbers. I need a hundred people to train all that what's your what's your message to that at new online trainer. That's just caught up about the numbers. Is that where the focus should be. You don't WanNA hundred clients right now now anyway you don't want one hundred until you have the systems and processes to deal with that do one or two or three maybe five in in doing amazingly well and the rest will come right the most of our business has been referral driven and especially my online nutrition business has been referral driven like over half of my clients. Now are aging music guys that are like I've. I've seen what you've done through your posts in. I see your results in the result of other guys and girls in my situation. I'm ready to make a change. You know it's it's grown slowly but surely as gotten those results people. I'm at you know I probably we have about one hundred nuclear nutrition clients now but I have helped managing that in when I first started I took a group of people that I knew and I did this the training to and I was training people in the park and gave it to him for free for the I think it was with nutrition I did four people. You know proof of concept have been it done on me. Now I wanted others got a hold of people that I knew that had weight to lose and said if you give me your all giving you my all and then they just went and told their friends in those friends told other friends and that's how it's it's continued the attraction the attraction to quick growth. I get it you know I'm still in that head space. Some days where you want more leads you want more clients. You want more more more but you have to understand what comes along along with that. You know more clients equals more more billing equals. More adleman yields more overhead equals. I line space is a little bit better as far as the overhead but it's still going to get more difficult to deal with that so you better have systems in practices in place before you can go there otherwise yeah because you can't play Madison Square Garden in front of fifty thousand before you were hurts us on. I and you have a bad show. You gotta you gotTa play Omaha Tuesday night. Shift Times you know and refined those songs we love you. Omaha out to Omaha so less troll into something. That's really really important here and we get this is I mean you're speaking right to the right to the heart of the people because I see these questions all the time in our our in our groups and that's giving up on the client win is deploying empathy in that situation talk talk to the trainer right. Now's has got a difficult online client which is a unique situation because you're not there with them. Talk to us a little bit about deployment empathy the enact not quitting on someone the number one thing I would say is is get on the phone and get to the root of the problem but I always I always do that. I mean I I you know after a couple of messages. I try and get on the phone with people in because you start talking people more than talking listening to people really really digging into listening. You're you're gonNA find out what they really want and you're gonna be able to motivate them based off of that. It can get really frustrating if somebody's not being compliant because the whole thing happens where they wanNA blame you or you at least feel like you're getting part of the blame. Even though you might know you have the best program in the world this person's not getting results and they start passing that that blame off find you man got logs and logs and logs of conversations. should probably have a psychology master's by now from all all of the back and forth that I've done but you've got to find ways to to number one not take it personal. That's something that that I did for a long time. Kinda gotten over but don't take it personal. They're not cutting down you. It's usually their own insecurity that that is part the issue get creative. Don't don't stop if somebody some ghosts do that. That's one thing but if they're just if they're not being compliant if they're not doing what they're supposed to find out what makes them tick digging. Get on the phone spend fifteen minutes. It's just listening to what their issues are and I bet you you're. GonNa help solve that problem but just at fifteen minute phone. Call is probably GONNA prolonged that relationship Asian ship by years because how how often nowadays do you have somebody call you up. So what are you paying that person or not in say. Tell me what's wrong. Tell me what's going on never and then just stop in listen in just listen most times people are so caught up in the hustle and bustle social media email back and forth that when you do that they're like. WHOA okay. This person really really does care. They really do want results for me. They really are invested in what is being offered in usually you can turn that ship around now not gonna lie even in the past three months. I've had people that I wasn't able to and I got you know gotten some really nasty messages back. That's just part of the game you know. Sometimes you just have to sometimes you just have to deal with that and say okay. I usually bounds off my wife and she's like she's the one who brings me back down reality like you know it's not you right right like she. She's a member of my program. She's like you know your program works right like you know that this is good stuff. You're doing great stuff for a lot of people in and I'm like I know I know. I still thank you for doing that for me. Absolutely you know it's it's it's a unique situation wasted because it's really really hard not to take it personally like were hard person. You've got you've got your. You've got all your information you graduate. You know stuff. Now you know John Goodman said you're good to go. You're and then immense someone comes along and how dare you how dare you question. I I really think the heart of of what you just explained and really is that point just not to take it personally personally. I think everything sort of blooms out of that one action action as the coast. I bet that's so profound could you could you share with us. You talked a little bit about how under your own situation so. The Soda Helps Helps with dealing with those difficult clients situations. Are you speaking about the difficult eight difficulty that you may have you may have caused to someone else. Are you just thinking about just things that you've gone through. What I'm speaking about. In general is my own my own battle with alcoholism in you know as I was as I was touring playing music and all that that became my crunch which and my vice in recovery now it's been five years. I feel amazing of gutter strong support system around me of of other fitness professionals that have gone through the same thing and have even more time under their belt in great friends that support me in that but it allows allows me to empathize with people who are in similar situations. Were it's addiction or whether it's overeating or whether it's just not being in shape that story a lot of times when when I'm able to share that with people makes them realize that I'm that I'm human you know you know now. I'm very very fit guy and you know you see pictures on the Internet and everybody thinks that that's how you always been but when I share my own transformation before and after my own battle that I've had it goes a long way. It took me a long time to be. He comfortable even saying the word alcoholism. You may have noticed that I kinda even still had a pause before I said it you know walking into that first meeting is like one one of the hardest things I remember walking in and I was thinking man. I'M GONNA walk in and I'm GonNa see a client and sure enough. A walked in commander in there is there is a client in you know you just gotTa acknowledged each other and you're like I haven't seen can you hear before and I'm like first time man no way he never mentioned outside. He never said anything about it again. You know just anyways being able to share that and being able to empathize on that level I was kind of known as a wild child in my music days and a lot of people who are worked with now still will know me as the person that I formerly was hair down to the middle of my back beard without to hear you know rough looking dude so being able having people who I knew from back in the day being. Let's see that transformation but also being able to say hey. I've been through this stuff to the first workout that I did was horrible. You know didn't end well kept going back. Kept going back kept going back there. There's there's still you know. I'm sure you even have as a as a fitness professional days. That are tough man. You probably eat the wrong things. You probably get in the the greatest work out of your life. Maybe you're not at ten percent body fat like it used to be you know still have those days dam and it's you know for for the for the folks out there that are that are neutrons and you know heck even for the experienced ones you know in from your perspective. Dan Dan is is our human story as important if not more important than than in our story of education. Is it more important to a client. You're in your estimation that I've got three certifications from NASM or the hey brother. I you know I've been through that you know I dealt with debt child. Talk a little bit about that because I think it's important for for the folks out there who working with humans every day to get some perspective on it the first paying client. I ever had trained him in the park he still to this day. He was the only person talking from from that day twelve plus years ago till today the only person who has ever asked me about my credentials ever ever period he asked me are you certified and I said no but I'm getting certified him doing the education. I'll write. I I still want to help you. Are you okay with that. He said Yeah his mother has come to me. His brothers come to me. His sister has come to his nieces and nephews have come to me but the amount of time that I've shared my story or someone wrote story in his ended up coming to me. I can't even count it anymore man. They know it's a thousand times more important a million times more important. I don't know because you know when it come onto it. You you know whether it's sm Issa or whatever so the crossword certification whatever certification you have there's twenty thousand other people people out there who have that same certification had the same knowledge. There's only one of you has that unique story right. There's only one ren that has the story of being part of an armed group in the nineties going and playing the Apollo right like who else has that story man I guarantee probably maybe one other guy on the planet. I don't know probably not the all right yeah that that story would I mean that story across it crosses boundaries for people in it created immediate an immediate connection between you and I but also I'm sure to a lot of other other people that you've talked to over the years same thing with me in the ability to be about it for a long time with my whole music career. I kind of hit did it. When I was when I was starting my my training and then people started slowly finding out you know like why don't you talk about this and I'm like I don't know a bit of a rough Ian Wild child reputation. They're like that's the story man that's amazing and realize that like all these guys that might have a doctorate or a master's in in in this or that or they're successful financier is or what you know they're. MD's at this point. They love hearing those stories. They're like you know well. We're training between sets of bench press. What was it like in Lithuania man like how what was it like playing for a crowd and Slovenia or Brussels like yeah. I like. I can share that story in the parts that I remember anyways. I can share that story really can create a lasting bond. You know they don't really care about anatomy anatomy so much man they care about feeling better better and that connection that relationship now and that that comes from sharing that story when one hundred percent Dan as chairman all the time and we'll talk briefly about that. When we get off the lot will actually? I know you gotta go but I just WANNA pop up run out of time but I wanna pop one one comment for you. You may not be able to see it but I'm going to read it for you and it's from Ron Rodriguez rise in Jacksonville Florida as you say wow he's forty eight years old and played Lab Music for seventy years and never thought about about that as his unique factor that us that unique selling proposition you want is. He just wanted to say thank you. Thank you so much for sharing your ideas. which I you know instantaneous proof of concept of what you just said about sharing your story and connecting with people you know up until this point it'd I've been like who's the weird guy that NSM certain the cool guy on the other side but this is a lesson for you guys out there in in Internet landmass this ship share your humanity people? What of who you are and what you do they they? They're going to gravitate towards your humanity. Dan We run out of time. We could talk for hours. I mean the Nuggets Afar valuable but I know you've got. You've got things that you gotta get onto. We wanted to keep a really tight schedule hey thanks so much but before we let you go. Where can we find you there. Yes yes so you can find me on my website and we're in shirt right now. It's the Dan plan date DOT com. That's my Dan you might you might have found out a little bit until he comes for that. Okay here. He is Glen and repeat efforts. Yep so the Damn Plan Diet Dot Com is the website an easy to find on social media and I will actually answer your questions if you message me. I'm happy to talk if you're younger trainer out there You you know don't be afraid to hit me up. I'm one of those old dogs that has happy to talk to the young guns in kind of share my experience in my story eleven great great insight Dan Amazing Story. I mean gaseous. An amazing amazing story gas share stories out there. Dan I appreciate the time for those folks that were able to watch live. We appreciate if you're coming back to catch the replay. Thanks for coming back to watch and and eventually we'll bounce these down to a podcast so if you listened to the podcast thanks for so much for your time will see Gaza again tomorrow at two thirty thirty. PM Eastern Time Dan my friend pleasure to meet you. I'M GONNA be linking up with the I want someone that knowledge myself. Sir and we'll see you guys next Sam Alright Basil. I see you later. Thank you so much. He is John Goodman and I just wanted to say thanks. Oh so much time. Listen subsidy if you did find it helpful showed other training ferryboat. ONC- comes test also shouldn't subscribed Edison. Every podcast gets streets you and go searching for a half commits. The end supposed I hope took away at least one key lessons news new journey finally don't forget you will or too scared it to get you more online at his parts. 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41  Is Your Niche Too Broad or Too Narrow?

Digitally Sassy

13:29 min | 2 years ago

41 Is Your Niche Too Broad or Too Narrow?

"Welcome i'm dan martin you're hosting coach potentially sassy podcast helping the community female entrepreneurs p i buy their business i'll teach you how to build you're on my presence show how to save money i give you the best ways to step in and rocky social media yes you can be i wire business and i'll show you how it's plain language and doable strategies let's go well conditionally sassy i'm so glad you've joined us i cannot believe it's july this year is going by so fast i hope you're all able to take advantage of the summer months chance i'm in eight four season climate so i'm trying to embrace the warm weather when it comes unfortunately it's been a little wet here but i you know somewhere is gonna come and get some sunshine in before a we see the white stuff coming down now today's topic is mountain issues and i do have another podcast say did early on in in my episodes that talks about how to choose a niche i want to talk about something a little bit different let's say you've been working away on doing eight blog or eight east or something you've chosen inish and you're wondering if it's too broad or if it's to maybe narrow and what to do about that you know i'm sure either way you've been working very hard on trying to grow some traffic trying to get some traction going aunt when you continually hear crickets tickets can be really discouraging an sometimes the reason could be that it's just too broad of a niche or sometimes it could be that is just too narrow and there isn't really enough people out there interested in that topic and that can happen now if you're just getting going online i do wanna remind you that it takes a long time to get the traction going in a lot of dedication it can take a year sometimes longer and it really depends pence on eunice aunt how a specific you're being in terms of marketing and the consistency and all those sort of things it takes a long time partly i think because you know just even as ceo in your website website and what you're doing can take awhile 'cause it's a it's a continual process going back in you're going back in how google is leading year staff you you tweak things you add things in those sort of pieces all take some time doing it i'm not sure it's ever actually done i mean you might rank for eight key word and then you know someone else out ranks you and as a continual back and forth and those sort of things so give yourself time and know but it takes time and even though if in the beginning you're talking to crickets that's okay 'cause ashley audience grows at the evergreen content and they'll come back and they'll reid those initial blog posts or listen to episodes ever since you've god online anchorage so your audience will build on those so it's not a wasted effort just wanna make sure you know that but sometimes when you've been working hard and you're not seeing any girls or any movement forward i can be super discouraging and so sometimes the reason for that is you knish is really to brought or possibly to narrow so to decide their initials too broad there's a few things you can look at and one of them would be how many topics are you covering so whether it's pockets where blogging how many topics so you talking about aunt having an idea whether or not those topics are actually related to each other totally different and this is very easy to do i think any lifestyle logging kind just fear where it could be about children at a lifer could be about you know you might throw in some recipes in there or you might throw in some style thing and how stuff and it's really brought so it's really hard to talk to your audience and it's really brought these other pc could look at is how complicated is it to define your market so when you're talking to someone and you've got that elevator pitch and all those sorts of good things does it take you you know quite a while to get all the words out in terms of the things you're doing online does it feel complicated and jumped two years so that's a good indication maybe you're just working a little bit too broad and again google will reflect that in terms of how it's easier as ceo and thing and you're ranking in those sort of pieces big cause it won't know what you're talking about if you have a gazillion different pieces of a things on your website that are not interrelated that you can't even put links but then you're internal site to because they're they're just there's a disconnect then you won't get that as you're ranking no matter how much you try to the let's talk first about what to do if you conditions to brought now i don't like taking everything you're working on and throwing out the window you don't necessarily need to do that but you do need to take some time and narrow things down again so going back to some of the basics what is the court topic what are you talking mostly about is it something where when you post something on a certain topic you get better coverage or a better readership from are people looking for that same same thing on your social media you could kind of gauge you know what are people responding to and whether they a little not so much responding to so decide on what sort of that court topic that is working for you and working pre audience and what i would do is all these other stuttered sub topics that you may have been talking about i would put them aside for a while and really try to focus on the ones that are actually driving you some of that traffic 'cause you need to get that momentum going so work you on something that's very core they are you know who that audience is you know that you know that is this person is the one that is listening to you a rating you're stoppers bonding on your social media no that is aunt right specifically for them on those topics at they're loving so you some other stuff i mean we're all interested in many many things and we have you were all complex people and we all have very many different interests and it's really tempting to bring in all these different interests and pieces into a year content ted that that doesn't work so good when you're trying to like grow and audience 'cause only something that audience is gonna be have those same interest so you need to really decide what is court to what you do and then work on the core pieces but i don't want you to feel you have to delete everything you've done and you you you know what it was was always bill the core first then what i want you to do is gauge interest you're audience has built in some of those sub niches that you have and you're interested in so if you focus on that audience an build up you you're readership and you're following on that it does open the door free allowed to explore some other sudden it just of that court topic so there may be some other things that this audience would also be interested in and you need to do your homework to understand it can't be two random but no sort of okay this is my core but secondary what are people who are inched in the core also interested in and that's how you can you know very you're topics and do things i said i guess i think we're still a little bit in terms of what you're doing online another tip i wanna give you on you're having to broaden inish and bringing it down is to really try to ground yourself itself in a specific problem that you're trying to solve for a specific audience so ask that question again so you can look at what people are engaging would aunt who is engaging in really defined that audience but but it really needs to be value based so you need to be again back offering value by solving problems providing solutions providing ideas and tips and all those sorts of good things things for a very specific audience that you know who they are and you can write to now what science it maybe you're just too narrow so you've started working on line and you have a super duper narrow niche well there's a lot of things you could do and some of it is really in your keyword research it end of things so there's a number of apps that you can look at their semi rash a neil patel has some good tools on keyword research there's a quite a few out there and i'll leave them on my show notes for you but what it does it allows you to see the volume up people who were googling or looking for the keywords a you're current niche now if you're nash is so narrowed down there is no demand for it an so people are looking for and they're not gonna find you and you won't get ranked and all the sort of thing so really what to do is go in and use one of these tools and have a look and see how many people are actually searching and using those key words that relate to what you're trying to offer them okay so let's say you've done that and you discover oh no there's like nobody interested in this is like way too narrow what do you do well you just bring it up step and broaden the niche same topic area but you could broaden it and try using those tools again and instead a guitar playing for monkeys perhaps i don't know i'm just randomly making that up you can you know bring it up so guitar playing for beginners or electric guitar for beginners or whatever it might be so you can take that really narrow natch ingest broaden it a bit so see again you don't have to go through all your hard work away and let it let it let it be part of your content but bring up that topic and start focusing on something a little bit broader not to brought a little bit broader and what you're trying to do is find that sweet spot in you're niche so what is it that people are responding to knowing exactly who you're audiences and what they need again because it may not be so many people looking for qatar tips for those with monkeys just say it so those tips for today so really you know take time to look and reflect on is you're gnashed to brought origin issue to narrow and is that impacting how things are going for you and and if it is make some subtle changes and tweak things and you could begin playing with that just on social media so before you change your website in those sort of things start you know looking at posting some different types of content that you might go go into and see what kind of response you're getting a follow people who are in be knish that you're looking for everybody does it a little bit differently see what problems they're solving find problems that nobody's solving that you think there's enough of an audience for in those sort of things so if you're if you've been going at it for quite a while and i say give yourself lots of time before you stress about it but if you're going at things for quite a while and you're just not seeing

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MBA1368 Must Read: Extreme Revenue Growth by Victor Cheng

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13:23 min | 1 year ago

MBA1368 Must Read: Extreme Revenue Growth by Victor Cheng

"Hey ooh welcome to the show were your business is our top priority every day with their daily business lessons for the real world when you read them and you're like wow I gotta make sure I have these in my business the first one is a target customer that is aware of his or her problem you are in your journey in your business so let's get into it let's get down to business emotionally draining you're asking yourself things like am I doing the right things is my editor business idea a good one does my website communicate the value I offer today's must read is extreme revenue growth by Victor Chang if extreme revenue growth was a movie would be an instant cult classic other entrepreneurs Giddy Free Fourteen Day trial and support the show by GONNA fizzle dot com slash Omar again to get started with a fourteen days support for today's show comes from fizzle. Let's be honest entrepreneurship can be lonely when you're working hard grinding away to make business a reality it can get mentally very powerful this book was recommended to me by Martel and it breaks down the systems you have to have in place in your business to grow he talks about the five key components to this growth engine without any of these five it's GonNa be really hard for you to grow and they make total sense revenue growth breaks the down the systems you need to have to grow your revenue in your business he explains what the systems are had implement them those coaching community and they're famous roadmap it's great how do I know well I've been a fiddler for over six years now join me and thousands of what effect they have on your business your customers and of course your bottom line the first chapter is all about the revenue growth engine you WanNa create tomake the revenue you need to survive and thrive what I love about this book the author Victor Chang He takes the concepts the practice I wish somebody can look over it get the support you need when you're starting and growing your business with fizzle fizzle can help you earn a living doing something you love they do this with training solve a problem to people that don't feel like they have that problem they're even aware they have the prom bigger like yes you have this problem and it's going to help you you need a customer that is aware the free trial go to F I Z Z L. 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Today's must read extremely says the things that work in big tech companies and simplifies him breaks them down and shows you how you can apply them to your small business in today's episode you have to have a target customer the has a problem but is also aware of this problem too many of us are trying to sell a product or service have the problem because then they're hungry I dilution number two the promise you make to your customers as a company what do you promise what result are you promising it's one of those books that has a lot of buzz a lot of people talking about it it's very niche it's very specific to SAS businesses software as a service but it's read episode on our must read episode I share with you a book that I've read as influence me as an entrepreneur I share with you it's insights takeaways and why you should read it too the insights I absolutely loved from this book this is one of the books who can read and reread I'll also share with you why you should read it and how it can help you bills a promise that you made to the customer it's got to fulfill the promise and number five a sustainable competitive advantage what is something to your customers number three eight distribution channel where you can transact with your customer number four a product or service that the we assist them in your business that allows you to grow exponentially and I want to go in the little detail in this chapter because it's so important book really lays down the foundation you have to have these five and you have to know them like the back of your hand so I recommend that when you pick up this book read this chapter twice that will line to be competitive with your competitors for the long-term more features price all that kind of stuff is sustainable and this first chapter in this any makes all the rules your customer is really the number one priority who you have to serve who have to win over because they have the money they're the ones I'm GonNa give you money so you can grow so one of the best things you can do is get to know your customer get to know them well we talked about customer interviews in an early being willing to change your target customer over time to adapt to changes in the market and in order for you to create new opportunities sometimes around understanding your customer very well is going to lie build a great experience for them where they're more than happy to give up their money this the move onto chapter two speaking of chapter two one of my favorite chapters in this book it's all about the customer Victor says in his book that the person with the money this is gross. You're going to need to change who you're going after as a customer Dan Martin who recommended this book teaches this concept where sometimes your episode understanding the motivations of your customer why they use your product why they would want to use your product the problems their ambitions their fears will mix them your features or your services you start catering to a bigger business than a little bit of a bigger business than a business five hundred employees then a business that's like an enterprise business so as you can see your target customer changes over Time Chapter Number Three love this chapter the book is fantastic but this is a very powerful you start out you're really targeting you know a very very small business maybe a solar poor but then as your business grows you start raising your prices you start improving you pull off this promise this Trifecta of unique compelling incredible is what gets people

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Episode 40: The Enneagram 1 Youth Worker

Youth Ministry Maverick: Mold-Breaking NextGen Investment

26:52 min | 4 months ago

Episode 40: The Enneagram 1 Youth Worker

"You're listening to youth ministry. Maverick a podcast about mode breaking methods to invest in the next generation of the church. Here's your host jeff hardy. What's going on everybody. This is jeff. Welcome back to youth ministry maverick. You're listening to episode forty the any graham one youth worker. We are currently in our eleven episode series called the youth worker. Any grand project so let's head into today's episode with the featured any graham coach and co host as well as the youth worker guest. All right this is the first interview of the youth worker. Any graham project excited to get this rolling and for today's episode my co host and the any graham coach is ainsley be ainsley. Welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited. And four. our first guest. We have mr dan martin. Dan men so happy to have you here. He tells a little bit about yourself. And your any graham numbers yes so. It's honored beyond beyond podcast with appreciate the invitation. I am a husband. a father. Youth pastor head of discipleship here at our church. Got an awesome wife Tom and four kids My oldest just turned seven. My youngest is about to turn one this weekend so Busy busy with family life and and and church life and it's real good grew up in harrisonburg virginia and the shenandoah valley and we moved up and took a youth are associate pastor role here at our church about four years ago and have been learning a lot about ministry and following the call that god has put on on our life and And yeah it's been a it's been a pretty awesome awesome write ups and downs and everything between and part of that really pushed me into some of this personality stuff So i am a instagram one wing. Nine and You you know that's been a pretty a foundational piece to me. Really understanding how operate in youth ministry in leadership with others and kind of approached. I take the scripture as well. So it's been a really powerful experiment or experience for me to to learn more and become more self aware and in it's really opened my eyes to to seeing a lot of nuances in others. I'm with so it's been a pretty crazy journey. So far. that's great man yes I think this series will be quite the journey and I'm in it to learn just as much as you are in anyone else. Because by far i am no any graham expert so i'm glad we do have one on here so ainsley could you give a little reminder of the dominant characteristics of any graham one. Yes so the any game. One is the reformer. They are the rational idealistic type. They're very principled purposeful self-controlled and perfectionist stick their basic fears of being corrupter evil and in their basic desires to to be good to have integrity or be balanced. Very cool so dan already touched on some of these things Oh and before you get to kind of aspects of your ministry. I did want to mention So each episode. I'll be referencing the poll that we did so we pulled almost thirteen hundred youth workers and got any graham numbers and the any graham one fell right in middle out of Twelve hundred and ninety seven People who voted one hundred and thirty seven of them so just over ten and a half percent Identifies any graham one so not super common but not rare so rather in the middle so Yeah you already touch on some of those kind of in your intro. But how have you understanding yourself as an integrated one. Where do you see yourself. Being successful in ministry. Because of how god has wired you sure so several traits of one one one of the things that ainsley mentioned was Idealist so like vision is natural for me like i get this ideal in my head of what what i want to accomplish or what i believe is right or what i what we need to pursue and and when i know that that's right and that's good and have like analyzed it from different angles and a heart level. I am very passionate and convicted about it. Because it's my mind is it's the right thing to do. It's what we're called to do. It's the way god is leading and so our role in that is to pursue that with all of our heart and chase after and get after it and and do our best to accomplish it And so vision is a huge thing in leadership It's been a huge benefit. In a lotta times i love i love dreaming conversations with with my with my other leaders Like what would happen if we did this. or what. Would this like if we could come up with these out of the box. Ideas that get people excited gain momentum so it's beneficial in a lot of ways leadership in that regard. There's there's also a perfectionist piece is a very right way to do things. And so i don't tend to be very wishy washy on things like when i had my mind made up. I got a plan and got a path and we're moving in that direction. And so those are two aspects that i think that have been pretty instrumental. Fundamental in in my leadership of the irony is like some of the greatest weaknesses are also rooted in in that and the strength and so those are two areas specifically that i think have really benefited my leadership and the ability to move before with groups of people. Very cool man. That is strong ainsley Can you expound on that a little bit For those who are listening. Who are any graham one youth workers. Where might they see those strengths. That dan mentioned and other things in their own ministry yeah. I love everything that dan said. I think it totally tracks especially with his wing witch and it will kind of get into an in a little bit but the thing that There's two things to mention him saying that he's not wishy. Washy is such a great leadership. Quality it. Because it's not to say that your mind can't be changed. Rope is to say that you're confident in the decisions that you're making in the leadership so it's easy to follow a confident leader. Who is not wishy washy. I love that. Love that gift of the ones and then the other thing which really Aligns is how they can see the imperfections and systems and they naturally know how to fix it. I mean there's a reason like arguing with the one is so it can be useless because they're usually you're right. I mean it just is. It's just the case they have thought things through and they see imperfections and systems. That can be a changed and exactly what he's talking about with. How vision is something that comes easy to him or that he loves it so awesome at such a gift of a one to be able to see that in able to really lead well in their vision without being wishy washy. It's it's truly a gift. I love that. About once a lot of my fulfillment comes from. It's like taking something that's either not great and making it awesome or taking something that's pretty good and tweaking a little bit and protecting it Like like those things after going through that process and sit back and look at it for what it is and what is become that is so rewarding to me. Then i mean that goes for anything for me in life with whether that's ministry or like i love handiwork so fixing up houses or renovating or you know projects like that where you take something and make it something. Awesome out of something just like kind of mediocre or not so great. So that's provided me a lot of fulfillment In in ministry and other things as well awesome. Well i have some contract for you if they whole youth mystery thing doesn't work out helping my house bro. I love warm weather. So texas sounds great. Texas has that in droves for you so you already kind of mentioned it which. I love your awareness. Strengths and weaknesses. Right so those kind of kind of go over into the to the weakness side so based on how god has wired you and just how you know your own tendencies. Where do you see places in ministry. That are difficult where you need help. You need to focus on because of how god has wired you. Yeah that's a. There's all kinds of all kinds of weaknesses here. I could talk on I think. I think that one of the one of the biggest challenges for me is that once i get a plan or have an idea. It's an established it as right. I've prayed through. I've thought through it. We were were headed that direction in my mind. It's the correct thing to do. Is the right thing to do is the best thing to do. And so have. I can have a really hard time accepting pushback or a change of plans because it's like what we already talked about this. This is the right way. So why are we changing plans now. Or why are we doing something different. Because if something's right than everything else has to be wrong just by my logic. So so there's there's that piece and and so. If i'm not careful i can push i can just push through thinks and and pushed through people and so what that does is that gathers a lot of people around me that share the vision and it really leaves people who are on the fringes or don't have that vision or haven't owned that vision can really leave them in a reloading place. And so i'd be real careful with how people are feeling on noticing areas of hesitation or concern or Maybe some new information has come in and it changes are path a little bit That's always a possibility. And so if i'm not careful i can think we got things figured out and we're moving and then all of a sudden when somebody says something. Okay this is frustrating. So changing gears can be difficult Along with that is a perfectionist peacecorps. Interesting thing is. I never really egg myself as a perfectionist until went through his exercise. Mainly because there's a lot of areas of my life that aren't perfect Namely like my closet at home. It close arachne. Reckon it and it's just like i keep it. I keep the door set so we won't have to look at all the time but it's one of those things where it's like. There's no hope that it'll be perfect. I don't have a good system down there so why clean it up. So so what. I've found out that through this whole process. My if something can't be accomplished or if i don't think something can be accomplished. I don't even try So that's that's also weakness because you even if you can't do something perfect you can take a step in the right direction. You can make some progress and And so one thing one phrase that my life coach has just repeated to me in a allowed me to take ownership of is just a simple like progress over. Perfection is an. That's that has moved mountains in my in my work and in my life because it's like you know what i don't know the exact right way to do this but i can't take. I can't take a step in a positive direction. And so net. Perfectionist pieces a huge one. That can be a great thing because we want to make things as good as we can at the same time. If i'm not careful it can lead to not being able to accept something not perfect. Another another piece with perfectionist aspect is if or what can be perfect then. I just don't do anything at all. And so i don't move. I don't just sit. I just sit and wait. Until i figure things out and and just sitting still not doing anything not knowing where to go can be frustrating also tied to both of those pieces. I noticed a lot here on one in one stretch tied to those pieces as well is a tendency to micromanage so if i had the exact right picture in mind of what. We're going for what we're after what we're looking for. It can be hard for me to accept someone else's less than a effort. Yeah if someone's not doing something. The way that i think should be done. It's easy for me to take over. And and do it. The way that i want done instead of noticing progress in them and encouraging them and strengthening them and even being open to the idea that like their way might be better than mine. You know. that's something that i have to remind myself. And and that sounds really arrogant and prideful in that. So it's hard to admit but at the same time that's kind of how my my brain naturally functions and so being aware of this and huge to be able to humble myself and trust others and encourage others and help help them mature very cool. Thank you man. Yeah that was good easily Where would you expound upon that for any ones who are listening who might be struggling in ministry themselves. Yeah i mean everything that dan said again was so spot on and the one thing that i want everyone to know is that the lord's voice is not the same voice as your inner critics voice. The one has such a harsh inner critic and know it's just the most critical tone that just repeats over and over and over and over in their heads so while while you ask the question about dan's weaknesses and he was like. Oh you know. there's a list. Yeah unfortunately because his inner critic has a list for him right and it's all true. So while i do think you know it's funny because like sure there's weaknesses in every number. The ones weaknesses. I always kinda shy away from in talking about because they already know it. You know an inefficient. In if i say something it's like oh gosh. It's even heavier right. It's even heavier because someone else said it so it must be true. Not only did my inner critic say it but someone said it now The one area that. I will say that i i just generally speaking ones Could always work better. At is having a critical tone when they don't mean to rights they're so used to their inner critic that whenever they try and help someone else. It could come off as critical in how they're talking so just being aware of that. And and dan actually mentioned that he's was talking about being careful of how people are feeling. And that's exactly one way to To gauge that gauge your gagarin town as you're communicating with people and leading them in in the workplace and exactly how he was saying was pretty much analysis. Paralysis is something that happens with ones so again. I would just emphasize that. Laura's not beating you down and telling you you know that you're doing a terrible job ended. I mean your advancing. The kingdom you're leading youth. Had some of the hardest work there is. I mean we are a special breed youth workers and zone absolutely just i just want to drive home. That that inner critic must be silenced. And it's it's nearly impossible so really it must be managed and it must be combated. Think it's really important how you mentioned criticism from someone else. Validating the criticism within myself. The same can be true on the opposite end where the harder ammo myself harder. I am on other people often. Yeah so so then. It is easy to accidentally talk in a condescending manner or talk down to people when when the truth is it's okay to observe things that are going on but but the goal is to step into that with them rather than make them fix it before they before they come alongside you in so growing compassionate and growing in walking alongside others has been something that is a during that i've been on for sure But yeah i appreciate that that word on on the inner critic because that is a that is a tough against a tough one Absolutely i always feel for once. My heart is always so heavy for once because like the tape. That's going on in your head is like they breaks my heart for one. Yeah i've had a few youth leaders in my ministry or leaders Of mine when i was a student who thinking back now i can identify as men. They were a one and something. I've learned To be able to talk to them about Was bribed to me. When i was in college bible study and i've latched onto it and it's not quite the same but it's similar for maybe students. We know who are wired like that. Is god values your availability more than your ability. So if you're just open to yeah you might take some criticism but know that it's given it's given in the sense of love and trust and wanting to encourage iron sharpening iron not beating over the head with a hammer right and we are going to fail. And i know for one because of that. Inner wait that failure feels like you are crashing through rock bottom right. It's good for us to be able to recognize that and kind of buffer that criticism with things that they also do well and to say look. We're on this journey of being sanctified growing more into the likes of jesus as we go. And i'm as broken as you are anyone else's and these things that i speak to your out of experience because i've screwed up because i've thought about these things and i want you to be able to learn. See yourself for who you are. How god loves you. How he values you and Yeah i think that can be a really cool spiritual lesson personally for one but also being able to bring that across the students who might be feeling the exact. Same way yeah. Yeah and. I'm glad you mentioned failure to because one concept that that's been brought to me. That's really been a groundbreaking. Concept is is failing forward so the tendency of myself. But i'm assuming most ones is that like if you fail at something that feels like the end. Is this like i. Yeah i'm at rock-bottom like you're talking about But the whole idea of like learning and growing through failure. I mean we know we know that we learn most and gross through failure but at the same time it's like it feels like the worst thing in the world. So yeah you're taking those moments of what we would call failure and in failing forward making some mistakes and learning and growing from them is a step in the right direction. Even though it's not the perfect path that we had in mind to begin with definitely So we mentioned wings. A little bit ainsley. Could you remind us from our inter episode for those listening. A wing is in the ingraham system. Yes so a wing Those are the numbers adjacent to your main type. I like to call them the salt and pepper of your personality You season your personality just right. You can pull from each of those wings and some flavor in spice to your personality But over powering your main type in doing too much would take away who you really are. So that's what. I would like to kind of describe buildings ass. Yeah and dan. you said you're a wing nine Can you mentioned one or two points where you see that kind of influence your ministry. Yeah i hate conflict the huge. It's a huge influence her. Yeah i i care about people. I want i want them to live in harmony with each other and i want them to. I want things to go well and for things to be good And and so you know that heart a heart for people in heart for their wellbeing and their relationships like in their relationship with god. That's so important Because i want what's best for them at the same time. It can lead me to running from conflict. And i think we all know that the best way to make a a big problem is to ignore small problem and so if we just ignore small problems continually they eventually get bigger and bigger and bigger and blah in our face and so when i was in a more unhealthy place in my personality i would avoid conflict. I would run from it. I would hope it didn't happen Everything kinda be couched in that light. But since i've grown in health a little bit in my personality i have been able to see those areas of discomfort in conflict as kind of a window into their heart and soul to be able to ask questions and just get to know them on a deeper level and understand what's going on in them in the way that they think and how they're feeling and why they're feeling that way and and so it's if we're an unhealthy spot avoiding and just avoiding every every piece of conflict It can be a huge detriment but if we're at a at a place where we can step into it and use it as opportunity for growth. It can be a huge asset. Very cool thank you for that ainsley. So someone who's a wing nine. We kind of have that ideal. So if someone's listening they're saying hey. I'm a one wing to what might that. Look like for someone in ministry. Yes the one Wing nine is actually called the idealist. And they're definitely bigger picture thinking They're more Pulled by the state of the world in concerned their hardest heavier with the state of the world and then the one wing to is the advocate and they are usually more. They're just more soft. They're more like empathetic in Able to access the motions of not only themselves but other people as well and Figure out exactly how to serve the person in front of them cool and you can pull from both dan. So don't worry. You can be an advocate to right and dan's actually said a few things that track with the two so it as i am hearing him say that he's a one wing nine mainly but i definitely can send him pulling The benefits of that to wing as well. So that's fun fun for you. It's been great to to maybe tracker trans a little bit more that way. Because i had been so much on the one side that i would. I would have trouble. Connecting with individuals ends yes. everything was was controlling. everything so It's been awesome to step into solicitation ships in that way. Yeah very cool. Well dan this has been a great first interview. Thank you for starting us off so well Wish you won't you ministry man be praying for you If i get the chance to connect with you up at the national youth workers convention later this year. That'd be great Ainsley thank you so much for being on here. Look forward to our future interviews and conversations. Yeah this'll be fun. So thank you both. Thank you both appreciate abney on that concludes. Today's episode. Thanks again to ainslie the co host and andy. Graham coach and dan our youth worker. Guest if you haven't already please subscribe to this podcast wherever you're listening to it and remember you can catch all of the episodes in this series if you missed any at our website youth ministry. Maverick dot com. 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March 11, 2019: Hour 2

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March 11, 2019: Hour 2

"Support for here. And now comes from legalzoom presenting this message with over seventeen years and more than two million customers. Legalzoom provides helpful support legal advice and transparency for business. Owners. More information at legalzoom dot com slash now. High here now podcast listeners. This is Peter O'Dowd. I've got a favor to ask of you. If you could just take a few minutes, go to here now dot org slash survey. It's all one word can tell us more about yourself. It's gonna take less than five minutes in your feedback will help us improve this podcast here. Now dot org slash survey. Answer just a few questions again. It's here now dot org slash survey. And thanks from NPR and WB. You are I'm Peter O'Dowd. I'm Robin young. It's here. Now as expected the president released a new budget proposal today it slashes domestic programs in State Department funding, well, ramping up military spending. And it includes. More than eight billion dollars to fund the border wall. Even as the Senate will probably vote against the president's emergency declaration at the southern border as soon as this week, which promises to be another event. One on Capitol Hill and pure White House. Correspondent Mara Liasson is here Maura. Hi there. And let's listen for a second White House. Economic adviser Larry cudlow defending Trump's request for border wall spending. This is on Fox News Sunday. I would you say that the whole issue of the wall and border security is paramount importance. We have a crisis down. There think the president has made that case very effectively. It's a crisis of economics. It's a crisis of crime and drugs. It's a crisis of humanity. Polls show. Most Americans don't think the president has made this case there's certainly issues at the border, but not maybe that would be addressed by the wall. This is an uncommon. You know, you've been telling us for a budget to be DO way. But so what is the significance of it? The significance of the wall is very high for the president. This has become the number one priority for him. It's almost a symbol of his presidency. And of course, that has helped have Democrats see stopping it as a symbol of their opposition to him. But he believes that even though the border wall is not popular with a majority of Americans certainly shutting down the government or declaring a national emergency to fund it is even less popular. But with his base, it's very popular. He considers it a core campaign promise, and he wants to show his supporters that he is doing everything possible to build that mean another government shutdown though, that far we don't know. But it certainly could sure. Okay. Well, the president also propose these dramatic cuts mentioned to domestic programs to rain in the. The ballooning federal deficit. But you know, that a lot of chatter over the weekend seems to be that no one seems to care about the deficit as they did in the past. I think both parties have really given up trying to wear the mantle of fiscal responsibility. This used to be one of the Republicans core beliefs, but Donald Trump cut taxes by a lot. And he raised the deficit on his watch more than any of his predecessors in his budget. Now, he does have some cuts to domestic spending, which I think he will point to to say he's trying to do something about the deficit. He's got the EPA down by thirty one percent State Department down by twenty three percent military spending is up, but the deficit is just not an animating political issue. The way it used to be and don't forget the president actually campaigned on not just getting rid of the deficit, but getting rid of the entire national debt. Take a look at the other side of the Democrats beginning this week last week. And what with with what was seen as a real fumble on that? What was supposed to be an anti semitism? Resolution that became a much broader resolution against hate Democrats. Also, having trouble defining themselves as Republicans happily redefining them as socialists, some of the presidential candidates are democratic socialist. But that means things like government run health. It does not mean Karl Marx, but they seem not able to define themselves. I mean, what's your sense of Democrats this week? Well, I think that Democrats are having trouble defining what they mean by socialism. We know what the president mean, he he's labeling Democrats as the party of socialism, which he means, Cuba and Venezuela. He says Democrats want to nationalize industry and have the government run everything. Most Democrats want a strong social safety net. That's what they mean when they respond, positively to socialism, they wanna foreseeable healthcare in college and retirement and housing, and this is something you're going to hear a lot about on the campaign trail. You have Elizabeth Warren talking about how she believes in markets markets properly. Regulated Bernie Sanders, of course, is on the other side. He does have a proposal that would nationalize the entire healthcare industry released the health insurance industry. So this is something you're going to hear Democrats talk a lot about I think that right now there have allowed the president to define what socialism is. But I think as time goes on you're going to hear them get more specific about what it means to them. And just to remind ourselves emergency declaration of the Senate vote is expected this week for Republicans still saying they'll join the Democrats in voting it down. That's right. It probably will lose in the Senate, but the president will veto it. And there are not enough votes in the house or Senate to override his veto. So then the whole fight moves to the courts, which will go on for some time. So it's interesting that he's asking for eight billion dollars more for the wall in a budget. That's landing on Capitol Hill exactly in the same week. That the Senate is about to vote down his emergency declaration to build the wall with money that congress has not appropriated NPR's Mara Liasson. Thank you. Thank you. Now to the serious questions raised today about the safety of Boeing's new seven thirty seven max airplane after an Ethiopian Airlines flight of that model crashed Sunday with one hundred and fifty seven people on board. There was a similar deadly lion. Aircrash in October on the same type of plane officials say a central factor in that crash was a new anti-stalking flight control system. Joining us now is Dennis Taylor. A pilot for American Airlines and a spokesman for the union. He also flies the new seven thirty seven max eight captain, welcome. Thank you, push your here. Now, it is still far too early to know if the cause of this crash is the same as that Lyon aircrash last year, but what's your reaction are you suspicious? Absolutely. Clearly, we have to wait for all the facts that come in. But it did happen in. Similar flight regime and had characteristics that are early some similar to the liner incident. But it does not mean that that is the automated system that kicked in we weren't aware of prior to lion air kicked in. So we are waiting all the details, but just like any human experience or pilots are humans and they're starting to call the question. What information don't I have in? You're referring to the fact that Boeing had left out the information about this new flight control system from its manuals. I assume for this new plane that is correct from the pilot manual what we study and prepare for the information was absent it was zero. Can we talk about some of the clues that we do have in this crash in Ethiopia a witness described the flight as swerving and dipping before it crashed? And it also does look like that the altitude fluctuated a lot during the few minutes that the plane was flying are those the characteristics that you mentioned that that sound similar to you. Yeah, they do sound similar. There's no doubt about it. But it doesn't necessarily mean that this was the the issue that that caused the crash to happen. So we're going to get that information. And we're gonna move from there with the facts are pilots are asking those questions. Now, they're asking about additional training. They're asking you about what information they may not have that they thought they should have had before. So it's very stressful time for men and women out there, but they're going to hold the standard of having a safe aircraft for our our passengers they hold that calling very high because we're on that airplane with our passengers, no no mystery about that. Sure. What about the training? Have you gotten any new training whatsoever on how to fly these aircraft should others beginning? Unfortunately, the FAA certified this new aircraft in the US. We had fifty six minutes of an ipad lesson for some of the differences. So we've asked for more training American after the lion air incident provided us immediate ground school training on a new system, which was helpful. But we employed them to purchase simulators. So that we get hands on experience. They have a purchase simulators will be getting them later this year and start training on them. And we look forward to additional simulators. Through the coming months, but you're saying you were trained on an ipad. And that's it. What does that even mean? Yes, we received an ipad lesson. Fifty six minutes long, basically slides and some audio to describe some of the differences on the seven thirty seven max. Because at the time the FAA and still to this day approved that as the required training for pilots. We found it to be certainly the absolute minimum. Our pilots have been out there flying the aircraft. I've flown it. And I felt comfortable, but it's taken a lot more time, and you have to be very diligent in what you do and do a little a quite a bit of pre study. Well, let me ask you if you were confronted with this situation in a cockpit during a flight where the anti-stalking system kicked in and you were fighting against it, would you know, what to do. I would now I wouldn't have known before lion. Aircrash well because I had no idea that system even existed before the line aircrash. That's the difference today are each and every one of our seven thirty seven pilots knows as soon as these things kick in where to go to stop that runaway system, China and Indonesia have grounded their fleets of seven thirty seven max, eight jets should the United States be doing the same thing. I think we have to clearly look at it. We're we're not in a position to say whether that should happen. But clearly every stakeholder is talking about this. So we want to take a disciplined approach to it. But not let perfection getting away of progress. So this is about protecting passengers and crews and the land underneath the aircraft that the aircraft fly over. But certainly you could understand the flying public at this point might be getting nervous if they step on board a Southwest Airlines jet or an American Airlines jet that it's one of these new seven thirty seven max aircrafts. They're going to be nervous. Sure. Absolutely. There's going. To be a there's a shaken confidence in that. So you have to rest rest assured that un-american in south west, we know them, very, well, those pilots highly trained, and we're up to date now on the system the system that you spoke of, but we're out there as a defender in an advocate for our passengers. And we're asking those hard questions, and we're asking them from a basis of expertise. So we're going to get through this. And we're not going to be quiet about it. And we're going to render our opinion, we get the information very strongly because we're on aircraft with our passengers and our task is to protect them at all costs. That's Dennis teacher who flies Boeing's new seven thirty seven max eight airplane for American Airlines. He's also a spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association, captain Taylor. Thanks for your time for Sheva. Thank you, sir. And what's it like to come face to face with a great white shark? Will Bryan scary is one person who knows as a National Geographic photographer. He spent more than ten thousand hours just a few feet from the animals in two thousand seventeen he published a book of his pictures aptly, titled shark I spoke with him then about how unlike most wildlife, photographers, he's usually within touching distance of his subjects, you know. I don't know that most people think about that. But as an underwater photographer, you know, I don't have the luxury that my terrestrial counterparts do where you can use a six hundred millimeter lens or maybe sit in a camouflage blind for month waiting for some allusive animal. I have to get into the ocean unlimited by the air supply on my back and got to get real close. How close right on the lens practically, you know, t to get great pictures particularly of animals like sharks, you need to be close to the ocean. Axes at giant filter. It it refracted light it reflects light it scatters light. And usually need to add a little light to bring back color and detail. So, you know, three feet is ideal between your Cameron the subject, but sometimes even closer, and I asked that because you have to get close to animals that would terrify most people there's a section in your book written by Eric Vance. And it's about great whites. And I want to read a little bit about it. He says that meeting one in the wild is nothing like you'd expect at first glance. It's portly bordering on fat, like an overstuffed sausage from the side. One of the world's greatest predators is little more than a slack jawed buffoon. It's only when it turns to face you that you understand why it's the most feared animal on earth. Yeah. Is that what it was like for you? Well, that's a very interesting description. I spent time in the field with Eric, and I was sort of amused at that description, but at times, yeah, I think you know, with the great white that is accurate. But he's absolutely right. That when you're sort of nose to nose with an animal like this where you see it sort of a protein you from that head on view. You know, you're you have this primal sort of reaction. I think so how do you handle that? Are you always in a cage? I'm only in a cage with great whites. At least. That's my sort of protocol. There are people who do choose to swim with great whites without a cage. But so far I haven't seen that as a really good thing to do. But, but you know, it's really the only species everything else Mekos blue sharks tiger sharks. Whatever not in a cage. And and that's because number one for photography. It's better to sort of be out there, you know, having more mobility, and and being able to move in and get close, but it's also a testament to the animals that the that, you know, despite popular belief, they're really not nearly as bad as they've been portrayed. Is there a time that you've been down there and you've felt in danger? Well, there was a there was a moment on an expedition. I did a five week expedition. To a place called the southern line islands. One of the most remote Korea systems in the world and the central South Pacific also like going back in time. So these coral reefs were probably like the rest of the world was hundreds of years ago, and they're very predator heavy lots of sharks. I was dining when night at millennium atoll at well not night, but just at dusk at at sunset and my sister. And I ended up being sort of surrounded by probably in excess of sixty grey reef, sharks sharks rebuke animals, but they can have a bit of an attitude, and they were you know, aggressive. They sort of will come in hot as I say normally if an animal does that you can sort of bounce it with your camera a little bit, and they usually deterred, but you hit the shark with your camera. Yeah. They'll come in and sort of bounce their nose off it in. And if you push back a little bit they usually deter. But in this case, they weren't doing that the lead shark was doing like a three sixty coming back in and behind that was five and behind that was another ten, and you know, it wasn't a it was. A situation. There's an alpha like in a pack of dogs. It almost seemed that way I don't know the science behind that. But that's how they were sort of behaving kind of like, I envision a wolf pack. But again that is totally anomalous. That's not my usual experience that one experience versus countless that were very benign and good when you're taking pictures underwater. What's it like to get perspective? Right because you're working in this very foreign backdrop where you probably don't have a lot of ways to reference size and scale, and yet that's a really important part of taking pictures of a shark that is so good. And and rarely I dunno ever have. I been asked that. But it's true. And I talk about that in the book as well that you know, to the degree that I can do it. I want to show sharks within their world within their habitat. Whether it's a coral reef or a temperate zone, or whatever it might be a mangrove nursery where baby sharks might live. But I do think that context is very important to human understanding of these animals to to see them. Something more than just this, you know, villainous shape up in the blue void. Sometimes it means having a person in the picture to give scale or shark cage or some reference point that we can process in our brains and say, all right. That's shark is about this big. And you know, but it's an important part of the equation. And it helps frame the context of these animals and their world and conservation is actually a pretty big part of your book, especially near the end. And it's a little disturbing actually because you've taken images of people as soon there poachers of some kind or hunters that are cutting the fins off of sharks. And I assume the bodies are also just sort of left on the on the beach to rot the staff that you use is that industrial fishing is responsible for most of the one hundred million shark deaths every year one hundred million. I mean, how is that possible? Yeah. It's hard to fathom really. But it's it's not only possible. But it's been going on for a long time. Most researchers that I've talked to about this say that it could be. A conservative number that the number could be as high as one hundred and seventy or two hundred million largely for their fins. Are we talking about, you know, soup in China, or is that's exactly what we're talking about? Yeah. The shark fin soup trade, but they're also being harvested in many cases for low cost sources of ingredients for cosmetics and many different products out there of, but the fin trade is the biggest offender, according to everything that I know and to your point about poaching in many cases. No, it's it's completely legal. What these folks are doing, and, you know, countries sanctioned it so big part of my work as Ben to sort of show these animals as something far more than villains as demons. They've often been portrayed to show that they're complex that they have personality and that they are important to the health of the ocean. If we can get to a point where we can see their magnificence, maybe we can move that dial away from from killing them, you write that the population of the ocean. White tip shark had never even heard of that animal before is. Is down to one percent of its historic population. How endangered is that species? And is that the most endangered species? I party question. It's extremely endangered. It's on the brink of extinction. This is an animal the oceanic white tip shark, which is pelagic animal lives out in the blue water of the deep of the ocean. An animal that has to be especially efficient at hunting and good at what they do as recently as the nineteen seventies. This is an animal that was listed by scientific literature as the most abundant large animal on planet earth large, meaning anything more than one hundred pounds. So it went from the nineteen seventies being the most abundant large animal on planet earth to being on the verge of extinction today, mostly hunted for their fins, not unlike the passenger pigeon, or what we did to the American bison almost wiping that out. So it you. Yes, it is critically endangered. It is on the verge, and that's a substantial loss in in. Just a few decades. Is that the most endangered? I I don't know the answer to that. I I certainly think that they're probably. Others in that same category. But it is it is without question. One of the most endangered, and I think that story speaks volumes. It's fascinating because these animals have been on earth for four hundred fifty million years. They've they've survived five mass extinctions on this planet and yet generally speaking now, they're having trouble. Yeah. That's right. And that's part of the story. You know that they have been around so long they've remained unchanged for millions of years hundreds of millions years because they have evolved to be perfect for the environment in which they live. But yet these anthropogenic stresses that are current today. Obviously, the the overfishing in the hunting bid habitat loss and pollution and plastics. And all the other things that are happening in the ocean. The oceans dying a death of thousand cuts, and it's affecting sharks. But everything else. But can you understand why people are afraid of them and why it might be hard to drum up sympathy sharks? Because as we're we're children were taught one of the first things we're taught his that they can bite through. License plates in cans of paints, and you go to the beach and when you're a kid. That's that's the first thing you're afraid of when you go into the water. Well, absolutely. And this is the premise from which I started knowing that, you know, I too as a child was taught those things and believe those things, but I've come to see a very different view of these animals, and I do think that we can respect predators in the ocean. Just like we do grizzly bears. Or Tigers lions, you know, all these wolves whatever we understand their magnificence. And I think what's been lost to a large extent with sharks? Is that complexity? We we don't necessarily see them as a majestic creature the way, we do a pack of wolves in Yellowstone, you know, but I think photography can conserve that purpose, and it can help people to understand that a shark is not a shark is not a shark that each species is different. They have unique biology's they have unique morphology, and if we can see them as something incredible. You know that a Mako shark can swim sixty miles an hour. Our is into thermic it can generate heat knits body. And that a great white the great whites off Cape Cod. Live to seventy years old. And they have these enigmatic patterns that we don't fully understand you where do they go where do they what wisdom might they possess? And then again, you know, making that connection to a healthy ocean are healthy lives to humans. I think that's all part of the equation. That was National Geographic wildlife photographer. Bryan scary. I spoke with him in two thousand seventeen we'll have pictures from the book at here now dot org, and we went looking for other shark news. And what do you know, we found some it's taken thirty years, but university of Rhode Island's shark researcher, Bradley Wetherby is finally named the shark species. He discovered in the nineteen nineties the deep sea creature has been dubbed Leyla 's lantern, shark the bio luminescent shark is three feet. Long lives a thousand feet below sea level has a prominent snout that distinguishes it from other lantern sharks? He named the shark after his daughter Layla who is presumably not. Essence though, full of light in other ways. I'm sure. Here. And now is supported by legalzoom to want you to know that if you wanna make twenty nineteen year you finally start a business or secure your family's future. Legalzoom can help with their network of independent attorneys. Licensed in all fifty states legalzoom can help you navigate your legal needs from wills and trusts to LLC's trademarks contract, reviews and more. And the best part is legalzoom is not a law firm. So they don't charge by the hour. More at legalzoom dot com slash now. It was a rare moment last night the Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell sitting down for an interview with Scott Pelley on CBS is sixty minutes bowel. Repeated the message he related to congress about two weeks ago. The US economy still looks pretty good. We have high levels of employment, low levels of unemployment wages are moving up, but Powell also touched on problems with the US economy like cyber threats and why so many Americans still aren't working. Let's bring in Jill Schlesinger. She's business analyst with CBS news and host of Jill on money. Hi, Jill and loan. So the two things people most want to know, especially after this really crummy jobs report last week just twenty thousand new jobs in February is the economy headed for a recession, and is the fed gonna raise rates what I have to say last night. You know, the chairman base that they said that the economic outlook is really pretty good and forgetting about that one report, and that job creation number he continued to describe this as an economy with low inflation, which is very good for most consumers. He's very happy about the fact that people are getting jobs and with the second part of your question. The fed is now said it's going to be patient to see about what goes on around the world with the economy, but they're pretty much on the sidelines right now. So I would not expect any rate hike anytime soon a lot of economists believe that they are done for the year, and maybe for this whole rate hiking cycle. There was also this interesting moment when? Scott Pelley, asked if the United States will ever again see sustained four percent growth in Powell said, no, it's not likely because the labor force is growing. So slowly Jill weigh in on that because we know the Trump administration would really love to say otherwise about that growth rate. Yeah. I mean, I think that three percent was great last year. What we now know is that we've slowed down already this year. And what hell said is that look aren't we the labor force? That's growing pretty old at this point back when we saw four or five percent growth rates in decades ago, we were seeing a much quicker growing labor force. So now with an older population. We just cannot expect as much I think that three percent is about as good as it's going to get and pal seemed to indicate that as well. He says right now with the labor force growing at just less than one percent a year. We're not going to see that three percent or even four percent growth anytime soon, and it's not just that the labor force is aging that a lot of young people aren't working Powell. James technology, outpacing education, you mentioned globalization and even the opioid crisis. Here's more of that interview. I mean, you seem to be talking about part of this generation being lost. That is the issue. Jill lost generation. Really? That's very powerful. Yeah. I found that to be one of the most compelling parts of this interview. And I think that's got did a good job in kind of going down that route because we're talking about the economy doing well, and certainly Powell talks about the economy doing well. But there are a number of Americans who have not participated, we noticed this in areas that are specially the rural areas of the United States that have not kept pace with some of the big population centers, and it's all well and good for Powell to say it's about education, but that seems like cold comfort to those who have been shut out of economic growth recently because they can't go and get educated. Right. This second when fed chairman talks markets often move. What are you? What are we seeing today? Anything? No. I don't think that there's. He said anything he really didn't make news. I think the biggest thing that he did say which raise some IRAs was that. He's worried about cyberterrorism more than anything else, Jill lessons, your business analyst for CBS news and host of Jill on money. Thanks so much. The CDC estimates that every year in the US twenty four thousand pregnancies and instill birth some expected and for medical reasons mother's still have to deliver. Anyway, some shock all profoundly sad until recently. These infants were whisked away stunned parents told you can have another let thinking has changed. There are support groups parents are encouraged to mourn their stillborn child. And now they may have more time to do that because of a device called a cuddle Kat. It's essentially a pretty bassinet the stillborn child appears asleep in it. But underneath there's a refrigerator unit to preserve the child's body. So that parents can preserve some memories. This is a very tender topic. It may not be for everyone and a cuddle cop may not be either. But it's so helped Emily and Chris Frick after their boy and girl twins were still born at twenty two weeks and four days that they've donated these nearly three thousand. Dollar cuddle cuts to hospitals in Illinois and want wanna do more. They join us now from Pingree grove, Illinois. Emily you there? Hi, yes. I'm here. And Chris you're there as well. And so tough we so appreciate your talking about this for other parents, but I'm imagining it's it's it's still hard, Emily. Dear Emily, can you hear me? Yeah. I can hear you. I'm just trying to get my words out. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Take your time. I think it spent about six months now. And this still very difficult to talk about at the same time. Chris, and I do still like to talk about it because it brings awareness to people who don't understand the situation. We didn't know that this could happen to people before it happened to us with it being our first pregnancy. So if we had maybe been able to hear somebody else's story before we could maybe a little bit more prepared. Yeah. I don't know that any you know, anything Canada. He what you're saying. And what you're saying to maybe about the cuddle cod about the possibilities, and Chris obviously so sorry for both of you. And when this hit you like, a, I'm sure an and Ville, did you have any clue that you could do some of these things that thankfully, people are talking about hold your twins, for instance. No, not at all. We I learned about the cuddle cut from her delivery nurse who was was wonderful huntings Britney. She was with us the entire evening. And we knew that are twins probably weren't gonna make it just based on. They're just asional age. What we didn't know is that we would be able to spend really as long as we wanted with them. And we got to spend that I diverse hour hour and a half with them. Just kind of holding them telling them how much we loved them. We got them Pap ties while they were still with us the cod. Afforded us the paternity for all of our family to also be able to hold them be able to you know, kinda get get to know them as much as they can. And just kinda agreed with us with the twins in the room with us. But everybody holding them instead of just being able to give Emily, and I hug, and I thought that was really. Impactful in its is said that there's a lot of hospitals in the country that don't have one. So there's a lot of parents that approach losing child without having that immediate support right there. And and of course, family is supportive, and the doctors are supportive, but there's nothing like being able to just hold onto your child for just a little bit longer. I just wanna stay with that feeling of being able to be you know, with the twins longer. I think of my own mother who, you know, had several children whisked away, and she would talk about her arms aching, you know, physical ache can can you can you help people understand why this isn't ghoulish to you. Which people hearing it might think it is. No. It is something that is definitely a decision that you have to make with between you and whoever your you had the child with or even if you're just on your own to stay with your child even after they've passed, but the opportunity to be able to do that the cuddle cut offers is. At least it's an option for people to do that in spend time with their children or child if they didn't want to use it they didn't necessarily have to. But at least it was offered in that was something that was important to Chris and night when we were doing the donations of the cuddle cuts to hospitals. We chose was that they agreed to at least offer it to every family that had a loss on give them not to spend time with their what their baby or babies in. If they didn't want to use it then they didn't have to. But at least it was available to them. If if they chose to do it, can you explain how as your husband has what it meant to you. I mean, it may not be for everyone. But what did that mean to you to be able to hold them? I think for me it was. Like spending a lifetime with them in a few hours. And I'm very glad that we made the decision to do that. I wouldn't trade a for anything. Will you have a go fund me account in their honor our boys name, Silas, girls, the civil? Yeah. And that that's important too. I mean again back in the day parents were told don't name these children. Don't, you know, don't get too attached to the idea? But what is this meant that not just naming baptizing? I'm sure you're going to tell your future children about them. What does that mean to you? You know, for me, it just it makes them human because they they are they were you know, they were here with us. And we had just bought a new house shortly after finding out that we were pregnant I had picked up of pain for their nursery today that Emily actually went into into labor with them. Obviously, not knowing we had just decided on their names about a week or two before I think it was a week before they were as much a part of our life as any other child, and I sincerely mean that even if they're not here with us. Now, you know, I I really do feel like carry them with me every single day. I wish it was in a different way time, I'm driving to work. You know, I bought a new vehicle, and I always thought about what it's like to have them in in my truck with me and every single day when I'm driving to work or I'm driving home from work. It's pretty much all I think about and so. So, you know, you're right. A lot of people in the past, you know, heaven named their child that has has passed, and that's okay too. But it's also K to let a child that didn't make it still be a part of your life. You know, it's okay. To to still carry that child with you in. You're absolutely right. We will tell our future children about them. Because it's not something that it's not a story that were shy about sharing. It's it's important. It's important for for us to carry them with us. It's important for other people to know that they were here, they're part of our family, and it's important for people that we don't know to know that there's other people out there that can help support them. That's Chris Tucker. An Emily flicker their boy and girl twins born at twenty two weeks four days and the Frick return to something called a cuddle Kat. We're going to have all sorts of information at here now dot org, including their go fund me site such an important conversation. I will tell you this just from the front lines. We still talk about my brothers twin who didn't make it. Her name was Wendy seventy years ago. I mean, we've we plan on telling or future kids about them. You know, we it's something that I don't I don't ever want to. I don't ever want to forget about any of the emotions that I felt or. Yeah. I mean, that's just it's it's okay. That some people do want to forget about that. But that's that's not. That's not. I wish you both the best. Thank you for some identical to. I hope I hope that helps we're about halfway to being able to donate a third. And so I think this'll be able to help with that. Emily, chris. Thank you so much. And we wish you the best. Thank you. Thank you rabbi. And we have linked to the gofundme page and the cuddle cut here now dot org. Each year fishing boats. Pull billions of Pollock from the Bering Sea a billion dollar industry. Sustains thousands of well paying jobs from boat captains and deckhands to the processors who transformed Pollock into oil fish paste. And yes, fish sticks. But the Bering Sea is warming up in the future for Pollick is uncertain net. Hers of Alaska's energy desk took a trip on a fishing boat. To learn more. It's just before midnight is Captain Dan Martin steers the one hundred thirty three foot Commodore out from the Alaska port of Dutch harbor around a spit into open waters of the Bering Sea. It's calm now. But Martin is already pushing his engine to cover the one hundred miles to the fishing grounds. A little faster than usual. He's in a hurry to beat some bad weather. Oh, it's imminent, you know, ten to fourteen foot seas. But it's going to be right on our bow coming home. We're going to be pounded into it. Martin has been fishing for Pollock for more than three decades. And he has a pretty good feel for where to find them. He now manages a fleet of nine Pollock boats for company called evening star fisheries. Sure enough by the next morning. The sooner shows the Commodore camped out over a thick school of Pollock from the bridge. Martin uses a PA system to coordinate with four man crew on deck as they start pulling in the net. Paula girl. Low-value fish Martin's catch will sell for about thirty cents a piece, but more than one hundred thousand of them can fit into a single net load on the Commodore they'll ultimately be processed into things like fish, sticks fillets fish, sandwiches, and Sereni that fake crab stuff that you can sometimes find in sushi, it's a major industry responsible for more than ten thousand jobs. According to the McDowell group and Alaska based research firm, but it's also directly dependent on the stability of the Bering Sea ecosystem and Martin says that lately fishermen have been noticing some changes in that ecosystem. I think across the board. Everybody has a story about something that they haven't seen before winter is the season went Pollock or spawning and fishermen seemed to be able to find them pretty reliably. But there's a second fishing season in the summer. And that's when things are starting to get a little funny Bering Sea temperatures last year. Whereas. As much as nine degrees higher than normal and federal managers tracking Pollock and other fish found some unusual things Jim UNLV is a federal fisheries. Scientist two thousand eighteen there were lots of weird occurrences in terms of fish, showing up in places. Like, our survey found a pretty high density of Pollock way in interior Bristol bay. We was really unusual never really seen that before. Those Pollock were further to the east. Emily says that fish were also discovered farther north than expected Martin the Commodore captain had his own unsettling experience when he was fishing in an area called the horseshoe. Typically, the fish stick close to an underwater shelf there and murder knows it as a relatively safe spot where he doesn't have to worry about accidentally catching king, salmon, a huge. No, no for Pollock trawlers. But last summer Martin found himself falling the fish ten miles off the edge. But I just kept falling my shown. Are farther and farther farther off, and it was like kind of get into the deep end of the pool. You know, you're like, well, you know, don't have my water wings, and I haven't been this deep before. So that as as the fish change behavior. You don't you don't have any historical values to weigh things against even if Pollock continued a farewell in the Bering Sea Martin is worried about what could happen. If more of the move out of their normal areas to places too expensive for boats, like his Tariq and requiring major changes in the way, the fishing fleet does business. Back on deck. The crew members wrangled the Commodores net bulging with Pollock then they pump in water to flush the flopping fish out into the boats, hold it takes just a few hours to fill the Commodores, hold with more than two hundred tons of fish in the boat is back in Dutch harbor barely twenty four hours after it left. This is Martin's thirty fifth year fishing. He's already made a good living from the Bering Sea. But younger fishermen are sticking their careers on Pollock sticking around for decades longer. Derek Justice a deckhand on Commodore from Washington, I one fishing to pays way through school. But then he made forty thousand dollars over the course of a few months that plan for college. Nope. New mega. Justice at just twenty four years old is already making more than one hundred thousand dollars a year. He wants to work his way up to being captain of Pollock boat. If climate change makes it impossible for him to keep fishing Justice says he thinks he can take his skills to a related field like on a cruise ship or tugboat, but that would cut him off from a family tradition of catching Pollock. That's pretty much. All I know. So yeah, I mean, it'd be pretty devastating to say. The least it's something I can't fathom. But just this tries not to spend too much time thinking about the warming bearing sea mother nature is going to take. Its course he says for here. Now, I'm not hers. And here now is a production of NPR and WVU aren't association with the BBC World Service. I'm Peter Odell rather than young this is here now.

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Sourdough, Anyone?

Not A Single Fork

31:21 min | 3 months ago

Sourdough, Anyone?

"We're recording interviewing. Finally more mark. still is still problematic. We're going to make it work. 'cause we do work arounds really. Well worked around. Yeah sounds like a out. I really up again again today. We're gonna worry interviews mercury hottest up world. We were supposed to do squad last again when our guests timing beautiful. Actually we have an entire. How he i think he was just a supporting character. So we just kinda wanted around because we ended up again. This is another face documenta. Dan i think gets very distracted. Adhd for sure lab down. Susan wear shine suplicy a teacher. He's place. This is the dan martin and their special. Kevin kevin interviews. I'm just gonna leave. It was kind of a one topic. Conversation would say very much so the outs. I heard that they're also knew who were. You know when when i of course was selling my house. This never never happened. But there's like bidding. Moore's now yeah. Yeah it's craz. I was gonna say that is crazy. An okay well so has your scheduled so so with the pandemic and everything and we'll ask elizabeth as well has your scheduled change. I mean other than obviously it's crazy and people are buying did you. Did you have to stay home for a period of time or did it drastically affect your did the pandemic drastically affect your schedule really affected me too much. Okay you mean like to stay at. Oh the ad. The weather's that yes. Yeah different muscle ordered is much worse sterile to see to see dan. Nap during the day is is just like apocalyptic like unnerving stadium for us dan. As a non napper he quickly became. Only the work remotely taken out the dr comeback days where you itching to get back to work though dan. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yeah. I can imagine and then have that. But you didn't have that. I mean. I've heard that people just get so tired with with. What co yeah oh work. We're just being home in general just staying at home for five days. Yeah yeah and you didn't get it. Elizabeth cove it. Oh you all the actually made roby knock come home okay in quarantine somewhere else because we thought maybe we could escape it. That didn't work. So then dan gotta than i thought it at it but we we all can account movie and we get. We were really lucky and you went down. We went down from three day naps and headaches. Every i kept working teaching school but we were which made that possible which was really big thing so i would set a timer for ten minute naps in between us well. It was a little bit intense school cap. So that answers that question. Your scheduled did change then during the pandemic because you started staying home and doing remote. We started staying in march after spring. Break geared with a spring break. That didn't happen. Ya because we knew some things state was going to erupt answer. A semi whole spring. Break learning how to run google classroom. Wish may no longer use eight. And and then we were. I was sara who had knee surgery so us doing. Are you still working remotely from home. Stole remote from home. Most people are not removed from home. It's kind of kind of a thing so other than cooking because we're going to get into that in a minute. Did you do anything weird. Like i've talked to this season. I've talked about like cleaning weird shit like i've never cleaned in my entire life for like i spent like two hours the other day cleaning my vent heard above my just like the cleaning or i read a bunch of books. Reading became a thing for me puzzles for some people. Was there anything that you did you. What what is that. You're you're not yes so many things. We started this candidate with no ceiling. Now stealing we moved into a condo for two months up three months and thanks three and had kevin is too much sooner. I've dan paid three months worth well. Then you must must've been there for three months ceiling now now. We have a ceiling on really big. Change the kitchen is still going together. I think i think one of the weirdest things developed an affinity. For my vacuum cleaner i it was fueled gray array aside from this like mundane task. Any sort of custodial. Things went from embroidery. Choose saturday'll oh yeah when what. We're going to talk about this hour. Yeah but that's an interesting transition embroidery. Is that something you did before. Or is that something you just picked up. Okay my first embroider keys actually still think. I was about a second grader. In oklahoma city with grandmother she israel's strip of fabric and made a little of mark out of it has a. Yeah yeah flowers on cute. Very seventy yeah so sour dough and have you always been. Did you guys always cook at home before or did like cooking change completely for you since you stayed home or we always love. Love love to eat out. We like to see people. I don't. I don't see a lot of tall her day. I work graders fifth fifth-grader my love but it's nice to go out watch. What adults do you like to go out for. Social interaction with grown ups. Yes yeah yeah. Grants is great but we we always always cooked even when we lived in our first apartment two loss from here brooke site. They cut to new kitchen. Now we're here in the kitchen cooking all kitchens. All kitchens new kitchens now dan. Did you do anything. We drove at time do any. That's a danger. I know is why i wanted to ask it. Do you do anything like to read a bunch. Did you do anything weird weird game. Yeah over it anything. Something what he said. What did you. Maybe you did. What just baking. because now we're new for you okay. Well no it's pretty boring role okay. Well that's nothing new york. Oh you could have tried. He could have tried a little harder. We'll disappointed in you. Oh yeah. I was like i got. I'm dealing with some vigilante lewis spray down slight strip life. All your body what down. Where have you been a washer army face. Strips of spray down he liked. It owns probably he was into. Yeah he misses it. He misses his daily spray down near. She's off to the party. Is that kid in hours shoes into the house fucker. It's so that you can use your vacuum. So you guys always did baking. Did you do baking as well before. He said he did. Baking before did you elizabeth. I i was capable of faking. But it wasn't your thing. Dancer custodial bigger okay with it's the end might be disturbed when our kids were little spunky period. And what's for dinner. Funky and find it you can eat to do. I have some really nice cookbooks. I love the classes. I've taken with you but as far as cooking the someone needs to eat as not a thing for me okay. That's okay it's not a thing. It's not a thing for everybody. No that's fine. So i want to hear about the sour dough. Journey are seeing. That wasn't me you like. Oh yeah shoot. I didn't pay attention. I just let you run your favourite part scoring favorite part. That's near sudan. Do you guys watch just just curious. So do this together. Yeah so you so you make sour dough together auto a little together but not a lot together because it it takes a little bit of paying attention in on saying the but also mucis. He's he's super busy. He makes the next front one that sits around and watches started rise. Yeah well how. But how did you. I mean have you always been curious about summer do ever. Did you ever make it in the past and how why sack yet. What made you decide like fucking. I'm gonna miss dough today again. Back in the seventies that amish herman's sweet as sugar mogo flour. And i did that with my mom. Sweet sour during the pandemic question during the pandemic question. Also getting tech but amount for one this. Yes that was really fun then. I saw another friend who was star. I saw several friends actually at that. We're starting to play with sourdough bread. And i hadn't done that yet to be busy teaching. I've been enjoying embroidery and making gifts for christmas on the night asked for a starter from the french who on the condo that we lived in for two months three for three and so she gave me song and and that friend is also friends of dance. So these starch type got on what to do with. It led me to success. But i found greater success the more i started really digging in on learning how to take care of it. I i credit vat to sarah love. Love love the way that she shapes and then looking at how she feeds it to one hundred percent hydration. I could understand that a little better. So i didn't want to ask this questions either being like oh you're my friend. Now i'm gonna ask you a question about what you've given me is that's pool. So did you get the story from sarah or from someone else somebody else. I got mouse jacobs. Okay so is only here in tulsa or that someone on the internet or she's in new york city paper but she's seen. She was easier for me to listen to watch than leg guidance. not brad. she's just just a little more sour joe on the street lady. She wasn't super uptight. she's not super uptight. Well so you really did a moderate search on saturday like before. You even made one. Because i seen i let the crazy person in pursuit of this hour job perfection. June-oct that ono together. We enjoy brad love read. Your heart is not if it's not a carbon to cheese for us So but for me when we do go out to eat which do more travelling. We always look for great bread or or great something. We find something to try it. Different places in the region that are like across the war like san francisco saturday sour. No chicago donut. Donut and weeds places. We kind of knew little. So we got one of your beautiful bulls. Yes so kind to share with us and we just had a slice of it more with butter and it was lovely the the crumlin. It is like perfect. And then the crust you know because a lot of times you get a hold of of a bul or any other kind of crusty bread. And he's like you're yanking trying to bite it and this is i mean it still firm but it was tender and didn't break your teeth you now and you had a sour dough fragrance but again not overwhelming jerry. Subtle very gentle. I've fought thanks word for foreign my grant that's been underway at versus disappointed in. It wasn't seeing big loose bubbles. And then i market. It was because i'm not using. I think it was a stiff star and a wider people. I noticed raising a lot higher temperatures than because they they were an pursuit of of that. Really aren't ears looking artisanal standup sort of bread and bread. I wanna see as approachable. You're on it you to go great with a lot of french once on top i want to. I want you to be able to. You know jab a tooth or have to gnaw on ed. Qb sexy says not be approachable but there are a lot of people that are trying to be sexy when they're eating red. Is that a thing. My god okay. So developed this basically expertise with sourdot and you obviously enjoy a. And i have to say that i know at least one person who attempted sourdot jide exactly the way she was supposed to and she will never makes our no again up. So i'll have different alan. So do you think you're going to continue Producing sour dough. The way that you have up. Till now i assume far says yes still running different investigations on saturday guys. Spills can work aren't kitchen. And i kinda figured he'd be raised out so i started try different amounts of refresh personnages and different containers to see. I was going to have volcano experiences. Or to see if one would metabolite a little more slowly to see how how i can not be at the mercy of rupa julian microorganisms in my kitchen. So did you have disasters. Have you had disasters with it now. It was all good all good. Except sometimes i was feeling a little bit frenzied alma gospel. Jesus into my something with on my gosh. It's asking for something so as far as as binding to keep doing it. Yeah i i'm thinking long term Another thing i this weekend was was take. Some starters spread out on paper and it's still out is drying was going to be in the shards charge jar. What does that. Yeah what the fuck is going on over there. Josh shorts and ajar tell me about that. Jaw that mean. You can preserve that way. So it's it's it's not replicating there just in homies stasis. They're just chilling waiting to be rehydrated dinosaur dna. But you can just put in a jar. And i saw i keep arthur article that that maybe it's good for up to a year so it case you drop a jar of starter or you have to go to town for a time then you can come back to kind of wary were so. Let's talk about that when you say go out of town with your starter with live starter. I've heard you have to like feed it and like obviously talk to yours all kinds of shit but like or they all kevin by the way is each starter kevin. The regular sarno is all kevin. Okay clones. kevin spacey's everything's kevin Hermon is the friendship red. Which i think is a little bit sweet. And who's i ought to be an amish friendship much of anything i'm going with. Its herman sarah. So who's the dried up. Chard kevin. Oh that's kevin to drive kept dried kevin. Okay there's not a lot of leeway with how worked the. Herman is apparently. The stress was written in the seventies and everything is put in a bag. Wash it feed on day six or seven washington. Beat it on day ten shirt out your friends your friends only so you can go on a five day vacation but you cannot go a sixty vacation. Actually i also have have kevin in the fridge. Can't it in the fridge right now. I have tiny amounts of cabinet armand out on a counter. So i'm seeing. Who's doing what to see. Like how long can we live in the fridge and before we start each. Yeah that was. My question is like we've lost candice. That was my question is like how long can can live like how long can go. Untouched afraid has gone untouched. Now for over twenty four hours in. It doesn't look like it's going to need much very soon. But what does that mean like tomorrow. I yet oh shit okay but this is a commitment. This is like having a child back to center is i. You know lebanese bakeries and not knowing people at own humor baking will more as better and it's going to grow and grow and grow and grow in these big late gallon size jars keat. That was wrong. Why does because it's cheap error. Fine there are a lot better with flowers in them. It's too much too much to you. Feed it it just grows fast. The develops an intricate in the fridge. And the new two drinkers twister. It in that he's going to be way too. Acidic learn learned a lot snell. I never went to a bad snow but small yours. A better plan okay. So what what's me. Alcohol like alcohol shore dams. Dan knows dan drinking. Or is it more like vinegar. I don't. I don't know we don't do this shit yeah. We don't make sourdot dan. What did it tastes like when you drank it. What did it who were mark. Who's their here. Yes sir. I don't know if you drink drink. I was looking at this friend. He he would sometimes the answer really. Why don't i try not to well with all the new one of the chemistry of the brand now robie roby's gotten to listen to all to luton the car to see of twos. Yeah okay tell everybody who robie as they don't think that's somebody else should keep in the fridge. An actual person arto baby person to actual people reviews are twenty-three-year-old in on the street says be cuddled them. Too much news. A girlfriend says eighty. How okay i guess. That's a bad thing. I think it's just a thing roby. Who was on. My lap and dan ran in and said we're supposed to be four thirty and i had understood from dan that it was supposed to be five and a half timer. Set reminding okay okay. It's okay we we made it. It do have another question now. I mean so. So you're going to continue probably your sourdot epoch journey once once the virus is under control even when you can leave and you can go to a restaurant and you go back to work and you go back to work. So are there things that you want to continue to do after you can get out of the house or are there things that and i guess. Maybe the question is. Are there things that you wanna see again are never wanna do again no. I don't think there's anything that i can. This is the first problem. I really miss her house. Oh okay well well. Let's just have some respect for a housekeeper. Gm but again. I'm not a good custodial wife but robie is distance learning right now and guess school as a super senior but robie also will clean a house for money. So we've been doing that. But just that i. I don't ever wanna have pandemic brain again. I don't want to worry about who's coming the house and one of work at getting them they getting spur. Indo indies about cooties won't gone into school apparently at flashed go past. Okay was that are we done. We're just going to have a little kudos to housekeepers everywhere across the world. Yeah ours ours. This is wonderful mr. We hope she's doing that. Dan still uses for for different houses. Looney there was so much to know about fucking. I'd rather get another dog. what it's like. The thing is like having a fucking pet. It's like having one child or chocolates worse but like to feed it and talk to it and jarrow kit and headed well. I'm going to bring in my daughter here for a minute. Because i don't think we talked to her at christmas. Time on on the podcast. I don't think she talked too much about sour dough bread but she had. She thought she would make sour dough because everybody was making sour everybody. She was trapped at home too so she was there with michaela who now happens to be her husband. Yes very quickly. yes for no particular reason. She knows she's not just getting so that's why a lot of people get married very quickly but not these days. You don't have to do that. Yeah fuck that okay. So anyway she thought she would make sour dough and she got starter from someone and that whole thing is so weird had they had to do this every twenty minutes that every hour in over here and over there and put it in the taking out in the fridge and all these things and michaela. Don't ever make this again. Did it work give. She had a good sour dough. Yeah she had two good size love. I there's i just. I mean i don't even think i have to say this. I know i don't have to say this to you. I know. I don't have to say to the people listening that know me. This will never happen in my house. I will never experiment. You will never comb your here for me. And i'll be like. Hey what are you doing. Oh i'm just making some salad. Oh yeah no you know and you could tell by listening to elizabeth how she really got into the whole science chemistry. Oh it's a whole ross. Scientists whether it was kevin or it was homage yet here was a little too sweet for her kevin. She's still working on kevin gel. She still had fucking experiments. Going on with kevin. That i actually. I was looking at facebook the other day and she had some. I think things that she tried with. Kevin so i know what. Let me take that back. Sorry elizabeth to make it sound weird sexual. Well maybe for some people. Well maybe it is it is. Maybe it's their lover. Maybe they fall in love with one thing and this happened after we turn the recording off and she said oh we didn't talk about the sour dough pancakes and i was like elizabeth. We ask if disaster or if there was something he made those delicious and she said it didn't turn out great but it tasted good or the other way round while they said i was terrible. It was terrible so they will never do sour dough pancakes which i have understood from some people that are quite good. I've never had them. But i have never. Well here's the thing and i appreciate sour. I mean i can appreciate it. I can say. Wow that took a lot of effort crave it like. I don't think like. I mean it's just those things that i i mean. I guess some sour dough today. There's many things. I would like more than sourdough bread. Oh like pages full of things like many pages full of things because of that. That would be one of those things that you will never see me hear me talking about making ever will also seems like it's like so time consuming like i'd be so fucking over it. I just be like kill. Kevin fucking stir kevin down the garbage disposal. Something i think that you would have many rending of garments if that happens yeah you'd have to go out on the street and give kevin to your neighbors having away. You could not murder him. Heaven or there'd be a whole thing. I think there would be. I think people would be after you uh-huh so it's alive. It's alive live but no sour dough for us but thank you elizabeth. It was delicious brad. Because she was really good it was delicious. She's obviously mastered those. What the hell she's doing. It's so scientific. I can't even button so that no never never going to happen. No but thanks. Thank you very much. So we'll say stay fresh sour dough bags covid. Nineteen better known. Corona virus has spread throughout the world symptoms of this respiratory disease may include fever cough and shortness of breath symptoms may show up to to fourteen days after exposure. If you are experiencing these symptoms and have come in contact with or are in an area with an ongoing outbreak. 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The Person Who Changed My Life

The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast

25:41 min | 5 months ago

The Person Who Changed My Life

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Do you see me. do you hear me. That's what i say mean anything to you. You're listening to the oprah winfrey. Show the podcast the abbasid. Everybody because i have some great news for someone on the show today. You know. I love surprise and this is going to make somebody's dream. Come true fun fun fun. We ask celebrities in our viewers to tell us who is the one person that changed your life and those of you at home. Think about this because nobody makes it alone. Don't you agree anybody who makes any success in their life. Somebody somewhere showed them a little piece of light the way out. This is so great because it really gets you thinking about it for yourself. I guess says he was inspired by man he never even met. He wrote us this letter about the person who changed his life. Dear oprah the person who changed my life doesn't even know it he impacted my life profoundly. Emmett smith dallas cowboys left college to become an nfl football star in the early nineties. At that time i was in college. My parents have recently divorced. I'd been getting trouble with the police and migrates dropped. I wanted to give up on college. I thought there had to be an easier way out. Football was a world to me back then. I watched dan night and played it every weekend. One day i was watching a sports show and i heard. Msa so profound. It has stayed with me till today. He had promised his parents that he would return to college. And get a degree. Those wards with the same that. I had uttered to my parents when they were breaking up from that day on i worked hard at school and finished up college with a degree in economics. I am now a successful businessman. And i also coach football on the side. The most ironic thing about this story is that emmett smith graduated the same day that i did when i got home that night. To put my diploma on my bedroom wall. I had the tv on and the sports caster showed a clip of emmett graduating. It meant the world to me that someone of his caliber was able to fulfil a dream. He gave me the spirit to go. After my goals and dreams in life he changed my outlook on life for the better. And i will always thank him in my heart for that warmest regards ali. Come on up here that story say this about everybody because you know when you're on television famous or somebody like people always look to you to be role models but we are all role models for each other and you never know how what you are doing in your life might have some impact on somebody else where you always a big fan of his. I grew up watching him always a big fan of his. I never got the chance to meet him. But he inspired me tremendously. He let me understand that it's important to go after your goals in life make them come true yes so it was more than just about football. Absolutely emmett smith is you may know a winner on and off the field. Here's a little background on the superstar. Who changed ali's life with three trips to the super bowl and to mvp titles. Emmett smith is one of the greatest football players in nfl history. Six years after leaving college for the nfl emit fulfilled a lifelong dream and a promise to his parents by returning to school and receiving his degree in nineteen ninety-six. It is not only a superstar in the plainfield. he's also a superhero to all the lives. He touches with his charity work. Active in numerous foundations. He's never forgotten where he came from and always takes time out for his legions of fans. I have such respect for him because he's one of those people who constantly gives back well. Ali told us we told him it about you and he wanted you to know how proud he is of you and so he sent us himself. Thank you mark. were you surprised. Yeah i just want to take the opportunity. Just thank you for not only the accomplishes you've made on the field but but the fact that you You promised to parents picking through. I think it affected me in a profound way. I hope that those out there that are watching know that it's important important to go up. Jimmy goals and i wanna thank you very much especially thank. You doesn't matter you realize you. You really don't know who who you really touch it and for me. I've been blessed by many folks to share a lot of wisdom in my life to go on and expire others to do well and so you know my mission now only for the game of football but also would god has put me on his to do is try to help others be successful and no matter what it may be. I try to carry myself in a manner which will reflect that so. I'm glad to see that. There's someone out there through me making that promise to my mother but now only was the problems for my mother but it was for me to keep my spirit right with her and keep must be right with god. So a who's been the great influence in your life. Your parents My mother's always been one to make sure that. I got my education and that i did my homework. My father always on my back to make sure that. I did not take things for granted and all of that but wasn't given anything and always earned what i what i deserve so that balance. I think it killed me. Focus kill me Hispanic to go out and be successful or not only just be successful but to be able to turn around whenever i cheese says be able to turn around and be able to give back to folk and try to encourage others to do well. There are two people here who in to tell the world how proud they are of you. They are mr. And mrs smith big question. How do you do so. That was him yours. To save the double surprise. We saw you standing out there in. When he was graduating with the sign proud mary. Yeah how proud were you did you. You expected him to go back and get his degree. I did and i am very very. I'm more than proud. i really am. What was it because you know a lot of we hear about on the news. You always hear about the athletes or the celebrities who go a strike. What is it that you think you all instilled in him that has resounded with him through all these years. Well one thing. Education still goes along ways even he has of professional career so there is no doubt in your mind he was going back no doubt he had to go back. Thank you so much. Pinkett smith says she. I saw that person that changed your life on. Tv the rest is history. Hey oprah how are you the person that changed my life. I'd have to say was debbie allen. Growing up the only a handful of black women on tv and debbie. Allen was Starring on fame and on fame. She choreographed Start she directed. There was nothing that debbie allen couldn't do in. I really molded my career. After her she really really Inspired me to come hollywood and do my thing. So i went to audition for different world and actually debbie was in the audition and the producers decided to give me a reoccurring character on a different world. Debbie really Launched my career giving me that. I think the greatest lessons learned from. Debbie is basically you got to keep on going you get the keep going when she gets her job done she. Gets it done. Exactly how she wants it done and that means more to her than just being able to support if she's going to be here she's got to do it her way. And that's how i feel. You know. I feel like if i'm gonna be here. I got to do with my way. She made me see that. There was nothing wrong. Dan martin sheen the star of this season smash hit the west wing told us about the heavenly man who helped him sore oprah. There were several people in my young life. That helped form me who were mentors. Besides my family members and the first one was maybe the most important one His name was father alfred draft. He came to my parish. Holy trinity in the mid nineteen fifty s when i was a teenager as an assistant pastor and this man had a profound effect on my my life as a whole both my career as an actor and my spiritual development. I had a conflict with my father because he wanted me to Go to university of dayton or at least get an education and father. Owl tried to dissuade him from that and encourage him to encourage me to be an actor but my dad wouldn't listen to him and he insisted that i take an entrance examination to the university of date which i did but I i through the examination on purpose. I was trying to tell my father something That i was not cut out for academia and out of a possible one hundred. I scored What is still to this day that the lowest score in the history of an influence examination to the university of dayton got a three. My dad got the message and a gave up trying to make a scholar out of me and father out came to the rescue and he actually loaned me the money to get started in new york. I left home in january. Nineteen fifty nine and began my career here in new york city theater and father ow was largely responsible for that. Nobody makes loans. Today's episode supported by supercharged life. If you're looking to discover new ways to create success and learned tangible tools to improve your mental and physical health. Check out the supercharged life. Podcast with dr judy doctor. Judy is a board. Certified clinical and forensic neuropsychologist professor researcher and author her podcast explores topics like productivity motivation. Stress management breaking bad habits overcoming depression and anxiety and more plus a doctor. Judy series answers listener questions. Providing practical solutions for a more positive and determined mindset download. 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Don't wait to discover the life you've always imagined visit us online at path. B h dot com to schedule a free consultation. Melrose place fame says that life is only meaningful shared that is so true and that's why he devotes his time to his organization called do something which inspires young people to get involved and make the world a better place at age thirty two. He is now hero to children around the world and he's here to tell us who is own personal. Heroes are who changed sherlock many people but I say my family. I think everybody who's been fortunate to have. An amazing family knows that those are the people who really really impact who you are. But i think there's always some some unsung heroes who who step into your life and that certain time and then say something or do something that really really stays with you and I had a teacher in high school. Who is the most respected teacher in the whole school. And i was a good soccer player and i was also the school president and somebody might think well. If you're good soccer player in the school president you must have huge self esteem. I really Actually i didn't. I felt like i can do all these things on the outside but inside i kind of felt that i wasn't a great person or i wasn't you know Interesting person and this teacher. Mr owen snyder told me he said one time. And it was actually. It was incredibly powerful. He said you know what. You're a neat guy. And i said he was trying to say that. You're a good guy on inside your really important person on the inside. Not because of always exterior. Do i think a lot of people who get driven with exterior Kind of miss out on. What's what's inside and that that stay with me. All through everything. I've ever done and constantly guy. Is that why a compliment from him. Meant so much to you totally. He was the one that everybody thought was the most interesting The most respected teacher and him to talk about kind of who i was as a person just made me forget about all those other things that most people that you know when you're fifteen years old that's what it's all about is all the exterior things and So it just made me feel like. I could do anything because i had elite yourself. I mean goes to that saying everybody says you know you've got to believe in yourself and love yourself but It's often hard but you know what it is. I think after years. I don't know i could write my own book about you. Know all the interviews. I've done over the maybe but one of the things that reoccurs over and over again that i've seen as a theme in people's lives is validation. And that when you talk about believe in yourself and loving yourself you can't get that unless you are validated by somebody. Somebody who says yes. I do think you were worthy. Yes i do think that what you have to say is important. Yes i do. Think that what you say is meaningful and i think that really is a sa- bottom line. Everybody is looking for that. It's a source of every single discussion. We've we have and you can get unbelievable support. And i have from my sister's been incredible and my brothers and my my parents are amazing But at the same time sometimes it takes an outsider for to say something like that to make make you really believe it because they love me of course they think i'm a good guy but sometimes you really need so anybody. Who's out there when you think about the times where you could really make that. Make that difference. This is so important to To never underestimate the power you have to impact somebody in that way. Also soccer coach. Wasn't that amazing coach at dartmouth guy named bobby clark who I went through an incredibly difficult time. I lost my brother my senior year in college and he told me a story about how when his father died The next day he had a huge soccer game in scotland he was one of the best goalkeepers in scotland and he talked about how you just have to keep doing in life. You know you can't you can't stop to to To kinda crumble. And he said you know you have to just keep on living and that That that's the most important. He inspired me to go to africa. He was a coach and africa. So i went and played soccer in africa and taught so he always lived by example. It wasn't most most about you know big speeches and you know new brock speech but more about who he was in simple man who Who always lived by just How he treated people and and just incredible the audience beginning of the show. You never know somebody saying to you. Your teacher saying you're really neat guy. You never know what your words means to somebody else especially children admit knows about that well. It's a day of surprises. The two men who changed andrew life or here come on out own cider. Bobby shocked this is one of the best teachers in the country. And this is one of the best soccer coaches in the country. Remember remember saying to him. You're neat guy. I'm sure it did because he was but you don't you don't that's what i'm talking about. You don't realize that you don't know that you did that. No but i had a lot of conversations with andrew about about andrew not just about being president of the council and the best soccer player in the world and and bound and he was he was he was the star. He was the star of a lot of things in high school. But i wanted to know he was more than that as as a person he was even an even better person. Wow was it something you saw in him or do you try to do that. All your students to say that it's hard to work with. Somebody like andrew would be kind of a joke. And if you if you only deal with people like andrew. It'd be great. But but i try to do everybody. I think every good teacher tries to do that. Was he the best in soccer. He was certainly one of them. I never gonna say. I was lucky. I'd i'd be the best job in the world. I work with some of the greatest kids. And i do. My hobby and andrew was the inspiration to the team. When i went to dartmouth. That was a team. That was Maybe struggling had been struggling a little bit and he came in and he was a kid freshman. That really believed we could be great and his last game. I think was scoring a penalty kick to win the ivy leagues. so browns. thank you andrew. Thank you and martin sheen stories along with many others feature than in book called the person who changed my life by matilda rafa cuomo so thank you all talking about the person who had a major influence in your life ten years ago. Robert sullivan was sleeping in his car. And on a one way road to nowhere when his teacher changed his life forever. Love teachers just love him. He's strumming happy to now. Ten years ago. Robert sullivan was a young man without future. I was homeless. And at the time i would go through garbage cans and get money. I was living in my car. Eating cans of tuna fish crackers. Robert was troubled and undisciplined. He was in and out of school seemed to be headed nowhere until he enrolled in a community college and discovered a passion for counting person who changed my life would be larry lease. I think it was his approach to accounting learn. This had very high standards in his courses. And that was what allowed me to elevate myself. He let me know that. I can't have confidence in myself. because of the fact that he challenged me made me feel like i could be something better than where i was when i was homeless hours. Respect them for that. Larry inspired this one time high school dropout to succeed big time robert combined his love for accounting with a growing interest in computers and helped to launch a successful software company because of what i learned accounting and the values that he taught me and maybe strong that i was able to apply to what became online business and commerce one last summer. That company went public and robert became a multimillionaire and retired the age of thirty five. I can't believe ten years ago homeless. And now i have a really nice that i own. It's mine but robert had some unfinished business. When i was hilarious class. He'd made the statement that if if of you ever successful and that you felt the knowledge that you've got from this class helped you. You can show your appreciation by by an porsche. Larry say that as sarcastic. I'm sure yes. Yeah so but guess what larry's driving. Now get this ten years later later. Robert showed up at shasta college through larry a set of keys to his own brand new porsche. That must have been a fun. Hot moment unbelievable. Yeah as any other student ever done that unbelievable so whether it be a teacher or friend or coworker. I really do hope that you're inspired. To think about the person who has made a difference even changed your life. This is susan o'reilly we're ending the show with her tribute to the woman. Who made a difference for her. Even though she had six kids of her own my mother was always giving to other people if somebody was sick shoe and bring them a meal just doing whatever she could to help everybody. That needed her help. My mother learned. She had cancer just after her thirty six. Th birthday it was very hard on the family after my mother died and it was hard for me sometimes to get through my days because i felt like i couldn't cope with taking care of my brothers and myself. I decided not to home again after my freshman summer that i was home from college because i couldn't fill the role of mother for my family. I was nineteen years old. And i just couldn't do it. The person who changed my life is my antenna by becoming a mother to me when i needed a mother most. I called her in spring of my sophomore year in college and asked her if i could come live with them. She did not hesitate. She just took me in. Like i was her daughter. Janet really encouraged me to talk about my mother's death. And then i can remember you know many nights that first summer just sitting up at two in the morning. Just kind of crying to my aunt. Janet about things that i had never dealt with in the past the three things that she taught me the most highness thoughtfulness in love. She's very similar to my mother and a lot of ways and ironically enough. Her and my mother had the same name. Which is janet cavanaugh. I truly feel like she is a gift from my mother. I had a big hole in my heart. When my mother died she has made me feel in my mind. I am dance daughter. I thank god for gene and every day and that my mother is up there as an angel involved in our connection. Someway you think you were angels sent. This is an angel in my life and her mother brought us together. And i have a daughter now in his sister that i always wanted a sister to my children and she's just a gift from god. Would you want to say. I just wanna tell santa to thank you for opening her heart and her home to maine for being a mother to me. Well i want to say thank you to all of my guests today. Thank you so much thank you. I'm oprah winfrey. And you've been listening to the oprah winfrey show the podcast if you haven't yet go to apple podcast subscribe rate and review this. Podcast join me next week. For another oprah. Show the podcast. I thank you for listening.

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71: Stage 17 | Canazei - Sega di Ala | Giro d'Italia 2021

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71: Stage 17 | Canazei - Sega di Ala | Giro d'Italia 2021

"There you're listening to jira. Ganda the cycling podcast at the two thousand nine hundred. Twenty one d'italia how by soup sapiens energy management for committed athletes and coaches. Today we sit at the ala. Say offset don you unveil. Unfortunately no patrick lefevere. Someone who has a has various things in common with patchy lefevere. Actually former team manager a major team manager Bone vivo more than a bit of a bone and younger than patrick. Got few more years yet bryan nygaard. We've we've completed the circle because he joins us on our first. Jiro gino's icon in milan. Watch budget and well brian. It's great to have you back because We will let you speak in a moment as well. But daniel leaves on friday for the dulcinea. So you'll be fortunate You'll be carrying us through to milan. Didn't know that when. I signed up for this richard. I'm sorry i'm sorry feather incentive. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're gonna take the podcast new level. Brian daniels left. He's handbrake on the podcast. Does brian get today. The where all. We bryan bryan. Richardson secretary allah. Today i actually think was a weinstein at least looking at the scenery and everything but for once the bike racing sleep was way more relevant than vineyards nonetheless we have. We do have a point of order. What drinking brian. Which i was actually trying to do a blind tasting with you just before on your failed miserably. But we're drinking local from hoffstetter so we are sort of in the outskirts of the trentino area log. Either just on the other side but very very nice wine area for a lot of different varietals mainly whites and that's what we're having no well you know we're driving through all these vineyards telling us. Oh but every gatien and things while parnell's struggling to hold the wheel in front no arise have been around lecturing me about the accusing brunell. When remco van poll was losing the rise have been very much on the race. Because well we've got a race on our hands. Finally we had to what you mean. You hadn't been finding the that captivating for exactly the reasons what it was demonstrated today. What is your. Sag mars should be like and what ease like when the there's a rice behind on the front and that's what we saw today and it was a fantastic sort of tug of war between the breakway on the the general classification guys behind and actually the breakway still one out but he didn't feel anything like a house done. I've lost days when the brake is. I suspect very few m writers could have survived the onslaught from behind in the way. That don martin that he won the stage but not spoiler alert because the say seventeen from canada's eight to sega the ala with really tough climate. The end and the nature of that claim was to prove pray significant some writers directors. Some had not. I'm not maybe had an empire today but a big well took a while for the break to go clear. Several writers how to go including lucky larry war and he had a good. Go back to use your luck. Lorenzo lorenzo more of he must am. I think he did make into move one point. Didn't they buy a big breakway form. Some really good writers and the kingdom is jeffrey bouche. Janney moscow from any street bond. was there. He's in every breakaway and lewis on sanchez. A grocer arm. I'm just reeling off a few of the of the hitters who their james knox of the cycling podcast. Is there peter. Sarah has quickstep teammate. Don martin is they're young mattie organism. Is there anyone else antonio. Pedro was there. I there are a few others as well and it was a strong group. I'm they got decent advantage behind bike exchange. We're doing an awful your former team. One of your former teams brian. Everything on awful of work on the front. And i think there was a bit confused by or people wondering why because i'm used to be very a radical this. Jiro and great one day. Not so great. The next they obviously had a lot of confidence in him today. Peel off work into into today. And you could argue that maybe paid off and there was a there was a bad crash in in the also disrupt two things remco even the poll. More bad luck for him. He finished a stage with a very swollen elbow. So who knows whether he will continue Couple of bikes change came off their nick. Schultz who's been writing extremely about county. Evie came down to and giulio cicconi of trek sigfredo on. He paid for that later on by when they reached the climb up to the finish. M the that front group has been reduced to just four strong writers on martin bouchon king the maintenance federal and moss but martin did not hang. He really turned the screw early on in the climb to cough on his own. The gop neither was done to start two minutes and it looked like if we had a property bothell behind martin would not hold on hold on he did and he won the stage 'em but behind. There was a lot of excitement into the final four kilometers with jonathan castro vehicle during a lot of work but not really writing too hard he was just keeping don martin by a minute and a half and it was four k to go. Joel omega am attack. He was the first of the juicy right to really have a go. Simon yates countered bernal was straight on him. So is Donnie martinez and dominik kutuzov start the day. Second row is on pace and that was to prove a sensible strategy because burnell paid for the effort of following. Yates who bridged up very quickly to and well. We saw the first signs of weakness from bernal he. He cracked a little bit look. It wasn't clear whether he just gone too deep following yates or he had some kind of hunger fly he said off the stage. It wasn't that it was uh he'd gone too deep. He didn't claim he had not record. Declined yates on dan. Martin both record the climbing. Dan martin particular set how voluble had been. Interestingly a few days ago. When i was asked about i think it was the zone call on. He almost suggested that. He's ideologically opposed to reconvene climbed. I always struggle with that. What recognizing two pantani pantani was always dead against something back then in the nineties. It was less in vogue anyway. Fewer riders used to do it. I mean pantani re piggly on here called crush on his way to the pool. Pink today might not be there right. They'd say i think pantani back in his he rican to Monte company where he famously iva came pablo tongue maybe not at all but the only the rally to. He didn't believe in either since leaving it. Well we saw a cracking juicy race. Bernal was was dropped. The for a moment and look like he really had crashed completely. Dining martin has dropped back and was cajoling him on urging them. On and is there are some great pictures of Meanwhile as kind on writing hard on may not she dropped. Yates towards the line and he finished second on the stage. That don martin's closing pretty fast and so on the stage it was done. Martin jal made simon diego uc a and then cruiser. who gained three seconds on bernal. Just three seconds am juicy burnell caruso. Yates vlasov carthy bar day. I mean he's not he's not in that much of a worse situation tonight obviously. Was the big winner today. I think would like to qualify little bit the reconnaissance of the absence of it. In case that i don't really think that would change the type of lakes. You have you have. They have access to so much information. And the no exactly the steepness of the climb and the length of the climate and they obviously also know themselves so i think banal crack today not because of the lack of recon because he was in real trouble and the interesting element. Today was that at some point. I think made a went for the heck of it but i think an eighth saw something. He saw a sink in the army source. Weakness in banal. And that's why he went so strategically it was the right moment for them to put pressure on banal. They saw something that. I don't think anyone else saw at least not as a spectator that he was definitely in real trouble today to twenty one to caruso three twenty three to yates. I'm very lost some time. But how onto fourth overall today carthy was a bit of a a loser today. Dropped from the point of view. G say it was kind of the wrong guy to be attacking banality. You're neutral and you wanted to see the rice as open as possible until the end it needed to be cut and cut off. I didn't think he was on a particular day and he wasn't able to. I think we got confirmation. David caruso would like to finish on the podium. I mean okay. He was writing in our very sensible pragmatic way to maybe the only way he could ride up the podium is definitely something he's aiming for here and rightfully so he came into this. I think to be played. Second fiddle philander so. This is phenomenal results for him. If he shouldn't an the podium is team will be happy with it. Put blanda pope caruso stay guessing going fuelling not sure what or went to eat and drink on rights that mother never again optimize year fuelling strategy we. Real-time glucose data actionable insights and personalized analytics. Where here to lp achieve your performance goals go to super sapiens dot com for more on to track your energy levels and fuel for success the cycling podcast powered by super sapiens. Thanks very much indeed. Our title sponsor super sapiens. Very grateful to them for their support they are all about energy management for committed athletes and athletes and we can all use super sapiens. Yes yes yes daniel yes we can. All benefit from monitoring our blood glucose levels. And we've been the running competition conjunction super sapiens and to offer three months of super sapiens to anybody who has cycling goal on ambition they want to achieve and they think super savings might be able to achieve it. Let's hear our latest entrance tonight. We got to tonight. I'm let's hear their pitch to win. Super sapiens hi. my name is kai cafe. Are we go to order college where we change every day of the week between two to four hours might go for this year is to go into the team over nor this development team and progress onto the under twenty free seat and michael for this year is to get top ten in one of the national series races. The reason why we should get picked is because i myself you solve the super sapiens. Because i'm a type one diabetic. I use it defcon six to regularly monitor. My blood glucose levels while out on the road so if we do this african weather super sapien are we compare on how exercise effects are not diabetic and a diabetic wa. Also i can use this to analyze my blood sugar levels and what affects it. When i'm out training to stop bonking in the future you enjoyed an australia by. Thanks very much for that. And if you would like to competition. There's still time go to the cycling. Podcasts dot com to find out how to enter. Just send your audio clip through the cycling. Podcasts dot com. Donyell all the big story today. Well certainly and. I suppose i've lost you days. We re elevated him to the sort of round the dimension of the pogos and the raw la- chairs. We'd sort of pops reevaluated. What we've been saying about lost in a year or so. We'd we'd seen him vulnerable team. Him is not really belonging in that sort of super all category and in the same with those guys is certainly in there but then he he looked invulnerable and we didn't envisage seeing any vulnerabilities between now. And then we kind of always fall into this trap in grand tools. We do know we basically we become very sort of complacent and blase about the guy who's in new jersey glass half full kind of design all legacy of these dynasties that you talk about when we go through periods where our writer like chris from goes several years without ever looking vulnerable but we aren't appeared now where there isn't a dentist. We're not in the middle of a dentist. They were in a quite an exciting period where there are writers who could who could begin to form a dentist. I think another thing we ever look is how much now grand tools and grandpa directors route design a stock all the drama towards the back end and the teams are very very aware of now on. The right is a very very aware that now. And they calculate the calibrate their energy expenditure on the basis of that nothing today when they do their cost management intelligently tried to figure out the specific stages where they can gain time. And you could even say i mean. He's cushioned himself. Rather welcome in the first part of this. Jiro and the reason why he would do that is not i think. Just because of the potential losing some ground in the time-trial. It's actually to make sure that. Should you have a bad day or a consecutive bad days. He's still has a reasonable margin. So i don't think it's not an ego thing when he goes out to gain an initial part of the. Jiro is to cushion himself for situations like today. I think the bigger question is now. Is today symptomatic. Reveal of his current state you know. Are there more options for the other guys to to really take another. Go another with him and put him into trouble. There's blood in the water today. But what's fascinating is to see. Siamese resurgent because of course. This is exactly what happened to him. Twenty eight yeah it is. Although i'm very conscious made a good point the other day rich about about as always we always focus on the pink jersey the leader of the general classification. We forget these These sort of fringe marginal battles before the minor placings essentially and we told the other day about how education first big move that big statement charlie we'll galveston likes statement or are you calling a statement but it was an it was a very successful move. Put out the back and again a couple of minutes. Today the tables were turned you forget about what banal did. Yates put you know. How much do you put between himself and coffee and He certainly turned the table. Yeah he did. I mean eh. They landed a major blow on that front. I mean has got almost three minutes now on carthy. Yeah so that was a hugely successful movie. Brought about by the team chasing putting okay. You could look at it and say well they wants to stage in almost real the breitbart book more importantly they put coffee on the ropes and caruso is still there isn't i mean when he cruised up to burnell having a having initially been dropped. I thought there's a chance here for caruso to to go pasta. He didn't you know he was very much. He's writing. Not claiming very sensible way. But i will ask you a question who finished fourth in the final time-trial of the two years ago so he'll fantastic. Unm fries one professional race in his entire career way he interprets. The what is now is his. Gm bishen is to make as few mistakes as possible. I think that's how he goes about trying to finalize that last attempt to be in the podium. He's got a great chance. It'd on the husband yes. He has iceberg to the team bar in victoria. Technical director of ladimir mihalovic after. Finish down the bus compound just about well what he made of cuddles as performance today where they go from here. What was that me on telling me today about how he was feeling. And what messages were getting in the car. I you know it's i. I am not sport director hearing in different role but with the miano the all positive posed a very nice guy and the his influence in in the very very good nice. And somebody who dr steve forward with with mood also and like this euros afraid a bit to ask how do feel do think no. So you're observing observing writer his body language his his veil behavior. And when you see that somebody put the music and on the speaker in the bus full gas on say okay. everything is on place. Let's go outside. We did our job. They know how stage we know. Call ho- stages in front of us and let's stick to the planet the hope to the best. What was the music. can you remember. Ira they today was some some dense house. What is ya bitter veto of my ranch so it is not iraq. It is not the something what. I get the motion but i am very happy because this positive for the guys and when banal started to drop back looked for a second as i remind collapsed completely as we saw years ago without an cadel evans in two thousand two thinking that as well yeah look fortune of banalities that he had any martinez. Novitiate boss This is all the great teammates That can dick would be deleted. But when you have celtics like this they save your they save you know. Save the team but Yeah for sure. You know dan this. Climb harder cities. It's a lot of mental game so for sure. The mana. So the banal dropping. She gained three four votes because he was dropped before the so. Yeah the the the hard climbs Part of the client was bit more longer bit longer. I think that the miano today was able to rope. egan Let's hope the t will be able to do that in the next day. Jason just finally am i right in thinking. You're pretty confident. Damiano is someone who usually gets doesn't get better but doesn't get a lot worse in the third week. This is the rule but This story kelly watching yes correct. But you know you're always a bit cautious sitting team. They're doing everything to save the writer from any any problems. Health problems Extra stress Save his body and his mind special attention with giving team because dan. We stayed with only five riders. The and Off of also hit a heart crash today in the sense of his need to see and she's writing ready with broken ribs and ribs. So we we need to see how he wouldn't be able to continue but Yes it's got the district of damiano until now amplats hold that the tool also found out something interesting about very interesting today. I had my memory joke. Maybe i nearly so ready. He's father was a policeman but he was deployed in the early nineties or late eighties as a bodyguard. Or as part of the sort of The career of bodyguards. Who amoco you call it When orange now when the police said when there's a division special guards special division to look after the very famous italian judge giovanni falcone must be anti-mafia prosecutor who was killed in a bombing on the motorway between the palermo apple in palermo in nineteen. Ninety-two joining the jerome. During the year. Well it was the anniversary on sunday. And it's an occasion. That's on it. Every year in italy the president method. I gave a speech the other day on them. One of the great heroes in italian modern history and he was killed in this bombing. The other he's sort of partner in fighting crime paolo. Selena was was killed a few weeks later. But yeah cuddles those father one of i didn't know whether the actual time of falcone death he was fulfilling that role but certainly over the course of his. That was one of the roles that he fulfilled real hero. Yeah yeah searching for some kind of parallel by not coming to immediately. Maybe it will later on. I should have close. he's ferry. He's proud of his sicilian roots. I mean he's told to talk about this at length people. Ask him why it isn't going to live in lugano monte-carlo and we've we've talked to great length in the podcast over the years about sicily in its problems. And he's very conscious of that caruso as well and he says that. Leaving to go and pay less tax in switzerland or monte carlo would be like tiny his back on sicily and that is that would sort of encapsulate and demonstrate. Why sicily has the problems it does because you know people turn their back on. The italian government has turned his back on sisley. Well another m intended at the The buses was wrought ailing worth the well. He's returned to t- many from bahrain. Of course he was running the bahrain team last year. But he's coming back to us not not quite to his old job something a little bit different m. although the job titles changed there are so. I'm not quite sure what's current job title is but i was very keen speech about high. He's find him because of course he worked with him a couple of years ago the year that he won the tour de france 'em and we were speaking before bernal's difficulties on the climb and it was quite interesting. What rod santa by every day at the jiro in particular being being so important. You are at the team in two thousand nine hundred nineteen. How does the barn all that. We're seeing here the compared to bernal in two thousand nine hundred tour. Well i i wasn't working out the toll that odyssey left just before noon when he first joined the team and i think He suddenly moved on himself person. You know he's he's own. Personalities moved on east coast a lot. More confident in in In himself you know. I mean he said and he started at the beginning of this year and he was. You know You had a tough year last year. So he certainly you know wasn't so confident in the beginning of the year. Which i think is not true. Really just helping some impressed with you. Got lot physical element but just how ease mentally super you know. In the way way drinks everybody Vitus stuff But you know in the vita meetings. He's you know he's he's absolutely bang on the money. You really understands it. All very tactically You know he just knows how to get the best out of his team. So it seems like you're not He's not taking anything for granted. You know there's still time while he's clearly the best writer in the race bomb. It looks like he's keen to not take any chance to tell before that time trawling sunday. I think it's just the nature of the gio isn't it. You know you just never know. We'll surround the corner in in all these you know. All these descents always dangerous and Just the nature of the in in general you know you get big groups always go away. Which don't seem to get new gun consoles so you know you just. I think we're just taking it. You know and then this is the dangerous for israeli you only a few days away from from the final and i think if you take the off the bull you into trouble you know so So he i think everybody's stuff on is all stay on it a hundred percent. Who is a it's an unanswerable question in the way. But i would probably the amount shop in this form to pachon rogue lich who knows who knows you know. It's it's one of. I think everybody would look forward to the my when they also of together so i think again one of the great so i think you know he's already proved i. I think you can see that day in the rain today again. You know he was really on top of things the cold ineffective i think the best ones are only so i think he you know he's he's right on the money. Do you think you'll ride the tour next year. Who knows we have. We have until we haven't told that fall then. Today's in jail. That was his target this year. So that's us is as you get really. Yeah they cycling podcast at the twenty one. 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Not sage was impressive as he said in the press conference he had directed the climb he knew how steep it was in parts and he knew how to judge his effort. He knew not to go to deepen not steep part to have a laugh over the top erecting. The only needed twenty thirty seconds with three case to go when it fought. I bet he just in the end because he was almost caught on. It was a very well taken stage with surgical precision. I was noticing the way. The team communicated embiid initially before the jiro and they said they wanted to do within months and then when you guys interviewed him. He was more than on the fence. I think he was more classic quote. I guess the day to day approach and it seemed like he was really gunning for the station. And i think he managed to be real surgical position at the end. It was a good omen when seven point seven kilometres from the finish a giant panda appeared at the side of the right of course the giant panda which became synonymous with big tree. Alleged boston on It was the same one. I could have been chased him up that final client on style. The only that we don't know the only cycling celebrity spot. Today you saw primoz rogue lich the a double. Yeah i m gentleman in slovenia champion jersey carrying a few extra pirates. Perhaps i mean more than more than rush this gentleman that statement of course completed downs set of stage wins in all three major chosen. You know what a career he's had. One of lumber day won best maybe not someone. He's been erased defining ryder but he suddenly being one of the very very best. Riders of the lost generation and versatile has been successful on various different terrains has has always repaid his team's faith. You know not necessarily in every single grand tour every single classic but the cost of a contract of two years. He's always pulled out something and in the in the most exalted company. As well you know today he beats he. He headed off. Yates and a sort of resurgent. Diamond almeida yates. And that takes some doing. Only you know that the very best there are able to do that. And danny's among the best final point on today then champs we as you said bothering the water daniel. Bo is a open again. I mean the the cops are pretty significant every taken almighty collapse from bernal m. Is there enough there to give the likes of siamese from protect our some hope. Well the were bike exchange like as mentioning it but maybe they will not they will iraq He's ready you if you remember novosel in two thousand eighteen and podcast we did. That night was probably quite similar. Saying things then. About simon yates. We're saying about now and it only took you a couple of years to forget it. Well the first hints one and we said then momentum in is you know it's always important maisky as difficult to turn the oil tanker around although as a slight disclaimer to that kehinde banal in this. Jiro seen coffee have a good day than a bad day. We've seen yates have a good day then about day and it has been kind of race aeneas even today look great for burnell talk about how you just high savviest attacks were but in the end he couldn't hold on mehta on how done so. I feel a bit more confident about his form his chances but i think there's a general agenda here. I think we should address the way. It's a little bit of a russia test to to how you look at life also that sometimes some journalist of people follow the sport. They have a tendency to close the book on the bike race. Five days before it's done. And i don so easily aboard to elect the imagination that everything could change. Have we seen so much gracing. That would just become numb to all of those surprises. All of the all of the above now having worked in this board and having in a major way refund my passion for getting excited about racing. I love that we find ourselves so wrong. Sometimes that we you know especially in the jira in off the days like today we were at the edges are thought as is just. Maybe it's just going to gain a little bit more time. You had him as a favorite to win the bike race. I mean the tables can they might turn An cycling in life we. I think we have to be a bit more welcoming about that. I think there is a definite tendency as time goes by towards hastiness and rashness judgment. Remember a couple of years ago with carapace Women's ready mentioning him after ten days and people were ready sort of fitting rogue lich for the final pink jersey milano. They they consider that foregone conclusion and probably why the tourists well within last year was a classic. Example wasn't brian you. When we picked up at the station in trento today they immediately immediately. You sort of scowling. Frowning at me and you you ready to take exception to my a was sort of lukewarm analysis of this chiro so far and which video. Last night i reiterated that no. I don't think he's been a great year. As i said at the start of the show today because we haven't had enough stages like today. We haven't had enough stages where the whole narrative of the day was knitted together and interlaced and there were lots of different plots playing out simultaneously. And not you know ten kilometers apart with the break one thing and the juicy group during another right but with three mountain stages to go at least when you pick me up today at the train station. The possibility was still there. And i i guess it also depends little bit what we're looking for another these days end up defining the bike race because they're fantastic and everyone gets very excited about it but also it depends on what you're looking for. I was the last time. I was texting me without wine on the day but when i was in nineteen i thought it was wonderful bike racing and when i saw the other victories of some of the grand tour stage winning debutante i think it's very touching to see that as well having so many other sub narratives that makes for great race. I don't have to see five days of geom- wrestle to today about like a chase today. Felt like a race face a lucky. It was on behind those intensity to it. I mean the weather really helped. Unfortunately this racist been absolutely cursed with gloomy dark skies and it never really feels like a tour when you get that relentlessly day after day today. Felt like we were the jury higher there was you know there were vineyards to a vibrant dot greens and you know every zyppah fantastic technical. But you should also you should probably hold judgment until is usually pretty gloomy milano either way but you should hold judgment until we get that. There's always the possibility. And i think it's a lesson for life you really. There's always for daniel. The jira finishes on friday so maybe not swore he was sites out. There was a nice little plug there from brian. in first for today's is all about the stage winner. Some of the surprise stage winners in this year's race and we speak to a few of them including dombrowski who's who's been home knife for the best part two weeks but we caught with him and not available at columbus zero support by super sapiens. Of course am unfortunately given all this enthusiasm and exuberance for the race we after. Nine debunk one of the great romantic stories of this. Jiro the idea that george bandit having ridden on his way by done then accompanied his teammate. Eduardo fini backup the mountain. There was a wonderful picture of this countered. By jerry gruber and spoke to both of phoenix. Bennett smart yes rich. Jewish bennett speaking to me and our friends from beedon's moaning about not only the fini incident on the dunk orlando's another famous photo. Famous has become famous in las forty. Eight hours hayes. Crossing the line in cortina with music slung over the shoulder like London bicycle messenger and also talking. About what a disappointment this jared italia has been for him. Personally i came here to roger. j I just really was exposed to with with epic quickness of being how cold it was and then those conditions really Killed me. And i. I really could having and i really had believed to myself the team back me and and You know it also that In every mountain day except for this one cologne has been really cold and raining and and terrible so yeah just once i was out of the say you know it took a few days to put that behind me and and deal with the you know the reality of the situation that i wasn't going to be in the jc anymore. And i'm here now helped toby s And also i just wanna try and get a stay tuned and get anything out of this. Jiro you know. Make the most you wear in one of the most iconic picture of this zero. Can you tell us a little bit of that moment. On i started hearing stories of people thought. I wrote this uncle toss. It might have hardly minded up there once. Not rogers ongoing costs but I just added a huge job that day and certain coming up. I just wanted to turn around and I thank him for what he did how he road and also just apologize for not winning the stage. I mean y- just somehow that turn scott into writing cohen. How far did you ride reading jokes. I dunno covered under nato's excuse near the patriot. Everyone's talking about finishing with news at the other day Any story about all gonna music with close. The talk and i looked at the jacket jacket the baath and The race was an undershirt. And i wasn't going to stop in stripped down on i'll just cruising to the finish line and didn't really think much of it but you know how these things go. I'm learning i'm learning join. I mean despite the despite a tanning who dramatic. I mean this has been one of the most disappointing expectation reality differential and a lot has been extremely is warning to how i have i read and and those times are hard of course back in general like i still enjoy doing. I'm so happy block today. I'm still excited to be in the jarrow and you know. I'm already looking forward to my nick. Big goals tokyo preparation talking. Getting things ready for this. And you just have to keep looking ahead and keep finding that excite you. As long as i'm still doing it. I like it more now than than when i was young and i was just getting my hip kicked in this is a this has been actually a big thing in the last few days It went a little bit out of line and just make it clear. I think we probably need to get a fifty meters of maxima hundred meters story. God i think it's it's nice to decide about cycling. I still believe that he's a really nice gesture for him. And i really thank you for for for what he has done. But it's also even if you just think about it logically is not possible to make to on so well that was george ben and then eduardo. Fini 'em so well ben. Instead of two hundred meters feeney said about fifty meters will split different show. And y'all split somebody else Is daniel yes. I did rich. Lucky lorenzo lawrence fortuna the winner at cologne the other days bene- fixture in the mixon Of the charming us both on long and with his press conference afterwards today we were talking about he's education and he's degree bologna university and then he shocked us. He surprised us with this. Tedtalk z going. Ccc did my thesis on oxygen and cycling basically so epa in sports doping the biological passport. I got my degree in two thousand nineteen from bologna university degree in science. I mean obviously. I chose a sensitive subject. But that's why. I chose it as a cyclist. As a sports science undergraduate it seemed like the most current burning question to focus on had a chemistry professor who big talking and she had some input so doping the biological passport and they were. The main topics. Obvious that wasn't advocating doping opposite. In fact i grew up watching psyching. Windowpane was a huge issue. But i have to say come into contact with it as a writer myself. Fortunately when i turned pro the biological passport had been in place for wall. And i've honestly never had any experience of doping. I've just studied it on part of a different generation lawsuits to the ottoman on. No norian april gone off so a thesis in on epo and the biologic doping. But you know they're right as well. The have been writers in the past sunday. Those who wrote ten fifteen years ago. Who who probably could also have written a pretty decent feces on ep. Yes indeed daniel also spoke to another writer not Race anymore sadly alexander markey. Who spent a couple of days in the pain jars and then suffered a terrible crash and own crashes by the way just had a message from trek sake afraid. Three of their writers went. Diana crash today nearly went down as well and he has x rays on his humorous. But he's okay. He's a he's been in the wars a bit. Hasn't he believed he fell on. The same side is right side that he obviously had injured fully broke his wrist any before the easy him. What about remco. Any updates on him. Because he crashed his well. I mean he crashed on the past saw somebody and it's not being love at first sight. I'm for remco Has been concerned. No it's been a baptism of fire. Saw patrick say that his ego with taken love at first sight even a fall. Sorry sorry sorry. Sorry i was giving you a serious and anyway shall we hear from someone else. S one of the names one of figures one of the penalties. If the tally is first half the pink jersey for today's allesandro marquee team mates of state winner. Of course dr martin and yeah. I checked in with alessandro today partly because he was supposed to feature heavily in my zero on the free region. A couple of days. Sandro hails from that. He's very proud of his llano roots. And yeah i gave him a call tonight see how he was getting on. The is around the terrific so i had a big be contusion on the longer and then I the broke. I broke around. Seeks sleep sir and then also the the caller and these the most Painful and problematic situation. So i'm gonna neither with of time for the reaps and the we the we decide to not go for the surgery for the collarbone saw is going to be really easy for at least two for three weeks for the from the koran. And why i to be to be okay for the rich an more important. Allison t to me about your emotions. And how well how. They've been over the last two or three days particularly with the i mean originally i was going to speak to you about fuel and we were going to do nice interview about you. Know you'll roots him freely. And how strong lead you feel your free freelance identity. But i'm obviously you had a different experience for the weekend. I completed emesa missing three three days the in could be Freely and the. I honestly relayed. The them didn't see the stage because the the mind so yeah so that's probably the the worst thing because i i was already looking for this three days in freehold especially after the juicy i i will deride who really to to be here to enjoy in to share The the motion with with my we might people And that doesn't happen I'm i'm i'm back a habit the them than Than expected and it was a of of one huge high for you and then lows will those low of i. I suppose of giving while of losing the pink jersey then the injury but you talked in the podcast about this lovely moment when you realized that you were going to lose the pink jersey On the climb. What was it the price down and you took. yeah you took. You took a couple of minutes just to just to contemplate and just to save what happened sex stoller as been any more of that in spite of injury a little bit more time to reflect and reflect on the good things about this deal the end these big angel a really forced me to To to be back with a mind on the on the days. Because i really want to to leave the with with with the nicer nice memory so i don't try to really to forget us when possible that the the question that the way i thought i am the the because i ever really. I've been either to focus on on the on the good things on the the nicer. And i think the euro and the and then two days. Let's say three days in a imb. Inca been unreal amazing for from the beginning to the end. I really enjoy it. And i i had the from the from the people from publican also i mean for all the older people from from the from the big. The big big cehic was now and that is really is really important for a rider during the jiro. When you were here you talked about. You mentioned a couple of times that you're in a you're in a new house and you were checking home. You're excited about how the the grass was growing in your garden. How's it looking really nice. I i just i. I came back yesterday him. I came back with with some so. I'm just coming. I will coming home and the sun was going out and the i i went immediately on the terrorists to see the grass and they can say that the is going really well his going better them that my also however i read green aggressor the i. I'm ready at least Before last thing you must be aware of how well what is sort of strong emotional reaction the your pink jersey provoked in how how much support there was for you. I mean why do you think that is. I mean you've done some then two or three interviews over the past couple of years big that i think of captured people's attention and maybe their imagination and they've identified with you. Maybe they identify with the setbacks that you've been through in your career also your age people like to see a young sorry and odor rider kind of defined the odds. But what is it do you think about you. You probably the worst person to answer this question. But why do you think people identify with you so much really difficult to say that there is something. There is a bit of surfing off everything. A bit of everything that you say to to explain his A big reaction. Probably i mean the the way i i did the iranian temperature of the dcfs. Maybe the fact that on thirty five we also say a miyanda and cycling so that is also Think and probably also the way. Many times i lost something so i lost a race. I lost a big results. I lost On injuries or other and also roy. These are the most common thing in a in a cyclist and the indiana tap into me. Something that is not really komo saw. I think it's probably like that That also through a guy like me commitment stuffing something really being something emotional stuffing Like a big big price. I'm be surprised they see you as the underdog in a sentence sense i do. That's for sure. I can't say that i i really receive back more than what i what i did and that tweet days because i okay. I did a nice days on the four on the fourth stage and they i gain is a jersey fighting and everything indiana. I really to to meet that. I received back more than and what they did. The marquis and sadly missed by the race by guess he will have enjoyed don martin's sage when any other business chops for we know for the evening while we're staying in radio tonight and i've been told by john our friend the historian professor at scuola that we the modern art museum in varietal is not to be missed. One of the best in europe said john a real hipster under the right off rotate for us that we missed by suspect we will well. We probably won't miss the bell in a the famous bowel which was made from the melted. Down guns of. I think only the first will but it was built to commemorate the people who died in the first world will. I'm the second world war. it's very famous. It's the most famous landmark in rovereto. And i think the race is going to head out over the past the bell tomorrow but we'll probably hear it well. Yeah chumps just Breaking news Just had a diary entry from james who was in the thick of the action today. I'm not a chance to listen to it yet. But let's let's start with james from the from the comments on twitter and our everyone sick tired fairwinds and garrone so called the road today and yeah guess myself want to be in. The break was quite nervous before the stop team will putting pressure on to do something. Yeah trying to get the roads and it was pretty scrappy. Riyadh thumbnail headwind isn't really my 'specially to be honest it was It was not really familiar. Some low trion get in no way. Mccolgan were around me a lot to try and make some efforts to meet again. Get the move And then at one point it looked like salary was gone and maybe that was it. Group's dangling in the middle stump. Don my teammates drag him across and he did a kick also to across the very front on a law of flapping around into the down Headwind and it was pretty decent sized group. I think maybe sixty-nine guys we manage to chop off enough. We got over that little boom for that little three k. Client which was pretty hard with von age. Show guys he tried to come across and then from there. Yeah we well we. I was actually a pretty. I don't the tv images. Wasn't the mosque cohesive. Breakaway didn't help oversee bike exchange. I'd ride behind. Takes a little bit the sting out the emphasis most on Moscow from trek with the on presume. They were disappointed not to get any climate in the break and then from there. Yeah a lot of guys in the of team starring the break multiple riders and they have to wanna like yongin pulled pajaro. The won't be boys pulled for john hurt. Unfortunately it's just a little guys trying to on the buck means. I tried to keep rolling through and not do anything silly but it was very stop stall the wasn't helping anyone who was pretty easy going and then yeah that hit the climb already In by this point really getting as much as possible. follow the. I'm pretty sure it was done mining. We did the acceleration so take a half to him today. What we did the Star never skipping tune in the break. You'll see his bike i think. Then he made the selection on the first climb took few think came back across which surprised but they would. The andreani lodden the bygone Just had means theory. The top was taking big risks to get back. And then yeah. I mean sorry. Who solved call in oman. At this point we will we've Yon hits on badly after. Dj and Yeah we heard that remco crushed and the first the statement and then secondly s. basically told is a draw when we should just wait and help as much as possible zahn from what we were hearing draw was for it so the group of the favorites. 'cause full k from the final climate savvy site on the phone is they draw And yeah i guess pretty pretty close to the win. Why was a pretty exceptional right. I mean after. Say as much as i want to win the while kind of think he told deserve. That louis wrote today Everyone don't get much more than a minute. Also the bottom of the climate. It was hard climb really steep it with maybe hot in his uncle and to be honest it was just like a steady eight. Ten twelve percent the whole way up Was a couple plateaus when ice loss of crowds but post club. And that was nice. A new not just of gobbled up Tried to spin out the day's break but yeah it was pretty Precooked by this point was backwards. Pre pre type pretty solo boxer if that was just from pushing into headwind off a little. Bit of a uh three days ago but yeah it was suffering the loss. Climb so if it even if i survived. I don't think i would have been going anywhere. I can't really complain. Just happy to be the road. Happy to be in the mix. Obviously remco crushed. Haven't actually Mom i go back to the bush shower change in the car. But i did see him. Did have to stop by the road. Galloway for group. Petro to pass and he didn't look good and then heard mccowan Struggling i think he will go. It's not like a mobile x ray. Unit goes to the rights. I think he's going to strike back to be checked Of which news. I have no idea but Yeah for my to crush on stage. Seventeen i so when you were already pre depleted already in already. Psychologically broken really going to publish on us. I mean we'll see. Obviously i'm not gonna vote. Yes gone just to get to milan even now but obviously while big time on the One of those things Talk talk about what we should have done this or not but yes i think even draw with say was a hobble and losing time all that much time like on sesame executive what one what went so wrong Any adam we've remco second in jc for so long solve semi barraged. Look like fools. If it on i almost first bianca stage when he was second Old on yeah. Yeah one's going go near the life so always like not much we can do about now would be great. See dr win He's a month to do in the team. At the minute Remmy compulsory spectacular out. The bug tomorrow hall in the t t lung dates moral tune if the symptoms of the end if anyone be controlling that one either circle be another day trying to end the break will have to be still trying to get goggle the roads but not day out Went from one extreme colin trying about Sixteen to two unseen and wishing it with cooler. So you just can't win konami going gonna often do is complain which people seem to be taken. No sorry about and can we have. Can we have thirty seconds of indulging thirty seconds. Maybe myself on what we might drink tonight. We mentioned that. It could have been the weinstein's brian last couple of days ritchie and is so we're in trentino audio ready and where we had a couple of nights. Grime which i was quite taken by my wine dark. It's intense royals of dark chocolate flavors. I enjoyed it. I'm going to try and find something from the other end of the spec to some lighter in jedi tippy top. No not beaujolais style changing major. These years i'll tell you about that another time. No i want to see some freshness in the winds here in the same way that the has now come back to life. You don't see any fresh. She sounds like a threat. You can start. Exacting meting out punishment. Nc freshness in the wind around the cantinas tomorrow. No i know how to find. I've known to find good wines and list. I'm sure we can. We can pick up something nice. I really rate this area. In general i think the the lighter style winds winds with good acidity. I'm not into the dock stuff as much as you are. Daniel so we'll just have to meet halfway cokes crews at ten paces tonight. I just like Nice wine i'll take. I'll take your legal. Take your direction chops a trust document. We lost my bearings and we still going to be in this sort of slayer kannada. Okay in person than me. Yes mount of the mountains. Well listen with what's more to cover over the next days with brian soothing. Tomorrow morning a bit of a challenge challenge. Brian doesn't have to be involved but the lessons. We'll hear about it in the site. Tomorrow they will in the meantime. Thank you very much daniel. Thank you thank you and welcome by. Brian thanks dan.

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171: The Grandest Tour stage 18: The World Jacket Putting-On Championships

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171: The Grandest Tour stage 18: The World Jacket Putting-On Championships

"You listening to the grandest tour by the cycling podcast brought to you by Walker flexible loan bill for Small Businesses I W. A DOT CO dot. U. K.. Well. Well, Richard Wall. Well, Francois Well, well. Well what stage that was at the GM we've again had. Double double header today Jira and Vuelta action behind the edged today for drama and excitement and intrigue. Didn't it? No no I mean. It's not even close as far as I'm concerned. I mean the year I was on bound storm. Wasn't it the world? The world jacket putting on championships really ignited. On the snow over. Yeah. Yeah I mean. Sort of. Echoes what we're seeing last night the the the great fascination in it is is not knowing who's going to win and I'm not sure. We're maybe a bit closer to that tonight but that was really well underpinned to think the drama today it was. You. Know the race was. Being, turned on its head as we watch the. jowl Almeida finally finally cracked But yeah, just so much intrigued so much debate and we'll hear. Joe Dombrowski again, his great insight into put on a rain, check it in fact, and unlike unlike what you just said Richard, the racist tighter than ever I mean, you get three within what fifteen seconds So we don't. We're we're. Nearing the end with the Jiro and we and we have no idea whatsoever who is going to win that and it's even tighter than it was before that stage. So yeah. Well, maybe maybe at the end of our jeeter discussion will each pick the writer who we think is most likely. I'm not changing my I a made some sort of again we'll yesterday and they mean an emails Grenadier while naming them. So I'm sticking to. Muslim. Lionel, can you give us the headlines from a dramatic day? Yes. Richard. Well, first of all, the JIRA stage eighteen from Penola to laggy Deacon Ikano two, hundred, seven kilometers over the Stelvio, the beautiful mythical legendary Stelvio. Fantastic camera work have to say today the way they the the the way the picture unfolded and and told the story was a fantastic. We had lots of shops looking down. Through the happens pins we had helicopter shops giving us the picture of where all the rides were and it was absolutely absorbing. Wasn't it? As you say, wow, made a finally cracked quite early on on the stelvio climb and was well, he he had faust Masnada of quickstep, his teammate to help him but the help was slightly sporadic. Shall we say let's talk about that a bit? Yeah. We will talk 'cause it was quite quite a what apparently apparently. Not Not, not very popular with. Portuguese cycling her tonight according to our colleague. That doesn't surprise me but it was a day. For debate about team tactics wasn't it because Wilco Kelderman cracked and Rohan Dennis was doing a fantastic job in your screen. It is he had Tayo Geoghegan heart on his Wail Jaw Hindley of Sun Web had wilco Kelderman for company. But then suddenly Cowden was not there anymore and we'll talk about whether or not somewhere played it. Right. Then as I said, there was drama of both. Sunway. Is Struggling to put on their warm jackets going over the top of the Stove Rio and on the final climb, it was Hindley Geoghegan heart together and Hindley took the stage win. And as you say Francois, there's only fifteen seconds between the top three countermand road. I thought very well, a lonely old fifty kilometers for him but he's moved into the Pink Jersey. He's twelve seconds ahead of his teammate John Hindley Tiger Tiger Geoghegan heart is at fifteen seconds but so much more to discuss from the jere moody that in the first off of the PODCAST, you may be slightly lopsided podcast paps first half will be about sixty five or seventy percent of the podcast I don't know and be. It'd be like a seesaw with you on one hundred line on your your baby. You'RE GONNA. Say You on the other side? It'll be very much. Forty Sixty wouldn't it? Would it would it would anyway over to the welter cracking stage again, a cheeky uphill finish the stage was won by island. Dan Martin ahead of premature glitch and Richard Cantu past the site of the three leaders jerseys coming over the line one, two and three broke lychee still in the overall lead by five seconds from Dan Martin counterpart thirteen seconds a lot of. The the original juicy contenders still up there but the race goes on without Tibo P. No, he did not start this morning. So the welded over for Pinot, we'll talk about the welter in part two. You're listening to the ground is told the cycling podcast or not to you by Walker flexible loans bill for small businesses. Join fifty thousand customers taking on life's twists and turns and scaling new heights with Iwa if you run a business find out more at I. Walker Dot Co Dot UK. I W C. Dot Co, dot you A. Thank you very much to our headline sponsor I walk they've been supporting us since March and we're very grateful to them and they're allowing us to. The grandest tour, our nightly podcast throughout the the Jiro and the wealthy Spaniard five weeks of daily podcasts. Lotfi to listen to thanks everybody who is tuning in, and then if you'd like to New Orleans Moreover, I walk on how they might help you. If you have a small business goto I I- cut DOT CO DOT UK that's I W C, DOT CO DOT UK. Now Chops where to start with today's stage of the Giro. There's a lot to talk about but in case it gets missed I want to just say a little thing but Jau Omega who has been while he's the Pink Jersey now. And what great ride from him his first year as a let's not forget a young writer and He lost the Pink Jersey is still road accepts seventh on the stage for fifty one back, and he is now in fifth overall with I would think a decent chance of holding a fantastic performance from him and the way that he fought today even after being dropped and as you said, Lionel having some erotic help from his Nada who appeared at one point to be showed the angrier him a great a great ride from an Almaden he has well and truly arrived I. Think I'm an OB fascinating to watch his progress, but the real story or stories were happening up the road weren't they today? M. Of Say Hatch did a great job of calling the race today and one of his memorable lines was goodbye Grandad's as he acted fool syon. Vincenzo, nearly slipped on. I think we were still in the back of our minds on the back of my mind was the idea that Nibley might just produce something today that never looked likely on it really was the young guns but but Ron Dennis as well. I mean any US PUTU writers, feelable Ghana, and Ben Swift in the in the breakaway Joe Dombrowski was as well. We'll hear from him a bit late thrown. They clearly had a plan today am but it was ruined Dennis. You know I don't think anybody saw him shredding the race to pieces. OP The stelvio at he did fantastic. Right got rid of Kelderman as you said, and then m giant only was there the he was the stone in the shoe for a ride any OSC remedy's today I'm. The couldn't shake him never looked like shaking him but the question was should giant Louis have waited for Wilco Kelderman because Calvin was ahead of him. Well, ahead of him on Jesse, he was riding into the Pink Jersey. Am Yom paper has a better chance of winning the race. He's in the Pink Jersey now. Should John Henley have waited for Wilco? Kelderman that is the question. Well I think was you you you? You use toning the shoe you know metaphor or? Image A. I think inle was a dish in the shoe of Wilco Kelderman as well, and probably starting shoe of Luke Roberts who was in the car trying to decide. Tactics for for Sun Web. My. So meets obvious. It shouldn't have waited for we will kill them because we so today I mean calendar of at a very, very hard moments in in in. At the end of the Stelvio. Could even wonder it because he was much better in the final climb whether it didn't at a little girl as we say in French the whether you don't have. Obviously was going much better in the final climb but in in my opinion, not only should not Henley have waited for the Kelderman but I think that in in the final climb. was probably you know told to do all the old back a little bit not attack because he could have you know spurred. Geoghegan heart into reaction. But given the impression he gave today and the days before in the mountain, my personal impression he that Hindley could could really have. Done more than it did, which is window stage and take the Jersey because if you look at the results of these, only twelve seconds behind Kelvin an eddy. They they kind of watch each other. Like a gig on the and inland the final climb and my impression was that Hindley could have. We could really have attacked and it could have definitely you know the killed Kelvin? Kelderman. Jiro chances my and finally my impression is that what's the what Sun Web ed at the back of their mind? He's the final T in which normally Kelderman is better than Hindley and they didn't want to sacrifice. You know their leader to to Hindley's You know chances because of that final t t but but for me by far, Inle was stronger the stronger guy. Today and it could have. In my opinion made much more damage than it did. Line, where do you stand on this great debate? While it seems to me fairly import son. What did the right thing? At the moment that. Kelderman was struggling it was Tucson weapon to any off granite is and for some web to say to Hindley they would have to say immediately, they would have to have made that decision pretty much as soon as customer was kind of fifty meters off the back that that was the point at which the decision had to be made, and at that stage, there was still a long way to go to the top Stelvio. Could have gone either way a councilman as it was he was he really rallied he dug in erode extremely well for fifty kilometer even though he was times, it looked like the gap was opening but how the gap you know he he dug in when he clearly wasn't feeling to good and. You know he rallied a lot on the final climb. But in the moment, they couldn't have known where the Cowden was going to blow and lose two three minutes four minutes, six minutes still a long way to go point a long way to go and if Hindley dropped back and. I. Would I have got straight back on would count them in state in once they got straight back on only things are unknowable. What we do know is if Hindley, an could himself to Kelderman a night ridden perhaps maybe limited killed Kelderman lost by what? Maybe thirty forty seconds perhaps own that would have done. Really would would be to to move Hindley further down the G. see it would marginally of strengths and countermands position Iva Geoghegan haw but it would have put Hindley out picture from the team's point of view with one mountain stage do go okay it's not a severe with the on yellow nor on the course on Saturday, but it still three climbs of Sestriere it's going to be hard. We could see the same sort of split happening over those climbs far far better to have Kelderman Hindley number one and two with only really guy you can halt to worry about okay. Peyot, Bilbao moved himself back into sort of distant contention but the the picture is pretty simple and daring really good positions on web and it could have been an awful lot worse and fronts while you're exactly right in what you say Hindley could well have. Have made more on that final climb but had he tried to attack Geoghegan Heart? You know it could have blown up in his face and they could have been sat there sat here tonight with Gagan. Heart. In the Pink Jersey and then Kelderman and Loot Robertson wholesome web organization really would have cause for grievance and then they would have really messed up I. Think they played the percentage is extremely well the other the other point is. that. We were of talking about Richard Dishes your thing as well. If it hadn't been Hindley and Geoghegan Hall on the final climb, because Dennis would have been dropped and it would have been gay can haul on his own suddenly tyrese. Rice. Would it be completely transformed instead of riding side by side with Hindley out the final climb both of them wondering what Might Happen Geoghegan Hall in that? Similar position thinking well, if I attack Hindley but don't drop him, I could be vulnerable to the counterattack and my chance could slip Geoghegan heart rate would have been completely transformed. He would have been racing for the stage win and the Pink Jersey and trying to gain as much time as possible and we have seen him move out of touch the to sunway brighter. So I think although countermand. We gather finish not happy. With the fact that his teammate didn't wait I think probably didn't help in fact that the teen call went past him as well on its way up to Hindley on in the valley road but I don't see what else they could have done. If they'd made an alternate decision I think it would have worked out worse for them. Yeah I think I think if they'd go ordered Henley to wait for councilman would have been a bigger gamble and and it would've looked pretty daft and I'm not even sure how much of a difference it would have made them. Counting was struggling and it was uphill and downhill, there wasn't a lawful of valley before the final climb I mean his head seemed drop after the car went past him. His body must have been pretty cold had problems with his jacket when we began onto little discussion on on that because he and giant problems putting on their jackets for the descent and they might pay for that over the next couple of days who knows. It might it might vessel than their recovery I I always believe as well the M having a rider with those two writers up the road. A slow them down because. The got someone sitting there. He's not going to work the giving him a free right Psychologically, it's quite difficult and to make a really flatter effort. That's not the case for Ruin Dana's but for tailgate and Har- Having this anchor sitting there I think might have just taken up a percentage or two off his ability to commit fully to the right and as you say Lionel, had he been on his own in writing to the stage win and? The Jiro and on the Pink Jersey he could have. He could have got it all out and raising with with. Henley sitting there is going to way on his mind a little bit. But Calvin is annoyed. You know there's no question of toll that he gave a couple of interviews. Emma. The finish where it was it was very clear that he wasn't happy but. Henley wasn't told to wait for him and I think you know the wider context. This is Kelvin is leaving the team. Cap Henley is not Henley's a young up and coming writer. They've not to riders on the podium at the moment. But also, Kelderman is not one of your your absolute bankers to win a grand tour and he's he never did willing to third week of to I. Had it been nearly are fru more you know. Evens Bernal or carapace or or somebody who's proven themselves before done it am. On if it was some, you know I I'm just I just doesn't convince in the same way as as those guys do your rug Lich or somebody Moolah. AM It might be in a different scenario, but the hierarchy in that team isn't on probably shouldn't be. All about Wilco Kelderman not not when John Henley is clearly going as well as he's going. we we we can. We can wonder what's you know wh y why Bluecross went to Henley you know in in in in the descent and left them in there. What was it to? I mean you official version these cease feeding. He was called the rush. Yeah. He was calling for the car yet but but but but but my impression was that that that the tactics were were being decided at that very moment and and and I think the reason why also not neither neither inle or geoghegan art attacked on the final claimed that they were. Both fearing backlash like at giggling attacked Henley would probably accounted for the stage win and the same time. As you said, the Lionore maybe Italy was was was wary that gigging heart you know might have countered in the lost everything still issue see the showing of inle in the mountains in interests in the last couple of months and stages I, can see how? It'll be tricky. One insist here in today's time you know because I, I can't see but at the finish as you say Look pissed off but it looked it looked really really tired as well and I can't see him recover and be a major contender or I insist Leo in today's time and but I can really see Henley again. In a position to either win the stage or Make some time. So what what do they do insist year all four Kelman or I mean the that they're still headaches head of for for. I mean a word on tail gigging heart. We're talking a lot here by the the Sun web writers but. I listened to tailgating Hartson's if you after the the stage and what's clear is that you know he did not expect to find himself in this position he signs slightly bemused the is in this position and not. Not speaking like somebody who really. Feels that it's on and yet it is on. You know he's he's third on GC's fifteen seconds time and it's fascinating to look back at the the first few stages of this race 'em. The Stage one time from an Promo Henley was actually the quickest of the three of those writers. They're killed him in thirteen seconds behind him tailgating thirty six seconds by in Henley there. In the stage fourteen, time trial killed was quickest with heart thirty, seven seconds him Henley one, fifty, two down in that time trial but also look at aetna 'em Calvin was the the best up there. Henley lost fifty seconds that day until gigging heart lost one, fifty, three on Aetna to Kelderman. I mean, the margin's now are so small and yet those kind of time differences in those three stages are pretty pretty significant bray substantial. That's why I'm saying that was probably what was that back of the of Luke Roberts, mind and Sun Sun. With teams mind they did try to limit his losses today. I think in in in in the fight in the finale of to the stage because normally on ICAN, win the jury on the team that was the main thing the atmosphere. Sorry. Sorry. Francois Kinison. Atmosphere The Sun web dinner table tonight might be as chilly as on descent of the Stelvio am because that was the other big talking point at their inability any of the any Australia's taking heart and Ron Dennis one minute they were writing out there in their in their racing jars. The next minute seem to have their winter jackets on I. Don't know. When they did it whether they had drones maybe dropping them down onto them. You know t many Sephora, everything I. Am I think it was like it was like Mr Ben I just missed. Shop and then I came out in the right outfit. From from from what I heard we we we should I should check that but it that they were not even the same jackets because because Hindley was was Was was wearing the special special jacket with the White Jersey on that had been given to him by the organizers so know. And Henley, the jackets were not the same brand. So you know maybe maybe of marginal gains and Yours Grenadiers I've ever trained session in the. Chance your chance Newtonian. Jackets, course or something these these skills. These skills can be the difference between winning and losing race for most famous in ninety eight when Yonemura 'em, how to problem putting on his jacket and really suffered with the cold and probably lost through the France. That day I remember seeing the Mobile Julich by and he he was having similar problems on on that descent and eventually stopped and and did manage the best way to I mean that's Some guys? Yeah he was really he was really. I was listening to your spoilt France and the. and. The guys, there were former riders they were saying to Inle, and then to kill while not Kelvin twin limits stop you know you'll make back easily you know stop put on jacket and joined the guys you know that you are certainly think that. That would have been the smart play. I mean when you think we saw recently in the Tour de France. All kind of effort and thought and just calm headedness about swapping from time trial bike to a road bike on the plunged fee time-trial. You know the time lost is factored in what you know is it going to be fifteen seconds thirty seconds whatever but they made the calculation that it it will pay back on. The climb by being on a different bike, and of course, getting started again on not necessarily on, you know the fastest bit road going over the top of the Stelvio you could afford to put a foot down just take a breath getting a jacket on I mean this is so easy for for us to think from our comfy armchairs watching the Jiro But I was kind of crying out. You know it was a kilometer. Also for Hindley to put on that. John Nervous Energy you're. Just, a stretch of doing it a nearly came. Off Watching. was through the roof. You. I mean you know the end of the GRANDAD's in the in the old days they would have put puts. Page the newspaper pages on their. On their. Laptop, you can put a laptop in Europe. Stop Putin pipe pipe and slippers for them at the summit and. Is a happens as I watched them both to somewhere writers struggle with their jackets. A conversation came into my head. I had recently with one of their sports. Rights is Hans Timmermans who looks after many of the women's team, but I was asking him quite law. Some web done in lockdown and he emphasized that they'd really work the law on technical skills as he called them Well, here's what he said. We did also they need to. Out Tara leg warmers within five meters. Sort of one on one off and I think in debt thoughts be already made big steps into the technical part of cycling. which is also really important. So Timmermans, they're saying that one of the activities they'd worked on Thomas was taking off leg warmers in in races in certain periods of time. But I don't know if they practiced with their rain jackets as Welby the they should have done. However, the circumstances today were very particular and the weather cooled rest of it, and will we thought we'd ask one of our audio direst 'em for an insight into. Just how difficult it was to put jackets weather is something that professional writers do practice here is Joe Dombrowski. It's funny. You ask about. The rain jackets. I actually had. Music with Gabba, and gloves inside. A k. from the top of the Stelvio. And I. Couldn't put it on either. I tried and then you know almost crashed and it was a bit embarrassing actually. and. I mean normally that things that sort of thing isn't a problem. But to be honest I think that you mentioned. WILCO had a hard time putting his jacket on and eventually just. Dropped it at some point anyway. I think that the fatigue. Comes into. I. Think I I really think like. Probably most of the guys are so fatigued on a day like today. that. Basic Motor skills start to kind of deteriorate I mean think about it this way if you did a four hundred meter all out sprint on the track. And then within five seconds after it's like, okay tie your shoes. It sounds simple but actually you know if if you do it, I, think it's a little bit harder than you would think. So I think on a day like today where it's really full on racing and there's a lot of fatigue and I don't know why. But the last week in this year we've had. Really long stages I think Since the second rest day, every day's been over six hours on the bike and then again, tomorrow is. Something crazy like two hundred and fifty case. So I. Think Probably. Something like that taking off knee warmers putting on gloves putting on a rain jacket when you're fresh sorts of things are easy but it's funny. You ask because I had the same situation today, I couldn't put my Gab on. I mean at that point, the group it caught us and I was just kind of writing to the finish so I stopped. On the side of the road. But the jacket on. Put my gloves on and took my time but Yeah I. I actually experienced the same thing. Well we know rich when Road Illingworth ran the British Cycling Academy based out in. Italy these were all the skills that he would work with the young riders because he was training them to become professional and power of a lot of the work of professional riders he's not just trying to win races. The bread and butter isn't it dropping back to the car carrying bottle conversation with the sports director while the cars moving along at forty five kilometers our. PICKING BOTTLE FROM Swann Yona, side of the road taking stuff out of a music after the feed zone passing music to a teammate. All of these kind of skills are of the right at armory and the if he can be just good at them and do the more dramatically in times of stress when it's extremely cold and as Joe Dombrowski says, said, you know the sort of the fine top chef you've fingertips going into cold or in the the heart beating it can stand riding in good state but it's like penalties Utah you to say, I think like penalty shootouts footballers. Any professional football can take a penalty and you know they practice them all time. But when it comes to the the the the situation where you've got a loss stake in a crowd watching, it just makes it harder and here all you've got the weather playing five ten, the motor skills, Gore's as Joe said. Bob. Case. Yeah so I cannot. Yeah. Now I was just I was just about to say you know I'm good to keep an eye on ebay tonight because I'm sure there's a couple of white rain jackets on sale. So for cheap so you know you know look. I'm not sure we would get into those jacket. We'd have we'd have similar problem getting into them, but for different reasons. There's no way ZIP. The cycling podcast is supported by Science in sports. Science and Sports. Cute by science. Thank you very much indeed to science and sport are longtime supporter since the Gio, in twenty sixteen and never thought they'd be supporting us at the Gio in October twenty twenty. 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I should also said that if you become a member of the second podcast community within lock at, you benefit the podcasts and other way of supporting the podcast. Thanks every much thanks very much everyone who has signed up anymore talking points from the Geo today before we hear from one of our, another art virus knocks yes. Yes. Francois yes. Now, I wanted to make a point about the you know T- Niaz you know of a never never been so. Much of a supporter or fan of team skyrocketing meal, but the depth of of their. Of, their team is we know that has been amazing. I. Mean we so obviously the stage wins they had under Jiro losing their leader on the first day. was impressive already. But what run dynasty today we we knew is much more than just a time-trial specialist came second in the tourist Swiss. Two years ago beyond the number now. So I mean, this is a guy who's who's more more of a not versatile writer than we think, but we sometimes think but what did did today was absolutely amazing and and once again the depth of the team well on all terrence even in the welte. When when when you think that the the three leading men for the past ten years I mean. You from. Thomas Burnell Unwell on nowhere to be seen still have. The means to strengthen the the crew to to to to keep you know challenge in that nat an and you know the. Obviously contention to to win this year a Sil Sila. Believe you know still putting my money on the same guy and And well, I think that I'm in the way Dennis Road. The the we sacrifice himself you know you knows it's not the fastest guy in team or in the world anymore in time trials and but I mean it was you know sometimes you know dentists. Perception the perception we have Dennis is two full because he's a strange man he's got a strong temporary and kind of very odd character. But what what did today well, shampoo? Absolutely. I feel we also ought to redress the balance a little bit rich with Yaacob, sang because he's climbed up six places today look very good at suddenly compared to how he had looked on the earliest uphill finishes. But perhaps, this will play to his strengths a real tough stage late in the race but. Up to six place over role and the King of the mountains. Competition also has a lot more clarity today at bisness this battle between Ruben Gallo of air cycling and Giovanni. Visconti Visconti was a non-starter today according to his team. He had been struggling bit with the pain in his right knee and he didn't start the stage today get add are scored a lot more points on the climbs today. So he is now enjoying a commanding lead of Ova, one, hundred, ten and twelve point lead I think is over Thomas again. So looks like God, who WanNa, stage, early on in the era, of course, will also take the Blue Jersey. Well. Then if you fancy becoming professional cyclist, you dream of the Glamour of professional cycling and think it would be the the job for you the life for you. Well listen to James Knox's diary from today. One of our dinosaurs couldn't quickstep. It was their final days defending the Pink Jersey held by Jal Omega. Here's James Knox who Yeah. Wow Wow Say All Day Discuss stint many many ways. Obviously. SHOULD THEY FORCE IN? The? End. Not. Really Anyway, we'll put put round it. Did a good job. Open to the. Soviet but then. Suicide Ryan Odd. I got dropped and then I think. Sounds like Dennis took over and live off the wheel. Drive including. Equal to try to help him and limit losses, which sounds like they did a remarkable. Job In. Lemon losses and. STAYING UP FIFTH-PLACE IN DC which? Yeah he's his moved down but. Also still. Still. A great ride considering everything. Unbelievable rights today by. Giant? Entail? Mind blowing these guys are just turned pop. From my perspective. Did. Could Today Tried to stay active and in the front of the Star and. Make. Sure. Those No. A disaster breakaways. Overspending a bit legs. but yeah does. Not, make. Any excuses. I was way off the pace when we Saigon the Stelvio and got dispatched. Well and Good improper. With, a long long way to go its pretty disowning when you're already on the limit with. Twenty K. of. Two thousand meters vocalist than ever to go. and then from there yeah. Just felt worse and worse and worse just. Hating life to be honest Sarah. Up. To me took care of me. To 'em begged him pleaded please go slower. And Yeah, eventually slowed down such pace that will crawl in over the top. A Little Group was a nice little group an into absolute shambles Los que whenever on Saipan Akin. Stopping Point, on jackets. We should have just had a mutual agreement up on the top but yeah, there was. Then, suddenly, bodies everywhere on the descent and I think a few logs didn't get back on book. I was okay. got mine. He's at. An ice halt. Energy Mix. Ballo could just. Might. Fluid goal my Kelman. Descended on the Stelvio wasn't too cold I'd I'd low gear In the final to come. Carlino just ticking down the happens again. mcquay miserable is ticking down all. Fifty five. How many of happens around the Stelvio? Still, taking them down and then still gonNA, drop it trump to the hotel. Yeah. Just on the massage table now and Yes. So can in the day to? Day was. Seven hours on the bike. Stuff face with. PUCCA crisps. Three toasted sandwiches face the. Bull Pasta. Yeah. Got About now. Survival in it. Madness just madness. Ten guys last, we've legs by looks at it Everyone else's. Bottling on. Road, down the. The final climb with. All the poor Renault. Clotting Grupo while you've. You've got. To take you off to. Cheering on all Varo survived another day ano- safety in numbers. I don't think. I think some of those boys were. They ask from. I. Two three kilometers today, and that was the whole race. Can you imagine? Two hundred ten kilometers. Chopping off behind the race. Last ambulance in broom-wagon flu. Sasha COMPLA- always be worse but those lawns. Soldiered on got through another day. To and Sixty Coleman rains look forty tomorrow. I honestly can't get my head around. What's the all about? So Grim. Tune sixty. K., raining all day. Pun. Flaw roads I'm just GONNA wear all my kid. But all the hulk on muscle. Sit Las. Wheel. Countdown the case. Stage nineteen. Yeah Know needs to the. But what can you do? What can you do Yeah. Via surprised. How hard this is? Done of been spending pennies when Ivan on doom. Only emotional of. Of Defending Pink Jersey and and all this. Yeah. I'm done now while. So. My head down from this day often? Dream of Milan no. Time. A time. While I mean not. So that's a bit of a mood killer is really sells it I mean. You know people people do occasionally make comments about the advertising in the socks and podcast. That's that's from the banks. Of advertising their. Sell it James I mean I do simplicity's with him now two, hundred and fifty eight kilometers I think is tomorrow it's more or less flat as he says, the weather forecast, he's not great. I know the the grand tour often hostage to the start and finish towns available to host the race. But it does seem unusually cruel to have basically a classic length stage in between these two mountain stages and it's that change of rhythm. We've often talked about it could be an extremely slow long day in the saddle and the climate is we'll have to get their climbing legs back again a Roy off the gun, the gun right off the start line on on. Saturday. So it's a real rhythm break here tomorrow here's my prediction though I think James Knox will be up the road in the break on Saturday. You Mark my words. Well. Okay. We're going to move onto the Vuelta moment bought. Who's going to win the Jiro I? Lionel who is going to win the? I hate during this but I think tire, Geoghegan? Haw might win it. Francois, you tailgate in hard as well. Yeah well, I I didn't name the guy, but I said denials grandeur. So yeah, I think I think he will i. I don't know. That that's the that's the feeling I have is he seems is is form has been proven a Assad of Jiro and this is this is what you know. Drenched winners do Kelderman this is heading. inlay is probably not good enough in in time trials, and then for me I mean, yeah. The up and coming force is is is Gigi. No I mean I I it's not impossible. I. I thought Kelderman pre impressive today to of cracker bit am an income back from the I thought was really impressive. He did start fatal again towards the finish but on the climb, he really did rally pre pretty well. and. That was after being passed by fools saying. And Bilbao who wrote very well as well. Today we should we should have said he was third on the state and. Sheldon and if Yeah if Kelderman recovers. Okay, I think he could still You know with the stage got inside. If it was on yellow, I would be more pessimistic about his chances by I. Think he's still. He still sort of in the driving seat. I mean, we should we should say as well. stelvio absolutely. Magnificent it loot. Amazing. A beautiful stage to watch and. It really delivered today's stage GonNa go with with Tara Geoghegan heart because it finishes the race finishes with a ten mile time trial I. mean that's bread and butter for anyone brought up with cycling in the UK. But also, well, we had a show in the Pink Jersey. Then, it could be joy. What could be Joy Taio it's an amalgamation of show. Isn't it? Putting together. We was. Once owned missing from. And once. and. Once again, I mean the the the guys did the race to the guys who really made the salve today were the INEOS Grandia denizen Geoghegan heart that the one who really really blew up the the bench and you know and ruined. At. Any fans. So They probably do the same again Sicily the and I think he's got a best jumps across I'm along the coast for Lunch Jim Ratcliffe tomorrow. I did you know? You know the We've my son webbed with my son rain jackets and Willis in. Get onto the before we run into overtime as as we did last night as well, and we probably will do tonight but today was felt like. Stage that really worth kind of digging into some detail and Don Martin He hasn't won a race in a long time. Very emotional. In his post race interview said it was first win since. Becoming, a father having twin girls almost exactly the same day as you became a father Lionel and you've not had a win. So. Something you've. Objection they're down the Indonesian remembered down. Get Hill cycling and. Went. Pre early I thought I mean, once again, Seppuku, salute just like he was on rails a very smooth. And loot he could. Float away at any point like a butterfly but He's always kind of looking back. Isn't a is like Andy Slack and French like when they wrote together and and they always looking over his shoulder for for Franken sat koos bit live with Primoz raw glitch at the moment I mean raw glitch, Luke strong and your great win for for Don Martin and for his team Israel start up nation on Chris, Johnny Lot team nature of linked through it back to today. Yeah. Had A floor on the didn't he? Connick didn't recognize him out of the saddle on the front I well. Style didn't look quite the same. The. Heads keeps moving up in though and then yeah, you tell you was from the not blue pre similar to me a much. Yeah he was a mile I think we'll. Do a mile, maybe the my own a half a mile. No I said lots of good things by the emails so I mean. It was it was nice to see him do the job and do his best and and as we're mentioning the the grandmas new believes the that there. There are far worse off. GRANDAD's then Chris Room. I'm thinking of Dumas and of course of Tibo Piano if people granddad not yet. But anyway. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not as you from. Yeah you know doing his job the. He'll go all the way probably in this welter hope which one bid. For some of the guys somebody didn't have such a good they. Esteban Chavez who has been writing really well, and it's been nice to see him be really up there at the sharp end the last couple of days but he had a puncture to the a really. Terrible moment and he lost four places who slipped to eighth lost a a minute or so today. Esteban. Chavez. Not Disastrous but not ideal, and while the guy who helped him trying to get back on with Nick Schmaltz, who's keeping all diary for us at the welter. So we ask Nick for update tonight, and here's what Nick had to say. Stage three Has as you would have seen if you watch the stage we had quite a bit of bad luck with with. on the final climb, he had he had a mechanical problem and. Had To. First of all get onto. WHO's bike which is way too big for him. So he was running out of the saddle for a little bit and then had another by change and got back onto one of his beds. Not Pointing the rice while I was. Waiting, for him and helping pay him. back onto the bunch of first time and then Then the second time just pacing for as long as I could before he sort of took over and. And did a time travel to the lawn but he limited the losses quite well considering it was just really really bad timing and really bad luck We certainly haven't lost any any morale from it and keep fighting that way and take every opportunity we can So. Yeah I the the goal for the team. Is Still. Too Fast and Mikhail and see what we can do there, and while looking for stage opportunities with basically anyone in the team we've got a strong opportunistic team he and we'll be looking to go after. After any stage they present themselves and and and just be opportunities to come and smart about the. DANGERS THAT WE WANNA go for So, yeah we'll see what happens in the coming days. Tomorrow could be a very fast day with a little bit of Cross Tower Wind. So. Yeah. I think selection Wabi important monitor want to pull out the fifty five to chiming tomorrow could be a very fast on well estimate Chavez, did limit his losses to a minute and six seconds and he down to eighth overall a minute and twenty nine behind rogue. Lynch. the same cost of characters at the top of the DC isn't it rich? It's rogue Lich and counterparts, but now with Dan Martin in the What's Slovenian Ecuadorian Sandwich Doesn't really works doesn't really work while polls road well today. He looked off the pace earlier. Fourth on the stage that they could ride from him and i Alexander Vlasov as well. That's pretty good. This one or two new can't come into the mix. But yeah, we've had three pray similar stages with similar outcomes really haven't we? Been What, what you have one two, three with the three. Jerseys and the and the the the the top three guys in the. Top three guys in stage Th Th. That's been the world are so far like it's already. You all set I hope he's not but. A quick where on. Maybe not. So quick on on Don. Martin. Martin could be an example for the GRANDAD's the you said what wait passes thirties? Yes. Yet two difficult years, lots of injuries. Crushing the finisher injuries back. And here is. You could tell from day one is in great shape I think while you could tell in the interview. As you know it was really emotional buried I. Think I heard yet another one. Race for. Eight hundred and thirty four days if if it's I don't if it's right with but. That's all as well. Amazing you well. It's It's great because I think we all like Don malting is a great writer and lots of the lots of the registry. Can we remember his wins India's passengers tour of lumber the and a couple of welter stages and it's great to see him back in there where he belongs. Yeah. That last victory talking about was on the mood debris town in the Tour de France. Well. Yeah Richard You'd to them out going from a long way I thought it would follow too far out i. mean shows how much I know but I mean it was a a real indication of of of confidence. In his strength. I. Think I mean you know you're racing against Caterpillar rogue late, who are also good on that coin finished. So boats, welfare, di, Martina, and. Well, we talking last night when we about the the fact that the tournament I stage on, Sunday might be hanging in the balance that is now. Well. Significantly. Rerouted isn't it? They're not going into France and they won't be going up the Tuli on Sunday. That's right them. Yeah again. Similar problem I think is in with the Jiro and none Saturday's stage. But yet they've re rerouted and Saturday stage of the wealth as well. Sundays but yeah, they've going. Which is where Cantona and come to door ambushed Christopher I with that incredible Basically it was it was it was real heist wasn't it they? They, go away and. Consigned Fruman and couture to a long chase and put him out with a picture. It was an extraordinary stage in on a tough finish tough climb but not quite the tool May. But at least there's a stage on Sunday, and it will it will be the same sorts of riders. You know I went off to the race all that much anything. Well listen we should wrap things up and we'll be back again tomorrow of course, with more from the Jiro and the Vuelta. Before we go, we'd like see some. Thank yous to friends of the PODCAST. Thanks very much. Everybody who signed up at the second podcast dot com for me a big. Thank you to Allaster Lum PA Jones. Keep? Brigham. Is Keith, bring up or Keith Brigham. At John. Hope David Morgan Jacob Nielsen and Union Monroe and a big. Thank you to Matt Hittin David. A Clarke. Craig. starling. Rico Mba. Gem Aska, Jackie Foster, and Philip Chapman. And Great. Thanks to William Carter, Jason Penny. Richard Would Thomas Anderson Michael Chan Mark Stafford Than Philip Kelly And thank you to you. Lionel thank you, Richard. Add to you, Francois. Thank you very much. We'll have Francois back. In a few stages time tomorrow, we'll be joined by double Jira, Rose State. Winner lizzy banks.

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Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save man. I'm looking at this video of Mike Tomlin exiting the field after they beat the Jaguars yesterday. The dude is fired. A they made it out of the stadium. Stadium alive. I mean barely though barely hoof Jags own Pittsburgh soul in that. They play them pretty tough defensively. It's all Leonard for net took to Instagram to talk trash. He's like we're still two in one against y'all which is all right. Some sort of rallying cry. How're you doing? I how am I doing feeling the effects of the weekend guitar up that I did physically taxing? And thank you to everyone who went up to UCF. I can't really think the administration all that much. Because what we did was unsanctioned. And I got all sorts of backstory about how our previous arrangement was nuked. And I'm not thrilled about it. I'm pointing yeah. Yeah. My radar's totally locked in on iheart media is is Leonard fournette slow or did. I just look at like that plays because they saw plays where he really slow. There was at one time where he like broke past the line, and let them for what is it two hundred and twenty five pounds. He had a db in his sights and. He tried to juke them as opposed to what everyone was screaming to do which is just just run through them. He's not that slow. But he does he does look plotting then entire offense looks plotting. It's it's it's like college, you know, you can throw. So you just run every play even run with your quarterback. Well is the turnout would you say as far as people that were there just to see like fans of our show in Orlando? I went to I went to game day. And a lot of people were wearing the national championship shirts that that we'd given out in Orlando the previous year, you know, the whole let me say this on the front and the whole campaign to go out there a year after to deliver a trophy and t shirts kinda gets neutered by the fact that they also made their own fake trophy and fake t shirts and they're legit. Like you look at the campus. Police the car say national champions in the stadium at the bounce house. The call it the bounce house because it actually bounces it when. You're walking and you see the entire Dan's balance. It's super dangerous. Yeah. It's it's it's pretty scary. I've been reassuring good thing I've been reassured they reinforced it. But when you're there, you're you're shaking, and it seems kinda dangerous. I like a good calm crowd. I don't like the feeling of the stadium shaking. I don't like when you go to pro player. Joe, whatever the rock the rock. I don't like when you go to the rock, and it's like, oh, you can feel the stadium shaking mill. Thank you. I don't like that. I don't like to feel like my life is in danger because a couple people are too excited. When I go to concerts at the triple A, and there's people jumping around or dancing too much. I'd prefer if you'd start dancing so much 'cause I wanna get out of here alive. Today you ever get nervous looking at the upper deck and the people in the front row. It's like be careful. I hop leaning over. I'm not an engineer, but I have to think that your accounting for people's weight, not people creating all this force on a building that isn't normally accounted for. Well, I would think that they do think about that stuff. I I don't know. You would think, but I'm not sure I'm not sure. Well, that's why they went out of their way to reinforce the the bounce house. But yeah, even on the press box. It says two hundred two thousand seventeen national champions. It doesn't even say co national champions, just straight up. We're the only national champions from this year UCF, but it was a great atmosphere when I actually went off to drop off the trophy to this designated tailgate. There are a lot of people waiting their shirts were a prize possession over there. Thank you to all the show fans that have been out there that said so many nice things, really. Appreciate it. I left the trophy with our affiliate people out there because they do such a great job out there in Orlando such a great job that I forget, the call letters, but they helped us out a lot. So they are now in possession of the fake trophy a trophy in which I just realized we put the wrong year on what is what is their trophy? Look like, they're they're national championship. Trophy. Yeah. I'm not entirely sure. I just know that they actually have one. Are we out of shirts? Now, officially your fish Lee tapped on shirts, were you handing a Malik Santa Claus. No. I wasn't actually I had. All right. So I took the remainder of the shirts that we had here. But there were many we had about maybe twenty five shirts here in this studio, Orlando affiliate had an entire box still, and they gave to the people that were organizing this tailgate. I must say on the air that this was not a sanctioned Orlando affiliate event. This was just people acting independently. And it was just a an organic pop up some people had shirts out there. And they were handing them to everybody that was a glimpse of the trophy and take photos, so they were all there. And again, the trophy has the wrong year on year. Does it have on it has two thousand eighteen because they won the peach bowl in two thousand eighteen. However, you're supposed to say it's the two thousand seventeen now chip now, that's what it says on the press box. No, the press box is wrong. You saw. Kevin. Yeah. That was cool. Legendary caller who called twice on Friday show. He is a gypsy, man. He is a gypsy man shoes. He might have been wearing crocs. I didn't get look at the fees. I think a look at the feet. I just my first instinct was to ask where the green jacket was because he wasn't wearing green jacket, but he pulled out his ID. And he proved show you to to show me not only was he Kevin which he was. But also that it was his birthday locking claimed. What he smell like? I mean, he I didn't get a whiff. There's a lot it was sensory overload out there. But he's a gypsy, man. Why don't they play the game at the end? Like, why don't they play New Year's Eve to avoid this confusion? Right. We're all sort of confused by honestly, we should've slapped on two thousand seventeen now can work for this year because they could still be thirteen to know. It'll be a good tro. They're going to do that thing. I love that. You can just say, you're national champions. And honestly as I understand it. There's a record book that when you look up. Yeah. Their list champions, they're listed because in up until the PCS views and even post BCS because I think there was a year that Auburn was like the AP national champion, even though USC won the BCS national championship. It's so much better nowadays because the national championship game was really whoever was the number one team in the country because a bowl tie ins it would play like the number twelve team in the country at the Orange Bowl, and they just be champions. It's all super arbitrary. So I mean, it's not that much of a. A leap what the UCF did big football weekend down here canes. One dolphins didn't lose dolphins cancer back targeted back. We're so busy all the way back all the way back. Here's another key thing about what UCF did. 'cause they're like how crazy is this? This is insane. And they have a pretty cool setup with a memory mall. And I'm not here to knock your fake national championship. I'm really not. But like fake. No, it's cute. It all of it is very very wholesome. I don't know if you're where is very wholesome. But they're like how does this compare to Miami because they're feeling themselves because they're having what they think is a really crazy tailgate. It doesn't. It doesn't it all compare? Really it doesn't compare. It's unfair to compare anything to anything from this city because thing. Anything because my are definitely tailgates around the country that are better than the university of Miami. Still better is subjective. I'm saying just generally immoral like you walk into a Miami hurricanes tailgate, you feel like you need to go to church the next day by people hate. Like, this is why. Eamon Gilmore, and you know, what that's a university. Miami thing. I'm sure it's the same at certain tailgates when they actually have people go into the games same thing with FAU. It's a south Florida thing. I'm sure there's a section of US UCF that has a rowdy area where they're doing like ice losers. I saw of that what's really cool is all of it happens on campus all of it happens on campus. So it's kind of a cool. My aunt Miami owns debauchery. I mean, well, Billy. This isn't a university of Miami thing. This you're wearing. Yeah. There's you know, there's Razi tailgate put it on the poll. Does my my vote Nevada? He's the only one listening to this. Put it on the poll does Miami owned debauchery. I mean, not just the tailgate. You would agree though. In terms of cities, Miami is debaucherous city. Like, there's vague people. Go to where you go if you want to wild weekend. Sure, if vanities a top five Vegas had a college football team, which I do and it's nothing closer what Miami has. But I'm sure if they actually had a good program there gates might be wild. It's just I mean vices are built into the city. I live is a better example of that. Then the canes tailgate though, like Miami can be a crazy city that doesn't mean that the Miami tailgate is crazier. I feel like there's crazy parts like Tennessee, Georgia like there's probably crazy stuff happening at these tailgates again, crazy and fun. Those atop tailgate. A Miami's not on any Miami's not going to be on. It Miami's not going to be respected in that college. It's not a college tailgate. I mean, you have these labs blaring, and you have closed that aren't at other tailgates. You have dancing that is in another tailgates. It's just a different deal. It's a lot more debaucherous. Speaking of south, Florida sports, Bill you're talking about underwear before the shell. That's nothing to do with. Gets kind of a joke because it's so bad down. Here are sports and like underwear gives off. No, there's no time just pushing through it was actually funny when it had nothing at all the do, right. Sports gives off underway right now. What what what piece of clothing will go with it? And we'll piece of clothing does south Laura's. Chris hats. All right. Are there other things that when they happen? You say, oh, that's this piece of clothing. No, right. Like, you don't say, oh my God. This apple pie is just like improv works. Are you happy belly? You don't it? We're not. I know you're not supposed to say. No, we we were helping you out just like keep pushing forward. And here we are complaining. Well, what were you saying about? Why are you talking about underwear? Why was I I choose be told I ask in the room is this person still a sponsor of the show because I don't wanna do this. If they are sponsor of the show, they're not as fun to the show anymore. But I was just saying, but we would love to have them back. Well, yeah, whoever here's the deal. I I'm in a strange place right now because I'm not happy with my current underwear. And I was happy with my underwear before. But I feel like they've stretched out. I'm just not satisfying me the way I want anymore. So I'm curious if anyone has underwear suggestions because I can't really try on underwear. That's a normal thing. No, one can really try and underwear because I can't open a package of underwear. And then return, I mean, I could if I was Chris, but I'm not so I can't open a package of underwear try them on and return them because I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that. So I need to know. That's the thing is that you need to kind of know what under where you're. Getting before you buy them. And I don't want to spend you know, a ton of money. But then what am I going to do am I gonna bite different packages of underwear and see which one I like is. I've spent all my underwear budget on that. Well, if they're you said there too stretched out he said the underwear to warn because it might just be that you need new underwear. The brand is not the issue, but you just need re up. No. Are you supposed to switch out on a good question? With all sorts of holes in them. No, those you should toss. Truth be told I was walking around a lot yesterday. I was a little sweaty. And I'm feeling uncomfortable today. And I feel like a part of that is because of my underwear like shower might help. No, I showered this. But this is like I feel like it's like a diaper rash situation. Oh to get too into this. But it sounds like my weekend. I was alone parenting this weekend. So please do tell what piece of clothing did that remind you diapers. I was my weekend. If my weekend gave off a type of clothing, it was diaper. Does anyone have suggestions I wear? Hanes boxer briefs. I'm putting this on the poll if I wonder how much of our audience owns pairs of underwear with holes in them. Roy. What's your is? Your under games is your underwear game strong. Not really I mean, I own Hanes boxer briefs owned, boxers. That's about it. He's like the classic you go to like, WalMart or target. You buy fruit of the loom. All right here babysitting. Yeah. How'd that go? You know? It was awesome. Wait, don't you start because I saw you out of barley Friday night. Yeah. I started. I started Saturday. I was actually part of that was day. One of you will I started on Saturday morning. And so my wife since I had her all weekend. My wife was like, you know, you can go a couple hours, you know, take a couple hours off since you're going to do it is so tiring the single parent thing, you don't recommend single parent. I was this weekend for forty eight hours. It's like I'm just telling you I was more exhausted. Again, walk me through what you just a single payer. You're you're gonna learn it. But it just like doing nothing just hanging out at the house taking her to Dunkin donuts walking back just being in control the whole day. It is I was exhausted yesterday. What are you? You're looking at me like, oh what his parenting not tiring. The sins is rolled into the back of her head while you're talking about the struggles of being a single parent. I mean, we'll Roy's the only other person he with the experience. Do you agree? It sounds like just stayed home. He did just deal, dude. I even went over to my parents house. So I could like, you know, she could see the baby, but I was just like using them. So you were not a single parent for forty eight hours. You dumped her on your parents. Are you were there with somebody else, obviously because they were driving? Well, when I went out to the bar. She was with the baby meant really it was a rough day morning was truly forty-eight hours. It sounds like MAC thirty six. Christie leave six thirty AM six thirty AM Christie Lada. She got back yesterday lady like late night. That's not forty eight hours and back this morning at six twenty went through his parents house because he needed a break. All no. I I was there taking care for what? But like, I, you know, you're going to learn this Bill, you judge me. He judge me you're gonna lean on the grandparents one saying that it's hard being a single parent. I wouldn't remember myself as a single payer yet. But also, I think you're trying to overstate exactly how long you are by yourself. I'm not overstating. I'm saying I it was tired and went to walk the Dunkin donuts. Yeah. We'll walk the day. Generally you day August through your day woke up woke up woke Dunkin Donut. What time did you wake up like seven AM? Did you take your daughter to Dunkin donuts with you? You woke up at seventy but your wife, let at six thirty the baby wakes, you know, have kids they wake up at seven AM yet. No every baby not every you know, sometimes I'm trying to figure out if your wife left before the baby woke up, my wife left, the baby was still sleeping. I was like oh good. The baby's still sleeping and then like twenty minutes later off. Well, let's do this. Yeah. And then we went to Dunkin donuts walk to Dunkin donuts. Street. Did you wear one of those things none of them across the street with your baby? Look both ways. Crosswalk. Did you use a crosswalk or EJ while he used across? What did you wait till the late change hitting me? I mean, I'm Jay Walker by myself in Miami. Maybe not a I was my child. Okay. So you went to Dunkin donuts what what is your baby. Have. She will. She had eaten. We gave her a little yogurt before we went. So I got a little gave her a little piece of my bagel little bites. She didn't really anything from there. But this isn't this interesting of a story. I'm just telling you. I'm just trying to see where the law a normal weekend for me when my wife's around at the end of it. It's not that tiring. It sounds like your wife is more of a single parent than you. Why? I'm it sounds like she does. Well, that's you know, moms are the best dads just trying to like Roquette products planet. It's the moms are leading. We're just here. How can I help? How can I make this easy? Yeah. We're just here. Right. I love you like what are you guys like trying to like, what am I lying about? But that's eight. The only person in this room that could support you. I I'm not really seeing that strong of an endorsement of Roy's probably hasn't had a weekend where needs like gone away for the interested in your day. So you went to Dunkin donuts you came back from Dunkin donuts. Yep. And then and then we just kind of hung out watched on TV. She ended up taking a nap. And then when she woke up early afternoon over to my parents house, so go to the park. My dad was adorable watching him with her. And then we walked to the park a lot of walking. We had a good day. She I think it was good. All right doesn't seem that laborious doesn't seem that time. That's what I'm trying to express to you. But it is in charge me having to like pay attention just be fully the one charge a for for to like to Saturday and Sunday all day. Well, look, I don't have any children. But I do hang around my nieces and nephews, and it does seem that they just exist their whole existence for the first few years of their lives is they're constantly trying to kill themselves, and you have to stop that from happening. Exactly. So you always have to be all right. She's crawling and trying to walk different places touching things. Just like, right. You can even yesterday. I was trying to watch football. Like, you can't really watch football. Because where are you where it's just, you know, parents you Penn. Yeah. But she hates being in it. My friend has already put up his Christmas tree and his shown about one years old. Now, the first time I've got the Christmas tree all lit up too early for Christmas. Yes thanksgiving if it's happening earlier this year than previous years. Also, I prefer thanksgiving be a set day. I don't like this whole. It's just it moves. I don't wanna told me. I don't wanna told me either. Now, you get a nice little just like debris habits set in my Callum calendar the entire year. It's like the final there Thursday. Yeah. I don't like it that way. Yeah. People already putting up Christmas lights in my neighborhood to sorry for the baby. Yeah. So I'm guessing the your child is going to have her first Christmas tree up. Right. I was thinking we might go a little fake Christmas tree because I feel like she's just going to be wanting to crawl climb that tree. And it's the same thing if it's faked she's going to try to little it's not going to like do as much damage all babies zoo is just spend their entire time trying to kill them. Right, right. Get the glass ornaments on the tree to that. You said the little things that you don't really pay attention to when you're when you don't have a child. Yeah. What happened with your friends? Maybe then I'm confused. Yeah. I mean, he experiences I Christmas tree full while. So you thinking about oh, wow. A lot of I for challenge. And I'm thinking, oh, well, I'll get my Christmas. Tree is clear going to react to that. When you get your Christmas tree as you thought going to react to that. You know, that's part of parenthood. Right. They're just part of parenthood just seems like experiencing simple pleasures that we take for granted right away. And you relive things through the eyes of a child. Support for the day lebatardshow podcast comes friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety and stress for a lot of people. Well, our friends at Quicken Loans are doing something about that. They're calling it the power buying process. Here's how it works. Wicked lows will verify your income your assets and credit less than twenty four hours to give you a verified approval that gives you the strength of a cash buyer. 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This is our show with still gots on the ticket. So he sabotage at the top of last segment that it was an amazing football weekend here in Miami. The dolphins didn't lose and the kings are totally back. F- I used to and stuff still. So we go to our resident college football expert. Our friend of the show Marty. Smith is Virginia Tech guy. I'm going to give it to them for a little bit on that. And I know he was at Yankee Stadium Morty how you doing? Us totally back. You don't just throw in a Blacksburg and blow out the Virginia Tech hokies. We're so back. I Mike what else is rosy today. Hey, you could be doing something cool with the, Dan and the show we got a moss Miami event, and you're going to be having a mardi party out at at winwood with us. And if you want any sort of information on that checkout, laboratory brothers dot com, right? Dan martin. Thank you for doing that. He's coming down. And he's bringing the party with them. What's it gonna look like what's the party party looked like December fifteen when you swing down here and make all sorts of chaos happen at the win would yard. We're closing it down for the night. Let's call the win. What y'all so you can expect a yard sale. For me. I'm getting Jack pretty good raise a little bit of hail. We'll celebrate your fiftieth. Yeah. You know, look at AOL over twenty nine raised very, well, Danny, and we are we're gonna throw down. I can't wait. I'm excited to celebrate Dan's birthday. But I'm most excited to see how Mike Ryan looks right before his debut DJ set in front of all of those enduring fans of. Doing that. That's not very nice Mike is gonna make. I'm here to pump him up maybe ever seen feats, like body party, pre-game speech. I'm gonna have him ready to strap up and spend the hell out of it record. That's right. They spend. Records. It's going to be a jump drive nothing. But I am very nervous about it. Because it's live mixing, and I'm taking this very seriously and your your an hate to say this. But you are headliner was squeezing you in among acts requests or headliner. Mardi talk him up. Why are you nervous? Why am I 'cause I've never done this before? I I only have a few sessions under my belt. I'm doing lots of live mixing, and I'm the headliner. Even though I told Dan the only way I would do this as if I wasn't headlining. And I was you know, just just some window-dressing, really. And now, I see a flyer, and it's my big nervous face on it. That's pretty much what the phase is going to look, brother dot com. Go ahead. Tell them mardi. Do you want me to cut? You won't meet a headline. I can come down there, and you can put on like, Kenny Chesney, she thinks tracker sexy. And I'll sing the hell out of that. And then you could you architect could be the headline. Well, how'd you I'm already how do you feel about the fact that Mike Ryan is the headline that's nonsense the morning whenever wonderful wherever the morning party ends up. That's the headliner. I am very much accustomed to playing second fiddle. The Alabama crimson tide mardi like, ooh. Yeah. Nobody's honest to God. We've been talking about this around here their second team led by Jalen hurts is that is that the best competition that they would have if they played in the national championship game against their second team with Jalen Hurd. No, no Clinton's good, man. Not only is Clinton good. They're really starting to figure it out. Trevor Lawrence is he's a bona fide scholar now at quarterback their defenses elite. They look very complete to me now and only in the last couple of weeks have they look back complete. Notre Dame looked very good. The other night. I was here Yankee Stadium. But at this point, I still believe it's Alabama everybody else from a lot of different perspectives. Their death is unbelievable. To he's going to run away with the Heisman Trophy and their physicality. So I think that I think that Alabama. If they don't show up unprepared, which I don't expect and they don't suffer some sort of catastrophic injury. I think I think they're going to win it in convincingly. But Clinton is good guys. They are you mentioned Clemson. And I was watching that game against Duke a little bit. Why do they form the field after beating Duke thirty six six is this something that they do every game? Was that cost the program does that concept program money? What to run on the field? You aren't there? Some fines involved. You can't just storm. The field for being in a basketball school by thirty points. Why not? Who's absurd Clemson coach? We'll play of so many years in a row. Well, if it's tradition. I mean, so some people will say that other schools going to their fan bases on visiting fields and singing their own all the Lodder to their own saying basis, it's cheaper. Whatever. I if I were I would care. Who cares? What anybody else thinks? Maybe you don't care. What people say y'all don't care. What people say I wouldn't care. I don't care. Maybe they thought they beat the Duke basketball team Marty was do basketball team. But with holy smokes. Yeah. Would would you say there was go ahead? I'm sorry. I'm cutting you off. Would you say there is anyone happier than Nick Sabin when they were tied? Ten ten with the citadel at halftime. Well, I can tell you this the hardest week of practice that those young men experienced this year was last week. He he wears them out in games like this where they're fifty one and a half point favorites. And they're facing the triple option and all of those things, I'm sure I'm sure he appreciated it. I'm sure it's going to be used as feel this week that you guess. I guess like twenty four and a half. I mean, aren't they cover aren't they covering every spread aren't they covering every spirit cover against the citadel? They didn't. They didn't. I know. But before that did they not cover every got him to did get him. I just marvel at them guys. And is it rat poison yet as a piss off coach. Yeah. But and I said to an Alabama fan on the New York subway, by the way, if you guys want to see a humorous undertaking. Watch me take the New York subway. It was ridiculous. I was just asking random. Well. Hey is this the right train? If I want to get the Yankee Stadium, and they looked at me as if I were some alien from another planet. Because probably they couldn't understand my accent. First of all, but look. Again, it's it's either unpreparedness or injury. And when they lost the iron bowl last year. I was saving after that. And he said to me, look, the hardest thing is convincing these guys. When all they do is win that they can be beat. But so many of the leaders on the team right now got beat my game. And they're not gonna forget it. So I don't see him showing up on prepared. I'll see him looking right at any. I of history mardi last segment. We were talking about this. And you've been all around the country, where do you think they have the best tailgate and the most debaucherous tailgate in college football that would be one of the same Louisiana state university in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. When I showed up when I showed up at at death valley at like five fifty in the morning to make some sportscenter television a couple of weeks ago, a guy with an eye patch and a Bullhorn sit welcome to death valley party party. It was five fifteen and he was already. I'm not here though. I love mardi as we say to the U is back. Totally back storm into Blacksburg, Ed defeat your hokies. Mark Ricks genius. What the hell's going on with the Virginia Tech hokies? I know you had a lot of injuries. How does that happen? How does that? How does it happen? That Virginia Tech is a touchdown underdog at home and get slaughtered by a bad Miami team. And it's the first time Miami's quarterback is looked any good. I just don't know it it. It's so perplexing to me. And you know, Mike, you're mentioning the injuries. They had a lot of the billeting injuries. And I think that there was some sort of all hope among all of us who are Virginia Tech people when they just smoked Florida state because I think everybody felt like as he was better than they are. I mean, they're just not good and. Then Josh Jackson gets hurt. And when he got hurt you just kinda go, but everybody felt like we had still had a capable team. It's disarray right now. I don't understand it. That is one of the best environments in college football. And to just get get ran that doesn't happen in Blacksburg. So they had done yet does. Because the last time it does happen in Blacksburg because last time they played a game there. It happened against the bad Miami team that blacks, I when is the last time of Judah tech with this bed. A Virginia Tech team was this bed. I don't remember it might use. Maybe when I was growing up. They were they were bad before. Frank femur got it rolling. And they were mediocre in France later years in fourteen fifteen sixteen that fourteen and fifteen era, you know, they were not especially competitive on a national from a national perspective. But this is this seems look I I haven't I haven't called point today, but foster or anybody like that I've been immersed in whatever game, I'm covering. So I don't know what's going on in her workings. But it doesn't. He is going to be immersed in a mardi party, December fifteen Levitan brothers dot com. Is where you get the tickets. It is a night. That's not what we don't want to many people there. We put the prices vary Ford -able. So that fans on the show or not priced out the winwood yard, laboratory brothers dot com. Mardi will be hosting Mike will be DJ, and we will have some cool. Miami music there Marnie. Thank you, sir. I I look forward to talking to you before we head up to December fifteen. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I can't believe it that Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. Hello until we get there alone. We get there. I'll get there. Now. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with Geico. What's best buttoned-down? What's this button? Do what's best button? Dale. This. Believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Donlevatar who I who? I shared a while. I was on the same flight as and then I shared a tram from the airport to the rental car terminal on this past trip, Elvis Crespo's. So that oh, wow. So recess while they meant skies alleged. Yes. To God's Glenn sina. I'm going to say it was on. Android old. Look at us bonding over so unreasonable. Yeah, I know I do you guys are talking. This is the show with the stugatz on the ticket. I left out one part of my journey to UCF when I went to college game day, I had the the backstage passes. So there's like a little bit of an area there, and so many people from the program came up to me, lots of people from the department and in talking to them. I was like, you know, it'd be really cool is if I could talk to Danny white the F director he's been on her show. Maybe you can get a picture with him holding up this t shirt, they weren't actually helping me get this. But they were helping me, you know, they were pointing to the general vicinity that Danny white was in. And they're like, yeah, there's Danny in the glasses. So I looked to a group of people several of them had glasses. But I had this one gentleman with white hair is like that has to be Danny white. He looks most like an athletic director. So for thirty minutes. I'm angling to take a photo with a Bob Baffert lookalike who is not Danny white, by the way, I was so sure that. This was any white. I couldn't Google it. I would have Google that Mike why why wouldn't you going? But there is no signal. Your data is useless. When you're at a Cutler game day, especially one on campus like UCF that's on we blew it. Yeah. We blew it. My night UC my chest. Like, I have UCF on my chest. We should have been telling UCF to make game day circus. We should have been telling the fans of our show who are around campus. You saw a lot of signs while you're here. They are fans were out there in full force. They just weren't in good spots. You seem to be able to do whatever you want. You are on the field. I was on the field. But I wasn't just an just walk on the field. That was arranged by ESPN. Yeah. I didn't just field field passes. Are you doing everything that you possibly can to avoid that LeBron came in here yesterday if the against the he took that shot that Kyrie got mad at like that's how he got fifty one was on this team. You would have thrown the ball into the crowd lane Stevenson dared him. So that was his explanation justify them. I don't know what you do with the fact that you've got money tied up in a bad basketball team. It's kind of a bummer and you lose weight it out. Well, no because no, no, no. This is. What I'm telling you say, that's all you can do. There is no way that that's what Pat Riley does just no way. His the plan was to have these guys improve this year to prove that they can improve from what it is that they did last year that was the plan last year to one year of show me that's the plan. I'm just telling you what the planet. Okay. But what is he going to do you Jimmy Butler ship sailed told you man, lost his touch lost his touch? Okay. Lebron comes into your building ho- home. Fifty fifty burger what are you going to do? Nothing nothing because that's what you've done for the last few years. I'm sorry. You're the godfather. I'll love you forever. But I'm just mad right now. And you gotta let me bent, okay? And got elected for throwing his shoe. These guys don't get any calls though. Because there's no big names on this team when Wade's not there, there's no respect from the rest like, Josh Richardson. I don't I don't they don't even know who he is trash Richardson got frustrated because he couldn't put his shoe on. And I'm sure that's not what the only frustration was. But that's what it looked like. It's he had foul trouble. And then he goes up and gets like hit hard, and he doesn't get any calls because he's Josh Richardson, the type of player you don't pull off a bargaining table. He's Josh Richardson. He's never going to get the respect. You know, why? Because he's Josh Richardson. Hey refs, how about you don't pay attention to what their name is. And you just call it. If it's a foul, no pay attention to what his name is his name is Josh Richardson, and it's absurd that you pull them off a bargaining table. Pat. I love you come on, man. Wait, are they gonna give him a max? It's coming rates coming. It's I'm so sick of saying, hey, these are good movable contracts. If there were movable if they were good they would have been moved. I saw list on Twitter of the twelve vote here. Who's the most underrated player? There was twelve guys. He was one of them. That's what we have. But then you see the next poll worse contracts in the NBA. We've got about five of those. How do he do in the voting? I don't know. It was just one of those that was a slide show. I wasn't actual voting. I of bum that Dwayne Missa game. And let me say this on the front end totally understand. Dwayne don't be there. It's just a bummer that thing. Every everybody's scared to talk about this paternity stuff in anything other than radiant. Glowing turn feel the need to say every time. And it's totally fine. It's great. It's great that you're taking on there and take all the time you need, please. Even if it's all season several seasons. No problem. But you know, what we have some necessary context suit because at video at the start of the season that he put out the one last sand. So it was like super long. We we felt like we were missing some sort of information when he talked about this is the this is the bargain version of the grandpa farewell to away you only shows up for like forty of the tour date, but it's important. I especially when we're about to miss things, buried minutes, seven and a half. And it's ten minute. I'm coming back video. He did allude that there were things going on that we didn't know about. And we were like well could there possibly be going on? We know everything there is to know about you. But it is important to bond, especially when you have when you use a surrogate to sign is crucial. But it's a it's just a bummer if you're a fan. This was your last opportunity see LeBron in this building playing against Wayne wait and miss them. The baby. He has its own Instagram page, though, if you want to check that out the earliest, there's some really cute pictures, and I'm very happy for them. It's just a bummer them. We think I'd say another celebrity couple that lives their life on social media. The way those two do can is there is there such every celebrity. Every celebrity couple. Now, I understand you could use the example of them looking very moist after what was very obviously sex on their Snapchat. And the that's different. But couples nowadays Pete Davidson areana 'Grande like this is what happens on social media. You get an you get a knee a name that combines both your names. It's part of the deal. They're never gonna win in these vice chairs are they? Nam and look at play good. Then we'll cliche is getting really put to the test here. We'll look good play. Good. However, it's Josh Richardson and not Dwayne Wade. Well, but how do you feel though Mike about one team has a Laker jersey guy scoring fifty one. If you saw one point in the first quarter, if you looked up at the big Jumbotron you saw or the just the scoreboard where they keep the data. You saw LeBron nineteen points. And no other team at all zero's by all of his teammates saw on your side. You've got LeBron James on one side. You've got LeBron James on your side. You have a guy who gets checked it. And is the story for throwing a shoe. We like LeBron now. Right. Like, we're over all that stuff. You guys. How is the cursor? Lebron ROY you were there was was there a lot of boos for him. No everybody justify dad, just my dad. Just just just gone this specimen kids like three-quarters Lakers fans there anyway. So there was no boy it sort of goes hand in hand because we're no good. If we were good and could talk ourselves into being any sort of challenger. We'd boo him. I've got something for you. I've got a no, no, no, not news. Has something for everyone. Respects, first of all it borrowed its borrowed from Ethan Skolnick, but Cleveland's record or credit five reasons record without LeBron ninety nine and two hundred and twenty seven Miami's record since LeBron leaving one seventy six one sixty seven I'm saying, you know, that when LeBron leaves your franchise is gonna get wrecked. One of them is incompetent Cleveland, and they get wrecked. Miami gets in his purgatory where now they're tied up. Now, it's a bad team incompetent. But they found a way to get something for LeBron the first time he left something that put them in position again back. What did we get? That's what you want. What do we get you want to me? What's going on with the waiters nothing? I want him back ever. But what's going on there? I told you it's unprofessional rehab like I I walked through the arena recently with somebody on the heat. And you know, they're big pictures of Hassan Whiteside and Dion waiters and just what people spit around. It is our leaders. Look, look, look at our leaders. But who they blaming they blame me he shall not be named and Dion waiters. We're the. We're the franchise. I gave them the Iraq. I know Mike but hold on. Let's backtrack a second. Okay. Because I don't want to sound like a Riley apologised on this team is in bad shape. There is no explaining away the condition that the team is in I expected them to show some improvement that Josh Richardson, and bam and Justice would grow. And you know, you got. You got rolled by the Sixers the UN's growing. All right. But I would say to you when we were all back there. I remember you specifically making the arguments because I was always telling you, Mike, really you're going to build. I'm not saying I'm right on this. Hold on a second. But what I was what I was saying at every turn your building around Dion waiters Whiteside. I kept asking you guys. Are you guys? Good with that. And everybody every time said yes every time. Yes. You give us on a max, you can't let him go. Dionne was great this year. It's easy to do. Now in retrospect yet. No, I agree with what he was saying they weren't playing a but by the time plan aimed be fell apart. You had to bring those guys back at even at that price because he couldn't lose them for nothing where the criticism comes in is number one. They should absolutely be smarter than me who should totally be smarter than me. That's that's a real. Okay. But number two is when we sign them when I was telling myself to soothe myself was we can trade those contracts. We can okay we'll build up. Josh. Richardson into a guy that we could trade for for Jimmy Butler. What do we do not that Philadelphia? You see the place that Jimmy Butler is making win them games. I would love that over here. So what's the plan? Once you build them up. You're not gonna build them up. The superstars you're supposed to build them up into assets. Get superstars failed their agreed. Well, then well, how do we fix tank time? It's time to tank tanking tank. Let's tank tank tank time tank. What what happened yesterday? Isn't that? What it looks like Dan tank time, then you're on board of the tank. I mean, you guys. Yeah. This season's not going anywhere. Not try try. Guts was in here. Trying to get a lion for Zion. He's still here. He's somewhere in this room. Right. You're not trying to get a slogan going lion for line for Zion. Well, not try that makes a lot more. Why would do? Although Pat Riley has lied to. He's failed the city failed to families is just so many teams not trying harder than the heat or not trying. Yeah. She's the problem, and we had you we sell the culture that it makes it impossible to not try. It's really into. It's a real catch twenty two here. Dan, it's a double edged sword. What else what other cliche could this be because if you start tanking then you cannot try and does run counter to culture counterculture. That could be the shirt counterculture culture album here. Just put the word counter in front of culture. Can't go. This is a bad situation. Here. There's they seem very far not not at all close to a championship. I'm like your mind me hurricanes who are totally back in. How about that? Mark richt visionary. We only had to do was have both tight ends injured to to stop playing them and go full spread with a spread quarterback. How novel of an idea we actually use the spread quarterback in a spread offense. And we are so back Cam Davis. This kid told you four five zero talent everywhere. Why do you do this to yourself? Pit. We're going to send a message to pit. Even though you're not pitch. Good laughing at Pitt all year. They're gonna lose. I bet you lasted them last year when you were banning revenge game. Home. Locked in their place in the I'm telling you aim. We just figured out how to play man I meant pits nut pit is. In that third tier right pit. I want to say pit as good pit is good the same way. Syracuse is good. They're both better than Miami. But then they flakes someone like Notre Dame and they get slaughtered. And when Pitt faces Clemson that's going to go poorly. That was a bummer that Dungy got hurt though. I wanted to see Dungy again said that Notre Dame defense devito, although has come in a couple of times, and he hasn't been as terrible as it was in that game. No. But Dungy Dungy's a good quarterback. Where did he get hurt in that game? What whose bizarre early and how it was bizarre. It was in the first quarter. He took what seemed like a routine college football hit, which is you know, three guys laying on top of you as you get three yards on a QB draw. He's a good college quarterbacks off his nails. He every time. You see this guy? His his uniform is just so dirty. It's incredible. I or nails so tough meals before trying to hammer them in and I'm not as strong person. But I bet nails Mike Ryan if. If Miami had Syracuse quarterback, Miami would be very good. I think there were saying college game day if Miami had McKenzie Milton they'd be in the college football playoff. Agreed. And it's hard to deny that because I was on the field up close with McKenzie Milton. They call him, Casey. Did you know that? I'm really sure I like that. But anyways hails from the weight, and he'd be absolutely great fun to watch isn't. He he's super fun to watch. I'm not really sure what happened in that game. Oh, the kicker, and then it totally deflated Cincinnati. But yet Dungy got a routine hit he popped up went back to the center. And then he just crumbled to the ground in pain, which reminded me that football sucks on your body. Right now Miami's projected by ESPN on a guru and Sherman right now bowl games. Dan, take a guess Bon Agoura has Miami. And the quickly bowl. I don't even know what that is. Wow. Ford field versus northern Illinois ROY quick lean bowl northern Illinois and Sherman has Miami going to the walk on independence bull. All right. Okay. They've dependent schools a little bit better Houston. Ooh. I'd like to see that they've checked out at all of our major Applewhite's whole bad situation there, and you know, you're thinking, whereas if you're gonna play good question, Dan, probably better bowl bond. Girl has them going to the chair Bundy tart cherry, Boca Raton bowl. Wow. Mouthful gets USF, that's dwell. USF is not very good this here, by the way. My he said, yeah. Did you say USF? USF is not very good. Although we are headed into the war on I four by the way Miami's a four and a half point favorite it blew up to five and a half now against Pitt. They're gonna win the game easy Sherman. Dan has fight you playing SMU in the bad. Boy, mowers Gasparilla bull back to back. 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8 BIT CRUMBS - 08 - 27 - 2020

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8 BIT CRUMBS - 08 - 27 - 2020

"Total. Wine and more announced his points with a purpose. Now through September thirteenth collect five times points on wines and spirits. Points earned was a matching donation to local charities up to two million dollars in total shop with us today visit total wine, dot, com terms, and conditions apply. Markets. Astute Actually. Watches you do this. A little those. You. Know. Martin was asking like. He needs to be updated with all the extremists. Thank you takes awhile man it's a journey. So I told them you it's a game. Yeah. So long game to play you gotta play you gotTa Grind. Do it takes it takes years, people reach partner. Does. That's what people need when they finally get the notification at the reach partner they just start crying. Might. Get a little muscle you on. A camera with your partner man I will. Be just going to be all soaking. Mustache right. No it's real. You, know people try to fight this to foul. Oh we got. We may partner. Over. Has. Just goes back to. Back when I was in Buffalo. And they told me. But I had to show him him. Dan Martin knows my origin story. God Damn Right I did. Sorry, y'all. told me. I'd be chicken wing factor. Yes, and I did but again. We all serve two years the factor that mandatory. Wings. Cities named. Go to buffalo wings and you like these ain't even a good. Good. Let me tell you. We want if we were not on a time crunch and we pass through buffalo that time we're going to Toronto I would stop and pick some buffalo wings next time. We make that journey again, nine our. Fellows we'll be going to. Jail because you. Shale, they're ready to kill the. Still Katie in prison right now. In a Mexican prison. Well, it'd, be nicer. which is still not letting us out. People. Welcome to the show everybody. Glad to have you here. Welcome to a big crumbs and you can see Martin's ear because Martin was just on the show that we did before the movie extravaganza. Tonight we're GONNA. Split these shows up in posted up D but. On the original stream, it was the double toasted power hour were we had to consolidate shows because the screening that we had for bill and Ted? We there was an embargo Ford for the review right and we couldn't do it until tonight low. So. I stick around is see what foolishness we do over here. I'm glad they Martin with this not as easy for you guys talk about me behind my back. We talk about everybody when nobody's around. Talked about me when I was, of course of course you. recorded. What the Hell is going on people. Let me introduce. I guess they have rebooted because they started out weird again. Folks Welcome. The G. Chat. In the side bitches over here, the side bitch chat I don't know what the Hell is creepy mass. Yeah. Jesus. But look. There's the means go the these kids love beaming. I'll bet is so nasty. Just got here. Starting now filthy. But welcome. Hoop side bitches hit a day DT DOC slayer, JC, Blood Marissa Twitch Thunder League graves Emag Xabier how you doing good people good people all around trump is that people? It slips up sometimes it. Let's see. He's a New Yorker to. Old People so In the coin box not here tonight now, he's not a left home because he was talking shit before Horsey was easily you cut him off last time to let them come. Apologized to too much to talk. That's why I say I've listened. There's Batman Batman is greater than Corey about as we all know, that's what I said as we ask some do and he just said well you. Remember. This. Did. Not Know next time. I'll pull them up. You. GotTa work together. Yes. That's true. Oh let's see here. Folks welcome to the show today. And? has already did a hype train earliest nothing. Do it again for this show? So you know what I guess I could tell you. And plus we said it before we on the move abuse dragging answer. We say what you could expect today today people. We're GONNA be talking about that new. A new resident evil sitcom coming up on. Netflix. Boy. TVs. Larry's man. TGI Fridays. NETFLIX has a vision. Of resident evil coming up. So we'll talk about that You see bill based music is up there. We already talked about that earlier, but we're GONNA be talking Mukalla due to the trailer for the latest game blobs. Cold War. That's right gala. Finally. Gallon. Getting the respect he got them deserters all movie known game. God is I'm sorry I, got his own gain his own. Game. Did you always wanNA play Scharnagl Martin. You. CARE. I've got a clever way to. Go. So the point to the point strain to the point. Certain Video Games are out there doing very well we knew that they would do. All right but this one, maybe we'll be the next night. Think it is right now with all this there should. Enough to be. And a few more things coming up and we'll go also going to have a little bit of variety ready for that. Oh, I'm warmed up. And that's that's a to whiskey voice. Oh yeah there's. Japan right now. Wants to know she wants to ask you so Jinja new. I was like I was. Drinking whiskey lot brain shit around me. Only yeah I know I know. It'll get Jim Place one time it's going to have me drink. The only gin that I tried that I can really like. Oh. Which one? It's one new gesture king here in town oh? Okay. distillery st a GIN distillery. Sammy semi a negative. You know big big big. Puerto Rican me. We met him out one day and he pulled anything here. Tonight is. It's a big Old Puerto. Rican. Deputy has the voice nine nine. He's like a Puerto Rican Mike Tyson. Yes. We had a concert do was getting crazy. And he was bumping these girls and. Scared and big and this dude is bit you met saying yeah. Sit on the river. Yes. Time, you want to kill him. Yeah. Semi renege. Do that crazy? Sammy just put his hand up and put his input on his shoulder got turned around what the Book Sammy Davis did. You need to stop. You feel like you're in charge. That's great. Thank you Dr. Yeah, he has a very soft voice, but he got me into this gin and so yeah, I going take you out there but. Shit tonight and I said I automatically just got a little sick. Looking at you won't. Tonic. I Man I do. That makes it even less tasty for me just like vomit assignment along. To, see that. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I had a I had a discussion with people last Friday as a matter of fact about Jen and all the different types and the some that have a lot more juniper. So they have a bit of that Christmas tree tastes Christmas tree taste but the. Others that don't have much and it's almost like vodka where you can barely taste and the different things you could mix it with like if you were to get. You're GonNa Laugh if you got fever tree tonic water. Because that's that's a that's a bit more little bit more expensive kind of premium and doesn't have so much quinine in it. That make gives you that vomit taste and you make some of that with some with some you know good quality Jin you'd like that. Oh. Love episode of. The boozing Negro the boozing. NEGRA. Recipe Book. To me to make a boozy. People. On his coffee table so Who's he negro recipe taste radically. Different Other Well. You know what I mean. I can't say I. Hate Jim Completely I went to. So I got what happened the day before but I had a terrible hangover the next it was all day. So I went to a bar that night of course. went to. Run now. Terrible hangover so I started drinking. A medicine. We'll give them a prescription. I mean the first red flag was only way to a distillery and my friend put a flask. CAN WE DRINK? Joke that night I said I said, why am I here? In the of bar that bars close now too. Damn. How much did you drink? Trouble. Bar The gun and was supposed to be a Tiki never opened up. It was it was. It was a bar next to on Lamar Rahman place. Ways that the place I met. In the drinks a really expensive they probably. Yeah. Even when you were like, Hey, you want to buy another one I can't do that to you. Try to be nice. But I went over there and I even told him I said I'm ashamed to sadism and while I'm in a bar, but I'm hung over, can you give me maybe there that you can help? They, gave me a water. Sleeping powder. But they gave me it was a gingery. I don't like gin sitting on your drink this trust and it was it was a very fruity drink but. I'm not saying it helped didn't but like I like it. When you get drunk again you look. Cancels out. Until the next day. Yeah exactly. But Yeah, folks you're welcome to the show you know. Fun Today for your so. You know we already did a lot today. We We already, one show. We are doing another one. So we're not gonNA take up a whole lot of time. Going to get into what we need to get into first of all, you know since this is a different show, I'm GonNa to repeat some things I said earlier. once. Again. Folks. I'm working on the patriotic. Annemarie to get the tears together I just got some feedback from patrons about what I submitted to them. I. Have Maimon Open email. Nope is good and not. I'm working on us so that we can start bringing more stuff including animation and also giving you access to some more content that we're going to start putting in into archives. So, it should be good should be good. We just want to start trying to broaden our revenue streams because Youtube is that means that like again, I can't tell how much I appreciate Youtube and how. Thankful to be doing well on their but. It just joining the block and shit you know 'cause sometimes they'll block things are demanding not blog but D- monetize things, and you'll be losing income on that video while you waiting to get approved when there's nothing in there yeah. Because I'm Goddamn robot decide they heard some-, you shouldn't be doing. I, think I heard the N. word. De monetize they'll do that. You know. Yeah and I'm just tired of taking risk all the time. Has, been very cool about getting some back and forth about how we feel about this description system. Yeah. No they've been very cool about that. But I think it's time that we take more control over. Subscription models. So let's see what happens with that hopefully. This all workout and also people. What. Thank you once more for supporting us and you do that through your subscriptions of right here on which right now, and you can get a free subscription if you have Amazon prime account and. If, you. Get yourself a subscription. Once you gift one, some toast doesn't have a subscription not as long as you are, and he's times of the Rony and when it comes time to renew their subscription whether you get yourself, are you a gift at one? Please do please do renew and you can also get tear that. You don't have to do anything for us to your wanted to tear three. That's good. Call emails with. and. Folks you don't do anything with that, but sit back and enjoy our right speaking of sit back and enjoy. Let's go ahead. Get into the show. GonNa do a whole lot of bullshit the negative and got that out of the way. Time, ago. See here. Oh let me move up to where we need to be. Right. Take the scroll off. Let's get into what we came here to it. Talk Shit. And let's start out. As I said people, we got a lot going on tonight. We got equal amounts of video games stuff in variety. Show, we're telling you. Don't expect. You. Never. Know where he? Is what he does. He Watch. Threw me off. All right. Folks. You know I'm a big resident evil fan. Meet you you big risen fan when Babar Games of twenty and eighteen was risen evil to that's right. Marnie play these games. A. Good Game Let's get to show you the yeah. Yeah. It was. I was I was with him in two big old friends that here's a playing resonable one that dogged up to the wind all even their don't. Do Dil right I. Know He. was. Too excited. Out. Now. What was the? Tone it down. I wish he'd. Do some you go back to. Say No names. Window like a dozen including. Oh but. Thing is a resident evil man even though he loves them two games, they go through the ups and downs of course of course. Yeah man we We we've seen many many different variations of these games over the time. Man is one of the longest running video game franchises out there. Twenty. Years Twenty years. Man. Hot But, thing is a look whether you like some games and not always not afraid to try something different. That's true. You know. So you have got some games with some different. You know so many different settings. So many different environments to the point that sometimes it feels like a completely different game. GOES FROM CAN BE. Haunted House all the way to the African. Savannah even with the. Even though they have some the same characters that pop up. They still feel like a completely different game take for example, the upcoming resident evil eight some familiar elements in nature but starting to feel like this is a resident evil game that we've never played before. The Tim. came. Over. Martin. That was quick. To. Do. Terrible Saturday. No no playing. Oh. Wait a minute. As long as I said. Wait a minute hold on blame it. It's not the fuck. A terrible. Terrible shut. Duck to the side. Did that. I saw. He, he knew he knew. That dude because he shot him point pointing. In the face. It was an act of. Gone Down in Grad these bullets fucking. Friendly. Who Are you? Who sent you? Think. They're coming boys. soulmates free. Don't worry. Don't Miss. This. Is this is looking like the Vich. Yeah. Black Phillip Black Philipson yet that's what we that's what we said when we when we were talking about this at first. Ikana resembles resident evil four a little bit on the gasoline thing. Starting to look like his own thing. Definitely. Yeah. But some people saying you know what? I don't care how of these Games look as long as they don't look like this. That's what I know. Those. Oh. No nothing. It's not his fault when he was shown. No no I know I was well, you don't. You don't know nothing. You've seen because this of course. Is considered by a lot of people to be far lesser. Any resident property out there was astern Lebron property out there they bastard franchise and it had a profound negative impact on those games because they had started emulating the movies until they finally went back ship. Sorry. Sorry. We'll go back way it was. Yeah. Yeah. They really did they started making the games more action packed. To coincide with the more action packed creature feature, kind of movies that they. So a lot of people say you know what I mean there's it has his fans and even like, I, like about one or two of these men they really are just monster movies and I'm cool with that one I think is fine and I actually saw three recent is like, okay this is fun along on the desert. That does is the best one. That's the one I really liked. Fun All been commercial successes they've made money, Oh yeah. Made money. On netflix's. We'll fuck you. That's what was doing. Because, we WANNA make money, but with an added element. Would add an element man yeah man you know Netflix's saying. The company, the company teen. Constantine. So they're not the umbrella corporation they might as well be. Eagles out. Don't give a shit. Umbrellas Studios. They should just rename themselves on is embrace it just evil studio make bad movies. Yeah Man. They made the big announcement today that Constantine Studios a studio is going to be overseeing. The resident evil. Series s live action action that is going to be premiering on Netflix I. Don't think they even have a date yet really now I imagine twenty twenty one at the earliest. Because they just got the script. And when I say the got it out, everybody has. Yeah. Yeah. Like everybody out there can get the script if it's a real script and I wanNA. Thank toasty. Cedric do for sending that to me. Want to give Michelle. So. People. Like look at us and like. Okay. Gaz Of course, you'd being assholes about this. You know this property means so much to you. Exactly. You know you you come into here was a Queenie about exactly what exactly? Yeah. Yeah. It would be in Queenie's about it. Yeah. You know you come in here with your entitlement. evil. 'cause like the game so much. Now you just smirking and laugh at this series because it's not exactly what you want. All right. Well, you know what? Let's read a little bit on this some details here. About what you can expect from his new revenue was sick I mean series. It's coming up fuck you mean. Listen. So this is in the. So, this is several articles out there that are talking about this but. This is coming from Netflix's now we're looking at this on games radar. Netflix has put out the announcement that the resident evil series operate on two timelines. The first time line, you have fourteen sisters, jade and billy whisker who moved to new raccoon city a manufactured corporate town. And it's forced on them as adolescents in full swing. But the more they spend time there the more. The more they come to realize that the town is more than it seems that their father may be concealing dark secrets. Secrets that could destroy. Doral ship Oh come on now. You. Just read. It straight doesn't sound bad Martin is just the first time. So. Wait multifamily. Multiple timelines. Number two. Yeah. So this timeline number two right here in time line to. You can expect this and time line number two they say that you jump sixteen years into the future and with a whole lot of zombies on this thing. This is a quote. There are less than fifteen million people left on earth is from the synopsis. A more than six billion monsters people in animals infected with the virus jade who's now thirty struggles to survive in his new world while the secrets from her past about her sister, her father in herself. Continue to hunter that sounds familiar. Yeah A lot of shit out there. But it looks like the doing this over again, it's the movie again, movie the secondary timeline except you now following meal edge voyage anymore. Yeah says new character. Now, the showrunner he says, you look Andrew Deb, he said Hey look you know I know this sounds like the same shit that we've already done before and it is. But. You know what don't worry about that because I am a huge resident evil fan. Says the I'm mean I'm incredibly excited to tell the new chapter in this amazing story and bring the first ever resident evil series. NETFLIX's. Around the world Where every type resonable fan including those joining us for the first time the series will be complete with a lot of friends and some things such as bloodthirsty things and some people that we've never ever seen before, which means that they just creating new characters. Again, your knuckle follow from the game. Now I mean, there might be one. Not as you know in from the game, well, you guys have played the game. So you don't really need to follow those characters anymore. Okay. Go ahead I will say this it's like a very good point. My whole thing is I want them to at least adhere to the sensibilities of the franchise what made those games work and based on their description and what we've both read it's anything but then I would no see. Here's the thing. I was thinking like you said Okay my first of all. I. Was a little snooty about it I'll say. This sounds like a combination between. Between the game. So No, not fucking game at all. No. You sound like a combination between the movies. And US. And now. You her going to have. You know Constantin film telling Netflix's. With you know what's funny is like what you described with I thought of it reminded me I was locking key which i. To Watch because it was too much like strange thing that's going to be a Netflix show to a lucky hit already is oh, is Oh, is it? Okay. That's what I'm talking about. It reminded me of the. Oh. Okay. Because I've read the a some of the. Books they remind me a stranger things so much by the I watched the first episode of the Netflix's. Jesus is just things all over. Yeah. Bringing those fourteen year old girls in feels like Netflix's trying to cash on our cash in on stranger things stranger things or just the WII novel craze the why Novel Yes, yeah that's Oh God. Here we go. Is Not what it needs to be but again, if you want to try something different, I haven't seen it yet I'm like all right I'm only thing about this I will wait until I actually see something that's the fair thing to do are read something or read something this crypt for this leat. In Again we don't. We don't know if this is a real script we don't know if they're trying to throw people off the Soviet draft it's dated from twenty, nine, thousand nine. Yeah, it. Could. Be A joke I. Don't know. I mean I. Don't know but I would just say this. That script so far as close to this synopsis that they put. Out from Netflix's to a God damn. t- Yup and let me just see. So you read the whole to hire all sixty pages. Yes. He read the whole hour long episode all sixty pages I got into page ten now this is funny because. When I read this. First of all teenagers texting on the phone to each other that's how it opens. Worst. fucking soccer mom he's a he's a he's a dead travel, a minivan complete within texting in the backseat in a Chihuahua named. Pedro. That's right. That's right chat. If you ever wanted to hear Albert West Kirby excited about Com Kombucha on tap boy checkout show. So do have a lot in their. Boots and that's right. People the even the okay. So even the writing in mid like the dialogue is at Harris, it's atrocious and it does the same thing that we all hate, which is the the kids over who they say these horrific things to their parents like fuck you dad like in front of company offers like. The first few pages also make weird references. I prefer to watch. Porn. It's like what? Oh. Yeah. That's that's a page eleven. Page Dan on the next page man. Wait to continue tonight. Even, the writing of the script is Corny. There's a part where. Spoilage I don't want to hear any of this, but there's a part where one of the teenagers whose now grown he's thirty. Now 'cause he'd go between the time Jj. It's so this sounds like a cross between. Stranger things. There is able movies in any Zombie, flick that you still walking walking down. He goes out with a rabbit. Into this field an and and then pricks the rabbit's ears blood and puts the rabbit down all the zombies come out to converge his rabid right a distraction is a distraction. Yeah, and then it says. In the Rabbit hops away into the field it gets away in parentheses. Say that. Audience supposed to feel. Good rather got away. Yeah. I mean there's other lines to I. Mean. It's like, why would you use something like that? Where the one character she's talked to us before she's about to go out with the RAB and says, Hey, she's like what? Don't die don't worry. I won't that's. Got To that line? Yeah. Yes, it hey. Try Not to die. That's it. Yeah. I'll do my best. With this saying to sound stupid all the policies in their. Dramatic. Pauses but you've tried this. Dot just two weeks ago. If they read it like this initial out. Loud. Awful. Stupid. You guys should do a table read of the man we should be now if we. Know by supposed to add the screw. So I'm not going to do it right now. Because we you know we want to give away and things like we don't actually want to show the pages. No No, we won't do that but it's out if you WANNA see it. Now we'll say in there I want to ask you how you feel about this. And this. This could also feel a little bit like the show I'm sorry the movies But it did seem like. They were doing some resident evil parts. When is that? Is Bad shit crazies even from the game sir. They do that in the movies a little bit but there's a part and again spoilers right here as part of the script where after you, she defeats all the Bazamba by setting them on fire. A giant Caterpillar comes from out the ground. Zombie Caterpillar picked about the virus. It was like all right doesn't win the craze as boss fights and the gangs. Yeah. So so you match us be a big CGI sequence in in the in the show in those movies to sounds like the show is going to be expensive I think so yeah, I mean I hate to see this look and pretty cheap with all the you know big elements that they're adding to yeah. Yeah I. I don't know man I I. If, they want to do that and just go betcha crazy insane with pulling out the creatures and monsters and everything that could be fun to watch. But right now, I mean somebody chats it their writing on the level of the game. Just like yeah. But that's a game that I'm playing sure to just watch the. Exactly at least the game, you're you're more intimately involved in you're having fun actually defeating these monsters but yeah, like when you're like, okay when they do the application for the screen I wanted to be a little better written I. Don't want to constantly grow at this dialogue Amanda as as as as I went on. Readings I read sixty pages. This thing in they hit every single trove. You can possibly imagine for a why novel where you have the whole sequence where you have the psychotic Stephen King ask bullies in here which goes on for. Page zombies are bad. Wait till you meet the bullies in this thing whether teenagers while they're teenagers and stuff like that where you know like literally getting rocks and nearly beaten near the death with them it's like that Kinda stuck. Yeah. I'm like all right. Okay. So Chris early, how did you describe this? Resin evil met full House. I, really want to sit here and play devil's advocate but everything. Thanks. I mean I like I. Read Ten pages because that's all the time to read today but I really want to keep going man. Already full, but I can't wait to get home burrito tonight. I. Just love when you have Albert West, they're talking about you I'm thinking I'm going Vegan. And by the way for anyone that needs to know this is setting the timeline of the games. And so they say that it's the year twenty, twenty two in the when their kids and jumps our much in the future like twenty, thirty, six, right it's like the last time that we saw good Albert was in two thousand nine and he was in the volcano. Blowing up by some rocket launchers and they even make references like Oh. Yeah. I came back to the company. It's like. Die. Take my soul to the company store. Off Okay. Yeah I don't I. Don't get this. See The minute that look just read what we read. It sounds terrible. It sounds like, oh. Yeah. What I've read it is terrible. I mean. He got way further here than I did I was ready to give it a chance I, finished it and Everything. It's Unique written at the but drink. Alcohol. I was ready I was ready to give it a man. But it sounds like Nah I just WanNa read comedy I want to see for comedy yeah. That's going to be this unintentionally. Funny. I'll definitely check it out and we're doubling review it on this show. Oh. Yeah. Of course. So for episode our Man I'll hope you know what at this point we're reviewing series now we're getting episodes ahead of time so yeah, we'll probably get any senate you this. Well. We'll talk there should get nothing. The sounds. So horrible math. Yeah. The Guy who's the show runner on it comes from supernatural. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Is it Eric Kripke? Andrew Dan Andrew Dab yeah, Andrew Death because Kripke does the bullies also. Wow. Okay. I got to do the show. That'd be that'd be great hazing look either way it goes like even at the dialogue is terrible the show was bad. It'll probably still stay the same tone of the game. Those goofy is over maybe we'll be looking at it like this is exactly what the game is. All right. Well those games. Could be edgy, but it was still a CW show I brought the. Whole God resident Evil Cw. Looking at scooby, Doo in Shakespeare's. Point. I mean who knows man and let look babe they've been on a good track record with the video game recently. Yeah. Three for three. So yes. So We'll see we'll see how that goes man. you know. Expected much but we'll see. I'm just saying this is a good thing. Because my expectations are lower minor subterranean. Stopped now. because. We heard risen evil chauffeured. Netflix's we all like. Do this right. Page ten what the fuck. Out Goat you. Talk, to the guys who ever talk about how big Netflix's. We talked about that last week and we did. Yeah, guys walked away from net. Hey, you know what? The Rabbit got away at least they're. Whatever. About this. Teenage girl right now she. Well hopefully, what you got was an early draft. Fifth draft. Only be. Fun. I'll be set early read Nishit is like reading an April fools joke. Yeah. Really is like at this cave on April, first people will be like well, of course it's this bad. You get. You get me I. Know What this is. Now April came early this is quite an elaborate April fools joke. You've spent time on this I can't wait for this. Whereas previously, I didn't have a dog in the fight now I'm just blew looking forward to watching you. Well, we'll always have the game we don't mean. Until they, start, to mimic, the TV show up. Man. Could happen imagined Albert coming back and Just, jeans and a Polo Scher. Field Alber Western. Chris. Chris got dropped Microsoft at soccer practice. Squad. By the way I'm coming back bitch. Buddha. Could you take care of my rabbit? Fever is a joke is a fucking joke it's got to be. All right. Well. Tell you what? Than You I am I went to catch that part. laughing. Enjoyment. Dumb. Expect. No No. No I. Feel I've had my heartbroken. So just Calistoga. I. Point where he just enjoys the other people. Louis. GotTa Talk Shit about me all these weeks. Me Raynham hands do they go. Out that's what they'll get the one she. Yeah we learn more. Yeah. Yeah. Let your game say a game. Don't wish it to be a movie or TV's Yeah Yep. Thank you for being Alejandro. Guys you feel good show. And you have a good. Feeling. Chris. because. The point that. I. To have. Do that to Go through drought join, Youtube. This shit. Is. By. Barton. Enough edition. All right. I'll tell you what? What's up with Netflix's? Resident Evil. If that's not your thing. You got a whole lot of other video game. TV shows to watch. It looks like from the way things are going Netflix's not gonNA stop making them any time soon. So Be Making. Something proudly after that but you still got variety right now you still got choices. For example, you got dragons documents right right around the corner man view weeks September. Seventeenth. You'll be able to watch this. is their. Latest Animated Threat Video Game Adaptation to a TV show that they have. On maybe telling me about this this is the story of. Romantic story. Of a handsome young man who has his heart stolen by dragons like literally ripped from his body. And he hasn't going to get it back or he'll die. So sweet three S. I hope they get together at the I'm sure they will. They're stabbing and molly you. Home at the end of all, this is just romantic tension until the guest must go ahead and take a look. They draw a trailer for we talked about this back when they would just make an announcement showing some steals. Steals right here and you and I were talking about. The style that they chose going to be the the three D. R. C. G. Animation has given the to. The to the Tutti look exactly you know tempted to to look with three D. models. Three D. models. Yeah. Has That's what do you call Cell Shaded Lasalle shaded? That's right. Until you were saying I don't like that nothing. You know. Let's wait and see it in motion. We'll see how they move it. All right. Let's see I. Look I do I'll out loud that you probably saw but watch it again. And I do eagerly await you opinion. Have you have you changed your mind? Do, you still feel build feel the same way about you know. Well, we'll go ahead and Do. I feel like you wash the trailer and we'll be right back to talk more about dragon's dogma. Third. Monster S returned. Loss time at dragon appeared was well over one hundred years ago you on not ready. Jesus. No Shit because the whole towns burning. Gorgeous. And? My. Heart. Drag. Did He really is man? allstone. Guess. What it means to be a nap. Failed Does Thou you just stole my heart? Burn No yeah cool. Why hate me Bro? Murder you're pregnant wife, Schaal. But come on installed the thing that keeps you alive the organization. Everybody. It's what I do. Oh well, why did you say you all right with me? Is Cool Bre. In that. Failed my wife and child. I am your protector therefore, I will not leave your side. Paul George. I go is the Dragon. Going to. Kill. The. Monster. As you wish. I supposed to call you. You call me whatever you please arisen. Belonged to my mother Hannah will do. How did you come to find yourselves out here? Seems to be danger around every turn. How'd you find yourselves out here? With inflection. Out here. That's delayed. Van Acted. How'd you come to find yourself out here? That dialogue was already gone before his mouth. Welcome Something seems goal. Zaghlul Get that motherfucker. Different about him. He suddenly changed him. Still Life. Should be here. What it looks like Jello. Looking, at a CG. People look I'm not even worried about the characters this the other. CG Shit looks terrible. Terrible man. MONSTER DESIGNS HE'S A. Snake it. Yeah. There's also a cyclops that I. Think it's the worst thing I saw this. Does it look at that compared to i. mean it's even worse. Character Melvin Ham look at these hands this. Asylum the lap. Yeah. The lack of. Definition to anything you'll see any wrinkles to smooth. Yeah No, it's why would you not just do the characters the same as you do I mean the creatures the same as the character it looks on even that looks cheap. It really does and I think what they did. They fasttrack the series because they wanted they wanted in one spend that much money and that's why look the way it does. This looks bad. Yeah. I think that there are some things in here that actually look good to like a like the characters when they grounds I think we'll look solved the backgrounds, no, the bag and There some creatures that looked kind of cool that sequence with the skeletons. In their. With skeletons a Russian out and even these. Things like that right there. That looks kind of bad. That looks like yeah. But there's some parts in here. The dragon doesn't look that good. Now it doesn't. You see it's flapping its wings, its legs plops once, and it goes like fifty feet. Doesn't make any sense. To try to do. Pull your in what the fight scenes, how they're not moving or the moving very slowly. That's the save. That's also probably to cut down on the budget. There's just like those those images of the fight scenes are not moving. MORE TOWARDS THE END In Dragon Mansa, look good. Look. The the you. It's hard to have if that was a background element maybe but that's a character to these creatures, the characters and they look different from the from human care none the animation masters, each other no even the character models you at least the three Ds. CGI. Associated character miles they also looked at the very least don't. used. Nails two guys. Here's here's the thing coming up where he's not really like moving around much. Skeletons maybe not me was coming. He was before that I didn't look good. Yeah I don't know man I mean. You get down to it. It's all going to depend on the story. Anyway. Do you believe that the story because you played the game? I. Played about ten hours. Okay. That's a lot more RPG though and they can go on for sixty seventy eighty hours. Is a story something that can. Overcome the inconsistency that we see in the art maybe. I mean I mean you're you're following this guy it's tragic. You feel form and he's meeting like the whole big premise round. The game is you meet these characters called these ponds and they like have this actually now in hindsight and because. They had this lack of personality. And as the main character, you give them a personality like you name them and they become informed about who they are as they go in the during this up there's potential there like you have the character Hannah she's name he was about hands name. That's acceptable. Even her delivery is like, okay but she'll grow into into an actual talking about this character and yes yes, this seems very complacent. It couldn't give a shit left. The very angsty are very stoic. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah that is true. That is true. We'll see man you know I mean. I can't say that this is something that is Exactly make excited No this is nothing like on the level of Catalina Gasoline looks so good man it really does. And I I I would say this the character animations for the humans in here the cell shaded. To model look on the three g models doesn't look that bad to me. Human characters on human characters, the monsters though that's On those guys. You. Game The community or actors. Yeah. All right. Let me see. All right. Let me see here. Are We? Just, reading some here. Gummidge comment. Yeah. Let me see. Chad have to say. See. Let me see. All right, Kevin. And Things Oh. Alright. Let me see. Get here. Here's one. We go. Something can talk about. Combining. Go is we've been talking about a lot of things combining movies and video games are shows and video games not doing something similar to that right now. Let me see here. I'm just make sure. I. Got I got a lot of tabs because. Too many many. Too many show. Oh there we go. Queued up right here so. If, you want to play as a medieval mythical meth addict in you have a chance to do so right now. You you've always dreamed if you want to play the crack head of the Shire. Really. Is that in? Shit flu. You might get that chance now. Thanks to Ghalem. The game. Yeah this is the one where it's just sounds you get to play Pretty much a drug addict drug addict of of What do they call it? The Shire the shot. What do they call that whole place I keep wanting to say more it's a middle earth. Yeah I never you know I think this is cool. A cool idea to have you play as one of the most lowly characters. In Lord, of the real thing is piece of shit ever biggest. Pretty, much the fucking meth addict lived lead the the the drug addict of Middle Earth. Would love to see how they plan on making his somewhat heroic enough of some people to identify playing as a main character at all if at all. Let's go and take a look at Latifah I. Don't I don't think would explain that any anymore there's no game play or anything like that. But let's go take a look at the teaser that they have. We'll come back to discuss more of the possibilities and playing his game right after this. Love Seafood, don't. Fish Chisels. Put. That's how it gets that that smoothie oily complexions. As forty years old it looks like he's got. A. We moisturizes. Fish. Out of. Somebody says a crackhead stimulate. Your movie, a crackhead channel. Now, you can with Ghalem break in Hubbard House. The TV. Dot. TV. The name of his own. Keep biking maybe can't really. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. You gotta you gotTa Golic. Was Essay. You can read. Hall. Shits box. So. What are the things that I noticed is first of all. They may just a little more handsome, little more cute than. CUTER. US. Compared to what he is I don't know if it was like faces of Meth has got worse. This earlier this in we started smoking methods and later. Didn't work out. Surf phone out. Bud Garland is known for sneaking. So I suppose the game is going to be somewhat of a stealth game. It's going to be a stealth platforming action game where you're typically in terms of the game. We're GONNA be moving around enemies instead of actually fighting engaging with which makes sense because. Not. Much. Use in a fight here especially with the works and. Somebody's a gallon was Meghan me. Very true. Be. Okay, Falcon. Thank you put subscription by the way. And if You call that cute. Well compared to that. Yes. Yes. I, mean we're we're taking what we're given right in. Other aspects of the talking about has have like going to be there's GonNa be like dialogue options, and so you're have a conversation with yourself. Wow. So you'll have golic shriek over remember that. Wow like which one is which which is Kinda cool I like that that concept? Yeah he is skits though. So. Yeah. You can have an entire scene when he's just by himself having a conversation that's kind of inspired. Yeah. No it is. It is I guess you'd be your other character yes. Yes. Good or bad one of those where you can play coop as. One guy be the. Listen. Listen Sir us. I Love Them. I do like some experts, the trailer like we see some. Kinda like almost like childlike drawings. So he does have some semblance of humanity left like I really liked this kind of stuff whereas he's remembering remembering the sun one when he was probably a hobby or maybe remember when he had like friends in the other image right number above it kind of cool before he was. Yeah that's right. Fenian for that ring and ring man. Also the whole thing about me saying it he looks cute that was actually a conscious decision by the developers smart to actually soften him up a little bit. It says here that the game version looks different. In definitely shorter, he said the GOLOMB has sort of a cute baby energy to keep the energy with a big head. Yeah. Is that seem more welcoming? It's definitely more cartoony. Yeah. No, it definitely is. So I guess it's going to be I guess. It's not going to be a violent game or at least not enough to where well. Yes. because. Sometimes you he's going to be kind of violent. Weird disturbed by it won't be I. Don't think it'll be on Sunday we'll be. No it won't be something like shadow of mordor where you're cutting people's heads off and stuff are bludgeoned people to death of Mace. Yeah. So also you're going to be doing like climbing in Parker. Yup. platforming aspects of scavenging. YOU'RE GONNA dodging environmental has its this. And they say that there will be some friends in here that you ask for help interesting to see what those people would be. Yeah. He'll murder them at the end. Maybe, make decisions about them too. Yeah. You killed him at the end maybe. If you looking forward to play in this, I'm definitely curious. About this this will be on the. PS Five xbox series dehumidifier. PC. All in two, thousand, twenty one. Coming up. Looking forward to checking out I. Am too I'm I'm very curious about this. Let's see here. We've got. Call of duty the hipster wars right. On the CAL is. Willing to fashioned wars. America versus the Soviet. Union by over everything I guess. So yeah, people call of duty black ops cold war just released a trailer. That's right. Story trailer story trailer and. Those looking at this, how we're were GONNA handle this you know especially when approaching the era of Vietnam and things like that and today Vietnam touch area to go. You know it's. GonNa start off but they also going to go into the eighties during like the second. Hottest point of of the Cold War Yeah? Yeah, I. I gotTA. Tell you man I was wondering how they would handle this when we were first talking about the concept you know been at this is set during the Cold War eight. Cold. War. And I'm intrigued retreat I'm very much Into the store that they have to a little bit I wanNA know more. I'm not saying that this is going to be great. Yet I'm still like, wow, that feels a little weird when I see served political images come up. Yeah. In certain political figures, political figures that's what I'm saying. Still not easy about those things but. Definitely I think a trailer that they put out. The piqued my interest and take a look at the trailer. They'd just dropped today just last night last night. All right. All right. Sorry even like two minutes to the trailer. GotTa. Kill. Somebody. Valley. Yeah. was. Years or Just don't to fuse of a secret war decades. Is. Travel Americans. Clear conflict with welby mankind's last. We want to make this peaceful. Five days ago we acquired into. Soviet agent versus is in play. Active Big is going to happen. Jesus. Right. Into the Chin. Do what was going on now he's like. The last thing I said. Something that could shift the balance of cool red rubber effort. That's returning character right There's a there's definitely I don't know about that one, but there is one particular one. Let's go find this shit. President. Is the threat real. We believe. It is give Mr. Him like a puppet. Rubber. Facie is. The, gipper. Arm A muffin. Man. This could be late administration Reagan where he knew what the fuck was going on and. Wait Houses I. Who are you people? We're. Nancy. Of Your Goddamn seances here, Nancy. Go to like A. Astronomy sit to help on the white. House is a crazy time. It was active whatever he wants. I know you won't fail us. Live band. Is Getting some major royalties right now saying like someone on the wonder woman trail hit. Perfect. Shoot guns too that beet. Yeah, Yeah I. Wonder. Woman does the same thing on. You're going to hear that for next two years. Band. Happy Right of course. Yeah. I thought that that. Ronald, Reagan. Look good. I'm dealing. Models like somebody wearing a latex mask yes. It's like those Halloween masks. Backers something. Is How we look at the end I'll play a whole lot of a call of duty to so. Play one of these games in years man now like twenty. This last one I played was blobs the first one original blackout, which is a direct sequel to yeah. So forget black ops two and three, and you know this is this is the real. This is the actual sequel. We have some returning characters Frank Woods whose Asu Chris Looking hippy guy. Women he said. Robert Redford. He's at Phnom that Guy Frank Woods he's also featuring the other games to as an older man. So what do you feel is on this man I was like breast by is looking pretty slick mean the thing is when it comes down to the call of Duty Games are never bad when it comes to their mechanics and gameplay like. There's there's not a call Judy game that feels bad to play. Okay. There are single player campaigns whoever that are like a forgettable but some are great. You know what I mean you had infant infinity people did not like but you have some like colder deform on warfare, which has one of the best military first person shooter campaigns of all time one they're showing here. It's like this this. This looks really good I. Love the stick of the eighties. So that's kind of refreshing four called duty. Yes. We see the eighties so many films and reference all the time. But never in this franchise I'd like to see them tackle this and. From what they're kind of like positioning they're like, okay. This is going to be like a Jingoistic Call Duty Game I. WE'RE GONNA know we're GonNa get in the nitty gritty details. Vietnam was was terrible in all this behind the scenes stuff like. Contra, deal of Reagan was some Nasty Shit. It's like I like that I think that's kind of surprising coming from. For Call Duty. Video game. Nick and going here and talk about all the nasty part of history. Address all you know some of the really corrupt things from the time corrupt off in the Reagan Administration Reagan? Administration Reagan was a fucking terrible president. He was You know, and of course, don't glorify the war here as much as like make a game where okay you planet maybe having fun. But let's not go employer that glorify all this shit and make it look like you know none of these. Patriotic going address some of the really sour parts of history with this I get the impression that that's what they WANNA do with opening like Vietnam that was a piece of Shit War. There was blood for nothing. You know just just to start another war in the eighties the stuff that people didn't see. So it's like, okay yeah, I like that. But you know what? Overall man but. This looks really cool just as A. Cut. trae slick. Yeah. Yeah. I was I was just very impressive everything from the music to the action scenes they showcase dialogue the look-alikes i-love-you. Does reverend he'd like sell his likeness to of developer. Looks just like the way he does in like flight of the condor and all the president's men that is fucking Robert. Redford honestly what I thought. I. Say. That's why I asked You I said because I don't know these games, their character and and it looks like Robert Recognize the I don't remember but this is the like Brad Pitt Plan Rob. You looks like it looks like Brad Pitt from what's Hollywood Styles colored. We'll see man I'm really now I actually want to get in and played this game. Yeah No. The Story Moon I. Agree. Sometimes. Dip My back in the day my toes into call duty but I'm all for the school. Blair gaming and plus I get to make Ronald. Reagan. For the entire street. Confused Reagan. You know what a wonderful these famous people around me now. Nancy. Even, the game let's He's A. Video game much. I wonder if you can play is him I, just go on field loss or there's going to be a Zombie. Losses. Smash Reagan's I. Zombie. MOATS I. Bet you're GONNA be able to play as Reagan do. Thing. Somebody that looks like Kurt Russell to. Little Bit. More. Robert. Redford to. All right. Let's see here. By now we've all heard about. How? Begin fortnight. How they? Walked up to apple and kick them in the. Started some shit. And then bragged about it. On. Social. Media. Exchange. A. You gotta give it to them for they came ready your marketing campaign. They were gonNA 'cause they should did and people are cheering them on. In this fight over the fees that apple charges on their APP store. And people really on the side of epoch. But Hey just in case just in case epoch in Fort Night. Just in case they lose the battle right. Here. People out there and this is. Okay. fucking. Maybe there's something you could tell me about this I read this I read this over and over again, I'm trying to figure out the logic here I guess as gullible as people at this sucker born every minute. Yep. So Feel the ones who are worried about not be able to play this on your phone anymore especially iphone. Since. Vicious, this apple is threatening to remove the. which it looks like it's going to happen I think he might have already done it. don't worry because there are people out there selling iphones. With fortnight already pre installed. All you have to do is put down a simple payment of ten thousand and forty thousand dollars. This just you know you're someone's entire salary for a year. I'm like man people capitalize on misinformation stupidity more power than the end of the day like I came to get mad if someone's going to buy someone's GonNa buy a but wow, incredible. You mean they look well, here's a good news. You really put down ten thousand dollars to four thousand dollars. They have some four thousand dollars thousand. Okay. Yeah it's an that's a new iphone. Monopoly. With fortnight on there with the Fortnight Apple, which I will not be able to play. At some point, anyway, that's. That's why I'm confused. iphone uses you know Even, if you have already downloaded. They say that any future updates for the game will be possible. Rendering it useless. Yes. So what the? It's that's I. Said Man Stan. Misinformation people just don't understand they're like, oh, no four nights. I. Look at all the new phone have the old ones obviously will. Keep playing you think. Okay. So apple might have fallen into this trap that epic setup for them fell for that but he the de stupid. Like you can go and just bow iphone in play that. megapolis and figuring that out fucking idiots man i. tell you what the people who are selling these phone. No. Not at all the matter of fact, I'm like you know like, Hey, ethics good for you. You deserve us your money if you stupid I'm sorry I don't feel sorry for you. If you if you if you're willing to sale a thousand dollars, not realizing that an update, you know the update these things all the time an update is going to render it useless. You won't be able to play it. And now. You. To online to play it anyway now, people just don't get it. Honestly. It's just people don't understand how technology works or video games worker anything really young people and are just scared of being scared. Yeah. Go play it on your fucking switch. On so many it's on every other plan, your switches portable, just playing get a switch if you know what if you're gonNA. Pay Thousand Dollars One IPHONE. Knows more convenient vary have an iphone but just by switch M-, it's cheaper in hindsight it's cheaper and you get the best mobile and you get to play and guess what? When his updated, you're not going to be out of thousand dollars just stupid. It's probably easier to play in any way. With. The switch. More articulate. Yeah Man, hilarious? Yeah. All right. Go. Ahead. I WANNA I wanNA picture the person's looking stupid after by wait a minute. No Refunds Everybody got a warning for unite. We already knew who You only. Tell you what what you will probably still be able to play on mobile clean. Your iphone is the new sensation that people are even saying might be the new four night. For night killer everybody WANNA kill. Everybody WanNA murder out there fog is. Fog Is. Is the most downloaded PC plus game which makes sense because it's free up to the end of August. Yeah. It has reached a record of the most downloads on a global basis. It has crossed seven million dollars. On. Sales on steam. Bs Pay for it. So yeah. So why you get it on. While, you get it on the on your a PS four for free for for now up, you got a couple of days levels as left. So get on it. You haven't installed exactly I know. Doing tonight. I'll just erase. My PT. On the No. No. So why you got it for free on your PS Four People are still paying for this in droves. That's right. Yeah. Yeah and the thing is on steam and one is eventually because this is sketch, it's funny. This game will came out. A month. Ago. and. And it's just captured the pop culture zeitgeist and video games, and this is a phenomenon right now I mean, you're going to see merchandising merchandising. Come out now, we're just in the beginning. will be really cool to kind of see this observant. In the same way people originally observed Fort Nine didn't even realize they had so no devoured digital the publisher and I forgot the made this but they're gonNa make a fucking killer this you're going to see Funchal posited t shirts anything you could Bosley magic. Costumes. So I'm glad you brought this image because everybody this up at the end because even ask because people are becoming obsessed because law of fall guys right now and they ask us. How tall are these things are like little cute little chocolate got. One foot. One foot tall they are six feet tall. Six feet creatures at a six feet tall, which is new, which is horrify that is frightening. Which I did not expect that I thought. Oh. The looked a little cute they they something in the lone little tiny world xactly. Yeah. Like chocolate. Cake lacks. Could take a bunch of of squeezing these things would like come after you know as crush us. Exactly you cannot care like in real life that'd be Horford complete with these things they kill you would would follow you because that things probably five, hundred, six, hundred pounds. Yes, crushing. Be a bloody pulp out this all these things coming that shoe. The nightmare I watched. This is our fun. Yeah. It really is I. Still WanNa play someone told me to. and. Have a huge update come coming twosies do really now all sorts of new maps which are. Have like a medieval a static to them and they're gonNa make so much money. I mean these things are right for toys man Yup. The. Goes. Plus she's all yell. Wash beanie babies Guinea may ask things beanie baby. esque. And you'll have you'll full bodysuits. You'll. You'll see you'll see guys rule thirty, four, I'm surprised there must be ruth reward you're. GonNa have to bank like Actual Stadium Events, stadium events of this an people address the plate there and they actually perform they do that. Yeah. They run around each other. Yes. I'm calling it right now my God, the money in Japan, they're going to do this. Show yeah. Yeah that's what I want. This thing ever got huge enough. I would even say like in about five ten years, they'll make a theme park. Art addition to we run around and do this agree and maybe even fucking TV series of. Animated shorts or something like that. Yeah. Over each other. And nobody has to die no acid I know you know you just you just you just resurrect to do it again. And again. And again? Well good for them and for them. Here's a last thing for this. One more thing. One more thing. Is Good when there's some the leave on his some leave on right here. So Christopher Nolan says will if I can't convince you to die for cinema. The may be missed an action movie himself. Tom Cruise. Maybe, he can bring you to your senses. Get you go see my movie. Meanwhile, Tom Cruise run from the theater. People in The Hague. Ronan chase it his ass right now. Keep on running. fucking fucked I'm not going back use those people next. Time. Give it to me magic putting like A. Can you imagine putting? Tom. Cruise and fog is just as Tom. Running. Running with all. Crew. SKIP. Tom Cruise skinny he's not even inflatable. Tom Cruise running he's the only one that's actually killing. Yes. Go Tom Go. Got Movie People, Coughing Shit that even wear masks. Man. Man So apparently, they got Tom Cruise who try to endorse. Entice people endorsed tenant to get people to go see yeah. He went to a theater I. Think in the UK or something to see it remember he's filming something. I tell you how do you? How do you feel about this? Me I'll feel anything because Zach make me go to the movies. I mean it's Meka do what he wants but if they're using his a marketing ploy to convince me to go and then failed. It didn't work very well the listening to Tom, cruise yeah he's crazy. I like him. He's a great action star and everything he's he's good actor but I'm not no I'm not GonNa do that. Yeah and you know what? In lieu tenant we were talking about this earlier man you know we're talking about whether this is worth going to see not because. They're not giving people. Any kind of screeners are screenings they are telling people go early. In the movies already been screened for some people over in Ireland. One of our editors has already seen the film. But I've seen too much more will try and keeper. Dirty transcends Hashem. This is about survival. Seems. Old I'm finding reading same nuts. This is where. Would you like to lie? Without Corona. Healthy. I would like to dial. Healthier Corona Long Life I. Yeah. You know what? Those already been some reviews coming out on this. Now, some people have been seeing that it's great but a lot of things. It's cinema. Love Christopher Nolan of course is wonderful life. I haven't even seen it yet. But some people have seen it and Some people are seen a couple of people telling me that it's awesome is great. But a lot of the things I've been hearing about this is kind of mixed. Yes it's confusing. There's IT's exposition heavy. That the characters don't have any character. Which I'm like Oh, it's not something I want to see. I'll tell you this man. I'd want to see the movie. It looks cool I. Haven't I've got nothing against the film. I'm big Crispin Nolan Fan when it comes to his better Films Cavalry Fan when it's like I think he's genuinely You know I think is a great filmmaker who has who really sticks to his vision. Yes he does. You know he's one of those guys will because he's one of those guys and ask for check from Hollywood no, give it to them up. No matter what. But you know this is a guy that really does I'd mind that he cares about film making that much. You know he wants you don't film he wants to make quality films. He wants to make something that makes people think to hear. He doesn't WanNa make contrived entertainment, but I really don't like this whole thing really pushing this movie in almost really trying to you know a health crisis trying to Trying to endorse his with other stars saying, Hey, look I'm a celebrity I. saw you go see the fucked up thing about that is that cruise? Yeah he's a celebrity and look. I don't think he's taken lightly, but he is the guy that has a lot of money. Yes and if he gets corona, he's afford to top notch healthcare he'll probably be. Okay. Yeah. Thanks Yep, but let's call it what it is people. The healthcare system in this country is horrible Shit Yeah. And you're not Tom Cruise with a lot of money. So you can't go in there expecting to watch this movie. As comfortably as is doing probably. An and you know he probably not even and has the theor old himself to he's not sitting the scene of an audience. He's got his private box or whatever. I mean somebody told me. There's a picture of him out there with some of the theater for the people. So I don't all right fair enough fair enough I don't know. But I I just I mean I don't think this is bad. You know I'm not saying that this is the this is bad is evil. This is a this is. Something where They're trying to manipulate P. I'm not I don't think that. S Fine. If you WANNA use Tom Cruise to actually market your market, the film but yeah. But I? Like I say you got to put things in perspective man you know this is this is a celebrity who's rich. Beyond anybody's wildest dreams and You know it's not as much of a risk for him to go see this movie. as it is a man who can afford to rent out a whole data to himself he wanted to on on a easy day. He could probably go ask Christopher Nolan for a copy of the course of course. He's not like everybody else has to go risk their lives and their health go see this and that's what that's the point about it but. It's not going to you know move my style. I'm not going. I'm not going to listen. It's GonNa. BE ON VOD and a couple of weeks anyway because not gonNA make any money. One that's what people are trying to debate about is like. How long is it going to take them to just break and just put this on the after they headed off about three weeks? I would be I. Bet. I bet. Sure Okay I'M GONNA say two weeks two weeks weeks be like look at the box office numbers and they'll go. Uh Shit. We've what have we been. In Luck in. Pack six pack of six pack of Beer. Okay. Because I don't think it's going to be that early. Okay. Things going to be at least three weeks. Three weeks. Yeah. Because that's That's the window that they're pushing anyway when they say that once every. Normal they say, well, you know. Because right now they're working out a deal with theaters I know seventeen days. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Hey. You know. All right. Expect a beer. I like Voodoo range I do too. Win No matter what. Kurt still has a Voodoo ranger that you bought him. Go as that was six months ago. It's not why cau- though now isn't that Whitelaw is gone he'd eat fucking Shit like water. Where is it? Where is it keep it? I was at his play Saturday Sunday others place on Sunday and. Say. So you see Lorraine, you know what is what is it doing there? Then he's like Oh that's the six pack that that Herman bought over and I was like okay. I'll let me just drink this. Yeah. I had to of man. That's hilarious. Let me see here. Yeah. Folks. Are. Right. You want an email. Yeah. Of course. Well. Austin Austin got we got finished A. Lot sooner than I thought we would. Okay. Yeah, and I thought we'd be up until one o'clock in the morning. But we have finished a lot sooner than clip. was that moved at a good clip? Yeah. Did did. Let me see. I thought you play down to play the clip now. What about? The show move set in my own way. See well listen. If we want to try tonight to do, you can do a couple of emails and if you try to visit tiny earl do it's been a while man for you. It has do some discord costs. Go. To tiny URL DOT com forward slash the D. discord if you want to do that. Again, that is tiny. You are L. Dot com forward slash the de Tijd discord. We see. See Go to my email ag mills over here. Where are they? WOULD THEY BE? This is from Marley, Young Marley Hey DT crew my son and I just watched the one and only Ivan on Disney plus it was an amazing movie and I WanNa get your opinion about the movie. 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We'd had theaters open up here cannabis since July there's distancing in uber cleaning, you have to book your seat ahead of time. They're very spaced out both side to side and in front of you fifty seats in a theater that usually sits three hundred. We do have contact tracing up here in Canada and we've not heard of any cases linked to theatres yet. If she sent a screen shot of the seating chart for tomorrow's noon tenant screening. We'll see what that looks like. Sure. He's doing. Is because. Canada has their shit together. That's why we don't. Together. Towards my mother this about to say that they. You can't trust people over here. Man was camping Remember back in what May. Trump's GONNA go away and So. By this point, it was supposed to be gone he just. Make. America. Great here's the seating chart right here. So. What's going on those those yellow seats the those people listen right next to you. Can't even tell. Pretty. Closer guess. 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Just take it. You got. To make up for it. So Nice. I wanted to ask you guys have you heard about the PS five preorder Raffles Scheme that's doing. A. RAFFLE street that Sony. preorder. So they sony put out a thing like real on the low to preorder ps five directly from Sony. You have to register your Gamertag with them, and then they're gonNA pick people random offered direct reorders to. And their reasoning is like Eddie Limited numbers is going to be less expensive. Yeah, Noko. Price yet. You nine I'm hoping. No. Reason to do that. I know it's probably the do that. So you know you get a Predator and because they haven't been stopped. Yeah. Well, it sounds like, yeah they don't have as much as many as stock. Right? They said they said that they said that yeah. So how you feel about disease? I signed up. I mean I I'm definitely I'm going to get both boxes I mean they get the PS five and I'm going to get the fire. Last night. So I'm not I mean I can't really I'm not going to be one to complain about it because I'm this I got to be a good capitalist. You've course. You're going to help the economy It's it's. The thing that kind of makes it's another whole wheat to release of the new consoles. This is the first time I've. Seen Sony do something that that Kinda makes me a little nervous. Is, one. Of the things said they're going to do is They'RE GONNA base who they pick based on who has the most quote unquote interest in the playstation brand. So. Even my interest. So do we have to read it s say to do this to we just can't going to put a name down trump to fucking hopes for this. I. Think. What it means is a mean you're Gamertag you're id they know what you play. They know how long you play on what you play, what your trophies are, what you buy whether you buy digitally or not. So they're going to be there look it sounds to me like they're gonNA take all that data and try to like reward the people who they think are going to spend the most money. Oh. Well, they already have that data the. When they already have that they knew they would know based on your account because he said a profile with them and everything. So they keep track of everything that you do I guess I mean it depends on how much you play why are you connected online we just? Yeah somebody said here in the chat that it could be a fake leak but tech, USA. Put a video out saying the no disc version of the playstation is you want to guess how much of five, hundred, four, hundred. Great perfect for me three nine thinking Nice I'm going to get that one disc version is five hundred. Okay. So I mean because they're they're gonNA be waiting it's what what Sony is hoping the Microsoft announces the price I so that they can undercut like they did. Yeah. Yeah near the other way in each other out. That's. Nine nine lower than what some people would think. Yeah I mean, three, ninety nine was what the playstation four cost, right so yeah. because. I'm going to get the disk disc version because I buy all digital when it comes to the Games. Yeah Yeah. So you already on the list you you're going to get both of them you're going to. How was the? How was it to to register for the RAFFLE? Easy, you just you just entering European. Okay. Okay. Now you click a box as you're not a robot now is it but you're limited like. You can get one console for And two controllers to cameras to chargers. Okay So he's like there may Elisa's now like dislike by a bunch of and try and? Thinking about doing that. Great a whole bunch of you. Know. Kid is safe. House. Toronto apply every day he did it again. Utilizing, Love Their Ryan Reynolds movie. Lino when Lion I was really sincerely messed that up. All right. Well, we'll see I go good luck. So. Yeah man look forward to like a did they tell? People when they would know the winners. You're going to get an email they. Send out an email to get selected. There's no timeframe has to win. It's GonNa. Be You're like the other it just keep an eye on your inbox is. Nice all right man well, good luck I guess you're GonNa are you GonNa go in register? No, he's the. Nominee sister I. don't I'm just going to buy it. You'll get one. Hour that'll be. Hopefully able to look at job shiny new peers five when it comes through. Yeah. Yeah let us know man with good talking to you man as always. Thanks good shirt to. Say By. Goals but. was that. No alcohol at the movies. You saw you saw new mutants. What I tell you what? You see that. Nice. Big Shiny microphone at you. Want to use it. Barely hear you. What. Chila. equipment. Ain't. Using it. Now that green screen. Green screen camerawork getting focused. Could be in front of the from the Eiffel Tower, right. So can you? Get up on the microphone and tell us what you thought about new mutants. A. Youtube but I know what I thoroughly enjoyed the. Respect state at. Worst. Marketing. It was surprisingly good to me like. I thought it was going to be terrible I gave it like a six point five out of ten seven. Okay. I'm on going. You know what I'm going to go online and see what people are giving us. Not Seen It, I haven't read any reviews. Thing is own. Sound. Bad. I don't trust Julie. I. mean he had good reason. Visually. Trust Trust. Serious Brown theory it was good. All right. You know what the expectations. Were so low for his movie. Maybe I was like fucking Lewis said a weird. Let me. See Him. Look. New Mutants. New. Moons. Go to rotten tomatoes, tomatoes on what I'll put down new moons. Rotten tomato. Oh. Let's see. Julia. Let me see here. Hold on. Let me Scott Damning. Too many times. Well, this is making me. I gotta add block open on this. Guy. Knows you have adblocker. See here. So, here we go. I had this on rotten tomatoes right here, and Rod Tomatoes. Me See here they say the score is. Fuck you Julia, is fourteen percent. But his only. Six seven reviews reviews. Reviews on one person those that was that. Film but as a song. I joined goes onto the pseudonym whore, Hailu. You Julia. The all reviews Hoya Hey loser it gets fixed vanishes spent. And? Now. This shit is terrible but now going to theater that experience with a little bit better that way. Okay. Very little new here. Chris Duckman up there. Doug feels like movie doesn't have anything else up its sleeves nothing new shit does excite you know what I'll say this man I was like you know what? I like this whole premise it's like it's horror. X.. Men, movie that's new. That could be something but it's too bad i. am there's more reviews coming but yeah, it's more abuse coming in s another one man. Okay. So Disney want to kill this fucking field. Yeah they do they're like. Of US though. We told Jimmy critics though It's been doing this for over ten years. Away Mar. you say fuck rotten tomatoes. Tomato review movies. You do realize like it's a bunch of others. Of. These other people yeah I. Don't know man but you're right. Those are critics the fans you know that. They might move fan. Now I will say like the Hor- elementary movie were a good, but they just didn't take it too far. The PG thirteen like I wish they would have explored it more. Yeah. That's too bad. I hear things about the movie. From. Relying, fancy like. Some other people saw critics. started. The reason you survived. Is because you're a very uncommon girl. You're. Not. To you know mutants or. Anyone to share their first time. Rain. I was thirteen. I thought it was a dream. I just lost control. Some. Panicking. People her. Roberto. Anna I killed eighteen men. Happy about it he's really good. So that we can. Yeah Man. Yeah I don't know you. I'm just giving you time I. HAS ONLY LIKE Like you said what? Seven reviews up their so. Yes there. Who knows man? I mean, we're move chance I WANNA. Give it a chance. To come out and twenty, seventeen, twenty, eighteen again, I can't remember the two, thousand eighteen. Okay Yeah. The movie store to so that's a that's a plus could be a plus yes I, don't know man. I know you. I'm just going by one of the movie. You told me about you say move is great and everybody hate addition. I can't remember what movie this was a movement talking about. Kiana riche it wouldn't it. It was some movie you came in, even do review on it. We asked you. Don't know what replica. I think that's what it was. He said man. You. I'd like to. A Bad. Movie critic saying I was when I was. Now like. This your discerning. Saying. Now. You can trust this not doing. Not. Man Good. Let's see here. Ryan watterson bring around. We'll be done. Yeah, he went to Brag about seeing the spongebob movie, of course. He's only wear by about ten. Spongebob was. Real Shit right there. You know it was the. You you know the. Everyone, else has taught spongebob. Spongebob is because Canada is the only country on the planet that has gone so far. So I guess we're in that way I don't know negative Ryan. No one gives a fuck. You care. I know people in the cartoon community who like coming over to me like you. You seeing Spongebob Spongebob like wait and see I wrote a review for the for the paper and My spies far as Mike before I get into the review, my my screening went very well as far as like seeing it on the big screen and everything and There was only one moment where it actually. It was one moment when it cuts a black and it was right right around the midpoint. But other than that it, it went well gripping very safe. That's good. That's good. So you're you're you are in Canada, right? Antero? Yes. Mom Yeah. Onto us. Cool Man. How's your mom? She's doing very well, both my mom, my dad everyone the family is doing very well they're they're they're working they're staying safe third being productive cozied up on the couch. Looks like laying a blanket. Chili down here. Yeah. All right man. So you know this is this is cool. Everybody's talked about ten houses spongebob man. Well if you don't mind I'll. Rather, them go unscripted I'll I'll. Or? Okay. So yeah because I can I tell you this I write for the paper though the local paper us, you are journalists. Cinema. Used a big words. All right. I know he look he's serious about this. Lead. To, we're talking about spongebob serious. Matter. Thing Fun. You see the smile. Here we go. All, right. Let's say about spongebob. was. Okay. So the spongebob movie sponge on the run is another funny and enjoyable theatrical endeavour with Nickelodeon S-. Biggest IP while the story isn't anything specially kind of feels like something that should be a regular episode, even a TV special. What makes it work is that has all the charm of the classic characters we've known for years as director and Co writer Tim Hill who's actually worked on the show for years sixties giving it a surprising amount of hearts on top of, of course, having the kind of comedy show is known for the General Salinas and its high point is when it gets especially cleared moments that are completely unexpected robot voice actors really lags Kenny. Rogers. would. Always, and even the USTA celebrities works very well the standoff being kion. As a white seats and get some of the funniest moments. Now, the film is almost entirely animated. CD nails the look in fields of the show its aesthetic beautifully while also going. To Stop, citing ring. Reds, screen. Fighting Superior turned into an Art Form as at night trying to just an extended episode this is still a fun. Saying. You ever get the chance to see when it comes to American next year. It's it's a fun watch. That was that was informative. Man Actually you. So me I turn around on IT No. I. Liked of Great Review by the way. Yes that was. Very, thorough. Very thorough will ridden. Yeah. Man. You're. fucked them aware about them. But On Asu Labor that's in now. Philip critic rain. Loud clap I'll do the. Know. Ryan you. You're actually a very good writer I. Know You are You Yeah. I've been doing this for for weeks now, like weeks for like for the past three years I've been doing this for the paper and has been everyone loves my writing style and they were like there are people in town who late, what does that word mean to explain like? To these idiots. Back Words. have to. Spin supporters. Say Say Jillian. You see Tim it you. Not yet, I might not see A. Tenant and new mutants are out in Canada now but I'm not sure if I will be seeing them. 'cause I've got I've got a lot on my plate scheduled to like what you review next. To, the later today when they come I'm reviewing both the. Probably one I'll be. Probably be reviewing either a bill and Ted's based in music or the Finnish verb movie because both of those around them excited to Seattle's turnhout cartoons. Was Animated. He'd be on that Shit. Annexing after dark night I saw every. Christophe. Knowing movie and theater. So boom. Boom. ended. I'll drop the MIC for you. All right. Well, Hey, man barry good. I'm very proud of you. Ryan for I mean moving up right for a paper that's an rising. It is no I mean and I'm not being facetious napping seriously. That's very cool man. We're very, very happy for you. Know you've always wanted to do this and I'm glad that you have the opportunity Ma. Thank you very much been going well and I hope you enjoyed the movie within. EIGHT MONTHS WHENEVER BUY COM decides to put it on CBS relax. Okay. Yeah. When it's when it's not killing people you. Will, get when America gets their shit together Mabel thing about going to the theater where we're not as we don't have, we're not as good as you guys are in. Canada. Good luck. All right. Any. Thank you man. We'll see later. Take care piece. You Know Ryan looks like we're just fucking idiot. and. My words. I beg. Just like that. He. Really. He. He paid some big words for that spongebob. Open. Source? As Windy and he'll soon who wants to talk about? Mount that. New. New Mutants that said it was bad. So. Let's talk. We. Got Him not. Go what the hell. You set up a bitch our. Comeback High. That's Deserted coming out. Again. The loans. There is randy. Randy after dark I can't hear him can't hear. The voice. Of. New Mutants. Would go. To. Julie's talking about stupidity. Nagy Randy. Thank you say. Thank you for listening. Appreciate. Julia just south. Corey the blue light worker. Audio where? We could hear them blue. That would be great. Okay here you man five words. We're doing charades. Isaak's in the duck? Hello power hitting work. Looking, like Dave Washington from ten in the really does. Beard Can you hear me. My God. Apparently I just didn't have the. Google settings are was. Blocked Duchy blocked. To do that. Why we started doing the review show, we're going to have to like. Everybody. Beforehand. Stuff is working from. was going on until you saw communes. I although it to Connecticut for it. The bad idea. How? New York New York okay. So fucking dry dry. That's a very big drive. I took trainer. Okay Okay Hold on a train ride but like. Everything. There's like not being in a theater for five months and then the state of the world just like. Came? Together. Like, my mental state was way off that you know I. I need to go to a theater this just to be like some sort of normalcy. Got You. Got You. So here's the thing you heard. Julian Liuhua ago. You said Mash out. Pretty good. So. It's pretty it's pretty bland like s that's the best way to describe it. Because, the movie's been in Development Hell for channel for so long now that end product just feels this looks exactly how. Out Messy production. If faces a major identity crisis were doesn't know if wants to be a horribly a coming of age story or an. Movie of the NFL. Three. The. Director has been so kind of controversy lately saying how the one of the characters. On was whitewashed on. From the source material, forget which character on springtime sunspot. Movie Who's supposed to be a natural Latina? Oh, the director says I don't care racism. And it Kinda shows because it's really kinda low key racist. It's the movies pretty racist. while. With its casting. The Movie Sex on Daniel Moon Star who's this who who's a native American actor and yet magic of playboy on your Taylor joys is like bullies her by saying nothing but racist insults to her cave capable gone is hey. Standing. Rock and. Really doing this shit in two thousand and twenty s cool. Okay. Let me ask you something Wendy. 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94: Stage 10 | Saint-Flour  Albi | Tour de France 2019

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94: Stage 10 | Saint-Flour Albi | Tour de France 2019

"You are listening to this podcast other to dance in association with have fun fastest closing in to the Yarmouth cycling with character Ryden Watch these are in twenty ninety nine thousand nine as a partner education I and Kenyan sharam stage then today when he not be. You know we in a lovely little square in guy AC. Do you know the twitter frontiers history with Kayak. You're about to tell us suddenly hosted one star or finisher of a Tour de France stage and that was in two thousand and three the very memorable memorable time trial from Acta Cap Dick couvert. Is that the correct pronunciation Francois Thank you where Yang Orrick launch by one minute thirty six seconds which at the time was real seismic result result in the tool didn't Armstrong from winning the tour though and we're what half an hour away from Albi where the stage finish this afternoon. I'm where the race will have. Its Rest Day Tamar. The wind is blowing a light breeze now really by the wind has been the story of the day. Hasn't it was windy this morning at the start. Was We drove down from our beautiful <hes> hotel. What was the village called again Francois? Will you remind me it was level she ac back lovely place in the mountains and we drove down to the start and some floor and it was not as we drove in not that we were laying but we were certainly <hes> you know getting there. The <hes> the the the the towards the later end of the available time slots to arrive shall we say but nationally Labor teams that were behind us while Estan arrived at the same time as Group T._J.. Behind US buying them rather and and and they were both they were both cutting quite fine and there was a lot of stress run this stunning buses twenty Omar finally rude right into me went over my almost came off himself and I was told that it was a lot of stress because they'd been they were saying to clements away. We were told police. Escorts Star not didn't materialize and that's good a long way. Ryan on the writers weren't very happy about it. Now is a coincidence that those two teams were the big losers today you know as a lot happened today so let's have the tail of the please line okay Richard Yes swell stage ten from some flew to Albee two hundred seventeen point five kilometers and it was a stage win for while run out the Belgian sensation riding his first Tour de France for you Mbo visa that would his team's fourth stage win the race after Mike Attorney so on the opening day and then the team time trial and then Dylan Granola on Friday but that doesn't tell even a fraction of the story that was a five-man break off Tony Calapan of A._G.. To our nutshell behani of coffees Antony Taj of total title direct energy match Ca Tusha an odd Christian. I King One. They were joined by Michael Shah of C._C._C. to make it six and so far so predictable on what could and perhaps should have been just a sort of transitional stage taking gently into the rest day but the final seventy five kilometers were all action with the wind causing first concern and then chaos and the tension really ramped up through the late afternoon a win got well stronger and less predictable or perhaps more predictable equitable for those who are in the know and in the final thirty kilometers really all hell broke loose the first casualty with George Bennett the Kiwi with Jimbo visa lying fourth overall this morning perhaps still reeling from New Zealand's defeat to England in the Cricket World Cup final yesterday. You didn't take that too well did he. With thirty three kilometers to go he found himself trapped in a third group on the road after reportedly going back for bottles at his own insistence. We'll maybe dig into that a little bit more in the episode and then a few kilometers after that when the six leaders were caught team any or come to the front to really pile on the pressure and they force the decisive splits caught out were Tibo Pino Yucca Phu Sang Rigoberto Around Ritchie Port and Giulio CICCONI that group did get within around eleven or twelve or thirteen seconds depending on reports with around fifteen kilometers to go but then the bungee rope snapped and the time lost were hugely damaging up the front runner won the uphill sprint ahead of Vivian you and Matthews also in that group the significant names Julian Elephant the Yellow Jersey going Thomas Eggen Banal Croix Zwick Bar Day Kintana Adam and Dan Martin and then it was all is on the clock at one minute forty came the group containing Mollema Pino Iran report saying London Coney came in two Oh nine neighborly was at five minutes and four so game definitively over for him and George Bennett in nine minutes forty one so elephant now lead Thomas by twelve four second back and you would have to say team any also played an absolute blinder today ten days into the race the rest day tomorrow will count the damage and consequentially the wind blowing but first. Let's hear from a man who had well arguably the best seat in the house set p._k.. The Voice of Radio Tour who is in the director's car just behind well all the action that was taking place Richard spoke to him earlier on this evening. I mean well. You had a great view view of what happened. Today was a was a you know where the signs this was going to happen or did it really come nowhere. You had signs about thirty compasses before it really it happens because you could feel the teams will move into the front. She could feel that some of the roads were really struggling. The back and you could feel that that is where tag that right is go to fund co-founders aside winds and that's the possibility for Sean so you could feel it. I mean at least thirty comes before and then it really happens and I was he was he was amazing. Yeah I mean was a case of the strength of the win. The dictated hated just the the the the carnage or was it the identified teams that went to the front and really drilled it. It's a bit of everything I mean. You don't need to have done much wins. It was windy enough and the wind was coming from the rights the rights the right side officer aside win so that was perfect and obviously when you have teams like <hes> in yours and according to the front and putting the pressure on well then everything explodes and also this is the ten estates some guys getting already struggling are getting more and more times so <hes> we we hoped it would happen that it did which is great for the for the show behind the bunch on many stages as thrilling stages. You've witnessed from that vantage point yeah. It's it's always through thrilling mean. The first memory I have a national on stage was Saddam Komo more all states on by Mark Cavendish <hes> quite a few years ago <hes> and yeah it's it's super super exciting because from my perspective being in the team the DART COM number two. I can't really see what's exactly going on. So I try to look at the the ride is in the in the third group. The ride is in the second group and it's always exciting to find out the sunny. Oh this Pino in that group all this food lasagna night or. At the front you have done Martin both the cuttings and you have been out so it's a it's always yeah it's exciting to see who are in the different groups yeah and I was honestly I was really impressed by on man who was maybe born in gathering in verse and his name was and his name as their nihro container he he he impressed me party needs and he showed he was a real landry and once again I mean you've got the best view of the rates. The Bank is action is really at the back on a on a cross win stage. It's like yeah it's called back. It's also great because once the gaps are more or less established we move up so we were behind the third group and we moved to the second group and then we moved to the Yellow Jersey this group as I said you get to see who's in the third group that you get see us in the second group you start to understand the tactics of the different teams and why the some of the teams right in the front so it's yeah it's always a fantastic show that yes sean if table Pino had your ability to jump from Chalon Tashaun pretty pretty interesting because People Kapito was interviewed at the start at the finish by a colleague Nick from television and end up absolutely brilliant question was so you had a bad day and people went and he turned around and went fastest closing in a while to the Oma cycling cycling with character Ryden Watch in two thousand nine hundred as a partner education I and Kenyan Sharam thank you very much indeed to RAF are headline sponsor coat for the Afghan racing films from the Attorney Fronts behind the scenes with education I and <hes> if you want to be a peddler Ducharme then you can become one by buying a Rafeh Heather Ducharme t shirts or Cycling Jersey or casket on that I think this year I've been more aware of people sending us pictures or posting them on social media of them wearing their peddler ducharme cycling podcast at gear so by purchasing range of clothing. You are helping to support the PODCAST custody. Thank you very much in psychologically boosting our morale but also financially as well so thank you very much thanks to Rafeh and so we heard from San P._k.. Just before the break there some fascinating thoughts from him you no there was no surprise by Watson in the sense that the wind was blowing pretty strong and then conditions like that you know you're GonNa get teams like and take to couldn't quickstep four handscroll put in that category now as well anti many obviously obviously have the goal of protecting their two leaders who were both out there and and there were loses well the big losers were food science people Pino and I mentioned the final both teams were quite late to the star who knows that significant Francois Ah you am spoke Steven one of the sports is that the F. T. J. exactly we were making quite a you know a summary of the the first week of the Tory said the way was saying so far so good. We didn't make a mistake and I an I before I left him. I said Oh what about today what what's the wind like and he said Oh to win is but you know back win for two thirds of race and then cross win in the third so we must be cautious so you knew what was going to happen and the funny the thing is Julia few the finish he said exactly the same as everybody knew there would be crosswinds at exactly where the question would take this. We knew would happen thirty five case from the from the finish so everybody was worn so what happened was does and that's what he said. He said the QUICKSTEP didn't try to create a national and I don't think too many US either try to create initial that it was only a matter of positioning and because of the strength of the teams if you apart from Uber versus mma uh-huh from George Bennett who in my opinion you know really lost it today. Because actually I mean you Bucovina pay well. They won the stage but apart from that little hiccup in the in the movies team all the strongest strongest teams in in terms of cohesion that were there are the front and I am not. I'm thinking too quick simple launch move around scroll when no no title team there are even Timson web or was there with Machos and of course all seniors because cohesion is one of their strength lack of cohesion probably lack of good positioning from from the GUPTA MPG meant they know in what was going to happen. It couldn't do anything about it. Pino was not so badly placed when the the the split took place but with only William Bully and different while you could say that these guys are great writers in that should be enough but it wasn't enough to avoid a spit and as we going to she and discuss it was not enough either to chase took place because I mean we discussed it with Lionel in the car the way they handle the chase was probably not adequate either. Yeah I mean my contention. Attention is a they sort of panic debris. I mean they had did have another fifteen kilometers to bring in. They got very close. The job was to get back on before finish. I mean that was the job and <hes> they failed to execute we can it's easy for me to say sitting here Armchair Sports Directo armchair cyclist while they should have just maybe kept cool a little bit Richard You you made the point and he's a completely valid point that when you're behind you wanted to get back on terms as quickly as possible because then once you're in in the wheels any or semi they're all back on so there's no point absolutely drilling now they might ease the pace at the front a little bit. I completely get that but they did have a bit more time to get back on. I mean they they they. They didn't judge over the distance that was available. The only high tide disagree with you. There completely got thank you have to in that situation you have to close as quickly quickly as you can because as long as there's a gap and it closed today to eleven seconds you know they could they could almost reach out and touch them but as long as there's a gap the the front group and has this momentum in this huge psychological advantage. They're throwing coal on the fire. They're you know they're they're gaining by working whereas the psychology of chasing is very very different and for as long as the case I think there's this momentum that builds in the front group and it becomes harder even harder for the group behind the closed. I don't think that any echelon racing the you have to close the gap as quickly as you possibly kind of why you sometimes see guys trying to jump across but the one thing supporting Lionel is <hes> opinion on the on on the matter is it was like he was like the fireworks last night for Bussey Lane away now when you got all these things popping up all over the place and the main the most important moment in that echelon was when actually the second group the Penal Group came back with eleven seconds of of the of the main Proton and all all of a sudden it all cracks we I'm building was with the with the piano he totally crack crack at at the very moment there were there. Were I think to Senator Reid with your fingers on the also. Suddenly you know while they just couldn't do it. Do anything anymore and we so Pino and focus on chasing themselves and it's when it was dead. That's the very moment when delivering seconds we quickly in the matter of the one K. became twenty-second thirty seconds forty seconds and that's finished so maybe at the pace that they're they're the effort just a little bit differently. They might have done it well I. went to hard on the hill. They killed everyone on the hill and had they go over that hill and again easy for me to say sitting looking at the the printed profile but even watching on on the run in the road to the finish they really needed to just hold would it together and buying a bit of corporation and say you know let's let's try and they were so close and I think with a with a slightly more cool blooded approach they possibly could have got back on terms but I completely accept what you're saying rich. They didn't want to be fat with the gap between them and the Front group and of course while the gap is open the momentum and the incentive is totally with the front group very very easy for the chasers at once it down to like Pino and food sang chasing themselves the game really was by that point but perhaps they should have just somebody should have just said well hang on a minute if we can get over the hill and then <music> treat the last six fifteen sixteen kilometers as a separate job penalty to help I in the end yes that would have been a better strategy but I think it would still be damage limitation. I think what they did was they. They tried to to to to close the gap. They tried to get back on terms on trying to do so blew up completely yeah so in hindsight yeah they'd have been better off you know managing the resources pather on accepting they were gonNA lose a bit of time but I think in those situations you do panic. Anybody panicked and is me racing centrists and this may have cost full syon piano the third today they may be stronger in the high mountains but they've lost the tour today on a day where it's all all about positioning team as you mentioned team cohesion fronts on having Francois made two point lap launched a bill fee about how hard one though seconds work for on on a climb that ah in the big mountains. It's even harder to crack people isn't it. I mean they either the crack spectacularly an out of the picture completely or they. It's like teasing our second to be that not being so to just just to throw away that easily I mean they had they just had that moment of clarity. Okay thirty seconds not ideal but let's just get in quickly as we can. They Russia allowed the they insistence on closing the gap rather than limiting losses really and and that that really has been very costly for them. Losing the tour today to in my opinion is probably a little bit exaggerated because if she took piano he it took thirty seconds of the other favorite the other they lost one forty these the today so that's one ten in my might look a lot but it looks ill. He lost one ten on who you know he looks one then mainly on the on Burnell and <hes> Darren Thomas which is funny the way we discuss the positions and the way the positions were discussed during the astrodome implied that all already we admit made our on Iraqi of the tour and what the juicy wha what was meant to to to look at the finish because we mixed forest obviously when we mentioned these guys even even though with we seem to believe that the first week in and you know what was not what's really that important the every everything will happen in the third week in in this guy we we discussing Burnell Thomas Pinault Fogel and maybe Iran and a little bit container. We've already decided the six guys would win. One of the six guys would win the tour and these little things team time trial La Plaza bill fee the Piano Phillip prayed and today's echelon they might not look like very important. We'll see Indian what impulsivity have but they already manage to sort out the men from the boys and there's only like five of six guys left in contention yeah but you're talking about the defending champion and Agam Banal who we all kind of agreed wallpaper and one minute forty I mean how hard do you have to work to make one minute forty on on a mountain top finish. I mean just to see that time. Go Away on a daylight today. What I'm saying I mean ah for the funny thing is once again we we knew and we said and we maybe we didn't say it's as bluntly as we should because we cautious and it was the beginning of the tour but in the back of our mind everyone of us every single journalist in the press room at a the number one favourite burnout number two very Garin Thomas and then who else on the podium probably during the first week of the tour piano at replace Zongo citizen crash but that the these today you before just before the first day I mean this? This idea is to conception preconception where the saul got got confirmed. We have two favorite two guys didn't make any mistakes because even content lost a little bit of time in in the team time trial and in other instances but these are attitude favorites for the two more than ever and beyond the the real interesting again almost as usual will be third well we will focus on the losses. Don't we in the situation but let's give credit team any offs for the way that he wrote. I mean the bucking Bronco Riding in in in crosswinds like that they really they they go aboard and they held on Thai a name they they made it happened in Thomas and bound to have luke growing Johnny Moscow in that corner <hes> I mean they they didn't put a foot wrong and Dylan van baller as well that gets ski. I mean look I mean there's a real supreme. Set peaky mentioned Hi Niece Cantona Bernal as well two guys. Maybe don't expect to be up there in front echelon but Luke Rowe again sort of <hes> Arkansas Orchestra conductor wasn't he was he was he was instrumental. Marcus Burghardt was was very I strong for Boron Score Daniel loss you know and then Casper screen Islam and all these guys for it to cutting quickstep as well there was some real big engines up there and let's hear from Gary and Thomas who also came through we saw Garin Thomas Angela Felipe both driving into on the front. Here's Gary Thomas One of the day's big winners to see other. Finish is the what exit or anything <hes> I think <hes> yeah I guess couldn't think of anything better but <hes> now I have really good day. I guess in the end you know we had to go up. It wasn't really the right conditions and then you know the logo and then quickstep and we just always attentive and ready for anything yeah really pretty good good in the end and I guess the key was the everyone not from groupies very committed. There were a lot of guys he obviously from our point of view. We have <hes> two guys so we'll just committed and then <hes> kind of like borough whatever and there was plenty of guys anyway ten and <hes> you know behind until they went full especially on the cons China closet and then because they didn't nothing they just like run out of gas and then that's when the elastic snap then and we such a big big he knows los. I remain influencing has while she's blow. You're blinded today. Isn't it yeah especially on a day like today where <hes> you'd never expect it really you know I think it's just A. Physician Inara from them and <hes> yeah they lose overman in half so <hes> a great from appointed <hes> surprised so many Misao Agusan <hes> yeah like I said they committed full <hes> close as quickly as possible level and then when they didn't manage up by the top of the climb on them we just you know numbers and captain in Aspen. The elastic snap thirty gained bits on shoot that I I think podcast team car the back of the facts lease. You'll be familiar with the voice of P._k.. The Voice of Radio tour the literally in the driving seat of the Tour de France to remind us to tell you that this episode of the cycling podcast is sponsored by our friends bear fifty two dot com. 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You can just take your free case and cancel anytime you want go to fear fifty two dot com slash cycling beer five two dot com slash cycling we mentioned the and neither can Tana good day Kontena a very bad day for his teammate Mika Landa who had a pretty nasty crash when he was he was well positioned and there was it seemed to be the the Warren Bar Gil. Maybe just touched. She'll announce sleeps. Wheel lost lost control himself did very well not to fall off in doing so to me crash site. I didn't see him finish. It looked nasty from the footage and it didn't it didn't come out of the bus. I spend most so my <hes> the after the finish has been like twenty minutes at a moisture bus wade into London in never came out and said he would only talk tomorrow the press conference on Arrestee so obviously a little bit of damage there and it's a shame for movies songs that their roads like one of the big teams and they really want to. I mean remember the day when we were in. <hes> you know in in in Holland in these on on this boulders <hes> at the start of the tour couple of years back when the content lost well. I think exactly one forty one fifty in initial on they've learned that that the Dow to ride initial owns the N._f._l.'s me for longer it crashed at the worst possible time Kontena is looking good but one of the one of the pre-race favourite Yacob fool sign and a bad day for him and I was surprised at we were talking this morning or last night I think about how quiet astonish have been you know one of the teams. We've not seen any breakaways. Despite having right is like Omar Friday magnus core who could win stages M and I a my suspicion was they were you know really keeping their powder dry for the high mon since I would've expected and loosely on Sanchez Sanchez writers like why would you expect them to have cooked a lot better today with the conditions and and with what happened when fool sang was distanced. I spoke to their sports director Lars Michaelsen at the finish. Here's what he had to say. Well you know <hes> I know the teammates did what they could and <hes> yeah it's racing and I think they brought it back to like ten seconds or even less then they exploded while he was not the only one losing time was from the D._C.. Easy so <hes> let's see let's take it easy and see what happens this. There's a few stays is left to try to make up if he had been in the right position he would have been in the first group of also so I think he's unhappy himself. I mean if you update you don't do time now. He was not out there now. He's losing time as I said before we focus on the people who've lost time but really the story is the people who didn't lose time. I mean Steven Krause Reich was in that front group a very good ride by him. Emanuel Book Man With ineffable handscroll Enrik mass with an effort to cutting quickstep obviously had the benefit of following his teammates Allah Philippe who were clearly going to be in that front split but the two names that kind of not surprised me ride as you would think might be slightly vulnerable in terrain like this Adam and Dan Martin. We've seen Demartin court our in similar situations in the tour before I wonder how significant is that Adam had motto Trentino. They're trying to get into the split in order to contest for the stage. I mean he was in the end and Dan Martin Martin had yes but Phillips in who was six in the end you know really handy teammates or wheels to follow when the split started to happen and they were they were on the right side of them. Where where we're where will the plausible fee you know crosby and marketing outing so you know it's it's? It's really in the first week like this. You know it's so unpredictable. It's really down to really adapt at at at the end moment to the to the situation this these they as well they were on the right set of situation cross bike. We not surprise I mean he knows that writing initials Martino agree and Adam Yates. I you know I think Michelle Don Scott in the last couple of years. I've also stage echelons themselves but yeah your mouth is might be the the surprising one. They're a quick mention of an Rick Mass because we win you know he's someone that that's not fences but <hes> every day since <hes> holy the genealogy Philly paws in the <hes> in the Yellow Jersey lasts men with <hes> Julian on all terrence for the past six days was rick. Mass is always been writing on the front. We know what it didn't work. Last year is is a young a young rider with lots of potential is actually even if the conic quickstep I'm not saying it is their real juicy Lira so <hes> you know <hes> a little penny on on not another dog on <music> a guy who could finish fifteen or even better well second into well to last year won a stage of course he while he was going back of washing and into Swiss just before the two of the front sending looked to me I mean he got up the road one day but didn't look convincing lynching at all has been completely over shallow shadowed by teammates this week but now six overall before we've really climbed anything more significant than lap launched Delfi so yeah as we go into that first rest day to cutting quickstep stabbed got the Yellow Jersey but they also got their better G._C._e.. Hope extremely well placed the cycling podcast and a twenty nine hundred to the phones is supported by scientists books science books fueled by science. Thank you very much to sciences sport for supporting cycling PODCAST. You can get twenty five percent off. All your scientists products scientists sport dot com with the Code S._I._S.. Ep Twenty five s <music>. I S C P twenty five am show type for our show that we're in harrogate at the world championships on the Friday evening and go to the cyclic podcast dot com live events. US At the top down the side live events and you can get tickets there for that show where Francois will join us. It'll be to south Lionel free on. Perhaps a special guest to talks are ongoing <hes> <hes> any other business from today today's dramatic sage. I know we're close arrestee Lila. When you start talking about bags of washing well I already did my washing a few days ago and there's a washing machine in our <hes> airbnb this evening with Francois was delighted to discover just need to get some washing powder? That's the problem you know in case of emergency with all revolved on it <hes> washing <hes> doing laundry without any washing in powder which is better than nothing you say never eats cul spaghetti. Either you know and you didn't have any when Agusan power was cut off. I mean you never were student. uh-huh definitely use <hes> washing powder but we'll we'll go on the hunt for that. Tomorrow is arrestee and it's funny isn't it because the complexity of the race seems different after today we were heading into the rest of the serenely mouth's watering the prospects of out of the race might unfold over the next week or so because it seems so open so finely balanced so well poised really on a now I mean maybe a Francois in his in his you know typically blunt way says always got confirmation of what we expect to the Star but you always hope don't you and your was certainly hope for a race with lots of Lauren one thing that we we haven't seen hours talking talking this morning to a couple of <hes> tim directors like the Chitchat outside of the bus Chitchat nothing worth recording or the things that they wouldn't tell you if you you've shared microphone and they were all saying you know like I told him yeah well. I heard that you know it's the Mo most relaxed first week of the tour <hes> for for the last decade or something. That's well some some writers set in his say. Oh beware it's not the case at all. They're all said the way the course was designed was actually to wear out <hes> the riders in different kind of exercise. You have the team time trial which is which is hard on cargo and intense then you've gotta plausible even if it's not you know the the high mountain stage it's the attitude change gear to change bikes to change type of efforts almost every day today in the win the day before the statutes Antigen with always up and down and really a contender well. That's what all of the guys were saying especially with the rest of they've been pushed back one day that they're all get into wrestling with a lot of relief because it might not seem obvious but they're already tired very well. I mean save made that point as well which coach again you know he's got the the bass he's he's looking at the back of the bunch and and that's in many ways the best vantage point he can see starting on a day like today. Am the how this happened. When just somebody loses a wheel because they're they're tired fatigued and with the an extra day of racing before the rest of the you know that may have been just a little fight today? Yeah I know we are kind of looking at the result now thinking well Thomas and Bernal Nala second and third overall already having at least Pino ahead of them gave that little bit of doubt but it still might be still might be unpredictable from here on the thing we learned today is is that no matter what Eius writers they can fall in a pile of Dung and still come out eating strawberries. I don't know quite how they do it. They saw everyone else has lost something somewhere today. Apart from any arguably you believe don't forget the Jiro when Garin Thomas where they are leader Kaffir of yes back it can it can i. I don't wish for that but from time to time can go you can go wrong. You can crash so you know confirmation of course us but we all hope not that in yours fade out for the wrong reasons but we we owe for a little bit more competition and I think that Pino losing time today and the way they did lose time was probably sound warning from him. It's WHA- bizarre way is is better for him to to lose time now than than than <hes> you know crashed completely <hes> in the mountains later on I guess <hes> maybe maybe the great first week he had so far <hes> the the kind of <hes> you know lost a little bit of their attention and and and <hes> and probably there was a kind of overconfidence you know they thought oh well we've been with everything writes the first time in many years and and so and so yeah off Paul you should never I mean that's probably the mistake to menial. Also Tim's Kinda never did never ever lose your concentration for one second and we saw the other day you know even when guarantee Thomas crashed crashed the damage was minimum because of the way they they were organized and we're able to support him to get back up to the group. No you get back on his bike in the first place and then it was well drilled than you know for what might have been a catastrophic incident. Nothing was really lost in the grand scheme of things and you know today. It wasn't Pino that lost. The wheel you know Pinos. Farm is obviously amazing. He's going really well. He didn't have a bad day. Physically somebody up ahead of him lost the wheel somebody somebody else's fault so he's paying a very heavy price for something that physically he's the same writer that he was yesterday. Positioning isn't it. I mean not all candy but the split might might be the thirtieth arthritis the thirty fifth writer you can still be in the top fifty and be caught in that situation yeah no okay argue should be in the top thirty but well especially when no that is going to happen and went went special when you notice to crosswinds thirty five case which raises the question we have to talk about the even quickly what I was about to be to swear but what the heck happened to Church Ben at what did he do. I mean well. The story we heard was that he had insisted on going back for bottled himself. I mean if that's the case while I mean surprising yeah we will fencing you know even if it was as you know <hes> looking far ahead and and it would have been lots of conditioning but to do the first New Zealander in the euro jurors all his you know wasn't Ammo if our Felipe fallaway on one of these big players and Bennett was in pole position really to take the Yellow Jersey so yeah huge missed opportunity and he'll be he'll be kicking himself tonight and because it signs in his case like there was a an error they're clear error but anyway we'll maybe catch up with him and find out exactly what went on <hes> you know. He came into her to support Stephen cries wake first and foremost I guess so for movies. I don't think it was a bad day. Know what I mean. He's been he's been promising. This has an and feet feet some the the Lucon Viviane's face as he crossed the line was just you know one of surprise you movies my one three sprints as were three different which is incredible. I've gotTA start here. I've been done. Before the what's been done before is actually a Dutch team won one five stages with with four different riders on facts in no in the only ones <hes> didn't happen last time it happened. Actually in the first ten stages of the tour was in one thousand nine hundred to rally G._I.. Rally they won the team time trial and they won four stages ages with different with four different writers so he's up. I mean the teams had ten riders each about ten teams in the race in day and we'll kind of dominating the field especially in the early stages of the tour seal has been don reform not buying any other business from tonight. All how can I forget well. We nearly did forget we nearly having almost through to the first rest day outside. The team bus almost didn't happen today. A couple of days ago hotel coffee FIDIS press office on was <hes> was a hotel and he approaches and said are you recording a podcast and we explained who he were and he said Oh we'd love to do more with you. WE'RE GOING TO BE WHOA to next year office so they were offering the moon on a stick and so I said well yeah I'd like to talk to Nap Nail Behani the trained champion sure come to the boss okay what about in a couple of days time no problem so into the bus this morning and first of all I was told that about Harney who had a crash a couple of days ago and has a bandage on his right knee. I think would having a little bit of extra physio just to make sure he was ready for the stage no problem then it was well. He'll talk to you after he's come back from sign on no problem then when he came back from sign on the dotted very quickly into the bus and I thought well I'm not gonNA push here. Then when we go in the car Richard You said call for disappointing disappointing but let me go into car you said in the early bright and he was out in front for you know two thirds of three three quarters of the day <hes> so well. I wanted to speak to him at the finish because companies Lila Deng on Chemo eating strawberries Eli didn't I came up with a mouthful of Dung and Straw so cooperatives with staying in Alabama so although their bus was at the finish they riders at just gone straight to the hotel no luck so unfortunately I did manage to speak to somebody else outside their team bus outside the team bus. We Oliver Nahshon A._G.. To our low ammonia I think everybody wasn't disputing problems with problems opportunities. That's got opportunities because we had the tailwind for fifty K. and then seventy k. side <hes> silence so then everybody knows you have to be in the front center. There's no there's no place in the front for everybody. You spin out rewriting seventy eight the case in our splits happen so so where were you when it was starting to split up and more crucially where was Roman bar day he was on my real with a Cheryl who were two trips. Were like fifteen twenty position where we were actually since that point uh-huh decide when started because we knew we never had to be in. It's a lot of confidence in those situations. It's <hes> something I I love doing very much. I don't think I've ever missed an sean and I wasn't planning on doing that today. It's a crosswind the same wherever you are is the crosswinds here the same as in flounders no no no no. There's plenty of there are rules that in France in France three I need like twenty five thirty our wins in Qatar in fifteen in case our in Belgium in your twenties our in the long straights open fields and then a magic can happen and in terms of Rome about day. He was very harsh on himself. After lap launch devel- fee the comments she made to gain some time. Not Everybody on some people must be <hes> you know boost to morale not just for him but for the team I think especially for his Marin and his mental states. It's important I mean what's he like in the team this year. Does he have the same kind on a confidential as in previous <hes> before we start at say yes after fear. That's correct him a bit. I think now it's going back. I feel like there's there's a good ambience in the buzzer. Las Days and I hope it keeps getting thing by the way you were in. Break the other day and you were trying to go across to that move to describe how hard that wasn't how close to making it. Did you get five. I think we were the closest was like five seconds. I think I said all out you give. Can you give what you have and make you can win. 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11-07-19 Trapping for food and fur

Native America Calling

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11-07-19 Trapping for food and fur

"Welcome competive America. Calling from studio forty nine in Albuquerque. I Monica Breen. Trapping season has begun in several states for avid trappers. That means setting in one or more traps for animals like Bob. Cats Martens fishers rabbits and foxes. It has a long history among native Americans and Alaskan natives today it's regulated by federal and State Wildlife Agencies and many tribes have their own restrictions. It faces criticism by many wildlife kits. Who say it's less humane mainly regular hunting? Join us as we talk about modern trapping right after the news This is national native news. Megan camera in for Antonio Gonzales in Washington. Five activists were arrested Tuesday after they blocked a ship from entering the port of Vancouver uncover because it contained pipeline for the Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Project in Canada Oregon public broadcasting reports climbers with Portland. Rising tide and mosquito fleet locked themselves to the dock where the shipment was to be off loaded. The activists said the tar sands crude. That's transported by the expansion project requires far more water water for extraction and refining and the gasoline made from the crude him. It's more greenhouse gas. They said they were acting in solidarity with the Fort. MCI First Nation who are suing the government amount of Alberda because they say the tar sands expansion threatens land they hold sacred Fort Mckay first nation was recently in the Court of Appeal in Edmonton Global News reports. It's chief Mel Grand Champion. said his people do not oppose oil extraction but they want their treaty rights respected Fort Mkhize opposing prosper petroleum's Rogue L. Project because it would put a processing facility in an area that tribe wants to protect near Moose. Lake the activists in Vancouver were booked for criminal trespass failure to disperse an obstruction. And this was the latest in a series of actions. Trying to block shipments for the Trans Mountain Project. The University of Wyoming recently adopted a strategic plan for how to best support native eight of American students on Campus Wyoming. Public Radio's Melody Edwards reports. That committee members feel. It's coming just in the nick of time since the university is getting ready to hire new. The President University of Wyoming's Native Student Advisor Rain At ten door says it isn't easy for kids to move a long way from home to attend college as a native student. When we're leaving the reservation you look for somebody that can kind of support you through Everything because of all this. The unique needs and challenges that we face as native people leaving leaving the reservation first of all to come to a predominantly white campus is a struggle. That's why former. UW President Lori Nichols hired ten door door to make that transition easier as President Nichols also met with tribes in person and tackled a strategic plan to bring up native student enrollment last spring. The university's board of trustees opted not to renew the president's contract. We were shopped in disheartened Due to the fact of love that she has just worked hand in hand with US and really sat down with the table and and really just tried to identify barriers arrears that Not Not tribal members go through when trying to get an education that's northern Arapaho Business Council chair. Lee Spoon coon hunter. He says he's worried. The new president won't prioritize tribal relations like Nichols did native American Advisory Council Chair Kenjiro worked on the new strategic plan and says the goal is to transcend the personalities that come and go in administration. I'm taking it as part of my personal agenda to make this. As as a matter of fact this is part of what you W does Mr or MRS president. Whoever that is and get behind us because we're rolling jarrow says the plan sets goals to bring on more native American Faculty Pursue Research Relevant to tribes build a larger native American Center and more the board of trustees hopes to hire the new president by next spring for National Native News? I'm Melanie Edwards. Authorities have not released a cause of death for two people who died over the weekend on the Navajo who reservation in New Mexico. Koa TV in Albuquerque reported. Fourteen others were injured during a ceremony. That took place in a traditional Hogan. On the Alamo Navajo Reservation Chicago. County officials with the tribes of the ceremony lasts through the night. And there's an open pit fire in structure. It began Saturday night and early Sunday morning. A A woman reported finding a man and woman unresponsive on the floor a Navajo. Police spokesperson said fourteen. Others were treated for smoke inhalation for national native news. I'm making camera. National Native News is produced by Colonic Broadcast Corporation with funding by the corporation for public broadcasting support by Freedom Lodge inviting. You A to a two hundred dollar intertribal historical trauma masterclass where you can learn a body based approach to trauma. Reconciliation free of charge program for tribal members. Registration deadline headline is January tenth at Freedom Lodge Dot Org support by railway moving our economy for over one hundred at sixty five years our vision to operate injury accident free with safety programs training and technology more at Bien SF dot com slash tribal relations native voice one the native American radio network. This is native America Calling Monica Brain sitting in Fort Hare Gatewood. The methods and equipment have changed over the years but trapping remains a practice with a long history for native Americans. Experience Native trappers see it as a viable option for sustenance an animal population management. It's highly regulated to protect endangered animals and to ensure humane standards most. Oh seats allow for body grip trapping which is designed to kill an animal quickly foothold trapping and Snare Trapping California and Hawaii. Hawaii have a ban on all trapping Massachusetts in Washington only allow live cage and box trapping animal rights groups and wildlife hunting enthusiasts easiest. Usually butt heads over the perception. That trapping is less humane than hunting. We'll hear about modern trapping and its connection to longstanding cultural practices actresses. And we want to hear from you is trapping a tradition in your family. How do you make sure trapping is done humanely in your native community join us by calling one eight hundred hundred nine nine six two eight four eight? That's also one eight hundred nine nine native joining us now from Fairbanks Alaska is PJ Simon. He's an advocate kit for native people. Big Game hunting guide active trapper and plummer. And he's a board of Director for the Alaska Trapper Association Asian. He's from the Kacic tribe and registered to the coin con ATHABASCA. Welcome to native America calling doing. Pj Morning Good morning from the Blizzard Fairbanks. How cold is it up there? That's not bad. It was zero five below the other day. Now it's twenty four seven inches of snow. Oh Wow so just balmy well. PJ thank thank you so much for joining us today and Is it is it trapping season in Alaska right now art me. Is it trapping season in Alaska right now. Absolutely November first is the opening day. Everybody in everybody Alaska's excited that. Go out the outdoors and recreate with trapping. Where did you learn to trap my father and in the sixty seventies my dad used to go out with the little to fifty get land before he went out with a dog team? He'd go forty miles with his brother. Everybody would trap Martin and Monica Martin was bread and butter and lakes so my father made a living and he had dogs. You know he's had dogs for sixty five years but my grandfather also trapped in my great grandfather grandfather you know they probably used deadball before the coming of steel crafts. Okay for our listeners. Who may not know what's put some Martin? Martin are like weasels or they're called sable and some definitions the Chinese the Greeks Greeks the Italians the Japanese they all a lot of the Asian countries they use the Martin for for in our culture and ATHABASCA and culture. It's used to be a sign of wealth because we were. It showed that we were able bodied and we went out and we trapped Martin. We weren't Martin for hats which is really beautiful. It's really beautiful. The health and tell us about learning to trap you know. What does your father share with you about the process of it it well? He showed me how to respect the animals when we catch it. We don't let animals suffer in our culture. We we live out in the middle of nowhere. We grew up in the middle of nowhere. One of the main things were respecting the animals that we talk. We didn't step over it. We didn't sold aside side. We put it in a place where it's respected. We skin it we. Sometimes I saw my dad. Put 'em terrible fat in the Martin's mouth before we put it out back out to the woods that completes the cycle and it shows respect and then we'll have luck again if we create the mark and really good and back in those days that was. The mainstay of income was Cracking into Windsor. We're talking about trapping today on native America calling and I want to invite our Alaska listeners to call in and share their experience. Do you trap in your family. Are you passing it on to to the next generation. What do you think about trapping? Give us a call. The number is one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight. Everyone's welcome to the conversation today so Pj Tell us about the process of trapping like what step one that one is. Boil your traps. And snares you'll get picked in the summertime before November. First you plan out your season Asian you make sure you've got all your beaver mittens your beaver. Half Your muck muck locks all your emergency close you you get your your traffic ready. You compare notes with other trappers to make sure that you're ready because it out there you only. You never get a chance to make a second mistake. Bake it's usually you're done. It's it's rugged country it's Alaska. How do you? How do you know that the trap isn't going to get something something that you're not trying to trap you know like I don't know someone's stray dog or something like that? Well if there's a stray dog dog between here and Allakaket Alaska which is one hundred and nine thousand six miles by air. You know. That's that's not a stray dog. Where my that's where my crap line is in my family's been trapping there forever? We use condom bears. We used poll stats for Martin. It's off the ground dozen target Fox or lynx or dogs traps are high enough off the ground where we don't. There's no cats of other intended targets is just Martin AH links links when lynxes good in January February. That's when we go out. Roads used for ceremonial practices. Here's an interesting interesting fact. In eighteen ninety nine the territory of Alaska only Alaskan natives were allowed to harvest for so department of Interior Earier made a lawn 1899 that said all Alaskans can start cracking. It was a lucrative trade and then I imagine after that we here We know about the stories in in Canada of some populations like the beaver. Almost being completely completely decimated from further trappers. And so it's it's a heavily regulated activity now. What are some of the regulations that you have to follow? We have strict state and federal regulations. We abide by all this the state regulations. But here's another gym. They asked the Baskin's we we manage our trap line. Just like how you manage a bank accounts we look at tracks when you start catching too many male female email marketing. You gotta take a break. Let that area rescue opened another lines to same with lakes. If there's not enough links out there we don't trap if just off-season you let them rebound you. You let them come back again. Same with wolves you know Alaskan natives. We don't know white everything out. A lot of business tycoon into a culture we over thousands and thousands of years and with new technology mode of transportation. It just enhance our lives spill yet. Our our our goal is not the wipeout everything the same Alaska trappers association we just want protect our heritage. We want to protect what we do. Everybody in America does things different. This is kind of then the last thing but hey you know he loved to trap you feel that sting on your cheek at twenty below. You're doing good well. Do you love to trap. Do you like to feel the sting on your cheek at twenty below. Give us a call. Aw share your experience trapping we want to hear from you. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight or maybe oh post trapping. You're you're welcome to the conversation as well. When eight hundred nine nine native? What do you do with the pelts? Pj aren't me. What do you do with the pelts with the animals that you that you capture? Well I have a marketing hat from my mother. I've got a beaver hats on my auntie. I give have a lot of the further away that I don't sell and just because it's part of our ATHABASCA culture we we use terrible heights for mattress on the ground we call them. We use Caribou for. Turn it inside out. That's good for forty or fifty below. We use links for for Matt we use Wolf and Wolf Green for rough on the park test. We use Muskrat for for Parke's sometimes. Some people make ground squirrels rules. If you go farther north the ATHABASCA engine and Arjun country they used to make out ground squirrel. Parke's some used to make wolf policies pullover. The park is a beautiful beautiful against somebody takes a lot of work when you set. Run A line in your luck out. Just think goes to a seamstress shit goes to people who make something out of it and just empowers that animal spirits and makes it makes us all feel good that we're doing something to save our culture to live our culture in an ever changing world. I was curious. So you said you send it to a seamstress. Do you tan the the. Hide yourself my mother does that. I never was keen on watching how the canning process go. You know. I love the outdoors November I. I'm just I'm out there. You know whether it's setting some beaver sets for food and Dan Martin links. We don't cut links to after the new year in the walls to it's just They got. It's gotTa get forty blow thirty below for for a while and then the the prime out. That's where you get a good rough and it goes with our ceremonial pot. latches are dearly departed. We have sir ammonia remembrance two or three years later when the family could afford to make all the the beat at slippers the beat had gloves. They give away special gifts to people that help out when they lost loved ones and they have a celebrate. It's like a celebration of life and we also do a cloth dance with all the furs around the community hall. It's all cloth. And then we we have canned wolves. Wolverine powerful powerful animals in our old ways the Nagas stories. How time began? Those are really important. Cultural Events tied the tracking. Well we are talking about trapping today in native America and if you WANNA get in on our conversation give service a call. The number is one hundred nine nine six two eight four eight We'll talk more a little bit about processing the pelts after the break week. I'm curious how that's done When it's so cold up in Alaska we're GONNA go to a short break? We'll be right back Picking Your own apples and taking a tour to see your vegetables. Go from the garden to your dinner plate. Or part of what is known as agrotourism prism a new kind of business venture tribes that connects tourists and native farmers and ranchers join us for the next native America calling as we take a look at how tribes and native eight of entrepreneurs are combining ABG and tourism support by AARP AARP creates and connects you to unique tools and programmes helps you save money and tackle the issues that matter most to you your her family and your community what. Aarp does might surprise you like sponsoring the National American Indian Housing Council Conference in Las Vegas Nevada December ninth and Tenth Information at eight eight. RPM Dot Org. That's A. R. P. Dot Org. uh-huh yeah I I. If you're listening to native America Calling Monica Brain sitting in for Terry Gatewood. Today we're focusing on trapping if your trapper. We'd like to hear from you. Tell us about the history of trapping in your family or your native community. Give us a call. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. That's one eight hundred nine nine native. We've been talking with PJ. Simon he's an advocate for native people. A big game hunting guide an active trapper and a plumber and PJ he jay Before the break you were talking a little bit about the what you use the pelts for every curious you said you sell some of them what's what's the market like for selling further that you've trapped a few years ago it was the market was really good. There was high demand I and and of course with global global powers and politics now. China has got a terrorist. They're they're eighty percents. Customer Zimmer for a while for Greeks used to be a really big buyer of for and like the big. The Wolf Walgreens A lot of Alaskan search high demand local demands for Wolf and Wolverine but this year the dismal prices. As you're looking at top price for Marcus. Forty five bucks in some areas in Alaska. It's six seven dollars a gallon of gasoline. So get you're just GONNA have a tough time this year packing. That's just how it is or highs or lows some events animal rights some if if it's not animal rights it's just the market and a lot of Monica has to do with education like on my facebook page. I put a lot of my hunting talking videos on. I try to follow the subsistence calendar. Even though I live in fairbanks I go back between Allakaket and the fairbanks a lot summer and fall in winter and one of our elders that passed away years ago from a different region. Well respected US chief. Big Chief he said you. GotTa you've you've gotta mix the West grand in traditional ways but never forget where you come from yeah absolutely. I'm curious. PD He did. We've done shows on native America calling before about how I've ARY ban really affects Alaskan native ivory carvers I and Just kind of messes up particularly with trade and things like that. And I'm curious if you see some of that WHOA with selling pelts as well like are there some areas that have outlawed being able to even sell you know Marten compelled or something like that. The only area I know that has an outlaw is Europe I think the E. U. banned any further talk by leg hold traps coming from America in Nineteen ninety-one. I believe but other than that. It's you know tracking. It's getting tougher and tougher. A A lot of the old guys their strongest nails. You're still going out there. But the young guys. They're having a hard time with the swing in the market. And and the know how you have to go out there you busta trail with snow shoes or you're walking in front of dogs. It's tough life. You're active all the time and leave your crap line cabin or wall into in the morning at five or six you come back at six or seven at night and you you you do this every single day. It's not made for everybody. You GotTa Admire tracking you know like I said we're not out there to wipe out everything we manage the land accordingly to the tracks in the number of species even even the price of that stuff comes into play but mostly we use it for cultural purposes. All over Alaska. You rich history up here. Beautiful people all over interior the coastal village villages northern neighbors. You know it's everybody practice in in a different way and it should be respected. That's really interesting so it's not really something that you can do as a hobby like set the trap on Sunday and come back the next weekend and check it. Sometimes you go mid week The hard core traffic so I know a lot of them made us none native. They stay out there night and day. They go sixteen hours a day and they do because they love. Who knows you know? We only live once Monica on. I'm forty eight years so I've been tracking some showers nine years old and the coffee candidate number zero fat. Find a catch weasel. Were dollars and fifty. Cents from Dean Wilson Delete gain also. Well well we're talking about trapping today if Trapping is something that's happened in your family. you're passing passing it down or you WANNA share a little bit about it. Give us a call. We'd love to hear from you. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. Let's take some calls. We've got melvyn in Santa Fanti Nebraska. Tunein Casey Y que. Hay they're Melvin. Good Morning I'm not trapper but I was listening to the man. Talk about about the Celtics and a lot of deputies in nieces up picked up the red road and are practicing practicing their native ways but the things they need certain Couch and hard to get any said the Alaska and trappers association today have a website and on the website. Is there a place where they could direct just where we could buy or trade for pelts question. PJ Yes. Alaska Cropper's association does have have a website. It's comprehensive website. And if you WANNA purchase or showcase items I'd have to check it out. I have to talk to the President President of Alaska Crappy Association Randy Jonky but being involved is half the battle. We just want to protect what we do. Oh and we donate some causes locally. We we rewrite books. From a hundred years ago on tell stories We buy into stories that people want to conserve their what their great grandfather again. And we put it into written form. It's it's it's a nice website you should check it out. Everybody everybody should check it out. Excellent all right James. Thanks so much. And thanks Melvin. Forgiven US call us take another caller. We've got Dan in Billingham Alaska tuned in on Katie. Algae here Dan Yeah Good Morning. I'm really glad you're doing this This show A lot of thoughts about trapping. I'm very small small dabbler myself friends I have here. That are not serious more serious but you know there was a time when Folks in remote Alaska made very very good livings Trapping and it was good honest hard work just like BJ's sand and it kept a lot of young folks busy Z.. And Healthy and tuned into the Wilderness and I I'm kinda feeling like the anti trap movements almost genocidal. We have massive massive suicide and discouragement. Now call problems drug problems in Rural Alaska because these young folks don't really have much of an outlet there it's it is hard chopping but there's you know sometimes like the market for Otter just drop away a few years ago when China got mad at the US. I forget the full reason but you know it's renewable resource and like. Pj San folks responsible. Trappers were card to maintain maintain their populations. The other thing too is like right now. I've got game cameras in my yard and dealing him and I have Fox's running through it you get to many Fox's especially around and you start worrying about rabies where trapping in Poll numbers down. You have a good pal and you reduce the rabies issue because you have less overpop- less population so there's a lot of stuff rolled up into but I see a lot of these villages are okay to where they are for good trapping good hunting good fishing and now young folks don't have the reasons to go Out in in in Trapped so much. It's a lot of hard work. Didn't make any money at all so I'll stop there. Thanks three comment. Dan to add to that We mentioned in the intro. The California has banned any kind of trapping. But it's also This year they passed a law to make it illegal to sell donate and make new for products and PJ. Just you know. Want to give you a moment to respond to to dance comments. It's about you know being anti-fur is almost genocidal. Yeah they did some damage in the eighties and the nineties. But you know Monica might people's been been here for thousands and thousands of years in. We've carved out living. We went through the Great Blues Hundred Twenty years ago. And now we're going to climate change. You got your up and down your battles and it comes at you different angles but Alaskan native people hateful. We just never give up the help each other out. That's what the community does you know. Even in the remote Alaska different villages non natives working working with natives native is working. The brothers were brother's keeper so just all working together. That's the key thing we're not gonNA fight lights in different battleground but we're going to come together and say this is how we are just like early already mentioned I write. I post a lot of videos on facebook page because there's a lot of misunderstanding misconception about hunting fishing trapping here. That's what we you did. My Dad used to tell me stories about when he used to be out in the line for a long time he catches a links. You know he'd cook some links me and I know several other trappers offers in the northern interior. They used to eat links. And that was just sustenance. And that's our livelihood. We didn't think good or bad of it that just how that was the way it was. Is it still is today in some areas of Alaska. Let's adds more voices to the conversation today. And if you want to join us we would love to hear from you. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight joining us also from Fairbanks Alaska as Temple Dillard. He's he's a trapper skin sewer and swamp runner dealer and he's Yupik Eskimo from the twin hills from Twin Hills Alaska. Welcome to native America Calling Temple Apple. Thank you very much. I appreciate the Monica well. We've we've tackled a number of areas when we talk about trapping. I'm GonNa give you a moment if there was something that she was shared earlier. That you want to the you want to mention or talk about so I don't trap as remote as PJ. I trap a little closer to town. I got a regular job. I can't get out as far as I'd like so I wanted to address. Non Targets Domestics and and stray dogs here in the Fairbanks North Star. Borough we do have a leash law. It's not very enforced and most people just scoff at you when you mentioned this to the trail heads but we do have a lease lie. Here and I my sets I to avoid domestics I so searching for canines like Fox Coyote. It's a very subdued set. Somebody who doesn't know what they're looking for would never see it and and I don't put those very near where I suspect. Other other outdoor recreation will be in such areas. Now I I might. I put a link set or a Martin set Closer to those main use trails. But that's only because those sets are very fine buoyant visible like links links set off and has a big wing or a CD or some Christmas tinsel something very easily visible because cats are very visual or Martin Britain set an elevated. Martin said a Small Body Grip Trap or small foothold trap up in a tree or up in a poll. And then I'll put the more subdued sets behind those those are kind of a warning to other recreations. Hey decide trail. It's a trap and trail and I put up signs to let other people know there's a point at which you know I I avoid the main trails I don't make sets on The the main thoroughfares. There's I maintain the side trails. I keep them clear. I don't know how many times I've come across other people's tracks where they turned around at a tree and I cut that tree for your way and then they go use the area on the other side of that tree So really trying to make sure that. Oh you aren't Getting people or Unintended animals in traps. Then absolutely absolutely eh. That's the last thing any any trapper with a half a brain wants to do is catch a domestic and I've never heard of a person being trapped. That's one thing on social media. Eighty of people WANNA wave up in the air. What about the children? You could trap a child if your child is out there that unsupervised it's not my fault. There's there's something wrong way way before me and the only person the only people I hear about getting trapped are trappers when they trapped themselves setting their own on traps just the other day I smacked my fingers two or three times it. What kind of trap was it that you were using well? One was A links trap. I put a few high visibility links chops out early as I can to as notice to other people that might WanNa trap there that the area is occupied. I'd rather not catch links this early like. PJ was saying they're they're. They're not prime right now. The the Herald be longer and Whiter Several weeks month month and a half down the road but I do put a few links traps out this early and Martin trap take me. I was snapped by links trapping Martin trap when I was out. Set My line. Those are the links trap is a foothold that particular one was as a foothold trap. As well as the Martin trump. The only difference was the size. In the League's trap is considerably bigger than a little Martin Trout. Pj have you ever see yourself self and trump. Yes you subtract wolves and have a bunch of heavy duty Wolf Trap's net. Manning was an engineer that worked for the navy me up in the Northwest Arctic in he injured trap called the manning number nine was a wolf traffic needed one hundred sixty pounds to set it and I caught talk myself and Right on my thumb and about twenty below. That's when you drop your Wolf sets because you don't want the smell to go round. This cold weather eat the smell. Somehow but anyway I caught my thumb took a little while to get out and you know those kinds of things. Monica or elders in River River like to bicycle too. Mostly I would say if you're GONNA be dumb. You better be tough. Well that's interesting. We're talking about trapping today. If you WANNA get in on the conversation give us a call. The number is one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight temple So what are you. We're just about to go to a break but What do you trapping right now? Then right now I have sets out. That'll catch links. Lynx marten coyote and Fox and I did put a few wolf snares out. They typically. Don't come by me till later so I put them mm out now so that my smell from being there my tracks from being there will dissipate. I really hope I don't get one to walk into a snare now. I hope that walks. I can do it later when When there I better and you sell them I don't sell them? I catch so little for. I can't afford to sell them on the markets so I send him to a tannery and I so and I saw hats and Mitts and for trinkets and such. Oh interesting well. We'll talk more about that after the break and we'll take your calls if you WanNa get in. There's still time one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight. That's also one eight hundred nine nine native we're talking about trapping What was shared with you from your elders about using traps to catch animals call us and share one one eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight or you can send us a message on facebook and we also check our email at comments? 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Let's go to phones. We've got EVA in Guatemala. California tuned in on. Cagey You A. Hey there hi what do you think I wanted to know if He makes his own traps. And if not where where do they come from. Okay and I also have another question. Plus I'm thinking I'd like to say okay about California. Go ahead no. I'm asking him. Where does he make his own traps? And if not where do they come from right temple. You want to answer that question so I I don't make my own traps. I do make some of my own snares and Traps the new traps. I buy from From trapping supply houses. But there's often People here in town I buy used as well Mooney man. Up I make my own snares. I bite a material and Bassim than myself. The steel traps option the corner bears. There were commercially made from out of state interest. Being when the Legco I came around to the Athabasca of the Interior. Are you a lot of the trappers dismantle traps and they made Nijssen different different tools out of traps. 'cause everybody was so used to that fall so when the advent of traps and took a while for the baskin's to start start using the loopholes coming from the dead flaw but the Yukon Middle Yukon River. Pizza we're really good travelers. Who is a rich area? And that's where we get a lot of our traps APPs on this out of state right now even you had to come in for have another question to The tannery probably sales overseas as well. Right yeah I was curious about that to temple. You mentioned that you send it to a tannery yeah. I sent a tannery down in the lower forty-eight they do sell fers they have it on their website. I don't know the extent of their sales. I just know that I pay him for the real working detaining right and even your comment that Down here in California offers were decimated. And I don't know Oh you haven't mentioned otters but We're all used Sad that you trap down here in California. We had all of those once but not anymore. They have been decimated and severely endangered. So that's what I'd like to say about California. Okay thanks Ebba for giving us a call tuned in on K. G. U. A.. I WANNA add one more co Voice to the conversation joining us from Oden Odin Wisconsin is Dr Jonathan Gilbert. He's the director of biological services. Division of the Great Lakes Indian fish and Wildlife Commission. Welcome to native America Calling Jonathan. Hello thank you powder me yeah thanks Okay so you do some trapping as a biologist which is a little bit different from Our guests here tell us about that well. I'm not sure that it's so much different Why trap out? Well so let me just say I that I worked for the Ojibway people in Northern Wisconsin. I've been doing this work now for about thirty five years and So I know a great deal about their traditions and their way of managing trapping and harvest of natural resources. One of my other the jobs that I do though is Research on some of these animals and we heard earlier PJ talking about Martin's and that's one of my favorite animals to research coach and so In order for me to do my job well I need to catch these animals and then I'll put radio collars on them. So that's a little bit different than a fur trapper for trevor. Doesn't put radios the animal. But I think we both want the same thing. We want a healthy animal that You know that is in our traps and we don't WanNa mistreat them or treat them respectfully and The only difference is the for trapper will collect that animal that animal and use it in some way for its pelt or another reason And for me I just simply will well Immobilize it with some drugs and then put a radio on it and then release it. So I think We both use the same tools. I use traps of various sorts. Catch these Martins and Bob cats and fishers and other animals. I work with It's just that I'm I'm releasing them at the end of the day and the fur trapper is harvesting them. But I think we both use the same tools. We both have the same objectives. We don't WANNA try catch non targets targets. You WanNa make sure. These animals are not suffering in their traps until username message. And so I think in many ways my work as a research biologist For trappers the same thing is reading about this and it seems to me like the foothold traps seem to be Well can you explain how they work because It seems to me like the animals getting its foot caught and then It's intil you come to the trap line It's not you know it's suffering with that is that is that how they work Jonathan. So you have a A foothold trap is a kind of a trump we call a restraining traps and the other traps that. PJ was talking about these kind of traps. Those are killer traps so animal. We'll get into a kind of a by trap and it's going to die very quickly The foothold trap is a restraining trap. It's designed told the animal in place and So foothold traps are made specifically for that job and each trap. APP is designed for the species that it's going to catch and not all foothold shop so the same there's a lot of variation creation and And over the years some of my colleagues have tested these foothold traps so they go out and they set them And they're catching on them. All animals restrained and held in place and they would then collect that animal and nick crops here to see was there. Any damage caused this animal while it was being held in that trap and Some traps like I said Donald Trumps of the same do damage animals injure them. And that's not right. And so we would reject that kind of trap and not approve it in our in our testing but many other foothold traps simply. Hold the animal in place. I'm not sure that they're really suffering the they're they're not being injured. It's not cutting into their foot at all. They're just being held in place and waiting for that trapper to come by and so As I said we've tested many of these traps Many of them pass our assessments and so the animals are not being injured or not being damaged in any way. There's simply being held in place but it takes a skilled trapper right if somebody knows what they're doing to do this correctly to use the right tools to do their job and I'm sure that PJ and other trappers. In Alaska and around the country would agree with that that it it takes practice to do this trapping well and to make sure that your animals are treated nicely. Respectfully and I it's just not something thing that you can just go out and do first time ex practice skill learning Had set a trap so that you're not catching your non targets. Talked about that also. A lot of that depends on how you set that trap and where and how it's set up and you can avoid certain animals by setting you're trapped in a certain certain place or or in a certain way and so as I said this is a this a life long skill that people learn over the course of their lives and When they know how to do it and they do it well? It does not cause suffering for these animals. Minimizes the CAQ non targets. You know it's a IT'S A. It's a valid way to harvest resources earlier in the show. One of our gas mentioned Rabies and I was curious if you if there's a way need to know that the animal that you trapped has rabies or. Is there a possibility of like when you take the animal out of the trap of getting rabies yourself. Well so rabies disease that kind of progressive disease so an animal is. I infected with rabies. Then there's really hardly any way to tell You know you don't you don't really see that. But as that disease progresses in animal get sicker and sicker and sicker than there are. You can certainly tell by looking at the animal when they're in the advanced stages of rabies cautioned. Yeah you need to be careful. Not only about rabies but about other diseases and so we advise trappers to To take to take good care when they when they process there for Wear gloves you know. Don't do it with bare hands. That's where gloves if you get caught wash it and be careful with that. There are ways that you can minimize your exposure or susceptibility to ah kind of diseases that these animals may have including rabies. Can you take us through the kinds of regulations that are out there for trapping animals. Oh sure so just wanted to say something about this So we have regulations on the books right that are like rules written down and codes foods and stuff like that. So you have things like seasons When is the right season to trap or you might have A bag limit. How many can can you get or a quota that you know that you can't harvest more than a certain number of animals What kind of Bait did US How frequently you check your traps so these are things that are written down in the books but I think it was? PJ that was talking about kind of of the unwritten rules the ways that native people learn about trapping and then teach their children and grandchildren about trapping and many of the quote regulations are handed down word of mouth from generation to generation honoration. They're not really written down in a book anywhere but they are Rules quote unquote rules that that family or or that trapping Group may follow and these rules are then passed down from generation to generation very common in Ojibway way country for Regulations or how do I say it practices trapping practices. That'd be passed on from generation to generation. Those are the kind of rules. I think that that are meaningful to people. Of course they've gotta follow the rules in the books and such but it's it's this. My Dad taught me. This is how we track. That's an important rule and people remember that and and that's how the tradition is is passed on on. What happens when those rules aren't followed or like when someone traps out of season or You know in an area where they're not allowed to trap. Yeah that's the role of conservation. Wardens you know and their job is to enforce the rules and to make sure that the people that are participating in these activities Follow those rules and so you need to have conservation officers that are tuned into trapping As was mentioned earlier you know some of these traps are trap sets are pretty invisible to the Naive person and So you need to have conservation officers that know what they're doing know how to recognize legal traps and illegal traps But that's their job is to enforce these rules I think there is also kind of within the community structure There are more age right. There are kind of Customs the people follow and if somebody is out breaking one of these customs oftentimes. It's the community that says no no no no. Don't don't be doing it that way. Here's the proper way to do that. So in addition to this conservation officers that are enforcing the rules. I think it's also the trapping community themselves elves and especially in native communities those The family structure that is educating people. Have what is the right way to do things you know. We don't need a policeman always to tell us what's right and wrong you know mom and dad can do that too and I think in many native communities. That's the way that these rules girls who are forced. Pj have you ever had to pull somebody aside and have that conversation well not yet. We usually worked hard and I'm sure it's like that in every village here an interior. Everybody works hard and setting everybody straight. You know we don't want we're not there to battle adult system or to the conservation people the biologist God bless them for studying the animals and the rules of stay the rules a federal the unwritten rules from the native people of Alaska. You know it all blended together in you. Just go forward with that and you know we jump places you you almost have to marry a lawyer. Who just the high levels of Standard American English written into law forum? It's it gets complicated. What about you temple? I Now I haven't had to have any conversations nations like that with some people and and PJ's right The the the writing in the Regulation Book and and the actual statutes. You've got to have a lawyer in your pocket as well as as just it's it's pretty painful would. Would you still recommend that people who young people in particular who are interested in this get into it. Oh yes very much. So they sure they should. It will get them outside. It'll get them looking at nature. It'll get them away from social media and and the Electron IX and I'm guilty of the social the media too. I've spent way too many hours on their telling people why why they shouldn't be anti-trafficking but it doesn't get me anywhere. They need to get outside written and exercise and do stuff speaking of Social Media Davidson as a message on facebook. He said he grew up trapping with his uncle. Bill and he says those hours in the snow and the woods in his shack cleaning the animals. These were the foundation of my feeling of closeness to the Earth to nature. It helped me understand the interdependence of life and how humans are part of nature not masters of it. Well Oh that'll do it for our conversation on trapping today. Thank you so much to our guests who joined us. PJ Simon Dr. Jonathan Gilbert and Temple Dillard Dillard Join US tomorrow. We've got discussion about agrotourism in native America. And if you're interested in the shows that we have coming up you can sign up for our weekly newsletter at native America Calling Dot Com. We only send out one once a week. We promise you will not be getting a ton of emails in your inbox. WCHS NATIVE AMERICA CALLING DOT com. I'm senior producer. Monica brain you tomorrow. Yeah it ooh support by the intertribal. 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132: Stage 6 | Mora de Rubielos  Ares del Maestrat | Vuelta a Espaa 2019

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132: Stage 6 | Mora de Rubielos Ares del Maestrat | Vuelta a Espaa 2019

"You're listening so new to the cast of the vice nasution with rafa the fastest clothing in the world to the home. You've cycling right and watch with rafeh twenty nineteen a stay carter. If education i and kenya instruct stage six today addis convince myself wake as anticipated was incredibly difficult stuff to the station forty. I think it's one of those days whether the t._v. Just won't do this. Well we indeed that was our of wealth is spun you nick shoots and james knox summarizing briefly. The events of stage six of the welter is spun yet. We'll hit a lot more from and then later on in the podcast impart to but daniel it was a hectic day on the welter but here we are a little oasis of calm running water. I can hear trickling being away over there. The heat is finally fading out the day discount places it typical grand tour accommodation for you. Isn't it daniel. The sounds loaded. That sounds like a barbed comment. What do you mean i mean <hes>. We're we have a good kilometer and a half from civilization yeah kilometer in office office. What are you going to survive without you. Five gee my ball service but it was a really hectic day on the welter. A lot happened so let's summarize in the tale of the tapa first of all. It was staged seven from mortar. De rubio lost to del maestre is that correct daniel arrested in mice threat but it's we're in. We're in <hes> <hes> territory well. This often happens pain. Isn't it that you <hes> there are multiple names. Will you get like a spanish name. <hes> i so definitely like a spanish name for the finnish town on a different for name on the road but which i presume in lincoln we've come out of our going back into valencia right correct. The stage was two hundred kilometers long just <unk> out really long boy well to standard site and as i say an extremely eventful day the headlines are that hazrat harada succeeded where his brother and coffered his teammate you may jose fell short. Yesterday we have a new jersey and a big crashes taken out several big names. That was really hard. Start took the best part fifty kilometers for for the break of eleven to get clear the crash that took out red jersey hoda until yesterday evening nicholas roach and if education i rigoberta tehran and hugh coffee happened around halfway through the stage around in coffee abandoned immediately asked the c._c._c.'s victor party roach to get back on his bike but he had i just a few kilometers later so that was a real bad crash and some some hefty casualties of that crash i by that stage. The break had a healthy lead. They reached the pronouncement climate. I'm a twenty five kilometers to go skull grew may attacked and went over the top of the climb alone he roger middleton scott of course at this point any oh she's davick delacruz with the virtual red jersey but then there was a real kind of reshuffle mavi styles nelson olivera joined up with gray the front with about twenty to go and then finally finally they were caught on the climb by harare and dylan tunes who then drop them with a couple of kilometers to go it was interesting finish wasn't because harada who held the red jersey for a couple of days last year really go on an armchair ride to the finish from turns who had his eyes on the red jersey and not exactly how it panned out herodotou a two stage and turns took the red jersey but really by day for education i another coupla deride is came down in that crash along with iran and coffee and then to make matters says worst t._j. Vanguard drian who'd been in the break crashed on the descent so the welter is lost the righteous who fifth sixth and thirteenth overall morning dylan turns is a new leader thirty eighty eight seconds ahead of tula crews. Milonga lopez is now down in third but no material difference to his standing overall unless we think that turns turns or to la crews are going to be long term affects fastest clothing in the world tour the homeless cycle right and watch swith intern to nineteen as they partnered education. I thank you very much to rafeh rafeh sponsoring the stockton poke cost. If you want to vote for this week peddler ducharme in the foil to ice on your you can do so on our twitter feed now at cycling underscore podcasts. The nominations are mitch. Daca who took responsibility for the crash that brought down rigoberto iran the other daiei sergio <unk> guitar who pushed phil bow house up a climb apparently according to one of our listeners content jaregui who gave a young fan in a wheelchair a music and angouleme adapts over being generally charming but particularly in a press conference the other day the recipient of the award will get a peddler deschamp t shirt <hes> with richard will award on his arrival at the race this weekend so do get your votes in overnight on twitter now daniel. What did you make of the way the state panned out and the fact that <hes> we had this situation at the front where dylan turns found himself in the opposite position position to the one he was in the two of franz where of course he won stage on lap launched delfi riding with giulio chico trek sigfredo that day who stood to take the yellow yellow jersey this time he had his eyes on the race lead and was was pretty happy to let her out to take the stage yet twins <hes> a couple years ago he had a bit of an issue with finishing communities well even last year a couple of times in fairly big races when he was ami good position to win but we found when he was stronger faster than him and and this year eh these rectify that really had success on the defin- was the leader of that race for a few days for a couple of days surprised himself. I think i think finished sixth several <hes> and then he had his ex hyphen a._&_m. Yeah he looks like someone who's writing with well. He's finally located that sort. The confidence that coolness under pressure which allows people to to finish off opportunities like today. I was disappointed. <hes> the skull boo grandma the eh mitchelson scott didn't get win <hes>. I've got a real so saas both families. I am within three or four years ago and he told me his whole story. Ten siblings grew up in a two room house. He used to share a bedroom with these. Three zero. Share a bed with three sisters. <hes> they all sort of borrowed each other's clothes house he lives in a place called michaela was from a place kayla which weirdly has sam has always had quite big cycling culture in ethiopia and it's two two thousand two hundred meters above sea level but it's also is actually pretty close about an hour to drive from one the lowest places on earth with the donna kill desert the donna jonah killed depression which is is sort of qualified professors on the least hospitable places on earth on the hottest driest places on earth and he's got really interesting story <hes> roads i races on a marco pantani replica bianchi bike riders always smiling phase always delighted to talk to and and <hes> someone who after five or six years and the proposed already feels as though anything that comes his way now is a bonus that he's already made a much better life for himself for his family early on them just just love being racism and so it would have been nice to see him. Get the stage and it was it was a fantastic attack. <hes> really made he really made toy ins and and some really strong writers in that group behind what very hard to catch him and eventually nelson on evader well. He went early didn't he. It was a big big office created that for any rider anyone in that group would have thought twice perhaps about going that far out and they made a really good fist of it. When oliveira came up chrome they were still giving him turns. I mean it was it was still giving giving oliveira turns and then when twins came out really had no answer then he didn't give anyone any turns certainly didn't give them toi toi nhs anytime soon turns in in the wealthier towns in the world. There isn't a toy leans turns eight returns. He wasn't in the break time now. Let's hear from dylan tones who whose name is changing and evolving as podcasts goes on but he was talking the finish about his single-minded focus in how he had his eyes on that jersey from pretty early on well from before the install the state really because i came pretty close there then i started to realize that it's possible also saw get jobs in to and it was a goal in this <hes> and i did it yesterday. I was this appointment about nothing the break but i still kept going on the climb. We don't lose too much time and it was all about load my with three kids ago folk. I knew like three four minutes. Climbers like komo specialty. It's like the and belgium from then on just two guests with the hope that nobody would stay in the real but there was one guy who follow. It didn't want to pass me to make an done so i could takeover. I didn't have the punch anymore so everything for the jersey today also victory but in the end one guy was smart austin awesome. He's a good roy disney dylan tones and one of the people you would imagine we'll <hes> survive the <hes> the the coming changes at bahrain r._a. Marito enrolled ailing worth able to mold the team into something more in line with <hes> with with what he has a mind guess yeah real old school roger in the sense that lifts for his profession obscene infused with hoodies fees with him where he's talking about. He's you know he's never really been able to go out bandy bandy ever set foot in a nightclub and i spent a bit of a throwback really because <hes> you know you often get the sense <hes> with through do things like social media and internet <hes> the young generation of the current generation of pros and the post on all very very much connected to their peers connected to a lifestyle which they can't really afford to lead and some of them. I think doc maybe a bit of a battle with that. <hes> i think a lot of them can sort of turn on for a few months of the year that can be really disciplined but they do sort of feel pangs of wanting wanting to experience other things. Maybe thinks that they're friends at university or who have normal jobs are experiencing and but didn't tons you. You got the sense to <hes>. There's is none of that really <hes>. He's someone just lives. Rodney's by trains very hardened <hes> very much reconcile an extremely versatile as well remember at the start of the year he was in the winning move news but okay he didn't have an answer for the likes of steve van matt wellans sankoh finished ahead of him but just to be in that group at this first of march or very february which whichever it was racing over the kobus in the code and then winning lap lunch table fee and then taking the red jersey does he today. Let's not forget that hayes had order is no slouch he w- he went on to in june ahead of roman bar day in in in a race that didn't have a brilliant field but still he still had to climb up move onto quicker than rome about it was interesting <hes> speaking ahead on the finish from the outside. People might have thought that today was you know a a win for the underdog the of the all the big names in that group and the worst and nicknames and robot hastening dylan turns delacruz people with quite impressive paul morris might throw that had either was the underdog but tem he speaks like a mine hoof he feels he he very much belongs at the top of professional. He wasn't in any way giddy or in the same way they have my my was was yesterday you know talk about in terms of being the result of a lifetime something it was never going to be repeated and head out carries himself like a real team lead like a real real. Bulla toyota's got the red jersey but it could have been w delacruz who almost wasn't gonna ride this welter a very late <hes> selection change changed by team but he faded towards the end the other notable roger in that break. I thought was robert hasten coups making his comeback after really bad crash liaise bashing on liaise which ruled him out to france and i think he only came back to poland earlier this month so <hes> he's now moved up on g you see i'm not saying that that's <hes> you know strategically gonna make an awful lot different primoz welcome h because when when the attacks i went hastening didn't really you know i didn't really have an orange did he but he kind of waiting until later on games in places you know in the last couple of k. delacruz <hes> napalm <hes> well oh head out <hes> his brother just renewed their contracts that coffees. I understand the car. <hes> w delacruz is is going to <hes> is going to boost boosts. The spanish contingent <hes> coffers one. That's what her today latest rumor. I think it was well known the it's. He came into this sort of wanting to put himself in the shop window. <hes> having i think i'm a moved to maulvi. Star mooted moved mafia-style having broken down now. Doing some of that was what i heard today anyway that caucuses now the favorites favorites to learn dhabi delacruz shoot that i do cycling costs team car. The back of the tax lease sip p._k. The voice of radio tour at the two to france to remind us to tell you this episode of the cycling podcast is sponsored by roka which was founded in two thousand thirteen in a garage in austin texas with the mission to create create the world's finest iowa and six years thirty plus patents later roca athletes have won numerous world titles stages of the tour de france and until tonight also the red jersey on the ice on your because miguel lopez where rocca sunglasses as does this writer. I'm the don martin gorani riding waiting for your eighteen emirates. 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That's roca dot com slash welter and rocca spell off k._f._i. And if you place an order you can get twenty percents off your order with that link. I think we'll talk about the overall race in the final part of the podcast but before then let's hear again from our two divers who allows offset every night but they doing a fantastic job telling us what it's like to be in the peleton nick shoots his teammate gra may was up the road of course today both he and james knox reflected on just how hard the opening fifty kilometers or so of the stage work how we so as anticipated. I was incredibly difficult. Start to the stage. I why even hotter than probably most people thought from gum was full gas. <hes> i don't think the breakaway formed until about fifty k. in house and it was it was big battle <hes> from a team's perspective we've <hes> we have squabbling then which was really good and really great rock by him to actually get into that group so human myself actually actually the ones looking for those moves and i put myself into the red zone a little bit too soon on the first climb. I tried to thomas again in a couple of times and <hes> <hes> <hes> yeah off of that. I was pretty fraud so i have to just hot in the wheels <hes> and then scott mitchell carver and and <hes> do next to infiltrate infiltrate that group at the top of the the second of the day i think the group was only forty or fifty strong and an astonishing just kept the pace of high <hes> <hes> so i think there was a bit of panic behind but <hes> everything sort of regrouped amazingly considering how high the pace was <hes> and the the breakaway had another show with with <hes> the the rice in a situation like that dialect today and i when we're almost shore there's gonna be a breakaway with big numbers was going <hes>. It never hurts for any team really to have presence in there so that's why we were a little bit active. <hes> we weren't forcing any move spot. We certainly weren't gonna complain if we had someone in <hes> as it just keeps things a little less stressed <hes> but it certainly not the number one objective the team on days like today it just helps things so to stay calm and relaxed but the was <hes> glad to have not one behind us <hes> <hes> tomorrow's another hot day but at least we start on the flat pay nice knowing the wilton. It'll probably be <hes> blowing absolute hooghly and we'll have crosswinds to deal with won't could could be a com- stop but i'm not sure i haven't seen any forecasts yet so that's just to be the speculation but <hes> you never know he also of <hes>. I've been noticing a few <hes> <hes> questions coming through on twitter certainly on another episode <hes> or get round to answering a few of those. There's some some really good ones coming in so <hes> thanks and <hes> checked well. That's another day down hard. One one first climbs all out things. Only two guys left bush. I think is one of those days where the the t._v. will do this. I was trying to get in the move full well at some things early on and then sued like a dog just to hold the wheels on the on the climbs at the start and there was so many moves so many people go in and go in and then eventually eventually after after the center of the second climb move went and that was it but i think there's only four guys left in the fruit and astonish at the pace it looked like they were worried about delacruz at the roads and also they were the only team i think had a full team <hes> at that moment so they just kept going hard final group on the road. Never calls buckle ecole day made the point of it was i think the only columba's into the race did <hes> the second group of eighty guys touched on so yeah really one of those days where mm-hmm deceptively hard probably shooting in for the old t._v. Original light much of a contentious breaks lighten away and butch take an easy behind yeah. No promessi wasn't no big crashes well on <hes> one of the dissents <hes> i was pretty lucky and it was on a fast let left-hander on one of the sense i was outside book a solve soaring commend looking through the corner managed to like like taco burly guys plowing into this big crush on the ryan side of the road with the bar is still so yet. I wasn't very nice seeing some friends on the ground hugh coffees all the race and i was a bit south simcoe always touch with him in the race. I think he's broken collarbone so we'll actually still still in those hills outside of valencia. I like to know where i am. Actually a drop a pin in every hotel we stay in did not not for this is google maps. I've got nice slow every time i will give them. All these kittens dropped all around europe of different places where bin and raced say finishes and hotels and different things like that so yeah. It's nice solve been like seeing a bit of <hes> the wolves on my bike <hes> even though don't appreciate simos well actually quite nice roads today and <hes> all day just down. It makes a very nice race in book. I'm sure if you here as a tourist a good foot still playing a funny game as well in the g see. I'm not really sure what oh my actual ideas. I followed on the less climbed incompletely so trying to not go all in kill myself but it wasn't cheap komo civility. The last couple of k. got really really well. This stepped on the gas and <hes> yes actually two days in a row now. The mom and dad's been been stood at the exact point. I get dropped so yesterday was like couple of canes of the climate. Today was at k. to go the now the managing. This sunday exactly has dropped <hes>. Maybe they can send a low close to the finish line from now on <hes> thoughts. I was going to work twenty v acquai- out at like six minutes down still really the main on mission is in gaining the break. I will plenty of slide in room now to try and get the roads though think it'll be too worried about me so thinking it'd be quite nice. You know jump up if the right right dangle the right legs go the road. Get one of those breaks where the butcher's karen quite left to to be jim bola wave on like if you guys today but yeah no actually the plan was again. I'm a bit disappointed. I couldn't get in it. Allow spent quite low of pennies trying to jump in a few things and then when it went it was yeah it was gone so some hey with stanek animate. What did you think today we did. Not you're gonna come back after those first couple of climbs as far as i was really suffering so hard on the first two climbs <hes> let's <hes> one of the days that you wish she will have a good day and <hes> yeah. I wasn't really sure if he will come back but it was really big group. <hes> <hes> we were. They were quite well cooperating together. We are always behind like around one and hall of two minutes. I was hoping that we can come back. I think the first group the breakaway. We'll even not that far away saw it could still happen lots of things but <hes> then after one hundred case we get back by the end of breakaway will already <hes> around one and maybe two minutes away okay today yeah that was a great line from james knox about his parents standing in the exact place that he's got dropped the last couple of days and imploring them to stand dan near the finish. Maybe they need to get onto google maps and checkout mastella kosta where where the finish is tomorrow and and just get themselves up there and also james knox saying that he he puts a pain in his google maps every hotel every kind of stage finished so he's got a record <hes> something that probably reuters from sort of even ten years ago couldn't have done that but now that's the technology exists to really build up a digital database of <hes> every every decent hotel every every stage finish picking holiday destinations and stuff such like for the rest of his life. I was talking to someone today about. I'm a hype up on rider because because i had this story a few weeks ago and i'm pretty sure it's almost again <hes> he has a vast collection of rhode books of all the races done a thing certainly older ground tools he's done and he is a great fantastic so far too graphic memory or <hes> the mental photograph is of wrote books and <hes> and if he feels he sends his a stage he's about to do and he's about to maybe get into a breakaway in <hes> is like something something he's done before then you'll call up his wife back in belgium and you'll get to dig one of the old weather the relevant road book out of the arctic and and get it to talking through to uh the map and the animation pro. I think once again it's all he's a terrible terrible faux pas if it's not then somebody else one of the other cyclists another. I did as well thomas again. This is some something that thomas to get definitely doesn't do is have a massage after the stage and the subject subject of massage and the job of the swan years is going to be the subject of tomorrow's kilometer zero so listen out for that and that will be out in the morning but yeah all the well certainly a maybe not unique but very much in a minority a tiny minority doesn't have a methodology after any race silence two zero massage one close to here. I want the job of this one years who happened to do sports massage podcast arabian cheapens since i've been making regular parents his cheap about sports massage. They lost our. I didn't know that you thought you know all the time. I've been covering cycling. No massage lost in what you mean. They lost an hour. Everyone everyone's doesn't lost exactly the same time forty forty five minutes to an hour on average. Maybe well yeah oh blimey. I mean at least listen to the episode before splitting hairs down your anyway that will be out tomorrow morning and we'll hear more from nick shorts and james knox tomorrow as well. The second podcast is supported reported by science and sport science in sport fueled by science <music>. Thank you very much to science and sport regular sponsors of the sunken podcast for many years now and we're very grateful for that. If you want want to purchase any of the songs import products from science board dot com you can get twenty five percent off with the code s i s c p twenty five and if you're going to the summit team sport website light which you saw in singapore dot com you might want to check how the series of videos with team any australia is called bonking tiles in which they talk about the <hes> well the the that that the dreaded bone which is running out of energy to getting their fuelling strategy wrong. You can learn how to fuel smartly by learning the pros. Have you ever run of energy dramatically daniel. He's having to be locks. Were used to eat radio on the on the budget on an sending nephews to drink that pantani was like a camel just carried away but bonking well. I'm gonna go with me for talking about math on your phone king in all seriousness. I'm trying to be serious. <hes> it would actually be a good a very serious something. I think is something this kind of disappearing hearing from professional cycling. What i think is because of the well hey from this one years. You know the way they make up the music and make sure on hot days the the nutrition strategies all tailored for the weather conditions. I you know they got so much more information available and they've got the products which are effectively concentrated so <hes> <hes> reuters can consume everything that i need in in relatively small quantities of stuff. That's the whole point of these products. Isn't it best bunk. You can remember from professionals talking from your own second career. I had some. I've had some terrible i do. Remember the only time we've ever been cycling together daniel you you blew up spectacularly and stopped a little corner shop in an empty the place out of chocolate bars. I remember that that's probably the last time i ate chocolate and i was about two thousand and four. I was glue recently than not but yeah you you were struggling. Went you off to sort of three or four hours to donate on by anyway. I'm top bunk. As far as i'm concerned and cadel evans in two thousand and two zero is probably the most memorable one for me. While i was also chris rooms nearby on air in the tour de france where he wanted take it bottle in the last twenty kilometers of the mountain stage and it was outdo as wasn't it. That's right well. He would have taken a time penalty had he done that so team. Team sky having white up all of the all of the circumstances and crunch the numbers decided that it would be smarter richie porte his teammates take the bucknell in handy over and <hes> that meant that from avoided a fine did today give them a time penalty anyway. I can't remember to check not think he'd be a time penalty. It's interesting trusting. You know we we sort of that gets bit okram. Stop talking about bunking but just linguistically am how each how each language retreats that phenomenon element of food energy by conga conga in french crazy manchester hunger crisis and <hes> and similar in spanish down as coach pasta knowing the in spain account have dinner until help us knowing the earliest. I'm in danger of having a <hes> offering gallo or or a really difficult bunk. There was no danger of you. Bonking last night was oh for heaven's sake uh-huh there wasn't we had trump dinner last night which was really really good and <hes> the the the truffles as you described them not not as woody i oh i didn't think and not very subtle flavor really delicate almost like panelists when shaved sometimes even even the the more common or certainly the the trump was i've eaten before the trouble even when shave they have woody qualitative but we had a poached egg which some very delicately shave truffle kim weight followed by at cauliflower puree with some truffle followed by a very very nicely cooked medallion pork with some truffle and at one point in the meal i think at the start of the one of these truffles was produced wasn't the end and put in front of his on the table and it was quite impressive. It's about the size of a softball bigger than it was bigger than a cricket ball. Wasn't it blacking normally very niche reference a softball or size four football yeah it was like a small cauliflower but black and similar kind of shape. Nobody was on a anywhere that's enough. That's enough of the truffles overall. We didn't learn a great deal. Today we miguel anger lopez. He's out of the red jersey but might very well be back in it again this time tomorrow. The finish said yesterday about today's today's finished i was i was under the impression it had steep ramps in it and that wrong tomorrow which is significant master kosta racist being there before yeah yeah when three years ago <hes> and it's a typically goatee well to climb by gotomeeting obscenely steep. I'm on the surface is also a bit dicey. It's one of those kind of concrete roses being laid in slobs <hes>. I'm not actually sure why the road was was made <hes> in the first place am someone told me interesting today that there's some kind of rastafari communism up their loss time the the guys the jealousy went up that last last time he could sit badly while they barely made it down with some sort of weed smoke swirling around yeah i think may i enjoyed themselves in ways that they had an envisaged and but this really intriguing because it seems quite congress is long way from the coast l. fairway from the coast and you know we've seen last a couple of days napalm how remote these these areas of spain are since you've got a lot and so am i didn't plan to go to the top tomorrow because of the team bus parts of the bottom. We're probably going to do in shoes but i changed my mind. Bone king weed smoking dear me. We're going to have to put some kind of <hes> explicit language warning on this podcast we haven't even mentioned superman and the way let's go gosh what a what a segue well we do know obviously that rigoberto around his out <hes> and although he was already a little bit bashed up after his crash a couple of days ago so wasn't entirely sure how he would go overall shaping up at the moment to be a battle between megan ango lopez of astana and primos rogue of visa <hes> this morning. I grabbed a quick word with addy. The angles who was the sports director the jared italian of course and and roku she's challenging. The jiro con came on don didn't it on the day when dan he had mechanical problems and had two bikes because the team with teammate because a team call was nowhere to be seen because yon bovina nadia angles at stopped to onto the court of nature and they got a lot of criticism for that but there's definitely a sense here that the the whole team lineup for your visa has got a lot lot more strength in depth even taking into account the loss of steven krause for like <hes> on in the race. How do you assess yesterday because set couse was writing extremely strong liam a._m. Premium throw glitch reacted when he had to. We look back to yesterday. <hes> i was a really good day in the end. It was a bit of a strange state of course where we expected to big fight for the break. Then the fight wasn't that big only three guys left and then you expect it in the end it will be closed down but yeah there was like a lot of hesitation in the bunch even at the beginning of the last line but then when it started to explode think it looked really good. I also be -cation news. Abolish even tony martin was able to do as part on the climb and then afterwards lewitt's when it really exploded <hes> pretty much ready to be and sep was <hes> was better than expected. I mean <hes>. I support rider to finish finished. Close was was really strong off to the jira where rogue lich was so good so early and then just seem to fade in the last week that this welter is a different around the final week isn't quite so hard. It may be more important to be good in the middle. I think in the grant to you have to be good for three weeks and although maybe maybe i agree with you till a certain moment that i think the hottest spot this is around the middle but last last week in grunter is is always this heart and then other things also start to count so in the end. I think <hes> yeah it's it. It will never be decided before madrid and the other difference to the cheeto is stat before the show of course pre had a quite a big campaign very successful campaign of course to romandie so he when he started the jewelry was really it was really. It's really dope on the other hand. He also made a big gap in the first part of the juno so we can look at it from different angles. It's it's also not not important now the difference now is that that that after more or less after jiro we he didn't race he only the nationals and <hes> yeah he prepared really well so i thank what he showed now in this first days after having not having a race for so long it's it it looks. It looks good. It looks promising unhappy as a team and sports director. You learn anything from the jiro that might help here and we always learn. We always learn every day when you lose when when you win. There's always things you can learn. It's very difficult to say okay. That's the thing if we changed that then. It's difference so it's a lot of things together. You know. It doesn't work like that. Not it just one thing so that was playing up the performance of set koos who was exceptional if i can if i can torture the english language enough to say that tony martin today was pretty bashed up in that crash and lost the back panels of his a short signed <hes> that look pretty raw as he came over the line but it's not being a seamless first week for him by visa but it's been a good first week. It has <hes> napalm and i think it's been pretty obvious to everyone that steps curses has stepped up since the jiro i am i was actually watching the state of utah lost. We can always as always does. It really struck me how different racing the u._s. is and it was <hes> interview saw that was really set his big breakthrough. Rates in the states wasn't that way he was by far the best climate but and the roads the u._s. races germany type replace on so incredibly wide competitive. The race is on the right to see here in europe. I'm really takes positioning out of the equation and you know as we see in every wrigley hilly day in the <hes> in my genitals and major racism the so much energy expended just in getting the right position tunes getting teammates in the right position <hes> on about someone who's probably second step because awhile to deal with him and he's certainly we certainly have the engine <hes> and so he's been good. <hes> george is is very solid and consistent and i think <hes> team leaders can always count on him in the mountains. I mean they've got hastening because well hastings experience since he didn't look as always on a great day today that break but you'd think he'd be valuable to. I'm so curious about him. Being in that break he's got the sense that this is an of a chance to kind of ride himself back in and you know maybe we'll we'll discover we'll step level by putting himself in in and you know basically giving himself a hard day rather than just not that it was easy in the bunch as we've heard from <hes> both nick shorts james knocks it sounded like really hard day right from northbound about just to get up the road and give yourself a bit of confidence having not really been at the pointy end of anything's for quite a while now yeah that could be the case <hes> it was also possibly one of those days when ever knew a break would go but no one knew exactly when it will go and who had been there and may be that he found himself up to the front of the race and <hes> and to seize the opportunity <hes> that was that <hes> i suppose you might think well you know why they why they sent him up the road when he needs to save energy before you know mountain stage is coming. I don't think necessarily have to to tomorrow. Sunny loss climb. He's he's not one word. Teammates will be terribly useful and then we've got a relatively flat stage into catalunia and then the big stage indoor which is way certainly will be. I think kafer primoz wrocklage but that's very short stage in. It's it's a few days away well just before we go. Daniel walks going to happen tomorrow. Is it going to be a full on battle on that phone who climb. I think they'll definitely be in time. Got we saw. I think we've seen narcan tana win. <hes> state of the of what the valenciana jonah ray can very convincing the same <hes> final climb in two thousand sixteen the world time gaps not huge time gaps but <hes> i it certainly what steep enough to hurt the g. c. contenders and i think the superman will see as another opportunity to gain some time <hes> and and i will always kind of intrigued by movie stars tactics today. I thought it was an ideal opportunity for for them. When the gap was holding when when the break had gone and got was holding around three minutes am i thought that was the time for them to relieve a stauner some of the pacemaking making g._t.'s and and take the chance to set up a lounger verde on what was going to be a perfect well. It looks as though it was going to be a perfect finish for him and because you know he's he's high him. He's on the general classification at the moment because made no qualms about the fact. They didn't think they can win the race. <hes> he was mainly mainly here to win stages ages so i thought that was you know they're rarely get an opportunity and that's better than today's. I wonder valverde thinks cantona can win the race as well because i mean he didn't really do anything to help on yesterday and well. We'll we'll have to see how it plays out but certainly i in in kind of level pegging with one another. They've they've handed. The initiative to lopez enrolled at this stage h._b._o. Long way to go. I mean yesterday. That was me thinking. Lopez was going to be in red on the way to madrid you know didn't necessarily no. I didn't say it ah look like one of those moves where just ghosting back into into the red jersey <hes> and and he build from there but now well he's not in tomorrow is not that you he's gonna worry too much about tones or delacruz. You wouldn't have thought but who knows maybe crews. He's gonna he's gonna. I mean he's not gonna win a grand tour but he might with any else. Yeah can't see him to be honest. Being shakeup is another thing he thinks helping the top five when we get to madrid but i i think napalm generally speaking <hes> just i've lost twenty four hours. It's been amazing game again. How people <hes> have been enjoying conclusions from yesterday. States eighteen declaring the rights all my stove <hes> it should be banned. It should be any speculation about the outcome and we've done it and we've been dosing slightly after until day. Ten handed should be it should be banned. <hes> we did it in the jira was rogue late. Show people that you're with rogue elephant. I told you about a very bad. That's all i had with people i kind of went the other way and went too far the other way i had spats with people that he wasn't even going to fit in top ten <hes> but there are a lot of people who are convinced you know who talking after stage ten as they will you know it was a done deal when alpha never finished in the top twenty at grand told before he had it sewn up so well. I'm i completely. I agree with you but i i'll go suck it in a bit yesterday just because i figured lopez well he's. He's a good enough climber and he's been on the podium. You know in two grand tours it was in the same season which why not you can't really say that. Two third places equals one win but it does feel like his time and i i think he's got more about him on the climbs and rogue late she's he's. He's a bit more punchy. A bit more explosive rogue lich has the advantage in the time trial and i think also just in in that sense offensive <hes> you know grinding people down but lopez's in a very strongest on itunes is all over and super. It's in the bag railway. We're on. We're on this well. Let's let's say goodbye for the evening and let's think some of our friends at the podcast for supporting us all year round and your decision to sign up to the cost is much appreciate it. Hopefully we deliver some episodes that you really enjoy as well in exchange for your fifteen pounds or or maybe be more is what you would like to contribute but a big thank you from me to david edward simon lockwood peter hi kofsky komo benjamin mark wait cling kevin mitch and chris read don don paolo the set pont be mantell. I guess he's breathing you. <hes> cheese pizza clusky neo baker. Tom booker pete wilson on robin. Peres tomahawk hok. Thank you very much tom. Whether it's hawk or hawk let us know on twitter cycling underscore podcast well daniel. Thank you very much. I will see you tomorrow tomorrow for the third in this kind of trilogy of tricky stage. You didn't have before a little on saturday. Yes eh a.

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Episode 428 - The Apocalypse Series (1998-2001)

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Episode 428 - The Apocalypse Series (1998-2001)

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We we are receiving reports from all over the world people simply vanishing into the anti christ as i am that i can and struggling you can tell your god if you have something to say to me knows where i live showing survived the great to finish for your cloud choose proudly presents the groundbreaking groundbreaking drama apocalypse well and light show on six continents apocalypse called outstanding and sold winning and the soundtrack featuring some of today's finest christian artists is praised as exceptional. Don't miss the movie that started apocalypse in the welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host. Mike white join me is ms jennifer hand orf. Hello you also joining us mr dan martin. I'm the one with a head injury and i'm beginning to think the whole world's go match this week. We are covering a quartet films made between one thousand nine hundred ninety eight and two thousand one caught in the eye of the storm revelation tribulation and judgement. They're a little similar miller to the left behind books and films though without the star power of nicholas cage or kirk cameron we will be spoiling these films in so much as they can be spoiled also get your mark of the beast don and get ready for a very sacrilegious discussion so dan was this your first experience with what people call rapture her films yeah. I've been aware of them but i hadn't chosen to get involved up until this point and what you think they went on a journey. Uh on the films they went from big morally objectionable to just big level of a very very bad t._v. Movie how about you jen well. I grew up in the american south south. So many of these films were available at my local library so no it was definitely not my first experience with them. I experience in a while certainly though and <hes> it was it was it was a little bit overwhelming. I'll be perfectly on. I have some sort of weird sick fascination with these films homes and i don't know why that is. I think it's because so many of them in there are dozens and dozens of these movies in i don't know if people are aware era of just how deep and wide the breadth of this genre if wing college genre sub-genre. Maybe i mean because it's post apocalyptic optic kind of and but it's like they all follow the same story beats. It's really weird like watching this movie. The first one caught in the eye of the storm aka. Eh apocalypse because apocalypse is the onscreen title and then caught in the ad apparently seems to be the title song which i don't get. Are we going to talk about the all the music like i moved six thousand miles to get away from bali written christian rock <unk> end and yet it found me. There's a lot of original music in these things if you want to use the word original what seems to be the demo since track of some keyboard bulldozes fila just just anybody playing ever the last week was a._m. The nastier they bought down at the asian guy b._c. Sound mukasey. I it reminds me of almost like the scifi channel movies where it's like you know banana kanda the the banana that became a main eating snake versus shark to pus or something. It's just like they all so follow. The same story beats and it's an i don't know where the story comes from. I think from like thief in the night series back in the seventies but like as far as actually tracing it back to like a real thing in the bible yup good luck. I'm not really seeing that kind of stuff. It's really bizarre. It's like they come up with a story. In the they all tell the same story just in different ways i would say that if if if anyone is to treat the bible as a historical document student it is not the makers of these is interesting because they vacillate dramatically between being literalist to the extent that like they refer to scholarly direct correct interpretations of the bible done through like a legal mind in the late eighteen hundreds mid eighteen hundreds by the end of the franchise to just making it up. I think it's obviously these are the only four i've seen but they all have the same arc which is essentially a hollywood structure tall a person with an emotional deficit going through various events <hes> surround them making choices that lead to them overcoming that deficit in some way normally the deficit is like sam neill cades interesting because something like that but in this it's being an atheist every single time every movie is which one of these axes is going to be the one that finds god by the beginning of the third act and then in this case they've just sort of you know then sort of semi solidify post-apocalyptic join the dots sir of the christian platitudes and all they can win because they're rushing both sides you look back in the script. You can see the pages where there was only one tab was. We're hearing in this first. One apocalypse caught the eye of the storm. It's the real barrier to entry because this is the lowest was budget looking one. It looks like it was shot on video and it man. It is fucking rough. This is a rough watch seem to only shoot about like ten percent of the actual footage in the rest of it is culled from relative tyson appropriate mean stock footage of rail dissolve had the nicest thing. I could possibly say about this film. Is that that it's it's in. It's finest moments leni riefenstahl adjacent. It's just it's oh my god the propaganda of it like it was again having grown up somewhere where you know a lot of i grew up with a lot of people who would would say they would love these films. I hope that doesn't make them into hugh badly alight but it just yeah it felt it felt like something that you might get tied to a chair. L a clockwork orange and made to watch when you were when you were at one of these you know one of these christian concentration camps. They were forced to go to oh my lord. I can't believe they call them that the first movie levy stance by sort of barring the first act and start of countdown to look gloss from nineteen ninety-four in that it's a fake news broadcast extensively and it's only when it breaks away from when we see the news readers living their lives sort of in between the the knees satan's that you that it becomes an i-it's tom very generously the narrative film yeah. There's another one called special bulletin. That is very similar. I kept thinking of that one as well and yeah it's just like the improbably glibly named a brunson pearl who was the man of the year according to time i love they must have ties ties trusted man in an hour yeah because later on in the fourth movie they've got a different time magazine cover in and helen our other main characters on that. I'm just like what is up. Why is time focusing these w._f._a._n. Reporters so much. I just like the idea that the entire staff at time ungodly so they're able to continue publishing without missing issue no one raptured in the office the i in fact the only people that are all the janitorial stealth his because given the state the world and the third one anyone cleaned anything options are main characters are brunson pearl and helen hannah and it's basically really kind of their struggle and bronson's away for that to what the first half of the film he's over in israel and then you've got these guys. There's the in israeli general who has just one of the best accents i've ever seen. It's like they just took this guy from central casting just like can you do in israel. The accent will can you deal. You're mexican accent. Can you do some kind of vaguely ethnic accent some sort of god it. There is no other safe place for the ju- all that forever we have gone for two thousand years. We have been hinted and now they want to do it to us again. Only tiny sliver nine in an innings. He's out existence. They cannot hold north of people who can hope for a better day this guy. I do sympathize with you. Gentlemen is not just nations. We are talking about here. Where's that bronson quinlivan thirty six. I'm pretty sure they could be sure that their audience had never heard an actual aura laura. We'll central full ethnic. Do you know tony montana in scarface just kind of around there and they are both reporters at w._f._a._n. And the world news news network which i don't know what their policy is but they like to broadcast in english in any country who so like when they're showing these big screens in hong kong and china i'm just like i don't think this is going to go over too. Well but you guys do your own thing. The massive billboards seemed to be sort of a part of macaluso is the big plan. They form the lynch pin of his stage one before the headsets get bust out and launch announcement for the heat peter v._r. Headset but it's also i think i think this is one of the first points one of many points of many points that the the film really calls calls out its own target audiences bubble like the there's so much of this film that only takes place in a world that for lack of a better analogy. Oh gee amid western christian twenty five year old can imagine sort of in the in the densest sort of diminutive fashion it the you know the idea that who would think that in another in another country you would need the sign to speak any other language other than english. It's sort of reject. This absence of you know inter-nationality inter-nationality really. It's people that don't see the value in owning a boss boot. There's lots of things it doesn't address about the rapture which you know find whatever but we never have any you mentioned there will be no mention of muslims in these films there will be no mentions of of jews jews physical okay and the first one okay. There's there's there's a k. I stand corrected but then but then equally i mean that's one of the big things there's small things like again. I'm very concerned about whoever is taking care of all these christian dogs that were left behind yeah. I would have liked a lot more like white. King wild dogs streets. They'll be christian dogs. I want to know what happens to the clothing industry. After this this i mean it must just completely shut down because as these people get raptured i know we're jumping ahead a little bit but when they get raptured they leave their nicely folded close everywhere aware but often with the shoes on top which ruins yeah right even in caskets they leave their nicely folded close. If you want you you have a favorite loved one who had a really suit. It's probably split up the back in order to fit on the corpse little better but dig away dig away god tidy if there's nothing you know if there's nothing else god what is tidy and that's what these films are saying so yeah you mentioned president macaluso and this is president franco macaluso who i thought was was the president of the united states first and then eventually we find out that he's the president of i guess the e._u. Starts off as the u._n. But they retitled presumably because of a test let them from the lawyers in episode three but i like it because the united nations is always the sort of like dr strangelove esque you you know coming together to fight. Whatever evils attack like isn't it isn't it the united nations in in the day the earth stood still the that comes together to talk to the aliens some some of this kind of stuff so i'd like to as a bit of a it's it's that sort of classic nineteen fifties paranoia bad guy. The united nations will because it kind of stems for world unity that is goes against everything that the american bible belt selection is kinda believes. I'm still reeling from the fact that i feel like one of the general messages suggests from these films is that if the entirety of humanity will were to come together and think of peace that would be bad that free. I'm still on well. What is your it's. It's bind because it's piece in the same way that you get. If you just murder everyone who isn't your friends and then there's like six of you and you don't fight which which seems seems to be like the basic tenets of christianity for many santo yeah one of one of the big problems with this entire franchise is that at any given time when they point out something bad's that macaluso is doing enlarge the christians have done it or has been condoned in one of the testaments yeah this whole america first policy. It really is. Just you know against this idea of there. Being this globalist community were so afraid of oh my god being part of a larger world out there so like let's cut ourselves off. I suppose brexit might be a little bit like that as well absolutely this. I'm richard. It's well. It's it's this idea of creating divisions visions were there are no divisions which to some extent taking that back to the films as well. There's this idea in the sales pitch for these films that they are to help convert people. I don't think they are in the slightest. I think there to feed back into the feedback loop of information the the people who buy these films kind of sit in a community of and it's it's of the people and oh my god so very much the coffers of people make him i have never seen a more cynical franchise ange and that in a world of dc and marvel and everything else there has never been a more cynical franchise than than the apocalypse quartet. Here's an interesting tidbit if you go to the i._m._d._b. Bb pages of the writers they describe how well the film sold but not how many people they converted so i will just put that out there as the as the underlying belief but you you spoke to some of this homemakers at one point i did i spoke to the director of the second third and fourth film who also worked with <hes> <hes> you mentioned the producers. It's peter paul the line these brothers from canada and is good legal name. Oh yeah they had a real cottage industry of making can these moves they still do actually didn't the loans did the left behind move is do they know they did and i think it feels to me like this movie really just kind of lifts a lot of left behind like let's try to get as close as we can and let's eliminate the airline pilot plot and just focusing on the news reporter plot what i'm trying to remember. I think it was like i can't remember if the reporter was rafer steal or if that was the pilot but raeford steel bronson pearl really feel like they're being cut from the same cloth and i feel like this is our test run for the left behind series it does in many ways feel like they sort of stumbled on this formula that that performed it and then just really milked it. Doesn't it doesn't feel like there's a you know. It doesn't feel like the first one leaves you on a cliffhanger and says oh what's going to happen next. It feels like they a they turned ways to find a way to drag this into a long series of them calling the wrap-up but if there's anything that finds of religious doctrine like it's having the same thing repeated great to have you read the new testament he's coming again. I mean come on mathew mark luke and john. It's just basically the same story retold four times and it's just it's a well and again just the way that that the text of the bible roybal simultaneously referred to as a historic document and then like like just badly quoted were misrepresented as taxed this just sort of <hes>. It's it's i'm not clear i'm not clear on whether the i think the mystery is how much to the filmmakers actually believe because i think it's very easy from the financial side good to see the the cynical approach to this and and just like i mean to be honest to reminds me a lot of of the low budget horror film movement or even. We've got a sort of genre in the u._k. That's like the cotton wanker genre which is all these sort of football hooligan movies and they're purely cynical and we can accept those is purely cynical because of the genera is in the end the tenants in the blood and the violence and this but what happens when you get faith-based movies that are only being made for cynical reasons but obviously ashley the content is meant to be inherently nonsensical so how do we how do we justify that. How does that work. I think the difference between that an low-budget hora a. and company one hundred films is there are good examples of low budget horror and company wanka films and i'm yet to be told that there is a <hes> an example of good the christian movie i. I don't know why you're on admission. You've just watched these four. So i think the no good they hope the opposite of goods i would to use the terminology remain a bit more agnostic about whether or not one could be good. I think i think it's it's the moral quandary. I don't think it's about the quality of the thing is the moral quandary they're all. There is one well written line in awful phones and it's a number three. Shall we wait for that. Yeah we'll wait for. Do all of these films are platform to inject you talked about the stock footage but the other part that they just lift from holy is all of these ready ready made religious tapes that they have and of <hes> jack van kampen rick sullivan amp and <hes> there's at least one other guy that they constantly go back to and and it just like okay. It's it's not stock footage but as just the easy way and it's like oh well we have these tapes. These ready made rapture tapes so let's go ahead and do this and then they even those are all cut together and they just little pull little bits and snippets and they'll be like okay yeah. This is the message. This is the message we need to get out. I mean by the time we hit the second film. It's all about hijacking the the satellite transmissions and being able to broadcast these van tapes given the volume or actually a production campa volume ministers <unk> that is literally now a word from our sponsors when they cut and it's the same the same evangelical footage fulfilled uh-huh. There's a few new bits here on that route but the the stupidest eva speech just comes back in every movie well this is this is where i'm going to take my producer brain rain and go back into being massively financially cynical and it's <hes> you know we don't get we don't get the star power of the likes of howie mandel mr t. until the later her films so they're they're catering to their audience with these tapes. Those televangelists have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of listeners reform lowers and so if you put them in films like this is exactly the same as putting you know star power and inputting the cajun or something like that as they later not being purely cynical here if you if if you look at their i love it. The production companies are production and marketing companies. Every single one of themselves describes themselves as a production and marketing company which alarms made its core one of the ways that they sell these films is that they will send a copy to like local ministers and then have them recommend it to their parishes very much in that same way they're using these co sponsors who are either financially sponsoring the film <unk> or sponsoring it through their you know their their endorsement just as dan says now's award from our sponsors so it's just as much about i again i i would say that the content of what they're saying is less important than getting their faces faces in it if that makes sense though their faces are quite a bit i mean there's one whole section where helen just sits there and watches tape after tape after tape and makes all these notes so that she can go back to bronson. It'd be like listen. This is what's really going on like. She's the only one that knows the truth. After the rapture happens well and later are there so interesting that a blind woman actually sits and watches them for several minutes as it reason for us to all and headphones on playing music assoc- called even here. I love the dizzying logic of these films. It's absolutely spectacular yeah so we've got the rapture that eventually happens and then that always makes me question the morality in the goodness of everybody else in the film. It's like okay if you guys didn't get raptured. What's going on you know. What was your immoral flaw like. I can understand bronson's and helen's may be but everybody else who purports to be a good character. I'm just like so. Why are you still here. This is why i think in general discussed this a lot over the last week because i will. We've been watching these. This is where i feel that there is a certain amount of conversion version intent in these pictures because i think they're saying look you can be a good christian. You can be a good person but you need to believe in this specific thing otherwise otherwise. It's not enough like literally allying later where one of the characters says <hes> going to church makes you a good christian than going into a pet store makes you a cat which obviously is stupid because you can't buy christians in church but more anymore but they but like literally saying hey viewers you'll watching this. You're into whether it's you know your big. Five cobham. Bunsen <unk> list's but what's really important is that you need to help your game. You need to believe in the rapture and that only as a child will you enter the kingdom of heaven without pure innocence yeah. It's it's one of those like major calories about being a christian versus being a good christian and it's the it's the notion that you can't just say you're christian or go through emotions. You have to endure heart truly accept god which you know. There's no litmus test for so again. It's one of these sort of vagaries stories that that can just sit there and be open and you know it's the is the kingdom of god banged carrot and the on tangible ineffable requirement government to get in is the idea that you can be good and not have been banned into forever after is as dan said part of what makes it accessible to other audiences. I think the fact that they're you know it. It leaves open this idea of can there be a happy ending for anyone who is left behind said speak well. Yeah i think it killed by the devil they go to heaven is one of the big issues with the whole like the entire doug. Ultimate is problematic because because it's like just say no. Do your thing macaluso turns up. He'll kill you. You go to heaven you want if killing yourself wasn't against the law the second the devil tons up that will commit suicide but but that's against the rules that they have to sit around waiting for the you know the hero devil to come along and guilty in the mini the dream that's by the way what jeremy corbyn calls the e- ethnic he is in this first movie is played by different guy in the rest. That's the fills but in this one he's got more of a thicker accent and slater and stuff and yeah he just exudes evil so well. <music> quite sinister isn't he. He's <hes> it's as the as the as the character develops later on. There's a there's a british comedian named kevin eldon in who always plays these sort of appellate comedy creeps and i'll be damned if he's not the absolute spit for kevin losers roy on mind and number two looks looks like came in is that the one god it soak. It is absolutely brilliant but i love this sort of like bolivar esque hard lighting that they i don't i don't know if it's only because they had three lights or to gels or what but because they didn't have any phone in show a wool dressings. It's it's. He had this chroma sort of dayglo. Dayglo lighting is is such a strange choice and yet so committed to they couldn't they couldn't be described as incumbent by subtlety when it comes take about whether it's a with her. It's well <unk>. Get to the most ridiculous overtop always buys now just from the number three they yeah it's a it's an amazing transition and then obviously just in this first one especially <unk> as soon as you can sit there and go you what they flash immediately lately to these newsreels of horrible graphic real images. I'm pretty sure we saw people die in those. I'm not sure we saw it just feels very mondo. Ask and you don't even have long enough to really complete your last thought thought until you get to the to the next moment really becky show in this film. He's got a guy named pirker a <hes> who he just reminds me of stephen miller so much he's just kinda drawn and thin hair and just seems to again exude evilness listen. He might goddess each the scenery every time he signed screen yet. The the left hand of the devil is always hilarious hilarious costing the the thing that i find to be the most hilarious with all of these is what they call the people who are left behind that are secret christians or maybe not so secret christians the we're going against macaluso and they are called the haters leaders when did when did this become come like pollens in outside of the christian movies. Was it already being used by then. I feel like it was more recently than that and the writers of this must have been like income we used that those are the haters as opposed to the lovers which is which is which would be different <hes> when people started citing saying haters gonna hate. They're like no. That's the point that it's contagious are going to love everybody unconditionally and forgive they love god more than the unity of the world which i again i wasn't aware of those things where it crossed olives but you know as as the film goes on what these films really taught me is that if you want to love god well it. You've got to be willing to delay for him and hey everyone else. As far as i'm aware that's basically what we're doing but if you like the devil you tell telepathy in world peace so again. I'm a bit confused by the ground rules of christianity as they were explained to be previously isa telling is especially in this first film what they're telling is is that if if someone comes along and they're in charge of a big like collection of nations and they managed to broker a peace deal than their evil. That's it. We can't trust anyone one. Who's trying to organize well pace. They are jiffy. Yes especially peace in the middle east that is really bad well though actually the thing that the person who's currently in charge of christ creating peace in the middle east is probably the son of the devil so now senior goshi pointed to by donald trump is on his way to the middle east promote a future peace plan israel and palestine president trump's son-in-law jared kushner was expected to accompany jason green glass on a week long tour of gulf states the u._s. delegation will outline the economic elements of proposal aimed at ending of decades old conflict just got some exciting news for you guys off of our information wire here which is the <hes> haters it comes from the notorious b._g.'s player hater <hes> in his <hes> songs released in nineteen ninety five so who <hes> so this is this is post player hater on so the writers of this were very hip with the kids and <hes> he's alone big torius b._j. Fund so did you were you watching c._n._n. Just now i've got the alert on my phone so they a they come up <hes> and it's actually because my phone can hear anytime i say anything controversial. It just can russia approaching them from russia. Just likes to send in slow. Oh nudges as a as i carry on again. It's it doesn't seem to to you. It's like a montage cultural references. It doesn't seem to be taking from any anyone <hes> solid platform it just seems to sort of be throwing what sticks or you know throwing and seeing what sticks and what they come away with is just. I mind boggling. Law of average is just make enough crazy amounts and and some of them don't to see a pattern is sort of like a story aw i think i've i think i've now come across my favorite line. Which is i realize we're bouncing around massively here but is is <hes> is <hes> gary busey later explaining to his his christian police officer colleague well if this has something to do with the devil. I wish they'd send you. You're a christian you know more about that stuff and it's like the instant stint ability for someone to instantly believe that sending a christian cop to a crime scene would have made a difference but then not be willing willing to believe any of the other stuff that he's he's such a weird that all of these people oh. When can we talk about salty bananas. I can't wait. Hey i know i know i keep jumping ahead. It's just too much. It's really hard. I'm still re- i'm really to talk about mr t. so and that's the thing each of these movies gets better and better and better. That's the word you wanna use but they do get more superfluous innocent of delirium some kind of way. I guess they do still have you'll view of the world reshaped. I did find that. I was sort of shouting at the screen by the last <unk> asked one. I'm not sure i'm not sure if that was the myo install comes in during the sort of formed around them or <hes> or my absolute engrossment in the narrative with the film's but yeah but but things are going down in apocalypse weren't they it was it was not going well for characters in apocalypse no and they ended up cold murdering bronson pearls and he is gone by the time that the second movie revelation comes out which is set three months and slater and now we focus on jeff fahey who is watching home movies which is something that i was just <hes> we just didn't episode minority report and i was trying trying to think of all the times that we have cops watching home movies and enjoying the the life that they used to lead and this is you know i'm not saying that the makers of minority already report took anything from revelation i i literally have in my notes of this is very john anderson my favorite thing about at this particular scene which <hes> when separately and then both put it up to each other was <hes> the loving way in which her husband commanded her to smile and then show him her face go on darling smile show me it was it was like the even grandpa us ice yeah even even not intending to the the really just grim grim content beneath the veneer of this film is absolutely we mind boggling but yeah it's <hes> it it mirrors later when are when are lovely <hes> blinds later not blind woman is told to smile <hes> lots of women being told to smile by men in this film despite the fact that they're in the middle of the apocalypse so just wanted to put that out there she don't go to smart about at least it called salvator or things yes she she also. I love the blind character who keeps describing the rooms there. We're in the schiphol schiphol. Sitting smells like a stink is what i'm saying. Can we get a shower here. You know we can't hold the plumbers and janet says okay ruptured a man struggling with memories as we don't need church to make family. All right of a family lost forever the world god mad please. We don't man is about to discover generally got what true faith is all about okay. He believes in you. Cloud ten pictures proudly presents jeff fahey a he nocco this little glass water right now. I'll be able to leave her. Come on nick mancuso it and carol van peter in the poll mohmand biblical epic in revelation that day one old witness the word of the great tribulation what a world ruled by the anti christ ask and follow one man's journey to find his his family renew his faith. Not even your god can save you and discover in the book has been opened so this is the movie they introduces us much more to <music> sciatica abilities and to virtual reality and i think there's just something really ironic having jeff fahey being a movie about virtual reality since we all know him. Has the lawnmower man so good. It's it's obviously he's been typecast. As what the eighties the future would look like. I love the scenes where he's having v._r. Explains to him by spe- no but because of lino plano's wheelchair spotted a joke yeah. This movie is a little problematic and some of them a nominative determinism everything else yet like he goes in and spinoffs dressed like a cowboy because it seems that in this world via puts you in the costume you'll wearing in the real world we noticed later so spin addresses for the beach and their beach the addresses as a cowboy cowboy invidia yen he gets to explain to jeff about vail which includes there's some interaction with the shell employees as well. He had decided masochistic shell moment. That's like you know what you know. What's going to go. Well in these christian films is if the guy i just just flays himself a few moments this is this is not the first time this film is reminiscent of the hellraiser series. It's there's definitely some of that stuff in our as to whether you just running around dimly lit corridor. It's funny too 'cause it. It is fun especially an an and i think that is one of the science fiction bits. It's of of this. The series that can be a lotta fun is actually looks quite a lot like the looks as far as the headsets are concerned except there's have duct tape over with them for some reason and somebody a little bit happy with the label maker so it's just called lake. A massive label maker printed sign on the front of it. I remember going and trying <music> outfielder around this time they used to be a big cade in london in the trocadero and they had the first the all headsets only ever got to troy and i was the with my father and i put this thing on was a it's like a dinosaur safari simulator and it was your red polycom and then like three green polygons which was a pterodactyl went boy. You and you shot with your brown political. At which point did the red poli gonna ask you to take the mark of the beast. I'm mocked up already. I was born with it in my head. Six six six doubles area code search for it on a student all right. It's just three nine. That's the emergency number in the u._k. So that's how i remember you. Gotta see now. We've recast franko macaluso as nick mancuso so all the time while i'm writing my notes i just keep combining those things things and saying gee frank man calypso and yeah his big plan. Is this whole thing called the day of wonders i which now he is firmly in charge of everything and no mention of any other government officials. We don't know what happened any of these people they. They were all raptured christians all okay well. I can definitely see ruptured. Oh definitely he's definitely. I'm sure i'm sure he is a believer in something i i believe in god i believe in the bible. I'm a christian. I i have a lot of reasons i love. I love people so he's got this whole plan of of enacting this day of wonders which is all going to take place via v._r. and find a real hard logistical problem with this because when you put put on the v._r. Headset later on in the film more time probably like third act he shows up and i think he shows up individually for every single person person puts on the headset in just like how does that happen has. Is it just like santa. Don't worry about it. He can be everywhere. Once is the dunk diety. He is in the president. He can literally pay to everyone at once earlier on in the number three when they possessed two people at once right uh-huh oh man no is i did question that momentarily and then in the context of everything else in this i think by this point i had just stopped being resistant to nonsense and so i was just like okay yeah cool so he can do this with everyone. At once the thing is the film like admin and dismisses how many flaws but but it but the fact that it dismisses it means that it recognizes them like the and this isn't isn't one that they acknowledged but there are so many times when they're like oh but hang on a minute if someone's watching this they might say but surely this and they're like it's okay. We'll put in this line that will completely blow that question as well and it's. It's going to go back to the cynical finance of this little again because i don't think it's any mistake that the the director and producer of this went on to make what they claim is the first v._r. A feature film which is called what jesus jesus jesus jesus we are it it shows an executive producer and the religious consultant with the passion of the curly's but my religious consultant is god but <hes> but yeah it's i mean i really wouldn't be surprised if that is an element of of they knew they wanted to make something they are. They've been waiting for it. They've making it happen <hes> so they centred these films around virtual reality headset because that's something that's way to introduce it can i can. I saw bo very quickly and just tell you a little thing about jesus. Oh oh please so jesus. I wish the trailer or two different trailers under an announcement video on youtube when i when i found out that it was had been made very excited what about this and one of the things they did was on the trailer was they put a full star review quote from peter bradshaw in the guardian and i was like well. That's quite impressive branch. Will you know whether we're always agree with this yeah. He's relatively highbrow chap guardians of highbrow newspaper. That feels a little bit weird so i did a bit of digging i found peter bradshaw's review aww jesus in the guardian which i'm going to read you a tiny little bit of this is literally the opening line from peter bradshaw raviv the acting da the direction awful the adaptation conservative and pedestrian in conventional terms everything about this new retelling of the jesus story showing here in venison and abbreviated forty minute cut is ropy it gets it gets full stalls for the technologies close impressive and i think we're going to be able to do some interesting things with this in the future teacher and a solid line where he says that during the crucifixion the computer overheated so he's head goto houghton that fell quite immerse but i put that on the post yeah. It's just it's such a it's i so again this goes back to sort of you know like the i think the audience that this this is intended for takes all of this for granted as as facts but i'm not sure how much the filmmakers are on board with that. I'm still. I don't want to cast aspersions on it but i don't know and how far does it go. Does the grip believe it with the grip survived the rupture would he go to heaven lighter in this movie. They burn a massive crucify defended and i said to jen. Do you think i had to go like out to the lower crew and be like goes is there anyone hayes comfortable with burning across across the median barrel fine with it. It's so fun. I was on one of the first movies. I've been told that it was a reflection in a broken miracle hackneyed need shaw and they were like oh we need someone to crack the mirror and no one would break the mirror because of superstition and so it felt to me to go outside and put a crack in america people incredulous. I had to get ghost insurance for a movie so like the people people you know people people. Will you know it's really funny. Though is we are like animals animals or superstitious. It's how we learn. It's how we build patterns and recognize patterns in this kind of stuff. It's just it gets wired into. Certain people's brains more intensely sleep. Another superstition is a programming error in our ability to love between safety and danger well in anything processes as well but yeah it's <hes> it's a funny thing about the human brain but the result is that we get stories like this. She said as delicately as possible. You'll you'll definitely ride the target audience among the door every everyone's like well. It's jesus like there's no one is no one's meant to be like oh. What's the hand it gentleman goodness. Jesus did not say that coming visiting visit amazing conversation between fall he and his partner at the beginning of two they see the the exploded exploded bus and they using satellites track the source of the destination and they get there and <hes> and fully and <hes> and the and his partner talking about macaluso kalisa and whether or not he's a common as <hes> fall he says and his partners like no. He's definitely the savior as definitely and he's like. I'm pretty sure he's just a cullman and he's like right. Oh maybe an alien and all the way through the politics like dismisses things because he's opinions all he he's just sort of imposes upon him the theory that things are from space and that's ludicrous and therefore his occupants is inviolate when for he does not suggest that at all i i liked thoughts a little a little argument with the battlefield earth guys where they're sick city. I i didn't even pick up on this whole thing of thorold stone. I love this name the the jeff character that he does not believe that the rapture took the wife and daughter in that he really actually does believe that it was aliens and there's even a part where he's in his car and he's got this book of like blah blah blah alien abductions inductions. I'm like what the in that. I'm sitting there going okay what what's more crazy what is literally more crazy that the that that the big man in the sky took your wife and daughter or that the little green men in the sky took your wife and daughter what is more nutty and of course this movie wants us to think that the second choice is the choice well. That's the thing i mean statistically speaking as an atheist there is more. There's more chance of there being life in the in the universe us like <unk> other than on planet than there is of some diety well and this is this is what brought us tonight my most cringe-worthy line of the series <unk> of which is particularly turned deaf inappropriate for the new cycle at the moment but it says <hes> <hes> it's not people who believe in aliens that they're sending to concentration in camps. It's people who believe in the bible and it was like oh no you're wrong. It's mexican kids it. It was like oh that's being done by christians. I know it's just it's just like oh wow there's just a lot of this morning that picture of uber christian rich and mike pence standing outside of the cages with all those men and it's just like an no compassion on his face whatsoever. It's like wow he's never alone in a room with the woman who isn't his his wife so you know he's gonna get ruptured. That's haters for you. It's so utterly tone-deaf in places that again like like the the inherent hypocrisy walker said just keep going back to it and it just absolutely exploded my mind about every every seen change in this where the tenants of this are just at odds with each other. They're just constantly at odds with each other and it's more i would go with the fact that the the chief bad guy who later gets called lucifer and i don't know if i missing think some of my bible history or not here. I don't know if if there's so like an actual is like a demon name that i've missed out on or something or lucifer all right macaluso nicole case yeah yeah they just like drop all pretense that he's anything other than lucifer and that that was shocking to me. I wondered if maybe macaluso was meant to be mark of lucifer in a louis louis cypher. Wow <hes> really loose. Dan is seeing levels in this film that the film makers didn't even know they were implanting. I mean isn't that film criticism. When i i was a kid there was some crazy guy going around my neighborhood leaving all of these handwritten and photocopied pamphlets that he made all about the mark of the beast so i've kind of been just fascinated by this idea and they were hilarious. They were cartoon drawings of this guy at a gas station with a board bubble that comes out that says now that i've got got my six six six mark of the beast tattoo i can fill up my car and it's like wow and and talking about like the world bank if you add up all these things again and it's the whole like globalism it's commerce and that's the thing is that was crack me up to is there like oh until you get the mark you won't be able to buy or sell anything and it was just like well we could barter or is socialist on the bad exactly as having socialism and christianity be on the same line of any the argument is is slightly at odds with itself as well. I'm an i presume that's an acknowledgment of a specific law in the book of revelation that like will yeah but that was written a long time ago when buying and selling was kind of like like the just come out of altering period currency was comparatively selecting well and you get you you get as well that there can't remember what it was but obviously at the heart of a lot of financial tensions between christians jesus the idea that <hes> christians couldn't lend lend money so i don't know if that's yeah it was considered filthy to lend money so they let the jews do it and then and then they will like damn. It never really good at it and making loads of money. Let's demonize was them. Forbidden rich is this woman irish who comes up in this one office pool and i see this the other thing the oil-rich lady yeah where the hell is helen from <hes> i think she stalled so pretending to be american but she's mimicking the american voices canadian coastal yeah. She sounds a little australian at times. I mean she's english. I think it does go all over the shop. They doesn't <unk> just english though yet. There's definitely solid english. I thought walk. She was a stray lead on the first one because her grandmother has the same accent and then everybody else has really just the canadian slips through so much. I love it some some of my favorite bits when the day play is shut up just canadian in this international cast and again everything. I loved that everything is so centralized. Everything stopped being global. We don't get shots of like unusual. Apocalypse zones you get like shots of the of the eiffel tower exploded the white house exploding or there's no conceptualization everybody's gone don't worry about it a little out of the way in the first one yeah yeah they they show footage of china and they're like england's mislabeling places actually had a japanese denise guy get raptured. I was just like <hes> okay really yeah. Statistically they'll be fewer like japan. I think one of the any countries where it was completely illegal to be christian like actually in history well and it's i mean you know and many many places where it was the opposite but <hes> but the <hes> the the other side of that is and we've kind of we stopped with him but i really want to go back to him is on is our good friend <hes> spe- know who just got me through through this series speedo and his his his later unexpected return in court <hes> but yeah i love speed. I feel like that was a little bit of stump cameo in full when he comes back everybody. We need to bring in the spin speed. That's why the third movie just failed because they're just like not enough's beano none of spain it but i feel like they wouldn't avoid. I just i feel like maybe he was in the film at been saying yeah he just unhinged she's jaw and small and before his come on over here. I'm hungry in spain fails like he's lifted out of a boondocks ripple. I'm totally yes. I love him. He has got some flashy aware areas well. I think it's important people take notice style choices. He was his cool yellow shades under his v._r. Headset nonprescription sunglasses under the his v._r. So you can wear them in. This space is completely. I don't think he's wearing them on the beat. He's definitely not wearing them. When he cuts his chest through the shell because you can see as always he doesn't. He takes them off but not in real. Maybe takes them off throws them out of frame like he does with every object. He touches well. I try to make these films make sense. My head hurts. We haven't even mention helen in this movie and her group of haters. We're going to hates eighth. They'll great. She's got a great haters. She's called the eightfold great yes. She's got her own computer. Guy who then who is not the same as you know and then she's got jake gas who is played by patrick gallagher who is very familiar character actor and he's basically the gruff little bit heavy set kind of guy who just doesn't believe anything that is going on. She's got carol alt- as cindy both bolton or the is is. Dan was calling her all through the film. I was just referring to be known. The is that sounds like a cop show. I'd say per watch the the speed of play carol. Who is this absolutely gorgeous supermodel and who i mostly know from her cameo in howard stearns private parts and then she shows up here yeah she shows up here as the blind girl and so we've got the blind girl and then spinoza in the wheelchair are and there's this whole side plot with this woman named selma davis who's played by miriam carvel whose husband gets murdered right in front of her. She's there in prison prison because she's a she's a secret. Christian gets rounded down there hater. She's a hater. She is one of the ones initially blamed for blowing up the school bus. See that's that's the other thing is <hes> the the backbone of the <hes>. Let's call it a crusade if you will. The crusade against the endless this crusades is that it can't be inverse crusade. It's just a crusade. It's all founded on this idea that the haters were blowing up converts and they weren't and so so is it not just enough for them to not dido to be haters. They also have to be blowing up again. They sort of fluctuate quote. The bible seems to be illegal and maybe that's enough to looking to arrest people but then having the sign but then also that like let's just really make sure and black flag the shit out of this. We're gonna blow up a lot of our own. Papal specifically they list schools school buses old age old age homes and orphanages. I think donald trump has seen this movie. Hey this reminds me of that. Terrorists incidence sweden all those years ago or the bowling green massacre that we had here. It's such like is it really. It's <hes> it's. It's just very very weird. The way it holds up a mirror at its own culture and says when someone else does it. It's wrong to jump ahead a little bit later in number three the same abuses hiding from the eleni like police and he goes into a like an underpass full of destitute and homeless people and the the theon police come in and just start randomly shooting people and i was like are they do. They shoot their own. People are like why are they shooting and it turns out they haven't raptured these people so the the thing that comes to mind is like so i will is held to post people <unk> headsets if the homeless like tricky but also they like obviously that they decide that these people are of the low enough stature that not worth taking the souls of which feels like more of a judgment call from the filmmakers them the devil. Yeah 'cause the the devil super about number. It's gotta get those numbers up. Those numbers say always be conversing twits it back coffee down in that some point the goal four the bodies seems to be to either get all the christians dead for everyone who's still alive on earth to be a to carry the mark of the devil so that they can all think about world peace at the same time time and empower themselves to change the world for good. Am i missing something. That's that's a cell. That's how they're convincing people to side with the devil as the world peace thing yeah you've been you've been suckered by the by the ever charismatic michalis i know the the devil needs enough people on side. It's unless includes killing everyone who's until inside the <hes> becomes his mind so if he gets over a certain percent if he gets his hundred monkeys than a uh then he wins bicycling you use banana and the ocean to explain that to me the third money okay. I'll wait wait wait. I think a metaphor about bananas and the ocean and how monkeys eat them would help me understand this whole thing better but maybe that will come later. We'll come back to their for you. You might mike unless including one of the things that undermines these movies is that as far as the christians are concerned and by the christians i mean both the audience and the christian character in the movie this whole whole thing is rendered somewhat moot by the fact that this is all going according to god's plan and that nothing they will make a difference like sooner or later coltan up. He'll say okay go <unk> eulogies. Everything's over everyone join me in the kingdom of heaven and so like just being christian is enough to these people and then it needs to try and swap the devil. They don't need detroit him. I guess maybe it's that drawing to convert back people. Can you get back from being six because they have said like they do. I'm pretty sure they state date quite clearly that the rule is once you were given the mark. You can't go back like sorry. I've just heard what i said. I'm out once once you go black church. You never go oh part to church but yeah it seems it seems like there's a finality to it and yet there's there's no finality to being christian which but then again conversion in trinidad into killing then you gotta have him. That's the finality of christianity death by double death by the ultimate sacrifice ace. I just all really wanted from this film was for somebody to shoot somebody and then turn inside the camera. Now go with god and nobody ever did it. Nobody he ever did it. It's just i needed more like action. One liners after people are sent to their maker spinners the one king king if dane cook was stealing comedians <unk> stealing dane cook's it was like every dad joke i had ever heard rolled up into one. Little delightful character is my friend. Klaus devoto says does i got a hunch. That's probably my favorite line in the film is my idea that he was friends with quasimodo or that like no. He's he's super ablest. He just thought he'd know someone with his mate scoliosis. I mean i just like the idea that he on the rags. Hangs is out with like eighteenth century literary references like he's esmerelda and i don't worry about it. It's cool jill <unk> longo. That's that's what they do. What blow billboards sunglasses people talk. Maria most means spinners idiot idiot so this is nineteen ninety nine that this movie comes out the same year as the matrix which i find very ironic because they basically end up up showing up in that <hes> matrix waiting room so many times that's their v._r. Is going into the big white room waiting for you know <hes> tank and dozer download the whatever program yeah. It's because it's cheap guys that's that's my favorite is when macaluso has is in the in the white space with him and he's like you can see she's like amazing. I can see as he's like yeah you can you can see me and you can say all of this is nothing but imagine it was sky across stuff. That'll be good right and she's like oh yeah amazing. It can sit. He's like yeah but no in hair point two heads out there. It's like come on man renzo some fields. We've seen that you can do beaches if you're trying to sell site to this woman show it to her so good for for instance so she gets she gets the gift division incredible like that teen scientific. An animal science has gone further. That's not not actually out of this world and he was already walking walking around v._r. And money happy with that as his limits. We didn't get a lot from him. See okay so this is where i think like the craft really falls down if you can if you can you can bear with me for a second is that if you're going to build this character whose ultimate choice is to betray his friends and for the ability to walk you gotta make him want it a bit more. He's just like oh no. That'd be cool that that's the that's the moment that's the best line in the until a franchise when fall fall he troy's form. I and they're on the beach. He takes it off and he says wow. If i have one of these. I've never leave my house and there's a genuine moment of pythons when spanos we know says without it. I never leave my chair and that's that's a good line is by just don't think it sets up betraying god and he's injured now and his absence cert. There's no such a big leap for him. Because he says a couple of times before we make such always he already believes the macaluso is the is the masan is super hitting on the is like loads <hes> he definitely will see the shit out of hashing now. She was league. They can say eat the apple hard. It's very clearly an adam and leave moment and also i can't remember if it's in this one one of the other ones that somebody talks about the serpent and eating the apple in that having been so <hes> so we're back to another like they couldn't just convince him on his own to betray them. They had to get the super hot blind. Check to betray betray god i and and she's believed no. She believer no she isn't she's sort of argument. She's just agnostic so she's not as hard but then but then all his is more impressive than legs you talk about a cell now now that she can see. He's super willing to do anything for her. Including betraying his family she the vegetarian in the movie the <unk> really super identified as not law that law in wispy no goes <hes> she's she's. She's like i'm vegetarian and he gets all shitty about it and says i didn't find my way to the top of the food chain to cucumber put an apple now and apple like a gopher thing is but then she says she hates plans and that never came up again. The book of genesis never stipulates that it's an apple just says it's a fruit right show. It could be a cucumber cucumbers technically a fruit now. If it was a tomato hato that'd be a little messy then that would get that would get more debatable. How many tomatoes can dance on the head of a pin <hes> but yeah it's it's again. It's just the the sort of what i was thinking about. My the thing that really goes wrong for me is the they could balance these characters more if they tried <unk> but they really don't try if they tried or if they will better reuters. I mean if maybe they did try. I don't know if they did this. Is someone saying i'm good. This is good enough for them. Good for them but it's just it's places like that where where it's just absolutely just conflicting dictating everything at its core the the throws me out of it and that that makes me just have to make fun of it. If i'm going to say well i think i think it bears saying that. It's not not just the content of these films that makes them laughable. It's not it's the way that they have no through line and don't even stand hand on their own convictions that that's what makes them easy. Amateurishly made and the entire quality of the film can be summed up by the line amateurs built the ark they put a lot of faith in believing you can do it professionals spill titanic and and that made like a billion at the vauxhall horace grossing movie of all time for years wrong cameron. Oh i think it's important to point that out though because i think i think you know it's all well and good to poke fun at the tenants of of the film being what they are but really the thing that makes them open to that kind of critique is the fact that they veer so wildly over the road in a way that i just it just doesn't say they have the courage of their convictions and i think that's what opens them up for this kind of criticism well. I think he's also that you go people like if you call the nets out and you'll like who wants to make take <hes> like i said of a one point two million dollar movie that's super super hokuto christian and we're gonna spend very much of it on actors and also we've. I've already written the script like you're just gonna get that. Many people being like oh yeah. No you know you're not gonna get oscar-nominated deep as filming this kind of thing on that. I wanna go when we get to margot kidder. I want to talk about how she feels about this when we get there because i think that's important too to jump to as well as i wanna talk real quick about the macguffin of this film which is a cd rom. Maybe that is being passed around with no sort of protection no sleeve or anything she's like. Oh yeah i keep up with my son pipe. Eh it's like everyone keeps forgetting it as well like the actors really don't like they were they. Were gonna do something. They were gonna have parole. They couldn't figure out the props so they just smacked a label on the cover of a c._d. In the actors were like is this it yet. This is a kid just throwing and do we have to hold a catholic by the edge. No just grab it. Just grab it with greasy fingers because there was a t._v. Show in the u._k. Never made it over to the states tomorrow's world which was like a t._v. Show about up and coming tech and accelerating futuristic futuristic <hes> equipment and it's probably what i said about vail but he's also i heard about cds and i remember them talking about the fact that they were basically indestructible and they demonstrated this by taking a a box cutter to the back of one and then snaring peanut butter on it before putting it in the machine and playing. It's going well but didn't in this one. I was quite impressed oppressed by the guy who just smashed it with his hand was that noise to three and a half inch floppy disks bad spin crushes the floppy disk once when spain. I was gonna evil. He takes takes the fight floppy disk out to his hand and crushes mashes his hatred phonetics devil strength. I really enjoyed the label label again. I'm very big on labels in this movie label printed on the c._d. Cover as well as the <hes> as well as the menu screens on like spin on screen siva the a hacker screensaver. I remember when i used to build screensavers a pixel at a time <hes> remember flying toasters that that's what they set that sets a time a simpler time. This film brought me back. I wish v._r. Space it had flagged as in the background fay jumps on one in such ryan do in today's. I've never leave the house. We have one of my favorite things in this whole movie which is when they're trying to you. They've got the the good program in the blink disk and they're putting it in there and the running this program. They're trying to upload something and of course we'll get the progress bar. My favorite thing in the whole world is that's beano comes in and grabs monitoring tries to smash the monitor which is not connected at all to anything we've clearly seen still has a picture on it it and that he thinks that by smashing the monitor your stopping the program that always gets me now. I just think it's this is one of the points that you guys need to know that these movies are actually sent from the future it. It's it's about wireless. Technology v in monitor hard drives that we have now. They accidentally left them in in the production. Action is on this was set in the near future like it's not meant to be now because then it doesn't look like it has to be posed rapture future sipho it was was filmed now and then they sent it back to the go hand full body tracking in veal wireless ville helmets like wireless the oklahoma i i just i like the idea that they went. They went wireless man. They would wireless for day one. They said i don't want to be tethered to computer of the time of recording we've hans proper put seven access wireless via for about two months in the womb but yeah it's it's absolutely oh it's it's incredible. I want to live in this world. I want to live in this wireless. Everything world. Oh we do i like when he shoots the monitor with two gums. Oh yeah he's doing a chaoyang fat. Yeah in an in an act like a tubby hawaiian caucasian debate on fats just talking about the thing thing is when spinout goes everyone's being the mock and gets his gets it the use of his legs they're like but now he's taking the mulcahys kind of evil right on the right. Is that like europe but we've already he kind of written him as a dick like he's he's an ablest sexual predator like how do we make him worse. Have him shoot his own dog elvis and they've called him elvis because they know the old christians <unk> elvis because the dog is really call elvis. Is that true up the elvis. The dog asked himself out the play by himself. Nice the filmmakers then only in the same way that i think a lot of the locations bill belongs to the actual so we end the film with <hes> the day of wonders has been postponed macaluso gets on tv and starts talking about the haters and just how horrible they are and then we've got stone the jaffa character looking at a picture of his wife and daughter and then looks up to the heavens and so he no longer believes in aliens now he believes in god so all is right with the world. I'm just imagining donald trump going on twitter at being like we're postponing during the day haters or or saw it's just it reads like a at the movies synopsis reads like trump tweet. The law scene lean is all of the heights is that were in the furnish that will made special aubrey by the hand of gold macaluso left hand man puts all of the puts the haters including for he in the in the furnace and turns out and it doesn't burn them so he's like more fire will burn them out for to burn down building levels when it still doesn't work. He's like goddamn. I'll do it myself and opens. The door does immediately qasimi himself which is why i was surprised that he was so spry in the next one actually there's no real i mean it seems like for left towns number three. Is it yeah yeah yeah these different times because the left hand in number left on number before the bull guy with the matrix losses. Yes he's got. He's got a different look general each again going back to the hypocrisy it would it would very much feel like the fire burning them is god intervening directly and proving his existence because he also does that with the with the computer program without loading the virus speedo finds the computer that has the disconent manages to eject the disk and it still uploads the last like three percent without him and then even when he pulls the monitor off off. It's still working. I that's why i think the monitor doesn't like with the wide gum. The moments is still working because the hand of god is making sure that this goes up. I liked it. I liked it. Their version of god is is sort of like a it's like it's like a mom at a child's birthday party who sort of drunk on white wine where the kids are all sort of beating each other up and some of them are asking for help and she's ignoring them right on up until they kill each other at which point at which point she sort of grab somebody's back and she's like not so not so fast you but yeah this is a this is a really lousy fair gall going on here. He's just like oh fuck. Just not going to let you burn. There's a hole in the middle of this that we've gone. Kids blow up but i'm not gonna let you guys. We've yeah the bus lunatics the there's a whole bit in the middle of this that we glossed over where for he is demanding proof <unk> an helen is like yeah now you have prove the hana proof because <hes> if god gave him proof you wouldn't need faith and it's like this is ridiculous. Bullshit shit yeah no go for this cup this cup that will still have just enough jesus magic in it. They will trip the newly but legged speed no no it no. It's <hes> it's the newly cited carol. She steps around the cup. See she steps around. The latest actually trips oh he does the that's how they get away from it. Yeah that's how they managed to escape him. A couple of silla important. I like the idea that the script supervisor onset whenever anybody had any questions about like continuity not being maistre like an angle working if they just if they just god's plan. I'm terribly sorry. Could you have faith in the filmmakers just as much by as i must have saved if you can have that much money. Do you think they were waiting for that cup to get picked up by one of the janitors and he just never showed up anybody seen anybody seeing pete. That's why the disguises so they're like. Oh my god service guy. We are very a happy to see you for. He dresses up as a janitor and breaks into your cover. They've already go inside and it's like no unannounced dress up as a place. I need to go and hack into a small box janet that did have another one of my favorite lines where they say. I don't know what we're looking for. We'll just have to just look at everything because they don't know what's on the disk so they're just gonna break it and look for everything. They're gonna blowtorch. Some wires yeah that scene with them. In the oven is just. I love that again. Concentration camps yes roy studies that is tasteless a black lady singing amazing as in grace in what is extensively. I guess china is problematic. I love that we never get a shot of her. We only get the shot from inside. The gas chamber. Essentially looking at parker's is him going nuts on the outside. We never get his p._o._v. shot of inside in what's happening. It's like massively have to save on the special effects budget gotcha absolutely when you when you see the fine attract into that little view in though in the dole it is interlaced there is there is interlaced today's video artifact thing on the video in that window. This is the same one where they nonsense it. No it's later. It's the fourth one burned down the condo for no reason. Oh yeah that's the number. Inforwars is putting down the pirates in order on this one. It was still dislike c._g._i. Fire a little bit of after effects just like really early the <hes>. I think it's yeah it's my say so compulsively follow on this one and then by number four they have like one real power effect on one riddick <unk> affect is just so good it is just although they do genuinely massive cross this one so they've used the whole that gasoline or not i guess all right guys we're going to take a break and plane interview with the director of three of these four films andre van heerden and we'll be back with that right after this brief messages get to old baby right now. All jeans are on sale up to fifty percent off from fifteen bucks for adults ten bucks for kids. 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We look forward to seeing you soon at four one two six third streak and in this city eighteen zero one this is andrew from we hate movies and you're listening to the projection shing booths if you feel like laughing after listening to some serious film discussion over our show w._h._m. Podcast dot com every tuesday. A new episode drops us ragging on bad movies whereas here at the protection talking about good hardy cinema related stuff. Go here for the cinema. Come to us for the last afterwards. We movies every tuesday it. How did you get interested in film. And how did you know that you wanted to become a filmmaker so i've always had a huge interested in the story telling <hes> i think i get it from my daddy was always been very animated in engaging storyteller and and so when i was growing up i was a bit of guinea pig for him in high school. He was a guidance counselor in us news for some new aptitude tests that they were just introducing and and i remember when i was doing <hes> these opportu tests that <hes> it said that i was best suited according to my interests according to my <hes> level screwing doing things like that either as a university professor or as film director and because i was just in high school at the time i thought that's kinda neat heat and never approach any real stock in it especially for <hes> some director seemed being in a small town -tario candidate that was something that would happen happen but when i graduated from university with a degree in combined honours journalism and english by came away with a documentary god made on the effects of video games on children and so i had used some of my schooling and university degree to fulfill a little bit of that <hes> doreen streaming aptitude of doing some sort of storytelling this happened to be documentary i then <hes> was looking for new work and found a company called this week in bible prophecy offices anyways a news based show weekly show half hour that looked at events around the world <hes> whether it's to do with earthquakes awards or the middle east tour <hes> whatever it happened to be changes in the weather and related it to prophecies in the bible and <hes> it's lined ended up very much with <hes> with my worldview it lined up with my interest in storytelling working on the tv series and my background in journalism and particularly in <music> <hes> video work and <hes> happened in a weird way to be right place at the right time because the company this week in bobble prophecy was also missile involved in a whole bunch of other stuff and a month after i was hired as a low man on the totem pole just to help on sat or to log video footage news footage judge from around the world the company realized that they were really losing money in every one of their adventures acceptably in the video aspect but there in some financial agile difficulties so they ended up letting everyone goes the writers directors the producer everyone and basically ended over to the very low paid new guy and said hey. You said you could do this stuff. Here goes so suddenly me doing a half hour. Weekly news show pretty much on my own writing directing producing working with towns and getting it out there and so it was a real trial by fire. I really enjoyed it. Just shows are really interesting and we had a lot of <hes> interesting news footage from around the world that we could use when we started doing that. We started doing more documentaries and so i did a documentary on the evidence that god exists did a documentary on on specifically on unintended prophecies to another one on new technologies and how they're changing world and virtual reality and this way back going on many many years back even before virtually was a thing that produces we're also the <hes> executive producer also the host of the show <hes> peter peter and paul lawn. They were a little tired of doing the news show but we're interested more on the documentary side and then on doing an actual feature film and <hes> so the to to help them with that i didn't direct but i was doing all the post practice and work and a lot of the onset work and we produced movie movie apocalypse <hes> which technically is the first movie and that <hes> that series. It's not one that i will rush to show a lot of people it did very very well for us and we <hes> marketed it very well but it's not the height of filmmaking we were learning and we were working with a lot of other people who were learning and we had a very very low budget us what we knew which was bottled prophecy and we knew stock footage very well from all of our t._v. Shows and we later story the what we knew and the world that we knew and <hes> it did well and they did well enough that we're able to finance the next movie movie in the series called the revelation for that when they asked me to direct 'cause they had me do a lot of stuff before and that was my first real chance to <hes> kind of complete the circle from that initial aptitude test back in high school. When was the first time that you met peter and paul align because he worked with them for so many years it back in one thousand nine hundred ninety holiday ninety four would have been nice <hes> december nineteen ninety four. I done a little bit of <hes>. A freelance works on straight out of carlton university <hes> again some video work in a little bit of writing and then that was my first real job i would have <hes> <hes> out of university and <hes> like. I said i was hired. Really i think because of my background in journalism <hes> we got a raw unfiltered on unedited news footage from reuters every single day and so i was able to identify who the leaders were who the people were in logging so when they needed that assad assad of assad or sort of now who are <hes> something to do with earthquakes i'd be able to quickly find the footage and put it into the show as i said just kinda worked at it that it turned into a very long and good relationship with the brothers and <hes> really appreciated the opportunity and just kept growing from their revelation that you directed it was just like a quantum leap of quality and story telling and all these things things not to denigrate apocalypse but just it was such a sea-change when came revelation and i imagine that there had been a significant again increasing budget to go from even just the video look to actually shooting fell yeah absolutely so the brothers peter and paul along. There's a lot of different skills. One of their biggest skills was in marketing. They really founded niche audience that was very interested in bible prophecy and they went to a lot of prophecy conferences and things like that and they were able to figure out much to their credit because <hes> filmmaking is extremely difficult in financing films is even more for difficult is difficult is to make a movie finance movies even more difficult than they were able to find a way to work with other processing partners people who are interested in that world just say hey. If you're part of this movie you can pre buy at that time v._h._s. copies and this way back in pre by those we'll i used to finance the movie so when it comes you get it as a discount you sell to your audience you gotta cameo in these movies and it's all send the message that we believe in so they were able to refinance the movie in a very unique way something that i haven't seen since kind of really going in working with partners and then in terms of revelation relation one of the biggest step up this was just being able to hire actual name actors people who could bring something more to sell and <hes> to the performances and so we paid more than well jeff a._u. Is the lead on <hes> revelation and he's not a household name but you recognize someone like watching them in this or this this his salary was more than the entire budget of apocalypse which isn't that much 'cause it's extremely low budgets <hes> movie <hes> and he wasn't getting tade no millions of that but it was a significant jump fronts but what we found was by just adding that name as well as nickname true so carol very pretty face along with <hes> kind of a a known salt actor actors and we were able to get foreign sales and foreign sales or something that we can never really get with the pockets just in translate translate they were looking for the lever franken pretty safe to women and a known guy in jefferson a lot of science fiction and you've done a lot of westerns both translate very well all in the foreign market and so they were like that we're interested in jefferson carol nicknamed cousteau's done under siege and stingray so he's known as well to will buy so suddenly those extra salaries were more than covered the extra expense on the acting side so the brothers were really smart in terms of putting the financing together still a low budget movie still under a million for <hes> <hes> for thirty five you know which is what we were shooting on at the time which is pretty remarkable people and we were able to hire fella who really helped us up the game on his name's george turell and he was a cinematographer and he was someone who would seem really enjoyed apocalypse awkward so it's a bit of a calling card for us but when he called me and said hey you know i really loved it. I wanna work with you. Guys and i can really help you. <hes> you know step up the game in terms of working with film and the lights and all that sorta stuff so <hes> yeah. It was really kind of a real good together. A lot of different skill sets and it was a special hustle project. What was that like for you to go from doing. Primarily documentary work and news work into actually directing performances. It was a huge leap. It was something that i was very nervous about however when <hes> when i was talking to george karl we send mataka for need some it was someone who had worked with his kaminsky and had worked with patrick. Kane drew barrymore. You've been someone on major film sets and had worked with the high local actors and directors he was able to <hes> give me a lot of good advice and the one piece of advice was it storytelling and when in talking and stuff he said can you tell a good story so for each thing you have to figure out what is the story in that little scene and a little moment and then. How does it work in the bigger moments so i took that at the heart and then the other piece of advice was really from nick mancuso. Who's a very well known. <hes> katie an actor and fairly well known the international stage has a bit of a reputation of being <hes> challenging to work with i got along well with him and he gave me some real advice on how to oh you know bring out <hes> the actors and what i found was if you've done your casting well if you found someone who you believe can fill that role aw then you need to listen to them and you need to trust them and you're guiding them in directing them but you should be having to correct anything because you've chosen that person for a reason <hes> and you need to trust your things of your casting. I played so certainly there was the stakes there are certain things that are look at my house like oh which could have done differently or we've done this differently but it was a real learning experience and one that altair's ultimately the brothers were credited as writers on revelation relation and your credits director but what was the working relationship like with them as the writers and you directing this. Did you have had a hand in the ring as well because i know ultimately you have written a bunch of stuff. I have written a bunch of stuff. Just one was primarily primarily paula von. I had insight eight into <hes> certain things and certain lines. I'll <hes> i'll gazi yeah that was my line or whatever but the actual writing was very much <hes> poblano not one after that one i became a bit more involved in some of the other <hes> films and very much involved in other ones where <hes> actually wrote the screenplays but on that was very much of the earth in the script which i really liked and some of the scenes in there and particularly the glass of water scenes still one of my favorites those very clever that <hes> it was a script. I was very comfortable working with it was something that i understood and <hes> to be honest. I felt enough over my head. At that point that i was <hes> i was willing him to let other people <hes> teach guide at that time. What was it like moving onto tribulation and visit like i have to ask working with gary busey. Each of the movies had different challenges and each of them for me is a different focus so the first one was and i don't want to downplay too much but almost like a traffic cop whereas a coats and do a lot of coaching of sports. Make sure i get my day. Make sure i'm staying within budget. <hes> make sure that the story makes sense all those sorts of things when i hit tribulation. I really took a lot of notes of how could i improve. What could i do differently family and so one of the things we're trying to work more on the performances and more on the creative elements and the little nuances the budget was a little bit more so keep me a little bit more time still the days were very full so i couldn't go overboard. I couldn't somebody get carried away with anything. There is restrictions there so a different different focus a different set of challenges. One of those towns as was working with the very different cast carried u._c. Is is <hes> we'll all use the term infamous for ah -rageous sort of behavior and as i've told many people what you see is what you get that is it is not an act when you see me with u._c. Or him on the apprentice i think they got the apprentice or celebrity apprentice. That's not mac that's scary. He <hes> he comes. I think honestly through life including <hes> which included a major head trauma <hes> so i think that is affected innings <hes> been through some tough times but genuinely guy with a good heart to this day. We we remain friends to this day. He probably wouldn't give you what was like with andre he probably wouldn't remember if you said it. What was it like working with breath sweet pea. He would know exactly who you're talking about. He for some reason called me one day sweetpea and <hes> because <hes> we were discussing something thing in the picture taken together and he put underneath <hes> gary d and his longtime friend sweetpea and for whatever even it's stuck in his mind line and so whenever i call them i have to kind of soho my pride and say andrei and probably said oh i don't know who and and then i say sweeping sweeping premier so yeah. It's it's. It's one of those things he was a very good actor. He is someone someone who fills the screen <hes> if you've seen in lethal weapon or under siege. I think there's a reason why he's often cast as the antagonised i oh i think he's got that kind of extra edge to them. That makes them kind of the body's like love to hate. We customize a protagonist which was a challenge because he is bigger than life sort would've personality and <hes> when he's acting use-of-force he he's really <hes> bring it so that was something that we have to work on on daily and came in personality polar opposites to nicole kidman polar opposite to howie mandel so very very different equity with the cast. You mentioned virtual reality before. Did you bring that to the party when it came to the apocalypse series because i wasn't there necessarily in the first one but definitely in the latter parts that you directed so revelation it was you know the day of wonders it was the mystery that was being rolled out so certainly within our research and i'm a firm believer that if you're going to write a good script it doesn't start with anything bought research <hes> if you don't do the proper research and i mean i hand in depth research. You ended up with cliches and stuff that you've seen this thousand times over and i think that's why a lot of westerns feel like it's the same sort of movie because if i was gonna write a western i would they sit on all the western side seen which i love but they would it would be based on what i've seen in other movies it wouldn't be based based on actual historical research so we benefited in knowing that post apocalyptic prophetic world very well and something to do with the market the beef in virtual reality you just to lend itself very well to each other and so that was one of the <hes> the plot devices <hes> that we have brought in that research that we're done while working on this week in bible prophecy paid off our around the same time the lom brothers and and you were involved with the left behind series. How does that play out as far as left behind happening at the same time as things like tribulation in judgment because i know that you had also you. You broke what part three of the left behind series. It's a little bit of the dc universe the marvel universe it's the same world but <hes> just different different takes on on it. When we had done revelation it's arguably the first kind of bigger budget real movie that was done with a christian theme post post apocalyptic world at that time there was what what we had called church basement movies. There's a lot of the church basement. We've had very low quality. Apocalypse would fit in that world saw it on video. No-name actors made specifically just for their kind of christian audience. Revelation was our attempt to really make it <hes> movie for anyone one whether they're interested in science fiction or whatever and i was amazed at the places and calls you're getting from different magazines and different places where somebody reviews reviews these movies and there were or making things gore magazine science fiction stuff that i never would have thought they would be interested in this movie but because of the subject matter and that kinda in a post apocalyptic world it totally fit reaching kind of unchurched non-christian the audience we were able to do it without movies what we didn't realize there's word that right around that time just after revelation and certainly while we were shooting tribulation there was two guys avi mutes and <hes> joe joe goodman they'd option the rights to left behind <hes> this popular but not extremely risky left behind book and we made obstinate there was just one book and it was doing fairly well then it just mold they had got the rights before it became extremely popular and there was you know book two and three and four and five and six and it just kept going so they were looking to produce the movie they were looking to produce at you know forty million dollar budget levels grab pitch and they went to the studios and the studios weren't interested to evangelical not what they do so they sought around south running new guys in kentucky. We had no experience awesome so making so it was a really tall task for anyone to try to get a movie going even if they were spielberg who would have been difficult to try to get that going. Honestly it was just something that the hollywood world wouldn't know what to do with quite funding probably wouldn't want to deal with shopped around shopped around eventually came to us as the only guys who were producing in quality on film christian themes movies and happen to be similarly thing that in terms of dealing with the post apocalyptic world so they knew where we are was they knew what we were trying to do that is similar heart and so <hes> they came to the set actually we're on the set of tribulation and visited us there and <hes> we're able to make the deal while on set and seeing what we were doing and how we stepped up our game a little bit from revelation the tribulation to make the deal partnering with us to make <hes> left behind so in terms of the chronological order of productions that went apocalypse revelation tribulation left behind then judgment then tribulation force and then left behind world war so there was a real jump <hes> in terms of the <hes> <hes> years from i wrote judgments. I think in two thousand and one and we think we produced it right around there. Two thousand and one left behind world at war. The third and left behind series wasn't until two thousand five. I believe so there was a bit of a jump in there was other productions and documentaries and the other stuff in between but that's how it kind of worked into there are certain things that i see in your films in the left left behind films and other gonna quote rapture films and they follow some of the same beats as far as the rapture happens and then an an anti christ comes in and i'm curious as far as why do these stories follow the same plot as far as is coming from the bible bible is there are those parts of the bible yeah. It's it's very much from the bible and we got. We got that question. Half the lot from people there are different went interpretations as to the order of prophecy from the research. We've done in from the reading that i've done something well more versed than than a lot of if people <hes> having lived in this world that it lines up the most is the most literal interpretation of the bible not the virtual reality stuff but to do with the timing of okay. There's going to be an increase of war. There's going to be an increase in <hes> strange. Weather is going to be an increase in earthquakes. There's going going to be an increase in. It's not one of these happening isolation because there's always an earthquake so there's always been wars but it's not these things happening in just one area or in one in time but increasing at a great in the bible there draws an analogy that everyone understands it says it's like <hes> <hes> a woman being in labor that starts off slowly holy and that gets more and more intense than leads to lead up to a world war and then at that point tonight a cataclysmic cataclysmic event the vanishing the disappearance of millions and hundreds of millions of believers disappear and in that term will hello <hes>. There's a term called <hes> ruling by chaos or taking advantage of <hes> catastrophes is the anti christ that steps in and but he doesn't say hey. I'm the christ on satan incarnate. <hes> steps in a great man of peace in what he says is hey. I can bring world peace. He's i can help you through this very difficult situation and i'll prove it to you by doing what no one else has been able to do all ushering the seven year peace treaty in in the middle east and anyone today would watch ridiculous. It's never going to happen. You have one side that sworn we will never rest until you're gone and the other side saying this is our land we're never moving and so he brings in an actual real peace because everyone believes it but at the at the at the mid point of that three and a half years in he suddenly revealed is very different side of himself introduces the mark of the beast is and it says you can't buy or sell with at this market going back many years given possible technology technology didn't exist how you look at technology today and cash disappearing and everything online and your phone is connection. You've <hes> microchips now that would very easily be able to and in many cases are being fitted under the skin. You can either today in certainly in terms of the knowledge of who believes what online if if someone looks at you know what i do for example you could know for sure okay conservative christian you know where i living for sure what i'm going to believe how i think so certainly the astronauts zine dot kind of post-apocalyptic our introduction to the post apocalyptic big brother government type world that you know the bible prophesized aside so yeah the reason that it's very much the same as because all taken from the same source when you originally started to approach revelation. Did you guys already have in your mind. This is going to be a trilogy or did you kind of say. Let's see how this first one dies and then see if we can carry on with it very much. Let let's just make the best movie we possibly can when we did apocalypse if the production budget was one dollar the marketing budget was five dollars. They really focused focused on the market marketing and how to get there and it really paid off as we produce more more movies. The production budgets came up in the marketing budgets came down and i think a little bit to were a detriment because when the market budgets fall off people don't know about it and even though the movies by administration we're getting better and better and better the sales dell's weren't necessarily reflecting that and at the end of the day. It's an entertainment business. If you're not being profitable on your last movie you're not making another movie at least not with your on money. One of the big <hes> rules of filmmaking don't use their own money to make these movies but we were because the previous movies i'd done well enough that we could so the success of apocalypse funded the success of judgment funded research the the next movie tribulation which funded judgments and left behind was the biggest biggest success with them. All you need to be able to deliver on that. Fund and marketing is certainly a big part of that so <hes> no we we hadn't planned into to do sequels at the time that we were doing revelation corbin bernsen for people who are our age. We all remember him as being a lawyer anneli law what was it like directing him as a lawyer having him returned to that role for judgment and something i said earlier you know if you calf the role properly seventy five percent of your work is done as a as a director and <hes> corbin is one of my my best experiences in terms terms of directing and they'll say on a personal side corbin king onto the set at someone who asked a ton of questions about his character he really wanted to know about his character really asked the same questions that you're asking this really in the bible. This is really prophesized lines up and so every day we had a question answer period of this in in fact some of the stuff he broads and the his questions ended up actually in the script <hes> because i had written it and i was encouraging him to own the role. Take it on and he was like well. You know i'm asking these questions and putting god on trial if i was really putting on trial this is what i would ask. This is the problem. I have with god and he was coming from. I don't don't wanna say in <hes> agnostic raciest point of view but he certainly wasn't a believer and so he was asking very real very honest personal questions and i i am a believer in so i believe there are answers to all those questions and if you are opposing with an honest mind in your honestly looking into it's not just what supports your worldview but honestly will allow that there could be truth to these answers <hes> it can change your life and so <hes> i mean he was asked questions we put them some road and some of the questions questions he's asking <hes> in that courtroom of the kristen how how hannah or of the anti christ where his and conversely same thing with the defense attorney jessica steen who is a wonder to work which is wonderful but with them broad a lot to those roles and certainly being arnie becker l._a. Law asks just because you knew he could pull it off. He knew he'd just so believable. You seem like yeah absolutely he's that lawyer and some of his performances <hes> especially in the jail the things and in the courtroom seems something that looked back on. You know not that happy with those ones. I'm like wow. I'm so happy with the performances we got. What was it like working with if mr t. mississippi is one of the sweetest guys he obviously was not long after eighteen and growing up with with the eighteen starstruck. It was interesting onset. The crew that i work with <hes> very experienced. Toronto crew grips gaffer's set design. They had you know worked with tom. Cruise and julia roberts that these people do not get star struck because they've seen everyone and worked with just about everyone and yet somehow they struck by mr t. because even though he wasn't this you know oscar winning actor even though he wasn't this big name person <hes> he came name onset and people started humming the eighteen teams there that the the whole the whole crew would pick it up and he and he laughed and he found his hilarious malaria when he laughs for such a big kind of imposing guy and he's still had the milwaukee and the chains and all the rest he covers his mouth <hes> in a very polite way and turns away laughing like a little kid like it's really cute and he's so polite he he wasn't well at the time that we were <hes> shooting with him he was dealing with cancer and so never once complained with the longer days or anything like that i do have to say that it was very evident after meeting him and realizing the v._a. Barack the clubber lang that you see is the him. He speaks in that very gruff way so my character her that i'd written would deliver a line was supposed to deliver line like there's something happening in the courtroom. You've gotta go check it out right now and it changed into you. Gotta go right now. Just everything became a lot puncher and a lot shorter and it was how would mr t. the j. t. character became mr team. It wasn't a case of mr t. trying to be that character. It was who he was there. Were certain things like he came on and said there's <hes> mr g don't even talk about let himself from the second person which was funny you say mr t. don't do rollerblading. He don't do love scenes and it was like all right. We're good. I don't have your roy blaming. We're not doing a lot of things we're good so <hes> yeah it was it was great to work with them and <hes> really honest lovable kind individual. One of our crew members got hurt while we were filming. We didn't even know this. The next day the guy the crew remember back on set and told us that mr t. had gone and visited him in the hospital and the guy was the biggest fan of the entire crew which is saying something and he will any woke woke up in his hospital room was visiting him so yeah very genuine real individual. What are some of your favorite memories of working on. These backlogs films films. It's really the the people you probably have to get a sense of it. The the memories of working with the different actors with the different crew with georgia's and the talk offer was kind of my right hand man through <hes> all of those a pocket series films <hes> except the first one was a great memories in strangely enough enough the real challenges <hes> something that doing no no one else would know would be there's a story between behind not just every scene but behind every single single shot low budget filmmaking is resumed for challenging beer is a challenge to do with every single shot whether it's to do with the light or the weather or to do with the budget or to the sap. It's falling down or to do with animals on side or to do with noise when we got a bigger budget. You can say oh this next day or we're pushed us saw or money can say can solve a lot of problems. We had none of that. We had one take to do a car crash. We'd wanted to do an explosion within one take even to do any sort of excite sequence. It was just don't have the time. You don't have to watch trying to solve things different ways so there's a lot of little scenes and shots that i would. I love it. They were done differently but i can tell you why they weren't because at the time we wanted to do it another way or we're trying to do another way but we we couldn't. We had to do it this way because is there was other things in em- play. Some of the one takes that's not because it was suddenly hey <hes> artistic vision. We're going to be wanting goes because we're running out of light. You'd be of no talk. Began to go is a motif. All the way through the will government has this pyramid symbol. That's all the way through in the background in everything well. When we were shooting judgment the joke was that we had a pyramid like a physical sort of pyramid thing that would sit out there but we can only afford two sides. I did it so we can never shoot from the back side because it was hollow. How could we not afford a third side of the stupid thing and the crew was great because they said look we're saving money wherever we can and if you're not shooting the backside of it but of course it's like well i wanna see the backside so we have to wait out the water and turn the stupid thing around so we could see the other side of it so you know there's all these kind of things that no one else would know that we're somehow dealing with something. It's at this point looking back. It's a fond memory because somehow <hes> we'll we'll be got. It and we still had those kind of what we call. Magic moments that just so many things would come together whether it was a great performance or the light just seem to hit just right or we didn't have money for a wet down which is wedding the street so it looks all glistening but somebody just rains and so we get a natural sort of went down and so there's always really kind of great great moments that are just really special. When are you up to these days. I'm working full time as a communications director for a multi trade union christian in labor association of canada. It's a very different union as the name implies. Were not an evangelical organization. We don't <hes> share the gospel or anything like that. We do however our labor relations upon christian social principles so fairness equity justice and we bring that to the workplace and <hes> treat everyone fairly and one of the biggest differences between us and i'd say just about every other union is that in treating everyone with fairness ernest respect also treating the employer with fairness and respect not just the employees. It's a real kind of win win approach to labor relations where if one side is doing well other side will also do well. I'm doing that as <hes> as a full-time job. However i am still working within the entertainment <hes> world <hes> still doing some writing for <hes> some tv series as well as a few features and then also doing some voice direction for another another <hes> series so it's nice that other very consistent safe <hes> paycheck in a job that i love. It's also nice that i get to <hes> be creative creative work in that world of entertainment. It sounds like you have a lot of plates spinning all at the same time. We'll very cool. Thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate this. Thanks mike if you have any other questions or anything you can think of <hes> don't hesitate and the ancient ally prices. We will rain a family to heart. Don't miss what i'm saying struggling so enters at your problem. You believe all that stuff is really great. Tribulation cloud ten pictures probably presents galley lucy z. margot kidder and mcmahon coup so inspiring with olympic tribulation without mercy with hate. Oh anne show i'm your mark. Faith must stand alone saying prayers to relation notes faith. Uh all right we're back and we're talking about the apocalypse quartet and we're moving onto tribulation a spoiler alert. This is my favorite of all of these films. This is probably the one. I've watched the most as in twice yeah this is. This is a pretty special one. I think b._c. Is a high point unfold them but also any film that <hes> starts with a christian lady forcing a child to himself because he's doing some magic. I kept waiting for the pissing the comeback in this movie. I thought for sure that would have been a thing especially because that character eileen who later is played by margot kidder she disappears from the movie and nobody can remember for her except for gary busey and howie mandel and i loved saying that gary busey and howie mandel are in this movie but that i thought for sure like oh. Don't you remember that was the time um you pissed yourself now. Wait a minute wait. A minute. I is is the little brother howie mandel or the little brother the other guy 'cause. I thought howie mandel was gary. Bucy's wife's bro yeah you. Ah harry mandel doesn't come back. It doesn't come into the narrative until adult time so the two the two kids are you see kills early and like halt attack the macaluso in v._r. Guy yeah yeah okay. I feel like i've been super patient to talk about. Bananas and water water and i feel like now is sort of my my moment and i just i just i i need. I'm gonna put out to you guys what i heard them say and i need you to help help me on picket a little bit okay. According to howie mandel character in science monkeys are on an island and they don't don't recognize bananas in the peels yet the foundation of this argument that monkeys don't recognize bananas n._p._r. I don't think the monkeys are interacting with bananas. A toll on either side of the volcano the divide avoids the island down the middle until the scientists on each side of the volcano decided to introduce bananas but for some reason the monkeys come on amazon unless the scientists peel them because they can't smell them how he says okay so i'm sure because as we all know it's the appeal works like a vacuum seal on banana. Let me just let me just in case people haven't seen. I just need to say what the gist of the story is and then. I need someone else to give me more details on. Let me ask you a question calvin. Have you ever heard of doctor emerald fukumoto yeah no. Have you ever heard of the aisle nancy. No that's no accident sure. This may be one of the biggest discoveries in the history of this world but the powers that be were really. Are you keep it quiet or go to discoveries. Okay listen to this in one research. Project are on this island discovering the behavior mondays at this just as an any no. This one's what's different. This one is a huge hanoch mountain the fighting right down the middle. You couldn't in one side or the other help. Now these guys they're laying out all right for the monkey wanted to come out of the trees onto the beach where the a c instead of behavior problems for much of course the fruit beach ardiden more fan because appeal than they are right until one very smart monkey comes in he has an idea kidding and i it doesn't take long for this to catch on long beach aren't doing their bananas and you see all right so you know whether he proved by that monkey see monkey do are. There's a lot more to it than that. He cuts one day one more. He sees what all the other monkeys are doing and he decides to give it a try in cabbage does take that various all the monkeys over here on this start. Doing it really really only that all around. The world monkey started you into all such as cool as in cram crown think about the possibilities get enough people think about world peace but why are the bananas on the ground because the scientists. I don't care about monkeys table or something. I don't understand. He's a fun thing that goes in the face of religion bananas have through selective breeding a form of evolution become so high in sugar they can no longer be fed into monkeys and say monkeys <unk> give employees lines instead of bananas because bananas sugar monkeys in captivity now the the idea is and this is is kind of the basis for the like just the garden of eden was the basis of the second this one sort of plays the two things that the tariff able which they kind of refer to a few times times but doesn't seem to play too heavily into it and they had a very terrible internal props making department at the wish demon maids the tariff able it. Was it the there's a there's a lot of <hes> like tech like scotts. Demons doing doing doing the menial making work but yet the idea carries that on one side of the volcano with as new communication between the two different gangs of monkeys that one monkey teaches all the other monkeys specifically like shows owes them demonstrates to them how to dip monkey and how did it out of an honor incensio water and then when all of those monkeys no that's enough monkeys to <hes> for the other monkeys on the other side of the volcano to ultimately learn <unk> because of collective consciousness and that is what macaluso macaluso is saying and that goes into ends up going into the fourth movie as well about like we all need to just one well pace and then they'll be well paced but actually it's it's we all need to be in league with the devil and then we win because everyone will be so but wait a minute then shouldn't be the all of the monkeys wanted clean bananas and suddenly thought spontaneously tamie save about how to wash the bananas at the same time one though because i think they have to be working towards clean bananas and apparently salty wet bananas is as good as monkeys deserve. I oh man i need like an aspirin. My favorite moment in that whole scene fantastic as howie mandel ruining that breakfast is comes in slashes. The title is how into the story gary d._c.'s. It's the first seen he's going to say and he is grinning like he's just found. A massive product with his reaction is is i really that's cool yeah. I'm into this so this is. This is my wife slightly crazy brother. We let him sort of run out of steam and then caisley. Usually we walk him in the soft room but other than that we just let him tucker himself. Out of both families live in this house together right now. It's like a holiday thing like a family dinner on holiday. Now i think they're having like a family member then later on one of them's reading a book in the living room in the middle of the night and then gary b._b._c.'s got his commitment ring and it's the family's house it's like because that's the same house that his brother is selling when he goes back but it was their parents house and so the no i don't know. I don't think they'll listen to what i'm telling you. What feels like howie mandel lives. There feels like he's the crazy <hes> brother-in-law in the attic or something. He's got the wichita board and stuff yet. He's definitely had some time to make up that crazy nonsense and so basically he is like deciphering the bible code. Remember when there was the big craze about the bible code the the it's it's because of the whole davinci code stuff was because <hes> <hes> what was his name he right davinci code dan brown there you go is because <hes> because because when when that novel went to number one and it was all the codex and all this kind of stuff in it dan brown had taken just enough from actual like bible code nonsense insult to we'll basically do these films do is that get bought by christian and then people go a little bit bonkers over this movie to me. It's it's kind of a retelling of they live. I see that i actually i'm with you on you. That's that's a very good connection. I mean we've got the homeless thing and there we've got excuse gary abuse on the run. We've got the v._r. Stuff in here in the whole satellite uplink kind of thing. I mean it just in this movie really they threw me because it is both a prequel and sequel in the exact same film because during during the early part of busey's wife calls helen poland and she's still working at w. n. and i'm just like wait what's going on and and they mentioned macaluso at the beginning. I was like what world is this and then gets into this horrific car accident. He wakes up with this amazing. Fake appeared in head of hair he i liked the fact that before he goes out the door he's told to drive if safe and he says l. button mice seat belt which you know is like take six. It's the first in line that got out of dc and they're like fucking. It'll do there's something ironic about being an auto accident. I know it's not a motorcycle but it still it. There's something there it was. What was it like he has his he suffered his brighton injury. In the motorcycle accident and then later he says the line. I said earlier i have. I'm the one with a brain injury. It's like oh you pull. It's very reflexive. Now i loved. I loved that way. That week was good stuff. That was like that couldn't have been more of what year is is it too long. It was so rip van winkle. It was incredible. I like the idea that they've been keeping him in the hospital but nobody's bothered to shave him or cut his hair for like what ten years how long has it been. They didn't even help that other guy get his own outs. They must have exercised awesome because he doesn't seem to have too much trouble walking. There's no muscle atrophy fame with the help of god. All things are possible. I mean haven't you guys seen dead zone. Come on aw you know we've mentioned a lot of these sort of like did alive dead zone all this kind of stuff and it's there does often feel like the filmmakers have seen a lot of the genre films or maybe they're just sort of drawn the same tropes but it does feel reminiscent and a lot of ways but again that world feels so completely at all with the genre the the you know. I can't quite put those two duress buccaneers eighties in the u._k. I'm turn into what it was. I think it was top of the pulp used to put out like a sort of best of the year album had all the singles that had topped the charts but as a sort of a wade right storage they were cover versions they were so it was like a compilation of the best music but it was all done by other people and these movies feel like they've kind of done that with film tropes. It's like they've got significantly. Less able people ought to yeah to just do like i said of off brands montage of things from other films and then also the bible well like i said this is the movie that really introduces psychic abilities. I mean we've seen some like <unk> that teleportation levitation in these movies but this really really goes for it and there's this whole that you were talking about the tower able and the psychic guys in this area where i think there's an inverted pentagram above them. They start blasting out a message to the sky as a test and then howie mandel. Jason is his name in this movie. He is so open to psychic phenomenon that he picks up the same thing basically reenact this exact same scene at his house that this guy does at his apartment and one guy defended straits himself high mandel finish as himself but he jumps out through the ground floor and so he's kind of this this loose end end that needs to be fixed and then the guy comes to the hospital and starts talking at them. Though is he really there or is he just a figment of howie's imagination shen and it totally with the scott bald guy shooting the psychic messages at our mandl's head. I'm totally professor x yet. We've but we've also had the guy who the messages will meant full being able to tele kinetically retrieve a knife across a room like he he he brings a weapon to himself which b._c. is b._b._c.'s. I like moments of doubt. Embassy is the non believer in this one. He's the one who doesn't want to go to church with. His is his wife. I sister thank thank you yeah because margot kidder is the uber christian and that's the story with this movie's apparently and i don't know how much i believe this that margot kidder hitter in howie mandel. We're like well. We didn't know this was a christian movie and i'm like you are spouting so much bible nonsense in this has no excuse because he's in the whole the film <hes> although his character does lighter. He's the only one who leaves when they're like who is willing to die for the bible and how i'm out later guys whereas mogo gets captured so she's not in anything alster the call crush so i guess maybe she has a little bit more. One of the prime things that could are objected to which is fair enough was the implication that if your loved one is hearing voices <hes> definitely don't take them to a hospital spital definitely take them to church <hes> because obviously she has some one on one experience with with mental health struggles in this kind of thing in the importance of staying on your medication and i think for her to find out that just just mere moments after her seen the film is wholeheartedly endorsing getting someone breaking someone out of the hospital to get them to church rather than letting doctors. Give them medication like how i wanna go home and then like we should take him home. The dogs looks like we had to tie him down. This guy is dangerous. He's talking to people that aren't there granted. They are cyanic projections within his ahead but yeah to anybody else and there was one part where the doctor comes up. News is like listen. I gotta show you something and then show them pictures of how his brain and i just like. I thought you were going to take him to broome and say look at this guy. Look look how crazy is. He's like guys you know her. We only use ten percent of o'brien and they're like oh yeah. That's the thing that's definitely that's a real thing is is one of those things that's just like a twisted in fact that's not quite true. There's nothing there's nothing that indicates. We only use ten percent of her brain or at a time or anything like that. It's one of those bits besides has been twisted her out loads of this but loads of this movie is based on this is like the the filmmakers bang. This is the dumb stuff that christians non-christians think all this is like here are some things we can disprove easily like over the arguments made by atheists in this movie arguments written by christians. Christian characters can win like so everyone. Everyone in this film is wrong in some way well but you you said it while we were watching them. You said it's it's easy for the christians to win the arguments when the writing both solids yeah and that's it very much feels like it a lot of these places that the argument is being written by by by both sides really at the end of the day. Will you undertook about something funny to me as well. Which is i talked about. How you know oh my god alien abduction. That's ridiculous. The other thing is when the sister gives howie a crystal to protect him and i. I was just like oh now. We're going against the new age. People okay because because of that we will take no prisoners. I like the idea. I like the idea that in the post because this is all post apocalypse is by this point post russia russia. I love the post rapture her. We've got <hes> no no. It's not pissed. Rupture prematurely crystal the crystals pre rapture. It is because howie mandel is in the bed and then it's when he gets in the car go drive home that he has the car wreck on which is a very <hes> like sort of a walking dead sort of opening. You've got you've got. The guy wakes up and everything's changed and he doesn't know what's going on and it's a bit the daughter that that's what i'm saying earlier. It's day of the twentieth exactly y- it they've taken things that are staples and then dunham was my favorite bits in the hospital. <hes> is is when the b._b._c.'s like. I'm gonna go visit autopsy going on. I'm out of here. I'm sure that's an ad lib. Yes yeah beauty. Leave sex it. Listen andre i like what you're doing but cannot see that autopsy now. Somebody told me i could see a real man. Get cut open. If i came to work today feels feels. It feels definitely like he is. He's got a different agenda. I think to most humans i any given time we'll end. This is the will abuse like if you were there instead of me. You're a christian and that was this one where it's like. I don't believe in god but i think that this could be one of those things because i think probably it's more what it does again. The inconsistencies run rampant. It's a lightly i liked that we have a revised mark of the beast in this wine and the the previous one of just six six written on your hand and in this one on it's the <hes> the the pyramid of the masonic pyramid. That's there instead and i'm like come on. Stay stay on brand here i like to do they revised yeah. I like that. It's like it's the it's a hand stamp two point. Is this season's hands down that well yeah it's like when a company rebrand and they have to let everyone know you know new new names great taste taste the same great sadness never rebels and they have to go back to real mark of the the classic in the second movie is when they introduce a winnie and i don't think they ever say what it means until this movie the one nation earth earth. I think it says one nation on the c._d. Okay movie but yeah but it but they don't. They don't really explain much but the the i said to jan i think that the filmmakers mike is confused being oblique with being intelligence <unk> with roy being the just like oh and then hey. We have a double trip across the in here. We have some stuff. There's there's no way you could have just all over the place. They just don't expect anything and yeah so we've got buick coming back. Looking like reform winkle manages to get get shaved down and everything and it's this whole thing of him. Try you know it's it's. It's very much the opposite. I guess if they live don't put on the glasses. You don't want to put on the glasses because then you'll get the market will be so he has to run around and try to pretend like he's got the mark in his hands in his pockets. At all time goes goes into the one store and there's this big glory to mand sign and the guy welcomes them with glory to man and it's just like oh yeah don't put man before it's a soul secular that the secular message you know don't be a secularist. Don't depend on yourself. You have to depend on god well and it sort of this made me question shen actually whether or not bird box was doing a sort of a rapture thing because the the idea that when you look into the the headsets -sego bonkers i mean yeah exactly it feels like it was established in the last one but is even more so now although the people who put on the headset in this becomes significantly again less immediately evil than they did in the last one like missed a one in the hospital puts on the thing and he goes from being high. Oh wow i've been pretending to be asleep for months. Months is bullshit. I'm glad you're awake. You have to pretend to be asleep to everything is everything is terrible and then have the headset uncle my own back. He's only for that ah but like all he does is knock gary visa he doesn't he doesn't like to talk when in doubt narcan gary i think that's like chaotic neutral narking on gaby's arabi saying i think going back to the glory to gold shopkeeper you stink. He's got a he's gonna talion special forces assault shotgun do you. What do you think he got back. It's set in the future they had been. They've been revoked from sale in the state's like three years before this movie he was released. This is reality interesting land. This is like why do they actually have this weapon. That's outlawed. Wasn't they. Have a spas twelve say probably got on a gun show. Oh man with with its code stock on the top of it. The you know that wade hook. It's called is so you can fire it singlehanded leaning out of a moving vehicle. Oh holy shit. I wonder if they sell any of these. D._v._d.'s at gun shows. I wonder if there's like a christian d._v._d. Section at gun shows that feels like italian that would be valuable. I wonder i wonder if one of their financial sponsors was arms dealer and they just got older guns for trade world discount just like their videotapes and bibles probably wouldn't have been allowed back on set but i did a picture with nicholas cage earlier this year l. I really wanted to ask him about life but i did have my mouth shots shaw yeah i kept my mouth shut majo- speaking of <hes> guns with this for whatever reason with this scene gene i was reminded of the scene in the terminator where he goes to buy the gun from dick miller the guns. I should say and that reminds me of something that we didn't talk about in the last movie which was parker parker. Macaluso left hand man being able to do the terminator thing and the us fahey's wife and daughters voices on the phone on us amazing chance obvious double science feels like that's something. That's something that demons get as a superpower. All the time is being able to do fake voices that the thing is that it's like he can do that but it doesn't work like he's like i mean it's hard to hear it but i know it's not them. It's fine like it doesn't actually so that there are loads of ideas that do not progress in these movies and that's and that's one of them. There's no even a you'll dog is dead. Your parents are dead like what's up with whoopie. He just doesn't buy it is just like yeah. I'm kind of come around to the whole repertoire today. By this point. I know that's one then and then when he sees them. It's sort of like already. It's like we've been down this route. It's like you know it's <hes> i mean if if if you showed them to me but when the voice is still on the fence like maybe i would have gum for it but now i'm sliding your tricks satan so we have those same group of haters again. Sorry i can't even say can't hating they just continue to hate which in this film means love because it's opposite day so we're back with helen now and the kind of tubby guys there of course the blind girl who has no longer blind. She's out of here as well as be now but we have <hes> mrs davis from the previous film is here as well and now we've got busey joining up with kind of howie mandel is kinda there but then yeah but then there's a part where in the guy comes in and i love this guy who actually isn't spoilers. He's not an honest guy but he certainly acts like it and that he starts denigrating the bible and he's just like a bunch of ignorant fishermen wrote this and i'm just like is this what they really believe that anybody believes that it was actually actually be actual. Disciples wrote the gospels and the dudes living in the middle east in zero were named matthew a few more clear. It's that was that was a moment that released it out for me as well. The the the the idea that that's an insult is well how how so <hes> how socialist and cap in classicist to think that being a fisherman is in some way bad it go to the movie as well when they're talking about like the <hes> <hes> the witnesses to christ and they most best dimmer really good people and then like. I don't think the disciples are good people. That will say garbage. I trust them. They all denounce christ you did mention calvin smell a real estate magnate who doesn't remember eileen whatsoever does remember the margot go kidder character whatsoever and she's missing from the photos and just like okay why what is going on here but then of course we have the have gabe usa going back to that tree that we saw at the very very beginning where i lean was carving in her name and her two brothers names and that's when he hooks up with jason again the howie mandel character and mandel embassy onscreen at the same time together. It is just glorious one of my favorite things about that is because as we stated earlier howie mandel. He's not the opening scene. Howie mandel has no business knowing without trees and it is a piel coincidence that he finds gave you see that tree. This was my hiding tree. How'd you find me ear right and i like i like the in whatever world this is. The devil is able to do basic telepathic photoshop but as far as sanding down a tree stump. That's not that's not as far as his in down a tree well no because the god is protecting the tree. God was always go to protect. The tree is margot hitter. Margaret marketer did the gold magic while her brother was paying and so so yes the tree is protected but you could still sand it down down in a race or like putty over it like there's things that could have been done if he can photoshop his sister from a picture. It just feels a little bit. It's as pete. He's picking his battles. I i don't know amkor helen gets captured at one point in this movie and she gets the headset put honor so she has a one on one macaluso and was it just my copy or does the the matrix look really bad in this version compared to the last one yes. It's not it's it's not particularly good but she <hes> but but the other thing is that she was able to sneak a physical object from the real world into the matrix. Which is you know. Their entire plan hinged on that may be working and i love this whole idea to that when it becomes macaluso matrix in this whole day of wonders v._r. Set thing you know you were talking about spe- no take doing that sado-masochistic thing and scratching that shell across his chest and then when it becomes the macaluso version now if you die in the matrix die for real yeah well because that's that one line of code that they get all excited about in the <hes> in the in the second one is that the one line code is the thing it takes it from being virtual reality and real reality as you say if you live in and that's another truck business. It's joined a guy and you don real life. That's that's another another thing they just kind of borrowed. He turned the safeties off and which is which is it it goes back to that on your lawnmower. Man logic actually is that the sort of like how does electric say nobody. Nobody needs to know it's fine. Don't worry about it. There's not a lot of people questioning. The logic of this fell and the only thing that's in in her matrix is amazing. Guillotine prop that we've seen a few times now with the <hes> the all seeing i i love that full full is such a a blatant cash grab. These movies are really down on the graphic design of the dollar bill. Do they object against the whole in god. We trust on the money yeah. It's weird hasn't made it into their branding. They're just really concentrated on the pyramid they do have. They do have a lot of obsession with like commerce though don't because again going back to the whole like unless you how how's the mar- you can't buy and sell you can't the like it's it feels like somewhere. Someone is trying to make a connection to capitalism. I'm an e evil but it doesn't ever feel like it really gets. There doesn't feel like their hearts are in. It really is what i mean. The the capital criticism northern lutherans are in it. That's her big. That's the big cliffhanger isn't it in. I was gonna say episode three <hes> of in episode victory is the or or dearest helen. <hes> is willing to go be with god which is not a punishment is the thing like th that's the that's one of the things that is interesting about the full film to jump ahead slightly is that they kind of acknowledge that actually is probably best for her to get headed by the devil because then she gets to gotta heaven like the reason she's in number. Four is because michalis like you didn't think it would be that easy to do and catches it. Betwixt stomach full finke anga catches the blade of the guillotine which is which is a little bit like almost wants to be pit in the pendulum but not quite as some very very dubious logic behind the saving the life of <hes> of hallam in this franchise about like sacrificing people and it being a baton exciting and then they just put in prison which is fine apparently but rep tribulation real quick which is almost the the exact same ending as the previous one because this one is busey was the non believer and at the very end of it. He's just like it's kind of a christmas christmas carol ending. I'm surprised like reach out a window and be like your that boy. What day is it but it's instead. It's like what what what day is like sunday's i- i- somewhere i gotta be so he takes exhale his wife over to this abandoned church and then he he had this whole thing where you had to put a new ring on her finger. I'm guessing this is maybe like a symbolism. I'm for born again christianity because he s- he said a thing of the beginning about the fact that he couldn't afford her a nice ring when they got married so this is him because he's wearing a ring when he puts the ring on a finger at the end. She's already going on that fingers. I think i think in the pre in the flashback in the in the middle flashback back it's hard to say <hes> a pre apocalypse in this <hes> he shows i think he shows in the ring and it's it's blaney. He says i could never yeah he says here. I've got something on your show so so he was and he he had the ring in his pocket to show and it's the same ring he gives her at the end so nobody what am i know i know it wasn't so but so the <hes> i like the the idea that he had it on him in the hospital and they just never took it all for them. As you get to the hospital back to the house it was still in the house when when he when his brothers <unk> levitating headsets getting heart attack that's when he goes back to the house. It's a it's a it's a it's a sort of renewal lavalle slash story. I couldn't get you nice ring. When we got married so if there's one thing christian aids care about its playing and so we end that one with having his little heart to heart with god which is pretty fantastic today the world watches as the biggest trial history begins reporting from the one nation earth of the justice of the biggest trial in history defending helen hannah for crimes against you. Maybe i'm not making myself clear. I'm not asking imagine in a world ruled by one man. I want everyone on the one side you have in mind set a precedent setting case where the only justice in his justice is this. You scripted this entire. Trial cases for the entire world cases good for you a few still fight for what they believe what pledge allegiance you realize haircut thinking you've hiding evidence could cost them. Their lives. People say nathan our new leader is evil. Helen hana's one of these people. Do you believe we plead not guilty. Imagine the greatest trial in history on the charge of hatred threat of the human race helen. Hannah must be found guilty. We're one woman is to become his example. If we execute how enhance we're going to create a martyr. I wanna be another man is forced to seal her fate. You're gonna be great. You're about to die for some and the resistance. He's sir only hoping to kill these we do about it only takes me with a possible good people to do <music> carbon brinson jessica st mr t. nick mancuso judgment number four judgment starts off with a combination v._o. And flashback and i'm not even sure who's doing the via. I'm guessing maybe corbin bernsen a yeah. Maybe it was. I think the thing is without going back and rewatching. I wasn't flowing tuned into coburn's voice by that point so we were just confusion over the ring. I had to rewind and watch part to this over and over again because i was just like wait. What just happened like spoilers the death of mr t. that wasn't the death. I'm just like wait. How did he survive getting getting a hand grenade thrown at him by those digital kobe boxes. Okay was his name mr mr t. in this as well j._t. Yeah and i think they call him t for short because j. T. is just too much of a mouthful and because he didn't turn around when he you said j. t. j._t. J._t. For fox x t oh yes mr t. Comi j i <hes> man. He definitely didn't see mike. He knew where he was. He was. I thought he was actually actually like within the parameters of his career. I think he was one of the ones who has more on pulling his acting like you got what you wanted with. Mr taylor was doing exactly the same thing. You've done it. Talker it mr team. Mr cheated all over the place. I'm not sure that it was necessarily totally on in keeping with the rest of the film. Although this film was a patchwork of town so i was a big fan of him basically being like we've tried it a peaceful white. Let's just fucking kill. Everyone and that's his whole motivation the whole i mean they just keep cutting back to him and he's just like come on now. Let's go and it's just like what it's like because basically this movie is two movies in one. There's the corbin bernsen movie and there's the mr t. movie and i thought never the twain shall meet but at one point they finally do. It's like almost an hour into it and they finally elite cross cross work but then again they split up and become their own movies again and i can't get out of my mind that corbin bernsen is just a poor man's gene hackman in this film. I desperately desperately just wanted it to be gene hackman in that courtroom going. You've got to tell them you believe well of course growing up on l._a. Law i just like oh. It's arnie. He's back exactly this is actually he's actually playing the same character they've just changed his name and he oviously didn't i like others is apparently a shortage of lawyers in the rapture though as as roma money i like how the entire legal system steve is like nope. They were good guys after all okay <hes> but <hes> but computer engineers. There's a lot of those who remained behind. It was very much as you say. It was sort of like a watered-down episode of of l._a. Law or something but then suddenly cutting back to like out cuts from an eighteen episode the corum stuff is one of the reasons this film is so confusing because we'll watch courtroom dramas we will have a kind of lug and then this follows none of those rules and mission. It's it's like well. This is a show trial like where we're gonna written it scripted. We want the outcome. It's trial trial scripted but it does not follow the the first star. I don't tend to have like an amphitheater seating for just general members of the public very tequila mockingbird you know with the whole whole audience up above and looking down into the court proceedings it very much is one of those <hes> hospital theaters isn't it. It's very much like a hospital theater but then but then it sort of reminds me of like science fiction councils like you get you know like in star wars or star trek you end up with the council is sitting around in judgment with the tables on the ground in the sort of theater in the round with the with the spectators in the courtroom acting as the audience as well but i mean who we're they putting the show trial on four that wouldn't as the beginning they say like <hes> macaluso is complaining about the <unk> getting conversions at the same. I'm right that used to he's like people killed everybody but also like people knocking on their families as much as they used to the rule really apathetic and so they're like well. We need to stir up. Some outrage against the haters and the best way to do that is to do a big shug trial. You're absolutely right because there is that whole the the young son bit at the beginning with the father having knocked on his young son and then we learn later that core been knocked on his dad but he never really knocked because his only affect tattoo well soto of yeah but he's so he's probably still go as far as i can tell stuffed into an incinerator and that was the first show trial apparently the most famous troll of all time but probably only the last trial they've ever had like no no no no but they do say that he's put haters away. Oh no it's only like a hater away before so when they say you've put haters away before they mean haters singular rather than all that makes a big difference actually so he's he's been not doing trials for ages. I don't know what he's doing. Culprit low brow the first time we see him. He's he's consulting with a woman who doesn't have a mark doesn't wanna get a mark and basically trying to get like into the i underground or something and then that other lower woman just burst into the room and it's just like wow don't you know that that's his ex girlfriend as well. We find laser. Isn't it so like she's a expertise. I think just ex girlfriend but maybe that's why but anyway access. She's super entitled all the way through but she she knows his mock is fake and she's holding over the only reason he goes through the show. 'cause he blackmails him that he she knows he has a fake ma the this is the girl who is in the chair is our i can't tell if it's about irish accent aww i'm so overwhelmed by i don't know if it goes all the way around and comes back or not <hes> but she ends up being one of the non-believing haters eaters because she and her boyfriend just won't foods. She's hater boyfriend. Just want some rocky road ice cream. He is super obsessed with chocolate. I think he needs to get his blood sugar act because he is he is row concerned with food all the way she is described as having computer skills which if the two lost ourselves anything is going to be pivotal i know now i know this is a really silly thing but they only describe it as computer skill like every time they say it. They say she's got computer skill and i was like which one will but it turns actually it's all you need to be able to hack into that like that. List of people who have been converted is very basic excel spreadsheet control act it. This movie does not abide by its own logic by any stretch and immagination. There's a moment where the girlfriend victoria authorities are name is says to him like be surprised when i shoot you and a guy bursts in later with a knife and i was like wait what yeah i remember that i was yet because just before they go into the courtroom. She says don't be surprised. What i shoot you were surprised what she ears of. They and it's like oh man and did we just figure out that the whole thing is super meta a bit forgetful and when they say the whole courtroom scene with scripted it really was scripted but the being unscripted with scripted and she was he's always going to do that. Then of course corbin bernsen goes off script and says that he wants to put god on trial so immediately. I'm thinking of those like horrible. God's not dead movies and i'm like oh for fucks sake. I was very very let down. The law in uncle jesus to the stand was in the trailer and i feel the that was alive because they were just the he could. Nobody come to the staff rather than that. We were going to get christ on this dat that i was really hoping for that as well i really if there's a movie that's going to do it. I thought for sure the doors were gonna open. Holy light comes out but nope hair blowing in the breeze. Sorry i was getting a perm when they are swearing there obviously than swearing on a bible is that like the constitution institution is that the rule of man being higher than the horns on it does have dental holds on it but in the first movie they talk about the fact that he's got a new constitution for the whole world and so that will be what what do they call it the black verse or something but his the satanic mass but i don't think it is. I think it's dunkel each other. We need pace like the constitution is that they're going to the first movie which seems like a decent thing to for us to to swear on and then you get then you get the two christian within here like i will not the like okay well. You don't gotta bunt. You have my word that i'm telling the truth. <hes> the the demons are like little do these haters. They don't lie why that's one thing. I'll say about him. Inherently untrustworthy demons will definitely we'd like if there's one thing we know is that christians still treat so we'll go along with its i like how in her the opening speech the evil loyality of icky has brought a prop like all witha yes that is fantastic just bus out like a massive bit of what it turns out. There is zero security <unk>. This course given how easily codes just brings it a fully loaded revolver. I feel like the order was like she was on her way in she she was rushing in. She left her notes for her opening argument but she still had some of her kit from her weekend of kayaking and she's like you know what i was doing. This also loved the culpa milton that uses the over. His face uses the his opening argument. I imagine her like no. No that's all you can use. Take a very possessive improv. Group macaluso at one point shows up in just like hey put me on the stand but <hes> make sure that i go last because i like to have the last word and then again they call more people and i'm sitting there going wait. I thought macaluso wanted to have the last word i think the screen screenwriter's forgot what they don a law in this crap i think they just kept writing until they hit ninety pages than they wrapped it up but then bunsen remembering this promise kohl's macaluso a second talking. I like the i like the idea. That was the actor who remembered he was like no no no. We have to bring him back in like okay. We can do another day for the first two movies for the second and third movie for the last two movies. This is <hes>. I've been just annoyed. The fact that people haven't been just like using shafi to put six six six on the back of the hand and then mr t. like gets a tattoo of the mock on the back of his hand and i'm like man that's using using the o'brien bucks you figured it out and then immediately wish in benson's tattoo which is a sticker that seems to have a microchip chip underneath it and he says they can scan it and they'll read it and it'll show up israel which instantly undermines mr tease yeah. It's like poor mr t. he he went through all that to get the tattoo had the pay that guy on that money he's had the the nineteen twenties russian strongman that he's not to then also hacked the excel spreadsheet for him. Yeah he pays him like some <unk> a small number of coins and then immediately gets mud. It's forty pieces of silver. I think something like that yes it was it was weird that like again for all of this buying and selling of money that nobody of goods that no one can do without the symbol. I liked how affordable tattoos tattoos has become exactly like the only one type of thing in the world today. It's like okay well. How are people are going to get tattoos news over their tattoos of the devil. Take my sign. I already have gone. That's really easy no one with getting into heaven yeah. That's true that does go against libya casse. Doesn't it yes it does. Maybe that's the track. Maybe that's actually the trick for the devil is the getting the markets like tricks. You know you have attached to your never getting now. The one thing that we briefly touched on in previous films like i think fay he brings it up and then they bring it up here and they quickly dismiss. It is the whole problem of evil like they have this general come in from the wendy win the peace corps so that i'm wondering do christians hate the peace corps to because it's a globalist organization but anyway he comes in and they're like oh so what was the we're like before macaluso took power and he was like oh man it was bad there's ethnic cleansing thurs war poverty and i'm just like yeah and and now there's none of that stuff people who care about yeah. They're still still just a etel. A genocide just fly. We're only killing the bad people now before. There was a lot of just indiscriminate killing now. We're really sure we're just killing the bad people one of the one of the guys that's currently one of the guys is currently in competition to be the new prime minister of england. <hes> recently said that christians are now the most persecuted people in the world they are they get put in camps. They they get made fun of by us. You know it's horrible suck but his blood will come in its voluntary bible camp. Yes so much of the flavor of these movies is this whole idea of the persecution of christians was just like oh we are. The most persecuted is like well really are you. I think that's confusing with someone disagreeing with you with persecution russian people can disagree with you and not be persecuting you. It's a bit creepy cultural now how how that has become a thing how to disagree with someone is the same thing as attacking tacking them are persecuting them and it's just it just rural isn't you're gonna take away my bible and outlawed and then put me camps and put us in an incinerator generator and all these things. That's the next step. That's where we're headed with all this stunt you do whatever you want to stop telling people they kind of conduct with our embassies wouldn't that be nice in this general brings up this whole idea of all of these horrible things that were going on and it's this whole thing of like okay well if god exists. Why are all these horrible things happening why needed why do people get cancer. Why is there famine. Why is there war. Why are their natural disasters one of their car accidents scared beauty and it's just like all of this stuff. Love is preventable but it ends up taking macaluso to do this. I mean granted. Yes it's not a perfect world whatsoever. I mean we did just see a whole bunch of homeless. People get massacred secured but yeah and they keep on stuffing people's dad's into funnest people's children take one of my favorite bits is almost nice to meet ulcers. I think the second witness is is the spinoff cameo. Oh yeah then. He's got his own laugh track. I mean i'm just they're like ooh. Ooh yes or no come on. Kramer opens the door and it kind of reminds me of n._f._l. Suddenly the courtroom turns into jerry seinfeld eld stage like it's it's it's absolutely hilarious but also he's like look. When you walk you walk but like molin woke the austrian ten percent whoa came walking could be loud. Can you do allowed to demonstrate how much you're loving these new legs. Oh my god awed it's an and then he demonstrates that he's got telekinesis powers as well like he didn't just get his legs working. He got the ability to make people look like they wet themselves but tipping walter into that lacks lacks with his mind going back to the third yeah. It's just and keep in mind. That's his half sister. He does that too yeah well. The whole thing is he's. He's questioned in there like do. Do you love your sister and he's like not quite love loves a bit strong. Let's say hey take your concept of scale is awful if you think that a little likud less than love is a binary emotional switch it also. There's something felt very like schoolyard about it as well as i do. You love your sister. <hes> <music> knew what to kiss her on exactly like goading him like 'cause love is stupid. Looping well in this is the second one when <hes> when fell when burns and goes off track because he's like an did you love her. Befall all the rap <unk> goals and he's like. I mean i guess and then birds gets dragged into the boss's office and he's like you dick. Ask questions like that. It's like you could you let him on on the stud. You let me ask him questions. At the question i should not be <music> in trouble here and there when they call macaluso to the stand and victory authority outright just calls him lucifer. I was like wait win. Did we go from because we've called. The savior recalled the messiah. We call them the president all these things. What do we just outright. Just pull off the band aid and call him lucifer. It's like for the cheap seats now. They're like we're winding up to the end justin. Peyton case people didn't get what was happening. This is the devil is in the beginning that like the christians keep on going guys. Come on. It's all all in the bully bull. It's really agent really on the money. You don't believe me. Watch is super acura. You'll you'll get a bite number three like the two and three. It's like anyone who's seen. The omen knows the molecule getting is a satanic mock like it's really on the not so by the time that calling him lucifer number three it's like so have they just erased the memory of the bible from all the minds of the people who have yet to take the monk but like how does that work because the christians remember it. It's illegal but everyone like. There's no room for agnostics in that world number four like the the fact that anyone goes well. This magic dudes himself believes the shore about his religion thing going back to your earlier point about the hungry guy and the quasi irish girl. It's like their the soles that are in the balance in this one does souls and corbin bernsen soul. We don't know what's going on. You know like we keep getting the flashbacks with him and his is father and yet to go into earlier point. Everybody seems to know about this. Relationship and helen talks to him openly about it to the point where i was just like. How does she know all all this stuff the type that she's like she writes down like a thing. She's like just just check this out. It will understand how to hans in the thing and he basically goes on watches like five hours of youtube <unk> christian conspiracy well. There's that and there's also that email that he gets it has the attachment on it which is hey i used to work for oh and and we are the ones who are doing all the bombing and terrorist acts and here's the detonator and if you go to this place you'll see where we blow something up. I've got to say if there's any kind of genre. That's allowed to use a day. A sex malkin is it. Is it not the thing they're like <hes>. We've paid yourselves into a corner here. Guys don't worry. There's a trope. That's just right for us. It's yeah it's pretty good they <hes> he the old wall missed the is like a okay like demanding to go and kill people in slowly ruminating on a plan and they're gonna bust hananel on that sort of both moving nara on the same path both the <hes> the two groups bunsen and tease separate. <hes> bunsen still got his dad's volleyball hasn't been as well which is illegal and he sits there getting whiskey you drunk listening to a man covers and really looking at his dad's bible. I was so confused ball by a lot the things but with this movie where we've got the guys who come in and blow up like we know that corbin bernsen we find out that he's been bugged or tracked act so he goes and visits the rebels visits the haters and then these guys show up shortly thereafter these well-dressed guys men in black basically and they shoot the people they blow it up and then later on. Is it the same guys who show up again but seemed to be maybe quals. I good good guys. It's just like they. They show station minutes. Yes seems it seems like a really seems like they're setting it up for a v movie or like don't we. This was god's plan all along or yet. It's sort of again. It feels like nothing actually matters that happens in the film that there's something think bigger going on that is is going to determine the outcome anyway but yeah that's l- yeah that's all of these films is just big plan to jump very quickly to to the end for people who are listening to this episode. There's no conclusion. This movie does not conclude. Macaluso is still in power at the end of this movie so nope the loss of the film of that newspaper headline is just spectacular again everyone in print not christian so if you think about like at the end of number two they managed to completely bypass like they they banished to delight the day of one but by the time we get to the backup to the timeline after busies accident in three the diet has happened so we've completely missed whatever the reschedule die of wonder was and it seems to have gone off without a hitch well and then bringing helen back from the dead quote unquote in this movie is just like we are going to undo what the previous movie did. This is the last jedi versus <hes> the the the force awakens yeah they they are coming even within the same movie with with mr t. still being alive. I was really okay. I love it we busted on helen and and there's a god that he's described disguised as a gold and he's like troubles bruin. Get to the court and the guys like what the fuck who you. He's like toilet hi john. I think he probably said another takes. I don't have no time for no jibbidy jabber and they were probably like we think you probably need to be more efficient for that like more like can you maybe a little bit more like a proper soldier jibbidy jabber t- definitely said jim jabir. I can't believe he didn't pity any fools out. Loud not a single full. You know what though haters don't pity no fools haters going to hate so you know you can't you can't blame him. I forgive some fool. The weirdest part of this this movie for me is so mrs davis comes and basically is going to sacrifice herself by testifying on helen's behalf and that's when you're talking about the whole like five hundred documented sightings of jesus after the resurrection oh yeah and they start talking about the in this one of those like we are aiming at our audience and no one else because a lot blah simon greenleaf who the fuck is simon greenleaf simon sinai. Oh oh jerry son yeah they go. They go hello. That's all conjecture. That's ancient history. We once a modern proof for a motorcycle and they're like oh well. I'll let me tell you about a little guy they've ingrained and then i'll we've been told we've been told about grief who died in eighteen fifty three o. Okay simon greenleaf to wikipedia. I go because they are just talking about him like he's just the most well known guy and he says well sonos mr t. right well. It's it's the same it's the same extent to which they quote. Lake non-christians are able to quote specific bible passages throughout this film just everybody everybody knows them. Honestly most actual christians. I know can't just quote bible passages willy nilly as it were it seems it seems everyone has has just gotten that much brushed up on their reading ever since apocalypse started if they can if you know anybody who can just read rattle off like oh yeah galatian fifteen twelve. You've just like walk away. Just walk away from that person. That's not that somebody who earns these films on v._h._s. d._v._d. Blu ray that is they've got is just just the special condition especially if the things they're saying so mr as big bubba quoting this is because he keeps on saying he wants to kill people and the other is <hes> look they call this is but we probably shouldn't be measuring people. We're still christians <hes> slaps amac into an assault rifle or machine gun and says says but if you do wrong they afraid for he does not bear that sold in vain which is like. I looked up his romans thirteen full and seems to be like a like a crusades excusing quote. All you know god helps those who help themselves. He's like people who help themselves themselves <music> themselves to guns l. themselves. I'm just gonna help myself to this bank vaults. It's completely at odds with itself self front front to back and i think that's what makes them so captivating. Though is that every time you kind of shake your head and say wait. What was that there's something something else onscreen to schulkin all year into being compelled. It is truly a day of wonders and we have to talk about the big finale here the big the courtroom finale where pull out all the big guns to the one big gun. I should say and we've got this whole thing of macaluso up on on the stand and corbin bernsen got a gun in court with one bullet in it and then he's just like okay who's gonna take a bullet for macaluso who the has faith in this is just this whole faith moment and i think that the movie thinks this moment is bigger than it is because i'm just like <hes> yeah. Nobody's going to take a bullet for this guy. Yeah macaluso who said number of times that there isn't an afterlife in this movie he also so doesn't end up shooting at him so it's not like there's the bullet to take it's just i like how it's such a hypothetical question that it's it's if i were to shoot needed him who among you would jump in front of the bullet and take the bullet for him is a very different question from if one of you says you're willing to bichon <hes> <hes> so that i don't shoot him than i will shoot you to prove a point they just it feels a little bit less considered as ultimatum than perhaps they think it is my notes excite. No one will die from macaluso. I think the argument of the film is we have to believe helen because she is fully delusional. She really believes to the extent that she's willing to die why and therefore she must be right. Sensible choices are not to be considered and that we end this whole fucking thing with a mistrial. I mean this is it may as well be titled cod like at the end of the breakfast club it. Just you just say a newspaper. This mistrial choatic gold dropped corbin benson fist bumping into the air silhouette outside the courthouse. The case was later dropped. What i was thinking while the anti christ doesn't have <unk> as taito ryan on the american press trump for the court system at least at least trump managed actually get his judge in their this seems seems james just bonkers. Oh yeah i can see cavenaugh just like spitting spitting crying and <music> for beer don't you i will gladly took a bullet for that he would he would super super bro out with everybody the number three where the guy bus into the rat lake cabin and he's like which one of you guys is willing to die for the apply bowl may kill me coming out right now again. My notes say bucy's super photography as this point. I almost feel a little bad making you guys watch almost oh man so we didn't. We didn't address this on echinacea. Can i share the confusion. I love it so when mike contacted us about the post <hes> we said the list of the films that he was planning on covering for the season the post apocalyptic saves him and jennifer and i gravitated towards among others the apocalypse clips quartet. I'm a big fan of soviet so i fi- and p._t._o. Sell skains apocalypse kotex <hes> ah fantastic movies so until about a footnote before we would recall this. I'd only had six months to prep. I thought we were talking about worthy. Wells the next century <hes> gholam deep russian cinema a ball the end of civilization on gog lord's heroes and that is not discussing it all so i had to panic onic watch the thing is i knew i was going to be intellectually challenged. I just didn't know it was going to be on this side of the scale intellectually challenged down and the funny thing is i'm more than willing to talk about those movies. I've had of sitting on my shelf forever. I still haven't watched them. Absolutely it's one of my favorite films future challenge we should we should take a rain check on the on the on the russian apocalypse courts adds. That sounds good to me. Eh there we go there we go. It's a deal all right guys. We're gonna take another break and we're gonna play preview for next week. Show you seem familiar to anybody. It's not hope fiction. It's not reservoir dogs aw natural born killers. It's plump fiction the film of tender romance mina nice penetrating drama. It's hard hitting action fiction. It's a parody she's got a. It's actually a little mapsi points away to the nearest burger world. It's a comedy. It's <hes> movie. It's all messed up. It doesn't make any saying. I know i love lovett. You do cast what comes when that's still mainstream long as it's bloody and violent maxwell. We're gonna shoot luke this fiction. That's right keeping keeping with intellectual property will be talking about plump fiction next week until then. I want to thank this week's co host. Dan and jennifer usually asked by co-hosts. Individually what they've i've been up to separately but you guys are kind of like a matched set being over there at arrow video podcasts so what has been going on with you too. I've just finished brennan cronenburg's new picture over in toronto out which is very very exciting at that's called possessor and is in the closing stages post production at the moment and i'm gearing up to go back out to chicago with n._p._r. In queens repurchase with whom i did the gun on the little <hes> to do a new picture with them appeal brokaw signal interference <hes> which should be pretty exciting. I've got <hes> i've gone in d._a. Unfortunately yeah <hes> but <hes> but it some storytelling awesomeness so i hope i hope everybody's gonna enjoy it is as much as i can say but it should be it should be cool <hes> i'm and and also i can fully support everything that dan has been doing behind. The scenes. Stuff is absolutely absolutely making it so good. I can't wait for people to say thank you. <hes> also jen is going to be on an upcoming episode of the evolution of horror post for the next season and obviously have ongoing the r._f._i._d. Oppo cost with some maiko some ashes so yeah. If you want to check that out if any of you listening seven hundred will and i think you guys are back again this year once if not twice yeah looking forward to it and i will say because we weren't sure which which film you know we're we're obviously super organized this end we have we have already been the other films and we're very excited to talk about them. So i think that's going to be it'll be it'll be a different flavor thinks conversation yet definitely a step up from these movies it just a bit i mean there are no plump fiction but but we're going to get close. We're going to get there. We're going to get there. We'll do can we'll do what we can with what we have will. 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Logan Paul Says Ethan Is Scum Of The Internet - H3 After Dark #21

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Logan Paul Says Ethan Is Scum Of The Internet - H3 After Dark #21

"Uh you hear the horn. Do hear the call battle. I belong to hear the call of battle what they do. All arms footsoldiers. Today i summoned the to the great battle of man verse dish. Today i shall take on not just one but to do his army of douches. An unforgivable crime has been committed on us today yesterday. Actually said by. Logan paul he eh. I'll let the clip speak firt. So but dad somebody turn off your power while you're trying to microwave. A toasty knows dodo pizza rolls. The access do is power that terrifies me because he has children children. That's like what were the cameras facing. Do you get got him. Saying like yeah. I hear creepy stories about that stuff all the time. Get like get like a scum of the internet modified like king star news honestly. Daniel team is one of the biggest. What you just waiting crime of the most epic proportion. Now let me explain to you. The situation roman aunt aunt would because he's an aunt compared to me and stature and clout right. Oh oh yes speaking of which this is brought to you by honey. Now this you know they. They're here for the whole ride. Gum arrive honey. Ride with those today. I mean they probably sponsor his podcasts deal but they're playing both sides. You know what i mean. You've got to play both sides of the arms deal. Yeah exactly Roman aunt would was being harassed by this hacker doctor who was like screwing with his life for a whole year and logan says a. Why couldn't he just mess. With scum of the internet. Like kim star and h three. Now let me stop you there. Break that down a little bit first of all. You caught me with kim sir. Now i don't know if you did that intentionally or not just to piss me off. But even i'll be honest with you logan. Even i and you know how i feel about kim star would not wish that came star right. Even though let's be frank keeps star has done that. The people but i wouldn't wish it on shit on anybody know and also i don't know if you've been taped paying attention logan but i've i've been dealing with plenty of bullshit. I've been swatted three times by literal neo. Nazis who have killed people had to move so i don't know if that's enough harassment for you to be satisfied but that's that his Friend or guests. The person sitting there also says they have kids. Oh yeah and we do. And kim start to write will roman antwon has kids and logan's like yeah but eighth kids don't matter let's let's send up to harass eath so you know i was like listen. If you're logan paul. You really like stop short of calling people scum of internet. You have long illustrious past which you're very happy for people to forget because you've apparently evolved right. i don't think he's completed until the redemption ark. Like let's slow down. He thinks he's he thinks he has. I think he's still holds the actual official title of day. And that's what i'm saying. Like if you're logan paul right. Let's just let's just stop short of people scum of the internet because let's be honest bro. I mean that's like adolf hitler accusing Like hold on just making analogy like hear me out at okay. Let's let me rephrase. Let's take on think. Hitler knowledge is wooded or hitler's okay. That's like charles. Manson being like to the golden state. Killer like bro. you went a little far. You know what i mean. He's like dude. You went a little too far. You're showing off the were crime junkie. Yes i am a crime jokey. I love the show. I can't get enough of it. Okay i mean. Let's be honest what i was gonna say. Strike from the record is. That's like hitler pol pot and being like dude you went a little too far. It's like excuse me. Do you know who you are. you know. That's like kim jong un going up to vladimir putin and being like dude you got to give the people s and the amount of irony like someone like logan actually got the official title of scum of the internet by like even moms know it. You know it's like it so means world renown that fact is like it's beyond youtubers. It's just like neighbors. Not and here's what i'm gonna take joy and doing because logan you know as i said to my tiktok. I'm the king of petty beef. And i don't know if he expected this to be my reaction but trust me. All i needed was a crumb and he gave me the whole loaf and now we got fucking beef. All i needed. All i needed was a slice and he gave me the whole thanksgiving or christmas. Am i believe it was what christmas ham is not beef though. Pot roast What's a good beef. What's the dishes that you made one. Switch the marshmallow and sweet potato. That's a games. What is the traditional. I'm trying to think of a beef willing. I remember a beef. Wellington bread and shit right. Okay all i needed was a slice. And you gave me the whole loaf of pastrami and he gave us a y goo. Yeah all i need is is that vons three days past by day for two fifty and you gave me that eight. Ten watt google. The sizzle that shit to perfection. And you know. Is that the horns of battle. Do get bigger and my blood by what we're gonna do today. Because logan wants to call me scum of the internet and i thought well you know. Let's take a look at his long lustrous career and then we can all determined to collectively. Who is the scum of the internet who he wishes. People harass maliciously for year and instead of roman antoine. Who by the way. Slogan is smile or not but by the way smile more. Logan wants me to smile less. I remember the i he wants. There's so much to unpack and Someone that says smile more. Actually think maybe we should do an episode dedicated to that smile more. Yeah it's always macaroni. I don't wanna be criticizing the context of him. Yeah exactly so. I'm sorry that happened to roman. I know what it's like to be harassed by internet. People trust me. I know very well. Unlike of the internet we actually don't wish it on anyone never even shaun king star. Who has you know is probably my mortal enemy. He's like if i'm again. I'm searching deep for an analogy but analogy because affect. You always kind of go to a risky. Your knowledge really. You get nervous. When dan can you hit that somebody to get it's like ab ab hit that. Oh yeah you guys may not know. But that was low. When tanner fox was over at logan's house shooting videos he said. Yeah i got co vid and logan said what that's not scummy. Oh and by the way he does this podcast in person with all these new guests every week. No precautions. Taken what would logan say. If i said hey you should take it more seriously. That's what i would imagine. He would say though. It's a little. Woody but i agree. No i actually. I actually agree. It does look pretty good. It's a little woody though. Don't you think. Oh i like let me let me get along shower style. But i i definitely i definitely i definitely can't say shit about other than woody. It does look really good though to others dog shit on like a dog shit right preferred the previous one. I think that what is like. Boring like caller. I mean what's the would. What are you in a cabin. I mean all the would you know what i mean. I'm trying. I'm trying to do something with the would. What is this. The floor you laying on the floor. Looks like he's laying on the floor. I'm trying give him bonier. You sorry so we are going to. I mean there's so honestly guys and this testament to what an actual scumbag logan paul is is that there's so much stuff on here. He's done that. I haven't even seen this all when we were compiling this list there shaded here that is new to me and to put that in context. I followed logan's agains. And the fact that his his volume of bullshit is so his dossier is so long that they're still suffering here that's new to me is is frankly a testament to what a piece of shit he is. You know that's right baby so we're going to get to that but before we do for small thank you honey. I do want to start the show off with you know. We have little few fun things. I want to get to first of all. I want to say showed up to teddy fresh. We dropped the care. Bears finally after a long qt beautiful hard work. It's up your thank you. The colored blocks are my. My pc not plugged in well. It's not so. Let me show you real fast. We got the fellow really proud yesterday. Because we've we work them to one for super long and we're happy with how everything came out and then the launch was pretty smooth except for some shipping issues. Well don't say that you sound worse. It just no but people get their orders. International orders didn't go through because we got a problem with our. Yea it's just it's always something come on logo. We're trying to have a serious conversation. All right okay. I won't get to you It was fixed but I don't than that it all worked out and there were articles and stuff like forbes hype up rocks the and what was the other nylon really cool was in an oprah's a-list oprah's of it should be you know a lot sold out but there's actually a lot of cool stuff still there so encourage you to go to first dot com and check it out and just you know enjoy use a beautiful work at very loose. So there's that i want to thank our member. We love our members of our ma'am member. The as three podcast becoming a member gets you are over episodes early the night before right after we cook them throw them up. So that means that are normal. Soda and frenemies. You can watch the night before it goes up. You'll get access to discord which is popping about my feeling that farc gate dan. I have something to confront you about before we get onto the main. Yes you dan. Now you explain this to me. I'm surprised you didn't see this. This was on the sub reddit. Charlie for a having low spoils call in later to by the way because we have a a apparently have a beef to settle with him till it's a friendly beef. I don't really. I think we're gonna have a friendly conversation. I like him. I mean he's charlie firms always sunny and he responded to us and he didn't know who. Charlie how does he showers like Charlie milio come off. You never heard you sound like shit. Sorry guess down literally dan which happened last week far and coughed. It's that is so obviously you the far. No we'll both if you winding layoffs across this literally last week you know it's one hundred. It sounds so distance which could afford it does then. Because it's the only one other one here but yeah that's true. I mean it. Sounds like he's over in the corner. Guam a thank. You can make a beat from that which which. I'm not only denying it. I'm turning. I'm reverse carting this snow. We don't believe you the foot soldier army doesn't believe you. I'm looking at the chattahoochee. People saying i agree with dan. Well that was my arm anymore. Dan don't speak on something you don't. Dan is right in all caps. Thank you hand. What dan what manipulating the chat. Yeah dan don't speak on things you don't know and put me on dance head. I'm on my way put. May on your head dude. You better watch the always not still well. It was a specific. I'm dan yeah. You gotta you gotta break motivated. That's why i'm doing said. I'm sorry to be about one hundred percent off. Sorry i think it's debatable. We have a shoe now. Now what do they they. They weren't there that get recreate the moment and this is what j. of this is. Jfk shoe nice goes against the family. He's wild man shoo. You are true. Agent of chaos. He commented on a drama alert video. He said i hate h three h three broke. Can we be friends again. I disrespect you again. I will get drama or tattoo. Show my loyalty always remember. My fight with epic mealtime started drama. Maybe a pinned comment. it's awesome. I don't see it as actually going against the fairly. It seems like an obvious troll comment to me like was just goofing on came star. He's begging for a pen. I mean shoes. Just he's an agent of chaos. And this was. This was kind of reflexive. Because i mean he does this thing where he spams are videos comments which is a bunch of numbers start putting he did it ran. I warned him dead anymore. Or we're going to have to. We're going to have to bob you and we banned him. We did ban hand so chew. I'm willing to to review the ban. But like if you just do that. But we got a call in and hear from needs to plead his case to us social. If you're there text Zach or a b. or dan and we'll get you on the phone and you can plead your case to us. He sent me a video the other day at like it arrived in my inbox. Three in the morning or something. By the time. I woke up and looked at it. He had deleted already. And i'm probably some pretty me. Oh yeah that's classic races mind. Yeah that's that's classic you know. I came across this song. I love these fundamentalist christians who are just there. The evangelical eve evangelical evangelists evangelical. Televangelists are just straight up scammers and i love listening to the song it just i feel like the song so much copeland's church by the way it for sure is a mountain. Whatever evil eagle mount. Oh this is going to be the theme song of the show. This is the theme stuff. This is what i hear my head. When i'm watching porn. Start singing to go. You come on come on. What can you possibly talk farts or semen or something like that. So that's what i want to do is anytime we talked to like a eagle or something or whatever or or vin. Diesel about something gross. Play this ban good. So this is what i heard when i saw a local court jesus and then and then he goes into louis group up. When i saw logan ball skomer the internet. I started getting something stay ahead. That's my war song breath research respect. People don't how are you rea- he put on his did his hair and everything familiar. Be like something. come on. Come on god do it. Come on got bust on me now but still me now david greta remix of this shout out to george floyd family. Oh yeah i want it. And he drops it. And it's something and i really truly believe that we are changing the world today shot. His family fucked up videos amazing anyway. That's pretty much all. I've got so we can return to the beef. That's how we got the show. Everyone doing well. That was just the top of the shows. We have plenty of talk about. I mean okay. He does ready for this a walk down memory lane that some of this is new. And i'm telling you now. My history with logan paul's obviously a story one men I dubs made a video when he made that silly colorblind video. The one mega viral goofing on him and he took that very personally so he's definitely hated me since them. He says that i was quote making fun of his disability because I mean dude. You can't see red. I mean you know what i mean. You can't see red and green like bro. You're you know what. I mean like dylan matter. He played it up and we made fun of he if anything he played it up. It's not like you put on these glasses on your. Are you wearing the glasses right now. I haven't seen the glasses since they obviously didn't make that big fucking impact on your life mother for kim blueberry right and that was the evidence where like oh this guy color. How come he knows the fuck and blueberry anyway. I'm not saying he lied about it but bro it's not like i'm making fun of like someone with like disability disability. You can't see blue green with peace and love. I mean with peace and love. I have a disability. All right look at me. I'm out here like shaking my handful. I'm not gonna disability shammy. But i'm 'gate-keeping disabilities. I don't think that's even the point. Mine is played it up for the video. I don't think he would even argue that and that was Raw footage made for parody. You know that was just waiting to be made fun of right so let me walk back my 'gate-keeping this you are very disabled. You are extremely very disabled person by zone by zone statement was playing my head right now. Something is about to stab so logan. You know what you know what. I apologize for making fun of your disability. You are very disabled so much. So that i really should have never made fun of you because like at a certain point when somebody's that disabled you really shouldn't even make fun of right way the line so i do apologize for that now you know. Interestingly enough ten no good yeah well you know we got. We got a hey about the bus now you. Interestingly just as proof that he's such a bitch right is that he's held the grudge for so long and of course. There's this famous story. People make fun of me. Because i say it so much. But i saw him at minecraft bharti notches house a minecraft bar not just how it was not just house and he was standing right vintage corvette and i walked over. I'm thinking we were cool because like you know usually you can say hi to people and it's all good so i walk over to logan paul. I put my hand say. Hey what's up. And he pulls his hand back to hit me like you saw it. You were right next right. Yeah so good. I have a witness and he goes. I've i've been dreaming of what i'd say made you know. He's disabled though. So yeah my craft party. He's disabled though. So i let it slide. You know with this stupid sable. I'm gonna to go. I'm gonna shut the stream right now. By his own admission. I made fun of his ability foot disability right. Now he's colorblind. He's disabled boy by do so anyway. Won't doll combing jokes. Like can people even follow references anymore. You just have to stick around long enough to get the nuance. But it's still. They sound funny on their own right. So he said i fantasize about what i'd say if i've ever met you and i was like oh really like so. What did you come up with. And he's like something like that. You've got pubis on your face. And i was like that's good that's good. You should have said that. Anyway he was. He didn't want to talk to him. He would refuse to shake my ham and he said i puked on my face pretty epic. I did think he's the only one that we could never lying. Come get along with kind of like fast sewer you to be frightened right like it's we've always ended up somehow being in contact with people. We've you know even criticized. Yeah even jake paul. Yeah it's always kinda like once you talk. It's all good. And jake has blocked me for the record well but we did connect back in the day but anyway i don't think if you see 'em in person is going to be like no he wouldn't i know you would have you know that's the thing. So jake logan. Paul has this distinguished title of being the biggest bitch we've ever made fun of just approved. The point ten among manga simone. We i've made a lot of fun with and just a few days ago. She tweeted out. Friendly's podcast so good so even if not that is everything like i feel. That literally is everything. Well she'll get past. Yeah once you do that too. It's it's only putting us in a bad light if we ever made fun of you will look like those bags You know but that's the best approach especially because he has a disability. You can't make fun of them for that color blind. I'm gonna colorblind. I'm putting you on On time okay. So anyway shut up to ten among shut up to her family. And i really believe that tanna mongo anyway. I don't know today but her family. So let's get real just real quick. There's ton of people asking what's going on with zak. His power is out at his home yet. It's been raining in la we have. We've had like a crazy storm. And so he's actually. He is here on his cell phone but he can't do the sound bites today so filling in his stead covering the sound bites. I feel like i'm without my my my my most important general right now. Wait a minute anger on your phone. Looks like a thou- times better than your own. We get exactly by camera. Dan by cam for gracing back from the mac tomato built into that into that match. All right all right so anyway not to get to derail but douglas ac. I miss you so let's take a walk down memory lane because let's remember why we hear. Logan has dubbed me scum of the internet and wished that i would be harassed by trolls and hackers and stuff. So this guy had see who's come now. Obviously this one. I can just gloss over because everybody knows he films. A dead body. Logan paul is posted. A video allegedly showing the body of a person who recently committed suicide menu now with ours was tearing off from japan. He visited an area on the slopes of mount fuji known and this forest posted the video with the title. We found a dead body in the japanese suicide forest during the video. Paul said i think this definitely marks moment in youtube history. Because i'm pretty sure this has never happened to anyone. You appreciate. how psychotic statement. He thought he was like Trendsetter like now. Now everybody's going to the suicide. A suicide suicide forest for souls pairs in the suicide forced to put in their blogs. I wonder what other wanting to go. Stand by the golden bridge and find some jumping off logan. That'd be cool. You could fish up their body. The body was in the tunnel right blurred blurred but in. I don't know if the thumbnail. I don't remember when he was it. I know he showed the ab says yes was. I remember it was like in next to them. You put this guy in the thumbnail. He did that That buddy forest challenge gone emotional. You'll by the way shadow to cam. Grants shut up to cam. Grants family for putting them together. Footsoldiers against the logan fall. Oh that's pretty disturbing image. The feeder too big soldiers. Today is the foot tattoo that i like defeats factual theater utah. It is weird anyway. Thumbnail oh so. I probably can't show it but let me just look. Oh yeah e. Showed it he showed. He showed the body in the thumbnail. You can see the rope dangling. And then the body is blurred. And it's gone. I've made a severe continuous in my right. We're not sure that that has ever ended. That was kind of a statement of the state of a thumbnail It's untrendy you didn't know that was part of the scandal. People doing yeah. They trend it. It was just like oh lausanne. Paul is family friendly right like every video of his trending without a doubt so so anyway. Everybody's familiar enough with that but it's funny because it's true with time passes it gets whitewashed and you think what that's what happened but it's actually worse than i remember. He put the body in the thumb. Man i mean that's just forgot you could see the the row. Yeah and a blurred body. Give up. I thought you apologize and said that you care number one trending i think for a good amount like i don't know like half a day or something it was like number one and that's how i saw in this green shot. It's number ten trending and it has six million views so it was a good amount of time. I remember that like everybody was relatively okay with it until people started to address it and then like people from outside youtube started to be like. Oh my god is. This is fans were cool. He's he's setting. he's the first person to ever find suicide body and showed in a flog. He's made history and by the way. Notice how it's all about hen and not about this poor soul who's perished in this forest who took his own life is about. I've made history. This is a huge day for me take are not not not not like i feel so bad. I'm i'm gutted. My heart is in pieces. I made history. He's a great adventure. He's a great discover of human misery. Okay but that that one's obvious right of flow here but We're at thirty minutes. We should probably do. Oh my goodness you'll clarity man already. Let's think honey and then let's get right back into the bees. Okay here we go. We love honey. We love honey. We love honey really into. I actually really do love honey You know these days. It feels like online. Shopping is the only shopping we really do. You want to do it amen. After i finish each line okay or just like supplement. Just give me like amount Shadow twos family. Something like that are these days. And then maybe a soundbite to something i don't know may make it just whatever you got. 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What's the one you use for allergies. They get you all messed up. Come on dan you know sega. It's there's the drug for allergies it gets people all like high speed it out. Oh sudafed i'm just high on jesus and a lotta sudafed. Thank you so anyway. Back to logan. Paul so So we all know about the suicide forest obviously. But do you remember the video leading up to suicide for the biggest freaking disrespectful douche piece of shit ever you could probably just go ahead and call him the biggest of the internet. Thank you the biggest respect the culture japan is all about the respect. So you've gotta be like he literally is addressing that he knows he's being disrespectful and doing i guess that's what's funny to the twelve year olds here. Think that his fans have evolved. Tom i just gotta be careful to not like disrespect. The culture japan is all about the respect. Dumb americans have arrived. Look at me and just got to be careful to not disrespect the culture. Tokyo is a real. i've cartoon what did he do. The fuck. yeah that's like beyond your fucking with the koi fish. Mean i can't even she. There's details in here that i actually forget. What did he do know the muslim ban japan. They're all about respect. We're going to be respectable. Got look they just got loaves of bread. The whole thing was the issue. This one just for display going to be respectable game boy color. How much ninety five hundred do what he. He smashed in the snow. Averick forgetting i remember. I'm a fucking maverick low. I cannot believe he's bought something from the union smashed in the store. Like how do you show your face after this game seems to be malfunctioning. Show broken they laugh. All this is way worse than i remember. Like looking back. He has almost convince people that he's reformed. And you start. Think maybe this stuff is bad. Well once they see him and kobe party. It's like okay. Suicide guy right right. Right i do. You know it's funny. They wouldn't do that in america. Yeah they wouldn't do that new york they get their ashby but here they go to japan and they're like because people are like i guess they're very more reserve so they like they feel like they can fuck with people I have a feeling they wouldn't do this in york. I can't even i choose you. Police back he really thinks all these people just props in his video yeah. He literally thinks the entire country of japan all its occupants are a prop in his in his video and just throw talking cable the batter and by the way that he kind of is sociopathic. Like for sure pit coming down and just got to be careful to not like this respect. The culture mavericks people. You're doing it different. People who walk in the streets set of driving cars. How are you okay. The road japan. It's a pretty. Hello i pay you feel will be respected. That they should be in bad guys forgot about this. He's walking around. Rav gotta be careful. This disrespected mulcher. Expecting like just leave it on the puck patterns japan tokyo specifically our thanks for putting up. What you didn't put up. it only makes sense. That all that douchebag re culminated in him and like he he couldn't be more. I'm in disbelief. Drink it's just it's so fucked up. I mean scum of the internet. You know what i mean. It's so rich accusation. But is there really anything to say. I mean i'm speechless No not really. Yeah okay. I called the scum of the internet and wished that hackers and people would harass me. I don't remember doing that now. By i never done. No no don't fish on taxicab damn so that anyway dude. Let's keep going. You remember when. Logan paul caused a riot ad. Vid con and almost got like all. These kids murdered wait. That's the that's the famous frame. Everybody let me slow it down. Everybody screen cap this. Because he's like totally bald. And you know it's i wouldn't usually make fun of someone's ball but he's he thinks he's so hot so much easier though something is about to bust. Something is about the bus. Come with me now is he. Can i see the numbers calling. The reflection was the classes. Almost something is about the boss something is about to bust. Okay thank you i be. Yeah maybe i went back here. It's coming right up. I swear to god to loud doing today doing okay. Thank god bless. Thank you very much here okay. So he's running. He's running the camera pans up his forehead. That's the now once again. I would never make fun of somebody who's just going bald especially someone with a disability colorblind i mean. He said he's disabled. He's got on spy anyway he's bought. What's anyway there's nothing wrong with that. I mean for hymns we love it. Apparently entre tramonte around them caused a stampede and he went running around civil they were told not to do this for because for safety reasons and so he went out running around palm amongst attend. Caused like this huge stampede. Bradley people did get hurt really everywhere he goes. It's all him for. Listen to the music and this is his music. This is music. they don't care. They came in the water. That's what he's saying. They're willing to come the water to say item e. Don't care car panicking guy. What are you doing super angry. Like why would you do. And he's mean there so they're like do what. Take this seriously please. This is dangerous or inconvenient. Listen danger as he stroked joking. I was one of my favorite moments. He's joking and dabbing at the same time up. Forget about the old guy. Big forgotten by wind diving is great. We can't just let all this shit slide. You know for someone who's really the internet. We really have to hold them accountable for everything they've done cannot let it. We can't forget who guy so they take him down. He's struggling. he's in and then. I think he just bolts. They literally just try and then he bowled and run through thought. I mean he's psychotic totally destroying the bible. But it's just not very just a little off. Yeah it's just not safe look at the stampede of people running through an security guards are trying to do their job. Yeah well. I thought for sure when i went out to the first the money who found the money man brennan got something i offer showing out there. I'm like i'm six foot. Two two hundred solid man together. Strong preached blogs has a family guys. Hannah can maybe not the time to get together. What killers god. He has a personality disorder for sure right a. I'm so confused so anyway as you said. Everything's about him. Dead bodies about him. The vid con is about him. Interestingly though he can't carry his own. Podcast i feel like it's the mike podcast affleck. Mike talks much more than logan but will get a. We're not ready for that. Do remember when he taste a dead rat bear. So i don't know if i can show this but this is after i believe i could be wrong but was before i think it was after the suicide force when he had reformed and then he taste a dead rat. After thank you. Yeah i thought so. So this is after. He was on his best behavior. They find a dead rat. Start teasing its core and putting it on youtube. Got the looks. Is that alive. It moved you see that dan. I'm not so here. I want you to see it. Dan but i don't wanna show them because it's too graphic. Can i put it on my monitor. So here i'll let you. Then you comment you comment on this. Are we using weapons. I'm not gonna use my of my house girl for five dispatched from the electricity brad. The fuck again like torturing animals. I mean those dead but like the corpse of this animals his play thing and this is after the suicide forced by the way. I've never gotten like all of youtube de monetize. Remember when they're like you are a threat to the entire platform. And so we d monetize you. I mean sure. I'm sure you can criticise me. But i've scum of inner so about to burst anyway. So you know. We're making your way down those his lustrous history. Okay now you. this is new to me. I knew he was a totally disrespectful in japan. What i didn't know is that he did the same thing in italy watch. That's jake disgusting. To the overall canal jumped. Jake jumped down if you go give you your money back. So there's a security are. I don't know if conservatives in our security guard what an italian guy being guys cannot do this this is. This is an important place to us. We respect this place. You know what i mean like you. This is not a playground. He says the logan has. He's taking his clothes off read. You can't do this. You can't do this and logan. Just ignores him pretty the guys. Please don't do this. And he jumped. Who says the today you call. The police asked him if they joined. Low game no. So there's about going through there right exactly. Yeah it's not safe for anybody so he says to the to the citizen who is really concerned begging him. You can't do this. He says you realize zero money today you call. The police asked him if they could join the low game. He says if you if you call the police ask them if they can join the low gang illegal probably lead the water disgusting italy. I love you though. Yeah i know but that's what it's all about gang. You got one life on this earth brother wants to do do with it. That's a mask psa every day to do things that no one else is doing. Great things will happen. He really tries to make everything motivation. Cringe it's like. Did you are dysfunctional. You're antisocial antisocial behavior. We're doing things no one is doing. I wonder if that's a path. I don't recommend people walk and we saw how it ended play that sound bite. Ab if you've got it that i've repeated repeated mistakes lapse of judgement. Have that or apology of ting. Dun dun dun dun that's walk in your own psychotic path and anyway that one's surprise me there's another in rome. He continued his rampage through italy. He was flying his drone over like historic places and jake were both users over the connex structure to get some incredible footage. While they were flying it logan's drone went out of range and they couldn't find it anymore. They use the drones. Gps which led them to members of italy's military who taken the drone us beginning We we have a drone yes. That's the i royal. When logan went over to talk to the officers. They explained that they didn't know what it was so they called the police. The craziest part about this is that one of the officers actually recognized logan from youtube. Logan follow their instructions and talked with the police officers drying was and they had to. What obviously jake in their crew were freaking out over this and had no idea where logan was. Logan continued to shoot some footage with his iphone. While he was at the police station. It was eventually able to leave without his throne although they kept his john. Jake's footage to show us what he got arrested for trying to get yes. The coliseum is absolutely but you should probably check the rules before attempting to get content for youtube channel literally flying drone the calls we latin. The situation wasn't too serious. That logan the crash clearly day would crash because they lost it. So right how does it stop. I fuck well. Well yeah right. I mean logo. What do you say were you not concerned that the us damage store calls jim. Well about the. I don't expect to be forgiven. He doesn't expect to be forgiven. Yeah that's what i thought. This was a good one by the way this is one. That's often over look He did a prank where he pretended to be. Executed in front of all of his fans comes back on behind. Closed doors. you can working jokic ran. Kids aren't even buying but expect such a bad idea. Tabet yeah zach when you say you got joker brand new see what we think. That's in my mind now. Joe he's just an asshole he doesn't have. Jerry joker brain is some nights has joker brain. There's something redeeming kyw and having a joker brain. He doesn't have a joker brain. Oh yeah this was one that i guess. A lot of people were not happy about because kit wit real quick. I've got news actually. Go ahead I think you ll actually has joker brain. What and. I have some photographic evidence that was house-senate. Either you have joke breaking news on. We're being we're cutting in with breaking news can you. So who is. We weren't talking about anything like that. Okay here we go oh you how do you explain that. Where is this. i forgot the video with. Oh my god i you. Oh he made it look like. That's pretty good. That was a good guy like he and did whiteface. And then we showed me behind the camera. I but this look so legit. The joker brain all my goodness. Explain this now. That's awesome was regarding the tweet. There was a time when kids were literally doing a tight. Budget challenge. People getting violently. Ill turned to scandal. Because i guess people were holding the social media platforms accountable for letting people post videos of them. Having eating type. So logan paul says swelling tide pods per. We re tweet. Which i guess people thought was just kind of encouraging people to think it's cool to eat tide pods which quite come on man. Now i go back to perhaps my favorite part of his illustrious history. Are you ready for. Do you remember this one. 'cause i sure hero. You remember hero. It's burned in my memory. Oh i remember his videos more than my childhood memories weird. that's funny. What does that like calm bizarre. So here he flies out this kid who's his Anyway brought mean just watch crazy. It's the fact that everyone has a hero. Yeah when you're just the right way you gotta make a dumb ass song about the fact that that dumb ass song attack feeling tickled assault. His video saying logan. You heroes saying on the man. Like i'm robert deniro while the gosh tornadoes boy following his dreams zero wow. That's amazing. i'm somebody's hero. Wow that's amazing. But i guess it gets better do looking luther king so he he literally keyed the green screen. Dan martin luther king into his poor. Do you remember that the you remember he did this. He literally keyed in. Martin luther king into his pool. You can look at this. He's saying this kid is going to be martin. He says this kid be can be like martin luther king how demeaning it is to him like listen to the lyrics ohio following his dreams. I'm somebody's hero. Wow that's amazing. If you really believe it you can do anything you can go and start movement. I don't think martin. Luther king wanted to start a movement you know. I think he did that out of desperation in need. It's not like i'm a white kid from ohio. I can do anything if you send the maverick movement. I mean right. It's just it is pretty. It's it's let's ask for a. Don't use martin luther king on your swimming pool of all things key in of him crazy. Carry now now now. Here's my here's another great here. Listen to this lyric. After he says you can be martin. Luther king now washes you can go and start a movement luther king no. I'm not saying that. This little dude is martin luther king because you could be martin luther king. But i'm not saying this kid is that i'm not saying this could do that. He goes you could do anything but tone it down kid. I wanted to be like. I am politically correct. Trying to career base. Use literally trying to cover his base but he actually just insulted to get. You can do anything except this guy reference that he's not he's that shit is crazy. I have to keep going back. Luther king no. I'm not saying that this little dude is martin luther king. But i'm not saying that he's now is he. Martin luther king. I'm not saying he's not martin luther king. It's up for debate. This kid hauling build a bear. He's martin luther king also why to do this kid so dirty. Why's he got to put him in. This fucking goofy s did his fittest fire. I don't know what you're talking about Not a sure thing. I don't know who i know for a fact he's not martin luther game like i definitely can confirm that right now right here fucking crazy to say that this them okay. He's not an okay. Why you keep referencing. Black people by the way i love that i love is ryan's i know he's not. Mlk borough kate or even on tanya. The point is. He's a maverick breaks. You don't listen to the haters. Who may laugh. He stuck his neck out for me like a fool to wrap. You're the first app. Don't have eight eight ever needed the way we're getting it twice. What happened a shit. We're getting a new computer. You guys by the way. This computer served us well for years. But it's it's it's hanging in there density at the blue screen of death. He was doing tests this morning. So we're we're we're we're we're we're filming borrowed time here so if some shit goes down. That's that's shocked by the way don't ever fuck with when i'm listening with. Local burgess says. I'm very sorry shamelessness of the plugging of the murder and just loved this song. So much is this on one of your chil- play lifts. Oh yeah nice. If you ever need advice yeah right you know he don't answer is fucking call. Good luck reaching logan. Now do indictment good-bye. Everybody needs someone to rely. Herald you something like crimes. Hang with all the girls say what he says. Hang with the girls of paradise is that a is that jihad thing. Sounds like he's saying let's go do some jihad stop. Let's go hang out golden paradox time out time out. Okay slow down. Slow it down. What else does it mean joke. Dental work move on raw wait. I'm not. I won't say that again. But what does he mean going out with girls. Okay is empty because they say they say that the dice with the fifty fifty two seven. Oh shit even better believe. I'm still confused right. It's a call to jihad money is. Let's move on stop. Let's go do something called all right. You can go home now after the like. They didn't do anything cool and they definitely didn't do jihad as far as i'm aware that you could. You could maybe consider this video jihad in its own right. Are you man. What do they do see. This is really true. let's hallman he's he's he's like he goes to the kid he's like. Maybe just you just pretend to saying we'll put you in in post. This looks like a memorial. Okay enough of that time to start making some sense back to the hero stuff. Let's talk future tense. Thirteen to twenty years. We're both be president. So would you talk smack. Oklahoma secretary of defense not to mention who balance the federal deficit and yes. I'm aware of runs a super intelligent element. I'm say president through what twice. no of. That's really nice. If you weren't night fights out here dude goodbye. Everybody needs to idolize bob. That's a classic and never forget he. He green screened martin luther k. Martin martin luther king junior into swimming pool and okay never forget whereas it should be the thumbnail for our podcast. It's at the very beginning to i. I need you guys to hear. So this is that duck and this should be everything that should be. My looks like his job though. Come on i'm okay. No this black. I remember martin luther king. Junior movement culminated in this moment. He lived died for the cause so that he could eventually be green screened on the logan pause pool right. This is surreal idea. You could frame this put it in. That's true you know what i mean is. This is wild jet. And i love how he's turning around looking in the to the pool like on low homeys looking into the depths of the pool artistic. It's yeah it's anyway scum of the internet yadda yadda now. Here's one where during the time. Wanted blogging his to the point where it was like it was making everyone feel really icke like it felt like literal brainwashing of kids to go by merch. This is his santa. distract deliver. Maverick merchandiser merchandiser game. Yes santa for sure. I got a message for santa ready. Relay this kind of march and his little backpack. Mr klaus twenty two christmases say it. Baby mrs yeah. This is the son where he makes sense. By the way you fox. Mrs claus and the story cimini homey frigging in metro. No milk and cookies here. Ready got it. Yeah we called it. The yeti from the north but i'm from ohio from the corner get your merge thinking by paul users boy on the arrest doing church ooh yes. I put in work looking at. Take up my favorite line. The hat it's like did just make the song or fuck and got the hoodie gut. The got back back. I fucked mrs claus and gave her a maverick maverick shirt. People are wondering we're gonna talk about anything else today. Yes they are wondering yeah. We're gonna talk about more. There's one more here. Oh actually what we. But it's fine. We began. This is actually serious. This stuff is all kind of goofy and whatever. But this one's actually quite serious jake paul. Listen here A relationship with my brother and his ex girlfriend. Logan paul back like without without me knowing about it and it was. It was a sexual relationship and it was while we were dating while we're on while we're oh god while we and in the back of her head logan that she stupid shane which was also dumb. Dan i'm trying to do. I'm trying to expose. And i just don't know if i made by it. I'm loving angle. Go back to go. Further down on my power turned back on so we gotta ceiling fans. We're gonna make it dude her. Okay good background in. That's it that's the minute were the worst. That's where you don't loganville and did re racism before david guetta whatever. His name is his name. Well david gouda gouda and israel. We may go ahead. It's good cheese. Gouda anyway i you may recall me. You may think. I'm scum. But i've never fucked my brother's girlfriend so there's also this one there's so much honestly you guys are over it mama stars pete in my basement. Handlebars he made the song stole the deep from an artist backgrounds is gone Colorado hip hop band flow bots filed a suit against youtube star local copyright infringement. The case focused on no handlebars song. Made by paul. To tweet give the tweets. He made the tweets that that artists. It's a it's a record teach. Stole is yeah. Yeah yeah. it's a direct rip. You didn't get the consent or anything and the artists. Like what the fuck. The was he getting sued for it. You got sued for. I don't know what was the. I remember the artists was really pissed. Like dude what he didn't know and you just literally ripped off his song and it was. They're not like a huge super-rich band. I think well that song one who wondered about that was so it's not like you know. These guys are sitting on a mountain of gold. They're like do you know what i mean like. Oh my mom's here they're here early. Okay that's fine I'm sorry but i i. there's so much like member. Gp his dad is like a little fucking predator. Hold on hold on hold on. His dad is a predator bro. Remember this one here. Speed it up okay contestant number one good job that is it for us know. Why are you ready okay. He's ready to step on us. Most disgusting imaginable just number two great by the way the guy holding his dad literally does a dab before unknowingly kissing this young girl three step on. He gets it good to watch this. He's like not one not two not three that go the not no. She's making all that contest. Today of who's the best kisser down to his dad who lived in a van outside the team townhouse cova denier he. This was recently put on instagram. The whole family is that will. Yeah exactly the whole family denies covid so run. So exactly so this gp gp classic show. You always says folks what's going on it's gp hopefully from you guys look up some of those things. I talk about economic liberty separation of powers freedom of association. All those things should have brought up. Timothy mcveigh vibes now. Like out in the middle of nowhere all fucking bundled up in chat. Love the libertarian. When he to keep our business used of sleeping with an underage girl yeah. Let's not for all of his big. Oh my goodness you're right. Don't rush me. this is a part. I don't want to miss anything. He in this video he says okay. Watch this my hacker taught me a lot. Please contact me. So i can hire you. So he got half a non his you'll notice. He's kind of sweating. And he's like pleading to the hacker like please contact me and hire me so i can hire you. Well you may you may know what off so so. He had video of him sleeping with. I don't know if she's underage but she was very young girl. Now watch always like trying to be cool about it having folks. Gp this hacker dude. Something else man. He is crazy smart. I learned a lot from them. You know hacking is actually an adult way of bullying and hide this. I mean this is there. Thank god this is the tree of from which they're caught. You know what i mean. You know. I don't know why the guy does it because he doesn't get any real recognition for it. He's not really messing my life that bag because my life my. I'm just not that important. But i learned a lot from my learn about some ways to prevent hacking all of a sudden dude. If you're anyway the guy put out a video of him like eating out a young girl and it's horrific. trust me. i played the sound. I was playing the sound bites once on episode. Ever got so mad at me. 'cause repulsive that just this sound bite along people tripping out so yeah so jape. Gp is like you know and also he's a covid denier perfume guys either. Don't don't rush me. This is important stuff k. covet. Denial runs in the family. Here we go folks what's going on. Gp coming at you. Hopefully you guys will look up some of those things. I talk about economic liberty separation of powers freedom of association. All those things should be allowing us to keep our businesses open share loggains the government is overstepping their boundaries. I said this before mask mandate is bigger than the mask for example. Why can't i sleep with a fifteen year old girl who was the government to step in and told me that i can have sex with any girl any age that i want. Gp coming at you. Gp's up into our house and tell us we can't say that i can't put it live in a bus outside by son's house and have sex with the little girls that he brings over and grooms for me. I mean the government to step in and say that i can have sex with a thirteen year old just saying same logic with loved ones and also the bullshit. Everybody should be protesting their governor. I don't care if you're republican or democrat get together in protest your governors because guess what these mandates are hurting everybody anyway. I'm pushing back. And i say this but rather speak up and be wrong than huma and be wrong. Oh this is such a great. Take as remember this. I'd rather speak up and be wrong. I'd rather speak up and be around and kill cup. You do that frequently by the way so. It's all good being muffled. Referencing like having to wear a mask logan. Of course this is the last one i promise. This is all culminating to paul. I haven't seen him in a week. But this video from tanner fox entitled. I tested positive. He's calling you. Tell logan de fox on new to that that is he. Hey man listen. I really hate to be having this call with you right now. I haven't seen. How did you know my mom somehow. New oh i told jacob well i hope you get better go holy fucking shit isolate yourself i am. I'm staying in quarantine for the next fourteen days. But i know i haven't seen you in a week. I just started showing symptoms of it today. But i just wanted to call and make sure your whole team knows what i woke up today and i was extremely just exhausted like i just felt really tired. Let me but let me know. No problem in Well i hope. I hope you're all good. I later next person. I'm gonna call talking script. That's you gotta love. Tanner for filming without telling him. I'm which is fucked up by the way but these guys are all just a bunch of dumb asses like they're just they're also done but they're doing so that's off the script. Yeah that's him without the pr. I got covid. I was hanging out with you which a week ago which is about the time of incubation implying. I may have got it from someone on your team. No or i may have given it to the other yes. It goes either way. So logan to paul lows polls responses like okay. I'm gonna go see a doctor gonna tell everybody you're gonna he said i don't give a fuck. And not only that. He continued to do his podcast bringing guests into his home psychotic. That's psychotic psychotic right. So in summary logan poll just to go back to the beginning of what started this all. It's been a long row. It's been a long winded type of way to say this. But dad somebody turn off your power while you're trying to microwave. A toasty knows little pizza. Rolls the axes do his power grid. That terrifies me. Because he has children children. That's like what are the cameras facing. Do them saying like yeah. I hear creepy stories about that stuff all the time. That's why couldn't they get like a scum of the internet. Motherfucker like team star. Honestly daniel arms the big honestly so before you start wishing bad things on people you dubs come of the internet. Stop dude i thought you evolved. Okay remember who sang that. Remember who you are okay. Gp coming at you all right gp my old. But there's one more thing you guys you know. We don't fuck around. This is the real. This is the nuke on this. Is the nuke. The ends the war. There's no coming back up for this. Logan paul will get pretty good rating four point six. Let's take a look what this little little blurred toe. I couldn't even get off to that if i tried. What would you guys think you. These are five star fee. Te'o mccoll long and narrowed it. Looks weird like five star. -til not to me now. I'm not telling you guys what to do. Certainly never tell you to go. Give someone a one-star that'd be ridiculous. But what i am saying is those. Don't look like five star feet to me. If i was to go to wicky feed them right these feet. If i was in a war with this man of war i would probably give him one star. In fact i'm going to go do that right now. Smell fit either by you. Gotta say that. It's hard ugly feet star review to fuck it. That's why that came back. I love his feet. I'm outta comment not logged in. I wouldn't that be awesome. Short leaving comments hold on. I thought i was logged in. We need a log and dan. You gotta get me log last time. You know it's already going down foot it's awesome. We have a legion of people who have made accounts are logged in footsoldiers. You know what to do this. War begins an end now and he will think twice before crossing us so. I'm kind of at a loss for words right. Now we'll check your on this later so there's a whole nother thing we've got to get into so the last episode of the podcast before you do that. We catch up on any chatter or anything. Oh yeah we haven't done that. How's everybody doing in the chat anymore. Express anything Well there was a lot donation. Saying let's move on from logan paul. There was yes but aside from that full were donating to say. Let's move on. Yeah well that happens every time. Probably a little more than usual this time but Somebody said. I made a david greta about to bus sent it to ab ab all. That sounds good I just want to say. I really love you guys. Thank you so mind you so much. This is my third time asking really need to know why women sizes at teddy fresh aren't size inclusive. Y'all could be killing it on us. We will get there. We just kinda. It's just basically that we've been kind of testing the waters so you guys just recently started making. Yeah so the silhouettes are new to us and the we don't know how many people are interested or not but so far it's been doing great so we'll continue to expand and we will definitely make more sizes. It was just our way of being like caution and getting into this new category. He did you see anything. You got anything for us. Well actually we do kind of need to throw it to another break. I wanted to right right. right right. yeah sure go ahead. Yeah not for you guys. It's actually for my new sponsorship. After last steps you know. I saw zacks music. Abc stream and i had to start diversifying a little bit. So jesus reach out to my agents. And i got a little ad copy so it's just a sixty second responsibility. I got to do so. Just wait you're taking your own think you're doing your own sponsors on our show that didn't seem appropriate to me you know it's just kinda the nature of the business. It's just sit. Just sixty seconds at most mega go ahead. I'll wait okay. 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I have been working on this for a while. You worked with her on this. This is even bigger deal than i thought she see originally. She wanted to cookie to be a kind of this kind of this mustard color and flavor. And i said doc on no got enough got none none gaga gaga enough. That's what we ended up with. How is employees. Will you review the cookie. I call the cookies. Got a green centre gross and says chromatic on the cookie. So ladies and gentlemen wild hashtag see those dogs hashtag salaried employee. That's all okay now. Actually donations read though on a serious and in the future. Please don't hacker show. Can you please. I mean look. We're we're struggling. you know. we got bills to pay. I mean who. I pay your salary. Dude you're out you're taking sponsorships you guys only to give us tithing tithing the bottom line here so we have Somebody donated ten dollars. Said oops. I meant to donate this to start killer stream. Can i get. I get a a refund. That's double ma'am worst. Video of the dave gweat. Something's about the bus. They send it to a on dying to see it. Looks like the also sent it to me. Can we go the moment. You've all been waiting for george. Unity obese already difficult. Yes doesn't really work that good. Glad we try nice. Try pretty popular. Dave gouda cheese. Yeah yeah good for him out there crushing so ten ten task. Is there any any any other nations or comments. We should read before we move onto the next segment here. Lots of little ones deep. Love the head headband. Couple of days ago. We love the headband. Somebody said team up akeem to take down logan. I know. I thought about you know what i was like shit like. If i'm pretty bitch about this wait till came star season. He's gonna like he's going to like. I have a feeling you're going to be more petting sake. Thinks yeah somebody said. I'm on my lunch break. Please making watch ignore. It keeps our. What did you think about logan pulling you calling you scum of the internet. Mike is actually good guy. He did something. Good actually mo like mike more now. It's actually his. Mike is really the real host of the bug look and just sits there. Were you gonna say there's just a donation on my lunch break. Please make ethan watch the video where this guy turns his dead cat into a drone. No i don't want to show the show at anyway. That sounds like something logan right. Let me play with dead animals and turn them into robot. Knicks salvador rodriguez donate five dollars. Here's some games dot money. Thank you all right. Gm okay okay. Thank you thank you. Thank you with peace and love so in our last episode we talked about this guy poilce close. Is he ready by the way dan. No we'll send him. The link right now allows royals. Tv we have a little bit of a beef but when you do like youtube stream shit like that like you have to pay your taxes right if someone gave me a thousand bucks that's income so if i if i'm like refunding or i have to send money back. This pin up sorry. I thought i was watching. This is him responding to us. So i actually haven't seen this but this guy went on kind of tear. Somebody accidentally donated three hundred fifty dollars to during a stream and they said oh my god. Our only meant to donate three fifty. Can you please return the the extra money. And he went on a rampage. Saying like dude. No fuck you so may whatever yep so So we were kind of goofing on him and and a lot of people were coming to his defense saying that you know people do chargebacks or when you get a refund you have to pay a fee or i don't know maybe he'll explain better when you do like youtube stream shit like that like you have to pay your taxes right if someone gave me a thousand bucks that's income so if you saw that is going to say we're saying look guys trust me. I mean as as tom selleck says. This isn't my first rodeo. I do a lot of business bowel. i've done a lot of tax. Let me hear what he has to say. If i'm like refunding. Or i have to send money back like some people do just deduct. It's just a roe. V was an and then just send him like three. Someday if i'm doing all this role walking up the taxes. Now i refund. Don't you understand. We process refund. It's a wash you you got the income you down refunded so you deducted wash. I feel like he convinced a lot of his audience that the shit he's saying is true but it's not easy. It would be a problem for everyone but colluded retailers processes trillions or refunds. And you're going to do like a few and think it's gonna fuck your taxes up. I went and pay pal. Ab saying maybe we should hear mouth. I maybe you're gonna let me watch fee fee. There's literally a fee when you receive it. There's a fee when you refund. There's a fema charge factors even fucking bigger fee the cart of edeka who used to stream on youtube. Ip you stream youtube and he used to get donations and he was explaining it perfectly. Like like feeling all streamers have dealt with this. He was explaining like dude. Someone could come into your string monday and they could drop a bunch of like two three four five dollar donations right. Let's say they do like. Let's say they do like ten or fifteen like two dollar donations if they try to charge back. I'm not by the way i'm not talking about is different though. Yeah it's not a refund. I didn't know that they had a lot of people. Are just mixing a lot of stuff here and Some of the some of it must be misinformation like the taxes that that's just one hundred percent not villainous if you got it is money if you refined that it's deducted it's wash it's one hundred percent by the way. It's not complicated. It's so easy you take the amount of money that you've made in your bow. Which so you make three hundred three hundred goes out a wash literally have to do anything about it. You have a net gain. That's what you pay taxes on. But hello fish. They win that case. They're trying to charge back all those donations. You have to pay a twenty dollar fee for every donation plus refund the original money so you lose money donated and out of your pocket. You pay twenty dollars per transaction. And i don't know a pulse changed rules. I don't know if that's why why. Why no that's not true like do dishes. What we've i'm not talking about chargebacks but i'm sure we get charged back so i don't. I can't speak well because we don't deal so much donations when we have a charge back. It's in regard to a purchase and then it goes into a dispute. Promise it a lot because for we win it. Sometimes it's like okay. There was actually a parliament. Google it though. I'm just not that it not that. That's definitive talk further on this he replied He's not available. Oh those poi- what those points are mono understood. He thought it was yesterday. Oh yes los dos best chicken in the game breaking my heart lovie break them are let me see i said. Are you down to call our show tomorrow. When did you say yesterday. He said i'm down. Maybe i did fuck up. It says are you down color show tomorrow and it says wednesday. Oh my god. I thought you know what he's read. I fucked up. Oh my god why something now you down the caller show tomorrow. Jeez us i fucked up. I'm polish is low spoils set on that one. I goofed up okay. My fault we love you. We appreciate you. Look forward to bury the hatchet apologize. I wanted to get to bomber. This those boils. I apologize with peace and love all sincerity. I this is my fault. I own this. This is not okay. Is he streaming right now. I'm not sure with peace and love. I fucked up this one. Something is about Bust streaming now. Well he's got a life is probably live for. Its two should be working. Mary has got something that he planned to do on a day. He didn't think there was a podcast doing taxes. He's at the bank with pencil. And paper being like okay this donation but there's from government refunded. I goofed up but anyway just to just to prove a point and i know he's not here to debate me all right but that's a pretty legendary gopher. I fucked up. Listen i own with beats in love and the chat my fault. I'm sorry to him. By the way i apologize to him for giving him that. Keep it on our charts of these. Various apologies apologies. Somebody's got chart right warning. You with peace and love now. The charge back issue with peace and love. I'm going. I can't comment but i'm sure you're right that that's a pain in the ass. I was talking about the donation. The guy donated three fifty just wanted to refund. Charge back is definitely a lot more room. I coming for sure a we do. We got flocks and the early days of teddy fresh when we didn't know what we were doing somebody defrauded s o out of tens of thousands of dollars a shit. It was crazy now. it was the same guy. He was buying credit cards online and it was all being delivered to the same address so he would by credit cards online and we didn't have any fraud protection anything because we've done everything. We've donald teddy. Fresh has been trial by fire. We didn't know anything now. we know. Obviously there's all these fraud plug ins systems and yada yada is now that we have is the the amount of fraud we've got now is like negligible but So this guy identified says sucker marks didn't know anything so he would buy a credit card off the internet by a ton of product. Then when somebody figured out that it was stolen whatever he would go buy a new one and so he came to. Her website probably hung deliberately hundreds of times but whenever someone saw the charge and figured their card is being used. They would place a charge back. Yeah so we got charge-back it's like for everything you know so once we figure this out this is going on for months and then there was literally hundreds of orders all going to the same address but different name and then like the charge back rate on these was like eighty percent and then all the other ones. We're like well we know it's fraud. So we went back and refunded all of them. But we took such a major fucking loss from that don but anyway yeah it happens a lot but my point if you're trying to return a donation all you do is go on paper and click refund. It's so easy. In fact we did tests just to prove it. Because i was so sure that i was right but so dan donated ten dollars to my pay pal. And all you do. Is you go. There's a refund button right issue. Refund ten dollars ten dollars now. What this says here is so paypal's fee was fifty nine cents. I netted nine. Forty nine forty one from his ten dollar donation and so pay pal. Knowles the fee. They refund thing so ends up costing everybody nothing. Dan gets his ten dollars back. And there's no fee to me. I mean we tested. Thank you dan. We tested it several times. We we tested at once where it was a media and it said something like oh it hasn't been debited from your card yet. So maybe maybe that's why then we did it again. Where it was about. Twelve hours of time and It did the same thing. So i dunno chargebacks a whole different issue though. I'm not gonna argue with you on all. I know something about the best you guys. All influencers streamers just got to get more familiar with the taxes. You know they follow taxes. But he's just saying that people don't understand it. I don't think so. I think there's a lot of misinformation you think so. You think this guy doesn't do like to have a tax person. I don't know we got a five dollars. Donation from a username small penis and he said. Can you refund this No because youtube. I would but youtube. I can't you percent. Youtube is different than A paypal donation because it goes directly through pay pal processors. So i actually can't refunded. It's actually works. Great here. I guess maybe they take thirty percent because i don't have to deal with like refunds and chargebacks youtube problem. You know what i mean. I don't really understand how the processor i'll do shit. They're basically buying something from you to youtube. Gives me seventy percent this chargebacks or refunds or wherever weird shit doesn't even go through paypal doesn't it's just through the so people are saying he's what am i wrong about. Charge backs or prove streamer forfeits to donation amount and pay pal charges. Them a fee for the dispute. Okay that makes sense to me in charge about. Yeah and charged us not. I agree with that one about charge. Yeah finding it was talking about. The whole thing was about refunding three fifty. Am i missing. Something you know but god i mean i. I don't think the guy's scanning me by the way he's not a scammer each pissed off. I get that you know. Dragging come into frame more something is about to bust so we have to actually go visit shaming of so much more stuff. The new male just dropped you guys have heard of the alpha male and the beta amount. Well people have pushed even further brantley. The alpha male is the new beta because they knew male just dropped the sigma mail remained the new mail drops. It's a new iphone man. All news type. It's called the sigma mail that makes alpha seemed like betas and betas are just fucking dirt. They don't even exist anymore. Ho god do people consider themselves betas. Or i think that's just say insult right like nobody's like i'm a beta male or any of you guys males we we don't. We don't hire based not familiar with the terminology sick. Now anyone in real life who actually used those terms like in a serial. Joe rogan literally used that term on iraq. I'm asking them off real life. I knew a guy about ten years ago. That was very into this whole like bro alphabet. It's funny because he worked as a waiter at a restaurant. And i worked at but he like aspired to it that he wanted me. He wanted to be a news anchor. He was like going to school to study journalism or whatever and he would just like ramble about it to everybody. All the time yes was just like why are you so obsessed is looking at each sigma though you want me to read some some attributes of a sigma. Go ahead you guys ready. Cigna's reject the expectations and operate. Outside the stereotype of alpha and beta. They live outside the stratosphere of labels about logan. Paul is a sigma stigma. Brand yeah no no. No you'll see the sigma. They're they're more introverted. Hang on okay. Okay introvert there you. They marched through their own. Don't think about what even needs to be introverted. They're just their own. Being i read. They said introverted is one of the true. I used to have sex sexual my body pillow. What's what is that was that. What is that logan paul. he's just. He's their context to that or he was doing interview and he just the needs to fuck body pillow wonder if he put his head on after ages on it. I russell the bear number. Two sigma stigma material. Value is insignificant. They have their driven by passion and experience and they do not. Neil feel the need to show off. It's all about transcending okay. Sigma males prefer self management self employed. I'm checking all these boxes. I think i might be a sigma. Sigma value privacy. Okay who don. Logan paul e. we do not seek valid. We now i'm just saying we. We do not about patient from others are rely on. People sigma vibes noise. The sigma gang. Maybe we should be the sigma gang. We're all awful. Sigma is just like a beta remastered. That's what i've been saying. This sounds like a bunch of people that are betas that don't like being called beta report. Yeah that's let's say well hold on. Cigna's are humble leaders. They can be in positions of power without more for anyone basically describing the best people. It's like they're kind of the best signals have independent pursuits. We do find that. Like how does this even come to online youtubers. Cigna's control their own lifestyle if anyone tries to dictate their life or restrict their freedom to signal will not tolerate it. Sounds like timothy mcveigh timothy. Mcveigh was the sigma. What would the quarter and be. He's betas come on. I mean what mean which one of these which one of these has. A has a bullet point for peace and defecates in his base. Your own rose. What then wife went out for pizza without me. I want is. There's one there's one you'll see. There's another charge because there's also like gamma and omega and delta all my whole fucking tearless year so who's like them like gamma i think is the one. That's an insult. So i think he might be the gamma and deep undercover. God we just gotta seven dollars. Donation. jeremy from the quartering. Says i just pete in my basement. Good thanks to the chat line. Thank you for the update. Jeremy appreciate that. Do we just assume that this point. Oh the tenth one is signals or the outlier the rare form of male. You skip the one where it says. That they're introverts sigma are confident introverts. They prefer to listen over speaking there. Thoughtful command a room if they want but choose not to some beta shit. That's right that's some beta wa- whitewashing right there. Sickness cigna's need room to breathe. They can get lost in their interesting nor the outside world like timothy mcveigh so stupid all this stupid stupid. Please please. don't follow any of this. Shit the unabomber. It's all dumb. Thank you that's right. I agree as we're all. In a stigma squad no has autism betas sigma dick sigma dick better nine. Hey alpha beta sigma deck. Well dunster get a sigma. Anyway my parents are here. Were handing off theodore. Because they don't come over for covid see him in a while. We're taking a valentine's day weekend. Oh nice early early signs. They're we're staying home but without did or which is called for his party boy. she's ovulating. we're gonna so take everything out wrote Took thought that's yoko. Yeah boys game whatever you did. Tell back to back to me all weekend zach. This is me all we can come on kauai. Some ladies bath with yoko go in their wars black. You boy what you think you could say. You can't play them at the same time technology player on a good one evidently sounds at once. What the hell donate what the what. It was fun anyway about game stop. I didn't really get to hold the hold the line hold up these hedge funds. Fuck robin hood. Fuck all these. Whiny billionaires fuckers. I m putting three zero for real because it was down this morning here ran from your heart like. Aren't you pissed about what about the hedge fund robinhood. Yeah but i feel not at all surprised. I guess so i mean yeah like i guess it's upsetting but this is. This is a fixed game. This isn't shocking. Shouldn't be shocking anybody. Well i don't know that there's ever been this level of just straight up. It's just straight up theft and nepotism. And what do you call. It has been. The thing is just right in plain sight. I mean it's outrageous. Well the difference is there's been a whole explosion of retail investors small investors using things like robin hood or or other apps to do relatively small investments and everything and the thing is the whole explosion. The whole business model for those things is like they're they're harvesting data like there. It's not really about investing like robin hood for example. That's how they make. Most of their money is selling people's data to people not by commission. Sounds like good guys. Right data horse. I mean that's what everybody does. Nowadays the ceo like getting interviewed and he just seems like such a fog. Yeah he reminds me so much shkreli areas. Like oh man. This is really such a douche. But i'll tell you what. I'm pledge inc now. I'm going to invest a shitload of money in two game. Stop an amc might not be. I don't care if saying. I don't care if i lose the most. I'm doing it to hold the line at the fucking i want. These hedge fund definitely surreal omani. Only talking about not only do what you afford to lose. Because it's a very good chance that this is time planning on using it. All i want these hedge fund people to go bankrupt. I despise hedge funds. They literally add nothing value to the economy. They move money around and they hoard cash they screw ordinary investors. They do nothing. Why do we protect these hedge funds. They're fucking criminals and to have the balls this one guy to come on like nbc msnbc crying because it's unfair fuck peace. I'm sure he goes. He goes this. Just a bunch of into these people took their checks from the government. And now they're just trying to screw. This is just active. Hate against rich people. We need to know. Dog send me. The video dischord love that. I mean. say yeah. He's he's worth about. Three and a half billion dollars has been fine multiple times by the sec for insider trading the criminal. He's a criminal he has the ball's on television and say this is just. Did your her trying to hurt rich people here. I think it's this one. Oh i'm sorry. Actually this is it. You didn't give me the link but that's a. He must lost a lot of money. He's done a lot of media hits lately that are all pretty cringe but this is one that kind of went viral. Do you know if this guy he must be losing money on this right. I mean not enough that it was a saw. I literally saw him crying another interview. Fucking psychopath. I don't know it won't play that all bullshit then is up out about to the he's in the market square. Not now not not the reason. The market's doing what it's doing is people sitting at home. Getting checks in the government and this fair share is a bullshit. Concept is just a way of attacking wealthy people. And i think it's inappropriate. We're going to work together. And paul jones work together by the way first of all doing analysis. What do you mean work together. He's first of all they're getting their checks and they're like they first of all that's an appropriate that the government's giving poor sitting at home getting those checks. Yeah those lazy people care about covert the fair shares. Bullshit what exactly do you mean that you. He ease insinuating that he is by. The definition of his existence deserves to be wealthy and other people deserve to be poor. Yeah i believe he was referring specifically in the longer version of this clip. He's referring to a comment by biden about him wanting to raise taxes on rich people essentially and share and share. You faulk well. He takes issue with the concept of fair share. And you know my jaw than you know. People always tell me now. You're rich you. Oh it's it's easy to come from a rich person to fucking shut the fuck up. My my beliefs haven't changed a bit. Since i started making money you know. It's a i forget who said it but it's like when i was poor. They told me that i was here. It is right. What does that here. It is russell brand smart guy. When i was poor complained about in equality. They said i was better. Now that i'm rich and complain about any they say on a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want me talking about inequality right. Yeah that's good. My percents have never fucking changed right so shut up. Yeah i'm gonna hold on on. I'm buying amc and game stop. And i first of all the ansi thing is kind of different than the game something. It's well there's people shorting amc right. Yeah not nearly to this. I mean this game stop. Situation is kind of unique. All i'm all in on game. Stop doj coin making a killing on those too late on the don't know about killing but yeah i made some money. Yes how much. Dan has been gone. Ballistic over the doj point. It's really not that much money. I think i made like nine hundred bucks. Oh that's pretty good money on. Did you exit You know what i did is i took out my original investment. Because you're you're good. Yeah exactly which was how much two hundred and fifty three hundred bucks. That's that's awesome. That i mean like if i put in ten grand. That would be thirty grand right now. So yeah but that would mean you'd have tied up ten thousand dollars for like what five years doing nothing. No i put it in. On tuesday for real coin was going to go. It was like wednesday. I what are you doing buying doj bought it for me a couple of hundred bucks. So there's like i've got other cryptos. That are less mimi. Although it's all about you dance. All astrology. Like to be quite honest with you. Love said he made five hundred dollars yesterday. and there. You go so anybody when you say five hundred ashley exiting no an exit strategy here with doj. Now that's hilarious fun. I just got it there. Trying to limit up to a dollar. We'll see isn't it. Like four cents. It peaked believe last night. At like eight cents. It's not getting anywhere close. I don't think so. I'll put i'll put one hundred thousand. That's funny money right there. Just being rich. I mean you know those were that billionaire does literally fucking okay. Maybe you can tell me. I'm trying to learn always over and over again. What does it mean to short. Sell understand the concept of like you borrow something and the price goes up and so you have to give it back matter higher price. But how the fuck do you borrow stocks. How do you borrow from the money. Market like from essentially banks in other investment firms. That why do they lend you stocks. That doesn't make any sense. They make money by the. It's really complicated. I am not an expert. So i'm sure people are going to be like dan doesn't know what the fuck is talking about and you'll be right but from what i understand When they make these deals where when they create a contract for short they there's a there's a margin that they include they price in a little bit profit for themselves on that contract. And so they're people do it because they they can make money off of selling you the contractor for the shore so they get a commission. Yeah you can think of it that way but do they not stand to lose or gain money based on the stock fluctuating They generally they hedge the the short. So they'll buy the inverse essentially as well too so that if that happens but again i mean it's it's honestly over my head it just doesn't people act. Try to explain like it's so simple understand. I don't understand how you borrow fucking stocks and then traded around. It's just so stupid is it. Is it is stupid. Yes it shouldn't it just doesn't make sense. It does make sense. It makes sense but it should it be something that people are very different. It is meant very simply to invest and businesses. All this bullshit. Long around with gambling and speculating shorting. And it's just fucking ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I no argument for me. I mean i think it's all it's ridiculous. it's just funny mine. And then you know. These hedge funds manipulate the market. All day fucking long the minute they lose their ass they cry and scream because a little fox robin hood fuck you. Then they got a bunch of one star. Reviews and robin and google raced it. I'll tell you what right. That's pretty wild giving. I'm giving them a one star review in one week. I'm gonna wait yes race. All and their background people are like oh dan. that's not right. I told you. I don't know what the fuck i'm talking about. Just don't how he's all over this okay. It shouldn't be. I mean wall street fucking control you know. They have been for a long time. Fuck it means said you don't borrow the stock. It's a contract to sell the stock. That's not borrow. Everybody says they bar. I have no idea what you were talking about. Dan is going to be okay. You can be okay. Did i'll be all right. We'll be alright. I'm investing in okay gaga. Orioles before i go by me just check. Logan pause with feet for soldiers is the war one down to three point seven. We're making a symbol dow. Hear me we have fought the battle but the war is not one here. We shall get logan. Paul to one star. Thank you good borough brow. What the fuck is all right anything else. Here's another video this guy. Crying stupid ass. I think this is scott. These people can not only cbs emotion. On your face. But hear it in your voice. I feel about this lee y care. Oh my god experimentally. He's crying because he cares. Cares about that you where the economy is this house. My god aren't suffering and these hosts these money hoes. Actually take these people seriously. Because i want to show the emotion on your face bro. Warning these people man you better work for the betterment of society or your fucking. I'm just telling you with peace and love. The bad things are going to happen. Rich people eventually salon enough to bring more wealth equality to this country because it should is. Unsustainable people are starving and fucking unable to pay the rent unable to work waiting and foodbank lines. And this asshole has the balls to go and fucking television and cry over billionaires losing money grind over that he was crying for no. He was crying over in that. Yes it was over. This was crying was in that particular clip. I think he was crying about how much he cares about taking care of people. Oh please kinda crocodile. How is that. let me let me go back. That's not what i saw. The said underneath it was about him giving away all done with all the always say yet. Wait senate lincoln boss. I gotta i gotta make sure over here. I got something is about to think a little bit. Let's just going in a wealth tax. I think. I think it's people can not only see emotion on your face but hear it in your voice when you talk about opposition to a wealth tax. He's oh people are asking us to watch. This video of people are saying so was pretty crazy. This was the video that shane asked tricia to erase bush. Saying it's actually not even appropriate for you to not gonna show it but shane when chain. Start getting outed for being a weirdo. He immediately texts attrition told her to remove this video and he's having the sixteen year old boy twerk any slapping his ass. Now i haven't seen it. I've only heard vent that seriously. Vin diesel highly inappropriate outrageous. Not cool graca this insane anyway. I'm not gonna watch it because it sounds disgusting. Video sound really bad now. If you wanna watch try not to spit out your walk. I see what's going on already. Looks now on this camera. The fucking tomato video. It's there but i haven't wash it. And i'm not gonna watch it because it's disgusting and this very young and shane was slapping his asphalt. Torquing weird weird out. It's disgusting we aired out. I i really want to watch it but apparently was on youtube for a long fucking time. Who knows but let's not schuylkill cookery chat asking where. Abc he's here he was. He was When zach was gone he was operating the sound bites so job at it today. So impressed very impressed. Thank you guys thank you. We made we made it. We made it through but now the zacks back can make vin diesel soundbites about the molest very much. That wasn't used vin diesel. All right. well. What can i say. Ethan clients come with the internet. Maybe maybe somebody super chat yo has said three times now that the sirens are triggering be. They shouldn't be used while. Stop with them means because she thinks actually triggering a la the siren ba but like it's not really it's it is a little bit but i'm not like if i wasn't okay won't be played. Hold on. they sound that one sounds different than the one they play in israel. Yeah it's different reminds me that's why it's just a little bit triggering but also it was like a horn of siren anyway but thank you for concerned. Tj huff master. Yeah i'm really not that I can think a lot here on strength is fine. She tough lady. Something is about to what are they. What are they referring to day of reckoning. Something is a bad man Love the care. Bear collab- will there be more. Thank you There will be one race stock. Because we i mean did really well and also a lot of people didn't get to get their stuff because of the international whatever so there will be one race stock and there. There's actually a watch that we were developing for this release but it wasn't ready in time all the watches so-called so would they restock. There will be a watch new product and undies and on the wonderful women women's panties. Sarah horning said the alpha beta thing is like the fuck boy version of astrology. Actually i saw a really great comment or tweet or something about this Pointed out like these due to talk about the alpha versus beta thing. All the time are the exact same people they get triggered about all the different types of pronouns out there. Oh my god that's really interesting so angry about all these different pronouns. And yet they spend all their time categorizing and labeling types of sexuality in men really the thing. I'll just tell you. Any guy ironically refers to himself as alpha male. Turn off walkaway away. I'm telling you we don't want that. It's not funny. Alex jones definitely alpha male. Actually alex jones is like a space mail. He's a gamma ray. 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The Yearly Zeitgeist 2018/2019

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The Yearly Zeitgeist 2018/2019

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Two thousand eighteen thousand nineteen even though we're still Dylan Wilmington pop quiz hotshot. Which one do you didn't peel sweating so the way we've been kicking off as just talking about movies because I think that's the most important and thing about anything I don't know about the entire personality movies of cultivated an entire persona persona around me loving movies. There's no other aspect of my personality. Drops that wow how fucking savage and that was the most savage thing you've ever said about. Dan and I think it was after he left. Yeah he's not surprising. I think it's I think it's like actually he's probably still close enough to have heard it from outside inside the room and that was really mean. I think you need to think about What you're doing the people around you? The annual report Dan who speaks in sound drops sometimes when he doesn't have the opportunity to drop it. Yeah well he's he's good at it though. Let's talk about twenty eighteen. I to take an order. What he guessing? That's fun are twenty-eight. What a year of movie film We had Black Panther great film then we had the opposite in a quiet place place so a quiet place. I did not enjoy Royat. I thought it was an effective movie but I also really thought the read of it. That it's like white supremacists Fear where it's like white people feel like they can't make noises and then these brown monsters like come if you make a single noise and like kill L. U. wasn't interested. Thank that no but I but I think it's an interesting read on like it was about `bout white fragility heard that one. Yeah I hadn't heard that also biggest plot hole farting give me a fucking break. Dade it should be silent but deadly quiet place silent but deadly and when you think about it John Krasinski. He is all about those like outright movies. He's in the Men Gaza or the Benghazi movie. He's in quiet place place. He is Jack. Ryan the agent where he's like Sham People like really need to give the more uh of like more love. They do amazing things for us. Well he got hot now. He's all right. Take sucks like member. Jim like that was such an era. yeah that's passed listeners. Can't cure it but I'm giving in a knowing. Look like Jim in honor of Jim Let's talk about what what else. What movies do we think? Are you gonNA stand the test of time. This is also the year of incredible to dead poll to you deadpool. Tuten was IT DEP- gone out of order but yeah that is did happen. M members the WASP. I mean in Classic Cinema. We've got a lot of citizens came the city tame ambers. The WASP is the citizen Kane of movies with verses in the title. Oh sure alien versus Predator what else Kramer versus crew I feel like a star is born is probably one of the more conic movies from this. Yeah because it's it's. It's a remake so every every time it comes out so unlike give or take part in the background when it stars Arjana Day and I don't know what's another one What's the George? I don't know then we'll be like wow. and which was your favorite version. Of course naturally I will say the Lady Gaga Bradley Cooper One pending. How well that one is made? Sure so I The test of time together and we cried and we laugh. You didn't like I. I didn't like it at all so I don't know I don't think it will stand the test of time I think I don't think it's like I don't think it's a great movie. I think it's we will always get to make it. Yeah because it's a classic stars are always being blown. Remember how bad Barbra streisand was a show. That is a but it's interesting because I've I've heard I've heard it's terrible and when when I heard there were remaking stars born I was like Oh shit that's classic movie and I didn't even know anything about it so so I don't know I feel like I just think the phrase a star is born is just yeah like old Hollywood's ooh. I'm always saying it. Every time somebody comes comes on our show and they say something funny I go. Hey a star is born kid which always turn to a camera. That's not always heck. Yeah Oh aw some movies that happened. That seemed to have just disappeared from air memory Jurassic world fallen kingdom happened also ballot of Buster stor scruggs that went directly to net flicks. But no one. I forgot it was made specifically for a straight to Right Video Disney's Mary poppins returns was like a movie that I was expecting big things from sure. Yeah just kind of came and went out of. I don't know if it was a box office flop. No one cares. Roles Blah Red Sparrow. Oh Yeah I see Ooh you saw that. Yeah the cranberry thing. WHY JUST NO I? Haven't you see everything Dork. Okay talking Sir okay Sorry I I've seen a solid probably eighty percent of the movies on this more good. I'll tell you which ones are the good good ones. Okay please. Spiderman into this verse is not only the best movie of two thousand eighteen but one of the best movies of the decade. Thank you very much taking questions. At this point I did have that highlighted as one of the iconic movies they stand the test of yes indeed. Let's see women that is. Ah Let's see. Do you see movies just like disappear from like it's just like they're big when they come out and like everyone's like oh I can't believe Spiderman or Superman Bruce Batmans coming out and then like I don't remember anything like Nolan Nolan's DC movies were. It's like great classic and iconic but like every it's just been shit Also sorry to bother you. I think Oh I yeah yeah I quite understand the the whole concept of like having to pretend to be white. Basically the white boys feticide Fed Association Russian. Yeah lag of black culture. There's a great scene. Where like he clearly is just giving the white people what they want like rap wrap okay? Army hair billionaire. Who the fuck? So that's I feel like that's just That's that's our society like in a nutshell and I doubt that's going to change anytime soon. Similar themes were explored in black KLANSMAN. As well I actually like specifically the white voice What are some other ones that you think are classics? That will stand the test of time from two thousand eighteen shape when he was Game Night No. I'm kidding actually really like it was a blast fast. I can watch it anytime on TV. Put It on. It was fun. I thought Cock blockers was surprisingly fresh and funny and and more progressive than you'd expect of like a teen sex romp type boiler alert called Cocker's let you wrote on the tape. Ah also interesting. Foreshadowing of but chugging coming up in the brick cavanaugh trial yeah Gets drunker Brown ready player. One another one. That famous came and went. Oh Yeah I did see that skip it. Everybody ready player one and BF. Spielberg is on a run of just movies. That are going away. PF G big suffolk and giant. Big fucking Lookin' giant big friendly giant. Oh I don't even get kids movie that nobody saw four Spielberg movie All right let's talk about the Top Ten stories in order so the Parkland school shooting was the number one story. It happened on Valentine's Day which I hadn't hadn't realized But there have been I was wondering you know they were like this was not in their right up of this. This was not the previous shootings Because kids actually look asked for change and got it And I hadn't really remembered remember jr or like paid enough attention. I guess to know like how much legislation actually got passed but So Florida Florida passed the Marjory Stoneman. Douglas High School Public Safety Act which raises the age to purchase guns to twenty one from eighteen. That's pretty pretty good. Federal government effectively banned bump stocks. Right Then there are some just like stay a bunch of state laws but eleven eleven states passed laws in two thousand eighteen the restrict gun access to people linked to domestic violence which is a very important 'cause of You know murder is people who've committed acts of domestic violence right which is so interesting that we slowly past all these laws in different states and stuff but We still have such a serious problem. It's like we've done. We've taking a step but we have so far to go. It's like step one. Step a hundred more stuff right. I think that's why I was like wait. Oh I guess there was some some gun. Legislation passed but it does feel we gotta keep going. Yeah like there's still been massive a ton of we still have shooting so often often that I'm like all right. Wait sorry what was from last week. I can't remember a shooting going back through the decade lake. This is the last of the episodes where we're doing like like bad years and review for the whole decade and like there are legitimately like huge news story mass shootings that I totally believe like didn't remember the just like lead into other ones. I we should never not remember a mass shooting right. There shouldn't and they're just shouldn't be so many they are our brains confuse them. Forget about them The number two story was the trump Russia. Probe Muller Time Nine. Am I right when you break it down by year It as we have over the course of this series it becomes clear that like every year has enough scandals to be an ministration defining disaster. Like and then you then something else happens right like I forgot about Michael Cohen existing rate. Remember Michael Cohen. Oh currently what a mess but yeah I mean this one came up a little little bit short because of Media Red Queen like where nothing will surprise us anymore because the more bad shitty shitty does the worst the shit has to be to like. Get our attention because otherwise it just like drowns it out but like I'd totally forgotten about the stormy Daniels thing thing because it seems tawdry and he didn't sexually assault her but she was. She was physically intimidated by somebody While she was putting her infant daughter into a car I think yeah but if this was and she was arrested in places that he's just intimidated nonstop like they were finding ways to fuck with her. Yes God bef. Democratic Administration Fox News would be melting down in the mainstream media would be follow their lead impeach them. This was the year so we talked about how two thousand seventeen December two thousand in seventeen I think was when the first Weinstein story broke But two thousand eighteen was when it sort of you know we. We started by nine. Yeah we started seeing more and more people People started paying attention to the fact that Bill Cosby was a rapist and he was sentenced to prison Larry Nassar the former Michigan State and USA gymnastics. Sports doctor was convicted of molesting hundreds of young women. Weinstein was charged with Rape Les Moonves says was ousted as the top executive at CBS You know it's kind of amazing about the Michigan Larry. Nassar thing is that we we watch Olympics. We love gymnastics as a country. We literally these women. These young women go out there and do some of the craziest jumps and tour twirls. Feels like I'm like down like truly the thing the amount of athleticism they bring to that. It's taboo have the venue. Whatever it's called it's comedy club unreal? It's so they're so good at what they do. And most of them are dealing dealing with a sexual assault by Dr who they were supposed to trust to make sure that is to have that sort of like I have such respect for these women like it makes me just just like it makes me feel anything I've ever gone through is pointless because like I'm watching. These women have to compete for gold medals and also be sexually assaulted by the doctor who they are supposed supposed to trust and rebels to be watching after them it's just it's unreal and it's I think we really have to give these women so much credit for continuing to do what they do. You and just incredibly yes and then even like Simone biles was molested. It's so fucked up. And then she goes and it goes like well fuck. I have to keep my head up and keep going. It's it's so important to acknowledge what these women have gone through and still come out and be like I'm a gold medalist right. I I kept my head up. I got through this and I want a gold medal. So that's huge but yeah I mean this is I feel like this is when it became clear that this wasn't an isolated problem or an industry problem. I think it's been cleared to women but I feel like the mainstream media finally came came around to to the fact that you know when women reported sexual assault up to this point there were they predators. There's relied on it and the men were protected. Yeah men were like actively protected all right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey Miles it's me Jack Right here who right next to you next to me just like a work. Hey I wanted to Join with you to tell people to tune into a very special episode special APP. Yeah of the this is was actually. Look I know you saw the social media is at the Elliott. 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No if you get off your rocking chair and into the year twenty nineteen you will see that. There's no waiting waiting in lines. Their customer service they you can hit them up in any possible way text chat tweet anything well guys if you're ready to learn more or switch to visible than head to visible dot com slash. TDC To get twenty dollars off your first month service when you sign up an exclusive special offer just for dailies I guys listeners as visible dot com slash td and. We're back and so they had as a separate story from the Marjory Henry Stone Men Douglas Story which. AP readers voted number one. Mass shootings was a separate story. That was their number four. They talked about how twelve people were killed at a California country. Music Bar That was pretty close to here I had totally forgot about that I was in I think it was. It was close to Paradigm like where a lot of Pepperdine students and there was just two months after the Parkland shooting. Eight students and two teachers were killed at a high school in Santa Fe in Texas says in June. A gunman shot five employees. At the Capital Gazette newspaper. An apple is Maryland And then in October eleven people were killed in The tree of life synagogue and Pittsburgh so yeah I mean this is all in addition to the worst mass shooting of the air And the tree of life thing was white. Supremacist who supported trump capital. Gazette was a conservative. Who thought the media was out to get had him at the height of trump's the media's than me the people you're That was also days after my low claimed that he couldn't wait for a vigilante squad to start gunning journalists down onsite yes the it's the fact that these people feel empowered by this presidency to go out and enact violence this is I mean one of many horrible things about this presidency but I it's the the effects are so devastating and the fact that he's taking that trump is taking no accountability for it and facing so concentrating no consequences he's empowering like just white supremacy to White supremacist to just be out in open and and kill people and one there. Nothing's changing when you when you look at the Like when you look at it across like a series of years it's like I've talked before about how The Nazi like in Nazi Germany. By the end by the end of the rise of Hitler they were just bored by the news story so is just like nobody Israeli writing about it anymore. Because they're tired of writing the same story over and over and over again and that seems like what happened like over the course of the first three years of of his presidency. It was just like yeah. He's a racist but we've already said that. Yeah like what else. What else are you going to say? You know I mean titanic. The Incredible Nineteen ninety-seven James Cameron Film. Never heard give him something new to print you know. That's what always bothered. I mean current really bothers me when Obama comes out and tries to be like we don't need such an intense change. We need to think about this. It has to be Mathias Fuck. You wouldn't dare you like we. We need an overhaul of this guy I am. I don't understand y'all got to go. Yeah because research is not changing. You don't care you just want to be a politician to say you're a politician at this point you're not doing. Everyone is upholding the status Addis Quo and the status quo is bad. Yeah needs so how dare you look like. WHOA WHOA? WHOA how dare you go so far left? It's like yes because we're watching everything. Go down and you guys are ignoring it all. Yeah like how dare we control Hashtag gun control. One positive in this year of news was the. US Midterm Elections I still remember like the moment. There is this moment early on in the night of the midterm election results when it looked like it was going to happen again and just like I. It was so depressed for like five minutes but literally I was just like Oh. It's not nothing makes sense like we're just it's everything and then the Democrats kind of the Democrats ended up winning by seven percent over. It's Nice it was nice would be enough to beat trump in a presidential election seven. Like you can't lose by seven percent in the popular vote and nationwide and still maintain. I don't think so can you. I don't I don't know the rules will the electoral yeah. Technically Oh Schill. Yeah East if Christopher Nolan says it inception is an allegory for moviemaking. Make people than I say the game bold of we'll save anyways. Hopefully I don't know there's one of the few things like gives me hope is the adage. You know participation dissipation in the midterm elections. The fact that it was like a record turnout and the democratic side won by seven percent. And we've got to stay mobilized baby rate right stay ready Toivo in less good news one of the other big stories of the year was US immigration and and the fact that this administration was putting children in cages. So what a world we live in. And guess what they're still dylan cages. Yeah nothing's changed Ray. Two thousand eighteen was the year they started putting children in cages. Wow have love concentration camps in our country right now for children for children. The dots were children that live separated from their parents. Who may they never go see their parents again because no one keeps track of paperwork apparently either right like ooh Hoo sorry? We don't know where your parents parents are. Because we deported them. And you were here. which is I think that? How is there not a log that it feels very he likes? Shouldn't that be illegal. Because like you're taking the child from their guardian and then then the Guardian Year for the Children Parent print and then too bad no longer. There's a guardian to make decisions for them. So you would think that shouldn't be legal yet. Here we are. Life seems to be burning in how the world is. I don't get it like I. Just don't get why there's no we need more legislation in regard to this moving forward because that's that's that's a dangerous dangerous game to be just taking children. I mean the legislation should be. Let's not separate children from their families but it seems like that doesn't matter so it's like if we're we're GonNa do that then you gotta come out come up with a way to get these kids home safely like you can't keep them here. I mean maybe that's the more realistic version one of it. But just I mean it's true but no one should just step in and be like okay all right right. It won't be me because I don't understand anything anything but someone should one of my real life spider man to come in and day out. Yeah Yeah what could they do. Please don't know anyone. There's lots of lawyers working on it not enough not enough enough. The lawyers work in human rights. And there's no money in human rights the fucking saddest thing in the world. We don't put money into human rights. Cavanaugh was narrowly confirmed in two thousand eighteen us and we can sorry sorry show. Buffet been openly lied about Shit and got away with it. Have you ever seen angrier. Your man defensive like well have you ever had a okay. You're shrieking no I haven't have you. He he was so fucking entitled he was killing instead of doing like well she shrieked yeah. He's real he was he was being shrill. Yeah like he was doing. I don't know I don't know. He seems legit. What this going on the show G. Killing and Dan Martin again classic Saudi his reaction Trump's reaction this would be an administration defining? Fuck up for anyone else. History will see it that way. I don't know what is happening. What the fuck yeah? It's when you look could it. From like a a year by year perspective it's pretty wild Things are bleak things are real bleak. Everyone Aurelio railway is there will be dead in thirty years not be here anymore I it sorry sorry real quick. What I've been thinking about a lot is the connection between Jeff Bezos Washington Post Jamal Cashew G. and Saudi Arabia? It's very interesting when you look into it with. Tell US Gee wrote for The Washington Post. Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post. Saudi Arabia tried to hack. Jeff bezos. I don't know I don't have like a theory or anything here. I've just been thinking the hack him remember when he came out I was like. I'm getting ahead of this year my sex and we're all like Oh you're myself off base host Brag about Lame old man billionaires billionaire. Dick Remember wasn't it the NBA was the one who sent the NBA direct. Who knows what's really going on? But like they stayed happened yes was who he was sexting sexing NBA Click this link for my picks and got them to never click a link. You don't know where it came from. That's all I'm saying Our Gang I mean there's so many other just incredibly depressing pressing like climate change was one of AP's tough stories California wildfires which are very related. But yeah that that was the year of the like Super Wildfire. We're like a wave of flame just came through and districts like literally like melted cars Harz. Lick cars are just like melted into puddles And like in seconds anyways It was a nightmare but unfortunately two thousand nine hundred has been perfect. That's been the best way ahead happier should we. Should we talk about some movies from twenty nine thousand nine hundred ninety. Take you to say when I see people kissing I I don't yeah so hi this is how I look. This is tough because up to this point crew. Let's which is just like a four. I'm a father twenty nineteen. It's tough because up to this point we've been looking at the movies and like I feel like I had enough of enough enough distance to be like. Oh that movie seems like it didn't happen or that movie feels like it's just as relevant today as it was when it came out twenty nine thousand nine. He's movies are still happening to us. Some of them are still in theaters. Chow shout but we can still. I'M GONNA go down and another thing is the the method that I've been using where I just typed twenty like the year and then movies and then look at whatever. Google's results are does not work when it's this year or maybe it just doesn't work in general but parasite and uncut gems which are my favorite favorite movies of the year. So far didn't like we're just no hair on the entire list unreligious. Good people loved uncut gems. I love love turned into a parasite your family just FYI do. I'll be there to the parasite me my whole family is GonNa coins are working for you slowly but surely okay true I secured very scary here the best movies of the year. Okay ready okay. Not the best but the ones I had most. It's fun watching okay. Starting with Hobson Shock. Yes good house. I had a blast. It was fun is fun hustlers. uh-huh really enjoyed it. I liked book smart. Love the farewell. That was a great film C.. Detective Pika Chew a blast. Last out of ten on the CAITLYN ROMP. Oh meter own ready or not another ten out Outta town on the rump. I liked it was a young woman gets married to Indu like a one percent. Fan like a one percenter her family rich family and they play this game to like induct turned to the family which is a murder game and she has to survive through the night? Eight or else likes a curse will befall the family So it's like a It's a how do I describe it thriller Kinda kind of a hope but like a a light totally more light Kind of fun. Robbie thriller Dora in the lost city. It was so much fun. I watched that I loved it. I thought the trailer had some really solid jokes. I was this. This is a dumb but I really want this. CGI Monkey was the worst part of it. If you can get beyond that it is so funny. It's funny it's the Best S. parts I thought were the CG well. I guess that's on me. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back with more from from Caitlyn's ramp meter back. 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I'm on the go anywhere anytime any who anyhow and also with Mazda connected your car. You have Wifi. You could do remote engine start stops. You can stunt on your wonderful well. And Plus I've been in the thing and I was bending corners in shout out to Mazda for letting that happen so if you want more information on Mazda in the first ever see X.. Thirty head over to Mazi. USA DOT COM. This is Iheart or better yet. Go check it out in person at a local area Mazda dealer. Today and we're back and CAITLYN's rumpled meter has just gotten started. God started okay. we've got a the lighthouse scores twenty out of ten on the ramp of the possible. It's not only well. It's only possible for the White House but I'm also kidding. It's not it's not around but I still quite liked to actually Robert. Patterson it's a bit of a romp. Right Patterson Pat Pat Patton Patterson. I don't know man Ted Robbins. I man the lighthouse starring Paddington. He's he's already got the hat. Fisherman's cap putting thank. Thank Tang own. Alright anyway okay. We've got us. Is it true that the lighthouse has seen where somebody jerks off to scrimshaw. What is scrimshaw? The drawing and whalebone There's there's definitely a jerk off scene to like figurine of a mermaid was funny right. Cool anyways sorry. Go ahead Some other movies. I quite enjoyed were us except for the last ten minutes Let's see Scared always be my maybe the not fall a two part and the beginning and then I had to take my son out of the room because he said what are they doing. Are they wrestling in the car. And the car. Yeah thank you. Finally see representation take on screen. Let's be real oh cool. Asian dudes can get it. Yeah true your children are Asian Jess thanks. I don't know I didn't. I didn't realized a weird the audience who don't know knives out. I loved a lot. Oh yeah that's all that so got to see you. Must Google. Yeah terrible taste in movies. Let's see what are some movies that seem like they didn't come out this year. The lego movie to that that came out this year Zam I saw it but wait. Oh I did see Suzanne. Max came out like ten years ago. Well because you're thinking of Kazan no I'm not thinking of the one where the guys blowing a bubble and he's a superhero. Who Plays Chucker? Who Played Chuck on that show? Yeah Chuck how does he cast and I wondered that myself and some White Guy. I don't know they're trying to Redo his his career. Maybe yeah they really are. You got a good agent feel like joker big movie this year guys. Oh I'll jokers out. Aw Yeah tell me a I thought it was. All things considered a like ineffective character study is just that the character that were studying. The real problem is that that is a really wildly demonize is mental illness. So not good you know. I'm not saying nothing new here. Sure but if it gets nominated for any Like Oscars I'll be furious. It will now. You're saying it like it just like this man is mentally ill and now. It's escalating in a way where he's going to do something really dangerous until we haven't seen him like murder a bunch of people well and and it's blaming his violence on his mental illness. And you have to go through some convoluted plot things for him to turn to violence. It's a little bit. I feel like it's like yeah. Okay I get you anyways. Toy Story for is my favorite movie of the year. Oh sure it is a lot of fun baby. I keep wanting to be Fred. The the guy from The B fifty. Two's in the Light House Bay Keanu reeves had a good year. This year yes he was John Luke. Three twenty three three or iconex always be my maybe always be my. Maybe and maybe I liked John Wick a lot. John Quick Three. Yeah I really just the I am not really an action movie person. I get bored very easily. Okay moving along right This movie I just thought it was so well done specifically the knife throwing seen what the fuck was going on. He hasn't seen. It was moving so quickly that I was like. Wow this is a why. Don't Captain Marvel came out this year. WHO's in that Brie Larson? Oh she was captain. Captain Marvel vendors. Endgame seemed like it happened years and years and years ago but it was this year and I rather enjoyed it I found I I liked it. Is it time travel writing so I loved it and also Spiderman far from home. I also enjoyed Loyd European Spiderman European vacation right. Yes yeah here. The worst movies of the year ready. Yeah I just hated once upon a time in Hollywood yeah also alita battle angel was bad. hurt Eiser so men in black international analyst. Bad what men want was a movie that yeah we did that here in our studio radio. Yeah yeah so for this. As of this recording nobody has written or a lot of people haven't written their year review the top news stories articles in the ones that I found I did not like so instead I just looked at Google Four like what the top searches were Of the year. It's kind of fun. It's already all right. Disney plus was the number one search of two thousand nineteen and you know what I'm GonNa say rightly so great product Disney. Do you have a yeah same. Yeah well be about it. Highly early recommend greatest. Or what is it great. Dogs world's greatest dogs at a shyly recommend a TV show. or it's like a special little one hour and a half like little thing on like the NAT. Go signed short guys. It is a wild ride cats one or there might be. I haven't I there might be. I would have to go look but these dogs are riding scooters. They're making phone calls recording podcasts. We really won't know well they are riding scooters but the rest I was just joking around like they're impeaching presidents. I've learned to pitch a dog podcast. And when what I mean is dogs record a podcast on this network dogs record a podcast. Yeah they communicate into the they. Talk into the. Mike's what the language do they speak. Whatever Park into the Mike Globally? Wonderful because you can translate into every language which is the universe of leading edge. Jack Jack takes us to the top. This is a money maker okay. Three two deaths AFS Cameron Boyce and Nipsy Russell. We're the next to cameron voices the Disney Channel Star then Hurricane Dorian Antonio any oh brown. NFL player who went from like being I thought he was. I Dunno Just super talented. But like not bad as a human being to just S- world's biggest super villain rapist and horrible in person. I guess you don't need those anyways. Luke Perry another death or D.. It was just in like he was just in once upon a time in Hollywood so I was like yeah. He plays the like in the movie scene. Where he's in like the wild west where he's playing a bad guy and he's got his lap and he luke Perry walks in as like a the threat? Whatever savior person? This is what I was just like. WHOA that's point didn't look and then it was just like damned? That's like must've been his last role. Yeah it was his final future performance. How did he die of a stroke? I don't think I yeah. Yeah Yeah No. That's what it was. But it is the nation's fifth leading cause of death yes stroke avengers endgame newsletter the top search and then game of thrones. You guys remember that. When people are watching game of thrones? What's that what that was like a show with like a Dragons Lay May that does feel I guess it doesn't feel longer long ago. It just feels like I can't believe I ever give a shit about the iphone eleven and ooh baby. I do not have an iphone. Eleven I still have the iphone eight and Sam. I like it. I grew up on. I didn't even know there was like an iphone. Nine or ten. There wasn't a nine wasn't a nine. Oh they skip the nine. They went straight to the X.. which was the ten was it? Did they do apple makes its own rules. I don't you know what anyone thinking is anymore knows. Tim Apple Remember that when people this is fun top hop searches that started with the phrase. What is your yeah? What area fifty one Yeah I think because there was like that mainstreaming of area fifty one terrace storming also member. Yeah the facebook event to be like. We're doing it. We're finally going people really like a store or something. What's really what is a VISCO girl? It's v the SEO. Is that how it's pronounced. Yeah I mean it's an APP that you can get that no I know I know because I saw this back in the. Yeah Yeah No. These are the top most search but are is it pronounced Seo. I always say. I don't know I've never heard anyone. This go fuck. I look like such an idiot but I also don't talk to a lot of people about this. Could you imagine I mean. Just go the look at Baby Yoga and you'll feel better of SEO girl if that's becoming a mean by the way away my people are like Oh maybe yoga is because I think John Maher tweeted it. He's he had the same confusion. We're both old old whites gotTa Watch out for employees which had totally forgotten about that. We're I'm not asking. I know I'm like just I'm really just talking out for myself. Okay weird like creature creature like big big. You guys like this really stringy black baby yoga. It kind of like the slender man. Oh Is Slender manish. It was basically a myth that there were a bunch of videos on YouTube. Where here oh you recognize that lady recognize that Gal so it was like a myth that she was getting people to kill themselves? This is my favorite. What is a boomer? So Jack the thing we need to understand going What is quid? Pro Quo what is camp fashion. What is Disney plus weird? What are the Burbach about? How is that this year? Well here's what I know about it. It's not a box that was was bitten by a radioactive. Maybe maybe it didn't come out this year but that joke that you made a bird is a bird of a nose. The guy's really young man delorean. That's still something could google. Even though I've seen the show asking what is it and I. It seems to be some guy who has to wear a helmet. That's all I know people from mandal lower. That's let's thing that's it. Oh I think it's a talent a town. I think it's a planet it's like the movie the town. Okay all very boss. Tony this is all GonNa send very dumb to people who actually know what the Mendelssohn the Laurean is it's people from manned allure and what is brexit which fine what is it. More power our to click. Show less. Shola you're GonNa Click that on this podcast. Well guys. That's been the a year two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen. We did it too sexy years right. I peaked during those years. Twenty all downhill downhill nope. Twenty twenty can be way better best year ever okay. I hope for gun control. I hope for not this president it anymore. You're thinking like pence takes over. No I'm thinking we vote him out. Yeah predictions for Twenty Twenty Nagai's one prediction each and go on now. Baby Yoga becomes a sex symbol baby. Yoga Oh gosh just joking I know I think apple plus potentially maybe shutters apple plus Oh is it. Disney plus will maintain strength. I think Disney will have a big year. That's my prediction apple. Plus I don't know how well it. We'll I mean maybe we'll do I just it just feels like they're kind of they're grasping at straws. I'm like I don't. It's not something I'm going to subscribe to until I do. Yeah Yeah I'm thinking big year for Disney big year bore. That's it doesn't either way you Disney's can keep doing Disney. Yeah Wow oh you do you. Disney what while we predictions Well I should've taken more improv classes. I don't know I predict that WE'RE GONNA have a new president. Yeah thank you for saying 'cause I I know. One was apparatus that there will be controversy about the outcome of this election so sate man you will lose. But he won't allow himself to lose. He won't step down won't what is that thing called when they say lake. Except the lost concede concede there. 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Episode 447: Kin-Dza-Dza (1986)

The Projection Booth Podcast

1:33:54 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 447: Kin-Dza-Dza (1986)

"Christopher media let's make some noise Honest what my opinion. UH At least sort of Beloki Cabetican has much in could be machine. I added. I'm a brief cool welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host. Mike White showing me once again is MS Jennifer hand. Orf Do also with us is Mr Dan Martin Hello. Sifi December continues what they look at the nineteen eighty-six film from Georgie. He then Kinsahsa respect for drying. I am trying my best and I'm going to try character names. It's going to be fun. It's it's a story of two men who are transported to planet to pollute where they have to navigate the barren landscape and strange culture of the people that live there will be unpacking their rituals and the anthropological implications of Pook as we go along. I don't necessarily think that will be spoiling the film for people who haven't seen it yet as I don't think there's too much much to ruin in the film It's more about the journey than the destination when it comes to Kinshasa so Jennifer heads. You've seen this one before you agree to be part of the episode. I had not but having seen it a and having seen a lot of people who I think were influenced Mel I think maybe I'll have seen aspects of it that now feel familiar. It's a bit watching. It's a bit like having deja Vu if you've ever enjoyed Terry Gilliam morning of that sort of check mystical realism stuff. That Terry Gilliam really Andrew from so no. This is my first time though. It feels as though I may have once seen in a dream. How about you? Dan Seen Bits but not the whole thing. This was also the first time. Watch for me. I'd had this film for years on. DVD that eventually. Even though I hadn't seen it I upgraded to BLU ray silly me. Is there a blue right. Yeah I can't remember where I got it from but maybe musk's film perhaps and then. I know that there's a German company that's going to be putting it out very I shortly to hopefully with English subtitles. This was everything that I hoped it would be. I had heard about it for years. I heard that there is this strange Soviet science ends fiction film where people spoke in a whole different language That's not necessarily true because eventually they do start speaking Russian and a little bit of Georgian. But wow it really plays with that stranger in a strange land trope and I really dug it. Yeah it's it's a lovely lovely thing when the very first shot when it's when it's tracking across the desert we were trying to work out. How much of that was real? How much of that was painted with? It was miniatures and throughout the film. They're all like match cuts between these amazing. I think jen you looked it up and it was a it's a real drain. Say isn't it the way they were filming but as match between that on some really lovely miniature work as well often you. It's hard to tell which is which it's really gorgeous home. Well and this and this film was well it takes purely from an imagined agent world. It's obviously you know if you're if you're a big sci-fi fan it's obviously a humanoid planet where the where the aliens very much look like humans and there's not anything to distinguish them other than their kids culture. The made up vocabulary was something I really enjoyed. Because I'm hard of hearing and so. I just sort of gently Lee edged into not knowing what they were saying. At any given point I enjoyed for a good part of the film imagining that they were just saying. Cool Cool Daddy. Oh that's cool. Every time they spoke about anything which gave it a bit of a positive spin for about twenty minutes which is Great. It's a weird journey. I mean it's a weird journey for them. It's weird journey for the audience. It's a weird little earning this film. Do you know what the linguistic basis of coup is Mike a lot of the other words. They use a based on Georgian words. Woods or all puns. I guess references but I couldn't find anything that said won't coup was the inspiration for coup was unnatural where it comes from though. I know that the film almost got into trouble. Because coup sounded like the initials of a Soviet or Georgian leader at one point so so but then apparently they were ousted very quickly after the film came out the the leader not the film and Yeah so there's all this controversy about that and then also so when they played at a film festival and I want to say it was Portugal. But I'm not sure that that meant the Kumon swearword so they were getting into trouble at a film vessel for a made up word in there. Is that's amazing and talking about getting in trouble. I was really surprised the film with this direct a critique critique of political codes of conduct and you know it straight satire if nothing else and it's interesting to see that it was allowed to be made in supported awarded that time that's all it's point obviously anti-capitalism and like sort of social hierarchies but the KGB also feature heavily heavily in its in its police metaphor. I think or I guess like with a lot of the Soviet Era Sipho as you as long as you want visibly ruder about the Soviet system than you are about the decorative west than it was kind of okay well and it's all taking place on a different planet's not like this is really about the Soviet Union right. They were still pretty touchy about. This is something else in my why native ISM came forward at this point where I kept trying to make something of the fact it was called Planet Pluto because I just read it in the subtitle and I kept reading it as Pew can I thought. Oh well maybe there is like no now. Obviously it was written in Russian originally. And there's no there's no connection whatsoever but I couldn't figure out what what planet pollute. Luke was related to either. That was bit talking talking about the different words though And I maybe someone's got it in front of them but the name of the the name of the police Is Apparently the Russian word for police backwards the name for the police class. So there's a lot of word play which I feel probably someone someone with a with a much better grasp of Russia Georgian than I could probably unravel along there. Yeah the whole thing about. The prison is based on a Georgian word for prison apparently which is a bathtub and some bathtubs are filled with nails and others aren't and then you get locked in there and shoved amongst all these other bathtubs. It feels a bit like something a kid would would threaten you with like. I'm GonNa put you in a bathtub full of nails that's like it's it's very it's very childish of its ways days. Have you seen the remake. Mike I have. Yeah I've I've not seen it but I've I've so skimmed through the automation. It's interesting to see what he's is. Capped absolutely the same on what. He's changed because things like all. The prisoners evolve. Feels like like it might be a budgetary attorney decision because you know those cheap and yet that is how it is drawn in the animation as well. So He's stuck with. That will be interesting. It'll be interesting to compare and contrast when Sary's against the early alien the creature's on on pook feels like this movie had just such threadbare budget but then you look at the special effects in your like these are actually pretty good special effects like the actual flying machine that the two aliens that we meet. It's like that actually looks pretty decent. That looks better than some special effects. I see now especially on the sci-fi channel. I think lots of things look great when you compare it to this life lunch even the row pissed of puppets is still real thing that exists in the real world and so it never feels unreal. And it's charming enough that you've you willingly boy into it exactly. CGI It has. It has that crappy happy handmade charm that things like money fallen in like I said earlier Terry Gilliam and the like like shrank. Meyer and that kind of stuff really lenten Clinton to an it's an aesthetic. That really means something. When you're in it is a dystopia world like this? It's the sort of the the budgetary aesthetic of Gallium Jones Jones. And then the tech aesthetic of Gilliam. Very much borough from this. I'd say I like it very much. Reminds me of the of the behind the scenes Agnes's Brazil like inbetween the walls of Brazil particularly the future escapes into of monkeys. As well. If you look at how how much Gilliam sort of based himself on on Carl's Eamon. He's obviously a fan of eastern cinema all eastern European cinema so. I'd be surprised if you hadn't seen this. Yeah that that was something thing also started to wonder. Like how far did this actually get distributed at any given point. When was it actually released? Because it's it's the kind of thing Were you could imagine certain certain people watching it and completely ripping it off in in the late eighties early nineties but equally how often was actually being seen in someone's living room in in nineteen eighty eighty nine in England of the states are wherever you have you know so we should talk a little bit more about the plot here this begins on earth and it begins pretty. Normally we've got our main character Vladmir. Who is a builder? He checks in with his wife in the morning. He's office on his way to work. And then he just so happens to run into the man Jetta von who comes up and he's like. Hey there's this guy over here without out any shoes we should probably help him the go over and talk to this guy and he is asking about what number they are in the galaxy. Because he's trying to get home home. Obviously we're thinking this is just a homeless dude. WHO's maybe a little crazy until they hit a button on this little machine that he's got and then are instantly transported to this desert landscape there? They're just thrown into Iraq. You know so it's or tattooing if you prefer it does it's very cheap and this whole movie has that great aesthetic and it's this whole thing where they then meet these two Aliens Bay and West off and bay. Is this taller guy and weapons this little a little dude and we learn through. Oh little bit of time that they are of two different classes and that classism is just this major thing and it's basically how Pook the planet works is people of one class Lording it over another class and we talked last week or two weeks ago when we talked about creating the humanoids about the hold star belly. Snatches thing and it's like it's so arbitrary because there's a machine that they have where they point at you and if it shows up green than you are a pot sock the the lower class and shows up horns your what is it a chat chat havoc and then to further confuse the issue depending on what planet you're on their ranking is the other around so depending on what what group you ended up in with which it was a brilliant way of just nothing was consistent which is a bit late coca. Ask in that way that the second you you think you know the rules then suddenly. There's another rule that twists all around. When I was a child oiled one of the very few videotapes we had in? The House was an animated Asterix movie. That wasn't based on one of the books called the twelve talks of Asterix. I think maybe they did a book lighter and it can one of the tasks was to you know get a document something or other signed over at the Roman Bureau works also and and it turned into a bureaucratic nightmare of the highest old with them having to go from office to office because they have this one this form until they've got these full they have to request that phone with that full and it always comes back to mind when I'm stuck in sort of paperwork nightmare and this felt very aligned with that in the the show totally unaware of the rules and the younger guy is a little bit of cake and came so wanting to just smash everything off and he's a clubs the tunnels to some extent but he's he's at actual KLEPTOMANIAC but they're constantly about the fact that they're they don't know the rules. Josh the opening in Russia were there at the moment where the were young. Our young lead walks up to our older lead and says you know commerce brother may be rather than call Madam. Yeah I thought I might be over rushing up in my memory but This guy needs help you know. He's gone looks yet. And it's it's I just love the idea that you could grab someone else in the street and say we need to help someone. We've just had a fairly significant election in the UK. And I think you know we could all do with giving ourselves to each other but the U. K.. Right now But I love okay. So that's one of the philosophies that it starts with. Is this idea of taking care of people who needs to be taken care of. And then secondly or ostensibly are time travelers slash Mentally ill displaced human and is saying no no no. Just tell me the coordinates of your planet. And they've got no idea what he's talking about and they assume he's insane because they don't understand the rules of what he's talking about now later everyone's GonNa look at them like they're insane. I love the bit where they're trying to find out what the coordinates is. Just tell tellers the specific gravity century Dr Bob I love. I love that. They're being looked like how do you. How do you okay? Fine just tell us the the circumference of your planet and it's like it's all this kind of stuff that you can imagine in an interplanetary kind of world being really basic knowledge like your street number or or your post code or something like that and and so that swap of being in a different culture and having something totally normal versus something being totally alien and then then the third thing I really love about it is the fact the or or older hero just grabs the box and pushes the button and suddenly in the desert which is so very much the editing style of this film Old Sam as well so it's just too abandoned abandoned vignette go into a completely different chunk of story. What's the point of that? Vignette was resolved is absolutely a spectacular. Yeah it just it moves very quickly and they even though. This movie is a little over two hours. I can't think of any place in this movie. That drax REX. No it's it's really quite nippy for something of that length I was. I I tell you I didn't expect it to be in two parts the the little The little boy threw was quite nice. I loved that it was a bit Meta but it was also a bit like a traveler's guide to to plunk thank like it was it was it was sort of it. Felt like I was a tourist and they called them tourists and tour guide for the characters will. They should've are operating under under the falsehood that they would just before they realized there another planet. They think they're still in Russia. They just further away it. What's the what's the closest we must be there so they say oh you know we just lost our two ago wanted right tickets to the next big city and will be there exactly but I love I love the way that that sort of plunk for dummies dictionary comes up in the middle as though to include us in this gag is look we know you are things? Don't understand so look we're just going to spell it out for you so going forward. You've got this information. By that time. I feel like I had figured out a lot of that stuff absolutely so it wasn't like unlocking the key for the second half and it wasn't a great reveal. It was more like a more like revision. More just saying okay if you haven't gotten it yet. This is what's going on a specific terms for the penal system having been explained that up until that point so they were quite useful. I like that the word for money Johnny was Chattel. That's quite that's quite direct to English is that that sort of and but then equally a love. There's a bit where they're counting out their money in the older chop it hasn't figured it out. And he's just handing these seemingly random probably randomly shaped pieces of metal Sort of trump is audio shards words of metals. The younger guy going. How much is this? That's fifty and how much is this. That's a hundred and it's sort of just reminds me of like the first day of any trip. I've taken to a foreign country. We're sort of going through your change going. That is that five cents or five dollars. I don't know what that is. Well the other thing is that it's pretty clear that the hierarchy is almost entirely Charlie based on wealth which is obviously a trouser color will the trouser color is more of a uniform trousers like it super frantic capitalist in the Super Bowl like pro Russian system communism because it's lambasting the society for being having class based in China knowledge which money people have so we've got the chaps with the bells and their nose the pot socks who who on puncture the or the lowest citizen than above is that we've got the chops with Nobel's on their nose Chuttha Leans Chatelaine liens coal and then above level Outta channel. Who have a lot of chattel exactly? Who have the the new law as it were the balloons now? So and then above that is the Calypso the police but backwards effectively effectively. The ones that the lights on their heads spinning around they is that a closer is a job. I feel like I feel like it's a job that comes with a ranking which which I suppose expensive suppose like the military police and then ended above that. You've got the the big go. I Mr Legal Hippies. He's between them. The hippies the people on the planet 'cause they have the count there the council something or other filled out for pollute the ones we meet towards the very end Komo got reported the same rank you have to go to talk to them because they stay off world but they are in charge of a bunch of stuff and they just turn everyone to again. They're interacting with you. Please put on a mosque. You'll spoiling lovely. I could imagine for someone who's not seen the film. This whole. Sounds like we're talking talking nonsense. And yet we understand each other completely because of the context of the fill all of these things are related you whereas in actual outside of this this world it does seem like complete and total gibberish. The I don't know where Mr Peasy h stands compared to say a dwarf wearing yellow pants. I think he's above a door by Flint Shirley and socially above the door feeling hands and then they talk about Crimson Pants as well but I never never saw anybody with Crimson Pants go who turns up and they all start kowtowing really hard to who has a like a gun that can cut a pipe. In from a distance he crimson pants Over good some pants gun cutter so again as we sort of meander through the rules of this world. That is kind of what the narrative does isn't Nett Lake every little interaction reveals another version of how one is meant to interact. I find the I mean this this is a this is a British British tradition busking. I find the the way that the buskers are treated. The sort of traveling musicians who were playing for money is is a really interesting commentary. Gary the thing Moscow Russia late New York like all these cities has a lot of street performers in and I am sure that the people who wrote this film had those street performers in mind when they were writing about the musicians who have to stand in a cage and then get money threat because that's their only way a forward. I mean the after a little while we learned that they need to have this rather fist. Capella or whatever. This this thing that will help the ship run and and they're like okay. Well we need money to buy one of these things so their only option is to busk and then yeah we find out that they can't the can't busk outside of a cage so so they need to allowed to him and in certain places they can't even bust indicate if they're not kneeling down because that areas kneeling allowed to be in a cage outside the cage naming down. I never looked out. We'll those two spherical metal shapes whether they would put down either side of the cage little razzle dazzle the extra footlights. But it's interesting that they using violin. One of them was trying to return to sort of fill Monica performance. So this is something from their I will that represents like hike loss and respected ought a now vat like screeching out these miss tunes in the desert it does it does need to be said that their notion of of musical entertainment is far lacking the end and again faulting with a springer mouth out There was a there was a there was a low of things that made me. WanNa take a bath after the first half of this mcvay of there was A. Yeah there's some kind of game the so this is it. It's almost like you've been on a holiday and you're explaining to people different things that happened on your holiday. There is a game where they put a spring in their mouth. And whoever over can spit this spring the farthest Wayne's and it's Do you remember this. It's going for the first match and then as we go in a separate to the spring spring musical instrument. Oh I know but that's a different one but then later when we go to meet that group of people who they first performed for. There's a load of people doing that. Weird spitting out of their mouths gain. Yeah there's a lot of spitting in this because not only is that but then the the the the little guy will spit on the big guy when he's in his cage quite a bit yes. There's a lot of that going on. And then a lot of sort of gentle knows tickling as well like the bell. The bell get sort of like like sort of silly slaps of the jazz fingers anger sort of on the bell Found that the toll guy when he was wearing. His Bell looked uncomfortably like John cleese from time to time. That's Oh doc wow I found quite distracting a cross between clean and the British article Mark Heap. WHO's in spiced? Have we specifically let the audience know where the bills are hanging from. Because I feel like if we haven't been clear about that people could be getting the wrong idea if you don't if you don't allow allred trousers pants you have to wear like a Septum bell on your nose like a like a mutual from mules or like they were able the exactly like a Bull Bell Guy Thank you. Yeah so you you know in the bull ring. Yeah in through the nose and the bow around the neck. Then you're getting cow hung account more efficient as a minute and it's easier to see you can see a hotak at fifty paces if they have their balance actually well presumably if you ESA if if you could see a podcast they see you. So they would be squatting in recognition ignition of noises and waving their homes. Yes this whole genuflection thing is just amazing and again it's just sort of being exposed to this culture until you know you've got a blend in. It's great this movie reminded me a lot of hard to be a God with this. Whole idea of someone coming from Earth? Though it's a more advanced earth and then coming to a very middle-age type the dark ages ages type place except our our characters that are coming here aren't nearly as advances say the scientists and hard to be God they just are thrown into this world. which has this kind of Dark Ages type of parents to it and also I love that? Speaking of where we're at politically in today's world that get used to be quite a different planet but they used all of the water for fuel so now they have no more water left on this planet and it becomes as precious commodity and they have to to actually convert now fuel back to water before they can even have a drink. It's this endless process of converting fuel to water and water to fuel. Well and the the absolute ludicrous of ludicrous of Ness of it that the travelers instantly recognized but the citizens or completely baffled by them. Saying what do you mean you trained your into water into the other and then back into the other and you don't feel that delay. Well they've got the for some reason. Sulfur are important to them. Because you rocketship DOC ID ship. They've got this sort of like infinite fuss source that they give him to light his cigarettes in in exchange for the mattress because it matches this precious Kaz and there's only when they run out of matches that they have to resort to busking to to get their power but is not so. He's that powerful charged with water. Somehow is that is that what women like the fake silence of the thing that spins around with fire shooting out of it's never explained how their spaceship works. It just works. And that's okay and I like that about this particular brand new science fiction where we're not expected to be gifted any great concept of physics or anything like this. It basically works on a round slowed rule rule in a button. So I've not actually seen the film. You're making comparison to Mike. But I think I think Dan has tested. So what do you reckon. It's the thing is hall to be a gold sensors around the idea that Brit Earth scientists of found a I'm a planet that is exactly the same as US but X. years behind us so they send an expedition to examine. Earth would have been like like at that period because the space situation is such that it's perfect fuck similarly of in the post and then these guys that with Advanced Knowledge are essentially God's because they know so much more than the locals but immediately they stuck so since I've seen it do they get stuck there and they get back Acworth just like taking a route. I think they're digging around. Yeah they've got some like more modern instruments that they've taken with them so there's an interesting correlation Asian there as well because they've got an oboe like modern clarinet oboe with them in halt big old but that basically basically like kind of like a violin. Yeah exactly the land barons by the time they get there because they have this information and therefore there's so much in advance of everyone else but they can't reveal themselves as Alliens and they call reveal themselves as essentially future people because it would blow these batteries back. These bottles people's minds lines. Prime directive is not a matter of degrees it is an absolute whereas with Kenza. They are actually like they've go interplanetary travel and they can teleport and they can send people back in time like so they're actually very evolved. Resource will four matches because they've mismanaged society so badly that they have sort of destroyed themselves. They've invested all is there. A powers in ensued technology and not nothing to charisma or healing the ones in charge of bug it off to that lovely lush planet with its or injuries and and Super Clean Air. That you're only allowed to breathe if you'll only if you look clean and they've left the the lower rungs of society on a horrible desert planet presumably working for the people on the planet. Oh that's never met Cla once. We do see their work forces. It is this giant faceless faceless. It reminds me of when you see videos of like Asian prison camps that are doing exercise in the morning and they're all like massive numbers of people so moving in the same uniform. Same really just desperately want to be there. Just be anywhere else but going through the motions of what they're told to do kinda thing that should have using these big dynamite plunges widow. Mike is the east east to settle. TNC The rail the rail war What were those things on the railroad that they say surival down the railroad it yet the manual Ryoko see-saw yes? So that that that powering something they're operating something but it's very hard to know what presumably Vail replacing the fuel that has to be done by control Volta or they are blowing up that last breath Mr Pch. Even though he's still alive I don't understand that. That was a bit confusing was it. was he the one in the bathtub in the hot tub. I think so. And so when we finally get revealed to him he feels like an idiot. It feels like he's probably got like a seventy. I Q and just in the bathtub all day. He's in the Boston with his boyfriend. Who is a news beller? You're a pot sock. He's in the ball pot sack and one of the last things that are heroes do is swapped the bell across from the back to the the elite ago. And he's just like it's very much. One of those ideas were. The machine of government is actually disconnected from the individuals. Where he himself it is not? There is no great wizard. Behind the curtain. There is just the system and the way people interpret this system in the moment which has become a runaway thing in itself. It doesn't need to be state. Is Being Stated Ashes leaderless fascism. Is that too far. Because they're they're all they really WANNA fall it like there. No you know what it is. They're so fearful of punishment that they will follow the rules to a fault in less. They're confident they won't be caught because things like stealing league will everybody next stuff in this and they make a big thing about the father everyone lawing all the time. Don't leave your purse on. The back of your chair is what I'm saying. Everybody next stuff in this movie. They say the traveler actually rich when they meet him again. He returns they're Saux. He's an honorable shop. And that's when they re they rolled them. I what's also interesting that the is just the police or does everybody have telepathy they. Everyone does because when playing chess chess against the patach petach say. Oh you're thinking the you're cheating because you were thinking things you do. Yeah he's not play chess before but he's able to Beta tejero's because he can read them on so he knows what moves they going to do. And so the next time they do a big bet and he deliberately thinks about moves he's not going to do to spoil the make it impossible to cheat and he thinks that that in itself is cheating so yeah they can all like an old remind covet. I love that very like turning on its head where the ideas that we can all read minds so if you can stop me reading your mind than your cheating you as opposed to the it reminds me of Like as as a as a film producer different cultures do business in different ways and of been in parts of the the world's wear. It's just assumed that you're going to be lying to each other. And it becomes very weird negotiation. Where if if you're not in on it everyone's lying to you and they assume you're lying to them when you're telling the truth and obviously quite quickly it goes very badly everybody's upset? It's almost almost like the election. We've just had worked out but not being willing to tell endless. Noise is a huge detriment to accompany. But if you have everyone in negotiation is aware the everyone is telling lies than its fair. It's this bunker system of it being unfair to everyone in the same way Rather than being fair to everyone in the same. I'm way it was very hard to fix that kind of thing because anyone who isn't long all the time is at a massive disadvantage because everyone just assumes that long anyway but it's flying because he is in fact. The horrible horrible KLEPTOMANIAC. Who for no reason that has ever explained consistently steels sinks? Wherever their way? Yeah he steals a gym out of the spaceship ship. Says it was important is not just a piece of glass like a child. Did you need that. I didn't know my bath. We'll also totally into fucking each other over and the the aliens who we think are may becoming friends with our two main characters they he just fucked them over consistently and then at the end when they are locked in the bathtub and our heroes are like well no we have to save them. That's the right right thing to do. It becomes so foreign to them that why are you doing this. Why are you trying to save us? And they want to stay in that bathtub. And that's that's kind of what I mean about. The like cultural balance and cultural equity in that sense is that if if the cultural rule is that we both know that one of us is at any moment gonNa fuck when over. Then it's okay. You don't feel cheated because it's expected but they get they are the the two locals are so thrown off guard by the fact that these two guys are helping them and then ten minutes later they fucked them over again removed from but I remember it. Maybe a sketch. Maybe some movie remember conversation between two to characters in something where one of them is trying to explain something and the other one keeps on going. Okay and what's the angle angle. which is going to do this or I get? What's the con the? There's no there's no going to be nice. Topple Bluff again. No so as soon as these guys are sort of super bowl neural. They've they have viewed with suspicion. Because that's not something that happens on this planet because they give over. They gave up to challenges to go home. Because it would mean about these guys and then they end up. Having to use time travel the do the end let's say heist the breakout a second time. which was just like what what what the Hell's going on here? Well they told they can go back to Earth but those guys will stay in the prison cell all they can go back to the back to the time they specific decision which would mean that they could combust the guys out but they wouldn't get to. This is where it does it sort of one hour TV wrapping it up really quickly to make everything a little tidy because they go back in time before the original time traveler came to where they are so they rescue their friends before that happened so that when he gets there they can all go back accepts. Immediately there to friends wanted. Nick is funny off his what. What kind of system you go there you want to let me hold live from? It won't let me hold your space and time travel device button from it. I promise I won't read away with just immediately disappears again. That brings us back to this delightful smash edit of this of this film. When wants certain things are done? You do not come back from them. Once the matches gone. They don't come back. It's the it's gone. There's nothing to be done and you've just got to move on from this. Absolute absolute response to law surchange. Oh everyone I'm a big fan of the night on the planet that greed is only limited by their imagination when they discover that matches plentiful resource on earth initially. They're like I mean leaned okay but we couldn't do it for less than seven bucks a then by the end of the movie they like. It's eleven thousand in two thousand eight hundred bucks as you need at first there fascinated by the idea that that he's got one match one match my God one match and they watch him light a cigarette with a they just about plots and it just as dead says it just this idea of wealth just escalating from there where initially at the beginning of the film. The idea of owning one match would be more wealth than they could ever imagine and then by the end of the film twenty thousand boxes of matches plus twenty three. Don't forget the additional twenty three. We need every match we can get. I mean obviously Safin Communist Angle. It's a it's a view of capitalism that is is unfavorable as it should be but the communist side of it. is they all literally saying that. You have to live in a capitalist society like when when when things all capitalist truth is go out the window because there's no room for truth capitalist world things that you would think are really really easy to come by are very difficult to come by in the Soviet Union. At this time I mean this was the age of. Oh are you going to. Russia will take a little suitcase full of jeans. Because they'll you'll pay thousands of dollars for a pair of jeans what absolutely and it was in fact It wasn't so close to this but ten years later I actually actually I already as a young teenager Spent about three months in Russia and my dad was working there even then it was absolutely partly just such a different world to look at and as you say so much closer to this bordering. Don't look what don't put your stuff down because it will be gone because you shouldn't shouldn't have put it down. And we watched recently watched one two three the billy while depiction sat on the Berlin divides. And it's about as someone trying to introduce Coca Cola Communist Gemini of the time they using Coca Cola abroad as a currency because these things aren't available so things that are so plentiful in our world. Were much more. Scarce over the well and again this becomes like terrifyingly relevant. I think I think America's probably GONNA be Shin deepened in Hershey bars and Coca Cola for his lungs at once but over here the UK. We'll kind of see what starts happening over the next. We'll we'll have free access assist tool lovely American goods. We just have to give us because we don't want your communist healthcare system. I wouldn't if it was a Silva plan that I have to to pay for someone else's healthcare. Forget it I don't want. Why should I help the people around me thank you very much? I'll pay thousands thousands of times both of my own healthcare the nothing for care at a fraction of I'm sorry. Do they have bells in their noses because if they don't have bells in their noses I'm not paying for their health care. How can you run the society when you don't know who to school tat exactly what color? What color trousers do they have? The because we can have one kind of health care for yellow trousers and one client of healthcare for red trousers others and that does sound fair. Red Trousers means the healthcare isn't going well now. The stub Elliott's niches bellies with Star Plain. Bellied sneakers had known upon no stars on their balance. No stars in other stars want so big. They were really quite small. You would think such a thing wouldn't matter at all but because they had stopped all the stop. SNITCHING would brag obsessed. Ask Me with this. newts in the ad they would sniff and they'd played at nothing to do with a plane belly saw mm-hmm the police are really a class unto themselves and that they can read minds and they're just like don't think about the matches whenever the police uh-huh because the police just steal whatever they want in they get away with whatever they want exactly and there's this there's this fantastic encounter towards the end when Mike just about made enough money to get whatever next port of their plan is gonNA is GonNa move forward and they they get a isolated by this call and they put their hands up in school and he just walks up behind them puts his hand into their pockets. Takes out all their money walks around without even so much as a holiday do as it were he just sort of one fluid motion takes all of their money out of their pockets and then starts the conversation and it's it's absolutely spectacular the again the parallel to now and in certain communities where this is the issue that people are really living with will end the roller astonishing lack of you've Roenick self-awareness. As quite how the government was behaving in Russia was oil. Well this is again it goes back to the idea of of how south you you know. How self aware were filmmakers? When they were putting this out was this propaganda purely to say that the west and capitalism was wrong or is there an element of saying aren't are you know we're not exactly right either guys will? You've you've got the the big dividing line in Soviet cinema isn't that you've got pre took hosts Game Post Oko Ski Soviet cinema and stuff before was will like spice rice and where the blast also is is better than the West. The West is time we watched acres. XP expe- one the other day and those moments when they come across an American spaceship and everyone is dead and they've died from using a weapon gas because America's facial English writing on the walls. And obviously that's because the less advanced than upside down writing pens ends and they just use pencils all that jazz. Yeah no I've I've I've seen that But it's you know it's it's unusual and Obviously yeah I mean I've lived in the states for a while about about eleven years now for you coming from the states. Does it seem like an indictment more of communism capitalism. Where do you think at foals goals? I hate to be wishy washy but as feels like is just a critique of any sort of system and I don't necessarily see yeah there's a a lot of running after chattel but still even see that when it comes to the Soviets in just the way that they want to do it. I mean just this whole idea of wealth and status yes and who lorded over who and the corruption of the police and the knowingness the idiosyncrasy of the the higher ups. Yeah it feels like is critiquing every system all at once but I think as a as a slightly state controlled media or they're not as bad then as there's maybe back in the forties and fifties but the argument there would be you know stupid leaders and corruption and money like the decadent West. Nothing like Russia so like even if that wasn't quite what the filmmakers we're doing I think it was definitely explained. At least at some point to someone is definitely big allegorical about the pitfalls of capitalism on our little characters adventures the locals in the and the travelers finally before travelers are presented with their with their ultimate choice. They go to the home planet of one of our locals and it's absolutely decimated the oxygen isn't breathable. And this is that bit of the film is i. Think the peace of the film that is most like. That's the that's the sort of thoughts the really juicy bit of it. They land on this planet. That's absolutely decimated and the the locals make this all for travelers which is that look We can't actually get to earth in this thing because we can only get as far as this other planet will be killed on this other planet so we can't take you any further But what we could do is we could all all do the singing thing by this planet for cheap but some oxygen after that avenue goes half half the planet and we have the planet. And that'll be pretty nice. End The most charming offer you've ever saying end. The travelers response is that they he goes. Solid tries is to kill himself in the toxic atmosphere of the planet rather than committing himself to a lifetime with these other two. And it's just as far as and as I say the film sort of moves through these vignettes but it's Oh my God absolutely poignant. He sat there in the dust of the dying planet. Slowly it's succeeding on its toxic atmosphere with these two guys saying come on come on. It won't be so bad boys in in the eighties. What was Russia's feeling about like environmentalism? and that kind of stuff like was. That was a topic that was being exploded. Lost over there. I mean awesome stuff. Oversee Japan was quite into into environmentalism. And that era well. This was the same year as the disaster. Yeah and it's and it's so I think this is just before they got really wary of all the coin of modern technology in this kind of thing Because the most of this stuff you get afterwards is is more in response to. We tried that and it didn't work rather than this era where it's a bit more hopeful but I do love that they're utopia is still this Alpha planet which is covered in beautiful fauna and flora. Like pretty pretty people people in see through dresses and dogs like sexy star Star Trek Planet. Have you guys ever seen American astronaut. I highly recommended. It's a musical comedy adventure film from Korea Maccabi and there were parts of it. That reminded me of this as far as when when they're on that smaller planet the planet. And there's a really awkward thing where the guy kind of jumps up in the film switches to slow moat. Say Says Yeah. This is low gravity they do some low gravity stuff in American astronaut. Where there's a guy going across basically it's a big sound stage filled with sand and it's shot just slightly slower so it does look like that's no gravity and towards the end of that they end up going to Venus? which is this Utopian world and all all these beautiful women and they're all in white deafness dresses so and the the science fiction and that is really really low budget like when they are traveling from Roma Planet to another planet? It's done a series of still images and the spaceships almost look like trains. Amazing amazing. Yeah it's great and this this is what era was that from. What is that from? That was early two thousands case equipment. Because the other thing I was going to say this is this is going back to the sixties stays is that it reminded me a bit of Barbarella in in. It's like absolutely ludicrous. Cultural observation like sort of almost zoo zoological adventure adventure through another society's culture This is again and again in the vignette sat kind of away just going from location to location spaceship ship to spaceship with not much care on how you get in between as you say these sort of stilted images because for for this one in Kenzo we are. I love it. We are are insulated. The spaceship whenever they're traveling because there's no windows on the spaceship so we're with our heroes and in fact there's one point where they're like. Oh no what's happening. What's happening was happening always landed? Oh okay did we take off. Is that happened okay. Yeah there's no like shaking the camera anything even say like you are now in motion exactly and there's no sort of Schultz of them looking out the window with all of the spectacular stores and views of planet Earth. And you know what part of that I don't know how much Russia had seen Russia. The mass culture had seen of those photographs of the Earth from space at that point into space. Yeah but did they. I mean I don't know if they took pictures while they were checking but like the spice they forgot the camera guys. We don't have any room for it. Just takes drawings because we've got a bit of a problem. The dog is not taking photographs. But it's I mean you know what I mean in in American culture this sort of NASA. That'll all is a huge piece of propaganda. That says look good. We're doing look at space. Look at all this so it was interesting to see that absent from film that is extensively about space travel But again it's because it comes like everything up until SA- Loris and took off skis depression-era Russian Scifi so obvious. This offer was spice rice voice to the stalls. But you know they were Ralway. The spices is Tim. Is this that more responsible. And you've seen all Spaced off. We're just going to be in the ship. I think that there is absolutely no way. Russia wasn't like pumping we beat America to space into every home in Russia. They were very proud of. I wonder if that's how this got financed because it is quite a politically charged film and obviously a lot of films were completely financed by the government at this time over there so there wouldn't have been a lot of money in it if it wasn't government approved. I wonder if that is element of it. The idea that Russians have this A this advanced technology because they are Russian and that the space traveler went to Russia because it is Russia if that was a part of of the message the film Islam Away while whale did we as humans are depicted as significantly in advance of this culture sort of morally and societally. There's no there's no way you can. You could say that. Even you know post Galore. And we couldn't claim to be as advanced technologically or as you know with with space travel as the aliens were vital able to teleport to our world and they have these Max of entire solar systems and stars and all that kind of stuff things that we didn't have that point fairness I love those maps so I mean so much of the design of this film is just gorgeous in. It's that I don't WanNA use the S. word. I don't WanNa say steam Ponca but is that like we talk about the used universe. This is like us thrown away and reclaimed universe shabby chic. Soy very rest arrest. Rusty Sifi But it is. I mean you could say what it is. It's even films like waterworld in this kind of Mad Max kind of a world and and I think when you consider Russia home of the hammer and cycle The obviously they're going to focus on an industrialized Darah Book involve in the nineties. Was it response to things or did it exist before that because obviously it takes place in sort of Victorian Elisabetha nashes. But but where did I mean you know. It feels like this kind of stuff that fed into that mythology rather than being a part of it imagining steam punk was invented by someone who found a warehouse. Full talk parts and cogs exactly useless calls. That don't go any lots of goggles. Season Awesome welding goggles and toll. Pats what can I do with these but yeah no. It's it really does. The internal mechanism of their spaceship is fantastic. It's basically the inside of a bullet get sort of a weird conical shape and at one point when our younger traveler goes to goes to the LOO. They remind him that anyone who goes to the LEO has to put their money on the shelf beforehand. They don't try to steal their money and then he goes out the door. We wait a few minutes and the older traveler says is. He's you know he's not come out with the little yet. OJ admit that's not delude. That's just a trap door or to the outside of his face. Chin scrape pulled living victim in an escape. We injected him ages ago It's calm Colin Bay. One man's escape escape. pod is another man's toilet But it's it's this spectacular esque internal mechanism. Where you don't really know anything does or where it goes up down or left is right but but all of the pieces make sense? And they're not explained it's interesting. I think it's different to things like Mad Max. Some which came before came off towards because those are very much about making new technology out of the remnants of a bygone civilization whereas these these seem to be machines that will bill purpose is still being used as they were. I got a long bygone in the desert. The desert feels like we would definitely dystopia unlike the absence of water and all that kind of stuff. It's a decimal any of the the Remnants this sort of ARCHAEA archaeological all sites of like things that look like they've been long buried in the sand and the NFL players wheel and that kind of stuff. That's obviously that's obviously all found yet. No I competancy what you're saying what I'm saying is that the spaceship is a spaceship. And it's being used as it was built as Royalva van like vehicles in the Second Mad Max film where they cobbled together out of bits of other things and they've sort of knock this stuff together from the Detroit is of a bygone civilization whereas the old stuff in this the stuff from before is at most being used a shelter and often is just lying around. Like they're not known using the I will they just happen to be occasionally the a a bit of a shock like the the end of a boat I still think they harvest off. But but ah hello wanted alone necessarily. It's there's a small variation between the men and the women in this movie and there is there is a very character. Dr Phil Split Down The middle. We don't have any protagonist. There was only people we meet on the way there's obviously the wife of our older traveller But then we meet a woman they try to seduce who gets one over on them. trixie lady Ralph leaves them behind and then later we we do a flash for their sort of jumping around entertaining some people and there's a woman who does a WHO does a phony wall because she walked up to the Ferris wheel sort of sexy funny skit. Walk talk show quite enjoyed. And then there is the exceptionally well endowed a gorge in the tunnel of the prison yes who are or or short squall. A local is quite enamored with and she does that. same fantastic will jump away all the women sort of watch in the film and it's it's a very very it's it's such a cool weird thing to do to to not pointed out but just have all the women do like a one-two-three skip one day three. Skip as they look just to separate it out and now it's a very thoroughly considered considered world that they've built even if none of it makes any sense George. The Ele- made another film that I really WanNa see after seeing this one called thirty three. which is the same guy who plays the squat up Lukin He? He plays this guy who has thirty three not in as being hailed as a hero because everyone else has thirty two teeth so it feels like a place with a lot of the same themes of this as far as just a minor differences princeton him versus other people and it ends with the government wanting to teleport him. Tomorrow's because they feel that maybe that thirty three thirteenth would help him communicate with Martians. And it's just like that was one thousand nine sixty five just watching this film really makes me want to see more of than yellows filmography because it just seems seems like he had some amazing ideas. Well I like the way I like the way that that's what came before because it seems like he was sort of putting his toe in the water of political. Dissenting tangoing. Is it okay. If I'm critical of the system in this way in the sixties and we'll just give him a thirty third tooth we're not gonNA make him black or anything like that. We're I'm just GONNA. We're just going to give him a thirty third tooth and as long as everybody's okay with that then maybe later we'll try putting a bellwether knows but we'll probably have to wait until the eighties until we can troy something like that. It seems like the idea of the space between cultures and the idea of of this inherent. Don't inequity between the groups is quite interesting. It also feels like they're really playing with this idea too because then the other was a Georgian. And we've got the two humane characters. One as George in one is a Russian and I think that that is also being hinted at as far as the differences between the cultures here on earth. I mean we're talking more than just you know bourgeoisie and the proletariat we're also talking about like how are other countries that aren't Russia being treated redoing the Soviet Union so I think that's very pointed thing as well. How different are we actually? We've got different nines but actually everything about us is the same lie. You know the idea that Georgian culture in Russian culture were very similar. Say for you know A slide from geopolitical boundaries. A couple of also very very clear cultural differences but inherently someone from Georgia might be closer to someone from Russia than someone from one indeed Russia and the other Russia. Yeah it's it's not standing depiction of the variants with the lack of variance in the employed variance between individuals. All I all. I adore this this weird little. USB Internet of things button. They have that they can point at people to see whether they're higher or lower culture and end the just absolute of randomness of it and the idea. It's consistent when it points that you will always does the same color at you but the idea of what does that even even mean and who decided which one was better which one was worse and does it actually mean anything and it goes back to the star belly inches of course in the idea that will just just because we're different. Does that mean different or you know how much of a difference is it. Is it just the color of the thing or is it. A bigger higher Morton in anything beyond that little light in. I think that's all it is. Yeah and that the like you said earlier you can switch when you go to do that. Little Planet which is just seems like a rock in the sky. It's like Oh yeah no. This is a patach planet so the chat-lines have to bow to us. They have to incuding US instead. Exactly exactly they take them go. Hey Hey don't forget you've got to do that on this planet and above all things they have to honor this this nonsensical sequence of bowing and cooing. Because that is a greater said than theft. If you ignore your stature make sure you're wearing your bowel l. into your bowels. Otherwise its lifetime in Boston. He's actually stealing stuff tights fine. Otherwise Bats Villa nails talking about the Georgia versus Russian thing. I think that that is really coming through at the end to when you have both of her character's transported back to earth and they don't seem to have any memory necessarily of pook until they both see this flashing yellow light which is like police light and they both Kutu it right there and then they remember each other and who they are so it's like this whole journey has allowed these two people who might not normally ever converse talk to each other to finally actually connect here here back on earth see I really loved the PTSD sort of element of it where where it was sort of two soldiers who hadn't really engaged with each other hearing a occur backfire and then catching each other's all eyes and realizing Oh my God it was you along. The film starts out with our younger travel or asking the older traveler to help a homeless person than any instantly says yes and the end the notion that the to reach out to connect But then coming around and realizing that they wouldn't have remembered the shared experience they would buried it so deeply. Had it not been for this trigger. That set them both off at the same time and then again in true form for this film it ends just finishes with a very big on endings of. They often just stop sometimes. Sometimes I guess that's better. Are you doing an episode on the air. I remember. See that on your list. We did an episode the year. Yeah I I missed it. Yeah I watched that for the first time recently as well as a bureau come in the UK and that also just kind of stops. Yeah you might want to check. Who did the audio commentary on that? I really nice. It's lovely disc. I'll definitely give that a listen. Yeah we did it. It was kind of Nice we did episode slash commentary for that so our episode was the commentariat vice versa. It'll be on that BLU ray that okay on the list when you first. I talked about this this season. You know without making it all all about money. There's a certain economy to just finishing when you're done isn't there. There's a certain style you're welcome sort of stoicism to end their back on earth and they recognize each other. And that's what we need to tell you about it. We don't need to know if he gets his bread for his wife. We don't need to know if the leak at the factory is fixed. We don't need to know the famous violinist ever gets his violin. We just need to know that they have this experience and it was real and they'll always remember it and no one else believes them and they may not remember it. Dan I think he mentioned Solaris earlier in the Salon has a little bit bigger of a budget. At least they had like a big set and everything but really that movie is pretty fricking cheap to win in the first half of it is all on earth and just you need a pretty location. You've got that six minute car ride and then boom you're out in space. There is none of this all right. Let's get them in capsule and shoot them up here and have him wait lists and all. This was the one weightless sequence which is gorgeous but that looks like a shot basically looks like somebody's den so it's that that weird mix of practical locations and science fiction all in Wine Linux. It also reminds me of a film that would come a couple years later which was on the silver globe. Where and it's like there's parts of that are just shot in a city? Yeah when there's a bunch the other stuff that's all shot on the beach so you're just using these locations here on earth but shooting them in such a way that it looks like they're not on earth thiamine anna-corina past state. Of course that's got me thinking about Alphaville and just that use of locations as science fiction where it is just this Paris of nineteen whatever. And we're going to make it look like a science fiction fell. Yeah well there's the I think I might mentioned on the law steps that we recorded with you but I had jeff either just watched about to watch a Swedish Sifi. I think Swedish called Yara which is a beautiful beautiful so I if I felt but his all locations as no builds and they've just found these amazing spaces to be the inside of this enormous spaceship whereas Gen produced a really nice quite small. Soy Phone call native a few years back and they built well. Joan revill John Adjourns designer. We stay inside of the ship but when he went to Earth you found this was the does that does this beach up by Liverpool. And it's absolutely the tide. goes out like you wouldn't don't believe and then literally so we go there at about five in the morning. It's not really maybe even gotten there at four and we were filming the these scenes so all of the sand is wet because the toilets golbright out. The Sun is rising. It's reflecting off of the total Title Sand go end. There's no city on the Horizon Isan and as far as you can see. There's a little bit of of urban buildings covered in fog and it's spectacular but the water comes is in at over a foot every ten seconds and so so people. It's quite dangerous. It's very very dangerous and we only we also only had about on our filming so the there is this kind of use of environment that you can make but equally. It's it's also you know it's always. There's a reason people build houses houses. There did some city stuff. We used a lot of Brita list architecture which in post World War Two UK was a hugely popular just oil And so we were able to find all these buildings that were just sort of innately geometrical in sort of geophysics Cute there we go easy for you to say you just Jada physics in a weird ways it spheres but yet no it was it was it was fantastic but then CR was gonna talk about something like the prisoner where again. This is a place that exists. Dan will remember the name of the village Marianne Port Marion Wells That's a real place that exists lists and somehow they were able to shoot the entire TV series. There is though it was the science fiction compound. I love that kind of thing where they use real life locations Shinzo as other worldly otherworldly truths lots of places for Mars or shot in Morocco. Because the red sand always a fun one. Yeah Yeah they use a lot of the brutalises architecture in Mexico City for total recall and we talked about Gatica just so much of that film. I mean it's All the future and there's a couple of shots of rockets but that's about it in it's just the locations that they chose for so much of the film made it look like it was otherworldly. I one of my favorite things living in London is genuinely so much of London. Looks like it could be a science fiction film set and it's it's it's all just a pressure hose away away from being from Vegas It really is between the subway stations and and everything else. There's such tremendous architecture architecture and it's it's it's a great thing when films used that because it is just taking the world around us and making us look at it in a slightly different ways not will you. We just finished rushed picture earlier. This year. coal possessor which is going to be at Sundance in January. Brian Cronin Bugsy Picture and that's a sort of high concept sci-fi set in a if not an all now than very near future and the locations people did some great work and the setback people. 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SCUTTLEBUTT could sit off a half second. ooh ooh ooh Compania Glukhikh. We'd be gambling this butts. I bought in Yeah Cool Ronan. showbusiness released is assigned. McClellan savell cody. Convenient you at Cmu thus all right we are back and we were talking about. Kim's odds are so few years after Qin's came out well quite a few years after Kim Sadza came out. The director actually did a remake of his own film. which we've seen that before we've we we all know about things like fun games or and this is interesting using because he made it into an animated film and I have to say I love the animation style for this it just it looks really gorgeous and they change shit up a few ways but then there are other places where they kept Cantata? Almost exactly the same. They've they've got rid of the the slightly likely complicated backstory as to why they're carrying violet and they've just made the oldest professional musician. They've made them related to them Randomly in the street they are actually. They're actually uncle in a nephew which is funny because in the main in the in the original film terms like uncle all in brother and father and son are used as terms of respect and endearment with communist society. Yes my brother this kinda think thank you yes uncle whereas suddenly they're just like this is making his uncle. Why not why not? They'll be related even though you don't not necessarily at least until the the reveal. I didn't think that he was actually related to this guy. I don't think they are. Are they related. You made any original. No no no in the remake because yeah because at one point they finally do confirm that he actually is related to his uncle but for the rest but I was just like oh no. He's trying to scam the sky by calling him uncle and saying that you know. Oh Yeah I'm so and so's son but then at one point they finally do figure out that he actually actually is related to his uncle. Well and he sort of painted his in the in the live action film. He's much more of an artist scholar and in the remake remake of Athletic Jersey on which is quite American sporty. You've introduced cell phones Stephanie. Yeah it's it's not really the same on a character is A. I love that they use the Mama Song as the guys ringtone. That is fantastic. Such a nice way the terrible song long in order to then have that. Come back as the the the song we're going to Busk to it. was I really enjoyed. That must be hit some place on earth. Well that's the thing. It must be an old Rueda song or something feeling the Georgian folk song because in the in the live action feature. The little guy says that his mom was from Georgia does so I- slightly wonder if it's a Lullaby that she sang to him as a baby and he happens to know it and it's just because obviously like they don't care about being time indepth forgetting the lyrics Wrong in any of this. So they're just shouting the words rough tune if things be I always wondered if that was a totally back to maybe his mom was George in in that came from before but but yeah and I love In the in the live action as well and I can't remember what it is now. They do actually sang a song that they would have had to pay the modern rights to if they did but yeah yeah I was thinking about that. I couldn't remember what the singer visit some enchanted evening evening. I don't remember I feel like it was more modern than I feel like when they're doing the violin and they're in the cage and they get told they after Neil is. Is it possible to play a song so badly that you off. How could you possibly think it was? The same thing is obviously completely completely different. That's terrible for one thing. It's rare that someone gets to remake their own work or which used remake at work even so fun Little Romp. It reminds reminds me a little bit of like Three kings of Tokyo or The Women of Belleville that sort of cheerful animation soil oil. I think I mean three photos. Three Godfathers of Turkey. I thank you for a bit but yeah that sort of jolly coined of end. It is same for your younger audience. I think it is. It is a little bit more childlike. But it's still really fun piece. I was just looking up. That apparently are older older character in the original film when he's in his apartment they're playing a bit of a film called Cutoff. Ski From Nineteen forty-three in that has the line. Mama Mama what shall we do. I love it nicely. Done Sir nicely done. I don't know where that one comes from and yeah you could be right. It could be Georgia folk song Lullaby by. Yeah so there is a connection. There brilliant brilliant. I was reminded a lot of the guy who used to do animated segments on on MTV quite a bit and then he actually ended up being able to feature films where he does almost like a three cell animation where it's like the same image. It's just three different ways so it's kind of this wavering thing to it but the character design in skains odds are cool Qatada. The remake reminds me of that type both character design especially the uncle with the hair going up in out kind of thing. Mike is Struggling to remember the name. Bill Clinton I like like that. Were playing the classism even more in this that. He is wearing a Tuxedo through the whole thing. He's very upper class coming from earth and then he's thrown into the lower class and it doesn't matter that he is a professional cellist and that he is seen as very important person on earth he is just like everybody else. Yeah I mean it's obviously the they've really hammered into the close for that. Really William really underlined it in. I'm not sure if I like that. They styled to look much more like aliens. I kind of like the idea of the aliens looking EXAC- like us. I like the way they look but I'm with you. I prefer them to be humanoids. Will it's like. We were saying earlier about the ball. It's obvious that he has changed some things that he he may be felt. He couldn't do the first time like having they couldn't those guys in full prosthetics have them be puppets. CJ or whatever the boss of the same and then they've change the Indians and they also definitely changed the guy from pook or maybe it's not from Luke but the guy who transports them. I love the head hold. aureus got the flowers going around his head and he just different dynamic his name. He is an interesting design because they've got him. He is still alien but he looks humanoid enough that their suspicions aroused the beginning and they really. They chop out quite a bit. I mean especially at the end the whole idea of them. I'm going to that very fertile. Almost identify Planet is just gone. Well this is sort of wondered with the Flower Halo on his head if they were GonNa to do something with the time travel about that but as you said they just didn't really it seems like he he didn't want to over complicate things by introducing another another Shelter as well like it's it really goes but Clinton so it's GonNa it's got to something out. I mean my granddaughter granddaughter over yesterday and has really helping to experiment on her and have her watch this film and see if it is a kids film or not. How does he respond to it? Unfortunately actually your mom took her back for DADS. I mean she came over. She took her out of the skinner box. And then it was all a whole different thing. You were ringing the bell at everything be want food. You have to hit the spouse hit the button hit not that bad. And that's the shocking about Grandpa told you about that now It's a No. It's it's funny because it it. It does seem like a bizarre wholesomely highfaluting clean of film but equally truly. It's playful enough that you can see to where it would appeal to children as well. Yeah especially once it's been culture unified. Yeah when you see like the little girl Castilian who gives the piece of wood to one of the guys. I'm just like okay. This seems almost like who's from WHOVILLE. Yeah yeah that that they are tune but much more cartoony I. It's also means that it's sunny. It's interesting that they've gone so much. More heavy handed on the the class divide allegory. Stuff given that it is more in every other respect. He's more the aimed at children and so it feels like pixel putting in the old slightly smutty joke for the GROWNUPS. You have to go more of these films with their kids. So they've put in a little this this commentary for the for the parents. I'm really hoping that when they put this movie out that they include the little documentary that they did on Soviet TV about Daniella. That was really nice. I don't know if you guys had a chance to take a look at that but it's called something like like the man from planet can Sadza. We have not. I'm afraid was. His was his place amongst Russian directors relatively revered or was he a working going or was it you know. How do we know how this placed at the time while I think that at the time it was looked at as being okay he? They make very brief mention of Tarkovsky in the film. And I want to say that he actually had a little bit of input on and It's are in the documentary once he had a little bit of Input when it came to Kinsahsa but it felt like this guy was always kind of skirting the edges. Like the first film that he put out Actually had a hit song in it and people are really excited about. This song was walking walking the streets of Moscow. Not so much this movie no no not really though the score for this movie is going for Boo Koo box on Amazon. It's Craz it's a really great aging. It's such a funny thing to have them to very rarely. Do you have people doing something ship music in a film and then also have good music playing in the Selma's while it's spectacular. The the contrast is is great because of it so he clearly had a very musical background then well in he also chose a really really good musician to do the score and apparently the musician could not handle the parts when they were just abusing that violent he would have to leave the studio and have have someone else do that part because he just couldn't handle it but yeah they actually. They interviewed a bunch of people for this documentary and they. It's an interesting way that they put the thing together because we'll talk about Daniela historically and then they'll jump to consolidate. It seems like this was really the movie that people remember him for and and then they go back to the historical and then switched to Kazakhstan. And they just it's like the piecemeal it through the whole thing and I think it was also made while he he was making the coup Kazadi the animated version and it felt almost like a promo piece for that. But it was. I'd say at least in our were long and really well put together. The only thing that confused me was when they would make those jumps from past two Kazaa and I was just like wait. Which which movie are we talking about now but after bit I've finally realized like okay? There's a rhythm to this thing so okay now. They're going to talk about it because they would talk about like. Oh Yeah. The controversy controversy with the Soviet premier the Georgian or whoever it was their initial sounding like Koo so I was like okay. Now I get a now. I figure out what you what you're doing here. I mean there was a long gap those what was it like thirteen years between the remaking the film had done previous to it so in his film before Lori died so I can say that it sounds like what you were saying about. The documentary may be being positive Hey guys this guy is back. He's doing this for for the for the new version the interviews with the guy who did the production design I thought were fantastic. And he even has like the I don't WanNa say Faberge egg that the one. The police ship reminds me a lot of an egg and he was holding up those things. And just yeah just saying like okay. Here's the miniature of this listen. Just he's he seemed like a really fascinating guy and they were talking with some of the actors and actresses and it was just they really at this point in time a lot of people all from the original were still alive so they were able to get some great interviews. Russia miniature is have long been a home of beautiful craftsmanship as allow. Yeah I love it. I was particularly tickled when they put the wheels on the spaceship transplanted its f