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Xbox's Competition Isn't PS, Nintendo - Kinda Funny Games Daily 02.05.20

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Intake two games according to take two interactive the parent company of Rockstar Games. Dan houser will be leaving the company on March Eleventh Twenty Twenty he previously worked on numerous GTE games as well as red dead. Redemption One and two in a statement published ahead of the companies Q.. Three twenty two thousand financial report take two said quote we are extremely grateful for his contributions. Rockstar Games has built some of the most critically acclaimed and commercially successful game. Aim World's a global community of passionate fans and an incredibly talented team which remains focused on current and future projects and quote houser already took an extended break that began in the spring of two thousand nineteen after the launch of red dead redemption. Two in November twenty eighteen. Dan along with his brother. Sam houser were executives at BMG interactive interactive. Before it was acquired by take to the House brothers founded rockstar Games undertake tune December nineteen ninety eight and Rockstar. The brothers wrote and developed games like Gte an redden. But also bully midnight club Los Angeles and smugglers fucking around baby. Piano launched coddle houser is credited as a writer on most of the grand theft auto games from grand theft auto two grand theft auto five as well as head writer on Buoy Red Dead Redemption. Max Payne three and read introduction to twenty only eighteen interview G. Q.. Houser briefly talked about the challenge of writing grand theft auto six in today's climate quote. It's really unclear what we would even do. GTE Six let alone how upset people would get with whatever we did. Set Hauser both intense liberal progression and intense conservatism. are both very militant in very angry then gene had an update rockstar games. Spokesperson has added a comment regarding the news of Dan. Hauser's Departure Company didn't address Hauser's departure directly but reiterated that Sam houser. Dan's brother other aniko founder of Rockstar. Games is still a company in a statement is a Rockstar Games. Spokesperson said quote Sam Hauser's role with Rockstar Games. which he founded in nineteen ninety eight remains unchanged Sam and the team remained focus on current and future projects? Timothy's yes can you believe it sucker. I I cannot believe it I it what does it say about the climate of day. He's talking here about like the the liberalism and conservatism was to me about what he do you did. He do some bad stuff choosing. I sincerely doubt he did personally with this type of sign up. It doesn't seem that way. It just sucks. So that's the first thing my head goes to totally. Yeah this one makes sense to me though. I don't think that I saw somebody in your wrong say Try to correct it. was you guys know Imron on an bless yesterday right. Try to correct. I guess at some point yesterday talked about Shawn layden leaving playstation in somebody and there was like he said he was going to retire he clearly just retired. That's not how you retire. Yeah he did not peacefully retire and the way they sent him with a tweet. Yeah that's not how sean late in the face of playstation would have left the company. Something happened there. I don't know what Houser Zor however is a reckless like. The Hauser brothers are so rare. I this crazily enough had chance. Twenty twelve the Golden York interview. Dan houser right in and this is still obviously Dan. Dan houser talks about grand theft auto. Three we'd bunch. Everything's right but like in a rare interview rockstars Dan how's reveals the stories behind the making can you. Gt three in his personal experience to the controversy. That followed my opening. Is this Dan houser. I'm sorry Dan how's hardly ever gives interviews thankfully when he does. He's happy to talking. He must have been. I moved like that like I remember that being a full stop like everyone in the office stopped working when it was like. We're getting an interview view with Dan houser because that doesn't happen in so for someone to be that behind the scenes and shy away from the spotlight that much him and Sam do. It doesn't surprise me that the reveal that he leaving the company happened in earnings report because it had to share in a perfect world they would love to never say anything and he just goes. Yeah I don't mean that to be like they're trying to hide the dirty laundry as much as like him and Sam just don't want the limelight that way. They want the speaker themselves. It's the reason that it's so rare. You hear something from the inside of Rockstar. Because they are very much we are a brand. It's a brand. You're talking about. Not The people who make the Games. It's the brand rockstar. which is one of the reasons? I know that they've gotten into so much trouble before. With crunch and Nick Ah toxic work environments and stuff like that. Because that's not how most people want to exist in handling all these things and then not have an opinion on anything and be vetted a million times and all the horror stories. We've heard before. Yeah yeah it's just crazy that our industry has evolved enough and grown enough that these things are going to happen and these things have been happening. Reggie leaving like I feel like now. We're just getting to a point where it's like there. There are more and more names that people know and can associate or at least the brands where it's like Oh this guy leaving rockstar. Even if you don't know Dan Houser you understand that that's a big deal right understand the legacy there and what they've built right but like going with you all the Games it's like he's been in this game for a long time and it's all the games that made Rockstar Rockstar. Absolute right I mean that's the thing again. He's credit for the writer on the writer on most of the grand theft auto games from grand theft auto two to five as well as head writer on Bully Red Redemption. Max Payne three in red interruption to unlock those are those are the Games man. Yeah exactly. That's the kind of stuff you're gonNA talk about so the question becomes and Tim. What does this mean to you in? What does this mean to? GTE Six and what does this mean to Rockstar going forward. I mean you gotta hope that it it what they practice what they preach there and it is about the brand if that's what they're talking about and that's how they've built their brand is that they can survive without that type of voice and hopefully that voice has Advocated that that voice still exists within the company. Yeah I got imagine. That's the case you know it's like unless this was like a bad split a bad situation which doesn't seem to be. I feel like the the work on g six already been done insurance. That game planning understand what team is locations setting time and all that stuff like I. I guarantee that stuff's locked in. It's probably much further along than that and I'm sure that he's already kind of push things along for the roles. He's had in the previous games. Yeah Yeah Yeah My. I wonder how much of his fingerprint is on those games. You know what I mean even talking to this you know the two thousand eighteen interview right or he's like what the hell would be so so. GD would have been be worked on that point granted. I you talked to any video game developer. Ride Corey's like Adriano. Woo Woo the go to this to me. Reads like A. It's it's difficult. We're doing some shit but I wonder even if you know he had already stepped back. Maybe he was just working on red data and it was somebody else's head writer than on a gt six six and what they're making what they're envisioning and then of course. There's all these little wrinkles to it. Right of there had been rumors. We had heard that. Take two interactive was leaning down on Rockstar. Saying we they wanted more games quicker and you wonder is. That part of this was after reading. Takes a sabbatical. He comes back. That's still i. You imagined that would have already been in the water beforehand way before we ever heard about it. Takes to be great if we could get back how it used to be where remember was. Gt Three then gt city then GTE San Andreas and we were putting out multiple grand autos on one console generation. You wonder if that was happening before the hard work on red dead and then I need to take a chill pill and figure out I want to do with my life come back. It's still the same thing if not worse even now and I'm not trying to speculate bad stuff but maybe it is a disagreement where Dan is very much like no this is entrenched and we need space these out and seems like well we could make more money to where we should make more. We should listen to the parent company. Rockstar are it's in the name like they. They're so unique in the sense that they are dislike. I feel like they can say whatever the hell they want. Yeah it's it's a unique situation where it's not like you know. EA where it's like. Hey we need everyone under us to do you X Y and Z and they have to jump through those hoops and they have to do those things rockstar can guys just leave us the fuck alone and like the money's there right I don't ever see rockstar getting back to a point where the pump out tiles even though take of course you want you want to eat it too. I never really understood that phrase by the way but the idea would want your cake you want you want your case to the idea would be that you want this beautiful cake also wanna eat it or you gotta eat all those at once. You have the cake you need it. I don't get it you're the cake it's not. You're trying to get the cake right. Make sense it's like words you can understand it's like you have a beautifully wrapped Gordo's Burrito what you want you to see. I mean because you'd have to unwrap it. Eat It there you go there you go all right like you have a full bachelor question. Yeah what does this mean for the possibilities of or lack of possibilities for bully tune. I know it's not really related to what's going on here especially with your conference my argument I just want fucking bully too. I hear and I want to as well or just and I don't believe a master I mean nubile. We could just restart bullied giving new to call to. It's hard to say. Obviously because the argument would be here that if it is at all related to take to wanting more games in their being a disability disagreement at the top between Hauser brothers then Dan leaving you think if again. We're totally out unless you're nobody most people don't fuck happens at Rockstar. Right and when you do breath record We we don't know what's going on if if Dan was in any way standing in the way of that standing up being the captain America on the tree thing but like Rockstar does have multiple studios that are working on stuff all the time and so if it was. Let's make more games. You you know San Diego you're done with red dead to great move onto. I don't know if that's right you know. GTE Six happening over over across the pond like let's get people moving on these different games and shorten the scopes move rambling doesn't need to be the giant sprawling loose Santos or San. Andreas open world. World right like you don't need that game you could turn around quicker. I would think that the more the argument bear it becomes this the more shakeups cups you have of the entrenched leadership at Rockstar. Already developed for that point the more chance there is for radical change and it would be a radical change to see rockstar rockstar suddenly be like Yep. We're doing all these games. We're putting out all this content. We're making these Games happen YOU'RE GONNA get game from Rockstar. Every two years three years running a different studios in different cycle Michael this that and the other him leaving. I think I'M NOT GONNA say makes it better chance to happens or something of that effect but I think it's definitely a better chance for different. Yeah that's true. I guess I don't think we're ever going to see that type of thing. I think that Rockstar will always be on some type of like closer to four year cycle between game. I think those games are going to be. GTE and red dead. It's like the industry. What's up what are we got? It's rare somebody gets me in your wrong. Of course you've rushing live kinda funny dot com slash. Tell me what we screw screwed up. Brian writes in and says Tim. It's like this. It's like you don't want surgery but you don't WanNa be Greg Stoffel Ganger. That's the perfect one right there. You Go I will eat that cake. I just think that the industry has changed so much. It's like you know there was a day where we got in the nightclub and smugglers ron and bully and on top of Max Payne and on top of that. GTE City senators. You'll get the square side of things it's like. We had final fantasy seven eight and nine on the playstation one. What link about that right things J.J? Scope of games changed the way games. Make money changes. I think that that's the thing that Rockstar has has nailed down with grand theft auto grand theft auto online. Of course that I think that changes the business model where it's at some point. It's not about just putting out more. Titles it is just about figuring out how to get even more money out of the thing that's already making and that's and that's another thing not to ignore obviously is that I don't think he's is easy as Oh ah touquet wants more. Titles they want more obviously thoroughbreds. That are winning these giant horse races. That are winning all this money but yeah the industry has changed in the scope of games has changed in the complexity. Alexi of games has changed so it is way more difficult. But even if it was like to k wants to finance more rocks are rock steady rockstar studios right there. That too I mean I I think they have enough money to kind of have that fun and and I feel like you're the leadership changes needing needing to happen in order for the kind of like vision of what rockstar stories to change. That's absolutely correct. I also just think that in the same way like it would require one of them to be like you know what I want to take some of this money to fund a new studio to work on a smaller title light bully because I care that much about just making it happen. I don't think they're doing that's make money. I think they're doing that and office. Business to make money but that would be a real passion thing of like I believe is projects and I just wanted I want to get it done and we have the means to get it done. So let's do it but I don't see that happening because they have these things they've they've cracked the code. They know how to make money in with games that people love. It's the grand theft auto and Red Dead are perfect examples of. It's not just games to make money there'd beams that or amazing. Yeah and it's just like it's an example of when you put the passion and all the things line up correctly you really get magic there and that's the magic that everyone else's is chasing when you have that don't go back with the other guys are doing hundred percents yeah. They've changed the way. I think people want to monetize and do things in their games. Right Jason it's really interesting tweet about this. Include to Sharpton Tweeden. I don't know parentheses and don't want to speculate what Hauser's departure will mean for. GTE Six or other games. I'm I'm way more interested in how it will impact rockstars culture which from what I've heard has been rapidly improving since reports from Kentucky and others. October two thousand eighteen does that was interesting. Yeah because remember of course back in two thousand eighteen Inside rockstars Games culture culture of crunch which is one of the first big breakout. Hey crunches is not something to be celebrated. I shouldn't say that that we knew that but it was one of the giant. Hey this we. I think that that was a big turning point. Eight people being like. Hey you need to look at this different because people are celebrating. Look how hard we work. Yeah and and it's like Whoa. WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA? There's a problem here you know like you're being you're being beaten down to a place. Where like you're celebrating the thing that is breaking and that's a really interesting one one for me too because I think I think still having Sam there and I don't know and I don't know any interview? Dan houser once anybody from Adam in this situation but having uh Sam there if it's the hauser brothers if it's coming from the top on the culture is of you know like it. was you know Dan infamous a New York Times article right where I was Hey Yeah we one hundred. We've been working some hundred hour work weeks. Or whatever as the riders. That's what we were talking about about crunch right where it's one of those things of with him being a CO founder of the company him being like this huge name he is Rockstar Games. It's always it doesn't have to be that your bosses coming out saying. Hey we're all working a hundred hours where you're not allowed to leave. What are you fucking doing? It's more of if you see your boss working that hard are you How do you feel when you get up at six and you walk passes office to go to the front door? That was the thing we talked about. All right we're how murky and muddy the waters of crunch are and they're plenty are I don't know if there's one of their plenty of people do mandate and make sure you're doing it but that's the argument of like yeah. What does this do to the company culture? Then if there was a problem he was part of it at him leaving does that open up space for it. Frankfurter though right say the Patriots Dot com slash. Kinda funny games with a different for question. Good Morning Greg and Tim Dan Hauser's leaving rockstar. While we don't know what why he is leaving yet. It's still shocked that he's leaving something so giant and beloved as Rockstar Dr. His contributions were amazing. Company it makes me question if he if he's actually done with video games or is he going to move on to something. New initial thoughts would say no since he already. We found one of the biggest devos's out there but he did take a long break after red dead redemption to came out which leads me to think it was due to crunch. Will we see Dan houser again. And if so what do you think do you dads out. This is how you go out totally. It is in the sense of like you would need to have the next thing lineup. That would need to be a big part of it. Whatever if it was on his terms and how they've gone yet? I think I think this is the retirement plan. Exactly he's done so much for nine hundred ninety eight right founding rockstar and has no in on my in. I'm trying to be rude about. It was made. So much money was the impetus to work there and I think you can actually compare them to cliff cliff Lazinski right. WHO has left video games? Came out of retirement retirement to do bosque that is backing a retirement cliff. Lazinski will make another video game. And I think it's because that is intrinsically cliff where he does want to be on stage talking about his game if he does want to share these creations. He does want to be out there doing that. I think I'm Dan wants that to some level. Maybe even I would be more in thinking. If he's going to anything gonNA keep writing and what that means what that looks like. I don't know if it's a game a movie or a screenplay somebody just puts in a desk drawer. I see that being his outlet more than interest him ever getting back into games aims. This way. I just think those are the two again you talk about Dan. Hauser who. I think while we're throwing that name around while you listen to podcasts. Understand that everybody so how many other people have no idea who the fuck Dan. Houser is put up photos of random white dude's right any dues. Probably it'd be like. Is this. Dan houser it'd be hard for a lot of people to figure it out. I guess I'd I'd that's right. I I think he's gone gone but with whatever he wants to do. You know what I mean by leaks coming back. Yeah number two on the rope. Reports sadness playstation is closed Manchester. VR Studio this is Christopher drink over games. Industry is playstation. Were closed its Manchester Games studio. The firm confirmed to the firm. Confirm two games. Industry is that intends to see to close it as part of our efforts to improve efficiency and Operational effectiveness we understand. The entire studio has been made redundant Sony's Manchester team was formed to create. VR Game. Back in two thousand fifteen the firm had been working on an unannounced VR project. It is the the third. UK Studio playstation closed over the course of this generation with guerrilla cambridge closing in two thousand seventeen and evolution in two thousand sixteen both studios had also worked on playstation tissue. VR projects before being closed the. I'm sorry the platform holders still operates to first party development studios in the UK namely dreams developers media molecule and blood and truth creators. London studio. Tim Yeah wasn't me. I think this is just the way the cookie crumbles on some stuff ending this generation playstation. VR Did what it did which I think is successful. Yeah like they kind of put out enough titles and I think that moving into playstation five. I think this is a sign of a direction that might not be as focused on playstation VR. But I also think that it's just a sign that they understand what we are. They don't need this many teams working on stuff. They need a little bit less. Let's put out more quality. Titles that are less less amount of higher quality titles else focus on them and then try to get things poured it over instead of focusing first party titles from the perspective weakest chimes in with a question and they were already kind of answering so I want to get in here. Playstation playstation or. No sorry patriarch dot com slash kind of funny games what's up. Greg contain playstation is closing their Manchester. VR Studio they create in two thousand fifteen without them releasing a single game. Could this be a bad had signed for the future of playstation VR. I'm hesitant to throw the baby out with the bathwater on this and say it's a bad for playstation VR. I do think that the fact that hey twenty-five start this get working on the project and you never ship anything that speaks more to what was going on with that game in that studio. Yeah where whoever the People hired in studio heads and the crave directories you brought in. Never were able to find the fun in that and so we always talk about whenever I do talk about media molecule right and how much dreams has cost. There's that cost benefit analysis and so at some point. You look this like these. Are All sunk costs and this game isn't it and we don't think you're gonNA get anywhere with it so you're gonNA stop it start pre-production we're I mean like I think what it's two hundred all went wrong last year. So let's say it's GonNa take you another two years to get another game outright. You'RE GONNA go that far into you. WE'RE GONNA go into twenty twenty one to be a founded in two thousand fifteen. We're GONNA commit that much time to see not let let's doc with the I mean at least publicly an uncertain future of what position. VR looks like with necessary five. Like if you start working to gain now it's like I don't know what is that I I do think that they're working on position. VR titles that are playstation five VR. Title yes I think it's going to be the same idea that we've had before where yes. Let me. Just get out of that yes. They're working on place issue. Five thousand titles yes I think. VR was well into development. I think you'll see Probably what twenty. Twenty one or reveal twenty twenty to release I think I think Vr even though it is not the gangbusters movements movement's so many venture capitalists angel. Investors wanted it to be when it seemed like it was going to be. I think you are seeing more and more advancement. Their Cooler and Cooler Games aims their audience. That is growing and I think now that the quest is hitting I think there's even a bigger market there for that which benefits. Everybody and I do think that half-life Alex if it is is true valve game and is revolutionary is GonNa Bring even more people into that. VR space. In a way that I think playstation has has done so great. I know I'll keep it short because I say it all the time. But they've done such such a great job of having this little fire right and understanding from the beginning it was going to be a little fire that we hope grows really really big. They've kept feeding it into your point and my point to of how long this has taken this might not be the best way to feed it. a studio design unto itself to do. This isn't the proper way to do this. And when I say that I then immediately look at what they're doing ironman. VR A title. I can't wait for one of my most anticipated games at twenty twenty when I played it at the reveal event for the game was incredible. Has such fun with it right. And that's obviously a partnership with Marvel Games who is then. Doing what Marvel Games does so well and reaching out to a partner it is not the old school. Hey let's were or Disney. Let's make a bunch of Disney owned and operated video game studios to then make the Games. No that takes too long to build to your culture. Get the training wheels off higher up a staff we get office space. Fuck that there are a million amazing independent third party developers and army India like tiny garage. Even though they're amazing to in many people should get those house to take your Ip to them. So now. Yes I'd much rather personally see rather than places continued to sink money into Sunday Manchester and not be there and not be there and eventually get something that isn't that great You know they talk about of course Cambridge Cambridge of course did kills and mercenary on Vida a great game but of course not vetoing and do and then rigs combat of rigs the the game. you run around the ball. I didn't like Rick's right and so it's working on afterwards. The at two games no cell while now granted. That's because you've put them into these. He's hey we're doing think about how much money it takes for playstation to invest in a new studio and unproven studio to make this thing and do this thing and keep everybody. Employees keep every in healthcare beloit. Aw Fuck that. There's all these other students that will do these projects for you. Let them pitch you on amazing VR. Titles or even graveyard titles that you then go. Oh man this is awesome. Yeah Yeah let's all right cool we're GONNA do this. We're going to pay for this project while you work another project while you whatever and then we can do it this way and reap the benefit that way. I think you bring up. The quest is a really interesting too because I think big goes to the point of. It's not about exclusives necessarily when it comes to PR especially with playstation VR. It is about getting titles the getting hit titles. VR hit title people. Want the exclusives that are going to be key. Always exclusives do matter but I think for. VR is places not about getting getting VR enthusiast on a new VR hardware. In the same way that a console might be trying to get you on a game is GonNa get you on a new console right so it's like them having iron man. That's huge tried. Them having like astro and stuff like that like that that that is very important to the playstation ecosystem but I think that they need more beat sabres. They need more games. That are are already being talked about an already. Being praised elsewhere being brought over half life would be a great example. And that's the thing is that time exclusives with the way you work around this and again while you build build this ecosystem of VR which is going to be a struggle and it's going to be an uphill battle right. You see that happen where cool moss is a from poly arc is a timed signed exclusive for playstation VR. When that exclusive expired it went everywhere? We have great form Oss. Great Four Polytech in independent studio. They can then go do a million different things and grieve for playstation. They had it in the same way right of like half life Alex right not coming the playstation VR. They've said that it's not coming at launch or anything like that but one thousand percent believe that in a few years it's going to be playstation. VR because again. Why not if you have a bunch of people with headsets out there you want the game on their? VR VR is in a state where it needs all the help it can get from each other all the vr people need to work together in order to prove the platform in order to get enough units out there to make it worth even making more games aims to because you need a certain user base the Celtics right right. So yeah I this this sad but it makes sense. I especially think when you're looking at Sony's on his playstation VR lineup. And that's my thing is where I don't I don't think it's fair to look at it and be like all right cool so they closed a cambridge. They closed evolution now. They've closed Manchester Right. What are these all have in common? VR They don't believe in VR nothing new believe VR. They don't believe in the current business model they have for exactly where it doesn't make sense to invest invested studio for five years to try to get one game. That doesn't work when you could turn to a partner and let's say let's say I don't believe we're there anything to this. This is not repeal is look at Ironman. VR and camouflaged right and granted marble games thing. So even that's a wishy washy example but stick with me whatever playstations doing paying they get exclusively right if that game suddenly goes away. It doesn't work. It never ships broken gets can camouflage closes Ryan paintings I gotcha was all a fucking me watching me. There was no game at all right right. So how many hundreds of thousands millions of dollars is playstation APP. Sure that sucks right and I'm sure there's legal battles for but like how many millions of dollars did they spend for five years of Sony Manchester gesture to try to keep this going. And that's I think very interesting future for an unproven thing. I think for places to buy first parties like INSOMNIAC in have them come main in start making spiderman or whatever giant playstation five title. You're going to get from them or you know not forever. That's a different ball of wax because it was a proven even the systems are out there. They're GONNA make money. I mean I think it's it's less than it's unproven. It's more that it is proven it's proven to be at this level. Yeah it needs to be an understanding of what does this level level get us like what. How much do we need to invest in this? And what can we take out of it. At what point why not. Yeah what's where there is that not adding up. And that's that's where they need to kind of like make some changes. I think this is exactly that this is them looking at it like A. It's not that this is failing. It's that it succeeds at this level. We can't Invest X.. Amount more. Yeah okay number. Three up report. xbox is Phil. Spencer says Amazon and Google are the competition. This is Tom. Warren of the verge Microsoft's head of of gaming and Xbox Phil. Spencer has revealed that the company sees Amazon and Google as its main competition for the future speaking speaking in an interview with newly launched technology technology publication protocol. Spencer dismisses Sony Nintendo's ability to create a cloud infrastructure that will challenge Microsoft Google or Amazon quote off when you talk about Nintendo and Sony. We've done respect for them. But we see Amazon and Google as the main competitor is going forward says Spencer. That's not to disrespect Nintendo and Sony but the traditional gaming companies are somewhat out of position. I guess they could try to recreate her AZURE Azur but we've messed tens of billions leans of dollars into the cloud over the years Spencer's previously discussed the threat of Amazon and Google has competitors but not such clear terms he has also previously stated that Microsoft's gaming business quote isn't how many consoles cell and he acknowledges that further by noting that Microsoft isn't interesting getting into a future form at war with Nintendo or Sony quote. I don't WanNa be in a fight Over Foam format wars with those guys Amazon Angler focusing on how to get gaming. The seven billion people around the world says Spencer of the Protocol Interview Ultimately. That's the goal that means Microsoft is getting ready for for Future Council wars that will take place in data centers and it's ready to partner with competitors that can also use as I say. Go Fuck me. It's got dame Microsoft partnered with Sony last year and the pay or appears to be reading to host Sony Services on Azer Sure as you're fucking so it's like sure right that's it so it's Azure Azur. Well UH in the future Tim yes does this surprises no a little a little bit of a tangent but it fitness. I'm sure you're thinking a lot about ecosystems lately we've been dropping that term a lot. I feel like it's the Buzzword when it comes to talk next generation especially when job on xbox recently you got this Mac book Now fit fully in the apple rennet trying to say I was talking shit about math books. I don't remember this. I've always liked. I did see that I did I ever do that. Sounds like something you know. Great doesn't well. Well I love my maximum. He's actually about computers in jail. But no no no you Mac boy for sure but you now being completely in this apple ecosystem with the phone the watch the IPAD. I can text anybody on the listening and it's like it's these little van ranking want us these little features that allow you know that much more satisfaction for the products as a whole for all of the proximity that enhances every single element of what you have. I pleased I moved into recently have had to make the decision of what home home. What smart home with going with Google or am I going with Amazon the Alexa stuff or the Google Assistant Google home stuff? I went with Google because I have a lot of Google things but I also am in the apple side of things when it comes to my phone and watching stuff and it's like I don't get those luxuries of being able to taxed on my my my laptop which is windows but all of a sudden this you're making choices and you're investing in one side of thing that gets you some luxuries luxuries and loses you others. Yeah and that it's just an interesting thing where it's always been the case but I feel like more and more it's becoming a thing where there are very very small specific things that can end totaling thousands of dollars to invest in to actually get that enhancement but your investing that and you're giving up on another one one and I think that we've seen this already happening. Where eventually everything kind of like turns to being the same and we we see all of them adapting the same? Oh that's nice. We're going to do it right and you keep going and I think that's why when you look at xbox they're building this ecosystem that we've been talking them out of game pass ask xbox live the system itself. I call you playing with ex clouded. What's going on all of this stuff right whereas police station so far they were the ones that kind of had? How'd the ecosystem to begin with with the playstation Vita right? And they just never got to that you know with the remote plane with all. There's so much tantalizing ideas but the execute not browsing. Yeah exactly the execution is about to be here at what point to Sony. Also go well. We need to have our thing that if you're investing in this is their thing playstation VR. I it's just it's it's interesting to think about like how are these different pockets ecosystems and it's impossible to invest in all of them to the utmost. Yeah you have to choose. It's really powerful. All when apple creates this thing where you are now on apple because they make it better for you with every new thing that you get and it's like xbox is building that up and this interview to me perfectly encapsulating that where them talking about Amazon and Google. It's like they're not the competitor's them talking about them being the committee makes it the competitors this. This is such a bold ballsy thing. We're not fire with Nintendo and Sony. That means you're beating the INTENDO and Sony just by saying just in people's minds by going into the next Gen giving the Lehman it's GonNa see this randomly also changing the conversation interesting way which they need to right where it's like who cares. How many places where they don't fuck take it brilliant warfare in a war the pretending they're not in college duty? Brilliant worker Bradley from Southeast Georgia writes in the Patriot dot com slash rush. Kind of funny games just like you can't get the show ad free and with the post show ing questions. Read Bradley from southeast. Georgia says greetings Reagan concerning yesterday's conversation on. ps I love you. EXO EXO the playstation five launch exclusives and this morning's article on the verge where Phil since Spencer stated that Amazon and Google not. Sony Nintendo are xbox's main competitor is going forward. I want to just take a moment to state why I will never buy another xbox council barring any major treasury change in the future of course if I wanNA play horizon zeroed onto breath the wild to or any other Sony Nintendo exclusive. I have no other option than then own those councils. Those games exclusive to Microsoft. Tower is a different story between access to Microsoft exclusives on Project X. Cloud there's just no reason for me to own an xbox for the foreseeable future. This seems to be fine with Microsoft. Ask According to Spencer in the article on the verge Microsoft's gaming business isn't how many councils you sell. I'm probably not alone in thinking this but I'm not the majority by any stretch. I don't think the need for an xbox console is going to go. I don't think that I don't think the need for an xbox council council is going away anytime soon I just think that the need is going to be further reduced as time goes on. What do y'all think I think the need for an xbox consoles GonNa go away very soon and I think that that's like to really Kinda like encapsulate? Everything that I was saying. A second ago is Microsoft is selling ecosystem. That's what they're selling immediately everything you buy on top of that is just gonNa add and just gonNa make that ecosystem stronger better. It is not a thousand plus dollar investment. It is a what game passes. This is a dollar or whatever it is to get you in and then at what point it goes up to what thirty dollars sixty dollars. It's like those small things. Then it's you buy the console if you're that much in it and then you buy hi the whatever other things that they add and it's all additives to just make an amazing experience for you. I don't Microsoft does not care. They understand that they don't. They're not gonNA have the exclusives to sell consoles in the way that traditional hardware and software have worked together. They're building something building future and like talking about Amazon Google. They don't have those things either. That Microsoft is such unique place where it's like. Guess what they still do have Halo Amazon. Doesn't Google definitely doesn't Yeah Yeah I. I don't think you're wrong Bradley from southeast Georgia but again I I guess the best thing I can say and I know that I say this all the time. I believe Phil Spencer. When he speaks I I think there are so many different suits that come out and say are yeah? We're losing a playstation Nintendo. We're not. They're not our competition though Yadda Yadda Yadda it'd be like all right. Fuck doc I if you're just you're losing. He's not doing that no he's xbox generally are like I don't mean it in terms of complexity but I do mean of every also playing checkers and they're playing chess like they're not that sounds like that sounds like you're saying they're real says babies. I like checkers chess. I to chester murals. Understand what happened But it's the idea that they're playing a different game period and I do think that as we move on in another five years is going to be really interesting to see if this paid off because it is a game and it is a thing totally to your point Bradley. I don't need to own an xbox console right you're saying the key word right between access to officers on PC and project x cloud. There's just no reason they don't care you've already stopped. You're not saying you're never gonNA play at Microsoft or use an xbox service again. You're saying you won't buy the box totally subscribing game pass please use ex-pat Scott please do all these different things that as you're saying tim get you in the ecosystem and this is what I was talking about. NPS I love you. That I had a bunch of great conversations on twitter with a few a few best friends earns about it. I was getting really hyped up on the coffee and the fact that I was talking on piece. I love you tim about the fact that I think with xbox launching with Halo infant in having our killer APP if police say she doesn't launch with the horizon in this really hurts them because suddenly do believe that. It's the idea that all the people listening this kind of podcasts. The people who are hardcore gamers right. We WanNA buy both systems but but if you have a reason to delay buying one get the other for a different reason. That's a great move. And if that's what's going to happen here and a reason to come home with their xbox series x input inhalant and and then suddenly Oh man. I'm here might as you probably going to get three months of game. Pass free with it. You're probably GonNa X.. Got Up and running in the Beta supposed to expand into your game library and game pass this year. I would not be shocked if it launches with series acts as well and suddenly you turn on this box and it's what we're talking about with the apple ecosystem right of. Oh this is great. You look at all schools. Should I'm doing. Oh all right. Cool game pass automatically renewed. I'll stick around longer. I'll do this more blah blah Blah Blah and. You're delaying the purchase of a playstation or playstation platform less or whatever. Suddenly that's that's a big change for what's going on in the industry And I think that that is part part of their plan that is and again. I do think Phil Spencer isn't Spinning Bullshit here that a cool hail if you're GONNA plan on your original xbox one with your disguise to connect the gamble enjoy yourself itself but I also think that if the pro in an xbox one x taught us anything it is the fact that people shell out for the minor upgrade if it is that that you start up halo infant and Holy Shit. You love this game and it doesn't look as good as you know it can look on your four K. TV. I do believe you'll go out and but not everybody not when you come into the means whatever but also Dado need that. They need the people that want that. And I and again it's the ecosystem selling the ecosystem to up sell them later and that is the best position to be in and that was impossible before it is only possible now where people understand what that means and even then. I think that there's still some education necessary. I think think xbox be real real concise about what xbox is and. I think that they know they're already building on the stop. They've said so much and they've also said had so little when it comes they said. Let's put the XBOX series x out there and let's get everyone confused about the title was have all these headlines about. Why would they call it that? This is confusing. Whatever whatever whatever ever the leaving out all the other parts of that right exactly like but they're they need to have the one thing of its xbox? This is what Xbox Fox is get rid of x cloud as an even idea of title. Just explain how that is a function of xbox right. It's all you gotta do we xbox ecosystem coming soon to glasses near you still want smart glasses. I mean yeah you don't you don't But I do I definitely don't I definitely almost bought those exercises and I was like. Yeah 'cause they're just be Alexa. What are we toilet paper? Sorry for a reason just enough Alexa. Order me a Dildo. How big number four? This is just for Tim. You're on the show today Stevens Attila over Kentucky interview view with the guys behind Luigi Mansion Right. There's a whole bunch of questions in there. It's a required reading. If you like Louise mentioned to find out more about it but I thought this one stood up. 'cause I remember your complaints about Louise's you just mentioned in mind to of course Why there's money a why you can't buy much with it The hotel the wages mansion threes stuffed with money wherever Luigi points. Vacuum money goes go. Oh my going to fly. It sucks coins and bills from rugs and curtains from potted plants and bookshelves from bathtubs and really everything in the game. Why is there so much money? Lying around. The money was hidden in the hotel. A long time ago said game director Bryce Holliday. Actually this money does not belong to the Ghost said the game's producer Yushi Hito I bought a It was hidden within the hotel at some point in time. Now much lower there but a ton on a bit who's a ton obey. WHO's in first name molested? ipod offered a difference sort of origin. For all the cash quote the feedback that acquiring money makes one feel happy is something that has been demonstrated Super Mario and legend of Zelda so something we wanted to include players can use their in game money to buy some temporary power ups but there are no outfits or upgrades great to spend money on nothing meaningful that all that cash can go to quote. We had decided from the beginning that it would be used as an evaluation criteria for when you clear. The game producers said noting that the team had considered charging in game money for hints from Ed but decided that would discourage people from asking for help Tana Bay said had that any upgrades system wasn't needed. Holiday concurred upgrades and skill trees aren't very Luigi. Here's a reluctant hero. Here's a reluctant hero. Who already has the skills heels and bravery needed to tackle any problem? Players are helping Luigi overcome his nervousness to expose his true towns cleaning destroying and collecting are engaging zen experiences insist that everyone is familiar with since childhood. It is compelling even if there is no other reason than the act itself when you when you take a look. Did that with the with the Japanese lens to understand really the core. What he's saying it is the answer? I don't love the answer when it comes to the. Don't have the store I'd rather rather than just not have the story because the money was satisfying. Getting the money is the game. It is everything that is said about like collecting money. Makes you feel good. It's hitting all them receptors off. You know what you mean the dopamine. I mean who doesn't listen Doberman you but I just feel like that was at odds with them also having a store that you can buy useless shit. Sure sure that makes sense. Yeah like the Blue Mansion one. I liked that the money was going towards. What man should you get at the end? You know this one. I feel like playing through. It's like even if that's the case why you giving me a story that I can spend the money. Then I'm not going to get a dope ass hotel man outfits women really cool so I don't use to be upgrades to I. I would like to get rid of the store more power. You know what I mean. I love things saw Carter. I do want to try to yeah. I can't wait to see how we suck and Louis but it's so far away if I want to some of the more immediate say what came to the mom and pop shops. Where would I go? The official list of upcoming software across each and every platform is about a kind of funny games daily show host each and every week to to Barron sent you. Why didn't I actually sent you slack? And then I hyperlinked in out today in the highlighted section. There it is thank you so much. We talked about this yesterday yesterday. The Dark Crystal Age of resistance resistance tactics came out a place for xbox one switch PC and Mac however we also told you then that we would be giving away through the people who made the dark crystal themed Dark Crystal Switch and you could win a copy the game by finding out now so I buried it in the episode so the true fans have the chance. Basically it's GonNa Happen is gonNA tweet out from the Kinda funny account today about. It's kind of funny games daily. 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I know it's Zelda gets you they have I've gotten me every DC skin. They've dropped Batman cat woman. I'm buying them. I went and bought by Sarwar stuff. Talk Myself Out of it but there's been another DC thing that happened out there fuck. The harlequin skin looks expert. hyperlinked if you want to show it. Because it's it's obviously it's the suicide squad Harley Quinn in that now birds of Prey Harley witkin Lucas seven Yoshi whoever leaked stuff for four nine all the time Doug in there and got it and it hardly equipment. Suicide Squad. Looks Great. Ed thing of I was like I'll buy skins and eventually I'll fall back in a fortnight because as I always do and I haven't yet so I can't just I feel like I can't just keep skins for DC characters. I'm I'm never gonNA come back and play or can I. Who knows new dates dates for you Infinity the PSYCHEDELIC puzzle adventure from developer barbeque. And Paul. This is too much. He's infinity is coming Steam March fourth twenty twenty. 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150: 'Working 100-Hour Weeks'

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150: 'Working 100-Hour Weeks'

"Welcome to another episode of Kentucky's with screen. Only podcast with over three hundred thousand animations and five hundred thousand lines of dialogue. I today's show kurkin get into assassin's creed odyssey and talk about potentially blasphemous declaration that it might be better than the Witcher. Then we talk about the recent rockstar controversy involving one hundred hour workweeks excessive overtime and work practices. We get all galaxy brain on crunch and talk about whether it's the right move to boycott games. We don't like how they were mean. Finally, we talk about the movies and shows we've been watching and Kirk gives us a hilarious music pick. Here we go. And we are back for another episode. My name is Jason Shire. I am the news editor at taco dot com and I am joined once again by the editor at large guitar dot com. Kirk Hamilton. Hello, Kirk. Hello, Jason and a wonderful afternoon to you get is episode. One hundred fifty. I don't know if that's a milestone. Maybe it's a milestone. It's not quite as exciting as like one hundred or two hundred, but hey, we should celebrate. I think it's exactly half as exciting as one hundred or two hundred. So we should celebrate half as much. Yes, exactly where where we made it halfway from one hundred to two hundred, where if one to two hundred is like climbing Mount Everest, we just hit that point in the middle where you can stop and like maybe rest overnight. Have some snacks. Take a water break. You know, you can sleep in one of those cool contraptions that hangs on the underside of cliff like people use and. Claiming that vampire bats? Yeah. Have you ever seen those are real there? They really. On your camping adventures? I'd never have I've, but I've been tired enough camping that I think I could understand getting to a head space where you wouldn't be so terrified that you couldn't sleep, but that's, that's always been my thought is I would just be so scared of falling to my death in the middle of my sleep. So how does this work? So you're like suspending from branch or something like how you're well, it's, it's basically, and I'm, you know, I'm have never used one of these, so I don't know, but you are rock climbing so much that you're just sleeping on the face of a mountain. And there isn't a big flat ground to lay out your your sleeping bags. So there's a way of sort of rigging up a harness. I think using Piton driving something into the into the face of the cliff. And I think on cliffs where people do this. A lot of times there are already riggings and place for these and it's, you know, it's safe and then you read yourself up to with in this harness and you kind of hang off the side of the cliff, and then you just put your sleeping bag in that and you sleep that is terrifying. I would do that also wouldn't climb the face of a mountain. So you know, there's a lot of things that I wouldn't get me. Fair point. Yeah, I'm I'm pretty scared of heights in general. So this, this does not sound a my unfortunately. But yes, this is the episode is the equivalent of that we're doing the metaphorical version. Got it. No, yeah, it's it's, it works. It holds up. So actually I should say that this is going to be on the shorter side because last week we talked for nearly two hours about Micra transactions. And then next week as you'll see, we'll get into this little bit later. A lot of the stuff that we're going to that is like in the news today will be a lot more. It'll be easier for us to talk about next week for a variety of reasons. So this. And as I say this, I know that like we're gonna turn this into an hour and a half, but I but I. Yeah, it's like you've recorded. One of these podcasts says before something Chason where I don't know where you would get that. I have no idea, no, no earthly idea or I would get that from. So before we get into it and talk about some of the games that we have been playing, I just wanted to say. So this is a little bit of a podcast mini scoop exclusive everybody. So I have been as many people know working on a new book of, I'll have to blood pixels. And actually I've been, it's been going through some big changes recently, and I recently decided that the original idea I had wasn't really working and so I may be doing a total reboot hard pivot, hard reboot, and there isn't went to bring that up is because I think that it's just interesting to aid just point out to anyone else out there who's creative and struggling with something and like feeling like, oh man, this idea is and working that take some comfort in the fact that this happens to everybody like. No matter how many other successful things you do in the past. There's always going to be these like YouTube creative struggles and hurdles. And yeah, I just thought that people would be interested to know that I am basically bungee circa two thousand thirteen and just rebooting. Tell review just throwing everything out and starting over. So. Yeah. So if you're wondering why you haven't heard much about book to in the past year or so, that's the main reason. So I'll talk about it more when there's more to talk about. I hope that it turns out to be dark dark reboot, and we get a nice gritty sort of version of what it was going to be and be actually, that's that might be a one way of describing this. Yes, yes, we as we, as we know from the video game industry tends to work very well. So the video game industry is a gritty reboot of the film industry. That's good. I don't know if that holds up. It sounds really good about that. But that might be keeper that one might be. Yeah, yeah. This'll that'll be split screen soundbite. That'll be part of our new advertisement campaign. All right. So let's talk about some games we're playing. I just have one main game and it's the same one. We talked about last week assassin's creed odyssey. I actually spend this this past weekend. My wife was out of town. Again. I lucked out the past few weekends. I was able to just sit in marathon this game. So this past week, and I also just marathon for for many hours and I actually finished the main family story. I don't think that qualifies as finishing the game because there's still some unresolved stuff obviously. And you get these odyssey quests and there are three different quest lines, and I think you don't really finish the game until you get all three. So like I haven't seen credits or anything of seaquest lens is kill every cultist which is yeah, endeavor that I would imagine. Yeah, takes quite a bit longer to finish. Just track down your your mom and dad. Yeah, although that one's pretty long, my current and you wind up killing a lot of cultists on the way, and I have stuff too. But so my time here is like fifty five hours and I still I plan to finish his game. I am just blown away. All right. I'm gonna make a lofty proclamation. Are you ready? Are you ready for for a controversial of Indian? I am now. I'm glad you warned me, but I'm ready now. Well, I said this before, I think for me, I like is essence create odyssey better than the Witcher three. It's one of my favorite western style RPG's that have been that divinity original sin to or just my two favorites of the past. I don't know how long, but I love this game. I think this game is incredible. I think it's just amazing at everything it sets out to do. Kirk, I just really liked his game. I just wanted to be playing all the time. I know you like it a lot too, but what do you think of of that that claim? I'm not gonna take the bait. I mean, I love the Witcher three. I think they're very different games, but I don't think I don't get that much out of like doing qualitative comparison between the two of them. So says, says the man who came up with the feature, the comparison. We had to make true. But also, I mean, you haven't even finished the three and as someone who's finished three multiple times and played all the Elsie I, I don't know, they're, they're both very good. Also. I haven't finished essence creed Odyssey's, so I'm just not going to try to make that kind of comparison between the game that I know. So. Well, a game that I still feel like I'm getting to know despite having played fifty hours of it. Well, I will say that I did not finish the what your three because I didn't feel compelled to finish three and I feel one hundred percent compelled to keep playing screen, honestly. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of the counter to the annoying video game argument that I'm doing to you that you did to me laugh. Week, which is the. I've seen the thing you haven't seen there for. I know how good it is. The opposite is well, I didn't wanna see how good it was because it isn't that good q. end of debate. So of course, of course, fair. But you're really trying hard to bait me into this which oversees assassin's creed comparison. I'm not going to make it. You wanna talk about though. You know that the point of this podcast is for me to China, bait you every weekend to see how how far you'll go into taking the bait. This is like a side bathing that's happening right now, and you're going to bring it back around. So this is this is a meta meta vacating. Okay. Meditating doesn't really sound like a great thing to do. Or a little too much medi with, you know, man, meditating is a new podcast term. Those guys meditating is like what YouTubers do in the first ten minutes of the podcast where they just talk about last week's show and get all the stuff. People podcasters do it too. But I feel like I see YouTube the, hey guys. Thanks for everyone for last week thinking a lot about my channel and that's meditating is that is now called. Really, really having some thoughts about this channel on the future of it. And so I know it's been a while, so I'm really sorry but have had some stuff. That's all meditating. That's that's a good. Well, met obation on this show. Yeah, I wanna talk more about ac- so I've played a lot more. Yeah, I am not as well. I didn't finish the family storyline though. I, I've done a. I've played almost as many hours as you have done it turn of side stuff in a ton of stuff. I'm in the middle of some of the first civilization stuff, which I won't spoil anything about, but is really RAD, so. Good. Yeah, definitely. One of the things that sort of brings this game to another level, I think in terms of just the variety of the experience and how how how far it goes totally in different directions than that. Yeah, I really like all of that. Well, so yes, so so it's interesting, so mechanically you're actually we were texting the weekend and you were saying how like you wish there was another level to this game mechanically, like some sort of puzzles or some sort of other game play mechanic, and I was actually thinking about when you said that, would you consider so the whole game, you don't really have any boss fights until you get into the first stuff. And then suddenly there these really cool boss, fates, would you. Consider that to be that extra extra level that you were looking for? No, because the boss fights are still combat. So there are boss fights in the arena. The each one ends in a boss fight. I mean there there have been a couple other. Yeah, those are basically just super powered human. Well. I've done elsewhere are to know really what I'm saying. What I'm looking for is, is some sort of actual puzzle solving which I'm just there really just isn't in this game. And I think that is probably my biggest criticism of the game is that as much as I like playing, it kind of just moves along very, very straightforward, access of your sneaking. You're fighting, you're taking quests that the dialogue options just add a nice dimension to that, but it doesn't feel to me like an actual new thing in the way that Arkham riddle, Riddler puzzles or as more apt comparison, the the puzzles in breath of the wild, which you know like that game really has another dimension to it in terms of in terms of puzzle solving and either games out of curiosity, are there any of the games of this John Rao that have puzzles that you thought were like, yeah, I mean, creed games. So they're older games in the series brotherhood, and they see to us to have these these cordoned off puzzle rooms. We're kind of back environments you go through some of them or you know, it'd be a cathedral or something, but sometimes it would be this underground amazing area in brotherhood. If I'm remembering correctly, it was in brotherhood. Those were some of the coolest things in the game also in revelations as really amazing. They kind of hearken back to assassinate creeds, Princeton, Persia roots in a way that this series has kind of moved farther and farther away from odyssey more even than origins. There's so little platforming and park core. There's so little climbing because you're just out in the wilderness or on a ship for so much of the game and its creed for black flag. Also kind of felt that way, which is a sacrifice you make, you know, because you want to have ship combat and all this other stuff. And I get that I do kind of wish there were still those big subterranean rooms you. They don't have to be Belva. Style puzzles doesn't have to be actually whatever, rearranging a room and moving things in switching levers, even just platforming puzzle that involves sort of navigating a big cool environment which. I will say I've run into a few times in the game. It's not not in the game. It just doesn't feel quite like an equal part of the game in the way that combat and stealth and just sort of stories stuff and chace stuff kind of does. Yeah, I get it. So one of the things that I think this game does better than many other games are just as exceptionally well is making your decisions feel consequential. And I don't think you can really know this until you play really deeply into the game, but their decisions that you make way of the beginning when you're like, I don't know ten hours in that pay off when you're fifty hours. And I think this game is really good about creating that allusion at the very least that the decisions you make matter. There've been a lot of quests with like really weird twist endings. I found one of my favorites is on this island called other names always slipped my mind, but I think it's called key thera- or cathedra therre right now actually, whenever I have time to play it. Again, that's where I'm going to pick back up. Yeah, so I'm not going to spoil it for you, but there's a quest on there that just have this ending that just it's not. It wasn't anything particularly like original or groundbreaking, but it just it was just done really well. And I was like, well, this is a tough decision and I made the wrong decision. It just hit me heart or like another quest line that you did play. The Mike knows one. It wound up for me having the most tragic ending possible and everybody died. Everybody's fucked. It was just, it made me feel horrible made me feel like, oh, man, I made a bunch of wrong decisions. I should have handled this better, and I've found that the game is just consistent about being just really interesting and making you feel really interesting things as a result of the really consequential things as a result of the decisions that you make. I think that the way the writing and the dialogue in the branching storytelling has been done in this considering that you'd be soft. Quebec has never done this before. Yeah, is really cool. Cool in part because it's very much the sort of familiar playbook for this kind of game. You know, they copy a lot of the sort of formulaic stuff from bio games from the Witcher. I think you mentioned this on the show how they have the dialogue options where the white ones are optional and just give you more backstory in the gold ones movie forward and feels. And that's kind of cool that there's enough of a kind of known mind share among game developers. Maybe they actually just went and hired people from by aware and from CD project read to come work on this game or something, but it just it is cool that you can that there's now enough shared knowledge and the games in the street is just kind of do this and get it this right on your first try, which is nice because I don't even think that would have been the case five or six years ago to see them. And you know, there are times where the, you know, the something will happen out of sequence and it won't make sense lines of dialogue lineup, that sort of show that this is the first time effort, but generally that they got this good is really cool. And I agree, it's it's neat to see the consequences of my choices from super long ago play out, and I'm imagining that they will continue to do so, which is nice. A thing that I like about this game is just how much fun it is to move and navigate through this world. I think this was true origins as well though. Oh, I think it strikes me a little bit more and odyssey for some reason. So what I mean by that is just the combination of it's really about the eagle, and I think the eagle is such a great mechanic. This was also in a far cry primal. You had this sort of drone eagle that you, you're wargame character could apparently just, you know, mind meld with and get information from. But the fact that at any point in time you can just press up and the suddenly totally sweeping overhead view. Ovary you are is a remarkable thing to have be the case in an open world game like this. They're just that's not really a mechanic with a precedent except in ghost recon games where you have an actual aerial drone. But even then it's not as constant, it doesn't that you have to kind of deploy it like in watchdogs you can deploy it. And that was a really transformational mechanic in watchdogs to as well the way you deploy your drone, you always have this little flying friend. Yeah, basically the same mechanic. I really just like how it feels and how it works. In these games in origins. I like I like even more odyssey when. You're writing on your horse, and then suddenly you just pop up and get a view where you're going. I think it's kind of also underlined by odyssey because odyssey has this exploration mode difficulty. So. It's nice Thirlby these times where I'm, you know, I just get an objective that says, go find this person there in this quarry, and I look on the map and I think that looks kind of like a Corey. But then I remember I can just pop to my eagle view and look around and they just look around and I'm like, oh, well, there's a query over there. So that must be it. Yeah, tested, is there a range because I can send your eagle pretty far and just check out like, hey, is that it? But no, if there's a range I've never run into range and I've gone pretty far the only thing that changes just has to fully reload the right? Yeah. Pop. I think maybe you could just fly your eagle across the whole map Manisha test that out. Yeah, yeah. I agree with you that mechanic work so well, and it's so fun. It feels like you're, you have the spy that you can just send on Michigan. It gives you like an awareness, a level of awareness over the world. That's very empowering and it really cool way and yeah, and it's incredible. I mean, the technological tricks are just incredible. I remember being amazed when final fantasy fifteen let you fly an airship around because before then I don't think I'd ever been in an open world game where you could see that much of the the open world at once. And so I didn't think it was even possible. And so that was that kind of blew my mind when that turned out to be puzzle. But that was pretty Janke. It was tons of pop in everywhere, and it would just be learning things in and out all the time. Plus there were landing issues where the land really delicately crash-landed. Yeah, you had crash all the time, but with this it just feels so seemless and. Mind blowing and it just it's, it's amazing how much this technology has been improving. I've seen some people talking in recent years about how like, oh, man from last generation to this generation. There weren't that many graphical strides, but I don't know, man, you should go back and play like red, Denver temps in one or something. It's there's some amazing strides. I would say it's even it's impressive for sure. Even over the past couple of years, there have been amazing strides and technology and the like as someone who's been noodling with PC graphics settings forever, that draw distance just isn't a thing anymore. Looking over the last couple years, it's just every game seems to just they've, I guess, mastered away to just do limitless draw distance without it being that taxing on graphics cards, because I just a lot of games. There's still kind of like foliage detailed distance or something like that. But so many times I'm sort of like this game. For example, I just feel like it's just amazing looking at night out and you can see all the little torches lit up in towns and buildings on the horizon. And it's just incredible. Yeah, it looks so good. The only real graphical hitch for me of these might be has been poppin just there's Potvin all the time for everything, some optimization stuff that kind of stop noticing for a little while but is definitely there. But yeah, I mean, just the the world of ancient Greece. I just love the setting and it just feels so like it's just so up my alley, and it's just such a cool setting such a cool place to be exploring. And a lot of the cities have kind of similar feels they do all have pretty distinct differences like you can go to Athens and then go to Sparta and you can tell where you are. It's it's not like it's not like you're walking through just generic fantasy. Ancient civilization cities feels very real or it just feels very authentic in the same way that their previous games have. But because I love ancient Greece so much, I'm just really enjoying the exploring the setting and all the characters. And yeah, it's, it's. I've been nailing every level for me. Yeah, I agree it. I've noticed more distinct like distinctions between the different regions more I've played because the map is just so bonkers. Huge still haven't unlocked so much of it after hours and but the really major areas and the more of them you get to the more. It's like, oh yeah, this is really distinct from this area in the same way that I think some of the regions of origins felt distinct from one another and the more you play, the more you realize, okay, this isn't just all sand dunes and right. This one type of city. This is there's a lot of variety here. I'm also struck a lot by the thing that you said about the way the Greeks have their own mythology because the tell their own stories and how bell and consistently that's been folded into the game. Like, you know, you go down to two near where the miniature wasn't worth to say as fought the minutae are, and there's so much discussion of him and his legend what that means and just everywhere you go there you're walking in the sort of in the footsteps. Of legends, but the fairly recent footsteps of legends, who are your own people and that everyone sort of talks about still all the time. Like it just happened. Relatively recent, right? If Homer the odyssey I believe around seven hundred, six hundred PC's like that. And right now punishing war the where the game is that his four thirty one BC. So we're still talking to injured years before I really Shively recent I should not. Yeah. I mean, that's like ABRAHAM LINCOLN days for us. So that feels like like way in the past? Yeah, it's it's super well done. And then the other thing that's a bait use more. But the main reason or one of the main reasons that I have found that I like odyssey better than the Witcher is the combat and the combat and the Witcher. I think a lot of people would agree is kind of one of its weakest points in that. It's just a lot of hacking and slashing and doing the same things over and over again. In this I feel it just feels a lot more like the actions, sort of rhythm that you would want from an action RPG in that you're just constantly rolling around using your abilities hacking pulling back using the bow and arrow to shoot people. It just has this really good rhythm that I like a lot, especially on your recommendation. I switched a hard about halfway through my playing the game, and that makes me enjoy way more because you dial a lot more quickly. So you have to really be on your feet and moving a lot dodging a lot and pairing. And yeah, I just really love. Love the combat and the way, and the way that the moments game play Playfield other than the ship combat, which I don't love. But the actual combat and that to me is really what's just re like taking it to a whole new level on top of everything else. Yeah, I, I mean, I talked a lot about the combat last week, so I I don't need to get into it, but I agree with you. I think it's good. I wrote a thing about the abilities the way they've refined ability assignment in this game this week. You know, that's just another small way that the game is more interesting than that. Has that result on combat that you have these cool abilities that you're constantly unlocking using? And that does make the game more fun and yeah, agree about about hard it really anyone listening if you're still playing the game tried on hard. I I had to kick it over to normal for actually part of the Mykonos quest. You have to do these kind of run of naval battles, and I can do okay in the ocean on hard. Now, if I'm just fighting pirates, but this it was just an immediate. I was fighting three ships at the same time and it was so hard and I was like, okay, forget this, but kicking his poem. Par what I did for that. I immediately die the for something to that, and then I was able to like pull. Yeah, I mean, that's generally right. The answer is if you're taking fire from three sides trying to take one ship down, I just I don't care. Yeah, there were like three rounds of fights, and I was like, I'm just doing this on normal, but it was funny on normal because then when you do the board, the ship boardings you have to do melee combat and it was so boring normal. 'cause I got so used to hard. I was wrecking everybody and I was like, this isn't even fun. I wanna challenge. It's funny how difficult a different difficulty setting kind of numbs you or whatever you just use to it. And then it's very hard to shift really in either direction. So the problem actually one of the, the only problem with combat I think is that you pretty much need the hero strength -bility if you're playing without that, I feel like it's a totally different game because all the enemies are gonna be such bullet sponges. But when you're using the hero strike ability, it just feels like a lot more balanced than it would. I mean, I haven't played a full pure warrior Bill. There's, you know, there's overpower attack. There's some really damaging warrior abilities so, but I, I can't imagine that you wouldn't want it even a warrior ability because it's monster damage to any enemy. You know any point in combat. It's pretty good. So yeah, I mean, for for for some fights, a lot of my strategy was just waiting until here strike recharge and just time trying to get away from that. You know, in like using slo MO because slo MO, do you have that unlock? That's one of the most useful abilities in the whole game. It's incredible. I have. I have three tiers of it and I get ten seconds and do that and just own everybody with your bone marrow. And that can work very well while you're waiting for hero strike to to recharge. Yeah, good points. Okay, cool. So why don't we take a quick break and then we will talk about the news of the week, including the big crunch question. Split screen is brought to you by Sonos, being the smart compact sound bar for your TV. This Levi sharp Gizmodo media podcast producer. I got to try out the Sonos being myself, and honestly, it's great. It was super easy to set up the beam connects to your TV with just one chord. And all you have to do is download the Sonos app. It walks you through the setup, and it's super intuitive kit also has Amazon Alexa built into it. It's super addictive. Use it to play my Spotify, skipped tracks. Turn down the volume. It can also play games, set reminders and check the news. But of course, the sound is of upmost importance to me and these speakers don't appoint. They sound great. And what super cool is you can pair the beam with sub and to Sonos and have an immersive surround sound order. You're being now. Now at Sona dot com for just three ninety nine it's worth it. Hi, I'm Madeline Davies host of jazz avows dirt. Cast third cast digs deep on the shallow industry of celebrity gossip giving you an inside. Look at how famous people publicists tabloids and even Scientology come together to create the celebrity news. You love to hate. Criminal activity and even one death that were covered up in order to protect the church. You can find the show on apple podcasts, NPR one wherever else you get your podcasts. And we are back Kirk, let's talk about the news of the week, Shelly, let's do it. So there wasn't a ton of news this week because actually a lot of the news cycle was dominated by a single topic, and that is, of course, rockstar and crunch. And so a couple of things that I should note upfront. So we're gonna talk a little bit about what happened this weekend, kind of the context surrounding this, but there are two important things here. First of all that all cowboy game redemption to comes out next week, and you will be reviewing it for us, and we will be able to talk about the game by the time. Next week's episode comes out yet, so that'll be that'll be the episode where we start blowing out the game and talking about the game and dissecting Ed. And if you are excited for Cowboys than that, that will be your episode to check out the other part of this equation. Is that I, as I've said on Twitter, I'm actually working. On a big story about work conditions rockstar, and I've been working on this for a little while now it's probably going to be published before next week's episode. So we will also beginning to that next accepts. This is very, like, you're going to get a very high quality discussion about all of these topics. Just probably not this week. Going with Blake, we said that this is like, this is the halfway. This is like you're taking on Mount Everest, right? You're just think of this is the chill, like relaxing episode where we talk about hundred one hundred weeks. No, we'll get into a little bit, but as far as like, I don't want to talk too much about my reporting and what I've heard so far until that story is out there, so. So that'll will table a lot of this stuff for next week. But I do wanna talk about this and and talking about a couple of things happen. So let me let me talk about what happened. Yes, goes through. So over the weekend, there was the story in vulture dot com, which is the website of New York magazine, and it was a long feature profile piece on rockstar, and the making of red dead redemption to it was very much like an access driven piece had some interesting anecdotes, but it was very fluffy. Like in the style of any magazine, profiling new hot piece of entertainment. It was like this. PRP's whatever here it is. One interesting nugget in the piece was Dan Houser who is the co, founder and lead writer, and one of the top two dogs at rockstar saying that he worked one hundred hour work weeks to make this game. And here's the exact quote. I'm gonna read this. The polishing rewrite in Rieti it's rockstar does are immense quote. We were working one hundred hour weeks and quote several times in two thousand eighteen Dan says. So that's the context, right? And the piece let's go like, it's not questioned. It's not followed up on. There's no like wait a minute hundred hour weeks. How many, how many hours a day is that there's no questioning of it at all. But once the piece was published, of course everybody sees onto that and started questioning. So on Monday, I was talking rockstar, I reached out to them for comments and Dan. Houser well, rockstar sent over and elaboration that was say, did to Dan Houser and it's a long thing. I'm not gonna read the whole thing, but it's on Kentucky. You can find it there. But the short version is he says that when he said that he was referring just to him and the senior writing team, and he says that additional effort is a choice. We don't ask our expect anyone to work anything like this. So this whole conversation has set off a lot of questions about crunch about hundred hour weeks about rockstar, in general. A lot of people have been coming out and telling stories about crunch specifically at rockstar, and that's the part that I will get into more next week, but I did wanna talk a little bit about just crunch in general and your thoughts. And we have an interesting Email for Melissa that will read so Kirk, first of all, have you found that like your opinions on crunch have changed over the years? You still feel the same ways that you did. Because actually this morning, I was listening to one of our old episodes where we talked about crunch. Couple years ago in September, I think twenty sixteen, we were talking to Matthew burns about an article that came out that was about eighty hour work week. So things are not things a lot of the same conversation topics, but I'm curious, you feel like your your thoughts of changed and all over the past couple of years. I'm sure they have. I mean, my understanding of the topic has changed a lot. I remember I think it was at my first or second game developers conference, probably in twenty eleven or twenty twelve. It was the first time I ever been somewhere whether a bunch of game developers speaking about their work, and I was struck at the time by how many people were talking about crunch. I didn't really know. I hadn't followed the industry closely before then, and so it was I opening in that. I was like, oh, this is a serious problem. I mean, so many different people, unrelated people are all talking about the problem in about how to plan for it and how to deal with it and how it's not. Okay. And so ever since then, I think I've just been gradually refining my understanding of it. I still have. I would imagine basically the same thoughts that I used to have, though I would be interested in listening to a conversation from a couple years ago and seeing if maybe I was gung ho and favor of crunch though. I know I wasn't now you actually will. So you brought up a lot of interesting points one in particular that I mainly. Like something I would do wine in particular that I found salient is you talked a lot about the the glorification of crunch and how it's used as a badge of honor and how people talk about like tales from the trenches, and like bragging about the number of hours they worked as if like kind of like reluctantly bragging, but not really. And that's something that really struck me with this vulture piece is that that's a lot of what it was. The rest of the context. There are other parts in the story where it's ridiculous. Like in the rest of this graph about working hundred hour weeks, he talks about making seventy versions of each red dead to trailer TV commercial, and the editors may make several hundred versions and that to me is absurd. I mean, think about the number of hours that takes the amount of wasted work that goes into something like that. Thing. Well, that's specifically I don't know how many versions of trailer anybody makes for any trailer. Maybe that's normal. I'm not really sure contextual. But yeah, I big bigger picture that sort of braying about extreme work is a really normal thing. I mean, it is. It's something that everybody does. It, look how hard we worked on this, look, how hard how much we cared. You better like it. You know, we worked so hard on this. I mean, I know that feeling certainly. So yeah, that that does come from a from sort of understandable place. Yeah, it's it's reminiscent of when someone's like I wrote like on Twitter, tweeting an article saying, I wrote five thousand words about this, and everybody feels. There's this feeling that like you have to be impressed because it's that many where there's also kind of a sort of glorification of the amount of products in video games. I think there's some line in there about eight foot stack of the script or something ridiculous and always, I mean, I remember David caged, didn't. He do that with with the what was the beyond two souls. If we out. Scripts set it out. Press utes stack of five hundred pages of paper. And actually it was all blank. It wasn't even the script. He was just saying, this is how big this, right, right. Sure. It is here it was, and that's the kind of thing that you know is it's a sort of a PR thing. It's a way of saying, look at how much work goes into these projects, which you know, in one sense, it's nice to acknowledge how much work it gets into it, but it becomes a problem in the context of the games industry, and it is interesting how how culture changes or how people try to change culture. And I think that's sort of what a lot of this, this conflict over Rockstars hundred hour work weeks and that line in particular being in this article and just the way that different people in the industry talk about crunch how that conflict comes to pass, I think, is tied in a lot with the idea of culture and changing culture, right? Laying GDS's. So when we when I saw these game developers and I've seen this every year, but especially those first years talking about crunch a lot of what they were doing was this game developers. Talking to other game developers, and they were really trying to reinforce this that this is not good crunch is not a normal part of working on something and you shouldn't just accept it. And I think that was the games industry trying to change its own culture. Right. I mean, that's kind of what was happening. And I think you see that also in people on the outside of the industry, like journalists are critics pointing the same thing out and saying, this isn't cool. It's not okay to brag about this. And while I understand why you would wanna say, I worked so hard on this thing, given the very clear context around this and the discussion that's been going on around crunch for years and years. It does that line kinda surprised me that it just passed by without comment and also that he that he decided to go there, you know that it was just, yeah, totally. Here's this thing that I know surely must know is very, is very controversial. One hundred hour work weeks there. Something to bring. I don't. I don't think he thought that way. I think maybe it's so ingrained in the culture Iraq. Star, like it is at some other studios that it's that it's just came naturally to him. So something that I found interesting to your point about the way that we talk about these things. I actually think that things have that's one place where things have really changed compared to five, six years ago. I think that today, people treat crunch differently and talk about it in different ways than they did even two years ago. I think today you're a lot more likely to find people just railing hard against crunch in any forms and just being like, this is a problem. Then you were a couple years ago or five years ago when you're when you're at your first. And I think that's kind of a result of the work that people are doing to kind of shine light on it as a bad thing. And we see these these big threads from, I think, Andrew Weldon who now works at bungee, but his work to bunch of different places had this big, long thread. I retweeted it bungee not crunch these days credit to people that are supposed to do, but. He was talking about past places he had worked not bungee and yes, just harrowing stories of unbelievable crunch and bad work, and it was very familiar. I mean, I've heard so many developers we'd had developers on talk about this, tell these stories, and it seems like that has gotten through to an extent. And I've thought a lot about this lately, like not just related to games culture, but to culture more broadly, how does culture change? And there are a lot of different things that bring that about, but one of the things that causes it shame. I think shame can be this very useful tool in causing culture to change because it's very difficult to change the culture of an industry or of a group of people or a society. And one way that a changes is if a thing that had maybe been normalized or hadn't really been talked about or had been just seen as maybe even celebrated or seen as good suddenly enough people point out all the problems with it, that it becomes something to Shane of. And I think we've sort of seen that at least not at every studio, obviously, but at many studios, they're more and more upfront about how. Good. It is to work here and how they take care of their workers, how they do not crunch and they're more times where you know it's sort of understood now even among big studios that the minute someone starts talking about crunch crunch so hard and we had to work so hard. They all get very worried. And sometimes that's because they don't want it to come out that they crunched. But that in and of itself is actually kind of a good thing because it means that there's more of an acceptance throughout the industry that crunches bad. And obviously it would be better if they weren't doing it at all, but it is that is at least I actually see that as a sign of progress despite the fact that there's still so much rampant crunch in the industry agreed to an interesting point that I wanted to bring up is that one of the reactions that I've seen a lot when I've been talking about this on Twitter is people reacting saying, hey, it's voluntary, it's not like anyone's forced to do this. Something I think is and in Dan Houser clarification comments. He said, no one senior junior has ever forced to work hard. We're just want to just say for the. Records because. Hard overtime. Did he mean work overtime is I guess. Now what he says, it's so that's the thing I say not to spoil the report that will be going up soon. I'm Cacak you, but in Rockstars culture work, hard quote, unquote equates to working extra hours. And I think that's a big part of this. Also a thing about voluntary crunches that like anyone who's worked in an office knows that if you are, if everybody is working the same hours and like everybody else for whatever reason is staying late to work on some project for a couple of weeks and your the person who leaves at six everyday while they're all staying till seven or eight like there is an implicit social pressure on you and you might get sink. You might get some passive, aggressive comments or something, but alarge part of crunch culture in the entire video game industry is this kind of this idea that even though it's not really volunteer, even though it's not not really mandatory. It is because that's just part of the culture like you. If someone's like, hey, we're ordering dinner and you're like, no, I'm leaving at six today. It's just like, wait, what like, no, you. You have to be here. You don't have to be here, but, hey, we're all staying here. Why aren't you or like, hey, we're, we're ordering dinner. Do you think that that sort of one of the last or one of the currents battlegrounds that sort of implicit crunch and that that's another one of these things that may actually fall down eventually because I have seen a lot of people on Twitter wherever saying the best thing you can do if you a game developer is praised someone for doing that to people actively for leaving early, say, that's good. Go have a life and kind of, you know, it's like another norm establishment is saying is no longer the norm. It is no longer acceptable for it to be the norm for us to do this. In fact, we're going to reinforce this when you know when we can or whatever. When we're in a position where it's okay for us to do that and to to support our. Colleagues, we want to go see their families or have a life. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I think that itself is an inherent symptom of the bigger problem in the bigger problem is that to a lot of people, there's this belief and I cannot come in on whether this is true or not, because I have no idea, but there's this belief that if you were going to try to make the best games in the world, this is the kind of commitment it takes. It takes a lot of these extra hours. It takes a lot of overtime out of crunching. And if you look at some of the best games that have come out in recent times, I mean, we don't know how good read that is yet, but I'm sure it'll be one of the top games the year. If you look at God of war has had a notorious crunch cycle that's been discussed through all sorts of industry circles that Sony Santa Monica crunch incredibly hard on that game. I've heard stories about it. Some like like if you look at some of the like naughty, dog has renowned in the industry for crunch not only for the making the best games, some of the best games in the triple a. industry, but also for crunching really hard. It's the Witcher three CD project read is, is you John crunch? I talked to their studio head about this at he three on our podcast, and he was pretty much like, yeah, I mean, we tell people, this is what you're getting into. This is an unions heated. Make the important things that they get paid for overtime in Poland. Yeah, that's true. But so just some people are rockstar. So some people, it depends if you're working hourly or salary. There are a lot of it really depends on a lot of different factors. And sometimes it depends like getting paid for overtime. You might wind up making the same amount as like someone who salary, just because you're hourly wages so much lower in. So it's all it's all relative and all. There's so many factors to that. But yeah, to the question you were bringing up the as to, is it possible to make some piece of technology this elaborate in this involve without that kind of outrageous effort? No. Is it possible to make game of the year quality gains without crunching that? Right. And I mean, yeah, I think that's like a worthwhile question to ask. It probably is. I don't think I certainly don't think we have enough data points enough understanding of the process or consistent of process to make to say that. Oh, yeah, clearly we just have to do this and that is one of the things that sort of will change over time because the more people who come out and talk about this consistent narrative that I see is that crunch doesn't actually make you do better work. And in fact it causes so much damage both. The industry big picture by causing burn out and causing people to just say, fuck this. I'm going to go, you know, whatever work in finance and make more money and see my family or just the overall kind of the fact that if people crunch endlessly on a game might not actually wind up being a better game. As a result, it's very hard to have these conversations. Speaking of responses, the people have to this discussion without escalating yourself on the galaxy Breen to like a higher or the galaxy Breen chart because it always kinda starts with, okay. The guy in the interviews said they were hundred hour weeks like that was a good thing. And that's sort of where we begin. And eventually it really is hard for me as I've thought about this to not go all the way up to the galaxy brain level of is human endeavors. Sustainable are human is western culture itself. Just such capitalism is capitalism, I guess, is the better way to think of that is capitalism, just an Athamna to healthy creative work, and that actually might be the case. Even well, you know that this system of rewards and incentives. The capitalism imposes on artists does create a certain type of art and can make some really can result in some really amazing work. It's I am open to the. I mean, I understand the argument completely that that system is just not really very compatible with creative work as someone who has done creative work and worked really hard on things that I've made musical and journalistic for Kentucky and whatever. I, I, I've felt that way the feeling of I need to sell this need to figure out how this is gonna, make me money and then wait a minute. Does that have anything to do with whether this is good or not? And one of my even doing and so you know his well, sorry, just I did it myself just there. I went full galaxy brain, and I think I try very hard to pull myself back down as many levels as possible. I have a question on that. I have a question on the table. Okay. I'm sorry. I tripped us into the galaxy rate. And now here we are standing in the exploding brain. Yeah, I love it. I'm happy. To be here. It's better than being on the on the cliff, like taking a nap. I'd rather be on top of the cliff in the galaxy green, galaxy brain of mountain. Metaphors are just a disaster this, I'll totally so so to historically correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that before there was any form of capitalism before like America's, we know and kind of the past three hundred years. Art was funded by patrons. And if you are Leonardo Davinci, you get a wealthy patron to fund you. Zaccheus throughout that period. That was at least a major way that was yes. That to me seems like a way we're system and like like, do we have any historical models models for systems of art, creating art that work better than the current one? That's my question yet. Artists such an interesting thing because it is not actually necessary for the like. I mean, it is. I think it's, I think it's the most necessary thing, right? It don't get me wrong. I think music is the most important thing ever, but it's not necessary in that easily arguable way of we need each there when when the climate change apocalypse happens, it's going to be low on our priority. Always winds up being in this is an ongoing problem with art education and with with schools, cutting music programs and cutting programs because it's not as important as learning stem stuff. And you know, that's again, this is yet another huge galaxy brain question because we're getting into the fundamental nature of art, which to me is the reason to live in the first place. So it's actually far more important than all. Of those practical things. But right. I mean, it it it. I don't know if Peter new system better. I don't know if there's ever been a good system for creating art. One of the mazing things about art is that art exists in the face of all of that, and so much more. I mean, that's why it's like magic that anyone makes this stuff to begin with. And you know, here we are in the galaxy rain. I don't even know how to get us back down to talking about grunge, but but I'm not even sure any of that is useful for this specific conversation. Right? As interesting as it is. We've. I mean. It's interesting that we're talking about art in the context of red debit option to which is the next game from the people who may not only an artistic were like a work of art with GTE five, but also the most profitable. He's most profitable piece of inter tamen ever. So this is like if games live on me, intersection of art and commerce than like like GTE as the biggest house on that intersection. This is the the biggest thing because I think it's undeniable that GTA and I mean any video game. Sure. But GTI is is a piece of art. You look at it and its artistic in so many different ways from so many different levels, whether it's on the same axes, every other video game. Really? Yeah. Absolutely art. Yes. And it's also the most. It's also this huge work of product and commerce has made many people, many millions of dollars. So yeah, it is an interesting kind of case study and flashpoint for this discussion of crunch. And I'm curious to see what what sort of reactions we see as a result of more of this conversation coming out. And hopefully when I publish this piece that drives them conversations, I actually wanna pivot a little bit and talk about like how fans should address this. And I actually think we just got an interesting Email that do you wanna read it. It's from Neil about this question, what what should fans do? So I can you read this? Yes. This is from Neil reading in like I am engine. Most screen listeners have been anxiously awaiting read that redemption to the gunfights the train heists shriveling horse balls all of it. Well, maybe not the last one, but the semi boasts this past week from rockstar about working multiple. Our weeks is kind of giving me pause. I don't know how I feel about buying the game knowing that I'm basically supporting the coating equivalent of a sweatshop take to Rockstars parent company as we're thirteen billion dollars right now, plus whatever else they make, when ribs into launches could not afford to hire enough people to make sure they weren't overworking their employees. I thought the discussion with Stephen last week with grades the discussion about micro transactions and it again it again raise the important question of is sixty dollars too little for a triple eight game, especially now having this glimpse behind the curtain at what what it takes to make these sorts of games is there a point they gamers have to make a moral stand so that the people that are making the games are treated fairly game, like a witch three made with polish labor laws requiring overtime, pay shows that games can be made without backbreaking crunch or at least is backbreaking crunch that there is well compensated, curious, thoughts on are able. Yeah, arguable I know kurkin, Mattie, touch on this while Jason was out, but I would love to hear all three of you discuss this, what it might mean for the industry moving forward, should we as consumers be buying free range, organic game. Or should we feel okay with the factory firm games, even if it means indirectly, exploiting some faceless coders locked in a basement in Silicon Valley, so. Okay. First of all. Yeah, it's just going to be the two of us, but maybe we can discuss us again next time. Mattie, we'll have plenty more reasons for this to come up. Yes. So this is a really good question, and I think that this is something I've been talking about with some people who still work rockstar is the boycott question. Should people be boycotting a game if they know or if they learned that it was made under conditions that were exploited if in some way or unfair to workers in some way. And that's an interesting hypothetical and I don't really have an easy answer to that. My opinions tend to shift and right now where I'm leaning is, no, I don't feel like it's helpful because for a couple of reasons. And I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this, but I'll give my rationale. So reasonable one is that ultimately, if. This game doesn't sell, and there's no chance that it's going to be a monster. But if for some reason it didn't sell well be executives. The people the top of the company would be just fine with their Ferraris and private jets. It would be the workers who got less like their bonuses for shipping. The game would be lower and they would be the one suffered because they would have been the ones to put all of this work into this game only for people to be boycotting. So so it's the type of thing where like a lot of these people who might have put in a lot of hard work and felt really shitty about that and felt like they had to sacrifice parts of themselves to make it happen. They still are proud of the game. They're still happy with the may still want people to play the game and that I mean, I can understand that, right? Like anytime you do something artistic, you always want people to see it so that that is one argument in favor of or against a potential Kat. The other. Angle of this that I think about a lot is that if you were to boycott, we're not play games that are made under horrible. We're conditions. You would have to boycott pretty much every video game and also how about that computer and that I phoned in your pocket. And it gets into this whole question of like ethical consumption under capitalism, and we don't have to go that galaxy brain once again. But it's, it's, it's not really like like picking and choosing your battles with boycotts is totally up to you, but it's not my personal. It's other way I would do things. My belief is that I wanna see more fans speaking out about this stuff and getting angry about crunch practices as they do about micro transactions. I wanna see YouTubers screaming into cameras about labor in a little little less about the XP boosters games or whatever, and a little more about labor, which. I think is is far more significant issue and something that I would love to see people talking about. So yeah, that's the one thing that I think fans can really do is just be loud about this sort of thing. What do you think I? Yeah, so I I agree with you about the labor versus micro transactions thing. I understand why it happens. Micro transactions affect people who play game. And it's harder to get worked up about something that you don't see directly, but that doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm glad that you and others doing a lot of reporting about this and that more just people have more information. I think that's really important. I with you about the boycott partly because I just there's just no way that's going to happen. And so anytime I look at something that's just so outlandish, that it can just like no one has ever boycotted a major video game and then let to change that way. However, when I was talking about things that change culture, I do think that in our society, shame is the big change agent and money is also a big change agent. And there are ways that there can be financial fallout for you know, bad practices, bad environments, bad people in charge that go beyond just boycotting product. You know, like, I don't know. We've seen this a lot with campaigns. Whatever someone at Fox News will be some do something horrible. And then there will be a campaign wherever Tigers get pulled. We've seen. This also be done in bad faith to other people, and you know, it's led to bad outcomes, but I do think that that kind of a campaign is seems to be far more effective than a boycott. I just I've never seen people people saying, I'm going to boycott guardians of the galaxy three because Disney fired James Gunn. I don't know. I just don't really think that's going to happen or the Disney is gonna give shit or think that that would cause the money, but there could be other ways of engaging with Disney that actually would get their attention potentially. And that's just for instance, I haven't really thought that one or any activity. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like with with rockstar to with any of these companies, the more people learn and that's why, like I said, the reporting is so important. The more they know the easier it is to have something to grab onto because one of the reasons that people get mad like I was saying about micro transactions more than labor is that you see the micro transactions right in your face. It's very easy to be ignorant of whatever exploitation leads to whichever product you're using. Like you said, I'm. Willfully, ignorant of whatever this computer monitor and looking at you on could have been made in the worst conditions, and I have no idea, and I don't have the bandwidth to even process how many things in my life or the results of exploitation. So you know, you have to start somewhere and the more information you have the better. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So we're on the same page about that. And yeah, I just don't. Yeah. Just something about like encouraging a boycott, especially as journalists, it doesn't really sit well with me. And again, I think this is something that I've been thinking a lot about in my opinion, totally crystallized and I don't know. I could certainly be swayed with the right argument. I just haven't seen much of a case in favor of boycotting something especially from the perspectives that were in. I just think it's way more important to just keep talking about it. So like I'm gonna play read did too, but I'm also going to talk about how it was made and tell that store. I'm just thinking out loud here the last. Time. And I think the only time maybe that I can think of that it seemed like rockstar was really touched by something like company and that would they're kind of a standing for any company in this big. But with rockstar, it was the hot coffee thing actually. Was that led to, we're there congressional hearings on that. I feel like they were there was at least, yes. They had to respond. Yeah, yeah. So that's the kind of response that seems like something of that magnitude tends to lead a company like this to finally have to do something where otherwise they can just be like, whatever. Fuck off, you're gonna make billions of dollars on this and we don't care. So it seems like when people do get worked up about something and learn about something, and then the information is out there and then it becomes a big deal. It can become a big deal. I've just very rarely seen it actually manifest in such a simple way as this bad thing happened, we're not buying your product doesn't sell, and then the company must respond to change their culture like that. That line basically never right happens. So yeah, in large part because people don't necessarily like like what is a correlation does not equate to causation. So like a game, not selling, rockstar would blame million factors. They wouldn't necessarily be like, oh, it's because we work our employees too hard. So, yeah, so we'll have lots more to say about this next week on the once. We've read. The top of mountain, even though that's not two hundred, I'm just going to switch metaphors there. Why don't we take another quick break? And then we'll talk about some off topic stuff and your weekly music pick. And we are back once again, Kirk Jason, are you ready to talk about some music? Yeah. Talk about music. Talk about off topic things. I'm going to talk about everything. Yeah. Well, first of all, what have you been watching reading, checking out recently? Sure. Have a few things. I watched the movies and I watched some movies this week. This is kind of a good time to rent movies because all the summer movies are now available for rent. So we were starting to get screeners which I know that's always an exciting time. We watched Jurassic world fallen kingdom, which is pretty bad. It's pretty bad movie. Yeah, terrific world is you see now I stayed away from this franchise, so I love. I love Jurassic Park shit and think it's in fascinating kind of that. I don't know. I, I find it interesting at least entertaining enough. And I guess I would say that of this movie too. But yeah, not really, very good. That's I don't have to get into a whole thing on it. I didn't. Fantasize. I should say, I mean, the world, the franchise I Saad dressing. Right? Because I guess this is a new, a new trilogy or something. Yeah. So now even though it obviously, they, they keep having these Tian's like to the point where you're like, oh my God, I got it. The director is seen drastic park. It was the only good one stop stealing every shot on every reference and every you know, every then that's an example that movie it should've just stopped at when I think can I have? I told you my read on this and this probably wasn't mine originally, but undress role. If I am going to say something about it and that is that so ethic world. Do you mind if I tell you the loose plot of that movie came out a while ago here? I'm never gonna watch it. The thought of that movie is that I will do this very quickly, and I think this is amazing is that drastic world is reopened on island blur and it's working. It's like a functioning Jurassic Park, and yet they're, they're making shady deals with military contractors to sell the Chris Pratt is training raptors to be special ops animals and also. So they should Netflix engineer this super killer dinosaur. That's I don't remember. It's got a stupid name and it's like a Toronto source only. It's also a monster, and it's really smart, and it can change color and it's super good at killing and they're basically engineering it to be a weapon. So it seen as abomination by everyone and they're like, oh, the thing is not a dinosaur. It's not an animal. It's a monster, and then the whole movie is about there's even a character in drastic worlds. As the first world keeps talking about how the original Jurassic Park was like only good one like the park self, not the movie if you didn't get it and then it keeps playing super themes. And then basically the theme of this movie winds up being that this new abomination is in every way inferior to the original park and is eventually destroyed by the dinosaurs from the original Jurassic perks landing on the set of the original drastic park movie. So it's like the movie hates it self so much that it creates its own death in the movie, which I actually think is fascinating anyway. How one kingdom doesn't even have anything that interesting happening in it. It's just pretty dumb. The other movie we watched deadpool two, which was silly and okay. Very meta referential in a cute way, and I don't know. I liked the first one. I didn't see the second. It's fine. It's, you know, watch it when it's free on tired after all the revelations about how much of a jerk TJ Miller is it's hard to like watch these barely in it, which is nice. I remember it and it didn't even remember the particulars watching. But I did just when he was on screen. I was like a dick right again, it came up that day and differently. Yeah, pretty minor character, but Ryan Reynolds is great. It's, it was pretty cute movie. Yeah. I like right around last thing is kind of off the wall, so to speak recommendation of a short story that I read a couple of weeks ago that I think people would maybe really like it's called the yellow wallpaper. It's by Charlotte, Perkins Gilman, and it was published in eighteen ninety two. And it's a short story. You can actually find it online and just read it. And Emily recommended it to me. She thinks about she references it with actually with regards to like our dog in the in the world that he lives in the world that nugget lives in because we wonder a lot. What does he see? He's kind of deaf and blind and he's trapped by himself a lot. And so this book is a little bit about that. It's the story of a woman who is sort of diagnosed as just sickly and ill in the way that women were kind of treated by. Always male doctors in the in the late nineteenth century and just sort of she's just confined to a room and I don't want to spoil it, but it's just sort of about the experience of being alone, even though you really shouldn't be and being forced just being like, oh, you're unwell, you know, you shouldn't don't exert yourself, don't think don't right. Just you'll be okay and she kind of instead just gradually unspools and it's it's wild man knowing that it came up more than one hundred years ago and it's so I don't know. It's really stuck with me. I think it's a really cool story. I don't feel prepared to do a full literary analysis of it right now, but I recommend people read it. It's called the yellow by Shirley skillman it's everywhere. So this really good. I'll check it out. That's you may may carry us really cool. Yeah, so I don't have a ton to talk about, but I did watch a bunch of Jack horsemen season. Five. Have you watched that yet? All of that I'm up to episode ten. I think we have two or three left. So yes, you and I are about about the same place. I think a couple nights because it's pretty intense. It's great. I love it. It's still just as hard hitting and yet hilarious as it always is. I feel like it's almost gotten better and better every season. It's just one of those shows. It just keeps growing and expanding and getting more and more in depth and interesting gets all the characters. I think that the way that it's kind of like like, I don't wanna spoil too much, but it's kind of at the point that I'm and probably where you're at. It's like meta analyzing this fascination that media has with shitty men and turning them into anti heroes. And since Bo, Jack, is that character? It's just it's doing some really interesting things and it just plays around with TV formats and such clever and creative ways. That episode with the eulogy was man. I've never seen anything like that. I was that was that was something else will Arnett man. He's, yeah, very good work with this show. Yeah, I'm. Curious how they'll stick the landing. I, like I said last week, I felt a little like there have been times where the show's spinning its wheels with characters in ways that I think I hope they kind of wrap it up in another season or to feel like they're gonna, they're in terms of these character. Like, yes, the characters are more interesting to know them, but it feels that they've been through so many arcs as characters that I'm ready for new characters, and I just feel like they're, they can only go through the ringer so many more times and cycle back on other in different relationship format. So many times. So I, I have a feeling they must be feeling like, okay, it's about time to wrap this up, which given where the new fascination with death and things ending. I mean, that's always kind of been the show's theme, but it does. They're going to work toward a finale and I hope they make that conscious decision. Okay. Two more seasons and we're done or one more and we're just gonna finish it. Yeah, I agree. It's it's an amazing show that everyone should watch. Yeah, I wanna get more into it. Maybe we can do that later. Once we both watched the whole thing and spoil it a little bit. Little jabs. So yeah, so we should say goodbye. But before we do as always time for your music pick of the week and I know you've got a really fun do. So we were joking before the show and you're, you're showing me lonely island songs like you should do one of these. And then I thought I should do something different though. The civically Jack's barrow by the jacks Perez on phenomenal. That's a good one, but I was thinking I should be something different. You know, I've been making all these sort of jazz and pop songs, just good music. I like here's a song that's an unusual one, and it is the battle, the breeding on Russian, the unicorn from two thousand eleven, and I'm just going to play a clip from it and then conduct relies everybody. So here's the chorus of the sun. Okay. So I wonder if anyone listening to this doesn't know bad lip reading and just thinks that that's a pop song because you could because that's kind of the amazing thing about this song. So to explain what this song is this bad lip reading, which is very, very, very popular YouTube channel. You probably all know. It's a guy who I think works in the entertainment industry. I'm not sure if he's ever been named, but he's fairly anonymous, the person who does this, and he just takes clips of things and reads the lips and then dubs over his own voices, and he's incredible at it. So does videos for the NFL for the presidential inauguration newscasters most popular fell on mazing so this are inch peanut. Do you remember that one? Did you? Oh, yeah, I think so. Man, the NFL are good or just the ones where the players are saying their names and where they're from, and he just shut up. Good. So so anyway, this this one, Russian unicorn is actually a music video that he did where he, he watched this Michael boob way video for haven't met you yet, which is kind of amazing. I'll play a clip from it in a second because it's worth listening to the original thing and then seeing what he did with it. So what he does, basically he watches the music video and then he pulls the sound out and then writes his own song that's to the same tempo. So the the beats match the editing that it's matchup with the music, but then he just writes a completely different south song. So here is what the Michael boob liaison sounds like. Lots of fries. Last approved in my hot so many times I stopped keeping talk myself. And then just as reminder, this is what the bad lip reading sunk soundly. So he doesn't thing where he's like rights gibberish lyrics, my favorite line. And this is when he says, I want to shave that most ashen than have. And the reason he says to watch the video, I need to say, well, so of course you should go watch it and people have probably seen this, but he's saying nonsense words because they match up with what Michael boob may is saying when he's singing the actual Lear IX. Exactly. So it looks like he's saying it's ridiculous. Shit. I want to shoot a Russian unicorn. Well, my roomie's out hiking. Really those words have in the match up with with what he appears. We seen the reason that I'm playing it on audio podcast that I just think the song is really, really good, and that's always what stuck in my craw about this badly. This bad lip video in particular is the song is amazing. I think it's such a catchy song. I think we'll probably do it on the couch over is that there's all these the melody. The hooks are really funny just that it's like high king. They sing. Hiking. I don't know. It's so good because it's a great pups on its own. Just I wanna know the story of the creation of this because he is kind of like just sitting on that song and then he kind of made it work for this because you don't just write a song that good. I mean, maybe he did. I will get did a few music videos just wanted to me. At least this one is this is far beyond just every aspect of it is so catchy and so good. I always get stuck in my head just as a song as done song with made up lyrics were only written that way to fit over an existing son. So that's my music pick because I still think that's one of the most creative amazing things. Anyone has made on the internet like in the last decade, and it's a great song. So leading guy, if you're listening and you wanna come on the show, hit us up, please please. That would be Graceland to hear about your process. We really do because good job reading that very good song. Very good job. All right. So we have done this in about an. Our ten. That's pretty good. That's for sure. Short amount. True. Yeah, yeah. I guess there was it turned out there was a lot to talk about and we didn't even get through like the entire third section that we had it or not. So I feel. Have too much to say which is good in the end. If you're doing a good thing for professional podcasters to not run out of things to talk about. All right, Kirk. So next week we will be back and we will get way more in depth. Although I guess we got pretty in depth, but even more in depth on like thread dad, too, and the human cost and that it took to make Reddit to. So we'll probably just split the episode into two segments and just do one or maybe it'll all be combined. We'll see. We'll see. So that's it for this week. I will see you next week. All right. Next week, Jason. Kotoka split-screen is an official podcasts dot com. It's produced by Kirk Hamilton and me, Jason, try Kirk at its mixes the Koss and also wrote and performed our theme song. 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Yeah you didn't you didn't throw so You're you're any hints on that. Luckily there was some. This is the hit on twitter. No somebody twitter was like. Hey did you tell Jeff and I Jeff Cadet me and I'll try to do talk to not do that. I'm going to do that immediately. Thing team this is your. PSA It is. Is that if you're a founder. A day one founder is likely that the nineteenth it pains me and we'll get to it later. It pains me if you're a founder to say that like founding stop. Founding is what you're saying you gotta get off that founding because the twenty fourth is the day but what they said is that it's actually short for dumbfounded that would do it. Oh Man Hey we got a lot to talk about not just you know. PSA's for stadia but we got. There's tons of news today. We got games Galore to talk about. This is not your typical February show. There's lots to get to and we. Am An awesome guest to do it with the DNC always stands for your downloadable Nada in your downloadable Christian but this week I'm so excited because D. L. C. stands for discovering a link between chums because we have the co host and Co founder of these secret friends unite. podcast todd ox dress joining us for the first time. Hey Todd he guys longtime listener first-time caller welcome welcome welcome. Yes thank you for having me on I. I love what you guys have been doing for all time for a long time. I have a TRS stickers. Still in my car and I I believe I'm the first person that paid kristen to a stream Stinky Dick. Wow the only I think the only person maybe I mean you say that again. Psa Asa friends made it. I liked it happy. Don't even remember that reference but the three of us and I don't even remember soon uh-huh stickers for trs or giving six away. I don't even know. I didn't even remember making stickers for Alex bought his first house. You weren't on that all that sticker money sticker price. I will make me very happy to hear. Thank you so much for sticking with us all the time and it's awesome to get to talk to you for Real Z's on on the show so let's jump in and start the way we always do with story. The week gives the story of the week story a young week we store the week is the part of the show where we make our case for the most important stories that happened in the world of games this week you can always submit stories for our consideration by sending us an email to deal see feedback at gmail.com or by visiting our sub read it that's DC. Excuse me that's five by five. DLC SEE DOT DOT com. I know things I know where things are That's an awesome group of people. Actually it's a really cool community visit frequently and that you should tell but todd you our guest to get first pick of stories. What would you consider to be your story of the week while? I'm not sure where you guys stand on the animal animal crossing. I am a Newbie myself. But my son is shown interest is a fourteen year old boy That loves Nintendo More so than I do. Probably and the other is news is about animal crossing the fact that they're going to limit your availability to play this In a way that would say it's consumer-friendly they're saying one island per console no system transfer no cloud saves and obviously the Internet The equals Internet outrage so It's kind of a crazy thing because we think we've moved beyond you know where you can play your game hike and play in fear of saves going away. An antenna seems to not really embrace that Ha Nintendo not embracing the industry standard on technology. That's crazy how many islands do you have in real life. Todd at least Intendo GonNa give you one island and Nicholas Cage is selling me one of his islands. Okay good point thanks tax reclaim we. I'm not. I'm not an animal crossing a Christian. I don't think you are either really. Are you or I will say this again and I will keep saying you. An animal crossing comes up. I bought the Mike for the we so that I could play animal crossing passing on my we with my brother in law and brother and their families and I've owned every version of animal crossing been released. The fastest deleted the mobile version version. Yeah yes so I guess Christian you'll be the one to to ask about this. Are You mad about the one island per switch. Are You mad about not being able to transfer your save data between consoles. Do you feel like this artificially limiting in for no good reason. Yes and yes and yes the the sad part and todd. I don't know kind of where you or your son. Come down on this but it's like am I giving it a pass because it's intendo and you you kind of expect things like this from them. I think so like it does seem ridiculous that the console manufacturer who seems to sound me the the most variants of their same console over and over and over again is the one that seems to repeatedly make difficult to move my things between said consuls. Cels an animal crossing has been more sharing friendly in the past The three D version was was very share. Friendly if you go back If the we version it's just you could put your save on your SD card. I believe and move it but it also with more of a home console than the switch. Where with the switch light and moving things over? It seems as if Nintendo's cloud saves like their system has it if you're a switch online member but not every game supporting it and the when messaging gets murky like this. I think it's highly problematic and I think it is anti-consumer because you can't sell someone on one promise and not deliver it across the board and I think to your point Jeff about stadium where it's like four K. researcher version before like it bothers me when you kind of shout from the rooftops helps like pay for our service and you get this stuff but like not not that game will why not that game. We don't That is a game. We make Yeah I don't know it it. It boggles my mind. It really does. Yeah more like animal staying in the right. No Cross saves the animal leave. But you stuck with your same. Yes so I guess. The the official text as translated by Kotoka says quote if you own two consoles please be aware that you you cannot move your island from console on which it was originally created. This was not the case with animal crossing new leaf which was the most recent animal crossing but is there any theories as to why they would want to do this. Is it just by more copies. A copy protection. Don't trade your thing in feels like an outdated method of doing that and to what end I don't know I have a lot of friends in in the intendo verse. That are really. I don't want to call them defenders but they they basically said Nintendo is saying this is a game they want you to play together like like you can only have one on a island proconsul because they want you to play with all of your family members to gather whether you play well or badly adly together so if my son decides to create a trash heap of Ostlund. Apparently I'm going to be okay with that. which could be okay? Okay but if you have children young children like my sister has loves her. Children love animal crossing but she has not district daughter. And if my nephew nephew came in and messed up her island that would not go well in her in her household and she doesn't want drama and I'm sure your wife does not want your children to be like like their jeff they're causing chaos because they're island is now a hot us. Can you fix it Yeah yeah that does sound like something. My wife would say The this sounds a lot like Animal crossing hardcore mode. You know it's it's AH animal crossing stays in animal crossing you best be on your best behavior in animal crossing But I totally feel todd that that is. That is a precarious thing. You're talking about family dynamics. You're talking about siblings. You're talking about this. This is a game that you can imagine people sharing hiring sharing these consoles among families And it doesn't seem it doesn't seem like the the right choice here but reassuring to see how this all plays out because Nintendo is is also saying that if you're switches broken lost or stolen that they're considering implementing a save data backup functionality but that will be limited to people who have the switch online subscription. It's just like well we can do it. We're happy to do it and I don't know it's very strange. Yeah and another. Another argument has been. There are apparently cheaters in the animal crossing rural to where they change the clock dupe items. And I'm just so curious about that because is it seems like does that really ruin it for anyone because it's not like a competitive game sound like I have more shells or bells or whatever they are so I'm better than you and it's GonNa GonNa make people unhappy. It's just a weird concept of ruining cheaters ruining for others where Nintendo could play on the understand. The commerce understand the economy me so th Seen someone gets billion bells you know just Bam the guy versus I guess banning everybody else from having say. I got my my Christmas letter in July. Yeah Christmas letters in this game right. I don't know anything but I'm sure. Yeah it's all about seasons. Yeah yeah in. My joke made sense. Hey all right. Well that's That's animal crossing in. It's coming soon. It's kind of one of the big switch game of the year for a lot of people and This seems seems really strange but Nintendo GonNa Nintendo. I guess Intendo GonNa Nintendo Chris Spicer. What is your story of the week? There are three three very big stories. That are pulling at my heartstrings. In there is a four story. That's not as big that. We'll talk about later. That is my whole rest of my heart the strings and then the other part it is strings and then rest string and rest. There's a lot going on okay where to start. Start where to start. III GOING TO START WITH OR PICK my story. The story that I am going to pick is that Dan houser said Said bye-bye drugstore. Yeah half brothers gone they founded Rockstar Games in Nineteen Ninety Eight Dan houser was the writer. or or CO writer of DTA five red dead to I guess he was lead writer on both of those other rockstars and very soon due march eleventh and Rockstar and I think parent company take two stocks. I forget the exact dip But it took a hit when this was announced and this feels like big news to me in the sense that the company this is a moment for the company to see what it is as a company versus what it was as these two individuals. And I don't know the company clearly has a very talented people. That work work there. But I think as we've seen in blizzard over the last four years or so and continue to see that or by aware that you know that's kind of put up or shut up times companies when these founders these visionaries these rock stars of the industry of the company move on what is left of Said company like. Are you a buyer by aware fan or are you a fan of the doctors curious issue at Rockstar becomes now with arguably the biggest voice of its. It's products moving on so it's an interesting company in that. They are notoriously tight lipped and yeah pretty much a PR free you know. They don't don't do a lot of You know under the hood behind the scenes type stuff That don't share a lot of their process with the world and and you would assume that someone who is the lead writer on games that are very narrative heavy will have a big footprint. Big Big fingerprints on those works and that it seems like it would be potentially very tough shoes to fill but you also don't know what the inner workings of that company are and and how many people contribute to the writing process. And you know who. How Much Sam is GonNa step up It's it's a hard. It's a hard thing to quantify I from my perspective because we just don't know a lot about how rockstar works but I think you're correct in saying saying that we certainly have a lot of examples of these companies take seem like institutions. That seem the. You're sure bets. And then a couple of key figures depart apart and all of a sudden. They're not what they once were and you know he don't know if that's that's a coincidence. If or you know one's a one's a fluke fluke Tuesday trend threes a problem. Who knows if this is? This is the kind of thing that might more hyme leaves blizzard and all of a sudden blizzard just doesn't behave like lizard at all anymore Is that certainly examples of the other way around to our like companies get better or continue on a trajectory Disney certainly had its ups and downs over. Its it's lifespan But it definitely has at its highest now than it ever. Walt left and Disney went away by left. I'm not trying to be dismissive. Came out weird. Walt passed on and other people took over stewardship with that company and it is doing great Marvel comics before they were sold at Disney also had some rough patches is did great so there are other examples of Nike While you're running into the vapor fly controversy. That's something else but yes it can go either way. And I'm curious to see which way Rockstar goes todd. Do you think this will impact like any upcoming games or anything. Do you think this is bigger. This is just kind of release this news in February. Because everything's everything's quiet now and people will forget about it. Come you know the summer e-3 or whatever. Well it's it's amazing the fact that GTE annualized franchise right Actually not it's obviously not so we don't know when. Gt six coming out obviously You know red dead. Redemption to the online is firing on all sender under cylinders GPA five potentially will launch on Nexen consoles with its online con content. And there's really no pressure to bring out the GTS six which is just crazy. Once they're gonNA do like a table tennis or weird bully or weird side story on switch I think they've got a lot a time to figure out where they need to be. I think there was one even Quote they said I don't know how we would parody the world in twenty twenty eh basis are are fictional world of GTA. So I mean it's it's a kind of a strange concept commentary absolutely but it's like it absolutely makes sense it's and and since GT launched. I mean think of what's actually launched tick tock all of the weird world. We live in FACEBOOK instagram. I mean it's even more so elevated. I don't know if this matters as much because the storytelling is going to be handled by other people The other pieces seemed like a finely tuned engine. That just happens so I I don't want to dismiss this creator but I think things things are in place for them to make this continue to go. I just think that what's lacking is what could rockstar do. That's different than what they've done in the past and I would like to see them. Try a different things Rather just continue to focus on the same franchises. I wonder if we're their money now. Already is to their money but is like GTE's online mode and red dead online mode where not narrative based right like keeps that game. I think duty five in the top of the sales every single month is all all of the other stuff you can do in it Kinda though self-made viral moments. I'm curious to see if we see you know Rockstar. Maybe pivot heavier in that way in just kind of creating these sandbox sandbox is or how important is that super stylish You know trailer cut scene moment of their worlds that they build to what they're are going to be making it in the future. That's a really good question and I think that that it's pretty clear that what they their track record points to the fact that they they have been very passionate about the narrative in their games and uncompromising and what I find to be most exciting about Rockstar is that they are buffered completely against having to bend to any outside pressure. They make so much money that they can do whatever they want. And there's something kind of exciting an interesting about I personally haven't found their products to be very compelling to me for quite a long time I mean I barely played any of redemption to and although I completed. UTA five story mode. I didn't enjoy very much of it. so to me. This isn't a huge loss. I find the big swings. They take and the level of commitment to minutia and at the time that they take the make their worlds and all of the things that make rockstar games head and shoulders above other developers in terms of Voghera similitude and just commitment to craft to be exciting still but I also think this could be an opportunity to make narrative. That's actually more something that I would like. So who knows who knows what we'll see in the future but I agree with you Christian. It's a big deal. Certainly not not a small deal that one of the the two biggest figures in their companies history is departing. But I will say man Dan. How's GonNa and have the best life now? Don't you think he's just going to have the best life. He's he's just has no worries about anything. Now I would I would guess. I'm projecting acting everybody has has these problems but man it just seems like he's he's just going to be surfing on a pile of money for the rest of his life on his one animal crossing island. Yeah I think you'll find something I don't know I feel like he's worked so hard for so long Again it seemed from the outside that I bet you'll see him write a feature. You're a Broadway play a TV show on HBO. Max or something. Like gotta get that he got this guy's got stories to tell. Yeah you're going to see something out of that. He got. I would love to see him. Do some great content for Nintendo Well that leaves me some juicy stories to pick from. I think I'M GONNA go with for my story of the week this interview with Phil Spencer of of xbox saying that Latte he considers their competitor xbox not to be Sony or Nintendo but Amazon and Google Google That Sony Nintendo are not playing in the same sandbox. Because they don't have cloud tech like Microsoft's Azure platform and that. That's really where xbox is competing with project X cloud and with Microsoft game pass that they are really services company and Nintendo and Sony are doing something that Microsoft is basically leaving behind signed The quote here is when you talk about Nintendo and Sony. We have a ton of respect for them but we see Amazon Google as the main competitors going forward. That's not to disrespect respect Nintendo and Sony but the traditional gaming companies are somewhat out of position. I guess they could try to recreate as your but we've invested. Tens of billions of dollars is in cloud over the year of years So the reason I think this is interesting is not just because it makes for a good headline which does but because I think this really shows an insight into something we've talked about on the show over and over again which is the future that Microsoft is positioning for. And the the idea of how we are all GONNA be playing video games in the future you know. I made a a cool cool ranch prediction at the end of last year about halo being on a Sony System on a Nintendo system on some other system the go ahead and prediction but I think this bolsters that that idea. I think this is what he's talking about. What is the idea that Microsoft gone are the days of the console wars so to speak? This is all about that next. He's you're fine taking the four hundred dollars once every five years. They want your ten dollars every month for five years. They want your commitment to their platform. They want they want to be The bartering every dollar that you spend online in their ecosystem and I think that is going to be ultimately a pretty awesome prospect for Gamers in the short term will. I don't no no in the long term but I think in the short term. I think that's going to be a pretty interesting thing where we are going to have the freedom to play things on anything we want. Things aren't going to be locked to consoles. Microsoft doesn't care anymore they don't care they wanNA create things that are compelling and then have you use their infrastructure to play those things taught him curious what your takeaway is from this quote and whether you think it's even accurate that they are not competing with Sony. Nintendo it's kind of a weird I guess Thought on it that it's really I feel like this is a Microsoft stance in xbox's writing that coat tail It it makes sense. I mean they have few competitors in the world of you know servers and cloud computing in. It's really Amazon Google In in quite honestly at this point we know Sony is going to be using. Those cloud servers the servers of xbox so in a way they've got them on board board In the short term. Yeah they're going to have to fight. Sony they're gonNA fight Nintendo four MINDSHARE OF GAMING As we know it today you're going to buy a console. Do things like that but I mean yeah I mean the future is going to be some type of Service that gets you games on whatever screen you own that makes total sense But in the short term. Yeah I mean I. It's kind of weird that they're they're pushing it off. I mean even Nintendo has had some type of online streaming. I think it was resident evil. Or whatever on their console. So it's it's a weird mixed message but I mean it makes total sense. This is what they're going after they want to own the streaming streaming future in it makes total sense. Because they're one of the few that can do it. Not many companies can actually invest that much of Their capital into this type of service and it just happened to be. It was Microsoft Office. That might that might company owns and uses To basically my data and have meetings with you skype and all those things so it makes total sense. Google is in a weird space because I don't know stadium is going to be there. Long term play and getting games to consumers sing with Amazon on we go there twitch service and we've got their fire devices but as of right now they're game Studios haven't delivered anything that is meaningful to anyone. So it makes sense in the long term short term It just seems to be a way for spill Phil Spencer to I guess Give Microsoft some pub. Well we definitely know that Amazon is working on a game service so we have. We don't know much about it yet. They haven't unveiled it And Google certainly does have stadium so I I think it's it's looking like those. Those companies are going to be competing on a very in a very unreal very direct way over that kind of service Christian. What's your take on all of this? I think there are a couple a couple of points in in one is i. I'll be the first to admit I don't understand like a cloud. Server Tech dominance right. It seems like everything uses Amos Jon or Microsoft for something ads for. Aws is like. Why do I need to add for that? I guess that a lot of people. We're also using Google services as well But if you think about a complete package as a Gamer like company that can do all of it while twitches which is spinning off their game service it sounds like and they're spinning up Original Ip game twitch Amazon Game Studios And Google has has stadium and they bought Outer were During his average planet. And they you know they have Jade Raymond there and they're working on games and stuff like that as well. It Microsoft I think has most of the pieces again assuming a juror is not as robust as they say it is and as it seems to be it seems like they. They're the closest to having all of the pieces ready to go right now. In terms of they have gaming market share. They have people that look to them for gaming that are fans. There's for gaming. They have an internal studios. That have been doing it for a long time. They have new internal studios. They have relationships with third parties. That are good and well established They have retail that's well established for however long that's irrelevant and then as todd mentioned they've been doing this cloud infrastructure stuff for years or decades. So it seems like they're very very well positioned to kind of fill the space. I think the question will be how quickly can Amazon and Google? We will spin up and they certainly Amazon. Google have the cash resources to you know. Go all in or go Walmart. You know should they want if they see long-term profit out of it to go in and and lose a whole bunch of money for quite a long time as long as they see dominance on the other end of it so I I think it's interesting the other point that I wanted to make that links to another story. We don't have to go into it. I don't want to move away from this but it was It Spencer's quote at the end quote at the end. Saying I don't WanNa be in a fight over the format wars with Nintendo and Sony while Amazon and Google are focusing on how to get gaming the seven seven billion people around the world. That's the goal which I think connects very well to mobile being act divisions biggest platform. Yeah let's let's wait on that transition though because I think there is a lot to talk about but but you're right I mean that's saying is that the the last point of this is the key we don't care about that five hundred million people that are buying boxes we care about as you haven't billion names to people anywhere everywhere however where that's that's the key I think Microsoft is well positioned to do it but then again I remember everybody laughing at when Microsoft entered the space With the first xbox right so to write google or Ormuz on off at this point seems woefully premature. And you take these these data points that we've been talking about over the last weeks and months the series x Ray being this title that was going to explain the strategy of the next boxes. What a series X? How does that explain the strategy and then we got You know they're going to be a number series of of things and we got this idea that you know there's not going to be any xbox series. He's exclusive games in the first year. They're going to support. Everything's GonNa Support Xbox one and you see a pattern here that Microsoft oft is not playing the same game that has been traditionally played in Camp Console. Generations this is not the they have decided. That's not what they're doing. They're not doing playstation five or four the next big number that is okay go out by the next thing is going to be a bunch of games on that next thing. We're we're GONNA support that for five years then you buy the next thing. We're going to make games for that thing that that I don't think is what they've decided. Their strategy is going to be going forward food and it is a paradigm shift. This is a new methodology for the industry. And it's going to be interesting to see if that forces the hand of these other companies companies. If if Sony is really going to have to adapt or if they're gonNA continue playing the playstation five playstation six strategy Because because I think Microsoft is saying it's just not how it's GonNa work anymore. It's GonNa work more like phones and the phone market is more fluid things work across multiple multiple generations and it is all about making these things accessible and you have freedom to play anywhere at anytime and we're accessing assessing people that haven't played that haven't so to speak played that game that game of generational upgrades like that's that's not what we're interested in anymore we're interested in a much more Open lifestyle of getting these getting this content to people wherever and however and making them You know invest in an infrastructure and a lifestyle that is not a single single transaction. A question for you guys And we think about Amazon who is providing more low cost devices than Kasan. Amazon has their fire tablets. you know android. Google has low price phones. Microsoft doesn't play in in those areas. They still have to get on those devices in. Its that's an interesting viewpoint if you think about it if they want to be on the screens to get get permission to be on those screens and they have to go to provide those are you talking about open platforms absolutely apple right. Yeah closed no garden android android is a much more open plainfield. And they're already. I mean already excluded basically only android right so That Microsoft come on. I Love I love x cloud hype. Exactly yeah our phone on my IPAD. Yeah so I think I think that's not gonna be as big an issue for them. It will it will be interesting to see if Amazon and Google leverage those things I mean we've already seen stadia work more hand in hand with the Pixel so phone etc so you know this is all these talkin monopoly level corporations at this point we're not talking about you know a little Little little mere global electronics corporations. This is the we've moved beyond just global electronic to monopoly level cross Tan universal service providers. So you know the stakes stakes are just going to expand it. What's going to happen his ear? What's going to happen is before we even realized that is Alonzo the best one with all those satellites? They've been shooting appendice. My car is already a Great Console Yonsei I sent you that but this relates. Now that we're here that tastes Dr or do values on my car now. No released as my car. Do you become your car. Jeff what do you ever come out of your car. I mean it right now now. That's right that's what I thought but I bought it used Tesla that had autopilot on it and then when the new person bought at Tesla turned it off and they said Nope you didn't pay for for that like video games are everywhere on disk. DLC that's right you're in the car but you can't use it in it. Yeah clouds as not supported. He only had one island on Okay so let's do that transition that you That you jumped into Christian and talk talk about the earnings call that activision had Talking about how mobile is their future. They they basically said call of duty. Mobile has been such a massive success for them that it is going to turn the battleship that that is activision change the trajectory of that battleship. And send it into a another stratosphere and I think we've already seen a lot of indications of that with regard to You know franchises being fewer and farther between with activision but now oh they said that mobile dwarfed the amount of money that they made in other platforms and and that The call of duty player base has gone from forty million before mobile to one hundred million following doing the launch of mobile and as a result of this mobile is now the company's lead platform means mobile first everything else secondary secondary. This is activision. We're talking about the call of duty people. The people just a couple of weeks ago we were talking about having owning V.. Top spots of the decade was at seven seven of the top ten spots of the decade were call of duty on on consoles. No no longer the top priority. Now it is mobile because mobile. has that kind of reach. The publisher also sees an opportunity to sell in game. mm-hmm adds a standard tactic with free to play games but it can It it has yet to roll those out in a major way says the article But also thanks to the success assess activision says that they are already working on quote High Quality Mobile Games for all of their most important franchises China so get ready so call of duty and call of Duty Blizzard Games. I mean they are Diablo overwight. Yeah Yeah Sky Lenders are crash. Is that activision. There were rumors that leaked the endless runner. It can't imagine activision Asian is going to be the only major publisher coming to this conclusion. Christian you wanted to make this transition so I'll go to you first. What what what do you make of this? Well I mean it again. hearkens back to two years ago blizzard con where it's like you all have phones. You know it is. It's a different version of cloud gaming. We're just trying to reach people on the thing. They already own right like no dinosaurs. This is what I this is the conclusion. I'm coming to Christian weird dinosaurs. Yeah I mean I think it's part of like oh it's so annoying annoying concerts. Everyone's just holding their phone upper. Everyone's always taking pictures everywhere and the thing is people used to do that before but it required carrying a camera with you and most times you bake. I left my camera at home. Do you want to take the picture now. You don't think of yourself as a photographer but everybody owns a really good camera and in have with them almost all the time so they're always using it. Everybody has a pretty Dang good Video camera again using it often. Everyone has is a very sophisticated in highly powerful gaming console with them all the time people are using it and they don't consider themselves gamers but they find themselves using it again and again and again in its reaching people where they are with what they have the it makes sense in that regard. The thing that scares me about it is just the way that mobile games race to the bottom in terms of cost east and in the way they look to monetize most of their players in that the approach that many mobile gamers have either accepted or more cynically perhaps been tricked into Accepting the form of payment that otherwise There some outcry against and other forms for like even Microsoft first announced xbox points or whatever they're called credits it was like five hundred. Eighty points is four dollars. And you're like wait what. How does that? That doesn't Mobile Games. Many of them not all use that to the tenth degree where there's five different currencies. They translate to different things and use. You use real money in to do this do that. And before you you don't like I did. I wanted I do and then you spent ten bucks in like. Oh She's ten bucks but then you did that again again tomorrow or the next day or the next day and I think that's the thing the aspect of this that scares me the most as a dinosaur for the games I like playing. It's where it's like. I will always play games in someone out. There will always make games that I enjoy. That are for me but I don't think it's going to be this type of game. That activision is so excited about right. Now you say that you loved call of duty mobile you raved about it right. I I thought launched. It had a very compelling package at launch. That didn't seem heavy. Handed on its micro transactions. I deleted it it off my phone after activision the whole Hong Kong thing. I know that no companies perfect I am hypocrite by supporting other companies And so I have not followed. Its trend to how it right but those those things aside as a product you were pretty positive about it like you. You talked about how they did it. They brought call of duty to mobile. And you thought it was a pretty effective version of the game. Do you think that I mean listen. I'm on your side here. I'm challenging you on your point. Agree with everything you've said so far but I do remember you being pretty positive caused about the game as a game and I think you know. Maybe there's this universe where they repeat that and they bring lots of franchises and you know Diablo blow immortal is very very good and these games are excellent games. Yeah I hope so. Blue Mortal Didn't have any monetization in. It certainly played well the the last time I played it on a nice big IPAD. I think for me in while I really did like call of duty mobile when it came on I thought it was a good port. It it still isn't my ideal way to play a game. But I think that is because I am a dinosaur in. I think that goes to for a lot of other. Gamers out there that they it is their first game. Console is there are found they have it. That's how they're used to playing things so that is their preferred way to play. I think the question throwback to Jefferson and todd as well. I'm curious how long until other already are some examples. But it's more common that the large franchise comes from phones or immobile. We have to wait for a PC or console port where it's kind of rent an inflection point right now right where if a call of duty wasn't call of duty I don't know if it would have been as popular if the same game under a different name you know with very close to these classic maps but not these maps that you know from the console's launched I it's because it had that recognition of this major Ip same with Diablo right. It's Diablo but you could say that about black. Ops I mean you could say that about the next sequel to call of duty. If it was some other name wouldn't well. My question is Mike. My question is it's kind of like comic books right like comic books. Fed these these big blockbuster movies that had this large recognition and fan base because of the comic books. How long until the comic books don't matter and it's just this big marvel releases uses a big superhero movie? That is starring a new character. That debuted in that movie. That isn't based on a thing in mobile's the same thing like activision releases. Their next big franchise is mobile. Only like when does that become the starting point. I don't think we're that far off while no I mean clash of clans is that you know. That's what that is. It's a huge game. That is just a mobile game. Yeah and that's where the mobile global game is feeding the audience. Rather than old franchise is a seating to the mobile world. My son would tell you. That duty doesn't matter for his age group fourteen year olds. I mean he's got a moral g phone And I was funny. Because he's played clash clans. They actually asked me for money He doesn't spend a lot though but he's always always onto the next thing But the game I I was riding the school. The other day in the game he was playing was called Egg Inc.. And I love this. It's a game about a chicken farm and making the most stags so I don't know of color do I'm just curious who is the democratic for demographic for duty mobile because I don't know if younger players like the under sixteen set really care that much about call it diddy so I don't know if it's a it's Nike that really grabs them versus others versus with her her With they've grown up with. which is it's the the the the thing of the moment? It's the Thing they can play for free because mom and Dad. Let's get that Um mm-hmm and Mesa was actually washing play of Kalyan console and I was saying. Hey it's for US mature Blah Blah Blah but There is a cool multiplayer mode. He complains like Doc. It's okay I'm GonNa go play tabs on my pc 'em do this. And that. So I don't know I don't know if this is just a bunch of old farts playing on their phones when they're on the toilet. Todd I would I I would totally agree with you. Because that's that's the thing I would take away if you would ask me several months ago I would say oh call of duty. Mobile is going to be a subset set of the total call of duty players. It's going to be people who already love call of duty going. I can play it on mobile except for the fact that there's this sixty million extra people that seemed to have played it that the numbers that are coming from activision say our audience for for call of duty is forty million and our audience for call of duty. Mobile is one hundred million so I don't know where that extra sixty million people came from. You know that that's a that's a heck of a lot of people that I guess didn't play they call of duty until they could play it on their phones. And I think that's that's what this new stories about his activation going. Oh look how many more people there are. There are willing to try our games then there were when we just put them out on boxes that you have to buy for four hundred dollars. I Wonder Jeff The answer to that question is the the difference is that it is in. You know different territories that it wasn't in on boxed retail copy those agreements weren't sold before. Maybe I can't believe that seems like a huge number to just say well it's you can buy in stores instead of China India. You don't think you can by calling them. I bet you can. I bet you can buy off ignorant. I I got banned in Russia right. NPS for the late. They didn't allow the cause of the some of the things that are going on there. So I I think the first person shooters in China specifically in Asia have not been that popular with older players but maybe with younger players. It's finally getting some traction. What was certainly only out of our depth as far as the market analysis but it is nonetheless very fascinating and I think it's going to be a trend that is not going to be just limited to activision? I think we're GONNA see this is happening. And this is why Osama dinosaur. Because I'm a person that wants to play the best games on the biggest screen and that's what I want as as excited as we get even about all of this cloud and stadia and whatever else a a streaming future convenience Is Nice but at the end of the day. I'm much more excited about sitting down in front of my big league for K television and getting the best image I can on the biggest screen into the best sound system. Where do you usually play your switch? Well well that's a completely different. Because I'm playing. I go to switch for a specific experience is better placed better on your TV. I know but if I'M GONNA HAVE TV time I'm just not playing my switch You know what I'm saying and I don't think that's the case here. I don't think you you you're saying these sixty or this one hundred million people bowl is I mean maybe it is. Maybe it is pure convenience and it's it's more likely that it's a whole bunch of people that just don't have access to television to play off yet. COST HIM UNITA console. It's free to download the phone all the time. And that's your computer like that's there's a heck of a lot of people for whom that is is the beginning and ending of their computer like the the their phone is the thing that they do everything on and It's certainly the case in a lot of other countries where the the phone has become the PC for people so there's probably a lot of people for whom it's just I prefer I use my phone because that's the thing that I do everything on right and I have everyone has it's a personal device. Do you know the saddest thing about you being a dinosaur Jeff. Millions of years from now. You won't even grind you up in us you in your car. No I'd be useless even to myself. Yeah you're just worthless you're not even like a valuable resource that ruins the earthly. I'm I'm saying get off. Get off my fossils. You know what I'm saying. I tell people to stop using me. uh-huh Alright speaking of using me That does not transition at all but I do want to thank our sponsor sponsor hellofresh. 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Force now but it is absolutely a player and they're doing some things that are much smarter than those other companies that we've been talking about right absolutely So I wanted to try this out because I have a gaming laptop so it's a little on the old side now it's three years old it's got a GT axed twenty ten sixty with six gigabytes of video. Rams I'm like that's awesome but it's not that great very compared to other some like there's going to be a time when I need my laptop to play the the newest latest best whatever but I can still buy those games on steam epic games or wherever and that's why I wanted to give this a try They have a free trial. It's a hour long. It gave me a countdown but could Basically install this remotely. It's like basically basically a virtual pc where the running the servers You need a PC. Need a Mac acker or or other Like I g I think it's there's other options you have have as well but I did on my gaming laptop I play the witcher I owned the witcher. I love the witcher It looks very good. I might be three S. which are three? Yeah absolutely so I picked up it loads up. Your cloud saves your fantastic and I played it in looked on par with what my gaming PC could do. it's a fast. I didn't see any gaps any slowdown or anything like that picked on my cloud saves it installs it remotely which is Kinda Cool But it looks for all of your services where you own on them Where we have them and I liked it? I can use a gaming Basically xbox controller your mouse and keyboard wherever you want to do and it was great And it makes me think what kind do with my laptop. Now that it's not going to support ray tracing and things like that and some games will so I really I really can't speak highly Leonov. This is giving you more choice. What you own in only charging you really five dollars a month to play him anywhere? That's pretty awesome Christian a lifetime lifetime ago. You and I did a comedy sketch about the the launcher for launchers. Yeah they they did it. This is really a launcher for launchers and it actually works pretty well on the G. Four's now right. Yeah yeah it is like a remote launcher launchers as an add some clarity to potential clarity to at toutes talking about currently to tears. It's open for everybody. There is the free tier where you can play one hour consecutively. At which point at the end of that hour you need to kind of re enter the queue for server time but you can play as many hours as you wish you. It'd be in one hour chunks in the 499 A month package where they say it will likely go up after twenty twenty but right now it's four ninety nine four. I like the pro tear here. Which gives you ray tracing enabled and games? I played Wolfenstein. Youngblood with ray tracing On a MAC book via force now founders condition. They're calling it or founders. Model Serum stopped being a founder and you WanNa founder always found on. Don't found you know I've been found Yeah I found it and that is six hours of consecutive playtime and again you can kind of re go in again but then also also no waiting or priority waiting queue time to get in on these virtual services that one thing though that I find to be a little Worrisome as this this idea of a queue this idea of a wait time well I agree. I think it is right now very well one as a founder. I never encountered countered any that seemed lengthy. I think also founders privileges what you got and also I should say it is found privilege. thank you in video. I I was very much willing to pay for his finger. On the trigger to pay for but I was given access to the founders thing to play around with and talk about it special jacket like yellow jacket that they give you owe deduction either jacket founders privilege. It's so good. Oh you're it's a tesla becomes a jacket no jackets. NO TESLA'S I haven't encountered any queuing as a founder. But I think I think speculating that it is a pragmatic way to handle the idea of the set of because they're not Amazon. Maybe they're using Amazon Masan but like you know instead of having a bazillion servers ready and no one's using them or having not enough. There's a huge line trying to find that balance right and so as long as the wait. Wait time isn't overly cumbersome Or used to drive people toward the founder thing. Where it's like you're you can play which are three in in two hours or for five dollars you can play it now? Like that doesn't seem great but I kind of understand it right I I kind of it is pretty wild eld watching it find all the games that you own across all your disparate things saying hey some of these games work real great on their service. I want you to click. Click like okay here. We go in and it's like this labyrinth. Ian It feels like one of those eighties hacker movies where it's like. It's floating a program that loads the second program the third program. It's like oh no problem. We read away Mr Founder Sir and then it goes loads up your other front end loads up bure like your your your. EA now or you're you're right like open steam and you log into steam or it opens ubisoft. But that's the launcher you log. In in and loads it onto a virtual machine is not like it loads but does the launcher. And then you have to type in your thing. It's like it's doing it all for you watching it happen into some bizarre server farm arm somewhere and it's lugging as you and then it's like okay. We got hang on. We're going to download the patch and all work and it's going to load it right up. Don't worry just it was just it takes the second is. It's a very strange thing. But KINDA RAD it is. It's very cool. It's not quite as like instantaneous. Or seamless as stadium when it works works because like stadiums your game. You're playing it in here. It's like you can play with an young blood. Sure Okay Click Thessalonica and then if it's the first time log in is is there and then click in. It's GonNa the differences you already own you already own. That gave it up to buy it again like you. Doin' stadia correct again. I think the argument for stadiums that you'd did not buying it again. That's just where you buy it unit but yes but yes it it goes in. Some of the Games are very supported other games are they. Call like single instance instance game so each time you have to log in again or install it. It's not like a real time install. It's very quick for all the Games. I tried You have to log in and install it and so of that game supports cloud saves great. You can take it with you. But if it doesn't those single instance games you'll kind of be starting again from zero like it hasn't divorce now doesn't have all the pieces together but it is a very compelling and at this point is someone who has turned off their auto renew on their Google Stadia founder a subscription it is I I think a far more compelling approach to it than What state is offering? I think todd hit the nail on the head. Words like it's games you own or you buy so if you're at home and you have a beefy ragged play them on. That's what you'll be using but if you're not and you have you know good wifi device to play it on yet go Grind through some side quests on the witcher place destiny you know go do some missions and Wolfenstein and was wild to that. Yeah now todd if he gets the founders tear cheer can play Wolfenstein with Ray tracing on via streaming whereas his very powerful gaming laptop. Can't run it with Ray. Tracing it's the future is is why I think I I e kind of glossed over that fact of like you. You have the game. If you have the game locally you can just play it locally and I think that's a really for me that's a big deal in the sense that stadium you are going to be streaming the game no matter what and stadium hasn't proven to me that's that's streaming it from their servers makes it better. They said that it would they said Oh. Will it's the equivalent of eleven xbox one strung together you know but I haven't seen any evidence to that if that becomes the case then I will change my tune and say oh it's better to streaming stadium because they've got these mega servers that are going to be better than any rig I could have. That's just a single computer but until that day I prefer this method because my local computer. Yeah I wanted. If I'm playing on my local P.. Pc that has a you know a great graphics card in it. I WANNA play that but if I'm away and don't and all I've got is my crappy little chromebook. It's pretty cool that I can also stream it so we we kind of hijacked your Your playlist their time to do that. But I you know it's I think you're right. That g four now is a pretty compelling product a huge fan. Yeah it was really cool to get a little bit of confusion. I try to play the Ukulele game that I owned on epic. It's the one that's the it's it's the two div one versus the three D.. One on epic but it tried to kept finding it on steam which was a little bit confusing to me. Because I don't own it there obviously and I was hoping maybe I could play again. That had retracing sport. But I don't own any of those suddenly is our demo. I don't know only supports four hundred games currently so it's kind of a mishmash of What's going to be now versus what it's going to be in the future and specifically I think for Mac gamers? I think this is a big entry point because quite honestly mackey merge like the Red Stepchildren. Uh of PC owners they don't have much there and they have steam but they're like. Oh I can only buy these games if it would open the door for them to play Hiran Games. That's kind kinda cool and I think apple's not willing to offer that to them in. This would be cool way to do it so I think that's a a cool thing to offer and once again it's another way to open my gaming gaming pc for more longevity than it currently probably will have go. What else is on your playlist? Well Jeff I feel like you are are the entry point to rogue likes Fermo Nice Roebling osteen rogue legacy was a game that I'm like I will not like this game. It's rogue like I am an old man I have so limited time I WANNA be able to save my progress and move on but rogue legacy changed my world. I loved it. My son loved it. He thought this is so cool. Will how you can progress. Change your children to have different capabilities like they're they're they're colorblind. Different things are loved it but when you talk about children more time like you you know what maybe I'll give this one a try so it's on Game Pa. Ah Game Pass with xbox. I tried it in. This game has beautiful The fact that it like zooms out out in you've got Pixel Art. That looks completely different when zooms out in it doesn't look like Pixel art anymore. It looks like a beautiful Just a different artistic styles. Hi You haven't seen before the density of the pixels whereas it zooms out the the pixels that were big and Chunky and you know very Sixteen bit close up the. There's a density to them as it pulls out and that the detail in in all of that art really is accentuated. It's an it's an awesome perfect. It's put to good use in that game. Yes like stained glass just beautiful and I'm not good at this game. But it's really compelling and when I saw that the has co op and like my sons play with me 'cause he will carry me forward but I just love it. It's just it's just really cool about the the the the really. The narrative is what keeps me. I'm coming back now. You die in keeps telling you more and more you have a a mother. That's grieving for children that are gone and and and the different relatives tips talking about the sun that they he trained with knives and now he's gone as well and it just really just I. It just really brings me back versa You know a rogue like which is typically just play again and get better and this makes me more compelled because I love I love storytelling in this really takes Rogue likes and storytelling takes it to the next level. So I'm looking to do more with it but right right now. I'm horrible at it dying. I've got the dad and the the The the the daughter th that is an archer and I'm not a really good at arching so arching sure yes. I'm hoping to do more in. Get my son in there because I think it will be much better experience with experience. So it's but it's really great so delighted that it's on game pass So I hope people give it a chance because I played it on on steam in. It's great on pc but just having it there as part of a game pass subscription in his fantastic so children of mortar. Yeah don't don't don't sleep on that one no no The next game is control. You you guys have talked about this game It's funny because you had Luke Laura on the podcast. He's a good friend of mine He gifted me control on. xbox problem is I have an xbox one asks Christian. You've talked about the issue with performance. In how're current councils are struggling with higher demanding reading games so I was lucky enough to get the game on game fly to play on my ps four pro. And I love this game I cannot. I cannot sit sit down I just want to keep playing it the narratives fantastic I love remedy storytelling. The only thing I'm worried about is the The the map in the I guess you'd call it Of the Path finding is horrible. Just like jet I The last The last Jedi game I played The the the the path finding horrible I. I don't know we need to to get into gaming to become the great map creators of the future but please fixes. I can't tell if it's a level below level above how do I get there. Is that a dead end is really where I need to go. And I feel like spending so much my life not knowing where to go and games that I'm just aging as I speak and I want to be able to play the game not worry about where to go but this game is fantastic confused about the the leveling op but the storytelling. The game plays fantastic so satisfying when you get that throw mechanic and you have telekinesis and you can just lay way to to everybody need like. Oh there's a Pal Jack I'm GonNa Throw it at you. Thank you very much. It's so satisfying. I absolutely love it. The only thing I'm worried about is remedy has really struggled in their last boss Quantum break of that game I gave up after that loss boss. I felt it was unfair. IT changed the game in unsatisfying unsatisfying fashion so I'm hoping they nail it here but I absolutely love this game so todd real quick. You're you are where you're meant to be in the game and in life life. Don't look for where you're supposed to go appreciate where you are but where I am is in this corner and I can't figure out get out of it. Enjoy the like coroner during the corner for my tips would be one. Also you don't need a butter US stop by talking about. Children are mortified. Jeff Control to top games of the year. But we we like you more now. I'm replacing one of my children with you. You can move in. Its pro tips for control. The map honestly did not bother me. Play it on PC. So I don't know if it's I could just get get it loaded in and out come on it's bad it's bad but honestly did not bother me but two. I did not use it as much because I used the in world silage exclusive in cat. But even that I I I heard you say that and I did a lot of that and even that it. It's not as clear as it could be and there could be one way more in game. Signed like if they wanted they see they should just leaned into that and made that the thing and not have the map. which is there to? It's very frustrating. And I I don't. I'm not saying that I'm not saying that you were taught are wrong. I am saying that for me. It did not bother saying you're wrong. I'm saying I'm right. No no no no. I'm just saying that it. I didn't bother very little issue. It is bad it is bad but I think tiger fee for the win But yes that's an excellent game it was the DNC game of Twenty nineteen so We all agree. It is a fantastic. Even if it has some minor flaws kristen spicer you have a very long playlist as well not I do. We will start with the only exclusive game on Stadia guilt. It is currently free if you are a pro or founder. That's funny gilts. Cost me one hundred twenty nine dollars in Stadia. Now you gotTa Chrome Cast Ultra. The controller. Still got a little guilt though. It is free so if you have not Mike I'm still currently mainly my pro. Sub is still active until until the nineteenth is when it in. My new doesn't kick in a minute. is currently the free aim which I'm glad it is but also I I understand it's tough to buy game on stadia because there's only like twenty and so chances are the game you want GonNa be the free one next time next But guilt was the launch exclusive. The Solange exclusive by Tequila works. I believe I don't have it in front of me but I'm almost certain to kill works Wow I wrote the game off off I would have did not have it on my radar I watched you know like the little sizzle trailer for it. And that's it and I kind of saw the art style and just wasn't the pulled in by it Had I not given it a fair shake and known what it was or tried it Before the game came out I almost certainly would have bought it on launch. It is a legit whore game like not grotesque grotesque core in the way that if your kid walks in the room. They'll have nightmares. But it's limited. Resources Stealth avoiding enemies. He's using your flashlight Collecting resources to solve small puzzles in the atmosphere. The Art style to me. I didn't think the art style. Look that impressive On a flat screen but like a flat image but playing it the way it animates the soundtrack is so creepy. It's like I got Danny Healthman vibes from it. I have not rolled credits yet. I believe it's maybe eight hours long But I can't play it for long. Stretches it his body inducing. It is very creepy subtle ways of like you think a room is cleared out. And then you kind of revisit revisit it to backtrack and then something new is there are more powerful enemy is able to follow you in a way. You didn't expect before and like you're hiding in an air vent but then it goes the first person viewing all of these things that were games in the in the thriller. Suspense Games have done before. But the way guilt put the package together and I think the way they present it in this. It's kind of cartoony childlike Aesthetic to me really kind of upped it because it seemed unexpected versus like resident evil or thing comes comes at you and it's jaw drops and all the stuff shoots out of its mouth or whatever you're like. Yeah that's gross You're expecting the scare but guilt I was. It's very very surprised if you still have stadia pro- It's free right now. I would definitely recommend checking it out and seeing if you like it as well I I was blown away really really impressed. You haven't tried it Jeff. I have not no. I just wanted to reiterate that's called guilt and it's on stadia guilt currently exclusively on Stadia. I played some ape out. It is on game pass on. PC game that you have raved about jail I really liked it. I felt like I saw all all of it by the time I finished the second I danced it. Let me say that. Yeah he didn't finish it your dentist it. I didn't finish it damage it. I played the first two albums and I was like this. It's really cool in the third album started and I was like that was cool game and there's not much not a ton of different albums But I think that it just does what it does so well and I think that it does switch things up from you know location to location is. You're you're a but you're each album mm-hmm a such as it is is Putting you in a completely different environment which I found different enough to be interesting. Sounds like you did not. Yeah Yeah I did not. I think it's because the partly to blame is the game pass nature of it like I didn't have any real skin in the game. Play this and it was a Sunday afternoon or whatever and I played for a few hours I played it in which three still calling that there are other games that are like I have and I'm invested in. That are kind of calling calling me to put more time into But again if you have game pass alternator game pass on P. C. Very very easy to recommend in play with headphones with a good A good sound system. The jazz it again is also like anxiety. Inducing in in a way that you wouldn't expect for that type of music to maybe be it's so good about out is different. It's so unique. It's a such a unique game. I love it. Yeah it's really well done We mentioned Wolfenstein. RT destiny to deforest is to give on talk about that. Snuck up on me is Scorch bringer it is also on game pass on PC. I believe it's also on steam early early access. I came across headline could talk polygon. DESTRUCTOR Games Bhattarai. Jian one of the Internet on on Internet Not Games Industry Biz Love Games Industry Dot Biz but this was not where that headline came out and it was like if you like Seles but wish it had more swords and I was like I Love Celeste. Celeste swords. I'm Ed so scores. Bring her it is in my opinions. Scourge bringer scourge urge Gorge Kerr's or skorge scourge but I could be wrong S. C. O. U. R. G. E. A B. R. I. N. G. E. R. Sluggish Scorch. Just did A. I just googled it in. Its scourge guys scourge champ. hoops was I saying. skorge scourge bringer GEICO. Well at least Senate can't be mad at us for not saying the name of this game and it just looked at a trailer for Christian does look like Celeste with a lot more anger. So it is it is Celeste. Meets dead cells sells meets Catan zero. So if you took three of my very favorite games from recent history in combined them that's what Scorch Wrong in my head named scourge bringer scourge ringer. Thank you stores ringer stopping often tied. You're fired I don't care how much control bring her Brian. Her skirt springer is it is absolutely phenomenal so so it has the platforming it so far. I'm not very good at it like that sells it takes me to kind of find my rhythm and these games but likes the last. You have an Air Dash you. You can wall climb Side scrolling side scrolling side view Tutti. And you're going into rooms like dead cells. It is procedurally generated Ed. In the in the micro the macro is there are kind of set levels and bosses that you go through but also like dead cells you collecting instead of souls. It's blood and there are vendors in the map where you can use the droplets. You've collected to get weapons or health or stuff like that. Then they're also these towers I forget what they're called You can unlock a like a permanent upgrade for the rest of that run kind of thing and then you can also get points. I forget what they're called I apologize Like but some long term point for your larger skill tree. That is a permanent unlock. So you know you can have five percent more. HP or due to expert A sword damage in new. Keep that even after you die. And it's very similar to dead cells that when you die you're kind of back at the starting point with this the other characters in that you talk to due to trick cash those in and then jump back in and replay but when you go back while the tile set an enemy set of that level are the same. The layout of the rooms are different. In which enemies you encounter are different in each room. Similar to Lance's scourge bringer. Nice Ace is one screen essentially Each room that you enter as one screen and they're already enemies populated in the the world when you get there in the room when you get there but it seems like almost every room after you take out that initial batch of in an enemies new enemies will spawn Before the the level unlocks near able to move onto the next part into the next Tile so to speak and the combat because it has that Celeste like Air Dash Movement but it also kind of a Catanha's Zero Sword Air Dash. You know you can keep attacking in the air to keep yourself floating bouncing off enemies to recharge your Air Dash to slice into somebody else And you also have a gun or firing mechanic it. My my goodness totted Jeff. This this game is the first game of twenty twenty. I keep a note on my phone. This is the first game that I wrote down as potential top five game of the year for me pronounce it away. Scratch Brampton my game for you argue of the year for flagging against Marvin scourge bringer. It is an early access. It's also on game pass on. Pc If you have game pass alternate or game pass us on PC. I cannot recommend enough. They said they're going to tweak. You know they're they are working on. I think much like dead cells. I Know Jeff I remember you raved about dead cells before the rest of US please is played it as early on. I cannot imagine what's that. Yeah you do that children more another one. I cannot imagine that that scores Springer does not end up everywhere at some point After the kind of balance or tune things and change talk to a word that does dumbed the music the effects the pixel effect behind. When you're damaged the whole screen will shake and it's it's fantastic fan tastic in its rogue like as well? I guess I mentioned that with the dying whatever. Go ahead yeah. I think the only thing that I think will keep it from hitting the satisfaction. I had a Gimmick Seles. I think as a Gamer. I prefer not the procedurally generated levels. I kind of like the thrill of perfecting a thing that I know is going to be the same when I get to less versus yes. It's rest or mega man or donkey Kong or Glauca Malay Versus this little bit of I feel like I am better. But I'm good enough to beat the game but the game just gave me a hard run and Bryant right right right. Yeah you never know. If it's just you just got unlucky with the Algorithm did get my million. Infant universes is my time to be dead. Cells was my second playthrough. That's when I had the best low down but I got but scourge bringer incredible game. I cannot recommend enough. Go check it out well. We got a theme this episode evidently and it is rogue like words Christian. Can't say that to every episode took the. I love the fact todd that you said that I sort of helped you Learn to love rogue likes. I guess I'm learning learning this week. I really really driven drove it home. which is funny to say because of how long I've been raving about rogue lakes but this week it really drove it home home how much I truly love that genre I really do? I never would have described myself as somebody but it seems it seems to be that all these games that are rogue blacks are my favorite games. And I'm GonNa talk about two today one is I you know we joked about how I I'm the guy that says it before. Everybody's sometimes this one. I'm very late to the party. It isn't early access. But I finally got around to buying Haiti's on the epic game store which is the new supergiant? The giant Games game. I'm a huge fan of supergiant games mostly on the back of bastion which I think is still one of the great games of all time I it's in there making a play for my top five of the decade of bastion it is just exquisite And the Games that have followed up from supergiant bastion Never quite lived up. But I'm here to tell you that what I have played of. Haiti's is the game that has come closest closest at it it is closest to recapturing the perfection that bastion Haiti's is real good and I've been waiting to buy it it until it was out of early access but so many people have told me. Just get it now and so I did this week and it's extraordinary extraordinary. First of all visually unbelievable the visuals in this game. The animation the art style these sort of thin in line look of very hand-drawn. Its own things. supergiant really has crafted their own aesthetic. It is a very Specific aesthetic I supergiant the art. That is hyper detailed but very clean and then that sort of voice over driven narrative thing. They they do all the time. Haiti's has both of those i. I love the look of this game and it's interesting. It does support ultra-wide screens which I like. But it doesn't in the very strange way it actually places art on either edge so instead of black bars on the left and right for the ultra-wide it has art. That's there that doesn't change static but somehow it makes it better somehow it's still high heels like feels cool because the screen is full of this vibrant beautiful awful art that is throughout the game and I'm like yeah we're more places to just do this. Just add the you know like you know in a bunch which of those old retro Arcade Games came out on xbox live arcade a decade ago and they would put like the the cabinet art around the edges to what third what they're doing here with ultra-wide But I think it makes a better. It makes it better so anyway. That's cool but the game is pure action rogue like And like bastion new weapons that you get in the game. which in this game you have to you accumulate Keys that are that are that you can earn through the levels to purchase The new weapons completely changed how the game is played and and they all have variety of attack types and hold down the button to do certain things and just tap the button to a certain thing. And then it's got a ranged attack and it's so it's fun just like in bastion to get a new weapon because it changed the game completely A lot of rock lakes are like the dentals is like that too but this game even more so it really becomes your only attack your only method of of defeating enemies and It's a blast. It's got a lot of style. Style points has got a lot of really wonderful Flourishes this game like for example anytime you go through a door it shows you. It has like a little full sphere. A little like Snow Globe looking thing on the door that shows you what the big reward for clearing that room is going to be Shoes which door to go through based on what reward you'd like to earn so which is great because you're going. I'm going for keys this this run or going for Gems to try to buy upgrades that will persist through different runs. or I'm and low on health and the only way to get more health in this game is to buy ed or a win it by finishing around so you can look for the doors that will give you health because you're on low and health. It really is a resource. That doesn't rejane. Does it recharge. It is hard to come by. So that's super cool The enemies are super cool in wild. It borrows things from Diablo. Where you'll go what it's called head? S had had us hot RB eighties eighties. Eighties is the name of the game But it borrows things from Diablo. Where like you know? You'll go to a room in the enemy's we'll be supercharged in some way and different so the same enemies you've been fighting in other rooms now. Have a special adjective that changes how they behave and makes them harder. adjectives just as a curse word. Too much heat is is very very good and I would recommend people. Don't wait for it to come out of early access because they're constantly upgrading. The game changing it. They added new a whole new like expansion level mount content. Evidently what I wanted to ask. What do you do you think it is just like these? He's rogue likes are often in early access for balanced tuning. Like what do you think is in their heads. Do not come out and he just makes more financial sense for games to be released like this. They get they cultivate a very passionate community and then they can hyper serve that community by giving them frequent updates updates in in that community becomes their proselytisers in help. Get the word out on the game. I think it's a it's a pretty solid business strategy. Yeah and the housing area of Jeff. I know that's their strong point with a supergiant. Yeah I mean it's cool. It's all God's like a Zeus listen in Hades and all those Gaza. You're familiar with the artists fantastic. And you have this little house that you respond in every time when you die And there are people hanging out around there that give fill you in little bits more. I wouldn't say it is as compelling as something like children of Malta or even bastion for that matter but it is fun and the characters are vibrant and I wouldn't say this is the game. Mike come to for narrative of I definitely was hooked by children of Mortiz Matt Narrative in a much more solid way than than this game but the mechanics mechanics are so fun. And and the visuals are so rewarding. An interesting to look at constantly The this game is very very easy to recommend Haiti's. His name is on the epic game store. 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He wanted the quest so he actually pointed up half of the quest to get it. So that's why we haven't so I'm cheap. He loves to do gaming Ming expectations so he is totally into beat sabre. That's all he does any Switz- all over the is what I do is a little more relaxing. So my co host on our gaming podcast caught mode got me a preview. A review copy of goes giant on quest Yeah kind of cool because I know this game had some problems on playstation VR. So I wasn't exactly sure what I was expecting to get with this game but while yeah well. This game is like the aesthetic of animal crossing but More endearing because the people actually talk the little. Oh boy I guess cat talks with other people in this is such a weird Cool aesthetic like a Diorama that you you as this ghost giant character. That is helping this little boy cat on his venture. You're Kinda the middle of the DIORAMA and you're opening up the world and helping him on his way. It's just so pleasing this game made me feel so good but yet so sad for this little boy cat who's got some real problems with his life and you're just there to help them through it and it's adorable. I don't know what the restrictions were with Operation Visa Vr. But I mean it was awesome to be able to control. How came trolls? I loved the game but those wands on. PSBR PARDON MY FRENCH THEY LA- suck and and that was the problem. It's that using your ghost giant hands at it. Just those wants aren't great. I'm so happy to hear that It would make sense because the quest quest controllers are fantastic. But I'm so glad that you'd had no issues. I did have a little a bit of one. Keenness with the oculus touch controllers. It kept looking like I was giving the little boy Little Middle Fingers so I don't know why you would. They didn't WANNA keep opening up. I wasn't trying to. He was trying times as most teen boys are with my teenager but I mean it was beautiful like I was trying to give him A. Hi Five like you do at one point in yet. My fingers didn't want to open up some like. What am I doing wrong? So what am I doing wrong and it finally worked so I'm not sure if it's an issue with just it's it's it's still not released fully but man I am not completely Dulles game but it's amazing and it was kind of cool to find all the little the little like worms that are kind of like the the things you have to find to get one hundred percent the basketball shoot that as well and it just it just endearing. I just absolutely loved it. Met the point ain't now with the la-z-boy where he's really opening up in your kind of at his level and it's just endearing in with having a a a fourteen year old boy connecting with your kids at that level is so different and maybe this'll teach me something it makes me a better dead. Who knows yeah give him the Middle Fin teaches you? They haven't done that already. I've learned a lot of this too. It's it's a lovely game has got that beautiful little Diorama thing that I just love in. Vr where he feel like you're interacting attracting with this is little diorama world. Yeah ghost giant Anything else yeah. I tried out the oculus link. Monica said might laptop hop is actually not officially supported. But it works. So I got the cable Christian Recommended I got the extension. I think Christian commended to try it out so I was not encumbered Birds Valley Twenty five feet of of length and I try to game. That was free to try I believe on Oculus the actual platform for rift and I played Dudley Burrito. The game is like cocoa and the book of Life But leisure shooter in it is endearing it is and I keep saying that term injuring but it just I love the art style It's wonderful wonderful. It looks like the dealer smart. Oh come to get come to life but it's also using shooter mechanics and things like that you've got like some is six six shooters the open up yet reload and it's just really fun. I liked it although I did find myself at times. I'm not sure if you guys have experienced some veer where I a sit. I had to take the headset off. I come back and I'm like below the level where I'm supposed to be and I'm like what am I supposed to do. I can't get up to my level so I don't know how to account in it to basically get back to the the the surface level I'm supposed to be so might have been an An issue with actual link. I'm not sure but it's a heck of a fun game. It's only like ten bucks so if you WanNa try it but I think it's it's really endearing and it's it's it's not overly gory or anything like that but still. It's a lot of fun as deadly burrito on Oculus Oculus link all right so I'm GonNa talk about another rogue like this one in Vr and this game is Ossama. Emma it is called until you fall. This is from a Shell Games. The same studio that did I expect you the die which was a really fun sort of almost on escape room as Vr. Game a game. I rave about all along time ago. A really cool. You're a secret agent you're in a very various situations and you have to figure out how to get out of them manipulating the environment around you on pretty much every VR platform. This is a very very different game from the same excellent studio until you fall which I guess could have been titled. I expect you to die because it is a it is a rogue like in your going to die lot. There's a lot of games that have done melee sword combat in Vr. It's it's kind of an obvious thing like you're you're in you've got hand tracking. I WanNa even Zelda on the week it was like Oh you got some swing swing a sword. It makes a lot of sense but very very few games do it very well and I don't know of any game that does it better than until you fall vis fisk game is so much fun the idea is a very straightforward simple robe-like in that you're going from room to room attacking enemies that are procedurally. Put there so you don't know which enemies are going to be there next and you have to Run up to them and and smack them with your weapons. You have one weapon in each hand my first impression. This game was like it's literally no left-handed option. What what is this this? How is there? No left-handed option and I realized. Oh there's no left handed option because it's constantly a both hands all the time. This actually feels a little bit. Like what if they made beat sabre but it was an adventure instead of you know like Guitar Hero. Type experience you you have a weapon in each hand and you're gonNA up grading those weapons changing them buying new things adding new powers to them. Some powers are just run specific so they're upgrades that you get in the course of a a single run that are going to go away when you die others are more permanent and let you you know transition from run to run. Keep them over. The course of several are you know infinite runs and you'll end up you'll realize that the composition of which weapon you have in which hand it makes a big a big difference because certain weapons are good at blocking other weapons are good at attacking. Other weapons are good. Have different super abilities that you can pull off often charge up in so equipping them in your hands is really a key strategy. What happens in this game? You have a dash as well and you can dash shop smack. Something and all the enemies have block bars status bars and then health bars and you have to get through their defences winces in order to get them and you have certain abilities. That are better at attacking their defenses and others that are better at attacking their health. And you're swinging your your arms in very specific patterns you can smack them haphazardly. But then there are certain attacks that they'll bring at you that you have to block in very specific positions additions. And then there are other ones that once you break through their guard you can do super moves based on very specific attacks so in large it's very similar to beat sabre in the sense that beat sabres asking you to a specific sabre direction a specific sabre move with your arm in order to get the most points in and do this on correctly here. You're to defeat enemies you have to do the same and things get very challenging. There's it becomes very much a almost like elite beat agents or some kind of crazy rhythm game where you're blocking walking in smacking and hitting and using super moves on your weapons and using certain hands to do certain things 'cause one hand is a better thing than the other hand does because the weapons that are equipped in those hands. It's awesome and then when you defeat a room it'll give you a choice of three upgrades to carry forward and so you're making really juicy interesting decisions based on those upgrades and the very visceral way in which you choose those upgrades as you reach out and grab them and then squeeze squeeze them to make them explode in your hand to release the upgrade and man on my valve index. It's so cool because all you have to due to hold your weapon is how keep your hand closed That has the sensor on the cool index touch controllers. You don't actually have to even pull a trigger or button. You just have to close your hand but then if you squeeze your hand that's a different button press and so literally I'm holding something and than squeezing it explodes in my hand. It's very satisfying very very cool. Very visceral And that's basically the whole game. There are boss fights. There are much more complicated monsters monsters in larger numbers. And they're coming at you from all around in your dashing forward smacking them doing these very complicated maneuvers. It is so much fun. And then you get these you know you get the currency to upgrade your weapons and build your load outs and get your your temporary one run only Lee specific upgrades like you wouldn't a dead cells or other rogue likes to it very much a road like at its core but it's done in VR in it's a physical cool experience of this epoch sword fight that feels really really good. I am a huge fan of this game until you fall. I I think it is not yet available for quest but they say that it is coming to quest and PS VR in twenty twenty. It's still technically in early access. Until are you fall but been playing on steam on my valve index. It is also available for oculus rift. So if you have oculus link to your oculus quest you can play it But man this is a top tier I kind of think must have vr game until you fall very very cool game. I won't that quest for arson. Want the quest version of the walking dead game here. It's fantastic and I just need more or space like I have link but for that and this game until you fall I feel like I want to be able to play that in a bigger space so I want that quest for Zhu which apparently the walking dead has also. Oh come to quest. But that's one game that I've been Persian. I think you're going to really dig this game. It's Super Fun is really I mean I know you like dumb beat sabre and it has that same that same feeling to it. But but it's structured in a way that's more More fantasy more story more cool fantasy Hennessy. World that you're moving through it's awesome very cool all right that's GonNa do it for this episode of DLC We we do have parting gifts coming up stick around for those but taught extra. Thanks so much for being here sir. We'll be on guys. This has been A. It's been a dream of mine. I have been fans of you guys since back in the day. TRS A long story short. My college roommate was actually Best Friends with college roommate. A with Alex insult relief. So it's like six degrees a separation very weird but very cool But Yeah I just you guys have made my days brighter Ever since you know Christian joined the group in weakened confirmed so I appreciate what you bring to the world because you made me WanNa podcast and and you really Influenced what I do today. I I even make dumb bumpers to make happy. Bumpers are dumb. None of them are awesome. I loved them. Yes but if you WANNA check check out my stuff I do a geek media. podcast fringe unite but also video game. podcast called co op mode so either one. It both are fun. you can follow us on. facebook sycophants unite and also twitter at secret funds. You very very cool man. I I really appreciate the kind words and I'm so glad we got a chance to talk to beyond the show. It's been fun Chris. Spicer what do you got going on this week trying to think. What is this week? Oh I know I have. I've got going on this week. Hey Listeners Happy Valentine I love you and I appreciate you and Please know that I I mean that sincerely and I want you to know that you are valued and you are loved in your appreciated and you are respected and if you are feeling low or down please reach out to me or anyone else that you have a maybe even a stronger connection with and I will reaffirm your value and your worth in my love for you. I know it can be another difficult time for people this time of year But whatever you're doing of this Friday on Valentine's Day Please know that you are loved and you're appreciated and that's what I want to do this week. 'cause i WanNa let you everyone else know how valuable you are and how appreciated you are you. Choose choose me I do. I do Ralph idea That's a wonderful I did. Oh Oh I guess that Yeah very very well said Christian night at Ido Hey if you WANNA email us here at the show to ask Christian Where to send the flowers or You know complain about which of the little candy messages he sent to you you or anything you've talked about video games that are email is DLC feedback at gmail.com. We appreciate that we appreciate. You appreciate you listening listening in interacting with us But you can also twitter me on twitter. I'm at Jeff. Kenna which fell with two wins and won t love hearing from you there as well l.. I also have a movie and TV show. podcast called the slash film cast. Would you can find at slash PODCAST DOT COM or by searching for slash cast anywhere. You get podcasts. I heard this last one was A riot riot. I heard it was an incredible episode. We did What do we do this last time? We talked about a very bad movie so those are always fun. A very bad movie called Rhythm section which is not good but this week. We're talking about birds prey so it should be should be fun to also I do the dungeon run which is my live play. Dungeons and dragons ragged show. I'm very proud of the show and I would love for you to check it out. There's lots of ways to do that. We can listen. You listen to it as a podcast. Cast it's kind of like an audiobook really fun. I do. Lots of voices silly voices. What if I WANNA watch you? Watch it on Youtube. Either of those engineer WanNa Watch it watch. It live every Wednesday night six. PM Pacific Time Caffeine Dot TV slash the dungeon run. There's other places though you you have to search for the dungeon run but it is It is good watching and I'm very proud of the show we're making it's really about Being good and Defeating bad guys but I think on an epic scale so give it a shot. Check it out all right. Let's show up now with our parting. Getting Gifts Eh. Todd do you have a suggestion to help people get through their week. I have two one for me one for my son The first is the toys that made us on net flicks I watched the wrestling toy ups of Jeff and I think you would love this and the this series is so good because it's not just about you know Kostanic about the toys we grew up on but it's also telling us how they were created how they pitched how they were actually developed in all the people behind them with this is really fantastic. So if you like pick teams went into turtles transformers masters of the Universe Barbie. Hello Kitty. Whatever you're interested? It's all there but the wrestling was fantastic because it's Hannah goes behind the scenes about wrestling and all the craziness that went behind the scenes in the toys and it just so much fun. It's forty five minutes of really awesome entertaining retaining documentary so check it out the also make the movies that made us as well in their both fantastic so check that out. If you WANNA get really just a fun opportunity to the relive what you loved so check on that flex right yeah. Yeah and then the next one is. My son is a huge anime and Manga Fan. He loves Myanmar academia. He's been bringing into the fold. This is on Hulu. This is essentially an anime version of the X men in avengers. In it's holiday become superheroes is a lot of this is really appropriate for kids in. It's perfect in. It's fun it's not over Lee Grosser or disgusting weird. It's just fun and it's like if the X.. Men were actually a lauded by the public and you see how they're they're trained and they become heroes for for the world to love and take on other Super Heroes and villains so it's really cool really fun. My son loves it and I really enjoyed with them to awesome so so that is a my hero academia on also on Netflix Hulu. Hulu excuse me sorry Christian Spicer. What does your parting gift? Well hopefully not to spoil slash film Cassar rile you up potentially but I saw birds of prey this weekend and I thought it was fantastic. pastic my tweet that I don't understand twitter. Apparently I guess the DC people are very supportive but I I stand by this maybe you next week someone will point another like. Oh that's a good point but I think it might be the most Comic Book Live Action Comic Movie We've ever received food and someone said Scott Pilgrim in my head. Scott Pilgrim is a little more Manga to me than traditional comic book. Like Superhero Comic. Loose I it just capture so much of what I think lives in those comic book words and brings it to the page and brings it to the screen in a way that doesn't seem forced or odd or jarring the way. Some of the spider nurse might be. I said back action. Yeah Okay for live live. Action Spider verse is Probably Number One but this might be number two even considering an. There's so many good DC animated once but live action action. Certainly in I read that maybe underperformed this weekend at the box office. I think part of that it is rated R.. I think part of that. I think it's named poorly. I think. Birds words of pay and the birds of prey and the immaculate emancipation of one rogue Harley Quinn or whatever it is discarded should be called Harley Quinn and the other characters are great in performed well acted but it's harleys movie. She's fantastic in it it's Super Fun In the energy energy in the soundtrack and everything that goes into it and you McGregor's black mask is jest. I loved him so much Asia. I've spoiler he stuff. I'd love to talk about for this movie but I won't right now but Go see it go see it. I think it's really beautiful on a big screen as well. Birds of prey at the airport. Bomani David Chen tweeted a comparison of BIRDS OF PREY thirty four million dollars opening weekend underperforms the headline in the same publication It was What's the car movie? Afford versus Ferrari roars wars to a thirty four million dollars. Open like why. I think it's expectation right. I think Burns and pray was tracked to make forty five would be shocked if either for those movies were more expensive than the other. It's they're both very expensive movies. So I it's funny how the perception is yes. Well one is an Oscar Bait eight and the other is the lowest opening of a recent DC movie. But it's been it's rated R.. So be mindful of that. I don't think I wouldn't call it. A hard are like if you have a mature. Sure you know what whatever you do with your kids but like fourteen year old I think it can work for that But it is it is rated arsenault that going in but I I really love that and I I really like Yeah I I'M NOT GONNA say it may be potentially spoiler. I really like what they did with. The factions are awesome. Is it yeah is it. DC's Deadpool No no yeah yeah. Yeah no but it's commits still very much Robbie's Harley Quinn. Deadpool feels different. But it's very cool. My my co-host liked it. It's good it's fun. Action scenes are fantastic worth precedent mission alone We have listeners suggested parting gift to DLC Elsie feedback at gmail.com. This comes from Andy from Portland Oregon. Andy writes Hey Christian. Jeff and friends with election seeks in ramping up with election. SEASON RAMPING UP. I want to recommend a recent episode of the fivethirtyeight podcasts that I found really. Lightning is the January twentieth episode owed titled When Women Run that features the voices of women who have run for political office in the United States. It really made me think about what men put out into the world and how how is received by women. I hope it listen very interesting. Andy thank you so much I will. I think that's fantastic. And a great recommendation again. That's called when when women run and it's an episode of the fivethirtyeight podcast. My parting gift is basically reiterating. Somebody else's parting gift from a few episodes ago but It's worth reiterating. And it's worth thanking George Ross calmly again Geordie. You sent a gift to us. I don't know if it was last episode episode before but he was mentioning the children's show Bluey that is an Australian children's show that is now on Disney plus an entirely because of his recommendation. I put it on for my son. This is by far my favorite children's animated show. It is actually one of my favorite shows. I would watch the show without my kids. It is that good and that is never the case with children's program I experienced. I mean this is a show that I'm watching with my three year old and it is absolutely wonderful it is. I have teared up multiple times watching watching the show. It is a it is anthropomorphized dogs. And it's this little family mom and dad two kids and basically the show is just them being great parents. It's just it's just being great parents playing with the kids doing things that involve their imagination and just being great just being a great family and it's so beautiful and so perfect in every way I highly gift parents if you have a kid and you want to get out of the terrible raft of children's programming that is just mind numbing. Want to poke your eyes out as you're watching it with your kids Bluey on Disney Zinni. Plus thank you Jordi for mentioning it. Jordan mentioned it and he said he didn't even have kids. I would watch the show without kids. Is that good. It is that it's fantastic. Bluey all right. That's going to do it for this episode of D. L. C.. Thanks again to oxygen Christian spice for hanging out with me thanks to our musical. Contributors Patrick L. Sean Madigan Zero Star for making those bumpers Thanks to all the folks in our chat room for hanging out with US real time in. Thank you to you. 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Rockstar Allows Red Dead Devs to Tweet - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.18.18

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Rockstar Allows Red Dead Devs to Tweet - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.18.18

"What's up. Everybody welcome to kind of funny games daily for Thursday, October eighteenth, twenty eighteen. I'm one of your host, Greg Miller alongside the Reverend and the sirens, Jared petty. Wow. The Argo enough. That's on our end. That's the Jared siren higher here. Now that's how it gets introduced. I'd like that. I do a little for lashing red light up on top of my head. Yes. But I wanted to. I wanted to be like dragnet. Right? Where like you reach down and pull it up. Yeah, I'm on the cop car always wanted one of those. You gotta have a big seventies cop car under the throw. I would just watch the seventies thing about television. If you watch that, I watch seventies and eighties nineties up now and but I haven't washed it. I've only watched the episodes of seventies and eighties and both were really, really good. And I was surprised how much seventies one, but yeah, that that makes me think like whenever I think of the seventies, it's it's cop shows up there. Cars I like with Kubrick had going on today. You see, Google rank, ios, you know Kevin's like countdown. It's like auto be live on the co Greg's like, and that's how we know to turn the light on start talking sharing, right? But today, Greg does this and then he's like. Pumped his arms, and he just kept them for like ten seconds. You know. I appreciate that he walked away looking at issues. You just got things to do so let you know the show's going and that's how it's going to be. What was happening, how you doing Greg? I'm good. How are you? Fair to Midland, fair to Midland. Indeed. That's a band, I think, right. Yeah. I don't know. That's a ban. Com slash wrong. I think I know that I should wrong is if people can let us know live while they're watching twitch. TV has slush fund games. Exactly. I totally bungled plus enough. Ladies and gentlemen. This is kind of funny games daily each and every weekday anniversary of platforms. 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Once we dropped that crypt crypt the crypto knee and key from smallville on it, yes, started doing that double-side printing and I never thought just keep saves the world progress in recycling, start with one small step, and it's right here. How. Housekeeping for you. If you didn't know you can get these notes. That's right. The fan mail tier for patriot dot com. Slash kind of funny games for the month of October is Greg's show notes. I've used them on games daily. I've used them on games cast. I've been saving them for months now, signing them doodling on them that we will send those off the fan mail here. Clear that's diesel notes, not these nuts. These notes. Okay, good. I was just you can get them over on patriots dot com. Slash kinda funny games, of course that will give you access to early access of party mode. The game's cast QNA's all sorts of crazy things. It's a fun time for everybody, right. Kevin today, we're brought to you by him as me on these and loot crate, but I'll tell you about that later for now let's begin the show with what is an forever will be the rope report. Oh. You saw we were done talking about crunch, red dead rockstar unionization, and everything else. Boy, Howdy. Were you wrong? After Dan Houser is one hundred. Our statement divulge her that then became Dan Houser statement is Janika Ataka that was just talking about the writing team which became a giant industry-wide crunches bad. How bad is it? Rocks are nobody really knows. This is happening. Jason tries working on an article that's going on over here came the yesterday's games daily me and Gary talking about it at length trying to figure out if there's anything to be done and how you do it, and then people riding in v. mad about maybe they crunch their own jobs, but is it okay to crunch into that? Just how works video games industry. Last night rockstar, apparently HR Resat and lifted the ban that it was basically like, don't talk about rockstar. If you're of don't talk about rockstar on social media, which to be clear is is not unique director and many. That that's why so many people don't talk about their place of employment and also when they, if they have a Twitter, say thoughts and opinions or my own, not representive my employees, right? I'm gonna take a big old water, and then I'm going to read the rock about this lifted social media and we are going to read pretty much. I think it is the entirety of Jason shires report over at Kentucky. Of course, that means you need to go to Qatar at some point that ain't click on the articles. You give Jason the view or tweet them and say, hey, good work. Taking that sip long article. That's on top of that. We have more. Let me tell you kinda funny dot com. Slash KFI GD all it was pretty much conversations about this and crunch and back and forth, and all this. Let's kick off Jason academic last night, red dead redemption developer rockstar games lifted its social media policies telling employees, they were no longer banned from speaking about their work experiences on Twitter and Facebook. The move has led to a number of current staff sharing mostly positive stories from their time at the massive game company quote, first off, this was one of the most rewarding in lease stressful projects. I've worked on said Keith Thorburn who works in the music department at rockstar north in Edinburgh, Scotland, quote, I know what epic crunch feels like. But this was managed in such a way that I felt happy and healthy. The social media lift comes in the wake of an industry conversation surrounding excessive overtime or crunch that followed rockstar co, founders, Dan Hauser's comment, the New York magazine, New York magazine? No, not. TRE saying, quote, we were working one hundred hour workweeks end quote in twenty eighteen on Monday. Rockstar sent further comments to talk. You attributed to Houser saying that he was referring to himself in his writing team for three week period, and that we don't ask or expect anyone to work. Anything like this. The comments have triggered a firestorm of controversy. Over the past few days as former rockstar employees spoke up on Twitter about their own crunch experiences at the company with x. rockstar PR man, jobs offer friend of the show, writing that quote during the GTA four era. It was like working with a gun to your head seven days a week and other observers criticized the company for its overtime practices. Stories about rockstar, circulated in the video game industry for years. Most notably in twenty ten around the release of red dead redemption. When a group of spouses of rockstar, sandiego employees put together a letter exit at Corey, accelerating the company being mean to taken apart the company eviscerating is what I would read and I don't know that word. Do you know that we're what s? No right here. The bottom put together. A letter excoriating. You know, I, I'm not smart enough to understand that search excoriating. Typically rockstar tells all of its employees who were to refrain from discussing work related matters on social media. But last night, the company's HR boss sent out an Email to staff at several of the company studios. Ios thing. They acknowledged that some felt frustrated by the narrative that had circulated in saying that employees would now be allowed to speak up about their experiences with no need to sugarcoat. Anything that was in quotes. The move is led current staff to share mostly positive things about their employees time out. Escort excoriate excoriate Garon or present participle, censure criticized severely by participle particles. The different ones very small. So yes, you're right. In the time that I've been at the studio work practices have been improved said Phil, beaver ridge coder at rockstar, north crunch on red dead redemption to has definitely been a lot better that it will. Then it was that it was what it says on GTE five, where I was putting a month of seventy plus hour weeks Prentice while being told by my boss at the time to go home, I have never worked more than maybe fifty hours a week, and that's a rare occurrence. But I generally work about two to six hours of paid overtime per week, said Vivian Alang Lincoln tools program at rockstar, San Diego quote. I have been at rockstar for two years and worked on red dead redemption to said, Danny Bannister. If you call us at rockstar north quote, I've never worked anywhere close to one hundred hours a week. There was some crunch sure, but nothing ridiculous. We worked hard on the game, but we weren't being abused. I think the most I did on red debt-reduction to sixty hours for one week end quote back to Jason just to conceptualize that sixty hours would be five, twelve hour long days. Or six, ten hour days. Quote, as a worker rockstar north, I should probably add my voice to the conversation going around on crunch wrote tools designer, Tom faulty quote, we do crunch. I've not seen anybody forced to work one hundred hour weeks, but I've definitely seen friends get closer to that figure that his healthy. I am asked encourage expected to work overtime prince's both nights and weekends when coming up to a big deadline. The most I've ever worked in a single week during my nearly five years that here has been seventy nine hours, but that was not recently unquote rockstar lead artist. Miriam Velarde has rounded up a number of these stories on our Twitter feed. If you wanna see them all backs, Jason, we've been looking into in reporting on workplace condition, game studio at workplace conditions at game studios for years now, and specifically rockstar for a few months for that story. We've been granted granting anonymity to both current and former employees in order to ensure that they feel comfortable speaking. Candidly, we've heard a wide range of experiences and we'll publish a story when it's ready. All that said, right, that gets lifted all. These different things. There is this question of. Hold on. Well, thank you for the honk over there to Ron writes in the kind of funny dot com slash KFI GD and says, rockstar allowing current employees to speak about their working condition. Really rose me the wrong way. I can't imagine that this vast majority of unhappy people would still feel would still feel safe. Speaking publicly rockstar the giant company with studios in multiple countries. People are different managers or supervisors in one part might have very different experiences. I'm not discounting the positive experiences of some developers, but that doesn't speak for the whole company. All right. I got a lot of thoughts on this Amami first off, I think this disclaimer needs to be made. I have friends that are both forint former and current rockstar place and and some close relationships there. I run a show about redemption to have a good professional relationship with rockstar, and so all that should be considered in every word. I'm saying that the Shire's plenty of former rockstar friends. I'm close with job. He, he's a former rockstar, people is included in there. And I would say, I, I mean, I'm not. On Christmas card lists with people rockstar, but I know people rockstar that I'm friendly with and we'll do about things of that nature. And I have a good working relationship with them as well. It's going down and say, no, no, no. I've had a lot of thoughts on this. I listen to you and Gary's talk yesterday example. And I think you raised a lot of interesting thoughts or some things that agreed with there as well. But looking at the situation, let's start at the very beginning. I do worry that we have rushed to judgment in a very interesting way with this. There's no question. No question at all that within the video games industry, cultural crunch is a problem that makes lives of employees at many companies, many places worse than they should be. I think that that is universally accepted by by the vast majority of people involved in this second. I think that. We mostly recognized now within the industry that at unionization is probably very important for several reasons. One to make sure that workers are fairly financially compensated in an industry where employment can be seasonal, where you can work on a game and then move onto the next radio might have year between jobs yet you're paid is if you're always gonna have a job show, unlike Hollywood, which works that way also to guarantee that employ health is protected. The employ health benefits are protected, things that are not. Very well regulated within this industry could be by unionization. I think more and more people are waking up to that reality and trying to find a way for that to happen, particularly within the United States. Third, I think that Mr. Hauser's quote when he talks about working hundred hour weeks with his writing staff, as we see that kind of one line there in where I read it in the vulture article. And wondering what the follow up was as you pointed out yesterday or if there ever was one, I find very intriguing because I really don't think he was sitting there trying to brag about crunch culture. I think he's too smart for that. Dan Houser, smart dude, and in a company where there's already been this two thousand ten reporting, which was eight years ago. I don't think he wanted to ignite a firestorm of controversy and just rub everybody the wrong way. If you wanna talk about from rockstar, Dan Houser is SIMS. Worst case scenario thing of talking to the press, welcome to it. You know, I mean, we talked about it yesterday where Patrick legs article mentioned the fact that it's very rare for any of the house or either house for talk and you. Interesting. I wonder why right? And here it is right week before red dead. There wanna just ride this wave have their launch trailer out, like I did today and be are great, and instead they have to, they're living this. PR nightmare. Yeah, I am somewhat frustrated by that. And the reason for that is I think I've been watching a lot of west wing lately. Sure. Watch the west. A while, haven't watched it in a bit, but good show. One of the things I live at the west wing, the White House, press secretary CJ, correct? Yes. Of course. Her job Allison Janney every day get up in front of group of people that are there to report the news but are also there to make sure they get the juicy stories. If CJ miss speaks for a second. It becomes national news for weeks in barris, the president in barris. The good intentions of the president. Sometimes CJ says things she just shouldn't say for batteries ins. But most of the time when CJ screws up, it's a matter of saying something that could possibly be taken differently than was intended. There's no universe for Dan Houser wanted to sit down and be like, see how hard we all work and this is what our companies about because we don't care about crunch. That's not what he meant. Yeah, but that's what the narrative has very quickly become. I think that this industry needs to continue to have a talk about crunch. I think we movie on that. I think we need to kill it when squash as much as humanly possible. Do think unionization is one of several steps we could take that happen. I also think that we are over focusing on as I guess that stick it on a life of its own when it comes to the story. I think we're singling out a studio largely because some things that happened almost a decade ago and that we are not waiting for the story. This isn't a situation where we're not going to get the story. That's what I'm frustrated by. Sometimes you look at something like situation where you have one person saying, one thing happened in another person saying, another thing happened and there's no witnesses and you're never gonna get context. You're never going to get the full story. All right. This isn't that kind of situation where we all have to make our best judgment right now. We will. Find out what the creative culture around this game was. It is not secret. Rockstar has voluntarily opened the doors to some people speaking about it already and Jason, we'll do homework and other people do their homework and we'll get a much more clear picture of this. And once we have that picture, we can have a responsible discussion about this and how it happened here. I right now think that it's proper to ask questions and seek answers. I also think we're moving too quickly to scream. I think some of that's right now we're in a political and social culture where we've been conditioned to immediately react to things violently or energetically. I think that we can't necessarily help the fact that we've been taught to do that over the last couple of years. But I think that we are in our effort to back good things. We all hate crunch. We all want. To change. We might not be aiming our gun sights as accurately as we could yet at where they actually need to be aimed. Sure. That's what I'm worried about. Greg is that this has snowballed to the point where we may lose the issue in the midst of the discussion. This may end up being a lot of yelling that doesn't vary much progress because we're not targeting the areas that will actually change the issue yet. Sure. Those are my long rambling thoughts on this. I think that anytime that this difficult Amaechi crunch which goes all the way back to the nineteen sixties. The literally the birth video games was built around effectively, voluntary crunch people that were sneaking into the MIT laps through the ceiling. Sometimes to use computers can get that valuable, three AM computer time, and you know, create incredible things that led to space for and network chess and things like that. It's always been there since the very first game. We have to change it because now we have a multi billion dollar industry built on it and it can destroy lives. I have seen firsthand what crunch can do to people, and it needs to change. I don't think. That taking the very little bit. We know right now about the development of red dead redemption, two and a one line quote, and echoing that into something that that may very well. Indict people that don't necessarily deserve to be indicted. I think I think that there's a real possibility here that house sitting at his office going. I worked for the last eight years to make this company more friendly to its employees, not less. Why is this happening? I don't know that I don't know Dan Houser ship, but that's my guess, and that's probably extremely frustrating, but for him after people that in conditions improve. I also think that in studios across the globe. It's not as good as it needs to be yet. I agree. I mean, that was the thing yesterday with Gary. And when we were having this conversation of, I'm not trying to defend rockstar. But what I was trying to do is, let's generalize this bit more. We are not jumping allusions. It is this one quote it is then a response. It is then all of us chiming in an referencing, the rockstar spouses, letter it is today this which could also be read into will maybe you wouldn't wanna talk like, yes, the the best thing to come out of this is a temperature check on the industry in on the on fandom that does seem to say, no, we don't need to kill yourself for games, like make the games. Yes, yes, deadlines but like don't it shouldn't be three months of one hundred hours. Right? Shouldn't be this and you shouldn't celebrate that and do all these different things. But there is a, I mean, we're gonna get into questions here in a second that which I've pared down, but the, you know, the mailbag was very split in terms of like, of course, I don't wanna see people do and other people like, no, it happens in every industry happens in my industry and this is how it is in why. Should we do this and how do you fix that and on so so on and so forth? What I want to call out his gotten an Email today from a kind of funny, best friend who wants to remain anonymous who says they work at rockstar, they provided a few links that I was able to go through and be like, yes, this appears to check out. I'm still gonna read it with a grain of salt. Obviously you can take it with you. I'm just going to get straight to the crux of the matter. I have never. I'm sorry. I have never ever worked one hundred hour work week my hours during the crunch period from about February till August range from forty hours all the way up to eighty hours during the busiest time I was working easily sixty five eighty hours a week. This seven days a week in staying late every day. I feel I was one of the individuals doing a lot of hours and some people didn't have to crunch nearly as bad, but others were worse. I know some people in various departments did eighty to one hundred hours each week for some time. My overtime was unpaid, but we do receive a bonus at Christmas which seems to depend on how long you have worked at the company. But it is never clarified in the studio. How your bonus is decided it is worth mentioning that you are never actually forced to work overtime, but this is because it's simply illegal to do. So you have your amount of work and are expected to get it done in time. This means if I didn't work overtime, my workload would have gotten huge, and then I would have been pulled aside and asking why I had so much work left to do. The whole team would have meetings where we were asked to push hard as we could. We all knew what this meant you were talking with Gary yesterday about he three, correct? You and I have both done that. We both done the reward room. Sure. The Janney three will remain exact many time. We have both had frequent contact with developers, publishers, and have seen what crunch culture can be like what it can do to people. I've been to GTC and her dress pits talk about changing this culture and some of the stories that come out of that take this, that the mental health consequences of of too much work. I think that again, we all agree. It's bad and I think we all agree. It's fixable. I think that it's time to look for the steps. I do not think that turning the red dead marketing slash cultural narrative around to being about crunch is the solution to that issue. Because I think that these stories while they should be told need to be told are also part of tremendous arc that ultimately needs industry leadership across companies to come together to solve. It's going to have to change the way we deal with developer or investor relations. It's got to change the way publishers deal with developers as got changed the way that customers expect things from from publishers. I think there's a lot of value and somebody reaching out to us and telling their story because we need to hear these anecdotal narratives, and I'm glad that best friend chose to do. So it will be here for more people. I just hope we can keep our eyes on what this is about, which is the Kenya we keep talking about things like two thousand ten eight years is an it in corporate culture. A corporate culture can change six months sometimes based on the leadership often which longer than that. But. I really do fear that were kind of coming off half cocked on this. Well, I think right now, right again, I don't think the whole narrative of red dead redemption to has been changed the crunch culture. I think right now in this guy of this, you know, still being was still seeing the ripples in the waves and having news about it. It is. I think if anything it can just be used as right now, the biggest game going right. Is this poster child of, hey, how do we fix as you said something you think we can all agree, it's voidable. Right. Do can we think 'cause I, I mean the kind of funny best friend, right? You have your amount of work and are expected to get it done in time. Like I feel that's how most jobs are and stuff like that, but you have a deadline out there. You're expected. What when Tim asked me to do something? And I say yes, on the hook to do it or whatever. But I feel like oftentimes it comes down to that right when you're on a big project, you're on a big thing that you're gonna run up to a deadline. We like, fuck I'm behind because I got pulled in this meeting because I had to do this because I had to talk to this because it was some problem cropped up. Well, sometime. You sometimes you commit to things and you look at what you're putting together and you have a plan and then things get revised and things of EROs. We make daily show here multiple shows during the day. Yeah, a lot of the time. And if we don't do that, if something breaks than a show doesn't come out that day and no product happens day and sometimes we can let that happen. But if it happens to many times the network false apart shirt. So obviously we relate to that idea. However, I do think that particularly in regard to your employees you've are working, I've heard you say proactive things about making sure that people are able to take time off that people are able to have lives outside of here. I have heard this come from your mouth, is your, I think you believe in it and you recognize the importance, and I don't think you've sacrificed the happiness or health of your employees for that stake. I don't see a lot of evidence right now. And still very early into this discussion based on what's happening in the guys that this particular quote by Dan points to anything like that happening within his company right now, maybe that'll change. I think that. I'm trying to, I'm sorry for the babbling, but now we're getting into a personal place. I haven't nervous breakdown last year. You weren't even make it a video game. And I can definitely say that the stress of obligations had a great deal to do with me and ding up hospitalized. I was in the hospital because I was mentally ill. My mental was exacerbated by commitments. And so I have a very personal connection to this discussion jer. That's why advocating it for for it to be discussed responsibly. I don't wanna see the spin into what we sometimes call a media circus. I don't want this to become. A shouting match that ultimately ends in sound and fury signifying nothing. I would rather think about how much more productive it could be right now to use this opera tune ity not just to criticize, but as I think Jason trying to do with what we see in more article to inform or even to reach out to connect to. And I was glad to see rocks are open those stores. I do understand that within those conditions, employees are gonna, perhaps feel that what they share is going to be seen. I also think it shows a lot of confidence on the on the on Ruxton part and maybe recognition internally that people like, hey, I'm fine with what I'm doing right now. I'm proud of wanna do right now. I want to show it to people as well. Those are all parts of the discussion. They ought to be brought out there before we saw this thing, vengeance in kind of funny dot com. KF GD and says extra Dev here left the industry because of the crunch, but still one of the happiest days. Of my life was when the reviews started dropping for our game, and we realized how much people loved it. Was it worth it? Probably not. But if it's happening, we want you to play. We want you to love it because this is a conversation obviously yesterday right of if this is happening, what do we do with this? Because Gary kept saying, I'm weak. I'm going to buy Red Eye, but it's also like, but as a boycott on the what you're talking about as well, a half cocked we don't fully understand what's happening. Is that the right way to go about? No, I don't think boycott this game at this time solve this issue because this this ain't this ain't telltale. Okay. This the end to tell tale, you know, this is not an a situation that is so clearly abusive and agreed that we all understand exactly what's happening. This is a one line quote. The guy quickly came out and said it was about me and three other people. Look, I write and I understand obsessive rewriting, I do. I do it. I have zero things and it is PA. Part of writing, not knowing how to stop. You have to. I have to discipline yourself, Greg, got you work harder than anyone. I know you work harder than I do, and I'm a good actor. Yeah, whatever you work ridiculously. Yeah, I don't know how you this little sleep issue. You yourself. I think recognized that there are times you have to step away from it, probably recognize it fewer than you'd like to about yourself. I see you extend it to others, right? What you will not give yourself. You sometimes get give to your employees or to your to those around you. When you have advice, I don't want Kevin get gray hair like this, is it that hard for us to believe that some of the people in leadership there are just. Obsessive and course diving in and by the way guys, you don't have to do that. Now. I'm not in there and that's the point we don't know, but we will know. So let's wait doing know if we weren't ever gonna know that we could sit here and speculate for Jason Trier's. I wanna wait for real information. I wanna wait for something where I'm not just irresponsibly talking out of my ass. About what might then we have no daily show. We weren't responsible. No, no, no, no, I, I understand that engaging this because it's what people writing to us about, but I think we need to engage it responsibly, hope doing. Let's plow through one more quote before we get to more reader mail about this. This is from rockstar North's coasts duty, oh, head, rob Nelson. He was talking to the guardian in an interview with the guardian Nelson acknowledged that Rockstars working culture has been in need of improvement, asked how the studio manages employees time in welfare. He said as best we can, and it's something that we're always striving to get better at. We're going as fast as we can, and we're structuring our departments based on need because. We don't want people working too hard. Do people work hard? And is there overtime and extra effort put in? Yes, there is. It is something we want happening regularly for it is something we want happening regularly for long periods of time or as an accepted part. He's asking the question, my apologies. Let me try this with right, if lection is it something we want happening regularly for long periods of time or as an accepted part of our process or a badge of honor thing? No, it's not. We are always trying to improve how we how we are working and bounds what we are making with how we make it, and we will not start working to improve in this area. And that's the whole thing like it's a sliding scale, and you're, you're trying to put out this giant video game that everyone is excited about in everyone's interested in trying to follow up GTE and you're trying to follow up the first read dead, like I get why people are stressed out and putting themselves in situations and doing that is it is it like job said it was, you know, the number years ago he worked at like if there's a gun to the head when you're talking about GT for, who knows? We will soon to your point is what you're saying. Right? Like we will have a clearer idea. We will never know what it's like to be there without being there, but we'll continue to have a clear idea. I think more. Maybe instead of looking for indictment, we look for solution and we look forward across what we do. I think it's time we start taking a look at at the the broader principles. Gary brought up investor relations yesterday, and he was was being very populist in that regard. I think quarterly culture in American business in general is difficult. And in entertainment, it's especially difficult and there is something to be examined in quarterly culture across the industry about how we probably ought to change. Games are funded if we won't have a sustainable medium. But then we sit here and we go. By the way this year, we had more great game so we ever had and there's that as well. And then there's the thing where artists do have a tendency to sometimes just work themselves to death. How do we promote self maintenance self care within people? How do we offer the mental health services that make that possible? How do we. For somebody to rest. That's another important discussion to have. Some people are Mr. Scott on the enterprise. They don't know how to take shore leave, but it's still good for them. Yeah, we need to create avenues where management pushes people toward rest, and I suspect there initiatives like that in the lot of developers more than we want to imagine. Right. And then something that we talked about yesterday, right. It seems like of course, we only talk about when we hear about how crunches bad in this and we don't celebrate as somebody yesterday studios like media molecule, rock, steady that are winning awards for being positive work environments and how they take care of people. I wanna play this game. I want to see the results of the artistry of these people's efforts. Wanna see what they're so proud of care. How many bodies are left in the week. I q sick and me Kevin very much about the human beings to put these together. I said, I seen it very close up. I wanna toss over to kind of funny dot com. Slash KF GD were a bunch of people wrote in, like I said, a very act. Give reader mail bag this time around. I wanna I've mainly picked people who not necessarily didn't agree with us but had stances on a different way than what we were talking about. Tyler, German writes, it says, are we work shaming with this rockstar stuff? Yes, there are companies taking advantage of employees, but I feel some of the discourse gets a little out of hand what's wrong with working hard, what's wrong with putting in sixty eighty or one hundred hour workweeks if you want to keyword want to, especially if you're getting compensated, certainly companies should treat their employees, right? But I think we should be careful shaming the idea of working hard by choice. I think that one of the points, one of the best points about unionization is the idea that unionization is not just about workplace conditions or hours. It's about being fairly compensated for right time in that similar to what like again, this best friend who sent says they work at rockstar, we're talking about right, but like. Over time wasn't carried out. Right. It was about you get a bonus. Overtime wasn't paid, but we receive bonus at Christmas, which seems to on how long you've worked at the company, but it's never clarified that. Yeah, I think that one of the things that unionisation could do across industry would be to guarantee regular overtime compensation for non hourly employees. I think that could or a bonus structure that takes that into account Tyler. I'm with you in you're talking about a perfect world of, yes, like what's wrong with working hard. If you want to do a hundred our worker, you're a of course, like if you find the work fulfilling and you want to do it and you're pushing ahead and you're doing stuff, whom I stop your say that I think it's they're talking about the idea of people who don't want to, but there have been put into the position that they have to and I'm talking rocks talking about crunching general. Yeah, I guess what we're way behind milestones. We need three mattresses office. I worked hundred hour weeks in the last couple of months shop -solutely. And by the way you shouldn't work when our one hundred hour weeks and I shouldn't have either. That self-employment so weird thing and it's win. It becomes hysteric, right? It's very powerful within an organization. I mean, you and I were together in media and media's reknown you're newspaper guy for crying out loud. I mean, how many times we they're putting the paper to, you know, that was that was a print medium where yet deadlines, mechanical processes that had to be turned on and people get stuck there late constantly. So yeah, there's nothing wrong with wanting to work hard. There's a lot wrong. It's business culture. It's people. Yeah, and that's and we're gonna use a word like abuse. We darn well better be right when we're using it. That is a serious word full of gravity. Again, I'm talking in broad terms criticizing on point at me. No, I'm not criticizing you just want to make sure when when we talk about things that are weighty, we speak about the with authority and that's what I wanna make sure happens in this situation, mills chop rights into kind of funny dot com. Slash KFI GD with two things. He says, number one or she. Number one, a lot of folks including Greg and Gary yesterday have been saying, quote, I'll wait longer for game, but would you pay fifty to two hundred percent more for a game two because one hundred hours of work is one hundred hours of work. If you force forty to fifty, our limits it not only takes twice as long because twice as much because your overhead costs keep adding up as you extend about men. Obviously, that's it's all dollar and cents at some point in this business, and that's where it comes down to. Again, we're back to just compensated for the overtime. How are they doing. But I've been on the record for a long time of, yes, I pay more for video game. I've talked about this. I when calling was here. This used to be a long running thing of, you know, explore the scale and if a he would always talk about, like, what, if the three one hundred hundred dollars or more because they're giving you so much content? Is that think of? Yeah. Like I know that's not a popular opinion at all, but especially for a game on of which are of a red dead of a cyberpunk. I literally play that for months and months and months and months. Okay. I'll pay union fees paying tax. Yes, and that's the that's the other thing, show games more expensive. Okay. But if it's taking care of my creators and helping them not burn out in helping them stay around longer, I mean us talk. We just heard from somebody who claims to be AAA Deb that burned out. Right. And it were people responding to jobs thing from rockstar former extra. That's why I left because GTE was killing me like there's, I mean, yes. I wanna see people rewarded for their hard work and I'm not gonna. I know that's not a popular opinion. I know it change the industry, but maybe industry needs change number two, though. Unionisation is not. The gods. Everyone seems to think it is look at the public teaching profession. Teachers are often underpaid prince. The primary reason we struggled to get quality stem teachers is because they can get more money elsewhere and sees and overworked. Prince sees eight to ten hours at school plus a ton of worked on after hours, grading papers, creating homework exam, lesson plans, etcetera, and prince. These not to mention school. Budgets are so shallow teaching. Teachers often pay for Michio out of pocket. The union Hesse value parentheses job protection to go. She and prince these, but I'm not certain. It's the end all be all answer the salute situation. No, unionization is not the end all be all that's the solution. It's just a vast improvement. And I think that's the biggest thing right now is that? Yeah, I and I've said before on this show of my as a union crane-operator that's pretty much my extent of unions and knowing how I I know what unions are, obviously, what they're doing, how they're fighting. But like I don't wanna see developers who are making the things. I love the games, the toys. I love taking advantage of and put in a situation they don't want to be, and it seemed like union gives gives a voice of the people not. Have that done, but I also, I wanna hear more pros and stuff or Collins. Oh, there's a lot to be said of. Everybody's got a different political philosophy around unions. I think that I think, you know go to YouTube and watch Harlan county USA. They do a pretty good job of explaining why they probably ought to exist by the way, if you've never watched Harlan county USA it's one of the greatest documentaries ever made hemming county US Harlan county USA it's on YouTube like the whole movie. It's the only place. I know you can watch it. Go watch it. It's it's one of the best films I've ever seen and a group following group coal miners around. It explains why at the most dramatic unions are important. The video game industry is not equitable to that it even at its worst because Harlan, they were literally killing people. But it does explain how powerful unions could be the change and the limits and the corruption that sometimes plays within them. It's an interesting thing to watch, but teachers unions do do matter. A lot Riley writes in the kind of funny dot com. Slash k FDA says, I've been listening to you guys talk about crunch and it's someone that's a member of a union. I completely understand the value behind them. I'm a teacher in my union protects me from quite a bit, and I'm incredibly appreciative to be in an industry that allows me to be supported in that way. That being said as a teacher, I don't need to be protected from long work weeks. I get to my school at seven and usually don't leave until about six instill into taking. I don't need to still end up taking home papers to grade lessons plan and parents to contact. I don't do because my principal mandates it. I do it because I'm passionate about what I do and what's hap-. And that's what's happening games as well. Tim, does it for you? Live teachers do it literally almost every business does it. So acting like it's a travesty that writers were quote unquote forced to write for video game, which is their life's ambition for a few overtime hours a little hard to swallow. And again. There were conflicting few different things here, obviously you you're getting hung up and I don't mean like that. Riley, you're of course referencing the one one hundred hours comment from Dan that then gets boiled down to just being the writers team then is, but is also being. Spread too much larger swath of the video game, right? I wanna keep coming back to this, but Dan never said my company works one hundred hours a week to make this game. Dan said me and three other dudes worked one hundred hours a week for a little while to finish up the writing on this game. That's what he said. And that's why I been. I think the industry is looking for an opportunity to talk about this because it needs to be talked about and it's latched on to something that I'm worried will lead this to be less productive than it could be. Final thought on this for right now, James Rhodes writes in the kind of funny dot com. KF GD and says something. Gary sudden last episodes stuck with me about red dead quote. If they had announced today, instead of putting their employees through hell, they would've been applauded end quote, I disagree. I think the game already hit with delays would have been dragged through the mud not by press who to Gary point. Usually applaud such measures, but by gamers, I think something that is being glossed over here is the fact that most gamers would throw a complete shit fit. If the games they were looking forward to got delayed. Gary pointed out that there are other games to play. Well, there's one hundred percent true. Most gamers have about three games that they were looking forward to all year and the rest basically qualifies impulse purchases. I just think there will be a real. There would be a real ugly side. The consumer of people aren't thinking about yet. Gaming culture hasn't needed a deep detox for years that is still that it's still hasn't received. My question is, do you think gamers are actually willing to do to do the work to support developers or. Do you think their loyalty to the games themselves will override that three points on that first when Gary one of the things that is agreed with Gary saying, these folks were put through hell. I have not seen any evidence on red redemption to people were being put through hell yet. Maybe it was happening. I haven't seen anything that points to that yet and what I have trying to pull back with Gary right is like, okay. Well, no, that's not exactly what's been said. If yeah, if we'll happen, put through hell and video games. Many times I have not seen anything yet. That leads me to believe that that took place in this case. Second. Yes, there's a lot of toxicity in gamer culture, and a lot of people would be really mean and horrible about the thing. And those are the people that will find something to be mean and horrible about because that's what they do use them. I have met them. I've talked to them on the internet. Yeah. Occasionally met them at one driver. Once I was and third. I don't care about what they think because they are terrible and awful. And while they may be very, very good people at heart. When you make your identity around destroying others, you can care very much about what that person could be or what pain is hurting them, but trying to care about the viciousness of their views that were an expression of different kind of pain. Is the wrong approach them and find what's worth carrying. Yeah. I mean, James point. I what I always talk about. Sorry to be null drum here, but it's a, I think it's the vocal minority. The people who are mean it would be horrible and be shitty about this, right? I think the overwhelming majority of people who would read that article if game. Excellent. Even let's just take off AAA game every way for puts out a statement that is like, hey, we're at a crossroads where either we can make it, and my team has to work three months of one hundred hour weeks and see their family, or we delay at choosing the delay it you would be celebrated in the press. I think the majority of people who story would be like, you know, a good on you for doing that. That's all right. Cool. And then yes, there'd be people who were vocal about it, but as usual, the people are going to be vocal in are going to be asshole. The internet, their opinion, doesn't matter. Yeah, but you can criticize and you can have different opinions and you cannot agree with each other. That's fine. When you wanna be a fucking asshole on the internet about something stupid about your toys, that's when it's like, well, no. If you're gonna be complete dip, shit in be rude to people and chase down developers on Twitter and scream and yell, and cuss words and use other fucking turns of phrases that you're just trying to do to get under people scans and hurt their feelings you. You never mattered to begin with you, you're, you're, the buzzing flies them. Fuck hairs, and it's one of those I, I hate it when people like, well, that that's like the, you know, you let those let trolls do that. You let trolls. You give them all the fucking they want to hang themselves and then you hang back and just remember all over want somebody being mean and horrible and shitty on the internet. All they want reaction. If you don't give it to them, burn go away. And that's the thing about it. Like we if we want the industry to change regardless of race him this. But if we're talking about this, if this very specific hypothetical of a triple a. studio doing that, yet if the majority, if people celebrate it and talked about and we're down with it, it wouldn't matter for much worry mean about it because they know that it does matter to certain group of people, and probably those people as usual are fucking shit bags. Don't have anything real and what ended up buying the game. Anyway, they're still going to buy when it comes out one, but I'm not saying people criticize. I'm saying, people who are the assholes. Yeah, I've talked to folks from from that spear people expressing that kind of behavior before, and usually there's a person inside that. Hurt is upset and they're not mad about that. They're very mad about something else in their life, and they want to take it out on somebody if they're gonna take it out and developer ex, you made the right choice to take your poison. Call them a whole bunch of horrible names that they would never say in person because they know their names that you wouldn't say. Yeah. I digress. Number two on the rope report, you added Jared nice piece of red dead redemption to news, red dead redemption, two's launch trailer, shows a gang in tort turmoil. This is by two more Hussein over at gamespot two more rights as promise. Rockstar has released a new trailer for red desert to its eagerly anticipated. Open world western the game is set for release on October twenty six for PlayStation four, an Xbox One and a head of this. The studio is offering everyone another tease of what they can expect. The launch trailer shows Dutch and Arthur touch talking about one more big score before life can improve for their gang. Soon, there seems explosions gunfire in eternal strife set against talk of loyalty. It's fairly short, but very sweet trailer. So the trailers out there dropped this morning. And if you're actually interested in what's going on within the game without getting spoiled on anything, probably wanna check that out on you. Of course, run red dead radio podcast about read. I do in fact you that indeed and I enjoy that old red redo. Maybe that Greg. You'll be by that Reddit radio against soon. I heard a rumor that might happen closer. I need to your safe here. If I understand some people are going on media blackout, but you're not. There's at this point. They're not gonna give you anything to mess with you folks. They know that you don't wanna know much either. You see some nice cool tantalizing things, but considering the scope of this game, you'll be fine. So if you're on the fence about whether or not to watch the trailers, there's nothing in any of the trailers. It's going to even scratch sixty hours office. We're going to jump into, don't worry about it. Yeah, and another lighter news. Number three, Obama announced that he doesn't care about hokum Amman us assuring in in Asia, heartbreak. This is from poly gones Petron a- read who of it read rule, Vic, nail best. Second one was good, red, Vic, maybe rod, Dula, Vic, but Petron Fisher to rights today. Sat news rippled across the nation, former President, Barack Obama reveal that he does not like folk Amman for everyone. Imagining the former commander in chief going on a Pokemon adventure of his own parentheses. His starter would probably be a squirrel. I can say in my totally official presidential Pokemon starter voice gone are those dreams because Obama apparently doesn't like the greatest video game franchise of all. Well, I realizing happening here Jerry when you put this one. Yeah, he revealed the sad news in a very nonchalant way in detention video urging people to vote. Obama tries to dispel any many of the communist uses that people give when explaining why they don't go to the polls. The first I don't like. Politics look says Obama turning turning to the camera about to break all of our hearts. I don't care about poke Amman. Then he says something about how like politics Pokemon isn't going away and then continues to urge people to vote, which is definitely important. But reader, I was too heartbroken to continue. It's a cute video. It's the former president urging folks to go out and vote, and he just takes excuses that we give for not doing it and terrorism terrorism apart. Cute way. You're gonna start playing Pokemon. That's kind of what he inferred that Kevin switch version will convert them, bring him around. Now you're talking about the, let's go like peach the full on next Pok Mon of him. I think he's, he's kind of like, he looks like, I don't. I don't like Pokemon, but but you keep going back like the east kind of touching on that a little bit too, like voting you may not like keep going back and doing it, and Pokemon can have that same effect this things that you get pulled into a little bit. It's like, you know, like why all people play destiny is not good, but the keep going back to it. Number four. Final new story of the day. Blizzard will announce new Diablo projects when the time is right. This is from Lucio Brian. The lion at GM bliss con eighteen is almost here, but a new post from blizzard strongly suggests. We won't see any new Diablo projects. Announce quote, we've seen a lot of rumors flying around about our plans for the Oslo at the show reads a post on the blizzard forums. These are very exciting times. We currently have multiple teams working on different Diablo projects. It we can't wait to tell you all about them dot dot dot. When the time is right, the post goes on to say that good things come to those who wait, but evil things often take longer. Blizzard may not be ready to share all of its broad Diablo projects. The company promises that it does intend to share some related news at the show. The post seems to extinguish any hopes of Diablo for announcement app Louis Kahn, which flies in the face of multiple clues that it would be including curiously named merchandise and blow a panel called the Oslo. What's next? What's next indeed. Just the switch version? I I, yeah, I, I mean, no surprise here. Right? We weren't expecting to Yaba this year. I was really, I mean, I love the Oslo, but I'm not watching the VAT closely being mind when it will be. I mean, there's been leaks, obviously they're not leaks, I should say, but there's been plenty of rumors. My dad works blizzard. The job postings, this, and the other. This app wiscon- there's a new torchlight coming. Why should I care about the. 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Seventh for twenty bucks on steam Gog in paradox plaza than deals today for your Jared added this one for Morio sixty four, the humble, monthly, this humble bundle. Yeah. Humble bundle for November includes hollow night hitman complete for season seven days to die in the batch of mystery games for twelve bucks. That's a great really good. Reader mail. It's going to be short obviously. 'cause right here. Hold on. I got one in here. I thought there was a Hello gonna Jared question. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. I'm gonna do this when Fiji you're ready. Strapping. Get ready. Come down. Alex from SU SU falls, I assume to get cut off for jumping. Yeah, Sioux Falls. Hello. Bragging jeered as someone who started gaming in the PS two era. I feel like I've missed out on some of the more classic systems and games. I've thought about asking for either any s or SNES classic system for Christmas, but I don't really know which one would appeal to me the most. I know Jared is a super fan of classic systems and games. So I hope that he will be able to compare the two systems and help me out with the decision. Love the show you guys do Alex from, okay, they're both great first off, they're both well worth owning of the to the software selection on the snacks. Classic is superb. There's like nineteen absolute winners out of those twenty games while rentable. Yeah, eighteen nineteen. Those games are superb. The EMMY classic is thirty games on it of which had say more twenty thirty, a really good. So you get about the same number of great games on each one. It's just that the proportion on this next one is higher. I love them both. I owned. Them both. I think if you're going to just buy one, get this next one because that is it's kind of Nintendo at just the height of their game and you get so so many bona fide classics that are still fun on that system. However, and is classic totally through time us you chose, you shows the SNES. That's the winter. Yeah, that's the winter. The falls, Alex. Nighthawk twenty two zero two rice into kinda funny dot com. Slash KF GDN says Hello. Jared, Greg. So I'm not seeing much coverage for Ubisoft Starlink game that came out on Tuesday. I've been really interested in this game, but not seventy five dollars interested as reminder. The switch version has star FOX in while it may be toys. A life thing. I believe it's totally playable without that aspect being used side note, probably my most hype trailer at three was with FOX use often tend to all killing in partnerships. Just curious if there are any impressions from you guys or maybe if we will get some airtime on the games, Cass later, any signs of life would be. Cheated Nighthawk twenty two zero two over there is that number one games journals. Andy Cortez hey, are you top top level the executive suite up here? Oh, wow, nice one. Now they see you. They use the camera. You're not in the executive suite. They see. You're right there. You're sitting there and you've been playing this year. Starling. Do you think of it? I did not expect myself to fall in love with this game. Yeah, it's like it is very, very basic in terms of story voice acting as whatever the story is like. So surface level, like titan a e type story, you know, we ought to be good movie, right? Good movies, kid or whatever, but there's so much in this game. That's like that. I didn't expect to be there. I thought I was just going to be either on rails, shooting people or like flying around shooting people or just sort of free flying and dogfights and stuff. This is like. I guess a more evolved. No man's sky, yes. Good combat, right. It's really weird. Saw Bryan Tana loving it. I know my Drucker bought it. It's well. I don't know more Volve not the right term because obviously, no man's sky definitely improved upon a lot of their systems or whatever. But yeah, you're scanty planets. You are the the bad guys have a presence on the planet and you wanna slowly take over and push them back. UB saw outposts. Exactly. Yes, outpost. But you're, you're, they're building like a refinery to take out of the the planet's resources, or you're building a combat thing to sort of raise the planet's defenses or you are building a an observatory to unlock and view more of the planet and see most of it, you know, because of the fog or whatever. But the the thing that I wasn't sure of was how the toys to life thing really was implemented. We were given the toys by Ubisoft hash sponsored no hashtag toys provided provided. Three product from you tweeted that I was digging the game. I got a lot of tweets. People asking, how are you? Did you get the toys? Are you doing the digital version to which I not own the whole digital version is so I I ended up realizing that I hated best seeing with the toys aspect of it because when you're in battle, maybe you walk up to an enemy who was an ice person, and you need to bring out your fire weapon. And I hated switching the little thing and popping it on like it's not a, it's not a deal breaker for me, but it was just, you know, sort of a minor annoyance. Gotcha. And I switched over to like I unplugged the toy thing that plugs on your controller by the way you don't need it on there. You can just like let it sit next to you as you're planning here, but it's cool to have. Yeah, so I am plugged the whole thing and then it was like Noto detected. Do you want to switch digital version which? Yeah, let's switch the digital digital version. And I don't know if that then unlocked all of the weapons because they are this fire, there's ice there is. One called crush which is kind of like earth, it suck. No, it sucks. Everything into sort of vortex and you can combo things when maybe there's a lot of fire enemies. You shoot the vortex thing, suck all in then shoot ice. Then it becomes an ice vortex and everything sucks in. So there's a lot of cool aspects like that, and there's another one that is sort of like you lift people. Yeah. Live with people in mass effect. You know. Shoot him and hit, and they just start floating. And so all the, it's very much, you know, earth, wind fire elements Klein against each other. I did not expect to like this game. I was thinking I stick with it. I was thinking it's so weird that I installed the screen odyssey that I found in your Senate, loving this game. It's really weird stick with it. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, I about this yesterday like this is this is a game that were it not for precisely the season we're in right now. I would be buried in this seventy five dollar game for me up slowly by this implant for men, ten year old. Andy would eat this shit up. Sure, sure. Vandy still need. Scared to death. They're sent a great game out today. Now it'll be interesting. I mean, I don't know if it's the same like is, is I understand. Starlink is making waves with people who are contemporaries, but also its main. It's made more for kids. Yeah, I it's made more for kids, but you're going to lose a lot of discussion around it. Kids watched which kids washer to kid and they're not gonna get the coverage they need. When I when we saw, I all the thing that he three. The thing I thought of was I can't imagine being a kid watching Nick Nickelodeon Disney channel and seeing the commercials sharing. I need that, you know? So who knows? We'll see, how does I thought you're gonna leave it as you could be a, you're going to be a kid imagining watching Nick Scorpene on like, I can't imagine that either. No squad up this where one of you writes in the kinda funny dot com slash k. f. 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If you wanna hit up just in go find how to spell secret weapon x on YouTube dot com slash kind of funny game, and then he spills boy is badly spelled secret when I'm fine with your boy like that, it's fun. Consistent. Like if you're gonna make the threes ease make all the threes. Now he's fifteen. He was fifteen dumb. As you know, isn't gentlemen, Shuhei Yoshida no longer hates you, and you will soon be able to change your name. So we saying goodbye to bad names by you writing in the kind of funny dot com. Slash KFI GD with your bad PS in name and the story behind it today. If you're red beads, help. I f, you know, I f. why? Oh, you are are ED grammar. It's a grammar crime going. The originated when I was in grade school, I was making a germ Darwinian hunter on world of warcraft, whilst watching young Frankenstein one late night. It was the scene where gene wilder and Peter Boyle are doing the putting on the Ritz and seeing if you're blue and you don't know where to go. So I named my hunter if you're blue, I s why. Oh, you are b. l. u. e. b. ignorant to the difference between your and you are a pasta. You know what I mean? You're at the time somehow that morphed into my name if you read and I've been stuck in this living nightmare ever since you're in your there and their two, two and two days of the things that haunt us. Our dreams. Again, we've done the really gross in grotesque PS name. So as we say goodbye, bringing up the ones that aren't just dumb. You're stuck with a dumb name, the rest of your life. We asked people watching us live on twitch dot TV, slash kind of funny games to go to kinda funny dot com slash wrong and tell us what we screw up as we screw it up. So we can set the record straight for everybody watching later. Got it. What we got here. Anonymous is, hey, Greg, during the big red dead convoy, you mentioned that one of the people who wrote in was he or she just wanted to say that you could have also been non binary or something else saying they might have been more appropriate since they didn't mention gender superstars that came off his lecture, that isn't what I intended. No, it's something I've talked about before. Sadly when I was coming up journalism school, I would have been marked off for points for saying vais when it's a singular person. So it's still hard for me to switch over to that. But what I was trying to drive out, of course. I here we go toward l. Ray says it was stated by Jared. The destiny is not good, but this is factually. Incorrect. Destiny is in fact great and fun. Yeah, that's that's not going. Dog says, Valkyrie chronicles came out yesterday switch and it's twenty five percent off. You hear chronicles four digitally. Also, I think you miss residents, fate four k. addition PS four that came out today. We talked about residents yesterday, so maybe that was rolling and then yeah, Nintendo put out there today, putting Valkyrie infra today. I will no longer accept incorrect for Nintendo dates. Yeah, cl- covers everything together and I just read off what they do. Everything I didn't say anything during it, but I saw it on the store yesterday. Well, you suck and sodas mmg Nick ninety six. I don't know. I don't know. I think we're just right on that. I mean, how can we not be right. Malcontent Ronin says, Starling important note for Starling per piling on the physical addition comes with only one physical ship. While the digital version comes with four digital ones, making the game, much easier. Switch version apparently gets five. Thanks to Starbucks being exclusive. 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Red Dead Redemption 2 Kerfuffle - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.15.18

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Red Dead Redemption 2 Kerfuffle - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.15.18

"The. What's up. Everybody welcome to kind of funny games daily for Monday, October fifteenth, twenty eighteen. I'm one of your host, Greg Miller along side Frayne we're Abella the third. What is out there. All last week. Yeah, not even. I guess, Friday I was promoting. You know what I mean? Yeah. Mystery guest on Monday. You don't wanna miss it. And then I tweeted right before this mystery guest is here you want so many people like Fran AIS. Why does this matter? Yeah. The answer of course, is that Fran for the first time in eighteen years? You don't work at Jian dot com. Now, this is my first day of not working at GE in eighteen years. I've joked. I've graduated. You were in eighteen years years adult now finally graduated. Yeah, I just I love my job. Loved Vanna. Gotta get you through. This is going to be so hard for you. Stop saying we. Yeah, it's gonna be hard for you to not right. Hi. 'cause I was there so long. You too, right. I mean, there is so much that gene. We're still there's. There's a DNA there, but anyway, so I was there at I g and for a very long time, it really like my job. Absolutely, but became VP video. And with that comes, a lot of business needs a lot of things to do on that end. And I've always been in my heart, you know, more of a creative director of content, her person, male of being on a show like this. It's definitely one of those things that and I'm not trying to take away from anybody. You're one of the founders, but you're one of the founders right of in in terms of the fact that, yeah, yes, you you rises level of VP run video you. You're in meetings all day long planning. It's easy to forget that you got the job because Cass Messina saw you on message boards, right? Running your own site and doing your own yet. Endo coverage. Exactly. That was how I didn't even know. I would end up here. You had a more of a predictable path outs in the sense. You were like training to be a writer? I was in training to be a computer engineer. I wanted to work on like graphics, chips and sell, but I wanted to, I thought I was going to design the next. Castro, ideally, Nintendo's. I didn't know that. I is crazy really wanted to sign the next Nintendo system. This was when project dolphin or GameCube Asher. But anyway, that's how I arrived here. I always thought I'd come out a few years review, matures mask a couple of other things. Get it out of the way you go back to school, but little did I know video on the internet turned out it was kind of a big deal, and I just started doing it and it was in two thousand five, hey, by the way, do you do you wanna start a video team here? It's funny at first I was like, I don't know. I wanna read on the internet yet. I was like, I kinda wanna right? Still want to interview people, but I slept on it. I was like, yeah, and then I started to hire more people next scar Pino meeting one of the very first video team members. So here today, and that's that's also it strikes me. You guys have gone onto such mazing stuff. All these people that have worked for me and now moved on. And I've been Janelle this right, and I wanna work for myself. You know, there's a combination of things that I'm going to be doing to accomplish that. But I really hope that content is one of those things because I've, I've just always loved it so that do you think it fell into. As an outsider. Right. I know when we were leaving gene when we were starting kind of funny, all that stuff happen organically. Once I started falling in love with twitch, and it was one of those things that at the time in the sounds crazy, that wasn't really something happening. I gene where a lot of people were tinkering with it, but nobody was like, I'm doing it every day or every whatever radio. Yeah. I mean, even after me, right. I noticed you eventually started doing that, and it wasn't too long after we went, but maybe years almost three years ago. Now, did you, why did you start that in then? Is that part of the reason you're branching out on your own? Leaving Japan, two, very good questions. I started it because in in a job where you look over content and see what's happening in video, I thought I understood it. And I had people like freighter that were doing it and went on to do it, and I tried to tune in and I was like, like I come from that traditional backer. I'm like, I wanna know about a game. I watch a quick video on YouTube. I'll just watch and then play it why for like hours. But then I started like watching them. I'm like. I want to try this out and I was starting to play destiny. Actually, the community at large for destiny was on twitch. So I, I gotta try this out what's it gonna harm. So I put up my little. I call people Cam with the PlayStation. I sure. This little vignette had circle. Yeah. Looking, but I started there and it's funny as video producer. It was kind of hideous, but unlike now let me just try it. So anyway, I kinda got the bug there and I noticed it was so much about the community in that live interaction, but the community more than anything. All the sudden repeat people coming back there to support you, but similar vibe. And I have a lot of people now that come to my twitch channel like this is like the least toxic twitch. I've ever been to at least for me, that means a lot because it means that I've been able to build something and it's pretty small right now, but I really enjoy that non. I love playing games, but I was trying to figure out and that's where I'm at today. Right? I love playing games in every time. I'm like, Agean. I have no time to play games by the time I get home. There's just no time left. I figured out that streaming was away that I may be further my brand of my career while playing games, something that I love. And that's just kind of word all started. Who's a second question? Maybe you answered it. Maybe that was part of it. Like, why did you get into streaming in the way? Is that part of the decision? I think it's pretty cool. Yeah, right. Yeah, I do want to continue streaming do it. Here's the rub. Right. And what what I'm trying to figure out. I usually do it at ten PM at night starting today. My time is my own. Again. I gotta figure out what I do. That's on the business side all the things I wanna do with what I've learned it I because I still want to produce videos. I don't wanna be hopefully part of business out there. You know, I need to make some money as well, but I wanna try streaming and concentration period during the day. And you know, that starts today figuring go home. We'll see. Right onto Twitter, probably where can people keep up the on? Twitch, twitch, TV, slash FM three, underscore not three cares FM three with the underscore. But if you search for f. m. three, it find trying to find a end probably friend now I have an old friend Mira bell, twitch channel. They don't go there. Not use z like FM three super easy while I'm so excited for you Fran. Yeah, thank you for letting me come on Howard. I'm sure you're gonna be on here quite a bit here on out the word. I want to take one moment to save like, wait a second. How come at g. n like come, you announced here on kind of funny and not idea. Well, it's very easy one. You have such an engaged audience that loves all the same stuff and it did come down the numbers and you have a huge audience. And Secondly, your community here kind of funny is already been so supportive for me having coming in all the, you know, it's that thing where I think we all kinda funny best friends run into very tight circle and it is very much you. We've talked about it before. Right? Where I think the sounds weird stick with me and I g in jeans, so big and so diverse that somebody who's reading. Article might not even know who Fran is where somebody watches fire team chat, obviously, but it is that thing we've talked about it before you hadn't been on the show yet ever games in general, but you were already character already knew the banana nut Muffin story every time, Nick mix of rain or something like we knew who you were, they know who you are. So when you came your on twitch thing, right? And it made sense that I would go pop into say, hey, everybody and I would see much and pop up or get mentioned here. A lot of Franny moats examine finished, like widened, unison. I didn't think it was appropriate to go on and say, hey, hire me for work like I've done it. I g because I left now, so hire me and come check out my twist, Jeff, but I'm still going to be back on teen chat obviously to say my farewells, but I wanted people to know that there was no, like I love all my friends at I love I accept Esten, and so that that was the only reason coming here and I love you guys. I kind of funny. So thank you. We're excited for this next chapter. We're happy to be part of it. Thank you so many. How many people are mad. So let me do this. This is kind of funny games daily. If you didn't know each and every week, Dan variety of platforms, we run you through the video game news and even know about if you like that. Be part of the show kind of funny dot com. Slash KF GD with your questions, comments, bad PSN names or few more weeks and everything else under the video game son then watch us recorded live on twitch dot TV, slash kind of funny games. If you're watching live, you've a special job, go to kinda funny dot com. Slash your wrong and tell us what we screw up as we screwed up. I like that Kevin. As I'm saying that no need no need to report that we. On that one. So we can set the record straight on YouTube dot com slash kind of funny games and for everybody listening later on podcast around the globe, housekeeping, four, you extra life. 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Of course, one of the brothers, the heads of rockstar, they put it up. It's a fascinating read covers all sorts of shenanigans about what's happening with red dead too. But one thing a lot of people have keyed in on including games. Bachelor was talking about a one hundred hour workweek. I'm going to read that. However, Jian they already have a response from Dan Houser about the interview in the way it's being spoiled on a long one sick with me. It's gonna lead interesting conversations. Dan Houser said that the team has been working one hundred hour weeks several times in two thousand eighteen later, adding that compared to previous rockstar projects. This was the hardest, his brother. Thank you for the air quotes his brother Sam till. The site earlier this year we've everything we have into red dead redemption to we have really pushed ourselves as hard. As we came. The result is a game that Dan claims sixty five hours long, although five hours of content has actually been cut in boasts. Three hundred thousand animations, five hundred thousand lines of dialogue, recorded by seven hundred voice actors in even more lines of code, the level of detail seen in the trailers and the going preview suggest this work has paid off, but it brings to mind the rockstar spouse incident around the original red dead redemption back in two thousand ten. Just a few months before the game launched an open letter allegedly written on behalf of the wives of rockstar CBS employee's claim that teams that team. Sorry, was expected to work sixty hour weeks, twelve hour days including Saturdays, or they would face disciplinary action rockstar later attributed this to quote people taking me opinions of a few non posters on message boards. As fact. We, this is a quote. Again, we're saddened if any former members of any studio did not find their time here in joy, -able or creatively fulfilling in wish them well with finding environment more suitable to their temperaments in needs. But the vast majority of our company are focused solely on delivering cutting edge, interactive entertainment. The studio said at the time quote, we've always cared passionately about the people working here and have always tried to maintain a supportive creative environment. There is simply no way rockstar could continue to produce such large scale high quality games without this that being said, making great games is very challenging, which is why we have and will continue to try to keep hold of some of the best talent in the industry in support them in every way we can back in February. We asked Strauss Zelma again, this is games, industry dot biz CEO of Rockstars. Parent company take two interactive what the company was doing to ensure that a sequel, the red dead redemption to read interruption did not also produce a sequel to the rockstar spouse zone. The responded that the company is really proud of its work practices. What we have a hard working companies own accent of the time. It's a privilege to work at our company and our labels. And I believe that our work practices are sound inappropriate. If I'm sorry, it is a very busy time, but it's a time that people are anxious to participate in and I stand behind the vulture. Interview also reveals in addition to seven hundred voice actors there. An additional five hundred motion capture are actors making for a cast of twelve hundred all of which is represented by sag after. Although there was no word on the impact of the twenty sixteen strike have on the production. So that's the the big nut of this part that got broken out and people flipped out of history of maybe some questions, practice, actionable practices, but then him saying we're working one hundred hour workweeks turns out there might be more what you saw immediately. Right? Was developers take to Twitter with this. But the the, the knee-jerk response is like, whoa, this is something to be proud of wake reads in the interview is something we're proud that we're all doing hundred our. Yeah. I mean it's been for forever really in the games industry. There's this pride and I worked like crime we I have at my desk at, yeah, another term they use a death March of like, I can't wait to get into the death. March was actually a quote that someone was talking about on Twitter. But yeah, I saw the same thing. It's like it's a trigger point because there's this other side of that's unhealthy force led to whole bunch of people writing into kind of funny dot com. Slash KFI GD with angry responses and a few that weren't, but we'll get to that in a second. As we Dan. They were in house. There were a couple of different people who are like, hey, I work in this industry, not video games, not technology ever. I work in eighty hour work week and I understand that that sucks and it sucks. Somebody's being forced to this, but everybody needs understand. This isn't something central or limited to the video game industry, Tennessee. And there's also the, whether or not you get paid for it, but less about that here. But that's a fact to, obviously, however, Dan Houser solve this is Ian reached out and got a statement. Here's the statement there seems to be some confusion rising for my interview with Harold Goldberg that's over at vulture. The point I was trying to make in the article articles related to how the narrative in dialogue in the game was crafted, which was mostly what we talked about, not about the different processes of the wider team after working on the game for seven years, the senior writing team which consists of four people. Mike Unsworth Rupert, Humphries, Laszlo, and myself had as we always do three weeks of intense work when we wrapped everything up three weeks, not years, we have all worked together for at least twelve years now, and I feel we need to get everything finished. After so many years of getting things organized and ready on this project. We needed to check in finalize everything. More importantly, we obviously don't expect anyone else to work this way across the whole company. We have some senior people who work very hard purely because they're passionate about a project or their particular work, and we believe that passion shows in the games we release, but that additional effort, that effort is a choice and we don't ask or expect anyone to work like this. Lots of other senior people working entirely different way and are just as productive. I'm just not one of them. No one senior origin is ever forced to work hard. I believe we go to great lengths to run a business cares about its people and to make a company that's a great place for them to work. So dialing it back obviously, because that's, that's the interesting thing and you can even speak more to this than me as your career in the game industry's been longer the mind because you're an old man. In what I came here. Like helping you go crying a pair now, a mean back. Crunch again used to be this thing that was celebrated and to the point of it's it's definitely a dirty word now, and there was a thing I forget for what it was, but what Williams obviously, writer, spec ops line worked on battlefront two with Mitch, he and done a piece in a. He had written a book and then released a segment of it. I think I'm calling on that was his love letter to crunch in what good can come from crunch. You ain't got a whole bunch of flack from that, and it is the thing right now where I feel it's the industries in this rear growth spurt. Right? Because it is so young, but it is the thing of like, yeah, bro and bro because I'm not gonna bro thing, but the way I think they're all surfers. I think back to how we used to be three where it was like, yeah, we're, I'm writing DS preview three in the morning. I should he way to work. Right. And I feel like that's catching up to video games. Yeah. No. I mean, you hit the nail on the head. It's catching up. There's a stigma because of like you should be ethical games, make tons of money, the big ones other people's struggle with it. But you know, it really went when you first read this, you're like, oh, boy, here we go. Yeah, that was my first reaction is like Mr. Houser you gotta remember talking about hundred hour work weeks with your team is going to blow up, but now you can see that's not what he was saying. I read what he said. I was like, this feels like like all of us when I'm going to college or whatever. And I like just procrastinate or. They're delayed the game a year and they realized they couldn't get it all how they wanted it. Exactly. So they spent three weeks hundred hour work weeks between a handful of people that seem totally fine to me if they they're passionate to do it. It's also the way you work right and I and I'm not trying. There's a whole bunch of different pieces to this right where right now to bring all we're gonna reduce our personal context. I'm working on the kind of funny game showcase, press conference, which is so much more work than I thought it would be right to wear, like Andrea was going on in the show tomorrow. I'm like, do you wanna do just do without algebra do it. You just like, okay, cool. So I can answer emails and take care of stuff. And that's something I chose to do. I'm into it, but then that's a personal individual. Then there is this question though of how many times maybe obviously, because that's where we worked before, but it was that thing of leaving before your boss. I think any business, right? It's kind of frowned upon. So if you see the writings still slaving away in there, do you have to. With your head of? Well, they're working really crazy stay later. I think that's a very slippery slope is have you made it clear to everyone this clear, but that's what was going on by the way Dan Houser very powerful, man. What if he was just sitting there working away and his writing team felt compelled to stay and they felt it forced upon now we're talking about the right Laszlo. He's been the forever last neck Down's. Exactly. Now they're all there may be optionally, maybe, and then you're right. Everybody's looking in that glass window. Like, I guess I'll just gonna walk right back by them. Then we get the debt cleared a company thoughtful about it, and that's the in the in. The wake of in rockstar has always been a very private company in terms of what's going on behind closed doors, they they wanted to be the rockstar brand. I remember I've only interview Dan Houser once and I remember that was like super watershed moment where I know never give a flying fucker. I talked to Dan, how's it came around? Everybody came over with acid. Do this. Don't say she. You wonder about this one in, has it gotten was the spouse thing? A real thing did get better afterwards. We're there all hands where they were like we need to change. We need these things. The fact that they've released a statement so quickly, I think them, hey, again, the house brothers now reclusive, but not out that often in front of talk yet. They don't speak this quickly. That often, this is very rare, but it is that question of, you know here kind of funny, right? We've been historically, we take the final two weeks of December off. Then come back on January fifth anniversary, but the problem is January fifth, keep sliding deeper and deeper into weeks. Like right now we're debating if we only take the basically one week of December off the last week and then come back and kind of have half off. But that's right now as we wrestle with are we taking the week seventeen off? It is this I keep having it and Kevin refuses listen on this conversation of cool. You don't need to come in. We can figure it out. You want those days off to sleep. Go ahead and do it. Having now where it's like, if your bosses are coming in and you live five minutes away, literally five minutes, I'm telling you as your boss, right? Like I don't give a shit. I'd rather you not come in because I'm gonna have to hear about nobody. That we're not a normal company. That's that's Joe sponsors walking around San Francisco's afternoon, like we're not normal, and that's why for us in your right for us, it's easier to have this conversation and try to stress the Kev that like no, really. Cool, right. Doesn't care. Cougar's got nothing will come in and do it. But that's me struggling to tell that to what it's a company of seven, but of. Four employees like they're three co, founders and foreign plays, and I can't get that message to him one on one we get together and pajamas and play monster hundred literally like how is it for Dan Houser to say that to a company as big as rockstar and stuff like that? Yeah. I mean, I don't think there's any one solution every company's different, but I do believe in especially now and I see it a lot out there now in the gaming community, but certainly having known many programmers developers, she's a culture of overworking yourself and and it kinda sucks because it does affect your mental health and inevitably that is the danger here. It's not just that you're working hard that thing behind it is your mental and physical health. And so I do believe that companies need to have something in place. You might have to force Kevin to not work if you believe that it's right for him. I would say maybe you have to tell them, I'm sorry, you can't. You know, because when you get into the optional side of star Kevin, you just gotta stay at home. I don't. I don't know that that's the right solution, but something's got to be there to make sure. That use a company are taking care of your boys mental health. And I would actually argue that having optional, hey, we're having a zen our that you can participate in those things. I don't think work as well because they're totally optional. And I can tell you personally, I mean, we have like you can get an optional like massage or whatever. You know we have that sometimes I think you still pay for, but it's like you can take that time, but I'm like, I can't take an hour and then I'll be one of those people that's doing it at the level that so I think you gotta put something in place. It's a little more of a mandate. I dunno not running my own company quite yet. Sure. Maybe I'll figure it out in the near future, but that's why when I worked at gene, I instituted a two hour. Smash. You had to like everything's Email with this institute. Two hours. Used to play smash for doing this every day. Shut up. You knew additional lunch. Hey, hey, hey, just so you know, you were in there a lot of time, a hundred percent, not two hours you remember when it came over. Desk. Yeah, there's a life things that at the level I was at filter to you with next Pino trained myself. Hear no evil evil. Ask permission to go by the bottle of. Did not know your garbage can't filing cabinet. Anything comes to him right into nobody. I think I asked you permission and it was when the holiday party got cancelled and everyone was bummed out. I feel like there's so much that's been said on air that just can't be taking back. Obviously, just kidding then have to on the random number one, of course, with all the stuff like I'm interested to see. I was interested to see how many people today wrote in like I'm a really tough spot. I can't wait for red dead, but I don't want it to be if people are being worse to be on their means there'd be on their desires, one out of ten. How do you think Dan handle the situation post in terms of handling with his response? I mean, I think they handle the. Eight or nine like critics gave the best thing to do seven nine for you. Best thing to do right is like not say it or be very clear then, but I also understand what it's like to be an interview for three hours and you say something that you think's crystal-clear and then they say something like, oh, oh, you see in print you like we weren't on the exact same threat here? Yeah. Again, the recourse was awesome rated tonight he did. Awesome. Number two. This is a very short when compared to the giant while we've had, there's not going to be any halo infinite at x eighteen. Brian Giral jarred, right? Yeah. Community director, three or four, three guy a conversation with a kid. He responded, I say, kid somebody on Twitter who asked about halo and finis information at the event. And he said, quote, I love to start getting more info out there and we're talking internally about what when where, how but nothing planned currently planned for Exo eight. So maybe something will happen, but no, no, no. You think this adds more credence to the fact that it's definitely nexgen game. That's been the sort of thought in rumor is that this is actually an action product 'cause they haven't been explicit. I don't think up to this point. If I, if I've been able to follow it dot com slash you're on. We'll find out. Well, my my main question this is for both. You know, one of those next gen I really, I really do think they're going to be like whatever next-gen is for XBox. I do think it's going to be all supposing you Xbox One. This doesn't have that, but it does because they're doing this cloud x. cloud or whatever, which is the idea that you can have an Android phone or maybe windows. You can have just played on your phone. I know there's not what anymore, but you can play the same games at a lower graphical setting or whatever. So you're right. Maybe it just works across all the platforms in the future. And that's my biggest question about next year in general. Line of gameplay systems to get streaming? Yeah, future that is the holy grail assume most people know that, but if not, everything will be and should be in the cloud. Eventually nobody. I mean, I love hardware. We went through the same thing with like digital assets, right? But eventually it's going to be just like Netflix where you like as long as I get the high quality bit rate I need. I don't wanna like own all these games physically or whatever we do so much stuff digitally anyway. So you're just one more step away from? I don't need store. That's where it's gonna keep going. I feel like they're gonna keep trying to wean people off of this because so many people are like there, right? An all time. I want hardware and I want the copies and I want I want to have it on my shelf and I want this on the internet sex am. There's always things that once they turned that corner, and that's no longer a problem and five, jeez everywhere or whatever it's going to be. That's when it gets interesting how many times we been let down by this promise though, on live on. We were talking about it and like, oh, like somebody's talking about like last week and we're doing all this stuff about streaming of like, oh yeah, on the bones of this. And I'm like, no, I remember Scott low walking around gene with a gen one ipad playing or com CD. I think you know what I mean? Like on live was way ahead of the game and nobody cares. It's just too much. Do believe the technology is it's, I don't know if it's far away, but it seems really far away still even though have you played assassin's creed on? No, I didn't try the Google Chrome streets. It's shocking. Was it smooth? Like the game paid delay, wasn't there? It was really, really awesome. We. Yeah, I did it look good as well. Well, the problem is we having enough? No, let me let me let me get there. We were playing off Jarrett's tiny, tiny computer, and I- Chromebook know what the resolution time here, the resolution of the screen. I have no idea what it was. So it was not nearly as clear as I wanna play at home. He has for pro, but I'm sure the better connection better computer wouldn't. And that's where time scale. And you said the right words, I think once we're on five g. and it's reading now we're talking because that's so fast. Yeah. So maybe we'll be closer them. Yeah, I can't wait. Somebody did writing. I didn't didn't make the rundown anything. We were in touch on it that they did a assassin's creed through project stream this weekend and had a knock great experience with it, which I'm not not shocking. It's going to be case by case only things that play Jared's laptop in particular, Jared, number three, digital sales of call of duty, black ops, four have broken some records. This is game games industry Bizet's, Christopher during call of duty, black ops for a set new. A new digital download record. Active has revealed. The game is achieved activision. Biggest launched a digital sales besting. The likes of destiny to it is also the fastest selling digital game in PlayStation history. It said a new day record for digital game sold via the PlayStation store, an Xbox One. It also set a record as activision, biggest XBox digital launch. The game was made available on PC view. The blizzard's battle dot net service for the first time parentheses. Historically, the game was sold. The esteem, it's a new franchise record with digital launch tales more than double would call duty World War to manage to do during the same period in two thousand seventeen. According to activision, more people connected online to play Baba's four during launch day than last year's WW to the publisher stopped short of saying the game outperform last year's title in physical launch sales of duty, black ops for declined by almost fifty percent in the UK compared to call of duty World War Two. That's the question Jimmy. These things always come out. You're like, let's see. Let's be precise as possible with our word usage to break. Yeah, but you look at it and you're like, digital game. Sales are increasing year on year every year. Right. What is the air website that they use. Kind of wrong. Correct. But literally it's on track to do the same thing next year in theory until things slowdown. But but I do say reading between the lines and having played a lot of black out at least it, I think it's doing pretty darn well, how much have you quite a bit play SRI minute? Yeah, streaming which dot TV slash FM, three, underscore. That's the one much first night or you can people sub partner and people can sub. That's one of the best ways support me and what I'm doing out there what their car right now. They don't use twitch, but they have Amazon prime. Well, if you have Amazon prime, you might have free subs giveaway every month. Otherwise, Jeff Bezos is gonna take your money. Yes, exactly. Go out there and give it to somebody. It doesn't have to be me. It could be kind of funny game. Look at that look at your. You're ready. Thank you very much. But yeah, I played quite a bit on Friday and Saturday, you know, had a lot to think about, but but Friday actually hopped in and this was really interesting hopped in and I am not like an awesome FBI guy as much as I played destiny and four nine, everything. Sure. I'm like, okay, there's always a learning curve, but I that I hopped in and it was my second match and almost like lazily got victory, ROY out, whatever they call it. I was like, okay, and then I was feeling good in the next day. Just hair-pulling Lee bad. Everyone everyone's off work in school and they're ready to go. It was bad. The second because I actually tweeted out. I was like, if you don't think this game's like accessible, check it out, it's for everybody. Next AB going to retract my tweet. I'm like, it's bad out there. You're gonna have a bad time. I might have just had some bad drops, but blackout in particular the better AOL mode is a lot of fun. I can't speak as much to the multiplayer and zombies is always like a great experience. Just launched a patch, I think for. And so I think it's worth checking out if I came home, dropped in, did one blackout match, just the feel for see what it was like. It was like, oh, cool. I could see playing more this closed. It went back to scripture. I got work. Big, I saw you beat it, right? Yeah, we have questions coming up. Yeah, yeah. Jen's IRA on Twitter was very much in real life as well. I think you're crazy to try to do before red dad, like forget him out, never four on the Roper report. And the final news story of the day you coups has hit a very important milestone. This is from Mike Harbin's over a video game or dot com. It's he led talking about how sonic sold the whole bunch like it's cross some threshold who the fuck cares, but then it gets into this important stuff. Sega's twenty eighteen integrated report also confirmed that persona and yakuza have sold nine point three million and eleven million units worldwide respectively. While Apu has drummed up twenty seven million units, speaking of you Cousy it seems the franchise is finally getting the attention. It deserves in the US and UK. Apparently you Cousy six sold as many copies in the west as it didn't. Japan, which definitely wasn't the case for the earlier titles. In the past, this is a quote in the past, the Japanese market has generated the bulk of sales for the series, and although it has elements that are appealing to overseas. Oh, and although. No, that's just weird. Translation. However, the game was not developed with the European and US markets in mind. Confirmed Sega's Kenji Matsubara. Matsubara himself. Yeah. If you don't know. Time when Knicks here. Thanks to painstaking. Thanks to painstaking efforts to create a game that Japanese fans will appreciate. The title has become popular, not only Japan but also won over fans overseas who praised the refined game sense of the title. I believe this is why who's a six song of life has become such a popular hit around the world? Yeah. I've always loved the games. Yeah, I kind of out I had enough yakuza I was wondering like, why do you think this happened? Do you think it gained traction with the right, like influencers and just like press that that got the word out or that they did something with the game itself? I think it's, I think it's more of the fact that it got into the right. I think the games have changed in a way that suddenly you see, you know, Kuzma texting a bike, flipping over with granny on it or stuff like, what is this? I need to jump in. You watch twitch. You watch the idea behind it. It's easier disseminate that information. Whereas when I was reviewing them and I put it up on in the blog roll says, you review you keep rolling. Right? And even if you read the intra paragraph, it don't be a loser. Construct ransom construct wanted. I didn't win, but I think, yeah, it's probably a combination of things, but I did see Mexico Ville actually had put up, which is a clip of him, like kicking through everything in a room, and it was ridiculous. I also saw some of these other crazy cups on social. I feel like that action contributed. It's a fun game in great and everything, but it plays the best right in gifts or even screen shots and the ability to share all that stuff has definitely seen an uptick in like what is going. There's like a whole. There's a great Twitter thing that's coups out of context, really weird, three shots and courts from the game stuff got to be a Reddit it as well. Of course. Yeah. Now I can't wait to see what they do with the next to me as well, but it's still so far away. I need something more imminent, like, say, what came to the mama grop shops today frame. Tell me where I go the official lists of upcoming software across each and every platform as listed by the kind of funny games. Daily show host each and every weekday do do do do do do yes. Today defiance, twenty fifty gets a trouble in paradise update, hand fate to the acclaimed action role playing game from defiant development embraces the darkness with a servant and the beastie will not play for Xbox One PC, MAC and links. And then in the rare Monday release on the poem readings for now, if you're like. Me ladies and gentlemen, you said, excuse me, palm ratings on the PlayStation for that sounds like an easy platinum. So you went to find out more about this game where I went was the PlayStation candidates gore, the store that had this bio for it palm reading premium is the most luxury and professional pulmonary and chronology software out there. You can use it to analyze, read and master your palm lines and poem fingers without knowing anything of hand reading, understand yourself, better with simple slash quick and entertaining image tests. Get analytics of your, and I was like, this thing sounds like the easiest platinum in the world, Charles j wrote in kind of funny dot com. KF GD and said. Greetings, Greg, Mr.. Yes. Sorry about that. So I was looking through the new releases in one game popped into my mind for one specific reason. It sounds like an easy Platt for Greg, it's calm. It's called palm reading and it counts as a game according to the PlayStation blog, yet there's no trophies tied to it at all. I even checked the release history on steam every your tension is I remember a promise, a promise to us that every game would have trophies. And as far as I know, they've kept to that since the implementation, they haven't, but it doesn't matter. It might be a matter of lack of game player something. But if slide my name is mayo, etc. Can get platinum trophies. I'd say a poem, reading title has at least ten easy bronze trophies may occur now, again, juries out. We don't know for sure they, he's going off the the game wasn't up on ESPN yet when I got here the the fact that the trophies wanna be on Exo phase, yes, which I did not check kinda funny dot com. Slash you're on good and check it out, but the Charles j going steam to look at the steam trophy list and they're not being any that is Trump. Let me see. You're going to see your. No, you've been played. You trophies are not in your future. Dammit Fram that was good. Good on new destiny twos festival. The loss begins tomorrow, Tuesday, October, sixteenth, at ten. Eight set dig concludes Tuesday, November six at ten AM what is lost all about. Oh, yeah. I mean every year destiny has these little events where they decorate the tower. And with that comes some new and Graham's and some new items to my reverse. But it's also cool things earned. You can wear these masks to kind of dress up your guardian. But I will say if you read the bungee update you team chat as well. We went over last Friday. But they basically are doing some new stuff. There's going to be a new mission. It's opened up later on and there's some quest line stuff to do. So actually there's a little more meat on the bone on this one. I believe there's also a legendary Autorite for some that you can earn so so you have got some good stuff on this when if you're a big destiny fan forsaking been awesome. So I was gonna say, you're everybody's, it seems like every is back on the positive swing of decimal. My goodness. They really course corrected. I could go on for a whole show, but they have so much content out there and it really feels like the glory days of destiny one year late in the year two and into your three, but have been having tons of fun and the grind is real. But yeah, but it's fun. We should play some time. I can't. I can't fit that it. We can't catch up odyssey. You got to ask you about Ligo red palm reading. If it's trophies or they're gonna do palm reading tonight. I just can't. I'm sorry. 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No, our our kids are good about a little extra guy was put music behind your aunt. So he skipped faster. And I was like, no. No, I can't do that. Actually, that's a loss leader for the people. A friend. You mentioned that they're assassin's creed off. Kevin has as well. You're, you're all big. Talk trying to beat at this week. It'd be this weekend. No man, not even close. Remember when I was like, I'm just going to power through it turns out I didn't, right. I enjoyed the right way too much. Yeah. What you told me what is what are you right now you become? I haven't checked since I told you, but then it was seventy five seventy five hours into this game all my goodness. Yikes. Yeah, probably scratching the surface from what I've seen. I hadn't had chance to play. It's fantastic. One of those things I wanna make time to do play a game like assassins. It's on my list right now. Here we go. Whisper writes in and says, hey, Greg, mystery host. Mike question is now that you've innocent mainly for me, you haven't touched it. I won't accept your answer. You finish AC odyssey which is your favorite odyssey assassin's creed or Super Mario very different games, but which one is better? Which game is your favorite to dealing? There's a difference between a game being your favorite and the best game. Thanks whisper there. So yeah, I beat the story of absence creed over the weekend. I'm at fifty three fifty, four hours. Save your officiant amount there. I'm hustling transaction thing too. I know that's the thing is I beat it. I'm by no means done. I have a whole bunch of cult members ago after I would like to platinum, will it happen? Who knows before red? No fucking way. But I'd like to do at one day and all stuff. What I what is better assassin's creed odyssey or Super. Mario totally different game. Yeah, such a weird question asked, let's see or Super Mario. I mean. I love absence scream. I'm having a great time. Super. Mario is polishing every aspect. Whereas this asince creed does have it's weird hangups here and there. But again, completely different games. I also say this knowing that last. Odyssey. Super. Mario was my game of the. That's the one I was hoping for. That's what I voted for Zelda one, whatever. Yes. You know what I mean, whatever. Okay. But Zelda was tough. Choice? Exactly. This year Odyssey's on my definitely be if I, if I invited back to giant bomb for top ten list, it's going to be on there. But I mean God of war still line game of the year this year. Based on what you've experienced is a secrete odyssey the best assassins creed for you based on my experience. Yes. Seems that way I, we've talked about this a little bit, but to recap, like right, fell in love with the series with two in SEO loved brotherhood kind of drifted. I was in and out of him for a while thought black flags. Gameplay was the best. But then I think this one, this is the best story up. I mean, like until the end, like when when the final cut scenes played out yesterday for me, there's different endings. I put it on the controller. I wanna game fucking game. I was not to mention the game plan how much I want to go back and how much I want to their stuff. Yeah, looks incredible. Are you? Can you actually get into? Oh me, yeah. Got to find the time. I mean, it's funny. This is my first day that I'm like. Yeah. I mean, I still have to start creating new lines of business, but dude, I wanna play that game bad. What's your game? The anti from England writes in and says, question Greg. You mentioned several times recently asks odyssey and now that you've completed. I was wondering if you feel stacks up to current front runners. I presume for game of the year. God worn Spiderman. Can't it be considered on that level or is it slightly below, say slightly below and say a monster hundred world here. Good luck getting that platinum before you read. Did code arrives Andy? Yeah, I'm still gotta worse. Still my game of the year. Spider-Man was an amazing experience, and I love man. I think it's an awesome incredible game, but I don't think it'd be a war odyssey where I think Odyssey's. Awesome. But I don't think this beat Spiderman. Yeah. Yeah. There's almost something. I mean, got a war is huge, but I almost feel like in some ways when the games get too big and there's throws the pace off Spiderman. In essence, again, I haven't played those yet, but I've seen plenty of getting. Hundreds hours to play desk every night. You're playing a lot of destiny as well, but the pace and polish of God awards just blew my mind. And this is something Kevin Kevin touched on this morning where I was like, well, where are you in the story and Kevin Tomi and he's like, am I close? And he's also is also going to be on this quest forever because there are in odyssey that are like you unlock it, and it's okay, cool. Do these four things like I see how we're gonna keep this question going, whereas God of War I always felt like it was moving at a good clip and it had not that I'm atas odyssey drags, but I definitely all right now I'm running across the maps to this other point of interest or whatever for a different. It's a different vibe, but definitely fucks with the pacing. And honestly, just the combat in God of war, it's so polish and the tactile feel of it just kept drawing me in. And actually this was one of those games that normally this rarely happens to me, but normally I wanna go right through the campaign so to speak, right. This had me go into those little side areas and trying to get the special items complete. But my armor sets and stuff and few games do that. Man got a war was just to that, and that's the thing is like God of where I felt like it was such a total one hundred percent out of a pack. It's a package and I wanted to do everything. We'll see if red dead can can take. We will see read that allies on. Are you excited. I'm so excited that I can't finish AUSSIE beforehand though off the map marker. So you just have to get your points of interest from. I'm going to see that seems like asking for it to take like five hundred hours exploration mode is similar. Have you heard about this where there's the normal assassin's creed and when you start, it's like, do you want guided or do you want explore totally. Yeah. And if you do the exploration one, it's like they take away the associated question. So here you have to actually look at a map and figured out and pieces together. And it's like, whoa, it's north of the year, the mint or whatever. We don't. No way. In fifty hours. Yeah, but I mean at the end there I was like, I wanna I wanna go to the story stuff. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But I, I love the concept though. When I read, I was like, that is so cool idea like you have to talk to somebody. Burke cactus, and then go past. Hired as one of the seven thousand voice actor. Snaking my Toy Story, Chris from is z. rights into kind of funny dot com. Slash KF GD and says this past weekend. I went on a guys trip with a group of friends to a quote, gamers ranch that has video games and especially board games, gamers ranch dot com. The ranch had both in HCC five, Anna Pius VR setup and I was and it was the first time I was able to really sink my teeth into VR. I beat sabres. Awesome. So good reached, sir. Pre is on the. Announced in coming, but who knows one second, I'm very interested in pursing PlayStation VR. Here's my question. Do you think it's a good time to purchase PlayStation VR? We just at the two year anniversary, so I'm scared that if you purchase one now that a new model potentially right around the corner. And do you think there will be black Friday type deals on PS VR in the coming month. Thanks for all the content. Chris from Missouri. I at the top, I want to take away their new one. I think it's a great time to buy PlayStation VR as Jared. Now we're talking on games gas, and I think a little bit here on this show last time. Like there's you actually have a lineup now where you'd have a debate of a top ten list, and there would be actually, what do I want to put on their own out, want to over the weekend. There was a tweet similar tweet about as to university, what's your favorite game? And I listed bunch and then people start responding, like what about this totally forgot about that. That is a great game that totally wanted her married her yet. Like I think there's enough out there to justify the purchase for sure, especially when you talk about there being an astronaut plus moss bundle yet or to amazing VR games. Yeah. What occurs. Platforms like this, especially at launch, they have this idea that it's a gimmick that's gonna made and like it was like three d. TV's and other experiences before that Virtual Boy, you think it's gonna fail? Right? But it's been how long. And, but even that time just added so much to. So yeah, that's where like I think it started as a question and now it's like if you like, VR. Absolutely. My only thing hold me back beat sabres, not on it yet. Everyone. I guess they're killer. Al tetris effect killer at some amazing. I'm sorry. I'm calling from. Calling from. Also Fran how? No, that's. How how dare you? Fuck what. Three TV's in the same like echelon as your. Ridiculous. Three TV do not suck actually working there. Nobody wants to watch that they're dead for James. Cameron suck. What's wrong with him. He's a lot of where to start even another fifty. One minutes from everything wrong with Kevin, in terms of will be a price drop black Friday. Bundles. I assume that'll be retailer retail, they'll be discounts on place should be. Of course, I think you can find that. No problem. When will they release the next PlayStation? VR headset. Great question. I don't see it being free this year, and then if that doesn't happen, I don't know if you do it in the same year. You're talking about PlayStation. I know because then you're talking about two giant things. I think I don't. It could happen right before places you five which does put us in the spitting window now or right after places for money? Yeah. I mean, what's the main thing they need with hardware? The resolution, the resolution screen door, better screening there. And I just don't right now the thing you can hang your hat on the way they should be like, hey, yeah, there's better VR units, but for the price for the library for the axe accessibility. Yet you're just plugging this into a system and going for the price and the games available really can't be beat right there. They're just leaning into that until it gets big enough. So I, I would think not, but I also think if you could get it on a deal of black Friday, I don't think you're gonna lose that much in terms of the hotness of what that would even. What that would have. Nice -ssume that any games you buy would work on the that for sure. So you're pretty safe on that front? I Chris from alone, Leon, Lana, yo low neon. Chris from low neon were to say right saying to kinda funny dot com slash k. f. GD and says, I'm just sitting here playing fallout shelter, and it made me wonder, are there any mobile games which you guys just couldn't stop playing even long after their life span? You ever get a mobile game for him? I, I actually was into Pokemon go for a while. So there was that that was right during launch, and I was trying to catch them all yet. I didn't think I would get into it, but man, I was buying the polka balls and everything outside of that. You know, and it strikes me as this is my first days of Freeman. Every time I picked up my phone. I was on Email so I wasn't. I'm not against mobile gaming. Although weight I should add to things that's out to me. I do like impossible runners or whatever they call them endless runners. So there's this game impossible road, John loved, and it's just like taking this ball down a track. There's a lot of games out there like that that I really like that. And then of course, the room series which was more like stuff, but the room which has got an ounce for Nintendo switch, I believe. But those types of what is the awesome. It's like missed. So you just like going room and solve puzzles. It's awesome. So actually check it out on switch years old. There's room three. Now, maybe four. I don't even know, but so those guide into, but it was always when I was like flying when I couldn't like have connection. For me right there three, the jump to mind number one game Dev story. Oh, drop that with. I mean, but that was solid week. I would say of nonstop playing on the on the bar to and from Gina at the time spark aid. Do you remember spark aid? It's something that we did a sponsorship with him. It would have been not last year that you before. Right? Kevin is that's so many sixteen. They launched this app. That was classic games. You could play within the app, but you played against each other other people and you can either within game currency were real money. So I was such a tetris fiend that I got up to one hundred bucks of touch real money in there. That from people I was winning and I, I was I was legitimately obsessed with it for a while where it was like I'd come home and not play real, not real games going on my console, I'd sit there and play tetris on my phone to try to best the score to try to earn more money, even though it wasn't about the money, it was just about, hey, here's a teenage -able reward playing. It's it's actually it's funny. There were more games now that are coming back to really into fire emblem launcher. Awesome. Tetris had. Leveling and all the stuff. One locks and I was like, yeah, I'm trying to. There's so much out there on mobile. Actually. Really. It's where you play it and why I know for me right now and it's going to be next week. I al- all fucking systems go Ghostbusters world yet. And so full closure. Of course, I was, I got to cast in the commercial and we're working on sponsored, let's play party mode for them soon. So if you wanna take with a grain of salt, go ahead but y'all know, huge goes Ted and it's polka mongo Ghostbusters and the build I have, which is not launched, obviously runs well enough, and I'm out there busting goes, is that like I turned a corner last night of like, man, I'm just building up these coins. What does that four and I lost I couldn't. I was doing thing goes got away. And at the end is like, well, you know, maybe she consider upgrading your weapons upgrade my weapons. And then I went into the upgrade tree. Now the RPG of making my proton pack in this is where they get into micro transactions where it's in game. I some in no, no, Indian currency to upgrade my stuff. Right. And I have tons of game currency. However, it's cool. We're. Researching your new particle thrower which means that for fifteen minutes this what we're working on, unless you wanna use a gym right now or whatever to do it, and I don't want gyms getting speed up your professional. That's how they do it. And that's how Pokemon goes to right of like maybe wanna walk around this egg for a while or use the gems right now speak salvation types. Exactly. But you can't just do it over and over and over again to like. If you want to spend all the money, that's the PVC stuff. So who cares that's doing. Yeah, I thought it looked good man. Like I said, I got caught up on Pokemon go, kind of. I couldn't keep up with it. I'm actually excited to. I'm very much not spot. No, yeah. No, yeah. Very much in that. Like I, the thing I was talking about with like a Darth maul the NFL showed one where the gates are closed. I'm just pacing 'cause I'm playing the game. But since it's gonna wipe servers until I can't invest as much, I want to like I'm still doing dimensional doors which are like polka stops and it's like, what is this for? I just like it exactly. You go as far as to like, educate yourself in what you need to know. Then far I don't eat so much that have the real at all over again when it comes out. Oh, do we wanna final question. So many good ones. It's hard to choose. Kevin. You get to decide. All right. Do you wanna talk about and you don't just yell out the one you want price, Aimal. Fortnight. Dances? Yeah, four. Do you wanna talk about XBox game pass, or do you wanna talk about a rumored PlayStation message that bricks consul fun. That one, Michael Angelou writes in the kind of funny dot com slash KF GD and says, PS a announcement. I saw this article and then it's a tweet, but doesn't matter about how there is someone who is sending messages via the PlayStation network that can possibly brick your system are vising us to change our privacy settings to honor messages to private something that can be done from the PS messages app. So better safe than sorry, saw this break over the weekend. I forget who tweeted at one of whose one punch man is their avatar, not Titus, somebody like that. You know, I'm talking about dot com slash role, and I went in and it was a reset era thread or maybe a are slash gaming thread about, hey, there's this message that got into all my team while we were playing rainbow six and bricked all consoles, and we all had a factory, reset them and back and forth back. And you look at the message sent and it's like something in another language. And then it's like the question marks from like, you don't have the way to start with in. So I really wouldn't change my PSA messages to private because I don't know what the FOX going on, and there were all these other people saying it's happened to me. It's own this, you gotta do this and if you apparently turn on your your PlayStation and you've gotten the message, if you see the preview or you go into your messages, it's going to break your unit, but in this is all rumor speculation, right? I was like, validate. But if you go into your. App for messages. You can delete it there before. Anything would happen your console. So I don't know. Some people like this is bullshit how possibly happen. And I was like, people, you know, you'd be surprised like if the system can't handle what that is, it doesn't know what to do. And if lips the fuck out, I have not seen officials thing for PlayStation. I have not seen anyone officially report on this. It is just rumor and scuttle butt on the dark web as they say. Yeah, I definitely set my message, private chemical, didn't we have something similar happen with not breaking, but with I phones were if you sent a certain message with the black dot, it would shut down your phone. I went from there with that. I mean, like I'm certain of it like I actually looked at videos like. Kind of breaking down what was happening. Yeah. And it was exactly it couldn't interpret stuff, so we got into a loop rate just kept trying to purple the message. So it's very possible that something like this could happen. So yeah, I, it was something I would imagine it'd be patched Somo quickly real. There'd be a statement if anybody's out there shaking on thing. I kind of forgot. Yeah. Was looking to ask PlayStation just to see if anything was on their Twitter, feed him out, seen anything yet. So someone out there, have you see weird message areas through? Yeah, don't fuck. Come on now, but I'm back Mercedes. Saves Nova with it. Always gentlemen. This is us squad up, but I forgot to put in there. Rick role in morning. It said, I'll tell you the new segment that we have with limited time called the final bad PSN names. As you know, Fran, she sheet of no longer hates us and is going to allow us to change our names, which mean we need to say about names. I've asked people to write in the kinda funny dot com KF with their bad Pearson, their personal bad names, and the reasons why now we've done the crass before I'm beyond. I love you. These are more heartfelt story so far which I appreciate like Kim's Cam writes in two dot com KF GD and says bad name, incoming. So with the news that we will be able to change our PS and names man was quietly excited. The name I have is VR k. a. one sounds harmless enough, but it was one of those dumb kids lash teenage things. So the VR is the initials of the girl I was with at the time. And then k. a. is mine. Of course, of course, that. Relationship didn't last. So it's super, super awkward to tell my current partner when she asks what your ideas after what your what your ID is named after. Because she wants to ask because she forgets and I got, I got, well, it's an old girlfriend awkward. So Finally, I can't wait twenty. Nine hundred change my name. Also. First time writer, a longtime listener level. The shows in the does thanks for listening to my awkward story came. Yeah, that's a bad. You're not the only one out there. Probably with that. That's not my story, but I know those are out there. Yeah. Oh my God. There's so many people tied up and that's the thing is again, we used to be you're right in with a bad name. You did something stupid. As your kid, you saw somebody doing whatever you right him for twenty. Exactly like this one that is awkward to be like, well, this is why this, oh my God. It's never good when you open your own and there's thirty two or smartest really. They're all saying the same thing, but you never know. You know what I mean? Terrible. Jomon corrections. We ask you watching live on twitch dot TV such kind of funny games go to dot com. Slash your own until you tell us what we got wrong, what we screwed up. We set the record straight for washing later and YouTube dot com. Let's kinda funny games listening podcast services around the globe capitalist pigs says, the what Williams book I referenced was significant zero, the polygon articles. What else? The thing. No, we don't care about that. A lot of people they want to come in and this is something dropping down. This isn't. Yeah, I'm on now. It's not cool. Okay. Carson from Utah says Perec's box dot com. Halo infant is exclusive to Xbox One and windows ten. We the question of like is going to be a next gen or whatever. They have gone on the record saying Xbox One. But again, what we, what will XBox to be. In public, but. 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To say, I liked, I wanna put it out of Zaire says, disguise five is complete is coming on October twenty second to steam. What if the developers from the poem reading game route in that would be the most of your mortgage? We got trophies frames Lord of Ponce. Neidl is the one punch man, avatar, Twitter. Thank you very much. That's where we got a lot of people writing in you do do do do do do doodo to, oh. Newish Neo AO. She says, Sony has released a statement on Twitter about that thing is from the ask PS, underscore UK. We've since fixed the issue and it wasn't breaking consuls just sending them new crash loop that can be quickly fixed in under five minutes. Delete the message from the the place issue. Mobile app going to save mode us option five and the council. We'll be back to normal. So there you go all his. Well, we're fine. Thank you guys for thank you blackjack riding with that too. Zaire says new date for your corpse party book shadows comes on October twenty. 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Breaking Down That Controversial Red Dead 2 Quote - Beyond Episode 563

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Breaking Down That Controversial Red Dead 2 Quote - Beyond Episode 563

"This episode of beyond is brought to you by four him Stott com. F. o. r. h. i. m. s. dot com. Not underestimate the power of PlayStation. Beyond beyond beyond beyond beyond and Hello everyone. My name is Jonathan nor I Amir host for this episode beyond five hundred sixty three. I'm joined this week by Tina Amini. Hello. Brian Altana was up an Alex Osborn a face. You may not recognize, but a name you should. If you read, I'm Alex has been a freelance writer. I how long have you been writing Fredge in little over three and a half years is a long time, and now you're not just here as a writer of ours. You are officially part of the team. You are our homepage editor. So if you're wondering what's going on on the homepage, that's all Alex's fault. You can always blame him why the store you love isn't number one on the page, but if it's if you want it to be number one, keep clicking on announced that there is that the trick you just keep refreshing. You keep refreshing. I didn't know we had that power. Yeah. So Alex, tell us a little bit about yourself where you coming from. So I'm coming from LA LA for a year. Moved out here after being on the east coast, some actually from Rhode Island or. Originally I'll call and what so people get a sense of the game. You love, entertainment, you, love. I know your big anime fan. So addition to seeing my name for news and stuff. The past few years I've been doing a lot of any reviews my hair, academia reviews, some movie reviews, and yeah, so anime is kinda my bread and butter right now. It's kinda like an RPG without all the grinding. So. And then yeah, and just news and met sort of stuff. So that is a great tagline frenemy. I like the John Raza whole mission for needed that, but that works really well like that a lot. We're super excited to have you here. Thank you. Thank you for being on the show you said you've been listening Tijam podcasts before this very long time. Yeah. Well, now you got to make monstrosity of an episode with us. We're going to just jump right into it. Yeah, we have a lot to talk about this week in the world of PlayStation and just giving general. There's a lot going on right now. Obviously with the crazy fall season, we're first going to go into the idea that you may have encountered a possible, not great message on PlayStation four recently, a lot of PlayStation for users have been hit with this malicious message exploit essentially, a lot of people have been getting a message that has sort of it has a word emoji and a string of random characters associated with it, and it's causing people systems to kind of go haywire. Initially, people were saying their systems were being bricked, however, PlayStation sort of commented as people were addressing. The issues said specifically from. The ask PlayStation, UK account PlayStation said, we've fixed this issue. This was a few days after people reporting it, and it wasn't bricking consoles. Just sending them into a crash loop that can be quickly fixed in under five minutes. Delete the message on the PS mobile app going safe mode us option five, whatever option that may be and the council will go back to normal. What is safe mode? There's a safe mode on PS four. Yes. There's a real news. Yeah. I mean, there are a lot of sitting as I journal, which I forgot to do a lot is like take the precaution that your system gives you when you first get it. It's like an easy thing to ignore. I haven't put two factor authentication on half my accounts until like a year in always ladder be on all your Jan account. They are. I promise, let me go check that real quick. It's like, obviously the seems to be a pretty consistent thing that happens in the holiday seasons. We see a lot of acts like all these things, but this is a message exploit just getting the message and having it appear in your system. It causes this crazy crash loop better than it breaking the system, but just as terrifying for people who have no idea what that it's slightly better than the worst thing that could happen better, but still not the best. It's comfortable and you don't have to send it in. So that's much better. Yeah. That gives me like nightmares of the old XBox through sixty days of the mailing you that coffin for the revenues. And yeah, that was dark times. It's it's a pretty crazy thing. Luckily place has mentioned, as we said on the comment that they are working on a fix for it. They are looking into, I think a software update as well to officially get rid of this bug because it may be hitting people. But obviously, if you haven't gotten this message, it just in case, make sure all of your privacy settings are correct. Make sure only friends or even no one. Don't let anyone talk to you. Only your friends can send you messages is hacker issue friend, maybe it's you. The hack was coming from inside us. It is that weird thing of, I feel like as our systems can do to be more online, more interconnected with each other. Like this can be more and more of a problem. It's really important to take those precautions. Do we hope that do you think we'll see more from Sony in the future to protect your systems, especially with PS five and these name changes which will get into a bit and all the ways that Pearson is changing? Yeah. What would you hope to see from them if anything specific while I mean it's interesting because this was sort of a very simple hack. You haven't even call it that. And so it's it's hard to predict like when someone can come up with an exploit as simple and destructive this. So I imagine it's gonna be kinda work in progress. I don't know if. I have expectations for safeguards against right out of the bat. I mean, historically, accompany even saying, you know, we're going through extra lengths to make sure the is is almost seen as challenge to hackers. I remember like with the notoriously the Dreamcast they were like, oh, hackers whenever hack it, and they acted on the first day. So people will find a way no matter what, but I'm I'm glad that cat and mouse game keeps going because it means that ultimately things keep getting safer, but I think would so much infrastructure being built as we'll talk about the name change thing on old ideas. It's only had, you know, sometimes deck a decade ago. We probably won't see a lot of this stuff change until the next PlayStation comes out for now would probably stuck with whatever infrastructures there which is kinda scary. Yeah, like work around fixed. Yeah. It's one of those things where before every Christmas, like I remind myself, make sure just all your counts are put on private or they're secure because people really tend to hit her on the holidays when people are getting new systems. Yeah, it's it's for the kids just opening their PS four, and here's all the things that we're going to go wrong with it. Interestingly, the as we're recording right now is also dealing with some outages sort of across all the services whether to related to this hacker them trying to fix it and put stuff sort in the back into fix it, they haven't said, but they're working on it. And just right before we came in, things were updating and back online and being secure. So it's nice to see them addressing whatever problem that may be, but also these problems so quickly. And so readily when we saw a lot of users on read it, especially pointing to these problems. Right. And you look at last gen, we're PS Emma's down for, you know, what felt like months at a time, it was weeks or maybe days there's that great out. Yeah, it was. There was a, there was a while we had an article on Aegean that said is PS down just said, yes, I think we have that as a Wikipedia now for both XBox live NPS. Are these systems online? Yes, they are. Okay. But immediately you always see our traffic spike whenever there's an issue is very weird. Yeah, thankfully PlayStation looks to be resolving this issue. It's nice. They've jumped on it silk quickly, and I think it's a sign that they're going to continue as we see a lot of changes to the updates toward the end of the life cycle and a new life cycle kick in. It's nice to see them actually making all these changes and upping their security. If you're able to play your PS and you're not having any issues, chances are you may have already played Spiderman or you are getting ready to play these firemen, deal sea. Shockingly, we have some more sales figures about Spiderman. It sold well, why? I know right? It's it's quite as far as it was the number one downloaded game on the PS n. for September, we previously learned that it's three point three million copies in I three days the fastest PlayStation exclusive all time. And luckily we don't have to wait that much longer for new content. The first part of the three pack of DC the city that never sleeps is coming out on the twenty third and we saw the first new suits. They're going to be three suits in this package. I wanna know what you all. Think of these there. These scarlet spider suit number two or scarlet spider to a brand new suit, which was created by a marvel. Artist named Gabriel Dada. And then there is also these spreader UK case which is from the spider verse collection. So what are you all think of these first off, just how they look. They look glossy. They do. I like I hate to say this, I, this game peaked with the the sort of cell shaded, animated, you know, Spiderman costume, and I never took that off that it was just so fantastic. I'm glad they keep adding more because that's really cool, but it I just wanna say right now none of them will ever be better than that. That's the best one. I'm honestly like a classic Spidey look person. Yeah, it's just because I'm a traditionalist and it's cool because I'm sure we've talked about this at thousand times, you know, on on here and on the site, but we, you can just match any kind of abilities to any of the suits. That really is a purely aesthetic thing. So I like to just like remained classic or, you know, go full on like naked spiting. Why not? Just in the on the Alex, did you place about him? I still haven't yet. I know moving game. Oh, yeah, adjusting to a new job. So what do you catching up to do? What would you give moving out of ten? I give it a zero about right. We'll look forward to the deal on that one, but in dish into the three suits, these Spiderman, the high steel, see it opened with an art museum, robbery that mixes up Spiderman and Mary Jane with black cat. The deal will include new story, missions crimes, challenges trophies, thank God and a new enemy faction. There was also a little bit of discrepancy with whether new game plus was coming out the day. You're listening to this October seventeenth. If you're listening today, this comes out originally in the European version of the PlayStation blog said new game plus was coming out October seventeenth that has since been removed and some just saying coming soon. Oh, yeah. I wonder why if there were the initial plan was for tomorrow and then maybe changed and they just never updated the post. But I guess we'll find out I, I like the way the game handled and gamy stuff. Yeah, as is because it did give you a sort of nudge to go back in the world and collect stuff, which I liked. I thought it was the pace at your own. Give you that warning before the last mission that was like, is it no turning back? And then you finish the game. You go back in, there's stuff to do. So I love that if the new game plus details are true that were originally in the European blog, it said it won't could new game plus which has alternate difficulty level. So a brand new harder difficulty that rules. It will also have. You'll have all the story activities that you're used to in the open world. Again, you'll have all your unlock suits skills, gadgets Mods, and benchmarks from the beginning, you'll also be able to unlock those final items while cleaning up your trophy list. It'll add two new trophies one for finishing on alternate difficulty another for finishing into game plus run. So I'd. Won't spoil anything, but there's a sort of like narrative perimeter, the changes about seventy percent of that game that makes the world harder you guys not right, but there's really no way to revisit that in any way. It'd be cool if there was like a toggle for that to kind of flip that back on. Yes, I not now. There were couple lake came things that she could do. I obviously understand their limitations, but I wish you could maybe limit you could change the time of day, but not the weather necessarily. Yes, realize probably some of the weather patterns were tied to different times of day, but it was. You could kind of alternate those as well. Yeah, because you can. You can change those post game or at least the time of David. Not whether do we not get full month sales on on Spiderman. Yeah, so not yet. MP for September, hasn't come out yet. When we're recording. We only have that first three day sales, and we won't obviously get numbers exactly three point three million in three days in the first three days that you know that sold more than the we. You did an entire life. Japan, it's nuts. Yeah, we've been talking about even how like that that really interesting crossover between like entertainment and gaming content. As far as like Jan goes has just been such a killer for us. I'm even hitting out on both ends, so it makes sense to me. Then those would be the impressive sale numbers? No, this is a I. What I believe will be a financially successful year for SP. Hartman related shit to Goodyear. I mean, like even even venom, which like a bunch of Tina unites all together and we walked out scratching our heads, but laughing at some parts of it is a mood is going to make a ton of money and then into the spider versus going to make a ton of money. And they put a bunch of new comics and toys and like that's kind of brand synergy. I guess it's sort of working for everybody Spiderman far from home is coming out next year. It's a pretty good time to be a Spiderman he was in if it anywhere. Film moving in all of those separate kind of like a aspects of the world like different platforms venoms Navan venom island for now for now. They'll bring that closer together. Some curious for those of you who have beaten it and Alex, when you go into, how do you feel in general, though, about having DLC this close to the launch of the game only about, I can't wait a month and a half smart because there's already been a bit of a drop off because it is just a single player game. And I think the best way to do that is to follow it up and we're getting another pack in November. Right? Yeah. And then another one in December? Yes. And then maybe depending on how well that does. We might even see more or they might just go start working on a sequel, but I think it's really smart. I have a feeling we'll see like another another deal, CPAC next year to something maybe to coincide with the new film or anything like that. It would seem crazy not to jump on that success. If these three deals he packs do well into next year, have that opportunity to continue the experience completely agree. They're calling the three packs of DC together, which as mentioned coming out over November, December, six, successively, excuse me. They're called together the city that never sleeps. So there's almost like this is a mini. Comic book arc to it. And so I'm very curious to see if they wanna do another comic book arc, obviously they have the full game Ardy there, right? I don't hundred percent a ton of games I did with this game. I read the sort of trophy retention rates for this game were abnormally high. People really went for that platinum. So I imagine a bunch of people are just wanting to do more stuff in this game because it's just really fun. You'll see when you play get around and do stuff. In this case, everything is so consistent. Like there's there's a level of familiarity with it where like most games I jump in and I play after like a week of not playing and I'm like, how do you even do things? What we're what was the last question I was on and you know what were the some of the side missions that could do. But I felt very familiar with the environment because it is just like very consistent across. It's just so it's just like moving around in that game is awesome. They nailed it and so much fun to just even like when you know we're pretty vocal on the show and spoiler cast and stuff about how there is some tedium the some of the side missions, and some of them aren't very well designed, but moving around in them is is fun and fluid. And I think that's, that's. A thing. I just can't stop wanting more of your attention rate. Yeah. There we go. I'm curious to see they've talked a little bit about how these deals are supposed to be fully-fledged like these are new entries in the game swirled. They're going to have actual story content to them. It's not just going to be you over to one person. I assume it's like here's seven new missions. Go enjoy. Do you how much though? Do you think they can pack into this given sort like that quick timetable that we're under with the game, having just come out? I don't know because it it seems like this is a tough one answer because it's like you would assume that anything that they're putting here was stuff that they didn't keep in the main game, but is that devious? I see that that sort of that reception a lot online where people see DLC and they're like, oh, you guys held back content and it's like, well, no. I mean, maybe that didn't fit in narrative of the big story and then have they have a reasonable onto it now? I don't think it's something. Yeah, they run the time. I don't think it's something they. Crunch through in the last month, you know, do we know where it fits in the story? If it's this is all after the events. I definitely. I think the expectation is you've probably finished the game, but I dunno, they may find a good way to even obviously without wanting split for your for anyone who hasn't played at home. There is black. Cat has a presence in the main game, so it's not a huge surprise. We've joked about how the deal initially read for this black cats back in town as if she was ever in town in the first place, you do understand the existing this world, so they may find a way to smartly integrated into that whole story or may just be a little thing under the main menu that you'll be able to jump into. Luckily, we don't have to wait too long for the first pack of Spiderman DLC. It's October twenty. Third, as we said, you can look forward to more coverage of it as we actually get to play it really looking forward to that one. If how ever there's something a little bit more in the future. You may be looking forward to a bit of a nebulous timetable, but if you've made some bad choices in the past with your account, good news, you can finally fix that. Name changes are actually finally coming after years of wish. Full thinking and praying to Shuhei Yoshida and just in general, a general hope among Asian events to be able to change PSI names PlayStation. Now, you're finally going to be able to do that. There will be sort of a the first one is free. I'm going to call it the full details for you'll be able to change your name for the first time for free, and then it costs ten dollars for every change after or if you're a PS plus member, it will cost you five dollars. So first of all, this has been news. I think everyone's expected for a very long time. How do we feel about that and do you guys have embarrassing PS names? I don't think just super boring. Just my name. So I'm safe. That's that's a good way to go. Mine's Farsi word for berry, so I'm fine with it. It's on everything like that. It's consistent across the board. Yeah, keep it. Yeah, I'm just glad this is finally happening. I saw some people being, why would you ever need to change it? You're a different person in middle, our college. It's been awhile for a lot of those people who've had those names for very. Longtime, something charming about keeping like a, you know, a little a little piece of yourself from stra. That's true unless you're embarrassed by in, which is super sweet Zora sixteen will be mine forever. Please. I'm gonna be your new that's going to be young and change it for free. Absolutely. I'm wondering where the justification for charging money comes in that said, it's free for the initial one. Yeah. Like which is the setup for the XBox analogous version? Yes. Yeah. And so I guess you have a chance now to make things right. So do that up again, then spend five or ten bucks fix it. We'll end even just the information that we're getting, it makes it clear why we've been waiting for so long. And it seems like Sony, there's no, there's no easy way to do this. Right? And it's like, how can we come up with a solution that doesn't have so many rough edges and it's still has a ton of refugees. So they've been trying to San those down for years and this is the best they've been able to come up with for so long. Yes. So in the announcement post about it, obviously, this news broke naturally right after the show the morning after last week. So forgive us for doing a little bit of catch-up, but there will be a beta that allow some users to finally change their ID's, and then there will be later full roll out for everyone. But the thing is you will be able to show your new idea alongside your previous idea to help your friends recognize you. But once you've decided to do that, you won't be able to switch. Between showing or not showing your old ID. So when she made the decision either to show it or not to show it, you won't be able to reverse that decision. Oh, wow. Commit like attached to these PS ID changes are compatible with PS four games originally published after April first, twenty teen and a large majority of the most played PS four games that were released before the state. I think one of the key things there is the use of PS four. That was a direct quote from the PlayStation blog. Specifically PS four games. Chances are this is not going to be really compatible with PS three or vita games. Interest is the expectation. They will announce sort of a list of those games closer to the launch of this whole system. But for now, it seems like this to me is a very forward looking service and rather not one that'll change the entirety of PlayStation as it's been, and it's important to note not all games and applications from all systems are in guaranteed to work with this. You may occasionally encounter errors in certain games, and if you in counter an error, you can switch back to your old idea, show it who. So how do we feel about all those caveats. Sounds like people are going to be finding a wonderful little loopholes around this for very long time or or or you know, sort of potholes, I'd say instead, yeah, how bad do you really want to change your name? Yeah, it sounds the sense. Dicey. Yeah. For me, I think is very much like when the stage is set for the PlayStation five or whatever the successor is this is helping. So that from day one of that system, you'll be able to fix that, but how do we feel journal and curious what you all think we're seeing a lot of these PlayStation network and just PlayStation changes in general with this with PlayStation now, letting you download PS PS four games offline. We're seeing them doing a bit of cross play after keeping that stands for so long. If we're not gonna do this, how do we feel about all these changes coming so late in a council life cycle? I think it kind of speaks to Sony strengths and weaknesses. Sony's always been known as hardware first hardware manufacturer where Microsoft Windows, that's their strength. So they had that groundwork laid early on with XBox. Live went all that was launched. So he's been sort of doing patchworks. Stuff ever since PS with Pete PS three. So yeah, a lot of it I think is just sort of patching those mistakes and trying to cover up and fix what needs to be fixed. And hopefully a lot of those old things from PS three in those issues will no longer be an issue because all of those games are so old and sort of those old infrastructures will be phased out. But you know the interesting I'm just curious to see, yeah, how much of an overhaul we will see with PlayStation five in whatever their new operating system and looks. I was gonna say, this feels like they're starting to workshop stuff for PlayStation five like their course correcting mistakes have been making for a long time of which there are several. But I think that this is them sort of saying like, hey, let's try this out. It's like right now if people are downloading games through PS now in great numbers, that might be something they really look into for PlayStation five. If they find there's not a lot of like excitement around that. Then maybe it's not a feature though. They're the like actually look for so. Yeah, we are. We're ramping up to the tail end of a consul generation slowly, but surely and we're getting new council reveals probably I would say what next year to three will hear something and that's if not like specific events because Sony had their own dedicated PlayStation, reveal event a lot. Yes. Yes, outside of three and then a game focus. So it could be as early as like pre June next year. Old man who's sprung it on us with PS four. I think it was like February the two of you're, right? Yeah. Or given member that given the publishing a cycle of the show? The probably tomorrow morning after we. Oh, yeah, but so you can look forward to that news six days after. Yes, thank you all so much for joining me for the first half of the show. We're going to take a very quick break, but we will be right back. We interrupt this program to bring you a brief message from hymns new wellness brand for men. Here's a not so fun fact sixty six percent of men lose their hair by age thirty five. And by the time you start to notice hair loss, it's usually too late. It's generally easier to keep the hair that you have to replace the hair that you've lost. So why not do something about it for him dot com is a one stop shop for hair loss, skin care, sexual wellness, and other stuff like that. That might be embarrassing to deal with in person. 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Let me beyond in. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to be on episode, five hundred sixty three. You may notice if you're watching the video version, you're about to hear a difference in the version. Alex Osborn has disappeared and transformed into our producer bear Courtney. Hello. Hey, doing I'm doing all right. I'm really tired and sleepy and everything hurts, but we're going to do a show a second-half show sounds like a normal, Dave Barrett. Why do we keep letting you on the show? Anyway, we have a lot to talk about in the second half the show. The first thing that we want to jump on a bit of a big topic, especially with redemption coming out in just a couple of weeks we can have. Is it really that? I don't. I don't anymore. I'm goes, feels like just yesterday. I'm Chevrolet papers because there was a lot coming out of a recent interview with Dan Houser from rockstar games, including a quote that got some clarification on it. Shortly after the interview with vulture came out with Dan Houser. And during that interview, Dan Houser said, as part of the. Interview. We were working one hundred hour weeks is one of the quotes that he had at some point during this year. He nebulous addressed the fact that some members of the team were working hundred hour weeks story came out. The interview came out. We didn't really know the context of that how many people were working in those hundred hour weeks. When on for how many weeks that actually lasted compensated? Yeah, what the context of all of that was. And then shortly after that interview came out rockstar, then howser released a full statement and I'll read a bitter right now. It says there seems to be some confusion arising from my interview with Harold Goldberg voltron view. The point I was trying to make in the article was related to how the narrative and dialogue in the game was crafted, which was mostly what we talked about, not about the different processes of the wider team after working on the game for seven years, the senior writing team which consists of four people, Mike UN's worth Rupert, Humphries, Laszlo, and myself had as we always do three weeks of intense work when we wrapped everything up three weeks, not years, we've all worked together for at least twelve years now, and we feel and we feel. Excuse me. Sorry, there's type of here and feel we need this to get everything finished. And so many years of getting things organized and ready on this product. We needed this to check and finalize everything. The quote continued to go on more importantly. We obviously don't expect anyone else to work this way across the whole company. We have some senior people who work very hard purely because they're passionate about a project or their particular work, and we believe that passion shows in the game we release, but that additional effort is a choice and we don't ask or expect anyone to work anything like this. Lots of other senior people working in different way and are just as productive. I'm just not one of them. No one senior junior is ever forced to work hard. I believe we go to great lengths to run a business that cares about its people into the company, a great place for them to work. So a larger discussion came out of this quote and the original interview about the nature of crunch in the industry, which the use of the term crunch for those who may not know is just a shorthand for the idea that toward the end of del Valle mental oughta games, developers often have to work extremely long hours. Reckons a lot of overtime for things to get those games. Done by the time, limits have been set up by release date by companies and everything. And there's been a lot of talk about this this year specifically with that and union is Asian, so calm. And this isn't just like a rockstar thing, like a general, like kind of industry discussion that's been going on this most notably spilled out from the telltale layoffs right fall out that just happened recently. All this personal stories that came out after that. Exactly. And I think that once you sort of released those people from, you know the the infrastructure that they were kinda strapped to, they start to be a little more honest and they go like, hey, by the way, like that sucked. Like we love, we're proud of our work and we love the games, but people tell tale where like this was unreasonable. And so I find the follow up quote, interesting because it's affectively saying, look, we, we didn't mandate this only a few of us did this, but it's hard to clock that in company culture because you don't know exactly if a couple of people at the top, whether or not they're saying into other. People are sort of quietly dictating to everyone else just by their own actions. Like if all five of us are four of us all walk to a restaurant at the same time, and I started going really fast. Some of you might pick up your pace to keep up with me, right, and others might drag behind, but I think most of you would be like, oh, Brian walk fast. I guess we should kind of walk a little fast. Maybe he thinks we need to get to the restaurant early. That's not a great metaphor, but what's. Is it depends on what restaurant weren't exactly in and out and what what it says is in some scenarios without actually dictating this is what everyone in this company needs to do company culture, sort of exudes this, this, this thing were you find this weird line between work and and passion. This shared goal where you're all working together on one similar project. And then when you come for air, you go, I've only showered once in three days and I haven't seen my kids and you know, one hundred hour week that if you, you know, subtract the amount of time sleeping and eating everything. That means I have about an hour to myself day maybe and I'm spending that brushing my teeth. Yeah, you know. So there's a lot going on with with this topic is like managerial perception. What kind of cultural company culture tones, you're setting the other is crunch overall. You know it as an industry kind of problem. That's that's coming more into the conversation. And that's the third part. The third part being that in general, the way that we talk about Crohn's, we've kind of accepted an internalized. This is a problem because it used to be a badge of honor. People used to say, like I worked this many hours, you know, last for rise yet. Glenn rise launch and Xbox One, I believe it was the studio head tweeted out like, oh, we've ordered thousands of pizzas for late night dinners and people were like, that's not something to brag about. Yeah, that was one of the first sentences that we've seen it on a public basis to that extreme degree where people said, we'll actually maybe that's not a great thing. It's great that people were fed, but it's not a great thing that you like the process by which games are made, sort of necessitates that kind of structure. And so it's it's an interesting cultural shift that we're experiencing in that community that industry where people are rejecting that finally, and I think this quote on its own, and I think it's interesting that like Dan Houser and the team at rockstar felt that it needed clarifying is an indicator of that. I don't think that I don't. I don't know that necessarily. He was trying to indicate it as a badge of honor. I think he was trying to describe the scope, the death of the game, which is often how crunch was used as it's not. It's a badge of honor because you put that much work into it, but it's a badge of honor because you. Are saying, what you're trying to say is our game is going to be great because so much work into pass. Yeah. And so it's just it's just wasn't the right kind of quote for this time in two thousand eighteen regular, really thinking about crunch and that kind of and it's definitely like the industry, at least on the actual developer side is trying to heal itself. I, I know from personal, like making my own YouTube videos back in the day of like bragging about doing like sixteen video at it like war, like our work sections where I would like do a super big video at it. And just one sitting and my girlfriend would come home at like seven night and she'd be like, did you leave that seat at all today? No, and then it. But when you're in it, you don't really notice if like, oh, I need to care for myself because it is that weird like you get into metality of like, I'm so passionate about this. This is going to be dope on just came up with this new idea. So it's hard to like make your like he'll yourself when you're in the moment. And I think the industry is finally getting to the likely, oh, we just got out of that. Sixteen hour at session. Let's actually like take care of ourselves and right, right. And like, you know, this is not just something that's indicative of the video industry. This office culture in general, in two thousand eighteen is affectively trying to keep you in that chairs long as possible. There's catered breakfast. Sometimes there's lunch dinner. There's daycare, you know, there's maybe there's massages and stuff like that. There's all these sort of perks that eventually if you roll him in which we live in San Francisco, this is a city rife with companies that are doing everything they can to get you to work from the second. You start your day to the second. You go to see Google historically created its own basically transit line in San Francisco, that workers are expected to get on those buses and open their laptops and connect to the wifi on the bus and during their entire commute start working. And that's, you know, eight, nine AM. So Facebook has at culture as well. But like if your start time starts at like nine AM and you're on the bus commuting, so you don't waste any time commuting better. Maybe because then if I live in young this and I spent an hour of my, I wake up an hour earlier. I spent an hour of my day just commuting and I'm not doing any work. I mean, likely I'm on my phone doing whatever amount you know through slack or whatever. But if I can actually clock in from when I'm on the train, I don't know. I don't mind what if that our was yours. I sleep another hour. You're saying office is getting office at Lewin. Yeah, you get on the bus at nine as opposed to you have to be at the office. Nine start working the same time. It's just I don't lose that commuting. Moving it for no, because, well, I suppose you would leave at four. And then by the time you get home, you can clock out at five. Ideally. Hypothetical buses aside, I I'm looking for gene bus. I think all of this is an ideal scenario would be. I'm totally with you. That's that's a perfect. Can't be abused. Yes. Yeah, it can't be the expectation. Will you get an extra hour from your employees on either side? So it's a very delicate balance between like trying to ensure that your employees have a lot of perks so that they're more comfortable in a Li like alleviated of those other responsibilities. So that when they're at work, they can foc- somewhere. I'm totally fine with that. It's so it's for the instances that they don't get abused as well. You get this and therefore you should work harder. I imagine this game is going to ship. It's going to sell millions as as expected, but I imagine that you know, as what happens when a project is completed, a bunch of people will leave that studio to go on to do something else. Not bre is of any ill will necessarily, but because they're like, I'm done here. Let's see what else is out there. And I think when that happens, if there is a deep reality to all of the stuff here, a lot of these stories will come tumbling out. And I think that's the point where people start saying like, hey, I'm coming up for air here. I was at rocks for five years, and this is what happened in the same thing we saw tell tale, right? A lot of those stories were sort of under lock. Key on. So people said, oh, I don't have to do this anymore. Oh, okay. Well, that that sucked. Yeah. I think the difference there is that there's a managerial perception that you mentioned, but then there's also like the the kind of tones that you're setting. So that's a tone that you're setting, but then what you're also potentially talking about with crunch that gets that becomes part of the involvement is that you have to be really careful about your scheduling. So I actually asked him a developer animus developer that I have quotes from kind of like has been at a triple a. studio. So has experienced with this kind of thing, and. Exclusives. This person had said when a company doesn't have leadership that prioritizes minimizing crunch or when you have creatively driven company where the creators are left to make all the scheduling and scope decisions. And or whenever you've got a triple a. quality and quantity content under strict guidelines, such as a Sony or e marketing strategy that developers agreed to meet a year out, then crunch becomes pretty much inevitable and every company wants to make the best game they can. And there's no blueprint for making a game, even if it's a knockoff of an already existing concept, creative work is uncertain and cannot be scheduled. And then on top of that, you have people who are driven and passionate and also have issues where they're trying to prove themselves in a competitive industry, and you never really get crunch and he's talking about is, I mean, it's partly like release dates. It's partly internal deadlines and people crunching towards those, and you really can't plan for creativity. You see, even with with the work that we do, we're scheduling features out right now for the rest of the year. Try to be as efficient as possible. But you know, smart producer manager. Requires some amount of flexibility within that scheduling to understand. Well, you know, ninety, I might change or something might pop up. We might have to chase down a trend. So these things change, video games, billions of moving parts and your main character could just constantly get stuck in the floor a week before the game. They're like. Well, I mean, that is the reality of any creative undertake industry, and we see this a lot with movie and TV schedules of you hear any actor who talks about production. Sometimes they do have eighteen hour days where start foaming at four AM and finish at ten pm. They have these crazy schedules and things, but I think a lot of what comes with this talk about crunch and the gaming industry is also those entertainment. Other entertainment industries also have you might have unions unionization and sort of these laws protecting the people working from at least the really, really negative impacts worth. There is overtime. If there is something like crunch that they're still taking care of income stated in some sort of way, there's no guarantee of, whereas we don't know maybe there were other people at rocks or obviously with telltale we don't know in every individual case when people are not and are being compensated fairly for that. So you can tell based on the tenor of certain conversations when that is not happening when it is more, it feels like there's the pressure to do so that the communication is becoming a little bit more fluid and it's becoming. Opted that this is a situation that we have to actually Volve and we can't use a badge Amman or anymore. I totally agree. And the unionisation thing is a really interesting angle because it is something that's being talked about more and more in video games and we don't really have that. And if you've been listening to shows like this for very long time, you've probably heard stories of like that. You know that that reckoning that we had during the history era where the entire effectively middle shelf, the video ministry, collapsed, the queues and all of that just disappeared. But hey, q Nordic is bringing it all back. All coming back on, we saw we, there was a while there. We were reporting layoff stories every other day at Jan constantly, and it was like a really depressing time. And the cool thing is that you know, in lieu of unionization the video game industry is very adaptive and their various sort of protective of their own. And every time I see someone, I even with telltale thing, a bunch of those people got snatched up immediately. Some of them were snatched up to work on the DC on Spiderman that we we were talking about. That's good to see. In lieu of. A system that protects them, but it's not enough yet. We've seen this year in particular. It feels like at least since that era that you were mentioned Brian, it does feel like there have been a lot of more studio closures are a lot of issues where seeing just on mass layoff, people having to leave studios. And if there is any upside to seeing those things, it is seeing that positive reaction. The gaming industry has come together in lieu of laws to help each other sort of like by the group. One of the questions I have all of you though is especially on the consumer side of things. Obviously, people who want to buy red dead or games made by telltale people in the future other, what can they do in what responsibility? If any, do you think they have to help counteract these issues that have been? I've been battling that personally because like this is this is the biggest game recovering all year here at obviously it's the one that tracks the most a we. You know, you and I have seen like very, very private previews of this game, and it's like it's mind blowing. It's amazing. I can't wait to play it. It. This stings like this feels. Icke. Yeah, I don't know the best word for it. Just don't know the scope of it though. I know that. I know that. You make the point of like once this project is like over and done their clean, if there are stories that come out about it later, maybe it's just maybe we play it now, but maybe we don't support them for read online or stuff like that. I don't know. It's again, it is a weird situation of like it's between a rock and a hard place of like, I don't know what to do how to. Yeah, this hundreds of people worked in this product for years. Very, very hard. And some of them may be worked hundred hour weeks and others didn't. And do I send a message? Don't buy the game and punish them. Yeah, working on it. Same thing with the alleged David Cape stuff that was going on in their offices. And there are a lot of people who are asking like, do I support Detroit become human because like the people who still had a bad tie possibly had a bad time that studio, like they still put a lot of passion into it, or do I not buy it to send a message to that kind of weird office stuff that they had going on it? It's a weird. Thing. It's not cut in clear in black and white. We want it to our Wiki guides team will probably work a hundred hour week covering red, Denver them. Yeah, like that's, that's just a weird reality of all. This is that this is the time of year. We're all of us are like up earlier and you know home later with our laptops open thinking about stuff. Yeah, I work nights and weekends. Is that make you guys feel weird? It makes me visit Janet. Go home to do it does make a difference if you're like, if you're leaving the office, you take work home. If you know, I don't know, right. Like I was I was working on a script at eight o'clock this morning. I woke up and I made coffee and I'm like, I have some ideas and I started writing it out and I don't know the passion, passion and caffeine and like I that doesn't mean like you guys should boycott my work. I, it's, it's fucked up. Man hashtag boycott Brian. It's it's a case basis, and I think it's really a matter of, you know, is someone crunching because there they actually like derived. Some kind of I don't wanna say pleasure, but like you know, they feel successfully fill production. Yeah, exactly. Not of like the actual grinding, but of the work being the work that is exactly and so for down house or he can kick back, he doesn't need to do that. He doesn't need to be in the weeds, like looking at the writing and finishing polishing on this game. Absolutely. Doesn't. ET can delegate all of that. His millions, he's fine. He's comfortable. This. This came like few weeks or a few days after a lot of the previous tumbling out, which is like, oh, the horses testicles get smaller in the cold and like every part of the saddle animates individually that was Dan Houser doing specific. And so that was kind of like there was a running sorta joke about that on social media where people were like, okay, we'll like if that's what it took to get those things and maybe have people work. Seventy hour weeks are sixty hour weeks and the ball stay the same size. The whole game. I don't know about there is a really. There is so much grace like gray area when it comes not just whether or not this happened with rockstar endemic with the industry itself of as you're munching, Tina the idea that people do work extra hours because they're passionate about a thing. And then versus where a specific corporate culture can make them feel pressure to or worse mandate? Yes, which was is like a very antiquated thing. Really for the most part. And that's why the the cultural shift towards conversation is important. But to your point, I have another quote exclusive. Yeah, these are of fragments from a conversation. So you know politics if they seem a little bit disjointed from the conversation research, try. I try. So this is I don't think people are comprehending exactly what seven years of development means regarding content and bugs and QA in an open world game with that much content. That's insane. They would need to wrap the game one year in advance, just a bug test and fix the game perpetually everyday for year to get that thing cleaned up and ready for launch. I'm just trying to illustrate how insanely complex the job is that they've put together, which in turn implies a ton of work to be able to polish game of that density. So it's true. You know, we've seen the game in action. I think it was about a month ago and it is very dense, and there are a lot of details and they're meaning. There are a lot of instances in which like something can break and kind of like ruin the experience. And so it does require that level of attention. And so what that means is up to year before launch. You need to prepare for that. So you need to like not set a release date prematurely. I mean, any relief most release that we see seem like everyday they get delayed. And so it's just that's one of the things towards pushing towards a an industry that is grappling better with crunch because it's it's too much of a necessity. It was too much of a necessity. It's still continues to be. I'm glad that it's part of the conversation so that people are looking towards solutions and if something isn't polished, we, we're all guilty of it. We have a tendency to latch onto those things and let them to find the story. We saw that one assassin's creed game. It was a beautiful open world game. They worked on it for years union. Yeah, you I really liked and I didn't have any problems. We're like the guy's face is invisible or never was like a. We like we have to like horses and like their balls down and everything like that. And like we worked, you love that everyone loves it. Ball physics. You know, it's weird trinket, JR ability. When I think about the last red dead game, the first image pops in my head and this is how crazy this is the first image. When I think the that game is that donkey woman, that it was a glitch in last. It was. She has a woman town with donkeys face let. And I was like, that was amazing. Hoeing arming bug a great bug, so, but I was debating this with another developer this morning and I was talking about, you know, massive and drama. What if there was no crunch in that game? And then like by the end of it, you know, the conversation had totally shifted to just that game. Looks like garbage in nations are terrible, awful, and there was a lot of divisiveness in that the reception of that game I would say, but still like, you know, it's it's making that balance between making sure that the creative people have a reasonable amount of time to hit their deadlines where there's room for that flexibility because it's just so unpredictable when you're talking about network because the other parameters are you moved the release date, which means that a bunch of people don't hit their q four investment strategy, repercu-, whatever those. Those that are kind of like the bottleneck for these things. So producers need to say, okay, well, you know, talk to an artist's. Well, you know what? We really that deadlines coming up. It's just not worth it so that that art is just gonna have to say the way that it in, but then they might be giant Reddit thread. We're like, look at this garbage art, like last year's soul caliber, you know, are on this was so much better than this year's. Right. It's so difficult to say because you don't want to get caught up on that one when details. It's a lot to balance. And I think ultimately what we're all trying to say is a very complex nuanced conversation. Crunches bad and quotes are hard. Force mandated crunch. There are a lot of people on Twitter over the weekend, like sharing more personal stories in the industry in general, and they're like some stories I read about like mandated, like working twenty four hours straight type of crunch, and that's is absolutely not. Okay. But you know it again. It's a weird like it varies and that story I was like from fifteen years ago or something. So hopefully the industry has gotten better since then, is it better to sell a Janke game for thirty bucks? I mean, it worked for pudgy right? Really fun game, you know, solution sixty dollars already still not apparently paying the Bill. No, it's not. But I mean, if you can knock off a year or two of of crunch and just put out like will gamers be more sort of like embracing something like that. Set. The expectation already look read. It looked amazing. We were talking about like unionization in Hollywood and movies and stuff like that. And we bunch of venom, which is very clearly a movie that needed a little more time in the edit bay and maybe some new scenes shot. But ultimately it was ten bucks a fun to our as wanna bring out that this the second time you've brought up this movie and the show again. No, no. I think it's a great example of something that's like it's it's successful and its popular critically. It's kind of all over the place, but I think most people were just sort of like that was kind of messy, but you know, it was a good time, but I think with video games, the quality centers, especially rockstar, I mean, like that's, that's fucking through the roof. Yeah, quality centers are really high there. So I think there's a level of expectation. So in the wider entertainment world, I also think like marvel can kinda get away with some things like venom is a title that can get away with being little sloppy and still get a sequel other ones where it's an unfamiliar, IP character, whatever you wanna call, it would not maybe get that same chance. So it's different pressures. It's just so nuance this conversation. Yeah, the problem is the conversation extensive are, and I think whether it's about these comments that are going on that people are debating or just other comments about other studio cultures. We've heard about on their side of things. Obviously, there needs to be there. There needs to be a start to structure is being put into place that protect the people who are working on these games. I think clear. To most people, obviously use the consumer can't necessarily like I'm going to start acting a law, but what you can do I think is and what we can do as listen. This industry is to continue having this discussion. I think it's a conversation that we can't let stop just because there is a reply to one comment or because one studio has certain statement about, I think we need to continue having that conversation on last question for you guys. If they offered to pay you overtime for every hour, which I don't think is like really part of this conversational. Is this a justifiable act if you're Utting in if you're offering you're up in? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So maybe maybe that's an option hundred hour work weeks, but you get paid. I mean there are sign onto the hundred hour. In editor world. People have to work weekend shifts. Not everyone likes to do that. Some people do for whatever reason, you know, they I worked with someone whose wife is is a midwife and so she like has weird hours hospital hours, and so like it works for him to work on the weekends. And so and he gets like, he's opted into that. That's fine. So it's different structures for different people. Totally agree. And I think obviously were ahead of redemption to release. It hasn't come out yet and Barrett as you were saying, who knows what the conversations will be five years after this game releases, we'll have to see at some point moving on that we can talk about a game that is actually out. You can play it. Birt has played quite a bit of duty, black ops for, which is weird. Yeah, I like, wouldn't you look at me? You're like, that guy's not shooter guy. And I typically haven't been since the first black ops and this is weirdly already. I, it just came out on Friday and I've already put about nine ten hours into this game for the first weekend. Of this game being out. That's crazy for me for shooter. Fortnight was the first shooter that I got over one hundred hours. Since black ops wine, like back in high school, my one of my best friends like got me into, I think it was modern warfare and then blackout. Black ops came out and we just went very like hard into that just because I don't know. It was just like a weird high school, like shooter. Let's play this all the time kind of thing. And there's a lot of fun modes that Terry arc introducing that first black ops and so planned black ups for, and I didn't really like no lot about it before the game came out and so a weirdness dodging thing where I didn't even go into blackout motive. I, I just wanted to the regular multiplayer and I was playing team death match, and they brought back like old black ops one into maps, and I was like, oh my God. I remember this map alone spending like twenty hours in like a bunch of different modes and whatnot knows like jungle and summit and all that stuff. So that was really fun. And so been having a lot of fun with that. They're like some people on the on my Twitter threads who like ever since what's the soft game were like the. The we've had a few or four four words for on from no not ramo succeeds or like every. Ever since that game came out of there like like Raymond legends? Yes, Starling. Ever since that game came out, like caldy kind of feels like Arcadi like, where is that game is like more like intended, like think about every like action that you're doing. I kind of liked that call of duty still has this archaic feel, especially because they've gotten rid of a lot of like the crazy movement from black up, sue and black ups, three so feels a little more of like the older pace of black ops and then still the Arcadi stuff. And even though it is like a lot of like, all right, kill someone dive respond, kill someone die respond. There was a weird mentality in the middle of a game I had over the weekend where I was like, oh, I need to look at my mini map where my where my teammates right now they're blocking these areas. That means that like probably two people are behind me and like three other people are over here and that we're mentality that I've learned in black ops one like all came back and I had like a crazy like eighteen like eighteen three match. I think he just like. Shooters I don't. Describes the shooter. So weird. Do you think it sounds like you're talking a lot about the staffed maps brought you and definitely hooked you? Like what about lockups specifically right now? Do you think kept you playing? Because I feel like the nostalgia would keep you playing for an hour or so? Yeah, played for ten hours. What made you? I think it's still the nostalgia that brought it back for me, and that's keeping me hooked for for now. Like I'm going in and out of blackout because I wasn't a huge pub. She player. I think I played once before this and I was really into fortnight. And so this is definitely completely different pace from fortnight. What I'm used to in a battle royale game. So I've got like four or five matches like second place. I haven't gotten to one yet and it's frustrating the a lot. So I like go back into multiplayer. And do team death match or a couple of the other modes important question? What's up? Have you tried the IMO trick on blackout? I've heard about it, but I refused to do it. Come on, you. EMA and peaks you out around the corner and you don't get? Yes. So basically when you eat out like the the entire mode is in first person, but when you Email, it takes you into third person view. So you get like wider view. See can look around at three and whatnot to see like if enemies are peaking out and stuff, and I've seen people talk about it on Twitter. I refuse to do it. I refuse to cheat like that. We won't judge. So it's been like a interesting like figuring out blackout and like I've mainly only been playing solo and I, I really like it, but it's definitely like a, I'm still trying to figure it out of like this kind of forced first-person way more kind of hardcore suitor game in a battle royale. I wanna try to play more like squads like stuff, get a couple of people in there and have a little more fun because that's how I did with fort Neilly figuring out that was like my friend was over and she's like, oh, let's play fort nine. I was like, I've never played and we got together and we got a a group together and we played for hours and I was like, oh, I think after a couple of hours, I figured out this game where it's like just jumping into blackout solo. I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. My played a paternity leave, which I was not expecting to do it all acted with it. And you know, just put in like a hundred or so hours. This really interests me because first of all, if like you're watching the whole battle, royale thing go go down and you're not interested be like me. And just try it. It is incredibly tense. It is genuinely some of the most just sort of terrifyingly tents, scary moments. You can have in a video game as the world gets smaller, and there's just like you left on a map blackout interests me because it's like it's taking away the perception. You have all around you and just giving you tunnel vision of first person or is in fort night. You can spend the camera and be like sending over there is anyone over this is this is sort of a different scenario. This one kind of stresses me out a little more because because call of duty in just the game, play aspect of it. In general, it is a lot of like, oh, if that person sees me, I like I, I'm done and kind of the frustrating thing I have with blackout is like if someone sees me and I don't see them like, I'm I'm screwed. There's no fighting chancellor's. Like the thing I kinda like with fortnight more is if someone else sees me, I had the chance to build and other skills that I can adapt. If even if they see me first to kind of have a fighting chance there or is this your kind of just screwed. But yeah, I, but that's not to say I don't like blackout. I really like blackout. I really like the multiplayer. The one mode I have not gotten into yet is zombies, and that's because I like to play samba specifically with France. And I have not found a good friend because I don't have any. And so just because again, last time I played black ops or call of duty like seriously wasn't high school. When you know I had my friends and those people moved on and don't play the games anymore, like real adults. So, yeah. I want to try to find a couple of good people to play zombies with before I jump into that. So she don't work with anyone video. I know many people here. Four people reviewing colorady alone. Yeah. Interestingly enough, if you haven't heard obviously and you're looking for call of duty black ups for content on Jan, we're doing a little bit of a different reviews or scheme with this game because these three modes are so sort of distinct from each other, and you may really want to be playing zombies, but not care at all about black. For example, we have three separate reviews going up for each of those, and then we will have one review in caps lending. All of those the first review which which was for zombies was done by Dan crowd from, are you team around a Sanchez's doing the traditional multiplayer review and James Duggan will be doing these Omni's review and Miranda will then be blackout review, excuse me, black. And then. Then we will be compiling everything maranda will be doing sort of a full focus review. Got us. So, yeah, taking a little bit of a different approach, obviously, let us know how you feel about that as the reuse come out experiments. I definitely think like if if you don't think blackouts for you, but you still like call of duty. I think you can still pick this up and still enjoy it and whatnot. So because you still have traditional multiplayer and some cool zombie, and this has been on for a while, but there's no single player campaign in this game from the sales numbers we've gotten so far. It doesn't seem like that's impacting literally anybody know which is just one of those things where we were like, how dare you take that away. Ultimately, I guess people didn't want it. So it's bummer. I think the best digital download for stays for this generation of duty game. So it's doing obviously pretty well there. We don't know physical results but will probably have a better idea Chevy. It's a battle royale. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's it's hard to that bear. Obviously, we know you've been playing quite a bit of color duty, Tim Brown, one of you guys playing. So I'm actually still going through Spiderman, but I put. It on hold for playing assassin's creed. Yeah, you play do. I'm still only a few hours in because I've been sick and so I haven't been able to play too much like so sick where I can't even play video games usually sick as the keyword. Yeah. But I, I'm shockingly into it. You're fine. I'm shockingly into it because I just couldn't get through origins. I played like ten hours of that game. I heard it opens up fifteen, so I guess I kinda just missed it. So much thing. I don't want to trudge through so much just to experience. I really think it's just the nature of like my job, my lifestyle. It's just difficult for me to make the time for that kind of thing where it takes that long before it opens up, but I feel like it's it's gotten a lot of the really good aspects of origins of like being really beautiful ancient world, and then some cool aspects of like black flag. 'cause you fairly quickly get to jump into your ship the interior and like hours. Yeah, exactly. So it doesn't feel like a lot of that stuff is held back at all. It was kind of like irked with how sort of obtuse the first few hours felt like drop a lot on you. Really. It was even hit you with a lot of information, but also not a lot of directions and it took me. I'm still not in love with the mini map or the way that sort of your weird thing that lines up your compass thing. Yeah. And so it it, it felt sort of directionless and aimless, and then I, it actually took me a little while this sort of have the game start to click a little bit. It's definitely one of my favorite games here, but I don't feel like I'm in. I'm in in love with it as much as everybody else's like something like, I don't know if I look at like horizon breath of the wild. Those are open road games. It clicked with me pretty quickly on this one. This one takes a little while. Yeah. So. Wild, like they kind of just throw you out into the world and you can kind of do your own thing. Whereas I actually felt more directed in odyssey. I think like breath of the wild is ultimately much more minimalist game. And so you're like, I don't really know where to go, but there's not so many options for, you know, this is not a minimalistic, no, this is. It feels like there's no direction given. Also, here's a million different activities that you can do. Right. This is Ubisoft ass open world just shit everywhere. Where do I go? How do I get this? Like you can ignore all of it. You can't true. I'm maybe like five hours in. I think you can ignore a lot of there is a lot rewarding on the outskirts of specially one of the systems that you get a little late. It's crazy the game, introducing a lot of big things in the game. Yeah, some of it has really changed the way I focus on that world, which I think has been really interesting, but I don't want to spoil that for I put eighty hours into and finish up like there's three like kind of main storyline things. I finally finished those up played eighty hours of that game in two weeks and my brain just kind of went away after that. But yeah, I feel like I'm kind of on the same page as you Ryan words. Like I really like it. It'll probably be one of my favorite game Sears. But like I think there is a lot of unnecessary bloat the summer where I think origins, even though the storytelling origins and we talked about this a couple beyond ago of like, I think the story was, we're like weird at the beginning, but I think the game experience was a little more tighter. There wasn't a lot of. As much unnecessary things to do. I appreciate how much you can horse everything in this game. Yeah, just really horse all over everything. Yeah, you can walk in town and somehow horse on top of tent and just horse in this horse that everyone really dramatically overreacts like I'm just going about. Close to thank you very much like Hon with your overreact. If you hit them all they do the very likely shade New York. I'm walking heated. There's. European, you'd be soft guy voices. I was like, what are you doing to live. Broken pots, living, frigging horse out of here. Yourself. Excellent fish. I had to at least one. Exactly. In addition to assassins, I've also been playing. They're both out this week. LEGO DC super villains which if you've played a LEGO game, this is a leg. It's a LEGO game at still hasn't really great voice Catholic Mark Hamill back as the joker, obviously Tara strong as doing Harley Quinn and just like the full voice Catholic teens already, maybe like two hours in. They just keep throwing characters at you. It's very fun set up for the game. It's essentially like the Justice league is taken away by this other worlds Justice league, but they're not good people. And so it's a LEGO game. If you played them, they're great for co, op great for people who have a collective on each nothing mind blowing with it, but it's been a really satisfying one so far and also just hearing more Campbell's. The joker is consistently wonderful as this. It's really. It's been really funny so far it is that sort of like cheesy tilted. What. Travelers ET. Thank you. Well, yeah, it's been too soon. The have that classic tone that they've nailed with all the LEGO game so far. But especially with this particular voice cast, I feel like they're nailing even the cheesiest of jokes. And also they've had this in a couple of the past games, but you got to essentially create your own villain, which is really fun. The trying, what's really great is all you pick your power. You also it weirdly make so much more sense in the world of a LEGO game because in a LEGO game, you were destroying everything. And so it makes sense villain that you're actually destroying everything to get drive. So it kind of makes more sense in the world. Not that the Ludo narrative dissonance of LEGO games is a big. I mean, that's that's what Kelly. Don't worry there now. His own house the over world in this one because I felt like the recent marvel game. Yeah, came out. I feel like it was almost too much. This one's a little disconcerting if only for the fact that the LEGO marvel superheroes to it felt there was an openness to it. There was like an open air to it was very bright and you could see like the distinct neighborhoods right here. You have sort of Gotham and metropolis combined with each other. You take just like a nice little railcar one, but because you don't inherently know those cities as Waller. Those locations aren't as clearly defined. I was like, am I in a place that's important or not? There's the daily planet, I guess, but I'm not sure if I know this area or not. So again, a little more used to like the overruled itself. I'm not like on, like I know this world can't to explore it, but it's been good so far. The other game was playing over the weekend was Starling pal. Frat Lewis, which is a nother Yousof game is of Ubisoft light. It's definitely clearly marketed towards kids. It's sort of a spacefaring game where your ship can go from outer space to also on land essentially. Has that like no man's sky ability go from one to the other, but it's very much like Yousof open world game. You get to a planet, you have x. many towers to find or like these many enemy types defined this many places to open things like that. I'm gonna hit you with a hard hitting question. Is this game worth playing without having star FOX in it? I don't. If you only have a PS four, not at this time of year. If this game came out in like July and there wasn't really much going, I'm like, yeah, this is a really fun, like entertaining enough thing. But I think especially the star FOX to it on the Nintendo switch version. If you have a switch, there's no reason not to get the switch version and also if you don't care about the physical ships. So this game has toys to life aspect to it. If you don't care about having a physical ship with you to play which you have that ship on your controller and that's the ship you control. You can buy the digital deluxe version of this game comes with like all the pilots. All the ships are like you can buy a large portion of them for the same prices buying the physical version. So that really enhances that version of the game. And also this came out last week, but Merck, the ninja remastered is available. If you. Have not played that game play. That damn game. I love. Yeah, let's get out. Why do we let you on the show? I don't know. Shooters. Classic. Yeah. Do I get to shoot guns in the halo? What will go on. What will go on. You mention that name here. Who are you? Brandon? Tyro in addition to what's been out this week, we have some new things. 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Have We Been Sleeping On Dragon's Dogma?

Kotaku Splitscreen

1:26:51 hr | 1 year ago

Have We Been Sleeping On Dragon's Dogma?

"Welcome to Kentucky Talkies split-screen video game podcast hips. Don't lie it's February six twenty twenty and we'd better jam packed show for you. This week. I talk a bit about Dan houser leaving Rockstar or games. Then get into the Games. We've been playing with special focus on the evil within to death stranding and then we bring on Kacoos own Paul Tamayo to talk about journey to the savage planet in Dragon's dogma. Before closing out with some off topic talk of the wire dunkirk. Cheer and the good place along with a very special update about last Sunday's super super bowl all that and a frog tastic music pick plus a whole lot more sustained around. And we're back. Welcome back to Kentucky split-screen. My name is Kirk Hamilton. And I am I'm joined by Maddie Meyers. Hello Matty Hello Kirk. It's me it's nice to see you. We are Jason Schreier for another still another week another week after this one. So he's he's not around. Though fans of Jason Schreier there will be a little surprise for you toward the end of this episode. That will hopefully be cool though Mattie and I don't uh-huh curious about that will stay tuned and you'll find out would I don't think so we are going to be. We have a very special guest for the middle segment. That's going to be pretty fun. We talk about Dragon's dogma. And before that before we get into the games I haven't played first off. I want to give a little google update. So right. You've been trying to get off Google. Yes I've been avoiding Google. Just kind of as an experiment. Something I could talk about on the show kind because Google is kind of terrifying and have a lot of data I love how much data they have on me and I'm so kind of fatalist about at all like where you know that facebook book is tracking me. I haven't had a facebook account for years or it's been deactivated but I'm sure they're still tracking me lake through all these things. I think. This is the exact way that it works for. Everyone though is that we've all become fatalist. Fatalist about it. which is part of why I decided to do this? Is that fatalism tech companies capitalize on it. They know that we all are like well. I don't have any privacy you anymore anyway okay. I guess. Everything's going to be sold to an advertiser benefits them. I absolutely and to try to experiment with like well. What would be like using those services? So that's what I've been doing doing. I have been using duck duck. Go as my search engine I still use g mail so you know still doing that. but just for search have been trying to not use Google and I thought I'd give an update on how that's been going so it's been a while now. I can't remember when it was that I started doing this. But I've been using duck duck go as my primary search engine for months and months and months so it's been like now I don't don't think about it anymore but I do have to say I've found a thing that I require. Google search for there is like one thing that it's much much better for so duck duck go is basically fine for find defined like whatever the wikipedia page for an album or video game or something or the release date of a game or news articles. Like great for that kind of thing. The thing that Google is really good at is people like if you need to find what people are saying like conversations on message boards. That's what Google is. Google is way better at least then. Duck Duck Oh and that's been my primary reference point for example and I'll talk about it in a bit but I've been playing evil within two and there will be times times where I'm like. Okay I know I picked up this one item and it triggered this one event. What does that mean for my game? I screwed myself. You know that kind of question you'll have about and like if I look forward untucked go. It just finds a couple of hinted sites that are kind of more general. But it doesn't find you. The thing that you know is out there. If you've been like googling video games for a long time about them you know. They're huge forum threads about this specific thing and the question I always have is like okay. Well that's what I need to read. I need to we know what the people on the ground say because in some steam thread. Someone's asked about this and like five people responded and they got a good answer and that's where the nation is and that's what I have to turn to Google for so so I do and I do Google. I'll be like I still have it on chrome so I pull up chrome because they usually use fire Fox. But I'll pull up chrome and I'll be like okay and I look and it's like huge lists of people talking talking. All of this. Foreign threats are right there and I'm like this is what Google is good at surfacing in their searches is like what people are actually saying about thing. They've got which kind of makes sense because they're like building this database abuse of people and they know who we all are like what everyone is saying. Yeah it's really the most useful Lincoln response to it like how to find such and such object or did I just get myself out of this thing in game title like that automatically. spawns a bunch of reddit threads a bunch of steam threads leads back game gave us. which game facts now in games two you? I just know that's going to be the most reliable source of information. There's the whole thing where people are like. We don't need game journalism anymore. Game websites need to exist. We can just have read it threads and while I of of course things that that's like totally wrong headed and a million ways you can understand if your primary information you're looking for is like did I get myself. How do I get this item? Like the best information mation. You're gonNA find his ninety nine percent of the time going to be a forum thread somewhere. Yes people source crowdsource information. That is actually the best way to find that stuff. But that kind of Info Games journalism school too many other ways absolutely not to take on a tangent speaking of journalism though. There's some news as we still not a lot of news happening. But we should at least mark the departure of Dan Houser from Rockstar Games. He is the CO founder and not the head. That's his brother Sam. But he was the head writer on what Max Payne three ready to. GTE Five he wrote a lot of these games. He was the head writer on some of those Yup. And you know him leaving. It's sort of a tradition a standard path where he was kind of on a sabbatical at sounds like after finishing red dead to which by all accounts was like a Herculean undertaking. And right right then he left and was kind of on a sabbatical on. Now's cocaine leaving. So we don't know whether this means he's retiring from Games industry or just leaving Rockstar. It I would imagine that just knowing I dunno I remember when we talked to Bruce Staley the CO director of or I guess director of last last of us who had a similar thing I think he was on sabbatical for a little while and then decided to leave naughty dog. It's I think you are in charge of making those gains like. It's a ULA. Kill yourself making them. I guess everybody not just the people in charge. Obviously but like it's a ton of work and you kind of burn out and I would imagine maybe he's like you know what I'm really really really rich like I'm going to go and not play. Kill myself reading it another video game. Yeah I also Sam Houser are still there and they told Kotoka that he's still doing the same thing there so i. I do wonder if that's just an interesting thing between the two of them. Mr which of them decided to stay in which went to their roles. But who knows and it'll be interesting to see if anything rockstar changes with this but it may not it may not change at all and maybe that the company the way it is. Because that's how the company is I think that given the stuff about their culture and the various problems with their culture cultures are bigger than an ursuline. His his impact is an inch is interesting in part because he's not a person that a lot of people know he's not the same as a really well known screenwriter director sort of a person but his writing and his stories are like some of the most popular and like widely experienced stories in any media. Like when you look at his his footprint it's crazy like no. He's kind of the sky like most people don't even with what he looks like. I'm sure they saw pictures from like. Oh He's kind of guy. Yeah that's Dan Houser. That's the guy who wrote wrote these stories and I do think as much as like there are many well-documented issues with his storytelling and like not. All of his games have great stories. He's told some pretty pretty amazing stories. And I'm on the record for red dead to is like operating on a level of sophistication of the type ninety eighty percent of the time or something that most games don't even get close close to and this guy like that's his legacy. It's pretty crazy actually. I'm I'm curious to see like how his story will evolve over the years if he is indeed leaf. If it even could just be that he'll continue to be a person who influenced a whole lot of games after him and he's good with that and he's just going to go line hammock now. That would be Joe. Yeah I can imagine him. Yeah I think I might do. I think more people will talk more. Everyone's just so tight lipped and as long as of course when and someone leaves it tends to just be and I don't mean like they'll talk shit I mean they'll be more free about. This is what this guy was like this like clearly unusual person who is like weirdly focused on. I'm doing these Herculean. Things like making these massive gambling. Just what kind of person does that for good. And what worked and didn't work about his kids. I think that'll be interesting to see so something worth marking as a as a as a slate news item on the show. We'll talk about video games. I see you've got exciting stuff on your games that you played this week so I want to hear so I made a Google doc with a list of games but I'm going to beat in order Kirk Hamilton style. Nice savaging phone. I love it. James are going to get either being or abandoned. TVD How long. I'll keep this up. I will update everyone about. Oh yeah so I posted. I beat disco at least you. I'm this week. Iran I returned officially to death stranding and I will see if I care care to beat death stranding or not. I will say that playing. I'm GonNa talk about these two games without spoiling them early. I'm going to try. Try Mightily to this weathercast but I wanna totally WanNa know what you think. I talk our listeners. Feel about spoilers but I'll just I'll. I'll try to talk broadly about it. This happens anytime. I play two games on the same week. I always compare them on split so sure everyone both begin with D. It's it's like they're exactly the same game so no they're they're actually very very similar because they are both games that are made by design teams that that are not based in America but which are very fascinated with specifically American politics like Disco Elise. Em's design team listens to American podcast. ASK THEY HAVE THE CHAPO TRAP guys. Doing voice acting and like one of the ladies from red scares doing voice acting in it. These are American podcasts. About American dirtbag left politics and your opinion on those politics probably influences at least a little bit how you feel about disbelief and it's tone which can be abrasive at times but has like a particular sort of almost weird twitter asks humor which the design team has talked about his well. They also had a pretty big writing team. Apparently it was like eleven or twelve people wasn't right for the amount of writing. Yeah and and also because the game is so I mean divers is a word that has a lot of meetings but in this case I just literally mean like like functionally. It feels like a lot of different people wrote the game but not in a bad way in the sense that different scenes have very different tones and takeaways and and then as a whole the game I would say has an overall take away. That is at times cynical. And at times does any of this matter with regard due to the hugeness of of a political revolution and political upheaval and like being a singular person who's sort of disconnected from it but also has some sense of hope in some political stake in it. You you obviously get to decide what the lead character's politics are. You can play as a fascist racist. You can play his communist or socialist or liberal or anywhere in between these estates but you individually like the fact that you and your individual politics don't necessarily affect the trappings of the world is very much a part part of what the game is by. Contrast does stranding is a game where you it is extremely about American politics politics and even just the first like couple hours of the game. So I wouldn't ask you this spoiler at all 'cause we've even talked about it on the show although we didn't I don't think we talk that much about like the president. Is it in industrial bag. And Blake Ludicrous. That is so like you. First of all are the son of the president. And that's just a thing like that's your mind hunter and you're like shown to be this. Every man delivery man who's like delivering stuff in an apocalyptic wasteland but then like within an hour our there like by the way your mom is the president. Yeah it's very nice is just like I don't know what to make like it's very shakespearian to me. Almost the the hero of the game is like a princely figure and yet also like this sort of every man type like I was wondering what to make about about an haven't beaten the game yet so I'm still sorting out my thoughts on that but I also think the president and Heather and I disagreed on this. Which is why? It's not in her review which I edited. It's just I take the chance to get it. This is my take. I've always wanted to have about destroying. It doesn't even matter but it is that I I feel like the female female President White Blonde Lady Older Lady. She is a Hillary Clinton archetype to me in this game she. She talks about making America a whole again which was a speech that Hillary Clinton made on the campaign trail like around the time. This game was still being in development. A lot of people thought Hillary was GONNA win the election election and this game if it had come out in a world where Hillary had won the election. Demonstrating is very much about like climate change and like repairing the world and it feels. It's like a game that was designed for like Hillary Clinton's America to me like it doesn't really quite feel like a trump's America game like I think I'm sure they changed it after the election and they like thought about how to do some messaging in the game and I do still think it speaks to a certain like apocalyptic fervor that we all feel at all times in this world of climate commit. Change in like you know the brink of nuclear destruction that we're constantly on the list goes on so there's plenty of things that dusting speaking to but it also has this weird sense of like the word neoliberal is overused but it. It's like this certain kind of liberal Utopia but does straining has that. It's very comfortable with and it's very much like yes. Everything's really terrible. But connecting with other people and connecting the world through the Internet is in in the ghost Internet industrial ending fundamental. Good that will like achieve good things and it was super weird to meet a beat disco. which has this this wild ending that we can talk about defending on what you do? I think Jason probably got a different ending than I did. Just based on a few things he said so. I'm really curious. Talk to him about that and like the different ways that can go but for me I thought the ending was wild and cool so like that playing that and then immediately going back to playing frigging not even importance. Side quests just like reunited to people who were or like weirdly thankful to me and suddenly going back to the video game hero mode. Where like I'm researcher? World and like all the metaphors are hitting you like an anvil as compared to disco albums like just delicate. Subtlety with like every concept introduces being like. Yeah there's metaphors here but like work on a really tread carefully on this one and dusting his like it's America. You're reuniting America and you're the prince I don't know it's it's really no. I totally get what you're saying. There's like it's it's not as simple as saying that one game is cynical and one game is sort of gormless or almost like just super idealistic. Because because there's a lot of beauty and idealism is represented in deaths or sorry. It's just that this is a much more subtle game is kind of about it. I like what you said about how it's sort of about your powerlessness or your smallness in the face of history in the face of this thing because so the country entry anyone doesn't play this and disco. Liam you're the country there's like a failed communist uprising and the whole thing is basically taking place in the ruins of that kind of and you're in a a part of the country or I guess. Yeah I guess it's a country you're like in a region that where there was a lot of fighting and like the city was like Sheldon. Wasn't that long ago. So it's like you're the people who were on the fascist side signs it and you meet people who are on. The communist is still alive and everybody has all this intense bitterness around that prior conflate and and it's interesting because it makes your police officer but the police officers are specifically not agents of the state in the same way that we associate them with like in our world but you're you're basically a figure with some power not a lot but some and you have the power overlake various interactions and you sort of have authority but not got a ton and it kind of puts you in the space of how I think a lot of people feel like they're really interested in this like you are who you are. You have some degree of power but not enough enough power to actually change the way things are and what does that mean which is like a really interesting in. US and very difficult thing to explore like you said devastating. It's like you're the son some of the President Lady. You're the guy who everyone loves. That's the thing I noticed even from how much I've played everywhere you go. People say what's up. Oh thank you so much. You're the best you save our lives like you connected us to steer. Just throw a party for the vast. This question I just happened to do is one that starts out with the person not liking you and like really hating being you and being like I hate your system and everything you represent and you're like okay. I also collect your packages and bring them to you enough times that you like me. The and then I did that. And I like navigated across all these treacherous absurd scenarios in the packages question ludicrous and like impossible to carry. I won't spoil it for for anyone who gets to this quest but anyone who's played it probably knows which one I'm talking about and then you finally get it and then it ends with the person being like you know. Stay Up. Bridges your great. I love you man and just like video games like it's just it's like give the person enough gifts and there'll be a romantic interest rate where like disco elise would straight up. Make Fun of you for for that like they would. There might not. Is there anything like this like where you endlessly do the same thing for someone. In each time they dislike even more and they're like stop being so desperate I definitely are are equivalent of that or just quest that you can't get past still have the person like you and you just have to sit with that there. Is that guy who you interrogate. I can't remember character names anymore. But the there's one way to interrogate him where you just destroy all of your goodwill with him as a cop and he just never trust you again in like becomes a broken person who like once you and then just never does again and I kept trying to like find other ways to get past that part of the game without having to do that to him but I just didn't have have the right skills and I eventually had to just just betray him utterly and be like yeah man. You have to do what I say. Because I'm a cop and I didn't want to say that but it turns out that's the only I think that's GonNa work on you and now you think I'm an asshole and you're not even wrong and I just accept that he was not afraid to do that. To you does stranding. It doesn't even. He's not even interested in that. That's not very different hats that it wants to go down. It wants to instead. Tell this hopeful and like fundamentally corny any but in a good in a way that ordinary enjoy. It's just like coming off disco stranding again. I was like why wo- These are Abou- how kind of the same shit which is like a fetish ization of a certain kind of America but like as reinterpreted through non-americans lenses which is great was held anyway. But I'm also just like wow these mega different interpretations of this core concept so fascinating but you also beat a game game. I did and actually the two games I've been playing are they're actually pretty similar and they do put the the the two games put one another into different relief. I guess great replaying welcome to Comparative Video Games like everyone does this right like you play a game then you play another game and you're like wow this really makes me think thoughts about the game. It's like a version of the Games out at the same time. Everyone's like let's compare them and you're like well they just like you won't be doing this in five years the student right now. 'CAUSE they're out ask time but Hey compared everybody compares plague talent evil within two constantly we have this right sort of similar. You're no they actually are. They're both self games both have horror elements there. I mean okay. They're pretty different but finished a plague tale a tale innocence is the full full name. Still I you know medium on it overall. I think it was cool. I believe this game is free right now. An xbox game pass if people mentioned that to me when I was talking about it which means if if you have that you can just play it and give it a shot. Only recommend that like. It's a story. Linear story game took me about ten hours to finish. If you just WANNA story if you're looking for that kind of thing very self-contained eighteen to finish it and it's over. Yeah it's it's cool. It has that amazing rat tech. I gather the rat tech and the graphics look a lot better on pc than on consoles so if like like the appeal is just visual. Maybe worth playing on PC. But yeah. I finished I think it's pretty cool. It gets more interesting toward the end. There's some really cool like rap battles there's is like huge things of rats and your rat battles is a it. Sounds like a good band name first of all just generally. That's that's a that is a certain image that I guess scare for in real life. Well it is probably the image is the is what happens in the game. I won't spoil stuff because there's there's some cool stuff that happens and like the rats keep being a major part of the game in a way that I appreciate it like they don't just become an obstacle. You have to get around the cool looking creepy obstacle. They there's more to it right and it's fine like the story didn't do much for me. I think I mentioned this last week. There's a lot of the one a couple of big plot points are like your character doesn't tell her little brother something and he gets mad. Adam runs off so that I found frustrating. And there's IT feels like they cut stuff because of course they got stuff every video game cut stuff but it feels like the stuff that they cut is noticeable will like. There's like an act missing toward the end and I was like. Oh this is jumping over a Lotta time and that you know it's like whatever every game has that problem toward the end because they're just like we need to shut this thing we're cutting stuff but so it's new is fine but the my main gripe was that the stealth was very linear and sort of you know they always. He always had exactly what you needed. It didn't feel like solving puzzles. Just felt like I was like I'm there would only be one way to solve the puzzle. Yeah basically there's a little flexibility but mostly just kind of do one thing so evil within two when it transitioned to this because this game has everything that I wanted from. This game is great. Man there are rats sometimes as a mechanic there are there are some as I will see a rat. They'll be like. Hey what's up. Tell your five billion friends that that I said hello But about this game at all so you don't okay so okay let me let me let me figure this out. So even within one was directed by Shinji Commie the Creator I think are the director of Resident Evil and it was made for Bethesda. I don't remember the name. Oh it's it's it's What's the name of the studio we got to remember it? It's it's created by Tango gameworks. which is one of those independent or one of the studios that I I don't know if they're owned by Bethesda or they just but that's just publishes them but become directed the first one he did not direct the sequel? The first one is Kinda got mixed reviews like people I played a little bit of it was like I can't get into this is to hardcore horror like it was it was really had like a weird aspect ratio is really. Gory was hard to see what's going on. It was very scary. It was a lot of stealth and sneaking and trying to avoid huge like beefy dude with a chainsaw hunting you kind of evil within two significantly different different director I think mccown's like producer on it and I knew people said this game is good like people have been saying it's great and then when I was talking so glowingly about resident evil to remake which I played and loved loved. The people. Were like dude. The way that you're describing the appeal of of Resident Evil to you have to play with into you'll love it so I was like okay. I know and so I'm GonNa play it and yeah it's really good okay. So you're all right. Everybody was right. It's an awesome game. What it's kind of like is a lot like bioshock? I Oh shock actually like a scarier bioshock. That's playing. It feels like especially the original bioshock was like really scary. Actually like I say pretty spooky is this is much more like a horror shit like real because it's got stuff jumping out at you walking down corridor solely in their sequences of like it's like j horror. There's like the scary lady is she. What's there's clip dose a moist ghosts and the waking game like there's a lot of Gu in this game dewey to use the word that some people like and some people hated that I use a lot? This is a very good game. A lot of Gu the lady in the with the long black hair and the draft and she's floating and then you see her and then she sees you and she liked comes Tori really fast and it's like she's moving faster than she should. It has that kind of stuff which is like not in bioshock. It's it scares me more like that's really freaks me out and he goes. That comes towards really fast. I don't care for yes it's scary but it's not that scary and like I have ways of mitigating that or maybe talk about in a second but so it's turning. Yes I know I'm going to do. I'm doing a similar thing to resident evil wherever like just the difficulty a little bit or made it a little easier for myself. So this game is like it takes place. You're a guy whose daughter died. Shocker like a guy with short hair and your video game pretending givers offers agnes. Dad and daughter died in a fire and he sat about it and she wanted to. Ghost is this. It's cool this. They want spoil anything. This is all all in the setup of the narrative in the first chapter. No you find out that she's actually alive. So it's like there's like a government agency that you worked for in the first game I think and your name is Sebastian Castellanos. He's like the most charismatic charisma-free protagonists ever like this game has significant charisma deficit that it makes up for and being in a really fun. Cool game with good enemies and it's like really well made but the main character. Oh my God this guy sucks like I am not into him. He has nothing to him. He has a car after playing. Yeah after playing resident evil to where. It's like these plucky leads like Beyond Looks Kinda like Leo Titanic and like Claritin feels this great character like I liked them and I liked the story this so far. He's just like and he he. It's partly acting the rating. He'll just pick something up and be like it's a key accused door like it's just a lot of that kind of writing and I don't know I'm not maybe this this changes and I'll get more into the story. I'm pretty early doing all the side quests. I've probably played like eight hours or something five hours. Maybe anyway the whole thing takes place in like a weird sort of Sir Psycho. VR thing like it's like a psychological VR likely to go into your and the game is doing yes and it's like you get plugged into the Matrix tricks. Kind of get plugged into a weird thing that you then go into and it's kind of a weird thing about this game. This was true. The first one to that you're in your town own and it's open world and you're exploring zombies and it's all scary and there's like people who've been killed by the monsters and you learn their stories and find collectibles that's the stuff that really feels like bioshock but everything is like not real just in Vr and like fantastical Silent Hill. Shit like the the world is crumbling. And you'll see like whole sections of the city are like it floating in the distance because like everything is cracking apart. But it's not really. You're not like inefficient haskell world you're in this spiritual VR place so that goes away really quickly and it. It just feels like oh no. I'm just like in Silent Hill. Just a real person but then the narrative elements will be. You're on the radio with someone WHO's out in the real world like talking to you in Vr. And of course if you die there you really dice isolate the stakes are real. It's like the premises like. That's just a little weird. It doesn't totally me because I keeping like. Yeah like why not. Just have the guy go to an actual weird crumbling have that be the game. And he's investigating supernatural but they wanted to do more of like a techno horror setup we stand VR. Dave sometimes. It feels like I'm like so. Am I just like a guy who's come to deal with a bug like just tech support guy with a gun. I mean that's funny. Yeah that was actually the setup. The game was that you were like a ghost Hunter Reich in games that are haunted deadline for like development. And you're review bugs. I loved that. Actually this idea twenty one it would work and it. So there's a lot of ways at this game uses the premise. Really Amazingly Amazingly. Like you'll go somewhere and then you'll boom. You'll just be warped somewhere else. And it's because you're in this operating system you can just go out on a thing and you're somewhere else. Yeah or even like you'll have to go to a location to get there. The portal is a computer. And you'll open up the computer and then you enter a loading space and you're in the game. And he's in the loading spacing loads in and then you walk over to another computer. It creates this game is visually beautiful like the art is amazing. There's all these really cool ideas. It has that bioshock feeling in the presentation which is pretty cool for an open world game because they also use the premise. Where you'll go thing that happened to me recently? It was like you know. Pacing and horror is really important right like it's like the horror. It's like only scary. If they can really control you know the relief and the tension and like the horror and the fear and then Mike getting away and then a joke that kind of dispels the tension and then like that's all has to be very controlled so open world. Horror is like kind of a tricky thing. I've never this is the best open world world horror game I've ever played I ever played in there. Yeah I was thinking to myself if I played an open world game but yeah our state of decay. But that's not not really horror. That's like more survival. This feels a little like that. But the thing they'll do is the houses feel more like set pieces and they're really well paced. They'll go into a house because because you've got a thing on your radio or right and it's a small thing but then you'll walk ins. This is an example pretty early in the game but walk into a house and like read a journal and the journalists this woman. And she's like it's coming walls won't stop it. I don't know what it is I'm terrified. It's actually pretty scary. I'm like this is scary. And she's like I don't like I'm so scared haired and then that's kind of it and then you go in and you like explore the backroom and then it's like you come out and that's where the the J. Hora lady turns up the lakes and then you're like suddenly suddenly you're in this like other thing and she sees you and she grabs you and then you get warped to this like hospital and she's hunting you this hospital and suddenly like just you're in a Linear area where you have to escape. And so it becomes this stealth horror thing and of course being like fuck this. This isn't what I signed up like scary. Like I liked creeping up upon guys and Lake Stealth killings up here w like hunted by a ghost. Yeah so it lets them do that kind of thing which is cool and then the most bioshocky thing I'd say is you're in a city that city is like overrun by zombies. We're trying to find your daughter. And so there's a lot of stealth it's like very like throw bottle drives on be away it killing and actually the thing I like about his. I'm actually scared of zombies. It's like a stealth game where I'm really worried about being spotted because it's like very like early resident there's an evil as where it is obvious can actually fuck you really fucked up and like you don't have a lot of AMMO and you have to be careful overwhelmed and that I think works well. It's funny that like stealth and horror really lend themselves to one another. I guess like the original thief Games are a good example. This there were these horror levels of those games. Where you're really sneaking past zombies and the undercarriage of our skeletons? I guess under the castle like Stealth sneaking and being scared or like go really well together. Yeah so anyway. Those things work well together and generally. You're fighting zombies. And they're just. They're like creepy specific zombies and have weird shit but there's zombies but there are also bigger enemies so the lady the scary lady. She'll just turn up one time. She just appeared and was like hunting me on the street and I had to escape her so she randomly appears after you trigger that event and I think she's like a major character because I've looked up some walk-throughs one ran. Make the game less scary for myself. And it's like it's just GonNa be the entire go. Google the search fuck it goes lady but so there's a sense of like a cast of characters and it makes the world kind of feel feel like this ecosystem because there's the main bad guy right now who super bioshocky. He's like Sander Cohen and bioshock. Because he's like a serial killer guy with a camera and he'll kill people in this with magic camera where he photographs them at the moment they die and it freezes them in the moment of their death in this like three D. thing of like blood spurting out as they come back and then you can like walk in there actually there and like examine them and he is like hunting you so it kind of has this feeling of the way Senator Cohen of the music guy in bioshock who's like always on your radio and like staging these tableau for you and fucking with you and then finally fight him on the swimming at some point all actually fight this guy so there's just that feeling of like there's this guy and there's this lady and then there's also all these zombies. There's a bigger story happening. But there's these kind of itemized like localize little adventures. I'm going non and I'm like hunting for gear and then it's great. I'm really I'm really digging it so I'm hoping the story gets a little better. It's long game is pretty long. I WANNA WANNA keep playing it for now. At least if I did lose interest I think it would be that like the story. Isn't doing it for me enough. Like I'm just not that drawn in. And it's all a little jargon Ian confusing with all this shit and realities within realities and the main character is such a a dull a dollar but But I I've pretty pretty early so I feel like I'll get more into it and I really like the game so big fan keep playing it pretty cool all right. I'm looking forward to both of US playing stranding evil within two next week because we're GONNA stick to our video video games schedule. Spoke totally you're going to do here. It's I think we can. Let's take a break and then we will be back with Paul Tamayo to talk about. Well talk about many things to talk about journey to the savage planet and Dragon's dogma. Most of all so stick around Japan. Hello I'm Melissa Kirsch and I'm Alice Bradley. And we're the host of light packers podcast. The upgrade did the upgrade is a show about all of the ways. You can improve your life that means how to be happier and healthier and more successful and more productive and just generally better in every anyway we talk about stuff like sex very few people are like please Jackhammer me for another forty five minutes psychedelics. You don't just go on the diving board when you're five years golden jump in the deep end because that would be met and psychopaths giving you exactly what you need or want without. Maybe you being aware that you want it you can find us forever. You get your podcasts. And we are back now. Joined by politician who is a video producer Kentucky and also a host of his own gaming podcast called the optional. Great show were so excited to finally have Paul Hall on our show Paul. What's up while let's good guys? Thanks for having me. Oh I'm super pumped to be here the first time longtime time listen. I can't believe believe we have made. This happened before I I'm so excited about it. And it's true master podcasters at Kentucky. That wasn't on. Also we're not going to talk about Tetris. But they do kind of just. I WanNa talk to you about Tetris the whole time. But I'm not I'm not GonNa let us. I'm just GonNa mess you up front. That Paul is amazing Tetris and that every time I watch it is if you playing Tetris tetris effect. I want to know your secrets jealous. Not Good enough it tetris and the police who good tetris. But anyway that's just a fun fact fact just a fun fair yeah fun fact so much so many of my teenage years just gone to Tetris. So that's that's my secret. At least you get to be good on the Internet at ten is is it really pays off. It seems only fair and I also wanted to bring Paul onto just give a different shout out to this video that he made about journey to savage planet the Savage Planet Savage Planet I think is the planet yes okay. It's the only one savage planet this game and so so Paul made this great video for us. It's about it where the first couple of minutes of the video is just straight up talking about the game play and then he pretends that the video is over and is like fi and then comes back and talks it's about the history and etymology of the word savage and it's racist history and it's it's a really fun way to set up a video and politics wanted to hear you're from you about that process yet. No I had a really good time with this one. I even like a had a nod to Tim You know who who's no longer working fulltime but I had to him Because I've been working with them for over two years now so some things will sort of will exchange some ideas here and there and be inspired by each other so I had a line for him that I had him read but yeah a lot of it was inspired by a lot of his stuff. And I've been wanting to do something like this for a minute now and and this sort of lined up At the right time and I remember when it was first announced like I mentioned my video I was just like oh here we go again like a game about exploration and being a pioneer colonizer. And it's in how you know the the just the the way In which that has a long history with the word savage and I know like I I mentioned it in my video that like look. I'm not telling you to stop using that word. I'm not here here to be like the police arrest you for using that word But you know it's Kinda hard for me as someone from You know with indigenous background to separate that from you know oh the from the game and my in my experience with especially when the game at every turn is like good job colonizer. And he's like you know doing the most when it comes to that kind of stuff such wanted to talk talk about it real quick and just bring it up to you. Know to bring it to people's attention and and just have a civil discussion about it. Like look man I you know I actually liked the game. I thought it it was really fun. It reminded me a lot of metric. Prime which is I. Think the main source of inspiration glowing is really. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I liked that game a lot. I just wish I as you could have used it the source you know what I mean like. Just pick a different word. That's all I'm asking you know. Just just be a little bit more conscious that kind of stuff. Yeah I mean. I think that's true you but I also think you made a good point in the video and also in the accompanying post about how since the game happens to be about colonizer and a pioneer like even if the use of that word was an unintentional that subtext is still part of what the game's about and that's just an interesting question to me and I do. I do think it makes people uncomfortable to think about that question. And how many games there are some what you talked about. In the video that are about exploration and reward that colonization mechanic as a part of what they're about and it's just it's good to talk about even if it doesn't mean that we're saying like oh you can never use this word you can never make game that uses these elements. I just think it's good to be aware aware that there is such a part of these kinds of games totally and that's like all I'm asking is like in the future moving forward and I I kind of mentioned it as it's like a joke between me and my friends always say l.. Pick up to your mistake if you if you make a mistake for something. It's a reference to have our own house rules and That's all I'm asking. Skin is like let's keep playing. Just pick up to for your mistakes. Keep moving keep moving forward and I was trying to be positive constructive about it but yeah I do think it's important to understand that and and you know how it might hit a specific part of your your audience and like one who was excited to play this game but it comes with a huge asterisk every time I have to explain it to somebody like but right right. It's tough because and to sort of summarize this where people basically it's that select describing people in a country that you're causing as savages way of sort of dehumanizing them to make what you're doing okay and that's kind of the history of this word and that's why when you actually look back and how it was used their other words you can use because savage is such a word you you know here. It's like a game about about colonizing planet but it's also used in gaming all the time right Little Bit Oh my God that was savage like he just savaged that guy and you can see the all but this is just like a word I use. I don't want to think about it and it Kinda gets at how I feel like colonialism. Is this thing that everybody is just starting to deal with or at least least white people. Maybe are like Sergio with more like I. At least I don't know I was recently listening to Hamilton. And I love this musical and it's great and you wanted the Great Disney buying it and instead of I promise I'm going. This dislike an example of like a sort of a thought that process that. Maybe we'll be familiar to some listeners. And that's that was listening. I know this musical inside out. I think it's wonderful I think lin-manuel Miranda's brilliant. I really like it and at the same time him I was like this. Is this really cool reconnect realization of the founding of America. But there is no place in that musical for the indigenous people that America was founded founded on top of. Or you know like in the place of and that's actually like a missing element from the music. When I was like man? You know as much as this. Is this really cool. Like Rican sexualization with like a multiracial cast and like making see the founding of America differently. It's also missing this huge thing that was just like massive injustice. The whole country was like a we. Just kill the whole bunch of people and Mike took their land. And there's all these lines where it's like you gotta fight for your land back in that musical and I was like you have it is your land. And that's that isn't uncomfortable. Thought it's just something that you kind of have to deal with if you're being honest with yourself so anyways that was a thought I had related to this and To that conversation yeah and I think you bring up a good point to where like I think I think a lot of our pop culture tends to look back on certain things that were directly influenced by some of by colonialism. And and you know we tend to forget it or like like you know willfully ignore it and All I'm just saying is hey this these words and and the things that you know those retro pop you you know. SCI FI novels and stories shows. Yes shows they. They look a lot of a lot of stuff. Doesn't hold up but Just remember where where that stuff was pulled from. I think nowadays where we're sort of making a more a stronger effort to be more conscious of that kind of stuff and I think it's great. I think it's wonderful but I also think like yeah. Yeah you know I get it some folks just WanNa have fun but also like you know. There was a point in time of my life even very recently where I didn't want to have to think critically about the stuff I was consuming but somehow some way like a switch turnout in my head and I became more conscious of especially you know being somebody who has a voice now and like just being re responsible with that kind of voice is all asking for. I did like how you approached it just in the like okay. Here's the video that's just like. Is this game fund for people. Who aren't there yet? Because that's okay too like everyone's on their journey like you want to know if this game is good. Here's I think and then it was like okay. It was like a video version of. What's the the tweet where it's like? Here's a thought. And there's like dot dot dot okay. Did everybody leave. Okay come over here like it was very bad which I thought was sort of like it was a playful way of broaching the subject that some people find uncomfortable and I like to. That's why you you know. It was definitely lightly inspired by a lot of what Tim did. Because he's always playing like forty chests with his audience where he is going to be somebody and that's why I did it my house like I. I know someone's going to screen shot the webster dictionary website and be like well technically. It's not right the French word or what you know. I'm like all right. Look I know you're going to do this. I have to sort of always think like like three or four steps ahead but also make it fun and funny. Because I don't I don't want to feel like just you know talking down or or preaching or you know being too preachy so I wanted to just have fun one with because at the end of the day. That's kind of who I am in like. I don't want it to feel too. I concerned about stuff and I. You know I'll I have my that time away from from I'm from the job but I just WanNa make it fun and I thought that was really like interesting idea. I might start bending the youtube rules with where I'm like. Yeah Yeah I'm in favor of it. So speaking of things. You're having fun with. This is a segue. You guys like. Good Job Luth on a segway game. Dragon's Dragon's dogma. Paul likes this fall. I've never actually played this game so I'm ready. Never know that's not true. I I have played it before. I've played it never house before. We've never really talked about it onscreen though like I offer this is great because I mean when I came out back in twenty twelve I believe I would mean I was still you know I was not in any place to be just out here ball and buying game aim so I I was at school. I was a struggling film student Imram and every night so this is completely was not on my radar but when it came out on switch. It's just when I started getting into it which I think was last year or or two years ago. I forget when it came out on switch but You know they're a bunch of other folks at the office and on on my timeline. I've been talking about it. So yes she she you know she was actually. I was playing the other day like at the end of the day. I was just hanging out my office and I'm fortunate enough. Heather Heather will stop by and we'll just hang out and she'll give me point like tips and stuff because the dave percent. Yeah so okay. So she was like. Oh you need to do that like combine that. Go back to whatever and I so to give people a quick read. Let's Yeah uh-huh Dragon's Dogma is like a third person action adventure game like some light. RPG elements That I think Heather told me Some of the folks who worked on that went went on to do monster hunter stuff which makes so much sense because of the combat in this game is like chef's kiss it's it's exquisite. It gets a fight these like giant trolls rules and and Griffin's and stuff and you're like doing front flips onto them grabbing onto them. It's wonderful sponsor. Yeah Yeah it's very very monster hunter like in that way and I love Monster Hunter and So I kind of want it. It's basically sky room with monster hunter and it's like the perfect thing I wanted for uh-huh yeah for my commute and for like you know Saturday mornings when I don't WanNa leave bed and I just wanted like just grab my switch and grab a cup of coffee and play something and I I have been an loving this game. I I've been playing it for so long and I realized very recently. That wasn't playing it right. I've missed his very one missing one small this one. NTC outside of a castle. That I just completely ran by and I just like whatever I talked to him once. I didn't pick the the right dialog option. I guess and I've been grinding this whole time as in one specific class. I've just been fighting monsters. I've been you know getting Materials and and then I'm like what what else do in in this game. I don't understand how to like. Is there a way to progress. So I wind up going back to the first town. You go to the first major city and talked to this homey outside of a castle and he's like Oh. Yeah here's a bunch of quests and now I'm just like extremely overbroad I switched my classes. Yeah it's hard for all the quest that you were supposed to have done like hours and hours ago. Yeah Yeah so so the good thing is dragon's dogma has like a a series of Different classes you can choose from so I was playing as an archer now and planning as a fighter which is like up close sword and shield kind of guy and And there's a there's a bunch there's like ones that fuse magic with that so you can become like a magic archer and stuff like that so Now I just have the the joy of sort of playing this with a with a lot of cash in my bag and a lot of materials and a lot of experience points to a US so now I'm just basically playing it on easy mode so it's a it's a good time. I love the game. I have some questions for you. I guess so. For starters my sense it's always been in. This game is like hard to get into that P. It always seems like there's always critics I also see Patrick Lubbock and Austin Walker that they talk about this game. I always people on twitter who are like Dragon's ends dogma. Dragons for years for what feels like ten years feels like this game came out in two thousand and six or seven. Who did it but But I've seen people talk about it forever and I've always been like that seems kind of cool but but that's always with that caveat of it's hard to get into. Why is it hard to get into or do you do disagree with that with that characterization so I yeah? I didn't play when it first came out. So I'm playing like dark arisen which I'm assuming is like the game of the year. Yeah all the seas included and I from what heather told mainly my my programmer friend. It gives you some things that make the the starting moments or some of the pain points from the original game a little easier so like There are things you can use repeatedly that used to be like one time you know a one time use consumables so for example like fast travelling. I believe before used to be this thing thing where you can only do it. Depending on how many things you found and with dark arisen I believe they just give you something you can reuse over and over again and So I do think that it. It is kind of tough to get into at first because it does take a long time to get to the good stuff in in ways that I think a lot of these games tend to struggle. With where where it's like our you've seen those highlight clips on Youtube. Maybe even highlight reel and you like you see people doing the wildest things and it does take a really long time to get to that and I think if you if you have any sort of experience with monster hunter I think the the on boarding ramp will be a little easier because some of it'll feel very familiar. You know you know what things to prioritize like for example if if you find a griffin out in the wild it's a giant line with a goat on it's like a goat head on its back and it's tail is a snake over. Uh Yeah it's pretty it's pretty bad ass actually. Yeah it's pretty great. If you're an archer like I was just kind of focus on the tail. The snakehead will oh fall off and you can sort of attack this creature with three different basically like a mini boss with throw. That is very okay. That is very monster hunter to be like at the tail so the poison goes away so now you're saved from the poison in the middle of the fight. Exactly exactly. Yeah so so. That kind of stuff can be if you're familiar with those with that dance. It's not so much Chavez a of a hurdle to get over but I could see if you've never played monster hundred for example. I could see how that would be tough to get into but I do think there's a good amount of like one thing I was told hold also was to just try out different classes very much like monster hunter. If you find a weapon that yeah just switch if a weapon. That's not really working for you. Just just switch it out and you'll we'll find something eventually But yeah that that carrot on the stick thing of like you know. Here's a quest. And we'll give you this amount of money or there's some amount of skill points it's always there and that and that feedback loop is so satisfying and it's in a setting that I actually enjoy Yeah just hits all the the right notes for me man. I might have to switch. I'm looking to and so it came out in two thousand eleven or twelve which is after thousand years ago especially when you consider so dark souls came out in twenty eleven and it wasn't really until like what Lebron has two thousand fourteen. That was kind of win like people like me. I'm just going to say the whole world is like no but I do think though that like there were a lot of people like Dr Sowell's became mainstream. The last five or six years right since about wind bloodborne came out. There were a lot of people who are like. Oh I couldn't get into dark souls by like this and then went back and we're like Oh dark. Souls is really good and that kind of game because also monster monster hunter like sort of monster. Hunter World came out and everyone like so many people have been kinda waiting for that. That's what got me into monster hunter. I wonder if I would play this now. Just be like Oh this is the shit like there's nothing weird about this at all. This just seems like a really fun game or if I played it in twenty eleven like Oh my God. This is so hard to get into. I don't get it I think so. You would probably love this game if you love world and and you and you will join the team. I don't have time for this list. Challenging to Yes yes because it and then you and you'll join the team all of us. Who are like begging Capcom to make a new one like a monster hundred world for drag Dogma and get more people on board and streamlined? Some some of the stuff because there is some of those weird like you know beginning of the decade like sure that quests and stuff where you're like Oh God just to the good stuff It seems like switch might mitigate that having an on switch 'cause you're kind of like whatever fetch quests on switched to me or just don't hit. They're not as much of a waste of time. But just because of the format like a hand held willing like when you're playing Switzer description you're like it's like Saturday morning. I'm just GONNA chill out like it's more like I'm more grainy stuff on the switch because I'm like I'm in Hammett or whatever you know like if you're sitting on your couch and you're using big screen mode on your switch. It suddenly irritating. Oh Yeah I should be playing some major media content screen. I feel like this is a real thing but it is. I guess. It's also like become my commute game. which is like how I often will almost most miss my stop every every day on the problem? Yeah that's a great sign so yeah I think if you have the time for it if either fits into a commuter Mutahar like me and just WanNa grab some coffee in you know. Stay in bed game than this is perfect for that kind of thing. Yeah I can't I can't talk enough about Dragon's Talk My love that game so much. Do you feel like you actually did the right thing by ignoring that. One quest giver like is this a situation. Where if you could do it all again you would still play the game that way? It love being powerfully over leveled. I also love being over level position on that Paul. Actually I don't mind so much because it's so oh I mean I was. I definitely over leveled the heck out of that one class so I still have a nice amount of things to try out and I'm still struggling. Also get my like my butt kicked when I'm out there and I don't know necessarily how to attack a problem with a sword and shield whereas before I was just making it rain arrows on a griffin So I wouldn't do it again the same way. That's for sure But I don't mind having all of the like now I just have it's basically like Like a free for all I could just go and try everything out that I wanna try and and actually don't mind that I feel like I I would prefer to play it that way. Then have it sort of handhold me. In the way that I think he was intending to So that way I think I kind of like broke it or remixed it in a really interesting way But it still doesn't take away the enjoyment of like having to learn all these new move sets and some of the some of the The enemies on fighting They're still really difficult. I still need to The other thing I forgot to mention was You have Companions alongside you these these N. p. sees that you You have one particular. That's like your left hand you if warrior with you at all times and then you can go to these stones and You just access the servers like the online functionality. And you can sort of you can pick other players Ponds which is what they're called and you can also send your ponds to friends games. I knew there was somewhere. multiplayer element to this game is that the main multiplayer component is like you can take other people's NBC's Yeah yes and then when when you like logging again you'll you'll get a notification that's like Oh you're NBC. Did this and you got all these rewards for you. So there's like a really nice way to constantly check into the server like kind of perfect for my place especially as of late I. I'm I'm moving away more from like the you know the the grind e shooter shooter that needs that wants to become your your part time job and like. I just don't have time for that anymore. So it's like it fits that it it just like a goldilocks game. It's it's just right if it's all the the things we needed to cool. Yeah that's a little bit like the feline. The cat missions. You can do in monster and Richard somewhere and I realize this is like a capcom game like they're both Capcom Games like the court. They really really do. They really are very similar. Sounds like I think I'm GonNa Shit. I think we'll have to play this game. Paul if we were to play this game him would you just describe each of the classes that we would know which one we would want to choose or that you would recommend so you're an archer I don't tend to play as archers invasive I we're gonNA play this I would want want to try one or the other ones so I mean I think I I've only just played two of them but I have a good friend. My coast actually my podcast co host. Start the CAM. He's playing as a mystic knight or something like that. So it's a blend of magic a hundred Sounds pretty sweet. Yeah so I think that might be the the one for you but there's a there's also like you can be a major. You can just do like magic just ham back and let your pawns do a lot of the you know the up close and personal stuff and you can just hang back. And he'll them him or her launch things from afar so yeah there's there's a good mix of thing I mean again. It's like a lot like monster. It's it's almost. It's like nearly impossible to do not find a weapon or a class in this case that that will that you'll love and Yeah it's just continuing to sell this carriers. We'll all be like it's only playing. Mushroom is just play mushrooms like dual blades. Always Malay I really like getting in those fights is owed dragon's dogma like animation locked kind of the same thing where you commit to an animation. And you can't get out of an enemies of the same way so it's like that same kind of comment because like I like that kind of Malay calm but sometimes in monster hunter pick up the other like the ranged weapons and there's rings these weapons gears of war like it's like you're playing with the machine gun and you're keeping distance Aaron like this you're trying to sell me. It's like a completely different engage. Play with that stuff. So that's cool that you can do that in in this game as well. Yeah that's what makes me want them to come out with. Let me play online with my with my mom and doc just capcom. If you're listening please. Listen they listen. They did everything they say now. So all this talk about resident evil nowadays so for all I know people are totally out. What we that's like demonstrate? I cannot confirm or deny that like resident evil seven being in first person. That was all us we were like. We'd love to play the first I ask you got to Kentucky split-screen keeping the energy out your dog mature. Let's go out. Let's make all right. I guess that's a good stopping point. They sure do you have anything else. You WanNa shut out twitter. Obviously people should check out the optional. If they want to hear more from Paul Paul email. Yeah Paulie Paulie Mayo ally Amazon Mario a Yo and yet You know if you if you like Here talking about drags Dogma check out. My podcast is the optional. PODCAST DOT DOT COM. We do it once a week and talk about how you play Dragon's dogma. Every single week since you're only dragon's dogma. So it's a giant podcast. Yes basically just like split screen. There's a destiny survey survey. Thanks so much for having me free showman. Thanks very much fall. It was it was a pleasure And we're back. That was a lot of fun now I have to play. Dragon's dogma damage. Let's let's talk about awesome non video game things. Mattie written something very exciting for off topic topic so I want to hear more about this so sure I will go. Oh for it so my girlfriend and I finished watching. Every single episode of elementary that has ever existed deter place that show with a different show. That is a thousand seasons long and will stick with us in the same way and she has never seen the wire and okay so the wire like award winning noted. HBO TV show of the early. Two thousands I believe it started coming out in two thousand two which is a year that we have looked up probably sixteen times so I should really remember what it is because every time a character takes out a cell phone looks at a computer uses a typewriter which many characters used typewriter Friday's show. We look at each other and we say two thousand to two thousand to two thousand. We're just living two thousand two so I saw the wire I saw some of it. I don't think I actually finished it. It was like when I was significantly younger that I was watching it. I had very different politics back then. So it's been really cool to go back and watch the wire again and be like. Is this show as good as everybody always thought it was. I'm a few episodes in and so far art it is it's just good and I also can't believe it came out in two thousand two because it's politics still still feel super relevant the way that we talk about policing now. So here's what the show's about the fact that in two thousand two is immediately important because it's it's like a post nine eleven show. You're following a police unit and also a gang that in Baltimore and those are two ensemble cast that you're sort of switching between there's a couple gangs but at the very beginning they just start you off with some of the characters who are members of this gang this group that's dealing drugs and then some of the police who are trying to you find these guys and get them and so you sort of start out being like okay like you've got some police characters you got some drug dealers and there's anti heroes on both sides but also like the police characters are dealing with the fact that the war on drugs which is fake anyway but it's not trendy anymore than they used to be constantly getting money the and resources and support for cracking down on drug dealers but now the counter terrorism units are all the rage and so these police are like kind of put upon but also you. Don't I feel sorry for them. Sometimes because this is a show that's very much about like corruption and the system and stomach failure and systemic failure like the show. No I mean the thing that about the wire that is like amazing and yet also disheartening central lesson in this way and that it's like the systems are bigger than you and and you can try to change them and there are many different characters on both sides of this very muddy divide even saying both sides feels pretty reductive for a show like this but who are trying to effect change in their communities and either are failing and interesting ways or like are succeeding in interesting ways and MHM that is. I don't know it's it's really fucking good man. I don't know it's a good show. It's on Hulu now. People can rewatch the wire if they want to. I want it. I watched watched I so I love the wire. I've seen it multiple times. Jason ever seen the wire I we listened to the segment because I'm always this is like for for him. It's always telling me to place we code into you for me and hit me. Always telling him to watch the wire because he's always like the Sopranos is the greatest TV show ever and I'm like you literally just should not see that. Seem like they're very different shows and they're both a fantastic. It's not really about better or worse but it's like if you want to start making broad proclamations about great TV or at least like all the great tv shows and the wire is definitely one of the great TV shows. I love the where I don't like the new aspect ratio. I feel like a weird thing to complain about. But it was enforced originally the first few seasons uh-huh and it was shot that way. It's like actually really amazingly shot show. I could like nerd out about any one aspect of the wire but yeah I agree that it holds up. It's a little stage era. You're the first season I think. Then I remembered it being when I watched it initially which was maybe like four or five years after it came out. I remember thinking this is like real like 'cause it just Israel Israel in a certain way it's like denser and not it doesn't hold your hand at all it was like a you know it was like before that kind of TV caught on. It was the thing that made that popular. It was like we don't have to have flashbacks. Do you remember the first episode. There is a flashback to the guy. iding the shooter in court. Yes like this Ashley Ashley. Found that really strange and talk about that when that happened. I Made Fun of allowed and was like I already knew that guy's name and was really proud of myself and my girlfriend was like I. I didn't remember his last name was gant. I was really glad to shed the flashback. There's like twenty seven characters on this show what he's saying. I was like yeah all right. Good point I guess it's like Nice that they're we're helping you. Well it's the pilot. Hbo I think forced that move prohibits. I didn't WanNa do it and it never happens again in the entirety of the show in that context. I I was like this feels wrong because so much else about this pilot has been about throwing us in the deep end. Yeah you just met twenty-seven guys like deal with it. You're going to have to remember who all of our don't know what what these terms are. There's so much slang that you've probably never heard before like it's so as a bunch of police procedural stuff which that's the other thing about it. That's interesting to me like I do feel like I have such a different literacy now for like what a police show is supposed to be and the wire. He's just not that at all like the police regularly being fuck ups and corrupt is like especially after watching elementary. Which for all of its enjoyable aspects is very much about fantasizing? The police presents Sherlock and Watson as superheroes essentially chilly. And like they're always right. They always get their man like it's it's a fantasy of police work. That is very sanitized and feels weird to watch at certain points. Because you're like this show so much on the side of police are unimpeachable like internal affairs on every presented as and tagging is like the idea that internal affairs would be investing Sherlock Holmes like how dare they like. That's that's like a frequent plot point. They do on the wire. You're like internal affairs. Should be investigating. Having some of these people was going on and like just watching a show like that as compared to because I love mysteries I watch a lot of these kinds of shows is and it's refreshing to see a show. That is not doing that in his like very unafraid. To make you uncomfortable about those systems they pick good premises. I remember number one I. I watched it not liking season two because people were like oh because it introduces the Stevedores and like the dockworkers and Barksdale clan takes a back seat a little bit and it just it just broadens. It's focused watching it now. It's like great like it's so interesting because it's so concerned with like the fall of the American working class and like unions and stuff and I'm like no much more about that season three I think is so much about cop stat. which is the whole computation where they're using statistics to try to like maximize efficiency? And so you had to go before these people and you would just get greened in front of everybody because like your numbers are down you gotta get numbers up led to all these terrible habits. I just listened to a reply all that podcast about com stat and the guy who invented it who then super regretted it and I was like oh I know about this because I watched the wire the wire it turns out the wires. Rendition of it was like pretty fucking accurate. Because that shows so like grounded in reality season for his schools and it's super heartbreaking and then five season five is the weakest that's about the media and it's where so David Simon show. Yeah and he was like an editor reporter for a long time at the Baltimore Sun. I'm pretty sure that's where he worked. And like there's there's a sense sometimes that he's kind of like he's like getting getting back he's got you've been grinding some axes and his kind of getting back things and there's like a whole plotline about like journalists making up stories that it's all a little bit broad maybe but man it's such a good show. I hope you hope you all I gotta get Jason Too. If you keep watching it you can help me talk him into watching it. We'll see we'll see so so. Let's talk about the good place finale. Another thing that we have. Yeah let's let me do so. I watched a couple of other things that I want to do. Quickly with a good place for a minute so I watch. dunkirk finally never saw it before. Have you seen that movie. I've still got my screener lying around but I never watched it and it's from last year right. Yeah Yeah I had had my screener to and I was I. I just never watched it and I was like okay. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Watch this thing because I wanna watch nine hundred seventeen then it's a sequel. Just it's a sequel. All the ninety s seventeen to really all world war movies are sequels to World War One movies. That's how so I for some reason I was like well. I I should watch my like Archie Moore movies order. I guess I don't love more movies. dunkirk is a fascinating movie. Like whole. It's not I don't know what I thought it was going to be. But it's it wasn't that there's almost no talking in this movie. I wish I'd seen it in Amax. Because it's shot they switch aspect ratios and like there's some of the stuff like there's stuff in the sky where what's his name Tom. Hardy is like this pilot. And it's these all in a World War Two dogfighting that's going on and like the sky. It's just negative space like it's just this huge the sky just like going on forever and like these tiny planes and it's so cool so so basically the story of the rescue dunker and it was like a thing you know before America Join World War Two was like this great British retreat but they actually like people came through and saved hundreds of thousands of people in that allowed them to keep fighting. And it's just like this cool lake. It's a Christopher Nolan movies. Pieces clicking together the storylines are told on different chronologies. So like one of the storylines instead of a week. That's the one on the beach. And then the one of the Lake British civilians coming to help them set over the course of a day and then the guy in the air Tom Hardy over the course of an hour. But they're intercut with one another and then they all come together toward the end which is actually how inception works like everything kind of coming together. And it's funny because I think people I had thought this was going to be confusing. That there was some gimmick but having just watched the witcher I was like oh I get it now. Interacting more complicated than this this is easy like completely is just logical. Well so anyways I thought it was really cool. Movie talk about a lot but I won't but it's great. I recommend it and then the other thing I want to recommend is cheer the net flicks cheerleading documentary which we just finished last night. And and it's so good. It's so good. Have you watched any of it or having girlfriend saw it it sounded pretty good. I just haven't yeah. There's too many things and I was glad I was glad that we took the time to watch. It's about a junior college cheerleading team in central Texas. It's very like Friday night lights but about cheerleaders about people as well but it is. It's great and it really. Just I have a million thoughts about it like it's very complicated. It doesn't likes looks like cheerleading. Is Like fucking weird or like the fact that dangerous very dangerous like that's a big part of the show is that the trees and children and yeah I mean and it's these kids who a lot of them are. They're they're amazing. Like every kid on. The show is amazing as you get to know them they all had the hardest lives. Like it's heartbreaking. The stuff stop by their parents left them they were alone. They had nothing and they basically found cheerleading. As this thing and they're amazing when you watch them doing their tumbling routines and stuff it's like holy shit like it's it's like circus. Mix with gymnast gymnastics really amazing. But there's still this also this weird sexist element of cheerleading. Where like they still have to put on all this makeup put their hair curled conflict? And it's like hardcore athletes. But then they're also kind of being like nebulous shows during their two. So they're sexualizing young kids and it's it's he's got a beauty pageant quality and like they aren't officially judged on their appearance. But there's like one category that everyone kind of knows is the general impression category. So it's very the but in the end you just watch them and it's like it's just amazing like what they do and who they are and I. It's so good so I just loved it and I recommend that people watch it so so. That's a good place. We spoil suffering because I feel like I can talk. I liked this TV. The show. And I think that people should watch it the same way I take on. The ending was so good. Oh man emotions so I don't know how we possibly talk about it without spoiling it. So maybe we just won't we'll just say it was good but funnily enough like so my girlfriend and I watched the episode before the final episode. Which is the one that ends with? Chidi eleanor on the couch together. And they're like we have nothing but time that episode and we just stupidly thought. That was the finale when we watched it and it easily easily could have been like actually just end there and so we watched that episode like experienced all the feelings experiences about like conversation station of the ending and we were like. What are we think of this kind of open ended? That's interesting and then like moved on and then like the next day or something like I o nine or whatever it was like so pumped about the good place Melian Melian what we watched Denali so then that was just funny to me that like we got this bonus episode so that it's kind of parks and rec ask in the sense that it is super ties up every lose that and you could imagine which is like my only gripe but isn't really. Hey Gripe because I sort of expect that of a Michael Moore show at this point. It seems to be his his deal as a show runner. He's like I need to wrap up everything and give an ending that makes sense for their character and like calls back to one thing they said in season one ever end like everyone needs to have that happen like individually in a row and once. I understood that that was the kind of episode I was in. I was like yeah cool cool. I'm super enjoying this so I I liked both the second plus episode in the last episode the conundrum of the second class episode. This isn't a huge spoiler is that there's this challenge of if you're in heaven and everything is great all the time then. Nothing means anything anymore. which is apparently this like long standing philosophical debate on the good flavor? But it wasn't it was when I hadn't really thought about before but it makes sense in the show. Expose it like this show is. What's so amazing? That show is how they really explore actual philosophical concepts like that and and they do it in this really fun funny way and then like Janet it bad parts and it's funny. It's like magic show but I like that. And they put in a matrix reference. where he says he's like he's like she's my favorite philosopher like I had a Porta a picture of her next to like trinite address? Like Trinity from the from the Matrix because the maters is so cool which was totally this because the Matrix and the good place have a surprising amount uncommon and I didn't think about it until that episode. But they really do. And then if you remember in the Matrix he's like the first Matrix was a paradise and we gave you people everything thing and it failed catastrophically because like humans can't live in a world where there's no conflict like where they're happening which was also the premise of the episode. anyways I thought that was like a cool little. The shadow of that is a cool little influence. Yeah it's just a cool show. It's a cool show with good character as I was super like emotional about the ending and I loved. I thought it was still kind. Kind of an embassy was sending like it. They kinda had it all like they gave everyone unending but they also left. It open ended which was beautiful. That a show about the afterlife wound up up being about the big question anyways and about life and what it's like to live your life. Yeah only thing that we could ever really make a show about because none of us could possibly imagine what the afterlife we've raised. It has to be about ordinary human life right and it can leave the actual questions of what happens on the answer like the whole show was set in the afterlife. It was I think that was really beautiful. Man It's a it's a great show. I'm sad it's over but they ended up so yes it was great. Okay so that's it for me but like I mentioned we have a little bit from Jason Schreier because as our listeners probably know the little football a game called the super bowl happened this past weekend. Jason Schreier is a resident. NFL expert and asked if he could call in and tell us a story about the Super Bowl also also. So here's what we're going to do. He called me. I had them call me. And leave me a voicemail. I haven't listened to it yet and I don't know what he's so matenaer both hearing this for the first assigned this might be complete design. Every actions live reactions. But I'm going to play Jason Talking to US voicemail for me and I'll just let them take it away and we're GonNa see what happens happens. Okay so we go all right. Here's Jason Hello Kirk and Maddie. I am fating reach break for my book leads to give you guys a super bowl story at fell three of the week. Come back for one last. Stand to finish it. All off the season with glory So what's the Super Bowl because that was a fun one so the Kansas City chiefs base the San Francisco forty nine hundred the Kansas City chiefs. You're not really supposed to be there. They had obstacles are the best to be their first playoff game divisional around against the Houston. Texans they were down twenty four nothing and somehow managed to come back. Thanks to the magic of Patrick Mahomes then against the Tennessee. Titans they were also down double digits again managed to come back to that after so it chain link. Destiny is the thing. It was driving the candidates to glory so that in mind I place a wager. Here we go skiing and I was a little bit worried. I I am not going to live because the designers came out looking good. They've played the game exactly how they would want to play it to beat the chiefs. Dan Defense could running game game. They control the pace of chief. Seen stifled gotcha homes do not seem like he could do much of extremes happened going into you have time. I don't know if you guys saw this. This is this. Is I think the moment that really secured by fate that can with anything The for dinner get the ball back with about a minute and a half to try to make a drive happen Before halftime and get some points points on the board of it's an ten and instead they chose to run the clock out I. They didn't call a time out with she's sort of taking it back to them and then they didn't they just ramble without calling. Then they decided to throw it but they only have second wind up wasting on this time And it just felt like they lost all believable the conservative weird decision Secure nj though man that was like yeah I watched that the man back into the game. Battling third quarter is very slow. Um Twenty nine dollars control the pace again. Running the clock dragging out into the fourth quarter and is twenty to forty nine once again. People are. You're feeling like the forty niners in control of this game but you cannot count out. Have a home care electric young quarterback. He's he's incredible NCR anyway so he's driving down the field. I think a small wager on the game once again live at it is I feel pretty confident about. And that's where the message cuts off and then there's a second message for the rest of the story. Here we go okay your voice coming off their where was I wake up So it was twenty nine. I believe there were twenty ten minutes lots awesome game chiefs on the ball. He's driving. I'm playing say a wager on the chief live bet which was about three to one odds islands like okay. You know this is i. I have a feeling I just kept them. Ucla but she's GonNa win this game. The drive the drive in very suddenly Pat Mahomes through. It was a terrible picture. It was was thrown a little bit behind. Receiver Kinda bounced off. His hand into defenders are armor was worrying. I will say Hank turned into people in my party and I was like you know what I feel. That she's GonNa win this stay. Don't go anywhere. Kick back to the chiefs chiefs drive drive home gets it in the end though. That's down certainly. It's two thousand seventeen that my friends in the party. Who have been on the forty nine hundred getting a little worried and seventy feels like the momentum lament as a one man and Patrick mom? Needless to say forty nine ers. Don't do anything get back to score yet again. It's twenty to twenty four for For Nine back forty niners are actually making some progress. They have a chance to win. The Game Jimmy Garoppolo the quarterback who was traded from the New England patriots new years ago he had a great performances. Backup with Tom. Brady hurt chuck set up in the air and I think a lot of quarterbacks would've made this throw and completed the throw because the the Receiver of annual Sanders was wide open. He had gotten behind defenders He was running if he if this throw had been curfews thrown it would have been an easy touchdown. He scored and Fernandez was the up. Twenty twenty four but because Jimmy Garoppolo the the handsome wander drove. Read a little too far. It's not land in the receivers and an instead. These nightmares had to eventually give the chiefs scored again just run up across just ensure that my tease of the over and the chiefs would win. Thank you thank you Damon Williams. I appreciate the chiefs. Won The game thirty one to twenty congratulations Kansas City. Congratulations Andy Reid. Congratulations homes and Kirk natty. Thank you for listening to write a book by congratulations to Jason Too for congrats on winning something and also also holding went over on around your friends around the table watching the game together. That's that's true. I did know the chiefs would win so because I mean I knew the outcome but I did not watch the super for Bowl. So that was a good recap either and I appreciate that recap to hopefully our listeners did yeah. Let's let's do your music pick of the week. Yeah okay so there's a new strong. It's about rush vans. People have been great rush a lot. It's a very fun band and a very strong songs Z.. Man like allow complicated shit that I can dig into so after Neil pure died and I learned that his name is pronounced. Neil pure while making in this episode Neil IRT. It's Neil and but it's it is clear. Yeah so Neil Neil pure. Their drummer are amazing. Legend of rock drumming died last month and a bunch of people had written in more. Like you should do an episode. So I did and I didn't Tom Sawyer. which is the one that everybody knows? Everyone knows Thompson. It was like in rock band. It's the famous one. It's in a bunch of movie Harry favorites and so on definitely like it's like the rare rush song that you can do Karaoke cokie twos and so many of them are like minute. Yeah third rain that needs to be covered in order for you to sink. Well yes you're stopped anyone karaoke. Are you okay but lease tough. But so I wanted to do a rush pick the it was kind of like something that people might not know because if you only maybe maybe not Tom Sawyer. You should check out some more rash listed a lot of rush last couple of weeks. What a man? There's such a fun band so this is actually the first Russian I ever heard. My friend played it for me. One of my best friends in high schools drummer. And he's like you gotta check band rush this. The song called La via strategy auto and this is from their nineteen seventy album hemispheres. It's one of those. I think it has four songs on this album. Because like two of the sons or fifteen minutes and this is the closer and it's just like it goes a million different places. They're totally just kinda image showing off and screaming and like it's just totally self-indulgent thing but it's a very fun song goes a bunch of different places there's a swing section that sounds kind of like that acne music Zik whenever Wiley Coyote is building. Something reminds me of that rib. So I'll play a clip from that. Here's a clip from La via strategy Outta And that's that's rush man. That's excel along weird song and fitting many different elements into it as possible. That's what it was fun to learn more about pure as a drummer he is A. He is a really really great guy. Like I didn't know that many stories about him but I watched this big a documentary where he liked relearn how to play. After thirty years. He found a teacher and like learn a new style unless like always trying to grow and really thoughtful guy. Yeah he's got really cool. It is cool like a lot of times with those rock bands. You know it's like the guy was like kind of addict for like he's good musician. That's settled very much into their style. Al Right Track the drummer from Russia and the most famous guy learn traditional grip for. But no yeah you definitely did All right well let's let's let's call. It will be back in a week from Wisconsin. Well five talking. split-screen is the official podcast of Guitar. Dot Com. It's produced by Jason Schreier. Manny Myers and knee Kirk Hamilton. I edit mixed podcast and also wrote and performed our theme song and other music. You can find us on most popular podcast services and we hope you'll leave us a review if you like what you hear final episodes at guitar dot com slash split-screen. Email us at split-screen Echo Talk Taku Dot COM

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How Do We Stop Crunch? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.17.18

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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How Do We Stop Crunch? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.17.18

"What's up. Everybody welcome to kind of funny games daily for Wednesday, October seventeenth, twenty, eight teen. I'm of your host, Greg Miller alongside the road one, Gary widow, happy Wednesday, happy with Wednesday, user applause on it usually get applause. What's that? A barrel? They're in a good run right now. A lot of guest hosts in so guess applause in the fact that you know, Gary witness gracing us with his really consider myself guest. Said to myself a guest, you are paid family. You're one hundred. I'm just saying they don't want the streak to end of being good about. On this morning? No. Yesterday was on with. I would just look really interesting book. You got a book coming up next week. That's what and you're not going to be here? Not yet, but I'll be back. Don't say we're gonna pimp it. Okay, good. Negga just said, not announced yet. You've got to follow Gary. Listen to anything tricky to tell. I see. Yeah, I do that thing with my kid now say, what's that. She doesn't fold for anymore. Yeah, I dunno, I think. Can we might have you seen the one of the kid? They take the kid to the barber shop like somebody's, maybe it's a friend who's barbed during the barring or whatever, but they have this fake blood that they squeeze out. And then they hand out run a fake year like they cut off the kids. Was I was me gentle occasionally, talk about that. I'm going scar children, but it's going to scotch my arch gen. Emotionally scar them right with all my stupid pranks dressing Jason and convince them houses on as we got dress up Ghostbusters that's going to get to a point that they will be in school, the fire alarms, going off, like smokes coming in every running around my kids. I'm not falling for it. Yeah, it's dad dad, his best friend pogrebin stupid right now. You're gonna. You're gonna. You're gonna boil you cry, wolf them to death exactly fiery, but what a way to go. I mean, if you're gonna go, you gotta go somewhere. 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I've been saving from these very shows and games, casts right on them doodles and all that. That's the that's the fan incentive is the notes from the show running. I know a good idea is a good idea because it feels like a piece of the show exactly. Wanted to sign him. No. Now you just kind of pooh-poohed it. You don't get nothing for it. I'm trying to. I'm trying to give it. Page some valley. Oh, we're gonna miss your next week, Gary. When you're. Kind of funny is I know I today were brought to you by hymns beyond these an lucrative, but I'll tell you about that later for now let's begin the show with what is an forever will be the rope report, but at the time. Two items on the rope report baker's dozen fall. If I'm lying, I'm dying. We're stretching never one this, the fewest items we've been. I don't know if you've ever had some slow news days, but this one might take. It's the normal thing where nothing thing, but it's one of those things where it's a slow news day, but the questions are good. A good show exact. Don't worry about Gary. What could go wrong, you know me, you know us, Greg, we can spin silk out of any old picture. Well, here here you go. Number one hit man to is going to kill Sean bean. This is official statement, and I saw this trailer yesterday. I wanna brothers, interactive entertainment in Iowa interactive today, announced that international actor, Sean bean will stars the first allusive target mission for the hitman to video game being will take on the role of Mark Fava a former m I five Asian turned freelance assassin notoriously known as the undying father's reputation as a master of faking his own death is second to none ultimately causing the international contract agency to put an imposing bounty on his head quote, I'm thrilled to be part of the upcoming hitman to video game that beam. It's always exciting to take on a new role, and I'm looking forward to everyone seeing my character in action when the mission launches. So there's no stop. You're part of the Hollywood machine, big Hollywood. Really say this, is this right? You you just we all know what showing being sounds like he's accent. Yeah. Just imagine the words. I'm thrilled to be a part of the upcoming hitman to video game coming out of his right. Sounds Sarli not always exciting to take on a new role. Ford, everyone see my character and action when the mission law. That's that's one of those things where they've written it. Yeah. Lights at fine. Shirk people of okayed it now. I think it's interesting. Sean means coming over Sherry. It's very cute tongue-in-cheek thing he gets killed in every move. I show nature of the crash showing the characters is no people that might not know the meta. Yeah, Sean bean is has has gone for himself whether deliberately or not a reputation for playing characters who die. Yeah. If Sean bean shows up in a in a in a movie or TV show, there's a good chance. He's gonna, create thrones Lord of the rings joins being the most famous example. So I like that they poke fun of it. I liked that the character is playing is this guy who's faking his own death and the dying, but what's really neat about it is the trailer. They put out a live action trailer of him being interviewed by therapists, right? And the character being interviewed and he's in character in the it's really well done in really well acted and I was watching it like expecting for the IRO of how do they pigeon hole in this, a Hollywood star movie started doing like, oh, this is really well done, and it's cool to see like as usual, I o and hitman doing something interesting with a loser targets and hey, we're gonna come in and we're gonna play with this and throw it around. I, it's a good idea. It makes sense. I like Sean bean who doesn't very always watchable, and I think this might be his video game, isn't it? Oh, I can say, I'm not sure. International ACTA means, what does that mean? Does that mean internationalized you've been to more than one country to do, you're acting or that your your movies play in more than one country national pay must've if strikes me as one of those things that might have been like international movie, star always does something other than movies. Well, he's an actor then internet and. National movie star. Sounds right. International actor doesn't when you start, you start editing a tweet, you know, and the change it and you read it, you publish it and you see like something from the first revision you had in there hanging in there that no longer makes sense because the way restructured it, but it got the new well, like show and being hitman. Pinup. Did you like. Did you like did you play the I, I play. The first the first episode of when when when when into the episode, so I'm looking forward to this will be good down. I played it enough at demos in light. It man, but never did the full deal when it came out and I thought it was cool. So maybe when this one drops to all at once it'll be more appealing. So do you think you he will actually be able to kill showing the Jalen dying writing and since he fakes his own death, he'll be if you really got him exactly. I know like it very clever number two loot. Crate has an indie game subscription. This is from Matthew hand, I was one hand Ron over games industry is. But before I read the story, I do need to point out for disclosure lucrative, sponsoring this episode of funding, sponsoring all week. So they're in the news today. Now I pick the story, obviously, hey, new indie platform stuff, but with a grain of salt. But this is not part of the sponsorship at all, but I'll read when we get to reader mail but only know everything Matthew from games industry as writes this subscription commerce platform. Lou crate is introducing a subscription service focused on independent PC games. Loot play the first digital subscription service from loot crate will start at ten dollars a month for which will receive a curated selection of indie PC games. These digital crates will contain one featured game, which we've prominent in the marketing for that month on platforms such as twitch mixer and loot crates owned the daily create. The other four titles will be a secret until launch day in keeping with the mysterious nature of the contents of the company's fiscal crates quote, we want to solve two problems with Luke place. Loot crates, Eric Reynolds in a statement. We wanna help subscribers, find new games that are curated with focus on creative new voices, and we wanna help those these independent studios reach new audiences. There are large network of looters. I didn't realize create users all. Looters Luda seems loaded. All right. So they have that's happening thoughts, Gary, look, I love. I love indie games. Now you don't really care about games on the PC. That is that is really the thriving most indie games. They the popular ones end up on switch PlayStation XBox, but they mostly are born on PC. PC is really the hundred percent the the incubator. Yeah. And so anything that gets more indie games, exposure and helps indie game creators. I'm for it. I'm full this. No, you now. And I think that's the thing I do worry about how many platforms can there be like exclusives and all that stuff get so weird. Right? Because now you have discord doing dischord firsts on their store. You have of course, humble bundle when they'll bundle stuff up your have now Luke play doing it as well, but it speaks to your point of, you know, independent developers are doing some of the most interesting stuff in video games. Absolutely. And I know how flood of that market is, and I know how hard it is for them to get a foothold and find a voice. It's one of the reasons we're doing. The kind of funny game showcase into cure. They make. They make good point about curation because of the problem of of being an indie game developer is. It's very Cinco swim, and you can create a great game. There are dozens of great games out there right now on steam, which will never really find audience because what is steam is such a vast ocean of games. And so many games being launched on steam every day. That's very, I believe in the general principle that the cream always floats to the top the good stuff. We'll find an audience, but that's not always true. Good stuff can get can get lost in the shuffle because there's just so much of it. And I personally much as I love steam, don't think it does particularly good job of curation. And so anything that can help curate these titles, it's kinda like a wine club. You know, we send you some nice wines or jelly the month club beer the month club, we send you like, we'll Eric special, create curate things that we think you'll like, and that we've picked as with why with your time with your money, send them to you. So you can find some good stuff. So I think it's like that and. I'm all for it. I hope that if it successful, it won't just PC. But you start doing these crates for the console full Matt says, well, you bring up curation. I think that's an interesting angle on this thing right in kinda funny dot com slash wrong, correct me if I'm wrong, or if you don't even the room knows it, I'd be interested if somebody was doing this kind of thing, but more in the way of a stitch fix or trunk club where it's not, hey, you're signing up for a blind box. You're going to get stuff and if you like it, you like you kind of thing. What if there was a curated thing of you go in there and you start your profile and it's like I like RPG's time strategy. This what? My three favorite games are. These three games. I hate this three. John is a hitter this, right? And then you have a consultant that is like, all right, cool for you. We're recommending this these games this month, you could swap. So picking out games the fit because they obviously have to go off and make deals with all of these games. Of course. Yeah. Har pro- that would be a little. A bit more involved than just picking Iraq? Yeah. You know, Greg says he's favorite. Color is green. We'll send him a green tie fairly easy to. Yeah, I think with games that would be more that would be tricky to do, but I really liked the idea behind. There's something there difficult. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe even if you moved into the blue apron method, right? Where would be that, hey, every month you have these nine again games to pick from. Right. But you only pick three. When I pick my recipes or whatever. I mean you because you could send me a great. You could send me like dead cells. If I just don't like that kind of game, doesn't matter how good it exactly why Cup of tea. And that's the thing. The humble bundles, I think in when you want to jump in on those kind of platforms that are, is that wrestling of, well, it's cheap to get the games that way, but how many time I getting something that I just wouldn't play normally. Well, that's the problem with a lot of these curated services is the, you know, it's one-size-fits-all. You don't does a set amount of stuff that you just going to go and just throw it in the trash right away. There's usually like one or two zero. Great. Everyone likes that. But yeah, I mean, think about the physical thing about the physical, Luke crates, they could do that there as well. Do you like pins? Do you like. I don't like pins semi paying something I do like they could. There's a reason why they probably don't do that at least not yet because again, that would make that would just add so much order, magnitude of difficulty in logistics, an inventory and create is this is what it is say, his everyone gets the same box. You can tell because right after Lou Craig comes out walking around with. When you go to packs or something. Everybody knows again. Service people enjoying Google suffering. I, I like your idea. I think I think trying to trying to find a way to make it more bespoke would only benefit prize for right now, though. I like again, anything that can put the spotlight on indie games. I'm all for so Bravo. Lucrative. Right? No, you're correct. So I'm glad they even though we only had two new stories been positive. I hate him when we come in here and we talked about grim stories and Horlick studio closures and and develop a crunch, burn out. You know, oversee, it's important that we cover those stories, but it's depressing. I like him when we just have a positive news die. Him being and indie games, MO easier, indie games. It's a, it's a positive news day, and I'm thankful for that. Well, you walked right into your first reader mail questions about crunch conversation, but for now Gary reader mail so far away if I wanted to segment more on top of us, like say, what came to the mom and grab shops, where would I go the official list of upcoming software across each and every platform as listed by the kind of funny games, daily show, host each every weekday. To do. Today, the Jack box party pack number five on. Jag box to me, I love it. Do you know what's in this one? I don't Kevin. Can I please get Jack box party pack? Five list of games pulled up next deeds. He see any other any new games. Yes, to be usually introduce a new element right to keep it fresh pipe is on PlayStation for wanna, lay some pipe tonight, resonance of fate, four case. Pipe shitting or having sex having sex, it's it is could also be selling shit. Yeah, you definitely don't. Wanna get those two mixed up. Yes. King judgments haven't has brought up. You don't know Jack five on Jack box games dot com. Do you have a list of games at Kef keep looking for that, then. then residents affair. Four k. slash HD edition of PC tear forming Mars on kgo pucks here ole five announced games. Okay. We're gonna read from app trigger dot com. Thanks George wrote two months ago, but the five games that are coming. All right. So you get something cooled Zepa Zepa dome here the air, the five games, you don't know Jack, great. That's, here's the thing about Jack box. You don't know. Jack, should always be in that should be the quiz that Africa, it's the trivia. I never keep up with the. They put Jackie's way is where all started, Greg, that's that's how the whole Jack business began. Yeah, the whole Jack empi share the jackass dotted with, you know, Jack, that's what's the Jack bugs because it's w Jackson, I used to love you Jack back in the day, so cookie Masterson is back. Awesome. Have to get this. And then it looks like the four new games. Split the room up to eight players compete against each other to provide fill in the blank hypothetical that will be the most divisive. And yes, no onces mad. Verse city. Up to eight players split into rap battles. Oh, I don't know about that. I'm not gonna do that. One has that's not for me with another player and are provided partial rhyming prompts. You need to turn them deliver. Deliver robots with speaking spell neutrality, reading the woods, you as you. Okay, patently stupid. Each up to eight players must create their own invention. Fill in the blank to statements, both of which will be provided to other plays in the fence, step market research. Right? And then z. pulled, I'm not quite sure what's described amounts of caffeine. Scroll backup. Topless says z pulled. I might be the flagship title is evil Domo cap off the Jennifer. It's an an auction game action games where you fling your characters around with slingshot physics using portals and knocking down foes while you cume late points. It employs a horrid mode are hard like rush mode where you asked as long as you can. All right. All right. Well, I'm always happy just for a new. You don't know. Jack, you should do this on potty mo- do do Jack box. Potty mode have me on because I would love to be part of it. Okay, I'll do it. I mean, you're so busy. It's so hard to get you ask, Greg. Well, I mean, you gotta ask me. I don't. I don't just show up randomly goes doing any actually. There was one day rack that has happened once I did, I did different LaCroix. That's right. You know, Gary while you're talking about these party games? Yeah, I thought I get saucy biscuit involved. Okay. What's up? Greg, and Gary. Could we just for a moment, take a pivot from Crete odyssey, pivot. I means take a sharp turn into a ditch and talk about the other October fifth game. Super. Mario party my family, and I have been loving, Super, Mario party, and I enjoyed hearing you all talk about it in the last games cash, but I just wanted to hear your thoughts on a few things dot dot. Are you planning to remind party seem to be hit your house? No, I looked today and I might get it. You have to get it why you like party games? I do, but the Super Mario potty games of never really done it for me. Yeah, that's weird. Why just. They have to be mean to each other just all a bit. I don't. I don't like one of the things I've never really liked the party games is the hands, the wacko. I don't let the joy joy coins. They've really seems really doubled down on the winning HD rumble. You know, there was a little there was a little tricycle racing game with had you going. I want to be doing that. I don't wanna move fair. I wanna. Fair. I wanna be's sedentary as possible. I understand that I don't wanna physically have to move. Yeah. I mean, is that so it's no. No, the amount of times I'm like, man, I like to play this. I, I don't wanna put on the headset right now. I don't wanna move my head around when we first came out. I made fun of Jeff Guzman the giant bomb guys playing sitting down. I totally get it. As you get older, I totally came out of like, oh my God, it's so realistic, and it was like, we sit here and very lightly move the controlling you're doing more than you wherever ever doing standing up, but you thought you were doing. Thought you were doing it is more fun to move around sauce for other people shirt for us, not for me. We sweat too much. Saucy continues in this age of games as a service could we see pay deal see for this game over the course of a couple of years or maybe just frequent updates featuring new boards and modes rather than a whole new game immediately until recently, Mario party games were released. Almost annually. If this is the case, could we see in game events like we do in popular online games, for example, halloween's coming up soon. Could we see Mario company wearing spooky costumes and the boards themselves decorated personally, I wouldn't mind buying small expansions feature. Another couple of boards, a handful of new mini games in maybe even a character or to to keep me busy while I wait for an excellent version of Super Mario party to that doesn't feel like another game thrown into the series. So he's question is, will there be Super Mario potty deal say? Yeah, pretty much. It'd be like this. Who knows? Well, here's the answer, I think, is that yes, I think there will be super based on sales a little bit. Yes. I think they'll be Super Mario party DLC it's been in the post. No. Well, kind of dot com slash wrong. I'm not briefed at all in the we you Mario parties. And then beyond that Nintendo understand online tin cans talk to each other and they don't pretty good with DLC these days. Right? But here's the thing is what you're talking about. Saucy biscuit in terms of games, Irvy's. Here's a Halloween event. Here's a new board. Here's what that would be fucking awesome. Yeah. No, they are not built for that. They are not going to treat it that way. A game reserves was interesting. Yeah, Halloween. Halloween about split tune right? Like do you think that the Mario potty games that kind of like, do you think? I get the impression that that's one of those franchises? The Nintendo puts some out every year, but they don't really take him that seriously, they, let's another thing that they do, but it's not like a core part of this. It's not one of their gems by any stretch. Imagine. Right. It's Tim still here. Yeah. David. It's definitely not one of their crown jewels. It's not there Zelda or Mario, but I don't think they phone them in necessarily. And I think this is this is a return to form based on feedback of what people want and what they want. We're talking about Mario, Tim, DOE. Gotcha. Are you good. You're on camera. We added a camera while you're gone. I'm not sure if you're really close to it. You wanna lean back, grab the mic and lean backwards get even closer. I love it. Number one doesn't intendo take Mario party seriously. There's someone they phone. They phoned it in for many years, but not anymore launch without much fanfare, this new one came and I only see it forgotten. It came out just a couple of weeks ago. It's fine. Yeah. Like last week. Over fifty. It's gonna be a slow over. It's an evergreen title. They know that type of thing that they're going to ramp up promotion for during the holidays, you care about them. Do you enjoy them? Good, good step, but not the best. Saucy biscuit is the reason of this Genesis of this question right deal. See for this is they're going to be DLC from aria party. I see there will be deal see but not saucy biscuit, put out a very compelling pitch to make Mario party basically games as a service, and there's a Halloween event. There's an, there's the thanksgiving event. The boards change, there's this game. I mean, there's so many little games. Yeah, that'd be really good. I just not gonna happen. I feel like this isn't the foundation for that. I wish it was has established a trend now. They're actually quite good about Zelda Mario's platoon all these games have seen Mario Kart. Mario seen DLC. Great though, like Zelda deal sea was I think a little bit to spread out and ended up being non essential right then Mario odyssey, where is the deal? See, yeah, we got the Louis balloons. Yeah, but like that's not what anyone wanted. Yeah, fast and splatter. We job with Moyal cart. They did a great job with, but that was we you. There was no deal sea on patched on little random patch updates and stuff and like Lavaux support like they see some other stuff in the deal does for you. Right. Already got all that stuff. Yeah, that's right only because that is they learned on you how to deal twenty thirteen. Hey, man, Nintendo's a slow moving company and they didn't have that many games on we two hundred CC's real fast break. It's true. What are the gains with playing. Standout events in? Yeah, they're all great. I think that they made a really good call even though upset people about having joy con exclusive where you can only play with. So you have to joy on one joy everyone gets play with enjoy using your thumb or is it just throwing the joy every different? Okay. But I feel like that allows consistency where they're able to focus on the quality of the mini games because everyone was playing with the same trollers, but also means that you gotta go out and get more joy cons. If you wanna play. I only have to joy cons. I have more pro control because I like the pro controller. You don't have another set of joy. Because I don't use them that much. Maybe I should get him though. Your friend has a switch? The drillers. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And it supports up to what eight joy cones, four full four player game. Okay. Wish it was more that's nothing, but then the mini games get a little crazy. I don't know. All right. All right party feels a little under baked to me. I'm a little. You wanted more. I wanted more. It's more. What did you want in or it's. Or it's more just kind of a promise of deal, see a promise of, hey, this is a platform that we're gonna just keep adding to me more of in reminds me of how Mario sinuses where it's like, okay, I could have gone for a lot more here this that there's the. Some DOC Mario tennis already. They added stuff already new game modes. So more down with the deal say, I hope they're down with the sickness to down. They are. Bye. Bye. New dates for you? Do the art of cooperation is ready to bend minds. I know November seventh on an intended switch worth. Pointing out that could of course I still out today dates from habits listed as being out today, but I got a press release saying actually it's November seven. So they go, Gary, this one's for you Hooker nineteen. The first official snicker game in generation comes to PS four Xbox One intend to switch in twenty nineteen. I'm going to take it up to correct. You hear she pronounced Snooka snoopers Nukus nukers Americans. Game. Right. Okay. Snooka snoopers Snooka like a new in their Snooka long double-o snoop. Burqa not that long, but it's nukes. I know America's, let's say, okay. Yeah, it's new, Tom, no course. Yeah, it's not. It's not that kind of double out. Okay. It's the like you would say loose Snooka. Snooka. Just remember. It's too new. Got it. Yeah. And this is some kind of pool. So snoopers basically pull for grownups. It's a big tumble way bigger twice the size of a pool table. Okay. The pockets and the jaws a much smaller narrow. So it's harder to make shot the the bowls don't just roll into these giant oversize. There's a Snooka table. So let company lakes it has. It has. It's a playing field you're looking if you're an audience and we're looking at a super table. It has eight legs on this, and there's a particular rules in older in which you the bowl v fifteen reds. Yeah, fifteen reds the white Keeble and then six colors, yellow green, Brown, blue, pink and black with two, three, four, five, six and seven respectively. The way that you score is you should read, then you shoot a kala and the red stay down there. Come back up. So you shoot a red. Okay. Then you pick a color and shoot a color. Yeah, you have to call. It doesn't matter if you you can. It's not like what you have to say. This is going in that corner. Okay, you can get a lucky shot. It's still good long as it goes in as I say, go for green next. You don't have to say it, but it's which on your aiming. So you go read. So a red is worth one greens worth two blacks, seventy three, four, five, six, seven. Those are the six colors and you get to keep shooting as long as you keep putting good red color, red color, red color, red Cala until all fifteen reds down. And then you shoot the colors and sequence, yellow green brand blue pink and black. She's okay. And. If you can do that, if you if you'd think if you if you the maximum possible, what they call a bright, let the number of points you score during your visit the table. If you shoot red black, red, black, red, black, red black, red black fifteen times at a row, and then all the colors hundred forty, seven. That's the highest you can do. And when you see a place, very, very, very rare achievement to do that. Like bowling through the platinum in you attempts. In you attempts platinum trophy Snooka. Sure. Would be the one, four, seven break. If you can do that, I've seen professional plays do is one of the great amazing things achievements feats to watch all of sports, not very popular. It's very popular all over the world apartment in America for some reason. Sure. Very popular in the far east very, very popular in Europe. Snooka it's game. Okay. And excited to see this coming. But the problem I've had and I think maybe maybe you can put me wrong at billion type games. Yeah, they generally don't work very well on computers. It's haunts. They missed that tactile feel the chalk on your hands. You know, you gotta be out there. You gotta be for Snooka in particular that you need to be able to feel all these balls. You know, don't wanna feel the bulls. Exactly. I'm looking to see if they put a trailer with snoop. Kevin, Keegan. The website is snooker nineteen nineteen slurs really good. One was Jimmy. White's will win Snooka, and that was that was very popular. Kevin, we rarely see them. Okay. But yeah, but like Billy type games, very Reno. You see pool games every now. And again, they're very rare here. We all see. I don't think they have a trailer. Anything. Did today. Okay. Just looks like it's coming to all of the the major. Student team, we subscribe. Across all current generation consoles, it looks. It looks like they've got to deal with world Snooka here. All right world champion. Shaun Murphy had this to say to me with a pick up to be able to pick up and controller and cotton did known fucking nobody. To be able to pick up and controller and play in the tournaments that make or break careers against anyone in the world will be an incredible experience at former world champion, Shaun Murphy. I can't wait for the chance to try the game out. I'm sure we'll make for a truly immersive experience. There's a lot of fucking show, obviously approved by the guys representatives quotes on the show today. What an experience this'll shape up to be moving on the witch's house. MB scares its way onto steam October thirty. First death wreck updates, death, rack, update coming October. Thirtieth Tara consuls, retro platformer, hacksaw rocket jumps on November twenty. Ninth in dream. Daddy data rectors cut is coming to place. We would just sort of thirty full of the show. 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Say the only reason I remember he resigned you're coming on the show. I would say the number one reason I enjoy code on the show. Now, crack staying is you stand up. Listen to laugh and that's enough. Baby baby strapping John right scene to kind of funny dot com. Slash KFI GD and says, are folks in the video game industry a little out of touch. Recently. There's been a lot of talk about developers unionizing and fighting against crunch in managers and investor expectations when it comes to the hours that are worked well, it is true. The hours are long office. Arrogant are extremely important. It seems too little to unionize over. I'm a scientist working factory producing diagnostic tests, my colleagues, and I work with many infectious diseases and need to put in double time for a week, at least once a month to meet customer needs. While there are federal laws and regulations, OSHA excetera that provide the safest possible work environment. We are not unionized. I have a tough time listening. I have a tough time listening and relating to people who spend lots of time in fairly safe work environments while they complain about the amount of work that is demanded of them. I love video games, movies and all entertain. And have the utmost respect for the artists and technicians that make them possible. But it does not seem that any entertainment piece is worth anyone putting that much extra time and effort into while manual Labor's factory workers and emergency service providers work overtime constantly. Why are programmers developers and other office workers in entertainment complaining. Mr. Witter. Yes. You cross you work on both sides of this one in terms of Hollywood, you're in. I mean the right is killed writers skill. Sorry, my apologies. I that makes sense. And then obviously, video games, you see this firsthand in terms of crunch and everything else. What's your takeaway from John's right in here? Is the video game industry out of touch? Well, I would I I would suggest that he's looking at this entirely the wrong way rather than saying, why? Why should these people union unionized? I'm not unionized. He should say, well, why don't why all unionized? He should be unionized as well. If he's working long hours, doing dangerous work and lots being demanded of him. Why shouldn't you be protected by unions? You have to remember, I come from the UK. There's a big union culture and an unions or a big of the of the workforce. I know that there's been a starkly it's been a big part of the American kind of work culture as well. Definitely construction. Like my dad's a union crane on a move afoot, s- in America and around the world to make unions go away because they don't see unions make life more difficult for the. That was that was a big when I worked at WalMart in the late nineties. I remember that was a huge thing that they were terrified of is unions. And if somebody came to talk to you about a union, you're to report it to your manager and they'd be thrown up security kind of the whole reason why union exists unions exist because no one looks out for the little guy because the big powerful rubber barons at the top can do what they want. They can abuse workers, they can. They can garnish wages they can do what kinds of terrible things to them. They could abuse them force them to do what kinds of horrible things. And what are you gonna do well get the sack if you don't wanna do it. Just go on a job somewhere else only by collectively coming together and finding the strength in numbers that unions give you, do you have any kind of ability is it's hard for one one factory worker. One video game developer one, whoever to be complained, be the squeaky wheel and actually make change in reality what it be a lot in that everybody but insidious and whatever they get rid of that person, right. It's a fire will state or wherever you're going. Whereas if it's union, it is this collective bargaining agreement. We've all come together. In every in every situation, someone has to be the normal way. Right? And it's very, it's valley field. If you didn't. When she played among fiction. Someone has to be the normal rice. Someone has to stand up and say enough is enough. We should get together and organized. Yeah, and I do believe that the video game industry should be organized and you know, I wasn't here when when you covered the when the storage up the other day, the Dan, how's that the rocks show? Who was he said? So the lines of say, which was that was extraordinarily time deaf not only to say but to adhere to. And while you know, woke at one hundred, you know, this is going to be good because we're working a hundred hours a week on it. The red and the same thing. How telltale people often prioritize the product over the people? Well, tell tell tell China's going bust. Oh no. What about my game? Fuck you'll game. What about the two hundred and fifty people that just lost their livelihoods? No longer have any health insurance. So those are the people that I care about. I gotta say as much as I feel like a hypocrite to be on because I'm going on this rent. I'm still gonna buy red dead. I'm still gonna play it because I'm weak and I have to have that game. I just have to have that game. The idea of not playing red dead is on fathomable to me. Sure. But at the same time. Time as much as excited for this game. This whole story about the crunch and the terrible working conditions has really left a tic- my mouth about it. I think I might actually enjoy the game a little bit less because of this. And so I guess the best I can do right now, I'm not going to boycott the game. I, I wish I had the strength to do that. The best I can do is come on the show on kind of bellyache about it. I do think is disgraceful. I mean, do you agree with any of this? What do you think. What you presented multiple options in this town you, we'd have a good discussion for you, right. So to John's point, I'll start there right? He talks about like, you know, they're not unionize. What's the deal? I hear you, John. I understand what you're saying. I understand that you work a very real job with very real consequences in this. I do feel your argument is flawed of nothing gets done. Nothing changes anywhere nobody can have good conditions because of anything. Then you know what I mean? It's never. I can't. You're gonna sit. There's always a worse situation than the situation you are. Somebody has an industry I feel is the solution is not to say, well, you shouldn't have that because I don't is actually what we should have it. And I think John actually put an interesting point here right when he's talking about how much those games in respects, everybody it does not seem that any entertainment piece is worth anyone putting that much extra time and effort into in that John is where you hit the nail on the head for what you're arguing against. Right? It does not seem that any entertainment pieces worth anyone putting that much extra time and effort into right. And if if these guys. In gals aren't unionizing if there isn't a collective, hey, we can't do this anymore. That doesn't change. What you're saying is you're saying the rational thing, John that, yes, there was a Reddit thread a kind of funny sub, Reddit thread that was talking about how we weren't vocal enough about this even in it comes up when we talk about it, but even then, I guess people were saying, we don't take enough of stance. I don't by the way those sirens aren't aren't. I don't necessarily agree with, but to be clear, I agree with John and the sentence. It does not seem that any entertainment pieces worth anyone putting that much extra time and effort into. I don't want right and the. I don't see my developers not get see their children grow up sleep, their desks work, one hundred hour weeks. Do all these crazy fucking things for extended horrible, crazy periods of time. I don't care. The game can be later. I can wait longer and I feel like we're seeing a pivot in the industry to wear the audience is starting to save at, but how do you communicate that message was then jumps back to what you're saying? What gets interesting when we brought up at the red dead thing was we already had the not retraction clarification statement then from Dan Houser that he gave Aegean eventually gave Qatada which was like, I'm not saying everyone worked one hundred hours every week. I'm saying me and the other three writers worked at for what was it? Three weeks, not three hundred days or something of that affect. And we had a great discussion that on that show of, okay, that makes sense. But is that real? It's the same thing of if I'm working when I wanna work this week, we're not going to as many weeks off this year maybe for Christmas, right? And we're saying Kevin, stay home, but Kevin's Kevin wants to be here, of course, because the bosses are here and you sumit ROY. Star? Yes, it would be the same way right that. And then of course, a friend of the show jobs offer formally of telltale warmly of rockstar. He tweeted out and God. I saw games industry biz got a quote input into an article right of he was talking about like when he worked there, like in this is years ago for star years ago for telltale reason for delta, but for oxide it was like, no, no. We were all expected to be there Saturday and Sunday. And you wanna be house wanted to see everybody working the same thing. What is that like now, we don't know. Last thing we heard was the whole rockstar wives thing from the last red dead, right? Or was it I think it was last red dead kinda funny dot com slash room if I'm wrong, don't just say you're right. But where are we at now in? That's the big thing. And I know Jason schreier put out a tweet, right? And he's like, I've been working on this for a while. I'm working on getting an article of what it's like to work at rockstar right now, and that is interesting, but then it's snaps back to, okay. It's probably not great. It probably is a crunch situation, but what do we as the consumer doing that situation? Right? And I feel your pulled in so many ways. And I've talked about this before where you know what Williams wrote in his book about how much he liked crush thought good things came out of crunch. Crunch. Obviously, he's a thing for years, and I've been on tours back in the day like early gene where it was like, yeah, like for the show we have, we'd put mattresses back here during crunch time and do this stuff in. So there's this weird thing of. I don't know how you fight it from a consumer angle. The best I can say is yes, I want my developers and people who are making my games to be taken care of ethically, and I don't mind waiting and we all need to say that more and drive that fact. But I don't know if boycotting red dead is what. Would that number one have an affect number two. Would that message gets them? Number three? Is that what the people who were crunching would want to be? We're crushing who didn't agree with it, didn't like it right. Like I was talking about in this is not apples to apples at all. But at three when it was, I g n and we were writing things at three in the morning and still being in the war and not leaving the war. The last possibles I get like personally, I liked that. I knew what I was getting into. I was getting into the trenches. Here we go, but that was a contained week not a three month period of crunching and doing all I don't. It's a complicated thing that I feel the best solution is right now solving it from the developer side. And if that is unionization, if that is companies being very clear that we're not gonna do crunches, we're not gonna make her. I don't know, it's, it's too complex situation for me. Greg Miller industry pundit can suicide industry pundit right talking about what I like and don't. Like when I play video game to say from a business side of it, here's how it should be fixing what it should be. I think that this is another one of the situations loot boxes way. You can't rely on companies to self regulate. They're just not going to do it every now. And again, there's a company that makes a statement about what we don't do crunchy. You know, we employs decently great good for you. I love that more should be let you. The sad thing is that's never going to be the norm this long before Orquesta EA wives then went this. This has been going on forever crunchy been going on the thing again in the l. Patrick click over a way point has a great put a great piece in to this. That was like admitting that we in the industry needs the media side of the industry needs to do more about this. What he was saying was that this all stems from it was a variety article, right? Anybody anybody, the rockstar article wasn't variety, Kevin, bring up the way point article patch club about all this. I don't wanna. You're wrong. On this, but it was the oval church don't need it was vulture, vulture. Did the the interview, Dan Houser the six hour interview about this. This and clerics problem with it, of course, in his great peas away point or great. Look at all. This is the fact that the house brothers really don't do interviews is very rare to see them very so for them to get for vulture to get through the door and have his interview. Great. There's more pressure on you to be a great reporter, right? And clerics problem is that this we worked one hundred hour work week. We crunch one hundred hours a week on this. That was what was presented way there was being celebrated and it gets dropped and there's no follow up to what that means. Why are you doing? There was no questioning of that. If there was in the room, it didn't get put into the article. So it becomes not a puff piece, but that's how it comes off. Like, wait, you know, we, we know crunches a problem. We know hundred our our problem. Was this talk more about that? Let's do that and clinics point was that as in similar to what kind of the person on read it said, but in a different vein because that's not what we do is kinda funny, but whatever that we need to hold developers, publishers in companies more accountable for this. And if you get. That chance you ask them about that to continue to ask them and try to get the right thing and stress that that's not what the people want that are paying attention, how they're on. The thing about it is it's all pointless. Why? Why? Crunch? Why? So you can so you can hit us a date. Okay. Why do you need to hit that certain date while because investors and shareholders wanting the game to come out within a certain fiscal quarter financial year, whatever they say. It looks good on that balance sheet. He's not really worth it. Is that really worth the physical, emotional psychological relationship told this takes hundreds and hundreds of hundreds of people. I don't think so. Why not just say, you know what? Rather than working one hundred hour weeks. We're gonna work. You know, regular forty, fifty sixty hour weeks. Even that's long sixty hour week on the games is going to come out in March two thousand nineteen instead of October of this year. Wouldn't that be better? I mean, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you be happy to wait another six months? The game to come out? It's these games rockstar released its geological time. The the measurement over which rockstar releases games. It's years and years and years. I would happily six more months for this guy to come out. Amanda play knowing I'm not playing what is essentially the product of slave labor. I mean, not sure obviously is is is very hyperbolic way in, and that's my problem right now. Not my problem, but I do. I keep bringing up read it too, and it is this question of until schreier whenever somebody talks more, what is the situation over there? Is it this isn't as bad as it was before where we are with that because it does come down to, you know, for I know I'm I'm kind of funny such potatoes but just sick with him. For Dan Houser being like, no, no. For three weeks me in these three other riders crunched on the game for one hundred hours a week. Right. That sounds crazy. Gaba. Right. But like when kind of funny live comes around, Tim's up every night till, you know what? Kevin's five in the morning, five AM editing the packages than waking up and coming back in here, apples to oranges. I know. But stick with me of it is that thing of at some point there is a deadline in how do you mean and how do you reach it? And I do think we're talking about like delaying the game and this and the other, it sounds to me like this wasn't even that where it's just like we need the script locked by this date, which means that holy shit we need to do because needs to be perfect and we need to, yeah, there's project management and there's all these things, but with any creative endeavor, things take longer than they think they're going to be there fucking Ghostbusters world. Shoot. Should've taken an hour five yesterday. You know what I mean? Like I don't. I'm not over there and I'm not on that side of development. And I, I understand things changing shift and I don't. It's such a complex weird issue. I just want people take care of. I just wanted to be, but we're making. So the idea of betrayal there are, there are certain things that need to come out on certain dates because they line up with other things and I get that. But once you announce a date again, if imagine how different this story would have been. If the story had been this, Dan, how's? Oh, whoever comes out and says, as we as we were approaching the release of the game, it became apparent to us the only way to hit the toba twenty six, Toby twenty-six that we had previously announced was if we are employed through how we weren't willing to do that. And so we're going to regular hours. We're going to release the gaming macho right next year. Instead they would have been applauded to the rafters for making that shame who really cares. I, this other games to plan assassin's creed of all kinds of things right now I can white all whites. It's okay. I'll whites, but apparently now has come out with type of twenty six that apparently is more important than the physical amend wellbeing of hundreds of people may shits goal shit. I hear you. I agree. We just want to protect people. I really wanna play red dead. You really want your guy. Kimi? No, not waiting. Fucking knows is walking around him. I just, yeah, it's a, it's such a complex issue that I really that complex as the base of no at the base of it. I want people to be saying I want everybody to be okay, right? But then it just gets into this weird as it gets bigger and bigger and bigger of I, we keep talking with the red dead thing as if it is. We haven't on the record. They every hates. It was terrible. I don't know what really happened there. I know what I know what Houser said in the interview and what he said in his follow up. We haven't had the rockstar leak yet. Have all these other people come out. Right? That's that's coming though. Yeah, according to schreier. Right. And I'm but I wanna wait for that. I wanna wait for that and see what people on the inside are saying about it. What they felt like going to change people at people have known working side, Rockstars, willy, Wonka chocolate factory for years. We've done this. Here's my question. Then on top of that, is there a main? I mean, we just talked about asan's creed, right? Like was it was the Quebec City Ubisoft that made this thing where they like fucking hunky Dory the entire time, or did they crunch to in was. It wasn't as bad as this in, was it what do people think about that? And where does crunch come down anymore? Everybody has not at a different opinion. People don't wanna fuck him crunch and everything else, but it all comes together at the last second. That's what you always hear about. These is that complex. I'd rather push the date and then put employees through hell. I agree with that. So I hear you, I hear you. I hear you. I'm not arguing that I am one hundred percent in that camp. I just then it does come down to how do you do that and how do you not? How does that do? And I only know when we start talking about fucking shareholders and companies and all this shit. Like I don't know what your, I have no idea what that relationship is. I didn't go to business school and I only watched the HBO show succession, right? Like I don't. I, you know, I mean, how do you move date and who who at the end is response that the CEO this responsible for the stock price and whatever else. And I know. To shareholders. At some point if the problem whether didn't get pushed is someone has to go to take two. The house was say, look, we can't do it without without going into hell crunch. So we're just not going to do it and then take two guys gotta go to his boss, and then he's boss has to go to the shareholders and say, so remember we told you the, you know, you thousand eighteen financials. We're gonna look tremendous because you have this amazing game coming out, not so much anymore because we push until next month that wipes millions of dollars value of their balance sheet and shareholders, money, shareholders. All the shareholders can lose money, the super rich captains of industry at the very top. They cannot possibly suffer. No, no. The people at the bottom have to stop. Here's my thing to that argument. And this is why it's so funny to argue about this with rockstar, right? If that was the thing if I was if I went to the shareholders and say, hey, guys, we need to lay the game and they threw a fit. I'd be like, shut the fuck up. Are you kidding me? You see how much money GT online is making, you know, much people looking forward to read, did we leave his ten years? And you'll be fucking you're going to be ever so slightly less rich for now for Neffa for like five minutes, but could you possibly stomach to work. Howard, like if your money is not growing here, why haven't at this company? Like if you know what I mean? Like it's not. I know I totally talking about this is the problem in this is. Art mashing rotten to the core. That's the whole system is fun. Like people have goals set and deadlines have to be made to make that aside from like the business side of it, like we'd get upset like if red dead got delayed right now, even if they were like, oh, man, we don't wanna have crunch. People would get upset, really, really upset about it. Yeah. And the value of two k would go down and then that would affect what their next project is. Right. Isn't that how it works? People. The. This is how it works. I'm just saying how it works is fucked. That's all. Nominee ins. You remember about full years ago show when I say how great it was to have a nice positive show and we we ended up here in another big rent. Well, I mean, it's what's going to happen. Wrestling with something very serious right now of how do you be a profitable business, how to take care of your employees have more employees, but also take care of them to not stress them out in what you're talking about. The system being broken. You were talking about how a business structure in general's fucked right of and everything, right? It's also fucked in the way that our industry and I'm talking about the development side of video games has been crunch and do this forever, and that's how it is. That's how it's done. Adam. Boys, tweet it out in that got put in the clinic article that you know his first job. However, many years ago, they had a wall where they bragged kept like a scoreboard of who had the most hours in a week, and I think it was I'm quoting Brian wrong. Adam had one hundred thirteen hours in a week, and he was number three. He was. He wasn't even number. The only the only time the world has ever gotten better. Greg, when someone has accepted. Well, that's just the way is for an answer and here's my thing. Yes, we are at that moment. Now we're at this pivotal moment pivotal moment right now where it's happening, where people are fuck. Being mad about telltale in visceral and they're mad. They're mad when they even get a whiff of this might be what's happening as much as Rockstars trying to. No, no, that's not what really happened. People are like, no, no, no. Like, yes. When that article came out, there was so much blowback of like, whoa, this isn't something to celebrate this. And I think we're at that we're at turning point where or at least an actionable moment where, yeah, we can all sit there like, whoa, this isn't cool. Don't do this. Why would you this? And try to figure out a better way? It's just that it's been this way for so long. Both just straight up, hey, this business slash straight, hey, this video games get made. When you come in and be a developer, you were already crunching on. In Hollywood is ridiculous where the first major decision that gets made on a movie is that it's coming out and then he went back from that. And that's why oftentimes, movies rushed into completion because the date was set the date cont move. You know, it's because the dates in Hollywood. Do you want to be out for the holiday period? Everyone's competing of what movie is gonna open up on that date because Star Wars is coming up and we'll guys droid or whatever. I understand that it's still really annoying to me though. Why? Why? Why not just set the date. Once you deep enough into the project of a reasonable expectation, you can hit that date without putting people through hell then feel that is what happens. I feel like most, I mean, Rockstars delayed red dead before I feel like it is that you set that debut like we're going to be able to hit that, but then that becomes the deadline. And then you have you get to that thing of fuck we have more work to do before the deadline. We need to push for it. Right. And that's, and that's literally what crunches, right at crunch of fuck this. We're behind on this milestone. We need to hit this. We need to ensure that we have everything dialogue, complete, ready. To go. So the voice actors who booked on this day can get all the dialogue so we can move on which suggest you the only time that dates actually get pushed even when you go to maximum maximum hell crunch. Yeah, it's still not enough. Yeah, pushing because they don't want the employers to suffer the pushing the days because even with the employees suffering, they hit the date. Sure. That's the case. Yeah. Yeah, it's fucked here. I don't like it. I don't either but was doing a play red dead, right? So we hypocrites. No. I mean, like I think so. I think that's the answer, Tim crunches forever on kind of funny live, right? I know apples oranges, but I don't want that to be that people go, man, Tim shift to work that long. You guys should have been better project managements now. I'm not gonna watch funny live like I like I feel like it is a blood blood sweat and pixels of blood, sweat and tears going into these games, right? So that when it comes out, people do holy shit. The testicles on his horse change based on the temperature dynamic poop. People want to. If I, if I if I was fucking working on the tech for fucking horse testicles and I'm crunching on it for one hundred hours a week, you're God damn, right. I want to play like that. Is that point? I thought it was a good point is like I'm gonna say, well, I'm going to support you. I'm not gonna play you again. He's like fucking kill myself plate making this game. I would really like to play. Problem of this as I don't know. I'm not a discussion out your Iran, even. I'm sure you're on fire right now. I want you to go to kinda funny dot com slash GD and give me your honest reputation of what the right move is from a consumer side of it. I do think that it is the industry on the development side needs to change, and I feel like they are the only ones who can do that because they are the only ones who really know what it's like and what it feels like to be like. I fucking haven't seen my wife in a week. My husband and partner, I haven't seen my kid. Does that mean that you then go, fuck. I want you to send a message to them by not buying the game or by the game, but also really fucking sound. The ring the class on here and be like, hey, what are the bring the bells on the clocks, like, hey, this isn't right, and we don't want it this way. We certainly wouldn't work, especially with somebody as leviathan is red dead. You could organize the biggest possible Cosima boycott you the most effective Cosima boy. You could possibly organized it with a dent in red? Well, that's why I think it was so heartening to see the response to the vulture piece. The reaction on that since then has been like, whoa, fun. The correction was like instant. Yeah. The second that piece drops. It was. It was one of those things where you know sometimes when you catch up on Twitter and you see the reaction before you see people pissed about something. Oh, it's because of this piece. Mike, Twitter was on file all that. Not just click schreier and these guys, but like a lot of people dead. Some people have what's in other industries where they what crunch and they say, yeah, it's talk, it's dangerous. I just thought like imagined, blah, blah, whatever. Because in those dangerous, I don't know, don't fucking put your personal wellbeing and take meds and do like, no, I will wait for whatever game at us. Some people choose and you have to remember a lot of people doing it because there's like a galley master behind them with a whip, cracking the whip. It's because they choose to do this so committed to the project, and they don't want to let the side down there by choice not merely because they're afraid of getting fired if they leave at six o'clock. But then again, they they may. They may may or may not be aware of the damage that doing to themselves by being that committed. The thing is that it is what we were talking about with. All right. Let's say benefit of the doubt. Right? Because again, no, it's the, we have the two Hauser statements. Right? Let's say the second house statement is the truth. It was the four of them working hundred. Our work we, you know, that was the clarification that it was just him in the Laszlo and then the other two writers on it. Right. Let's say that's the case you're still in charge of rocks rockstar, right? Like there's a camaraderie there and then also of like, man, if he's working that hard, I, she worked at heart to. Right, and there's that guilt of your. You are all in this together and you are all on the same trenching you do you see someone stay late? You wanna stay late to do your thing and be there in like that support system. I don't know, man, it's a complicated complicated thing example when you're at the top, of course there's a lot of developers that crunch isn't a thing for Mahulette in with a question that we're not gonna get to do, do we need to celebrate devs that treat their staff? Well, the answer of course, is yet. He says, do you think any? Do you think it would in any way help if games median fan celebrated when companies do the right thing? For example, here in the UK media here in the UK media molecule often, both that they don't crunch it all because it's too nineties, of course, their games, they'll come out. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm can't true that where you put your and games industry is recently hosted awards for best employers in the industry where winters included rock steady for health and wellbeing in creative assembly best large company. I barely heard any of this mentioned in games media. I like that too. The incentive approach, we made a bigger deal vs things. Would it make employees and employers alike give these areas more attention instead, I feel like some of these companies get stick for taking get shit. You means for taking so long to release their games when in reality, maybe that's just how long these things should take. Yes, again, that's a great year first off, right that, yeah, we didn't mention this on here, slip through the cracks me obviously in terms of that. But then again, well, no, we talk about a words on here. That's just me fucking up again. This is a great way to remember if you don't see your story on here. You go to Iran. Now the best ways kind of funny dot com. Slash KFI GD for us to do it. But yeah, I mean, I did give me a molecule ship. I am of course friends a lot of people. They're just giving them shit, but that's, that's the worst. It's going to happen. You can either have this thing, whereas this rubber band, like, do we, what do we do bubble or you get a joke every so often your game takes them both of which would go away if things change and get go different way. Yes, we need to celebrate people who do it right. It's what you're talking about. It's nice to have good news. We should probably, but it's, of course that a lot of times news is trying to call attention to things that need to change. I digress. I would like to see the woods for like most positive work environment or whatever. You know. And that's not something that you can then put on your company resume as as a badge that helps you recruit those people. One hundred percent, the top talent has choice going wherever they want. They want to go to places they get treated like shit, you wanna go to places because I have a badge say, look, we torture three years in a row. Now, the company that will taught you, the least. Oh, thank you. Great. Time squad up. 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Game Scoop Episode 565

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Game Scoop Episode 565

"This episode of Game Scoop is brought to you by riot games makers of League of legends Jian Games does that. Mean you already started recording record. Now you have any F bombs you when I get off your chest. Yeah happy Friday. What's up against group? David Hatfield joining me. This is Justin Davis Group. Tina Amini. It's Friday now and SAM clayborn. What's up everybody skeleton here cartel go? It seems like maybe he's involved in another epic battle potato. FBI Ricardo or skeleton. He's been potato D- His face on a potato. Maybe this is his way of regenerating a new body. He's just starting something seems different. I'm not sure I can't wait for those religious French fry fingers. It's so salty we've got a great show for this week we're talking about the future of Rockstar. Talk about a couple very interesting Classic Asa Game Collections. That we just found out about but I some housekeeping gamecube coming to Pax East this month later this month. Seventy seventy five percent of your favorite Omega cops. We'll be there and attendance myself and San. We'll be there what it depending on what you think of me. Maybe one hundred percent of your favorite not. Please please don't say the part of Justin Davis will be played by Seth macy. I will not be at the show. But we're always happy to have seth that's still brings brings us Tony Sixty percent because I don't think we're GonNa have a potato there. I mean unless you bring her out always here. I'm not asking you all to bring potatoes. Please do that now. Our panel is B. Y. O.. P. We cannot provide everyone potatoes. Our panelists Saturday February twenty ninth. which definitely makes us a one of a once in in a lifetime event? It's a leap scoop. Our panelists seven thirty pm Saturday evening in the dragonfly theater. It's one of the good theaters and so the stater theater you're GONNA if you're coming to pact's please join us and then I think we're also gonna be live streamed on twitch so you can also if you're not gonNA make it. We can still spend your Saturday evening. Oh cool watching us. I'll go into the comments cool. Yeah and you know we normally don't do the show live so we might screw up a little bit. Yeah you want to see all the US amazing editing that we always put into this show. I'm only takes US seven hours to film the scoop every week. No F. bombs allowed. No bombs are allowed daring courage. There I don't I don't know who to believe Most our chief okay. So we're against that packs this month and then also just launched a new show called next Gen Console Watch twenty twenty hosted by myself and with a couple all of our Playstation and XBOX experts Jonathan Bush and Ryan. McCaffrey so weekly show. You can check it out. Every Friday goes live at eight. Am Pacific when you by the time you hear this episode so there will be two episodes released so far so any show for this game scoop happen and then console watch happens after it happens. We know happened. You put up games and when it goes live he wins usually usually live on Friday. Okay so there are eleven the same day so watch both because the roth hosted by Damon and they both have a lot of things and he says things very similar to his lines on Game James Goop but not quite literally watching Gamecube right now. That's true and you can imagine the Rim because she does a lot of the production work for that very involved okay. Let's get into this week's topics. Speaking of watching next Gen Consoles Phil Spencer head of xbox had an an interview this week reiterate of a wall of sound different. Different Different Phil but Phil Spencer has has revealed. He does not believe Sony and Nintendo to be his main competition anymore instead. He's looking towards Amazon and Google for their cloud infrastructure structure that they're developing areas. That's obviously Nintendo and Sony Not really been able to invest in his actual quote is when you talk about Nintendo and Sony we have a ton of respect for them but we see Amazon and Google as the main competitors going forward. What a lucky this at at Nintendo and Sony I think it's Loida gets a Baloney Baloney quote? I promise you. They spend so much time talking about Sony Amazon Plus I think it's I think it's more so when you you stand back and look at the overall context I think they're thinking about themselves as Microsoft and not bucks in that moment because it's more promotional towards their other products that they're working on And how that integrates and plays along with the with the xbox And even the site that ran the story if you read the story. It's all the way at the bottom that this quote is under it's called Politico Licko not politico politico protocol. It's called Protocol are owned by politico. which is a lot more of a mainstream site? So they're not even when they're doing these sorts of interviews. They're not thinking about the audience of Gamers as they are by standards are looking at them. As politico more mainstream business oriented standards notice. You can always tell. It's a mainstream outlet it when the first three paragraphs are an introductory initiating video games. Yeah video no longer boys play. They actually make a lot of money. The hungry little monster. Pacman all growing interest. Forty billion dollars. Hungrier I see I see it very much as a consul award. DIG Like I don't think about you at all. Yeah intendo says the same an ankle so are we don't care with Nintendo. It's kind of true like like Xbox I I really love my xbox three sixty in own and enjoy my xbox one but they're in third place they're in last place of course they think about playstation all the time so of Nintendo's Knows only concerned about Nintendo and Microsoft is focus on other things we need Sony. Remember like we're GONNA take Microsoft Microsoft Down Sony's just waiting for Microsoft. Apparently that's that's not actually international. I'm waiting for waiting for Sony to say that. Like Uber is their main competitor. Fills actually continues. That's not to disrespect Sony but the traditional gaining pump companies are somewhat out of position. I guess they could try to recreate Asher. But we've invested tens of billions of dollars allies in cloud over the years and what's Azur that's Microsoft's cloud infrastructure and say the penned a deal with Sony to say that they were going to be collaborating together so it seems like for the greater good in terms of good. Yeah yeah sure. Sign a technological level you not know it. Sounds like you're right that he's speaking about Microsoft generally and not xbox certainly I imagine they're looking at twenty twenty schedules thinking we're GonNa make these announcements for Microsoft is GonNa make these announcements for Xbox so let's make sure we're one big happy family where everyone's working together there to make sure that it's like one cohesive environment this is just excel versus docs is what we're talking. Yeah exactly excel dockside that Sony and Microsoft signing deals to talk about cloud gaming no like so you know it was Microsoft's thing and they say that good Google Patent Okay. Google spreadsheets. Whatever that's cheats? That's anybody that's really serious. Knows us all about excel though. Now I got some Google sheets fan boys in my mentions. You know you can do everything if we're GONNA TAKE WE'RE GONNA take Phil's comments at face value It's because these companies that are investing in in cloud infrastructure. Believed that in the future. They'll they'll be able to deliver games to anyone with an Internet connection. It won't require an expensive box that you buy runs in a different way to pay for those things. It's subscription shift in service or some other version of payment which is not you know sending out discs which is again like a really good future proofing strategy. Yeah provided that the world has the greatest Internet posture for every single person. All the time but these companies Microsoft Amazon and Google haven't been investing in that tech and Sony Nintendo aren't. Why do you think your subtle and didn't mention apple their biggest longtime competitor? I mean Google is to just don't know what apple is doing for cloud probably. Why do they have cloud well? Apple has in. It's actually in this article. Apple has sort of contentious relationship with gaming in his blocked. A lot earlier is on the APP store. Yeah so there's there's a lot of sort of bad blood between that kind of Lincoln there about. Ah Steve Jobs. Hating apple is the latest well not latest but one of a number of companies that sort of backed into becoming a video game company right like they launched APP store and Lo and behold they were in the video game business without realizing it and it's like the biggest part of their their income JAP story income. Yeah millions of dollars Fills final part of the quotas. I don't want to be in a fight over. Format wars with those guys sewn into in Tondo while Amazon Google or focusing on how to get gaming to seven a billion people around the world ultimately. That's the goal. I Love Format wars though. HDTV D do you remember the. Yeah was it. The was that that verse Blu Ray box three sixty one and then xbox online themselves with HDD Media Anna. How many contoured xbox little buddy yeah that was achieve targets would have both shelves like a Blue Wall in an HD DVD wall? It was crazy. Yeah so is that true for xbox three sixty it has a separate player. Yeah we were always like contoured like a miniature. That was such a bad. The piece was a blue. Obviously Veasley that six hundred bucks. That's true wisdom. That was the catch all right. Let's Rondo of blood. It's called the after the good fight. Yeah heels again after the good excite game over Rockstar co-founder one of their head writers or their head writer. The lead writer Dan Houser is leaving Rockstar. His brother Sam houser will remain in place at the head of the company CO founded the company. Yeah so lead writer on Jayjay. Five redemptions All basically everything that leads creators Rockstar. Yeah since I rock star was formed ninety eight I want I saw this was in including space station. He's looking valley and body harvests DNA. Designs Yeah so going back to that but which I know. There's other grand theft auto games from that time that they're just not the three D. ones right at the top ones. Yeah I think he wrote all of them. As far as I know yeah as far as I know to the definitely twenty two years at the head of one of the leading entertainment companies in the world creating reading ultimate leading up to five which is the biggest entertainment thing that's ever been released into the world's quite a career does what does this mean for the for Rockstar. Now is this an end of an era or will things continue as normal. It's certainly an end of an era. Just the Hauser brothers like. That's such a big deal. That's such a part they're history. I mean his title is even Vice President of creativity. I think so and I think that speaks more so it's sort of silly title. I mean titles are silly in general sometimes but I think that speaks to he sets or both the brothers Set the standards. They set the style the tone they set the culture the company and obviously there's been criticisms around rockstars work culture church so this may be for the good in some ways maybe for the baton some others obviously those games are not just written by him. There's plenty of the writers Working in tandem. So there's it's just a different probably sequence of executive standards that they're going to be operating towards It's always amazing when people are at a single game company for that long because the game kind of development cycle and how how things work means the studios are coming and going all the time. Let alone the people and like I. I've talked about this before. the retro sure studios is basically not Retro Studios. Everybody that I liked that made Richard Prime went onto make pill for and a and a bunch of other games at different places. And so you know it. It was amazing that Rockstar kept that core and I think bio ware had that for a long time with the doctors tax and so when that dissolves. It's hard to Z.. Where company goes from there? But this is you know one of a pair of people who became known for these Games and one still there. Yeah who guessed that like the Guy That wrote body harvests twenty years later written red. Deborah Adams Amano doing final fantasy are like one of the greatest living illustrators of all time like did you know that that's what you had in the eighties when you're making final fantasy one for sure. I guess Dan took a leave of absence in early. Twenty nineteen so. He hasn't really been there in a year. So there's definitely a read on this like red dead head to was very publicly. A challenging project for them right took a longtime took a lot out of the company and presumably the people personally. The game came out. He took a long leave of absence. Didn't didn't want to come back to the Reid is just like Nah. I'm good like went onto real horses. And then there's also I'm paraphrasing the quote now. Tina maybe you might remember better than me but like gts six like the world is so insane now anyway the real world that like how you know what. And how do you pare down like that that line that GTS has always walked between being satirical and just outrageous like they gave some quote about like. We don't even know how we make a in. You know in the year two thousand twenty th that quotes now but like. I'm purely speculating. But it's easy to imagine the wrapping up the next project like maybe that's on was on his mind in two and they finished with. It's time for table tennis. Nobody put that part in the twenties and there is time for people in the twenties again. Yeah we're in the roaring twenty S. I Bet table. Tennis is pretty popular in the in the Nineteen Twenty S. That's probably true. You know we don't know what rockstars doc stores next game is. Yeah I think there's no like ought to worship I associate with the those brothers necessarily I've covered the those games long. It's a huge lift for so many different artists and so many different writers and everything I think Rockstar is GonNa make great games. That's different for them. Like Kojima leaving Konami and people kind of losing losing confidence in metal gear games right like it's an industry right like that's a machine is going to continue. Making came for naval is preferred our to be not on the in the forefront. Not on the spotlight. Because they'd like to advocate Rockstar. Games is what's making these games not Not The hauser brothers. They don't make that sort of moniker monitor so you would think that they would have hired and trained people in accordance to the same creative values that they have so we'll see doubtedly making games right now. What would you guess is? Is the next release from REX. Games Scott to be. GTS Six and five years right. Well it's announced in five years releases intent as well as him. I'm I'm going with space. Game Justice Space Game Smugglers title game smugglers smugglers run could easily base game. It sounds like a space game. It'd be mutual it has to be six even though we were just talking about the challenges of making that in this in in what are they gonna do not not make GDP counterpoint. Come on. Come on I know. They're going to get all up in that says forthcoming switch. Switch now with extras right. Yeah like the deal. Did you play that one. Yeah I didn't care for that one. which almost a third? The third is the one. That is their fifth one. Or is the focus US slanderous called get out of Hell is the fourth one the superhero. One Yeah I didn't play that one. Yeah did you review it. No okay three very very much serious. Great through scrape blue on music double dragon and Very surprising classic collection was announced. This week that's coming in like fifteen days the Double Dragon and Kunio Kun Retro Brawler Landell. Fifteen days I didn't see that part of this as long as it's out this month. It's a collection of the three double dragon. NASA Games the Kunio Kun Games are on Eso renegade super dodge ball river CD ranch ransom and crashing the challenge and then eleven FAMICOM Games. Kunio Kun famicom Games river city ransom shared universe. That were never localized localized. So now games like Nikkatsu Street basketball all out dunk heroes cool all out. Yeah surprise Nikkatsu new records the distant gold medal. And everybody's favorite. Go Nuts you hockey club slip and slide madness. Slow Olympic game won a hockey basketball one. Oh yeah call jared petty make sure he's okay the thing that ties these characters together. Is that the kind of like potatoes. That's just like there's a there's a there's a super deformed kind of look to them more. They're all like little Oh chunky characters and they all have like really thick little No necks and like little heads and stuff. It's very funny. And that's like a cross games on your kid. WHO's very confusing? That there is like super dodgeball by different company Than Double Dragon. And there's ever seen ransom. That wasn't double dragon. They all had these little cute characters with super deformed faces it's great. Yeah I'm well. There's not enough games in skeletons in them. That's true well. Technically any game with a person has a skeleton and he can't I can't see it. Wow essential there's a little skeleton and all of us. Yeah it's skeleton skeleton in this game well. Damon is Uh yes disappointed. But I'm just bummed out that it's the aspirations Because I've I've played the line but I'm actually not like I'm not sure. Yeah I've ever played double dragon arcade only familiarity. Pretend I was gonna say they just added battlefields. There's no big deal. Those Games are there no which I have to imagine. It's a licensing licensing issue because Microsoft owns that property. Now so what are these. Are they all brawlers. Are they different genres of games. I think some of these convinced panic home games like sports games like Super Dodge balls. How's The sports here and World Cup? Soccer was a famous those on any S. Yeah really it's funny. They're like really well thought out. Games like Super Dodge balls great but it's also Very choppy like. It's super hard to play. And they put too many things on screens. Everything flickers constantly and I used to be able to accept that now I look at. It doesn't look great. I wonder if some of that yeah I mean. They are localizing putting the time to localize. He's great aim so and this is like nineteen or twenty games total. It's eighteen game. Eighteen Games tweet. We know it costs. I Dunno costs offhand but Feb twenty four and switch. I don't know why there's not an xbox version because battlefields because it's eight almost too many fewer fewer games. It's crazy anyway. I'm looking forward to checking those out. Also coming up over the next couple of months. This is the turbo graphics. Sixteen many everybody is very very excited for this. I happen to notice that the ESRB rated the turbo graphic scene. Sixteen many A recently and gave this this classic collection of Early Nineties Games on M. for mature share. It's got that demon pinball in it doesn't it. I'm assuming I don't even. I don't know happy. Would you have been at twelve to be like. Oh Yeah Mature Games finally and AH in thirty years later they'd be called that these Games from nineteen ninety to ninety two. Maybe ninety three and you have to be seventeen years old to buy this thing. Thank you definitely have to be a thirty seven years old. I appreciate so yeah. That's true. Yeah there is no. There is no thirteen year old on earth. That's bummed down that they can't I understand this and if you are please. Write Gamecube Edgy. Dot Com similar. Send us a potato. Here's the summary of why a a-rated the turbo graphics sixteen many infrastructure. This is a collection of turbo graphic. Sixteen titles that include platforms shooters playing games and visual novels. Most Games contain moderate violence violence involving cartoony weapons or players punching and kicking enemies one game depict several murder crime scenes with corpses lying pools of blood. A dog is also briefly shown with exposed entrails. A handful of cut scenes contain more intense instances of violence a characters arm ripped off a man's head exploding into blood and bits of flesh a robots face melting off a handful of sequences quences depict female characters with exposed breasts and buttocks. So I guess it's snatcher. Is this the one game. That Kajima game is snapchat. Yeah I didn't know that the the one Kajima game got this whole thing in from your. Wow that's really cool. That's interesting their first of all that's at I didn't know that there is a also like melting robot in there which I just feel like there's the sex in the violence but like wait who cares about cares faces melting now so it must be like sicker medal. Yeah our robots people derive skeletons. They have skeletal frames so skeleton. Yeah well twelve. Different skeleton isn't like in like a like a like a cyborg. The robot is the skeleton. Yeah right like the Terminator I guess Syrupy is getting at. Is this existential question. If a robot is indistinguishable from a human in space melts off is still worth reading. That's like every video game in combat. That's a the movie do you feel bad for. What's his name to the bottom of the pool movies too boring boring so by the movies a real stinker? You actually happy to see. Their faces melted off all right well. I can't wait to play my M. rated collection of of Turbo Graphics. Six hundred seventeenth birthday exposed trails. I mean yeah but it's like how many pixels are you actually looking at. How many any pixels? Hey speaking of pixels. Let's hear what we've been playing and I know I think a lot of us have been playing nineteen eighty X. Some of US finished it. It's not me not me. Though I got to the fourth of five little mini games that are included. Who can summarize what nineteen eighty-six is so it is is a retro styled coming of age story where you play through chapters looking into Reference Referential Arcade Games Games? Is that a good way of putting it. Yes so there's like a story that's told really beautiful pixel art yeah an amazing music and really music and it looks. It's automatically so pretty pretty an breaking that up actual gameplay is because you watch those and cut scenes and then the game play is like a knockoffs knockoff. Outrun a knock off of maybe should not obi type games but as fast as the game. I know it's called the Ninja. Something with the three screens up a warriors Ninja Warrior is that was. That's another slow on or you Walker rescreen screen into game but yeah that's the that's the one I was thinking about that when you don't move veneer anyway there's those and then there's like a first person Pc Dungeon crawler and each of them though like has like little modern twists and they look really pretty and again like none of them could be actual old games the way too pretty to be old games but but they have similar. Save if states where you go level by level in very difficult and there's no instructions. Renamed Games is very confusing. What some of the meters do and stuff like that? That's part of figuring it out. Then the whole package is pretty short. It takes like an hour and change to play through the whole thing. Yeah it's like it's totally episodic which I didn't know going into it. Yeah well I don't I don't know if I call it episodic but in the end who's beaded here. Okay you're right you're right so this is only the first part. There's another upset intended. It doesn't have any conclusions Basically introduces all the characters does do anything with them. All right so this should be a homerun of Daime game but my problem so that so I first of all the the Pixel art is incredible in absolutely beautiful game. Sometimes you feel like you're watching a pixellated cartoon and not only does it. Draw Alex You keep talking knowledge of drawn pixel but just things with lighting around this pixel so it's like if it shows a cityscape. One of the most beautiful cityscape seen any game. Ever it'll it'll show like a Real blooming lighting coming out of each window and then it kind of renders it seems a little bit or has like so much that you can barely tell. It's not like this amazing three d construction traction until you see like the edges of the most boring seen will theoretically where it's suburbia and the sun is rising or setting and it looks like the most gorgeous thing despite being like what let it just described with sound really born. That's what you stick site like. I think we all started. Oil played a lot of games. This sixteen bit generation like to be exciting. Just to see like a splash screen of pixels souls. That looked really amazing. Like just like the simplest cut scene or the end of the game the game. You should just be like a cool picture you know so. It's still thrilling to see that game but so the art is amazing but none of the Games. I thought were very interesting. That they're all really simple and shallow pretty dull But to be fair I only played through fourth and the fifth and final one is the dungeon and crawler which actually looks like it might be the most interesting so I don't know about that. So the Games are just kind of like nothing to me and then the whole life story trapping is just like so slow and ponderous under US and it takes itself so seriously and like there's like all this like dead space in between like different scenes and games and it's either like the game is taking a really long time to load road which seems strange but it's not that it's like the creators are you know planned in the space because they want they want you to like really like take it all in. Let's take our time with the story or even though this character is just like the most stereotypical angsty teenager. That's just like I wish. Sometimes I just want to get in a car and drive live over her eyes and say goodbye. Everyone leave my life behind become somebody new. It's all gone. I probably my favorite thing you've ever done. It didn't work for me. It is really navel-gazing and I sort of liked where they were going with. So there's a racing game and I really like the real game especially because once that chapter ends it kind kind of seamlessly goes into a cut scene where you're still driving. But it's not part of the challenge anymore it's just part of being embedded in the cut scene So that stuff works. But then yes the navel-gazing parts where it's it's like. Oh there's this like `gate-keeping going on with games and like this is only for me and like I'm part of the cool kids now and I don't know that that sentiment really resonates by today's Standards Anders where it's gotten a lot more mainstream it they. There's nothing to this game either. It's like it's the most shallow introduction of characters. They introduced like a like a girl in high school. Who has a leather jackets? This is the coolest because she's or you're smoking just back in the game. Does He. Next episode locate the main character kid goes then everything changed when I met whatever her name is and then you never hear about her. So that's probably what the vision of the game is is like you know five times as is big as this and that would be really cool like once if other episodes come out and you get Michael Back then you have like maybe twenty even Mediocre Games with five. I'm great ones in there. And then like you know the whole story told like I can see this being really cool but it's still has a problem. I think of maybe translation and maybe goes Asian Hyphen. And it's just like the. The English is not well written. It's just not. There are a lot of lines straight up repeated. Yeah there's repeated lines and then there's just like the you know the the the common teenage cliches that you hear that they're just kind of like they just wash right over here. That have any meaning the only way I know I. I've heard from some of our fans out there in facebook group People enjoying this and I think our own pair Schneider like the game a lot but didn't quite work for me but just in. What have you been playing something when we're applying any Getting any retro chievements I play Ring Fit yes still playing ring fit gone strong. It's that game. I'm talking about this little bit. It's both more of an RPG she and more of a workout than I expected You play the game a lot like I think I played it fifteen evenings and then it was like oh by the way you're earning skill points. Now there's a few to put skills in my it's still it's still like a mocking systems. And all the enemies in the game are color coded like they're blue or yellow or red breath and then that's or green is the other one and that's corresponds to different like upper body workout so lower body workouts or yoga poses or core workout route so it's sorta cycles through like you're going to be squats now you're going to. Do you know overhead arm presses or ABC coaches and all these different things. How many brings you got through? I don't know man Did you break the. I've heard some people claim that they think the story is really really good like they're interested in seeing what it comes. Next story is garbage. Like you work your way through world than you fight this bad guy drago. And then he says like it's like something in the eighties is like I'll I'll get you next. I and then he flies away to the next world but still doing it almost every evening. Everyone that used to be the plot of every video saying blot hello wide squats last night. So feeling sore Good should take some videos. I I want to see you doing halloween. There's no role for the show. Just I make sure I close all the shades in my living room. There's this is the children in their bedrooms. As you don't do that then he'll have to animate that for the show and that's just a lot of work for him and as everyone has seen on YouTube. My animation skills are Jeff's kiss. Let's move on the two thousand twenty season of the North America's official League of Legends Professional. The League continues this Saturday at two PM Pacific Five. PM Eastern at Watch Dot L. E. Sports Dot com come see the best teams in North America. Battle it out as they look to take first place. In the standings new Washing League we've got you covered. LCS hosts and analysts will break down all the big plays and team strategies and since the latest game update rise of the elements. That's that's huge. Map and buff changes for players to adapt to the casters. Will make sure you have a good time while you learn to follow the action. Plus it's a whole new show Monday night league or two of the best matches of the week. We'll take place during prime time Monday night. Starting at five thirty Pacific eight thirty eastern Monday night league showcases the Best League of legends talent in North America come see legendary teams like Tsm. I'm team liquid and cloud nine. Go ahead with new arrivals. Like fly quest one hundred thieves and reborn dignifies catch the Game Saturdays at two PM Pacific Sundays at noon and Monday. Night League League at five thirty PM AT LL SPORTS DOT COM twitch or youtube again that's washed up. LLC SPORTS DOT COM TWITCH DOT TV slash LCS or YouTube dot com slash L. O. L. E. Sports for Saturday Sunday and Monday. Night League action. We are in a new month which means they can only mean one thing. It's a classic Gaming magazine. Yeah I know what's the matter. We thought we branded what happened for the next up. We're going to try to get a second laptop Well didn't we figure something out last time so everyone can see. Yeah we've seen anything. How Sam can't see anything everyone's Gonna be able to see? We're not going quite as far back as we normally do this time. Now we have a two thousand eight issue of game pro MHM with gears of war two on the cover. which would they claim to be the best xbox through sixty game my brain was just about five years ago? Are Your job. That was it reviewed in that issue. No it's previewed in this issue. The best experts game ever years four to November nine or two thousand eight to should have come out this month but yeah they don't actually review it here Here's war to the best xbox game ever they play we got nice two page spread on it through to two thousand eight eight. Okay Yeah Saints row two so we haven't even gotten to the third one. We were just talking about earlier. I worked the STRATEGY GUIDE FOR GEARS OF WAR. Two I guess back then. Game Pro opened up magazine with screen shots of various games so that was two thousand eight game play. So here we've got is going to say dead. Let's base which was out in two thousand two thousand eight. I was already around. You know already making old into this year so surely if you're working at a magazine you know putting screen shots at the front of your magazine Must Be Scratching Your Chin by now being the What do you mean like the Youtube exists? Two thousand. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah it's working. Maybe these exclusive no. I don't I'm not I'm not bragging. I'm magazines I actually grew up with them and was a AH work on a few times before gene and it was awesome and some of the content and amazing but lack conveying visual information. And it's like it's not. It's not construed that so we've got screen shots of dead space left for dead mirror's edge to human fabled to and then a couple of interesting ones legendary. Does anyone remember now it. Does anyone remember Game Cock the publisher. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. That was a game cock game the premises master's escape from Pandora's Box. And you have to fight the monsters maybe teaching aging gave it a three three three and then this game. That's an awful velvet assassin. Yeah it's a three sixty three game that wasn't published by Bethesda. I think I don't maybe I didn't give that one a five games. I don't even remember it. Wolfenstein Damnation Sonic unleashed far. Cry To you infinite. and that's the wear hog one. That's unleashed yeah. He has stretchy arms. Infant undiscovered was when they're trying to make Japanese RPG's work on xbox And then there's an ad for Prince of Persia the sort of like the reboot of version with a nice quote assure. Contender for game of the year. Aegean Nice that person version Damon. I really liked that. Prince knows me knows that Hillary was that the last one. That's the last Principia game. I think no there's like that was the F- I after time in that poll. Yeah that was really pretty. Game almost CEL shaded. Yeah that was great. Really underrated underrated an interesting at here for this is a third party controller. That's meant to be for. We wear games. So that's an ad from two thousand eight or nine. That's AH trying to make it says. Ask Your parents were held. Oh 'cause they're trying to do a retro game. Because virtual console was becoming a thing in the wireless third party controller to play Flay Y. You know you're aware games and virtual console games on there. Why are you specifying? Only we were just we game right virtual console but it's for the Classic Games a classic style controller that was the whole idea of him There's a feature on the Max Payne movie. That was just coming out. And then there's a little sidebar whereas Max Payne three free this is two thousand eight wind and Max Payne three come out. It was like two years later. I think eleven this says with Max Payne series developer remedy hard at work on. Its New Game Alan wake back. There hasn't been a trickle of news regarding Max Payne three in quite some time. But that doesn't mean it's not on the horizon take two announced a sequel. A Max Payne to back in two thousand four but remedy has told other sources that it will not be developing the third game. So where does that leave. Max Payne Three. We're not entirely sure. But considering the success of the series you can bet it will see the light of day eventually so they didn't know it was gonNA income from Rockstar. Max Payne three cigarette ashtray between our desks. Yeah that's what we react cigarettes work I have yeah. I have one to Australia and New York though. I think there's a lighter with something for it to gain proud. It was just the bullet. That's it that's right it it's just a game has a feature called sucks or rules. And then they have three things that suck and through things. That rule and the tagline is changing the world. One insult at a time time. Okay so I the sucks. They get the sucks out. The way sucks endless. We shortages for the third year running into warned consumers and retailers. That there may not be enough hardware to satisfy disfie- demand sucks rage on the XBOX. We Sixty John karmic warns that unless Microsoft stopped charging a fee to allow publishers to spread a game across three discs. Wchs Rachel be compressed onto only two resulting in graphical artifacts not seeing on the PC or playstation three versions. I don't remember that being a thing I don't either and it's funny to think of that as being Alexa big upsetting moment and games well it would be a big thing if the if the three sixty version of rage this begin pretty sure it was on one disc I mean I don't remember I don't remember if it was on multiple distant. That was a weird era. Miss a thing this. It's back now. It's weird sucks games and religion. Some blowhards who happened to be atheists theorists are up in arms because the residents of will Wright's spore take-up religion during the civilization stage of the game proving that it's not just fundamentalists nut jobs who need a constructive. Hobby quite some commentary. Yeah this is printing touching that one David all right. Let's rule this show positive. Rules playing in harmony. Sony managed to hammer out a deal between activists and harmonic economic to ensure that off or to ensure that different instruments work with different games on the PS three. Oh right so remember that problem. Yeah so if you you have a rock van kidding leading entire hero. He said that's why we're all the guitar hero. Guitars in rock band was like always a thing like these other guitars been after by Rochman Guitars. That stupid and then they were compatible. He said this is two thousand eight. Yeah I'm having an Epiphany magazine that was right. Around the Arrow I was riding a mobile games column for game. Pre the sucks rules calling. That's what triggered my memory is. It was called Mobile Games. They don't suck. I mean I don't know if it's in here but that was like right around now so your son that rules. Jonathan Blow's masterwork braid is simultaneously an artsy tribute to old school. Two D platforming and an ambitious collection of wonderfully absorbing absorbing gameplay and storytelling is not wrong. Finally rules little big planet talented amateur level designers actually be able to sell their mooks inspired creations for cold hard hard cash. I don't know if that ever actually know people sell their little big planet levels. That was a that was a pitch of that game. Game Pro thought that ruled it ran into legal issues thought better of it. They have a feature called. There wasn't a single user created level ever played for that that was any fun. I played a lot because no one could itself then wrote the Guy for that game. There's a fee for take this job and love it explaining what the different roles are for people that make an artist and then they give an example Tetsuya Nomura for and final fantasy designer. The example is cliff Lazinski director. The example as Hideo Kojima producer would be jade. Raymond Programmer is is Sid Meier. WHO's since disappeared? He started making some mobile games but that was a while ago. They bubble games that don't suck right the six most powerful game studios in two thousand eight. Oh I'm curious. So epic games are any of them. Go up against On gears of war didn't rank them individual this here's just six of them so then and then the company in the twelve year sits has had a fall and of right Eh. Aren't there that we could guess. Let's see I don't know Tiburon. Is that still think they made Mattis Mad. They still they still the ones doing that Bungee is on your you blizzard so relevant Rockstar north And maxis okay. There's one that's gone is maximum like Sim city force huge. But like you know like they're not I wouldn't. They're not related to the SIMS. Let's say that's what I meant to say. I meant to say well. They're fine. Everything's Fine I think what three of those are. Ea Studios just Tiburon and maxis to run. And maybe they didn't know maximus yet. I don't know in the then. There's a feature called the big five recharged but I don't really know it's just a list of things that are happening so I don't know what the name of this is and it's sponsored you buy a battery recharger cool but the big five are Nintendo dominates publishing blows away the other nineteen entries trees on edge. Online's list of the top twenty publishers of twenty. Two thousand eight weird. What's charge three charge number? Two the xbox sixties Xi's first full year of Prophet Microsoft's Gaming Division just posted its first ever full year profit in two thousand eight. Remember people to care about that. That was part of the console. War was like well. You're constantly be more popular but like my like Sony's more profitable than the other ones compare. Sales numbers. People still carried with sales numbers for sure but it it is. It's funny to think about them. Caring about like this is doing good for Microsoft that was always a big Nintendo Fan. Boy Point was like like Nintendo's profitable ten billion dollars. The bank number three playstation three greatest hits. Sony launched a series Price at thirty dollars each recharged number four before a star Trek Online Samuel. Anything about that. Yeah I remember that I think almost was drawn into playing that. Was it a real game. They actually got released still around. Okay Kip still think. in five into versus pirates into Japanese software publishers are bringing the legal hammered down on the makers of a device facilitates the playing of pirated. Ds Games man pirated DS. Game or so easy you just put on whatever they call it a d four. Remember the brand. Yeah that's does ring a bell but there's just collect just put in your computer. They were also just so bright. You could buy them at a kiosk in the mall like it was insane. Yeah the seven best Nintendo DS Games just as you write this no the seven best Nintendo ds game as picked by game pro in two thousand eight was gasoline. Donald final fantasy four. You heard of that one Damon to have four the Phantom hourglass Mario Kart Ds new Super Mario Brothers pokemon diamond and Pearl. And the world ends with you. It's good list excellent. I'm thrown off by final fantasy for like not that. There's anything wrong with that game. Yeah not a new game for the US now. And then they're they're they're big feature on gears of war two uses the sort of strap line brutal legend Oh because brutal legend would be out in less than a year. It was already announced so was announced. I mean I have to admit if this is November of two thousand and eight. I think it was in the spring of two thousand nine in insane coincidence if I mean it's just it's an odd choice to go with. Here's a much smaller game that we're GONNA use the strap line for the big game. An ad for Banja nuts and bolts underrated game. I like that came along. I really likes likes. That came remembers the we game spray. Don't Rem Gina Nope. This is like. This isn't quite this is this isn't right but this is the early late. We period of aware up here. Is that a pope. I was looking at this. I was like what the heck is this game. I look look this up on Jian. I reviewed it when you give it five something good or head also reviewed this game away. Shuffle Dungeon engine. Yes that's incredible. It's a dungeon crawler where they rearranged the floor is like cards like playing cards. It sounds like a I gave that a six when you Okay get the reviews. Spore was their game of the month. They Review Meg on very well. Making nine four four stars for two five stars breaking spore also got four out of five stars to human also got out of five stars but rock band two weight and you said this does game pro. Yeah where did the man with the exploding hair go I. That's a good point. They weren't using it in two thousand and eight. Were they trying to like age themselves up. Maybe they got rid of like the sad blue man and and like the the the red man that was freaking out. I never read game. You're talking about five out of five. was the man loosing up really. Yes yes you have. We haven't yes you have. We'll show you Tina. Have you seen it. They re the rock band got five stars so I don't I don't know why that is is the game of the month But this is also two thousand eight. And there's this whole ad for this like mobile garbage for like wallpapers his themes screensavers. Real tones. All the stuff you can buy download to your disease jam. stor yeah your razor flip phone. Probably probably it's like the wallpaper bikini girls and skulls that with flames at talk. It's that's a Mario. What's up in the corner? Super Mario Brothers theme song. If you so you just you just you just text sung two three four six you would buy like tones and stuff you guys want to try to buy some of this crap you can still buy ringtones on unlike apple music thing you imagine all right. I don't know if there's anything else interesting in here. Kathleen order the CLEESE's for DS got four stars. Is the last Metro Minya the last castle mania one that was well. Yeah because there's portrait of ruin in order that was pretty good Warrior Lynn Shake Four Stars. And I never played that one that has a very cool look to it has is like the cartoon for we Aviv opinion troubling paradise. Do you remember that one. Three sixty four stars everything for stars the emperor except for bioshock Kane in a PS three that got five stars. Oh in the feedback section. Here's a letter. This one This letter comes from Elisha Cooper in Nashville Tennessee graphics. Six I am so tired of that word. Seems like everyone I know makes fun of me just because I have a we gaming isn't always about looks take Star Wars. The force unleashed I for example. I can't wait for it to come out on the looks great game for the weeds motion controls but most people I know. Say Look stupid on we because of you guess it Graphics Win Will Gamers learned. There's more to games individuals. Never apparently apparently there was a game dot com poll on do you pay for xbox live live forty four percent said yes. It's the best thirty seven percents that nope not worth it. Nineteen percents Don't xbox sixty. We should run. I was just thinking they so good content and you have game pass And then finding in their Retro Review Session section their retro views are for out of the classes which would be three years old? That is weird. Two thousand six two years old I guess for a Rancho Review and eternal darkness. Oh so Shattuck gotta clauses an eternal darkness both got four and a half stars by attorney. Marcus doesn't one. Maybe those are from that month or something like in previous. Ah like anniversary right. That was look back at game. Pro In November of two thousand and eight. I think I think that's I know that was twelve years ago eleven eleven years ago but that's to uncomfortably close. I like to go farther back. I understand that I understand. I liked it. We probably we know people that worked on that issue. Surely Oh yeah you know who the Editor in chief of that magazine was at the time. But let's move on to video game that brings us to video game twenty questions and check this jam out. Give it a second. This is slow. Burn fuel film like kind of pumped up like like guys. I think we're GONNA do this inspiration to pull out this game. Smooth the Games you can see I. I see someone like like running through the forest or like bursting I'm your house. Sol invictus there smiling slowly and they're also feeling they're filled with determination. Yeah more people like joining run. Whatever obstacles facing ethic they're going to overcome it's also nineteen eighty-four share? Yeah for sure okay. We have a letter an actual letter. The justices are audio engineer. Games this is from Jude. Bilski from Pine Plains New York. It's near Poughkeepsie. I'm a longtime listener. I don't recall I say the poughkeepsie very cute. It's poughkeepsie there are two es it's okay it's okay it's okay that there are two east. Yeah Yeah you are forgiven. Dude says I'M A long-time listener. I don't recall for how long I don't remember that you reviewed the game. They're really tickles me. For some reason I have never watched any of the videos of your show. Oh based on the audio versions. It doesn't seem like any of the participants for twenty questions us a list. I are many times when they are talking amongst themselves about the questions. They have asked along the way to get in the game. They seem to repeat. Allow the questions to each other so I included a list with many of the popular other questions and some not so popular to help the scoop crew along the way. If my letter reaches you guys I hope you find the questionnaire helpful if you decide to use them. Keep up the seller work doc lists for a while from another family or following along with suggested first questions that's true that's true so can read offer a few questions. Was this game released before January first. Nineteen Ninety which we do use Same but before two thousand and then before two thousand ten is this game part of a series. That's my special is this game. Console exclusive at the time of its release. Yeah so now you can use that. Maybe that'll help. Keep track of everything else. Would you like to use a pen than I ever and allowed to use. That one again are suggested this week comes from Travis. Harkless from Richmond. Virginia where there's no not good nutcase. Let the questioning began. There's a poughkeepsie checklist. The checklist but the person's person Bikita requested this is from Richmond Virginia. Yep We've coast game it's near Poughkeepsie. I don't think it's not supposed to be new questions suggestions questions. We're supposed to go see these. Just this is just a health. This is just a guide for you. You don't have to all this. These are honestly most of the questions that we hardy mentioned on the episode We use game was not mentioned on the episode. Are you share yes. I'm sure that's not. Don't put another finger up Can you find the platform exclusive one. Is this game couple. This one's console exclusive. Yeah that's good. We can use at a console exclusive exclusive. Yes Jessen. Do you want the list. I feel like it's awkward. That a little separated over here is why would we ever ask that I do I have. There's only five on this page. This is from before two thousand before two thousand independent from before nineteen ninety. Yes Oh wow okay. Do this game appear on the Nintendo entertainment system. The whole system is just just GONNA get the game before it was released on the Nintendo console. Okay so as an scratch out in unconscious five questions console exclusive anaemia or published by Nintendo. Yes okay again. You have to take this game. Have Mario in it. No you know that Mario is the referee. Rian punchout right. Oh I know Did is this a black box game. No Okay collect your qualification. A bunch out. Do you think that's Canonical Mario or is that just like a funny Easter Egg. Letting the fun. Marias and so many of those intend to publish games. So what do we know so far have been published game. It's not an early one blackbox game and he asked Mario Without Mario Come true or is that too early. That's a blackbox game. Shall we go John Mara Rpg. We're just going to say. I mean is this. I just don't Kicker Zelda or whatever it's going to be all these characters and smash right. So how do you shoot things things in this game you can. You can shoot something in this game. Okay this is a A standard Nintendo Endo Controller. Yes that's ten and as as opposed to light gun or Giro or a rob you. You can't shoot can't things in it. Meyer is not an I mean can shoot. That means you don't usually I mean. Is it just like you know it could be Zelda Archaic. It's Kenneka so you can shoot all the time the metric shoot all the time. That's why I'm thinking more Zelda Hartsville. Yeah does this game. Have a game in this series out on switch no sports game Of a sort can not like it's competitive Um I don't want to mislead you. It's not a sport football soccer hockey. Whatever not those okay but it's competitive so multiplayer potentially multiplayer? No I know why should be pretty big. Why is that a big hit? Why is it competitive but not multiplayer? He I didn't say it was competitive. Yeah he did he did so like some sort of word connection he said. It's a sport of a sort but outta traditional sport pinball no that's a blackbox game intendo published or developed which one no. Oh okay thanks gene. It that's actually a good one actually. There's no no I didn't mean look I'm just gonNA leave. You actually forgot our thing. No that's different okay. But they didn't develop like we're games like Christmas. He is this developed in the United. No I'm at a loss. I don't think I have it. I'm stuck on this competitive. But Not Sports game thing and I'm stuck on what they've already published but didn't in develop fading would be multiplayer. That counts as multi-player ranks a senior like karate champ could be karate champ but that's blackbox game that's okay because dame. I know that but he was very definitive. He's like nope. Yeah is the developer. Still in business that's fifteen. That was the Hindu also hint. That means they've been absorbed into something else. Maybe they don't make any more competitive sports. You can shoot. I don't know well there's like Klay. The you said it uses a traditional controller otherwise otherwise like dot COM would if not for that For World Class track. Meet or whatever although that's just clearly is this from after he said it's from before ninety seven. Wow so it's an early one too. I don't know where to go probably yeah. I don't know that we go for it Is it beloved. I love it. Yeah beloved was it well received was well received. I duNno I'm out we lost you. Tend to power covers. Yeah this is what's I don't know man. Should we go for. I mean I guess you play as Human Umass right can shoot things. Well not necessarily yeah. You can't shoot things. It just sounds so much like a stupid Olympics game or something and publishing virtual console like was in a classic doc on the mini. Yeah is it. I don't know I don't have. I don't have the memory of the game. Classic Game List memorized I Do you play as a human you do not control a human but you are presumably human the entity like maybe a way say that again the entity is what you do not control human but presumably a human would need to be controlling. You're seeing pro enough. This is my new favorite game. This is my new favorite part of twenty questions determining who's playing the game you can't shoot. It's a racing game where you can suit like honor Mach Rider RC. pro-am was developed by rare which was owned by Nintendo. At that time it was later or maybe they worked in publishing it but they probably published it. It's racing see. Is This A. Is this a racing game. Yes was this developer. Okay Develop I. I Don I don't think developed at game. RC PRIAM's rare rare collections. And stuff I mean it's this is a game about remote control cars yes artsy pro-am pro published and developed it. I had no idea that Nintendo published. Yes that's that's the only reason I knew it was a big deal because Nintendo made a big deal about it. I see primes great. Yeah game still holds up. You believe we got that very good. What was the one that broke it? It was a development intendo actual publish pretty good. I don't know a Nintendo rare would have been the nineties nineties later on right they weren't they didn't own rare at the time. Yeah that came out so that that's interesting that they did not own them at this time then did now does not Well that's a good suggestion. Travis harvest from Richmond. Virginia and our friends in Poughkeepsie Do you think Jude's question. Listen it's a how we always ask but it's a good refresher of like if you're stuck say I thought maybe it'd be helpful to and that's why I wanted to play the two and now it's time time for. I have my own upbringing of questions. Massey the penalty is this. You didn't even know Damon. You always get to play three people so we thought we'd get you some accompaniment Nia meant for your twenty so back home. I guess who's coming what's happening here you're Very close confidante. I'M GONNA have to friend after edit this now. Oh my goodness what are we say. This was the game Yemen. Hatfield an Hatfield Sweet Potato D- Son just started eating sweet potato us again with Ayman's face on it for you listening at home now you have to watch an act you have no choice. Really screw them up. You should make me to potato with your face after eat. Sweet potato has spit up is all orange so now we have rijkaard your friend Yemen Hatfield. So that's pretty good. That's pretty good all right. Well you you guys have your. Everyone is on the same guys all the recaps a potato thing. Let my questioning beginning. What's not ready? I don't know you declared it time to start. I will now begin the question. Yes yes that is what I do. Okay what's person question. My phone to start on him. Is this game part of a series. Yes I wrote the question twice. That doesn't even help me. Okay yes this game is part of a series. Was it released on Nintendo console. Yes I feel well okay. I'm already getting second thoughts wasn't released on and denounce crazy as you mentioned a game that you should not have mentioned this whole this whole episode today which we almost chose for saying it was bizarre? Can you tell me what it was. He's born oh interesting thing. Go for that because you talked about it for a while that would've been that that was on Nintendo ds so that would've counted for that but not pro series. I guess anyway. I know that it's part of a series and it was released into new council. Was It really sunny cartridge. Yes wasn't released on a handheld console. These aren't right in a row are there. What do you mean? Now he's jumping around. It's all right yes it would be a problem if they were just all you on like this was your line of yes. The problem is that I'm focused on checking these questions and not actually thinking about what the game good. I'd be fine also. No one's counting so none of this the forum. It's rude to keep asking the questions yourself. Yemen gets. The question on Yemen doesn't seem to have a lot to say does so we're that's really not what Yemen would sound like. No okay. So it's part of a series it was released on Nintendo the council on a cartridge. and WHO's your characters earns game so let's see what else might work. Was this game released before January. First two thousand now no. It's after in two thousand but ANA cartridge on Nintendo so it would have at least appeared on the game. Boy Advance even includes the switch not very helpful. Okay is this game played in a game developed in Japan very much so very much so is is it an action game no no define action. It's not it's not. It's not it's part of a series notes things in this game experience action Kurt Dogs so after two thousand part of a series his release on an Nintendo handhelds. The CON with the cartridge definitely developed in Japan but not an action game. Is it a single player game. mm-hmm yes there is no multiplayer component single player game. Can you drive a vehicle now. No no no. It's very hard to answering. The question is clearly no but I am. I sure eight is we are. Does this game take place on earth. Yeah yeah or very good reproduction. Averse I mean is this earth. Yeah I was GONNA say. Are we in a dream. That's do you play as a human. Yes yes that's unclear. We went over this yes or no answers. Let's keep it to that unclear but you can presume your human. What are the Graphics Three d yes Yes eurocom orange can tell you what I cannot believe? You don't WanNa know what console you're dealing with right now and okay. Well that's good. Well I mean I know into no hand-held yeah yeah but so would you consider the switch a handle. Yeah okay I guess that's not. Yeah so it gets. But if it's three then I would imagine how the three D. S. or the switch Because those are more powerful the council's capable of rendering three D graphics. Yeah I guess it could be a three game on gameboy advance but little little less common. Is this hard hard for you. You're watching US struggle now like I like okay. Was this game while received. Yeah you know. Oh that's an interesting question and I'm going to go with. Yes yes same. What do you think we can verify? Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah yes yes but maybe it sounds like soft yes like. It's a seven course passing notes. She uses notes. That's true. Do I like this game. No unlikely probably not if we had to guess it's not a Dany. It's not a daime game definitely not a Daime Game Yemen. Maybe not having any game that'd be developed in Japan and it showed up on an internet console. Oh I like startling consuls. But I don't WANNA burn too many question or it at one two three four five check out doing fourteens means that's fourteen now. There's one more until that right. I decided to be funny. If it's number nine I don't touch it. Sorry okay I have more cards. which cousins will be helpful for me? Here is played in a first person perspective. Yes and and fifteen isn't it. I thought this seems like a argues very stressful. I know I've got used a museum. Chosen Music Oh you can go through and pick one. I want to the inspirational music. Like you can do one that it was really like final moments. That was the very does sound good teenage Jack. You integrate job in that seat by legacy lives. And I'm Chang Five let's let's recount. This game was after two thousand. It is part of a series. It was released nintendo handheld on a cartridge. You plan in a first person. Perspective developed in Japan but not an action game to single player game. You cannot drive a vehicle takes place on earth you play as a human. The graphics fix our three. The the game was well received. I probably won't like this game. Pretty much sums it up into really nice to have the list for that recap but that doesn't like it. I don't think I don't know how much they'll that helps me down. Maybe it's obvious you guys know nine and you get it at this point so I'm not going down the right path path. Which of these would help at five questions left? Is this the developed in Japan. Is the developers still in business. Yes MHM this is about the juncture. What I probably would have suggested going down the genre path one can even name the genre I know but that's why helps get you there? Oh you don't know the genre. I'm not saying that I'm saying for the general. It's always hard to get game. We picked random each time a game. Yeah Cherry but you do know John Yes. Yeah Yeah. I don't know I only have Sixteen questions developers still in Business Very Japanese game. What's the Japanese? Because I don't like Oh no oh wait oh is this state is first person. Yeah okay so it's not like dark souls that stuff Three D. Games action game either not an action to help right like you know that. Yeah but that could switch share so or should they. That's not very very helpful. I don't know but it was a cartridge not any of the download stuff you could. You could take care of the switch and three yes questions with years ears. Yeah I mean I could ask the question I could go for two thousand ten. That doesn't win is three. I don't even know when the three yes was released. Now one knows yeah might have been eight and ten thirty S. I don't think so. Why not and you're still ds really yeah? Oh Yeah because the magazine was just talking about it so well I was hoping actually having a list reference would make this easier but maybe it's not going to be this time. Let's just ask them questions and get it over with you. Got Four left. Well three and a guest. It appears as part of a series is. What was this multi-platform game? nope okay so it was only this whatever council was on and didn't appear anywhere else to make notice since not not so it was a Nintendo exclusive Super Japanese game that I probably wouldn't like Three D. The first person plays a human ask. You can give him hints at this point. He always gives us hints. Eddie sort of. Yeah well except your Johnson Sam's not even sure we know what genres is. There is this. It's like a like we normally asked you shoot things as it. Fighting aim is at a platformer. Yeah but it's not an action game. Your plan is a human on earth. Breath sounds boring right. Wait a minute are that we would hold on. Hold on hold on so so but I think Anna Crossings Boring But you're not. They're not human in that game. Wait are you human in that game wait a minute. I don't know if you're a human il crossing the first person. Wait unless humans animals humans are animals. Wait a minute but you control control an Avatar that you move around the screen and L. Crossing would not. He's not first person not for expert and you are human and what's a boring person. Game Pokemon is also boring not not not source person. What's a boring Nintendo franchise in first person Nah sentimentally you're you're approaching. Let me the hint sentimentally yes the feeling thing. You gotta you gotta clean up this tree. These point like like there's like fantasy life again I don't but I don't know anything. Think about that game. This game is for series though. It's not three question. I know I'm trying to work it out. It's not like harvest moon. Who can be the other? Farming Sim may by one person that just sold a million copies. You're doing a good job. Do you wanna go for genre is this I only have you only has three questions. And he's trying to come up with questions and guess rainy question's GonNa Guess. Yeah is it a is it. A SIM game. Hey what see them games now. I have two questions on a guess. So I'm going to knock these off so you need more help from perhaps tubers tubers. Yeah I think that's the classification that that both types of potato. I don't think they're gonNA be very much help. Okay because I can run to the store and then to to you I get like a give me no. No now we're just playing a parsnips group. There are turnips and crossing in and they put him on the tubers hint. Yeah Yeah we're just having fun though wasn't potatoes we're GONNA start playing with them. And then you had a breakthrough through though you had ten sim now all of a sudden Because they've got that's that's the same feel as the Games you've been referencing. I think maybe some similar elements. That should be obvious. Shouldn't it except that is not like Mario Zelda animal crossing Pittman. What's the question that we asked to see if something from the you know? Nintendo consoles souls is currently in other games. It's a question to ask what I was asking questions about. A contemporary series of games. That's related games. Well I think you're asking the smash brothers thing but I don't know the health snakes I don't really play smash uh-huh what could this possibly be. I can't think of a boring into new game so it's first person you play as a human. It's a sim in its on earth Earth. So real world elephants. Yeah but not but not all right we gotta move. There's long people are screaming. The names were probably added this down to me. That's my favorite tweet that we get with. Finally I was screaming the name that game for the first time ago what tweets I really like though I love that twitter account. That's can you pet the dog So good yeah. That's a good one CAITLIN. Yeah that seems like a random comment but okay okay can you time. It's a Sim game are in your on earth. You are a human i. I don't laugh at you like that when you enroll for laughing with each other without you. That's all not at you they made in. Japan is Nintendo the developer. Yes okay so that's I guess. Now right maybe I have to live. Ah Okay one one more question and then I guess I don't know I don't know Solano Is it on switch now. Okay so I have to guess a boring Nintendo game. That's not on switch. A hand held game. You play in first person technically. Because it's a Sim wait a minute what does that. What does that mean that? Did you ask about the whole controversy from last week. About Civilizations Sim game. It's the first person in this game. You play as a person but the things that matter see other things in the game because they have their own so confusing yeah. It's the first person game. I'm just making jokes. Able yeah mine was a hint. I didn't even hear the the whole it. It's in first person because it's a sin sent helpful. I don't know I think it's twenty percents. It's pretty rough. Yeah I thought maybe the list would help I give up. Yep I just gave you a clue pretty rough it is A. Hey that's the ball. The running one really works that that okay so issue area now. He's GonNa break all men issues. Justin was helping you with your barking up the wrong tree. Okay that's pretty good. And then what the tweet. And then that's it that's really good. I can't name another learning ten dogs game. Though in ten dogs and cats there is a sequel on the three D. S.. I didn't even know that dogs. Plus cats as the Plus uh-huh so I don I. I wouldn't have known that you're doing. It looks five questions in you. Knew A three-game intendo hand-held and I'm like why in the world when you hit crossing I was like yes. Yeah game was yeah which one. I don't remember you L. Battle Block theater. That would have been really. You're aware the aware but never played it and it has a castle crasher in it because it's like a semi daime game like a modern thing to mitigate collection here reviewed needed battle black theaters shares after Castle crashers Alawites Mini game collection level. Storyline also has a story. It's really good. Oh and they made a mini game collection. The Antagonists Guinness Arquette's in dogs. Now now embattled theater okay well confirmed firmed. Having a list of questions in front of you does not help us so whoever one can at you on twitter. That's that's they feel free to ask me on twitter all we don't use them. They have permission to do. That is true. We don't we're not allowed to interact with them and after the show. Please don't ask me. I just go back to my desk and I light up a sick kid into our Max Payne three ashtrays and Neri all of your feelings summer of my highlife. 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Halloween Review, Red Dead 2 Slave Labor, & Netflix Cancels Everything? | OGLFG Podcast

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Halloween Review, Red Dead 2 Slave Labor, & Netflix Cancels Everything? | OGLFG Podcast

"What's up guys on this week, show Halloween review, red dead to slave labor and net flicks cancels everything plus dumb shit of the week. All that and more on this episode. One giant leap forgives. Kwun all for man. On by. Gigs. Welcome to another episode of OG Odiele g. where we talk about movies, video games and all things and culture. I'm your host, Mike, c. squared with Michael's been one. It seems weird drinking, sunny, delight out of two Lear. So how's your week been so far? Well, let's see. I caught a stomach bug. I shaved and I did laundry. So all in all same shit different day. Yeah, I was gonna say, I guess I can be partly to blame, I guess, for your sickness. I mean, I still don't feel like I'm patient zero. I got it from someone, but we'll just blame some the ether in general. Trying to get to the bottom of it and kill them. Right, right, right. It's like, you can't. You can't. You can't be spreading plague to anyone else. No one else will suffer because you got damning nobody. It's funny. So obviously from the title we're gonna talk about Halloween a little bit later. DJ mellie mell is going to join me for that one at the end of the show. But right now is just going to be maimed the why. But it's funny because when we went to go see Halloween, a trailer played for a movie that I had heard like absolutely nothing about up until I saw the other night Saturday night. And I was like, you know why I was like, we're, we're going to talk about this because it's it's ironic. My girlfriend is birth or in verse Serie is on October tenth and. For anniversary, we went to an escape room and been, why haven't talked about like, oh, you know, I really want to go to one of these in do one because I mean, have you been to one before I have never been to one. No, but I really want to, yeah, we went to eighty steamed escape room, and it was actually really fucking fun. But. It's ironic because I went to my first escape room just a couple of weeks ago and been was never been to one. And now we have this trailer for this movie called escape room. Now, if you if you haven't seen it yet, I would definitely say to go check it out. But from the best I can describe it is it reminds me a lot of the cube movies. I know that you said you've seen all of those, right? Yeah, I've seen them all. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I've seen everyone, but I know I've definitely seen the first two. I'm pretty sure, and I really, really enjoyed them. And there's a couple of other movies that are kind of like they're not called the q, but they're basically fucking the cube, and they're just like a cube, knock off. But for those who maybe have not seen the queue, basically. The the premise of this is. A bunch of strangers sign up for this escape room gain that if you can escape, you can win a million dollars. And I think in the trailer, they said it was the menas corporation or company or some such shit like that. Our first red flag. What was the company? This is some company shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. Good point because I mean in real life. And I guess I should explain to if no one's ever played in an actual realized escape the room game. They're basically kind of like what you were playing PC games, flash games and shit where you know you go into the room. There's some kind of premise and the game is based around like a theme of some kind, and you have to find clues, figure out puzzles, combinations to locks and shit like that and put things together to try and get out of the room is just basically the whole point of the game. And it's just kind of like using your deduction skills and sometimes mathematics and different things like that to try and get out. And basically these people sign up for this escape the room game. And if I guess if you get out you win a million bucks. The cast from what I can see. Looks like a bunch of no names. I don't recognize anybody in the trailer except one person. It's the red headed girl. She is in the daredevil series on Netflix, and I think she was in like true blood or some such shit like that. I never watched it, but I look up trying to like research hers on. I think she was in true or vampire diaries. One of those fucking, you know, knock off interview with the vampire TV shows. Boy. I am intrigued by the premise because from what they show on the trailer, it's like an escape room game on crack or basically you could die in the room. If you don't figure out how to get out. They kinda establish that or at least a hint at that. Each of the participants have some kind of sorted past and they were chosen for reason to be the group that had interact with each other in this room. I'm not sure. It's basically the same thing is like everybody who has ever been any of the soft fills all connected is. Yes, thank thing from cube. They're all connected in one way or another with the whole premise being that if you can escape this room. Now, the only reason I think they're really capitalizing on this trend is because it's something everybody will be somewhat familiar with if they have not done them, they're used to them. But at the end, it's simply a new plot device with the term people recognize this. There's a lot of films are ready to kind of had this sort of premise in it, but that doesn't make you any less of a an eye opener. Like I want to see this. I don't even need to see the trailer when you told me there was a trailer I wanted to see this. Oh, yeah. Now you mentioned that you only recognize one woman. But you're not one hundred percents? Sure where she came from. I know she's in daredevil, but I don't know. She's some other vampires show, but I'm just not sure which one. Okay. Because I actually only recognized one person on that cast to when it's not her wants the guy with the glasses. His name is Nick go daddy. He was also on a Netflix show called atypical, really good show of you've not seen an, I suggest you do, but he also plays like the social media guru engineer guy on the new Murphy Brown series. So he's only on Netflix, but he's also on network television now. Also as far as I'm aware of, he's like for still guy that doesn't have like a big name. He's one of the leads just for lack of name recognition with the rest of the cast. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. I guess too. And like I said with them, like you said, it's kind of a very good comparison. Like I was trying to think of something to compare it to you. It's it's kind of like the saw movies where even in those, it's like you have to figure out how to get through this trap or death trap of some kind to survive to the next thing. And then you know, you'll get to go home. So, yeah, it's, it's basically saw, meets cube, or you know, just basically another Saul movie pretty much just minus jigsaw and all that bullshit. Now that actually reminds me to you probably don't watch or you. You don't watch a lot of like foreign films to you? Not really, somewhat, but not really. No. I mean, if you do is probably like what subtitled anime or something pretty much. Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna. I'm not saying that as I watch a lot or I'm very cultured, but it remind me of a film I had seen on IFC probably a decade ago called Fermat's room. It's a Spanish film. It's basically in the same vein as as a scape room or Saul where these mathematicians had to solve problems. And I, I wish I could explain it more detail than that, but if you're not opposed to watching foreign films in your kind of into math and numbers, like I am definitely check out. I may be mispronouncing this name, so please don't jump down my case. Anybody who may be listening if I mispronounced this, I'm an ignorant American. But I think it's called firm Matt's room. Okay. Okay. I wish I can spell it for you. Okay. Because I can't, but that's definitely something matter of fact, if I can find that online somewhere, you and I should watch that is if you think I'll like it, we can review it. Okay. Well, just because when you told me about the trailer, a gap me thinking, I'm like, oh, then cube saw than I just for whatever reason this just popped in out of the back of my head because it's something I saw once and apparently left enough of a Mark in my mind that even though I'm only kind of vague details like I would totally watch it again. Yeah, no, no, no. We can definitely look into that one. With this though. I mean, I I have, I have high hopes because it does look intriguing in like the the puzzles and the kind of the traps that are in the room look, really interesting. I like how you know they fuck with the thermostat thing is he, he's like, oh, it looks like oven dial. And then like the whole room starts to heat up and shit. And so it kind of puts like a timer on them for each room like you only have x amount of time to get through this because. Like in any most escape the room games I've played on and stuff, you pretty much have a indefinite amount of time to do whatever you want to do and figure it out. But in real life is skate the room games. You know, you have a set timer for how long it's gonna take you to get out of there and you know, you get some kind of wall of fame to horse shit or whatever. If you get out in time, you know, all that means I like the twist of if you don't do this with an x amount of time, the room is going to kill you. It starts off Monday in it seems innocuous enough, but there's something in the course of the game that will set in motion. Things that are going to force you to get out of the room fast or you won't live. That you've, you've never played the known ary games. Have you know? No, man, I got a, I got a hook you up with my steam libraries. You can play those games. I think you would not only is the whole plot based upon escape rooms for there's actually a narrative to it, multiple endings. I think it's something you could totally get yourself into see how I would like I would like the shoutout q.. I don't know if he's ever going to listen to this, but she's the one that hooked me up with those games. I'm trying to think. I am interested to see because they do show a few flashes of the characters like fighting with each other. I mean, in any of these movies where it's like, you don't know what's going on and you have a set amount of time and something's gonna kill. You. Eventually the characters in this sense of claustrophobia going on, virtually the characters do start to turn on each other. So that's that's kind of a common trope for these types of movies. But I'm curious as to what the the setup is for why or whatever the gimmick is for this particular movie of why they were chosen and what kind of dark shitting they pass. They got going on and you know what they're trying to achieve by doing this. I mean, obviously they want the million dollars, but they were selected specifically because I'm assuming the corporation wanted these certain personality types or these certain people who have had maybe some kind of tragedy and a pass or something like that to have to. Meet with each other in interact with each other and trying to work as a team to get out of this or possibly just to see the conflict that will come out of these different personality types in people, whether the different backgrounds or maybe even similar backgrounds. And we just don't know yet. What does that common connection and isn't going to be a Nuff to justify what this company or this individual portraying an LLC is doing? Yup. Yup. 'cause looking looking at the like they go inside what is presumably just a building, but have you ever have you seen the belco experiment yet? Nope. Okay. That movie there's only been out for little over a year. It was very reminiscent of the belco experiment. I don't really want to spoil it for you. But it it just reminded me of like the beginning of that film. I can't really delve more into it without spoiling anything. Okay. That's kind of like what lies. The first red flag was that this was some kind of company. Yeah. If you're in a movie in any kind of companies trying to give you a prize to do some, you know borderline, you know, you don't really know what's happening shit. If you're in a movie, it's probably a bad thing. If you're dealing with a corporation or an empire, bad should happen. That's. This is how it goes pretty much. I'm interested to see this. I'm looking forward to just finding what the traps are going to be. Because honestly, you know, usually when they make these kind of movies, you get a lot of no name actors, not necessarily because bigger Akers wouldn't want to do something like this. I mean, maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't, but the star of the movie is the the rooms and the traps and shit, and just trying to see how they're going to overcome that. You know, the characters are kind of just a, you know, kind of like what we talked about with the Jason movies when we did Friday, thirteen for seven, they're just kind of fodder. They're just there to. Give the room something to kill. It's like, yes, you know, you want to figure out why they're connected to any other before the most part, the room is the star of the movie. So I'm really interested to see what the traps are and what they have to do to get out of these rooms and shit like that. It was so weird because the one was like the one they begin was pretty much like an oven and then they wind up in someplace. It looks like it's outside in the winter. It was like a cabinet in woods and ship like how much money is put into this damn experiment. The winters only gonna get a million like what, what the gain they, they spent well over a million dollars making this shit. Like what the fuck. That's a good question. You know this question now that you bring that up just gonna kinda bug me when I'm watching a movie like, okay, y'all put more money into this game than what the prizes. Like, what exactly is this trying to achieve? And especially if they're killing the participants, it's like, well, this isn't like televised or something. So it's like it almost. It almost feels like by the end, the twist is going to be like, oh, you know, the guy who runs the company, you know, knew these people were they wronged him somehow. And this is his revenge or some shit, like some. I know what you did last summer type shit. Yeah. Like what? What are the motivations I mean, motivated reminiscent of like thirteen. Ghosts? Yeah. Or what was I got another movie and other horror movie in my head. He's kids go up to a cabin in like these monsters are slowly being released and nobody knows cabin in the woods, underground cabinet of the woods like that. And it's like, what? The. Yeah, like what, though, like what is perhaps already way too cynical because I've seen too many things like this, and I'm trying is almost like I'm talking myself out of not seeing the right, right. You're going to be like, uh, never mind. I gotta stop before before I tell myself not to do this because I do want to see the film mainly because yes, escape room. I'm hoping it's not more than just a cheap gimmick for shit. Horror film. Yeah, I hope now. I mean, it looks like they put a decent amount of money behind you, like the production looks pretty good. So like you said, as long as they have a decent enough story, I can go with it. I'm just worried it's going to be like a b. movie with a lot of polish on it, but we'll see. We'll see. And this one's coming out. Does this come out this year. I didn't catch in. You know, my crack research seem fucking up. This we got. I didn't think to look when this was coming home. It's coming out in January. Okay. Okay. All right. So at the new year. Okay. All right. Save all that extra Christmas money or take back all the gifts you'll get and don't want for Christmas. Hey, go take that. Take that gift card to AMC her whatever theater you got exactly go by the one ticket and blow the rest on candy because fuck that's expensive to show. All right. So moving on. Now for this next story, this is kind of been. Now I want. I don't necessarily want to say recurring thing because I've had heard anything about this for quite a few years now. But as most of you guys in the gaming community, no red dead redemption to is, is soon going to be upon us and. There has been this controversy about the. Rockstar CEO made. Some controversy will comments about the crunch time which for those who may not, you know the whole inside baseball shit about game development. The crunch time is basically a window of time right before the deadline for release of a new title. And basically everyone is just worked too fucking death up until that point to try to make sure that any kind of bugs are worked out and he kind of QA testing any kind of. Finishing touches basically pretty much so the game can come out on time and ready, and it's actually kind of joke because how many games come out, broken and eaten a patch on the first day. It's like, why even have the crunch time in the first place, but we're gonna. We're gonna talk about mismanagement of time and shit like that a little bit later, but just to give you the guy's information dump. So what happened? I am getting this from business insider dot com. So you notice legit. Says an interview with New York magazine's vulture. Last week, Rockstars co, founder, Dan Houser, pray staff members for working multiple one hundred hour weeks to finish the game invoking a fierce backlash from fellow game. Developers who accused the company of abusing its employees. They go on to say in an effort to quell. The most recent criticism of the studio howser released a follow up statement to attempt to clarify Houser Tokyo taco. He was only referring to the senior writing team of redemption to which consists of four people, including himself while redemption to has been in production for seven years. How's your said? The team spent three intensive weeks trying to finish the process. He said that other members of the games development team also chose to commit extra time, but no one was forced to work long hours part of house statement to Kentucky res across the whole company. We have some senior. Who are very hard purely because they're passionate about a project or their particular work, and we believe that passion shows in the games we release, but that additional effort is a choice and we don't ask or expect anyone to work anything like this. They go on to say, overworking staff sometimes called crunch culture is an ongoing problem for video game studios in the tech industry at large rockstar is best known for the massively successful grand theft. Auto series in the company has come under fire for similar tactics in the past. Now, this is what I was talking about in the beginning about how this is something that's come up before few years ago, but haven't really heard much about it just specifically with rockstar, not the gaming industry in general because this is kind of like ongoing thing. Every fucking Tom new game comes out, but rocks are particularly. In two thousand ten just months after the release of the original red redemption. A group of rockstar employees. Spouses published an open letter, calling attention to abusive work practices at rockstar, San Diego group, accused of withholding bonuses and pushing employees to the brink. They go on to say that workers throughout the video game industry have been vocal about crunch culture and predatory studio practices. In recent weeks, developers have shared horror stories about studios taking advantage of their personal passion for an upcoming game to justify reckless work schedules. The issue goes beyond video games. The tech industry as a whole has long been critiqued for pushing employees to the brink tech firms like apple lift. An Uber have all at some point espoused the virtues of being a workaholic and founders like tesla CEO, Elon Musk have been lauded for sleeping at work overnight. So. With everything that we just went over. What? What are your immediate thoughts about crunch culture rockstar in particular, just any of the above. My immediate thoughts is that we don't have the same culture here in America. They have over in Japan. And if you work a nine to five forty hour week job, let's put it this way. They can say overtimes not mandatory, but you will be punished down the line. If you don't work overtime. And we live in a very, very vulture is to culture where you're not going to be judged by what you do when you have to be there by what you do above and beyond. And this can hurt you mentally emotionally relationships. And there's already been plenty of studies out there that when you work once you work so hard or so long that only lose productivity, but you're bound to actually ruin what you were working on because you're just not as viable of a component in production. When they say mandatory is I'm sorry overtime. It's not mandatory. I'm like, oh, oh, yeah. You know, damn, well, it's very, very cutthroat in the tech industry, whether it's game development, programming, codeine, whatever. These people working? Yeah, let's be real. Some of them probably do of passion. Some of them probably do enjoy what they're doing. What after a while you're eating away yourself and with these companies, who is it like the higher ups, the president's the board members of promotional who decides when these games are going to be set for release in? Is there really that correspondence between the team actually putting this together, rather just arbitrary timeframes in with all these people are expected to work. Therefore there's more pressure on them to stay over the clock right now. See, I don't. I don't want to claim to have any kind of inside information. I don't know anyone who's in the gaming industry or tech industry or anything like that. But just from my own personal experience, just working in general, I find that what the problem becomes is that it's. Issue of multiple things. But one of the crux issues is that it's bad time management by upper management like, okay, like let's just say and actually heard a story kind of similar to this, the guys dear can Frank at work life balance, talked about this something similar to this. About a week ago on their most recent episode, I think but they had talked about how you believe Derek, like he's like a software engineer and talked about how they'll they'll take a job for a client and they've been paid up front and the team lead on that project will just kinda dick around in not bring up deadlines or not do what needs to be done in a efficient manner to make sure that they meet that deadline. So then they get to that crunch window where it's like, oh shit. This project needs to be done in the next week and a half. And we had three months to work on his project, and we kinda fucked off until this last thing. So now you have to hurry up and try and push to try and get it done on time, or you have to go to the client and ask for extensions and shit, and then make. Up reasons for why you couldn't get it done in the timeframe. That was a lot to you in the first place. A lot of these, like video game companies, especially companies that are making, you know, AAA titles. They start working on these games like years before it comes out. It's not like they started making red redemption to light last week or something like they've been working on this game for the last seven years. So the fact that there is any point in that process of time where it's like, oh shit, we got a nickel down to make sure it gets done. It's like that's just poor time, entertainment. And that's the fault of whoever the lead creative officer, whoever on the team that is on them because your your management of your time and resources and what you need to get done. That is all your responsibility as the leader of the team. You cannot. It's not only unethical, but it's unprofessional to ask your people who most of these devs are on salary, so you're not getting paid Jack Schick more to work overtime, you know? Yeah. You might get a bonus if the game releases on time, and there's not a lot of bugs and shit, but for all that extra work, they have to put in a net crunch window. They don't get shit for that and it sucks because a lot of these people will kind of work themselves to the bone in turn around and look at what happened to who do. We just talk about a couple of weeks ago, game studio that closed out telltale, oh, in get laid off and just lose your fucking job. So it's like you put in on his extra time, you get no compensation for it, and there is no security in your job because you might get laid off or like you said, if you stand up for yourself and say, you know what? I'm not gonna stay over. I'm not going to work extra hours. You know, give up my free time to dedicate my life to this. The name would just replace you with the next coder or developer who will do it. It's like you said is not expected, but it's this unspoken rule of if you don't do it, we'll just find somebody else who will do it. Well, I mean, it doesn't matter really what kind of what line of work you're in. There's a lot of people who will tell you right up while it's never been explicitly stated that you must do something for, you know, you don't want to or you don't legally have to by not doing it. You end up getting the shit end of the stick and. It's even more. It's even more scrutinizing when you're in the tech industry. Swipe feel bad for all these guys because I mean red dead redemption. When the first game came out back in twenty two thousand. I don't. Yeah, ten years ago, I assume when they decided, okay, this was a good game. It went over. Well, we wanna make a sequel suet. They probably tried to pick up is many of the same team members as to the first how most of them might be. I don't even know all the specifics able, but you would assume that if they wanted to make the sequel when they said, all right, we're going to do this. We're going to get the money for it that have at least a lot of the same people working in the same positions. So it's like if your team, I'm assuming the team is pretty similar. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong about that because I have done enough research on it. But if the team was the same or similar to save talent or skills is like you, you would know as whoever is getting the money for this project to allocate dedicate time, you would know where to put the money where to put the time. So if for whatever reason, all of a sudden everybody starting to complain getting out that everybody's working way too. Too hard. Just probably a matter of, like you said, time management or just management overall, like who's the head of all this. Because at the end of the day, they're going to be the ones to blame. Because either a you have team that really is a slack off doing anything, which shows that you have no leadership qualities or be, you don't know what the fuck you're doing. Exactly. So when shit starts to hit the fan, you're blaming everybody beneath you because you know, it doesn't matter what business you're in. The higher ups whenever anything goes to shit. It's always the lowest common denominator. It's always the grunt on the floor doing the manual labor that gives the shin. It's like it's like, it's our fault. It's the grunts fall. It's their fault. Now it's not as whoever's overhead. It's who overs whoever's the one with the oversight, whoever's the one putting together these timelines, they can't hit whoever's not making sure the people beneath them are doing their jobs, no absolute. I find it interesting. The guy co founder, Dan Houser how he clarifies like, oh, no, I'm not saying that the whole team did this, not for the whole duration of the development of the game. I'm just saying like a select few people. Did it. And it was only over the course of a few weeks or if you months and my immediate, I all is year. You may be saying, oh, we would never Ashur employees to do to send me other. And this was just for a small window at time. It's like, yeah, but what was it like before this? Because if you think about it, if these people have been in the in the industry for a while and have been developing games for awhile. I'm sure that there was a time where this crunch culture was just like a twenty four seven day in day out thing. And over time they learned, hey, I'm Burnham people out because even if someone is passionate about what they do in, they want to give that extra time and shit. It is your responsibility as a manager to go like, hey, look, you've been here for like the last three days straight. You know, two, three, four AM. You had a nine AM shift like you have to go home. Like I'm. I can't. I can't. You know. Legally make you stay, but I can make you go like you need to go home because even if you're doing this, not even expecting if you're doing this after work hours and you know you're not getting paid for it. There comes a a tipping point for any human beings where it's like, like you said, your your productivity, going to start to go down your, your focus is going to start to go down, especially when you're going to lack of sleep and and you know, food and stuff like that. It's like you, you're not being as effective as you may think you're being by staying extra and you are putting yourself in a position to where you were burn yourself out faster to be a avaiable. The. Resource for for the rest of the team because it's like, hey, you know such and such. They put on either like he's going to be dead to us for the rest of tomorrow like, so don't even bother trying to get him to do and work on whatever. You know, it's like. You know, there comes a point where it's not just about maintaining time, but managing people and managing what they even not so much what they can do, what they're willing to do. It's like, yeah, I know you may want to do this, but I need to think about the long like it's not a sprint. It's a marathon. Like, yeah, you might get shit done now, but you're going to be useless to me down the road because how you might just drop out of the game developing industry ought to gather because you know what your experience in the past. Okay. What was the last thing you heard. You were. Okay. Well. My only concern is that you know. I don't necessarily. I firmly believe in unions and I, I don't ever think that it's going to get to a point where the tech and gaming industry is ever going to be able to unionize like, say, automobile industry has unionized, but there needs to be someone at some level that is actually being forward thinking and saying, hey, we need to make sure that the people are developers. The people who are working for us will want to continue to work for us and we're taking care of them. I mean, but as long as there's this giant pool of people to pick from the corporations are going to give a fuck, there's going to move onto the next guy. Next new fresh face. It doesn't matter how much experience you have, how much you've done for the company, the shareholders and shit like that. They want a number and could give shit how to get to that point. So you're very expendable and it just sucks. Oh, yeah. But I mean, we could talk about just how the kademi is a whole is as focused more of its power and authority. I'm businesses over people, but that's for another time. Let's say pertains to games we need more active. Yes, yeah. What did more activision Atari. Yeah. Any final thoughts on this before we jump off. Any final thoughts. If you get paid salary for forty or fifty hours a week. You work the forty fifty hours? Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, no, no company. Despite the fact they pay, you know, company owns you as an individual. I agree. That's absolutely right. Because in. It's hard because yes, you can. Some would try make the argument like all of your salary you have to do it, or you expect it to do is like, yeah, but they're still comes a threshold where it's like, okay. You know, you're, you're going beyond the reasonable requests that anyone would have for a single human being to investor time and effort into anyone project or any job or career, or anything else. There has to be a balance. Like if not, like I said, just going to get burnt out and oughta going to do is replace you anyway. So. Bekaert ful I guess to what line of work that you end up going into. But moving on. It's time again for America's number one show dome shit of the week. That's right. Sure. The week is the show where you, yes, you submit your findings of dumb shit. We talk about what your submission on the show. Find us on Twitter, China leap, the number four years. So you can Email us at official g g mail dot com. Now, here's your host me. No right here. DJ milk can be here. So we're going to be flying so long, but. But. One team that I came up with for gumption to the week for this week, we're staying in the Halloween theme stuff because it is still October. And so the one I picked was worst killer motivations. Now, what I mean by this is any John Rao of movie. It doesn't even have to be a horror movie per se, but just anytime you wash movie and there was a villain who is trying to kill the protagonist because of something that doesn't make sense. Now the one night chose in particular for this. Topic was the scream movies. When when I made this, I put on a tweet asking for people submissions. And I made a mean of the killer from screaming. I said, I don't always kill my best friends in girlfriend, but when I do, it's because I love me some horror movies. Oh, in your dad. My dad's heater with your mom or whatever. And basically I thought I am not in this is not to be a shot at the screen, movies. I do enjoy them. Most of them the first two were pretty good. The ones after that, not so much, but the premise was good. I liked that they that they played on and subverted the tropes of horror movies and pointing those out and kind of made fun of how ridiculous they can be. But at the same time I did not like the motivation of the killer in the original movie nor any of the coinciding movies after that. Now, if you've never seen screen before or if it's been a long time, you don't remember the screen movies basically in the first film there are you. It's revealed by the end that there are two killers. It is who's nev- Campbell? No, she was. She was not an another. You're saying she's the girlfriend right? Neve Campbell. Yeah, is never Campbell's boyfriend and his best friend and Matthew Lillard yet looks like a poor man's Johnny Depp. Yeah. Yeah, he's, he's, he plays. Shaggy in the Scooby doo movies. He he will. They. The boyfriend basically wants to kill Neve, Campbell's character, and the friends and shit because Neve Campbell's mother cheats with his father and I, it destroys their marriage and this that and the other and somebody gets killed a process. It's this whole thing. I think he kills her mom, I believe because she's cheating with his dad or whatever. And it turns into this whole thing where they pose as one killer of the two of them and they go about killing your friends and playing these games about what your favorite scary movie and audit shit is just like, why would you do all that? Because they your dad fair. Like is it really that serious? Like the whole time I'm watching the ending and watching it unfold in them explain what's happening. I'm like, that shit's fucking stupid. I'm like, that is in it was made by west craven to the nightmare. Elm street movies, which are classic just good horror, movies, and I'm like, you know, I would expect more from, you know. Cult classic filmmaker than this kind of paper thin excuse for why you would do all this kind of shit. Matthew Lillard. He just seems like he's one excuse to kill people, but but the boyfriend, he just never understood why he's doing that. That was mine. And that was my pick for the dumpster week. The other one guy is coming from super movie rose, and they are at super movie pod on Twitter. They said Halloween, three season of the witch cult creates Halloween masks with microchips quote unquote inside of them. Those microchips are made with pieces of stone hinge they are activated by TV commercial that attacks kids wearing them because we're going to do we're cult things. That just that whole thing, I was just like, oh, my guy. Now, have you ever seen Halloween, three. Probably seen bits and pieces of it. I've seen a lot of trunks of all these films but never really paid attention to. Okay, okay. I've only seen Halloween three once and I refuse to go back and watch it again. I saw when I was younger, but I refuse to watch it again because Michael Myers is not in that movie and. Because I guess originally when John carpenter made the Halloween movie, he wanted it to be a. What's the word I'm trying to think of basically where it's like a different movie each time, but it's still under the same title the same unbrella. God dammit. I'm totally blanking on the the word for it. It's not a montage. It's not like. Anyway is like a new are no kind of basically like what? What the twilight zone is or black mirror where like it's the show is it's not a serial, but it's okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's just different. It's a different story time. Yes, exactly. Like the love boat. Exactly, exactly. And so he didn't want Michael Myers to be the killer in every movie. They just when the first movie became so popular, they when they made the sequel, they're like, hey, we won't Mike Myers come back. He begrudgingly did it, and then they kill him off by the end of the second movie. And then Halloween three was supposed to start the new story for the Halloween series and that didn't really go over. Well, people didn't like it as much. And so by Halloween, four, they go back to Michael Myers again, but yeah, no, basically like I didn't really remember the premise. 'cause I, like I said, only had seen it once, but from what he. Plane. I was like, oh, yeah, that's right. Like the mass where like killing the kids and shit, and it's just so stupid. It's like, so why are we making mass like if you just wanna kill kids, just kill kids. I mean, this is terrible. You don't need to like go through this convoluted as we're gonna put microchips inside the mass that are made from pieces of stone, hinge of all fucking things. And I'm just like, I don't think you understand how technology works. I don't think you can put a rock inside a microchip, and it still works like I don't. I don't think that works that way. I mean, I'm no tech person per se, but I gotta sneaking suspicion that would rocks do not conduct electricity. Well, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you cannot take issue up against geo flies. So maybe. Oh, I'm not even gonna start talking about polka Manca. Somebody will slap me upside the back of the head for that. The next one that we have is by switch the envelope switch envelope on Twitter. They said, I kind of added a little bit to this because. You can't see it. So I had to kind of explain but Snow White the Queen for not enough likes on her mirrors to Graham. Now I liked cracked up laughing it just because I was like, oh my God, I would've never even thought of Snow White. As like a because it kind of is a horror movie because basically the the Queen, the witch or whatever you wanna call her. She has the mirror her her magic mirror. The mirror. Mirror on the wall who's the famous of them all. And for the most part always tells her that she's a fierce over the mall. Then one day it tells her that she is not the fares. So she then decides to kill the prettiest girl in the village because she's not the prettiest anymore. And I'm like, God damn 'nice some jaded as. Just a dome like single life, female type like, okay, okay. Like I like if. I guess I don't know if you saw that movie, we shall Easter own where the Snow White like remake or whatever. What I tried to make like an action movie in head like the chicken play Bella in like the twilight movies. Yeah, Chris, Hemsworth and shit, but they try to make this whole thing about how she is part of Royal lineage, and it's not just about her not being the prettiest, but she had to kill her in order to maintain her rightful place on the throne is it was his whole just dome fucking thing. I don't know. I think Snow White is based off of some kind of because a lot of older Disney movies are just they're basically just stealing public domain stories and trying to copy write them into their own thing. Pinocchio and view Ian visa wanna shit like those are now original stories that Disney came up with. Those were just, you know, mythology that we're just in the public domain. They took and just try to copyright make their own thing with it. But Snow White, I believe is one of those as well. And yeah, that that whole thing about her wanting to kill the girl because she wasn't as pretty as she was. That's that's pretty fucked. Like like, don't get me wrong. Get jealous and wanna fight about how pretty they are. They think they are and all this other shit, but I'm just like damn us willing killed. I got him girl. You think mean girls would have been better film if there was murder. Oh, shit. Yeah. Or you had a talking mirror in it for sure. Oh, poor, Lindsey, low hand. Now now been wide. You have one as well too. Well. Yes and no. I mean, you mentioned scream. Couple months ago when I was at the barber he had screamed to or not to the fourth one. Oh, Wow. I've only seen part of that film. I just have one one part. I remember the girl who onto the killer which is like running headfirst repeatedly like into a mirror or something. I know I walked up. My roommate was watching that, and I busted a gut laughing because that was so fucking Larry's. But. The motivations like. I can't think of anything specifically. Derived within a horror film as a motivation. It reminds me a little bit of probably one of my favorite movies Heather's. Have you ever seen Heather's giving the synopsis Christian Slater basically kills a bunch of like uppity pitches simply for being constant. No, no, definitely. Nazi, no rider and Christian Slater. It's a late eighties like teenage, dark, comedy, fucking love it. That's basically the plateau. He kills a bunch of girls for being cons. Oh, okay. So it was like American psycho before American psycho. No, all the Americans know now, American psycho was more of a more of a deranged man. That's not to say his character wasn't arranged, but yeah, fall under the same genre. I guess there are. There are some similarities except of him being like his own psychotic Yobe. He's he's more of a kind of loner on Greece or type in a suburban high school. Okay. Another movie, it's going to be a v. film. Have you ever seen? God bless America. If you like the film falling down? Oh, yeah. I highly suggest you watch God bless America. That should had me laughing. Stars. One of Bill Murray's twenty eight brothers who. Somewhat in the same vein is falling down, accepted taken it more of a dark humor, dark comedy. Spin to it. We're basically he just gets upset and kill some people that annoying. Okay. Okay. And without getting too deep into it, that's basically the premise. So, yeah, I mean, I want to justify the killings in either that film or Heather's, like if you've ever just been so annoyed by something that you cut it in. I yes, I ended that sense with you cut it. Would definitely be two films for you that may kind of fall under the dumb motivations for killing people. I think that's fair. Yeah, because we're talking like horror, scary shift for Halloween in here. I'm getting my fucking rocks off at murder dot com. If you haven't seen either film or anybody, if anybody listen to this and have not seen God bless America or Heather's been highly recommends them. And I said that the third person, oh, finally figured out that word I was trying to use to describe like a series of of movies with different antagonists and protagonists that are still under the same umbrella in an dollar g. series. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm like a new would come to me. I, it would just be like on some random thing, you would say, and it would just make it click and I'm like that in that. That's what I was trying to say before. We have one more coming up next week for of the week for the end of October. And because I believe our last episode of this month is gonna come out on Halloween. Yes, yes. It's going to be on Halloween, so we're going to make that one the dumbest horror movie in general or just bad horror movie. I'm gonna. I'm gonna make a stipulation for it though. It has to be a mainstream horror movie, so don't come bringing some shit. Some b movie that shit. That was never released theater that only eight people who've seen including you and your three friends. Like it's gotta be something mainstream enough to where it had a wide release and enough people to make something that would be in pop culture. For the most part demos, people would recognize. So yeah. So I'm giving you a head start this week kids. If you wanna participate in dumpster the week. Next week will be the worst hor mainstream horror movie that you sane, but that's gonna be for the week for this week. So remember dumb shit of the week is your show. So sending your submissions every week will compile them, read them, shut you out for sending. So keep them coming. You can send it to us on Twitter at giant leap, and number four geeks to Email it to us official OG elegy, edgy mail dot com. So apparently discord is going to be working against me tonight. It's okay. No, you still got me here. So unfortunately. Yeah, discordant just completely shit the bed. So we lost been wa for the remainder, but it's all good still got me to sit here and sue the into a. You know something. Anyway, but our next door, he's going to be like Netflix and them just canceling every goddamn. So I wanna know just how is it that Luke cage got cancelled, but the range of all fucking things is still going on. Now, the ranch is that show with ashen cutter and one stone guy that he brought over from that seventy show who apparently has some kind of sexual misconduct allegations brought up against him. So now he's now on the show either that is still letting apparently, but not Luke cage, Ryan phys. Netflix, it's funny 'cause they used to be known for not cancelling shit. And now they are just like cleaning house, like top to bottom. I expected iron-fist to get the axe maybe even Jessica Jones, but not Luke cage. When Luke cage came out, it was a whole thing about how it broke Netflix, because so many people tuned in on that first day when it was released and they second season and other cancel. And it's just like, how do you go from being the hottest thing on Netflix? When it first comes out to one season later. The show was cancelled completely. Now, I don't know if this is some kind of shot at Disney because they're doing airstream service and they're not going to be putting anymore Disney content on Netflix anymore. And this is just a way to kind of undercut them or what, but it's odd to me that you would announce a cancellation of a show, a marvel show during the premiere of another marvel show daredevil season three. And just give it that just kind of take the wind out of the sales of daredevil because it's like, you know, basically, you're signaling vans like, hey, we're probably not going to keep doing his marvel Netflix shit. We're going to be getting rid of it, which is a shame because. The defenders was not a good show. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't very good IRA. Fist your shit, the punisher. It's not that great. At least a mile is, but at least daredevil Luke cage. And for the most part, just cajones. We're good shows. So I'm just surprised that they are just kinda just throwing them onto the dumpster right now. I mean, who knows? I mean held in a week, they might came daredevil who knows. But I just interesting. Like I said, Netflix used to be the place. You can go where it's like, hey, you know, if you wanna make sure that you have show for a long duration of time go over Netflix and you can stay on forever. But now some of these I'm going to talk about were not cancelled. Recently. Some have been the cancellation announcement was a few months ago, but this is just some of all the shows on Netflix canceled this year loan. So unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. A woman is rescued from doomsday cult and starts life over again in New York City. After being rescued from an underground bunker in which she lived the past fifteen years, Kimmy Schmidt decides to move to New York to have a normal life. It's a comedy. It was really fucking funny. The first season is God damn hilarious. The second season is pretty funny, and now it's just gone. Obviously, iron-fist a young man is bestowed with the incredible martial art skills and a mystical force known as the iron. Fist, Danny Rian returns in New York City after being presumed dead for fifteen years to reclaim his family company from herald meecham and his children ward Meech of enjoy Meacham. They're both fifteen years gone, I wonder. Oh, see, that's just did. Y'all could revitalize both of these shows at same time. I should have to Kimmy Schmidt iron. Fist crossover. There you go, boom, they're both in New York, come on man. Shit rights is self and obviously another one cage win. A sabotage experiment gives them super strength and unbreakable skin. Luke cage becomes a fugitive attempting to rebuild his life in Harlem in Masumi confront his past and fight a battle for the heart of his city. Like I said, I'm just shocked that they would cancel Luke cage after the reception at a guy during his first season. I don't know how people reacted to the second season. I know I didn't joy. I definitely enjoyed the second season Luke cage much more than I did the second half of season one, but I, I don't know. Maybe viewership just wasn't there this time. Who knows. Since eight is another one. The story of since eight begins when the psychic connection of eight strangers from different cultures and parts of the world is birth by a woman called and Jelica who kills herself to avoid capture by name may and name whispers. Now, since was was an interesting show because I always had a feeling that they were gonna cancel since just because it always seemed that the production budget was way too high on it to be a series on that flakes or really any network because they do a lot of globe-trotting in that show. Now, granted some of locations, I'm sure probably sets and stuff like that, and they're not necessarily going to all these locations, but I always thought that that show was spending way too much money on. Globetrotting and not having the story to really bring in viewers like they may have thought that they could or would who knows. None of what we got is house of cards set in present day, Washington, DC, house of cards. The story of Frank Underwood, Kevin Spacey a democrat from South Carolina's fifth congressional district and the house majority whip who after getting passed over for appointment as secretary of state the size to exact his revenge on those who betrayed him. Now, everything I've ever heard about, how's the cars that it's really, really, really, really, really good show. I have not had the pleasure of seeing house of cards by they are canceling the show basically because of the whole sexual assault scandal. Behind Kevin Spacey. He was fired from the show. They are finishing up the last season without him, but. Yeah, they're not renewing it anymore after this. That's just some. And I mean, here's like a couple of dozen more shows. Netflix canceled this year. I don't know if if because Netflix is notorious for not releasing its ratings numbers, so we have no idea how many people were watching this, how many people weren't. If there was some drama behind the scenes of why they canceled two shows or they didn't feel that there was just vacation to keep story going. I mean, who fucking knows it could be a multitude of reasons. It could be all those reasons. We don't know, and we may never know. But with the Morrow shows, in particular, I really do feel like Netflix is just making a point to Disney and their service streaming service. It's like, hey, fuck you. We don't need your shit and we don't want your shit like we're not gonna let you use us to make money on our platform when you're gonna turn around and pull your other content like your your Disney movies, your marvel movie, Star Wars and shit like that from our platform and I get it. I mean, I it's business is cut throat, but I get, I get it. I just hope then Netflix doesn't end up relying on just all these cold-case docu series and sitcoms like I don't wanna bunch of the ranches and I don't wanna bunch of you know how to make a murderer. Like I, I enjoy how to make murderer, and I just finished up season two. And I don't have anything against documentaries and stuff like that, but I just don't want everything on Netflix to be either some kind of comedy, comedic sitcom, and or documentary about some coal cases or serial killers or some such like that. That's, that's all. That's all I'm saying that's that's coming from with it. I mean, who knows they could with iron fist Luke cage in particular, they could maybe down the road do heroes for hire show, but now breath for that one because I have my serious doubts about the. Whether or not we're, we will ever see a return of IRA fist and Luke cage to Netflix in some capacity or another. I'm having my doubts about him maybe a cameo on just Jones or daredevil, but I don't see anyone creating a new show just to adapt for these two characters. But we'll see. Anyway. So I finally got here after the fucking fee Esco to ha- earlier with discordant been wa, and we actually have a super super special guests this week. We got DJ mills, boyfriend. Do you want to? Can we pick him a coolest nickname or some shit. Be like t- money sounds like. Kinda like that too morning. What do you think? I don't think very much very often. I guess. The brains do the thinking, the twin. So. Oh, so. Oh, yes. Oh yes. When I titled is like with special guest money. That once before. We were talking about you get like five hundred thousand his because oh, the rapper. He money on the t. when he gave you mistake. Oh, that's how you know his his, his whole career has plummeted. Right, right. Pretty. Don't be in our show. I'm doing private like show the breakfast club for hosting, we will have to what. So we all got a chance to go see, Halloween, twenty eighteen. I don't wanna keep calling just Halloween because I don't want to confuse it with the original rating which I'm like, this will be the third day name Holloway the original Rambis and now this now that's on. Yep. And I'm like, y'all got to do something to switch to shoulda. But this one is how to eighteen. It was directed by David Gordon, green and co written by Danny McBride. If you don't know Danny McBride is his do with like Jerry curl. Molly, that's all comedies and shit. A tropic thunder. This is the end of other shows. I don't know who. I don't know. He he's committee. He's actually really funny. So it was really interesting. He co wrote this because I was like, no one knows on the fake. Can't move. Yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So just to give you a little synopsis, basically, Halloween twenty eighteen takes place after the original Halloween, everything from Halloween to topping, Halloween, five or six. None of this. You haven't? They raced all that timeline. Yeah. So zombie ones didn't know nobody, nobody, nobody close to them. So this is just ill, Halloween, one, then Halloween twenty eighteen. Basically it's forty years after the original movie, and it's actually rely forty years as well. This on seventy eight and I was twenty eighteen Laurie strode. The only survivor from the original Halloween. She is still living and hadn't Illinois, and she has like super bad. He TST from what happened from the original. We like to the point where she pretty much panic room or house and she does target practice in the backyard romantic ins and on his crazy shit. And Michael Myers for the past forty years has been locked up an institution, and that's where we pick up with the movie, right? If you haven't heard one of our reviews before, what we are going to do is we're going to do the first half a non spoiler review and just kinda give original thoughts and stuff like that. We're not gonna go too deep into it. So if you haven't seen the movie yet, you can listen up until we give rating and then just skip the rest and come back once you've seen the movie or if you don't care about having oil for you, you can just listen to the whole thing the whole way through, but we will let you know. Spoiler it will be very of. You've never seen or heard one of our shows than you. You'll know trust me stay informed. There will be no questions by all. Yep, that was it. This this is so just giving like general thoughts. What did you feel about the plot to this movie? Not necessarily like the exact story, but what was your feelings on just the setup, how they framed how the story was gonna take place this time just in general. I thought it was kind of cool. There was a lot of Oma to the original in the way that the way that it played out the way that the characters interacted the way that it cut to certain scenes. I just thought it was very, very cool, very nostalgic for those of you who grew up watching these movies, fair, fair to money. Yeah. Yeah, I was assigned way like I grew up watching all the Halloween movies, you know, horrible and everything. So like I liked how they would like have all the little things that kind of like schuss. It just went as almost to all of how everything lit up. So this movie. I agree there was there was moments. This is a really a spoiler, but there's a moment in this movie where lorries granddaughter is in high school and she's sitting in the back of the classroom and in corner where Laurie set and in the original Halloween. She looks out the window. Michael is standing outside staring at her. And in this version when she looks, it's the grandmother, Lori standing on watching her saw like little nuts, the original, and there was little props and things like that, like this parts in a trailer. So this is a really spoiler but Michael walks into this woman's house to steal her butcher knife and that seeing is like almost shot for shot the same scene. But it's from Halloween too though, right? Because there's there's things that they do in this movie that are just to some of the other sequels even though the sequels don't exist in this time line that they've created. So it was like, I like that. They still acknowledged the fact that, hey, these other movies did. We're. Nothing that they happened, but we're not gonna thing happening there. Sure, right. Hey, we can say an alternate universe somewhere. This other bullshit happen, which is not in this movie is far as one of my favorite things about the movie, not the story, not the home, the kills and she'll like one of my favorite things about this movie was the music. I thought the score was like, don't like eighty since like like synthesizer type thing. Just give a little context to our viewing experience for the movie. We saw an AMC area and this was probably one of the most ghetto is moving. A whole. So much. So to the point where I never really realized this until just now black people love horror, movies. Yeah, I never realized how much so because sorta got now the area that we were in, it's like a mix. It's not a predominantly. That there was phenomenally? Yes, little black. I was just like, okay, and you know, there's always stereotypical thing where it's like, you know, if you were in it like. It was like it was like two degree, but there was bitches and bathroom talking about fighting some chicks. There was somebody got drunk at some point theatre either kick now or left or something they kicking gear or yet because she was fuck this. I'll give about this movie. Well, my take less willingly, but the security cop did come in and he took her Verne's or one of her friends to leave. He come in with his arms folded in walked to the front of. Born if ice thing. Get out of here. Right? I'm gonna have this, you guys, so so just keep that in mind as we talk about the movies. So. Win win. The title car comes up for Halloween, like the beginning credit start like start playing the Halloween theme. Yeah, and I have heard so many freestyle raps in audit shit too. Like that Halloween themed before. So what is thinning. This move to be. It was I, that is one of the things I enjoy about going to the movie. I like having experience with other people. I love watching movies in general, but I like being in a group of people because I can kinda feel it's the experience to all watch something for the first time together. Yeah, you know. So I mean, I guess just me some people don't like I know my girlfriend for amber. She was just like, I could tell she was pissed off because there was a couple of like right behind us would not shut the fuck up like they commented on literally every fucking thing that happened in the movie. And I was just like, no, no, no. Is one thing there next to someone you know them, but when somebody behind you, inner talking is just like, oh, my fun. I'm pretty sure that's how the people in front of us felt because front of us I completely went so the front of the theater they, they just left me. There was two people. This lady had like one of them old lady hats on, and she was sitting right in front of me and like. And she was not. She was like, they're not going to tack date home only lady. Oh, but with that being said that, that that is kinda help frame my attitude towards the movie because. Wanna crou- when shit would happen like moments where the crowd should react to shit, they reacted to it. Well, okay. I can deal with the other shit. But you know the, they brought Joan carpenter back to do the theme again, so I'm not gonna lie since I saw the movie. I've been listening to this movie. It is excellent pies me like, I'm not gonna live. You always do that though. I didn't listen to try for venom. I'll tell you that you don't like this. No us cable. You made us Marinko. You don't ever call me, so it's all right. Yeah. Well, I'll never hear it though. Either even just fact album associated with this shit bothers me. I think it, you know, I do like though that. I don't want to say that they took a realistic take on it, but to a degree they did, I liked that they establish very early on that Michael Myers is human as not some demon. He's not this dead thing. He can be killed. He is a man. He's just fucking crazy. 'cause I showed him like with him agent and everything like he's a lot older in this one. You know, it might be older but his his temporal, got a lot worse than this. Yes, yes. And you said about how he was aging? I did like the they. They don't fill on ever show Michael's face straight up, but you can tell all angle. Yeah. And grey hairs going. Yeah, he's he looks like a big as Bruce Willis from glass like we wanna go Astro right before. Oh, okay. A little book white jumpsuit on those. Okay. All right. They. But like I said, they used to have them, Mike. Myers is a man. He is not this just soup. Not a super shredder. Okay. He's regular dude. I think that's kinda why the got rid of some of the other movies from this time line because they are going into shit about hell. There was some Colt that had put some kind of Hex over Michael, and that's why wanted to kill his family, and it was passing on through the jeans and all this shit in a couple of the movies got real away. Yes, yes. The first one, the original Halloween, they don't really explain a whole lot in that movie and it's all the movies after that that they try to go back and like, oh, this is what he was doing this, and this is what I liked that there was no rhyme or reason to why he killed people. He just killed pretty much anyone who got into his fucking path, you know, and it was almost like he was his biding his time. He answered ward into, he could get out and kill again right there. We'll get to it in a spoiler portion, but there are some things that happen about two-thirds away into the movie. There's one thing that happens where because I had put up on Twitter, asking people like how they felt about the movie and shit, which I guess an interesting responses from as well. I had asked, you know, people who saw this any other and like for example, super movie Bros. on Twitter, they had said, saw Thursday night, thumbs up. And then someone bell to bell with Bobby blaze said, I love this movie. Nice callback, good scares and a frigging deadly killer and grave girls podcast. They said we saw we really enjoyed it big spook and they said it was so so good. And then I got one from basic or bike VA y que podcast day said in all caps, how the fuck did people think this film was good, quick explanation. Mark question Mark, exclamation Mark question Mark. So-so awful. And somebody else had said something to affect about how they thought that it was really bad. And if you had saw the trailer you had saw the home, do you agree with that. Not necessarily. I don't want you to give away your rating. I mean, do you agree that the trailer, spoiled, the movie? No, I don't think so. I don't either. I mean, it gave you enough the trailer enough to pull you in to be like, oh yeah, I want to see that movie, but not enough for us like the gave the gave all the good parts that move it. And I'll just paid a ten books, see his movie and art and always going to have exactly. I mean, don't get me wrong. They do show in the trailer, the scene in the bathroom in a gas station where he drops the teeth over the stall. That was cool, but it's everything that happens after that is the good part. That was just like the setup to that part. But I mean, I don't know. I didn't feel that there was anything in the trailer dead ruin the movie for me. I enjoyed it. I mean, we've seen some movies lately where you, we went to the movie and it's been okay. Why did I just pay money to see this exactly what was the last one we saw that was like that. Kinda sorta venom because they show a lot of that line. Then the trailer like him and other symbiosis fighting an audit shit. Yeah, but I know what you're talking about. There was something in recently is this like damn aid showed a lot of that day movie in a trailer. I don't know this. What did you think about the characters. And I had to go, I am. I am. MD in pull up the you know high. I can never remember the names of the characters like that one do in that one chick, so. But I guess specifically, what did you think about Allison cheese, lorries granddaughter. I thought she kind of fit in with like the whole. She didn't quite fit in with her mom's character. Sure. But she fit in more with Laurie's character. Let's say she as a person. She looked a lot like laureated in the other. The previous movies when she was younger, she was that age. She to me, she looked just like her. So I thought it did really job with that just because they could have just found some random person. Yeah, it is funny too because they got actress who resembles like a younger, Jamie, Lee Curtis, but the actress that plays Laurie's daughter don't look like her all here. Pretty much. Or. Yeah, Judy, Greer plays Karen, the mom. What about Allison's boyfriend. There's there's so much on that guy. We'll get to it in a spoiler part with their shit. He polls about halfway through the movie where you like, are you fucking serious right now? I'm like, you don't got to worry about Mike. Myers kill your outfit. Q. s. 'cause man, he violated bay and and he never gets his come up from it. Neither. Like to see Michael kill him off. Well, okay. He something that should have happened to him and he never never pays for the shit that he does earlier. And I'm just like really like of all the shit that people did in this that didn't deserve to get what happened to them. You let this line. All right. So yeah, there was there was some characters that kind of bug me. What about the sheriff. Sheriff of always share. From the regional. Sure. But it was things where I didn't like how played out with the sheriff. A whole nother story that goes to the thing that bothers me the most when we because what how? What happened with him? I was just like the fuck, fuck out of here like day the movie took a turn for a good five minutes where I was just like, I am not like this is going on. It got back on track, not long after before a good fight, ten minutes. I was lying on like this, like what is happening? What's my? The pin or the sores. So so. It's really difficult for me to try and talk about this. What else? Boiling, yeah, so. Okay. So just to go ahead so we can go ahead and get into it. On now to money. This is your first time on the show. So I don't know if you are rating scale, it goes from really fucking like liked it. Man. Hated it and really fucking hated it. Where would this fall in that five for you? Like actually liked this one more than any other halloween's. Like I really liked even the original regional. Okay. There. There is this, this was he's a really fucking like I would say, so too. No, because we. In Black Panther panther. I don't think I came over up for that one just yet, but still it would be if we had the point. Okay. No. Would you. Yeah, I'm gonna really like too big because she don't like or moves. I don't. At all. Okay. I. But I did enjoy this. And Michael Myers has always been one that's been on the fence for me originally was good. The second one was. Tolerable after that I do. I never watched one after that. However, I did watch the rob zombie. That one wasn't bad either the first or second first one. Okay. The second one. The second one is garbage. The first rubs on b. one wasn't wasn't as bad as people make it out. No, no, it's it's okay. It's basically a remake. Halloween with more of his weird shit in it. And then the second one, he just go full on Ravs AVI and I'm just like, I'm this Halloween, no more. Some other shit, like ghost mall. Okay, what is happening? But anyway, kinda thought I was watching. Thirteenth again. So did you forget where franchise. Facing up masters, shit, whatever. That's that's pretty good come from her because she's not a movie, horror movie buff at all. Like I remember we watched Oculus one night and right after we watched Oculus. She's like now Anita, watch minions because any watch something pallet cleanser. Yes, I did say that, but give some context. We were living in a little trailer house in the middle of the woods with one driveway in and out, and it was all dark, and this will made it better. That's a good environment to watch. You're supposed to be scared us the point. I don't like to be scared of it. Like in my journal. Ever since I was a kid, I've loved horror movies. I've watched like I said this before on our all the horror thing when we did try their team for seven. But I used to watch all the thirteenth movies every year because back on USA on Friday, thirteenth, they would just play Jason movies, all fucking day hill. So it didn't matter what time if you just tuned in, you just watch them. I should say. Yes, I'm signed me up for that shit. Yeah. We grew up watching FREDDY and Jason, Michael and Candyman like all of them. So people we sleeping on Candyman. I never seen it sleeping on Katie. I wasn't allowed to watch that kind of stuff. We've already discussed his. Caymans though the low is your rating before we get to far out of, I would say I really like the setup for how they say Michael, getting out again and how they're trying to continue to story. I like the characters for the most part. There were few there roaming the wrong way. There's a couple of things that happen. Like I said, about two thirds into the movie that really took me out of it. They were able to win me back over. I'm kind of conflicted because there's a lot of stuff that I like, but then there's person I didn't like thought it was a little too much comedy. There's. Joe favorable. There was some jokes that happened like during a killing. Okay. You're pulling me out of this moment where this poor girl is being murdered in y'all cracking jokes and shit. So that kind of there was never part where I felt scared. I thought that was there if you posited spooked me. I didn't jump not one. Very proud of myself. There was there was a couple of spooked me out, especially, I think the bus crash. It was like the first one. Like what happens to one of the characters towards that for fuck me of an, I felt like sexual for what the tone for the rest of movie was. But then there's something that happens not long after that. We're like, wait a minute, you this, why you ain't doing that. And I'm like, because we talked about this. I'm going to sell fucked up for, but I'll explain so because I am conflicted when I left I left on high, I will say that. So I'm torn between just liked it really fucking like the because I did really fucking like the movie, but there are some things that didn't quite get it there for me. So I'm just going to say, but he probably at liked it. I'm gonna because I did like the movie a whole lot, but it was just a handful of things like y'all just not did. It would almost been perfect. So just be a medium between them to levels somewhere. Good movie, right. So now we're doing spoilers. The thing that was bothering me. Now I wanted to see happen. There's a scene towards beginning of the movie, like right when Michael gets off the bus. Oh, quick. I looked over at you when it happened, but you didn't make eye contact with me, and I thought that you would then the whole setup is there's these people that are going to go visit Michael Myers to try and interview him or give him to talk anybody his mask and all that shit. And when it doesn't work, then go to lorries house and they go to the buzzer and the first thing she says like after they're like this, any other light. We're podcast. Oh, we're gonna get moded. That's awesome. That's great. I was like, oh, that's going to be us. And we're going to stay. Thought I just didn't didn't look at you, but I thought that was really fabulous. It'll be weighing throwing out no three grand, but. You wanna come on issues. Three thousand dollars to be just Alaska milk. Sour glass payment, but I. I one of the things that I really enjoyed that set up at the beginning was after the bus crash. There's before we actually see the bus crash. There's like dining son, and they're sitting here and in the sun, the Dez like sailing. I'm going to take, you know whatever. He was like, I just wanna dance. This, he's like thing. He's Oakland, would you next time, but I just wanna Dave, and it was so fucking funny. That was one of the moments where the comedy worked for me because it was it was something to make you care about because I think when a character can make you laugh in a movie, you care more about what happens to them. Sure. As opposed to just having just a regular old conversation. So when he thought they were going to get a lot more political than that, yeah, but they. Yeah, because then they wanna turn people often move. I mean, it's just enough to where, but what's up is a little boy. He's looking for his day with the gun and he's like that and in fucking Dr. 'certain he possibly. He's like, don't shoot his. Shit like actually come in. Like if you don't want somebody to shoot you, you just pop up and say, don't shoot. You said, hey, don't shoo. I'm going to come up from the floor in about an hour schedule. I'm like mental hospital wondering around, you know, shoes on a booby goddamn brain. He only hits you in a shoulder boy. After that, he sees that there's a guard like Landon grass, like dying. In the boy, he scared he's gone runner. He runs back to the car and gets in Mike was like in the back seat truck, which was a Ford truck or some shit. Because. Okay. And he liked breaks the little boy neck like on camera, and I was like, oh shit. From what I remember, Michael Myers has never killed a child in any of the Halloween movies. As far as I know, there's a couple where he's trying to kill Lawry's like daughter, Jamie, whatever fucker name is, but he never actually kills her. So it doesn't count this. The first time I've actually seen Killa kid, which why did kill that one and other. Okay. So all when they were trick or treating? No, he didn't kill the baby. Okay. Meeting kill the little boy little boy. Him to him the fuck out. When he came off the closet and cut debt girl, he's like no into the. I was like. Yeah, he said, oh shit. And then when she's like screaming, bloody law. Nope. Any jetted out? It was funny what it bothered me because I was like, that could have been a good moment of like terror in a kept undercutting it with jokes, and like every few seconds every time they cut back to the kid. He was making some kind of joke when he run downstairs, he sees boyfriend. He's like, oh, we're if you're up there screaming shit. He's like. Just like you're gonna. And I don't know. I thought that was funny, but I thought it was funnier because t- money sister sitting there and she's like, Yup, that's going to be my kid. Now most kids would be scared to death. Oh yeah, but I do know a handful of people or children. Sure. Our relatives that they're going to look at this crazy scene and they're not gonna have that compassionate. I gotta help. They're going to have that. The fuck out. Early business. Still been downstairs watching TV. None of this bullshit would have you. Should you should smoking on little piece, right? Right, right. She boyfriends haven't. You tried to get some big. Did. But I like you said, it bothered me in this is darker ship. I wanted him to kill the baby. I wanted him to murder. The baby is the scene. You see it in the trailer where he walks into the woman should he gets the hammer and he goes back in there. He kills her and takes the butcher knife. I didn't think they were gonna show her body, but the camera comes around the corner. She's dead on the kitchen table. And I was like, God nineteen seventy six. They wouldn't have shown the buddy twenty eighteen. They said, oh yeah, man camera angle like she looks fucked up in. That was one of the more disturbing kills because it wasn't like really glamorize. It wasn't a lot of screaming like she gets killed off camera. You can hear it and see the table in, but you don't actually see him kill her. You see the aftermath. I think we'll made it so like visceral deceit, his poor old ladies dead body there in as Michael's continuing to walk through the house, you hear this baby cry. Oh shit. He stops and looks at the crib, and he walks off. He doesn't do anything. And I was like, oh, come home. Like you should kill the baby. Now specifically look this up because I wanted to see if the director had commented on whatever the guy who made his David Gordon green. He says, I'm getting some CVS dot com. They said. For fans of the Halloween films. There's no secret them Mike Myers, his remorseless killer. However, in the newest chapter of the slasher franchising maniac refrains from earning an innocent baby and director, David Gordon green has since explain why the killer didn't well kill and why doesn't he? And he says, because that would be so rude green to- collider I think it was a consideration. He goes on to say. He goes on to say, God it, what does he say? Yes. I know. Yes, it's terrifying in its own. Right. And it was a last minute idea. I mean, why is there baby crib in the living room? He continue. It was gonna be her husband sleeping on the couch, but he didn't show up and we scramble to put a baby crib in there. And then, yeah, I thought it was interesting to see one ethical choice that he made in the movie. So that's the one ethical choice that he makes. So apparently that scene was supposed to be different than what it was gonna be a husband on the couch and he was gonna kill, but the guy didn't show up to film that scene last minute they decided to put a baby crib there. So I thought that was an interesting little, but this feel like he should killed the baby. No, I want to see him just go, hey, look at how he killed everybody else. He ain't just like. Like every time he kills him on, it was always like an extra shit and for no reason, like the guy sitting outside the bus. Okay. Not only just him, but the when he walks into the woman's house. She's on the phone. He's looking at a window. He comes up behind her while she's trying to close the curtains. He stabbed her in the neck which he does, but he likes slams her head in front of the cheer. I then stabs her neck knows like that. Would that what was that for. You know a lot of cues that he had. He had a thing for breaking people jaws in this because they would like the whole JAL completely. Dude at the gas station like that scene where he throws the teeth down and then they cut back and show the dude and his whole like mouth. Okay. The mass from scream how to joy do look like. And I was like, I don't know if you'll notice it, but whenever we was watching and I looked at Melissa whenever they walk into the gas station and they have the scene where it's the guest, the gestation Senate and in the begged Brown, yeah, the mighty hand just down as she killing somebody already. If you just talking to, and this is one of the things that bother me about the movie. This is one of those contrived moments where I was like. So let me get straight, Michael Myers broke out of the bus. Iota, bunch of fog is killed a little boy. So his truck, he just so happened to pull up to the same gestation at the podcast was Rhett who just so happen to have his mask in the trunk of the car. I was like a small town. Because I'm like, you know, he didn't follow them because there was no way he could know where they win. So he was just driving like going to the town I was killed. None of these mother fuckers in this town. Notice the guy a white prison jumpsuit because he was rolling around in the jumpsuit until he got the clothes when he kills mechanic and takes his right. If you remember when to podcast and the guy he's pumping gas, there's old lady just kinda look and I'm pretty sure she saw Michael and she was kind of looking at him. I might not want to go over right? She's gonna hit his look on her face into, do he kind of. It was just like, she knows she. Shifted going down over here, but that scene in the bathroom where he kills the two podcasters. That shit was so vicious in just he slam hates against the stall about thirty times the girl screaming, rain. Rarer ran like while he was busy, Bush Emma friends head open on even gone like slithered on that floor and out the door. One of the things I guess it was she on the floor waited too long, but, but at the same time, no, Michael biggest. I mean, she went for to get away for their bathroom only had two nos three stalls in it and then the door, right? So she would have had got past him to get to that door no matter what. So she was shook. I mean, I get it. Like I say that, but I've been scared. I'll be I one die. I really would be your problem. No, this is this movie had exactly what I wanted to have. A high body count lifted up. Seventeen people. He kills sees start to finish. There's like two or three guards on the bus, and then everybody else we see him kills Roman movie and I was like, God, any killed a lot of focus because when by the time he got to the part where he killed the net poor boy, the one who was getting fringe zone and he out. Out the white sensors. Oh, man. That was so much. That was some like me to moment notion because there's always that character movies where it's like he's like the loser. Do you know how he was trying to push up on his boy girlfriend? Oh, yeah. He ain't shit. You give me some of that pussy to me. I don't like you. We refreshes. I don't mean plus with the fucking this. And now this very all drug, she's like a fuck off of me. She hopped a fence. You see, Michael in the bushes, say he's also Mr. Doyle, whatever fucking news name. Oh, man. I'm just drawing just like the girl and you just couldn't. And I thought that was a nice little explanation for why Michael. So obsessed with Lori because he was like, oh, you ever seen a girl. He's wanted to be with her and you just couldn't have her. And is any other Michael wanted him to be like, I do. But that kill was cool too, because that was the one time where Michael did feel kind of supernatural because it was the most motion sensor light. Sure. But Michael kept moving without the light turning on. So when it would turn on, he'd be like a totally different spot and you'd be like, fuck you walk over here when I turn because at first he was often bushes in dart and then they come up. He like right here and it's like what the fuck golf game. He like over here and it's like. Okay. I like when the light I comes on and the girls like motion sensor lights, dumb ass. Fear an ally. He got caught because she plugging pushes down. He was trying to kiss her. Oh, no, I didn't do none us. Yeah, I love that land. He's like, Collor out, sewer the hill, and she fuck. Once once she can hear like this fear in his voice, she finally comes back, but it's too late. By that point, he got the hook up through the bottom here. Was straight through his jaw and everything. He looked like. His, I wanted them old rural movies whenever they be hit somebody and put it on the spike. What looked like? Right. What else? I like when he stepped on to. Okay. Okay, you back a second sure of to the baby thing because I was thinking about it too because to me whenever he didn't kill the baby, it reminded me of in the first Halloween that grabs me mate whenever he's a kid and he kills everybody in his family, but his little sister which is in the crib, and I was like, well, maybe that's impacting on mosh to that movie by him, not killing a baby because it was reminded him of his sister maybe a or like, you know, in maybe the reason why he didn't kill sister in rob zombie ones because he felt like she was only one that was innocent because rob zombie movie, they set it up like the reason Michael Myers is the way he is because his family was was kitty too. Right? Just. All this and. Because mom was a stripper, right? Right. So they was like, oh, yeah, he deserved to kill on him off because I guess he looked at the baby like what a baby ain't never Dami. No, right. Yes, which they go on to be like, oh, and that was his sister who's grown up later, blah, blah, yeah, boy in in. Because you brought up the head squish. Okay. So we gotta talk about Dr. This is the moment in the movie, took me guy drove me nuts to the home movie. He was the most like he's the most comic like cartoonish of all the movie because he's got this weird. Like Eurotrash accent. She going on his like, yes, Michael. Is this how it feels to kill. Okay. So pretty much in lower, even straight out, calls him on it. She's like, you're the new doctor Loomis. And basically that's what he is. Sure. All the way intil he takes his turn in like the sheriff fucked issue. We put it in all his Bush. He will. Right now don't kill them is to be alive. Fuck that. I'm shoot this month and he pulls up this little pin in all switchblade. Some shit comes out fucking stabs. The sheriff would it. Whoa. Now in other Halloween movies, they've had some shit like, oh, there's been people trying to help Michael eighteen you to kill and shit, but when it did it missiles like, oh, they're not doing shit from like the Halloween curse, Michael Myers, and I'm like, I don't wanna see them do that. Then he takes Michael's mask off. He puts it on for like a split. Second. I was like, if he becomes the killer for the rest of this movie often walk the fuck out. Because because one of my co workers, she said she saw Friday. She says she was. It was dumb. I didn't like all volley just talking about it. So when that moment comes up like this, Washington, like the movie, he would be the new, Michael Mayes. This is gonna make sequel the real like. Because he looks so goofy share, Jackie? Yes. But he's, he's like, he's like four fall, Michaels like eight feet tall, and I was like, oh, man, I did like though, how. Allison, trying to like play him and she's all like, oh, he spoke to me in a, yeah, he's what did he say? She's like, pull over. Let me on. I'll tell you establish that Michael's knocked the fuck out in the back in the mask is just in the seat and you're like, talking back and forth. He's like, tell me what he said and you can start hearing. Can breathing basking showed at the mass hand are switching. Man. I was like, that was a good moment. He fucking this fucking he starts kicking. The back of the screen are slamming his head into the fucking sneer wheel. And I was like, yes, kill his. As you drag him out of the car. I don't remember what he says to Michael ripe for he steps on his head though he says something he was asked him if it was the Korea. He's, he tells them to say something. Oh, okay. Who is though. It might not be Michael sister beginning. Okay. The the sister that he killed in originally radio. Okay. The one that they flash back to, you know, titties hanging. The only new to the movie is from nineteen forty year old titties. What blood all over. The doctor was tagged ising asking if that's what was what the one thing, new shoe. I just say something and then he squishy dudes. That was one, like I said, Dr star Tena was the cartoonish of all the kids in that kill was the most cartoonish of all the kills in the movie because his head just blew up. It was Trillo. Like whatever it was. 'cause I was like what he did, the whole Peter was like. I didn't see that coming because I thought he was going to stab them or some. Sure. But no, he's fucking you just squished as so by the time we get to the the house Loris house. Yeah, this is this is some of the best parts of the movie in some of the not worse, but questionable parts movies. Okay. By the very end, Laurie's daughter was pissing me off to home of. Yeah, has banned PT as. Bam. PTSD clearly point where like she cannot function like a normal. Right, right. And she's like, get over mom. This why we don't want you function bomb. Here's a fuck up mom, and I'm just like this bitch should. In the flashback to lighthouse she weighs. So she putting raise her like the Terminator shit as she. But when she go down, she's. Didn't she train you like martial arts. They have flashbacks. We was watching like the Electra movie for a minute because like she don't come FU and punching bags shit cocking guns. It'd be all excited for that. Why? Why she turned you into like black widow from the avengers. And she was just like, I don't know. I just make brownies and drink pumpkin spice lots as now, and I was like. But by the very end, they did kind of redeem her character for me because. Michael up. Yeah, that was good. She's like, I can't. I can't do what else you. I'm sorry. And Michael came around the corner like he was also pinch like this. Like this. Got you. Did she show him in the head or was it as I think she is neck bone area because I saw blood, go this way. Oh, she killed him in any fall or. No? Sorry, Jamie Lee, Curtis hit some. Did he fall down the stairs. The reason I say this one, the best parts of the movie is because there was multiple times Jamie courtesy of fucking die like he breaks through the door and grabs her body hints or slamming picture of health and. The second floor? Yes, I thought for sure. Like from that moment on it was going to have to be like glories granddaughter that was going to be the one to take him down because he kill her like another to the Michael Ma thing because he looks away and then he lives bag down and she is gone from the ground and it was like she pulled a, I on my. It was funny. It made me think about the dark Knight rises part where cat woman disappears, Batman. He's feels like I was like, that's Michael. The say. The head during that moment like, okay, all right. That's how it is. But yeah, because she fights him up stairs with a mannequin and shit in how he kills the cops, like he makes the one cop head into like a Jack lantern ish. It. Fucking crazy. I was like, oh, man. But again, it kind of me because I've heard people kind of question like, well, why does Michael kill the people that he kills? And if he's just as mindless killing machine wise, he going after Laurie. My thought was she's the one that got away. Yeah, you Michael. Michael wasn't like necessarily seeking her out, but once he saw her own, I gotta kill her. That's like his Moby Dick. That's his white whale. Like he was like, she's the one who got away. I gotta kill her. Everybody else was just like, if you buy yourself and catch, you slipping you getting right the her people argue why cute a babysitter because that's what he does, like, what are you talking about? Babysitters are his MO when when at the beginning before he goes and kills the woman with the or after he kills the woman with the hammer butcher knife, he's walking up to this black girl dressed in a nurse's outfit and get into a car right before. He gets ready to kill her boyfriend. He's like, he's your stops lesson. Dr. Michael is a killer of opportunity if he sees an opening so he can kill you. He will do it right. If there's too many more book is around, he not gonna fuck around because again, they established, he is human. He can be killed. So he nothing to put himself in a spot where it's like fight like six, seven, fuck they all got guns and shit like no catch you slipping. We'll get you. I'm not gonna put myself in no open spot. He's not Jason where he can just walk into. Take bullets like today. Michael is a killer of opportunity so he hid in the closet to kill the baby. Sitter. You know, he in the bushes to kill them off talking dorky drunk kid and shooting. I mean, honestly, if you want to take a real far reach, you can you can say that he's killing those that are doing things they shouldn't be doing tro Cherubin is like, I don't think that I don't. I don't. I don't. That applies to all that it would be a reach. But I mean, if you're going to, okay, well, the babysitter is trying to screw her boyfriend and smoke weed instead of take care of the circuit. Sure. So then yes, she's gotta get. It would've killed the candle today. Show at the kid win, did it. He'd have been like exactly here. 'cause over people argue like, oh, well, you know, because it hold drunk, alcohol, and sex and stuff. That's why he killed the kid out in the gate. You know, because he was drunk Toronto, advantage of girls like, yeah, but then he tries to kill her to really make sense. Meyer. He's not Jason. Exactly. Jason does. Jason does the revenge killing because he the camp counselors fucking and let him drown. So he goes kills camp counselors. 'cause they weren't doing their job? Exactly. Mike, Myers don't do that shit. So you one thing I do wanna see, boyfriend get it the hell that put her phone in the fucking pudding. So there's a part where they go to because he seems like a alright dude up until that point. But until they go to the days he gets his little flask. He get drunk at the Dan, and he caught making out with some bitch on the dance floor. And she was just whispering. In my ear funky I want to look at the camera. Like I was like, man, she so she's like, all suck off. You ain't shit in like her mom is trying to color because you know Michael's Intel writer. He straight up snatcher phone on her, hey, throw it into pudding or the foot. Bullshit. My thought is it was just putting it. It's not liquid that I my first thought to was you a lot of that shit on the phone. She don't even get it. She sees in there and like. Like. Put that rice laters just like, oh. Oh, you moms calling your you on the phone again. So he takes it out of hand and throws it in the foot and and he's like, oh, so you wanna get that or do you. Walked up. This was that you. I wish you would win Mike Myers on them. Guys on the back of his head year. She got the knife, she might the next movie. She might go kill him. 'cause I was just thinking the whole time white. Backing, you got caught fucking up because you drawn tried to blame. And didn't it on her and act like, you ain't. You didn't do shit and she shouldn't be ignored or whatever eagle take are sitting for it. I'm like, men. I thought for sure right when it happened. Oh, yeah. Even. Michael, Myers go come out the put. But the fact that he didn't bug me so much. I was just like, are we for real right to dismiss this here? It was what about what about what about the day? Because he was. Just fucking Lynn. Deserve to die like first of all, when Laurie come to the house and they don't have any kind of security system, they don't have anything. I protect my family. She should show fucking have a gun gun Donald. Joe occurs. House I could pertain night. No, you can't. You're ridiculous. Like they're in the ground there in lorries house, and then you see the cop Comcor pool up. And then he goes outside acts like the twelve thousand bowls that she has on the damn door and goes outside like she has this whole house down like four knives, and then he just opens up the door and goes in outside, oh, did you find Alison who about a die? Obviously. When they had the little power that said, stay in the house, he missed them. There's a psycho killer out there. He missed that. I did like how she had a plan because a lot of these horror movies they win, win, win, win. It's like especially when it's a sequel men like they're trying to set the killer up the kill them. This next I, they never really have a plane to stop him. She had she completely thought Al hilli way. She had that house set up like you couldn't get any through the windows and shit even know he does break through the little slits in door. He couldn't get in that way. Right? And he had well, he eventually did because he broke it in lifted Dame. But I mean, look, he Mike Myers. He was getting navigate one way or another. What rooms? Well, I tau she had the room set up to where and when she cleared ring and make sure nobody was in there. Down, come down and lock the room on. So that way he can never go into a differently. Right? So every time she would clear one room, she's like, I know I'm good from here back. I'm good. So everything. She was just kind of putting him into a corner and going further further house. And I thought that was really smart. Boy. This one scene that made me go like, are we sure Michael is human because they have this like paint green thing. We're like the islander in the kitchen fold back and goes into the cellar and ship, and I thought, oh, he go find a remote and figure out how to open. He's rip this garage. If I'm if it's me and I see something labeled garage, I'm gonna open. It grows. Right, right. And be like whole, what's this do? And he destroyed up rips the whole fucking thing out of the floor. And I was like now to be fair to take a few try hinges two year boy way. He ripped vegetables like, yeah, you off. Fuck man. Because at that point I was like, he lift him off his head on seven year old man year, listen shit. I'm like, y'all just now. The one thing that's what's the ending shouldn't a house of some of the best in the movie, and some of the most questionable shouldn't movie is very movie trapped. They explain. They're like, oh, this is this is not a shrapnel which I didn't like that line. I thought she was going to buy is not a cage. It's a tomb or grave, or some. Choice aware trip, whatever. The one thing that bothers me is that got him in the basement, the shut the thing, they all say, look at them, the houses filling up with gas and she's lighting. The flare to run on cinema, fire. That would have been a perfect moment for them all to have went and got a gun and shot and killed his as right in inventory. He was a little fish in Vero. He had nowhere else to go. They could just near as spoon our to live. His s up like a goddamn neck and he'd have more holes in him too. He would have been just Swiss cheese. By the time we was done, then I would've said his ass on fire just to make sure there is no fucking way hill. He could ever come back of heard. People argue that you don't see his body wants. The basement catches on fire. I just took it as demonstrative learns ill. -ill shit. You know what I'm saying? Like he just found out he's on fire. People are reading into it like its sequel teasers, and we was. Us where to God that I read somewhere that there was a stinger at into this shit. Boy. Into that. We were so stupid. Okay. It was just our crew that stay behind. We all no way is going to be so many all these these leaving. Anglesey security do Barney. He, he stayed in a whole time. He was at the back of laughing and we get all the way to the in credits. And there is a moment at the very end where you hear Michael breathing, like through mass, maybe that's what they were talking about. So maybe I guess it's, but then he comes up and he's, Yup. No singer is just in the more movies. Bitch, if you knew why you way say something about like halfway through these longest. Credits to ten fifteen minutes man, like he just. School, I say, fuck figure it out. I don't want them to make another one. I got that there. To me, that was a good way to end in the fridge. Good way to in all of it. I mean, you know, Laurie gets what she always wanted. And Michael's done three generation of strode women who survived him house, the grandmother, the mother and the daughter all the other. They kinda hinted that maybe the daughter might be crazy now because she still had the night that she stabbed Michael weight and she didn't let that shit go. And I'm just like, I don't know if that was supposed to be like, oh, now sheaf been half PT as fuck. Could be. Killer now or some shit can be like online to the how the rub zombie ones in the because the way that one ended was the, she goes to the sister goes to the crazy house, and then they end it like that with her being like all Fula grew, you know. So I mean that kind of played to the same thing to me. I could see. I could see that. Don't worry about though. What else can you do after that? I mean, they, they got him good. I mean, they bend to fuck fucking rights, but I don't like they torched the house. What else can you do at that point? But again, you can make the argument what he didn't shoot him in the head, which I'm like, Yasha just blew hidden. Did you see that arsenal? She hadn't it damn basement, but that's, that's the thing I was thinking about it later when I was making this argument. I'm like, did they have guns upstairs too? Or was it all in the downstairs? Okay. All. Letterhead one in her hand, which she went back because she has used them from the basement back up shock on with her own shifts. A rifle k. s Oni for like kill shot. So those are her initials, Karen strode. Oh, that was her. No, she was. She was kids. One of her mama was trained through shroud oughta gonna see a little girl. That's that's fair. That's carved it in. Okay. Okay. So maybe she didn't take it up with their? I dunno, still, man. I took a stick him in poking. That. You could read through, but that was the one moment in a movie word. Michael felt like a real person to me because I felt bad for him. He seems sad because they had locked him up. He knew loud, fuck, very, he's just standing there staring at him like he don't move. He don't try to like keep reaching atom all crazy. Like being desperate. He their life something I'm, he's new like me. Right. That's it. And I was just like, damn, I fill a little bit bad. Just little bit fill like he was back in the penitentiary shit. I'm oh, I just got out. That won't let want sort of ak- to one. Oh, we're the best. Jay. Valley mill. Right? Go. Right, right. T money this summer. So is there anything else before we wrap this up that you want to address in the movie? Anything you like, dislike, agree or disagree with any of the people's comments about them? Not like in a movie. You're liking it. I mean to each their own, there's a lot of people that like certain movies that I can't stay in and there's lots of people that agree with me on movies that. No, no. I mean, I liked it. I liked it for what it was. I liked it for what it was supposed to be. I thought it was pretty good, and that's what I would see it again. It was I was talking about friends at work today. I kinda wanna see it again. I'm like, I liked it that much. I would go see it again too. I too much shit we need, but I'm like if I had a movie besides like Infinity war and shit, and I would go to the and this year probably be. I, I rather enjoyed it too. What about you. Yeah. Into like, I really enjoyed it and is like whenever we was talking after the movie of his leg up that it's a good moment for black people and ain't no black people died in this movie. The couple earned just up the nursing Dr little life. He's in California somewhere about now a, he stopped writing. For sure that I don't know who he would have been if the one new share, but he was a black new to cowboy the deputy. And he was like. Was waiting for him to get. I noticed some smoke. He would have been the first one. This is still in Illinois. Why? Drizzly? He came on a Texas. I'm just like. Aware cowboy, Illinois. Anywhere. Yeah. I guess, look, he was living his best life. Do you like, hey. It hasn't comedy in the movies, so you know they have Mike alight kill them and then where to head all. Because that that was one thing that kind of took me out of the movie too, but it was like, hey, it's a Halloween movie. They gotta have these things in it. Michael takes the time to like dress up his victims. He's like making Jack Landers out of the Hades. He's like fucking putting the sheet over the girl to maybe. Ghost like an Omaha. She the first Halloween just like, would he do all that though? He was making a philosopher. Savor every last one he said, I'm not gonna. Let me. I'm now for the make it out of this night. Like somebody kill me this fucking time often do everything. They wanna do these last forty years. There's was very impressed. There weren't any rape scenes. You go. Mug, Myers is not ever been a rapist killer, but you know there there's always naked cities from the first one. There wasn't any nudity. There wasn't any kind of naked like the babysitting get the fucking. I mean, there was making out on the couch. Before these than I think I think they were trying to make it a point because they had such strong female characters in this that they rely. We ain't just to be a bunch of corneas you know, teenagers notice bullshit, right? I mean, look, if you even Issing Laurie titties in his shoe. Jamie Lee. Curtis good also say for her to be sixty years old. I was like, she was when she was down here, clean her guns and all that shouldn't header take on. Like I'll say you, but it's near the hairbrush, but they. Late in her PTSD. Yes, that crazy. Cat lady looking off. She got a fucking Uzi in the base. But yeah, overall, I would definitely say if you haven't seen the whole twenty eighteen and I hope you have, you listened this, but if you haven't seen the movie in your considering going to see we've literally spoiled every fucking thing in the movie. Just listen to this podcast again, I know, but I still say no, we're talking time supported. Definitely almost didn't quite but almost out girls venoms opening weekend. I was. It will almost took the number one spot for biggest opening October. I was wanting to please take vit- amount of that gun, but it didn't. But people people are like making debates. Oh, I hope they don't make another one. I think they should. I hope they're gonna make another one like this movie made too much fucking money off at a budget they had. They're making another one. This is Michael Myers, like there's already live in them so they're gonna make another one are kind of thing that it would be good. Like I love the Michael Myers, the Halloween series, but I think that they should end do with this one if you're gonna pick one into this one. I agree. Yeah, because this is the one besides h two all where she cuts his fucking head off and then they will find a way to bring them back. Oh, wasn't him? He put his mask on a different do fuck. But yeah, this would be the time where I would finally say like. Put the series to bed. You've told every store you can tell at this point. I mean, it's been forty years. True. True. What what else goes for forty years? But I mean, again, no way. Forty years. I means he's only like fifty. I feel like they should have a three way battle between Freddie Jason and Michael Myers that movie Freddie versus Jason versus Michael, just versus Katie man versus the Saul puppet versus the scream. Do just put them all like a celebrity, death match Royal rumble movie and put a new puzzle movie that's coming out. Oh, scape review. It'd be alien vs predator versus Freddie versus Jason Mike over. Vs Batman versus superman vs always gonna be great. It'd be the Halloween nightmare. Can't Chris. But yeah. That's it for the show. I think we've covered literally everything that I was planning talking for for this one. This one, I appreciate you coming home and doing winners. We've always tried to get money to come into it, but he never wanted. We finally made him watching movie with so he had to do it plus, what's fuck else was he gonna do just see here. Listen to his talks. Exactly. Exactly because I'm like, you can't watch it because you've got to be quiet. It's like, well, sorry, go ahead to do it this time during my little. Right, right, right. But I warm enough for you get your point. No, don't put him to sleep ROY. Right? She's like, no, we gotta go home, but I do really appreciate you coming on this. What is fun the next time we go see a movie now you will have an excuse to do this or move. Sure, sure. Okay. I'll be special. Metairie with. Oh, yeah, definitely going. Are you wanna see the escape removing because I. January though. Yeah. So we're we're booking movies for next year pretty much because it was funny because me and my girlfriend, he'll probably go see with us. Oh, really? Was thinking about going on. But like the movie. This attempt to make you like hockey because we know he wack. But look, we got Jason momoa. That's my, but. Me and my girlfriend. We were talking about doing this thing on Facebook that sina post about about where like this couple picks like a different restaurant to go to every week and shit enlighten us. We'll have their phone. I saw the post together and I was like, you know. And so we were talking about doing it on Saturday. So I figure if we do that, then we can all go. And now it doesn't have to be every single week if there's week that we're going to do a movie review, right the next week, then we can use that day to go see something. So we'll get down with that because I'm like, I, I had fun, especially going with a group into. We have, maybe we can get that group to, you know, go do other things besides watch movies. Not that I don't love to watch movies, but I'm sure that if the ten of us got together, we can do an escape the room and then we can see who can survive. Muscle. Listen, watching the preview for the escape rumors, early wanna, see that movie, and I really wanna go to us. It's inescapable because I've never been in Abram before we went from, I always wanted to do. It's fun. It's how he kind of thinking more along the lines of cards and beer. But. Sure. Scape. We can get an escape room to has a dick cores and a little little Ciller some playing cars being on escape. Depends on what core game. To the room catches on fire. Dial that looks like oven, Tim. Or if you do turn into fair night for fifty one or some, I don't know. But anyway, kids, we're gonna. Let you go. That is for the show. 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Fri. 04/17 - Rockstar is working on a new GTA and making life better for its employees and Gamescom and Oculus Connect are going ditial

Gaming Ride Home

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Fri. 04/17 - Rockstar is working on a new GTA and making life better for its employees and Gamescom and Oculus Connect are going ditial

"Now more than ever teams must come together and work together to solve big challenges and Trello is here to help trello part of Atlassian collaborative sweet is an APP with an easy to understand visual format plus tons of features that make working with your team functional and fun with Trello. You can work with your team wherever you are. Whether it's at home or in office keeper workflow going from wherever you are with Trello try. Trello for free and learn more at TRELLO DOT com. That's T. R. E. L. DOT COM. Welcome to the gaming ride home. Podcast for Friday April seventeenth. I am Kyle Hillier. Here's a whole bunch of video game stuff that happened recently. Rockstar is working on a new. Gta and improving its work environment. According to a report games calm and oculus connect or both going digital as a result of cove in Nineteen cyberpunk twenty. Seventy seven is teasing. Maybe a special edition. Xbox one console and Naan Jolla is getting open Beta Rockstar is working on the next grand theft auto and making cultural changes to address crunch. According to a recent report from cocoon now former could talk writer. As of yesterday Jason Schreier posted perhaps his final story to the website on Wednesday all about crunch culture at Rockstar and how the wider company is making genuine efforts to address and dissuade it. Crunches a practice. The video game industry is notorious. For where near the end of a large project? Like red dead. Redemption to for example employs work incredible amounts of overtime or to deliver a final product on time. Rockstar was heavily criticized for this practice when red dead redemption to was nearing launch an Rockstar Co founder. Dan Houser said he and his writing team working one hundred hour weeks to finish up the game since that time however things have apparently improved according to shriners story which spoke with multiple Rockstar developers about the changes that are being implemented over time that was previously required in certain branches of Rockstar. Offices is now optional. Employees have more options in terms of setting their own schedules. And during this time when many rockstar employees are working from home? The company is apparently very explicit in its encouragement toward making sure. Employees are focused on staying healthy and not feeling the need to be working constantly. It all sounds positive steps for the company but this is also a time at the developer where it is not sprinting. Too Get a game out the door which led to a very interesting paragraph enshrine shriner's story which reads one plan that management has laid out for the next game. A new entry in the grand theft auto series is to start out with a moderately sized release which by rockstars standards would still be a large game that is then expanded with regular updates over time which may help mitigate stress and crunch this potentially confirms what has been a safe assumption since the release of redemption to that a new grand theft auto entry is up next for the studio but. I think the really interesting idea here is scaling back a little bit at least for its initial release. I really love single player. Rockstar campaigns and part of what works so well about them is admittedly their length by the end of red dead redemption to. I felt like I had lived a full cowboy life but I would not be disappointed to play a shorter campaign with the option to expand the story in the future. I really like grand theft auto four's DLC campaigns and still sad that grand theft auto five never saw comparable single player expansions as Rockstar. Went all in on grand theft auto online. I'm still hoping red dead to seize some kind of single player. Add on content the original Red Dead Redemptions undead nightmare edition was strange but fantastic and I would love to see something similar for Red Dead Redemption. To in any case I liked the idea here shorter grand theft auto campaign which will still be big. Because I don't think rockstar can do anything small with more expansions over time I would be all about that model games. Com will take place digitally later this year as shows like e three in packs gaming tournaments and other various video game related gatherings and events have been canceled one after another games. Com has been the holdout sharing statements that basically said we're prepared to cancel the August event if necessary but we're not cancelled yet. That is until now on Wednesday. The official at Games com twitter account tweeted even though not all details are known at present the nationwide ban on major events until the end of August will also affect the planning for Games com twenty twenty. Furthermore Games come twenty twenty will definitely take place digitally. We will provide further information shortly and then as promised yesterday morning it provided further information with a tweet that read it's official. Unfortunately Games come will under no circumstances take place on site in Cologne this year. Just like many of you. We are disappointed because as the Games com team. We have been working on a wonderful games. Come twenty twenty four months just like the many exhibitors however it is also quite clear to us that in the face of the corona pandemic. We must stand united. This means that we must all be considerate of each other and reduce the risk of infection. We are however already working at full speed on a digital games calm. It is after all the world's biggest event for games and that's what it should be again this year. You can already look forward to how we will celebrate the best games and games come together with you and millions of gamers worldwide at the end of August even if it will be digital and not on location this time because one thing is certain this year two games come is and will remain the heart of gaming. I don't know that I've ever heard Games com referred to as the heart of gaming but CHIRP. I will trust them on this. I think is interesting. And frankly exciting but they are already so committed to a digital event where the ESA kind of shrug their shoulders when it had to announce three was cancelled. And kind of said. Yeah you know digital event. That seems like a cool idea. We'll see and then a few weeks later said a digital event was not happening games. Com could still end up being one of the larger gaming events of the year. If it is in fact still pushing forward with digital event plans we still have plenty to learn about xbox series x and playstation five so I am sure there will be lots of exciting announcements coming this year but an August digital games com event might be the only time we see a bunch of announcements consolidated into one timeframe. This year I guess we'll find out in a few months speaking of events changing due to cove in nineteen oculus connect is also going digital this year. Oculus made the announcement recently that its annual conference is also going digital on Oculus his website and wrote in a blog post in light of the evolving public health risks related to Kovic nineteen. We've decided to shift oculus connect seven to a digital format later this year. This was a tough decision to make but we need to prioritize the health and safety of our developer partners employees and everyone involved. Oc seven oculus connect gives us an unprecedented opportunity to connect with our global developer community. Oc seven we'll be no exception and we look forward to sharing more details about digital event in the coming months we remain committed to the city of San Jose where we've hosted oculus connect in the past and its community as we've done for F. Eight will donate five hundred thousand dollars and will prioritize organizations serving local San Jose residents. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Were excited to help the Vr community come together in a digital format with Otzi seven I like VR games. I recently talked your ear off about half Alex. Oculus connect usually brings about interesting announcements. And I think OCULUS had a good year oculus quest which is still my favorite. Vr headset in the one. I recommend to anyone interested in checking out the platform. Seems like it sold really well as it was hard to find for awhile ahead of the release of Half Life Alex so I am curious to see if they have any big announcements this year. I think I just WanNa see more exciting oculus quest exclusive games se exclusive specifically because I want games that are specifically again made with quests limitations in mind as opposed to OCULUS RIFT Games. That are ported to quest. I also want more official beat sabre music tracks more varied artists and different musical genres. I want an M. Eighty three music. Pack I want the album junk and beat Sabre debt game deserves the rock band treatment of just a big store filled with all kinds of musical options but it still feels pretty limited today working remotely can be a challenge especially for teams. That are new to it. How do you deal with your work? 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It's not the most exciting thing to tease. Frankly but I always liked those games. Pacific Council's I'm always happy to see more exist. I guess we'll find out what this is. All about. In Three Days Knin Jolla is getting an open public Beta later this month then. Jolla is a platformer multiplayer game that is reminiscent of S- platoon. At least in. Its approach to visuals gameplay wise though it's more about running along walls and leaping great distances you can hit your opponent with a bat. It has been in development for awhile but it is nearing release and ahead of that release. It will be getting an open Beta. The Beta is on April. Twenty eighth and twenty ninth and will let players try out four of the Games weapons in eight player competitive matches. All you need to try it out is a switch and an online connection. Apparently you won't even need a Nintendo switch online subscription to play which is nice. It's a slow week for game releases so I've only got one right now but a fold apart is out today on. Pc switch and IOS by way of Apple Arcade puzzle game about making a long distance relationship. Work by solving platforming puzzles based on folding and flipping the environment around as necessary. It's coming to xbox one and ps four at some point in the future as well. These games are not out today but they did. Recently receive release dates streets of rage. Four will be available on switch xbox one where it will be part of game pass playstation four and a PC. On April thirtieth. I had a chance to play streets of rage. Four at Pax West Twenty eighteen and the thing that struck me most about that game was just how freaking amazing it looks. I don't really like classic. Beat em ups as Genre. They kind of feel like a game where you continually punched the air until an enemy walks into your fist which. I don't find superfund but streets of rage. Fours animation is incredible. The game looks so slick so even. If you aren't interested in playing you should still go check out a trailer or something just to see it in action also not out. Today is star wars episode one racer for switch and playstation four but it does have a release date now after being previously announced as just coming out at some point game will be available on. May Twelve on playstation four and switch and it will come with some improvements. The F. M. V. cut scenes will all be up res- The controls have been re mapped. Which was apparently something more complicated than you would assume. Crisp sharp brand manager at a spear the develop reporting the game wrote in a recent playstation blog. Post about the controls. This might sound trivial but to really feel like you're piloting a pod. Racer takes a very special touch the controls that captured the thrill of pod racing in nineteen ninety nine simply. Don't feel as natural on the modern controller but our team was dedicated to creating the ultimate pod racing experience you can expect controls that feel natural and modern on playstation four game will also have trophies. That's it for gaming news today. I'm still playing fancy seven remake. Still still really enjoying it. I finished up chapter seven today actually right before recording this episode IV streaming it in now hanging out with the flower peddler in her church. Still really enjoying that game. I think it speaks highly of it that I don't really have any nostalgia for the original. I am just enjoying it on. Its own merits of which there are many. I also somewhat randomly finished watching. Netflix HAS CASTLE. Vania show and I really enjoyed it. The end of season three is bleak in a way that I really like. I am a big fan of darkest before the dawn type entries in larger stories like empire strikes back or dark tonight. I like when things end on a Downer note and you're just kind of left wondering how are we coming back from this and that's definitely how Casanovas third season ends. It is definitely satisfying and the final action. Sequence is really fantastic and thrilling but I am eager to see how the events of the finale affect the characters moving forward especially hector. He is in a bad place for sure. The show also really makes me want to play a castle. Vania game based on that take on the castle. Venus story I think got art style could translate to a great to Castleblaney game and playing his either Trevor or Sipho could work as they each have a whole set of really impressive abilities. Plus there's enough space in that story where I think a game could tell a pretty compelling little side story Trevor and Sipho clearly spent a lot of offscreen time walking around and beating up monsters and I would like to see all of that. You know won't holding a controller in my hand if you have corrections or feedback in general feel free to send me tweets or DM's to either at Kyle Hilliard. Right Gaming Ride Home. You can also send me an email. Kyla ride home dot info. Please think about leaving a review for the podcastone. Whatever platform used to listen to it? And you can also check out my twitter account highland personality. I don't know what I'm going to be playing next. I beat Black Mesa. I played a little bit of final fantasy seven. But I don't think I'm GonNa continue data just kind of jumped in the middle so that email address in the twitter accounts. I just mentioned ten me some suggestions about what I should play. Because I'm not sure right now. And then you can also find me on the mid Mac show for more long form video game discussion. I will talk to you more about video games on Monday.

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No PSX This Year - Kinda Funny Games Daily 09.28.18

Kinda Funny Games Daily

46:25 min | 3 years ago

No PSX This Year - Kinda Funny Games Daily 09.28.18

"What's up. Everybody welcome to kind of funny games daily for Friday, September twenty. Eighth twenty eighteen. I wonder your host, Greg Miller alongside those baby blues, Tim gettys. Let's host verified on Instagram, be the rumors are true. Tries me crazy. Kind of funny morning show goes into my personal health finding out of the toilet today that you got verified and I have not been nice. It was really nice, Tim. Usually we'd be around a lot here. We've breaking news, there's a whole bunch of moving parts. Let's get right into it. Ladies and gentlemen. This is kind of funny games daily each and every weekday in a variety of platforms. We run you through the video game news and he's no about if you like that. Be part of the show, kinda funny dot com. Slash KF GD with your questions, comments, concerns, bad PS end names and everything else under the video game son then watch us record the show, live on twitch dot TV, slash kind of funny games. If you're watching it live, you of a special job, go to kinda funny dot com slash. Your wrong and tell us what we screw up as we screw it up. So we can set the record straight for everybody watching later on YouTube dot com. Slash kind of funny games and listening on podcast services around the globe housekeeping for you. It is the final day to get shirtless Spiderman on patriot go to patriot dot com. Slash kinda funny games, get the PS four Spiderman cover featuring shirtless vitamin or go to patriarch dot com. Slash kinda funny, get the shirtless Spider-Man fan art from one panda musk today. We're brought to you by Nord VPN. But first before we get to any of that, let's get into what is an forever will be the Roper. For some breaking fresh out the oven news, five items on the Rover bakers, doesn't I tell you what? Tim? Yeah, you came in a little bit later today. So I was gathering the news before the morning shows like it's going to be a fun, lackadaisical, slow news day, get through it. Greg back together for the first time in a month a while. Right. We talk about the game yesterday. That's fantastic. It's patriot. But instead what I wanna talk about is the news you've all been waiting for. It's what we've talked about a bunch of this week. It's what we feared. There is no PlayStation experience this year. The report is coming from Jonathan Dornbush the boy wonder of news over dot com. Here reports PlayStations worldwide studios. Chairman, Sean Layton has confirmed Sony will not be holding a PlayStation experience event in twenty eighteen late in the announcement on the PlayStation blog casting quote for twenty eighteen. I know this is going to be a disappointment to some people, but we decided not to hold PlayStation experience this year. We won't have it in the states this year. He continued the reasons behind that really are. We don't have. We have a lot of progress that we're making on our games. Now, the wave Spiderman out the door were looking down into twenty eight. I'm sorry, twenty nineteen games like dreams in days gone, but we wouldn't have enough to bring people all together in some location North America to have that event. We don't want. Set expectations really high and then not deliver on that. It has been a hard decision, but we have determined that this year we will not hold PlayStation experience. Dorm issues article says developing, obviously, like I said, is breaking right now as we record this in the last ten twenty minutes or whatever. What's the takeaway Tim? I mean, it's unfortunate because you know, we always want more and these I love press conferences, always fan of them and can PS Xs such a blast. It's such a great community of my favorite event. It's fantastic, especially for the best friends out there. It makes a lot of sense right. And it's kind of like an annual pilgrimage for a lot of people. So I know that on that side of things is very disappointing on the other side. I think that it's a good move for them to get ahead of it and not do. It doesn't have anything to shell last year was a good example of they had things, but everyone was kind of upset at how little they showed. It wasn't what they wanted out of a traditional PS x. showcase experience. Exactly. And I feel like if we're just going to go more in that direction this year, why even do it at all? That's only gonna lead to disappointment. And when you add on top of that, the fact that we have Spiderman now we have a lot of the exclusives. We've been looking at the last couple of years out already or with the day's gone dreams soon. Go sushi last of us, death stranding gel. No, those are like there's a big question Mark around having twenty nineteen twenty. I think a lot of this points to PlayStation five. We're getting towards the tail end of the PlayStation four. Life cycle of exclusives, at least. And I think that them not doing this year is a hint towards a switch. The next generation, Vince rights into kinda funny dot com slash k. f. GD again before this news broke. But again, in a very lot of question, we've had all week. I hate cave, GD co host. Is it possible that Sony isn't having a PS sex in December to save their nouncement for an early February PS five reveal? I don't go that far. Me neither because here's my thing. Vince is I feel like announcements, you do it a PS x. versus a PlayStation five reveal are very dramatically different. If if they were going to do x. this year it would've been, hey, here's the cool things coming to PlayStation PlayStation, PlayStation four and PlayStation VR. If you're gonna do a PlayStation five reveal event. It's going to be like PlayStation four reveal where it is like, here's the new platform. Here's why it's cool here. All the partners were working with. You wouldn't talk about PlayStation four. You wouldn't talk about games that are happening. In that ecosystem, unless, oh, the PlayStation five is more of a cloud based streaming thing that is backwards compatible with PlayStation four games and the industrial last of us to and fancy seven remake LL are better on PlayStation five out the out the gate, not the game, a great launch with these games that we've been waiting for forever. But if you have a PS four, you can still get it. They're selling February's too aggressive for PlayStation five. You definitely would have heard way more leaks. Remember when we were running up to PlayStation four, how much we knew about Orbis? Yeah, you know what I mean? It was definitely a long time coming before we got to that point. I still, I mean, I don't buy there. I think it is just what Sean saying, hear what you're saying in what we're all saying. Right is all right. Cool. We're not the chamber isn't loaded with enough top tier content for us to do this justify and make it make sense to everybody, and I applaud them for that. That's thing about this move. It's a bummer. There's. Pius x. We love PS ex, but I'd rather be no Pius x. than go to a PS ex that is depend not even throw out what you thought of last year is a a remarkable step down compared to last year or the years before it right where it is that they do a showcase or whatever they want. You know what they called last year showcase, right? Where I came out at the end interviewed and sid talk to developers all day long, which I thought was really cool event, but wasn't a press conference in had a visceral reaction from the audience. We're gonna come in and like we're not even doing that. Instead. It is just come to the Anaheim convention center and see days gone again and see this again. And his cool is that stuff is because it is. And I think it's important to have community events like that. I feel like x. mean something more than that, and I feel like if they were to do just a community event, it would tarnish what can even Everson and they'll never gain back that momentum. I think with XBox is kind of the flip of that word. The Exo event has back so tune such a just just community event. You can just come to play games for so long, but then making a bigger deal now, especially now that they have inside XBox to kind of anchor at all. I think. That's them trying to be like, look, we're making a bigger deal is we'll see what that ends up being, especially now that there's no PS ex, it's kind of XBox game to win, right? Yeah. At least in terms of announcements for the rest of the year, and I'm really excited to see what they end up doing. Is it just going to be a. Because my expectation for the XBox is going to be at max, what last year's PS excise really? I don't think we're going to get the previous PS axes level. What do you mean at max? So you think the XBox, it's going to be in a similar fashion or similar. Like here's the biggest announce. We have something like medieval, I think, yeah, the biggest nounce they're going to have. We're going to be deep dives into games. It's like they have. I hope the open strong with something that's probably already has been announced, but we haven't seen in the night, but they closed wrong with something. That's totally that we didn't see coming. Mean between their, it's Spencer I talk, I hope so. I just, I kind of don't expect it to be a press conference. I expected like said it's just gonna be an inside XBox, glorified inside XBox, but still not dislike game trailer, game game game. I don't think it's going to be like that. Here's a couple of things that we're looking at. XBox XBox? Yeah. So yeah, bummer. There's no PS ex, but again, I think the right call. I hate it when we talk about multi billion dollar corporations, and then I apply compared to kind of funny, but it's similar to kind of funny live right when I mean granted, I think we got way earlier than PlayStation in terms of there is no, there is no funny live in twenty nineteen, right? Like we want to take a year off of live events because we don't want to just do the same thing again. We don't want it to be lesser than what it should be. We wanted to be special. Yeah, in have that we don't want Harnish the bread. Exactly, exactly. Let me tell you kind of funny live what a, what a brand. I agree. It's just funny. Again, we compare like this. However, I don't know if you saw this while while this all happened on the kinda funny morning show with Nick, I immediately dropped off and stop talking naked, stop co hosting the show, and he did a great job landed the plane. Thank you. Greg is awesome. I put this out, right? I think we should fill the gap. I feel that I, this is audio listener. I've put up this tweet shown late at his confirmed on the PlayStation blog cast that there's no PS x this year. So kind of funny will fill the void in hold a press conference. The Saturday after the game awards, Dev slash publishers. You want to be part of the kind of funny game showcase, twelve eight, twelve eight Saturday. The eighth hit me up in school down one. Trek responded to myself. And I said, I'm serious. To be clear what I'm talking about here is like, let's do it, dude. I love it. We got Cory bar log responding. He's not gonna come. But yeah. I don't know man to set expectations correctly. What's your vision? Vision of what we're doing right here is that I know how hard Indies and third parties and everybody works. And I should say, since we're doing the showcase in PlayStation XBox works and intend to works, and I don't know if we'll get anything from PlayStation XBox Nintendo. Right? But I want to reach out to all of our friends. You do this in prep assets in probably I think we're in some respects. Is there a PS extras? And they're always you have something like, I want to do a stupid showcase, and I think it'll be stupid showcase that it's not to be clear. It's not the kind is not a kind of funny, press conference again, where we talk about an app or something, it's just, uh, facilitating all our friends in independent developers and non who are working on cool projects. I would love that. And I think whether that means it's a ten minute thing or it's a two hour thing, who knows? But I see as yeah, we bust this out of here. We put green screen up here. We come out and suits, and we do very casually casual, but, hey, everybody, we love gaming. We're here to celebrate games. We thought we think it's awesome that Jeff does the game awards like you just did on Thursday. We thought it was awesome that PS ex- exists. We don't want this moment to go away. It's a cool thing where we don't sit around and celebrate enough like cool stuff that's happening in what's coming in twenty nineteen. So here's let's kick it off with our friends from blank who brought this blank. And I think it's trailers and I think it's I wanted to be new trailers. I want it to be, hey, were the devs behind? We're, you know, we're this development studio. We don't have much show. Here's some concept, art and things we're working on. Yeah, extended looks from things. We saw game Ord goal. The I love us so much little navel-gazing I, this idea is fucking brilliance, because see because here's the thing. What happens? We get to create a moment that we all get to enjoy. Yeah, nobody supports reset arrow rips us a new one, but yeah, no big deal. It's all for the fun of it. I think I want to be very clear. This is celebrating everything. This is no point. Like I talked about in the morning show when I put it up, right? Like this isn't a politician, won't do PlayStation doing the right thing. You're not if you're not ready to don't do it. I think we get to expand it to. Everyone in the video game industry is very different scale thing doing putting it up on YouTube. Yeah. The idea of like there isn't really devolve or has done its press conference, but that's kind of even more run. Did did a similar thing to right of where they very Leon, a green screen of like that. I don't want it to be that thing. I wanted to have the presentation. I want to bring the hype. We know how to make videos to be good. But no, I I'm excited for. I wanted to treat it like a real thing and being like I said on the twit the tweet, right? Like I'm one hundred percent serious. And if you're a developer publisher and I asked the audience to go and at Deb's in publishers on that to let them know that we're working on, this might, you know, my business Email is in my Twitter bio like I'm totally down to talk to in. But no, it's us treating this seriously. This is a real thing. This isn't. I don't even know us being stupid if you've never worked with us. But mostly what I love about this is it reminds me of all the times that we've kind of got the community to rally behind us. Did you something really fucking cool? I think the u the training gamer. Win game or is a couple of years ago. It was a good example of that where everybody helps you win, which really means kind of funny one, which really means the gamers want because you, your speech was amazing, and it really meant a lot to a lot of developers out there, and it was a way to give back to them at least have them understand that, like we understand we understand and care about them and I, this is another great opportunity to reach out to some developers that maybe don't get their games in. That's my thing is like, don't get me wrong. I, I would fucking love it. If the kind of funny game showcase on Saturday, the eighth ends with in Bethesda, announced something crazy home. I like if it is just, hey, everybody here are a bunch of indie developers. You've never heard of that are making cool things for the switch or for steam or their games going early access. Fuck shit together going, go to Twitter dot com. Slash game over Greg. Find the tweet. I'm sure it's your pin, tweet, your top tweeted back. It's a lot has happened critically. We went doing dumb morning show to hosting a press conference. Postgame re tweet the tweet, and if there's realistic thing, developers, you wanna see tweeted them, then let them know what's up. And here's my, here's my thing. You say realistic. Is anybody unrealistic at this do day? It's up to us. Hanley Hideo Kojima can whip up death stranding asset for anybody come on Jima. Here's when you know made it if we can get one game horse trailer to end with to see extended looked into the kind of when he gave showcase Saturday. Hell yeah. So we talked to Jean about them hosting to should we give everyone the asset and everyone just broadcast gave awards. We should hit me up here Schneider, it's all it's a go, oh, man. I love video games. I love we've got into this point in the industry. Let's abso fun. Poking fun. I'm throwing my words your car. We do the kind of funny turn great, and that we really start paying into beautiful number two on the rope report. Fortnight has disabled boobs and shadow stone. The first part comes from game spots. Jordan Ramey on Twitter, phase agony pointed out that season six's calamity, avatars breasts, jingle Jacob, Jacob, g. they jiggle whenever she performs certain movements or dances. Epoch has responded to discovery with the announcement that these movements were not planned to be included in the game quote. This is unintentional embarrassing, and it was careless for us to let this ship said epic spokesperson quote, we are working now to fix this as soon as possible. It seems as if epoch has already taken action to remove this from the game in a new tweet said, we have disabled elements, animation system. This means you may see visual issues with some outfits. Thanks for your patience while we work through these issues and quote. So, yeah, looks like I would imagine somebody tinkered with that for an internal haha or whatever or just to see their system can take it because obviously physics in general need to be in video games, but it clearly wasn't meant to ship. That got caught pretty quick and take it out just as quickly. So yeah. Okay. Good on that. But yeah, for for looking at as we know that wasn't on purpose. This reminds me of the the Ubisoft kerfluffle that happened with watchdogs to with Jonah like, yeah, they like the well, the Dick's state right of Jonah's retu- realistically rendered or something like that. Fucking. Once again, you know what I mean? I don't. It will be interesting to see if there's any more statements put out about it because it what my thing about it was. It wasn't. If you didn't see it obviously and go on Twitter and get it. I only saw the one thing of her doing her dance in one of the previews, her breast jiggling. But it wasn't like when I think of dead or alive. You know what I mean where it's like outrageous this thing like, so I don't know if it was just a test to see if your character models could do it, or if if it was something I have no idea what are why. And I don't obviously epics like wasn't supposed to be there and I, I don't think that's the look want right now for the world's biggest game, right? Yeah. But again, they jumped on it and they correct it, and these are things that can happen when you have hundreds of people working on a project. Meanwhile, to the shadow stones could talk Nathan Grayson rights as part of the big season. Six kickoff, epic added items called shadow stones to the game. They appear near corrupted areas of the map and you put in put you in a mode called shadow form that grants you a spooky dash ability in renders you temporarily invisible. If you're standing still, you can't attack while you're in the state because that would be some serious. Bullshit that in mind, permanent visibility is more. Serious. Bullshit. Basically, the glitch was that you can keep going and you could shoot in this format the appear to occur. Anytime somebody got down shortly after grabbing shadow stone, if revived by teammate players would remain fully invisible, even while moving and could use all their items and abilities a few hours after these which is reared, they're invisible heads, epoch, pulled an epic and announced that set shadow stones are out of the game for now, quote, due to an issue shadow stones were disabling them until we have a fix the developer said on Twitter. Give us out. They're just doing such a good job with fortnight. When let's add a whole bunch of crazy shit constantly. And if it doesn't work, we'll take it out. We'll re-jigger figure things out, but it back in or maybe not good on you guys. Keep things moving, keep things different. They're definitely crazy. They're definitely develop a right that you wanna talk about doing it right, where, hey, we're responding immediately were in the community. We see shoes were right on top of them. We have statements for all this stuff like, right, how many times have we done recently stories about? I mean, name changes or whatever for PlayStation or not. Name changes, cross play for PlayStation, right? And it was no statement. Some PR words Salva didn't really answer the question, like especially for the jiggle thing, which isn't like a full-blown, weird new story, right? It's not even everywhere. It's just like, this wasn't on purpose. We fucked up. Sorry. Everybody like taking it out. It wasn't. We're not trying to make a statement same thing here of like, yeah, we test these things. We like them and didn't see this happen. Great. Call there out. We'll fix them and they did the same thing with carts. Right? Like, I'm sure a whole bunch of four nights stuff, but when we were. Playing for and I really hardcore. I remember I think it was that the added. Yeah, they'll be back. Everything will be. Number three. We've some poke him on, let's go, let's go, let's go evey, motion control. Clarity. This is from aegean's Casey to freedus basically I g and got this statement from Nintendo because there's been this kerfluffle. Can you play this game without motions as have to be motion shoals statement from Nintendo. Then they had another statement from Polk among company. Then they talked about their hands on. Eventually Casey summarizes and I like the summary a lot. So I'm just gonna read the bullet points. In summary, here's what we learned about motion neutrals in Polk Amman, let's go wallet hand held mode at the start of a Polk Amman catching encounter. The only input needed shooting an item and pressing the button to throw a Polk -able, poke baulky bowl, ball. Pokey, no motion controls required. This is easily accomplished. The switch is completely stationary such as while flat on a table. If you want, you can move the camera while in a catching encounter with the left joystick though there is no obvious reason to do so. However motion controls cannot be turned off. So if the switches in hand-held mode, if this witch in hand-held moat is physically moved, the movement would trigger the motion, controls causing the camera to move with it. You follow this. So basically if you want to play it without motion controls, you can't turn off. This is your switch. You have to put on the table. So it stationary in them like hit the buttons like this. Because if you're holding, it doesn't play for audio listeners. If you're holding it off the table and you want to use the button configuration. Just jostling a little bit apparently is going to act gyroscopes in then activate the motion show part of it. This is breaking my varied. That doesn't sound real. You tell me you can't just fuck it. Hold its, you can't. I? I'm assuming UK and hold it still enough, but how still it needs to be, I guess, is up for debate. So if the switch is my thing is I've played poker mongo. Yeah, it's motion controls. What. A lot of flicking, if you move and whatever moves the camera doesn't do anything. Who cares. I don't know. This doesn't seem like a big deal. Well, just this thing of the debate from the beginning rise came, we turn off, motion controls. No, you can't, but you also don't necessarily have to use them. There's at the star of Pok Mon catching encounter. The only input Nieves choosing an item in pressing the button to throw a pokey ball. No, most controls required. If this which is in hand, held mode is physically moved. The movement would trigger the motion controls causing came to move with it. I hope these games are good. What's your read? I'm going to be. I do. I do. A lot of people are gonna be really upset that they're not the traditional Pok Mon experience fully but seeing about, do you think they're going to be more upset than they are now? I feel like the of sets already into it. Yeah, already come and gone. Like if you didn't want this fine del yesterday, it was just like, I'm not about this life. Man. I want the next one, but he's gonna play this one. And the next was next year. It's so close. We got a guarantee of twenty nineteen. We're going to get Janet cool. I everything I'm seeing from this. There's a lot of disappointing stuff as a fan, whatever, but the games look great. Like I can't believe I keep seeing little cut scenes and gifts being put up one yesterday, I saw of peak, you jump it up in like high fiving, read with his tail. Yeah, it's awesome. And it looks so good. I can't believe that we're about to play Pokemon game that looks like the cartoon like this is awesome. But yeah, there's all the most control stuff and you know how you got Pokemon how you level of it. All sounds very disappointing. We'll be fun. Probably I'm excited to to play through it and I decided to see what changes they make to the characters to the story that we've seen a million times now, and I saw on recent Ariza Massamba how the three starters charming role. So scrotal like there's some story element that was in a cut scene early on that people weren't allowed to post as part of the preview of it. Like it's cut out when you watch people like things out and it saying things that those folk Amman aren't native to canto that from somewhere else, wherever might. This is Laura stuff I'm super into. Oh, yeah, that's cool. Okay. Because dot could mean that I just love the idea that the hundred fifty that we grew up with and love that there's, we don't know about them and that like maybe there's other areas or whatever that are similar that have other Pok Mon like that. Very fucking cool to me, we'll see. We will see how is it out, November sixteenth. Think. Okay. So between red dead. Sorry, number four. Oh man. I was like, wait the rest in peace, PlayStation. Rest in peace. PlayStation all-stars, battle royale. This is from Ben Newman at twin Sony's. Take on the smash formula PlayStation all-stars, battle royale will no longer have online functionality on the PlayStation three and vita on October twenty fifth doing update on the PlayStation store. All online features will be dissolved, including the ability to host or join online game. All will still have offline features, including a campaign quote, as well as local couch multi-player in shared screen mode. Poor went out man, dude for the homey. Now you did. It was good. It was good. It was fine, fine. It was. It was better than fine, really wasn't. It was like, I mean, I don't know. I have said a million times. They should just straight up cops. I agree with you hundred percent. They destroyed a conversation. I had a lot of fun with the game for a weekend. Yeah, that was it though. It was. Not a good game. There was something there and it's like it kind of reminds me of the Sam Raimi's Spiderman movies, Jesus. Here we go. Just in the another Hornets nest, you wanna kick his heart as you where it's like they were amazing. It was really good because it's all we had, oh, man, a place fighting with all the characters together, like smash brothers, cool. Like we didn't have any smash brothers games then we didn't have any smash with his clones. Then this is this is good, but now that we've had so many amazing, smash, brothers games we've seen so many awesome. Crossover games and stuff. The church are better. It's like really game wasn't good, and the character lineup was a joke. You're gonna talk shit about Toro. I mean, he was my. He was my main, yeah, yeah. But. When you look at smash brothers now? Yeah. It seems like they have better PlayStation representation. Chance of crash bandicoot being in being able to fight solid snake and cloud strife in a smash brothers game. Just put it like that that one well, recipe solve the same. I went and looked because I remember I never platinum d- the vita version and I was like, oh, shit. Do I have to do I have to move on this case? I do know I just have a bunch of the single player trophies of getting through their adventure mode or whatever it was called. It was so good. Yeah, and just sewer, a super talented developer, and if they could have gone on longer and done more and refined and make it not made a sequel if that game would have come out now in two thousand eighteen right in the it was like the current culture and even the same game, same problem, same everything. But you got that studio. I really feel like there would have been like the mea culpa were like six months, hey, we're going to put up this new mode that is like. Say, but is like smash where you don't have to have your special is. That's not the only way to knock people off. You can do this. Do that. I mean, I still think that PlayStation all-stars about Allen twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen could be amazing. No, yeah. No, no, no. I'm not saying that I there's a couple changes and he made, but really I think that the fatal flaw the game besides not copying smash brothers was the character lineup. And now if you had Ayla if you had Spiderman, if you had like modern Crato all there's a fucking lineup. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I wanted number five. I think you want this to kingdom hearts is having a crossover with scripts. Again, Johnson Dornbush, Jian scoring excess confirm that the opening theme song to kingdom hearts, three titled face. My fears is a collaboration between longtime kingdom hearts, theme musician. Totta Karu Karu and Grammy award winning artist skirt relics. According to square kingdom hearts fans groves previously intended to work with a car to remix. Don't think twice previously revealed kingdom hearts, three track their collaboration grew into a new track which will be released on January eighteenth, twenty nineteen alongside don't think twice. Tell fucking yes, his perfect world, this weirdo musician, and then your game that the weirdo musician scrolls is weird, but. Oh, yeah, screw musician. What makes me happy about this is don't try the song that we've heard in every fucking trail off twice Mckee, the key blade Mckee. There's that guy with the. It's true. Many guys with that song I was thought was a little anticlimactic for being the theme sound king March three. One into had such awesome theme songs that are so memorable that when this came out I was like, this is a little down tempo and not what I'm expecting. So the fact that we're getting an actual upbeat deem song fucking go, okay, the scripts thing, that's where a lot of people are going to dub step. The music's always been kind of weird electron, so I'm not mad at that and we know that we're gonna get a dope ass orchestra version to close the game out anyway. So I'm this is great newsroom, where are hype levels for you with kingdom hearts? Three right now. I haven't heard you talk about it in a long time. I'm really just of China. They keep putting out a lot of stuff tedious happen. I'm just like, I, I'm a century on media blackout for it. Okay. I'm like, I'm good. The game's gonna come out January twenty ninth maybe I think it will. I think it will and I'm gonna play it then until then I'm not trying to not trying to get to height. It's been too long. It has been too long. My hype rollercoaster for this game has been fifteen years. You've lived along rollercoaster. It is getting close to being over twenty nineteen games right around the corner January eighteenth twenty nineteen the track right around the corner you have to worry about, but still January eighteenth, two thousand eighteen so far away. So so if I want to know more pertinent information, like what came to the mom and pop shops today, Tim, where would I go deficient upcoming software across each and every from his list by the kind of the daily show host each and every weekday. Did it did do do do do do. Out today. Dungeons threes, expansion, pack clash of the gods is on places for an Xbox. One amnesia collection is on Xbox One Castro nuts on PS four. Next astronauts cat astronauts is on station for an Xbox One. I really did not pay attention in school and how to read. I would have been helpful. No, that's not your fault. That word is cat astronauts altogether. See, I was going to make a plan catastrophe and that's why I really got screwed up. Construction simulator to is now available on PlayStation four Xbox One PC deadline is on Xbox One deliver us. The moon Fortuna is on demons crystals on switch dragon ball fighter Z's on switch that writers during fighters every yells at me. Every time fee for nineteen is on PlayStation four, Xbox One switch an PC three key. Awesome. Is on PlayStation four. Chiasso Drake, hunter, detective story ghost dusk is now available on thirty. S Jack and Jill DX is on switch. Maybe this is the final time I will have to talk about Jack and Jill DX a ten minute platinum that we saw earlier this week that has been on every day. Now, apparently on a new. I missed this yesterday. See if got an update called forsaken shores. It's free and then Vegas parties, Xbox One, cool. Meanwhile, new dates for you, the exorcist legion VR gets its final two episodes PlayStation. VR October ninth is, is that the one we tried to play for PlayStation VR show? No, that was payroll my because I really do want a really good scary VR game, and I haven't. I haven't heard about exit exorcist legion, but apparently other episodes right now, we're down to the final two, Tim? Yeah, it's time for reader mail. Okay. But I, I'm gonna tell you is brought to you by Nord VPN, Tim. Do you know what sucks? What sucks getting your data stolen, but nor VPN is here to help start protecting your internet experience today with sixty six percent off a two year plan by using code games at Nord, VPN dot com. Slash game. Nor VPN protects your browsing and data from anyone wanting to through it. They have thousands of servers and sixty one countries. No data logging Nord VPN's chrome browser is lightweight and user friendly from the first click. Android apps, they're just cure your mobile browsing experience. 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Future spoiler casts in the same way as the last couple, of course, last couple being Brian into heart from Samyak on Spiderman Corey bar log from Sony, Santa Monica on God of War. I don't know if we punches. They don't think we have the problem. Of course being that these are two games that we love so much you gave Brian, what James. That's the things I feel like we are. I mean, we have one of these games come out. We have a lot of discussions not on camera, and we talk a lot about the negative several, of course about the positive stuff. I feel like all the negative stuff we'd make a point to bring up. I talk it through. Yeah, you know, manic though. I think all futures for the cast spoiling honestly, for us a pretty few and far between it's rare that there's a game we all are into or multiple of us are into right, like you're not gonna play odyssey the way I'm playing oddest. Not probably all actually Kevin's been playing odyssey, but I don't see Kevin me sitting down for spoiler cast ever. Also spoiler Cascais feel are really geared towards narrative based games. We can do a spoiler cast for smash brothers. When it comes for one, it's your. Though for one, it's true answer. The other vein of it, right? Is red dead in red dead is another game in this office that I'm going to play the shit out of, but I don't expect everybody else too. So it'll be me and Jared, and at that point me and Jerry would probably do for red dead radio, I would imagine. And even at that point too, I think especially with Spiderman man, God of war, you're talking about two triple a narrative based games that have a figurehead, a public face red. That doesn't have that, right? So even if we're gonna do everybody's into red dead, we're going to read that spoiler cast the read. That's the cast would just be kinda funny or friends of money coming in because I'm not gonna bring in Dan Houser to come in and sit down and talk to us about them, nor do I think they would. You know what I mean? That's not how rockstar operate. So confirmed deaths driving spoiler when comes out with Cogema of course, one hundred percent. You kidding me. See, we'll see. Well, let's see what he gives the kind of funny game showcase on December eighth and they will make a decision if he's going to maybe get Norman redes- to come in. It'd be like, I have no idea what this is about. That's cool. I'm enjoying it. Norman rediscover, let them do you have any interesting going back to Walking Dead. This season with all the change up there. I wanna see what they're doing. But the problem is I wanna see it in a way that I totally don't mind reading Matt follows report on g and the next day. What happened was that cooled? I need to go on. You? I think I might give it a shot. I might be like fucking jumping. I know that like the spoilers that Rick's only Laurie early. We'll be back for like. Is Laurie Cohen. Yeah, Maguy not his wife anyways. Yeah, there's supposed to be for half season, so see how that plays out. But I've just been, I've lapsed so on it season and a half, and I have three, three, the books to follow by three issues behind maybe two issues behind shoes. It's good. I like really like where they started. Well, let's see one more inside baseball from Chris Chris rights into kind of funny dot com. Slash KFI GD and says, Hello, Greg him. Can I ask little about kind of funny cide baseball. Of course. He can't Chris book. That's what kind of all about. I saw eighty tweeting about how Nintendo one of the Super Mario party party mode to be a bit shorter. This got me thinking once the relationship between kinda funny developers reporting when it's four game that isn't out yet. Do you get early access in return for providing some promotion or is it sponsor? How does this change when the game is already out? Do you need to clear videos at to'real with developers, or do you just play Nonni for numbers? Obviously, just curious about the process. Thanks, lovely Wiki, Chris. So Chris, excellent question. What you're seeing with the Super Mario party party modes is an embargo from Nintendo in what the restrictions are. When you see a game pre release in, it's not out to everybody and you get the like Nintendo's here. Obviously you here in this party modes. Them shouting Mr. Nintendo, rich, George, formerly Vijayan, not the only miss Nintendo to be fair. I just here I know riches voice so well for people. I don't ever want to get rich in trouble. Oh no. When we use the name that I use that for about ten literally anybody who's here from Nintendo, but in this one instance. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's like a mall, Santa? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The the thing there is that when you see a game in preview coverage, you capture developers and publishers get to choose the rules of what it is. And so the rule intendo had for party mode or I'm sorry for Super Mario party was you can only use direct fee footage up to twenty minutes per video. Yeah, so that was the thing that's why eighty had to limit the the thing specifically with I wasn't even here. Yeah, the thing for Mario party was it was twenty minutes of footage and there was a lot of it had to be edited couldn't be just straight through. I bargained with them and I was like, instead of twenty minutes. Could we get to fifteen minutes. I'll do it because all they want to show a full match, sheriff, full ten turn deal. And so you know, we've proven track record to be pretty good with Nintendo before. So. Yeah, so they know the product super helpful. Yeah, exactly. But it's it's not so much like an like deal of promotion where there's no promises promotion. I mean, again, they know the show they know is a once a week thing. They know the patriots role on stuff like that. You ask, of course, or is it sponsored SuperBowl party was not a sponsored, let's play. We do a sponsored, let's play. It starts with us saying, hey, everybody we're being sponsored to play this or we deal with them or we we have a shot out dealer, but it's expressed that this is part of a larger package and something like that where money is exchanged in terms of promotion, which do, but we overstate. I'd like to think a lot of the time with. It's not just timing. It'll be like, okay, you play Mario party, but you have to play this map and you can't show this menu. You have to edit out every preview covers. I mean, like even like we were talking me and Andrea weren't bitch, but talking about our why we're not streaming assassin's creed, even though we can stream assassin's creed, it's because they have a lot of Asterix on what you can and can't stream. And it's just like, that's too much work to worry about him. I going into a menu that exposes something that would ruin it. I'm not gonna worry about it. I was going to play the game and then you're asking about questions after release after lease, gloves are off obviously with Nintendo, you run the risk of them in their their their claim program with claim it. Obviously, you've seen the kerfluffle atlases had with persona five in terms of where they wanted, people stop streaming, things like that. But you know, once it's out it's out and that's the deal Chuck rights into kind of funny dot com. KF GD and says, hey, cave, GD crew. The topic of digital versus physical purchases came up yesterday show and I wanted to mention something about it. That never seems to get mentioned I by physical whenever I can because I'm a collector know because when I'm done with it, I can take it into the store and use it to get the next game. I want cheaper. This. Is a big deal for me as money is often tight. So I'm in no rush for the all digital future. I always enjoy the show. Keep it up. Chuck. Great. Point check. Yeah, we were talking about it very in black and white of like Odell wants to keep a collection likes to see everything there where I'm like. I don't want any clutter. I wanted to be digital. You raise a great point. Of course. I remember, you know, we always talk about it in very forthcoming that we're lucky enough to get most of our games for free. So yeah, I redeem the code there. It is to my library. Great. But I definitely remember being in college and even, yeah, well, into after college before I went to work at GM of even the early days of Jim, I digress getting a game and then keep going beating that game and taking it into traded in and get it going that way. I know that that is a thing for many people and we don't talk about it. It's a great point. Of course, the hope would be there's no proof of it necessarily. Is that if we went to an all the future than people explore the spectrum games, when it cost as much, she won't have to worry about getting the five dollars off. You get for trading whatever you beginning games, hopefully twenty dollars cheaper, twenty five bucks. Cheaper, but it can also focus over every dish. Everything's still sixty bucks dollars. You can. Richard Melendez from San Bernardino California road into kind of funny dot com slash KFI GD and gets the final question of the week. What's up KF GD hosts, I've a question about the game of the year conversations you guys had yesterday. I know most of the big games that came out this year could win on a slow year, but because of all the great games, it makes it even more difficult to win. But if you hadn't underdog game, like an Indy title, nothing AAA to surprise everyone in win game of the year. What would it be? Thanks. I appreciate everything you guys do. Please give the chicken a break every so often. I think it's Celeste right for me. It's definitely Celeste was what is your game the you're right now? And it's constantly evolving. It's got of war. Yeah. Hell yet is it really is and like. Bombed about that. I just wanted to be Celeste share and I just can't believe it's the last got beat. Yes, so fucking good and Spiderman. So fucking good. Yeah. And the messenger is so fucking good. Yeah, that's the great year it when this is what I'm talking about. There's no room for a game. That's just okay. These games are all great in the sucks. There's only going to be one that gets it. Now. Granted, I, this is going to be a year. I really do feel me toss up about who unless red dead is as good as everybody wants it to be an expects it to be. I think it'll be a toss up in terms of who somebody's gonna give it if it ended. Right now there'd be Celeste winning some sites. We got a war, there'd be Spiderman. 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There's Too Much Gaming News! - Kinda Funny Games Daily 02.07.20

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There's Too Much Gaming News! - Kinda Funny Games Daily 02.07.20

"What's up everybody? Welcome to Kinda Funny Games. James Daly four Friday February seventh twenty twenty. I'm one of your host Greg Miller alongside the okay beast blessing any. Oh Ye Junior. What's up Greg? It's not much. I like this Jacket Combo thank you appreciate. I just noticed that. We're kind of matching a little bit really black here today with the once pink but reddish enough yes like we got this thing going yeah. Yeah if you're naughty listener. I'm wearing a black shirt. He's wearing a black jacket. Yeah I'm wearing red tie. He's wearing a red shirt. Yeah you going nailed it. Yeah thought to get more action on the cost the black crew from you. Then I did I. 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They want to get your questions. Read from patient Dot Com. We're GONNA be fucking time for you. Goddamn news having never won every pretty. Hold onto your hats. If you're driving a car pull over the shoulder. This one's too shocking to understand. There's going to be a new call of duty this year. Show Jeremy Wilson Gamespot has the following paragraph Graf activision blizzard confirm that we will absolutely see a brand new call of duty game sometime this year. Though which studio will develop it has yet to be announced. Interestingly the company said that this year's call of duty won't sell as well as well as last year's modern warfare did during its launch window no details details on platforms were shared leaving us to wonder if it will be available on playstation five and xbox series x so obviously it's going to be available on ps five autopsy's Ex. I'm trying to pull up the WIKIPEDIA. 'cause I know like there's the three studio rotation for Chamber Award and TRIARC right and I believe leave. This year is sledgehammer because last year was World War. No last. That was black. OPS FOR TRAE are that world was matching. It's such this. Yeah so that makes sense. I think the the interesting thing from the story is them saying that. This year isn't going to sell as much as last last year. which I think could mean a couple of things I think one could mean that because modern warfare has the name recognition of modern warfare? That of course helped it to sell more. Maybe this new game will be a new new call of duty free or franchiser named whatever you WANNA call call of duty world war three or whatever man. Yeah it could be that it could also be in doubt this but it could also be that maybe it's next-gen exclusive. That's what my bet is so clearly this gentlemen. If you're just joining US maybe missed the rest. It's the show this week. Obviously the quarter has ended for December thirty first. The financial results are happening. We're having a million investor calls which is why you're getting so much news in so so much of it being very hazy. Hey I'm the CEO. And I'm on the phone and I gotTa Talk to all the investors that are listening in and tell them enough information. Tell real information so here we are confirming that yes. It'll it'll be a new call of duty this year. We have to say that of course for stock prices. However the wrinkle? I find it interesting that they didn't say sledge. Because if it's going to be why why wouldn't you every knows this. This is yeah. I think I think there have been. There have been rumors rumors reports of call of duty. Being kind of weird it over the last couple of years with like I don I know like the campaign mode for was a black ops for that was the one that was just multiplayer. Yeah I believe there are like some weird things about things shift around delayed that this year could be maybe not a sledgehammer game interesting However what I do think you know you might say what a weird thing thing to say? Interestingly become this year's called you won't sell as well as last year's modern warfare did during its launch window again. This is a call designed for the investors designed for the shareholders. You you need to explain to them as clearly as possible. They don't care who's developing the game. They care how much it sells and how much money they're going to get in their profits so you need to start prepping them now. Nine nine months out that yes. This game is not going to do what modern warfare did. And I'm with you. I'm reading from this new details on platforms. Leaves me to wonder for sure. So yeah this is the next Gen call of duty and if so then obviously when it sells well modern for you. Don't even need to bring in modern warfare like you were which is true worth or does have such crazy name. Recognition in black OPS. Like I think the thing is though for you. This game came out on both next-gen Anchor Jen. Do you think is still sells less. That's where it gets weird right. I would think no I would think also is modern warfare. Yeah you know what I mean. It did do really well more. We have more modern warfare. News coming up here and I don't see any reason for them to only put this on next-gen. I don't think it's on activation to make sure these new console sell well. They just want to sell their games and they believe the first like three. Call a duties on this Gen. We're we're also on last year and it wasn't until ghosts right. Yeah Black OPS. Three hundred for sure was on. ps three xbox three sixty. I think the one after a black ops three was I think infinity warfare was the first one that was current Gen exclusive and so I think three college duties in this Gen that we until we got an old one that was exclusively this and so I couldn't imagine they start off next Gen with only putting out a call of duty on. PS Five Series X. That wouldn't I don't think that would make sense for them. No I don't either and again. This is being vague about it. But it's that yeah so there's so much there's so much not lack of information in this article or this paragraph graphics is really all I pulled from this article. It is the fact that I can't imagine there's no reason there's no business sense in doing just on playstation position five yeah xbox series unless they really want to take advantage of. They don't care because again with all due respect their activation they wanna make money more than most people. Yeah so I think that yeah and especially if the next Gen consoles are talking about just be. PC's right beefed up souped up you can set your settings for it. It seems easier easy enough that you already have a PC version of this game. You'RE GONNA put it out on those platforms as well. You can probably scale from places survive xbox one xbox yeah so yeah it's a weird I guess like my name or the name of the game is probably the only thing I can pull. I imagine it might be Celebrity Infinite Warfare Ramming that a world war two and then he got no infinity. Okay so let's go infant fair. Did you say infinite warfare infinite warfare yes so the sledgehammer alleged were chambers. Done call going backwards called World War call of duty advanced warfare advanced warfare and then not indigo okay. This wasn't fingerboard yes I. They don't really have any trend as far as their naming conventions for their duties. So I'm like you know what it seems like. They found something here here with this last run of World War. Sue Black OPS for modern warfare where I feel like going forward you. That's what I would imagine right. Is they let sledgehammer beaver. Historical whether it is World War Two whether it's World War One whether it's Vietnam whatever let Trae Arc the black ops studio and let award be the modern warfare especially now they re. Yeah but they're still somewhat of a trend with colleges even between the studios because I believe Blackhawks four was very boots on the ground. They mentioned mentioned a million times in the press conference and lively footage. Yeah and then like I live but yeah. Modern warfare also was very much like grounded. And so it wasn't it hasn't been since infinite warfare where they've gotten very spacey and you blackhawks was pretty terrific. They hated it because because they got they had it quite a bit by then but my thing is like I feel like if you go if you if you look down down the releases of duty like advanced warfare you know is kind of futuristic black ops three futuristic infant infinite warfare all the way futuristic people got sick of it okay. Let's go back. Let's take let's do World War Two right taking all the way back black ops for not as like wall running and like robot. The as black ops three. As far as I know I didn't play much of black ops for but as far as what I remember I don't think blackout stores like futuristic as backups three and then modern warfare was yeah definitely more grounded and so that makes me think like are they going to continue this trend of putting out. The Games are more grounded and realistic or or at some point. Do they swing back to feature ristic even though that kind of got backlash people to be sick of what call doing now or does this. Does this rotation of black cops modern warfare a a world war two setting one by by Sledge Hammer. Like how long does that go. And how do we get sick of that or do we get sick of that right now. You're wrong is on fire with rumored reports nothing official here but stuff that has come up before that we haven't seen since this would play into why we haven't heard anything about the developer. MHM People are basically saying in here that slinky me the two different articles that are saying I track will reportedly developed the two thousand twenty call of duty over Sledgehammer Games and Raven software DOT ES he's four dot com. Just in been cousy. I'm looking for a date on the article but doesn't look like this is how they put up their news. May Eighteenth Eighteen twenty nine hundred. Okay a major change might be coming to the release cycle of one of the most popular franchises in the world. Track will reportedly take over the development of the twenty twenty called digital according to cocoon NOCCO. Let's click through. I remember this happening. I couldn't remember the exact like passage prior said in May sources call between twenty in upheaval. TRIARC takes over plants plant takes over comma. PLANS BLACK OPS five next year call of duty has gone through major people as a publisher activision form developers this week that studios Raven Sledgehammer which had which had until now led the project would no longer be in charge instead. According to three people familiar with the goings on at the companies TRIARC will lead development element on new black ops for twenty twenty. Yes that's what they just significant shift for activision massive first person shooter franchise which is one of the most lucrative video game series on the planet every fall for the past fifteen years. ACTIVISION is put out a new call of duty game supported by stable of different developers who rotated duties as required since twenty. Twelve activision is followed a three year cycle title for its three lead studios in New York Trey Arc in sledgehammer. There was like this for twenty twenty activision had originally switch things up assigning Wisconsin based Support Studio Raven to take a leadership the ship role alongside sledgehammer call of duty set in the Cold War likely involving Vietnam as as a very recently changed share based in Santa Monica California is in charge weeding. Call of duty black ops five twenty twenty. So that's again a rumor from this. Proviso row clarification. Yeah for me. That does back the question though will like this doesn't black upsell more than modern warfare. Wasn't I know it trends more on Google. I think that's been the conversation I've heard before but I would also assume that black OPS sells more. But maybe it's a thing that since we just got a black ops two years ago maybe that then causes sales to drop a little bit because people are still like people just freshly got a black ops. Feels like maybe a black ops. Two years later doesn't sell as well as It would if maybe wait another year. Maybe that's the conversation and I find this all interesting. Yeah I mean there's more now now would this in the rear view mirror of what we're talking about. It's like well I just want more information period. Yeah who's making the Game Amy. What's going on because yeah this goes on to say that Raven Sledgehammer Service supports? Do for the game transform the work. They've done on their own single player story mode into a campaign for black ops five which is also going to be set during world the Cold War so lots of shakeups apparently rumors. Obviously I mean Shire is usually pretty much point though. I'm not gonNA doubt any of that but again that even gets weirder than of just being like all right activists confirmed that they will absolutely see a brand new call of duty sometime this year. The studio there's not an ounce interested in the company said that this year's call of duty won't sells well. Last year's model warfare did during launch window no details on the platform. So there's no information here other than hey there's going to be a call of duty. Yeah what you knew what happened. Yeah I think it's interesting. I wonder if there's a possibility that they may be re master or like remake. Call of duty black ops one remake. Because I could I could understand why that maybe yeah. I can understand what that would maybe wouldn't sell as well as a new call of duty in that. Maybe then fixing some of their problems of whatever the development mishaps are here between the three studios that are causing them to be like. Okay TRIARC. You're back on your your off the bench. You're putting out this year's game maybe that could you know help without a bit but there's all seems interesting trae trailer J. in your wrong tosses blessing. We've got black OPS two years ago but it didn't have a campaign so we we really didn't get a true black ops experience. I mean yeah you know you know what I mean like no no. I don't think I think it's at wrinkle. It's not it is it is. It is a wrinkle. I think that did that does feed into some these development like some of the confusion here as far as okay. WHO's developing this colleague? Okay well we like guys up on the campaign. Let's just put guys back out and you just going to another multiplayer. I I could very well see this college this year. Being Weird because of all this the question looking at this reading the Scotto auto but seeing what it seems to be massive shift in May of last year to get a game for the fall this year. Right Wendy you take a break. Wendy's stop schreier talking about it's a fifteen in your cycle right and I know you're activision. As long as everything makes him again in probably one of the most boneheaded moves. I've ever seen in my entire life. Activation passed on ghostbusters. Because it wasn't a annual is with franchise these these cowards. But I'm sorry. What was that bird? You don't think we can fucking game every no I don't put me over there. I'll do the episode content. Let's go back to call back obviously still make money obviously crush a year. So it's like there's no reason to stop but I really feel like with black ops four right. That was another Jason Shire Jim Right of like. Here's everything that went wrong. And how they had killers it was franchise or the sink the sink in how all this should have happened. It's like they dodged a bullet by that not being steaming pile of shit now. Granted there there every over there is working tirelessly on this game. They're all talented. If not saying that but when something like that gets torn out and you have to recalibrate now we're multiplayer only. We're doing this whole thing. That had all the trappings of something about to open their face in the fact that they got away with it. Awesome good job now to get to this one though. It looks like it's in a very similar situation. Everything's on fucking fire. But we have to keep going to hit our deadlines removing people around moving things up. If Jason's articles right we're using assets from the other single player campaign aimed to try to cobble together with a single like that. Those stories usually don't work out. Well now great did they usually don't work out when you're talking about some AA game changer. Down Not in something that is call of duty that has all this money behind. It has all this talent behind it. Yeah I mean that's why I I don't I definitely can't see them sleeping here because they're activision because is this is the best selling game every year. I can't see them doing like a stopgap during year. Like do almost like the screen thing where now assassin's creed is every not every two years but you know one year another year and then take your off and then the next year and the next year then take a year off like two years and then you're off and then that allows them for a three year cycle with their studios. I I could see them doing a stopgap thing where it is like all right. We're GONNA do one year. We're going to have black OPS. Next year we can have modern warfare in the next year. We're going to do like a remastered or some sort of like placeholder that isn't taking all of our development power and putting it into a yearly released but instead allowing did you like an off year type of thing that allows us to still sell a bunch of copies of a thing but it doesn't necessarily have to be like a big game and that then lines up with the messaging of this isn't going to sell as well as last year call of duty just a heads up is going to be. Yeah we'll have to wait for the full review usually comes right right right before May yes usually during judges week when we all go and see some and get to know what it's about however number to call of duty is making more money with luke boxes or a season. Pass this Chris pressman over at I. GENE DOT COM call of duty. Modern warfare players are spending more money in game than black ops four players either do either due to or despite the removal of season passing loop boxes during activision activision q four earnings call on February six Twenty Twenty Company present Rob Koschnick answered a question about how removing the season. Pass four call of duty. Modern warfare has affected the player behavior and in game revenue he then talked about removing the season. Pass and Lou boxes and replacing those systems with Bala Pass in modern warfare enabled more transparency to the players. So they can see where their what their money goes towards that he says has worked out really well as evidence in a double. Digit percentage growth for in game spending in modern. Wear for where warfare over black ops for Malcontent Ronin writes in the patriarch dot com slash con. Just like you can't says. Hey guys hopes how this article Imagine Aga detailing activision statements about call of duty players are spending more following. The removal of blue boxes and season passes granted. The real reason is reworking everything into a battle pass but but there is still something inherently hilarious about this think anyone will learn that maybe tricking trying to trick people into spending for Amir Chand at something they want was never the greatest ideas. We can truly hope so. Thanks bless double. Digit percentage growth. That could be ten. Could be eleven. Could be ninety nine. Exactly who post game spending in modern warfare over blackouts. What do you think I think that makes sense like if you like for? I feel like Louis. The Micro transactions have been a conversation since as long as they've been a thing in video games and like the companies have always been trying to figure out like how do we actually monetize things in ways that makes sense. Don't piss literally everybody off and so you know in two thousand sixteen especially when when overwatch came out I thought Lou boxes were like the answer. The answer like if I'm being honest when I I know legit win over wash came out and I and I saw how they did I was like Oh yeah like I found this. This this makes sense if you WANNA monetize your game but then it was like a year and a half later when star wars came out by like fucking kind of blew everything up and I think shadow pro war was uninvolved that to you and they're quite a few games that kind of blew it up and kind of exposed like a lot of the issues with with blue boxes and how that stuff can translate to gambling and different sorts sorts of things that like in some cases. We're kind of used cases. I think makes sense that I understand. Why blue boxes are an issue why people can easily hate and despise blue boxes? Yeah and so I mean I think now we're on the battle pass train and so far as-as they're fine like it's it's weird because I think out of all the different ways I've seen microchips that actions implemented. I think I still prefer Lulu boxes but I think I think that's just because it over just go into a store and buying the thing you want. Why because I don't see 'cause like my thing is I don't really what it comes to cosmetics games especially in this is? This is me kindly boxes specifically to cosmetics. If it's stuff that's like game play play gameplay changed Jerry okay those suck for my poor. Leo should be able to everybody. Yes call of duty. Modern warfare has done it but cosmetics. I don't necessarily care about T- much the idea that I could like unlocked them still without paying money. If I just roll the roll the dice and I don't have to pay attention to it I I'm down with But at the same time understand that people the care way more about cosmetics customisation all this stuff than I do and so I understand what those people you know this. This this is bad battle passes I so the only game. I've really interacted with the battle. Pass at least like a fair. Bit is probably apex. Like I bought the battle pass before night and I never really. I didn't really care about. Take care about it. The the apex bottle past. I have now and I've had since they've had passed. I'm not really cared about it. I think there's something about passes that don't necessarily get ah engaged but I see enough. People like fall in love the ideal Bella passes or not even following the fall in love but interact with them in follow them if all the progression and and try to hit level one hundred on whatever battle pass and I guess I guess this seems like a fine solution in pointed out like for call duty apparently is like the perfect solution may be aren't as yeah. I remember the I think it was modern warfare No it was. It was like World War Two. I think call you a road to where it was lou boxes that would like I think deploy from planes onto the beach of your character and like you have these World War characters. Go up and open their new boxes and they pop out had like the fanfare blue-box and all this stuff and I remember like in watching that and people being like this is disgusting and so for them to be able to pivot and go this route which seems like with seems more are transparent and Seams making more money for them. I mean I think you know it seems like it gets loose all around I love. I love battle houses US and like my yeah for me. It's fortnight where that's you know the my experience with them right but I wish so many other games would put them in in the way that I think it's such such a brilliant way to keep you playing and key channels. That's always what I talk about. When I when we talk about the brilliance of fortnight? Now I know so many people even in many of you right now just grown in your car as I said that right but fortnight is not not only a brilliant business model. It's a brilliant game in. Hey you can be the worst player in fortnight but you are striving to get that had xp and move your your own meter up and you know you're just trying to get pistol kills or whatever there's always something to do in Fort Night when you turn it on. That has nothing to do with winning the game. Yeah which when we first started and I was awful at it it was really helpful. Like Oh that's what I'm GONNA do. Yeah I'm going to chase this. I'm going to go find the secret Shields or whatever that are hidden around like I I love that idea in so it becomes a game unto itself and a reason to come back to try to just level up that pass and so when you look at the Games that I love that I've left behind as I've been talking about a lot on twitter if he is I love back on DC Universe online right like even that if it had that idea I just love the fact that now I'm playing and I've been gone so long that I'm dropping in I'm earning the different boxes not loot boxes but the different like reward boxes right and as I open them up. I'm getting year that matters to me and I'm like all right cool. I feel myself getting stronger. I feel a reason to keep playing Borderlands three still playing that to this day right because of Guardian rank. Where even though? I'm Max level on my character. I'm still playing and I still earn Guardian rank stuff if I'm still finding better weapons. There's a reason to go compare all that to the division where division to was my most played game last year the most our spending in a game and once I platinum it I was gear score five hundred and I was like cool like I'll come back when the gear stronger and that hasn't happened. That hasn't happened right. Like yeah they keep talking about their episodic deal season. What they're gonNA do but it's like all right until there's a reason for me to come back? Why would I come back to your game like if you put a ballot passing it like fortnight? Even though my character fortnight's never getting stronger. I still feel like I'm making progresses. I do stuff and I earned new cosmetics. Yeah I kind of want to check out the blackhawks were battle pass almost for research purposes. Because for me I think the thing that allows me to appreciate the apex and four night bypasses at least a bit is the fact that they are free to play games so going into this right like almost going into these games with the expectation that the I'm not necessarily going to progress in certain ways but that's fine because I'm playing this game for free and ultimately like get the full experience of this game even without like like having to having to hit certain milestones for certain skins or whatever. I'm fine playing apex or fortnight. Without the battle pass the battle that definitely enhances that experience with college duty. That has a sixty dollar game having a ballot. Pass on top of that for me as somebody who's not really played a a sixty dollar game without a pass at least having the battle past four is called do do they. Do they do the same thing though. Right where it's free and there's a free one in a pay for call of duty. Yeah I have no idea is there. I assume that That's how they did Over here because we're GONNA have a free battle pass when you play for night. You're earning along the way on the free battle pass us but you're not getting nearly as much but in every time you ding up. It's like cool. You got this thing but if you pay twenty bucks you'd also get all this shit this crap. I didn't know that was also so called. Pass there's usually to my understanding with the knowledge I have because I've only played a few games for the past. Usually there's the free track and there's the Patriot. Gotcha yeah and I assume call of duty has like free progression. I just call it a duty. Right without the Bala- pass I assume you're making like you're on walking your classes and you know you're ranking up. You're trying to hit prestigious ages. Whatever I don't know if they still have been a minute since they got hardcore technology? But I imagine you're doing the other Bella passing would develop pass. I imagine you're unlocking additional creative cosmetic stuff no I. That's why I want to try it out for research purposes because I wanNA know like is this thing that feels like I need to get this nor to enjoy the game fully or or is it very much additive. Because if it's additive then like okay okay cool awesome as transparent all these things. But if I'm if I'm paying sixty dollar game and I feel like I have to get about a pass on top opposite not saying that's we'll call of duty is doing just curious. You're being vague. Yeah says Fortnight Rainbow six siege and call of duty. Free track available with very minimal. Unlock ables on them. MM-HMM YEAH I the way everybody feel free in the specific case of call of duty to come out and call me. If I'm wrong right like the way I see it is like you're still for sixty dollars. Call if you're still getting the full on multiplayer campaign with leveling and progression and all that stuff and you know you're making your guns better or whatever but the battle passes icing on top of that if you want that. Gets you the more cosmetics. Gets you the different weapon trinkets or whatever the hell do beyond at about pass according to the Nanto. Biologists is this recent recent. Because I I played a lot a few years ago. I haven't played it in a minute but I'm curious on what passes like Tomboy writes in and says yes S.. Call of duty has a freeze here battle pass. Most importantly they put the new weapons for this season on the frontier. Definitely doing it right. Yeah let's see about that. Sounds good bowl six siege battle. I'm curious when the editors I wanna go about maybe maybe maybe that I can go back in six th they. They added it in August of Twenty Nine Thousand Remix adds a fortnight style. I probably haven't played since then but I I want to jump into the back into that because that's my do know in so. Yeah so like comparison. Yeah going there compared especially because I felt like that game already had some micronutrients action type stuff. Where it's like you had to basically walk every operator in that game by you know building up building up enough currency to to buy them or or paying real money paying real money? Yeah in so that was already felt like pushing it. I WANNA know seasons different games like this. Yes where they are games as a service they are this thing to get into like. I always want not more to do because I think that like again just to use it as a game I know so well right right they have like what it's thirty eight episodes of DC like yeah that's a whole nother ball of wax crazy thing and on top of it. There's times when I'm in there and it's like cool. I've done all this stuff I need for this one thing now. I need to do the four player operation or the eight player rate. And it's like that's not what I'm feeling right now right like I like the one. I'm in a game. I can just keep keep going and adding and seeing the video game that I love seeing the X. P. or whatever ball fill in and I feel like I'm making myself better that is probably like the biggest beauty about passes that you get like that extra thing to kind of chase endorphin especially if you're if you're I'm not playing siege at the moment. Yeah right but if I was and if I was getting bored right that'd be awesome. Awesome bill bill will be like okay cool. I can buy extra bar hit these levels so I can unlock these things like that. Sounds like a lot of fun. So bell passes seem seem cool neurologist allergists in Alex. Ross have more clarification succeed battle pass for you before we move on right. Nanno says Ramos has been dabbling about pass during your four season three in August. A one week along free battle passes added then leading up to the upcoming tournament for thirty five days about a pass was added that parts of the profits to the prize winnings season-long battle passes we'll be he added year five also blessing for your squad up with me and seized. Okay is that that's a biologist and Alex is for clarification on seizures battle pass. It's an battle pass for the road to the six invitation currently with unique. Okay so it's coming later the four one but right now. They're all building up to the minute. That game is fun you replace each. We played it at launch in then double back for like things like RT whatever. Okay but it's another one of those games where you get in there and go man who really knows what they're doing. Yeah no you had to play with people that understand ZAND. It kebabs points out to crash. Team racing has about a pass style system. That's free to all and it's pretty neat so there you go never three other upper report. The Mafia three Studio Anti K.. Silicon Valley are working on announce games. This is Richard Wakeling over at game spot as part of take two's earnings report. The publisher revealed that two of its studios. I have been working on unannounced games that will be hearing about in the coming months. The first is from developer hangar. Thirteen the team behind Mafia two thousand sixteen mafia three take to president. Carl slag off wouldn't say exactly what the project is. Only that we'll be finding out at some point later. This year the other project will soon discover discover more about is from two K Silicon Valley. The studio was only established a year ago in doesn't have an official name yet but the team led by Sledgehammer Co founder. Michael Connery has already already been cooking up. Something take to also reiterated during the earnings report that the newly founded cloud chamber studio is very early in the development of a new bioshock game mm-hmm noting that it's still years away the rest of the news out of the call revolves around. Take Two's finances with grand theft auto five reaching a new sales milestone rockstar games being in a position. That's never never been stronger. Despite the looming departure of CO founder and writer Dan Houser and well. That's a news story coming up on a second though we're GONNA talk about. I won't talk about it here Blessing yes hangar. Thirteen unannounced game probably might countries game unannounced game. No idea or you think it's GonNa be after you for well. I think. They backed off because mafia three was like not a thinker. But it wasn't it wasn't included in any sort of way I unfortunately fortunately that game had like a very. It's the one following. Yeah it's one of the best stories of this problem or the game itself is like very you like Efi if he was a lot of opening fetes Colin when I came home from a trip and he was playing for my college. And you're like fuck the like I had fun with it. It's not like the best game and it was super fucking buggy originally came out. I feel like they. I think they patched it a lot afterwards. I think it's a A. It is a solid deserved seven for the overall like game The story is just another fucking level. Yeah honest people talk about it as one of the best stories this Jenn. It's fucking amazing. But the thing that I would like I don't need them to do a Mafia four but I would love for them to do another story in the nineteen sixties or maybe the seventies because they like like fucking put into that world except for when like you know like the the sky decides to like not render anymore and then everything is dark. Arken like weird and Shit But like the I don't know there's something about like the vibe in the aesthetics and like the the music soundtrack that they got for the that game just like it was a very special thing even though like in a very okay game so I would love to see them whatever it is if if it is another mafia if it's there's some brand new IP IP or something. I would love to see them. Do like a another sixty or maybe seventy world story game. Yeah I would like to see them get another crack in an open world game like learning. They've done telling another story there and just trying to tighten it up. Yeah yeah that makes sense and then connery. I'm super fascinated by. Of course I yeah you you know. Obviously we're GonNa talk about Michael Connery and like the most recent thing with sledgehammer sure firm e him and Glenn will always be visceral. They'll always be dead space. They fucking may dead space. You know what I mean so like when they went and did sledgehammer started being call of Duty Games. Great Cool like that's makes the money. Go to your thing but like now you're out on your own it's UK. Like I'd love to know what that's that's GonNa look like and what that'll be the fact that has turned around quickly with tell me earliest. The other project will soon discover more about a suitcase. Silicon Valley the city was established a year ago and doesn't have an official name yet but the team team has already been cooking up something that doesn't sound like it's coming out. I was going to say. Hey me. Thirteen sounds sounds like it should be more imminent. 'cause Swath through twenty sixteen. Imagine that games coming out within the next year or two right imagine this could be like a PS five xbox series x early game. Yeah that's right to you and then Silicon Valley will probably Abi fears out still but even then you think it's next year Jennifer hangar thirteen. Yeah you think they're pushing for probably uh-huh I couldn't imagine they reveal and release for ps four and Xbox one of those. For a while. I mean I could see it being a Russian thing but I think for sure I. I can't see releasing maybe next year only on xbox and PS four morphism launch title typical. Do you think there's any chance of that. I mean it's been four years. Yeah let me remember so I mean that might slow them down a bit but still I guess if it's in the there's two questions here if it's all brand new totally different ball of wax right. I'm stoked for both of them. I like the idea that both studio. Hopefully you're working on brand new. I be able to go out there and do whatever they want to do. Yeah Silicon Valley. I'm I'm curious to see what they're out there. Yeah since they're still like a new studio L. Hangar Thirteen. I'm more curious about like what. How do you follow Mafia three? Considering that game got praised for someone who's aspects but not necessarily like full the package it didn't knock it out part. I'm curious on how you follow that up and make that something worth caring about. I think you tell your own story. You Ain't nother story right and I think you do in learning all of a mistake. She made last time. But I don't think needs to be mafia because I think mafia is such a weird nebulous. Ip At this point. Yeah yeah cool like and that's the other thing is like I like Mafia too. I reviewed mafia to I think right like I enjoyed playing that game but like is there like our the Mafia. That's my thing you know what I mean. That was when they made thirty like when they announced three hours like do people really care about mafia too much but then I like saw their pre really stuff and I was like this game. Looks Cool like the World Look Schools reminded me of is g vibes But like you know in the I forget what decade that thing takes place like nineteen fifty s six hundred sixty s yeah sixties. Yeah and like the way the ways in which they kind of portrayed was it New Orleans yeah the way the ways in which they portrayed New Orleans seem pretty pretty cool But I mean that I. I'm curious to see what they do next. Because I feel like we haven't gotten as many like open world in a city Eh Games recently right like it feels like it used to be the thing man yeah used to be the thing in the. PS three generation here. Sleeping Dogs Saints Row watchdogs. But we've only gotten like to this generation those those games but I'm curious if that's the next step they take is like making another another one of those types of games or if they're like let's let's pivot. Let's do an open world fantasy game or some other type of I mean like it's always hard to say we're not inside that studio at the team you've built the tools you have now the experience you have after shipping mafia three. I think yeah you get out there and you take a crack out an open on world running round game. It's Ben Yeah. I don't think it's too hard to pivot now. Granted like we'll sucker punch but like their their exclusive right. They have like they're they're just answering to Sony. They're able to go out there and do whatever they want. Like I feel like for anybody. Lake infamous or infamous. Second son was early in the generation and since then they're pivoting out to go sushi. Ma Yeah I think that's more evidence that the landscape has changed as far as that type of open world city game you know if you're not. GTA It's kind of hard to compete right now compares to. That was a fun one to play in between. GTS Yeah Saints row like Saint. Israel's like this game is fun and Hilarious but I play and in my mind. I'm just comparing it to gte because it doesn't feel as good to play it doesn't get to drive by. I mean saints row did enough different things. It made it worth playing but even then like this whole thing right it was the it was the UN more. GTE YOU'RE GONNA playground. You can do whatever you want to beat each other super powers you can fly around around and do all these crazy things. Yeah number four on the rope report another shocking piece of news. It's been a hard week at Blizzard. This is Rebecca Valentine over games. Industry up is the launch chip blizzards remake of its till two thousand and two are game. warcraft three isn't going swimmingly and the company's investors have noticed during today's q four earnings call blizzard. Present isn't Jay Alan. Brock was asked about the games rocky launch over a week ago which has seen backlash from fans accusing it of performance issues cut scenes visibly. They differ from the ones shown in the game. Twenty thousand announcement changing popular elements of the original game. An end user license agreement change. That hurts the custom game community. The backlash rush grew strong enough that the game was review bombed by users on metacritic resulting in a point five out of one hundred users score the lowest currently on the platform quote concerning earning warcraft. Three reforge honestly. It's been a bit of a hard week. Proxima during the call. Brax said during the goal our community as come to expect really amazing things from us and we've heard from them that we did not achieve that bar but we stand behind our games and have consistently shown that not only do we support them but we continue to build on them even after launch. And we're committed to doing that here as well. So we're going to continue to update the game and we'll continue to update the community with our plans going forward and quote. This is in line with the company's public apology. Algae earlier this week for how the game was handled in which the company outland outlined in more detail. Some of the immediate fixes plans to put in place to address bugs and issues for online play however blizzard has also begun offering full automatic refunds for players through customer support system though this is not a new feature for blizzard as it offers the same kind of refunds on various other digital purchases it does not do this uniformly on full price. Titles no shit. It's been a rough week. Yeah no yeah. When she hit the I bet J brought when this is over for the first time in the show I think it was last week during the twelve hour stream at the beginning of it? Yeah and like I think it was a question about it and I. I had not heard one thing that seem like seems like a lot of probably five hundred rough seems rough. I'm not hearing about until now over the week. I've been tuning in more and we're on it. I'm like yeah. This is like a trash fire like this is like the house down the street being on fire and knowing whereas like I peek over outside the window. I'm like oh no. Yeah it's really on fire. Okay Ah but yeah I mean at this point what do you think they like. Do you think just make the game better. And they can't really silence his answer. I think they do have to over-communicated now like cool. Here's where it is and this is what's going on and Bobo like earlier this week you guys. Did the public apology right. That was one of them. Yeah so I mean it's like you can't shy away from it. You have to keep explaining how this happened what happened why or why this is where your fixes are and go from there and try to build up because you know Gary was on here yesterday we were talking about it like like you know. This isn't just you the listener. It's the industry in general. It's the mind of a goldfish. You forget things so quickly. So it's like when Diablo for really ramps up no no one's going to be really holding reforge over their head if they fixed agree if even if they had it it'd be like Oh. This is brand new. That was some cash in they did. Nobody cares about that. I no no I think I mean Enron made the point that like he doesn't have this is making him not have as much faith in something like overwatch to write like the way they're handling this. What is going on with overwatch? Do I mean yeah it was. It was announced but they didn't have they didn't give it a date. My prediction is next year. Okay but that's one thing they can just put out. Whenever you know be people people will show up for it because that was a list that I think that's what the Oh no they didn't open it with? Apple is calm because they opened with before but then they follow that up. Overwatch is the thing of like Gary brought up yesterday and it was literally and I know that like again. This is one of the things I try to be there for you and I try to have all the information mission but the video games are such a wide net when he brought a overwatch to. I think I'm ahead of like come out. was that a thing. Redid the fucking did they just like my wheels locked. What's going on over awesome? Yeah no it's interesting. I I love overwatch overtures by one of my games of this Gen Overwatch to for me. I don't know if it's doing what they showed on doing enough for me to be like. Oh yeah like the seems like enough of a step up for it to be to just seems like it's Salat of updates which are all pretty pretty good updates but we'll see it's the ongoing problem of if you are an ongoing game in their successful one obviously able to. How do you make people care about that? How do you get news about that? And like I think you've seen it. You see so many different takes on it where overwatch is such a huge success. Such a part of the culture. Now right whether it'd be overwatch leaguer whether it'd be people walking on their diva jackets or whatever like overwatch is everywhere and so how do you get that audience super stoked to that level where you can put on an update. You can put out a video you can always everything's but putting two on it matters others. It's the same thing of like marvel heroes when that was going and I covered that from launch at IGA. In right like we started eventually doing whether it was like. Hey can we come back and talk to you about Marvel Heroes Twenty fourteen or two thousand thirteen or whatever year they were doing and it was that they were using those. As hey like we're putting on a giant update and it is a brand new game. It is this new you know we changed so much and it was. You saw them try to figure out how to crack this code of promote something. That's already out because then you look again and I swear I'm not even do you get like DC Universe online there's thirty pieces of DLC. We'll see if you don't fucking play. DC You don't care about it same thing with like star wars All right like I should still going. Elder scrolls is still going online. It's like if you're not into that shit and you don't have to be forced to watch it at three press conference. Yeah you don't know what's going on in Elvis girl. Yeah or I see was one of those things where they the things they talked about for. You know such as people having overwatch one still being able to play with people who have overwatch to and like it was the last that felt kind of technical in a way that that feel like a lot of it was speaking to more hardcore audience. Insult to also talk about the single player mode which seems. I don't know if it's going to be like amazing it. This might be a heartache. I don't know why you would want to single claire. Military Overwatch. Seems like it's supposed to be most player game and it seems like it seems like it'd be a lot of work to make a single player mode worth caring about and overwatch. We're like a campaign pain mode because I think it is. I think it might be up. Not just talking about talking to my ass for watching the single payer. Yeah this campaign. Do you want Rick Ricky. McLaren fly running with clarification share. Not about that in particular but over watched you ricky says care clarifying the overwatch to situation. This is from Morgan Park a PC gamer quote from what we've seen so far overwatch is not your average sequel. It's most unusual feature. Is that some new editions like New Heroes and Multi player modes will also come to over. Wash one yeah additional charge. The two games will continue to coexist as one big P. experience while overwatch to other new additions exclusive to the sequel. So it's one of those things where what else can ability was. He was sorry. I don't know if this is like I don't know if he's a weird features or like I don't know if it's them like trying to appeal so much the hardcore or if it's them them being very forward thinking I just don't understand it seems like it's one of those things around like the way they're talking about like man so overwatch one players will also get all the overwatch to content. Why would I get the new game aside from the guest graphical updates? But it's weird. That is weird that those who are going to be playing together it seems. I don't know if it's going over my head and edifice just waiting to get closer to it may have to sit there and explain it right. Yeah so that's why I'm not. I'm not conflicted about it. But that's why I'm very curious about it but I also understand like given given reports situation why some people would be like we'll see was the company you know what we're not going to rush this one. We'll see out on that side number five other up report yesterday. Gary and I were talking about what's going on beyond good knee will do you think it's one of the games coming out and we're like no fucking way and now Rebecca Valentine's games industry that Biz says will Rebecca Valentine China Games instructors. I said Valentine's Valentine's Day which is coming up on it anyway. Back to rep really attached to sonic. Yeah Take Valentine's Day. This is bad advice. Take your date out. Sonic the Hedgehog the movie Sal. Valentine's Day there. You go free advice. Fans of beyond good and evil who delight on the Games announcement trailer when it was shown at e three twenty seventeen are unfortunately going to have to wait quite a bit longer to see what the prequel. DB's off twenty sorry twenty two thousand and three so weird to say a two thousand and three thing anymore space alien adventures store. I don't know that in today's earnings. It's called discussing the publisher Q.. Three results CEO. He's Gamal was asked by an investor about whether or not the game was part of Ubisoft plans for the next fiscal year. Chemo replied replied quote. It's not going to be in the five games. We will announce end quote he was specifically referring to the fact that you be has set it will be releasing five AAA Games in the coming fiscal year. That begins on April twenty twenty. We are in a few of them from statements made last year the three will be gods and monsters rainbow six and watchdogs legion all of which were delayed out of this current fiscal year. The remaining two have not officially been revealed. And as we keep saying excrete baby Ragnarok Rachmah world you know what I mean on it. You know Schreier confirmed yesterday along with other anybody Ramo six. That was it. Thank you very much fourteen. Yeah well now that was already in there that we Ramos fucking twitter three of the planet AAA aacsb. Releases will launch within the window of September. Twenty twenty two you December number twenty twenty while the remaining two will release between Jan January and March twenty twenty one anonymous. Says you're wrong. Don't take your date to see sonic take your date to see sonic. It's bad I'm telling you know the correct decisions at far cry brain dead on safe safe. That's exciting well. How why I did you play the last guy that came up new don? Yeah no yeah exactly I play cry five and I. You didn't like it either. Okay Yeah you couldn't move an inch without getting attacked by everything that world. That's why hated. I'm not sure I'm trying to go over there. Everything's gotTa talk now to be honest far cry fourth. I was alright far cry. Three is the one round. My foxworthy's amazing. Maybe far cry six might be far cry three again. He's gotTa Keep Hoping One day it'll happen okay. Well one day it will happen. Also take your date to see sonic. I'll do that at all number six. EA Games are costing more on steam. This is Frazier Brown Gamer. EA might be just returning to steam after a long hiatus but many of its older games have continued. Can you to be sold on the platform for years yesterday. Steam users noticed or started reporting that a significant number of them had jumped in price it seems to have been the regional. Prices have been hit with the. US prices remaining the same dragon. Age origins ultimate edition. For instance is now twenty four ninety nine pounds to twenty four ninety nine pounds a five five five pound increase One of the most ridiculous leaves. The Sim city. Four deluxe edition a sixteen year old game. That now cost seventeen ninety nine nearly double its previous price going through. EA's list of games. Most of them seem to have affected. It seems like a change in his approach to regional pricing on steam rather than preparation for sale though this doesn't explain the inconsistencies Z's aside from the recent fall in order. There's no obvious reason why some of the Games haven't changed and some haven't in some cases the prices are now double what they are in origin Though some of them were already more expensive on steam before the price hike so it's not like e as bringing them more in line with regional prices on its own platform. Whatever the reason you might want to shop around if you're planning on buying something thing from ea on steam is that Europe specifically? Yeah that was the the region. They're talking about you. Cut One paragraph in there that was basically talking to the effect of Hey like sometimes they do this right before they go on sale. act like a bigger price. Yeah but the way they're doing it. They're they doesn't make sense so if you're ready to buy sixteen year. Old Sim city. Four deluxe edition because careful on that one. Yeah interesting. Are they doing this to then sell people and going to origin to get their game. I mean that's the other thing they say they don't really believe right like they. They know better better than me. Obviously because we're definitely in a PC landscape here st man or whatever but they call it out there. Yeah so it's not like he as bringing them more in line with regional prices on its own platform. Okay so I I mean the the idea you would think so but that seems like a weird move but maybe they are maybe other non. I don't why they're doing what's happening. It's just a weird thing. That people are noticing out of the blue happening in the the fact that it's only it's only happening in certain regions super weird too. Yeah we'll see we'll see Number seven is gamespot going to be up for sale. Soon this is Ed Hamhung among and Nubia Ahmad over at Bloomberg Viacom CBS INC is weighing options. For seen it after receiving takeover interest in the product review site according to people with knowledge of the matter a number of potential suitors contacted of I comm. CBS about the unit. After chief executive officer Bob Backlash said. He's looking king to offload non-core assets following a merger with CBS Corp.. Last year that the people said asking not to be identified as a matter of private backlash continues assess options for a number of businesses and hasn't made a decision on the sale of seen it. The people said four Viacom. CBS declined to comment. CBS bought it for one point. Eight billion dollars in two thousand eight adding such sites is TV DOT COM and Gamespot Dot com seen its value is likely to have shrunk since then the people said seeing that provides consumer electronic product reviews and News Viacom. CBS which completed the merger in December is looking generate. Five hundred million dollars in cost savings. Backlash has already decided to sell. CBS's midtown Manhattan skyscraper known as Black Rock. which could fetch more than one billion dollars Bloomberg Bloomberg News as reported in December a little inside baseball always like human track of this kind of stuff though the fact that they're talking about selling off non-core businesses the fact they're looking at talking very specifically has seen that as a site not the scene at suite of sites that they got when they were part of this merger and everything else? Now I'm not this guy's had fallen or anything like to keep your eye on when your parent company size they wanNA start selling off and making money. You gotTA start wondering does. CBS Does Viacom Viacom. I guess actually five Viacom now sit there and go you know what does video games makes sense. It's like why do we have gamespot and Chhaya bomb. Yeah that's the other. That's an even bigger question. Yeah what if what you have to imagine with. It's always such a weird thing with giant bomb because beloved. Yeah great work. I'm not saying but in some respect if you look at them in a profit loss sheet I have to imagine. Giant bomb cost next to nothing and makes money off the subs yes Jon. Bon Premium is beloved by the fan base and they use it in spending similar how we use Patriot on right. So you figure if you're looking at some New York fucking finance type you look at you like. I don't even know what this is. It's breaking even if not making more money than what it should normally would be fine and then you get the gamespot and you'd be wondering okay. Cool how is our ads sales. What is going on? Yeah even with the trajectory of what are we happening this year with advice four. PS Five xbox. All that jazz their traffic's. He's about to go through the roof to the argument. All this is not is gamespot a failing business or anything like that. I mean he's killing lately. They've been doing a lot of really fucking awesome stuff. Shot at the audio logs. The question is does Viacom. CBS Look at Gamespot and go. This is part of our core business. This is what we think of when we think of Viacom. CBS interesting interesting. It is interesting not really because we have to. You know I'll put I'll get through with the another eight outer world. Sold two million copies. This is Eddie. Gamespot fallout New Vegas Developer OBSIDIAN P G our world has sold more than two million copies. Parent Publisher Publisher two K announced during its earnings calls this week. The outer worlds also launched a free game on xbox game pass subscribers but the two million two million sales figures is presumably referring to four-game sales on the subject this is interesting of subscription services like xbox game pass take to CEO Strauss's l.. Nick said it's an ongoing conversation at the company regarding how much the company will support programs like Xbox game pass and others. He said that as a general rule take to simply wants to release games where the consumer is and that it should include or could include different services at the same time Zell Nick said subscription services might be better suited for older titles as a way to give them a second lease on life what we think subscription offerings are probably better suited for to catalog. But we're willing to take experimental changes when it makes sense it's early days for all these platforms. He said so. Congratulations of course. No one to outer world obsidian good job on them. I know how many people adore that game game and then of course interesting luke from sonic right and I think it gives you a glimpse into what they're thinking that. Yeah this is meant usually for older games but on an unproven property like Outer Worlds is or was at the time right now of course we know what it is and xbox snapped them up but as what outer worlds is when we were looking at it. We don't know what it is. So let's take a shot on it. Put it there and actually guarantee your money. I feel like a lot of this implies that it was on to K- to put that game on game pass which of course they had involvement in probably like the biggest thing on that by imagining those Microsoft's push right to get out of the world's on game since they now own obsidian probably there was a good deal. Cut Their to do so for them to start talking about like kind of the thought process of of that in all of that in the thing that I think is interesting because I don't I'm not going to then put future titles on game pass at launch this I I I find some of this interesting. The argument you said you found all the articles interesting so far yourself however I think the would be like when I it's more of the fact that when it's UK going to work with. I guess this is the whole their Their I I WANNA call Blackley Wassenaar Private Division that whole their little publishing thing that's happening that's where you see. The moves for this right of working with smaller developers on smaller games was that aren't going to have a bioshock mafia or whatever John p behind it and then it is that idea of now you have a success on top of it. Where if this is true right or if if what Eddie is gleaming from it right we're talking about sold more than two million copies? That's on top of Game Pass installs that obviously spread the word as