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"dale johnston" Discussed on And That's Why We Drink
"A net and todd torsos in a secluded cornfields. The most Ohio thing I can imagine. No. The remainder of their limbs and bodies were later found in various parts of the hocking river fuck. So don't go swimming there. When you're there will not the I suspect was Dale Johnston who was Annette Stepfather Rumors spread that deal was jealous of that's relationship with todd because deal wanted her offer himself. Vomit toast us. Dale Johnston was convicted of the murders and sentenced to the death penalty. Johnson was released from prison in nineteen ninety but did not receive his declaration of wrongful convention of conviction until two thousand eight and this came out after two men admitted to the murders. Okay. So I take back what I said about John, sorry? Oh. No. As a result of this murder Halloween was canceled in the year nineteen eighty-four and still to this day takes place before dark because the urban tale is that if you're caught trick or treating after dark, you'll be murdered and chopped up and thrown into the river. You can find a lot more on this case if you like oxygen even shot buried in the backyard bonus episode. This is the story of the hocking hills murder. Stay safe where a mask wear a mask and don't go trick or treating after dark or you may get murdered. And that's That's really wild because clearly the week this comes out I will be in hocking hills in Logan. Like listen if not great. You did that and you didn't even know you did that didn't even know Oh my God I don't love that at all I. Do I think it's great? I mean I know you do but I will say I have. So you know how? This deep seated fear where I look under hotel beds. you know me and lemon don't know about that. Last year when we were on tour blazed got me for I. Think it was Christmas or something. Got Me this like alarm for hotels where you put it against the door. So if anybody like opens the door off this like blaring alarm. Alarm and I'm like. Like most definitely taking that with me on this trip is now I'm really sincerely freaked out. Another petrified fruit under the bed, you'll know it's a sign. Oh. No. So. I have a an email here. This is from potentially anonymous. It seems I don't WanNa say their name just in case. And say. Hey y'all listen I'm late to the game, but I'm on episode eighty three. So I'm catching up. I really hope y'all still do listener stories will now we apparently do multiple listener story. Welcome to our first ever second of the month listeners episode. It's like they knew it's like everyone knew except. What else do? I actually had been skipping over the listeners stories in the beginning. I don't know people a lot of people do that. These are some of my favorites personally but. I actually been skipping the listeners stories in the beginning, but I recently listened to the one on the upside down man and b. e. k. and oh my chills. Those are the ones where you were like yeah. Now should get into it. Yeah, I. Guess these are also very scary. I guess they're traumatic enough that I should get into this. Yes, and now I must go back and listen to all the listeners stories that I skipped. My favorite thing now is how y'all react to the stories being that it's the first I'm y'all have read them and I really. Hope, my story gets for one because it's a little wild ride and for two I can't wait to hear reactions to all the fucked up in the story. So fingers crossed buckle up and let's crack into it. I love it i..
"dale johnston" Discussed on Wrongful Conviction Podcasts
"That below zero comb waiting for a chance to get into here all the salacious details of this horrific murder of a teenage couple who were found. Dismembered parts of their bodies buried in a cornfield near the hocking river in Logan Ohio wow, this is a really brutal crime your body parts buried in fields and the prosecutors claimed that Johnson committed these murders and putting aside what his motive would have been How did they claim? He committed the murders The prosecutor alleged in scenario that Dale Johnston had. Kidnapped these two kids in downtown. Logan made a stop on his way home at a doctor's office ANDRO, mantras trailer where they got into an argument about. A little used car that the parents were supposed to have given a net but hadn't yet and out of that argument Dale went into A. JEALOUS FIT and out a gun which they never found and. Shot his stepdaughter into boyfriend and then took them outside apparently and. Butchered them. And then brought him back to downtown Logan when they lastman scene. And put some body parts, heads and limbs in the Cornfield I. Mean it just it? It made absolutely no sense had no evidence. That he was actually Macintosh at night into bury these bodies. That's what they elect. Dale was. Not a warm guy I mean he you know he was the outsider he didn't have a high opinion of the locals. They didn't like him. You know he was convenient guide for them to hanging on. So build did anyone think that Dell was innocent I mean what was your sense of of the you know atmosphere surrounding the case There was such an atmosphere of the case having been already tried in the court of public opinion before the trial even started more than a year pass between the murderers in the trial and obviously the only story coming out of the investigation was Dale Johnston did it so that in effect why the defense waved at jury trial and asked for a three judge panel because they knew that that people in. Hocking, county where so predisposed. To believe the Delta Johnson was killer..
"dale johnston" Discussed on Wrongful Conviction Podcasts
"This sounds unbelievable. But you see the judges are nodding along. There's no whether buying this. Is there a after a very short deliberation? The judges apparently believed the testimony of the Prosecution's anthropologists who put you right at the scene of the crime. They convict you. And you are sentenced to death. The store you just heard is based on the murder of a net cooper, Johnston and todd. Schultz. Dale Johnston was wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four. He was exonerated in nineteen ninety. Over twenty years after the murder, the true killer finally confessed. But even then the people in the town of Logan still chose to believe the deal was guilty in one way or another. On today's episode, we're going to examine how supposed footprint put an innocent man on death row. I'm Josh Dugan Civil Rights and Criminal Defense Attorney and Innocence Ambassador to the Innocence Project New York. Today, on wrongful conviction junk science, we examined footwear comparison evidence even when done correctly impression analysis of evidence like shoeprints and tire tracks as purely subjective. Many experts recognize its limitations but one. So called expert in particular push the limits of this forensic discipline to produce horrific outcomes. It turns out the Dale Johnson wasn't the only innocent person to be convicted of a crime based on faulty footwork comparison evidence. We create these podcasts with the aim to educate as well as to inspire action. Now, we'd love to hear from you. We'd love for other listeners hear what you've been inspired by winless into these incredible human stories and what you've been inspired to do. Have you written a letter talk to a friend or parent about it? Have you donated money or dedicate some of your time? What's he? Gore story. Come leave all of us. Note in the Review Section of Apple podcasts tell us how you've been moved. And remember, and I truly mean this no action. No story is too small to share. What's yours? In nineteen seventy-six archaeologists made one of the most exciting discoveries of our time. They've found footprints dating back three point seven million years immortalized in the volcanic gash in. Tanzania. And they looked like, Human Brent's. Archaeologists were thrilled. They thought these footprints shed some light on when Human Beings began walking upright on two feet. Lewis Robbins was an anthropology professor at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. She too was excited about these footprints and want to know exactly who left them behind. Louisa been acting her own studies footprint analysis. She started collecting footprints from people who still alive five hundred people put ink onto their feet and then stood on a piece of paper. Based on. Those prince. Louis. Tried to find characteristics and feet that were specific to age sex stature and weight using her own system of measurement. She would then compare those characteristics the footprints found in the caves her conclusion. No to footprints are the same. In fact, she thought she could tell a great deal about a person just by looking at their footprint. Her methods were never tested by their peers. Nor were they confirmed by other scientists but Louise, she thought she was onto something she claimed do something no one else could identify a person solely through their footprint. And so in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, eight, when a team of scientists went to excavate the site in Tanzania where the prehistoric footprints were found. Lewis. went to. When she saw the prince, she claimed that one of them was left by a woman that was five and a half months pregnant. Now, other scientists on the expedition scratched their heads. It was hard enough to figure out if the prince that they were looking at were. At all no one had ever claimed to know the gender of the person that made the print. Let alone of that person was carrying a child. Then Louise took a dangerous leap. She positions herself as a forensic expert authoring a book footprints. She didn't write this book with her. Peers in mind but charade for law enforcement and crime labs. Only. Five pages in this book were dedicated the analysis of actual shoeprints and yet based on these five pages Luiz claim that she was an expert in this area of forensic science. Lawyers began to hire her as an expert witness. They told judges that her work was on the cutting edge of forensic science. Critics over war called it Cinderella analysis after all she usually made sure that the shoe fit when she matched the suspects foot to the shoeprints found at a crime scene. In the more than twenty cases for which she testified twelve people, some of whom have since been proven to be innocent or sent to prison. Including Dale Johnston who was sentenced to death. A Dale Johnson and his wife Sarah at the time. Down to Logan several days after the bodies have been discovered and the they came to the local police department, they wanted to be helpful to them and Dale immediately taken up to an interrogation room. Is boots and the his pants shirt. We're all confiscated. So he was sitting there in the chair in his underwear and they were bombarding. If you did it didn't you? We know you did and over and over again he gives they know I have nothing I just came I came into the. Try to help. Here today is billow since key a journalist who covered the Dell, Johnson case for years and wrote a book about it called guilty by popular demand. So bill tell us a little bit about yourself and how you started covering this case. For nearly forty years I was a reporter worked for eleven different newspapers around the country. I. Worked for the Akron Beacon Journal that time, which is nearly two hundred miles away from Logano where the murders took place. But in those days, newspapers valued a major story and would make that kind of investment in time and resources to cover a a widely publicized case like that. So bill you actually went to Logan Ohio to Coverdale's trial. What was that like? Drove into Logan, which is about five miles south of Columbus Ohio never been there before and I drove in on a January morning and it was one of the coldest days I can't remember temperatures were well below zero and I went to the Center of the little town and found the courthouse in here. You know eight o'clock on a weekday morning news a line outside the courthouse people were standing in.
"dale johnston" Discussed on The Adam Carolla Show
"They had they had an ESPN thirty for thirty on it and they left out the Hasselhoff Concert Man. How DARE YOU ESPN well? It was like that night. I here's the thing about pay per views. Don't you buy them a week in advance or or something right impulse? How disappointed with the people that had all the Hasselhoff? Party's plan sports bars or doing the Hasselhoff. Watch PARTIES BIG STUPID. Oj Oh man we out like OJ was wrapped up by seven thirty eight. I think it went. Wow did it go? I didn't go all night on the east coast. That's true Right pictured them going down the freeway and everybody like all right anyway so this final corona virus news piece. I'm not going to say it as news piece. I'm GonNa give you just I guess. A piece of Trivia Weird Al Yankovic has tweeted that. There is one song he won't do. The fans are asking for it. They want it. The Corona Virus Corona and their Mascot Corona tweeted. Yeah no roadhouse not virtually nothing weird weird how Amish Paradise I'll fight. Well maybe I agree with you. Ninety nine point nine percent of the time not not not what you part ways. Well if I answer I love how he has the same hair that Debbie Wasserman Schultz had before. She got it hot ironed. You can find me. You know you know th this whole boy thing. It's a slippery slope because now I'M GONNA BE ASKING. You for TAT tat. You know photo shopping. Fine Debbie Wasserman Schultz's hair when it looked like weird AL's hair and don't you remember feeling really sorry for Weird Al when we found out that you may have more money than he does home though. That's that back on the Weird Al Bandwagon. I draw the line at that. What's my network? That's supposed to be the same as Weird. Al's it was not a chasm that may have been were. I heard him undocumented. When I was in the seventh Grad served much more. There's better than he. He came up with my Bologna right. That's right I lost on jeopardy either. I'm fat I keep going God so Timothy Hutton. We brought him up the other day and now he has some things to say. He claims the woman who accused him of rape is extorting him so this week. Sarah Dale Johnston told Buzzfeed News. The actor assaulted her nineteen eighty three when she was fourteen years old. Now Hutton denies the claims and is threatening to sue buzzfeed for defamation in a statement. He says for the past two and a half years. I've been at the target of multiple extortion temps by a woman named Sarah. Dale Johnston to extract millions of dollars from me. She threatened that if I did not meet her demands. She would go to the press of the false allegation that is sexually assaulted her thirty seven years ago in Canada. Does everyone do such a the Sorta horrible sexual assault math ideas. Tim Hunt and come on and she's fourteen coins. Excuse a fourteen year old model and you hear the word model and they go okay. Mr Epstein knows plausible. She's SPLUR- yeah every time I hear a word or two attached to it and then when I hear the friend was like in the room to go Now starting to sound like something because I'm not sure where that guy comes from. You know it's like if you're trying to pin it on Hutton and maybe are but if you're trying to pin it on Hutton y you bring up a third party. Is there in the room or why would you go like with my friends and we went up to the room. And then there's another guy and he was there because if those people are live than someone can go run around and they could say nine talking about kind of screw story. It's just you going up to room with Hutton alone. There's really no one firm right so he said He went to the FBI. Signed a sworn statement and file criminal complaint against her for extortion and now his show's been canceled. Almost family The same day the buzzfeed report was posted. I don't know how much this exists but I don't feel like much exists in a. I don't I don't believe there's a lot of one and done in our society when it comes to rape and yeah it's not like Jimmy Orleans doors. Jim Norton's like I got shit on by one. Hawker and that was enough for me. Now there's things you do other things you do you know and the guys you know the guys who extort money from their place of work. Well you've you've looked into their shit. There were working at a seven eleven and getting into the till you know in their young like this kind of thing the guy who put their hands on a woman the man who hits a woman. That's a lifelong commitment is not if I hit her the one time and then my system like that or the people of beat their kids beat their kids like the rape or so what. I want to know when I'm always curious about or rob a bank or anything you just. You don't Rob One bank rob- nineteen banks and you get caught but the amount of people got a Dui have have drove drunk seven hundred thousand times before they got pulled over the one right okay so if this Guy Tim. Munton doesn't put anything together between twenty two and fifty nine than it makes me think this isn't his scene right. You know what I mean like. It's not that's not who he is. Because if if you are Weinstein you are Weinstein or your your worst. You're David Spade. Ever Stop Banging Twenty six year old hot. Blondes you're still bitter about not getting booked on lights out. You're listening to what I'm saying. He has it he has the galaxy likes. He has a mode of the board. But I mean it looks good looking long term you know. Ask any of the good ones in town that he's bank like that's what he does. Is that the shot. The most shocking part of this story to me was timothy. Hutton had a show yes. That's the sad part Solos. Were not aware of this. Take Hutton's thing and you sprinkle in some more allegations along the way and perhaps we will because sort of how these things start usually right So we'll see where where is his buddy who was in the room like where are these people. The only thing we're going off of the only thing anyone is going off right now. Is this buzzfeed article. So until somebody would like to refute that or add to that. That's all we have We'll see what happens. Antonio's sabado junior in the news claiming his support of Donald Trump during the two thousand sixteen election has killed his career in an interview with variety. He said he had to sell everything and move almost podcast every day after he spoke at the RNC for years ago Antonio said he was blacklisted. From all his His representatives left him managers agents commercial. Agents Sabado start on Melrose place bold and the beautiful and had thirty year acting career. He claims he was cut from a reality show because of his political beliefs. Now he's living in Florida construction or working in construction. Take that shirt off back in business. Well much like you say you know what it comes down to finance works like should we cut this show successful or if you cut the show at Timothy Hutton show. Your success is going to depend on. How employ how much they want to keep? You didn't really hurt Clint Eastwood. He's making more movies than before you know we asked before though he spoke at the NC. Like I think Tony Junior being spot a junior probably hurt his career. I here's my feeling on that. It doesn't if you don't keep your around. It doesn't hurt for the people at the top of the food. Chain like the very tom like. A Clint Eastwood doesn't probably hurts his reviews a little bit. But doesn't really hurt in your business if you could go if we could if you're in the middle and we could take your leave you then you might get then. There is some if they're looking for but it's they call it like office politics or something like the guy who's just a master programmer. That guy doesn't have to do any politicking in the office and the Kelly Girl. The bottom of the totem pole doesn't really need much. Everyone who lives in between it's got a little little politicking and it's not like his career was based on his looks. He's older now. So you're looks we don't we don't need you as much when you're staking it on a vibe look so bad at the savage. I look up but why do we need Antonio Sabado junior when Brad Williams is an home all about otherwise known as a barrel boy? No He's right but it also doesn't make or break you don't get it. Stayed affects it. Here's a clip from his speech addressing the RNC in two thousand sixteen is Pretty Sorry reloading kind of He. You know. He's I believe that his mom is from Prague and his father's from Italy. I'm sorry yeah. Was He killing it? Beforehand like was last heard the name I saw a contestant on celebrity chopped is my so there you go. I should on your point ball Brian. Here we go so still queuing up. Well also here so think there's also an invisible kind of celebrity where you do things that we never say that our corporate you're kinda working talion film or whatever. It is still a big trump supporter. He says the country's doing fantastic I think he'll be elected by one hundred million votes so it's not like he's backing off. Trump get trump should do trump studios. Oh man all the trump actors just come together. So it's like starring Jon Voight Antonio's D'Amato junior Kat von right. Buffy the vampire slayer all yeah. That's good yeah. Which is Kristy Swanson? We put them when they start doing productions. You know I mean having a roster back in the golden age of Hollywood stars he trump put his name on everything else. Why wouldn't duty is and Beef Studio Junior? Iraq's and Cameos and we we have a whole they break off and rate their own island of Entertainment Ivanka. Yeah They I. I wonder if then if that were to happen. Which is a great idea. By the way if like would struggling actors that were on the left suddenly witch and go to the right darn so bad. It's going great. Well Great Ricky Gervais said at the Hollywood. Foreign press thing if isis or golden gloves if isis put hung their shingle out started production company. Many would have your agents call it like there was good work and good projects. Find a way there. I mean I mean the churches. Scientology has their own network actors. Are doing that really well. Kirk Cameron onboard. Okay Mel Gibson. We start reaching out to fast food places for product. You know what I mean. Don't stay out of Atlanta. If you're looking for banks to close to Tyler Perry's yeah that's fine room and Kentucky for all of you are still dying to hear Antonio Junior here it is. I.
"dale johnston" Discussed on Rock N Roll Archaeology
"And that was Daniel Johnson's version of rocket ship. And Kathy McCarthy's cover version of that song and talk about Kathy with a little bit and and to me it's like just a classic rock and roll story. The Way Daniel comes to town makes a name for himself and swoops up one of the biggest stars of the scene Kathy McCarthy and they even given the uniqueness of Daniel Johnson's lifestyle briefly item. Yeah well you know at the time was You know the hot Austin Band. Daniel admired them joan on them and she she She dogging back. She was probably one of the first people to get those tapes and she fell in love with The artist I before she realized that what the person she was dealing with Was definitely difficult. What's so That stories well told in the film. I think the the better story is what happens with Gang does best friend in the film. And real life of course Dave thornberry The poet from West Virginia who steals art buddy and I love how ultimately Daniel Couldn't have Kathy. But then his best friend ends up marrying chaffey and they're still together in Austin right now so I think that's a beautiful love story Says a lot about Daniel and his unrequited love theme and also. Cathy goes on to record a full album of Daniel songs. The first person to do that in Nineteen Ninety Four. And you know like she says in the movie she thinks that's her best work and the and the thing she'll be remembered for it and you know in the nineties. I think That album did overshadow daniels work because he was in and out of mental institutions and had a pretty bad deal with Atlantic records that kind of buried him for a while. And and for me. I know playing Kathy McCarthy's version Was a great way to explain Daniel. That people like you play these songs and this is a really good album and then you tell them about Dan rather than seventy times trying to play him. Daniel for people that just weren't prepared for the Lo fi sound and that's another thing. I wanted to talk a little bit about is is Daniel's place in what became known as the Lo fi movement. Yeah well there's there's two conversations to be had I mean the whole the cover version thing is kind of amazing because though I personally prefer my Dana Johnston raw and real and I really enjoy listening to stress cassettes more than the covers. It's amazing how many covers have been recorded and like you know in cafes literally next Friday night Or on world you know. Young people are covering Daniel Justin right now and we're talking tens of thousands so this is a real phenomenon that's been going on not just died recently. It's been going on for a long time and when you see so. Many great artists moved by Daniel whether it was Sonic boom of spacemen. Three or Jason Spacemen. Three and spiritualized covering him and things like that that really they zoned in on You know certain tracks like true level. Find you in the end Those are just so universal great. They're they're becoming very much like woody. Guthrie songs like it's part of the great American songbook and that would really I think moves me definitely. Introduces people you know. I think Nick Cave is recently. It's been covering Daniel. The list is endless But there's not hundreds and hundreds of people around the world and cafes Friday night to my knowledge covering Nick Cave interesting okay. So you know. We're trying to tell you. I think it's great these. Are you know often? Great Artists Acknowledging another great artist and then lovely and it keeps spreading. But you know Daniels now. Finally taken his proper place in that rare Mount Rushmore of super great artists that I've always said he was He belonged in. Which of course is you know. He's right up there with dealing writer. He's right up there with Brian Wilson. He's right up there with Lou Reed you know and people was insane for saying these things back. Then you know. But that's what I felt so It took an independent voice and independent film to to to make that message and put it out there certainly really so magazine times at the time was never going to tell you that and You know it was treated very much like Fulton's folly. When we were making the film some people thought we were absolutely insane for spending one million dollars on Daniel Johnston and I'm glad that I did so. Yes we are too and yeah. It's it's interesting. The aversion to people to Daniel send people have just because of the way. The stress cassettes were originally presented its low recorded on. Cassette. It's Lo fi quality his. He's fairly erratic singer The performances vary wildly in quality. In you know especially back in the day when we would trade tapes around town because Dan would record these things sometimes and you would have the same cassette and you thought you had the same because of that and then you'd hear somebody else play it and you'd be like that's not the one that's not the that's not done in the new year and you're like holy crap. He did this whole thing over which is something that hasn't been done by recording artists. Since the day of you know Edison and and yeah and anyway it's it's just been a fast anything to me to see the different reactions to Daniel based on how it's presented and it's amazing. How much having documentary. That's obviously a great film overwhelmed those objections and so you know thank you for bringing Daniel to so many people and but the Lo fi like. He came along at a time when Lo fi was just beginning to be a thing where where there were few artists Jandak and a few other people that were recording things at home and putting him out on cassette. And you had also a string of sort of barack artists who had burned out like syd Barrett and and skip spence of moby grape and rock Ericsson and then their recordings took on kind of this naive our quality in a way people didn't know how much in control of his abilities and Daniel kind of was on the absolute cutting edge of that and then fair who collaborated with them. And who've you've also documented in in another great film that people probably haven't seen but it's on DVD. You can still get the band who would be king highly recommended. Can you talk a little bit about the relationship between Daniel and Jad fair and the Daniels able to plug himself into this nationwide network of underground artists? Sure I mean we wanted to touch on the low fighting just briefly so I don't know I think is interesting in know it became a tag. You know and people need tags. You know you know genres and things like that. I don't think the mediums ever the message so laws but whatever. If that's what got him some ink that was fine but he he was a real innovator because you know unlike springsteen who latched on early to the task him for track set in made Nebraska. You Know Day of top that Daniel went further gained took just a standard cassette recorder. But he was an incredible innovator with it because he did over dubbing. You know which you don't necessarily or you're not really able to do dubbing with two independent cassette decks so he picked up a lot of room ambience and things like that and it's obviously He had one tiny microphone to plug in. And it didn't get in the way at all of of those field recordings in in many ways he was sort of like a modern day. Self documenting like Alan Lomax. You know recording like Robert Johnson who stood in a corner and made with mono like a false stereo using the ninety degrees at the walls. I don't know if you're aware of that or not. So yes so. Daniel did his own thing and it had its own ambiance and an aesthetic And you know Ba- like you mentioned those tapes were dubbed. So you're getting you know. Second sometimes third generation Dale Johnston and he definitely was yet. I I used to say you had to squeeze your years through. Hess to hear his incredible piano playing in the incredible motion songwriter. But that was part of the fun. You know Now you know a lot of those masters have been better than they're up there up on all the streaming sites and you don't have as much of that problem and I.
"dale johnston" Discussed on WGR 550 Sports Radio
"Hang out with us thank you so visible form of full season is going to get started this weekend and one ball that always gets everybody's attention is the one Dalat to pay attention to because they like look this will keep getting better and better each and every year that's the celebration bowl down in Atlanta Georgia as all going through to take on North Carolina a and see the man to be part of that coverage at noon eastern time having a set is on the twenty first at all manage a Walker one of the best place to play an H. B. C. U. football bomb into a Jay Walker Scott and he joins us here on Freddie aphids Simmons day you've been associate with this game you been associate with black college football you got these two teams that have developed some kind of rivalry with those who don't know how intense could this game be between two teams we don't play in the same conference it's got everything that you want in a bowl game in a big time matchup that's recall about any time to talk about a national championship football game got account and I think for all call more than any other team are seeing this carried the chip on the shoulder from losing a North Carolina ANC all offseason all regular season the SWAC championship game they would have their minds set on one goal that was rude demon the lost except in North Carolina a and C. last year by two points and I think they're better prepared this year to go out and try to claim that H. B. C. U. national championship Jay my sister's North Carolina a and T. grad and I was just at North Carolina central never tell me out North Carolina a and T. is such a big rival used in Alcorn state wants to get the big game big win what is it about that team and North Carolina a and T. work everybody seems to want a piece of it is you know are you selling got some family there I said it was one of the broadcast the hottest HBCU in the country and I get in trouble for this is North Carolina a there now the largest HBCU in the country they've got one of the best looking campus in the latest issue of the country think about this from a FCS school they have a draft pick in each of the last three years we'll talk about three cold Brandon Parker Dale Johnston every year again somebody drastic so when you start to become the mayor well you know everybody wants to knock off the man so there's a lot of hate against North Carolina that act pride both rob H. B. C. landscape that is start with Carolina central central could get it done now eight years as well what I think rightfully so they do a good job at you try my daughter does there now let you know what I I hate that after L. hot they are to them how that through a through but they are chancellor Martin given credit there Roland they take in the moment and they've got a little celebration bowl I think what's unique about that is when they want to the first celebration boulder chancellor sense of March the weirdo users to market this to say that H. B. C. use can be more than just academics in more than just dance we can have a top tier football program with the value we're gonna get some playing this game and they ran with it of the day if this plan with all the way through knocking off these Carolina when money gains a into your hot but all Cordelia none of that J. Walker age you you know part of the celebration bowl coverage on ABC no need to top between North Carolina anti now going state a Mercedes Benz stayed in Atlanta day walking joining us here on Friday if its image of Reddy Coleman is mine to Kevin for input Simmons and ESPN radio I have a cause of my ray no pre law who is a proud North Carolina NC graduate she is not trying to hear about all points state by only beating her team by me having a chance to right that wrong against a team she's not trying to hear but this all cost eighteen on the Fred McNear has been really really good what is about what prepping has been able to do to revitalize the Braves down to Mississippi I will admit they set a standard always so you can have all four six football are have their somewhere around these older brother they've got to McNair's now the play wide receiver form speeds nephew entrance on so they've got a couple they're on the roster that's what they do but the cashier did a good job of just being himself and why I think there's so much different this year than previous years they control football American this they had a quarterback that going into the season was preseason all conference also to play the on the flag he goes down we three of the season they bring it up backed up in the backup quarterback goes on to become the SWAC office you played here still it's hard he's a lot like Pat white member Pat white of West Virginia well that's his quarterback coach at all cool so he played like it so now the threat of the past more so it helped all court and they're more of a balance office they were in in the previous years and I think that's why they walk around will swear like air by saying a if you expect here on paper but all court when I look at it the match ups they may have the advantage you mentioned Steve McNair and I just wonder if people really understand like what he was at Alcorn state in and how bored he was do you think that he gets enough credit just for the miraculous things he did when he was a quarterback at the university hello yes and no I think you start to get it now in hindsight I mean you got free by aegis that became inducted into the college football hall of fame but those of us that play not played against the New York H. B. sing football the what's the error fail became the NFL MVP you don't get that but being an average quarterback when you play FCS football you have to dominate to get a fair shot Nina failed he dominated S. yes he dominated when he's in a spell optic you know they Marjorie we talk about the modern era greatest college quarterbacks I go to MC building I go see but yeah one of things that you just mentioned because you understanding about a Jay walking ESPN football else with Freddie coming of my make up on Freddie if it's Simmons and ESPN radio as soon as I can tell eighty how much of what you just said and now a new generation of young men about the place H. B. C. U. football about the revitalize the convict the continue to renaissance HBCU football how much of that could be tied to Steve McNair a young man finding out about him now actually sold to me when you look at like that there's been a note eight you see your role or download the client for awhile but now I I do wanna give credit like the celebration bowl it really does make an impact you talk about eighties global dead like eighteen thousand kids apply for like a thousand Spock's all across the board you look AT HBCU football it started to the enrollment is going to you know you talk about Darius later it is so good to be here last year with the South Carolina state I was watching the saints game on Thursday when drew Brees broke the record his star left tackle salon or stay with universal this all possible so we all know as a football player just want to get a chance to get to the next level and that'll take you realize that it makes you see what we always know you can get to the next level if your calendars there and you can also get educated in a different perspective on the social perspective which people say Americans more divided than ever before well that's the case then if you want to escalate it so you want to get a bigger taxation then why would you consider going to amaze me see you how much this game really me not in terms of H. B. C. U. M. people support HBCU football well for those who don't know how significant the celebration bowl has become well financially on it's a lot you know the the each change its million dollars committed to this guy which is kind of you know on heard of any SPS program across the country but the bragging rights for me it's always been you know when I went to how we will to the playoffs but certain ones slack and they said they would beat us so it is a big time black and white it's almost like the big can go on going at it with the FCC every year in this so we don't bring together that match up they see who is the better team you all played out on the field and then it is a speech you football the halftime show will be phenomenal the big bad apart to get ready for months in particular that you got some good bands are called look delineated please bear the most improved band I see in the last five years going to go all going to get the sounds of dynamite all port St it you know if you got split household so they really have to this game I really like about it is like they barely like me at this game we what made you a four there you know you'd be to step outside you would not about a well they have a problem you begin to close so that's how we started to become and it's going to be a fantastic game to me champion North Carolina a and T. they'll take on this backstabbing all going state the two thousand nineteen celebration bowl noon eastern time on ABC I sat in some of twenty first North Carolina AT least a service to the one they won the last two meetings between these two in the celebration bowl two thousand fifteen and two thousand eighteen and my med J. Walker be a part of the coverage on ABC Itamar toward a Jay Walker Scott graced the by him joining Freddie Coleman my Metcalf one Freddie effort Simmons Jake can't wait for Saturday well the two maybe we'll go to mail a letter said you because your me I got you take care and enjoy the game in America Bowman I'm I'm six four two and six thank you have a great holiday to brother always very well yeah let's look back to you my friend yeah Jay Walker is not sleight of frame and he is not going to fool around one of the nicest guys knows college football notes H. B. C. U. football but don't let the small taste for you he's got to get that behind a little bit he's going to Hey I know I know you will indefinitely celebration bowl some to watch yeah but there's another thing to celebrate with them I believe on the show was that I believe someone as a birthday yes Fred Freddie Cole is fifty four years.
"dale johnston" Discussed on Chicago's Business Authority
"Way is easier. Chris Myers along with Dale Johnston. L Laura in at the stubhub center. Today the cardinals and the chargers, and we were joking earlier Chris because it's always a story about who. Who's everybody rooting for in a game at stubhub center. But I'll ask it this way. You know, the chargers were away from that building for five weeks and didn't lose and then they came back last week, and they really put out stinker and ended up losing one. I just being around the team this week. Do you get a sense that any frustration is starting to build about a team not really having a home? Yeah. I do Philip rivers may be the best one of the best quarterbacks ever to play the Super Bowl. And the chargers are one of the best teams currently without a true home fan base. And in rivers kind of mentioned that what we talked to him this week getting ready for this game that didn't use it as an excuse. You said we appreciate the do show up. But he said we really don't have the whole field advantage. That other teams have we've had to adjust to that whatever that means. Now his view was once the game starts we we play on. But yeah, it's it's a it's a it's something that other teams do have at that. They don't have. And I I don't think they got another season before they get to the new stadium in in Los Angeles there with the Rams if they will share and hopefully as they continue to have success, and they have a lot of players to root for and this is an exciting team to watch this offense and rivers putting up terrific numbers. I I think they have more fans scattered around the country than they do showing up in their own home games. You know, what's interesting about this? Chargers defense had been underrated through this season. They lost Joey Bosa to a. Foot injury to start the year. But they've they've done their part. But they now lose Denzel Perryman in the middle of the defense. Two games going Corey Legia for the season a game ago. And so we're both coming off the shelf and getting about thirty snaps last week where we at defensively how good are they gonna look today against the cardinals. I think they'll be okay, especially because the cardinals offensive line are actually starting a rookie tackle with Humphries going up against a DJ Humphry says a knee injury. So he is out of the game for the Arizona Cardinals. Offense polish should have a big game though, he won't play the the full, you know, the normal. If he was healthy seventy seventy five snap one hundred percent healthy, but he'll get more than the thirty. Or so that he got last week and Damian square who filled in for him on the end. And did a nice job. What kinda help the middle? Corey legit injury up. It's a very good defense effect is pool with tremendous balance one of the few teams there's only three including the chargers that are in the top ten in offense. Defense when it comes to scoring and and they've they've been much better about protecting the football and their defense is taken it away. So I I don't think that'll be a problem in this game coming up brutal schedule with the Steelers of the chiefs of that'll be a much better test for this. Chris Myers with us cardinals. Chargers later today on FOX what about Melvin Gordon? Chris it sounded like it was trending toward maybe giving him a day of rest for some nagging injuries. Then he talked to the coaches and convince them to let them play their schedule gets really hard in December. They're going to need a healthy. Melvin gordon. What went into that decision today? That's a very important point yet battling hamstring and a knee. And I think you'll see him. They they've liked to try to get him in an echo around on the field at the same time and in some spots, but you'll see a little bit. I think if they get commander this game, which they hoped to then they'll be able to rest him and set him up. But he he's an important part carries the word. Workload not only on the ground. But in the air as well there's little dump off fascist. There's actually Philip rivers has helped him other than last week when he got a couple of interceptions rivers in terms of cutback on the turnovers not forced the ball downfield. Although they still have the the big playability. And how about the quarterback on the other side of the field with cardinals rookie quarterback? Josh rosen. You could say a lot about a rookie quarterback. It's a steep learning curve, and then the offensive line like you mentioned they've endured tons of injuries. The running game took a long time to get rolling a firing of an offensive coordinator and an advancement Viren left, which what do we think of Rosen overall this season? I can tell you that having covered them a little bit at UCLA. He's a lot healthier ready credits. The training staff strength and conditioning coach with helping him with a customized approach, but his arm elbow. So there hasn't been any physical problems other than humidity the protection on the on the opposite line, and it's rookie. Corey cunningham. I couldn't take stepping in at that left tackle spot for Humphrey. So thought because Russia, but you know, Rosen he grew up in Manhattan beach coming back to actually last time. He was in this building to play football. He led his high school to a championship. Win said he used to play some tennis here as well as the growing up. So he little more of a personal touch excited to come back to this area, and Larry FitzGerald. He's got. He's really connected affect he tried to recruit him at UCLA Christian Kirk went to Texas them and the emerging receiver who is also a rookie and those could be a lethal combo down the road. But I'm impressed with Russia. If he gets the protection, he's he's becoming more vocal on the offensive by that, basically, he's understanding give it to me. Ability to audible line of scrimmage and David Johnson. That's the biggest thing with left which he's become more involved in the offense. Like he he was when he was healthy Bruce Arians offense. And that's made a difference. Chris great stuff. We appreciate you checking in. We'll be looking for the cardinals. And chargers later today. Another another test for the chargers have both really blew it last Sunday. But good talking to you guys. Yeah. Definitely chris. Thanks so much. Yeah. And he's absolutely right. I remember saying to you as we were departing last week. The chargers have a really difficult December. But they're going to be nine into going into. It turns out maybe they'll be eight and three. That's if they win today because that was an odd game last week. They controlled it. The whole way had some funny turnovers missed an extra point and then gave the defense at home. An opportunity facing case keenum to simply not let them go. The entire length of the field with two minutes to go. Couldn't stop them. Broncos win. I mean, and there was a long field goal that needed to be made to win that football game. But still a head scratcher, and that's one that charger fans have been dealing with for a long time. This is a team that routinely gets you in shape to think that they're going to finally make the big run and then somewhere along the way whether it's to an inferior talent or to a team that they need to beat advance. They get that Matt loss where you're you're looking at and it's either four interceptions or five interceptions. You're saying how could you be you know, that that that careless with the ball, or you know, penalties are just missed opportunities. Whatever may be it's been it's been an odd path. Rivers has not if it navigated with this team was a familiar story, but not this year. That's what was different this year. They were seven and two they even had some games where they didn't look that great. I can think of the one in London where they held off the titans there at the end of one by one point where you're like, oh, they didn't look that good. But they still found a way to win the game. Normally, it's the other way around last week was the first example of that this year chargers fall to seven and three. And if they got any is on the division at all. Now, they're probably gonna have to win if not all most of their games arrested away including a game at Arrowhead against the chiefs. Don't know if I love their chances there, but a wildcard is certainly still likely for the chargers. Okay. Fantasy ticker in a minute before we do that though. Did you see this the Maria's Randall of the Brown's got an interception today of Andy Dalton right? He got it over by the Bengals sideline. He caught the ball and immediately seemingly purposefully ran out of bounds right at a chosen spot. Right in front of Hugh Jackson and handed him the ball. Wow. And then turn around and ran away. Do you see that as a hey coach how you doing like nod or do you see that? As like, hey, coach how you doing? Well, it depends on their relationship. I know in that locker room, it seemed like a lot of the players like them, I use the players coach. And I was part of the reason why think now has some family kept them around as long as they did. Because the guys the guys liked playing forum and they seem to play hard. Remember this was Harper. This wasn't like the Browns are getting absolutely mopped up every single week. They were losing a lot of close games, especially during that one in thirty one run they went on prior to drafting Baker Mayfield. And then what's ensued this season? But yeah, so I think it was probably friendlier than we think we'll get our answers post game. Because that that questions coming up you go to. To Jackson Maria's read or may not be these two typical winner of this game. However EPA is gonna wanna talk to you this game. And again the Browns are having their way so far twenty eight to seven out half the second half getting underway for a lot of these early games. We'll get the table set for that. And the fantasy ticker coming up next red zone radio. Fox Sports radio. I'm very very excited about.
"dale johnston" Discussed on This Week In Marvel
"One of my favorite movies. Yeah. I also have a bunker banzai. Man city craters I post no second post before versus rabbit like being able to get amazing new art for movies that mean so much to people is just so important. I think, you know, those of us who love films it helps to also these same also point passions. And the artists themselves has I will mitt. I was I was used by freaked. But Matthew Ryan, oh, please. Let me do a post for free DVD make this happen. Okay. Great. Pins? I wanna go back a little bit. And just the space that we're in now when did you guys open the gallery first show was March of two thousand twelve south by south west in two thousand twelve and it was all fi themed, you know, general blanket Sifi. So there was plenty of the apes Ming by Jason Anderson from flash Gordon, so yeah, it was just I think it was maybe like fifty or sixty artists that we work with a mix of posters and a mix of fine art of just anything Sifi. But yes, so we're going on six years now of having the gallery open and pretty regularly exhibits. Maybe every two to three months it's been a wild ride outside of this. You galleries their favorite like a personal favourite show that you've put together favorite favorite Mondo. I might want to say the first one actually just because such a wild crazy breadth of titles being attacked. We've got a doctor who poster we had a poster by cleaning doctor who dune. Yeah. The first one is crazy. Brazil from Nansen. Oh, and it's like this one of my favorite shows. I'm a huge marble junkie, and I always have been so this is a personal highlight. And then another marble show. We did that focus on the comics world of marvel back in twenty fifteen. L show and Mike's marble show we had to Mike Mitchell. He's an incredible artists. We did all portrait's seventy five portraits of these characters from the comics and all that. And it was really great. But universal monsters up there. We've done a lot on a senior bristle is your favorite shows, Kellyanne Godfather's your favorite movies. It's always going to be so perfect. There's a reason as well. It's justified. We know those are great shows. That's why we have them about every two years now. Yeah. The Mike Mitchell show, I just saw like the breath of what he did. And they're so good. I meant to follow up with them to get one of his docks. That was on top of the building. No, I didn't see what around the time about show. We just wanted. We always want to do something. That'll catch just passer bys is and Mike was like can we put a gigantic mode on top and just sitting on top of the building. So we printed out his portrait. I think it was maybe like ten feet or something this big plywood. Recreation of his artwork, and it was just sitting on top of this great photos gigantic mock sitting on top of the Mondo cow. The problem it was done. So well in the Texas sky was so blue that the first shots disciplined someone badly Photoshop Billick note that's legit notes to sharpen focus is there. I felt like I was big sniffle off concedes that actually might be my favorite show. Mike's portrait show all the Mondo employees dressed up for the opening on that. So we take a lot of fun photos of Saul and marvel 'cause play discipline. I was punisher. Did you dress up? Jim. How did you first start working with marble? I think the very first early days. We're like rob said, ironman, whatever the first ironman was coming out we got in touch directly or Cedo got got in touch with us the marketing department, and we send poster for that. I down junior film, and then subsequently as many new movies that came out. We would always be like, hey, can we do more? And we did that for a couple years until we finally agreed to convince them to let us have a license and got the comics license and all the films, and I think that was starting back in two thousand eleven we actually did two pushes for the first movie. The second one was a print of Dale Johnston. Join environment, which is really strange that got through with it..
"dale johnston" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"Molester. Well, all right, this. This is really sad that the young couple was the Lord to a cornfield near Kenny Lynn, Scott's house. Allegedly, after more partying went down McKnight was high on LSD and cocaine, and he told Lynn Scott that he was planning on raping a net and is sounds like Kenny Lyn Scott was into doing the same. The four of them left Lynn Scott's house. And when they left Lynch got handed a twenty two caliber revolver to Chester McKnight. And he said, if Todd Schultz puts up a fight us this gun to control him. Well, they did start to assault a net and as expected, Todd Schultz came to her rescue and started to protect his girlfriend and so- mcnutt McKnight shot Todd six times twice in the head and a net started to scream, and that's when MC. Night panicked, and shot her in the head and neck. The men then grabbed a machete from Lynn Scott's garage. They stripped the bodies McKnight masturbated over the body of the female victim wasn't prepared for that and Lyn Scott held the limbs while McKnight cut away at the bodies. At one point, McKnight apparently slipped badly cutting, Kenny, Lynn, Scott's arm. The men then loved the torsos to the riverbank and threw them into the Hocking river. Apparently the men washed up in the river and went back to Kenny Lynn, Scott's house. Afterwards. McKnight says he let the body parts li- saying that he left the home at some point and at some point, Kenny Lyn, Scott must have returned to the cornfield and buried the remaining limbs. Investigators withheld a witness report that a man not Johnston, followed the couple into. To the cornfield and then heard gunshots and screams that man that was reported to police back in hundred eighty two was Kenny Lyn Scott, but the caller didn't know Kenny, Lynn, Scott's name, right. This was the lead that should have been followed up on instead of honing in on Dale Johnston on September second, two thousand eight McKnight and Lyn. Scott were both indicted on charges of aggravated murder. McKnight demanded lethal injection to pay for his sins, but later ultimately accepted a pair of life sentences. He will die in prison with the case against him, shaky given mcknight's varying stories. So keep that in mind McKnight was giving multiple stories and confessions. It had been a long time, you know, I it had been over twenty years, right? Lynn, Scott forty, eight years of age at the time, pled guilty to abuse of a corpse and was released from prison after. Only serving ten months. So to put this in perspective, Dale Johnston who killed nobody served a longer sentence in prison for the death of his stepdaughter and her boyfriend then Kenny Lyn, Scott who participated actively and willingly participated in events that led up to the murder and led to the concealment of the murders right Johnston served more time than this guy. He lost everything and then Kenny Lyn, Scott, it's ten months. And both these killers actually remained free after killing these two young people longer than the victims lived on this planet. It's a sad, sad set of circumstances, but just because there's a rest and this case, that doesn't mean there's Justice, right? They're they're actually feels like there was no Justice in this case. Now, Kenneth, Robert Lyn Scott. Lot of Logan, Ohio passed away on Monday, November twenty. Fifth, two thousand thirteen at the age of fifty two. Do you have any recommended reading for us this week? You know that I do captain this week. We are recommending the acid king by Jesse p Pollock very, very exciting stuff. Captain. I cannot lie though. I have not actually read this book because it just came out yesterday, but I have ordered my copy and Jesse is a great author and a good friend of our show. We've had him on before the captain had him join the captain on our other great show off the record, and the acid king is about a murder in a small town that local police in the international press dubbed a satanic sacrifice. The short of it for teens went into the woods and only three came out the long of it, the murder became the subject of several popular songs and TV specials. Addressing the issue of whether or not American teens were practising satanism and debating the symbolism in songs by ACDC and Ozzy Osbourne. So make sure you check out the acid king and support our buddy. Jesse p Pollock and thanks to all of you for supporting the garage until next week. Be good, be kind and don't let.
"dale johnston" Discussed on True Crime Garage
"That Satan is killed. The victims the judge is permitted testimony from a specific witness in this is key to this trial. This is the witness, Steve, Rhine. We've talked about him already now to go a little bit more in depth with him. The first time that Steve Rhine was interviewed by sheriff's deputies. He was not sure of the day that he was quoting. He was not sure who the kids were that he saw when he later referred to the teenagers that went missing them were murdered or who the person was with the. Kids that he saw. So really, he knew nothing. He was also captain on paper. This is on in the police report. He's also not sure of the kind of vehicle that he saw. Basically, what he says is he comes forward to the police to the sheriff's deputies and say, I have some information that might help the case. This is before the arrest was made right. He says, I saw two people with some guy getting into a car, and I'm not really sure what day it was on, but it was in that cornfield where you found those kids. Right. Well, the sheriff's department that's when they decide to hypnotize him because sometimes you can hypnotize somebody and drawl details out of what they can't seem to remember. All right. So we have get out your crystal ball already in this case. And then on top of that, get out your pocket watch and you're getting sleepy, very sleepy. Well, what happens here? Captain is. Is Steve Ryan, who would eventually testify at Dale Johnston's trial and which lead to the arrest of Dale Johnston after he spoke to detective Thompson several times and was hypnotized. Now, all of a sudden he is telling in his statement. His latest statement is I saw a net Cooper and Todd Schultz who eventually were murdered forced into a vehicle, and it was Dale Johnston, forced him into Dale Johnston's vehicle in that area on the day that they went missing. Well, you know what? This is right. This is Hala weaned miracle. That's right. Well, this is going to lead to Dale Johnston being convicted and sentenced to death. He is going to appeal this and he's actually lucky. I believe that he got the death penalty. Now keep in mind. This is high. Oh, back in the early eighties. So he sentenced to sit on. The electric chair. Yeah. These appeals will eventually grant him a new trial. And this is because the prosecutor and investigators it becomes known that they withheld statements and evidence from Johnston's defense team that could have cast major doubt on his guilt and that they failed. This is the investigators failed to pursue leads that could have helped to exonerate him. And what that means is investigators when they took tips when that phone was ringing off the hook, they were listening to the ones that said, hey, I saw Dale Johnston, do something right. They weren't really working. The leads it said, hey, I saw something else going on and it didn't include Dale Johnston, right? Like I've said before, it's it's classic tunnel vision. Well, it was determined at a new trial captain that Johnston should have been found not guilty based on the withheld evidence which included eyewitness testimony that placed other individuals at the cornfield and not. Johnston as well as the testimony that was alternately ruled that should not have been allowed at trial since it was only brought about by hypnosis so eventually Johnson is freed in nineteen ninety. Now he would go after the state for wrongful imprisonment, claim in nineteen Ninety-three this is denied by the state and technically, well, it's denied on multiple occasions in technically, to kind of sum it up best that I can Johnston still to this day has not received a cent from the state for the years that he spent not only in prison but on death row and why find it. So hilarious. It'd be like given me the power where I could punch you. And then I said, well, I know I punched you, but you can't sue me well in the thing too is that there was language that was put into law at a later date that basically says people like Dale Johnston while. Technically, as it's written somebody that's wrongfully convicted can and should be rewarded money by the state. However, they've put language into that that it's, they make it damn near impossible that you're going to get paid for anything. And the sad part of this to me and we still got a bunch to get through is. But before Dale Johnston was sentenced to death in nineteen Eighty-four. He had a wife. He had kids, he owned fifty three acres of land. He had no debt and no pants on. But when he was released, he was released as a free man, and he had nothing other than an old pickup truck that was given to him by his lawyer. Look, if you're going to take the right away to be sued if you put the wrong person in prison, then you need to spend more time trying to put the right person and prison. Amen. I also wanna point out too. We talked about his wife, Sarah going and seeking treatment because she was had fallen on hard times to say the very least they would end up getting a divorce. And I think this should point out to whom I believe the real Dale Johnston to be. They got a divorce because of him. He had nobody. He's on death row. He had nobody. And he told his wife who it seems like he loved very much right. He said to her, he said, Sarah, we need to get a divorce because I'm locked up. I'm the monster that they locked up the monster that they think I am. They locked me away, but you're on the outside and everybody thinks you are a monster, and you've been ostracized from town and everybody hates you and you having my last name and you being married to me is going to destroy the rest of your life. He says to her, I would much rather have a friend that I got a divorce from then to have a wife that ends up committing suicide. And that was the path she was on. Yeah. And even once he was released, she continued as well as her daughter. Michelle, the living daughter, they continued to support Dale Johnston all of this time through all of his appeals and through his release. They were there to greet him. We should point out to remember Michelle who was taken from her mother's home placed into the foster care system in a different county when she was fifteen or sixteen years old and the day that she turned eighteen and was released from foster care. Where did she go back home right back to her mother, right back to her mother and that again, kind of points out that maybe some of these rumors weren't true. Maybe they just were not true. Well, Johnson after he's released and he's broke and he has no land. Nothing. He does go to live with his mother in the village of Asheville pick away county, which is twenty miles south of Columbus. Yeah. He said that he. Still was receiving quite a bit of prejudice from the people of that area. And he decided to Asheville was not going to be where he stayed. He was still very much under a cloud of suspicion, you know, and even the people that didn't believe that he was guilty of murder, they still thought and still suspected him of molesting his stepdaughter before her death. He would eventually tried to move on with his life while in prison, he did commit hisself and his life to Jesus. And after his release, he actually became a head usher at the First Baptist Church and grove city, Ohio, and later a member of the congregation. This is Roberta Crocker. She took a liking to the head usher. She said in an heart ical quote, he was a handsome, dude. So in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight ever get married. Again, I hope she says, hey, he's one, handsome, dude. I would just love to be described as a handsome, dude. I strive to be a hand. I wanna make sure with your face on it that says, handsome dude. Well, I'll give you the short of it. Captain Roberta in Johnston's relationship grew serious over the years. Eventually they were married in June of two thousand and they lived in a home in grove city, Ohio. This was not without Roberta's sons blessing who is Bryan Corbett which was the pastor at the First Baptist Church. He had heard the rumors and even her Johnston talking about spending time at lucasville which everybody in Ohio knows, hey, lucasville is not just a prison. It's maximum security and oh yeah, there's death row there too. Yeah. So he did a lot spent a lot of time with Dale Johnston getting to know him before he gave his blessing for the. Marriage to his mother. The strange thing here, though captain is after he's released after Johnson's release, this technically becomes a cold case. And people would still speculate as to Johnston's kill an a person that refuses to there's an evil person that continues to haunt true crime garage, and his name is William wick line. Yeah, he has been considered a suspect in this case by the public for many years, once this became a cold case, and he is William the butcher wick line is his nickname, he's in animal. He was found guilty of murdering decapitating and dismembering, Chris and Peggy lurch, and he was free at the time of a net Cooper and Todd Schultz's murder. Yeah. And so he was long suspected of this case he has been executed by the state of Ohio, so good luck investigating that at the time. Yeah. If you haven't looked wick line, you should because he is. I mean, he is a scary monster. You. If you wanted to write a murder book or a mystery book, right? You could, you could look his life in base a criminal or murderer after him and have a have a good selling book. Now, out of nowhere, captain there is a break in the long cold case. This didn't come until June of two thousand and seven. This is when a woman sandy Lyn Scott, she is visiting her probation officer and they're talking through some things, and she says to her probation officer, I think that twenty five years ago that those two people that were murdered Todd and Annette, I think they were at my house the night that they disappeared. And I think that they left with my husband and a man that she, she didn't know his name. She described the man as looking like a chipmunk. Okay. Okay. So you want to be described as a handsome, dude, and not a chipmunk right note self. Well, her husband is Kenny Lyn, Scott. We've heard that name. Before haven't we? He was the man in the corn stalks that were watching the police when they found the bodies. Yeah, and they questioned Kenny Lynch got the cut. And she says, when her husband Kenny came home that he was covered in blood and he had a bad cut to his arm. But he refused to discuss what had happened investigators very quickly zeroed in on Kenny Lyn Scott. And then they also zeroed in on the man that looked like a chipmunk. And this was Chester McKnight who was in prison for possession of child pornography and attempting to arrange sex with an under undercover officer posing as a teenage girl real winner. Now Lyn Scott, Kenny Lyn Scott told investigators, there was a chance, a small chance that the murdered couple had been at his house that night and that he might have even been in the cornfield with them that night. But he said he did not kill them. Okay. But what happens is once they zero in on this McKnight guy, that's in prison already. He very quickly says, I killed them and Lyn Scott helped me really? Yes. So do you want to hear how this goes down yet, but do we have a why we do? And this is this is what is so sad about this, our show and about our world about these stories. A lot of times, it's very clear that these murders are just senseless that there are people that are wiped off of this earth. They are taken from their loved ones way too young and almost for no reason at all or reasons that don't make sense to to good people too good, normal people, right? This is the story that was told to police the on the evening of October fourth nineteen eighty-two Todd in a net went to a local small time, drug dealers house. This is Kenny Lyn, Scott. The thought was that they were there to purchase a small amount marijuana and have a couple of beers. They're just going to have a little party a little get together. They're adults. We've all been there. The drug dealer, Kenny Lyn, Scott. He had his friend at the house. This is Chester McKnight at the time. McKnight was a drifter who was also nicknamed Chester the molester.
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"Most of these individuals were going to be at the same time, and she was trying to figure out a way to plant a bomb at that location. Now she is kind of so far gone. By this point, she starts to tell people of these homicidal tendencies and thoughts that she's having and thank God for that. That's that's something we have said a billion times over and over on the show. If you are thinking things that you think are strange, right. Tell somebody tell somebody because you you can get help and you can't look as she would have planted that bomb. Or figured out a way to do. So we would have a whole nother story to tell here, right? Yes, I'm sure it'd make a great episode but all jokes side, if you to feel like you're having thoughts that are not normal. The first step that you can do is to talk to somebody that you trust and it might take a lot of power and effort, but say to them, I think I need a little help and sometimes by releasing that to a loved one that they can come around and they can give you the help that you need. She eventually is sent away for treatment, and I believe that this treatment lasted eight or nine months, and a lot of it. I'm assuming captain was probably a good amount of grief counseling, which would have been much needed for her to set her back on the right path. So good for her and good for the people that helped her and mind. You not only is there no evidence, but there's not even hearsay evidence though. Only thing they that they had was the. That they were trying to get the daughter to to make up some story that that she was there and that she conspired in this murder. Well, regarding DALE'S trial, he ops for a three judge panel instead of jury trial. I think this is a smart move on his behalf. He also request for a change of venue which normally, I think would be granted seeing how there's been so much rumor an accusation amongst the citizens of Logan as well as the media coverage that surrounded the story. However, this change of venue is denied also denied, were his motions to find and present the idea that the death penalty is unconstitutional because they were going to sentence him to death if they found him guilty. Now, the trial begins as a fistfight on the courthouse steps between relatives of the friends. Sorry between relatives and friends of both. Victims. And the reason why this is an interesting thing here because you don't typically have this in a lot of murder trials. Both of the victims here, their families and friends are made up of people that are that are also on one side friends and family of somebody being accused of the double homicide right. This fistfight breaks out the history, the police, the sheriff, they're having hard time kind of keeping law and order in organization. Here the courtroom in the hallways were standing room only. We also have dozens of citizens out front of the courthouse picketing each day that the trial went on and they're picketing four. A conviction of Dale Johnston, they're screaming, get her done. When opening arguments commence there is to say the least heavy media coverage and armed security in an outside of the courtroom. The three judges along with the prosecutor defense witnesses and Dale. They all go to the Johnston farm and to the riverbank and to the cornfield area a little field trips so to speak. And this is so that everybody can see the areas in question. The defense presents a valid perspective regarding the weakness of the state's case while showing multiple suspects that who could have equally been as guilty as Dale Johnston. The defense also presents the theory that
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"Well, this is not going to sway the sheriff. He. He still believes that Dale is the killer and his team of investigators gay. Gather more damaging reports of Dale. A lot of these are starting to get stories of Dale owning a large amount of knives and guns, and we know that they were shot. We know that the victims were dismembered, so this is not look good for him. Now we have thirty one year old, Mike Jiddah he alleges that Dale Johnston is a is a satanist or at least involved in satanic activity, right? He doesn't baseless off of anything. Well, I can't say that he doesn't base it. I don't know what he's basing this off of a dream, but he's he doesn't tree. He doesn't put forth any concrete evidence to to back up this statement this this again, we just have another person that lives in the area coming forward with information that we have no way of deciphering if it's true or false Brian. Again with this Tommy and so small, the rumor mill is going to just keep going and keep going. Then. We have another individual and I'm going to totally screw up his name. I can't figure this one out twenty five year old Scott, Fujitsu, I think foo- get. I'll spell it again if anybody wants to look. This sounds great f. u. g. e. t. t. I'm probably getting that completely wrong, but so this twenty five year old man named Scott. He reports Dale Johnston, fired shots at him when he rode his motorcycle on DALE'S property this again, not looking good for Dale at a town meeting. This is a town meeting of two hundred and fifty citizens. They are vocally outraged about the killer, not being apprehended and the lack of police officers and Logan. So this would fully point out the fears of the citizens of Logan at that time. Not only are they saying, hey, we're afraid because you haven't arrested anybody, but we're also afraid because we don't think there's enough law enforcement. In this area, but we know that we know that they were getting help from Columbus PD. Unofficially, right. And and maybe sheriff Jones didn't want that quote unquote help. Now, the meeting ended with the citizens of Logan, demanding the arrest and conviction of the major suspect who they considered to be the major suspect Dale Johnston, regardless of conflicting views and regardless of the lack of evidence. And we've seen this in Ohio before up north withhold Dr shepherd, right the the, you know the public outrage. And so then it's weird how public outrage actually gets the criminal Justice system moving. Yeah, it's the public, controlling the hand of the law or the media, directing the hand of the law by the sheriff's department shows up at Dale Johnston's property. This is unannounced. So he's but negative. Well, what I will say in his defense here, one thing that points good for him and his direction, they show up unannounced and Dale says, go ahead and search the property. He's he's willing to let them he doesn't fight it. You know, he doesn't say, no, you need to come back with a warrant. They don't specify by the state of circumstantial evidence, but they what they stay is that circumstantial evidence was retrieved from the edge of the property that links the stepfather to the actual murders. All right. Let's talk about this here captain because we have no list of what this circumstantial evidence is. It doesn't exist, but I like I think this is where you have the sheriff's department going. Look. We did a search and we found some stuff. We've found some shit boys. Okay. So the the citizens have pushed our hand. Now we're. Going to release this information conveniently to the media, which is again going, it's going to keep the cycle going. It's going to keep the circle going, right? You wanted us to find evidence. We found well, then we have a statement that's very interesting. And this is where I think we can come up with an idea of what that circumstantial evidence may or may not be. We have FBI ballistics expert. This is Thomas Nicholson. He reports publicly that Dale Johnston quote might have committed the murders. All right. Well, what is this guy's job? He's a ballistic. Sex s. expert, right? The stuff that's he's the risk case. Well, we also have this guy earlier that says, hey, I was writing my motorcycle on Dale Johnson's property and he fired a couple shots at me. My idea here is that maybe they recovered bullet casings from some, right, right. And these bullets could have been twenty two caliber ri- could be done. On the edge of the property because he was shooting at a guy to get off his land or somebody not Dale Johnston was shooting their gun on the edge of his property. Dale Johnson's property is depending on which report you read. It varies from fifty two acres to fifty four acres. I labeled it as fifty three just to be kissed him. So Bakkal dude, fifty three acre property. You can't. You don't know what the hell's going on on your property. That's a huge amount of land. Anybody could be on the edge of your property firing a gun anytime. Now, let's say it did come from, let's say it was from Daryl. Dale Johnston, target shooting shooting, hunting animals or shooting at this motor. This motorcyclist now where he could be going out there, you know with his Dong flapping in the wind, and he's just firing bullets up in the air, you know. And I think he has the right to says land. But a twenty two is an extremely extremely common gut, yes. And to the point where that's you have the FBI ballistics expert. Thomas Nicholson stating Johnston might have committed the murders and he's basing that I believe off of them finding casings of twenty of twenty two caliber bullets on the property. At some point also seems like they haven't done the tests yet because the test would prove if it was that gun or not. Well, that's why I think he had to publicly say might because I bet you they did do the test and they didn't match. But because they were the same caliber of gun, he saying, well, he had access to twenty two. We can't prove that they're the came from the same gun, right? But maybe they couldn't prove that they didn't come from the same gun. Therefore he might have the thing that the reason why I include these tidbits. So captain is all of this stuff is finding its way to the media. There's nothing that happens. In this case that doesn't get released publicly. I mean they, they did lock up the autopsies. They did seal the autopsies, but outside of that, any little inkling anybody had of Dale Johnson being guilty finds its way to the newspapers bright, which is very interesting to me because in Ohio, we have another set of murders that people have been talking about lot is the pike county murders, and that's a very, very small town, and there's not there's not much happening in the media about that case. No. So it's kind of the reverse. Now we also have Dr Louise Robbins, a forensic anthropologists reports that Dale Johnston's boop matches the print found at the crime scene, and then we have nineteen year olds. Steve Rhine. This is Todd Schultz, cousin. He comes forward as a possible eyewitness later. He is hypnotized by police and well, not by an actual police officer, but I'm sure they. Hired somebody to hypnotize this individual. And during this interview, he says that he saw Dale Johnston force the two teens into a car on the evening of October fourth. So now we have eyewitness. We have an eyewitness that vocal that name's David Johnston, Dale Johnston. Now Dale is interrogated. He's a, he's picked up for this. He's interrogated in what is later reported as a smoke filled room for seven to eight hours during this. And I don't think this was by choice captain during this he's wearing nothing, but under shorts and socks, he's film good. Well, they basically tell them to strip down. He wants to get in his element and they're going to interview him in his undershorts and socks. And the reason they did this, they were convinced that they would find some kind of markings on him. Scrapes bruises something. That would have been defensive wounds. There was no, there's no sign of trauma to his body at all. He while there's signs of trauma to my body, he continues to deny the allegations against him agent. Remember agent Henry from the FBI he disapproves. He publicly comes out and disapproves of the way that detective Thompson interrogated Dale Johnston. He called it barbaric, right? But he he has his suspect in his sights. Right, right. So, I mean, this is a classic example of people in tunnel vision and not jumping on board. During this interrogation, the Logan police detective constantly. He just kept telling Johnston to confess, we know that you killed the kids, you know that you killed the kids. You need to confess you need to make this right. Make it easier on yourself, and he kept in. He kept reminding him that the town was in fear. The whole town was in fear. Can you help us out by confessing to this so that the town can continue to go on? And he said, hold on a second. Let me take off my socks. Well, they also brought in Sarah, his wife, and they brought in his other stepdaughter. Michelle, Michelle was reportedly kept in a room for eight hours for a solid eight hours. And what I mean by that is during that eight hours, she had nothing to eat. She had no restroom breaks. And according to Sarah, her mother, she said that they just grilled and grilled and grilled Michelle until she finally just shut down. She just wouldn't respond anything. Right. And that's what we're talking about. The other day on off the record is. You know, if you're if you don't have any information or they're accusing you of a crime and you claim that you're innocent, how many times should you have to claim this before they're forced to leave you alone. And I'm curious as to her age, we, I know that she was not an adult. I believe that she would have been fifteen or sixteen at this time. Now what her mother, Sarah would later tell us is that the police, the sheriff's department, they were angry that they couldn't get anything out of Michelle. They got nothing out of her out of eight hours of grilling her. She confessed to nothing and Sarah says that what they wanted her to say was that she was there that she had witnessed the to being killed or Saul them after they were killed and that the mother Sarah had cut up the bodies or helped her husband Dale cut up the bodies. Yeah, it's. And if you have no evidence of this and they must have believed that this is how it went down to try to get this teenager to turn on her mother. I mean, it's one thing to turn on your stepfather, especially with the rumors around town, but to turn on your mother as well. That makes me really question if DALE'S guilty or not. I almost feel like this poor girl that's grilled for eight hours. It could have been easy to turn on your stepfather, especially if there was actually any kind of molest Asian or sexual abuse going on in the household. If how long would it take you to tell them? Hey, yeah, I do think he did it. Maybe I didn't see anything, but I still think he did it. You know? So it makes me question his guilt, but he's arrested. Dale Johnson is arrested. He's denied bail the same day that he is arrested. Michelle, the other daughter is picked up and placed in foster care. This is in another county. They take her out. Out of the area and we have the, the wife that remains Sarah. She is basically ostracized in town. Right? They she bannered a murder because she married a murder, and now they don't end date think maybe she's involved. So they take her daughter away the towns. People seem to think that she is involved in maybe the police just don't have anything on her in the course of weeks, man. This woman, Sarah lost her daughter to to being murdered her husband to the arrest of that murder and her daughter to foster care. Ladies
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"Of the Logan citizens and Lieutenant Mallory is promoted to captain. Then we have trick or treat night is set for daylight hours due to the murders. You know, nobody wants to send their kids out after dark or as the sun is setting. When we still have a murderer on the loose hockey county seals a net and Todd's autopsy reports. This is to keep them from the media while the media reports more public opinion of devil worshippers killing the teens. But and then there were rumors of cattle, mutilations dating back all the way to the nineteen seventies and a lot of people suspected that the cattle mutilations of the seventies were connected to the double murders of nineteen eighty two. Yeah, they're probably more connected to quail leads. Well. Then we have a nets biological father, Ben Cooper, he makes the spotlight by giving interviews and blaming the murders on Dale Johnston share of Jones brings in a psychic. This is Shirley Saunders now wait. So we have to this is what's a little strange about this case. Okay. First off, we have a man, Dale Johnson who's considered to be an outsider considered to be different than the people of Logan. And when he has nobody else to turn to who does he turn to returns to a psychic? I mean, if you're already the guy that's labeled as different, right in a small town, you don't go. Well, I found one person to support me and it's this guy that says he's a psychic that seems a weird thing, but that backfires on him because his psychic friend then tells Dale Johnson and the media look, I think you killed them and I'm taking the polices side here. Now we have the sheriff himself bringing in their own psychic. This. This is gonna sound very strange, but I tried and I spent a lot maybe way too much time on this one aspect of this case, this individual Shirley Saunders and it's kind of a common name so that does not help when I was trying to research this, but. A couple of the things that I found captain. She's labeled as a FBI psychic like she either is employed or contracting by the f. b. i. to go into these areas and give psychic readings or tell us her her insights. We know that there has been mediums and stuff that have worked for law enforcement before. And then on top of that, we know that a lot of detectives will use psychics not necessarily that they have to believe in them. But just that sometimes by getting a reading, they're getting a outside perspective of possibly where they could look, especially if a case goes cold well, and I couldn't believe that the f. b. i. would would employ a psychic or somebody to be in that hold that title of psychic as a job title for the FBI as a fulltime employees. I wouldn't be shocked at their contract did on occasion, but I couldn't find any information on this Shirley Saunders. I was hoping. Maybe she went on to write a bulk or something where her her credentials would be outright stated other than this could. This could just be public opinion where somebody stated this wrong. And again, certain aspects of this case of become local legend and folklore while maybe they reported it wrong. Maybe she works for the f. PI right over at Earl psychic institution. Well, and maybe she's brought in from out of town and people had already seen the FBI coming in from out of town and thought she must be FBI, right. Well, she reports she came in with their crystal ball shit must be the FBI well, she reports to sheriff Jones. Now, sheriff Jones is the one that brought her there and she reports the Jones that Dale Johnston is innocent in her mind and that the murders were committed by two killers and not want this. Let let them go. Well,
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"Relationships with this cop. Yeah, there's some. There's some kind of rumor to this and I think on the surface, it looks like Dale Johnston's just kind of pointing out a possibility. Like I couldn't be the killer because guess what? She was involved with somebody else and you've not spoke. To that guy yet, right? What's weird about this is that when it first comes out, it looks just like Dale Johnston presenting another option, taking suspicion off of himself where it holds a little bit of water is the people in town start talking and they name a name Lieutenant our Bryan. And I do continue to say alleged because I couldn't find any actual proof that the two of them had a relationship while and this gets tricky because in such a small town, the rumor mill works fast and sky, like the game telephone. So all you have to do is an and maybe the stepfather knew this. Maybe he knew all you had to do was put out the rumor and that rumor would grow and grow and grow. So that room or could have been started by the allegations. I love small towns captain. I always have always will. But the thing that I've always said about small towns is what's really great about this small town is everybody knows everybody what's really. Bad about the small town is everybody knows everybody meaning like you just said, if there's rumors about me or you everybody in the town is heard them if you or I got any business going on, everybody knows our business. There's plenty of rumors about us on the internet. Well, here's the other weird thing regarding this Lieutenant Mallory, and if they actually had any kind of relationship or if he added an involvement in their disappearance and murder. Right? So listen to this. We have two witnesses that come forward, and this is a father and son that come forward. They say that they saw someone matching Lieutenant Maoris description emerging from the cornfield in which the bodies were later found on the early morning of October fifth. So the morning after the young couple were last seen now, we also have this ongoing situation. We have Jill and Dan fray who continue reporting. The Kevin Meyer is the person they. I should be looking at thority should be looking at and they have some new and interesting tidbits to report to police. This time they are telling police that Dan fry intentionally got Kevin Meyer drunk, and during the course of that evening, Kevin Meyer, he had said undisclosed on reported information concerning the double homicide to Dan fry, and they report this to police to do know what this information is. No, and I'll tell you why several reasons one. As soon as this report comes out, Kevin Meyer quits his job and how time I don't know how much of this was trickling down to the media. I don't know how much of this was behind the scenes bright, or we also have to keep in mind if if it was making its way to the media, Kevin Meyer may not have known at the time that the accusations were coming from his employer. Lawyers right? Been and also this is very small town. I mean, I worked at a lumber yard one time and probably ninety percent of them -ployees or from Logan, and they had to drive about an hour and a half to get to work. So there's not really job. There's not even to this day, there's not a lot of jobs there. Right? And it is great little town, but Kevin could have been going. I don't care who the rumors are coming from. I need a job not only does he quit his job, but he also leaves the town of Logan moving away any hires an attorney, and he moves away even though he still considered a suspect at this time right now, fishy. The victims were eventually buried in separate cemeteries. And during both burials, there was heavy media coverage, and then a public Halloween party is held in downtown Logan to help boost the spirits of
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"Employers, Jill and Dan fray. So the dude with mental problems has the job of handling the sharp knives. Yes. So Jill, Dan fray become involved with this investigation when they were. Port, they report that they believe that their employees was involved in this, and then we have a local woman who wished to stay anonymous and using the alias. Jane Doe gives a detailed account of seeing the victims talking with a peculiar looking older man fitting. The description of Kevin Meyer the this is on the evening when the two teens went missing. We do have to point out though captain sheriff Jones who is running the showdown there. He is friends with Kevin Meyer in defends his friend publicly. Now, one of the more bizarre theories, demon. Allah, just Jeff hilson becomes involved in the case by giving his theory to the media in which he stated that he believes that a group of drug using satanist butchered, the young couple FBI agent, Herman Henry is brought in and gives a psychological profile of the killer. This profile. Does not steer them away from anyone already mentioned right. Sheriff Jones continues to publicly defend his friend Kevin Meyer and by now has become uncooperative with the FBI and detective Snyder from Columbus to know anything about this profile. Like what entails I do not. I did not could not find the details of other than stated just what what we had said, all the persons named publicly or named to the media as potential suspects, whether they were suspects of the actual investigation or just by the people of Logan. It didn't rule any of them out, right? We what we have here though captain is we got sheriff Jones. We have the f. b. i. we have detective Snyder. We have several different agencies working this investigation as said, sheriff Jones is running the show, but plain and simple. What we have right now is we have three different agencies and all. All of them are not agreeing on a prime suspect. You know, sheriff Jones thinks Dale Johnston, did it agent Henry thinks Johnson is not the guy and detective Snyder believes that the sheriff's friend Kevin Meyer is the killer and Kevin's employers continue to report him to police revealing more bizarre reasons why he is the killer. They haven't fired him yet. Yeah, it's a little strange that they would. I don't know that they are publicly stating the Kevin Meyer. They believe him to be the killer brighter. If they're just calling the cops behind the scenes. Well, they've they've at least reported this to the Columbus PD Mitch. Now, keep in mind is almost an hour's drive away. The reason how this comes about is that the the, the lady that is the employer of Kevin Meyer. I think her brother-in-law she somehow related to this detective that she says, hey. I think this weird guy that works for me who also happens to be a butcher is the killer one because she's not publicly stayed in the stuff. We don't know actually what this weird stuff. This weird guys doing. We have to really understand focus on what's going on in this area. At this time. This is a media circus down there. Okay. We have a town of only sixty five hundred people and after the bodies are found chopped up, which there's really no nice way to put it. I apologize, but that's the case. But then some could argue, well, Kevin has the means to chop them up. I mean, just based off of his job yet, but what what where I'm going with this is that it's a media circus down there. This is like the Casey, Anthony, Scott Peterson situation where we have everybody looking for a killer and all this media comes to town and probably not as much media, but it's also much smaller town than. Where Casey Anthony was from her or Scott Peterson was from, but what you obviously have is everybody wanting to become involved in this case amount. There's a giant spotlight on the small town of Logano Hieaux and a lot of people want to push their way to the forefront and be in that spotlight. And so everyone somehow feels connected to the case and they feel like they have an opinion and something to say regarding the case on, there's definitely some suspicious stuff with the stepfather Ming talking about his stepdaughter past tense. That's little odd. You know the rumors around town. We don't know if those are true or not, but those are those are some damning rumors if you're molesting your step daughter. Well, and I think that's exactly what you have here. Okay, we've seen this. The thing that is so interesting and intriguing about this real life case is that so many times on television and in movies. This. Situation is imitated. And what I mean by that is think about this, we have the local guy, the sheriff Jones. He knows the area. He's the man in charge, and he's been enforcing the law and Logan for a long time. I am the law. And of course, who does he think killed this couple. It's it involves local rumors. It involves a guy that lives there that was under his watch that he says, you know what? I've heard all the rumors about this guy. I believe them to be true. He's an outsider that came in here and he's not only an outsider by by moving and transplanting into Logan. He's an outsider in the sense that guy walks around with his clothes off, but I don't get him. I don't understand him. He's a weird. Oh, so he is a suspect under the local sheriff's is and then you have the FBI agent agent Henry comes into town and he says, you know what? I'm not going to get consumed by local rumor bright. I'm. I'm I'm of a better class of law enforcement in the sense I'm from the FBI I'm the bed or law. Well, I'm going to come into the area and I'm going to use my experience to actually hone in on a real suspect. I'm not going to allow local rumor to point me in the direction. I'm going to use the facts and the evidence of the case. And really we don't have a ton of evidence. I mean, we have possibly these socks that are left by the crime scene where they think the crime scene could happen the cornfield and then we have this boot or was awesome imprint. Okay. Yeah. So I mean, that's pretty much all they got going form right now. There's not a lot of evidence, and there's a lot of speculation. And what I mean by that is not just by f. b. i. r. law enforcement. It's by the locals and the locals are not only telling the media about who they think did this. They're calling the police department in the sheriff's department. I mean, can you imagine the phone calls that they're getting right. We have a demon quote, unquote. Demon knowledge is that comes to the area and says, look, here's what actually happened. A group of drug induced satanists killed and butchered these kids, right? But there is no evidence other than possibly the mutilation that would lead this for anybody to believe that this is a satanic ritual or some type of maybe the six holes, six, six, six. Maybe that would be some sign. Well, I think that what we have here is really the mutilation to the bodies. The dismemberment is something that is so foreign to this area it, you know, there are, unfortunately, there's a lot of murders out there who start podcast. Most of the time, the person that kills the victim doesn't go to the length of of cutting them up into small pieces and that is horrifying that that is something that has does not sit well with. With any of us, right? We don't. We most of us can't comprehend how somebody could dissect somebody like that. And so therefore I think that you try to make sense out of it, the community as a whole tries to make sense out of it. And that's when you have people coming forward and saying, well, listen to what the kids are listening to these days. It's, you know, listen to the music that's out these days. All these kids are doing drugs these days. It's gotta be a bunch of satanist. It's the only thing that makes sense to some of the people in the community. And so where we have no evidence that there is any type of to use a term from the west Memphis, three satanic trappings. What did they call that? The say, Tanic droppings they called it something like that. The trappings of a ritual Listrik killing dropping or sacrafice killing, but. Where we don't have any true evidence of that. You can have people coming out of the woodwork that are going like you just said, was there six holes? Will that must mean six. Six, right. Well, was the was the hand separated from the forearm? Well, that must mean that must mean something. And anytime you. Decapitate somebody that means that's a satanic trapping and where we have no real evidence of that. We also don't have any real evidence that Dale Johnston killed these kids other than rumors really is the Tanic crap anything more than a rumor know. And as far as his, his family states, as far as Dale Johnson's wife in other stepdaughter state, all of the rumors of him molesting the murder victim. Annette are nothing more than rumors. Just like the satanic panic going on nothing more than a rumor. There's no evidence. There's nobody stating that they had witnessed that happen. And so the problem with this double homicide here. I don't know. I don't know that I would claim this to be that we have a bunch of keystone cops that don't know what they're doing. I don't think that's the situation here. Yes, is murder a rarity there? Yes. Is the dismemberment of the bodies super rare, one hundred percent. You have the towns people saying, we've never seen anything like this before. Never even heard of anything like this before, but at the same time, I think really what is happening here in this very moment is that they are getting so many people coming forward stating so many different things from different ends of the spectrum of what could be a possible good lead to something that might just be crazy talk. They have people coming to the police department, the sheriff's department stating I saw some guys that just seem to appear out of nowhere with weird hat. They're wearing funny hats. I think they were in the cornfield out and they must to kill those kids. 'cause I've. Seen them before and maybe they were demons. Maybe they were ghost. I don't know. That's the kind of calls that they're getting. Right. And where I think that this thing goes goes off the rails of it. And I say that and I laugh to myself because it's very, obviously already off the rails. And plus you find yourself Klarius. But I think that there was probably some truth in some of those earlier statements given to police and some of those earlier calls that were fed in as possible leads. Some of them were truthful, and some of them were just wrong. And the problem I think we had here is who knows which lead to follow when you receive a ton of them, some of them are completely crazy. Some of them are complete may be completely right, but on the surface until you investigate until you look at each one of those, you can't tell which is which. Lot
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"Not return that night to Scholtz home the next morning, Tuesday, October. Fifth, the two still had not returned and Todd's mother. Sandra had a bad feeling. A mother's intuition was telling her something bad had happened, and the feeling was getting worse than stronger as the morning dragged on stressed to her limit. She broke down picked up the phone and called a nets mother, Sarah. She wanted to know if an and perhaps Todd had gone to a nets house the night before or at the very least that morning, did they check the tents there? There were no tense at this time. You don't know that for sure a nets. Mother said, no, she had not seen either of them, but she was not going to let Todd's mom off the hook. She wanted to know why net was living at the Scholtz house and Santa responded abruptly Lau. Loudly because Dale can't keep his hands off of her. And that was pretty much the end of this conversation. Neither one of them happy and both worried about the young couple shortly after the police and local authorities were notified and soon to they would join in the search for Todd and Annette days past in there was still no sign of either of them. Now, no one had seen them nor had either of them called home or showed up to work or school during this time, either family members of the two founded incredibly strange in disconcerting. The couple very rarely went anywhere most of the time. They would just go out for a walk. So defined odd that nets. Parents don't even know why she's not staying there. Not neces-. I mean, I do find it odd, but not at home as I mean, yeah, I do find it a little odd, but not one hundred percent. I mean, thinking back when I was eighteen I didn't. You know, sometimes they didn't come home for a couple of days. I think this is a situation where she probably went over to her boyfriend's houses like they were very much in love and she stayed the night one night. It turned into a couple nights. Next thing. You know, she's there for weeks or maybe even a month, and it sounds to me like her mother didn't wanna rock the boat too much, and it wasn't until she believed that something was wrong that her daughter was missing and her boyfriend was missing as well that she was kind of pushed her limit and decided, hey, yeah, but it wasn't like, hey, I'm just going to stay over at your house. 'cause I like it here better than mine. There was a reason why they're leading her stay there. Yeah. And obviously Todd's parents or at least his mother seemed to believe that. A net stepfather Dale was doing something wrong. I mean, that was that was the statement that was made to the newspapers. And this was a statement that Sarah a nets own mother made to the newspapers said this is a conversation that me and Todd's mother had Sandra was Todd's mother's name, and this is a conversation that we had in this is how it went down. She told the papers that Sanders said that day'll can't keep her hands his hands off of a net, right? But what's not clear as did she have a conversation with the net about that? Or is this just I mean from the rumors town that we don't know what I mean like, well, she says she likes it better over here. We don't mind her stay in here because of these rumors or did she have a conversation with the net about this? Right. And I also wonder too, like. If if Todd's parents really believed that something terrible was going on that had was being molested or whatever bright, it seems to me like they may have done more than just housed this eighteen year old woman that maybe that charges maybe you would recommend, hey, maybe you should press charges against this guy. I, I don't know. You know it was. It wasn't a million years ago, but it was a different time back then, especially when you're talking about a town like Logan sixty five hundred people, right? But here's where things are going to get a little stranger captain because on Saturday, October ninth. This is just about four five days after the, the couple was last seen, Dale Johnson. And at step-father he shows up uninvited and unannounced at the Scholtz house and he's asking a lot of questions wearing clothes, I believe so. Okay. Now besides the expected questions of, have you seen my stepdaughter type things Dale. Demanded that the Scholtz family turnover, any of nets belongings to him specifically asking for a nets. Close. Sandra Schultz refused in said, no. Now when asked why he came to the house to collect a nets clothing. Dale Johnson yelled at Sandra and said, it's because that's all her mom has to remember her by Sandra was shocked by this statement, and she would soon tell police that we meaning the Scholtz family thought that the two teenagers were missing. But Dale was acting like they were dead and he's talking about them in the past tents. She wondered if she wasn't thinking they were dead. Why was why was he thinking that they were dead? Right? So not only did the Scholtz family. Think Dale Johnson impossibly. His wife's hair were acting extremely suspicious, but the police thought, so too one that would be your motive for murder or could be a motive for murder. If everybody in the. Town is suspecting you of molesting your stepdaughter than if you get rid of her, then you can't have those charges brought against you. Well, all fairness to the Johnson family, there was a lot of suspicious behavior going around. In fact, within days of the couple having gone missing the local police department, they were receiving a lot of phone calls. Most of the callers were simply asking for a status update on the case, things like had the couple been located, and if not, did the police have any idea as to where they could be, did the couple run off together or could they have been murdered? And if so, did the police have any suspects? So in fairness, Dale Johnson, people in the town are calling the police in the sheriff's department, and they are asking if the law enforcement thinks that the kids could be could have been murdered. And if so, by whom if they had any suspect. So he and his wife are not the only two that are thinking something bad could have happened to these. Missing to now, some people called in to say that they saw a couple or saw the couple at different times on the evening of October fourth, the night that it is believed that the two vanished the different callers had similar statements. These were potential eye witnesses that saw the couple or at least two young adults matching the couple's description and the couple were in a in the presence of a man. Now, there's a couple different stories here. Captain some of these stories say that they were in the presence of Dale Johnson. Some of the other stories say they were in the presence of an unknown man. Somebody that the I witnessed in no. Obviously, an extensive police search was well underway. Friends. Teachers of the teens were interviewed several giving disturbing reports about Dale Johnston. Some of the interviewee said, Dale Johnson was a was full of jealousy possessiveness over a net and wreck. What they called DALE'S hatred for a nets male France. Sarah Johnson also came under suspicion with several reports coming that can only be called mixed while a lot of these reports are unclear as to the details. But state, Sarah Johnston was seen with the teens and net and Todd the night that they went missing police found the behavior of Dale and Sarah Johnston to be extremely odd. Most noteworthy, the mothers and the stepfather's behavior. In the early interviews when police believed them both to not only be deceptive, but quite unemotional for parents of a missing child right? Win, providing police with items to assist in the search for the teens, Dale and Sarah surrendered nude, photographs of a net. This sent into motion a theory of what happened to the two missing teens. Hold on, say sust lowdown a little bit. So. So the police are talk into the missing girls mother and the missing girls stepfather, and they say, hey, do you have any items that would help us in the search and they go, here's some nudie picks. Yes. So I think I should clean this up a bit because I think you should most of the most of the reports about this case. Sage is simply that that, hey, they actually a lot of the reports state that Dale Johnston gave the police nude photographs of his stepdaughter. Right? I think what has happened this cases. Extremely interesting to me because there is a lot of local legend involved. In this case, there's a lot of folklore and I think that what we have is it's like when you go fishing and you catch a decent size fish and every time you tell nother person about your fishing trip. That fish gets a little bigger and a little bigger and a little bigger. I, I like to make it smaller because. Because by the tenth time you tell it is about this big. Well, I forgot to tell you last time I went, I caught a thirty footer. Yeah. It's it's hanging up on my wall. Now, I think what has happened here captain. I think that in this is just my speculation. I think that the parents provided police and sheriff's with items to help find a net. And I think that they probably provided them with several photographs in amongst those photographs. There may have been one or two photos of net that maybe she wasn't fully dressed. I think over the years, the stories have blossomed into this Dale Johnston handed over nude photos of his stepdaughter or what's gonna set about this cases. She was she was a pretty girl, and so that's the main focus, you know, even read. So earlier's she's very pretty and everybody in town thought she was pretty. And then you talk about the boyfriend and it's like, well, he's really talented and he was smart and, and it's like, because she was, you know, a beautiful girl like by default, that's all people talk about now. So. So the the two are missing, right? And this sets into motion theory of what happened to the two missing teens police used the photographs of a net along with the circulating rumors that Annette stepfather Dale had molested her and must have killed her and Todd Scholtz in either a jealous rage or as a means of covering up the molest Asians, police also theorized that either Sarah and that's mother assisted in one or all of the following, the disappearance murder and the concealment of their remains or at the very least knew about it. Yeah, Logan, police detective, James Thomson is brought in and he begins a crusade against Dale Johnston, believing he is responsible for the teen's disappearance. Each interview with police reveals more details of what police refer to as a sexually dysfunctional Johnston, household, Dale John. Is desperately seeking supporters. So he contacts friend of his who claims to be a psychic. This is Raymond mills, okay, Raymond, using his quote, unquote gifts believes Dale Johnson is the murderer and he publicly sides with police against Dale Johnson. Can you imagine that. So so Dale is desperate for he's desperate for somebody to support him. He's like, I'm being accused of all this stuff. Let me reach out to my buddy. He can see he's the all CNI is a psychic and psychic comes back and says, while my friend, what I see is that you kill them. I'm telling you, man, this is I have to. We have to really look at this for what it is. Especially back then in this town, he, you know, the old black and white Frankenstein movie where where Frankenstein's monster is in the village in the town, people are gathering torches and pick axes, and there's like a mob of people that are going to chase him out of town or kill him. Yeah, this this was a similar man Taliban to these missing teenagers in these rumors that Dale Johnson had molested his stepdaughter. The townspeople are all up in arms. They want Dale Johnson arrested immediately. The shares. Coming after him. The detective is building a crusade against him and within his own four walls of the trailer on his fifty three acre property. He's he's complaining to his wife. Everybody in town thinks that molested and killed these kids and his wife is going Honey. I know you didn't do it, but you're the stepfather. They're going to come after you, right? And you walk around in the nude and you take nudie picks of your stepdaughter. There's rumors happened. They're gonna come after what's also going on. Captain is the police department and the sheriff's office there telephones are ringing off of the hook with conflicting reports some stating that they had heard shots fired in the riverbank cornfield area. And then listen to this. There were reported sightings of mysterious men who appear out of the mist and odd shaped hats. And the these things just appear out of nowhere like some time trav-. Alling hipsters. There were dozens of weird things going on, and we'll get right back to this after this quick beer break. As