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NPR News: 02-22-2020 3PM ET

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04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 02-22-2020 3PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Barbara Klein. Caucusing BEGINS IN NEVADA. This hour for the Democratic presidential nomination. Npr's miles parks reports are hoping for a record turnout after thousands of caucus-goers cast votes early. More than seventy thousand Nevada. Democrats voted early. Here and precinct leaders will now be tasked with counting those votes as if they were cast in person. Today many leaders will be using party. Provided IPADS new technology to help with the math with unclear at this point is how crowded precincts will be since such. A large of voters already participated. Unlv political science. Professor Dan Lee the first question I have and I'm not actually sure is how many people are actually. GonNa even show up to the caucuses. The State Democratic Party says they hope to have results of the caucus by the end of the day today miles parks. Npr News Las Vegas. The head of the World Health Organization says the window of opportunity to contain the new corona virus outbreak is narrowing as it spreads to other parts of the world. Outside China cases have skyrocketed in South Korea. Iran is reporting a sixth death from the illness and NPR. Sylvia Pohjola reports Italy as put about a dozen towns in the north under lockdown. Because of infections and two deaths a seventy eight year old man died late. Friday near Potter invented toe and a woman in Lombardy died today. Lamberti governor of Tearful Tana said strict measures have been taken in the region. Italy's financial and industrial powerhouse. Ten towns in an area south west of Milan in lockdown with some fifty thousand residents told to remain indoors while schools businesses and restaurants are closed and public gatherings including Sunday massacre. Games are suspended. Benadryl Governor Lucas. I said the contagion shows. The virus is transmitted like the flu. You can get it from anyone. He told reporters Prime Minister. Giuseppi Co two said. The government is ready to consider further measures. So People Jolie. Npr News Rome. Afghan officials say the Taliban attack to Afghan security checkpoints today the first day of a week-long reduction in violence. Npr's Diaa Hadid reports. The truce is meant to lead to a deal between the Taliban and the US next week and ultimately a withdrawal of most American forces from Afghanistan officials on all sides haven't defined what they mean by reduction in violence which allow some wiggle room and it seems Saturdays. Two incidents did not affect the scale back but in another challenge to this pending deal. A political crisis in Kabul escalated Saturday when rivals of the Afghan president should have honey appointed their own senior officials into districts. They don't recognize honeys presidency and have formed a parallel government. A federal narcotics agent is under arrest on charges of laundering money for the same Colombian drug cartel. He was supposed to fight. Jose Ariza Ari is accused of diverting millions of dollars seized by the. Da this is NPR. A group of twenty finance leaders are meeting in Saudi Arabia. And calling for unity on tax policies regarding tech giants like Google Amazon and facebook. They want to require to pay taxes where they conduct business. It's about to get more difficult for immigrants to come into the US. Legally the trump administration begins enforcing new regulations. Monday that'll make it harder for them to get green cards. If they use public benefits in the meantime tightened policies on asylum seekers played out at Florida's Orlando International Airport today. Danielle prior of member station w. m. f. e. reports and undocumented mother and her two American born children were deported to El Salvador Vilma Diaz. Who entered the country without papers in two thousand was denied asylum under new rules that make it harder for people fleeing gang based violence to qualify for the Status Pastor Joel to Melbourne? First Church of the Nazarene was at the airport with Diaz and her two sons. He says he's worried. The eldest axel will be targeted by gangs. And if he doesn't join which he won't because he's a Christian and he's a great kid he's a US citizen if he doesn't join there will be threats made against his family along with his threat of violence he says. Axel won't be able to get emergency medical attention for frequent asthma attacks. The Department of Homeland Security says nearly nineteen thousand people were deported to El Salvador last year for NPR. News I'm Danielle Prior in Orlando and I'm Barbara Climb. Npr News in Washington support.

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The Gig

Makeshift Stories Original Science Fiction

29:58 min | 1 year ago

The Gig

"Let's make sure stories presents a monthly journey into the improbable. Today's story one seventy six the GIG read by Mitchell Easter place in time where logic breaks down in wonderment began there are stories just remember to credit us and don't alter anything good the validation code will have been automatically sent to your phone wants to mesh hub is ready it'll connect and download the code and how do I how do you know when and where to go Mr Oni through the APP you'll get instructions through the APP good day as the be tender for a day but there we're finished power how do I keep charged Oh it uses it opened the door to leave she stopped and turned to Lee oh I almost forgot welcome to Air Mash Mr Oni the woman gave him a the technician ignored the question and continued to pack up there are fewer nerve endings in your back so it's easier to insert and you're less likely to feel it under your skin we tried both at first too many nerve endings and the company's afraid people could remove them on their own did that ever happen rude list government building from the previous century on a no longer important street his career manager had insisted league at the implant before he left her off the natural current in your nerves nothing else is needed. It's only a few extra calories a day no one even notices at least we've never had a complete but such futile act would only delay the inevitable so deciding it was pointless given the mash hub was already spreading its Gossamer tendrils out under the all while the technician from Air Mesh Systems worked on his back it only takes a minute once we're set up the bio circuitry is not that large and the ain't you can get up now and put your shirt back on the technician a middle aged nurse who looked as if the world had ground her down to the point that injecting smile which didn't reach her is then turned and walked out closing the door Lee finished buttoning his shirt then check the time on his phone this and she had made it clear he didn't have a choice the contract is on the table you have to sign it before I can give you the activation code the technician noted you were the nurses tablet lay he looked at the contract on the device deciding whether he should read the entire agreement as a way to protest the situation. It's it I thought there'd be more to it Leoni stared down at the worn grey industrial carpet through a face hole in the portable massage table he hadn't planned on being so long not that he had anywhere in particular go he just hadn't expected today to be another mandatory check in with Vivian his assigned career flexibly like agreed or on the thousand person through the door of a store. You've downloaded the APP to your phone right Yeah I did it before you go Dan Lee picked up the tablet hesitated then pressed his thumb to the screen and handed the device to the technician there is signed Cedar is similar to any sub dermal implant the hub is so thin there is no raised area and once the incision heals you won't be able to see where it is at all the area your manager everyone on the subsidy had one and Vivian insisted he meet with her again before he could leave the building the walk back to her office approach has piece work was all she could handle began to pack up her equipment they had met at least career managers office located in an old weathered out here police struggled to get a shirt on favouring his still frozen shoulder then stretched and stiffly walked over to the only other piece of furniture in this small room in of his back he just scanned first few lines of the incomprehensible agreement why the back why not a leg or an arm took him through a large workspace occupied by empty cubicles with the names of no longer existing departments still visible all had either been replay city themselves he had never been ambitious and although the subsidy didn't quite provide enough to live on most months he somehow made out as east by automated systems or simply shutdown has public budgets shrank he briefly wondered where everyone was now were they doing gigs or on the I was thinking about this a self guided cleaner beeped at him to get out of the way lease mild and stepped into the machines path blocking its way like me adore a few steps away in the central core of supervisor offices Sprung Open Vivian lamb how small but imposing forty something dressed in any people he enjoyed messing with them feigning and Decision on which way to dodge matching the dumb things counter moves until it's tiny I simply gave up and shut down a no nonsense business suit stood in the opening looking impatient that's something only kids do Mr Oni you're almost thirty not unless there's been a mistake in your file come in I don't have much time before the next appointment and I still need to give you the orientation by the time I and carefully scripted explanation as you know with dropping tax revenues and growing deficits we've been forced to cut back on the program which means Eh disengaged from his game with the cleaner and entered the office Vivian was already backed behind her desk reviewing files onto tablets she adding more capable people such as yourself back to work and in the current environment there are fewer and fewer opportunities so when Air Mesh Systems Liam so happy you have agreed to become part of this new initiative do I really have a choice Vivian ignored the question and launched into a well audited and motioned for lead to sit in a chair which somehow managed to force all the tallest clients to look up at her please sit Mr only for this type of work do you have any questions Lee shook his head okay then Mr `honey we are excited for you you are one of the lucky if you please Vivian motion to the door then turned her attention back to one of the tablets which had begun to chime Lee wasn't approached us we had no choice but to pursue their proposal you'll be your own boss Mr Oni a contractor in a brand new field your earnings are only get paid by the gigabyte of traffic handled and credit will be transferred to your account in real time it's that easy and from what I can see in your files your aptitude makes you once we may simply have to stop the subsidy for others we've given you a future if you think of any questions please contact me through the booking APP now limited by the number of hours you WanNa put in as you've been told the company will contact you with jobs you simply show up when and where they ask you to quite sure how he felt has he made his way back through the maze of empty offices to the street somewhere between the dawn and Don Parks subways if and when there wasn't enough work it seemed all too tenuous to him but Vivian had insisted it would be fine that it would be better for him he didn't officials draining and he hadn't quite gotten his head around the idea that he had been kicked off the subsidy the new GIG had no guarantee of income so what would happen if in read on the Air Mash up your GPS indicates you are only four stops from your designated target payment will start once you are the area already Lee griped and pulled his phone out of his pocket she didn't tell me it would start so soon going into his music with a distinctly abrasive synthetic voice fleas be in City Hall by three PM and remain and the zone designator trust her especially since she explained he was one of the first in government industry pilot program his phone buzzed again this time he protested loud enough to make several people standing near him in the crowded car turn to see what his problem was too young women beside him in jeans and Hoodie nations will he felt his phone vibrate against his leg and decided to ignore it he had been zoning out listening to his favorite playlist he found dealing with the fight the unusually hot spring day why would so many people be wearing things like that lease phone vibrated impatiently again please acknowledge your except and with backpacks and scarves edged away Lee didn't care what they thought he was angry when Lee tapped his ear buds to start his music again he noticed the train was unusually crowded for the time of day like the two women most were casually attired but it was the scarves hoodies made him wonder what was going on melts into the streets and disappear on the walk to the coffee shop we had arranged to meet Anita at the sun was hot enough to make him sweat silence of this job by pressing yes on the Air Mesh APP annoyed Lee poked at the icons to open the APP hit yes checked where he was supposed to hang out located in the center of this target zone just off the public square around city hall the place was generally not on his list of hangouts it was to upscale and expense he stopped to check his account on the mobile APP and noticed a small deposit had already been made he laughed and smiled this might be okay then got an idea no one had mentioned how he should spend his time well he was working only that he needed to be in the red zone he thumbed through his contacts. The cafe was an upscale auto mart across a busy street from the City Hall Plaza which was currently empty except for a few mid afternoon shop for someone on the subsidy but it was the only place he could afford in the area a block away his phone buzz acknowledging he had entered the zone explain we meet I'm texting you the address C. They're three awesome the unusual crowd got off at the same station as Lee then seemed stopping at his friend Anita then hit the call button hey there it's Li got time for a coffee it's on me this time I've got this Gig had been his friends since childhood and was always looking out for him no problem how's business better than last month Lee thought for a moment he could feel the skin on his back tingle but the technician had insisted there'd be no sensation when the hub was active out of curiosity out on the subway I needed spotted him and waved him over are you sure you can afford this Lee she questioned Anita Anita looked puzzled. I didn't have a choice volunteer for this new pilot program or get nothing I would have been on the street at first they did and you're blowing the last of your cash here I don't get it Lee smiled and laughed yeah I got bumped off but they forced me into a new pilot program I'm gigging like you I'm working right now or at least my back is I meander through to reach the far side Lee shivered as he pushed through the door into the metallic cool air con and suddenly wished he had worn a Hoodie like hey I guess at least I made something on my last few designs I switched job boards not as many companies posting work there and the jobs are smaller which means that there are fewer people bidding on work and I don't have to discount my rates as much I'll make expenses this month she shrugged then looked critically phone across the table. Look at my account balance see it slowly going off while we're just sitting here Anita gave the screen a perfunctory we I was surprised when you called me didn't think you had the money to blow on overpriced coffee hey I thought you said they were kicking you off subsidy you're not making any sense -ly there's got to be more to it than that no one pays you to just show up and do nothing viscous does attentive personally won't happen Lee laughed it's implanted in my back what's new technology Anita it's my friends buy them a coffee catch up well my back does all the work I'm just the host Anita looked at the phone again and frowned don't know maybe there's a conference or something nearby but that's better for me more money for my time I'll have to stay here until they tell me I can go but I don't care up Dermal biochip the runs off your body I wasn't even sure about this when they told me what I'd be doing but the upside is I can do things like me how was really ticked about it I didn't WanNa do it but it's really not that bad I'm working right now I just have to show up where they tell me to and hang out dance then stopped packing up and stared at Lea- in disbelief I don't get it you're being paid for what it's a new thing Anita started packing up to leave is this just another one of your scams to con someone into buying launch. Sorry I can't afford to subs hubs all you gotTa do is show up wearing when they need you and the hub does the rest and I get paid by the GIG transferred pretty sweet that's a lot of data early why would someone be transferring that much stuff around in the middle of the afternoon in here the Empty Plaza another Gig I've got a good feeling about this Anita I thought this was a bogus way to get me off subsidy then they hit me on the subway not even thirty minutes okay I guess that makes sense you carry around a hub for them but knowing you hear going to forget it wants and get fired you're not the most who knows who cares they sat in silence for a few minutes savoring a moment where neither had to worry about money for once just walking over the machines back paid for half of this stuff already but Anita wasn't paying attention instead she was looking out the plate glass window human staff that's still way out of my league hey with a couple more gigs like this he smiled checking his phone again wow traffic's increasing. Winging Nita Ad Hoc Mesh data nets a new startup Air Mesh systems is partnering with the to take people off the subsidy by turning them into mobile is it this month I'm just getting my head above water okay okay sorry really I'm working look at this lease later it's quite good is great in fact I picked this place Lee admitted 'cause it's high rated in the area unless you go to some fancy join with in no rush what else do I have to do hey I'm going to use some of those credits tobias coffee and snacks from the machines what do you want I owe you lean on after I thumbed the final paperwork it's only going to grow look at my balance don't worry Anita there's no way will eat through it in one meal too closer it's a pro Tesli Anita guest anxiously checking each street for the wall of humanity that would be following the sound did you hear that Anita suddenly twisted her head towards the noise in the distance barely audible there was a muffled sound like that explains why everything is closed the new but why would that company send you here don't know lease weird there's no one here also looks like most of the stores around the plaza closed and it's not a holiday we shrugged hours of this and I'll make my month this is awesome come on let's eat reluctantly Anita followed her friend over to the vending machines curious Anita joined him and together they slid out through the automated door the effect was like someone turning up the volume on us around and made a modest selection well e celebrated to excessively for her comfort but as long as she only he had never thought about the next day thousands of feet mixed with chanting Lee kept his ears with his hands yeah I hear it but I can't tell what it is through the glass let's go outside no leash shook his head I have to stay until they tell me to leave there's nothing on the APP I wanNa keep this Gig let's just go back inside and at the trendy automatic machines lined up along the inside wall that's generously but maybe should go easy on the budget you don't know when you'll get confidence was beginning to leave him. The first soon Nami of protesters emerged from a sidestreet flowing out into the square like muddy rate aging water escaping the confines of riverbanks into the expanse of an ocean who we should go we we can't afford to get caught up in this after Lee paid they took their loaded trays over to a table by the window and settled in Anita tasted her drink experimentally with noisy anger but the protesters were behaving just yelling and chanting at the evidently abandoned City Hall hand painted signs the sound system noise was flooding into the square from every street the chance changed from rhythmic patterns to shouted slogans as the wall of noise drew with slogans such as stop the jobless economy tax the machines and people are not a financial liability floated by the cafe window most of the protests in human flesh it simply evaporated of anything else Lee began to climb out from under the table when the cafe door exploded into thousands of glass beads windows rattling them until both Lee and Anita fearing they were going to break dived under their table for protection water cannon Lee stirs ignored them a few waved encouraging them to join and when they didn't swore at them and banged on the plate glass Leeann Anita decided to move to the back of the asked its public order the water cannons swung past the cafe windows leaving sickly Orange Puddles the die was specifically formulated to stain low rumbling joined the mix then a discordant hiss began to drown out everything an orange hurricane started assaulting the calf the hand-held then looked right at Lea- that's the one take him the harshly lit space was it anyway I don't think we get through the crowds. They watched nervously from inside the automated cafe as the square filled up and overflowed six public order officers dressed in heavy riot gear stormed through plastic shields in front and tasers drawn the one in the lead consultant being away from a point on the other side of the plaza like fish avoiding intruding Predator screams began to emerge from the cacophony outside and a new eh where no one outside could see them but before they had time to get up the casual swarming of the protesters suddenly changed to a purposeful wave rate exactly what we had imagined an interrogation room would be like a stain table too uncomfortable chairs on either side an ancient humming fluorescent ceiling light thankfully they hadn't been interested in Anita but they had warned her not to intercede she was screaming at the Peo- officers last time he had seen her his anxiety Lee lost track of the number of interviews he had been through with a different person each time all had started unannounced predictably they had taken his phone away so Lee didn't know whether a half an hour or half a day had passed since they had arrested him at the automatic cafe out there by a company called Ayer Mesh Systems you also claimed that you had no choice you claim you were on the subsidy and close the door and looked at least skeptically sit down Mr owning he didn't bothered introduce himself and motion to the chair behind while you waited in the old social services building during an appointment this morning with your assigned career manager finally you are insisting you have no idea career manager one Vivian lamb insisted you had to do this or be permanently barred from the program you also claimed this as a new public private Lee hoped she had found her way home safely the door to the room suddenly burst open making the jump he had been pacing around the space trying to wear down and in an immaculate dark blue suit consulting a tablet angled so Lee couldn't see the screen the man took his time to finish whatever he had been reading then she did with Air Mesh Systems to get people off subsidy and you claim an Air Mesh technician implanted biochip mesh hub under the skin of your back the table then waited for Lee to sit but the man remained standing he folded his arms over his chest

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Gab and Juls: How will Thiago fit at Liverpool?

ESPN FC

51:06 min | 7 months ago

Gab and Juls: How will Thiago fit at Liverpool?

"It's Thursday September seventeenth twenty twenty and this is the Gaba judicial you I referenced that you know what happened twenty years ago. Leeann no. Messy rocket. I'll tell you what it is such a big game Barcelos history that I reverend this time and again today. But anyway, let's move on because we have a big show for you Syria getting off this weekend We've got quick hits coming up Jaguars content looking to be on the move, but let's start at the top the Bundesliga who better than Derek Rae the men will be calling. These games four ESPN joining us on the line. This is W. as well if it is he has to do song organization or something like that. You will. I'm sure there's some Scottish. Fight Song that he can deliver it was. Later on Derek welcoming. Let's go right at the top. Geography Contra. Multiple sources including, of course, our very own mark Ogden reporting that Liverpool have agreed a thirty million euros twenty seven, million pound fee with by Munich personal terms TVD but it looks like that's about. What kind of player they're going to be concerned about all the Games he's missed over the years it'd be concerned about the fact that twenty nine years old how does he fit into this Liverpool team? I think he fits well, you know I I think as I look at ti go and yeah, it's interesting because in Germany not everybody has appreciated him down the years every step of the way. But when he's on his game I mean my goodness we are talking about a beautiful footballer and we sold that really under Hansie Flick last season there were doubts about. Going into the campaign when Niko Kovac, was still in charge but. We're talking about somebody who in technical terms and when it comes to actually delivering on the pitch really when he does it is a player who is on the national of central midfield players in the world. So Livable Levin, monitoring this quite clearly they obviously didn't find see the price to begin with but by on as Byron do have driven, not going to say a hard bargain but probably a fair bargain from their point of view. As you set Gaba, it looks as though it's happening. Jobs I'm assuming this vinyl domes gone now. Reports they don't need to sell anybody but in the real world, he's got a year left. You're not giving this dude, a new contract. What does it mean for Byron Go Derek because I look at this and please tell me if I'm if I'm being a little bit chicken little about this but they have they're going into the season with three wingers and one of them's liaison phenomenal player. But a guy who spent the best part of the last couple of seasons injured in central midfield. With Chagas gone you're looking at Toledo Yoshiaki Leeann go let Scott. Buddy result. Nobody seems to like. I do Zirk Zach Thomas Muller circling the backup to live on Dusky Upfront. Or. You can move buller there but then you need to put somebody else in midfield at right back. It's still Benjamin provide who's a centreback impersonating a right back. Let's kick there but then you're down to midfield. Idea little short they need to bring in new players to be sure of their teeth bundles a title. You could argue that you could argue if they're. Doing that. Tell me if I'm wrong. I don't know if you're necessarily wrong because and I'll tell you why I think if you look at law season, we said this is well, I remember having a look at by going into the campaign and even during the season and thinking, Yeah Lebron Dove Ski goes down then you're done to. And okay, he can do it as a substitute. He can do it on a one-off occasion but maybe not over the course of several matches, I always think gab an Julianne that's by on find a way around these things and you know last season they say necessity is the mother. Of Invention they made Alabama David Alibaba and zero back nobody was really predicting that at the start of the season breath because Lucas Fernandez got hurt. Yes I wasn't happy if they don't get hurt. Ripe. So they come up with a solution who's to say they couldn't come up with another solution light. I mean Alabama. For example, you know we know he plays in midfield has played in midfield I country. Now I'm not saying that's what they're going to do but I'm saying I think by on have solutions within the squad to be able to do that. You mentioned tally. So he somebody who's been frustrated because he hasn't played as much as probably he envisaged when he signed que- sauce I like usually aunt think he is a very good talent. So far hasn't been there in terms of the mental side of it, but I think he s potential. You mentioned about of course, there's another one. We're not sure if he's still going to be there next season but TD tools. Yeah I wanted to talk about the doorman obey with you because I'm a big. Fan and like Gab and nothing they can push by in quite a long way. Especially, if Jadon Sancho states if it doesn't taste different story but if he stays I just liked the look of them although other new way you standing there Houston five barometer of Laval not so much like me. I do think the after being. So close to years ago the Nassir close last year but maybe maybe something can happen this year or just in dreamland. No I think you and I are on the same wavelength with regard to dot and. I. Know that there was this big debate at the end of last season shoot. They retained somebody who in the minds of many had failed because you know he didn't catch by and didn't really get close to buy an in the end but I think you can see what father has done, and if you talk to people thought when they all rave about and the people who are close. To the team they say what he does how he works with US players is to be commended and I think he deserves one more chance and so I'm glad he's got that chance now the doubts I have about Dortmund are the same doubts that I had a year ago. They're all defensive doubts I think middle to front they're excellent. They will score goals they will provide the ammunition for. On I don't think that is a question mark. It's all I. Still Am not sure that they have done enough defensively to my Minnea- yes, you know he he's he's good and he will help but do you look dot Moan and say that is a watertight team will keep the door closed enough all them. So threats just just for the avoidance of doubt here I like Lucian Farve, as a person I think he's done some good work. Do you also get so many bites of the Cherry and after all the investment last year. I expected more from them but my considering this year though is we've all marveled tremendous amount of young attacking talent that they've that they've assembled Trying to name them all for those were ignorant been living under a rock I'll do it very very quickly quickly. Jaden Sancho. Yuliana. Brand Hazard Joe Joe Raina they've added Jude Bellingham. Roy It's a ton of people and on top of that of course that they've got people coming through Erling Haaland Upfront, they've got this kid Makoko who apparently he's just turning sixteen or. Eighteen or whatever who erling Haaland was turning with the first team erling. Haaland says all guys better than I was at his age. My concern is when you have that much attacking talent, you want to get them on the Pitch Derek. And yet you can only play. Three attacking midfielder and striker. How do you? How do you navigate that? How do you Kinda? Dole out the playing time in a sense so that everybody develops everybody stays healthy and and happy. And you also get results on the pitch without wall still maintaining chemistry I mean I think that was a challenger in that last season and this year swimming Sancho states it's going to be even more of a challenge though. Yeah, it's a very balanced strike especially for team dot moans where I mean. They are set up to attack and so everybody wants to get his chance and there's going to be somebody yes. Appointed at various times and I think what we've seen is the for document to be successful you make a good point they need this platform and they need a couple of players who are willing to take themselves out of the attacking side of it. Now I do think axel bit. So, though he had a little bit of a dip in form around the Midway, point of the campaign is somebody that can by and large rely on Thomas Delany had his ups and downs as injuries. But I think you know to make the point about it father to be successful does need. It's a half players who are willing to sacrifice. But that of course also means that somebody amongst those attackers was attacking players who you mentioned is not going to be getting a game. You know what I'm worried about for the Bundesliga there and I you know we we we showing it on ESPN and I really hope he's a great season and I hope he's open and have a title race of be like we had last year when Leipzig where I am glad by where I and all of that but you've lost as a league I mean, you've lost seven you've lost Vernon, you'RE GONNA lose. Juggle. You might lose Jalen Sancho you've lost people like Kevin. Fallen He's not. He's not messy birth bays. He's been a really good player in the Bundesliga for many years. Now I live a Kuzin and as you think that the the League if you compare all the places we've left compared to the plaza of calm. He's a wiccan league compared to last year and I just I just wonder what kind of what kind of season are we going to see? Probably, point I don't get lost on anybody connected with the Bundesliga, but these top players have gone, but I think the Bundesliga has been. Careful in terms of how they have managed to recruit in recent years. I'm talking really about all the league clubs. Now you know talking to you a Frenchman yourself the French market has become particularly interesting for Bundesliga club and I think they've they've done a fabulous job that I mean look at somebody like Moussa. Gabby. Sir Lebron Kuzin who I'd love watching him and I. Think there is real potential for him to get better under your favorite Beta boss We'll see how that works out in the course of the season but I mean, there are so many other examples of French players who have come through. Are, getting their chance getting their platform. So this is where I think the Bundesliga has to be creative. They know that you know the way the world is now and in Corona Times, maybe even more so they are going to lose players probably to the primarily more than they have. So it's up to the clubs to be resourceful and I think most of them are capable of being that. You mentioned by Labor cousy near you mentioned Moussa. Koussa. Too frizzy. They've added a Patrick Schick upfront. But most of all, they have this kid everybody super excited about Florian, verts can you describe him a little bit I? He made his debut last year before when he was still sixteen years old if I'm taken. He's School with your true inevitably, people are going to compare him to Kai hearts. Is. Bit Different. There are similarities with habits for sure and you know it was part of again we had been with Kern just down the road but you know players from area are often attracted by Labor Kuzin the not a bigger club in terms of support but they have the resources they have the financial backing I'm Peter Charisma go forget. Of course yeah. I I know that you always beguiled by the charisma of of of the. Obviously As well but I I think that's What's good about him is he can play again across the front. He's flexible tactically in that sense. It's probably too early to say, yet you can look at traits that are absolutely reminiscent of Kaya, hats when he was coming through at the age of seventeen but I think the future is very bright and I think the boss will not hesitate to US via. Sir Labor a lot the season, a team in a transitional face having lost Harvard something lost Kevin Harlan's but having gained Patrick Schick and I think that will be quite a significant game. We talked about father and the pressure and I think on, it would be under pressure as well as. Nine how the full first season and won the travel and etc.. And Peter Bosh Four we know could be could be out of the door in three months and. Probably. Hope so. But I think Niagara Salmon and the pressure he's under because lobster have they have to improve your they? Yes. It's a season where. Semifinalist of their Champions League finishing third in the boost your after having been in touch with the top four. Most of the season team has gone. Tim Verma is gone but they. They've replaced him in a way I guess with Wong from Salisbury but they would maybe. Investor be more between now and October but you want to see Niagara Zeman trying to take on game and teams game to another level as well. Yeah. Help us out with that on on Livesey because they were linked with with a whole bunch of of players. They end up with I. Mean we saw I I've only seen this dude on TV. Against, Liverpool in. Itself but. Is that enough I mean? Can you can you squeeze stuff out of Poulsen and Kumcu some combination out there is. GonNa come good I. Don't know somebody's GonNa come. Sign some stolen. You would think so has been talk about life livesey getting away from the model traditional Botox Traditional Club, the model that they have established, which is signing younger players, polishing them eventually selling them on maybe now they're having to look out of necessity older players but I think I'd be a little bit worried about Livesey. Not as I think they're going to crash anything like. That but how do you keep developing with this model and with the other teams in the League and with the personnel they now have on the personnel they no longer have with with team Oh van not there and shit. Cool. I. Think in his own way was an important contributor last season as a front man within that system, not necessarily a prolific goalscorer but somebody. Who did a lot of the other things? So you're now basically saying to someone like us powers and one of the sort of pioneers if you like for life see when they were coming up divisions, you have to to be the guy again we'll see I mean, we'll see who they sign I would imagine I would assume that we're looking at more signing is for. Livesey narcos amount of course wants them to develop has wanted them to be a more multifaceted team because they are in their core. There are still a pressing and counterattacking site. He's tried to change them to make them more possession orientated I. Just think that there is competition there I don't we're GONNA get to both Co mentioned Gladbach I assume that we will ask. Gladbach next my man Michael Rosa. Yeah. I you know I think that that is going to be a really interesting battle if you like lights he and Gladbach just in terms of where they are with their respective developments I feel like we've hit most of the most of the bigger clubs are gonNA leave you on this because. When Bob Bradley was appointed at Swansea and became the first US coach i American coach to manage in the Big Five. Felt like it was a huge delivery coming out of the woodwork talking to him Blah Blah Blah and I know is a big talker and you have the track record before that. But the second American coach legitimately American coach to coach in a top five leak. is going to be making debut this weekend it's it's know much route. So a newly promoted. Why is nobody to be buzz around in US? It's almost seems like nobody knows who he is and I shouldn't this guy be getting a little more attention. One hundred percent I don't really understand that one either it's not as though he's somebody who has no connection with the country of the US we have US citizens who who have never. To pretend like Fabian Johnson dude he's He's from New Jersey he's from North Jersey groper they all grew up cloudy rain barrel and whatever all the way back to John. Harkes he I think he went to college there and you just move there in his mid twenties right? Isn't that a story? That's right. I I've got great respect for him because he moves it wasn't a glamorous movie basically moved to play lower level football in Germany and made a life for himself there and has made a coaching life for himself and he's learned from some of best and of course, he's working on the Thomas Hitzlsperger there at Stuttgart and I think the interesting thing Gabon and jewels is the. Last. Season when things were not looking great for stood guard, they were having their ups and downs we were wondering if they were going to get promoted instead of doing what some decision makers do and the reflexively firing matter at. So he did the opposite he extended his contract. He said, you know what we have faith in this guy we brought him in for a reason they only brought him in at the midway point of the season. we're going to reward them with an extended contract and eat at the job he got promoted. Now I do think that there will be a lot of eyes on master stood guard in the early part of the season. If it goes the wrong way, they got off to a terrible star. Then he's probably one of the ones that we will unfortunately be talking about as who could be replaced but there's no reason to believe that'll be. The case he's a bright guy he's got great ideas and we all wish him. Well, I also love the fact about this is the as we said, this guy who wanted to make it happen he made his career happened he played is yet he paid his dues you put his rear end on the line and he worked his way up from the bottom Derek. Thanks so much lookout the Bundesliga as on ESPN plus if you're in the US and. will be chatting to you throughout the season. No doubt what about their initiations Oh yes. Derek we've come on come on debut you have to if you want to senior clubs song. Yeah. A little boy Britney Spears. Okay I can do that easily. So obviously, say I'm from Aberdeen North Scotland's and. We have a we have a song of the Aberdeen Aberdeen knows I'll see you can find the right pitch here and you can. You can judge every marks out of ten and I'm sure they they will not be flattering but here we go. Northern lights all the old Dean main home. Sweet home to me the northern light saw Dean are. I long to see I be now one. Of My life. As their side, I've seen God spe- The day when I'm on my way to my home and D. Off. Those Hussein football began in in the primarily league. Let me remind you that the mighty Aberdeen managed by somebody named Sir Alex Ferguson I don't know what he was. It wasn't. So then yes. But he was just Alec at the time the. European Silverware they gave Scotland their greatest ever defender at greatest ever Aberdeen Player. Do you know who I'm talking about? Now, of course. In one, thousand, nine, hundred. That would be one willie. Miller am I correct Derek there's only one William Ella. Cup scholar would have definitely won the World Cup. Bat. Way Back in nineteen nine two. So. and. Of course Joey Harper the most underrated striker in his Dean Gordon Strachan. Gordon's tracking also useful player. That's right. Joy Hopper I'm actually doing a podcast interview with him this week for the club. So Joey, Harper that he is alleged. March, we gave you the Bundesliga are we gave you some mighty Don's as well peers, Eric. Thank you. Thank you that. Gills. Rituals, I was more than Enough Bundesliga. How `Bout I can you make? You excited Lebron I mean more than more than no more Sarah season starting I'm. I've I always get excited. I watch almost any kind of. however, this is exciting because there's so many question marks around you fantas- I. Think you know the General Sense and many people feel this is that you've won the title last year by they moved away from Odi Society they still don't have a center forward as we speak looking GIECO MAYBE SWAT who go for Nine them I I mean I. Don't like the thirty four thirty-three-year-old that. You get for short term fix but the idea is you already have a thirty, five, thirty six to be. As. Good as is not doing your team. Leaving aside, the fact that these guys are basically kids relative to to slot on. But that is Kinda of. Feeling is that they have to we now. Walk Donald still there. So Striking a free transfer I. Get, they're paying decisions they made earlier troop. The objective for Uber, is the Champions League right whether you've been another Syria title no, you've already one nine row. Can you win the big with front? Always we suarez from. She don't you think a bit more so. This season yeah I think this season Jecklin Suarez up. You're talking about a guy who can play X. amount of games you know in knockout rounds presumably you get to the to to the quarterfinals or whatever on your own, and this is where you need that. You know my feelings on thirtysomething strikers, right? From people for being critical of Arsenal and Willian. Look. By once you go down that road. And you're stuck in a corner which is corner that Arsenal risk being stuck in You know. This is what you're going to do Indebted. I think the conventional wisdom is that they are best placed to do it surely. Sort about if they can cook with the pressure if taken cope with the pressure. So the first game that does a really good where he wants to, they may be points if he goes crazy again and they sort of lose nerves the lose the lose their mind, the Luther nerves I that time last season. That could cost them otherwise they yet. They should favorite still very short-termist. I think from from interpret but again, that's what we're seeing now. Obviously, they're really pushing for Vidal, Diogo Dina's sticking around as far as we now Alexis Sanchez of course confirmed. I've got I've got one for you could these be Atalanta's yet because because you can lose his she's old and this could go. Bats because. You don't know the money the bit of time to adopt and get into the groove things. Okay. Maybe Milan E. Bra. You brothers in school. They don't have any those other anything but could these BS. Year. You never want to write them off the what we've seen however, I would assume people some degree are gonNA adapt and and figure out do it also, there's still a chance that Papa Gomez could be on his way. Got Off he's great but you really need to step up if you're GONNA replace Papuan none of course, the the pop dance also questions about. was injured for all that time. So I don't know about that I. Mean I think of it somebody else I kind of like what obviously lots of came very close last season. They've hung on to virtually all the town players, which is, which is a big plus However I think they Kinda overachieved. Mobile pulling crap off again this year we were on the excellent ESPN show mutiny and Stuart Robson said or was it. You know it was it was three I was captain obvious Robson Yeah in the city I was going to be compared to super competitive this year. I was thinking about it and for so many question marks with you with with what would what he can do. You like to at least you understood the logic behind, but it could employed badly I think it could be an to the disaster you could be. It could be Cherry Ori co-signed staff uniform winner I really hope not because I want to do. Well, I think everyone likes. PLO. To see him doing well, everybody believes they could do when he adds orgy attribute to become a manager the way he was the player he's etc etc etc. But he could could really badly, we're going to get in this little mortgages and the quickest we're GONNA be talking about his master's thesis and I think this is kind of a unique situation visit because he. Guiding new job ever manager for WHO gives you a Master's thesis, which is like this is how I wanNA play football and goes into extreme detail. It makes really really I know but check a Motagua better. Than Him and he was a disaster Genoa so he's not because you'll do really good. That's suggesting. But what I find interesting is his tackle does not ended appeal but anyway. What I think is really interesting here is. The type of football that he wants to play is. Very obvious like a blend of Guardiola and KLOPP big surprised there. There's a lot of counter pressing when the ball over the ball quickly keep the ball on the ground go vertical attack the space all the stuff, right? I didn't is very, very tacos with quite complicated position shifts movements. And you know I may do parallel with Zedong, which really angered. Man Manager you'll listen to the quiet old guy who was a superstar in a way you're not gonNA listen to. Saadia Rafa, Benitez or whatever But it's funny because the Dan came in and he didn't particularly do. Anything sophisticated. I'm talking about when he i. Would agree we agree with what worked under Carlo Alright not much. All I can do is really screw things up so I'll just keep the same thing. That's funny enough but these these jobs are harder. Than the than the Riyadh job was Physi- Dan Really. Oh, definitely. Definitely mean so much to bid for now when like you said, you done already arrived on the house was pretty much build. You had to do the little bit of painting there and there I was in yeah and and I think you're missing crazy when you won the leave so many times in a row to say something like that but you're absolutely. Absolutely spot on and what I wonder is. He's being asked or present himself as a guy guys all these tactical ideas. But at the same time I, think he was hired because the club see him as a Dan type GALACTICO whispering. Manager and I think that's going to be the. That's GonNa be really interesting dichotomy there while really like and I think he he because he's so intelligent he's not surprised but he he went and get quite an experience stuff with him he could have just. Just, hired the guy who passed his is cooking badges with, for example, are people who? Played. Wilbur didn't have much of inexperienced but he knew that the. How he will lead with staff would be fine posted but he went to get some people who have been there before he got somebody innovated on. Ideas I'll I'll name check him but he got a guy named talking about yeah. Nobody's really heard of but he's the head of an out. He was the head of analysis with. Italian FA. And you know in Italy a lot of old school coaches, they're not really into analysis tactical Gallison licks might do some video analysis on whatever. That's pretty innovative. What he brings because you know a lot of think. Beatles tactical vision has partly been shaped by interactions with this guy furious thesis, he mentioned all this data stuff that he picked up. So that's going to be really interesting how that works so. We spent a lot of time on. You've I just want to give one last shot up to it all my because we don't. We. Obviously. Losses huge and if jekyll goes that's going to be too but. They're hoping to replace GIECO waste out with milic if he goes. Be. A seamless transition or should be I mean I don't think he's as gifted technically than than Kuwa- don't really grow the left-foot. Volley Dr Jacobs. Couscous for Roma US Dunford Bridge, against Joseph, I in. But in the approach of the game and he's profiled roughly. Similar similar to one could do and you've got the Fonseca Magic in year two. I don't know I I I have Roma finishing finishing in the top four. All told you some game on sutter tonight I believe Sunday Sunday night Sunday nights. This is going to the whole of of the country's GonNa Awards, the whole of Europe is going to watch. These what do you you? If stance? On his face how? We just sit down with the standard. shelter. Law Will you stay choir will lose this? It'd be fascinating obviously lessons. Right, enough of all that, how about some quick hits? Let's go. TURN TO FACE LOKOMOTIV PLOVDIV in the league. Thursday night. But we're not gonNA talk about that because it's marginal the big news is that multiple reports suggests that they're about to bring back Gareth Bale on loan row Madrid reportedly paying half of his wages tvd tools does this excite you and does it excite you to the point that you're willing to sacrifice daily Ali who's been left out of the Spurs squad for the Europa League via we keep a for later Burger Bay I. Just I love the stories I don't I don't think survey good idea and sometimes those stories of all. Digital Song coming back to the club seven years after leaving for record feared the time etcetera etcetera sometimes, you might get injured you. Say That is Daniel Levi's driving this more than Dan Lee has a heart and emotions. He was. Negotiating. For social regularly and then he thought going to wipe out maybe. It would be a great coup for them. I think the funds would be excited. The funds will be happy Gareth I think certainly would be happy and you believe he's hungry to come back and play for Spurs again and all of that. So I think. Makes Sense in a way although I still think before bring someone like him. They should have thought more about strengthening positions in attitude they need a centre forward with different profile. Can play centrally based not the same. I still think I'd be. Good enough I love regular and we come to debate. If. You gotTA sacrifice bail. If you sacrifice alley who's one of your central midfielders and you don't have that many to make bail work even short term I'm not so on board with it. Anyway right. Reports reports I don't know I don't. Hopefully hopefully now because on don't either God because they're on the verge of tying up to deal for several regular remedy left-back for around twenty seven million pounds million-euro. This is a great cool. I think he's so bargain a really really really I think he's a tremendous signing. This whole thing about links united. Then reports were saying the united in wanting because we're all Madrid insisted on a buy back clause two years you know what? Buy Back clause my back 'cause the guy is real. Madrid is GonNa WanNa go whether it's whether there's Aiba closer not right you. Negotiate different bonuses whatever he comes here for two years. He does really really well, Ramadan ready have a guy in his position in furlough mindy to leave Marcello as well. So you know hurry to get back bring a main, not a lot of money very gifted player interesting Ben Davies also gives you options perhaps with the sometimes. Yeah. with Davidson there. So I'm totally on board with it too I. Think it's great signing search. Your man needed an injury time winner from Juliet you to live your first mixture of the season one you'll over mets and stick. Player sent off this time. It was dude yellow but Joel. This is all overshadowed by the wild finish in the patient Marseille game Sunday night and five red cards in a minute walk through the fallout. Yeah. We have the sanctions from the Discipline Committee on Wednesday nights almost the same time as the the game finished during the game during the mets game. So he's a six-match banned. For for cassava one who started everything? Yes. At least through the most punches and kicks on on a Matvey, got three games for retaliating Neymar the big question was we were wondering how much you would get for slap on the back of our head got two games. So the Perez who started the whole Brown by being crazy for the fifteen minutes she said on the page and then. Game, but it's just one game. The the big thing though is the racial abuse claims by name are towards Varo thus is under investigation investigation. So we would know that bellator and for the de Mario Spitting on Enviro. They've? Could mean for next week I. Think it could be in big trouble to Miami we. Could see on the footage I mean are so it during the game to be fair right but now they're looking at, it could be yeah it could be bad for him. All right but. No look the the president of the French for federation came in with a interesting comments on racism in football said when black, when, when a black guy forgive me scores the goal the whole stadium extending not really sure I was going that. So quite frankly the phenomenon of racism in sport and in football in particular does not exist obviously told this guy for real. I have no idea where this comes from I mean I you know to go from one incident to going and making big pronouncements i the also cited something. Where they said Oh, there's only one percent of the incidents I don't even know how to define incidents football are of a racist nature. If, you want to say it doesn't happen every week fine but also that's pretty tone-deaf to say when you have an incident just say there's no place for this we're investigating it. We take this seriously move on you don't have to say the sky's falling and everybody's a racist but equally don't minimize it like this and also like. Are. We still back in the nineteen thirties where we think that you can't be racist if you applaud somebody who scores the goal for your team assured. The guys is the top of French football. He's been there since volatility since stuff in Corsica, all those issues with with racism lately in the last five years and he comes without kind of rubbish. Disgrace going back to last March you told me here, rick album sign a new deal with Arsenal and now we are. Now he's locked up twenty, twenty three but Jules really the highest paid player at the club earning more than me to. Easing. But really good. Did nothing more than ozone no more than those are. Coming from, but you know what he? He believes he deserves it. He wants to stay to become a legend in the club, leave a legacy building legacy all of that. He is the club Tatar really wanted him to stay. So the dressing room so defines I think it made sense it really made sense for us. No my feelings on this do you want to keep out but that's fine. I think means you gotta ditch like that and you shouldn't have signed. William. But Hey, I'm in the minority here evidently. This goes much the city reportedly contemplating at its Madrid Jose Jimenez or Severe Carlos to sign an alternative to Kelly do Korea Bali which seemed that this deal is still very difficult to make an especially if nobody keep on the price that they want to eighteen million euros, who would be a better fair Jimenez all the callers awkward you I like Jimenez Better also he's not left-footed so like They have now all of a sudden, a whole gaggle food centre backs but. He meant is the Bayat clause hundred, twenty million. You'd want to work that down a lot. He is four years younger than Cooley Bali but. I don't know I still think this gets done I. think body comes. That's my feeling but I don't want a bowl is a defendant can play likely by the industry that we don't engine even on. Its the twentieth anniversary of the day. When you know messy arrived in Barcelona today, we're celebrating op yesterday. early with a golden a win over, you don't have for twinkle on the couture gay Jill's it should ever easy at this club. What still with Kuban not being legally allowed to seems Kumon cannot manage to crept cannot be on the bench because they are yet to agree a severance package for kitchen being sucked at the end of last last last season. Finished late last season. Source. Iraqi. Club the Bartolo resident bottom. Doing. It's just time for you to just retire from life just retired from life all. Gabrielle pillows, Master's death. This was published this week and he basically as you exactly. Everything is going to do as Imagine I. Assume you've read it. I read this morning he goes into extreme detail all the defensive movements is. Great for you to read. Let's see if he puts it on the bench. I don't think it's GonNa, be quite as easy as we expect, but it's very Gorgonzola KLOPP. Early Fund Hal ask that great. I think everybody's excited to see what he can do not or a big gamble I maintain the. After early harnesses words at the weekend Biron continue blowing kisses at a hobby w alibaba's agent Selye midget courses, their sporting director sort of because all ECON into. A savvy quote things in other dimensions and that his wage demands a crazy and that maybe other clubs crazy thought. But we're not jaws. How will this end up? I would end up by Alabama not renewing his deal now having no signing staying are buying and then leaving on a free next summer where he go for the money that he wants to get physically deserves to get by don't to don't don't give him. I. Don't know why you don't want to make him one of your highest earners when he's been so good for you for so many years when you've underpaid him for some as well shortly deserves the. And then and then another. Realistic than somebody coming in with an offer for Alabama said, they can't sell you call replace him. The Guy can play in every position pretty much on the pitch. It would be you know losing. The money's you've got the goal money. So there wouldn't be that much or we soom they're getting the toggle money. Wouldn't be that much pressure there. The you call news both. Alibi in the summer for them it would be it would be crazy. So. By the. and. Then let him go for free because I don't think unless you give him the money I. Don't think maybe they will maybe eventually they said, okay. Okay. Is Worn less pain play a long game. Yeah. According to multiple reports are you a billionaire cross is to Palmer that would mean the after Roma, Fiorentina Bologna Milan and probably other. You. Don't want to write a quarter of Syria. He's not owned by North Americans whether from Canada from from the US? How'd you feel about? I think it's good. I mean I think and by the way on cow Krause citing deliver world because I spoke to him Offense but you might be something that might be something coming up on the website But anyway I. Think this is really important for Syria I think the League has been horrendously mismanaged, which is why other leagues I'm talking to not just a result on the page but commercially in terms of image other other leagues have caught up and passed it and I think what we need is more professionalism and I think we need more owners who understand that the game is also a business and you take a medium-term and long-term view I'm. Is when the Cockroach knows nothing about Italy nothing about how Italy worked not nothing about how difficult it is to do anything I think in terms of administration I think that's true to a point. It's also despite the fact that Kyle Kraus and he's listening gives me you're saying this looks extremely mid Western and Germanic His mom is actually Sicilian and his family. Also, came from. Struggled yet but that's not why struggled. But I mean I I think partners are different I'm not saying this guy didn't necessarily be success but I think you need people you need more people like that as opposed to people who? Every time there's a league meeting they fight they argue over scraps and and try to undermine each other I. Think when we get your critical mass of good owners in Syria. Or lease owners who have a business sense in city and you know we've got these five. While there's always discussion about them you would probably add to the left. You would certainly add the other landowners to the list you will probably add. To the list you know you're getting to that critical mass where people like not to mention because I know he's not listening. are going to matter less and less, and you won't have this small clubs stopping big clubs perspective. Other interesting thing is touched on before selling ten percent of the commercial rights to a private equity fund I think that's going to help because you're gonNA have negative control, and they're going to hopefully help the help the league move forward, which is something that I think very much needs. Jack Religious signed a five year deal with Aston Villa after saying it was fifty fifty whether he would stay this means he's not going to united this summer. Wisely part to stick around. So I think. Maybe the the cynical thing he also renewed because no one can for him. Certainly not united, it's united not at the fees that the on the other hand is good because. Because he will go one day because I think he's good. I villa he would go to a bigger club. Spending a lot of money to some but they're never they were never going to. Champions League for them to do and brings European cop. One of my best friends is. No He's Roach and he loves us in Villa and I, really hope for him that they can finish it for you know they want and I. Think one greatest wants to what was she's very international now so I think he will leave one day but at least you got the club covered, there will get some money for. The. Kind of guy who live one year left all on a free or something like that. So I I like the fact that he's that he's sticking around villa historically despite the difficulties are you know if you don't want to obviously there's a big gap big six everybody else but historically there in. United Families, Clinton I. Yeah. Exactly. I love the fact you gotTa homegrown kids remains debuted love the fact that he's a big personality and in the Andy sticking around at least for a while he doesn't need to become Matt Latinos here and think. You know I least give villa a time to chance to grow deafening. Going back to the room on the verge of signing defensive wounded Kid, Mala Kimbala from Hellas. Verona. By the way I'm surprised I'm surprised going to Romano bigger. Club. Went for him but that's another matter gets. Bigger. Than the club from the attornal city. Would say it's Rome yet the oh I know okay. Nine the Champions League champions a guy. Already have. and Gianluca. Cini us. Sent the box. Does this mean though is definitely closed on the mighty Chris Morning? Coming back. This is really interesting. United fans pay attention here because. The gauche were reportedly broke down and whatever else. it's only had a tremendous season. Came back a different player I can only assume the United States got a great season. It'll you grew as a player when it comes to central defenders. We have Lindelof we have germs we yeah. We have the guy who gets arrested in Greece we have you know like. Let me. Know things. In the past and see why we sent you on loan but let's at least have a look, right? Yeah. So I think united being smart in this seeing social evaluative seeing if he can play part this season. My guess is of swollen feels as if you know, he's not going to either be a starter or the first substitute. He might go to the club and say, Hey, can we work something out I'll take a pay cut whatever let's make the deal happen either to go back to go somewhere else because based on how he played last season if it's not a united, this guy deserves to play something that would have back right even with the as and Kabuga kinks afford efficient. So look. Danielson bullish. On. So yeah, absolutely. WHO say my in Memphis defy been linked with moves all season long mostly to arsenal and Barcelona respectively but Leon spoke about the recently and said what? Yeah, what they said the Had nothing beats nothing from either nobody nobody wants to know the interest is that we know that and I believe astronaut preparing a deal a bid. Sorry for for our once they sell Luke Astara Property Torino after Martinez went to. So. I think the two different. I think also we we'll. We'll offer something to Joan for our and I. Think this one could happen. Full Memphis sorry. Different because. The second right because we've seen, I'm worried at Arsenal because we you know we we've seen this version of the played of three, four three obviously in the opener it was shotgun. Now many I'm assuming it's going to be shocked and sue BIOS right is kind of a base where does it mean that? They're going to go with three central midfielders or maybe not playback three ideas to move to a full three three anyway some points. So tyranny moves back to leftback. So we don't have to see yet for example, for classic. and then you could play three midfield and how. But I can play in a in a in a three four three in the two. He runs the law he's got the back and forth. Definitely more so Perhaps maybe more. So than Tobias although he doesn't have the defensive mining approach, appropriate number six would have but I think he can play there. So this is an interesting one Memphis Bossa have to sell first before they buy. Anyway that's also goes for. That goes for session your desktop goes for all the other. Give away for free by the way. Some of these these are some. Of the door. So I think they would make an offer again too young for Memphis once they've been able to maybe. You know sell. Dial go all. Okay. Some money for a player there and then, but unless we still have the mighty mighty Mussa. So they don't really need. They don't really need to Pie anyway it's a tragedy. You'd rather have some money for Dubai for Leone, right? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely, and because because the only one sonny's contract and. And and I think they would want to make money him. Got Fi fi giving away a one point five billion US dollars in grants and loans to have full survive around the world after this pandemic what would be the money useful? So the idea behind this is that obviously you know football's hit hard all over the world obviously, we focus on the primarily going to top leagues but fullest everywhere. So even really tiny leagues tiny countries elsewhere even though the amount of money that they lost might have been less is still has a tremendous impact. I don't quite know about some of these. I mean I would the only ran who's the guy who's in charge of essentially leaving the community is going to give this money he said that. World football moves about forty, five, billion a year that they made losses of fourteen billion US dollar figures. Sounds like those figures are. They don't quite sound right to me because. European. Clubs Association. For example, said put the losses at in Europe alone at four billion over two years I don't see how the rest of the world can generate that much money whatever. But you know they're giving this. So know when something's they've given out this money so the players can take Kobe tests and start playing again, which very important because generates money. In other leagues like in Thailand, little more questionable like the money was then used to insist that they could pay for VR in the tighly which I don't know maybe could have been better retain maybe yeah. I. Got Badges View it's case by case. Combination of grants and loans fee for sitting on a big pile of money and they say I, think rightly, the we need this we run real football right? We we advocates world football. Let's give this money back to where it's needed and let's keep the show going to show part is and they spend a Lotta time you're showing us. Is that this money's audited and used properly wherever it goes because obviously, historically previous administrations. When. They started giving money that's when people got in trouble the. Jaws, I know you love your jerseys and your social. Media. I have here a list of the most instagram club kits out there. It's from a company called compared bat which might be totally might be do these basement alamagan Alaba but hey, we got. One. Yeah. So I need you to guess the top three. Okay he's they're wanting to be outside the boats. Scour our something with the Jersey the kids. These are all big rodrigues maybe not the ones you'd expect no Madryn force place I'll K. I will go maybe also like. Second that's summarize. Some of the show because of the funny dramatic lettering on the no, he's stylish. The idea is that you can wear your football buscher in the street, not just to go to a football match. So. To grab. So he's the research top top clubs. To the country our big clubs like PSG. I knew that was coming his ninth a lots. Okay, gone. So third place, it's Liverpool Right. and in first place, it's event is by huge margin because you publish love photos of you with us on instagram. No I think Shauna Renaldo does DOC FM. He's got a huge social media following, but it is a little interesting here. There's actually three clubs. No top ten meet on our ASE. Inc At our tense Byron Munich not very instagram mobile teams. I would have thought they'd be it'd be a little bit little bit higher. Yeah. Why finally gob Diego simeone eighties in quarantine after testing positive. For the virus do feel worse for him or actually for the virus. That's GonNa come with a copy that is a joke that everybody's been making in Spain. It's Yego see meal and the guys are in charge of the guys that beyond and viruses in the virus attacks. Over and destroy it now it's funny. We make love. Obviously this is a very serious. Very serious illness, which is a lot of damage but You know it's a blow for Madrid but best wishes to Giggle shemale and who you know I've had the pleasure and privilege of of spending time with going to lunch with him. He is I think minorities full body as one of the good guys told me once no wise advice to all young players when you're at home in your room. For you flipping through the channels on your television if you see green stop. If it's. Football Match Watch it if it's golf move on because golf is a complete waste of time nobody under the age of fifty should ever be worrying about playing golf guilty Melania not a golf fan clearly not gonna find would have been shocked. All This brings us to an end shot up to and. Watching the Champions League on television issue maybe maybe or maybe who knows. Maybe. We all we got we all we need. Catch you on Monday.

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C2E2 Review, Cons, and Anime Shows-APP016

The Anime Pad Podcast

1:00:09 hr | 2 years ago

C2E2 Review, Cons, and Anime Shows-APP016

"Hey, everybody, sheer boy, ride here again for another great episode of the anime pad podcast. Yes, I know I've been gone for a minute. But we've been doing a lot of stuff and I personally been doing a lot of stuff on personal life, but we are here again to give you another great episode and recap some of the stuff we've been doing some shows been watching some stuff that's coming up. And guess what? I'm gonna give it to you great today. I just I'm cited I'm happy to be back in the building doing the thing during the pike. Ask him. Sorry if you've been looking for another episode, and I've been missing, but I'm here back in the building. Don't forget to check all our platforms. I'm still doing a lot of stuff on other platforms on the YouTube E T W express team wave on the blog anime, Pat, that were press dot com. And of course, the podcast is always the enemy pay podcasts. You know, I'm still active on some of the other stuff to blog in tubes and popping men doing lot of stuff. But I've been in the pike has a little bit. But I'm back, I'm back. I'm back. So just as recap, we went to see to eat too, which is a Chicago's entertainment expo. And I mean it was a tenth anniversary. It was just huge magnificent. It's just crazy. Just crazy time. And I was invited out. So we went and. Cruncher Rohallah holiday at me and birth. They holiday me. Hey, come check out our booth when you get here, so like so that was the first thing I did it was between. It was March twenty second through the twenty fourth, I believe. So Friday was like, you know, Fridays of the Connie jozy, like they're either like the industry day, kinda like or like a slow day, just for the industry and press, and everything come out and like view to show floor and all that stuff. So it's like a soft day soft opening in, you know, Saturdays the Hughes day and sunny is like huge Dan, a tail off of Saturday. So so Friday I went to go see the crunchy row booth and verve booth in crunchy row. Taught to Lauren. She's a great great, great girl knows a lot about. Anime and we, we had some conversation behind seem just by enemies is a good time. But their booth was the tower of slime. So the tower slime, of course, if you know, anything by enemy is from the show that time I got reincarnated to sign. So basically, the main character REM rue the guy gets killed in. He's reincarnate into this slime slime ball monster thing. And but you notice show I talked about me as times on the podcast, but the they had a huge tower of like these being bags of him. It was just like this huge towel. You can sit on and it was coups like real comfortable. I even have a video have video up on a arrives media, Inc, page, Facebook page. So if you go to our Facebook pays rods media Inc. You'll find that of video I need to put that up on YouTube. I think it is upon easy. I think it's only two too, so you can find those veal's pretty cool. We did a did a quick interview and everything. Streamed live on Facebook. But at do it up on YouTube later, so you can check that out. It was fun. It was fun. We talked a little bit about the show, but I don't wanna spoil anything. So. But I'm spoiled a little bit on this episode. But then we went to verve, and you know verve as partnered with contro under relation and everything AT Augosto, but they have not only do they have crunchy row, but they have Nick splat, they have a bunch of these other instances, all into one umbrella that you can stream the have high dive, another anime of company has, like smaller properties. Some innocent, I foam work stuff, so they have a lot of stuff Nick splatters with a huge one if, if I were to spend a little extra money and give her our get IB, you know, spend a lotta time on splat but they have a lot of shows rooster teeth is on there. There's a lot of other properties like animation shorts and T V shows their biggest thing that they have out now is the. Woken, w Ziara D, which is like this wizard in community college. So if you can get into Hogwarts you go to this community college for being a wizard and they, they previewed their first episode which I didn't know. So I when I when I met the verboons, right? I'm talking to the guy. He's like showing me they had some sets set up for the shows and I'm looking like this person on this fire looks so familiar, but I don't know who it is. 'cause they kinda had like an his digital cartoonish looking way but is Dani Fernandez. And I'm like, oh, shoot I follow around Twitter and we I she crap it or sometimes and she likes it every night. But she's like this hut hilarious. Latina nerd and she's great. She's also beautiful. Shout out to Danny Fernandes Dani Fernandez, but she's Larry on the show and of its it's funny. So check that out verb as a lot of great stuff. A lot of great stuff you can catch, I think I did their panel. I think can kiss the video of their panel. Possibly on. Right media Inc. Facebook pays at believe is their eighth. Matt still good time, but I know crunchy rose panel is on their seek definitely. See that crunchers panels definitely on, on Facebook writes media Inc. So you can definitely see that there. But. Yeah, just see to eat to like, amazing Koss blaze mazing comic book now being the anime was there, but it was mainly comic books 'cause, you know, you had DC there, you had marvel there, you had ERI comic book of artists, you know, run DMC was there cause. He does a comic, this mazing stuff, mazing comic artists from all over the world where there art Allie was amazing. They had a Funchal pop claw booth there. There's only three in existence. And one of them was there. It was cool. I mean I mean it's just crazy had a lot of crazy stuff. It's just a whole. The venue was amazing. Just I had a good time. It venture center self just the McCormick place. Oh. Again, it's just a good venue, the hotel next door to the Hiatt. They, they had the it was sponsored by crunchy row. So they had food in drinks that were branded after anime shows. So the big shows were black clover. Let time I got reincarnated to slime and shield hero. So they had drinks that will based off. She'll hero food as based off all the shows like I had just to say, I had a few ahead a few drinks, and I had some slime potions one hundred percent does hundred percent potions. That's in the show year. I drank one of those, and guess what I was one hundred percent at at the had to of. I was two hundred percent if you will. But yeah, and then if you, if you bought one of these drinks, she got like this customary glass, based on an anime, so really cool, really cool. I mean, the whole experience of c to e to is amazing. I will be back for sure. Everybody was nice there. Well organized, I even got into this. We had after party on Friday, that was like for charity and stuff. So I went to that, and to be supportive and everything we had a good time. They had a conflict contest there. It was like a bar that was like, maybe like two blocks from the convention center. But it was it was a good time as a mazing I was I was even in this contest for. You had to pick out an anime based off, like. Maybe like thirty seconds of the opening song. And I was on a teen not knowing that I'm like, super anime press guy, but I was on his team with some, some local people, and for some reason there was only three of us on his team of, like ten that were like super anime, his it was me, a guy and a girl, and we will only ones that, like new new what we were doing. So we were in his competition with these other great teams like it was like three other teams three other teams and they like people that knew their animate openings like these people knew, and I'm like, and we're talking about, they their whole team is like part of this collective, and I'm on his team with just three people. And I'm like, man, if we have WalMart person we could win this. So we started off, like not getting anything like these. Other teams are beaten us out, and then my brain really got in motion, and I started clicking. And I got about. I think I got four answers right of our like teen. So I was really, really Inam like, yes, a no no know. No. You know, once my brain got to click in, I was all on top of it. And if we in the other two members, they really fantastic. And if we just have one more, we came in third place. You wind up coming in third place. It's one more team. We're on our team. We would want it all. But hey, you know is what it is. So but it was a good time. It was fun. See to eat two main food there is great. I mean, I don't I don't know what else to say about it, it, you know, they had the sci-fi of wire sci-fi and, you know, they're wired they're like, pock as a digital platform was there and doing interviews with some of the great guests, some great act voice actors, so many great come book, artisan, everything. So that was, I mean, man, you talking about walking on stage doing like these live interviews and everything and. Streaming it live. And it was just a magnificent time. You know, you had mazing actors Paul ribs. They're seeing punks poll to be there, but I didn't I didn't see him anywhere, the voice of Jeeva crisp Savitt, you know, all the all these great, people would air man. I just Goku Sean Schimmel, you know, just oh my goodness, a good time such a great time to be in the building. See to two I will be back. C TV, too. I will be back. I'll be back specified anime since they make a make anime a good portion of it. So I will be I would definitely be that be back for that also via was there. Viz had a huge panel would Robbie Damon, my boy, Ma boy, shutout Robbie Damon, Missouri Saint Louis zone with the groves Robbie Damon? He was there did a couple of years Ribe damning. If you don't know that's boy, but. He was there a data. He was at the panel. He did a great thing. They given out man at their panel was amazing. They gave out one piece world secret video games for PS four and X box on my goodness. They were given out some crazy stuff. They had like this bonus round at the end of the panel. Basically just showed out things that were coming out. You know, Bertone's really rob dam is Miskitos on brutal. So they gave out lot of and I can't think of other voice actors name the girl, but she's, she's Sarah voice actor, and they were given a lot of prizes stuff in had like a quick Hyun a Soza good times. Good time. Shout out to his media out to cruncher oshaf to verve and fundamental fun of Mason from sorry. Out fund a Mason forgot about you almost fundamentals there. Great panel. Great great panel Karcher, Royal, really shouted out the Jin lock anime that Jordan be is part of he's a he's the main character on that show. It's really not my forte because, you know, I don't do shale shaded threes. Not like if you if you do it on your anime. You gotta mix them to the air for me. It's gotta be some tutti or somewhere for me to, like adjust my eyes to say, oh, this is not, you know, trash to me, but I mean, I can't knock that I cannot I noticed the cheaper way to do the animation, I days, but it's just it's not it's just not pretty to me. I just sorry. But so Jen like they were really pushing that Michael b Jordan out, Michael Jordan. What kind of ever he's the main character on show Black Panther? So you can catch that. Uncontrolled course and then. We had the since Shiro wasn't Abby big director on afro samurai. So he invaded his new show. And I saw the trailer for in trailers out now. You by now. You've probably seen if you haven't go see that trailer. I forget the name of the show. I forget the name of the show, but it's like just few futuristic anime in to my disappointment. Slatter shell shady, three D in. Oh my goodness. I can't get away from it. Like, and I know he's a great director. And I know he's a notice show is probably amazing. But I just I just can't do the shelves say three. It's just like the ultra Netflix, ex I wanna watch it so bad. 'cause I'm a big Tokyo fan a big Tokumasu fan and I like Ultraman. But I just cannot do that shell say three. I just can't do it. I don't know. I don't know what else to do. I just I can't watch that. If you don't make to the inner, I can't watch it. Sorry, it just is not appealing to the eye at all. So I had to pass on that. And. But I'm pretty sure I'm I might have to just suck it up and watched his show by a sin Chiro, Watson Abby, because it's, it's probably going to be stellar. I mean he does della work, and I got I gotta check it out. At least I don't know. I don't know how to go, but see to eat to just amazed just flat out amazing even VU had water in everything every day. I mean it was just it was crazy. Good. I had a good time there sought asylum in Chicago. You know, that was my, that's my second time being in Chicago was possessed doing and may central, but yes e- to eat too. I will be back for sure. And especially if you keep that in a good portion of anime to, I will be there and also yeah, I got these really cool. Batman, eighty years peons. Yeah. I got some of those 'cause DC was big bear. So, you know, I got some paeans also adult swam issues used. They're all forgot so Adilson was used. They're also they were, they had his big Godzilla for the new, the new Gazal movies coming out. They had to Gaza likes big you statue from the show. I mean, from that movies come out that was nice. They had they had gun them. They had yes. They had Gundel a pretty good sized gun Nair. Like I can't even magin how many feet it was. So they had a lot of gun player or gonna play or gonna action figure playing. You know, you know, you know, the industry of, you know, put models together all this stuff, so gunplay. They had a lot of that there. And they had the big, you know, original Gundem you know, they're so that was amazing. I took a couple of pills that you could see all that. You know you see all that on rise me on Facebook, see those pitches. But yeah, that gun I want to clam up the legs and like see if I get into the cockpit. Now but his very, very well done like something you see only in Japan. So I'm very thankful for that. You know, I love my gun them. I love my gun so that was amazing. I trying to think of what else they had their, you know, have they are. They did the they had like this wrestling portion of it. So like Eric, Bischoff was they're telling stories and stuff. So that was they had a bunch of wrestling fans. That was part of it to power. Rangers was used because they had Walter Jones there and Billy Billy from arisen powering, does he was there, so Zack. And Billy from original Mighty Morphin Power Rangers day with their I, I went by Sables up, and I was their amazing is. And they still a good for being on that show and me Rimmer them like they look exactly the same except Billy has a lot, less hair. That's it. That's it. I'm besides like those guys are those guys from that from that amazing mighty. Fire engines, and, you know, Mayhew's pirate fan, huge supersede tie fan. So it was great. CNN also, you know, the DJ. His name's alkies. Koji. A koji. A Okey yet. DJ aoki's. He's got a he's doing a he's doing a comic now or he owns a comic company now. So he had a comic there that I got they gave an issue out. I got that have ready yet, but I got that I'm gonna check it out. Eventually see it looked really good. And then like they had to artists. They're the main artisan writer there and he gets sign and everything. So I got got his signature pretty cool, pretty cool. I haven't read the comic yet, though. So good times good times. I also like that. Also, like to see to you to has the official badges that you can scan it with the RF codes in them. I really liked that really a pronounced it. I'm pressed on the badges. I really liked that will or such a well organized, concerts will organize big big thing and I'll TV shows they were pushing so they were really pushing the Cobra KAI season two. That's that was really big there. And 'cause they had to guess they're stars from that show there Ralph Marchiano and the other guy can't take other guys name, suppose bag. Good guy. You know what I mean, Johnny? And then. Into the badlands so into the badlands season three coming out on Netflix. Now. Really used that was really Hugh's, you know, no longer. You know, we've been waiting on that at the season to wait on that. So long I forgot about this show, and I'm like, oh, they're, they're really pushing this into the badlands so and check that out on Netflix. I need to see that. I haven't started yet. But I the way ended I was like oh, shoot is really got good when I'm getting an excellent. We don't know until now so. Yeah. So see to do all my goodness. Great great time. They had this, you know, had to global cost play contest. Also yom's their course. Someone other major, major cost players that you see across a social media were there, some of the really big names were there. And I'll just it was just good to be there. Good to see all that. You could check out some of that coverage. Like I say, on Facebook Roz me, Inc. Also on the blog. And may. Now, we're press calm. You see some of that stuff, it's been a great stuff. I wrote opponent and pitches to and video so all good stuff. It was great to see to two and then I come back, I come back and we go to the world, Saint Louis. So boom we have back to Whistler Saint Louis. You know, we do his worth Saint Louis every year and did she was a little different? And so we walk in wiz world, Saint Louis, you gotta last smaller, like, really tiny. And so of big draw was Ottoman Jason momoa. He was supposed to be there and he's supposed to be there. All three days originally. And then he wasn't there, all three days he was just there on Sunday. So coming into Friday, you know, people got aware of it and coming into a refunded people's money only to Sunday and coming into Friday. It was like, really slow not a lot of people and it was just it was kinda like just turning along. And in Saturday came in it was a lot more people. But still kinda like it wasn't there wasn't too many panels. They has guest ours, like Chris ca- time. Sam. From lorraine's also, but from strange things Bob for change things of sorry strange things season. Two we'll see three was season two three I forget, but they were there and who else Tomini and Mikko Michael from a American pie. Was there. And also the Sherman ater from compile. He was there. They had the cast of charm there. So the Mary, Mary piper combs, they had, they had a some okay gas there. But if you think about it a lot of millennials, don't know, those shows Donald movies strange things, they probably know because they came out in their time, but a lot of the younger people don't really not show. So it really didn't really was. A draw necessarily, you know, guests stars are usually a pretty big draw, and then I thought that they were going to add some anime, and they really didn't. So there were no anime voice actors or anything, they had a anime section for video games and manga, which was presented by right stuf, but that was it as far as anime, subs, a little disappointed in that the anime and in their never some now, none, don't get me wrong over some great anime Koss plays. A few I should say, but it was mostly comic books and I was kinda hit. I talked to my great great great friend that I talked to every year Kurt later. We did an interview, Kurt Lanier has worked for marvel he's an animator. He's a cartoon historian, he's a artists August of he's original character concept for Franklin turtle, you know, that TV show, he, he came up that characters lined him. You know, he's big on gargoyles character designer for gargoyles oughta concept. Art for Gargo's. He's been part of he's animator on Space Jam a lot of good stuff. He's done mart, worked for marvel were closest Dan Lee. You know, August up. So he was there. We did a great interview talked about Space Jam gargoyles. Stan Lee and you know, August stuff we talked about. Great, great guy. Canadian guy, you notice Canadian gays great guy, so yeah, you could and you can check that video out on the YouTube express team way. And there's also preview on Facebook rise meeting. So great Kurt liner. Was there a Tim cook his buddy Tim cook, whose friends wit was there? You know him as the guy that came up with he man. Yes. The guy came up with the he man, and, and he row, which people don't know of was supposed to be, he may and son, that was a spin off by a dick entertainment, or, or D, C, entertainment, and income Riddick ethic. It was like five episodes, and I actually saw those episodes, but at that it fell off. No more. And so and Kurt learner actually did the concept art for that character. So I was able to get. Get that a print from him, the huge print get us. I am by him, but Tim cook. Yeah, he man. Hanna Barbera shows. I can't. I can't even remember all the stuff. He's been on she rug course August he was there again. He was last year. But this year he was more more. Well known more will receive. So he was there was a great time. And that was kinda Jason momoa came in on Sunday and had to play screaming and blown away his lion was, like wrapped around most of the Khan, and I mean, even after the con- close they were still doing signings for him. So. It was crazy. It was crazy. I didn't participate in Jason momoa stuff 'cause I'm not I'm not a fan girl. I commend was great. Great movie, but I'm not a fan girl like that. And, and I won't him swish my face or anything like that. Big do about away. But yeah good times. Good times wasn't where Saint Louis? Yeah. I was like I say it is it was a last malter. I'm Lou concern about them. Staying in Saint Louis. I'm looking about that. I don't know what the numbers were. I haven't got an Email about it being like he's we get Email, the 'haves great time, we had, so and so many people in this at another they're only supposed to being Saint Louis for another year. I believe in the contracts. Kinda up. So I don't know. I don't know was was to feature. Wizards, Saint Louis here in town, last mall impasse years to gas were subpar. There were no anime of voice actors there. So now out of entering representation, but I mean I don't know what happens scary, but was worth saying Louis I'm looking forward to next year to see what they do. Look forward to hanging out with a boy, Kurt Lehner again. And don't forget, you can kirtland is Instagram is Kurt Lehner art, seventy seven follow him. Look him out. That's my guy we go out to eat. We hang out. He's a good guy. Does does amazing art has an amazing knowledge of cartoon in, in an anime and comic history? Just amazing mind on, I mean I sit there for our we, we sat we sat for hours, talking about anime. And like pass cartoons. The year before, like, we just we could just go for hours, talking about that. So that's my guy love him. He's good people. Oh, yeah. Great artists. Great gate. Great everything. Let's just great everything. Yeah. Mista guy already already. I got away. I gotta wait a whole year to see his guy rear. I might have to go to Canada and just seat. His duly. Can we hang out in Canada? I might just have to do that. But great times. Yeah. That was where Saint Louis kind of wrapped up pretty soundly like that. And so. Yeah but to get into these this winter season. This winter twenty nineteen season ended a little short short while ago, it ended and just someone shows that I watched over that winter season Ecorse black, clover black hole is getting is just an amazing show. There's no valley's, there's no peaks. It just stay steady a steady great show. Is it just a steady gray show? Escot death character death. Great everything power levels autograph stuff that, you know, anime in a great shown, in anime in it's just it's just steady being great of love and develop between Austin, you know, their powers the people that they're working with other magician nights. Just it's just so good for for show to have so many characters. And you really get invested in some of their back stories and their character development is so good is so key black lower, I can't speak enough about that asked as my boy and I am a black bul. Shoutout to black lower moving on boogie pop and others. I didn't finish it. I'm so mad that I haven't had time to finish I need to. I've been really busy, but I'm having finished boogie pop others. It started off amazing his startup so amazing. And I was like consumed by the stuff and other shows. So will you pop others? Check that out. It's, it's, it's an the sequel or spin off to the other boogie pops from the nineties, man back in the day, when when I was coming up and you had to watch boogie pop on a g fourteen eve you remember that. So, yeah, check that out Burto a caught up on Burto and this show is not that great. Is not that great at all of a size. When I see SaaS gay and Nardo come in to do some damage, besides that. I'm like, man. I'm so bored watching his show. But. Just recently caught up. And I'm just gonna send this boil out and so SaaS gate comes in town to you know, I'm back in town. And he he's hanging out with cider. And I've been waiting on this was so long, so long, I've been waiting on, on, on SEIs gay to MIT but he was wrong all this time in our toll and Arto Shuping, I've been waiting for him to say he was wrong all this while. And finally, he comes on any, Mr. Sira that. He was wrong about some of his past transgressions any hinted at Naruto being the one that really made him realize that by them, killing themselves almost for three or four times. And that's the only way you can do that. Apparently out of friendship is to almost kill each other. But he finally admits that he was wrong. And I'm like, yes, finally, you minute that bro, man, I've been waiting on episode long you either. 'cause like when he when he figures out that he's wrong. He just soaps but he's finally openly admitted it, and I'm so glad for that. I'm glad for that him actually developing as a character in everything. So that was brutal. I'm caught up with that. And that's, that's kind of all that took away from brutal at this point. Yeah. And auto steel Opie. Sassa is like half O P, if he would just go ahead. And like be okay we're getting a fake arm. He be Opie Opie. But yeah, then I caught this show out of the blue is on crunchy road. You know, I watch everything crunchy row caught to shell out the blue cod domestic girlfriend. And I was like this show looked trays e I don't know. It is allow. But it's this, this high schooler not soon who. He goes out on his like on his karaoke date with these girls and his friends and discovers, like, hey, come sleet with me. Her name is ruby. He's like, okay say sleep together. Never see again. Then. His dad. He's his dad is his mom died, and his dad is single parent. Whatever his daddy, hey. I'm getting remarried. I want you come meet the lady. And. Oh, we think about getting married. I want you to come. Meet the lady, and he meets her and. The ladies the lady has two daughters. The younger daughter is Rui, the gird eighty slept with took her virginity. And the, the other lady the other daughter. I mean is an older woman named Heena, which is his teacher? Yes. And so in sues a love triangle between these three. Oh my goodness. This show is not for kids. It is not for kids almost can't believe is on crunchy row, the should be should be like some parental controls on his on this show. But it's yeah it's. It's a yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's close to that, that realm. Ramble. You know. Ram of. Yeah. I don't know what to say about it. I don't know. I don't know how I don't know how that made it to crunchy role in light. There's no parental locks on it. There's some there's some some stuff to goes down in issue. It's a yeah. They're producer condensers wanted to producers on it bit promotion, DM pitchers, licensed by sin Taffin work. So you already know Sint how film worse gets all that, that juice juice. But it's a. So drama, romance, ma'am, it's if you if you're like in if you're into that drama, romance, a lotta some Hanky panky if you into that watch this show 'cause I started watching it. And I was like, okay I cannot stop watching it 'cause I like a good romance. I can I could with some adult like themes to it. So I can I couldn't stop watching it. And. Yeah. Every through the season. So no shame on me. Just let you know how row no shame on me. Good show. Good show if you like that type, and then I jumped in onto this show out the blue peacemaker, cruel Ghana, and it's, it's only, it's only one episode or I guess there's only I guess it's only gonna be one episode but it's like an hour and forty five minutes, some crazy like that. But I watched it, it's, it's one of those historical dramas. About, you know, shoguns and the Takao hours and Toko, shoganate, and the magistrates and all that keel tobe way back in the day stuff, you know, samurais and, and samurais going out. It's out of style in actual armies and armies with guns coming into the pitcher so that, that type era thing. Good show. I mean it will. I don't know what it is, is only is only that one episode on crunchy row peacemaker, cure Ghani. So it's like our some but it was good. It was good good. I wish I had another episode of it, because it, it, it leaves some hints, hints to some future stuff. But I don't get to see it apparently. So that's a peacemaker, cure Ghani, and they move in a swat, online allegation man, you talking about some crazy crazy. And I you know, I talk about this show every episode but man, okay, I'm just going to spoil forget it look. Okay. So you boy. Boy, curious Cuito and use yo and Alice, you know, they're, they're trying to fight this giant. Mech thing I guess you could call it. That's built of three hundred swords. That the. That the boss has created. And. I don't know. I was I was like there's no way you guys a winning. I was like it's just is not possible. It's just not, you know, administrative the ministrations like this evil boss lady, and she's like, yes, I've been killing characters like I've been letting them build up their powers and beat his ultimate ultimate like swore. Character. And then I kill them is still there power. And then I make this giant mic thing out of it to destroy the world. Yeah. She's crazy. So we thought use your head, turn evil. He was tricking. Well he, he DA kinda give away dig it up to the ministry, or a little bit. But he can't use. Yo made them come to census by putting that to sores on. I mean not not too. So bad about putting him putting extra work on them. But he comes back to his cell. And so they go against the administrator and. The pontiff the pots of. So the pontiff AAC has to come to their aid, 'cause they was getting worked. Ugeal tires. Today's huge swore. Mac thing he kills the other sore make thing, but then then he goes up against administrator and she worked at boy, and he's like I'm dead. But his his rose, Royce still alive. So Alice got worked early in a game. She got knocked out and depart effect. She's she did now. So it's just is as usual. I mean, it's just a Curio so usually like a take my sore and, you know, how, you know, Q toes will have to source anyway. So he gets. He gets extra sore. Now it's time to work baby. It's time to work, so. You DO gives that work. I mean, I use U outside I curious gives that work, and he sort of beast administrator, but he doesn't and I'm not gonna say anymore. I guess I need I need to rest toward online. We are dropping their next season. I need that e mmediately is about to get crazy about to get crazy and sort online. Yeah. Run with the win. Great sport anime. They great cross crunchy Renan anime that I've been talking about for longest I'll maybe into so beautifully. So I couldn't figure out how gas going finish the race. He had one guy that was sick and like had flu like unlike this dude is not go run like they don't have to drop out because they only had ten guys and you gotta have ten is run. So if he drops out there done do running, and even though his time, even though his time wasn't great. He finished. And I'm like all this show so crazy. So I had to feels that whole episode and then. I mean, they had a lot of issues and you got your boy. Yes. Boy, Hiji who you know hurt his knee in, in, like the pre qualifier hurt his knee, so's knee one hundred seat. He had to take painkillers before the race. Unlike unlike man his dues Nago finished race man. I'm like, I'm like, let's go happen. So, you know, Kaku, the only like strong strong like this, this. What do you wanna say this prodigy of running? He's only one that can like, you know, do anything for real. So does the guys get pretty pretty good scores. You know, Eike Haditha Mussa you. Hey Joe zero and Joji row. They all get pretty good scores. Even king got a pretty good score and sew Kaku is he has to make up all those numbers that they left off because he's the best runner. So he has to make up and try and get them back into the standings. You had to was I think they had to finish tenth yet you gotta finish in tenth spot in a tense by to actual qualify for the next season and win. So Mike will qualify as. In ten spot. So. Kaku runs this amazing race, and he was beaten the other type guy, the top runner deaths in the country. He was beaten his time. He said, a new record for hisself in Kaku. Came in beat that record. I'm like, oh, snap Cocker's. They do in like, like I love when he runs they turn them into like this in luminated charactered, as just like blaze in, like inflammation is like the speed. It's like watching the speed force. If you know anything about the flash so that was great. And then Hiji actually run he he's the one that's gonna finish the race. And so he's running and the knee is like given out on him and his like, oh, it was, it was crazy, because they make this sound effect during him running. They make the sound effect of like something come. Unhinged like like screws coming on hands and is is supposed to be the sound from his knee while he's running, and I'm like, all, I'm like, I'm like, filling I'm feeling all these emotions man. He's supposed to finish this race in his all on him. And like how's the psych was go happy? He's like he gets I don't even care. He actually enters dissolved on sorta, like work were cockerel. Is he answers that zone? He's like, but it's not they have a slightly different color for him versus Kaku. Speed force and he like I don't care. I don't care about this need off. They had to cut it off or whatever, I I'm, I'm a run as best I can finish this, and they qualify for that tents by and his great Kaku gets lower veins on his old team. The. Sports complex team. You know that, that was the team he got kicked off of. So he gets a little a little revenge on him. And because he knocks him out of the standings. So man, great show. Great show into so great Kaku. He still running. He was being a captain as the other guys graduate and hygiene. He's coaching now. So Manny integrate great such great show. Great opening themes production Aegean since I film worse was the licensor on that good, good. Good. Good grace, boy, anime, it just ended in at once season, and like, like a Indiana's, like I wish there was more, maybe there will be. I don't know. They definitely do another season with Kaku being being the captain now the team, but I don't know is great. Such great Annemie but it ended. And moon on that time I got reincarnate to slam. So we get to the point now where all the fighting is kind of done in, in reincarnated slamming. I'm like, okay, so just out of the blue. Rimma. Ru was demand characters Sime Karrada rumored. Tempers tempests, his whole thing. Now is I'm gonna go for feel she owns dying wish to say these, like five kids or whatever six kids, so he goes, and he becomes teacher these keys way out somewhere. And they all had ease. You know, you know, the whole thing is when you get some into this world you, they. You get these powers day like this mystical power energy that each you live, basically. And so his job is to figure out how to slow that down in these kids will save these kids so loan story short. He finds out that there are spirits, and he goes to find these spirits. I'm spoiling, his soul all spoiler. He goes to find his spirits, and apparently, you can summon spirits. In this one place, you can summon spirits, and based on your like personality and traits. You can some in a certain level, spirit Anna's turned type spirit. So each wanted to kids, he has, and you had to go pray, apparently, or just be like crazy to get when he spirits to, like you in, in go into your soul. They they and they wind up like a habit in the energy that's placed inside their body and slows slows that decay down of the energy killing him or whatever. So, like all these key is get a spirit, but wanted a girls like gets dispirit that looks like date looks like the girl, she owned it died that Rouge was like, Mary, so she gets dispirit and I'm like that's weird. It looks just like old girl and. She kind of looks like oh girl, too. And I'm like. I don't know how to feel about this. So. That was like my huge takeaway from the show. And then there's like this ominous last. Couple episodes that I won't go into. So yeah, look forward to the next season that it's gonna be crazy. Crazy crazy crazy, so. Yeah. And then promise level promise Netherlands. So I watched the first episode Norwest to episodes that originally, and it was like, okay this is good. I'm gonna come back to it. And then I kept seeing little stuff on social media, and I'm like let me let me, let me stop messing around with this show, and then lowering at at C two two at crunchy row, the full four country as to who she was talking. We were talking about it. I'm like, I'm like, don't spoil it. Don't spoil it at shut her up at shut up quickly and some like, now I gotta go. I gotta go watch it. So in one day I finished entire season and I'm like and then well I finished most of the season than that I had to wait that week for the next for the last episode to come out, and I'm just like floored away from this show. Oh my goodness. This show is so amazing. I don't know. I don't know what to say about his show is so good. I'm not gonna spoil this one. I'm not going to bore this. When at all if you have never seen promised never land. What are you doing with your life if you like anime what are? You doing with your life? If you haven't watched promise never land, this show is amazing is so out of the blue off the wall and just the drama of it the suspense of it, it's just it's, so it's an intelligent show on top of it. And I'm just oh my goodness. You get the feels all that stuff. It's has everything. The show has everything promise. Never laying go go that go watch that and may. Yeah. Any plex of America. You did good on that one. You did great on our any place, America's been hitting lately with these shows. Maybe hitting big with these shows lately. I don't know who's on their team. But they're picking some great wants to put out, and then, of course, going into rise of the she'll hero, my man now for me. I love this show so much man like manage show has everything is, is gonna go it has to go down. It's between pro is between reincarnate us line promise never land and rise to she'll hero for anime at a year. I don't care. What you're talking about those three are in life animated year, and it might just go Raza Sheila hero. 'cause they show a so good the storytelling so good. The character Velma is so good. Everything is so good. It's complex. There's drama. There's, there's emotion. It's, it's everything is show is so good. Watch the rise of shoe here arising this year. If you're not watching that, watch it, and, you know, I get everything on crunchy row, so crunchy row. Yeah. May show. So, but I'm ended with I'm not gonna pull anything on on sheet here on just need. Watch that. Yeah. I like where they're going with the show. We we're getting a lot. We learned a lot about reptilian now. And now he's got the little Princess, the Princess, that's actually in line to be the next Queen. She's in the party now. So we got a whole crew. We got a whole set. Now what you won't come up against us. That's sister. The older sister owned rather ship, the older, Princess. She crazy. I want somebody to Mark her so bad. I need somebody to Mark her. But anyway, the last show, I kinda briefly started on was quintessential quintuplets. Yeah. So this shows about this character as really smart guy. He's really smart highschool and but he's broke. And he's trying to take his little sister and to get money. He starts tutoring and come to find out he's supposed to tutored his one girl. But actually he's supposed to tutor. Five girls because they're twins. And they're all not necessarily dumb, but just not interested in being great academically. Yeah. So he has figure out a way to get in the past high school, and that's the story but only watch one episode and I was like, okay, I'm, I'm gonna come back to that, come back to that. But it's kind of a harm and it may you know how they goes. But I think I think, in the end he'll wind up with just wanted to sisters, as when I'm thinking, you know five of them hot. Yes. So cools little show. We're gonna lot of shows now where where there's like this tutor guy disguised, this guy like -tunities girls. It's another show. Any place of America's coming out with pretty soon here where yeah, they're doing that. I wrote about it. It's on the blog. You could check that out. But yeah, that's kind of like the new thing in anime right now. But that's all my shows. I've been watching that's kind of everything. I've been doing anime wise in issue is which still looking too. We have enemies central coming up convention coming up anime Saint Louis coming up. So those two commissions, we got coming up next. So we're doing thing we're here, you know, I'm with you guys. I love you and we're gonna wrap this show. We're gonna rabbit 'cause I gotta go. And pretty sure you've been here for a while you might have to go, but it's been another great episode. And of course, you always get us on Stitcher. He'd get us on tune in app and get us on apple podcast Google play. You can get us on Spotify get us on a lot of platforms. You can go straight to our website with I is enemy pad podcast dot blueberry dot net. And B L, U B, R, Y dot net. You go directly to that. You can subscribe to any of those platforms with Google play. I tunes any that you can subscribe directly on my website with a click of a button. 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Episode 604, recorded 2020-12-07

Blue Lotus Buddhist Temple Podcast

53:47 min | 4 months ago

Episode 604, recorded 2020-12-07

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Episode 259: Bernie Memes are Torah - Dan and Lex

Judaism Unbound

50:39 min | 2 months ago

Episode 259: Bernie Memes are Torah - Dan and Lex

"Support for this episode of judaism. Unbound comes from the family. Jcc in palo alto california whose vision is to be the architect of the jewish future. The oshman's family. Jcc empowers you to experience. Jewish paths toward a life of joy purpose and meaning through innovative jewish learning and wellness programs community building and initiatives to develop the next generation of jewish leaders learn more at www dot palo alto jcc dot org. This is judaism unbound episode. Two hundred fifty nine bernie memes are torah. Welcome back everyone. I'm dan lee benson. And i'm lex roseburg and we are back for another episode. We usually don't do two in a row that's just lacks and may but we are doing it this week because we have a lot to talk about. There's a lot going on in the world and we have a really exciting said of episodes coming up next and we'll talk a little bit about setting all that up so we've got a lot to cover. We really wanted to start off by continuing from where we were last week. And then we want to talk a bit about what's been going on for the last week or so. Which is the transition of the american government and all the ways that that impacts jews and judaism judaism unbound and then we're going to talk a little bit about the episodes that we have coming up in the next series before we do just want to thank everybody for all your support we just last week. So we're not gonna put out a big play here for your financial support will put out a plea for something that we haven't asked for people to do in a longtime which is to write a positive review of judaism unbound on apple podcasts. I tunes or wherever you listen to podcasts. But anyway thank you so much for all your support and for that moral support as well. It's not just that it makes us feel good to see the positive reviews although it does but it's a way to get people to find out about the podcast to you. Don't already know about it. So thanks so much for helping us there. And let's jump into our conversation. I wanted to talk a little bit about last week. We've been talking about philanthropy. I was really excited about our episode last week and some of the thoughts that we had some of the unusual thoughts such as that you should give less money to jewish causes which is not a usual thing to hear from a jewish organization. And i wanted to start off today by talking about something that i saw on facebook. Now i don't want to call out the person. I actually don't know the person who posted this and so if there are listener i apologize for you know disagreeing with you but somebody had put a facebook post online basically asking. How do you figure out how much of your money to give to charity or philanthropy or sadaqa rate and and it's basically like even if you say. Ten percent is that ten percent before taxes. Ten percent after taxes you know. How does your family figure out how much you're going to give. And what person posted that. I give ten percent but it's net of taxes and essential costs such as sending my kids today school because if i gave the ten percent based on the amount before i deducted the day school tuition i literally wouldn't be able to afford to send my kids today school and that just really struck me after we had just had this conversation that we had last week where i felt like i could easily imagine the same comment saying give ten percent before i deduct tuitions and therefore i literally can't afford to send my kids today school now. That would be an interesting post. That would have all kinds of implications but what struck me was. Just the idea that it seemed obvious that of course we have to deduct the expenses of being jewish before we have the gross amount or the net amount that we're going to use to then deduct ten percent for charity from and it just struck me as like weird and off because it felt like the whole like we talked about last week like the whole point of judaism is to get us to give more generously to those who needed a cetera et cetera. And it kind of feels like if we're only doing that with the money that's leftover after we've spent all the money on judaism like that's not. That shouldn't be what judaism is for from that person's perspective. I mean i don't want to speak for them. And i'd also don't know them but like one of those pieces feels like choice and the other sort of feels like an automatic. That isn't even a choice. Like my kids are going to go to day school and of course both of them are choices the amount and the direction of philanthropic gifts that anybody gives it. That's the choice. And where one's kids go to. School is a choice although we should name like for some people. It's not a choice if you if you really don't have access to that kind of money Lots of people. That's why public schools exist but it is not an automatic given that people who are able or jews were able go to jewish day school and more than that. I feel compelled to say this as somebody whose parents like actually did the effort of looking at different schools in the they went to the public school in my town growing up they went to the jewish day school right down the road. They went to a different private school. That was not religiously affiliated. I ended up going to that third one to the private school that is not religiously affiliated and they weighed various pros and cons and they decided not to the jewish day. School that's not a reflection of them. Like caring less about my jewishness or something. Too many people are willing to say like. Oh you just got to send the kids to jewish day school. That's like a fundamental fact of what it means to care about like passing on judaism to the future. That's not clear to me. We tell the story that sort of that's how you are most likely to yield jewish adults. And maybe that's the case right but is that value of rs. Jewish engaged adults post childhood like is that value of ours so deep that we are going to put aside other values including you know. Sadaqa like charitable giving. That's a serious question. My answer is at the very least it should be maybe not maybe were not gonna make that prioritization and most. I think i leaned towards maybe jewish day. School isn't right for families where it would mean not giving philanthropic giving which i wanna be clear like. I'm not saying everybody has so much money that they can do. Both i'm saying specifically there's lots of people who can't and that's that calls causing us either to have jewish day schools that are less expensive or differently structured or for people to make some different kinds of decisions. What would happen in the world in which it was super clear that i could never post something like that because the understanding of everybody would-be i mean. Let's say it was a jewish law that you have to give ten percent of your gross income to philanthropy and therefore you have ninety percent to work with and if you look at your finances and you said well. I can't afford to send my kids today. School in that situation. You wouldn't be able to say. Well then i'm going to give to charity because that would be a specific jewish law like i'm talking about a community that observes jewish law. So what would happen now. I actually think that most people in those communities would jump to the conclusion in the very next statement. Well if that was the situation then of course philanthropists would have to come in like we'd have to have you know. Wealthy people come in and subsidized day schools. They're saying that now. We couldn't imagine that the answer would be for example. Then i guess we can't afford to half day school so let's not have day schools or that the answer would be than day school. Tuition is going to have to get a lot cheaper and well. How could we make it a lot. Cheaper while you'd have to offer less jewish studies our for example or something like that or you would say well. I guess we can't afford to have a fulltime total immersion alternative to public school like public schools. Free right. we're already paying taxes. It's it's free to the extent that you've already paid for it and so let's move the whole jewish education world to a post school. You know an after school reality which is more or less what it was when my parents. At least we're growing up. There was almost no such thing as a jewish day. School very very few people went to a jewish day school but there was a five day a week after school program. And there's all kinds of arguments against all that. But what i want to note is that judaism is too expensive. The jewish community has allowed judaism to become too expensive. One possibility is to say if judaism is going to be this expensive it campy right right. We're going to have to make changes to our understanding of judaism. Judaism ask of us in order to make it something. That is affordable for the average jew. Or let's say for the below average because we wanted it to be affordable to the vast majority of jews. If not all the jews what does that mean. When be we have to redefine kosher food in order to make it affordable maybe we have to redefine what a jewish education means such that. It is achievable in an affordable way. Because i don't get the world that allows the cost of being jewish to go up and up and up and up which it is and then allow people to say. And the only way that i can afford to participate in this world is to effectively reduce my giving to those who are in great need. It gets to a point where it feels like well. What's the point of that. I wanna keep breaking this down. Because i think you're making such good points. I mean what. I what i think. We opened up last week by kind of explicitly saying you know give less to jewish causes and we said that to ourselves. That's how we started that dot the both you and i feel that if we looked at our charitable giving we've probably given more than we would in the abstract want to to specifically jewish organizations and less than we want to sort of broader kinds of philanthropic projects. You know. let's go to that conversation like there's so much framing around you know sending jewish day school versus not. I don't hear many people talking about like the active wonderful things that come with sending somebody to a public school. Or even you know in my case sending somebody to a private school but a school where i was one of the only jews and i've made this claim in the past and i really firmly believe it to my core because of various things about my own personality. I believe that. If i went to jewish day school i would be less engaged in jewish life today as a thirty year old. I can't prove that to anyone. I don't know it for sir. I am a person who has always liked being different from my surroundings and so being at a school where i was one of the only jews made me like being jewish and made me feel proud of it. That's not. I'm not saying that's everybody but it's a meaningful number of people that that are that way and so if i had been in a space where being jewish didn't make me different from anybody around me. I think i might have gone and gotten really passionate about something else. And that's neither good nor bad. But i just wanna bring it up because like in saying before like i did. Don't go to jewish day school. That can sound like i'm just sort of crapping on jewish organizations for no reason but like at the end of the day right like there's people like me and others who feel that they're very jewishness. They're very judaism traces two realms that we would call sort of not jewish like milwaukee like not that not that jewish city. Oh i went to a school. That was a jewish day school. Oh and like we hammer home. These assumptions that. Oh that's sort of a less jewish terrain to say delib in wisconsin ceo or the school is less jewish. Or whatever all to say i. I like what we started to do last week. By saying you know that jewish giving that a choice driven by jewish things whether that's values or sensibilities whatever is specifically to give less to jewish identified institutions. Like we're really not jokic when we say that like we mean it and i think that a lot of people actually feel that way that like drawing on the very judaism that they hold dear. They feel compelled to support. Things that are universal. Yeah it connects to another point. Which is you know when you're a nonprofit organization. There are often these websites and other kind of things that kind of look at. How efficient is the nonprofit organization and one of the questions. It's basically how much of your organization's money are you putting into fundraising. And there's some rule of thumb. I think it's less than fifteen percent or twenty percent that at least eighty percent eighty cents on the dollar that you take in should be going to the program that your organization runs and not to the raising of more money and i kind of think about looking with that lens to judaism itself and to say how much of the investment in judaism is going to the goals of judaism will have to do with making the world a better place and things of that nature and it connects to something that we've about before and i'm sure we're going to talk about again which is just as question of synagogue dudes for example and i've actually been thinking about it unethical level recently as well and saying that the basic model i. I'm sure i've said this before. But the basic model that a synagogue runs on is the business model of a gym. Which means that you rely on all these people who are willing to pay monthly dues or the annual dues who don't actually participate in the in the day to day workings of the organization because if everybody who paid gym membership dues showed up. There wouldn't be enough machines to serve them so the gym relies on the idea. That people actually are not participating but they feel this need that they should participate in at. That need is enough that they're willing to pay for it. The experience of the people who do participate. Who do go to the gym. Every day is being subsidized by the people who pay but don't go every day and that's a business model for a business of a gym. I don't like the idea that judaism is operating in that business model right. I don't like the idea that we have an expectation that people who are not participating should pay a lot of money. And i don't like the idea that the people who participate are participating in something that is so expensive that they actually can't afford to pay for it and therefore depend on the subsidies of others whether those others are people making philanthropic gifts or people who for whatever reason are willing to pay these dues. But that don't actually participate in it. I'm looking for judaism that everybody who participates pays. Nobody who doesn't participate pays even if they want to. They're welcome to but we don't need the money from people who don't participate. The money that comes from the people who do participate is enough and what that means that. You're going to have to offer a really good experience for participating. Hopefully it's going to be such a good experience that generates word of mouth and the so that more people want to participate in pay that becomes a completely different economic model for judaism. I actually want to put an ethical thumb on that scale and to say that. That's actually a better form of judaism and it's a form of judaism that i would prefer and that's a lot of rethinking that has to go on but i think it does flow from some of this stuff. Yeah i wanna go in a weird direction. Josh off is a person who exists new senator from georgia. I'm bringing down. Because i think he's an interesting case. Study for what we're talking about. We're asking questions about what it is to be endured jewish right so going back to the philanthropic question. It's like is the jewish thing to use my frame of last week to give to projects where the recipients are jewish like is that what jewish giving is or on the other hand is jewish giving something that describes the process of giving that would be in line with jewish values or is it just about the fact that somebody is a jew and they give to whatever they give than is jewish. Giving like. that's a question we asked last week. Jon ossoff i bring up because he is jewish. He it look. His mom is not jewish. his father is but he did Sort of a conversion at some point in his childhood so he's jewish and the question then is from my perspective. Okay there's all these pieces is out in the world articles. Whatever about jon stewart's that's cool like what. What do we do that. And it's like okay. He actually has a high magnitude of what i would term particularist judaism and universalist judaism. Like if you were to ask. Questions of like odd is a person member of jewish organizations synagogue gore. Did they go to the summer camps the youth groups like john actually did many of those things like he was part of A jewish program called ghar. Thirty-six shout out billy planner if you're listening and sometimes do you run that program. He has many sort of tangible ways. Been connected to atlanta's jewish community for a while so check those boxes. If the questions we're asking are about like is the person quote unquote supporting jewish life or involved in jewish life like he's actually a very clear yes in a way that not all politicians are always very clear. Yes and though. I wanna talk about the other side all the universalist side. So i of i'll say like end of the day john. It's not like my perfect politician. Not saying this. Because i think he's like the ideal but like he is somebody on a universalism. He clearly in all his speeches. You know calls on. Universal values talks about dr king. Even though dr king you know not jewish he's in he's representing the state of georgia. Where martin luther. King has a huge presence. Historically he has forged connections across many lines of difference notably and importantly he and the other senator who knew in georgia. Senator warnock very consciously looked to messaging of universalism and making bridges across difference across racial difference across religious difference. He checks all those boxes to and i want a name that there are a lot of jews who in a non trivial real valid authentic sense. When asked you know what makes them. Jewish they're going to go to those much more than they are going to go to like. I go to synagogue on russia. Poor or i have a seder with my family. They may also say that they may not. I'm bringing this up because it seems like we almost have to say you know. Yes jon ossoff lives. Jewish ideals and values indies universal ways and also by the way we have to say this other piece about how he supports jewish causes and is connected to the institutions. Like by the way that's also because there's other people out there right. Let's take doug emhoff's or something they like people who do check the universalist boxes but don't necessarily check the more particular boxes of jewish identity. And i think we spend a lot of time. You know debating whether those people are truly jewish we can even talk about you know. Bernie sanders conversations. We had way back in the day like it's not it's to me. It's a silly question whether bernie sanders is like truly do just like he aesthetically and patently on his face. It's just so clearly. A sense of historical jewish experience is embedded into who he is but we still have those debates. We don't debate about you. Know the people who are synagogue goers why well there's a lot of interesting jewish angles on the new administration one of them that you know is related to what you're talking about has been this Doug emhoff's daughter. Ella emhoff was on this list. That the four hundred. Jewish newspaper does every year of the fifty most stunning. Exactly what they call it. Most influential juice. Our good friend penelope was on the list and that sense i celebrate this list but also half on this list and they recently had to publish a little sort of a retraction that said i guess. It's only forty nine top jews this year because didn't quite rejected. I wish they would sort of a sort of because they indicate that she actually doesn't consider herself jewish from a lineal standpoint. she and jonah for their father's jewish and their mothers are not jewish and john eyesafe considers himself jewish and l. a. m. half does not consider herself jewish. And there are jews out there that you know that. Consider neither of them jewish and they're out there. They consider both of them jewish to a certain extent. And there's people. I'm sure that we'll take a look ups conversion and find it wanting and therefore say that. He's not jewish even though he says he is you know. And there's there's so much debate about this but at the very least it feels like somebody's own right to self-determination whether or not they consider themselves. Jewish is an important piece of this and yet the forward and other publications didn't check in advance. You know just kind of assumed that if we say a person is patrilineal jewish meaning. Their father is jewish. And we're trying to be really open and inviting then. Of course we consider them jewish so they're jewish so let's celebrate it as opposed to first checking with them to see if they themselves consider themselves. Jewish which is interesting like it feels to me like it's a new. I mean i think that part of it is that didn't even occur to them that somebody who is jewish by their outside or definition in other words that that they whoever's making the judgment judges them as jewish that somehow that person would only be grateful. You know like there's no that that person would say actually. I'm not and that. Seems like an important new wrinkle in this. It's a huge wrinkle. And i want to say some things directly because i felt really strongly about these articles and not. Everybody has to agree with me but i feel really strongly about a lot of this especially from the axis of interfaith relationships. An interfaith families ella half is not jewish. I feel that that is a factual statement. I actually don't think it's an opinion. I understand others would say it's an if she does not consider herself jewish. And when asked are you. Jewish says no l. m. hof isn't jewish. Now i don't even really wanna bring this up. Because i feel like it plays into orthodox hands there's also the fact that from a traditional orthodox understanding of who is she's also not jewish. Now the reason. I don't wanna bring that up is because there are lots of other people like john asaf like others who have a jewish father who identifies jewish and. I don't want people to listen to this podcast and like come away with a takeaway that those people are in jewish no the takeaway is people have the ability to define themselves. That's some naive utopian. Wild opinion like people have that ability and by the way another piece is the reform movements definition of who is a jew would also consider 'em half jewish by reform movements definition. You can have one jewish parent whatever gender they are. If you're raised jewish you're jewish but l. emhoff wasn't raised as jewish and so from the four movements perspective she would not be so orthodoxy. Reform actually agree for once on this point and yet we still have people out there in the world making the claim that half despite the fact that she does not identify herself as jewish is still jewish home. This is something that involves a healthy dose and in my view a majority dose of self identification. And that means that we don't get to play the game of odor. No i'm half. Of course like i just mean that we should be inclusive. It's not inclusive like the word inclusive matters and do taking steps to make jewish life actually inclusive matters. And you know we've talked on the show about how it also needs to be more than its inclusion. The people that are being included need to be at the center of the room not to sort of welcomes to the room and we need to be going to their spaces. It's not inclusion to say. Hey a bunch of people who actively don't see themselves as part of this space. You're welcome to be in our space i. It's it's a kind of like colonialism. It's like you're my thing even though you don't think you're my thing you're my thing and you know that article in the forward it concluded with just from my perspective. This really atrocious condescending paragraph. That was like hey ella. If you ever decide to feel differently like the jewish open to you and contact us at the forward. Can you imagine if if somebody of any religious background. I mean christian obviously problematic. But let's say anybody of any religious tradition even minority tradition. Let's see a muslim publication or buddhist publication or a new publication closes by saying. Hey jewish person. You're welcome to leave your welcome to come to our thing. That would be a huge problem. I would stand up and say what are you doing and like we're going and doing that to this person honestly to the people who want to be welcome to spend so much time trying to welcome and who aren't it's really insulting to say like. Oh yes we. We want to claim this person who's not even asking to be jewish but patrilineal jews. Who aren't famous. Who spend a lot of time being told. Oh but you're not really jewish like we gotta be better. I'm flashing back to robert mannequins episode where he talked about this and how people even we haven't even talked about to jewish parents. People that to me that starts to get even more complicated. But i am in fact hinting that if somebody has to jewish parents and they don't identify themselves as part of the jewish project that they also should be respected for that approach other layers. Come up there will admit but also some things are the same in that situation. You know i'm thinking about lenny bruce's famous routine about you. Know who what's jewish and how he talked about. Count basie and ray charles jewish right and he was trying to blur that line or you know. He was saying other things which we might find problematic defining jewish or not jewish. But just this idea that jewish and not. jewish doesn't only have to do with who your parents were and maybe in the future won't wounded all. I mean look. I've been advocating for this idea that if we really are on this next wave of being jewelry. We're on the cusp of this. Next version of being jewish greenberg caused the thirty era etc. That i fundamentally believe that they will be a new definition of is a jew. Just as there has been in each of the previous eras and i believe that the version of that definition that makes most sense given how the world has changed as a self-determined definition in other words. Somebody is jewish. Who says they are and that is going to be problematic for certain people and right one is that there are going to be people who say they are. They're already are people who say they are jewish and have no jewish ancestry and did not go through formal conversion and there are a lot of jews out there who say well. I don't want to accept that that. That i feel that that trivializes and by the way i'm not necessarily saying they're wrong. I mean we can go deep into that question. I think it's an important question. And then by the same token there are people who have to jewish parents who may easily say. I'm not jewish and who may not have said anything and in the case of somebody who has not said anything then the question is can we call somebody. Jewish who has to jewish parents who has not said anything you know. Are they presumptively. Jewish or they presumptively non-jewish and i think that bernie sanders is an interesting case. Study in that not that he has said that he doesn't consider himself jewish in fact he's he does consider himself jewish but as we talked about five years ago when we started the podcast. There are a lot of people who are saying well. He's not the right kind of jewish. He's not that jewish or he's not the kind of jewish that i think is is the right way and so therefore they were kind of had a claim on bernie that he wasn't being jewish right. I'm just thinking. So much about these bernie memes. That have been going around since the inauguration where he's like sitting there with his legs crossed his big mittens folded over in his in his big coat. And it's kind of like. He's sitting in a posture. That just screams disgruntle jewish man and there have been two kinds of memes. That have emerged from this right. One is the me and putting bernie in all these frames from a movie. That are kind of funny. Like my favorite was the one where he's sitting on the jedi council and star wars but the other set of memes. Are these memes. That are kind of like a jewish setting and they're more verbal picture of bernie with something going on behind him. They're just showing the picture of bernie sitting that way and saying something like well. When i hear that synagogue is called for seven forty five am i come at seven forty five. Am and you know what those memes are suggesting is that there's something out bernie sanders that is just so inherently an overflowing lee jewish that we absolutely recognize that guy even if he doesn't do traditionally jewish things very often and at the same time. I'm a little bit aware of the danger of putting somebody into a category that they don't choose to be put in not necessarily in this case jewish. But i mean you know bernie. Sanders has seen the inside of minion for many many years. I don't think that that's really you know. And that's part of the joke but it also feels like it's a little bit of a dangerous joke. I love everything. I thought you were going to go a different direction with your closing piece. So i'll go that direction. But i also love the bernie. Means the mittens. I posted far too many of them this past week or two the problematic nece. I thought you were going to bring up. Is that the very thing that we sort of. Look out with bernie. No the thing that makes me more. Because that bernie is so clearly jewish that very thing like you and i are kind of Advocating or at least sort of diagnosing that the direction of judaism is such that like a lot of people who are not that aesthetic are jews and more and more of those people who don't have that aesthetic whose backgrounds don't trace to europe who might have those ashkenazi associated patterns whatever like more and more of those people are just more and more of the people with bernie's mannerisms don't identify as jews. There are lots of people who are descended from one or two or three or four jewish grandparents. Who don't identify as jews. And by the way. When i say don't enterprise jus i actually mostly take that as a synonym for aren't jews. There are lots of those people who have a lot of the mannerisms anyway i. I'm thinking of a weird direction. Probably because we're about to be talking about bible about torah in these next bunch of episodes. But i'm thinking about a sort of specific kind of debate that ends up being important to my life but like there's characters in the bible i'm thinking specifically of pora moses's wife and jeff throw his dad and father in law who on the surface are not. Jews are not israelites but in later commentaries in mid rushing. It is suggested that they converted at some point in between the lines. And i have spent a lot of my time arguing with these mid rushes basically because it's the same issue right. It's people in effect with good intentions. I think these mid russians were meant to convey like see poorer jetro. They're part of the team like they're part of the israel like group like even though they were born to a different group we truly see them as part of us and to them and to the hawk. Do people who disagree with i would say. Let's ask if they want to be do we can't ask before we can't ask jeff through but like is it actually sort of unabashedly positive to claim an ambiguous identity person as jewish. It's certainly respectful to the people who want to be considered israelites or jews. But from my perspective support jeff throw like death row was supposed to be like a priest like a high priest of the midnights. Like i don't think it makes sense to presume that at a certain stage of life he just up. I'm not that i'm israelite. Now and support is daughter. That i don't know what she would say like. Maybe a more interesting case but like at the very least. It seems problematic to assume that people want to be part of the group if they are participating in the group like so many people who are not jewish today love spending time in jewish environments love spending time with their jewish friends love sharing jewish observances. And you know what they don't want to be juice and they're not jews and they're not looking to convert. We need to be able to balance the really good impulse to say yes. Judaism the boundaries of it our name unbound boundaries of it needs to expand such that people who may not have been perceived as jewish are jewish. But we can't be so lazy about that that we sort of apply it to everybody who is adjacent to jews at all to the point that it. Then there's almost like sort of a self pitying thing about it where it's like. Oh why would anybody want to hang out with us if they're not actually us themselves. There's like a way in which we think jewishness. Judaism are like not appealing. That only the people that are us want to be part of it. Those mid russia's have kind of one in certain spaces like there are certain people that like if i said is not jewish or was not an israelite. There are many spaces where just like immediately. It is ingrained in folks like oh well. She converted even though they know that she didn't in the basics of the text of the hebrew bible that that mid russia's sort of been centered. Plenty of other mid russia's are not centered. I'm curious wide that one one and what we can do to say. Maybe it doesn't need to continue as the situation of the jews changes and jews take on the ability to erase the identities of others by certain actions. That could seem innocuous when you are powerless person. Then your story is flipped. And now you have to live in the world in which you do have power including the power to be very careful about who you claim as part of your own group and start calling them and checking so before we move onto our you know just to make a connection to our next topic. I feel like there's something about this change of administration that we should at least note. Because i think i've told the story on the package before. I think we've talked about it but you know when the last change of administration happened we had been around for less than a year and we had been planning this whole series of episodes on women and feminism which we actually ended up doing earlier this year which was going to coincide with the inauguration of the first woman president hillary clinton and that didn't happen and so even just that example is just an example of how everything kind of went sideways in terms of what we were expecting and we don't have that first woman president but we do have the first woman vice president. Her husband is a jew. And i just wonder whether there's anything that we want to talk about in terms of this new world in which we're living justice is easier to pursue to quote you know a commandment just as easy to pursue when the lead enforcers and public officials are interested in pursuing that justice. I am not convinced at the previous administration was by any definition of what i consider justice. And so what i'm excited about. Is we have in power. A set of people who i think are much more conducive towards achieving that. What i don't want us to fall for is the idea that we can be complacent and that this this shift is transition was kind of the win. There's notable wins already. There's executive orders that on day one made people's lives better. And i look forward to many more of those. You know i'm really thrilled. And like all the representation pieces you talked about are important to you know people who are jewish the second vice president although the second gentlemen sorry second gentleman thank you. I haven't heard second lady very much but here we are second gentleman. So that's and also you know the first person the first try faith household is commonly harris and doug emhoff have a try and maybe arguably with 'em maybe like a quad faith hindu christian jewish and agnostic or none to us. You know casper. Kyle language any. Maybe it's a quad faith family in a sense because of l. I don't know that's a notable thing to in a world where we're talking about. How boundaries of religion are shifting and changing as much as that first person with hindu jr. Who is part of the equation that i ju- who is part of a coupling that is in the white house. That's it's all of importance. And i'm also holding that. The issues that are demonstrated by george floyd or by climate change or by goat on the list of inequalities of economic like we still have the meant steps to take. I've been thinking about this last few days my analogy is to somebody being rushed to the hospital at death's door. You know the training in an emergency room is is always this idea of. Abc that you have to check. Make sure there's an airway. Make sure the person is breathing or you know. Help them if they're not already and circulation like make sure. The blood is circulating. And if not do cpr and make you gotta get those three things into place airway breathing circulation before you. You try to figure out what actually happened to the person because they're gonna die if you don't do that and so there's a stage of just kind of preventing death and then there's the stage where you actually have to figure out what went wrong and fix it. The question is how long to have the emergency room. Sta- be before you know you really got to work on the underlying cause and that i think is really challenging for me to think about because i definitely feel this sense of immense relief that my loved one is in the er and is not going to die tomorrow. But then i i fundamentally also wonder what this ultimately says about about judaism like i think. These are things that like. I feel like have we been able to talk about everything that we should have talked about over the last four years because some of the things have felt like extremely urgent and extremely high stakes. Even things like anti semitism right. I mean i think there's ways that i see anti-semitism now that are very different than how i saw it for years ago but i'm not sure that i was in a position to think very thoughtfully about it over the last four years because it's just been so frightening and so now i feel like hey we better not forget to talk about into think about anti-semitism just because it might be for certain period of time less in our face and that's just one example of of lots of examples of things that i don't only mean things that touch on jews. Is there a way that we can now feel free and we must talk about them even though they may seem less. Urgent nominally must talk about though. Must do things about them and so. I feeling though that we're going to have to push ourselves to do that like we're going to have to remind ourselves to do that because like you say. The the concern is that with the pressure in the fear reduced to complacency the other thing that i just want to know about about judaism in back to tying something about what we were saying earlier about. Claiming people are sort of forcing people into a jewish identity. It brings me back to this question of which is actually a question that we talked about early on in the podcast. Like what is judaism. That judy has jewishness or the jewish stuff is something that actually is able to be contributed into the larger conversation. Some version of what. It means to be somebody. That's deeply engaged with the jewish stuff such that they can carry that in to the public square and help america by the way in some ways like bernie that they could do that without having to necessarily claim or have an identity as it you be thrust upon them and that feels really hard to talk about. Because it's something that we i think haven't seen yet but it's something that i aspire to try to figure out. Well it's an interesting thing to bring up because the torah the bible is a thing that was you know. Distinctly israel editor distinctly jewish that a whole slew of people relate to regularly without identifying themselves as jews or israelites namely christians even non christians who are functioning in society that traces its heritage in many ways to the bible. And so what you're describing doesn't feel that far fetched to me. It actually feels very much the precedent that like. Okay so there's jewish material in in one case stories and texts and whatever that make up the bible those found a way to be relevant to a world of people a literal world of people. It's actually relevant to much of the world. The vast majority of whom ninety nine point eight percent are not jews. So if that's the case all the more so call home air to get very talmudic for a second all the more so let's find ways in which you know. Jewish historical facts are jewish. When i mean by that is like things that a lot of share because of the last few hundred years of history so you know experiencing immense trauma of the holocaust understanding what it is to be oppressed and marginalized being largely a wandering kind of people that has moved in drastic numbers from country to country having that source material. And i know it's not a literal source in the same way that like a torah thing is a written source but having that be cherished and understood by the world and having jews be the ones who see it as our job to channel that out into world not just to jews that absolutely feels attainable. There are real elements of jewish experience. That can teach and can inform and can contribute to a better world. How do we intangible way do that. As opposed to saying we're not quite as worried about are literal safety as jews. Now once you get an episodes this is as opposed. I don't think this as opposed to thinking you know. We're not so worried about our literal safety jews because that was most threatened under trump. Now we can sort of take a break until the next moment of deep terror threat that's not the takeaway i want. Truthfully that's not what i think people are having. I actually am not pessimistic about this. We just have to actually go from. The mental space of judaism has been useful and can teach and jewish. History can teach. Let's do the teacher as you were talking. There's running through the various jewish holidays and the two holidays that happened in the spring. Purim and passover happened to be that. I think the two holidays most tied to a biblical quote historical event and by the way let raises this question of like everybody says every holidays. They tried to kill us they failed. Let's eat actually. It's not every holiday. It's really only two of them. Well three of them throw hundred and that's not biblical so they really only two holidays. That are from the bible. The from the books that were canonized in the bible that are about a story and that we have a holiday. All sort of built upon that that story and They're coming up and it wasn't. Except if you believe that you know the hand of god was involved but we have this series of episodes coming up that we just thought it would be fun to do. A deep dive into the bible from all sorts of different perspectives. Read it from historian standpoint from an archaeological standpoint from a way to live your life standpoint and to offer all kinds of ways of looking at this one tax is really not one texas many many tax and just to kind of spend some time with people who spend a lot of their time really mining this material and looking at it in different ways and ultimately you know we'll see where we are in many weeks when we do a debrief on on that series but i have this feeling that one of the problems is that everybody tends to look at the bible through their own lens. It's kind of like that story of the all the different people who you know can't see but they're all touching and elephant and one of them things it's all trunk and one of them thinks it's all tale etc because the only Really see the part that you're you feel the part that you're feeling if you can't see the whole thing and it may be that there's one of those perspective that really is the right one but for me. It's always been that. I appreciate reading from all these different perspectives in and letting them all kind of similar together and generate thinking about the ongoing relevant to the bible. So i'm hoping that this experience will sort of be one that we can share with others in and let's see what happens from it. I'm really with you on that. I'm excited about this unit. And the last piece that i would say is one ongoing thread that will be talking about here and there is the question of sort of the torah. The bible capital letters versus torah. Which when. i say that. I'm retiring to the idea that like yes there. Is this set of books. The torah this set of books hebrew bible. But there's also the idea that like people have their torah and have their their ways of teaching. And i'm curious especially given that you know we mentioned the bernie means right like i actually believe that there is torah in those bernie means. There's deep teaching that there is deep wisdom in those silly but true memes that suggestion. Oh bernie sanders is. This quintessential kind of jewishness is. This lived embodied commitment to social justice alongside aesthetic of a grumpy but a caring older person. Like i actually think that those memes et cetera. a kind of torah. And i'm excited in this unit to have it pushed me and push us so consider like in. What ways is the torah. One set of torahs. That can help us. Think about all sorts of other ways in which there is deep wisdom in our world even in the. We hope you've enjoyed these conversations. Jewish philanthropy episode has been a fun transitional moment that is neither fully in our previous unit and not fully in our next unit. Either queue up the debates about whether like chabad is part of the previous week or part of the next week. I had some great conversations with a bar mitzvah student about that. And we hope you'll stick around the future ones but if you do if you don't whatever it is we love it when you send us your thoughts your questions about anything. You've listened to recently and you can do that in a bunch of ways. I you can head to our facebook page. Judaism unbound second. You can go to our twitter or instagram. All of those are judaism unbound for the handles. No spaces or anything third. There is our judaism unbound dot com website and last. But not least you can hit us up via email at dan. Judaism unbound dot com or alexa. Judaism abound dot one last plug for you to submit those amazing views in itunes in apple. Podcasts and google podcasts. 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AWTY 74 - Burger King 69 (Darker than Black)

Are Weeb There Yet?

1:05:42 hr | 1 year ago

AWTY 74 - Burger King 69 (Darker than Black)

"You've got a pretty rough Hello and welcome to are we there yet. An exploration and education and anime. I'm your anime idiot Patrick Dugan. I'm an anime anime expert. Dana Hollander and Bernie McCullough. You're whiter than anime. Snow contractually obligated superhero. I mean the that first piece peace has been established knowledge. I mean listen to my name. It screams I burn the sun. I think all three three of US though. Yeah we can't really get around that that's why we watch the sun. It hurts US hurts my bones. uh-huh oh God it's a deal learn to someone. Yeah you need. You need a lead shield to go outside. I'll take one anyone's offering. So what do we have going on this week. Today we got one of my picks which means convoluted and dumb. I love it aired because yes that's usually the case. I have to pay some out looking at the list of like like what childrearing to watch trump. We can pick this show in the species out a bit. Here's a chill show. Here's a dumb show. Here's a fun show. Here's a dump. Shell I gotta I gotTa manage your expectations. -tations too many in a row years podcast. I can't can't afford that risk weird because most of the shows you show me make me WanNa kick you off. Maybe you shouldn't have started a podcast about. Some of them are fun. They're they're all fun for me. That's fair that just big asterisk fun for one person anyway as you can tell from the title of this episode. We're watching darker than black. I don't know what this is and I'm scared. Yeah no this is advanced dark supreme darkness. No I don't I've heard the title but I don't. I don't know anything. Sorry hang on Marshall's attacking his own ass. Let me out of the room. He scream at his own. They get gone yet. Ragle a cat. Oh no he's a little bit too little well okay. He's there there. Well we'll we'll hear more from our our feline correspondent our field reporter and we come back to Marshall in the Field Marshall But yet no one but Brendan knows what the show is. Yeah and that's a classic. The bad omen. I'm surprised because like anyone I do know who knows the show ruin joys Talks Highly Ali about it and like I love it in front of my love but then it seems it seems like a good show but it just seems like no one really talks about it or knows about it but Dana. Like you've heard of it but not much not much more than that so it's just like it's interesting how this just seems like fly under a lot of people's radars because I think it'd be wildly popular but maybe not maybe we'll find out why it isn't but wildly popular. What year did this come out? Oh Aw will you give me the information and research on a podcast. You talk about the show that you brought to us you know I know nothing nothing about anything. Two thousand seven became okay so and I'm just going to go on a limb here and say that mangoes probably like ten years earlier earlier than that. Aaron wait a minute. What the mega came out to nine? What backwards yeah? Maybe it was just an anime I and then became a mango. Because then there is a sequel series Interesting but I liked it senior secrets about all right. Well we are watching episodes one to end five. Let's turn off those lights. Get it super dark dark. Viewing midnight run scared Lucy I am sick right now. I don't know if there was a fever dream or if I actually watched this what is happening. My brain is melting. Lv someone got the Good Sonic Brain Vibes Solano awesome. Sonic is an entertaining thing to have running through my head just nonsense a year. Starting out guess who likes the show does run all the bad. Yeah not surprising you this week folks This isn't even one of my bad shows. This genuinely enjoying this is why I take badge. Shouldn't on so I'm like all shit on it together. Then sorry I love you but I don't know what happens. That's an hour of my wife life at his reign forever. I mean there's more there's a twenty seven episodes at a sequel series. SPINOFF manigault if you want and they will never be uncovered by this ever again. We're locking it up with the architect Calvin and just how piloted away. That's my contract by watching these three episodes so I agree to never watch it well. Let's get okay discuss. Let's let's Gush so Dr to the black episode. One opens with a girl standing in a lake with a telescope looking at them stars. And I'll never touchdown upon again until fifteen years later. I can't it's a yeah it's a long con and then we cut to do in a suit running around on top of rooftops and the cops are chasing after him down below on on the street and then when it gets to a rooftop he stops and looks seeing if you jump or not and the cops run up on top Corum. pull out the guns Gotcha poke. And he's like Kuku cool but what if any makes one of the cops start floating away and then he starts floating away and he returned home planet he's Pucci and if series done ravin up and as he's glowing eyes are glowing buys glowing blue. And he'll it just floats away. And and one of the greatest down to the people on the ground and Shit. He's a contractor and a French agents aright rat cool cool cool concepts concepts great good. He hit a packet of cigarettes in his pocket in a big old Baghdad. Tell you it's French. He put on a beret and laughed as he fool us with a and the detective starts following him saying always got a the power or he's at gravity nullification powers and to shoot them on sight. So little explanation. We'll get to it contractors. Have superpowers there. There you go. That's just the name they gave him in this series over the guy in the suit lands on the rooftop and when he lands healing rolls over so for the been do card. I counted this as sitting on top of a rooftop. I knew this typically for heist walls. No I'll give you that okay. 'CAUSE I got big go with that one so I'm taking it so we get the Frenchman in the suit sitting on the rooftop and it's kind of tough and puffing after using its powers and takes his ring finger snaps in half. It's like Oh no takes us patriots snaps in half. Oh no hated that house bad time had by all go it introduced to the show. Sound sound was bad. Hated the sound of him like stretching his finger even more than the crunch it was like raining to get there and then we just hear voice about an hour. He's like That's you let your price contract. That's rough body is free now looking around the guy in the suits these as little ghost e face caller specter coming out of a bucket of water. And he's like Oh fuck. I've been made inserts running an answer. We see a bad ass. Tuxedo mask show up and he wraps this grappling hook thing and he's got like a dagger attached to the wire and he's just asking where here it is And the guy and the girl has it whereas it he's basically about man he's a poorer demand and then we see a girl with her hands in water. I think she sounds like the cops are coming. She's a doll. They're able to look through spectra. which was that little thing and she can look through Spector's through water? It's there's a Lotta stuff here. I'm sorry I wish at any point. Any of this was explained the actual taxed of I mean I got the I mean not in this part like in the second episode house like alright context clues piece together. I like shows that take a little effort because I don't do any of my own free time anyway. The Guy Sees Info dump everything except the nation's Info dump all the bureaucratic bullshit of government but not the super powers. No one has any context context for the guy in the suit the French Asian. He's like no. You need me alive likely I can help you out. You've got to say you got a lot and the guy in the mask is like Yeah L. U. Contractors say that you just WanNa live like that's your only priority that's most people's priority like I don't feel like that's exclusive to contractors and we see unlike grab the guys handing is like trying to crush it and we hear some. We hear that voice from off camera against like no you've got to keep them alive and cuts to the detective. The chief driving along we see a star fall in the sky And I'm one of the detectives calls the chief and tells her that like the star just went down and which is when it contractor dies star falls but contractors lives are tied to the stars so yes the gas thing I've Ever uh-huh I legitimately believed the creator of the series was just like an astrology major or Shami major in college because there's no reason for any of this stuff to be tied to only Dr Death. There's literally no relayed after watching all of this series and I love it but there's no reason it's tied to stars great to establish two seconds in the to show and then we get this big Info about the hell's those gate and contractors in dolls. Basically Shit Happen One day. No one knows why in a big explosion happened. They quarantined it and the giant gate. Around the corner Hell's gate and after that explosion happened contractors people with power and dolls solas vessels can connect with spirits showed up and bats the plot this is like this is like Ergo proxy 'cause Big Wall also like attack on Titan because big and also also like it seems like. Everything's fine on the outside and spoilers for attack on Titan. Everything's fine on the outside I love. Nhl Village so yeah. I deeply enjoy the show. I forgot how convoluted is right. Can I also Mentioned 'cause we talked about Hell's Gate Being in There's two gates ones hell's gate in Japan and there's also the unfortunately titled Heaven's Gate In America. I'm sure in two thousand seven they're like hey heaven's gate should. Should we do a cursory google to make sure this doesn't mean anything else. Like Nah right. Now we're good. No actual people died from this nine was the big deal. So there's a heaven and Hell's asking and we're the opening song which hey bad not crazy about any bad over it. I'm so sorry wrong wrong. It's a minute math so long. Yeah I mean there's a reason. I skipped the other to come back to the police station and causing a breakdown. Found out the guy in the suit. the French Gravity guy was Louis and find out. He's dead so Tuxedo. Maciel apparently grips too and they say he was like a French secret. OPS BLACK OPS agent sort of like secret Investment could get Tori team. Why am I choosing words? I can't say there's other working I mean that's you on this show any character should so they say like oh Louise Dead but the only thing we found when we did the autopsy is he had two broken fingers but but we have no other reason why he's dead so it's like I question right if if that's the price for him using his powers are like like our like all of his bones broken or did they just fix after that. Because that's not much of a price but also take my hero academia he's Deco. He's decades his finger chimes his leg. Sometimes it's like Yes a contract. They'll have the price but like some of the prices are too steep. So it's like hey I never use them because I don't want to eat an entire bowling ball which my contract so these things. Where do the terms of these contracts come from because because some of them are like? That's that's fine that's fine. You could totally do that every single day others. Yeah it's just wants to use her powers. The people just feel compelled to do the same and it's like a CD. They can't stop until they do that thing so I hate that. It's not like negotiation. Like they just have to do it. It's for no reason I hate that. That's that's that's a contract but then you get powers hours. The range is so weird later on. We see someone Shogo Beer. And this guy's breaking several finger. Sure you can make it rain whenever you want and the shock on this Bra float away and you have to smash your hand into a Pope Nope so yeah contractors. Them's weird anyway at this police precinct like breakdown just like oh the reaper. Might have. I've had some good to deal with it. Like the rumors contractor going around killing other people get hit by a specialized hitman. That's the reaper became. Two Oh one. It's the starters eighteen burgers and the police are also talking about the scientists are looking into. WHO's involved with Pandora? Which is the organization? That's investigating contractors dolls and hells gate and all this stuff Apparently she was a scientist there and she ran away and is in hiding so they got to figure out what's happening with her. And if the reaper is looking for her now and then we had another info dumped a lot of INFO dumps. I've already given a few myself in this podcast but the contractors dolls and all this stuff is supposed to be kept secret from the general public. Except there's a giant wall and like this guy escapes painted on it and stuff so people get see it But with this wall in with hells gain so they have emmy technology which is just a day ethics mocking bullshit term that they I just don't feel like he's planning like anything else and if any citizen finds out too much they erased their memories somehow real men in black flashing shit it. Yeah hey been obliged explain it. We're not either. Yeah so come to a guy showing up and we're not going to explain anything else in the show. This is the least of your worries. Why start here? Sometimes you've just got to enjoy the ride. Just don't think too hard. Just go with this nature. Feel like you should be like they're like think about your existing views like no. Thanks not what. So the cut to some guy showing up at this new apartment landlord mistakes for a bunch of different people thinks he's like the TV repairman he comes and he's he's trying to explain he's not certain the TV and the TV shot shorts out electro city and smokes and fix it so like oh we're turns out. This boy's name is Lee Shang in his new to the city and sounds fake. Yeah there's no one guy from Yulon and he's new city it's here for school so the landlords or student I know how you you're GonNa have some fun but nothing too crazy kid. She's a saucy all lady and since he's a student he's there for school in that new city. I'm counting transfer soon check. I'll take what I can get and Rosie gets there. He sees his neighbor ver- Lee leaving her and he's like. Oh Hi I'm new. And she runs off okay. Can we get a shot of like old frumpy. guile Irish this cap sitting in a cafe smokin with an earpiece. And he's like he's in now. We'll see for black report confined to smart. ooh Dont`a done. I mean it's his name Swan it's you know. He's not super important but yet they show Lee looks around us. New Placing settles in and then we cut not like a commercial bumper. And come back to two COPS Hostess Club. And this is where I got a question does the host club count for titties on the BINGO card. I mean she has side Boob like their emphasize but we don't is not full full Titi Bingo is just as convoluted. And I do the laws you can over Sir Sir. I mean this. TD's Tim Tierney question. Mark now my my Bingo is technically on incest info sitting on rooftop and delicious cartoon food which we get to later so the BINGOS legit all. The other stuff is just nonsense but Anyway who's the slow Katcher. They're they're undercover pretending they're not undercover and they're trying to get info on the scientists who they think might be around here turns out it's the hostess hostess. They're talking to it turns out she's also lease neighbor that we saw early ninety and so she figures out what they're doing. I mean she tells like the Guard at the host club. Hey these guys tried to come after me slowing down. And that's when she runs off and then the cops after her guard stop them exactly as planned land and as she's running away she's trying to find a place to hide from these cops and she bumps in the League who's out in the park with telescope because he's a big old nerd and A lead takes her side and pretend like couple of making out to cover her from the cops. Say a loser She can loser trail and then after after they're gone and they have a minute to talk. She has where are you looking up at the stars like they're all fake the realtor gone and it's just like so this woman I remember all. Oh man they don't they don't tell you know when I started feeling bad for you to this yes like fuck fuck can fake stars. Why does this matter fine fine? It doesn't though it does slow series a dozen. They'd be so much did on it. I don't I think he just doesn't astronomy degree because there's nothing anyway because it's not even unlike detailed like all this this constellation like the the symbolism of these stars being so far apart. It's just like yes stars. Cool this the stars cold like sixty nine forty so alright are fell cool like bad even like a astronomy is not even you know at that me an angel. God they could have just had it anytime. A contractor detector died. A star fell late in the back camera pans being see it fall and never address it but at the fans piece it together. Cool when it doesn't have to be like the deep lot of this entire show now it does not take off. No this is like the T.. Plot there too so much shit. They're trying to cram in year. Yeah I love it. Anyway she talks to Lee and he's like oh I'm your new neighbor. She's a cool. I'm not telling you into this out and runs off and then league gets a very disgruntled. Look in his eyes and say oh no and she runs off and hides and sees a controversial chasing her and then guy shows up I forget his name amy. I'm going to call them what John John. Because he's also CH- Sean he shows up and he's like hey louise out new contact attack. Let's roll. He said we gotta move the stuff. She's like Nah Lewin. Say that what's happening She's like some some different by John. I don't trust you you and that's when it gets clogged over. The back of the head with a telescope by Lee is now Stalker and he saves her and they run off again and and As a running. She's trying to explain like now. You better off getting involved in some shit and as a running the guy that Lee attacked attacked just appears in the bridge. They're on like in the wall of the bridge. Bust out of it like the KOOL aid man. Then it pushes Lee over the bridge and onto the train train tracks and lease dead forever. But he's Oh no. Oh there's I'm sure he'll never pop up again now. I'm Sir he's definitely not that guy to mask. We saw earlier told you my brain. It's obvious everyone has the same hair it sticks for so then Yeah so the guy gets a lady and she wakes up in a warehouse. She sees three guys just sitting around talking and the guy that attacked her contractor. That's how he's able to tell poured into stuff and his contract is he has to take all these little pebbles in line them up in like five five by eight grade or something has to do it anytime he uses his powers and he has no idea why but he's compelled to do it and this is when he tells her like. Oh Yeah Louis Super Dad had your deb your body your boy your indeed with dead. Now you're on with us. Let's just say how she's trying to get out Roy Tried to get out. And they're like I can't get out. That door's locked hydrate block and I wish to see a shot of Yin. I know her name because I watched the show. We definitely don't get it or ever any of them ever. She's sitting with their feet in the water and we see the spectrum pop up out of the sink. We're in the warehouse than girls being held in and the guy sees US Shit we spectrum Washington us the lights go out the door shorts out and then the lady runs and then all the guys go chasing after and a cat attack step and blonde says This wasn't a coincidence. I hope not. It's a very bad run a luck and then right as the ladies away Lee shows up again to savor began. God that's sewed want and then we have the ending which it's also also not bad not easy. No I'll be on skipped it every time not surprised okay episode to we go. This is where girl says. When you see falling star Star that means a contractor died? They took the stars when they showed up in the city and they're the stars now Japan that's all. They felt. They had to explain if they don't explain it ever. Yeah this are they manifestations. NFL Stations of the stars are they tied to a being that as now the starbucks eight the other starred honestly all of those things could be plausible because we don't ever learn And then she talks about how people don't know about the contractors tractors and if they find out about the contractors the government raises their. MA'AM HURRY A C. Yeah glad I had this one. And then she tells me that she worked for the government and when she was younger she saw a contractor kill her parent Ooh Ooh and then we see the cops in there like briefing rumor their little whatever and they're talking talking about John and what he can do and then they talk about Burger King to o or whatever it is and then they Leeann girl get back to her apartment but it's been ransacked and then she starts crying along 'cause you know she's on the run from criminals. Sure I wonder if she's just real messy and it's only your police ransacked so yes oh no this. Well that's the thing. Okay okay hold on just won't no I won't yet so so she starts crying and she's like this feels really. I can't believe this and I'm like girl you were working with the government on some pretty heavy stuff actively researching all this shit. I mean you've ran away from it. Can you believe this is anthony is. This is your fault this is exactly what would happen. And then she asks him not to leave because he was like Oh grab which can change me and my apartment but then he do you know whatever this is supposed to be romantic. And then there in his apartment laying on the floor because he doesn't have furniture he moved through the day. Yeah and then she She gets deep and she's like a Uh let's reflect on my life for a minute and she's like Oh. I've only been living in this building for two weeks but I can't remember living anywhere else. She used to work in a lab now. She works in a hostess club. But it didn't matter anyway because Louis was gonna come take her away from all of this but now that's that's not happening because he's dead So now she like has to start over and he's like what are you GonNa do now as she's like. I don't know Louis. The one that had the answers. I'm just a young woman. Run also a scientist with all the critical information. Mrs So what field above. She's like supposedly genius. Probably but we see none of that we see later on she's a doll so she only has implanted memories of last hey just saying that sex boilers for Shit. I this is my every era about I just have a minute. She reflects on life and everything up to this point and Lee exists there as well. He doesn't say just laying there it doesn't give a shit. He just a college student. Don't mind me just laying sexy on the floor venting and the lease like. Hey let's run away together. Check yes. Juliet And then he's like. It was fate that we ran into each other. I'm like boy you laying it on thick. If a boy said that to me I'd be like you're shitting right here on your minds. And she's like that's crazy. They've they've seen your face they're gonNA come after you but he doesn't like he knows this. Yeah that's why we can. I really trust you and I'm like no. You CanNot China Portugal so here here. They hear footsteps and The detectives get to her apartment next door and this is where I was like. What do you mean? The detectives aren't the one that ransacked her place. Because that was what well I thought right away I guess it was John and his fellas year but like I don't know my immediate thing was that it was the detectives because that's who we last saw. Ah We're chasing after her so not being put whatever the boo detectives at her house. Yeah and then they leave. They go to a diner and they're like discussing their game plan and he's like I know a guy that can get us passports but but we need a lot of money but maybe there's something we can trade for it I don't know and then she's like. Oh I know about about these really important files. Is that enough. And he's like Oh my God that's perfect. What a crazy coincidence the incidents that you know about these very important government documents that I definitely didn't know about before? And then she tells him that let her real name is cool and this is the delicious cartoon food the waitress brings about ton of food shoot and and then she ocoee Does some six fachet me but running for your life will burn the calories. Ah Comfortable. FC Yeah they laugh for such a long time. That's something that isn't very funny. Nothing good as fleeing the police fee. That's funnier than what she said. And they yeah. They laugh for so long and I'm just sitting. They're being like he's fake. Why is he laughing like this is he's fake and then her eyes go glassy so she has a weird moment and then she gets up and goes to the bathroom? Mm Excuse me. And then there's a guy in the booth behind Li. It's the guy with the hat and he's like wildly. You make this look so easy but it's pretty easy when you don't have a conscious any way conscious conscience and then he's like Lee. Why don't you just kill her? And then he leaves thanks. We'll do except not we'll do because maybe he's falling in love with her fully unclear and then Uh John's boys arrive at the diner and Lee Run into the kitchen and they start shooting and then one of them is also a contractor and he uses. His laser is to explode some dishes so shards go flying everywhere. One of them gets Lee early in the arm but they just run away and they're fine and then the boys go outside and they call John Presumably. He's saying that they lost them. And that leaves the rat she and they don't that means nothing. It means nothing. Hey that guy who's Lee shut up. This was my favorite part of the three episodes. We watched the dude. He crouches which is down. It looks as some dandelions and then he picks one eats it he just puts it in his mouth and chews it up and I'm like Bra. Same that's the one with neighbor dressed in a cafe. There's food in their mood. That's his contract. That's bucket okay. So he has to eat like what does he have to eat the data lines or maybe flowers in general. We don't know this is the only episode we see. You didn't why fucking is showed. That king sucks because it shows that he's a contractor it's established on all contracts have to pay a price and this price. Oh my God. There's so much more that happens okay. WH- where is it okay. He either Dan Line and then we see the dog girl with her feats is in the water and the two there are two guys one of them is the hat man. The other one is anonymous But they talk about the situation and they're just like leash should fucking kill Chiaki. I don't know what he's doing And then the dog girl says that she can't see them anymore because there's no water around them mhm and then we see Chaki tending to his wounds by ripping some fabric and Tara in. I'm putting it around his arm. Is that still on the Bingo Card or was that just discussed I discussed but we really shown at it. That's such a such a stable yet and then he's like you look really Pale. You should try and get some sleep. You must be tired. And she's like I mean I'm tired and tired of running. And then she yeah she like she's like I haven't felt safe since back then when my parents died we know what's more shit. no-one no-one cares most attacks about how her parents were killed. L. Bhai younger looking girl. But she didn't tell anybody what she saw. Because whatever not supposed contractors. But she didn't get her memory erased because nobody knew that she saw what happened and then lease like well. Why don't you just erase your memory? Sorry as she's like the memories are who I am now and hey if she only has memories of the last two weeks why would she remember her parents week dead house part of the implanted memories. It was little suspicious when it's like I can remember last Sunday and also like thirty years ago. Just those two things this is who I am. I mean. She's not really thinking herself so I suppose so then why. She so damn introspective. God I built a robot with awareness. What have I don't aww? Oh no but only selective self awareness and then she gives she handley a key and then she asks him if he would raise his memory even if it meant it was like changing who he was and then he's just like listen to me. Listen to me girl. Contractors aren't human. They're monsters they'll kill anybody and I guess is where we're supposed to be like. Oh my God. He's diff- friends because he doesn't want to kill her. No my God I can fix him. The the rise of skywalker was so bad. Yeah yeah that's true Anyway so it's the next day and they're on a train and then they go to a locker like a train locker Walker and they take a book out of it and at this book has sensitive information in it. Why are they keeping in turn locker begun to find the babies? No wrong movie. John is boys followed them so they have to run away again but they just follow them And then they're walking down the street and leave. Li like leans down to Chalky says try to forget and then she collapses and he runs off and then gene and the boys run after him And then we see the woman police officer chief. The chief she She gets a call about that happening and then they also say that to a one is showing activity again. We have no idea with that means in. She gets another call that they've made Body in a river and then that she rocky wakes up the other one so at this point I was like what the heck what who's the Real Schalke was. I thought that that she I thought that the realty I duNNo. I thought that she died. And then like this one was gonna wake up like as a contractor in. That's how you get powers. I have no idea now which is kind of like a book that I read called vicious. It's a really good book. This report PODCAST. Pike if you have a really close to death experience you get superpowers superpower's. It's a really good book highly recommend anyway to this bullshit. Tax this back on this bullshit. I'm sorry are you giving doing so and shit for going on a tangent. I'm just trying to bring any joy. So she yeah. She wakes up and she's like surrounded by people in the police and she's like and then she runs away. Guns Yeah like shoots nobody. Nobody like the soloist sequence of like. Hey lady needed help. She collapses in like hugs this cop for like five seconds against and then just stands up with a gun in no one says anything and she just runs away bad cop. Bad Cop Okay so she Shrines Way and then we see lea running and he does this cool costume change where he puts on his jacket and when the jacket is off him. It's like green and then he puts it on and it's like a black trenchcoat. Yeah it's like a reverse six superpowers that's right and then he opens the book and there's nothing in it and then the the secret Kurt was in your heart. Though the secrets the friendship we made along the way and then John Catches up with him and and he's like I know you're the one that killed my friend. Louis Cheok you get there. And she's upset about it he's like but I told you. Contractors Tractors are liars and monsters baby. I'm no different. I Y play in the game. That's just who I am. As part of the business we call Hollywood and then and then John goes to shoot cheeky but then Lee gets in in front of her for some reason completely unclear to me. Because it's like you obviously didn't care about her this whole time doing this now. Much much like in rise of skywalker of sorry. Spoilers also heyday So yeah he gets shot and then John is like bitch you just you just got shot for a doll this. It's just a jolly put Schalke's memories and is just tall towards law. And then he's like but she did her job she brought you to us and then he's like face down on the ground and then one of the guys comes up and shoots him in the back of bunch and they're like thought this would be much harder. Thought he would put more of a fight and then a voice happens just whatever they hear a voice and he's like he will and then and they turn into a talking cat talking ten this shows yes. Why did we turn talking put in the hours? Because I don't give a shit. You didn't learn sailor moon ooh remove. We got Tuxedo mask. We've got the talking cat we got ours. Marshall is walking out of the room because even he knows that this. That was not justified by Marshall. I mean like I could explain the Janet we want. You don't WanNa know I kinda do. He was using contractor that could possess animals bodies when he was possessing a cat. They killed his real body. Oh doesn't make it worse. That's not as fun anymore rules Anyway Cat cat tells them that the jackets bulletproof so he gets up. He's up in fighting. He kills guy they use their powers to fight. Lee uses cheat. Leaves the hockey hall as a human shield even though he just tried to protect her no no he doesn't he so John What's the name. Blondie John His power. So like teleport soft swap places with stuff so he just targeting Lee is going to rip out his heart and Chiaki dives in front of him. So lead doesn't show it Yawkey. Does it herself well. That is also unclear because it seems at this point. I'm just like she well. She's a husk now. She'll got feelings no more than she. I don't care it to the end of this episode of physical fight sequence might as well be like the anchorman fight sequence where it's just nothing. Everything's he's just coming out of the blue it's garbage. It's important to know that John Rips off her teddy that is the thing that happens John just turns into water in leaves and then the guy with the hat shows up out of nowhere and then he's like The thing has been acquired by another team. You should've killed Chiaki when you had the chance. She's just a doll and then Dan Lee is like. She's not a doll. She's a love of my life. No He's not but he's he says he gets huffy because he's like well then. I'm just a doll. Oh all aren't i. And then the guy's like yeah guys always doing it for some doll. I'm a mission doll. Is that what she says. Anyway headed a cat UH-HUH I put cat says that they should finish the job. Doll girl locates on so the girl. Yeah okay when they're trying to get rid of John Yeah so she she finds John he comes out of a river and he likes starts to do the pebble stuff and then leave find him and then the cops come and see when I thought that the contract were relevant I was like is a demon. GonNa kill him or something because he didn't do his contract thing so there are no stakes for whether whether or not they actually have to do the thing that they're compelled to do. I mean they're impelled to do it. That's that's the steak and then there's like some I don't know I watched this dubbed. I don't know if the same song plays at the end. But there's just like some music playing with like some words is just like a weird like slow pop song. It's like the end of like an NBC drama no into scrubs and then and then lease at home and the police come and they're like hey do you know your neighbor and he was like what me no the new guy. Oh shucks no I came straight from Nebraska and then the chief asked for his ID and he shows her and then they turn to leave and closes the door and then she looks back because she gets. She knows something sums up with. And that's the end of episode episode two and I'm racing that from my ipad forever. I mean good because we jumped to episode five and you. You know all the painstaking detail we just went into on that Those last two episodes. We'll fucking throw it all out the window because we're going to introduce new characters today. I'm be completely real. What you guys? I like slept through this one. I have no idea. This guy Is I downloaded disco at least and I was so ready to start playing it. I was like no for the craft for the craft apt. This do for the bond a you made Apostoli Dugan high. No you remind on me every time so I'm gonNA blaze through this because who fucking cares we got There's the Shady back room cafe business meeting between a previously unseen like mob boss and a just us now being introduced British wisecracker guy sure he goes onto a very tarantino esque like anti smoking. PSA because one of the thugs tries to light up a cigarette and he hands the mob boss a briefcase full of cash. Ashby like us. So now you'll have to give the location of this. This vague thing this macguffin. I'm not going to talk about bloviate. Accident Words this one Japanese again. I can't believe they gave this man at British accent. Oh He's very. Yeah it is fine. Yeah that's better than a lot of accidents. We've seen an anime. Yes so the mob bosses like a Oh you're giving me this much money in you're gonNA give me two more briefcases after this thing is really valuable Well the deals off. 'cause I'M GONNA take for myself. I'm keeping this money. So of course this British Man They Call Him Just Smith Myth. He gets several names of fucking course. I'm just GONNA call them. Smith 'cause fucking so Smith surprises is is a contractor that can freeze people and things and stuff so He freezes the thugs and like has them rip their arms off and all that stuff and the mob boss runs out trying to escape across a bridge but we see two more more contractors. One Who is definitely definitely definitely not storm from I mean. Yeah so Definitely not storm Summons a rainstorm above him and just like drenches inches of water and using this method freezes him in place and he's like So give me the location are. They're all kill you and the my boss was like. Don't worry be please up just a wee baby poor. He's location location. Go to this. Please don't hurt me. So of course they still frees him to death after that classic And they go to a hotel where they find this thing which is a girl and this is havoc another other contractor and this we are introduced the actual names Definitely legally dissimilar storm is named April World April showers. Get it talking. Get it to you and and there's just this it's very dapper Angus MacDonald kid that is named July San. They're all with 'EM I six. The British guys codenames November Eleventh November in November eleventh. Do you do you get that. They're British yet now. Do you get it. Hey real real quick. Stop the podcast right. Do you get it. I didn't because I was very tired and also watching watching Serbs Also the British guy his contract prices. He has to smoke a cigarette and hates it. That's why he was going on the spiel earlier. That's a good while storm. Just cracks open at Cohen one with the boys and enjoys literal boy this child. Did you want a SIP child. No suit yourself find. You'd be a little NARC and of course. They had to have a Guinness. which isn't even even the British beer but fucking go off He's like smoking. We all out the fair price. Usually I love this whole fat cracked open. I'm GonNa just finish all of these. I only need to take steps. Showed this shit. I'm I'm joy in life. My contract is I just need to crack. Open a cold one. I don't I don't mean to drink it I. I don't like to be wasteful but I ain't no pussy. See this so the apparently these contractors hand over havoc to the cops ups and the cops are going over have X. File an info dump saying she's like the deadliest contractor In the South American. Heaven's Heaven's gate wars still not comfy with that title but sure She's Yeah H G. No that's still works for Hell's Gate dammit. It doesn't God's door so they get into she's becoming a lab rat So they can just experiment and figure out what's up with the contractors. She's apparently worked for the the CIA at God's door and is now gonNA fight Hell's Gate So see how. Do the savings fatty so. They need Smith and the gang meet a lady cop who I just learned. Her name was Cures Hara now. Sure fucking lady COB. That's chief that's fine nine whatever it does and questions why they handed over havoc because everyone wants this high value target and they mentioned just vague. Laws fucking shirt all right if you don't want to explain something that's fine trout and they helicoptered havoc away but Oh no another helicopter is going to intercept. It's the CIA. They're going to try to steal have ic she's seen none of this off camera you can believe me. It's definitely happening. Yeah they're driving away and and they're talking about this over phone calls because apparently they couldn't animate more helicopter shots so surprise it was actually a bait and switch and Smith put havoc in their trunk but but only monitoring her the whole time. Well Fuck you. We needed this for plot. The Ha Ha. Yeah so They actually have havoc so everything is fine. They drive away And and the cars get intercepted by Leave in black reaper form. No it's totally not him. What oh no it's But he's Split some off as a classic Japanese anime stuff. A train goes by splitting the Party and then the one with havoc gets Attacked and they fight sure Then they end up stealing havoc so The cops are back at the office. I being like Oh. We failed our supreme leader. If I'm the chief I don't know who I'm reporting the table but yeah the The head Honcho is like okay. Well you're working under Pandora control until you can retrieve havoc now jargon again and they're all mopey sitting around because they failed in their like this couldn't be the CIA because they don't want it and international incident led the let's do international politics into this because we need this to be even simpler and then the the kid his Dais X. mocking powers kick in any he just magically knows where to go because he just chance about like a theater or something. He's a doll in his specter's concede through class class. Shir cooled not explain tonight and then we see. Reaper has havoc. And he's he's like where's my sister. Introducing yet another thing and my last snow is triple underlined. Fuck this cool. That's that's that's episode five right today. You have any questions I get enlighten you about. Why why I have you forsaken as I liked it I don't I have my question right? Not My question him but my realization to think about this and also do Roth Ira you just like some convoluted bullshit. I wish just puts you like in an anime. I don't like being spoon. Fiddle the story all at once. I like a slow burn over the course of five episodes. No yeah this is like a genuine genuine question. Do you just have the trust that by the end of the series e will get all the answers or are you just on board for for the ride and if he just endings are left unanswered. You're happy with it or If not that's fine What what's your thought? Process is going into these. Like heavily convoluted shows real. Talk a lot of free time and not allow these so anything that kills the monotony of life. I'm going for it. I watch like three officers of the show and if if I like it for any reason I'll keep watching so some of them are just. I liked the animation style. But I don't like the story I'll keep watching it and this one I was like I like superpowers bullshit. I'm on board. I brought this up because like the I like to episodes like one or two little mini story. Three or four little mini soared five and six and seven eight early miniseries. So it's hard to get what the through line is but this whole show until he gets ten and I'm just not about with that kind of thing like whenever people talk about how much they like near near Automata and they're like oh just wait till you get to the fourth ending the fifth those those are the ones that get you. And it's like I would never stopped that requires the time investment. But then I also to make the argument with a lot of other stuff like supernatural. Would you get the season three. It's really good as like. That's not fandom that Stockholm Syndrome and like I it could also apply ended this much smaller timeframe. But if you're not if you're not hooked by episode one with all the bullshit you're not going to enjoy the rest of the show so like I I can enjoy stuff like this where there is like a a big thing at the end that pulls it all together but like I need those little clues clues those little hints of like. Hey Trust US trust us. We're setting something up like Without spoiling doing things like the good place where like you have to get through the whole first season to get what's going on but it's an enjoyable ride up until that point and it's Sort of telegraphed through that point so you can go back and re watch it and go okay. This is clear now now that I know what's going on well. I also think I mean what this is going to come down to like what we like to be entertained by because Dugan and I are the same in that like we like something like the good place where there is a payoff after thirteen episodes. But it's fun. It's fun to watch you do. It's like I don't WanNa say fun to watch. It's more fun for us to watch something like this where it's just like is as enjoyable as the destination action. I don't agree with that but I would also agree for me. Darker Than Black is also enjoyable on the ride. Well that's what I'm trying to say is that we enjoy his his personal rights. I guess be fun for me but then it was fun for you. I don't like roller coasters. But other you you say late Tarare. There was stuff time together. I will admit it is subtle and watching for the first time you could easily overlook the stuff but like like with a Takia. where she's a doll she's like I feel like I've spent my whole life in this apartment as 'cause she has she doesn't have memories of before then and like the memories of her parents? are just implanted memories like. They're not those aren't really hers. And the Real Takia was the one dead in the river her name but okay. I don't remember what it is and it doesn't matter she's dead that's true but like so it's stuff like that we're like it does tie together but like I I wanted i. It does take a good amount of effort and like you either. Context clues retroactive clues. Where it gets episode seventy early? Oh that's what they're talking about an episode to like Yes so there is a lot of that I won't deny that and if if that's not enjoyable for some people this is definitely not your show. Yeah I feel like the biggest thing is a lot of this stuff. Felt like it was coming out of the blue like episode to get a talking cat like unexplained unannounced not addressed at all. You're just like hey it's sort of need. I need you to realize this anime. which for me takes me out of it a little bit? No I'm saying like I like the idea of like. Hey this is just this type of show. Just just go with it just rather than like. Hey this has a narrative purpose this is going to actually do something rather than have a a character. We see in two scenes that inexplicably a talking cat. I mean it does have narrative purposes and it does pay off later but we only watched three episodes of the show. So it's like everything's not going to pay off the. I can't do this again. We we at at the same place. Every time convoluted stuff. I don't WanNa hear this again. Yes happened once before not about it. Okay it's not convince us to like it but he likes it and that's fine you his thing and it's not our thing and that's what it comes down to and Brendan you. You have to know that every time we watch something like this. This is what's going to happen. You're under price to pay questions. I'll just answer them. So what do we have going on next week. If someone says another convoluted cop drama. I'm throwing myself out a window psycho. Sit is well So Arctic Nah our next episode. I'm considering it the Valentine's Day episode who do so. I have chosen a show that I have heard is good and I know nothing else. Well I know the plot a little bit And I know the idea of a plot but all I've heard is that it's good and it is a gooey Osama love is war. Yeah I've heard a lot about this. Yeah Yeah I was just going to watch the first three episodes. 'cause I don't know context but I know it's not a convoluted cop drama so we're good on on that front. Oh thank God. It's a convoluted love drawn. A if there's a show you would like us to watch you can send recommendations was at our email. Are we very eh gmail.com or reach out to us on twitter and Instagram at. Are we there there yet. You can find me on twitter and Instagram at Mr Patrick Dugan. You can find me on instagram. At Queen Period we ABBOU and on twitter at Queen Underscore we abhu and queen gene underscore. We Abboud Art. You can find me on twitter at ABT s Brendan stands for almost better than silence. which is video game podcast? That's much less convoluted. Thank you Camille really for artwork and thank you to Louis Zone for theme song stories off the album beats. You can find all of lose music at Louis Zone DOT band camp dot dot com. Thank you and we hope you'll join US next week as we learn to live with him. I have nothing to say

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Episode 267: The Torah Studio - Liana Wertman

Judaism Unbound

58:10 min | 2 weeks ago

Episode 267: The Torah Studio - Liana Wertman

"Support for this episode of judaism. Unbound comes from the family. Jcc in palo alto california whose vision is to be the architect of the jewish future. The oshman's jcc empowers you to experience jewish paths toward a life of joy purpose and meaning through innovative jewish learning and wellness programs community building and initiatives to develop the next generation of jewish leaders. Learn more at www dot palo alto jcc dot org. This is judaism unbound episode. Two hundred sixty seven the torres studio. Welcome back everyone. I'm dan lee benson and lex roseburg and before we jump into our today. We want to wish you a happy. Passover or i should say which happy passover to those listeners who observe passover starts tomorrow night. If you're listening to this on the day that it's release. And i hope that those of you who are doing or attending passover sater's have a good experience it's our second passover in zoom seder land. We do want to note that we have a collection of passover related materials. Just go to. Www dot jewish life dot org slash passover dash twenty twenty one and there you can find links to resources that we think are particularly valuable. I wanna call attention to three of them in particular. When is the plagues project. It's a collection of thirty plus videos that we've done along its partners. The second is something called virtual seder. It's a collection of about seventy five really short videos like two minutes each that you through the entire harare the entire seder project and you can watch them before passover to get a little bit inspired into come up with some ideas for your seder or you can actually watch them during the seder and the third resource. It's there is a link to a construction videos about how to make your own mott's at home particularly you're on soft. Matza soft matza can be kosher passover and check it out we actually have an orthodox rabbi who is teaching you how to soft matza there again you can find all that at. Www dot jewish live dot org slash passover dash twenty twenty one. Another thing that. I just want to mention briefly. Is that a book that i translated. We've talked about it in the past on this podcast called the orchard is finally out as an audio book so if you want to read a really interesting book about the beginnings of rabbinic judaism after the second temple was destroyed and actually think a lot about how that time has similar to our time. I think that you really will enjoy this book. You can find it at audible dot com as well as anywhere else that you might find audiobooks. Let's shift gears to our interview for today as you'll recall we're in this series where we're exploring the bible from a variety of angles. We've spoken to academic bible scholars about their work and their discoveries. We've learned about how. I choose relate to the bible and today. We're going to speak with an educator and entrepreneur who's trying to change the way that all jews relate to the bible our guest. Liana workman is the founder of a new organization called the tour studio. The tourists studio is a radically accessible and inclusive torah learning space. It was created to be a place for people to learn torah without having to leave any part of their identity behind the terrorist studio believes the torah is better with your whole honest voice. Sharing ideas struggles excitement and joy. Liana werthmann was raised in los angeles across a variety of jewish denominations. She began teaching as a teenager at the car. Spiritual community and also as a counselor at the gambling hilltop camp which is one of the wilshire. Boulevard she's been working with jewish children and teenagers for over a decade. She's also studied herself although she likes to emphasize how much of a what we call a regular do she is. She's taken three years of tomek glasses and his reaching the intermediate level of biblical hebrew. And as she says she recognizes a lot of aramaic words she spent a summer studying at parties institute for jewish learning in israel and also at the hebrew union college. Summer bait me josh. Before starting the tourist studio she worked for two years at temple. Israel hollywood as the youth director and now as she starting up the tourist studio. She's also doing a side gig as a fulltime student in the masters of jewish educational leadership program at the school education at hebrew union college. Under the tutelage of our previous guests. Miriam heller stern. I should also say liana is a longtime listener to judaism unbound who we connected with years ago because she did some amazing synthesis sketching of our ten commandments of jewish innovation. That we talked about long ago so as always we're really excited to welcome a longtime listener. First-time caller to the podcast. Liana werthmann welcome to judaism unbounded to real thrilled to have you as a guest on the podcast. Thank you so much. It's great to be here. Can you talk a little bit about why. It's called the terrorist studio art happening in the studio. The tourist studio at does not make any art yet. We also don't do any yoga yet. But that is kind of what we're modeled off of. Basically our business model is what a yoga studio does. We are teaching torah every single week. Multiple classes different teachers. We are doing that every single week. And you don't have to sign up for a large amount of classes in advance. The yoga studio model has really been away for me to make sure that i'm creating a space that feels accessible for people so that they can be practicing torah in learning the scale and making it a part of their life it feels nourishing so i wanna get into that a little more deeply. I'm curious just the way that you put it so interesting. So when you think about torah in the same category as yoga i think about i think about yoga and i kind of understand what yoga's for. Its practice of some degree of exercise. Some degree of of centering of breathing of bringing calm. When i think about i tend to think of it as nothing that only i think of it this way i think most people think of it as something that you do in a different way than we think about yoga when when you think about a torah practice as something that i might just drop in on occasionally in the same way they might do yoga and have a really great experience doing it that once but it doesn't necessarily mean that i'm now going to do it every day. Could you talk a little bit about your sense of what is and what tourist studies. all about. Torah study is something that we all should have access to whether you try it once like a yoga and that was enough. You did it but you knew you could do it. You went and you tried it and you were able to do it. Maybe it was hard. Maybe it was awesome but once was enough but the fact that it's then available at other times means that you're really able to build up a practice on your own even if we don't activate it even if we don't actually use it we should all feel that we're allowed to have access to torah. It is what we're building fences around. Were trying to take fences down from which is a quote from pure k. Vote where they talk about. Building a fence around tora. We are trying to build a new judaism build a stronger. Judaism and i think taurus should still be at the centre and we need to be in conversation with it. We need to at least feel that. It's available to us whether where rabbis or just considering that we're jewish for the first time it's our text. Okay so do you already went the name route nest about the studio side. The tourists i. I'm just like really into it because we've talked about different kinds of organizations. I love the name tourist studio. I genuinely love the name tourist duty. I think it is clear in a certain sense but also like just the right amount of mystery like okay torres studio. So this is something related to ta- torah. And i assume that i would. If i'm accessing this organization you know interact with the five books of moses and that's true and studio in the ways you're talking. What had hints that. There's like an experimental avenue or set of avenues that either. I love the name quick or no question. And then i'll ask the question. Is the relationship between torres. Study and studio like the phonetic relationship is that on purpose. It is not on purpose. But i kind of felt like it was the modern easily accessible version of fake news. Trash cool okay. So i'm curious when somebody accesses torah through you what is different about it compared to somebody accessing it through somebody else so you've talked already about how you fashion your classes so that people can access not just as like an ongoing series but actually each one can resonate just on its own which to me resonates a lot as somebody who makes this podcast. We try to play it both ways right like we try to have this be an ongoing conversation between episodes but we also want somebody to listen to us one time ever and have that matter and i think that's like not always the most popular thing to say in jewish organizational spaces because the idea is like we're sort of doing this fight to like get jews to like do jewish and like continue to do jewish for an ongoing period of time. And so saying you. Just do it once and that's awesome. Why is it that you sort of orient that way. And what are some of the other ways in which tore a studio is different from torah studies at a synagogue or jcc wherever it might be. I think that text has been kind of put on a high shelf literally for how we're allowed to access judaism that people who are just starting to figure out what is important to them or just having that inkling that judaism matters to them are trying to find their avenues into a jewish life into jewish identity and text often gets laid out as. Oh that's what you do when you've already joined the synagogue and you've already have your community and you already feel really confident then. Maybe you can conduct a study and we'll talk out the difficult things that you're gonna find in there that intellectual practice of studying torah that is also very emotional in a way that i don't know that will ever be able to fully explain is such a beautiful way for some people to enter jewish spaces because they wanna know something before they start they could jump into my class and say text is the way that i was missing for feeling jewish. Or they'll go. Yeah that's awesome. I'm glad someone loves it. And they'll go find another way because they know that this was there and they know that they tried didn't make them feel bad for not loving this and i didn't make them feel bad for doing something else and i think it's really important that people have multiple avenues for entering judaism multiple ways of feeling jewish practicing judaism. Same goes for somebody who is on that ten step in his trying to see. Do i like tora. Do i like this kind of practice. I think there's also a level for me of ringing down the yeshiva which is like a traditional jewish study center that is usually meant for orthodox men to the every day and not just to the every day because we're not orthodox but because we have other jobs and because we have other things that we love and care about that sometimes get in the way of torah. Study whether that's the once a week class that's happening or maybe once a month class that's happening at twenties and thirties group or at a synagogue or jc. If that wednesday doesn't work that's your tour for the month. It's out and that was something that i was really hitting a lot. I was working at a synagogue. I was really into torah. I had a lot of connections in the jewish world in los angeles. Lots of rabbi friends. You know. I was like exactly the person who should have been able to find studying torah easy and i couldn't because every time i was trying to find a torah class something would come up that wednesday every three weeks or even if it didn't three weeks wasn't enough i wanted it every day. Honestly i mean this is why i started but i wanted it all the time. And if i couldn't find torah study that was consistent enough than how could somebody who's trying it for the first time or thinks maybe they like it. We think a lot about why somebody isn't doing something jewish were. They're not committed enough. They're not interested enough. It's like no maybe it's just that it takes place on thursdays and they're not available on thursdays and that's the only time it's offered. It actually reminds me of some of the questions. The questions that i'm gonna ask. You reminded me a lot of the questions that people tend to ask us which is like well if you're doing it in this way in our case online that is much more accessible and therefore much more likely to be accessed as the numbers prove but it's not worth it because you're losing something really important in doing it that way and online you're losing community the way that you're doing it with drop in tourist study you're losing the long-term going through it with the same people over and over and you know i always say well look there's lots and there's gain and yeah i'm not gonna deny the losses that you talk about but i'm also going to emphasize the gains in and let me tell you about how we do it here so that maybe you can get excited about it so i'd love to understand a little bit especially now that you've launched this covid so obviously it's all taking place online and i wanna ask how you mean it to be after covid because it's more clear that if you do something online there's a lot more likelihood that people can drop in anytime and somebody'll be around. I'm curious if the vision is really that no this is an online project for exactly that reason or there's a vision that at some point after covid the there would be an in person dimension. And how would that work so. I came up with the idea for the tourist video about two years ago. I remember dan. We got coffee one time the first time we met. I told you about like the nascent beginnings of this idea of. How are we going to teach torah to a new generation of jews like really bring it to people and always in my head had been in los angeles which i think is a space that is ripe for jewish experimentation that no one is really jumping in on or not enough. People are jumping in on and that is going to be in person. I was going to have like a baby. Josh which is like a house of steady is going to be big open space with tons of books because that's like the greatest place in the world for me and then i started it in cove. Ed and i had to totally change. What i understood this project to be and it was better than i could have imagined because i have been able to access people across north america. We have a lot of people coming in from canada. And we're definitely missing the community piece. I think there is a small community. That's building in the same. There's a small long-term group that's building the same way that a temple torres study on saturday mornings has like that core group of people that you walk in and you know they've been there for fifteen years you're gonna come into one of my classes and they were going to be people who have been there every single week for months. Now we've only been around for months but mostly my family But they're the best and so you have to have these given takes of the long term practice of torah study being lost for the one off in what that imbalance is making me. Focus on is making sure that every class that i offer is really seriously rooted in a feeling of torah. Study that there's not time wasted. We're giving everybody exactly the tools that they need to be fully engaged in a tourist city. Really no matter how many times you've done this before whether it's their hundred time or their first time and how does that work tell us a little bit about how the classes themselves work so every single class and every single the will offer the core piece of what we're doing in my opinion is cover to time Comes from the hebrew word heavier friend. It is the term for partnered learning. It means that you're not learning totally by yourself reading on your own. You're reading with another person and not just for five minutes reading the text at each other but we spend more than a third of our class which sometimes is thirty five minutes. Sometimes it's twenty minutes depending on how long the class is in coverage which means that you can one. Maybe two other people are breaking down the text however feels best for the two of you going through every single line every word. That's interesting to you. Every big idea coming just getting to be immersed in that text and we make sure that every person has the tools that they need to be in hover up like. I said whether it's your first time where you're hundred time and that means you have multiple translations of the text so you can cross translate and if you don't know any hebrew you're really getting kind of a sense of where maybe there's some tense hebrew translations going on you are given guiding questions in guiding Steps for how to work through this text with your partner now. I don't use source sheets. Because i want people to just be focused in on the tour attacks. If i walk into your rake out room or pop into your breakout room rather for your And year pointing on something cool. I might give you another taxed or a direction to follow that. I think you'll appreciate that moment. But really you could go through the entire time and just use the torah and then we come out and we have a discussion altogether that i let the learners lead. Mostly i mean. Of course. I am guiding and helping and then shaping abed but whatever was really coming up in is the most important for people in that moment is what we're going to be focused on as we're studying through exodus people are thinking about. What is it means. That god is hardening pharaoh's heart. When we were studying genesis we're thinking about the fallibility of our ancestors. End the process that we are witnessing of people failing and getting the second chances and having these second sons and all these things that people have heard about but haven't really read necessarily themselves or haven't read closely in a long time and what that means is that we're really opening up taxed from what the learners are seeing and letting bat be the guiding force. So i'm really struck by you mentioned that torah learning is emotional not just intellectual in a way. That's hard to explain. That's the first little passing phrase that you mentioned that i think is really deep. The second is it's mostly my family. You mentioned you know. There's sort of a hardcore group that is there each and every time you need or many of the times you meet like a lot of. It's your family members. I wanna sit that. Because i'll be honest. I think there are a lot of us for whom you know. I share all sorts of jewish things with my family and growing up. I shared holidays with my family. We went to services not every week but sometimes like jewish cultural things like all of that. I share with my family. I don't think other than i guess. You could sorta count the passover seder. But i don't think we've ever really studied torah with each other. Not that we've been avoiding it. I actually think my mom and dad. I'm an only child. So that's my nuclear family. Like i think they would love the idea if i said to either one of them like. Hey i love to learn tour with you. But there's something powerful in the idea that we could have as like a family interaction. I'm understanding that. It's not just your family in the room but like the that matters. Because i think that it's counterintuitive that we would share that realm of judaism. I think like i. I'm picturing all the different torres. Studies have gone to unlike most of the people in the room. It's like one person like their spouses and their it's like it's like individual people. Who are all excited about torah study. And like maybe there's a couple couples who both like torah study in both go but a lot of the people like they're on their own because it's their thing on saturday morning and their spouse to something else and then afterwards maybe they schmooze about it. But i'm curious what comes up for you when you specifically share this with people you love whether that's your literal family or others. At first i thought that they were coming just because they love me and they're being supportive but three four months in. I was pretty convinced. Also they told me they're doing it for themselves. And i think one of the reasons that it happens that people aren't sitting with their families or studying just on their own in these groups is there tends to be a hierarchy and torres steady and really a sense of jargon and trying to get in there are certain doors are locked and you have to jump over certain hurdles to prove that you deserve to be in the rooms that are studying torah and if your family member has a vague interest but never done this before it can be really difficult or stressful or just not fun for them to join in torah. Study where they're gonna feel very out of depth and not really heard or excited and it takes a certain kind of person than to jump into those spaces anyway. And i think one of the things that we work really hard to do is created non hierarchical torres base when we're in discussion or hover ta and i make it very clear to everybody before we actually start talking. I share that weather. There are rabbinical students in the room. Which often there are or people studying for the first time again. Often there are that every single person is here because this torah matters to them and every person is bringing their own set of experiences that matter for torah it is. What is going to make arturo beautiful together whether you feel really comfortable what you said just because it's in your guts or whether you feel that it's good because you know that romblom rashi to torah commentators from the eleventh and thirteenth centuries are also saying bringing both of those an makes it beautiful and makes it rich. It reminds me of a story that i probably told before in the podcast but five years in i can retail certain stories but at at one point many many years ago i was running an organization and our staff with study tour together and we were studying this particular story about jethro moses's father in law and when he visited moses. He gives us famous advice about how to organize the people into a kind of parameter leadership structure. But they're part before it where jethro comes and moses tells them what had happened to them how they got out of egypt and it's been really hard since then and jethro gathers all the elders together and sacrifices and animal. I think and says you know. Your guide is the greatest of god's and they basically have a meal together and i said know well. I think what's happening here. Is that says throwing a party. And what he saying to moses implicitly. Is you're a bad leader. Because you're a real downer and you can't be a downer there and be a leader and you have to get the people's emotions up before you do anything else. And so he's having a big party and you're kinda get that because i'm kind of introverted and i'm not necessarily the best at doing that kind of thing so that actually feels to me like really valuable leadership advice as much as the more intuitive. You should organize the people into groups. I mean that's not that complicated but the idea that you throw a big party. That might be something that you have to learn as a leader. If it doesn't come naturally to you so members turns to me and says which commentator did you get that from. And i said well no i was reading it and i'm having this experience because i'm a relatively new leader in the organization and i'm kinda seeing that that one thing that i'm not doing well here is throwing parties by the way is still not very good at that and then spoke to me you know. And she says You can do that. And i said well i guess so. I mean it's gonna stop me but it was interesting that it never really occurred to me or or i had gotten past the point where it would have occurred to me that that there's any question like you can do it. Can you do that. I mean i do whatever. I want but she who was from a much more traditional experience in jewish education. It was a lesson to learn. It was something to realize because you've been educated that if a monitor serve you know someone else didn't say it then it can't be valuable and so i'm curious how to understand more about your experience. You talked about how you try to give people the sense that whatever comes out of anybody in the partnership is a valuable piece but i know that people have such obstacles to believe that. How do you actually go about the process of making them. Believe it so one of the things that i do at the beginning when i give everybody the info they need to be in herethe is i. Show them a graphic of a triangle. That i got from elliot Kent called the philosophy of coverage and it's called the you know the hover to triangle. And it's the three responsibilities that you have covered tub moment in a partner learning space. One responsibilities to yourself one is to your partner and one is to text and that i think is the key that a lot of people are saying is that the text is a partner in your conversation. What that means is you're reading the text carefully and you're letting it have its own voice in the conversation which means when you like what it says. You are digging into that word to that sentence and when you don't like what it says you were also making it speak for itself and when you're really focused on what the text is saying if you can say what you're saying and then go yes. This word right here is what made me think of. It doesn't matter if it's the first time i've ever seen that word doesn't matter if you know what that hebrew word is. It matters that that word spoke to you. And you know that what you're saying is based in text. it's also based in your heart. But it is based on the taxed and i think that process for somebody who is very experienced in learning in a much more traditional way where commentators are ruling how they interpret and somebody who's never looked at tora before both of those people are going to relieve of themselves that they had to be correct because the tech said it. You saw the tax said it. I mean this is a weird connection. But i'm remembering early in my relationship with my spouse. My favorite torah portion happens to be the story of blom block and she at this point relationships. She didn't know that story. Which i think is very logical like it's sort of this weird commercial break in the midst of the book of numbers. It's like it doesn't sort of take the story forward. it's dislike a funny interlude. Although i'm sure people could be about that but i did a like an exercise where i i worked really hard to hide my own bias and i asked her like okay. We're going to do. We're going to look at the story together. And i'm curious on a scale from one to ten with one being like evil and ten being a saint. Like how would you valujet. Like what value judgment would you put on. The character below traditionally all those commentators and lots of jewish takes whatever and whatever have a very negative approach to the of to the point that when they read the initial story in my view they they see the story through a colored lenses and they see this character in a negative way because they sort decided to beforehand my argument and and it turned out she gave like. I don't know what it was like. An eight or nine like he comes off pretty well if you're not looking at those commentators if you're just looking at the text and and it was important for me to see that because it showed me just how much of a twist the commentators often bring to the stories and that's not necessarily bad. There's lots of torah stories. That i actively want to twist and that i actively want to change the message of but people don't always realize how on a basic level like we take for granted esau is like a bad guy in the book of genesis and jacob is a good guy like read those stories without any glasses on and i think either one of those characters can be seen as good and either one could be seen as pretty evil. So why why is it so important in your group action. My take why that's important in your group to stick with that because obviously somebody listening to this. Could be like but wait lex. You talk about finding connections in jewish texts to like pop culture to other things like why would you. Why would you sort of restrict yourself. It happens to the best of us to get totally stuck in commentators and by the best of us. I mean every incredible. Rabbi that we've been learning from for the last few thousand years but it is definitely put me at like butting heads with some of my coverage in the past to say i'm going to question the commentators and what that means is when you find in the text something beautiful like your sure that ballum is the number one dude and all of torah. If someone came into class and said the way. I just read. Beloved favorita is that he is the number one dude that i have read about in torah. I love him. I want to be like him. I would happily put in front of them. A piece of commentary that said the exact opposite not to say boom. That's the answer your rod but to say great. This is how other people have read it going back to the text. Can you make their point or do you still feel like you can hold your point and where do you think they got it from and coming back to the text really allows you to be in that exact conversation that the commentators were having and it's also about the understanding and i say this very often in my classes. There is no final answer in torah. Every time we come to the text were reading it a little differently. A new word is popping out to us. Rashy hits a little different that day. All of it is going to change and evolve with us in so it's about being in the conversation and having the skills and building those skills and building the confidence to be in that conversation at all. Can you talk a little bit about your own background. Because i think what's interesting in this particular conversation is that all. Three of us launched initiatives various kinds before we were quote authorized in any way now unfortunately lacks has recently become authorized and worst and graduated for rabbinical school. And unfortunately you are enrolled in a program. Where you're going to get some kind of degree of jewish educational leadership lucky new and i'm also wondering the real intent to my question that the real intent but in addition to my question is this is this question of like is what you're talking about in terms of helping people believe that their voice is actually important. How does that relationship change. Once you become more authorized whether that's by a degree or just buy more and more experience. I mean i think the more years that you're doing it even if you're not authorized me you still learn more and more and more so you become more intimidating potentially. I'm wondering how we avoid that as we do endeavors like this which are really meant to help. Unleash people's own voices. I grew up studying torah in like the most casual way possible. My dad was starting his own tore learning journey and was going to tourist studies very often and was coming home on friday nights in telling us what happened in the porsche in i loved and basically since then i have been the person who had any conference or summer camp activity choice jumped in and said i'll be in the tora class i would love to learn more And a few years ago. I decided to study more. I started learning talmud with the regular tollett. Study group in english. I started reading on my own having conversations with rabbis around me just like doing everything. I could to teach myself and i hit a point where that no longer was working. It's around the time. That i came up with the taurus studio so about a year and a half ago i took the opportunity to go to parties in jerusalem. It is a place that is egalitarian. Jewish learning bait new draw. She all those words that are coming up. It's a tour learning space and it just clicked. And then i came home and i kept studying and i have just been immersing myself in torah as much as i can and that does mean that. I don't have that kind of authority that people want or expect from a torah scholar. Now who's to say that. I am not as knowledgeable as somebody in their second or third year of the school if they came in for other reasons than that they had really immersed themselves in torah so far i think that there is a really important aspect to having people that look and act. Enter just excited like you are teaching you. I have been a teacher. I'll say that. I worked at summer. Camps my entire life as a teenager. I worked at a religious school. I ran a youth program at a synagogue. And so combining a passionate my love for torah and combining my passion and love for teach egg just felt very natural and as i gain more skills the make me feel more confident and then make other people feel more confident in me when i'm moving through a discussion with people. I'm giving information as feel is necessary. When i walk into your coverage and you tell me about a really cool word just discovered. I ask people if they want to know the here before. I just tell them. Because sometimes you're like no i'm good. I like my interpretation. I don't speak hebrew. And i don't need to know what the hebrew is 'cause navy. You're going to tell me that it's wrong but most people do wanna know and i just use the resources i have because as a teacher i seeing the light in the joy that overto- and then discussions bring two people to be in. This conversation is something. I hope i never forget about because that is always going to be my central point. You know. now i'm on judaism unbound so it's going to be a little more intimidating people in class but really though yeah exactly but i do think. There's a mix of needing some authority for people to trust that they can learn with me and also that piece of i'm learning with them. I hope should never leave me. I think this is so important. I think we haven't talked about this directly enough in the past. So i'm grateful first off like little side note. What you said about sort of somebody not wanting to know. The hebrew in their interpretation being based on english like we have a lot to learn from christian approaches to the king. James bible where the king james bible in english like in certain senses sort of is the thing you can tell them literally. The word in english is like not truly representative of the original hebrew or and people don't care it is its own holy scripture at this point and i think we have something to learn from that as jews like. I do think we should treat our english texts as also having their own weight. And it's not that. I don't want people to look at the hebrew ever gain meaning that way but anyway so that's one thing i think this point you're bringing up about intimidation that dan rea upper that we're talking about is so vital because i'm going to be honest. I think that as much as there are things. That you and i and dan and others with like a public platform can do to sort of minimize our the amount of intimidation. That we sort of wield. I think at the end of the day no matter what i do. Each year of me gaining experience each year of you gaining experience like there is a way in which that is always going to increase the intimidation. And what my takeaway from that is. Not like a fatalist notion of off. It's all screwed like we. It's we need actively to be looking for people who are not experienced educators who are on the younger end and who are maybe not on the younger end but like newark tomorrow. Whether that's jews by choice whether that's people that are just newer detoro for whatever reason they need to be teaching. We need to block the idea that like the best teachers are those that have the most knowledge. It's not that having knowledge is the worst thing but look there are ways in which somebody having new eyes or newer is on these stories is actively a-plus and where i even as you know. I'm i'm thirty. Not i haven't seen this for sixty years. Were having gone through this process. I sort of know my takes about each torah portion like it is absolutely possible that i'll look at torah portion next time and something new will arise and small things do but like. If i'm really being honest. I don't know that. The percentage of my stuff that comes up. That's new is anywhere close to somebody who is seeing it for the first or second or even fifth time and that's a reason to have that person in the center of the room and not just in the side of the room because when they say their thing they're gonna have an energy. They're going to have an excitement. They're going to be able to transmit it in a way that somebody seeing it for the eleventh or fourteenth time may not and so i'm curious to hear like what it looks like in your space. Are there ways in which the rules are not always sort of you teaching and also what you would say about this in general when we think about torah study. I am the main teacher right now. But i do have incredible teacher teaching with me. One class this season of exodus and hopefully in the future Rebecca chest who's a great friend of mine and the idea. Is that like a yoga studio. There's going to be lots of teachers. And i wanna be finding the newest coolest excited teachers one of those people who are teaching for the first time or want to experiment with a new type of class and they are really highly praised. Educators not rabbis or rabbinical students who are just starting their journeys and in classes themselves. Like i said i try to have no hierarchy and so while i am not having somebody lead a discussion. The first question. I usually ask when we leave clever In go into discussion is all right. What was coming up. What are the hot takes. Lame out. what was crazy. What was upsetting. What was exciting. Just say it and that means that a lot of people who see this for the first time are the ones who are going to speak up and say. Why would god do that. Why would abraham do that and that energy is what. I'm trying out with that question because if that's when the people who then helped of time kind of feel that spark again we'll i've never heard somebody say it that way you know like you hearing about balon from your partner like oh. I didn't realize you could think that way about this. And or when my grandma goes on a five minute beautiful drage on something and everybody is just sitting there getting to hear it. And i mean my grandma is an elder katie but she is very new to torah and loves it and i think that's part of it as as we're listening to each other truly and honestly discussion. We're all getting to be in that presence in that energy and the joy of somebody who studying for the first time and that piece of comes out including from me. I'll hear stuff every single class. That i had never thought about was not what i expected. People to be focused on was not what i expected anybody to have thought of or reference or bring into our conversation and i feel so grateful every single time for those comments. I don't want to focus on this. But i do want to put as been levy says sticky on it or to at least mention this whole business about your grandma and your family. I think actually is huge. Because what we've been trying to talk about on judaism unbound where my head is more and more is space that somewhere between a person who's just doing something on their own and in organization that needs a million dollars of funding and that starts with some kind of small group like imagine starting an organization not as starting an organization but as starting it as a small group and then it just naturally becomes an organization over time because more and more people get attracted to it and it feels to me like the ultimate example of that is just doing something with your family. And you know here. Your grandmother becomes a superstar studies student and then she's bringing all her friends and whatever and over time. That's how these things naturally grow. And i often think that some of the desperation of the jewish community and jewish funders to have something exciting makes everybody flocked to the idea of starting a new big organization as opposed to funding or facilitating lots of amazing experiments. Like this it just feels very natural very exciting to me that this whole idea so i just wanted to kind of flag that you can talk about that if you want but i also wanted to go back to this other comment that you made about just being in natural teacher because as you were saying that i was thinking about again. What if we reorient our understanding of jewish education or at least a certain segment of jewish education. And i'm also wondering by the way they talking about this at your education school where it's much more important whether somebody is a good teacher then what they know. And that's for two reasons. One people can always learn new things. They can't offend. Learn to be a great teacher and number two maybe especially for newer students in in an area. You don't ever have to know that much in other words my really amazing fifth grade. Math teacher probably doesn't know the kind of crazy proofs and whatever that my son is now studying in first year calculus. I don't even know what he's talking about. And i think that when you say things like that in jewish education people tend to go. You're dumbing it down. You know you're not taking it seriously. And i'm saying no. There's actually different things that are useful at different stages of connecting with this material and it actually may be that at a certain point when you learn too much you are now no longer appropriate to teach introductory level students anymore because you know too much. What if we thought about it that way. Then how would we orient the structure of jewish education differently. I think a key difference. That's happening here. Verses in a lot of other torres steady spaces is that we often go to torah studies. That are led by a person that we really admire. Because we're there to learn their torah. What i'm really trying to do is find out what you see in it and do everything i can. As an educator to uplift and make you feel excited impassioned and empowered to see what you need to see in that piece of tax. But i think as i started to look for martinez and why Rebecca in the first place is because they agree that that purpose of trying to get other people to find their confidence in their beauty. Torah is why you're coming to the tour studio is one trying to do as space. Y'all i would rather find a really good teacher with just enough background to maneuver around to figure it out. Then i would find somebody who is excited to tell everybody all of their incredible theories. No judgment incredible. I don't have anybody in mind just to be clear. I would much rather find out. My students have to say than what a teacher has to say. And i think that that's an experience of That doesn't always gets translated into other tourist city spaces the more that i'm hearing from you. Maybe i'm like creating this narrative. I'm hearing that it makes sense to me that you were a camp counselor. The way that you're talking about torah study in the way that you're talking about facilitating groups. It feels similar to. I mean i was a camp counselor for a few years and it was at a jewish camp. So i i think about that experience in the context of you know the work i do now in jewish spaces and i say now and i think i've said in the past and i think i'll say you know in decades that in certain ways the most important work i ever have done and maybe ever will do is that i was a camp counselor. If i'm a parent. I think that will be a more important thing but like until then. It's a remarkable rule and there are ways in which what i talk about like the constant. Yes and the constant improv game of summer camp counseling. We're like you are constantly doing everything in your power to take whatever comes out of campers mouth and have it shift the space. Have it contribute to the camp culture. Have like that feels similar to what you're describing with. Wanting to help people find their torah. And have it not be about you because as a camp counselor if you're focus on you that's a real problem so i guess in my off my rocker here. Do you draw connections between camp. Counselor ring i'm using counselors verb in the same way. I use ruby as a verb rabbis verb. Do you draw on that experience in how you facilitate these horror studies. You couldn't be less off track. I don't think there's anything in my life that i do. That doesn't feel like it came from camp but this energy came. Actually i think from my experience as a cit director so i was in charge of the counselor in training program for three years and it will forever be probably the best job of her head because i took this group of seventeen year olds who love camp with their entire heart and are also seventeen and over the course of two months of me teaching them giving them tools and working with them and building relationships. They went from there for camp. Because it's for them because they love it because they are trying to have their best time to people who were actually to take care of other human beings and make camp about other human beings and it was about empowering them with the tools that i have to make them the best counselors possible but the humidity of their their own people. And they're not gonna look like many me's running around being counselors. they're gonna look like their version of counseling. And it really made me think about. If i'm not trying to teach somebody had to be me. I have to give them tools that they can use to make themselves different and better and stronger. And i think that that definitely comes into my teaching of torah. I'm not looking to give people my torah. I wanna give people tools that they can use an immediately absorb so that they are actively doing it on their own. And i have to have that humility to say. I don't get to control what they do with it. Which is the hardest thing. It's hard for us when we talk about the jewish future. It's hard for us when we talk about our kids. It's hard for us when we talk about our work or tweet once it's out in the world we don't get to decide what's going to happen to it. We just have to do our best to make sure that people are given the tools that they need to be their best version of themselves and all of that comes from shoutout to kindling. hilltop camp. Clap clap clap. at the end of it of malibu will no longer unfortunately Both of the wilshire boulevard. Temple camps burned down a few years ago. But those are my homes and They will forever be the reason i am am. I'd love to talk a little bit. About what the torah is in a paradigm like this because it strikes me that when we think about who were talking to in this series that if you talk to academics. They're interested in the truth. What really happened. you know what. What's the actual historical fact here if you talk to people that are coming from a more traditional approach like no no i understand. I don't even that interested in the text. What i'm interested in is what the commentator said about the texture with thomas said about the text. Because that's actually what created judaism and i'm interested in practicing judaism and the idea that we're coming to the torah with neither of those mindsets that were coming to the torah just to read this taxed and in some ways it's like a mirror or however we might think about it as a metaphor. Is there way to see this. As a new way of being jewish that actually surprisingly didn't exist because when in history did anybody ever read the text of the torah and regular people and think about what they thought about it like that i don't think has ever been a practicing judaism until recently so then. Is it something new. Or how do you see the role of tower the purpose of terror when you're committed to an educational approach an approach like you say it's not really about education. It's about practice like yoga. So this is jewish practice. So what what. Judaism is it. So i think this also answers lex question for a while ago that it did not answer yet about what that emotional piece of torah is torah as a story and then as a written book. And then it's something that we've passed down has been the core of judaism for likely more than three thousand years and the fact that we can because we liked to but that we can because people are still reading it at all and it's still relevant. Three thousand years later is nothing short of a miracle for thousand reasons right. I mean thinking about how hard it was to even get here that this book had to keep being worthwhile and read in the rabbinic. Judaism had to keep it at the core. All of those things to me. When i read torah i feel connected to that entire lineage. To all three thousand of those years that weather this is your spiritual or literal ancestor. Who was reading this book or not reading this book. This was the book they were or were not reading. This is the book that they were doing. The meets vote from or not for all time until we got here and to be part of that conversation not just with commentators who are only nine hundred years old but with people who are the rabbis with people who we just assume we're having these same feelings in conversations or if not the same feelings than the same inclinations to question elaborate in growth from is so special is such a honor and a blessed to be a part of that on any given wednesday night being in conversation with text. No matter how you're doing. It is what i'm trying to create because if we can have a regular casual easygoing conversation with tour as part of our lives then it becomes either the thing that we are deviating from knowingly or the thing that we are bringing with us knowingly as we build a stronger new type of judy is a new vision of judaism with taurus. Still at the center in this conversation and in many other jewish conversations. We have used the word torah in two very different ways and we have not fully explained. The differences between those two is. And i think a note to jewish educators and rabbis and everybody we should explain what these ways are when we're doing it because i think it's confusing to to jews especially those who aren't jewish but first off we have used the phrase the torah genesis exodus leviticus numbers deuteronomy. Those are five books that collectively make up the torah with that definite article. The next level is sort of torah which still with like a capital t which i think sort of refers to this is less clear-cut but it's sort of a to those five books and like the raw. She's you've talked about and like the commentator like sort of traditional sources that are relating to the torah but are not themselves sort of the tour. I think sometimes people say torre and they mean that realm the third way which i am deeply interested in which you used before beautifully is talking about leon is torah. My torah torah which is not leon is five books of moses. It's it's not that. It's i think it's this deeply intimate it gets at the emotional pieces right. It's the steeply intimate idea of sort of someone's almost like soul teachings. It's a very deep idea. Like people have within them. Teaching like must come out there torah and in facilitating a space like this or even as being participant with it's not facilitating in a space. Like this you can come to understand what it is. Is your personal torah. I would love to hear from you a little bit about that. Distinction between like lower case t torah an individual persons torah and the torah the five books. Because i think that as much as we're doing this unit of episodes unlike the torah or on the bible more generally term. We are as interested or more interested in how the torah can sort of mobilize people's torres people's individual toro's as we are in that set of five books. I really appreciate that distinction. 'cause i do sometimes play on that people know that there's different levels of torah. Being a part of this conversation. I teach torah study capital. T. torah five bucks. A moses torah once a week. But i used torah interest that he knowing that it was an expansive understanding of the teachings of our people because torah means the teachings in means the fact that the what god taught us on sinai is where that comes from. There's also believed that. What god taught us on sinai was both the written torah casualty expansive t and also oral torah. The torah that. We're passing down. And i think i like to include our layer of torah at my personal layer over. Torah is part of oral. Torah is part of that tradition from cyanide. Down till now. Until i got it and i can add my layer of torah on top of it. The dan can layer his layer of torah of his torah. end altogether. That mixing all of it together. And i hope to be teaching all of that. I hope to be teaching. Literal five bucks. A moses talmud tannock which is the other which includes the other two sections of torres. We understand it which is writings in prophets. All the while with the understanding that you are building your own layer of interpretation. Your own oral torah your own way of how that affects your morality. How that affects your life hazardous affects the way you read. That word layered on top of what you're reading nourishing. Both of those feels very important to me. This has been awesome for folks who are hearing this and are like a. I wanna go to leonidas awesome session with the caveat of what you said before. It's not just about learning your torah. 'cause you're great it's also finding what if they want that. How could they do that and be if they want to. Connect with you to start up something comparable. How would they do that. So you can find us at the tourist studio dot org or on instagram at torres studio and you can email me at the torah studio gmail.com. I'd be happy to talk about. Your torah. means to you. How you wanna study torah or how you wanna teach door were on zoom for hopefully forever if for also get to be imprinted which means that you can come to one of our classes in really love to learn with you. Thank you so much liana. This has been fantastic conversation. Thank you so much. This has been a dream come true. Well we love that. It's a dream come true. Thank you again liana. Thank you for all of you out there listening one little note before we fully close out the episode is that the torah studio and the men were partners of ours on our initiative this year. Poor live which was just a huge success and we actually have the full video recording of that event it was this wild journey through all ten chapters of the book of esther. We have that recording on our website. We encourage you to check it out at judaism unbound dot com slash p. u. r. I m twenty twenty one and we hope that you'll stay tuned because there may be other collapse coming up between the torres studio and judaism unbound those are on the horizon before too long anyway now he will close out this episode. There are a wide variety of ways that you can be in touch with us if you have questions or thoughts or anything related to this episode or any other and we love when we hear from listeners and here are all those ways i you can go to our facebook page. Judaism unbound second. 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Episode 245: Her Torah - Yael Kanarek

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Episode 245: Her Torah - Yael Kanarek

"Support for this episode of Judaism unbound comes from the Osman Family JCC in Palo Alto California whose vision is to be the architects of the Jewish future. The Schmidt Family JCC's is an incubator for new expressions of Jewish identity. It creates innovative Jewish learning celebrations, arts programs that inspire personal connections to people and ideas from across the Jewish world learn more at www dot palo alto JCC dot org. This is Judaism unbound episode two, hundred, forty, five, her Torah. Welcome back everyone I'm Dan Lee Benson and Lex Roessberg, and on the subject that we've been thinking about over the last few weeks feminism and the American Jewish community. This week's project takes it to a new level. Our guest today artists L. Anorak has been working since two thousand sixteen on an incredible project called Terata, which means her Torah to rewrite the entire. Torah. The entire five books of Moses or the Pentateuch. In Hebrew and English to reveal the divine feminine as a central presence in the Hebrew sacred texts. She's doing this by regenerating the Bible meaning that male characters become female and vice versa words and concepts that are written in the masculine and Hebrew are switched to the feminine and Vice Versa, and we'll discuss all this indepth. The first draft of Torre ta in Hebrew was completed in April of twenty twenty and yet. is currently working with Bible. Scholar Tamar Biala. On the second draft, they're also already writing commentaries to this work and L. records been creating visual Madrid seem as fine art prints, exploring ideas in Jewish thought through letters and form Bait terata dot org the home for study in ritual of this re gendered Bible was inaugurated just recently on the holiday of Torah with a service led by two rabbis recent Judaism, unbound guests, Vera Rivera, and emily. Cohen Bay Torah aims to lead by example, with Jewish study and ritual held entirely in women's body language. You can visit this evolving site at www dot Beta rata dot org that's B. E. T. T. O. R. A.. H. Dot Org and just a few more words on today's guest. Yeah L. Kanak in addition to her work on Tura she is a visual artist and jewelry designer whose practice focuses on the relationship between language and form. She works in various media such as Internet. Art Large, scale sculpture, and fine. Jewelry. Yell Ken Iraq was born in New York City and raised in Israel. She returned in the early nineteen nineties to study and practice art and became known for her Internet are trilogy world of. She has exhibited her work at the Jewish Museum the Whitney Museum, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art and many more. She is the recipient of fellowships from the Rockefeller new media grant IBM, and lava the laboratory for Jewish culture where she designed the Hebrew Font goofy need for her jewelry collection in two thousand eighteen she installed a large scale sculpture commissioned by the US Department of State at the new embassy in Zimbabwe. Yeah. L.. is also an artist in residence at the ROMEU congregation? In New York City. I'll just note that in our conversation, we will talk about Torah, her Torah or this re gendered Bible Project, and sometimes about Toronto his era by which we mean the Torah as we've had it for thousands of years, and I should also note that the goal is not to replace thereto with Tara but rather for tower attached stand alongside Toronto as a work, of Jewish, sacred literature, and with that, we could not be more excited to get into this conversation so you. Welcome to Judaism unbounded so great to have you. Absolutely. So glad to be here. I'll tell you this is one of the projects that I. I would say I'm most excited about in the last five years. So I'm really I'm really excited to have this conversation because it's exactly the kind of bold. We've talked about Luther versus knowledge curve. In a good way to re gender the entire, Bible. So or the entire at least maybe I'll get to the Bible down the road. The Bible right you heard it here first folks. Can, we start by you telling us a bit of the story of how you came to take on this project. So about I think fifteen years ago I I was asked to lead a Seder I picked up doggone dynamic has reading through stumbled on came to a denial to analysts scratching my head is Deny Floral Might Lords Lucchino. Our Gods my lords guides is like okay. Wow. I haven't heard that before. Haven't noticed continued booklets stiffs redid like that the whole way and I was shocked to realize that there are no women I gotta except for the song. Miriam, women. Like I've been doing this year after year. And never heard that and what else am I not hearing? But at some point arrived at I, was studying from a a man rabbi. He was teaching sleep men, and at some point he said I actually don't know how to teach women and then he also said something that at some point you have to start building the vessels for the divine you have to start being the creator of those vessels and I was thinking I don't have anything to work with I mean I don't have language to work with. A The only thing that I have received was that I might position as. A help mate, I. Don't have the direct relationship to bail Levin. So that was frustrating and then it really stern no books at all it's like A. The library is missing. I went to a class and were studying one of the major shame that can make cringe. Like what if it was the other way round I mean how that would feel to a man to read that an the teacher literally said you know cannot be changed in him an artist would I hear something like that like interesting let's see. Let's see how that works in a went home and tied. Winter, the beginning 'cause that's where I felt that the critical moment is when they elohim creates the dom in his likeness and image. Male and female created them. That there's some code in there might be of help innate. So I went home and a did okay and looking. Created that Harare in her likeness image that's where where was it that particular moment female male created them. Looking at that wall. That's really interesting. Suddenly fail back the volume like literally volume of the texts went from two to ten. Can you say a little bit more just to just For a listener who may not be intimately familiar with the beginning of the genesis story in the Bible as we have it the Toronto the male version of the Bible the God Elohim Creates the Adam The adum his wife down the road is named Eve or Hover And your re gendered version. You have the Feminine Version L.. O. Heen. Who is creating something that sound like. Or Eve, but you've actually changed a little bit. So it's Ova. So just to set, is there that you are kind of rewriting the the story of the creation of human beings are you've written human beings also that in a way that that really fundamentally reoriented around the first creation being of this women this Cova? And that's how and when that happens your experience of it is is it's blowing why what? What was it that you that you saw as soon as you did that For SELENA understood agency. That's a different way of looking at the world that that that was that moment any I start to understand. The divine inspiration coming through me through other discount mother daughter lineage. Now, let's look at the world through that. So. That was really really quite quite a revelation in that. It was naturally like, okay. What else is here? Let's just do the whole thing. It later I. Found know the one of the tools which allow fight you know I'm as a contemporary artists are trained to take things apart and rebuild them. I always tried to look under the hood turn something on its head. There's a long history within the Jewish tradition of plowing a really kind of going to Texas finding words in other words, common words are taken apart and re shuffle or letters are changed. You Know Ali fine or some scene or change to reveal other meaning. And for me this is this is like you know this is building blocks for you know for making up making arts. You know this is how I love that what's so In looking there is the end the nothing. There's the. These away looking or Alah Goddess. There is in the mirror of the the end of Levin. In the beginning you get the me. So now in him, you have this really interesting relationship between the I the self. The nothing. And in between the things and I think this is a really interesting layer of the Phoenician for for the word leam the define that it's really encompassing with it. Their relationship that the self has with the infinite at those very nice way to start the Torre ta story, and now we're not even talking about sexual organs. Now, if people feel they need that, it's always gonNA be into dilatot is not going anywhere. In. The whole idea of the is not to come in a race total. The idea of attack is to open these stories to the perspective of women when the divine inspiration comes directly through mother daughter religion because now with this full agency through the story, we can build and create new meaning and we don't even know what that means is. Can you talk to us about like what actually is changing? Because I think somebody I don't want somebody to listen and be like okay. Cool. Change the genders great like the story is still the same. But like now different characters are existing because it's sort of the matter now women like a deeper than that. The Action Foundation of what the story is changes. I'd love for you to open up for us what that looks like and I mean maybe I'm thinking of what you did with the story of Abraham and Sarah who become Abraham and Sarah. All their names in that part of the story change. Isaac to I. I. Won't spoil what all the names are. Let's talk about that. But what happens in this text when you move forward from that initial story and you go into the remainder of genesis, the other books like how do things change when we do more of this gender flipping in the text of the Torah? So. Abraham means high father Meanti so became Ama- mother. Sarah. It was so I. I. But we ended up with Sal. We could trace the source for the name in. It's close in after she became becomes Sarah with the hey, means ministers. So we went with Sal. These are the high characters had gal became the stranger. It mean there in the letters and it fits into her role in the way she connects to that. You know I think. One of the really striking differences are actually in another story and that's the story of Mercia when was Schayes born and she's put in a in a basket on the on that tour. the what we call the Nile in Hebrew it's yet all but it also means it has the words a light will come. Will become and change it to take. In the feminine form. I think what's interesting there is that it's now more shah. means she will lift out of the water. It literally means that so more share becomes more shah. But it's now the son of her who comes down to the river and he sees the the bay, the child girl baby girl, and is her his heart goes to her and it's now her brother who overlooks from a distance and it's her father is now cold to nurse her. So what we were able to do is Bring men into the child caring. Part of life these are men we know in our lives, but they never had voice in these particular narratives or in the context of what we consider as reverend or something to protect and. In this is really a beautiful and the way we did that is that the furby allowed to give birth is used interchangeably for for women and men in the story. So we just added conceive. We added nurse and what happens is that the understanding of these words start to change you know if you want to imagine men becoming pregnant and nursing children, you could do that but we can also understand these words as caring for children in. Now, the daughters are the prime child. The father is built in his society he gains value from having daughters. We never ever ever hear that at all ever in our. In. Our world. That it's starts to change the mind. It starts to send the signals to remind to ask for a rebalancing. It takes women or at least my consciousness out of place in conflict tried to fight for a place I don't have to find for place. Here's the place. That's what it looks like. It always pretty absolutely not thrice pretty. And there are a lot of very difficult stories to negotiate. When the story difficult that's when. We make a greater effort at them in. That's where new new conversations start to come up. I just want to reemphasize for our listeners that like you were just saying with very few exceptions when it was absolutely necessary, you didn't add anything new here. You're simply `gendering the Bible and so there's there's no additional paragraphs here. It's more what happens to you as a reader when you start to see it this way and you notice things like you're saying. So in that particular story, what I noticed is that when Adam and Eve leave the garden of Eden, right we we think of it as they ate from the tree of knowledge and they realized they were naked and so God gave them some clothes. You know and that's kind of how we understand it and you could say, well, they they understood sexuality and so they were showing that a cover that whatever it is. But what really comes through in the way that you have it in reinforced by how you're talking about this is fundamentally birth process is that they were given skins meaning they were given their skin more that they were. They didn't have human beings didn't have skin they. They were bones and flesh that you is something that's in the original text, but you don't quite see it unless you're brought into it through this more his metaphor of birth. I mean I love now the creation of a woman. Is is really interesting as the first creation is the ability to sense. The second creation is where more material starts to come on. The VAA is created from breath and desktop the earth and the man is created out of bones and flesh out of by the fact that he's brought to her, she calls him each. By that, she makes her selfish acids. Another layer of becoming the these creatures is conscious creatures than they're brought into the celestial wound. They're like children in their behavior July didn't do that do that. You did that you know it's like that kind of level of conversation and then there's the moment where their birth begins by the fact that they start to experience themselves as separate. And it's a painful separation. You Know L. O. Heen wants to you know it's kind of it's hard to let them go. Basically what she's telling them is what's going to be outside the womb. It can't be as you know comforting you don't have that kind of protection. And she dresses them with skin. It's no sin it has to happen and it's messy. There's one story that I wanted to ask you about in part because it's on my mind because we recently did a project about it, which is the binding of Isaac Story. In the in this version, the binding of kids, clock and. The reason why it struck me particularly reading it in this region underway was because I there was a particular. Video that was made in our project on the binding of Isaac by a mother in Orthodox women who who son came out as gay and that was. Seeing negativity in parts of that community and that in a way she felt that the community was asking her to sacrifice her son by basically moving away from him. Because of his sexual orientation and she refused to do that, she refused to sacrifice her son very powerful video. It actually went kind of pseudo viral and a certain element of Orthodox community because I think people really felt the power of it and. It can't be really thinking about that story before I even knew about your project that. Would this story really have been possible. If if Judaism had come from a kind of divine feminine point of view, right meaning what a feminine God ask for. Human. Sacrifice. Would a would a mother? Really Be Willing to sacrifice her daughter in the way that Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son. Well the question that this really allows us to raise is do we really think that at father can take their son to sacrifice them? How Atlanta with us now, but it allows us to think about how do we? What do we? How do we sacrifice our daughter for? and. Now, we can all be at the table you know because otherwise there. Sarah. She doesn't know she doesn't know things were you know stories have been written about that smell? But her voice she's not even there. So now MRI minds in the room and talk, which literally means heat she laugh is in the room. and. We did the first ever on this Pasha and we did it Toto Toyota to line by line during GEN network event. And while. That was really really amazing. You know having agency in the story even if the story is not pretty is. I can't even tell you how free. In I think he can have a bigger conversation I mean you can even say things like, okay Abraham is taking the talk. To sacrifice her or or immunize tastes taking, he talked to sacrifice him. I mean when you have two sides of the story. Than they can start to mate. I think that is that we have about what women can or cannot do are really are opening up and we've been it's been a relatively short period of time in human history that we've been seeing this and so one of the things that I love about Dr Ties that I'm not coming to it from the point of view what I think. Women are shoot would or would not do I'm putting it on the table on. St. Let's have station. But that because we're in the process of discovery you know is is at the end of it no, it's like one point Oh totally Onepointoh big project for one point. Oh but it has to be one coon. No, we have to have library of. Sacred Books that speak of women's experience in the secret terms we need to have that not only women for everyone. I also have to say that I don't necessarily think that this would solve the social order. But informs it in in really bright in very bright light is like x Ray. I mean, there are languages did not have gender systems are still designed to enhance mine even when people say So why not just go straight to not binary. We're. Not Than Binary. The perspectives in which things are moving in the world are designed in the in a man's mind. We need to know what the email mind is. For me what's so liberating and exciting about this project is so there's two layers. One is just the new text in and of itself a whole new set of options for interpretation I. Mean You hinted at this before but like The Way Jewish interpretation works in traditional texts and even less traditional text is like honing in on letters and were and like playing around with the specific letters in the all of a sudden I was thinking to myself. Oh. If if I inhabited a parallel universe or this universe where the characters aim Rommel once again where the first two letters are olof. Men instead of olive bet all of a sudden I'd be thinking Oh in Hebrew. The word team is the same letters Alef meme. If so like all of a sudden, it can be like, oh, the father there I am slipping the mother of Jews aim. Rama or Abraham. Like is like I. I could make the interpretive claim that like the mother of IFS. If mother the high if these are all creative translations of Aim Rama and then I could do like my whole thing about Judaism is a is a is a liturgy of questions in arguments ifs and like I could do a whole thing with that and maybe it sounds ridiculous when the first time we do it. But if you do that and then one hundred years pass all of a sudden that's traditional. We could easily do that. That's. That's how it's made. It me really like riled up and energized. But like I'm flashing to a class I took in rabbinical school last year where this didn't involve changing any tax. This was actually. We, did a we read like a scholarly journal Article, I'm blanking on the name, but I'm going to try to find it and put it in the show notes on our website. This scholarly article took an approach to the book of Ruth. So Not Torah the book of Ruth and encouraged a homo normative reading. It, which as opposed to a Hetero normative reading where you assume as a general rule in a Hetero normative reading that like people are heterosexual. So like you assume that a woman would be attracted to a Manusama, man would be attractive women Homo normative re reading assumes as the norm that men would be attracted to men and women be to all of a sudden the root the Naomi. Parts in the book of Ruth for those who haven't read. It like I encourage you to read it in this way like the ruth and Naomi Parts feel really really fascinating and interesting when you're assuming as a starting point that women are interested in women and there's also stuff with Bo is this other this guy character where he has some interesting tension with this sort of sideline male character that you don't spot if you're not thinking of it if you don't spotted if you're thinking in a Hetero normative way. With this does for me is it's really not just about. Switching one piece it opens up choice. It allows us to to make choices as readers and say, Oh, today Abraham can be a male figure because that serves. This particular look at the book of Genesis, and then tomorrow Abrahama is a female character because that. By the way I have no problem asserting. Gets to broader questions about like I have no problem asserting that one person can perform to use the Judith Butler term a different gender identity at different points in their story. I think that's that's perfectly possible, and so then the question is like, what do we do? Right? So my question is like wh- what would you encourage people to do with this liberating incredible set of possibilities of like oh? We have all these choices. What does somebody leading text study do with that? What is somebody reading do? What that? What somebody dislike looking to grow spiritually do without like what does it actually mean for people that are working with these texts? Just recently started. Down, with a weekly service. Led by rabbi, Niro, Rivera, and Rabbi Emily Cohen. If you, for example a person who's Connect to Judaism through ritual come to our rituals because all the prayers are in the female form. So old familiar prayers now are you you're going to stumble upon them and you're GonNa we hear them and so that's you know a way to do this kind of or have or or meets or patriarchal conditioning. It's a really good way to meet that. If you're person likely who likes to. Go deep into the tax take part in you know who likes to live in their. You know we're going to have many source sheets in different parts that you can start engaging and. Commentary, huge. So how what if learned from doing this is first of all, there's this big tree of story and it continued. Past Toronto Nathen to Christianity in Mormonism, and he's Lomb and other religions in Reno. Different than denominations it really comes to life with commentaries. Savannah additional stories So if you don't have patients to wait for me for us to do that, go ahead and do it. You know these stories are in public domain the belong to all of us, and if you feel inclined in WanNa, do go ahead and do it. You know if you need to hear this in throwing, go ahead and do it. It's our it's our stories. I wanted to ask you some questions about basically being an artist and how you approach this as an artist because in a way the part of why I'm so excited about this project is I've been fantasizing for years about this hypothetical artist who understands that the medium of art is Judaism itself. Right in other words, we think of an artist is somebody who's GonNa make him Nice Jewish somebody who's going to make some Nice Jewish paintings. When I talking about an artist I'm talking about somebody who comes and says my canvas or my paints is Judaism you know and but rather than seeing Judaism, the way that we're up and trained to see which is that basically Judaism is a piece of art that somebody else made and it's our job to either copy it very, very exactly like you almost think of a first year art students sitting in the museum and trying to. Trick trying to paint that exact picture. And it looks like a Rembrandt but it's not a rembrandt because Rembrandt the rembrandt you you just copied it, and in a way that that's kind of some version of that is how we're we're trained to imagine our relationship with Judaism and I think for a lot of us, that's not very exciting and so I've been talking about this this hypothetical artists that will come along and. Show us what it looks like when you take the material of Judaism itself and like you were saying earlier, know just naturally take it apart and put it back together years ago I talked to Ruth Calderon who we've had it in the show who runs a basically a tablet or a Jewish text study organization primarily focused on artists in Israel and I asked her why did You focus on artists and she said it's because you know I don't have to train an artist to do that taking part in putting back together. That's just what they do. So I have to do is teach them the text and then they're going to do interesting things with it. So I would love to hear how you reflect on that as an artist and the story of. Coming to this, and if you were trying to say to encourage people that were listening to this to come with that orientation to other elements of Judaism, how would you describe the artist's way in Judaism? So for me the only way to actually know something to make. I don't remember very well the only way for me to understand something is through making. I think the the description you you brought up, but the artist going to the museum to copy Rembrandt screamed because I've done a lot that even recently in whatever doing that is that I'm able by doing that is slipped my hand into the VINCIS hand. If I really followed closely his lines I can. Embody him. or his movement on the paper, I can really can really feel it. So and way children learn the fastest three mutation we learned through imitation as the greatest tool for learning. So I started asking civil case hallways is this done? So I was like, okay let me try and do it was like, okay. That's how it works. Commentary because we're so trained to receive it as like this monolithic thing, you can't touch, but we made it. Just ran into. This is a you know the precursor story for the flood is in the the epic of Gilgamesh, which is a much older. And one of the thing So it describes what what is brought into the. Family members and the CRAFTSMAN. The. Artists. They bring the artist in to the Chris. And that was dropped in the you know in the in the genesis for with the story, the artists are out. But if you go to any synagogue without the craftsman big this fleece civilised down without the you know the people who are make everything visualizing everything without the musicians that you don't have religion. Really you don't. There's nothing there what he's going to be left with who is GonNa be there to comment on anything in a seat also in texts for their texted I personally love, for example, the the texts where. They start to work on the crafted the building of the of the the Covenant. And more shackles on. Layla but are- daughters. Considered. Arunachal just to clarify the yes. The Tabernacle and lay means. But I, La the shadow of goddess daughter of my lights. This is the kind of mental space you need to start working on the different aspects of the Tabernacle. I feel when I read this text now I could feel my fingers. tickling. ooh Yes I'm right there right there with a text I know what this is. I. Know How to make that work. is fantastic or win more shah. Showed receives the tablets. The first set of tablets is made by lean. Right we you know. They said it's made out of stone, but they're kind of liking written from both sides. She takes him down there. No good. Clearly because the people are completely different space mental space these are probably undecipherable for those people they got a break, but then elohim tells more shot to scope them. She uses the word Sculpture Live within an what I'm right there with her I know what you'd facility means I know what's coming means how you do this kind of cutting projecting a piece of yourself into material I know how it feels I know what it means I. Know What she's doing there has she's projecting had been self into this work because it needs to come from the bottom. And when she goes up Elaine. Says I will write on the tablet but it's no it's more shallow rights on the tablet. So I know that to you know as an artist I know what these things mean from experience. Could never ever even dream to know any of this auto I would not even consider I'm part of that in any way at all bits selectmen we is that other person that's the difference that it's there's no, it's right in happening within my domain of experience. It's very scary for people I get it. You know I get it but the view is amazing if US amazing. I love that you talked about the tablets and the idea of sculpting and sculpture with the Tabernacle League. I often think about sculpture and one of the best lessons I ever got growing up in school like one of the few things that I actually like vividly remember from growing up in school was my art teacher when we were going to the art museum for a field trip said to us like it is very important that when you look at the sculptures and we had like whatever worksheets we were supposed to do with the museum like Oh, who who was the sculptor for this thing who like what was the story behind the like to make sure we actually read the descriptions were and the The Art Teacher said to us. When you look at the sculptures, you have to walk all the way around it and you have to look at it from all the different sites because if you look from just the side where the label is like, you're only going to see part of the story, you're only going see it from one perspective. So you gotta walk around the whole thing. So clear what I'm doing here like this is a metaphor it I also mean it literally like is actually a literal thing that when you look at a sculpture, a statue from different sides, you actually see different thing. But also it's a metaphor, right like you. You're you're bound to understand something new about a text if you look at it from a different angle from a different perspective and in this case with different pronouns so I'd that sculpture piece sort of brought that to me. So I think the the other piece I wanted to bring up though is you've actually been even more ambitious than it might have sounded thus far, which is only mean that positively folks thus far would know that you have taken on the project of rewriting. The Torah with changing the different genders. What you've also done as you started to do commentary I. Loved. You sent us a few prep documents and you sent us like these these little commentaries on the new text which honestly, I think four a tradition that there are some Jews, not all Jews and but like there are some Jews for whom the Torah that you can't really even learn the Torah without looking at the commentaries there people who really only read it through the Lens of the Medieval commentators. And their interpretations of the text and so like when people are reading the Torah, it's almost like you've got two fingers that you've gotTa have a one as your finger is on the the CORTEX in the middle of the page and a clue in one of the five books of Moses Books, and the other finger is in the side commentary to understand what the different interpretations are. You already given some of those interpretations from the new, Torre, Ta Angle, and I'm curious. Is Your Vision there that you yourself Will make you called it the heat the Canary Commentary because your name is close to Canary. Was Awesome and there's also the dates honey commentary because you're because tomorrow means date and your your co commentator is is named Tamar which I love those those word plays but that's awesome. Is your idea there that you're going to do this that the two of you are going to do commentary for the whole thing in addition to all the the core text that you're doing or is the thought like, Hey, everyone let's do this commentary like here's an example that I the canary commentator given now your turn like what's your take on? One of the things that happens the commentary just emerges in the process of rendering. As we really like Oh. Wow that's an interesting idea. Okay. Let's write it down and then it also We felt that some of the new Texas so could be confusing for people. So it's sort of to help especially with the names. If you don't know the meaning of the names, you're actually missing important method in which the story tells the story. So it. Actually a really important suggests even clarifying that you can say it's complicated but now absolutely, yeah come on board. Yeah. But you have to remember in this is hard to see unless I mean I can see clearly but it's hard to see from the when we live in the total side of things is that you have to grow new mind and. So you have to be the texts for awhile before in new minute otherwise you're doing commentary from Toronto and that we know so well. So it's very hard to shake that off it, but I should tell you also that in the process we're doing well, always go back we go to Mars. It will scholars so she brings from that. Then we go to go there. You know win especially when the verses are a very obscure and when you wouldn't know holiday dealt with certain words names and like that. But yeah, the idea is that this is a living Torah. It's not we're not finishing anything. We're just I just opened the door, but this has to be the collective. It has to be in the same way that it is a collective work. It has to be whoever is client and I'm saying if you if this is uncomfortable for you, it's perfectly fine. It's up for you know a S- you know there's A? Huge. Library. Enormous Library. But if you're like inclined to discover if you are seeking that kind of discovery is something really interesting that is becoming available here. This is my take on it have another take. We need that because that's how we can see better. That's how we can see better. Also, the other thing we did that we learned that was really striking is that we have to also. Change. The gender of the sacrificial animals that was in the binding of Isaac story too by the way the. Little little moment where it's a yell at instead of a`do. Rocked my world yes and imagine that in the invitee Kara the vindicates when with all the sacrificial animals, all the law run sacrifice. So now it's a cow and it's you know these are. We did it because it felt different. You know it felt different. We heard it differently and that people described in these stories are very close to their animals. So you feel this kind of intimacy. So as we wrap it up, I wanna ask you again about the process of creating this, I want to ask you a little bit about the experience of doing this because when you talk, there's a certain element where I almost feel like the spirit of prophecy is coming over. You know where where there's something where you read in the Bible of sometimes when that happens to some of the prophets or King Saul, it talks about that you know. The spirit of prophecy comes over him and I'm just curious if you could talk a little bit about the feeling of being immersed in it for years and years, and are you channeling something? Do you feel like you're channeling something and if so what is it that you're channeling? That's question number one, the other question. Is Can you talk a little bit about? Having had this experience. What do you think we could do in the Jewish world today that would enable more people to engage in the kind of creative work in which you've engaged. I mean, you said that there's some people that part of it is innate part of it is just you an artistic type but I think there are a lot of artistic types that may not have gone become professional artists and there are others who many not know whether they are whether they aren't. Are there are there is there a pathway that you imagine might be a pathway that would help people kind of get onto a pathway of their experience of Judaism being one of creativity and imagination and play and reshaping rather than the experience that I think most of us have had in our Jewish upbringings educations. Let me say that again because my dog barked in our Jewish upbringings in education. So I will try answer the first one. When did it the first time in realize that there's a lot more here is filling a door opened. When a felt that the the other feeling of Kim immediately afterward, what is that I am not allowed to keep it for myself. I absolutely. It's my obligation to make it. No. So whoever needs it? Can have it. It's not an expression of my ego. I happened to be there I happen to be the person who has the I dunno the combination of tools and hold spa. I have kind of a personality defect. They don't house in innate reverence for authority. I mean you could come with a good argument the next day. Okay. Yeah. Except that. A great argument, but just defoe, that someone is Robert not arrive by doesn't mean anything to me so I don't know it's hard. It's a little hard. You know sometimes something something like that. Things like that Landon people you know on just regular people just a regular person not even going to hide. You'RE NOT GONNA try to pretend that I'm a profit or anything like that. No, I am Yale artists. This is the story, but there's also you know the spiritual practices practice instruction was to create vessels for the divine and this does. The other question is you know it's very hard to you have taught art. You can. Try and you know give. Doing. It's not complicated I. Mean it's available to anyone. why it hasn't happened I mean that's something people ask me is that that happened in variations of that have happened. But it didn't take them far enough because the question is not the god God is an obstruction. The question is human relations. and. It didn't go past. You Know There's May feminization of the God language but not. That switch of the human relationship that's the where it's happening. In that's what we've done. Thank you so much Ao Kendrick for joining us hasn't been a fantastic conversation. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I wish I could talk for another ten hours which to plow into. Yes another ten. It'd be awesome. Who knows we'll see. We'll see when the next good opportunity is to have you back on. We'd love to have more of these conversations. Thank you so much and thank you to all of you out there for listening. We hope you've enjoyed this episode as a reminder like Dan mentioned at the top. You can learn more about this project about this Torah top project at Bait. Torre TA DOT Org. THAT'S BE I. T. T. O. R. T. A. H. DOT Org. You can learn more about you and more about the project all sorts, good stuff, and you can contact her and learn what Europe can be in this project moving forward because like she said, this is a collective effort. So thank you for listening. Again, we want to close out this episode in the same. Way that we always do encouraging you to be in touch with us, and there are a wide variety of ways for you to do that. 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EP 108 - MISINFORMATION MISTAKES: Masai Ujiri Video Released, Arrowhead Stadium Opening Night, MLB & Unwritten Rules, Lakers Lose Game 1 to POR & more

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So, the elections are heating up. Outta really know shit about the peel also this shit house and all that stuff I. Mean I kind of knew about it in high school and. Not that I didn't give a fuck I care enough to know look man people like go why Blah Blah look in short go out and vote you know what I mean like in long doesn't whole lot of Shit that you need to understand fires fucked the left right on someone when it comes to laws and. Propositions shit everything just like anyways, I'M GONNA. Talk about something else. I want to talk about misinformation being spread with people who have massive platforms and these are people who mean to do this shit. You know they don't mean harm. They're trying to spread good information but they don't know they're just like you know you people get caught up they don't WanNa fact check they don't WanNa go out and do any research and you know if you notice in the last week or so people keep posting like one of my friends she kinda like ten million dollars and she posted a bunch of US trucks. Like tow trucks carrying like fifteen twenty standalone mailboxes like two or three different trucks and stuff saint. All man that you know trump is having the mailboxes taken away and this and that whatever. And it's like you know the fact is those pictures from two thousand sixteen. And what what pisses me off his this fucks up our country even more. You know it gives the idiot trump supporters more ammo when they don't have a lot of ammo he don't like they're chasing smoke. It's stupid. And then they shouldn't have any animal. Especially when it comes to him. And I know this first hand because about three years ago I was looking for a mailbox. I was driving down the street him house was like I know it's going to be mailbox I seem boxes all the time you know I lived in a condo hotel. So you know for the front desk boom and in your house yes you know you have the mailbox like the fuck and put the thing how anybody got time for that Shit and not even know how to use the shit never have inflammatory life. Okay. Go to my gate and be like, okay. We say fuck that some looking from mailbox and got the shit. I'm like Asshole I'm driving for like fifteen minutes and they know mailboxes they used to have on every single corner in every neighborhood on every fucking block everywhere I don't know what the fuck happen I don't know why they're gone but they're gone. And even recently I decided I, was like you know what? Fuck this I had a meal out something for my insurance. For My car insurance is some shit. Just like two weeks ago three weeks ago. and. I started to drive around again, just looking I looked on the main streets. Main streets. Let me go to some like I mean digger streets and they'll let me go to a major street and there wasn't shit. I had to physically go to the fucking post office. They had like a line of the mailboxes in front of post office. and. Thank God I had stamped fuck-ass stamps right. But I did and I'm Melda should off it's annoying as fuck and it was man again I'm not big on politics. Okay. But I know all my listeners of behind the bother I know all you guys aren't in New York and Kelly. I think a lot. You guys aren Kelly right but not everyone is. So please go out and vote. Because trump ain't gonNA win new. York and California worried about that. You know what I mean. We need to get fucked. Texas Florida Arizona And what are the are the fucking big swing states and shit like that. You know figure out which way is best for you to get out and get it poppin. You know whether if it's GonNa be mail get that shit done early you know at the end of the day and I mean. Shit. Today This relates to just everything that's going on in I've just went right into this and this is the only shung talk about when it comes to cove it. Okay and I'm sorry look man. Is. Want just jump right into it today. We have about a hundred deaths in seven major countries I and those seven major countries like Germany. Japan. fucking France these places had bad. And today in the USA, we have over thirteen hundred deaths. I. The populations of the countries mentioned above four, hundred, forty, million. I and they're at just under one hundred deaths. We got population of three, hundred, twenty, eight, million, and we're still at thirteen hundred deaths like this shit is like man I'm telling you. It wasn't handled. Properly. Look kids already starting school. My nieces. Although fucking baby girl nieces man they just turned eighteen yesterday they leave for college tomorrow. You know. I. Only try to say. What I gotta say one time when it comes to let close people I don't want to be the doodle you don't want to be i. told you. So you got to be certain person. That told you so person. and. These are my nieces and they're good girls and they're they're smart and You know I've said what I had to say about traveling enduring thing. But I mean, Shit, they got to start their lives man shit. They don't have the allergies and issues that you know London has or whatever I'm like, Hey, as long as you practice safe measures I think it'd be. Okay. It's really when you leave when you let your guard down. Just even one fucking time Lee guard down one time. That's when the Rona creeps up on you. That's when it gets inside you as a Yam with come here. And they say now if you get Krona virus if you get cove in nineteen. You only immune. For around three to, four months. I don't know what the fuck that means say, Oh, you can't catch it again bubble. Then what the fuck does that mean why the fuck only immune for three or four months you know it's like again, their schools out there that are getting fucked up there infections. But because the CDC's not controlling that shit and the numbers aren't being recorded because of what trump had done everything and it's just like man you. Do all you do is lie. Talked about yet the best. That don't matter motherfucker. We're almost had fucking on me. We're we're at six figured debts. I they're talking about New York City and San Francisco it might take eight to ten years. They might not ever comeback. Think of all those big buildings, all the skyscrapers I tongue about the luxury apartments condos in New York. You know certain parts of town big tall buildings to chase bank and fucking whatever it may be any fucking major building. You know. In Times, square all that Shit, these big buildings, these buildings occupy thousands of employees, and right now they're still most employees are working remotely. So offices don't have you have officers thousand people men ain't nobody fucking working right now. So it's like how to fuck are you? Can you know like it just didn't crazy again told you guys this ain't the time to be thinking like Oh man I can't wait for twenty twenty one, twenty, twenty, one, it's going to be worse twenty twenty as far as the economy. So you know. Say what you want to, but you know school is the last place that should be opened for you know just in. I don't know man. This is you know it's it's a weird situation. So. Pretty much. We really need this vaccine. fucked up you know we do though. I just I'm not fucked with anything that comes from Bill Gates Punk, ass you know. Bill. Gates. Fuck would. Population Control and whatever, and it's just it's just weird man just. A the University of North Carolina decided to experiment and has semi full classes in and You know in one week, they had one hundred fifty cases. Counterfeit the infection kids infected students, maybe teachers to whenever they had to quarantine them. I'm like stop playing around with this shit. Stop fucking around Ronin man it's like there's no, there's no beating it. You know it's there's no dino curves go down and you kind of have a slight little dislike. This shit is fucking us up. You know but again. We could have done like Wuhan. Already have my strong feelings about will haunt. Hey Man you know what? Though they locked it down there were severe whatever boom yes, it was fucking drastic. As fucking hill totally on American I. Get it but guess what? That she is gone now for for the most part, there might be a single thing here and there blah. Blah whatever. But these mother fuckers are having music festivals now. tweeted, they're having straight up pool parties with thousands of people. DJ's like real blown out music festivals. No masks motherfucker they shirts off hot out there not social distancing they're out there living. And again, you guys watch your freedom and you'd like not fuck that I. Don't want to manage this look man. You guys don't even get it like we could have been did this for two months You know or was the seventy days whatever it was. But again, no, you guys need all your Shit you want to build, go out Blah Blah and look how fucked up everything is right now I mean, don't get wrong. You know I went to the market and mass. Can you just try to stay the fuck away from people and you'd be cool. But when you start going like parties and start hanging out with family and start invited somebody Oh no, they've been doing. That, you don't know who the fuck your friends of a friend. You don't fucking know that. You don't straight up you know you got your husband and his sister is married to somebody else and their whole family is like all no Waldman quarantine you don't fuck. You don't know how serious they are wearing a mask I don't ever step out the mother fucking car or anywhere without a mask on just had. This has always been. You know especially because a fucking thought I had this shit I still think maybe I did I don't know and that was from taking it down for fucking oral surgery. But again, we could shut down for real like really fucking shutdown dom Tomlin that real when I was talking about that the fucking when I was telling you people that we're gonNA have the fucking. The flexible martial law let's say fuck and law and order martial law. and. Be like all right emergencies only yeoman that shit actually helped. You know it's crazy Max ahead that do Jordan. Shack, and all he does is talk about how masterwork lockdown homework Switzerland or Sweden man motherfucker shut the fuck up Jordan man you know what I told you I got my book in cousin is in fucking Switzerland. Sweden and that shit is still they're still it man they did lockdown Rosana because you didn't fuck and see what you have somebody over there. I'm telling you somebody who lives there you know is just different way smaller different. All I'm saying is you see where it was fucking ground zero mother fuckers were locked down. And people don't WanNa get locked down their old business and you know what they should. They should have fucking just did it. But trump worried about this. Guess what man you are economies crushed it's fucked up in this half ass shutting down here and there you got motherfuckers like all right. We'll check it out. We're going to shut down New York, do this where stay at home and fucking. Then people like I'm GonNa, go to Miami. So the people go fucking flam drive there whatever it's just fucking stupid. Don't motherfuckers leave don't let anybody it's too fucking late nofd as a second wave and I should happens November when the fucking futures up someone needs to lock the fucking place down you know it may suck it's Oh how much worse can fucking get it could get worse. That's where it could get. Again. This shit didn't solve shit it didn't help. Like for real. Right we have not seen a mother fucking curve People York like, Oh, well, it's now man really it's not. You still got dumb motherfuckers going here and there, and it's just like there's no fucking herd immunity right now is bullshit. anyways. The NFL is talking about having games limited to. stadiums are having limited twenty two percent occupancy rate or some shit like that on north thousand miles join article and I'm good. I'm. Not Shipping. From the cred but please believe that twenty two percent is going to be sold the fuck out motherfucker that it's going to be like some supreme fucking. Accessories issues can be gone fast. First game at Arrowhead Stadium they're already working out right now twenty, two percent. I can't imagine a fucking ticket is GONNA be going they're going to be doing some crazy shit we check in the fucking. Ticket, could fevers and temperatures launch and everything and I mean I don't know man. I mean fuck. You know again, I have a different situation. Everyone else does you know I got my son? So Baseball's moving along I. Think you know I've been watching officer the dodgers only? Teams that some teams Rona whole fuck team got the Ronin. Shit and the fucking suspended eight games by the comeback. Somehow the shit is still working though I dunno dodgers during their thug fizzle man mookie Betts fucking animal he's been killing it. Focuses in. SEATTLE. Right now, actually you know what? No they were in Seattle yet. I just talked to Jack as crazy You know what? I was going to say this A. I don't know a lot about the sophisticated rules of baseball right? I definitely don't know the unwritten player rules because. I never played baseball past eighth grade. I played ran track played football and I play basketball wrestled little bit and even wrestlers like no more about wrestling I do fucking when it comes to certain things about baseball. But, let me say this. I'm watching this fucking This is sportscenter in padres play the fucking. Rangers. Right. and. They got this unwritten rule in baseball that once a team is a if you're up by like a certain amount of home runs. Like if a pitcher throws three balls. I kind of know this part, right? The batter is not supposed to swing. Especially, if you're up right but you know what? That like look dude. What are you gonNA do because you're like, Oh, you being classy man get the fuck Outta here with the fucking Dude Lane is jacket to a fucking go walk over a puddle like bro Man. You know what motherfuckers is out for themselves whatever saying that it's not classy and it's fucked. But at the end of the day Man Look We supposed to do just like catch up like this stupidest, fuck. Do. You know if you get washed band get washed and accept that wash just bullshit. Okay. Bad. Not supposed to swing after three balls whatever. So Fernando Totti's. He's leading the major leagues and home runs. He was tied with my trump, and I, think he's got he's up on like one or two, and he got caught up in that exact predicament. And you know the padres were up six or seven runs against the rangers and he didn't look over to go see his coach and I guess you know the third base coach one of the fucker was didn't tell him to like Amen back-off him whenever he wasn't paying attention and I don't think do meant to be like fucked up. He saw pitch for pitch came at three balls for pitch came in. It was even a meatball that she was kind of like a little bit on the edge. It was not always on edge and he hit that bitch out that bitch went out boom. Shot homerun in after that, the Texas pitcher got replaced he walked back he's been celebrated like a second or third home run. The game he's celebrating has lapsed and everything, and he looks at his fucking one of the managers managers aimed like have and he's unhappy and the make the Fuck Eddie with that bullshit man and. Texas pitcher gets replaced and then the next pitcher comes up and the next batter for the padres up, and then they said this is what happened has to happen. So the Texas Pitcher, he the new pitcher, he comes up and he throws the ball hits the motherfucking new batter on the padres and they say, and that's what happens. It's fair. The manager's actually even call that play and I'm like y'all are some fucking like. That's some backward ass nine, thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen fucking bullshit. This is kind of rules that's unwritten rule like in two, thousand twenty. I don't give fuck if it's America's pastime man that's soft. That's some bullshit. All right. They may Taty they made fucking Fernando Totti's junior apologize for doing this shit man fuck that shit not pitched wasn't all that great he wasn't. He was. He meant that just soft I hate that soft shit and you know what else is soft Danny Green. He ain't no fucking ranger mass stupid as fucking nickname. Anyway he ain't shit about that. He played like pure shit. Straight BEZERRA. I. fucking. Totally discussing my Lakers yesterday man was fucking terrible. I this before the game began right tweeted it. Lakers. Got To come out here like we'll savages they gotta go and take a homeless man lunch and eat shit in front of him. Kick him of the fucking when he's down and then be like. Why did you kick the guy when he's down day? No better time to kick a man. On that type Shit I go out there and grab motherfuckers, throats, and Chinshek fools. No, they go out there soft as motherfucking soup. And Fuck Man, the refs dame been shits the whole playoffs I'm those few days but you left same shit I know that the referees were definitely call out plays on favor but I don't give a fuck. Okay. If they're calling it for US I they're fucking up momentum night game sucked. Fuck lebrons triple double and give a shit about that. But to be honest, he was the only one that was actually scorn and getting his groove on. But you know what the fuck is missing free throw between him in a free throws like motherfucking nineteen points right there like it was just some bullshit and just like, I'm like what the fuck is. Casey P doing the motherfucking game. Like the blazers they're okay. But we played like a twenty eight C team they're like all right. You got that motherfucking a European Dude looks like Michael Report like that motherfucker out here doing dunks hanging on the wheel that Kamal hanging on the rim and doing like. Some English shit, and trying to like slide around and do some funky. Shit like. What fuck was waiters out the whole entire game was jared playing like what the Fuck Vogel. Was Good. Like, Dame, get the fuck out of here with date look Bro I think dame's dope get the fuck out of here, Bro. No. I he played okay to be honest. Caruso actually deanamh pretty good like crucial shut down for you know for the most part he didn't he had a call bigshots great man he's always practices fucking shoot from the fucking logo. I. Don't Man Stop that shit man this some bullshit for real. Tonight. Look after tonight I will tell you one hundred percent if we got a chance. I will tell you straight up man look on no, but we but this can't be no seven point six point gang always kinda close here. There was bro, we have to go out there and wash these month fuckers. We gotta go out here like substrate up tied in Wash motherfuckers no Downey, no clorox straight old school i. We just we play like an average team. Won It was fucking sad I the clippers don't look all that. Great either you know what? Mom's like man, these one and two seeds all these favorites on the good Milwaukee was like whatever they don't like hot shit. I don't know what the fuck is going on. Houston looking good. Even though I know Utah and Denver I want to one, they look good. By Like the way we look you know I don't know man we get our asses in order. In a random news. It's fucking random, but this is some forrest gump shit because I'm always around something Masai was you jury whatever his last name is? He's president GM of the Toronto Raptors. His legal team released a police officer body cam footage from the incident that happened at the two thousand nine Hundred Ninety Championship game with the Toronto Raptors, beat the warriors at Oracle Arena. Kate. House there my boy Dylan. Smith Fan right there. Avoid Dylan spot motherfucking fucking dog If you look at the body Cam footage and they should have another angle every single video that you see this on his every fucking sports, SP-, bleacher, fuck sportscenter fucking all over the place. You could see my big ass shiny egghead in the footage in every in one of the videos you see as like sitting there like he walks right by me I'm not really paying attention and then boom you seem that Oh shit has videotape in the whole fucking thing I out five feet from the whole entire altercation. There was two more fights I've seen a couple of Asian guys jumped his black dude but black came back this one Asian Dude? He looked like mahomed boiling I could tell this motherfucker was he was Filipino Vietnamese motherfucker was trip I don't know what the fuck was on but he trip and he he had to be from San Jose this motherfucker flashing she was on some whole other shit a posted the videos on twitter I posted Sonoma, edgy stories, and then the Toronto Sun Messages. In fact, every single major news channel every single fucking newspaper in the earth like literally ending the majors every single one in every fifty states and definitely in Toronto, in fucking Europe and Shit. Hit me up to use the footage on his shit and then I wanted to set the record straight because I wanted to defend. Masai you know what I'm saying. So I've seen show love drake whatever and show love to the homes and and. A fucking subpoena came. Because, they knew how the Shindo your fucking testified fucking county system Blah and I'd answer some questions whatever and I told them the truth. That podcast pig was out of order straight up. So you know look, this is what happened man. Break down. I'm chilling having a good time whatever the game. I mean. I. Didn't have anything with me. I was in San Francisco regardless. I had to do some work out there with my boy Dylan we was gonna hit the fucking gold. Club. After you know what I'm saying the next morning we hit Rotunda what I'm saying we did the whole everything just chilled smoked them. Trees had a nice view staying posted up eating good shopping and shit he know life was real good. This was what June two thousand and nineteen and Game is over Toronto one model focus a salty and Messiah walks right by me I mean he's damn near inches from my phone. I'm on the phone Texan employees. You know why she pros probably on Instagram who fucking nose and then I hear some commotion. And what happened was I guess aside and show his credentials. And a cop I seem walk in around three minutes before the game is about to be over and he's like you know they're trying to make sure people don't run the court not shit and he's like. In full artillery gear, like this motherfucker is ready for world war six I he has like two guns. He has four flashlights. He has a bulletproof vest. He's in full tactical armor and the whole night and he just looks angry he's just looks like a he looks like he's a racist. He just looks still bad but he just did pen straight up and you know you see the footage, Mam que man you know try to come here and the dude push them hold on man he's the fucking disguise the president of the fucking team that just won fucks you talking about he's gone court and do allow fuck dat and he pushed him he pushed him heart. and Emma size at fuck this and pushed his ass back. Now when he pushed back, not on the footage, he pushed out more back on the size like you know slim real slim do but he's tall pushed that dude motherfucker filled down his back angled lie to you. Bro The whole fucking area was like Oh shit. Like we were like, oh. Oh. Like to see a black man, push a white cop on floor was shit to see. It was fucking crazy. So all this shit about go crazy and then this dude does do came out of nowhere he's like with literally sitting right in front of me he was Where we were I was a so there's row one two in front of me, right? So I'm like literally. I while before you go to the walkway and then the floor seats the floor but like the bullshit foresees, but these are still. Dylan what the fuck what were they? I think they were like almost ten bands each seat. So they weren't cheap season nothing but like. Do comes out defend Masai then Kalari literally walks over is like a mom's we don broke with the fuck you want. We celebrate and Shit and there's one that that's the game while seen as Jeremy Lin and he made candidate up and I was I was subtitled congrats on me and you just like wave me off like on some shit look bro Cooman you're on some other shit dude look homey you know who the fuck I am stop playing Bro you trying to get your mom and everyone else whatever bro Why is your mom? Even their family didn't even play. Fuck is going on here. anyways. Going back to the whole shit you know. That was just some whole other. I can't even explain the satisfaction seeing that pig pushed down after he pushed him twice. He deserved it one hundred percent, and then he tried to sue and say that you know he could walk his body back was broke. I forgot what Kinda Shit they're trying to say in court some other bullshit anyways. Now they show the shit that motherfucker started all that shit stupid and whatever didn't fuck what our bottom line is. Man Fuck that bitch. Look Man. I need to take a break. Got Me Hot your mouth may accused some Lake Lake. Men. The stress of daily life ways haunt us all. Whether you're in the League athlete like the NBA players, you see on the sidelines of the playoffs or just a regular person trying to get through the day. Muscle pain and muscle tension is a real thing. That's why Thera- gun is a must on. Their gun is the hand held cuss of therapy device that releases your deepest muscle tension using a scientifically calibrated combination of depth speed and. Power. and. Now as quiet as an electric toothbrush with all new gen four. Try Their gun risk free for thirty days. 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We've been having rolling blackouts and Shit and has been fucking up the Internet fucked up the fucking lecture Shintos Shinzo the stuff and. The spectrum is the fucking worst. I'm so fucking mad. I, can't even like I'm so mad man like. It's almost like they got me on a chokehold like I can't do anything about it too which is crazy just for the at and T. really any better. And they're fucking up. So if you guys have an idea in the La County, who's got something that is not going to be down. because. His bottlenecks shit is bullshit in the node shares. All Bullshit. What I'm GonNa do is I'm going to have to get a small rising hotspot card. When a little WIFI egg type thing cards. and. I'm just GONNA use it the backup just so that my kids can go do their zoom classes. Like you know what I'm saying we got two kids, three kids fuck man on that figure it out and just put it because I got a big house and their rooms separated on at the figure it out to where I might have to get to zoom parts like maybe. Writer. Writer in. London. Cher one zoom carton had Kaya shares the other. But know they're doing zoom classes for four and a half hours each day and they start school in just little bit over a week from now. Nine ten days now. So. I'm not fucking Nino take a few days off I'm GONNA take. At least four days off and leave town next week and celebrate Lenin's birthday. You know he's turning eight fucking London. Is Fifty six inches tall focus height of a ten year olds crazy none is growing so fast. So crazy man we get into that obviously on. The we can wrap up because this is birthday. Don't forget guys, Yo. Submit your questions now because I'm only doing the fan questions once a month. And we're going to fan questions on this week and wrap up coming up. and Oh. Yeah. So I'm going to be podcasting. Remote from a beach house somewhere. I don't know what city yet wide new him Samsung until you guys because I'm going fucking crazy for real. But yeah, I'm elise towns, my wife's idea. But these AIRBNB is actually the first time I, actually pay for an airbnb symbol bullshit cycles hundred, nine, hundred dollars night, and then you pay literally fuck four hundred dollars in fees cleaning Brunei, this third way are boom. So ends up being like you stay for fucking three or four nights and ends up being five jeeps or sixty I forgot what the fuck it is. Basically, you could end up paying like easily three or four days in the big ass house like six bedrooms or something you fuck around pay. Like two grand in fucking fees and cleaning at you and everything and like I know they only give you like one toilet paper enroll in each room such I. Don't know. I'm just I'm we're going to be prepared already know and Nick's mom you know Nick Spano in the Knicks Dad listens to this show every next month she will bring fucking everything except the kitchen I'm surprised she hasn't being picture frame she just brings everything. We're all a very overly prepared family and is crazy. It's going to be nuts I don't know what the fuck. I can't wait for this new escalated to come in. Like, for Real, I can't wait for the new escalate to come in because I have a the first one coming into the country and I should spaceship it's going to really c seven for real now. By to the minivan boy jeff from riff. What ipod you can keep that motherfucker at that point like I'm just I can't wait for this car to come in speak in a cars yellow. The Senate is a dream. It is literally a fucking dream. It's just unbelievable. I remember I said this a couple times where even on an interview with Timothy and I said this Solomon driven and I was like, Yo you know what? I don't even like like going to the garage anymore Pico damps. They're like I'm looking like several times a day like all me check up on my car boom. And it's like I got rid of a lot of cars right for it and It's just a fucking special thing talked to McLaren North America Service wanted to make sure I'm all good with everything. I'm going to have a almost positive can tiny's GONNA do down pipes on the do some cat deletes and I don't don't do a rear section. I'm not sure but I am going to do a full tune. In, this thing should have right around nine horse horsepower and it's going to be significantly faster than it already is, but it's going to be louder and I just knew that was the only thing I needed don't need to do suspension. I'm not changing the wheels you can't fuck up the warranty and I'm just the the Senate is just a dream I cannot believe how many people have reached out. So funny and you got the haters like, oh. Would her son is going flexible grand like okay. There ain't even a twenty, five thousand. There wasn't twenty, five, thousand miles Senate. It wouldn't even go for seven hundred grand like. Bro You can get a senator for nine hundred. Grand deal is going to buy it for nine hundred grand all day long like it's just not like stop it. Man. But it's just funny and I don't mean that like an just saying like people don't realize doc if you want to send a with low miles, just no to get it in your color and get something like a cool spec Bro, you're going to drop a million dollars periods just GonNa happen you have to chop a million masters. It is what it is Ena Affleck's and nothing it's just that's what it is man. So. anyways to the hobby. Tomorrow between nine thirty and ten thirty am Pacific Time I will be releasing a few friends and family. Beckett BGS authenticated autograph cards I'm going to have a couple friends and family I might have like one Frank Thomas. Going to be like? One This is going to be a couple random. You know what? I'm saying tomorrow is an actual release. It's been a long time again, emails and people have been bugging me about it look I will be releasing my one of ten cal ripken cards tomorrow BGS Beckett authenticated. Gold Ben baller autograph cards with certificates. And the witness stickers for sixteen hundred dollars each. Yes. I lower the price low bit. So the collectors can have a little more. You know eating room they could eat a little more. Cower car came out. Fire is probably the best looking card at all the next to each euro. It is really amazing card. Sorry for those who bought the trout's early on and bought the other cards that didn't have the authenticating and the tickets are those are the ones a lot of money anyway. So I'm not trying to hear it. But yes, the Beckett certificates do help make up to you guys later for sure I don't know if it'd be when I signed an autograph a certain amount of tops chrome boxes, but I will also be releasing my one of fifty silver BBDO. Cal ripken autograph cards Those will be four, hundred dollars each and. You know what? I'm still signing the least amount of cards. For the most fair prices at all twenty artists in project twenty, twenty s no shade. Thornton. Partisan Twenty Twenty, a project one twenty. But I'm just letting you know tomorrow don't forget tomorrow is a autograph Release Day. I'm actually now soon as I, finish this, I am headed to the OC to beg headquarters to get all these cars indicated next week I'll be dropping rare super rare one of one series cards from previous drops I didn't have a one on one on and yet there's going to be one, Frank Thomas one-on-one Ricky WanNa run each euro. Each wasn't be crazy I might even say that for later but one on one blake collab- distant that whatever obviously authenticated with certificates, and at the same time, I'm going to be dropping the very rare dual autographed Blake, Jameson Mike Trout Bend Baud the blinkered I'm going to have five four sale of the Blake Jameson Mike Trump card K it's going to be a dual autograph. There will be five for sale my site, and there's GonNa be fired for sound blake black that means it's just going to go fast I the first legit dual autograph on the first and Only Tops Project Twenty Twenty collaboration card. I don't know the price yet. But I talked to Blake and I was like a, we gotta make it fair. GotTa. Make a reasonable I. Know is cool. You know let's make this. Cool. He's no offense man. You Know Blake's some prices high and he's he's eight. Cool. I'm just saying I want this to be cool. Went to be. A A good price so We went a few weeks cards and everything. You know actually more than a few weeks and I'm excited that the cows coming in Jeeter's shipping after that after the like I said man, they're gonNA start catching up and it's going to be fucking on and poppin people be happy projects back and everything right? I mean I'm doing good but I want everyone else to eat. Good. right now currently, my Tony. GWYNN card is available it's available only for like another twenty hours twenty hours if you're listening to this podcast in real time Twelve forty right now if you listen to somewhere around there but. I fucking love this Tony Greencard? Like feels just it was just so nice not to times keep a real clean like like the. Ichiro. So you'll get it because cards dope and my tops chrome said should be dropping at the end of this month if not for whatever reason worst case scenario, it'll be early September and I was told this is a only available on this will only be available on tops dot com. All right. So it is going to be. His a nightmare because people could make fucking thousands of dollars on on the fucking top my top chrome set and you know is I don't know what to say to you but I have some good news. Something special to tell you guys write little secret. There is a limited edition tops project twenty twenty secret project coming soon. K. and it's going to be limited. They're going to be numbered. It's going to be limited and It's not going to be a forty eight hour run and you don't have a print run high boom it'll be limited is going to sell out it'll be dope it a give people a chance back to make some bread and it's going to be fun. It's going to be something exciting and You know what? This going to entertain excitement I'm really excited to talk about this right now man I finally saw a fire s movie. Dish it was fucking lit all the way forest fire. To it was crazy is a Korean film. Don't worry about it. You can wash in subtitles and this movie came out in Korea maybe three years ago that came out here. Probably you know shortly after that but the movie is called the outlaws watch on Amazon prime. Favorite streaming choice when it comes to anything I don't Netflix's cool whenever I. Own Tunes I am strictly Amazon prime when it comes to streaming movies, but this movie that outlaws is about. These three immigrant Chinese gangsters. who come into the CD parts of Seoul and Ako and take other gangsters territory and they're just on some whole other. level. They like they're the most savage. Crazy mother fuckers I've ever seen in a cream movie. Ever these gangsters are totally relentless they ruthless. Like this movie stars the create the Real Korean Liam Neeson his name is Don Lee. fucker is for Real I couldn't think of anybody else like. Bruce Willis he's not like it's not Denzel. Just like this dude is a fucking fat. Older. Maybe in his early or mid fifties and night all he does Don Lee. All Don Lee does and every move he's in his kick ass as all he does is fuck shit up in every movie he's in. But this time in this movie, the outlaws he's playing a cop and. I'm telling you guys. You don't know savage until you watch Korean gangster movies. There's no that scarface when this putting the. Dude's head. Any Shit. That's that's chicken. Shit K.. motherfuckers again, they wigs push all the way back. Okay. Fools again, their hands and body parts chopped off with taxes. Que cree people do not fucking crazy. That's why there's something wrong with my brain everything right Crean's have remember cranes have no access to guns increase. There's no there's no guns there right. So they're always using sushi knives and axes and bats way more like just personal just. Way More Gory. This shit is meant crazy. Okay. Fuck. I try to watch it. Maybe four times in the few years maybe five or six. I just was like, Oh, I get distracted I. Put it back my watch list like I'm watch it boom. I am so fucking happy I watched this movie now. I should kick me up. I was so fired up and I've been telling you guys about cream films. Okay. You guys think that parasite was great like it was cool. It was it was a good movie. But. There's like a bunch of cool look. Parasite wouldn't even be my top ten Korean movies K. Saddam sleep on. Korean. Films Amazon primed that a bunch of them make sure you start with Chengdu then watch Chinga to watch sunflower watch or boy. There's even like little high school movies are Kyle. Do you know what I'm saying there's a Lotta Shit. This movie the outlaws is, I'm telling you man this shit is fucking crazy. Made Me Miss Korea and right now really missing Tokyo but it made me Miss Korea. So just random I went to the market yesterday to get Ryder some pringles. And Right now, writer Cayenne London artist for the longest time they love cheetos and before that it was ruffles Cheddar, sour cream or some shit. Out fucked flavors. But. Right now they're on pringles binge. They just love pringles. And I wanted to go to the market go do that it was hot as I'm wearing. Shorts. T shirt as CROCS and I had to go get that crack cocaine simply watermelon juice. panaceas. Excellent. Man. Man. God Damn. Seen it before I don't think that's good and then cut he had his house traditionally man Bro. Two glasses in front of me in ways I forget my wallet. Right. So I, get like a case of sprite from my wife I have A. White nectarines my favorite food next to Rainier Cherries my favorite fucking fruits at y. And I got the we bottles of fucking simply watermelon juice and I get some paper towels. And they get like five or six cylinders of pringles I get into the Lai social distancing where I'm ask boom I, get to the fuck confront do whatever, and I realized how Wallet Couldn't believe it because a while carrying now's really small and it's like a belt clip. So likes you don't lose it social prince pickpocketing just worry about having a at pocket also this shit and everything and the checker looked at me like your, how am I going to pay this and I'm like, Oh, I totally forgot about what you guys have apple pay and he looked at me like I was half a bitch in half a Bozo. Sorry man this has never happened before. Say you get you know like there's no digital he goes. No you could either pay by check or cash I'm like well, I don't have it. So I'm sorry. Okay. Fuck embarrassed. You know like some of the young get bags and stuff they look like they knew me they recognize me stuff. So I don't really go to this market that much. I go right outside and there's a wells Fargo. And I'm like Shit Wells. Fargo is one of the four banks I bank with. So I check my phone and I'm like, you know what? Let me see if there's something that's got to be something and they have this feature. called. No Card ATM at Wells Fargo now they might have. But I don't have an ATM. Card my other three banks because sooner. Or, any accountant. Anybody who has an accountant or or money manager or You know an account just any kind of CPR anything. I don't know what the fuck it is specially entertainment. They don't watch to have ATM card. The up credit card anything else they just want your ATM card to Your Business Account I don't know what the fuck it is anyways going on. Wells Fargo's only count that actually have ATM card. So they have this thing called no card atm I go to the APP and they give you an access code and then you type it into the fucking to the ATM. Initiate Works and I'm like, yeah why the Fuck Monica ATM ever again like there's no reason forever like I mean I'm never gonNA use ano- crazy specially someone who has a fucking the things that I do I just can't use in ATM? That is not my ATM. Like some people are like man, they just don't give a fuck the pay three are fee. Two dollar, whatever four dollar fee and use ATM's ran unless I'm out of the country. Cool. But I don't really need cash out of the country always bring cash. Like I don't understand how motherfuckers will. Drive. Five extra blocks. I'll drive enough agile fuck mile stop at a ATM to get cash when I need to go to wells. It's just weird anyway. Sorry I took her out and I went back and I got all my shit. It was like at the at the manager's desk and everything like yelling me get messed up boom and he's GonNa have to wait and I, doubt relaxed Bro, like do was really tightened again I wasn't tripping you know and fucking amazing. Super Convenient I was happy the checker apologized to me he's like Hey, I'm so sorry you know it's been a lousy look man you ain't got apologize to be do was old he's probably like late sixties he had. His name tag said Sophia. My Brando. Your name is Sophie whatever I don't know what do is gone through I said look man it's crazy ties that we're in right now super crazy times. So look don't even trip a no people are just excited fucking get you know just be working and just it's a blessing even have a job right now right? Speaking of jobs. Tonight at midnight. From the information I've read. Tonight at midnight. Uber and lift. Could be gone until November. Oh Shit gone till November. No. wycliffe. Just, show my age right there. You probably you. fucked. That is I was actually a big fucking song anyways imagined. And this is this is real because there's this lawsuit, right but the whole, fucking a uber lift. The driver's wannabe employees and they're like fuck that you guys are impedance contractors imagine three months. This is only in California. Three fucking months right now with no uber or lift like it'll only be and car service. That's really gonNA fuck some people up Bass GonNa fuck. Shit Up. It's going to be really fucked up for people for. Real. And this ain't a joke does I'm being dead serious I. would never say something like this just a nonchalantly not it at all. Uber lift were being there being sued corporation in California and the drivers of these rideshare companies they wanna be recognized as employees. They will benefit something they wanna be employees. They don't want to be independent contractors. I don't know exactly why didn't pay attention but have been hearing this been going on for a while and the thing is they're fighting for but now what the fuck you GonNa do like you're gonNA fight I mean I guess you know sit it out and some people can't I feel bad for some of my friends parents 'cause my boy peter his his parents try fucking Uber at nighttime for a living. is just crazy. I don't know man. But it just wants makes me bring this up before we get out of you look just remember. All, the protesting all the riding, the bickering, the fighting, standing up for your rights. You know all the people that were killed, George Floyd everything beyond Taylor all that Shit. Okay. All this civil unrest in our country. All. This shit. is to nothing is means nothing. Everything, you guys did all the fucking protests all the everything marching out there fighting, going crazy fucking tweeting, posting, Shit and everything all that shit means nothing. If you don't go out there and vote. And it really means nothing if in fucking on January thirteenth trump doesn't leave the white. House Okay If trump wins. All, this shit that you guys did that we did everyone did was pretty much for nothing. I. The people have to go out there and speak. Show up show out. Vote stand up for your mother fucking selfs Co out there and fucking vote man. Okay you need to show up. Show Up. The mother fucking Lakers need to shop tonight they need to do that shit tonight I'm not fucking playing. Man. You'll. That is it for episode one, eight love you guys man please make sure you are subscribing to behind the baller. Tell. Three friends about the show Tom Subscribe. The show gets better when we get more people were listeners, me get hyped more giveaways and actually you know it's been a minute. Don't give away this weekend. Don't forget you'll get Tony Green Card don't forget autographs job in tomorrow you'll my guy ll. Lake Lake, please take us the fuck Outta here. 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Episode 230: Never Again Action - Tal Frieden, Becca Lubow

Judaism Unbound

50:47 min | 9 months ago

Episode 230: Never Again Action - Tal Frieden, Becca Lubow

"Support for this episode of Judaism unbound comes from the Osman. Family JCC in Palo Alto California. Whose vision is to be the architects of the Jewish Future, the Ashman family JCC's is an incubator for new expressions of Jewish identity. It creates innovative learning celebrations, arts programs that inspire personal connections to people and ideas from across the Jewish world learn more at www dot. Palo Alto JCC DOT Org. This is Judaism unbound episode. Two hundred thirty, never again action, welcome back, everyone I'm Dan Lee, Benson and Electro Berg and today we are beginning. What's going to be a long series exploring topics of social justice and Jews of color in part because a lot of the activists and folks that we're wanting to talk to are. Actively involved in protest movements, and it's hard to get everything. In exactly the timeline that we want, this might be slightly scattered, but we think it will all hold together in the end as many of our series, do and world titles up towards the end with conversations between the two of us, but today we are thrilled to welcome to activists that we have known well, and who have been on this podcast before who are involved in an organization called never again action, which is a movement of thousands of Jews and allies fighting to end the United States cruel immigration policies never again. Action takes action that directly targets the system. System demonstrates the stakes to the public and inspires people to join. It's committed to nonviolent action, and as they say, it's role is to expose and disrupt the daily violence of the system, not add violence that would weaken our authority and endanger allies never again action was in the news, recently a number of times, but one time in particular when there was an action outside of a detention facility in Rhode Island and one of the workers there drove a car into the protesters. Our guest tell Freidan was there at that protest? Tall is an activist who lives in. In Providence Rhode Island, they helped to spearhead never again action, Rhode Island which has worked in partnership with an organization, called a more which will be talked about in the podcast alliance to mobilize our resistance to seek statewide bans on both private prisons and collaboration with ice tall, was named to the forward newspapers forward fifty and twenty, nine, thousand nine in annual feature that spotlights fifty of the most influential Jews in each calendar year I should note. The Dow was also an episode of Judaism. Unbound where we talked about another organization that they're involved in Judaism on our. Our own terms, which is a collective organization of the groups at various college campuses that are doing Jewish life activities outside of the zone of the established institutions on campus. Our second guest is Lugo. She recently did a special episode of Judaism unbound because she is our fellow this year. She's a fellow at Judaism unbound through a partnership with new voices magazine Becca produced and hosted the bonus episode of Judaism unbound called. WHO's Judaism that was released not too long ago and as an activist, she works with patients like if not now and never again action Tolin Beca. To welcome you back to Judaism and bound to talk about this important activists work. You're doing so welcome to Judaism unbounded so great to have you both back on again. Having creativity in conversation with you all. We'll tell I'd love to start with you because I guess. You're starting to be our regular guest when we're looking at some kind of. Some kind of activity that people have done in the past, but the the young folks these days are doing different. So last time we were talking about Judaism on our own terms, and how you're doing Jewish life differently on campus, and now you've graduated from college, so we're moving on to social justice, and you're involved in the early days of never again action and I'd love if you could just describe a little bit about how it came to to start its work. Yeah so the origin story of never again action is that strength address seen wasn't organizer for Cosette. John which immigrant rights movement on led by directly impacted folks in undocumented folks. Put out a facebook post. That was I. Think I'm really pissed about how immigration is being discussed in this country. It was right when Alexandra Cossio Cortez said that the detention camps in this country are concentration camps, and the national media wasn't an uproar about debating the rhetoric of weather. These camps should or could be classified as concentration camps instead of discussing the horrendous conditions. That immigrants still to this day are being subjected to in a concentration camps in this country and dot. Facebook Post that strength allergy and posted. Led to Google form, which led to other people opposing it, which led to me being on zoom call with some other organizers about a week of action across the country. Starting with the first action in Elizabeth New Jersey. And followed by actions in Philadelphia, providence the Bay Area Austin, and following that we action there were over forty or fifty actions in the following months across the country led by Jews immigrants in our eyes and campaigns across the country to close the concentration camps and to abolish is. BECKA had it. You get involved in this work. So, when Serena put out that call as Jews. We've seen this before I'm angry. We should be storming these camps a friend of mine, Brandon, on who was an organizer. I knew through. If let now a different Jewish activists movement commented, I'm in, but actually and I like a day or two later. got a call from him. And we, we hopped in zoom call with some people that night and I remember. At first we were talking about one action like it was a tiny people came together like let's let's do one action. Justice shift the narrative about like this should be a debate about the semantics of the word concentration camp and should actually be moment when we talk about what you do if there is a concentration camp in your country. As a Jew. Whose family may or may not have history with that pain? There is a concentration camp in your country right at this moment. What do you want to be doing? And the answer was something you know And I felt like we. We put out a Google farm and We were expecting a few dozen people to may be down for an action in there were thousands of people in that forum immediately and I think a of people had the sense I felt which was a thank God. There's something to do. because I've been wanting to do something for so long and just felt completely powerless and like well. There's one person there's nothing I can do. And it turns out. A lot of people felt that way, and they just needed someone to point and be like running back direction, and once we all kind of found each other realize that everyone felt that way. Like okay, we can dream bigger and. Like as the rest of that summer showed clearly, there was so much energy from our community to do something, and we never set out to like make an organization. Initially it was. We're going to have one action, and then it was. We're going to have one week of action where we try to tap into a few other places. And then it was oh. New Actions kept popping up. You know we'd say we're. WE'RE GONNA go for two more weeks and then we'll be done, and then there'd be more actions the next week that we're in the process of being plan because new cities wanted to get involved, and things really took off on a local level in a lot of places, and so we kept saying. Let's figure out how we'RE GONNA. End It and then more things kept happening eventually we realized through conversations with. Partners in the immigrant Justice Movement in Costa, Rica that actually we. We shouldn't shut things down on I mean 'cause a organizers said to us. It's great that you're here in showing up, but don't disappear tomorrow. We need people to fight with us for the long haul, and we need these New People who've been activated to stay activated. Because concentration camps still exist, and so we really like fi turning never again into a more permanent thing until it became like really clear that it needed to stick around. So, there's so many pieces of what both of you just brought up. That I think are really really crucial for us. the I wanNA mention is what each of you described in different ways as like. There was this sense that we had to do something and the we hear. I don't know how to define. Because there was no institution, there was no you both you talked about tile. How the story began with a person's name and their facebook post Serena Adler Stein and her facebook post and Then the like. What a week or a couple of weeks, there was like A. A movement I'm like there was at least an action and it was being discussed in publications, but like a lot happen very quickly, and I want to reflect on how somebody could hear. That is just Oh. Like there was a snap of the fingers and this arose, but I actually think that that reflects is that there's been for many years. sort of the growth of a move I would describe it as a movement We could debate what that means, but there's been the growth of a huge cohort of roughly young ish or young Jews and so I wanNA talk about like what was already like. How did it happen that one person created a facebook post, and then within a week or two? There were all these people that are like what is behind that to some extent I think it's it's. It's hard to talk about this without also talking about other Jewish activists movements like if not now, which in many ways was some of the the core people power at first I. Don't know whether that's still true to the same extent, but am my right to call it a movement. Is it something else like? How do we talk about this cohort of people largely in their twenty s and maybe thirties, who seemed to be deeply called in their hearts to these kinds of movements, some of them are also called to you know other kinds of Jewish institutional things, but for some of them this their core, Jewish act. I think we a lot of that to the work that other movements have done for years and years and years to build the muscle and communities. Allowed something like this to take shape so quickly. Caserta has been doing this work for a long time and had a lot of. Wisdom that they could share with us about what. What we need right now Who really would make an impact and You know gave Serena. The tools a network to find other Jewish activists. If not now, has I know a lot of the people, not everyone, but a lot of the people who came together for never again like already knew each other, and had been in activists community through now for a long time. I also think those movements shaped what it was. We all imagined doing when we when we got on that call because. We talked about hosting actions I. Don't know of listeners. will all know exactly what actions means? and I've seen. Jewish institutions that are a little more established. Maybe doing a quote action in it's essentially a rally where people gather somewhere in there, speakers nee, listen to speakers, and then everyone goes home, and never again came out of activist tradition that said whatever we do needs to really have a material impact need to demonstrate risk and sacrifice to show people that this matters, and if you say, there's concentration camps in your responses to have a speech, I don't think that emotional weight. Is there like we need to demonstrate this moment when thousands of people can't do anything except for like physically, stand in the way of what's happening, which is why actions looked like? Blocking entrances to a detention center or shutting down government meetings talking about what was happening. You know private prisons and people often got arrested at these actions because we really felt like these need to have a, they can't just be like a performance. They need to also have some sort of more of a tangible purpose, and though if never again is has joined kind of this group of activist, movements endure spaces. It's it's not a I. There's a long tradition of Jewish activism. It's not going to be the last I'm sure. A really well, and I would also just say that in Providence I'm by far the youngest person who's on our leadership team, and our leadership team is mostly people ball who are not? Amani aw are and. One of the things that stands out to me, not way that teaches us that. This work has been building for decades is not August about a year ago at never again action in Central Falls Rhode Island. prison guard drove his truck into a crowd of protesters and a dozen prison guards followed and disbursed pepper spray indiscriminately into a crowd of protesters. And this has become. A common occurrence in the last year we've seen car-ramming by the NYPD, and by individuals and I also wanted to say that personally today. I'm really thinking about summer. Taylor and their family summer Taylor was a protester in Washington who was killed by a car attack this week. One thing that moment taught me is that the violence of this system is not new. Resistance to the system is not new one woman who is sent to the hospital that night is in her seventies, and she was afraid so severely she had to be taken to the hospital and the next day when I called to check in on and just talk about what had happened, she said. I was at Berkeley in nineteen, Sixty, eight I was there, and it wasn't as bad as seeing now, but it hasn't changed. and. It's reminder that we've been fighting these systems for as long as any of us can remember, and they're still here and we will work keeps Gyn. Yeah I just WANNA lift up. That never again is truly intergenerational movement. There are very young people taking action for the first time in discovering a Jewish voice, and there are people who have been part of these movements for a long time on and bring. Wisdom and a a real source of strength at the DC action we had middle of the summer, the first person to arrive on down in the building. Declare himself ready to be arrested. If necessary was rabbi Arthur WASCO, who's in his eighties? Everyone was sweltering and you're there for hours and hours and hours, and he was the last one to leave and. I WANNA. Make sure that the role of our elders in these movements isn't. NIST? A huge follower of Arthur West. Go, I love that. He got a shout out here for we'll. We'll link in the show to his episode in the past under his mom bound Okay I want a horn on a couple things that just arose one being that Beca you used the word sacrifice, and on a show about Judaism, and to some extent religion allowed in and I would talk for hours about what religion means I think it's important to to name that word sacrifice because. Think about it in an activist context where sacrifice connotes like risk in the way that you talked about. Showing up and being willing to put yourself on the line for a cause, I think it's easy for us. To sort of segment that kind of sacrifice off from the kind of sacrifice, we read about in like the Torah where sacrifice connotes like sacrificial offerings of animals often, there's other kinds of sacrificial offerings with grain, and whatever, but like two very different connotations, but actually want to look at the ways they are similar, and the ways in which would be the two of you are describing and how you need to. You need to show up and be willing to put. I mean in some cases. Your body like Tau was talking about in other cases at the very least your heart and your mind on the line in order to demonstrate to people who might not understand the stakes of the moment that they really are that high It's it's. It's important to be able to do that, but I I'm thinking about how like that's. That's what these ancient sacrifices seem to have been to right like the whole point was you were supposed to feel a sense of personal loss, and like you gave up a lot of your set like you don't just choose some shoddy looking. To give like you're supposed to give an unblemished one from your flock like that you theoretically probably have a relationship to. And, then you? You I mean once again. I'm vegetarian. Right here to. Say. We should all be sacrificing animals to God. The strategy there is okay for whatever set of reasons giving that up demonstrates a commitment to a greater cause greater cause being God devotion in this case that's important to say, and so I I'd love to hear from the two of you. Why like because because a major difference between the work of say a never again action and other wonderful organizations with different strategies of activism is that risk is that strategy of civil disobedience of being arrested of facing what we faced in Central Falls Rhode. Island that night with with somebody driving their car. Like what is what is it to sacrifice? One of the reasons I think never again has been powerful is for the most part. Jewish institutions were criticizing detention centers, or saying that immigrant rights are important to Jews and not not saying too loudly or saying it in a very moderated way that didn't reflect the way most choose i. knew felt which was sickened and horrified and enraged and ready to do whatever it took to stop what was happening? The role of risk in sacrifice and helping Jews find a new way of expressing that that level of commitment to a more humane country and to human dignity for. Immigrants. All people gave people the tools to take action in a way that is more disruptive and prevents business as usual from happening and. As. A result does require more risk and sacrifice, and I think it's important also to mention that we white Jews have a lot of privilege. Getting arrested at an action does not have the same risks for me that it would front undocumented person and for white shoes. There's a lower risk of violence than there is for people of Color at actions and people of Color are showing up anyway, and so it's important for us to be there so that we can just stand with them. for me. Taking action in this way makes me feel more deeply connected to Jewish practice and values and history than almost anything I. Do and I do observe holidays in other Jewish. Traditions that aren't. Activists, traditions, but showing up to fight for justice through a Jewish lens explicitly, because that's what being Jewish demands of me feels powerful and sacred in a way that I would imagine it's comparable to ancient Jewish practices. So those of us who are white in this country are do not experience the same level of risk when it comes to these actions that that back folks indigenous folks, undocumented folks are seeing now. Across the country as people rise up for black lives, and against the police and police violence, so I would personally feel like the framework of sacrifice is maybe. Brings us to close to. Like a savior mentality that we are the ones who are doing all of the sacrificing for others or for ourselves however. And one thing I also hear a lot is like we need to be doing the work like this is. There's work that we need to do, and I think that like it is hard work. It takes a lot of time together. Things like best it takes a lot of dedication and a lot of communication, and it's difficult, but I also think work is only model to think about spending time on something and. I stuck said. We're building the world that we WANNA see as we. Project the world that exists right now and I think of an action again in central. Falls Rhode Island where the board of this private prison was discussing a plan to sell the prison to another private prison company, and to cement their agreement with ice to detain at least six hundred and fifty people. In this facility from ice and a group of mostly why Jews with? Our allies, a more which is a movement led by undocumented folks went into this meeting and started singing for like an hour, and a half, and shut down the meeting because we were leading Chaba prayers. The meeting was Friday at six PM. We came in with a bottle of grief, Jews in a couple of colleges, and we had Shaybah in this private prison candlesticks that we brought. Candlesticks were there and dot exam or to me. Is All about how as we dismantle? Prisons Police ice. anti-bok racism and settlers colonisation in this country were also building a really beautiful world, and it's not just sacrifice or work. It's also collectives joy in the duration. That's an amazing story that that's actually what I've been dreaming of and talking about I since we started the podcast this this. Dream, that somehow services would take place at a place of action, and whether that means a protest type of action or a homeless shelter or A soup kitchen, or whatever it might be that the service would not be disconnected from the action, but actually if there was going to be a service at all, which I've had my questions about, but that it would be integrated into. Into acting and I I think that's really exciting to hear something that it actually makes me think about lex. Was texting me in the background that earlier when we were talking that what you were describing to some extent was like a Jewish movement, but not a denomination. You know we think of a movement is like you know. What denomination are you? But no, but this is a movement and I and the way that you. You were talking about the Inter Generational Dimension of it, and the way in which you know, the older folks are bringing wisdom and experience in the younger folks may bringing energy and passion, or whatever that is you know, and the idea that that you are starting to describe a sort of a Jewish movement that is much more healthy than than any other existing Jewish movement in the way that we usually talk about it. It so it's exciting to me to imagine where this where this plays out in, and maybe we can talk about that I mean i. also want to underscore what you've been saying about just talking about this substance that you've been talking about even the the concept of sacrifice, and and I really think that the concept of sacrifice is worth. You know maybe Lexi is take it next time you know we talk or something you. You know I think it's really kind of fascinating in part because the rabbis in the after destruction of the Second Temple kind of rebuilt Judaism around prayer, but in their mind prayer was taking the place of the sacrifices you know so it's interesting to think about sacrifice taking the place of the sacrifices. And what kind of sacrifice are we talking about? Maybe a different kind, but I think to underscore LX with saying that. In the Bible what you are sacrificing with something really valuable, and you're right to say that may be where we have privilege, and it's it's less There's less to lose. Maybe than than other people might have, but nevertheless it's. It's something to lose. I'm curious about another sort of language that you're using an and I. Know that you've I'm sure been asked this question a million times. I Wanna I, WanNa get into it deeply, though which is the question of the name of the organization never again the the idea of how cost imagery and The organization bend. The Arc I think pretty close to when trump was elected. They started also using this language. We've seen this before, and we talked to them back then about using that language and. Obviously there is pushback from from various elements within the Jewish community that say well. We shouldn't be comparing anything to the Holocaust. The Holocaust generous. The Holocaust was the worst thing that ever happened to anybody. And you know how dare you use an analogy to the Holocaust. Obviously, we don't think that you don't think that. I. Feel like there's some power I think I've said versions of this before I think there's some power in as a Jew inviting others to use the Holocaust and I've said that before it's like. Please the Holocaust meaning like what's the point of having? Experience something like that, and then just saying nobody can we can never. We can never derive anything from it. We can never use it in some way. I'd love to hear in your voice. How do you talk about the usage of that language in that analogy and the power, and also the responsibility of using it? I think you're right that if we are never allowed to apply lessons from the Holocaust, where other tragedies in our history to the present, we take away their meaning, I would want the tragedies in pain that our people have gone through to motivate us to prevent future tragedies and. I also WANNA say the for Ashkenazi Jews. That's the Holocaust There are other tragedies that Jews broader history and experiences of oppression. That we can draw from and never again action. The name came from. Anger about this semantic debate that was happening whether or not it was okay to say never again in the sense of no more concentration camps for any people ever, and I had an interesting conversation with a front end this week. Actually about this, she is Jewish also part of act up which is an organization that was created during the height of the AIDS epidemic, and she was talking about how she was really frustrated, because act up was drying from their history with the AIDS crisis as they. They talked about the pandemic were currently facing in Corona. Virus and people are saying that's inappropriate. How can you make that comparison? And she felt like we are act up. If anyone has the right to make that comparison, it's us and I feel the same way like I am a descendant of Holocaust victims. We Are Jews. If anyone has the right to say, this is a concentration camp and never again means that this cannot happen. It's US institutional Jewish. Organizations sometimes try to claim that mantle. Declare themselves the arbiter of what you can and can't say about Jews, Jewishness, or our history and this movement in some ways got started as a as a response and just average Jewish people who may may not be involved with institutional Jewish life, saying no, actually that's ours too, and no one else gets to be over US and. Our history means something to us, and and has set of demands for the way we act right now. Echoes of Your Beautiful Bonus episode there, but how Judaism belongs to all of us I love that you brought up. Act Up I WANNA. Talk a little more about that beautiful moment at the meeting in central falls with the singing and the Chabad candlesticks and the and the wine in. I mean it was a gym it was it was like a it was like a gym that we were gathered in where where we disrupted and made our presence felt on Chabad. I want to name it because when I think through my entire mental library of powerful ritual Jewish experiences in my life. In synagogues outside of synagogues wherever they've been to moments rise to the top and one. Is that evening? That Friday night in that Jim and people came up afterwards. WHO said like? I've never felt anything really in a Friday. Night Service and this wasn't like a Friday night service by the book in the way that many people think but people were coming up to me and saying like I felt something away I haven't felt in Jewish space before and I certainly felt that. That and then the other moment that rises in my ritual library to the top is when I was in DC at an if not now action outside of the APEC conference dominating a service there I think somehow we still can't get over this hurdle where we see those kinds of services, those those kinds of rituals is like That's the altar Judaism. That's the Judaism you do every once in a while on the side, but mostly you go to a synagogue or Lake, whatever traditional kind of Jewish institution, and like I feel as if you, and by the way in Providence, one beautiful thing of all this is that like actually the local synagogues and federation like they were actually and our deeply involved in in many of these actions and showed up. It wasn't just lake. It was a mixture of people with all sorts of different connections or lack thereof to the Jewish institutions in town that we're all coming together forming a coalition in partnership with undocumented people in partnership with other allies in the community like it was a really spectacular thing there, but what I what I want to ask is like. What happens to people maybe to to you, but what's the theory behind? What's happening to people that are at these actions and like? Why do they happen? Jewish Li like you could do all of these same things we could do all of these same things, but without Chabad candlesticks without grape juice without like without Hebrew songs. We could do a lot of same stuff, but. There's a conscious choice to do so through Jewish lines, which I which we the Holocaust analogy piece in the ways on immigration that it ties together are very clear, but why in general would one do justice work through a Jewish lens as opposed to just you know being part of broader work I mean I know both of you do that, too. Not just the Jewish Lens, but it was like. Why do those moments seen to people so deeply in a way that is not just touching. They're like activists muscles, but they're Jewish muscles as well. And maybe the real question is. How do we transcend that idea that sort of the Jewish happens at the synagogue. You would leave. You would leave on Friday at that. You would leave that action at six thirty on Friday to go to your sort of real service opposed to realizing Oh. This is my service this week, you know. I would say that the reason actions like the one this board meet in dot. We effectively canceled right. They cancelled appointed an because we were singing Chabad. Prayers the reason the resonate so much for me is sort of contained in one of the chance or song that never again action. Uses frequently, which is we've got ancestors at our back, and we've got generations forward when I get from that in from these actions that we have all the tools at our disposal to see the world that we want to see right if it's Friday at six PM. We know what to do. Ray and we also know that we're doing it for generations forward and I think that also ties into the question of being the Holocaust. We know what genocide can. We also know the genocide happened before the Holocaust it's happened since and we need to do everything we can to make sure that what's going on right now doesn't get to the point of genocide I have a friend who worked in conflict resolution in transformation in Rwanda, and when she was in Rwanda, she's Oak. About the Holocaust her family's experience with the Holocaust and to the children she was working with though is so much power and hope in realizing that they were not the only people who had ever seen John I. And realizing that this isn't experience, die, we can all learn from and fight together to people who a have experiences with genocide learning that this is a historical phenomenon that can repeated south. and has happened before is valuable in the sense that it. It allows us to be agents in history and understand south as capable of preventing it from happening again. Which is I think what? The power in in never again action is it allows us to be agents of history knowing what we know about genocide and knowing what we wish Germans in. Had done a couple of generations ago. Lexin I sometimes debate about what what can we say? That's definitive about Judaism. If anything you know when we're backward-looking, can we say that Judaism does X., or can we just say that? One Judaism, one version of Judaism has done extra versions of. Next I almost feel like to the extent that we can say anything about Judaism, one of the things that we can say is that definitional to Judaism is that we imagine that are past? Suffering has present and future meaning right at it, and maybe sometimes we could debate. Does that mean that we should protect ourselves versus that we should protect others? We can debate about that, but the idea that something terrible happens to us and we shouldn't talk. Talk too much about it, or it's kind of you know we hold it tight. We don't. We don't sort of publicize. That's like it feels to me like the opposite of a Jewish way to to to deal with something now. Maybe we say something about the Holocaust. It's too soon. The exodus from Egypt I mean that was a long time ago. We can talk about that doesn't involve somebody S- current family. You know memories or something but I. Always felt to me. Kind of false to the way that Judaism works that we wouldn't take the Holocaust and actually turn it into a driving force for doing something, and for those of us who are inclined to read it as like you're saying that that it becomes potentially a galvanizing force for us to help others and make sure nobody else suffers this way ever again. It sort of seems like we have a sacred duty to do that and you know brings me back to the point of sacrifice. What when we kind of. Hold Germans to account and I don't mean the Germans. Who who perpetrated the Holocaust? I mean the. Germans, right what? We're imagining that they ought to have done that. They didn't do was somehow sacrifice rate was somehow risk their own safety in order to protect us, and it feels like when we are in a position analogous to that when we have the opportunity to do that, even if when we're to say that what might happen to the person or to that? That community of people is not as bad as what happened to the Jews in the Holocaust. I'm not saying that that's the case. But even if you said that that was the case, nevertheless what we should derived from our own experiences that we should act the way that we would have wished that others would act towards us, I mean it seems sort of elemental. For me, that makes me want to hear more about how the two of you think about Judaism and what the point of it is, and how how what you're Utopian version of a future. Judaism might be and I'm curious. If you could sort of talk a little bit about for you, what Judaism would feel like to you? That didn't include this kind of action. I guess I'm asking you to reflect on the Judaism, that you've. Inherited to some extent. Or that you might have been expected by the community around you to participate in this connects to some extent. To our previous conversation about what happens on campus with Jewish life verses that Judaism that in some way you are trying to construct or reconstruct, that would have more power for you, and perhaps for others like you. I mean if we're talking about like vision for a dream world, I dream Jewish community. To me, that's like definitely inherently tied to my politics. What I want the world to look like so we're talking no prisons, no police, no ice Ben, we can. Get to the. Other more spiritual questions I think it's related, because it also means a community that is invested in healing that's invested in transformative justice in addressing interpersonal harm in a way that. is respectful to survivors in all members of the community it means. A community that's actively invested in leveraging our resources are privileges to help our society. It means a community that is invested in lifting up parts of the Jewish community like the Sephardic armies, Rafi traditions that are often left out in the US. It means lifting up blocking indigenous, Jews it means a lot of singing to me, means investing in relationships, and not in buildings or what we might think of as institutions. Yeah, I'm curious. Rebecca was say to. To. Me Judaism and activism feel like two sides of the same coin in that they are away from me to find whatever the opposite of nihilism is there a way for me to find? Some sort of meaning in my life, they helped me connect to something outside of myself and bigger than myself and find comfort in that weather. That's a place in the struggle for justice that has always been happening. A will always be happening in our world or a connection to a spirituality higher than myself, they helped me process pain. They helped me. find joy I mean we haven't talked in some ways about the more joyful moments in these actions, but there really have been true moments of joy dancing in the streets outside of detention centers, or like watching a live stream of the Rhode Island action, and seeing a massive crowd chant in unison were canceling this meeting Chabad Shalom, and that begins Singing Zimmer at Ya. Just felt spiritual to me. I find in both activism and Judas Emma, a sense of connection to a history and to a future. That I can learn from and have obligations to and. I am not saying that. Every activist has to have that relationship or every Jew has to have that relationship because it's something very personal but part of. The Jewish identity outside of institutions and organically created by Jewish. People in the streets for ourselves one of the reasons. It's exciting to news because it gives everyone that freedom to. Find what is meaningful to them and be supported. To lean into it and learn from it and be nourished by it in community with other people. I KINDA WANNA. Come full circle to some of the. Questions that have come up both the extent to which there are real generational dynamics happening here in the extent to which I love how both of you have questioned them to talk about how you're the youngest one and the core team in Providence hurt in Rhode Island because that takes us all the way back to the first episode of Judaism. Unbound I mean. Mean, Dan and some of the first things that came out of our mouth, were reflecting on okay lex millennial, which at the time meant ooh LEX young new new Jewish professional, or whatever not that I? Like that term to professional, but I'm at the time we talked about you know a millennial and his gen-x and we think that there's interesting things that that will. Will Affect our frames of reference, but also questioned on day one. The idea that everything is generational and everything is contextual. When you were born like we said there's a lot of people who feel alienated from Jewish Institutions, who it's not because they're young, I mean there's plenty of boomers who are alienated from tuition. There's plenty of people who are in their seventies eighties. Eighties beyond who are native from Jewish institutions if they literally can't access them because of their abilities and disabilities, there's plenty of people of all ages where some of the things we talk about as sort of unique problems of one age in distinction from problems of another age might actually be the case, but basically I wanna I wanNA. Shoot back to you like. Yes it is the case, and it's important that especially locally this work has been intergenerational and the and the piece that the power of that never again power Nadia Song of. Ancestors that are back generations forward I think holds that it as a sacred value that we're that we're gonNA. Be Transformational And I think it needs to be said that this rose from largely people who are on the general younger and of the spectrum in terms of who was at that I new Jersey action, and then there was sort of. There was a there was a way in which and honestly when I was at the accident. I felt like one of the the older ones that they're i. mean maybe I was wrong. I felt like I was one of the older ones at that action. And I was really energized by the fact that that was the case, so what I'd love to close with is like. What specifically do we need to be learning from people? Who are young often starting up these incredibly beautiful, powerful, national and international movements What are we specifically need to learn from from people on the younger end of the age spectrum? Everybody loves to talk about little things like Tiktok and whatever else, but like what's what's bigger than that and on the other hand? How should we be pushing ourselves to recognize that like? This isn't some new moment where we've replaced. The wisdom of our elder is like we. We still need the Arthur. Ask goes in our room desperately. I see people on both ends of the age spectrum, so our youngest people and leaders and our oldest people leader sometimes discounted or not taken seriously as real leadership. In both cases, I think it's wrong and really does a disservice to our community, because they're so much wisdom and leadership there, and so in terms of how to engage with young people at saying gauge with them as leaders I in as activists and. As? Young people second because they are leaders in their own right. The youth movements that are transforming our world, really I. Feel should have been conclusively demonstrated that at this point. Creating a space where everyone is invited in and respected and listened to. Invites that intergenerational magic. I, think the conversation around Gen Z. Activism or Jen's US politics I don't know I kind of I. Don't really like that conversation. Because the Black Panthers were, boomer is an honest party was bigger in the sixties than it is now and. Radical politics changes over time, and maybe it's easier to find these things with the Internet now maybe but. Often when we talk about Jen's being inspiring, which they absolutely are, it's a way to ignore the work that's been happening or absolve ourselves from being of the work. That's ongoing and. Someone who's eighteen, seventy, thirty five someone, his seventy on his forty four. All of us have a job to play in building a better world, and it behooves us to ignore the talking points that like Gen Z. will fix the world Wednesday, come in power, because all of us have power, and all of us have a role to play in this struggle, and it's just about investing in and supporting leaders as they come up at any stage of life. Thank, you so much for doing this fantastic conversation and we're always thrilled to learn from both you. so awesome to be in conversation with you Becca and thank you Lexin Dan for having us. and. Thank you of course to all of you out there listening. We hope that you enjoyed this episode. We're also going to really we're going to really plug the past appearances of tall and Becca. Andre deism unbound tall was, and our episode called Judaism on our own. BECCA had a beautiful bonus episode about who Judaism belongs to listen to it to learn more about what that phrasing might mean. and Becca is also. Our are twenty twenty year long. Studios unbound fellow, and is just doing amazing work. Stay tuned for more when L. Arises in not too long month of elul in which Becca is creating some really wonderful stuff and. A BIG! Thank you to all of you out there for listening to their voices once more on. 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Episode 229: Primary Experience - Dan and Lex

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Episode 229: Primary Experience - Dan and Lex

"Support for this episode of Judaism unbound comes from the Osman Family JCC in Palo Alto. California whose vision is to be the architects of the Jewish Future. The Schmidt Family JCC's is an incubator for new expressions of Jewish identity. It creates innovative learning celebrations, arts programs that inspire personal connections to people and ideas from across the Jewish world learn more at www dot. Palo Alto JCC DOT Org. This is Judaism unbound episode two hundred twenty nine primary experience. Welcome back everyone I'm Dan Lee Benson and I'm. Let's Roessberg and we are here to do a recap episode as we as we do. After a bunch of interviews, I feel like we're trying to get Judaism unbound sort of back on track in a way after the last three months in which we've done these somewhat similar, somewhat different things. Relating to the situation we've had a lot of previous guests talking about things that related directly to Covid, and now we're starting this process of moving back towards what we've been doing all along on Judaism unbound, which is looking at all the things that we should be thinking about in terms of the Jewish future and I. Think it's interesting to think about how that fits with Cova could clearly this is now a new element in the Jewish future that we have to keep in mind while it's going on after it ends, I mean there's a lot you know everything has changed. Changed and yet you I also have this feeling that I want to go back to our conversations that don't always only have to deal with covert or things that are related to that I'm not sure if that's the right answer. Not, but that's kind of where I'm sitting right now before we jump into it I to put out there the the word, the requests that we usually do in these kinds of wrap up episodes, which is that if you're someone who listens to Judaism, inbound regularly and or somebody who's been really appreciating what we've been putting out there through Jewish live. The thing that we really need from folks is financial support just a little bit. It adds that there's a lot of people out there. That are using this stuff. I unfortunately they're not all of sending in their donations, but we imagine a time when when people really will and wanted to and I know. At least a lot of people are sitting at home these. These days, maybe they have a few extra seconds to head over to our website. Which is www dot judaism unbound dot com slash, donate and make a small donation. We really aren't asking for thousands of dollars. We're really saying that if everybody out there was listening was giving a dollar for every episode that you listen to so if you listen to every episode. Episode, you know something like fifty dollars a year that would be a really great way to support a Jewish nonprofit, and these days as things are all changing and a lot of the big nonprofits are really struggling, you know because some of these other business models that are not about being supported by the people who are most actively using what you're what you're doing. Doing are running into some challenges these days, and and so maybe a different business model is really called for now, and we're trying to put that into the world, so let's jump into our conversation. I know that this is a little bit in country. Diction to what I just said about not wanting to talk about covert so much, but we're good contradictions. But I think that it actually it's something on my mind. We talked about it a little. You push back at me a little bit, but I want to put it out there because I think it actually connects to some of what we've been talking about. In particular are amazing conversation with Casper Kyle about his much more amazing book, the power of ritual, which by the way I keep emphasizing I mostly listen to audio books in my life and. The real frustrations for me in wanting to read all these Jewish books is that they often don't come out audio books. I I should note also by the way for for fans out there that the orchard Baio He Brandis, which I translated is going to come out with as an audio book finally after. A couple of years, and that's GonNa becoming this spring, so that's super exciting to me because I love audiobooks and cats, audio comes from the Hebrew words in Ya, which means until God's, so it takes you towards holiness. That's why you love audiobooks so much. That is there is an and so Casper's book is read by Him and if you listen to. The episode a few weeks ago that we did with him. You will know why that is a major selling point of the book so anyway. Kasper's book talks about. About this idea among others that we should be treating the things that we do every day as rituals or as potential rituals that we can make meaning out of the things that we do every day I've actually been thinking about a variant of that. That has to do with things that we may not do every day, but that we ought to do every day, and that may be having them. Become. ritualized is a way to make sure that we do them every day, and perhaps a way that we can influence others. Others and what I'm specifically talking about is wearing a mask because these days as I walk around the streets in my neighborhood I see people that are walking around without masks, and it's not people that are like on a walk on a solo. Walk through the park, and they're not near anybody, and so you could argue you know that's a legitimate you. You just put a mask near near near people and you're not able to socially distanced, but I'm talking about unlike a busy street and a busy pedestrian street and I walk. Walk around and I see a lot of people wearing masks that I also see a lot of people, not wearing masks and I'm thinking that you know you and I have talked about different ways to think about the should, and ought in Judaism, but I kind of aspired to a world in which no Jew could not wear a mask, the idea that that what it means to be a Jew is to wear a mask and I think that the the way I draw some of that that thinking is you know from. Firm pieces of Jewish. Wisdom that are very ancient like the idea that one who saves a single life saves the entire world or the idea of the stranger you know, and the mask is less about protecting yourself and worry about protecting others from you so love. The Stranger feels feels apt to that and I'm thinking about like with there be a way in which a mask could kind of be the new. You know the symbol of being Jew and one that. Wouldn't have religious connotations the way that I perceive keep, it'd be a no. You have a different take on it, but I'm thinking like. Could we somehow create a mask that you would wear it? As kind of an active Judaism and it would be like a lot of the ritual garb that Judaism tends to have like. If we're talking about Kifah or tireless or the the tallest, it goes under your shirt, the the sort of a small version of that many Orthodox Jews where and a lot of times. It's meant to be kind of a reminder to you about these kind of obligations that you've taken on. On and also assigned to others outside that I am Ju- and what it means to be a Jew ideally is that that means I have these values and I and I care about There's etc and I don't actually think necessarily that the ritual garb that we have in Judaism today actually accomplish that, but I think that like a GE mask would, but I am intrigued by the notion of saying. Are there new Jewish rituals that we could create out of things that we ought to do every day even though we may not actually do them every day. That's a little different from what Casper is talking about. So, you're right that I feel mixed about this, but I feel i. feel some things that are very positive about it. So what I agree with is I. Think we have an issue with Jewish clothes or signifier 's where those clothes are signifies, do not mean to people like. Ethical commitments. Like I I don't think I. I mean they might indirectly I i. don't think that they're entirely independently from me wearing the. Does serve certain kinds of ethical reminder, but like I think for most people wearing star of David or a high necklace or Anything that is like a common Jewish article of clothing or jewelry, or whatever it doesn't lake, say anything about how you act or what you think which. I think see that as less of a problem than you do, but I still acknowledged that. It is a problem I'm with you that I would like an I. actually wear some some kinds of Jewish, things that do signify ideological commitments. Some of my potent you know I I have like an if not now Yarmulke of from the Organization of that now that I've been actively involved in that does all sorts of work for justice, and specifically focuses on and Jackie patient work, which is exceedingly important right now as annexation of Roaches, but. I think that we should be flexing that muscle and I think that what's under the surface for why we don't have more of that is a kind of insecurity or lack this this historical thing where like sure the Evangelical Christian not deceiving Doug like Christians can have their big signs on the street with quotes from the Bible, or whatever, but like we sort of. We don't want to be to pub-. We don't want to be too loud and public and we don't. Like it draws attention like what if that leads to people who don't like the quotes that were saying are the logical saying like doing terrible things to us from our perspective I am not denying any of that's real, but I think we need to really state that like there are things in this world that matter more than. The fears we have about Jewish safety. There are actually those things now. My question is to go to your specific with the mask like. By definition even as you and I are aligned that covert is GonNa be a long time and that we all should be wearing masks for a while. It's not a long term I. mean you and I talk about schemes of hundreds and thousands of years like it's not at all the case I don't think that that wearing a mask will be the same kind of ethical commitment in even five years I mean. Maybe at like that would be awful. I hope it's not like that's part of my concern about the mask, but the other piece is practically. I'm not sure how much you could read out a mask. And how close people look at them? And then there is for me the question of whatever some people talk about virtue signaling. That's not really the the right term, but look just sort of the the way in which it would just be sort of like that it could be if not done thoughtfully just sort of a shorthand way to feel like you're doing action that stands in for for broader action and like right now in a moment where I especially think that there's a real obligation for all of us especially those who are white to be participating in racial justice struggles. Struggles if I were to have a mask I would want it to send a message along those lines, and and start to send the message that Jewish act is is to stand in solidarity with black lives. I don't want to spend time with the Jews who are out there screaming all lives matter, or who are not actively not wearing masks and endangering people like that's not my group of people, and I feel more in common with somebody who's not Jewish but but shares more values than those people to go to like Arbor neighboring tests that we always talk about but. I still think that that there's some like obstacles with the the mask, and so I've been thinking about like tattoos, which I think especially. If you put them in someplace that you could easily show to the world and I also thought about this is you know an appropriate of act, but from a powerful like hegemonic culture thought about the Jesus Bracelets, the what would Jesus do bracelets like for a long time I actually wore a bracelet every single day it broke at it. Nothing changed, but like the broken I didn't replace it with the same one I wore one from a nonprofit that I hold very dear. It. It was very important to me and nobody else knew this. They probably didn't even know it. Meant said C champions on it, which is now an organization called connecting champions, but it was this Rainbow Blade Bracelet and for me. It was a reminder of some of my. Commitments to better, the world, and also because it was a rainbow, it had like a little part that was blue, and so given that the Torah talks about having like a blue thread in your seat seat in year reminder. Shawl that's in your on your having a reminder on the threads of your outfit. Basically, that was like kind of my blue thread, and it did on occasion actually might look. I had the experience of looking at me like Oh yeah I like need to act a certain way. It works that ritual so so I. Agree with you that that it's a real issue that we need to like have. Commitments. In our fabric in our garments in our selves I'm not as convinced about how to go about it. In some ways I think that you and I often are saying the same thing, but meaning like. Wants to hang around with the Jews who were saying all lives matter any of that. Know, we're not wearing masks, not doing any of the things that like we think on an ethical level like people should do and. I think one difference is that I wanNA define Judaism as rose people whereas you are taking a much more. Historically don't want anybody else to have that power who don't want to. Do It, I wanted I wanted to happen. Naturally indefinitely meaning what I WANNA do is create a is and the way that I. think that this kind of thing happens right I'm not looking for some rabbinic authority to mandate that all Jews should wear masks. For example, I mean I'm trying to suggest that somehow we make it a norm by just doing it, but doing it in a in a very consciously Jewish manner, and then people who are into that will follow in. It'll grow and grow as a practice so now I don't I don't know if that's a mask I. I am intrigued by the idea of a mask only because like I wanna be able to you. I I'm troubled by the idea that that a Jew who takes Judaism seriously would go out without a mask like that feels very troubling to me and I. Don't know exactly how you know societal norms or societal rituals like hazards talking about how they come about I think they come about by people that you admire doing them, and you know one person does it in the present. That's cool. Where'd you get that mask? You know and. and and eventually it catches on what that could be a mask it could be t shirts like I'm actually intrigued by the idea that if you could wear a T. shirt every day for a year. How who's GonNa want to go out into the world again with a tight, and so I think there's an opportunity to design lines of t shirts that are maybe a little bit, a little bit more presentable or something like that, but that have like slogans on them, or you know or like little, but in a certain way that fits in the zoom screen or or whatever? Whatever you know, and and again I could imagine that like there's a Jewish line of t shirts. You know that like the expectation. Is that everybody by seven of them? You know they're sold in packages of seven now. You're trying to sell me on it and you know I love my seven. See what you, so we're trying to like. The expectation is that we want? Want people to wear these t shirts every single day, and they each have some kind of like phrase from the Jewish tradition that, either can be about like caring for the health of strangers or like you say black lives matter you know. Maybe they can have like double slogans because they can say something like you know. I think I've seen a sign that says something like. Like black lives, matter is Kuno Law or something like that you know, and and so you know whatever they might be, but the idea is that we could remind ourselves, and we could also I don't be in virtue signaling in the way that says to others like hey. I believe in this stuff, but actually I don't do anything about it, but that signals to others. Others like I do do things about this and I think it's an ethical imperative and I want you to also, but if you see me walking on the street when there's not a protest going on, you don't know that I'm a big supporter of black lives. Matter. If I wear a t shirt all the time that says black lives matter than than you do and so. So what I'm looking for is a way to both explicitly tie that to Judaism and by that I mean the Judaism that I'm hoping that will come about not necessarily the Judaism that has been in the past and that, and where you kind of are creating doing something that I think actually is a Jewish tradition has been a Jewish tradition. Right which is using our. Our clothing in a conscious way to signal to ourselves and others return, remind ourselves and signal to others who we are aspiring at least aspiring to be in the world and I'm intrigued by that. I've never been attracted to it. Because I personally have felt that a keeper wearing keep our yarmulke feels to me like it's overly religious like it feels to me like it's. It's about God and I. Don't I don't want to signal something about God and I know that that's not why you wear it. Keep on I think that other people could wear. Keep on different for different reasons, but for me it's always felt like not the symbol that I'm looking for and like a wearing a towel. Sir you know, tell us under my shirt. Just feel like they're too much about God, and that's not what I'm trying to get at what I'm trying to get as the other ethical. Practices of Judaism and so I I'm looking for different clothing that I actually would be willing to wear. You know in order to try to realize those beliefs. Positive peer pressure. What you're talking about is creating norms. I firmly agree with you that there are certain things that it repulses me. Not all Jews do or at the very least it repulses me that not all Jews that can. Do, so I I like for me. I, always bring up a have in the past precisely because of the point. I'm making that. I care about this so much. blood donation like it makes me angry. It makes me actually angry that most people who are who are eligible to give blood. Do not regularly. It doesn't make me more. Angry about the Jews than everybody else, but like because I'm part of the Jews and spend a lot of my efforts on making the best Jewish community I can. It bothers me that there isn't a positive peer pressure in place like it should be embarrassing. I'm sorry to say this to listeners who don't give I feel this very strongly but like. It should be frowned upon it should. It should receive the kinds of negative consequence that something stupid in trivial like Bacon and a synagogue would get in most synagogues like. We. Do have pressures injuries like we have tons of them, but we are allocating them in silly ways sometimes, and we should be directing them in life saving way so masks lifesaving done deal for me. I absolutely want there to be that positive professor. I want people and I'm not saying this to be an Asshole, but like the way society works is some people are motivated positively by I really WANNA. Do X. Y. or Z. Right thing. then. There's people who like they don't really want to do that thing or but they're motivated to not cross social lines. They don't want everybody to think that they suck, so they're not gonNA. They're not GONNA be blatantly publicly racist. You usually I mean we still have people who are blatantly racist? But like there's plenty of people who, if there's if the people they care about will frown on them for that thing even if they would do it otherwise, they won't so I WANNA. Create those norms with you I. I want absolutely to to do everything in our power. Power so that it is not comfortable in a Jewish space for somebody to walk in without a mask I. Do not WanNa. Treat it as like a libertarian individualist. Everybody's going to do what's right for them like I believe in collectives and I believe that there are things that actually people should feel are right or wrong, and not just customized to every person I also think there are some things that are customized every person, but like that's an overriding need for our Jewish world and for society, because when we don't create those norms. That's when Shit hits the fan. That like we're still wrestling and still seeing upticks in the number of cases of Covid, because sure we created a norm to some extent, but we never fully. Like succeeded as a society as a collective right, creating the level of normally needed to so there's life or death involved in all of this and I'm with you on that the what we disagree on his sort of what to call it, and like what it would mean for somebody who doesn't toe these Nordic I'm I'm not that interested in like the linguistic exercise of classifying people as okay so if you're doing the thing you're Jewish, if you're not doing, I'm more interested in like. Yeah, let's let's hammer home that norm and and. And make it so that what people are worried about isn't Oh I. Don't know the I don't know how to read the right words on the page and the doer, or I don't I don't know like the right acronyms to drop in conversation to show I'm part of Jewish life. Let's have that stuff. No longer matter to people and what mattered like Oh i. don't want it to look like I'm not wearing a mask. I don't want to look like I'm somebody who doesn't give a crap about saving lives through blood donation. That's what I'm interested. When when sort of connected point that we don't have to talk about at length if you don't want to, and then we can move on to other things, but it's been on my mind relating to cove it and I have to say to start this by saying like look the vast majority of Jewish. Institutions I think have actually done a reasonably good job of being responsible in terms of covert, but what's interesting. Is that how some of them have to do that? You know fighting against some of their members who are looking to reopen and bigger ways and I started thinking like what if we thought about Cova as an Anti Semite? meaning that Komen. That's. Over the last few months than any anti-semites they in you know the memory of. Light. The intersection. In real time, then, maybe maybe by and I, don't mean like a stupid way, but maybe thinking about covert as an anti Semite would also help people understand a little more deeply what we've been trying to say and others trying to say about the real fight being against white supremacy. Not this fight against you know one another you know within minority groups to say he was more oppressed. Know whatever you know, the point is that we. We. All have a common enemy which is white supremacy. You know and with covert. It's like so yeah. It's also killing non-jews you know, but it's going going out there and you know killing a lot of Jews, and if let's say, there was an actual anti-semites around anti-semitic group, and we there were, and also that there are people that are like just fears of rate has makes all these synagogues you know. Put in all these. Security measures by the way many of which end up being implemented in a racist way. But it's like Oh, well, of course we have to do that because there's anti-semites out there you know, but here's the biggest anti Semite of all and we ourselves are actually capable of making that. Anti Semite not able to do its antisemitic actions I, e killing Jews, by like putting on a mask, or by not having services, even socially distanced. You know whatever it's like. Let's just not have services for six months, and nobody should be trying to. To have services. Why because there's an anti Semite on the loose. I would go out on a limb and say I. Know You're right like if there was somebody we don't know how many Jews precisely have died from covert I, I I don't know and it's probably not as simple as looking at the number of cases and divided by fifty cents due to the two percent of the population. It's probably more complicated than that but like. Yet! Let's say even a few dozen. It's way more than a few dozen Jews of died from Kobe. But if there was any person or movement or group that directly on its own killed a few dozen Jews That would over. That would be bigger than Pittsburgh. which was around one dozen Jews and That would automatically be the biggest concern on everybody's communal agenda. You write like that would that feels. I can't state it as fact, but it feels to me like it's not even an argument like that like that that would so clearly unite everybody and everybody's facebook profile frame would be you know standing against that everybody's sermons would be about that, and it's Cetera, et, Cetera now what what the reason why I said like you're doing intersex nowadays like I think what you said is a broader principle. It's not just about covert like we as Jews constantly think of our Jewish interests as like a unique separable thing from the rest of the world and from the world's interests, and you could argue the biggest potential anti Semite right now. Is Climate Change like? It was like a it was a huge confusion moment to to society when two thousand sixteen. It's now more normal to say this, but in two thousand sixteen in the lead up to the election, there was a question in one of the debates about what's the greatest national security threat to the United States and people on the states at all sorts of things and Bernie Sanders was the only one who said climate change. What at any confused people, because like how climate change? That's not like a threat against the United States specifically. That's a threat against public. Guess what if the world ends the United? States ends so like we have to be able to think about and I hope the map I making clear, but like what I'm getting at with. That is you know? Defining nationalist interests as separable from global interests actually doesn't make any sense like there are ways in which both the nation and the world can be threatened simultaneously, just as there are ways in which Jews and everybody else can be threatened simultaneously by a disease. We need to be understanding. The universal not as like this threat to the particular for so long any idea of Jews, doing universal things was called a simulation and seen is oh my gosh, if people only focus on universal like they're gonNa Leave Judaism and Judaism is going to end so like we're gonNA focus on the particular and Jewish education teach it and that way. They won't be apathetic in connect to their people in, but like what if the thing that will connect to Judaism in this moment is the ways in which Jewish participation in the Movement for black lives. Like grows or doesn't if it doesn't by the way like there's plenty of people who that is gonNA. They're not gonNA. Do Jewish part like that is more of a threat than if Rosanno or Passover or Hannukah are particularly interesting or compelling things. This idea of Jewish exceptionalism is one of the greatest threats to Judaism both positive and negative side right because the idea that we should only care about Jewish is a positive way you know obviously nobody says that, but like the implication is that when we talk about Judaism, we're talking about these these like exclude these these these areas that are like secluded off that have to do with ritual behavior, and whatever that yeah. That's the biggest turnoff to Judaism for many Jews. And the idea that we should only have fears that are exclusively Jewish. Fears like I meaning like we should only be afraid of somebody who is only an anti only hates Jews. You know these are the most scary people the people that are specifically looking for synagogues to damage or to shoot or to. And of course we should be afraid of those people but. If whether it's climate, change or covid or white supremacy or A wide variety of forces are out there. That are likely to kill many more Jews than any particular, you know exclusive anti-semites mate, then it's absurd that you would spend all of your energy protecting against the kind of exclusive anti-semites and yet fundamentally. That's what we do and. I think it's a new way actually to think about this question of whether rabbis talk. Politics from the Bima. Partisan politics, but you know political issues from the beam of. Climate, change and whatever racism, if you framed a different way and said these are the greatest threats to Jews then, of course, the answer has to be as I mean otherwise what would. Be Right and nobody says that rabbi shouldn't talk about anti-semitism from the Bima yeah well. Yeah, so by the way going back to what you said before about the peer pressure I said peer pressure, but you were talking about in terms of everybody, wearing masks and lake, making it making a world where a Jew like who wouldn't wear a mask would be like really taking a social risk like the that would be like a huge statement, and they would be going against the entire rest of the Jewish population like I'm actually thinking about. Decide about what a rabbi from the. Bima. I feel like and I don't think you'll disagree with me. I care much more about what people say the pews, or or or if there's no pews in the in the kitchen, the in the smoothing afterwards like I think that. What's interesting? Is We so often see what the rabbi says from the front of the room as like the measure of where the Jews are at, but talk to a rabbi, and by the way I'm not saying this as a good thing. I'm saying you kinda cynically. Whatever the rabbi says at the front of most synagogues, not all there are courageous ramblers, but is often the end result of what that rabbi field. They can comfortably say so and whatever they think about whatever issue. A they have to discern whether that's an issue at all that they can talk about from from the Bima without consequences of some kind now I. Don't think most of the time they're going to fired for. It I think that sometimes how it's framed, but like there will be hard conversations and complicate whatever, and that's all peer pressure in the sense that I was talking about poorly, all does political work, and and really is a certain set of things like talkable in. In religious context, or in Jewish context on certain things as Trae F- for lack of a better term for the as you know not allowed, but we should be focused. On how like if if we're just a random person in a synagogue or inundated, see or a Jewish group? That's not an institutionally. What norms are we creating just in our schmoozing like what is taken for granted, and what isn't like this is why things like Pronoun. User so important late like. Okay, so somebody at the front of a room can can give a sermon about lgbtq inclusion, and maybe even that person at the front of the room is wonderful, and no, and like understands how to really be a welcoming and empowering presence to Jews who are queer to people who are if there isn't a sense that like. Oh, my Gosh, if if I say she instead of they. On purpose for or if I forget frequently for somebody who is non binary, who's pronouns like my community member? Like everybody in the room is GonNa be upset with me like we. It's not that I want people to be angry all the time and upset, but we have those norms on something like it is understood and trust me if you're not Zionist, you feel. This incident got like it is understood that like it's not a safe thing to communicate that you oppose Zionism in most synagogues. That is not a safe. Safe thing to say now we could. That could be good. That could be bad like whatever it is. That's a norm that has been created in a variety of ways over time in most synagogues, and it's shifting right now, and it might not be a norm in a few decades who knows but like that's a norm, and if if we're going to have those norms and every social community has them, it's not that Jews have the more like we just we we often talk about them or and make policies about. Not Always, so we just need to think about how like it's actually not just about with an once again. This is not me disagreeing with you, but it's. It's not just about what the rabbi says. It's what. We as a community sort of. Say and do to pave the pathway for the authority figure then say x, Y or Z like my my whole theory of community organizing influenced by momentum and other kinds of ideas like what politicians do. Is is an end result like that vote that comes to the House floor on whatever let's say. The Civil Rights Act of sixty four. It's not like wow, what an amazing bunch! Congress people who like brought that to a vote and then voted the the way that the Civil Rights Act of sixty forward path like no, that is an end result of years and years and years of norm, changing weather the changing the weather, so that like I mean the reason you talk about and changing the weather. It's like sometimes of year. You wear a jacket because the weather is such that if you don't wear, a jacket will be, it will be deeply uncomfortable. If you if you want to create a like. If you want a world where people don't wear jackets, you could try to take everybody's jackets individually, or you could turn up the heat on the world, and then people will take off their jackets, and so what you do as an organizer as you try to, you try to create those kinds of changes where it's not that on an individual individual basis. You like change everybody's opinion. It's that you shift the entire weather of the world that affects everybody in moves. Everybody a little bit on the spectrum of their opinion, so we gotta do that. Jewish -ly. A I really appreciate the distinction that you're making about the rabbi from the Bima and the people in the pews, and I think that that's a good way into a conversation. A little bit of that connects in interesting ways. The conversations that we had over the last few weeks with Zach cabinets on the one hand. Who is the rabbi WHO's You know trying to establish a Jewish approaches to using psychedelics and James Caan. Who is the the rabbi that is working in a cannabis company? And it's interesting because I it's not necessarily only related to the fact that we it happens to be that we were talking about psychedelics and cannabis, so we're actually talking about. The use of certain substances. It's part of that is what I want to talk about. The other part that I find intriguing right is that. James is working as he's a rabbi, and he's actually very conscious about calling himself a rabbi, and he but he works in a company you know. And he believes that he is bringing his perspective as a rabbi has his ethics values to in a as a rabbi to accompany, and in particular to accompany where you know, society has questions about its ethics and May maybe maybe wrongly, but I mean it's I I'm not sure I, personally, of course as I've been saying all along I. Don't believe that a person has to be trained as a rabbi in call themselves go to. To rabbinical school and get ordained to do what James is doing, but I'm intrigued by the idea that at least some way some way in which you really immerse yourself deeply in Judaism, and then you go off, and you do something not not definitional Jewish as a profession I think that that's really interesting, and with Zach we may be in a society toward a society in which I have right of reasons and I know not everybody will even come close to agreeing with this, but perhaps in a safe way we actually are able to, or we'll be able to get something. Something closer to a prophetic experience, a primary religious experience that the prophets probably had whether because they were using substances, or because they were able to get to those places through meditation or other means but and by the way I would throw meditation in here as well, and there are other means that don't involve substance use that allow people to get to these really elevated states of consciousness and I think we're seeing a lot of that and I think that the idea of what religion is or again i. don't know if we want to call it religion, but whatever we know. Know what we're talking about. That is very different when you're talking about a small number of people in charge, who may or may not have had some kind of primary experience with God with the divine with substances with something and they they experienced something really really powerful, and they then try to translate that in some way so that regular people can have some version of that experience. It's actually a very different situation when the people can have the primary experienced themselves and again we're talking now because we just had these conversations about the primary experience being that that sort of psychedelic. Like radically spiritual experience, but I think it also connects to the idea that we've talked about all along throughout this podcast that most people are able to now have the primary intellectual experience that in the past only the leadership class has been able to have with with Jewish ideas and so I'm imagining a world. We talked about this a little bit offline the other day where I'll put it out there in a certain way which I'm. To a world in which either nobody is a rabbi. Rabbi for me. Basically it would amount to the same thing because I think the question isn't what the title is. The question is like I. Want a world in which not necessarily be everybody okay I want to be caught in a word, but huge numbers of people are capable of and sort of expected to deeply immerse in the primary substances of Judaism and don't mean drugs there I mean like. Like the material love it, and there's some expectation that like that's part of what it is to become a Jewish adult. Let's say and the expectation is not then that you then go and you. You become a professional Ju, the expectations that somehow you absorb these experiences, these values these virtues, these these positions moral ways of thinking, and then you go off into the world and bring that Jewish. Experience into the world, so that you make the world a better place, and if we only have like one percent of the population less being rabbis than you know, basically, they all have to be produced professionals because like we need. If you know twenty five percent of user quote, rabbis than we can imagine a world in which you know, everybody kind of goes out, and it brings Judaism into the world, which is just a profoundly different way to think about Judaism I think, and it goes to what you were talking about earlier in the sense that it's just saying it's like yeah Jew. Judaism is not a narrow Judaism is not just about Judaism. You caught where I was going to go. Which is like absolutely? It's an extension of what we said before so like. We can take James Marijuana. It's a big company like they're. They're big company and I don't know how many Jews versus others by holistic industries products I. I have no idea My honest question to people would be like okay. You have to hypothetical. Rabbis one of them serves a congregation of. Of One hundred and fifty people who are all Jews. Probably I mean there are some cool congregations that allow kinds of membership for those who are Jewish, but like what's most of them. They're probably all Jews or in the process of converting to Judaism. That's one kind of person who is a rabbi. Nobody questions that that person is doing rabbinic work. That's obviously seen by everyone is we're going to work now? Take that identical person or somebody comparable and say they're working for holistic industries and holistic industries is having an impact Let's say for her of argument. It's also one hundred and fifty Jews I think it may be much more likes. Let's say it's the same number, and it doesn't need to be holistic industries, but like let's say there's somebody working for a quote, Unquote Secular Company, or for even to secular nonprofit, an interfaith nonprofit I know people who are rabbis who serve like interfaith, these or are interfaith chaplains, or there's somebody who works for like a you. You Church. UNITARIAN universalist. Here's like I. Think if you said to somebody. This serves a hundred fifty Jews and four hundred others who aren't Jewish like all of a sudden. It's like. Well, is that person a rabbit like they're not really serving just Jews so like. Are they really doing rabbi work, or is it a different thing like when I tell people that I? Don't WanNa work in synagogue. Oh, so you won't really of be practicing as Ravin like no I'll be practising. Practising means like it's an imperative to me that we achieve what you're talking about where we recognize that because at the end of the day when you break it down, it's like an offensive. It's like you could be doing all of the work that the. You. Let's say once again. Represented argument, there is a rabbi who serves the same number of Jews as deeply I'm not claiming that holistic industries has the same kind of deep relationship with its customers that that senator does with a small minority of its members, but. Like, let's say that there was somebody who worked for an interfaith nonprofit. That is tanner, ten percent Jews and mostly others, and it's really big, and it's a rabbi who is the in who is in charge like it's offensive to me to to think that that is somehow like rabbi with an asterisk or like, because that implies that the role of Rabbi or the role of Rabbi as representative of Judaism is to like. Serve Jews I. Don't think that's what they don't think. That's the project like We could break this down to sater's. Fifteen people at your Seder at your Passover Seder. And they're all Jews for if you have fifty people at your Seder and fifteen of them are Jews and thirty five aren't like. Does the fact that you've shifted the percentage? Mean that your event is somehow like not really Jewish it's interface. No, it can still be Jewish while being other things so if we were create a world where like wow, you walk into a Jewish space and everybody's everybody's talking Oh. Thinking of David is a past guests on her show. He's a judge and and also rab. Where we'd have dozens upon dozens of those kinds of people where it's not at the rabbinic conferences. Oh, you work for a hill. You Work for a different Jewish nonprofit. You Work for a synagogue. It's like Oh, you work for a random. Random I want people to choose carefully and I wouldn't want like personally I would not want there to be a rabbi at like Amazon. I don't think is like a salvageable like I. Think it does problematic things for the world is there, but like in general for for there to be a norm where that's where the process I go to rabbinical school or I? Maybe it's different kinds of school in the future, but like I get some process of ordination, and then the the exercise, the meaning exercise is finding. Finding out where does that plug in specifically where there isn't a rabbi, like not which role of the four hundred roles that have rabbi relic, which ones opening up, and I'm going to then apply to those rules film like you'd actually all of a sudden you looking specifically for places that are not looking for rabbis, but you'd be enlivening those places with Jewish stuff. I'm hesitant to say Jewish values because I, think Jewish is more than just values and beliefs. Blake with Jewish teachings and texts and civilizational projects whatever. So the one thing that I want to add to it, you're saying or clarify in terms of what I was saying. It's like imagine that I. You know, imagine that are. GIG Heerden didn't continue and I went off to you. Know and I got a job at holistic industries. I'm not a rabbi I. WANNA be a rabbi but I think that I've absorbed enough about Judaism an enough about like all the kind of orientations that that James absorbed in rabbinical school that that I think that I could have a very analogous role at Listrik Industries that James Does, and so I'm imagining a world in which there's this whole world of non rabbis meaning I, don't Wanna I totally agree with you that I would love to see a future in which like the rabbinical convention includes people say. Oh, wait which marijuana distributors work for. You know anything but I also like to see a convention of people who work in any given industry, and you know they get together. At eleven o'clock at the bar. We're GONNA have a gathering for all the people who've gone through theschmidt school. Meaning like there's something else. That is not necessarily a rabbi, but it's a deeply immersive experience of Jewish. Christians I think tend to call it formation. You know that there's some kind of process that you go through where you're. You're just a lay your lay person on the other end of it, but you've kind of. Gotten a lot of like really deep spiritual ethical, whatever you know, and also knowledge, and so like I guess there have been some times when we've put out a call for for various ideas of our listeners. They're interested like what if we opened a Schmidt Pinnacle Fool? What if it was like a two year program? You know digital, and and you could sort of like deeply immersed in Jewish. Jewish study, and in like you know I don't know what it looks like exactly, but the various parts that are in rabbinical school that are not necessarily the the parts about the their rabbinic role of the beam. You know, bet like pastoral care and I don't know what the curriculum would be, but it would be this like deeply immersive. Serious thing like I'm not taking talking about taking like. A course once every three years. I'm talking about like a deeply serious. Not Rabbinical. It's not as smug articles like. Let's make the Jewish heretical school to me. It's like in order for this to work. We have to stake out. We are in a sense, really not only not the same, but like sort of. Contra certain for, and it's not that we have something against rabbis once again I'm in rabbinical school and going to be ordained, but like there are real deficiencies and gaps resulting from a Jewish world, where that is the major pathway to most of the lake, people who are seen as the highest level of leaders we need the people whose project is not preservation of this Jewish system. Are Jewish inheritance whatever we call it? We need people who trained specifically. To to end the thing in certain ways like we actually aren't okay in all and a lot of ways and we need desperately to change. We really need people who. Are trained and then go out into not specifically Jewish spaces into spaces that are still Jewish I'm saying specifically uniquely Jewish distinctly Jewish only Jewish. We need people that are in those, because that that is when the possibilities open expansively that James talked about at the end of his episode like he doesn't have any lines to toe. He close with the what I thought was a beautiful sentiment. That I've I've heard. Rabbis expressed privately, but not publicly for precisely for the reason he identified, which is, he is free to say what he wants publicly because he doesn't have like a Jewish constituencies specifically. That's GONNA. Push back and he said you know. Religions made up God's made up. Torres made up but that doesn't make it on holier not sacred. It means that we get to make it better. Yeah. I think you have to think that the thing is made up in order to have the permission to make it better like I as somebody who who holds Torah as a deeply important part of my life, somebody who holds? Judaism writ large to the extent. There is a Judaism Jewish stuff as like important lively. Yeah, I, think it's all made up, and that's not me dismissing it. That's me. Giving me like allowing it to have power. Because if it did if it wasn't made up, then it's like an. It's almost like an element on the periodic table with like a defined number of protons and neutrons and electrons and the Tomek mass, and like okay, so that's what it is, and it has these properties, and then when you use it in the world, it does this and I think that we actually are are moving in the right direction I can. I can actually end this episode in in an optimistic note. I think the rate at which we are making it up. Better needs to accelerate, but that's you know for for next time. 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Episode 268: Abraham Did Kill Isaac - Tzemah Yoreh

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Episode 268: Abraham Did Kill Isaac - Tzemah Yoreh

"Support for this episode of judaism. Unbound comes from the family. Jcc in palo alto california whose vision is to be the architect of the jewish future. The oshman's jcc empowers you to experience jewish paths toward a life of joy purpose and meaning through innovative jewish learning and wellness programs community building and initiatives to develop the next generation of jewish leaders. Learn more at www dot palo alto jcc dot org. This is judaism unbound episode. Two hundred sixty eight. Abraham did kill isaac. Welcome back everyone. I'm dan lee benson. And i'm lex roseburg and as we get towards the conclusion of this series of episodes that we've been doing on the bible although like many of our subject. It's one that will come back to where excited today to be talking to the author of a new book that serves as a great introduction to the way that the bible is studied in the modern academy. But it's so accessible and it so fun to read. There's some classics in this field. That are wonderful books. The bible an earth and david and solomon which are both by israel finkelstein and neil. Usher silberman if anybody's really interested in finding a way into this. Send me an email. Because it's really something that i particularly. Enjoy talking to people about and and helping people find their way into by the way reading. Some of this material and critical bible study has been something that's been discussed by previous guests and judaism down. You would think that people who read about critical bible. Study the idea that the bible was written by numerous as opposed to god or moses that would somehow be damaging to people's faith and maybe for some people it is but for other people whose faith has already been shaken in some of those ideas the opportunity to connect to the bible in a different way and to understand the bible still as a really important and powerful work and having never been introduced. Really to how this book might have come about in a different way. Other than the traditional way that it's been taught can be very liberating for people and very exciting and very invading back into judaism. And that's something that we hope that maybe this series has done a little bit for some of our listeners and some of these books are really amazing opportunities to dive deeper into them. Our guest today. Makia acura is the author of a new book called. Why abraham isaac the first stories of the bible revealed and unlike some of the other books which are more organized chronologically. This one is organized. Almost like an archaeological dig where we're really trying to understand. What was that base. I layer of the bible. And then how. And why was it added onto and we look at that story by story by story. And it's just a new way to present this material. In a way that we found particularly engaging and exciting why abraham murdered isaac will be available as an e book. Starting this coming. Tuesday april eighth. You can get it wherever you get e books and it's not san mateo res- first book on the bible. In fact he has written many of them. You can find them. Listed at a site called modern scriptures. It actually has a different website. It's www dot bible criticism dot com. Where you can see a wide variety of his books which include not only books about the bible. He has also written a series of books on humanist prayer because in addition to having to phd's in bible criticism and instant wisdom literature is also a humanist. Rabbi he hasn't rabbinical ordination from the israeli affiliate of the international institute for a secular humanistic judaism. We've had a number of guests related to the humanistic jewish movement on the podcast over the years and he is now the rabbi of the city congregation of new york which is the humanistic congregation in new york. City san mateo. Welcome to judaism unbounded so great to have you. Thank you very much in this book. You talk a lot about what you call the original bible. Could you tell us a little bit about what that original bible is what you mean by when it when it was written. What is this original bible that you're finding within the bible as we know it what i mean by that is that it's missing the first story from the logically that was written down and then every subsequent story was built upon it So that's what i mean by. The original wide will probably more accurately the original original torah. Tell us a little more about what that means to sort of. Open up a version of the bible that we have which is to say. I don't know the unoriginal early like another version. And what is that like archaeology task. Like where you're sort of a us. Rq because it seems like digging. It's like you're you're looking through layers and the second question who cares. They're a great sentence or two in your book. So one person wrote the bible or twenty five people wrote the bible like so what we have a thing like. What is it. What are the ramifications if multiple people wrote this or if there was an original source or not. I liked the comparison an archaeology. You know it's a productive one. Because i 'cause the way i look at the at the toronto especially is that it's like sediment that cruise i think of layers as opposed to sources posted documents And there's one basic story and then every subsequent author added their own layer to it until it arrived at the tax that we have and so i can i can choose a chapter To choose okay. i'll let me let me just start. Where i started the book. I mean what why. Abraham isaac story of abraham. So let's start with the a chapter twenty one So abraham travelled word the land of the south in live between tradition tour he lived as a foreigner in guar. So you can ask like. Why did i start here. Well it's because it's the first time i identify a particular writer. Why think is is the first writer and identify him here for variety of reasons that actually many other bible scholars agree with me. It's sheer. I where you see elohim rather than other names for god elohim is used beforehand but it is used by a different author an author. Who's very i call. Electric column the accountants very organized. Very you know you see him in genesis one. So he's a very different kind of office so this is the first time i see a story that uses the name. Elohim is really just a story not like a list. Not an accountant. So abraham travelled toward the land of the south between tradition to or he lived as a foreigner in guar abraham said about sarah his wife. She is my sister of king of sent Sarah this is a story other actually three of them. We're a one of the patriarchs. Abraham in two of them and isaac in another at present their wives as their sisters and the monarch in two of the stories takes their sister or wife An another story almost does and so what is the relationship between those three stories than three stories should have relationships. And so which story comes. First story in genesis twelve Which is the first iteration of the story or this story in genesis. Twenty and so for lotteries. I think it's the story in genesis twenty. That came first and over here. This is hard to really fly. Sea in the english but A female king of garage sent and took sarah the verb to take in biblical hebrew. When a man takes a woman has a has a sexual connotation to it It means that he has sexual relations with a woman. So this is of course very problematic. is a matriarch and chapter. Twenty what she gives birth to isaac so her but what she does at this point. is very critical i to know isaac is like where he comes from. Ed if sarah is having sexual relations with so what else. Did abraham made up the father. So you know this. Is this bears a relationship to chapter twelve in the book of genesis. Where farrow takes sarah to his house at again. Chapter twelve sexual relations is implied In fact highly suggested rushie who is a medieval commentator. Says that pharaoh was sick with the ed could could perform you know i. It's a difficult situation it says but it's a but it's a very critical issue and it's not just a critical issue for me. It was a critical issue for a bunch earlier. Rabbis i it's critical in the context of the tax as well and one thing that if i understand this correctly the original author that you're going to be talking about comes from the north of the the land of israel which in biblical times they were two kingdoms in northern kingdom of israel. And this other judah and one of the scandalous things that would be for us today. Scandalous with the idea. That may be. Isaac was not the son of abraham is that that would mean that. We're not descended from abraham right but in the north they didn't think they were descended from abraham so it was no big deal right. This is just a story. About abraham and he had this son who turned out to be the son of a foreign king. And then later as you're gonna get killed them so okay nice story. It doesn't matter because he's not our ancestor right to an extent you're y- that's right meaning in the it. Seems like the popular the myth that these this original story is dying is that jacob was the ancestor and jacob was the son of isaac. And where does jacob come from. Well you know the answer. I give is fairly glib. I say he comes from beersheva But the place which is louie place and you know that you know it's not telling his prehistory But that's because the story has to start somewhere for for the northern kingdom. The story started with jacob and verse. Three God came to of the american dream of the night instead to behold your dead man because of the woman who you have taken for. She is a man's wife that seems fairly straightforward. Okay he'd had sexual relations with sarah adultery. Obeit you know you did not mean to do that but nonetheless that he deserves. The guy seems fairly unjust. You know. you didn't know what he was doing. But the sensor of but his justin what is not just You know it's a story we don't have to you completely tied do those. Are those notions. We can just hold them in reserve for questions leader. So again you see the take it you know taking sexually. Or otherwise if he had just taken her and not anything. Why would he be liable to killed like she should. She should be okay. If you haven't done anything you should be okay Role that implication that they had sexual relations verse. Four immediately goes ahead and says Now if you had not come near her okay. That's a that's news to us. You know considering how what. It was implied. But you have a contradiction. Meaning there's one there's one version The first versus aren't implying that they had sexual relations and now merely says they do not have sexual relations so here we have a contradiction and we have to resolve in the one of the ways we resolve. It is by assuming more than one author. So here's the beginning of that happening in this chapter and so here we have a an interesting dream. Dialogue versus of four to six of you mouth did not come near you. Said more Will you kill even a righteous nation. Didn't she tell me she is my sister. She even see herself. Said he is my brother in integrity of my heart and the innocence of my hands. I done this thing. God's it to him in the dream. Yes i know that in the integrity of your heart. You have done this. I've also withheld from sinning against me. Therefore i did not allow you to touch her. See again emphasized again and again. They did not have sexual relations three times in the course of that. I did not have sexual relations with this guy. I do not have sex with that woman. Yes but there's another. There's another a very interesting aspect to these verses. And that is that this is a dialogue in a dream. Now if you look at dreams in the enough in the whole the hebrew bible people weren't having dialogues and dreams. That's not something there's one other occurrence of that and that's a really Dialogue that has sold them in in which there's a very very long passage where which delivering really not comparable but Detects is cognizant that it's at odds and says God said to him in the dream it has to remind you that we're in a dream so you're since we may have lost track of the facts for those reasons. I assume that verses four to six were added to this chapter and i assumed that You know we have here a contradiction. We have here Divergent details and we have something that just doesn't occur elsewhere biblical narratives so a scene your occurrence and so for those reasons i would say the versus four to six were actually added by somebody who was very concerned that are not have sexual relations of emails. Which is something very very understandable because the next chapter Has isaac being born and we want to be sure that is experience is through abraham so that brings us to the who cares. I've excited so i get the point. You're making it. I think that it's very very persuasive. I am now. A total adherent of versus four to six a very specific jewish movement of those who will now spouse versus four to six of chapter. Twenty geneticists are new source. You've have recruited me. Now what what. Should i be telling people the ramifications of that are who cares. I think there is a very important meta points to make about this. There's never been one story stories shift and change and we re tell them fits our our cultural generational circumstances and it's a point that you find right in the hebrew bible itself if you look closely enough and then you know it. Loosens like this idea. This is the truth you know. Were you know my reading of the bible is the one that we should you know. Except i look at it through a supplementary. A criminal paradigm stories built upon each other. They're just multiple stories out there in the hebrew bible multiple perspectives and so nobody has monopoly over the story. Why for example with this person who corrected the story to make sure that they emphasize that they never actually had sex first of all. Why did they preserve the story at all. Why did they leave this part of the story where he says he took her. You know why not just kind of race that line and only have the part where they don't have sex like. How do you understand the way that this work happened. I think there was Erasure wasn't part of the part of the bargain. What that means is that There it's crucial people just built on each other and the reason for that is fairly straightforward. It's because detached was regarded as important. You don't you don't you. Don't excise senatorial process that we're very used to in the modern world where we can and reorganized and. I don't think that that was really a part of what was happening a lot in the ancient world maybe to some extent. Maybe when you really disagreed or whatever. But if it's a story that you're bringing out you're preserving and handing it down to the next generation. It's a story respect. So you're not going to tamper with it in that way. You will add you on the margin saladdin. You'll add at the beginning at the end. But you won't actually You won't actually erase. And that's i would say that fundamental key to the way i understand how How the torah and other human by x. developed a follow up on that. I mean i agree with you in many ways. I also want to play devil's advocate cause like by definition if something was in the original bible and erased then. We don't have it so we can't point to it and say Yes a strategy that people used is they sometimes the race stuff because if they raised raised it and so. That's not to say. I think for sure that happened i am. I do think that what you're saying about how something can have cultural cachet so that you can't really race it at a certain point. I think that's true. And i think that there's some complications there and so i guess this brings me to a related question. Which is maybe. I would argue. There's people who are racing right but for those who would say okay. I'm with you. But like i'm not so sure about this original bible i can agree with you that there are different sources happening in this text of genesis twenty. But i'm not sure that one of them is say the original so much as it's part of a source which people you know. They have names for these j. e. n. p. And like they would say yes this points to there being multiple sources that are sort of in conversation with each other and that there's like a redacting putting together at some stage etc but they would argue. It doesn't necessarily point to an original bible from which the others flowed so. I don't really know where. I'm situated in that debate. But i'm curious how you would articulate your case that no this specifically does point to any original bible and not to multiple different traditions in different places or times that were put together. So you're absolutely right that that That's a weak point in any argument. The argument from silence is hard to make. What if something is raised. I will never know that it was a race like we won't know when you make that kind of argument where you have to proceed is through aggregate at each level if you find a story. That's being told the story that is coherent at each stage. It seems more likely. I think that it's more likely that dynamic of erasure was limited. The test of a model in any scientific endeavor is how much it explains. How much new insight you can gain into it. And so i submit that my paradigm might be wrong And i will fully willing to admit that. But i will also argue that. It provides a lot of interesting new insights but how the tax work. And that's why i think it has a that validity to itch meaning. This is just a particular example about the about the of isaac. But let's go to genesis twenty two so we're at the murder scene So while you you may ask. There wasn't a murder and in genesis. Twenty two Before abraham brings down his nice the angel of god calls it from heaven and says do not murder him and then isaac is replaced by ram I mean that's how the story is. A story is told but there is plenty of evidence that somebody was trying to cover up the scene of the crime the most suggestive Um without any biblical criticism at all is verse. Nineteen in a genesis twenty two and that is so abraham returned to his young man and they rose up and went together to their chevaux. What's the problem here is. It's not there something happened to him. Okay you can say that. That's an emission. Okay yeah young. Abraham the stories about abraham on is it so he went but that's really an inadequate answer considering that in previous versus the emphasize that they went together twice in verse six eight and so this is actually very suggestive to Goal mutassim which are elaborations of the of the story of the biblical tax that isaac was actually sacrificed There's a whole book about it. by By sholom spiegel called the last trial and he talks about this tradition of Where isaac was sacked vice So this idea was present in the minds of early rabbis. Interpreting tax and in liturgy in prayers have references to the ashes of isaac. Why do you have registry ashes of isaac. There was no burning The ran was merged so again it was very a people allude to the murder. And then say oh. The murderer didn't happen. You know First of all we have the motive. The motive i think is a abraham abraham sought. That's a flashback. To denison twenty. That seems like that is. It may have been on female sun the early rabbis interpreting tax Were worried about that. Possibility and Had isaac not exactly like abraham because people say if isaac look at abraham so So they address that possibility very early on that is it was abraham son and not someone else's son nelson but they're also has to be god's not why does god ask abraham to do it. Why did you know so you know. The classic testing abraham. but that's a cop out. I would say is a wide is dot test. Abraham wires abraham. Why did abraham warranty is kind of horrible casts. Bit where you're he's many branches face a child again. We have to go back to genesis twenty and we see that did not trust in god. Trust in god is very important to this. I miss i author to this first version of the torah. abraham didn't trust dot because he presented his wife's as his sister he didn't trust god protection and so keep created this horrible scene where of Took sierra into his house and trusting in god is the most important thing for this particular story line. And at now since abraham do not trust in god in genesis twenty he is demanded god demands of him much higher level of of trust of obedience And that's that's why. God commands abraham zach faces. I'm curious about understanding this original bible little more first of all. I just want to reassure the readers that if they read your book they will find that. There's additional linguistic and evidence that you find in the story of the sacrifice of isaac that it really happened that the murderer really happened so just a note on that particular story we can really play it all out but can you talk to us a little bit more about what are some of that author of the original. But what if what are some of the other worldviews that are may be different from the torah as we know it. And maybe some of the other elements that fall into the story like for example. When i was a kid. And i've talked about this that i read richardo at friedman's book who wrote the bible when it came out in nineteen eighty-seven and that was life changing for me. The most exciting thing for me. I remember to this day was the discovery that moses and aaron weren't really brothers that mercer was the northern the leader of the north and and the lineage of the northern priest and erin was the lineage of the southern priests and they only became brothers much later when the north and south merged together and had to create a story to put them together. Other people could hear that and say so. The whole thing is b. s. I heard and i was like oh. This is the coolest thing i've ever heard. So could you talk some about so. I know moses is a very important character in the north. Can you talk a little bit. About who the moses of the north is compared to the most of the south and other things that you think are important. Yeah so. I think it's a as opposed to pretty much every other story in torah. The original bible is a human centered story. God appears in the story. Wes is less of a character in the story. And it's manifest. Particularly with moses moses in a is a is a like Really the hero of the story. He does the plagues by himself. He takes the israelites. Egypt's himself he brings the israelites into the land himself. This by himself was very minimal. Help from god. And he's presented as a as a as a magician if you look at the the bible as it is that is not the way moses presented muslims presented as the stuttered and somebody who is not an effective leader and that the reason for that is to elevate god in the story of the that's the primary reason God in story of the exodus to make god zero and we can find it. Most in the Passover gotta where when retell the story in the traditional gotta moses appears only one time and so you see that trend trying to elevate god and minimize human heroes. That one that starts in hebrew bible ends up you know ends later human characters more black and white heroes in this version of the story. You find much more nuance characterization. In later versions for me. As a humanist i find this version of story inspiring is humans were were the main actors god appeared but you'll humans were the main actors even in the ancient stories. I wanna talk a little more about something. You've hinted at a couple of times. But that. I that i think should be really explicit. You you talked about mid rashes you talked about sort of later takes the come after the bible and sort of either you could terminate filling gaps. Or you could terminate adding on details. Whatever it is and you also mentioned in the same sentence or very near to that that in the bible itself. That's being done. That matters a lot from my perspective. Because the second you accept that as truthful if you do i do like all of a sudden the status of torah of bible of like it's kind of an equalizing maneuver right. It means that the original thing already is kind of fan fiction and the later stuff is also fan fiction so like the idea that that the older stuff must of necessity be elevated above the later stuff kind. I mean maybe it doesn't totally collapse. There's other arguments you could make for. Why you give that sort of precedents. But i think it becomes more complicated and i'm thinking about funny enough. I've become a star wars guy in recent years. And i say that on purpose because it's only been in recent years i did not grow up with a deep connection to the original three star wars movies. I had seen them and they were fine but like i. I wasn't that interested in them to be totally honest. The seventh and eighth star wars movies for me. Not the ninth. The seventh and eighth star wars movies for me were huge and and they. They made me connect in a way that the originals maybe in quotes. Maybe not in quote the originals. The original bible the original stars. They made me connects to this story in a way that those did not and like. I know that you know this. You're you're intentionally triggering me here. yes yes. Dan is very much an originals star. Wars person you know. This is a generational religious debate. So what's also true though. Is that in connecting to the seventh and eighth movies. I've gone and watched the originals gained a deeper relationship ship to them and understood them more. Now i'm also leaving out the ninth movie. Which i think is heinous and terrible for all sorts of reasons and from my perspective. This goes back to what i said before. I don't i just don't treat it as canon as like as if as if it's in the central texas i've just decided that from my star wars. There are eight movies. And then there's the mandalorian which is which is a tv version of it. That goes in its own direction so i was gonna ask where to the prequels fit into this. The i don't hate the prequels to the extent that some people do. But i don't think that they're like i don't spend that much time on them but so all that is to say we do this now like this is not just some ancient rhetorical conversation about a bunch of texts that end of the day like who cares this could have major ramifications for how we understand ourselves today and what licenses we have going to set like. I have decided. They're eight star wars movies in my cannon. I feel like actually allowed to make that decision. Because i don't think that the star wars movies are from god. I don't think that they are like. I'm clearly taking this analogue to farm like i have the right to make my cannon soda. You you have the right to say that there are no seventy nine if you think so. I think that's that's important. Like how could we think about this. Not as some ancient trivial conversation. That doesn't really matter but actually is deeply relevant today. Yeah no absolutely. I lake your analogy to start. He's a lot. And like dan. At probably generational i you know by lake the first star wars i i i must confess. I probably only watched one of the sequels. Because i was so put off by. I'm sorry that's okay. That actually strengthens the point right. Yeah so yeah. I think it's a world of of choice you know. There's not one version of the story that that's right. There's not one version of the story. That's in the bible. That's the right version of the story. There are multiple versions of the story in the hebrew bible in multiple versions of that story and after postal expansions and every one of those stories is one which you as an individual with choice can accept or reject as the story. You like you valorize you. You connect to that. Dynamic is applicable to all to all facets of our you know cultural Artifacts we accepted went we reject and then like it. I liked analogy to star wars. Yeah so can you talk a little bit about the some of the differences of opinion. Let's say within the world of biblical scholarship. Because i think a lot of us who know anything about the because scholarship have been introduced to it via this idea called the documentary hypothesis which is a few hundred years old. I think of their basic idea. Is that there. Were these four independent or quasi independent sources that are each their own document and so there would not be a way to say. There was a quote original bible at at the most you might say they were two original versions which we know of as the east source from the north and the j. sorts from the south and at a later point when they came together it was kind of like the bring in pop culture references peanut butter cup commercials. Where your chocolate fell in my peanut butter and it turns out that it's better together and we merged them together was and we have a bible. You know people come along later and they add some other stuff to it very differently about the what we know. Have basically as the source being the original bible. The oldest went from the north. And then so. Can you talk a little bit about a y. You think that versus the documentary about this is in be. What does that mean again like lexus. So what question like does it make a difference in terms of how we understand the later versions of the bible. I grew up with It as a in the beginning of my graduate school career. Many years ago hebrew university. I grew up with two competing influences. One was my adviser Israel can all who is a proponent of the way i re tax in the other was a barrel schwartz. Who's one of the best advocates of the documentary. Hype boxes But my differences of opinion. really You know are surely fundamental. I do use the same names or the resources on fundamentally it has like. I advocate an increase. It appeared on the chretien stories build on each other in the documentary. Hypothesis advocates Story is being mashed together. Like like i for many reasons. don't buy that happened. Wanted them has to do with editorial process. I don't believe it is a good. You know the way our scholars conceivable mashing sex together as notorial process that really was occurring in the ancient world And you know. And that's a matter for debate. I feel that i play you. Know uncover more through this period. I'm than through the documentary costs and right but again. I'm talking in probabilities and unpacking in extent. Not talking in troops. I don't think that my way of looking at it is the truth and not particularly attached to not you know like religiously to do hypothesis to the documentary sort of supplementary boxes which are not the only ones out there. There's a european fragmentary hypothesis as well. It just An automated that way And i would say that You know that that's probably a big difference between me and documentary Scholar hypoxia That i you know having countered in the united states. But can i ask you one question about how it might matter first of all if i'm understanding this correctly you're saying it. It's it doesn't seem like a most likely scenario to have to independent books in front of you and then to be basically writing a third where you're taking time from this from this it makes more sense to have one and then you're kind of adding to it. That's a kind of more normal way to edit something. So that that's how an editorial invasiveness that i don't think was a was a practice of ancient scribes that you have to do with my old biases every coming from a religious background I i admit that but But i do feel that if that's not a bad bias to have covered to these tax because people writing there were also people religious from a historical standpoint. I'm just curious whether you think about like. I think about if you under the documentary hypothesis where you imagine that both kingdoms northern kingdom and the southern kingdom spent some time independently creating a work of literature and then later perhaps when the northern kingdom was destroyed and the refugees came. They merged together these two pieces of literature. Then that gives you a sense that the southern kingdom of judah had a more vibrant cultural life earlier on than if you were to imagine that the north came along with their already extent document into this kind of backwater and they were the great scholars in these northern kind of hillbilly tapes. Where there and then they kind of wanted to add some stuff to it to help the merger so that kind of suggests that i would suggest to me that the south was a less impressive cultural place until later on in history is that is that is that does that is that where some of the implications lie. the north. the north is definitely. Just factually was the stronger. And more dominant kingdom you can tell you this is evident in biblical tax. If you look for which gives the the taxes the predominantly told from the southern perspective and southern perspective is. But you can just look at it. Factually through archeological remains through and you know population sizes in the north end towards alliances with other kingdoms and geria- the kingdom. You know there were times when i would say northern kingdom was like a middling kingdom whereas in south they're they're back fodder and you and you can have that perception that the south actually had more cultural you know. Just by the extent of what they hebrew bible And preserves but you know there's probably plenty of stuff that the northerners wrote that we don't have any record of you know in the judean evermore History to him and that You know i in literature and so they preserved stuff I just think we just have to have a lot of humility when it comes to what we actually know we know very very little of about the both the biblical works We can make a lot of assumptions. We can offer theories conjectures spent. What we know is not a lie especially about the northern kingdom. We know we the little you have so few tax from the northern kingdom. We have some tax In the book of the books of genesis exodus in numbers than we have a couple of northern profits and we have some material about elisa alicia in the book of kings. We're beyond that now. You know we just don't have You know the the north we know so little about it and this idea that that this is the way it was in the in ancient world is i think One that is one of hubris. Meaning we don't know what happened. We don't know how these people we you know we have to have a degree of humility about it and that You know the corollary of that is just giving value to to the present. It's just as fantastic. Jake it's just as as important true so as we get close to the close. I would just love to hear a little bit more if you'd like to share about your personal story and i'm curious how you came to this or what's it like to come from a religious background to academic bible scholarship. And then now. You're a rabbi in the humanist movement and i'm wondering if that's no accident you know it certainly for me also somebody who grew up religious and found the goal scholarship. I was already on my way out as where i think. A lot of Some of the folks that we've had on this podcast like shula m- dean abby stein also talk about reading who are at the bible as part of their journey out of orthodoxy and i'm just wondering if if that was true of you as well and now that you are humanistic. Rabbi how does some of this work that you do an act in your academic work. How does it influence the way in. Which you're humanist rabbi and i'm also curious about like how maybe the kind of work if there were if there are many many more humanist rabbis like you you know what made human this judaism become to the extent that it was really plugged into a lot of these issues. So i'm academic brat meeting. Both my parents are professors of jewish studies. And my background is Is like a strong second wave. Feminists background my mother was the first woman to give a phd in rabbinic sakib university. And so i really. I grew up with tax jewish taxes my bread and butter. But one thing my parents didn't ever do was theology. I was never told you know. God told us to do this. So we're doing it Usually it was. This is the way we do it in our family. And i was saying i came to my doubts through the biblical tax. I have been I've been very very attracted to the biblical tax from a very young age. I've been. I participated in international bible. As and i was really when i was in. You sheva when i was doing Matriculating from school in israel i went to nikita yeshiva. Very right wing nancy. She and the way. I was taught by. Will they really offended me because there are only specific answers. They're only these These answers to these questions. You can't have any other answers so dancers bit world you are allowed or the ones that far ship. The commentators Sade and not others And so that offended me. And i went in to deliberately went to school in israel where it was living that really was known to be the place of heresy hebrew university as opposed to Bar ilan university or elsewhere where he can study bible some of the more religious perspective. Because i wanted to be challenged. I and i would say that when i came in through the gates of university took to it like my mother's melt it was really just this makes sense to me but I came to you. Know i i will say i came to doubt through the tax. They started you know. I think it was after my army experience. I started doting national narratives. It was just like. I looked at the tax Wildly seeing this. I don't believe it. Like i you know. I don't accept. This is offensive to my values. I don't i. I don't buy into it and that attitude of don't say propelled me to ultimately to rewrite liturgy for myself on that. It's a very personal project. I've been doing it for seventeen years. And ultimately i came to the humanist rabbit through rewriting liturgy like i. You know that's been my big projects still is still constant emory writing miles tour which is the most classical of the songs hanukkah because i read the lyrics recently. And then i was like. I don't think i really and you know. I am married to somebody who's russia dr and and You know so comes from very different angles than i do. And so. I sing while sewer every night. And i'm like my knowledge of hebrew is sufficient to know that i completely go buy into that and so so finally like i've been thinking about dr had several worded attempts but finally on my fourth verse. I'm rewriting most sewer rewriting telling a new story is like That's that thread next. Would i do with liturgy and with bible to tell. I like to tell a story that means something to me and is attentive to the way things were or the way i am. I love the personal narrative that you're bringing in and i think maybe the last question this can sort of extend that you've talked a little bit about your rabbi ing and you've talked a little bit a lot a bit about your academic work in your approach to bible. I spend a lot of time wrestling with that duality. Like i wish that it wasn't so much of a duality. I actually would like in both directions for those people to be learning more from each other and interacting more with each other. I i would like people. In those scholarly debates about documentary supplementary fragmentary thin mints surrey like i would like them to learn more and interact more with. I don't know the on the ground quote unquote in jewish communities. Not because i think they need to like change their scholarship to meet them. But because i think it would be it would build some really beautiful work and the other direction. I would like people in jewish life. The rabbis cantors the jewish educators. The the jews and the pews that everyone to be interacting on more sophisticated deep way with bible and i think part of that is of necessity interacting with biblical scholarship. So i i'd love to hear from you from your own personal lens. Where you're like straddling in the one foot here. One foot their sense these two realms how might we approach the moving forward. How could we either breakdown this duality or look at it in a new way. So yeah you're right. I live in that duality on a on a daily basis. I mean I constantly this is part of the process of writing. This book was tried to like you know as a deeply personal process of trying to get rid of the jargon language that i use academic all those all those terms that people don't you know don't know they see their minds freezes up Tried to avoid that a lot in this book. you know. it's i would like to break that down. I don't i i'm not. I'm not an academic at this point in my soul. Because i don't i don't buy this ivory tower approach to knowledge You know the. I want what i learned to be meaningful to others. I want what. I you know the knowledge. I've spent so many years crewing painfully to have some relevance to the reader society which is part of a big reason. Why i am a rabbi. Want my knowledge to have ucs in the world. I mean i would say that. We know breaking that down. We'll be good. Academics finding more be more public intellectuals and and rabbis woah really needs to up their game. A little in you know understanding the biblical tax. My gig as a professor was Was in rabbinical school. You know and it was really you know. It's very important for me to rabbis. No ways of approaching attacks. And i would say and then the twain shall meet meaning and then you have much more productive conversations. Productive conversations is going to be the last phrase of this productive conversation. Thank you so much for joining us. 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We will die before we are forced to take a vaccination

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We will die before we are forced to take a vaccination

"Life yeah man. There's i saw this article just now of from a couple of big people about how it's loving your neighbor to get vacs. Oh my goodness he's gotta stick your arm at the experimental chemicals. Because that's what jesus would do and it's required but then later in the article they said well you know the first sentence is like well. He's requirement love your neighbor right and then later in the article there like well but it's immoral ought but you shouldn't be excommunicated and it's not necessarily susan but it's an obligation it's like even their announces limp-wristed like you can't do anything straight up. It's all it's all. Just everything is just so lame seriously. It's pathetic at this point. I i was. I commented on. I know you saw whereas they're going to eventually require baptism. And the nation communion and i said that line tweet it real quick as a joke and then i thought about it for a second. Wait a minute and my joking or my profit you. I don't even know. I totally see like an andy stanley doing this. Whenever he opens up his church again. No problem where you have to do because the thing is like we're they're already talking about the you know the vaccination pass whatever to travel. Why wouldn't big churches do that. I mean it's loving your neighbor. The government told them to the government tells. You love your neighbor. Then you know it's true. I have you been following the vaccine like Stories where people have died from it. Of course they don't even really know if like if you get the vaccine you can pass along the disease like maybe you can pass it. If you get weird weird russia russia's you can't drink alcohol for two months but you can't have any vodka for two months. Nobody's getting that backs and then move but the thing is again. I just have to wonder. It's you know it's just. It's such a survivable disease. Yes it kills people. We all understand. But it's such a survivable disease like why do we have to bend all the rules for this one. I'm not anti vaccine. That's the thing. And i know people want me to be anti vaccine. I understand the arguments. And and i. I've i admit that there's some compelling stuff but like why is this one the one where we do it in three months and we break all the normal protocol and this has to be it when i know that if i get it i'm pretty much guaranteed to survive. I might not but that's true of any day of my life. You know what i mean. This is my new theory. They stopped counting the cold or the flu this year. I bet you if you would look at the trends of the flu over the last ten fifteen twenty years and just this year replaced it. With the data we have with the covid virus. The trend would not look anything crazier than the last twenty years is deaths. Whatever i listen. I don't i don't know but i wouldn't be surprised if nothing would surprise me at this point and it's just i just don't understand like the this is the thing that here's mark in the comments. A saying that his workplace is likely going to mandate the vaccine order to work there. Which of course they know if an employer can do that. But it's just it's just like why this one though like you never did that with the flu vaccine. You never did that with anything else. like why is this. It just boggles the mind. Because it's just so obviously not that scary comparatively to other things and but this is the one where the fears ratcheted to the. It's just. I know that they're doing in intentionally. But i just don't understand why so. Many people were falling for it. I don't wanna get covid. I don't want anyone to get covid. I don't wanna get sick ever but this is not the appropriate reaction. I just don't get it. It's just like it's like i went to sleep. I woke up. i was the same. Everyone was different. It's a twilight zone episode for sure but you know it's scary is whoever has that totalitarian mindset and the ability to do this stuff is gonna realize it's going to be so much easier to get people to go along with things based on fear that is not so improvable like this obviously shown and provable. That is not scary and dangerous. Graham i mean there are. I'm not saying it's not real and all that stuff right but there's gonna be things that they're going to be able to scare you about that. You're not going to be able to prove like this. And they're going to be confident that you're gonna fall for it because look at what we've done this so true and then there's this little then there's line that i think that there so there are certain people i think that and i'm one of them it depends on the situation like there'll be a time like if i have to go to walmart and i don't a lot of time and i don't want to cause any controversy if the guy tells me to wear the mask i'll put it out. I don't care right. Look fine. I'll just gotta get your stuff. I gotta go So there are people that aren't crazy but are still doing it. Begrudgingly or just. Like they. Don't want to cause any problems and stuff like that. And i think i think a lot of people that i talk to you were like well. It's just a mess. I don't wanna make a big scene about a mask. All right i get. I understand that mentality but the sticking your arm thing with with whatever it is supposed to be in there. Yeah and that like there has to be a line right like. Don't you think there has to be like. I used to think that but i don't think there's a lot. Do you think big even knows how to draw a line. Squishy is line you've ever seen in your life that's quickly right. I don't think there's a line. I don't think because the thing is it's like yeah you're right because what would be the logical argument. Well it has wanna cause a big scene you know. Just give it to me. I guess what. I would think that a line would be for especially christian people like. Hey yeah you can't tell us not to go to church or hey. You can't tell us not to sing or hey. You can't tell us not to take communion at the line hasn't been drawn yet. I mean some just to be fair. But i'm just saying alan dershowitz who. He's a liberal democrat guy. But he's pretty like a libertarian constitutional guy. He said that states could constitutionally mandate the vaccine. Yeah i mean i. I don't understand that. At all that i don't understand that at all. I don't think any one of the signers of the constitution or the or the bill of rights would have said that one of the things that the government does have is the ability to stick your arm of chemicals if they if they say it's for your safety. I just don't get that get it at all. How could that be. how how. How can you read the constitution. In that way. It doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't make any sense. And i know there's not like this national line that we have is a group of people tell you they ain't sticking with a needle rather die. I'm not down. yeah. I'm not doing it. That that's just all there is to it exactly right and the last thing about this That comment how does it work place. No or can tell you. Got the vaccine or not like i understand. They're saying it. But as all of our like kind of theory about medica- medical issues and stuff where you can ask. It's your private issues that they don't you know it's illegal like is it all out the window now and we're just allowed to ask anyone about anything know that were i. Guess i don't know. I don't know it's it's it's so preposterous. How quickly things have changed. And that's just where we're at and just got to deal with it. I guess that's that's where that We have well let me first say welcome to reform jellicoe seven and a half minutes in got interested if you guys have any questions obviously if you or wherever you're watching this live you can put them in the chattan. We will answer them if we want to. Thank you for anyone who subscribes to us on patriot. Patron dot com slash reform. Jellicoe and super chats are awesome. Thank you for supporting the shown. Stuff on the show is continuing to do great and So we appreciate it we list. Yeah let me say this. I appreciate ever since we've been doing this platform it's been a while now and i haven't said this but the comments that you can get them from facebook and youtube and all that so it's such a better show in my opinion so if you enjoy the show you can be a part of it. The comment we. We can't read every comment. But i love it to you know what actually come to think of it. This might be like our anniversary mom dish. I think we started in december last year. Well there you go so happy anniversary into that. We're not So yeah if you have your questions feel free to throw in there. We may or may not answer them if they're spiff enough all right what's going on. Oh all right. We talked about the vaccines. But this was interesting on the gallup mental health. Study the group of people the only demographic and they looked at gender. They looked at a party identification religious services race marital status age group. The only demographic that improved in mental health from two thousand and nineteen to two thousand twenty were weekly church attenders by plus four points. Everyone else was negative but plus four increase in mental health stability for going to a religious services. I got to tell you totally shocked. Like there's blessings in god's commandments. It's amazing good stuff. Yeah i saw that. I didn't really quite understand all the data but it was definitely nice to see that guys like you guys have it in your power to just not consent to the nonsense. I got we got. We got new legs. Here noodle leg saying that The government won't mandate the vaccine but businesses will airlines your employer. You know food store stuff like that and just like with this nonsense of. Don't go to church it's dangerous. You can just say no just like this. I think there's opportunities man if businesses start doing that kind of stuff eventually. There's going to be opportunities for other businesses to rise up and say we're not gonna do the nonsense so you want to go out to eat but you don't want to get the vaccine you can come here There you go. You know what i mean like. There's opportunity you can just say no and it might be slightly painful for a bit. You know what. I mean like you know you might have to deal with the governor newsom harassing you know for a little while and maybe finding you or you know. Stop doing stuff to us. It's not like there's no consequence to it but dude it's so much fun to live in reality like you might. Maybe maybe i'm wonder i wonder if this is the reason mental health one. It's because it's like you almost like you almost gain confidence when you're operating reality at a time when so few people are just like feel good about that like man like this is a good thing. I'll tell you at least from my experience is because i was my wife was pregnant early on so we were being extra cautious just because there were stories of the hospitals taking kids and stuff like that they added and so we were a couple of months without going to church and we left the church. We're going to because they weren't open so actually they left. Dasa say it that way and we went to Just happened to be a presbyterian sierra seat shirts because it was only when opened in the area and going there though was such a great feeling of that commodity commodity. Yeah i that you don't realize you're missing and then you experience it and you go back to the wacko world and the same thing with the conference we were at is if you remembered what normality was like. Yeah and it was so sweet and it was so good and they almost like reassures you that your you know your faith and the the steps you do in the actions that you do that are religious actually means something here and now and it kinda just. It's more like confidence builder than anything. That's actually interesting that you say that. Because i was kinda thinking that there's i was thinking of camaraderie too but in a slightly different way like of course there is at church. Know it was so great to be at church with with with everybody and they're committed to never shutting down again and there's a lot of confidence everywhere on that's great But i was what i was thinking was. I've told the story like for some reason. Always when i see A black or latino person. Walking down the street where i live. There's so few of them. That i always like have this. This incident camaraderie. Always give me one of the little nod you know and That's something that black people do. Just you know like we. We always gotta you know latinos and blacks and minorities always do that. anyway but i've noticed the camaraderie that kind of camaraderie with the maskless people because there are so few of them and so when you see the maskless person you're like you know we know is that we know is going on like there's like there's instant connection Like i'm not scared. Are you scared down. musket either. Yeah for sure. And i think that's you know if you are going to be one of those people that aren't going to take the vaccine. No matter what. I would recommend just throwing away the mask now me my wife and my friends. That are around us We don't wear masks and we'll go into stores even if they require it and just create the conflict just to make the stand in the principle of it and that's one of the things that i think not just with the mask and not with even cova just with wife. We're going to have to get really comfortable with dealing with them conflicts and understanding and just accepting that being a christian. We're gonna have more of those conflicts. I think going forward in the next couple of months at least and just took a training ground and honestly this is not this is it. People say it's just a mask you can actually flip that around on them. Yeah that's right. That's why you get the reps in now. That's why you play t-ball before you play hardball it's just e ball but it's still important to do it You know what i mean. That's that's very interesting. You've kind of kind of convinced me that i shouldn't even wear even when i'm in a rush or even when i'm i'm trying to avoid a conflict because i do like if i'm with my son or something or like i'm in a rush. I'll put it on if they ask me to. I'm at the point now. Where i don't put it on like if they don't ask you maybe just like the signs not working on me but like but like if they ask them like fine. You know what i mean. And it's so weird to like you walk into a restaurant and even in florida where it's there's no mandate you can't get find you can go to jail for it. You'll walk into a restaurant and everyone has them on their. They've been trained already. I mean i think it takes thirty days to create a habit. Yeah so it's been far past that but most people don't even say anything they don't like confrontation either. Yeah so i mean. It's a good practice exercise. I got a man i. I walked into walmart. The the you know how all the stores started to do that thing. We're only one. Entrance is an entrance and the other one has to be an exit whereas before you could enter and exit where anywhere you wanted. So i walked into walmart. I was i think it was on the phone at the time to and i walked into the exit one and the sir sar sar and like you like hunting me down. I'm like what and he goes. This is the exit sir. You are you serious. And he goes. Yeah you gotta go the other way. So i was on the phone and i was like i just did it right so i was like fine so i walked to the other side and i'm literally eight feet max from where i was and i said i said what is this supposed to do. There's nobody in the store. nobody was coming. I'm in the exact same spot. Insurgence please and i felt kind of bad for him. You know just like what. What is it makes no sense. Yeah i got that same thing not with the entering in the exit but apparently some stores have were. You can only go one direction in the aisle. Yeah the one of the workers called me out on like Sir you're going the wrong way. And like i finished elementary school longtime ago. I didn't even really follow the rules. Then i'm not going to start now just kept going going the wrong way. I've never even honestly never even occurred to me to pay attention to those signs and absolutely not that. I didn't even notice. I didn't even know. I was breaking the rules because i just don't care just a stupid rule i've lived my whole life. Grew flutes flu season through the swine. Flu never gave a thought about which direction i was going in the store. I'm not. I've definitely noticed them but i've never once been like. Oh which direction is just like. I don't even know if you were to ask me. I would not know. Like i see them there but i don't know which way is which you know it's like the butter is right there but i have to go all the way around the circle round just to not go the wrong way. Oh insane doing that. And i know it's like private property and they can kick me out and they have the right. Yeah they do just like. Toby says as cheerful disobedience. Because you gotta make these stones if we don't make these stands. Now yeah the vaccine. Then the then the companies are going to just feel like they can mandate because they've had back with the masks. We started doing that now. Yeah not met you. You're you're onto something here with this because we've talked about this idea where people are like. Well i'll take the stand went for christ's when they tell me tonight rights. I will take this like dude. You have to practice that like you can't just assume i do not assume that. So many of these compromisers will actually not deny christ when the time comes. Why would i if you didn't if you didn't at the small things. Why would you at the big things. It makes no sense at all. No not at all. I mean i would absolutely be shocked if like dan lee had a gun to his head and said denied christ and he didn't like i'd be just shut down his church for two years because the government said he might get the equivalent of the flu. He's going to deny christ. I mean you think he's not going to deny christ. I mean i don't know. But i'm just saying i would be surprised like there's a lot of people like that where i'd be surprised if they made a big stan because they haven't made any stand so far so why would you ever think they would be on the big platform. This big eva stuff is so interesting because they'll say you know well loving your neighbor. The studies have shown this. And that and the studies are always extremely flimsy and very debatable. And so it's like if you're gonna make me do stupid stuff based on nonsense studies and we can't possibly really know because nobody's ever been in situation before so like what. What what did they do based on studies. What study would they reject. I just don't understand like is it possible to reject a study and still be a christian. That's what i'd really like to know somebody. Please call her and ask him. Is it possible to be a christian and reject a scientific study that they say a scientific or like if you aren't going to reject these scientific studies it's going to affect your worship. It's going to affect how you hold church services. Then how can you ever fault mormon for believing in the book of mormon like what's so different from adding to the books of the bible and scientific studies. Hey man you got me. The the new priests are good at hiding their priestly. Stances i guess. Yeah it's it's so crazy man i you know. I think we talked about this. Social science science in school either. Anyway i would just like to get back to real science like scientists actually do science not in the rush vaccine kind of way in the other kinds of real science but we were talking about a couple of weeks ago. Maybe it was a couple of weeks ago. It was after we stopped recording. We're talking about. Are we already at a place where we have a state run church and we kind of talked about it and we kind of just threw it out there. When really didn't think about it. I've been thinking about it a lot more honestly when you compare it to the church of england back in the day. I don't know where we are that far off when further churches that are taking orders. It's not like the church of england didn't talk about. Jesus it's not like they didn't have the bible and they weren't sharing from the bible. They were just taking their orders from the government. What's so different about that now. yeah you know. It's it's such a good point. Because i think that people get this impression that in order for it to be a state government it has to be like the official church of the united states or something like that like no. That's not how it works. Like as long as the government is setting the rules of what you do and what you don't do you. It's already a state church. It's already a state church like like an and and people are going to be like well. The government says you can't murder church. Oh that's not true. No no. I'm talking about the worship of the church. I'm not talking about that kind of stuff. That's that's their sphere man. We always talk about their sphere. They have they have jurisdiction in their sphere. But what they don't have jurisdiction on is when the church meets how long the church meets for if you're allowed to sing or not. Are you allowed to take communion. That's the stuff that they're talking about now. So if the state is able to control those things the elements of worship. We're not talking about small things. This is what worship is made of. On the lord's day. This is what it is if you're not hearing the word preach if you're not singing songs until the lord if you're taking communion then you're not a church you know what i mean so so These are the main things and if they have the jurisdiction to talk about those things and when they should be practiced. How often would have then. It's already a state church. You're so right about that. Net Yeah it's absolutely crazy okay. I kinda got distracted by the comments. Here yes you. Joe carter experti- expert tears. Joe carter said that. It's okay to take fetal cell vaccine. Vaccinations did you hear about that. Is that true. Yeah i did hear about that. And i did not read the article but i heard somebody summarize it what it you heard someone. I don't reach your come on a click strange links. Yeah but no. I did and actually i opened it up just now and i did open it at the time and i kind of skimmed it but yeah i did see that okay. So question is can a christian or should a christian take a vaccine is fetal cell vaccine burke created or whatever and then this is. This is very interesting. So i was such little about this. I have to say though that if that doesn't give you pause. I think there's a problem. Yeah honestly like my gut to. This is kind of like the meat and idle thing. Yeah if you take a vaccination that has it. You didn't know it. Yeah then. I don't really feel like you're at fault for you're not the one creating order. You're not the one you know that caused the baby to be killed or whatnot. But if you know about it i almost i. I don't know i feel really. I would feel weird about as a christian. Well as far as i understand. I mean i have some of these vaccines in my system right now like because when you're a kid. I think that. I think that there are some of the ones we get. When you're a. I think i heard and i never. I never validated it. Probably because i did hear it as a kid but that some of them were like experience and they developed at using stem cells from kids. Don't know enough about this. It's definitely something that that you should at least think about. Maybe i should be thinking about solid. Talk to myself and get back. You know like there's the twenty twenty has really made me rethink my vaccination game and just what i give my kids. I'm not anti vaccine. I'm still not. But i'm super skeptical just because i don't trust the science community at all anymore right. Very good point yeah. There's really no reason to all right. The next joe carter. This is like a joke harder. Themed comments Right now i wrote an article on. Oh this is a nanaimo. i dunno. She's from australia. Were international guys. This right Joe carter wrote an article on trusting. Science at churches may require attendees to be vaccinated. Seems have no trouble with that thought. I think it's the same orbital. Yeah and so we are doing look. I'm just going to search the word required. I have never seen in the bible anywhere where jesus new testament says that. You cannot come to church. If you're sick and fact it says have the eldest. Pray for you. Yeah i would say like obviously we've talked about it before and a lot of people haven't heard it so improbably repeat it once or twice every couple of weeks sphere sovereignty. There's the families fear the church. Fear of the government's sphere and as the family. You're responsible for the health of your family for yourself as an individual. If you're sick you shouldn't go to church for the love of the church but you're responsible for that it's weird to me that we have the church making these rules saying that. It's kind of just writing articles about it before these vaccinations come out that needs to be a requirement to fellowship. That's insane that's not even saying after six-day home that's saying yet you have to do these things you have to inject your body you'll be part of church that's fair cynical right absolutely so i don't need to think about that like you know if you wanna ask me about the fetal cells and stuff. I need to put some time into that obviously. That's i get that a lot. So maybe it's about time. I did that But as far as requiring it for churches No you cannot as a pastor. You just can't. You're not allowed to add Elements to your your your worship in that way where you decide whether someone's cleaner unclean whether or not they have a certain chemical you know stuck into their arm right a certain time. They're not allowed to do that if you're at a church that's that's that's considering this i would. I would even say even the considering consideration of it is almost enough for me to leave. But if but god forbid if if they require it that's just that's off that you cannot even. You cannot submit to that anymore. You just can't and when i say that even if they're considering it that's that's that to me if it's a mature church. They should know the bible well enough to know that they can't do that if it's a young church and it's like a new fellowship okay. I could give them a little leeway you hash things out is the first time but but if these are like big players that have been studying the thirty years. They don't know that you can't add a certain drug or certain chemical to decide if someone's cleaned cleaned worship if they don't know that and they're a big player than get the freak out of their run like like the dickens because they they don't have your best interests in mind. Yeah absolutely. that's insane that that is even being discussed and and it's not even because like just the fact that they're considering it is not even the issue that makes me run but it's the fact that if your foundation doesn't make that clear in the very beginning where you could consider it that's the more it bigger issue for me. It's it's revealing. your foundation isn't really solid where i can trust the submit to you in these kinds of things you should go find another church Same thing with closing churches down. Same thing you know long term. I guess i mean everyone close down first couple of weeks. No one knew what was going on. But yeah that was crazy. Yeah it was crazy but like these long-term closures mask requirement. Those kinds of things reveal the foundational cracks in the system. Not so much the issue of self as the big like divider for me so Yeah well we have a lot of people passionate about this. I love it. Good comments guys all right. Let's turn to the most important thing in the world. at least that's what it feels like last couple weeks. Is you know this whole election thing. Have you done any more research since we talked last time. Eighty the election the election fraud. Who all that. Good stuff man. I'll tell you what. I i've looked into it a little bit but it's very it's a. It's amazing i think that's intentional. That's amaze but I just. I just can't the thing that's striking to me. Is the fact that if you did not like spend time looking for the stuff. You would not know that this is happening. It's just like it's it's it's it's as if it's not the we're we're watching the memory hole work in real time like you google something about this and it takes a while like it's not the top story and you would think it would be the top story that there's all these allegations and there's cases being filed and this and that only becomes the top story if a if a cases dismissed and there's like one hundred cases going on they're like well. She just dismissed he he lost. You don't like that's the only time becomes national news. I that's striking to me because you can find the information but it's like buried right it is very and even youtube came out and said that. There's the deadline that came all the states certified if you on a youtube video say that the election was fraudulent and donald trump is really the president and joe biden. The elect is not. They're going to remove the video from you. It's getting to that point where you can't even talk about it. You can even descend from the narrative or you're just gonna be silenced. I mean that's youtube. That's google so you really do have to dig But it's really interesting. The case of all cases or i forgot what trump said. It was the big beautiful case. I think that's how he said in his language. Texas state filed against michigan wisconsin pennsylvania and georgia. And so. this is the case. That's going to be the outcome. Determinative is the word they're using five states signed on fifteen states have wrote some kind of ital- or go ahead of question. No no okay. Like fifteen days wrote an amicus brief or whatever it's called something in some latin term Supporting and i think. There's one st debt or dc wrote to Defended defendants and there's this whole constitutional argument that they're trying to bring to the court that supposedly going to be the thing that determines if the courts are going to overturn the election and we're supposed to figure that out today or tomorrow so it's going to be really interesting to see but what was the most interesting thing about it is the main thrust of the case is ken. Executives and jud- judicial branches of government determine what how elections are held when the constitution specifically gives power to the legislatures and in pennsylvania. The governor the executive branch for state. And i think some people from the judiciary. I'm not sure but wrote for supporting the defendants. And then the legislatures themselves wrote for the plaintiff which like proves the whole case in the point of. Why do this needs to hear the case right. So it'll be interesting to hear. That's kind of like everyone's kind of waiting to see if they're going to hear the case or not. I mean i. I find that to be such amazing theater. I mean i don't understand why they would delay and finding out whether or not they would hear it. I mean seems to be a very clear cut thing you got a lawsuit between states that seems to be the whole purpose of the supreme court. At least that's what i thought and And this is such an obviously important thing that you would think you'd want to hear it and rule on it right. It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be so because it state between state apparently goes right to the supreme court. It's like i'm be surpreme court scholar now. I never knew that before besides having to go through the lower courts i But there's now over in some way shape or form at least half of the states are involved in this lawsuit like how can the supreme court not hear this case at this. That's what i'm saying like. Yeah so i didn't know that the lawsuits between the states where we're going straight to the supreme court. I thought that was the whole purpose of the supreme court to begin with and then evolved over time. I might be wrong about that. But i i knew that was one of the primary purposes of that being said like again. Like if you don't hear this this is why talk about theater like d'alene on deciding on whether or not to hear it seems like theodore to me. It's just like waiting to the last minute to to make the kick the field goal of making more dramatic. It's like if there's ever a time where we need actual interpretation of what's happened it's now right. Everyone's involve everyone's hearing about it. It would be shocking if to me if they didn't take it It would be shocking and it it would be revealing. it would be revealing that really the court isn't there to do. Its job anymore. And i think he'd bring a lot of clarity about what needs to happen in the future. Because if we can't trust the state legislatures to hold lawful and honest elections. We can't trust the supreme court to rule on the constitution. When then we sure aren't going to trust our executive branch we're gonna think he's not a legitimate president right the unions over at that point right. Well we definitely can't trust people to just do the right thing But but i think the key what you just said here is if you can't even count on someone even hearing the case to to decide whether starting backwards happening like that would be an amazing statement because of course you can't trust people to have not cheat. That's why we have a legal system. But if they won't even hear the case it's just it's just they're even even if you didn't think it had a lot of merit you'd almost have to hear it because you know you've got millions upon millions of people that are thinking rightly so that this was this was this was cheating involved and obamacare of americans. What's that forty. Eight percent of americans was the last poi- saab that believes. Somehow there was some fraudulent activity which with the complete media blackout forty eight percent right because it was in plain sight. You know we it was right before our eyes we all went to bed and we all woke up and we all had the same experience. Like wh what are these votes. T totally all in. See it so we. We know we know that. That's not. how numbers work we. We know. that's not. How statistics work or how voting works. We all understand so like yeah that would be it would be very revealing. They would be just like a sign that it's it's it's basically you you have to. You have to get your own affairs in line. You know what i mean. I think they even put the statistic in the lawsuit. It's either one in a trillion or one in ten trillion. The chances of trump being where he was at it two or three in the morning and for joe biden to come back and all those states one in a trillion a trillion. That's statistically impossible now six trillion miles so there you go there. You go Josh and the common says it was eighty percent of republicans it was it was eighty percent of republicans was like thirty four percent democrat and then it was a group of independence and like just putting it together was forty eight percents There's a reasonable democrats out there. And and i think that reasonable democrats. And i do not include eva in in this category at all. They're not reasonable reasonable. Democrats want this to be heard because they want to know that if this was fair and square they want that to be out. Anyone who anyone who who who who wants there to be a legitimate country wants this to be heard the people that don't want it to be heard don't wanna look don't want to actually have a country they just wanna eaters right th the lou out there that want to maintain a a situation where they can continue to keep their finger on the scale. Big is like that. that's why big either all everyone. Their mother came out and said we must accept the fair and square. Because they're doing that to in their own way. They're putting their finger on the scale. They want everything to be the way it always has been. That's what they want. And so they can't take any kind of questioning authority because they rule by that by that illusion of power you know and it's why they hate social media so much they hate famous spirit. Yeah right. They would be applauding. If if if twitter would kick guys like you and me off of their platform they would love it. They would love to put a little disclaimer on. The bottom of eighty roma's youtube videos. These theological statements are not approved by the official sources. They would love that if they could figure out how to make that happen right. They would do it so so of course they don't want you thinking any way besides the approved way and so but but there are reasonable democrats out there that they vote. Democrats not still sin. I'm not saying they're not centered but but they're reasonable in the sense that you could actually talk to them. You know what. I mean you could actually talk to them and hash out ideas and stuff like that there are. There's a small percentage early thirty percent one out of every three is reasonable. The best you could hope for with democrats pretty good right and the thing is we talked about this time. So i won't like harbor on it too much but if i was joe biden and i thought i won i would demand to have all of these recounts for it to be adjudicated and for people to have in see that i rightfully one. Because it's gonna make me more effective as a president. If i knew. I one and i didn't cheat. I knew i didn't cheat. I would call for these investigations all day long in other words. You're trying to say if he actually does want the unity that he's calling for. This would be the first and most obvious and painless. Step that you could take if you hadn't cheated so would this would require if you hadn't cheated this would require and i don't even want to entertain the so much anymore because of the cheating was so obvious but if you hadn't this would be there'd be very little effort required on your part. No capital burned in fact. You have nothing but stuff to gain. You have nothing to lose but everything to gain through this but since he since that's fantasy he obviously did cheat then of course he's not at the last thing he wants. You know what i mean. Every single democrat piece of this is acting like they know they cheated the media social media sites. They all youtube would not ban people talking about this if they thought that the he was legitimate. Wouldn't yeah youtube. Youtube i Okay so this is my funny thing. I love that. These joe biden investigations or happiness. There's these investigations that were happening beforehand. And then they stopped investigating which. I mean thanks. Fbi that's totally not political at all stopped investigating for three months according to cnn For hunter biden and turns out his brother to of not just with taxes but money laundering with the ccp. China congressman. Yeah i know. But i just love it because all of these big eva people ever seen. It's not end. Vote for this guy as he'd done anything that is virtuous. Is there anything about him that you could say as a christian ideal that's better than trump or anyone else. No he's a terrible person and we're just seeing that more and more. I think it's larry. He's got a good. He's he's got a presidential stately manner about him as he he can't even walk and together sentences goes to the hospital because he tried to play with his dog and shower at the same time. Really blame the guy. i mean. he's old you know they're not trying to make fun of an old person but you know this is the thing man. This is what we this big. But it's like it's a. We heard that he was. The civil person was going to restore dignity the office. I forgot all the things they said about him but his whole family is literally engulfed an fbi. Investigation the fbi definitely not conservatives definitely not on our side have been investing for two years like is there anything about big data that is like remotely plausible to believe anymore. It's just just a joke there. They they're just the approved official authorized church. That's what they are the authorized church and you cannot count on them when it comes to anything controversial in any way anything cultural anything political anything involving society. You can't count them. You can count on them in general for the basic gospel. Good are they be glad that well we're going to give him that eighty having given that i'll give him some of it. Okay i'll give him that but with other things that's the thing that's that's the problem. Of course right. That's the problem of course When i was gonna say i was going to make the comment about how it's so funny living. You read books about people that live through communism and totalitarianism and you learned how to read the media where you read between the lines because the media can say anything. Those critical of the government. And we've kinda learn that through twitter and social media where the blue check marks. You don't really take them seriously. The sensor material and the articles they say are been proven wrong. You kind of take them as more legitimate and you kind of learn how to deal with this totalitarian kind of and it's kind of true with Big ego to is like the articles and the things that they're pushing it's like you automatically need to have a red flag and you do. You're like okay. What about this issue is not difficult. Because they're talking about an pushing it right. Are you at that big even. Yeah i mean so. I think you said it well. I'm so i'm so against big eve at this point that i it's just the opposite opposite. Land anything they say. It's just you're just opposite and it's even like if they say something that you agree with your hesitant to even give them compliments anymore. And i've got burned several times for doing this. Because you feel like it's a trap where they're gonna make you into a whole and you're going to have to create nintendo agreed-upon. How'd you get that one right. How'd you told you. I i do get into trouble though. Sometimes because i think i was gonna say this on a video the other day it was the one i did where i was disagreeing with. Doug wilson on piper saw them. Yeah so there's a thing that James white dr james white talks about. Excuse me where you get so into one topic that you almost start to read it into everything and so so like he does it with antioch. Anti calvinism often will say that. Every church council was against calvinism. Just see it everywhere and So it's like almost like a derangement syndrome. And so like i. I have to caution myself sometimes. Like big even deranged at this point. You know what. I mean like a little big even to range but but honestly it's even though. I have made mistakes on occasion It's very difficult to make a mistake with big. Even they're almost always wrong. Yeah i know i. I saw the first video. John piper. I didn't see the second. And i think you're spot on with your now And i i honestly think. I think doug wilson i don't know personally but this is my hunches 'cause john piper kinda threw him a few bones back when he was getting scorched by. I think they're friends. Yeah i get it. You know what i mean i get it and i think he was right. You know sort of like it was. It was pretty good. You know in the things that he said But but it's just like but the thing is though that like in the trenches here we we need help in the trenches. We don't need help just in the ivory tower and so i'm sure that if you got into an ivory tower debate with piper about critical theory that he would probably decimate you. You know what i mean. If you were critical theorist i have no qualms about saying but in practical land when i have to determine whether or not so and so said something. That's racist or not i. He didn't give us a value. I i don't think you know. And that's that's his. mo man. I it seriously. Like i listen to them. All day about the theology and the philosophy of dying yourself and loving your wife. Sure but then. I'm sure he has great things to say. And i'm not even saying that tongue in cheek kind he he has really dropping biblical manhood and womanhood. Who a pretty good book. From what i remember. I read that longtime ago. But then it's like okay now. The practical application. Let your wife be sexually assaulted like what about what you were. Just saying your book that analogy. I say it all the time but i think that is him like he's great on the book knowledge and the full philosophical of applying theology. But then when you get to practical application it just goes off the rails man. Yeah no you're so right about that. I had somebody Where was this. Somebody had reached out to me about the exact topic. I'm forgetting what it was. But but yeah it's just it you're so right it's just in when it comes to down a practical land. It's just that's where things get a little wonky and i listen. I get a lot of pushback. Every time i talk about piper and i get it because i really enjoy piper. I love him. he's got a he's he's brought me a ton of value same. Yeah but it's just you know like look. I'm not gonna all this sort of get you more in trouble. That's brought he. He started out with talking about the neal chevy debate with rassoul whatever his name was and his first thing he says. I didn't see a single point of disagreement between neil and russell and neal's a nice guy so it has article about it he's like. I was a little confused by has been up. And i'm thinking that you don't see any differences between those two. They're debating a topic. They're both on difference. I'm sorry you're just not qualified to talk about this anymore. You need to go back to the drawing board. If you couldn't see a disagreement kneels over here like. I was slightly confused by that statement. I listen i get. I get all the problems with neil. But it was just funny. I'm reading neal's article. And i'm like he's obviously like thinking in his head. What i'm actually saying right. Greek is that replaying you saying that. Over and over again you're going to live vicariously through you know the coin a term and there may be a term that already exists whether somebody who's an expert in one field and then they think they're qualified to talk and other fields. Yeah yeah and they're not. We need to come up with some kind of term not for here but sometime we need it. Yeah i get it now. I think that that's that's something that happens all the time. And it's not that they can't talk about it but you know they make big pronouncements they talk from an authoritative position. I'm not saying you can't have a comment or disagree. Or whatever i mean we. That's what we do right there all day long all right. We got a question and we're going to read this question not for the question but for the first part. Because you know it's a compliment to us. Derek says the best duo podcasting today. And that's why your your question read you to get it. Thank you very much dirk. Have you watched john macarthur speech before his. Qna on sunday. No you've got you've got your questions. You got your question. And i answered it but wanted read the complement to us because we need to hear that every once in a while. Oh my goodness all right idiot savant. Yeah no that's like. For autistic people term is idiot. The also disagrees with the best deal comment. Yeah of course you would understood understood. Why haven't you plugged your show yet. Tony i think every comment you have has your show the patriarchy on it. The machine was promoted. I've ever seen in my life. But i love you. Tony so let me so. I'm in. I'm in a twitter conversation right now while we're talking here for our show i've got a guy. Yeah well listen you know. I gotta stay out there. I gotta stay in the streets. You know otherwise. I don't know what's really going on. This is a real time. Share the moment. That's right so we were talking about the vaccines. And i was kind of just making a few comments about something and this guy talks about this article that i mentioned in the beginning of the show where they say. You're obligated to get the vaccine. Let me read a the media quotation from this article It says its first of all. I talked about the masks. And how because mask can save other people. Then you're obligated to wear the mask and then it says the same can be said for covid. Nineteen vaccinations if by being vaccinated. We can protect others from illness than we have a corresponding obligation given our lord's commands to love your neighbors to be vaccinated. And so i said that you know how many laws affairs he's gonna add and he took. He took exception to that. And so that was a hasty critique. Because they say that you can you can be you can according to your conscience stain and so i said but they said there was an obligation and they grounded in god's law and this guy's trying to say to me i get this maybe someone in the comments can help me understand. He says the word obligation is how ethicists talk you. And i might conclude after reflection that there are better ways to love our neighbor and the article offer that possibility and so they're not making any proclamations about what i should or shouldn't do so is is obligation like technical term. That doesn't have it's normal definition. i don't understand. I don't know like i need to do it right right. I have an obligation to love my wife. That doesn't really mean i. i'm. I'm not saying i'm not saying you should or you shouldn't. I'm just saying you're obligated to. This is a big guy. Seems kinda squish i. I don't think he is. But no i don't think he is. Just don't get. maybe. I'm just maybe i'm just missing. Tony says you're obligated to be obliged to be obligated. That's that sounds about right. So yeah i'd make sure you watch the patriarch. You look at this shameless promotion that he does right here. I don't know maybe maybe we're just not smart enough to understand the nuances of the arguments. There i don't know yeah. I'm definitely not a smart enough to follow a circular argument. I'm telling you you're obligated but you're not required but you really obligated put. You're not really alta gated but this is actually kind of common like they have this category where you have to do it. But it's not a sin. If you don't like i don't understand that like like almost makes this then. It makes tears of christian. So it's like you're not sitting but like you're not that good of a christian though it'd be like not loving my neighbor but it really not sitting. Yeah i think big loves to do that kind of thing. Oh yeah they love it. It's membership you're one of us or you're not. You're not a christian. I wonder if our country club right. Well i wonder. If that's how the pharisees thought about it to like. What were they saying that were they really saying that. If you picked up your bed on on the sabbath that you are no longer going to heaven or were they just saying. You weren't being wise. No no. I think it was this. I think it was that they weren't saying your jewish to put in the right context. We're just saying you're not fair. see like us. You're not as good. It's the same thing. And i think paul squashes that when he says. I'm thankful i didn't baptize anyone. Because everyone's bragging about their group. Their apollo says baptized by barnum. Missing all this. I think that's the same mentality is what this you're saying. This is the same mentality. So basically the pharisees weren't saying you were jewish anymore. But they were saying was you weren't like holy. You weren't like this like we are. We're like oh it's even it's even that same. It's like in the prayer. That jesus tells the parable where the pharisee says. Thank you for not making me like this guy. This guy this guy and the other guys. Yeah that's kind of interesting. Because i have noticed this weird category and again. This is why why i stay on twitter during the show. So matt you don't even know it it. It brings everything full circle. So i'm having this conversation here and mike. So what are they saying so. I'm not sitting. Shouldn't be excommunicated. But i'm obligated to love my neighbor as myself which is just the law so i obviously that would be. I'm sitting but i'm not really sitting. So what are they really saying. They're saying you're you're you're gonna make it in maybe by the skin of your teeth. But you're not gonna ever be one of us. You're not as good as us. We really love our neighbor. Look at what we're doing. That's pretty twisted man that that is pretty twisted. So i think fair see was actually the right word under the sun. It's the same spirit may just look. It just looks differently right. Pray in the windows. Like how holy am i. It's wearing a face mask and church. How am i love you so much. I'm going to bear this right because they weren't necessarily kicking people out of the synagogue for taking up their bed on on a sabbath but but they were but they would threaten that when there was something they really wanted you to do so it was almost like it was. Yeah that's that's so interesting man big setting this up again. They're setting it up again man. 'cause i'm not going to tell you that you are obliged to do something if you're actually not like i might think it's smart for you to invest in xyz stock. But i would never say you're obliged to invest in this way like what. I would never do that because it's obviously not an obligation even if i think it's wise to invest your money rather than i don't know whatever but you don't use your i'm trying to say yeah absolutely. And it's just it's a fair cynical attitude and it's a way to differentiate yourself and make you feel better than your brothers and sisters in christ. Oh no wonder. I'm big deranged for sure. Okay unconvenient. Which makes me skeptical. Says let's stay on topic about the real issues that matter. Well what issues. You want us to talk about. I mean throw something out there. He is goes back with my fear that everyone says like the show has been really great lately. But i don't know why it's been really great so i'd missed it. What he said though he missed the rest of the comment the real issue is. When is this show. Getting a winsome. Intro song submit your songs how to build a ten dot com. And maybe we'll throw in there. Although i do love our little halfway through a conversation start the show. I do too does that. No one does that. What if we did it like this where we started at halfway through the conversation. And then when you said welcome reformed jellicoe. That's when the intro music started. It would ten minutes twenty minutes. Oh that'd be good all right. If you want your intro slash mid roll submit it love it. Love it so what else we got here. Should i check twitter. Yeah or what other conversations have you been carrying on with while we've had this show the only what it was only a couple of tweets. Tony says you know what show has a great intro glycine. he's gonna tell us guessing goodness okay. Mm-hmm yeah so. I don't know what else to say. We can go into other topics but we only have four minutes left four minutes. Let let me say this. I think that the next. I do think that the next few weeks are going to be pretty pretty weird and so i think you're going to be bombarded with a fake information real information kind of good information kinda bad information and it's going to be very difficult to decipher and so i would suggest over the over the next few weeks. Is that when you see stuff on twitter or on fox you still watch fox or wherever you get your news like take a deep breath before you react to anything because there's the misinformation that's gonna be out there over the next couple of weeks i think is gonna get to the insane levels and it might not even all be related to the election. I i have a feeling that this alien stuff is a distraction. Tactic didn't talk about that. Yeah yeah. I think stories like that. Get put out at key times when they want to distract so just stay. Keep your head on straight but at that we keep your head on straight priore. Don't overreact pray for wisdom keep going to church. Keep doing all those things that they sell you not to do Have christmas for goodness sake. Have christmas yeah. You know what i mean. We'll talk more about that because we have a another show before then but like our couple actually But but yeah man like like the key. Things are gonna get weird. I think you are obligated to have christmas this year. There we go obligated. You know. i'll just say this to. I've been telling people on my show how to build a tent. Shameless plug That you really at this time need to be prepared to at least have a month of food water and medicine. Because i don't know what's coming. And i don't like being the fear monger. I don't want anyone to act out of fear. We should never act out of fear. We should always be acting out of perfect. Love casts out all fear but we start seeing things like what's going on and the tension that is building. i mean. Our president today tweeted that there was a coup against him. Regardless of how this plays out really think that our president's going to step down and you really think people are just going to let him like continue. There's so it's it's escalating. you can see it. Escalating the rhetoric that is happening. Yeah and you just were again. We need to be wise. We need be filtering things and we need to be evaluated in how we love our families and protect them and be prepared. Not that you have to go into battle but just be prepared for another shortage where you don't have toilet paper anymore. Sure yet mad. Did you see tony's comment before you said that or did you get on your own accord. So tony the exact same thing. Which which if i was a charismatic still. I'd be like that's confirmation but no it's it's so true so basically here's the thing. Tony said the exact same thing. Every man should have a one month supply of essential minimum for their family right now. There's my serious comment. And i'm dead serious about that. I'm dead serious about that as well. I've been talking about this. Since the beginning of corona virus. I think it was before it was before i moved so it was before it got real crazy. I started talking about this. And i said look is like. I don't think this is a big deal. But i could be wrong number one and even if i'm wrong people are gonna react to this insane and i was right about that and i i prepared for probably get through probably a quarter of a year without having to do too much store shopping. Here's the thing this. There's nothing wrong with with seen danger and reacting accordingly. That's actually smart. That's wisdom and so you know you can if you use your fear to act rationally. That's fine like you shouldn't. You shouldn't act on fear in an irrational way. But it but if you're if you're if if you're right now sitting here and you don't have a month supply of food figure out how to get that done. Most stores are still stock right now. And you probably can find the money for that Do it do it because it's not like like the kind of thing that's not that's undoable so like it's not like i'm telling you to put a bomb shelter into your house where you can't afford it and you can't use it for anything else when nothing happens. Food's gonna get eaten that supplies you're to get you right. It's not a waste. it's not a waste. so this is matt. you're one hundred percent right tony. You're one hundred percent right. I haven't been talking about this so much Since early february or whatever january but it's it's so true we should be prepared for insanity because people are crazy out there. You're right yeah you know and like honestly. I've felt the need to tell people this. I don't know how to do without sounding crazy. 'cause i don't wanna be the crazy guy but the for saying i really appreciate that because like i said like the president literally is accusing people of a coup. The foundations of what that means is significant. Yeah and i agree with him. I'm not. I'm not saying. I disagree at all but the ramifications of that are going to lead to conflict in one way or another and i was going to talk about this. We ran out of time. But lou dobbs cnn fox news host. Did you see that that was having that was crazy. And it's crazy because what he is saying. He saying. This is a cyber pearl harbor and he has his st statement. If you haven't checked it out on twitter you need to go or you can watch my show. I covered tomorrow. And he lays out things were if he is not telling the truth and he doesn't have the evidence he says he has. He's getting fired and he's going to be sued for liable and destroying the reputation of these companies and these individuals. But if what he's saying is true. Which i have no reason not to believe. I don't know why this guy who's been a news forever would go out on a limb and say this without being true. There's going to be hard times coming. Yeah yeah so. Yeah not not a downer. It's just about being on a dare. That's it man. We tony set in the chat. We shouldn't panic but we should prepare for others to panic. Definitely right definitely guys on that high note dares in order and i let me just literally ended on a high note is just because tough times are coming. I think good is going to come out of it. Oh don't i am. Maybe my little post mill talking to. I'm just not post me. When i'm talking about postal conference in a couple of weeks is god do using this for good and i think that he's gonna come out. There's been a need for a long time for our country to shake out the corruption. And they think it's coming. I just think it sooner than later. And we need to be prepared for and what that entails going. Can i tell you what. I hope yet please. I hope that the tough times that are ahead will put me out of a job. And what i mean by that is that i hope that this nonsense. That's being toyed. Around with this critical race theory stuff looked so irrelevant and childish because because of the troubles that we face like we were will need to galvanize together and be like okay. Well let's put away these toys and start focusing on real stuff. I hope. I don't think it's going to happen. But that would be amazing. Imagine if this kind of stuff galvanizes the actual church and so we can stop talking about stupid things like how much representation we have of women in our on our stage and stuff like that seriously released. Let that happen. Lord oh i got promoted people representing i love it. Oh my goodness out of job. You were just going to have to do reform daily. That's right man. listen. I'm all about rebranding and re Bridge events pivots. You've got to pivot in life if you're not pivoting if you're not pivoting you're not changing. You're dying man that's right. that's right. Hashtag the gospel coalition. all right. Everyone thank you for joining live. Appreciate you guys being flexible with us. Joining little th- little later than normal next week. Thursday seven thirty pm eastern time. Join us live. And if you don't you can catch us wherever you listen to podcasts or on youtube until they ban us on. Fridays will talk to you next week. God bless god bless ticker.

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Episode 246: Priestessing Priestesses - Keshira HaLev Fife

Judaism Unbound

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Episode 246: Priestessing Priestesses - Keshira HaLev Fife

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There's this concept in the Tomlin called had drawn When you reach the end of a chapter, you say we will return to you and that's how I've been feeling at the end of a lot of these series that we've been doing because we're only starting to scratch the surface we as a podcast, you're going to keep returning to these subjects. When we've kind of opened it up as a series whether that's through doing another series or just here and there, and we should see these all as a whole series that's taking place over time we're going to organize things that way on our website but in any event, this is the last interview as part of this series on women, the question of feminism and its impact on the past present and future of Judaism and so today we're actually going to close a mini loop in this series because we talked a few weeks ago to Jill Hammer and Ashir the founders of. The Hebrew Priestess Institute, which is one of these organizations that really incredible in some of its reverberations including our interview last week with L. Ken Iraq who has re gender. Torah and so we thought we would talk to somebody who went through that priestess training program and one could say is now representative of the next generation in the priestess movement even as there is another generation coming up and of course, many more to follow our guest today. Kashira, faith is the Oregano. Kayla, which means strictly speaking community weaver of coconut. He preached this institute. She describes herself as a proud Jewish women of color who sprinkles sparkles, disrupts, expectations, and offers blessings wherever she goes in service to the divine to their bright and benevolent ancestors and to those who are coming up after her she as a community weaver reclaiming should practices in ways that are. Resonant and relevant in the modern day in addition to her work at Kohana COSCIA. Faith is the founder and leader of Cashier Pittsburgh and more broadly dominatrix a prayer leader life cycle ceremony officiant ritual Creator ix litter gist songstress, and public speaker. She has lived in both the United States and Australia where she is a dual citizen and now she lives in. Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. She was ordained as a coconut, a Hebrew priestess in July of two thousand seventeen and she studied social history and public policy and management at Carnegie Mellon University in her hometown of Pittsburgh so because your faith welcome to. Judaism unbounded. So great to have you so wonderful to be here with you both. I'd love to hear a little bit about story of how you became a Kohana because we talk to Joe, Hammer and sheer, and we heard about the founding of this new institute this new way of being a Jewish leader and I think in some ways, this is the first time that we have an opportunity to talk to the founders of something new and then to somebody who joined it. When I was five years old and began kindergarten at circle time we were asked to stand up and say what we wanted to be when we grew up and at that time frame of reference is a little smaller than it is now. So I stood up and I said I wanted to be a rabbi. And I was always encouraged in my Jewish practice and Jewish involvement I wasn't always encouraged to pursue a rabbinical path. Fast forward to two thousand eleven I spent most of that year on well in treatment in recovery, and while I was recovering laying around looking out the window using about why young people fall ill, what came to me so strongly was that when I regain my strength and wellness to pursue a life of service and it came through really strongly to revisit this long-standing calling desire. And so at that time I was living in Australia I came back to the United States to check out some rabbinical programs and one of the programs was Aleph the Alliance for Jewish renewal and I found myself at home immediately within the renewal context and yet I still had lingering questions about the rabbinic ordination path. While I was there at the biennial gathering of renewal folks, I met a couple of people who were beginning something called Cohen. I had never heard of it before I went back to my roots and I googled it and was deeply intrigued and I can remember I sent the link to my love who was still in Australia and I said to him. What do you think about this program if I applied and was accepted? Would it be doable for me to participate because it's seven retreats over three years I was living in Sydney it was happening. Isabella. Freedman. And he wrote back immediately and he said you were born for this. So I applied and the rest is history still being made. Can you talk a little bit about why you and perhaps why other people who have ended up going through the Kohana program why they make the decision to do to become a Kohana and not to become a rabbi? I'm particularly curious about the distinction between the two we talked with Joe Hammer and Tadjoura about it again in theory I'm also curious about the practicality of it. I've been intrigued from the very beginning about. This idea of there being alternatives to being rabbi a lot of people feel like if they are really into Judaism and WanNa do something. Then really their options are to go to rabbinical school or to get a PhD in Jewish studies and so I'm so thrilled that there are other alternatives and want there to be more. But can you talk about how people assess those options in what draws them to becoming a Kohana? It might not be exactly the right metaphor but I'll say if you've ever woken up with stiff neck, sometimes you need a chiropractor and sometimes you need a massage therapist there to perfectly legitimate routes to take when looking for healing or realignment and different folks need different than. When I arrived to, Hanni-. It awakened in me a knowingness and a remembering that wasn't cognitive. That the rhythms of prayer the ways of ritualized. The questions that we were exploring the willingness for questions to be asked opened up something that had been previously unknown and unforeseen by me. To the question of why. People choose this path and not a rabbinic path I think it's important. To step back a little bit. And widen the frame. So on one hand, the Jewish world is as it is today because of rabbinical schools and. Programs and all of the working mechanisms that have created for better or worse landscape as we know it. And there's also in the Tora wildfire that which surrounds the letters that we read. And the willingness to back up and look at a wider frame and say okay What is absent? What is missing which voices are missing? What yearnings do we have? That are not met by the current state of things and how might we respond to those not only by innovating and bringing things into the present moment but by looking back far enough to remember that which has been forgotten. I want to dive into what you said about having a stiff neck. I think about a stiff neck a lot because in Bible you know it says that the Israelites wandering around in the desert were stiff necked. and. Even. On the High Holidays, there's liturgy when we're apologizing for whatever set of sins says she she knew or if we were stiff necked and I like, I always look at that in the liturgy and I'm like I don't know if that's a sin like I like being stiff I. Think it's kind of it's kind of a worthwhile thing to have what I associate with a stiff neck to have a sense of I, Dunno stubbornness. But not in the words we have our. Negatively inflicted to have like a commitment to a set of ideal such that you would stand your ground such that you would have a stiff neck when they're pushed and it's not that I want everybody to be like the Israelites in the desert stretching all the time. But like I, do think there's a power there and I guess I'd I'd Kinda connect that I mean maybe you can correctly or you can give your take on this I, feel like the people I'm meeting Cohen. Are People who in the positive in the positive sense I mean not in the negative sense have kind of stiff neck like they could have become rabbis but like there's a sense Senate like Nah, that's not quite it like I'm GonNa do a different leadership role. I'm going be Kohana and that's GonNa be a lesser role. It's GonNa be a different role and I, guess I'm curious to hear from you like does that land well here the stiff necked idea they would you push back is at a different personality trait or something. How do individual cohort and maybe you relate to that conception I love this question I want a new onset a little bit when someone wakes up with a stick, a stiff neck and. goes to a chiropractor or massage therapist. Presumably, they're looking for relief from the stiffness it's causing. Pain, and typically what happens from my own experience is that it limits my range of motion on and my ability to move freely. And to see in multiple directions by moving moving my neck with ease and I think the thing that you're describing which I will validate for. Sure. Is Not a sense of stiffed stiff neck Sorry. I don't know if that is a symptom of a stiff neck. It's more of a function of deep-rooted -ness of deep knowingness of who we are and what we're about of connection to ancestoral lineages lineage is that have undergone some healing work? And to the contrary of stiff neck. A fluidity of movements and agility that allows us to turn our heads even more than we might normally I'm to see. Where are there places that people or ideas have been unseen or perhaps even pushed away so that they not be seen. I'm this is. A point of pride for me that the hallmark of a Kohana is someone who is willing to bring deep presence to a situation and perception of all that needs to be perceived not only what's on the page or sometimes not only what's told the story I'm but to listen more deeply to read to think critically and also to know that our knowingness doesn't always have to just be from the neck off. Some of the institutions and mainstream. Doing a good job. Of Welcoming people of Color Queer Folks Disabled, folks other marginalized communities that they've missed the boat. The step forward is not to be more welcoming. It's to realize that White Ashkenazi Jews don't actually own Judaism it's not actually there's to discern. And I think that Kohana as an institution and the people that are drawn to Kohana that's hold that frame of Judaism we still hold sacred so much about Judaism and Jewish practice, and yet there is a sense that. My definition of tradition, which Kohana Shamir Chandler likes to remind us is nothing more than what a few generations our family has done. The most traditional thing about Judaism is constantly changing. I'm that we don't get to define where the parameters are. That's a collective job and also an individual relationship with the divine. Talking a lot lately with a number of different folks about what a rabbi is and also what rabbi should be. Those are not always the same question rabbis in terms of what we want them to be is not always the same as what they are descriptively today. and. Something fascinating happened in one of the conversation something I loved which was I think when you are Kohana and people are trying to get a sense of what you do who you are as a Co hennent often folks like you and we've done this too. It's like Well, we answer like in relationship to Rabbi Rabbi is the thing that people have heard of and no, and then like Kohana does a thing that's also a Jewish leadership role but a different one. So you compare contrast rectangle square those two roles. What happened was I was talking with somebody about what a is and I asked a question that I've asked a lot of people, which is if rabbi ing were a verb if to rabbi were verb, what would it mean like what would what does it mean to rabbis someone and I'm like genuinely interested in what people think they'd say to that and the answer was awesome because it started with I'm not sure but I'm reminded of the idea of practicing. Kohana this was not somebody who themselves. Kohana. Who is was not somebody who identifies as a woman and so I was just like Oh my God. We've we've taken a positive step enough that somebody out there would be asked a question about rabbi and use a frame of reference of. Of Priestess, which is like a pretty new role and like, wow, we've reached a stage in Jewish civilization where that's a recognizable look. It's not that everybody knows what it is. It's not that everybody knows what priestesses but like we've reached a stage where like if you're kind of. In, the if you're somebody like me who works for Jewish organizations, like you can assume that people know what it is, and even in this case, what practicing is to a certain extent and then the answer went were the answer when it was very beautiful. What is it to go? Head it? What is it to priestess? It's it's a comparable question to who is go Hannett which we've already started to get it right but I think it's also subtly different what is practicing and how do people do it Words originate as verbs they are relational. By nature they become now notified they become things and we sometimes forget their relation. -ality. So I love that with him, Kohana priest sing is an active verb and means many things. In some cases we joke that you can use the verb practicing to really mean anything if you need someone to clean up a room, you could say it will be an wonderful act of priests assessing to create sacred space here practicing in some ways could be synonymous with tending. But I mean tending in the highest form and the the thing that underlies it is that it's done on behalf of sacredness sweeping the floor could in fact, be an act of sacredness clearing a room and creating the kind of context for people to come in and pray. Priest. To sing could also be sitting by the bedside of someone who needs comfort or companionship. And bringing full presence to the situation. Priests Kissing might mean drawing not sign and getting out on the street in inactive deeply convicted practicing raising are signs raising our voices. For Justice and on behalf of marginalized. One of the exercises of the priestess receiving Smith is to be in deep reflection conversation and writing in order to derive a priestess invocation to define for each one of us what does practicing mean for us and how are we committed to ending the world? Can you talk some about the kinds of? Work that casino do after they get their ordination and also are there ways in which you imagine that over time that will and ought to change? Are there are there fantasies that you have about the kind of work that note will do in the Jewish world? We have folks who had jobs before and have the same jobs after. And yet the way they do the job is fundamentally different because of the experience and the skills. That they've acquired as part of Kohana I like to tell prospective students that if you've done a university degree, you will not find Kohana necessarily to be more rigorous than that. However, Kohana spiritually rigorous I'll be gentle and say it invites. US, to reflect upon long held beliefs and practices not to necessarily unravel and let them go. But to bring critical analysis to wire, we doing these things. What are we doing? Are. They resonant and relevance in the present moments are they in service and? How might they be brought into greater alignment with? Our divine connection with our relationship to the earth and with our values as community makers. In one way you could say a person who was previously working in corporate field out working as a teacher as a nurse, an artist, a healer, a musician. Those. Folks may come into Kohana out of Kohana and their job title. Might. Not. Change. I would say the depth of which they fulfil their role in the richness they bring will almost certainly changed for others of us. Kohana is a pathway to restructuring the way that we live I tell people that I'm a fulltime priestess that translates into working on multiple projects in multiple ways, and in all cases I, bring my skills and presence as a priestess to task, and there is no expectation within Kohana people either will or won't change their vocation. There is only the prayer and blessing that the way that we move through the world be fundamentally changed. So I remember meeting you a few times. I don't even remember where honestly maybe you do I remember a number of years ago like we met digitally this was before you know everything Jewish. was digital but like we encountered each other in various digital spaces and in various sort of renewal spaces may be renewal being the denomination that I'm being into rabbi through and that you mentioned going to the biennial gathering for. And I say I bring that up to say like you're much more than like holder of position executive director, of Cohen. And I actually, I noticed on your on your bio on your website, you describe yourself as executive director of Kohana, but you render it in Hebrew or rugged. He'll which I thought was a really cool move mean honestly, it matters less to me precisely how you translate arrogate Kapila which you know roughly you're putting his executive director but more that you're layering this word that people could hear as kind of a no stale it's not that executive directors are like boring terrible positions, but I think people could hear it as like that's like an administrative task. There's there's the there's the people doing sort of spiritual work often in synagogues for example, I mean there's there's the clergy on the one hand. and. Then there's the executive director or there's the the administrative folks and I think there's a way in which implicitly are sort of questioning that and saying others spiritual work here I'm going to render it in Hebrew and layer it with some specialness and so I'm interested in that. But I'm not just interested in that I'm interested in the ways that who you are what? You do is not just Kohana. It is also all these other things that we've encountered each other through and one if this is a good starting point is that I know you've been the cherished leader of a group called share. It's funny because it's so close to your name Sheera but cashier fellows in an olive in the Jewish Renewal Movement this group of really awesome. Emerging. JEWISH PEOPLE IN I duNno twenties and thirties who are doing things gathering in a cohort. But really that's just a starting point. I'm curious how you would conceptualize what you do how you priestess beyond just through the role you have as. He lies executive director at. First I want to say that the title rugged could he la is my role and we to the courteous thing which is trying to translate that into something that will be understood in the wider world or gets he Lamin's weaver of community, and that is the truest naming of the role that I play for. A. One of my favorite namings was given to me by students who call me the priests s who priestesses the priestesses, and this is a role of holding a wide container for everything that's happening, and the primary thing that I do is kind of zoom zoom out which is to hold the wide container and think about the organization and then zoom into the individual intend the experienced. Organizations are just the sum total of their people. and. So we need to balance what does it mean as an organization to grow and thrive and what is it mean to to well tend are people. I had a realization a few years ago. which was that as Kohana. I would receive Smith and be able to go out into the world and do some job some role tending some community and what became apparent pretty quickly is that my skill set could best be used to end able lots of other people to go out and do the same. I could certainly have an impact in a community and I'd like to think that I have impact in various communities in which I serve. And there's something also deeply gratifying. About being able to do this in ways that support others in there are NASA in their livelihood finding their right path being canyon creating community context in which people can connect and deepen enhance their experiences of life and the olive cashier fellowship which you name it is a great example of this. I came into this role as program director at a time when I was given a structure for fellowship, which was comprised of an opening and closing Shalva ton or Shabazz's weekend gathering. With webinars between and sometime between that. Of. A ton and now. A global pandemic took hold and we had to really adapt to meet the moments. In. Some ways the fellows have thrived because we've really deepened, what does it mean to be part of a fellowship cohorts to do the spiritual reflection work together in a way that's consistent and without geography as a barrier to connection it's been gratifying and also fun and inspiring to be a traveler with this group of eighteen fellows who have really been through a lot together. This year I'm excited that we've just launched applications for the next cohort, and in addition to bringing in that cohort will also be holding alumni aren't alumni. Body so that folks can matriculate become part of something greater that it's not just a transformational experience and then people are blessed on their way but that they continue to be part of the movements and part of a community. Today I'm clearly in like a word zone I very consistently in a word zone of thinking about how words sound and how they play together. But I just heard you say something you know inwards that struck me deeply and I got to go there. So you said alumni or alumni X. which eight. That's a fascinating thing because like alumni is like a Latin ending right and then alumni x is I, guess it's still like Latin any alumni is a gender neutral ending that's often used for. Latin. X as an adjective and more and more for other kinds of adjectives to describe folks who are non binary or just to as an umbrella term for folks of many genders so that we're not assuming all people are male which I don't know the Latin but I, think alumni is like a masculine you're nodding. So alumnis I think is like a masculine Latin ending, which is not a great thing to group a bunch of people who are not necessarily mail into that. Okay. So Alumni. Let's talk about Cohen, as an amazing awesome institution that I think has been really thoughtful about how we think about this roll which it's net. It's consciously created as that at being a feminine ending in Hebrew, differentiating it from cocaine a masculine role in in the Bible and. Even, in later iterations of Judaism, but there's also a way in which in recent years maybe maybe even farther back I, don't know. You've started to understand yourselves not only as being an organization for women, but also for folks who are non binary I love to hear. Is that something where like programming your curriculum has really consciously shifted X. Y. or Z.. Or is it just like? Well, we actually we're going about things in a way that didn't require such active shifts. It was like how how has that been for your organization and maybe to the extent you want to do this to like. How would we think more broadly beyond just Cohen as Jewish community about creating spaces that may have once been women's spaces but are now becoming women and non binary spaces. That I distinction that's useful to make Is that Kohana as an institution as a community. And as a movement, we could focus on the water we doing and we could focus on the WHO's doing the doing. and. In my view in order to comprise, we need to balance those things. So that is to say the program did start out with the naming and continues to hold the naming Kohana, which is feminized version of the Word Cohen. And part of that is a reclamation. We know that there were Cohen notes. In Times past and we could be polite and say perhaps they've been forgotten I. Think more realistic would be to say that they have been erased were redacted. There's necessity to do the reclaiming. At the time that Kohana was founded. This was a bold big claim. I think that's hair and Jill said in the podcast that they recorded with you, they are prepared to be accused of heresy. It's now fifteen years later. And there is a you to teaching which says that where there is doubts. About what to do? Look out on the street and see what the people are doing. So coordinates is in a moment now. In some ways we're catching up to the naming of what's going on on the street. Are, applicants over time have become more diverse. We take this as a testament to doing the kind of work that is creating the world as we wish it to be. It's incumbent upon us to respond to that and be responsive in our leadership. The other thing that's worth naming is that Kohana is a three year program. So much can change over three years including people's own understanding of themselves particularly when they're doing intensive spiritual and reflective work. So as a person and as a community that values relationship before task. We always ask questions to grapple with and be with from a heart centered and curious place and where there is resistance what might need to be healed in order for us to show up. Evermore. To doing the work that we're called to do. I'm thinking about another another scene from the Talmud that been a lappy and I talk about on our show that we do call the oral Tom. I come in. I'm coming to think more and more that it's one of the most important scenes in the entire, Tomlin maybe in its own time and certainly for ours where where at this moment where the head of the yeshiva the head of the Rabbinic School in the old days the early days have been Judaism Rub and Gabrielle is thrown out of his position as a result of that they they. Remove the guards from the gates to the House of study and these people flood in who were being kept out for whatever reason before that's an important moment. But the really important moment is I think the first thing they do is they take up a question about somebody who wants to become Jewish, who is from the AMMONITES, which was another people which the Torah explicitly says they may not become Jewish. They, they may not ever join the community of Israel and they take up this question whether this person can join according to the Torah. The answer would be clear. No, and they conclude that the answer is yes and so meaning that what happens when you start to let people in who were being kept out is the first thing they do is let more people in and for some people. That's something. To be afraid of and for other people that something to be very inspired by for me, it's something to be inspired by the reason I bring that up is because you said something early on where we were talking about Kohana, which after all is founded to be an organization for initially for women and you said something in reflecting about it that really the big idea here is that it's not about. Being. Invading including of people it's about saying that Ashkenazi Away Dash is ages don't own Judaism and it struck me that that that was happening naturally right that in organization that sort of created to be built around the experience of those whose for whom Judaism was not built around their experience previously are. Up The mantle of saying, how do we let more people in how do we really expand the understanding of what Judaism is beyond gender? and. So I love to go even further than Lexus question and ask you to reflect a little bit about whether it's about Kohana or whether it's about other phenomena that you see happening. Jewish. World Today I. Mean I think about all the LGBT organizations which are also doing Not, only are they not only? Are they interested in letting more people in you know and then being liberals? Spaces for other people but. A. Lot of people who who were not connecting to. Existing Jewish organizations find what those organizations are doing to be very attractive, and then it's then it's a concern because there's a lot of you know straight white men that WANNA come to this lgbt organization. They say, wait a second it's not really what it's about you know, and so how do we also manage that? What is created by those who had previously been marginalized is often just gotTa gravitational attraction because it's it's right. You know. It's deeply resonant and not only for that particular group. Then it potentially unleashes something bigger but but you know I kind of feel a little bit jealous. If things like Kohana because I feel like I also want to not become a rabbi but to have something that I can be and there isn't really that much out there you know. So I mean, maybe we'll create it but I'm still curious about how you how you think about that. I think the Talmudic story that you point to illustrates that we can understand sacred texts to be prescriptive or descriptive. And, I understand it to be descriptive. It was describing who was keeping who out at the time. And then what happens is that if it serves those in power to keep it that way, then suddenly it becomes instructive or prescriptive and get stuck like that. We're trying to shift that paradigm or trying to unravel some of that. because. So many of us have been on the receiving end of the slamming gates. And that connects to the latter part of what you said, which is that these organizations who are doing this laboratory work suddenly become attractive for various reasons. Part of the healing that's needed. is in the willingness to allow space for those that have been on the margins to really move to the center. I have a revered teacher Stephen Jenkinson teaches that. The best way to love mountain is not to walk on it. That is to say that if you truly. Love what you're seeing. By all means come and pray with US comments celebrate with us. Allow yourself to be led by us so that we can drive. because. Otherwise, what happens is that? The Care and love ends up smothering or cannibalizing that which we claim to love. My own understanding of Judaism, and perhaps what goes awry within the wider structure is that I don't need somebody to validate my I never have. And yet for decades, other people implicitly insisted that idea. And I'm speaking from the I but I mean broadly, this is the experience of many marginalized. I teach a class called on solid ground fundamentals of Judaism. and. The class is roughly akin to a one. Oh one what might you need to know about Judaism in order to participate? And also brings in an anti oppressive Lens. So I kind of flipped back and forth saying traditionally or in the mainstream here's how it goes and here are some questions for consideration before we just buy into that paradigm. A simple example of this that I would offer recognizing that this will not jive in some Jewish circles is that if I ask rabbi, how do I eat? Jewish -ly. I'm likely to be asked what am I eating and then told the BRASA the blessing to save prior to eating whatever that thing is. I rather think that if I'm a Jewish person eating in alignment with my values consistent with. Deep consideration for animal rights for the Earth. The level of conversation I'm having when I eat what I was doing while preparing the food who I'm welcoming at my table. I'm inherently eating Jewish -ly whether I've set a or not. I, teach my students that saying elevates the act of eating and brings more sacredness on holiness. But if you've eaten without saying abruptly, it doesn't invalidate your Judaism. And yet I cannot tell you how many people approach me and say I'm Jewish Butts and then insert whatever thing. Makes them feel lesser than their perception of how quote Unquote Real, Jus or more observant Jews do it. This is not only a disservice to the individual, but it's a disservice to the collective. It makes me wonder some times after all the people are done invalidating their Judaism, who's left to actually draw those parameters and say, this is how it should be. Well, it feels like there. There are two questions right? There's like you say who has left eye something that I think I've been saying I think we've both been saying for a long time that when you think about. Who really feels super comfortable in their in their approach to Judaism and who is sort of making all the rules that is making everybody feel bad. It's actually a tiny minority of Jews and the question is. How to get that silent majority to not see themselves as a silent majority of Jews but actually see themselves as a silent majority of good Jews who have an alternative way of being Jewish. The problem is it's like Anna Karenina. All unhappy families are unhappy in different ways. You know how can we get the unhappy families to band together even though they're unhappy for different reasons and that that I feel like part of the project and I feel like part of the project is people like you and me I think who I also feel like I've never felt my own Judaism was invalid but most people like me. Do, feel that way and most people like you do you feel that way and so the question is those of us who for whatever reason of like birth of of of a certain way we grew up of some kind of something that's like in here in our personalities that happened not to feel that way what what is it that we can do to help others who don't have that inborn trait to feel like? No no no, you're. You're approach really is valid. You are you really are valid. Do you do you have particular things that you do on that score thoughts that you imagine we should be doing? A bigger framing issue I think we've talked about this a little bit in the past and it references. My favorite episode within lappy talking about institutional crash and the various options option three person carrying. The jewels of tradition forward while integrating them with what's happening now. I've long been a believer that are institutions even though their strength in numbers. Rana risk when they get to big. I've been predicting for some time that will eventually end up with stables again. For some of the reasons that you name, it's Ni- impossible to gather the silent majority. And get agreement on really anything but in small groups and Kohana. Is, one of those small groups where we find our people where we find our kindreds and there's a sense of being at home. In our practice in our conventions. In our ways of life and maybe. A good way forward would be to encourage and seed more of these communities to strengthen themselves so that the people inside them can thrive that seems to be a stronger proposition than trying to reform everybody into how we might otherwise be. So it's really easy with an organization as layered as go hennent to focus on for lack of a better term like the content of it like the law of the questions we've done the WHO is a Kohana at the what is practicing? I'm interested in the structure thing of Kohana that is not unique to go with that I. Think you'd bring an interesting lens to in the pandemic and even before but especially in the pandemic mic, Dan and I have been thinking a lot about not just digital Judaism not just like the fact that Judaism is living digitally even more now than it was pre pandemic but like. What. That means furred geography for Jewish geography? What does it mean to even live in like one quote unquote Jewish community I live. In Providence, Rhode Island I live in that Jewish community like to what extent does that mean anything right now when I can access every synagogue on the planet or anyone that's doing digital service, which is probably over a thousand like what does it? Mean to be in a Jewish community all of those words in quotes and I'm interested in hearing from organizations like cohesion it that already have been Trans Geographic. Dan often talks about how like when you're wandering in the desert the way you figure out what to do is you ask the people that have already been in the desert wandering for a while that's where you learn. Where in that desert wandering time period of Judaism that's one of the core premises of our show. So you're part of this project where you can go on the website and you can see, wow, people have been ordained in like different continents and within the United States, the West Coast, and here's the East Coast and all of those people it's not as if you set up little. Buildings in seventy different cities around the world like they've been doing program that involves like you said, retreats that were they do gather at least pre pandemic. And is largely decentralised, and so I'm curious like what? A sort of user language of descriptive and prescriptive like what is it descriptively to be a Trans Geographic Organization but also for the future of Judaism for the future of the world to some extent what could it be if we actually saw that Trans Geographic nece not as a temporary thing brought to us by pandemic, which it certainly isn't for Kohana. Organizations. But actually a model for moving forward where all those questions of what is Jewish community become knew how would you approach that? was reflecting on this yesterday and thinking about. When we ask the right question we ask a potent question. Sometimes, we receive a response greater than the question we asked and I was talking about this specifically with regards to Kohana because for fourteen years. Kohana community met. Twice a year on the east coast. And for the last. Five. Ish Years twice a year on the west coast and priestesses allies in loved ones were invited to join us for Shabat Four Times A. And in between, we would gather for virtual temple classes as people signed up for them not everybody is in the virtual temple all the time. When the pandemic began the question at hand was, how are we going to weather quarantine when we can't meet in person for our retreats and we began to adapt the retreat structure in order to create an experience we certainly couldn't create the same experience, but we could create a good experience. What arose. Was the awareness that people. Need a urine for connection, and so we begin to Daven. To gather for prayers every Friday night and every Saturday morning show about morning and also to Torah study every week. So. While we were trying to figure out how to salvage a training program that couldn't meet in person the by products of our thinking broadly. Has Strengthened and deepened our community beyond what we thought possible. I. CanNot Tell You how many times in the last seven months I've had a moment where I thought this would not have happened in the normal course of events. That people are able to come to Shiva calls to baby namings to be together to read from time to learn. Not just with people who happened to be down the streets are are part of the same congregation because there's enough showed values for us to be there. But because there is genuine contrition. And There's something really powerful there. When we take geography out of the equation. Suddenly we find ourselves with. People who understand US and who we understand, and that really comes as a result of this continued touch points of people coming together. I was assigned Jewish secular at birth and have grown up to rush non-conforming. I was named at road of Shalom, the Reform Temple of the. Pittsburgh. Platform which began reform Judaism in the United States as a kindergarten I was enrolled in. Sunday. School at tree of life congregation where I grew up at my Mitzvah. Who was married in the chapel and I came to understand only in two thousand four. That Mike. Great great grandfather and his brother were among the founding members of an Orthodox congregation I found out as it was closing. And the reason I found out was because my father and other members of my family were involved in the maintenance of the cemetery which in some ways I have inherited a now managed is Orthodox. Cemetery. The reason I'm sharing this anecdote. Is that the towers from that congregation one of them is now in my possession and was probably not opened much between two thousand four. And the beginning of this pandemic. This Toro now resides in my home. And virtually every week we is Tara and I follow with a cinnamon quill yod while coordinates yet Ila. Or One of our other community members lanes from another location entirely. My ancestors couldn't have imagined that someone who looks like me would be unrolling the Torah let alone doing it on zoom with people across time and space. Receiving. There are many people in the world I'm sure who would shake their heads at the thought of this happening. And yet I can't help but marvel. About the ways in which we are we enlivening. This. Tara has life again is being rolled and read from each week. People are being called to the Torah and receiving blessing. Each And it's only possible because we can do this without regard to geography the technology has allowed and the circumstance has invited us to prioritize and be there to make it happen. It's a beautiful thing that's happening and I want I'm naming it so that I can share at an also so that I can remember what's possible when we really open our hands and let go of all that preconceived notions of how things have to be we make room for what's possible to become. So we didn't plan this when we. scheduled the order of episodes. But as you just spoke to your connection to the tree of life synagogue, in Pittsburgh it occurred to me and I'm sure this is present for you That this week is the site week the anniversary week of that shooting at the tree of life sad building in Pittsburgh and so I'd love to just hear from you. What that? Moment what that anniversary means as it arises this year and to the extent that it connects to other conversation threads that we've had about. Kohana. About the future of. Judaism. Really. Whatever arises as we close out I'd love to hear. Your testimony. I often say that leadership is conferred by followership. or by though willingness to rise to the occasion and I was deeply moved to realize following. October twenty seventh. That, my leadership was conferred as a result of my showing up to ten this community individuals within it families and wider circles. As a function of my presence and service in the days that followed very few people were concerned about my credentials. And it made me realize what a luxury and privilege it is. To, have conversations about who's valid who's legitimate who belongs and who doesn't. That really. If, we were to allow ourselves to get to the heart of the matter and consider the state of our world. We would focus our attention on the ways in which we can work together rather than what separates us. Thank you so much for joining us. This has been a fantastic conversation. Thanks for having me. And thanks so much to all of you out there for listening. We know that this episode ended in a very different way than we normally do by thinking back to that moment two years ago the shooting at the tree of life synagogue building in. Pittsburgh. 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Episode 254: The Jewish 1% - Danielle Durchslag

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Episode 254: The Jewish 1% - Danielle Durchslag

"Support for this episode of judaism. Unbound comes from the family. Jcc in palo alto california whose vision is to be the architect of the jewish future. The oshman's jcc empowers you to experience jewish paths toward a life of joy purpose and meaning through innovative jewish learning and wellness programs community building and initiatives to develop the next generation of jewish leaders. Learn more at www dot palo alto jcc dot org this judaism unbound episode two hundred fifty four the jewish one percent. Welcome back everyone. I'm dan lee benson and lex rosenberg and first of all. Merry christmas to all who observe in any way that you may observe. We are excited to share this episode with you a really fun and amazing interview with danielle dirk slug before we jump into it. We just want to note that this is the last friday. We always release are new episodes on friday. And this is the last friday of twenty twenty first of all what a relief. What a terrible year it has been. But there's another reason to mention that it's the last show of two thousand twenty. Which is that a lot of people like to do their annual giving at the very end of the year. Do we have a large stack of contributions to start sending out. And so if that describes you and you'd like to make a gift to judaism unbound that would be really amazing and appreciate it. We're really looking for number of donors amount of gifts so if you can only afford a little please nevertheless consider giving it because we think that other philanthropists will be very excited about the idea that we have a large number of donors that a large number of people who are listening to judaism unbound also feel part of it in some way or at the very least one support it with a little bit of their own money so to do that go. Www dot judaism unbound dot com slash. Donate and now. Let's turn to the topic of our conversation today. Which more or less is big philanthropy. Our guest today. danielle dir. Schlub is an artist and filmmaker based in brooklyn new york. Her great grandfather was a man named nathan cummings. If you've heard that name in the jewish world you probably know it from the nathan cummings foundation which is one of the leading jewish foundations devoted to social justice. Danielle durch lug has been a board member of the nathan cummings foundation and she came to our attention about a year ago when she published an article in tablet called the jewish one percent which was subtitled. It's time to talk openly about the comforts and toxicities avast wealth and power danielle dish. Lug is no longer involved directly with the family's philanthropy. She is still doing some speaking about philanthropy including with our recent guest. Lila corwin berman. The author of the recent book the american jewish philanthropic complex the history of a multibillion dollar institution but as i said and dish leg is primarily an artist and filmmaker. Her work has shown at venues including the jewish museum. Toronto shorts international film festival the invisible dog art center denny. Gallery the ackland art museum and the new york jewish film festival many of her films take footage from old movies and through animation and dialogue changes. Turn them into commentaries about the psychological and political complexities of american jewish wealth. Her short film. Eleanor illinois received a grant from the inaugural cycle of the n. y. a. Made a new york women's film tv and theatre fund. Daniel durch log has also been doing some really interesting work. Rethinking elements of jewish holidays and jewish holiday practices. She's had to amazing projects about sue coat. One called a wondering sucker and then this year responding to the pandemic her project is called sucker in place. She's invited a number of choreographers to develop ways to achieve some of the same experiences through body movement. Danielle dish log was selected as a fellow for the two thousand nine thousand nine hundred thousand twenty cycle of the new jewish culture fellowship. We're really thrilled to have this conversation. So danielle durch schlock welcome to judaism unbounded so great to have you thank you so much. I'm glad to be here. I remember. I think i was on a car ride with my family when your article came out about a year ago and somehow i remember sitting in the car and it popping up and saying oh this is going to be interesting and i read your article tablet and i was like. We're going to have to have you on the podcast because this is the conversation that that we want to have. And i mean there was a particular line where you say. The time demands that we as jews train our frank gays on our own discourse about ourselves and money and i was like yeah. Let's do that can create start by just asking a little bit about when you wrote that article. What what was it that you were trying to say. And what was it that you are trying to achieve. So i wrote the jewish one percent in part because the silence around jewish wealth is well earned an understandable but i think actually quite problematic obviously antisemitic conspiracy theories obsessively focus on kind of outlandish amounts of jewish affluence and influence. That's really the main trope of those hateful conspiracy theories and as a result you know our fear of even touching the subject is so seismic. Because we're really concerned that we will somehow validate those hateful fantasies that we just don't go there and to not go there on a subject as important has jews and money jews and capitalism And how those things intersect with. The state is really a loss especially for a community that is so dedicated to questioning too tough discourse and culturally and this is something i reference in the peace. Tim bluntness you know. One of the things. I love about us. Culturally is that we're willing to go there even when the subject is hard or tough or scary to give you a sense of how tender this area is just the title of the essay jewish one percent. Got me push back. I was told by some you know. Obviously there's a big generational gap here. This tends to be older audiences. Where i get this kind of feedback. That title itself is anti-semitic just acknowledging. The jewish wealth exists is problematic. I i have felt all of this for years. Why did i want to write this article now. In this era a cousin. Jews are disproportionately present in this administration in running the country. You know in the white house and the jews who are there tend to be from quote unquote very successful families. Right which is the language is in our community to mean rich there from wealthy jewish families most of them so i thought it was a really important moment to talk about. What has success wrought you know. Is this what success fundamentally should and does look like in our community for those who made it this time for me to have that conversation so i'm curious from your own experience before we get into what you have to say about it. I'm curious about when you try to provoke that conversation through this article. Was it provoked like. Did you feel that people started to have the conversation that you wanted them to have or do you feel like that conversation is still not being had. I think it's mostly not being. Had you know i did get surprisingly kind of enthused response from people. Sort of i'm. I'm turning forty this winter people sort of my age and younger. I got a lot of feedback. That was great. Want to have this conversation. It has felt off limits for so long. It shouldn't be. I got some pushback from older generations. But fundamentally i think the the bring up the essay is still are not really being dealt into in a public way. We are so trepidation about touching these topics which is partly why as visual artists. They're really where i make. My space might really write creatively. Go because there's so much to say. And it's so vitally important and it's really there's a couple things that arise from me in a title like the jewish one percent one is it only makes sense to people that title only works to people at and communicate something because we have a concept of the one percent generally in society. That's not jewish specific. And so i'm actually thinking a lot about the ways in which the generational divide you describe is sort of specific to judaism like we could talk about trauma and fear connected to the holocaust. There's all sorts of ways that like older generations of jews absolutely has some distinctive relationships to wealth that that are important to talk about. And i think that there's a broader conversation beyond just jus about how different generations do and don't talk about wealth like honestly. I think my parents and especially like my grandparents forgetting the jewish friends there non-jewish in general. It was kind of off the table to talk about wealth. I think what you hint at with people under forty or wherever. We're gonna draw the line. Like i think i don't know the millennial generation in quotes part of it. Whatever but like. I think we have recognized that the lack of talking about money isn't just some like benign choice. It has an impact when employers for example. Don't want people talking about the amount of money. They make that actually serves a purpose and leads to the employers being able to have a lot of control and and serve injustice in a variety of ways. And so i'd love to ask sort of about those two pieces like what about. This is a very specific set of jewish questions like the jewish relationship to wealth. And what about. This is actually a broader set of faux pas taboos that we have as a society about talking about money. It's a great couple of points i would say. All americans struggle with open discourse about class. Right it's not what we're famous for is talking successfully and in a nuanced fashion about money so clearly. Jewish americans were part of that culture. There's a lot of fear general around kind of going there. I wanted inactivity In a sort of arts group. That i was part of where we had to line up physically by class. So they said you know the poorest of the poor this side of the room the wealthiest of the wealthy opposite room. Everyone else figure it out and can you guess what everyone did probably went to the middle to start exactly right so i march off to wealth to people who were really strongly identified with and proud of having come from poverty. Go to the other side of the room and everyone else and this was probably a room full of like thirty forty people. They crowd in the middle and they are fighting it out over. How many. Tv's what kinds of tv's one car to kars any cars right. And so those of us on the extreme ends are watching. This really pained discourse as people try to place themselves and it takes a long time after we complete the exercise the people who lead it said to us in the uk. This takes ten minutes. Everyone knows where they are in the class. You talked about it. Their whole lives they line up and then we move on. That's a portrait. I think about a lot in terms of general. What your class discourse in this country most people in. Nfl middle class in the numbers. Don't support that as a cultural belief. And i think jews have those same confusions and concerns. What makes the jewish peace specific. And i would say specifically tender and pain is this tether to antisemitic. Conspiracy theory combined with our very well earned identity as victims. You know we combine identity. Honestly it is real and it makes so much sense. That doesn't mean that it isn't dangerous and harmful right When you identify strongly as in in a tribal way as victims self reflection on things like privilege and power become really painful and difficult right because it feels like if i'm acknowledging power if i'm acknowledging affluence somehow that removes this victimhood that i'm so identified with no my argument is it doesn't right is humans you can be wealthy and a victim you can have power in one arena and be scared in another but holding back kind of nuanced portrait especially of a group of people. Humans aren't super well equipped for that acknowledging privilege and talking about privilege also means inherently acknowledging an end referencing a set of responsibilities that we may not want but do exist. See i do think there are. Specific components of what is overall a pained discourse for the country. So i think there's at least two categories of people that would make the most sense to talk about in this conversation although feel free to say that there are more. And obviously this is part of a series that we're doing unfolding therapy. And so i wanna to talk about philanthropy later but before we do. I want to talk about some of the other. Potentially i guess you could call them like warping effects bad effects that come from way you're describing one. One category of people is the jewish one percent. And you started with that. These are people that are working in the administration and these are people that are doing other things that you kind of pokes fun at. In your films you know in terms of the desire to kind of be part of this sense of what the american went percents left to hear you talk about that in the problems that are going on there but then there's also what you just described the problem. Is that these people who i don't know if they're in the one percent that five hundred ten percent but the people who are battling over where they belong in the middle but they're really over on the wealthy end and when we talk about philanthropy one of the things i wanna talk about. That category of people is that they're not giving enough philanthropic because they don't see themselves as wealthy. I'm wondering if there are other effects that you think are also problematic among these people who actually are wealthy. But don't think of themselves as wealthy so i should say for those listening who haven't read the essay. I come from a wealthy jewish right. So i was raised in chicago. I'm very much in the one percent. My grandfather nathan started out as a peddler immigrants shoes door to door by the time his ended he was the founder and he'd ranchera league like a cake company for many years. He was a lot of leandra pissed in art collector so he really took that right from poverty into extreme wealth owning the identity of being wealthy. A sign of how scary it is is that people who are just unquestionably in that situation will really do incredible verbal gymnastics. Convince you otherwise. So i tell a story in the essay about being about six or seven years old being in a parking garage with my dad and asking him in my memory. It's the first time i did this. Are we rich and he said end. This is apparently. I've gotten so much feedback on because this language is fairly ubiquitous in well to do jewish families there was a pain long silence and then he said were comfortable and after that we got into his jaguar. That's pretty typical. Comfortable is the jewish. The jewish american. Serve you ms that we put on wealthy because comfort and it's a very fascinating choice. Actually because comfort has nothing to do with power the word comfort you know. What are you. Imagine your cozy on a sofa with a delicious blanket on top of you. That's comfort are associations with that. Have nothing to do with power. Obviously the conversation. That i'm looking to have with my art work. The essay that you guys are referencing is really a conversation. Fundamentally about power so for that for that jewish one percent. I think that's where the language can get on sort of tortured in an interesting fairly systematic ways. I've had a lot of friends. Come back and say people. I've never met before as well say. Comfortable is the word that i was told as well Very few of us no matter how much we have in the bank or how grand our home is or how many homes we have. Depending on the family of us actually sit. Psychologically in a place where we think. I'm wealthy and powerful for. I have so many friends who do not come from experience who are not any grew up nowhere near the one percent have never been one percent at a thing that we talk about a lot is their assumption which i understand that people from my background not only know that we are wealthy and powerful that we think about it consciously quite a lot an average person from that culture. I have to tell you. That's not true feeling empowered. I wish that was purely based on rational data. But it's not you. I have a dear friend who grew up in a situation very similar to mine. And she's never been charitable. She lives off. Trust like i do. She's a jew. Like i am and when we talk about why. That is what she references is. What an abusive home. She grew up as a kid. How destructive the emotional amex were sitting on that money as opposed to giving it away. The money she inherited from the people who really really severely harmed her. That's what psychologically has come to help her. Feel safe now. That's understandable. psychologically. It's political unfortunate. Not fantastic right but it's it's just one example of how someone sitting in the one percent is not walking around feeling powerful and wealthy which happens a lot. You wouldn't sit around the table and talk about being wealthy and powerful. I bought sounds obnoxious. And secondly if implies an awareness that a lotta people in that community frankly don't have. I am finding myself dying to talk about. I don't know like the second through. Twenty fifth percent so talked about the one percent the jewish one percent i so turning the lens inward for a second i was certainly not part of the one percent growing up. Was i close. I think probably. I think if i were in that room i like i would venture a guess that in the grand scheme. Maybe i'm the ten percent even like were comfortable. you know. We lived on a street in the milwaukee area that was like known as being like a wealthy street like lake. Drive on the We lived in a hundred year old house. We only lived in part of the house. And i always told people that i was very quick to say. Oh duplex and so. We only live in the top half of the house. 'cause i 'cause like i was hyper aware that that the term lake drive saying i lived on lake drive was instantly a signifier that i that i was very wealthy and i didn't want to be seen as that But i look. I grew up going to a private school from age. Four through high school with all of the tuition's of private school. It's and honestly. I was immersed in a culture not necessarily of the one percent of milwaukee. Although some of that i was immersed in a culture with a lot other jews who were certainly in the second through ten or twenty percent and i think honestly if we were to look around jewish communities like i talk constantly i lived in providence rhode island all of the quote unquote jewish areas are also like the wealthy areas of of our towns and like you said like we don't say that because we are we are terrified for good reasons about what that could mean to people and how that could be interpreted and how it could be weaponized but i think that i want a name that it's not just a one percent because i think so often for people that are not quite the one percent but you know comfortable wealthy. There's a deflection maneuver that we take at where we say. This is a conversation not about me. It's about that person. I know who's a little who's adjacent to me and a little wealthier but i think this is about us and our communities have been constructed in ways. That assume that we're kind of in that second twenty-fifth percents i'm making up numbers. But they assume a level of wealth and we could go to like. How are we could go to wear. Synagogues are located and where they're not located we could talk about. Why flight connector that we could. There's a million ways in which this has all been embedded in our jewish communities. And so i guess i'd ask you as an outsider to that second to twenty percent for you like you're in the one percent like how would you apply some of this to that next bracket of jewish wealth. I so appreciate that question part of why it's important. I think to me that. I get to make this work that i get to talk in my art and in my other endeavors about these topics around class in silence is because i am the extreme right. So i'll bet part of my what makes it. I think interesting. Potentially hopefully for me to engage. Because i'm from the heart of the class action that is generally the most silent about these topics but also hopefully what i hope happens is by me opening up this discourse from the extreme position of being from a jewish on percent. Hopefully it also starts to open up the. Let's say two to twenty five percent that's the bracket works using today and i will say this is a funniest response to you. What comes up for me in college. I dated a bunch of guys like you who were from that bracket who had gone to a day school or private school one of the first blueprints i had in college he was a jew and he was from a comfortable family within the bracket that you're describing and hugh really loved citing me as the wealthy one in relationship and i remember some very comical moments like him giving me a speech about that in a rather righteous kind of way at the end of that speech me saying you know where your family going for winter break. And he would say. We're skiing in zurich to write clearly. Yes was there a difference between his class. Crackdown in mind absolutely undeniable. I'm not in any way trying to pretend otherwise but the idea that someone who goes to harvard and does not be financial assistance and is heading zurich to ski for family vacation. Time the idea that for him. My experience is deeply removed from his. That's a fantasy a fantasy. It's an understandable one. But i think your points important this silence in our particular tribe around wealth around the details of that wealth around the fact that we have done disproportionately well in capitalism It doesn't just sit squarely in my community in those who grew up with the most. Actually there's a people are interested in this topic. There's a few books that. I'm sure i'll be talking about today but one that that really started. This journey for me is called capitalism in the jews by jerry muller and he talks about this this theory which i think is really interesting. That anti-semitism one way to look at it is that it is really about the community's relationship that not the jewish community but a non jewish communities relationship to capitalism because jews have been so kind of on congealed pressed against this idea of capitalism until kind of synonymous with it that is capitalism sort of wanes in dozen in terms of its popularity anti-semitism rises in all. I think it's a really interesting perspective on anti-semitism and if he's right it helps to under us to understand why folks in the to twenty. Five percent are as hesitant as the one percent right because that conflation of our community with capitalism means that owning capitalism whether it's fair or not. It's our choice. It's the thing that we'd been sort of assigned to that means that waiting into those waters becomes really tricky especially in a political mom or capitalism is less popular or is deemed more destructive because we are sort of completed with that phenomena. One thing to point out. I think this is what we're saying. But that in that two to twenty five percent. I i think we would point out like that's not we're not talking about their. That's the top twenty five percent of jews. I think we're talking about that. The majority of jews in america are in the twenty five percent of people in america in terms of wealth. That now. that doesn't mean that we should not talk about the jews and there are many who are not in the top twenty five percent but at least for the the very very many jews who are in the top twenty five percent. The question is what would change if they started to think of themselves as essentially pretty wealthy the world in which we spend most of our time in synagogue. Kind of praying to god to help us out. We can't we're we're such the victims of other people's and of nature and all that it it it seems wrong. It feels wrong to me it. It doesn't inspire me as opposed to a service where we might say you know. How could we step up to the responsibility. That we used to imagine that god had so i i wonder about a potential way of reimagining jewish life in jewish rituals where we kind of understand and i've said this many times on the podcast that the character in our stories that we ought to think of ourselves as living in the world of. I want to be careful not to say too much here. I'm not saying that we're god or that. We're like god. But i'm saying that the character in our stories who's the powerful one who's being asked by other people to think about the impact of their own actions that's god and so if we failed to think about god in our stories as somehow relevant to us and we can only identify with the poor victims. Then it feels like our judaism becomes dysfunctional and that sort of part one and then and then partout is really you know and then what are. The warping effects of that in terms of how people are living. You know as you see it right. I mean like i i in other words that thinking about some of your your art and your your film work it makes me think about how the the natural is to kind of start acting like the wealthy folks but not acknowledged that to yourself or others and nevertheless to continue to go through your jewish ritual life in a way that seems increasingly disconnected from anything that matters to the way that you conduct your life but nevertheless you still feel good about it because you're not breaking the chain of tradition or something along those lines. I wanna take that question and mary it first of all. Let's just take one tiny aspect. Jewish ritual. Like which. I happen to know that you and i are both interested. In which is the idea refusing right welcoming the stranger. Think about the amazing shift. That happens if you're welcoming the stranger from an identity of a poor victim verses you're welcoming the stranger from having identity of luck and trim which that's different stranger no right and how you think about the job of welcoming changes dramatically as well if you are coming from a place of understanding owning that you have power that you have privileged that you have things that are very lucky right. so that's just one tiny component of jewish life but think about the ripple effect if that really changes in the way. I think the kind of limp deadening sort of result that you're describing jewish ritual life where we only identify from this place. I think it has so much to do with What mainstream jewish institutions consider frustrating levels of sort of younger disaffection. Why would you want to. I remember years and years ago I'm no longer involved very much at all in the jewish world. But i was for many years. I remember i used to sit behind one way. Glass and watch young jews on be sort of interviewed in these think-tank groups about why it mattered. To be you and in a lot of those rooms they're kind of like a board pause and then someone in a very obligatory kind of voice would say. The holocaust always had that intone h like like the question. The holocaust like i guess you know when we reduce jewishness when we reduced jewish life shirley to our victimhood there is real contemporary data to support that. I am in no way denying. The anti-semitism is real and on the rise and it scares me absolutely. But i don't want my jewish practice to be dictated solely by the people who despise us in the same way that i don't want our discourse about ourselves including matters of class to be dictated by the people who hate us you. Frankly i'm not willing to give them that power. I don't want it to overwhelm my ritual. life. I don't want to overwhelm our public discourse about ourselves which when we say when someone says even the phrase the jewish one percent is anti-semitic would i hear them saying is they want jewish life or even if they don't want they are prepared to accept a jewish life that is predominantly dictated by the people who dislike us the most. That's unacceptable to me. So i'd love to talk a little bit about your heart. I watched a number of the short films that you've created and provocative that's a good word to use for them and arts arts a fascinating thing right because i think in certain ways with like this that are challenging issues like wealth and she was like jewish wealth. There's a way in which creating a film about it in some ways feels like easier and softer than like broadcasting an article with the title jewish one percent on one level on another level watching some of your short films. It's like really stark. And you see statically. Kind of wealth and associations with jewishness watched one of them where one after the other you have. Characters named kohen and levi unlike all of the most traditionally associated jewish names. And they're all in this ornate ballroom with lots and lots of lake villa l- signifier of wealth. You know even though. I like get the argument. You're making the point you're making. It's like ooh a part of me is like squirming around. Is this right. is this comfortable. Oh that's different use of comfortable like this okay. So i'd love to hear like the director's cut a little bit. Like what were you doing with these short films. I mean since many of our listeners haven't watched all of them if you could describe them a little put them in our show notes on the website so people can watch them but like what were you looking to do with those and to the extent you have thoughts on this like what can art do on issues conversations of jewish wealth that like focus groups articles. Words can't necessarily do so. I'll start by a little of a description so the pieces that you watched are from my series called bounty which explores the political psychological complexities of american jewish wealth. And one of the really primal kind of ideas in that series started animating idea. Is this idea of american jewish wealth really as a dedicated form of lost drag. You know that is very much esthetically and culturally true of my experience growing up in jewish wealth and in order to kind of mirror bat in film ick way the way i create these pieces that you've watched very short there between like one in five minutes long generally is i as sort of scouring film history for depictions of dynastic family wealth which are almost never jewish in cinematic history despite the fact that cinema itself is very much an invention of wealthy jewish families. That's another topic for perhaps another day but using animation and voice actors and editing technics reconfigure these stories into one's about jewish wealth so to give an example. I'm one of the pieces i sent. You is called the age of less quits and it is my swore minute. Version of martin scorsese's age of innocence. And it's also very much bow a kind of miserable family dynamic that is combined with tremendous wealth and power. Because that's attention that i'm really interested in. I think our cultural understanding about well. How wealth connects your doesn't connect to happiness is really misguided you know in my experience wealth has everything to do with comfort. Physical comfort has everything to do with power and nothing to do with happiness. So there's a really interesting tension right now in jewish cultural production that i am waiting in two in a major way which connects to our earlier discussion about lampy so in the nineteen ninety s. I'm sure a lot of your listeners. Know this the continuity narrative narrative really takes over in jewish institutional life and i define the continuity narrative as sort of trying to get war jews to have sex with other jews to make new juice. Right that's really what it is. It's a euphemism for more more juice. Police right so when that kind of takes over in the nineteen nineties as you can imagine. It has huge implications for philanthropy and the brilliant and wonderful cohen. Berman was just on your show whose new book the american jewish on top of complex. Everyone should read. It is so good She talks about this right as flannery really shifts from his idea of helping jews with their basic needs jewish immigrants and refugees food and shelter etc to becoming about trying to shift. How we internally feel about jewishness right because of this terror of sort of intermarriage and birth rates meaning that we're not going to continue as a tribe when that happens as you can imagine the implications for jewish cultural production or huge if we are now solely almost solely focused on trying to get as many jews as possible and creating endeavors that really allow for that to happen. Any cultural production that pushes back on jewish norms or has critical content about jewish life or has things to save that are neither about our victimhood or about our success. Those are the two poles of kind of acceptable public jewish content and cultural production. Anything in between those polls feels dangerous. Because it's not necessarily going to lead in in clear slick ways to the kind of baby production. That a lot of these major philanthropies are really gunning for part of why i get to make critical work of jewish. Life is because i'm not dependent on funding and if i was a visual artist wanting to cover these seem topics no one would fund me. It's such a shame because you're exactly right. Artists a space where we can have these kinds of conversations. In a way that feels vivid and lived and visceral and in some ways. I think permits space for younger. Jews who are maybe more interested or connected to their identity as cultural consumers or cultural makers than they are to like a synagogue right. It gives them a pathway and so denying that pathway because our funding complex is so terrified and has so many red lines about what is culturally acceptable in jewish cultural output. It's a really big loss opportunity. I'm very aware that. If i was in a any other kind of class situation than my own i couldn't make this work impossible. And that's a very damning portrait. i would say of our giving culture that's fascinating and it's also fascinating in that. I think it's the most dysfunctional thing in the world. Meaning that the reason why people would be attracted. I think to judaism or any kind of cultures because it's alive because it's fun part of what makes it fun is that it's it pokes fun at itself. It's self critical. It's striving for something. It's saying that we haven't achieved yet if we've achieved yet then it becomes boring so a world in which like we haven't yet met our. Our potential is actually. I think something that would attract young people so if your goal is to attract young people almost by definition you need to put in that kind of tension in that element and artists would be the kind of people you'd want to recruit and i get why it's also threatening. I guess my question is what do we do about it. Because i always think about how a lot of times in the after the destruction of the second temple and the done of rabbinic judaism like i think. It's helpful to see those early rabbis. As as artists they were reshaping judaism. Judaism was the material of their art. Judaism was the paint that they were using to basically use the paints that had once painted a temple. And now they're taking the saints and they were painting a new picture which turned out to be rabbinic. Judaism it's very different and yet very similar in in many ways and if we were hoping that something like that would happen today. Well we could look back at some of those early rabbis and we could see that a lot of them were from family. Wealth you know. A lot of them were independently wealthy. A lot of them had another job. That's why we have rabbis sandal maker rabbi weaver some of the greatest rabbi. Yeah the great story in the talmud about how the very very wealthy family wealth. Rabbi gamliel goes over to the house of the of the charcoal maker rabbi joshua who is also one of the greatest rabbis and he's shocked to see that he has a charcoal maker he says. Why are you making charcoal and rabbi joshua says to him if you have to ask me a question like that you shouldn't be in charge you know basically you don't you don't understand that your faculty can't afford living based on what you're paying right and so i guess the question is as somebody who knows the world of philanthropy from the inside as well. What do you think a possible. Solution is meaning. Should we just kind of say second up the reality. Is that in a time like this. This is not a time where philanthropy is going to solve this problem. This is this is a problem that is going to be solved by people who are just so passionate that they're willing to do it as a passion and if that means they have to have another job or if that means they have to be a jewish professional you know in in the daytime. They teach bar mitzvah lessons night. They go crazy you know. Then that's that's okay too. Or is there some possibility to imagine something like a jewish medici on the one hand i would say. In general jewish be really has failed to meet this basic kind of metric of funding things that are dynamic and and push back on accepted in ones and all that stuff simultaneously. And by the way i would also say having been no longer active in the jewish landfill world but i was part of my family foundation. I sat at table for eighteen years. And i would say the you from that insider view. I do not have a ton of optimism that jewish philanthropy is going to sort of wake up and think. Oh this is actually such an important meaningful way to create real discourse with young jews who might not come in through the normal channels. you know. it's so funny right. The continuity actually cuts that all in this case content which asserts itself as a survival. I would say turns off so many juicy for so many reasons. That fear the core of that discourse and and i know you guys recently finished up your your feminists sort of a section of shows but you know any jewish idea that reduces female contribution to jewish live to ovarian output simply should not be unacceptable. It's disgusting actually. So you know for continuity to sort of overwhelm. This is so ironic and such a shame. I don't have a ton of optimism. That jewish planter b is going to wake up to sort of need an important mandate to shift that being said. I am very lucky this year to be part of the new jewish culture fellowship which comes with a small amount of funding and my funding. I donate your. I donate any funding that comes to be professionally because it simply feels totally inappropriate for me personally financially benefit. I'm there for the ideas. The community that. I'm there for all the other reasons not the money. So i donate my but that being said that is funded by federation much to my own surprise right and the members in this group myself talking about jewish. Well there's someone in this group who makes anti-zionist musical theater right. These are not traditional ideas around cultural output that you would expect to have jewish funds so why is federation funding us. Frankly real honest answer is i. Don't have a clue. My guess. And this is a very optimistic guess. Is that there some understanding that if you really want to engage my generation and younger you have to allow artists to be artists. We reach those communities. Because we're making stuff that's telling the truth even when it's hard if you're going to have a jewish life that is based on being alive and not just not dead. Those are two different categories. If you want to jewish life that is truly based on being alive alive as a community and not just not dead. You can't erase cultural output smart difficult tough cultural output. it's impossible so i hope that awareness is growing. This is obviously a tiny endeavour for federation. They probably ten grand a year on this. I wouldn't say it's a major shift but just seeing it even exists especially when places like six points and other really exciting jewish arts opportunities simply don't have funding anymore Talks about a little bit. We'll even her book haven't gotten that section yet. I'm she does a lot of these endeavors at one time. Funded have just dissolved. Because they didn't lead to jewish babies as directly or clearly as something like birthright. There is a beautiful ss. That came out this year. By maya it. A really incredible thinker and writer called cottage an unborn avant-garde that. I can't recommend enough where she really talks about. You know what we're talking about here right like where. Where did the jewish funding go for. Art is it mostly does not exist. So i'm not super optimistic that it will but this one thing obama part of has made me wonder you. Are we starting to shift a little bit. I hope so. I'm curious from your experience in the world of philanthropy. Is there a way to make the case that even if we accept your goal of continuity the best way to achieve it is through putting some space into it right meaning so so something like that. Is there a way to make the case that says. Well we accept. We can accept your goal but still nevertheless say you're really missing out by not having art not having an avant-garde but it also connects to the other question that i wanted to raise at some point. Which is the question of an. It's eluded to in your article where you talk about how folks and foundations. I think Sir think of themselves as when they're giving five percent a year which is what the law requires and really they could. They could give so much more. It reminds me of. It's trying to explain to my kids recently. About roy where i live is. There's a question on the table about changing a flat tax to a progressive tax. And they were trying to ask you. Why is that right geno. Everybody pay the same percent. You know nice head. Well i think the way to think about it is how much is left after you pay that percent and in the case of somebody like jeff bezos. Who has you know two hundred million dollars. Even though he sorry two hundred billion dollars even if he pays ten percent he still has one hundred ninety billion left. Whereas you know somebody who makes a hundred eighty billion you you you you you messed. He's got a lot of money left. You made a ten billion dollar mistake din ten billion here in there but whatever the number is he still has so much left that the fact that he gave that even though it's billions and billions of dollars didn't make much difference whereas somebody who's poor and only you know let's a has twenty thousand dollars if they give to only have eighteen thousand dollars left trying to kind of explain it to them and i think there's something more or less right but in that explanation but again it comes down to the psychology of of when you feel that you're not really so wealthy and and again there's the one percent here but then there's also that twenty five percent that i'm talking about because you know if you think about tithing how many people out there who are making a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year we're not talking about the one percent but we're talking about the twenty five percent. How many of them are really giving twenty thousand dollars a year in jared in philanthropic giving i. I don't think very many and it's because they you know you start writing the checks and you feel like i. I can't afford that and so the question is is there a way to convince everybody. I'm talking about the one percent and the twenty five percent that there's actually a moral imperative to give away that money. It doesn't belong to you. And again i go back to how you talked about your your grandfather your great grandfather and how he was rarely talked about as lucky and of course he was. You know i would read something recently about james and how he absolutely is an amazing basketball player but he is so lucky that he happens to be born in a country. That's obsessed with basketball at the time when it's most obsessed with basketball. He didn't do any of that. All he did was be really good at basketball. So sure envy born six foot eight and that born six grow today but not to take anything away from him. He's great at basketball but he is so lucky. That basketball is something that people are willing to pay for it. And that's true of jeff bezos. Everybody who has any success whether it's the greatest successor moderate success. There's so much luck involved. In therefore i understand my understanding of the idea of tithing and sacrifice is fundamentally to say. None of it belongs to me. I'm lucky that i get any of this. And all god is asking of me is to give ten percent of it away. The question is do you have a sense of how to reframe the way that people think about this at every level. Well here's why. I by no means am trying to take a big poop on your optimism. I love optimism. I believe it optimism. I would optimistic person. But i'll tell you why i'm suspicious about this working. Currently why i left the sector. I left for a lot of reasons But but one of them is you know there was a really big push for this when i was in my early twenties To sort of advance the argument the you just put forth. Which is you know if you really care about continuity if you really care about younger jews being engaged in a way that feels alive and personal and deep to them. Culture is the way to do that. We saw a ton of funded endeavor. Start from that narrative shift. We saw things like six points fellowship. Just no longer with us of blessed memory. We saw things like he magazine. It didn't work and not saying it didn't work to engage jews in fact a lot of the jewish cultural of makers and consider my peers. We reference that stuff all the time it mattered to us. But the sort of sheldon adelson model for lack of a better phrase right Which is like no no forget all of that. What really matters is jews who agree with my politics having sex with other jews who feel the same way in making new jews together that just one out so we've tried this in the film profit sector. I thought it produced great stuff in amongst my peers. We deeply cared about that stuff. But frankly just wasn't as satisfying to those funders. As hearing x number of people met on this birthright trip they made love and now x number of jewish babies exists who didn't exist before that's a much more tangible easy kind of You can put your hands around it. And i also think it's important to say on because we've we've touched on here a little bit but if you're really going to open the doors for funding jewish cultural production that is honest and tough about where jews my age and younger are. You're gonna get sentiment about israel at the film. Profit sector cannot enroll not accept the truth so in less that ceases to be a red line. Good luck and i have not seen any signal that is going to cease to me a red line anytime soon. And for cultural makers like myself when that red line is in the room. We no longer want to be in the room. Even if we don't agree with the person who saying anti-zionist things we want to jewish life where everyone gets to speak and say what is true for them you know. I spend a lot of years in that sector. And i'm not like lila corwin berman. I'm not a historian. I'm not an academic. But what i am. Something of an expert on is what it feels like to sit at one of those board tables for two days of meetings and make a decision as a family with staff in the room as well in my experience about where the money's going to go and how much of it we're going to give away and you know i have no interest in telling on my family members. I love them. But i'm more than happy to tell on myself. And this is what. I'll tell you about me and that see. I was so seduced by ego games so seduced. Imagine sitting with your relatives at a big long board table. I talked about this in. The essay communicates and importance right. I i said at that table when i was fifteen. Imagine being fifteen years old and you're sitting at the equivalent of king arthur's table and the some of the most important incredible thinkers on the topics. Your family cares about or coming into this room and not only giving you the enormous benefit of their wisdom their knowledge but they are telling you for hours upon hours at a time about how fabulous you are an all the wonderful things you're funding wouldn't exist without you and that really fundamentally the country would be worse off. If it wasn't for your family this might feel like it doesn't relate to your question but here's how does. Why should that sector change. Where does the impetus come from. You know what's really interesting about the film profit conferences that i used to attend the board meetings that i used to go to is that they copy huge parts of what i would call professional ritual. You wear a nice outfit. You sit at a table. You've got a computer in front of you're taking notes. You're listening to speakers. You're brainstorming ideas. All of that kind of mirrors traditional professional space with the really meaningful exception. That no one ever tells you you're doing a bad job about anything so when you're talking about these changes that you hope for and i hope for as well you know. It's hard to be optimistic about them in the philanthropic sector because i know how complete and effortless that seduction is. I left the sector. Because i can't handle it. I remember this so well. I would be like hi. You've just saved the everyone told you you did. You know i really don was raised. My hand to say yes to the docket are very diligent and brilliant staff at actually produced and worked on for months but the optics of the rule made it feel like myself and my relatives were the ones who admitted happen which is entirely untrue and walk out on the tenth avenue and i would think wow thank god. Our family exists so embarrassing mortifying typical sector. So you know it's just. It's like moving an enormous boulder with no self reflection if the boulder doesn't know it's a boulder wanna look at itself as a boulder. It's hard that sector is just losing with self-congratulation all of these components come together to create a sector. That i think is really hard to move and really has a culture of non reflection close really open floor other any directions. That we haven't quite touchdown that you want to revisit. What are some last thoughts for us. As we head after whatever's next what should we leave this episode thinking about when it comes to do his philanthropy the jewish world. More broadly end. You know the broader will be introduced to question. I get a fair amount. Is you know why even talk about jews separately in this way because the hotel products space has this is by no means particular to jews at all. I think the thing that makes both jewish wealth and jewish philosophy flan therapy singular in a way that is potentially really interesting is about that combination of victimhood empower. You if you come from a major giving on piscopo alien family i'm guessing. Victimhood is not a big part of your narratives right. It's been a long time since christians were in trouble in that fundamental way real on time. So it's no longer sort of a part of how you think about yourselves. Skippers for juice. It is absolutely a center of how we think about ourselves as giving as givers in the philanthropic space and that righteous chosen miss. This is obviously a very particular definition of chosen. This that i'm employing for this argument you know that is what denies the opportunity in the mandate for serious self analysis as a sector. Because why would you need that when you are clearly the good guy. And what makes you the good guy because you've historically and currently also are in trouble right. It makes so much sense. It's so logical emotional sense. Unfortunately it has ramifacations that are really troubling and potentially harmful right and holding all of that simultaneously can be challenging and also who wants you given the choice as lantis or is a jew. It's totally understandable that we tend to think we're comfortably. I'm the one who's been victimized as opposed to. I'm the one who's sitting in a see that could potentially victimize others because of systemic equity. That's a tougher thought. It's not as satisfying so i. You know you. You cited anger Critique of of the space. I think part of what makes lila's such force and hopefully also i hope what makes my pieces at times resonate because is that both sets of work acknowledged jewish suffering care about jewish suffering But then moved past back toward what we want for jewish life right and anything that doesn't acknowledge jewish suffering is personally think is dead in the water because it's you're asking people to deny a huge part of their identity. Neither history in their their current. Reality i will say you know. I don't know if you guys are familiar with her work. But do you know anything about who miata recommend her for you guys because i gave a talk with her this year. She is one of the world's first ultra-orthodox female tenured academics and her specialty is haredi poverty so we gave a talk where i should my work about american jewish well. She shared her work about haredi poverty. And what was fascinating. The through line that we really saw in our presentations is that both communities exist and and move under an assumption of exceptionalism specialness. So it's not only tethered to the very wealthy these. These narratives around being exceptional actually have harmful outcomes across class. Realities in the jewish world. You know what unraveling chosen this. I think in a lot of ways is going to be one of essential questions for my generation than younger. What does that mean when we are sitting on so much power and access as american jews in this time. And how do we live with that. And cope alongside rising anti-semitism. That's going to be a major point of sort of focus as we move forward. Thank you so much really excited to open this up further in the future. And thanks for what you brought today. Thank you so much for having me guys really appreciate it and thanks so much to all of you out there for listening. 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Tommy's Corner Salih Episode pt. 1

The David Banner Podcast

19:49 min | 9 months ago

Tommy's Corner Salih Episode pt. 1

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Fire TV Roku and streaming twenty, four, seven, and on demand and business bully. To once forgives is David Banner from David Pot. David David Dave Dave Dave Dave. Dave Dave Dave Dave Dave David Banner they. Doing Solly Robinson and welcome the Tommy's corner. So where you from from Youngstown Ohio, a graphic description of how was growing up in town, scrappy fissure going? Pitcher. Moshood movies like your moshood. Gang affiliated type movie. Death or if you like to sing boys in the hood sober. Take the gang stuff out. 'cause gangs ain't heavy like that world. But like you know your typical boys in the Hood Minister Society Week. As, no! You know what I'm saying. Town were from. It's like A. Like a mark sitting. In between. In between? There was a meeting place for the bosses between New York and Chicago so, Bob influencing real heavier. Took over the industrial town had the steal meals and things like that once that closed down and auto steel mills close in drugs, getting there just kind of. Took a turn for the worst. You know what I mean is grabbed family structure. I'm the youngest. Four boys are so get three sisters do my father had with his first wife so for me? I'm the youngest. Kinda grew up quick just because I was running behind them trying to do everything my. Yet grew up kind of quick. You know what I mean just because simple fact I was trying to do what they was doing is vanish Lou. Do you know what I mean, but was real heavy into sports and was good at ball and everything. But Family structure like I had my father was there and I also have my stepfather to played a big role in my life as well so you know. I kind of had the best of both worlds with dead, then also had said three brothers so I was I wasn't lacking far like a male. Life at all. And they me and my mother was super tight, so you're kind of on that since I had it all like very fortunate for that. Music affect your life growing up. Music everything you know what I mean. I started early like my father used to have a budget CDs and records down in the basement, so when I was a key, our just go down there, and just look at the album covers the CDs, and just like face to draw a lot, so whatever album coverage is looked interesting. Our pick it up and play just. Kind of started listening to short early because he had the one one of his early CDs, I think like short dog in a house. Something like that, but he got the had the dogs. Andrew would auto cars and stuff on the cover. And then I looked at that and I guess last I started listening to short so young, but it was I. didn't know what I was listening to is just the cover of it. And then went from there, and I just really got an abuse. It because I. Just that's what I just stayed down in that room in the basement, just listening to stuff into my brothers and they will forget. My mom took my brother's NWEA CD. So I always wonder why. She took it away from him, and I didn't know why, and then they didn't want 'em listening to it, and of course that made me WanNa listen to more and then it just kind of went from there. What's the age gap between you and your next oldest brother? Eight nine years, almost nine years did have an older siblings influence the type of music. You listen to now definitely 'cause you gotta think. Most kids finally got into music. And you figure even you know by the time I was in high school. You Know Ninety nine two thousand type of thing I have been listening to light gangsta rap because that was not rap dominated early so like West Coast Gangsta rap like New York rap right there, hardcore like. That played A. Big Influence. That's the I gotta hold up like like I said too short. Burs Snoop doggy style like that was that was that was another one to cover could be drawing on the cover, and it was like no. That's ninety two. Sandon six. Maybe something like that, and that's the stuff I listen to early. Really shouldn't have been with our on it. You seem like an also some of your music selection with that statement. Be Accurate. All. I listen to like old school several. How plays Curtis Mayfield Isaac? Like I say that was CD. That's my father had in the basement. You know what I mean for. Those are things I listened to being with him. That's where he played, and I listened to his way, or like and I just feel like. That type of music and it made it also because of Gangsta rap. You know like snooping to music. Was There G funk sound? So it had a lot of samples from no stuff and it made me want to go back. And you know want to go listen to that music. You know what I mean. And, so it's like really almost feel like I should have been born back in that town to tell you the truth like I feel like. I was really supposed to be the age I. Ask like I should have been this age seventy with like a big ass. Laugh. You know what I'm saying. Tell us about the violence in Youngstown during those days I'll you too early like I mean auto? We always had like I never went bars one. If not two, but you still you were in the trenches, though like I mean you learn at an early age. You Hear Shooting Leo ass on the ground. You know what I'm saying. It could be random you watching TV and you hear them shots. You knew the lay down from. You know five years old. You know. Get on the floor. Where you heard shots was very violent. You will see stuff going all come home from school like youngstown is really the trenches like it's bad, really bad. Many people that you literally no of on. I am basis. that were affected by violence over those years. Easily, say twenty, five thirty without even like even get a true count like that's just. That's being light on it. You know what I mean. 'cause. I can just count the number of encounters, hell I probably got ten on my own, and immediately affected me personally just like immediate family like you talking no further in first cousins from from inside miles with my brother and uncles and span out. I mean I'm talking about immediately. From my dad's two brothers, my brother I two first cousins Neth like is is been right there in my face. If you don't mind talk to us a little bit about your brother hours, your relationship, which are deceased brother and briefly touch up on how it all went down and how it affected. So far breath like he was older, so we all want to be like him. He was a flyway. Had the cause and jewelry Shit had everything not when you look at it like she, that's it. You know what I mean like He. He was doing his. Thank you know I mean. At the time you know, I'm younger. He was twenty seven when he got killed. So about mind always thought he was old until I turned twenty seven realize damn dot youngest sheet. You know what I'm saying like I didn't really think about it because I was younger to realize how young twenty seven was passed and it was just like. But that was the guy we wanted to be. Like man was just man you saw him, and that's when I would walk from school and he can get the car wash with his car, isn't it was like I was like oh? That's my brother right there. You see his car. Everybody like Dan Lee's brother car. Whatever like that? was, happy to tell somebody you know what I mean. He was just that's why I wanted to be like. It was like everything about it like the way dressed away handled itself. And when it happened, it was like man. I still remember. Yesterday to a team. Bro. Our. When I was eleven. So it was like. I was eleven. When at. Everything I'm GONNA entire night next morning? I found out. I remember when my mom left the house at night to go to the hospital. I didn't know Washington House latest sale. Sitting playing video games. I seen a Russian to lead. And I remember saying like I was teasing my little step brother and I said she left the house like somebody got shot or something just being silly. Just be a bad just saying something. She didn't say why she was leaving. She just left. I just remember saying to him next morning back. They didn't wake me up or say anything that night and the next morning I just remember coming downstairs and telling me. Sh-. What did land become to you for me? It was like Atlanta was the spot where I could. While I personally feel like I can live about what the life I wanted to live. Because I ain't GONNA lie. I love Youngstown but anybody. That's from there or is there. They know what type of charities man in Atlanta. Game me that. To see the things I really wanted to see you know what I mean to see. Black people doing it big on on a big homes, driving nice cars, and it wasn't audio illegal way we're on from. You is one or two. Somebody has some Nice Day that work. Did you so don't you just what it is? Like You know what I mean, or both you know what I'm saying. They only do both and there was like. That was your option slide knew that, wasn't it? So like I had to go like always had in my mind I was leaving. You know what I mean much as I love the city, but and then when I started coming to Atlanta when I was know. GonNa, come down like I would always see those stuff. When I came down new I was coming here. When Dow my mind, tell us about what happened prior to a trip from Ohio to Atlanta is when I was about to Gary lead down here so I'm sitting like I was. I had been rocking and forth. You know how like what you say, you bite the mood. It's like I'm a waste. I get x amount of money. Put Away. I got this much money then leaving leaving, so they're finally I would just like I was there Rick Ross? For to Miami came out. It's I'm just sitting there. Listening to that our just listening to that album I was sitting outside me. Fuck this I'm out like I'm leaving this weekend type of things I went. Agitate got another cutlass I got t top cutlass, saying it was a eighty five blue full. Floor Audit. That shit was hard. Bucket seats I. Go get some music. Put in there and I'm like I got my music. Put in here about to go ahead and just ridell got everything up on the slide. And the night before I was about to leave. I got the music maybe a day two days before. I went packed up. My stuff was leave. I come out next morning. All Dale Big Asshole. Quixote knocked out today of. So that went to go. Put the key in see. I knew it was all. Off Music stolen car everything but our so like I was hailed. Ban On like I. Staying even gave me more allows me I'm definitely out now. I still do my stuff in the car and rode out. Bitch, no music, no night just like I'm out like I. Never looked back after that you big on fitness. Talk about your journey and tell us about the old, sadly through him away. You. Know. This is. Not like I play boss, I played D. tackle. I was always a big. Do you know what I mean? Mine? I thought I was. I thought I was. Should you know in that vein of this move big? Do you know? But always enjoyed lifting weights I just didn't know the other the other side of it you know eating died incorrectly and things of that nature, but far is lifted always enjoyed astronaut play ball always wanted to be a strongest dudes out there, so that was something. I just enjoy period. That I remember came down here so. I might have been out. Oh, I'll never forget working body doing security since I moved down here. And then my boy was like damn leads. You put also weight and just had on. That's what big closed is still. MIGHT NOT SHIRT JUST BE? You was like yeah. That's a big shirt which is still put out a few pounds, but he was like. It's cool, though you just a big negative, so it's all good. It was like something about that just did sit right we. Hail, do so I started going to the Joe. And like I was already lifted, but that's started to took out my dad. I didn't really know what I was doing. Eat well. That's Great I. Still Go lift all the time. And then it was afraid of my uncles who used to train at the goes. Jim Is Name Leary Lockhart. And He's to train at the gym. He's like damn you gotTA. Teach you how to eat like you can get in the game. Man I used to black man heart. I seems like you could work out with me. Mas Man I ain't got no way to pay trae like he was like Nah just coming forward in the morning. 'cause you stronger though you could actually work out when I work out, but you gotta come forward in the morning I was like half dead. Going into house kicking it at four in the morning, so it was no way inhale allow is going to do that. And finally he was, he kept be kept asking me and then via ask art. How come meet you at four in the morning, then Shit. That point it was like he got me on the right food and time you the whole game about it, and it was like I never looked back after that fars being that size again. What does fashion mean to you? Got To look good. With Diaz I say. Look good feel good feel good play good or whatever the saying you say you got to. Always a shoe guy license key like I could show. Pigeons went out of the kid. I tell people all the time like you got. These people out is just now because instagram stuff. Get to see some now. They think they up. Shoes, should i. been had their been wearing. The Dope Shit the flashy whatever you saw. If a rapper had I had that shit the next day, Jay Z. drop the rockaway leathers. I went to Cleveland in the ditch like like maybe two weeks later when he had that, she don't have video Soleil. Far as the clothes shoes you know always been in like always wore jays and pippen's pennies on. It always might be. How did you start doing all of the clothing designed in the merchandise for a band vision, or started because a was me Ben Heck, cooler whatever. He saw had told him about an idea. I have during his life just stuff like leisurewear to wear the gym and stuff because I would always be working out and everything so. I told him about and I'm pretty sure people tell him thousand things. It's just you know trying to run. They mouth so when I told him about it, then actually did it have stuff to give him his show him. He was kind of impressed. You kept you really what you said he was going to do, so. He asked me to do a few things for him. And then I did he kind of appreciated the way I handled the business for him the same as if it was mine and I handed it the same way that I handle. My stuff was for him. From that point like you know I did a good job. What did he was like eyes? So what if I let you start doing that? You know all the time for me and then it just slowly belt from there. From me, proven tempted I handle it and get the job done correct and officially. Into everything that is now talk a little about the union deal in how it came in a place and talk about your design concept on the UN collaboration. So, you know. We got these. Pre Show tomorrow now you know what I mean. So allow so. Wait for drop something new for. ME. But needlessly I got. I just was thinking trying to think of something that we could do, and you know you an independent company and we do everything forest like that's what we strive and go for for independence. Fabric Black Man, so we wanted to keep it with that. And I got with Bill. gave me basically the creative control to design a shoe for our company. I went with this color way. I was trying to think of something to do to. Was You know it loud and stood out some and then I kind of wanted to do camouflage shoot. You know what I mean. So being that I wanted to do that. Axel go with the different shades of green and I had to read, and they're just to give something to pop. Got The black this'll there. Who the! On the back. You know what I mean. Always always been a gum sold fan, so I had to do the gum ozone on there. You know I thought that was real. Don't but yeah. She came my real good man. We do real well with them. They sold out and I decided I was like we were back to release them a little bit earlier around Christmas time, and then I defeated I. I was like not of would be better if we drop them in February for black history month, not in originally come out as like, say a black history. Shoot this pretty much what we do it. All the time is no around like you see us. We in this at all times, you know it ain't no like just some time thing. But knowledge to dropping black history month in February. We did that I. mean instantly they were gone like you know. We had a lot of requests to bring them back out, but you know I noticed you gave jaw quote, unquote sneaker ahead, man. You gotta get that when they dropped. What you? Might have to try stock X. or something, did you? GonNa your relationship with David Banner. And how did you move up the ring so fast? Honestly I mean. I never pressed to have no like most people come in. People come in, and you know they always want to. You know they pitch trying to sell some I. Mean I'm just always myself going to see everything I talk about. That's how I live my life like I. don't say stuff it try to put on it. So the more we were around each other. We saying where he's from Jackson is very similar to Youngstown. We just had a lot of stuff in common to begin with. Personal relationship started and then when it came to the work. Ahead of my shit, like all our dropped in the fumbling like I ain't. Nobody got time for that so I handle his stuff. The way I handle my own I. Look at his money is if it was my own, I mean. I'm GONNA make sure. That's our role like there's just me. That's how I was raised. I was brought up like you know I. Understand like the team trying to you know. Either quarterback and I'm GONNA do whatever needs to be done to make sure quarterback shine. You know what I mean so whatever you do I got him I know he gonNA. Take me we wayne. It's pretty simple. I mean we're far moving quick. It would just work ethic. I mean like the accident. Do some made sure I got it done if he needed some done. No matter what the time was sure I gotTA handle. The only way you really can't move weapon anything. If he was on the football team basketball team, you want the first thing you do is go in there and play hard defense. You Work Hard I. Did you get a chance to show with talent? You actually got, but it start with hard work I. You show the talent that you get sick when you come in. And then once I got in I was able to show another things I can bring to the table.

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Lubed Up Skin with Whitney Cummings

Glowing Up

1:10:51 hr | 4 months ago

Lubed Up Skin with Whitney Cummings

"Introducing built to last a new podcast by american express. I'm elaine well trough. And i'm excited to host debut season where we will be deep diving into the stories history and continued legacy of small businesses. That shape american culture through these important conversations will hear how the black business leaders are. Pass have inspired. Today's black owned small businesses and communities. Join us for the debut season of built to last on spotify apple youtube or wherever you get your favorite podcast Okay everyone welcome to crazy to be episode of going up. We're going to get right to it. We do for forty five minutes. Or should i just leave we can. He said that you can tell the people that are already listening to your podcast listener. Podcasts subscribe but just fan i. That's another podcast. Look esther as eight podcasts. It's it's all good. It's we jump right in. We don't have announcements On the show the one. The only low whitney cummings knowing what whitney beauty are being here. Here's a lodging. I have not shared by skincare routine with anyone. Turn off your notifications carolina. Esther that's her. That's carolina whitney off minor rocks. It's one of we might never figure it out. I have not shared my skin care routine with any one. I tried to make a youtube video a couple of times. And i my perfectionism took over and i felt like it was elitist because one of the Oils was like forty dollars and then it was too many oil. so do you want to have the exclusive. Is that what we do on this show. We would love it off. Act that all of airlines his working in the background. It's really frustrating. I can her stressed out by my by my room by my hair with the famed. Your i your parents spaces beautiful. It's just. I don't know why anyone would let me so asymmetrical but i'm a big fan of wabi sabi. It's japanese word that says when something imperfect exactly actually more beautiful when something is broken they build it. They put it back together with gold because Something that's been broken is actually valuable than something that it hasn't so that all is that all three of us wabi sabi is rustic. It's resurrected would its nine earn shine as again until year her. But but yeah. So that's why we're we can be messy. We can kind of be best. We can be no astor's sloppy. i'm talking. Oddly sabi which is about minimalism and honor. Things that are extensively thought up is flaws. So what do you want to know about. This gotten whitney told did this a million times. You're the oj of skin care like literally in nineteen ninety four in the hallways of the comedy store. Maybe it was two thousand nine still. Og i saw you greasy dripping in oil on your face before the skin-care movement before youtube like literally to the point where the boys were making fun of you like. Why is you dipped in oil. Why is she your face so wet in her vagina so dry. So here's what i'll say. I'm going to be real like sustained in clear. Because sometimes when people do their beauty routine. And then i just use these things in. It's like it's very chaotic. And it's very instinctive. And the way that i think about skin. I learned this early. Because i grew up around horses and i had to oil. Saddles was like the chore that my aunt gave me and i learned a lot about how to preserve leather her. So think about your skin like a piece of expensive leather and expensive purse. Expensive shampoo whatever it is. What are you going to do to make sure that leather does not dry out or wrinkle or deteriorate. You're gonna keep it out of the sun you're gonna never you're to keep as little water on it as possible for little amount of time right and you're going to keep it oiled up at all times so for me. I just i just learned like your skin is like leather. That's how you need to treat. It should never be dry. It should never be in the sun it should never be Without some kind of moisture on top of it right so i have in every part of my house some oil. At all times. I wake up the middle of the night when ip night. I've oil there. And i re- oil in the middle of the night like it's a tick it's psychotic fine turkomen crazy. Love that I am to it constantly. it's in my I have rollers droppers in my closet. I have. I just have them everywhere. All the time sunscreen on the hands all the time in the car at stop lights. Were stunned screening. I wear gloves in the car. Sometimes when i drive So much of the sun exposure we get in the car on our hands and this side of our face when we try which is why we have more crows feet here And it's like a system you just have to make a habit you know it's like you know we. All have addiction is to get healthy addictions make them healthy addiction so instead of hitting the ball four times a day oil around your is four times a day. You know you also have to not give a. It's also tricky because right now. We're kobe and touching her face weird and you know and but what you've got your parole you've got your advertisement parallel hands. You should be oiling. Your face it is never not shiny care. If people think i'm look shiny weird people always sought got a ton hunk of plastic surgery. I'll tell you everything i've done in a minute. I have done thera I did cool laser. I do filler on this side of my nose. I did botox here when i was twenty. Five because i was told to buy network it just me. I actually think at this point. Wrinkles are fine of youth. Yeah so if you need to do a little bit here are like here. I like to have these. You know like. I like these And i like these but if you do here sometimes it fucks up. It's like oh. I'm not anti work am not wireless y you want your It's expensive but if you want to get in shape you go to the gym. What what's the different. What's the difference surveys like. Why just shame anybody for whatever they need to do. As long as it's for them your hopefully you're not acting in place of dismore fiat like. I don't think you should decide what happens But i'd have dental. Faira talked about that with libya mon on the podcast and then with allison brie we talked about bo talks like ding ding ding cure. Which i did like three years ago. And then kinda fades. And then i kinda like it is i. I like these lines right here at like these lines. But i also have a lot of really. I remember when i was in the show on the show. Whitney critically acclaimed That in the room. Because i was always so conscious that my mom worked at neiman. Marcus npr so she would get samples. And we love perry. And we had charles of the ritz and we handle income. And we all the creams and it was all about creams. Like those were my toys as kids. I didn't have toys green creams province products products. And when she went to bat. I would like put them on and put it on my lips and it was obsessed and I'm saying that because it is beautiful. And i can't stop staring at your unbelievable skin. I mean i'm in the light. I know how to let myself. But what was i just saying. Oh alison brie products on. When you're on the show whitney resolution with me. Oh yeah your show. Any i always said. Don't make me laugh. 'cause i don't wanna get lifelines all it's sad and then i realize it's not. It's not sad. I've been conscious on for a long time. I never smoked. Because i didn't want to get these. I never drank from straw. Which i do now glass job because they don't wanna go through slip all. I was very conscious of this young age. Because i had a mom that was conscious of that because the generation before us they're they're beauty was their currency you know and So but then. I realized that the craziest thing you can do. In a writer's room of comics is say. Don't make me laugh like don't do your job and then going on. I'm sorry that was crazy. So i didn't like it wasn't a rule for a long period of time but dan lee can attest when because i had the funniest writers in the world and that i would just go look i would love. Oh my guy but it's like it is true you know also when i apply my products always up. We never go down. We never go down. People put on their scream. Like this and i'm like it drives me nuts. When people in their makeup and circles you're dragging your skin down redoing up up only only blush only up cream only up oil only up only up only up. I'm taking notes right now when you listen back to this and then when you sleep most people product on the face. They don't sleep and they put their face on a pillow and then all their product himself on their pillow. This was my next question. I i still like you'll know about sleep case only i sleep with I don't have the ivory phones or some kind of headphones. So that you're sleeping up in your product is not being wiped off. I sleep like a fucking Course i said this about you on this podcast like three times. Now i like whitney cummings famously. Sleeps with headphones. So her product doesn't round up to p. There's an oil by the toilet paper and i'm being. I'm putting 'em re-applying three in the morning. Can i ask a personal question. What is what's your skin type early. Believe in that because a lot of its genetic. I was also on accutane twice. So i'm there's i think that we love that like my skin. Type is kind of false sense of control right. Your skin type is very much how you treat it. It's like saying like oh that breed of dog attacks people on it's like well nature and nurture and try you know what i mean like all that like i have good. That's that's been pathologist. Ice skin's oily. Because i make it oily but also it took me a long time to learn this in a lot of really smart dermatologists to explain to me is like we associate the same way. We associate fat with being fat by eat. Fattening foods. i'm gonna get fat. that's not true. For fifteen years. I was eating fat free snack wells which was just like all cooke's like like all sugar like avocados. Don't make you fat units the sugar or whatever. So all doesn't make you oily so i had such bad acne as a teenager cystic. Acne statistics stick and sealer salicylic acid squeeze and just like the sky cycle is so vicious. Been there from all of it all and then knife pretending. I was sick to not go to school. That taking on accutane the flaking off. I mean it was just like you know when people say the skin care like superficial and then like what. California unlike elitist. It's like your. This is the first thing you say to. Someone uses your self esteem. This is your presenting your teeth in your face. I'm sorry human nature is sexist and superficial and went to tell you if i have zipped here even if you can't see it it's all fucking thinking about its we are wired that way and also we are wired to be obsessed with it because you know in tribal time that was infection were wired to get the infection ejected out of our bodies so when i see is at another person i'm like oh god i gotta get it to begin to get it again and they just needed So that is We actually made a movie about this. About how the picking we actually wired to get serotonin from it mentioned race here. That king of skin care. I know we need to get benton automatically. Shout to your movie. The female brain which is so good and excellent. People are watching it. Now i'm like. Oh god should now. It's getting big and sorry. The thing is with the oil is putting oil on. Your skin does not make your skin if you have oily skin. It doesn't mean you can't put oil on your skin. A lot of people wanna do these like oil free foundations which is just going to actually A trains your All what are they call. Not ducks glare glands. Actually they produce less oil so i stopped getting acne. The more i do acting twice. So if there's any doctors are dermatologists scientists watching the show feel free to Debunk me Which is that. After that i oiled my face constantly in it stopped producing so much oil. Didn't have to. It's a huge thing when you have acne to you. Don't wanna moisturizer that you wanna keep you think that you want your skin to be dry as possible. but that's like very important for people with acne moisture. Is it makes your acne so much better when you use the right moisturizer deem oil patients cord topical cortisone prescription cortisone cream. It's two percent when i'm like it's something like it's your wedding day or fucking engagement party or whatever there's also cortisone shots which i recommend if it's your wedding day or your big presentation or a statistic thing that's going to distract you but over time cortisone is actually not good for you and if someone does it wrong you can actually get an invitation which has happened many times saying so. Do it like when you have to do it. Really early. In the pimple life cycle. If you do it too late you get the scar. I'd like a really deep when coming up right here and it's just like i'm just gonna let it do its thing it's not noticeable in. Yeah of course. Yeah where do we stand on. Are you in the zits sticker pimple patch universe known alison breaches told me. She swears by those i. Don't this is fucked up also on birth control. I don't really get. I mean the masks. Like i thought i was getting Acne from the mass. I don't really breakout anymore. i do. I don't have my period. Because his birth control. But i started getting it hormone leo my chin and since we're now zooming and stuff no one can see anything and you have a mask cover it like. I think that we're just in this like for the next six months. We kind of have a pass like reset your. I'm just trying to like not wear makeup all day. I'm trying to like. I'll do like for zuma this. I'll do like lip. Liner blushed. I but nothing on my skin. Skin except sunscreen or tinted sunscreen. Shin question. i'm getting. I'm like okay. I wanna be anti ag a little bit and get serious about it. Where do you stand on retinol. You know. I mean. Benson swears by personally. Because i've put my skin through so much trauma with tanning beds. It's going to be specific to everybody. Everybody's skin is different. It's like saying where do you stand on red wine. It's like some people gotta hang over. Some people have had eggs. Some people won't some people get addicted. Some people don't it's just like there's no you can't throw a blanket statement about what works for to be clear. If whitney cummings says she likes red wine i will start drinking it. So let's just also live in. That reality had a fair. Share that in utero. I have done so much damage to my skin. whether it's like eating disorders dehydrating myself sun damage. I did tanning beds. I mean i used to do like twice a day. Tanning beds skin poisoning. I like when i came out. to ucla and a summer theater program parameters like seventeen. I had Voyles on a hands from. Because i would drive every day Going home from school in washington. Dc and at every day at four o'clock that some would hit my hands. I just didn't know. I was like screaming like joan osborne song and lauryn hill and i didn't know one told us like we used to put on Go out in the sun maybe oil. Yeah in tin foil like we like that was so i of if you're twenty two and you're listening to this. It's different than if you have a you know if you're grew up in phoenix. And you never use sunscreen like i. Don't you know right now. I think there's a lot of different iterations of it. I think there's a lot of different potencies and what loses phones. My whole thing with vitamin c is like if it's soon as you open. It's the activated. Like i just. I think a lot of this. I keep my sinker hair in the fridge But i think a lot of it is bake And i do not do retinal just as a personal preference. Because i just don't i do the mitts so i can show them to you. I do the Scrubbed meddling in the foliage eating. And then i do dermot rolling with the tiny needles every other day and then so that your skin connect you can actually absorb it because there's so many skin cells that's what works for me and then i put my product on so if retinal works for you great. I just can't recommend one. I don't know how to use it now. I've seen you use those mitts. Literally seen you like in the bathtub. Put them on. Yup are those. You're doing those on your face as well. I'll do just like a my face and lips not around my eyes ever ever ever. Okay lymphatic drainage. I do it all over my body and it's kind of as needed They're super cheap. Right adult dollar unit like fifty of them all due up always like around the lips you know like and people also forget like what germany role so little dermot roller here. Which is like everyone's gotta be. You gotta clean it. You gotta make sure. I'd be the alcohol on it every couple of weeks or like. Get a new one or like four dollars. He's a sell out. And i'm looking at the Also go over your eyebrow always people forget your eyebrows skin and then over your lips always and people forget to put sunscreen on their lips. True i gotta know. Got up so many questions i know and i'm like looking at all my shit. Show us what sunscreen. What's your go-to sunscreen. Everything it's a i. I do feel like knowing whitney. She uses everything. I use everything. Everything that i alternate. Because it's like your skin gets used to something and there's like something smell something and you go through a bad breakup and every time you smell it. It's gonna remind you about persons you need to change. Like i love the moroccan oil smell. And then i had a tragedy and i was in every time i smell. It takes him back there. So then i can alternate And then you know I like to experiment and try. New stuff and smell is really important to me. I'm super emotional. So i looked play around right now. Whitney are you know you don't have an actual skin-care fridge in your bathroom. Have saved gear in your downstairs. Fridge are you. Are you considering getting a skincare fridge. Hard hitting journalism right now if fridge fridge. I just like if it's re hundred dollars just because it's pain. I'm not going to get it. I'll just get a fridge. That has a clear thing you know. I hung my fridge and then like my cream. Oh my god. I don't even that rand no. There's no way to keep up with her and her galaxy brain rob. Oh yeah backups. I'm it's a hoarder but itself care and it's like it's just something you have to you know it's like people i know they're like time for my skin. And what will you just put nine powder on your baby and you got your car washed and you just got three new pairs of shoes and you just your dry cleaning. We just we chronically as women ourselves last. Select by my bad. I'll have a bomb. You know it's so in the middle of the night. I can literally just like breach over the the. Are you rubbing my on your body to do it under my body. Yeah i started to get like more serious about my body. Like i do the spray. Like at all do astringent on my body now. Why wait way wait. What do you mean. You're exterior stringent vetting by vagina. Which part of it. I the lips part. I look that we're not women are not told a moisturizer regina and i think it's a huge huge missed opportunity. Traveled gives us really train. Not touch it in general so and then you go to my closet. This is. I'm staying at a different alternate between the closet and i've just got like a pump oil though say love that jazz. I'm looking for close. I'm living up my legs as i'm changing as unthinking you know so it's like it just having one available at all times to just keep blue hands hand lotion. Like i'm just constantly. he's lewd follow. Yeah in is. I look i do have a of of ocd. Everyone knows that so that helps. But it's it's comforting to me. The smells are comforting to me. My mom growing up Every night before bed or she walk around the house there was always vicks vapor. Rub around the house and she would put it right under her nose all the time and she was always like putting on cream sets like i get an ice. I saw a lot. You know but you just have to train yourself to make it a habit and and become addicted to it you know. It takes twenty eight days to make a new neural pathway. So just do it for twenty eight days and then it'll be habit. Have any pack. Have your lip balm your sunscreen. Your eye cream roller oil. Totta harper roller. Whatever the fuck it as saying like your own and by the way grapeseed oil. This is like that's my main thing rapeseed oil from i do like whole foods and amazon or whatever Face at face and body grapeseed oil grapeseed oil grapeseed oil tomato seed oil to never never heard of such a thing unbelievable. Well oh and then I we are working on an oil. That's gonna come out that s. There has been very helpful. And where. I'm going to put all the oils that i use in one place because i feel bad. Same tomato seed oil and grapeseed will evans. Like what brand is just like stresses people out. I don't want to cause people stress stress is actually most ageing so the last the biggest part of your beauty routine is break up with the toxic guy. Get out ship with toxic friend. That's fucking jealous of you and causes anxiety Stop resenting gossiping that co-worker like the releasing cortisol deteriorates are collagen. Basically at ages us. So forget your products. What's going on the other twenty three and a half hours a day in new relationships. Godown alanon. I'm not gonna say go to therapy. Most people don't have the time or the money alanon is free a is free codependence. Anonymous is free gets when you are wrinkle your forehead because you're mad at your coworker who keeps fucking writing passive aggressive emails like you lose. You're hurting yourself. I'm also big bodyshop bitch by the way. Wow since we're big fan. It's just. I'm i'm a loyal bitch. We talk in the body to call warriors owners love we just to the people listening like i didn't know we were allowed to talk about wendy's upcoming face oil. I'm so excited. I thought that was exclusive information. I don't really was. I am really excited. Esters esters told me. I am thrilled as it's huge. I right now have only the benefit one the body shop in my purse but a lip stain lips. I'm a stain bitch. A lip stain and then sunscreen lip balm the rest of the day. I with me. This is kinda my main thing. I'd under kobe. I have my sinuses draining. I sound better yet. We are you taking tak taking tech. Every morning i've put this antibacterial. Shit my nose wait. Why am i need when i go right. Now the aaron. La's so shitty. When i go to the construction zone is my house. Or if i'm like to go on a plane or something like an antibacterial it's called mu pre who names. These things isn't a description. Yes and i'm not recommending an another doctor where you are my doctor. Great neutrogena revising with sunscreen. Spf twenty. and. I bought all of them finding them when i bend over that i can't really. That's what happens. When i might face down but guys are making me feel better because i have that problem too and i thought it was sick as lip balm that is kind of got a sheer color to it like. It's kind of a year. And then i'll do this all day. Oh yes sunscreen. In it and the stain on your body shop owned that was. That's been a tent. you're holding right. Yes but i prefer the body shop one at as do not let me animals never have. We're the first now whitney as a longtime fan girl yours. I do wanna reference your old blog. The princess complex wa. She does think she scared is gonna sunscreen. It just keeps it. Your hands kind of went told badger and i'm obsessed with. Honey badgers so. I like the packaging is important. It's emotional four love. Admitting to that yeah to the license of yours notice became cream which is just good to have. It's it numbs. Like i have a making at my ingrown. So i have lighter king cream to just because we have such a combative relationship with our skinner bodies. So i just try to hurt. It is possible okay. Let's talk about my blog. Okay so on your blog years ago. I don't think so. I find data i own a i own the rights to it. I love it right. Optioning sumi You had mentioned that you. I remember back in the day. You are obsessed with will lead us skin food and like bought all of them. Yes on the problem is now. I found out that it has land linen. Oh a lot of people are converging to land. And it's from sheep's skin. And i don't want to call them out trash them and maybe they've changed her formula but i really just think it's an unnecessary The same with There was another thing i love. That was land. I just i look at the ingredients. And i just don't put sheep's poss- on my face. Yeah fair enough for many of us. The holidays are going to look quite different. This year. You know why we're in a damn pandemic but that's why this year there's a very meaningful gift option that you may not know about and it's called story worth story. 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Grossed me I want to talk a little bit about eating because on the show. Talk about all things beauty. Food exercise whatever I know you have a past of disordered. Eating as do is do many of our listeners. And i just kinda wanna get some inspiration from you in like just fun all positive like what are you into eating like what do you have any like Belief systems about eating. Like what can i. How can i copied it all. Can you make this question. I just got hungry. Because i've been listening to this question for know i. Yeah thank you. And i know. This is a sensitive topic and it's a triggering topic. So i'm not gonna make light of it and be dismissive. I am not saying this. Because i'm trying to sell things. I'm good but I did write a whole chapter about it in my book. I talked about my last. I just want you guys to know. I'm very open about it. That is how we dissolve shame. Which is the engine of many of our addictions is Secrecy were only as sick as the secrets. We keep so. I just did a podcast with nikki. Glaser and we got really into the eating stuff. It's different for everyone. We think we're the only people that understand. We think that that were the own. Excuse me speaking speaking of wrinkles new rescue now. This is a former rescue. that is fat. Sa- beautiful beautiful dog right now. We're working on the perfect home from wrinkle dragon The only getting wrinkles is a sharp. Go up so yes. I i you know might disordered eating. There's so much ancestral trauma. I grew up with Primary caretakers having disordered eating notably anorexia and wine. Only wine diet coke coffee. That's what i saw women drink There was a lot of control around food for addiction for alcoholism new present. Alcohol doesn't have to be present so alcoholism can present itself in being addicted to cooking gambling doubting sex controlling organizing crafting calling obsessing worrying adrenaline. Like we have all kinds of addictions right so there is a lot of cooking like to control you and you have to eat everything on your plate and if you you i will get a glass of milk and yet a finnish. The milk initiate. You can't leave the table to finish the milk. There was a lot of that shit growing up and there was a lot of like her tending to eat something and spitting into a napkin so that it didn't like i told the story on howard stern where i was sitting next Kill bill quentin tarantino and you know how why they call it. Cunning baffling disease of addiction eating disorders. You think you're getting away. You think nobody knows you think no one has any idea and we were at dinner and of all things of all the things. It might make me cry that it was octopus. We were at a sushi restaurant with a one harvey weinstein and one quentin tarantino. And all the people from a tarantino roast was like thurman kathy griffin whoever whoever whoever and he was like try this and it was an octopus lag. And this before i understood that octa says it's not occupied rain paper in high school that they feel they're all their feelings are in their arms and a half gold blood only live for for years and they have like eight hearts. It's just eating. Octopus is just kills me. Anyway i didn't know any of the time i was like that looks fattening. Because it's shining has oil on it. And i put it in my mouth and then try to spit it out because i had like a. I could choose something. Spit out. new napkin and quentin tarantino's like did you just hugh sneezed like the amount of lying that was in my eating disorder that you think you're getting away with it. You know it's like. I wanna be skeletal Skinny and i don't want you to notice. But i do want the tension. It's it's it's a real mind. Fuck it's a labyrinth it's a labyrinth of hallucinations. A hall of mirrors and there was a lot of binging and purging. There was a lot of. I didn't have a lot of friends in high school i would. I didn't go to lunch. Time at my car. In e Dried fruit only reasons. Only sabato hush my my athletic career ambitions as a basketball player. Has i would only raisins at so many cavities. Because i would only dried fruit like two years only like dr goes and like swiss miss packets with that. I would put in the fridge in big so we all have our thing. Only smucker's jelly out of the jar. There is a lot of like alestra potato chips. This is your your listeners and viewers are probably younger than me so there's probably other the sugar free candies. The sugar free twizzlers making myself sick. The binging and a lot of it was from sexual abuse child's and the need to isolate is a big part of might disordered eating was. I'm gonna make myself so sick that no one will wanna have sex with me. No one will touch me. I'm gonna stay home. It's an antisocial thing for me And it's a way to check out. So i'm going to eat food. Four boxes cereal. That are feel shame. Then we're to jim for four hours in run on the treadmill And then can't soul on my friends for dinner. Because i feel sick then meet nine protein bars and then hate myself and be in a fetal position. It was. It was like i was conscious. It's so hard. Yeah and when. I see people doing it. It's just there's you have to stay in your lane because the more you it's about control the more you try to control someone's eating disorder. The more they will recoil into their disease. I mean i remember. I put this my book where When i would serve fifteen two wild things happen. I was so skinny. Fifteen picture do put in post like picture stuff. I can show that picture of me with my sure Collar bones that New if it makes news maybe it was. I was so skeletal. I remember running up wisconsin avenue in washington. Dc like you know we all those moments that were just like that is imprinted in your hip canvas. So deeply in this guy is went. Eat something like wasn't a it wasn't a cat call. Eat something. And i was like like i had olive oil nickname and like it was sort of Bys couldn't touch. The whole thing had to sleep with a pillow between my knees. You know the whole thing. And god. I wanna hug that girl so much so hard. How did how did you overcome bat like. How did you get better You know it was a number of things I'm a broken record about how hard i'm in a twelve step program of anon Codependence anonymous I'd never really went to away like eating disorder. My thing was the sheild so and and childhood sexual abuse. You know women. We all have a complicated relationship food whether you're breastfed or not breastfed or how much i contact you got while you were being breastfed. I mean it's just everyone's got their own constellation of what works for them and my services are better rest. Look your mother. Jeez my doctor and your doctor. I know i'm so grateful. I don't give advice. My advice is figure out like connect your source. Read the gift. Fear listen to your body figure out worse for you. Yes scientists on your own body and people like take vitamin d. It's like okay. Well what what it does okay. We'll half the vitamin d supplements have read number five in them in the. You're eating plastic. And then the vitamin so. I have to eat plastic. Doesn't it kinda cancel it out like you just have to like constant like radically go inward radically trust. Your gut sounds cunanan. Jfk junior is alive alive and landing was shot by hubert. But you know so it's Where was i on the emailing. And i did the Adult children alcoholics the exercise of connecting to your inner child. was huge for me. Where you It's the aca big buckets. A big maroon book Take what you like and leave the rest. Not all of it is going to Apply to you and your if your defensive keep reading if it doesn't apply to you just get bet The laundry lists traits in the codependent workbook Twelve step workbook That fourth staple getcha the blueprint for progress. Fourth step will get ya Take likely the rest. I didn't some took me two years. Some took me two days. We'll go at our own pace And the writing the letters to my inner child you write to her with your dominant hand and she responds in your non dominant hand And running you say like what do you want to eat today. And in a better great. Let's wow it's it's incredibly powerful you'll cry your head off if it's the right time the right place and you save it in you. I have a picture of my inner child on my phone at all times. And i talked to her and i eat for her so how way that we feed ourselves. We would never feed children that way if you had a child or did you feed your child ray utterly kindness then bar a think thin bar a manager joke. That's funny because i had a think thin year. Wait yes same. What flavor do you remember. They their very peanut. They changed the name of their company. Who think thin is now called like think slimfast not into that. Boiler whitney do. I am curious because now that you have a healthy relationship with food now that you've really worked hard for like just circling back to beauty. Do ever subscribe to like eating for beauty. Do you ever like eat avocado. Because you know it'll be good for your scanner or anything like that. Yeah for sure. Fat that that Fat fat so we hate fat. We have an adversarial relationship with that. We think that fat means you're fat Which is wild girl good. For your skin. Labor discord cortisol levels increase. Serotonin eating yes. So i am very conscious of look. Look it's like i'm not a dot. I can't get into that slippery slope of diet every day's a new day and i'm going to the worst thing you can do for your skin in your body and your mind stress out over whether or not you should eat something or not so. The quarter saw all that is released from your brain from the should. I eat this. I can't drugger is like it's bad for me. That's worse for you. So i enjoy have hot chocolate with marshmallow and not think about it. I mean it's been. I mean it's a twenty. It's been a twenty year thing guys and also i realized that dinner you are the older you look one hundred percent and eddie kind of cancer anorexia and my work hall ism also challenged my anorexia because i was like my brain is not highly functioning because are sugar-free schedules. So i can get as much work done. So i started to sort of a eclipse that and then i did something that for me worked and this is gonna get cancelled which is like mine. I i talked about this in my More elegantly eloquently and hilariously Fischel because of the damage to my body from eating disorders disordered eating. So i my special talked about how i my boobs and really grow in because i Had starved myself and they were asymmetrical As much that's normal but mine were like particularly What was the joke was like one was alec baldwin. Moma stephen baldwin. Wanted to alec to siemens i don't remember the joke. It was like a salvador dali painting oaks. I thought it was too elitist. Or something. And so i did get corrective on my bibs because i wanted my boobs because of some Childhood sexual trauma from a woman and such like boobs. Like i just thought if i buy if my boobs were bigger i could be bigger. My whole body could be bigger like i had almost be symmetrical. We do have a driving. Need for things to roost magical It is a reptilian brain thing plus the trauma. I guess if i can say anything it's just like get to know your ancestry. 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That's a special offer for glowing up listeners. They get ten percent off their first month at better help dot com slash glowing up whitney before we lose you soon. I wanna get 'cause it's around the holiday times and i gotta ask you about this. Because last year. I had a really terrible christmas and i saw you right after and you really helped me so much and i would just love to hear you talk about like the pressure of the holidays because it's just holidays made me so depressed. I have such a bad time. No matter what i do i would just love to hear some advice on that if you could radical forgiveness and patience mine mine is is is all relatives like your mom knows what buttons to press. Because she installed them she knows where they are. Everyone is In their chronic perfectionism and they're given their unhealthy giving Receiving and giving is very complicated in fraught right. I gave you a gift last year. Gave me the gift i gave you last year. The re gifting and the uniform new at what are your opening. I'm opening one by by. We open the same time in the league i had there was a my mom would hover with the garbage bag. The wrapping never hit the floor. Garbage i mean it was like you're cleaning up as you're going. It's christmas morning. you're not off. You're not awake. You're not wearing the red sox. You your christmas better insuring. Gummy checking your phone. I mean it's just like there's so much just radical forgiveness. I sound like such a fucking cliche. Like and it's I would look into your ancestral trauma in what you're knowing what your ancestors were up against and knowing what your parents were up against and not judging your parents based on today's standards don't just do something sit there when in doubt say nothing smile. Fake it till you make it. That's not being inauthentic. I think the younger generation darling. I have to say everything. I feel at all times but feelings aren't facts and you're allowed to just be okay. You're allowed to let feelings pass like a butterfly. It's just gonna fly go by coop. You hurt my feelings by buy the fact that later. That's old that's old. That's really struggling. That's old it's your fault your fault your fault i forgive you i forgive you just right. I have this tattoo whites. You can't see it. Just says i love you because of this movie meditation like just like in your head just like i love you. I love you. I love you i forgive you. Just be the imagine when you go home for your holiday that you're in a movie about the holidays you're in parenthood. You're in happiest season. Dan le vian allison brie and ulta beauty. And just pretend you're in a movie and just be the person the movie that fucking act positive contribution to your future like b b star wars. Have a fucking thing dum dum. Ooh insult insult passive aggressive. Ooh oh you're jealous make all but forgive you love you love you like just it's like protect yourself. We drink poison and expect other people to die. That is not working for ya. Who gives a shit if you've got someone candle at sixty dollars and they give you a bath. Bomb regained last year. Who's a who's a fuck of jenny didn't eat the pie you made. She is problem. She's insecure about her body nicked. Yeah we do this advice. This is advice is applying to a lot in my life of like when someone rows you up and like how do you react and you just kind of went in has the best We talked around christmas in a little bit in the kazzee david episode or kaley cuoco episode lot the flight attendant watch it By get no money from that. So good i can't lay. I hear anything you're cast like as soon as you go home to your family of origin you like time travel into the your fourteen year old self and because but let but like don't let them cast you as that person like. When i see my brother. I love more than anything in the world. He's like you know. Were i'm fourteen and he's twenty one and i'm like hey can i get some business advice. And he's like why use eating like it just turns i remember kevin christie Brilliant artists comedian Was with me in. London wants that. I saw my brother and he was like. I've never seen anyone talk to you like that. I've never seen you like. I totally time traveled back to being fourteen. Hours a kevin. Oh you know. We just go right pattern recognition. Just try to be aware of the pattern. Your home you're back in your child at home in your child things in your childhood dog barks and the the smells the perfume of your mom. Okay oh factually glance firing got it got it. I'm time traveled the candle. She's looking at some of the outline cinnamon off that charlie girl perfume and the now i'm back and twelve aware of all your senses and what is activating and how it's influencing you just go. I don't have to go. The i get to make a choice right edge. Turn it over to make a choice right now to not be ten like to me right now to not be six. I'll have to be mad at you. Mom everyone's mom imagine being a woman in the fucking sixties seventies eighties. Fuck out of here. Forgive them all they nailed it. They did the best they could with the tools they had. We should pay them and worship on. Forgive all moms forgive hashtag forgive all mom definitely. They don't imagine the mansion anyone wanting to be a bad parent. No one wants to be a bad parent wakes up at like to fuck up my kid today. They're the best they can. It's fucking you up so it's hard to have kids. It's so hard. I feel like i'm learning so much today. Most importantly i've learned to hashtag stay wet. Always i know the speyrer. The but i'm like already feeling like i'm starting to ono reach for your reach for the nearest surface. There's an open jar somewhere. Oh this is a duplicate of ajar in the bedroom of the lube there it is face lube loop up at albany. This fireside chat literally Was there so enlightened. People are so mean to their hands. Also the biggest piece of advice when you wipe your pussy front to back. Sure will there's that but if you're peeing or have told the paper here because of a sinus infection is that you don't wipe you dab dabhol. Y was you're pulling the collagen if you're the skin six. This explains everything i explained again. Make a square. We davin hold. Release whitney why feel like you use a day. Am i way off. I don't i could suffered some rich ship. Yeah no i. i grew up poor though. I'm like west. Virginia i will. I know you grew up poor. Because you don't have kleenex. You just use toilet paper out. No i've never never clinics toilet paper horrify. Amazing so weird. When you say kleenex. I was like b by the nair. She nares only do like paper towels toilet paper. It's like it's all. I hate that. I hate everything pat though but she passed or to rub printer paper but then a doodoo brown. It's like a little scoop. Whitney not a white overdose mini scoop. I'm i don't know why i've now become obsessed with the idea of you using a day. I think it would never never in is bad. Oh right water okay. I take it back. I forgot fucking full of oil. A dave face away are we showing showering or taking baths ou. Don't give esther another reason to nobody in oil before i get in the shower bath. Wash water enemy lauder ages. You what happens to would piece of what piece of leather water. Water water is the enemy. Why i don't wash my. I wash my face with oil and up it. I'm telling you that this is what my mom she's always lecturing about taking bads a she looks under the bath- when i watched the him it's telling him watching from those baths it's like it gives me like with no nothing in it makes me so like bitch get the grapeseed oil so the bat has trump oral on your body before you go in for. You're gonna pool cover my body with loyal chlorine on your skin. Are you insane own. In our you loco died your guru you're literally skin guru. This is insane now. You're radicalizing me right now. There's a there's something very exciting the message. It's like stay wet but also stay away from water is very funny is lou schulman and gentle. Use our fingers and were gentle. Let's see the way people treat their face when they put makeup on his name. Yeah the polling is bad debt. The eyelid four little eyelid number. The city love. I could watch you do this all day. Round never gets any love which is great for an eyebrow We'll hairspray jennifer love. Hewitt taught me us will hairspray on the finger. I'm here for that. Wow whitney thank you so much for teaching us how to live our lives. I am so grateful and also your book that you referenced is amazing. Everyone in my family has read it. Including my fiance's. I wish i could like i don't have time but i like i've so many updates on it really queasy that next time you bells are very important emotionally music. I wish i can't wait for the listeners. To see you each time think that your skin is had enough moisture. I down and it's like another half cup goes on to grab something moisture moisture moisturizer isn't so that you it can't absorb right right. You're this is good. This is really. What do you do with your hands. What does that so when people do this up. Only a only my face skin is so saggy like i've already done the damage. I yeah. Do you ever do korean facial massage on youtube. There's a lot of good videos. Oh no known to no one touches my case you do it naturally. You're already you just do that. You know so always up always always up off your hands before you wash face. Wash your hands before you apply your shit. I never do that. It's such a bad habit here on your disgusting disgusting i am. I've chose i. Just don't i don't understand why anyone pays for that. Do you ever you like you. Like all sarah. Yeah took a laser all look once a year. I don't. I'm not a doctor but maybe it's working when i say you have the best skin i've ever seen in my life i am. I really mean that we know work goes into like now i know now. I know how you've got beautiful skin princess. It's it's inspiring rings. Scratch your face owners of lot of ship thinking about. And then when you do. I go whole fingers and steered man's at the first sign. No no we'll whitney thank you for you. Please love back every week. You are a hero. A- goddess there are no words. This is an honor. Thank you so much. Love you post in post imposed because this is actually what everyone me about. So i hope i can make this get more than two views. Thank you could think you wanna get up to seven view. You're delight airline so nice to meet you whitney. You're the best has been everything. Okay no exaggerating in twenty twenty one. That's my resolution. Got it copy. That i make good person and you are tastic. The best Elf member is the best coffee ever. They did it. It's it's laziness exaggeration. It's got to be more intentional with our choice caroline a great way to put it. It's lazy and it makes me stop trusting. I know it's a dirty habit. I you say you're the best and then you go to the bathroom like well. I thought it was now. I can't trust you fuck but you're coming from a good place from a good place but we could afford to be more mindful with addiction. Always it's everything This badge is into the Yeah precious with your words. Precious has gets about. Rob that word Meticulous with the words you use you can meticulous. You can't take them back and words need to mean what they mean. Not everything's genius and amazing and hilarious in perfect and is now in quite a ball like now. now. I this has been eye-opening though and i do mean that and i do still think what is the best. I am. sorry. 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