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You're listening to Midori house. First broadcast eight of November two thousand eighteen on monocle twenty four. Hello. And welcome to Madari house. Comes you live from studio one here in London. I'm Andrew Mullah on today's show any attorney general whether this one or another should not be able to interfere with the Muller investigation in any way. They should not be able to end it. They should not be able to limit it. They should not be able to interfere with Muller going forward and doing what he thinks is the right thing, the midterms over the circus resumes. My guests Florence beat him. And George Brock will be discussing this and the day's other top stories including president Emmanuel Macron's curious choice of a moment to attend nuance. The mayor of all sorts decision to cancel an independence day March. And as one Dutchman launches a lawsuit against the aging process. How old would you rather be? That's all coming up on the Dory. House on monocle twenty four right now. Elkin to Madari house. My guest today. George Brock journalist and visiting professor at City University and Florence Beadman London bureau chief for agents FRANZ press. Welcome both, and we will start in the United States currently grappling with the possibility that the second half of Donald Trump's first term as president might be even weirder than what is preceded it in the hours since Trump lead the Republican party to a loss of the house of representatives in midtown elections. He has fired his attorney general confected yet another row with CNN Snead at his own party's losing candidates. And what with one thing and another has been too busy to even mention these so-called caravan of Central American migrants with which he was so preoccupied before election day will most as if it was never really that. Big a deal, George first of all it. It's not unusual for Trump with the deliberately or accidentally to throw up such a can you throw up enough lunch? Not really. But you know, what I'm saying there? There's so many stories it's hard to know where to look. Should the US media be paying more attention to the sacking of Jeff Sessions, the attorney general than it is to the disbarring from the White House of CNN's Jim Acosta. Yes, they should. It's not a good thing that the White House of done. It's not a good thing tool. The white has done. But yes, there are far more serious issues than somebody having that press poss- withdrawn because justified, but it's not in the end of the day that big a deal. This thing about Trump has isn't it? He has massively panted to again, who knows what liberty not the media's enthusiasm for writing stories about it self. The media loves writing stories about itself, and it's one of the things that it needs to adjust them. Correct. But they are learning a good many adjustments and corrections in dealing with President Trump. Why is he was agitated in that press conference was Trump got hump? It's not actually because CNN Jim Acosta who's briefly made the most famous journalists in the world forty-eight hours. But Jin customers be cursing. He doesn't have a book out. Well, I'm sure I can bet you think we can absolutely bet that he will do very soon. But wise, Trump's agitated he's detected because I think he is really scared about the Miller investigation will on which subject Florence the the sacking of Jeff Sessions is no great surprise. And by which I mean, if it was no great surprise to me. I'm sure it was no great surprise to Robert Mueller who must have factored in this possibility for quite a while. But doesn't actually matter because we are now in the position we wear as if if Robert Muller's investigation is wound down on Muller's, certainly if Miller is dismissed the Democrats will be nip position just ask them to come and testify to congress. Steeler sister, slow the process. I mean, if he doesn't have any money to investigate if like like, we take her say like the one who's in charge from Jim Jeff session, right? No provia. Really? If he has someone who doesn't support him that general. I mean, it can still be but in the end. Yes, you're right. That the Democrats if they want to fight this battle with Trump, which they may also not want to fight to the end, by the way, if they want to fight this battle, they have the into do it. Do want to return George to the the risk of being the media talking about it self it. We're going to do it. Anyway to yesterday's press conference. What if you made so far of the reaction of the rest of the White House? Press corps. They've been few sort of harassing statements in support of Jim Acosta. But have we reached or indeed past the point at which they should just now make a point of not turning up and just leaving Trump or he's representatives to yell at an empty room? I'm sure some of them attempted to do that. But I didn't think they can do that. How would however Bod the wrong, however, unprecedented. What is going on in the press room the White House or anywhere else in the White House? The media still have an obligation to record what is happening now. There are lots and lots of arguments and questions begged about exactly how they should do that. But I don't think walking away the answer Florence t think if you covering the White House, and if you're in the position where press conferences would routinely turning into what they have turned into. And it's not just trumpets. It's whenever Sarah, scientists in particular takes the stand. Would you decide for yourself or on behalf of your your agency that this this just no point in doing this? This is just a total waste of everybody's time. I agree with Joe. I mean that would be an incentive to ask more question. More embarrassing question. More precise question to to to wherever historians them. And by the way, I mean, it's very rare. I think it's only the third time that Trump is coming and giving that can of press conference. So it's it wouldn't be changed. But definitely the genetics should stay and the and go on with our job. Okay. We'll to return to the biggest event, which is the midterms. And the the way they have changed America's political dynamic. I'm going to ask each of you intern with this makes you any more or less ask you first, George any more or less optimistic than you previously were about what the rest of Trump's presidency may hold. I think I'm a little bit more optimistic about it. But not a great deal. Yes. The democratic controlled congress. Con now investigate call for evidence. Do a whole lot of stuff which people discussing for the last twenty four hours that they weren't able to do before because they were in the minority, but they don't control the Senate. The president has POWs that are independent of congress to some degree will making POWs in particular certain amount on the diplomatic front. So I'm a little bit more optimistic, but it doesn't go very far and Florence on a similar note. Is there anything perhaps to the idea that that Trump has been in an accidental catalyst for progress? We saw record numbers of women elected yesterday, some significant breakthroughs for various minorities. Not the Trump went out of his way to make any of that happen. But he is kind of a response to him. Isn't it? I hope he put up an even we duds kind of view to to tell you. If you need a Trump to do every Manisco's, progressing and. Yeah on what's going to happen? There is also a risk that there is kind of permanent floor between Trump and the Democrats in kind of you know, it's called I check and balance like e can be reined in by the democrat. But it can also come kind of a sense deal in that than those adopted that the congress would Indian be blocked by this contract. Well, we should move. All no. But not before noting that we will be looking at the ramifications of the midterms in greater detail on the foreign desk on Saturday at midday, but France now where president Emmanuel Macron has attempted the ordinance maneuver in these hyper sensitive times of suggesting that human beings contain multitudes, and that a single person may be capable of both great bravery and great depravity, specifically Macron extended a measure of. Appraised to Marshall Philippe time a hero of the first World War and a villain of the second to the extent that he died in prison lucky to have avoided the firing squad for his treason Florence first of all to pretend himself. What position does he now occupy in in the French consciousness the VIN? I think it's very very ambitious move. They make home to try to to integrate and change what he calls him said for the hormone unite like the nationally story of the country by giving it nyc new elements. Okay, there was before that was the ritual warrior of the first World War. This is not new, but nobody went so far. No other president before sufficed to have the ID to integrate him in commemoration because it's it's too much considering he was the one shook hands with Hitler. He was the one who had this perpetrator of Vichy who collaborated with Germany, the this in the conscience of French people. This cannot be arrays just to follow that up. This is what strikes muse the strangeness of it? Because it's it's impossible to imagine any chancellor of Germany sort of musing on the fact that Hitler won the iron cross on the western front, which is true. But why would you go out of your way to pointed out is there any? Tick, your reason, why Macron would have said this. Because I think there is also this side of bitten that he was followed by the French. That's what is because they had this confidence in him because he was the great William I will. So in in the collective history. There are still some people who see him as someone that that has been respectable. And he was you know, there is regularly kind of attempts by the extreme right from some movement to rehabilitate in, but they are really a minority. So I think again, it's a very over. I'm be she's attempt to to to balance history. But the moment it shows is so badly chosen, this is a lack of particular sense. Is it as simple as that George has has president Macron just underestimated perhaps because he's over younger generation for whom the war is an increasingly distant memory, how sensitive an issue. This still is because the may be a case that proton was a stout defender of done in the first World War. But it's it's it's certainly I think the case that he's Stoorikhel reputation has rather more on the debit side of the ledger than the credit side. Yeah. And micro was clear about what was on the debit side of the ledger. I I honestly think this is a confected row. I really do people. Enjoy outrage confronted row in two thousand eighteen. Well, exactly people love outraged. And you can always find somebody to be at raged. And I feel like defending any politician who tries to explain that. There are some subtleties and some nuances because there are subtleties and nuances Payton's career, which ended in complete an utter ignominy is not entirely a career ignominy. I think that's all he was trying to point that. Okay. He may not have done it a subtly as he should have done possibly. He should have chosen another occasion to do it. But really when a politician actually, get subtle. We should be cheering. Florence is Micron big bit on rounded upon here by opportunist opposition who've just picked up on the excuse to give him a bit of a kicking five don't think. So this is not any example, you know, you can be subtle. You can have a different view on what's a man's life. And whether he has the right to have a good partner back part. I mean as I said before like other prisons knowledge, there was a good side in the life of Pitta. But definitely an in history of friends. I mean, he was the villain the villainy. I mean, the deportation of Jews I mean, all the help of the French Vichy government, people Jews, the active and food justic help a something that nobody can can forget. So I think again Nils. Yes. But not not that way an- an- not now. I mean, it's I wouldn't even say it's too early. But I mean the role of. In the second World War will never be forgotten. Is this still though that particular period in French history still seen as very much a sensitive issue in French politics? No, it doesn't play such a role, but it's still a symbol. And there is a TV series. That was realized and that wasn't on TV those last year. Call a village in France about this story of collaboration and what happened after the war and who presented a nuance version of it like what it was to be a collaborative. Why people would be could it because it's kind of a moral issue too. So there is kind of thinking about it and this series TVs was very successful. But in in in politics, I wouldn't say it play role. Georgia's there, a guess a mirror of this here in the United Kingdom, which in the last couple of years in particular since since the Brexit vote, the has been I think spirited efforts by the pro Brexit tendency to try and revive the the nineteen forties in this this. Choice of Britain standing heroically alone against the forces of darkness is is it a a global problem? I guess a a simple simplistic understanding of history. I mean, you could argue that that's what Macron was trying possibly to address. I think he was trying to address something like that. I hope he was all politicians are probably guilty sooner or later and goodness knows so journalist of occasionally oversimplifying things, paulie because that's their job. I'm just I'm just celebrating on occasion, where he didn't go for the easy, simple one dimensional story. Let's just as a final thought on this. Florence Macron's argument for this was he said, it's right that we all know the marshals who led France to victory in the first World War is that how the war that struck me as strange choice of phrase because is that how the war is seen in France as victory the first. Yes, I mean this moment of glory in the end, we won an also you should think about the fact that it took years and years to to the French to a knowledge the role of Peter and what the collaboration was about. Out because aura nationally story over show now after second World War for years and decays was that the Goethe ride than we are held by the Americans. And then in the end, we we won't the wall and we tended for for the kids to to to forget that the duck period of of collaborations. So I think there was also this aspect I mean, it's it's of us to everyone. What happened there is kind of a consensus on its on? Nobody really wants that she together in to go into this debate of bitten so on. So that's why I think it was a bit risky by Makoto to to mention it. Okay. We're gonna take a short break. Now. You're listening to Madari house with me under Malone with George Brooklyn. Florence beat him and coming up next Walser was independence day March has been indefinitely postponed. Tired of seeing the same tourists. Travel guide series has stopped off in thirty plus cities and counting in order to dispense advice on traveling like. 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You're back with Madari house with me under Melissa with me are Florence Beadman and George Brock now last year, an annual March in Warsaw in honor of Poland's independence day was overrun by chanting boneheads extolling the virtues of aerienne supremacy second World War history, clearly not their strong suit this year, Walsall's mayor Hanna gronk of each Foltz has decided there will be no repeat of this squalid spectacle and banned the March pollens president Andre Duda suggested that he will now organize a March. But the only banners permissible will be Poland's own flag as opposed to those associated with organizations which have at various times attempted to stop Poland's own flag from flying at all George the mayor of also Hannigan kovic, volt is from the party in opposition to the the national government is this is this fair enough from her just saying this this this isn't going to happen thought. She was absolutely right. Most countries. Most states brittian included. Have powers for people to say if she's going to happen on the on the likelihood of violence, his high you can find it in. We do that's usually happened in Britain. I'm not surprised at happening in Walsall. If she's the person with the power to make that judgment seems to me the plenty of evidence that she could have expected a very nasty March. Indeed, it's just possible. They're going to try and hold it. Anyway. But I think she's doing a best. On that question that if they tried to hold it. Anyway, what sort of responses are available to the mayor of any city, fourth prince? Fights. Yeah. I mean, of course, the they have more capacities to stop this demonstration than to the people. We want Trojan is it to to to have it. So definitely it. It will be possible to to stop this much. And if there is another March organiz also, I mean, maybe in the end, I mean, who who will go to the extreme right mouse, the one you mentioned last year. There was lots of people the one this year. I mean, if people know that it spanned, I mean, really should be like, maybe some some hundreds. I don't know. I'm not wanted to know about there will be less people that would be willing to participate. It would be pleasant. If the spectacles reduced to something like we saw quite recently. Here in Liverpool with the English defence league. I think it was Liverpool wasn't sort of reduced to about twelve people surrounded by about ten times that many police trying to stop the locals throwing things at them out of that. But just. Decision. Very well there is there is a wide question. Hit George which is one of the far, right? Have come to see eastern Europe. And I guess especially Poland and Hungary as as such fertile ground. Well. These were countries living under communism for very long time. I think that changes political culture in all sorts of ways that at the western end of the continent. We may find hard to understand they seem to have the seems to be distinct appeal, Hungary and Poland being the current examples for governments taking a more for -tarian line hawking back to bide historical examples, which is exactly what this March was intending to do. I I think Hein might. There are at the same time in these political cultures people who want to move beyond that it sounds to me is if the mayor, whoa and her party or among those among that number. I personally, I kind of really really hope the Putman will get through this phase and returned being plundered and burnt country that it generally has been since the communist fell well, indeed. So Florence the has been a lot of talk recently mostly in the context of the United States about the degree to which the the language in the tone of those in charge can influence behavior. Just in general is there an element of that in Poland? Is this a kind of blowback from the the ruling Lauren Justice parties frequent invocation of national sentiment. Yeah. This is only have some sympathy with that kind of movement because they were taking vitamins tuition last year and. I think like Duda plan to to to be part of this demonstration. So this year. So it's definitely there are some links between this right and extreme right, which is quite worrying. And I think this has been a movement in Poland since since awhile George weighed, what do you think the Lauren Justice party full though, because I think there is a this kind of divide between politicians who invoke national sentiment fully aware of the likelihood of a violent or belligerent response in some quotas. And then there are those who possibly a bit careless and irresponsible, but who invoke it anyway. And then don't quite know what to do or how to respond when they get that kind of reaction. Well, I think the truth the truth. The matter is that the law and Justice party is one of those parties that include both elements, and that's what makes the polish situation particularly complicated. The there is it is quite obviously. A party, which has a big political base in Poland. I mean, a perfectly real one people freely vote for an in large numbers they've been cultivating been making progress for a long time. Now, they're in government but parties like that. And again, there are other examples in the rest of central central in eastern Europe parties like that have very very nasty Wrightwood fringes, and they don't spend much time cleaning those fringes out or indeed worrying about on the tool, in some cases, Florence is perhaps the indication here, or should there be an indication here of something of if you like liberal backlash because I think in fa- most of the last twenty or thirty years the center left center, right liberal democratic response to be extremists has been to on the side of let them have their March. Let them express their ideas. You know, we will win this argument with reason debate have we reached the point at which some officeholders like, for example, the mayor off also also within their arts. No, it's not happening. You can't not here. Of course. I mean, you you see that Hussein Germany like there is this the this will to join that kind of movement. But I wouldn't say it's new it's not neither in north where. Okay. Well, finally tonight in age in which various parameters of identity have become regarding certain quotas as malleable adoptable end debatable. One enterprising Dutchman has found the reductio ad absurdum of the trend Emil rattle bond. Apparently, a positively traina is seeking to legally change his age and in so doing his job description of positivity trainer av. Second most ridiculous thing about him. Mr. Attleboro is sixty nine years old which he says is limiting his luck. When applying for mortgages and on dating apps. There is ample evidence to confirm there is no law against lying about your age in the letter arena, at least georgiana on on that dividing line between you know, intellectual outlaw with an interesting point in time wasting attention Seco where are we placing Mr. Rutland proposers attention, see? The end of the spectrum Andrew. Completely absurd. I hope for goodness lately. Authorities whoever the relevant ones are in the Netherlands. We'll say to him, you know, don't don't be so silly. You know, people may wish moment to say they identify as ex but people identify as men or women on the complicated debate going on about that is partly a debate about evidence. This is something which is far as I can see Mr. Ronald, Dan hasn't. His mind ride yet. And if you're if the evidence is that your the US sixty nine and not what does he want to be forty-nine? He wants to fourteen he wants to be forty nine. Then he has an evidence problem that seems to me is the big road block here. What do you think Florence has has he a if possibly not deliberately? But has he found the that one absolutely immutable aspect of identity, the one that you can't just say, I n this. To me. It's kind of a genius because there is such a business. You know, like of staying young I mean beat like. Mediev- medication whatever there is this will business. No, you you should you know, life expectancies like two eighty years old. So how are you going to stay on till eighty and this guy has an answer, and it could serve, you know, the problem of the pension systems, for example has previous anymore because people are young he has infanticide promised to renounce his pension. If he's granted the wants because the can of worms he does then opened up if what if people twenty thirty years younger decide they want to identify as pensionable age and therefore claim this. I think he just put his finger on one of the topic of a photon stay like to stay young. And I don't understand what's going to happen. He didn't FIS himself as forty nine on Tinder. That on a date. And I think it's going to be a bit obvious in finis to him just judging by the photos, he is in pretty good, Nick sixty nine their getaway. Shaving five years off. Even maybe twenty is a stretch is ambitious. Florence. Oh, ask you is there somewhere in here a serious point, which is that people are living much longer than they used to living much more healthy than they used to for a lot longer and this has happened fast. But we are still retiring people at roughly the same age that we have for decades and decades and decades, which we are telling people in the early fifties. No, we won't offer you a mortgage. Do we really do we need to start rethinking what Al definitions of young middle aged and old actually are? Yes, this is what the discussion is guy started. No, I'm joking. But of course, it's it's absurd and not at Serra do what he's saying right now. I mean, what is like to what what is to be this edgy as no compared with what it was twenty years ago. There is a change down ready changes in the pension systems. I say like that they are revamping all of this. But there are many other notions that you you have you have to. Change not to the point of extreme where he goes. But still I mean, we are talking about it. I mean, everybody talks about this guy in about this questions. So it rings a bell somewhere. I think we should be alert to discriminate to people discriminating quite needlessly about somebody on that age. But I'm on the whole I think I'm calling sensitive to the story because it happened to be my best. I yesterday, I'm not quite as old as Mr. Rattlebone. I'm getting on that way and younger. Totally pull off forty nine. Thank you, Andrew. But the problem is I think is the older generation stain the way holding onto jobs. I don't I I'm very suspicious of this fantasy the people to be allowed to do whatever they like for as long as they like, indeed, they may be better at doing things, and they may get healthier. And who knows what medical science is going to do for us in the future. But that's different to occupying positions of power and leverage, which my generation has tendency to cling onto I think too long well on on that modest notion with with a rousing happy birthday for George that does bring us to the end of today show, George Brooke and Florence Peterman. Thank you both for joining us at Meduri house. The show was produced by Daniel Bates research by financial Augusta per second Garbriel del Asante stadium manage it was David Stevens music next nineteen hundred it's the urbanized with Andrew tuck this more on the day's main stories on the daily at twenty two hundred with Paul Osborne. I'll be back with Madari house at the same time tomorrow eighteen hundred. London. Now, I'm Andrew thank you for listening.
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This Dave Meltzer. With entrepreneurs the playbook and this week. I am so excited because I have the COO the Atlanta Hawks that Sheely to share with us. How do you get a job in sports? Most importantly, number one. He'll talk about not limiting report of entry and to how did get the skills, which is the actual hard skills for him. It was public finance to the knowledge. Understanding the situation knowledge and experience from mentorship. In order to get a job in sports and finally how to maintain the inspiration when you're paid nothing and trying to get your dream job. This is onto preneurs the playbook each week. I bring you some of the greatest athletes celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional playbook to success and what made them champions on the field. And in the boardroom. I'm your host and CEO of sports one marketing, David Meltzer. Day Meltzer, CEO's sports, one marketing here with entrepreneurs the playbook, and I have fads Healy the COO of Atlanta Hawks and a Buckeye like me there we go. Thank you for taking the time early at Super Bowl to meet me. Absolutely. Thanks for coming in. Now. When I wanted to talk about most entrepreneurs the look in limit their point of entry. They say I want to do this and keep it very narrow foul. It'd be the GM of the jets going to be Mike right among right? Right. Right. Well, you, and I both have learned through our journey that sports is an industry, and that we truly need three things skills knowledge and desire in order to effect. Wait, what we wanna do where did you start your journey as far as wanting to work in sports, get skills, knowledge and desire. I like that. I would say I think I had a sort of random point of entry but really start around skill. So my second job out of college. I worked in public finance. I didn't really know what I wanna do. I was an urban studies. Major in college. I love New York. I love titties. I love growing up in Ohio. Right. He's a big football ambig- basketball fan. I never played. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. And so love sports. But you know, I went to Columbia. It's not like her, you know, athletic programs like the having the SEC no offense to Columbia. But but I was not ever thinking that I was going to have a career in sports at that point. I liked to politics. I liked urban studies urban development, and it's my second job. I got and I. By second job. I took because I wanted to go to business school, right? And I was an urban studies liberal arts undergrad, I was like there's no way I'm getting into business school unless I can show some some background and interest in finance. So so God John finance with with a Columbia Lum. Who said I'm an investment banker for New York City. So I didn't really know what the investment banker apartment, but I knew what New York City man, I thought that was interesting there's gonna stop either by I have this hole in my heart because I'm one of six kids all my siblings went to the Ivy leagues. Except for me. The reason is I wanted to play football. I had one college that would let me play right? Can see why? But anyway, you know, we talked about one Columbia loneliness. You don't wanna vantage is because there's a big sway. Entrepreneurship. Should I go to college? Even college is expensive. I wanna get in business, but relationship capital is really important. And I think the experience of going to college beyond the education is just as important as the education itself, and I find so many very successful people that have learned personal skills and have asked for help from that community, which they're involved with whether it's Colombia or not you go to state and even get a bigger community Columbia, right? Just as Sean scenes can easily help you. Yes. As much as your friend. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, relationships matter for help. Yeah. Absolutely. And ask for help it asks for connection anything. It's always like what's going to open that front door. Right. And when someone feels like just like we connected over Akron, Youngstown, Ohio. What's that first connection and people who shared that colleagues? No matter where you go, right? That's an important connection point. Always don't always. Remember that right lesson people by emotion for logical reasons. So I always telling you find out something you like or don't like and then move on from there and people will people want to help people. Yeah. So you go get your finance and public finance. And so and just by chance I wasn't analyst analyst and investment Bank in nineteen Ninety-four works one hundred hours a week, and spreadsheets and PowerPoint and and doesn't do much else. And yet I got lucky that when I started the analyst for a guy who had just finished an institutional investor dealer of the year on a project financing for the Portland trailblazers need an analyst, and I was sort of the next guy up, and I became his analyst, and he was chasing sports deals around the country. And I was like, oh, this is pretty cool develop some relationships got to know exactly sort of how these buildings got financed fit really into my wheelhouse of my interest of I think arenas and stadiums. Are really critical piece of what makes it he's work. And I was like this is so wrong. My business school essays about that about the intersection of sports in real estate and politics, and and then for my internship between my first and second year business school through relationship. Hold up a guy who I'd worked with. And and he was just leaving the Toronto. Raptors to join the Miami, Heat, and he said come on down, and that guy's been a mentor and a friend of mine for twenty five years. You know, it's interesting pick up on one for as you said, you got lucky, but before you said, you got lucky you worked really hard in high school to get into Columbia. You were really hardly Columbia. You worked one hundred hours a week and the nail which another lesson for entrepreneurs. You know, I'd friends who graduated law school did very well in law review in this at all making one hundred and fifty thousand dollars right now law school and the trick you make seventy five thousand now, what are you talking about you work, two jobs? Right. Doesn't entrepreneur. I look at the exact that'd go, you're working two jobs. One hundred hours a week is two and a half. I hope he made to believability. But anyway, I think it's important because Mike Tannenbaum one of our friends and GM of the jets and executive with Ross and the dolphins. He always said, I got lucky, but most people don't know 'cause I went to law school with him that he worked for six hundred dollars a month. Right has to Jewish parents in one hundred thousand dollars law loans. That's not an easy thing. Exactly sacrifice. Zoli I want people to know as onto preneurs you'll these stories about getting into sports and working and me, I had a ser ser q. One of those non St. ten gentle career where I met Lee Steinberg after being the seal of the world's first Martin phone, a VC in working very very hard, but concentrated, and I always got so lucky 'cause I met Lee Steinberg Jeff Moore left and all of a sudden I was ceelo and then CEO the world's most notable sports agency. But that's not fair to entrepreneurs. Right. Because I created that yet. I was prepared. And he said this guy is a winner. Yeah. He felt like I was helping him just as sure your other. So we'll sales guy that we worked with at the jets always said you make your own luck. I think that like right luck is certainly a part of it. But the hard work the make part of it is just as important. And so. Yeah lucky but you gotta make your luck. Sometimes now Higgins, you guys are close friends. Matt Higgins has an executive with Ross's? Well done extremely well. But I remember Noor because you you have my dream education career, I two siblings, go to Columbia Harvard, and for me, it was I'd like to go play football. Mbia? They were in twelve guys probably. I would have played that thing. Like, I knew I love playing. I did want to sit on a bench somewhere. But then you got your being. That would have been my Pap, Matt Higgins has Judi. Absolutely. I think he's acceptable. Almost anyone. I know in the businesses sport absolutely incredible. And yet you someone that went to the Ivy leagues you don't look down on that. Or no one ever thinks about their impressed by I think that it's I don't know. What point I just had my twentieth? College reunion, and like I had a great time college. It was not because it was called me because of my friends because experience because New York, but I don't know what point it happens. But it takes awhile ten years or more to say like like, no one ever asked where you went to college anymore. Right, right. I think also like not to be me. I'll have Jewish parents. But my parents were both educators education was really important and that for them. The father always said the greatest gift that I could ever give education. Right. And that's he gave me great one at. So how they motivate you to be such a great student. Guilt. I mean, it was a real expectation. I don't know. It was like there was a very sort of narrow path that my brother, and I talk about like certainly through high school that you know, we were middle middle class kids in in Youngstown, Ohio that there was some understanding an interest of how to get out and education was the path out nicer that'd be parents left. There are New York rates that they actually retired and and have a little apartment in New York, so dot and I both agree. Ohio is a great place to be from. We love it. Okay. So we're not limiting our point of entry. You know here. You are public finance degree MBA from Stanford met this guy from Portland trailblazers. How do we end up being such an executive seal of the Atlanta Hawks so twenty years ago when when I got into sports and graduate and business school? I went to Miami. And and I took, you know, not the super high paying sort of corporate job or consulting job. Or that point you know, jumping into the tech world in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight in Palo Alto. And I don't think people looked at me scans because entrepreneurship at Stanford was super super critical to everything they talked about and highly rewarded and how they regarded by all your classmates, and so people like folks that went off and did their own thing. And but no one was there were no sports programs. I mean, I guess maybe you'll how you had one mass me. But there weren't sports clubs everywhere. Wasn't Sloan there. One of these business school kids who got into sports. It wasn't even sports law program. Exactly. Right. He was like literally the sports club or right certificate. You could. Right. And so in a weird way like because there wasn't that you have to do this and do that. There wasn't a path that I had to go down, and I had to get into sports through the sales side of things. I probably I probably would not. I've ever gotten into sports, but it was through the real estate side. It was through the project side, and then I learned on the job. And I had a great mentor who I remember one of the very first meetings. We sat down with the architects, and we rolled out the plans, and everyone was talking about when people walk year, they go there. And the next thing we're going to use this, and we have to have a bathroom there. And I was like how do you know, what people are going to do to building? And yet like you start to understand it that way you start to read plans and understand that. And I think from sort of just the way my mind thinks and loving the built environment. I think I really connected to that. And learn a lot about that. And then use that as my entry point my sort of expertise or skill said to to build a career, and I think what had happened, you know, for a long time sports was really just a ticketing business. Right. Then it became a media business. Right. And then became a real estate business. I think it's even becoming more of a real estate business today than it was twenty years ago has Christ sort of just absolutely I. Again, got lucky right? But like my interest and the opportunity aligned, right? I like this real estate thing. And that was the need that was the fear. That was the thing that sports owners knew they had to look outside of sports to say, how do I do this? Right. And I sort of was was right at that intersection. It's interesting you say that because I've pivoted my career several ways I got into internet then middleware yet, then hardware with Samsung's for cellphone CEO, then into the BC side. But what I've learned about sports is I pivoted from sports agent, which was really much pretty much lawyer who can people right right to understanding content, and we actually are similar places in our career because you're actually building the structure that houses beautiful state farm, and especially Atlanta hasn't seen the two stadiums here. Incredible SunTrust is done up in Marietta. I feel like that Atlanta the venues from three years ago today Atlanta's a must see city for venues. Yeah, it's funny because I. I know so many about a million people are in here. But they're like, I don't see any more southern. Go to Augusta infield. Like, it's the Metropol biggest airport, it's credible. But I see the stage theory, which is really interesting when you started describing the assumptions made when building the stadium house monetize where the flow people will we're pivoted in my career as I saw that. I'm a speaker, and I used to travel all around the world just for thousand people I would be excited and then arena with a thousand people who pay me to be really cool. But when I started realizing it wasn't any more about how many people were in the arena. It was this was staged for the world now. And when you're building your Rina's, not only do you have to build for who's going to attended park and go to the bathroom and buy food. And yet, we're the trash goes. And all the things that people don't think about be you actually have to think about something else. How am I going to distribute this to maybe a billion people and? How you you? Don't you were trained in technology, but technology is a huge facet of what you're doing. Now. Absolutely. How did you take that on the job training and learn that that's out of the business because it's critical to what you do. Absolutely. You know, I think it's changed also over the course of time. I mean, I think one of the pollution in my thinking about sort of what these buildings are is. Yes, it is a stage. But that and how you promote and produce and how people consume that content around the world is super important. But but I think from where we make our money, right? That we make our money in a very these are big brands, right, but small businesses and local businesses, and we make our money in a local market and the way we make our money is to get people out of their homes and through our doors and into the venue. And that might think I think is as the world has changed, and we live in a much more experience economy. How technology is driving so much of our lives that the live experience the live experience is so valuable that that's what brings people together. I remember going to see the Cowboys stadium, which is amazing I opened and Mr. Jones took us around, and we looked it up. But that scoreboard if we were like, this is amazing. He's like out of make it a bigger scoreboard because people could just watch TV at home. And and I agree with most of which area says, I think he's a genius. But that. The thing that struck me as maybe the wrong approach. I agree. I like to the national championship game. You know, which one guys when I was bummed because I had these great seats, and I ended up watching TV, right? I love the emotions around me that love to win. Exactly. I agree with you. And so what what what struck me was that know, the difference is you can't invite eighty thousand people in your house to watch TV with you. Right. This is that social experience of bringing everyone together. And so we thought a lot about is what what's the experience economy today. And how do we bring that into the building? And so we did a bunch of things that it's not that they were the first time done in sports, but they were just a different approach. Right. So coming from football the lot of football stadiums have figured out. How do we create the great experience for fans to get them on the field right MetLife stadium. Atlanta, Dallas they all have these floor clubs that people come out. They put the turf under your feet, and you go back into a club. But you literally are standing right behind the bench. It's a horrible place to watch the game because the men. Are six foot ten right? And so you can't see anything. And yet people love it because they are part of the action. We took that concept, and we challenged our architects, and we said what does that look like in arena? How do you do that in an NBA venue? And so we took out a Cup. Maybe maybe about one hundred seats there were right behind the basket that are a little challenge from sight line anyway, because the you have the hoop right there, and we took the hardwood from the court extended it back we built a three dimensional hawk bar that you can stand at and if you have a floor seat, you're now not restricted to just sit in your twenty three inches of your seat. You can get up people walk around, and you can stand at this hawk bar, and you're not gonna have a conversation, and we're literally this far away from the action. So how do you create those experiences that people can share with each other and talk to each other and still see the energy and action the game? That's what we're trying to do. So to me, the technology almost is driving us to how do we create these other social experiences that people can share? Hair? And then how do they populate their digital lives through that? Right. I would be. I shared my seat within candidate the league game. I amplified immediately over there. Right and great business development tool because everybody wants to be seen. Everyone's their best selves on social impact coming from Ohio when LeBron James came to Cleveland, it was one of the worst cities supposedly that people wanted to live in they wanna championship. And I was there with Gilbert where they had the ring ceremony, and they read off the statistics about how many people wanted to live in Cleveland all because that team won. Well, you know, it's an incredible thing. But it's not just you know, when you were in your business about facilitating the team, it's the millions of people that come here to see the other team or concerts here that suitable your venue is being utilized. You know, the teams gone. Yes, there are millions of people that want to be in that the party. I think there's more people. Wanted to be there. Then we're absolutely just great for you. Yes. And it also has a great economic social impact do you when you're looking through and developing this take that into account like how are we gonna affect the hotels? The restaurants in all the other things outside the immediate. Or you just looking at the profit of the team in the arenas. I mean, whether it's the I think there's two pieces of impact rate that go outside of just the bottom line profit for us. There's the overall economic impact to an our role right in the city of Atlanta. Right. And then there's I think an even more critical social impact piece, but you know, you look outside the window and you see all within a fairly tight zone thirty five acre park and Centennial Park, which is the host to the NFL experience the one of the top five convention centers right in the US that's home to the Super Bowl experience and commissioners party tonight. Obviously, you know, state farm arena, which is hosting this F L on-location concert series. Which is I think one of the. Times that they've really leaned into it in that way. Then you have all this open park space between the arena and the stadium for all the NFL tailgating and pre event festivities and Mercedes-Benz across the way, having those three venues and arena a stadium and convention center. All with walking distance to probably ten thousand hotel rooms, that's a great driver for economic impact. Downtown atlanta. We think that's great also on the Marta transit line. And so we there's a reason we say why stay from arena is built on the bones of Philips arena and Philips arena was built on the bones of Omni, the initial arena Atlanta. It's a great location the perfect location for an arena on the social impact piece. You know, Tony wrestler? Our lead owners, I think is very community minded he he he sees the team itself as a community asset. But he also sees it as a community building tool and so over the last five years, we've built twenty five courts community courts throughout the city of Atlanta. We call building bridges through basketball, but we're not just building courts there. We're bringing programming after school activities camps even special programs like doing vision tests and grinding glasses for kids who can't see this the the blackboard at school to be able to improve their lives. And I think I think the teams have a responsibility obligation and an interest in doing that. And that's that's been really really powerful because I've seen it. I sit on the board of the national high school Basketball Association, and you guys are the lead in visiting after school programs. So kids have something these kids that play high school basketball. There's just kids who need something. Julie. That's better things to do for. Sure there. Last question on that being legacy when you build and run these types of teams and organizations and structures. They have a great legacy tied to them. And you're still very young would legacy. You know, you're pursuing something. Well, the magazine a you pursuing in your career now that's a really good question. I like to think that the projects that I've gotten to work on. For a lot of reasons, but have been a part of making the city, a better place, w that's like I've necessarily ever said it that way before, but I do think, that's that's that's what drives me in some ways. And you look at American Airlines Rena the old name, your you. Reno was only six blocks from his current location, and yet maybe the worst location for her to read ever versus right on Biscayne boulevard right on the bay connected into what was just the bay from Arthur place. But now you've got the formula art center, you got the museums. You've got all that development up and down this game boulevard. I'm not gonna say that that wouldn't have happened with how what Micky Arison in the Miami Heat did with American Airlines Rena, but I do think it matters. And I think it matters at a bunch of different levels. It brings people in it brings a really invested owner right to make sure the area around them is important stakeholders are important, right? You know, like from New York you look at Bryant park. Bryant park had a the the new York Public Library, one of the most significant institutions in the city of New York. And yet it was. Horrible through the eighties nineties, you know. Dan, Biedermann created thirty four three partnership partnership. All of a sudden had a stakeholder that wanted to make something great out of it. And it is now it's one of the great urban spaces. I think in America and then so right? And so in yards is right. I was there three years, and that's tactically ambitious project and only guy like Stephen Ross, and Jeff blah, and and Jay cross who was my mentor could pull off or think is even possible, and that's having a huge impact. And I think the way they're knitted into into the high line and into the extension of the seven line and thinking about what makes city is really impactful until we're here, right rebuilding or the state farm arena and working with Tony wrestler and his family on a broader development of the goal to basically fill in thirty acres. That separates the Penn station of Atlanta are monitoring's at hub with the stadium convention center in the arena. I think is a really special opportunity. I hope that Atlanta's better for and I hope to. A little argument. It's great to create that ripple and see the effect. Yeah. Substantial faxing you've done that. And I really appreciate you helping us. Learn these lessons from point of entry into the intensity of what you do to allowing things to happen. And of course, asking for help and having Qi mentorship. I'll forgive you for not helping me get into Stanford. Chilly the seal the Atlanta Hawks here with entrepreneurs the playbook. I hope you enjoyed this week's episode of the playbook as much as being on a personal note. I just wanted to thank everyone for making such a success. Don't forget to continue it by sharing subscribing and listening to your favorite episodes is Dave Meltzer with the placement.
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Hour 3: In Bakers Hands
Spain and Fitz amazing story from Seth worker sham that hit today on ESPN dot com about the Browns, and somehow we've managed to have two conversations about this without mentioning one of the most standout portions of the story revealing not just that the failures came at the highest levels when it came to hiring the right people putting into plan putting into place a plan and sticking with it or anything like that. No, even the marketing team struggled when it came to the Browns fits, I'm sure you know, what I'm getting to here at Spain. Infants there's Bain and Jason Fitz on ESPN radio the espionage app and Sirius XM channel eighty this. Part of the story stood out to me marketing executives wanted employees to see how fans were engaging with the Browns on social media. So they projected the Browns feed onto a giant wall at the facility. It was like broadcasting talk radio over the entire building and one day in particular. It was worse than that. One of the marketing staffers entered a search for hashtag DP for dogpound. The problem was. That hashtag carried a few different meetings. One of which triggered an array of porn to be broadcast onto a wall for the entire office to see for more than twenty minutes until attack employees killed the feed as someone on Twitter set bits that tech employees should be running the team now because he actually found a way to get something done. While that's savage, and look that's just sort of when it when it goes wrong piles on. And that's this is just another example. I mean, the the devil's in the details in in professional sports and so much of successful business. And it's just another example of somebody not thinking through the details and it coming back to bite the Browns and the button, and that's it. I mean, the the article and check it out on ESPN dot com. If you haven't yet, it's long into deep dive, and it's painful to read for for Browns fans because it's just reminded that at every turn where things could go wrong. They have gone wrong from the Browns, and frankly, the browsers and organization have no one to blame but themselves. Yeah. And there are moments of hope within it. And a lot of Browns fans have been frustrated today say, oh, why are you focusing on the negative look to the future and the positives? You can't look to the future of this team without first acknowledging and addressing the reason for their failures in the past because whether or not Baker Mayfield is great or you believe in Freddie kitchens. The man in charge is still. Jimmy, house them and us far. He has not proven that he is willing to believe in something long enough to let it fully play out hill by in on something whether that's Sashi Brown's analytics or a traditional football guy coming in and saying this is how we need to win. But he won't see it through. He'll give in when he's too impatient. For another losing stretch. And that's the key here. We had set wicker Shimon to talk about the story, and what stood out to me was when I asked him. Would you feel the same way about talking to Browns fans about the hope for the future? You did before you wrote the story as after all the research and the writing of in my central point was all the optimism surrounding this team. Did it get tempered at all by understanding the mechanisms by which their failure has occurred in the past and his answer was this. Yeah. 'cause the quarterback hasn't changed. He's only gotten better. I think the question will be can they keep him getting better? And can't they keep him. You know defenses are going to have a year to study him. And can they keep him ahead of the game? And you know, that to the is gonna be vital. But again, it's like whatever reason it happened. Whether it was lock talent the floods. Head of all history is in the situation day ended up with a guy who looks like he could be a legit franchise quarterback. The guy is a unique player his person, and he could be a fixture and icon in that city in only thing besides injuries that could get his way is this team history. That to me is gonna be the most fascinating thing to watch the next couple of years. The pressure. He's basically saying no, I feel complete hope in this trash heap of an organization solely because of the quarterback, especially where no other major change that can affect the outcome of the organization is being made. When your owner is the biggest problem when your owner is not good at his job of owning. Then you have no reason for hope now of their reason for hope is Baker Mayfield. The not only does Baker Mayfield after be good. He has to be so good that it races all of the fields that you get when you find out how bad ownership is. That's asking a lot of a young quarterback. Hey, don't just win games. Don't just develop. Don't just get better at your job. Don't just be a star quarterback save this franchise from an ownership that doesn't know what they're doing yet. So I don't want people who are listening to are Cleveland fans to think in any way. We're downplaying how much we believe in Baker Mayfield. How much he can change the fortunes of this team. A great starting quarterback on a rookie con. Attract that you might have for the next twenty years is the biggest key to success in the NFL. We are not downplaying that. At all, my point is merely that if you look at the other opportunities this team has had and the ways in which has them and others have been able to sabotage their own success. There is a fear. That Baker Mayfield might not be enough. I understand the enthusiasm fits after entire seasons without one win. But what they did this year is mediocre anywhere else. It's bad anywhere else. Right. You're not settling for this many winds anywhere else and considering it a victory. So the fact that it is for the Browns tells you just how early they are in the steps towards becoming a contender. The you can't just say everything's fixed now because they've got kitchens and Baker Mayfield. They gotta make the right move surrounding those guys, right? Because let's remember that the Redskins thought that they were going to be perfect after they got RG three hundred percent. The Buchan ears thought. I was going to be fine with James the titans thought more iota would be a savior of the Rangers. Or was a mess. Right. Turned it around things can change after that first season you have to find continuity. That's the only way to save a franchise. That's just putting an extra layer. That's all we're saying. I think at this point is like I'm not saying Baker Mayfield can't be the next. Great thing. What I'm saying that if he's not the next great thing, then it's going to the organization will collapse, and the other part of it is you have to trust ownership to allow continuity to give him what he needs. So he's not learning a new system every eighteen months. Why would why do you trust Jimmy has lem to finally be patient even more? So now when he finally has a piece that he can look at it and say this is going to drive our franchise forward. I mean for the quickly enough. I'm out right? Exactly. He has expectation. Now, he has expectations that have to be met. If he was unmanageable without those. What's he going to be now? Yeah. And you're right because we talk about this. And actually, I think you might remember that like pretty early on in the season. I said I don't feel bad for Browns fans because I think it's exciting what they're going through. Now, I will feel bad if a seven and eight and one season means that they expect next year. Okay. We're contending for the Super Bowl because it'll be such a disappointment for them. It doesn't turn around that quickly with at least a dozen usually turn around that quickly. Now, I'm one talk because my bears were worst of I this year. Right. And so you can see in the NFL more than anywhere else. That parody helps you make good on on changes. That are helping your franchise. I just worry that exactly like you said there are finally expectations. It's a lot easier to play with house money. It's a lot easier to come from where the Browns have been and have a season like this. Whereas Seth pointed out, Freddie, kitchens and Baker Mayfield did the unexpected. They had basically the same exact setup issue Jackson. Then you saying, oh, I don't have enough talent. Things aren't the way. Things are set up. I can't succeed. They take everybody. Exactly the same. And they. I find great success. Right. So they did the unthinkable which is like look at the garbage around them in in Cleveland and say now we could still go out and win. The question is when you're not playing with house money anymore when you do have expectations when it is an off season of this coaching staff and everybody ready to go. Are you going to be able to follow that up? Again. Also going to be interesting to see not only are defensive coordinators right now studying everything that Baker. Does there also studying Freddie kitchens who because he'd never been a coordinated to that point? No one had any indication of how he calls games in. What is flow looks like they'll know that going into next year. So you've got expectations and you've got a full off season where the the rivals and the teams facing them are going to spend that time getting better at Qatar shut them down. There's going to have to be huge. Evolution just to keep stability in the franchise. Brown's GM John Dorsey was asked about Southwick or article today on Cleveland radio ninety two point three the fan. Here's what he said. I've been with this organization for thirteen months, twelve months. Yeah. And it's. Been awesome. And it starts with top. With ownership. Listen what I like to say. These guys are so supportive, and they will submit. I mean, they give us every rate source we want, you know, when we sit in meetings. You know, the one question they always say at the end. What can we do? Is there anything we can do to help you guys? Is there anything you need? I mean, that's all you can ask worth ownership, you know. And they deeply care now about the people in this community they care about this team and the people in this organization, I couldn't be prouder the save it. I I'm you know, I worked with the Cleveland Browns. And all I know this Jimmy d has them I have a respect for these people. I'm really happy that he's only been there a short time. But he's already learned the exact language used by the Browns every time they get up there and tell you it's going to be different this time. It's gonna be different. I don't know. He can't say anything else. I don't blame them for that coming up. It's time for your answers. The quarterback you'd wanna fight in the octagon and the analyst you'd least wanna face, plus your most irrational fears. We got your answers from the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz Orlowski is afraid of the dark. He revealed as much on my that's what she said podcast this week, which had us questioning you about your most irrational fears, not that being afraid of the dark is totally irrational. They are scary things in the dark, and you can't see. But you'd think big strong quarterback might be able to make it up the stairs in his own house at night without a couple nights. Not the case. Spain and Fitz on ESPN rated the espionage and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz and some of the funny kind of irrational fears from some of our listeners and wanted to. Hundred flowers dot com. Twitter are pretty good car washes car washes watch. Manmade heights. Someone's like totally cool with climbing a mountain, but stadium steps like really high in the stadium is scary any creature that looks or feels like it could be an internal organ of a human being. So a slug towed he'll excetera very random. This one speaks to me Jerry says the seller. I'm not sure why. But you know, of course, there's no cellar monster. That's that speaks to me like basements basements. They can't. When I was a kid like basements. Definitely greet me. I'm still sort of imagining like if we're Lobski accidentally leaves a light on downstairs does he run does. He do like the rundown turn it off. And then like run back up. This has this like light flashlight on his phone the whole time. Oh, good. Call now carries an old school lantern. Greg gave us the answer of the dentist. That's not a rational people are scared of the frayed, Tim. I like this one fear of a centipede crawling through the drain in the bath. While I'm taking a shower. I saw it in a movie want that have never gotten it out of my mind. That's definitely like my spider story. Like once. It was in there. Can't get it out. Jeff Norman is great tweeter friend of ours. Every fear. I have is completely rational, especially the fear of clowns. Clowns are creepy as hell, no. They don't bother me by guy. No that makes me in the small minority on this. Like, I always think it'd be fun to go to parties is like jacked up clown. And then I'm constantly reminded that nobody would ever talk to me again. Yeah. Probably not Jacobs says June bugs, my wife won't go outside. If there's a porch light on. Oh, wow. Very random. Yeah. Anyway, Daryl off ski despite being afraid of the dark still believes and says that he would absolutely destroy fits in a fight and this came up because Stephen a Smith, and Derek Carr of may or may not be fighting in the octagon after after max and Steven said a couple of things about Derek cars abilities as a quarterback. Derek Carr reached out jokingly today in a white the see if he could set it, but may match with Steven A. And this got us asking you guys of all of these starting quarterbacks currently in the NFL who would you fight if you were forced into the octagon with someone anyone and then analysts said, he has peon if you had to fight one of us who would you least want to fight? Who is the scariest is said, Stephen Jackson and ally manning, you said mariota and Jay Williams, which you've now rethought and decided that might be it might be golden junior j Willis still high on the list because I told you he would toy with me and embarrassed me in front of the room until he was done with me. And then he would still finish me. I'd rather like. He would beat you mentally. I right, right. Right. Like, see? I think some of the big guys would just take it on. Now, I've seen a couple of tweets for Damien Woody, and I will say this is sort of a random fun fact about what he who every time I try and shake his hand. I realized that my hand is about the size of his pinky. But he's actually a gentle giant because he knows he could crush anybody. So he shakes hands very gently. So when I think of Woody I think like what he sort of he's he's a gentle teddy bear. Very big teddy bear, here's a couple of good answers. Drew says Kirk cousins he'd have no awareness. He's about to get hit as says Nathan Peterman. He's going to be off target all fight lot of Peterman jokes on your lot of Biedermann. Ryan Andy Dalton he never makes it out of the first round and Amani. I think he knows how to fight and he's got reach. I think the money would be a scary one not messing with him. A lot of people wanna fight Jameis Winston. And I applaud them for that. I would I would do the same. Stugatz. I wouldn't fight him because he wouldn't fight fair. Great point. No, yeah. Yeah. No stugatz. Would bring something with him. I mean. No. Straight eighties. I kill somehow eighties wrestling he'll somehow bring like a chair with them. And all of a sudden when you're not paying attention. He's got a chair. Josh says easy. Sam Bradford Bradford I trip. He breaks. Probably fairly true. Yeah. A lot of people are taking out Sam Bradford and Alex Smith which is not fair because he would not be capable of fighting right now. People said Mel kiper junior Harris, probably like a steel helmet. Good point. This also berry Melrose, very smart. Whoever took berry mellow sees e e comes ready. Oh, yeah. No, berry Millrose wouldn't even take the suit off like Barry would just annihilate you. And then he would do like the I'm Chris being my jacket. Make sure it looks perfect and he'd walk out sort of disgusted. Blazer? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then as he walked out, it'd be like why did you waste my day? Yeah. For sure. Somebody agrees with me. Steven Jackson, that cat would fold me. Like a lawn chair in thirty seconds. I've seen his work at the palace. And I mean, we're we are all thinking that. I think it would be hard to to fight any of the laboratory guys is I think through it like, Dan smarter than they come as a pack to. Well. Yeah. Yeah. No. That no doubt. Again, we're going to go back to the rest of like you're in on one. And then all of a sudden the rest of them just jumping the ruling Gill just killed the guy with the Trident. Like, do you really think that if you're if you're sitting there saying, okay, I'm gonna take on poppy? That's not gonna happen. Right. You don't stand a chance there? Definitely not a lot of people wanna fight Brady. And they think limited mobility in physical reasons he wouldn't be able to get out of the pocket that'd be good, Tim kurkin. Because why why would anyone ever wanted to go change? You can't like just can't do it like, even if you got in the ring, and you thought it was time to take Tim on then we've just look at him. And you'd be like, I'm sorry, man. You're so nice. Like this guy the dream bay said Kornheiser broker ribs sneezing that would be an easy w. I like this one from Ted McCarthy based on my desire for new overtime rules. He said I'd go with Patrick Mahomes because I could hit him once and hope it ended before he got a chance to play. Oh, wow. Wow. N- Denver says nobody should fight Louis Riddick. He seems so tough. He probably toss his own limbs out of the ring before submitting. Oh, I like that. Jim says is easy Kirk cousins because he isn't quick nor strong. And when it matters most shrinks, but the ESPN person at least one fight in the octagon L Dunkin, and I could see that like L Dunkin kick your butt like she comes hard. There's no doubt. Like l l l would just go out you it's a it's a force. You can't reckon Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz and Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app, Marcus spears Woodson a lot of those. Yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot. We failed to mention on Twitter, by the way that nobody with an MA background is allowed. Oh, yeah. Because you know, anybody anybody that's ever Cheils on and people were saying like, duh. We're not gonna fight him. Somebody says Rex Ryan because I feel like low key. He could bleep bleep someone up. That is true. Now fighting Rex Ryan I'm thinking about that too. Like Bobby carpenter would be on the list to like, Bobby still works out. Like a maniac is in good shape. All ryen russillo, not a chance. Oh, yeah. Only reality super jacked no way. But again, here's the thing. All of these people are still not gonna destroy you like Stephen Jackson. It's my first answer was clearly the correct. Well, I don't know like I'm sneaky on on russillo here because I think real resilient would also remind you that you lost while you're losing. I think there's that break it down. Oh, yeah. There's that edge of like, you know, while he's punching new he's going to tell you where he's gonna hit. And then he's still going to make it work. That's what I don't want. I don't want the humiliation of the embarrassment through the pro I like that you're so mentally weak. You keep naming people that are just going to make you feel bad about yourself during the fight, and that's scarier to you. Then a guy who six foot eight and climbed into the stands and destroyed fans that guy is less scary to you than someone who's going to tell you how he's beating you up that that viral video lives on. But it's only ten seconds long viral video of russillo toying with me is an hour. I don't want that coming up. We'll check in on the Lakers. Plus wise, James harden, leaving some NBA fans feeling uninspired. It's coming up next pain and bits on ESPN radio. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event a chest of drawers, there's a storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in and watch a romp down five minutes into the foot a tree ranch slams through the window. Where are you hurt? I just got a scratch on my chest. Your chest of drawers can't help you in a windstorm. But the Geico insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. 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The coolest part was put up a video of one of her best saves, and do you know who commented on it? Who me sarahspain? He doesn't baller. Do you? Do you know who they didn't comment on it? Jason Fitz busy. I'm berry. Did you put it on Instagram or stuff? He was on this. I'm not good at commenting on instant. It was also on Twitter was it onto. But I appreciate it at Sarah because it kind of validated. Like, I'm proud of my girl. She's eleven years old, and she is five six and a half. She's a goalkeeper. And she had a great weekend. And she just continues to get better. And I'm really not you just being a dad that was baller. She started going one direction change directions. Mid air. Got the fingertip on it. Solid. Are we sure it wasn't the video that went viral of the dads pushing the kid, in fact, this is how you know that the wanna know how you know that it was a great save is that the camera guy that was filming it because it wasn't me that was filming it was from the other team and walked over at halftime and asked who's the goalkeeper's father or parents? And I said, well, I am. And he goes do you want me to edit that because that was sick? That's amazing. And so he's been dean, well when I was in high school, I had twenty five points at halftime once and the data of the star of our team said the camera broken left because he was mad that I was scoring more than his daughter. That's how things worked. That's what a good teammate would have been nice for recruiting. I know like we have real. I gotta ask him on follow. If the person filming next to you had had been next to you while they were filming and your immediate reaction was caught. Would we have to mute the video? No such a pro I screamed, but it was woo. Like, Greg, John baby. That was that was it. I mean, I don't it's funny if parents act differently games, right? And so I think a lot of people look at me and go Kay you played college basketball. You probably that in saying that I'm not I like to sit there and be quiet when she does something. That's great. I cheer for her teammates as much as I cheer for my for super sweet. But but it's also like nobody knows who you. Gets crazy. PK's? It's all we're talking to USPS Sean farnum before we get to the NBA. The biggest match up of the weekend Kentucky versus Kansas in college basketball. You know for a lot of people that haven't been paying a lot of attention. Maybe it feels like oh Kentucky Kansas. We're getting to blue bloods. But this has been a little bit different journey for especially for Kentucky this year. So when you look at these teams, what do you see? Well, I think I think they're kinda headed in a little bit opposite directions. As far as like Kansas was really peaking early. And that happened with as a Buki. Now he's out for the entire season. They're they're missing a key cog underneath. So they've had to change their complete style of play from going double bigs with Lawson and as a Buki to now going to guards perimeter oriented playing a little bit faster Kentucky struggled early. But now their chemistry has really figured themselves out in particular the defensive and floor one of the things people. Don't talk about Kentucky. They have the number one scoring defense and all of the SEC that that's an impressive statistic that I don't think a lot of people are paying attention to because we often think about the talent. And thus when we think of talent, we think. Of offense, but it's their defense in particular Ashton hagan's his steals leading out two points in transition. Their second best in the SEC and points in transition averaging just over nineteen points per game. And I think that's going to be really key Kansas is going to have to get back in transition immediately shot goes up you're going to be limited on who you're going to send the glass to try to get offense rebounds. Because the first two steps are going to determine whether or not Kentucky's going to score an easy basket or whether you're gonna force them to play in the half court. That's awesome staff. I will look forward to that that game for sure let's let's get to NBA because we've been talking on the show already and people have been asking in general, should we be more hyped about? What James harden is doing right now does it matter that it's Hardin that it's a necessity for his team to have a chance to succeed. Do we think that maybe any of the elite players in the league could do this game after game if they had the setup that he does right now or we may be under appreciating a guy who's currently hitting Wilt Chamberlain type numbers? Yeah. I I don't get the whole idea. Do we devalue it because it's James harden topic of discussion and? In look a lot of people are saying it, right? So it's not it's not just you in the form of the question, Sarah. But he what he's doing is. Absolutely historical. Like are there other people that could do this? If Steph was by himself in and he had to do this could he maybe do it, maybe, but Jim James Harden's been able to do it at such a consistent level twice. Now this year in four games stretchy scored over two hundred points. And there's only one of the guy's name on the line. It's two hundred sixty one without an assist. Yes. Just crazy. And and he's he averages. More dribbles before shot than any player in the league. So he's having to work extremely hard to get a shot off. He has perfected that step back whether or not it's an extra step and a travel it's not getting called. So he's taken it and good for him. I think you have to look back and go gosh, this is so unprecedented. That if you're not in of what you're seeing in front of you, and you're being judgmental based on what the requirements are for his team to try to be successful during the stretch run or whether or not it's it's. It's just James harden. And in, you know, well, we don't like him as much as we like other stars in the NBA. Well, I feel like you're you're shortsighted, and you're not really appreciating the athleticism the skill set. The unique offense of skills that James harden brings to the court every single night. He can do this every night and for people that are sitting there going, well, he's averaging forty three and a half points per game in the month of January. Should we be concerned about this over the long haul of the season? I don't know. Why don't we just appreciate what we're seeing right now. And let's see if he can maintain this. Let's see when guys come back. If you know it's going to obviously force his points per game to go down a little bit. But he is still as a league of a score as we have in the NBA for so long. We've talked about Katie being the best score in the NBA. He's not the best score. The NBA James harden is the best score in the NBA. We're talking to ESPN Sean farnum in studio Spain and fits sarahspain Jason Fitz. So far walk me a little bit through the the mindset of a basketball player then because some of. These pieces will eventually come out come back. And I think that's part of why everybody's looking at the rocket saying, what's this look like long term? So when you've been used at this alarming rate when the usage rate is so high to you welcome the opportunity to become less a part of the offense and have to do less or does that mess with sort of your rhythm in what you've been putting up they won't mess with James because James is what James does I mean, he scores. And so if he hits less shots and the points go down a little bit. He's still going to be the same player. Like, he's not going to change who he is. What's going to happen is he's going to be a little bit better of a passer, which I think is aspect of the game that we often devalue when we talk about James harden, but he'll have more faith and more confidence in the guys that are around him. And thus the points per points production. We'll go down. I'll tell you a story James harden. And I've watched them work out a thousand times, and I'll never forget a couple years ago. It was at the men's gym in Los Angeles and on the campus of UCLA, and Kevin Durant was in there working out James came in and. And they did individual workout together. The workout was set a such where you are allowed to have one dribble on the catch your defensive player knew it. And then you had to get your shot off. He got a shot off every single time on Kevin Durant and hit more often than not and they went after each other for a full hour going back and forth against each other in the same scenario and same situation. If you're able to score over that length with only one bounce look what he's doing with the I think it said it can average of seven dribbles before he shoots the ball. The he puts you on a yoyo you've got no idea where he's going. So it doesn't matter who's on the floor with him. He still going to be able to do that. Will it be two hundred plus points over four game stretch. I don't think we're gonna probably see those numbers because I think again, you're going to have cappella coming back and your throw lobs to the rim and allow him to become a force and take some of that pressure off of your shoulders relief. Probably isn't the word what James really wants to do just win period. He real quick Lakers currently feeling it without LeBron as. As that continues. How worried are you? Or is this just a matter of? Hey when he gets back. Everything's fine. We'll catch back up. Well, now, you don't it without LeBron in we forget about Rondo not being available. So then okay, we add in the fact now Lonzo ball is out for a couple of weeks. This team's a mess. It's a mess. If LeBron comes back, even as is it's going to be a fight for them to make the postseason in the Western Conference. It just is they have not been able to sustain the level of success that is necessary during the stretch without LeBron James in order to maintain their positioning. When he went down there like the five seat or the four seed in the Western Conference now there on the outside looking in. So I think you've got to be patient here. Some of the concerning things I've heard this week is all we'll go try to get Mike. Conley. Let's go try to get Marcus all that that's not gonna make you better. That's not going to get you to where you want to be. And then who are you going to have to give up in order to get somebody like that that isn't going to put you over the top or isn't gonna move you closer to what your end result wants to be you guys can follow him. And be sure when you do follow him that you like in comment on everything Sean foreign Amman onto. Twitter. Right. What's your Instagram? Farnum ESPN farnum ESPN. Thank you for sarahspain being a true friend. Welcome friend Frendo. I thought I thought that Fitzy was a friend of mine eminently nuts. Hi fi for me. I will tell her. Congratulations from me. Now. Not real. It's not they sound. We talk to you. So I'm going to spend the next several minutes liking every one of his posts on Instagram straight ahead. The best part of Pro Bowl weekend is happening in mere minutes. We'll tell you about it next on Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz. Count on the minutes. That's right. I am counting down the excited minutes. Not till the Pro Bowl this weekend. Let's face. It. A bunch of people are gonna watch it. But nobody really cares about it. The fun from Pro Bowl weekend, Sarah starts tonight. And I'm a little a little mad. We didn't get invited to go hang out. And maybe I dunno commentator. I'm not that far away. I'm in Florida already come on. And I mean, this seems like it makes a ton of sense for anybody that doesn't know tonight nine pm eastern on ESPN the Pro Bowl skills showdown. So fund you want me to tell you the quick event. Yes. Please five events tonight. Forty yard splash. It's a new challenge. Putting teamwork to the test of football inspired take on a fire bucket brigade where they raised a a dunk. Temp by hitting the target with the football dropping an opposing team member into the tank up next the gridiron gauntlet five players participating in a head to head relay race designed to showcase strength speed and agility, including a fumble scramble through an inflatable path. Best. Hands too wide receiver quarterback do us from each conference compete in time to relay race catching a series of passes at a sequence of downfield targets as quickly as possible requiring a specific style of catch diving one handed over the shoulder, etc. Precision passing two quarterbacks and one captain appointed non quarterback battle it out in a one minute accuracy competition attempting to hit as many targets as possible. And finally, the return of Pro Bowl dodge bowl pro bowlers competing in a classic game of dodgeball. Every member of each team participating in a best of three series the team with the last person on the court wins. If you can dodge wrench you could dodge an Andrew luck festival. Sure. Oh. For every single out to this. I mean, first of all you're talking about huge names that are involved in this the AFC some of the highlights von Miller James Connor Andrew lucked, juju Smith, Schuster, Shawn Watson. I mean, there's a lot there. Mitch trubisky. Never heard keen Hicks v. By the way, for those who do not know outside of Chicago. Maybe Akeem Hicks comedy is going to bring the funding. I hope they might come up for everyone of these got. Well, that's one thing to you know, I hope that all of it is Mike up because I think some of the best parts of this is listening to these guys who were just in a moment of having fun. Just listening to have a good time and sort of trash each other in the process is one of my favorite parts of it. Well, and they've got some captains that presumably might be miked up to talk either smack about the opposition or their own players. AFC team is Jim Kelly recently declared totally cancer free, which we love and DeMarcus ware, and then NFC team Emmett Smith, and Brian Urlacher or lacquer with hair going to be all sorts. That's creepy. Uncle. Sort of it is a little bit. Like that. Do you have one side or the other? I mean, a saquon also on the Pro Bowl side for the NFC. Russell Wilson Cameron, Jordan. I mean, big big Nalen. Yeah. George kettle. I, you know, I'm gonna go NFC, of course, with my boys Akeem and Mitch are on it. But AFC's got a pretty good roster. Just picturing Sean thrown to ju is giving me a nice Juniper's, right? Juice. It's spectacular. I'm in for all of it mostly because I think and frankly, this is what I believe should replace the Pro Bowl is a game. I think we should see more, right? This like we all know that the game itself is I say this every year, it's interesting. But let's remember a lot of you guys are gonna watch it. So why does the Pro Bowl rankings than other T other sports, real playoff games? Bright so much people like football knowing that people will watch it just because there's something there's fine. But if you can give me American gladiator type moments where I can watch not leads do things that they don't typically do. That's what's interesting about it to me. So seeing people that are already, you know, amongst the most skilled in the world the best athletes in the world seeing them go out and have to do things that are slightly different than normal. I'm in for all of that. Yeah. You know, the only thing I'll say is that there's some other good pro bowlers that are not in this skill challenge that I would like to see I understand some of them were recently playing or maybe it's more fun to have some younger guys. But you know, Patrick. Mahomes in any of these would have been awesome right with love to see that Antonio Brown. You know, I think they probably tried to bring up some new names, some fresh names, he would be fun to watch in the one where you've gotta make crazy different kinds of catches. My boy to re Cohen is not in this. And he's first of all again, Mike him up hilarious. But I mean, if you've ever watched a Rico, and you know, that he is just an athlete. He's he have you seen the video of him where he does a back flip and catches to football's same time. Like that guy would be fun in any of these challenges Philip rivers because he would be so frustrated just Dak nam it Doug gun it that will be good. So there's a lot of other pro bowlers, you know, that you'd like to see doing their thing. Well, and I'll go back to when I was a kid. They used to put the quarterback challenge up in the middle of the summer, and they obviously filmed it because it was in Hawaii they filmed it during the Pro Bowl, but they played it in the middle of the summer to sort of wet. Everybody's appetite for football. So you'd wait all summer. And then all of a sudden, you would finally get like, Dan Marino. And you know. Bob, boomer like science and all those guys like that era of quarterback. They were all doing these challenges against each other. I was into every single second of it. And I I wish that we did more of that sort of stuff. So I'm a fan of the elimination of the game. Then utilize all talents. They're all of them. Agreed. What was the one that Herschel Walker was always on that was by far my favorite Herschel Walker was on like that one of those like gladiator type shows was. Yeah. Man. The network stars like that. I mean, I was a fan of that. But to your point, and it should be I should remind everybody last year's Pro Bowl ratings last year. Everybody was talking about how the NFL was in decline. And nobody was watching it. Last year's Pro Bowl ratings were the highest in four years at averaged eight point six million viewers across both the across the platforms peaked at ten point one million viewers. That's a ton of eyeballs. I mean when you crazy why is there a Pro Bowl still happening? Well, there's a Pro Bowl happening because people make money off of it. So, but I think if they if they went, you know, more. I would love to see quarterbacks against quarterbacks in some things. But then I'd love to see quarterbacks doing non quarterback things in life. Tried to fish out of water kind of thing. And then also when I was on the grunk boat. They did like the grunk family jeopardy, which was especially funny because some of the grants are simple. I think is the right word just understanding how the game worked with a lot for them. So I'd like to see like some sort of game shows would be good family feud. I want family. That's what they were doing family feud with the grunk God that where I would like to see maybe like like a newlyweds. But with teammates would be good to see. And then you know, what we hear about the most at the Pro Bowl is the pranks they pull on each other. So I would like to have some sort of recap show where people are revealing the pranks that they've pulled. I I'm sure you've heard about this fits like you, if you're a rookie there, you cannot let anyone know your room number because if you do everything will get charged to you. Oh, wow. That's that's amazing them up and get the reaction to it. Yes. Exactly. I will say I have to go back to like I one I have one family feud goal. And this might be the only way I could ever get at one time in my life. I want everybody instead of just clapping and saying good answer. Good answer. I want one time in my life for the whole road look down and say, you know, no, you don't get to answer any more questions. You're like that will happen. If you just go on the show. I well a terrible answer when you're obviously Leno figure you and I go on the show. And then I yell at you for the answer. It's better content on I would only give good answers marshy. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. You know, I'm a family feud champion, but you know, as as angry as as just fired up in competitive as athletes get they would be the one great hope that would look down the road urine idiot. I mean hundred the producers are like, no, no, no, no, keep it like. And they're just like you idiot, especially like, I'm all in for making Pro Bowl family feud and make the prize like five million bucks. So they are into it. And then all of a sudden it's called like I want him riding on the side like the Phil role between linebacker and offense lineman over a bad answer on the size that my asking too much. 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