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Eagles trade, Rodgers impact, Rockets woes, Texans trade

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57:35 min | 2 years ago

Eagles trade, Rodgers impact, Rockets woes, Texans trade

"Happy Halloween, everyone and welcome diverse things. I I'm John wall. That is the hall of fame of Chris Carter that is Nick, right. We'll spooky moist. This morning's bookie voice that was my regular voice. It was spooky music. That was my regular start the show voice. So we're going let big day of NFL trades yesterday to marry Thomas joining Shawn Watson the Packer shipped off a star defender. But why don't we start with the Philadelphia Eagles who made Carson Wentz a very happy quarterback yesterday? Philly traded a third round pick to the lions for wide receiver. Golden Tate asked why he traded for a guy on the last year deal eagles GM Howie Roseman said he's one of the most productive receivers in the league. And that his run after catch numbers are phenomenal Tate now joins the receiving core of Nelson Aguilar, and Al Sean Jeffrey artsy. What impact you think? Golden teak can have on this ego. Offense. Unlike the fact that how we Roseman the general manager he focused on the skill set as far as what it will provide not only to Carson Wentz to this offense. And in this new NFL people think that maybe Philadelphia might go for running back. There's a couple of running backs potentially could be available. Why don't they trade for them? If you can't get a running back or you're happy with your running backs. You have to get a guy light golden Tate a guy who can play in space a guy can play in the slot. He's also played outside. He is not a just a short area quickness guy. He's not only limited to the slot. He has deep speed. So he's not a possession receiver to meet. He's one. He's one of the guys I like watching play because he's developed he left Seattle after being the third receiver there to increase role in the money in Detroit and the last four years he's been phenomenal Utah. He's the most dangerous guy after the catch. We have in you think. Well, what about Odal Beckham? Odell doesn't get the ball is. Much as he does and didn't do as much as him because the game plan what they've done in Detroit. He's been to highlight his kill set. I believe he's a tremendous addition to the Philadelphia Eagles and Carson wins because he will say, well, they gave up a third round pick. That's a lot of compensation. He's in the last year of his contract if he decided to leave Philadelphia they're going to get a compensatory pick. That's probably going to be a third or four founder anyway. So I like the move to Philadelphia. It doesn't cost them that much. And if they lose him after this year, they'll build a move on by getting another pick and the future those compensatory picks work like what you lose in free agency versus what you bring in free agency. So if the eagles decide to stand Pat mostly in free agency, and they let golden Tate leave. They get something back Detroit instead of getting a pick in two thousand and twenty after him leaving after this off season they're going to get the pick right now from philadel- and Detroit item. Think would have ended up even getting a compensatory pick. Because I think they're going to be buyers this off season. So even if they were gonna. Let him go. They were going to bring in enough this off season to where it would probably minimize what their compensation would be. But for the eagles, see touched on it. He is since he came into the league one of the five most productive yards after catch guys in all of football. And the most productive yard after catch high-volume guy. Meaning the other guys who have similar yard after catch numbers to him are not guys that are getting targeted one hundred plus times per season. What of the eagles struggled within the passing game this year their bottom six in the league yard after catch. So that is a puzzle piece that fits perfectly where we are missing. You are adding and that fix fits. Well, the eagles this year have one game where they've scored three. Plus where they've scored more than three touchdowns. That was the giants game one game where they've scored more than twenty four points. The giants game like Philadelphia. Yes, they had a path to victory last year. That was great defense and ground you down, but they all sort of path of we're just going to crush you. We're gonna put up thirty five points. They've only done. Close to that once all year, and it was against a terrible giant scene. But what I liked the most about this move for Philly is it's how he Roseman saying. I know the first half of the season didn't go, right? You know, what we're still going for it? We still think we can defend our crown. We still think we can win this division. Make noise in the playoffs. We're willing to give up put the eighty fifth pick of the draft for maybe only eight games in a playoff run of golden Tate. It's worth it to us because it's a shot in the arm and maybe for the guys in the locker room. It reminds them man last year we did and helped us win a Super Bowl this year. Maybe we do with golden Tate and helps us get closer get back to it. All right before we get to how far the eagles can go with golden. You talk so much about this about offense looking very much like the starting five hundred basketball team. So tell me what golden Tate does what position he would basically play, but tween guar and alshon Jeffery. Okay. Let's see. I'll Sean Jeffrey right now is their best receiver in Zach ertz. The tight in is very very good. So if we're going to start in five I would say out schon Jeffrey is going to be my center Zach ertz is going to be my power forward. I believe my scorn forwards going to be golden Tate. He's a better run. After the catch Nelson. Aguilar trying to use the backs out of backfield. That's how you're able to supplement the passing attack. That's how you're able to put when I want to wide receiver unit. I want a point guard. I want a guy can score. I want a big guy. But golden Tate is the best wide receiver on Philadelphia's roster now has the most skill with Sean Jefferies. They should look good together. Because outshone is that possession receiver Seaver red zone. Target golden Tate. He's everywhere. He's all over the field. And he's very very friendly to the quarterback. Well, what do you mean by that? He runs his routes. And he gives indicators we saw last week where two interceptions in the Minnesota game were to turnover caused by the wide receivers stealing fumbling and Stefan bids given around indicator for Kirk cousins. Interception return for touchdown. He doesn't do that. He's a veteran wide receiver. He's played with veteran quarterbacks. And he's the kind of guy that I believe can bring them spark to Philadelphia's locker room right now. Give them the type of energy and bounce to give them a lift. So they can go on this playoff run. I wasn't sure you were going to agree with me. What you just said it. I do believe he's the best wide receiver on Philly now. And that's nothing. It's out after you agree with me. Okay. We'll just say point is when I when I heard today when I heard the down I thought. Wow. I mean, he's going to come in and be their best wide or means Adler moves to third what you'll really? We're ranking them. Sure. But we're playing will in the slot. That's why there is a need for someone might gold and take Adler. We thought had a breakout season last year this year, he's kind gone back to year number two. And he's not as important as third wide receiver isn't a lot of teams because of arts because one of your best receiving options is your tight end view of earth's Jeffrey, and golden Tate that's going to take care of the vast majority of your passing attack and no receiver in the league is broken more tackles than Tate. I am curious your opinion on what the timeframe of picking up the offenses golden age has been went to Seattle then Detroit. Now, he's in Philly. How long until he can really make a true impact is still going to take time. I wouldn't see him as a full-time player for a month. I still see them plan initially twenty place to start with also I wouldn't be surprised potentially. They moved him back to return punts. He can return some punts the Bill to try to make plays. I know the Peterson. They know the. Urgency to so when you have a player that has come from two good situations. I looked to be a smart football player. He's got a high football IQ. So they'll try and the next two weeks. How can we get him to plan twenty to thirty plays and also some of those bubble screens and things like that? They not real real sophisticated. So I think those things can be implemented in week number one and Philly by the way on a buy this week coming off the London game. So you won't have to worry about anything for at least another twelve days second year in a row. Howie Roseman went out and got aggressive and picked up someone Jj I last year and golden Tate this year. Can you see this often starting to put it together? Can you see them getting back to where they were last year with what the team looks like right now maybe back to helps. But he he's not going to help. Jason Peters left tackle, he's not going to help lane. The right tackle because they have not played good football. So yes, they have more weapons. They have more things to get the ball. Carson. I like the fact that even though golden can be a deep threat. He's so good run after catch. You can throw him the ball right now. Oh, so that will help offense line. It's almost like an extended running game. But they gotta get their offense of line ago. And personally Jason Peters after coming back taken a reduction in salary. This is the worst football. I've seen him play in at least ten years. So that's what I'm going to be watching offense align in Philadelphia. Even though they have one more weapon to Bill throw to enlist and Philly understand the situation there up against Washington's five into with as I've said before the softest remaining strength of schedule and football. The eagles are foreign four and they five divisional games left. Here's their non divisional games at the Rams at the saints and home for the Texans. Those are three divisional leaders right now. In addition to having to play Washington twice having to play Dallas twice so eighties. Philly knows they've got to find a way to Adam minimum go six into. So this was the best available player. They could acquire. They did it. Now, if they end up going four and four in the second half, and they lose golden Tate. They're going. Say maybe this was shot they won't back. But he also the one of the golden Tate is he is a fiery personality. He's a guy that is known. He had the skirmishes with Percy Harbin back in the day with Seattle like he's going to bring an edge to that locker room that could be useful for a team that right now almost stuck in a post Super Bowl Malays. So I I like this move for Philadelphia Eagles pick up golden Tate. Not by the way, from California from Tennessee. We'll talk about that in the break coming up should Aaron Rodgers periods that the Packers were sellers at the deadline. That's next first thing. Things. Sports is teamed up with four the win for the college football fan index. So each week you that fan will be ranking college football experiences and this week. We're ranking Bess on uniforms a Michigan coming in the top spot followed by Notre Dame, air force and Florida state. What do you think Nick, Michigan and Notre Dame do have conic uniforms? I like the USC uniforms at the top of my head as uniforms that I think like in that late afternoon. West coast, sun, great, see, what's Ohio State, now aside, do you have a particular college football uniform? I don't think even those traditional uniforms and everything I don't think they're the best Notre Dame in Michigan have the best helmets shore. Okay. And I know that's a huge part of the uniform their helmets are conic. And I just remember watching them on Saturdays is a kid that those two schools older Notre Dame helmets. More than the newer shinier. They seem to have. Added almost like a Nike Oregon flair to the helmets lately. That's not quite like what it's a little off color too. Right. Yeah. But the helmets are I kind of got love golden dome. Irs getting done Oregon. They change in uniform. Got thirty five. I'll get to the Packers fire sound second. But I agree cleanly shaven dazzles us with the behind the back move floated over Blake Griffin. Imagine that see Cairo Irving starts looking like urban. And he starts looking like Irving kyri had a great have let us know. He wasn't playing really good before. This look very good last night looked far more explosive and keep you haircut. Loman is a better look for the hair the beard all looked like vintage kyri same game. Reggie jackson. Brings the ball up gets bumped Dale hits the three. Ooh, we mouth then building out there. He's looking for the foul there. It was right before the half. So he has to throw it up. But that's. Onto heck of a shot man to really was next. Terrence Ferguson with a perfect alleyoop rest Westbrook against the clippers this game. Put him up twenty with a few minutes left the little exclamation point. Russell into this game last night. Now, he don't like Patrick. Beverley? No, no, no. He was into this one rock in the baby all night doing that little celebration. Love Russell much Terrence versions. Nice little emerging player for them moving onto yesterday's tread. Dateline? Guesses. No longer. Green Bay Packer. All right. So the guessing game doesn't really work on TV time. Montgomery after return to kick off. He wasn't supposed to then. Fumbled. When he definitely wasn't supposed to Green Bay dealt Montgomery to the ravens for a seventh round pick. But wait, there's more. They also sent Pro Bowl safety ha ha Clinton Dix not funny to Washington in exchange for a fourth round pick. So the Packers sit at three three and one chasing the foreign three Chicago Bears nickel start with you. We surprise. The Packers were such big. Sellers at the deadline. The time Gumri thing doesn't matter much to me that one is not I'm not that surprised by the ha ha Clinton Dix. Trade was shocking to me. I understand that. He's appending free agent this coming year. And maybe they thought they weren't going to sign him. But look at the teams that either are the best teams in football or have older quarterbacks that you don't know what the window will be and what they did the saints. They added Eli apple a week ago. The patriots they were in the market, and they added Josh, Gordon. And we thought they might add more the Rams we're the best team in football. They added Dante Fowler. Chiefs were in the market for Thomas before he broke his leg. The Packers have Aaron Rodgers near fourteen. They're not in first place in their division. They're in a dogfight. So let's get rid of the best defensive player. We've draft in the last six years. Let's get rid of a guy who pro football focus says has been the second best safety in all of this year. Why so we can have the hundred and fifteenth pick of the upcoming draft. This is just another example to me of the Packers not understanding the asset. They have in Aaron Rodgers and the Packers adding to the degree of difficulty for the most talented player in the league, this this trade surprised me and as a football fan angered me because I don't understand what remained is doing. Actually, he's going to be partnered there with DJ swearing pro football, focus as DJ swearing just second Earl Thomas, I and ha ha Clinton Dixon third. I left out because he's injured for the year. So these two safety's now not only does he help the Washington Redskins. But he kills one of their best players now DJ swearing. He doesn't have to play in the mill to field because that's how Dixon that's where he plays in the Millfield high Dixon's better in man-to-man coverage if you wanna match him up and put DJ square in coverage somewhere else. So it makes the Washington Redskins. Let you know that they are trying to win. He's. A good football player. I believe underrated. When you play with Aaron Rodgers and you play with some of the bad defensive players in bad defensive scheme. Green Bay's had it's hard to give a player like him that type of activates now he has been voted into the pro and pro football focus hasn't ranked as one the top safeties. But he's not a player that we talk about lot the Redskins. I believe like unique. They got a lot better yesterday in picking up ha ha Clinton Dix. I hear this. I don't understand what are the backers. Doing. What are they doing? They play the patriots this week in a couple of weeks there at the Vikings after that they have another tough road game at Seattle. Do they think they're done to the Packers are the Packers? They're not going to say it. But they think they're going to miss the playoffs for the first time with a healthy Aaron Rodgers since he became the full time starter is that what they're telling us are the Packers just saying like we have new general manager. We wanna let him have as many assets as possible and Brian Guten coons this upcoming year because I look at the ice. I thought the backers should be encouraged by what happened last week. You went to the Rams the only undefeated team in football and not for bonehead play time. Montgomery. I believe you win that game. You dominate the first half. It takes three spectacular special teams plays by the Rams for them to beat you by two points, and your reaction to that is to get rid of one of your best defenders certainly your best player in the secondary. I know gyro exander the rookie is playing very well. But hoc Clinton Dix is the most established guy. The Packers over last seven years every year spent the first round pick on a defensive player. He's the best one they've drafted. And now you move on from him. I don't this is perplexing to me. I like all the moves over the course of the last couple of years at the Green Bay Packers have made with Aaron Rodgers have seemingly been perplexing. It's one of these. We have Aaron Rodgers everything else will figure out a way to work itself out. Are you a surprise with what the Packers data's nNcholas? I'm not surprised, and you know, Nichols, a lot more emotion attached to it like, I could care less. What the pack like they've been they've been doing things their own way. So why would I mostly get attached to they changed organisation? They changed the structure they have a new general manager there. He's starting to make changes to Bill things his way. I don't know where he's heading. So I'm just going to give him time. He just took over he made a couple coaching changes. He made a couple of personnel changes that I believe are far more than exit owes. I think it's about fitting in long-term to his plans. I believe that's why he moved off of these two players. I'm just. Going to be patient because he just took over. I'm not going to put him under a sense of urgency because of Aaron Rodgers body clock. That's not his fault. He just took over the team. He should have the same amount of time that we get other teams to build tried to put his type of fingerprint on the organization, what type of players he wants to have moving forward. I don't know what he's going to do. But there will be a lot of is own Green Bay to watch. And see what's his next move. And what's to meaning behind him? No matter who their quarterback was I would think a guy you drafted one of the best players drafted. Your organization is drafted who is coming up on free agency playing some of the best football his career. That's the type of player you want to extend. That's the type of player that after this year you were hoping to bring back, but I just I want to remind the Green Bay Packers something because we have gotten a little skewed by the last twenty five years of far to Rogers. There was listen you had Lombardi in star you want all those championships. You. You've been in. You've been playing pro football a year longer than the NFL has existed. There was a twenty five year stretch between star before farve where you one one playoff game. And it was an a strike year a twenty five year stretch where you had two seasons in totality where you one double digit games. Like when Aaron Rodgers is done. There is nothing to say you won't go back to that. This isn't the Steelers that had been relevant in every decade, the NFL has ever existed. This team went through a long drought. We know they're not going to be a viable superstar free agent destination. At least they haven't been in the past the way, you're going to get great players drafting them and keeping them not drafting them and trading them while you're making a playoff. How far can Packers go with what they have now. Sure because of because of twelve but it just got harder. They were marginal playoff team before they made the trait. Right. So it's up that they won't make the playoffs. All right. Let's take a break. We'll talk more about this over the course of the show coming up though, is it. Panic climb for the Huston rocket. One in five that's next. The best players play in the biggest game. Time star Blake Griffin joins the show he super tall. We're gonna have to adjust the lighting that is tomorrow right here. See I wonder how will feel about your open dunk. Contest idea. Now got someone we can ask or you gotta fix it up. He's a little big. I gotta fix it up. When the studio I get really aggressive. They not in studio studio. We've been Blake's played while this year old area Blake this season. He's got one of those system coaches. I grew up with designs often, Mike Nora he runs often with him. Yes. He would say same high school. I didn't know that excited for Blake tomorrow time for us to go viral. Russell Westbrook's been doing a rock the baby celebration after some of his baskets this season. He was asked about it after last night's win against the clippers. And here's what he had to say. No kids. Sleep located. Guards. And literally need a second explanation for the first explanation. It was saying, yeah, that's what you do with your little babies, right? And he's saying that offenders are like his base, and he's rocking. Yeah. He's saying. It's like I throw you the ball on the low post team your own some you have the ball. Okay. Right. Knicks garden, right? You just take your time with them because you're going to take them the school. So you just rock him to sleep. Do you take them to the whole? That's what he's talking is the explanation. Really? That's that was wonderful Senator into the whole, I usually have to work as translator for you. And you the right there worked as translator for Jenna. That was one. That was great teamwork. Just always on the bad end of no. Geno. Yeah. So I'm Rockin bad thing today, so far and that was that ridiculous. Golden Tate stales best things I've said, but I did for something to happen stories to start your morning brought to you by unexpected energy Exxon Mobil. All right. So the first edition of the college football playoff rankings came out yesterday. No surprise guys, Alabama at number one followed by Clemson LSU and Notre Dame Durand out the top four C C. You're shaking your head the committee get this, right? Yeah. It's pretty easy to start off with Alabama. Clemson LSU Notre Dame. They had the great win over Michigan. Start to season followed that up the Bill stay unblemished. It's going to be an exciting race. It of white world's going to be exciting for the mother three van was going to be. There is going to be there. And with the way this sets up bama's toughest game remaining this season until the playoff is this weekend at LSU, and they the way the sets up they could lose it LSU and still end up in the playoff assuming they beat off. Iron and the iron bowl like Bama has almost locked up their playoff spot already with how the rankings are and how they've played. But I think the committee got it right early on moving on to a showdown of two great quarterbacks. Tom Brady taken on Aaron Rodgers in Foxborough Sunday night. How about this? They're facing off for only the second time in their careers Brady said Aaron Rodgers is inspiring even for me, see what he make a brief comments. Aaron Rodgers even inspiring even even one more Super Bowls than anyone. Someone. They're nice little I give I get it, Tom. I understand. That's my take. Must be must be Tom. You ever see the click of Viansa was being interviewed. And someone said just introduce or said, you're beyond say and her response was thank you. It was just like that word Tom Brady is it's like even by my it was like when you ask Dion Sanders. Dionne he said your greatest he didn't lie. Sean, I can't believe these guys have only played once against each other. I get it because you're in different conferences during play once every four years, but that's crazy now curry Irving had his best performance of the young season. Thirty one points on sixteen shots along with five boards and five assists. Boston beats the pistons won await one of five which you make a Kyrie's performance. Nick, the only disappointing thing is that we were surprised by that it took a couple of weeks of the season for Cairo to have by his standards. A really good Pat a few awful games. But he got a shave a haircut and started looking like himself again. And this was a game. The Celtics were in firm control of until about four minutes left. The pistons hit a bunch of threes to make it close at the end. But I mean, this is what the Celtics need from Kyrie what they expect from. This is the first game in seven games genita-. I thought he was the best Celtics other games. I thought he was either second third some games fourth best. Celtic so nice to see. Him come back from the two point performance nights to see him seems like he went to a spa gotta steam shower shave little. Yeah. He definitely he looked like you need to clint's. I finally Lonzo ball took some of the blame for the Lakers recent struggles at a rough Monday night, which is four points, one assists. Lonzo says he's not doing his job needs to be more engaged. All right, Nick. What did you make of lonzo's comments? I respect that the young players taking some of this on himself. I don't think engagement has been his issue. I think Lonzo very rarely do I watch him. And it looks like he's just going through the motions when he saying engage. I think that in his second year in the league, he's starting to realize that there's a certain level of intensity that he hasn't been engaged to is not as if he's engaged not engaged, but he's not engaged at the level that he needs to be engaged in some time through competence to competition. You see that these guys are? Operating at a higher level of intensity than I am now from his his body language in his normal like that's his normal MO, but it's not going to work for him in the NBA. Like we were worried about him last year. Like how intense will he be game in and game out? And I think that's what he's talking about. When he says engaged he's talking about the overall intensity for which he's going about doing his work. But you don't want him to change his approach. Like, there are guys who are very successful. Who aren't nearly like Steph? Curry is not an intense guy. He seems to have a laid back approach. You just wanting do want him to change his approach. I mean, go ahead. Steph is intense you and I sat behind Steph curry, and we were there thirty minutes before the game. Now, I typically do a good job of getting the icon iconic guys dream onset. What's DeMarcus cousins said what's up to me K D because he was like he mean, but me but staff did not into the crowd. He has an intense pre. Game routine. He's working on his muscles. He's working on his shooting motion. He's got these things he does and Steph has a fun personality. But inside the game. He's intense that what he wants to do. I would compare Steffes during the game demeanor almost to a long striding football player that looks like they're not running hard when they actually are like some things come. So we bring people would say, oh, he's loafing. But if you were time him he's running out of four four like where Steph it comes. He so fluid and it comes so naturally to him. It might maybe looks like he's not trying hard as he is for Lonzo. Either. Lonzo's biggest issue is right now, he doesn't know what exactly his role is. I think his issue was aren't injured. I'm off the bench. I'm now in the starting lineup like, but we'll LeBron's going to dominate the ball. I think he hasn't found his footing this year with the team, but the other much more tangible issue is this if you scared to go to the foul line, and you don't have an intermediate. It game. Then how often to player he's only jump shooter? And that's a problem. Right. Like in because he's a good athlete. He can get to the rim. But guys they can get to the rim have to be okay with getting fouled. This has been the Lakers. Now, they're two point guards or two guys. That would rather pass the ball and go to the free throw line. And that's a pro like you can take that at times from big from a center, especially because they're going to get so many touches down in the post. But if you beat your man, and you you got a clear path the basket, and then you see a big coming over is going to have to value to stop you. You gotta be okay with that. And Lonzo on the year. What shot ten free throws? No, I'm sorry. Seven free throws on the season like that. And we talked about this last year about his his lack of wanting to get to the line. And that one as I understand is not good free. Throw shooter got to work through that. Because a getting the other team in the bonus getting yourself in the bones getting team foul. Trouble scoring with all those things are valuable to them. But I also think. He's finding with some stops and starts as far as the line of goes finding his way with his Lakers team. I guess he thinks a little added intensity will help that. All right. Let's stick with basketball tough game for the Houston Rockets last night, which comes after a tough start to the season for the Houston. Rockets James harden continues to miss time with a hamstring injury and Houston lost to Portland one of four eighty five and Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony combined to shoot eight of thirty one from the floor. And so the rockets now sit at one and five on the season tied for the worst record in the west. Here's head coach Mike tan, Tony I'm what has changed since last year. Last year we played well right now, we play crap the difference does not plan. Well, it's hard to explain sometimes we've lost swagger and more on her heels. And when you're when you're desperate is good on defense because you hair should be on fire but his bad on offense. You're in you're struggling we gotta get out of it. And we gotta keep fighting. We'll keep the spirit and these guys good guys and we'll find we'll find something. And you know, hopefully, it's not too late. But we gotta get back on a horse. We got James back office. That's a big part of our offense. No excuses injuries part of the game too. Keep trying to get guys back. Right now. The spirit, right? There's only so many days we can keep saying, well, it's early give them. Thank you hard and chance to get back. We'll give this team a chance to get back into it. Are you concerned at all Nick about one in five star for the rockets? This is to me of far greater concern at one in five. Then I talked about yesterday the Lakers two and five and not because of the one more win. But because of how the the teams have lost those games the rockets getting blown out like the rockets, they have four home losses already this year, by the way, they only lost seven times at home all of last season. And those losses are all my more than ten points. They only had one such loss all of last season. Lest by nineteen to the pelicans eleven to Utah twenty the clippers nineteen to Portland yesterday. They never lead and they were down by twenty eight at one point like last season. They started twenty five and four this year. They're one in five I understand Chris Paul suspended now hardens injured, but this team is not being competitive in these game. Thus far. That's why the one in five is so concerning. It's not the easily could be three and three. No, they couldn't. They couldn't easily be three and three. It's hard to imagine them. Getting blown out is many times as they have without having hard to lineup. You still think that they are the big three that being mellow that being Chris, Paul hard? Now the line of Chris Paul looks nothing like a superstar mellow. I take exception with mellow like he's nowhere near any type of star player. You know, he's not going to be good on the defensive end. They're just not as talented thinking about not playing good basketball their rosters, not as good. So now this season. They can't sustain an injury. Like they could last year last year they had injuries, but they were able to overcome all except the last one that Chris Paul in the Western Conference final. They're not as good, and there's a certain amount of reality to this. And they're going to be struggling for seating. Even when hardened comes back because they got a very weak bench. But this is the team that many people thought was the only team in the league that could really. Compete with Golden State. This is the one team that we're going to win. Now, we're gonna go after Jimmy Butler. We're going to do everything we can because we have a shot this year to compete with Golden State. What happened they this for Daryl Morey? And for James harden. There has to be a bit of deja vu four years ago. The rockets were coming off a Western Conference finals loss to the Golden State Warriors. They won fifty six games that year people thought they were gonna be right back in it the next year, and they went forty one and forty one and crept to the eight seat that then the following year. They got better than they add Chris Paul and you saw the ad, but there's does seem to be a bit of an inability for this team after a great season where you come close to ratchet up the intensity game on the following season to get it feels like it's such a long trek to where you end up wanting to get to that. They're not starting the season off with the requisite level of intensity attention to detail last year. Hard miss ten games. They were six and four like they managed in. Those ten games. James harden missed a we can't say, oh, you don't have hardened. So that's going to happen. Like this team. You were seeing the warning signs before hard left the fourth game of the year with his hamstring. And also, we sit there and watch the warriors play the Knicks this besides them being an MBA this done similarly there in western there's nothing similar about where Golden State is. You talked about how much fun they seem to be having their little routines. They enjoy seeing and they don't even have cousins back with them. Another all-star Houston's going the other way. So no, this isn't the team. There is no team in the NBA. So unless there's some blockbuster trade, it is Golden State in the rest of them. And James harden prior to his injury was the only guy on the team playing at the level or close lovely played last year. PJ Tucker's been worse this year Clint Capella who got that big contract extension. This off season has not been the defensive player of the year candidate that the rockets thought he was going to be you're right. That Chris Paul has not looked like Chris. Paul yet this season how much that was the suspension and how much of that is getting himself into full regular season shape. I don't know and mellows been awful like that is undeniable mellows not in the top hundred and thirty feeling. I did my best. I said I was doing try with mellow. So so when harden comes back if it got someone like Jimmy Butler could he make the Jimmy Butler thing we would have to redo all the mad at one player one Jimmy Butler player away from all back together from if they add Jimmy Butler, they reassert themselves as one of the very very best teams in the league. But you guys know where I stand on Golden State. I think Golden State right now as presently constituted is far and away the best team. And that's before they add DeMarcus cousins, that's where I think they are. But it also looks like Minnesota is just flatly not going to trade Jimmy Butler. Like, Tom typical I think's going to make the owner fire him to trae Jimmy Butler because they're not going to get a better offer than four unprotected first round picks. That's literally the most picks hanger allowed to offer and Houston offered it. So I don't think Jimmy Butler is coming. What's the biggest issue that this rockets has if you could fix one thing? What's what's their biggest issue? I knew they would struggle losing. Trevor reason you just can't just say, oh, you know, all he wasn't. That good, but the intangible things that he provide the limp the to constant not down shooting that they could rotate they had another two or three guys who could knock down three pointers. That's a they don't have enough shotmakers if you're gonna play that style, and you're gonna have the analytics and everything they don't have enough shotmakers on this way knew that with the loss of a reason tape particularly early in the year defensively, they probably weren't gonna be the same team. No one could have been -ticipant. It'd be a bottom five offense right now. They're a bottom five often. What was the thing last year? See with twenty games left. They had the best offense in the history of professional basketball on a per possession basis. Right now, they have a worse off into the Phoenix Suns like come on. And so that can't just be you've missed some of your best players for a couple of games. It's systemic right now in Houston. And if I were my pal Daryl Morey, I'd be concerned can't be getting blown out four home games already this year. All right. Let's take a break. Coming back. Being smart rated. Mary's making the. I'm just saying things while they're their conversation. We're back after this. Back to the show maintained joins us. Happy Halloween coach just up for the festivities. Thank you so much. It did. Yep. Former Browns coach that's what I'm going to this year. In cleveland. Get together. Great that funny. Bumping each other. Club. The third Friday of the month for together. Need more space coach visiting the NFL yesterday that'll happen when you put a deadline on trades. We call it a trade deadline a lot of talk about where Broncos wide receiver to marry Thomas would be traded turns out it was the Texans after losing will fuller for the year the Texans acquired Thomas from Denver for a fourth round pick in a swap seventh rounders so Thomas will pair up with the undre Hopkins. Texans continue their playoff push start with you coach. What impact Thomas have on this Texans offense? I really liked this right now, I I was present Houston do anything with former Denver player faced off the Brock Tober fest. But they went back to it losing we'll fuller and to be able to get a player about quality player at this point in the season is really hard. You look at the waiver wire at the beginning season. There's not much there when you get to mid season to try to get a guy that can actually have an impact on what you're doing. It's almost impossible to do. So to losing we'll fuller and being able to replace them with Damaris Thomas. I think is a great situation for that man and Tennessee is trending the right direction. Texans, texas. The Texans are Tennessee's not training. Turning the right direction. And I think this is going open up things offensively. It's a big physical guy who maybe hasn't produced as well as he has in the past. But if you get them reinvigorated, you get him into a team that has a real chance, and you send a strong message the rest of the team that we're going to do whatever we need to do to to to move forward. So we know that Mary Thomas's production has dropped off significantly since Peyton Manning. Stop being the quarterback there. Now part of that might be deteriorating skills part of that might be the the tactic masquerading quarterback play. This will be the best quarterback. He's gotten to play with since he was having Pro Bowl caliber seasons in Denver with Peyton Manning. Now, he doesn't have the same skill set. His willfuller like the Texans had a really good wide receiver duo, but not a deep wide receiving corps, which I think they made this move. Deandre Hopkins is one of the best in the league and will fuller who was one of the best deep threats in the league. And they like the kid they drafted KiKi Cutie. As a as a rookie slot receiver. They draft in the fourth round this year. I think but after that Sammy coats and guys that are practice squad type of players. So I understand the morning to plug into Mary's Thomas opposite de'andre Hopkins, but he brings a very different skill set them. We'll fuller did willful or brought straight-line speed. He had an excellent report with with Shawn Watson on the deep ball. I don't know if to marry his brings that, but I do think he's better than Sammie Coates. I do think he makes them better right now with the Texan say is we're five and three in a winnable division. We potentially if the patriots or chiefs backslide, maybe we somehow turn owing three into a by like we could we're going to go for right now and giving up just a fourth round pick. When you're probably gonna win your division. I don't think that's overpaying for Damaris. I could say he's a solid receiver. That's about as high as I can take it right now sometime his hands are not dependable sometimes you don't get the type of effort. You think you're going to get out of the body type? I mean, his dimensions are amazing almost six five. Two hundred twenty five pounds used to be able to run for four every day. Now, you don't necessarily see that. So I worry can they get him in that possession role and build a feed him because I believe disarm Watson will make him a better white receiver. But are is hands going to be dependable I know in the locker room, he's a hardworking guy he will fit into the locker room. He's not a high maintenance guy you have not seen him through all the criticism. The last several years in Denver do a bunch of complaining. So he will fit in to what Bill O'Brien is doing and the Texans. They are trying at five and three their roster. Get better when you had to marry Thomas to it. This is this is an interesting Texans team to figure out they're five and three. But Nick points out. These are close wins two weeks. They pretty close does this actually make them legit contenders. Agency. AFC losing will fuller. I think would've would've hurt their chances dramatically, and that's why this trade was very important because of your pushing all the coverage to Hopkins which most teams do that second guy has to have the ability to make you pay. And if you don't have that second threat that can make you pay when you when you take away the first guy, then then you become less than one dimensional. So that's why I think this is really important that does this put them over the edge. I think this keeps them where they were keeps them pretty close to where they were with losing will fuller to your point Gina because of the way they had one prior to these two weeks. They didn't have a big margin of error. They don't have a good offensive line back. They one of the worst in football. They are not an effective running team. We know that they have a lot of talent defensively, and for some reason up until last week's it'd been kind of playing hot and cold, rather your hadn't been the consistency. You would have hoped. Once you lose fuller to coaches point in these. The defense was going to have won one game playing one game plan only. Stop the Andre Hopkins. Now that they have to marry his Thomas they at least have to be cognizant of the threat opposite deandre Hopkins. Which I don't think they would have had to be if it Samy coach out there. One thing if I'm the wide receiver coach for Houston. I'm little more concerned a high get him involved in offense because he's limited for what he can do. He's typically the X the boundary receiver typically he has not gone in motion. So Nick point out. He's been he's gonna get a lot of single coverage. Coach point is going to be a lot of single covers. He's been getting that opposite manual Sanders. So that's not going to change. He's not like golden Tate, golden Tate. You can do more things to him golden Tate. You can move him around and go and take a so good after the catch. So I look for golden Tate to have a bigger impact in Philadelphia compared to Damaris what he's going to do for the Texans. Curiously Chris with Shawn Watson and all the plays that he makes off script. How is that going to play into his skill set? How what kind of an impact can he make when the plays breakdown to Sean moving around. Round and see how he fits in that part of the equation, which I'm not I don't really know at this point how that's gonna look this year to that point the few big plays down the field. He has made has been when Jin guy case is running around off schedule cases been actually quite good this year on those the one thing he's been quite good at this. You're is those deep passes rolling out or win. The protection breaks down. I wanna ask you one question. See why does a player aside from quarterback change? Why would a player who was seemingly on this trajectory go maybe this one or even down the way Demaria's has during what is age wise. What you say should probably have been the prime of. He's a great player. You think at thirty everyone thinks everyone's gonna play till the thirty two thirty three. We don't know where the ceiling is. We don't know if Peyton Manning brought the ceiling was that the ceiling for him was that is good is he's going to get. And that's what I thought. That's as good as he's going to get. He was a good player. Never a great player. Great. Attitude. He's got a good story personally off the field. But we don't know how how how high the buildings supposed to be is it to be eight stories. It's supposed to be eighty. Now. A lot of times we think because guys trend, and we think we know we don't know most of the time is this guy Costa tapped out and Peyton Manning, and that system Adam gays what they had there in Denver was really really special and that brought the best football with him that football. We'll never see again. And it's gonna be interesting to this is the first time he's played for anybody else. This his whole world has changed dramatically. How that can impact. Is it going to add some energy some fuel some motivation for him to try to get to that eighty floor that that to me is another exciting part of this case keenum gotta take a break. Coach stick around coming up. Aaron Rodgers furious that the Packers were sellers at the deadline next thing. Particularly given what you've got back for him. I thought it was a good move and people outside the building's perception was that that signalling you packing it in and were in full rebuild boat. I pack nothing we pack in anything in. We're working as hard as we have ever worked. Someone makes a phone call to you in the middle of the night. And makes you an offer that you think helps this franchise the raiders you make that move. That was a sneak peek of how long's interview with Jon Gruden. You can catch the rest of it tomorrow on Thursday night football when the raiders take on the forty Niners. It all starts at seven thirty eastern on FOX Senate del network and streaming on prime video joke. How we should be very interesting that back here. Coachman genie. Coach guesses. Got a nice haircut. Oh, yeah. Isn't that waiting for a while some bad ones, guess is no longer Green Bay Packer? I'll just I'm gonna tell you. It's time on Gumri after he returned to kick off. He wasn't supposed to after he fumbled. When he definitely wasn't supposed to Green Bay dealt Montgomery to the ravens for a seventh round pick. But wait, there's more. They also sent Pro Bowl safety hawk Clinton Dix to Washington in exchange for a fourth round pick. So Packers currently sitting at three three and one being big aggressive at the trade deadline coach we used the prize. Green Bay were big sellers at the deadline Noma silly. When when you look at this sometimes it's a dish in by subtraction. And. Obviously the they felt differently than Montgomery feld in terms of how clear was whether he should bring it out of the end zone. We talked about that yesterday where he said he wasn't really happen. I think told him that he should say in the end zone. He decided to come out, then he came out and said, they never told me that. And now he's in Baltimore for future. Not even this year. Seventh rounder twenty twenty seventh round pick. Yes. So it was one of those things where okay, let's it's time. It's time to say goodbye. And then with high Clinton Dix, I know we tag Pro Bowl onto a lot of players, but a lot of players make the Pro Bowl. Now that injury was injuries. The teams in the Super Bowl or. It's different the Pro Bowl distinction. The old pro distinction. We know that. Yeah. It's it's a little it can be a little bit deceiving. And we're came out and said, it doesn't look like I'm going to be a Green Bay Packer next year as soon as you start talking about next year and how you're not going to be with that team. Organizationally? You're thinking is this guy really going to push through injuries as he gonna make the sacrifices that we need to make the season goes on or is he going to start to make businesses. And so if you get an opportunity to secure draft pick, and that's that's a good draft pick for for him. And you feel strongly enough about the players. They have to me, I think that makes sense as well. Listen, I get that some guys make a Pro Bowl because they're an alternate. And some guys make a Pro Bowl legitimately. But then don't play at that level anymore. Are pro football focus, se the two best healthy, safeties and football. This year have been DJ swearing jer and haha Clinton Dix Washington now has both of them. That was really interesting clip. I hadn't seen that. Where swear? During Clinton Dix end up slap in five after a big play during the Washington. Green Bay game earlier this year, very very odd. Right. Very very odd for you to be making an interception now, I understand that. There's a fraternity in the league fraternity based on your position. But I'm not going to be dappling guy. After he intercepted my quarterback. So these as ways in cat DJ and haha Clinton Dix. I don't know what made them come together. They get right teammates, though, a week after haha picked it off. So it was just an odd exchange. I just picked up there. But here's the thing is this the Packers are not better today than they were yesterday unless there is so much more to the locker room stuff. I forget the time Montgomery thing. I don't care about that. I'm talking about just the safety unless there's so much more to him being upsetting to contract extension, by the way, this is the type of player you should extend. This is the type of player you draft. The only first round pick. You've taken you've taken defensive guys six years in the first round the. Only one to make a Pro Bowl through Hooker croak injury. Whatever is this player. He's playing at a high level. And you've decided you don't want them on your team next year. And evidently, you don't want on your team the rest of this year, your three three and won the leaders your division or four and three and have a quarterback. They do not trust you ever Aaron Rodgers. I think you just play your best game of the year. Why are you sellers right now? That's the part. I don't get. Why are you sellers? Pro football, focus, right ranked him. And you know, obviously, they say it must be true. But when you when you look at a guy like this the impact in the locker room that that stuff is real. But we don't hear about it. And and who knows what he's saying about the way the scheme is set up. Who knows what he's saying? There's a lot of ways that you can undercut the situation that you're in and the defense is actually playing better than it has in a while. So he may have been a pro bowler on a defense. That was not historically very good. And you have a chance to push forward and potentially take a situation that's negative right now and remove yourself from it. Watch for both organizations. I like the player that Washington's going to get like he's been partner there with the swinging. They bring a physical presence ha gives them ability to build a cover a little more in-space than than DJ does. But as coach said, we don't know the Intel on the player, the general manager, I'm gonna give him benefit of the doubt. Just like I do every other general manager to build a wait to see what is plan is even if he hadn't told me what his plan is like gentleman did when we discussed the other day. So I'm going to watch this. He obviously ha was not going to be one of his guys into the future. They obviously made a decision not to extend him. So how it was probably upset about that. And anytime you start communicating to the media something that didn't need to be communicated you're under contract. So I could see I could see also this being one of many moves, even not only personnel wise. But I wouldn't be surprised Green Bay moved off their coach like I wouldn't be surprised with the opening in Cleveland and with. Dorsey being a system guy in coming from that Andy retrieved typically you like hiring people that you're familiar in your close to. So I think Cleveland we'll be looking at Green Bay's coats, so trade for them. I don't know what I know what you're going to call it. But it just we just look at the season. Green bay. I looked at this season. Turned the other way in the move on from their coaches that way they moved on from these players yesterday anything with the coaching though would happen in the off season. And that I understand entirely I don't look at the Packers team right now. Or I look at the Packers. I should say team that is still a contender as a team that is up against the toughest month and their season. I actually think they should feel good about how the first major test went. They hate how it ended. But they've got to feel like we dominated the Rams in the first half until the final three minutes. We were in position to have the ball and Aaron Rodgers hands down less than a field goal with two minutes to go and get. Let one game affect how you plan on moving into the future. I just believe the general manager has certain things that he wants to do certain players that are not going to they had to get time. A gummy off that roster anytime the coach gets to the podium in the coach says I told him the state now, you're either a fool to get up there to to go against what he said because I know the Green Bay Packers told him gave him special specific instruction there. There's no way that they told him exactly the same thing. They told him for any other kickoff. So once you say that, and then you have the player come out and say that he made the raw mistake there. He was being very very selfish. It's time move on because he's not going to be comfortable working anymore. And the reason Nick that I think is more to the story is all the points that you do make this is a young safety. This is a guy who has had some success and gone to a Pro Bowl. This is a homegrown talent. All those things make you. Another general manager. That's that's a hit point. But all those things make you think that's guy he'd want to extend and the fact that they would move on from him now typically layers underneath this that we're not seeing because it doesn't add up when you look at it objectively did the Packers get better or worse yesterday with any trade trade draft picks up. We're not gonna know. And until we go down the road and see how these how the secondary works. Now when your move. Worse. But the general manager got done what he wanted to do. He's closer to his goal. He's moving this team in direction when they take one of their marquee players and move him, and they didn't have to he wasn't forced to do that. So in his mind jn, they're better than what they were yesterday. And certainly in his mind, they are positioned better. At least in the long term. It is very hard for me to see a scenario unless the locker room stuff is disastrous where they are better for the last eight games of this year without a starting caliber one of their without question. What pro football focus as one of their five best defensive players that minimum this year. They're not going to be better without him the draft picks not coming until next year. We'll know it is clear as law and order. You're you're gonna you're gonna do things the way they want him to do it. Or you're going to be doing it somewhere else. That's a pretty clear message. Cultural see later in the show. Do. Ready? Ball coming up. His all star form after last night's when I wait the whole segment, then I say this. This. This. Cowboys. They're coming off their five preparing for Monday night showdown with Tennessee tines. They'll have their new receiver Amari Cooper for whom Dallas gave up what some would call a costly first round pick is the elephant in the room that is decked Prescott upcoming contract. Jerry Jones says Amari Cooper has nothing to do with the evaluation of Dak Prescott s- future. Cd agree with Jerry. Well, it's. I just. Not unless it's like, it's like doing a show, we get evaluated on a regular basis as a show chemistry in and out of bombs. How we're doing things as far as elements, and but ultimately, it's it's really what they think about me. I mean, I know you guys are here. We're doing a show and everything, but I'm just saying as far as my evaluation. So if they like, I knew this, it's totally different. But if they liked the quarterback, and I believe that Jerry a lot like the people at FOX, they they like they and they like me. So even with my wife receivers are not number one or number two. They decide they're going to go with me anyway, because they like it, and I believe Jerry is in love with that. Now, I do believe this. It's going to come at a certain price. I believe Jerry's going to say because my offense of line when I want to do with Zeke in the future because of my rush would with Lawrence. I gotta pay him. I won't have a Dacca's my quarterback. But it's going to come at like a hometown. Discount. So he's going to try to do a Tom Brady without the championships. That's what I believe, Jerry. And the reason why collectively it's not about the town around him. Jerry's in love with Dak as his quarterback. And that's the way he's going to move. Thank you for listening to the first things first podcast. Remember leaves review and tell us what you think subscribe to the podcast on apple podcasts and catch us on f s one Monday through Friday, six thirty AM Easter for Chris Carter, Nick, right? Jenna Wolfe song? Any?

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Trade Deadline Recap & Week 9 Waivers

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Trade Deadline Recap & Week 9 Waivers

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No. Come in to a special Halloween addition, the fantasy focus football podcast, nothing afoot here in the studio. Totally normal Wednesday to sit regular day at the office. My name, Jack. Sparrow, this dirt here to my left is. Yeah, we got the Star Wars theme on this side. You didn't you missed the memo to Maka? I need the right. Costume look like like a kid after they get out of the bath. And they have like the. That's kind of this. I mean if nothing else I will be super comfortable very far. I am you'll nice little warm. If I pass out why I like I like the hot takes they literally. But onto I'm so glad when I walked in today Daniel said look is Ray from Star Wars because I was over in the makeup room. And all the girls were like who are you? Are you a pirate? And I was like no, no that's field. That's being they were not aware. Like come on. I knew right away even have a lightsaber. But I'm going to spare you that. Because it makes noise. Can you give us a profile shot? So we can see. Oh, yes. I do have turn this wonderful makeup team. Is that so good triple ponytail? Like Ray wears I now Ashley over about that here. Nora in makeup gets credit for this. And Tricia, I define us. If I could just be selfish for a second. Wondering with the beard. Oh, happy because he's got facial hair today. Using it looks good. Well, thank you, Michael. It's going to be a great day here on the podcast. So we're gonna have a lot of fun. It's halloween. Hopefully, you guys are out there. Enjoying reese's peanut butter Cup. I've had way too much candy corn by eleven AM, east coast time one housekeeping and just going to own it. We're having some technological issues here. ESPN like company like it's not like us at the podcast. It's like oh company right now, people are not Frank freaking out. But so we get less. We're going to school. We're going knows. And we have no internet, basically is what's happening. Right. It's okay. So we'll still have a great show. We got tons of get because the trade deadline. But before we start the news Daniel, I should say field. Oh, yeah. I am field Yates for Halloween bear lead. I'm barry. I feel like, you know, those are great right down to the artist leaves and everything I have shoes laces in them and a button Upshur. I like, I couldn't be more you. I know. I know dang at first. I was like wait Daniels. Not wearing a t-shirt be genes. See his he always wears this little keychain that he oh hell it was. Yeah. Fond. Yeah. And like trendy shoes you look just like me except that the beard and the tattoos where give away from me. Well, yeah. I mean, I'm not come on. All right. I mean. Commit to the costume. You should have shaved off the beard. Exactly. News from the national. I think Kyle. When is Keith. And Keith when his Kyle. I'm just going to throw that out there. Thanks. We're pretty similar. Yeah. Like some sort of like illegitimate a new story, you're thirsty. Keith. Not cool. Kyle thank. I don't know that for factor. Not we've a ton to get to today yesterday was treated line the NFL and for many years, and if they'll trade deadline was kind of lame, right? It was like it came and went without much much more than a whisper. But it's become a real thing over the past couple of years in the NFL move the deadline back by two weeks to the final Tuesday of October each year. I think they watched the NBA, and they were like we need a little of that action. We need to make the traits more exciting. Just wait until it gets pushed back another couple of weeks in the next couple of. Like there is so good. A lot of the amendments of NFL rules as you have to have the players in the owners agree on it. Well, it's not like moving. It back is some sort of detriment to one side of the other. It's good for all involved. So let's get right to it. We're not ranking these trades in terms of which one was most important. We're just gonna go right through golden Tate traded to Philadelphia Eagles in exchange for a twenty nineteen third round pick. So there's two sides of this. Obviously the eagles side with golden Tate and the lion side with the leftover pieces. Michael begin with you. You are a resident eagles enthusiast golden Tate. How does he fit into this offense? And because safe to say his talk goes down others in Philadelphia. Also, probably have some downward stock. Yeah. No question about it. And we'll start with Tate here. Because my initial instinct was well, you know, I wanted a I must say sizable receive it. Right. I want a perimeter downfield speed receiver like Mike Wallace brought in like Torrey Smith they had last week on. But I mean, they got a better player overall. Sure. Here's the thing. You kind of look at Nelson Agla you right? They move him inside. To the slot last year he had a career year. He's much better inside golden Tate us primarily been a slot receiver as well. So you're wondering how do these these pigs fit into the offense? But remember until before last season goes on a plate outside outside a lot in Seattle in Detroit. Even so I think maybe he'll be on the outside. Now that'll mean, a lower target share most likely he was seeing twenty seven percent in Detroit this season, which was a career high for him that'll come down. But maybe a chance for more touchdowns, which is in area. He hasn't delivered. Maybe more downfield shots, which is an area where he's delivering. And actually in his career is twelve touchdowns in the slot. Twenty four on the perimeter despite fewer work outside. So I I think there's for him specifically. I think he'll be okay. I think it'll be more of a back in wide receiver to maybe a slight down downtick in value, but very little vertical and takeover up Golden State. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Well couple of things here. I don't know how much factors into your evaluation of his value Mike because then he was gonna buy week where he had already passed his by week in Detroit. It was gonna play fifteen games. But it's less about the fifteen games in total. It's more about the. For the remaining six weeks of the fantasy regular season eleven twelve thirteen five weeks. He's only played four games. So that certainly impacts is valuable, but as well, but there are other pass catchers here to like alshon Jeffery people ask like, what does it mean? For him. My sense is not very much, but Nelson Adler could mean a whole lot. Yeah. I mean for for alshon, Jeffery Zakar. They put them into similar bucket. Right. So I'll Sean said at twenty three percent target share. This year was a twenty one percent last year. We're still a very good fantasy receiver because he scores allow two touchdowns. We know that and it's a high often. So I think it brings targets down maybe one one and a half a game. He still going to be a good asset. I think like Tate he's still back in wide receiver to as for soccer. Again. He was seeing a massive target share this season. Twenty eight percent again, he can drop into that twenty two twenty three percent bucket where he was last year. Still be a top in fantasy tight end. He was number three last year. So I think he's still okay though, again, a ceiling down a little bit. And then you mentioned earlier he was at twenty percent this year near where he was last season. He's the biggest. You know, you don't want to say what not loser. But. Opposite of a benefactor. The obvious of a benefactor of the trade deadline the largest for sure he's going to plummet down. He's not a fantasy starter by any means anymore. Probably going to be again in the twelve to fourteen percent target range so more of a bench player. Now cannot start him to find you. I know that a couple of weeks ago by very good fortune. You ended up with Marvin Jones on the waiver wire. I did very well it was and I think you know, it was in our. Tr train train sixteen in sixty. I think trailing frustrated is he needed a player on Monday night football and somebody that was supposed to start gut was inactive and wingo had Marvin Jones on his bench during the lions by. So it was the only player eligible to be dropped. And sometimes you make those moves thinking I can sneak back in and pick them up. Not when my desperate team was looking for somebody to pick up. And so, of course, the first week. I mean, we've really got nothing out of him. I think it was like four four and a half points. But this week paid off in spades. I think it was either high twenties or thirty some whatever it was. And obviously now with the setup being the way that it is, you know, my concern was always is there enough to go round. And the Rams offense. We've talked about three viable wide receivers that you could start that you know, that they were always going to be able to produce and in lines offense. It didn't feel like that was the case felt like somebody was going to get short shrift every week. And now. I feel much better about Marvin Jones can do twenty six point six percent. Target's share up to this point for golden Tate in Detroit. Mike somebody is going to benefit in a major way. My question is this. We've all just assumed that, you know, Kenny golly has been a slot has been a perimeter receiver and Marvin Jones have been a perimeter receiver. Hey, they're going to stay in the perimeter in somebody else will slide into the slot. You think it's possible to Kenny all this Lahser this lot. I think you'll mostly be outside. I think outside and the reason for that is well, there's a few but first of all they have to guys on the depth chart the next two guys upper bowl Sakai. So you Brandon Powell who apparently golden Tate loves any any kind of brought him along it was an undrafted free agent and they're talking him up. So he's probably going to get some run inside deep dynasty stash. Brandon pal. Keep in mind this week, Jay Jones. Of course, we've seen that before from him inside. So I think they could soak up twelve fifteen percent of the targets. Some will go to Marvin Jones career high twenty one percent targets areas at eighteen this year that will go up Hindi golladay, maybe an certainly up from expend the past two weeks. If you hell tight there, obviously you. And by the way, just really quick carry on Johnson probably picks up a few to even with its speaking of kerryon Johnson. I mean, do we think that the run game that there's that? They're making the statement vamping more committed to the run game. I think they've wanted to do that. Bet. But at that. But they haven't really gotten there that to an extent I mean for some teams it stands out like if you think about Seattle, right? They're making an very strong effort to run the ball. But for most teams it's very game script dependent. Right. I mean, you they want to run the ball. But they're not gonna just run it every time like Seattle is. And if they're behind they're gonna throw if they're they're going to run them awhile to sort of get with the carry on Johnson thing. Anyway. So I'm wondering if him getting a little more involved in the passing game just means there's a little more focus field as a question. I have a question. I just want to say as as a friend of a lion's fan, right? I do wonder if they roll theoretic out into running back sets, and then just have them run out into the slot. Not all of the time. But like how often is both the Riddick end kerryon Johnson gonna be on the field now on Theo's healthy with how good he is pass catcher thought about that. What was it? Was it three years ago where theoretic picked up like eighty Kerry, eighty Kennedy catches jelly was running from the slot with some level of regularity. But about that. But there are times where we're here of teams that get injured with one player. It's like, oh you the running to the patriots. So is like over expert with their slot receiver. You know? All right. So yeah. Yeah. I mean to cut you off I was just going to say like charity. Getting a little a little trigger here. You're here that all the time. And it doesn't it doesn't happen. It's just like they've too tight ends in a bad third receiver. So they're gonna use to China's central joint note teams offense of coordinator's play card play callers. They preferred an inferior third receiver over a second tight end win. They're throwing the football. That's all we care about is. When to throwing the football seven percent. That's how many times teams have had to receive two running backs on the field when passing this season. It just doesn't happen. In fact, fifteen percent is the highest total in the league this year. It's just not a thing. That happens now field you triggered. I was just over here as it here that alliance a week narrative. It wouldn't make sense. I'm not saying they roll them out there as the slot receiver. But can you imagine three or four plays a game to running back sets in here? Rolls out. You know, I could see that. Of course, not we say fun. Granted how few teams actually are personnel diverse than the course of a game. Like, you should appreciate the teams that actually, you know, the Rams and the page. Well, the Rams aren't the Rams has. Keep the same guys out there for most every single play. What they're doing is working just fine. Patriots the saints, for example, a couple of teams that come to mind is being a personnel versatile. And by the way, if you're wondering why teams do that just look at rob gronkowski splits between the slot and in line versus implying on the perimeter receiver. He's basically a an under. He's basically up below average wide receiver when he lines up on the outside up in the slaughter in line. He's elite you like he's completely dominant. So just you know, it's just part of the game. They might coordinators like receivers Damaris Thomas was traded to the Texans. There was no player that we expected to get treated then more than yesterday. Mary's thomas. I. Willfuller with with their situation needing it an outside receiver. I thought this was a very likely spot for him. The least surprising trade of the day. So Thomas goes to Houston to say take over the willful the role. But play a lot of snaps that will fuller was playing let's begin on the Houston side. Again, what it means to marry Thomas? And then what it means for KiKi because we know that that deandre Hopkins just lock Dade he's new he's getting a massive target share. And there's no fans about about that. But for for Tabriz Thomas it is value up yesterday. Mike, I think maybe a tiny bit not not too much. I mean, it's a better quarterback situation here in Houston and offense it's had its issues this year but just bounce back with a six touchdown game. Thomas's usage has dropped off a little bit in Denver this season. Twenty one percent targets down quite a bit. But remember this guy the past six seasons has been top twenty. We've actually a top sixteen fantasy receiver. So at times he's delivered. I do worry about overall volume because you. Have so much being soaked up by the Andre Hopkins. Even more than what Emmanuel Sanders was seeing. But again, this this offense has a higher ceiling. They obviously felt he was a valuable piece to bring him in. And he's gonna play an every down roll. I just wonder if Tiki Cutie is healthy and the real deal if he could be similar or even perhaps ahead of Mary's Thomas in terms of targets. He's he's been over twenty. He's been around twenty five percent of the targets when he's been healthy in that often. So it's something to keep an eye on. But I think he'll be a fringe wide receiver three I wouldn't and go too much further than that Maria's Maria's Thomas and q. We don't know for sure what is house that as though, but you seem to feel like there's a chance he could play this upcoming. They thought there was a chance I think that there's there definitely is certainly a lot of focus on him with. They don't have the luxury if you will knowing that they had other receiving options demerits Thomas being new not that they're going to push him out there if he's not ready to go. But. Hamstring injuries so problematic for these teams right because guys go out and KiKi miss the start at the season because of a hamstring issues. So it's not like this was a brand new one out of the blue. And the worry is you just don't know how you don't wanna push them out and end up with multiple week loss for him. So they they really have to balance it against the rest of the season. But my impression was that. It wouldn't be too long. If it's not this week, maybe next. Yeah. Good. Things are good forecast for KiKi Cutie one thing to keep in mind is that it's not just because like I don't think that the trade of Damaris Thomas necessarily, a massive indictment of KiKi Cutie. But it could be that. Hey, this is our last chance to Pat our depth your of wide receiver, and they're thin beyond Cutie right now. I mean like Vincent Smith was potentially the next perimeter man up right now in this MacOS. The league. So a sensible trade by Houston. I think the quarterback upgrade is apparent going from case keenum to Shawn Watson. That's good touchdowns could be slightly more likely for Maria's now because it's better offense overall. What I worry about is that the Maria's Thomas. I don't know what level of a player. He is right now because he's had a struggle to this season. Right. A couple of touchdowns in the past few weeks. But we know those were the end of the game is averaging eleven point two yards per catch. So far this year up, and you'd have a big role there in Denver, which makes the other side of this trade really interest and first game back. I game for him as Texan in Denver game. But I do think it's interesting right because they bring him in like, okay, tell us all, but I feel like that think he play for him to spend more time in offensive meetings. Meetings this week, and we're going to beat us. Yeah. But no more seriously. It would stand to reason that he could play this on them refill practice in all grades. I think he he actually he'll be on the field and probably contribute. We play a decent amount with six teams on a BI. You could do worse than demands Thomas with his new team this week. So on the other side of this trade is the Denver Broncos, and Cortlandt Sutton, and what that means now for him because the biggest ad so yes wire column went out on Monday afternoon. And I said in the column, okay, we're forecasting potential Thomas three like this would be my favorite player. One of my players to add. We said this. I believe yesterday and the podcast to I mean, he Thomas was handling like nineteen point eight percent of the targets in Denver. And a lot of footballs will be thrown in the way of somebody else in court on something and seems like the present of presumptive next man up. Yeah. No question. He's averaging nineteen point one yards per reception this season because he's been used down the field so often only to Sean Jackson has a higher yards per reception. So he's been delivering the goods deep downfield. Forty six percent catch rate not too good. But again when you're being thrown the ball downfield from case keenum that's going to happen. Now, the target shares should go up in this offense. And this guy was a second round pick. I mean, there's a lot of pedigree here. He's you know, he's six foot two has a good size to him. He spent a lot of the off season working with Antoine. Ann Quon Bolden. Yup. And yeti great combine in the short area drills like that short area speed. And quickness was outstanding. So forgive that's is to deliver like that. And be set up now with potentially nineteen to twenty one percent target share in this offense. It's going to have to throw the ball. Plenty. I mean, they're certainly wide receiver to upside here. This could be one of the second f breakouts. Maybe a leak winter, you know, getting a little carried away. Maybe. But there is that upside. And that's a reason why you should be all over him. If he's still underway for limiting factor to me could be the quarterback play right case keenum, she's been so uninspiring throughout this season. So far, but I love Cortlandt Sutton is an added a good reminder not to go off target here off off topic. But just like it's important to know your needs at this time of the year. Your roster. We said there's five weeks left in the fantasy regular season. So let's say you were somebody that was in a position of strength, your six and one at this point seven and one at this point six in two like, you may have been wise to add somebody like court lose a week too early. Or just like snatch a third receiver in an offense. As prolific in case thinking of Chris Godwin in Casey other overtaking, John Jackson who was not traded yesterday or something were to happen to Sean Jackson, and Mike Evans, always be thinking about players that have a lot of ability like, Portland Sutton, because you know, you see it fortieth overall pick for a reason one more trade yesterday that I think has some level of fantasy spin. Here's to find it is time Montgomery, and you and I will we're getting make up this morning. We're talking a lot of make it you're getting more makeup the mainland. We were talking about like what a strange few days for time on Gumri goes from like uncomfortably strange, and it was so, you know, a bit of the like, hey, this is not what I was doing. I wouldn't I wouldn't like disobey orders. Whatever the language was. And I think this was a pretty clear there to me. This was not a a trade where Green Bay's benefiting widely from this. This is like been thrown magazine. Them going. But by no not here that we're just going to do this. And we're going to do it in the way of a trade. So it's going to be nice neat. We're going to close the door. And then we're not gonna talk about this anymore, and it gets the conversation out of the locker room to just gone. So I to me I mean, we could talk about it means for the ravens. The ravens Ryan game already a source of frustration for all of us. This doesn't to me. This doesn't help it in anyway. So on Sunday we saw Aaron Jones have his most significant role in a game this season. Twelve carries eighty six yards. A touchdown. Looked really good looked the part so to speak. We also saw time on gum replace six snaps on offense this past week. So what I think this trait underscores is that there's a very good chance at the Packers backfield consistently looks going forward like it did in week eight and when we were talking about Aaron Jones yesterday, I said the only hesitation have on Aaron Jones is that the team has been so reticent to utilize more than. What if Mike McCarthy, changes course and goes back Jamal Williams early and time Montgomery is still playing twenty or twenty two snaps in a game? What happens then, but we got some clarity your Mike yesterday. It's two men in that backfield now for Green Bay. No question. We again, we talked about it yesterday. But just a recap. I mean Jones play thirty two snaps in this game. The other two backs combined for nineteen snaps and also he led the backfield in pass routes. It's really important in fantasy. You want to see Aaron Jones out there in passing situations. That's a great sign. I think he's pushing his way towards the running back to conversation. Maybe he's in there now. But by the way, I will say this Jamal Williams is out there and some waiver wires now not a bad pick them up. I mean if Aaron Jones gets hurt or he is a setback re blows past coverage and Rogers gets destroyed. I mean, you're right. You could still see Williams playing forty snaps a game. So make sure he's rostered. He's kind of a sneaky guy to go after right now with Montgomery out of the picture so Rb to status right now for four Aaron Jones based off of this trade yesterday free Aaron Jones the movement worked. Look what happened. I know. College game day now while we Carthy no is watching and he was like, oh, hey, that's what I need to do anything right now. While we're asking for because college game day is going to of course, Alabama LSU this weekend any like wishes in life. You wanna get taken care of the sign. I gotta think like clay. Hashtag cool. Mike, michael. That's not. I don't think that's making the sign. I saw back last night at bowling. He was definitely cool might Klay. We're in that more that bullying fit. Rolm yesterday. We we roll them pretty good. We need a team photo one. We're coming into our next week. So yeah, the panel wear will. Now, we have yellow we have like a yellow that'll go the purple shirts. Yeah. The other teams Nobile anything we were distracted by the guy that had a perfect game through the ninth frame who was just killing it yesterday. But that was not anyone from our team knows not. Under now. Now, he was doing like, this is like, dodgeball. But in the bowling lanes competitions. We'll have some good content coming out of this. We'll post them stuff socialis far moving along to the bills who named Nathan Peterman the starter. And I I'm not trying to be like cuter cheeky like they know Derek Anderson has a concussion he's out for this week the team just a little while ago signed on that Barclays or backup quarterback. Wow. Yeah. Long that stays, but I mean, desperate times don't even call for desperate measures desperate times desperate times. Are we moving the bears defense up the number of planting? Honestly, that's the biggest ripple effect of this. It's like, oh, this is the ultimate daily play. I'm looking at the projections here and second-place Dallas in the projections is four point three points ahead of the last pace last place Browns and the bears are three point one ahead of Dallas. That's the gap from one to two is almost the same projection thirty two that's how good of a play. I think the bears the is this. Well, that's not exactly that is ridiculous. Peterman is averaging one interception for every four point one completions for his career. I mean, Matt Barkley whiteclay in this game. He twenty percent chance of a prior to their best quarterback prior. Who was saying yesterday? Let's take this time to rather than discussing the bills offense. Mike talking about for the podcast. Sean McDermott is. And I know he's getting a lot of talk right now. Coach defense like, and I know I have a lot of fun to the bills expense. But they've got the right people in place there. They just people hate to be patient be patient bills fans because it's gonna pay off the really good. If you watch that new anytime. Yeah. Yeah. They're getting fairly when they and that was not because again, not because the bills offense. But that defense was phenomenal. Yeah. I was hard on the bills in the offseason bills. Mafia does not like me active. But yeah, I mean, we knew the offense is going to be horrible. That was the issue. But you're right McDermott looks awesome. That he's doing a great job with the defense getting pedestrian seemingly pedestrian players play at a high level like to save like Matt Milano learn to Alexander it is h I mean, he sent a great job. So I think the future is bright with McDermott their AJ green was spotted in a walking boot yesterday at practice defiant. But not because they're on a by right now. This may not be full on practice as it is for Cincinnati to make anything of this as of yet or we just a week away from really having to be too concerned. I think you pay attention to it because if you know Jake greens history he had a turf toe injury back in two thousand sixteen that caused him to miss six games. And it definitely bothered him intermittently throughout the year. So you hear about a toe injury. See that he's in a walking boot. There's some thought the walking boot was mostly precautionary, and that this will be just kind of a easy week as you mentioned with the by. Amo- and they start getting into practice next week is something we certainly want to keep Ryan toe injuries can really be problematic. I had somebody asked me on Twitter. I think it was just this morning. And I apologize to ever posted it because I can't remember I'll go back and find it. But said you we used to hear about toe injuries all the time when we don't hear about like have they suddenly gotten better. I do think some of the footwear, and some of the inserts they have made some improvements they're still out there. And they're just as problematic when they happen. If you have a serious turf toe injury, it can cost you multiple weeks. So keep an eye on Asia green. I don't know that it's serious right now. But it's something we want to monitor Tyler Boyd the next man up John Ross if he's held, but he's in Mississippi time right now be the next next man up perhaps. I mean, I don't even know like Alex Ericsson galley some snaps. Cody core, Josh Malone situation force round, pick out of Tunisia. Green other than that. He is only missed four games in his career. He's a guy who will get through as much as anything if. We're at the same pool with AJ green next Wednesday or Thursday. Then we'll start to really be an actually actually I miss speaking on that because the twenty sixteen I think was the hamstring injury here. And that's when he missed the six games. The toe injury was either a year before that or your for that we have no internet. So I can't look this up right now. But if the toe the six games that he missed was definitely due to hamstring injury. When his season ended early because he had that significant tear, but he did have a toe issue that where he was questionable every week. And I think he left a couple of games early. And he ended up wearing a shoe that was fitted with a steel shank to protect his toe. So at some point a tow issue has been a problem for him. All right. So Ben Big Ben Rothlisberger has a non throwing hand fact fractured finger index finger on his phone. He definitely can think. And people wonder what happens. How does it affect you at taking snaps shouldn't be an issue. Just the way you hold your hands for right hand dominant. The the. Issue is ball security. You worry about it. When the ball shifting hands. If there's anything affecting his finger in that, it's raptor taped or swollen and particularly its handoffs. Right. And it's usually when they're handing off with their left so of quarterbacks turning to his left. It's usually a run play to the right? You know, it'll be something like that. So just in terms of ball security. You look for that have to be careful, but it's not something that will keep him out of the lineup. That's good news right there too difficult match. This weekend's the Baltimore Ravens, David. The more pertinent question for right now. Mike is defying assured us he's going to be okay. To play is. Hello does. He phone your rankings because it's a tough match-up sixteen wrote in sixteen. I got him late in a bunch of drafts. I'm going to he's going to find his way to the bench this week. I'm going to be trying to find his streaming option. We've talked over and over again about his home road splits in this in this time. He's not only on the road, but facing this ravens defense that is very good. And coming off a a rough game in Carolina. I think they'll get back on track because sometimes you just want to lean toward. Personnel. It's the reason why I think Jacksonville's defense can get back on track because they are just so overloaded with talented even after trading Dante Fowler yesterday. They're still their first round pick this your access the next man up. So I think Baltimore has that personnel as well. They get back on track this week sixteen sounds about right for Ben Rothlisberger. Of course week nine rankings are available on ESPN dot com right now to find you you the best in the business for nothing. Devin, cook, basically said what you have been saying for months now, which is his hamstring is feeling great. But he's wary of a setback rest definitely helped me. But that's a tricky thing about these things they feel good. But you go out there over extend your something stupid set you back. This is what you've been talking about. Now for a while to find us like you're concerned about this going into the season. And here you are months later still feeling the same way, I do feel badly about Davos cook. Saying do something stupid because I don't think this is totally on him. You know, I you guys know that my thing that I was most concerned about with over utilization too much too soon and everybody was so excited about how he looked. And that's why I had him. I did not have him in the top ten. I had him. I think preseason at fifteen or sixteen and a lot of I was ready to move him out of that to say he might finish his atop ten, but I was worried about how quickly they went to him in week one with. So much volume coming off the ACO. And so, you know, there's a learning situation for everybody there. But an and look there's nothing to be fair. There's nothing that could have magically prevented him from having another injury. But I do think it was he was sort of set up for that in just trying to do too much too soon. But hopefully after their bye week he'll be back and this will finally beat behind him because the hard part for these things is when it gets in their head player goes out and their tentative. You're probably going to see this with four net to these guys miss multiple weeks with hamstring because they're afraid that every time they hit a certain gear. It's going to grab him. Again. Here's my reminder to people is even after the bye week thousand cooked plays like just keep latavius Marie on your raw string grew. Let it go all the way until the end of the season to please tell us about Lexus. I love to. Okay. You know, because parents aren't oh that's right back by proper name tech because pirates might not always be on ship. Some. Time travel by land. And in that case. The all new Lexus ES f sport is here. 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I said a two weeks ago or through should go by the patriots and the chiefs I'm gonna say it again, one of the most antiquated games if not the most dissipated games of the regular season. This week drew Brees in his saints hosting Jared Goff in the Los Angeles. Rams. I can make a compelling case for drew Brees against this Rams defense. They've allowed three separate players, including Kirk cousins, case keenum or not including but Kirk cousins, case keenum, and Derek Carr have all thrown for three hundred plus yards against the Rams this seat him now breezes coming down coming off a down fantasy game. But we know that was all much so much more about how the game played out with the saints defense forcing short fields and running the football affectively. I've got him at four to find yourself are behind it six, but Mike you kinda miss a borderline sorta. How can you make a case against drew Brees? Usually, we're unlike the same vicinity on. All right. What kind of we're kind of against each other here. And yeah, I think there's real reason for concern about your breezes ceiling right now just like last year because we've seen a change in an offense over in the offense over the past month after a pass heavy start to the season. And let's dive into that a little bit here for salt. Drew Brees as finished top ten in forty three percent of his game. So far that's eleventh best at the quarterback position despite that hot start. He's finished seventeenth or worse at the position three of his past four outings. And again, the reason is much like last season partially with marking or back is a return to a run first offense to the one of the run. Heaviest offenses in the league game script adjusted. They've actually called pass even not adjusting that they've called pass less than fifty three percent of the time each of their past four games four games in a row, they've been not far off or Seattle's been to be completely honest. And by the way, the Rams defense. You just talked about a couple of quarterbacks who had good games. They've still only allowed one weekly finish better than twelve this season. So they've still delivered the goods from fantasy perspective. So. I definitely have some reservations about Brees. Great player may have to throw it a lot in this game. If they fall behind that'll make me look stupid, obviously. But the return to run heavy offense and his his lack of sealing as of late. It's it's a real concern. I think just like last year. I mean, we saw this last year as well. Interesting and compelling, I can be talked into or out of any ranking, but that's the resting there. You know, I just think debris came down to the match. I feel like Marcus Peters is not right. And it gets great who watch the Rams Gunnar stand. Why? He's not right right now. The Rams also felt like they needed to boost their pass rush. Part of the reason why they traded for Dante Fowler who I would presume a play on Sunday after being traded across the country from Jacksonville to Los Angeles. I guess I'm betting on the infrastructure in place. There are so many weapons of feels like the reason why the Rams have not allowed more than one top twelve quarterback performance. This year is yards have proven to be too hollow against them a lot of yardage but not enough red zone execution. I have no idea where the Rams rank in terms of red zone defense percentage. Whether it's. You know, top third bottom third or somewhere in between that imagine. They're probably a pretty stout red zone defense because there have been a lot of games where they have been in shootouts and teams was having cashed in or perhaps teams are running the football affectively enough against Los Angeles at the goal line. But this just feels like shoot out game for me. And I'm going to sort of go with the gut there on drew Brees. Now, Russell Wilson. There are so many reasons why what did I say I think it was yesterday or maybe even day for that. Like is this? I think that it's you yesterday. Mike like doesn't this feel like a regression week or frame for Russell Wilson nine touchdown in his last fifty four a passing attempts? That's incredible. That is one every six passing attempts. I made the equation to like everyone Andrew luck through it fifty plus times in like three straight games. Imagine if he had thrown nine touchdowns and one of those games. So a lot of signs point towards Russell Wilson regressing. I haven't been eleven you guys. Both have a fifteen mine was merely to. To offset. The possibility of ranking them too low and having him go free touchdown passes on twenty two attempts again this weekend. Like that's about as good of the evidence. I have right now. Yeah. Wilson is an excellent example of that great play on the field, which he has had he's playing right? Optional carrying that team. I mean if hit on some harrying on. Yeah. Exactly, no doubt carrying a team. That's lacking town that a lot of spots. It doesn't always mean fantasy success. And we've saw that earlier in his career. We're seeing it again this season. In fact, you mentioned three touched three passing touchdown three straight games. He is still an actually let's let's go back to this past game. As while. You a perfect QBR in that game. Right. Perfect QBR. He was still barely a top ten fantasy quarterbacks credit his best finish before this week, which I think he was seventh or eighth this past week was ninth. Like, it doesn't matter that he's throwing touch sensitive volume site. There is a passer and the biggest concern for me going forward aside of them being an extremely run. Heaviest offense in the league is the fact that he hasn't rushed for more than twenty one yards in a game. That is a massive change for him and his crushing in in all fantasy formats, by the way, the chargers defense as allowed more than one passing touchdown in a game in in week four and how they are. Let me let me rephrase it they last allowed more than one passing touchdown in a game in week four and they've allowed to either one or two total touchdowns in five of seven games this season. So even without Joey Bosa. They've kept teams in check. I think there's a lot of reasons to be severely concerned about Wilson. I do not you him as a top twelve fantasy quarterback going forward. Interesting. Very interesting. He has been a traditional strong finisher. But this is a different year for Russell Wilson. He did say yesterday. It's going to have a twenty twelve vibe for him. Maybe it was Monday. He said that. But that might be more on the field. Right. Like the team runs the football. Well, placement he good defense and surprises people. They really it's interesting about the run game two because we kind of tended not to believe Pete Carroll when he said that they really wanted to commit to the run because they haven't. But if you look at their history of their run game the last couple of years they haven't been able to keep consistent running backs on the field because a health. So this is the first year I would say in a while that we've had like a Chris Carson type who is there. Every Chris Carson was one of the guys who was hurt before. But he's there, and he's contributing and his volume is significant every week, and we just haven't seen that before time for a quick breaks before rediscuss are be ranks. Hi, it's Mike. Just pulled off the biggest upset in the history of forever, Mike. Yeah. Crazy flipped over a car. Turns out it's my car though. But I don't wanna be upset right now. I want to know state farms going to take care of this. Right. We got you covered. Mike. Enjoy yourself. That's the one that's here to help life. Go right. Stay fon talk to an agent today. All right, guys. Now is the point of this show where we usually do our ZipRecruiter smartest fan of the week. But because we don't have the internet. I'm going to play that off of my laptop through a microphone. Wow. Look at you. That's pretty sing. She's smarter. Now back to the show. Of course, the one that's like the, oh, I'm sorry. To find you bell because she's good enough. She's smart enough. And doggone it people like, and I love the Stuart Smalley reference like slipped into that. That is so off so good. So awesome. Sorry. Sorry tad that we're having internet issues the week that you are ZipRecruiter smarts fan of the week. But let me listen, you know. I appreciate it Yawkey its finest. Let's move onto the running back ranks we begin with Chris Thompson, I've got him at twenty four mice got him at fifteen fun. You're closer to me. But my concern is this this dude is broken right now. I mean, not quite all the way broken, but he is banged up. Right. And I I didn't see there was such low volume for him last week that. You go. Well, was it really fun was at function of how they want to do things. I don't believe that. I believe that. It's the fact that he's not one hundred percent, you know, well enough to convince them that he should be on the field. So he has to be accounted for. Yes. But not healthy enough to be the Chris Thompson we saw at the start of the season. And until he gets there. I mean is one of those guys they have a few of them, right? Adrian Peterson is another one. He's actually being really productive. I think with Chris Thompson. He's just trying to get out there and get better while he's on the field. Mike make the case for fifteen. You feel like the game script might suggest that this a high scoring game against Atlanta. And he could catch the ball and play a whole lot more than normally has. Did I should say he normally would when Adrian Peterson is able to run the football twenty times. Absolutely. They want to run the football. Having leads us. Help him do that. So far five and two. I think they're I think they were an underrated team coming into the season. I think they'll be closer to five hundred the rest of the way in this game against the falcons. I think they'll be behind. Little more as you just touched on which will mean more, Chris Thompson. I mean keep in mind Peterson Adrian Peterson obviously is coming off a huge game. He played thirty eight snaps in that game. Thompson was at twenty six. He wasn't too far behind and that was with game script really leaning toward Adrian Peterson Thompson, even with missing some missing time. Playing injured to some extent is averaging a career high nineteen percent targets here when he's been on the field this season. And remember he started the season extremely well was a top six fantasy running back in both weeks one in two. So I'm giving him somewhat of the benefit of the doubt. This is a guy that's been terrific when a healthy this season and last season when he was a fringe Rb one when he was on the field. So I'm giving him another week. I'm going to see if the touches rebound with another week of him getting healthy, and again against Atlanta, which could be a shootout, I think it'll be much more involved. And I think I think it is only five touches last week though is the sign to me that he was definitely not a hundred percent and his best value really comes as a pass catcher. I mean, that's where he excels. So just to clarify when you say nineteen percent targets year when he's on the field you being in the game. That he has played or in the games. He's played you. Okay. Guys of the snap. He's on the field. He gets the ninety percent targeted. Just you exclude the games of the for one or two got mood along the Peyton Barbara for the buccaneers at Carolina. We've all got him right around flex territory. Mike, no Ronald Jones. We don't expect this week's to find you because he has been banged up with a hamstring and he left last week's game with a hamstring injury. And was pretty quickly ruled out. So while we we we can't predict it just yet. I would make my plans as if he weren't going to play. All right. Good news. I should say good news to know, some clarity before you actually make decision on Sunday morning, Mike, this you have confidence and pain Barbara's run the football pretty effectively over these past couple of weeks. Yeah. I'm Lois here and your highest. So you're seems like you're biased in favor of the buccaneers here. Yeah. Yes. I love the buccaneers that. Good. Call Michael sorta dad a little. A little. Try that joke lives I'm trying. I can do it. Yeah. Barbara get. I'm I'm Lois. I'm thirty two. I think he's more of a fringe flex option. Like a more in non PR, obviously because he isn't too much of his as a pass catcher. But I mean you look back at this past game. But again, we talked about this yesterday. No Ronald Jones for the most part spite a few snaps. Barbara played forty of course Rogers played thirty one. They like a miss a pass protector. He can catch the football probably more targets than Pete and Barbara in this game up. He's getting the carries nineteen to one edge over Rogers in net game. Yes. Barbara's been Rb seventeen his past three the past three weeks of bucks a played. But you only four catches during that range in early in the season. He was terrible. He's finished forty fourth or worse than five of seven games this season. So especially in PR, I've concerns there about a ceiling and they love producing through the air. We you know, we talked about it before most area or yesterday. Most of the buccaneers touchdowns comes through the air. They've just really relied on the passing game. So definitely some reservations here. What a weird start to the season for Ronald Jones. I'm sorry. I know we're talking about pain, Barbara Burke, career even career. Ronaldo's. We'll see what happens on even like, just Tampa Bay's. Oh, I mean, we got Fitzpatrick back, and I think it's not that around. Let's move onto the pass catchers, Mike Evans might be the happiest of all that made high Kevin's is one who stands to benefit the most from Amari Cooper should make his Cowboys debut on Monday night football, which would be fun to see him against Tennessee titans. We don't really just agree that much twenty six to twenty four twenty six and thirty one or a respective ranks. But you know, I think fund you we should expect to see him play like two full weeks, or you know, we can have to get ready. He should play a ton. Right. I think the timing told you everything you need to know. I think with that by weaken their he's got time to get to adapt. He he can't have been happy with the how things were working for him in Oakland. Remember, it'd been basically there was a week where Derek Carr was just not even looking at him. And he's been so boomer bust in the Oakland offense. The only thing we didn't know he had a concussion obviously Dow's did their due diligence before they would traded for him. So we haven't seen him since that happened. But they got no other threat to him in Dallas. I've got to believe he's going to be the feature receiver for them, Mike. We're starting them here at thirty one. What do you view the ceiling for market Bresnan Dallas because I feel like we are probably all triggered. Well, heck when the player's been struggling your mindset is to start low on a player's rank in his first opportunity there and just build your way upwards like we think there's top twelve potential for him top fifteen top twenty the concern. There is that it's a super run heavy offense. I mean is often to still it's not Amari Cooper is offense. Now, it's still busy galley offense. They should have been run heavy for five years running. I mean, they're going to continue to do that so much like with Seattle, you worry about that a little bit in Dallas, my ranking baked in a little bit as maybe some conservatives conservatism in his first game, maybe does play a lesser role than you might normally not every down snap. So you worry about that. I mean, keep in mind again, he's been extremely boom buses to top fifteen weeks this year in Oakland, but his best finish otherwise eighty third. And again, I know it was an Oakland. But let's just look at this. This matchups. Specifically, the Dallas again, they're very run. Heavy offense is averaging one point one passing touchdowns per game. Even if you think that could go up going forward with Cooper, their consider the Tennessee defense here. They're allowing one point three passing touchdowns per game. Which is extremely extremely low and one point seven touchdowns per game. Overall that is tied with the Cowboys for lowest in the NFL. So yeah, they struggled offensively. But the ten the end member seven defense. Right. So that was one of my reasons for maybe not even going little higher on Amari Cooper. But I think I don't think we know what Amari Cooper can beat because Oakland just over the years that he's been there has not been consistent offense, period. And so I wonder if he's in a better structure with the whole environment as a better structure, and then of course, if they have to pay attention to Amari Cooper, hopefully that opens things up for Zeke who has been you know, he he's been. Okay. But it hasn't been as electric because everybody's focused on him. I'd like to see what the Dallas offense could do having him in there. Maybe gets a little more exciting. You know, you kind of have to make decisions on players put up or shut up keep them in your lineup from removing from your lineup. But this time of the year sixteen are on a by and yet Doug bulbs highest rank twenty fourth he really has regressed production-wise. I'm not saying talent wise, but his production has gone down recently. I think people are going to say, I get it. They're sixteen on a by. But I don't feel good about putting dug into my lineup. Should they Mike? Have we reached wait and see milin Doug Baldwin? I think he's down. I remember he was like a fringe wide receiver one right in traffic. Now, more of a fringe wide receiver three and the issue is you look at his four full game. So far is averaging twenty two percent targeted which isn't too bad. That's enough to give you top thirty six numbers at the position. But the offense has gone from one of the past heaviest in the league last year to one of the run heaviest and its target your last year twenty two percents number needs to go up. If they're going to run the ball Mawr or in order for him to get his volume. So again, the Seahawks call the other fifty fifty in terms of passes versus runs this year. That's four percent. That's a four percent difference than. In the next closest team. The Rams so there's there's the volume is a major concern going forward. I think he maybe could score few touchdowns Tyler Lockett talking to score six such a seven-game pace going forward. So there's something to be said for that. He's still very good player. I think he can get you starting caliber numbers. But there's reason to be worried if you took him in the second or third round this year. I think the decision you could make on someone with Doug Doug Baldwin is this you have Doug Baldwin. You've got them higher ranked than someone like tyrod Williams. And a lot of the numbers suggest the Doug bobbins to stay for play should being your lineup. Bright, light, probably stealing still seeing a larger targets share. They're playing in the same game this weekend. It's dental which is just sort of funny. But tyrod Williams of super boomer bust hasn't had a ton of games with more than four targets. And yet. I don't think I would be surprised if tyrod Williams had more fantasy points this week than Doug Baldwin. So it might be that mindset wise, you bet on a player who has larger odds of bust versus. The player that has larger odds of beats her steady. Eddie, what should be double? I just think you're gonna have a lot of people that are weighing risk versus reward of ceiling this week with Baldwin. So there are not a ton of options like tarot Williams. But there are some there that might just be the guys that gopher two touchdowns. Like, maybe you feel like you rather roll the dice. When Geronimo Alison even though he had some discouraging sciences past week for the Green Bay Packers as opposed to somebody like Doug Baldwin. We know that people make decisions emotionally that's just how fantasy football is. The fantasy focus football podcast is presented by ZipRecruiter and challenging a young attractive co host with two working lungs to a one game of basketball. That is not smart. But you know, what else is smart jobsites at overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes. Unlike other job sites ZipRecruiter is the wait for candidates to find you sip recruiter finds them for you. That is smart. Ziprecruiter's powerful matching technology skins thousands of resumes identifies people with the right skills education and experience for your job. Job than actively invites them to apply. So you get qualified candidates fast like kick returners breaking for daylight fast like Devin mccourty returning interceptions fast. 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Why don't we James says field stays home? Not only would I avoid being upstaged by his Cologne model looks Instagram worthy. Couples costume with cheapen, but I could rest easy knowing he refrained from eating all the candy. I'm looking at UT Amar in order to preserve his Zeki Elliott, Avs. So fun. Fact, we just before the show a little bit of candy corn. I obsessed with. They're the best Halloween case not close peanut butter Cup. But I'm not a big things that I'm not normally eating as part of my diet. But today, I have an excuse. Yeah. I'm not I'm not a huge candidate. I don't need to I eat sweets, but I'm not a huge like just like gobble at handfuls of candy person. But I I was gonna get us into a conversation about great Halloween candy. I know this conversation right now, though Daniel, but we can have another. There's there's really no conversation because its resale throw my two cents. I have a rare favorite candy. Okay. Now the time for that. Yeah. Get doing this. Sure, you're gonna it's going to be wrong, but really sour gummy worms. They are my favorite. Convinced my four year old that they're cooked snakes. She calls cook snakes that. Like if she ever sees him at school or anywhere. She'll say cooked snakes, and they're gonna be like. Good love it. All right. They have all of those. And just give me all the reasons that you collect in your in your bag like them to all right next. One comes from Liz, Liz says easy, Matthew berry. He's already to hyper and far and away in the worst shape out of everyone on the show. He does not need any more candy. Plus, I think field as too old to go trick or treating with his dad now he added. He added want to be Turkey with Matthew right now. Yeah. Not happening. All right. Not gonna happen. This one comes from Stephen. I'm having a racist. I'm leaving tomorrow at home. Let's be candid here. It has nothing to do with him being too old to trick or treat or the concert whining and complaining would have to endure it's not even about as stupid ten Ted Ginn costume that is one for three straight years in a row this because the fast we move the more candidate get and with Matthew. We'd spend a minimum of ten minutes at every single door as he talks there ear off while prefacing with these topic really quickly or one last quick thing. Don't worry team on when the rest of us return stresses a different member of the marvel cinematic universe will all give you the off brand candy because you're old and old people of offering candy now comes from Stephen Boyd pretty good right there. Stephen boyd. I'm not gonna lie to you this captured a lot and Matthew berry from Matthew to Capri. Oh, it would be Matthew. And it's not even close. I mean, doesn't he just strike you as the kid that whine and complain through the entire experience. I just see him tripping over a curb falling forward for more yards in Alfred Morris in week six and then proceeding. A cry and complain and ran until we all get so sick of hearing them about how the night was ruined. I liked that long. Who was that out from Matthew to Capri oh magazine? Right. Then might be say this comes from Kevin again the question you can go trick or treating with the entire crew. But you have to leave one member at home. I would leave anyone other than field at home because I wouldn't want some trick-or-treaters mom to call child protective services for leaving child at home alone to hand out candy. Okay. This one's my favorite. Favors so far from Kevin. This one comes from Calvin. We got two two more. I think I would leave Matthew berry at home. If I were able to go trick or treating with the entire crew. I would leave Barry at home just because he would probably complain the most saying that we got crappy candy from every house that we went to. And he would also be able to watch his kids from home whilst handing out candy. Matthew. It also tells unrelated stories whilst trick or treating he said whilst quite a bit. Yes. Wow. So I wouldn't have to. So I'd have to hear about how is family cut down a Christmas tree again. And how we went picking strawberries one time, and I just I'm not interested in doing that. Okay. I want us from Calvin this last one comes from Derek matters getting left home. A lot say I'm glad he's not. Derek? I would choose field Yates not because he's afraid of the dark and not because he would find a way to get us lost. Like he did from Farmington to Bristol. It's reference not only because he could pass as a tall twelve year old. No I would choose field because I honestly don't trust any other member. The six crew to hand out candy to children without scaring them. Matthews. A rant waiting to happen to find it would scare them away while talking about ACL injuries and secret, squirrel. I mean, have you seen that Beard's? I mean field is just the most trusted member of the six. Oh, oh, that is a fact it can't argue with. So for me, I really like the one where you don't watch. How protective services that's my favorite. That's the winner. I just reread the the the abridged version of it the MS versus sure went up basically was the short version. It was a sure you don't want to trick or treaters mom to be able to to call. Because the home alone. Now, that's my favorite winners. Pretty good better. Matthew, they're pretty good. You Matthew is the one that's left home of the Cambria one. Oh, Matthew Capri. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. You as in the person, we know only since we know the listens, right? Obviously does. Yeah. I've I'd go with the guy that wants to keep child services away. Yeah. Okay. That's my favorite. All right. So that's gonna be Kevin solo Mita. I probably said that last name wrong. And I really am sorry for that. Kevin Sola meet him. Well, congratulations. Kevin. You are. Now, these ten and the end of the week, and you've got a lot of competition because we have seen some excellent live read. So we encourage all of those that are future ZipRecruiter fan of the week winners. Do continue to read them with the same exuberance, and dedication that. We have heard through the past couple of weeks. This is a lot of fun today. I wanna keep my costume on what else last one next week's question. Okay. That we have. Make sure you can go to ZipRecruiter dot com slash fan right now. Next week next week's question is if you could sing a karaoke duet with one member of the Sono who are you choosing to sing with and what song are you gonna perform this one? I'm I'm excited to see this loving the yes sponsor for writing them. I really thank you. I love this one except for you know, you know, you can't vote for Matthew because you're already locked into these songs that he off. Like far your something was that he loved. Mexican radio radio and then other than that is Bon Jovi like Blazek, Lori and dead or alive force. I ride. No who sing and fly eagles fly with me. Eagles fans and say Mike is going to be on the show each Wednesday. So keep him in mind if you are thinking about submitting for ZipRecruiter fan of the week. Let's not forget I wrote and performed a rap on. This is true time. So just saying. Voted for other than I want your vote. It would be fun. It would be an on. We are back on Thursday to of course, preview the barn burner that will be the bay area showdown. The that's right. You hundred years you knew on picking in that game. In the forty Niners are great job by field producing the show today. I thought it was your best show. Perhaps. Thanks, jack. Appreciate that. Thank you for that. She used to find eighty-seven on Instagram. She posted a photo of herself in I in our costumes sporting. She is fun. You underscore ESPN. Is Ray from Star Wars today Ray from Star Wars as well. He is chew Baca chewy. Are that was a bad one national and pirate? Can't you can't? Wait. And I wanna go back before you introduced him. Just a shoutout to my adorable. Niece olivia. Who is also Ray from Star Wars today out here matching anti-chinese, Mike NFL on Twitter and Instagram, and he's Chewbacca in real life. I am Jack. Sparrow, click out to the makeup crew, Nora and Tricia and Ashley getting us ready for today's show field days on Twitter and Instagram talk together on Thursday, deuces piece. Six. In case you. Matthew. You guys. Go ahead. Give me for being on sportscenter for forty five seconds. Because I don't think. You're terrible at tash tag impact. You'll you'll still fun. You bet. Daniel.

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RTFP #932: Andrew Brandt

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I'm picking somebody on Friday. So. So it's up to you. If you want to enter right now, if you're the first person you chance to be one hundred percent if two people do it. It'd be fifty percent. Yeah. Pretty good chance to get a free man this week. Anyway, we always have a good chance to Jada knowledge draft when we talked to the former long time vice president player finance with the Green Bay Packers. Andrew Brandt talking count picks. Sam Bradford coaches on the hot sheet hot seat. It's pig Showtime. All right, Andrew, let's dive right into it actually wanna start with Sam Bradford being released by the cardinals on Saturday. Believe it or not and your thoughts on that. Yeah. Day ross. I always talk about Sam Bradford I write about him. I talk about him. I tweet about him because he's a hall of Famer business football very fortunate. Young man. Last phone baby of the old CPA when contracts were outta whack for top picks. Fifty something million guaranteed out of that deal. Then he lands with the eagles bay trade format out of contract to use that leverage. Get a big deal. It's an eleven million dollar bonus from eagles before they trade him. Minnesota. It gets nice killing Minnesota. He goes there zone. It's fifteen million guaranteed to be a placeholder or Josh Rosen where it was already a placeholder for Carson Wentz. The total time played for those two placeholder sinement s-, three games, and the total money almost twenty five million. So this guy has been as fortunate any kudos, Tom Khandan is agent. I think is current about one hundred thirty million or what I think everyone would say middle of the road quarterback at test. Set by injuries but through circumstance through good agent timing. This guy is hit it big. And he becomes kind of a mean on Twitter every time he sees because people like me about kind of much money he made and how much he got off these teams. Yeah. And it's interesting Andrew because we've talked about compensatory picks before. But apparently they've released him because the guy still has to be on the roster after week ten to count against the compensatory pick formula. So them releasing him. Now the Vikings don't get their third round compensatory pick. And instead the cardinals formula will now reportedly project to them getting a sixth round pick. So, you know, we've been seeing the compensatory pick stuff happening for a while Andrew it's just interesting to me that now guys are getting released during the season in part because of it. I mean, every cat manager every front office. Every GM is looking for a way to sort of gain the system, we're seeing it more and more. Now, you know, we really are. Because it's just seems like everyone's got looking for an angle, you know. And I think the thing was Sam Bradford is they knew they were on the hook now. Yeah, they're saving the per game roster on it's everybody in the scheme of things that wasn't a big deal. So hit guaranteed money, and they knew there on the book even as a third string quarterback. So they said what are we doing? You know, we're not we're not gonna play 'em. We can bring up another roster spot. And then you talk about the formula which really favors in a way to sort of get at the Vikings, which may be not their intent. But they're in ten is to serve me skew the favorite towards them with formula. I wanna talk about compensatory picks Andrew because I don't really understand why they are necessary. There's something I'm writing about in my column this week at the athlete. I really don't understand why they are necessary in a salary cap league. I mean, it's the point now where certain teams are almost dissuaded from signing some of their own guys. If they know that, you know, they'll get a compensatory pick and return other teams, you know, don't aren't active in free agency in the early days because they want to be able to get some compensatory picks back when they lose guys. And really I mean in a salary cap league why why should teams be rewarded at all for not reciting their own guys? It's a good question. And what happened in collective bargaining over the years and strikes and lockouts says I teach in sports all the time. There was. Tradeoff nineteen ninety three the first time pre agency hit the NFL trade off. It's okay. You players get free agency. But we get a salary cap. And then this little footnote, we get compensatory picks to. So these are all set off if you will against reagents, easy, and it was such a bargaining chip for gene Upshaw in the union back in the nineties and the Reggie White case to get free agency that sometimes we ignore the fine print and the fine credits. Duck in their obviously through now. And frankly, I don't see the union making a big deal as we go forward into the next CPA. It's just it's hard to get that out of there. But as we talk about France, our teams are becoming smarter in how to use the compensatory pick formula and the formulas not as simple as you signed three. Guys. He's five guys. You get a pick. It's complicated. It's like a it's like McDonald's big Macs. Secret sauce. No one really knows. And people are trying to figure it out to the to the actual pick that comes back, but everyone's surprised in March when they get to convince toward picks. It's it's it's an annual ritual teams complaining that they thought they should've gotten more. But teams do have some idea of what the formula is like they've obviously discovered that if you cut a guy before we ten he doesn't count against your formula. So how did they know that like I had never heard of that? Until Brad forgot cut. I never knew that was a new part of it that I didn't know before. Yeah. I mean, it's again, it's part of the convincing thick formula. I think nonwhite you didn't know, but maybe even teams didn't know in the past. But now everyone's getting smarter. You got cap people that sit around all day. How can we do this when you're right more and more little wrinkles in the cap and the CBI kimes getting smarter? I mean, we're talked about language guarantee. Voids, you know, lane Johnson test positive for Stewart's that's fifty million of guarantees void. If I the eagles, I told her about it all the time business tilted towards management. So when you get a Bradford when you get into real re this when you get them at you, Stafford you're like, oh my God somebody's winning. But those you can count on one hand. So that problem with football compared to other sports. You know, we also saw the raiders cut Bruce Irvin over the weekend. And this is also something that's interesting Andrew because they got to pay him for the rest of the year as a vested veteran. I guess they're just saving cash or are. We seeing NFL team more or less taking at this point. Yeah. I mean, the raiders thing is is really intriguing to me. And I talked about it on Thursday night football last week on Amazon. It's just ironic that Jon Gruden as we know sneers sneers at the home of moneyball analytics thing, but that's what they're doing what they're doing. They've traded present assets for future assets collecting graphics. It's exactly what the seventy Sixers did exactly what baseball teams do that. Are I wouldn't say tanking playing for the future and they're doing, and, you know, listen. I thought they clearly got the better of the Cowboys in the Amari Cooper trade 'cause the market showed it when Demers Thomas is mid round pick and golden takes mid round pick. You know, you can better compare the players, but I think the Cowboys got taken by the raiders because of their zeal for Cooper, we'll see but the raiders are clearly playing disaster the other night against the one and seven. How to spend it any other way? Speaking of disaster, Andrew the Washington Redskins had to place three guys on I on Monday, including both starting guards. They also have both of their tackles are injured they signed three old lineman three on Tuesday or maybe Monday afternoon. I don't know. Have you ever Packers you ever experienced anything like this? No not that way. I mean, you do get hit and at certain positions. But this is extraordinarily feel for the Redskins because you know, their team that for the moment division. I think everyone expects eagles take him over. But that's the worst. You know, you get you get socked it had a position you it's a strength, and now becomes a weakness. And you know, this better than anyone the guys you're signing off the street. You're just not going to be as good. And you know, all the all the great things we were saying about Adrian Peterson they going to get harder and harder now because he's running behind backups. You know, Ted Thompson worked for for years used to sing through through the bane of our distance. The Redskins are living proof of that right now. Speaking of injuries, I'm curious if you have an opinion on the news that came out that former Vikings first round pick Cherie Floyd is suing Dr James Andrews for one hundred eighty million dollars. I don't know where he's getting that number, but one hundred eighty million dollars suggesting that you know, he he messed up on a surgery and ended Sharief's career. I you don't see that every once in a while we're grievances filed. But you don't see this that often where it's a real medical malpractice suit. No, you don't and certainly don't see it with the name like Andrew who's considered the legend in the business. Proteges of Andrews like Pat McKenzie. I were in Green Bay are practicing around league. He's considered the godfather and all the big time agents. Use him drew Brees. And so many have have had their surgeries with them. Yeah. Here's one that is gone south. And I'll be interested in tracking this because all of these things I'm a lawyer and everything was from. 'cause there's gonna be some personal value out of this. That's what I'll be looking for. I haven't looked at the case in terms of the actual charges against, but yeah, it would be some kind of medical malpractice that he didn't meet the standard of care, and it's caused. I would think what he's going to say fluids going to say tremendous loss of earnings and cases are. Yeah. I also saw Andrew Demi cut you off there are so that you had an interesting tweet yesterday during the midterm elections about the dolphins actually advocating. Thing. I Pacific Bill for sports betting. I mean, they they compartmentalize. Well, I guess. Doing bead, and you know, for any lawyers out there listening the ABA American Association and weren't doing a webinar on Thursday a webinar about sports betting. And what's where we've been and where we are in. I'll be involved with that. So check your APA website. But it's to me it's fascinating where we've been with sports betting. It's traditionally been so taboo, and not even traditionally the past six years six years NFL this in court, and in may they lost? And now I tweeted out we're on election day the Miami Dolphins are advocating for proposition on the ballot that would allow for encourage legalize sports betting. This is the same league that fought it in court for six years what a change and you talk about carbon compartmentalizing I just think we're in a new age. And sports betting is not only legal. But according to the dolphins, encouraged and promoted. Unbelievable. I also wanted to ask you, it really is also wanted to ask you, you know, we're getting more and more coaches on the hot seat. And we're also seeing more assistant coaches being fired. Did you experience either one of those in Green Bay, maybe when Sherman was on the hot seat or did he ever fire any assistant coaches when you were there? No. I mean, listen, we had a we had a year actually year we drafted Erin where you know. We had a bad year and Ted Thompson just come in. So this is the kind of thing that we see in all these cases like Cleveland where we had a new general manager who had been there before but comes in from the outside and just in coach Mike Sherman. So that was a tough year. I don't know if it's so much hot seat. But I just felt some some tension the whole year because you had a coach, you know. And then the pick of Erin was the source of all of this because it was a picture of the future. We'd coaches that are judged on the present. And obviously our first round pick that you're didn't help us at all on the field. So yeah, not so much in a acute sense throws. But a whole year of tension that two thousand five season after we took Aaron Rodgers first round. And. Wow. That's amazing. That really is just so uncomfortable because I was in that situation a number of time. And it's like, I I actually advocate when you know agai is gonna be fired. I I actually advocate. You know, releasing him firing him in the season because I feel like it gets awkward and uncomfortable. And it's like this cloud hovering over you during the second half of the year or the end of the year when the coach is good as gone. Everybody knows it. I think it's just it's almost like you can take a breath when you actually move on from that guy. Yeah. I think so I think you you describe what I went through. It's it's very uncomfortable. Sounding board for. Yeah. It's tough from that hacking and having Cleveland and maybe. Other places. Andrew always appreciate the time. Thank you so much for coming on as always. And as always keep up the great work on the business of sports podcast. You're rants have been awesome. Lately. Okay. Ross was a pleasure. So I'm actually I was actually pretty annoyed last night bright because my wife, and I were watching this is us. We DVR. That's like the one show we try to watch together. Although we watched the first episode last night. That's how far behind we are because we just don't get chance to watch television. But I don't have the T Bo bolt. You know, where my wife, and I watch TV I have a detached garage, which is like my studio, and where I work out, and where I watch a lot of football, and I have the Tibo boat box for cable. There's also a Tibo OTA for and it was annoying. Because inevitably when my wife was fast forwarding through the commercial breaks. It would stop either a little bit too far of a little bit too short. We probably it's been a lot we probably wasted additional five minutes. And it's just frustrating because I don't understand we even got a new cable box for our cable subscription, and it doesn't have a button that just goes to the next commercial. It's so nice though in my detached garage because that's what Tibo both FOX does for cable, so nice, and you can even watch. I watch football thirty percent faster. But they have pitched corrected sounds. It's not like. Like, it sounds normal. Just little bit faster. Like if you guys listen to this podcast on to ex same type of deal tvos put together deal just for you guys. Twenty percent off any Tibo boat OTA or T bolt. Vox, just head to tvos dot com slash Ross twenty and remember promo code Ross twenty that's Tibo dot com slash Ross twenty with promo code Ross twenty for twenty percent of if you watch a lot of stuff on DVR, or if you watch a lot of sports is a no brainer promo code Ross. Twenty at tvos dot com slash Ross twenty. Good morning. Cross twenty always a bunch of transactions on Tuesday. Let's start with the to not only fired their special teams coordinator, Joe Marciano, but also cut running back Amir Abdulah signing wide receiver Bruce Ellington Zach center. So it appears as if they had Abdulah primarily for depth in case, kerryon Johnson or THEO Riddick got hurt. It didn't happen. And maybe they thought that they would be able to trade him they weren't able to trade them. So they got rid of them the center things interesting. I think maybe that's partially special teams partially like third-down blitz pickup. If they wanna use Riddick more at slot receiver. That's my guess also maybe some short yardage stuff. Although Ellington is a slot receiver. So they're just trying to give themselves some more options there. Some other moves include the bills cutting cornerback Phillip gains Packers placing Tronto Allison on I r eagles cutting Dextra McDougal the raiders signed a pair of the D ends to help replace Bruce Irvin. Chiefs activated safety Daniel Sorensen and the Redskins signed a ton of old line help to try and make up the losses of both starting guards. And my question of this. When you say a ton of old line help actually a ton two thousand pounds worth of a line or just a generic lot of align. Generic lot of but fair question somewhat clever. Bry, you know, a ton is two thousand pounds. So they'd probably have to signed six guys, so many guests. You didn't really think they signed six guys? So you were just trying to be funny. I almost smirked almost, but I least appreciate the effort out of you. They signed three guys Luke belong. Punk o Austin Howard. And Jonathan Cooper Cooper and belong to can both play center and guard. Awesome Howard to tackle. And. It's kind of remarkable like with all the battle line's league. You almost forget that guys that are available belong co and John Cooper in Austin. Our that played a lot of football as for the raiders, they signed jockey Smith and Kony ealy two other guys that you're like, wow. Those guys weren't in the league Jackie Smith and Kony ealy, by the way for part of one year and all of the next year. I was that guy. That was like, wow. He's not in the league Tucker. He started a bunch of games last couple of years yet. That was me. Unfortunately, so other moves Texan McDougal was just the Nickelback for the eagles in the last game. But he really struggled. I guess they're going to go with craven love Lanc. They wanna see if he can do better at nickel journal Alison just means that the Packers are gonna play more. They're young guys. The the bills starting cutting start bra bra bra. The bills cutting starting cornerback Phillip Gaines is interesting at this point in the year. I think that they're on the hook for the rest of his salary anyway, but they wanted to promote Levi Wallace from practice squad. What have you the chiefs Daniel swords, and he'll help that defense. He is a very short tackler. So that'll help. I guess that's it. Jeez. In some acrimonious news. That means it was getting kind of ugly. You mentioned the lawsuit yesterday filed by Shree Floyd against James Andrews and also to marry his Thomas does not seem thrilled to be with the Broncos right now. It's getting it's getting it's getting kind of ugly. It's getting it's getting it's getting ugly. You know, what that song from? I don't the song actually goes. It's getting it's getting it's getting kinda hectic it's getting it's getting it's getting kinda hectic, and I have no idea what the rest of the song is the name of the song. Or who sings it? I just when you said it's getting kind of ugly it triggered like brains. Are the craziest thing ever you said it's getting kind of ugly triggered in my head part of a song. I don't know the name to or the name of the group, but it just triggered in my head. It's getting it's getting it's getting kinda hectic it's getting it's getting it's getting kinda. Hectic now, I must know while I talk Bryk, and you look that up please sure just Google like it's getting kinda hectic, and I'll tell you that the tree Floyd thing. Look, I don't really know what happened there. But I do a lot of times there used to be a rule. There was something like in the CBA where players actually they told you to net. Like, some people said don't ever let a team doctor do your surgery because there's something in the CBI believe this would be a good one for Dr Chow. There's something the CPA that says as a player, you can't file a malpractice suit against a team, doctor if they do the surgery. I remember hearing from NFL PA that you shouldn't use a team doctor because you have no recourse, if they really messed up to be going for dodger. That's an interesting one. As for Damaris Thomas. He feels like, you know, just reading quotes he feels like the Broncos kind of getting the run around that they weren't honest with him. And that you know, you heard that they were bad mouth. And when he when they left there like I will be better without him. It cetera guy. Was there nine years felt like gave a lot the organization and is just disappointed in the way, they handled it the reality is though it rarely ends. Well, it rarely is a positive when people part, you know, the retirement ceremony or the the ring of honor. And everything went great. It just that's just not how pro football works. Very often. All right to the artist is called snap. The song's called the power dance. Electron ick. Got the power came out. I got the power nineteen ninety and it was actually nominated for an American musical ward for favorite dance single. Nice. So nineteen ninety was when I was eleven and I think the first school dances. We ever had. We would go to a tone mint Lutheran church for dances when I was like in sixth grade, and the big thing then was we wouldn't actually fast ans-. We would just do like lame like jump over each other and stuff because we were all too embarassed. Too fast aunts that we looked bed. We would though slow dance. It was like sixth grade just sixth grade, but that was a big song back there. I've got the power skin. It's getting it's getting kinda hectic. All right could work Bri. Now, that's added value hit the sounder. Yeah. It is remember the I've got the power part. I didn't remember the hectic part. Yeah. Anyway. Jeez. Speaking of unhappy wide receivers apparently the saints Dez Bryant earned a Goshi right now. So this is an interesting one, I do think that they could use a nother receiver from a depth standpoint. And I will talk to Greg Cosell tomorrow about what he saw from Dez last year. How he sees Dez fitting into the saints because if you look they only have four receivers right now, Michael Thomas trick wants myth, Austin Carr and Cameron Meredith. Now, they do use Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram in the passing game a lot. They have several tight end. Ben Watson, Josh hill. They like Dan Arnold who's a young kid that can run. So they have other options. But if they suffered another injury by receiver they'd be in real trouble. So they wanna try to rectify that now and get that guy. Now question is is this Bryant the right guy. You know, all the stuff he said about the Cowboys, and he he's not going to report to the Browns to work. He's not returning calls the Browns. Then he is. You know, what Sean Lee said about him about the lack of accountability. Is that what you wanna bring onto a team? That's number one in the Ross Tucker football podcast power rankings. I mean think about that number one in the vitally important Ross Tucker football podcast power rankings. I just don't know if that's something you wanna do. But it's something that they got to think about and they got to consider so from a purely football standpoint depth. They had the slot guy in car. Camera Meredith, I think is not been healthy or not been good enough trae coins Smith's, the young speed guy. Michael Thomas is the stud wouldn't be bad to to bring in a guy that can help them out. Contested catches third-down red zone like does. But there's pros and cons of that. For sure. And finally in the move it surprises. Exactly. Nobody the forty Niners. You can start Nick Mullins in their next game. Of course, they are. I mean, he earned that with how he played C J Beth gotten a bunch of opportunities and he's done. Okay. With it. Nick, Mullins got one opportunity and did great with it. So he gets a chance to to do more opportunities, by the way every once in a while. It's not like a paid read from an advertiser. I'll just throw out something just to give you guys a heads up on things to things. To businesses that are run by friends of mine that I'm involved with now that we're getting closer to the holidays. I was on the Doug Gottlieb show yesterday radio. And he was checking out the ball cannon and absolutely loved it. He is a nine year old who plays a lot of flag football. So as you guys start to think about holiday gifts ball canon dot com, especially I'd say if you have boys between five and fifteen go check that out. Make sure you tell them that you heard about it for me. So they know. 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"Rich Eisen on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. Okay. It's our number two of the rich Eisen show. We are you this math. Correct. Three hours before the National Football League trade deadline. We gotta keep our head on a swivel because it's usually when things begin to break, and my compadres from the NFL media group in Rappaport tweeting out during our commercial break between hours wanted to that Marius Thomas appears to be on the move Denver Broncos are in fact in a trade him. It's gonna be Portland stunts time in in Denver to start bawling out alongside a manual centers. And we've all heard the patriots as a possible destination for him. As Josh mcdaniels. If you recall to number one of two first round draft choices in his first foray as head coach in his first years. Head coach of the Denver Broncos. Any went to marries Thomas in Tim tebow in that first round. So everybody thought ok New England needs one they're going to get him. It's the Houston Texans that have raised their hand. And it looks like the Texans are front and center. First team in line for Damaris Thomas with will fuller out for the season that means to marry Thomas could make his Texans debut. If this trade goes down in Denver where the Texans are visiting this weekend. It works out that way, he would just stay put staying his house. So, you know, if you're going to sell your house, make sure that the that the closing happens on Monday two week, you know, so we'll keep an eye out for for that happening and Texans are one of the teams in our poll question the one we reiterate that here at the top of the second hour Christopher deadline less than four hours away which team needs the most help at the NFL deadline chiefs. Cowboys eagles Packers Texans right now. Packers lead the way thirty percent. How about that Cowboys right behind him? Twenty nine percent drops off a little bit eagles nineteen percent chiefs and Texans eleven I would say, I would absolutely table. I would kinda reverse it. The Texans need. I mean, they their offense is totally different. It seems to me over the last two years in Texas fan you can call in at eight four four two four rich. And disabuse me of this notion to me, it's totally different. When willfuller is out when fuller does not take the top of that defense off that that that deep threat disappearing makes desha watts different quarterback. And and this often two different offense. Damaris Thomas would be a hell of an ad Damaris Thomas de'andre Andre Hopkins in the same offense for desha Watson would be a particularly bold. And I think rewarded maneuver for the Texans. I think the need to go out of genus Jenkins's on the market go and get him. If Landon Collins on the market go and get him at just get as much defensive back help as you could possibly get because that offense is gonna put up tons of points. And all you gotta do. Is just keep people off the board. If they had that in New England couple of weeks ago, they're undefeated just like the Rams. And then there's the eagles who I personally I bought this weekend. You know, I personally I bought him. And I think that they need help it running back if left bells available and his Jason lockenfora came on an our number one. It's just a third round selection. Go ahead and do it. Third round pick go Ford. No brainer. I think so no brainer. I think so I was kinda shocked that he said that. And if you lie manning is in fact on the market, I find that hard to believe, I don't think Eli with the endgame approaching and he went on the Radio New York yesterday and said that he understands it's your fifteen in the wings aren't happening that the end you could definitely understand the end would be near. I'm paraphrasing. He's got he's got a no trade clause. So he'd have to say, yes. And so for him to look his family in the face and say guess what I'm gonna be gone for the next ten weeks. I'm going to Jacksonville and Jacksonville to go ahead and make trade like that would be. It would be jarring. I think Jacksonville thinks all they need to do is get Leonard fournette back in their built around the ball. That's what I was told by everybody on that Jacksonville staff to be honest with you in the you know, how you have these pre broadcast meetings, and I tweeted out and Instagram dot a photograph of the chair that all the Jaguars were sitting in after collapse. Campbell got up and the the cushion was all skew as they might say across the pond. Does that they are built to run the ball? They're built to run the ball. And that's it. That's what the offense is therefore they're not going to beat you with their with their quarterback. They're not going to beat you with their passing game. They're going to they're going to control the ball. They're going to run it. And I'm obviously not telling you tales out of school as a fan, but to hear it from from from the management side of things that they understand that that defense is not very big. It's other than collapsed Campbell. They're not big and strong where if you run straight downhill at them that they are built to stop their built a take away your points. Not prevent you from scoring. That is a sensually what they were supposed to be doing. And if that happens and you run the ball. That's that's their recipe for success. I don't know if he li- coming. There's a different story. But even if the giants were thinking of doing it what happened with Connell Letta overnight. Okay. Actually, this morning's more on his way to practice. Kyle will let was arrested in New Jersey. According to Ron Zealander of New Jersey dot com. Sources and we Hawkin said that he was trying to make right turn from the wrong lane to get on route four ninety five east. He was directed by officer to keep going straight. He made a right turn. Anyway, nearly ran over the police officer directing traffic and was stopped by another officer at the end of the on ramp Lincoln tunnel. That's yeah. That's a little loop going in for ninety five a little loop going in Lincoln tunnel. One of the sources in this story. Said that will let it did the same thing yesterday morning, but not but was not stopped. So he just did it figured he got away with the ones that can do it. Again. They did see his license point being issued two summons in the mail. Okay. All right. So it's not like drunk or this or that it doesn't appear. So but still it's just kind of a. Yeah. They don't they don't have jug handles in Richmond. In virginia. The Richmond, spiders, they'll have jug Aniston's, not that's not nearly as confusing. I know. No no port authority there in Richmond. Eight four four zero four rich number to dial here on the show. Okay. Let's do four down here. Okay downs with rich. Okay. Here's my first down. There cannot be NFL team based in London with having seen it myself. Just can't be and that has nothing to do with the passion for the game in London. I saw when my own to is the Brits love the National Football League. They really do. They talk about it. They're into it. They're getting more into it. It's never going to pass their football for the Sunday night football games. Are they kick off at either midnight or one of the morning depending on what time of the year? It is we turn clocks back over the weekend there, obviously what we're right. So I didn't even see Shawn Watson throw for those five touchdowns because I slept. I was asleep during the Thursday night football game and the same with the Sunday night game didn't even see them. So it's tough to sell the sport there in that regard. But it is being sold and the stadium. It was it was a Wembley crowd eighty five thousand people. But again, the reason why there can't be a team is exactly for the reason why I was asleep during some of these Sunday night and Thursday night games the tongue difference. Is just an impossibility for these guys to get used to. I have no idea how the Jacksonville Jaguars were able to arrive on Friday. And despite having a nap some of them were able to go and to some burlesque spot and not pay a Bill and get detained. I have no idea. And again, it's not because I'm near fifty year old, man. It is it's just the time zone. And the jet lag is just too much for a team. It would be such a competitive advantage for any team that's based in London against a team that would come from the east or the west coast, and then on top of it on top of it all is that the NFL playoffs. If the London team has the home game any team that comes from the east or west coast would have to go there on a Sunday. What how would you be able to play a game the next week or the week before? It's just an impossibility to do that. Now what they're doing next year is they're having four games in in London next year to Tottenham into in Wembley. And that's what they might do is have an entire season for the Brits to to sample but to based team here in London. I just think makes absolutely no sense. It is just not workable having seen it with my own to us. That's first down. Okay. Now, the the the stories of the season. Obviously are the teams that are in first place. Right. And the the kid in Kansas City, Patrick Mahomes caught the entire nations fancy you've got drew Brees finally on path to winning MVP award. It seems get it. You've got what the Rams are doing right here at ain't. No. So the best least disgust story of the first half of the season is the emergence of James Connor and his story and how it's even being overshadowed by the fact that Levy on bell might be the most disgust running back in Pittsburgh. But we all know what James CONNER has done on this field. Although you may not know exactly based on the numbers of what he's pulled off. But his story coming from Pittsburgh. He played college in Pittsburgh. And he had Hodgkin's lymphoma was announced in December of fifteen he had his last chemo and may of sixteen when he also announced on Twitter that he was cancer free. And he's been standing there watching. Viane play football. And now he has a chance and all he has done is just perform better than Levy on bell has ever performed in the first eight weeks of the season. And it's not just letting on bell James Connor last week with a career high hundred forty six rushing yards and twenty four carries any at sixty six receiving yards career, high two hundred twelve scrimmage yards. He's got four games now with at least one hundred and ten on the ground and two rushing touchdowns this season. That's the most such games in a single season in Steelers history, and he's tied for the most rushing touchdowns nine by Steelers player in the first seven games of a season since nineteen fifty only Franco Harris had more than that. So here if Levy on bell, this might be a successful hold out for him because he wanted to do two things he wanted to make a point. And I think he thinks he's made it despite what the Steelers record might be is out valuable. He might be. But on top of it. He wants to save tread on its tires. Guess what he comes back? There's no what you just give the ball left bell. He's going to have to share time with James. Honor. And as a matter of fact, just let James Caan keep running the ball, and maybe have Levy on bell to supplement until you get what you want if you Pittsburgh levian bell third down back. James Connor is the best least discuss story of the first half of the season here third down. So now, I think Todd Gurley is the first half MVP, and we're going to give that award out tomorrow. And I know that prime was here yesterday, and he backed up and echoed what moose Johnston said when he called into this show is that it's drew Brees. And you cannot argue that you cannot argue that don't think my argument for Todd Gurley is the following there. Ain't no that's number one. You gotta go at the team with the best record my mind and who's the best player on that team despite Jared Goff. It's doing it is Todd Gurley. What this guy is doing is. Unbelievably scored a touchdown eleven straight games. That's the longest active streak in the NFL. Second. Most touchdowns from scrimmage in the first eight games in NFL history. Fifteen behind only Jim Brown, and as he showed at the end of the game much to the dismay of particular gamblers and fantasy owners. Of of Todd Gurley. He is situationally aware and brilliant. He made the right move by not scoring and I know if he scored and the extra point it would have been nine, but the extra points, not guaranteed the NFL anymore. Smart move. Don't let the ball back and Aaron Rodgers hands. He situationally brilliant. He's smart. He's tough. He is dynamic. He's the MVP through three weeks fourth-down. All right. My favorite part of the week rich going to get the hot take plank a horse down. I haven't. I haven't I've been here before at the Cleveland Browns. Last year. I said they would not be picking in the top five. The ryen drift to picks. But I'm two picks this year. I started the season by saying. That they would not pick in the top ten this year. Young wins entering the second half of the season. And now they have nobody who has been a veteran. Play caller in the National Football League to call the offense. Hugh Jackson is done. It has gone Todd Haley as FREDDY kitchens called plays in week four of the preseason in that all important victory over Jake Rudolph and the lions so who the hell knows this is gonna look like on the offense of side of the ball. But they've got a lunatic. Who's now they're interim head coach Gregg Williams is nuts people. And that's why the Browns are gonna win half of their remaining games. He'll less in the interim rain, Greg Williams. This guy. Hey, be puck down down. Collide from Toronto fifty five yard line here. I'll tell you what. Greg Williams is a particular brand of crazy. I've met him. He knows football. He knows defense. And he knows that there's no actual way that they should be winning football games with their current construct. But that's why I believe in him. He's going to rile it up their home against Kansas City, and Atlanta, they got a buy week, then they're at Cincinnati at Houston home for Carolina at Denver home for Cincinnati at Baltimore watching win half. Just because he's nuts and this whole situation. Get turned upside down just 'cause my first fourth-down hot take plank. Take of just because. Wow. All right. Greg williams. I'll tell you. What man? I mean, we know is not we watched hard knocks. I know he's just for many his is go t- clearly telling you tips. I'm telling you. No bounties. But in all seriousness, though. Freddie kitchens. I've I asked around. Okay. He's comes from Arizona, and he's going to run like a Bruce aerienne style offense, which means there are deep, and he's got the how fun is that going to be with Baker Mayfield. They have like we've been saying the whole time. They have a lot of weapons and good players on offense. Oh, remove the dysfunction on the offense of side and a full dose of crazy overall. Equals foreign four or venture four four. And so I'm back in my play because six nine and one might not have them in the top ten in the draft. I'm going on buddy. Man. Well, let's see how this works. Okay. When we come back. It's tonight. We get the first college football coretec. So we're gonna get Alabama. Clemson Notre Dame and LSU for the college football playoff quartet. We're gonna get that tonight. And I'm sure Michigan and Georgia and Oklahoma and Ohio State will be right behind it. And I'll tell you. I'll reiterate it again. Just for Bruce Feldman. Okay case, he didn't hear it. The first time you told Alabama should absolutely lose to LSU. Do it. Avoid that stupid insignificant conference championship game conference championship games, only there to fattened somebody's wallet. And put a bullet in the best chance. Your comfort has to sending somebody into the final four. That's it. It's gotten to that point. So until they expand to eighteen and give an automatic bid to whoever wins their conference championship games. They're meaningless. They're useless games. Useless only serving to provide a speed bump if not an absolute fatal bullet to any team that has desired to make the final four win the national championship. So I'll just in void tightly. Eight four four two four rich number to dial Bruce Feldman of Fox Sports athletic when we come back here on this edition of the Tuesday dish of the program. Everybody's got it to do list. Drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list. And the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up. Anything? All you have to do is go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Extra money in your pocket. Of course, this may be the most rewarding to do you do today. Football season is here. And no one covers football like cast one sports. We've got you covered on a daily basis with Dan, Patrick rich Eisen. This might be just a walk in the park. RJ bells dream preview and Ross Tucker's fantasy feast podcast, they're just creating more work for me at this point. We also have Jim Harbaugh with tacky each day and revenge the jocks with Martellus Bennett. Football's the ultimate soap opera, so download all of these shows in more each week on podcast sports dot com. Welcome back to the rich Eisen show. So it looks like the trade is being finalized to send the Marius Thomas to the Houston. Texans that appears to be going on right now. Tom Palestinia, my compadres from the NFL media group is saying that the Jaguars phones have been ringing with interest Dante Fowler junior who played an excellent game in London. A Deakin Kabbalah who was at the press conference in Pittsburgh asked. Mike Tomlin expects Lebanon bell back this week. She said Thomas smiled looked around the room and said any other questions. Right. Yes. Everybody thinks that it soon as the trade deadline passes, golden Tate, just tweeted out a Jif of. Jordan. Sweating from the pill. Show 'cause he's pantley sweating out the possibility getting traitor right now by the lines you'd I mean, I mean, he would look great New England so many wide receivers New England's trying to get more players defensive help is Josh Gordon would be history. No there was that the incident yesterday that he was late will, but then he played right away. So it may have just been Bella check trying to snuff out. Ian source is what it looks like Bruce Feldman joining shortly here on the rich Eisen show. Let's go to Dan in Michigan here. Hold on wall here on the rich. Joe it's up, Dan. Oh, my man, Richie rich and the night suits going on buddy. What's up, Danny, Dan? I did not know how your voice was going to transfer London. But you're still got those beautiful pipe. Thanks. You are dead on with the interim coach in Cleveland. He's gonna get those guys ravaged dogs do it and they're gonna be round like animals tearing people apart. I think the Browns are going to be. All right. I don't look that was a hot take. But I, you know, every hot take I have I still believe is a germ of truth in it. And I don't know he's just totally an unpredictable wildcard and Greg Williams, and I'm not making light of anything that's been said in the past with all of what he was saying in bountygate and all that craziness. It's nuts. But I think that he's going to he's going to add a particular sense of nuts to Cleveland. And then we'll see what happens with the offense. I have no idea. What Baker mayfield's gonna look like none zero. I sure can you put the lines on your because they need some help. Okay. Thanks for the call pre sheet it this data Michigan right there. So it looks like it's official. Denver sends Damaris Thomas and a seventh round pick to Houston for a fourth rounder. Go. Great move by the Texans and Damaris Thomas's. First game is going to be in Denver. With the Andre options. I'm I'm assuming that you can throw them out there. Yeah. I remember last year. It was a short week. So it was just a couple of days when Kelvin Benjamin got traded from Carolina buffalo need in. The couldn't answer the Ballantyne for that Thursday night game against the jets today's Tuesday and today's Tuesday for stay off. But right, and we find I'm sure he'll be speaking of having the pipes to call a game. You know, I did give you shout. You didn't meet and give anything. No. I didn't hear it. You know, we you were saying to me over and over again about what what do something sort of caliber net tug on the ear during the game for me to or announcing on an NFL network. Catch phrases coming up. Sportscenter day. You wanted me to say he got it. Yes. For a field goal in with Josh lambo lining up for a fifty seven yarder. In wembley. I did. I did this you did it. Now, you're is from fifty seven for the L of the NFL breast. Mitch. As you engage on Washington the second half. So I missed the first half. Now isn't an early start here. But I I mean, I laid into it then that's great well done like the old days. They didn't give me a Sunday slate to talk about for later threat games. Yeah. They didn't give me that. All right. We got that in you got one catchphrase in. That's all I want Dan in Ohio. You're here on the rich Eisen show. What's up, Dan? Hey, rich got an idea for how eighteen Monday could work in his face around the by schedules. Okay. So they start out week one and home at London weeks essentially to free and four they're traveling in United States all the bye week essentially in a way teen to not play in London. Until after the bye gives them time to recuperate that pretty much gets them through weeks. Five eleven we twelve they have thereby Finland Denver. Let's take it one step at a time here because there's right now you get a by after you play you're saying they come off a bye to go in there. Sure. So after your game's on a Sunday travel, Wendy you have about ten days to practice. No, Dan that players would absolutely revolt there there by weeks of their by weeks. They're they're they're by weeks or to get fresh and refresh not to go on. Some sort of European vacation, you know. And that's that's the look even if what you have proposed is adopted and works it's still if a team in London hosts, let's say team in London hosts a wildcard game. In in the playoffs. Then a team would have to go from week seventeen to London. They would probably go right away just to get their body clocks associated, but then that team advances, and then let's just say that they would have to play a team like say the Los Angeles chargers the next week in the AFC because just doing the Jaguars would be the team going London. Then they gotta go to the west coast and play a game in six seven days. That's just not workable it is not worth thanks for the call. And I'm telling you, I mean, the player one of the players on on. I won't say which one, but a a really good player on one of the teams came up to me and say that there's no way they'd be able to do it. No way, they'd be able to do it. And and. Again. Both teams arrived Friday mornings, which means they slept on a plane Thursday night. Can do you sleep on planes overnight? I kinda deal. Yeah. Even if you even if you take a little bit of a a an aide to put you shore collapse Campbell and Fletcher Cox, both told me they don't sleep on planes. You know, why because they're humongous human beings. Now, don't make plans eats. I asked Claes Campbell where where does the seat come up to him? I mean when you lay out the bed where does it come up, and he pointed to just above the knee. Okay. These guys are huge. They there's no way to there's no way to work it what they can do. And what I think they're gonna do. And again, I I hear from fan, you know in the London game. It just doesn't mean that much to what means means a lot to the people. I'm telling you, there's a lot of ex pats there, and you know, and fans really love it. They really do Susie. Didn't go to the game my wife, she came out there as you know, she didn't go to game. She was. Hanging with a friend in London. But she wanted to hear the call. So she jumped into a pub. Oh nice. Okay. She jumped into public the call 'cause they were using our call for Sky Sports, and they're using it locally there as well. She jumps into the pub, and it's filled with eagles fans. And she's just like go to the game. They're like, no. We didn't have tickets. We just wanted to come here and support the team and hang in London. That's cool. So I mean, there is some value to the NFL and to the teams are just don't think you can Basting thought that maybe Jacksonville would play their games in London. But would would still have a base Jacksonville? So they could straddle both worlds. I just don't know how that works. I do not know why think certainly now that shod Conn took his name out of the running to buy Wembley state. I think that's off the table now. Right. You know, I mean. I was told that he may. Because again, the, you know, there is no home team in Wembley except for the national team. Okay. The three lines play their national games in Wembley. And then obviously there's other events that are held there. Right. So. The FA owns that stadium. And I think that people were really upset that they would sell it to a private individual. So they viewed his bid is hostile he removed it because he sensed it doesn't want to be hostile. I the sense. I got is that I think they're gonna come back around and knock on shot cons door when they're ready. Did you talk to Mr. Khan? I did not see him did not see him Susie ran in Jeffrey Loria shopping. Happen. Right. Everyone's there. I mean, it was really great. It really was a terrific weekend. I just don't know how team would work there in the NFL oddly enough Jeffrey Loria found hats, London. Discover card things all the time like your Email or social media. But discover asks what about checking something as important as your credit score. Will discover makes it quick and easy with their credit score card, which is free for everyone. Even if you're not a customer, so see your FICO credit score and other important credit information once you know, your score, you should check to see if your car credit card is the best fit for you. Learn more discovered don't dot com party. 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With the biggest guests around including shack magic and the new king of LA. Lebron James check out the official Lakers podcast every week on podcast one sports net or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Stay tuned for sixty seconds of AP news headlines, right after this podcast. Okay. Welcome back to the rich Eisen show. Kevin Malar is gonna join us here shortly on the program again. Congratulations to you. Thank you. I want to say one thing. Okay. The one hundred nineteen wins by the Red Sox. You have to you have to be able to easily say, and I know the Red Sox did John Henry did greatest Red Sox team ever. I think. So despite the fact that there's no poppy, there's no Pedro, right? Rich, ROY it wasn't part of joy played three games this year, which I know I went to the game on Sunday. And that was kinda as amazing of an experience. It was I was like saying my my one of my best friends who came kind of wish pa- joy was playing in the game. Just so he could experience moment. One more time because I don't know how many years he has left. He's gonna come back. I think he's gonna come back try to play next year. But he's certainly at the end. Well, they'll they'll you know, they'll give him a ring. Obviously, obviously. I mean, he's on the roster. He's he's means so much the team right for a long time. It's it's like again, Steve. Pierce is the MVP. Yeah. What what look coming into the season. You were wondering where the offense was coming from. He wanted poppy not to retire. Okay. Good with it. But I wanted them to get a bat to kinda just fill that void. They were last place in the American League in home runs. So you one right. So you're wondering where the offense was coming from it and to 'em VP candidates emerged bona fide dominant offensive stud stars in that regard. Okay. I think we were everyone was hoping JD Martinez would be as good as he was in the second half of the year last year for Zona. But he was unbelievable. The season. Remarkably the David price signing was paid off paid off paid off worth every penny. Now who I don't know where we're every penny. I mean, it's not your money. I'm gonna quit. I want him to retire on the spot. It's not your money. Yeah. Henry money, but three attorney Tom orders. Got the Connors coming on the air. Thirty one million. Dollars a year for what the Red Sox had been getting up until two weeks ago. Me was you have a trophy case in two thousand eighteen nobody expected it. Yeah. I totally understand. I could have easily been holding them. It could have easily been the MVP of the World Series. I thought they should've been co MVP's. Okay. So price appears. Yes surprise. So that was remarkable. Yeah. Hold on. Let me I'm still going on here. Just let you heap. Praise. I am to just take a good reason here, but then let's the Red Sox, and you can't be happy unless you're unhappy. I saw somebody PD Abraham follow covers the team. He tweeted somebody out who I don't follow. And she's just like can't we understand based on what we just saw people who called in sports, talk radio, and bitching and moaning all year long. Just like enjoy what you have. Right. And I felt like tweeting back like this is what is doing just can't be happy unless you're unhappy. Now believe me, I'm very on a second mid. Season Pierce, the they got their MVP, right? Oh, he is played on every team aliens hold on a second. So there's that guy, and if all of all these huge top, he's unbelievable. It was beat the Yankees. He beat the Astros. And he he he went eight scoreless in relief that incredible ill Muncie, home run and eight fly. The opposite field poplar that kept going kept going. Okay. So you could sit besting in the manager outscore incredible. It all worked out best team. The Red Sox have ever field. I mean, there you could say there are top ten team all time you could. But you're not one of those Red Sox fans saying it's the best team of all time. Are you the best like major league baseball test the best? No, no, no, no. That played baseball. And he sees of all all the team. Yes. No. That's Red Sox team ever hop. Ten all time team because are people saying that I've? Been seeing Red Sox fan saying that you know, where blocking all the Yankee fans who were nineteen ninety eight one hundred twenty five fifty first of three straight championships and four straight World Series appearances. I know I'm not one of those guys. Okay. I'm a rational red sock. Okay. I just wanted to throw that out there. I will say, and it is hilarious. Now that we now own your song. What New York New York? Yeah. You try to say that wasn't a rallying point. But it clearly was look all I'm saying is this, and I will just wanna put a button on this before Kevin Malar joins us here. Okay. All I'm saying is this Aaron judge playing New York New York on a boombox as he's going from wherever he was going to the bus in front of the Red Sox clubhouse. Okay. Fine may have been some form of rallying cry or whatever Yankees could have easily turned it into a seminal moment for them. Also, they didn't pitch. They didn't hit. They did. Field. They didn't play. Well, they're not the best team. They're not. And I don't think the Red Sox went on a run and dropped only one road game after that in the playoffs because Aaron judge played that song that's dumb and in the same way. But it was circling the sector in the same way in the same vein that the answer for the Yankees to try and leapfrog the Red Sox again a team, by the way at the all star break are damn near flatfooted tie with this all this all started after the all star break went on a dominant all-time great run for the Red Sox. So what I'm saying is in the same vein as that that playing the song? Was not the turning point. The one for the Yankees to leapfrog. The Red Sox is not as I'm seeing every post mortem of the Yankees season blogs and stories is chasing Machado or Bryce Harper. You've gotta be kidding me. Throwing three hundred million dollars at another back. To stick in the lineup and then th strikeout half the time because that's what everybody does and the now outside of the Red Sox. Disagree more right move for you stop. That's not pitch. Better pitch. Steve Pearce and natively as I just mentioned were the big acquisitions, they're not the guys who make three hundred million dollars and ninety eight team that I mentioned all time great Yankee team all-time great team period hundred twenty five and fifty the MVP of that World Series. Scott brosius. Nuff said. Now moments go, golden Tate, just tweeted out. We just talked told you in the previous segment he tweeted out a meal of him. Sweating it out. He just told Detroit it's been real love you Philly Philly. Let's get it. Whoa. So golden take with the AC and all those yards going to Philadelphia. I told you man, I mean how he Roseman? I love this guy. He is aggressive now Levy on bell. In a way is maybe not the answer. It's Schefter says it's third round pick pursue Levy belly-up. Available certainly not for third round pick and he had a third round pick. And he flipped it to Detroit. Golden Tate is exactly what this. I mean him and galore going to be right there in a slot, creating all sorts of problems and Jordan Mathews play big and tall and physical and Jalen Ramsey, essentially took I'll Sean Jeffrey out of the game. I like that move a like it in other weapon for. For Carson Wentz. Now, detroit. Just like, hey, we saw Kenny golladay. Let's go. Joan and golden Tate's into walk here. We don't wanna pay. Let's get a third rounder. Wow. So the three and four lines say to the foreign four eagles, go Ford. And that means I've got to remove golden Tate from my lineup this week because eagles by league is at wrong that I think about everything fan. Shawn Watson as my quarterback. I'm thrilled. At the Mary Thomas just got also have golden Tate as a physio. Well, he's out this week. He's on by these heading Philadelphia. I like that move. Interesting Detroit mean, I guess look the way the carry on Johnson has performed right, by the way, they've played really. Well, this year, I'm surprised they're just kinda move signified to you that they're just giving up on the. No, no, no, no. No. No. No, no. I don't think. So what I'm saying? Is that the running game is becoming a distant right? And again having. Having golden Tate and fantasy. I'll be honest. You know, I'm more well versed on his week to week me to the last three weeks. He hasn't really been much of a factor. He was great in that game against Dallas. He was terrific in that game against Dallas. But Marvin Lewis Marvin Marvin Jones and k that kid golladay he's really special. So maybe they've got somebody that's gonna step up and golden Tate spot. They don't wanna pay golden Tate at the end of the year third round selection form and for filling nice job. Nice job. I wonder if that means that that Pittsburgh said, we're not we're not selling led for three and how he rosement just goes. Okay. Picks up the phone and he calls up Detroit. And he says I got three how do you? What do you think bunt boom done? Detroit Philadelphia from here on out. Let's check it out. They do not. But we will see maybe if they play other in the playoffs. Could be had for three it seems low. Well, because you don't know how long you're going to have him for. If he's the one year rental or it's not even one year rental third year rental potentially. If you have a by week, you got seven games to go. But you're acquiring if you're a playoff team. So you know conceivable you could get correct. Then who and what do you get what you know? What are these folks? What are they thinking? When you get him. What's what's he thinking? All right in your team. I like this action at the deadline here. Two more hours to go to. Two more hours to go. 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I think go four and this is it. This is it you've got your shot being of sees. There's for yours to take in your game in front of New England. You might have to play him again. New England coming your way, maybe with Brady take somebody on the defensive side of the ball and go chase him. Or Mark adamant in the slot. Do you know Jay Glazer tweeted out? He expects another trade today of pass rusher. Who's trading pass rushers in this league? Who say we don't need a pass giving up on the season Jacksonville. Jacksonville. Jacksonville is not giving up on the season. They are not the can't. They're too young to talented, and I just saw that coaching staff, and that is not a coaching staff that is that's a coaching staff that is staying up at night staring at the steel and trying to figure this thing out. Not here not waiting to hear from their front office. How that's going to be broken up right now. I don't see Coughlan any white flag sitting there three and five to two and a half behind the Texans. Man jeeze. This is fun. Eight four four two four rich number to dial Kevin Malar when we come back here on the program talking about what happened in in the World Series in the playoffs. The the Red Sox are having a parade. What about the rest of the league? How can they catch up? What are they need to do that? And then we also have any news update. She's gotta stay tuned because we are in real time players are being traded in the National Football League today in the NFL has two more hours left to swap draft picks and players and again as I said eight four four two four riches the number two dollars on the program back with our number three, Kevin Millar and your phone calls. Have you checked out the big podcast with shack here podcast one? Yeah, we talked basketball. But we're lot more than just sports Magoo for those Louis. Choose seven. It's everything about me. 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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 518: Hunt to CLE (2-12-2019)

GSMC Football Podcast

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GSMC Football Podcast Episode 518: Hunt to CLE (2-12-2019)

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Go into a new team. We'll tell you where you probably know. But we'll give you more information to marry Thomas. It's cut by the Houston. Texans. We'll see how he fares in the future and also collar Marie and his commitment to football. What does that mean for the draft and other things to happen? We'll be talking about some free stuff to our at first. Obviously cream hunt is the main story he's signing a one year one million dollar contract with the Cleveland Browns. There was discussion of him going to Chicago. I think that was the favorite at one point. But no he's going to Cleveland. What are your thoughts? Marc very interesting move. I mean, this is a team the Browns that is that has a very good young running back Nick shove who is one of the darlings of the two thousand eighteen season. Arguably a rookie of the your candidate if he had played the full season as starting running back for the Cleveland Browns. He was super impressive behind obviously saquon Barkley, but after him, I think I think Trump was probably the second best rookie running back. Maybe the second best rookie player of last year, in my opinion. I think he looked even better than his counterpart at Georgia Sony. Michelle who starred for the patriots and scored the Super Bowls only touchdown. But very interesting because you know, the Browns they invested a high second round pick. And Chubb has looked to be every bit of what they hoped he would be and for the Browns to go ahead and take the chance on a playwright Kareem hunt because of the backlash that they'll get the media stuff and things like that is interesting to me, it is a one year contract, a one million dollar contracts. So not a lot of risk in terms of that. But we are talking about a player who will be suspended by the NFL or not sure how long that will be. But it definitely is a risk for that franchise. Yes. Absolutely. And he is like we all said he's gone through that domestic violence issue that happened last February. So it's been a year since it actually happened. But it was under the radar because he lied to the Kansas City Chiefs. Hence why I think that was one of the main crucial reasons he was cut. And so now he was. He could have been huge for them. They have title game. Honestly. But that he just that's what happens and now he's going to play for Cleveland Browns team that already has a very successful running back for the future, Nick Chubb. So I always eating chips still there guy, but once hunt suspension, which we think it's almost inevitable. He will be spended is over is. He sharell half the snaps you'd think with Chubb and hunt together, or do you think it's going to be like hunts could be in very rarely? No, I think, you know, after he serves his suspension, whatever that may be definitely think it'll be closer to fifty fifty. Maybe not fifty fifty but I would expect like a sixty forty split. I mean, honestly man like cream hunt. When he's at his best. He's arguably one of the top three running backs in the NFL. So. He brings to the table. He's arguably better than a job. I mean, it's hard to say show has the advantage because he will start the season as the starter. He will he ended the season on a big note. And you know, it will take time for Kareem hunt to get involved in the offense. But yeah, I mean, obviously, you want to use both players and cream hunt provides a little bit more in the passing game that Nick shove really doesn't. I mean, not that. He can't do it. But cream has the obvious advantage as a third down running back. So I expect maybe a sixty forty type split, but that could swing and cream hunts favor. Yeah. Absolutely. And honestly, I'm kind of upset if I'm Nick shell because once he returns, and he takes his snaps. He's taking a lot away from him. Honestly, like he I think he deserves to be number one running back in on that team deserves like twenty five thirty carries. The main running backs too in the NFL and it's taken away from him by cream hunt. And I understand you Cleveland, you want the best possible players on your team. But would you feel a little resentment? If you're Nick or frustrate if you're Chubb. I would feel a little bit. I guess put off by it. Just christianity. So it's like, you know, you pick me to be the guy. Now, you're taking this other guy. Who's just as who's great no doubt about it. But he's gonna take away some of my responsibility that I thought I had, and you know, he'll be asked about it. So he's going to constantly be asked questions like you cream hunt. Like probably gonna lead he's probably gonna try to add some tension to it. But I don't think it'll be that big of a factor when it comes down to a between the relationship between hunt and Chubb, I think we'll be just professional relationship. And I don't see it to be like, a Trillo and stunning nab kind of tents scenario. But I think the media will try to turn twisted around though, the good thing for that. In terms of the Browns or the Nick shove side of it is that we're still a couple of months away for like Nick show me in front of a camera or microphone for a while does a radio show or something like that like. In his face. He's not obligated to do a press conference every week. Like he does during the season. Like, he's you know, this is the right time to do this. So he's not bombar at right away. Well, I mean, obviously, I don't I don't know. If is the right time wrong tend to do this. But because of the timing it's gonna be something that settles in over the next couple of months before those questions or even asked and always see for Kareem hunt. This is more of an on dish in tabby year. Bs only one year deal he will be freed next season. Like restricted you said they can match any contract will be restricted free agent. Which is the most interesting part of this deal because that means that team will have to pay him quite a bit of money to steal him from the Browns. Because if you're the Browns, and you can get him on the cheap again, why wouldn't you? Right. So the thing is with that is I gotta say like cream on Mamie. Did this deal's show? He can still play and by next free. We know he could still play. He only took it. So he can prove that he could say trouble like, yeah. No, the he he didn't get cut because you can play a key. He got cut because the chiefs decided to take a stand. We know that dude is an absolute monster on the football field. Like, he didn't get hurt. You know what I mean? I understand that. And the fact is like if he does say chilling does have a pretty solid season. He's going with the hottest commodity going into next free agency. He's going to be the guy everyone's could be gunning for like this year's levian bell, for example. And so even this year's free agency is interesting, but this one this makes next regency a whole lot more interesting already before they even the season begins. We're already looking at next season and thinking it's going to be possibly the cream hunt. Sweet sakes possibly. Yeah. Any no he's like we were talking about on this podcast. He's only twenty three years old. Yeah. And extremely young. And now that he's under contract and he's restricted free agent. I mean, technically the Browns could match any contract, and then try and trade him. I mean, it's a possibility. Now that that could happen. Do you? Okay. You know, what would not surprise actually, you know, kinda would? But I can see it happening possibility. They trade him at the deadline trying to get some good form because it's only one year one million dollars or not risking a whole lot financially for them. They could probably steal a couple like a draft pick or to the problem is is that will he even play before the data is a good question. All depends on his if okay, let's say, you moved it up to like, we ate, right? Like it used to be week ten, but I think it's we ate in the NFL. Let's say his suspension ends at week seven and he plays as a pretty solid hundred fifty yard just I'm just using example. Just hypothetically, would you try to train them before that line? I mean that would be. I have never seen anything like that before. But I mean, we've been surprised before. I have we seen a forty one year-old win sixty four now. No, we haven't seen anyone win six. Yeah. So xactly my point. I mean, I don't know. Sure. Why not guess I'd are you talking about for the Browns? Or if you're the Browns are you're trying to trade them. Yeah. Trying to see what you can get formed. We're in the middle of a playoff run. I think the Trump could handle the heavy runs on his own on. Right. But if you're in the middle of playoff run, and you would you feel like you legitimately have a chance to win the Super Bowl, and you have cream and Nick Cheb why not just like go. The course of the season. I understand it. But I found Lawford a first round pick or something. I'm not like turn that denim mealy. I'm gonna have to consider that kind of thing. Yeah. I mean, they're not you're not gonna get a first-round pick at all for him because he's a restricted free agent. But he can you can just sign him. So like if you're a team, you'll just wait to his free agent, and then give a massive contract set of giving him a massive contract. Plus giving the other for your giving some of these franchises a little too much credit for being more intelligent than you think. It'd be honest haired Kareem hunt signed for a one year one million dollar contract. Nobody in their right mind is giving anyone first-round pick for this guy. Now true, but I have seen crazier. But anyways, I do agree with you the fact that it's probably not the best thing to trade on deadline. But it I think it could happen. I think there could be be looking at maybe considering offers. But I don't think they'll take any. But regardless I think the fact is this is his redemption chance in next year's free. He's going to be the biggest for him. And he's gonna get the contract that he really wants. He did lose a ton of money being cut by the chiefs for sure and this season's gonna try to get him back into that good spotlight and get him that massive deal. I'm very surprised that he signed there. He must feel him and his agent must feel like not many other teams in on him. Because like I think that there's a better rule her multiple teams interest in him though. Didn't you? Yeah. Maybe it's his relationship with John Dorsey. I mean, he does have ties with with cream. Chip. Yeah. He knows him. Very well. But still I just feel like he could've may be joined a team. I think the only game like a three year deal to be honest with you. Yeah. I mean, so look, we're speculating, right? We don't even know what teams right completely like, no. We won't hire cream. Like, we don't even know him eighteen very as you could say like, oh, there's a team like San Francisco or Oakland that could really use ago at cream hunt because of his talents, maybe the offense fits maybe the. The opportunities there. But we don't even know if those teams are interested in going after him, we is it's so hard to spec it like both going after the Levy on bell more than anything. Like, let's be honest cream has the ability to be the biggest bargain in the NFL next year a one million dollar contract for a guy who's arguably top five at his position. And one of the biggest game changers in the NFL. Like, yes, he will have been gone for roughly a year. Yeah. I mean when when was like week twelve that he got and he's getting roughly be back around that same time they suspension. Yeah. So worried about that bills about to get like seventy five million dollars a year. But he's going to be coming back regardless in the middle of the season. And we really don't know how he's got to perform. It's still be as lemme bell. Also question that people are willing to risk for and it's not his attitude. That's the issue is the money problem. This one also has added his off field antics towards it. So that my effect shocked to though that is relatively cheap business for the Browns. Like, oh, it's no harm. No foul at all. Then I know the bears said that they would consider signing him. I mean that seems like that'd be a really good one year one million dollars bargain, if he has that's on the cheapest things I've ever seen for a guy of that caliber. They're like if you think about it, just fit wise and opportunity, there's a there's more than half the league that it would. Make sense to get cream on like really like about half. The let's be on any team could use cream hunt every team so, but we don't know how long he'll be suspended, and that's a big deal. Right. Like, that's probably why people were so worried about signing him beak based off a future suspension is it's it's happening. I think he's getting a games. At least. I don't know. We'll see we'll see how they navigate this. But we know how the NFL has been destroyed in the past for not suspending guys, quote, unquote for a long enough for the, you know, for the public opinion. So I think they're going to suspend him more harshly than they would in a different year. Just because of everything that's just gone on in the NFL and the NFL trying to rehabilitate its image in terms of mystic violence. Yeah. But we really don't know. What's suspend is get a beer how long it's gonna be. We have for even foster like Reuben foster house, an interesting situation himself, you know. Yeah. And the Redskins handle that really will. Yeah. We don't know. Like, yes. We know the charges were dropped. This is the fourth time. He was arrested in a year is that auto cream has had supposedly one or two instances in no arrests. From the my knowledge who foster has been arrested for times that one should be longer than creams in my opinion. Is this rubel, vases, actually been arrested multiple times with the same scenario? So why I think he should get any longer suspension when she or would you say cream hunt? You get the longer one. I think cream is going to get at least the same amount of games as Reuben foster is it because of his. Just it was a video of it. Or is it because of his his status? The video makes a big deal. It just the video makes him. Look extremely aggressive. I'll give you that. Because he was held back by multiple guys in that video which does not help his cause. Because if he just walked away from it and the guys hold back. He walked away from it. That's one thing. He kept pushing that he kept pushing to get towards her. That was the issue. The problem is. When there's video it just. It makes things like that much worse. I mean, it just does like people are visually. They've they see something and they're more taken aback when rather than some show. Yeah. When you hear when you hear woman was allegedly smack in the face or a leg allegedly kicked by athle-. You're like, okay. Well, what happened? Did he touch her? How bad was you have all these questions, and you kind of give the benefit of the doubt to the player, you kinda do just consciously. But when there's video you're like, oh, well that doesn't look good. Like Ray rice is never gonna play down in the NFL again. Because of the fact if he wasn't on tape in. Okay. Well, it's true. And it's a harsh reality on tape. He wouldn't have been suspended. He wasn't like he wasn't suspended until the tape came out. Same with Kareem hunt cream, the NFL knew that this happened, months and months and months before and then a video surface. And then he was like, oh, he can't play publicly. Yes. So the NFL, and I think that's part of it too. Right. That's part of what why think cream how will be suspended harshly is. Because the NFL's inability to nip this in the bud when it happened there. Now going to control yet now. They're going to be forced to maybe suspend him longer than they would have because it's a image thing. I mean, looking at both the tapes of Ray rice and cream on Ray rice was little more violent little more gruesome in my opinion, just fest. He Nunnelee hit her, and she hit the guardrail and all that stuff on the in the elevator. But he dragged her out which. Why so many questions about the Ray rice incident that I still have not been answered in my head like none of that made sense to me, and what went through his mind going through all of that. Regardless cream hunt is now in that situation. He is now in the kind of this cesspool at the moment of question marks and suspensions, that's probably going to happen. And so we'll see how he recovers from this. But regardless it's not as I don't like to say like this. But like Ray rice was a little more gruesome. And that's why he's no it was. I mean him him just knocking out his fiancee on say at the time. I mean, it is like, obviously, we're not going to sit here and be like, oh, well, you know, this domestic violence is better than the other built like no the image of him just cold cocking her dragging ragging. Hurt is a very harsh image. Stuck in people's. Disturbing. It's absolutely disturbing cream hunt with people saw. Yes, you're shocked by it. Yes. But it was it wasn't. It wasn't as I mean. Honestly, just physically speaking. It wasn't a dangerous act. Like what Ray Ray rice could have killed the woman? He really her. If she hit her head on that rail even harder getaway on Esther. He could've give her a lot of Homa or some serious damage could have happened and with cream. He did shove a guy into her. And she hit the wall pretty hard. I will say that. Yeah. And people are upset about the kick. But I didn't see much about the kick. I the pushing to the wall was what made me understand this is domestic violence because she hit that wall heart, obviously. And then people get the kick. I don't see the kick as the biggest deals because the fact he he barely. I don't think any hitter. But I see the hitting the wall as the biggest part of that. That's probably what hurts the most. Yes. So I mean, it it's one of those things where they're all. These incense are terrible. And we'll see what the NFL does with Reuben foster what they do with cream high. But yes, I it's it's black eye on the league. It has been a black guy for the league for a long time. So yeah, we take a break. And then we come back. We talked a little Cairo Murray. 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But you can't do that and podcasts and journalism. Can't give them people. What they want? You know, why did they did? They do the NFL top ten stuff at the end of the show or the ESPN top tenth the end of the show. That's the best part roughly? Yeah. Maybe. Like, you don't want the main event to be at the beginning of the show. You gotta we gotta build it up. Wrestlemainia main event is in the first match. It'd be reason why they do it. I mean, I'm sure the analytics support what they do. So think our fans do you think made eventually I your last and will answer that with main events different because if you already have somebody's attention. It's like the movie you're not going to give away the ending until the end. But, but yeah, your house somebody's sitting there it we're getting off topic. All right, continuing car primary has fully committed to the NFL, which leads me to believe that that means he's not attending spring training baseball as that is three days away. So I'm assuming that's the case. I don't know if that is what everybody else's assuming when he says, I'm fully committing the football. What do you think of? I think it's moves stock personally. I think it's like I think football's get it be where I'm gonna be better at like overall. Because I don't think I think he knows he won't be able to make it to the. Major league. I think you'll be stuck in the minor leagues. If he if he if he goes there, but the bottom line for me is the fact his stock is going to rise his talks more invested by teams. I need quarterbacks rather than not. So I think this helps him in the long run in the draft. So when it comes to April when he gets drafted he's going to be in the top ten rather than the bottom than I have conspiracy theory. Ooh, let's hear it. Maybe the cardinals have already told them that they're going to pick them number one. They're on the clock, technically, they are actually there. I don't think they're literally on the clock. Are there are they tend to be on the cloud? I mean, they might not be technically on the clock. But they're on the clock the next team pick. So that makes sense. But if you'll so officers months of this clock, and there's a long ask clock. But I understand what you're saying. And maybe that's the case. But there what about Josh Rosen. What what's going to happen to him? I have no idea. But are they gonna Josh Rosen wasn't the guy that kings very picked? And I know that they have the same general manager. And I don't know if they're willing to give up on Rosen yet. But there are there's theories out there that say if they like, they should just take our Mary. Well, there was that anybody here view with Kingsbury saying he would trade Rosen and draft Murray number one. Right. He did say that. And that was foreshadowing. Sure. Yeah. He didn't who knew that. He would end up having a losing record at Texas Tech. And then wind up being a head coach of NFL team. Does Shawn things that he should be getting hands. And he's thinking Patrick Mahomes for that. Well, I mean, he had a losing record at Texas. It's all about how bad Mahomes, did that's how he got this job. That's all about which is crazy because he had Patrick Mahomes. And he had a losing record. I it's regardless we got to this point to interesting. He also had a bigger field there for for hot minute before he transferred out legitimate a minute. I'm kidding. But regardless if he does go for Murray, they're obviously going to trade Rosen. So the miles fiercely is Colonel told him that they were going to drift or once. So then, of course, he said all right baseball. I'm not playing you. Because I am going to be the number one pick, and he's gonna make more money there than he will in baseball for sure. And with that I have to ask what? Okay. So obviously, they going Marie. They're gonna trade Rosen. What's Rosen's destination? What's Rosen's stock value for a trade? A first round pick. Who's giving? Let me ask you who's giving up a first round pick. Maybe Jacksonville Jaguars. Maybe Naimey dolphins. Maybe Denver Bronx. So they're going to give up their seventh overall pick for Josh Rosen. If you think that Josh Rosen's better than the quarterback that you would have taken there. Yeah. You do it. Right. I think. What is it doesn't matter to you? If you're the Jaguars. If you're the Jaguars boost my stellar defense with adding another like a, greedy Williams right next to Jalen Ramsey AJ. Buoy their have the best to combo corners. No. But couldn't hurt to third, but or like a defensive tackle. But if you're if you're the Jaguars and you're saying we're drafting a quarterback like take away the other options. Like, let's matter what it's gonna be a quarterback. Whoa. Let's say you're the general manager of the Jaguars. And you're like we have to draft quarterback number seven. We're pretty good at other positions. Feel very confident what we have. Because I don't think the Jaguars picking it. I think if the Jaguars picked cornerback at seven they would get destroyed like they would get crushed by the media and their fans would be furious there to have the two best combo corners in the NFL. Yes. A third one is spectacular. But you can't just go throughout your team. And not address the biggest position in the league. Like you have through late again. There is free agency. We don't know what they're gonna do free agent wise also. But there's a good chance. They don't go after high expensive free agent quarterback. Because if you if they do think Rosen's the guy, and they say they trade a second and third and they keep that perch overall pick. I know that's unlikely but just hear me out wouldn't you want to boost defensive another edge rhetoric and other defensive tackle and make that defense even better which pushed less pressure on. Josh rosen. Yeah. I mean, you could. But their defense is great like they don't make it even better. Like, obviously they didn't do so last season because it can throw the ball. I mean like literally their offense was terrible. But was their defense. Historically, good. No. I mean, look, it's the NFL if your offense your defense is going to suffer some consequences. Right. If your offense throws interceptions fumbles the ball, punts all the time. But the fact is their defense can win the Super Bowl like they don't need to fix their defense. They need a quarterback. I never said that they needed a fix. I say they could just boost it it killing make it better. That's what it does. Adding a nickel cornerback with the seventh pick in the draft actually healthier defense wouldn't address your help or would a defense attacked and. Absolutely. It will definitely help. They don't have problems. There is on saying I'm going to go back and ask you the same question. If you're going to pick a quarterback with your first pick in the draft. And you think Rosen's better than Haskins you make that trade, right? Because you're you're not losing anything. If you're the Jaguars. If you're already going to pick a quarterback now if you're going to sign a quarterback in draft a defensive player, that's different. But if you're resigned to the fact, I'm taking I'm the general manager of the Jaguars taking quarterback if you like Rosa more than Haskins you take Rosen. Right. You make the trade the things with Rosen is I've always had my doubts about him. Because he didn't like I understand. He was on a very Jew grew with that. That's what I'm asking you. If you if you think, I'm not asking your personal opinion. If you're the general manager of the wars in you or like Rosen we liked Roseanne last year. We think he's great. And we think he's better than Haskins would wouldn't make that trait. I mean, you would write like just be like, all right? Yeah. We'd love to have risen cardinals. Here's a first round pick. I just. Yeah. I agree. If that gentlemen, things that he will do that. But I think it's too much of a risk in my opinion. Because of the fact that Rosen didn't impress me this. I know he was. On a very bad team. You know, there are people that say though, that Rosen would have been the number one pick and a different year. That's the whole thing. I'm not a big Rosen fan. I'm just saying a lot of people were in level. Josh rosen. I mean their teams thought Rosen was the best quarterback in the draft Lascaux. But I know what team he was on. How bad is offense. Align wasn't he had no help? But he still like he said, Larry FitzGerald, he was still playing. Credibly high level for his age all things considered. And so for that. I just like he didn't really try to make the most out of what he had. And that always made me question like was guys good as everyone says he is we'll see but was his team just so historically bad. I don't think it's Rosen's. First year reminds me of Alex Smith first year in the NFL his team was so bad. His offense was so bad is coaching with Soviet that it was kind of a wash. Like, you got to remember man, he had a defensive it coach first time coach who lasted one season and they fired their offense coordinator halfway through season. He had probably the hardest position ever for rookie quarterback to be in. But no offense vine the worse off. And I think I've ever seen was the colonel's last year them or the giants. But both were both were God awful. So I know what you're saying there doubts about Rosen, but it's hard to say well based on his rookie year. You know what? I mean. It's incomplete like not a real great. You know? But I just yeah. But I just don't gem Andrew things he's be he's better than Haskins. I'm just doing there's a lot. Maybe I don't know. I assume I this is what I'm assuming this isn't what I think he thinks I'm assuming that he thinks Haskins has more upside than Rosen because of how rose and had a very judgmental season. Then feel like I do feel like that Rosen was more hyped than Haskins last year than Haskins is this year. I do because I think Rosen was considered a top five pick last year who just happened to be the third quarterback taken in very good quarterback class where let's be honest. Where would Haskins be drafted if he was in last year. Quarterback class. What do you be drafted before Rosen? I really don't know. I honestly don't tough to say. But if possible certain it's because Hieaux state is so good. I think maybe compared to UCLA that's just my guess at least, right? But overall, I would say it's a tough call. But I would say maybe I wouldn't say like, no absolutely not because of Ohio State versus UCLA. You might want to stay over Meyer guy. Yeah. So it is it is a tough decision. And also you see does combine. And all this other stuff. There's still things we don't really know about. But right, right. Granted. Stuff's going. Yeah. And it has like has a bunch of potential. I'm not taking away from him at all. But I understand what you're coming from. And that's this. The question is is going to be Haskins going. I as a quarterback was Murray going I and even lock is going up there. He'd be able to open the stock as well as Daniel Jones. So we really according to my kids I cover number one. Yeah. But I that's still very judgmental to me. That's still very teed to be determined. Because I I will be incredibly surprised if he gets picked first overall in they trade Rosen. Yeah. Because I feel like if you're the new head coach your general manager whoever hired you said Rosen's our guy you've just got to work with them. We know you can work with good quarterbacks. You can make him better. That's what I'm assuming they're going to use in that situation. That's why they got him in the first place because he knows he they know he worked with quarterbacks. And why wouldn't you go for a guy that can help you rookie quarterback? But if they give up on for the one year that puts a lot of question marks on a whole franchise, basically my cardinals you mean. Yeah. Yeah. But. They're whenever there's a regime change you true. I don't think the kernels on a Santa that's my conspiracy theory. But I don't think they're gonna give up on Rosen. Just yet. I really don't. I. Cain the wheel Kane idea, which he pitched a few weeks ago, which I don't disagree with at all his idea is if you're a team like the cardinals. Just draft the best quarterback. And then if what them figure out who wins the job in if it's our Murray trade Rosen if it's Rosen trade cower Murray, I kind of don't disagree with that. I know that people I know that's a different approach and people would be like, oh my God. How could you just keep drafting quarterback after quarter? But until you hit Tom Brady, why not try and find Tom Brady is kind of the argument. Right. Yeah. It's it's a very it's tough. Honestly, having their own pick is probably the most difficult thing to have in the NFL because you really can't mess up any at there's so many options. It's tough. It's extremely difficult. I really don't know what to a different theory of team building. You know? I mean, it's just like I don't necessarily disagree with that approach. I think there's something to there because you just want to find that quarterback. And we don't know if Rosen's the guy, we don't know cover. Moore is the guy right? Like, we don't know. But if we know how tall Colliver, let's be honest if you draft cower Murray, and you have Josh Rosen, and you kind of let the quarterback position decided self. I who's the best player you use preseason us training camp. Use everything write us a season. If one struggles during the season, you play the other one whatever, but there's a good chance if you draft CARA Murray that one of the to at least be pretty good. If you don't draft a quarterback if the kernels don't draft a quarterback. Let's put it this way. Let's say they pick. Bosa. Let's say they pick Bosa good player probably going to be a great player. But next year they could be in the same situation where they're drafting first of all 'cause Rosen isn't good. And they still haven't figured out the position, right? They could be what the New York Giants are this year near giants to saquon Barkley great player rookie of the year still trashed him like still haven't fixed saying, but it's interesting to think about I think I think what's crucial is like I see what you're saying. And it just sounds like. Oh where they got. They got to do something, right sooner or later. It's got work sometime and every every draft a quarterback every single year. One's gotta be good. Right. That's kind of like you're saying. And but that I feel like if you draft another quarterback this year, and he's just as bad as just starts really sloppy. As Rosen knows your back, another you your team's going backwards, even more than it already was because you're not filling up and other necessary spots like an offensive tackle. Honestly, I think they should take an offense tackle at the first round in or something. I don't I know they need defense. But their defense was actually not too bad all things considered. I know that we mean you just. We both are draft philosophy. We disagree under. We just do like we have a existential disagreement when it comes to this like you you prefer drafting for a need-based strategy where I say quarterbacks most important let me figure out my quarterback. Then I'll start filling in the gaps. Just like if I was a basketball team. I'm not drafting a small Ford because I need a small. I'm drafting than the best player if he's a small Ford. Great awesome. Fantastic. Perfect. But if he's a shooting guard and Ardy have Kobe Bryant, I'm still taking the next best player. Like, I just I use. I wanna use the draft as loading up on blue chip talent. And I'll fill in the gaps with my later picks and also free agency. If that makes sense that's just my philosophy. Doesn't mean it's perfect or right? I think both are philosophies work with different teams to be right. It just depends on how you. Perceive it. Yeah. Exactly. And like, obviously, we're not we're we're going to disagree with each other. We're not saying one of our plus visas wrong, the other ones, right? We're just gonna go with her own exception. Seems have that different falsify? We know teams will drift based on need. We know teams will bay draft based on what I said, right? Like they'll draft. I'm just always the best player available. I just am. Because I think when you start trying to I think when you start trying to team build around now, if you're look there's exceptions, right? If you're the Golden State Warriors, and let's say, let's DeMarcus cousins, isn't there. Right. And they're they're like, oh, we'll center is the only position where we don't have all star. Maybe I drafted also. Because all ready have such a good team that it does. But yeah in the NFL is just one of those leagues where the talent is so close all the time. I just wanna keep finding the little little bit extra talent every pick. Right. Even if it means, I'm you know, like you said what I disagree with you. Before was kind of what you was was kind of a best player Ville, bore you meant when you said the Jaguars. They should go get greedy Williams or you thought maybe they could get, greedy Williams. And I said there have hill quarterbacks. Why would they do that? But at that moment, you were like that might be the best player available. They would just have three stud corners, and that would just only boost the like, yeah, we both go back and forth on this. But I think the main flaw Sophy is like what does the team think they need the most? And who who's the best available player in that position? I think that's what mainly looked at. But I could be totally wrong. And could be what you say. Like, whoever just the best regardless of position. That's why I think Bose's projected number one overall people say he's the best at that position. That makes him the best player building the trap because that's highly touted edge rushing is like the top. Thing about this draft is the edge rusher defensive tackle defensive position, regardless. So that's why he's touted to go. I I slow my doubts about both to be honest with you him and his brother have injury concerns to me. Major injury concerns to me. So I don't know what the cardinals will do. And honestly like the forty Niners traff right after on the second pick that's going back and forth as well. It used to be just Joshua now. It's Williams downs. Josh Allen Williams because back in that aspect and for the Niners. They need an edge rusher they needed defensive tackle. So they're they're just getting lucky in this whole job situation because they're going with what they need. The most is the best available player in that position. So they're getting both of our options. Basically both of our philosophies when it comes to drafting, so but the cardinals I think are in the most. Tight spot. Just do this whole talk about column ary, I think they're in a very. I don't think anyone knows who they're really good at draft. Yeah. No one. So I like I like when we really don't know who the first overall pick is a hate the fact that we sometimes know who guaranteed is the first overall pick like sometimes, you just know like Andrew luck or something like that. But this year like in last year last year as well. Remember? Baker Mayfield wasn't supposed to go first. And we got paid. I was like, oh, really? I liked that. I like that feeling of. Oh, that's that's I didn't expect that. That's nice. That's nice surprise, which I'm expect. I could expect that this season. And I'm predicting right now, I could be totally wrong. But I just have this feeling Joe Nick Bosa will not be drafted number one overall. Yeah. I don't think. So either. I understand why people are considering because his brother and just a legacy of that family and he had a good season with Ohio State before he's played great with hostile in the past. But this injury and him quitting on Ohio State game me concerns right away. I don't think that will be. I don't think any of that will be a problem. But I don't think he'll get pick number one. Just because I think. I think there's a good chance that the cardinals draft someone Cairo Murray. And I also think there's a good chance that they could just draft go Josh Allen. Like for me. I think Bosa still is probably has the highest odds of being pick number one. But I'd say there's like a forty percent chance. He's pick number one. Whereas like all the other options make up the other sixty percent that makes if that makes sense. So it's not like an a and B boycott ABCD heavy in de equal sixty percent. So I still think boasts likely favorite. But I would I would be against him being picked. Yeah. And it's just this is a serious. This got enough question marks until the day of the draft. So we really do know what's really going to go on. But it's still like obviously free agency also happens before then. So that if the cardinals make some Yousef regency those moves will dignify where they're going to go in the drought. So it all comes down to have free agency goes awful. Yes. All right. So wish take a break for sure we're over deal and come back with about Damaris Thomas. 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Expected to release a we'll see how that all goes. But regardless it's a big bummer for him. He was traded there to put them into a better position for the playoffs. But he got injured a week sixteen before the playoffs began. So he never got that opportunity. But. It's a shame to see all that. It's a shame to see how that all unfortunately, going, so hopefully, he I hope for the best of him. And I hope he finds a good team to go to. But it seems like his cruise at the end of it is at its last legs. He's turning thirty one. It makes financial sense. Just because of the fact that if the Texans were to keep them they'd own fourteen million if they release them they own not a single dime. He doesn't have any guaranteed money left on his deal here. He received all the guaranteed money, which is forty million out of seventy. So he is been paid handsomely. But he will probably not see the last fourteen million of that because of that devastating. Achilles injury at the end of the season, the timing very unfortunate too. As that injury usually takes about a year to recover from. And we knows near the end of the season. It's possibly my misinter- season, man. Yeah. It's a shame really. Because he's always been such an impactful player he made Tim Tibo mastermind, you know, during the whole Tibo era. Remember that member Scott do touchdown against the Steelers. And I don't understand why people gave Tibo so much credit for that. That was like five yard slant. And to Mary Thomas ran eighty yards. That's just how I felt about it. I'm like diminished Thomas did all the work. And so with that I say. I always had respect in Mary's. Mary's Thomas was a great player fantasy football wise as well. And so I hope he finds a team. I think he'll be a good role a role model a mentor for other teams and that situation. So I think he can find a place just not in as a number one two three receiver. I think as more of a mentor. Yes. So unfortunate for him. He's probably going to be a free agent. Maybe he'll get signed. Sometimes teams will sign players on the rehabbing put them through their rehab process. And all that. But I don't know. We'll see what happens. Yeah. We always for the best tool. What was the prospect? He wanted to talk about. Yes. So. There is a. Defensive lineman. In fact, Todd mcshay has this I'm going seventh to the Jaguars and his latest mock draft we're talking about the Jaguars of what they might seem to do Jeffrey Simmons defensive I'm for Mississippi State, definitely one of the top twelve prospects on most big boards. He suffers what is likely tornado CEO while he was training for the combine. So that's obviously devastating news for him. As this likely puts him out of the first round. I would say a second third rounder. Maybe a team will probably pick him stash him for a year. But yeah, that's really unfortunate. Because we know that there's a big difference in NFL contract for Ricky's when you're first round pick. Then when you're not so it's in the millions how much chance and a year less the fifth year for rookie is oftentimes a the biggest financial gain of their career in you don't receive that. When you are a non first rounder. So unfortunately for Jeffrey Simmons, they are hoping the news is good. But it doesn't sound promising. I wanna talk about Antonio Brown. Yeah. Antonio Brown's been found guilty of reckless driving. He was cited for driving over one hundred miles an hour is just happen. No. Well, he was just found guilty because he failed to appear and oh welcome back down that kind of does it. Yeah. You can do that. But you just are obviously admitting that you're guilty. If you do that. So he did not appear he's found guilty of reckless driving. I don't know if it's big news dolphin, obviously, isn't helping his. Off the field case lately in terms of maybe him possible. Maybe it's weird. Blond moustache. She's got. Maybe it is have you seen that? It looks weird rights on just me that looks weird. Yes. It does. Oh my God. I didn't even notice it anyways. Yes. Not showing up really doesn't help your case. But I still think someone's going to treat a lot for my filter. That's still he's still gonna be trade prospect winning to trade him. I don't see him getting suspi. I think suspension will be one to two gangs. I don't see it being very heavy as mythic violence issue. He was not arrested for so, and there's nobody will evidence at the that we have seen. So it's still unknown. What how that's going to go down. But if it's just this reckless driving thing if anything think suspended for one game, maybe two. The already think fine everything just fine. I don't think he's gonna get suspended for this. But I we never know these stardom stances, but I'm assuming at least a fine. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Probably anyways. Vinny curry who was signed a big free agent signing for the bucks after he helped the eagles when the Super Bowl defensive in. He's been after one season he signed a three year twenty five million dollar contract. Bruce Arians first big move as head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So we might expect to see more moves like that. We don't know about the Sean Jackson's future as he's still on the books, but we have heard him say he might want to leave actually areas wants him to stay rising perfect in that offense. I don't think Arians loved the depot and who throws depot that's a that. Is a James Winston as well as John Jackson loves run deep. So areas was probably trumping the bid for that. So I think that this is a perfect situation for him. But if he does leave I don't see him getting a lot of looks to be honest with you. Yeah. For sure anyways, that's our show. Yes, things joining us everyone in Tunis in. We have this Thursday to regain some of the things I've all the football. 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Rest of The West #4: Raiders Week!

Bolts from the Blue

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Rest of The West #4: Raiders Week!

"Everybody in wealth to another episode of the west. I am one of your, does Matthew Stanley at fan, Denver on Twitter and join me once again is Michael Peterson, Michael Houser weekend. We can was actually a ton of fun. I ended up working a little more than I wanted to, but just watch the game to have good time, joy myself. It was good Matthew. How was yours? Miners get to. Obviously, now that I'm in Denver had to pick one Denver sports team to follow. So I chose the Rockies and the Rockies have been killing it this week. They won the wildcard game in Chicago, and then they lost night's game in the first game of LDS. But you know, I'm excited to have them in the playoffs. I've got tickets to their game or games here in Denver, and I'm looking forward to that. But we are here to talk about football. So we will start with the Broncos and chiefs game is played each other this week, and Michael Wenjie go leaves off on that one. So this game was actually to me, it ended up being a much better game to watch than probably a lot of people expected. The Broncos haven't been that good this year. I know case keenum hasn't been the quarterback that they, they hoped he'd be and the chiefs have been amazing. But the Broncos actually did a really good job sticking with the chiefs, their offense look good. They took advantage of a lot of the chiefs weaknesses on defense and really kept it close game really until the very end. But Mahomes man, he just kept doing a lot of people kept saying, you know, he hasn't played anybody. Wait until he plays a good defense on hostile environment. Prime time, people just kept making those excuses for him. You know, like don't jump on the Mahomes bandwagon right away like he still has to do some things from to get. You know, the final bit of respect and he finally did those things. I mean, he didn't throw. You know, a ton of touchdowns only had one touchdown pass in this game did rush for a touchdown. So if anything that just shows you? Yes, he is a good quarterback that you know if he's unable to get done with his arm than he can still make it, you know, inflicts pain on with his legs and hurt you some other way. So Mahomes looked amazing. There was a left handed pass in there at one point to convert. I think it was a third or fourth down kind of clutch clutch play. I mean. Rolling to his left. He's right handed and then flip the ball to his left hand, and then shot put it to tyreek hill who was about a yard short of the first down. But it was just perfect enough. Tyreek was able to catch it. Scamper the one yard over get the first down, get abounds. And it was real quick, but Manny was just as perfect. And at the end of the game case, keenum overshot Damaris Thomas for a touchdown that could've I think, I think would have ended up tying or winning it, but he missed it. Ended up not completing any other passes went onto lose, and it was actually really, really, really interesting game one that you're just begging the Broncos to give the chiefs their first loss. And you know, no matter who won it was still going to affect, you know, are standing. We were still going to fall behind by a game or something like that, but. Overall great, great game Sanley again, you being in Denver woes kinda like where you were watching this game. So I watch this game at home with my wife my way for those of you who don't know, my wife is a Broncos fan, so I was watching the game with her and it was a really good game. I mean, it was. It was like you said it was super close the hallway through. They were still tied thirteen thirteen in the third quarter, and then the Broncos are pull away and going into the fourth quarter actually like with like eleven minutes left in the fourth quarter. The Broncos were still up twenty three to thirteen eight at ten point lead. And like you said, I mean, Patrick Mahomes. We've set it on the show a couple times, but he just looks so calm out there so collected. He looks like he's got more experience than this being his fifth start in the NFL. And yeah, he just play that you were talking about where he threw with his left hand. He was rolling out and not only was he able to keep his eyes down field, find tyreek hill at the sticks. Shove the ball to his left hand in shop, put it over, but he was being actively tackled while he did this. He wasn't just, you know, running and couldn't couldn't set his feet. He was being tackled to the ground when he did it, and it was just it was really a really something to behold and yeah, like you said, right right there. At the end of the game case keenum had emerged Thomas. He had him wide open, various, ran a great route and. Did you see the the replay win. Thomas came off the ball. He actually when he was working around the corner back to the outside, he wasn't running full speed. For some reason, if you watch it, he kind of took the of pedal, took his foot off the pedal for a second. And then you can see the ocean moments where he realized she was getting the ball, and then he sped up and it was just outside, but I washed us over and over and over again. So input a clip of it on Twitter in. Yeah, like he didn't run it full speed. It was a good route. Don't get me wrong. But as he came around when he turned his head towards the ball, he wasn't going full speed. You see the moment where he, you know, pedal to the metal tries to catch up to it in that was killer. I mean, who's fall really it is, I don't know, but it was both parties. Yeah, it just it wasn't really a clean second half by the Broncos. I would say that the first half was really, I mean, they they basically what I, what I. Other teams are going to take away from this game is a pretty good defensive game plan on how to stifle this chiefs offense a little bit because going into this game, the chiefs offense was averaging like thirty nine point, two points per game. And usually the final score, they only score twenty seven in this game and Mahomes only threw one touchdown. So they had a really effective game plan. They pressured him a lot. They sent a lot of guys awaat against him, kinda got him stifled a little bit. He he only completed twenty eight of his forty five asses. So it was statistically his worst start of the year so far, but still no interceptions for Patrick Holmes. He looks after the ball, Travis, Kelsey bailed him out a lot. He was, you know, he was their leading receiver seventy yards on seven receptions. And yeah, I mean the the chiefs, they just continue to show that while they have some weaknesses on defense, you can't contain them for the entire game. Patrick Mahomes. Is a really good quarterback already and playing beyond his years and both of these teams. I mean, the charters Broncos are both now at two and two, but both of these teams are very good, and this is going to be a tight race in the AFC west this year, a lot tighter than I expected just looking on paper going into the season. No, yeah, you're right. Going back in hopefully teams can this films which of the chargers along time until they face Kansas City. Again, I believe it's the last game of the regular season at least one of the last games this year, but one of the things that pops out to me as well on the statute sheet is that tyreek hill caught nine passes, but it was only for fifty four yards. So he averaged six yards a catch. His longest catch was for fifteen, and he actually led the lead the team and targets thirteen. We caught most of those. But again, this is a guy who pretty much you could flip a coin about whether or not he's going to take a pass or something to the house. He's that explosive, and you already did the chargers. We've seen what he's done to the Steelers several teams so far this season, but nine for fifty four. I mean, that's if you're going to hang your hat on anything as defense, stopping Patrick Mahomes throwing touchdowns. Yeah, that's one of them, but tyreek hill who's known for taking the ball to the house all the time. Nine fifty four. I think that's huge. And I think that's something that a. Teams need to go wash film on, honestly, it seems like they did something right? Definitely. Yeah. The forcing him on those four seem to run shorter routes. Like I said, they, they pressured Patrick Mahomes a lot. So he had to get the ball out quickly. I mean, this chiefs offense of line isn't a great offensive line. This is an offensive line that you can generate a pass rush against. If you have enough guys can rush the passer, the charges had a hard time with it because they kind of have Melvin Ingram who's who's regressed a little bit this year, not having Joey Bosa across from him. I'm not saying the Melvin Ingram has been bad this year. He just obviously he's not putting up the sack numbers that he put up when when Joey was across the field from him, and then with Joey, not there. I mean the most effective passer, the chargers have had this year is there when James at safety and he's been really good, but you can't Blitzer when James single play. So when when the chargers are playing the chiefs later on in the year, hopefully Joey Bosa will be back and the chargers will be able to kind of follow this game plan like. We said and just pressure the hell out of Patrick Mahomes and let your corners and you know, take care of things on the back end very much. Right. So we've been talking mostly about the chiefs up to this point. We haven't talked of his Broncos a little bit and we haven't played the Broncos yet. This year chargers have yet. I don't know. Do you know which week of the top of your head? We face the Broncos with. I wanna say it's like week, eleven? Isn't that. I'm pulling up right now because I know they play the by week eight, and then they played the raiders coming back off the bye November eighteenth, the charters, it's at home against the Broncos. So plenty time. Okay. Time to worry about the Broncos just pulling up some of the game stats right now. Let's see. So case keenum I feel like a broken record every time we talk about the Broncos in case keenum and say, he ain't it almost every week and one more week has passed and he still ain't it twenty one of thirty three, two hundred and forty five yards. One interception no passing touchdowns. He is killing the Broncos offense. And again, this is an offense that towards the entire NFL with their pass catchers, and they have a handful, those pass catcher still in Emmanuel Sanders and Mary Thomas. They have Cortlandt Sutton. They have to really good rookies at running back with Philip Lindsay and Royce Freeman, and they're not getting almost any production out of their quarterback position. And I mean, it's almost scary to think that case keenum can somehow find has formed from last year when he's with the the Vikings. A lot of people wanna say, Pat Shurmur being OC with the Vikings was a big part of. Giving case, keenum confidence and putting minute system where he's able to flourish. It's easy from understand, etc, etc. In its looking more more more like that's the case that keenum was just a system quarterback, almost the definition of it. If you look at the teams, he's been with up to this point before he was with Vikings and now three passing touchdowns on the year. That's it. It's but luckily the got Lindsay and Freeman. So I mean, what do you think case kimes it? But if you if you really think about if he can just start throwing one or two touchdowns a game getting to some sort of a level of consistency. That's the Broncos could have a pretty good offense. What do you think? I think you're right. I think that case keenum performance is basically the only thing holding Broncos teams back. They've got really good, two headed monster in the backfield. I mean a Philip Lenzi Royce Freeman combined for one hundred thirty eight yards. Rushing and two touchdowns this week on only twenty carries and they've got, they've still got a great defense even with with Wade, Philip. Leaving and losing a keep to leave. Their defense is still is still clicking and there they showed their defense. I mean, they're the only defense that's been able to hold this chiefs offense under almost almost under forty points this year, and they held him under thirty points. So. I think you're right. I mean, case keenum he needs to. He hasn't been as advertised so far and they've got to figure something out for him. I don't know if if it's like a timing thing that they, they need to work out some some better place for him to get into a groove and start building offense up. Their offense of line isn't great, but it hasn't been bad like it's not like he's running for his life all the time. I mean, the. The chiefs have decent pass rushers with the Ford in just in Houston, and it looks like they got off four sacks. And I remember specifically two of those were coverage sack. So I mean, case keenum just I don't know what's going on, but he they need to find a way to get him into a groove if they want to be in this race for the AFC west, though. You're definitely right. It's frustrating. It's got to be frustrating for Broncos fans. I don't know how your wife feels watching. I know I've got a couple of buddies that our Broncos fans, it's probably super, super frustrating, especially it seemed like there was a lot of height and a lot of excitement and hope with the case keenum signing like, you know, they muffed it with Paxton Lynch. Chad, Kelly hasn't been, you know, the work in progress like they thought he was going to be. They just haven't been able to figure it out. Trevor siemian even Trevor simian started two hundred seventeen much better than case keenum is and everyone thought Trevor simian was just the poorest up quarterback starting quarterback that boss we have, but he was actually killing it this time last year. So. So gotta be frustrating for Broncos fans. Let's just hope again that they don't. They don't turn that switch until after the chargers play them. Because with the way the the secondary we were just talking about, and I think in our group chat recently, someone put up a tweet about how bad the the charter secondary was doing. So that's a whole another story. Let's just hope they don't turn that switch and start being an issue that way. Let's go onto the raiders versus the Browns game. We'll talk about the raiders kinda tie this together because the chargers do play the raiders this week. The raiders are one and three. They got their first one of the season, a forty, five forty, two overtime victory over the Cleveland Browns, and they barely won this one. It we're being honest. I think Baker Mayfield had three turnovers in the second half. I think it was two interceptions in a fumble or one interception in two foam bowls. I know he struggling to to take care of the ball, but they barely squeak this one out. Out. So I believe you watched a little more of this game than I did. So let's hear your thoughts start this out yet this they were gifted this win. Basically it took Baker Mayfield, you know, playing like a rookie quarterback in the second half of the game for them to win this game in. And it was actually, we complained a couple times this year about bad officiating. And this was probably one of the worst officiated games in the league. This season, there was bad calls on both sides. There was one that benefited the raiders near the end of the game. That was just it was really bad. I think it if I remember right it was. There was a pretty obvious fumble by the raiders, but the refs had to quickly called forward progress and it negated the turnover and that would have avoided overtime. So, yeah. The raiders are still not a good team. It. Beating Brown team is nothing to write home about, and they were basically gifted this win. So we dig in a little bit more into the stats. The raiders defense gave up a ton of yards on the ground. Nick. Chubb had three carries for one hundred and five yards and two touchdowns basically almost every single time he does the ball. It was touchdown for like a millionaires and then Carlos Hyde who had the lion's share that carries had twenty carries for eighty two yards and a touchdown. So I mean, the the, the Browns were able to put up over two hundred yards of rushing on the ground in less than thirty carries so. It wasn't a good day for the for the Browns. I mean for the raiders on defense now they did put up a ton of yards on offense. This Browns defense is actually pretty good, and so it's a little concerning seeing how well the raiders were able to move the ball. Dare car had fifty eight pass temps for thirty five completions, and that netted him four hundred thirty seven yards and four touchdowns. Now he did two interceptions again and you know that that's definitely something to keep in mind is Derek, Carr is he's playing pretty radically this year. He is it making the best decisions at times. And so you know, he's basically he's come way back down to earth. I know there was a lot of hype about Derek Carr over the past couple of seasons, and he's playing. He's you know if it wasn't for case keenum. Stinking dare card the worst quarterback in this division, but he is a very close. Third again, we had marshawn Lynch running. The ball, like a madman. He had twenty carries for one hundred thirty yards. He didn't get in the end zone, but one of the things that we'll talk about this a little more when we get into the previous action. But I think the key to beating this raiders team when the chart when the raiders have the ball is do everything. You can to stop marshawn Lynch and forced air car to try and beat you because I don't think he can so obviously with him throwing for half a million yards. Mark Hooper had a great game. He had eight catches on twelve targets for twenty years touchdown. Once again, Jared cook their their tight end had one hundred ten yards. I think this is his third hundred yard receiving game since the season out of the four. So he's just tearing it up. He's destroying defense is right now any added two touchdowns on that as well. And this is really the first game where Martavis Bryant got got in the mix for them. He had seven targets. So he was definitely in the game plan, but only down three catches and still it. Fifty one yards. So this offense moved the ball really. Well. I'm especially compared to the first couple of weeks and this is not. I mean, it is the Browns, but this is not a, you know, this is not a bad defensive. They've assembled a really good young fast, talented defense, I agree. So it's tough to take or figure out what the silver linings from this game are the raiders his his numbers are inflated their cars numbers most because his defense has been letting them down, said Chiba for a while. So he threw it fifty eight times. That's obviously not a normal thing that's not anywhere near as average so stuff. He second in the league, I believe in passing yards. His got a good amount of cast stones as well, but you're right when you're saying he's playing Radic as yes, thrown his fair share of interceptions as well. And I think you're right in terms of the game plan in terms of the chargers gotta attack this team, it's stop Lynch and. And maybe last year earlier this season before started, I'd be. I'd be fairly worried knowing how Lynch has been playing because he's been playing fairly well us. I'm not gonna say he's the old amazing beast mobile that do can still run it between the tackles. He'll still run through your face over and over and over again. Like he's still that guy. He still plays with that mindset, but the chargers rushing defense has stepped up quite a bit. I don't have the stats off the top of my head, but I mean leaving. A limiting cream hunts. He finally had his breakout game, didn't have that great game against the chargers this past week. The charges facing the forty Niners and Matt Braida who at the time was a leading the NFL in rushing yards limited him too. Although we only had nine carries through thirty nine total yards still not nearly as efficient. He was averaging he was the only one averaging more yards per carry than Austin. I believe it was in the high aids eight point, seven, six, something like that. So again to hold Matt Braida to again thirty nine yards on nine carries. It's not too bad whatsoever. So, yeah, going in stop Lynch, and I think that's possible. I really, really think that's possible. We'll see what Cory Luda does in his return. People are kind of acting like all of a sudden, he's the second coming of Aaron Donald, like the, you know, the whole offensive line for. Oakland's kind of on the injury report right now. So there's some potential for something there and we'll see, we'll see. I think the the interior defensive lines kind of what's the word I'm looking for bonded like Emily, cohesive, but they've just got more and more cohesive the bonds there, an even plane very, very well. And then when it comes to Cooper and cook, again, the two guys, both caught a passes this past game for one twenty eight one for Cooper cook another one hundred yard game. It's gonna be tests like we just talked about. I mentioned earlier, the three defensive backs, Casey Hayward over Williams and Desmond king have not had a good outing thus far. And although there is no pass rush to really help them. It's still a little uneasy to see what we read earlier was all three of them are. Allowing a pass rating of triple digits, which is not good whatsoever. For you know, the quote, unquote electric fence that they were deemed to begin the season. It's just not good. Absolutely. What so ever with cook, we don't have Kaiser white. The charges are missing their rookie linebacker. Fourth round pick who was on been killing it since he has been starting this year besides German James, he was kind of the second rookie to really make a splash so far in these first four games. I guess I three because he didn't play this weekend. We'll be without him. So it's gonna be really interesting to see what these matchups are, how they're gonna, stop jerk. Cook is honestly beyond me right now as I think it comes down to to Getafe as Brown. I don't think Denzil Param is gonna be on him in China. I don't think so. It's going to be interesting. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of Derwin on Jerry cook this week in just a couple. I was just calling the defensive players for the raiders who actually did something. Jonathan Hakin had two fumble recoveries, so it's not too shabby. And then MAURICE Hurst MAURICE Hurst might be already the best defensive player actually on the raiders. He had another sack another tackle for loss and a pass deflected from the tackle position. I think this one guy to look out for he was super disruptive in college. He's a guy I talk about a lot of people were fans of prior to the draft and look into how Dan Feeney's kinda had a rough start the season, Michael Scofield now playing the absolute best at his position either that's gonna be one match to wash specifically, come gametime yet. So speaking of, you know, you named a bunch of the starters for the raiders in IB remiss if we didn't mention the final injury ports are not yet. We'll give those guys on our Saturday show. But the raiders are extremely banged up right now. So let me run through their injury report thus far this week. So Amari Cooper, obviously their number one target in the receiving game. He has a foot injury. He was limited both Wednesday and Thursday. So we don't know if he's going to practice on Friday or not, or is that is for the game, but he's banged up. He's obviously not a hundred percent. Their starting center. Rodney Hudson has an ankle injury. He was limited Wednesday and Thursday. MAURICE Hurst. You just mentioned who you played sixty percent of their defensive snaps at detangle this week. He has a shoulder injury and was limited Wednesday and Thursday. Bruce Irvin who's really their only pass rusher now that they traded away mad Khalil Mack, Bruce Irvin he hurt his knee apparently in yesterday's practice because he was added to today's injury report. Any was only limited today gave Jackson who's their starting guard as a pictorial injury. He was limited yesterday today. Karl Joseph. Didn't practice either day this week. Our Sean Lynch who I just said is one of the keys of the game to stopping. He didn't play when he didn't practice Wednesday at all, and was limited today Holton Miller, their rookie starting left tackle was limited yesterday today and Alexia simulate their other starting guard as a knee injury and didn't practice yesterday or today. So that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Eight of their starters have been either limited or not practicing this week, and that will be huge for the chargers. I mean, the charges are a little banged up to, like you mentioned, Qazir whites out, Joey Bosa obviously still out update on Travis Benjamin for those of you who don't know. He has a cast on his foot as practice this week in his apparently supposed to be two to three weeks. You know, whatever. Good news, Joe Barksdale and Russell Kun were both back limited today. I'm pretty sure Anthony. Lynn said he doesn't expect either of them to be available on Sunday, but it's a good sign that they're practicing. It'll be good to have them back. But yeah, I mean, the the raiders were only rolling into week five and they are already the walking wounded over there in Oakland, definitely rights and just above. One of the we mentioned on the charters injury report that was a Travis Benjamin being out for, I think you said it was two, three, four weeks like that yet to three weeks is everything that I saw. Okay. And that's an honestly a good thing to wanna wish injuries on people, but it was kind of a night and day difference between win Travis. Benjamin was utilized in the offense of game plan against the Niners and win. He wasn't available against the Rams the week before all of a sudden the Mike will you know, train of. Popping off for awesome. Touchdowns get targets all that stuff that really came to an end. The second that Trump's Benjamin came back to playing some sort of a role. So honestly, Travis Benjamin good receiver. He's done plenty for the chargers. He's been hurt quite a bit lately. But as of right now, I don't think the chargers need him. And I think if anything he is keeping a targets way from Mike Williams and kind of limiting this offense going forward because I think when he's on the field, the office code staffer, some reason feels the need to fit him in somehow and especially watching the chiefs, the Rams, all these people utilize their speed players with terms of motions and other things such as that, you know, to distract whatever get them looking the wrong way. They've been trying to do that with Benjamin on these orbit motions, jet motions these sweeps, and it just does not seem to be working. I don't know why it isn't because it looks like. It's trying to be the same thing, but it's just not getting done. And I think if anything, the presence of Benjamin is limiting the chargers offense. So hope it gets better. But I think this might spell good things for the chargers offense, at least in these two to three weeks that he is not in the plan agree with all that. And you know, we'll, we'll go more in depth on the show that we put out for Saturday for this matchup. But yeah, everything you said is true that you know it's probably gonna be addition by subtraction with Travis Benjamin out of this lineup, and you know, get the chargers getting Mike Wilmore involved. Continuing to let him flourish. Continuing to let that relationship with rivers develop and just, you know, putting the better players on the field in all honesty. So yeah, I think where we're at in the AFC west, I mean the cheeser out in front at four. No, the Broncos are in second place at two and two because they have that division win. They also division loss, but that you have one division win and the charter just behind them still tied at two, two, but the only have a division loss since this will be the second division games weekend, and then the raiders pulling up the rear at one and three with. One soon to be to division losses. So, yeah, I think the AFC west is shaping up after this first quarter is shaping up to be. Pretty competitive, and it's gonna be a good race going through the season between the chiefs Broncos and charters. Yeah, I fully agree. I'm excited for this week's matchup was kind of funny to see some of the things positive on social media, and I didn't know this was a rule that apparently they implemented into a nine, but they don't sell beer after halftime of the chargers. Raiders games, Juno that, Yep, no, no, no beer after halftime. And each time you go to the session stand, you can only purchase one, alcohol drink per person. You can't have to to bring back to your seats. So, and this is apparently apparently is not a new rule. Apparently they did this even back when they were Qualcomm. The fast couple years is because raiders fans of gotten so shitty and been so unruly that the charges are basically doing whatever they can to limit that. And the other crappy thing that I don't know if you saw this today, but the chargers and this is, you know, this is both sad and crappy, but the chargers had to hype in crowd noise. At practice this week to simulate a loud crowd in preparation for a quote, unquote home game at stubhub. So that's the state of things. I mean, we've all seen the pictures about how other fans other teams fans have been rolling in deep at stubhub and basically taken the place over there. They're expecting possibly their worst example of that this weekend with with the raiders because I mean, I, if we're honest, LA is still vastly a raiders town, and so it's not a stretch to have that many of them there and it's it could get way out of hand. You're speaking the truth. I, you know, remember what the crowd lie against the forty Niners and the whole thing was read. It was read as hell, and it's going to be black, very, very black, come this Sunday. So I don't think it's a bad idea. Just on a side note. I actually personally think it's, I feel more confidence, but it this way when the chargers go to away games when they play away games because I think there's something about playing in front of that normal size crowd. In general, not just even if it's a way that might be more comforting in more, I guess in a way normal instead of playing in his home field. I just like obviously there's no home field advantage either way, whether it's a big crowd or not. The crowd's been the opposite at charters, home games even when they were back the last two years in Qualcomm. So I almost think it's better for them just to play in a big crowd in general and plan stop of even if filled with their fans. But maybe that's just me. I might be weird about that, but you're right. It's going to be a lot of black Friday, Saturday, Sunday days. What. Yeah. So I think that about does it you have any other random if see, Wests thoughts before we get out of here? Man. I just have a feeling this game. We'll preview it on Saturday. I just feel like the game's gonna be closer than we like it to be the same way. I think I said about the niner's game, what charges come to play? It shouldn't be. The raiders. There's just no way there can be a loss handed to us by Jon Gruden, enter everything. He's done. Just start saying your prayers right now. So real quick. I just remembered something so we will get. We'll definitely get more into this in our next show, but give me your, let's say, one sentence instant reaction to the chargers dropping drew Kaser instead of ill of Sturgis this week. What? What is your just real quick initial thought synergy over strategy? I've, yeah, I think that nails it. I think that's the perfect way to put that. We know why we know exactly why they're doing it. They even said it that when they worked out Donnie Jones and chipanga that Donnie Jones quote unquote pop, or like stood out. And you know, I think there is to be said something there's something to be said using about that kind of relationship. The trust. I don't think it's it can be understated, but he still thirty eight years old. I didn't realize that punter kickers can be old as hell. But like I've been upon her and there are times where I feel like I pull something when I start kicking really hard again after, you know, not hunting for a while. So we'll see how he does. I hope you still got a leg on him. I know guys like Viteri people like them still rip it at their age, but we'll just see, hopefully this just fix it because you know as stupid as may sound right now, if all of a sudden is just. You know, gunning field goals down, he's just nailing kid after kid. It's gonna look like the greatest move. So I'm gonna be reserve right now in just say, let's just see what happens and the results will speak for themselves yet. I mean, like you said about the relationship it it is not to be understated. I mean the, it's kind of like how the team was able to just bring in Antonio gates on zero practice and throw him into a game because he in Philip been doing it for so long. Caleb Sturgis. And I mean, I mean he was he was gives her his holder in in Philadelphia, and obviously like the goal is the punt as little as possibles you're keeping him off the field. But he also even though he's that old e didn't spend the summer kicking as he was basically retired. So he he, he wasn't kicking over the summer. He was a, I think if you read the charters article about it, he was at Home Depot or something when he got the call from them like getting ready to do some like dad chores. So, yeah, he. Hopefully he's fresh as fresh as you can be thirty eight years old and come in, and you know, not suck at putting and improve this kicking because, like you said, if it works out, they look like geniuses. But if they've done this and Caleb Sturgis comes in and he's still shanking aunts. And I mean shaking Hicks and and missing extra points. They're gonna have a lot to answer for deciding to keep Caleb surges in cut a drew Kaser nitric as was doing crappy this year already and it. You know, he regrets from last year. He had that, you know that locked punt the end zone that was mostly his fault along with a special ordinaire. But yeah, it was on paper. This move makes sense. And I hope it works out that way. But yeah, that about does it for this evening. 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Peter King (trading deadline), and Joe Thomas and Chris Spielman (Browns) on the news of the week.

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Peter King (trading deadline), and Joe Thomas and Chris Spielman (Browns) on the news of the week.

"Welcome to the Peter King podcasts a place where you can find out a lot about the NFL and a little bit about life. So we're going to have a special podcast this week with the trading deadline being Tuesday, October thirty and with this podcast dropping Wednesday, October thirty one let's give you a real Halloween treat. Let's breakdown everything about the trading deadline. So what I'm gonna do is. I'm going to break down part of the trading deadline at the beginning of the podcast. And then this is called the tease in this business. I'm gonna break down the rest of the podcast after my two conversations with noted Cleveland Browns experts. So let's tell you exactly what we've got in store other than the breakdown of all five trades in the last three hour. Hours of the trading deadline in two thousand eighteen we're gonna talk to Joe Thomas, the likely future hall of fame left tackle, the Cleveland Browns to talk to them about up evil in Brown's land Thomas now one of the co hosts of the Tomahawk show by uninterrupted a podcast. He does with Andrew Hawkins also a former Brown and also happy to be joined by Chris Spielman of voice in the NFL that I have always respected. He does a talk show for Fox Sports radio and Columbus, Ohio. And of course, you see him as an analyst for FOX television doing Sunday NFL games. But I I'm going to go over a couple of my impressions from the trading deadline which happened this week on Tuesday. And first of all I want to go over just a little bit about why the trading deadline right now has become more significant than it has been in the past in two thousand twelve the NFL passed a ruling that said we're gonna move the trading deadline from at the Tuesday after week six to the Tuesday after week eight so we've just finished week eight. And the reason why this is so significant is this. So the Denver Broncos were three and four after seven weeks, and they were teetering on the edge of wandering what they should do after just beating the tar out of the Arizona Cardinals in week seven. So I think John Elway GM the Broncos is thinking, well, listen, if we can go to Kansas City on Sunday and beat the Kansas City Chiefs, somehow some way, we're going. To be in. This thing will be at five hundred with a games left, and we're going for it. But obviously they lost at Kansas City sitting at three and five they decided that listen we are better off playing for the future than for the present. And so they decided to trade to marry his Thomas to the Houston Texans. They get two thousand nineteen fourth round pick. And then the two teams will swap out seventh round picks, which is a way to try to equalize the trade, but it's always fairly meaningless. But I think the point there was made two weeks ago. This trade probably would not have been made first of all Houston would not have needed Demeri as Thomas after week six because will fuller the promising wide receiver would not have gone down with a knee injury by then, but he goes down with a knee injury on Thursday and. Week eight and all of a sudden Bill O'Brien Brian gain the general manager of the Texans. They say let's go try to find us a wide receiver. So a it helps moving the trade deadline bag be. I also think it really helps the fact that NFL teams can now trade draft choices that are going to be given to them as compensatory picks for years. The NFL did not allow teams to trade compensatory picks. And if you look at the trades that happened there were ten altogether in October that NFL teams that it's not teams trading a compensatory picks. But it's teams understanding that if we have the luxury of having extra picks we're going to be able to be freer to trade those picks. And if there comes a time where we have to trade compensatory picks were okay. Okay with that. But I think the freedom to know that you're able to do that gives teams like even though New England didn't do it this year. Oh, they will do it. Because Bill Belichick never met a trade. He didn't like he's like the modern Jimmy Johnson. He loves making deals, and I believe the patriots tried hard. Whether it'd be for a pass rusher a corner a wide receiver. I think they they really looked hard around the league. Whether it'd be a pass rusher with Shane Ray or Dante Fowler junior. Or cornerback generous Jenkins with the giants are even Damaris Thomas. You know, obviously got got moved to Houston, Josh mcdaniels the offensive coordinator, very familiar Damari Thomas from his days in Denver. But I think the point that needs to be made here is that teams. I think are much more aggressive. Than they have been in the past the final point. I will say is that I think that one of the reasons why teams have been very very aggressive is that general managers are much more aggressive. I want you to look at one of the teams that was involved in two of the trades in the last week or so and that's Bob Quinn. The aggressive general manager of the Detroit Lions first of all he traded a fifth round pick in two thousand nineteen to the giants and picked up Damon Harrison snacks Harrison, the excellent run stuffing defensive tackle. And he already paid dividends against Seattle on Sunday. And then again on Tuesday of this week, a trade that I think the eagles really got the better of the eagles traded a third round pick in two thousand nineteen for golden Tate. I am a big big. Golden Tate, backer. I think Philadelphia will get a lot of production out of him. But anyway, the point is Bob Quinn lions general manager, he likes making trades. Howie Roseman of the eagles likes making trades. Brian Gouda Kunst of the Green Bay Packers. He likes making trades traded time on Gumri and ha ha Clinton Dix on Tuesday. I guess my point overall is that I think that the game in the last few years has become more of a what have you done for me? Lately. Let's win this year kind of game. General managers are not the arch conservative right-wingers that they were ten fifteen twenty years ago. When I first started covering the game. Nobody traded at the deadline, and they were very rarely any good trades. And now this year, obviously ten. Been in the last half of October as teams gear up for the second half of the season. So I'm gonna come back a little bit later in the podcast to tell you about what I think of all these trades individually to sort of break them down to give you my winners and losers. But before we do that I wanna get to the other very big news of the week. Obviously saw that the Cleveland Browns on Monday fired their head coach hue Jackson who had been given some assurance in the off season. Don't were you got this year, and he actually only add half of this year. And not only did they fire Jackson, but they also fired the his offense coordinator Todd Haley, and I think there is a message in that from the owner of the Browns Jimmy has them and from the general manager of the Browns John Dorsey in the message is very very. People. Listen, we're not gonna have discord here. We're all going to be pulling in the same direction. And I think the rift between Jackson Haley, these guys are definitely not going to be on each other's Christmas card lists. And I think the rift between them Dorsey and has lem both felt was affecting the product on the field. So has lem instead of as he had indicated instead of giving huge Jackson three full years. He gives them two and a half. And you know, I hate to see Cleveland continually in this sort of cauldron of change. But it's hard to argue when hard to argue with has them when the team is under Hugh Jackson is three thirty six and one. And basically you look at that kind of record. And you say why should we keep this guy in a specially if? He is at odds with members of his staff. So that's that's sort of the Cliff's notes version of why the Browns did what they did this week. But you're gonna enjoy hearing from Joe Thomas, the former left tackle of the Browns and one of the smartest analysts a native of Ohio. And and a very very good football player. 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So if you're gonna compete against me better be willing to give up their life because I'm giving a mine, Ken sport change, the way, we think that actually attempted to hang myself, and what I had used to hang myself broke behave. I got up off the ground. I turn on the television. And there was a basketball game on the students were jumping so hard that the camera was shaking, and I thought man if I could be part of that that would make me feel really good. What happens on the field tells one story what happens off? Gotham Chopra from religion of sports available. Now, why sports matter on apple podcast radio dot com or wherever you get your shows. And now my conversation with Joe Thomas. Back of the Peter King podcast happy to be joined by one of my all time favorites that I've covered. Joe thomas? I I met Joe Thomas before the NFL draft in two thousand seven I was dispatched by Sports Illustrated to go right about Joe Thomas this top five draft prospect tackle from Wisconsin. So got in touch with them. And I was gonna meet him on campus at the university of Wisconsin. So we were gonna go to his house and on campus that he shared with some guys on the football team and some others. And so he gave me the address I went there. And the first thing I noticed was there's a when I walked in the front door. This was a classic classic. Classic college house. It should have been an animal house. First of all there were. Were there was a deer a deer head on the wall with the Antlers there. It was probably about a twelve point buck. It was a huge huge set of Antlers on the wall. And what I noticed is. It had a red padded bra hang on one of the Antlers. It was just a classic. I actually went up to Joe Thomas room when I got up there and Joe had his his his laptop on his desk in his pigsty of a room, and he had his laptop and instead of having some sort of setup for the laptop. He had four rolls of toilet paper sitting there. And that is what in very organized way on the desk that is what his laptop was perched on just so they could be above the may. Him on. Joe Thomas is desk. Anyway, always got a kick out of Joe Thomas. He's just a human being who was very good at football. But we've had good conversations over the years. And I thought he would be a really really good guy to talk to about the plight of the Browns and how the Browns have made this massive change again in the middle of the two thousand eighteen season. So I'm going to start off in Joe, thanks, and I really appreciate you. Joining me this week, and I'll start off by just asking. So you told me a year ago that Hugh Jackson was the best coach you played for in Cleveland. Where do you think it all went wrong? Yeah. I think that Hugh Jackson is the best coach that I played for in Cleveland, obviously things didn't work out. I think the big issue. And where things went wrong is the first two seasons of his career was really Ripa down to the. Suds rebuild with an eye to the future. And they were trying to save the salary cap space. They were trying to trade back to get more draft picks in the future. And they really weren't putting all their assets into those first couple years to try to give Hugh Jackson the ability to have enough players. So that they could win some games. And I think after a couple years, honestly, the losing and that constant being beaten down by the fans and the media for your record. I think it gets to you. And I think it can change you, mentally and kinda change the type coach you are because of all that incredible amount of pressure and stress, and I think some situations. No matter how good you are as a coach just too much to overcome just because you're a great coach doesn't mean you're going to have success everywhere you go. I look back in Cleveland when Bill Belichick was head coach. Look, he got fired in Cleveland. He's the greatest coach the NFL's ever seen. But it didn't work out in Cleveland. And so a lot of what you do as a head coach and the success. You have comes. Down to being in the right place at the right time and being fortunate and lucky I mean, when you look at Bill Belichick he was extremely fortunate to fall into a guy named Tom Brady if they wouldn't have fallen into Tom Brady in the six round picking him out of Michigan. There's no way we have the success that they've had so far in their long tenure. So being a head coach just because you're good doesn't mean. It's automatically going to be successful. Joe great point about Bella chick. Totally agree with you. He's grown into the job. And who knows I doubt Jackson gets another chance. But if he does I'm sure this experience bitter, though, is it may was will serve him. Well, do you think the Browns did the right thing by whacking, Hugh? Now, I think the Brown Brown's the the right thing by getting rid of Hugh right now, I think there was some internal struggle that seems to have been going on between Hugh, and maybe some of the other coaches specifically Todd Haley. And that drama, and that internal discord as we heard from Jimmy has them was really apparently getting to everybody in that building. And I think it was expecting the preparation was acting the way that the players were playing, and they were very very sensitive to not retard the growth process of Baker Mayfield. They're really concerned that the drama that was going on with the coaches was going to have an effect on the growth in the maturation process of Baker Mayfield. So they felt like the situation needed to be dealt with right now before it potentially got any worse. So I'll ask you this maybe using a little bit of hindsight was Todd Haley the wrong choice as offense coordinator. I can't really say the Todd. Haley was definitely the wrong choice as an offensive coordinator. I think it was great for Hugh to be hiring offense coordinator, if we believe some of the things that Hugh said about him going out on his own and wanting to hire Todd Haley to give him help and let him guide. The offense. Clearly, it didn't work out. So it's easy to say in hindsight that he was the wrong choice. But at the time Todd Haley is a very successful offense coordinator, he's had a lot of success at different places. He's been he's proven to be a very good coach and office coordinator, and sometimes the fit just doesn't right? And you don't really realize that intil you're in that situation. And clearly you can say now that the fit wasn't right. So with the benefit of hindsight, I'm gonna say that Todd. Haley was the wrong choices the offensive coordinator. So Joe, I know how much you know, about what's going on inside of this organization. You've only been away now for ten months. What do you know that the rest of us should know about this firing about the organization right now? And you know, I don't mean to lead you in any direction, but. I also love to hear your thoughts about John Dorsey as general manager. It's easy to say that this is the same old Browns. They're starting over there hitting the reset button. But I think this is much different because we've had John Dorsey now leading this organization for almost a year. He's a guy that's got a proven track record. He's brought in some enormous talent already through free agency in the draft. I think he did an exceptional job with the young players. He's picked and this roster is loaded with young talent at important positions. Myles Garrett pass rusher. Bigger Mayfield quarterback dens award cornerback. These are all pieces that you're going to be able to build around. And so this next coach of the Cleveland Browns. Whoever that's going to be is going to have a roster. That's full of young talent that no coach since Cleveland has come back has had the ability or the good fortune of being able to be coaching and being able to be involved with. So whatever the new head coaches, whoever that's going. To be is going to have an incredible stable of talent to play with. And they're going to have a great GM with a proven track record. And he's got the the the pelts on the wall. John Dorsey has done it at other places Kansas City Green Bay, and he's got the respect of the house loans. And I think the house loans having that respect for who John Dorsey is is going to give him a long leash to be able to make decisions that he think are in the best interest of the Cleveland Browns. And I think that's going to vote really well for the stability moving forward and the ability to change the narrative and change the direction of this organize organization. Joe why should Browns fans who have watched six coaches try unsuccessfully to Bill the winner since two thousand ten why place any faith in the powers that be that they can actually find a coach that'll work. Browns fans have watched a ton of coaches, come through Berea and get fired. But the number one issue was not that they weren't all bad coaches because there was many good coaches in the bunch. The biggest issue was you never had that franchise quarterback. And you never had the talent on that Rosser to build around in the end in the NFL. It's about talent I and coaching second whoever the new head coach is going to be in Cleveland is going to have a plethora of young talented players that important key positions to build with. And I think has the largest probability of success of any coach that we've seen since the Browns came back in ninety nine. Absolute total, gut feeling do you have a potential Browns head coach, maybe a college. Coach pro assistant who you think ought to get a shot. At being the next Browns. Coach the coach that I keep thinking about the think would be a tremendous fit in Cleveland would be Matt leflore. He's the offense coordinator for the Tennessee titans. Right now, he's got a background with Kyle Shanahan the Sean McVay type offenses. I think those are an offense that really runs and plays. Very well right now in the NFL, I think it's creative. I think it's explosive and I think it fits Baker Mayfield. In his skill set the way he can throw the football down the field the way he can scramble he can move can get outside of the tackle boxes. And I think that would just be a tremendous fit. I don't know personally. I don't know what type of leader. He is. I don't know what type of a manager. He is. But when I look at successful teams right now and the direction that NFL headed, I think guy like Matt leflore would be perfect for the Cleveland Browns. And Baker Mayfield heavy seen enough. A Mayfield to know. Whether he's the answer. I think Baker Mayfield is definitely the quarterback of the future. He's definitely the answer. I've seen enough from him. There's nothing that we've seen that says he will not be able to do it. Now, of course, there is something that could pop up in the next two three years with them as a quarterback that becomes that foible that achilles heel that he's just not able to get over and he's not able to overcome. But it's unlikely because we haven't seen it yet. And I think you pair good offense coordinator a good head coach. With Baker Mayfield. You allow him the growth in match ration- process of three years, which I truly believe is how long it takes to show that you can be good quarterback in the NFL. And I think what we're gonna see a franchise all pro level quarterback out of Baker Mayfield could not agree with you more on Baker Mayfield. Glad you said that I think going back to the time when you know, I was there on draft weekend. I was in the minority then, but I really thought that they made the right decision with Mayfield. He's just a different different cat. Anyway, last question. So obviously, you're not. From Cleveland, you're a badger. Not only you went to Wisconsin. But you know, you're from Wisconsin. But now you've made Cleveland your home. So I would just ask you this. You're sitting with Jimmy has lem right now. I want you to tell me, what's the one piece of advice. You would give to the Browns owner right now. I'm sitting next to Jimmy house them, and I'm inviting him on who the next head. Coach would be what I'm saying. Is you need to entrust the process and trust John Dorsey. This is a man that has been around the NFL longtime. He really understands what it takes the win hinder stands what looks like to build a winning organization, and he's going to be the one with the expertise to be able to bring you a head coach that he can ensure at least say this is the guy that's gonna turn this franchise around and lead us to the promised land the playoffs maybe even an opportunity to win a Super Bowl. And I think you lead and you trust all of your faith and a guy like John Dorsey because that's what you hired him to do. And I think that's what he will. Do. I have a lot of faith that the house loans have learned from the mistakes of the past. And they're going to understand and respect John Dorsey in the process now, they'll be involved. Of course, they want to be involved. It's their team. They wanna have some say they wanna be able to list. To meet these head coaches to throw their two cents in. But in the end, I believe very strongly that they're going to allow John Dorsey to pick the next head coach to use all of his years of experience in the NFL to guide this organization of by two and hire the right head coach for this job. Joe cannot thank you enough on a very busy day in a busy week in a controversial week for the Cleveland Browns. I really really appreciate you. Joining me. Thanks. Can I tell you about my favorite new thing at home? I mean, it's incredible. It's my new Sonos beam Sonos beam as the smart compact sound bar for my TV and the newest addition to my home sound system. It plays everything I love they're so much to enjoy Sonal supports over one hundred streaming services. 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And now, I even have hands free control of my music. I can even use my voice to turn the TV on or off and to adjust the volume how great is that. So get your Sonos today. Don't wait don't you wanna listen to music in one bedroom a podcast in the living room? Maybe NPR or some radio in the kitchen or send sound from your TV everywhere. So you never miss a sound or a second of the action create the ultimate entertainment center ear beam. I did so knows beam go online to get yours today. And now my conversation with Chris Spielman. Back on the Peter King podcast really happy to be joined by Chris Spielman. Why think is one of the most interesting people I have ever covered in thirty four years of the NFL. He was so intense that one time I wanted to do a story of his life in football and see what he really went through to prepare for a game when I worked at Sports Illustrated, and Chris who was at the time. A hugely intense linebacker for the Detroit Lions when I proposed this idea to him to sort of hang around with him as he prepared for a game. He looked up at me. And he goes, I don't remember if it was through gritted teeth, but I think he was a little bit. I don't know a put off by the question. He said my life is not the frigging NFL today. I got a great kick out of that. And I always respect the passion of guys, and I've always really really respected the passion of Chris Spielman. So Chris thank you so much for joining me. I'm gonna jump right into this. And just ask you your now, a talk show host in Ohio. You you grew up in northeast, Ohio. You grew up basically in the shadow of the pro football hall of fame. Now, you do NFL games for FOX. So you're round the game. And I wanna know this. Why did Hugh Jackson fail? I think they're couple reasons you can't one is not that he didn't have the opportunity in years to fix it. But if I sit back and look at it, there's a lack of stability within the organization. Alexa stability in front office. There was constant changes. And you take a look at Hugh Jackson and. What they were trying to do when you're not working hand in hand with the front office in there's constant stress and pressure. It's never going to work. I think the other thing is the obvious answer. Is there was never stability at the quarterback position. I do believe now that they have that stability with Baker Mayfield. But didn't Hugh Jackson know what he was getting into. Yeah. But my point is they weren't getting along. Whether they went whether it was everybody was Coon by yacht. I an all in. But as as the process went on they started infighting and pointing fingers at each other. So what organization when you have everybody pointing fingers at each other on the inside is ever going to be successful. It's not they're not on the same page in. They haven't been. I'm not sure Dorsey, and we're on the same page. You think the Browns did the right thing by whacking Hugh Jackson right now. I think now I think you send a message to everybody that, you know, this incompetence and not not incumbents is a person just, you know, you're not. Inning games. And we have to win in the NFL and not only do they let Hugo, of course. But they let Todd Haley go. And again, it's the same thing you got two guys and egos are fighting during the middle of season of who's doing what and point fingers and blame it, and you have nobody rowing together being together in the same team thinking the same things. And if they're not doing that, then you have to let them go, and you're going to start fresh, and I do think there's a lot of good candidates out there that they can explore look at. So obviously everybody saw. Hugh Jackson Todd. Haley, other coaches sort of bitching at each other during hard knocks is that a big deal to you care about this stuff. I think it was overblown a little bit. But I do think it was a precursor of things to come at the time. I thought it was overblown because there's a lot of times when there's healthy debate amongst coaches and coordinators, but eventually the coordinator has to do with Todd said you're the head coach I'm going to do what you wanna do. But here's what I feel and head coach says, I appreciate that. When you're the head coach you can make that decision. Chris why should Browns fans have any faith that they're going to pick the right coach after this season? 'cause you well, you have to have faith John Dorsey. I think you're having a guy that's a football guy that that understands and works with a lot of great coaches over the years, and you gotta understand that he's going to put a coach in there. That he feels is best for the organization and also guy that's going to be able to be on the same page in understand what the plan is to build a team understand that the coach would want these tape players to build a team that the GM go get those type of players and you work as a team. So that's what I would put faith in. So you work pro football. And you have were college football. You know, everything about Ohio State. You follow both games college. And pro so I wanna ask you your total gut feeling right now if you could pick a guy out there right now, college or pro from all the coaches you've seen right now. Is there a guy who you think could do a good job trying to put these Browns back together again. Well, I think there's two ways to go. So one of the things is what's the hot offense? Now. It'd be the Kansas City Chiefs, right or you can look at it. Sean McVay offense, very similar in a lot of ways. So Matt Nagy's having success now with Chicago Bears whose Andy Reid disciple. So you can go that way somebody that understands conceptually with the chiefs don't or what the bears are doing authencity. If you want that guy or you can go the veteran, a guy that's been out there guy that is kind of quite frankly, I think of campaigned for the job is Bruce Arians. I've had a chance to sit in meetings with Bruce. I had a chance to watch him coach on the field. I think he gets along with his players. I think he's challenges his players. And if I were looking for veteran, I would say be a would be a guy that I would strongly consider. Well, he is in his mid sixties. Chris is he too old. I don't think so not now not nowadays. I think there's a lot of energy with guys. And I I know he's had some health issues in the past. So I'd have to make sure that he was clear on that. I'm not just saying hire Bruce Arians right now. I'm saying there's a lot of guys out there that potentially would fit. What you? You want to do to tape a team you wanna build if you're John Dorsey? It's just philosophically which way do you wanna go? And for me. I think somebody that has an offense of mind. That's an offensive driven league. I'm a big offensive guy right now if John Dorsey has that guy, then you have to trust John Dorsey to make that decision. Have you seen enough outta Baker Mayfield to know if he should be the Browns long-term quarterback? I think he is. I think that he definitely has the the opportunity. To excel. I do think there's more talented needs to be put around him specially at the wide receiver position. But athle- I think he conceptually he gets the game. I think he sees the field. Well, but like all rookie quarterback's you need to start making better decisions. But if you if you put me under the hot lights and say his Baker Mayfield going to be the quarterback of the future the Cleveland Browns, my answers definite. Yes. I think he has that ability. You know, Chris, I can't think of anybody who would be more qualified to answer. This question. You grew up right near the pro football hall of fame. You went to a high. Oh state late near career. You're Cleveland Brown for a short time. And I just wonder right now, why should fans in Cleveland have any hope at all that this is gonna work. Well, I think they have stability in the front office. John dorsey. A football guy. Right. They tried all other ways. But I think John Dorsey has a proven track record. I think John Dorsey understands what it takes to build an organization. And I also trust and John Dorsey to draft very good players in the higher coached at he can work with and I'm going back to the points that I made earlier in order for any organization to be successful the head coach and the general manager must be on the same page of what type type of team they are going to build and I do think just answer the previous question. Yes. I do think they have a franchise quarterback instability with Baker Mayfield. What advice would you have for Jimmy has learned the owner of the Browns right now, I'm saying I appreciate your efforts of what you're doing for Cleveland Browns. A really do. And I admire your. I your willingness to try to keep making things, right? I now which you need to do is you need to hire. Peter King president Joe Thomas, general manager and crispy minutes head coach. So you think he needs to be an owner who doesn't stick his nose into things has to allow step out of the way in loud Dorsey to hire the head coach now, obviously he can have input and say in it. But I I do think that you know, John Dorsey has to be able to hire head coach and the head coach has to be willing to listen to the general manager and general manager has to be willing to listen to the head coach can't emphasize enough. How important it is for the organization everybody understands their role in they enter stand where they fall as far as the thirty with any organism. 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And now back to a few more thoughts on the NFL trading deadline. So last year, I think you all might remember when we talked about the trading deadline. There was a Maitree last year. Jimmy Garoppolo went from New England San Francisco there was one other. I thought very big trade and that is Duane Brown. The left tackle of the Houston. Texans going to the Seattle Seahawks. I thought those two trades were bigger than any of the five that happened on Tuesday of this week as the trading deadline came and went in fact, you know, of the ten trades in October in the last two weeks. I think both Garoppolo and Dwayne Brown were more consequential than anything that's going to happen this year or the did happen this year. But there's a couple of things that I found really interesting. Let's go over a couple of the. Trades. And let's go over each trade that happened on Tuesday. And I'll basically a couple of thoughts number one Damari Thomas Denver wide receiver to Houston. Look, I think John Elway did a good job in getting a fourth round pick for Thomas. I probably would've rather him gotten a third particularly because the Houston pick could be late in the fourth round. It just showed you that that the Broncos really want to try to do business in the draft in two thousand nineteen more. So than they want to win one more game. Let's say in two thousand eighteen Thomas had been getting banged up a little bit. He wasn't gonna be on the team next year. This is a great example of if a team thinks they can contend this year. They're okay with giving amid round pick next year. And I don't think that always was the case. So. So I'd give a slight edge on this trade to Denver because I'm just not sure of to marry Thomas is going to hold up and be a big factor for what now would be. I would think the front runner in the AFC south second trade golden Tate from Detroit to Philadelphia for a third round picnic steer. I love this trade for how he Roseman the GM of the Philadelphia Eagles. I understand it for Detroit GM. Bob Quinn in trying to get something for a guy who he did not think would be on his team in two thousand nineteen. But to me golden Tate is a just add water factor for a team that needs a big factor at wide receiver. So I'll Sean Jeffery has come back. But what the eagles have noticed in the last couple of weeks since alshon Jeffery has come back from injury is they've noticed teams really ganging up on Shaun Jeffrey golden Tate, either in the. Plot or outside is going to provide a little bit of an alternative DAL, Sean Jeffrey, I really like the eagles. Getting at least thirty five catches down the stretch from golden Tate and some catches in the red zone as well. Number three running back time on Gumri from the Packers to the ravens for a seventh round pick in twenty twenty. Now, look that's practically nothing, and obviously we know I call this the Mike silver trade because I was in Los Angeles on Sunday. The Rams Packers game. I went to the Rams locker room every port it out of their Mike went to Green Bay saag room. I think he ended up showing up in the Rams locker room later on. But I had left and Mike found out some great stuff about how the team in Green Bay was really upset with time Montgomery for taking the ball out of the end zone. Fumbling and not giving Aaron Rodgers chance to drive in the last two. Minutes in that incredibly beautiful setting at the LA Coliseum on a beautiful summer day, really with a huge crowd of seventy five thousand people. They didn't give Aaron Rodgers the chance to have one more shot at victory. Saudi time on Gumri goes it was going to be hard for him to go back to the Packers especially because they have two running backs who passed them on the depth chart. So obviously the. You know, the the the ravens now with buck gallon with Alex Collins with Thai Montgomery, they don't exactly have an embarrassment of riches, but they're gonna have three productive backs down the stretch. And the ravens think they have a really good chance to steal the AFC north. So the last two deals are the ones that are most significant to me, I love the Rams getting Dante Fowler junior. You know, why he's a pass rusher who failed to really reach his potential in Jacksonville. They decided not to exercise fifth year option after him being a high first round pick in two thousand fifteen so he was going to be gone at the end of this year and Jacksonville gets third round pick in nineteen a fifth round pick and twenty and the Rams think they get hugely motivated outside pass rusher. The one thing they were missing. On this defense. So I like this move for the Rams now finally ha ha Clinton Dix goes from the Packers to Washington for two thousand nineteen fourth round pick. You know, this is almost a Green Bay waving a white flag to some degree. But I understand why they did it because Clinton Dix was not going to be on the team next year. And so you get amid round pick farm Brian Gouda Kunst, the new general manager is much more aggressive about trades than its predecessor Ted. Thompson was so I understand why he did this that sort of a rundown of the ten trades and the one other thing I would say is very simply this. I love the fact that the trading deadline in the NFL is now a thing. I think it is utterly fantastic. Thanks to my guest. Joe Thomas and Chris Spielman few enjoyed these conversations be sure to listen and subscribe to other great episodes in my podcast series, such as my conversations with Adam Schefter, Roger Goodell. And Joe buck you can find these on apple podcasts radio dot com or anywhere. You get your podcasts. And don't forget to leave a review while you're there. 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Bring on the regular season | Cake by the ocean

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Bring on the regular season | Cake by the ocean

"It's the stink in truth podcast with marks laura. Hey welcome into the sticking by cast mark sizzler longside. Mike scott the hub producing the show. I like to thank our <hes> wonderful corporate sponsors just getting. We don't have any you suck mike. How are you buddy. You know if somebody's interested yeah well. You know what i'm gonna get mark. I'm gonna get some people. You're going to be awesome. Completes goes the seasons here this. I know you probably felt like the preseason was gonna last forever here in denver city here in denver. We had a <hes> hall of fame game so we kicked off a week earlier than i think we're the first team to start preseason like the last team to finish its brutal. I mean it does little long and ten ten more days to go until they kick it off but at least hey everybody now. We're looking forward to real football yeah. That's that's gonna be exciting and and yeah the season kicks off and obviously you know for the first couple of weeks. It's kind of an extended preseason. I think one of the things about this is. I think it's interesting you know even in the fourth preseason game in the super bowl m._v._p. Julian edelman was playing in the fourth preseason game in a day and age where nobody plays they're players. <hes> bill belichick says i don't care what anybody else does. I do what i do and interestingly enough. That's a team that you know it was always twelve and four and always runs away with their division but they've notoriously been slow starters and i wonder if this is part of bill belichick saying i'm not going to allow you. You guys to start off slow because you can make a lot of ground up or you. Can you know get that that potential lead within your division. If you play well early and there are a lot of teams who haven't played anybody that i think are ripe for the picking early in the first four weeks. Where even if you're a less talented football team than the one you happen to be defacing. This is an area where you might be able to steal a game or two that <hes> that normally if everybody played the preseason like you know they used to play the preseason that that you might not have that opportunity remember new england loss to jacksonville in detroit early last year and then they were in a position where they had to get some help hope they had they needed houston to get upset late in the season just to be able to get back into position to have that first round by that they cover it so much so yeah. Maybe he just doesn't want to leave as much to chance around. Hey do you see to marry thomas running around. I know catching touchdowns probably often kelly's he he actually actually look really good got. I think seven balls in in the last preseason game had two touchdowns in like eighty seven yards. I mean that was a performance now and how about stem they're young quarterback. You talk about developing me. They didn't get a fine here. Tell me they didn't find the heir apparent to tom brady and the what fourth-round fourth fourth round tell me they didn't just do this. I've always said what have i always said about the new england patriots that sets them apart. It's not about the draft like the the draft is important. I think what a lot of people have missed. Mike is that yes. The draft is important. Yes it's it's important to get good players but guys have to transition. Well guys have to understand that. This is a profession. I always say this just because you play a pro. Sport doesn't make you a professional. You have to learn how to be a professional and i think this is. The kind of this is the kind of thing that sets that organization station apart that puts them above everybody else because they've had plenty of draft miss matt the they've had plenty of drop misses. I should say what sets them. Apart is when they get somebody within their program. They coached that guy up. They put them in a position to have success. They don't ask him things that physically he's he's unable to do. Which a lot of teams do they put a guy in a position. Say go do this for us because that's not my skill set right they put them in a skill set that fits them and and and they coach they develop them because it's a big part of the program. Let's develop use a football player and they. I think they do a better than anybody else. You know i i i was looking at <hes> vanoy who was a former first round draft choice for the detroit lions who was eventually let go because he was a first round bust host and he became one of their best if not their best linebacker last year it just and they consistently do it regardless of who that guy is by the way josh gordon is back. He played again last night. I mean it isn't d._t. Kind of security yeah 'cause what could possibly go wrong with. Josh scored yeah the i mean. You can't obviously you can't count on. You can't count on that but i will say this. I don't know did you hear the speech and this little off track. Is this an n._f._l. Podcast but did you hear the speech from <hes> nick sabin the other day about muhammad. I think i heard parts against it so he basically comes out and says he's talking about second. Chances you know and i don't even know what the whole context of the speech was but he was like i believe in the second chances you know i believe like you wanna kick these kids to the curb right all he makes one mistake and we're kicking him to the curb and i believe in you know and we're gonna in a punish a guy and and you know we're gonna take care of it internally. Whatever but wouldn't you rather him being kind of my care. Then in the care of you know of our are be under my care my supervision as opposed to being out on the streets like he's. He mentioned hussein mohammad when he was at <hes> michigan state and he goes. Who's who's got the gun trouble. We internally you know penalized him. We didn't let him play. We you know he he had to do the things he had to do now. He's the president of the company and went on to play for fifteen years and the n._f._l. Is the president of a company has seven kids. He just took his oldest daughter to princeton like would you rather us kick him to the curb or would you rather us be involved with him. This is the thing that's that's interesting to me about the n._f._l. And and the lack of kind of awareness so maybe even social awareness they have so when you get suspended for whatever the case may be you know a lot of people people here in denver like chad kelly swag kelly. He's with the indianapolis colts and right now. The annapolis colts are finding another backup quarterback because he suspended for the first two games for what he did here in denver. Which was you know in a in a night where he was in new quote unquote a you know a drunken stupor. Whatever it was walked into somebody's house it got confused where he was sat down couch and they chased him out with a wiffle ball bat or something you know our vacuum. I think it was a vacuum to bright whacked him or any he you know he. He left <hes> so he's getting suspended. Here's the problem with the n._f._l. When a guy gets suspended he's no longer allowed contact with the team. He can't come to the facility like. Wouldn't you rather a guy that you have to suspend. Be there have to sit through. The meetings have to be connected connected to the team and have the punishment of not being able to to you know to play in the game. You know maybe even you know. Stand on the sideline with <hes> i'm you you know i'm a dumb ass and i got suspended code on ladder right you know but don't you think that that would be better where you have under your supervision you. Can you work them. Amount you can punish them. You can do whatever you want like from from that from grow up standpoint. We pulled guys found time. You're in grade school and you learn about what a suspension is. You're not there. You're suspended. You're gone yeah but they're not welcome bright survey time. Serve your punishment but you have to deal with your parents son. Saving thing salmon says all these things. It sounds great but you'd better be able to do all this play. Oh yeah yeah i mean how many people as he run off his program sure of course okay of if you can play i don't see him right. <hes> you know worried about that. Kid then when he's like well. You're hurt you can't play. I get somebody else taking away your scholarship well. I mean that's part of that's part of the process of a guy can play any any second chance play yeah well. I mean that's that's everyone can't play. Nobody's giving you multiple opportunities but i just thought that saving you know. You're trying to make him look how much he cares yeah. He cares as long as you can. Serve alabama camouflage sure sure what was it. Jimmy johnson once said if the if the fourth string running back falls asleep in meetings if he's cut if if emmett smith falls asleep in meetings we we nudge him right. That's wake up wake up dude. I mean there is that difference and i get that i get that part of it. Mike but <hes> you know that's just a sidebar on on just me josh gordon yeah really think i mean the patriots have gone above and beyond when it comes to jerry scores no question but they need receivers. I mean you talk all you want about. Tom brady's greatness in many different ways as i would say go back over the years and look at some of the receiving core he's been asked to go out and play with and only speaks even more greatness. I i mean this guy who made reshape caldwell look good sky who got done with guys like david givens you know and you know they don't have receivers levers. They had to go to josh score not in assessing they still do yeah you know well. Josh gordon is there's no question he is a physical like physical freak freak <hes> but it was good you know for being here in denver and living in denver to see and and and what damaris thomas was he's kind of an anomaly here because he's he's gonna be kind of a ring of fame player for the denver broncos that most of the people that support the broncos really don't like d. Yeah there always was a thinly-veiled right veiled dislike disdain for him. I and i've always thought it was because you guys six foot three and two thirty five or whatever to thirty and you you know played like he was five eleven. You know and one ninety six. Let's see the line of her before looks like tarzan plays like jane yeah there was there was part of that a couple of draw draw ball's not necessarily going up in a crowd and fighting for you know <hes> so there were always they're always the people that the always had plenty of people that were kind of <hes> not fans of of his style if you will but he's put up great numbers and if he's as healthy as as you look the other night that does nothing but help the new england patriots in that division and frankly that division you look at that division right now with you know a buffalo and i think there are more talented team and they've got you know they've got a young quarterback and josh allen and you look at the jets will sam darnold and what people think sam sam darnold might become and i think there are more talented team than they've been in the past this whole dolphin thing so yeah all right where to start the dolphins and by by the way what is it that you cover them a couple years ago and you said maybe it was the worst culture is friday practice. I have the worst friday practice that i've ever seen ever ever player as a player on the tater and an analyst in two years of calling games for fox and and twelve years as a player. I've never seen anything like the friday practice eyewitness the first time only miami brian flora's brought in to bring some disabled way way some cultures discipline that so rumblings that they may be looking to trade laremy tunsil <hes> and bet if that happens to be a full scale mutiny on florida's his hands. Why would they be why. Why are they looking to trade tonsil like. I mean first off. Tunnel is one of the great one of really good young left tackles in this in this game right now he is you can make an argument that he's developing into one of the best left haggles at least in the a._f._c. see so now is it one of those situations where you trade him. You get trent williams in return plus. Something you know from the redskins is that you are you looking at that but yeah he's a young player and again. This goes back to culture. Mike we talk about my thing when a young player comes in and plays really well for you in develops even though he's a first rounder but when that happens for you i've always felt like from an organizational standpoint instead of coveting other people's players reward your players reward the guys who come in and remember you go back to draft night. You'll somebody released the video of him with the gas ass mask on smoking weed and essentially try to really sabotage. This kid <hes> yeah in made the mistake of let somebody film them doing that. You know or you could say he made the mistake seca smoking weed but come on. I mean how many guys how many people in our society smoke weed and it's legal. I mean we live in colorado. It's legal <hes> and it's becoming legal all over the place but <hes> you know he has overcome those kind of things to develop himself into a really good player of always felt like the guys who do it the right way. The guys who develop under your tutelage like you should reward those god is this right out of the ballot playbook. <unk> chick gets to cleveland. He wants to get rid of bernie kosar. How many <hes> <hes> <hes> well known beloved patriots that he sent packing over the years. Is this just a way of florez you know like putting down and and being in control i've got i've got a certain way. I want it done here. Tunsil may be a great player but he doesn't embody what i want and i'm going to send a very clear message well here okay so here's mcdaniels same thing got to denver and five minutes. You traded jay cutler. I didn't think about it that way. It's a a great point and if that's the case and this is why this is why those guys will always be doomed to fail k. You saw it in detroit to you. Gosh now that you mention it. You're actually onto something because didn't they get rid of golden state. They got rid of it right <hes>. It's you know it's an interesting thing here. Here's the deal and i've always said this about like being a disciple. You know bill belichick disciple a bill walsh decide blah. You know mike shanahan whatever your whoever a bill parcells disciple if you're not you if you're not authentic then you're in trouble because one thing about players they can read through garbage like that and if you're acting as though you're somebody that you're not if you're trying to portray look at me. I'm little bella. Check heck junior. We saw it firsthand here. When hurricane josh mcdaniels came through town and it became like even though he he is got unbelievable football accurate the guy is the guys like this guy is an incredibly smart football guy like the players just looked theme like he's. He's not authentic. He's not real. He's not east east fake. You get all that but but it's kind of funny if matt patricia patricia comes in to detroit and wants his team to practice out in the snow even though they are going to be playing that week indoors right and the players are all griping about it. Oh that's not the way you do it well. You're the lions you've sucked for years. You're irrelevant the way that you've been doing things clearly early doesn't work right. So why is your way the way it has to be. Why can't you be open open to the idea of doing something different. This isn't like some guys coming in and telling you know the patriots for example. Hey the way you've been doing it for. The last has twenty years. I mean you might wanna try something different. You're the freaking lions yeah all right. I get it or who you are you as the lions. He's be sitting here going. Hey wait a minute. We don't practice out in the snow. We don't do those things around here. Why the hell not maybe you should you know it's interesting miami right. I mean you may say come on flora and stop trying to be a mini ballot check but what's wrong with trying to change taking shake. Pick it up a little bit i again. I don't think there's anything wrong with changing it but you have to understand the way your players are going to look at that like the fact that you're gonna play indoors and you're making them practice outside in the snow to them is like oh come on dude now. All you're trying to be as bella check like because there's no rhyme nor reason you know what your staff. How do you find that middle ground now. Yeah i see i think it's one of the challenges. I think that's one of the hard things about becoming a head coach. You know you become a head coach and i think i look at any any head coaching situation with young coaches every year. There's like probably six or seven new coaches every year and every year probably eighty percent of them fail right yeah and they may take a year or two years the three years right. I mean just look at the last couple years. You know vance. Joseph was hired for the broncos couple years ago. He made it for two seasons. Steve wilks was hired by the arizona cardinals. He made it for a year like there's always this great turnover and only about twenty percent of the cal coaches who become head coaches and up sticking so it's about out of eighty percent failure rate. That's about what it is and so i think there's a lot of things i think one of the things. That's really hard for coaches at that. Come from being coordinators ordinary whatever to all of a sudden becoming head coaches. Is you lose connectivity with your players. You know you lose that that one on one coaching your coaching the coaches you're you're standing over the coaches your standing in the background watching practice. You're not necessarily as hands on and there's a lot of different things that you have to be the able to to deal with when you become the head coach and i think it's a mayor just think it's an incredibly difficult transition you flora's this. You made the right call with ryan fitzpatrick. Everyone loves fitzpatrick. You want you want to improve team. Morale half fitzpatrick be your guy. Everyone must fitzpatrick. I know here's a guy and i mean but it goes used the. There's no question about that. It also goes to you know this idea that hey you just drop draft a quarterback in the top you know in the top ten and your franchise which is a set like josh rose everybody coming out when josh rosen came out two years ago. What was it hey he's the most n._f._l. Ready quarterback in in in college college football. You know more than baker mayfield more the sam darnold more than josh rosen archie more than josh allen. You know more than anybody. He is the guy and yet here. He is now with his second team in his second year. Any can't start again like this is barely alarming arming and remember ryan fitzpatrick pulled him off the couch like he's got like seven kids. They all have birthdays he came in. He was like thirty pounds overweight right. I mean he wasn't ryan. He was ryan patrick. He came in he had been doing nothing but eating birthday cake and lady literally was eating cake by the by by the beach. Take by the ocean take by. He was leading cake buddy. Yes literally and yet here. He is he you you know that they're not really eating cake by the ocean motor the eaten by the ocean who in the song song cake by the ocean song yeah yeah. What is that song. That's the jonas brother. I don't listen to joe's brother. Jonas brothers is one of them yeah. Are you kidding now cake by the water hey loser. I'll be learn yet. Ah kay guys google what kicked by the ocean mean. God guy came out now. I'm interested. Hold on. Let me go right here. Let me get let me get to the google button all right. Let's see oh oh oh my okay. What is it it's about having sex on the beach really really who who are the ocean that is scary that in this room right now i am the hippest of all three of all three of you is joe jonas. I am the hippest of all three. Hey i did this and if we're going to spill the t you guys got to be up to date on things. Okay come on now spill the t. another one that is at another euphemism for sex. No it's not okay okay jesus. I seriously it's it's you know let's let's english. Let's dish. Let's wrap. Let's talk about this. Let's let's spill. My daughter will say to me. She's six. She's sixteen. It's a it's a where there's where the gap where the gap -at's exists. Let's sip see that spilled a you've got teenage. It's disclosing information my kids. It's spilling her sipping spilling billing spill well the o._t. Let's let's dispense about what we're doing right now. Is we're spilling n._f._l. T k god. Let me tell you if i me if i am the the huffing kappa culture right now. This is sad my kids this. This is pathetic. My kids are all out of the house. They're all like in their late. Twenties early thirties and you are the only one with teenage kids scott. It has little kids and i'm dealing with granddaughter so i i don't know spilling tea and cake and by the ocean man taking thank you cake it by the ocean. You'll get kicked by the ocean. It's cake by the ocean. Ryan fitzpatrick was literally eating cake by the ocean pound cake got it. Does it bother you that you have a sixteen year old daughter and you know cake by the ocean right now does that i see that bothers. I wanna get me mad. Yeah your daughter talk about kicked by the ocean do and then you learned about it now. Do you know how does she argues komo. Those things never ever right. She's a good girl. She is your girl. Hey girl she's a good girl. I'm just saying you got teenage kids. We don't we move on life. Life was in this podcast. I don't wanna be in trouble with your misses. I okay all right. Okay good that much more serious conversations but rosen. Here's like but rosen yeah come on. I mean dude. What does it say that. He can't beat out ryan fitzpatrick. It's patrick like ryan. Fitzpatrick been around. I know the ryan fitzpatrick a smart guy and a really good team mate and he's he has these moments where he's just lights out for three or four <music> games right and then he's just like just falls off the just falls off the map so anyhow the fact that you're in your second year you're on your second team and you can't beat out ryan fitzpatrick who they pulled off off the couch who they pulled off the beach because he was eating cake there boom boom waiting. I mean how i see how it tied at all things up so fast you are. I'm just not counterculture man. You come around fast telling speaking doc. I'm old right i this is. I'm old like this how old i am so my wife asked me to go upstairs and have sex the other day. I and i said i can't do both can either go upstairs. I can have sex we get done right here. Stairs a million of home drummer all just kidding that didn't happen deeply chartered territory here. Maybe the endless ended on that note okay. This was not our best effort. There is some solid parts there some solid parts. It's so wait until the headline trust me. We'll get people to stay but they'll tune in ah lord exhibitions. Are we ready for some football or not. I i have a hard time. I believe we don't have a sponsor all right as everybody involved in the program for mike for scott myself. Thank you so much for listening listening <hes>. Please don't tell our wives about this new episode episode because we're gonna get in trouble <hes> and <hes> subscribe on youtube in. Please share it with all your friends. Thank you so so much. 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Zeke and Goff get paid | Jets offense will be electric

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"It's the stink in truth podcast with marks laura. Hey welcome into the sticking by cast mark sizzler alongside. Mike scott the hub producing the show. I like to thank our <hes> wonderful corporate sponsors just getting. We don't have any you suck mike. How are you buddy. You know if somebody's interested yeah well. You know what i'm gonna get mark. I'm gonna get some people. You're going to be awesome. Completes goes the seasons here this. I know you probably felt like the preseason was gonna last forever here in denver city here in denver. We had a <hes> hall of fame game so we kicked off a week earlier than i think we're the first team to start preseason like the last team to finish its brutal. I mean it does little long and ten ten more days to go until they kick it off but at least hey everybody now. We're looking forward to real football yeah. That's that's gonna be exciting and and yeah the season kicks off and obviously you know for the first couple of weeks. It's kind of an extended preseason. I think one of the things about this as i think it's interesting you know even in the fourth preseason game in the super bowl m._v._p. Julian edelman was playing in the fourth preseason game in a day and age where nobody plays they're players. <hes> bill belichick says i don't care what anybody else does. I do what i do and interestingly enough. That's a team that you know it was always twelve and four and always runs away with their division but they've notoriously been slow starters and i wonder if this is part of bill belichick saying i'm not going to allow you. You guys to start off slow because you can make a lot of ground up or you. Can you know get that that potential lead within your division. If you play well early and there are a lot of teams who haven't played anybody that i think are ripe for the picking early in the first four weeks. Where even if you're a less talented football team than the one you happen to be defacing. This is an area where you might be able to steal a game or two that <hes> that normally if everybody played the preseason like you know they used to play the preseason that that you might not have that opportunity remember new england loss to jacksonville in detroit early last year and then they were in a position where they had to get some help hope they had they needed houston to get upset late in the season just to be able to get back into a position to have that first round by that they cover it so much so yeah. Maybe he just doesn't want to leave as much to chance around. Hey do you see to marry thomas running around. I know catching touchdowns probably often kelly's he he actually actually look really good got seven balls in in the last preseason game had two touchdowns in like eighty seven yards. I mean that was a performance now. And how about stem a young quarterback you talk about developing me. They didn't get a fine here. Tell me they didn't find the heir apparent to tom brady and the what fourth-round fourth fourth round tell me they didn't just do this. I've always said what have i always said about the new england patriots that sets them apart. It's not about the draft like the the draft is important. I think what a lot of people have missed. Mike is that yes. The draft is important. Yes it's it's important to get good players but guys have to transition. Well guys have to understand that. This is a profession. I always say this just because you play a pro. Sport doesn't make you a professional. You have to learn how to be a professional and i think this is. The kind of this is the kind of thing that sets that organization station apart that puts them above everybody else because they've had plenty of draft miss matt the they've had plenty of drop misses. I should say what sets them. Apart is when they get somebody within their program. They coached that guy up. They put them in a position to have success. They don't ask him things that physically he's he's unable to do. Which a lot of teams do they put a guy in a position. Say go do this for us because that's not my skill set right they put them in a skill set that fits them and and and they coach they develop them because it's a big part of the program. Let's develop use a football player and they. I think they do a better than anybody else. You know i i i was looking at <hes> vanoy who was a former first round draft choice for the detroit lions who was eventually let go because he was a first round bust host and he became one of their best if not their best linebacker last year it just and they consistently do it regardless of who that guy is by the way josh gordon is back. He played again last night. I mean it isn't d._t. Kind of security yeah 'cause what could possibly go wrong with. Josh scored yeah the i mean. You can't obviously you can't count on. You can't count on that but i will say this. I don't know did you hear the speech and this little off track. Is this an n._f._l. Podcast but did you hear the speech from <hes> nick sabin the other day about muhammad. I think i heard parts against it so he basically comes out and says he's talking about second. Chances you know and i don't even know what the whole context of the speech was but he was like i believe in the second chances you know i believe like you wanna kick these kids to the curb right all he makes one mistake and we're kicking him to the curb and i believe in you know we're gonna in a punish a guy and and you know we're gonna take care of it internally. Whatever but wouldn't you rather him being kind of my care. Then in the care of you know of our are be under my care my supervision as opposed to being out on the streets like he's. He mentioned hussein mohammad when he was at <hes> michigan state and he goes. Who's who's got the gun trouble. We internally you know penalized him. We didn't let him play. We you know he he had to do the things he had to do now. He's the president of the company and went on to play for fifteen years and the n._f._l. Is the president of the company has seven kids. He just took his oldest daughter to princeton like would you rather us kick him to the curb or would you rather us be involved with him. This is the thing that's that's interesting to me about the n._f._l. And and the lack of kind of awareness so maybe even social awareness they have so when you get suspended for whatever the case may be you know a lot of people people here in denver like chad kelly swag kelly. He's with the indianapolis colts and right now. The annapolis colts are finding another backup quarterback because he suspended for the first two games for what he did here in denver. Which was you know in a in a night where he was in new quote unquote a drunken stupor. Whatever it was walked into somebody's house it got confused where he was sat down on our couch and they chased him out with a wiffle ball bat or something you know our vacuum. I think it was a vacuum to bright whacked him or any he you know he. He left <hes> so he's getting suspended. Here's the problem with the n._f._l. When a guy gets suspended he's no longer allowed contact with the team. He can't come to the facility like. Wouldn't you rather a guy that you have to suspend. Be there have to sit through. The meetings have to be connected connected to the team and have the punishment of not being able to to you know to play in the game. You know maybe even you know. Stand on the sideline with <hes> i'm you you know i'm a dumb ass and i got suspended code on ladder right you know but don't you think that that would be better where you have under your supervision you. Can you work them. Amount you can punish them. You can do whatever you want like from from that from grow up standpoint. We pulled guys found time. You're in grade school and you learn about what a suspension is. You're you're not there. You're suspended. You're gone yeah but they're not welcome bright survey time. Serve your punishment but you have to deal with your parents. Saving thing salmon says all these things. It sounds great but you'd better be able to do all this play. Oh yeah yeah. I mean how many people is run off his program. Sure of course okay of if you can play. I don't see him right. <hes> you know worried about that. Kid then when he's like well. You're hurt you can't play. I get somebody else taking away your scholarship well. I mean that's part of that's part of the process of a guy can play any any second chance play yeah well. I mean that's that's everyone can't play. Nobody's giving you multiple opportunities but i just thought that saving you know. You're trying to make him look how much he cares yeah. He cares as long as you can. Serve alabama camouflage sure sure what was it. Jimmy johnson once said if the if the fourth string running back falls asleep in meetings if he's cut if if emmett smith falls asleep in meetings we we nudge him right. That's got wake up dude. I mean there is that difference and i get that i get that part of it. Mike but <hes> you know that's just a sidebar on on just me josh gordon yeah really think i mean the patriots have gone above and beyond when it comes to jerry scores no question but they need receivers. I mean you talk all you want about. Tom brady's greatness in many different ways as i would say go back over the years and look at some of the receiving core he's been asked to go out and play with and only speaks even more greatness. I i mean this guy who made reshape caldwell look good sky who got done with guys like david givens you know and you know they don't have receivers levers. They had to go to josh score not in assessing they still do yeah you know well. Josh gordon is there's no question he is a physical like physical freak freak <hes> but it was good you know for being here in denver and living in denver to see and and and what damaris thomas was he's kind of an anomaly here because he's he's gonna be kind of a ring of fame player for the denver broncos that most of the people that support the broncos really don't like d. Yeah there always was a thinly-veiled right veiled dislike disdain for him. I and i've always thought it was because you guys six foot three and two thirty five or whatever to thirty and you you know played like he was five eleven. You know and one ninety six. Let's see the line of her before looks like tarzan plays like jane yeah there was there was part of that a couple of draw draw ball's not necessarily going up in a crowd and fighting for you know <hes> so there were always they're always the people that the always had plenty of people that were kind of <hes> not fans of of his style if you will but he's put up great numbers and if he's as healthy as as you look the other night that does nothing but help the new england patriots in that division and frankly that division you look at that division right now with you know a buffalo and i think there are more talented team and they've got you know they've got a young quarterback and josh allen and you look at the jets will sam darnold and what people think sam sam darnold might become and i think there are more talented team than they've been in the past this whole dolphin thing so yeah all right where to start the dolphins and by by the way what is it that you cover them a couple years ago and you said maybe it was the worst culture is friday practice. I have the worst friday practice that i've ever seen ever ever player as a player tater and an analyst in two years of calling games for fox and and twelve years as a player. I've never seen anything like the friday practice eyewitness the first time only miami brian flora's brought in to bring some disabled way way some cultures discipline that so rumblings that they may be looking to trade laremy tunsil <hes> and bet if that happens to be a full scale mutiny on his hands. Why would they be why. Why are they looking to trade tonsil like. I mean first off. Tunnel is one of the great one of really good young left tackles in this in this game right now he is you can make an argument that he's developing into one of the best left haggles at least in the a._f._c. see so now is it one of those situations where you trade him. You get trent williams in return plus. Something you know from the redskins is that you are you looking at that but yeah he's a young player and again. This goes back to culture. Mike we talk about my thing when a young player comes in and plays really well for you in develops even though he's a first rounder but when that happens for you i've always felt like from an organizational standpoint instead of coveting other people's players reward your players reward the guys who come in and remember you go back to draft night. You'll somebody released the video of him with the gas ass mask on smoking weed and essentially try to really sabotage. This kid <hes> yeah in made the mistake of let somebody film them doing that. You know or you could say he made the mistake seca smoking weed but come on. I mean how many guys how many people in our society smoke weed and it's legal. I mean we live in colorado. It's legal <hes> and it's becoming legal all over the place but <hes> you know he has overcome those kind of things to develop himself into a really good player of always felt like the guys who do it the right way. The guys who develop under your tutelage like you should reward those god is this right out of the ballot playbook. <unk> chick gets to cleveland. He wants to get rid of bernie kosar. How many <hes> <hes> well known beloved patriots that he sent packing over the years. Is this just a way of florez you know like putting down and and being in control i've got i've got a certain way. I want it done here. Tunsil may be a great player but he doesn't embody what i want and i'm going to send a very clear message well here okay so here's mcdaniels same thing got to denver and five minutes. You traded jay cutler. I didn't think about it that way. It's a a great point and if that's the case and this is why this is why those guys will always be doomed to fail k. You saw it in detroit to you. Gosh now that you mention it. You're actually onto something because didn't they get rid of golden state. They got rid of it right <hes>. It's you know it's an interesting thing here. Here's the deal and i've always said this about like being a disciple. You know bill belichick disciple a bill walsh decide blah. You know mike shanahan whatever your whoever a bill parcells disciple if you're not you if you're not authentic then you're in trouble because one thing about players they can read through garbage like that and if you're acting as though you're somebody that you're not if you're trying to portray look at me. I'm little bella. Check heck junior. We saw it firsthand here. When hurricane josh mcdaniels came through town and it became like even though he he is got unbelievable football accurate the guy is the guys like this guy is an incredibly smart football guy like the players just looked theme like he's. He's not authentic. He's not real. He's not east east fake. You get all that but but it's kind of funny if matt patricia patricia comes in to detroit and wants his team to practice out in the snow even though they are going to be playing that week indoors right and the players are all griping about it. Oh that's not the way you do it well. You're the lions you've sucked for years. You're irrelevant the way that you've been doing things clearly early doesn't work right. So why is your way the way it has to be. Why can't you be open open to the idea of doing something different. This isn't like some guys coming in and telling you know the patriots for example. Hey the way you've been doing it for. The last has twenty years. I mean you might wanna try something different. You're the freaking lions yeah all right. I get it or who you are you as the lions. He's be sitting here going. Hey wait a minute. We don't practice out in the snow. We don't do those things around here. Why the hell not maybe you should you know it's interesting miami right. I mean you may say come on flora and stop trying to be a mini ballot check but what's wrong with trying to change taking shake it up a little bit i again. I don't think there's anything wrong with changing it but you have to understand the way your players are going to look at that like the fact that you're gonna play indoors and you're making them practice outside in the snow to them is like oh come on dude now. All you're trying to be as bella check like because there's no rhyme nor reason you know. What do you find that middle ground now. Yeah i see i think it's one of the challenges. I think that's one of the hard things about becoming a head coach. You know you become a head coach and i think i look at any any head coaching situation with young coaches every year. There's like probably six or seven new coaches every year and every year probably eighty percent of them fail right yeah and they may take a year or two years the three years right. I mean just look at the last couple years. You know vance. Joseph was hired for the broncos couple years ago. He made it for two seasons. Steve wilks was hired by the arizona cardinals. He made it for a year like there's always this great turnover and only about twenty percent of the cal coaches who become head coaches and up sticking so it's about out of eighty percent failure rate. That's about what it is and so i think there's a lot of things i think one of the things. That's really hard for coaches at that. Come from being coordinators ordinary whatever to all of a sudden becoming head coaches. Is you lose connectivity with your players. You know you lose that that one on one coaching your coaching the coaches you're you're standing over the coaches your standing in the background watching practice. You're not necessarily as hands on and there's a lot of different things that you have to be the able to to deal with when you become the head coach and i think it's a mayor just think it's an incredibly difficult transition you flora's this. You made the right call with ryan fitzpatrick. Everyone loves fitzpatrick. You want you want to improve team. Morale half fitzpatrick be your guy. Everyone must fitzpatrick. I know here's a guy and i mean but it goes used the. There's no question about that. It also goes to you know this idea that hey you just drop draft a quarterback in the top you know in the top ten and your franchise which is a set like josh rose everybody coming out when josh rosen came out two years ago. What was it hey he's the most n._f._l. Ready quarterback in in in college college football. You know more than baker mayfield more the sam darnold more than josh rosen archie more than josh allen. You know more than anybody. He is the guy and yet here. He is now with his second team in his second year. Any can't start again like this is barely alarming arming and remember ryan fitzpatrick pulled him off the couch like he's got like seven kids. They all have birthdays he came in. He was like thirty pounds overweight right. I mean he wasn't ryan. He was ryan patrick. He came in he had been doing nothing but eating birthday cake and lady literally was eating cake by the by by the beach. Take by the ocean take by the he was leading cake buddy. Yes literally and yet here. He is he you you know that they're not really eating cake by the ocean motor the eaten by the ocean who in the song song cake by the ocean song yeah yeah. What is that song. That's the jonas brother. I don't listen to jo's brother. Jonas brothers is one of them yeah. Are you kidding now cake by the water hey loser. I'll be learn yet. Ah kay guys google what kicked by the ocean mean god guide case now. I'm interested. Hold on. Let me go right here. Let me get let me get to the google button all right. Let's see oh oh oh my okay. What is it it's about having sex on the beach really really who who are the ocean that is scary that in this room right now i am the hippest of all three of all three of you is joe jonas. I am the hippest of all three. Hey i did this and if we're going to spill the t you guys got to be up to date on things. Okay come on now spill the t. another one that is at another euphemism for sex. No it's not okay okay jesus. I seriously it's it's you know let's let's english. Let's dish. Let's wrap. Let's talk about this. Let's let's spill. My daughter will say to me. She's six. She's sixteen. It's a it's a team. That's where there's where the gap where the gap -at's exists. Let's sip see that spilled a you've got teenage. It's disclosing information my kids. It's spilling her sipping spilling billing spill all the t- o._t. Let's let's dispense about what we're doing right. Now is we're spilling n._f._l. T god let me tell you if i me if i am the the huffing kappa culture right now. This is sad my kids this. This is pathetic. My kids are all out of the house. They're all like in their late. Twenties early thirties and you are the only one with teenage kids scott. It has little kids and i'm dealing with granddaughter so i i don't know spilling tea and cake and by the ocean man taking thank you cake it by the ocean. You'll get kicked by the ocean. It's cake by the ocean. Ryan fitzpatrick was literally eating cake by the ocean pound cake got it. Does it bother you that you have a sixteen year. Old daughter and you know cake by the ocean right now does that i see is that bothers. I wanna get me mad. Yeah your daughter talk about kicked by the ocean do and then you learned about it now. Do you know how does she argues komo. Those things never ever right. She's a good girl. She is your girl. Hey girl she's a good girl. I'm just saying you got teenage kids. We don't we move on life. Life was in this podcast. I don't wanna be in trouble with your misses all right okay good that much more serious conversations but rosen. Here's like but rosen yeah come on. I mean dude. What does it say that. He can't beat out ryan fitzpatrick. It's patrick like ryan. Fitzpatrick been around. I know the ryan fitzpatrick a smart guy and a really good team mate and he's he has these moments where he's just lights out for three or four or games right and then he's just like just falls off the just falls off the map so anyhow the fact that you're in your second year you're on your second team and you can't beat out ryan fitzpatrick who they pulled off off the couch who they pulled off the beach because he was eating cake there boom boom waiting. I mean how i see how it tied at all things up so fast you are. I'm just not counterculture man. You come around fast telling speaking doc. I'm old right i this is. I'm old like this how old i am so my wife asked me to go upstairs and have sex the other day. I and i said i can't do both can either go upstairs. I can have sex we get done right here. Stairs a million of home a you just kidding that didn't happen deeply chartered territory here. Maybe the endless ended on that note okay. This was not our best effort. There is some solid parts there some solid parts. It's so wait until the headline trust me. We'll get people to how long they'll stay but they'll tune in ah lord exhibitions. Are we ready for some football or not. I i have a hard time. I believe we don't have a sponsor all right as everybody involved in the program for mike for scott myself. Thank you so much for listening listening <hes>. Please don't tell our wives about this new episode episode because we're gonna get in trouble <hes> and <hes> subscribe on youtube in. Please share it with all your friends. Thank you so so much. 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When you're getting your ass kicked drafting ... - Episode 15

Joe Schmo HR

56:50 min | 2 years ago

When you're getting your ass kicked drafting ... - Episode 15

"And welcome schmos how you doing big guy scott farrar back in the lab again with another podcast episode foyer. We're doing a live draft in a yahoo who liam n._p._r. Twelve team. I got the first pig i've been getting a lot of early picks. I'm excited about ninety seconds of the first the first pick let's see i'm trying to see if everybody's in the in the the room here. It looks like we got all twelve and i'm ready to go. Oh i got asked to be in this league because a you know i i'm not amateur. I'm not i'm not a rookie at this. So <hes> you know well it it. It bodes well for me. I can't wait run. Talk about everything that's going on. In the draft allies as as it happens we had about fifty the seconds to my pick on just doing some smacktalk man following show social media at sports <hes> twitter instagram the facebook group. <hes> you know joe schmo sports. <hes> also live now. We're live on youtube so follow us on youtube. Take a look can't wait <hes> you. I'm already ask guys you know. Shy take gronk. I <hes> giving them a little. Oh shit. They don't know me. They don't know how draft so you know. We'll see we'll see what happens. Got fifteen seconds adrift starts us and yeah. I got the first first one so i'm gonna go todd gurley here with with my pick might take a little time to make make it look like i'm thinking about it but i'm gonna talk. Girly i think even if you can't not take a stud running coming back so you know goggle for it so i'm gonna go girly in couple seconds as i mean i know you can go and tonio brown <hes> but still i would still go top five so drafting girly here ago and now o._b._g._y._n. O._b._g._y._n. I liked the name he's up and <hes> we'll see see what goes on. We're doing a amid fifteen. I think this draft is go a little a little on these guys like to take your time apparently from what i've heard so take barkley go second off the board. I've got i gotta actually tech somebody about that <hes> because they called it. I think it's funny and i think that and we're going to pause for a second and we're back schmo. Sorry about that delay. It's actually <hes> it's actually been going quite quite quick a lot of people off the board. <hes> i think a little early i think he went number seventeen but these guys are ballers so i'm going to go up so so i <hes> so we went saquon barkley second lake on bell third david johnson fourth antonio brown v the andre hopping six zeke seventh the old dell a cream hunt naive albuquerque tenth melvin gordon eleventh julio jones twelve hundred four net thirteenth michael thomas fourteenth a._j. Green fifteenth keenan allen sixteenth gronk seventeenth devante freeman eighteenth <hes> dowden coke nineteenth mccaffrey twentieth three kill twenty first <hes> and to pick until i'm drafting devante adams mike gavin's or stolen the board <hes>. Let's see stefan. Digs goes at twenty seconds on one more and then it's my pick. I got a swing back-back so i'm going to see who's here and aaron. Rodgers goes so my first pick. Let's see my first pick. Nick is definitely going to be davante adams. Obviously i'm a green bay homer but that's beside the point. <hes> draft devante do need a big play wide receiver <hes> and gosh. What should i do next. I don't really like mike evans sir sir. I really don't like mike evans. Let's see what other running backs are available. I don't like the running backs right now. I'm not a fan of mike evans. I think i'm going to have to take him though because that's all i got since i'm gonna wait. I'm gonna go with larry fits. He's a slot guy. He's a number one. I think i'm jumping the gun on him but i'm going to do anyway so davante. Adams larry fits by the way the positions are one q._b. Three riders cevers two running backs two tight end one flex the defence a kicker and let's see one two three four five six pence bots so mike evans goes next i. I knew i knew you would be up. There just haven't really been a big fan of them. They keep he keeps talking without you know they keep talking about producing different things and this that and the only thing. I don't know just just wasn't there for me. I know i picked aw fits probably a couple of picks ahead of me. Maybe a little early. Maybe you know he. He went like fourth round but i needed to do what i needed to do their tie t. y. Hilton still on the board <hes> so i really wasn't look into to pick up him. I don't wanna go tight end just yet <hes> speaking tight end. Travis kelsey goes twenty seven. I like kelsey. I like jordan. I like gronk. Obviously jordan gets injured too. Much can't really deal with that. <hes> calc- i think i don't know what mahomes going to do. I'm unsure about mahomes on like everybody else that i seem to know but again i'd rather go back. Maybe get a middle middle of the road tight end for a better value. I'm always a value pick kind of guy and the guy who picked <unk> evans's saying. I hope you left adams and i'm just letting them know that i am in an order of the green bay franchise. I do own one share of the the green bay packers for two hundred dollars. I wanna share the voting rights. I get i get access to special things. <hes> i also get stock which is which is really cool and that went to putting up the new jumbotron the new lights five or six years ago actually more than probably eight years now two thousand ten i think the last stock offering <hes> <hes> howard off the board and mixing off the board mixing isn't too bad. I like come coming off with the twenty ninth. Pick here. I think he'll be better <hes> and he will stand even took him standard of my league the second pick but he kind of fell to me so i took him. <hes> adam feeling goes now. I know he's injured. I don't think it's serious. I think it's questionable. <hes> him and stefan digs dealing. Has that slot thing digs. Has that deep ball <hes> they they look good together. I think you're gonna look really good with her cousins as much as i hate to say it being a green bay fan. It's today's date. They are dangerous team over there so let's say i still got like seventeen picks on my turn and my buddy nikki was he's right. These guys take their frigging time holy crap. I don't know the i think about <hes> pretty simple. I think it is what it is again t._y. Health install on the board. I think right not to helton's everybody's best pickup. <hes> uh-huh zach on the board juju smith schuster shawn mccoy kenyan drake and tom brady goes quarterback. Tom brady all right. I'm i'm a i'm. I think i'm going to sit on quarterback unless somebody really falls to me and the sixers seventh somebody really good. I wait juju. Smith schuster goes thirty. We second overall and let me check out some of these teams here so the guy that's my team. Can i see his team now so <hes> little flex pig of odell beckham doodoo smith schuster and gronk. That's not too bad. I definitely think he's going to be in shock when <hes> he doesn't have any running backs though it was tough. I mean unless you're on mccoy. Something might happen but you have to go. You know you just have to deal with it. <hes> you know if if you went mccoy here or even kenyan drake that's not bad. I think jay jay here would be too early. <hes> and amari cooper goes thirty third overall <hes>. We're going to have a lot of receivers. Thank god receivers deep since they got back to backpacks. Maybe i'll go with tight end a little earlier on the board a highly doubt he will be on the board next fourteen picks. Most of these guys seem mike pro is they're. They're picking good not too many questionable like you know over. The top picks although picking picking picking rogers early with a little crazy and t. y. Hilton goes off the board. That's a good pick i think he i think you should pick. I think you should go in front of a mark super inducement schuster. That's just me. I know people have injury luck kind of going crazy. You know it is what it is. I think still still do well adam. Adam's adam's rogers going twenty third overall. I'm not sure that's a tough one again. That's another one that's the outs collins. Colin goes starring back baltimore ravens thirty fifth. That's your rapper. That's your now. That's are you guys have the same emoji now up to a raft wraparound pick so we're gonna see what happens here. Chris hogan still on the board. Thomas is still on the board lord. <hes> let's see more miller with shawn mccoy derrick henry j. j. chris hogan. I'm gonna try target chris hogan but there's a lot of talk about them. You you know so he might go ahead of of what i'm looking for. Which you know you're gonna if somebody takes him. Somebody takes the backups. We'll see who's there to be quite honest honest but i do like hogan here right now on the board. I mean doug baubles already injured. He's probably the number one writer either stolen the board not sure what's going to happen here. Let's see if this guy auto pissed off and picks golden tate on the first dozen the wrap. It took them a long time to make that on tape pick. I mean look at his team. Real quick leonard for net who he'll jones golden tate. You probably could've baldwin here. You have julio jones. Baldwin is is is injury prone. Any tanks hurts. I mean for its fell to me. I want to take him in the fifth but he didn't so you know what are you gonna do. I still think right now between doug all than jarvis landry mary's thomas chris hogan and doug baldwin goes. He's injury prone by you know he's he's up there on so things are starting to move a little faster unsee right now as damaris thomas. That's over jarvis landry. Even though i think case keenum really likes emmanuel sanders mary thomas is still a number one over there. He's gonna catch passes. That's sustain. This is what it is so bongos thirty eighth. Urge goes thirty seven and take the thirty six for the wraparound. Pick like. I said collins running back in baltimore. When thirty fifth we got thirty seconds fourth round is to thirty ninth. Pick nine picks until i'm ready to go and this is going slow as all get out. Rex burkhead goes off the board sexy rexy. I liked that but you definitely have to pick sony shell as handcuff birkhead does catch passes out of the backfield so does sony michelle but i think sony michelle is going to be more of the goal line guy what i'm understanding such three nine royce freeman in the recently named starting quarterback starting quarterback starting running back in denver goes off the border for years so i'm assuming these guys had not taken good two running backs in the beginning thus they're they're. They're looking for running backs now. Once speaking of i i need to get another running back. Saw probably go. Why does he running back here just to see what's going on and as far as running backs go sean mccoy kenyan drake you're there. I'll probably if anything goal is shawn mccoy. I know he's injured questionable. What does that really mean you know he he was on exempt list. You know he's gonna play. I russell wilson goes forty. I so if i have a my way i would probably go damaris thomas on the sean mccoy if if it if it really is the one to i russell wilson milder money leading i i told you guys in previous podcasts <hes> he got the sticks around <hes> so why not take him in the sixth round of tintin. You know so that's that's almost where he went now. You know it's really the beginning of the fifth round now in twelve team so you know that's not a bad pickup. Kenyan drake goes off. Shawn mccoy goes so. I'm gonna have have to see what's going on with my eye running backs here. Let's see if the mary thomas falls to me for picks so russell wilson forty first kenyan drake forty second with shawn mccoy forty third. My only question is do. I take jimmy graham. I am a green bay homer but i honestly i would rather have a great also as this guy's waiting till the and chris hogan goes off the board so that's there goes my fight with between two maritimus. Thomas chris hogan jarvis landry off the board. The mayor's thomas is definitely going to go. I have a feeling gonna go on. I'm and then going to see thomas and yes derrick henry henry sarah and more mills there and honestly i rather probably have miller miller. I think he just more pass it out of the backfield. You know he's had zero competition competition so i might go freeman here. We'll see what happens now the guy who's taking wrong every time i talk about it. <hes> you know something happens. So is what is this is the nice boring part where i'm trying to the conversation between rounds j. giant egos and we'll see what happens and jimmy graham went so that makes the decision that much easier on a draft maria's thomas. I'm then going to look for a running back. I'm going to go lamar miller here at my running back so nearest homage with the forty eighth memorial with the forty ninth currently my eighteen <hes> has davante adams larry fitzgerald damaris thomas wide receivers todd gurley miller at running back. I still have an open. Q._b.'s flat and open open tight end slot and open flex spot open kicker opened defenses six bench positions available right after miller cam. Newton goes <hes> so i guess the quarterback ron on starting i i i ha- i feel i can wait on it to get one. I think i'll probably be going quarterback tight end combo at some point not stack but you know in the next couple of a couple of rounds. That's we'll have to go back to back and then i can go deep with my wide receivers levers and a couple more running backs around on my team see marvin jones detroit goes and ingram tight end from the giants go off. Apparently this is a giant's heavy team so you know but these guys look like they're what they're doing so glad to be drafted him at one on the senate a friendly tax to my body fox's mac. 'cause you know that's what we do. Sometimes around here oxen smack so marvin jones like i said and then ingram i will be back. Get something to drink onto your hats. I'll be right back most and after ingram out romney tim the wide receiver calbos. Josh gordon sean jackson bego. I'm really not high on tampa bay really really no hi josh gordon at this point <hes> greg olsen tight and i really wanted. I knew he was going to go but i really wanted to depending on what i think i can get a quarterback or maybe going marshawn lynch here. You know i'm a big fan of of marshawn in in <hes> in any format to be quite honest. I know he's not gonna catch balls but he's not. He doesn't really need to catch balls. He <hes> he's already run into the ground there. I'm excited i think chucky to they used big time very excited. Dammit and i was just talking about him and he goes on pissed off so now i've got to rethink my the thing here shawn watson to be goes off the board so maybe i will be going back to q._b. And see what's the best available these guys go slow as all get out. You know we had a an interesting practice today. We'll talk a little bit about my in my youth program. We had a apparently some issues with some. Some kids and you know things are sending. It's funny how you know back in the day when when you know i'm gonna do. I walked to school till both ways when she was on five. Whatever the back in the day you know you didn't hand people kid gloves and nowadays you'd be too especially kids twelve and unders as you know. It's a big responsibility. Brandin cooks goal is with the sixtieth. Pick amount big financial breeze on the wraparound goes with the sixty first it but you know you're gonna have situations where you know i i correct the kid today and he was a real jerk about it and talk back and i told him you know he. He's like all i could. Just quit what i wanted do and i said you know you. Can't you know i'm not holding you hear this gang other thing. Maybe it wasn't the right thing to say. Maybe it was the right thing. Say come refined out later that other things went on <hes> corey. Davis goes <hes> number sixty second overall on him <hes> but like i was saying apparently simone things went on in practice with him in a bunch of the teammates and that's what got in his head. It's an interesting <hes> looking psychology about how you know this type of these types of kids. You know we have a very diverse group of kids. Kids who play before could never played before. It's each kid you have to motivate the different way in their some. Some kids already know by just a few short months. You know i know i can kinda ride adam and motivate them in this kid's a new kid and everybody's trying to <hes> the your theorem out and <hes> you know i i i do too. You and i have to change my skills up a little bit. You know it's not like i was screaming and yelling going off at the kid but this this he's like a gamer. He's very very competitive so i thought if i throw it back at him maybe we'll see what's going on but apparently that was the case so now i know i have to treat him a different way like i said it's just a learning curve the second year youth coach obviously don't everything. I don't pretend to on asking questions of the other coaches you how i should list how she let so <hes> it's interesting is a little side note. Marquess goodwin at a san francisco goes sixty third. I had him last year. One of my redraft league's pick him up off the waiver wire in the no the season and he did me well. I learned through the playoffs yeah a lot of big touchdowns leave. You had that one big touchdown. Unfortunately the after his child passed away <hes> i believe he had a child in a chop pass away very quickly very sad and he had like a big league ninety yard touchdown grab your show that that was good to see a little bit just to see a guy come and play a game and not have to worry about life for a little bit and make a big play and that's really what it's all about so i was glad to see that <hes> muhammad's new <hes> the wide receiver atlanta goes and calls heidi the number one running back to cleveland gets picked up on an emmanuel sanders denver like i said i was high on a manual sanders in. I know it's only preseason but case keenum seeing the look for him. I think case keenum so if i position there so you know that's that's where that is coming up. I think i'm gonna go wide receivers. I mean derrick. Henry has fallen to me so maybe actually go derrick henry not really sure if i go derrick henry mike van gogh coober cop. I think he's gonna be a p._r. Stud and then i can. I can wait on quarterback again so chris carson goes a seattle running neck. I think he's locked up that position in seattle. I think that opens up his running opens up. Jamie's winstons the winstons. We'll have to wrestle wilson's running a little tired. It's been a long day so those guys feed off of each other in a line. That's not particularly really good with the console block. Well really get to the outside so sixty seven chris carson. I'm glad i'm glad that this that seattle seattle finally <unk> sorted out there running back stable there and now have real hierarchy touch and go there for a couple of seasons and derrick henry gets taken off the board hoping he'd come to me but he didn't. Let's see sixty eight derrick. Henry sixty nine will fuller the houston wide receiver. Devin functions goes off the board at seventy if i'm very disappointed in funchess being michigan fan. I believe he wasn't ready for the n._f._l. Now i believe he was a baby last year michigan about not wanting to get hurt thing another thing when you're there to play ball just play ball. You know you can get get hurt right now. You cross your street and by bus happens. I think that <hes> you really you know really show you something that right. You know he was so crazy about not getting hurt not getting hurt and then his first few seasons have been terrible and he wasn't ready. Learn the system any quickly often. It doesn't make the play all right. Sammy watkins in for the seventy first pick now. It's my turn on the turn. I'm gonna go delaney walker. I mean curtly apparently he's injured. I'm not going to go to laney walker. I'm going to go michael crabtree and then i'm going to go. Oh guber cup. I think who were cops going to be <hes> stud this year. I don't trust how injuries i gotta be honest. Jordan reed always has never seems to work out so i'll forego delaney walker and if he comes back to me maybe i'll get them. I'm not really high on them. So definitely you know next round and looking quarterback looking tight end so i took lay said sammy watkins devin funchess went uh-huh uh-huh seventieth semi walking seventy. I my crazy seventy-second coober cup semi third. I got crabtree and come back back. I'm like i was saying about funches. He really this out on his last year michigan. I was hi my name. Even when he had the drops i was high mighty on them. Very disappointing on molliems goes green bay running back. That's a good pickup. I don't know if aaron jones will take the starting role there while looms looks like he solidified the number one. They're maybe i'll take aaron jones as a flyer in the end here. <hes> molars pass catcher georgia's electric full electronic electrifying player by still. I feel like williams has the higher floor. Sorts toss up there. <hes> let's talk when even being you know a quote unquote green bay insider just because i followed him a lot as tough situation. I think joe being suspended the first couple of games for four games. I'm really show they can lean onto molliems or not. I'm i'm surprised they haven't moved to montgomery back to wide receiver. I mean tide montgomery davante. Adams drawn wow soon randall cobb then moved dan dan move time montgomery back to receiver. Maybe they could've traded a really really trade. Stafford comes up seventy fifth russian with kirk cousins on the board stafford comes off. Let's see rob anderson york. Jets wide receiver off the board really targeting kirk cousins in my next pick if nobody takes him or we'll we'll see it's gonna go what what's gonna happen. If the lady walker drops me at this point i might just take him. I think he's better than burton. I think forbids obits. He's not gonna be able to really hit a safety valve in burton and the jacksonville defense comes off the board. That's that's early. Seventy seventh seventh-round who maybe the eleventh with jesus christ and robert woods the l._a. Receiver he's another boomer bus type of guy. I i think a lot of targets. I think probably prove out to like eighty seventy. Five eighty catches cambridge thousand yards. Possibly he'll be he'll be up there so that's an ice pick up p._r. Saw and he's another one. I think he'll get a they'll get targets receptions out of san francisco with jimmy d. Do i trust me g not particularly but you know beggars can't be choosers either so that's let's jacksonville with the seventy seventh. Pick robert was with the seventy eighth m._p._r. Sawn with the seventy ninth pick now. I still sixteen picks a ways to go a raised real. Let's talk a little bit about colin. Kaepernick came out concha panic and nike teamed up in the have the you know the campaign the all that people are burning their nike stuffing and and honestly what i feel is. I don't think they should be protesting that way but it is a right to protest in that way. I think i've said it before on the podcast and i think it's people are allowed to protest by burning doing the stuff i don't you know i think it's kinda stupid but listen more power to you. If you're gonna protest i don't mind making i do think that colin kaepernick was overly disrespectful to all police officers out. I think that's right either. I know there are some police officers. That aren't the best people out there just like somebody family. Accounts aren't the best people out there and some doctors aren't the best people you know it happens you know i think he was overly rude. Rude to the police officers and i think you know <hes> obviously tames didn't want him on their team because distraction now. Is there some type of collusion. Is it eat technically illegal. I don't even know i i don't i don't get it. I don't know i don't know i'm not a lawyer can collusion so nelson nelson agra when eightieth and alshon jeffery eighty i i know jeffrey to miss the first three games at least <hes> by with an eighty i pick you're still getting gene pretty much a number one wide receiver hopefully when you come back you know ninety walker off the board so i'm going to have to target somebody else with a the second pick <hes>. I don't know what to think you know. I don't know the law so i'm not sure if it's exactly illegal if no guy wants to have <hes> you know to to make him employees. They don't have too long as they're not. <hes> you know discrimination based on race or gender or age you know technically you don't have to employ somebody want to and i think it's it's the him not playing his has done more his 'cause. I think that's what he wants. I mean he was offered them back in denver news like aw that's really nothing but still on the team. If you love football that much you would have taken the spot and they they're giving you a one year. Prove it and you could have won the freemen job. I mean they didn't say you. They said at this point. We're giving you this too because we have a guy we think we like but if you were cardiff practice you'll take it so i'm confused as to why you did it tevin coleman allman and mark ingram goal on the wrap around eighty fourth and eighty fifth pick <hes> ten picks until my turn so we'll see what's going on so and burton chicago title goes. I might be going cousins and kyle rudolph here. I i am high on route off. Cousins like to likes to throw to a tight end and we still have kerryon johnson available to running back but honestly honestly i need <hes> i go a little deeper my running backs here. It's law. I'm going to have to go titan in cuba here to stay in the hunt and then running backs receivers the rest the way and that's that <hes> i think my bench is going to be a little the lighter than i expected. A lot of guys i thought would fall went early on june almond off the board. He suspended four games with an eighty seven. Th pick had you not get shit. Shit kirk cousins goes off the board. They goes the quarterback. I really wanted him so. I'm not happy about that. I'm going to see if he went to a. Let's get a team now. He went to a team that does not have another tight end are another quarterback or other shit. They just going to pick up. Matt ryan and i'm going to go off in cairo. Goes off the board. God damnit all guys in targeting even taken off the board. I'll probably have to go new joke here c._f._c._s. there there. I'm going probably matt ryan and the joke. Let me check my quarterback radio. Quick yano al know is. I'm going to have a tough pick on. I go jack doyle. Be quite honest means a shit show here. Maybe i should just go. You know what i think. I'm going to change it. Couple kerryon johnson faults me take them and then randall cobb slow on the board. I might take into and you look goes second. Blah powell goes ninety third two more a fixing. It's my turn tavis. Murray goes skies has taken his sweet ass time so andrew luck ninety second pick law power with nine hundred pickens habeas murray minnesota for the ninety fourth pig jordy jordy nelson oakland raider goes with the ninety fifth pick and i'm going to draft kerryon johnson here on then randall cobb and live the fight to find a q._b. Tynan another day desperately next time. We'll see jack doyle. Maybe falls to me right acne. Sterling shepherd goes with the ninety eighth. I'm a big fan of david joke who george kettle jack doyle awaiting on those guys. I know hello george. Kennan was injured. I think he returned to practice today tuesday. We separated shoulder in the opener. I think he was limited. According to what they're saying dan but he's looking to make a good leap. Jimmy g. likes on so he's got a target now to have another running back back and wide receiver kenny stills sophomores. Let's <hes> canto kerryon johnson ninety six ninety seven than <hes> startling shepherd comes off on the k. stills out of miami the ninety nine th pick i think cops and have a bigger year than most people think i know he's on the block but honestly don't think he gives two shits seems like the type of guy that he just wants to play see rishard. Matthews comes off at the one hundredth pick. I'm not really high on jordy nelson just 'cause. I don't know i haven't heard anything about his standing with david car so <hes> sorry. I'm just reading something on cobb. People said he was going to be cut on think. He's gonna be cut. They spot solidified there in that slot on the davante adams. Everybody tined. You're on allison by think toronto alison while he's begging run that slot. I don't think he rubs routes as well as cobb. I know cobb. <hes> does have chronic ankle problems but you know this is why he's a guy so sharp. Matthews goes one hundred then <hes> john dachshund the washing out at one hundred one shoot jack doyle. Oh one of my targets for tight end goes to adrian peterson going at one. Oh three rashard penny seattle running back picked up on one of four. I know he's questionable and he's also shows. The backup didn't really have that good of a preseason either so it's kind of a tough tough thing to square away. Let's see the the people targeting currently david giokoo quarterback probably going to go matt maggie the ice on. I really don't wanna go carson wentz because that means a half draft another quarterback so at this point. I have one two three four. Five six. Seven more picks me one. Two three four must be best boss. Yes seven bits and carson. Wentz go off the board back to back at what else five six alum high on wentz if he comes back but i mean he hasn't even been cleared. Come back yet so he's definitely missed the first game so it's a little weird arm. Arm river is is is seems to be perennial top ten quarterbacks lots of good pick kieran cold jacksonville wide receiver a good sleeper. Pick goes goes. I like that pick up at seven <hes>. I'm high on him. Nobody's people i know are on him so let's pick up and he's projected in starting week. One so once marquee sleep went down on. I think it was it was going to be between <hes> coal moncrieff. Yeah i don't trust moncrieff as much as i trust call. I could pick up a ben. Rothlisberger goes at one eight and maybe i'll take jimmy g. I haven't been high on him. You can always stream a stream so i'm not too worried. If something within happens showing show goes that would that would have been a nice pickup eventually but i'm kind of stuck here. Alex smith is still on the board. You know maybe maybe i take alex smith here. I think he'll do things when we go back to my ranking your ass. That's one guy. I forgot about to be quite honest. Ben rothlisberger goes away awaits. Tony michell one nine on nine alfred morris goes <hes> andrea tenth and duke johnson goes out one hundred eleventh and we got a nice as f._u. About somebody about i don't know about johnson your what when i'm going to ask somebody who's reading. Somebody's mind see if i can answer here tyler i for goes high. Hi ed and we have david and joe coon george hill on the board. That's a little weird i d._j. More the carolina panthers singles next so after goes one twelve and d._j. More are thirteen pissed out a he was pissed off by the do johnson she isn't it happened some. She's an avid antonio. Antonio gates at pat mahomes go on ohio. I feel about gates right now. They that was lazy. Pick up. I mean you can go fire with him. Really pain aimed. Barbara goes still new tight end and quarterback so it's between mattie ice and i might have to go jimmy g. Here worry about some worry about that stuff later. Shoot out. Smith goes off the board i was i ain't him up. Kelvin benjamin goes off board at one eighteen one pick and then next among mama. I'm on deck hand. People are talking to chat nassau vist with them. I guess the guy in front of me still waiting face a loss ageless defense. Let's so i'm gonna go with jimmy g. At quarterback i'm gonna go with joke tight tight end and move on from there jordan arena sloan aboard. I'm not a big fan of he's too much of a liability so i would asia. I'm not really high on him. I think this is my biggest fire. I'm taking is jimmy g. Everybody else you know. I think he's a back end q._b. One i think he's i think he's back one but you know i waited on quarterback because quarterback with deep. I think on my next wraparound and they're still there. Jones looks like he's still available in my pick him up on that. I might be i in kennedy golladay mini tron as they call the draft this holiday i don't they drafted yeah. Wealth day on all because i'm tired guys real tough lag is i thought would be there weren't but they also jumped jumped at in these guys so was evaluated there. I mean let's see according to yahoo. They do like a standings and right now. I'm in seventh place. I think that's bullshit. Oh you know give points based on what it is total points and and like. I have one quarterback so that kind of that. I only get points. Fencing quarterback in the first place is obviously getting adding points because he has to quarterbacks his aaron rodgers and that ryan so why you need to pick up matt ryan now is beyond me but all right. I think this this this traffic was more of <hes> canidae went on so pissed off so let me go back to a couple of picture way so act my joker peck maniacs goes one twenty second. Tagging junior goes one twenty third jordan are- goes one twenty four. You have many candidate with one twenty fifth. John ross was one twenty. Six next was on twenty. Seven around jones's second goes one twenty eight. Let's see i have kabiriti. That's a nice pick up at one twenty nine. I was on him to. He's on my list. I still have three bench. Positions can't defense available. I really really thing my need to ask screwed up on what you guys are seeing on youtube areana. What shot was enough to begin with but it wasn't so okay. Let's go back. Calvin rudely say one twenty nine. Mike williams wide receiver out of l._a. Chargers one thirty s left thirteen more picks again. I need <hes> depth the wide receiver death that running back defensive kickers all we're gonna see what's going on. Now is air crowell stall on the board. I think he'll he'll be good. Stays condemn c._j. Goes d._j. Elvin goes one thirty one. Three two on a high anderson cafes not all calves. They're out think anderson's lena baulch much. I do think it was a little bit of noise when they're talking about getting mccaffrey three hundred touches new whatever <hes> but still i miss oh defense off award guinness early have colonized. There might grow <unk> crow l. a. jones see what i could do for wide receiver after that. Pick up my defensive. I kick her in be draft so excited. This was a good one. That was a long tax more. This is going to be a good league. The bench small looks nice now out of room for any way to haven't checked out this is fab- or or how the agency he works avenue honestly decided knowing that the draft was how much the buying was. I haven't really asked let me let me ask <hes>. Let's see minnesota goes. Los angeles goes after goes to defense is going. I think i'm going to be able to pick up my guys. I want to defense may when you championships in the n._f._l. N._f._l. but they rarely really when you defenses championships in fancy marlin macos indiana indianapolis running back doc. It's nice pickup older. He's six months parker on the injured wideout for miami with thirty seven bag pick gin so at six six. My turn in the in the draft is really bogging. Now you know so like i was saying with these drafts that are these draft standing cookie getting kind of bullshit because you don't use to quarterbacks. This isn't to correctly so is the quarterbacking ninety points. I have one of the highest total water. She points <hes>. Tom had a pretty high total running back. Frank gore goes off the board at one thirty eight thirty nine. It's getting closer closer and closer to me. Oh george kettlebells off the more. That's a good pick up that late on telling you know like i said i was kind of item but the joker there i think i have. They're about the same joke. Omega come more targets especially if <hes> mayfield's in there. I think he'll want to check down a little more. Rada goes one forty four in the defense one forty second. I'm on deck. Mike mike wallace. The philadelphia eagles gonna one forty three so now when they come i running backs is air crowell aaron jones and the flyer would be back around to me again. I'm going to see who who the best wide receiver available is up and then a defensive kicker. Let's see at my white outs who's available allen on her and chris godwin anti miller and john round. Let me look at my iraqis. I might take john nelson here. As a last-ditch green bay effort so i took is air quality one forty four and joan at one forty five in my wraparound goff goes one forty six seems to me guys that went w._b. Mislead not quite sure why actually one guy to four quarterbacks. This is a development. I realized it took four quarterbacks. That's kind of fucking crazy having to pick between the two now i am in a vampire of empire. Only i took two quarterbacks because i'm not allowed to trade or get anything off the waiver wire because i'm not the vampire so i could see going multiple quarterbacks in that geography going multiple quarterbacks to quarterback league but that four quarterbacks one teams <unk> ridiculous especially when you pick down rogers in the second round and then cam newton then met mattie isaac jared goff. That's a little crazy. I'm school back and forth with with my somebody who's league <hes> shoot drawn morale's goes dammit. I want alison <hes> legare bongos at one forty seven union in noon while the jets. That's one eight drawn. Laos degree may want to see her. I was targeting goes one forty nine. Do you mind benard who is a good backup. Joe mixing does has catch passes one fifty so i'm going to have to rethink what's going on here. My wires ears thick. I'm just gonna go with chris godwin. I think i am a flyer but somebody's gonna hate goes. <hes> iran goes hira. Williams knows the chargers <hes> doodoo. I'm going to have a hard decision. As far far as my last priming hearns is up here. May i guess i have to take her because he just wanted to year deal. He is going to be the number one in dallas. I suppose rose. I think i'm gonna get back to the hearns on impair defense and then eventually pick a kicker and then go to bet and i'll be happy breakdown this draft <hes> sometime over the weekend podcast episode because guys like listen to all my stuff. Aja brown goes one fifty four overall michael gallup goes number fifty five overall. I that's a weird pick because i believe like i i said is the number one so. I don't know why you're going to pick him over. Her turns. It hearns is getting the thing targets shit on her goes dan. I was asleep woah more now. I think i'm going to have to go chris godwin. He's if he if godwin. Let's see i've got one is is there my town. I come back mrs this these ads going nice and slow. They're really taking their time and this long painful draft and danny amendola the dollar fifty nine pick and guide. You're saying i've mentioned about all the stuff yeah milosevic. He's on miami right now. I don't know what you you know. His deal is currently not somebody targeting so i'm not really worried about it goes. They're reading my frigging mind. I think i'm gonna go with james conner here. He's still on the board. He might be some trade bait at some point. You know i could see why was he reserved on the waiver wire her later on on our going defenses kickers going greg germline defense james connor if he's still available. I don't think these guys are thinking about <hes>. I'm just waiting for picks next term then the pick a defense and then pick a kicker probably gonna go with lots <hes> he's on new england england. He is probably gonna be on high scoring offense. I knew i said it a million times. Ontario goes with one hundred sixty fifth. Pick yen guys just keep taking quarterbacks act like it's style <unk> tied in goes. Let's see ben rothlisberger injuries ron team. If you have drew brees think really needed you too wrapping office burger. What each his own. I guess has really taken this time. I don't know who's looking at gostkowski wrestled james connor texas defense defense and then now pick up a kicker well wait twenty two picks and pick up a kicker and closes bad boy and go to bed <hes>. I think i had a decent draft looking back in it. I think i have a good bench. <hes> picking up gene james connor not bad play. I don't know how long will be out but even if bells out if if you know conner only starts two or three games and maybe on comes comes back <hes> james connor was catching six essex seven six eight passes in the preseason. He'll good with the catches so i still think there's some third now potential. Maybe some flex potential. I if you need to start him so overall. All i think about my draft not not too badly. <hes> excited about defense going with houston. <hes> not not not bad. I think you know the defenses. No definitely get you more but you know decent d._c. Defense like bortles goes off at one seventy. I guess this guy. You're still picking up. Quarterback is going in style dez bryant the free agent wide out going one seventy one. Lou orleans defense off the call off the board justin tucker. Now people questioned that as brian pick and yet bortles peck was weird. I was just telling them. I do have desk stashed in a dynasty but i wouldn't touch you to redraft needham chicago. Defense goes one forty one seventy four like i was saying the previous podcasts even want cleo mac and all the really ups their value as much as people think they're really going slow picking echina- reaches now and the guy who has four using them as leverage for a wide receiver running back later in trade which is fine but i just don't think you need to know is what it is about it especially for like crazy. You know someone is going to need to pick up a q._b. That's true. Some people are going to get injured but still i wouldn't waste my time. I'll i'd rather flex somebody off the waiver wire or make a trade with with somebody. I'm sure offer their backup with skype hoarding according to q._b.'s <unk> aunt skull beasley. I'm just take really in the anything of now pittsburgh defense seventy six and like i said i have will lutts queued up i if he comes at me other the new orleans hecker morons have said a million times bruins may have the top scoring defense this year so i'm not you know if if i'm gonna kick got a lot of extra points in lafayette or get down to the red zone. Maybe they didn't score. They have to kick a field goal nice. Carolina defense was one seven seven rationalist. Rationalist guys are really taking their time looking for people scrounging. I'm a surprise a james caan. Go ahead of a whole bunch of people knowing that he's he's. He's pretty much a q._b. One lady on bail out. I know people think they'll come back yet so man. They're really really killing it right now with this waiting to the end of the minute fifteen pick. I know we take a little bit longer average per pick in my other other league. My side messily bought all together kind of deal with it. That brian goes <hes> with one seventy. He waited all that time to pick a map brian. I don't know <hes> is what it is. I'll watch goes so another kicker. I shall need to pick on some last. I'll probably get the last bit ground want lasker. I wanted to how goes let's see one eighty anti mil- than wide receiver ashikaga goes their cargoes. <hes> see jake elliott philadelphia eagles kicker acres goes weighing. One derek cargoes one eighty to dak prescott. Go one eighty three the final eight picks nine picks include mine are going to be this loss of the draft again so weird how this standings are this. I think that grader goes with one eighty four. The kansas city kicker goes. I am concerned second to last place because of the points. I'm gonna the put up <hes> but i feel like with having the most running back points <hes> that's good being right in the middle. Mason crosby goes at one eighty six right in the middle of the <unk> points and good that in points. I'm in the middle alamar jackson. <hes> goes one one eighty seven. There's a lot of guys there's a lot of pets here that i'm really wanted to be on board with <hes> but you know it is what it is to each his own sam darnold <unk> jets quarterback was eighty eight. These guys are really quarterback. Heavy guys relieving so carlson. The soda kicker goes robbie gould goes of course the guy in front of course the guy in front of me went left. The rooms and i have to wait his entire turn for him. The pair guy sure it will auto-pay to kick our online. Take response worth the the <hes>. It's murky so let's talk a little bit more about kickers while we can <hes> they're not gonna make team but you never know <hes>. I've seen guys win because kickers have missed a main kicks. You really don't want to. I wanted to come down to that but i am. The only one left in the entire room waiting for my guy on a pick it from me for three to one. I turned address. You didn't take my kicker. I'll draft my kicker. The draft is complete so guys. Thanks for listening to episode. Thanks for watching on youtube. <hes> glad led united states listen and i will break down this draft next episode. I'll talk a little bit more. <hes> see how the cabinet the cabinet everything shakes out <hes> and see what else is going on. Ram lease thirty days still hockey very excited <hes> and i can't we start talking about season so guys thanks for listening <unk> follows on all social media actual sports. That's twitter and instagram listened to the podcast. That's on itunes stitcher zun spotify google play please subscribe and rate us on federal listen and <hes> they got so much later.

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April 16  Hour 1  Bring Back Rivalries In Sports | DT a Bronco Again?

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April 16 Hour 1 Bring Back Rivalries In Sports | DT a Bronco Again?

"WELCOME WELCOME. Thursday afternoon northern. Colorado this is the whole show powered by energy. Our first advantage text line is three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. You can call us nine seven three five three thirteen ten toll free eight seven seven three five three thirteen ten man. I'm ready for that Michael Jordan documentary coming out on Sunday. That looks really good now. it's going to be more about the last season the the the final season in Chicago. The real final season in Chicago I am. I think this is coming at the obviously the perfect time. I believe it was supposed to be released in late June but because of everything going on we are. We're moving this. Were moving this back or forward and allowing this to happen over the weekend. I think two parts of the the the long documentary will begin on Sunday and it just. I want to talk about this a little bit later but it does now. I was young. It's really just starting to enjoy basketball. But if you you know I was born eighty-six so growing up. Michael Jordan was larger than life for for adults. I'm sure Jordan. Was you know like a like a Tom Brady to me now? He's he's sensational. He's great but as a kid in that time nuggets fan but most of my nineties nuggets fandom they were bad they were one of the worst teams in the NBA so rooting for Michael Jordan and watching the Chicago Bulls was kind of the thing to do. I mean it was. It was bigger bigger than basketball. I mean I can take you back to collecting basketball cards space. Jam All the figure all the action figures. You know you Michael Jordan. I remember when space jam came out. There was like this stand that came out and it had you got to collect all three pieces in and the base it was Jordan Baseball version Jordan basketball version and Jordan Golf version and once I completed that collection it was like. Yeah what what what next you know what to do. And I actually thought you know buying Michael Jordan cards because that was a big card collector. I still have all of my cards still to this day. And I'm thinking you know buying Michael Jordan cards. Someday I'm going to be rich. You know stacking up loading up on these well other than the rare items that you could find they printed more Michael Jordan cards than anything else. So is actually the opposite of that. You know you. It was easy to find a Michael Jordan carton so it was just a crazy time and it's one of those facts where I've told people about Tom. Brady Golden State and Lebron James. All of these larger than life athletes slash franchises. Don't get bored so easy. Don't don't push these guys out the door so many people are too. I remember hearing a on the heard which airs right. After this Program Love Colin Cowherd but Colin was even saying two to three years ago. Lebron it's fine go ahead and retire the NBA's fine without you why we don't. I mean when they're ready they're ready fine but we don't need to get to that point. We don't need to force that out the door. People tired of Tom Brady but I I. I strongly think that you know ten fifteen twenty years from now. You're going to see a documentary on Tom Brady. You're GONNA see that last season in New England and how that went down. Now it didn't end like Jordan's bulls run. Did maybe. He ends his run. Tampa Bay similar to that but still the greatness. That's that's happened. It's so rare to see especially now with with social media and marketing because it's easy for superstars to become popular. It's easy for us to throw around popular and superstar. It's easy for us to throw it. James Harden is a superstar correct but in no way did James Harden changed the game or will change the game like Michael Jordan like Kobe Bryant to be honest with you but I mean Jordan Jordan saved the NBA at a time where the NBA was was was entertaining. There was some great rivalries. But it wasn't I mean we all talk about the Pistons and the older regime likes to talk about the bad boys you know. Well that wasn't always the best basketball. I mean these guys were rough and tough. I remember sky. Hastings was part of that who played for the nuggets too and now does a wonderful job broadcast calling nuggets games. But he mentioned you know. Hey steph curry does that a few times you knock them on the ground. He doesn't do that again. I'll never forget Marlowe play-by-play says well wouldn't that be a foul and that was the thing the pistons were. They were fun and I again. I only know what I know from reading and watching clips and things like that. I did not grow up watching the Detroit Pistons. I watched the tail end of their regime when Jordan finally cracked that code. But I didn't again. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't know about rivalries like that. I sure as hell wish I did. I wish I was involved in that. I wish there was something like that. Now bitter rivalry like that. I mean come on think about this bitter rivalry Colefax Isaiah now. The this is a rumor. It's like an urban legend. But the fact that there's an urban legend about this makes it a rivalry. You know the old freeze out thing. Isaiah. Thomas was allegedly pissed because Michael Jordan didn't acknowledge him in the hotel his rookie year. So Isaiah Thomas went to all the other superstars at the time like Magic Johnson and said freeze 'em out don't give him the ball during the All Star game to hell with Michael Jordan. He thinks he's better than us. He wore his warmups to the dunk contest. And you're not supposed to do that. Who's this rookie? Think he is now. They all denied that Jordan. Isaiah Thomas hated each other like that was fun and I just those are things where I wish I could have been more involved on that but I'm thinking don't forced those guys out the door. I'm not a fan always Lebron James. I think he's over dramatic. I maybe just dramatic. He gets political and listen. I'm not one of those guys. Just dribble the damn ball but when you're in uniform and you're playing. I WANNA see basketball. I WANNA see football. I don't want to see all the other stuff if you WANNA go out and be political outside of that and then that's my choice to follow you ignore you whatever but I don't whatever I can get enough of that but don't force that Kinda guy out the door. Lebron James Love Moghadam hate him. He's one of the greatest players of all time. Tom Brady love him or hate him. He's one of the greatest players of all time so forcing and pushing these guys out the door. You don't know what you got and I mean. Enjoy this way you have it. I'm not saying this is entertaining. Is what the Bulls were. I mean the bowls in that in that when they won those six titles there was. There was drama. There was controversy there. Were rivalries. There was bad blood. You Know Phil Jackson. New IN THAT FINAL SEASON. It was over and even said it to his guys. This is it. They're not bringing me back and Jordan's basically saying then. This is my perfect time to actually retire. And so I mean there was just a lot of really and again these these do come out later. You don't realize how bad situations are. How controversial situation is until a few years later so. I'm excited to see this documentary but I also look at it and think man we just don't have. We don't have that kind of sports store. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. Golden days is sports are behind us. Not Saying that we're in for some really entertaining things going on but Colfax. We aren't a day and age where these guys are pretty friendly with each other for the most part we they're they they're all pretty good friends. Social media allows that texting. But there's no way you're seeing Jordan in Larry Bird on a banana boat hanging out on Vaca- There's there's no way Magic Johnson and Jordan. Her out hanging on. Maybe they golf and hang out now and they buried the hatchet whatever but nowadays you see all these guys are friends and then when they're free agents they're like. Hey let's let's team up. Let's go have some fun and play basketball together. It like that. Kobe Bryant was kind of more or less one of the last bastions of that. It's like no to hell with you. I'm not going to join forces with you. I mean shack. If you WANNA come over here and be part of the Lakers Gray. But we'RE GONNA keep building up here so while this documentary is GonNa be entertaining. It's also going to have me a little hope maybe sad but also hopeful the maybe we can get back to some of these these bitter rivalries again. You know but that's also tough Colfax because the superstars today are so damn likable which you don't thinks a bad thing but we should be hating the chiefs. We should absolutely hate the chiefs but it's hard. Hey Patrick Mahomes isn't it? I mean such a nice dude. It's easy to hate Philip Rivers. Because of the way is but now he's gone so you gotTa have guys in when I say this. We're I know I get it. The world is in Columbia Mode. Right now and I love that I appreciate it. But there's a difference between hate in the real world and hate in sports and I think that we need some of that some of that in the sports world some real rivalries. We just don't have them like we used to anymore. And maybe we start to see some of that. I'm not so sure I venit text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six even though players say they hate Tom Brady as soon as they have an opportunity to stay in next to them. They're like Tom not like that. That's the other thing we do guys take jerseys off after games and do pictures with each other and sign uniforms. I hate that more than you'll ever know Colfax I it just drives me nuts. I I'm not saying I don't want people to be friends and such but I love the fact that like you had Jordan Larry Bird. That was a rivalry and you didn't hear that they were good friends until well after they retired. You know and then you know in space jam their golfing together. You know they're still giving each other a hard time and that's fine once the once the sports wants gone once the smoke clears but I like to have a little bit of that. I don't know that that showmanship so to speak and and and again it was real. This was real Jordan. Hated Isaiah Thomas. I don't know how their relationship is. Now some will tell you. They buried the hatchet. They became good friends. The they just Kinda. They'll be there cordial to one another. But I'm definitely pumped for Sunday. I is text line. Three one nine nine six three one nine nine six. What do you think of our power to play? Sports poll question of the day should the broncos bring Payton or Peyton to marry his time. Yeah Bring Peyton Manning Damaris Thomas back into the fold Thomas Four time Pro Bowl. Receiver did all of that. All of his good with the broncos he was I mean. Dt even though maybe not fee. It doesn't feel like it. He's the second best wide receiver in broncos history. There's Rod Smith and there's marries Thomas. I think two thousand yards behind Rod Smith and yardage and then like eight touchdowns behind him so he was a one or two good seasons away from being the best Broncos wide receiver of all time. But let's make no mistake about it. He's also known for one of the greatest broncos memories of all time and here we go. I nap of the overtime. The broncos event three overtime games this year it's thirty tip overtime against the steelers. I mean the fact that the broncos made it to the playoffs that year was absolutely crazy. I mean you have a team where you started with. Kyle Orton. You end up trading him because you know the Broncos were so so team few games under five hundred you had the crowd chanting. Tibo in the stands. I think John Elway and company that was always first year. I think they finally said you know what? Let's let's give the people what they want. We'll trade ordinary way. We'll tell you brandon Lloyd away and we'll see what happens not really expecting anything in fact. I'm sure there was a part of the broncos at that at that point when they start. Tibo that said. Hey you know best case scenario somehow. Someway he wins. Worst case scenario is probably the best case scenarios. Were so bad. We get a really high pick in the first round. So what happened. You remember magic happened. It was crazy. Tebow had his moments for sure but there were crazy things that happen that year. That was one of them. I mean Pittsburgh goes into that. Mommy Clark doesn't play in that game because of that was that rare disease where he He can't function can't breathe well in In the altitude that actually did affect him and safety so they don't steal don't have him there. There's one on one coverage in the middle of Field Tibo does hit that Rao perfectly. Dt gets arm seal later magic moment overtime game over. Yeah I I absolutely think the Broncos should should bring him back league minimum is for vets. What is it like over a million dollars something like that? I mean I would imagine you could get him for something close to that. So that's our our power to play. Sports poll question of the day lanes has obviously if the price is right. I take me as the veteran status. Which team can use? He would make a great number three. The problem is that it could hurt younger. Wide Receiver Development Brandon says. If he could start catching the ball better he did. Have some some Some issues he wasn't the best when you when you look at his receiving ability. His athletic ability was there. I don't know if I liked how the Broncos used him. The last couple of seasons I was. I agreed with the trade. The trade made sense at that time but I could see him coming back in a small role capacity and I think it would also be kind of a feel good moment for the Broncos team that just saw two of their final guys McMahon. Von Miller laughed but they saw Chris Harrison Derek Wolfe two big pieces to their super bowl years. Go by so I mean if anything. It's almost not necessarily morale-booster for that locker room. But maybe for Von Miller for fans just to have one more guy back and does he still. Have you know something left in the tank? That's the question you know with the jets in nineteen. He played in eleven games. Battling injuries he had thirty six receptions and touchdown production not absolutely awful the year before that when he split between the broncos. And the Texans. He had eighty nine receptions or excuse me fifty five targets eighty nine but he had sixty sixty receptions that year and five six touchdowns something like that. I'd take him for the League minimum. I think it's a feel good story. And he's GonNa Retire Bronco. He'll be a ring famer and Colfax if he turns up man he could if he actually has something else left in the tank. Who knows maybe you see a guy. Dt start to move up a little. So He's nine thousand and fifty five yards receiving. He said his goal is to hit the ten thousand mark. I think only like fifty players of done it at Receiver Sixty touchdowns Rod. Smith ended his career with the broncos at eleven hundred and three hundred eighty. Nine eleven thousand. Excuse me three hundred and eighty nine and sixty eight touchdowns. So he's got his spot there cemented at the top it's really it's it's DT Rod Smith and then Shannon Sharpe the top. Three the restroom. You go down down quite a bit you know. Lionel Taylor and McCaffrey all the six thousand yard range. But Dominica's Thomas has a chance to if the broncos bring him back who knows if he does a one year deal. Maybe a two year deal finds a way to get another thousand yards. Maybe break that touchdown record for the broncos. That's all wishful thinking. I don't know what he has left in the tank. It's Portland Sutton's team at wide receiver. And if the broncos draft Henry Rugs I'd love that and maybe have a DT thrown into that mix suddenly. That's a decent looking wide receiver core your thoughts on that one. Go vote at the whole show dot com. I'll read the results when we come back more on The damaris Thomas and the prospect of HIM BEING DENVER. Bronco just what he meant for. Denver in a strange crossover period from the Tibo to the manning days and then beyond twenty one minutes after the hour. We'll take a short break here. We have a lot to talk about. So we misspoke Edward or we're going to have on the program. I did put that in our teaser. He will be on the program tomorrow. Espn's ED werder. He is a obviously went to the University of Northern Colorado so he has ties here. He's working on a plan right to make him a weekly guest win that. 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They're the second overall pick and they picked von Miller. Well that obviously landed you look down the list though at that year. Two thousand eleven. And I'm going with we're GONNA do some deep research here just looking at this. At the guys that worked out Rahim Moore was the next pick. He was in the Second Round. Pick number forty five. Well I would say more worked out. But he's also known for one of the most miserable broncos. Mary's Thomas One of the most positive moments in broncos history where he more will forever be etched in that Baltimore Ravens broncos game where the ball soars over his head and next thing. You know this this Ravens team is winning this football game and overtime. So that's always going to be a attached to his name Orlando Franklin also in the second round the very next pick for the broncos. He obviously put together some great years for Denver. You go down Nater Irving. Okay Quinton Carter okay. Julius Thomas Basketball player turned football player. That say he worked out. Pretty good for the broncos twenty four hundred yards in just a few seasons for Denver. Thirty six touchdowns I mean that was during that. Peyton manning time when they had a plethora of weapons Mike. Muhammed Virgil Green. And necessarily where Jeremy Bill? So you got two or three guys. That kinda worked out the next year you C- Derek Wolfe Broncos didn't have a first round where they pick Derek Wolfe. Brock osweiler was in that draft. Ronnie Hillman didn't work out. Maliki Jackson Danny Trevathan. So so some of these guys were a part of that Super Bowl when you look at it. Brock Osweiler was a big piece to getting to the superbowl that year. Derek Wolfe obviously a huge piece to that Super Bowl and their success Malaysia. Accident Trevathan so two thousand twelve wasn't terrible. Four of the seven picks that year. They for those guys really contributed to the Bra in order for the Broncos to get to that next level to get to the super bowl the next year semester Williams cave on webster saw those guys. I mean Sylvester. Even though it wasn't maybe the the big Joe he was a first. Rounder didn't live up to those expectations in the first round. Kind of a bust. But he was part of that. Super Bowl. Year wasn't a great draft here that year though two thousand thirteen fourteen was tough because you had Bradley. Roby Cody Latimer. First and second round roby worked out as a nickel and dime but as soon as keep Toledo was gone and they tried to put more. Robie at the number two spot. It didn't work out for him so it's unfair to say. He was a buzzed. He was a part of that. No fly zone really made nowadays. Man Teams are drafting nickel and dime bags like crazy teams. Want to have three solid cornerbacks. It's no longer one really good one one pretty good one one okay. Teams are really trying to build that. In fact VIC FANGIO wants to run more nickel and dime so I would say Bradley Roby was not a bust. He just didn't work out when he moved from the nickel and dime slots to that second. Second Corner Cody Latimer. He didn't work out. Scofield I mean. He was on the starting lineup for quite a while. Matt Paradis Corey Nelson. You look at two thousand fifteen. That was a weird year. Mean Yeah that one basically failed two thousand fifteen was rough. Shane. Ray gets busted because there's marijuana and his back seat Shane. Ray supposed to be a top ten. Pick well because of that and that was like a night or two before the draft so teams backed away. He falls to number. Three Denver takes him but he didn't work out Thais umbrella year or two with Denver didn't form CS. You didn't work out. Jeff Hier men still waiting on that. He has had injuries the whole bay most of his career only five touchdowns in his couple of seasons. It's Max Garcia Trevor. Simian was a part of that dress. So two thousand. Fifteen for the most part yeah. That was a wasted draft that nobody really worked. Out during that draft season. Two Thousand Sixteen big time bust except for Justin Simmons. That was that pick in the third round. So you are still. You're finding nuggets here of guys that are working on now. We're getting better as we progress here. The last couple of drafts have been very good. But Paxton Lynch will will decorate that draft here. Here's the bad thing when you can list off all these names you can look at all these names and talk about who worked out. Who didn't but the bottom line is is. You can almost take every every draft class has somewhat of a story to it and you go okay. Well Two thousand eleven that was always i. Von Miller came out of that. That was great. So you that's what you're gonNA take. Do you have a player that you remembered for in that draft and unfortunately I think we remember and focus more on the bus von Miller the second year Derek Wolfe Year while they didn't have a first round. Pick so you don't think about it as much third year. They drafted D. Tackle wasn't sexy and it didn't work. But then you then you move on and obviously to hasn't sixteen will forever remember when the broncos picked Paxton Lynch number twenty six that's GonNa make that year rough even though they got Justin Simmons out of that deal Connor McGovern a guy. That was a part of that line for the longest time. You know then two thousand seventeen. Who did they take in the first round there Garrett Bowles that's going to hurt now that was a bad draft class as well however the last two it does seem like always getting Bradley. Chubb Cortlandt Sutton Royce Freeman. This is eighteen. Isaac Yatom though all those top four picks for the broncos in two thousand eighteen. Are I mean Adam right now is considered a starter? He's number two but Royce Freeman third running back now. They had the opportunity to Belvin Gordon but Bryce is still there. Coralline sudden elite Bradley Chubb Elite. He got hurt last year but still very much a top player and then of course this last season you see Noah Fan Dalton Reisner drew. Lock those three guys right. They're nice pickup. I'm waiting to see if Trayvon Jones works out. They list him as a D. Tackle the end but I still think that I mean. They're hopeful that he can take that next step to going forward. That's the guy we haven't even talked about when we really look at this depth chart so I think it's fair to say when you look at the broncos drafting the last couple of seasons. They're getting better now. We don't that's the thing you can gray drafts till you're blue in the face but you don't we don't we can't really assess two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen thousand nineteen we won't be able to assess those untold three two three years later. That's how it goes. But so far based on two years I would say the two thousand eighteen draft class is highlighted by Bradley Chubb and Portland Sutton in those are the things that you talk about two thousand seventeen. Yeah we're starting to get to that point now where we can go back and assess it. That was highlighted by Garrett. Bowles Chad Kelly was that pick number two hundred and fifty three and we all know how that worked out. The Angela Henderson. Didn't really work out. Carla Henderson I mean you just waited for some of these guys to get going. I text three one nine nine six three one nine nine six certainly more negatives for John Elway when you look at the body of work with all of these picks however you do see a Lotta guys that are starting to stick out starting to make a name for themselves. I mean no offense. Dalton Reisner drew lock those those first three picks last season. They're all three starters. And although fan was okay forty receptions four or five hundred sixty two yards in his rookie season. That's not bad so you take your kind of okay with it. Well drew lock is kind of at least right now on this sixteen. Th Day of April were saying. He's the future of at the quarterback position and after five games. We all feel very confident and comfortable saying that. I think we do now. We'll see what happens next year. The next year is such a huge test for so many different players talking about storylines. Two Thousand Twenty is going to be jam packed full of them for the Broncos. And right now you can say that was a pretty good draft class so far so good Bradley Chubb. We need to see you healthy. See if you can get put together another ten plus tax season if you can do that then von Miller is probably going to be right around there but I think we all like Portland son so the good news is that maybe John elway starting to surround himself with people that can help him navigate through these drafts and it does take time. I mean Yeah. I Know Brady. He's been given a lot of time more time than most well. That is what it is the only thing you can look at it now. I like Colfax has been saying since day one well since day. One for hiring VIC FANGIO is. Here's your your in this process. Now you've hired Fangio. You drafted your quarterback your starting to build that lineup. You still have von Miller. You've drafted up some nice pieces like Bradley. Chubb and UNDRAFTED Philip Lindsay. You started to build up those pieces now. You gotta see it through. This is where we are. It's time to see this through so we'll talk more about that coming up a little bit later on on the draft side of things. The draft is next week man. I'm very excited to get to. That can't wait to see what happens. With the broncos Had Somewhat propose this to me if somebody were to. Let's say let's say Henry Rugs is available fifteen which I don't see that happening. But let's say he's available fifteen. And the Broncos are offered to move back into the mid twenty s but to take to swap first round picks but they are gifted first round pick next season. When I take that yes I would. Because I'm I'm looking at the fact that you can. You can basically say all right. Well we'RE WE'RE GONNA move back. We'll we'll not take Henry Rug but I'm going to get a draft pick for next year but my biggest need is a cornerback. Now I love Henry Rugs but if somebody's willing to swap first round and give me a first round pick the next year. I'm good with that because I still think my biggest need is cornerback this year and I think Fulton's going to drift to twenties. Maybe he could. We'll see but you also have Henderson of Florida. Who I think is a decent enough running. Back cornerback especially in that mid first round thirty minutes after the hour. Get your thoughts on that power to play. Sports poll question of the day. Should the broncos look to bring? Damascus? Thomas back into the fold. We'll talk about that next. Let's get the latest on the local sports flash thirteen ten K. K. A. preps radio is northern Colorado's home for the best high school coverage. Hey this is mark Johnson Voice Colorado Buffaloes and you're listening to the whole show with my Buddy Brady Ho on thirteen ten. Kfi KFI welcome back to the show. Glad you could be with us here on this Thursday afternoon. Our first advantage text line is three one nine six three one nine nine six joining me on our first advantage hotline Kelly Lyle from the Fort Collins Colorado Kelly my friend. How are you holding up man doing okay? How `bout you he you know? It's it's another day. Another dollar just Doing our best to kind of navigate through the situation but surprisingly there seems to be a lot to talk about hit this more but I think this is a strange time for players. It's like now you've got to be on your best person your best behavior because every little thing. We're all going to magnify your right now. Because there's no games to distract this. Yeah this is true. certainly There's a lot of people of mining social media a lot more than they normally would and not paying closer attention to things that they might otherwise otherwise miss or not notice and and then these athletes to the other thing especially when it comes to you know I guess at all levels but I I really sense of what the college athletes us is. You know sports will start up again at some point. We don't know win but you've got to physically keep yourself in shape because you know if if college football does happen. I don't think there is going to be a whole lot of lead in time build beyond the standard thirty days of fall camp. And you know the old school coaches like Steve Adagio. I'll tell you that that's how we always did it. And we got by just fine. We don't need eight weeks like Nick Sabin and some others are saying. Give US thirty days and we'll be ready to play but that also means the players are going to have to be In shape because they're not gonNA have that first week or two Paul camp to get in shape. They're going to be competing for jobs with guys who've been working their tails off during this Kelly. A couple of points. Come to mind as you're hearing you lay that out like that. You're listening or hearing what Steve Adagio says about that. You've covered football for a long time and we've had listeners talking about or even the NBA saying well. We're going to two thousand five days to get rolling since we were off. Yeah I've had a lot of listeners. Do they really need all that time? And and then that brings us into that conversation of football. Do these guys really need all of that going in and the NFL do we need the OTA's in the month? Long Training Camp and all the preseason games what are what are your thoughts from a guy that has just covered and discussed a lot of that with football coaches. I think those are just luxuries that we have adopted over time because we could grow football. The money got so big that you know yes you could. You could afford to do those things you could afford to make on pretty much a year round sport. You know most of these guys won't these guys played football. As kids. They played in high school high schools. Get two weeks to get ready for the season at least in Colorado and you know what Karma High School football is good high school football so it works. You can do it. They over complicated things maybe to wear. They need all this extra time. Because you've got your quarterback has to you know five thousand different possibilities against this. Look this formation. This place dumb it down a little and play football. It's not that complicated I saw. I'm one of those. I'm I'm like what Steve Adagio was telling us on a conference call on April first. I believe it was when he was just saying you know thirty days is enough time. If if everybody has the same amount of time for the season will all be just fine? I like that I with you. I I liked that presentation. You hear this. So many of those coaches and they just want more time more and more time it is a little. It is a little annoying sometimes and again. I never played college football. I don't know what goes into it other than what we see on the field. What we see the practice field But bottom line is is is is. They would all be on even playing field. If they're all given that same amount of time then they all should be able to figure it out. Yeah I just you know I. It's the game you can figure it out again. Maybe you dumb it down maybe those ten formations become for. Maybe those eight different routes receiver can run against this defense. Become to whatever it takes a good in my mind a good coach and we pay these coaches a lot of money. These days at all levels of all sports a good coach ought to be able to figure that out and make it work. And frankly if they can't then they don't deserve the millions and millions of dollars they're making. I tend to agree man Kelly following along with you guys on the Colorado and seeing some of these players committing to Colorado state and seeing one of the latest three star cornerback from Texas committing to see issue. You start to get an idea now again. I know it's Adagios first year with the Rams and you do. It's kind of a mixed bag. You're going to be working with working with what you already have. But still trying to create your own image upon this team as you look at some of these commits so far in this very strange time. What is what are starting to put together some pieces of what that might tell us about Adagios football program. Well you know the one thing that I really got from talking to this cornerback at a Texas Leith Adams. Who was the one who committed this week? is that they've done a really good job as a staff of staying in touch with people through all this doing everything that the rules allow them to do to let these guys know. Hey we're still in business. You know. Yeah we're not playing games. We can't bring you to campus right now but you know what this is a long term thing we're looking for and we think you're a big part of it and we want you here and you know life and Adams just said he said Colorado state was so much more. The communication was so much more consistent and so much better with Colorado state than with the other schools that were recruiting them and his final choice and he visited the other two they were Kansas. Smu whereas other two top choices. He's never been to Fort Collins and yet he's still committed to come here based on what they were able to show them in video tours primarily because of the the he felt comfortable with the coaches. His mom felt comfortable with the coaches because they've spoken to them a lot. They feel like they really know who these people are. And I think that's a big thing. And that says a lot for the way Adagio and his staff were conducting themselves. If they're staying that on top of things right now because certainly it'd be very easy to slack off a little bit in those areas and instead they you know they seem to be at least in this case seem to find a way to use that to their advantage. It's like let's you know we really want this guy. Let's make sure he knows it. Let's make sure his family knows it then. let's go out and land. We can and they did so talking about some of those videos that you're showing these these these recruits and such. I mean I'd say as you're mentioning that it's going to run it through my head man. It's got to be beautiful luxury right now to have canvas stadium and all of those all those facilities to be able to highlight on the video side of things. That's got to be a very useful tool in this in this weird situation. I think that I think that's big. I also think what's big is. I think when it comes to doing those things. Colorado state really has been operating in the last few years at least in that regard. Leica power five school as far as their video presentation their social media. They understand the importance of it. They created Ram Vision. They have professional videographers. That are doing these videos. I mean you know reno boy does a terrific job and you know. He has to work for Channel Nine. He understands you know they're able to put out very professional quality materials for these people and not not a lot of schools in the group of five conferences are doing that. Colorado state realizes the importance of it made a commitment to it financially and otherwise and this is where maybe that pays off even more than than than it might because right now. That's the only way you have to show off your program and your campus so the fact that you've got some good material to do it with and you're not throwing it all together right now because you've been doing it now for a couple of years so you've got put you've got highlights you've got things you can share. That are from to that big win two years ago or the you know the gay last year. Whatever it is that you can share. And I think that's really important to and makes a big impression on these on these recruits and they're great right up you did on Leith Adams to and I know there's a lot more to come at the Colorado when you guys guys keep rocking and rolling out some good product for so appreciate you. Kelly and we'll we'll look to catch up with you next week. All right sounds good. You take care that's Carolina'll of Fort Collins Colorado and I I love talking cornerbacks. You guys know that. I'm a big cornerback. Guy So late Adams cornerback ranked among the top one hundred and fifty recruiting prospects in Texas committed to Colorado State Football Program on Monday three star. So Nice get there for Colorado state. We'll take a quick break. We've got eight minutes till top of the hour. Chris Dempsey still to come and Colefax a day that we all thought what start to arrive. I guess but you're starting to see it with the G. League taking away all of these potential college basketball studs. Will it happen more more? We'll be right back. You're listening to the hall's show powered by energy thirteen ten. Kfi Am Brady will be back after the break the best UNC bears target game coverage lives on thirteen ten K. F. K. This is Christopher Dempsey your nuggets inside from altitude sports and you are listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi K. A. 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Trade Deadline Day

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Trade Deadline Day

"And there you go the clock is ticking. Glad you could be with us as we countdown the final few hours now until today's trade deadline. I'm Wendy next with field Yates, Tim Hasselbeck coach John FOX, we've got our team of NFL nation reporters standing by as well. But we will start with Adam Schefter reporting. Now that Maria's Thomas is on the move, Adam. When did you longest tenured member of the Denver Broncos. A man that helped him win the Super Bowl out and Santa Clara against the Carolina Panthers has been dealt to the Houston Texans along with a seventh round draft pick. The Broncos will be getting back a four round pick and a seventh round pick. But the big savings here. I think is that four million dollars comes up there April this year Torquay million dollars comes up their payroll next year, interestingly enough to marry Thomas his first game as a member of the Houston. Texans will be in Denver against the Broncos on Sunday. The broccoli did not have any reservations about trading Thomas team that they would be. Facing on Sunday. The Texans in desperate need of another wide receiver after they lost will fuller to a season ending torn a C L last Thursday night against the Miami Dolphins. They will working the phones they spoke to the forty Niners about peer Garson. They spoke to the Denver Broncos about marriage Thomas. They talked about other wide receivers. But in the end alternately, Houston like Thomas, and the value that he would bring to Houston and so- moments ago. Those two sides completed a trade that involved one player and three draft picks where Damaris Thomas goes to Houston and we'll play his first game on Sunday in Denver against the Broncos. Have apple shefty nether nightclubbing your first game against your former team, the Broncos will hold a two thirty eastern press conference at which point you will hear from John Elway? But let's talk about Houston. I obviously with the injury to will fuller. This is in addition. They were looking for what's the impact of Thomas arrival? No mystery Wendy onto things first of all the Houston was going to acquire a veteran wide receiver in some way, shape or form and the to marry Thomas. You spoke to anybody around the NFL in the past seventy two hours. He was the flare most often mentioned as likely to be dealt four this four PM trade deadline and just two hours and thirty or so minutes, but for Huston. They lost a player will fuller who is in the conversation for the best vertical play wide receivers in the AFC. Which is why name like to Sean Jackson was often linked to Houston in these trade talks before this to Maria's Thomas trade. The America's Tom is averaging eleven point two yards per catch this year, he's a different player now than he was I know coach can certainly speak to this a handful of years ago. But if you look at the available pieces on that Houston offense. There wasn't a natural in-house replacement to take on a will fuller type role, and you got to figure that Marius Thomas will be revitalized playing with one of the best young quarterbacks in football. And I think that perhaps part of why has yards per catch is lower in Denver the season is by design. It's way he's used as opposed to how he might be used. Now when he goes to Huston no player coach is the same as they were three or four seasons ago. But have. Said what field did what what what can he do right now for the remainder of this season for the Houston Texans? Oh, he's got a big catch radius. He still has vertical speed. He's showed evidence that that this season. He can go up and get the jump ball, which I know Bill Brian and seeing people run the league, and the mayor is still has a lot of football left. I think this is going to help office with the loss of a starting receiver like will fuller these still vertical. He's still has possession abilities got big hands. And I think the thing that really helped you know, as Wes Welker there who was also a teammate marriage is a good teammate. And I'm sure they were looked into all those avenues as well. Have you heard of a situation where a player is traded? And then just several days later faces his former team. Not not not bad fast. Reminds me of like a lawyer Malloy when you signed with the Bill. The practice. I mean, Mitch at the stay might I've seen. Here's his think is interesting though, this is this is really a half a season proposition mean it's a half a season rental Texan this made a ton of sense for the Denver Broncos. If you think about a diminished Thomas, do I think north of fourteen million dollars a year from now direct Portland? Sudden to be honest with you has actually been better. They've been trying to find ways to get him on the field in Denver. He's been he's been outstanding. And then you look at really what Emmanuel Sanders has been for them. He's been case keenum's favourite target. And there were some rumors around Emmanuel Sanders, and it seemed like Denver kind of squashed that quickly. Like, no, no, he's not available, but our other wide receiver is so you know, I think what's interesting here is kind of signals that Houston feels like they can probably win this division this year with a little bit of help it wide receiver after the will fuller injury. Because this is really about the twenty eighteen seats a win. Now. Move to be sure Jeff leg world is on the ground in Denver. I know Jeff you have spoken to Damari us Thomas. What has he said? Wendy. Spoken to a couple of times in recent days after the game Sunday, he put the odds of this at fifty fifty he said and then when I saw him yesterday. I think he was almost resigned to the fact that this move would be made. In the Blanco. It does make sense on the surface of it and logically. But in the locker room this. This will be an interesting thing because I think people see Damaris says the longest tenured player the team. He's been durable. He hasn't missed a game since I believe even John's John FOX's first season is is coach so. He's been durable. He's been reliable. And the biggest reason courtroom Sutton has made the advancements. He has this year is because of Damaris Thomas. Well, it's interesting, Jeff, we're going to go back to Adam Schefter and just a minute. But John let me ask you about that since you're familiar with their situation. Do you agree that this will be an interesting play inside the locker room for the Broncos big? So anytime, you have a veteran player that, you know, get he's one of those guys who was in that Super Bowl and fifteen and he's got a lot of weight in that locker room, you know, like everybody they adjust in. I think it's a great move really for the Texans because where else were they going to get this type of player in this type of impact really in that locker room in a tied up division, and they need to make a push in the second half of the season. I'm talking about the the Houston Texans. So they'll make that Bush with to marry Thomas again the trade deadline four o'clock eastern today show the Broncos sending Thomas to Houston Texans will face the Broncos this weekend. Let's turn back now to Adam Schefter. Who's got some information on other players who may be on the move, including golden Tate. Shefty. Well, this is a name to watch you. When did the Detroit Lions have been open to moving on from gold. And Tate, and here's a name that teams have been calling about all summer long and all summer long. They were told no he's not available. But there's been a flurry of activity surrounding golden Tate's navies that trade deadline is drawn closer and closer. And so we will wait to see if the lines are able to find an acceptable offer by the four PM eastern deadline today that would say Goldie take to another city again, see some of these teams seeing some of these teams where basically it takes to make the move or the wide receiver here are sewn. Basically he's in a situation with a forty nine. Also, having tried to find a suitor Houston would have been interested in peer gore, sewn if they had not been able to work at a deal for Damaris Amish, but they were able to deal and because of that now San Francisco seat if he could find a place where they could find him. Now janoris Jenkins giants defensive back cornerback is a player that other teams have talked about. Again, the salary is not out of whack for. Quarterback. The giants have shown you're willing to move on from players. But I think that obviously right now Jenkins is a player that demand some attention planning college as a player that demand. Some attention Olivier Vernon is of player that demand some attention. But we've got a situation with teams at the decide whether it's worth the salary. That's not the case if Collins who's in the last few on-track, clearly the giants obviously seen that they're going to be unable to resign him. And rather than resign sign them. They're looking to see if they can move on from him at this point in time. They talked to teams we'll see whether or not taking fi team that is waning collinses even thinking about leaving. We'll see what happens to that. Another defensive back to watch gear at the trade deadline approaches is Clinton Dix in Green Bay also player on an expiring contract also players garnered some attention around the league and we'll see whether the Green Bay Packers can find a tree partner for ha ha Clinton Dix year at four o'clock. Shefty. Thank you. Again, the end of the business day at least for the league. Which in this case, it's four o'clock eastern. Let's we'll have much more from Schefter, obviously, as we go through the course of the next ninety minutes. He's he's working to pay for day to be Adam Schefter and understandably so, but let's talk just a minute about the giants because the word fire sale has been used that gets a lot of folks attention. I don't know if that's what you'd call it field. But certainly a team to keep an eye on at one and seven teams have known that the giants had been opened for business. And I think it really goes back to a couple of weeks ago Monday night football when they lose the Atlanta Falcons that game that people said all right at that point. What's the rest of the season mean for the New York Giants and the focus has to be on development? And it's not just the team is one in seven is at third in the first year of a new regime GM Dave Gettleman and head coach Pat Shurmur, and I don't want to say that players from previous regimes are no longer a part of the future going forward. But Dave Gettleman might value players differently than other regimes around the NFL could die them. Like, for example. A Landon Collins. People are saying yourself. Why would you wanna trade a former second round pick in his young to mid twentieth? An excellent safety will get them zone of a long history of pain defensive backs that goes back to his time in Carolina in Collins is in the final year of his deal but between two Norris Jenkins. Landon Collins, some really interesting names left on that defensive side of the ball. Maybe the giants continue consider to parlay wanted one of those players if not both for picks because we know the focus is on twenty nine hundred and beyond coach, you know, this as well as anybody, I mean talent assessment to a degree subjective. Everybody these beauties even the eye of the beholder so to speak and not only that every new regime wants to do different things has overall different philosophies. So you can understand how the giants would to make some changes now, especially at one in seven with new folks who've arrived, and then you're always looking to change the culture in that locker room as well. They've been on a losing streak lost been made. I'm gonna games they've lost since even last season at three and thirteen and into this season. So changing the culture getting new pigs kind of bring. In your own guys in and raising them in the culture, you want to again, there's an advantage to that. So I think right now to try to find value again for players, regardless of what the names are for those new draft picks next year's next year's draft. Here's the giants while they thought that they were kind of going all in on Eli playing well and investing in the offense of line. They're not good. They're a bad football team in the reality is is that they now are no longer in a situation where they feel like really there. They can't feel like they're close. I mean, there's no way they can feel like they are close football team. And so I think that's why someone like janoris Jenkins you'd even consider moving. I mean just think about the money for Jenkins. I mean, he's still relatively young players. Thirty years old. He is making just over six million dollars this year. But he's under contract for the next two years at about ten million dollars for a really good corner. That's not terrible. I mean, that's not that's not bad money. So it's not like it's a contract. He's trying to get out over you know, that you're going to end up cutting him. So I think to me this signals to the giants for the giants especially with what they've done so far. They clearly kind of you know. Didn't assess their current situation properly in terms of how the quarterback would play and what that means for the team going forward that might be the real root of the issue in New York is scouting is not easy in the NFL. Just isn't like I'm not trying to make excuses for general managers and coaches because they're well compensated, and they're the best of what they do. But everybody has personnel swings and misses from draft picks to free agent acquisitions to trades around the NFL. But perhaps the most important thing you have to be able to scout is yourself, you gotta know your own roster. And the giants seemed to have misplayed their hand will what they had just said this to in terms of the safety market in general. I mean, let's just be honest about the safety market. I mean Earl Thomas wanted to trade at one of money. You know, now Landon Collins is due for a new deal. Hawks is going to be due for no deal. Like, honestly, if I may team, I'm not I'm not going to be the first one to pay safety. I'm going to wait and see what everybody else is going to do. Well, let me ask you about how hot Clinton desk decks among those names that you heard Adam Schefter mentioned if you put your scouting hat on in terms of what he brings coach what is it? Well, I think more and more you see in the ball pass so much guys are actually looking for third and fourth quarter, especially on passing douse with multiple wide receivers more corner type ability in Clinton didn't run real well coming out, and I think that's kind of what would people hesitate on paying safety's big money? They're going to more corner types, whereas doors Jenkins, I think there's a market for him out there, you know, as TIMMY mentioned his not a real high salary. I was involved couple years ago and trying to get him out of Saint Louis. So then Saint Louis, and so he's got a pretty good contract. And I think still some ability depending on how people look at it. I think there's more of a market for cover guys on a daylight today. When you have a trade anytime, he talked about trade, you're not just talking about talent, but value as well you have to marry those two things really to find a fit. We're just getting started four o'clock eastern. The NFL's trade deadline today. We continue our coverage of today's trade deadline, which as expected has been busy. Mary Thomas is on the move Thomas headed to Houston. Thomas. The seventh rounder any exchange for a fourth and seventh round pick. Ironically, his first game for the Texans will come against the Denver Broncos this weekend and from his teammate von Miller in response to the news. And of course, this happening all in real time. Von Miller says quite clearly on my cry at what Desama crying in the car cry that car cry in the car, I've done that before myself, but we've all been there on hanging there. Listen, he is not the only player on the move. Golden Tate apparently has a new place to play for more on that. We'll go back to Adam Schefter. Well, Wendy moments ago. The Detroit Lions agreed to sing golden Tate. The wide receiver to the Philadelphia Eagles for a third round pick. This marks the second straight year that the Philadelphia Eagles completed deal right before the trade deadline last year. Sending a fourth round pick to the Miami. Dolphins for j J this year, sending a third round pick to the Detroit Lions for golden tape whose contract is up. After the season. So basically the eagles are trading. A third round pick to build Bill for what amounts to be a rental player. Now, if you lose golden tape in free agency, you get back and compensatory draft pick. So what have here's a team? That's giving up a third round pick now. And if it goes in recycled and Tate knows that he will sign a big contract. Elsewhere and then get back to Tori draft pick in twenty twenty. So it's taking golden Tate on a loan for this year. The eagles have been looking for another playmaker. All they had made a bid on Amari Cooper. They did not get Amari Cooper. They attacked golden Tate. This is a receiver that a number of teams wanted that Detroit didn't want to deal but Detroit stance changed within the last week. Seemingly weren't began to field offers from other teams the lion's head attempted to re-sign golden Tate to a long term contract when they were unable to do that. They began listening more seriously to other teams out there. And moments ago completed a deal to Philadelphia Eagles defending world champion. Philadelphia. Eagles that sense Tate to Philadelphia for a third round pick. Adam. Thank you. And clearly there is some history. It worked out pretty well for the eagles to move. They made at the trade deadline last season. So again, we see it and you made reference with this to Thomas as well in both these cases really you're talking about now because the likelihood of these players staying where they are. Or at least where they've been traded to is not high in seemed like a high price to me. I'm just you know, being on not the golden on a good player. He is. But we're heading into week nine. He's got to be ready to play. So we can't assume that he's going to play an entire game week nine. So you really are getting a rental player for a portion of the season not even half of the season for third round pick. And I understand what Adam saying about the compensatory pick. You're talking about twenty twenty in. Oh, by the way, you have no idea. What what that pick is going to be? It's not like, you know, the formula exactly that in terms of what your. Going to get back and return, it seems like a high price to me that being said right now, I mean, you've got a very competitive football team. I mean just came off the Super Bowl and right now they're struggling again a little bit like the Texans. They're in a division. That's locked up very very tight competition. And this could be the peace to put them over the edge of my little bit. Like a giant was last year. And the reason I say that is the type of receiver. He is golden Tate is outstanding in the slot. Outstanding quickness outstanding on some of those bubble screens with the ball in his hand quickly. And right now Carson Wentz has had that type of guy and that type of threat and in particularly on third down a guy that's going to cause a matchup problem. I think it's a good get and really at this stage. Third round fourth round again. It's just ability to get them over the top. I think it's a good mood too high for you feel they're no. Here's the reason why I don't think it's too high. If you look at the eagles roster construction right now in the players they have under contract for twenty. One and beyond. They basically got their core. Locked up guys like Carson Wentz. Obviously as leader of it, all but out, Sean, Jeffrey and Zach Kurtz and lean Johnson and Jason Peters, and Chris long was extended in players like Fletcher Cox, so I can go on and on about all these players that are already in the mix for twenty nineteen which means they probably weren't going to be particularly active on the free agent market, which will factor into the compensatory pick value. So I can understand sort of both sides of the coin here. And I think if you're looking at what golden taped brings this offense right now, I'm not sure they dramatically lack a player that can one that for the catch me Nelson. Adler is pretty shifty after the catch. But what I wonder for Philadelphia is first of all gold Tate fantastic. After the catch is just how they align. These receivers now golden tasted as best operating at the slot. That's what he does almost exclusively Nelson career got on track. When he moved to the slot. So it'll be interesting to see which of those two players shifted outside, and it becomes more of a other vertical threat or a perimeter threat where size and speed can really egos got a little taste of that pie. I think that. Championship field. They'd like to repeat. Like to have some more few are better equipped to talk about the hours leading up to the trade deadline, then our hall of fame. GM Bill Polian who joins us now Bill. Let's start with golden Tate. Where do you sit on this deal? I think it was a good deal. The eagles need a player of his stature he can run after the catch of John said he can play well in the slot. He gives you chunk plays with the ball in his hand. And a third is a slim price to pay for eight players who can change games he can make chunk plays and choke plays. As what the eagles passing offense as lacking. I still would have liked to have seen them in. Maybe get they'll go for a running back. That's also glaring gate, but this is a good pick up for them. And I don't worry about the price when you're going for the Super Bowl branch Rickey once said the only one you can win is the one you can win now. And that's what Howie Roseman is looking at. He's my favorite Bill. You know that let me ask you about Damari Thomas. He's been traded to Houston. What? Does he do immediately for the Texans? Well, he admittedly fills a whole he's the third best receiver on their team if they were healthy, but they're not. So they've got to got to bring in receiving talent in a division. That is decidedly up for grabs. There's no-one separating themselves from the pack in that division. So even though Houston's won four straight. But the bottom line is that with the injuries he comes in. And I think fourth and seventh is a pretty high price to pay for a player of his stature, I think he's more reputation than he is delivering at this point in time. But they don't have anybody better. So you make the move when you when you feel like you have a chance to win. All right. They'll we'll be back with you as the next hour or so unfold tweet you want to go now to our reporter on the ground in Houston report on the Texans end of this trade, Sarah barshop. All right. We'll get night, Sarah. Chicken here. Alrighty, right. He's ready. So when she can hear us, we'll go back to Sara. But again, you heard what Bill had to say the only one you can win John is the one you can win now. And I think if I'm paraphrasing that was your point as well about the eagle agree. I mean, right now, basically, you're halfway point in you're right in the thick of things. And it's not how you start threes. It's how you finish. And you've got to best utilize the roster you can build now it's a little bit like before, you know, before the final cut down. You have to do what you have to do in. This is it this is this is the way to choir talent. And I think this is a big step for actually in both those cases to replace a get something. I Adam talk for just a minute about Detroit who had been in the market for Amari Cooper as well. They of course, Oakland made that deal early. Amari Cooper, lands in Dallas something to be said field for getting the head of the curve here. If you will before we got into the last few days and hours sort of interesting, though, this an feel like of the significant prices Dallas is still blows. Nobody else out of the water. Right. That you often if you're the first person to make move, you kind of set the table one way or the other you said it as if this is the strongest offer that will go out there, or this is the baseline and everything has to be above it. But the difference between Amari Cooper versus golden Tate into Maria's Thomas as the Amari Cooper trade is an obvious long-term investment for Dallas. It's for one half years on his current deal and presumably a long term contract perhaps go she aided this off season Dallas, I'm sorry Philadelphia with Golden State. It may be that he's with the team for eight more regular season games in a playoff run. And that's it and say Maria's, Tom this is fourteen million dollars next season. But a really interesting wide receiver market, so far, and we haven't even scratched. I mean there are there are potential other ripples in the next two hours and two minutes. They could impact us wide receiver. Mark lowered. The reality is this. And I've heard Bill Polian. And I'm sure he'd say the same thing you're talking about agent health. I mean, that's the end of the day when you're talking about a player moving and it comes up in free. As well. Where's mar Mark Cooper's twenty four years old? You know, every other wide receiver. We've talked about is thirty year old. I mean, there aren't a ton of wide receivers well into their thirties that are stretching the field and giving you big plays. And so you know, that, you know. You know, the first round of for Mark Cooper. I don't even think is really I don't think you can compare it. In terms of what it means for a guy that's thirty years old or thirty one years old. So I mean, I think that they have that context as well. All right. Adam had ventured ha ha Clinton Dix as a player who may be on the move. And as we told you before his teammate at least for right now time Montgomery fumbled. The kickoff return late against the Rams over the weekend. Eight cost Aaron Rogers and his team a chance to drive down the field and do what Aaron Rodgers so often reports said that Montgomery had defied his coaches instructions to simply take a knee notion. Montgomery dispute. Kick the retired abo- where was it. At that point in time. I stood world wasted. I had to retire. So. Split-second decision on. I don't know if this is gonna land on the go. So I'm not gonna take me on the goal line at the Heff yard and take a chance of putting putting the game in the resume. I wanted to make a play I wasn't playing very much and I wasn't able to make a play. And I was frustrated about that. I don't fully understand what what my role is right now what I'm supposed to be doing how I'm supposed to help this team. And especially I don't know if you guys have ever been so frustrated with something that you walk into close the door screaming you walk back out. And then you do with your life. That's what happened. Frustration over. Absolutely not. And that's. All right, Tim. That's his take your take. Let me listen. It was the wrong decision to take out to be honest with you the Rams it actually made a mistake in terms of win. They snapped the ball to kick the field goal. They should have bled. The clock. All the way down kick the field goal in the process of killing that field goal, if they didn't hit the two minute warning there. They were gonna hit it at the kickoff. Okay. So so that that was what was going to happen because of win. They snapped the football not returning. The ball is one hundred percent the right play should have been coached on the sideline. If it wasn't a mistake by the coaching staff, if it was in Montgomery decided to bring it out, then it's a mistake on his part. Is there a scenario where you can see a guy fielding the ball? And he's not sure if he's completely out one hundred percent that can happen. But the play is to let that ball go into the end zone. Not having a second run off the clock. Heavier I downplay from the twenty five yard line with two minutes and five seconds left. And have the ability to throw the ball in the middle of the field. So there are a lot of things at play here. Getting into the hey was he told was he not told only they can tell you. But the truth of the matter is they made a mistake by not capitalizing on the mistake. The Rams at the end of the day. I don't want to say it doesn't matter internally. It certainly does. But at least from now going forward, you know, the result is what it is coach. But how do you handle this or manage this? Because what you did see was an irate quarterback on the sidelines. Well, no doubt. And really the thing. That would push me. The most of unlike McCarthy right now is this getting aired out in media. You know, that's a problem. Whether it's his teammates, whether it was coaches, and you know, what you don't want is finger pointing right now. That's what you have. You know, the fact that maybe he was upset because he had brought up brought out of the game. Well, there was guys playing the running back because they better during that game. And part of that is you know, guys getting that opportunity. So where it goes moving forward. I'm not really sure, but that's what I'd be most upset about right now is this getting aired out publicly instead of within the team doesn't really serve any. Purpose. It certainly doesn't get you where you wanna go. Green Bay at team that may make I moved today. Four o'clock eastern the deadline. Rob Domanski is in Green Bay. Rob. What do you hear there? Well, Wendy as they do continue to deal with the time Montgomery situation. There's another deal that could be in the works as you heard Adam Schefter say safety. Ha ha Clinton Dix could be on the move. I talked to Clinton Dix yesterday right at about four o'clock. And he said I've got twenty four hours, and then we can talk when I asked him whether we'd be talking here at Lambeau Field or on the phone from another NFL city. He said, quote, I don't know you may be surprised now why would they move Clinton Dix when he's playing very well play more like his Bulbul season of a couple of years ago. Well, he's at the end of his contract and the Packers have not we signed their last two. High priced safeties Morgan Burnett and Mike hide. They let them walk. So perhaps this is general manager Brian Gouda coons trying to get something for Clinton Dix when he knows he won't be bringing him back next season. Rob thank you. We'll welcome back and Adam Schefter, first atom the latest on ha ha Clinton Dix who you mentioned earlier. His name keeps coming up. The problem is. Tough to trae for safety to demand for safety's is not great in this league. Any teams that have been talking about it right now don't seem overly won't at this particular woman. Now, again, we've got two hours left until the four o'clock eastern trade deadline to see if the Packers can get something done for hot Clinton. Dick, some people thought the chiefs doesn't sound like that's a possibility right now is for time. Montgomery similar situation on an expiring contract much like golden Tate. Now, the eagles were ruling to roll the dice to trade. The third round pick four golden Tate, but time Montgomery also on an expiring contract coming off the performance on Sunday where we brought the kickoff that of the end zone. Lost the fumble cost down on Rogers a chance to try to beat the own beaten. Rams obviously right now the Green Bay Packers. You're seeing if they can get anything back value for time Montgomery, and we'll find out whether they're able to do that by the four o'clock eastern deadline. So a couple of names to watch in Green Bay. But I want to also point out here Wendy that we saw four names four players dealt over the last week. We've seen two more traded today. That six trades altogether. That's considerably more than you would get an ordinary NFL year in previous years now last year there were about five traits up until the deadline. So right about that number right now, maybe a little bit more. So I know everybody's waiting for this flurry of activity, and there are a number of teams that have feelers out. There is Dave describe it to me bait to see if some team is willing to bite on a player right now. We're trae could be done, but we've already gotten six trades essentially in the last week, which is a lot. And then maybe a couple more here before the trade deadline. And if there is we'll certainly bring you the very latest. All right, shefty, thank you. And as we know the vast majority of the traits discussed are the ones you never hear about because they don't happen. You stay put. We'll be right back with you. We're just getting started. As boy Kevin loved playing football. He lived in briefed wanted to go clue why he'd spent hours upon hours just like the touchdown dances at one day. Well, getting fitted for bifocals, he realized he was never much good at throwing or running or catching nor even kicking. Yeah. Kevin's chances of playing crew football. We're looking like fourth and long very long, but he did hear how DIKO could save money on car insurance. So he switched and save. Then he did kind of a touchdown. At least he was still good at that. Come back to NFL live six traits and counting over the past two weeks as we now find ourselves less than two hours to go until the NFL trade deadline. What we've seen this afternoon so far given area Thomas as rumored on the loop. He hates to Houston. Ironically enough his first game. And in Texas uniform will come against his former team that game Sunday at four zero five at Denver Broncos will hold a press conference at two thirty eastern at which time you will. I'll hear from John Elway on that decision. Also on the move a win now decision clearly golden tape leaving the motor city. He is no longer with the Detroit Lions, but instead joins the defending Super Bowl champions. He has been traded to the Philadelphia Eagles and. In exchange for a third round picks the other team in Pennsylvania. Actually I Carson Wentz. He heard of quarterback of the eagles. Let's roll. My man clearly directed at golden excited to compete with clearly glad to get an additional weapon in the arrival of golden Tate who also said, you know, why Detroit it's been real, but Philly here, I come. So let the traits continue the other team. Here we go now in in Pennsylvania unclear when Levy on bell will rejoin the Steelers he has yet signed his franchise tender that means he cannot be traded before today's four o'clock eastern deadline. No player then can be traded after the deadline has passed which is why we speculated perhaps he's waiting until after today's deadline to check back in with the Steelers. We check back in with the man who's been there from start to eventual finish Jeremy Fowler. Eventually, I think what can you tell us? I think so too. Eventually, they lose word as we know. But there's been minimal trade buzz on lady on Bill situation, barring unforeseen development in the next few hours. He will remain a Pittsburgh Steeler in two thousand eighteen and as you outlined a player who has no contract who has not signed cannot be traded. So the Steelers would have to come to him with a potential team that he would approve of then he would have to come and take his physical sinus tender and be off to his new team all of that would have to happen in very short order. So unless bell breezes past us and the camera right now, that's probably not going to happen. In a source. I spoke to in the building was resigned to that fate and open to Bill playing two thousand eighteen here. That source said if Bill comes plays, well, everybody's happy. And that's what bell wants to. He told me earlier this month. He does not want to be traded doesn't expect. So and wants to remain a Steeler long-term. Now, it is business as usual here. At Steelers headquarters were coach, Mike Tomlin was animated at his press conference. When asked bell is gonna show. This week. He basically shut up the question and said any other questions is clearly tired of talking about bell. But as for the trade deadline Tomlin said he expects the phone to ring. We'll see what happens he says. But he did add the Steelers don't give up draft picks very often this time of year because they value home grown talent. Well, they dented good job with that. Jeremy, thank you. And you know, what why don't we hear from Mike Tomlin? This is exactly what Jeremy's talking about. Here is Tom in a few minutes ago. Any other questions? You'll have a good evening. That's a walk off. It is a walk of. I understand his frustration. You have to understand the question as well. It's just a it's a tiring situation. I don't know what to it as crazy as this has been by the way, I wouldn't be surprised to see bell wasp Jeremy Fowler. I think at this point that's par for the course field. But again, it seems like a trade involving Levy on bell at this point dearly impossible. I would think in order to execute that Jerry. He would have sign that franchise tender and the team would have to then trade him and the next one hour and forty seven or eight minutes. So you can basically push maybe on bell trade out the door to think what we got to the point here Wendy this is early on in the season. We are asking what are the Steelers expectations about how lady on bells going to handle his current situation? When will Levy on Belva turn to the Steelers based off what they're thinking. If we come increasingly clear, one person in one person only has any idea of what navy on bell wants to do right now that's on bell. And that could. Change in his own mind in the next hour week month. I've seen it change. The time has been incredibly, fluid dynamics. So the Steelers, and I know that people interpret this is that just coachspeak that's just you know, rallying the troops together. But they are probably bound to the fact that James colors, our guy, and we're going to plan on having James Connor as our guy going forward and open the way he's playing unbelievable. He's going to the best running backs in football this year. I'm not saying they're worse for the wear with lady on bell on the field. But for now, they're in a very good spa. This is a high society running back problem. The Steelers have on their hands right now as a pertains to on the field matter. So for now, if they lay on bell that's gravy gravy, because they have been awesome on the ground with James Caan certainly cannot complain about his production built poli and back with us Bill. I someone who's dealt with somewhat similar situations. How do you handle this in the front office at this point? Well, at this point the Di really is cast James Connor as has been mentioned has. Played tremendously. Well, the Steelers drafted him. If for just this situation as why they made the pick. And he's done extremely well. Now if lady on Bill comes in the question, then is does he come in all in four. Does he come in just to fix up a pitching? That's what the Steelers front office. And perhaps Mike Tomlin is worried about do. They get a one hundred percent of lady on Bill or do. They get a lady on Bill protecting himself and ready to go to the free agent market. That's where the problem lies in the future. James Connor is the answer right now and probably barring injury and please God given his situation. And what he's beating beaten already injury never comes into play. He'll be the guy for the foreseeable future. But the question is which lady on Bill, do they get the lady on Bill that we've come to know and get excited about and want to see play or a lady on Bill? List than invested Bill. Thank you. And that's that's the great caveat. Right. We just don't know. No one really knows that other news out of Pittsburgh and injury to the quarterback. Ben rothlisberger. Mike Tomlin did answer. A question about that. Been a head a fractured index finger on his left hand. You know, it didn't prohibit him from being affective in the second half of the game. But obviously will will look at it in terms of his availability this week, and how it might affect them in a practice setting and so forth now then -ticipant in it been an issue for him in play or in game. But I did talk about it after I wanted to give you guys an update. This is left hand. Tim is a former quarterback how how does that affect or not affect his play? No. I think the things that does. It doesn't officiant affect you. Taking a snap. And you take a snap as a right hand of quarterback the ball hits your right hand. I mean, that's that's what it is you secure it with your left hand. I think the things that would be an issue for Ben would be handing off on plays running to the right 'cause you hand off with your left hand. And a lot of times back if he's excited who kind of clamp down on the football and take your hand with it at times. And I think the other aspect of it would be we know Ben makes a lot of place, you know, kind of moving outside the pocket or kind of fighting inside the pocket to extend plays. And so then ball security becomes an issue is you're in the pocket, and you want to see the ball with two hands you as guys swipe at the football. You know, having a broken index finger, obviously doesn't help you end up protecting the football. So I think that's the issue there. I want to hop back on Levy on Belfer second one hundred percent in. Already. Let us know wearing is on this. Percent. Then maybe on is basically given up a million dollars a week. He's he's on protect lady on his all in on being healthy. When he when he hits free agency. That is what he is all in make no mistake about it. You don't give up the money that he has given up to be all in on anything other than being healthy when you are due for a long term contract. That's what he's done. So. Whenever he comes in. He's going to need to come to secure six weeks. We'll now one thing's for sure if he wants the Pittsburgh Steelers to be part of that free agency at the end of this season. He better be all in I can speak that about that organization and everybody will be looking how this role for this. It's just hard to just cost himself money. Yeah. His future there. But you know, the long term and the long term. Yes, I guess you never know we continue to make our way towards today's four o'clock eastern trade sides date trade deadline about an hour and a half and change to go before. No player can be traded. Amidst rumors he may be on the move. It was tough sledding. Shawn McCoy running the ball last night against the New England Patriots the final tally at least in terms of rushing. Twelve carries thirteen yards. Here's shady on his frustrations. Just as close. He's an everything. Here too. Or put in or whatever put in my whole career. Saying for it to happen. Like this. You see the defense. Crying offers for not really. Well at all. Of stakes. These two hundred yards its gain. This never had. Well, if that will welcome in our bills reporter, Mike rodak, and Mike Leshan was clearly frustrated he was emotional after the loss that happens. But what did you hear regarding a trade involving McCoy? Well, Wendy, I talked to McCoy after the game. And I asked him how much this trade deadline was weighing on his mind. And he simply said who knows man, and indeed it's very tough to tell with this current regime in buffalo. Brandon Beane the GM has been here for two years, and you really have to expect the unexpected even though it might be quiet right now onto McCoy front. I remember early in the afternoon of the trade deadline day last year being told us don't expect the trae today. Well around three thirty that day. Kelvin Benjamin trade started to come together with the Panthers has made twelve trades involving players over his first eighteen months as bills GM. A lot of them have been higher priced players acquired by a previous regime McCoy fits into that category. Really question. Whether his salary is justified by his production of the thirty two running backs across the NFL. Whoever least two hundred carries since the start of. Last season McCoy ranks twenty eighth in yards per carry as we await for John Elway who will talk about again this decision. But shefty how did it get done? When you what happened? Here was the Denver Broncos have been looking for a couple of weeks to move on from Thomas and one of the reasons they were looking to move on is scheduled to make fourteen million dollars next season. They were not going to pay him that fourteen million next season. Not with some of the young wide receivers that they have in the talent that they've demonstrated this season. And so with that in mind they began efforts to conduct a trade here and Houston Texans last Thursday night loss will fuller to a twenty L A season ending injury. So the Broncos spoke to the Texans. They spoke to the Philadelphia Eagles who were also looking for a wide receiver at this point in time. They spoke to a couple of other teams. But really the Texans were the ones that jumped out and as of Monday night, those two sides had the framework of a deal in place that was completed this afternoon where. The Broncos sent Thomas and a seventh round pick to Houston for a fourth round pick and a seventh round pick. So the Broncos basically improved their position in the seventh round of the draft. They get back in additional fourth. They should four million dollars payroll. This year fourteen million dollars of payroll for next year and the Houston Texans come up with wide receiver that they can insert into the spot that will fuller had while they're in first place in the AFC south that trade that worked out for both teams will fuller had not been injured. It would have been interesting to see if Denver could have dealt to marry his Thomas, but the sense all along has been that Denver is looking to move on from him. And it found an active suitor in the Houston. Texans. Thank you, shefty. It's interesting. You say that because I think the question I have is if you're the Texans coach and you see willful or go down, and you know to long-term injury. Do you start thinking immediately about a move like this thing? Definitely especially if it were they are right now in their division. Let's not forget this team started Owen three and it all. Sudden now Shawn Watson these starting to look like his old self and that football team is good a chance as anybody to get into the playoffs and make some noise. They got a good defense improving and lose them. We'll fuller was killer. It was kind of a meaningless looking play. And I think getting guy light Demaria's Thomas getting them injected marriage is a smart guy veteran players should be able to learn the system quick enough and help help make them make that push thing there to look at key Cutie who's done a really good job for them playing inside coach brought up Wes Welker earlier think about west west. You know, kind of in the history of this league has been one of the better slot wide receivers that's ever played. And so I think when you look at his development playing inside having Hopkins outside now having to marry Thomas outside you can keep this young kind of sending player playing in that role in mobile the ways being coached by somebody who played that spot. Very well, so. I think that probably also, you know, rather than elevating him due to kind of a role that maybe you didn't think he was suited for keeping him where he is. Also, a good learning curve here or as coach river veteran player knows what he's doing and step right in your interesting. The Broncos have already now. So you're gonna honored to marry Thomas. This Sunday that will include a thank you banner and some other nice ways to pay, you know, Amish to a guy that's been really good player for them for nine seasons. Now, but we don't even know if a play on Sunday one would figure that with three full practices in Houston provided. He gets there in time takes a physical but tomorrow morning that Mary should be somewhat up to speed. But we'll see whether he plays tips points really well taken it's allow cue to develop as normally in go all later semi Lynn with Mary's Thomas. We continue to make our way to today's four o'clock eastern trade deadline Bill Polian back with us and Bill without being specific is every team is different. What's going on in front offices around the league as you got ninety minutes or so? Until that deadline passes. Well, we're starting to raise the clock right now. Because three thirty is really the procedural deadline to get things done because you have to make sure that the paperwork is in if to make sure that the cap considerations are handled. So you're starting to race the clock now teams that are desperate to sell. Somebody are questioning whether or not their prices too, high people who are in the market to buy are questioning whether or not they want to pay the price, and we're really now down to card cutting time, this is when the rubber meets the road Bill. Let me ask you this. How do you guard against change for change's sake? Sometimes you wanna make a move so badly. It's not looking good it won't work out. And you could get reckless. How do you guard against that? Well, you just you say in your preparation which all began last week that you're not going to do that. And no matter how hard someone may push ownership marketing coaching. It doesn't matter as a GM. You have to say we're not throwing good money after bad. We're not going to chase a deal just to make a deal you have to be firm and resolute and understand that you have to get value. And and the likelihood is that that the odds of the guy helping your team if you're acquiring art our little higher than fifty fifty but not much. So you have to know who you want. You have to know what the price you. You're willing to pay is. And you have to be resolute about it over the next forty five or so minutes. They'll paul. Bill Polian says don't do it. You don't do it. They'll that's that's what we say around here too. By the way doubt about that. Again, just about ninety minutes or probably less. So now an hour and twenty and change until today's trade deadline. We've seen about six traits. I believe over the course of the last fourteen days or so there's still time we may or may not see any additional activity, but you know, what it never hurts to speculate field. That's what we do. Sometimes conjecture, what are some trades you'd like to see whether they're likely or not earlier in the show, we discussed the Shawn McCoy who said last night. I'm not sure if I'm going to be traded. What have you love to see Leshan McCoy on an offensive releases amick back like the Green Bay Packers? They got some really good production from Aaron Jones on Sunday against the Los Angeles. Rams. But we know that Mike McCarthy has perhaps been infamously reticent to use Aaron Jones and a work share our work horse role. I think maybe we forget how good Leshan McCoy is. Because of how I would just say dismal the. Offensive line is in buffalo right now. That will be a fun one for me. It's not going to happen. But wouldn't tyrod Taylor to the to the Jacksonville Jaguars alleviate? Some of the concerns are having right now. Tyrod Taylor good opportunity for tyrod Taylor, which I think we don't like to say, I know it's unlikely if not. Unfathomable right now. But what the Jaguars are looking for on offenses to run the heck out of the football beat you up front with the offensive line and not turn the football over. That's tyrod Taylor right there. And of course, they wanna play great defense to that will be one. And then I do believe that the cardinals. With Dale Buchanan has Saen Radic Radic linebacker by trade became a sort of hybrid linebacker slash safety players that maybe of late have seen a bit more playing time but earlier on in the year where none factors in this defense. And both of them were former first round picks got to keep an eye on a guy no longer needed to keep an eye on Maria's Thomas. We know he's headed to Houston. Here's John Elway on that decision. The girl was that. You know, it was we were not hell bent on on trading Damaris. If the value was there that we felt the value was there we felt that it can help us that way as far as the draft next year. And and that we thought that with the guys behind him that we could make up for the for the space that you know, he would he would leave. And so, you know, we got the value that we thought was fair, and that was the most important thing. So you know, I think that is never easy when you try again that's been a household name your long time. Then a lot of great things not only on the football field. But but also in the community, and it was a good, man. So plus it's a good spot for tomorrow's going to it from good football team. And that's in the pennant race where he's going. And so, you know, it'll be it'll be good for him too. We had probably three or four teams. Yeah. Clause. You're playing Texans. Something I thought about it. Yeah. I mean, obviously. But I think that ultimately we had to look past that and. Thought that it wouldn't affect our game and affect the outcome of the game that we felt that we can make that move and send him to Texas. Just to get good making at this point. Yeah. But you never know. But at this point in time, we are. Yeah. Chance. I mean, I think that they've all cordless played very very well and Tim Patrick played very well last week. And so, you know in a man does obviously playing very well too. And so we thought that this is give court Linda chance to get out there play more and become a bigger part of it. Because we think he's ready to go. And you know, he's played well up to this point in time. So hopefully, this exhilarated says maturity. We're now from that long ago. Now, I don't think, you know, obviously when you lose a guy like like Marius that we're gonna lose a little bit. But I think that what we're where we can make it up as with the youth and the young guys getting them experience and. Is this year? Continues to go. So I didn't think that it eliminated our ability to compete in and hopefully get it gave them a better second half than we've had and at the first half, and and went some football games. But I didn't think that that was going to impede it by making this move. And it also gave us some value that you know. We thought was important contributor will. Well, it's you know, you never know. I think that you know, I think that they'll look at the guys behind him though. I don't believe the young guys step up. And I think that's what's most important. And you know, personally, I think that the young guys ready to step up behind them and fill that void. And so with that with that as well as the value that we got we just thought that, you know. It was important to make the move. But trade your tenure players have something. Well, I mean, I think that anytime like I said with with you know, how Damaris carried himself since he's been here. I think it's always, you know. It's an end for for him and us I think, but it's not because I think as I told him, you know, he'll he'll always be a Bronco, you know, and so bit into his career here, but not his career in the NFL. And know that look at it as the fact that, you know, eventually the Broncos will be reunited with the Maria's. Man. It was hard. I mean, it's always hard. And I think that and I told him to I said, I know it's hard with everything that it was hearing out there, you know, and. Those type things are obviously very impossible to keep quiet in the end, you know. You know, unless something comes to fruition. I usually don't ever talk about them. Just because the fact is you know, a lot of times are just rumors. And so we can't control that night told him that we did the best we could to try to take care of him as well as take care of the Broncos. And and you know, but. You know, he was you know. See I wouldn't say surprised, but I think that you know, anytime you're somewhere, and I can only imagine never having never been traded. But imagine that you know, that there's a lot of unknown out there form now going to a new spot. But I'm sure you've. He'll fit right in his career stand up. You know, I think that he made so many big place. Obviously, the Pittsburgh one is the biggest one I think that stands out that we we all remember. But know, here's a guy that was very very productive and consistent for a long long time. And. You know was with health healthy most most of the time too. And so you that we could rely on. I'm top with you trust in. Bill file a lawsuit. What did you think of that? Do you have any concerns about the? You know stability at the top of the franchise narrow. I don't I like I said we we've talked about this earlier. And yes me about that. I think that you know, will work its way out, you know, I will say this that in my opinion in having worked with Joe, he's he's been that pillar force. And you know, so you know, that's still above our level. And we still have to concentrate on doing the best we can as far as trying to get back on track and win some football games. And and you know, we look at that as it will handle it self, and, but I just know in the long run that eventually no matter what happens. I think we're still going to be fine. How however whatever way that goes, I think that you know, the franchise in good shape. Well, and the you can't script it category. The Texans will face the Broncos. They'll travel to Denver on Sunday. The Broncos have said they will honor to marry Thomas complete with a thank you banner, and he'll be recognized. But you heard John say coach weren't hell-bent on trading. D'amoto Thomas, they found they thought if they found a good value something make benefit this team. Now, they would do it. Do you agree to that where they landed? Do I think anytime you make a trade you have to feel like you're going to be able to weather in most cases, even going all the way back to what the raiders did not going to figure out whether that was a good fit or not until down the road. Same thing here. I think both teams ended up pretty well. I think you know, Houston had a definite need. I mean, they don't lose will fuller for this season. They're not even in this straight up. So again, it's hard saying goodbyes all those things are this is a tough business that way but good from self. They're they're going to give them a good. Good. Send-off and shoot he gets to this show back up next weekend. So. You can't we can't miss you. If you don't leave. I think what John Elway saying about their current roster makes a lot of sense sudden has been very good. He mentioned Tim Patrick as well who has played some valuable snaps for them. And then you look at the division. Obviously. The chiefs are running away with the vision charges are ball team. Just doesn't appear like this is an ascending team right now. And so I think in terms of way that roster is currently laid out. It does make sense in their season has gone. It does make sense for them to get a good look at some of the young guys. And it was just like to add obviously was not hard for a way to remember that he was actually traded from by the coal so hard to say, I wouldn't know. No. I don't think you've really got locked in Baltimore. It's been a long time. There we won't. We won't. You know, interesting Adam said earlier on the show that one of the primary motivations for the Broncos is to get that four million dollars cap and don't forget cash savings to owners don't mind when they can save a little bit of cash if it also maybe potentially helps elevate the role the young player as Tim just mentioned court Lund's out all is go onto him right now. And I'm not saying that the difference between the Bronco stain competitive or not tanking but going to different direction is to marry his Thomas, but you sort of wonder if this is a ceremonial move. That represents that we need to start thinking towards the future. When you start thinking about twenty nine thousand nine am beyond whether the entire roster goes under evaluation. You've got cornerstone's like von Miller, and Chris Harrison, you know, some of the young pieces they have on this roster. But you wonder what kind of valuation we might see from the Broncos further down the line to season to look towards next season. And John Elway said it himself in regards to Cortlandt sudden, we also hope this move will accelerate his development. Give him the opportunity to continue. Ascending, Adam Schefter. We've seen to not. Trades today. We are just over an hour now until the deadline. What else is out there? What Wendy let's bring you the latest buzz right now that's going on around the league. The Jacksonville Jaguars or listening to offers for their former first round draft pick Dante Fowler right now. And there are a number teams. That are interested in him. It sounds like a trade is possible by the four o'clock deadline. The Packers are listening in for time. Montgomery who brought the kickoff out of the end zone on Sunday. And obviously right now if they could get a deal worked out for him. They would be willing to do that. There's been a lot of speculation about the New York Giants, and whether they would be willing to move on from Landon Collins Olivier Vernon ginormous Jenkins quiet right now on the eastern seaboard regarding the New York Giants and news fresh out of Seattle moments ago, the Seattle Seahawks released wide receiver Brandon Marshall. So there's a little bit of a news flash for you. Right there the Seahawks just released Brandon marshal the lions restructured the contract of Marvin Jones, freeing of two point two million dollars. So there's a flurry of activity here. We'll bring you the very latest as it winds down to the four o'clock trade deadline Jordan joins us. Now. He's with the giants as he always says. And we've seen the G men. Jordan, be quite active in the past few weeks. Are we done do you anticipate anything additional in the next hour or so? Yeah. We already saw the moves earlier last week right either. I apple Damon Harrison, and there has been thought that the giants those done yet. But it appears that they are. 'cause I got a text recently from someone around the league said to the belief is that the giants fire sale is over the one guy that may still be available and still give move though. It's at probably a long shot at this point is jenner's Jenkins. So colts cornerback he's made a Pro Bowl with the giants money is a factor there, and I asked the people randomly they his value was this at probably around throughout giants do something that's a round where the compensation would be right now with the giants. It seems like they're major moves were done last week Damon percent and Eli apple mean teams have called about Landon Collins teams have called about Odell Beckham junior. The see where that is those aren't happening. It doesn't appear likely one team that you might want to keep an eye out, especially when it comes with Jenkins and the giants defensive backs is the Kansas City Chiefs. They have been. Snooping around over the last few days. Jordan. Thank you at one in seven giant, clearly looking toward the future, and Tim I thought you made an excellent point earlier worth repeating that probably a little bit of a missed assessment here of where they were what their own roster looked like and what they were prepared for in two thousand eighteen. Yeah. They drafted a running back to think that was going to help their offense. They they made their left tackle the highest payed left tackle. And the game. At the time. They signed him thinking that you lie. Manning had a couple good years left. I remember Dave Gettleman talking about hey you lie. Manning was the one we saw in the Philadelphia game referring to the twenty seventeen game against the eagles. And it just that hasn't been the case. Look, we do the power rankings a lot of times on on Tuesdays, and they are twenty eight or. Or? Football team. Right. Not going in the right direction. So that's the pricing. We've also touched on just coming off of what Jordan is saying. They're yours Jenkins is under contract for this year. And then two years after that at numbers that aren't absurd based on how he's played. Fourth-round compensation for ginormous Jenkins to me. I would think that someone would be willing to pay that. I think if you're the giants you need to be busy over the next hour right now. Right. I mean, it makes all the sets come this far you might as well. Yeah. Our in two minutes, you need to be as busy as anybody in the league where passing numbers are skyrocketing players like janoris Jenkins who can play men coverage. And I'll bet he has some jecklin. Hi to them right there. You gotta take the good with the incurred risks there. But a player that should have some value in this league. And Jordan mentioned the Kansas City Chiefs unbelievably bad in terms of statistics defensively against the past. Maybe they kick the tires on generous Jenkins. That was definitely I mean, that's exactly what the doctor ordered for Kansas City Chiefs. It'd make a real push. I mean, these guys are having you know, light. Yep. Season a good cover guy would be really really good for them. Well, you heard Jordan nine say that the belief or at least a source telling him that the fire sale with the New York Giants is over. But you never know we have an hour to go. We can't leave you now four o'clock eastern. We're hanging come on with us. It's sportscenter special recapping and looking. Head starts right about now. We've seen a lot of boots in the past few days, Gordon on the move the raiders thing Khalil Mack to Chicago Bears. We made the trade headline-grabbing move. This is a move. That's been brewing for a while. Hopefully, we prove that a long-term we did the right thing. And the raiders now have three first round draft picks in twenty nine hundred the offers are going to get good holy cow by my reaction. This is a win now move when you make a trade length that we may see a lot of activity, Adam Schefter. He's got like ten phones working right now. You've got Landon Collins. You've got your Norris Jenkin. You gotta live gate Vernon. The giants already have shown that they're willing to trade. Anybody Maria's Thomas is still sitting out there? If you're the Buffalo Bills. Do you wanna go train the Shama point if they fifty seven of bell watts but whose downing right? So when you see four five six trainings before the trade deadline again this year. Well. Welcome inside our sportscenter special as we countdown quite literally in toll today. Four o'clock eastern NFL trade deadline. Glad to have you with us. I'm Wendy next field Yates, coach, John FOX, Tim Hasselbeck, and we have seen activity today. The first notable trade this afternoon came when the Broncos parted ways with Maria's Thomas sending Thomas to Houston Texan along with a seventh round pick a yet. Rick seventh-round, take fourth and seventh comeback to Denver. Ironically, these two teams will face each other in Denver on Sunday. Here's John Elway. On the decision. We're gonna lose a little bit. But I think that what we're where we can make it up as with the youth and the young guys getting them experience. And and you know. Is this year, you know, continues to go. So I didn't think that it eliminated our ability to compete in and hopefully get it gave them have a better second half than we've had and the first half and and went some football games. But I didn't think that that was going to impede it by making this move. And it also gave us some value that you know, we thought. We thought we'll go on the ground now to Denver where we check him with our Broncos reporter Jeff Legua who spoken with the Mary Thomas. Jeff, what do you have to say? When did I have not spoken with him today? But yesterday he was. I've tried to reach out today. But yesterday, he was almost resigned to the fact that he felt like a trade would be made. And then John Elway just finished here at the Broncos complex, and he characterized his discussions with various this morning as as hard really hard is how he how he phrased it. So this is no small move. You know, Elway was asked. What will this be? How will this be taken in the locker room and his response? Was you never know. So he knows that they have moved. They respected tenured player who was still performing at a at a pretty high level. And you know, it's just something they're going to have to deal with especially vents Joseph in the coaching staff moving forward. They will also have to adjust about a five storey high ban around the side of the stadium. There's one of two Marius and one of on Miller, they say the plans are to put a thank you on the banner and just leave it. For this weekend's games. All right. Jeff. Thank you. We'll go now for the Houston perspective. Here's our Texans. Reporter Sara barshop. Wendy. This was a move the Texans had to make they lost will fuller on Thursday night against the dolphins. When he tours ACL, and that dramatically changed the circumstances surrounding that deadline before this thing, we're really in the discussion for wide receiver. But after losing their number two receiver they knew that going to this game against Denver. They didn't really have many healthy pass catching options. So by adding Thomas, they give some much-needed death. Now, I talked to a Texans players said he's very explosive and you have to respect him to me that's really important because when beyond your half is on the field. And there's no one else stretching field or helping him out teams are keyed in Hopkins. Now, this trade to Thomas allows them to do the opposite. And it was a bonus for general manager Brian gain and head coach Bill Ryan to do this without giving up huge draft capital because the Texans had it, but they're gonna have some needs after the season. And they didn't have to give up. Round pick like the lions received for gold and tape. All right. Sarah, Jeff, thank you. Let's start with Houston since they on the receiving end of this trade coach finish this sentence by adding Damaris Thomas the Houston Texans do what or big they replaced will fuller in both the deep speed. We're they've gained. Some is Dominica's Thomas is a very big strong physical player. I mean, he can catch things. Go back inside. He's big tall for the red area. He's a little different probably not as much deep speed is. We'll currently has. But Demaria still has that with the added dimension of big catch radius in the big physical pass catcher, which I know Shawn Watson with like and he catches the ball and tight spaces. We'll hear from both of you in just a minute. But first, let's get some reaction from one of Thomas his teammates. Here's what a manual Sanders had to say. Declared has got five years win last. I kind of figured it was going to have you. So I went over hung out with him. He's going to be weird. He's been a luck. Rumors since I got out of your own. So I'm not happy about that. But at the same time as part of business understand, you know, Broncos guy do was best put a Bronco. So I guess, you know, as much earned, you know, beauty the war broke with Denver Broncos. Second challenge. Well, you heard John wet Elway say it is. Well, how will this be received? You never know. It's a change. This is a veteran player a tenured player. But again, I think players to a degree understand field. This business bainer standing including Demaria's Thomas who over the past couple of days. And I think it's fifty fifty that I could be traded. So there's no mystery that the Denver Broncos had been shopping to marry his Thomas for a few days, and I had imagined that Emmanuel Sanders courtroom signing cassette, linen Sutton in case keenum and other Broncos offensive players have been bracing for this moment. Now that does not mean that they don't have a little bit sticker shock right now to marry Thomas in coach foxing confirm. This has been a team captain for multiple years in Denver one of the most respected players on that roster. So when you lose that kind of presence, certainly, it means something the only active player in the NFL was six three years of seventy five or more catches a lot of productivity, but they get and Cortlandt Sutton going up and making contested catches in vertical. Shop lays down the field. Aku Saugus Kansas City that kind of off. That's a little bit. It softens the blow if you will on the field, but to marry his Thomas like nothing but endless pride for him. And what he accomplished in Denver and for Houston a team that has won five streak has a two game losing division. It's a totally sensible move right now, you cannot stay in fat with up as they had in place. LA also said he he told to marry this will be good for you as well. I mean, presumably that's the case. What else are you gonna say really these teams play each other on Sunday? The Broncos say they'll give a big thank you in terms of the Broncos. They also hope it allows them to evaluate Tim some of their younger talent Cortlandt chief among them and gives him some additional opportunities have been playing. Anyway, I mean, they haven't playing with the Mary us on the roster. And so now gives them an opportunity to play more. And you know, Emmanuel Sanders saying well now gives me the chance to be the number one guy. He's been the number one guy this year. I mean, he's he's been foreign away case keenum's favorite target. So I think. Listen, if there's a player, that's that's not upset about it. It be as manual Sanders in that he truly is the featured guy at the wide receiver position for the Broncos. Look, I I think the thing that has stuck out to me not knowing him personally in here in coach talk about him here in John Elway talk about him. Very few times. You are you do that. You're concerned about how this plays in the locker room. I mean, I do think that there is something to that. You know, we sit here we're talking about contracts talk about where they fed do. They help the team that's got to remember relationships are formed in a lot of these guys end up being close. And if it's somebody that is really well respected in terms of being a good player. How he approaches it how he treats the other people in the building. It can't have a really bad effect on your football team your entire team, especially going forward. So to trade away, a guy that's a captain, and well respected is not always a really good thing to do. All right. We saw four trades in the weeks or days leading up to today. We've seen to today. Damari Thomas the first, and then this golden Tate departs Detroit. He leaves the motor city instead. Head to the Philadelphia Eagles. He becomes an additional weapon for Carson Wentz. The giants trae the lion die fixate trading Tate to the eagles. We're joined now by our hall of fame. GM Bill Polian Bill when you look at the back and forth of this. Golden Tate decision. What's your take? Well, it's really interesting. Let's look at it. From the eagles point of view. The only one you can win is the one you can win. Now they needed another receiver who and another player who can provide chunky arted in their offense and not getting the chunk yardage from the running game because of the injuries. They needed a player who could provide that golden Tate. Absolutely can't. He's a rental a third. A high price to play for a potential rental player because he's coming to free agency at the end of the season. But when you're in the hunt to win a world championship as they are. And you have the weapons that they have it is much much better off to pay the price. Then regret having faded and not help you football team. From Detroit's perspective. It's interesting. They it looks like are unwilling to pay a little receiver. Golden Tate is not big and strong and tall and fast. The way some of the patriot receivers, and this is a patriot blueprint. No question about it. They traded for snacks Harrison who's a big player in the middle. So the transition of the lions to the patriot way in terms of how they use personnel. And who they reward seems to be trending ever more in that direction. I bel- we mentioned to Marius Thomas earlier as well. He goes to Houston. John Elway talk. About the decision. I don't know if you heard him, but regardless how does this play out for both these two teams? Well, I heard John, and I respect them greatly. And and obviously, I think he's evidencing whatever general manager feels on a day like today in terms of the marriage Thomas with the Broncos. He was a player who had plateaued. He wasn't going to send anymore Cortlandt Sutton was behind him and needed playing time, and they were in the market therefore for an ability to get something for them while he's still had something left, and when preparation meets up retune ity there, you have a trade to Houston when we'll full it went down. Houston was devoid of a downfield talent devoid of a guy who could make plays opposite. The Andrea Hopkins and here is Demaria's Thomas still plateaued, but not at the end of his career and an ability to step right in and give the Shawn Watson another valuable. Reliable target, and John FOX said it best. He can catch the ball in really tight spaces. He may not be able to separate like a used to. But with those long arms and strong hands. He can make plays on contested bulls. So this was a good trade really for both teams. They'll thank you. And again these two teams play each other on Sunday. Don't go anywhere. We'll get back to you in just a minute right now, though, we turn to Adam Schefter atom under an hour to go. Now, do you hear we'll Wendy forty eight minutes to go into the trade deadline and his Bill Polian pointed out before don't forget that sometimes teams have submitted paperwork by then you remember the failed trade between the Browns and the Bengals last year that involve AJ McCarron that they did not get in in time that were broke out after fifteen minutes after the deadline. So keep it all on the trade deadline at four o'clock. But there could be something afterwards in the minutes after. And of course, we have right now the name that we're watching as we speak. Is that Dante Fowler? The Jacksonville Jaguars defensive. In who is once I believe the third overall pick in the draft who's been a disappointing player so far in Jacksonville is somebody that Jacksonville gotten Kohl's on and looks intent upon dealing. The Jaguars have been asking for two third round draft picks in return for Dante Fowler. We'll see whether they can get that. A lot of people have wondered whether Jacksonville will make a move at quarterback. It will not we've said that before. And it seems to be true now they are rotting out with Blake Bortles and Cody Kessler as their quarterbacks, and they are prepared to move forward. With those two particular players another player to watch as the four o'clock. Trade deadline approaches is time Montgomery in Green Bay with him. Fumbling kickoff in the fourth quarter that denied Aaron Rodgers the chance to go. Get the ball back into beat the unbeaten Los Angeles. Rams. The Packers have taken some Kohl's on time on Gumri. We'll see whether they get a trade partner in the next forty five. Or so minutes, the New York Giants who have been connected to trade talks involving janoris Jenkins and Landon Collins and. VA Vernon don't appear right now to have anything close or percolating at this particular moment. So it looks like the giants are going to stay quiet right now. Wendy, thank you, perhaps the fire sale is complete. We'll be back with you shortly as we make our way through this. Final hour press coverage though right now from our Joe Stena Anderson on another wide receiver on the move. She says I'm told Terrell Pryor is traveling back to buffalo with his current intentions to sign with the bills at this time time, I come reform will the kickoff return late against the Rams it costs Aaron Rodgers and the Packers chance to drive down the field and possibly win that game reports indicated that he had defied his coaches instructions to simply take a knee. So maybe not a huge surprise. The time Comrie has been traded to the Baltimore Ravens. Adam. How did this all come together? We'll Wendy this just in basically the Green Bay Packers just traded time on to the Baltimore Ravens for a seventh round draft pick in two. Twenty twenty. So it's a delayed pick not mistress. But in the next one and the Baltimore Ravens get another offensive weapon that they could use the running back and wide receiver position. Keep in mind that time Montgomery's contract was up after the season. And so the Packers were going to lose him anyway. But the fact that they're willing to trade him. Now shows you how much they were willing to move on from him at this point in time. And also, I think the feeling was mutual when he doubled that kickoff at the end of that game right there that told everybody you saw how upset everybody was in Green Bay that was his last play with the Packers. But the Baltimore Ravens will happily. Give him a fresh start right now. And so there's another trade that's come in before the four o'clock deadline. We now have about forty more minutes to go. It would not be surprised if we still get another trade. I think the next raid to watch his Dante Fowler of the Jacksonville Jaguars with teams calling but time on gummy is the latest player to get traded on this very busy trade deadline day. We've now seen today. To marry his Thomas dill from Denver to Houston, golden Tate dealt from Detroit to Philadelphia and time on Gumri dealt from Green Bay to Baltimore. I had has been a busy day. We continue to wait on our Packers. Reporter rob demoss key. He'll join us shortly. But coach you said it this morning change change with coming in Green Bay with regards to tie Montgomery. You could just tell too much information that was coming out of the Green Bay Packers organization, whether it was from players coaches or whatnot. But I think you know with the emergence of the running back situation there in Green Bay. I think they were they could afford to move on. And I think with Baltimore they've got now in more pass catching oriented type running back to give them another weapon in particularly on third down at three point seven yards for K for Alex Collins so far this season less than three yards per carry for buck Allen so far this season. My my reaction really though is about time on Gumri just the fallout of events the sequence of events, and maybe I just didn't know sort of. How he was perceiving this locker, but I felt like a couple of years ago. This was a guy as recently as last year routinely praised for versatility his toughness to make a position change to go from wide receiver to running back falling out of favor is probably the polite way of putting it right now. And I get it last Sunday. This was a massive change of events that was caused by his poor decision to take the football out of the end zone on kickoff return, but life comes at you fast right now in the NFL and for now, maybe the big winner in Green Bay side is Aaron Jones who twelve carries eighty six yards and a touchdown last week. Finally got his shot. He should be very busy. And it starts this Sunday at a game that I understand that. It's not technically a must win. But you might as well call it that for the Packers who are in the midst of a four of five games on the road stretch. It's amazing how things can change quickly. When you go from being a guy that they are trying to find a way to get on the field to being a guy that they are replacing doesn't time on a receiver. Who is a good returner who they like how? This guy on the field. That's make him a running back. And then he was featured. And all of a sudden you're watching Aaron Jones Jamal Williams play. And all of a sudden, maybe you don't like being agreement Packers much as it seemed like he thought you did. I mean, that's typically how it happens players. I'm not I'm not assassinating this character either. Because he did like you said to me I was there in that division when he went from receiver to running back when they were completely out of running back. So I think it's just the timing of it could work out both for both teams fall from grace. I agree with you feel that is a polite way of that is a tough play by the way to injure a career in Green Bay on. But nevertheless, that's the case. Rob do Moskvy. What more can you add here? Well, Wendy, even before Montgomery had the fumbled kickoff. His role had been greatly reduced. He only played six snaps against the Rams on Sunday. His last play before the fumbled kickoff was an incomplete pass. And that's what he came off the sideline very frustrated very upset told us yesterday. In the midst of all the talk about the fumble that he doesn't know what is role is on this eve and clearly the role had been reduced this the guy who did sacrifice himself as he said he loved he made the move in season midseason from receiver to running back for the good of the team. And he said he'd look I know it could affect the late that my career, but I'm going to do it. It is a hard ending. But look with the emergence of Aaron Jones the reliability of Jamal Williams in pass protection. It really made time Gummer's role limited. And then the kickoff return. The fumble the decision to bring it out when he shouldn't have was really just the final straw. The Packers are though Wendi just a little thin at halfback now with just only those two guys on the. Roster. Unclear what Levy on bell will rejoin dealers he has yet to sign. His franchise tender that means he cannot be traded before today. Four o'clock eastern deadline, and then no player can be traded after death jet by has fast. And we've got about thirty two minutes is ready. That deadline Jeremy Fowler. I loved the best part of my day. How are you? Whereas Levy bell. When if he coming what do, you know? Wendy. It's going to bring some sunshine here in Pittsburgh. But Levy on Bill is not expected to be traded by that four pm deadline. Let something crazy happens in the next half hour, but bell has not taken a physical. He is not signed. And you can't trade an unsigned player. And so the Steelers are expected to stand Pat, and they are open to bell writing out this year with the Steelers as one source told me of Bill shows up and he plays. Well, then everybody's happy. And they'll himself doesn't want to be traded. He wants to be a Steeler long-term. He told me he didn't think there were any major suitors out there in the month of October. And so they got to figure out a way to play James Connor and lady on bell now on the cornerback front. I thought the Steelers might look into making some moves there they need help. Artie burns has struggled as the second cornerback opposite Joe Haden. But I am told that they are not expected to make a move for generis Jenkins or the other big name Cornerbacks out there again unless something changes drastically at the deadline. They're not intrigued enough to make a major move at that front. Ben route. This burger really quick on the injury front has a left index finger fracture. But he's expected to play on Sunday. All right. Jeremy, thank you. Again. That's his left hand is non throwing hand. We appreciate it. Anything changes? You know, get back in touch. We'd appreciate it. Adam schefter. What what can you add? We'll thirty minutes to the trade deadline, Wendy and right now. Jacksonville's fielding calls on Dante Fowler. It's been asking for two third round picks in return for the former first overall for the four former third overall pick also two other wide receiver notes the lions have restructured the contract of Marvin Jones, freeing up two point two million dollars in catch base and a short time ago the Seattle Seahawks released veteran wide receiver Brandon Marshall who absolutely wants to continue playing shift. There's a team out there. There's looking for a receiver then replacement Brandon Marshall now available Wendy, all right, shefty. Brandon Marshall available again, we are right about the half hour. Mark. Let's circle back to Levy on bell for just a minute field. What's your your take on the way there scenario plays out? Now that like for all intents and purposes, he won't be traded. We've been spending so much time. We said this earlier on might have even been in the previous show at this point of the trade deadline countdown that forever. We were thinking what is the Steelers plan for lady on? Bell? How are they approaching situation with lady, I'm bell? They're approaching it like this for now on the balls of his court. We are rolling along with James Connor and the rest of our offense of artillery until or unless lady on bell shows up because there's nothing they can do it feels as though one person one person only knows what lady unbalanced going to do for now. And that's and I think that we can concede that lady on chain plans might change in his own mind. But the day by the hour by the minutes. Yeah. Look at all the money. He has relinquished to this point. And I understand that this is always been about twenty nine thousand nine m beyond for lady on bell. But it's clear now that if you're the Steelers like you have already moved on from lady on bell. But week to week you're moving on from it, you are and you use the term rolling along and under cells. What James CONNER has done? I mean, he's been fantastic. I would not call him adequate. It's not as if he's stepped in and sort of stopped the Daleus. He has been exceptionally productive coach, I think it's the big turnaround in the Pittsburgh Steelers season, you know, both in the run. Game as well as as a pass receiver. So you know, the benefit of this has been James Connor. And that's why they drafted him. And that's why he was picked again. What on does not sure I was back in little surprise at Jimmy followed in walk-off when asked about living. It's been a while. But I think Pittsburgh very position, you know, living on when he comes in again, if he's serious about wanting to remain a Steeler, it's going to be important how he conducts himself over this next eight or nine weeks or however long the season goes to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Look, I mean, I think have been clear his desire because I think that it's been hard for a lot of people understand why he would forfeit is much money. He's forfeited this season, his desires to be healthy and have a crack at free agency in two thousand nineteen. I mean, and he is banking on the fact that somebody is going to sign him to a long term deal. And if he's essentially looking to kind of at least what it seemed like he was looking for was to blow the running back market kind of out of the water. I don't get the sense that this year has helped that I mean, and obviously he's going to report it some point because in order to get that path to free agency needs to be on. Roster for at least six games. So that's correct. And so I think when you look at that. You know, I would think that eighteen that's going to invest long-term in a lot of guaranteed money is going to want to see him play the season at some point at some level rather than have an entire year off. I think it's gonna be interesting to see this play out if it may very well work, okay and two thousand nine hundred ninety protected in its entirety. But you don't know. I think this will we curious to watch. As we go forward press coverage from Justin Anderson again with more wide receiver news. She says I'm told bucks wide receiver to Sean Jackson has been told by the team. He will not be traded. And at this point. There is thirty minutes to go in the NFL trade deadline, twenty one minutes. Thirty seconds to go, Adam Schefter, more news. What you've got will where do this just came in moments ago? But basically the Jacksonville Jaguars just traded Dante Fowler to the loss. Angeles Rams for a third round pick in twenty one thousand nine hundred and a fifth round pick in twenty twenty two draft picks and. Exchange for the former third overall pick. And basically the Rams had been looking for somebody to rush to quarterback from the edge. They believe that Don Fowler. We'll be able to do that. Now, Jacksonville and open to get to those round picks back in return. You see why the trait remain where did three and a five Rams did not want to pour with two threes. But they did want to get that pass rusher. Dante Fowler with somebody that they identified he's had some character issues down in Jacksonville. But he does have talent it somebody at the Rams felt that they needed to try to continue this own beaten season to get somebody to match up with indomitable sue and Aaron Donald and Michael Brock along their front line. And they think that Wade Phillips the defensive coordinator can't get that type of pass rush out of him. And I'm thanking the rich get richer. We will turn now to former GM Bill. Paulie abell? What's thought process here? If you're the Jacksonville Jaguars will Fowler had been a disappointment on and off the field in Jacksonville hadn't produced. He was not a starter. And he had some difficulties off the field. So this was a question of cutting ties with a player who who they really had been disappointed in the. Essentially, a third the fifth is a is a sweetener that just makes it look better. And so you've traded a guy who is essentially a nonproductive number one of for third round pick. That's what it boils down to. And sometimes you're better off in Jacksonville's case with addition by subtraction. And then in the case of the Rams that they didn't pay terribly high price for player who does have talent. But has not shown it does far with any degree of consistency on or off the field bell. Thank you addition by subtraction. Is exactly what I thought of. If you believe he's been a disappointment. I in terms of the character issues end the production on the field. But I you know, if you're the Rams. How good is this team thrall in play that they are on your list chips. You're on the table. They are fantastic there. Ain't no right now, they have an offense that continues to find ways to stress a defense that they haven't previously put on film week-to-week, which is part of why they're so difficult to defend and prepare for, but what I would say about the defensive front is that the best way to apply apply pressure to a quarterback is by doing so much different angles. You've got to play records, and John and soon Aaron Donald who leads the NFL ten sack so far this season. I don't want to say the Dante Fowler has been a dominant player. He's shown flashes. He's had one good season. He's also had his Bill Luda to some behavioral issues a player that was suspended for a week of training camp this year, for example, but a change of scenery can do really well for people at some points, and he gets away from Jacksonville where he was not an afterthought, but wasn't a primary focal point of their pass rush every single week in the way that the Rams are going to need them to be right now in Los Angeles. Like, it makes sense to take the risks to be honest with you eat sax last year. The guy that can get close to double digits axes not easy to do. And so I think that that is significant I think the issue there is that for whatever reason doesn't didn't fit in with the team. You know, he wasn't a starter. I think that was an issue for him. There are a lot of big personalities on that defense. And sometimes you know, that doesn't always match but he's had two sacks on the season. But hasn't played thirty snaps in a single game this year for Jackson wasn't even playing for Jacksonville. So I think for from Jacksonville's perspective, the guy that didn't appear to be well liked in the locker room was playing a very limited role for you. And it makes sense to to get rid of them. I guess at that point didn't pick up his fifth year option in. So that's what you were dealing with Fowler. And then at least for the Rams like there's a guy that at least has shown that he can get close to being double digit sack guy. I think again, it's it's obviously disappointing for Jacksonville. I'm talking about the pick and currency. They used to take valor. But you know, the one thing I'll say about the Rams is less knee in in the Rams is. A total organization are and. Had gone out. And they've made those changes and they've really been pretty good inside with their pass rush. But they haven't had that outside element that really's been matchup problem. And then I heard they were kind of looking for something available on the outside. And I think it's a good mix for them to for third and fifth. Well, it's interesting for Dante fell at first time out of Florida. Born in Florida plays college football flora Jacksonville. Because he's not just going to Georgia, Tim. No, he's going away the country. That's right. All right. As we continue to approach. The trade deadline October has already seen eight trade steak place, including a couple of giants moves ally. Apple as well as Damon snacks Harrison changing teams, and we have matched last year's October trade total of eight there was speculation really leading into the early part of this week Jordan Vernon as we say Hello that the giants weren't done that there would continue to be if you will a fire sale, sixteen minutes to go. I would say probably that. That's not the case. Yeah. That's fair to say right now if anyone's gonna get moved at this point, it looks like it would probably be generis Jenkins. So he's a guy who's proven to be a Pro Bowl cornerback who could help team he is a fairly reasonable contract. Two more years left after this. But this year not overly expensive. So a team like the teeth might be able to fit him in especially for this year and make a run on it. That's a team you here with interest in some of the giants defense backs. Now, another player teams have called about has been landing count. But this is a player the giants don't necessarily want to get rid of now. Maybe would they have done it if the right offer came that blew them away. Sure, probably let's the same with a lot of guys on the roster. But the giants very high asking price apparently for Landon Collins, and he doesn't appear to be going anywhere at this point same with guys live EA Vernon and even manning. Remember, he has that no trade clause in really zero market firm at this point. So the giants look like they're moves primarily we're done. Last week with and Damon Harris. Week nine football matchup a crucial one between three and fourteen coming off the bye in Dallas. It's the titans and Cowboys and the Dallas debut for Mario Cooper, eight fifteen eastern five fifty on ESPN simul, captain Spanish on ESPN two quick look at what we seemed to day to marry Thomas a Bronco. No more Denver extending comets to the Texans. These two teams each other in Denver on Sunday. The Broncos day they will honor to marry you. After that, we saw golden Kate headed out of the motor steady. He leaves Detroit bound to join the rating Super Bowl champion Tiba comes and fish no weapon for Carson Wentz that t- arrives to the eagles taivon's. Fumbled. A kickoff return late against the Los Angeles. Rams it caught Aaron Rodgers Dan the Packer the chance to drive down the field and score. And so with reports indicating time Montgomery had his it his coaching decisions. Are he is headed to the Baltimore Ravens tie Montgomery traded as well. And then the final trade we've seen so far without fifteen minutes to go Dante junior having been a disappointment in Jacksonville both on and off the field. He said it to Los Angeles. Rams. He was born in Florida played college ball there. So the first time he leaves the state of Florida to play football, Adam Schefter. We're still Belling here. We got some time. Do we have another trade? Yeah. We do. The deadline and the Green Bay Packers have traded ha ha Clinton Dix to the Washington Redskins. We do not know the exact compensation return yet. But ha ha Clinton Dix who had been rumored to be dealt from Green Bay has now been traded into the Packers have cap, they're busy afternoon with trades. Trading time Montgomery to the Baltimore Ravens for a seventh round. It can twenty twenty and Clinton Dix to the Washington Redskins who have been the lowest polls out during the trade deadline. We seem to giant straight away player. We've seen the Cowboys straight for March Cooper. We seen the Philadelphia Eagles trade for golden tape. And now the first place Redskins Charlie joined the party, and they have traded for a ha ha Clinton Dix to help fortify their secondary a busy day in that Packers front office. And you just saw the tweet from ha ha Clinton Dixie tweeted just a few moments ago much love, y'all. It wasn't fact a busy trade deadline day. You can see the recap. We've got one two three four five trade today. And then we saw a number of notable names moved even before today. So all in all an active trade season. Bill Polian back with us for a final time. I'll ask you your biggest takeaway from today. Well, golden take to the eagles. I think they get a guy. Do the eagles who can make big plays with the ball in his hand running it from the slot catching it they get chunky yardage back that they lost in the running game in another way and at a reasonable price. I am chapter. Plenty got gun today is expected, but you know, what they were number feels left on the table as well. What Wendy look we've been waiting for the New York Giants to make another trait as of right now a few minutes before the trade deadline. The giants having traded anybody the Oakland Raiders having traded anybody else as well. The Arizona Cardinals some people speculated could be moving on from Patrick Peterson day on beginning. They haven't done anything right now. The Jacksonville Jaguars did not do anything at the quarterback position. Also mild surprise, but the Packers metoo moves today. Trading. Ha ha Clinton Dix to the Washington Redskins and tie Montgomery to the Baltimore Ravens for twenty twenty seventh round draft pick. And of course, it's almost four o'clock and still no official word from levian bell. Which means he's not going to be traded from Pittsburgh this season. He's still has not shown up at the Steelers training facility. We have no idea. Exactly. When Libya, I'm Bill weir report. So even though there's been this flurry of activity, some things just remain exactly as we would expect. With levy. I'm bell. Thank you, shefty as we're under the three minute, Mark. Now, I do feel like Jeremy Fowler ships. Get some sort of hazard pay for having to ask Mike Tomlin about Levy on balance hill. This thing gets wrapped up. Now. We're looking at really at a two week deadline for bell in order for him to return and then vest for the season. I'll just ask you around the table. What what do you take away from today? A couple of things. Look, I understand the golden take trade. I think you look at the defensive front, Brandon Graham, Chris long, Michael Bennett. Hello de NADA like Ila old players. And so I think it up a third round pick for a guy that you're going to have for eight games to me that ended up seeing like it was a lot, especially when you consider you know, kind of just the way their roster set up. I'm not saying golden take can help him. I think he will. But you also have a twenty five year old quarterback that you want to be good for the next decade. It's not just about making a run in my estimation. The threat I like the most Damaris Thomas because I like it on both sides. I think it was perfect for the Broncos to see young players play. And obviously a need for the Texans. Coach. Well, I think you know, again, the aggressiveness of the Rams going on. Getting Dante Fowler. I think that's kind of maybe the missing piece of the puzzle that they didn't really address in the off season. Like they did their corner. You got keep Toledo coming back. I think fortunately soon the guy I'm really happy for because it's never easy being traded is Thomas because I think you really liked Shawn Watson, and he'll like the organization of the Houston Texans veteran presence in that locker room for a long time in Denver. So it'll raise him eyebrows. But it's a it's the way it works. You have final trade that we saw the most recent one that we saw was ha Clinton Dix going from the Packers to the Redskins or the Packers trade away to players and time, Montgomery and Clinton Dix. But I liked this move for the Washington Redskins. You just wearing from playing terrific football for them at a couple of interceptions in recent notable games. And this is a team that we know without up front. They have held over the past three games. Saquon Barkley Zeke, Elliot and Christian McCaffrey to ninety one combined rushing yards but being good affront bean stout in the middle of the defense. It's not just having good defensive lineman. It's been good all the way at all three levels that they've really fortified a second. Or that's been a surprise. So far this season in a positive way. Well, let me ask you this. You heard Adam Schefter talk about the deals. It didn't get done a team that didn't make a move that. We speculated might was New England. How active were they feel that? Now, you're plugged in. There certainly been pretty active always making calls and exploring options for them. I think ultimately when you play a Monday night game does impact or Tuesday trade deadline and Bill it they played last night. But the patriots have certainly found their footing offensively now comes down with it. They can tighten things up on defense. We have these guys get their paperwork and on time. Coach we've seen that movie before make sure everything's working signed sealed and delivered. We're literally just seconds away. So I guess that. That's that. Right here. We'd love to we feel for you. And eventually, we'll see Levy bell. We're out guide.

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Top 6 Early Under The Radar Favorites

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Top 6 Early Under The Radar Favorites

"Talking heads fantasy football podcast show. Here your hosts Jeff carrier itself wall. Welcome to the NFL talking head podcast. I'm your host right with field. Joining me as always your analyst, Jeff carrier and Seth lull guys. How are we doing tonight? Doing very good. Very good. Very what it feels that Ryan's first intro in the hot seat between set tonight as we're about to get into midseason debate form. So I'm excited is nice to have somebody. Introducing the show that's much. That's actually articulate and doesn't use words out of context all the time. So I thought that was already Ryan's first introduction already ten times better than Jeff's. I kinda show is going to be south. You know, you already I'm coming out swinging already. It's may and I'm already. You trying to bury me in. Unlike unlike you for all of our episodes, I had to handle two jobs, the host the analysts the smart person. Okay. Having the smart person. One in Ryan Ryan's the host now. So. We'll let him take it away. Well, says put a lot of pressure on me like Paul Pierce after game. One calling it for me. And now it's now it's only downhill from here. So to get kicked off though, I guess I'll turn to Jeff. I just as our opening today. You know, what is there becoming off draft tubes ago now, so what was your favorite rookie landing spot fallen draft weekend? I think my favorite. I'm gonna give you two one is the first one is kind of boring. I overall pick we play in two quarterback leagues. We reference to quarterback leagues allot and Cuyler Murray. I thought was my pick like I'm going to be taking him extremely high in rookie drafts for our two quarterback dynasty rookie drafts. Everything that they've added to the team and the change in office. We're gonna remember we had a Jeff Fisher moments in Arizona last year with Steve folks. So it's going to be a dramatically different team. Now a little bit more savvy choice other than the number one overall pick in the draft with Calum Murray would have been the wide receiver that Arad also drafted Andy Isabelle out of UMass. The actually traded up to get India's a bell in the second round. This is a carbon carbon copies is kind of cliche term. But when you look at him, he can't help think better version of the indium Dollah, Julian Doman burner quick clip things. Bury's already said they want to use both as horizontal sideline sideline as they can in the field. He fits what imagined to be a great offense. Utilizing that horizontal offense. So I really like anti Isabel. If you watch the tape out of UMass guy catches everything in out of cuts. Extremely fast gonna go completely on meet the radar one of my one of my favorite landing spots. Great. How about yourself I-? Josh Jacobs going to Oakland first round running back. I mean before the draft if we were to kind of think about the the best spots for running a running back a first round running back like Josh Jacobs a land Oakland would be in the top five is given there. They want to run the football. There's no more marshawn Lynch marshlands had a pretty good season last year too. Kind of a revamp offense to some extent, and I running back going somewhere where he's going to get touches on day one. And he's going to get the goal line carries. And he has the chance have a really good season. Hopefully, it isn't like a rush. Art, penny situation all over again by like on paper. I like Josh Jacobs going in the first round. I think he has to be in dynasty in dynasty rookie drafts. He has to be the the number one pick. I would say off the board. Yet agree with that the one thing I guess I'll turn over to both you on this to get caught up on this topic too long. Just back to you Jeff on your pick with three young receivers. David Johnson in the targets. He's gonna demand. Is there any concern in Arizona about kind of unpredictability of target share amongst those four guys. Yeah. I think that's definitely gonna be definitely a concern for sure the good thing is that most of these players you're going to be selecting on resort outside of David Johnson are going to be had at a decent value because of that for one for two. The couple of them are rookies, right? They also jotted another wide receiver hiking Butler, and then you have second year receiver in Christian Kirkwood, a pretty decent rookie campaign. And then of course life it's Gerald's. But none of them are going, you know at extremely high rate. Cost value for traffic wise. So that's at least the that's at least the good side of the unpredictability. So I say a lot of times when you have an offense that you think you like or you know, you like the proven this one's obviously unproven you go and get a couple of pieces and just hope that you hit. Yeah. I think that's pretty comprehensive answer there. And while you you mentioned value there. So I guess is probably good time to turn it over to our our main topic of the day looking at top six under the radar guys meaning guys fifth rounder later going in the draft this year. So I turn it over to Seth first year in guess lead us off Seth with your first guy in your thoughts. I definitely want to lead off because I we haven't seen each other's lists. So we might have some of the same players, and I wanna beat him to the punch on his player because I think this is a no brainer. My favorite player when we talk about this topic. You know, the six players that are kind of under the radar at this point. You know in may, I I love Howard boy, six point. Oh, four six round receiver is coming off a thousand plus yard seven touchdown seventy five plus catch season instance, Anat new head coach Zack Taylor who's the quarterbacks. Coach of the Los Angeles Rams last season. Kind of that offense completely turned around with the emergence of Jared Goff, one of the more exciting offenses in. Let's let's face it. No Marvin Lewis. It's a dish by subtraction. So I love the prospects of Cincinnati's offense. Maybe taking a step forward. Tyler boy, you know, last year was he finished nineteenth in yards tied for sixteenth and touchdowns in seventeenth in the NFL in catches in right now if you look at ADP, he's the twenty seventh wide receiver off the board, according based on ADP. So I think that's great value. Last year was what harbored Tyler Boyd's third receives it in the NFL's. We're gonna be slur words together third season in the NFL breakout season. I think he's gonna even take stuff for I think you look at last season as the low are remark. I think thousand yards eighty plus catches maybe ten touchdowns, I think that's realistic. And I think in the six round that's absolute slam dunk, you know, getting tired boy there. So my favorite my favorite player when we talked about this. So did you lead off with your favorite? Or did you lead off with number six my favorite? I mean, I don't ever want. I'm not ranking these in order, these are an order. But I wanna talk about in first before for you mentioned him. So okay. Okay. Well, as usual set doesn't follow directions very easily we need to you know, write it out for him. And apparently, I didn't do that. Well enough. So I'm gonna be we ranking these these an order. Yeah. I have like any other lists. Seth I have mind going, you know, in descending order from six one moving the goalposts. On the topic though. I mean in terms of the player Tyler board. I definitely saw him definitely considered him. I don't think we mentioned for everyone listening. We only chose players that were from the fifth round in on. Right. So no one in round one through four that might have been a little bit easier choice over definitely going more on the radar. I think everything that you mentioned is is spot on. They don't have Marvin Lewis. He had a good year last year finish as a pretty high ranking wide receiver. He's going outside the round five. This speaks this type of player in this kind of value speaks to what we preach. You're in a year outset which is what get the points and a while. I don't have him top six. I think it's a very solid choice and is going around later someone like Jarvis Landry who I like as well who's going in the fifth round tower boys going full round later and he had more receiving yards. More touchdowns only six less catches than Jarvis Landry. Very similar players. Jarvis Landry much sexier Cleveland's offense offense as much sexier, but you can get a player like tower Boyd around later. I think it's a win win. All right. I'll hit you with my number six. Okay. Starting verse water here. I don't know if you could maybe put the pieces together back over there with your listen, maybe start from number five for you. Anything for you? Number number six Seth I want you to tell me what team is person on. He's going undrafted. Okay. I'm coming out of the gate swinging here. Okay. Now, I like to pick a little. I didn't want to go that route. I wanted to go a little more unique. So I have a couple of really weird ones. This is one of them. Tell me what team Chris Herndon place for. The jets. Good job. I guess we are guess we are fancy football analyst. I thought I could catch you on that one. Chris tied in of the New York Jets was a rookie last year going undrafted. Now, everyone knows or what they should know is that after you know, tight end five it's a crap shoot the difference between tied and six last year. And guess what? Number tight end, Chris Hurn was last year if you can get this. I don't know. Maybe like fifteen sixteen year. He was sixteenth guy who a guy who is completely underneath the radar known. Probably a lot of people don't even know that he existed in the NFL was a sixteenth of tight end. He was only forty points fifty points away from tight end six tude from tight end six that's the margin of difference that you're dealing with. Once you get outside the elite tight ends. So obviously, we're going to be preaching draft the tight ends. But if you don't someone like Chris Herndon is I'm expecting to have a better year than last year. He's at sixteenth. He is seventeen points away from tight end one who's getting undrafted. I mean, I've left you speechless. I. I'm glad he's your sixth on this list. I I mean. Yeah. Sure. I mean, the titans tight ends the top position. If you don't get one of the four five tight ends. I mean, I think there's a lot of tight ends, which we might talk about in separate episode. There's a lot of tight ends like the LeBron's the world. You're going to have to pay a premium for based on maybe fluky production last season. I've always gone the route. If I don't get one of the stud tight ends like Zakar, the Travis Kelso's, I like just taking a stab at a couple of these these late round flyers like, you know, off the Austin Hooper's the world impasse years. So it's a solid solid one. Yeah. And that's because I know what we preach a lot, and that's going to be our strategy. And we're going to stay away from this v six round where you're gonna pay for an OJ Howard. Hunter Henry these types of players, so. I like how tire boy you said you like agree with me. And then he said, well, I thought about him. I thought about going that route. It's like what route is that like good player? Chaki route is just more talk. That's all okay. This is under the radar tried to go little more in the radar with a couple of these. What do you think of Chris Chris Hernan Ryan? So I'll take the training wheels off your and kind of start letting my cocky personality fly on the show. If you don't believe me, go back and check my preseason episode with the boys bureau fueled fantasy last year. I talked about Kris her then in the preseason last year because he was a guy likes his tape on from college. However, he got an drunk drunk drunk driving incident. I believe in the preseason, and I looked and said, okay undrafted guy drunk driving. There's no way he makes it at a camp. The fact the jets held onto them tells me they. See some. Thing in have after guy like that who has an off field issue in the first couple of months on your on your roster. If you don't see some high-end potential, and I was just looking at it quickly because ever get a really horrible. I four game stretch. And then it was four games in the final twelve fifty plus yards. One of them was like eighty and they had four touchdown the only five hundred yards receiving last year. But he did the bulk of that over twelve game stretch. So if you don't get one of the top guys Chris Herndon one of my biggest targets, I'll tell you right now. I did one draft already for a league that drafted way too early. And I tried to sit on her and in the fourteenth round and someone I think overreached. Former went from the twelfth round believe it was I didn't end up getting him. But if you can get him, and that kind of arranging a draft in a twelve team league, Chris aren't player that I'm I'm really high on for a position that you guys set a crap shoot. So would that surround onto me? Okay. I get it. Tell me a lot of money on DFS last year. So I'm pretty partial to avoid too. But yeah, I round one to you. Jeff, how're you? How are we scoring this? How do you? Compare turn our going. Decide so clever choice. It's more clever choice faced with acts. All right. So I guess I'll go with what my number six. So I kind of fast forward ahead and gave everybody my number one with our Boyd. So spoiler alert. Number six. All right. What's didn't rank these? So. Geez. All right. So I'm gonna go with my number six and Damaris Thomas fourteenth round receiver. I I don't I don't love. I don't love the prospect of Mary's Thomas this year. Follow up, dude. But pages that Nabi no gronkowski. The payers have throw somebody Elman injured mid thirties. They have door set. They drafted. They drafted Harry the draft. I don't I don't really know. What's going to happen with New England? I think there's a chance that emerges Thomas valuable. We're talking fourteenth round. We're talking you already have your entire starting lineup. Picked. I it sounds like we says every single year. It's it's so unoriginal sounding, but it's valuable to have the patriots number two option and Demers Thomas into the season as the number two option. So I think this year I want a lot of shares of a lot of New England Patriots offense players, especially we can get them cheap. You're getting late. So I want a couple of pieces, and there's always value in Tom Brady's under center. What was ADP? Fourteenth around fourteen. Yeah, I think they fourteen that's ridiculous. That's ridiculously low. And I mean, obviously at that point. You're just it's crap shoot. I still don't like the pick. I still don't let the selection. D'humieres Thomas is done this year said each year, I go more and more all in on my thirty year old campaign. Right. What happened last year, Tom? It's thirty years old gets hurt doesn't play. Well, he's now thirty one Tom Brady's throwing to the mayor's Thomas who's going to be stuck to Cornerbacks like glue not happening. Kill Harry's going to be better than him day one. And I always hate the argument will also going to throw to they gotta find someone else throat to might be the w two. Well, who cares if he's not good? He's not going to get the ball. You know, Phil door said Chris HOGAN had plenty of opportunities with certain people injured in out of the games and still never got the ball. What happened James white cop more balls? That's what happens what's going to happen. Next year. Probably more James white. I do James white as well. I like gyms a lot. But I I think the mayor's Thomas I'm going into take him with the fourteenth round pick. I go into. Knowing a chance that he might not work out, and I'll drop him. But I also think that there could be value there. Good quarterback. Demaria's Thomas had him the football. I mean, and he's over the age of thirty. But I think we can catch lightning in a bottle relative to the fourth round fourteenth round. I mean, we're not expecting fifteen hundred receiving yards from Thomas can he get eight hundred receiving yards. You know, maybe sixty catches and six or seven touchdowns. The issue the difference between microcurrent in in your Thomas is that there is Thomas is a wide receiver. Right. So there's going to be several other options that are have way higher upside. I mean Marquez Velez scantly going in the fourteenth round. That's a better option. Mark. We talk about every year, though, when we talk about our strategy. You wanna have a mix of high upside guys, and then guys that you can plug it in there like if the mirrors Thomas is going to be on the field in three wide receiver says, and this is may we're talking about. So when we get around to August, we're doing his drafts and demerge Thomas doesn't make the team. I don't know. Like if he's going to be on the field if he's going to be one of three wide receivers in the field for the patriots. He's going to have value. I mean, we're talking about Scanlon. I mean talk about. Yeah. He definitely has more upside. But there's also a lot more downside with Scanlan as well. All right. Well, I think we've each made our case. So all right person. Set. You're not gonna like this Yuri comments. He kind of cherry picked them a little bit. I wanted to go with bolt of the running backs from this team because partially because of their draft class Cami. And this is where this is coming from. However, both of these players. Draft stock has gone up considerably. So one of them. I can't even use their running backs of the Atlanta Falcons. I know it doesn't sound pretty everyone. Got burned by devante Freeman last year, the Freemen's actually moved up into the end of the third round. So that kind of sounds kinda gross right now PR leagues three point ten, but ITO Smith is nine point zero eight the way that they've used to running backs in running back share over the years. Means ITO Smith will get plenty of runningback share carries and Tevin Coleman used to go in the fifth round. I don't know maybe a little higher repreive around the fifth round when he was the Rb to Atlantic. That's productive. They were they went out and drafted to stud offense of Lyman in the first round even traded back into the first round on the Rams pick for tackle going to interior guard tackle both of these guys are Mahler's. I think we get a better understanding of how much attention the Atlantis paying attention to their offense of line in the fact that they need to do a better job running the ball. So in the ninth round with a guy who is behind another running back who's been injured. A lot recently. Devante freeman. I think ITO Smith is a great flyer. Running back. I actually agree with you. I mean when we talked about him the other day I hadn't even seen where he was going. And I was like I also called him Lido. So that shows you where with Ito's Smith. I don't think I have a lot of credibility on you know, Smith been calling him Lido for the past year. But yeah, I I don't mind that value ever and the ninth round. I I think it solid. I hate devante freemans. N P. But you know, he was he's in the third round. He's not part of this this discussion. So I don't know. I don't mind it. I'm I'm certainly not gonna attack you you brutally attacked me for for mentioning Damaris Thomas in my list. I think I think that you know Smith. Whenever you can find a running back that could be valuable after the six or seven th round. I think you know, I think you could do do much worse. So I think he has value had games last year where he was he was decent and no Tevin Coleman help. So I don't mind that at all. No. And he's going to be guaranteed. A percentage share of the carries? I'd have to go and look at the ADP and see how many other running backs are pretty much guaranteed touches would have to imagine. He's one of the few. So I'm going to shuffle my list round little bit because it's kind of on topic with Smith Tevin Coleman going to San Francisco. I actually liked jerick. Mckinnon re. Last year. I was really off jerick McKinnon I thought he was going to high what a second third round player this year. Jerick McKinnon is going in the eighth round eight point four two rounds later than to have in Coleman. And I think in this will work itself out between now and and and late August, it looks like a lot of people think Kevin Coleman is going to be the starter member. Been a big seven Coleman fan. I think he's okay. When devante Freeman went down with the injury last year like ten comb was underwhelming. And really pointing at a couple of my teams jerk. Mckinnon clearly the more talented running back in what should be a it's a lot of people's kind of trendy pick to be a breakout team with Jimmy Garoppolo back. So I think jerk MacKinnon I don't know if he's going to be the starter. I don't know how they're going to divvy up those touches, but I like him better. If you're telling me, regardless of round who'd rather have jerk. Mckinnon Tevin Coleman I would say, absolutely jerk. Mckinnon just because the. Side, and you can get him two rounds later, so eight point oh, four definitely like jerk licking here and realize Tevin Coleman was going so high. I mean, that's that's a Trojan. I'm not I'm kind of indifference on jerk. Mckinnon you mentioned a little bit earlier about, you know, your bench bench strategies, Durkan Ken is going to be one of those types of running backs that depending on how your Rosser construction started to lay out into type of running backs that you're grabbing if you're going to be having running backs at you know, maybe are the Aaron Jones and Derrick Henry really going three point zero seven my looking at this correctly disgusting. Damian Williams in the second you're going maybe more higher upside kind of guys you probably want to go and package them up those running backs with someone like jerk McKinnon who assuming that healthy will at least touch the ball might be the lead back if you're going to if you're going to have more of the boring types of running backs, and maybe you've you fade jerk McKinnon at that stage and go elsewhere. So I think he might be the type person that depending on the type of team that you're that you're drafting and Rosser construction-wise he could be could not be make sense. Yeah. I'm warming round. At that point. You're probably is probably not one of your top two running backs. If he's if you had on the season with Jerry McKinnon being your third best running back, and and again like if you draft him in August, and he looks like a chance to at least be a fifty fifty split or be the starter. I think that's pretty solid. I mean, he had he had his share of of really good games and showed flashes and Minnesota. This should be an exciting offense. So I like him I like him in the eighth round. I mean, th round get running backs your I think you're mostly looking at backups, and he has a chance to be good more look at these ADP's were discussing them and going into into the weeds here. And there are some weird stuff. That's going to be happening. I mean, there's no way Derrick Henry says that high why is this Mary at seven point zero eight Jesus. But to to my point, I don't think it's bad jerk. Mckinnon I don't know if it's a slam dunk, depend on type runningback. So you have sharp pennies going three picks a head of an eight point zero one. So those are like opposite types of running backs. I think right. We're sharp way lower floor way, higher ceiling jerk. Mckinnon's good obviously opposite right in the middle. Probably get touches that great. You can maybe count on them swimming that he's healthy. So I think the Peniel type running backs to get you might be choosing between those two. Okay. And I think we're at your. Now, your fifth just lost now lost track. So the jerks Jeff Jeff screw up gems grew up with the whole like, right? Let's do this alphabetical order now. Sorry that no one on here knows how to freaking count. Okay. Doubting sarge. Curb also wanna throw at us. Did this one is going to be a tough curve ball to handle my number four as looking at him emission Smith number four. Smith leader Smith Helseth calling. Everyone knows Lido. I'm going back to the well in terms of a dual tandem running back specifically one no pay him barber eleven point zero five. I am all over the Bruce Aaron train they drafted. No other running backs is going to be either him or Ronald Jones, if you really want to get both and dump one of them in Mexico. First couple of weeks, you can do going in the in the twelfth round on the probably leaning obviously much more towards the paint Barbara side because he seemed like more adequate running back kind of. I mean, he can catch a little bit better. Only had twenty catches after twenty nine targets had going into his fourth year. Play just about all the games only had one fumble all of last year on six hundred thirty four carries. Not great. But it's Bruce air. Offense, dude. It's the Jeff Fisher packed. Yeah. I don't mind it. I mean. Let me I had two hundred thirty four carries last year. They draft no running back sign no free agents. And he's going in the eleventh round. That's all I know. I only. Pay. I should have been a barber. Good one. So you know that again. I like him. I definitely one of those players take a stab at you know, what's the difference between paint barber and Drake. Mckinnon. A lot of upside. I mean Lemoine upside, but you get paid you get paid manning. You get paid Barbara three rounds later. He is probably gonna be the starter. I I don't I don't hate it. I mean, that's why I would love to the combat both of them. I mean, they complement each other nicely. Yeah. Jerk McKinnon and Peyton Barbara on your bench as your backups. If jerk McKinnon is really volatile and inconsistent. You can put pain Barbara's probably got a higher floor. So yeah, I I like pain Barbara like the idea of grabbing those are the two types of running backs that we'd want for your Ben strategy. So I like it. All right. So so so so where am I now? So I I gave my number one Boyd. This is your fourth. This is your selection, but also your fourth rate ranks guy because you went in a circle. So you one six five now you're at four third third ranked player now. And then go to this point, do whatever you want. This is with somebody good number number four. And this this ranking I have means anything like these players are all kind of whatever my fourth layer. I am I have funchess player that no Jeff hates to ADP ten point eleven air. Ibran came at a nowhere with thirteen touchdowns last season for the apples colts. Andrew luck. Ngelo? What what else? What else would you say? I think Eric bronze touchdowns come down. Six foot four Devin funchess great red zone target. He had Cam Newton who highly inaccurate for the past few seasons. I think DEM funchess step on the field. Immediately. Be the the second best receiving option for the colts. I mean, look at some of the receivers Angela was throwing to last season. You had Paskal you had. What's the? Guys name from the chargers Dontrelle Inman. Look at me picking up the slack as usual just like we left off last year. But I actually liked them funches and the tenth round. I think he has a lot of Allieu a lot of upside. So I I like the signing. Right. When it happened, we talked and you didn't like it. And I think the colts have a lot of cap space a one year deal. We saw just him him turning the Dontrelle image the world into household names in the playoffs. So I think I think found just as easily the second most talented receiver they have. And I think in that offense with Andrew luck. I think that the tenth rounds a great bargain for punches. Well, obviously set then watch the NFL draft because he would know Campbell. They obviously draft Paris Campbell. And so he's definitely not the second most wide receiver. That's for sure rookie wide receiver though. So I like for for a one year, maybe not in a dynasty league. I don't like the prospects of funds and dining but for a redraft league for one year. I mean. Parish campbell. You don't see rookie wide receivers. Make an impact at least in the first half of the season, very often. At all. No. I'm just going to say that you just said he was a second talented receiver. So correct. You on that point? But I always say don't like it. I mean, the tenth round kind of like marriage Thomas, how much can you really hate these picks because his tenth around. I guess apparently a lot for me because it's wide receiver. I don't think the upsides there. Maybe he can get those touchdowns. And then he's a complete hit or miss touchdown kind of person. That's not how I my players. But with the addition of Paris Campbell just being added to the mix, you know, Jack Doyle, maybe playing a full year. With Jack Doyle to let's stop. You have the six four guy down funches who run slower than my grandma. I mean, come on to a lot of things that a lot of things in life that keep you up at night and Jack Doyle's not one of them. So. You had a saw arguments you throw out Jack Doyle is it's like that's going to be an impediment to them funchess. So Jack Doyle had more targets per route run last year than Eric Ibran. So he plays more time jackdaws the tight end that I'm going after. And if he plays more time, they'll also take away from down funches who was basically a tight and playing outside wide receiver. So I think that obviously is going to be good for the team good for the red zone. Specifically. But let's be serious. He's gonna be inconsistent. His his ceiling is definitely got to be capped. He's not gonna have a thousand year thousand yard never everyone. Everyone else is gonna be playing checkers. I'm going to be playing some fun chess. We're losing the audience every time you speak with one of these stupid names. The point. I was gonna make quickly was that set you mentioned LeBron who had shown way more flashes or had then the funchess ever has in the past in my opinion turned it on last year. I think the argument for funches is Dwayne Allen catching eight touchdowns in twenty fourteen from Andrew luck, that's guy that shows. And so again, Jeff as you said it'll be super touchdown dependent. But if Dwayne Allen can catch eight touchdowns in the red zone from Andrew luck than than even funches can do it as, you know, even if he is slow than your grandmother, in my opinion. But I mean, he eight touchdowns still finished somewhere around the fifty eight ranked wide receiver was last year behind Christian Kirk and your grandmother's definitely slower than funchess gets on. Very dumps. I'm not saying it's not fairly close. I think he'd she's slower. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'll take that back. All right. Let's let's let's go to your what he number four three keys at three. He's won. He's a. This is a smooth top six tell you. Okay. I'm going to go to one of my favorite teams last year. Always nailed it's not be jumping off this bandwagon. Anytime soon going on this is finished rate behind Devin funchess last year. The only difference was that he was a rookie. And he is Anthony Miller. He also missed one two we missed one game had the re other games without a reception. He's a rookie. You gotta have those types of games. Right. Had had four total games that he didn't even catch a ball. He is going twelve point zero four I know that just drafted receiver, but they need that type of offense. You know, they can still add a lot more weapons. I think Anthony Miller has a role in that offense at these taken over the Taylor Gabriel role, whatever that is more. So. Is going to get more routes run going around second year wide receiver for someone who was look at how many passes he caught as a rookie thirty three balls seven touchdowns as a rookie, pretty solid. I don't get. As I don't. He's. Didn't funchess. It's like it's going to hope for the touchdown. Anthony Miller, you're you know, you should be able to get five seven targets easy per game. Yeah. He's he's five eleven hundred eighty five pounds. And I I'm off on the bears offense as a whole I think they're going to be a good team here because I love their defense. But I think the Mitch Trubisky. We saw him kind of trail off towards the end the season. I'm just not as high on it should Bisky as most people and you have on Robinson, you have to Rico, and if trae burn I just don't think that the anti I think number one he's going to be extremely inconsistent. And he's too. I don't like players that are that small unless they're used as going to be extremely high. And he's he's going to have to be volume guy. Unfortunately, I think he's going to be boomer bust. So I don't think he's anybody that you're gonna be able to play the season. He was started last year. I mean, if you're in a team that had three receivers in to flex and you playing an even just ten personally their mind twelve he was startle. If you're starting funches last year, which a lot of people were you're starting Miller, especially since he didn't play the first week must saying good either started Devin funchess last season. But I think this is a big jump this. He's going to Indy. So Anthony Miller had finished one spot behind Devin funchess last year and had four games without a catch. So if you just if you just plays those four games or has a catching those for games and has more consistent has more consistent campaign one game. He didn't play three didn't catch. He's gonna finish. The game. You you're kind of making my point for me. I talked housing inconsistent. And you say you had four games without a catch. He was Brooklyn. I understand that. But I I don't know. I'm a high Anthony Miller, I he didn't really show me too much last season. And I I'm off on the bears offense as you're not a big bears offense person I've been a a mischievous heat Mitch Trubisky skeptic for a while now and the only player on the bears offense that I really like is Tariq Owen and potentially Allen Robinson maybe for for his value having a bounce back season. But I'm off over all in the bears offense. And I certainly I certainly won't be having many shares of Theodore. Right. Are a lot of agreements from YouTube tonight. So agreeable. Where do you come down on Anthony Miller rive settle settle this? I want to hear this. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not in any Miller foot only because of only because like Seth I'm not on a high in the bears offense, and I'm not a Mitch Trubisky fan and by fan. I mean, I don't care one way or the other about a book from fantasy perspective. I think Anthony Miller is a good talent. And he gets a free agency when his rookie contract done and he gets in the right position. They can be really productive player in the league. And I think there is a good skill set. There. I don't know that they know how to affectively use them yet. So a monitor in the preseason, and we see some strides from that unit overall as July August unfold than out certainly in the situation Jeff mentioned three wide receiver to flex league. Or if you're playing I'm playing one leave right now the one I did the draft. I said that we have four a super flex with four flex and three wide receiver position. So like, yeah. If I'm in a league that deep and anti mil- is worth a dice roll. But I'm certainly not I'm not planning for him to be a top three or. Four guy on my fantasy team this year. And that's when I add this before we move forward. One of the things I do look at and do a lot is when a rookie wide receiver can catch north of twenty five thirty balls. They're involved on the field. I mean, usually those receivers start making big grounds the following year. You know, sometimes we're always waiting for these receivers who are supposed to be good. They kind of get hurt or they don't Josh docks. In a there's a whole slew of names Kwan try to get on the field here. You have a guy yet. Yeah. I know he's small he's not as talented as Terry kill. But so it's Hari kill Taibbi kill small as well. And so, you know, thirty three balls in a rookie campaigns onto bad. Which picking my on? Now, you're you're number three three. Okay. So I have two left. I'm gonna go with I'm a little big on back and forth in this player. But I think I'm going to be a little more bullish than most people on retard penny a point zero four complete in an absolute coin flip in terms of house will work out. But they draft him in the first round last season. Really didn't get an opportunity to deceive. You can play in the league. Chris Carson had a really good season the Seahawks. Chris karma, seventh in the NFL rushing attempts the Seahawks love to run the football Doug, Baldwin, a good chance that he's gonna be retiring will also they drafted decay Metcalf. So that offense is in flux have Russell's I think they're going to have to rely on the run. And either a if something happens Chris Carson injury or whatnot or be retard penny beats him out and ends up taking over a bigger bigger role in that backfield. I loving sharp penny at eight point zero four is somebody. That I'm going to be taking a chance on I see myself having a few shares of him. I don't really have much go on obviously because we didn't see much out of last season. But givens Seattle's willingness to run the football that's to really their identity, and they wasted a, you know wasted. It looks like a first round pick on him last season. I think they have to see what he can do. So I'm going to have a couple of shares a penny. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if his stock ends up moving up a little bit just because you know, some of the people I mentioned that our head of him. Like, why would you take a shot? Latavius Murray's chief exactly Murray that might be my least favorite player in the entire NFL any position even including kickers, including long snappers, including everybody with Murray's. My least favorite person getting person person not even player person. Good know someone during Howard's going six frowned Crema hunt technically on here the seventh round. So I think just through the nature Tevin Coleman six. So I think just looking at this. He's gonna move up a little bit. And he's in for the point that you made, you know, it's, you know, Chris Carson, first of all hasn't stayed fully healthy one hundred percent of the time the draft capital tach to him. The big risk bitcoin flip. So I kind of just mentioned earlier jerk. Mackinnon I think when you get to the point of the draft and you're looking at your third fourth running back the Renard penny jerk McKinnon's of the world. I do think it's going to be important and smart for you to understand what kind of running back. So you have you don't wanna get for retard pennies and completely with all four of them or have them. So I think that depending on the type of Rauscher construction you have going into seventh eighth round might determine if he's a good fit for your team. But he's most certainly worth of flyer. I love the idea of taking Chris Chris Carson's ADP is four point. Oh, six end of middle of the fourth round. I love the idea of getting Khris Carson in the fourth round. I mean, we're talking about that's pretty solid value for a workhorse in Chris cars coming up really good season. And then you can just you can parlay that with with restart penny in the eighth round. Yeah. We. We have a last year. We did. Right Kombo Kombo running Bascom wide receivers just to secure your spot teams that have good offense is going to score. A lot of touchdowns. If your entire draft capitals. Only fourth in seventh or eighth to capture the entire backfield. Seattle I see that as being worth it. All right. So what's your? So you're on what? Number two now. Number one one two. All right. And this guy's going five point zero five this. This person reminds me a lot of the the Cooper Cup. Robert woods juju of last year that we were. Why receivers between rounds four and six that were so high on south did well at picking those out. Here's my guy that similar in that territory fits that mold Chris Godwin. I'm going back to the Bruce Arians train. They don't have the Sean Jackson again he had thirty four catches as a rookie. I notice it seem like a lot only. One touchdown comes back. Soft more campaign. Fifty nine catches on ninety five targets seven touchdowns. And I expected to eclipse one hundred targets this year with which should be a better run office, which should be less. They drafted no wide receivers other than this guy from bowling green. In the six round in Scotland guy named got Miller sounds like a long, snapper. I mean, so he's going be the wide receiver to Mike who's gonna be drawing the attention Bruce Arians offense by no. No, Adam Humphreys, either. No, Adam Humphreys, I mean, this guy should be going in the fourth round. This is a full round off. And my prediction is he might move all the way into the fourth row, which is exactly what happened to do last year and people want to be like, well, he used to be a fifth round. But now he's a fourth. That's still not gonna Shami away. He's going four point zero five. But right now is five point zero five. I like it. I like Chris. I love him coming out of Penn State. And I he is first year in the NFL you had Mike Evans there. You had the Sean Jackson there. So it was kind of a tough situation to really break in for all the reasons you mentioned, even even even though I really do not like Jameis Winston and put him in the Mitch Trubisky category. I'm just not a believer. I think we've seen enough from him to kind of know what he is even with Bruce Arians. But yeah, I I like Krista when I do think though fifth round. I don't think that's a great value. I think it's very happy taking him there. But I and and you look at a lot of the receivers that are going after him. He's clearly the last really good receiver. I think aside from tower. Boy, I mean, I could argue I'd rather have tower Boyd still then Chris Godwin was wide loved Howard Boyd. And you thought it was chalky. So you didn't put him on your list? Want wanna have both ways? But I like crisco don't know what else really gonna argue with that at all. That's probably my favorite one so far on your list. It helps to that. We both have been high on him coming on college. We both liked him. And things were kind of just coming together. Right. Like change it head coach Bruce Arians. I I mean who James Winston or not. I think he's at least good enough to sling the ball and get points receivers. So. All right. My number two player. This is this is really tough. I kind of want to be a time between two between two people. I'm not gonna do that. So I'm gonna have to set thing to do though. Number twos. Time or not number one. I'm doing over there. Mike Williams is my number two, Mike Williams charters wide receiver. Ten touchdowns last season at a couple really big games the problem with Mike Williams, and he was he looked like a beast coming out of Clemson a lot of people really he went number one in our dynasty rookie draft. And really didn't seem to catch on Val injuries. The first year only played three or four games pretty solid season last year. The biggest issue with Mike Williams has been always will be consistent usage because you have Kiev alum there who wouldn't healthy is an absolute stud, and you have Melvin Gordon you have awesome catching passes. You have. I mean hunter Henry is going to be healthy this year. So it's a crowded crowded situation at the skill positions for the charters. But that being said, Mike Williams if anything number one, but any happens to keen Allen, we talk about why receiver handcuffs he is. He's might be my my number one or two favorite wide receiver handcuffed this year. And you can also play him. He's at least a flex player with upside. Who's gonna get you touchdowns in a really really good. Offense never seems to get enough credit. Philip rivers could easily be on either one of our lists. He's going behind James Winston right now, which makes no sense. So I love the chargers offense. I love Mike Williams entering this will be his fourth season in the NFL or third season. This is third season. So his actually his full. As third third season. So so you talk about the jump that Chris Godwin made from year one to your two, and it's a little different than Mike Williams. Mike Williams, really wasn't healthy at all the first season. But last season we're talking about forty three catches six six hundred sixty four receiving yards ten touchdowns. So obviously a little touchdown dependent. Clearly, but I love the town. Mike Williams love the offense and. I'm going to be a buyer this year, I'm going to be a believer. He's gonna I'm gonna have a few shares of him somebody going towards the end of the fifth around. I think that's pretty solid value for my Williams. Because again, I think he's somebody that that you can start you can plug in and get points from. I think he's got a solid floor. And he's got a lot more upside than you're going to see from why receivers picked arounds after him. Yeah. Michael a tough one for me. Because of some of the things that you mentioned with the other kind of target sheer percentage Ken Allen demands. Like twenty eight percent target share year in year out outside of freak injuries announced played I think every game for the last two seasons. And then of course, you've got Melvin Gordon. Mike Williams only had sixty six targets targets catch his targets last year. You know, Chris God had fifty nine catches. So I like him. I think the prices like the prices right like at I wouldn't pay any more for him. I think because of his upside you would want painting lower. I do think that he's kind of what he was last year. He should be better with targets receptions with think ten touchdowns, you know, put him on the books for that maybe increases receptions, a little bit is yards. Little bit outside of an injury, though. I think that's his path to maybe stardom out if everyone else stays healthy around him. I think he'll be a little a little limited Tiro Tyra Williams's here too, which will help a little bit not a lot. But yeah. But Philip rivers. It's like, Andrew lark. Drew Brees Tom Brady. Just just Chuck it to everyone throat, the brand all over for cry cry. Loud. I mean, so so I don't hate it. I don't love it. I'm just very indifferent. Because of where you have to take him and what his last couple seasons have been and what the rest of the team looks like. But you never know. I guess yeah. I mean, I'm kind of going with my heart little more than my head with Mike Williams excited like him. I do think by point nine is is not like incredibly great value. I think it's Saulat value given his upside, but it's certainly nowhere near Tyler Boyd six point four who I like a lot more. Okay. So which tile is your number one and mind number one is I think the clear cut steal of the draft rate now at ten point zero three and that is the the vacant spot left left behind by Tonio Brown in Mr James Washington didn't have to create a year course, he was behind several people only manage thirty eight targets, but he played in just about every game. Starting in the second game. So that was good. He got on the field. I mean, I don't know what else serious say the fact that he is wide receiver to the Pittsburgh offense without Antonio Brown. You know, good teams Connor was able to replace Levy Mbeli is still not the pass catcher that he is. So. And they still don't have any tight titans to speak of. So there's gonna be chucking. I love I love. Absolutely love. I'm I'm very high on Pittsburgh offense. A lot of people are going to be a little bit off Pittsburgh's offense because the drama because no Antonio Brown. I think they're gonna win the division. I think they're they're offenses. One of my favorite off under the radar offenses this year, if it's possible, you know, we think Pittsburgh is under the radar doesn't really go together. But I love James, James, Washington. I love the idea to of now you're gonna have to invest a high pick on Schuster who you're paying premium given the the loss of Antonio Brown two point four for Schuster. But if you get Schuster, how can you not love the prospect of taking James Washington, even if you take him around or two earlier, if I drafted Schuster, I might reach a little bit on James Washington because if James Washington has a bad year like one of them is going to have a good year for Pittsburgh with Big, Ben. So I love James Washington. I also think that that's that ADP is seems a little bit off to. I think we're going to see a lot of movement clearly and over the next few months, I think that James Washington is going to be probably an eight round. Why? Gonna make the now that he's going to go as high as the six round. I mean when you start getting cast fit six round, it starts becoming a crap shoot why not take the wide receiver to from Pittsburgh. I mean, I'm going to be very curious track this, but as soon as you know, as soon as basically people start understanding that he's wide receiver to Pittsburgh. I can't imagine. This. The Johnson drafted Toledo who looks like a pretty nifty ri- receiver but draft third round. Young guide. It's Washington was there last year bigger guy to over two hundred pounds should be good red zone player. You know at the most people start seeing the preseason. And hearing the news that he's looking good. He's going to start skyrocketing. And so this is a great time to drag them in best ball for sure. Yeah. Would say just on DOT Johnson. And I figure I saw it. So I'm going to completely not credit this anybody. But there was was either. Tweeter quick, article out ahead. His combine kids coming out of college really measured up to in Tonio Brown. So I I'm not low in the Pittsburgh offense either. And I like the idea Deontay Johnson a little bit later in the droughts as a flyers guy who could rise the number two potentially, especially if like you say James Washington's draft stock starts rising too much as we get closer to drafts. And this is the type of offense that seven I talk about where it's like grabs many of them as you can if the price is right than you know, Johnson Johnson. I can't go to high goo grab him thirteenth round. After you've already got the other two. I mean, just just to make sure you know. I would be opposed to that. I know there was one league last year. I had both in twenty Brown NGO ju on the same team spent a one and four capital and was disappointed because that's the type of offense. The Pittsburgh is and they're they're they're saying people just like Casey scores weekend and week out. It's not like New England, or, you know, Philadelphia where it's you never know where it's coming from Pittsburgh. It's always the same people. So Ryan who's now that you've heard both of our lists. Who who who on this who has a better list? Oh boy. What's the parameters of this opinion? What do you mean, this is who was he likes? I think you went a little more chock. I think is a lot more creative upside. How outside of pre will let Ryan the analysis. I guess we won't try your. We're going Chris Hernan, dude. I mean thrown still like that big access should probably move them up. And this is also like picking Jeff 'cause you crapped on Chris Herndon so jefflin's Chris heard it was a beautiful. I've already start off the twenty nine hundred season one zero over south. I attorney a blood bath. I'm going have to take weeks off just let set game his pride back those. I mean that was completely. I I think Ryan is Harley objective now that I didn't realize his love triangle between you Ryan. And apparently, so well, it was all started thinking we're on the fence. I I will say though, the more the more we talk about this and the more now that you're listening going remind I think my favorite player entire draft right now. And it is what may eighth may seven somewhere on their, you know, the date may seventh. I think he's I think he's my absolute favorite player. Which player? What? Which player I missed it. Oh, my number tower. Boy, my number one player, I've always six point four my favorite player in the entire draft to Cincinnati player, please. I mean, can I get two honorable mentions? Get your feedback on this couldn't I couldn't add them because they're going in the fourth round, we did fifth round or later. Robert woods four point zero eight can be serious. That's going to be taken from a take from a baby. Again. This is why we have Ryan hosting the show now. Formerly too many words in wrong here. I was gonna say like there's I don't know who there is. But they're so lucky that Robert woods is four point zero eight because he would be like he would be my number one person on list. He just barely missed the cut for us. You know, you know, my love robber woods. So and then and then I got another one to going at four point eleven actually dropping after the NFL draft because they drafted another running back, which I don't is this pretty much whatsoever is running back. Let's see where to go last year in the rankings. He was the number eleven running back last year. So an Rb one is going in the fourth round to re Cohen four point eleven. David Montgomery is going to be more the two down back, which is what they already had which would Jordan Howard. He probably will still get touchdown record his way to talented of person a freak. He's going to be on the field. All the time. I feel like looking looking at these ADP's I feel like there's more this so many players that I think more so than recent years either I feel strongly one way or the other like I look at something like Mark Ingram four point zero six, and I absolutely hate it. And then right behind him. Chris Carson, I love it four point zero six I love the Kennedy golladay robber woods Cooper Cup stampede there. You know, boom, boom. Boom right in a row, and I look at like Calvin really don't like that Kenyan Drake. I hated five point zero six so it's just like completely one way or you know, where in recent years, especially last year felt like I felt there wasn't as much like polarization, if that's the right word, there isn't as much like I feel really strongly one way or the other. It means. Bill rounds? We look at four or five and six there's no in betweens. What are your thoughts on three coming them? I like it. I like him a lot. I mean, the only had nine nine Russia's last year. He's my he's the only player on Chicago that I'm I'm really a believer. And I I kinda like Alan Robinson like him as a talent. I think I'll Robinson's going to have a better year. But overall, I mean, hi, Mitch Trubisky. Not high on Anthony Miller, I think Mike Davis now is the backup running back for Chicago mean staying away from him. But no, I like to recon he's upside like, you said borderline fifth round running back. You really can't go wrong. And I think that that offense. They're going to have to he's one of those players that I think that you watch the Kaga play and you're like the anymore. Tree Cohen, they need more than any more cowbell many more to recon. Yeah. I would say just mentioned him that might Davis was the guy that should have fallen after the draft. And I'm sure he did too. But you know to recall, and I don't think is influenced by the David Montgomery draft. At all. It's my Davis that hurts and for me who are has already done one draft and took my Davis is my Rb three makes me want to jump off a tall building. But, but yeah, I don't think that I think three recall going there's going to be great value this year. Absolutely. I mean, it's it's so easy right now too. I can't believe going that low. It's crazy. I would love to have multi give the league where you can trade draft picks. I mean, this is the fourth rounds amazing outside of Mark Ingram. And I'm not really crazy about the film's e Ataman that those three like, Chris Chris Carson, brand cokes. Kerryon Johnson Kennedy Robert woods Cooper Cup. Absolutely. Love it. Agreed. All right. I think that's going to wrap up our show send us off. Ryan. Guy. So I did not ask about how to do this. So we're just going to wing it. But this is the NFL talking podcast with Jeff carrier, south loyal. And I'm the host Ryan Whitfield's catching next time. Thanks for listening to this episode of the NFL talking heads fantasy football podcast show three times with your hosts Jeff carrier and Seth long weld catch next time.

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"It's the tree line special eagles in Texans pickup new if imperfect weapons Dante Fowler bills. A big need for the Rams and why the Packers and Mayans who've valuable veteran lots of love for the Panthers. The end of Jameson Tampa and previewing Brady versus Rogers and end saints. Rams. It's all on a very big show of the NFL, deep dive podcast. Hello and welcome to the m Huby NFL, deep dive high gas. I m Gary gramling he is. And even OI d-. Let's go ahead and call this the trade deadline special every show is special in its own way. But we'll call this one a special officially we're gonna talk the the the five big trade deadline deals that happened this week. And then we'll we'll talk about some of these headlining games. But I don't know. I think it was the expected amount of movement though, we did have some surprising, individual trades. Andy. It's it's fun that we're kind of rivaling the the open floor podcast guys. Now that we get to talk about player movement like this in heavy anticipated signing days in trading deadlines, the NFL's become much more of an acquisition league lately. And I don't know we've looked at it. I who was the Andrew branch right about it on our site. I don't know exactly why. This has happened all of us on the teams are more comfortable trading now than they used to. B but I do think it's more fun yet. Brent did write a column. I think a big reasons they just they pushed it back. There are know they've never used to be buyers and sellers this time of year. I think they push it back. And I think we also as I mentioned at the end of the last show, I think there's more of an appetite for tearing down teams and doing the long term rebuild among the fan bases. And I think that's a bit of a shame. But that's that's the way it goes now. So teams are doing it. Well, and we're going to get into some of these traits. I also think not every time that a team trades. They're tearing down the yeah. Tate, ha ha Clinton Dix. And we'll talk about that. In fact, I'll let you just take over and roll us through these. But I agree with you to a certain extent. I know you're not seeing every team does it. But I don't think it's as much of a tear down sometimes as it might appear. That's a that's actually a really good point. And that's why a couple of these deals were so surprising. We talk about the Amari Cooper A last week. If you want to hear our take on that you can go back in your feed and find that. But we're talking about me five trades happened since the end of week eight and we're going to start with golden Tate. I thought this was the most surprising one because everyone these other deals there was some smoke. We were hearing some whispers about the guys involved, the golden Tate one, you know, we were we were gearing up for him probably leaving Detroit after the season as a free agent. But the lions the lions are in this thing. And I know a lot of people will go lines and say, well, they can't beat the top teams. And they they beat the patriots and the beat the Packers. So I, you know, granted it's at home. And and if they snuck into the playoffs in the play in the road, that's the thing. But this team is is certainly not in a position where they're saying. Well, twenty is going to be a long shot. Let's let's look forward. And absolutely. They're not in that kind of position in. What's also interesting. They really don't have another slot receiver on the roster. I think they're receiving cores deep. Enough. I love Kenny golladay Marvin Jones to me as their number two now. And he's a great number two TJ Jones is not played a lot. But that's going to change. I think they're fine there. But golden Tate was such a pure slot weapon. Maybe they handled that they view feel Riddick as that kind of guy now form, I don't know who will fill the void with Tate. And I agree with you that they're very much in contention. He's still an excellent player. So that was a little bit surprising. But they got a good return for didn't. They would they get a third and a fifth round pick for them. They did they I think they just got a three in that one. Okay. But so you get. So you get three so a three for a guy that you don't anticipate re-signing. That's that's basically a third round pick for eight games of not having him. Yeah. And I'll get ten in the second. I just want to back it up real quick. I really don't have any information or take on Brandon Powell. But Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press who is the fine beat writer out. There says Brandon Powell is the guy who is being considered internally as the heir-apparent golden Tate, and they had sort of building that up. He's a he's a smallest guy at a Florida. You know, he's he same. He's a five eight receiver. He'll play the slot. So that that might be if they like him internally that might have motivated this as well. Yeah. As far as the compensation goes. And obviously a big part of this discussion to be the comp picks. And what are the lions gonna get now? This would be a pig. They'd beginning in the twenty twenty draft. If they kept golden. Eight and he left this off season. I think a question is the what is golden Tate going to be worth on the open market as thirty year old receiver, but also taking into consideration? And and our Kaelin keilor actually wrote about this in in this week college column, it's another bad class of receivers coming out of a coming out of college this year coming into the draft. So there aren't a lot of options out there. If you want immediate upgrade at receiver golden Tate, even though he's thirty even though he's a bit specialized with what he does. You know, it's kind of like Jarvis Landry last year. You can't really find an upgrade any other way. No unless remember few years ago because we I'm guilty of this too. We talk about golden Tate as a slot only wide receiver, but a few years ago he was in everything receiver. Remember in was I think it's twenty fourteen his first year with Detroit, I think Calvin Johnson was hurt for part of the or Calvin Johnson just left. Maybe whatever it was. I remember tape. They moved them all over the formation yet. Thirteen hundred yards receiving that year. He doesn't have to play only the slot. And I think that's a pertinent conversation. A for his free agency mix off season, which we're touching on. But be and actually more immediately for what he'll do in Philadelphia because Nelson Adler has to play the slot. He is only guy and Philly doesn't have other guys at whiteout. So I think they've you Tate as more of an everything wide receiver who happens to be very good. When he is in the slot. Would you be open to the scenario? And I honestly I. Don't have a strong opinion on this one way or another would you be open to the scenario of putting aga- lower back outside which is what he was kind of drafted as what he obviously struggled as early on in his career moving him outside and then using Tate as your primary slot guy. Or I mean, realistically, they could also do a little mix and match with those with those roles to. Yeah. And I'm sure they will mix and match everybody mixes and matches you have to. If you want to be a diverse offense. I think it's so clear that Aguilar's so much better inside the gap between yours and inside and outside receiver is so much bigger than the gap between Tate is an inside and outside receiver. So I would not mess around with a whole lot. But I would not be shocked if they do I mean, maybe maybe they do view it as an opportunity and really all we're talking about is you have to get the guy clean access off the snap Agnew. Lord. This is so you can put them in motion and jet motion. He's kind of their move. Player and you can continue to do that. And that's a way to use him. And you can have Tate in the slot nagged or still doing some of that stuff. So it just depends. It depends. But the other thing Gary Dallas got her coming along. And maybe they want to be too tight end offense. Whatever it is. They've got options now, and they did not have options before I think there will be a domino effect with having Tate there. Yeah. And look overall this is the second year. The eagles have made a trade deadline deal last year as JJ they they are. They are down guys this year. I mean, they kind of needed more weapons, and golden Tate might not be perfect. You you might look that team and say we need we need a downfield threat to complement what they have. But you know. Mike Wallace's hurt. My Collins is out Janis out, Trey Burton Torrey Smith Brett Seelig Garrett blunt. Those are all guys they had last year who they no longer have this make sense. Just you add another weapon, even if it's not the perfect fit. What they what they do. And they certainly are creative enough on the offensive side of the ball that they can potentially get some things going here. I'm with you. Let's go. Let's go to Mary Thomas to to Houston here. And there was a rumor that the Texans had asked the patriots about Philip door set. And for some reason just the OCD and be kind of saw that and said, well that's just perfect because now you you know, you lost will fuller. And now you get the poor man's will fuller to to step in for him to marry psalms. His obviously not stylistically the same thing as will fuller here. But again, this is a team that just they were short on weapons after fuller went down. They were already thin even with fuller. So now, adding Demaria's Thomas to this offense, you have something else. Besides the Andre Hopkins. Yeah. You do. I'm a big believer in how you're receivers fit together though. And especially a young QB, and you want to do on a scheme it for Watson. You don't wanna ask them to read everything all the time you want to kind of define his reads, and let him be more of a natural athlete at this point in his career. And he's a great quarterback when you do that. And I think then he becomes. A smarter quarterback that way to you build on that Damaris Thomas is not threatening. Anybody downfield not as vertical weapon like will fuller was so now you basically have to intermediate receivers Hopkins and Thomas and one of them's an amazing contested catch artists and the other one has shaky hands. I don't think you know, this is a downgraded Texans offense overall. I understand why they made the move though. And it would have been a worse downgraded offense. If they'd done nothing because they are very thin at wide receiver to me. This is nothing more than a team sane. We've got a window open this year Super Bowl contender. We believe. Let's go. Make sure our greatest weakness is no longer, our greatest weakness. Let's fill that. Void. Let me just put this out there. They've had issues in the red zone. I think sort of connected to that the way to Shawn Watson was was sort of. So aggressive running the ball in the red zone. I think that's what was leading to a lot of the well in Dallas game at directly led to. You know, the the bruise along and the whatever he had with the ribs or or whatever the specific injury ended up being. And I think it's some they want to get away from because I mean, look naturally, you know, you can commit John Watson to protect himself better between the twenties when the guys running near the goal line and can sniff a touchdown that sort of changes the equation. I think that's where he was getting in some trouble as far as sort of just, you know, essentially protecting himself which they need to do a little bit better here. Anne, Mary his Thomas you now have two big guys in the red zone that they can use. I mean, it does it. Does it warm your heart at all the thought of this red zone offense? Maybe being a little bit improved with a with with Thomas now, maybe a little I guess, maybe. It'd be interesting to hear how Watson is coached in the red zone to use his legs to and how he was coached before that Cowboys game and how he's being coached after. 'cause I know like the Dallas Cowboys themselves with deck press. Scott. He's encouraged to use his legs more in the red zone because his theoretically greater yet. So, yeah, I that's a side note conversation, I guess Thomas helps a little bit in that sense. We've talked plastic about red zone if it's a finicky kind of stat and what you can do to improve as the red zone offense Thomas over will fuller. I guess you've upgraded some of your red zone concept's. Well, and looked at the they can't run the ball in the red zone. They just don't have the offense of line to get any sort of push down there. And I think that was the that was their main issue down there. I think that's one where you could look at it and say, okay, this isn't yoyo like you could look at the falcons last year and say okay played a play. They don't have a like an overall problem with their personnel. And what they're able to do in the red zone. They're just played a play not getting done. I think the Texans had an obvious flaw that they were having difficulty overcoming especially when it came to the tight red zone. But we'll see. And then Denver is a. Denver there. Rumors Chris Harris might be available. Some other guys might might be movable there. But this is the only deal they end up making, and it makes sense for them. They weren't they possibly could have renegotiated something with Damaris Thomas in the off season. But they were not bring him back at the what was that number? It was like seventeen million or something then it was. Yep. Yeah. He was he had some pricey stuff and his contract structure for them. So I understand it. I'd get John. Elway was Oakland open about it. He said we want to get Cortlandt Sutton on the field too. Yes. That's a that's a really good on court inland Sutton is a I think Portland Sutton is making a bigger impact this year than they anticipated. I know a lot of people when we talked to him last last winter leading up to the draft even the teams that liked him kind of admitted while he you know, he might be a two or three year project, and he has made an immediate impact there. So he is deserving of a bigger role in Denver. Let's go. Let's go Dante Fowler here. Not take to the Rams which this. This is a logical fit for the Rams. This was their biggest need they needed someone on the edge. The Jaguars seem potentially a little bit fed up with with what's going on in that locker room Fowler has not been the best guy in that locker room since arriving there. Let's talk about the Rams what are they getting in Dante Fowler. I mean, he's a guy who played about a third of the snaps in Jacksonville. But you have the you know, you have the pedigree as a number three overall pick a couple years. Back and he's a guy who has flashed over the first couple years of his career. Yeah. This is an easy one. Gary team needed speed off the edge. We've said all off season. That's the one thing. They don't have. And it could be an issue with some of the the way some of their Cornerbacks play. We saw against Green Bay, Marcus Peters. Did indeed get beat on some double moves in that game downfield, and we got beat a few weeks before that as well. And some double moves. So the concern we had about the Rams is if the pass rush can't collapse off the edge and forced the offense to play on the defensive schedule. It's not a very good defense on the back end. So the Rams are correcting that Fowler's just raw speed. I think he's better than what his surface shows in what is stats show. But he has not been nearly as good as everyone hoped. He doesn't always play up to his talents. So it's a roll the dice by team. That's obviously going all in and it has every reason to go all in gear. Do you? I mean, he'll stand up more in Wade Phillips defense does that. I don't know if he's anyway because I think he'll just come off the bench on on third down, which means that then it's a four down defense. So that whole three four four three at gets overblown. I mean, Cory Littleton stands up now on the edge there in Littleton. I believe ways in the twenties as a line. So it's that's not a big deal to me, even if he does. But I think he's a third down player. Only. Anyway, what'll be interesting is indomitable sue has been their defensive end this year because they're so thin there at that position. They kept Michael brokers on the field will they continue to do that and bring Fowler off the other edge because they've got needs on both sides. They don't have any defensive edge rusher 's or will they move sue back inside now that Fowler's here and I'm eager to see which maybe they do both. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, we talked we talked all last winter. And we'll bring it up all the time. When we talk about player Bobin each. Just you can't get edge rusher. They're just not available. You can draft one high. If you have one you can you can spend an exorbitant amount of money to keep him. But they just don't come come available on the open market and Jacksonville told you a little bit what they thought about Dante dollar when they didn't exercise fifth year option. Lasts less off season. But it seemed like he had sort of run out of time there in Jacksonville. And now he gets a fresh start out of his out of his home state goes off to goes off to LA now. This one was surprising. Our breer actually wrote about this last Sunday morning. And I was surprised see the name, but haha Clinton Dix goes to Washington. He is a guy who had played every snap in the Packers secondary this year. And I understand they they were probably not going to retain him. He he'll be a free agent after the season. So obviously, that's what fueled this. But. I don't know. I don't know how to feel about this. Andy, the the Packers, I guess are gonna roll with Josh Jones and remained Whitehead. They feel like the corners. Are what makes that secondary work or not work, and they seem to be happy with the young guy. So. I don't know this seems like an unnecessary risk, especially since he'd you'd get something of a compact, the they'll get a twenty four th rounder from Washington, but they would have gotten something in twenty twenty may maybe fourth round, maybe fifth round wants Clinton Dix left. Yeah. I was a little surprised by this too. But you know with Josh Jackson there now he's basically been that hybrid linebacker slot. And he's does a lot of things from and he's been hurt. He didn't play last week. But when he's in the lineup, and he's healthy. He's a very versatile safety form and Whitehead's versatile. Cantrell, Bryce is versatile. And so I would imagine those are the three guys that they've you as our movable interior players, and we don't need to be spending big. We're not gonna spend big money for Clinton Dix as are predominant center fielder next year. Anyway, so there's the trade he's a hard guy to figure out Clinton Dix because I thought he'd become the best safety in the league. By this point. I love the body. I loved the fluid athletic. Zim? He's not overly polished and coverage. And that's what makes them hard to reconcile. Honestly Garre is a little surprise Washington. Made this move to because I don't think haha Clinton Dix is a whole lot better. And he surly not very different style listed than Montaigne Nicholson their fourth round pick a year ago who's been playing safety next to DJ swear injure forum. I think he is. And I guess it depends on your definition of significant as far as the upgrade goes. I think he's I think he's he's an upgrade over Nicholson. And and I like the pairing with the stylistically with a with DJ swear under there who I who I love I love DJ sooner Giral just say that flat out. He does a lot of things that don't show up on paper. His film is a lot better than his paper. And his papers are not bad. Swear, Anders of really good safety. He's also he is a boy he is he's like the alpha of ALPHA's in that in that locker room to is. He impression when we were reporting that sue craven story this this off season. But. Yeah. I do I like the move or Washington. Now, do they do they resign Clinton Dix a lot of that will depend on how this how this works out over the second half of the season. But I I like it I still don't love washing as a team. I think they're basically what the bills were a year ago. I think they can make the playoffs, obviously. But I don't think they can beat anyone good or I should say they can't beat multiple good teams in January. So I don't know how you feel about what they have now. But this this makes them better. I think I like them remember him in Washington. They don't view themselves that way, they don't say. Well, we're five and two, but boy works you're lucky to be five and two. We can't beat teams that have quality players. They think shoot were five and two were five and two team. Let's we're in this thing. So I get it from their side the safety franchise tag value. This year was about eleven point three million. So figure it's going to be eleven point eight, I would guess. Like that next year that does feel like a lot for a one year deal with Clinton Dix, but we'll cry. You know, they they don't know that now either they'll probably they probably have it planned to make that decision for after the season. Yeah. All right and one more one more Packers zeal here tie Montgomery. Andy did did you hear the news on on the uniform number? Because obviously, we thought it. I I just I hate it. He he what I had heard was he had petitioned the league to you know, the Ridler Jim Carey's relearn. He wore that that suit with a question marks all over it. That's what time I'd Gumri is gonna is going to be eights all over his uniform, just yeah. I saw your meal Attard rolled me on Twitter with that. He's gonna do a little bowler hat too. Yeah. We're in he's wearing Eighty-eight in Baltimore too. I don't under-. I we've been over this abundant. I don't understand for the life of me why he's allowed to do that. I just I didn't know what to make it. When when you originally got a. Mildly upset by it's an irritant for you. I think is how I describe it. But I really liked the fact that people get so upset at the fact that you are mildly irritated about it. And then it just it's been like just a circle of of. I feel like it's good nature trolling just sorta going. I I have enjoyed the time Montgomery trolling from the. I guess what? Are they the Montgomery supporter? What do we call the people that are in favor of him getting to where blatantly the wrong jersey number? We need people. You know, I call him. Andy the crazy eights. Okay. All right. All right. I just came over that that was pretty good for the top of my head. I don't he's not a difference maker if we're talking football, right? He's not what's number rerunning back on both is let's let's start with is he better than bug Allen. Do you play where we're we're bug. Alan. No because they trust bucked Alan a lot with some of the subtleties in their passing game. I think both a route runner end as a blocker. I mean, I would assume they would use him in in maybe more of a less traditional running back role and more of a Chesapeake role than maybe he was using Green Bay. They also might not. I mean, look like you said, it might just be he'll be death, and he'll he'll maybe steal some snaps from buckle and a couple of weeks. Buck alligators hurt they have a they have a guy behind him. I don't know. I see exactly the sentence trails off when you start discussing the options with time on guy. Don't think it's a moves the meter thing. I thought I think the story here is this eighty eight. No, you would. Right. That's that's that's actually, I I did want to mention one more thing on Gumri. We did have a couple of people on our staff reach out to various people in the Packers building staffers players whatnot. And and the things you read about the the fumble. And what went down and all that it is as bad as what you've been reading everyone sort of confirmed that and so he was he was done in Green Bay. I can say with almost certainty. He would have been released if if he hadn't been treated, but. That's going to do it. That's gonna do for the trade deadline portion of the show. Let's talk. Let's talk the games. Now. Let's talk what's going to happen in week nine. And as promise on the Monday show. We are going to start this off with the Carolina Panthers who Andy is is downright giddy about. So we've got ram saints and patriots Packers. And we're starting Panthers as promise as promised. We're we're keeping a promise Andy we are starting with bucks at Panthers. We're gonna talk about the other two we're just going to start with bucks Panthers. Because we we shortchange the Panthers on the Monday show. It's just the way plano. We did I think I'm falling in love with the Panthers. Their offense is extremely well designed they do more with deception and misdirection and subtle the -ception they probably do more than any other team. I would say that includes the Rams and the chiefs north Turner's done a great job. They're leveraging and using Cam Newton strengths. Christian McCaffrey has a role figured out. It's a really well designed offense. And I think it's only going to get better as DJ mortgage better. He's become a movable piece for them to. Yeah. It's it's just really it's really interesting to me. You know, we talk about Andy Reid a lot especially in our offense excuse me in our office. And the way that he has sort of changed with the times, and and sort of kept up, and we talk about so much, you know, it's the trickle effect. And and you have these, you know, people like to pick that as he's dinosaurs. And the NFL, and they're they're so far behind the curve on all this stuff. But you see what Andy Reid is doing in Kansas City, Bill O'Brien to a lesser extent. The way he he completely changed on the fly with that Texans offense last year. No matter what you think what they're doing this year with it. This is this is another one Norv Turner. I mean, Norv Turner is. How many Panthers fans were were excited at the prospect of nor Turner returning to coordinate their offense after the wait ended in Minnesota, and then yell use it use the guy who was best known as being the? Yeah. The Cowboys early nineties dynasty guy. And he has he took a year off. He learned some new tricks, and he is he's deploying them very creatively with his Panthers offense. And there were signs in Minnesota. That Turner would be a good fit for Carolina. Giving example Turner son Scott Turner's quarterbacks coach there, and he had been the QB coach there being Carolina. He had been the QB coach there a few years ago as well. I think it was Cam Newton's rookie season, and they had installed a little bit of an RPO play for Newton. And which nobody talked about the time, but Arpels were around back then too and Turner Scott went to his dad with the RPO concepts that this works really, well and north Turner ran. That would teddy Bridgewater in Minnesota. They did PEOs, and I think it was successful enough. But Scott was very impressed with his dad for having the this is a son talking about his tattoo. You don't think of our fathers as men who change easily? But Scott was extremely impressed with nor for having that flexibility in learning continuing to challenge himself. And so he's been even better with all this new age schematic stuff to favor Newton. And then it goes back in the NFL. You still gotta have third down along conversions and Norv Turner's offense is conducive to how Newton would convert third and long. He's a downfield power thrower is not a precision accuracy underneath rower. And it's downfield power throwing offense. And we promise we'd sleep on the Jameis Winston situation and think about it. And and talk about it on this show. Have you come to a more definitive conclusion with with what the buck should do going forward? I think his game against Cincinnati was the worst game I've seen at least in terms of Lowe's is he's a high and low player he has every game. He snaps. You say, oh, that's why is the number one. Overall, pick many other snap three say that's why he still looks like a rookie, and he had so many highs and lows in his lows against Cincinnati were so atrocious. I I don't think the bucks had a choice I having they did have to make the move at least benching him that day. And the fact that we're still having the conversation leads me to believe this Winston era is probably over. And if he didn't have some of the maturity questions, it'd be a much harder discussion to have because I don't I don't think definitively. I'm not gonna say he can't play. But the fact that he's knocked right off the. Field while. Okay. It's not great off the field or on the field. He's a guy with decision-making issues also mechanically inconsistent. So he physically and mentally. We'll have breakdowns every game. That's not our starting quarterback. That's not our franchise QB anyway. Yeah. No. I agree completely. I think it's time for them to to move on. I think Ryan Fitzpatrick sticks around the bridge guy. I honestly, I hope they keep cutter. I didn't think they keep Dr cutter. After last year. I was pleasantly surprise I hope they keep your cutter. I hope they go with this Patrick as a bridge guy and find the, you know in next year's draft a lot of sort of high upside, but sort of long term projects at quarterback more so than last year and snag one of those guys and it's back to square one with the with the feature at quarterback for the Tampa Bay bucks. But I'm yeah. I think they're done with them. I think they have to be done with them at this point. Let's let's let's go. Let's go. Optimistic here. Let's go the Sunday night game. We'll start with that one. Since this is the I mean, it's such a historically. Great matchup, and we have plenty of stuff on the QB this week, Jenny. Brent is sort of look back on Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, and how absurd it is that back in two thousand one one guy was backing up the freshly minted hundred million dollar quarterback in New England. And no one thought he was he was going to amount to a to a franchise player in the near term. And Aaron Rodgers was literally I mean, he was recruited. He receives zero scholarship offers his senior year in high school, and how those two sort of rose up and some of the guys who were who were in on them early. And maybe didn't see them as all time crates were trying to advocate for them. When no one else was. But we're going patriots Packers here. Let's start with the Packers. And because I mean, they were essentially they needed a field goal. Week. I if Aaron Rodgers got the ball back of timeout Gumri doesn't fumble there. Aaron Rodgers just needs to dry for field goal, and they have defeated the Rams in Los Angeles. Defensively. How do you like them at this point is especially now that they're obviously Clinton just moved on? But they're they're solidified. I guess going forward in the defensive backfield. Yeah. They are. They're corners played very well against Iran's for most of the game. So if that's the case Green Bay's formula, we talked about this on this Monday morning show. It's fast disguised blitzes so extra defensive backs on the field and then corners and man to man coverage. Now the question is do you do that against Tom Brady given that New England's offense is so proficient at getting the ball out quickly because teams have had their most success against Brady. It's rushing three in dropping eight member Kansas City Kansas City week one last year. It's the best illustration Houston did this tomb as well, you keep those teams kept Brady's completion rate around fifty percent. Just by Clough. Crowding the middle of the field. So I would consider that as well this week. It'll be interesting to see what Mike Patton doesn't make Penton D coordinator for the Packers. Remember he's played Brady every year for several years in his career played in twice a year if the jets. Yeah, I mean, look it, and I don't think this is gonna shock. Anyone? You think that you know, the jets had that one playoff game where what they activated like a thousand defensive backs and just throw them all out in the field. And they shut down Brady that way. There's also a games, you know, the Steelers in the AFC title game two years ago comes to mind when when the sealers I they were gonna play coverage. And I mean, they just got carved up like like it was nothing. So. I guess when I think back to teams had really good games against Brady. They tend to like the Broncos used to get into those those short areas, and and sort of clog, the throwing lanes Julian Edelman on on those those shorter routes and things like that. But I don't know, man. This is a tough challenge for a for a Packers defense that that also just traded one of their safeties. This only Michelle thing is a big deal to New England will run the ball on. If you go light with all these DB's New England's of much more of a to back smashmouth offense. And we realized James defense a big part of what they do. And the fact that they can spread out into empty formations out of that that only encourages them all the mortar go to to back. So if they feel like miss Schiff Michelle can play then they'll feel like they can go to those two back sets. If he can't I don't see them doing the Cordeiro, Patterson experiment. Two weeks in a row. I didn't think. Patterson looked overly comfortable at running back. The way did get better as the game went along. But this may just come down to what kind of run plays Brady check in and out of if if the Packers do indeed go with all these defensive backs. Yep. Patterson did not look terribly comfortable back there and look no disrespect to the bills. But this this Monday night kind of felt like a let's rest up type of game for the patriots. I it just they must have been no argument for years about the Ps. You think the really think that's how the patriots approached it? Yes. I think he doesn't bring his bell. Check will keep Brady. And if they've got a thirty point fourth quarter lead sometimes he'll girders in meaningless games there too. We talked about this when they beat the cardinals with Jimmy Garoppolo in the opener a couple of years ago. The point I make with that buffalo game is they're looking at it saying if we score seventeen points we will win this game. Because the bills will not be able to score on three possessions with what they have with Derek Anderson and with all the all the shortcomings they have on offense. So the bar was low for the patriots offense. And and and their grog is healthy Gordon's in the lineup. It was a week to a Sony. Michelle fifty fifty you sit him you said, you don't need him. He you know, you'd rather have him a hundred percent next week. Then fifty percent this week sixty percent next week. That's that's my point on this. I don't think they were trying to lose to the bills. I just think they were comfortable going into that game slightly short handed taking something of a of a look forward as far as setting they're setting their an actives. Yeah. That could be. I wonder if this is because the patriots are so secretive about this about injury information, especially or if it's a philosophy within the organization, doesn't it seem like a lot of times in a guys out of the lineup for New England. He comes back a week later or two weeks later than you would guess it doesn't seem like guys come back too soon. Very often a guy always sitting again this week. He's inactive again this week. I think they might sense. And we'll never know this without being inside that organization, but my sense is they do take a patient long-term view within the season when it comes to injuries and letting guys he'll up well, it any kind of fits everything they do. I mean, it's a team that treats the season like a process there there. You know, we every September action say every September. But it feels like every other September. When we're through four weeks. There's all the end of the patriots dynasty pieces coming out because they're sitting at two in two or they've just lost to Miami or something like that. And and the they get better as year goes on they prepare themselves for December and January football. And that's that's when you want to win games. That's when it matters. It get upset. In January, but. Yeah. I I'm not backing I'm not backing down. I back down a little bit on the cardinals game couple of years ago. I'm not backing out on this. I think if Sony Michelle I'll put it this way if that was a game they needed Sony. Michelle was out there when you're looking at the bills and Derek Anderson center, they just they had more than enough without Sony Michelle to put up enough points outscore the bills that was not a game in danger. Look, I'm going to give you I guess we're arguing because you said you're not backing down since long term contentious. I'm gonna give you this one only because I think you care a lot more than I do about it. I do very much. So thank you for in being you're wrong about everything. But now you say it say it time on Gumri should not be wearing eight. No, I agree with the I guess this is my time on Gumri moment. I agree with you on time. Montgomery. I just don't get. I don't I don't think about it. You are technically. I just did. You give me that one because you don't care about it. I would say I don't care about. I agree with you. I agree. If you're going to have uniform number rules in force the uniform number rules. But I don't I don't it doesn't. I would not have thought about it. The second time had we not had. I not no new and on this podcast with you and Eric acted with you in my life. That's that's where it is. For me. Headed anything else? You want to talk about this patriots Packers game. When whenever I think back to the twenty fourteen matchup. I remember Jordy Nelson beating beating Giral rebus. And that's what ended up being the difference in that game. And everyone everyone kind of said that was the Nelson had pushed off on Durell Rivas. I personally think receiver should have been allowed to push off onto rail rebus when Ribas in his prime because it was just unfair otherwise. But that was that was a great game in two thousand fourteen that absolutely lived up to the hype. So I mean, this is this is going to be pretty good Sunday night for second straight week. I agree in that twenty fourteen game. It was twenty six to twenty one zero final score. Sometimes when you get to really good quarterbacks who run really defined, proficient. Offenses you get a little bit of a lower scoring offense of shootout because there's so much consistency with moving the chains. And there's so many completions that the clock keeps running. And it kind of leads for a shorter game. So just something to keep in mind. This might not be the high scoring affair. I don't know what the over under is we don't we don't we wait till Friday to do that on on gas at the Cutie. But I would I would take the under on this one. Whatever it is. That is that is nice synergy on the an MVP pod gambling podcasts every Friday with myself, Scott gramling, and Jimmy drain, and my brother makes that point all the time. People always look at over under and say oh to rate offenses, I'm taking the over here over under his often decided by if you get long dried, especially long drives that falter in the red zone. Whether it's a turnover fourth-down stop or or a field goal or misfield. That's the stuff that turns the over under. It's not necessarily. It's almost like sloppy football leads to higher scoring games. You're gonna have turnover champ short fields and a lot of possessions. Go back and forth. So a little bit of a little bit gambling advice. If any of you out there want to I don't know make make a small fortune with those guaranteed. That's right there. Let's go saints. Rams. This is just I mean, this is a monster matchup. This is you know, we were all excited about Rams Packers last week and saints Vikings. This is. Win percentage wise. I mean, you have a you have eaten over six in one right now. And this is this is a huge matchup and the six and one team hosts, and as the older, you know, as the old way of thinking goes saints are always better indoors at home than they are anywhere else. They are. I think this game comes down to or at least. I don't know if they are. But that's that's still thinking goes. Yeah. This game. I think comes down to what's the answer. New Orleans has for Todd Gurley. The more I watched that offense. And what girl is doing for them in the passing game in last week against Green Bay. He split out in the empty formations and caught the ball a few times and on some important is thirty touchdown. As two point conversion, those came out of those formations. I don't love the saints linebackers in coverage. I don't know if you play manners zone against him to offset it. But however, it is you're going to get girly on the linebacker at some point do the saints consider going with big nickel putting on bell in the game as third safety with Kirk Coleman rather than rotating home. I think you've got to something special against Todd girl. I don't think you can just line up and play your usual stuff. What happened in the first half last week? Why were the Packers successful against this Rams offense? Because I mean, they were they not off around. Can the saints can the saints. Go sort of blitz happy here and try and replicate that in the simplest what happened in the first half in the simplest terms. You know? I don't know. Do you think your Gulf listens to our podcast? I bet he listened to half of them. I been we're on his feet, and he gets this late into the show this. Yeah. I'm gonna go see him on Friday. So I don't wanna be too critical of them now. But he he was not good early on. He was yes, not himself and he left a number of throws on the field and it made for an inconsistent offense at halftime. It was like a light bulb went on for for golfing to also give other credit his receivers became more policy. There just was not the same cohesiveness. The Rams are very detailed in their route nuances and the timing in the spacing and how they stem in present their routes, and they got sharper at doing that after halftime and golf got sharper reading the field. And all of a sudden it was the Rams offense again, but they were not themselves early in the game. And in golf was for whatever reason he was not a comfortable QB early in that game. Yeah. And no Cooper Cup in that game. Obviously. I I don't wanna call him a security blanket. It seems like golf is quite comfortable with a with a lot of those guys go early and and woods and and and Brandin cooks Cooper Cup. At least the early reports. Sean McVay had said there is a good chance up is back in the lineup for this game. So that might that might sort of help smooth things out without offense a little bit not that they not that. They were terrible. There is bad for one half of football. And then they won the game. Anyway. Yeah. The saints. Saints offense almost got something of a a week off against the Vikings. But with all those turnovers sorta got to the end of that game. And and I'm even realized so the next day mostly because I wanna fancy matchup because of it. But drew Brees threw for one hundred twenty yards in that game. They just they didn't have the ball much because. They kept on getting overs from Minnesota. But I I mean, I is breeze just going to essentially dominate that. That back end of the Rams defense. Can can they match up with with what the saints have as far as the weaponry goes well member last year these teams played in Los Angeles. And the Rams made the saints earned just about every yard that gained the Rams linebackers played really one Ogle trees not here anymore. So it's not an apples to apples. But the only difference in the game was Alvin Kamara on this side of the ball Alvin Kamara made some huge plays for the saints. So it's are the saints. They better offense in the Rams are defense. Yes. But that doesn't mean that the that the saints will just run up and down the field on the Rams. I think they'll have to earn these yards. All right. Anything else from this game that you that you want to touch on any. What was up with the end zone last week? And the Rams Packers game to since. We're on the Rams at that. Anybody? I I'm not on social media during gains. Did anyone raise a stink about how it was purple and green because of the USC logo and zone paint underneath it? The ram low on top of the red and yellow I I was I was half listening to the broadcast as as game was going on. I I haven't looked at the schedule specifically, but that might have been might have been and I could be wrong on this. That might have been the first time this year that USC has has played the night before a Rams home game. Was it a night game? So that's what I'm wondering about. Because we kind of give people an assignment to Email us or tweet us every week. We're little things. I wanna know why that end zone thing hasn't happened before because US's been sharing that stadium with the Rams for a couple of years now. And that's the first time I can Rick. Call. Maybe I'm looking something's first time. I can recall that the colors all got mixed together. I remember was that Thom Brennaman doing the game because it wasn't Joe buck because he he he was at the World Series. They played. I mean, it was a three thirty kickoff against state for USC yesterday. Now, obviously that yeah. Twenty four hours is still not a whole lot of time to properly prepare a field for professional football game. But I thought I heard the the combinator say like, you know, the, you know, the crew had done a great job turn around the stadium after yesterday's game. I might dream. Well, they always they always say that by the way, the commentaries never say, oh, they still got some of the bunting from the college game. Who are these idiots? We're gonna stay. Just converse. The first conversation ever had dirt cutter. I met him at the senior bowl in twenty twelve been the he'd been this is a non sequitur, I guess, but he won't know it relates to feel colors, wait for this. Just calm down. No in twenty twenty till I met him. He had played a Boise state. He'd been their head coach in the late nineties, and then the humanitarian bowl one year Louisville came to town, Chris Redmond was to Q be in Moisy state was such a program that it was exciting that Chris Redman was coming and playing on our field here voice as people know that was at the time the b issues much bigger now as they were years ago Bluefield Boise the end zones were green for that game. And I think someone my assumption was somebody because it was a it was a a bowl game. So the ordered end zones for each team. There was a Louisville in zone and a boy state endzone in my guess. Was somebody just ordered it? And forgot to mention all the field is blue and whatever they ordered had a default green background. Now. That was what I was my theory. That's the fry wanted. No. I asked cutter very first thing. What happened with the end zone order? And of course, he didn't know he he didn't remember it was a different color until I had pointed it out, but that kind of thing fascinates, I like the little details of uniforms and end zones and painting the field and how they each team the painted field numbers. Have a different font. It's usually the teams font on the painted field numbers that kind of stuff to me is fun. Yeah. That is fun, by the way, your your body will Brunson actually wrote about this very subject the other day apparently at and I'll just read this forbade them from from Will's story because that's what that's what this podcast has come to. This is quote, apparently what happened for the broadcast was the field got soaked on Saturday night. And the grounds crew was unable to get all the paint off the field from US's matchup again. Arizona state surprising three three five loss to Arizona state as such their only option on Sunday morning. What you just toss? A ton of paint on top of the paint already in place in order to get the Rams helmet logo on the field. Go. And so then it raises the question is it better to have a completely ridiculous looking purple and green field like that. Or just say sorry guys. It's US field today. Yeah. I fine. If they just let it as USC field. I don't know. Maybe the NFL has a problem with that for branding purposes for for America's game of the week. Yeah. With the green zones. There's your answer. Fish bold will Brinson at it. That's that's gonna be rapper this show will add, and we apologize very much for for not doing them any mail bag this week. We just wanted to make sure we got to all the trade deadline stuff as well as promised with the with the pan stuff. We will. We will be back Monday morning. We will take mailbag questions on next week deep dive show for now. Thanks to a researchers read foster and Ryan Taylor who make it. Sound smart? Thank you as always producer Shelby Royston as well. 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Check your local listings, none of the call up as always attributed say ESPN, it's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six Stephen a Smith show throughout the country to Stephen a Smith show on Sirius XM channel eighty Stephen a Smith show live simulcast over the live national television ways of ESPN news reminder that we're taking the show on the road. And we'll be live from Dallas, Texas and Los Angeles, California all the next week. It's being brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics on the lavas as promise. One of the three owes a voices for Monday night football along with Joe Testa to him following the one and only Jason Witten future hall of fame tight end of fifteen years with the Dallas Cowboys he's right here with Steven and ESPN radio. What's up? Jason. How would you man? How's everything going? Well, how are we doing Stephen? I'm doing. All right. Let's get back in. Let's get right in to some of these trades that took place. Before the deadline expired. Jason you had. Golden Tate going from Detroit to Philadelphia you had to marry his Tom it's going from Denver to Houston. Okay. You had fouled on Fowler pass. Russia even though he didn't start play seven games this year. Didn't start had about two sacks on the year. Former number three overall pig on from Jacksonville to the loss Angeles Rams considering all of those things along with by the way, ha ha Clinton Dix going from the Green Bay Packers to the Washington Redskins. What do you think was the biggest coup that took place right before the trading deadline expired in the NFL on Tuesday. Why think there's a couple when you look at Amari Cooper for number reasons? I mean, you know, you look at he's twenty four years old. It's a little bit different than a lot of the other trades overseeing golden take Damaris Thomas because he's young he's in the primis career. And so he's still waiting to get that second contract. And however plays out. I mean, Dallas needed a guy that can really stretch the field a wide receiver one guy. They can lean on in the passing game from Dallas perspective. I like it in the fact that the divisions wide open and now halfway point, you know, washing bleeding and five and two thousand thirty three and four were Philadelphia formed four so they're behind a little bit. But they feel like I like their mindset of the Cowboys of we need somebody to get get us over the hump unless not wait till the end of the season and say, well, you know, doc was handcuffed and went in having a weapon. Let's go out and try to get a guy not only for this year, but for the future so where where he plays in it. Right. I mean, I think if that was the second round pick, and we talked about on this show last week. I mean, I think everybody would have felt competent that you win that trade with a second round pick. Now that it's a first round where does that fall, you know, time will tell but I like that mindset because where he's at in his career. And then I think ha ha Clinton Dix the safety going to Washington and not so much of. What does washing because obviously he makes him a lot better on the back end. And you know, an area that their secondary in Washington hadn't played great. I mean swearing who's kind of been a little bit of a journeyman in the fact of he's playing his best football aggressive safety. But you know, Josh Norman putting him putting ha ha Clinton Dix on this team at a lot to him. But I'm referencing it from what it says about Green Bay. And where they're at guy they draft in the first round. And I think it speaks volumes, and that trade what of the notion that Clinton Dix is what he used to be. You've got folks in Green Bay that were writing about how he may have lost a step three touchdowns. You could see him in coverage. He left the middle of the field opened on many occasions. He missed numerous tackles. They would you know, the Milwaukee journal sentinel counted at least seven by the time, and he was traded whatever they're basically intimating that he's not what he used to be. So it's not as big of a loss for Mike McCarthy in Green Bay pack as the Green Bay Packers as as some would assume you're. What do you say to that? While I can see that. And and when you look at him, I mean, statistically, you know, he's got interception. She's got sacked. He's in a new system. So I don't know where that plays in it. I played against him last couple of years and even Dom Capers system, I think he was more comfortable there. It was simplified and what they're asking. They were doing a lot of different stuff petting. There's a lot of different looks disguise from the back end. And I don't know if it's it's been out of position because of that because of the skies and not being comfortable in the first year of this new system, or is just he's not performing at that level. I was really high on him early in his career. We call the game a few weeks back you see some of those plays of flashes. But I also did see some of those where men missing open field tackles. He's not coming up in. You know, delivering these blows like we've seen from him in the past. So I think there's some truth to that. And you know with Green Bay they've been good on the back end for a long time. And that they've always had that guy. Charles Woodson was there for a long time. They've. Had that threat of safety that could come down and fit in the Ron could stop tight end. And then also could play the deep third, you know, back part of the field. And now I haven't seen haha Clinton Dix do that consistently enough. I think Washington looks at him as new system, they feel comfortable with them and us key that physical mindset they can get the best out of talking to Jason wit right here with Steven on ESPN radio and ESPN news. So we've got a situation where we've got ha ha Clinton Dixon Washington with swearing in that secondary. We've got the eagles picking up golden Tate. Obviously the Cowboys having Amari Cooper. So who do you think has the advantage at least in the NFC east right now, I've talked about records aside. We know that Washington is the first place for the time being. But who do you think has the advantage? The biggest event is based off of these traits in the division. I think you'd have to be Philadelphia, you know, and I say that and I I would follow it with something been off with Philadelphia. I mean, you know, they to kind of sneak that one out. Last week. But golden Tate brings them in talented. I think he's a very good complement to Alcyone Jeffrey the big physical receiver on the outside golden, take dug a lot of different things. He's quick. He he's got great body awareness and getting in and out of cut. She's really good in the screen game being able to use shifting to get open. And so you put him with this system. Doug Peterson what they do with his own reads, and all that kind of stuff that that you see Carson Wentz starting to get really comfortable in coming off that injury Zakar it's playing at a high level alshon, Jeffery your big physical receiver. I think he can be that guy knowing that the running game is not what it was right with the injuries. He can be the guy that can take the place where you can throw a quick screen, and they can get you eight right now, they don't necessarily have that playmaker type. So I look at that and say, okay, you give up a third round pick form, but he's a great complement to that system. He's smart. He's tough. Off kind of fits that. Philadelphia mold. So at four and four I I think, you know, when I look at it like, all, right? He's a really nice wrinkle because he played at a high level, right? So just like we were talking about ha ha Clinton Dix of what's out there. You know, even Amari Cooper you look at the last sixteen games. He hasn't played as well as he did in his first couple of years in the in the league now part of that system, and I get all that those different things. But you know, what you're going to get out of golden take. And that's why say Philadelphia. What right here with Steven eight years, PIN radio ESPN news. Let's get back to the Dallas Cowboys in this respect. Now that you've got Amari Cooper. I've made the argument that this puts even more pressure on that press guy. Jerry Jones knows that come this summer. They're going to be free to discuss contract extension with him and really securing his long-term future with the Dallas Cowboys obviously Dak Prescott the cheapest quarterback in the NFL right now. It doesn't cost Jerry Jones much to have him. That's all expected change this summer. I think this move was made in large part to see what deck Prescott Brinson table on whether or not he's going to be worth making that long-term investment in him knowing Jerry Jones the way that you do along with Stephen Jones is this. They're thinking. You know, I'd have to disagree with you, Stephen. And the reason why I say that is you're always evaluating the quarterback position. And Dak Prescott. I think you know, bigger than Amari Cooper. They've they've constantly been evaluating Dak they know where Dax at certainly they hope that he can take that next step in his young career as you move forward. I think it's bigger than that. I mean, you know when you look at their football team. I think Jerry says okay, it's not fair to Dak. We don't even have anybody outside of Kobe's easily really that can win those one on ones consistently like we want. They've always had star receiver at some point. You know, going back to early in my career, Joey Galloway was air Keyshawn came in to yo signed traded for ROY Williams, drafted dead. And so I think he looks at it a long term. I don't think they made that trade just to evaluate Dax certainly expectations. Go up. I think that pressure probably gets put on the offense a coaching staff and Jason Garrett more than it does Dak I mean, you're gonna continue to evaluate it. And you wanna see Dak make those those strides as a quarterback position in year three that goes without saying, but I think more than anything else you're gonna use this time to get a star receiver that you feel like can be there for the next five six years. And that's always been the formula for the Cowboys winning on the outside. And they just didn't have that guy. Kobe's a really good player, but majority his works in the slot. You need somebody that can do it stretch the field. And even if he's not getting those place, it coverage has to go to a guy and right now when you watch douse on tape. They don't they're not fearing any of these receivers on the outside. And so it's making it really tough. It's putting a lot of pressure on the line who hasn't performed as well as they've been in the past. It's kind of been that rock-solid group inside. And so that's I think all of that combined is why when you look at that offense at it hasn't performed at that high click clip in the in the passing game days. Wait right here was Stephen eight years, pay radio. Jason let's move on from. This from that subject. What were your initial thought you saw what happened to the Green Bay Packers against the Los Angeles? Rams when Tom Montgomery took that ball out of the end zone on the kickoff, and ran it out and fumbled the ball instead of making sure that they got to Amer Rogers with a little onto two minutes left in the game. And all you needed was a field. Go to win. What were your thoughts? When you saw that happened. Well, first off, I just think in maybe my eyes are open to it more. Now that I'm in the chair Monday night football, but you know game management. It's so important. And oftentimes we see it's like, man. I I don't know. It's played out. Exactly perfect. I understand you gotta make a lot of big time decisions in split seconds. But you know, time is more important than yardage in that standpoint of taking that kickoff return out. Right. I mean, you know, I mean, how many of those do we see get passed the thirty yard line. We know the average of going to twenty five yards now with the new rule teams are doing that. Just because they're saying are most of the time. We're not even getting there, certainly when you have Aaron Rodgers on your team, you wanna give him the ball with as much time as you possibly can give. So, you know, obviously, they add all over do again. They would they would say not come out to me like you. I just said did he make that decision on his own going against what the coaching staff asked him to do. Do then you have an issue. I I haven't been able to get to the bottom of that. I know you're working really hard to figure that out. It sounds like that necessarily wasn't the case of did they tell us to in. And he went out anyways. Or was it? Just like, hey, I'm gonna make a play for my team. This is my attitude. Jason if he made a mistake. It happens is football. It's on wise. But it happens is football. It's not a big deal. If he actually ignored a directive from the coach who told him, the take a knee, and he just ignored the order ignore the order as they say not to pick up a few good men, but ignored the order if that then you know, what I cut his behind. I really would have or shipped them off to the ravens like they did if he ignored the order, but he's saying that he didn't. And if he's saying that he did it. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and not believe that he would be so insubordinate and so selfish in that situation. Absolutely. I agree. But the bottom line, regardless of you know, where you fall on that you want to get the ball with Aaron Rodgers, and I would have liked to seen what Aaron did in that situation. I mean, 'cause you know, I called the game a couple of weeks ago when he did it against San Francisco. I would've liked to seen not only for Green Bay side took to look at that. But also want to see it from the ram side of you know, they made all these acquisitions, and we kind of put them. His contenders. And certainly they are setting their undefeated eight. No. But I wanted to see how their defense could handle plan in those tough situations at critical times, and it'd been a great learning experience for all of us to be able to watch. And I think it would have been a big tail to see how you know the rest of the season plays out. But the bottom line when you look at Green Bay, it's so tricky because I don't know that anybody would have doubted or bet against Aaron Rodgers in that situation because of the body of work and how good he is in those situations and a two minute drill. But at the same time if you really look at it it took one of those Hercules performance against San Francisco Abacha emphasis co- team to win that one on Monday night a couple of weeks ago opening night, heroic performance coming back down to Chicago probably should've lost that one Minnesota. They have the draw kicker. Probably should have made that kick for Minnesota. And you're sitting there looking at like, hey, they got really one win against the Buffalo Bills a bad Buffalo Bills team. Now at the end of it all they're sitting there at three three and one, and I don't think anybody's counting them out. Because at times the defense has played. Well, it's been a nice adjustment. When you look at my pets defense, and then of course, Aaron Rodgers I don't think anybody's going to bet against him. And what he's got going on this offense with Davante Adams. But when I say it like that you can look at it and say man, I mean, they very easily could be at one in six, and I understand that's kind of the world we live in and the NFL every game comes down to one possession, or you know, one score and this league. But still I think I don't know that any of us would have seen the season kinda plan out how it has at the end of it. Although there's still sitting there at three three and one Jason touching on a ranch for quick second before I move on them acquiring. A, you know, the list them getting Fowler. How much did they need him? How much do you think it will help them? Well, I think he helps them a lot. And you know, I think more than anything else that outside edge rusher. I mean, we we can talk about Donald all we want and he pl- performing a high level. I mean, it's ridiculous. How good he is. And sue to you know, being that presence strong inside pushing the pocket. That's where it starts. But you you do need to have that pressure off the edge and wait fills his defense is always had one of those type of players when you look at von Miller DaMarcus where even going back to Bruce Smith many years ago, they have somebody on the edge that can come around the corner. So Fowler when you look at his career it's been up and down at times, you know. But I do think the thing he does best is rush the passer who's the defensive player of the year right now your mind is in an errand Dahmer visit at J J watt in Houston. I'm only taking Khalil Mack out of the mix because he's missed a few games now. Yeah. I mean, I think Khalil Mack was on the short-track yet because he was he was having game changing plays. But I think it's Aaron Donald. I mean in JJ watt. It's amazing to see him come back and perform at the high level. But Aaron Donald is so disruptive if from inside I mean, I don't know that we've seen somebody play that at that level consistently in the running game in the passing game making that many disruptive place. He can't be blocked. I mean, there's two guys on him a lot of times. And he's still splitting them. Here's a that. Combination of speed explosion and power and being a little bit shorter. He has leverage on these guys. And so, you know, we all talk about the sax and what he's doing there. But I mean watch him in the running game the tackles for loss. You can't run to his side of the ball. You know, what you're absolutely right. I'm just looking at right now. I watched them. I mean Tedy Bruschi disrupting I'll sportscenter the day where he's talking about basically three guys on him. And he still almost got to the quarterback guys. Unbelievable. We're talking to Jason wit radio. It was Stephen a ESPN radio and ESPN is let me move onto the NFC south in this respect, you think a cut of made the right decision benching James Winston putting in Ryan Fitzpatrick. And then announcing on Monday there. Ryan Fitzpatrick will be the start of this upcoming week to make the right call. Absolutely. You had to do it. That was the right play for one for his job. You know, he needs to go out there. And he knows he needs to win. And Secondly, I mean James is is it tough study. Because at times when you watch him you say man, this guy can be a franchise quarterback. He gets through his reads. He's smart. His legs are good enough extending place. But then you just don't see the growth. I mean line one for a quarterback. He's got to protect the football line one. You can't do it. And he has a lot of weapons. With Evans Howard. You know, the John Jackson. You look at that what he has. But he's just turning the ball over. And then it just doesn't seem to get corrected. And when that continues to happen you have to move forward. And I think going back to Fitch Patrick. Here's your chance to win. And you know, I think a lot of people just assumed okay? You know, he'll be back. And he's the franchise guy for Tampa Bay. I don't necessarily know. That's the case and it kind of happened right before I got Jason. I'd see list that you hear rumors about the Sean Jackson wanted to be traded. You John Jackson saying that the first two and a half games three games of the season when Ross Patrick Christoph over four hundred yards. He said that when James Winston came back and just looking at the body language. I certainly listen. I didn't play football. You guys did. That's why I'm asking you to question. There is such a thing as body language in my correct? When I talk about these guys and how they look like Ryan Fitzpatrick is who they want to play with and who they want to play for not Jameis Winston. Yeah. You know, I mean. You know? I mean, I said turnovers an important so not line number one. I guess one be for me would be the body language of the quarterback. And you know, you you gotta be able to throw it. You've got to be able to, you know, look guys off with your eyes and and throw guys open and do all those different things. But you have to take command in the huddle. I mean, you have to show guys that here's how we're going to do it. I'm gonna lead the charge, and it's every single day how you handled meetings. How you go when the weight room how you carry yourself. How you call the play in the huddle. How you get from the huddle to the line of scrimmage. You are the leader of the football team. And I think that's spreads throughout by the way, you carry yourself, and you see the way Fitzpatrick's plan and a lot of people say, well, that's easy to do it where he's at in his career. No, he's done it that way that entire career. And James, I just think you know, when you turn the football over, and I know he's trying to make plays. And he's shown at times. I may be clear he has played at that level is just not consistent enough. And you know, when you talk about where that franchise is you know, and and him being a number. One pick you say, can we really depend on that just on the football side of stuff. I'm not talking about the field issues. I just don't know that you can count on that. And he he I think he learned from his mistakes. I think he said all the right things how he came back and showing up early and trying to earn that job. But that was an opportunity he needed to take advantage of. And I think Dirk made the right decision of going with Fitzpatrick and seeing how this thing plays out. I made this claim Jason that drew Brees this game against Los Angeles is huge for him in this respect. I know he's not thinking about it. He's just trying to win games and trying to capture a Super Bowl before he decided to walk away from the game the game. He's all time leading Passi has nothing approved, but he's never won a league MVP award. And I think that if he shows out this weekend against the Los Angeles Rams because of how good they are. I think he will eclipse Patrick Mahomes as the front runner for league in the for the league MVP award to that you say what? Well, I think it's. He's definitely deserving of that. I mean the level he's playing at. And and how he's doing it. You know? I mean, you look at early in the season how these plays that he's made comebacks, and you know, he ran it in Senate overtime against a, and you know, he gets an shoot out and some of these games and how he's performing you. You know, I'm amazed think drew Brees has never won an MVP. But insane all that. I think it's the Patrick Mahomes show, Steven A. I mean, these guys don't twenty six touchdowns, you know, as first you're starting. He's done a number of different ways inside the pocket outside the pocket on the road at home from behind with the lead. It doesn't really matter. I mean, he's a bright star. And I told you a couple of weeks ago when they lost up to New England. If I'm Andy Reid, I'm getting on that airplane smile on my face because I know that I got a quarterback that's the real deal and easier for a long time and talk about body language and handle it adversity for a young player. I mean, you can't say enough tremendous things about. Patrick Mahomes and how he's making these plays. You know, it's going to be a shootout and BB candidate you you can always say it's a close race. And you just mentioned drew Brees, and he's certainly performing a high level. But I mean if Patrick Mahomes can keep this. I'd like to see their defense improve a little bit for Kansas City that got to play better. They gotta get some stops. Because I think you look at that. I mean, those are the top fourteen it's Rams and saints in the NFC and the AFC it's the chiefs in patriots performing. I can't wait to watch the plays out. I know somebody, and I'm just ribbon you a little bit here having fun with you, buddy. But I gotta tell you this. I got somebody else to I'm wondering about in terms of the tough job ahead of them. And that's you, sir. This is your first you on Monday night. You got to Cowboys your Cowboys on Monday night football. You gonna be alright you'll be all right? If if Tennessee get the benefit of a you going to be okay, Jason Witten. Well, you know, what I'm supposed to do a show with you on Monday. If I provide that. Growing some stuff at you. You know, when when they when you come to Dallas, they can survive that I think I'll be okay for Monday night. But I'm telling you, I got extra security to come around you when you come to Dallas. Let me tell you something I'm calling Jerry Jones. I know he probably will come on. But I'm placing a personal call Jerry Jones to ask him to come on myself. You know, why Jason because people don't realize this Jay Jason Jerry Jones is my friend. Just like Tim Tepa was Jerry Jones is my friend is to cowboy fans, I can't stand and I can't wait to see. Thanks a lot buddy. All right, great. We bit. The what Jason went right here. It was Stephen ESPN radio. ESPN news inundate say ESPN is not seven six don't be under any any visions of granted. Jerry Jones ain't coming on. No show with me. I'm asking them now. But I know he ain't coming on. No show with me not as much as I get on the Cowboys. I know he coming. I'm still asking doesn't bother me does hurt to ads. You know? I like Jerry Jones can't stand them damn cowboy fans though. And ours actually hate when he says, how dot them old. He's Dallas Cavell. We'll see we'll see Enervate say ESPN edited seven to nine three seven seven six more to Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio back to your calls and more in a minute. If you're a smoker, you know, switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes. Andy six they just didn't deliver the satisfaction you expected but jewel is different. It's not an e cigarette it's vapor product that actually satisfies plus Julie's simple to use. And there's no cigarette. Ash, no lingering odor as a smoker, you expect a certain nicotine experience right jewel delivers give jewelry. Try check out. J U L dot com slash sports. Switch and be satisfied. Yes. You can do both. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. You'll seem to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Oh, by the way, ladies and gentlemen before. I get to the phones. Matt Patricia y'all know who that is? Head coach for the Detroit Lions defensive coordinator for the New England Patriots. He got into it with a reporter yesterday. Did he get into it with a reporter because of a harsh question? No. Did he did he get into it with a reporter because this history there? No, not that we know. Did he get into it with a reporter immediately following a game or something like that? No, no. None of that happened. Ladies and gentlemen. Matt Patricia got into it with a reporter because during oppressor with the press. Of course, this guy. So disrespected because he did not like a reporters posture. He felt the reporters posture had a reporter was sitting down was disrespectful. Listen to this exchange. Please take it away. Y'all. Why do you think this move makes your franchise? Like. I'm sitting. Okay. That's fine question professional. Okay. Why do you feel like this move makes your franchise better? Ladies and gentlemen. John look at me when I'm talking about this. Are you freaking kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me? So our reporter is sitting down. And because I guess he's slouched or something like that module. He didn't say anything about the words that would be an ass of him. He was saying he wasn't sitting there. He wasn't telling them to ask me ask me the question, professionally as if the wording of the question, what's up professional the men in which the guy was sitting Matt Patricia of all people. Had a destiny to sit up there and saying what could you sit up, please? And brief professional laser tournament. Guess what I'm saying this, and I hope map Patricia. I'm not getting into the back and forth in terms of the word the question. I was asking whatever, I'm only speaking. I don't know. Matt Patricia never met him. I'm not questioning this football active, and he's actually doing a better job than I thought he would do based on how to lie opening night against the jets. Okay. I'm not getting an Antionette this, man. Matt patricia. There are very very few people. It professional sports in a head coaching job. That has the right. I mean, what what what don't want destiny? Matt put Tricia, why am I saying ladies agenda, and you know, why have you seen this? God dress. Have y'all seen that Patricia address? Did it did anybody think to tell Matt Patricia to get a haircut? Anybody? How about him wearing that? Goodell clown shirt was that professional when he was mocking Roger Goodell because he was set at deflate date and have Tom Brady was being pursued by Roger Goodell at a National Football League. He wore Roger Goodell, cloud shirt was that professional. Have y'all watch have y'all see he looks slovenly. I am not being disrespectful. I am not disrespecting Matt. Patricia. I am stating fact. There have been times where Matt Patricia has gone out there and look like a damn vagrant. Am I lying? I got my producer stare at me. I got producers bought everybody looking right at me. Am I lying has Patricia walked out on a football field or shown up at a press conference? Look like a damn vagrant. That's right. I said it. You know, it's almost like this that I get actually very depressed it. I'm stuck in studio. Sometimes. I mean, listen, he would not have even been talk because we all know how Stephen addresses, we all know what I'm starting to be bragging. I'll believe I wanted to best dress reporters in America. I line. I saw it. If that fo it, but my suits my wardrobe is pretty damn Flos. Let's just call it. What it is. We stay in facts. Right. And you need emotional. Not be subjective. But from city city state to state and terms of reporters supports riders, whatever journalistic category, you wanna find you'd be hard pressed to find somebody that dress better than me. I'm just saying I'm just saying. Well, I gotta be honest with you. I couldn't see the reporter. He was talking to. But I wouldn't need. See I'm telling you right now as much of an oxymoron as this statement appears to be I actually pride myself, although I'm a journalist I actually pride myself in minding my own damn business. I talk about what I need to talk about. I don't talk about half the stuff. I don't talk about seventy five percent of the stuff. I actually no because it's none of my business. But I gotta tell you John. I really got to tell you. I would have had a tough time not jumping in that specific conversation and saying Patricia, I know you didn't just get on a report about being professional. Matt patricia. I'm quite sure he's had moments where he's dressed decent and shot. But for the most part he looked slovenly. And I'm not talking about wait. I'm not getting it to his girth or anything like that. I'll talk about the many of which he dresses in carries himself. There's nothing and I'm not questioning spoke. Why activists he played for coach for Bill Belichick? He wants Super Bowl championship. I would not dare question. Anything about map attrition that regard out? Just talking about how he looks set. You wanna get on a reporter about how they were sitting when they asked you a question has anybody told Matt Patricia how he looks showing up to work every day. He has looked like a straight out Slav sometimes say it. I'm not saying he is one. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Not respect football activists and has title. I'm sure he earned right? I don't have a problem MP and head coach of the lies. He's earned that right nothing like that. I'm only talking about how he dresses sits. He brought up. How somebody looked? How you get a reporter? For sitting. And I didn't see the way that reported was city. But how are you of all people gonna get on a reporter for how they sit in where you show up to work looking the way he looks. Due out the years am ally. John. The word slovenly is I'm asking my producers, put Muno John cat, J C. I'm asking y'all am. I am I being outta line. When I say that he has looked slovenly. Let me give you a little secret. Let me go. Let me go the black route for second. Y'all do understand why so many black people focus on their wardrobes. Right. You might have defiant youngsters young whippersnappers breath, smell like sip Similac, wet behind the ears who wanna look and dress any away they want to because they're being defiant, but for the most part. Those who understand that they're going to be participated Culp corporate America. You do understand that for the most part? Black folks have always been reminded about pleasing tation. And at accounts. My folks had that problem. And there is very few the pitcher MAs that reality more. Matt patricia. Because I'm be straight up and down with you. I don't know a black man that could get a job as a head coach in the National Football League. Look in the way, he has looked. He has been he has looked slovenly. That is a fact. And you got the nerve to be talking about look professional sit up and look professional. What nerve table. I. Oh, mama's like this. I'm mad. I'm studio. I was I was at that press conference when he said that I'm might have fade it might it right in front of Matt Patricia like you of all people. Bill to understand that. Tech all rinks. I'm just saying. Come on. At eight say ESPN, listen live CVS being radio game tickets. Find just these vivid seats deficient take part of the SPN at the promo code ESPN at checkout receive ten percents off your order today. Vivid seats, your call to close out the minute. You listening live Stephen ESPN radio ESPN news. And now I fought from Geico motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to purchase the gas station, eggs, solid. The gas station exerted. And regret the gas station it as you presented numbers to the board. Insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen eggs Ellen minutes. Does what your motorcycle insurance to gyco? Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. Guess what you're in the middle of Stephen with Joe podcast. Made it back to the phones we go to get on outta here for the day. Let's go to Robert July. Stephen a real quick, Robert go ahead. Hey, Steven going, then I'm all right? Go ahead, buddy. I got two things. I wanna talk about one historically abysmal decisions. The Packers have made about their secondary. Whether it be Sam shields. Casey Hayward, letting Williams go the first time. Some feels a little bit different about this Clinton Dix thing though. Okay. Getting Josh Jackson, some of these young guys and time. Thinking might be a good thing. Well, it might be a good thing. The problem is you trust it because it's the Packers. You see what I'm saying? It's like it's like you got Amer Rogers. They messed up playing around do what needs to be done do Shaw. Fi things. Let's not speculate. Let's make sure we know what the hell we're doing. Don't just roll the dice. We'll see why. Because we got Raja's you've taken for granted a long enough as my point. That's all. He was going to be gone at the end of the season. Anyway, that's true. But this season eight over this season. I know, and I don't know if this is the time to be taking any chances. But I get your point. I appreciate which come from. Thank you so much Dale Ulli. Stephen they real quick they'll go ahead. Hey, first off is man that serve my country. I just wanted to say, you know, I applaud you for standing up for what you believe in. Because what that was saying earlier. I apologize. We all have our rights, and it's nobody has the right to take away anybody's rights. No matter. No need to apologize. He just disagreed with me wasn't taken away my right to do anything. But he just disagree with me, which I respect I respect Paul for that. I just don't agree with that. But go ahead. Make your point real quick, buddy. Real fast point is this isn't anything new at the Packers though. I mean, we look at it since Ron woolfe left. They did the same thing with Brett Farr, especially they've never surrounded these to all time. Great quarterbacks with any real towns. No protection. It's it's nothing. That's new. This still breath off had the minister defensive Reggie White. In those boys. That's got a Super Bowl on wolf after making relax. Gotcha. All right, man. Appreciate the call. Thank you so much. I'll be back to talk about this and so much more tomorrow morning. I love doing this radio show. And I love y'all fa support him y'all have no idea how much I love talking to my listeners. I just love it. I was I leave the line. Open lines open all day long. I really do. I love it. But I gotta get outta here. I'll be back in twenty two hours. And I'm about to appear on the Paul finebaum show. But I'll talk to you all the twenty two hours piece. 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Are we on we are on? Now. The monitor that returns us right now is showing a live look at Stephen Smith radio shoot us, which normally normally there's a camera that we can sort of see what's being broadcast right to the people that are watching us on Twitter at follow us at fantasy focus. We should have follow that on Twitter. But we're not I'm just I'm seeing some random secrets. Sure. It's one of the things that nobody pre show that when you're a lot of times when you have a producer that sort of sets up the studio correctly, and does what they're supposed to do this. Yes, Matthew makes one point in regards to him being a part of the meeting yesterday. And I was done. He thinks he is overseer of all things that take place during up production me want us to share the things you miss out on during the meeting too. You can go ahead. What do I care the what is Bill Belichick say do your job? Do your job. Yeah. Listen, you know, what I do? I do my job. In the studio. Girl, doing his job seekers grow on a little extra camera time. So he after things go once more time of secret, squirrel, really on. Yeah. They do on the camera. Of course today will be Freeview in every single game. And picking them as well on pigskin pick him. But I am Daniels is kind of awkward to ask you about this. When you're in the room you can run back in. Aw. For those of you that listen to this podcast with any regularity. You are aware of the great kit and chip they're inclined friends who have written theme songs for all of us. And Daniel I'm always blown away by just how magnanimous so many members of the six are including kinship who have offered something really cool. They have actually we've had a lot of people that have asked to be able to have some of the theme songs because it's just so much fun to listen to. And it means a lot that they've put so much time and effort and energy into it. So kinship decided to do something this year. Okay. 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Obviously if you've been blocked by Matthew, you can donate is a ten dollars for the foundation to whatever whatever anyone can afford. There's no minimum amount for me. I don't know what the V foundation accepts. But there's no minimum amount for me to unblock. You just send an Email to unblock me at ESPN dot com. And there's a couple that have been sent in that, I know I still have to get to. So that's on the list to do. So if you have sent something in, and you haven't been unblocked, it will will happen. Very soon. I assure you. But if you just all you do is the same thing, you go to foundation dot org or Jimmy. V dot org. I should say you go to V Jimmy V dot org. Donate whatever amount you can afford. Everyone can afford different amounts as all tax deductible. Of course hundred percent of the proceeds to the foundation, go to cancer research, which one of the great things about that organization. And so, and then you take his, you know, send a copy of your receipt to unblock me at ESPN dot com. And I will be happy to unblock you candidly. It sounds like you were just copying. Exactly what kitten ship have been doing for. What seems like a very long time. Well, they're innovators. I will say that. Honestly, when you think about it feel sorta get two for one because it's not like, I'm gonna know. So I mean like, you could you could make the donation sent a copy of it to me through unblocked media's dot com, and then you could send that same donation to kit and chip oh, six oh music at gmaiLcom, a donation donation a donations in a nation. Yeah. There you go. Secret, squirrel. Do you? Do you want to play one of their songs real quickly? Just so people can get a taste of what we're talking about it. Yeah. Should which one? Do you want to do real quick the best one? Okay. So I wanna do Kyle's. All right. We'll do house again. Turney? Nasty. Bravo. The work kit in chip donate. Now have your opportunity to listen to that. And every other song, they performed anytime. You want? Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. There's always one less thing. Fair. Also that bit also has been done for a long time by Scott van pelt. So maybe just find a different phrase one big thing one last thing. Yeah. One more thing that I've done you're saying that to me, I you're saying that you're just prolonging it just. Tell me what you what you really really want. What you need really, really. You knew right. I wanna I wanna I wanna I just I want. I just wanna go gave me. Let's begin with the ravens and the Bengals and part of me wishes. We could do this game a little bit later on in the show because we could get some injury updates here. But there is a very important one on both sides of the ball Safaniah Joe mixing looks as of right now uncertain play on Sunday for the Bengals added to the report on Thursday. You know, how we don't like that and added because of his knee, and I think he's been playing so well that people might forget that he missed some time earlier this year after suffering knee injury had a scope done recovered very quickly and came back really strong. So I think you just assume it's behind him. But it's tough to have an injury early in the season continue playing. So we don't know the details of what caused him to be put back on the injury report. But there on Thursday if he doesn't practice again on Friday, and it sounds like so far no sign of him today. I would say make alternate plans. That may involve of course. Giovanni Bernard who himself has been banged up. And he is scheduled to play this Sunday if you'll make some MRs retorting about Bernard's top twenty play I think borderline I think you'd see some Mark Walton mixed in there as well. And then you think about this matchup against a ravens defense field. But you know, obviously is has been pretty good. Obviously, you know. I mean, listen they've struggled in run defense recently. They're actually twenty fifth against the run over the last four weeks. So it's not the it's not as vaunted as it has been. But still you think about this Bengals offense without AJ green. And we certainly looked out of sorts last week on the road to a ravens team. That's now had two weeks to prepare for this game games in Baltimore. I think he would be a borderline Rb to I certainly would project them for less points than I would Joe mixing by the way, I'm going to each game that we begin with are at the beginning of each game to lay out the players that we view as starters for those games. And obviously if you have you've ridiculous embarrassment of riches a particular position. Your definition of starter could be different than others, but on average. So like, for example, if it's a quarterback who's a top six player top ten play. Even we may not be that much. We may not get into too much analysis of hey, you are starting Cam Newton. Because Kim means awesome. Started most weeks. Same thing goes for like top fifteen running back top fifteen to twenty wide receivers. There's some caveats that apply, but we're going to start with that each game. And also, of course, the injuries of note. So Joe mixing projected for fifteen point one fantasy points. My if Giovanni if we knew for fact, Joe mixing, we're not playing. Yeah. I would I personally listen, I'm not Mike clay who does all rejections and does a great job for us. But I'd probably project Giovanni Bernard at like twelve one something like that. Someone that mange they have. And I agree with you that Mark Walton cookies, but they have for whatever reason been pretty reliant on one running best, correct? No matter who that running back is that seems to be the way that Cincinnati ebbs and flows a title. Boy, if I mean, the ravens have a lot of running back to catch a touchdown pass each of the last two games, and so Naro who's a nice pass catcher without AJ green. You could see some more work in the passing game for him Talboys should be bounceback candidate after three catches last week against the saints. And what looks like a very good spot. The problem is it's a really bad match against an excellent Raven's pass defense that being said like it's going to be difficult for us to come up with like twenty five wide receivers. Then you have a much clear better outlook then Tyler Boyd as the number one wide receiver and a pass heavy happy offense. But John Ross is kind of interesting because he played the greatest percentage of snaps in a game for him in his career last week. He now has three touchdowns on eight catch. We know he's a big play waiting to happen. Six targets last week. Like if you're ready for this one sixteen on a by John Ross could be desperation Dr throw this week on a percent. I mean, you mentioned the touchdowns to in the last three and. Last week without AJ green. John Rosca twenty six point three percent target share. Yes. Big twenty six percent of the targets here. Now ravens are pretty good against the deep pass. They love the six fewest deep completions this season. And that's been part of his game. But seems like they're using Ross at least a little bit more slightly different routes. They're expanding his route tree. And so I agree with you in in a week where anyone with a pulse is a viable candidate John Ross who has that first round pedigree who certainly going to get a tunnel looks in a game in which the raven. The the Bengals were looking for different players to step up with AJ green and potentially Joe mixing out of this game. Yes. If you're looking for Dr throws, John Ross, certainly on the list of high end, Dr throw I think amongst the storylines of the weekend is who will play quarterback for the ravens, it's defined you. I don't know if it'd be Joe flacco or Lamar Jackson or RG three baby. It'll be Joe flacco or Lamar Jackson. What I was saying. He doesn't show. We'll be. He doesn't show. We'll be them because then be RG. RG three seasons back. Jokes. Well, so let's. Guys do that for me. Would you guys? It would be great. If you and field would explain jokes to me. I would love that. Favor. Can you break this down for me? Just explain to me where the humor comes from. Where I missed it. Just just break it down for me, very very specific exp-, acidic rain. No my. Joe? Hey. I'm gonna take notes here. Ready? The story line of the weekend could be who might start at quarterback for the ravens it. I'm not sure if it's going to be Joe flacco or Lamar Jackson, right raining. Andy might be. Three. And you're like, where's the humor part of that? But she just said, no. Understood each other. And you clearly did not that will help me out. What am I missing here? You're missing the fact that in that poll we did yesterday. Seventy four percent of America thought that I was not always a good move to block you. I think that's what you're forgetting about this here. Thousand votes by the one I was just I was you know, you've had the hamstring recall joke. So, you know, you're sort of the comedy master hoping you could sorta man. Either some things you can teach in life things. You can't comedy is not one of the. Both of them will sit entirely possible. So going back to Joe flacco thirty three years old inches. Right. Hip on the six play at the ravens last game. And he was hit from behind. But it sounds like he actually got hurt or at least this what heart bus said that he got hurt when he landed awkwardly on his name you think about knee. Yeah. That is your femur kinda drives the fiber up towards the hip. So he was on crutches the week. After hasn't been doing much now harbor has said that he doesn't need to practice the play. If he doesn't practice at all. He's like he's been running offense for eleven years. He could still play. But let's be honest if he's not moving around. Well, and he has a hip injury. That's compromising him. Even if it's not something that's gonna cost them the rest of the season. It's certainly doesn't sound at least right now. Like he's really a candidate for Sunday. And then you've got Lamar Jackson the assume. Okay. He's going to be the guy. But then Thursday, he does not practice at all due to a stomach illness and everything I'm hearing is like look. Jackson. He's all the practice. He can get and missing Thursday such a huge day in terms of prepping for the weekend that is possible with him being out. And who knows if he's even feeling better on Friday. But it's possible with missing Thursday that he may not be the best option for them on Sunday. So potentially RG three who was the only available quarterback in practice yesterday. Let's do this Matthew. Let's break this down into two separate options. Okay. If RG three starter, but let's begin with Lamar Jackson starter. What does it mean? For Jackson wasn't me for the rest of the offense. Look, I I think Lamar Jackson a very viable streamer would be like a top fifteen play because of the rushing. I mean think about Tim tebow who I think everyone will agree was not a good NFL quarterback. He was still a very viable fantasy quarterback average over sixteen fantasy points a game and whatever Lamar Jackson's deficiencies or inexperience of throw are right now. They're not as bad as Tiba was. And so honestly, we don't know that. I'm going out on a limb may not be a lot better, you know. But I think it's at least somewhat better. Honestly. So I think when you think about the the pass catchers that he has available to him. Whether it's the mar- Jackson RG three Brown and Crabtree and Snead's people that we think are nice. And then you think about this defense facing the Bengals defense firing defensive coordinator is the worst defense in the NF over the last four weeks there last the NFL and pass defense. There lasted run defense elastic scoring defense. So I think what it does. I think involves Alex Collins because we've seen rushing quarterbacks have a positive effect on running games because you have to use a linebacker sort of spy on the the quarterback. I a mobile quarterback that Mobile's. Lamar Jackson RG three said opens up some running lanes for the running back here. So I think it's a big Alex Collins game if one of these guys starts, I think you'd you'd have to downgrade the pass catcher somewhat because I think, you know, we don't think Lamar Jackson RG three or as good as good a thrower. Or is it accurate? Joe flacco is but I'd been courage. And I think if you're sitting there if you like if you play the league with a weasel like Daniel Dopp where you're like there's nothing on the waiver wire somebody just picked up four or five quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson and or RG through ever gets the start for the ravens. I think would be a very viable starter against Cincinnati. Let's pick this game. The ravens are three and a half point favorites. Coming off the bye at home. I think Baltimore wins and covers how about you. Yes. I would I would are we allowed to wait until we know the quarterback is no fun. You how about you? How about you? Now, it's a boy, I guess our defense. I. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Bengals just because the quarterback situation. All right. Let's tighten up and gosar day. When I'm taking the ravens the ravens as well. Tighten up and go to Indianapolis where they play the colts titans to and you know, mung starters in this game. We feel good about Andrew luck. Jack Doyle and T Y Hilton. Mar the MAC deals healthy inside our top twenty but struggled. Strip nervous about Marlon MAC. But I still haven't just inside my top twenty a little nervous agree. But how about Marcus? Mario does this rumor we just talked about whoever starts at quarterback for the ravens? They're actually a few intriguing quarterbacks. Rumors this week, Matthew. We're going to need one with sixteen to by Marcus mariota over. What was that six teams? Cheese. Keep up math. I mean what come? It's a it's a snow day. I got kids at home. Like what I don't wanna be here. Like, what are you out for me? All right. Any other day? It's not. Kids at home this today usually at school. But otherwise, it's it's it's like any other. Okay. It's like any other. Yeah. Exactly. It was almost like it was like field is that a Passover dinner house day different from all of dinners shot at the my Jewish friends anyway field what I would say here is about who we talking about Marcus mariota. Thank you. Joe mix. We still talk about Joe mixing can get back to Lamar Jackson. Great someone explained the comedy to me. I have his Mario as a bible streamer this week. I'm starting him against secret squirrel in the league that we play in where secret squirrel like try to block all the quarterbacks for me. You think about Marcus mariota who's had back to back games of at least twenty two fantasy points into the eye. Test is played better. Honestly, legitimately has played better. It's a decent match up here against a colts team that it's allowing opponents to complete passes at the second highest rate in the NFL they blitz less than anyone. They create pressure to bottom ten rate. So you're thinking about a clean pocket here. I yeah. I think Marcus mariota with his legs in a game in which I expect the colts field the score. I think Marcus Mario projections around sixteen. I like the over there. I'd probably project him somewhere around eighteen points. I do think he's a viable streamer this week only one player. Deandre Hopkins has a greater target's share this season. Then Corey Davis. He had his best game. Perhaps a pro last week against the patriots. And Mike overview this cult secondary might be. Better than you realize Matthew, but we still have Corey Davis as top twenty to twenty five play. Yeah. I mean, again, the targets share is just unreal. I I mean, so I mean he's to your point deandre Hopkins. The only guy with a with more of more targets, right? And so you think about this colts team in terms of deep ball completion percentage against their second highest. They are they give the seventh highest touchdown completion percentage in terms of like so you throw deep like you can throw deep here on the on the colts here. And so, you know, again is the staff that I just gave with Marcus mariota giving up the second highest completion rate in the NFL the colts are and so given the volume there the talent of Corey Davis. And the fact that I think they're going to have to throw to move the ball against Indianapolis. I do like Corey Davis in this. When I am as a top twenty play. He comes at nineteen for me. After the Thursday night game, we need to nickname the show for the week. The fantasy focus football slash Eric Ibran podcast. He's been a point of discussion every single day we all have him. I mean, you're the lowest on him thirteen Matthews to both have them in the top ten all of us have Jack Doyle ranked over Eric E, Bryan. If I told you that Eric Abraham played the same number of snaps as MO alley Cox last week. And I gave you three options is MO alley. Cox a linebacker for the Jaguars. Right. A core special teams player for the cardinals or tight end for the colts. I think a lot of people might not realize that the answer is option. C tight end who made history helped the coals make history when they had three touchdown passes to three different titans. Mo alley. Cox and the same number of snaps last week so weird because I I was about to say, I I thought mo- alley Cox was a basis in one of Daniel's crappy bands. You've never heard of I should have given a fourth option. I thought he was a bouncer at one of the bars that might crappy band you've never heard of plane that caller thinks he's a chef in New Orleans, which also that could absolutely be. There's a lot of things. Cox could be right. Mo alley. Cox. Feels like he could also be he could also be like a third rate wrestler, like not not WWE. But like one of those what are some of those small obscure wrestling. I feel like you're the big wrestling guy. New India in regulating Cudi be. Yeah. Sounds like he could be like one of those wrestlers. That's like on the Indy circuit that for sure. Yeah. Yeah. As you were pretty good money. But anyways. Cox was though is he was a really good power, Florida VCU. Yes. He was VC Rams. He could obscure obscure Timour trivia way back in the day. My father used to be a professor at VCU. How about that Commonwealth moving along? I lived in Richmond Virginia two years. The reason why I brought up Beckham minuting twelve twenty. That's why bring up MO alley Kocsis to point out that air Hebron is really not playing sounds like a detective Kate. Matthew enough Moily Cox play the same number snaps. Eric E Brown, which is reason to note that like Eric LeBron's scoring three touchdowns last week fluke was quite fluky. We all stars defeated me in the war room league so upset. Yeah. Okay. Any event we all still view air run is a viable peace and fantasy football. We just want to caution. You like he goes for three catches and twenty two yards on Sunday. Like might be kind of what you signed up for this game. His he is the definition of touched on dependent titan as long as Jack Doyle. And for what it's worth the titans have been the best team in defending opposing tight end throughout the season. The culture two and a half point favorites here. I'm taking indi who you got Matthew the colts are two and a half point favorites. That is what he said give me the colts. Daniel I'm taking the colts. All righty tighten up. Now. I think goes has titans. We're going to quickly note that Joe mixing was out there at practice on Friday. So we'll see I mean, I think there's put it this way still monitor this as we get closer to three right? It's through. So just keep in mind that is walk through. We'll keep an eye on this one as we get closer to Sunday. The Panthers go to Detroit to play by the way before we move on real quickly. Just because of this. Come up, so Catherine Terrel at cat underscore Terrel on E on on the Twitter. Who's our Bengals reporter does a great job for us? Just tweeted out there more. Sorry, Joe mixing participating also amazing. Credible. I know that's literally just literally what just happened. Oh my God. And that our world we say something, and then Matthew repeats it. As if it's news minute later. And I would just like to point out to field define ah. That's how you do a joke. That's how you do a joke. See the thing is we didn't know his comedy. Because that's actually, you know. That's that's how you because Alina to it. It's not funny if you lean into it if you do it with a, wink, it's not funny problems. I was laughing at you in that. Now. Interesting. Not with you in any event moving along here Panthers. Detroit to play the lions Daniel. You're lions your beloved lions. Correct term for the starters in this game. Cam Newton Christian McCaffrey, Greg Olsen and carry on Johnson who has been brilliant of late for the lions. Hey before we move on. I just wanna say I feel like Cam Newton Christian McCaffrey. Greg Olsen and carry on Johnson. It's been brilliant for the lions all it's now. Not funny disagree. There's a legitimate question. Today surrounding Marvin Jones the lions wide receiver who's miss practice, two straight days. That's right. Because of a knee issue injured late in the third quarter last week and Adam Schefter reported after last week's game that even though imaging showed ACL MC L to be intact because they did fear potentially serious injury. When it happened that he did suffer bone bruise, which is not an uncommon injury. When you have that type of mechanism and they labeled him his day to day. I will say bone bruises are tough when it pain swelling indicates there's a little bit of bleeding on the bone. So for him to potentially be available week later. Who'd really surprise me. The fact that he hasn't practice so far I think is an indicator that he is not likely to play, of course, Detroit showing no cards and not even willing to suggest that he might not be available. So watch the Friday practice reports, but I would lean especially because lines play on Thursday. Again for thanksgiving. So I would lean towards Marvin John's potentially not playing this weekend. Keeping on that one. And probably means much more of Kenny golladay Matthew does this raise the value for Kenny goat is do anything to it whatsoever. Or is Kenny golladay just locked into where he is whether Jones plays or not, I look I think he'd get more targets, which I think would be good. I mean, one of the issues with golladay when that he sort of had this. This quiet stretch was his lack of targets. Right. And so you know, we saw we saw nice bounceback game last week. But prior to that game it had been kind of a very dry stretch there for Kenny golladay. And so in a match up with the Carolina Panthers that the second worst red defense. Second worst red zone defense in the NFL. You know, for me, I think is is pretty interesting. They're twenty fifth against the pass over the last four weeks. Kenny golladay who at the moment is my number twenty wide receiver. He would move up. You know, he would move up couple. Slots Jones does not play would. Yeah. Would move into must our territory moving the opposite way right now is Devin funchess. He still inside our top thirty. But we think it's possible that Darius slay shadows math. He's been badly. He just has not been productive for the Panthers. When he needs to be not just because he is their number one wide receiver. But he's just weeks away from months away from becoming a free agent. Yeah. And you know, one of the concerns on funches, I feel like is target share. Right. So since week eight he's getting sixteen percent target chair field which is significantly down from what he was doing weeks one through seven and what has happened. What's the difference between weeks eight through ten it's like well this couple of things right? So obviously Greg Olsen is back but beyond that Curtis. Samuel DJ. More started become much more involved in this offense. And so neither in a significant way where you're suddenly considering starting Jay more Curtis Samuel in any anything other than a very deep league. Right. But enough that they're both sort of pecking away at Devin funchess's targets here. So you add that along with Greg Olsen along with touchdown machine, Christian, McCaffrey. And suddenly Devin funchess becomes you know, very kind of shaky wide receiver three comes in a wide receiver twenty-seven for me. You mentioned the Darius lake shadow as well. That's a concern. He made my hate list this week he comes in under his ESPN projection here. So. Sadly, I've to start them in league because I got no better options. But I'm nervous about Devin funchess on Sunday. The Panthers three and a half point favorites on the road. I'm gonna go the Panthers though as much as I hate to do that to you. Daniel sorry, buddy. That's all right. I totally understand. I'm going to take the Detroit Lions because when you practice in the cold. What was that about? Endure stadium this in the snow. I don't understand that. What was that? They ask. Patricia. He spoke to reporters about it. And I if this is part of the reasoning I'm on board and part of it is that you know, it's tough on your body to practice on indoor and we've talked about Detroit stadium before. And how that that that turf has been tough on running backs over the years. And so if it was really to give them a break sort of change the surface, they were practising on to give them a break from practicing doors, and they were in full pads. I'm okay with it. I'll just say that was a great answer. Daniel I will just say this. I don't know if he knew that I was asking him. It is Detroit Lions information, and you don't need to know it. Well done that is well God. The can I explain that joke to you. Joe just with her mother said that about Matthew staff, or that's that's why that's funny parodying that in this particular game. I am going to take. Take the Panthers and not feel good about it used to find you. I took the Panthers. All righty moving along to falcons in Cowboys amongst the I took the Panthers amongst the starters in this game. Of course, Zeke Elliott Amari Cooper after three weeks after coming to Dallas. He's really established himself as the clear cut number one wide receiver. They're Julio Jones Tevin Coleman. Matt Ryan, of course as well. But really the question Mark here is Dak Prescott is he the ultimate streaming option of the week. Matthew, Atlanta, a member remember since week two? They have allowed at least interpassing yards or three touchdowns in every three passage down every single game quarterbacks have feasted on Atlanta. They really have a field, you know, giving up at least three hundred yards or three passing touchdowns in air. You see this is what I do. I beat a dead horse into the ground. That's what I'm gonna do. That's. That is what I do know dance. Your question feel the here. I do like that Preska quite a bit as a streaming option here. He he meant he was in the in the loveliest this week. Six six or more carries and four of his last five games. So they're using a more on the ground and that's good because the falcons allow the third most quarterback rushing yards per game overall. This defense has struggled since week two. They are allowing over twenty-six fantasy points per game two opposing quarterbacks twenty six the lowering opponents to complete seventy percent of the passes. So far this season the third they give the third most passing yards per game. And so- Dak Prescott who since Amari Cooper came to the team is completing seventy percent of his passes. Suddenly to me a good match playing really. Well is really interesting. The only thing that would give me cause for concerns to find you is offense of line. That's Tyron Smith missed Wednesday's practice because of back spasms. This has been an issue for him last year caused him to miss some time. He was back Thursday limited practice sessions. So that's positive. I think the Cowboys are hopeful that he'll be ready to go by Sunday. But I think Tyron Smith is. Always someone to watch when you're evaluating whether you're comfortable with that. Yeah. So if Smith were to miss certainly would downgrade doc because we just we saw how much he struggled last year without Tyron Smith. That's that's offense of line that has struggled injuries throughout the year. It made a decided difference that much is for sure the other side of the equation for Lanta couple of players. I think Austin Hooper needs to be considered start people may not realize that he's got three games in his last five with at least nine catches. But the more tricky Atlanta falcon to evaluate right now is Calvin Ridley Calvin relief has been red hot. If you look at the composite numbers for the right? I mean, seven touchdowns is great for rookie wide receiver. The problem is they came in bunches and they came awhile ago. Matthew, you feel like he's a little bit. If he going into this week. I'm nervous. I mean, honestly in terms of Calvin readily, we think about that that game against the saints in week three, right? One hundred forty six yard breakout game since that game. He's averaging under fifty receiving yards a game. He has just a thirteen percent target share since. Week four that's eighty ninth in the NFL and he's had under fifty five receiving yards in five of those six games. So he's been he's become very touchdown dependent. He's not getting tremendous target chair. Here's become much more touched on dependent. They've actually gotten Julio into the end zone here. And so and we and as we talked about here Austin Hooper starting to come on more and more. And so as we see the falcons passing game come more into focus, right? And obviously always got most new they're not less news to find him. But mo- sununu. Yep. Scales? I hear I believe Calvin. Ridley Cowburn really is a touchdown dependent kind of Dr throw there. I mean, look we expect a lot of points to be scored in this game, obviously. But. Yeah. Given his target chairman the over under his forty eight here he comes in at wide receiver thirty seven for me field. I'm I'm nervous about that target share and the lack of all in for him Calkins are at home this game kind of reminds me of last night's game between the Seahawks and the Packers. And that you could stick a fork in one of these teams that they do not win this game. Maybe the Cowboys less. Oh because of the division they play in thousand three and a half point favorites. I got the falcons winning covering how about you. Matthew. God, I hope so I really hope. So as a you know, somebody who is a Redskins fan is anti cowboy. Dallas to cover Atlanta wins. But I think douse covers. I think it's close. I'm taking the falcons. Okay. There you go. 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The Vikings are the team they play on Sunday night in Chicago, of course, as Sunday night football here, the starters, eight fully healthy Fogo in the Vikings word dalvin cook, Stefan dings, and if he's healthy Adam feeling butts defined you perhaps the injury story of the week is Adam feeling who has been limited. This is really this some to keep your eye on because he shows up on the Thursday report. Again, we don't like that. As limited. He actually was on there on Wednesday. You come out of the bye week. This is what I really didn't. Like is that the Vikings were on a by last week? And then you come out of the bye. And you have the calf issue on the report. And I would note that is being with Courtney Cronin who covers the Vikings fresh. She's mazing we were talking about the fact that during the last game. Vikings played feeling was seen getting some treatment for that calf during the game. So something that potentially cropped up there. But here we are after the bye week with it still being enough of a problem limited in practice and caused him to be on the report. Plus the addition of a back issue. So the definitely not one hundred percent his tough guy. We suspect he'll try and play through it. But it certainly it's a little bit of cause for worry. As to how much is this gonna fix him during the game, which is almost more of a challenge for you as fancy fantasy player than if he if you knew he wasn't gonna player, not if Adam Phelan's active, I think you have to start him. That's obviously the feeling it's just one of those things in the back of your mind. Like, oh, please. I hope he's really healthy enough to be out is that obviously the feeling or obviously the Phelan, but Matthew was on a bender right now. I don't feel any big question. Mark eggnog merry Christmas. Purely on that doesn't matter what you had too much trip to fan before thanksgiving even began. Maybe sometimes you make quarterback are most of the time of your streaming quarterback because you're replacing your normal starter. Sometimes you do. So because you don't like your current starters matchup, and Matthew I don't know that I'll be wanting to start Kirk cousins this week against a very good bears defense. Well, you just heard so his pass catchers are banged up here. So you don't love that. You certainly don't like this matchup against the bears defense, and we've talked about this a little bit. I mean cousins makes my hate list. And so we talked about yesterday podcast, but not everyone listens to every single podcast. Right. Since the beginning of last year. The Chicago Bears have had thirteen different home games on Vic Fangio their their offense coordinator, he's been there for longer. But just. Under Fangio last thirteen home games. Going back to the star last year. They've just fifteen touched on passes thirteen games. Fifteen touchdown pass than thirteen home game. Since the start last year. There are top ten defense in terms of touched on percentage and sack percentage win at home over the last two years again, you think about Kirk cousins who since week five is the number twenty one quarterback and fantasy. You know, he hasn't. He hasn't been great from a fantasy perspective we expect Dow cooked to be a full go here. And so on the road and a tough divisional match up. Don't you see a little more, you know, a much more balanced offense here. Now, you've got banged up pass catchers and a tough match-up boil boy. Yeah, I Kirk cousins make the hate list. I'm taking the under on his projection here. You know, he's my number sixteen quarterback for the week. And that's after Wilson and Rogers have been removed from the rank are we underselling Mitch Trubisky doesn't even crack the consensus top ten after a ridiculous six game stretch. And that was after the six touchdown game. He had against Tampa. We talked about this. I mean, this was this is sort of crazy throw the the six on game against heavy came in week four. Okay. And throw that out. You're like adds a fluke. It's Tampa Bay done count on counter. Okay. Starting in week five from week five on on a points per game basis. No quarterback and fantasy football has been better than Mitchell Trubisky. Yeah, he's been nothing short than. Yeah. Why not is my question. I have a ten I'm the highest of us three higher. I think for me the concern is Vikings defense right into form and being much better of late. Yeah. I mean only twice this season has a quarterback thrown multiple touchdown passes against the Vikings only twice Jared Goff. And Carson Wentz is Mitchell Trubisky in that realm. He might be. But I don't think. So I mean, I don't think he's there. I certainly don't think he's there from an NFL quarterback. Stan but differs in rushing, right? Rushing. And that's that's that's the argument there. So you know Vikings to allow a touchdown pass on a legal two point four percent pass attempts since week five their defense has been so good. So it's just how much rushing do you get a Trubisky, and that's what you're really banking on here. Look, I have MS a high end QB to I'm a few spots below you field, but I have outside my top ten because of the concern with a match up here looking forward to the low scoring game. Just in general who wins this game? The bears are two and a half point favorites. I think the Vikings pull the upset here. How about you? Bikings coming off of a bye. But the games in Chicago. Come back. Okay. I'm gonna go with the Vikings to it's strange strain. I'm taking the bears I'm buying on Mitchell Trubisky. Yeah. What bear up for me? I'm gonna take the bears. They're at home on Sunday night prime time game. Or that home on Thursday next. No, they're not playing in Detroit Detroit Lions who just practice outside in the snow have three straight home games in a dome. Yes. Three games. How great was you feel about the management over there in Detroit? Love it. Give it time. My friends give it time Texans. Go to Washington perhaps the most important game of the weekend. Here the obvious starters. Andre Hawkins you're starting. Right. But it gets more curious beyond that some of the interest of note in this game to find it include Cutie and also Chris Thompson two players on the side of the ball. Yeah. Remember KiKi kitty, how incredible he was for fantasy players when he was healthy. And then the hamstring issue has been a problem for him. Obviously with the loss will fuller and smell and turn around there. Maritimus coming in. But KiKi Cutie it looks like he will make it back and be part of that offense again. So yeah, I think you're gonna see KiKi on the field. Chris Thompson, still not practicing because of the rib injury don't expect to see him. Okay. Don't make plans for Chris Thompson, then which means more for Adrian Peterson. But let's go back to Cutie with these going to be on. The field Matthew this Redskins defense has been somewhat up and down. But they're pretty solid on the whole this year. I think the question people really asking is cuties back in this matchup. What about Mary's Thomas? What level of confidence? Do you have in him in a second game? Now, you'd expect after a full by week that he would have a larger understanding a deeper understanding of the playbook three catches on three targets for sixty one yards in his debut. She'll be expect more in his second game as a Texan. I'm cautiously optimistic about to marry Thomas in this game, Mike speculation as you see a decent amount of Josh Norman on deandre Hopkins. And obviously you're still starting down Hopkins. You're not really worried about that downgrade them a little bit here. But very quietly the Redskins about a good defense so far this year, but the twenty eighth against wide receivers over the last four weeks. So they've struggled in their secondary in Quinton dunbar's been banged up as well. And so two Marius Thomas who you know, as you mentioned has now had another full week of practice there. So it's been three weeks the trade and Bill Bryan made a. Point of saying to the press some point this week how they need to get him more involved that they'd like to see more involved. He just he caught a couple of balls against Denver in his first game there. And then he and that was early in the game. And then they sort of went away from him. And they felt like they need to involve him on the offense here five different times this season field. The Redskins have given up over seventy receiving yards to multiple players. And so they've very good run defense. I don't think Lamar Miller has a good game here. Lamar Miller made the hate list. So yeah, I do think Damaris Thomas who comes in at twenty six for me. I think he's a wide receiver three. But with some upside in this one here Cutie could be usable as well. Well, how about the Redskins pass catchers because you've got the point. Now Matthew where like run the gamut any position which Redskins pass catcher. Do you trust the most? I mean, I guess it depends on what you're asking me. Right. In terms of let me here's what I mean. But sounds like he's asking you which Redskins pass catcher. Do you trust the most? I'd like to write. So by the way, that's funny because that's exactly in just he didn't answer. My question. It's ironic. Right. Yeah. That's the that's the funny part of it. Because he took what I said literally instead of what I meant. And so that was and he did it all dried and lean into it. He just sorta job secret, squirrel. That was well done. Appreciate that. Anyway. So in terms of I just need seven points just need eight points starting it's MAURICE Harris. Right. I believe I believe the volume will be there for MAURICE Harris who you know, has fifteen catches seventeen targets over the last two weeks. Over the last two weeks is a good staff thirsty. Kyle twenty three point four percent of his routes have resulted in reception. This is more for the last two weeks. Why receivers with a higher rate the under Hopkins? Michael Thomas Allen, that's it assuming they've run at least twenty five routes in the last two weeks. So I mean, so when he's running they're throwing it to them. So I think the volume is there for MAURICE Harris. I don't know the big play is I don't know scoring this early is Josh Dotson. Meanwhile, by the way, as scored a touch on the two straight games he's gotten over five targets game over his last five here in Houston. Somebody that's given up a bunch of deep passes. So if they're going to Chuck at deeping, Josh Datsun two they would try to get get going deep. So if I need a bigger play if any swing for the fences more Dotson over Harris by just need some level production Harris would be the guy. All right are low end options. Obviously, I don't have a ton of confidence in the Redskins offense as a whole playing them more out of necessity than desire this weekend. Really every weekend on us. That's what our fans do with us. They play are necessity. Not necessarily desire. The Redskin two and a half one hundred odds, I have this. Correct. Two and a half one hundred dollars. So the Texans are favored Texans win. How about you guys winning cover? Texans handle the Redskins hail victory. They're getting two and a half points in their at home. My six and the Redskins Redskins hail victory. Texans. Everyone thinks everyone taking the Texans. Redskins quick break and come right back and talk about an important game. In some ways. 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I don't t anyone up when you land a good joke. Everyone else just keeps coming back with it. Because it's kind of you know, what I mean? Yeah. It writes it self you don't need to to write it. All right. Let's get back to the games and the raiders traveled to Arizona to play the cardinals. Yeah. I know we're all sitting there thinking the same thing. The only player that we feel like as must start in this game is David Johnson. Larry FitzGerald kinda right there as well. Get back to fits in a second. But Jordy Nelson's banged up defined which means like they might call. Matthew Arctic catch passes by Sunday. I mean, he hasn't practice Wednesday or Thursday because of a knee issue and even. I'm not laughing at joy Nelson's injury. Just to be clear, I'm laughing at Matthew not paying attention waiting for him to say, hey, Jordan, Nelson might not play in this game. So, you know, I'm talking I'm talking to secret, squirrel. Okay. We're doing some show stuff. Just say, you know, joy Nelson banged up might not play. So we're talking about who LT might right? Attention. You know, we're talking about like. I'm just curious to see sometimes Matthew they give players veteran rest as but sometimes they list, and then it says not injury related but indoor Nelson's case, it's his knee, and he doesn't practice? So it's actually injury. Feels like Matthew the best option for the raiders offense is actually Jared Kokomo pass catchers. Now, we're going to about. Jared cook and talk about them positively nine targets last week, which was nice it seem like sort of gone away from a little bit here. So it was nice sort of see that involvement. I don't know how much more can you say about Jared cook? I mean, they they the Zona defense gives up a completion percentage at the seventh highest rate in the NFL. It's a secondary. That is that certainly struggled so far. They are they actually believe it or not they are the seven most fantasy points to opposing tight ends as well. So I think Jared cook if you're looking for an option this passing game Jared could be the choice and given the dearth of options at the tight imposition. Cook comes in for me at five we see both cardinal of raiders running backs as flex options. So, but for Aaron we talked about fits you got to be pretty confident him you like the way that he has been utilized over the past couple of weeks with Byron left, which as the offensive coordinator Rickey seals Jones, though might be tight end filling option this week Matthew over the last two week. I'm sorry since Byron left which took over week eight. Yep. Ricky seals. Jones leads all tight ends and routes run per game. So talked about this the the other day as well. Eight different tight ends of scored at least eight fantasy points against the raiders this season. They allow seven post fantasy points to opposing titans so far. I mean, you know, so actually I made it now that I realize I read my stat wrong because I said I said it when I was talking about Jared cook I said the cardinals give the seven fantasy points per game. It's actually the raiders got my notes for this game. Here. Cardinals also struggle against tight ends. You're starting Jared cook. But I do think Rick Jones has some streamer appeal as well because the raiders really struggle against opposing titans. The cardinals with three and a half point favorites. What a difficult game depict, but I'll still go with Arizona in this one. How about you guys? Cardinals for me. I will take the cardinals as well. I will also take the cardinals and just worth noting that I think if you're looking for a stream defense as you sit here and say like, I don't wanna start the Rams this week against Kansas City. I don't I've got the pay. Yeah. The cardinals. I think are the number one streaming defense this week against their car in the raiders, certainly like that matchup myself the giants host of buccaneers this Sunday. The giants are favored into game here. The obvious starters. Mike Evans, Oto Beckham junior's take one Barkley and OJ Howard tight end. But an injury amongst bucks wide receiver could actually have a trickle down the impacts other starters to Chris Godwin, no participation on Thursday. He appeared to be injured injured Zakel near the very end of last week's game did not practice Wednesday or Thursday. Obviously Friday the big day to tell but he put season-high told of one hundred and three yards last week. You wonder if that didn't take a little bit of a toll on him? He's been fantastic some weeks. As as as a flex wide receiver option. But you may not have them this week Matthew in the event, the Godwin sits is there. Somebody who thinks directly benefits the most. I think Sean Jackson with sort of the obvious answer here. I mean, so Sean Jackson who has at least eight targets and for the last six, and you think about the, you know, you think. You know, you think about the giant secondary here, which is sort of been up and down, right? And got rid of Eli. Apple here giants are actually twenty four th against the pass over the last four weeks. I mean, so, you know, their their bottom eight pass defense in the last month year, and so Sean Jackson who is fast as anyone in the NFL. I mean, maybe tyreek hill is faster. Right. I mean, I don't know. It's a very short list of. Yeah. I pay money for those guys to Ryan at line sprint. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, so I think if Chris Godwin were out you'd have Evans, you have OJ Howard here. But it's still a team that has struggled to run the ball consistently. So I think Sean Jackson was only move significantly up in the ranks if God were to miss. We all have Ryan. It's magic is a top eight play. But the quarterback that's interesting. This week is Eli manning. The bucks are the gift that continues to give defensively against opposing quarterbacks is Eli manning streaming option for you because I've got him at fifteenth, Tampa Bay's allowing components to complete. A league high seventy three point six percent of passes this season. And although ally has been bad in a lot of ways he has at least been accurate as pertain to completion percentage. Like, I'm not saying it's the most difficult throws. But he's completing sixty seven point six percent of his passes. He's got the weapons like I think it's possible. If you're looking for fifteen sixteen points from your quarterback this week the Eli manning could deliver especially after probably building a little bit of confidence as past Monday night when he threw three touchdowns in that win over San Francisco. He certainly did. And you know, pick a stat any stat and the buccaneers are pretty much at the bottom of when it comes to pass the fence, right? I mean, they allow league-high two point six passing touchdowns per game. I mean they wanna reception on the season. The Tammy buccaneers have won three hundred eighteen passes have been thrown against them. Only one has picked off one and three. I mean, right. So I mean, anyway, the, you know, the buccaneers who right? Are are like, you know, one of the worst pass defense in the NFL. I we'll say they have been better as of as of late, but they're still it's it's still a struggle. Look, it's ally. But I do think he is a viable streamer. I ranked him this week, which is something. I don't really do. He is one of the many quarterbacks that secrets world has squirrelled away in our league actually dropped Eli manning for the mar Jackson. So you in that league? Yeah. I I've dropped an added everybody. So that you can't pick any other. Ally. Manning and the giants are favored by one half point. In other words, coin flip I will go with the giants in this one at home. How about you? I'm just going to give it to the giants because his home failed. You know what I think the buccaneers win. There's gonna be a big I've gone the opposite of you guys on almost every pick. So I'm either going to have a huge lead or like be way behind. I I'm also going to take the giants. Okay. Dan giants well more game here. And this is a match up. People would have loved to have seen in the playoffs last year. It almost happened. The eagles in the saints eagles going to New Orleans. Eagles are reeling. A little bit right now. Here the starters in this game, basically every player on New Orleans breeze. Kamera Ingram who's a contentious top twenty play for us this weekend. Of course, Mike Thomas Carson Wentz out Sean Jeffrey Zach ertz for the eagles. I think the two players that are most asked about or will be most asked about going into this game. As I golden Tate. Golden Tate had two catches on four targets in his debut last week four Philadelphia against Dallas now head coach Doug Peterson has said, hey, we are far he as far more familiar with us. And we're more familiar with him, basically that I think we do expect to see more work from golden Tate this week Matthew, which is I think why we have them inside our top thirty amongst wide receivers. Yeah. I mean. Listen, I I'm I'm still a little bit nervous on Tate. Look if you want to hang your hat on something here. Right. The saints are allowing the six most yards per slot completion. Okay. So I mean, it is a it is favorable matchup. We expect this to be a very high scoring game the over under in this one is fifty five weeks. Pecked Carson Wentz to have to throw a ton. I think you're you were you were encouraged by the fact that half of golden Tate's routes from last week's game and his eagles debut came from the slot. Yep. So so yeah, I mean look at twenty nine here. I mean, you know, we still haven't seen it as an ego right to catch on four targets last week. And this is a very much up in the air proclamation having golden at the top thirty. It's the reason for doing. So is talented player. The eagles are intending to utilize more in a very good match against the saints. Could he get you five catches for fifty yards? That's your hopeful hack. You're hopeful for much more. Than that to be candid the eagles have running back and Josh Adams that we want to really like in math. You actually do really like him this week, despite the fact that they face perhaps the best one divas and football. Yeah. And look I will I be candid on this. This is this is to fold number one. It's just it's just watching the tape. I think he's the most talented running back on that team. Okay. Legitimately do. He's had a twenty yard rushing. Each of his past two games averaging five point seven yards per carry. So far, by the way since week five window Smallwood, Corey climent, averaging two point seven nights yard two point seven five. Something like that. Right. So Josh Adams who Doug Peterson made a point of pointing out after last week's lost. The Cowboys is somebody they need to get involved. More again with a total of fifty five and we expected very high scoring game. This. This ranking is I think Josh Adams Walston the end zone. Okay. That's what I think he scores in this game. I think there's at least one rushing touchdown on the eagles side in this game. And I think it goes to Josh Adams. All right. I've got little confidence in Joshua Adams this week. But a talented player we just hope they game flow actually allows them to get those yards because the saints are eight and a half point favorites and actually taking New Orleans to continue to steal they've been so good. And it's just so good. A little bit off with Philly this year, they're in the dome. Yeah. Take the saints. Yeah. Gimme the saints who DAT DAT. I'm taking the saints. There you go. Did you know that sixty six percent of men lose their hair by age thirty five sometimes it happens by the age of twenty five you know, what I take that back. Actually, I didn't realize it was eight and a half. I'm looking at this again. Sorry. I was looking at something else. Real quickly. I'm taking eagles was that something else having specifically to pertain to this show that you're. Totally different thing different. I was I was looking at all the quarterbacks on your team. That's fair understand that match up here. You know, I played Marquez Val. I saw that point. I was going to say it. 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Philip Lindsay Melvin Gordon and Keenan Allen. But that of course is assuming Keenan Allen plays on Sundays to after. He was added to the injure report on Thursday. And again, the Thursday ad you don't like it doesn't like it to body parts listed there. Hip and finger. Also like that. No. You don't buy you need look. I'm no medical expert. I'm no define about brag here, but hip and a finger you need those to play professional football. Am I right? Right. You need one of them running lot played without a finger pointing it is. And and good point great greater all right Famer. Right. So so you can and Allen to wimp is that. An hour because we did not say he wouldn't play. But we said to be on the lookout because Friday practice, obviously, very important. Little bit surprised down. Chargers. Mini for him being the late add limited practice on Thursday. But again keen announced guy who wants to prove that he can play after he did. So last season following a CFO. So if he can be out there he will. But stay tuned. Interesting here field that even if he look if you if he's active you're starting season-long, but it somebody that might be thinking about him in daily, look he'll be matched up against Chris Harris, he has struggled against Chris Harris in the past, you know, one of the best fought corners in the NFL. And so if you're sitting here, you know, Keenan, Allen's not even a hundred percent and tough match-up here. Someone may be to to avoid or certainly lower expectations for him. As you're setting align. Think differently for your foundation pieces of your daily fantasy lineup. But there's some other questions in this game on the Denver offense. We do expect Royce Freeman to return, but even when Roche Friedman was playing. It was pretty clear that Philip Lindsey was the man in that backfield. Here's where I think people are going to be asking about Denver, though, is courtroom Sutton member two weeks ago he made his debut as the number two receiver endeavor nothing. Number three, the production wasn't amazing. But we still have some hope for this player. Like, I don't think that one game should dissuade people from not utilizing courtrooms who've got like a low end wide receiver three or a, you know in a deeper league pretty strong flex consideration. Yeah. I mean, I'm nervous a little bit about him in this particular game. Just because I expect a shadow from Casey Hayward who's been been played pretty well this year, you think about the chargers just as defense right there. The third best defense against wide receivers over the last four weeks. They've allowed the seventh lowest touched on percentage on deep passes which has been a big part of Sutton's game to date so far this year. Six highest interception rate this season. I think it's tough to pass the chargers and Mike spectators. I think you see a heavy workload from the run. The game here in Denver trying to keep the charges offense off the field. And so I think you see a lot of Philip Lindsay. And with Royce Freeman back, they can sort of pound the rock here. So I would lower expectations for. Support your cause by saying I think the chargers get Joey Bosa back this week too. And. Powell's to find your bell, brilliant and loveliest define you. I wouldn't be surprised if he is you know, they sort of moderate what he does he's been gone for so long with the foot issue with there's no way to say for sure that it's one hundred percent behind him. But I think you're going to see him on the field. That would be awesome. One of the best players football could potentially return for the chargers. This sunday. The chargers, of course favored in this game. They're seven and a half points favorites at home. The chargers have this penchant for making things difficult on themselves. Maybe this is the year things are different. And because of that reason I'm going with the chargers. Matthew, I am to bolt up both up. Okay. Go Jaya's go and not allowed to do that. Because it does you know, Matthew. No, I am. 'cause y'all. Joe because I won the hand. I won the bet because I won the bet then he that's how best to Kyle divine. You got the chargers. I am taking the chargers. All right. A couple of games left. Here. We begin in Jacksonville. Go there. I change it. The Steelers go to Jacksonville to try to avenge a couple of losses to the Jaguars last season on the starting front. There are a lot of players Antonio Brown's you just miss Schuster James Connor Leonard fournette as well for the Jags to find you just put people at easier James Connor because that can cut. It has not limited his participation this week now full participation so far again you like to see back toback days yesterday. We said it was encouraging that he was out there. Full go on the first day of documented injury reports. But back to back you like it even better. I think it's really interesting this week Matthew that the Ben on on the road thing is going to be a topic of conversation, but Ben's been better on the road this year and. Quite feel like the same Jaguars defensive old. I would agree with both statements there. I don't think road Benza thing anymore. I genuinely don't and so and the Jaguars defense. I'm not convinced the Jaguar thief is the thing this year either. All that said there's still a good defense while they may not be Saxon Ville anymore. There's still a good defense. They're gonna get AJ. Boy back this weekend. That'll help the secondary. Mike mctavish is finding that. Boy. Is it will return looks good? Yeah. Look that way that way as for all thank you. And so for all their other struggles guys this year, the the Jaguars still rank second and pressure created, right? And you think about Ben Rothlisberger and how he's done against pressure. So far this year two touchdowns in foreign exceptions. He's twenty-second passer rating. So you know, I do think Jacksonville tries to bring the heat here. A little bit game is in Jacksonville here. I Big Ben just outside my top ten. Yeah. He has been red hot this year. I think just like you kind of answered that question already. But. If you had a better option, you might be considering a streamer for the Jaguars defense this season. They have had some brilliant moments, and they're still really good in a lot of ways. But they have just not been nearly the same defense this year as they were last season and teams are averaging minus point two points defenses. Are when facing the Steelers this year that right? They're kinda tells you everything you need. Yeah. Yeah. I mean dealers five and a half point favorites here too. Big line Steelers go down there and win though. I'm concerned about this Jaguar steam as as well. You should be. Yeah. I mean Steelers are playing great ball in the Jaguars three and six. I mean, that's I wanna say this is their season. Boy, five and a half. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go the Steelers. Von you Steelers already. I'm taking the Steelers. All right Steelers are the clean sweep here. And of course, the most anticipated game not just of the weekend. But perhaps the season right here on ESPN Monday night football, featuring the Rams and chiefs. We are company men. But here's the great thing. Here's my fantasy is pretty for my intense in-depth hardcore fantasy now ready for. Yeah. Start. Everyone started everybody. There you go America everybody, and the Rams basically every single player of able to find you the only one I wanna clinic for an injury front. Sammy Watkins is the okay, I think he will be now they we only have the one day because it's Monday game. But we saw him banged up and out there playing regardless and I think you you might potentially see him again, he has a foot issue that kept him so limited practice, but as of right now, I'm not nervous if something changes obviously watch through Saturday. All right. Keep an eye on that one through Saturday. But it does feel like saying walking's is going to play on Monday night. The only people I wouldn't wanna play from this game are the two respective defenses. But Patrick Mahomes legitimate MVP front runner right now tyreek hill number two wide receiver in terms of scoring this year Todd Gurley the leading score. In all fantasy football. It's going to be a great game. Real intrigue here. I think is not which players you're playing, but who ends up winning this game or anything else. You wanna be labor fantasy wise like play them all be grateful play ball. It's I believe they're so Kareem hunt. Tyreek hill Patrick Mahomes Todd Gurley in Harrison Butger are all five at their positions. And then you add woods and cooks both top ten both top ten Hooper cubs. Eighteen out for the season. But go into this week, you know points per game basis. He'd be makings, probably borderline. They're just do it. Yeah. And so I mean, it's nothing short of just ridiculous here something to watch out for and we talked about this on the fantasy shown ESPN plus Todd Gurley currently tied with deigning Tomlinson for ten straight games of nineteen or more fantasy points. That's that's an NFL record of inner propensity. And so if he gets to nineteen fantasy points in this one Todd Gurley he would hold that record by himself. Girly and. Mahomes is on pace for the most fantasy points ever in any season any player he is currently currently Peyton Manning in two thousand thirteen the fifth season. I forgot about the fact that Sammy Watkins this game is originally scheduled to be Mexico City. Obviously changed the location because the field conditions there. It's going to be played in Los Angeles. I sort of forgot about Sammy Watkins is going back to LA face Rams where he was before. So. Prevents. There's any more incentive for Watkins, obviously was held out last week. But I think if there's any more incentive, I think I could see them setting up a try to set up a nice play for him out there in Los Angeles. And by the way, just want to give a quick shout out to the Rams who are donating so many tickets for this game to first responders dealing with wildfires in California, so greatly. Appreciate that taking advantage of the fact that it moved to do that cannot wait for this game on Monday night. Again, we've got the Rams is two and a half point favorites. I'm taking the Rams, but I have no idea to land on the Rams. It's so hard. It's hard. Yeah. Yes. The highest over under an NFL history hard. Okay. I'm gonna go with the Rams. I can't believe it Daniel hard. I'm going to take the Kansas City Chiefs. Because if you didn't take the chief Daniel, I was going to flip my pick. I wouldn't feel good about the entire show. I don't even feel great. I love. I it's going to be like whoever has the ball last game before I want to know, what is it that you guys have is your point total because with the Monday game. You gotta put in the point total is for a tiebreaker. You know what I'm flipping my pick? One of the chiefs. I'm pulling a math you I'm going to the chiefs. You are. I'm going chiefs forty five forty two I have forty one thirty seven hilarious. Look, look, just so you don't think can you see what it says there on my screen what I put in. Recall stopping. Forty five forty one. Like, I mean, right anyway, that was without you know, I put that in before you guys said anything Forty-five Rams forty five chiefs one. What do you find you? I don't know yet. I'm going to think about it. I don't think that's fair. 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Week 9 Waivers & QB Streamers, Triumvirate

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Week 9 Waivers & QB Streamers, Triumvirate

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Now, I have it on good at thority that any Mike and Jason will not be present for the Halloween show tomorrow. I don't know who you just Dion. I did. Yeah. What I how how do you Dion third person's yourself? Oh, oh, you are Andy. Okay. Mom. My mantra. Thority that Mike will be here either. I all I'm saying is we got a really special show tomorrow. And you won't be we don't. Well. Correct. Yeah. We're not going to be part handy. Doesn't Brooks will be here? Brooke Brexit, be here. Yes. GM Ahmadis dressing up as Brooks for tomorrow show. So. Excited about that. And baby Josh is going as himself. Abor baba pinky. Yes. Yes. So no change. No change waivers on the show today quarterback streamers for the upcoming week. Big time decisions to make in your lineup with all of the by weeks. I know in in a couple of important leagues of got saquon and Beckham and mixing on by Ovalles. You've got knows Akers this week. There are some big players missing. And we are going to help navigate you through those waters on the show today because that's what we do. Yes. We're very good in the water. We're like Fishman now. Jason are you present? I am. Yeah. I'm totally present. Yes, I'm here. I'm not really jumping in hoof. Well, look, I'm still trying to stop sweating from the gym. That's my concentration. I'm also looking at this hot waiver wire show and trying to make sure that I am. I mean, there's a couple of wide receivers. I'm toiling over. So I'm still I'm still mentally preparing myself for the goodness. That's come. You can't start at Dixon the wide receivers. Just watch me. Actually, I've let you that'd be fine. Yeah. I was playing you are right. Follow us on YouTube. If you wanna see the Halloween show YouTube dot com slash the fantasy football. There's subscribe click the bell, you know, and it hits tomorrow on Twitter. You can follow us at the F F ballers the websites. 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If you want to know what happened in the game. You might wanna stare at Tom. Brady's box score zero touchdowns. A very I thought he was bad for three quarters. Yeah. Compared comparatively to what we expect from Tom Brady mean to be. I know it's a division game. But your first four possessions to just the first four times you score just walk away with a field goal. Your March down the field. And then just completely get shut down in the red zone. It was no I'm gonna give credit to the bills. Sure that because there were so many passes that us I mean. There were fine to gronk to Ataman all over the field where the defender came in and got a hand in on that ball and was just making a planning to buffalo stepped up the first three quarters. Well, now that Hugh Jackson has been fired and also Todd Haley pathway, and now the Gus Gus Bradley was fired a couple of years ago. I needed I told these guys I need another really underdog kind of generally hated coach. And I think Sean McDermott Sma, man. Yeah. I said it yesterday his record matches up with what you like exactly I like a very poor record last place finishes. But here's the thing. He does find these little wrinkles to add his defense. They've they've showed up in big games. Unfortunately has no offense whatsoever. Correct. And that's what L timidly cost them in the end. They had the defensive score by the patriots because buffalo is in this game until the very end. The patriots outscored and thirteen nothing in the fourth quarter. But for fantasy purposes it was great. If you own James lider, Julian Edelman, and otherwise it was. Pretty unfortunate for you on the patriots side. And that includes rob gronkowski who was heavily targeted aid targets. But only three receptions, part of what Jason was saying with that defense that was finding away to contain him. No touchdowns. Again. It was nice that he was on the field. And then shady was just kind of the offense on the other end to to the tune of twelve carries. Oh, man, the beginning. Gary meaning yard was hilarious where the Buffalo Bills were pulling plays literally from tech mobile just doing everything they possibly could to get a spark on offense and McCoy made his fantasy. Hey in the passing game six for eighty two. I saw somebody throw him the ball more. Somebody tweeted free shady. Yes. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life all last night was freeing, shady you can't free shady he was free. And then you gave him ten people to tackle him on every play you random in the wildcat. Our know what else you can? For shady McCoy other than throw him six passes more and give him twelve carries. You you need to throw him the ball templates types on this offense. You don't get that many chances. I mean, that's that's it will have the ball enough to give him ten bl unless he's one hundred percent targets. I don't think fr free. Shady doesn't look much different than this freeing. Shady would be to send them out of town to the eagles. Yes. That's how you every him. But he did everything he could do and ultimately ten in the box doesn't work too good. You can one on Wednesday Jones all day long. But any other thoughts from this game before we move on? There was the report that Josh Gordon had been tardy at least twice as past week rumors that he was going to miss time. And he just started the game. And and Bill Belichick threw that away. However, any any small amount of smoke on Josh Gordon has to freak out a fantasy owner, certainly especially when look the Cleveland Browns traded him away because of behavior liked to. So if you here and there were reputable reporters report. Bill Belichick said whoever reported that was wrong. So you, you know, we we don't know for sure the answer. But you know, I leaned that. He probably was missing, you know, late to suppresses did not get punished for it. And. But yeah, you gotta be worried. I mean. I I have been more against Josh Gordon from the beginning this year, and the issue is he is one strike away from being done completely. He just needs that George Jetson alarm clock where he's laying down. And then it just dumps the bucket of water on his head, and then the bed tips them up and he falls right into the shower. Yeah. It does all the thing. Yeah. And also going also I need that. One for one for Josh one for Jason great idea. Like, I don't know if there's a player that's ever been teetering on the edge of relevance in fantasy. Time. But Gordon really four forty two last night still hasn't had that breakout game. So we'll see we'll see what happens with him. Let's get into the news. News and notes from around the league. We had the Hugh Jackson firing on the show. Todd. Haley was fired shortly after so and I'm fine with this. I think if the I don't know if the Browns keeping Todd Haley around was really the solution. He he was in full control of the offense thus far this year and ineffectively using Johnson not really putting Baker in a position to win and Haley's now been fired in consecutive years joining Mike McCoy, and that illustrious category is he fired last year or just let go like they just bring him back at the end of the year. Yeah. I mean that there was a years worth of controversy with him in Big, Ben. And then they chose to not renew a contract with the no see so. Yeah. If you don't want to call it fired. That's fine. But generally, oh, I don't because not being fired. It's just not being brought back. Okay. All right. And that's what I would tell my wife, if they go fired wanted to see other people in the NFL, if they're not happy with you. Or if they're happy with you. They bring you back after a season they weren't through. Yeah. And go ahead for for. I was just going to dive into the fantasy implications. What does this mean going forward? Now that you've got you've got free kitchens fever, Jason ready. Oh, turn up the heat where we should be familiar with Freddie kitchens. He's been in Arizona for two thousand seven all the way until this past season. He was a longtime tight ends coach than a quarterback coach whose quarterback coach with Carson Palmer during his great season. What was that twenty fifteen twenty sixteen moved over to running backs coach? So he's been kind of a positional coach for a long time. But he. He has not this is a this is a giant leap up. I mean to go out there to start being a play caller with no experience. I can't see this being positive for Baker Mayfield this season long-term, and he's the one in charge of grooming. Baker Mayfield that's the goal here. And he he has a good pedigree with Bill Parcells was the original person that hired him. He's worked with Zimmer. He's worked with Sporanos worked with a number of good people. But you're right. It's a it's a big move up. You know, he comes from the running backs coach position. I mean, the only thing that I'm looking at here is look this team is it's still project. Right. It's a long term project. I wanna know as a fantasy on our weather. Do Johnson's can have relevance again this year. Right. You know, players that haven't had relevance. Can we look at Duke Johnson? Can we look at Landry being used the right way? What do we see from the offense? And do you view it kind of like an zone where it's like nowhere to go, but up or do you just see it as a neutral move. I I don't see this as. Where to go, but up I think it's a neutral move. You're going to have some ups and downs because you've got talented pieces there Jarvis and Joe coup. Baker more more talented weapons, but it is crazy to think I mean, look when you have this level of midseason turnover. It's not good for. I mean, there's just no way that when you say okay three weeks ago, you know, your starting running back with Carlos hide you're starting quarterback. Or you're starting your head coach your office of coordinator everything has changed their right in middle of the season. They're still couple of weeks away from the by what about do Johnson. Mike. I think it's more same buccaneers coach Dirk cutter announced. Ryan Fitzpatrick starting in week nine fits magic is back. Yeah. Start your engines. If you own to show on Jackson, even Chris Godwin looks a little more auditing all three wide receivers from the bucks get a boost. Absolutely. This is this is going to be very busy and great week for Ryan fits. Patch is Ryan Fitzpatrick starting in two weeks. Yes, I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is probably starting in eight weeks is James Winston ever starting again. Yeah. If if it's bats are finishes the season. Then why would they Winston they won't bring them on? They won't bring them back. Ronald Jones suffered a hamstring strain. He's gonna miss a few weeks. Sean McVay said Cooper Cup most likely returns in week nine against the saints. Great news. Chris Thompson suffered a rib injury in the week eight victory and Capri bibs separate they if you own a Fred Jackson here, you are running. Well, I would watch out because if you're a running back. On the Washington Redskins over the last two seasons. Yeah. It is a minefield. I mean, it is you better be looking over your shoulder. Peterson needs to be wrapping those knees along he's already he just placed through it. One hundred down p Ryan Kelly's gone down ever every running bow not name Adrian Peterson over the last several years is gone down. So so we will question we have no trade deadline news as of this recording the deadline is in a few hours here and tomorrow show will likely have, you know, some of that information because the deadline will be have have passed, obviously. So Damaris Thomas Pierre Garcia angled and take some of the rumored names will have all that news for you know, the fantasy and it'll be up a little bit earlier tomorrow in because of the special Halloween in the fact that the three of us aren't involved the other guys are a little bit more professional, and yes, we're going to be doing the show tomorrow. So you don't wanna miss out. More connected. Certainly to the NFL. Let's get into the waivers. But me and coach. Alright it's by Pakalitha six teams on buying week nine the Bengals cardinals colts eagles giants Jags. And so you've got a lot of moves to make a lot of waiver wire implications. We're going to help you out the falcons Cowboys chargers and titans. They're all coming back off of the by those are the fourteenth you want to pay attention to as potential sneaky waiver ads because those teams run by last week. There's not a few quick if you click the old last last week, scoring sorting. You're not gonna find any falcons Cowboys charges and titans. So you may be able to sneak them off the wire. And then you got what six more teams in week eleven foreign week ten so it's time to navigate. Yup. All right. Let's start at the wide receiver position. We'll get into some of the main waiver wire pickups, I than you guys can tell me who your favorites are and how much fab you'd spend or whether you use the number one waiver priority on them. One of the names that I've, you know wanted to remember for this week was KiKi t the wide receiver for the Houston. Texans because will fuller is out for the season. Now cuties been Cutie pie. Yeah. Has been dealing with a hamstring injury. Didn't play in week eight he's probably not going to play in week nine. So how do you look at him from a waiver perspective because still worth a stash does Shawn Watson needs him. Yeah. I mean, he is worth a stash because when he comes back and in. I mean, you're going to have to hold onto him. I I wouldn't play him in week ten if he's back, but I I do believe when he's on the field this offense. They need him. He's produced at a high level with willful or being out. There's just going to be enough targets to where he's going to be very fancy relevant player when he gets on the field, but you have to be a certain type of team. You know, your your record and your bench size and who your players are in order to take a two weeks stash at the wide receiver position. So while I think he's worth picking up for a lot of teams. He certainly not a must like you don't have to clog your roster with an injured wide receiver for the next two weeks. If you don't want to and the interesting thing for him is the opportunity it has to go up with wolf fuller being out. But he's been the slot guy. He's been the short yardage guy. What what will the Texans due to replace will fuller on the outside the speed Braxton Miller get picked up? I mean, his the the guy on the actual roster would be undrafted Vincent Smith who has some speed. I'm not saying I would pick them up. I'm just throwing that name out there because kief Kiki's not playing this week if you're in a really really deep league, and there's none of these. Guys that we're talking about available. Maybe throw Smith on the back of your bench, my favorite pickup. This week is the Cortlandt Sutton ask for dim. I think this is a unanimous favorite pick. And what's ironic about bringing him up? Now, he's we don't know if to Mary Thomas or manual Sanders are going to be traded before the deadline today. So we need to talk about it from both sides. But if you look at the snap percentage, the amount of snaps Coralline Sutton is getting its slightly below Damaris Thomas kind of in the same range as Mary Thomas over the last few weeks. He is the rising star of the team. And this makes sense for Denver to go. Get something for a player that's going to be a free agent into Mary's. Thomas a big cap hit or I'm sorry. He's got one year left does. Yeah. That's I was just one year let but look he's not part of their future. No, end Cortlandt Sutton, getting more opportunity this year to develop is important and for fantasy owners, it's huge because Sutton is a touchdown monster. He is a big play monster. Her. So how do you value Sutton? How do you adjust your bidding on Sutton based on whether or not a trade happens? If a trade does happen. I'm you know, I always say ten percent of the budget is usually my cap for a wide receiver because I'm always picking different guys up. I'm looking short term. But if DT is traded, I see Cortlandt Sutton as the chance to be a wide receiver to rest of season. And if you've got a guy that you can plug in and start him weakened weak out. I'm willing to spend twenty twenty five percent of my budget on Cortlandt Sutton. But that's only you will know by you know, by that time when you have to make your bid if Damaris Thomas was traded. And if you're the Broncos, if I you know, John Elway I trade to marry Thomas for anything you offer me a fifth rounder. I would say, yes, it's good for my team to get rid of the contract and give Cortlandt Sutton, more work. We're not winning anything this year. It's it's just. Win win his contract. Just for quick context. Next year. He would be a seventeen and a half million dollar cap hit earning thirty two. You can easily argue that Thomas has lost part of his game. An or they could just cut him for a three and a half dead cap. So if they don't trade him, I would widely suspect that Thomas will be cut so trade him for whatever you can get. And if you're in a keeper league, I would I would bid up a little bit more too. Because at the end of the season Sutton could be a keeper worthy type of guy for Jay Glazer just talked about the fact that the Amari Cooper trade him going for a one has over inflated a number of the asks around the league. So right now a lot of the maybe teams are calling that the prices are too high NFL GM's Jerry Jones has already spent his first round pick. So you're saying Mary Thomas should go for Dallas second round loud and clear, although it'd be so great that'd be so great. We fixed. Looking at some other wideouts. I wanna bring up while they're several names owner bringing let's start with DJ more rookie wide out and Carolina just on the kind of on the heels of Sutton last week was his highest snaps. I believe on the Seila. Yes. Second most routes run of the of the wide receiver position. Like it. It had to do a Torrey Smith not being on the field ninety as well as it's time. It's now time to get the first round rookie wide receiver going as they make their push towards the playoffs. Their schedule is solid you fantasy wider. See you. See that coming out of a bye for the rookie. Right. Okay. We had our by week. We're pushing for with the rookie. That's a great sign yet. And now this week you get Tampa Bay. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is DJ more is absolutely in the conversations to me. It's it's ironic because I looked through and I start picking out the names of who. I would say are my primary pickup. They're all rookie wide receivers for me other than one guy. It's it's like the week. This is the week of rookie wide receiver opportunity at least and seeing if they can come through. But DJ Moore is a great pickup against Tampa Bay. And he's got elite talent. And now if the opportunities there with the match up, that's the trial. I would say the what did he say that triumphant? I think I did try I had to stop and clarify if if Mary Thomas or manual Sanders are not traded DJ more will become my favorite wide receiver pickup of the week. That's a cool word triumphant. Well, I said I kind of put an F in their accidentally v. Right. Yes. Triumvirate? No, I'm getting. But it is a good word. It's a group of three men holding power. That is like this. Oh, we're a triumvirate. We are at triumvirate of power triumphant triumvirate. Of course, we are. How interesting my band are you in. Devante Parker after six for one thirty four. I know you against the jet. You hit a hot take on Friday's show. What was my quote you were quote, you'd rather be dead than pick them up. I will not go that far. Now, I said that. But then this morning. I saw how many players add on by. Yeah. And so I might I'm I might be dead. Albert Wilson is already Persson has gone for the season with the I R. Kenny stills is still in limbo with his injury situation. Devante Parker came through for this team. I am interested. He gets to play against the jets were not worldbeaters nineteen point three average depth of targets for. Devante parker. That's you want them air yards. And you you gotta at least show some interest with with all the teams that are on by. Yes. Certainly, I agree. I you know, I'm not as hot on. Devante parker. I think there's better matchups this week. But the opportunity should be there. Sure. Hey before we jump into a couple more wide. Receivers. Wanna thank today sponsor stock act sneaker heads, listen up you ever wonder I can get the hottest new sneakers. The ones that barely hit shelves. The answer. Is stock x a revolutionary new marketplace for buying and selling one hundred percent authentic sneakers street wear watches handbags you want to get the latest easies. You wanna get some Nike SP's like me Supremes? 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He's been the guy who has been you know, on fire he's been looked to. But this is just not a match up. You know, I'm super excited about Seattle has for for all the pieces. They've lost on their defense. They've gone into gather. They've they've not been good. You know matchups for quarterbacks for wide receivers. I am not thrilled with tyrod Williams. This week. If you want to chase what he was doing right before the by. You can like I said there's a couple of rookies, I'm probably more interested in this. Yeah. In between the two tyrel is still playing about. He's in the eighty percent snap rains where Mike Williams is in that seventy two high sixties. So I'll just take the guy who has a little bit more opportunity for the offense any other favorites. Yeah. There's two other maybe two and a half other favorites. Trae on it. You're gonna add half a guy half. Af favourite. Oh, he's a he's a fav-. Yeah. Exactly. So Trump wants Smith. We talked to him full three favorites. That'd be a triumvirate. Oh, maybe I got three more. My triumph is Trey Quant Smith. He's got a high scoring match up against the Los Angeles. Rams. I think drew Brees will be able to find him. I know he only had three for eighteen this last week. But he did nothing. Drew Brees did nothing. They didn't need to they beat the Vikings. I still like trae Kwan. I also like Marquez Valdez scant Ling. I'm fine. Staying with what he's been doing with Aaron Rodgers Randall Cobb was back in the game. I assumed when that happened Valdez scheduling is going to disappear he got a nice long touchdown again. And then the other guy is Chris Godwin. Yes. Talking about Chris. I it's he's available in about half of leagues and the concern for God. When was actually that. He was just completely vanished wants James came back. But he's still got the targets. But he was an absolute touchdown machine with Ryan fits magic. So like I said the guys at the wide receiver position for Tampa. They get a bump up in opportunity with Ryan Fitzpatrick because he. He over targets the wide receiver. And this is what he's done is entire career. All right. Let's let me ask you a couple of quick are you interested? So are you interested in Christian Kirk going on the by no not right now, Brandon the foul with that ninety two percents snap percentage? I'm good. Oh Ross Robbie Anderson didn't play this past week. Maybe people forgot about him. Slights? But this it's just a stash Marquez Valdez hailing talked about him that he's he's worth whatever Hooper Cup. Mrs. Adjustment us Reynolds multi touch downs. Yeah. Three forty two and two. Do that. We didn't have a bet this week. All right running backs. Let's talk about some favorites. For me. It's, you know, at the top of my list is it's actually Josh Adams, Josh Adams that reopen my list. Okay. He is he's going on the by. And so he I think you you get a discount, right? You pick up a guy for a stash. Look it's hard to find running backs. And I trust to things when it comes to Josh Adams running back for the Philadelphia Eagles one. Then I I'm just not impressed with cork limit window Smallwood Smallwood been better Clements. Been barely used. But the things that I trust. Here are my is Josh Adams is bigger stronger and Doug Peterson has come out and said, look he he is the guy to replace mcgarry blunt in this in this rotation. He has the most obstinate he has the most unseen upside. And this is a good offense. And what do I want? I want a guy that has the opportunity to score. Touchdowns last week nine for sixty one. He made big plays. And so I if I'm trying to project at the position, yes, I can go. You know, there are some other names. I can go sign a Frank gore for one about you know, eleven carries for maybe fifty yards. But I'm looking for some upside. So it does depend on your team. And where your teams out and what you need, but my favorite guys, Josh Adams. He's got the by week than Dallas New Orleans. I have a big boy I have a really hard time trusting Josh Adams. I mean window Smallwood has been a good fantasy asset over the last several weeks. I have him on my dice roster. I just can't get myself to start him and Corey Clement, Josh Adams, Wendell Smallwood. I feel like if you start those guys you always have a chance at a good game. But it's not like, you know, it's I feel like you have a sixty six percent chance at a bad game in one of those three. We'll end up good. So I am not as high on you. I do agree on me that high as you on atoms that I do agree that he's the he looks like he's got the most juice looks the best of the three when I see him out there. We've always said when the small woods a Jag. He's just a guy Corey Clement has been disappointing this season for me, I'm sticking with the Oakland Raiders backfield specifically Jalen resort. Jason, you know, give it to us cramps. Yeah. No. I'm not lis-. Doug, Martin definitely got the work. He was pretty effective decently effective. So prising Lee for him effective thirteen for seventy two or as we say seventy two yards closer to Christmas closer to clamp hockey kids. The cries here's candidate pampas has he he did have a fumble as well. But Jalen Rashard has just been so involved in the passing game. I mean, you're talking about another what eight for eight I believe this last week eight targets eight receptions, and the amount of time said seven or more receptions, this here that's crazy for a running back. They're going to need him in this passing game without Amari Cooper. I like Jalen Rashard as pickup. He's our. He's my number one. I do want to mention the name Aaron Jones just in case he happens to be on your waiver wire because he would be my top pick up. But he's only available in like thirty percent. What what does? Fart sound that fart sound is. He's not good Erin Joe. He's good. He's like he got double digit touches was on the field over sixty percent of the time and for a running back by committee over sixty for seventeen fantasy points eighty six years rushing touchdown. He makes a fart sound. I said last week to start him. Now, you're taking Atlanta's fart sound. Yes. Look, I'm being very victory. I didn't know this is very consistent last week. I said no that he was a good start. But now you're talking about. I mean, what's his upcoming schedule New England new AME Seattle, you love those men. Yes. The first two yet. Look, look he carries an immense amount of risk. Nobody's discounting that I think the only thing we were trying to discount was your fart sound ridiculous. Just when you fart sound. We're allowed to retort right L allow it like I said he would be nice snap. He's he's probably not a. Billable the name. I wanna throw out would be Elisa McGuire running back for the jets. He's he's come. This is still a stash, but he's coming off of the I R. The jets need somebody to fill that below Powell. Roll. And Trenton cannon is not the answer right now. Kansas City Atlanta. Those are the next to match ups for the jets that certainly smells like a negative game script and one that are going to have to throw the ball. And so I'm I'm interested in. They were talking about immensely over this off season. They were talking about cutting below Powell. But then he hurt his foot and they like him enough that they brought him back right for a running back. You have to at least have faith in this player that he's part of your offense moving forward. So I have interest in stashing him in and seeing what happened. Yeah. I've stashed him in league with an eye are waiting for him to return here. If you're on bypass clips, here's a name that. I think is a good pickup. I think you'll be Halley. This we play this week. He is infinite. Oh, you know, he is all Frank gore on a crazy full by week where you're missing a lot of running backs is sitting out on most waivers as these clear cut starting running back for the dolphins. I play the jets this week. That's the middle of the pack matchup. He's probably going to get fifteen carries. You could do worse on a BI week, then Frank or gore or Peyton Barbara this? Yeah. Barbara from I like Peyton barber more than gore especially rest of season. But I will probably have Frank or ahead of Barbara in my rankings this week. Carolina's defense has been just really solid in that suit. Tampa Bay's playing this shirt that he has been solid, but he's fits magic it. I mean, if the first few games, we have come in for way in fits magic was, you know, just hot fire. I know he's he's hitting on long Arbor. Did nothing. I totally get it. But it looks like the offense ivine has is figuring things out because pain barber and the running. They're actually getting things. Going Ronald Jones it's going to be lost season. He's expected to miss a few games with his injury. So that only solidifies that pain barber is the running back to own for Tampa. I'm more interested in Barbara than gore. And this week is a week where let's talk bids and waiver priorities. There's nobody here everybody. We talked about is. It's like, okay. Okay. I'll just put them in an ordered list of who I would want the most. There's no one I'm going hard after. I mean, if if you need a rest of season guide to me, Jalen Rashard, we'll continue if you're in a PR league to get. Agreed. But I'm, you know, I'm just placing bids. It's really dependent plot of people need a win though. A lot of people are are they have an opportunity to win because they end their opponents both have opened by weak spots. And therefore if you outbid somebody, you're it's a, you know, it's a twofer because you're keeping them away from your opponent. As exactly what I was about say is it's team dependent on by weeks in look not just at your team. But your opponents team what? What if great advice? What if you're like, you know, seven and one like, I don't know like my team. What do you do? Then from philosophical standpoint, if you've got a handful of bias. I mean, do you even care? I would shut your laptop walk away. You're I'm sure you're just getting win of the players. We've talked about clan. Don't do that. If you're grabbing someone to play this week. It's cramps. He gets the play San Francisco. It's cramp is. Or if Rashard is they're out rather have him as well. So it's the raiders running backs and this week. Are you interested in Naim Hines ITO Smith? Devante Booker ITO. Smith to me is still a guy would want. He already seven percent owned. Yeah. I mean, he's still available. He's getting the opportunity. He's got the devante Freeman role. He's just not that good. He's sees. Okay. The running game for Atlanta's just been putrid, Andy, I would say if I have your team. Yeah. And I'm seven in one. Yes. I'm making sure I get my handcuff. If I have that Kareem hunt. If I have Todd Gurley the guy who are the high of side handcuffs, please be stashing them now. At the tight end position. Let's talk about Jack Doyle at Doyle. And log off. He's only twenty five percent on six or seventy and a touchdown last week on seven targets. Now. What I do want to say is. I'm look I know the dole excitement is real right now. And I watched him use his invisibility cloak to stand in the middle of the field play after play. And I see I've seen the tweets, and I understand that Braun had a snaps cut to eighteen percent. Doyle is at seventy five percent. And none of that is to say the Jack Doyle is not a worthwhile pickup and goodness in Tainan landscape with goose's like us among and enjoy this past week and underwhelming players. He's start worthy. Right. However. Eric Hebron doesn't help him. Okay. And even if jebron gets twenty percent of the snaps. That twenty percent fifteen of those twenty percent might be inside the twenty where he is a monster weapon in the red zone. So there is it has not been official to Jack Doyle to have Eric Hebron as productive as he's been sharing. Snaps sharing targets as t y Hilton becomes healthier when they get Ryan grant back. I don't think it's all roses for oil. It's just I think you're going to have the same kind of inconsistencies from him as you do any of the middle tier guys. And it's also not say that Eric Iran goes away. Eric Hebron's going to be a fine, plastic you can probably start both these guys in this landscape. The hard the hardest part about air about Jack Doyle, and Eric Brown is their own this week. Yeah. So he might not help you. You might have another tight and on by don't stash don't stash to by week titans. Pick up someone else. You all know who my pickup is is that Dixon. It's Ed Dixon. I mean, if you. Need a guy that you wanna take a shot at who? Look, I I know we've talked about it for a long time given grief, both directions. There is a chance with Ed Dickson that he is a an important weapon in that offense and that rest of season one of those six to ten range tight ends the rest of the way. And I don't think there's a lot of those left on waivers. So he would be my pick up this week for sure it one hundred percent Jack Doyle for me. I I'm not going to argue that Eric Ibran hurts him, of course. But he's he's a highly targeted tight end. And that's hard to get a Dixon was great. He had to targets in two receptions. Meanwhile, Jack Doyle week one ten targets. He's averaging in his three games where he was injured in one of them. He still averaging about seven targets a game for Andrew luck targets on top of that. So he's for me is I would one hundred percent stash through. Bye week. All right. Turning our attention to the defense's in this upcoming week are their favorites that you have that you want up Mike you smash the claim button on the Kansas City Chiefs this week for me facing Cleveland phasing Cleveland with all that mold the Kansas City. Chiefs defense is going to sack Baker probably four to five times. I don't disagree with that. And even if Baker has see I believe Lakers can have a pretty good game overall by sheer volume in garbage time. Even if that's the case that many passing attempts that many drawbacks mistakes. Happen falls happen things happen. I like I like the jets. I know they're on the road. But you've gotta banged up. Miami dolphins. I don't expect this to be a game that gets out of control in the jets defense has been surprisingly there okay rate, but they every single week. They surprise me. I learned Miami's defense. Yeah. I honestly whatever you've got. Those games where it looks like how are they going to score a lot of points. I'm fine playing both defense. I mean in the forty five point over under in that gay Miami's a three point favorite at home smashed under. I believe that's the low. That's the lowest number of the week. So so that is a good week one of the game. I wanna get your eyes as opinion, Tennessee, Dallas, Monday night football, forty one. I wanna get your authority one. Yeah. Dallas defense there. I wanna get your opinion on Denver's defense at home against Houston this week. That's one of the lower numbers and Denver's gonna face to Shawn Watson without will fuller, and maybe without KiKi q. T I think Denver can be a doctor play this week. I love that play. That's that's a great one. I would probably put that above the New York Jets and above Kansas City. It's it's it's going to be very very interesting to see just exactly what to Shawn Watson can do without will fuller because his. A small sample size. Obviously he looked great last week. Yeah. When but a lot of ball, though. I mean, he ran he ran around got out of the pond here. But but when he's running around out of the pocket he doesn't have will fuller breaking free. Hey, look, I found all these drops on here. Brooks put them on. I was supposed to use them earlier. Wide receiver. I was supposed to supposed to use that earlier when we talked about as well. And then there was this one too. Running bags. Plane hits. Yeah. So I had just I just wrote a note to make sure I put them in there. And I did good. Yeah. Brooks gateway, but you didn't micromanage me to the degree that I I knew. And then give me the that's on you. And that's on you or maybe it's time baby. Yeah. For watch this. Full stream ahead. Took care of that in night Brooks well done well that pretty nice actually super proud of you. Thank you streaming quarterback options. I I just mentioned him. I I'm gonna go with Baker Mayfield free from Huey Hugh. Hugh Jackson and the often demanding to see the time. Haley see the quote about inferring that Baker Mayfield is not going to miss Hugh Jackson. Yeah. I did. I did. I really wish hard not had continued through the season. And I could've seen what happened. Oh man in that those offices yesterday, but look. Can't hit. He's gonna score on Cleveland. They always do and Baker has had some very look productive enough weeks of late and you have options for him. So I wanna take Baker Mayfield as a streaming option. There's not a lot of great unknown quarterback plays this week in baker's about forty two percent own and taking on Kansas City. So if he can avoid a bunch of mistakes, I think you've got twenty five points in the Bank. I mean, I do think couple touchdowns from Baker and some garbage time in you'll be you'll be okay. My stream he's definitely owned because he just got his starting gig back. The magic is back. The best three games start for a fantasy quarterback in history. Ryan fits magic. Never tell me. The odds. I don't care about the matchup. Take crazy. Since care. It's crazy is fits magic. So let me ask you. If you look luck wins Dalton all on buying this week Fitzpatrick is out there. So how do you produce that? How do you that? If you wanna pick up if he's got the upside of being that good shirt, how much are you willing to spend on Unabomber L because the downside is he plays one week. Jamie's math McCain didn't play bad enough to replace. That's the downside and the risk of Ryan Fitzpatrick. But the upside is three stakes three straight games of over four hundred yards at least three touchdowns in each of those games. So. I'm interested. I'm gonna stream him if I'm if I'm in the the biparti lips. I'm not dropping my quarterback. I'm not dropping wins. But I'm gonna play Fitzpatrick's just playing with some kerosene. Yeah. They have a lot of fun. Hey, you can give really hurt. Okay. So fits Madge hits. Don't play with kerosene. I'm gonna go ahead this week. I'm sending some in the car send in the car. We have not been able to send anything in lately. Hark, I'm rusting I'm going with their car. I believe he's a really good option this week. I am trusting that. He is going to have a good game. Here's what I like about their car. What is Derek Carr? No longer have right now, he no longer has a number one wide receiver herpes. Cannot confirm or deny that one. But I know where you're going there forever. Yes. There. So yes, he doesn't have him on incurable. He does not have Amari Cooper anymore, which that's sad or that's good. Who knows what if you're bringing more than anything? He does not have any pressure. There's some host to lose he'd lost his wide receiver. One the pressure coming off of him off that MVP season where they were a Super Bowl contender got injured left. It was like oh the season was lost coming the next year. The pressure was unfathomably high for him and your clone a mentally weak. Sure. I mean, that's what you're inferring. I am inferring that the pressure has got to him. He is looked for. And this last week. He actually looked good. Instead of checking everything down. He still does plenty of check down Jalen Rashard. But he was airing it out. He looked good for the first time ever for the first time ever here. He's dead last in the NFL and averaged up the targets point to what's funny about that. And by the way, drew Brees is at six point three. So that's not. Very different Dirceu is the second best completion percentage in the NFL. Well, seventy six yards ago. We we give drew Brees credit for seventy seven percent. Yeah. His is at the same average depth the target. Here's the reality is Derek Carr now has very little pressure. He could spread the ball around. And he's got a good matchup. And when you go back and look when you look at the the weeks, he's faced tough competition. He's faced he's had bad games against the Rams D. He's had bad games against the Seattle Seahawks. D that has been very good this year. The chargers when he played Cleveland, you know, Cleveland he put up four hundred thirty seven yards and four touchdowns Indianapolis last week three touchdowns two hundred forty four yards. Now. He's got San Francisco. Yeah. I think this is a winnable Manta. I'm sending them in. All right. Good. Sorry. It was not laughing at your take. I think Derek Carr is a very very fine streaming candidate. The the news is are you laughing at the fact that all backup quarterback. Yeah. These backup quarterbacks who are positioned. You are positioned to take over a start for an NFL t had Kelly last week your life. We got breaking news on sleeper. Here that Kyle Lau led the backup quarterback for the giants. Who was getting more with that earlier in the week? It was reported who's getting more reps allegedly was arrested for a traffic violation early this morning super-duper on bad Kelly last week. It's the pressure that soon as you. It's like, oh, you might get a chance the pressures on also AJ green in walking boot. Ooh, I just came through. So he you saw at the very end of the game toe injury. They were examining it. The concern there is whether or not it's turf toe. Now, the by we came at the best possible time, but it's disconcerting the best possible time for him. The worst possible time for fantasy owners because the Bengals will not say a single word about it. Why? And by the time that you get him back, or, you know, something maybe your trade deadline is already passed. Maybe you're unsure of what you got for the future. My dynasty team is falling a part. Yeah. That's the scene is you actually scored great this week. You were one of the top scores. Yeah. I lost. I lost to you. Because rob gronkowski is not delivered the. Yeah. Hey that we have we have our week injury recap article on the website as well. So if you want to you know, sometimes you miss the late game injuries, very important in in Matthew Betz as an awesome job right in that up. No trade news during the show today. So you're gonna have to tune into the Halloween episode tomorrow. And listen to those three guys Drake it all down one final note before we leave a one. I want to tell you about a new podcast each season of the hit podcast origins with James Andrew Miller gets you backstage and inside the minds of some of the biggest success stories in our culture, the currencies and takes you behind the scenes of Saturday Night Live season forty four and you can binge listen to the previous seasons on the origins of a champion Nick Sabin and Alabama's crimson tide the origins of sportscenter the origins of curb your enthusiasm. Oh, Princeton printed. Good. Yes. Check it out origins with James, Andrew Miller. Nell vailable on apple podcast or wherever you listen. 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The Ocho: The needed perspective on Dak Prescott

Blogging the Boys

16:01 min | 1 year ago

The Ocho: The needed perspective on Dak Prescott

"Nona what up world welcome to another episode of the ocho presented you in partnership as always with espy nations bogging the boys dot com my name arjo show you know me of course from b._t. Be an from right here. Humble host on the ocho. It is tuesday august thirteenth two thousand nineteen and the way this week has gone. I cannot believe that we haven't even hit humpty yet. It has been a week gene. We're not even two full days in in terms of everything going on with the dallas cowboys tuesday for me. At least we spent still kind of sorting through through the trash to quote mighty ducks three in terms of the fallout from the report on monday from n._f._l. Networks jane slater that dak prescott is seeking forty million dollars per year from the dallas cowboys on his contract extension this as you can imagine and we talked about this on monday with janesville producer bobby belt. This poked some people you know here's the thing man and i thought about this when i was kind of prepping open for the podcast. I thought oh hey i mean 'cause i was producing some nodes and stuff and i thought okay. Let me get this stat stat. Whatever you know the stats we all know the stats. We all know dak prescott got to resume. We know everything he's accomplished. We know all of that. It's worth paying. I mean that's that's what it is. It is worth paying and and that is one thing that you have to come to terms with the first step. Is you have to come to terms with the fact that dak prescott deserves to be paid. That's the most most important thing here because after that the number doesn't matter the number that is going to get paid is insignificant. The number isn't necessarily israeli something that deck or his team his agents or his negotiators. Even come up with the number is determined based on the market every n._f._l. Vo quarterback that gets paid gets paid a little bit more than the last guy if you go look at the top five highest paid quarterbacks in today's n._f._l. We're talking on tuesday august thirteenth. I might have said nineteenth nineteenth. I think i might have said that at the beginning today's definitely the thirteenth if you go look at the top five highest paid quarterbacks into game right now on an average annual value basis all of them have been paid in the last year number five on that list of five is matt ryan who got his contract act a year ago last offseason was when matt ryan got his big deal it happens and it's gonna keep happening. Maybe adak truly is the next quarterback to get his big time extension. Guess what dude a year from now. When jared goff has gotten his extension wanted to shawn watson has gotten his extension who knows what's going to happen with james winston and marcus smari ota given the fact that they could obviously be free agents after their seasons with the titans and buccaneers when pat mahomes negotiates his deal it is going to be gigantic in terms of quarterback money. That's the way football works. That's the way contracts worked at this position. It's just this rich. Eisen is the person that says he's the the first person i put it. This way is dax. Turn and you might say was not worth thirty five. He's worth thirty three and i i would. I would put this because i've seen that takes. A lotta takes that are floating around with this. He's not worth thirty. Five is worth thirty. Three's worth thirty two dude. If you're quibbling over two or three million dollars at the quarterback back position you need to refocus you need a reshift your priorities because if it's a matter of two or three million dollars that you're hung up on you have after get over that this is the most important position in the game. It's not worth quibbling over two or three million dollars. If that's what it takes to bridge that gap you bridge that gap that's why they're paid so much because you cannot play football without a quarterback and you know tuesday brought with vit- i wouldn't say some new news i would just say some some new perspective on this charles robinson of yahoo had a report where we talked about the philadelphia eagles eagles. You know they sense that. This was going to be an issue. I mean it was obvious. Daqian winston golfer oliver new deals is obscene of course and the eagles partly got their deal down with when they did in an effort to beat the cowboys to the punch and obviously the rams now because they have jared goff too and so that makes sense but in all of his tweets and reports charles robinson did report that he had a league source who told him that the actual target for dak prescott is russell wilson steel russell wilson's deal is worth thirty five million dollars per year. He is currently at this moment at this point in time. The highest paid quarterback in the national football password pitt quarterback in the n._f._l. History however you want to put that and i know that you're gonna roll your eyes at this and i know i said it wasn't gonna do stats and everything but since entering the n._f._l. The two thousand sixteen two thousand seventeen in two thousand eighteen seasons dak prescott has won more games than russell wilson. He has completed more passes than russell wilson he the best completion percentage than russell wilson. He has thrown fewer interceptions than russell wilson. He also has more rushing touchdowns in russell wilson and oh yeah in the one playoff game they played against each other. Dak prescott team beat russell wilson's team. There's obviously a lot of ways to look at it and qualify the quarterback position so you can't just look at that and say outpa- deck but the point is there's a lot of reason to pay back. There's a lot of reason to believe you should and there's a lot of reason if you were defending dak that you would use this information formation in a court of law or in this case negotiation room. I mean there's logic to that and there's logic because of the market in the way quarterbacks are paid. It's really kind of amazing. I mean it shouldn't be but it's kind of amazing how this subject continues to be so volva tile while when it comes to dallas cowboys quarterback tony romo he <hes> c._b._s. Fame tony romo <hes> did some p._r. Work on a tuesday made the rounds. Obviously the season is quickly approaching and we found out <hes> kind of c._b._s. Assignments for the season where certain broadcast crews will be and things like that tony romo jim nance and tracy wolfson will be calling the browns titans game in week one if you care obviously the cowboys will be playing the giants and they won't have golden by the way a little sidebar their golden appeal officially denied so the giants will be without golden tate and perhaps sterling shepherd when they visit the cowboys on september eighth but <hes> tony romo making the rounds and was asked about this is you can imagine and he said look in the n._f._l. Quarterbacks running backs receivers. It doesn't matter it's about the production. Are you winning. Are you helping your football team win and are you producing index done that since the moment he stepped on the field abc bring this up because <music> i said before there's a lot of takes this there are takes that are actually <hes> he throws for three hundred yards two times i mean he he's only thrown over four hundred towards you know wonderful one or two who cares who cares how often he throws for three or four hundred yards three touchdowns in a game he wins since since he's been in the n._f._l. Dak prescott in the dallas cowboys have won more games than any n._f._c. team. They have won more games than any team except for the new england patriots. It's i mean he's got two division titles in three years. He's been of the visual round of the playoffs in both of them. I mean it's absurd. The the and the mindset of people have against this but you know hey man i mean it is it is what it is as they say so the dax thing will continue to go on. That's just the way it goes man. I was talking to the wife on on on monday night after it does everything kind of happened. I said you know i can't wait for the thing to be over and then i thought you know what it'll just be something else i it will just be something because that's the way that the cowboys always role so while the dax really obviously dominated the conversation and really was everywhere. There was a little bit of not concerning news but indefinitely news. That's worth paying attention to on one zero five three the fan <hes> on tuesday morning. This took some people by surprise. We've heard that amari cooper hooper has a heel bruise and that's why he's been missing time at training camp. He didn't play obviously on the preseason game against the forty. Niners probably wouldn't have played necessarily if he'd been healthy just because he's a mark cooper but mickey spagnolo from dallas cowboys dot com was on one zero five three the fan and and told the guys the heel injury that amari cooper is dealing with is more of a ligament thing then a bruise those are words that will ruffle some yeah. There's those awards that will stir up some panic and in a week or cowboys fans are already on the edge those awards that are going to have people kind of starting to freak out just a little bit eh you can read the tweet. If you want the full quote from roy white the fantastic producer for one off the oxygen you want through the fan at our dub three on the twitter machine gene look amari cooper having potential ligament thing is definitely not a set of words. I like to hear but i don't think it's worth worrying about honestly i mean we're still we'll august thirteenth instead of a month. Yes technically the beginning of the regular season but there's still so much time so i don't think there's any real concert concern. Jason garrett was asked about this during his daily press conference at knox -fornia. This is the last week by the way the cowboys are on the left coast. They'll head to hawaii for their preseason game on saturday and then they return to the star oren frisco but he's got time to rest and i know that maybe you're holding your breath. Maybe you're thinking oh my gosh. You know what if he doesn't get right again. I think they're okay. Okay especially and i've said this before. I talked about this with bob type of most with a lot of people. I've written about tweeted about it. The first three games of the season for the cowboys are easy. There pepitas okay the cowboys. Get the giants at home without golden probably without sterling shepard manning's so that's a win. They go on the road to washington. Washington is probably not the dwayne haskins show at that point. Probably you know the colt mccoy show right. Maybe and i know cole mccoy played well against the cowboys on thanksgiving last year but i mean ultimately that's a win and then they get to come home and take on the ryan fitzpatrick or josh rosen and the dolphins. I mean there's so much reason for the cowboys to start strong that i don't think that there's any real reason to worry about amari cooper potential ligament thing unless obviously that is something that hobbles and bothers him all year long but you know we we simply simply do not have enough information at this point to to freak out to that extent. I think there's any reason to freak out about robert quinn. There's no reason to freak out about zeke value but i think that that's kind of where we're at. There's not a lot happening because you know it is still training camp. It's the preseason you know. Things are just kind of things we're kind of treading water water a little bit so this debt bomb this amari thing they feel like larger story lines and they truly are because people need something to hold onto at this particular moment in time but came in it is again to quote whatever philosopher said that it is what it is things are tense. It's a it's hence week so far <hes> concerning the dallas cowboys but <hes> yeah it's all. It's all going to be great. I do think <hes> by the way you know on the subject of in everything and golden tate this suspension being reaffirmed and everything like that a fantastic tweet from our monday. Guess bobby belt on twitter about you. Remember that when the cowboys from our cooper there was all sorts of jokes that everybody made because obviously the philadelphia eagles traded from golden state. The new england patriots hatred had traded for josh gordon earlier in the season and damaris thomas had been traded the houston texans. We were working on. You know done all over the cowboys. Bobby had a tweet that <hes> <hes> if you look at everything that's happened to them. Post their respective trades golden state and damaris thomas combined for sixty receptions. It's six hundred seventeen yards and four touchdowns. Amari cooper on his own has sixty six options eight hundred ninety six yards and and seven touchdowns so individually amari cooper outperforming both golden paid and mary thomas then with the philadelphia eagles and houston texans respectively now take place for the giants and thomas center england patriots <hes> but it's pretty good and see like that's the thing i mean you know. The cowboys were proven right. We all agree right with the market portrayed. Everybody was a little concerned. I think that was fair because it was a first-round japanese kind of punched in the face. It was a big price to pay and they were proven right. They went out and did that. Damn thing they went out and one of those games mark cuban was a beast and the cowboys prove lo and behold they kind of what they're doing. That's the thing i mean you know. It's it's a hard thing to understand how the same people can be upset with that. Prescott for being terrible say zeke elliott has replaceable say the cowboys front office has no idea what it's doing say jason great has no idea what is it the cowboys find a way to win all these games and have all this success something has to we'll be working. You have to trust the front office. You have to give them some credit because they've proven that they do know what they're doing. They are successful front office. They are successful. Have they won the super bowl no but they've come very close and not that that's enough but that is certainly worth giving them some props over <hes> giving them some credit. They've at the very least earned the benefit of the doubt so i think it would behoove all of us to commit to them so that about does it for tuesday's episode of the o._j. Like i said man. It's been crazy and i have so many things things to watch. I'm still watching stranger things. I gotta watch the boys on amazon. I've i've already forgotten the things that are d._v._r. It's just it's it's crazy. It's already crazy. It's only august <hes> but it's the best time of year. Honestly i wouldn't have it any other way. Make sure if you get a chance to subscribe to the blog on the boys podcast fee. We're going to have tones of stuff available for you. Throughout the season we had an episode of talk on the star available on tuesday morning so go back in your feet and you can catch that make sure to subscribe to the blog on the boys youtube channel and checkout blaming the boy's dot com. You can follow me on twitter at our joe for all the good takes and make sure you have yourself a fantastic because you deserve it so with all that being said we'll see you manana. My friends is always go cowboys <music> hi medically editor in chief of eater. I am daniel janine up producer here at meter and we're here to tell you about our brand new podcasts yours digest best every week on the show we dive into the weirdest funniest and most important stories in the world of food with the inside scoop from the biggest names in the industry and expert insights from the eater newsroom. It's really fun time so i would say subscribe to either suggests for free today on podcasts or in your favorite podcast app.

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Score More #9: The matchup vs. the Denver Broncos

Bolts from the Blue

22:43 min | 4 years ago

Score More #9: The matchup vs. the Denver Broncos

"Ooh. Rivers give to scroll angling lift. And. Should've have ruled the fumble. Gates one hundred twelve career. Touchdown catches. That's the most by the NFL tied in all time. Hope wanna figured it out. Just like the play football. This is score more with Garrett system. We are back. How's it going score morons this Garrett sixty this is the score more podcast follows at score more pod. And this week the charters are playing the Broncos first time they play in this year. They play their AFC west rivals. The Broncos are coming off a bye week. Which of course, gives Denver an extra week to prepare for the chargers Broncos are three and six on the year one and three on the road as they come to town play the seven to chargers now at home and before we get into it breakdown this matchup. Let's talk about these injuries for the chargers. Kyle amanullah. Chris Landry in dairies Filon were all full goes on Wednesday. Joey Bosa was limited the first time. We did not see a D N P for time. He did not practice did not participate. And that's a beautiful thing. Man seen a new thing next to. His name is exciting. So Joey Bosa was limited. He has a chance to play Sunday maybe outside chance but still a chance for Bosa to make his season premiere the Sunday against the Broncos the cornerback. Trevor Williams did not practice on Wednesday. He didn't play last week. Michael Davis took his spot and titan in Tonio gates did not practice on Wednesday either. So for the Broncos Darian Stewart who's been out a few weeks is back. He was a full go on Wednesday Joseph Jones, the inside linebacker, Bradley, Roby the corner, Royce Freeman the running back and Daesh on Hamilton the wide receiver were all limited. We'll get into a little bit on what Vance Joseph said about that group in who will play on Sunday Di Monte Thomas the safety did not practice and the inside linebacker Brandon Marshall did not practice. Either. So let's go ahead and get into it. We'll start with offense go onto defense. And I'll give you the result afterward and remember still undefeated on this podcast. So on offense starts, case keenum. Of course, they signed keenum in the off season was recently with the Vikings, but is currently showing signs of regression after's best season of his career just a year ago. But keenum struggles kind of falls at the feet of the offense coordinator, Bill muss grove. He's got a good running game. But he asked case keenum to do too much every week, and they are not utilizing him the way they should keenum is at his best when he's rolling off play action. He's ranked nine tires all time passer great on play action passes with an eighty seven point six. Cain was pass rating on play action passes is one oh nine point four rivers passer. Great on play action is actually second best ever Tom Brady being number one. And fact fourth case keenum's five seasons as a QB. He's racked up a passer rating of over one hundred on play action passes, and a huge part of why case keenum was so successful last year in Minnesota. The Vikings ran twenty eight percent off its place through play action this year under Bill must growth in Denver hits the lowest of his career and they're running play action. Sixteen percent of the time on offense. When keenum isn't going off play action his passer rating, dips almost thirty two whole points to seventy seven point six. That's an issue and must grove is not helping keenum's case. He is at his best in the play action game. They are not doing it enough with case keenum Broncos also like the push the ball down the field. The Broncos are seventh in the league twenty plus yard pass attempts this year with forty four. Now while the chargers are now third in explosive plays the Broncos sit just three spots by the chargers with six overall. Case keenum ran out of a system that does not help him currently has eleven touchdown passes compared to ten interceptions. He can get careless with the football. Guess Bradley's going to want to get real aggressive on Sunday. Case keenum has the fourth worst passer rating verse to blitz if you rattled keenum, it'll be a long day for that. Broncos offense charges often struggle on third downs. And case keenum is had his troubles to the second worst QB the league in terms of third-down success. Not only that the Broncos offense also struggled in the red zone. Keenum's quarterback rating drops nearly forty points as inside the red zone and its completion percentage drops twenty percent. So he's got problems in the red zone. He's got problems on third down. So when it counts. Keenum comes up short charged to continue that trend on Sunday strength. This team is the running backs talked about a little bit early. We'll talking about Bill must growth, but this running back group has success and they have success early on first downs. Their fourth league in yards per carry on first down with five point six charges are tied for first league with five point eight yards per carry. Now, they're exciting. Rookie Philip Lindsey has been their best back in his speed and looseness has caused teams problems all year, they're undrafted free agent. Lease the Broncos and Carey's yards rushing as well as yards per carry. Among the teams running back group Lindsay is tied with Melvin Gordon for the NFL leading yards per carry amongst players with at least one hundred rushing attempts to season endeavors rushing attacks ring ten league in Russia hours after contact with four hundred sixty six charter CITIC seventh best with four hundred ninety one. So a tough tackling group much like the chargers. The next running back is devante Booker. He's kinda used more as their power back. The use him in the red zone. A lot a lot of short third downs. He's also a threat to catch the ball of the backfield. He's averaging little over two catches a game. So like to get Booker the ball through the air Broncos head coach Vance Joseph says, he expects third round pick Royce Freeman to make his return this week and that running back will join the Broncos running back committee. This sunday. Most likely Freeman has good vision also shifty runner swimming. His normal workload free will probably around five to eight carries on Sunday kind of mixed things up. But it hasn't really been utilized in the passing game. That's more Philip linzie. And devante Booker zero right now Freeman only has six targets through seven game. So they like to run him on the ground not much of a threat out of the backfield. Though, they have got him some targets not much. Now. The chargers are gonna have to stop the run early. They're have to stop run period. Obviously. But there have to stop at early because the Broncos love set up that second and third manageable, and let keenum just sling it, you know, they like to take shots downfield and when Lindsay or Booker or even Royce Freeman can cut six seven yards on first down and make it second in three or third and to take a shot. So gotta stop early on. I down the charges run D sands Denzel Perriman now who's on the I r will need to limit the rushing yards on first down make keenum earned those yards on second and third down. This is a good running back. Stable of Broncos. Have this is a talented group. And it's really a shame. They don't utilize more to be honest with you. So then wide receivers Denver's without their starting wide receiver. Damaris Thomas who's trade to the Texans at the deadline with the Mary Thomas out. It is now the court Lund's Sutton show in the one game without Thomas so far before the by Sutton was the team's leading wide receiver in yards. Led the team in air yards. And is there new downfield threat finish that game against the Texans with three catches for fifty seven yards whichever corners, mashed up on Sutton on Sunday is going to be tested deep. If it is Michael Davis on Sutton. It's going to have to keep up on Sunday. You let some of these Seattle receivers behind him when tested deep. He's definitely going to get tested on Sunday. If Michael Davis is the starter in Trevor Williams does not go Emmanuel Sanders, we know all about him. He's the team's leaving wide receiver the season still as effective in the middle of the field as he's always been skiing to be Emmanuel Sanders, Cortlandt Sutton, and the Broncos expect the other rookie wide receiver day, Sean Hamilton to make his return the sunny as well. This is a young group with some real potential, but they have had their problems Broncos wide receiver group has underwhelms afar. This year and has let keenum down with some costly drops. Specially when it mattered like I mentioned the struggle. In the red zone. Strong third-down Broncos currently ranked as the eighth worst team in the league in drop percentage on third down. If you think about that game this past weekend. There's some costly drops by the raiders like that dropped by Jared cook on third down where they crossing route and Derwin was on them. And just let it hit his hands. Oakland isn't even ranked in the top ten as the ten worst in that category. The Broncos have been much worse than the raiders big reason why they're having troubles when accounts on money downs for the tight ends with Jake but out Jeff Hier minutes starting tight end for Denver Hyman had a dazzling performance against the Texans. He got ten catches on Levin targets for eight three touchdown to put that into perspective through the first eight weeks the season. She's had sixteen catches for one hundred thirty four yards and no touchdowns. His next closest offense of output came in week four we cut four passes for fifty seven yards against chiefs. Hire men is known as a blocking tight end the Br. Ronco sold Harmon hard on the blocking to slip out of flat for an easy reception. Did that a lot higher men got most of his yards after the catch showing some wiggle in the open field? This is an obvious point of contention for the Broncos coaching staff to make up for the loss of Damaris Thomas. They looked to beginning hire more involved in the offense. They moved him around a lot trying to get him. Some open looks appears he'll be more featured in the red zone as well. He caught the Broncos lone touchdown pass in week nine against Texans. So on the offensive line. The Broncos just had a huge blow to the offense of line with the last of their best lineman in my opinion center, Matt Paradis, now, they just place Paradis on. I r this week charters won't see him. This year will also say after watching games earlier this year, Matt Paradis was probably on his way to being a top five setter in this league. He was outstanding this season injuries sucks. Taking over Matt Paradis central be the right guard Connor McGovern now the right guard. Spot was vacated by Ronald. Leery when it went down with an injury. But before that McGovern was almost replaced at right guard now because of that injury Leary McGovern kept his spot. But is now moving to the center spot lot shuffling going on right guard to take over McGovern. Spot who took Leary spot will be Eli Wilkinson who's actually done. Pretty good in limited duty the guard on the opposite side on the other hand max Garcia has not Garcia's arguably been they're worse time in this year. But it does not stop there. Right. Tackle jared. Ville deer has been banged up all year as miss four games and left. Tackle Garrett Bowles is not having a good season. He looked slow. He doesn't look athletic enough to hang it left. Tackle when you beat both. He gets grabby. He leads the league at holding penalties. He is having a tough go at it right now. And it gets worse with the abundance of penalties. Broncos head coach Vance Joseph also talked about trying out new left tackles within to give bowl some competition. Then of course. The injury bug. Hit and bowls is now safe for now at left tackle all five spots in the Broncos offense of line has some question marks. But what they do do. Well is they can run block before the Paradis injury. They were one of the best run blocking groups in the NFL. Vala teams have done the podcast for maybe the Rams are the only better run blocking group of the teams of wash so far in my opinion. Least. That's definitely a strength of theirs pass balking not so much. So on defense starting a front defensive line. The Broncos are one of the worst run defensively. NFL they are bottom. Ten they're allowing one hundred thirty one yards rushing per game. And the two thousand eighteen Broncos now hold the record for yards rushing allowed in two consecutive games. Since the merger at five hundred and ninety three to give five hundred ninety three yards in two games to the jets into the Rams upfront to Mata Petco is a defensive leader man's the middle nose tackle. Petco had a good year last year kind of taken a dip this year. So far, the ends are Derek Wolfe. Who is still very good. And Adam Gotsis, the Broncos are one of the most blitz. Happy teams in the league as well. So the offense of line and Philip rivers better be ready on Sunday. Denver blitzes the fifth most leagues ending five. Or more defenders thirty one point eight percent of the time. They can do that. Because they got some talented pass rushers. Von Miller, of course, still the best pass rusher in the NFL Miller has seventy seven straight games with at least one pressure. He is third in the league in sacks with nine and Miller is averaging a sack a game the other pass rusher. Rookie Bradley Chubb has been on a tear Trump is recorded thirty five total pressures through week nine which ties Carl Lawson for the most precious record in the first nine weeks by rookie defender, Bradley Chubb is a serious contender during Jane's for defensive rookie of the year. We will see him on Sunday because they're getting. After the quarterback. And being sent so often the Broncos only eighth best pressure percentage in the league watch out offense of line because they are coming on Sunday. Now moving back a little bit to the linebackers starters are Todd Davis and Brandon Marshall though martial status Sunday is in question with a bone bruise. That means it'll be rookie linebacker from Iowa Josie jewel who play in his place and has been a bright spot. So far this season. He's been very good defender, though, he has had his struggles in coverage sought against the game against the Texas. George Thomas just ran right by Josie jewel easy. Touchdown pass. Can't quite hang in coverage. He struggles they're kind of what we saw in college from Josie, but he can make up for it. I mean, he's not a bad player, but he does have his shortcomings in coverage. And then the DB's speaking coverage the loss of a key to leave in the off season hurts, but Chris Harris, still damn. Goodman. I said it before on other podcast. But Chris Harris is such an underrated corner. He is one of the best in the league that nobody talks about according to PF Chris Harris has allowed sixty point eight passer rating passes thrown in his direction as to third lows in the league among quarterbacks with at least one hundred fifty snaps in coverage part of the reason they felt comfortable letting to leave leave in the offseason was to make way for their young corner. Bradley Roby Robie had a slow start to the year came alive against the cardinals. But it's been a serious down near for Robey. He's dealing with an injury. He didn't play in the Broncos last game in week nine. Now, he has had an extra week to he let because they had the by week, but he may be hurting his ego. Maybe hurting a little bit too because Bradley Roby was rumored to be trade bait during the trade deadline willing to part with Bradley Roby. Couldn't get a deal done. He could be back this weekend. But Robie still having a real down year Brown. Coz are the tenth best coverage unit in the NFL though. A lot of that is coming from the corners. Chris Harris, some of that coming from some of the hot play from Bradley Roby, though, he's been more down than up strong safety. Darian Stewart looks like he's going to get the green light according to Vance Joseph. He's expected to play on Sunday though. I've actually liked what I've seen from will parks who's taken over for Stewart when he's been out. He's looked pretty good free safety. Justin Simmons has been a liability of free safety. Too often biting fakes and cut out a position too many times. Sa- Craven's is the guy behind him that Craven's parks vet played pretty good. And probably outplayed the starters this year for the special teams. The Broncos have had five different players return punts this year of the top three corner. Adam Jones has twenty five total yards undrafted free agent. Running back. Philip Lindsey has twenty three return yards and rookie DeJean Hamilton the wide receiver lease. The Broncos with thirty one total return yards on three attempts. So far this year. All three have been ineffective in the punt game not much to really worry about on Sunday at least going into the game. Philp lindsay. Is there kick returner, and he's averaging twenty three point two yards per return this season to the punter Koby? Wade Mun is in kicking that great either this year. He's twenty seventh in the league in net. Punting average Donnie Jones, you guessed it dead last. So everyone who wanted to come at me on that other podcast. I do about as punting stats. He still not a good punter. The matter what statue pull up he's just not kicking that great. You can argue about circumstance and context when you look at the numbers Donnie Jones has just not been kicking that great. He hasn't gotten good returns. Which is a plus their kicker. Brandon McManus is thirteen of sixteen this year. Of course, the chargers new kicker not to brag or anything. Michael badgley? One hundred percent five for five on field goals is here. Three for three on extra points kids. Perfect. So shout out Michael badgley? So for the result, you've got to get the case keenum. He's not good when pressured and they have to turn the screws on third down in the red zone. The Broncos struggling both key areas. Charters have got to continue the trend. The Broncos offense at line have holes all of the place. Gus Bradley gotta bring it to Monday. The Broncos rushing attack is good charters to try to stop the run early. And put it on case keenum to make plays between Emmanuel Sanders, Cortlandt Sutton day. Sean Hamilton, even Jeff Hier men. They may not be the most talented group, but they can make plays pressure would help. But they'll have to wash depot their seventh league in twenty plus yard pass attempts. They like to push down field. Watch the deep ball kind of. Been leaky in the back end. We haven't seen it in a little bit. But got to watch it because deep balls coming charters have the advantage on the ground. No doubt about it. The Broncos are giving up one hundred thirty one rushing yards a game. And they are averaging almost giving up a rushing touchdown game. So far this year. Melvin gordon. Awesome. Neck ler can take advantage to the air. Chris Harris talented db, but his group is not what they used to be. And they can be tested during the game against the Texans. They're getting really chippy in that db group. They're yelling at each other. De'andre Hopkins was almost wide open for a touchdown. They went Atty. Other those Broncos DB's lots of confusion, not very happy. They're not winning to start the game. Denver comes out the gate swinging. They are second in the league in first quarter scoring behind the chiefs. But after that, the offense sputters the charters will need to weather the storm early and cannot sleep walk to start the game or the. The Broncos are going to jump out in front early. And they're gonna jump out fast. They've been slow to star game. 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Hour 1: Jason the Jerk

Izzy and Spain

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Hour 1: Jason the Jerk

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast. I'll admit it usually trade deadline day in the NFL doesn't give us some great excitement doesn't give us. Some great moment doesn't give us some great thing. They get hyped about. But this year, this is not the normal year in the NFL and this year one team got one player that has an entire fan base thinking Super Bowl at Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz were presented by progressive insurance. And sarah. I mean, it is rare for me to walk up and down the halls of ESPN radio and see or co workers and some of the people that work with the company walking around pumping their fists in the air and screaming Super Bowl. But that's what was happening for some eagles fans today as golden Tate is traded from the lions to Philadelphia giving the eagles the defending Super Bowl champion what they are sorely missing in the eyes of so many people a dynamic playmaker that can make a difference right away. It's a stunning moment on trade day. Oh, listen, I'm a huge move for the eagles. But I would like you to name first. And last name the people who are walking around pumping their fits and yelling Super Bowl because the eagles are are far from made in the shade. Now that they've got golden Tate. His numbers are great. They absolutely needed him. There wasn't a big difference between this team in last year's other than the loss of some pretty key defensive coaches. But to me we haven't seen enough from them yet to say, oh, this is the answer. And I was on board with them not suffering much of a Super Bowl hangover. I was pretty confident in this eagles team. But golden Tate is not enough in my opinion to have people buying their tickets at the Super Bowl. I don't disagree with you. But Mike, you does Mike. You was okay. One example, that's one example. But I will say I think credit from I think part of where this comes from is just the general excitement because you know, the eagles feel the fan base. Feels like they have the type of quarterback that can make things happen. And there's been at least the perception that the wide receiver position has been their great deficiency on offense. It's the area where they really need somebody that can help make things happen. And that is something to golden Tate has obviously done. So I see that that's a small part of it. I think the rest of it is that frankly, the NFC east is just a bad division. I mean if the Redskins with two losses are sitting there is the cream of the crop at five and two. I don't know that I'm looking at them and saying, oh, this is this is that moment that they can't be overcome. So I feel like that's part of it. I feel like it's a team looking in there looking in the mirror and saying what do we need an is there an opportunity to strike right now and is particularly aggressive. It should be noted because they traded a third round pick for somebody. That isn't under contract next year. They essentially gave up a third round pick for a loner player something we're not used to seeing in the NFL. Well, we'll say Tim McManus are ESPN writer broke it down. Smartly to say though that if the eagles don't resign him in free agency. They could get a third or fourth round compensatory pick back in two thousand twenty. So depending on a plays out. They could only end up really spending the difference of having a third round or in two thousand twenty instead of twenty nine thousand nine so it could just be backing up that third rounder a year the lines, of course, get a guaranteed third round or either way and then get some of his money off the books. He had a nine point three five million dollar cap number coming into the season, but stats wise. I think we are seeing a little bit more rentals of guys that look like they can add something right away. And NFL research shows us that Tate has the most yards after catch in the NFL since two thousand fourteen lead all wide receivers in yards after catch and three the last four full seasons. Second most third down receptions. The NFL since two thousand fourteen this is a guy who can make a difference right away. And the NFL is sort of a little bit more trade happy than ever before. I think there are windows guys are trying to take advantage of that maybe in the past. They wouldn't be willing to get a rental. I think that's one of the biggest trends we now have to acknowledge. I think the difference between the NFL, and let's say the NBA or major league baseball in the past is is sort of the window in the period of time where you feel like you can go out and be your best. Now, I think more than ever we're reminded constantly that because of injury or because of changing coaching staff or just because some years it's better to be lucky than good. It feels like you have the small window of opportunity to go out there and be great. I've constantly said if you believe you have a great quarterback. And you believe you have a competent coaching staff, you owe it to them to do everything you can to win in that moment at the highest possible level. So this is how we Roseman in the eagles front office coming in and saying, hey, even though we're form four right now, we believe we're better than formed for and we believe that this is the opportunity. Day to come and compete. And I love it, frankly, because it's making trade deadline day, which in previous years is sort of been a dud, it makes it a reason for for hope makes it a reason for conversation. Those are the things that really draw out of a trade like golden Tate a big name player going to a franchise. Like the eagles are considered right now to be so good. Well, and I agree with you in that if I'm an eagles fan walking around fist pumping. I might not be saying Super Bowl. But I might be saying, okay, good. Our team's not resting on the fact that we wanted all last year were still pressing. We're still pushing when we've got the guys that we have the core that we have from last year the team that wanted all and we're looking around the rest of the division and the rest of the of the NFC and were saying, we're we're still going to go after that. Because there are a lot of teams that would not right that way. So anyone fist pumping all allow that? I think taking Super Bowl maybe a little bit too far. But let's talk about some of the other trades from today because it was actually a pretty busy day compared to what we've seen. Of late. We won't even get into the fact that one of your team's players just quit. And you can't dome my shine today because here's the important thing. We've made it through trade deadline, and Derek cars. Still the starting quarterback of the Oakland Raiders that wasn't necessarily a given a few days ago. So, you know, I'm looking at it saying, hey, because I do believe that car is the quarterback, and we'll be the quarterback for the future. I'm looking at it from the raiders standpoint and say, well, at least there's one builder and back one piece of now Damaris Thomas go into the Texans. I think is also a significant deal and a little bit more in the price of what we're used to Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz presented by progressive insurance. Cars home boats, motorcycles, RV's and more that progressive dot com. The Damaris Thomas deal over to the Texans. I think makes a lot of sense because Shawn Watson has looked lost to me at this point. Will fuller goes down with an injury that significant and the value wasn't much essentially it was a Damaris Thomas for seventh rounder four or six hundred sorry for. Forty four to six around there. So not a lot of value in the trade. And you bring in somebody. They can maybe help fill that gap in another division that looks like it could be winnable, even if the team isn't great. It's I think it's a pretty aggressive move by the Texans and Texans are playing the Broncos this Sunday in Denver. See you can be certain that he'll be getting asked immediately. What were you? What were you working on over there? What can you bring to the table in terms of head on up there, the old white board and show some place and what's going on? You know, interestingly speaking of your raiders as we just were Amari Cooper hasn't made his debut for the Cowboys yet. I wonder if Cowboys are looking at around at what some of the guys on the trade deadline are getting in return for the for these wide receivers and wondering. We have given away first rounder, right? Because none of the other wide receivers going today are going anywhere near that. Well, and I have to wonder though, golden tape for a third round. And you make a great point about the compensatory to pick. But golden Tate for third round rental. It does feel like there's a sort of a strange value on wide receivers that nobody can pinpoint what they should be worth in. That's going to be the interesting piece of it looking for because these trades absolutely play into how they're viewed the pick that went from Dallas to the raiders is always going to be attached with the Maury Cooper at this point. Now, I do want to point out one other trade today that a lot of people think is a super huge deal. I'm a little surprised by Dante Fowler, jR, gets traded from the Jags to the Rams again talk about paying a lot for a third and fifth round draft pick third round twenty nine thousand nine fifth round pick in twenty twenty and he's becoming an unrestricted free agent after the season two, but he hasn't had a particularly good year. So I think that's a lot to give up their that. Again, it feels like tea. Teams in their window right now decided to overpay this year for results. And that's that's stunning to me. Well, and maybe they you know, he he's he's got some off the field issues. Maybe he's a guy that they just think needs to be put in the right situation. And they'll get the best out of him and be able to convince him to stick around because it is a good team in a good city. And maybe that's their hope because you're right. Suspend not on a guy who hasn't been dominant and will become an unrestricted free agent after the season is kind of surprising. But if you look at their defensive line rotation they've got Aaron Donald is leaving the NFL sacks. Sue and Brocker all four former first round picks Fowler third over on two thousand fifteen Donald thirteenth in two thousand fourteen th SU second in two thousand ten brokers fourteen twenty twelve so if you're if you're the Rams, and you're very very confident in your offense. You wanna make sure your defense can keep up every week. I maybe maybe you feel like again the. Window is there to take advantage this year? Yeah, you're right. Maybe a depth plays worth it. When you think you're in this moment where heck not only are they talking Super Bowl for the Rams, but it's a question of when or if they'll even lose this season. So we're not done talking about the trade straight ahead. Tom Brady said he's inspired by Aaron Rodgers. But did a Packers player get traded because of Aaron Rodgers find out next pain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz breaking down all the trade action from today. And look I is the NFL trade deadline came. There were moves you sort of you raise an eyebrow to their moves it to look at it and say, well, what are we that come from? And then there's some moves you look at it and say not surprised at all in one of those was the Packers deciding to trade time Montgomery to the ravens. Let's remember over. The course of the weekend time Montgomery made news for deciding to bring a kick out. When everyone told him not to so the Baltimore Ravens make a low risk move. And the for a seventh round draft pick in twenty twenty a seventh round fake they acquired time on Gumri in a move. That is directly just the Packer saying if you can't follow the rules, and you don't want to give air Aaron Rodgers the chance to win a game. We don't want you here right there. Yeah. And for those who weren't up to speed on this. It's not just he didn't listen and ran the ball out. But according to his teammates who spoke angrily to the NFL media's Mike silver. This was a case of frustration from the play before throwing his helmet frustrated about coming off the field and deciding to try to make a play there perhaps to prove them wrong going against the orders of his coach and those around him. And as you said smartly yesterday, and I agreed. I don't know how you go back to a team and can be trusted after that. If it if it really truly, and it certainly sounded like from his teammates was a move that you chose. To do. And not just while. I was trying my hardest and I should have listened. If it was it was intentional and fuelled by anger. I can't especially in a season with only sixteen regular season games be willing to give up a chance at a win. Because of something as boneheaded is that one of the interesting things about time. Montgomery to me is remember he was third round pick in two thousand fifteen but he was originally receiver and he's switched to running back when the Packers just seemed decimated. Didn't it didn't have any other option, and then he played well enough that he sort of stuck there. So I look at this guy that plays his way into the roster plays his way into opportunity putting the game that we reference on Sunday. He'd only been in for six snaps. And so your guy that feels like you've done everything for your team and your guy that's feels like you finally played your way into opportunity. And now, you you you're not getting opportunity. And now you're emotional outburst has caused you to lose opportunity at all to play for one of the best franchises in the NFL. It's a it's an interesting piece of. That for somebody that worked so hard to make himself a part of the team. And then let's emotion essentially kick him off the team. Also interesting to me to say that's only the third time in ravens history that they've acquired a player on trade deadline day that says how it is for the organization, and it also shows how much Baltimore just felt like they needed explosiveness. They're not getting any love from the running game. He can't there's no risk in them seeing if they can say it's as much about needing that help as it is about this is an easy move because the Packers wanna get rid of him. Right. So it's super low risk. Maybe they don't usually make these moves because they aren't willing to risk anything in this case. It's it's what someone from the NFL network called the ham sandwich straight. Right. So you're not giving up a lot. Now, it is worth noting. And I mentioned this yesterday. It's got to be frustrating for Aaron Rodgers and the rest of the Packers team that this franchise has not been able to get him a legitimate running back to the point where they are transitioning receivers into that running back role. And I don't know if somehow this will make their running game better to at least streamline it a little more. They have a couple of different guys in Jones and Williams and Montgomery were all getting reps. None of them really got into any sort of rhythm. None of them stands out as as a great option. And so maybe at least if you give the if you give the other two guys more reps, they'll find their groove. That's about the most optimistic I can say about this. But we've saying this over and over again, and this is another reminder you've got the best quarterback potentially of all time. And they just don't put enough talent around him, and the running back position is a clear indication that, you know, and it's funny because we give so much credit to the success of the Packers to part of part of it to the front office. And Ted Thompson in the GM there in when you look at the process for the Packers. I'm with you. I think that it's time to admit that there are certain positions. They just don't seem capable of scouting. Well, and there's not always an easy answer. Sorta like we constantly laugh at the Cowboys at their inability to acquire the wide receiver. They seem to be looking for the Packers are in that same boat. There are just certain teams in certain areas that can't find the guy one thing. I do know that maybe wouldn't be traded if he'd sent Aaron Rodgers some flowers because you can surprise it from their loved ones today or anyone that got traded in the NFL NFL with the bouquet from one eight hundred flowers dot com. When you order a dozen multicolored roses for only twenty nine ninety nine you get another dozen plus a vase absolutely free. Go to one hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. Sarah, the most important question out of that is to save ace or vase. I say both. I don't know why I always goes Caisley while reading I say vas, and I don't know why. But I almost I say vase in life and vase occasionally, while reading vas sounds very pretentious that sounds like saying aunt it. It's too. It's too boozy for me like. I just have. By the way, I wanted to mention you want to keep talking about vases. Are you confused by the trade of ha ha Clinton Dix to the Redskins? The the Packers get a twenty nineteen fourth round draft pick Dixon's bene- starter since his rookie season. He is going to be an unrestricted free agent after this season. I guess I didn't see that coming. He also had a nice tweet. Thanks, y'all for everything with little cheese emoji doesn't seem like there was any bad blood there. I'm kind of surprised. Yeah. I was really surprised. Honestly, I didn't see that one coming in is somebody. That's that's been a playmaker. I think since it came into the league I understand that there's been some ups and downs. And maybe he's never elevated. There was such high expectations for him when he came into the league that in some ways, I feel like they sort of maybe those were impossible to me. But he's been consistent playmaker. For the defense. He has not been a liability. And I don't understand why you don't at least I guess the logic is get something form rather than let them rack that. You're probably not gonna pay him what he's going to ask for in the off season. I I was just surprised by that. I didn't think it was that much of a done deal. Did you that even be consideration to pay him where he wants to be paid him in? Because when you're letting somebody walk you're essentially saying, I'm not gonna pay street market values. Somebody else will give that market value. I can't believe that the Packers were in a different spectrum of what his value would be. Then let's say the Redskins would be in free agency. Agreed. And there in the thick of things in the NFC north that division is as tight as any. So I'm super. Surprised that they would make move like that. They've now got two former undrafted free agents at their top to safety positions. And they let their last two high price safeties walk in Morgan brunette and mica hides. They clearly not been willing to spend at that position. I'm not really sure what the idea is there for them. It seems like it seems like if I'm Aaron Rodgers I'm looking around, and and I'm all in on Montgomery and a little bit confused about what we're thinking about it this point in the season with still very much a chance to win the division about the Clinton Dix decision. Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more, especially when you think about the constant question. I asked how does it make your team better right now? And what's the plan? And I Don like some teams that are tanking in the giants. And the raiders I understand that. They're all out for this year. The Packers aren't in that situation. So it definitely didn't get traded Jerker also in bell because he can't be reported. And he hasn't signed his franchise tender. So he cannot be traded this season now. So now, it's just a staredown of are you ever going to show up or is is that it for this? You're just gonna sit and you're going to try to get what you can despite not accruing another season of play the whole situation gets weirder. And weirder to me. And I love it more and more every single day mostly because it's not my favorite team straight ahead. The first college football playoff rankings or just over thirty minutes away. Plus, Maryland surprised a lot of people today and not in a good way. We'll break it down next pain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app Spain and Fitz. I can't believe it that Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit Helen until it got there alone. We get there. I'll get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's best button? Do this. Don't believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. We're going to go to the show Pennzoil performance line or ESPN college football. Reporter Heather Dench joins us. Follow on Twitter at CF. Heather Heather, obviously, you do. Great incredible work covering the college football playoff. The release is gonna come out tonight of the first selection committee ranking? So what team are you most interested in seeing where they fall tonight. The question is LS, Hugh because they clearly should be the highest ranked one loss team based on their resume, but how high can they climb? They have four wins right now. I guess how're five opponents with winning records. That's really impressive. None of them might be ranked in the top twenty five. But they're definitely respectable win is not enough though for them to leapfrog undefeated Notre Dame. Could it even be now for them to jump to that number twos? Dot that's kind of what I'm most curious to see right now. Yeah. You're the first I've heard to really be predicting a potential to jump into the top. Everyone seems to be pretty certain about the one in two spots and more interested in three or four this morning and Golic and wingo. The guys as soon as they read a stat about the number three team in the first college playoff rankings, never advancing down the down when it matters most. They decided they were hoping that Notre Dame would be done at number four. What's the argument you make for LSU topping Notre Dame for that three spot? Well. I think a lot of it has to do with their strength of schedule. Now, they obviously be ahead of Michigan, which I think we'll follow it number five because they have the head to head win over Michigan. Very good where Stanford band though, because now they're three loss team beyond the Michigan win. What's the next best went on their resume? So I think that's an important thing to look at. But again, the strength of schedule to me is what could potentially have LSU ahead of them. But look, I agree. I predicted that Clinton will have the number two spot. I just wonder how much of a debate will be in that room as to how high they can get Clinton over the last two weeks has looked out banding not only defensively upfront. The secondary starting to get better. And just offense. They've looked so solid. They've outscored their last two opponents one hundred ten to like, I don't know like seventeen or something ridiculous. So they're right up there with Alabama. I think for those once the LSU's resumes, still very good. We're talking ESPN college football reporter Heather dinner on the shell Pennzoil perform. Georgia fans screaming at their radio right now because you haven't even said their programs name yet where do you think Georgia falls and all of this? I think Georgia is right behind Michigan for the number six thought. And I say that because that win against Florida was still important. But it's their only big win. I think Michigan has a better resume right now. I think when you look at Georgia they have one more step against Kentucky to secure the he just not quite there yet, resume wise. And I think Michigan defensively I think you can argue has been better. And they've also quietly been making some really important drives on offense as well. Busiest woman in sports today, how their Dench because she's also covering the Maryland story. That's keeping her very busy for those. Who haven't heard the latest about everything that occurred today with president Wallace Loh football coach DJ, an athletic director, Damon Evans, can you give us a quick wrap up? Sure. So DJ Durkin is coming back. You've been on paid administrative leave since August. Wallace low also keep his job, although he is going to retire on his. Own in June of next year and Damon Evans athletic director is also returning James Brady, the chairman who of the of the border regions who spoke at the press conference today, basically said the reason for that is because they think EJ Dirk into is a good a good coach and a good guy and that he has the best interest of the student athletes at heart, and that Damon Evans and wall slow have been working together since the summer to try and implement some of those recommendations from the very first report the Walter's report to make Maryland better. So that's the direction that they chose to go with it in spite of a one hundred ninety two page report that documented a a lot of confusion within the the rank of who reports to who. And some you know, verbal abuse. And and a whole lot other. Okay. So Heather with that being said how surprised were you with the decision? I was shocked. I was shocked because there's just been so much information out of their own investigations that puts responsibility on DJ Dirk. And now, look I mean, I'm not surprised that while slow and David Evans necessarily returned. But in the report, there's just so many damning things in terms of the the way Durkan handled the program and just the the culture within it while they said, it wasn't toxic. They laid out detail after detail of problems that were in there and other kinds of abuses. So that was surprising to me, and I can tell you from source that there was a team meeting. And there was some players you walked out of it, Wendy, Wendy j hood is his team meeting today. So it will be interesting to see what happens on the back end. But you know, it's important for people to remember, you can also had a lot of support through this from some players and and parents throughout. It. It was a mixed bag of reviews in terms of where everybody stood on this. But it was very important clearly to the board of regents that DJ Dirk and come back. How you mentioned those players walking out is this a done deal. Even if there is a tremendous amount of pushback from parents and even players or does this feel like they are hoping to put this out there. And if the PR isn't that bad they'll stick with it? Because I I was surprised to hear that low set in meetings that he didn't want her to stay, but was sort of given the that's not an option answer for his job. And if he's leaving June. Anyway, why wouldn't he have made that his last big move? Well, I was told that the reason he didn't Q two parts. One a source close to the situation told me that you're you're right that the board put pressure on low to retain DJ in order to keep his own job. The second thing I was told is that the reason Wallace slow did not fire DJ and then resign immediately instead of a year because there's this whole other academic side to it. And there are other things going on at Maryland. There are gains that need to be hired there. Other people within the university system of one point five billion dollar campaign going on right now that the board wants to see him finish through. There are other things going on there. And he wanted to stay to do that. So Heather, maybe I maybe I've been watching too many conspiracy theory documentaries on Netflix. I'll I'll I'll admit that. But there's a piece of me that feels like all this information comes out when the college football playoff rankings are coming out for the first time. I mean, it just sort of feels like it's trying to be buried as a story. Was there some intent in your mind to doing that? I don't think. So the way that it is operated they've had so many meetings. So many phone calls. They've talked about this for so long. They gave them though, a self imposed deadline of today to announce any recommendations or decisions. And so they they met that deadline it it just happened to be the first day of the college football playoff rankings. And I'm here in Dallas talking about it. Well, that doesn't help my conspiracy theory at all one thing, I do know no conspiracy recording required for follow on Twitter at C F B Heather to get all the great reporting, not just on Maryland. But obviously on what the committee decides to do tonight. I know you're very slammed. Heather we really appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on with us. Thank you both so much Spain and Fitz being the likelihood is at some point and probably earlier than I thought it was going to happen. We're going to be Kylo leading. That's the SPN NFL giants reporter Jordan Ronan and ups because that may not be the best solution anymore for the giants. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz presented by progressive insurance. And Kyle has made the news for all the wrong reasons when you're a fourth round draft pick that may become the starter some point this season in New York just to see what they have what you don't want to do is find yourself in the news because you're arrested at eight AM around eight AM this morning. He was driving his twenty seventeen Jaguar radically in heavy traffic near the pleasant avenue entrance to route four ninety five the cops told him to stay in his lane. He made an illegal turn towards the tunnel almost hidden officer. So this is the day before when he was finally stopped. He wouldn't provide his license. Registration wouldn't get out of his car. I mean, this is this is terrible terrible decision. Making from somebody that right now is on the mindset. Week or not a week ago month ago, a very few people knew a lot about letter. And now all of a sudden everybody's hearing his name and today, it's like, oh, wait that's the same guy that might become the starting quarterback doesn't feel good for giants fans right now terrible decision making you said he sounds ready for the start. Also, what's the fourth round pick do them with the Jag come on? That's too much money in the car that agreed. Our producer, Vince, very smartly, set breaking the law Leta, and this to me the timing is what really gets me it's like any other week. You would have seen this coming go. You would have said he's an idiot. And maybe we'll talk a little bit about whether he's still in play to take over for alive. But the very week that it becomes clear to many that he is going to get the start. It's just so dumb. It's so dumb. It's it's not even you know, you know, criminal enough to be something that you should be angry about him as a person. Aegis sounds like a jerk because we've all seen that before. Right. Where you see that the line of cars that needs to turn right goes way way back. So instead you pull through that middle lane. And at the last second pretend like you changed your mind and do a wide turn around on the Kearns fan. Like everybody's seen that guy or gal do that before. And been like, oh, what makes you better than me? And he did it two days in a row and the first day didn't get in trouble. And then he pushed his luck. And. Here we are. And the thing about it fits is that before the show we start trading around different possibilities. Like, what's the thing that you've done where you know, you're being a jerk? And that's just the jerk thing you do. And I said, you know, maybe I can think of something when I'm in my car. I am kind of an impatient. Driver. Maybe there's something that I do in my car, and every single thing we listed off as a possible thing that people do as a jerk move. You're like, yeah. I do that car though in the car. A very polite car, you know, very polite. Like a grandma which is also insulting. No, I don't drive like ram. Behind you leaning out the side trying to peer around and see if there's something keeping you going so slow for I just need to hit the gas and peel around you go the speed limit and wanna know the lane, I need to be I get into earliest possible. And I don't see the need to change your sexual times. Of course, I use my single amount of savage. There are two differs.

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