20 Episode results for "Dairy Allergy"

033 Can My Baby Have Parmesan On A Milk Free Diet?

Healthy Eating For Kids

09:32 min | 5 months ago

033 Can My Baby Have Parmesan On A Milk Free Diet?

"Hello, and welcome to kids nutrition podcast. I'm your host by Vandal? A registered paediatric Dietitian based at Holly Street I help you with fussy eating. Pros in allergy and also help you plan your Vegan diets I'm so excited that tuning into the podcast. Let's dive in to learn all about how to empower your child one bite at a time. Of Quick podcast episode this week, and it's going to be about. Can my baby have aged Parmesan on a milk free diet, but before we dive straight into the PODCAST episode? I just wanted to remind you that if you'd like to work with me and he'd like a spot on the say, daily or suspected dairy allergy program, you can book a recall with me right into the directly into my Dari and I'll probably link. The show notes so that you can do that, so let's get straight in. Quite often. Dairy so lactose and Milk protein gets really confused, so people often confuse with what's lactose intolerant and what's COSMO protein allergy and there's quite a few different types of cosmic protein allergy as well so the immediate dairy allergy that often hear about in the news where he child consumes food product with milk protein, and they might have an immediate allergy, so say within two hours of product they might break into hives. There might have rashes and in very. Very severe cases they may have difficulty breathing, and so on an terms of a delayed caswell protein allergy where the the symptoms may present. Longer than two hours from eating food product with counseling protein present that could be things, persistent constipation X. Small. The hats difficulty with growth reflux. It could be you know you might see babies with back arching. You know very persistent crying and it's not say one symptom in particular. That, we look at it really a series, a combination of symptoms that we would look at review in order to help with a diagnosis, and with these delayed castle approaching allergies. You can't really test can't do blood, testing or skin prick testing to create a diagnosis, so you can make it a little bit complicated to get on. Top of you know what what is going on. Does my baby or child have a delay Kuzma? Protein algae in terms of a lactose intolerance is really got nothing to do with the protein that's found in dairy products like. COW's model cheese. Yogurt and things that it's about the milk sugar called lactose, and that's present in all dairy products, but with the case of some individuals some suren they may not be able to absorb. All break down lactose that's found in some dairy products, and so what happens is that it can cause a lot of abdominal discomfort, and it can cause diarrhea now it's very unusual for say in Caucasian parents. Ought children should I say? For there to be a problem with lactose intolerance often. Children present with some of the symptoms that have described it probably going to be cosmo protein allergy, but it is still very possible. Day is say after a period of illness guest riders for example that in the short term sometimes children can have difficulties managing lactose that's found in car, smoke or yogurt, and things like that, but that's usually just very very short time. Well, I didn't mean to go into such a big explanation of the different types of dairy allergy and a dairy intolerance. You can actually tune that into the second episode in this podcast where a talked about lactose, intolerance and dairy allergy, and a lovely lady called Rose, came onto the podcast, and she talked about experience of managing. A dairy allergy and how frustrating she found when people often confuse the two. Sometimes, it was parents or friends, or when she go out into a cafe and restaurant, and of course all the mets that comes with. Avoiding, say dairy and choosing to include so if you if you'd like to know a little bit more about a parent's perspective, do tune back into that second episode. On the PODCAST and next week I will have another one of my lovely clients. Talk to you about her experience. Of you know managing or using dairy free diet manage a child with a delayed casper protein allergy, but in terms of answering a question about Parmesan. Guess one of the first obvious things that most people might say, we avoid having partisan for babies because it's very high in salt now once this may be true as babies get a little bit older and if you are using Palmerston. In cooking say just a top up. Say partner bags and things like that. If you're using a pinch of the Great Commisson, that's absolutely fine I'm usually. Very very small quantities time-to-time is absolutely fine. However if your baby has a dairy allergy whether it's in mediated or delayed, and you've been asked, or you've been prescribed to follow a dairy, free diets that a cow's milk protein died. Then something like palm is than even if it's been aged for over thirty six months or forty five months wouldn't be suitable, because although the aging process will mean, there's very very little lactose left. In the final cheese, so remember if your child has lactose intolerance then palm isn't would be absolutely fun to us because this virtually very little. Very little does should I. Say in the final Commisson. How ever if your child has a dairy allergy? Even with the aging process, the final cheese will have cosmo protein, so it wouldn't be suitable on the died unless you're working with your pediatric Dietitian as part of a reintroduction plan, so there are things like the car smoke ladders. Reintroduction milk ladders that you could use and follow, and you Dietitian will guide you on the exact amount to us when you're following the milk ladders to try and reintroduce re-challenge children to find out if they can tolerate cosmo protein, but at the very early stages when your baby or child has been diagnosed with a cosmopolitan allergy, palm is an unfortunately, although has very little lactose in it, and would be suitable on electors free died. It won't be suitable on a dairy free time, and yes, in terms of the salt, and this has certainly being discussed over on my instagram page at UK kids nutrition. I have a post called. Can I give my baby powers on a milk free diet? It may have you know quite a bit of salt because cheeses do have at assault I, think you can think about the amount that babies or young children, would you? You'd probably only use a pinch in the final product in which case that's absolutely fine from Saul perse, but But on a dairy free died. You won't be able to include any cheese, so I hope that helps and as always. If you'd like to work with me, you can book a core using my online diary I'll Papa Lincoln the show notes, and if you've been listening to this podcast for some time? And you're enjoying it I. would love a review as it really helps other parents volume podcasts by pronounced.

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009 How ToStartIntroducingSolidsIfYour BabyHasAMilk Allergy

Healthy Eating For Kids

31:40 min | 1 year ago

009 How ToStartIntroducingSolidsIfYour BabyHasAMilk Allergy

"Hello and welcome to healthy eating kids podcasts arm host. But he van doable. A registered paediatric dietitian and nutrition expert, ruby teasing out the facts from fiction and learning how to empower your child when it comes to food and nutrition. Hello, everybody. It is national weaning week. So perfect time to be talking about how to start solid or stunt winning your baby who is following a dairy free diet. If you're joining us today because you suspect that you baby might have dairy intolerance or a dairy allergy. And you're interested about knowing how to start weaning baby. Then I would suggest that you. I check out the second podcast episode, code letters, intolerance, and dairy allergy what you need to know. And that's actually the second podcast episode that I released this year if your child has been diagnosed with a immediate or Aegean mediated cosmic protein allergy or non idea mediated cosmic protein algae's of basically. Very delayed. Cosmo protein allergy than welcome. And how exciting that you are going to start weaning or start solids for your baby. Now as per the World Health organizations recommendation, I would definitely recommend that you carry on with breastfeeding exclusively until around six months of age. I appreciate that some babies will be ready earlier. And I certainly started weaning both my girls around five months of age. So you could start tastes of puree for example, anytime from around four months of age, but it's just important to be aware that the official guidelines are to wait unto six months of age. If you can I know that the time for when babies can start solid is a hot topic, and everybody has an opinion on it. But you know, what? To try to follow the guidelines. If you can and follow your babies lead as long as baby can sit on bride has good hand eye coordination at has good head control. Then. Yes, you definitely can start solids something else to bear in mind. Is that your baby probably has been prescribed a special formula by your GP pediatrician or an allergy team in which case please do carry on with that. So it may be an extensively hydrolyzed formula or a amino acid formula and the decision for that would be down to the leading consultant or Dr Titian that you are working with and their choice will be based on your babies original symptoms. How unwell they were during diagnosis, and you know, the. The rest of the symptoms that they initially presented with when you first met the allergy or your pediatric team to pending on when you decide to start weaning. You probably will be interested in either adopting baby late winning or spoon feeding so just bear in mind that if you decide to start meaning before six months of age, then the official guidelines state that you should offer only taste of puree, and that's really to minimize the risk of choking. If your heart is really set on baby led weaning, then please to wait 'til your baby is six months of age and interesting piece of research that came out not too long ago actually showed that when they compare babies who followed baby let meaning or spoon. Feeding. Both groups were actually equally at risk of choice. Joking. So I think it doesn't really matter which route you go down just be aware that baby is at risk of choking or maybe at risk of choking. Should I say so just always remain with your baby at all times? When you start this exciting face of weaning, I do have a blog post on this topic. And I'll put a copy of that in the show notes, and he basically talks about why share my thoughts on baby led weaning and spoon feeding which one should you? Choose. I, of course, would recommend that you adopt boats because as an adult, it makes sense that we need a spoon to eat things like yogurts and soups and so on so why would you discourage spoon? Feeding your baby. Having said that a large UK study that was published earlier this year on the differences between. In babies who were started on baby led weaning all say spoon. Feeding there were some very positive results which showed that children who mostly followed the baby led weaning style were more likely to be sharing meals with their families are eating at the same time as parents and also were more likely to have been offered vegetables as unmixed feedings of a big variety of food over some of the other styles of feeding. So I think the take her message around the choice of whether you go down baby. Let winning or, you know, spoon feeding or mixed feeding as I would recommend that you offer a wide range of solid wide range of tastes and textures, and you know, between the five and seven months of age. That's when babies. These are, you know, really open that window where it really opened a try all sorts of flavor. They're just as likely to enjoy sweet flavors salty flavors or bitter sour flavors. So get in there with a good range of solid. Don't worry so much about the amount of solids that they eating at this particular age, just focus on variety all of the different vegetables on rich foods and so on, but we're good to talk about the different stages of how to introduce dairy free solid soon. So now that you've chosen which style of feeding that you're going to go with so whether that be baby led weaning or spoon feeding or a bit of both. I just wanted to really touch on the signs and symptoms of the dairy allergy. So this is really important in case of accidental exposure. So example, perhaps you've chosen to buy some prepackaged foods, and maybe you forgot to check the ingredients list, or there was some hidden sources of dairy, and you baby showed a allergy reaction in which case, you need to know what they're, but the signs are because perhaps they've been doing really well over the last six months being really well controlled on their, you know, maybe you're breastfeeding following a dairy free died or baby is thriving on a special. Formula? I won't go into the different types of dairy allergy here, but I just wanted to touch upon some of the symptoms that your baby may show sufficient sample if baby originally presented, but lots of diarrhea or really struggled to open their bowels and had long term constipation stomach aches, or they had lots of reflux that were vomiting, perhaps they initially had blood in the stools or you notice quite a bit a mucus. They will really windy perhaps there had quite severe or mild mild to severe ex Ma. Or they probably had immediate symptoms. So they might have hand swelling of the face is in lips and very rarely babies may have had difficulties with breathing now but immediate Cosmo protein allergy your child will probably be under an allergy team. And they'll be giving you some really specific advice around to introduce solids or they may organize them skin prick testing, but for all other babies with say a delayed Cosmo protein allergy is just a good idea when you start introducing solid at home to just ref- ameliorate yourself with some of the signs and symptoms off a dairy allergy. So you know, if your baby has been accidentally exposed to dairy when you start weaning and starts introducing solids. So once again, if your baby originally had. Had a very severe and immediate allergy reaction to Cosmo pro scene than I recommend that you follow the advice given to you by your pediatrician allergy consultant or dietitian this pot caused should just be for information. Only soup. Please always speak to your paediatric dietitian allergy team or doctor for personalized one to one advice. So step one, depending on whether your baby is four or six months of age. You would start with vegetables or fruit. Make sure it's washed thoroughly peel the skin chop and steam or lightly boy, and then use the water that's left in the pant of mash or puree it down. So if you baby is young than six months of age, you do want to mash and paraders. But if you baby is old than six months, and you decide that you quite night to go. On the baby let meaning route and you all sitting down and having a snack at the table with a bit of fruit. There's no reason why couldn't offer cut up pieces in a very soft pieces of fruit or vegetables that have been steamed or lightly boiled, don't forget to try a good range of vegetables and do all tonight Nate between veg and fruit. So that your baby is exposed to both types of flavor. And like I said between the age of five and seven months babies are open to trying any of those flavors. They really don't mind they enjoy both sweet or sell or Beto salty. They really happy to accept all of those different flavors, and you can offer the same flavor up to ten times before moving on and trying something else when you are ready to start. Introducing a. First time meal or a second meal in the day. That's going to be based on something like Partridge os. Or you may choose to go down some baby rise because its iron iron-fortified. Then this is where the dairy free diet sort of kicks in. If you like and rather than using cows milk. You'd obviously be using maybe some expressed breast milk if you are following a day free. Dinesh yourself or use babies special infant formula? And at this stage at probably just stick with those two because they agreed to provide some valuable nutrition that you really don't want to displace by using something else. Like a plant drinks at this stage at probably just stick to expressed breast milk or your babies special infant formula from around six months of age. There are some reports that mother. Others breast milk supply is going to be a little bit low in iron. So there's no rush, but between now and say eight months of age, you really want to get your baby enjoying on rich foods, and that would be things like meat chicken fish, which can be pureed down mash down or getting quite lumpy. If they've been having solids for quite a bit of time to say in the last few weeks, or so if you're phone I plant based diet or vegan diet, or even just in general, I would really recommend that you start. Introducing lentils at this stage because it's a brilliant plant based source of iron for children. So bitter rise. A bit of lentils it could have other vitamin c rich foods added further down the line help absorb the iron found implant foods things like peppers. Martos you can all to start. Introducing mile Spicer's like human coriander. There's no reason why you cannot flavor babies food. They do life flavors. You just need to avoid adding salt or stock at this stage if you are buying pure or shop board items to help with the weaning stage. Then just remember to always check labels and never ever see in that. Even if a label says that the product is free from that it's safe to use. It may have some hidden sources of dairy. So always check the ingredients list. And if you're not sure, you know, what words can mean dairy do book to see your pediatric dodgers, they can give you some very detailed information about that. Remember that you are also avoiding milk and food products that are made from sheep goat or buffalo because approach. Eighteen that's found in these mammalian products are very similar to Cosmo protein. So we recommend that you avoid all Cosmo. But also all of their sheep goats buffalo type of foods as well. Sometimes milk can be labeled in a very unobtrusive way. I don't know if that's a real word. But anyway, it's not very it might not be very obvious. So just make sure again, read labels, very carefully. And if you're not sure about labels say if you're in a deli or cafe, and you're just you know, you just look at that label anything not quite sure what that means avoid it's best to avoid and try and take things from home. If you can wear your show that that particular brand is definitely free from dairy. I'd like to share a tip with you here. And that is if you can please, please, please. Avoid the pouches. If there's a strong dislike should I say again. I don't know if that's a good choice of words here. But. To avoid long term problems which Lauren relying on the pureed type pouches. I would recommend perhaps going for something that would be packaged in those glass type of jaws because then they are recyclable. So that's better for the environment. And you can also top these John's up so wash it out thoroughly it in the dishwasher, and then you can reuse those jars to store your own home, prepared foods, and he can pop it in the freezer because obviously at this stage babies aren't eating large quantities. So if you've made a beautiful meal of didn't know, some minced food with lots of different vegetables root, vegetables, things like that. And you want to say that because you don't fancy peeling and chopping it. And then cooking it from scratch again, pop it in the freezer, and then you can. Defrost it and reheated thoroughly when you're ready to serve it next. The problem with squeezy pouch e type things or baby foods is that sometimes baby start relying on that very smooth puree it homemade periods on that smooth. There will be lumps in them. So that really helps baby move onto the next stage. Obviously, if you're busy, and you, you know, gone are the days when you housebound there's lots of NC t- grooves and baby mummy groups to attend. So if you out in about goes, absolutely fine. You know, you can use these shop board items. However, tried to spoon it out onto a spoon rather than just, you know, giving it a baby to suck for directly from the patch because that doesn't teach children to progress onto the more lumpy. Textures they they become really reliant on the smooth flays because why not it's easy. There's not a lot of work or effort to do. It's just squeeze it into the mouth and swallow so very easy. So my recommendation in this Inara is trying to use the pouches. Or if you are using Pagis because they easy for transport purposes than just squeeze it out into a spoon before offering it to your baby. So the next stage once baby is around say seventy nine months of age you really wanted to get baby onto around three minute meals a day. So these are in a really small meals where perhaps baby is seated at the table in highchair whilst the rest of the family are enjoying their meals, and at this stage, it's really important to carry on with your babies specialist infant formula. It really isn't appropriate. To try any of the plant drinks apart from cooking. And if you'd like to know a little bit more about how to choose the best plant drink for your baby on a dairy free died, then do tune into the first episode on the podcast. I can pop a link to that episode in the show notes for you. So to clarify during this face, you can either continue to breastfeed your baby. If you're falling a dairy free diet yourself or you can't use a suitable plant drink and do speak to your dietician about which plant during to choose for your baby. But you'd be using the plant drinks to make things like maybe parish or to make a dairy free custard rice puddings or a white source, but it isn't a suitable replacement for breast milk or your baby special infant formula when you are building up the. Many items for in the Neal's and usually by round nine months, baby. Should definitely be on around three million meals a day. You do want to think about what are the calcium rich foods Sach you can include? So usually you either have calcium from the calcium fortified infant formula or breath. Smell is definitely a source, and you certainly want to be thinking about in making sure that you're taking a calcium supplement for yourself. If you're breastfeeding because there aren't really high requirements for this stage. Should I say, and certainly if you are all say following a plant based diet than you do want to think about some of the cul Siham, rich foods that you can find in vegetables. So some vegetables are calcium rush than other things like broccoli, and kale certainly beans. And if you are in. Including fish in your diet and your baby's diet, then some types of oily fish and fish, particularly if it's can't with the bodes present. They are brilliant sources of calcium as well. There's more on this in a more reason blog post and podcast episode called what you need to do before reaching for calcium supplements. That's a really good read because I do break down the calcium present in a variety of different foods and on the podcast. I talk about the bio availability of calcium from plant sources, and does it matter. So what are the good sources and what on so good, even though people or you might read that some foods have a good amount of calcium. But is it actually going to be absorbed by your child's body? So thinking about the main meals like lunch and evening meals for this. Age group, you could think about using a root vegetables or grains, lucky Noah and Amer and if you are falling vegan plant based diet because those particular grains, do contain the food sequence of essential amino acids, so they really had to have. So that's the Keno and Arun. But if you following a normal died, but just the day refrain is the only exclusion that you're worried about then any root vegetable or odes rise passed. So you want to include gluten. They are brilliant for making sure that their child gets enough energy from Kaba hydrates as part of their main meal, and then of course, the other important nutrient is iron so think about iron, rich, vegetables and green leafy choices. Again, if you are following a plant based diet, otherwise, obviously, protein foods like meat chicken fish or lentils are excellent for iron. And again, you do want to make sure that there is at least one or two different vegetables as part of that meal. Like, I said don't worry so much about the amounts baby will adjust an eight bigger amounts of food as they get bigger and become more confident with food. But at this stage, you do want to encourage as much variety and texture progression. As possible that's a priority. And then for calcium you can't use infant formula. If your baby is still having that and that could go in between meals, so that they're getting their calcium that way or you can stop thinking about desserts or snacks that are counting Forty-five. There could be there's a great range of their free yogurts now that are calcium forty five. You can also do things like finger foods, so cutting up slices of bread, or toast or bread sticks and dip that into HAMAs and because of the sesame seeds or the tar he pays in that they are sources of calcium. I mean, it's not going to be a huge source of calcium, but it will contribute to the overall intake for the day. You can also use interlocked we've talked about can use mile herbs and spices for flavour and dairy free custard is going to be a really good. One as well as you just buy a dairy free custard. Packard, and then you can use a calcium fortified plundering to make the make the custard, you kind, of course, carry on using babies specialist infant formula. And that way, they will also get their vitamins and minerals, depending on how much of the formula. They're having in total for the day. You may not Quant need to start the vitamin drops. Just yet if you're carrying on with breast milk, and by the stage, your baby should be on a victim in a c and d drops and they'll carry on with them till five years of age. The other good things to include in between meals are things like mini sandwiches or pieces of bread road up with avocado. And then it could have a not base bread HAMAs or just another dip prepare Batat Heaney. I was thinking about beat. Because that's such a beautiful bright color that could be mixed with tahema make a really yummy. Calcium enriched at dip really because you could also top with a little bit of plant drink or the infant formula as another additional source of calcium sort of get that the right consistency for the and of course, what about are the high allergenic foods, you can read a little bit more about this. I have a blog post cold weaning, high allergenic foods went to start. So the official advise at the moment is that you don't need to avoid anything else. Other than the milk dairy delaying. Introducing things like eggs nuts. Gluten sesame so fish may actually unnecessarily increase the chance that your child will be allergic to these food. So it's actually protective to introduce these foods early, and when I say early just anytime between six and twelve months. Of age as you move through. Introducing solid from vegetables fruit. Then he may introduce lentils and other iron rich foods, you might introduce then calcium rich foods, and as you sort of gradually expand the range of solids offered it in a you want to make sure that you are including things like fish nuts. Gluten bread eggs, scrambled eggs for breakfast. For example, is really handy, and that could be topped up with a calcium fortified infant formula or plant drink to get it to the texture that you want, and of course, things like dairy free pancakes, you need eggs in this as long as these foods are well cooked. And you're introducing them one at a time to make sure that you're wear that your child is perfectly fine with those foods. There's no reason why. Why you should delay? Or void these foods that you really want to introduce these foods from anytime between six and onto twelve months of age, you want to have introduced these foods more of that in the blog posts are make sure that that's also lent. A copy of that in the show notes or you'll be able to click on the link in the blog posts that corresponds to this podcast episode. If you're looking for more ideas on putting together a dairy free meal plan, then he can't read splo- post code how to design the best dairy free meal plan, and that has lots of links to recipes as well. So that's over on my website UK kids nutrition dot com, but I put up copy of the link to that blog post in the show notes below. I've also got a free. Download on my website that are dairy free recipes that can also be gluten free. Free and the link for that is you k kids nutrition dot com forward slash dairy dash free dash recipes. Dash for dash kids dash guide that's a bit of a mouthful. So they'll definitely be linked to that in the show notes. But it's a repeat bat you kick his nutrition dot com forward slash dairy dash free dash recipes dash for dash kids dash guide. So finally, what about babies calcium requirements, and I would definitely recommend listening to that podcast episode. What you need to do before reaching for calcium supplements. It's also written up as a blog post. So you can visit the plug on UK kids nutrition dot com to read through that. And I know that many of you listen to the pot cars on your way to work or if you're at the gym. So do make sure that you come back to this episode and visit the length. Because they all going to be really useful in helping you put together a many plan that's going to be dairy free. So we've spoken about the calcium requirements throughout this episode. But they do change with a so it's a really good idea again to speak to your pediatric dietitian children's nutritionist about whether your child is getting enough and what you need to do to optimize your child's intake. And this is really important if you are also following a plant based diet 'cause there's some research that's been published recently suggesting that families falling a plant based on are more likely not to be meeting the daily requirements for calcium. So what that means is that potentially the, you know, the bones are not getting enough of the calcium. It requires for your child to have. Lower risk of fracture. If they were to have a fall. So you just want to really try maximize the calcium Nettie Chinese because remember that bone mass is like a Bank account, you can deposit as much calcium as you can before the age of twenty so that they have maximum peak bone mass by them by the early twenties and thereafter, they operate unity to build strong bone reduces particularly from the age of thirty five as our people in mass dance to decline and love to know. If this episode was helpful please do send me a message over on Instagram, which is at UK it's nutrition. You can also book a call with me using my online calendar there'll be a link again in the show. No that we can talk about how we can work together. And how I. Support you with your baby's day, free digesting.

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Burgers, Baristas, Allergy heaven in Ambleside and Food Matters Live

The Allergy Today Podcast

44:37 min | 1 year ago

Burgers, Baristas, Allergy heaven in Ambleside and Food Matters Live

"Hello and welcome back to -ality today my name is Alice. Rose and I'm joined by Gordon and I'm Ruth Holroyd and today we're going to be talking about Our Week and we have very exciting special guest exciting for me. Lucie Nicholson who runs Lucy's on a plate in animal side and we chatted about in previous episode of the podcast and she really does have her kitchen under strict control. On the allergist rule. Catered for that. We'll give her a ring in the moment first small. Let's talk about some things that have happened in the news. Recently one. That was very sad. Was the eighteen year old boy who died from eating a burger. It's just so tragic a car. I mean. Every time one of these stories comes up. You just can't believe it's happening in a way and that is to be one after the other doesn't it exactly is is to still happening especially expandable yes. His name was Owen Carey and he went to buy a Burger Byron Burger the O two arena London and he told them about his dairy allergy. Now I must admit if I had a dairy allergy. I wouldn't think to ask when I was buying a burger. So so what happened Ruth. What happened with this story appears that the staff weren't really aware of this either but there was buttermilk on the actual chicken so it didn't look like it has the need milk in it but it was marinated in buttermilk? So own wasn't told that in staff didn't know that the problem with that restaurant is they were going with the verbal communication indication. So if you're looking at that Burger yeah you're right. Looks like it's got no dairy in it. It was cooked in dairy and that then makes it unsafe summer with dairy allergy. And what they're saying. Now the family Nia saying that is not good enough. The verbal communication of the restaurants or of noisy staff turnover is really high and also customers can often be young. So it's just they just have to change how this is done here. So he died fifty five minutes later there were so many arms of his girlfriend is just talk to his heartbreaking. Now did he have an EPI pen. Did he have antihistamine. No he didn't have his with him. Which is another thing which we talk about in other episodes with Dan who is a bit older than young men are quite risk? Because where do they carry their they. They are the ones that leave it behind often. She's one of my bugbears that you have to be carrying them all the time but it must be said. The blame needs breath to lie with with the restaurant. Does it staff training isn't it. And the communication. The the staff were asked the question and they couldn't I answer it so they must have been lacking in some kind of training now. I understand that in fact that they've upped their game. So there's a there's a quote here from Emma Katcher sister who said that Byron who really up their game and they do go above and beyond now as to what the current legislation says and they proactively ask if any body has allergies so they've learned but it took a death to do that. How many more times is this going to happen before something changes and what needs to change? Well I think from what I've learned is the people just need to start taking allergies more seriously it needs to be a higher priority list and cannot take a death breath to change this the Muslim. Yeah true I wonder if when people have reactions with reporters well in my case in most of my energy rations take the case with. Oh and he's left the premises. He's not there if he didn't have a serious reaction if he got better. Would you have gone back to that. Restaurant would just never gone back to Byron with have complained poll story there of what we do have less severe reactions. Still bad they still might put you in hospital. But you haven't died if I'd gone back to a place because I'd had had reaction. I don't think I would have got much engagement. Frankly you can imagine a scenario. Hello I came into your burger shop. Yesterday I felt very over. Twenty for hours cannot speak to the manager and the manager will just write it down somewhere. Yeah exactly nothing will change change. We have to keep reporting these things yes it might. I'd be a pain in the ASS for you to go back to that restaurant. Talk about it when you're actually you find now it's over and done within probably just want to get on with your week but you want to read card that yeah. The responsibility needs to be on on both sides customers. One of the things that I've started doing is reporting restaurants the Food Standards Agency. Especially if I think. There's some learning needs to happen. You report it and the Food Standards Agency will look into it. You don't have to do anything. What do they do when they've got complained? They speak to the local council and and then just as you would with a worry about food poisoning or unclean kitchens or something like that they will investigate and it's it comes under the same remastered environmental health of people. It's not easy to rates. Can you just quote long questionnaire. I've done a couple of times now. You know what they had an APP where you could just report something quickly and easily as this kind of stuff this development funding that hard. But you've got to go look for that and know that you can do it. It's probably any probably know exactly. Not many people probably now and it's probably enough of a barrier isn't it distinct comp. Copy Austin you've lived on if it's not a serious reaction or you haven't had to go to hospital you just move on. You never go back. Go back especially if you have been if you've had experiences in the past where you haven't been taken seriously and people have just gone. Oh sorry about that the point I suppose it's a whole load of ideas in my mind about how we could address this. I think the APP would be terrific. Thing reported APP if it was managed managed a proper way so that you knew that it was going to the environmental agency. They were tracking all these things and then there were some followup. I've had follow up every every time it's quite slick once you've done it you know they need people to know about it and to make it easier to you if you made it an APP. You'd do it while you're in the restaurant not twenty into a new download the full monty intimate exactly and it gives you. It gives the consumer the power back. Because it's like right in. This has happened to you. Higo his real easy way to do something about it without you. Having look. Would all be a cell phone and move honorable position after you ready. So that's appeal to our listeners. To the allergy today. podcast would an APP help you to report. What places to make the world a better place would that be enough to to give you the incentive to do get in touch with us? You know how to do so social media. The HASHTAG is allergy allergy today or you can email us at hello at allergy today dot co Dot. UK That's the one breath you shared an article about how the headline was quite dramatic. Wasn't it wasn't it because trendy nuts pick upon trendy nut. milks put coffee chains out of bounds. For Allergy sufferers. That was in. The Telegraph makes a really good point which I had never considered before it was not not out of bounds it. It's just not safe. I've talked about this before. If you go into the coffee shop pure borough familiar the beautiful machines. They have the spout that they for the milk with. I'm so time to do the sound defense copy mattering inbound like it. If you just look at that the one second and you've got serious dairy allergy. You're not going to buy a coffee made from the dirty rag. That's been wiping all of the milk. Residue off of that spouse McKay decided. That's not good for me. That spout is dipped in milk. So if somebody wanted a different kind of milk so an almond milk soy milk presumably they would steam heat that as well with the same spout. Yes yes now you've got cross-contamination of dairy pigmy outside with the sake rag is not going to get the allergens off. Why not for two reasons? One it's going to be inside the spout insights insights about. Yeah and secondly. He's a cursory whiter. Really making me not want to have a spout and I've been I've heard people IOS said to me. Oh the steam gets rid of the outages. It doesn't I used to work in a coffee shop. Many many moons ago and I have been one of those that use the dirty sake rag on the okay. I'm actually milk is quite difficult to get office because it does stick. It doesn't wash off with water. It's great and by the end of the day. You have to really give it a good scrape because it's from the holiday is is actually quite gross on this cross-contamination the other way of course. Because if somebody like me who can't do almonds if they were to some almond milk. Gosh and then give me dairy milk. There would be a potential for cross contamination there actually so it works. Both ways. Probably haven't thought about that. The never thought about it. So you were saying Ruth. There is a work around in their. Take your own milk. Yeah just make the poor milk street in. Just don't have nice hot steam. That's the saints. Defeat the object of one of these coffeeshops with forty two different kinds of marketing copy. I still enjoy go for a coffee. Allows you what you have just recently. I have been having plant milks but I will watch them. Pour into my drink. And what do they say when you challenge them probably think I'm slightly weird and I've been given hot hot milk. Instead of oat milk it was like a language barrier. I'd said Oh milk and she'd said Oh yes. I thought she said back but she said hot milk milk. Unless it's I asked oat milk and she said Oh you say hot milk see sound so similar that you can get confusion. Yeah Ashton Translation. That me. 'cause I'm really really fussy. I watch you pull my milkin. Please don't trust you come over here and do it once again. It's it's all about trust and can we trust the BARISTA. Can we trust the waiter. Can we trust the restaurant. They're doing thousands of coffees in the day. Okay so they just go on autopilot as we say time and time again it's a world of jeopardy Outta even with friends make the amount of times it happens in these people that know and now be handing me my drink and they just put milk in so come on allergy today. Listen tell us your story is how do you deal with the Barista in your local coffee shop. Are you studious. CBS Like Rufus. Or do you limit your choice from the menu to something that you know. We'll be safe and shoot you live at your choice. You shouldn't have to feel you. You're excluded just because you've got allergies and they can't be asked to do anything about it but they have like two gainers soya. Milk could be led to that someone could be legitimate nut milks but no other. No I mean it's a mind though. But after that the problem exactly they all the service providers workout service service which caters for your customers be inclusive not exclusive. I've got little handheld steam as he could always just froth them. What's the point of going to a coffee shop? If you get thrown copy bring you read. Mill can bring lickona cattle. I think you've got the business model wrong here of service the point that really addressing that balance is really important because as much as we say. Take ship of your allergies and you still want to get that silence of actually being able to walk into a cafe or restaurant and enjoy the service that there's work to do on the coffee shop so tell me how have you all week Spin Ruth and contents we start with you is because it hasn't been that grey. Haven't done very very much apart from nurse myself because I've managed to get shingles. which is her renders? If anyone has had it they will know so painful. I've never experienced the like it and they. This is a side effect from one of the medications you were taking. I think so. I've been having blood tests while has been on methotrexate which is supposed to help with my expert expert and I think it has helped with my ex smoker if this is the side effect then. It's not a good option really misses horrendous. And I now can't take that drug anymore because it's given giving me shingles older people more susceptible to it something. You can get an old age more and when you run down. People with cancer can be at more risk. Because they've go away mean system on your immune system at the moment must be going haywire. Because you've given up topical steroids. Yeah it's probably not great and I'm on this drug that isn't immune suppressant isn't so we'll see we'll see what happens now off the methotrexate. Nothing bad so far. I'm I'm in so much pain I'm not even thinking about scratching shingles contagious no. You can't cut shingles for me. But if you haven't had chicken pox you could catch chickenpox but only if you came into contact with the virus sophie shed tiles flannels or something so oh he's highly contagious but not really. If it's covered up seems horribly unfair is you know going through this stuff and then naturally as a side effect this is going. Oh Oh really good steak. Is You wishing you better from from afar avenue wherever the airwaves. Today aren't we. And what about you Quentin. This has been the first week that I've had no issues since we started this podcast. Wow warm I'm delighted to hear. The two thoughts interesting does take quite a good few weeks now recording. This had no food issues this week and and not had any more of a flare ups. So I'm feeling pretty good at the moment. Yes I'm sorry to say I'm in the peak of health relative to up up really yes we should. We should celebrate the weeks. You issues or problems. That is the goal and that is good to hear so I gotTa Greenstock this week to go on my child on the Fridge Cassini. Oh my Lee has been Only halfway through my pregnancy. I don't fuck deliver food at the moment. A lot of food as in quantities are you craving. I'm not particularly craving anything. Actually I just want to eat a lot of talent not nothing. You notice that you eat that you not so keen on anymore anymore. Do you know the first time I was pregnant. I couldn't face of vegetable in the first trimester. Didn't wasn't interested in for you couldn't drink coffee. I love coffee gene so but this time not so much. I've actually been craving more sweet fruity things unliveable. Three twice Anthony But we have had a chat today. Haven't we couldn't him have because we're in the officers of food matters and we've been recording another podcast which should be out any day now. The food matters podcast. So interesting wasn't an who is a really interesting panel discussion from lots of quite high up. People undefeated industry and one of the topics of discussion was about transparency. That people who got allergens just need to know what's in the food and you need to have traceability ability right the way back to the production plant and that does not exist. The conversation in that podcast was interesting because it does exist in the organics world. If you you claim to have organic carrots you have to be able to trace back to the farm. Exactly how much insecticide you have or have not used in order to have the organic stamp. It's it's possible the begs the question. Why don't we do the same for allergens roof? You must have come across this before in discussion people sites. May we not sure what's in. This is not something we made here you know. They've bought it in and they haven't got any person it came from. Yeah I have been told that before when you just sometimes you take a risk so it would be good if the food industry had traceability and I wonder how difficult it is for them to set scheme like that or maybe this resistance from the food industry to do it. You can imagine the lobbying against it interesting to be in the room. When they're doing that I think they were? DC catering for people with allergies as a lot more work like you've got to make up your men Muse. Equal to mark them with allergies are in there and then you can't deviate from that menu recipe and I think we're already seen is hard work though. I had an interesting experience against this week. Related to this I went to buy something in. Waitress was a green sticker on the product which said recipe change. Oh never seen Anywhere else up. Good boy could I do with that because when they do change the recipe as somebody with allergies. You need to know what they've changed because I kind of our take. It was just something like a sausage roll or something but they had actually changed the recipe and they fly ended up with a little green sticker. And I thought well done you. I have had that before with something thing where I was eating. It and my mom was then sitting there going. Oh stop eating this change the recipe and it's got Niba Domino's in it but yeah we hadn't noticed in this quite quite interesting. We're talking about free from an future of free from and that there's been a such a massive trend in wanting into eat vegan vegetarian food and the impact the butts on the food industry and we would kind of talking about him. That's hard for people with allergies because because Vegan foods are on the rise and particularly young people are making the choice to go Vegan or plant based the food industry is still lumping that together. Yeah the with allergies and it's probably dealt with by the same department and he shouldn't be because that different to say about you ruth but I've experienced when you say there's something about allergies. There is an element of assumption. You must be a Vegan. Yeah I've had asked me loads of times. Yeah see then getting only you're not getting any dairy or okay any meets either. Give me. I need my degree when that happens and also for Vegan is given something. That's not plant-based say there's milk it. They wouldn't necessarily know. But if a dairy allergy person is given something no can be really ill wants a choice. I'm one is. I'm not sure if people take so much care for somebody that's making a choice. I wonder with Vegan foods actually whether there is a need to worry about cross-contamination. I mean you'd think that they'd be passionate about it and I'll bet they're not. I think the saw those people offering the food maybe not. That's another addition of the allergy. Did they focused. I'd be horrified. Yeah transparency is about being able to see what ingredients are and one of the guests on that podcast. The food matters podcast. We took part in Julia Klein. She is from the sustainable kitchen and she made an interesting interesting comment about restaurants who cater for people with allergies and do that as part of their service. I was thinking about Lucy's on a plate in amble aside and ruth. We went there a few weeks ago. We talked about it in the podcast the other week we did and we said about it you couldn't you liked. What was it the putting that you liked the alice remember? So let's get Lucy on the phone. Let's have a chat to her and find out a little a bit more about her restaurant on how she deals with people. So let's dial are now I lose. Is Ruth Yeah how are you good. Thanks Yeah Hi Quentin Hi. You're a free literally. Just walk into the apprently. We just want to do a little sort of feature on. Ruth's experience of going to your restaurant and being bowled over I think by the attentiveness uh-huh right behind you gave so just quickly sort of tell you a story we would just find you really last minute as well. And they had a place available for a group of four and not the problem to cater for me and Lucy. You spent about twenty minutes ten to me about my allergies and then also coming down who is always gets a little bit worried about me so yeah. Thank you so much for that because it was really. We all had a lovely male. We were blown away by particularly me. Lemon drizzle pudding which kind hundred like taking over the whole lingering. Memory is just wanted a bit more of that really. Tell us about this restaurant that you run and how you cater for people like roof. You've got all sorts of allergies knotted Adelie because I love people and I love food and I also found in those days which is that he has written our Internet Internet with no telephone. My phone is very difficult to find things that For people who have particular needs for taking the third set years ago food was not definitely not on the radar in the way that is now people didn't really appreciate it what they put in what they would get out so they can also and how much it affected the health mile daughter. Who before I tell you the story with sixty three now at two children with leukemia when she was just two years old and and the only route that we could take to? Hopefully tension co her with stock of chemotherapy. I'm quite into alternative medicine and don't like like the idea of of putting too many horrible things in you but there was no other way so I knew there was a lot of writing and things in America and I loot those about you are what you eat and how you can handle yourself through food and how I found out about gleason on dairy and how it affects got So although I believe feeding her Clayton Free Diet to it I do think that it massively helped with her acceptance of the chemotherapy unser ability to resist some of the side effects. Sickness the information of the gut the mouth ulcers from patient. All that kind of thing and she didn't have a look at the effects that the other children had in the ward by not much like not having eaten. Sometimes you know stuff the off the trolley. In the morning she knew what she could and couldn't have even as little go on. I kind of then translated that into what I did in shop and I got not really into it and I realized how many people the everybody I'm trying to kick but how many people really didn't need it somebody wants to do. I need will be great and I can get. It's not it fine but you know you don't even glutinous and I can promise you if you did you. Wouldn't you know they could get and not how. I came down the path of restaurants that made show people that aware of what was on the page overestimate and now thankfully. We have to be very allergy aware and very young Conscious of what we put into the food that we feed. I enjoy doing now. What's the approach you take? Do you have a standard menu. which is gluten free or do you consult with each view guests and make something specially now and we have a standard menu so the majority of what we do is gluten free and we're sort of Remote would think dairy free as well wherever possible final. You have to be aware of theologists. I mean there are you know. They're quite off the main analysis. Now that you have to be aware of to to inform Yoga so when you run an establishment such as ours you know. It's quite the responsible thing but in terms of what we do. We quite well known for being a unique and individual. I think we all know thing individuals so we stick to script in the sense so if somebody comes in and says you know I have show or I have a particular ingredient salary. Or what have you and you know we are able to consign. Tell them what they can have which is a much nicer way of saying it's and then what they compact We have our own menu but because of the way on menu is done I mean most things do not need to have the ingredients in for example. Why do people sick and soups with flower? They don't need to you know taste to it. Just as good of course never thought of the refresh the way of looking at it and I love it was marked up so well I only needed to check. Does this putting have nuts in and I'm praying that I can have to lemon drizzle. We already knows wheat free and dairy free. So it's just it was really nice experience for me and I love the you're talking Lucy about looking at the things that people can have. They can't have. I think I'm learning a lot about doing. This book is having to take away the choices. The time so to be able to incorporate the needs of people is just such a lovely exploded and it was more like rather than feeling like I can have something but there's loads of bits missing from that meal which is often the case. Of course. I had different turn on Avocados. You make sure that the food looks and tastes the same very much. I mean the first bites with the is was ever. You won't be Oh food preference. You know whether your convoy or meat-eater fishy to a pet Qatar IAN or a Vegan. All you can't have you know sugar wheat flour soy all the rest of it you still want to be able to find. Food is really really appetizing. You know and I'm sure we will remember it no the days when you know you had read in teams with this offering. Yeah you know we we. Might you know really nice. gluten-free bread and and I'm where I think I think I think the key for having a nice experience an or should be. The case is communication so to walk into a restaurant. Don't have no idea what your allergies or intolerances are. All that happening is trying to touching them blindsided. You know people say oh. We've got somebody in our policy. Who is for to its intolerance DARRIEL COP now? It means that we already advised us up when they come in. indies might feel uncomfortable. They don't make us feel uncomfortable. The two way street and so I do think that knowledge is key. If you are phoning ahead took a restaurant then just let them know you know. I always let them know that. I don't want to sit in the middle of the room for argument's sake then you know. Hopefully I've on a nine hundred ninety conus wanted someone because from a restaurant points-of-view knowledge is a What we know we can do it? And it's the same in everyday life. Isn't it when you have to deal with knowing that what you are going to eat is going to suit your needs. We have to know that what we're serving. You is the right thing. Yeah can I ask. What would your advice be to the people who run the restaurant? The actually turned away. What would you say to them about how they might be able to approach things differently next time? Someone with an allergy gets in touch and does let them know. Look I'm coming in and all these allergies. What could they do differently? I think you you have to have a different head on as far as your training your staff. Somehow I'd like to think that people who run businesses change change their attitude. I mean there's no doubt that says the customer is always right. Let me put that to distance. The customer is not always right but we recap make them believe that they are the same thing different way really But it makes myself in a lot more comfortable unable to deal with program because may not be right but you know the member of team to try and make them feel right. I think where a restaurant is advice. Jason Avant Garde. She's GonNa be ninety four to go and they said you should be able to get the cool we can do do that. Is there anything else that you could. You tell us what you can hap- up. What do you like to finding out what they do like? It's much better than finding out what Tom T. I mean finding out what they teach is important but then find out what they like. What do you like me? Do you like vegetables. You like sauces. You know all those things. How many restaurants are you going to and you know for well being train I am? I reading the book chain such a refreshing attitude. I don't think I've ever been asked. What can you eat? It's a negative negative process. What can't you eat how to us? And and that gap bland. Your putting your trust in them and really know whether they're what they're doing but to be asked positively what you like like. It's refreshing simple thing to do. So when are we going to do very welcome. I definitely creeped trend. I think I think that definitely I mean I you know I love people and I think we all individuals you could serve a meal. Same email doesn't matter whether it's things that happen to the two to four people you're up now but everyone would have a different or how about. Somebody might not like it spicy too wet from two kinds of things. Nobody hot the same taste experiences. The next person to them so we need find out what people like and and sometimes restaurants put things out thinking about for the guest. Won't because you know popular you know. I learned that from the shot live on demand and supply no supply and demand basis and. That is a much better way of looking at your business really site. Okay what what is it that you would like that we can give you that will make your overall a really nice one and I say overall because that's we'll nobody remembers good food as opposed to They always remember. Could serve it interesting psycho. One final question I wanted. That's how many people you get requesting special dietary Neil's like Beicai did it common daily and sometimes I'm looking at the Irish tonight. I've got three three the same one thing. The I know the people that say. Oh Gypsy dairy free. But most people tell us because they united that we will accommodate them because he was before we could make a beeline for ramble side. Lucy's of embassy collusive on a plate. Sounds like the place it does when you do mention that. You're going to have a chat with them beforehand. You're on the menu. It will say it said that we were Rafferty party of four and it just mentioned someone's birthday someone's listening. This is a little paragraph beginning about. WHO's going off? It's just such a lovely idea. I'm telling you celebrating even breaking thing above ground. Well I see you again before long here before along with your lovely overzealous on. I thought it was wonderful. We should have somebody takes us like. Oh it's lovely having having having that person 'cause I'm coughing lasy say it's the possibility Lucie that you've got puddings that I can eat desserts because I I don't eat eggs so I avoid desert. It's just easier now. You must avoid putting when you come here. I many delicious runs. You know we have delicious baked peaches. We have constructed crumbles and lots of things that have a rice pudding. How have you dairy free as well? Just acceded try. Coconut Rice Pudding. Loosen lovely to talk to you thank you. I hope you'll come visit uh-huh definitely thanks Lucy. Good night torch you five five so all. I think. She's a bit of a pioneer and from what I have learned through doing this because she seems to be definitely not the norm in preached. This would you say that's been doing it for years as well like way before everyone else was she was doing it. So she's she's a trend leader. But you don't see that in restaurants as a common thing. It's still the case you go into a restaurant restaurant and it's what can't you eat rather than how could make something that you can eat. And there's a big difference in that much of the language around leave important as netminding Eh if you're someone who lives validated new restrictions of already been put upon you. You haven't made these choices. I've always been of the thought that I'll just make so easy for people so I do have the same thing all the time. So when some delight Lucy does go to these lengths. I don't have to have a state go hannigan chips. Which is why have everywhere anywhere? You're right actually. I do the same thing I just default to. What I know is going to work which it when it comes to puddings it generally is? Have you got the fruit so by play. Not even that contrast sorbet because sometimes so Beza made with wider vague. Check on you have to ask and then when you ask you this interesting reaction. They don't want to tell you because it's come out of a packet and I've said just give me the box of ice cream in another chef loud application the kitchen. Give me the bloody box so I can read the Ingraham self because I trust you so the such a lot to do and actually restaurants could do a lot by moving to this allergy friendly friendly approach that Lucy has without being to them. It won't do them any harm for anyone who doesn't know what deleterious means. Thank you I was wondering to say. That's your word of the week on the. Yeah so we thought that we might start Sharon recipe feeds tryout and we have around a really nice one because we were so obsessed with her lemon juice. Wake from Lucy's on a plate. I've gone to Michelle Berry. Dow Johnson's website foods method dot Com loads of recipes. And there's a free from lemon juice. Okay Crespi here. So I'm going to read out ingredients to here with new. Tell me if you can eat this cake so it says that it's gluten lactose milk. nightshade nut peanut sesame. Soya and wheat free and ingredients are number one dairy free spread. Do you eat now. Cost of sugar or light Muscadet. SHOULDA YEP YEP two large eggs thoughts you outclassed. Instilling by you would walk in. Its Rusty by nine people use bananas instead substitute in case especially in cakes. Yeah we might well and how it would affect the taste but in this particular on Ben. I know I can do a flax relax substitute for weet egg rag. Okay Does it have raising powers think. So how'd it goes Lucknow AETNA's weekly pay so it's actually the binder rather than a raising agent. Yeah I dubs FEMME gluten wheat free white self raising flour flour once too awfully. Poppy seeds icing sugar. Yeah there you go so you you can recreate driver. Yeah do that is all food calm under the under the recipes and they came as well so a tab so I I think we should make these recipes every week and we should it. Okay you're on and we would love to hear from you if you make one of these recipes as well. We'll we'll add them to the show that we have just been joined by Brian. Monzo Lewis who we've sort of like gatecrashed your offices assist today. We Friday was like Oh okay. Sure come audit. We're very grateful for this and we would love to hear it from Hebron a little bit more about food matters lives they tell us tell us a little more about it. It's free practice. Lloyd takes place in November at London's Excel Centre This will be the sixth edition and what it aims to do is it puts innovation at the heart of the injuring sector. So we cover all the. He can main trends that are happening. So everything from free from two innovations free from from the ingredients right with the finished products and we'll look at things like plant based foods roots. Got Health is another really important one coming through and we have over two hundred fifty speakers across two days coming and sharing their insights and their expertise with the audience. We basically acidly connect People looking for new ideas new solutions and ingredients with some of the latest innovations on the market as well as bias so buyers is from food service and retail looking for some of those new young emerging brands. I'm ribs did not innovation here because that seems to me off. I guess like new hype for people with allergies. We've obviously seen a lot of change in the free from category since we've been doing this But also seen the ingredients activity step up and ready. We try to provide solutions. That will work for people with allergies becoming more educated. I guess themselves about some of the breadth of allergies. were out there. Do you received big challenge. Still in the education of food producers. Getting them to understand a simple thing. Like the difference between allergy and intolerance on the more complicated things is like making sure that the food prices are trackable untraceable. I think there is. There has been a huge shift in that. There's obviously still some way to go But it's very complex and I think the injury manufacturing sector I think is definitely embraced some of the challenges. I think some of the big issues also line food service. They have some really significant issues there in terms of trying to be able to meet the needs of consumers who might have different levels of food intolerances yes and educating their staff. And what about your own story have. Why did you get involved in the world? We were looking at the food and drink elements looking at injuring sector and obviously we could see this huge shift in the free from sector and fitted with all what we were trying trying to do with around innovation and we could see that they you know you see so many products coming on smoking now from claims or and also others from committing and it's a meeting things like plant based diets as well new for that so it made perfect sense for us to be per focus on it. Do you think there's a confusion between people who are making lifestyle style choices about foods so decided to go plant based or Vegan and allergy. Is that healthy or unhealthy EVOLA. I definitely think there is some confusion. I think it's very different if you are choosing to follow a plant based Diet after personal choice rather than actually the need that you have to do sometimes think that maybe there's just a little bit of not quite understanding that empathetic element Matt. What's the fix? Is it about the terminology is it. I think it's about terminology. And I also think about a greater understanding grows still from from everybody from all the players really think from the food and drink industry the ingredients sector the producers themselves The retailers breath and how they position the whole category. It's like everything that's a bit like a base you know there's won't let everyone has to work together. I think I've been a few times now. I find I really enjoy it. Because it's completely different. The allergy show and you get to actually speak to some of these companies produce. The the food is fascinating. It's just vast massive massive. Show what do you say rate than I mean. Obviously it's a business business shy but actually as a consumer you find eh beneficial. Yeah I've been a couple of times and certainly very different really really interesting and that's famous talks as well that going in the middle. The famous chefs the headstones of the world. Really interesting debates that they have yeah. Do you vote for any that. Do quite hype over the same as as that needs to to be done. And there's lots of I do think one of the things that we've seen over the course of the time is the explosion in the amount of young entrepreneurial -Tario startup companies community injuring industry. I think the injuring federation say ninety seven percent of the UK's sector is now made up of ESA means of many many entrepreneurs of Melfi is brought out in a product to market and driven out was ever needs but with that comes a challenge in the fact that they don't necessarily because they're not from the fringe industry not necessarily have the expertise to make health claims. They run into some kind of problems with the dietetic community. Sometimes and I think one of the challenges is that level of innovation is growing at such a rate that almost for everyone else to keep up with that is really hard and of course that means that as a consumer products coming out the market and retailers are stalking them rightly or wrongly potentially leads to further a consumer confusion. Brian I'm good to go to magic wand in your hand now his magic wand and you can do anything you like with that to improve the world of allergies people who suffer from allergies the politics or the health side of it. What would you do with your magic wand? I think it touching on that point around this sort of explosion in young entrepreneurs bringing products to market some of which great I think I would really like to see greater. I took collaboration understanding across the whole food sector. Whether it's the dietetic community who can often be very vocal about some of these young young brands and what the market. It is very much the fact that they can bring. These Brown's the market that is you know sometimes causes much debate. But I would like to see everybody working closely together. I think if I had if I had my magic wand that's what I would do. They can do that at the show in November. They certainly can Mesa Mason Tom Bryant. He's been a pleasure having you on the allergy today. podcast thank you very much indeed and thank you for the use of your lovely office in London very come and Shat with us. If have you had any experiences. We'd love to hear as well if you make the lemon drizzle cake recipe that we've just Chad and we will be making that in the next few weeks and we'll let you know what we think of cooking. And don't forget to subscribe and rate US wherever you gay podcast from like shares on social media and do get in contact with us with your all stories so that we can share the wrong allergy today. Which is allergy today? 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002 Lactose Intolerance and Dairy Allergy - What You Need To Know

Healthy Eating For Kids

41:11 min | 1 year ago

002 Lactose Intolerance and Dairy Allergy - What You Need To Know

"Hello and welcome to healthy. Eating for kids podcasts on your host ball. He then people registered paediatric Titian, nutrition experts and order I understand that making the right nutritional choices for your child can be daunting. But it doesn't need to be. I'm going to help you tease out the facts from fiction. So we'll be meeting experts working with kids to inspire and build your chance confidence when it comes to nutrition. So let's dive in. In today's show me Rothe mum of Sadie who had an egg allergy and still has an immediate allergic reaction today. You'll hear from her daughter Sadie before rose and takes us through a Charles allergy journey. We had a video chat as rose numbers new-zealand, and you might hear Sadie banning around in the background, but the content is so good that. I'm sure you won't mind. But before we get into today's show. I just want to remind you that you can't download for three five tasty dairy free recipes, but kids these party recipes, which I think you will love so make sure that I put a copy of the link for you to download in the show notes if you'd also like to learn how you can work with me, I'll put a link in the show notes. So that you can book. A free fifteen minute consultation. So that we can chat about how we can work together. Now, let's get on with the show. And welcome to my show. Would you like to do this saving? And your Hello chain. Three four and match. He came Ren Ryan Lynch book. Yeah. It's gonna be exciting thing at three when they turn for to bring their own lunch was at the moment. They cooked may amazing and tell me about food at Nestle is do you have especially at nursery different lunch to your friends. Do not every time. I. By he said, what's in your lunch? Sometimes radio's sometimes. S some rain Nash as in pay. That sounds delicious. Do not keep food in rate. You do and do sometimes eat differently what? Mommy and daddy makes it. Do. And what do you think about that? Pounds up. You don't mind, it's quite delicious. What makes fears? She's right here. Why do you think you have a different meals? Everybody necessary. Why why do they sometimes make you something special? Heck camera Nate what going to? End. Usually, we just say Deary. Melk and baton dishes say. Well done. Did you have to do anything special in some somebody gives you food to do you need to do better? Run on around. Oh, no entered that happened. Nope. Very lonely. There came. Also, we've got a guy that's a couple of things been mixed up here. One the wrong note and the one the KFI gave the rubble. What's not many have the wrong milk? Guts burned down you go Cirque. I joined the more on. You serve out didn't you to start with which isn't normally happens. But he did that. And what happened to you? Applies. You tell. Oh. Daddy, came and got you that time didn't they faced Betty got big quickly. And what today get you? And the book really to jump Honey much all my questions Roshii is truly delightful. Thank you so much for joining me on healthy eating for kids podcasts, which you lie to introduce yourself. Now. No problem. So when I'm is rose. I am a middleware and Wellington New Zealand. I have two little hits nearly four euros crew. Tidy and a nearly rounding out ten month. But who? Me too took about Sadie because we shave was fist frying solids way. That she was a dairy and a bit of learning for us. Oh, thank you for sharing. The story has today to tell me how did you? I know you briefly mentioned that it was being introduced solids Accu discussion daily outta she. But would you mind describing happened? Exactly. Yeah. To lately. Said he was exclusively breastfeed impact. Choose a bit of a pain because she didn't lie detector bottle Eshel express smoke and tried will because express no just she just push the button away time. I tried that when we started introducing solids, which for us was actually around the bath or an half five months, and that was really just giving her a little bit of baby rice mixed with snow, which we fine. Basically, I'm gonna try some formula mix formula end with the brace no concede of risk note. Because a frankly gotten a bit sick of expressig milk in having a baby that didn't want to take the bottle at all. Thought just makes up this formula pup to then and gave her this baby rice, and she would as off by mental babies to with pretty miss as she handed alive at all ever by. I was confident that some was coming in. But not allowed all hands. Seep trotto months thought you'd head enough Heikal out. Get ready to take something else news. I started Clayton her off by seventy realize that her hands were bright ridge and up to Elbert, and it started to swell up ending when I started to wash off the facts, I realized that all around in face was executive science at all on grade and was starting to get swollen. She hisself was quite happy at didn't seem bullet. But may come from a family with no history of allergies. All lied saying. Elegies the bumped EBay or votes or from stories, so I had no. Idea with this guy to suddenly ten into and Alexis. I had a big panic cooled by fiscal was straight to by Jay. And just see what should I do that? I just the hell Alexi Dr striper now it's gonna be quick to have a love right now rather than going to the hospital thrower in the car and very very quick drive over the hill win strident. The Jake office nicer source straight away and even in that time period the reaction head gone down at not completely. It'd just reduced a little bit of reassurance that she wasn't going to suddenly stop breathing. But it seemed like Mickley reaction something my initial thought was that must have been something in the formula. And it must be because she had made formula performance from some sort of free action. The it didn't they actually even occasionally at that point that it was a dairy allergy because just hadn't really thought about it. So I got high and promptly chopped down will. But we're not doing that again and always good for a few ways. In the next time. I tried, sir. We reverted to the race milk. The baggage already expressed fries into mixup things. And in one day. I actually about six months, the Nixon a bit of flying unsweetened the argument with some sweet potato it. What she thinks that and low and behold, same reaction issues Lee sneaky this time. So it was more just that immediate skin swelling up around him fights at that point wave. I should clarify. That she didn't have too much at that point before she had the reaction. So we stopped giving it to her. But yet beg point we vote. They must be they must be some sort of a ideally reaction here. Putting the two together. This happened in London or was this back home in New Zealand use? This was a London. So I said he was born in London. We moved back to New Zealand when she was about I'm a teen months old. So all best back diagnosed sorry big initial reaction leading through diagnostics of sins plan things was unlimited. And actually, I think that after the seat if my Rick was after the second incident think that my fish would call was to speak to you to say where the got your name because to be honest. It was a little bit of mine hill really are how I got what what will meet to how she should be treated or what sort of food. We should be going Orel. What's gray the allergy with the we should worry about items? It's may may contain traces all milk TRE. It's will was all completely MU. Can't be a minefield is into his many. Getting into dairy free diets and a little bit about the time. If you GP made that diagnose when you I went to see them when we first went when we had the initial reaction when it had when she'd had with formula. It wasn't a diagnosis. That was more of it was it was a confirmed allergic reaction to what was sort of left undefined. The second time we win. I win little armed with the the information. Having spoken to you that to get into the system when I had to get to the JP for referral. I think it was to speak to the side. This is my collection couple of threes. To to get to get a referral to the analogy. Team the house the allergy tame at the hospital. Yep. Try that was the first Jake bay basically gave us that referral. So in terms of they didn't really do much diagnosing. They thumbs. Expects the allergy team when they can do some the T sting. Brilliant Huntington you way to get by testing done. It wasn't too bad. I think it was a couple of months for in that intervening period was a little bit of guy. I'm. Know, I would've been lived completely with no idea had I not spiking with you about what sorts of things to knock out forward. Packaging em what sorts of what Tim ships. They were available to make sure that she was getting a balanced diet. So I'm I would say it was probably about who's probably about three months by the time. We actually got into elegy to connect to the head skin tastes to consent. And you cut it on breath seed into that time didn't use. You didn't go down a special formula NAR yet? I continued brisk fading. And in fact, the whole time I'd been braced fading. I personally had still been ating drinking dairy. Sadie head. No reactions are for very brief period. I cut at dairy. And then there was no discernible difference to be on the side to skip taking dairy. She wasn't having a reaction. And looking back once you think would have hoped you. They need the stunted say expanding range of foods around the one year. Mark what helped you think I found sort of timeframe quite difficult because of so much of this toddler friendly finger foods with all. It was a lot of cheese in things on them. Which is right. Non allergic kids. So probably the probably the most would have done it more help. If I had was more aware of more space ago of Tennessee heads finger will, you know, more adult friendly Dennis. Yeah. I would deal alternative recipes in things available than say, which she went always back at work came down to time. And being able to actually get things ready for him. Yes. And this is this is his name. It does even though is just one thing that you need to avoid it can sneak snake up. A lot of foods is even things nine tomorrow was some can have dairy as an ingredient counselor protein as an ingredient. Yeah. And they I forgot to mention that the other thing that came out when she head her skin prick taste was that she had an ideology, which we hadn't nine at that point because she had make she tried any issue. So. That's the thing that comes out when you're trying to look foods that they don't have those in a free. Yeah. Exactly bacon at helps. Looking through the big options helped you came? Maybe some preparing recipes over the. Yep. Yep. I absolutely did quite a bit of that. But the. For us anyway, clashed with the toddler fussiness. Anyway, with anything that was friend near. That she would look at with disdain the lovingly prepared home prepared chicken nuggets with a hidden apple and things on them that I wrote with delicious. She just looked. Cut put something Draper London. Saving with lots of different foods and ingredients to replace the a as a binder. Yep. Yes. Do you have any tips forward, but actually it? She still falling a free time. Now. Nor not AAC Frei anymore. So we we moved back to New Zealand into seem between fifteen. So in say, he was ten months old Monte mental and way got a referral to they children's hospital here to the allergy clinic care which actually took longer than in the in the but what when we got in. We ended a couple of food challenges of fish while while I end she got through point in reacted. So we that stop. What the that continue to avoid milk. And then shortly after that we had an egg was milk in a Muffin, certainly when she had the free Sheikh let woman which was a scribe. I think actually she's done three challenges. So. Free Sheikh one scrambled egg to manage to complete the Ige that reacts when she's outgrowing that allergy with Ben including gigs and things again by must say one thing that is a little bit has been a little bit difficult is that once sort of gotten the price to solve not having a tad break that habit now not be wide need dip, it just plain old scrambled from which is delicious is quite. I'm new to Histon so little bit. He is to cry from white mysteriously be favorite food straight away. Because it's not something that she's grown up with. Yeah. Exactly which I'm hoping to avoid and does it help. Now that you've got a second that you cannot cook easily with a with a should I say, so you're not having to cook supper means some year. It's amazing. How much less stressful it as the second time around. I will admit that. It was very stressful. The fist time, I gave him milk. Sort of set thinking have quickly will I have to drive to the to the emergency room something something happens here? But he was completely fine with milk his fine with egg and get it is cloud so much Asia that I can just sell. Give the dinner that we're having a bit of a mash, and then he can head some. Lote habit that ice tablist with Sadie of cooking in bulk the baby friendly. In in freezing. At. Mm is hard to bright. Sorry. Other months for might be listening and abound and having to look after a toddler or Obeidi who's meaning on a giants. They batch cook as much as possible. Yeah. You're absolutely. I think boost of all like with a with a thing to sell it better. I think you keeping is to talk to an expert. As soon as you can I reiterate enough, how helpful at discussions have been over the last few years because it's just it's easy to get yourself with up about at Baptist and Bengals just though the wish thing is such a big of mind shift. For your in one of the things also that I find hard to deal with as that other people may -serily understand that as a a loss of misinformation around a lot of people that will use lecture tolerance with cows personality. Who might be well mailing that will get between the advice that N website to be on us. It's a lot of people that don't think like choices freely thing. So when they think that's what you're saying. Your child has consider feel the eye roll sometimes when I'm not lifting. But. Terms of practical advise use. Cooking. I found super helpful. I just got a bit of a very chain where probably once way co once. Yeah. Once awake just after huge low of something that I know that she aids the giddy Clifton too. Blitzed up. So she doesn't even know that. They're there. Into the soul that sort of thing. Finding good snacks and things. Thanks bye. And freight unit in Fraser slight little muffins and things will ballooning watch to look for on packets learning hash rate, the Bank of packets said it's not knowing years. This time might think obviously that you wouldn't think it's daunting. I'm into the fist time looking at it and thinking all how do I tell but mooning how the allergens have be highlights at least count remained. I know the guy that goes seminar thing, but he earned museums. If they have to hit them highlighted in April, April out as well as including the may be present. But getting that advice about the whole. You know, maybe present type thing. Actually, that's really interesting his manufacturers. Now, they have tray nine where they have saying biscuits K other food item that has daily on milk council approaching hasn't ingredient than that needs sometimes manufacturers to protect themselves. Met will stay in the packaging may contain traces of product itself. Johnson contained dairy as ingredients if you really worried you had just over nine out of ten through Ken had any snaps over that's able as make interests of stiffness chatting reduction working in that area is helpful to just clarify for the your child needs to avoid foods at ways stay may contain traces of daily, but you. You didn't need to did you? What did you do? Did you avoid foods? That's warning on the labels, nor wages went straight ahead with anything that might be present into be quiet on us. I have not come across a packet that doesn't say may may be griz, which it would have been exceptionally challenging if we head with that even items that side that market themselves daring, great will vary often still say maybe prison, I understand the raising for it is as you at two before that it's a protection thing severely, severely allergic going. They need to nine. There was an eye on the news here in New Zealand a year or two with the Tinkler product. Sex was my into this the end, I believe the particular company really private south for making sure things work Lucien raid. But for what they raised. They filed someone head ahead of reaction made the news I felt very sorry for the company 'cause I thought then their relation for head gone to quite a lot of links to try and make sure that they could actually change the status of the out of the say that this is what it was. But it's reply should that the food industry. Here was was saying what just you might have tried very hard. But it's just not enough. To to be the people that head select clarity a H enemy in the. But I will the side is that if we out and about, and we would have something for move sake to the at the cafe can Kennedy's cheek physically Deary amid particular someone to the packets. He's just had a looking at sees may contain traces all milk. So we might do that when we say on that side k. Once again, I feel that the viral moment that I think that the business will away thinking happy that alleged key can be frustrating, unsure when he will Joan believe you that which on as allergen inev- even closer to me. Now, people might be distrustful and do you because this is many people following on trendy dance than do on food dairy free use I absolutely thanks are. And I guess bay air pets or say coming from a free speak to that. I'm always been about escaped cloud-based to about fad diets are always avoids everything in moderation legis big think about calories in calories out that this is a different line of thought with them with white loss. But but the just with it might make me a little bit more sensitive to what sort of reactions that. I have. The people are heading, but I we've had certain family members that when we've saved, you know, say bed. It's dairy with is into a bit of a pause on a bit of our own, okay. Or? The diagnosis come from more. What really is dairy allergy? I think I wish you were there to say what she looks like when she's had the exposure. It's not a it's a little bit of man that I've attributed this thing, it's it's a fairly significant. I mean, we've had been visited they know about the DAM allergy typically queried it, but the known saying something what would say like of Chaves, and they move save. Not. She can't have changed all she not allowed. No, of course, not she's allergic to dairy all that this belief from family members as definitely has jamming allergy, and I think it sort of is a little bit to that coming to I made earlier about people not really understanding the difference between allergy and intolerance. A even my mom who is savings grant whose Erie capable. About anything she of goods Sadie, and certainly Belaid us that my problem with that. She had heard her saying to people please make sure that this is a swing by saving. She's very Electric's intolerance than that would be very bad for her to correct. And I think she thinks I'm being a little bit pedantic. I am not worried about her tummy. I'm worried about who swelling up. That's right. That's a really good point too. High nights actors intolerances way, children adults can have small quantities dairy. And it is the shooter the carbohydrate found in dairy that people on Rex into not digesting so routes decant with say cheese, which is naturally low inventors that could have that in quantities any reactions bonds with a case of particularly this case of dairy allergy way is he's quite a profound reaction. And I'm sure it was really scary to see your baby at that young tender age blowing up all red and swollen must've been really frightening for you. So well done for guessing hell. Cley and getting himself into getting professional help. Immediately that's rating poisons, and I'm sure the fact that you have the advising heart to read labels Catholic onto excludes concept project from tired accurately would have all helped to unity frustrations on following a jail free di- that sort of easing up over the years as Sadiq became older. I would say one of the biggest frustrations I have as really specifically a fake thing her diet, but more they unhelpful advice so information that we have around particularly about affected, wages soy swim. Elk soya got as out preferred stereo tentative based on your advice Feist on advice of lords. You know, all the professionals that we've spoken to here and the guy into. Of being I think the most complete tentatives, folks. There are plenty of people that have told me in that I've read online that hell hell bent on the idea that sway is absolutely terrible for you. How we have you get out of end bench. Hutson utility that it has a stream in which is what I say that quote mass because that is a quote thickets often question to me just be really terrible you so I I feel like sometimes with all these things people saying that if I may but ordering Sadie assuage lathi, they can even though I know I'm getting the advice from the appropriately qualified people who tell me that this is this is good. So I shouldn't that this no reason to be concerned about it. It's still frustrating to think that people with that would be wanting to willingly give my child the terrible foods that they sell in the supermarkets. Without any wounding et cetera. I'm a member of few diff'rent mums on bikes, which can be really wonderful places to find support to get him mation teacher said they right, but winning her. I see anyone asking thing about a Deary alledgedly. I just I just have to quickly scroll on by which is terrible because it should be something that with my experience could actually give some helpful advice on. But the once or twice when I have bid to give it by the number of people lay people who I will soon have not had the been foot of expensive vice that were willing to tell me all sorts of nonsense about the debris should soy milk. Just it's just not with it. That is a shame. That soy has had a raid that in a bashing over the years, and you absolutely Ryan this. So is actually the preferred council protein or tentative is much approve five protein is often you find brands Coutts forty five contains the two men's Jamin D, And unless you're babies under the age of six months in which case soy-based performing wouldn't be approved. Is this no reason that you know, for toddler of Asia of the year, eighteen months of you couldn't start cooking with soya milk soy, drink as you might flee need to call it now yoga which are game becomes enforced by because sometimes these tooks yogurts cook Madrid's, the really popular and the taste is. But. It will interest in organic Brian is often than not. With really low in calories in protein taught this age do need a drink that standard unit sufficient calories at protein road, the chances of getting that in a coconut drain is to be slim unless you go for the moment new ranges that are coming up now with much approved file of acids, iden- vegan diet, his maybe twelve and the profile of protein up to a grand one hundred minutes. I think that one is quite similar to the soya grind up drink for X for toddlers. So that has a good good protein. Profiling has added this minerals, plus since it's looking into excellent eighty loss was you're not to share with us. Well, I guess just to you. You probably have got the impression from what I've been saying that it is a little bit of a bag bear mine. The. That minefield of misinformation that there is about soy milk about on Dariel toonces, I've done John David googling much to educate myself 'cause I came to try and speak to expense directly rather than though ticket ago, but basically to save this information comes from that keeps getting actually faked nails rather debate of mothers and these mums forms, and there's just so so many articles about actual Elias, very loosely, we pages blog posts, or whatever about at a negative, impressions of soy milk. And I just want to shake with your lovely experience that I had when I took the children might has the magic the kids to a cafe a new cafe the really good reputation as being really well. Coming of kids because it's got lots of stuff with the kids to play around at tra-. And Fluffy's monarch. So we've into noted coffees and Safi Sadie soy RAFI as paying the breast came over and saves. I'm going to I'm just gonna use almond milk instead of soy milk. We should all. Yes. Archive thanking probably is just might last a someone. Gotta hated apple Ray doesn't want to have to clean out the judge completely. It's not it's not a big problem for Tracy drink. She don't taste much nicer anyway, living of it's fine Sadie forces used to so milked. So she thinks it tastes just find bay at almond Mook fluffy for us said at Dannon seed, use I won't take up soya milk because when you hate up soy milk. It becomes consular. Jan so you really mustn't give your door to that a head to really bite my tongue. Not my husband was I didn't bite my tongue. Very well. Because I did respondents. I don't think that's true. And she was quite insistent. But Emily Sidon Anna, Sydney think that seek advice nor vice for my children just from someone. I've just made a cafe. Still unfortunate business. I'm sure it can be very stressful at times offer long day at work coming home to prepare a meal. Sometimes I'm sure that is to be both a free and dish free at one stage. Fear going out together as a family to enjoy a really nice made in attack against unhelpful comment like that. And she probably was rating while needing I'm sure, but that probably didn't make you feel that good that day NAR end. I think that the main thing that that certainly bothered me was the location, I guess put into one side effect that in no way. Did I did? I believe that the statement that she had made was create. But then I've not had the advice that I have been given over the year and head to that someone out there has been giving child, so milk soy. For a while that would have been devastating someone to be suggesting to you that you giving your child something that could kill them. That's the thing with this. If mum's forums as well that really bothers me that when they're educator will pep says that unclear I guess people that haven't had the benefit of a good advice giving advice to other people that they could interning that making and they do. But by the sounds of it in these forms, make quite significant dietary changes, not by stone qualified advice, but just based on right persons of by really is quite quite a wiry is really really important to differentiate facts and opinions, and we knew that between saying Hof cool to offer children with a council allergy may register majority of can have Sawyer it is the next best thing. And if you're then getting. Very conflicting opinion that your child maybe increased risk of Kansas and adults which isn't actually through any anything having these bond as Cruces in John's your shot sizes actually hoping protects there, you know, the disease risk in the future big is fine, including some of these club as Persians your probably reducing the intake of foods that hind saturated bad animal. Proteins just probably eating much wider range of foods than other children were not needed to be on such a restricted giant. And it's really I think you've opened my eyes in some ways from this conversation that even though it's just, you know, couple of things that you having to avoid dairy free actually modes of planning unit loads of good recipes, obviously. And it sounds like you need lives of could support at patients is long game that you. Playing us try challenging few times. It hasn't always which you'll Haitian they working off the milk onto. Yes. Yes. I was. I was I was hyping. It get on that. We've been has been quite successful. We've had to go down a steep to three time and Sadie must be very polish that she's at the moment just on ice cream. And she's in a couple of little little reactions to ice cream, mostly. She's okay. But we're not enough to move onto the next. So she has to kick having ice cream until we feel like it's been a good few weeks of no reaction agile. She's head in the last month a little money at one like is an enormous swelled up a little bit Abacha team dying cigar. But otherwise, it's been really great to see her build up that tolerance and also been away to find shoulders to thank our K. She's at daycare eight slice of someone's birthday cake that thinking about ended Scott note in she should be fine. We're now to ice frame, and I believe Nate's is chased yoga in the glass of milk to this just three most states. I'm sure that relief because it's faucet as some Schumer nine news. Kids who have to significantly long time today to even toll rate this up to that stage. We've been played that she I believe stiff spy think it was before five who's been shaded. First reaction we had to go back down the lead up. So we thought that to shame choose only halfway out. Maybe this'll check awhile. But with quite surprised by the capital times. She's able to keep go ice cream is a step. I think she's very happy to stay on her away. While you will in some in New Zealand at the moment. This is nice and hot exactly it's perfect ice cream with. All right. We'll finish on that Derry positive notes. Thank you so much for sharing. What that Jenny has been feed rose. It's been such nine four that hoops, more other moms tasks listening in I hope they will take the taking away. Lots of really good tips about natch king raging labels have three but also trying to not breed too much into the comments that you might find on nine or Dr Goodhue keeping in touch with allergy team the nutrition team for the appropriate advice. Thank you so much problem. Thank you for having made. So if you enjoy today's episode I'd love for you to subscribe to the show. So that you can be notified the next time. I release an episode by the now.

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FLASHBACK FRIDAY - Dr. Vivian Chen: On Allergies, Gut Health, and Food as Medicine

Switch4Good

45:59 min | 5 months ago

FLASHBACK FRIDAY - Dr. Vivian Chen: On Allergies, Gut Health, and Food as Medicine

"Welcome you guys to flashback Friday where we replay some of our very favorite episodes in this episode. We have Dr Vivian Chin. Here's the questions. What are we really ingesting when we drink cow's milk what are mother's passing through their bodies to their children when they are drinking cow's milk and breastfeeding their human babies? And do you know what in the world and actual dairy allergy is not to be confused with an intolerance to Jerry? Dr Viv is. I like to call her. She dives into the dangers of dairy and her story of transitioning into a plant based Diet after a battle to diagnose the of her infant's feeding problem. Dr Chan is a double certified physician and has seen a host of improvements in her patients when they cut dairy and address their lifestyle. She's GonNa tell you in this episode this sneaky ways dairy might be affecting you and your children. You do not want to miss this one doctor. Vientiane goes deep. Today's guest is Dr. Vivian Chen she is an MD from the United Kingdom who lives in the San Francisco Bay area with her family. She graduated second in her class from the prestigious university. College London Medical School. Vivian is double certified in the UK in Internal Medicine and Family Medicine. Because of what she learned treating her children's allergies her own mercury-poisoning and her husband's high blood pressure and cholesterol. Vivian now specializes getting her patients healthy food and lifestyle without a prescription pad Dr. Vivian Chen can heal where conventional doctors cannot welcome. Vivian to our Pine Castle. Thank you so much for having me on the show and very warm introduction. Well a very true very impressive second in your class in Medical School Vivian. Many of those folks none of my doctors by the way. But Vivian your physician. But you're when your daughter got sick you found that you couldn't help her and this started you on a huge journey and basically changed the course of your career. Now tell us a little bit about what happened okay. So as you've heard I'm a conventionally trained Md. and when I gave birth to my daughter I was a family decision at the time and as a doctor I so I had it all figured out I a soul anew what I wanted you know how I wanted to sleep train her. I want to defeat and actually turned out that nothing is further from the plan. Had for her so when she was born. I breastfed 'cause I sold that. Was We know that the best thing for babies from about four weeks of age she's daunted to no eight property so she would notch on and then come off the breast star arching her back and look really uncomfortable and stop crying and after a while it kind of really start to set off that panic button. Emmy as a mother you repeal. Mom and will child doesn't eat it. I think it's probably one of the most frustrating or devastating things. Anyone can experience so I took her to see Doctor I don't like to treat my family. You know as a doctor. You're told not to trio families. I took her to the doctors. I saw like patient specialists. I saute advice from from a lot of difference. Ashley's and I was told things go from Ohio. Letdown his to quick Let DOWN HIS WHEN. The milk comes out your breast to quickly. So she didn't like it all the way. You breastfeed Her to reflects so my doctor. My own family physician diagnosed with reflux and colleague because she was crying all the time so even when she wasn't feeding was crying all the time she never slept she during the day she would not for fifteen minutes. Wake up and in the night. She woke up every hour so I was like a sleep deprived. Desperate mom whose baby didn't feed you know when I go out I would see or these mums who so happy with their babies breastfeeding them. And and I'm kind of thinking what you know what is going on. I'm adults. I should know how to help mine daughter right and it was a really really dark time. But you know as a mom. You'll you'll maternal instinct takes over and also the physician that that kind of need to help people takes over and I I think I completely node my emotion. I just WanNa push that to the side and got on with the job at hand just to help anyway. It was really competing time as well because people would tell me different things and you know listening to different people doing ten million different things but she was on an to acid medications and after a week when it didn't work they. The doctor added in another one and she was ramped up to maximum dose. And even that she was still not feeding and still crying law and no sleeping and things got so bad that when she eight weeks old. She had to be hospitalized because she was so dehydrated. So they at that point. They passed a Chook down her throat through a nose into stomach to feed her and she was also given a test. It's cooed P. H. Task where they put a probe into the stomach or into the gullet to see whether acid is actually coming up from her stomach. That's kind of like the the gold standard for diagnosing reflux and showed that she didn't have reflux so we had all these medications and it wasn't doing anything. Was THE WRONG DIAGNOSIS. But anyway that diagnosis was kind of pooh-poohed then got to work to work out. What's going actually going on with her on. I think they were as helpless clueless many because they one of them. Actually she was under the care of so many pediatricians because nobody knew what was going on but one of them said she had behavioral disorder. So what two month old has behavior issues that makes them not feed right? I think that was the final Straw for me to just interfering because you know up until then I didn't WanNa put my doctor hat on and start interfering and feed like the vanquished mom. I was anxious anyway but I didn't want to interfere too much with her. Kara but when they told me that she had the beef haven issue. That was kind of lied. No Way No. No baby has behavior issue. Where they they refuse defeat so I started to do my own research reading and to my absolute shock and surprise. I came across all this material in the medical literature published in medical journals and textbooks on how has symptons actually may be a manifestation of cow's milk protein. I was so shocked. Because you know go through medical training and as you kindly mentioned earlier Alexandra that I actually did very well medical schools. I studied a lot and even then I never loved. That has symptoms could be dairy allergy so dot completely turned my world upside down pose as a doctor as a mom. I STARTED TO LOSE. Trust in in my medical training and started to question is says something that they didn't teach me at medical school. So that's that's when the world of nutrition and lifestyle opened up for me. Can I just jump in here? Your daughter was diagnosed while you figured out that your daughter had cow's milk protein analogy but she wasn't drinking. She was drinking your breast milk. So explain to us how that was happening right. So this is my scientific hypothesis. Too much research studies on that. But I didn't know at a time I know now but I I had leaky guts. Had A lot of digestive issues that's related to the macree poisoning. You mentioned earlier as well. So what was happening with that? I mean we. We know that the dairy protein is very hard for the human body to digest so the casing the way that tree quite hard to digest. It stays in your intestine and if you have leaky gut. Those on digested protein molecules. Actually start to pass from the got into your bloodstream. Which is actually not meant to happen but when it happens it will go. When basically went from my intestine into my bloodstream and then into my breast milk it is rat but it happened with me and actually when I look through the literature. There is a type of dairy allergy or food. Allergy Code at high Food Protein in Jews enter Clijsters Syndrome. Where I think they found up to. Forty percent of children suffering with that condition were exclusively breastfed. So even though is not reported in a medical nature I don't think is it's as uncommon as it may seem so what happened so tell the story she gets better because even is so I then went and spoke to a dietician. Who Specializes in dairy allergy? And another friend's MOM. Who's a pediatrician? Both said yes. I think it could be dairy allergy so we switched her to a Hypo allergenic or formula so the formula that doesn't contain dairy coaching and within two weeks she was holding a bottle so she went from feed refusal to feeding her cell within two weeks. So I'm confused. So if if you realize it's a dairy allergy and you're the one consuming the dairy. Why wouldn't you take out the dairy and keep breastfeeding your daughter right so it took a? I actually did that. I did that and so we were kind of going along at the same time but actually she was she was still so i. As long story shortened it for actually started eliminating dairy eggs and not from my diet while she was going through all of that and then even then she was reacting so we had to go to this woman. That was this. Because she was Chook Fed and the Dietitian said the fastest way to get H- Abacha was to go switch to the formula so I had to basically give up breastfeeding. So was the problem. The fact that you had a leaky gut and the cow's milk protein was getting through to your daughter or was it that your daughter has a dairy allergy and she happened to be exposed earlier than people thought she would be exposed in other words would every child who has a mother with a leaky gut. Get this problem or was it just happened to be. Your daughter is susceptible. Yeah so it's both so it has to be that she's also allergic and had leaky got it was kind of like the perfect storm So so there could be a dairy allergy in a newborn which is common and beginning the dairy through the breast milk. Even if the mother doesn't have leaky gut right because it's just it's in her diet. It's in her. Is I have a question and it just A. I'm so disturbed by in confused by. I was with my sister this past weekend hiking in Colorado. We were talking about this very subject. She can't really get away from me talking about the subject. She's probably really tired of it. And we were talking about what happened to your daughter and she lives in the in. Kentucky in the southeast so not nearly as much access as I feel like we have out here in in the West on situational problems with consuming animal products. So cute she said. Oh dot she goes. I know at least fifteen friends if not more who whose child was allergic to their breast milk and they went to see their physician and the physician pediatrician told them to stop breastfeeding their child. Not Look into what. The mother is eating or ingesting drinking. That is in their breast milk. And so yup which is just blows me away because that milk that that mother of every species right makes for their own young is a specific formulation for that baby to thrive and so these these pediatricians do they just not know that there could be something that the baby is allergic to. Whether it's a cows milk allergy or nut or what what I just I I I literally was tripping down the mountain hearing this almost in tears because what a horrible thing for the mother to sit to know. I now have to stop breastfeeding. And maybe even to you us. An excellent question and I was absolutely heartbroken. I was told to stop breastfeeding but I think given the severity of her situation day suggested it as a quicker route for her to recover but the fact is that it can take up to four weeks for the for the protein to come out of your system so if someone I if the child is severely sick and you have to do something very quickly you you. You have to feed her something right during those four weeks wall. The protein is working. Its way our of the milk but if they having the kind of less. Severe symptoms may be props when she first started have symptoms. I immediately eliminated dairy. I could have been able to help. Opened probably carried on breastfeeding because it takes that long to get rid of the protein from your breast milk. You know I think that's one reason. Is the severity of the symptoms. Bought what I when I went back to work. That's exactly what I did. Like giving breastfeeding was so hard because we. I know that breast milk is protective against allergies. Because it has always immunoglobulins and proteins. That can help. Child Thrive and fight against his easy later on in life so when. I went back to work I helped. Mum's the eliminate dairy and that's actually at the time my colleagues though I was mad because they kinda like why. Why would you eliminate dairy dairy? Your Mom's need dairy the Calcio man you know. It was such a such a battle and that was eight years ago nowadays. I think people are more aware but back then you know. It was really founded upon them. My my my colleagues. Almost I was kind of practicing malpractice saying because I was telling them to cut out dairy from from the Dia but I think that's a really good thing to to raise awareness off. Is that the first thing to do. Should be intimate elimination of these allergenic foods from the MOMS Diet rather than switching. Could the mother. Let's see just because of awareness and education knowledge that we're speaking about right now then. A mother might have a baby. Who's not feeding well crying? Cramping IN THAT. Maybe just only goes on for a week and now they have the nonsurgical hot. Okay could be analogy. Let's test out would would an opportunity for the mother to continue breastfeeding be. They stop continue pumping so that they continue lactating. You know maybe the Until the proteins out in they can successfully breastfeed for the next two years. Yeah that's definitely an option. But I think even with pumping so. That's what happened with me. I carried on pumping but the supply just dropped though option for me but I think if it works and keep the milk supply pumping is definitely an alternate would just kind of throw the mill. You'll pumped milk away right but just keep supply up right. Hopefully go back to breastfeeding. You mentioned allergens so there are other things that also a mother could be coming out through her breast milk. That are giving reactions to children. I know we're focusing on dairy but there are others than you are an expert on allergies. Can you tell us a little bit of the of the top? Four top five allergens. That mothers should look at is very number one dairies number one and soy is number two and actually there's a lot of cross reactivity between soy and milk out. J. So anything in the data between fifty to sixty percent of those who allergic to Jerry might also just soy so we always say intimate soy and Stereo. The same time is number three so these the milk eggs soy and then maybe seafood fish. Sometimes ten does on all kind of the main ones but could still play a role in nuts. That's the famous yeah. It's interesting because I learned about this from hearing you speak at a at a seminar and the thing that struck me is that you are of age you are Asian and your kids are either full or partly Asian so tell us a little bit about Asians and dairy and ethnic groups and dairy because white people actually don't have as a milk allergy nearly as often and maybe this is the this subject obsesses made. This might be why the words not getting out in conventional medicine because most white be. This is not something that is only fifteen percent so of white people who have dairy allergies. But it's so much higher than other ethnic groups. Can you talk to that? So can I just make little corrections or do I think the fifteen percent figure is lactose intolerance saw? So there's a big difference so you might be like does intolerant. But not dairy allergic. So an allergy is where your immune system is activated and trying to fight the food so it seen an enemy in your system and the whole body becomes inflamed trying to get rid of this food whereas intolerance is more localized reaction. So you'll got break down lactose. So that's lactose intolerance dairy allergy very different things. The fifteen percent. I think we're supposed to inculcation. Refers to the lactose intolerance rate and lactose intolerance rate for Asians is shocking. Ninety five percents blows my mind. That dairy is now such a trendy food in Asian countries. So you know when I went back to Taiwan Originally from an I wanted to get coffee and tea with soya milk. Where actually I grew up drinking soy milk. You couldn't you couldn't find dairy very easily back then. You would drink soy milk. It's kind of revised so now when I tried to look for coffee antiques with soya milk. They not willing dairy that most. You know ninety five percent of those people consuming dairy. Aw intolerant which means that they cannot breakdowns. Lectures in God suit. Electric passes through to the CO long. Where basically Ross and then you get these symptoms. I blow teen diarrhea. Cramping it's yeah. It's not just the sugar and dairy to yes to clear that up for people. I just recently saw crazy. Rich Asians very funny movie and the actress in it. Who's Asian was trying to just prove that she really is authentically fully one hundred percent Asian and the way she did that was saying she said. Yep I'm much. Intolerant Theater starts laughing because ninety five percent of them were this movie. What about other? What about other groups? How how So I've read is I think. His Hispanics is fifty percent and African Americans around seventy five cents so it's actually really the occasions who can tolerate it and what's really interesting is. I came across these studies showing that Asians who are born in this country is born in Western countries. Uk USA and Canada. Half a much higher like something up to forty percent higher. Rayo dairy allergy intolerance allergy compared to Asians who born in Asia. So that's really interesting to me. And you know we see data that relating to breast cancer for example so Asians who on live in America have a higher rate of instance of cancer compared to Asians living in Asia. And I I for me. I got suggests everything to do with that right. You have the same jeans. Is the environment that you're living in? That's predisposing use a hacks. His you know the food at the MOMS are eating when they're pregnant when they live in this country. So that you know when that born that already sensitized so so as. I said earlier the food proteins if mom has leaky God is passing through to the child so the Charles Immune system which is immature in the MOMS Wu is still seeing or these food proteins and thinking. I don't like those I don't like I'm just going to be allergic. So maybe that's why Asians own in this country has a higher instance off allergies. So when you giving the stat of ninety. Five percent of Asians are lactose intolerant right. What percentage are allergic is it? Is it a big difference? The data is really hard to interpret. Because maybe we'll go onto that later but there is no gold standard tests for allergies. So I went into that. Let's do it the difference between the types of tests because that's what people are wondering now like they're sitting there going. Oh my gosh. How do I get tested? Do Clear the center and the difference between G G test in. Ge is the perfect time. And you've stated that they are not they're not very accurate turns out to texting and sometimes they won't detect best depends on the kind of biology so just quickly to answer that his previous question. Because I think it's an important statistic. The incidence of allergy has gone up fifty percent in the last ten years or they. They have estimated. But if you re different studies they'll give you different rates of prevalence because it depends on what kind of test use so the day. The data suggests anyway between two point five to five percent of people. But you know that's quite a wide variation as well so so now I'm going to talk about the the tests so we can come to understand a little bit more why it's so difficult to diagnose. I said has a quick question. Oh Go- we have Michael. Who owns the network studio where we are and also our board engineer? He is our local dairy drinker and meter. So Michael. What would what would you like to say? Well I mean is there. Is it an adaptation thing? I mean we're talking about numbers and we're talking about having you know data not you know the data is changing. I is it just because we haven't really had the proper testing and the proper you know sort of follow through in identifying with people in their diets that the number Seeing a you know a change in a number but is it really a change in a number or is it more that we're just having been good at assessing people affectively. That's an excellent point and I do. That is definitely at the back of my mind when we look at things like the exploding rates of Instance Balaji because is it just that we're better at diagnosing. Because ten years ago nobody could diagnose my door. I wear now if I took it to a doctor with US symptoms. They probably have a better chance of her. Being diagnosed in a timely fashion. So I think definitely were recognizing it and more more doctors trained in kind of knowing that there are these delayed symptoms apology. So yeah I think that's a very good point in this discrepancy between Caucasians and other people you know is it because of classical conditioning is it because of the fact that our bodies are super intelligent more so than we even imagined at times and they are able to adapt and become conditioned to what you're feeding it because I mean at some level it may announce early on that. Hey why are you putting this in my body but you know over time it starts to accept it in become more conditioned to know dealing with something like milk as normal dietary supplement? Yes exactly so. I think that's the reason why Caucasians have a lower incidence of lactose intolerance. Because they're you know many many thousands of years ago. They're the ones who started to drink dairy. And you know if you had symptoms or you had dairy allergy. You've already die. Echinacea's days and so your genes wouldn't be pasta on so they're the ones who are going to be. I WANNA say mutated bowl to be able to drink daria the the ones who can tolerate this or maybe that those genes kind of empty evolved with time whereas in Asia. We never drank dairy. So it's it's something completely foreign to to Asian gene one. I've got one last thing to hear. I've heard a lot with people who Have introduced the Paleo Diet to me and other diets they all come out at you know and I'm forty two years old now and I've been drinking a gallon of milk a day for the majority of my life It feels like you know. I think that's why I've never broken a bone because my calcium is super high but nonetheless. Let's talk to Vivian. Dr Chan about that but I I'm curious about is there an age to which your body just simply doesn't accept milk anymore. People were telling me by the time you reach forty. Your Body says not milk and I'm forty two to cow's milk in my body does not I don't have the diarrhea or the other effects that I hear Typically people my age have and I just think it's because I consume so much of it in just different. Maybe different Michael I would say on. The human body never debts to something. That's inflammatory may be a you know maybe over generations. If you're you know you're not passing your chains. You may be able to adapt. But here's the thing does so much hidden symptoms that people don't associate with an allergy or intolerance right so in view. Imagine that what I was talking about earlier. The immune system is activated you. You can literally have symptoms from your head to toe. That's dairy allergy that you're not associated with dairy because you're consuming. Every day in the effects are delayed. An insidious onset. So you're not seeing it. It's not like someone drinks milk and they have this. Iga The reaction. Where they you know the throat clues Auburn. They stop breathing. But if your immune system is activated and you're in inflamed stages of your body then you're more prone to other. Chronic indies conditions like diabetes heart disease cancer so night sweating and things of that. Nature could be a component of allergies to milk as an example. Did you say sorry? Did you say night sweating or just sweating general night sweating sweating at night under sleeping? Yeah so so that could be. I'm just guessing here because I don't know your history but hormonal issues vary commencer that how much coal mine there is in. Jerry's is really scary. People don't know that even when you buy organic mill it's still full. Hormones GOES WHAT IS MILK. Milk is a bruce fluid that the produces to make a baby calm for very rapidly so it has to have hormones to make the cows a cops grow nuts how it grows so you are literally drinking tons and tons of hormones which then stopped interfere with your body's innate hormone system and then so we see things like acne ingenious. We see weight loss. Resistance Insulin Resistance in adult so you know people who can't lose weight. Why is that. Because they're ingesting these homelands that's interfering with own audience The body doesn't know what to do anymore. Research is the so many symptoms that I'm pretty sure if I spoke to anybody. I'm the party pooper right so I go to politics. Inevitably they come to me with symptoms. I'll I have this. I have that and I just asked them on you. Are you drinking dairying a people rejoin problems? They get better when they stop drinking dairy. Because there's no inflammation the body so if there is inflammation there's GonNa be something that's impacted. And that's you know depending what your gene genetic makeup is what you'll predisposition predisposition is. It could be up migraine. It could be skin. It could be Joints it could be a number of things like sinus issues. They're all you know if you trace back. I'm worried about route cool. So what is at the heart of causing of those orders conditions? It's what are you putting into your body Rhode if we if we go back to the origin I mean. We're we're using a lot of terms that we've created and made up in our society so that we can get a little further away from the connection and what we're really talking about. So dairy is one of those words. I mean you know whoever thought of that. Dairy is cow's milk. Lactose intolerance is cows. Milk Intolerance in. So I think it's I personally think it's important to to to change our verbiage around this because we keep people disconnected from what it really is. It's the fluid from the mammary. Glands of a mother cow made specifically for her baby. Cow Grow three pounds or more every single day. And we're using dairy. Some people are as a diet food which is really quite hilarious. Because it's the exact of that. It's made to make a baby cal. Turn into a two thousand pound cow and we get two thirds of the hormones in our food via animal foods and so when you have guys especially being concerned that if they have a sip of soy milk they might get man boobs. We really have to peel back the layers and go. You're drinking straight up full blown away from the mother cow so as a FIDO. Estrogen nother conversation but the amount of estrogen that men are taking in when they're drinking that much milk is well. How much is it I? She's not she's pregnant. She's also pregnant for a lot of it. You know because then they only give her two months a year of not being pregnant so most of the time she's actually she has all those pregnancy hormones going on the milk so he is another epidemic that People on POPs talking about because it's may be a bit tabooed which is facility issue so semen quality is going down Men have low testosterone nowadays compared to ten years ago. And you know they're not linking that to the food eating knows that the food contains eastern like dot C. said earlier it's not just fighters Jim which is weak. That consuming full blown east agenda has a direct effect on all receptors in our body. Now also for people who who say will. I'm I'm I'm not allergic to dairy. But they might have had some of the symptoms you talked about like Nukus or acne and they might be have some gut issues Canadians by lactose free milk. No because most of the time is the protein in the milk. So that's why I had to correct you earlier. Alexandra sorry about that but auto corrected by Dr who was second class. So hey it's the protein that usually illicit the immune reaction so it will be casing way. There's actually twenty different. I think twenty plus different proteins in dairy that can trigger reactions in our bodies so lactose male just doesn't have Doesn't have the sugars broken down. It doesn't mean that there's no proteins are the proteins that can elicit immune reactions are still there so is it kind of a Bologna kind of marketing thing to have lactose free milk and hope that you don't ask same thing just just not the way to make make money by the daring distri right breakdown. The lactose while. I mean the Asians who are lactose intolerant. They can buy that milk and not have the blow team diarrhea. But their bodies police still reacting to the casing and they're still ingesting homelands so do you I wanted to ask. You gave a whole list of things that can happen to people. When they ingest dairy is there are there different between symptoms between babies kids and adults. And can you talk a little bit about that right so? This is from my own observation as a clinician so thinking in children. The more kind of common presentation of allergy is acute types of food allergies. Everybody thinks oh EPI pen and you know people you know with the lips blown up there going blue. They can't breathe guts an acute allergic reaction. And that's more common in children but as you get older and especially in with society what we're eating. I'll got his damage. So if you are starting to develop leaky gut than slowly you start to not tolerate foods that you used to be able to tolerate as children so we are now. Also seeing allergies developing in adults bought. They don't tend to tend to be a candy but they don't tend to be the acute type reaction so now they'll be delayed types of says when my nose talking about with his friends saying they can't they can't handle it anymore. Forty right exactly so so. It's NEOM those proteins from food that normally your body wouldn't see but if the gut is broken down than those proteins getting into the bloodstream. Intriguing all reactions. Then they can start have showing symptoms and also how that continuum of symptoms right as how much your body can take. You know when you're younger. There's probably more of a a Gif in your body that you can abuse it. It more than you know lay trong as the toxins and homes get messed up and toxins build up. Your body is not able to tolerate as much as what you used to feed it so we earlier. We talked about the different types of tests for allergies and intolerance and basically at worst. They're inaccurate and invest their confusing for people. And so I've learned that a two or three week is delimination diet of whatever you think the Allergen in in this in this case dairy Is really going to be your best indicator. Is that true in what you suggest for people who are who are listening going. Oh my gosh have so many of those symptoms a one figure this out but worried but to go get a test because if it's not accurate so the Elimination Diet. What what should they do okay? So elimination diet you the several different types. It depends on what food usually go. Jerry okay say if we just doing dairy it's it's super easy. I mean what's what everyone concerned about. Especially with adults with dareez calcium right. We heard Michael earlier about calcium in dairy. The fact is that you don't need to drink dairy to get calcium right. You can get calcium from so many other food sources and puzzles. Calcium is superior. Anyway more bioavailable Over dairy source so And more doboy the depends. I think it depends on how knowledgeable on nutrition. So you know I. I tend to go and meet people where they are at so rather than kind of overwhelming them with knowledge. Right right now. You need to go an eat three cups of Collard Greens. Who EVERY DAY? I might just say to them. Hey just removed dairy. And you're worried about calcium take a supplement for the next three weeks. We're just doing a test. We're just turned to see whether you feel bad at the of the three weeks. And if you do then let's move on and give you a implementations that you can do so that you don't have to stop them if you don't want to so cutting out dairy so you're looking at cheese GO TO RE START READING. Nabil's because I'm saying products for example from trader Joe's that says soy cheese and then on the back as casing which is which then you'll still going to react to so you're doing a elimination diet properly. I was I normally take people through how to read labels and then obviously to replace this. There's so many pump based options for pump mill and Yoga. That you can buy a switch is fairly easy. It's the hidden dairy in processed foods that get people. That's such a brilliant point and it's just amazing to me. How many places they stuff it into. There's a fair amount. I mean about fifty to sixty percent of just the crackers on the cracker aisle. They've stuffed dairy like. Why would you terry in my crackers? Thinking wires dairy well right yes. I want you to keep buying eat the crackdown. You get this high or the case a morphine with casings. Monopolized in your body is an is a based Chemical stimulates addiction there that reward systems. Are you gonNA associate reward with that particular brand of cracker? You're going to go buy some more. This is really just such a backhanded way of Industry. Trying to make money okay. So that's a huge. Can't just skim over. Can you just quickly were not just express an explain what happens when when the case goes in how it is then converted to case a morphine case of morphine is an opiate very specifically made by nature that way so that babies latched to their numbers. Yes and they bond rights part of the bonding process but when we're eating the case seen in human milk I'm sure produces. The fact is the exact right amount for that baby to develop that kind of reaction without the the ill effects. So for example where I seen studies linking case a morph into for example crypt death because what an opioid does is that it can suppress your respiratory function can suppress how much you'll breathing basically so cases morphine from a cow's milk. I just or from breast best from his house melt sorry. Yep and casing is linked to increased mucus production in RESP- Richard Tracks. It has so many effects in the body. We have to wrap their some forever but we have to come back on us that I wanted to know up there in San Francisco. What restaurant is your favorite restaurant at which to eat? Or if you don't have that maybe what what's your favorite dairy cows. Milk Dairy alternative okay. So my favorite dairy tentative is made almond milk and I also like hemp milk. Hemp milk is really easy to make just soak it and then blended vitamix and you'll make oatmeal. You just literally pulled out. You don't even need filter. It just pulled the whole thing in your oatmeal and hemp himse has the complete amino acid profile and also has amiga three so. It's really great sir. Can it has more protein per ounce than meet does just by the way nine two seven so exactly protein is is a great source of protein. Amiga three for my family now in terms of restaurant in the bay area. Were not as fortunate as you guys. Down there with the the choices. I'm hoping that will change. And you know out the we'll see more pop up over time but I really laugh a restaurant Millennium in Oakland they retain dishes usually different dishes. When of I go that but They are often Khamees. So that's one of my favorite restaurants wonderful Yummy so win in Oakland. That's where we're going and that's where we're going next year when we go to our international conference in Oakland with that all right. We have one last question for you. What does switch for good mean to you personally? Switch for good for me. Initially meant healthy bodies Healthier Family. S I switched. I realized that switch for good also means switching thought planet bed environment more compassionate lives. It's really funny. I science based right so I want everything scientific and to do with health so I did. I switched for health reasons for might kids but the more I've caught animal products out. And you know for me as a Buddhist. We believe that when animals are killed over the suffering they release chemicals they actually scientifically proven the really site two kinds to the body which is highly inflammatory. And I think that when we eat products like that I'll compassion is not is kind of inhibited. In a way I did not know how dairy is formed. Embarrassed to admit I'm I did not know how dare is bombed until I became Vegan after became Megan. I was so shocked and but for some reason that you I'm just able to feel so much more compassion now without an products in my body so switch for good means I'm switching for the good of everything switching for the good of your health for the planet for your mental. Who's held everything? Excellent point and thank you for saying that and one of the biggest points of this. Podcast is encouraging self empowerment. So don't just believe us. Don't just believe Dr Vivian. Although I think you should believe Dr Vivian but go out there and understand research. 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Power Project EP. 184 - Frank Tufano

Mark Bell's Power Project

1:44:34 hr | 1 year ago

Power Project EP. 184 - Frank Tufano

"The. Whenever you already. I'm ready ready, Freddie. Let's do this ready with the spaghetti. What's happening? I gotta I gotta work out already in today. I saw that that you you popped in pretty early today came in here and a little bit of cardio session and hit up some dead lifts and some bantam rose and some late curls. Just moving around, you know, trying to good we're got again, I might I might work out again. Because like, you know, my workouts are a little shorter. So actually they're lot shorter. Like might only be like twenty thirty minutes long. So when they're shorter it's kinda easier just to get him in because you're not thinking about your workout being so hard. And I think that's a huge problem that a lot of people make when they're thinking about a diet thinking about exercise. They're thinking about man, this is going to be, you know, have to go Kito or have to do carnivore. I have to be gin or they think that they have to do something so crazy, and it's like, we'll were you starting. Let's let's figure that out. If you're starting from the couch, then a wa- simple walkout side would be fantastic progress and to do that for a few days in a row that would be a really excellent place to start doesn't always have to be so hard, right? Just change the simple things, I know a lot of people that when they first start lifting. They start like programs like two and a half workouts or two hour, long workout. So I'm just like, hey, no, you're not going to stick to that. They work at like six or seven days a week just start slow. Well, we know a lot of people to that that exercise frequently and that don't have nearly the body that they want or the strength that they want and these same people will, you know, on a Friday Saturday night, they might go and let loose and then they're like, oh that's it back on Monday. When Monday comes around cardio in the morning fasted. And then I'm gonna hit the gym at night. And it's like dude you really like you're setting up a really rough schedule for yourself. That's okay. That you enjoyed yourself. That's fine. Everyone should everyone's got the right to good for you. And just, you know, don't let just like Jay Cutler said don't be fancy consistent grad away to be consistent with it. If you if you're able to do fasting. That's great. If we're able to throw in some cardio that's cool able to mix some lifting some cardio fasting. That's great. But it doesn't have to start out that way you have to start out with a big bang right away. You can kind of chip away at things you can work your way into things. That's kinda why excited talk to today's guests because it's like how do you end up down this rabbit hole? Like this. You know, how do you? We got another carnivore guy on the podcast today. And not only carnivore, but he's like eating raw meat, right? He's a he's a deep savage. Yeah. He's eating raw meat raw liver you ever done that for. No. What about sushi sushi? Yeah. I guess it's that have carpaccio sliced beef just pretty much. I think the same things we're all a restaurant in Lisa's carpaccio. That was the first time I had that. But yo- like my household. We cook our army. We all cook are meat. So yeah, this is a Steph different culture shock, and the only thing I've ever had just polka. Yeah. But no now that I think about it is kinda odd that like, you know, I'm cool with eating like fish, right? Raw fish. But the idea of eating absolute raw meat like raw is kind of odd. Right. Yeah. Just kind of those two together. I'm like never thought of weird too. 'cause like Ross steak doesn't sound that bad, but raw ground beef sounds hor horrifying discussing or or raw chicken can even watch Neidl Keith wrought chicken. I think he does like straight raw red meat. I mean, can you just like, you know, grab a bird and try to just eat it or like those and go go by the cow. Substrate up eat frequent tat tackle him. True. Carnivore? Have you had like raw liver and stuff like that? Like two straight up. Have you done that? I don't think I have there's there's a video of him like he has large raw liver. Just to eats the whole thing. Just like. I would like to eat something's hard just to say that. I did. That'd be pretty savage. Yeah. That's like a Mike Tyson saying, I wanna eat his heart. I want to eat his children. Did eat somebody's ear. Well, yeah, it's a it's interesting. I guess we'll get to the bottom of it. We'll try to figure out why the hell this guy's doing. All this. Yeah. Looks like he's good to go. So you wanna hit them up? Yeah. Let's do that, you know. It'd be easier just to be born Nigerian. It would definitely true. And you just have perfect skin, your, handsome and tall and strong. All that stuff right laugh and everybody else. Hey there. He is. How's it going Frank? What's going on or you gentleman? This guy's got perfect teeth. Perfect skin is this from eating raw meat. What are we going on here? Little bit of a little bit of Columbia. I'll leave it at that. What's what's going on with this diet? It looks looks pretty crazy to see you eating raw liver and stuff. How did you? How did you even get into something like this? I imagine you weren't doing this. When you were five years old right now. It's it's it's actually a pretty interesting story. I used to be really big into bodybuilding, fitness that whole thing. And I did it from when I was about thirteen to maybe twenty. And at some point, I said this isn't for me. I never really wanted to take it to professional level. Never had a large bone structure. I was always like five eight like one hundred fifty one hundred sixty pounds. Even when I was muscular figured it. Just wasn't for me. And after taking a drug called Accutane, which I didn't actually know it the time that kind of ruined my digestive system. I was eating three four five pounds of sweet potatoes a day and had no energies. I was like, okay. This isn't working for me. How can I figure out what? I should be doing. I literally started googling what the healthiest is came across a few different YouTube channels and ended up discovering a book on indigenous civilizations, it was called nutrition and physical degeneration and this dentist went around early nineteen hundreds and he noticed one thing that was consistent across every single diet of these native people that was the presence of certain animal foods, and particularly particularly ones that were along the lines of organ meats, and even though we're talking about organ meats, and things that people don't deem as approachable other nutrients that are more approachable like some of these groups of people had shellfish crab molluscs, clams. They had dairy products. They had eggs. It's not just, you know, biting piece of raw liver out of alive animal, and I said, okay. This makes sense and upon further inspecting these animal products they had an inherent fats. I. Vitamin content, and I can get into the actual availability of that stuff in a bit. But the other thing I was thinking was okay, I don't have energy eating carbohydrates. And if animal foods are the most nutritious foods, according to what I've read here than wouldn't it make sense to eat animal fat as my source of energy and putting it together in my head made sense because okay, well, animal foods have the highest amount of nutrients in their most available forms and animal fat can be used as an energy source and Kito service. And then I read another book called primal body prime and at the time which was about over six years ago. Now, I kind of paralleled Kito diet with a paleo diet and said, okay, I'm gonna do paleo Kito. But that pretty much means that I'm only eating meat and fat. So my theory behind not including vegetables and fruits that the modern forms of the fruits and vegetables in a lot of cases, and especially at certain times of the year. Weren't necessarily as high in nutrition as they used to be and at the time, I didn't actually know about the carnivore diet, and there was actually a form zero car, but the time that's what the diet was referred to. And I came across it and upon reading what that dia was just muscle meat, and no real guidelines to nutrients, no real guidelines to macro nutrient ratios, I didn't really think much of it. So you know, three or four years go by and I decided to make a YouTube channel. Because one of my goals was to convey, the importance of these nutrients to other people and how good I felt an even though I took that drug Accutane twice. I mean ruined my liver ruined my body. I'm sure there are so many people familiar with the drug and how bad it is. Even though I took that drug twice it still didn't fix my acne. The only thing that actually ends up fixing. My acne was going on this diet and roofing lot of foods and increasing the nutrients, but there's a lot of the three. Main things I used to explain aspects of my diet are one logical standpoint to the anthropological evidence of our ancestors and three the scientific one of you actually, looking at the nutrient content of foods and the mechanisms in the body, and we can observe that through nutrient databases or even mechanistic studies your eating large amounts of potatoes back in the day sound like you said you're eating like three or four pounds of potatoes. Every single day nowadays new any carbohydrates. No. Back. So over my six and a half years now on this diet. The only time I ever consumed carbohydrates was back in less. You're April two thousand eighteen I started experimenting completely raw most of the time. I consume maybe sixty seventy percent of my food is cooked nocco. Sorry, sixty seventy percent raw. And then the rest is cooked. And when I mean cooked, even though I'm just cooking eggs blue rare a lot of the time. But that one time I did try carbohydrates was on the raw primal diet. I had a little bit of raw Honey, and I tried incorporating some dairy products again, and that I mean, I've always had a dairy allergy when I was younger so that didn't really work out. So well as much as milk products from a local farm, raw high-quality grass-fed. Although there's definitely some things you have to be aware of if doing that the difference between like those dairy products directly from the farm and the dairy products that you buy on the shelf in the supermarket. That's definitely a discuss. To be had. So my reasoning for incorporating anything into your diet is either nutrient density or energy and the role that carbohydrates grains, play in my mind is when we look at certain indigenous groups in the recent few thousand years when agriculture started, and we started producing readily available forms of carbohydrates, they replaced wild plant foods as an energy source and every single one of these carbohydrate sources can be addressed on an individual basis in regards to its composition is preparation methods. What the pros and cons are obviously something like modern wheat, which is made from hard red winter wheat, it has forty eight chromosomes. It's hybridize it's much more inflammatory than an heirloom variety of wheat like corn wheat has twelve chromosomes. It's something our ancestors would have consumed. So not only do you have to look at the base food. You have to look also at the preparation of it, are you naturally fermented that sour dough bread and breaking down the anti nutrient content, or are you just? Throwing that bread in the oven as is with a yeast starter overnight. And then there's a course a bunch of different grains, have different preparations from oats to rice bunch of grains of cross all indigenous groups, but one thing I did want to touch on as a final in. This regard is the sheer variety of foods. These people consumed and the variety of preparation is absolutely absurd. Imagine this you go fishing in a river. And there's ten different types of fish in that river, and for each of those ten different types of fish. There's ten different species. So you might have six seven different types of trout in one river. So just the amount of animal foods that our ancestors. Consumed was incredible hundreds to thousands, let alone wild plant foods imagine walking into essentially a jungle and seeing just the sheer variety of foods used to eat that being said there are indigenous. Is that only eight like some of them? Maybe they only had Swiss cheese. Red cells definitely something important to note. But what's even crazier is one indigenous group might have prepared one food in one way, and another group would do it in a different way and the amount of different ways. They would do it. You know, imagine, you could take a fish. You can eat it raw. You can call it smoke it. You can hot smoke. It. You can foil it like under a an oven. You could bake it in fire, you could roasted over an open fire. There's dozens of different food preparations that these people practice because it was their job. Their job was viral in nature and their job was to prepare food, and you can imagine if you have limited food access in your environment. You're probably going to start doing some interesting things to either change the composition or to preserve it. And each of these things serve different purposes. One of the few people I've ever heard talk about switching up the type of meat that eat was Charles policemen. I don't know if you're aware of his work. But he he mentioned that he thought it was. Portent that you you don't just always eat cow. Don't always eating elk you, switch things up a bunch. And do you think that's important to to have a wide variety? You're not just eating cow meat all the time. I think a good answer to that question is. Yes, there was a sheer variety of meats in in. The indigenous groups bought the one consistent thing was the quality. So when you have access to different sources of meat, it helps to variety them because tha very them as you don't necessarily know the quality of the animal unless you raise it yourself. So if you buy Grespin meat from one place and Gretchen meat from another place. I have pictures on my Instagram of this grasp at beef that it looks orange. But I'm sure you've never seen something like that in a supermarket. So the quality of the food definitely ties in here. And when you're only eating one type of meat from one source. That's where you start to question. Okay. Is this the highest quality source of meat on eating the only scenario where I would say, it's okay to eat one source of food is if you're literally seeing what that animals eating in its in its life, essentially, of course, there's a realism that we have to have that's practical to life that we can't always beating the highest quality foods at all peers of. Time, but that doesn't necessarily justify going to like a restaurant having wings and soybean oil every night when I'm when I'm hearing what you're saying about like food, you eat it seems that whenever you're looking at these meets and you're looking at your food as far as you Tilleke. Yeah. And you're looking like a big micronutrient standpoint. So what's going give me the move new nutrients and yet, so I'm curious because whenever I see people go from like, pure carnivore or pure vegan. Right. And they just cut out also informs of food and a lot of individuals that do carnivore a lot of people feel much better than when they were eating all these carbohydrates. But then I see a lot of vegans that claimed that they're feeling much better eating. No meat. How how would you like let's say bring somebody to the other side. Would you even think that they should if they're feeling much better doing something totally opposite to the carnivore deal? Okay. So the carnivore diet achieves one thing inherently that's the removal of inflammatory foods. Okay. The vegan diet can do the same thing. So the reason I market myself to the carnivore died is because my diet is technically a carnivore diet. But what my diet achieves is the micronutrient density, and before really going into a discussion of the vegan versus a carnivore diet and actually like analyzing, okay? Vitamin a in its plant and animal form of vitamin k two and its plant and animal form what we can look at is. What happens to vegans after they go to three or four five six months on vegan diet. So b twelve deficiency is obviously something that you can't ignore every vegan needs to supplement be twelve. And for me the lodge. Perspective behind twelve doesn't make sense because you're literally falling a diet that you cannot follow when they didn't have the supplements even forty fifty years ago. That's one logical thing wrong with it. And I haven't done an incredible amount of research on this yet. But I'm not sure if b twelve blood levels are indicative of tissue levels as definitely something out be concerned about what b twelve is definitely associated with neuro cognitive problems in the long run. And the second thing is the iron. I haven't seen any proof that vegans would not be anemic in the long run. It's not an issue in some people and a one thing that shows that before this was people have different genes that regulate how will they assimilate vitamins from plants. That's why some people last a very long time on a vegan diet and some people fall apart in two months one other vitamin that's not really spoken about is vitamin d three. And I think vitamin d three is the best argument against the vegan diet because the skin itself synthesizes cholesterol to absorb vitamin d three. So. So if you don't have extra cholesterol in your body, you literally can't achieve certain levels of vitamin d three. So I would make an argument that from an ideal health perspective, it's physically impossible to get your three levels to that amount on a vegan diet. So those are just problems with a vegan diet in general. I mean, the, but another thing to consider is standard American diet is so poor that when people refer to stand American dieters as meters the macro nutrient ratios in a standard, American diet are thirty percent, animal foods and seventy percent plant foods. So these meters are they really meters. And what's even more? Interesting is vegans always talk about Blue's zones. These owns where people have unusually high life expectancy, but guess what the macaroni ratio of blue zones. Are it is the exact same as standard American diets when we actually look at what these blue zone people eat, they might eat seventy percent of their calories from grains, and thirty percents more or less and thirty percent from animal foods, but the food. Quality is the difference. They're not eating McDonalds. Burger they're not eating McDonald's, burgers, and what was my favorite show when I was a kid was the cookie crisp like that type of stock. So they're not eating that type of stuff. These people are drinking sheep milk straight from the goat in their backyard. These people are eating the highest quality cheese, the highest quality, grains. They're preparing them in certain ways, and there's definite pitfalls in the context of a standard American diet that we have to kind of brush aside, the problem with the vegan diet is we're missing those main nutrients, but there isn't and I always tell people this, you know, what? Whether it's five ten twenty thirty issue. Now, these vitamins there's gonna be a big emphasis on them because they are really the most important things in Uman function. And I'm sure you guys have heard about the importance of item indeed three in the recent past and how doctors are even subscribing vitamin d three in larger amounts. And there was a study that I post on my Twitter like every week the vitamin d three RDA was based on. Typical fallacy the four hundred. I you RDA was actually supposed to be nine thousand. I you. So there's definitely something to be said about the importance of these vitamins going under the rug. But the reason I'm saying this is because I can't even convince carnivore dieters to eat these nutrient dense foods, how am I supposed to convince a vegan to do it. It's very very difficult to turn people off what I like to do is. I like to present information and let people make the decision for themselves. And the of course, there's a lot of things that go into that. An unusual man of things that go into that. But if someone really wants to make a turning point what I always tell people is if you do something, and it doesn't work. You you may you might wanna think about doing it in general. That's when I take vitamin d three when you go out in the sun to the beach, you feel euphoric, right? You feel amazing after going to the beach when I eat foods like liver and salmon Roe when I eat certain high-vitamin animal foods, I feel like running through some drywall go I can go I can go. I've I work is used to work as a bartender. I still do and some times I would go like two or three nights without sleeping, and then I have to go down to Manhattan work ten or twelve hour shift, and I'd still be running circles around everyone else. So there's definitely something to be said about optimizing your energy levels. And how you feel on your diet is a vegan diet better than standard American diet. I think so in the con-, but it depends on what you're eating. And it depends on how you are to be twelve deficiencies and deficiencies I think in the short run it's better than what most people are doing and in regards, actually, I mean, I don't really want to discuss how to supplement an ideal vegan diet because there are literally. Certain things you cannot get and that's that's a bit off topic. But it's definitely something. I can go into seems like everyone needs to have some sort of nutritional plan, you know. And it seems like the biggest factor in all this is, you know, avoiding junk food, which is all the same stuff. We hear all the time. So potentially if you're on a vegan diet, you may be voiding some junk food, but there's ways of doing a vegan diet where you're not avoiding junk food. There's also Kito Akito diet where you could potentially be avoiding junk junk food, but there's also you could be doing a Kito diet and having some kind of dirty Kito foods in their things that have sugar alcohols in them and whatnot. But whatever the case is whether you're doing carnivore vegan Kito paleo, it's probably still a better decision than a standard American diet. It's still probably we're still probably eliminating some excess junk maybe some excess sugar excess processed foods. And we're probably ultimately limiting some calories. Do you think calories factor into any this at all when you start to really look at the different the different diets and things like that. Interesting to one interesting thing to look at in the context of calories is how your body assimilates nutrition from plant food versus animal foods, what people notice when they go on a Kito died or carnivore diet versus Egan by the volume of food that you need to consume versus the amount of food. You expel is is drastically different. So the caloric intake when increasing your plan food consumption. It can definitely go down. And I mean, there are arguments going either way there are people that go on Kito, diet and gain weight. There are people that go on a carnivore died in gain weight. There are people that go on a vegan diet and gain weight. One thing to note on the vegan diet is the high anti nutrient content of these foods because of things like five Tate's, which inhibit mineral absorption oscillates also inhibit mineral absorption, things like electons can cause leaky gut. What this essentially does is causes your body. Not to absorb the nutrients in the food. Your body loses its ability to digest the food. So there is a concern about certain anti. It's in certain grains, and legumes specifically on a vegan diet. I mean, this can be alleviated to some degree by fermentation. Of course, it can be made easier by choosing foods with less anti nutrients. I mean, like carbohydrate sources like sweet potatoes and plantains and maybe for mental oatmeal would be better choices than kidney beans. That's an example of that. Caloric restriction ties into fasting as well. I I think the overall reason that people consume excess calories and don't lose weight is the lack of nutrients in their diet, and that's affecting their hunger signals, but restricting calories and is definitely a way to become healthier. Even if you're eating doesn't really matter. What you eat is definitely an improvement and one way to go about this is whenever you put something in your body. It's always a net loss doesn't matter. How healthy the food. Is it doesn't matter. How good the food is for you. You're always doing something negative to your body. Because either way you're putting stress on your digestive system. You're putting stress on yourself to eat something. So whether you put something in your body or not it just a matter of arguing how negative it is liver. The act of writing the act of eating itself causes inflammation, period. Yes. That's I mean, that's a very loose statement. And it's it's it's it can be using a negative connotation in weird way. Because. Actually, we need to eat food. But this is where we assess the inflammatory response to the food whether it's just based on its inherent profile of nutrients anti nutrients, whether you have an allergy to it as well as the caloric density of the food. That's you know, we look at the food is it going to give you issues was the nutrient density, two things really just inflammation nutrients so looking at a food like liver or salmon Roe if you try to eat fish eggs, you wouldn't get past a quarter pound of them. That's because of the nutrient density of the food, and that's a lower caloric restriction. So you. You know, you can make arguments that if people were eating a nutrient dense diet and had proper station in proper appetite that they wouldn't be over consuming calories, and they wouldn't be stressing their digestive system in an artificial amount. This also ties into lean body mass and bodybuilding because when you have a higher lean body mass, your body requires more nutritional more sustenance. So your body will crave protein macronutrients more than that or micronutrient. So when I used to lift weights or like, you guys even if you guys Villier micronutrient requirements, you guys are gonna want way more protein than the average person just from that your body. Your muscles are literally telling you I need protein. I want to eat protein. That's not the same case with most people, but fasting is a whole like that's a big topic in itself with the Towfighi and the main benefits of Towfighi is people claim that and it's not a claim. This is what it does your body, essentially recycles. It sells and heals itself in Towfighi. But my argument behind a nutrient dense diet is that. At the processes that regulate. How sales are made gene expression and cell differentiation are directly correlated to the cell health in your body. So vitamin a and vitamin d three in particular are the precursors, gene expression. Gene expression turns on and off certain genes. This literally tells your body what sells it needs to make whether it's a stem cell or red blood cell or white blood cell. I don't want to know. I'm not a biochemist physiologist, I don't wanna go into this too much, but one anecdote I like to make is when I had terrible terrible cystic acne take weeks acne to heal. And then when I had this terrible like nickel-sized blemish on my face that blemish would take. Three four five six months ago way. I did a video on my YouTube of I had a cyst it exploded. And I all this is a little girls. I'm sorry guys. So anyway, the point is I heal my skin and literally three days I went from a cyst on my face to pretty much clear skin. And the way I did. This was I fasted I consumed a large amount of retinal from liver, vitamin A. And then I went in the sun for five six hours a day. So what happened was the first day kinda got inflamed? And then it popped the second day started healing third day formed into a scab and the third day the second day turned into a scab. And then the third day. It was pretty much completely healed in the blemish was almost gone. So our body essentially is like a plant, and you know, when people are growing or growing, something they don't blame the plants genetics on it, not growing, they blame the soil. They blame the nutrient was given they say it didn't get enough water. We kind of need to look at the same thing for. Humans. Genetics are determined by environment over a period of years and years and years. That was a bit of a ramble from the question of, you know. Do calories matter. But I think I touched on it on a few different ways. I think a lot of people would be curious especially looking into you. Don't eat any vegetables or anything like that. Right. Okay. Yeah. Cool. A lot of people would wonder 'cause I I saw video where you you mentioned how fiber isn't necessarily that important. How how like how would you explain that to individuals in terms of do you get fiber from outside sources, or is is now into you all now so in in regards to fibers association with any sort of health benefits, such as reducing cholesterol was your social with reducing cholesterol, more consistent bowel movements, reducing rates abou- gander. That's not actually demonstrated in studies. But to me five or does play a role in the health of the gut microbiome and building a diverse microbiome. And that ties into you know, the thousands of and hundreds of wild plant foods that indigenous people used to consume. Yeah. So having a certain gut back to your gut bacteria is essentially specific to your while in in the case of let's say like a mother has a baby and starts nursing her child. The mother is eating certain foods in her diet that are in a way introduce. To the child through the breast milk the environment than when the child grows up the child would eat the foods that are in the mothers environment, and this is kind of what determines our microbiome? So the role that fiber plays in the microbiome inherently being in those foods that they needed to eat survive. I think survival is a big over arching thing here. A lot of the foods. We used to eat were really because we didn't want to die from from caloric standpoint. But fi- five or from a mechanistic standpoint in the body. The only thing that's hypothetically beneficial is feeding some sort of positive gut bacteria. Then in an actual cases where people have digestive issues, especially things like diverticulitis as well as IBS reducing fiber actually improves their health. What about performance we're talking about like lifting weights, or at let's what are some of your thoughts on utilizing a carnivore diet for these things and also make some sense for somebody to add in some carbohydrates at some point. Or do you think people don't really need them? So I've had con- conversation with an exercise physiologist about this. And he claimed that carbohydrates are not beneficial in any way, whatsoever that Amine. In fact, I it would be better. But I am not necessarily that is not my method of thinking my method of thinking is your body needs to produce enzymes to digest food. Whether it's Pep's in for protein lie pays for fat, the starch digesting enzyme does. Well at your body can only digest a certain amount of each macro nutrient Eddie point in time. And when you're a high performance athlete, and you're consuming an unnatural amount of food in regards to what maybe your body frame of your genetics allow you to do, you know, obviously, someone like Thor those strongman guys is what I think of when I think of this. I'm thinking, okay. These guys have very very highly body mass that require an incredibly unrealistic amount of food. Now, what answer what would answer your question is? Can we actually figure out whether the body can absorb only fat? And protein faster than it can absorb the combination of fat protein and carbohydrates. Is there a bottleneck on the peps in production? The body is there bottleneck on these pro- as spoke protein, adjusting enzymes, amylase, carbohydrate, digesting enzymes is the body bottleneck in producing these enzymes as well as insulin or can the body actually produced just as much of these enzymes as it needs in the context of animal foods based diet. I think this is gonna be Anik going to be anecdotal. If you're not a super, high performance athlete. I really don't think this will make a difference once you achieve a certain amount of activity in muscle mass. Then you might notice if you consume carbohydrates, and you're on a carnivore diet, and you notice a performance increase. I think you're at that threshold where your digestive enzymes cannot keep up with just the protein and fat diet. That. Yeah. That that actually makes a lot of sense. And I think you know, bodybuilding purposes, I think some people talk about like getting a pump. And a lot of bodybuilding coaches will say that's critical, you know, in in your training, and then from powerlifting perspective or strongman perspective. It's my belief that it's just important have body weight on you. So this may be against what most people are looking for most people are a lot of people are looking to get smaller or lose lose bodies. Yeah. Lose weight, but for a power lifter, or for strongman athlete or even some MA athletes. It might be important for them to stay in a particular weight class. So therefore, they might need some of the carbohydrates, and like you said, I think is pretty accurate account of what you said, basically, the carbohydrates could be a fast acting energy source could help them potentially recover from workout some people are doing to workouts day. So how you gonna get the fat and protein to really kind of like shuttle into your system. Maybe it does make sense to have. Some fruit or some coconut water or something in between workouts? Whatever whatever carbohydrate source you choose. We'll probably be appropriate enough to kind of replenish, some of those stores and get you into that next workout get you kind of repaired from the previous workout. There's so many factors here. Because when you think about what your body needs to recover and perform, you know, you don't only need protein to repair the muscle tissue. You don't only fat for energy. There's also nutrients there's the electrolytes there's a lot of factors that go into this. And as I've been on one hand, I really do want to know what would happen if someone like, you know, Brian Shaw or have to Bjornson when on like, a high neutral carnivore diet. I mean a hundred percent they're losing a lot of weight. The question is how much strenght would they lose? And what the adjustment period would be. Unfortunately, I don't think that's something that. Out think it'd be possible to do that in the context of these people because it would just be to jet detrimental to their essentially professional career. But I love to see some more research being done on this in the future because you know, the the metabolism of protein and fat in energy is definitely something. That's not understood by a lot of people. Yeah. We're seeing it more and more with kind of endurance athletes, people that run people that do rowing and things like that. And we're getting really good accounts of of what these people are doing and the response that they're having it seems like it's a good one. But yeah, we don't know what it looks like, you know, from an NBA basketball player NFL football player, or, you know, high level strongman athlete. Yeah. Yeah. I've been consulting with a collegiate basketball player, and what we do for him is we increase the nutrient density, but we still keep some carbohydrates in the diet. So we essentially have a very high nutrient carnivore dia, but then he has things like sweet potatoes. High quality, grains, maybe some more dairy products. Maybe Honey occasionally just things for the carbohydrate metabolism in the body. What are some of your thoughts on this insieme from having a bodybuilding background and being someone that does jitsu and you lift I mean, you have a pretty pretty busy schedule, you know, with the amount of physical activity that you have have you explored any this? Have you tried just to only eat the like almost Kito and and just only eat meat. Yeah. No, I have like for for the past two weeks, or so, you know, started messing with much much lower carbohydrates. I haven't cut my carbs out. But having probably a minimum of fifty or sixty day, which is much lower than I usually have in the past of my background each and intake, and unlike like, Frank like, I mainly paid attention to my macro nature and intakes make sure that I've been like I have intake for enough food to fuel my workouts because a lot of days, I'll come here. Then I'll go to jitsu afterwards. An oddly enough I found like having much lower carbohydrates but much higher fats didn't really affect my energy levels that much. I did feel a little bit affect in the gym. But at least in terms of my cardio on the mats. It didn't affect me that much. But what I what I really I'm curious about is something I never paid much attention to in the past has been my quality of meats of heard about you guys talk about this and lot grass-fed versus you know, grain fed meets I never made attention to that. And I'm just wondering how how important that is in terms of like potential performance or quality of meat because personally like again, I just make sure that I'm eating enough food. Right. Macaroni genetic. I do take a few supplements here and there to make sure I get my three and natural, bro. I gotta take no subs. But like like my d three it's cetera. But I haven't paid attention to like meeting. Sure. My meat is grass-fed. I know Frank that you you've talked a lot about like oh grain fed meets her not good at all. How does that tie in does that tie into performance or any of that? Yeah. I'm smiling year because this is like this topic in general is what my main focus is. So one thing to look at is if you look at those indigenous groups and what they ate and you analyze the foods by amount and the micronutrient amounts. We can assume that those amounts of foods that they're eating and those micronutrient amounts or what the recommended dietary allowances should actually be and things like, you know, the human body can produce one hundred thousand you of vitamin d three in the sun, the higher retinal content of these foods. So we can assume that humans have a higher nutrient requirement than what we've been told. Now when we actually analyze the nutrient content of the food. There's one thing that determines the neutering. Content of the food. Specifically what the animal was raised on. The example and cows is and cows have very in ruminant digestion is very interesting. You know, a human would actually have to have five gallons of fluid in their stomach fermenting to be the equivalent, but an ingress when a cow goes in the field. It has an incredible sense of smell, it might think clover tastes like ice cream. It might think we grasp is a burger and the cow will actually go in the field and choose the grasses, and the whatever that they like the most and this is because the nutrient content of those grasses varies and vitamin A is actually mislabeled on food in plant foods. It's beta carotene, they can label it as vitamin for some reason the carotenes in this grass convert in the cows body into retinal in its tissue. So cows eating the platform, vitamin A and converting into the animal form of vitamin A. Same with vitamin k there's vitamin k one in grass and the cow converts vitamin. K two in its body. And this is through fermentation, the gut bacteria eats, the grass for man's turns into nutrients in the body. So if the cows being fed a crude soy's feed of like corn, whatever guy cooked corn cooked soy things like that. It's not going to have micronutrients. And this is the problem. Also with a lot of vegetables in modern diets. Monash inc. Soil as in. There's micro new. Toil that aren't necessary for the growth of the plant or the animal, and there's macro nutri. There's macro nutrients in the soil that are not necessary for the growth of the plant or the animal, and then there's micro nutrients, so I'm sorry, I'm confusing. These completely. Unique macronutrients for energy. This is what you need to grow a plant micronutrients can be deficient in plants and animals, and they will still grow. So these micronutrients for soil are N P K. Let me just wants potassium nitrogen. And I was the other one it's just general fertilizer. So it's nitrogen phosphorus and potassium. So you need nitrogen phosphorus and potassium to grow a plant. So essentially, if you grow corn with nitrogen, potassium and phosphorus, and then you feed that corn to a cow. It's not getting those micro nutrients in it, the same thing can be said about humans in general and how we are raised on low micronutrient foods. So basically, how the food was raised determines the nutrient content. So if the cow wasn't eating grass and might not have a high nutrient content and in the context of granted versus grass-fed. Yeah. I mean on paper grass-fed is going to have vitamins that great at isn't going to have the fatty acid profile is going to be better. But you have to consider the muscle isn't really where the nutrients are stored the nutrients in the animal are stored in the fat. That's why they're called fat soluble vitamins, they're not called proteins vitamins the muscle tissue stores. Minerals and elements, and if there's fat intertwined between the muscle tissue. There is nutrients in those fat in that fat. But if you take a grain fed steak with a ton of fat on it, and a lean grass fed steak the nutrient contents going to be insignificant because there's no fat on grass-fed steak. This is where in you know, when you're eating muscle meat, primarily you're not really looking at a nutrient dense source compared to the fat. And when you look at what our ancestors ate RA by and ground beef didn't exist because animals don't actually store fat in those parts. That's because of how we've bred cattle other factors fat in the animal is stored on the belly on the brisket on the short rib around the kidneys, those fatty parts of the animal around the organ tissues. That's where we would have had to obtain fat and calories in nature. So the whole grain fed versus grass-fed debate. In the context of eating a steak isn't nearly as relevant as it is in the over. Diet and the primary fats, I will vitamins that were concerned about getting. It's not really I mean, you know, we have vitamin a in the form of retinol probably the most under appreciated vitamin the most important vitamin that's going to be discovered. I think really in regards to people understanding that you need to get in large amounts of vitamin d three. Of course, we don't have to touch on that anymore by K two as a big one of K two ties into vitamin d three in calcium metabolism saw in order to absorb calcium in your body. You need vitamin d three. But in order to move calcium around tissue, you need vitamin k two things called matrix glob protein, M GP moves it binds to calcium ions in the body and moves them around and vitamin k two. Vitamin k two is the secret of a lot of these indigenous groups and some animal foods because vitamin k two is only present in high quality animal foods, and what we mean what we mean by this is if an animal is not grass-fed or race properly, the vitamin k to content will be lower. But what's more important about gay to is its presence in fermented foods? So although foods like egg yolks and liver have some vitamin k two when you for Matt to food. It increases the vitamin k do content, and the one thing that I can't get passed in my mind is that there's a really good book the indigenous foods of the south Sudan, the fat of the land all of these indigenous people, whether it's the eskimos or the Africans. They purposely rotted their meat, and I mean, in modern society, we eat things like cheese and ham and yogurt. We eat a lot of rotten foods all the time. And we don't really think twice about it. But these people would literally take fish leave them out in the sun for seven days and. The need it. And you might say, okay. That's the anthropological evidence. What's the logical evidence? Okay. Maybe a hundred years ago. We wouldn't have had refrigeration was the scientific evidence. The protein breaks down it becomes more digestible. Well, there's there's three enzymes in meat fat. Hydrolysed enzymes, prolific enzymes and the Gleich lick enzymes the fat hydrolysed enzymes for meant the fat. The pro Olympic enzymes from the protein and the Gleich lick enzymes when the animal dies, the lactic acid the glucose in the meat turns into lactic acid. That's why sometimes people think liver has carbs in it, but that's not actually true because the Gleich lick enzyme breaks down the glucose in the liver into lactic acid when the animal ties, so these enzymes for meant meet in a way that's more favorable to the microbiome. So not only are you breaking down the protein. You're getting the fat, and you're turning certain nutrients into vitamin k to essentially, so. There's definitely a role in Ignace groups of these vitamins, and there's definitely an importance of these vitamins in overall health. But this is something that is, you know, we know as president in their diets, it makes sense on paper value perspective that you can't really obtain these vitamins in any way from plan foods, and anecdotally speaking, you know, when these foods and a lot of my clients when they eat these foods, they notice a difference when you sit down and you eat certain foods, you notice immediately. How you feel? So definitely I mean, you know, some people like saying, I speak out my ass on people like saying, but I try to give I try to give as much information as physically possible if I can explain it in any way whatsoever. I do it. And I'm also open minded to the contrary. But again, it's it's one of those topics where people if people haven't heard about it, and they come across all this information about it from someone, and this is not something that like, I read a book and. I started this is you know, when I'm on the street. This is literally what I'm thinking about you know, when I'm driving in my car somewhere. This is what I think about I have ideas and things I read on every single day. This is an accumulation of like seven six seven years of doing this. And that all that information is accumulated into essentially a five minute blurb on why vitamins are important. So that's why I like to say as I said earlier present the information let people do the research on their own. But there's definitely a lot. A lot of lot of if I could talk for two hours just on vitamin a you know, there's so much to touch on. It's just absolutely insane. When you are talking about these different for mental foods, how do you personally have permitted food? You mentioned that you have trouble with dairy. I think, you know, rented food, you know, one way to get it is through like, you know, yogurt or Keefer or, but what are some other options? People can look into. So obvious. I mean, if you guys have realized I'm crazy yet. I have they call it. It's called Hymie. And this is what the indigenous groups used to call because it makes you high when you eat it and me can actually be inadvertently rotten. So if you bought like, I e Corre or salmon Roe in a store, you know, if it was salt it unfermented, and ate it would give you that similar feeling obviously cheat. So the two easiest access foods for K to our egg yolks and cheese. Egg yolks have vitamin k two in the form of MK four. That's the form that's president animal foods when they're not permitted. And then it turns into 'em k seven when it's for mental MK seven k two is the fermented form. And there's evidence that you kind of need seven as well. So cheese has high amounts of MK seven cheese is really kind of the best source of food that most people have access to unless you wanna start eating duck. Sliver goose liver. And that's because migratory birds have a very interesting function their metabolism where they store fat in their liver for the winter. So in these ducks fatten up there, also storing vitamin k two in their liver. That's why EMU oil is a very popular supplement product. The oil is has a high K to content it has benefits to it. But cheeses interesting because I guess we could talk about quality of dairy here. So the difference between the dairy on the supermarket shelf and a raw dairy product is. First of all, there's no inherent nutrient content to the dairy product if the animal wasn't on pastor. So we can kind of cross a little off when the dairy homogenized. Much larger fat particle, then she milk goat milk. So when you strength down this protein particle, it can get through the gut lining and be more inflammatory to people that have cosmic allergies. And you're also pasteurizing the milk, although that can kill bacteria that the farmer might, you know, bacteria and milk and concerns about bacteria are generally from poor cross contamination practices like they didn't clean the milking machines things like that. So although pasteurization does that reduces the nutrient content, and when you pasteurize food you while you're cooking it and a raw food for Mets naturally, a cooked food oxidises and rots and forms harmful bacteria. So if you have a raw piece of meat on the counter for a couple of hours, that's fine. But if you cook that piece of meat, and you lay it out. That's how people get sick so cheese in specific aces. It's made with the rennet of the animal and baby. Calves have run it in their stomach that curdle the milk into cheese. Essentially, it's pretty interesting. I would mean not to be cruel. But if you cut open baby cow, there would essentially be cheese in their stomach and the way that she's made you take this ideally, raw high-quality grasp and milk product. You add the rennet to it it forms cheese. And then you age it and that aging process ED's K two, and if people want to get a good source of two in their local supermarket. There's usually plenty of raw imported cheeses. A parmigiano reggiano is a DO p its designation protection, which means they can only make the milk from certain cows and certain areas, and it has to be made a certain way, and that parmigiano reggiano DOP guarantees essentially that it is a raw cow's milk cheese that it is a very high quality source of nutrition. So that's a very easily accessible what generally any raw imported cheeses are what people should look for in the supermarket. But since I am allergic to cheese. What I do is. I I will take any really animal meat animal fat, and I'll put it in a jar. And I'll pretty much. Let it for Mets. And guys. I really I am not crazy. Like a lot of this came across in a weird way. So one time I bought some beef that from a farm, and it smelled like parmesan cheese. And I was like and then like, I I didn't eat it. I just left it there. And then I smelled like rotten a dead body in my kitchen, the they later, and I was like what is is that the fat? So I go open the fat out. And it's like a comedy, you know, it's cheeses funky. It's rotten. It really is. So I tasted this beef fat. And I swear to God, it was it tasted exactly like promise on obviously the texture was different. But I was like that's really interest you from if you ferment fat even from an animal any animal developed similar flavors of the cheese and a good example of this is people that dry age stake almost all stay dry Asia. But you go to a state. Yes, you have a dry age stake. It's essentially rotten piece of meat. I mean, obviously, the fermentation processes way different. But. But that's definitely an interesting element of my diet that I haven't really Inc for most of my carnivore dietary history, just the importance of it is something focusing on now, mainly because of the food access thing, you know, for me to have rotten jars of meat and do that is completely crazy compared to to go into a store and buy cheese. That's for sure and vitamin k can you mentioning basically how it can help? I guess metabolize calcium or hope kind of move along calcium, but it can be really beneficial to your heart is that right? Yeah. Very important in blood health. But when I saw so immigrants the actual metabolism vitamin k in blood health. I know it reduces blood clotting. That's for sure I think I'm gonna look up the metabolism of that real quick. But one thing I do like to touch on immigra- arts to blood health is specifically omega three fatty acids. So there's a really interesting book called eskimo diet, and the one analogy I like to start this conversation with is if you cut an eskimos arm. It would take them eight to nine minutes for their blood to clot an American would take three to four minutes. That's and you might think, oh, that's a bad thing. They're going to know that's a testament to how smooth their blood flows. So what omega three fatty acid consumption does to the blood is. It changes the structure of the blood cells and makes the more pliable they can squeeze through arteries, better blood cells are actually much larger than a lot of the tiny arteries, not arteries about the tiny veins and vessels. They go through and they need to squeeze in flexible omega three improves the flexibility of this, it reduces the five bridge in in your blood. Which is it makes your blood flow quicker and. It's really just an overall ability to bind to calcium the not omega three k two's ability is really that binding to calcium and taking out the blood is reducing a lot of inflammatory stress. I radically the video I did yesterday was on calcium and showing how calcium deposits in kidneys. And the heart are really result of not getting enough vitamin k two and one overarching thing that I say a lot is the calcium RDA and idea that calcium build strong bones is one of the biggest mistakes of our generation calcium RJ being high is actually a consequence of not getting enough of these vitamins and our diet. I have not consumed any calcium in six and a half years and my blood levels of calcium right dead in the middle. It's like nine point four on a scale of eight point two ten point six. It's so interesting when once you start to eliminate a lot of foods from your diet. It's really crazy how the work starts really kind of men together. And and almost like fix it self you don't really lift anymore nowadays, you basically just run right? And what's the kind of reason behind that? Like, you know, we we love lifting, and we we we also understand like, you know, the way that we like to lift we might be beating ourselves up a little bit. And maybe it's not gonna help us necessarily live to a hundred do it for long Jimmy purposes, or why did you kinda switch things up? Yeah. I mean, there's definitely a lot. I've been having this conversation myself with the past few days, actually, because you know, I have a I obviously marketing myself from a health nutrition perspective is also a fitness aspect. And if I don't work out, I don't lift weights. I'm kind of missing some sort of clientele away. So on one hand I wanted to lift weights again for that purpose on the other hand, you know, I mean, I work as a bartender. I do my YouTube channel I have another. The job that I work on the side. Getting I can get in the gym for an hour to a day. That's not too much of an issue, but the extra eating I'm gonna lose lose three four hours of sleep a day. That's my personal reason. I've always had really bad stretch marks on my arms. And I know that sounds silly. But that that's never gonna go away. So that's not actually a good reason. Because regardless of muscle. I always have the best stretch marks. I think what my small bone frame right now. I'm I'm like five nine hundred forty pounds for me. I have very small. I'm sure you guys familiar with the term small joints. I'm sure you could explain a better than other people. I have really small joint. So when I have sixteen seventeen in arms that's not like on on you guys. Like, you're probably like eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one inches. You guys are gigantic. If I when I have sixteen seventeen inch arms, I look really really big at least for my bone frame. And I actually did a physique competition back in two thousand five. Fifteen. I mean on my own I looked okay. But if you put me next those guys you'd be like, what does that guy doing on the state, so the bone frame, even if I did if I lifted weights, and I kept lifting weights my peak muscle tone for my frame is only going to be one hundred eighty one hundred ninety pounds max max, so with my small bone frame and how I looked like a like it's way too. Muscular part of that ties into. Fitting into my suits. That was honestly like a reason like I don't fit like I could retail all my sous. What then what if I don't wanna lift weights? Again, a lot of maintenance things regarding the actual physical reasons about why lifting weights might be detrimental. The only concern is to me you need to consume excess calories to put on muscle. And as we said earlier anything you eat is inherently inflammatory, that's one element to it. But there's so many benefits of lifting weights. It's hard to say that it's bad because when you go into Jim the people that are in shape or not on the treadmill. The people that are in shape or lifting the weights, and one fact that was really shocking to me. I I always knew muscle burned a lot of calories, but one pound of muscle burns fifty calories day. So if someone put. One or one and a half two year time span for natural. Was is going to increase a thousand fifteen hundred calories depending on the amount of muscle. They put on and that will literally help them lose all the way they need to lose. So there's another element to this is we are much less muscular, then a hundred gatherer, you know, these people would have been much more must go than we are now so getting into the gym and doing this weightlifting is a way to make up presenting Terry activity. If you stay, you know, if you're if I'm a bartender, and I'm moving around all day shaking up drinks doing this doing that. And I used to work as a personal trainer to. But the point is if you're active on your feet all day doing things building muscle inherently through endurance activity. You're going to have a decent lean body mass. What if you're sitting at a desk all day the only way for you to make up for that seven eight hour day of sedentary activity is for you to go in the gym and kill yourself for an hour. So I don't think there's any detriment to wait way training. Obviously if you're in the realm of you want to try to. Lift your house in like rip up some ply boards. That's a different conversation. Like I used to do that stuff. I mean, I I was never really that strong. I only maybe I benchpress like low three hundred and lifted like be in the low four hundreds after training for a couple of years. I was never in my brother's a bit more into the the powerlifting stuff himself. I think he Dallas in the five hundred. I don't know what his his numbers are part of your part of some triplets. Is that right? Oh, you know. This is this is so funny. I always forget to bring this up. But I being a triplet is a pretty unique thing. So we're all twenty-seven my brothers out. He he's an engineer works in aerospace. My sister, unfortunately is mentally disabled. So I do work with her and part of the reason that I do this whole nutrition thing is because I have a belief that, you know, nutritional deficiencies can cause things like that not to say that not to say that that was the reason my sister was I mean, the reason I mean that whole story about how my mother had kids, you know, they botched the C-section she ended up having to get like double kidney transplant that's a whole different story. So my sister isn't necessarily the reason, and my belief nutrient density is the reason but seeing modern medicine how we're living. Now how unhappy people are just even on the street. All of this stuff has been a driving factor in my message to just get people healthier in general. My thought is if someone's healthy if someone's energetic. That's part of the problem. You know, if we make sure everyone has a certain quality of life, you know, in regards to improving the world in itself. It's so much different. You know, I remember when I went one what did I do one day? I went into it just felt like everyone around me was on edge with size myself. Like, I went into a butcher shop. And I was like I'll just hold my house came in what's going on. Do you guys have? And he was like the guy was like freaking out, you know. And then I went then like, I'm driving my car, and these people act like lunatics, just the behavior that people per tray in general to me is so absolutely crazy. And I listen, I drive Manhattan. There's something wrong with say your New York. Yeah. No. There is something wrong with me. But there's like. A different level of anxiety. That people have that I haven't noticed in myself or healthy and reasonable people a good way to coined. This is a lot of people are emotionally driven. And that's part of the reason they also don't really care about their help too much. And if you can't if you can't fix yourself how you supposed to fix other things. I mean, of course, you know. I mean, they're nine was a nine percent of those people on this planet. Don't eat a healthy diet, and they're doing amazing things. But I just feel like out of context a lot of times when I when I go places and just seeing how how people act how unhealthy people are how unhappy people are. And that's hopefully, and I'm doing it. Well, so far improving people's lives in that regard. Have you ever seen Ghostbusters to? Listen, I I would I'm I haven't I've seen Ghostbusters when I haven't seen goes. So the second Ghostbusters takes place in New York City and underneath the city is all this pink slime, and as people are getting more on edge. And as people are getting more pissed off this pink slime is is rising up. And it's and it's mounting. And I think I think that the paying slime represents carbohydrate sugar and processed foods, and I really honestly feel that like this is bringing people to fucking boiling point. And I couldn't agree with you more on like the sanity of people like I walked through the airport, and I a lot of time just just in general this mile at people like every once in a while I have resting bitch face. But for the most part, I try to try to be I try to be pretty happy because I feel like if you if you smile, it kind of makes you feel happy on the inside and brings her brings your mood up and why not? Knowledge the person that's walking across from you. Or whatever what kinda give people a head nod or smile little bit people. Look at you like they just wanna punch right in the fuck and face. What's this guy's problem? Maybe needs get on the carnivore died. I don't know the I went to the UPS store earlier. And I saw this. I mean. Like this like maybe middle aged Asian lady walking out of the ups store. I walk into the ups store. I go out I go to the post office, and I see her the polls ovals like, oh, hey, what's going on? We both had the same idea. And she was like she was just she was looking at me with a death stare. And I was like, and then I went through. I was like, oh, no you would just ups. She was just a, hey, it wasn't even that just in a hazing future. She didn't even notice me. Right. I was there. And I noticed most people are in this Hayes of confusion, and is it the sugar carbohydrates the refined foods, of course. But I'd be curious to see if you increased if you if these people had a base amount of nutrients in their diet, that's probably part of it too. That's that's my main contribution. Before the show, we were actually talking about Romeo and eating raw meats, and you know, like, my family wouldn't f- with that like like straight up, you know, just like you cannot convince African family to eat like. But Andrew mentioned something funny that I never really thought about sushi, you know, and I. Yeah. You know, I eat raw fish. So what is this like adversity? It's like eating a raw a straight up Ross steak. Right. So yeah, this is a whole another big topic in itself, this is so for the indigenous example all indigenous groups eight cooked Ross, they ate all types of meat every indigenous group every single way raw, you know, every way logically speaking. On Anna scientific on a scientific basis. What happens when you cook meat is you're essentially you reduce the micronutrient content to some degree, the if you cook a steak well done which most people don't do. So the nutrient degradation isn't this aveer? If you cook a steak well done broil in the oven for an hour. You lose about fifty percent of the vitamins and twenty thirty percent of the other fats Ivo vitamins. Now, of course, if you cook a steak, rare that's not as big of an issue. But what you're doing by cooking the state because you're concentrating the calories. So you're sacrificing micronutrients, and you're increasing caloric density. This is very important for survival. Because. You know, when I tried the raw primal diet. I started craving meat. I started not meet I started craving cooked meat. I started craving salt. There's a caloric need and consuming only raw meat products. Like bottlenecks that caloric need in the diet. So when and if you're consuming, a carnivore diet, there's no indigenous group that was really they're very few that were completely carnivore. And even those that if an indigenous group had unlimited access to animal foods, they would still only eat eighty percent of their calories or so from animal food. So this means that okay? If you only need to eat, maybe thirty to forty percent of your calories from animal foods to get enough nutrition in the diet. It doesn't really matter. If you cook your meat and reduce the neutering, and by a certain amount because you're still getting the nutrients in, you know, does that make sense? So if you eat if you need to get a certain amount of nutrients and cooking, the food reduces the nutrients by half, why not just double the amount. That's what you can essentially do. So what you're doing is. You're getting more calories, but you're getting less micronutrients. I mean, there are some nutrients that you do like if you really cook a piece of meat long, vitamin c content loss and me does have vitamin c for anyone that doesn't know that. There's a couple of nutritional databases that do indicate that. And certain usually the water cycle vitamins are more prone to oxidation of vitamin d three is a bit more prone to oxidation heat as well. Now, the bacteria thing and the parasite thing is certainly certainly big one to talk about so salmonella and E coli salmonella occurs. Only in chicken, that's im- pretty important to note. Chickens, carry salmonella, I'm assuming it's because even though a lot of animals are kept in horrendous conditions, chickens or captain even worse conditions in E coli is present in. I mean, I'm sure more people get e-coli from Romain lettuce than they do from eating meat and there's a lot of recalls around, but this is all cross contamination. People don't realize that a lot of these very low paid workers literally have to use the bathroom in the fields. And sometimes that gets in people's vegetables. People don't realize what's going into you know, where the meat's go. What's going into that ground meat? I you know, I've never listened. I've been eating me. For six and a half seven years on this diet, and I've never been sick. Once from raw meat that being said, I've never eaten ground me from the supermarket raw. That is definitely a good way to get coli and another thing to touch on is the strains of these bacteria. So if aggressive animal has e-coli, the strain is different when you feed a cow grain you increase the acidity of their room in one of their stomachs. This makes the coli bacteria more resistant to acid normally e-coli that occurs aggress but animal is going to be killed in your digestive. Tract it won't be as harmful, but that acid resistant strain of e-coli that will wreak havoc on your digestive system. It's interesting how feeding these animals different foods affects their meat quality to since ruminants have different Justice system than chickens the omega three two mega six grain fed beef is far more favorable than the omega three to omega six in grand chicken. But things like chicken and pork are supposed to have essentially the same omega ratios as. Things like grass fed beef and wild caught fish. It's just to have those animals on that quality of passer is really cost prohibitive at this point. So the bacterial concerns have a lot to do with cross contamination and how we're raising our animals, you know, if you go out, and you hunted deer and you kill that deer. Granted it didn't have some sort of infection. All that meat is going to be free of any modern bacterial issues. So I if I need to touch more back to your I can, but the parasites or what scare people and on one of my raw meat eating days of video people are like, oh parasite has entered YouTube or something like they're making jokes that I'm going to get parasites, and as someone who's works in restaurants whose benefit Carter who's who's been cuts meat. I know what animals parasites in so parasites in ruminant animals. I mean has anyone if listen you guys listening right now, if you if you've seen a parasite interstate, please let me know because I've seen hundreds and hundreds and. Thousands of pounds of Eton. I have not I don't even wanna bring this up because it's not really a concern. But an animal can be infested with liver flukes, and these are I think it's like snails and marshlands carry these and then the couch the grass, and then they get liver flutes in their liver. But if a cow has liver flukes, it's not going to get past the butcher. They're gonna see the livers infected Lanham lls sick. It's not going to get the meat is not going to get past. I'm sure you could Google pigs have cancer, and you could see meet with cancer in it. And you could see stuff like that stuff. Does not get past the butcher, thankfully, the big concern. The only thing I have seen worms and parasites in is fish. And it's funny because people do eat sushi, but people will I'm sure I wonder how many people have oh, you're gonna get sick from eating raw steak, and then they go to have sushi the next day, and they don't realize that sushi is actually a lot easier to get sick from and. Yeah, I mean, if you freeze meet at a certain temperature, it will kill the parasite, but parasites in fish are very very normal especi-. In larger ocean fish, if I filleted openness, salmon, and I didn't find around warm in the belly or a nematode in the belly. I would be surprised the nematodes that occur the roundworms that occur. They're non segmented roundworms that occur in salmon aren't harmful to you means because they can't really borrow through the intestine they can cause stomach upset if they get through. But this is like if you get sold a piece of meat, and there's a worm in it, and it get it gets passed the butcher it gets passed your inspection. It's kind of your fault for not really looking at the meat carefully. Or and if you're not looking at me carefully and slicing it, then then you probably want to cook it a little bit to some degree, and the worms that are actually an issue. There are some segmented tapeworms, but those occur in freshwater fish. But salmon, do go upstream and rivers. So they can have tapeworms, but these tapeworms are much much much larger. So this ties into the Bush thing it's not going to get past the butcher, you know, when they cut open the salmon there's going to be so it's gonna. To be so infested that it's not the meat is not consumable. I mean, if you really want to get gross out anymore. You can watch parasite videos on YouTube, but a really good resource for this is the CDC center for disease control, you can type in any parasite any animal any disease, you're concerned about it will give you statistics on how frequently people get sick. It will give you the ticks on parasite occurrence on bacterial infection rates. What foods they come from? And you'll find that it's mostly plants. I didn't forget about trick noses as well as preowned diseases. So trick Enosis I think that's from feeding a lot of times from feeding animals garbage. But the main concern for trick noses is a wild game meat. So unless you're eating bear meat or wild boar meat. You shouldn't really worry about trick. Noses a pork used asterik Enosis because how how poorly we treat our animals. So if you're going to consume pork, unless you're raising the animal yourself, and you got animal tests for trick Enosis when you started it. I wouldn't start doing any report. But there are a lot of countries that. Consume raw pork and they raise animals specifically to consume raw. I mean same thing with chicken people eat, plenty of raw chicken about preowned diseases are really interesting because preowneds are mis folded proteins, and you can't kill these things you could he'd. You could throw. Substance in the environment. That does not go away. I mean, Joe Rogan had a podcast on this with an expert on diseases and chronic wasting disease endear, and these proteins essentially, these bronze folds tissue in your brain. And essentially makes holes in your brain now in the context of mad cow disease, and consuming it and having an issue. There has never been one case of mad cow disease in the United States all of the cases were from people who consume to meet in another country, and then they came over here. And we're diagnosed with the disease, I've heard many very shady stories about the origin of mad cow disease. What to my understanding they fed sheep that had scrappy, which is the form of mad cow and sheep, they fed sheet meal to cows. And then they developed the bovine form of it. I mean, you can also get a pre disease crucial the disease if you were like a brain surgeon. And then you look the scout. Apple. But when people think that they're going to get a pre entities from eating brain tissue, specifically of the animal. That's not true the preowneds occur in all the tissues of the animal, although they are more concentrated in the the brain and the spinal cord the preowneds or in the whole animal itself. So in regards to concerns about actually day-to-day physical concerns scrappy in. I think it's actually called scrapie. I'm an idiot today. It's called scrapie because what happens is the sheep starts scraping their bodies against the fence. So scrapie in sheep is non has not been shown to be transferable to Uman's bought as we said earlier with these sick animals, these things don't usually get past the butcher same. Then if I mean, if you cut open lamb skull, and there's holes in the lambs brain, it'd be don't eat it. Pork is actually immune to diseases. They have like a genetic immunity to priante interesting. I've I have not eaten I've eaten Cavs brain. What's also, interesting to note is mad cow disease cannot occur in an animal until it is pass three years of age because it developed over time in the animal. What other brains can you eat? I mean, obviously, you don't wanna go out and eat a deer that had chronic disease. You don't wanna eat their brain or something. I'm sure something might happen there. But the point is has hasn't actually been shown that you can even get pre-owned diseases from other animals outside of humans and cows. And the reason the calif- was transferable to Uman's is because it was a mutated form of BSE. And the reason you can get. I mean, you can get crucial the cubs from eating brain tissue. That has groups will the cops. And also, some people arm you to it in general. That's also you mentioned that you don't eat raw ground beef. So what's your favorite type of raw meat to eat? Yeah. I mean, I maybe I've actually gone to foods like twice in the past year end. Rog around me, that's on a rare occasion. That's the only time I've ever done. It. I go to Pennsylvania has some listen to Amos people. They're the shit, man. I sort of got these people raise the animals how they're supposed to be. I bought this ground veal the other day, and I this ground like what I was like Jesus Christ this veal. It was so amazing the fresh meat raised. How it's supposed to be. I just have local farmers. I ask them. Hey, what are the cheap off cuts? You guys have fatty stuff, and I just eat whatever. But you know, you might think a brisket or a short rib or something has to be cooked very long period of time to me. I could cook a brisk at media. I could cook a brisket medium rare slice it against the grain. I can still chew it. I mean, I might have to slice it a little smaller. And but. My favorite thing to eat from a taste perspective. The tastiest raw foods to me are obviously I mean, raw dairy is delicious raw cream raw raw milk, raw sheet milk, man. My one of my favorite most, delicious foods in the world. But Maguire foods, you can cut off of an animal. I really like the the bone marrow can be really tasty. But this ties back to indigenous people they literally had preferences for every part of the animal like they might have liked the lower leg bone marrow, raw the upper leg bone marrow. Cooked. They might have liked the the sheep had boiled and the caribou had roasted over fire, very specific food preferences. And when you start tasting these foods, and you notice what you like. Things taste different. You know, fat from one part of the animal taste different than other parts of the animal, but in regards to actual cuts of meat that most people are familiar with. Yeah. Of course, I love rebuy revise Alicia. If it's really fatty the fat on brisket has this very unique flavor to it the fat on the belly of the animal. Most people eat bacon has a very unique flavor to it. Every part of the animal has a flavor. I mean, that's the great thing about this diet when you eat you could taste if a steak is flank steak, if it's skirt steak if his New York strip filet Mignon, you can taste what part of the animal. The meat is from same thing with the fat same thing with the marrow. It's it's it's really interesting where should somebody start? You know, they'll say they're grossed out. They think you're disgusting. Eating raw stuff and eat raw brains and everything where should somebody start just to get some more nutrients in their diet period without having to beyond too crazy schedule. I wanted to be very clear that you don't have to eat raw food too. Healthy indigenous foods are sorry. Indigenous groups did eat both cooked raw fermented food. You can eat a completely cooked food diet. I mean, if you're looking every single thing too, well done the only thing I would be concerned about his maybe you want some vitamin C in your die from somewhere else. You don't have to eat raw products. If you're looking to source products. There's some excellent websites like eat wild dot com. Local harvest dot org where you can look into local farms and farmers markets and see what made you have accessible on a more on an easier, relatively speaking term. I literally can go to like all the supermarkets and local butchers in my area hall butchers will have lamb pretty much any part of I did a video where I tasted every single part of her all land that I slaughtered. There's meat that's easily accessible you just have to do a little bit of legwork. Okay. The the ShopRite have grass would by. Oh, ShopRite has whereby for nine dollars. A pound. It's pretty insane. Does hope I mean, whole foods is different sore. I can't afford to eat there myself. I'd probably probably go broke buying second foods, maybe you can do ground beef all foods, but you really have to look at it. We'll start from the easiest so explore your local options supermarkets, any any sort of wholesale store. Like, Costco, see what they have available for fish, local Asian markets are a godsend. These guys will have anything alive that you can imagine that you would eat. They have it there, and they will cut it for you. And I mean, even things these they have live kill Mark. It's like where I am in queens and Brooklyn of but the meat quality ties in here. Getting the hardest thing to do is to get a quality source of me, fresh and cheap. You could get frozen stuff. That's that makes it easier. And once you've export all those local options, then you can look into farmers markets and local farms, I literally call up forms, and I say, hey, how often do you abbatoir two abattoirs slaughterhouse? You could call these places up. They often do slaughter an animal. Can I buy X amount of meat per week? If you show people you're willing to spend money and develop these relationships than you can get these foods, obviously, no, I do consult a lot of people that don't want to do these things. So there is a way to do it. And like that I mentioned earlier raw grass-fed cheese. I mean, the problem with eggs is even if you're going to the supermarket and buying the best passionate omega, three eggs. They're still being fed predominantly grain feed, the grass and meat is not as fresh and good as it could be. So there is a slight sacrificing quality. If you do want easier access to food, but. I always liked to think there's to be something wrong with you to do what I do. No, I'm sorry. The resources for anyone that's interested. Eat wild dot com. Local harvest dot org. Real milk dot com is great for finding local milk sources. And then you can even just Google. I would just Google stuff in your area. Butcher abattoir farm. There's probably a ton of Facebook groups that I don't really mess with entry. You got any questions over there? She got buddy. No. Well, my question was exactly how do we get started? But the those the websites that you mentioned were great. So thank you for that one thing that I did want to ask. And we're talking about it earlier. You know, you mention indigenous people in our ancestors and whatnot, and I'm not trying to be combative or anything like that. But we were just to take like an AB comparison, and I'll just be super basic and simple with it. We are living longer now. So why is it referenced so much in something arguments? So I actually did a whole video on that the other day explaining that one thing off the bat. That's not actually that's not actually true statistic the lie the life expectancy now is not too far off of what we used to have the constituent here is the infant mortality rate. So there were groups of people who will literally have an infant or child mortality rate of fifteen twenty twenty five percent. But if you got past that young period of life, you would likely live to sixty five seventy seventy five, and if we look at life, I mean, we can look at blue zones in life expectancy by country and see what they can they consume general. But the main argument against that is the life expectancy the other thing I like to bring up. Okay. You could argue let's say these people did die at thirty five. Let's say some of them did because these people are surviving. How long do do we think any of us would last in the woods without modern rifles Ma? Equipment. The fact that these people were able to survive with a bow and arrow in the forest like like to me. That's the craziest thing general if these people can survive with a bow and arrow in the forest and procure calories in that way. It's completely amazing. And that ties back into if you go into a forest the only thing you'll be eating is animal foods because you didn't have your ancestors to tell you. This plant is good that plant is good. You know, what to eat? There's that element of these people were literally trying to survive they had very harsh lives, and even in these in these tribes where they were very skilled and adapted hunting, and they were able to your calories very easily. They went around killing each other. You know, if you Google Australian aborigines cannibals natives to Australia. There's some really really crazy stories that I could talk about on here about what these cannibals used to actually do and they had beliefs like eating the heart of your enemy would make you stronger eating their brain would make you smarter. And I mean, listen. The branches of an animal might have mega three fatty acids in it, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should go over your neighbor's house and have some twisted thoughts going on. But. To tie back to the their life expectancy, people don't realize in for mortality, people don't realize the elements of survival, and the I mean, the main thing is these there's no evidence of genital disease in these people. There's no evidence of diabetes as evidence of cancer. There's no evidence of chronic disease. And if you see what they looked like they're like per, they look like marble statues. They look like perfect physical specimens and a lot of these pictures. And and one interesting thing, I bring up is not to offend any people. Have you ever seen a picture of bald eskimo or a first national asking or a ball native American? These people didn't lose their hair either. That's one interesting thing. I'm yeah. It just it gets got me thinking, you know, looking pictures of native Americans looking picture of these indigenous people, you know, they all look the same in a way, they if you think of a species of people that are from a certain area, they kind of look a certain way, and whether or not they developed properly in that way is. Conducive to their environment that I answer that. Did you want me to touch on anything specifically on the life expectancy thing? No, that's that's just about it. And yeah, there's it's definitely it's kind of like the who's better Jordan LeBron. There's so many different variables there like it's it's impossible to AB comparison. But now, you I think you hit it right on the head, man. I think to like, you know, I think that were dying longer. What I said kind of before we got on the show like there's so many people are so sick, all it's it's upset and say all life expectancy is higher and people get excited about that stat. And it's like everybody's on like all these weird drugs. And I think I mean, I'm just I just go by what I see. I see a lot of people not feeling. Well, see a lot of people. Wheelchairs and just sickly and and just not doing well and having diabetes, and heart disease, and all these other things. So I think that the message is great, you know, if we can get people to be healthier. And I I like your message to because it's coming from a place of addition now. Yeah, it would be great to have everybody like wipe out processed foods from their diet. And it'd be awesome. If people could have the willpower that you have to ninety two carbohydrate for the last decade. But you know, we realized that that's not probably realistic. But can you start to get more meat in your diet? Can you start to explore? Maybe some of the things that you mentioned to get more nutrient dense foods of Ken people make some room for some dairy and more for mended foods. Yeah. Absolutely. Can absolutely. Can it's not hard to do anyone can kind of implement some of these things. And I think it's a great way to go about it is dish by subtraction. You keep adding convince people that they need to go on a walk or have some form of exercise convince people they need. To drink more water convince people that they need more sleep. They need to recover from their day, the need to recover from their workouts. And I think it's a good place to start. Definitely. And if if these types of foods are supported if people start and even the past years, you know, these big companies, whether it's McDonald's or processed food companies when they see people want healthy foods, they switch their marketing. They try to meet the demand. So if people want to be healthy and people want healthy foods, and they're complaining that oh it's too expensive to do. Well, that's that's a whole different story. Once we once we start becoming healthier start supporting these higher quality foods. That's when there becomes a drastic shift, and it becomes accepted as opposed to the opposite of the norm. Yeah. Should be seeing awesome. A fast food rotten meat places. The opening up around the country pretty quickly here. I think. It's funny that McDonald's cheeseburger. Although I McDonald's does sell essentially rotten milk on cheese. I mean, I think the actual cheese the cheese a McDonald's patties is actually completely fake. It's not legit. I think that's a funny thing. Like people say, you know, that you brought up the Ryan meet him Donald's. Well, technically speaking if that was if that was an aged burger and cheese. It's really my it's really about convention and perception to it's really interesting. Thank you so much for your time that repre- thank you so much. Where can people find you? Frank to final on YouTube. You guys can follow me on Twitter Instagram website. Frank dash afoul dot com as well. Appreciate it. Thanks again. Thank you guys. Okay. Take care. Very interesting eating all that raw raw food. Pretty cool. I think some things some things he said, I mean are are easy to adopt. I mean other than other than like diving in on some raw food. I mean, I think I mean, it's all stuff. We've we've talked about on this podcast before having some variety of meats. You know, we've talked before on the podcast about, you know, bone broth bone marrow liver. Our brain can eat some of those things can eat liver and heart and maybe not maybe maybe just don't dig it. Right. So don't make your life any harder than it really needs to be. But if you try something, and you like it, then maybe you found something that you can implement into your life. The biggest the biggest. Just getting over how unconventional it sounds. You're right. You know, like like we talked about fasting before like, you mentioned we thought it was the stupidest thing ever, we do it. Oh, it's pretty great. So just like again like just getting over L Rami that sounds bad like from as a kid. You just don't eat raw meat. Right. Right. So you just got to get over that. And maybe do some research. See what you can eat. Maybe give it a shots. You feel probably a lot of it's probably not that bad. Trying to think of like other than a restaurant where they've had some thinly cut beef. I don't think I've really tried a lot of like raw. Meet in that sense other than like, we said sushi. That's been about it. I haven't really at home. I haven't just randomly grabbed a piece I eat my food, pretty rare. But raw is a different ballgame is a little different. And what he said made some sense to like if you choose to cook, it, maybe you just need to little more of it in the same amount of nutrients because when you cook it, you're going to cook out some of the nutrients, so it's like, okay. That's I mean, a lot of what he said even though there was some things in there. That are crazy. And he least acknowledged that. Like most people aren't going to be able to follow and do exactly what he's doing. Yeah. I like what he said about, you know, eating basically twice as much because I know when I make a steak, rare it tastes so much better. But it kills my stomach again back to my ridiculous stomach. But when I cook it really, well, I it's easier to handle, but I'm also like damage kicked it a little bit too long. But then I don't wake up in the middle of the night with my stomach cramping the way, I did the other. Try to so bad. But what if you eat less of it, and it's cooked a little less. I could give that a go. Maybe try that. Yeah. I wonder if it's the fat content too. Because I know I got some some friends that I've put on diets before and like when I put him on a Kito Dodi their stomachs is they're dying. And I think it might have to do with just the maybe the overall amount. So maybe just try to eat try to eat like six ounces and just see what that does. Maybe I can't like keep up with the the demand of trying to break all that down in my stomach or so it'd be some people there's so many other things that factor into this. But some people's gallbladder doesn't like keep up with trying to digest that amount of fat. And so therefore, it could be, you know, making you sick or could be other influences. Well, but maybe just trying to eat a little bit less might my work. Yeah. My some good. But then I'm gonna wanna reach carbs. Yeah. I know carbs like other carbs, I know car. Beget carbs. Well, that's what I noticed when I've been fasting. I'm still doing it every day. It's still Levin it. But if I have something I don't know like I'll have potatoes or I'll have extra rice just because unlike tastes really good right now. The next day is really hard to get through that initial wave of hunger. So I I don't know if that's just me or if that's just the way it is. But it's been tough. I think I think a lot of problems get solved when you keep your stomach empty. I think that will continue to help you a lot. I think fasting can be can be great from that sense. And I think you know, what Frank was talking about with just eating less, and just, you know, the conventional American standard American diet versus some of the other types of diets people might go on the main factor, whether you're going vegan or carnivore which seem like total opposites maybe in both cases, you just are making healthier decisions. And maybe in both cases because you're on a quote, unquote, diet, your also choosing to eat less, and maybe the simple. The act of eating less can help make us healthier. And then also, you know, when we had marxists. And on the podcast. We've had other people on the podcast who talked about Kito genyk diets. And they talk about you know, your body's ability to switch over from being a sugar burning machine to a fat-burning machine. I think that some of these things are are misleading. And I think that in the absence of excess calories. I think the body works at self out and uses what's there as fuel? I think you're buys like pay. We got we got a little bit of sugar over here. And you're getting kind of tired, let's funnel that out to whoever needs it. And I think the body like, although it is it can be very confusing on how all all the stuff works. I think it's I think it's simply a lot of times just come down to you know, if you're if you're continually eating massive amounts of food. I think you're kinda Rican havoc on your system and causing a lot of problems. Yeah. And then my biggest concern, and you know, how we talked about it a couple of episodes ago about. Like fascinate doesn't make any sense to me. Like, I need to be eating way. More like this dumb, blah, blah. I haven't lost. Anyway at all. And I really only been eating one to two times a day and yesterday or Tuesday doing dead lifts trap bar dead lifts, but Markle's like let's go for a heavyset of six in to see what you can get like, you're probably still fill in strong from the meat and everything. So let's go go for it ended up pull in three hundred six times previous to that did three hundred once for a like all-time PR. So I don't know what that was all about. But it's I'm not losing strength. And I'm not losing weight, which was my biggest concern of all of this. So whatever the hell is happening. It seems to be working. I think fasting. Your body releases some hormone to help protect lean muscle. Mass body will lease them a hormones that will just help protect you in general. So I think it's you know, how long were you fasting that day fasting pretty long on that day. I don't know. Exactly. I just know. Also, I sure skip breakfast. And then I don't eat before one o'clock. So there's a good chance that was eighteen hours fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's kind of falls in line with most of the research that shows that you aren't going to really lose muscle mass. Now, you know, could you could you optimize your diet better towards gaining more muscle mass and towards by eating more. Frequently sure I'm sure he can write. But you know, from what I've seen in seem as been doing this for a little bit longer as well. And I think a lot of people are reporting kind of similar facts with fasting. That's great thinking it just six. Trying out because like like I mentioned shortly. I was doing it wasn't Kito because I'll still eating carbs panels eating less than about seventy grams of carbs day and still doing the same activity just to see like in the back. I was like I'm gonna feel tired. I won't have much energy. I felt fine. But I didn't feel at any less energy at all actually felt maybe a little bit better. So it's kind of odd. Because like when you look at a lot of like, let's say high intensity athletes, maybe athletes that do basketball soccer jujitsu. I would've expected to feel like no energy on the mats. Because that's what I hear from a lot of people that, you know, cut cut out there, carbs or weightless carbs. But I didn't feel any of that. So I think there's probably a large mental aspect to it. They're like, oh, modding carbs feeling tired. I think that a lot of that might not actually be true just might be literally mental. And you're pretty smart with all this stuff too. Because you've been doing it for a long time. So I'm sure that maybe when you look at it. You're like I'm gonna cut back on some carbs. But we more fat. I'm going to have. Yeah. I'm gonna have more meat. I'm going to eat more fat, right? And. I think that was Frank's point was like a lot of times if you're gonna eat carbs a lot. Maybe you're not getting the nutrients that you need. Maybe you eat a couple of French fries, or maybe you eat which you'd get like a little bit of like vitamin C and a little bit of vitamin a, and maybe some potassium and some sodium from that. But you're not going to get a whole lot more than that. But if you just simply eight more meat, you would get more nutrients you'd probably get a good amount of calories because you'd get more fat and you'd get more protein. So when you start to kind of break it down that way, you know, something like rice just is almost just carbohydrates. It doesn't really have a whole lot else in it doesn't mean that you can't eat rice. And doesn't mean that you shouldn't every rice. It just means that, you know, maybe maybe what we're looking at most of the time is not always the right thing. You know, we're always looking at the macro, and maybe we should be looking at the macro and the micro and piecing those together because maybe when when piece those together, maybe we have something that would work. Efficiently and work faster for us. So anyway. Some good stuff. It was. Yeah. I like that. He wasn't. He did say some crazy things and he does some even crazier convention unconventional. I'm thinking, you're good. With with words. But he wasn't you know, he said that he doesn't totally right off vegetables. And you know, he wasn't. So like, it wasn't like a religious thing for him. He's just like this is what's working. And this is why it works. You know, he kinda had a little bit of facts back everything up. He wasn't full-bore. Everyone should be eating meat. And you can also just you can utilize this knowledge for whatever you need, you know. So like vegetable somebody might say vegetables or kinda worthless. And like he pointed out vegetables can sometimes have anti nutrients, and they certainly don't have a lot of calories. Right. But now, let's talk about, you know, you're doing bodybuilding show or you're doing a physique show. And he want to lose a bunch of. Or let's say you wanna lose a bunch of weight. And let's say let's say you weigh three hundred pounds. You wanna lose weight well shit a three hundred pound person has probably over long period of time. Consumed a lot of food a large volume of food. So now, let's say, okay. You know, I want you to with every meal, I want you to have, you know, two big servings of vegetables because he want that person to feel satiated and you want them to get used to their food and you want over a period of time for to bring down their caloric intake. And that's where you can utilize vegetables to your advantage. And Furthermore, if you just like them, just eat them, you know, you don't need to make life that hard. I mean, if something is is messing up your sleep. If something is messing up your stomach if you're not feeling right then. Yeah. You need to reevaluate that. But in general, if you feel pretty good, and you like the foods that are in your diet, you're pretty happy with the results you're getting and I don't think there's a lot of reasons to really overly worry about the fights not against vegetables. If it's not against for fight against trying to trying to pull the reins and a little bit on these processed foods because those things we're gonna tend to overeat and more than likely those are going to be the things that. Give us the body that we don't want three just taking a little bit from everything. And just keeping it simple. I don't eat a lot. Don't eat a lot of sugar or a crazy amount of it. If you want to have a little bit here, and there and a lot of processed packaged foods, I've been staying away from that for a long time. Now, I just feel overall better and just add in what feels good you don't have to totally cut out carbs. If you feel better with carbs, but don't eat like, eight hundred grams pay liquid carbs. It's it's it can be very simple, but you can make it difficult if she a lot of unnecessary when used to eat more carbs, and even when you design diets for people what happens when the carbohydrate intake is really high. I would imagine that the fat content has to come down. Right. The fact there's a guy right now. John John Schafer. I think you've seen it before is really white black guy on Instagram. Right. He's eating like maybe four hundred he's white and black. That's why. But he looks white, but he's half black. That's why really white black. Anyway is in. Bagram name. It is Instagram. All it is is John. I think right now is eating like ninety grams of ninety or maybe hundred grams of today, but he's eating like an nexus of a four hundred ninety five hundred cards. Yeah. He does jitsu. Also, he's done shows. He's he's jacked. And this is like the Lena sees ever been, but the most food is ever been eating, and that's even a pretty reasonable amount of fat. A lot of times you hear even some of these high level bodybuilders that are big that are, you know, this guy probably weighs what two hundred pounds to ten to actually probably to ten to twelve. And the funny thing is is like right now, he's doing jitsu lifting. But what we were getting ready for his body building show think like a year ago year and a half ago Hughes eating like maybe his carbs are at two hundred and his fats down elect fifty sixty to get that lead eastern a lot of loans to cardio now. Obviously, he's doing much more work and for to actually feel that we're just eat a lot of. Food, but he's almost he's close to being show. Right met him before Barbara Reagan you've met him. Yeah. So I mean, if you were to right now like he'd be there in in six weeks, but like he's eating an insane amount of food. So it really just depends on the person, and like how much activity they have to feel their workouts? That's what I'm like. It's also a good idea. It's a good idea to get yourself used to eating more food is a good idea to get yourself used to eating less food. Right. I mean, if you were going to go back to bodybuilding, you might wanna think about like, you know, for lack of a better term. You might wanna think I'm gonna race up my metabolism. And I'm going to start to eat more often more frequently, and maybe you're gonna start to do today workouts, where you got a little bit of cardio in their little bit of pump sessions going on here and there, right? And so you might just switch stuff up just to throw your body like just throw a monkey wrench into it. And kinda see you know, how how you react to it. But you know, a lot of people that are trying to adhere. To a diet. They just try to always eat less and always eat less and always eat lessen the new start maybe with something like fasting, and then they're trying to fast, more and more and more and more all the time. And it's like well now, you might get to a point where you're going to start to rebound back from it. So we need to you need to kind of like an exit strategy out of these things like what what are the next couple steps gonna look like and what I shared with a group that I've been helping earlier today. I said there's gonna you need to have time for everything understand that you know, there's going to be period of time or you eat less and you'll continue to weigh less. And it's gonna be a point where your weight's stops your hundred eighty five pounds, and you're stuck there. And you wanna be one hundred sixty five or whatever you're gonna be stuck. We stuck there for a little while. It's okay to be stuck. And when you're stuck that's a good good time not to give up. But it's a good time to switch gears. A good time to say, okay, I fasted I made some progress a loss fifteen pounds. That was great. And I you know got. Of carbohydrates. I'm gonna bring fruit back in. I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring a cheat meal back in once a week. I'm gonna burn right? Like just because you're playing the long game. You know, you don't there's no reason for you to weigh one sixty five tomorrow. And even if you die even if we could figure that out you're going to rebound back hard, and you won't be in the shape that you wanna be in anyway. So because we know that we're playing a long game it might take a year to get there. But that's fine. The longer that takes us to get there at the longer you're going to be able to stay there and the easier going to be. Anyway, that's all the time. We got today. Strengthens never week this week this never strength. Catchy. Guys later.

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Feeding Your Little Ones With Charlotte SR

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Feeding Your Little Ones With Charlotte SR

"Hello. And welcome to the get you'll blow by Paul cost a wellness pull cost for mums. This is episode eleven with Charlotte. Sterling meet Charlotte is a registered nutritionist who specializes in maternal infant and child nutrition wacky with Joe wicks on Weenen fifteen is a momma too little RAFI. She gives the best advice. I've passing land so much from her in today's episode. We talk about how to start weaning. Why should we start with vegetables? How to reduce around feeding how to deal with fussy eaters? Intolerances? What snacks we should be giving and talked tips for veggie kits for everything. We chat about today. You can find all the details in the show notes, which are at Madeline short com food slash episode eleven this episode has been made possible, thanks to natural hair. I using tampons for the last few years and just have. Bless back. They're certified organic period, those, which are all sustainable, chlorine free and biodegradable making soft on my skin and soft on the environment. If you want to rethink pair production of become an eco warrior like me, then had to natural dot com. Right. Let's get into that. Welker saw that to the puck. Thank you so much for having me kiva comment. It'd be working together a little bit yet for awhile which has been really fun because Charlotte is the ultimate persons come to for pregnancy Shishen weaning and child nutrition. And if you don't already follow her instructions detests, I love how much information you give it just think, it's our thank you say much. I think I just feel like weaning and feeding kids just become so confused, and I think that so many pairs up he genuinely very anxious about what in how to feed that. You'll say for me, I just want to our evidence based information, but just make it practical and realistic and honest, the south, hopefully, that's why do you hundred? So I came every pocus but asking what you had for breakfast. But I'm interested to know anywhere. You able also what RAFI pay perfect this morning. I had granola actually, but Rathi didn't happen. He is obsessed departs that he had porridge with blue breeze and peanut butter. Which he has the time. The granola have does have valid sugaring. So he didn't have yet is nice. I forage of blueberries and peanut butter. Lachey absolutely loves so if you start on your winning journey, why did you begin like when do you start? We know it's the six months Mark that we have time and time again. But is that the right time, maybe four often when do we know when our baby is ready got a thing that she could question because you know, government guidelines are that children should start at round six months of age. We know that the majority of parents do not feed that baby before that. And that's remote for reasons is so many different reasons why we start getting foods to babies before six months age. So I think it's really important that we need to amend that all children individual, then all be ready eggs actly on methods month birthday. But it is important to wait until we do think they're ready ended the guidelines in UK suggests that is close to six months as possible is a good idea because actually. Four then they might not be quite ready. I on foods, and there are some foods that you shouldn't introduced before you get to six months as well. So it's best to try and wait is close to six months as possible. But look out for signs that they'd be ready. So it might be paying a huge amount of interest in your food. It might be that they can sit up hot the head and neck steady. It might be that they can pick up food in their mouths all by themselves. And also when you start off 'ring, those you notice they actually swallow more than they spit out Nassar, we could sign to. Okay. So you babies ready to start weaning? Where is the best place to start? Do you start with baby rice talk with you start with Apple's? Where'd you recommend to begin yet? Really good question. Again, vices changed on this somewhat reason because it's been actually a load of research in the last years looking at the concept of offering vegetables, first babies, and what we have seen of reset. She's the if we into juicy based vegetables, I v they are able to kind of. Millea with the taste in the flavor profiles that those vegetables and little bit more. And so they might be more likely to accept those foods as they get older. Now, what we see we know that lots of Joe JR. In the UK, what we will say is fussy Ord kids tend to have a reputation of not liking their veg and veges, really good source of vitamins, and minerals, and fiber, and you know, the government's always talking about getting your five fruits and vegetables a day. So if we can start to ultimately train babies Palley early when they first start these to actually maybe have more of an acceptance of vegetables that could be a win win situation can end up with children who actually grow up loving their veggies. So that's the idea of those vegetables. I and it's something that the NHS the promoting a lot more now. So offering vegetables even those vegetables like spinach or broccoli as those I used to baby to help just adjust that how again them a little bit more familiar with vegetables bright from star. So you do that for the first two. Yes. I normally recommend for roughly about the first two weeks to just start with those basic green veggies. Jess again, expand babies palette, you can make some of your baby's normal milk and with that. That's absolutely fine. But yes start with those veggies. And then once you've done that just start. Introducing other foods, they for example, sweet vegetables plain, vegetables, like potatoes where you can start including in the diet, and then just gradually build on the variety that your little one has first couple of weeks green, veggies and all about building on that variety. So children could have most foods from six months of age is a few things like sore and sugar and certain types of fish, and Honey that they can't have from six months of age, but really is just about building loads of variety into their diet this date, and they're kind of two sort of ways of weaning bathe that I'm puree what is the best to do. What did you do? Raffi? I think people get really. Thank you. Subject some people. So people tend to focus on the baby. Let weaning they absolutely love it. They swear by the re passionate about and I think that's great. But it certain point to remember that there is not one way to feed baby. There's no right or wrong alternately is about trying it's about experimenting with baby. So for me, I think actually a mixture baby lead and spoon-fed weaning can be great because baby starts to experiment with different flavors. But also they're able to develop different Pandeli coordination and learn about textures the noses to me due to learn little about using utensils and spoon feeding. So maybe with Raffi we did a mixture base we did matched up food's very very first appear as just for those first couple of weeks with mainly with the green veggies. And then we started mashing fees, and it was mashed foods alongside thing foods that he has again, finger foods are great for developing hand eye coordination, their great helping to learn how to bite off pieces of food and chew up, those foods and swallow pieces. But also the mashed good for helping them to get used to the texture and get used to feeding themselves from space. So they both have really good place. I think experiment and just try and Sunday don't like finger foods and some babies don't like to have food from Mashal spoon. So is all about just seeing what was your baby. And as I said, experimenting how lows fun. How do we release the anxiety because you slave day? You made this pilot either blend up or whatever is that you'll making one and then they stretch it and they're not having any through. How do we relieve the anxiety of is my beginning enough yet as my baby like Hughes booze? How do we believe as really tough because I think, you know, so many moms really feel this, and they get very interest went baby doesn't eat the first thing. I think to know is that babies appetite will change all the time. And actually, I think one thing that can really help them just accepting that that is the case. Okay. So. If your babies unwell, if they are teething a fair just the too tired, or if they overfull they are not going to want food, and it's just them being to signal and signed you say not right now. Thank you. Obviously if that goes on days and days and weeks and weeks. Yes, absolutely needs to something about it. But it's so important to look over time. So if you babies fusing Amyot or one day hasn't eaten very much, even if two or three days that can be totally totally normal. And it's just about going. Okay. I'm going to accept that. You are not hungry for this food at the moment. But keep him on trying the thing. I think can we help is trying to focus on the foods that your having. So that you're not making necessarily completely separate moose baby because that can be so exhausting if you've made a whole meal and the baby's going don't want that. Whereas if you're just taking a special those early days when you're offering, you know, just a little bit broccoli off, you green beans, just offering them something this as. Part of your meal. So that you're not cooking up. Something completely set. Pro can just take that pressure off us mom, and then also that pressures they're not pull into baby to you Willie is upside to spend ten minutes cooking. I really love. I don't know if you've got the book young guns, and what she does in the recipes is she goes in this recipe. Does apportion more mom or yard, or grandparent or nanny of is and baby you all make Neely? I think it's such untested. Yes, fear. They're not really seen before yet in the world of baby food is that at the end of the day foods, something this part of all ideally onto eating together meant he learned easy. Simple. Not doing separate shot frog months. So I think I really recommend this and even be doing just that philosophy of being I'm gonna make some porridge porridge and just one less pot shop completely an absolute why that? Concept is not really thought about you know, we get to winning and less makes to baby. Oh, I forgot about me. You know, what we need to nourish ourselves? But also one of the things I see my worth. So frequently is a lot to do with fascinating. I'm one of the main reasons I would say is that children on always seeing parents eat. So it might be that mom sitting with them and trying to encourage or thank try try this. Whereas actually would help the most if baby got to see mummy tting it because that's how they learn. You know, especially in the early days RAFI would copy so much joy, you say shape, you say the wrong thing, and it comes back out their mouth, you you see them coping with hand movements or dance movements of everything. And that she they learning so much from watching you use it, and you and you show enjoyment all those foods that's going to really have knock-on effect how they feel about eating their meals to what other tips, do you have for fussy? Most yet there. Look to people with their and it can be hard top. Definitely, you know. This is something I do deal with folks on the time is because it is a big problem. The first thing I would say though, is that is we normal. So as terrace often get very anxious, but actually very normal very normal stage in a child's development. So first of all, we realize that it's okay. And you're absolutely not only their second of this. So many things that you can do to help smooth out. And the I I would say is as I said role model, so let your little one see you eating rather than at mealtimes making it all about Bannon the so much attention on them. You know, they often get so much more tension for not eating than they ever did for actually eating. So sometimes that's a little bit of a backward way of doing it. So take the pressure off let see you eating enjoy food sit back a little bit. And RAV than all the focus being on them. Eating Exxon yourself, just misses really tasty mommy's going to have a spoon because. Absolutely loving this all of that kind of thing. So nuts of role modeling whether that be as you said, you know, nanny Granddad are the parents are the siblings, get them involved, and let them be role models to charts. That's key. The other thing is to try and look rather than over one meal or one day look really twenty over week. Because actually, yes, they might have a Monday and Tuesday eaten very little. But sometimes you'll find kids will you do make up for that during the rest of the week or even the next week. They might make up for it. You know, I know massively. My son will have a couple of days where he doesn't eat anything. And then all of a sudden next week I'll be able to fill him up so try and look at the bigger picture that bigger context here. And who said the other thing that I would say is if you are concerned get their weight measured because that's the best thing to tell you whether they are eating enough from whether they're growing into ping. Well, so any concerns do do that and apart from that is all about just being persistent. So don't take foods off the table. If you think they don't don't add them to don't eat less. Just keep going with those because it's the milliard eighty that leads to acceptance. So as soon as you take those foods away, you're less likely that they are going to accept them. And the early years is all about bike Sposa are being exposed to lots of different foods and plenty of variety, which is likely to leave the ethic older to eat a real very diet too. So there are few tips. I could go forever and ever. When you're looking at RAFI generalist move punning meals for your clients. Do you the balancing the plate? How would you balance a plate for baby? So nothing really good question and actually property don't look balancing a plate. But I probably do especially when you Trish his head on my do look, balancing what he's eating over a day. So I'd probably look at the food groups, and I'd think okay has he had a good few portions of fruit and veggies has he had some whole grains and some carbohydrates today. And then importantly, the ones off get forgotten had he had the protein in iron, rich foods, like for example, facial eggs beans or pulses. And they last Lino has he had enough dairy throughout the day. So a couple of portions of dairy Coppola portions of protein which feeds each day, and then, you know, three portions of starchy or cop hydrates whole grades. And then about five portions of fruits and vegetables, but me thighs portion. So I'm just looking at. Kind of proportions of those these he had and making sure that I'm taking off all those food groups throughout the day. I do that. And also wanna get the evening meal off. Okay. What's he missing though, if I know that he hasn't had much in the way of protein, or if I know you haven't had any Bates Dubose that day. I'll be right. This is my time to get those veggies in. So I don't that to me. And I think that you can get a bit cool talk. Sometimes in always thinking out hersher so much pressure. And that she they'll eat what they want to wait. So you can think about it, and you can offer it. But I think you don't need to get too caught up in that what you offering just think about variety imbalance overall. I think about what RAFI over the day, and I do try to make sure that he balanced, but that's again, remind nutritionist head on. I'm just thinking how those preteens and it's normally those I would focus on, but you don't need to get to quit up. Just think plenty of variety in there all the time and make sure they're getting some of those groups in every single day. How about babies the logic to Darry? What are they missing? And what should we be swapping them for? So that they're not missing. Thank you, really good question. And that's Lee get questions on this all the time. The first thing I would say is that any child who has got dairy allergy? They should have house confessional. Dietitian a pediatrician or that GP that they're working on. And what I would say it's a really good idea to try get plan with them. They can help you proper meal plan to make sure that you're taking off the cow stimul- getting enough house in that guessing enough of all of the minerals that they would get from dairy such as calcium and protein making sure they're getting those in their diet. So that's what I would say mainly talk to healthcare professional about. But there are plenty of fortified phase in the UK. So we do have lots of fought five plant milks. But a lot of them don't necessarily meet up to the same protein and bittermann levels that we will see in cow's milk, for example. So there are other ways that you can include calcium in the diet sick. For example, things like hail and other dot we leafy vegetables, broccoli, a sources of calcium said can make sure it was getting those and again protein, you could be. Eating that from the foods such as nut, butters and beans, pulses and whole grains. So they're definitely all ways. But it is really important just to I would say what has kept fresh on. Just make sure that you're getting a source of calcium and a saucer preteen quite easily in the rescue one style. And how about we gonna vegetarian so oversee county I'm seeing no winstrom where he feeding kids vetch title, V darts because vegan vegetarian that's what they hope yet. Should they also be working alongside have care professional this way, took you? I get exactly my guess so many queries about vegan vegetarian dots actually recently Abril about vegetarian diets because I'm just getting so many questions about and you know, I don't think that it's a case that children shouldn't have. I think is always about preference of what you prefer. What works the family? If there is charged with completely on a vegan diet, and they definitely might need supplements. Her exam. Vitamin b twelve is as we difficult to get from plant based foods alone. So I think is worth checking to dietitian nutritionist, or if you're working with a DP or somebody who is a house cat, fresh definitely habitat within about it. But I would say that they're awesome fees that you can include in Hewlett wants diet to make sure for example, they are getting calcium to make sure they getting iron. So for example, if they aren't having any meat then swapping for things like tofu scramble tofu's a really great one to give the kids naturally. It contains iron. It contains how Siham also things like eggs beans posted chick peas homemade lend twos, all of those kinds of foods really really good plant based sources of some of those needs. You might be lacking. You have to think a little bit more you have to plan more fuel into his on a vegetarian diet. But I think is worthwhile. Definitely chatting to a house cat professional just to make sure you're getting that balance. And as they your little maybe risk of things like. Three fatty acids of IRA dean as well, which we often get dairy foods in the a a vitamin b twelve and potentially of iron calcium. So is something that you do need to think about and just make sure that the diet is super balanced, and it might just take having a chat with a house cat professional to make sure that that is the case. And how do they want to those levels blood test is a I think in this scenario with young children what you'd probably just be looking at the balance and just be looking at making sure that their food groups that are included in little ones diet that contain those nutrients of concern. So for example, omega three fatty acids, you might be encouraging them to include things like flax seeds in the diet, all even some oil extra virgin olive oil, which contains a little bit of mega three fatty acids. You know, I think it would be much more about looking at the context of the diet foods that are being offered. And of course, if there were any concerns or if you're unsure about little one visiting your GP if he. They may be deficient or lacking. In some of those nutrients to what are your thoughts on smacks should be giving them. Are we overdoing Goshi? Really tricky question. I think because again is so very very family to family. I think that sometimes went snacks become something that children just almost grays on throughout the day. That can be consents like often see children who don't necessarily have a kind of routine around the meals that they have. So for example, something like breakfast, lunch and dinner with a couple of snacks is absolutely fine for charters say over one years of age, but if they are on foods throughout the day, or if they tend to be grazing in between meals, and you're not sure how much goes in. That can often have knock on affect to how much they want to eat that mealtime. So I'd say snacks the fine. But really we want to folks a nutrient dense snacks because children have very high nutrient need and very high energy needs in comparison to that body. Signs. So when we giving them snacks who wants to be making sure though snacks in nutrient rich because otherwise they're going to be filling up on fees that are nutrient poor and not necessarily getting the news in that tiny little Comey's. So I would say snacks campaign really important role. But I think they need to be nutrient dense knacks what are your goat cheese Nazi RAFI? Number one. I he absolutely loves case. I was able to make a recipe which doesn't actually have any saunter grad, which initially I didn't think that ever happen. And it's been absolute winner loves it. And these days it's like slathered in peanut butter all dipped in hermits or with a bit about the Cardo on taught that that's a winner for me. I think okay, great. Also, so useful on the go and also see pieces of fruit. But I quite liked to have to try and combine say, for example, like the carbohydrates and protein with it or maybe some yogurt with a few tangerine slices dick in that kind of thing just to again, make the most of those times I mean. He doesn't have huge amounts max, and that's mainly because he actually es quite a lot to his meal. So I feel like he doesn't necessarily need the food in between. But if we do get as where he's feeling we hungry off asking for food and mealtime isn't for while then. Yeah. Okay. My absolute goaty. Yeah. I love following Yonsei schmead, see what you're Mel amazing out of this. And you're right. You do tend to do quite good portion size. And I think that's the archive gone wrong. I've done this do a lot of the snacks. Just yet here. And sometimes shave it's up five thirty in the morning. I think been milk should I give him breakfast now. And then he may be a tiny bit. And then do I give another breakfast eight? So I feel I've taken a lot from this. I think I'm going to rethink the male thing. Okay. Again, bit more structured is so hard is thing. I think his pants all on the go doing all the time and is really hard to stick with the structure in eighteen feeding them anyway, you could live your life. Well, you can't be in the kitchen literally making meal after being out for them. But I just think that children have they light we team, and they like those patterns of eating because it helps them to realize winds food going to be coming. They can expect it. But what kind of snacks? Do you make shave shea loves tangerine? How does it? Yeah. The fruit bowl, and he grabs out on cases. Well yet. Any elemental? Oh made in April capo some on the yet. He loves just she vegetables Trump's up took who. Yes now. She would just get you. Munching culpepper? I love I like. Them cook. He doesn't let Pepe cook within he was down there in the kitchen munching completely. Whoa pepper. But those such opponents. Back to school lunch folks is so Benue take your little to Nasrin useful XBox all school. How do we constantly get variety it? So the same sandwich day yet. What text you have to Honey keep mixing up because I imagine policing thing thing every day. The best thing to do. Yeah. Definitely. I think keeps getting bored with the lunchboxes. Sometimes there's always this concept of the parents having the war with the sandwiches that just come back home. So I think, you know, we always think about sandwiches at lunch boxes, but there's so many ways to jazzy to make it a bit difference. I can include things like coal pastors. You can include food that maybe you cooked for yourself the day before long as it doesn't necessarily need be heating. But also things like thinking of crackers, and okay, maybe spreading peanut butter. Oh, mom. I you can do things like Chris giant Koska salads. Just be really experimental with kind of offering one. Them meals that Rathi absolutely loves now is one I mate, which is literally of Queen cheese and avocado with a little lemon juice and parmesan on top. So again, if you just made like a mash like that and combined it with some past that would be ideal. So think outside the box. So don't always think about bread, you know, you could of bread vine sandwiches fund that may be the next day office crackers or cakes or pasta or couscous or Qinghua or Peter braid flat bread the so many different options. So try and very up where you're having just to make sure they get lots of different nutrients, but also to make sure that they're not getting bored of what your free and the same with the other groups as well, you can think about including little bit cheese or you could have little mini parts of her homeless. If you're able to keep it cool long enough or you could try and include some beans in past the source, if you're having it all hummus spread on bread or crackers, and so many different options three, I'm probably. Really really woefully. By just didn't think outside the box all the flavors that we just tend to get so start. I did some work actually recently with the BBC, and it was on a pack lunch thing. And it was basically saying that something like, don't quote me. A misstep is something like sixty percent of us either. Same thing for lunch. Every single I read. And I just think that's so mad because it's boring for us adults, and it would be exactly the same kit. Say so many different cops that you can include so many different ways you can include fruits and veggies in that, and then including a bit Choon oil, salmon, again, if you can keep it NASA, cool or kidney beans, chick peas and pulses. Join include those into the mix of large sippy counts. So I thought one the color sneaky question to me so shea does not like yoga, not massive cheeses on exactly how it tried to put on him as in like even coke. My of those trivial. Even to the point that if it gets on his finger touches any other moods. He doesn't Mike. I'm sure whether it's yoga and known of food often kids have a a weird, they it's not even fussiness. It's like distaste on go away one. At yet. Is that anything around the I can do to get him back onto potentially enjoy because it is a fantastic fee to have a really useful. One knows the kids really really love yoga as well. And it's good one. You can combine so many greediest in your the can add peanut by saying can add owns you can add spring coups seeds said so it is used for from that side of things. But I think sometimes kids just do pick up on these little things that all of a sudden, you know, what? No, I don't think there's an element of absolutely respect that he just doesn't want that in the time being. But that said, I would also say that familiarization at making sure he knows these okay is a really good thing too. So even if that behavior. Seeing you eating it when he was in you, enjoying it and even him. You guys. Yeah, they go. Well, okay. Well, even if it's somebody else in the family, even if you. Oil from there you go. Meeting and even just like let it he'd be exposed to it. So see it fairly regular because that's all about building that familiarity. But as I said at the same time, you know, they're all going to be we talk about keeping offering food to kids, but all going to be food that they just don't like came too. So I think as long as he's not really limiting his diet in other ways. And as low as you know, he's getting plenty of ballots variety. You don't need to worry too much about it. But you can't keep encouraging it by as the said leg himse other people we king making sure he's Amelia, making sure he sees every now and then perhaps as well. If he does we act in that way, not reacting yourself because the morning he sees you react when he's going away me the more you react the Moyer possibly do that again. So just kind of giving us final take away and leaving it back. I feel like you would just talk of your field you with so many amazing brands, and you're doing seventy mazing things recently, your voice in Burke with Joe wet just guy who probably gonna have love. Glove could win in fifteen is that will go. Yes. I'm just in the very very early stage. They're still going through the publishers at the moment to get them to define exactly what that wanting exactly what it's going to look like structures going to be. But yet really really exciting. I mean, I always wanted to. But for me this oversee on supported Joe is writing his own in fifteen bit which for me is fantastic. Because I've always wanted to get my information out there about weaning about making it easier giving parents basically information to help them with that process. And that's exactly what this is going to do and hopefully will go to a much much much larger audience than I got you too. Because as you said Joe is really well, but no, it's really fun. And he's such a lovely guy. And he genuinely has a passion to want to spread evidence based information, and he wants to help parents. This is doing it for. So it's he's been lovely of working families. We way guy, and I'm very excited about it. But obviously, still overwhelmed. And very busy today. Say much we select through your handbag or backpack. And what would we find handbag phone portable charger or wave? And what else that I have in thirty always a pen always pen. Oh my gosh. Have pain everywhere. I go on constantly biting notes. So we'll have a notepad and a pen in my bag. But that's what I'd say. My phone. Put would charge at night phone out school up that. Okay. You ready for quickfire on gay? Fred uncle. But was the first thing this morning. Got changed so favorite Meiji loving Miley. What's hidden talent did not fix? I did you nothing very young favorite foods. Thicket since your country country phones on his Nicot single to king texting Netflix Addy night. Netflix Pelosi's or yoga penalties chicken soup or herbal tea heavy duty, then eat chicken. Bike rider taxi bike ride, LA bike. Vance celebrity crush Piton, Jerry. Seapower. What would it be flying? Always. What's the strangest gift you've been given lots of packets of food and supplements? What you wish you'd know before he became how hard breastfeeding was going to be. I had no idea. Absolutely that. Yeah. No. I think you see it being this really cool man together. Get any kind get that. But I think sometimes as you overheard to doing it. But I've never met anyone that's being over at name completely. I really struggled at with the first six weeks. And I think it was because I just had no idea, and it was a pain. It was the soreness my nipples are really we saw. And I completely agree with unit at the house is always said hat, you doing it wrong? And I had my latch checks over and over and over again, and they all said yet is fine, but I knew positive soul, and I cried and cried and cried. And I just wish told me that that was going to happen because that would have helped me out. What's next for you other than we fifteen the warranty like this year to hold for you in a work? Also, personally, I think just working on creating content for me at the moment. I'm trying to get out with much information as possible. I feel like now is really good time that Joe's really helped me to build up my social to just make sure get evidence base and helpful information outs. Parents. So this is not quick on. But that's what I would stay build content. Will you are actually the holiday thing. And I was so great very size pieces of information. Which is the dream for me because I get so much information to amazing this is but also just read practical, thinkers, moms and dads stern. How much time and they wanna get in get some information and put it into action. Exactly, exactly. And I was thinking they don't have time to long winded block. So I do have long blocks actually try and break it down into small of information on my Instagram. But I definitely probably have done that today on this poker. Have food. But I do this topic you'd be Nazi fascinating. But it's a three key messages are everything which we add today that you would give lessons three he points that your passionate about what would they be? So number one, I would say in joy in joy feeding your little one because they were really really pick up a knife. They see you enjoying the time that you spend at mealtimes and enjoying your food. It will make all the difference in the world the second. I would say is Romo do try with them getting them involved in family mealtimes earliest possible and the third I would say is probably look balance. So look at how much they're having over days or weeks, but try not to stress out, but I just think about variety and palaces all about variety gang in that from basing if be remembered for one thing, what would it be changing and helping in the way that parents feed their babies offered love? I mean, that's oatmeal want to do is to be big face and support that helps parents to know how and walked and take the stress out winning. That's enough to be known for you already. Figuring. And final question is what is getting your blowback? I think it means really focusing on the U like shutting out everything else because it's so easy to get bogged down in what everyone else is doing what's going on around you. I think to me that hundred seven would mean looking after you and your wellbeing getting back to what you need because especially as a mom, it's so hard because all of a sudden, you don't matter anymore. It's all about this little one. And for me. I think looking after you because you're the one looking after your one art Genoa is something I need to fake on so much more. We make me quite emotional. Because it's so so important I think to look after yourself, and that can get so lost in work in babies and kids in life say getting that back one hundred ten that's great to. It's about getting they wanted to start with this as much information on oh, look up to your baby. And you talked a lot about that today. But on the whole Ashley Lukasz number one yet. Definitely math. And don't know what we talked about which is eating and eating and taking off is good for you to feed yourself. Don't forget about yourself because it's so easy do and I one hundred thin one to to you like the schoolmate meal, let toast fees and they'll scrap leftover them that great. But it's so true isn't if they become your number one. And I think I need to really focus on also looking off to me. And when you're bid you're running your own business, and you're trying to do a million things and the great mom and feed them. Great dime juggling everything and it's really hard. But that's one hundred way would mean for me. So I think it's a really good concept that you've developed his thank you so Maitree having me. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you so much for listening. She is just the most amazing woman. She's so passionate about child nutrition. And I just always get so many great text from her. I think she's so good at communicating. Some kind of key changes that we can make off eating habits that I know I got so much from this episode if you haven't already hit that subscribe button and leave me a five star of you. So we can get more mums glowing inside out, and you can find all the details on this episode in the show notes, which are model insure dot com. Forward slash episode eleven of cenex week for a brand new episode of get your blowback.

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007 What You Need To Do Before Reaching For Calcium Supplements

Healthy Eating For Kids

18:50 min | 1 year ago

007 What You Need To Do Before Reaching For Calcium Supplements

"Hello and welcome to healthy. Eating kids podcasts on your host bought. He found a registered paediatric dietitian and nutrition expert will be teasing out the facts from fiction and learning how to empower your child when it comes to food and nutrition. I had so much fun. Last week be on the spurt panel for the event that was organized by TAOs furred in the organic shop in Notting hill. And I was on the expired panel with people like, marina, Foget, the parenthood podcast and bump clauses. Heidi Scudder, who is the parent and baby. Coach rare Jordan who is the doll foods resident nutritionist, and of course, James Devonshire who is the dolls fed cookery school too. So really great discussion that evening, I hope he managed to union via their Facebook and Instagram live. If you missed the event, I believe that it will go on their IT TV's. Right for technology. So today, I'm going to be talking about calcium supplements does your child need account him supplement, and what you need to do before reaching for a supplement. The reason why pick this topic was big cause a mom who joined us on the day are very question. I thought was a good one. So let's chat about calcium calcium foods and calcium supplements today. But before we dive into today show, I just wanted to remind you that this so much a bird obey city and sugar at the moment. There's talk about should we be banning junk food advertising on TV before nine o'clock. Lots of that labeling of shoulda in food packages snacks for children that something will definitely be addressing on the pot caused us while, but if you are feeling really confused about sugar, please do feel free to download the guide on sugar that have on my website UK kids nutrition dot com, just hit guides in the dropdown menu. And you'll see sugar guide. It is kind of like a mini Coursey. You'll get at least five emails a day addressing things breakfast, cereals. Fluids dreams snacks yogurts things that so it's a really useful guide. It is free to download at the moment. So do take advantage of that Papa link in the show notes. And if you read the block pose as you know, I now repurpose all of the pot cars as a blog post, so you can click on the relevant links to down the guide. So how much calcium do you actually need babies need about five hundred twenty milligrams of counseling per day and toddlers wanted three euros need thrown a fifteen minute rooms day four to six year olds need four fifty minute rooms a day seven to ten year olds need five fifty minimum today. So you can see the requirements on increasing assure get older and then from around the age of eleven till about eighteen for boys. They need. A thousand milligrams a day to quite a bit more. That's a big jump and a little bit less of about eight hundred milligrams a day. Now, you're probably thinking while what does that actually look like in terms of food, and there's a great question. But before we start on Seraing that let's think about why do children actually need calcium. Well, as you know, calcium is important for building strong bones. And and you really have this window of opportunity to labout say, you know, early twenties very early twenties to pack up as much calcium into bones as possible because they're often you actually start to lose bone. So this is a very important time to try and maximize the home much calcium. You can get into children's births kinda. Like a Bank account where you want to deposit as much of this mineral as possible to have really great, strong bones. During adulthood, calcium also has a role in helping blood vessels regulate. The flow of blood in your body, it assists in the contracting of muscles aid has a role in the communication between sales and contributes to blood clotting. So it looks like it's got quite a lot of functions. So that's why it's really important that Suren get enough calcium throughout the day. So where did you need to get calcium? Well, dairy is an obvious choice. But it can't be difficult. If say your child doesn't like milk or isn't fond of cheese or any dairy products. Oprah hap you follow a vegan vegetarian died, and you not including dairy products, or perhaps your child has a dairy allergy in which case what what? Other foods can you use? That are also great choices of calcium. So there's a lot of chatter. Ballot. The bioavailability of calcium in the different foods. And that you know, is dairy actually a good source of calcium in that is the calcium that's found in dairy absorb because it's about thirty percent. That's absorbed naturally, and some people might say, well, that's not a lot. You know, thirty percent gosh, that's a lot at all. But think about how much calcium they is in say a glass of milk. So if there's one hundred twenty milligrams of calcium in one hundred Mils of while thirty percent is absorbed. Then that's actually quite a lot. That's at least sixty minute grams in two hundred Mils of cow's milk. But you definitely don't need to think about numbers line that you don't need to think about. Okay. So is that thirty percent of dairy is. Is absorbed. How do I reach the three? Fifty milligrams a day for say a toddler between the age of one to three years of age. You don't need to do that calculation at all. It's just to say that some foods all better absorbed than others, and we will go through that list in a minute. But I just wanted to reassure you that if your child is having three portions of dairy -oday 's whether that be a bit of milk or cheese and say yogurt distributed throughout the day with breakfast, lunch and dinner, for example, then chances are they aren't meeting their calcium requirements, and you don't need to think about reaching for that calcium supplement because what often gets forgotten is this a whole bunch of other foods out there that naturally contain calcium. Let's good go through that less now. So the most obvious choice if your child does not enjoy milk is obviously the pig. Eight plant drink, that's fortified. And depending on the actual type of counseling that Spain years to fortify, the mugs say, it's you picked up a cotton of Sawyer drink, and it's been fortified with something like hell seem sit trae cut himself. Eight accounting carbonate, the amount of counting. That's going to be absorbed will vary from Iran twenty to forty percents. He's pretty comparible to cow's milk. And it is a great option just bear in mind that the calcium that's added things that Aren Jews or some of these plant drinks eat can settle at the bottom of the carton. So it's really important to shake vigorously before serving and do that every single time. So if it's just yourself who's if you're home alone and your drinking this carton of forty five thousand forty five plundering then. Yeah, of course, you'll probably end up getting it all eventually. But then if that. A carton is being shared by everybody in the family is really really important to shake that cartons said that you know, there is calcium present in every drop. Basically, I won't go into much about the different plundering that are available. You can listen to the very first episode that I released back in January called how to choose a dairy free vegan plant milk, and he'll be able to download a checklist about how to select a plant. But usually you want to select a brand that has at least one hundred twenty milligrams of calcium per hundred similar amount to Cal smoke. And of course, just a reminder that things like almond milk or rice milk are generally not suitable for children under the age of five one because it's too low and calories and the rise strings are just have far too much. In organic, arsenic present. But more of that in that episodes, do make sure you listen to that particular episode now if you're into SuperFood, you're going to love this because broccoli is definitely a SuperFood. I mean, what an amazing food for kids to love because it's called fiber of vitamin c and it's gone calcium. So it's got about thirty five milligrams of calcium per se Hoffa cop, and he might think that's not a lawn bond sixty percent of that is absorbed. So that's a brilliant food to include every day. If you want to do as part of the five plus a day, and then, of course, things lying kale and Bach all to have really good amounts of say around seventy milligrams of calcium per half a Cup of which at least half of. That is absorbed fifty percent absorption rights. That's brilliant. Great sources of calcium supplant foods. That are great choices to include. Now, just a warning about something like spinach don't fall for the calcium Trump. If you look at the nutrition table for smash it says cooked, spinach, there's about one hundred and fifteen milligrams accounting setting a half a Cup. But only five percent of that is absorbed, and that's because plant foods like spinach does have substances called oxalate and fight eight and these kind of bind to calcium, and it forms, these salt complexes, if you like which then gets excreted so it stops the calcium from being absorbed in the body once eaten it, so spinach is brilliant. Four iron is a really great bit of NC, see an iron rich food. But as. As for its council content, although on paper, it looks like it's got a great amount of calcium. It is an absorbed at all. So I wouldn't use spinach as your daily source of calcium for the kids. What it does have is iron? But what it isn't is that it's not a great choice of cows. Hope that's clear for you. Now, why calcium away? Spinach isn't a good source of calcium, and it is important to think about the absorption or the bioavailability of some of the plant foods because not all on the same. If you thinking of greens think of things like halo Accra that sort of thing, but not spinach. This is also the same for something like not sincethe things like almonds are taught to be quite high in calcium. But unfortunately absorption is about twenty percent. And because it's not a. Food that children would eat in large quantities. I wouldn't use that as a main source of calcium. So if you're using something like almond butter on toast or mixed into parrot or smoothies. That's Kate was still provide maybe five to ten milligrams of calcium which still all at some. But it's not going to be the main source of calcium in your chance diet having said that it is a very nutritious food. It's a source of protein, maybe a bit align in it as well and other minerals now something like sesame seed, it can again on paper, you may think while it's got quite another calcium in that. But again, it's not Brealey absorbed. Very well. And sure wouldn't eat that in large quantities. You really do need to have quite a bit offer to get a decent amount of Cal. ACM from that as contributing to the daily requirements. So I would say it's a great food providing other nutrients, but I wouldn't use that as your as a reliable source of calcium. If you like use it because you enjoy eating that great make HAMAs and things like that. But I wouldn't count that as a reliable source of calcium for children. Now, if you starting to worry about what's actually a good source of calcium. Do forget things like beans and leg you GMs. So Pinto beans red beans direct kidney beans, all of those. They are good choices for an alternative source of calcium. So they can't be incorporated and children love those with a jacket potato that sort of thing, and certainly Sawyer or calcium set to who. And eat among beings, the old grey choices. So it's really just about getting a good variety of calcium. Rich plant foods regularly throughout the day. So it will involve a little bit of planning if your following Edey, free diet or vegan diet so in summary things night, kale, BOK Choy. You can't use a calcium forty five plant drink, not sincethe. They have a little bit of calcium in them. They're not wouldn't use them as a staple. But obviously use them because they are still very nutritious food, but maybe not your go-to for calcium and certainly not spinach because although he does have good amounts of calcium. It does get bound to compound cold oxalate, which then reduces how much of the calcium is actually absorbed and available for your child's. Body. And then, of course, the beans leggings, sometimes you can get calcium forty five cereals and whole grains bread that sort of thing. So they all add up to all contribute. And of course, we haven't even spoken about things like. Fish Saadi with bones in them. They are brilliant calcium foods as well. So lots and lots of foods out there that are sources of calcium. Obviously the fish wouldn't count for you. If you're falling vegan vegetarian died, but if you eat all sorts of foods, and you include lots of variety in your died, then that's something else to consider as well. If you're wondering how much calcium there is in fish and shellfish than sardines one hundred gram tin will provide about five hundred forty milligrams of calcium pill charts than tanned into Marta source. Attend a small ten has about five hundred thirty eight milligram. So quite big quantities. And their salmon one hundred grand tin will provide about nine to six milligrams. So great option if your. Including oily fish and just fish in general in your child's diet. If you're listening to this podcast was you're traveling to work or you just you know out on a walk. Don't worry output a copy of a blog post that I think you'll be interested in it's basically called how to design the best day free meal plan. So it doesn't matter if your child isn't following a dairy free meal plan, but you might get some ideas for recipes and ideas, and how to regularly include calcium rich foods throughout the day for your Charles output, a copy of that link in the show notes or make sure that you go onto my blog where you'll be able to read basically read this podcast in a blog format if you like, and of course, if you feeling over bound after listening to this drop me an Email by he don't van Deboer at gmaiLcom. We can't perhaps get your book into. One of my clinics, and you can also book a call using my link c-can book into online calendar, and we can't jump coal and talk about how I can help you. If you're struggling with getting enough calcium in your chance died so that you don't have to rely on calcium supplements. It may be that with a few tweaks we can make sure that your child is meeting their daily requirements for calcium. Bye for now.

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038 The Best Mood-Boosting Foods For Kids

Healthy Eating For Kids

17:37 min | 3 months ago

038 The Best Mood-Boosting Foods For Kids

"Hello and welcome to kids nutrition podcast I'm your host by Vandal. A registered paediatric Dietitian based Holly Street I, help you with fussy eating, guzman protein, allergy, and also help you plan your Vegan diets. I'm so excited that tuning into the podcast. Let's dive in to learn all about how to empower your child one bite at a time. Welcome back everybody. I hope you've been having a really lovely July. There have been some indeed very hot as the equity, you some windy and lots of rain, our I hope you keeping Save, and the sure on are enjoying the playground area. If you choose to let children getting there safely, of course, if you haven't tuned into the previous coffee, so we spoke about how much exercise children. Need to if you haven't into that yet, then do. That because it may give you some tips and ninety years about the types of exercise, and how much exercise, sure need but today. I was actually going to talk to you all about what sort of snacks to. Pack my nego on road trips of example because we haven't got any overseas trips, put this year. We are heading off to call more on Wednesday scientist about that, and certainly when I. Return make sure I record a podcast episode. Tell you all about how that went. But in the moment a wanted was researching some snack ideas because I know what I was going to. Sue Pack for the kids. I actually stumbled upon this really interesting paper. On Mood for kids and it was really relevant. BECKY's covid nineteen has or this pandemic has certainly a. A really tough time for children and you know, I've seen lots of. News clips talking about. How this locked-on has affected are true and I. Saw some clips about your school-age Primis Galatian talking about experiences, and how they failed and I just couldn't help thinking. This is definitely the time where we need up ultras nutrition. But if you're thinking about how nutrition can. Impact on mood. It's actually going to be slightly different to what you may have. Traditionally been heard, which is obviously we talk about perhaps the midst Iranian died, being most beneficial in heart and overall health and of course mood. Actually to go in a slightly different direction, but before we do that as always to start Latino. In talking a lot about my facet, eating programs have got the Fussy Solutions Program, which is a one to one program with me. You get a number of appointments and you get access to the online 'cause and we worked through very specific activities to help you support your child. Try New foods, and if you're interested in that, you can book a call to talk to me about that, and that's exactly the same for the suspected dairy allergy. Problems feel concerned that you. May Have underlying. Say Delayed Cosmopolitan Allergy. Then book a call in my diary, and then I can take you through my packages and programs, and we can work on. Be The best fit for you now. Let's get onto the main part of the show. The good news is that a couple of systematic reviews, their kind of flight, the ghost standard where they look at a number of publications and review this publications, and then through a process they will sort of say these papers publications don't really meet the criteria. For assessing reviewing which which of their findings were perhaps. Conclusive or good quality research. But, what was really interesting? Is that both the? Two systematic reviews one, which is mainly done completed in admirals and the other one was insurance and chewing one was really interesting. And obviously, so as the others, and actually the findings were exactly very very similar in that they both concluded that fruit and vegetables, no surprises or kind of a surprise to you. If you know what I mean will very beneficial or were more likely that you're in who had at least they're five portions of fruit and Veg. Day were more likely to benefit in terms of mood, and that was really surprising, because it's not a lot of food that I would associate as lifting. Wouldn't think of eating fruit advantage at of an uplifting food for children, and we'll talk about why they came to those conclusions, and which particular vitamins and minerals may have a role in enhancing mood, but I I just thought that was so interesting because it, you know. Some of the studies actually glued. As young as five and right up to about seventeen, and they sort of you know the different papers a collected the data by. Usually through online questionnaires or something like that to sort of? Get an idea a picture of the dietary patterns. How many of fruit? There's the homage of the other foods that were eating. Some of the papers did look at some of the other factors lifestyle factors there may have a role insurance mood as well so we do need some of these findings would have repeated in other. High, quality research studies, so we still can't say that food such as fruit and vegetables. Definitely improved mood, but it does look like this. You know quite a nice link in this area and it's. Not The reason if you if I remember a client, a lovely Lady of mine. She did say to musical Bonnie. Just, give my kids. You a vitamin and mineral supplement I, know the not eating a big range of foods. We're really really busy. Really struggling and I was just thinking. Why did I just of a vitamin and mineral supplement and be done with it, because then I know the Mitch Albom. Get whatever they need and such an interesting question, isn't it? Unfortunately it's not just about the victims and mirrors, but to share with you very very shortly. In fact, break it down into a few key vitamins and fiber. Which yes, of course again it could, you could take five with supplement, but really you kind of want to. Encourage to be fruit and vegetables bickers when they are eaten as a package, so they eat when they're even just as we know the act of eating. Vegetables in his natural state, even if it's been cooked of holes, but in its natural state say. It will be slowly digested in the body because of its fiber, and the fine will then go on to feed the microbiome of the good bacteria insurance got, and of course that whole got brain relationship where we think that that may have road in enhancing mood, promoting uplifting mood, and thoughts and things are so again. You can't really get that effect from a pill. You might do but again. We. Don't really eat single foods and single vitamins on this specific deficiencies. Of course it's again just gear helping shore and do eat a wide range of foods quite earlier. So what are the key factors of course is fiber and the fiber the food? Vegetable, Also eat these specific carbohydrates in the fruit and vegetables that will help feed the good bacteria which can. have a role in promoting mood insurance. So that was really I thought that was really nice to finding. There are some other minerals live four days of folic acid, and that again crosses the brain barrier, and even say things like vitamin B., twelve over the other be victims that are naturally found in fruits and vegetables. Do have a role in. It along that part way for making the neurotransmitters. Dopamine and Serotonin they will have a role in helping. Make those neurotransmitters which as we know, do have a role in regulating mood, and that's also the case for children's again another reason really to encourage our shown to be eating fruit and vegetables. If you really really struggling with fruit vegetables, because your child is e to the good news, is that in some of these studies? They did count things like. Bit more of the processed fruit and Veg so anything that's found in can in a tin. The tuna canned varieties. What all's accounted to a serving size of fruit and veg in a day, and so I, would assume that the frozen would also be counted. And also the fruit juices they did come to us today. Fruit and veg intake squad and I would guess that would be the same for smoothies, but Mackay just be careful with these speakers you know if your John is predominantly relying on smoothies and furnitures than these are also a form free, shiver, and the maced onto exceed the amount that you want. To be having according to as generally virtual me. Say is about one hundred and fifty mills. As the maximum amount of fruit juice. We want them to drink a day or otherwise diluted. Down so in all. If you're thinking some days, China might get something I. Drive food. All vegetables from a can that's. Fine these all count to the daily intake of fruit and vegetables I. Know let isn't a food that we typically talk about insurer, but if you think about Sean, very fussy eaters, then might be ever ask of not getting enough of this nutrient, just because you're not eating enough of the fruit and vegetables. So for that reason I thought we could just very quickly touch on some of the sources of late, and so this would typically be things like green leafy vegetables now one of the stray and papers that I came across to talk a lot about silver beat and I remember when I lived in New Zealand. Silver Beetles something we certainly did you eat quite often? It seems like hail seems to have taken over in terms of popularity, but again just goes to show. You don't need to you, too, and donate to be eating Kale to benefit. They can do any of the green leafy. She was including boring spinach, which I love. My kids don't get very excited about, but I do especially baby spinach is quite nice and mild, but there's also things like asparagus. Spinach remain lead twos. Brussel sprouts working gets the kids might roll their eyes at that one Broccoli, so we love Brooklyn House Green Peas. That's always overlooked. But that's actually quite rich. In four days and Avocado and our pretty popular, but what I found. Is that although my kids? Were brought up eating. Of Carter sandwiches quite regularly as babies, and of course ones nurse restarted in a school, and you know the change with having to Moseley in the some ice, not stiffly food, so I kind of have to find different ways of encouraging them to have it all still presenting it because we certainly enjoy having. But of course you know apart from the fruits and vegetables, some great products like forty five grain products like wheat, flour, Pasta bread. We also dried beans, peas, lentils, flaxseed, and sunflower, these own sources of light as well, but just thinking around some of the vegetables the it may be worthwhile thinking. How often do you serve these foods in the house and? Do, you need to think Obama's sort of increase that I was things like beads and oranges. They are also a source of four-legged. Just want to bury briefly touch on the what the adult system at review mention and the orders of pippin particularly focused on some of the fruit and Veg Line Berries. They spoke a lot about the citrus fruits, and we now know that source of four light, but also the green leafy vegetables again, focusing on the filleted the vitamin C., which we haven't spoken about but game that has been linked with mood, and of course there have speeds and whispers in amounts of the research papers about the relationship Fiterman a with mood as well so it's an interesting area of research I'm sure love to do some research area. And if you've been wondering what sort of foods to eat, so apart from, say the oily fish for the AMIGA, three fatty access which we know can influence mood. Your best bet is always not to skim on the fruit and vegetables at to try and increase that. If you charge any having regularly one serving of vegetables a day. That's brilliant. Well done think about how can you? Gradually get up to two servings a day breaking it down into really small girls. That's easy to achieve, and if you really really struggling with that and he conned, get your Jovan or char to consistently have their at least five servings of fruit of day. Then as mentioned previously I do have my faster eating solutions program, which will be perfect for you as it will help you explore some different ways of encouraging sean to try new foods linked to book a call to work with me and inquire about these programs and packages. You can book a call into my calendar. Link will be in the show. And just a little bit of news that won't be a podcast episode for this week that the weekend of twenty seven twenty eight bickers, I will be in Cornwall, and I was going to try and get something out for you by then. Realistically is not going to happen to the next episode will be the following week at however if you have been in if you're running behind on podcast episodes, and you haven't tuned into, say the probiotics, one or any of the episodes, the interview with the psychologist on Fuzzy, eating a loads on managing a dairy, Free Diet, or suspected cosmic allergy, and of course on managing plant based nutrition to go back into the archives, and maybe this is a good unity. Flee to catch up on some of the ODA podcast episode. Thanks again for tuning in. The next episode.

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How To Set Boundaries Around Food And Family | HSM 437

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How To Set Boundaries Around Food And Family | HSM 437

"Half size me episode for thirty seven brought to you by the half size me community to become a member. Get the support you need. Go to half size me. Dot Com forward slash join. Speaking. Camman in. His? Last. Pills guns and being. You Bill. Know you're will. Welcome to another episode of the half size me show I. Am your host Heather Into Day i? Have a great coaching call for you. With Chris Chris was really struggling because she wants to please everyone, and because she prioritizes that she often sacrifices her own health and her own goals, so in this coaching call. We're GONNA. Talk about how she can begin to put in some boundaries. Boundaries how to make food at home that her family will enjoy and how to speak up for herself when it comes to her family, wanting to eat out, so there's a lot of good stuff in here, and this is a cycle I see a lot of MOMS and women falling into which is the people pleasing role, and we want everyone to be so happy and everyone to. To be so comfortable that we ultimately end up sacrificing our own happiness and our own desires to try and keep everyone happy, but the reality is. You can't make other people happy. You can really only make yourself happy, and you can be there as a living support to those that you know you care for, but their responsibility to make themselves happy so a lot of good stuff. Stuff in this coaching call with Chris now as I promised you. We wrapped up the fourteen day. Challenge the red brick challenge I really had a great time with us. It was a way for people to truly see that they had the ability to make decisions all through the day to course correct. The did not have to wait for tomorrow. They did not have to wait. Wait for Monday. They could say the next thirty minutes. They were GONNA. 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We have Chris a Millette Chris. Say hello to everyone and then Chris if you could start to share with us what you're currently struggling with. I am Chris and. I think one of the things that I've struggled with probably all my life, but especially my weight loss journey in wanting to please other people and therefore making choices for food and drink that probably as much my own choices as wanting to make sure other people feel comfortable, so for instance if my family is. Wanting to go out to dinner then. They have ideas about where they wanna go and I don't really, Wanna Put a damper on things because of my race issues and so I, kind of go with the flow, and often it it leads to me, not making this choice as I was like. Be Making so just kind of. Wanting to draw attention to my way or to my journey by an also not wanting other people to. Be uncomfortable or not be able to celebrate because I'm not participating in that so okay, so let let's backtrack for just a second to make sure I'm clear on a couple of things right now. One you said your family, so is it you and kids? And if so, how old are the kids? My husband and I and then our daughter, actually twenty four living here temporarily and she and my husband, neither have had a weight issues, so there's always been sort of that tension between what I'm trying to do. In terms of you know stain. In my plan and they have a definitely. A bond around eating. Certain foods together. So, So it's either like participate or get left out of the trio, so I'm right now for you and your husband, because your daughter's twenty four, so she's an adult. Are you currently planning out meals for you and your husband every week? And then ultimately these eating out things kind of override the meal plan, or are you actually planning on you guys eating out, but the location gets switched. What does the meal planning part of this like? well I do I do meal plan and do cook do most of the cooking for all three of us, however like we own to retail store, and so right now it's really really busy time. It's solid days and so my daughter's trying to help out because her job is a little less demanding at this time, and so she's trying to cook meals and and do that for us. which is, it always makes me nervous because I don't know what other people have put in the food and she. Like, to experiment, with they like really rich food and I. Don't know it just doesn't. It's not really a part of the plan, but I also don't want to tell her not to help out and not to leave with cooking, so I've been trying to say hey, if we could do something along these lines, but but I feel I. Mean I know. It's my own issue, but I feel guilty asking other people to accommodate me. All Right, so let me ask this question the next one. So how many times right now a week is this eating out issue coming up like if we were to go back through this last month, would we see every week? You're family's eating out about an average of three times more than three times less than three times. Less than that. Yeah, we don't. We don't eat out very often. It's more just the time we are having food together celebrating. There's something that. If I don't take the reins and make something then it ends up being something. That's a lot more. calories and a lot more that and a lot more everything. You've done. I would normally do that again. I don't want to. Interfere with their enjoyment so I just. Let it happen. Got It okay, so you know what? I'm loving every time I ask a series of questions, we unpack this a little bit more because when we started, you said it was about eating out, and now we're ultimately realizing that you guys don't eat out all that often. It's really more about the social aspect of the eating and the kind of in your mind separation between what they're eating and. And you're eating or what you feel. You need to be eating and versus what they're eating so like every time you and I make a pass through a little bit more kind of comes out so so right now. Let me ask you this. Are you currently tracking your food in some kind of an APP or journaling in some way? Yeah, yeah, I, do W W and I tracked or anything so. It's not been. It's been pretty lately, but I sure. All right so before the holidays with her living at home, were you able to be within your point target, but now that it's the holidays and you guys like you said a retail, wise or lot busier, and she's doing a lot more cooking for you guys is that we're? The problems are to come in with not maybe hitting your targets. Yeah, I mean it's always the problem when I don't do the cooking. On any given an any given. But I'm not agree the cookies I can be sure that it's going to be something and even and even my husband. He likes her to that again. It's always you know richer stuff more fat, and because that's all it tastes good to them and surveys, really good cook. It's just when I'm not in control of the ingredients in the later. Cooked! They're definitely like the charts. So, let me ask you this. Do you and your husband have everything one hundred percent in common as far as hobbies, interests things like that. And no okay. So, what does he like that you don't like? Like horror novels and By tricky. I. Don't know we work a lot, so there's not a Lotta sports or anything like that. Definitely. Yeah, he he'd like. Watch the SEAHAWKS. Okay, and what about your daughter is she in you completely on the same page with everything like? Do you guys enjoy the same music same movies, same book, same activities, hobbies, or other some differences. No very difficult. So let me ask you this. Do you ever feel the same kind of weird feeling of necessity to say your husband's reading a horror novel like you should be reading it, too, so that way you two are completely connected on that front, or do you let that go? Let that go why? Because it's his interest and I have other things that I like to read them, so it's not an issue. You give yourself the space to do the things you. Need to okay all right, so let's take that thought process and move it into the food and eating experience. Okay so often. We self sabotage because we think we should be eating everything. Our family eats that we should all be like if we sit down for a family dinner. Not only does it have to be a shared experience of sitting now for family dinner, but we also literally have to be sharing the exact same food at the exact same time. But I'M GONNA make the argument. What if you had a nut allergy? Or what if you had a dairy allergy? Or what if you had wheat allergy I? Just talked to somebody at one of my my mom groups for my home schooling. My kids and she's like. Yeah, we just realized. My Kid has an allergy to this that and the other have to really be cautious, and they're choosing to all abstain because they're trying to support this kid because he's having some issues, but in many families there can. Can Be one person who has a food issue that doesn't affect the rest of the family, and they will consume the food this this idea that I love you and I. Don't mind sitting down to dinner with you, but I don't also have to put the same exact food on my plate that you you're eating I can choose to eat something else and your kid in your husband. Sound like they don't have a weight issue right so again would be kind of like if you had two broken. Broken legs and you had to professional runners in the house and you're like. Oh, I got to be out there running with them because they're runners and they're running and I wanna be able to participate, but you've got two broken legs. You're not GONNA do that. You know what I mean so like it's. It's seeing this through a slightly different Lens. I can love family. I can sit down and eat dinner with my family, but what I choose to put on. My plate needs to support me and. and My goals, your beautiful stage of life where what Mama wants to make any mama can make any you know what I mean like. There's no there's no handcuffs on you that says you have to do things a certain way, and if it's a concern about being left out, if you're sitting at the table and socializing with them, and you're eating a grilled chicken, breast, sweet potato, and some Broccoli and they're having a really rich indulgent meal. What goes in one person's body versus another is very personal. That's basic boundary. But if you feel this weird sense of I've got to eat exactly what they're eating all of the time. That's GONNA be really self sabotaging. So, what are your thoughts now that I through that you that way? Yeah no that makes perfect sense, and they also know I mean there I. Know In my head, but they don't care what I eat. You know that that's not an issue for them. It's more yeah it's more. My Own sort of wanting to. Not Draw attention and not make other people. Suffer quote because of my issues and what I share with. Here's how this could look, and this is what I would do I. Would I would sit down with my husband and my daughter and I would say I love you guys. I love spending time with you guys I love the fact that you know talking to your daughter. You're cooking and you're doing such a great job. I'm actually going to bequeath that responsibility to you. Guys, you guys go ahead and just let me know what you need from the store. Make up a week of meal plans for yourselves. Make the food. You guys enjoy eating I. DON'T WANNA stand in the way of that I'll pick up groceries for you, but it'll be. Be Up to you guys to prepare. Make it I'm going to be making some foods that support me and my goals. I really want to make some forward progress on things that are important to me. I will be sitting down with you at the table. Eating I want to be an active part in the in the eating experience, but ultimately I have to do things that are going to serve me and my body just like if you got a notification from the doctor that you're pre diabetic, or you have high blood pressure, you may have to alter your diet in order to help with those medical conditions. You see what I mean. Yeah so this is your preemptive approach at fixing it now. How does that feel if you were to give them the freedom to do that? No that I need to have that conversation. That's when I've been. Pretty Nice, but yeah I need to have the conversation that I. Want them to know that. Sometimes, it's different. For me and I need them to support that absolutely, and and how they support, it is by by really just taking care of themselves, right? You're again. You're at this beautiful season of life which one day I know. I will be there, but right now I'm not like I'm working out meals for three boys and a husband every single day, breakfast and dinner and one day I will be in your shoes and trust me. Mama Says Hey, this is my dinner. You guys free. That to a certain extent, but I'm not in that season of life. And I accept the right, but you are, and so on the live vicariously through you and what we're GONNA do is we're GONNA? Have you say to them in a very loving way, right? You're not angry. You're not bitter. You're not resentful. They have. They have different bodies than you. Do they ear bodies process this stuff. than. You do everyone comes into the world with a struggle like I'm imagining there must be something. Your husband struggles with from time to time whether it's something in the business, or possibly he can be forgetful or maybe give you a little bit too much of a perfectionist with certain things right like he has his own set of issues and struggles. Your daughter has her own. Own set of issues and struggles whether she shares with you or not, she does we all do, and this just happens to be yours. The only problem those of us who struggle with weight have versus a lot of other people as ours is very visible, people can see we struggle with weight, but there are internal struggles. Weather could be gambling alcohol drugs, other kinds of of. Of issues that might interfere with being successful in business or successful in life that people need to work their way through, and what is a big acceptance factor to say you know this is my struggle, but the cool thing is, it's manageable. If you tomorrow found out that you had some kind of life, altering illness or situation might not be right like there might not be. Be a good prognosis, but this is something you can totally fix and it's something you can take charge of and truly in the grand scheme of things it's not. It's not going to shatter anyone's world. If you're sitting there. Eating roasted chicken and sweet potatoes and Broccoli and they're having something in butter sauce. It's not the end of the world. You see what I mean. Yeah okay, so number one win. Can we have a positive conversation with your daughter and your husband? Probably Day, okay, and when is the next grocery shopping trip? I usually stop every Days so we do plan meals. You know for three or four days but I I shop every couple of days. Okay and here's the other benefit. You actually will get to pick food. You want to eat and not have to consider if anyone else likes it. So for example I love protein pancakes there some days I e protein pancakes for breakfast, lunch and dinner, but I think to myself I. Don't know if my kids and my husband with lengthy so I'll make this instead right? Is that mom compromise rate is like well. That's maybe what I would like to. But maybe that's not what the whole family would like to. This puts you in a position that literally every. Every meal of every day can be what you want it to be. So if you love Yogurt, you could have yogurt, breakfast, lunch and dinner every day. You know what I mean like whatever the foods are you like? You can start to focus on that so by having this conversation, and this is where the boundaries come in. Have you heard me talk about boundaries before? Yeah, okay, so it's where they begin and end and where you begin and end and this is. This is kind of a simple way to approach one I love. You guys really so much. Really would love some support on something that I'm currently working on I know how caring you are and how much you love me. I am going to be doing things a little bit differently with the grocery shopping in the meal planning, so I WANNA make sure you're aware of it. I am going to be just planning my own meals and making sure that I have all the groceries for those things. If you don't want to eat, would I'm going I would encourage the two of you to brainstorm. Come up with a list of meals that you guys like. Hand me a list of groceries I'll pick them up for you if I. Don't get that from you. By the time I go to the grocery store I'll just buy enough of whatever I'm making for myself, and I will make sure that you guys have enough, so you can have some servings of it, too. So what you're giving them as an option, you either can eat. WHAT MOM is eating? which may not be what they prefer, or you can take it upon yourself to make some plans and make up a grocery list and handed to me and you guys can cook in prepare your own food. Does that seem reasonable? Yeah absolutely and and when I post. They always I mean. I was like what I what I prepare! It's usually it's the other way around that I struggled so I'll have to. Make it clear that I'm going to eat. What I need to eat. Even if somebody else cooks for me. Yes, and that's the thing, but by having this conversation. You're telling them. Don't Cook for me so so on the flip side of that without actually saying it quite that bluntly, what you're saying is an pleased when you guys. Put your list together. Just put enough ingredients for the two of you. I'm really prioritizing my health and I'm trying to work on this personal goal of mine and I am not. Not going to want to take any chances eating foods that might not work in that direction. Your food's delicious. Don't get me wrong, but it may not be helpful for me. Getting to my goals, so please only plan on the two of you, and if you guys are GonNa, want leftovers for yourself, but see by doing this proactively. When you go to sit down, you'll realize already talked to them about this. They already know that on. Yeah Right. It's not like some kind of secret. Exactly. You've had this conversation with them right and what you do is you plan your meals? You Cook for yourself three days. Maybe you make one castle that you know you like, and you just divvy it out portions, but if you don't get the list from them whatever you're planning on making for yourself by enough so that way when you make it, they have food to eat right, but if they don't want that food, and it might take a few rounds of that. They might be like a like mom and all, but this isn't my favorite I'd rather have this than they'll take it upon themselves to start taking action. All right then let's talk about the eating out situation you said you guys don't really eat out that much. Is it about once per week? A couple times a month probably is all it is, but when it is, it's easily like someplace that there's not a lot of options for. What I'm trying to do so and oftentimes we like our favorite restaurant to go to this place that has like shared. Place you know like they're small plates and so everyone shares. Everything. An in those environments. How are you mentally processing it? Is it I'm going to be very restrictive. Barely anything in eat when I get home, or is it well? Heck I can't manage this I'm starving so thus I'm just gonna eat everything and not track today. I usually just focus on the portion like I are small plates. I mean like at this one restaurant. We go to a lot of small plates anyway and to others have a couple bites. Each things were maybe order for five things on small plates, and then I just think about my coercion and I usually try and find like at least one thing on there. That seems healthy. But I know going to a restaurant you. Taking your chances about what it's cooked in, and all that kind of stuff, yeah, on those nights, and like I said it's only eight usually a couple times a month of this all this focus on portion, and do my best and check it. So since you said happens a couple times a month. That means you skip some weeks where you guys don't go out so what I want you to do is if a week goes by, and you don't go out to eat. I want you to pick a random day the following week where you put all of your weekly points to helping curb that eating out experience so so basically instead of being surprised that you're. You're eating out that week I want you to be I took a guest that we probably would be and now I am baby. Put All those extra points on Thursday night, and maybe we're eating out Friday nights. I'm just GONNA move those two Friday night, but if you have a week, you skip, you guys don't eat out at all. I want you in the next week to take your weeklies and put. Put them on that one day that you guess you probably would eat out or close to it. Okay and I want to do is give yourself permission to enjoy it because in really in all honesty, the couple of times you eat out in a month is not why you are not going to make progress with your weight loss goals. If you do what we're talking about it home, and let's just say you. You know out of a collective thirty days of eating dinner to those or even three of those or eating out, and you actually do what I'm suggesting and kind of bookmark your extra weekly points for that day and every other of the twenty seven days. Are you eating at home? Your own food that your meal planning that you know works within your points. You'RE GONNA. Lose weight. You see what I mean, yeah. Okay, but right now it sounds like it's been happening. Is You're eating foods that really don't work within your points that you're Kinda guessing at, and you're doing this thing where you're trying to appease your daughter in your husband versus taking care of yourself. Yeah exactly exactly and again. They would probably want me to take care of myself, but I. It's my own. Gills and not wanting to make waves and. You know garage pension to everything and think of it this way to it. Let's just pretend first second, and this is how you know you've got to do it. Let's just pretend for a second. You got type two diabetes. You go see your doctor says Dude Your weight duty. You're eating. You've got type two diabetes. What is a big inconvenience to your family? The fact that you're having to monitor your blood sugar constantly that you're having to give yourself injections that you're having to take expensive medication that you're having to then definitely eat specific foods at specific times, or would it be better to prevent all of that taking ownership in action now with what you can control. Yeah and I mean I I don't have diabetes but I I have a knee issue that I need to get the weight off to make it. So, they don't have time surgery on as soon as I. It's you know. 'cause I, it hurts all the time so I don't have any cartilage in my knee so so yeah, the wait is is an issue in terms of me, participating in other parts of our life and you know hiking walks in travel and all of that, and when you position this to them, start with that. Hey, guys, you know. Know I've got this thing going on and I really WANNA be more physically active with you I know that possibly having surgery at some point is going to be a requirement to fix this and I want it to be as quick of recovery, and so that way I'm in a place where you guys can help me get around and do the things. I need to do wind recovering because of that I've Made A. A decision I'M GONNA take more ownership of my eating and I would absolutely love it if you guys would be supportive like you always are kind of beyond my team with this and what that would mean for me. Is you both either to eat what I'm eating I'm buying extra food and preparing what I'm eating or I'm giving over to you. Guys total control over what you're going to eat and Cook and prepare. Prepare just me your grocery list by the time I go. If you want me to pick special stuff up for you, and no one's going to say what you want to have a better quality of life. You want to make it to where we have less to do when you're laid up after surgery and have quicker recovery. You Selfish woman. They're not GONNA do that. This all exists within your head because you. Yeah. You've not had this conversation with them yet. I know you haven't. Yeah No, I know I know. It's in my head and I know that they don't care in that. They would do support anything so there. You know they don't care what I eat and. Then they not. It's not going to interfere with our relationship if I make choices. And you can still make mealtime a priority like if that's your family's time to connect I don't want you to opt out at dinner I. Just want you to change. What's on the plate dinner? You see what I mean. That's the only thing and that's what's interesting. I get asked this all the time. People were like but family dinners are supposed to be who says what family dinners are supposed to be like. Is the family at the table check? We're having family dinner I. I don't care what is on each person's respective plate. The family dinner means we're all showing up at dinner and we're all sitting down together. The thing that you put on your plate should be what makes you happy with makes you feel good. What helps you with your goals? And they should be eating food. They enjoy and it doesn't mean that we can't. All community be enjoying our meals at the same time and call it family dinner. You know what I mean Yeah Yeah. Definitely, so let's recap one. We're going to have the conversation with the Hubby and the daughter. We're going to be conveying few very important pieces of information. One is your why you're doing this. Because you want to be more active you and have a quicker recovery from surgery, because if you have no cartilage in your knee, that's an inevitable road. You're going down there and you also make it easier because they're probably going to have to help you kind of get around a little bit and I so you WanNa make that whole process easier. You're GonNa then ask them for support and to. To be on your team. People love helping those they love so if they feel like there's something they can do to make this a little bit better for you and be in some way an active participant. They will get behind you once you do that, then we lay out the parameters of what we're saying. What we're saying is I am going to be cooking. My own food that works for me and I will make sure that I can make enough for you if that's what you want to eat. However you have different tastes than I do, and that's cool, so I am going. Going to relinquish your meals to you guys. You can be the ones that Cook and plan and I will even pick up your groceries when I go to the grocery store for myself. Just prepare a list for me and get it to me by such and such time timeframe in the week. If I don't get one I'll just assume you want to eat my food and all by extra. Okay, and then the third thing that we talked about once. We've set this up. Is that you're going to be assuming that after you have a week of no eating out the following week, we'll. We'll have a day of eating out and then what we WANNA. Do is take your extra weekly points and put them all to one day almost like. Go ahead in your food log. Pick a random day I. don't care what it is. Thursday Friday and take whatever your daily points are. Whatever your weekly points are. Put something in there to lock that down and then eat. The rest of the week is if you don't have them, okay. Okay, all feel doable. Yeah, definitely can awesome was helpful for you today at Yes, absolutely. It's funny how our mind messes with us, isn't it? Yeah Yeah. We tell ourselves all kinds of stories. Oh, yeah! 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65 - Cutting the Cheese With Miyoko Schinner

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65 - Cutting the Cheese With Miyoko Schinner

"I'm not just a CEO of a company making products to sell. I'm here to change the food industry here to create a world. That's based on not only sustainability but compassion for all living beings. We'll hello there everyone. We are so so pumped to welcome you to this. Switch for good podcast. I am Olympic silver medalist and switched for good nonprofit founder. Doc- Bausch and I am Alexandra. Paul a certified health coach in a longtime actress years ago. My life was radically transformed when I made the switch for good away from eating animals. Animal based products. My athletic performance was greatly enhanced. Much to my surprise actually by the power plant based eating dropping all animal products from my life has finally aligned my values with my diet and now I feel more balanced and more at peace with food and with my body Alexandra and I started this podcast with you in mind. We are here to take you on a transformative journey to learn the power of eating plants and help you redevelop a healthy relationship with food and a more whole relationship with yourself. Each week we bring you. Doctors Dietitians psychologists athletes and other interesting guests who have deep rich information inspiration to share. We welcome you every week. Join US on the journey to switch for good. This is the future. Hello and welcome to the switch for good podcast. I'm Alexandra Paul and I'm here with my co host DOT C. Bausch good afternoon high gutsy so listen. This episode is about cheese and IT. Is You know a lot about cheese. So s knows a lot more than true. So I'd like you to talk to a little bit to our audience about cheese. Yes I'M GONNA I'M GONNA START US out here with some facts. All right for the fact lovers out out there. Which is you always trying to please you make you happy so I wanNA kind of set up the problem here in specifically to the dealer effects of dairy now we know cheeses the most concentrated form of cow's milk so but under cow's milk right we have we have yogurt and obviously milk and we have cottage cheese and we have butter and we have cheese We have ice cream. Don't and we have ice cream. I did forget ice cream So our our guest is in my opinion in yours too. I think the solution to this problem. So I'm GonNa just give some scientific facts based on research all of which you can find Under switch for good dot org and clicking on why ditch dairy to understand many go through four reasons and then I'm going to introduce our guest and we're going to dive in because the solution is pretty awesome. All right so first off when start with cardiovascular health and inflammation years of research has told us that consuming foods high in saturated fats like dairy products can be detrimental to our cardiovascular health. Most recently twenty eighteen study published in laboratory investigation. Not only found changes in size and shape of red blood cells. Just one hour. After consuming a high fat milk shake but also changed in our immune cell function setting the stage for inflammation plaque formation and ultimately heart disease. Which as we know is our number one killer here in the United States in regards to vary in cancer research links. Cow's milk dairy to increased risk of ovarian cancer in a study examining the incidence rates of ovarian cancer in forty countries across five continents. Researchers found that they were most closely correlated with cow's milk intake the research to suggest that women who drank just one or more glasses of whole cow's milk per day and remember the dietary guidelines. Tell US tells us to drink three per day but the women who drank just one or more glasses of cows per day were three times greater. Risk f-r-o-t-h varian cancer next asthma. This one is you know very confusing for people I think they. They don't necessarily know how to to connect it so there are two Intolerances to dairy one is a lactose intolerance right in the other. One is a full-blown dairy allergy. Which is you know. has all sorts of side effects. Which is much more rare but the intolerant grunts What sixty five. Percents percent of the world's population correct right and much higher has intolerance. He bore color. Yeah so cow's milk and other dairy products including cheese have been shown to increased mucus production in the body which is a hallmark symptom of asthma. Now researchers hypothesized that increased intestinal permeability which has been associated with strenuous. Exercise so for athletes allows the casing protein to leak through the gut and therefore stimulate excess. Moot mucus production and lastly bone density. Right what all women are Co Well Caucasian women because we know from Dr Milton Mills That African American women do not get osteoporosis. So all of us Caucasian women are an and women have other colors are very concerned about us. Gop Osteoporosis and having healthy strong bones we know. Calcium is an element to that but not the calcium found in cow's milk so as we are all fooled by the advertising. Bits making us believe that Most advertisements claim that cow's milk helps to strengthen bones. That's what we kind of grew up with learning but the research tells a different story in two thousand eighteen a Meta analysis involving over two hundred and fifty male and female subjects found no link between drinking cow's milk and a reduced risk of bone fractures in fact according to a study published in the British Medical Journal. Those getting the recommended three plus glasses per day had a whopping sixty percent greater rate of hip fracture. Okay so why is that? Is that now? I've heard that it's because of the acidity of the milk actually counteracts the benefits of the calcium when it comes to bones. Is that correct? So they don't actually know. I've talked to multiple scientists about this and the two molecules that they think are most are mostly the culprit are the sugar molecules. Dairy DIGA lactose and any five G. C They think that that's what's contributing to to the bright law. The breakdown of our bones to calcium is building it up but we also get calcium in sesame seeds and almonds and dark leafy Greens and all sorts of wonderful plant foods without the sugar molecules. That are breaking down bone structures fun fact on personal factors that When I was a vegetarian and I did do way in my protein powder I had. This would Dr- drink this K- seen protein powder and I loved it because it got off fluffy and made it seem like it was It filled me up a lot but it made me feel so bad afterwards and actually talked to my sister and she had the same effect. And when I talked to my nutritionist back. Then this is twenty. Years ago she said casing you should avoid casing. Define bad were you. Would you be credible voting? No I felt Sick kind of slightly sick like this. Yeah wasn't clear gloating didn't have anything to do with my intestines had to do with my whole body. Inflammatory snored it because I like the taste of it and thought I was doing a good job of getting protein. In but then my nutritionist told me to get off it because it was actually more linked to cancer and things like that not good things. So there are many many reasons to avoid Animal products and and since we are going to focus on cheese. Cheese is the most concentrated form. It's seventy percents. Cow's milk cheese seventy percent fat and has more salt per than a bag of potato chips amazing sodium and they think well let let's go to our guests and then we can talk more about how addictive cheeses and okay. Well I feel like our next guest here really needs no introduction as David letterman would say and maybe some of you have guessed but we are really excited to welcome the Vegan. She's Queen Herself Miyoko. Sioner to the PODCAST. She's an industry. Pioneer truly an incredibly successful businesswoman woman. But her work is doing far more than enhancing our VEGAN CHEESE PLATES. But we are so glad she's doing she cofounded a farm animal sanctuary and recently launched into a project to aid the transition of dairy farms to more sustainable businesses. Her resume includes cookbooks and restaurants the corporate world and even prior attempted Vegan food manufacturing which will probably get into. But we're really all. I know glad that she landed on cheese. Because it's honestly the gateway cheese I give to every single Derry Guzzler on the planet to lure them in. We have so much to talk about so welcome. Yoko High Dot c Alexander. Thanks for having me on this show yet here. We are excited. We wanted to have you on for a long time and I have a quick little. Miyoko story Everyone knows you as as being an incredibly strong and powerful businesswoman. But I don't think they maybe not. Everyone knows how strong you are in all aspects. I got to spend some time with miracle in her team Last year the CAMPOBELLO bicycling events Mayo Cohen Email. I even got to cook on stage together. We had a blast but the bicycling part of it was they had fifty mile ride eighty mile ride hundred mile ride and so I go with my husband and we ended up renting bikes. We didn't WANNA fly with them and we get the bikes and we do the ride. And I am literally convection and complaining from Mile One because Princess and the PEA here like a saddle was just not quite right and then like the before and after was off and then the people I was riding with I didn't like and it was a little cold and it kind of started to rain and I just complaining where the cheering crowds going. Usa USA exactly there were. That's the bad. That's the problem their resume. There are no fans right shore so I pull in and My husband was like. You're you're grumpy. I'm GONNA spend some time away from you now and Anyway I look over and Mioko his comeback from. I think you did forty five miles. Is that right? No thirty thirty five. I can't remember around their regular shorts and tennis shoes vans slip on van so flat like not clipped into the pedal on a bike. She's obviously never written before happy as a camper tweeting bird. Just that was amazing. That felt so good. She's like thirty thirty five miles with flat shoes on so there you have it. Wow what did you? Yeah and just tough cookie and just such an incredible positive attitude so I turn my attitude around really fast after that and my husband started talking. Wow thank you well dot C. You're the inspiration so you know strive for more like you so some yoga. We were talking about cheese earlier and you created a line of Vegan cheeses. But you loved. You grew up eating dairy cheese and you loved it. So why didn't you go there and just make regular cheese instead of make the cheesy loved? Yeah creating this amazing line of food that is now really changed the vegan world. But how could I was Vegan so if I've Vegan I can't make dairy cheese? It was definitely something that was hard for me to give up. When I transitioned to the about thirty five years ago it was the hardest for me to give up. Everything else is kind of easy but giving up cheese on my gosh going to a party and having to ignore the the beautiful European style cheeses or or pizza parlor and not being able to eat. Pizza was really really hard So out is why I started the cheese company. I felt like we needed to tackle. There's a serious cheese crisis in this country. If you think about the average American eats over forty pounds of cheese a year compare that to the turn of the twentieth century when the average American about four pounds of cheesy year. So it's really really frightening amount of cheese for eating Today versus over one hundred years ago and what that's happening how. That's impacting our bodies and our planet. So you so. You decided to go into the vegan cheese business because of the health of Americans because you saw a need for people who didn't want to eat cruelty but couldn't and were addicted to their to their derek cheese. What what was the motivation? Yeah I think you know for me. My life has been always around producing beautiful Food that's Vegan to help convert people from A conventional dia to a more sustainable compassionate lifestyle and I've done that for the last thirty five years cheese by think the whole is the holy grail. It's the last hurdle is the thing that everyone says. I would go vegan but for the cheese. I just can't give up cheese and the other thing that's really frightening about cheese. Is that most people think it's rather benign I was sitting in on a focus group. One time and people were talking about how guilty they felt when they ate meat Because you know you're actually killing the animal but she's is better because they come from happy cows and no ch cows or harmed in the process of making cheese and I think what the majority of people don't realize is that the cheese industry is exactly the same as the meat industry if you think about it From the very very beginning what happens to all? The male calves male calves stone will never produce milk and so they're slaughtered either at birth or they're raised into the veal industry. Veal industry exists because They're sort of like the extras the unwanted extras of the byproduct of the dairy industry. And then what happens to the female cows after? They've given milk for four to six years in their milk. Production declines is that they also Get turned into hamburger so basically milk is Basically a gateway into the meat industry is the same thing. Milk dairy cows and up as me cows in the and so it's A. It's a complete myth that that American that we all believe you know. There's a lot of myths about that. We believe we think that cows are these magical creatures that just give milky around without having to ever be impregnated. There's so much that we take for that. We assume about milk. That's simply wrong. And when you really do a deep dive into it and realize the detrimental effects of of the entire Animal a dairy processing on not only our bodies but the environment And everything else. You know down to the school. Lunch program is really really shocking. It's probably the worst industry that exists. We had on that one. Yeah we had Howard Lyman on the cattle rancher. Yes he said he felt. Dairy was far more cruel than the cattle rancher. Because as you said they get killed at the end like the beef cattle but they also endure five years of hell and be dead at nine months right and so many of the doctors have also said. If you're going to give up something I give up dairy right from a health perspective from breathing perspective from a bone perspective. We've had so many yes right. Yeah Yeah do you rely on your sorry go ahead. No I was just GonNa say my own journey. A transition to veganism was because I had all those health issues. That was certainly one of them to talk to us about that you. I became a vegetarian when you were about twelve. What was the? What was the inspiration for that? Well you know I think it a young mind at at some point. There's an opportunity to make a connection between the pork chop and a pig and lucky for me. I was able to make that connection because of some friends And going on a camping trip with them when I was twelve years old and I never looked back. I mean literally overnight. I stopped eating meat and I never thought about it again Did they tell you did? Did you not know that a pork chop was a pig? Or what was it that they did but I just didn't. Somehow I didn't understand at this really you know I. It was so long ago it was fifty years ago so I don't remember all that well but I just remember coming home and looking at those pork chops in pushing the plate away and saying I can't eat this anymore And it seized meet cease to look like food to me After that day I never looked back and then you became. You became Vegan though at some point was that also because of an ethical reason. Yeah so in my mid twenties before I knew to pronounce the word Vegan But in my mid twenty s in the mid eighties or so I think I read an article in. I think it was vegetarian times. It was so long ago it was pre internet. There wasn't a lot of information out there but there was some article out there somewhere about dairy at its environmental impacts and I think I was appalled by getting a glimpse into that I just decided you know what? Why just be a half ASS VEGETARIAN? Why not go all the way but it was a slow transition for me. I mean I I cut out ninety nine percent of the dairy but once in a while I cheat in that took a few years for I stopped cheating. And what was your? He's got it was pizza. And I think bree the Yes yes yes. Yes no doubt on that. So you use. Do you remember a story or when you very first started to sit your own kitchen and you've always been a phenomenal chef? You've always loved food and making delicious beautiful food like you said is especially obviously Vegan food that very first time that you made a homemade cheese and someone tried it. Who was not dairy free? Yes you tell us that story. I do remember that so once you know I I hate to blame my husband in public but and I can blame him in credit him at the same time. Because he's the rea the reason I really dealt into the topic of cheese So we had a Vegan household and one day he just said I'm sick and tired of of not having cheese and he started buying cheese dairy cheese this is. I don't know maybe ten like a dozen years ago fifteen years ago. Something like that. And he's a lawyer and ICED ENTERTAIN. A lot of for his lawyer friends and things and his clients and so we'd have these big parties and I would make these beautiful Vegan appetizers and little canopies and things and he just said. I'm buying cheese that Pete might my guess. Expect to have fine European cheeses or whatever and so he'd go out and buy all this fancy cheese and put the cheese board together and I just got one. The first year did that. I was just appalled so the second year I was determined to start working on cheese. I started playing around with making some very simple cheeses. What I was doing was making. There's a way of making cheese from yogurt and I learned that making dairy yogurt. When I was a vegetarian see make a really thick yogurt. And then you strain at through. Cheesecloth let it drip for about twenty four hours into a kitchen sink in. You have tied up in cheesecloth like that and then it becomes really really firm then you can flavored with herbs and things like that to make a cheese so I did that. That was my first and I did something with lemon zest or something. I put it out there amidst all as other artisan cheeses that he'd picked up from local creameries yogurt. I mean. We should Vegan Vegan yogurt that I had made it was home made in Europe making no from from soya. Cashews and I've been making now for a while so I did that and I put it out there at the end of the evening. One of his clients are lawyers. Came up to me. Ma'am what an amazing she's bored. You guys serve. I love the one with a lemon zest. Which creamery was that from and I was like. I'm so that goes creamery was bored and so I was just determined to just experiment and my kitchen turned into this virtual laboratory and I had all these projects all these cheeses and different stages of fermentation. I took some traditional cheese making classes of the local community college and I was the only student who didn't taste anything. I just wanted to know how it was done So they were like. I can't believe is a Vegan and here but it was funny. I mean I I wouldn't near like are you sure you don't WanNa taste this. I'm like absolutely sure didn't have no interest. I just wanted to know how you know the enzymes in the end. The bacteria worked on on milk And then I tried to apply that science to Things like cash you. Milk and almond mill can learn where the the same science and technology could be applied where it didn't work and where. I had to come up with a new method do things. So just like deep dive into the exploration of dairy science and non dairy science which I was sort of helping to To Trailblazers and I did that for about a couple of years and that culminated in my I in my book artisan Vegan Cheese which came out in two thousand twelve. We tell some of those processes because I get asked all the time Oh wait. You can ferment Vegan cheese. You can age vegan cheese and I always say is yes. I don't know anything else passed that so help us out for when people ask those questions as it turns out. You can pretty much ferment. Anything or age anything so there are so many different plants substrates that we just haven't even explored yet because no one ever thought of doing that before So this is a whole new world. I just got back from from New York just to share a story. And there's this amazing cheese shop that opened up about four years ago called. Riverdell and they had the most beautiful display of gorgeous gorgeous cheeses so there are so many and when you say cheese are we assuming it's Vegan cheese. That's all I ever talk. Okay Okay Yeah. I refuse to use the word cheese alternative or GONNA because it's not an alternative. It's going to become mainstream so you'll say cheese if you're talking about if I'm talking about the alternative say dairy okay. So anyway they have. There's all these little artisan cheesemakers all over the world now and I visited them in Rome and the UK and Buddha Pashto and in New York. There's so many there's these little clusters of Liezl cheesemakers. That are making these Gorgeous Gorgeous. Cheese artisan cheeses. They've just taken it to a whole new level and we I bought brought back a whole bunch of an. We tasted it here with our detain. We were so impressed at the level of the just the quality that you know. It's just come so far since I I wrote my cookbook. And since we launched five years ago so but basically to make cheese to make dairy cheese what you do is you introduce a lactic. Acid culture bacteria into Milk which has protein in it. And it and you also introduced an enzyme that works on the protein so the enzyme works to conceal the protein. And that's where you get Kurds. And Way as they as they say little. Miss Muffins sat on our topic eating or Kurds. In Way. The lactic acid bacteria worked to lower the PH and acidify the milk so it starts out being very sweet. Like milk is because it's high in sugar. The lactic acid bacteria eat the sugar and lower the Ph so that it turns into something. That's like cheese. The Kurds are separated from the way. And then they're pressed and then you know any number of things can happen to it. They can age. They could Brian and they can inoculate it with a mold. Like penicillin broke. Forty or penicillin can diem. All kinds of things can happen. So you can apply the same processes to certain plants substrates. They all act differently For example cashews are very neutral nut. They're not high enough from protein. They're much higher starch. So they don't coagulate like milk does but you can thicken it. Through other. Means such as pressing or air drying or aging et CETERA. Almonds are higher in protein so macadamia nuts on sunflower seeds. They might actually coagulate depending on the enzyme that you use so it. There's similarities and there are differences and every single substrate is different. So you have to figure out. How do you tweet that and what we've done here that I'm very proud of at miyoko? Is that we've commercialized. This technology You know it was one thing if you're making it in a in your in your little laboratory or your kitchen at home or even a small production facility but to be able to go from making forty pounds a day to making twenty thousand pounds. A day is a huge undertaking and requires a capital expenditures huge pieces of equipment figuring out. How do you could construct these lines? How do you maintain the integrity of the product? When we first moved to this built this thirty Thousand Square Foot facility in started producing all of our cheeses. Were coming out like soup. They just never set up. And we didn't know what was going on and took a team of food scientists and engineers in need to figure out what the issue was with the equipment that was causing a failure in the product. And so as the cheese revolution takes place and we go from dairy products to plant based substrates. There's going to be new books that are GonNa have to be written on the food. Science of Fermenting plants aging plants. And all of that. So we're in an all you know. This is a brave new world that we are entering that I feel very proud. That mioko is spearheading. That were at the the head there and emblazoning this new trail. And they're all these amazing individual cheesemakers out are also out there discovering the science and the trick is going to be scaling down science and making it commercial so I I hope I answered requested task. That was that was really long after you introduce The bacteria does are. I'm sure all the cheeses. What's the longest he wants to make her own cheeses and find out? How did this come out to have two? Or but typically whether it's dairy milk or plant based milks is somewhere between twelve and twenty four hours. Okay all right so from tation. Pureed is not that long it. It's it's time and temperature depends on the type of bacteria different. Bacteria thrive at different temperatures. So there could be a bacteria that thrives at Fifty five degrees. Some wool thrive at one hundred and ten degrees So Avenue in an different bacteria produce different flavor profiles so Some will produce a buttery. Note some will produce more of a sharp pungent note so different bacteria can be utilized to different result and then after that there's other processes that take place in the aging of cheese. If you ate your cheese summer fresh summer aged can be anywhere from you know a week to six weeks or longer so it all depends on the size the shape et Cetera. But we are aging room is was built by a French aging room company. So it's built just like a traditional She's a deary cheese aging room. And so I know all of your cheeses and a lot of our listeners. Might which one's age longest We have so not all of them age. The ones that are age like are aged. English smoked farmhouse aged English. A sharp farmhouse Herbs are prevents black cash. We're also working on an amazing Parmesan. That'll be age for several months. So I'm really excited about what about what about your your Favorite dairy cheese the bree hat. How is So I I made breathe very first few months that we were in business back in two thousand fourteen in the fourth quarter of twenty fourteen when we started. And you know the so the problem with Brie and we hope to do it again someday. Is that the mole. Gets it permeates. The air gets on everything else. So everything ended up being bree even things that weren't supposed to be briefed as we didn't have separate quarters to Asia or to ripen it so it's one of those things. We hope to reintroduce Next year with a different a different route you have to separate it into a different separated. Yeah we have to have a different area of the facility so working on that. We're working on a great wrote for two but what's coming out in. April is a very multiple grilled cheese style cheese. And that's what you guys took to New York City last week and you sold almost not sold you gave away because you did on social media and there was a line of three hundred people when you guys showed up. Almost four hundred grilled cheese sandwiches in like an hour right. That's exactly right. We had We gave four hundred girl cheese sandwich giveaway at a place called the melt shop which is a chain of grilled cheese sandwich restaurants on the east coast. And we're launching We call her everyday product line. So we have a pepper Jack in a Cheddar. We have those in slices shreds and then blocks or called chunks and it's launching and fed that they're launching in February At whole foods and some other stores nationwide and we wanted to show How they performed in grow cheese sandwich so we were going to be doing a series of pop ups throughout the country. And we've got a grilled cheese nation food truck that's going to be going on tour starting march starting in La at Expo West right So we're really excited about that. It'll be visiting your city so be sure to find out where you can come in. Try it it was just amazing. People were just blown away. I mean there's Orla modest licenses shreds on the market but ours is still cultured and the exciting thing. Is that what we're doing is right now? Oliver Cheeses have made out of cashews. These cheeses are made out of lagoons and oats. So we're taking whole foods and were fermenting making a base out of those milk and there were fermenting that And then and then turning it into cheese so they actually have protein and calcium about ten percent of your daily need of need for calcium says a good source of AD. It also has protein So we're super stoked Lower in saturated fat lower in calories and it melts incredibly both of them so anyway. I'm just so excited I can't wait to get the girl cheesy. Did you get a chance to go? I've just I've just got your marketing director. Neil tell me all about it for the last three weeks and I have not had a single byte expo west next x lowest. Is My city like yeah okay? Great so you're going to be having it next work an audience of track your the truck go to our website neo coz Dot Com M. I Y. O. K. O. S. DOT COM We haven't announced food truck tour yet will be launching it very very shortly. It starts MARCH SECOND OR MARCH THIRD IN LA excellent excellent. So you're talking about all these amazing cheeses and you have actually. I have a cream cheese story at Christmas. My goddaughter spent Christmas with us and three of her friends. So these are all women in their twenties and basically twenties in thirty and we as I was doing the shopping when we had brunch. They had to have mioko screen cheese. They couldn't have the other kind. The dairy kind and they loved it loved it loved. It loved it. And they're all women of color so they all had some form of Dare lactose intolerance really never had the vegan cream cheese and they still dabble in dairy because they haven't probably because they haven't been exposed enough to me. Okay Anyway. It was just a huge hit. I mean they. They loved it not not in terms of compared to the dairy kind but just because it tasted so good on its own so great no. That's so important. I mean that is our goal at Miyoko. With every product we make we want the not only the flavor but the truth functionality of the dairy counterpart so our cream cheese makes killer New York style cheesecake. For example. Now you can make a butterfield prostate. You make me on because there's only there's only like three or four ingredients are cashews. Coconut cream coconut oil Cultures in salt. That's all it is very very clean label And all of our goal is to produce a plant we wanna make cheese and butter out of plants out of whole plant ingredients minimise the the the processing agents etc we want to deliver clean label clean ingredients Whole foods plant based products Just applying this age old technology of cheese making with some modern food science and just change the format of plants into what looks like an animal. Dairy product exactly. is speaking of butter in twenty eighteen. You were sued for sort of stealing dairies. Halo because you label your butter as well butter right. So you're you're an activist through and through but this This this suit Obviously you are misleading customers What was the outcome will? And and and what has happened since then and has there. Been any pressure in terms of How you label your teeth yes. So it's it's so interesting. So first of all had a very great outcome. The suit was dismissed It was or there was a very amicable into that suit. Attack that Suited all of us both parties so that was a very interesting unexpected outcome but the suit was that was the New York. That was a lawsuit that would a class action lawsuit but it goes on then. There was the state of Wisconsin that started pulling butter off the shelves. of stores saying that they couldn't sell butter anymore because we It was misleading consumers. And it turned out that there were two complaints when we file for. Okay so who are these people? Complaining there were two one was the dairy industry and the other was milkweed magazine. So that story got picked up by MILKWEED. It's a magazine for the industry. The dairy industry so when that got story got out on Bloomberg They got Wisconsin. The State of Wisconsin Was hit with so many consumer complaints about not being able to find her butter and they just said okay. They threw up their arms. It Okay Fine. You can sell your butter. That's fine. We're just backing off now. There's actually two bills in Congress. I two bills at state legislative level in Wisconsin about restricting language The same thing is happening In California we got a letter from the State of California saying that we couldn't use the term for not only were. We told we couldn't use the term butter that we couldn't have any anything alluding to the dairy industry on our website or marketing materials including a picture of a woman hugging cow on our website. Because we were trying to show that Kawser for hugging not not eating not for milk enough for Asia. So that's very very interesting. I really can't talk much more about California right now. but You know yes. I mean as far as I'm concerned. This is a battle that has to be fought. I'M NOT GONNA lie down because we have to change the food industry and so I'm not just a CEO of a company making products to sell. I'm here to change the food industry. I'm here to create a world. That's based on not only sustainability but compassion for all living beings as critical to me. I have rescued cows at my farm. Animal Sanctuary And I've known individual cows. Some of them are nice. Some of them are not just like people but I love all animals but not just whether I I like an individual animal or not. They all have the right to live life according to their needs to their desires not to be at our. Beck and call to be commodities for us. So I'm fighting for the right of all living beings on this planet and if we want to protect the rights of all living beings on this planet we have to save the planet. And that's on fire to we've got to reverse climate change so this is a battle that has to be has to be one. I'm determined to win this battle. I'm not gonNA give up now you so you're among the Mayo. Industry tried to did SUE WRIGHT JUST JUST MAYO. And the eggs. They're threatened milk the cows milk or spread almond milk industry. That's the argument was that tell me if I'm wrong was that you shouldn't that MIO COZ product shouldn't be called butter. It should be called margarine. They actually didn't say margin. There's another standard of identity for margin. So they wanted to be called something like plant plant based spread or coconut oils spread or something larger and has a different so so the margin people don't want are pissed at you to every I take you not actually because for example up fields which is the maker of of a country crock. I can't believe it's not butter. Land launched their own version of of begin butter or Vegan spread that they call plant butter. They call that plant butter. And then if you think about what's going on in the dairy industry there are companies now. I think it's a organic valley has launched a milk get this. That's called grass milk. Yeah I'm sorry. What the heck is grass mill? Did you take grass and milk that no and so you know the dairy industry saying basically it's from grass fed cows right so fight back and say it's not grass milk. You didn't help the grass like that's so this is what I'm saying. Is that they they. They're complaining about us because they're threatened but the same time they're using their own terminology and then there's company like up fields. They see the writing on the wall. There dairy dairy company also. But they're also making all these plant based products as well so there are many many Dairy dairy companies as well as meet companies that are getting evolve plant based movement that no. They see the writing on the wall. They know where it's going and they're spending money on this and that they're going in that direction so it's really not them so much. That are complaining. It's the farmers is the the ranchers. It's the people that are tied to the land that are in debt over their head to the large dairy processors or egg processors in these are the people that are have the most to lose and these are the people that we want to help because they're basically indentured servants to the dairy industry themselves. Talk to us about. They think they feel threatened by you but actually you want to help them to more sustainable business so we can Yeah so we just launch this initiative to help A dairy farmer convert crops. I mean what what's been going on is that there's dairies been in decline for many years. I'm sure you've spoken about it. And they're these big consolidators that are basically buying all these farmers so in the old days you know you had a farmer a local farmer and the milk went to the Milkman and you the milk was distributed only locally today it's all consolidated these large processors and then they go into these contracts where they have to buy all the equipment. The average dairy farmer owes something like five hundred thousand to a million dollars in debt for equipment in there. Earning thirty thousand dollars a year on average so there is no chance that they're going to be able to pay that debt back. They can't get out of the industry even if they want to. They're committing suicide at an all time. High dairy farms are filing bankruptcy at an all time high not to mention that board and just filed bankruptcy Dean foods the dean foods and back or the two of the biggest and they both bankruptcy so the whole industry is going is under collapsed but the ones that are being hardest hit or these poor dairy farmers said have land and they're gonNA lose their land. They'RE GONNA lose their livelihood. They don't know anything else. Some of them. They've that's all I've ever done their entire lives. And they're in debt over their heads to these large dairy processors so they're targeting us thinking that it's the plant based industry that's causing them to fail but it's not it's really the consolidation of all of these of dairy and Animal Ag And so what we'd like to do is find a dairy farmer So if you're a dairy farmer out there that that is willing to transition to a new industry that wants to stay true to their land and stay on the land we WANNA help you provide you the livelihood help you make that transition to growing crops that can become part of our supply chain may be. It'll be lagoons or oats or maybe some new variety of potato Something like that to become part of our RND in supply chain so we ensure that not only we help you transition But you're gonNA have a livelihood because you're gonNA have a place to sell your products You know unfortunately there's GonNa be a collapse many many farms around the country At the same time there's going to be one point. Two million new jobs built a created in this industry over the next ten years. So let's help you become art of that New Economy that is going to take over the old. So if you are a medium sized dairy farmer in central to northern cow and you're interested in this Email us and we'll put you in touch with me. Oko and yes please do. Yeah we'd love to talk to you really. Are there any other? You're you you are one woman working to convert one or two or three farms are there are there. Any kind of Initiatives on a federal scale or a state scale. Do they see the writing on the wall? And are they trying? Now you're shaking your head. Now I mean I know that there's an opportunity with someone like Senator Cory Booker to get something to redirect some subsidies that are used for sustainability to help fund initiatives. Like this there is a is a California State Assemblyman Ask Cholera that is trying to Do something there to take some of the money. That's allocated for sustainability and redirect it to something like this so there are some legislators that are trying to make progress but I do feel that industry needs to take a lead role in this as well to write on because it's affecting all of us so will work creating is going to be an open source model for others to follow his well We're hoping that other companies that how the the resources follow suit and try to help in their own way. Maybe it's chicken farmers. Well you know I know there's a there's some transitions going onto the chicken industry. Which is all the egg industry which is suffering the same fate the egg and chicken industry They're also like indentured servants and some of them are switching to growing mushrooms etc. So there's a lot of opportunity for people who owned land farmers to transition to other things. There's also transitions That are being made towards almonds or hemp So as well as pea protein piece. Yeah Pulse. Crops are the most little. Yes them right in terms of like what you can use them in from burgers to protein powder to just by themselves to. Yeah okay. And she's s yes. I Love Cheesecake. Or now you'll cheese. I like cheesecake as knows. I love sweet things. A the non sweet soul my mind New York style. Cheesecake is amazing. It's so good no deprivation at all. You don't do sell that I you don't sell. I would've known about if you sober. Now you're GONNA website you can make yourself. It's so good there you go right right right. Sure it's not going to try. Let's actually go from the macro to the personal there. There are a lot of people who you want to become Vegan. And you are an author of many cookbooks. You've you had your own vegan bakery of Vegan restaurant before me. Okay does cheese you actually manufactured other vegan foods. How do you if someone comes up to you and says I want to be Vegan but I just what do I do what I do? I what what is your advice. Oh Gee I mean it really depends on the person but there's so much education out there. I mean there's great podcast like what you're doing switch for good now. There's so many great websites that not only cover recipes but people become the in for different reasons. It could be for health if it's for health and you want to direct them to more of a whole foods plant based website. You know like the like a PC RAM or or you know Dr McDougal. I mean there's there's programs like that but you know maybe they're they're going Vegan because they made a connection with animals and they just want to celebrate The junk food and that that's also a perfectly good entree I'm working on my sixth book. Right now With ten speed random house. They asked me to write a book on which is pretty funny. It's on VEGAN NEAT. How to use all the Vegan meets available today as well as how to make your own. I just think it's funny because I'm the last like I just came up with a recipe for brisket. Because you guys have you guys watch that. Show Marvelous Mrs Mazel. And she's always taking brisket to help her husband. Get a GIG as a comedian. Yeah anyway brisket was lying in the fifties sixties. Yeah I have no idea what brisket is. I've never had it. I Wash Mrs Mazel. I gotta come up with a Vegan brisket. So well okay. This is an interesting point. How do you come up with a brisket when you've never? Did you ever taste risking when you were describing it so i? I don't care if it tastes exactly like I wanted to have the same sort of satisfaction. So you know. I don't think as a Vegan of thirty five years I don't WanNa taste like some of the new substitutes tastes too real for me like I'm so glad impossible exists. It's just not my thing I just don't want to eat impossible But I do like eating Satan for example That that doesn't taste like meat. But it's me T and I'm also served like Really Great Satan that I've made to Meat Eaters and they don't realize they're eating say Tan so because I think there's such a wide range of of you know the meanest in meets as it turns out like some chicken can be really bland and so I can make a Vegan chicken that actually tastes better or has more flavor so if that makes sense so anyway The brisk thing was you know I took listen to people's description of what brisket was I made it out of mushrooms and protein in Week. Luton and It kind of does it people who were meteors that looks just like brisket and then it kind of falls apart like brisket does and and they're like this is delicious. I it may not taste exactly like brisket but they like I would eat this I would make it again. Cilicia so I think that's what people looking for same thing with cheese like we're looking for the same satisfaction that that thing provides which is like fat salt and you know all the things that ultimately if you want to live to one hundred and five you know you. You probably don't want all that stuff but it's such a great food for transitioning or for indulging once in a while you know. I'm not a pierced by any means. I like to eat more of a whole what they call a whole foods plant based Diet generally speaking. But you know what I think. There's always time for indulgence. There's always a time to celebrate with people. We can't be critical of people who you know. We can't I don't know I get a little turned off. Vegans go but it Scott oil in it or it's got salt or whenever let's help people transition? The most important thing is that we're all compassionate and we preach compassion which is which goes not only towards animals but to people. Let's help every body transition to more sustainable diet Right if you're not recovering or repairing from heart disease arteriosclerosis. They can live a little little cheese a little risky. But take your recovering. That's like food becomes your medicine then so you do have to what you eat more seriously. But if you're not a recovering we still need to get you over to the Vegan side. So let's help you with deliciousness like there's nothing wrong with tasty well. I think you're amazing. You're talking about compassion. And you mentioned your animal sanctuary can you? That's just that's a huge responsibility. I don't know if it's a more of a responsibility than owning a company. That has to churn out. Yeah and you opening pounds of cheese day but Tell us about it and what what inspired you to take on yet. Another just important huge venture well. I didn't exactly decide. It was sort of accidentally on purpose. You know we had land and then these goats arrived somebody asked us to take goats. Pigs arrived and then another governor sheep and then it was like my husband is a lawyer goes. We should just start a fi- but once he three because you know the fact of the matter is you have have a succession plan for these animals. If something happens to us you know who is not so easy to rehome Akao. It's just you know it's not like I'll take your cow or your five hundred pound packages doesn't work that way so we put together five. Oh One C. Three today Our sanctuary rancher COMPA CION is staffed by two full time staff people. We have tons of lots and lots of volunteers that on a daily basis. We have visitation and Workdays SCHOOL FIELD TRIPS. Humane education were not just about rescuing farm animals and taking them out of the food system but were about helping people make that connection between amazing lives and personalities. These animals have so that you can make the connection between the food on your play and the life that it came from. You know I want you to think about. What are we eating today but who are you? Are we eating today when you start thinking about how I could have been eating goober the pig that you know flops over when you rub his belly and just with the biggest smile on his face and we want you to start thinking of making those connections by actually connecting with individual animals? They're the best ambassadors possible for Veganism. So good when you spend time with these amazing creatures. It's hard to go home. We have so many people who visit. Who aren't beginning they go. Oh my God. I'm going to go home and think about you. Know they come back and they go. I haven't eaten meat since I came to your farm. So it's really It's really really powerful thing. We let the animals speak for themselves. They want to connect with us. It's just so amazing. The connection they they make with us. They're not off on their own like when people are there. They're all right there with the people wanting to relate share their lives with with us. They're just amazing. I can't I can tell you store I can tell you. Animal Stories all day on real life meet DOT which is nothing more powerful. Do you have a favorite cow story that you can share with us since we are so? Unfortunately Eric is no longer with us. By like to share story by Erica. She was one of the greatest ambassadors of all time. Erica was a dairy cow. That was going to be put down. Because she was arth riddick and couldn't stand. Obviously if you can't stand you can't give milk so she was rescued somehow and she came to us and when I agreed to take her I thought what am I thinking. I don't know how to take care of an arthritic dairy cow I have limited inexperience with ant with animals With farm animals so she arrived. She came out of the trailer. And I think there's like when animals get there. They immediately know. This is not a traditional farm where they're going to be you know the trailer is GonNa come in home away at point. They know that this is a different places. This is their forever home. There's something in the energy of of R rant of rancher compassion so when she saw the green acres she ran off that trailer is she ever stopped running for two years until she passed away unfortunately and she became at first he was afraid of people and the next thing you knew she was just sneak up upon you for a hug or kiss and she became the most loving creature and she was she knew exactly what she needed to communicate to people when they came so she became an a great ambassador so she had arthritis but she discovered the most This draw vive this reason to the joy of living and she spent the last two years of her life exploring far and wide as far as her legs could carry her. She rarely sat down She's like I'm going to enjoy every last minute of that. I have before anyway. Her legs gave in one day and she broke her leg and she died. Unfortunately it was. It was very sad in the end. We ALL MR. But she was on. We have this picture of her literally. Running down a hill a steep hill to come in. Greet US And we put up this. We put it up on social media saying something like All What is it? All living beings have a right to happiness or something And that's really you know it's not just all humans but all all living beings have the right to let to to live to to be joyous. Yeah so what? What what motivates you each morning when you wake up? Oh changing the world. I mean I. I feel so grateful that I had been given this opportunity to do this. To be at the helm of this revolution along with so many other leaders in the industry in Activism Olympians that are changing the world. I mean we are all. We're changing the food system. This is the first time we've had the opportunity to do that. Twelve thousand years since the advent of agriculture. This is going to be the this is the beginning of a new food system. We are creating that and I'm just stoked every single day. I can't believe I was given this life so you know I. I don't know the challenges. Don't phase me bring them on their heart. Good days bad days or hard as easy days but every single day worth living in the animals. Remind me of that too I I just feel so blessed all around. Well we feel blessed having you on this show sharing year just amazing expertise with US and your passion. So thank you. And how can people learn more about your rancho combustion is their website yeah Rancho COMPA Seon Dot? Org So it's It's spelled Rancho R. A. N. C. H. O. Compa Seon which is just like compassion but only one s okay so rancher compostion dot. Org You can go there and find out about it We were five. Oh One C. Three we live off of donations. So We'd love to get that as well but I'll come and visit us. We have regular visitation day. It's an amazing place. Thank you so much in the you beautiful story. I'm glad you told it. Thank you so much so thank you so much for tuning in today if we helped you in any way then click the subscribe button and let's keep hanging out together. We have so much more to share with you and if you need more information on actually making the switch for good please visit us at switch for good dot org for loads of Info and you can subscribe to our mailing list with you will receive all sorts of Super Bowl. Gifts discount codes to are very Fav- dairy free product and a lifetime of powerful health tips. So join us on the journey to switch for good. This is the future.

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Using Food as Medicine

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Using Food as Medicine

"Talking to my good friend Dr will before we get to our conversation I wanNA give a quick shoutout to our friends at the one tell ya the guy who made today's episode possible Hi I'm Elise Lunen chief content officer and Co host with Gwyneth of the podcast today I'm Tom Wilco hywel hey friend here we are I still remember the first time we ever spoke on the phone years later here we are you just participation attracts positive things I'm GonNa Paltrow this is Goop podcast bringing together thought leaders check out to get twenty percents off your purchase of the pure shampoo conditioner or messed this book the inflammation spectrum today we're talking about implementation of course and chronic health problems functional medicine and how most inflammatory conditions I culture changers creatives founders and CEOS scientists doctors healers and seekers here to start conversations because and we can start to decrease the frequency and intensity of these issues people are going through okay let's get to my chat with Dr improvable that most of the time it's up to us and our lifestyle choices to manage them we talk about will's family's history with auto immune disease and how his conscience we don't need another fad diet we just need like what's a sustainable way to use food as medicine to feel good because people are so unnecessarily struggling with health problems so young most importantly will take us through the ways we can learn more about our bodies and the ways we can calm inflammation to move in the right direction for health Co host of the FELLAS podcasts. Now you've written two books my second book I have to say you let it go the Mayo soul is like it's unbound it's limitless but we will use words to limit ourselves the asking questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world today is no exception a letter Leesville you in on her extraordinary guest and I'll come back there are no sulfates parabens silicones it's Vegan and naturally fragrance te and it really works gene loves the pure shampoo conditioner and messed so much drector will tell you that one of the most exciting things to happen in a while is this a new line high-performance clean hair products designed in the salon of one of the world's top healthy fear inspired him to become an expert on inflammation we'll get into developing healthy attitudes about food where we fall on the inflammation spectrum and how well manages to look the people stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming we turn to ourselves and that's where you become 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other people's advice and just you're a you know every time I come to you you're essentially like do kito -tarian like what are you waiting for the Keita -Tarian Diet and I don't take your afraid I was a conscious a healthy fear of this this is what could happen if I left my genetics up to their own device and just nation that's going on and I think that what's going on on a micro level on a personal level is climate change on biological level that this breaking the goldilocks principle inflammation should be high when we needed to be an calmed down when when the problems over when the virus has gone and says so much easier to give advice is so much easier but you take your own advice yes I do I mean you are tuck everlasting Peter Pan Nation is a product of our immune system it's a good thing imbalance soave inflammation imbalance fights viruses and bacteria hills our body listen to diabetes heart disease autoimmune conditions hormone problems it comes to resistance to hormones digestive problems these are all inflation I'm terrified of my theory high score I definitely qualify for poly inflammation so all right so let's talk about the inflammation spectrum let's talk about even what story even the things that maybe the common person wouldn't even think of of as inflammatory like anxiety depression fatigue these are all in when you look at the level of chronic disease in our society the commonality between these is chronic inflammation ED literature to at least have an auto an inflammatory component if not before blown inflammatory conditions so this is a problem of our society and as I say in backwards Benjamin Button you are Benjamin Button is it just because you're I know you're not vegan anymore but ten years as a Vegan Vegan for ten years any everyone loves to diagnose themselves as you know yes I gave them a quiz quizzes I love the quiz although I'm you look like a fifteen year old I am actually I actually eighteen but thirty five but thank you live in the same bracket and essentially despite not eating more calories and despite potentially exercising more than our counterparts in the seventies we are fifteen percent heavier and they called out environmental toxins and personal care products and their impact on our I think very powerful moment for people when they make that connection between what's happening environmentally and then what's happening in their own bodies and I don't I don't know if you saw it's an old but it's not young either have you ever been a bad eater like did you have a health crisis and and some sort of intervention I know you don't really drink yeah so it's all connected but groaning the world is groaning us Absolutely and I love that you start so yeah I think it's that but I don't know I don't know if it's people say that I look younger I feel I feel very five in a good way I don't so that's inflammation in check balancing what we need to live and survive and be healthy the problem is when inflammations out of balance I mean added I think we all think we know it inflammation is and probably kind of do but can you take us through what that means when it's widespread so I know I never really did but I have autoimmune conditions on both sides of my family so I was scared in a good way I was own impact on the our hormones and hormonal systems they talked about the transition and the microbiome it's probably being a factor and then training throughout the course of their their school the statistics are pretty abysmal most doctors according to some studies would fail a basic nutrition audible things with lifestyle changes and medications when needed but we will so much power with the choices we make in life to prove these things I want to talk about food book it's the age of inflammation it's this storm of inflammation and we need to do something to improve that because largely these things are improvable and manageable and talkie or arrogant enough to to know that to think that nothing can happen right and I love I this book is brilliant and part because it's in sort of those lifestyle factors but just to to build on what you said too about it being sort of akin to climate change like I think we all like in quiz from the training that they receive in conventional medical school so that's why so many of my colleagues go to these post doctorate function despite all efforts and we're seeing it like never before and we are we like to think of ourselves as separate from the world but we are part of the world perceived as like to everyday like to Muendane to be of the interest of doctors do they do you think that there was this a baseline humility of realizing and seeing patients that do all the things and bad things happen to them so I'm doing everything I can to decrease risk factors but still not I felt was better than the standard American Diet but for me I kind of evolve to Kita -tarian which is a mostly plant-based he though Genyk way beating as you know for the large amount of chronic health problems there's a lot more effective options in functional medicine without all the side effects right and I know you talk you inserted what's happened to our food but there are these like it's trackable this and and we feel it it's this like why am I have the it'll medicine training if they have an interest in food as medicine and and wellness they have to get it outside of medical school why do you think it was dropped do you think that it was sticks and say this is working for us largely when it comes to chronic disease for emergency care amazing like we need life saving surgeries medications when needed but uh-huh but apparently I disappeared vice went to a friend's fortieth birthday party this weekend and she looked at me she always looks amazing amazing and I was like why do you look so amazing just like well I'm doing with food and and with food often I mean it is it's interesting like what do you think most doctors get like fifteen hours of nutrition you something different to see something different that Cleveland Clinic has a Functional Medicine Center a lot of mainstream places are having functional medicine centers now because you can't look at this if is polly inflammation neck Shin between all the seven so then you go through each of these implication assessment quizzes which I thought was that there are many reasons and it probably is like many things the slow insidious drifting of priorities and fascinating like the fact that you like which one was I like are the outer thirds of your eyebrows thinning or missing while you brought that up because I was just going to bring it up yeah there was an Atlantic monthly piece recently about how coming in a longitudinal study they looked at adults scores fifty nice round number that's a nice that's a nice compliment it was like if you're if it's over fifteen than you John that we were all capable of eating well or do you think it was that they didn't understand or didn't make the connection why is it skipped I don't know seven systems and then ultimately your eighth and then you tabulate the results to see how much inflammation you have and where inflammation is located my total we've found ourselves in a place where we're so detached from the earth and we're so detached from food as medicine that it's seen as radical a new it's actually not radical that's gonna be grains dairy sugar and inflammatory oils or higher mega six oils against some people can tolerate it like crap and lived like I was intentional as you do everything I could to improve my health but we can't control everything and I'm I have the more advanced track in the book and that's even the advanced track we're talking about lifestyle changes this isn't like to say you're going to die tomorrow puns for books and articles and eight weeks so you eat core for green is for four weeks and it's four foods eliminate is there's when that disease is developing and reversible all right so in terms of the the concept of the book you highlight how many different implant Asian diatribe to simplify it make it fun and not be so arduous and the eliminate plan adds cor four plus four more so that's going to be nightshade love spectrum and I love a spectrum too but you know we live in a very black and white medical world where you have the disease or you don't and there's not a lot of attention paid to those intervening years these some people can't we're doing an experiment for yourself for a couple of weeks to try to bring them back in so this is a it is a fresh spin on the eliminate beans pinto beans chick peas yes so I I don't agree with the idea that everybody under the sun has from questions that I ask patients consulting them so that's a sign that your thyroid maybe off these are pointers these are like check engine lights right that like okay check engine eliminate yeah so the core for the four foods that your lower scores on the quiz you would be removing for four weeks so like interesting obscure questions like people like why the heck are you asking me about the third of my eyebrows but that's a sign like this quiz in the book is adapted it's it's something that's was the father of modern medicine let said Food Thi- Medicine and medicine die food this is what medicine was for the majority of the experiment to see where you thrive because if a food makes you feel lousy avoiding that food isn't punishment it's like no I I love feeling better more than I missed that Amatorio centers seven seven areas right it's a magical number for you eight eight is seven is the order I love that you know that means in the last couple of decades we've shifted that priority but I think it's people are awakening to the fact that we need there's so many variables to consider most people surprised most people are surprised because they they may have a hunch on the bigger like obvious things like sugar or like maybe like tomato so seven sections on the inflammation spectrum this brain hormones and digestion musculoskeletal indict detoxification the seven and then the for removing eight things eliminate yeah so this if you need a play on words I'm your Guy Yeah exactly so many I wake up in the middle of the night all the time and we allow for the time for four weeks or eight weeks and then try bringing it back in in some people can handle more wine some people have histamine intolerance group Feed Group Fun Group and that's my next book so no coffee no alcohol limit eight with the number eight instead of at and that's eight words so okay so take us through what's in the court for and then what what makes up the food and maybe I can have in small amounts maybe I can have it in like a pressure cooked soaked version or maybe I can have it every day and feel fantastic but when you're having just chronic implem- toxication system or your for me it was my hormonal system but just even the idea of like making my own because when you give the toolkits for each one making my own saltwater solely water water yeah which is for people that don't know basically concentrated salt water that gives your body of the electrolytes and the soda and so we're starting to recalibrate and modulate the immune system in a way that S- balanced 'cause it's inflammation again out of balance that's the issue and I worst harmless and at best in four or eight weeks a feeling of feeling much better lowering inflammation all of the stuff in the book is really a an amalgamation of what I talked to patients so they can start to take action on their health for themselves and there's even labs in the book selected problems are these pro gig grain proteins are legume plant protein problems some people do some people don't so we're doing this it's I I see it. As macro and micro like on a macro level we look at climate change and sort of global out of balances global take them through this process one on one which I know many people like to do and have their guns held this is a distillation of that this is exactly each of our genes nab these cannabinoid gene snaps that some people are genetically more prone to these food sensitivity some people don't like extreme offense day well eat but they don't know it is the random chickpea or the random whatever yeah and then we all have these genetic variances that I talk about in the book like Mt so as you know I primarily consultations online that's my day job it's it's I you know Goop Fellas I love Goop Fellas but my day job is consulting patients and Oh with sugar even though I do I love eating sugar if I if I could left my own I would have as gluten free cookies with sugar and eat too many of them but I know Asia there's no way for most people who eat let's say a chick pea to say oh it was that chickpea right like it just gets lost in a sea of yours him and all the good electrolytes to help balance the brain adrenal axis the HP access. Yeah so when you're working with clients in your practice and use Oh individual and like do you know what are what are you do you have responses or do you eat so clean at this point that you could almost eat any is that you say that alcohol and coffee are not foods and therefore I know man I could as a food through the foods that you eat and then we talk about the non-food in Flamer's to start bringing that down right and so with the food as you eliminate them then when you're done with us aids nuts and seeds eggs and legumes which are beans basically so what's the core four on the eliminate track based on the quiz where you could find out what plans does that's not going to be good for me and some people have more tolerance to sugar some people have less and the goal of the inflammation spectrum book is to find out what your body loves your body hates to try it need to yeah and it's not put fear into you it's just to say hey look you're going to need this is just to say look we need to start calming inflation and start moving in the right direction but I wanted to give the people that are lower scores a simpler approach right four eight week process you're he introduced them in a thoughtful outlined way determine what the factors are because we're all completely by owned by there's been a lot of innovation and the clean beady space but gene gottfried June our executive wants to functional medicine Dr not everybody needs functional medicine doctor but they can start making lifestyle changes in their life for themselves totally which is amazing anatole energy from wine I feel motivated in part because it's so intuitive like even in a Si- It essentially you can figure out where most of your inflammation is whether it's your d there's lab section and people do want to get that data they can but they don't need to they can take the quiz and kind of lean into this and then maybe later on they want to run the labs but I realized that not everybody it's on but what's underneath the hood what's dysfunctional here so we can yeah the way that the book is structured which I think is brilliant is you go through you assess each of the thank you I'm I'm a Demi God so I can eat anything not true at all I don't do well with lots of dairy and I don't do it avoid making too many broad sweeping over generalized statements because seeing patients for the past eleven years at this point I realized we're all different different preferences is but we also different microbiomes we have different food reactive we have different set of baseline were starting out on our health journey so yeah I don't do well with dairy and sugar or this morning and because she's way more of an authority than I am I'll tell you what she said about them they smell great feel great and leave your hair shining bouncy it's truly no compromise it's that time of the year again we're celebrating one of our favorite holidays on Saturday November sixteenth it's called in group health and for 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The summit is on Saturday November six seek gluten free a bag of gluten free cookies I will eat ability now way I don't know what it is it's the good girl birthday cake back to my chat with Dr will I know you mentioned that you don't eat gluten gluten is incredibly triggering for people who take us through I guess with any of these foods what it looks like when you're allergic and potentially in a life threatening way to what it means to like on a mini trampoline with more in Roxborough which is coincidentally my favorite pastime and because it's Google you can also expect twelve shots Galore amazing food and drinks and the food not be very tolerable to you sure yeah so there's food allergies which are immune mediated meaning the immune systems being it can be life threatening and then they are intolerances which we we throw these words like allergies and intolerances and sensitivities around but allergy debated and is typically a that initial anticlimactic response. It's that a wheat allergy or a dairy allergy or people that have peanut allergies no not having enough of the enzyme lactase and then sensitivities are immune mediated like allergies but they're typically more low-grade delay aide less of that immediate response but still can create these low grade inflammatory responses like digestive issues or neurological symptoms or muscular-skeletal like inflammation action from the one Italian guy it's the new luxury haircare line by world famous hairstylist Frederick and his I totally clean collection don't have never don't know anyone who's intolerant or CEAC and and you sort of X. I think do a great job of explaining again another spectrum can you and and then you can like largely umbrella those two reactivity because they all rei activities but they all behave in the body differently so I talk about that named but are these things just off the table forever no not necessarily so it's about taking time away from it and then slowly reintroducing it so and they avoid all these foods because the doctor ran the lab and didn't really explain it or maybe they just forgot and they will avoid at all costs thinking they have allergies can't eat and then it's also the things that I absolutely abuse and clearly you know almond milk or Kale or spinach or things that I'm just yeah time and whenever I've done those again like it with Wackos or you is looking for wide-scale permeability but then there are things that spike things that I know these are that what I just said intolerance is are by definition not immune mediated most time so it's typically a a enzyme deficiency like lactose intolerance there beating way too much of so when you eliminate and then add things and is the idea and I think it's heartbreaking aging on it but it's part of your diet and it's a balanced approach for some people that's tested out experiment and really find out what works for your body so dairy for you in the book just to be people be mindful that because I see oftentimes of my patients they'll come in with these food sensitivity tests and they'll say I have an allergy to all these foods more ancient dairy protein is more tolerable for some people so may not be the dairy maybe the source of the dairy cows fed in terms of weight loss as a goal even tell people that try to reintroduce gluten try to reintroduce sugar these things that you know maybe from don't work for me may work fine for you in certain amounts you not been ever diet quote unquote work best for you so what's the Best Keita Foods what's the Best Paleo foods what's the best whole thirty foods re to work with but Kito -tarian bring food back in and you're having it too much too soon after you've been off of it before or eight weeks and you have a reaction then people automatically think oh it's a a break and then try bringing it in slowly because it's important to to to note that when you go off of foods for a while you're microbiome bacteria shifting so when me but I also am not very tolerant of dairy I can work myself up to it in in the sense of sort of being probably permanently a little inflation bill would you recommend like an eight week inflammation suppressing diet like what what you have in the book Kita -Tarian or what's or is this kind there are better ways to get dairy you can get culture dairies ferment dairies fears or Kiefer's depending on who you talk to Muncie don't work for you so the inflammation spectrums meant to guide you to find out that food piece and then let's talk about Kito a little bit too just because it's I know fascinating to people and can kind of be done badly right I just was also with the friend he did like old school Kito because she loves meat right really that's oftentimes a sign of intestinal permeability it's less to do with the food more with do with the larger Gut centric inflammation and things that we can work on it just needs to say oh I'm digesting this again and we start the microbiome shifts in allows the proper probiotics that proper bacteria and enzymes to break down these foods and reaction to the food and I shouldn't have it when I tell patients is to slowly bring it back in may not be an intolerance or sensitivity or algae in maybe factor microbiome Nick what foods under that umbrella worked best for you so I see the inflammation spectrum no matter which way you eat find out which foods within that category you may you may want to avoid it for a while and allow that inflammation to be calmed allow your immune system's re shifting recount and she got really sick is that common should acquit. She Lost Lemon Joey but she was so ill she couldn't continue yeah I think that dislocated let me say all right so then but yogurts cheeses but grass fed the a two casing which I know you're well aware of the A lot of times people get excited with these ways of eating and they do go to fast too soon with this approach and this quote unquote dirty keyed L. A. I liked to burn both most people are just burning kindling and they're angry as hell because of it and then if you're burning if you're fully ketogenic are you not burning sugar or upkeep -Tarian this inflammation spectrum plan in there again tailored based on the toolbox in your quiz but this to me is a star by by being ketogenic you're burning both you are burning fat as your primary fuel but yeah if you're still eating vegetables and you're still going to be burning some kindling towards anything as long as it's high fat low carb it's not gonNa work for a lot of people sustainably you find this like you four a honeymoon period but the with the people in Pittsburgh Kiefer's by Seca fears I don't I'm scared to pronounce it just yeah I'm because of it looking at the quality of foods and then yeah I mean just because you read it on a blog doesn't mean it's necessarily right for you news news flash on that one optional Ketogenic Diet for some people but for long term like what's impact impact on them and then they can have health problems end the broader more variety version of it that is PESCA -tarian but still mostly plant soundtrack Hito and I do a cyclical approach parting point to find out food sensitivities and reactivity and what foods within whatever paradigm eating Paleo or Vegan or Kita start to lowering inflammation start to train your metabolism burn fat for fuel as well as burn sugar so it's like kindling on the fire is sugar and that log on the fire is fat and at some a little bit of fish fish eggs so there's vegan Kito options in Kita -tarian but then we have the vegetarian Kito that brings in eggs and gi which is clarified butter or carb state longer term so back to that bigger point of finding out what works for your body and is there any of all these sort of an is one part of that so even mentioned that in passing in the book that if you're eating kiyotery in that case find out which foods maybe eggs don't work for you maybe nuts and seeds and then the PESCA -Tarian Vegetarian in the book but basically wild caught fish and fresh seafood so people can pick what they want but I recommend that lets loose on the weekends and it's totally working that seems very attainable yeah totally and you know everybody has metabolic flexibility some people got I will be in Kito since I built that metabolic flexibility to do that and then when i WanNa have the sweet potato fries or the goody girl cookies so kito -tarian you created that with the idea that it's something you could theoretically either seasonally or for a long period of time I mean it's essentially plants can you predict whether it's like blood sugar insulin or that a Jewish in our brain nervous system like where do you think most of us are spiking because the gut is such a hippocrates also said all disease begins and the guy and I think that there's a lot of gut centric components to hormone issues and neurologically not normal it's common but not normal so start educating people on these basic ways that the human body does the best at and then they can stop saying if you had to pick one of the seven areas I would probably say the digestion as being an issue but another bite yet but or I don't go to I don't go to the bathroom every day I go every two days that's not normal all have it but then I can go back into chaos right but you have to build that metabolic flexibility most people are stuck only in sugar burning mode their whole life so what we have to do is again proving these in powerful ways yeah no I think it's it's also interesting too because I think as much as we love to self diagnose and it's like what's wrong with me and what do I have and getting on how many cards

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{wednesday rewind} The Protein Powder Episode

This Unmillennial Life

32:59 min | 1 year ago

{wednesday rewind} The Protein Powder Episode

"Because we get into today's Wednesday rewind of the protein powder episode. I wanted to give you all a heads up that today on this, Emma, lineal life blog. There is a new blog post that is related to today's topic. I have created my own high fiber protein powder recipe using some very easy to obtain ingredients. I did this after much searching and research for this podcast to try to find the perfect protein powder. And one of the things that I was looking for was a high fiber version, you can read more about what I purchased what I tested, and ultimately the recipe that I ended up creating and using now in my own home. I hope you enjoy that blog post and today's Wednesday rewind. If your skin doesn't know whether to break out a wrinkle, if you're caught between planning the third grade class party and researching retirement plans, or if you want to work out at the idea of cross bit makes your forty something knees. Aac you've come to the right place. Welcome to this. Unbelievable. Life. I'm your host reading Johnson. Welcome to today's show. You know, if you've asked me about twenty years ago to name protein powder, the best I could probably do is show. You a box of carnation instant breakfast mix as unrelenting protein powders or something. We certainly did not grow up with or grow up drinking, but you walk in the supermarket today and walk through the supplement area and you've seen the tiny bottles of vitamin c be replaced with mega bottles of protein powder. But do any of these protein powders actually have a place in your diet? And if they do where do you even begin to choose one in today's episode, I'm taking a moment to visit with my friend and colleague, Dr Chris Moore, you heard Chris on the show here before he's weighed in on a number of the fitness related podcasts and even shared some thoughts with us in the protein bar episode. But knowing that Chris is an expert in this area of protein research, and especially muscle recovery after exercise. I wanted to bring him on the show today to really dive into one whether or not protein powders or even necessary in your diet and to how to choose the right one. If you haven't had a chance to listen to Chris in any of the previous episodes, I want to briefly just introduce him to you Chris has a PHD in exercise physiology and is a registered dietitian. He's the previous consulting sports nutritionist for the Cincinnati Bengals and the university of Massachusetts athletic program. He's spoken all over the United States and internationally on the topic of nutrition, and fitness, and I am always honored to have him here on the show. Chris welcome to the show me back Reagan. Yeah, I was gonna say I should say welcome back to the show because so kind to weigh in on both fitness and nutrition topics here on the podcast and when we originally did the protein bar episode you wait in then on protein recommendations. But I think it never hurts to start there. And I just kind of put out there for women, especially who are listening to this podcast what the current recommendations are in your recommendations as a professional on how much protein women need to be getting in their diet and especially at different meals. Great question in such such a certainly an important topic. So typically the recommendation, and we can look at grams per kilogram of body weight, and so on, but to be honest, I think for most people I I usually just like to give a gram recommendation and then provide some foods that would fall into that category. So for most people typically recommend around twenty grams of protein to thirty grams of protein per meal now, of course, there might be some variations depending on the size of the person, the body weight and body fat, and so on, but for the majority of the population that twenty to thirty grams seems to work really really well, and what does that look like in terms of foods? It could be a Cup of cottage cheese. It could be a few whole eggs with some egg whites. It could be something like a smoothie or some protein bars could be a combination of foods, maybe a handful of nuts with some Greek yogurt or things like that. But there's no variety of foods. You know, certainly animal proteins can easily fall into that. As well kind of three to five inches of animal protein, which is about the size of your hand would all provide around that twenty to thirty grams per meal, which is important when I say per meal, not just at dinner and not just launched but all throughout the day breakfast lunch dinner, then there's some snacks in there as well. Chris let's remind people of when you say, you know, the twenty to thirty grams seems to work well per meal works well for people. What is it about protein, so seemingly magical we hear a lot about it? We see it on packages. But I think it's also to provide some context of why you as a professional recommend people are getting this much protein in each meal up a number of things that certainly protein does for us. But the to come to the two big ones that I that I usually turn to and look to and people are most interested in are one protein helps fill you up. So in term the term is called photography. I'm so if protein helps fill you up about the importance of that. At a meal particularly breakfast. So you can be more satiated throughout the day. The number two the other big component of protein is that it helps build and or maintain muscle, of course, in when when doing resistance training, so not independent of that. But if we look at those pieces, the weight management, and or weight loss piece to it because it helps fill you up and the muscle building potential protein is certainly really really important. So I usually point to those things like I mentioned, of course, protein has other benefits, but big picture, the weight piece and the and the muscle piece. I think are what most people are after. Yeah. Chris as people are sitting listening to this. Sometimes I think is women can get overwhelming and thinking about how am I going to fit that in every meal, and that's one of the reasons I wanted to do this podcast today on protein powders because when we did the protein bar episode within the closed this millennial life podcast Facebook group. The question came. Well, what about protein powders in? You were kind enough to kinda weigh in on the group and give some recommendations. But this continues to be a topic that people ask about, so I then turn it over to you to say, okay, how then do protein powders fit in to these recommendations perfect question because you know, when you think about it. It does seem daunting the twentieth. Thirty grams per meal is a lot if you're not accustomed to that and you and I have talked off line. You know, even for me if I'm trying to get that and a little bit more than that. 'cause I'm certainly a little bit bigger and more consistently it adds up pretty quickly. And because protein is still laying you may not feel like eating so much and that is one of the ways that protein powders can work really, well, so that being said where do they fit in the overall diet now protein powders there's a variety of protein powders types of protein powder and Ken seem really confusing. If you're trying to figure out what to do and what to use and how it tastes and all that. So we'll get into some of the differences between. In protein powders. But I'll I say that I think where they become very very beneficial is for the convenience number one. Especially if you're running the kids out the door in the morning running yourself out the door to get some some kind of quality nutritional in at it as a protein, powders either water or milk or almond milk, or what have you because there was some fruit in there? And you have a great quick easy meal on the go that includes that kind of that protein dose that we talked about in addition to some of the other benefits from some of the nutrition you're adding in there. So again like it from a convenience standpoint. I like it from a quality standpoint, you know, where else can you get that amount of quality protein and other nutrition for so few calories. So compare that to other food sources got I'm not saying protein powder should replace food. But you know, you think about you make a quality smoothie that has maybe three hundred four hundred calories again, you get a decent amount of protein, some other quality and fishing. It's you'll be hard pressed to. Get that same amount of nutrition in that in that lower amount of calories with other foods. So I think that's that's a big benefit as well. And then of course, protein powder, one of the other things that many protein powders have it's their high-quality amino acids when are you know, provide or make up protein, and then there's certain key of you know, acid that or maybe even higher in protein powders certain ones that you may be hard pressed to find in foods themselves. Okay. This idea about the high quality amino acids. I definitely wanna come back to that. But before we move onto that there's always the question of do I need a protein powder, shake after a workout. Right. Yeah. Well, you know, there used to be this in the in the sports nutrition world that would kind of the golden child was called for for a long time. Was this kind of window of opportunity they called it. And basically it was you need to get something in your body within around thirty MAC, sixty minutes. It's after your workout, otherwise pretty much your results were going to be, you know, not they wouldn't have any results. Now more recently research has found that that timing isn't quite as pressing. Meaning as soon as I get out of the gym. I don't need to rush home to slam down shake as quick as I can otherwise I won't build any muscle that that being said, you know, when you work out when you especially with weights, you do break down muscle. You do want to get something in your body. But I wouldn't get caught up. And if it's not thirty minutes, I'm my results are going to be you know, completely washed out receiving sixty minutes. But again that is for me that is a convenient time to add in if you're gonna use a protein powder that could be mean time to add one in it's refreshing that also gives you a hydration because you're gonna make some liquid in there. So there's some other benefits as well. In addition to the potential benefits that protein might have said now, let's walk over magin that we are in the supermarket. Or the health food store wherever we're going to look for a container protein powder. And I'll have to say, you know, I see protein powders. Now, you have places like target in the an entire aisle dedicated to them. So my question to you is someone is standing there and they're looking in their thinking. Okay. Yeah. You know, what when I get back from the gym. I'd like to add in a protein shake that will help me start getting my protein needs in. What did I choose? You can go all day about this. Because like you said protein powders now everywhere from target to WalMart and kind of everything in between. So there's lots of different options when we think about protein powders and I'll just go through. I think the more popular ones generally kind of one by one. So the first the first kind of general categories called way protein way protein comes from dairy. So Wade comes from milk and actually byproduct of chief production so longtime ago, and they made cheese. They used to throw away that extra liquid and actually use it as a fertilizer for fields in crop seven. They realized there might be some potential help. Benefits to humans. So they started selling back to companies. So that's that's that's way protein now way protein is particularly high brought up that amino acid. He's earlier way protein is particularly high in an amino acid called loosing. Now, there's twenty different amino acids, they're all have benefits but losing in particular may seem to play a big role in ultima building muscle that term called protein, synthesis and way protein is higher in loosing than most other proteins. So that's one of the benefits way protein is also absorbed pretty quickly by the body. So when we think about what might be a good protein after a workout to get that protein absorbed quickly way could fall into that mix, and certainly as a great option again, it does come from dairy. So someone has a dairy allergy or trying to avoid dairy for whatever reason that obviously it's not a great suggestion. So there's a few others you can. But I'll bet I'll stick with some of the animal based ones I 'cause then we'll go to the vegetarian vegan ones. So we have way, and then we also have k- scene which is another type of protein that also comes from dairy Casey protein on the contrary to way, which I said is absorbed. Quickly case seen protein is absorbed a lot more slowly. So in foods, I said milk, but also cottage cheese is a big source of casing protein, again, certainly benefits there just like like with way, but it is absorbed more slowly. So there are some research. Studies to suggest if you're going to use protein powder at a different time during the day. Maybe nighttime would be time to use this. Because again, you're sleeping now. So you're not taking any calories and that added amount that protein because it's digested more. Slowly, maybe more useful as you're sleeping and not otherwise taking you know acids. So then that's sometimes people pushed up. Casing protein as a nighttime protein in the grand scheme of things for the average person and probably ninety nine percent of your listeners, including me, and you it's it's splitting hairs if we're starting to get caught up in the types of protein, how we're going to absorb them and so on but just wanted to put that information out there. So the other another one against him with the animal base. There's one called milk protein isolate now remember way and Casey him both come from Bill. So milk protein is a kind of a decent combination of the two of those. So a little bit of the slower way casing protein a little bit of the faster way. Again, Stephen option if people like I said earlier, people have issues with dairy or milk. Certainly this wouldn't be a great suggestion. But that this is a common one as well that that's being that's being sold. Now, then moving away from some of the dairy based or animal based protein powders. There are some vegetarian or vegan options soy protein. Is a common one. That's being that's sauce surge in popularity maybe ten or fifteen years ago. And then it got some negative press to be honest. It wasn't really none of it was substantiated, but it got some negative press. And the data doesn't show that it is unsafe by any means, but because that negative press Sawyer not been as popular, but it's always a common protein powder is. Well, it's a provides those completely no ass. It's a complete protein. So it has a variety of them, you know, acids wipe the dairy proteins do. So this commonly used as well in in some of the protein powders either by itself or in combination with other sources of protein to the others that have been really kind of on the scene lately and then pushed our pea protein like the little tiny PD a little vegetable protein as a vegan source, and to be honest. I haven't been a lot of data to my knowledge on. Protein itself. People do like it because it seems to be a sustainable source of protein that does wedding combination with other vegetable proteins can provide those complete amino acids. So again, vegetable proteins are typically limited or missing one or other or more, you know acids, but when used in combination and mixed with others, then you get those amino acids as as a whole so people who team is one of those that's often used in combination with other sometimes by itself, but typically in a combination with things like hemp protein, which is popular and there's other view rice Brown rice protein is popular. So there's lots of vegetarian vegan sources that are used in combination. Typically, the flavor profiles a little Granier than something like a way. But some people do appreciate that. And enjoy that suffered the most part then people are looking at the aisle and they're looking at way milk protein, high Soleil and they're looking at. Casing and they're looking at soy in there looking at these pea, protein mixes are most of the brand's going to be kind of a symbol in a way to give the end user a broad spectrum of me, no assets that are going to be beneficial for them, you know, with goes back to what I mentioned earlier in the grand scheme of things absolute what you're getting some benefit there. So what I would say is most of them are fairly decent quality that are out there on the market. I would I would pick one you like the flavor profile because obviously if you're not going to drink, and it's not very useful. And then again, if you if you're not a against Derry or not giving it up or out allergic. I do like those dairy based ones just again because that naturally high amount of you know, acids, but that being said again depends on what you what you prefer what works for you. Well, one of the things that I know about you and your wife Keira, and in your two lovely girls is that people look at your family, Chris. And they always like, we'll we'll what are you doing with your family? I. I know that in the question becomes will what what protein powder St. you guys use in your own home? Absolutely. So we have we have two in particular that we use and one of them the brand is called a sent a s she t-. It's actually it's an interesting story. It's the company the it's used to be a cheese based company that made to huge company, invaded mozzarella cheese and distributed worldwide. And then recently started making protein, really really high quality. I think great flavor. So their products are all dairy based on naturally because of what they do what they started with cheese the other one that I really like XL say to others is now sports, and and w they make some high quality great tasting protein powders and they make pretty much every type of protein powder. You can imagine from way to Casey ING, too, vegan based and everything. Between so you can find those in usually health food stores, or of course, Amazon the last one that we really liked and Karen particular likes the flavor of this lawn, and I do too is called it's called lean body for her. So the woman who created that is actually good friend of ours. But it's that's just a great again way protein and taste great mixes, well, very very few ingredients. So basically way protein and a few other little flavors in there. But really like that product in particular. Yeah, I would say to people that having looked at protein powders a lot over the years and standing in the different aisles at target and whole foods and public supermarket. The one things that you find is once you kinda Niro in on. Yeah. You know way is the way I want to go or, you know, no, I want a soy based protein powder. You really gonna find that your choices may seem overwhelming. But they begin. To narrow down based on things like dealer chocolate. Do you like vanilla are you okay with an artificial sweetener? Are you okay? With a non nutritive sweetener do only prefer that it have sugar. So once you kind of make some determinations there it really does kind of help narrow the field and becomes a little bit less overwhelming. And let Chris said, then it really becomes a matter of de- like the taste, and that actually is one of those things that I sometimes have a little bit of frustration with the protein powder market in that they sell such really large containers that if you've not ever tried it before, you know, you don't necessarily want to spend that much money. But I'd also say that I have noticed especially at places like target in in some of the whole food type grocers that some protein powder makers are beginning to offer single serve pouches. So that you can try in sample. And I think that's also a really good idea is just to pick a few because you might initially think chocolate is the way I want to go. But you'll find that, you know, the taste of the vanilla is the best or it actually mix Zander. That's been my experience. Would you say that's been your experiences while I one hundred percent, and I'm glad you brought that up actually because you don't want to spend thirty or forty dollars on top that no one likes the flavor of and just sits there. So you could probably any of those companies I mentioned to be honest, you could probably reach out to if you can go online to find them. And I bet if you contact someone they'll be gladly send you samples one one quick clarification. I mentioned three different companies two of them assent and lean body for her. You will only find those online. They're currently not sold in stores. The other one is sold in stories that now foods, and of course, everyone sells Amazon so those are options as well. But like you said, you know, maybe reach out to like, I said reach out to the company. See if they could send you a couple of sample packets give it a world that make sure that flavor works for you. And the and the solubility and everything to to see what you enjoy this. This is super helpful. Chris there anything that. We haven't covered about protein powders that are questions that you consistently get from people that you think we need to clarify. You know, I think the last piece, and I kind of got into this. But. Just reminding you that protein powders are just that, you know, they're never never going to replace all of your protein in your diet. They do give you protein, but they don't give you all the other nutrition that a, you know, piece of steak or fish, or what have you would. So great, occasionally, I certainly wouldn't live off them perfectly safe though. Even for kids. You know, don't go overboard, but our kids take them perfectly safe to have a little bit now and then for kids and certainly for adults as well. We'll thank you for sharing all of that. And thank you for clarifying about the kids because that is a question that I think regularly comes up, and we address that in the protein bar episode, and I would just have to say to people, and I've said this before when a pad Chris on the show, he's such a wealth of knowledge he and his wife both mean, really specialize in understanding the needs fitness needs a nutrition needs of women like the ones that are listening to this podcast. And he's so good to share what he likes and what his family cheeses that. If you want to follow Chris. Online. You will get a nuggets of information all the time from him and from his wife about what you can do in your own life for nutrition and fitness. So Chris tell everybody where they can find you online. So on Facebook is just more results, which is our company ammo H R results of throwing posting lots of stuff in there on Instagram is actually the same also more results. So there's probably those that were most active with in terms of social media. And then, of course, our website is also more results dot com. So lawsuit information on there. And then like I said, we're posting certainly tons of stuff on social media about our own daily practices with our kids in ourselves and everything else. Chris. Thank you for that. And thanks for coming on the show today up fluid. Thanks reagan. Okay. So after Chris, and I wrapped up taping this episode together. And I went back to listen to our conversation. One of the things that really stuck out in my mind was this idea of the myth. Chiefs around soya protein. I felt like that for especially our generation many of us as women who are listening to this podcast. We've really grown up in a time of having soy positioned both ways as both very very good for you and very very bad for you. And because there are so many protein powders that are on the market that are soy-based I circled back with him after the podcast to get him to dive a little bit deeper into this idea of soy being safe protein supplement to consume. And here's what he shared with me. Concern about third protein when I became popular decade or would go from to be kind of the newest hottest protein. And a lot of Dave is well to show that, you know, Asian cultures particular which typically eat a lot of sewing live longer healthier lives and a lot of the abuses came from the side south. But then there's some concerns because the structure of soya and south would filler to estrogen. So there's been concerns that women with breast cancer or the seltzer there their family may not benefit soy naturally with a higher risk affirmative breath cancer. But the study I've been unbounded then continuing have come out to throwing protein. Infants off on women and even women with breast cancer breast cancer fell on similarly though concerns about Foyt again because of the the structure looking some estrogen that it made for men that stopped room level. And once again, many studies have shown that this. Unfounded, not true whatsoever. Awful throwing protein is a safe firm of protein by cartoon as a great source of protein supplement, but sort milk food radical variety of food sources of protein, and of course, it can be up as well. You know by itself in conjunction with other types of proteins. I just wanted to add as a part of this discussion is a disclaimer that Chris, and I both recently attended a sponsored conference where some of this soy's information and research was presented again. This is all information that is available to both of us without any ties to sponsorship, but because our attendance was partially paid for along with all of the other attendees of the conference it just felt like that was an important disclosure to make and with that we're going to go to the commercial break, but come right back because I have a short little segment to wrap up today about my least favorite and apparently yours as well. Millennialism 's that's coming up next. Today's podcast is brought to you by healthy aperture, the web's first and only dietitian curated healthy recipe discovery site with nearly ninety thousand recipes to browse in categories ranging from gluten-free -tarian that healthy desserts. Healthy aperture is sure to have a recipe. It's just right for you. Head over to help the aperture dot com to learn more. Okay. As I promised. We're coming back with a quick little segment about millennialism. So that I don't like and apparently people in the Facebook group, don't like. But before I do I wanted to also give you an opportunity to weigh in on a New York Times article that I posted in this. Unbelievable live Facebook group last week, and it was the naming of the next generation. So those of you who follow generational labels, and I'll have to say that I actually consider the generational label for this podcast, probably not much of a secret here as unbelievable, and I don't think that we as an Molyneux's are tied to any one particular generation. The reality is is you all have told me some of you are genetics. There's some of you are boomers some of you are millennials who just don't fit the millennial stereotype. I welcome you all with open arms because what we share is the common ground that the. Millennial portrayal of what we see online doesn't fit for our lives. So with that in mind, there's also a generation out there a much younger generation than than mine that's called right now generation Z. But apparently that generational label is still unfolding. And so I'll place a link to that New York Times article in the show notes if you'd like to go read that, but there are a lot of names thrown out there from I to my personal favorite which was submitted by ninety one year old woman who said she thought they should be the thumbing generation. That was hilarious. But Jin Z weighed in on what they vote their name was other people white in. And if you have a name that you think fits for this next generation that's coming up. I'd love to hear it. You can always tweet me at Reagan Jones or D or certainly provide me feedback via the contact page on this millennial life dot com. Moving on from that. I am always amazed at what gets the most response and engagement. From this millennial lie community, and apparently for this last week, what we were all solidified around was this notion that there are certain millennialism 's that we can't stand and again for my millennial friends that are listening. We love you. But their stuff, apparently, that's being credited. So your generation as bringing it to our common vernacular that we absolutely don't love. I'm going to start off by saying, my absolute least favorite millennialism is the use of the acronym. Af I see it everywhere. And if you as an unbe lineal don't know what it is go, look it up in the urban dictionary. It's based in profanity, and as I have shared here on the podcast before that is not within my public comfort zone that word phrase to to share or to enjoy seeing online as early there's a time and a place maybe to laugh about things like that with France. But I am increasingly seeing major brands use that term. -nology, and it always blows my mind, and we had a discussion about it on this millennial life Facebook group, and you know, I kind of said that maybe that's just a quirky personality trait of me. Maybe I'm a little too Mary Poppins, I don't like to see that kind of profanity from brands and other people agreed and said, it's just very unprofessional. But I see increasingly used more and more. I see it among millennials who are using themself as their brands and putting themselves out as professionals, and it just leaves me very very uncomfortable. And I don't like it. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. I welcome it. Even if you disagree with me, let me know what you think if af doesn't bother you. I'm all ears. But some of the other ones that showed up in this thread were snooty to me in very funny. I'll have to say that overwhelmingly one of the favorites for least favorite millennialism was the use of the word bay B A E also making the list was on fleet on point roasted, which is a popular one around my house bra the. A use of the word crack for recipes, which actually don't know if that's a millennialism or a food blogger problem and many many more. But definitely topping the list was the use of the term adulting. We hate it. We all feel like we've been being an adult for so long, and we get it. It is hard. But guess what? Everybody has to do it, and it's actually not a verb. So there you go on millennials unite in their dislike of millennial phrases. If you disagree agree or just want to give some more suggestions, you can always do that by joining the this unrelenting ally Facebook group on Facebook, I say it week after week if you haven't joined yet we'd love for you to join over there. That's where the conversation takes place before. And after each podcast. I will tell you that in our listener survey, which I am still hosting. There's a link in the show notes if you would like to provide your feedback some of the feedback that I've gotten from that survey is that people love the Facebook group, and they love it. Because. It's a community of people that are like minded and engaging. But it is not an overwhelming group. I don't post over and over and over each day. I try to share things that are only of interest to the group, and that will either be informative or inspiring or maybe sometimes just a little bit funny. So I don't kraut your news feed with too many posts. But if they book is not your speed as I always say, you can tweet me at Reagan Jones, our D, And you can contact me via the contact page on this a millennial life dot com. If you'd like to submit an idea for a show, you can go to this. I'm lineal life dot com slash guest ideas. And with that you've reached the end of this episode, thanks for sharing this. 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Episode 62  RAA Dakar

No End In Sight

1:51:12 hr | 9 months ago

Episode 62 RAA Dakar

"Umbrian benefits and this is no end in sight. A podcast about life with chronic illness as usual. Here's a quick plug for my Patriot campaign. Just in case you've been enjoying the show. Oh and you also happen to have a few bucks ASPERA each month. I've been using the Patriot. Money to subsidize the cost of transcribing the podcasts which is slow going but it's happening so if you're interested in able to contribute you can find that at Patriotair dot com slash. No end in sight. This week I'm talking to are a car about about emmy and FIBRO and the isolation of chronic illness as all morning the person that you used to be before we start. Here's my disclaimer. This podcast is not intended as a substitute for professional medical advice. Diagnosis or treatment. Make sure you talk to your practitioner about any questions or symptoms. UH-HUH I like to start by asking how your health was as a kid. Oh as a kid. I was great I had no. ooh I'd nothing as a kid I never said I didn't even have like allergies Nothing I was like super great as a kid did nothing at all and now and so yeah so then what was then Mike which is what I know. You're getting too well. No and then and I had I really great health Super active very much ensue. Very Athletic Like my whole life really and then I guess it started already going down hill maybe when I moved back to the US and then Um So had you been like as a kid. Did you grow up in the states. Or did you just kind of grew up like all over the place in East Asia And then in the US and back and forth okay. And then I ran and I went to university in France in the only only I guess the only childhood thing I would say was like allergies like to dairy dairy allergy like lactose in. Yeah lactose intolerant but it only happens in the US. Like I can weird. I'm in Europe can eat. It's the crap they put in NYC. I can eat your her all day long in Europe weird aired like interesting. I believe you. It's just so it's that kind of thing though. Strange and interesting you know. Yeah because I think it's the crap that they put in. I think that's what it is. You know yeah yeah yeah more nats will will. Yeah can't be in. The state is the what they put in the cows with the with the milk. Yeah so I never had any. I never read any Issues and then I got pregnant in the US. And then I had Had A butts epidurals okay. That sounds difficult in. That's where my problems kind of started so boxed up zero And then they did what they call a blood patch. I don't know if you know what that show and how it I also discussed. Yeah okay. I'll overbearing here myself. So if for an epidural to be botched does that basically being it just didn't work. Don't know enough about okay. It did work but I had been in this and this is how it was explained to me. I don't know if this is the correct version but was told to me was was that I was in Labor for about twenty hours like didn't want it epidurals and finally I was just like okay to heck with this. GimMe the Goddamn Thing yeah and so then. Apparently it was too late now. I don't think that's just what I've been told sure and it. It didn't work but they can't opinion like they kept upping the dose which I guess he would call it. I just kept giving you more. Maybe I get that. We're kinda guessing but something like that. Yeah I mean honestly when you're giving birth like you're not really noticing so much right now your first priority yeah it really isn't instill we'll find baby was born fine healthy but then a whatever it is that they put into your spine. It was leaking in my spine. Came in so I couldn't sit up or stand. I had to stay laying down and they said okay. You have a choice either either you just let it leak out on its own. UK or what we call a blood patch. Okay and that's when the ink your own blood. God they so they extract your own blood in they injected directly into your spine. Okay so the like out of they took it out of my hand. Yeah they just injected into my spine and that didn't work and so they had to do a second one at that point. I got an infection in mice. Oh my goodness okay. Yeah and so this like ten ten day old right right right with a newborn. Yeah and hat being in I was in the US at the time. Of course you know you don't have a maternity leave. You know you gotta go right back to where I was GonNa say you still in the hospital at that time or had you gone home and you were and how I got home and I went back to the hospital. Aspen got a blood patch. Went home back to the hospital. Another blunt And then I went but I went home but then I had like a week thirty leaves. Yeah which was unpaid either way right. I kind of like I had to go back to work. I didn't really have until the yeah. You know what he pull. That late convalescent. Is that what you call it like. Yeah no time to get back in no time line crash into you know just get used to having a newborn. Yeah figure out her seeing and just like all that so it was just the stress. I suppose that cycle right back to work and so after that I couldn't I used to run and I couldn't run anymore because my back Liz. It's so much pain and so after that it was kind of okay like my health was okay and then I moved here to Senegal got I guess maybe three years after that and then Then I started I I was I was working out crazy. You know. I'm just like crazy worker outer you know and like six times a week Whatever in contrast to think of what happened it was I remember being tired a lot and I was having a lot a lot of insomnia and I remember being tired watch but I will just put it down to stress? At that point I was a single mother and I stress stress and And I think it was actually and then I had my second child and IT TURNS I. I was like no epidurals at all right there. I told my guy knows like no way agreed with me and it turned out that I that the cord was wrapped around the baby's neck. And so she wasn't moving in so we had to do an emergency c section so I had to do an epidural so that was that and then I guess like a month after she was born I started getting really sick and so living in West Africa of course with the fever whatever. They test for malaria. That's like one of the first things they test for here. Tested for malaria in came up. Negative okay so The doctor had a great doctor. Absolutely fantastic doctor. And how does the healthcare system their work just in compared to say the United States. There's a whole other thing it it's a lot cheaper. Yeah sure sure. A doctor's appointment is like dollars like you can pay out of pocket and you don't you know it's like police feasible and but here it's really nice we have a system that's called. SOS doctors they can come to your house which is really AAC. Yeah and it's like sixty dollars. I mean it's really great. Yeah so if you're not you don't have to go to the I mean those aren't specialists. Those are just general animal doctors but really normal system there. Oh yeah totally. Yeah absolutely I mean it comes from the French system. The French started Here yeah It's a it's a francophone countries throwing out of this stone brands and so I don't know so tested negative for malaria got. Let's feel better than I was feeling worse tested for malaria again. Negative and this all this while I have like six weeks old baby. Yeah not anyway not easy under the best. What an Artie Artie? Split up from the fathers. That was really on my own and now kids. My son was like six or seven in. Gosh I'm trying to remember all this stuff. It's not hard. Yeah and so yes I just kept getting sick and that was getting better. Be Better for a couple days and I get sick again. Like with fever like malaria symptoms. Yeah so is that like have fever and sweating and Petillo and body aches stuff. Yeah Yeah Larry is like first thing. Yeah and so finally one day and luckily at that time my mother was living here. Senegal and So she was over at the House and I was is not as I was not feeling well. This has been going on for about a month. I guess I wasn't feeling well and the baby. He was crying and she brought her into nurse and I was like no. I can't because my head my head was like about burst and so she got worried because she was like. There's no way that she's accepting to nurse. The baby will yeah. That was was only out of character for you for big data character. Yeah Yeah and so. She called a friend who called a friend who knew a doctor who had clinic and they rushed me over to the clinic and it turned out. I had cerebral malaria. And basically the doctor. After said if you hadn't come in right this very minute you would have gone into a coma and died. Holy cow it was pretty major Ah Continually tested negative for malaria. Right I had just went to my pain so yes it was really. It was really horrible time. It was just emotionally and I didn't want them bringing the baby to the hospital because hospitals are full of diseases. You know flying in the air viruses in whatever. Yeah lots of six eighty. Yeah so I didn't. She was a newborn was only a few months old also in the hospital and they treated me and it was fine. It was horrible treatment. Because they do that. What are they a spinal tap that what it's called any looks like a spinal tap in which is really really painful and it was just the whole thing which is awful and then like okay? You're better go home and I go home in like three days later I get sick again. I go back into the well. I hadn't been injustice cow even happen. Yeah so I mean I laugh Athabasca now because it's just like it's absurd just like what the heck lleida break up with. My husband went while it run Mike seven months pregnant. You know I come home. I was like all these other issues being nine months pregnant alone right. You know with two with my kid already in in the also in the meantime like I changed jobs. No no I was at this job. I had different position which was like more responsibility in so just had dead. Why I don't know like if a law against the last time the baby was turned around and she was like breach in? I couldn't get maternity. Leave is I was working in an American school year so they only like like oak sort of stupid they leave in the. US The absurdity. Take all yeah and so in my Guy News. Seems like you have to take off work. What is it with these Americans? I don't I can't take off work. Yeah and so what happened. In so it was just like he's the accumulation of just pure unadulterated help you know. You have a full altogether right and so in my job We only had a certain number of sick days that we take and I had taken all of mine. Mommy's leaks in the hospital right and the doctor was like I re- month rest. Yeah because he likes the stress of the divorce the the key section right. Yeah cerebral malaria meningitis. All in the space of four months. Yeah it's like three months said rest. I don't do any of my boss. You can take three months but you're not getting paid. Yeah great so I had to go back to work because I was married twice a two kids with each marriage. I'm sorry one kid one canary. Yeah Yeah Yeah sorry. I don't have four kids. Neither one of them contributes financially. So like gotta work when you you. Yeah Yeah Yeah and just before you get to that what. We're the treatments themselves like so the treatment for malaria and then the Freeman manage. Ida's because obviously like letting your body recover is its own thing. But they're still like a medical intervention that has to happen first right. Yeah of course. Yeah yes anything. I couldn't even. I wasn't even over the treatment for the malaria. Before I had to go into the treatment for meningitis Brian. My body was was constantly. I mean they couldn't even find any veins on constantly eat right. Couldn't find find any anymore they had to use like debate Needles used for babies. Yeah you know they just couldn't I had I came out of. They're like looking like a drug addict. Basically like good like I've been shooting up because I just had All over my hands caressed yet where they had Injected me you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah and then as I. I didn't even have the chance to my body. Just didn't have a chance to rest all right. See Section on top of that or before that. Yeah Yeah Yeah on top of that. Yeah and and then coming home and then having a baby who wasn't even six months old you know yeah and going right into nursing a fulltime and having you know the seven year old yeah each myself and so it was. It was pretty rough. It was a lot of stress. I mean now I look back it whatever you know. It's just Kinda like well. What you live sir you deal with it? That's how I look at things people we're like how do you do it happened. Like I don't know I just do you. Just you just go on. You know. There's no point complaining because this is it You know it was I. I don't know I just kept going and going and I started up the working out again and everything in my life was pretty okay and then I think that I was. I remember sure I started being really tired. that's like the first thing I started just being really really tired. Yeah and for no oh real reason you know it was kind of like I started writing down on my to do list. I started writing down sleep on my not. Do this man to rescue need it but it and I remember like everybody around me was like Oh. You're so tired all the time mm-hmm yeah and But I was still super active. Still just like go go go go go all the time You know I was doing this activity in that comedian. This whatever and you know and I think it was probably in will in twenty when he twenty ten I think I remember I did a used to be really big swimmer swimmer. Zimmer addicted to swimming and I did a five K.. Like Ocean swim lots of out in the the ocean like any a Ann. I remember that it took me a long time to recuperate. And it was the second time I had done it and I thought Oh because the older you know I did the last four years ago so and I now looking back I realize no I was already Dick then right you know that we did to them but you didn't know it then I didn't know it then. I realized it was just be a long time to recover like it. Just the muscle. Soreness you know and I mean I've done marathons ice run. Five K's ten K's relative to New York was just. I'm really used to doing those sorts of activities right recovery. Looked like like you expect worn out afterwards but you don't expect to be like dragging ragging at dragging for days or even weeks sometimes. No actually the the thing is oftentimes after it was like a those types of events for me like a drug like I did a marathon in twenty two thousand two. I guess and I didn't need any recovery time just like Greg Nothing. Yeah Yeah felt great. You know after I did the first ocean. Viking Ocean swim on no big deal right back to swimming right back to kickboxing and all the other stuff I was but this time it was a long time and I didn't even get back into the water like months afterwards. And and what did that feel like like. What did the Recovery Time. What was happening or was it just like more tired more heavy? You know like you said you didn't notice I noticed right away really really store And started really painful and I was just this is my body just felt really heavy. You know I did all the normal things and I was wondering who's like I'm eating normally but it was like a one of those things use like. Okay whatever just line or you know try harder. That was always in. You know for me that was always my mantra is like keep pushing keep going you know. I was always the one who was like pushing everybody to work out. Push everybody to do more and I was always you one. WHO's like okay? Everybody Sunday my house aerobic. Let's go back. Let's go yeah I was the one got like a group of friends together to do this. Ocean swam a Mike. All right ladies. Let's go train. I had the training. I mean that was me right right you know like most intense exercise are in the group for sure yeah totally I got my son kickboxing when he was like like seven. You know just all in just absolutely ratings. Yeah and so I think for me. That's when it it kind of hit me I. I wasn't able to. I think it started. I guess maybe twenty twelve. When I'm really really started to notice that I could did not work out like I usually did? Yeah and that's in twenty twelve. Probably when the pain started. It was just I used to wear. We're a weighted gloves for thing and I couldn't do it anymore and what not. Yeah how did the Mark Cutts Weird. I don't know it just it just started. You know it's just started. I just noticed like a bump into the door frame yeah. I've always been a bit clumsy lake despite being like Bump into things bump into the door frame it was like Oh that hurts. Does it hurt mortar talent. Your skin almost most like light touch wood. Yeah any touch her a lot in so An images like if I was sitting down in hard chair you know like a what do you call those cast iron chairs. I think it's called. You know. Look outside outside the just hurt like patio chairs and stuff like that. Yeah Yeah that that hurting and I was I just I just started to get really really tired and so I thought I maybe knows his family. beatty's silent issues. Got Those tested right away. I thought well maybe it's something to do with that and I'll also I started gaining weight And I'm like Oh can I be gaining being wait. I'm still working out like crazy. You know my diet hasn't changed. I was like yes. Something's on I knew news. Something was happening and of course everything comes normal. We'll all the blood were everything comes normal except for like my magnesium was low. Oh something so i. I don't know if I started taking magnesium right away. I don't remember but talked to a friend of mine was a pharmacist. Like I know this doctor who's really good. Go see him and so I I think I went to see him. No I'm sorry before that happened. was having all these symptoms and I was like East like a knew. Something was wrong Besides limp beyond just stress and beyond all that right ends one day I think it was like June third in the morning in the morning. I couldn't get up. I couldn't move. I couldn't lift my leg. I couldn't lift my Arm could lift my head and just like and that was I know. That's impossible to describe. But how does that feel. It's like a heaviness in like you're like being real sick Kinda right like your muscles aren't responding. Almost my my reaction was. I'm paralyzed now. That was my first prescription. That was my right. The first thing went S- my brain was like paralyzed. Yeah because it was like I had I was sending me signals from and my brains to my body and my body wasn't reacting and I would I remember like in my brain like okay arm move. Yeah an arm when crashed scary too because of thought dramatic. It's well it's really frightening. It's frightening being in now. I look back I see. I see the Work up to it you know even it just hit that AH are yeah Still dramatic change even if you were like tired and kind of achey before this is still a really big difference out of course. Yeah Yeah Yeah and I and I couldn't move and I called in the morning. I'm usually the first one up and I it called and called and called my son who was probably I guess he was like twelve thirteen at the time. So is big enough you know and called Minsk assume and I'm like lift my arm for me. Yeah and he lifted my arm but I couldn't really feel him lifting my arm and I'm I'm like lift a leg for me. Lifted my leg. But I couldn't help him Brian. He told me like deadweight. Yeah yeah so it got me got me moving like in a happens again like in the beginning of my illness I happen quite often that I would just be stuck sued. Wake up high distracted. Yeah I'm stuck. I wouldn't necessarily wake up like back Number so it might happen at other to. It would just happen at other times in Seattle like if I would lay down because I was pushed myself too hard and so because I I was in the beginning. I wasn't pacing. Yes as I was learning about pacing. I was learning all this stuff right. Well it's it's like the opposite of what we're told we know like and especially when you're really active and your doctors are telling you that being active is the answer. It's of course. Yeah no yeah exactly and so I mean I still had to like I said I still had to go to work on my mother. Yeah Kids Yeah. It'll hit a pay the rent row. Who's get a table? There's not a lot I was. Yeah there's I didn't really have choices in Zell and I still have that mentality talapity. No just go go go. Yeah and At that point. Did you go back to a doctor like that morning morning when you felt paralyzed so I didn't see a doctor right then. Okay so you're still trying to adopt pushing through and don't really know if there's some what what it might be that's going on. Yeah and I was looking for a doctor. And that's when I spoke to my friend WHO's a pharmacist. In I know this doctor really good I went to the doctor and he diagnosed me. Well first of all he did like that knee jerk tests. You know that that need your test. Is that what it's called like for your reflections yet for reflexes and My my knee jerk like my knee didn't move. Yeah that happened to me me when I was in the mold house actually so yeah really. Yeah it's weird. I know it's supposed to happen. It didn't yeah. And he was actually kinda frightened he was like. I've never seen that before. He was like you're in a really bad state. Yeah you know. He's it is he. He was old he was like really really old. He was like seventy five yes. I shouldn't say that should I not very PC. But I'm just saying the same that because he's had a lot of experience you know. Yeah Yeah. He's knocking sticking around for fifty years and in he was never seen a need a dozen. Yeah here's like no we. Yeah it's so weird was really I was really we really like rock bottom and so I guess it was like that was Jus I did have some vacation. I don't know if I mentioned a teacher. By the way I okay breath that came up and yeah you said your school but yeah yeah ask speaker and I'm lucky with summer vacation in so I had some time to do you think on what he said. Oh sorry he diagnosed me with this. He said I'm not sure. He say in English destroy. I just don't stony thing which is like a movement disorder. It's like painful and could be. So that's when he diagnosed Eh yeah and so he put me on antidepressants. Okay and Because he was like well. Are you depressed. And I'm like well. Yeah yeah but not necessarily the because of right look. I'm not sure that came at that time. I didn't have the knowledge that I have now like now. If a doctor tells me I can explain myself I can explain. Well the difference between Emmy and depression. Yeah you know automatically. I have the word for that but at the time because I have suffered from depression in the past right you know I. I knew this wasn't depression but I didn't have the words to say and so I said okay. I'll take the anti-depressants even I'd never taken them before. Despite having about Russian yeah and Dec- yeah and and also obviously didn't work. Yeah but this is one of those things that I just wanted to add. This is one of those things that I think can be really interesting is like sometimes I think because there isn't really early a good understanding of like why antidepressants are effective in certain people or whatever it like antidepressants are used to treat so many different symptoms really elite like Earth and. I think doctors do a bad job of explaining that to people and navigating that like I think it I think for most most of us different if the doctor was like listen. I don't really know what's going on. I know that sometimes antidepressants with a lot of weird stuff. So why don't we try them. That would be really different than when doctors are like well maybe depressions causing it. Let's treat the depression and then it feels like exactly what you're saying like well. I know I'm I'm not. I know that what I'm feeling isn't how depression feels so That's not helpful. Like he just weird thing i. I don't know I'm really frustrated. Did Right now by the way that that happens so much. So I've been thinking about. It does happen. Yeah that's happened a lot. That's why it's so important for us as Haitians. I don't know if that's the right term. But as as sufferers to be well read and to know you know it is out there and I saw another doctor this I mean. I'm jumping ahead in time but I saw another doctor who knows fibro Because I mean I'll go through my other diagnosing minute but in I talked to him about symbolic data. I guess it's I think it's called yet in Zimbabwe known to work for certain people who have fibro and he was going to. He told me I was like he was going to suggest that as a treatment and But I already knew what it did and how it can work and the good and the bad bad of a new that and luckily I did. Because he didn't spell it out right now for him. It was just like ignace. You'll you'll you'll be better. Yeah take this what happens. Yeah and yeah. It's like in the first part of your story just that you don't even you didn't know Oh like how to talk about it or what questions to ask. And that's what's so hard like you get further into being sick and you start to learn about it like kind of like you're describing right now but it's so frustrating starting to think back and realize man that Dr wasn't helping me the way that I needed to be helped. No because I think that they just don't know. Yeah it's it's like you said you don't know and so so after I think after that of first doctor I started doing a a lot of research and I came up on Yahoo. There was an article in it was a picture of a woman and I was like. Oh I like her hair. Yes cupid and I read the headline and it was like something about an illness but it up in so I read it turned out. It was jen brea. Actually okay. Yeah and it was an article about her And you know she had any and all this stuff and I'm so I'm like okay. Let me research us in. So they have Like a good checklist. So went through the checklist. Because you know there's no diagnostic test. Yeah and I do checklists and I called the doctor who's also a friends who in he's the one who helped me through the whole cerebral malaria. Okay meningitis you know. And I contacted him and I was like look. This is what I found and can we do this test together. Like the a checklist here. Because I don't want to do it with him right. You're like. I'm not coming up with a diagnosis. I'm asking you to look at the criteria Syria with me. Yeah that's what it is the criteria and so we went through it and then it suggests to all these other tested. Make sure it's not M. S.. It's not it's not bad. It's not this is not that. Yeah and so. We did that whole thing. That's how we came to my diagnosis of emme. Basically go but that it's like no. Yeah he's really open. He's really good and he was fantastic and so But I mean there's I mean he never heard of it before right. Had you heard of chronic fatigue syndrome do you know oh just as well eat heard of PF s that he had the ideal CFS like many people. People have all your desired right right. It's not like a bigger systemic problem. Right it's not like a really big deal. Yeah you you know. Yeah and you'll get over is you're just tired you know Yes vacation you know whatever they all say yes and but he was very open and so we did all these tests and everything and so but at that point I was pretty much pretty much housebound like I said I went to work Came home like crawling I had to. I moved house in the meantime so I could be close to my job So I can actually and solid cone but I would actually have neighbors who like helped me walk to my door and I would just fall into bed you know. Yeah yes I know exactly. Yeah and so I did. I did get a lot better. I mean obviously way better than I was Then but then My partner at the time had a friend WHO's a doctor in he was like so oh he would come in he got me to do other tests also Just to rule out other stuff. I got that that brain thing neurologist. May they do that. He keeps rain thing where they put those things in your on your hand stuck to. Your head is called on that what it's called I I actually don't know what it's called but like with sensors right like lots of yeah did that and that was horrible. They have a lot of hair. It was just gross and net. I went to do and when they did the whole test with the the needles Beatles. You know they just went through a whole bunch of other tests Yohannan nerve conduction on stuff. Yeah I went to Cardiologists and he diagnosed with the pots. Like the the tilt table without table but the thing is just like lie down. Yeah lie down setup standup Yep and and then the neurologist. You know she checked five. The pain point yet. You know in fibro yet and I had the required number whatever in so she was like you know you have fiber over at the same time She said well in that time I was using a akin and but she still said well. You know maybe what if you try to not use your pain. Yeah just push battle. Yeah I mean in. It's it's so funny because on one side they listen listen to you and they stand. I don't even know understands the right term but they understand you then they're just like well we'll get rid of your Kane is. Hey just go work out the canes the problem. Yeah the problem problem. Yeah Yeah so anyway we. She was An inverse theory was that everything everything that I had been through with my spine. You know step into role in the cerebral malaria and meningitis. Says says the not having any time you know when she said really not having that convalescent she said that was this really detrimental. Yeah yeah is it not time to recuperate. Yeah you know and then just working in the you know added onto being single mother right. Yeah like there's no time to rest in in that kind of a schedule anyway. When you have kids and a full tab and everything like that I know and and the father's not being around like not even around? It's like a immoral support. Even right you know all and be like a this is what's going on. Can you talk to yeah. You know you're NC not and whatever and deal with that for me. No none of that right so I mean I don't complain about it was you know. Yeah Yeah I mean the honest about how hard something is i. Don't think is the same as complaining you know. I think we can do that. Yeah I never I never did complain. You Know Oh and so when when about but was really hard is when I got said that was really that was difficult. That was It it still is. I mean it still is if a boat but just giving up Who I was? Yeah plus I got sick when I was forty one I guess yeah and so I don't know I've always wondered wondered was it. Is it harder when you're older when you're younger. I don't know if there's a there's a definite answer it's an impossible question I think. Yeah I mean in and it just it depends on the person I mean it depends on your perspective. I spilt but Because I was older so yes so I had my kids live. Lived a life you you know well younger people will think not GonNa have kids or you know it's just it's just different perspectives. But I find that like getting sick when I'm it was forty one. It was so oh difficult because I had this whole this whole person already. Yeah I was a full blown adult. Yeah you know I might analogy. was there my character. was there Who I I knew who I was? Yeah and then I write in and I remember I was on on this. Despite the he'll click and I remember talking about it on there and there's this one woman I will always remember her and she told me she. He gave me the greatest advice and she said you just have to. You have to bury that person. Yeah you have to the person you were very that person and you have to just leave. That she's like it's a corpse is basically yeah. That person doesn't anymore and you have to say this is who I am now and this is going to be from. I'm now on and I think that it's difficult. It's not it's not by any means easy but it's that really really helped. Let me say okay you know what I just have to let that person go is. This is the new knee. That's it and I have a new normal. I always called it. My new normal yeah and now has just become normal. Yeah Yeah Yeah I think that it resonates but there's so much grief and I think like it can be really. Yeah and it can be really easy to get stuck there which I feel like it's Kinda what you've been saying about the letting go it's like it can be really really easy to go. Well maybe I can just do like a different version like instead of swimming five kilometers in the ocean which is very far. You know I can do a smaller version and find a way to still like get that feeling and yeah and it can be easy to kind of get trapped like chasing those things. which doesn't I mean I can never find any new things of course but like it's hard it's I'm just I'm just agreeing with you? I guess no it it it. It really is hard in nine thinking away. It is why I don't WanNa say it's harder because I don't like to compare but I find it being older. It was seemed like it's harder because you have so much to let go of you know so much of your let go of in so many people around you who've known right one inversion you. Yeah and they don't know how to deal with the new you. Yeah you know yeah and I mean I really basically lost all my friends yeah all were friends quote unquote friends told the drop me. Yeah completely dropped me. I'm so there was also back is solution. I mean And I know a lot of people live with ice elation all the time and I've read about it you know people post about it and it really isn't issue dad's Adlan isolation that you feel. Gosh you know I mean and I was very lucky because I had a partner at the time who knew me before I was sick and so going through those first couple years it was. He was really really supportive. Yeah Yeah and he was really trying to find solutions for me and he was very understanding and that really he was really the only only person who's so and so and I have other friends who live far away and though they knew I was sick but they didn't really understand because they live far wasting steamy. Yeah and it's if you don't know someone who's been through something like this. It is really hard to imagine it if you don't on CNN. Because we don like I say this all the time because it's true like we just don't have meteoroid presentation so there's no like oh like that character in that movie like it's not a thing people have no idea. Yeah people have no idea and they have no. I mean it's not something as as well known You know like if you walkup when you say oh I have cancer. He will automatically can identify. Yeah like not identify personally but they know what it is and they know what it entails tales. Right you know yeah. Even some of their ideas are wrong to like general picture. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And so they And what I found is that Unfortunately I had One friend here was still friends with and I also worked with her and She got cancer is she was one of the friends who had kind of more or less left me in the whatever you know uh-huh and She got cancer and so I was around. You know go see her. We'll talk talk about it and I mean she had a really horrible horrible cancer and she actually apologized to me. Yeah and she said. I didn't realize what you're going through. Yeah she's like now now that I'm sick I'm like I can't imagine what you were going through and we all let you down. Yeah you know and it it would it took or somebody to you know it's like they have to even though it's not the same the illness it's still no hearst. Her life still completely changed. You know yeah exposure. Yeah yeah this other other way of living again yeah. It's not the same but it still a drastic change all your relationship Your Ability Nicole. You're you're ges. Yeah you know you're yourself questions all the time. What do I do and she was also a single mother? You know so she was like okay. What do I do I kids? What kind of parents might get beads? My kids You know that you have all those questions. Yeah Yeah what I don't know it's so hard to like okay. How am I did a date? How am I get a right? How am I gonNA parent? How am I going to travel? You know every thing revolves around that illness unfortunately yeah so many things into consideration. Yeah plan so carefully just to like keep going. Yeah Do you really do you know. And the thing I had another friend. Actually who got ill. Nothing Super Major Major. But she was really really sick I think she got really by a case of the flu or something and she was down for like two weeks Chiku afterwards and she was just like God like how do it she was like I went through. Hell I thought I was GONNA die. Is She was like. You're telling telling me that this is how you live every single day of your life. Yes like how do you do you. Just do yeah she was like I would've I would've killed myself. There's no way I would have done that. That's not helpful. No Yeah I mean whether helpful but it it was just like it was just her. No I know it was like you know process again and realizing what she hadn't seen before yeah exactly absolutely and so it takes somebody being. Yeah that's it. She was saying I couldn't move out of bed. Eat anything you know. It was like well there you. Oh how was that. She was like. Is this really what lifted. She's like that's like this. She was eighty. Whatever I'm like? She's like I always say like sort of describe how I feel in terms of people can understand. I say okay like every morning I wake up up like I'm hungover even I haven't had anything to drink. Palo her with the worst flu I've ever had. Yeah yeah that's kind of it. You know. Yeah that's right. I mean he's hungover he can't move if you're eighty you know your throat heard now is just like you know every single overlay. Yeah Dingo Day and it just goes like you know and actually yeah I wanted to. I wanted to tell you also when I I read the name of your podcast. No end in sight. Yup I I really connected with that. Yeah that's it no end in sight you know. Yeah Yeah I really feel. That's how would you like after you grieve. We've maybe you're like. Oh no this. Is it now. This is my new normal. That's like you said. Yeah but there's because there's no end in sight there is. There isn't something that I think. All of us with wooden whenever you're chronic illness is I mean it doesn't have to be Emmy doesn't have to be I roll your chronic illness is I mean it could just it could be diabetes. Whatever it it like there is no end in sight? This this is something they have to deal with for the rest of your life no and taking to have in your brain yes Yes in it in it and also the impact on the people you live with You know whether it be partner has been what what you know. Yeah I see the affected. Has You know my children. Yeah I actually I really want want to write a piece on that. I think I mentioned to you before I wanted to start writing to be said about parenting. Yeah with with me. I mean it doesn't have to be any chronic. Illness let a see the effect it has on my children. Yeah Yeah and it's it's hard. It's hard on them. Yeah Yeah and I've definitely I don't have kids personally but a few other people that I've talked to because this is also an age thing right like because for you. It happened at almost at the same time that you were becoming apparent. I know I know you got much sicker earlier when you're second is born but it's like I've talked to people who became sick at sort of different phases in their parenthood. So some people Komo who chose to have kids after they were sick and then some people who got sick when their kids were like teens or maybe even older or you know and kind of everywhere in between gene and it does it really it. It shapes that experience and I think that's important to talk about even though I personally am not the one to talk about but like yes right about that you know people it matters. Yeah and I think people are like well. There's so much there's a lot of guilt of God. That's the first thing the first word that comes to mind is funny. You should say that because the first thing that goes on is guilt. Yeah yeah you know and see like my son. He remembers me when I was well when I was super active. Yeah and because I didn't get sick until he was like like twelve thirteen Really visible right now. housebound ill whatever but with my daughter. She's you know she's seven years younger than him. Yeah so she does remember me when I was well. Yeah and so will pull up photos of me from before and Dan. That's you Y- at another person. And now she's getting to be a preteen now And so she's getting close and this and that you know voice start telling her her 'cause I always used to wear eagles She was used to wear high heels. Might yeah ask your brother because your brother because he he remembers it always wore high heels and I never wear them anymore. Yeah I can't imagine wearing them now for like I can't imagine them regularly. I warned them every single day like I was written in Paris in the metro wearing high. The ORANGEVILLE Yeah I'll go to work wearing my heels. I mean it was just even here. I don't I don't I hope you can imagine like what the landscape is like here Senegal but like my street is is just sand. Yeah literally stand end. We don't have a lot of Asphalt roads and so even that the sand just walking on my tippy Taylor's workout on its own and I I'm I'm I'm still do like if I go out I still wear heels to go out L. but I flat to go and get to the place I put on my heels snap because I know they ceded most of the night. But it's like just pure vanity Eh. Yeah which is fine. I think we can keep that stuff. I'm pro vanity like give up so much. I mean. I'm in my pajamas. I've been pajamas. Most of the time now like get into it. When you're able to you know it's nice to feel like yeah? It's nice to feel like I mean it's I don't think it's the same as like trying really hard to keep your old self but it's just nice to feel I don't know whatever we associate with like normal or healthy or whatever like I have make up on my hair. I'm here yeah I totally deal. Yeah I have like okay where I live. We have Taylor's like if people who can make our clothes so I've like designed all these dresses that are comfortable optimal and are pretty you know like with these fabrics designs and everything in so I have my my clothes made so so I feel like Jake I look good you know and also to have these dresses made. You can't really see my legs. If I'm like Zombie Walk Day. I walked like Zombie but at least I have some semblance semblance of normality. I guess it is. I don't know yeah. Yeah even m walking cane at least you know yeah I can sort of like feeling like that part of your you got to keep that part of the yourself. Yeah Yeah Oh I don't I don't know I think it's like I do. I am able actually do go out because I used to dance. As well like part of physical activity I dance salsa and stuff so I'm still able to go out and dance once in a while. Yeah which really really thankful for. Yeah I mean I can do one dance and I have to sit down. I had to sit out like ten and then I go dancing days. I sit out another ten dances but I can still do that and so I can still wear jeans and acute top and I I will put my heels on but I can't dance them. Idea but unknown is like barefoot dancer. But you know it's nice to be able to really really thankful to be able to because I know there's so so many people who can't net at all yet But if I just do it once a month sex might my personal goals like okay gathered a house. Even if you Dan just go out of the house go put some makeup on you know. Get some cute on and go. Yeah because it's your personal Ol- if your mental health is well. Yeah definitely I definitely think that like you some you. Can't sometimes it depends. Sometimes you just can't take care care of them both at the same time like yeah nuts no you can't I mean I actually I guess this does speak to my vanity. But I'm also I'm getting older but I had eyeliner tattooed on crazy right. But so because I do it every day I can't put make up on every day and I can't usually at at night when I come home too tired to take it off. Yeah like okay if I have it tattooed on at least it's there. It's like it's handled. You don't have to think about it. I don't have to think about it right just throw lip gloss on and I can be presentable but see the problem with that. Is that the people. oftentimes don't realize is how sick right like a catch twenty two right because when you do go out of the house you WanNa seem. I don't I don't want to use the term normal. I know that's not really you know. Yeah but you being ooh I don't it's like you don't want to stand out like you don't WanNa be obviously identifiable as like a sick person. Whatever that means whatever whatever that means it's like it doesn't have no I don't WanNa be Mike thing is too is? I don't want to be pitied. Isn't I think it's a fine line that that we we walk when we're chronically ill because we want people to understand but we don't want to be pitied. Yeah yeah so I find it. It's like I want people to understand. Try to build awareness around me like at my job You know But I don't want people to pity me like Oh poor saying oh you know whatever I really hate the I know the person needs well. Yeah I don't get upset about it but I I don't I just want them to understand. You know so that that sort of a fine line. Yeah Yeah 'cause they also think it's interesting testing like when it comes to stuff like mobility AIDS and disability of like I. I don't think like I don't mean blending in as in like nobody can. We know that you are disabled or have anything going on but like sometimes it's just nice to look awake even like maybe I'm using the military aid but I look like a person who knows what's going on around me and I don't think like that you know it's like there's this kind of subtle things. Yeah US I mean where where I live. It's that In this society I live in there. You don't see a disabled. The people You don't you don't see them. You don't see people in wheelchairs. You don't see people With any disability at all with canes or anything even you know mentally challenged people you don't see them at all and that's the that's a cultural thing. Yeah so if I'm walking around with my cane people are kind of like the price. Yeah you know. And they're looking at me like what is wrong with her. Not In a bad headway but it's just unfamiliar. Yeah it is really. Yeah because out of people unfortunately here here who have disabilities are beggars in the street right. You know it's like a large them into added like support networks and stuff. Yeah it really. It doesn't it doesn't really exist and people if the children children who are born with disabilities are hidden. oftentimes they're hidden in so people. A A person in a wheelchair is oftentimes a beggar. I mean I've lived here now for sixteen years and I think I've seen one person in a wheelchair there is actually working in a company Once yeah yeah it's just not it's just not ought not done you know something that So that's I mean that's just that's just a cultural thing you know. It's a developing developing country. So the mentality is. Hopefully it's developing you know like towards acceptance. Yeah I know yeah inclusion. Yeah thirty took fair. Yeah there's a lot of work to do a lot of work to do here on a lot of levels you know And so I've been thinking. I mean talking about awareness I had one doctor who wanted me. He to create An association here FIBRO because most doctors here no are familiar with fibro. ABRO and even in the Francophone World in general emmys just doesn't exist like nobody really talks about it. in but they're familiar with FIBROMYALGIA so in fear doctors are to a certain extent. So this doctor was like yes because you know you you you've done so well for yourself you know basically on your own. Yeah And I have become To a certain extent like a reference person Mike. I've had like Johnny Call Me. I have this patient here. She's presenting with these symptoms. Can I give him her number. Can you talk to her And have been put into contact with other Patients and whatnot. So it's Dr WanNa meet you. Create this association like just to build awareness me like a support group right because exist there are people here with the right of course definitely with fire. Will maybe with EMI but that you know not diagnosed it sounds like probably now. It's now it's not known at all. It's really not known as like you mentioned. They're just like yeah whenever you know. So that's ax something. I've been contemplating a couple years. But it's just the paperwork is so difficult Are The getting there from here. Ear thing it's also I'm dealing with very patriarchal society so Even even dealing if I had to deal with doctors here like building awareness with doctors They mostly be men and Tom I mean that's like a whole nother conversation right. There's there's A I don't know a certain attitude to towards women you know and I don't know with very accepting of a woman not any lease coming in and telling them right trying to educate the man medically kind of it would. Yeah Yeah. Yeah and that sounds like it's the kind of thing where there's so much the work involved not just the paperwork like you say. But that's a ton of Labor Labor to keep having these conversations and keep working with people and getting run down by how hard it is and then going back like. It's yeah you're going to have being a pretty big undertaking. Yeah it would be but I still would like to yes to have a support group for people like for for patients. Yeah At least half that yeah in either. I don't know how the the whole with the doctors could work but I really. I think it needs to be done. Yeah it really does but just a just the idea Going and talking to those male doctors. That's yeah authorized. You WanNa do. It sounds like but the connecting with patients. Yeah Yeah Yeah exactly exactly so I mean it's it's a it's a it's a very common. It's kind of complex. I hear you know in so so it's Like foreigners are seen as being so different. And so if you're not the Senegalese than your different yeah and so the so even though I am a person in a color here not it's you know it's like it's like weird you know just culturally early a different space so the way that I don't even have good words but I feel like I got what you're saying. Yeah no I think so. Yeah yeah initiatives like the the religion plays a big role in Culture plays a big role in. So I'm just like oh I don't. I don't know if I WANNA do that. Maybe just your work with patients but right now I just don't have I don't really have the time and I don't really have the energy. Yeah big thing right. Isn't it though I mean and I realized also like in the last maybe ten months. I guess I've been in complete denial. But I realize this like last week. My health is on down. I'M GONNA decline right now. Yeah do you feel like stable. In between I've been yeah I've been for years at Bryn pretty stable. I you know I'm not resting. Yeah but I've been in I had a pretty good routine. Had a pretty good pretty predictable with this. Illness is so unpredictable. And it's been relatively predictable. Relatively I could you know do a manageable. Yeah it was pretty manageable my activity level Went Up Yeah I could I could. I was managing pretty well. I had some dips down. You know but I would come back up. Yeah but now I've been on this downward yeah I know and and and I guess I was in denial. No I think they're so hard to see I. I've definitely felt that way before it's like months will go by and I think you just said it's been almost a year you know months can go by and then you stop and just say like wait a minute. Six months ago I was for me. It'll be like six months ago. I was actually using my computer for a couple of hours every every day and now I only use it every three days like something is happening. Yeah Yeah and I think you're just used to like coming out of that. Yeah Oh yeah. That's normal for a week but then two weeks ago by three weeks go by yeah and then six months yeah exactly exactly inside had dipped than blasted you know three weeks or whatever put it all come back but this is been I mean I guess Ooh four I guess school out like in June and I thought Oh God thank God you know summer vacation nation. I'm just going to regroup because I've been crappy crappy time like six months. I'm like it's okay. You know I'm going to regroup getting it back. Whatever it it'd be good and then I crashed in July I was like basically Yeah Yeah and was a much better and I went back to school in September in. I mean I was like Ryan every morning the average Maureen so aired and and then I I just realized I was just like I think it's one of those. I'm an downcycle right now. Yeah no things are actually harder right now. Yeah and I'm like okay I have to readjust I'm going to have to. I don't know re whatever ever in order to find some kind of equilibrium. Yeah kind of. I've never had perfect balance. You know I've always kind of felt like I'm just fobbing like top of the lake. My head is just above water. You know always kind of way but at least will my head was above water. You know. Yeah that's my equilibrium will back him right but now excited I basically underwater hosted the time coming up for air like every other day but You know so I don't know I have to. I have to figure that out but it is so hard because it's just like I have to work and I just WanNa take off work like Oh. I wonder finding get two months off work. Yeah you know yeah wonderful. I don't know I don't know just keep going. You know gap keep going and see I now will I mean it is what it is you know so I just figured out. I just don't know when I'm going to actually have time to figure out what that will look like yet yet. Will I'm like what do I. What do I do? You know 'cause I had what I did before Mhm Am I don't want to do. Yeah and had you liked you do more of that. Yeah because before so I think it sounds like pacing meter really the difference for you and you had tried a couple. Were there any medications. That did help before. Even if they don't seem to be held now well mostly my what I he will I take I take them at all every day. Fifty grams every day and I take magnesium Ziam which is super important for my pain and it does lessen my pain like like as far as I mean if I don't take magnesium like you can't yeah not touch me mystery meeting yeah So the macneice does help with that for Anything else I take. I take Multivitamin I take probiotics. I take Omega three like high dosages of Omega Three MHM What else in that? I take for energy. I take a n I think it's called. Co Yet. I think co Q.. Ten beyond who knows is that I don't know how but that's basically my daily you know. Yeah in that in that found out just the research on my own yeah and trial and error and trial area. I would try something I was in the beginning I was really I really tracked rethinking the beginning. Yeah you know I do my symptoms feeling like every Marie part of the day like four parts of the day like morning noon afternoon nights with what I was taking the time of day was taking it and the results very religious decorate religiously and it really helps every helped me a lot because you're out what worked what didn't Yep But Salau it's a lot of work it is and there are things I'd like to take like. I wanted to injections of of a beat. Well that won't help me that. I can't find it funny. Who will be the injections and I tried to do it myself? I can't do it. Aw Tell me frustrated yeah let hurts. Yeah somebody else doesn't. It hurts that I can handle it but I can't do it to myself all right like choosing undo it was harder. Yeah but I mean that's I mean that's basically without the only thing that really cannot live without the channel and the magnesium the others and will probably the probiotics now but everything else I feel. I think I stopped taking it. I don't really feel the difference. Yeah I get that. It's it can be so hard to tell with some stuff I feel like and it feels like you can get into almost ritual for. You're like well I'm just doing it. And these are the things that I do. And hopefully they work together to have a good impact or something. Yeah Yeah Actually I. I don't know like Omega threes. It helping me supposed to help my brain function. Yeah so it it. Is it helping. I don't know I'm still pretty out of it. Most of the time ed how added it would be without it. Yeah like hopefully it's better than the baseline. Yeah and that's what you're talking talking about the being kind of into Klein right now. And that's what always I feel like. The first thing that I end up doing is like going back to that way of thinking in 'cause it's like one. Can I run any experiments how do I muster up the energy to run experiments and pay attention and all that stuff but if it works or if it helps it will be worth it and then the other side is like do I go back to the doctor and see if there's anything else we can look into or something else that we can try on the medical side. It's all a lot of proactive stuff. I know you know I'm just thinking through it. It's like now yeah collective. Bingo activist is exhausting. Costing yes it really is like I think you said it earlier. It's like a part time job really being jacked in. You know it's kind of like I mean I know you're married now but it's like I tried dating you know like tinder and whatnot yet like part-time job in trying to date and so Same thing being proactive and looking into Like research researching and finding treatments and trying trying to find new treatments and everything. That's exhausting and I wore myself out in the beginning. I mean I was going to all kinds of different kinds of I was going to. Like healers ars lead traditional healers that we have here yet he tracks stuff. I went to I don't know if you know what a mob who is a Mahboob. I don't know what the English equivalent is. I guess it will be sort of like Not a clairvoyant. But maybe like a witch doctor. I don't like that term uh-huh okay but in that it's like yeah I can look. I'll look it up after now. I'm curious but in that way of thinking. Yeah I mean in in a Mabul is somebody who's a like a look at your throughout cowry shells their re things in the sand and bathe in you. Know like all this Thinki- crap you know they got to bathe in you know and I like I'm captain crazy stuff like hell it'll help. I don't care if it if it will help it is worth it. It doesn't matter how weird it sounds when you try to explain it. That's what I think. Yeah I know exactly you know. Even at one time this was before I knew I was sick. I went to with a girlfriend of mine in then she wanted to go. See this like clairvoyant. You know like read your car. Serve Rita coury whatever. Yeah I went with her and and looked at me and he was like. Do you mind if I ask you something. And I'm like go ahead. And he was like take this mirror. It was like a piece of broken mirror put in your belly button like under your clothes rights. I put it over my belly button under my clothes and he was looking at is a broken mirror and he was like. You're ill he said you're very very ill and I was like no. I'm not untying Ya. Yeah it's like okay and then that was it in two years later the yeah two years later later it became obvious that that was true. That would be unnerving. Yeah Yeah but I've got a whole bunch of people you know new new. They've given me discussing things to drink. Yup had to bathe in plants and certain craft and whatever. Yep but I'm like I'll do it I don't care I don't care where it comes from care whatever you know I'm just one one guy he. He actually sacrificed advice to a What is it a ran? I guess was it a ram is that what you call it the horns yes and also gave me the Hor- one of the Horton's like wrapped up in a thing and I had to go bury it midnight in the sand the beach. uh-huh yeah totally crazy right but I did it. Yeah so totally I was like I don't know so it's really it's really I know for people like in the West. It seems so far fetched in everything but it was with this friend of mine. I told you about earlier would cancer. Yeah she and I both went to die if he could heal us. Yeah and so. We both had these things to do. So we're like okay girl. Where together in this? Let's go try it. Yeah and it's like it sounds far fetched like you said in a way but I feel like no matter where you are. There's always like another new and interesting thing that you can try that you would never expect like people do all kinds of weird tags to try to get better and you just. I never know like sometimes weird things work I think like I do think it's a problem that some people are really predatory charging desperate people a lot of money but I also think that weird things work all the time and they're worth like if you're able to try them and it that feels like a good idea then why not well all the way I look at it like I'm willing to try anything that stuff I'm not GonNa do anymore because it looks like it's it's it's very time consuming and these guys are like out in villages. I you know to our rights away and I'm not like I'm not willing to do that any level. I'm pretty much to try. I'll try anything you know to. Yes to pretty. I can't say okay. That's not the right term. But I'm I understand that I won't be cured Lord. I don't think I'll be bird but it's about it's about your quality of life I just want my life to be better. Yeah so if I can you find that will help my quality of life and and then the quality of life of my children. Yeah then that yeah. It'd be great. Yeah heritage is said you know if it's I mean a try Simba that was horrible You know the antidepressant for fibro. Whatever that was awful but I tried it in work and now how yeah like now? It's time to see what's next when you've got the energy to figure it out whenever I mean right now I'm just like I told you I'm just trying China's stabilized right now. I'm just trying to get on and I'm really just need a rhythm. Yep I'm very off off kilter. Yeah right now with my job because I have a different thing doing work. Instead of that is me a killed her And then so because I work at at my school and then and at my house. They also have Edgy workshops with kids at my house. my house. I work like all time and I think that is a big. The Bachelor is well. That's a big factor as well in my My decline I think is too much work work. Yeah like you're you're kind of. The pendulum has swung to the side. Where you're pushing too hard again? Maybe even if it's in a different way yeah no I am I now I am. Yeah but it's just. Yeah it's like I need money to live. Yeah my son's university. I would like the expensive even if he is in France which is a lot less expensive than the. US unease still needs to live and he still right need. Someone needs something eat. Yeah Luckily job. So he says he oh he had some like a little part time job So that the bit but still. It's like yeah you know being a lot of people with chronic illnesses like you know you think about your future you know like I don't have a job I don't have retirement right. I don't have current plan. You think about your future you think. Okay what what happens if I can't work anymore what happens you know you think about stuff like that. So it's just like so your president stresses you out in the President Ya A- and of course and is there like is there Any kind of disability support that could be available if your health changed changed in Santiago. I just don't I don't know anything about that. Although I do know that it's really hard to qualify. Anyway with EMI FIBRO. There wouldn't be actually because so I'm an American citizen. I'm a Senegalese citizen. An and with my job I I had like a Senegalese insurance. This instance company like they don't they won't provide any kind of Like if I were to be hospitalized they cover maybe like twenty dollars a day. Okay even if it's expensive here I mean that's like you really don't want to go to a public hospital here okay. Yeah no so l. And as far as disability goes no I would not system that you would be able to participate in now. I mean there there might be but it's it's so Have like the amount of money that you would get on. Disability is so small. Yeah that it's just not it's not livable right and especially not with kids etc.. Yeah and I mean it's a very. It's very very poor country. Yeah and people live on set like so little here that ah the government doesn't really have a lot of money so what they hand out. It's like and I think I do have a retirement tournament plan I think with my with my will like with status at my job. I think my tire men be something like sixty dollars a month or something like that which is exceed dollars a month? Right what it sounds like. So it's not a it's not. I wouldn't get anything disability. Wise you know choir our you know if I had to stop working for whatever reason I would probably have to go live in the US. I guess with my sister with my mother or something like that because they're in the US. Yeah so I don't do right. That's not plant them. Not because it though I mean it's a major people. Yeah Yeah I I've been living on my own you know I'm almost fifty so it's like I don't think yeah. Yeah that's not plan B.. That's like very far down that list. Plan D. Your plan your plan. Yeah I at this point I really don't I mean I really don't have any other. Plans is just like escaped. He working. I did have one doctor. Who told me he? This like you know if you continue working like this in five years. You're you'RE GONNA be in very bad shape. Yeah Yeah you're like. Please tell me how I can work last and still pay my bills. I don't I don't yeah. He didn't mean it in a bad way no no warning but yes it's sites Har I do. I do have to figure out. I'm trying to figure out how I can work less and made money right. That's a whole other. That's a great question but not all I know we can solve and like the next ten minutes kind of thing but we know but it's something that I really have to think about because you know like can I live on less can I you know so but see. That's also just the stress and right like the day. I can't think about that because I'm I. You know when you have your health issues to deal with the other things that you can't deal with you know what I mean it's like you can't handle like I've lived maybe like two months with like no with like lightbulbs eight bulbs out in my house. Two months yeah. Is it bleeding. Yes ask me. Oh yeah definitely I mean I think we all know what that's like it's it's not. It's not about laziness is just like just about. Yeah I totally agree. Yeah I'm just trying to figure out like how you eat. Yeah you know now how to make to the kitchen so I can eat something you know how I can make it to the shower. You know I yeah. Yeah and to have a shower which is tough like just one thing at a time. Yeah exactly exactly exactly which we all have to learn all right. We'll have to learn how to how to. I think our perspective on things changes so much like what's important and what's not important at leased personal you know. Yeah Yeah I get really difficult. Sometimes listen to other people talk about their lives. They have the normalize and it's very hard not to be judgy and I don't I don't WanNa be judgy but I'm just like that's your problem but I really try hard not to do that. Because it's like each of this has his or her own right crap. Yeah I don't want you know what I mean. Yeah we all wrong. I don't WanNA judge somebody else's problem as like in say. Oh that's not a problem. Yeah but it's it is uh-huh yeah. Isn't it difficult. Sometimes when you hear other people go on vacation this year because aright yeah no I hear what you're saying because it's like both it's like on the one hand that that first reaction of just like Oh. I remember when that was a problem that I had a now. It doesn't even rank but on the other hand it's like getting getting into the kind of like judgy heads phase can be like toxic for yourself right like completely like 'cause 'cause like I know you're saying that to that you're you're saying it's like difficult but that's the thing it's such a knee jerk reaction because you're just like it just reminds you sometimes of how much your life has changed compared to somebody. Maybe maybe whose life is the way that you thought it was years ago. And you're like Oh my guy. Things have changed so much that this thing that they're complaining about is like doesn't even matter to me anymore but it doesn't matter. Yeah but getting sucked in is in a great place to get sucked in basically. Yeah but I mean and that's when you have to look at the upside of having a chronic illness in a lot of ways I think there are upsides to it. There are good things that can come out of it and I think it does help you. You have perspective. Yeah you know different perspective in really really appreciate what you do. Have you know. And what he do what you can do And I think you at least for me. I find that I appreciate so many smaller thing You know have a sense of. I don't know if it's gratitude. Would I think this is a stronger. A strong word but this is sense of appreciation of things that I didn't have before You know and I'm tail and because it's like my field of possibilities is so reduce might even feel that exposure uh-huh but Appreciating just like very very small seemingly insignificant deficient things and that is an upside. You know it's dislike. You do change your perspective. You do see a a things from another person's point of view you know especially Like if I do travel I'm in a wheelchair you know and If we my son is studying Harrison so we went to to Paris dropped him off and so I wanted to around go to museums and everything. I can't walk around I. I can't stand for a very long time. Yeah for that so I rented a wheelchair. Well that totally changes your perspective. Yeah in how you look at people in wheelchairs. You know It it really does and so I think it That's good yeah. That's a good thing that has come out of my illness. I understand a the broader section of the population You know what I mean. You're able which is not I. I don't know if I like that term so much but if you're able there are a lot of things that you don't get You don't think that you'll think about that. You take for granted but once you're a disabled then you're like okay. I see these things you know. I understand things in. There's a connection another connection. You have with other people like even you Here talking we've never met You know but we have connection just because we have chronic illnesses and we can understand each other and I think that that's the added value. Yeah you know so so yeah there are. There are and something that I've been thinking about while you've been talking about. It is even just like things that I used to to worry about the. Don't take up any space in my head anymore Yeah like even just silly stuff like I kind of at the beginning here you and I were just talking about. I've been to a lot of weddings this summer. And it's that's all I did. I didn't do anything else but I've been able to do that. And that's great but my husband and I were like one of them was in New York City. Okay so we were in New York the great city of course. But it's just like it's so busy and people are waiting in line everywhere we're just like I'm really glad that we don't. That's not a part of our lives anymore like we're just we feel very relaxed and comfortable at like we don't stand around in lines very often and that Kinda it feels great and I know it's such a small thing it's small being. Yeah but it's like I don't worry about getting into places with lines that's just not on my radar radar and I. I'm kind of happy about that to be honest like it's working for me so yeah yeah yeah definitely things Mike all those little things you know all those little things inside Gaza. I don't know when I was in a wheelchair. We were in a museum in Paris. And there's this little girl who comes pass me. She's in a wheelchair as well as she was so excited to see me because I was also so in a wheelchair and waving and she was like how would you like. We were automatic. I mean she was like ten but we were like automatic automatic friends both wheelchairs so cute and it was really yet it was really cute and it was really like okay. We have a connection. Yeah you know we're in wheelchairs for different reasons and you know even if I can still. I don't think that she could get up and walk. I don't think she could walk. But even if I taking up and walk but I you know I still need this mobility aid and just there's this connection there you know. Yeah I think it's good I mean I've met a lot of people online that I actually consider friends. Yeah just to having any you know definitely that yes so there is I mean I guess it's not just look at the bright side but I think there. Are you know good the things that got me into mindfulness. I'm in my attic fantastic. You know promoted everywhere he up in and I'm becoming sort of like the mindfulness missionary. You know everybody aid. You don't talk about it. Books looks have this week the have gone all in for me like works for everybody. Don't have to be. You don't have to be ill. It works Australian Lady. Yeah yeah something that I wouldn't have discovered right. You know you might not have slow down that much ever now. No No I wouldn't have I wouldn't you know I mean and I I mean overall overall it is right now. Yeah it's like it my life is crappy it really is. But it's like I do say okay. It could be worse it's crappy but I still have this. They still have that in very very difficult to do. Oh yeah you know when you feel like physically like crap until mentally you feel like crap. Yeah and like. I don't think if we look we've been talking about some of the good things but it's like I don't think we have to be focused on the good things all the time. I think it's just as healthy to get mad and get frustrated and Mike let those feelings out too because they're so valid and so- understandable but it's kind of like the flip side. They're both happening putting you know. Well I think we have to. We have to see that something that mindfulness taught me is that just you. Just you have to feel all pure emotions like you have to feel everything. Yeah that you're you're wherever you have to feel it. You have to have to get it out because it it'll just eats you up inside. Yeah you know it's like I don't feel like with my illness you know. In the beginning people people like will you need to fight this. Fight this Mike No. I'm not fighting. No I'm not fighting illness. I'm not by the idea. The finding it is animosity it's negatively it's violence in so I'm like no that's not not for me. Feel good to you. It doesn't work for me. No it doesn't acceptance. This is what it is like talking talking earlier. This is the new normal. This is what it is And then from there. Yeah we're still trying to get better. You know we still find you know looking for different treatment and ways of improving our lives. Yes but it's not like a fight. Yeah because I find that just too difficult is it's it's difficult to fight energy to I think like l. thinking about things that were takes energy. That doesn't appeal to to me. I know it works for some people but it's not for me either ill. Does it work for some people. I don't know I don't know it's I think it keeps keeps some people going. I don't know what it means for it to work or not work. That's a good question but well yeah I guess it is young now. I told you earlier but my friend had cancer thing attitude. She was dislike. I'm not fighting this. Yeah you know because the way she put in with like she's like I feel so much anger as it is about being ill that if I add onto that the animosity positi that the idea of fighting brings to just like I'll just fall apart. Yeah Yeah I feel the feel anger. I still feel angry angry. Probably every day at some point in the day I feel angry that I'm ill you know but it's just like okay. It's their the anger is there you know and I've been sick for. I don't know how many I can't even count seven years. No I don't know but you still feel the anger there. Yeah normal but just let it go let it go. Yeah Yeah and I think like there's also something about I guess I'm sure it occurs to everybody differently but there's something about like I don't WanNa be on the opposite Vita a fight with my body like I feel that odds with my body so much already you know probably every day all feel that way or say something but like I guess probably some people think of it as like. They're fighting against their illness but to me the way that actually feels is that I'm fighting against my body and I like I don't I don't I don't want that kind of relationship by body even if it is a complicated relationship these days. I don't know I liked it. Yeah I like to imagine that we're on the same team even if we're not collaborating very well right now right. No exactly. I knew if you my illness. Illness as a separate being You know I don't know if I if that understand that but my illness for me. It's like a separate being. It's it's part of me but it's almost like I have sort of like a dual personality. SORTA like part of me but it's separate at the same time flick coexisting existing space. Yeah you know and and I always kind of especially in the beginning. I was like invasion invasion of the body. snatchers aiding in my my space. My Body audie literally when it's an infection. Yeah right but it's separate it's separate. It's it's it's like I actually i. I talk to myself a lot now maybe age. I don't know if it's age or I don't know what it is. which is well? I always pretend like I'm just talking to the dog but I'm actually just and but I I actually talked to my disease. You know just like you just leave me alone today. Could you dislike emir break today like I just you know it's like separate from me even if it's at me you know yeah somebody that I follow on twitter. I think somebody that shows up on my twitter they the person who has ms I don't talk to them very often. So if they listened like Hello I have recognized your screen name on that anyway they have. MSN THEY NAMED THEIR MS. I think grover and they just talk about ms in the third person like as an impact. Yeah exactly yeah. I haven't seen mine mine. I should actually need it. Yeah it's something really horrible like Old lady name like Old Lady Name. Yeah and like. I shouldn't say a name because I don't want to offend anybody. But you know has that name is like just. I don't know what is like some horrible Greek. God do something like maybe Hera Hera was evil sometimes so yeah it's something I really feel like separate thing and I always felt like it was that that that being or whatever especially when I went to periods of rally or feelings of I just feel like that what was coming into my body and just taking up it was like a liquid in liquid form. Just going through on my body In pain and heaviness and it was an actual physical being you you know and that I don't know I don't know if it's a way of dealing with it. I don't know how I've always been it. I never never felt like finding it. You have asked away Yup. Sure away for good. Just leave but I never felt like fighting. No yeah that wasn't for me. Yeah no look how long we've been on here girl. We've been on here by two hours. I know we've been talking for a long time. So is there anything that we haven't talked about yet that you've been thinking about before before we wrap up. I don't think so I told you I totally realize it was today. Luckily I went on twitter and I. Luckily I saw my email. That's how out I don't even realize it is the tenth of November. Yeah no I was just like Halloween was just like eighteen minutes ago. Yeah so I didn't really I don't really have any thoughts in my head like yeah. That's okay I don't think I think most people don't really repair but sometimes it's like maybe thought of something in the middle and managed to remember and saved it but I mean like you said we've been talking a long time so I think we've covered a lot for sure. 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#103 - Samahe Sabir - Part 4/4

"Hey remember to subscribe and follow my podcast are released new episodes. You get a notification and follow me on Instagram. Yes. King Oliver I am very active on their have a great day and enjoy the episode. So, I was ten years ahead of this. The property dot whatever right. Home tap dot me forward slash. John Whatever. Goats contact dot me slash John, which essentially the INSTAGRAM DOT COM for slash. Yes. King. Oliver. How was ten years ago? Okay. I was well at my game I spent four hundred pounds on this Guy Creighton, his website I gave he's not a bottle of whisky to code something that you could send a photo to the APP and it will appear on the category because that point there wasn't an ability to just upload. Like he does now and bearing in mind on talking about what it was the iphone four. Right so I mean, yeah, I should be a billionaire and I plan to always saying back then was going to create the biggest social media out that I was going to be a billionaire but I was just ahead of my game I was thinking too far full about always. I was drowning my own brain activity. That's what the threats was. It was just too much ideas too much. Brain activity was I can take you tomorrow's buying fucking rock here, and it was just like adroitness of crazy right a man So I kid threats coming off medication against doctor's orders against parents orders. There was get back on their neighbors friends he needs to go back on it. Because they just follow the system but coming off, allow my brain to process all those thoughts which the medication slowed down. and. And then the twitch disappeared. Yeah. No that's that's true. It's not usually medicine treats the disease and they do not treat the person. They do not treat the patient. It's It's a different approach definitely different approach I watched recently I re watched an interesting documentary about healing and about some people having all of sudden these rashes or skin cancers or a cancer in the brain even and the doctors didn't know how it occurred. Where did they come from? Well nowadays, we know exactly that it's shift of energy when you're. stressed or you're overthinking you're not taking care of you as a person and I saw some people who actually recovered while not say in no complete to the medicine but they decided to work on themselves as well that there is a way I can control my mindset and I can change my belief system and enjoy this process. They healed some of them. They had cancer skin that was never discovered before they do not know how to cure it in the person all of sudden they. helped. Heal, from Oden with energy that was drama from their childhood that was trauma certain relationships, they needed to take care of that in a normal Doctor usually is going to be treating the disease itself, but sometimes, it's should start with the patients. Probably they're going through a lot. They have had a lot of traumas you need to take care of those in order for them to be able to receive sometimes something that will help them more than the medication, Yup. So. Yeah. I was I was thinking today actually you go to a doctor and Say, I've got this probably would have A. Right here look on system topping the symptoms and it was say Elvis Word fucking down syndrome threats whatever. And then say, Oh, list of therapies or medicines or prescriptions that are the patients had it will put off his thing. He goes the the shop he hands on with thing and they give it to you right It's like they are trained to look for the symptoms provide the medicine rather than actually like Oh that was it. I was on very powerful at Caen medication because I had boils on my hat. Right my dad was like you don't need that. But almost like the head he's suffering, my bad could win. Because it was against him and so he just the bay took these toddlers talking everything was drawing my gooch, my nose, my eyes the fucking everything. And experts came back when I came off air and. I realize now that. For example dairy. Milk cow's milk. has of testosterone no, it creates a lot of testosterone. If got oily blocked pause, it will increase testosterone levels in your body, which essentially increases the oiliness in your pause. So if they're blocked, it will just build up and so I've always drunk milk my whole life. I've always had really bad spots. I came off milk for three weeks because I just for no reason, I was not stressed also eating bad had these tiny white spots around my mouth. and cut out bread thinking it was bread. It wasn't a milk sports disappeared and always having a milken milk and and then I came out on the milk for three weeks off the woods saw being having mookie in for like three or four days. I've got these white spots back and I looked online and it was. The increase of testosterone nearly skin. So threats was creating a lot of stress stress meaning pressure under my skin which meant hotspots mixing it with my dire. Didn't help, but to touching my face washing because we're told to wash off as which as knocking off the scabs making our face dryer. So then you put creams onto new moisturizer, which then puts shit inside the pause. It was like a fucking disaster no matter what I did I have bad spots and simply will not stop wash my face when I stopped taking any creams and medicines and I stop thinking meditating and a good daughter sports disappeared. So what I'm getting is that You said something about Oh. Yes. So we don't want the dog so he didn't say oh Are you drinking milk? Are you drinking bread? Milk and bread before you this fucking powerful medic medicine. No he destroyed the prescription and it was like is the same thing for everything people treat the cancer they give chemotherapy whatever they didn't ask like. Are you fucking like. Traumatized by abuse when you're a kid or they did ask any of that and that's because they're not trained to ask those questions and I blame the doctors that Drops Goats University about twenty years ago that's twenty is outdated. Provide prescription should you wish to get therapy? Department I don't blame the doctors. It's just crazy when it's so obvious and when you so aware. It's like. Even if you wanted to be like, okay cow move because he's not a Dietitian he's qualified is a Dietitian yet dietitians shit because again following outdated knowledge from the day and we're the smart ones you just. It's just this or snow. No matter what you Saadi is still comes down to just keep it natural. If Man Ray is probably bad fear if. Applauds. That's amazing and. I see the difference for example, between myself and my parents especially my dad. So I grew up in Morocco. So of course, until certain age until I was I was sixteen seventeen who were not still in our food stores colonized by motorization and importation all of that. So I remember my mum going out and picking fruits vegetables like four that day cooking us the meals like fresh. We never had any problems. I never had any spots never had anything. And, then we started including our dietary new elements. You know all my God this is coming all the way from France. Let's try it. This is coming all the way from Mexico this is new fruit. This is new this new that and my dad was always always on the defensive that he was like, no, I like my own voile, my homemade bread and Mitee. Thank you. But no, thank you. I'm not gonna eat that you guys enjoy it. And he is eighteen years old now and he never had any major diseases probably he's losing a little bit of his eyesight because he used to be a taxi driver and then then he used to be working a lot with his eyesight all day long, which is comprehensive he overworked is but other than that he never had any issue Niki reminded us of that I'm like, no dad we need to keep up with the trends. He's like the TRANSA- killing you don't you look at yourself once I started eating all of that like look at Your Body Weight Look at you faces look at this because that it he loves bring it old pictures and showing us like. That you guys would good out send eight. It's just so so funny but it's so true. Yeah I definitely agree if it's planted by person probably it's not good for you but it's like if it's a nature, do eat it in nature is going to provide you the essential things seasonally. That's why you should eat follow in the season and what's required in U. S. fruits and vegetables. For example, during winter, you're gonNA find lots of lettuce and oranges why? Because it's flu season and you'll buddy needs all the nutrients inside of those elements for your body in some you're gonNA find one nowadays people are eating watermelon all year long mangoes all year long it's it's definitely not a good thing. Yeah. It's like it's wise. So many allergies or everything like peanut. Dairy allergy everything in is because. For example, Chinese coach. Chinese people let's say two former from the first eight to Chinese culture. Now, it could have been like, say fifty thousand years ago. Right Africa you say it was only say twenty thousand years ago Spanish ten thousand years ago English. To one hundred, thousand years ago right? Different coaches, I've I've kind of Ah vo from different diets, overtime, different countries, different tribes, different biological systems. So the Chinese are used to having tumor it can lots of routes like ginger and powdered spices English people we don't really have much spicy shit because forever reason, right? We're just east to digest. Assistant Job Right. So India Asian cultures, Jesus Spices, and herbs. You can say silly lots of grains and French lots of grains and French bread. So you can have you got more tolerance for grains and. England more tolerance fodder. No one ever. So when you go to another country and have grains from Greek can. Amazing fruit from Africa miss her from China in this thing from India just because it doesn't mean an English person or an Asian personal Chinese person or a black person doesn't mean they can eat it because we're human. But apology, our biology is not the same. They've had generations of ancestors eating the same type of thing. And that you'll give him his person like specific not from. Zimbabwe which no one's ever and it's like no one is reacting because. Never. Heard of this down. So, again, he's slightly you bringing stuff that your biol- biology hasn't had time to build up an immune for hence why so many kids as I have allergies to everything because they're not just eating. Vegetables in, GRANDMA's. Garden they're in fucking vegetables and all this other ball shift mother place around the world, and he's like you're not supposed to be not. So much issues. So yeah, your. Eight is old, is correct stopping as you think, he might be no in my apple for my garden. Why he's eight years old because he knows his shit. So yeah. I should be following. That's totally true. Canadian. Polo this Portuguese Mellat Meddling Canada lot wherever we more like fuck you. Yeah Yeah. That's true and I noticed that people when I came to Canada for civil my digestive system was like all over the place. It was like going nuts and the other thing is people especially in Canada we do not necessarily have a country that is known for its agriculture. So everything is imported everything is important. So I see I have witnessed so many allergies in here that I have seen in around the world i. BEEN IN EUROPE HAVE BEEN IN AFRICA I've never seen people with so many allergies as I've seen in here in. Canada which explains itself usually back then with minus sixty degrees minus fifty degrees they used to eat bread because they have cereal and here they used to eat potatoes and lots of cottage cheese that's it but they didn't gain weight from it. They weren't sick from it. They weren't having any issues from it because they were. In all of it with minus fifty minus sixty going out there trying to grab a salmon from Lak-. I duNNo. A rock of ice out debt. You burn that nowadays, they kept that they added everything that's imported from USA or from Mexico because that's all of the agriculture is coming from Canada. All kinds of allergies sometimes I'm sitting on the table with some people on in a restaurant and they're like, no peanuts no gluten. No dairy note I mean, what are you giving that chef to work way these kind be creation a bus, the PC it's like insane. It's really insane Sassa thing. I open up a restaurant in today's society I'll, be. Shit. Scared. Like fuck open use a spoon that had not on A. Person Dies and then you Sumi and then I lose everything like opening a restaurant is scary and why see like big businesses like my donaldson calf see that's that's suiting everyone the Vegan they've got the fuck converged off they've got. Dairy free the fucking everything free because they want the business. Forgetting. Is that a small minority of people who have allergies? So it's almost like door want to gain an extra ten tempus of business knowing that one person could sue baby and I would lose say five years of prophets. So it's almost like you just have to shut your doors and say look. If you're Vegan politely fuck off and you can often path and be like Uber. So Me Veganism Vegan that you will racist for Vegans let bullshit you just got be look. But you have to basically put your foot down and say, I can't serve you kindly go elsewhere sue everyone's need yukon like create a fucking transgender toilet and a fat toilet and the black toil and a Chinese toilet because where does it end a toilet fucking midgets the toilet for disabled like this is going to be ramps and fucking everything everywhere it's not realistic it's. Like I used to work in a restaurant right? You'd have a disabled which wouldn't get clean because no one ever uses it for one person occasionally who rose in in a wheelchair and it's like all that space all that effort all of that is just like as a business, he does not make sense to have that one toilet because I'm disabled, my might fit your. Boost the word against disabled people and it's like it's like it's unfortunate. But. For a business is just not viable to do a mason peanut free this and Derek because it's virtually example somebody on a somebody had a sign witch right and they died as a demon Jane UK. Right? They had a sandwich thing and on the wall not on the Sandwich Labor on the war says, please check for allergies. She presumes that it was okay because she was a fucking idiot right and she hates it I mean, she died and had sesame in right Amanda Suing the company. Responsible it's up every company to sue every fat person black person to save a person to person Guinea person what Wi fi fucking ipads for kids is not for the business to provide everything be responsible. Don't just presume that that thing is going to be a Kafer you ask questions but blaming serve you one. The labels yeah, and read the labels. So many people they forget to read the labels I'm like, read them for example, sometimes I'm with a Muslim friends and they all the time they say I do not eat meat anyway. I need. And this and that, and I'm like, listen you want in Canada. So by definition, meat is processed differently than what you used to. If you're not asking the question, you're making the presumption that they did it on your own turns, which is not okay because you're not living by definition in a Muslim country. So you need to be asking those questions. If you do no longer want to ask questions stop complaining afterwards when the plate is in front of you and then you're going to start asking that waiter waitress. Is Suitable for me as a Muslim I mean is it her issue to be with you need to be asking before you are already served and this is something that gets a little bit on my nerves sometimes when we're going out until they seated everything and then they start asking the question I'm like nowadays especially with Internet you have menus of restaurants, specifications and everything you could even call ask before going all the way they bothering. So I agree with you, you should be responsible of what goes inside of your buddy if you are. A precise as a person that you have. So many specifications you need to be taken care of. It's like going into a fish shop and asking how they got safe and then they say what you stay customer I is about the customer customers raw fuck off to a birch this the fish monger, you won't stay Goto Birches is working restaurant. It was a chilly restaurant truly chicken restaurant somebody came in three hungry children right and he said if you got anything that's not Chile I'm really sorry chilly fucking restaurant I feel great. It's going to pay Jerkin. Yes. As marinated in a sauce still. So they come into Chile restaurant expecting to have playing chicken and go into a fish place asking for steak getting on a grump when we have there is just outrageous. Outrageous. It's a it's expectations people nowadays we keep on speaking about client is the king and the client comes first, but we need to educate the client as well that you need to be rational with your asking at the same time. The this is so funny. The other day I bumped into someone and the shampoo and like shower or I'll and she was looking every single item and she wasn't like really knowing what she's looking for, and then I was like excuse me look if some specific I'm not working there but as another human being scared for her like she was turn it every single jointed something and I was like, what are you looking for and she was like, Oh, I don't want anything that has been tested on animals. I don't want anything that is. Cruel I want it to be Vegan and I'm like, okay. These are like your standards. Yeah. You know where she was buying this she was trying to find all of this in a Walmart. which comes from China. This is like whole chain of cheap items I'm not saying it's cheap quantity, but it's not your precise Vegan shop for everything that was related to bath or anything no you're not gonna find that necessarily and I was like probably go to a more specific placed that serves those things. This is like Walmart we're going to find a shampoo so five dollars. A two dollars do you expect the company to be cruelty free, Vegan and all of that shit which dollar is it's it's politics. It's impossible and thank God I knew some Brandon and I was like this is the least harmful thing there is in the whole place you can use it but please be aware that this is not the place for you. It's been looking for what you're looking for g she looks at me in a disappointed way and I was like, yeah, life is disappointed disappointed when you keep on having such expectations. Yes I could because we live amongst people who are as aware, we shouldn't attack these people. Flight for being like that because we still have to live by the basic late. Symptom, you can't teach a a deaf dog to to listen to a whistle because he's deaf. So there's there's a middle ground. I cool. Let. Taking the piss out somebody. Feel own amusement. We've no not give. You not doing it maliciously is almost like somebody fools over yes. That's painful and I would wanNA fall river and how come for you but in a situation, which is only negative. Make it fun. Right make Joe, how how she slips on a banana and the shampoo went over the one and the ad on someone's head fell off my make make it fun. Right this person pull person looking for vegan stuff amongst the Walmart. Yeah. Could say she's not aware whatever reason but. Make. It enjoyable. Because we're gonNA live amongst these. Mindsets for the rest of our life you can't be like. Mutual. Because you you wasting an opportunity to be on a high if everything is going to be your dumb people versus pose people say rather than getting pissed off about your friend going into a place sitting down and saying, are you allow no and then you get up just often be like Fuck you need you not read the menu on the line Jesus make make a joke of it because it's reality and it's going to be stressful and when you see someone complaining about their peanut dairy allergy August stuff just be like. Is it worth even? Being alive like just trump. Jokes stop because it's negative and it's not fun. As long as you don't mean it maliciously and negatively. I believe it's okay to take a piss off somebody who's not seeing us at the piss out of them. If it's making you laugh making friends laugh as long as you don't have any malicious intent like stand up comedies on stage, they always say the most outrageous stuff but you're laughing orders laughing you don't mean it. Essentially making light of a situation which can't be made lie of an I feel is okay because you have to find positives negatives because otherwise you're left with negatives neutrals. That's true and sometimes that is the best way to transfer message I find it especially with comedy it's really really beautiful to to to be able to deliver a very, very strong important message up-to-date without offending anybody and everybody's laughing at it. But whether you you, you were aware of it or not as a receiver comedy, the message has been delivered because you'll laugh aches there is nothing higher of energy that you laughing at something it's going to stay with these. You'd like it or not. Yeah right plug anything you want to plug. Well. Just enjoy yourself skies. Any of you who are interested in mindset communicational wellness. Oliver will definitely add in the links for my facebook and my instagram other than that. This is always amazing. Thank you for inviting me. 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How Bad Is Prison Food?

BrainStuff

07:24 min | 1 year ago

How Bad Is Prison Food?

"Today's episode of brain stuff is brought to you by AT and T. And it can wait. Eighty two percent of people admit to using their smartphone, while they're driving were all used to seeing it. But ninety three percent of people don't approve of distracted driving. We feel awkward speaking up about it, and it's time that changed because it's not worth the risk a text alike selfie. Whatever it is, when you're driving, it can wait. So the next time you see a friend, family member or other human using their phone while they're driving. No that it's okay to say something. Distracted driving's reckless take a pledge to end. Distracted driving at it can wait dot com. A message from AT and T. Welcome to brain stuff a production of I heart radio. Hey rain stuff. Lauren vocal bomb here. We American prison system is an overcrowded sometimes draconian maze houses, more than two million people in more than one thousand seven hundred state prisons, one hundred nine federal prisons, or than three thousand one hundred local jails some one thousand seven hundred juvenile facilities military prisons immigration detention centres, psychiatric facilities, and on, and on, and on the many problems inherent in the setup are deep and disturbing often overlooked, but still critical issue the food and most lockups is horrible. What the system provides to those millions now incarcerated at the American prison system is too many nothing short of a public health crisis. Some might consider it a crime in itself, cruel and unusual. We spoke with Loretta refer a policy researcher for the advocacy group prison voice, Washington. She said, when we're talking about the quality of the food. We're not concerned with how the food tastes so much prisoners are not asking for tasty luxury food. They just want food. That's nutritious people think that prisoners are asking for flaming yawn. That's not it. They're just wanting food. That's not processed with a bunch of texture is vegetable protein and unhealthy oils, white flour, they just want fresh vegetables and fruit and a sufficient amount of protein, the challenges, and feeding a prison population that large and doing it cheaply enough. The tax payers, who foot the Bill. Don't revolt can't be downplayed. It's expensive to feed that many prisoners estimates range in the millions of dollars a year per state. It's complicated to as it is on the outside. One type of meal does not fit all some inmates requires special diets on religious grounds. A kosher halal, for example, or for health reasons like gluten, or dairy free, the rules on special requests vary from state to state and even from facility. Facility many prisons will accommodate requests when they can. But it's not always easy or affective, for example. An inmate in New York went to court in two thousand eighteen to four state prisons to recognize his right to meals that did not set off a dairy allergy in that were suitable for his diet, as an as right ju- a federal judge sided with the state ruling that the prisoners demands would place an undue burden on the state later an appeals court overturned that decision. The New York case noted that the upstate correctional facility has a kosher kitchen and a kosher meal plan, though, that wasn't suitable for Nasr rights, but many prisons throughout the nation. Do not have specialized kitchens because more and more have their meals pre packaged and shipped in from off site vendors in order to cut costs. Twenty sixteen report by prison voice Washington described the situation like this as correctional industries. Washington state's prison food vendor took over food services around the state. It gradually eliminated all freshly prepared natural food without exception. Every single, main course, is now a reheated highly processed correctional industries product with high amounts of sodium apart from the occasional serving of beans lean natural. Proteins are never served at any meal. Unprocessed meat is never served, for example, the word Turkey on the menu doesn't mean that inmates receive Turkey meat, but rather a processed formed product containing soy protein sugar, and some amount of Turkey material and even those simmered beans, a healthier choice, were only offered five times per every twenty eight days. Even if the food is prepared in a way that meets religious or dietary requirements, that doesn't mean it's nutritious or that the meal is balanced often if an inmate is say dairy intolerant. The dairy from the meal is simply removed. Nothing replaces it. Aside from special needs, meals average meal at an average jail or penitentiary is about what you'd expect often skimpy locking in nutrition and entirely unappetizing, and of course, cheap, according to the guardian in some prisons, inmates are fed on less than a dollar and twenty cents a day. Thanksgiving meal at Maricopa County, Arizona jail under former hardline sheriff Joe are Pyo cost fifty six cents. According to the Marshall project, which is a nonprofit journalism group that works on criminal Justice topics. The meal included a Cup of carrots a Cup of mashed potatoes, and the main course five ounces that's one hundred and forty-one grams of Turkey soy casserole. We're face said, just go compare those labels to like an organic cat food, label sometime, you'll see that there are a lot nicer cat food products that a lot of prisoners would prefer to eat. But they're prisoners, right. The argument that because prisoners have committed crimes that have warranted incarceration means they don't deserve anything, but the food basics ignores, a basic truth bad food leads to unhealthy eaters unhealthy eating leads to health problems, and that leads to excessive healthcare costs. A department of Justice study in twenty eleven to twenty twelve the last year that the national inmates study was conducted reported that seventy four percent of inmates in state and federal prisons and jails are overweight obese or morbidly obese health conditions that are tied to obesity, include heart disease, stroke, diabetes and cancer. A prison policy initiative analysis found that quote criminal agencies spent almost six times more on healthcare than on food, and who pays the incarcerated who must be treated for those types of diseases, the tax payers. So in the end, cutting cost corners by slapping, down meals lacking, any nutritional value ends up, costing everyone the national commission on correctional health care in a report to congress titled the health status of soon to be released inmates points out the wisdom, and paying more attention to what prisons are serving than what they're spending on food. The report said, prisons and jails offer. A unique opportunity to establish better disease control in the community by providing improved health care and disease prevention to inmates before they're released that starts advocates say by putting food on the tray. Today's episode was written by John Donovan and produced by Tyler clang brain stuff is a production of iheartradio's house to works for born this of other topics. Visit our home planet. How stuff works dot com and for more podcasts from iheartradio. Visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 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How to Manage Toxins, Heavy Metals, and Allergies with Dr. Vivian Chen

Generation V

1:12:03 hr | 1 year ago

How to Manage Toxins, Heavy Metals, and Allergies with Dr. Vivian Chen

"Yeah. There's just such a disconnect between what's published and known in the science, literature, and what doctors practice? Welcome to the generation v podcast, the podcast, dedicated to the young conscious generation of Egan's who are looking to make mental physical and spiritual gains. My name is Neiman. Delgado. Professional bodybuilder engineer and vegan lifestyle advocate each week. I'll be sharing inspiring individuals who will help you unlock your limitless potential and become the healthiest version of yourself from the inside out. Welcome back to generation be brought to you by vegan, fitness dot com. It's no surprise that. We live in a very toxic world from polluted water to be PA's PCB's, heavy metals, artificial, preservatives, plastics pesticides, these toxins around us can end do negatively effect every part of the body. Luckily, we're born with several detoxification systems, like the liver kidneys, intestines lungs emphatic, system and skin. However, whenever these systems are compromised impurities aren't properly filtered and the body is adversely affected and can even lead to allergies diseases and death. On today's episode, Dr Vivian Chen joins us to let us know what measures we can take to thrive in such a toxic environment. Vivian is a doctor who practice in the UK for fourteen years before moving to California. She is board certified in internal medicine and family practice in the UK and also holds post graduate certification in diabetes care and skin surgery. She is also certified as an integrative health practitioner and used nutrition and other lifestyle factors to reverse her husband's hypertension, her kids, allergies. Her own heavy metal toxicity. And now help clients he'll using integrative modalities through her company plateful health. She is a passionate health, advocate, and is the medical advisor to plant based news. Vivian also wanted me to remind you that before you implement any changes that you learn here on this podcast. Please always check with your doctor first if you like this episode, please leave a rating and review on itunes shared on social media and visit begin fitness dot com. To join our Email list to receive more evidence based nutrition for. Physical performance. What's up guys? Welcome back to generation v IM super pleased to have Dr Vivian Chen on the podcast today. How are you doing Dr Chen? I'm doing very well. Thank you my. I'm super glad to have you here. I am a very excited to have met you first of all we actually met at the switch for good conference. Right. The athlete summit. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Back in. Likewise. When was that was that I think it was Tembo man September two thousand eighteen. Yes. Anti flies. When you're having fun. But yeah, this is that's where we met. And I was I was really intrigued by your story. And some of the things that you were saying for those you don't know Switzer good is like a it's almost an anti dairy campaign that is completely push forward by doctors and athletes, particularly and we've had dot C Bausch on the show. She's talked about it. And if you're not with it, definitely go check it out. It's a really awesome campaign that provides tons of you know, evidence based information from both, athletes and doctors. So that's where we met. And I heard you speak on stage about a few topics. And I was like, Wow, I've got to have you on the show and discuss those in further detail so before we get into that though. I would love to just get to know you a little bit more because we haven't had the opportunity to talk much so and my audience may not be familiar with you yet. But they will be just a moment. So why don't you just tell us a little bit more about yourself, and where you grew up and then. How you got into practicing medicine, right? Okay. So I grew up in Taiwan. And when I was the teen years old my family moved to England because my dad's job transferred him them. So I moved from Taiwan when I was thirteen not speaking would of English to England where. You know, schooling, everything was in English. And that was that was a tough time in my life. But from very young age. I always knew I wanted to be a doctor, and it's probably because I was good at sciences, and I was just fascinated with human biology, but also an going to sound a little bit corny. But I think that old doctor's going to profession wanting to help people and an I feel that from you as well knee. My that you you you kinda just have this innate want to to help people and reduce human suffering. So that kind of drove me to pursue the the medical school route. Now, I went to medical school in London, and I absolutely loved every single minute. I was immersed in a science, and you know, followed the traditional conventional medical teaching. And then when I graduated medical school in England is five years. So you go into medical school when you're eighteen and you'll you graduate when you're twenty three I took an extra year out to do a degree neuroscience as well because I just love kind of exploring the details of the brain. So I graduated six years later kind of just ready to to be a doctor and do what I always dreamt of doing. And for the first few years, I practiced in a hospital. So I was an intern assed. And so I don't lot with medical emergencies like heart attacks and strokes, and that of my job was really rewarding. So I think the western medical paradigm works really well for acute medical situations. But the longer I practiced and the more kind of day today outpatient clinic patients, I saw I start to to not feel so rewarded by my job because I was dealing a lot with chronic diseases. And as a lot of statistics show three out of every four healthcare dollars now spent on chronic disease. So as doctors, we aren't dealing much more now with chronic diseases than acute. Illnesses. And I started to feel like what I was told. I middle school wasn't really equipping me with a very satisfactory way to help my patients because I was prescribing a pill for every ill. So every symptom that they had I was told from medical school as a pill for that those pills usually came with side effects. So they would come back to me. And so for example, a patient with diabetes who I would see from diagnosis after about five to ten years they'll be on five or more medications or maybe even injection. So I started to really kind of think is really the best way that we should be helping patients prescribing moment -cations and right around the same time. I had my daughter. And you may have heard a story which good. But basically when she was eight weeks old she was hospitalized because she just refused to feed. I'm just shortening. The story began a more show how much store details. You know? You can go you can go into the details. I wanted to know. And I think our would definitely like to know as well. Especially those that are mothers that you know. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, as a physician I thought I had figured out with pregnancy. And you know, having a baby. When you know, I prepared myself to breastfeed, I read up old literature, and how to breastfeed and lined up, you know, lactation, nurses, and people who can help me because I knew as of is this show, and I saw a lot of mothers struggling to breastfeed. So I lined up all the help that I could GAM, but she from about three weeks. She's not to to not breastfeed, probably she would conflict, John, and then come off and looked like she was in pain, she would cry and then just turn her head. And you know, I just didn't know why she was doing that. And then you know, the lactation says were saying, oh, maybe it's to do with the lodge. Try this try that. So I tried practically everything on the sun. But she continued to get worse. So I took her to my doctor who diagnosed with reflux, they put her on reflux medication at first it was just one. And then when it didn't work they increase the does. And then added in a second one and things got worse. Actually, even though she was on medication to the point where she actually stopped feeding and she got so dehydrated that she has she had to be chewed fed in hospital. So they passed a what's known as a nasal gastric tube, a cheap that goes through your nose straight into your stomach, and they fed her that way now. You can imagine the kind of. I don't even know what the word to use his. How destroy a mother would feel and especially a mom who wanted to go into medicine become adults to help people who then couldn't even help her own daughter. That I think is the epitome and moment. Everything kind of turned upside down for me. And I instead of kind of believing everything I was told at medical school and just not not doubting the medical paradigm. I practiced in I really stepped back and thaw, hang on a minute. Why is nobody able to help my daughter, including me, not to brag, I actually graduated second in my clause of at medical school. So it's not like I had lack of knowledge I was very knowledgeable in the western medical paradigm. So. That was kind of turning point at which an combined with my feeling of not being so rewarded from my job anymore all of that combined together then made me look into a different kind of way of practicing. So just to follow up on story on my daughter's. I actually had to do my own research and through my research, I realized that she actually has symptoms consistent with a dairy allergy. So it's an allergy to cow's milk protein. So not lactose the protein in milk. And usually that's either casing all way. So she was actually breastfed getting the cow's milk protein through my breast milk because I was eating dairy at the time. And then her got. Was reacting to the protein and becoming inflamed. So the every time she drank my milk. It was causing her severe pain. And that's why she turned away and stopped feeding. So once we realized that in the situation was so dire that I actually didn't have time. And actually, it was in the right frame of mind to think about things like, you know, dairy elimination which I now kind of recommend to mothers who might be experiencing the same problem with children. But at the time. I was just kind of told by the doctors, let's switch to a hypoallergenic formula. So that formula is free of dairy protein. So basically within a week or two she's knotted feeding by herself and so going from so I thought point had to give up price breastfeeding and go to bottle feeding with the formula, and she went from kind of turning away from my breast and looking like she was paying just by looking at food to actually holding the bottle and feeding us off. So so that was another thing that was not taught to me medical school because I didn't know that of defeating can be a symptom of dairy allergy. And then I stopped to to kind of ask myself. Why was not why was I not taught that medical school? I know we know. Law about allergies, but mainly the kind of itchy IT NFL lactic reaction where you know, you'll throw swells up and you'll lip swell up and your. Risk of star series medical complications. But actually the more research. I did the more. I realize that this this kind of iceberg of people who actually allergic or intolerant to foods that. We just simply not taught to recognize that group of people at medical school. And that's why none of we soul. Many many doctors Ford vice and none of them was able to suggest dairy elegy as a possibility for her. And even myself, I didn't consider that until I did. Adele. Yeah. My own research into scientific papers. And this is actually the white going back all the way to nineteen sixties and seventies documenting all of this. So it, you know, there's another kind of moment of. Okay. So what else have I not been taught at medical school that I now need to educate myself on. That's such a powerful like powerful story. I can only imagine the helplessness that you felt you know with the newborn child and just. Yeah. Her inability to feed, and and how that must have made you feel and just especially like you like you said being a doctor and being medically trained to be able to handle these types of things just kind of left you with your hands in the air. Like, I don't know. What to do? That's yeah. That's such a profound kind of lesson or I guess trigger for you to start exploring other things like you mentioned. So where did where did you find this literature? I mean, you said it was a valuable did you just start digging through different medical journals and kind of trying to diagnose her symptoms by process of elimination had how does that work? So as a doctor you have access to old medical journals online. So you kind of just have to go to pop med which actually everyone's go. Access to. So if you just go to pop met on Google than type in keyword that you wanted research like so at the time, I used things aversion to feed not feeding in infants and then things will pop up that's kind of linked to those symptoms. And then, you know, these papers that really old were pop up, and when you read is kind of just mind blowing because the symptoms, and and then at the same time, I discovered things like rheumatoid arthritis and other medical conditions may be caused by dairy allergy as one and again, none of that was talked to or not to me anyway in the medical school, I attended and that was in, you know, nine two thousand so. Twenty two years later these scientific papers documenting these conditions still didn't make its way into medical textbooks, which is kind of mind blowing and actually. When I was practicing as I so I did internal Mets some focus for three years before I switched to family practice, and when I was a called eulogy intern. That was when the China, the China study was published and. I you know, we were so sent stunting patients, and they were still kind of going home or eating burgers in hospital in the recovery ward. So it's kind of like hold on a minute. What does just such a disconnect between what's? Published known in disci- literature, and what doctors practice, and that's kind of what prompted me to go different direction. Yeah. I completely agree. I think I've had I've had multiple doctors on the show, obviously. But I think it was Dr Khan that said like, you know, like the western kind of paradigm of medicine is like they treat lung cancer in the in the surgery room. But it's like they're selling cigarettes, you know, in the lobby, you know, it's the same thing for for the cardiology department. You know, it's like the these people that are suffering from heart disease. They serve the food. That's killing them in the cafeteria in the hospital. You know, there is a huge disconnect there and not to say that it's the doctor's fault, and maybe the systems fault. But I think that should be definitely taken like, I don't know. Some changes have to be made. I think that the conversation is now happening within. The medical community with things like em and all these coalition of doctors that are getting behind and teaching more about integrative medicine and kind of the lifestyle changes that aren't so. I guess apparent to us like Mike, you said like this dairy allergy that your daughter had. I mean, how many people suffer from from dairy allergy the figure is extremely inaccurate. Because if you don't recognize it, you can't diagnose it, right? So I think that there in lies the problem that we don't actually know and just from kind of anecdotal inexperience I think is a lot more than what is estimated in the scientific literature, which is anywhere between to ten percent of the population. So you see that wide? Variation depends on how you diagnose it. And the problem with food allergies is that there is no gold standard right now. So what they use is a skin prick tests all a blood test which looks for antibodies, but those antibodies picked up on the IT type. Which is associated with an F Alexis. So the more serious kind of reaction, but not the delayed type reaction, which is what my daughter had. So she didn't have the lips Wellings. She didn't have any rash. She she hadn't no outward typical symptoms of an acute allergic reaction. That's why nobody thought of that. But she had the delay type reaction where the bodies so is different class of antibody. And usually kind of itchy g or g a. But those can cause inflammation in target organs, for example in her. It was in hukou it and cause inflammation there too. And then, you know, you get the symptoms like pain, indigestion or inspe- children. It could be diarrhea. So there's a a very rare condition e o e so yes on a isn't a affiliate is of giant is where and that's kind of quite an extreme manifestation of this delay type of allergy. Can you? So is the definition of allergy something that produces antibodies in your in your system, and what is the difference between an allergy and intolerance? Right. So and yes, exactly like you said, so the allergy usually involves antibodies so the immune system is activated. So it could be delayed or acute, but an intolerance is usually due to the body not being to break down a food protein. So for example, lactose lactose intolerance, that's an intolerance because you don't have the enzyme to break down lactose in your body. So that could also be a intolerance could be due to poor digestion. So you know, you could be intolerant to Sutton proteins because your body lacks the ability to to break those down. So intolerant symptoms usually tend to be a bit mild up. But it doesn't mean that econ- KO's. In effect your daily life. So a lot of people have blow teen they have fatigue. Those kind of, you know, mild us in terms, but it really can have impact your quality of life at the same time for from your experience or maybe from the literature out there. How many people in the population is estimated to have like a lactose intolerance. Very between populations. So it depends on your kind of your ancestry. So for me, so I'm Asian Chinese and for us. It's kind of between ninety two joint ninety five percent lactose intolerant. Yeah. So and then vocations is Loa. I think the figures around twenty twenty five percent for African-Americans between fifty to sixty percent. So it really depends on what your ancestors ate and your genetic makeup. So I mean, I mean, it's pretty safe to say that a large number of individuals out here that are consuming dairy products are intolerant. And or allergic to maybe not to have such a cute symptom know showing the allergy, but a lot of people are probably consuming, dairy or lactose and have these allergies and intolerances and our experience in these cry. Onic symptoms of the Teague inflammation. And they don't even know it. That's right. Yeah. Nuts. Absolutely my experience. So after I kind of came to the realization that does this kind of delayed reaction, and there is so much. Intolerance of food in. In my patient population. I started recommend things like, you know, dairy elimination elimination of highly allergenic foods from patients who are coming to me previously. I would be saying, well, I don't know was wrong with you excluded. So many serious conditions. It's probably just you have stress in your life. Or, you know, I don't really know. What's going on? Let's label as irresistible bow. You know? So after that, I started to really. You know, really be able to help my patients because just recommending elimination of dairy has helped so many of my patients with bowel symptoms acne fatigue. It really like I personally think that dairy intolerance is a bigger problem than talked about in. Medical in the medical world. So I think that just you know, if you have a mystery symptom where doctors con help you then looking at whether you could have a food sensitivity may be good place to start. What are what are some of the most common allergenic foods? I mean, I know you mentioned dairies on people have an intolerance to weet, which I guess from my understanding could be due to the like the the life of say. Yeah. Glide procedure the roundup or the pesticides that they use because I've heard of people having intolerances to wheat in America, but not necessarily in Europe. So what are some of the most common, I guess symptoms and causes of these food? Intolerances allergies was the top ones all dairy egg seafood in adults knots and the top top one in children is milk. So. And. The more I practice when I first qualified. I didn't I never ever heard of allergy to rice. Okay. So my first patient who came to me and said they're reacting to rise. I was going to like no you making. It's not documented there's no way anyone can be allergic to rise. But you know, it's now very well documented and used with seeing this so many patients developing new allergies in adult hood, which is something that I didn't used to see either. And I think that comes down to the fact that all got function is compromised. So that area is compromised because of the way we're living like you mentioned earlier life assays a big factor in producing intestinal permeability. And when you have a gutless leaky, then these food proteins, which usually is kept out of the the body the immune system because of the got Baria would is now being seen by you'll immune system and demeans kind of light. Hey, doesn't new thing. I've never seen it. Before. And if it decides, I don't like it. Let's attack it then you you develop symptoms of allergies, or it could even be, you know, intolerance symptom. So it's I think more and more. We're seeing I mean definitely the allergy epidemic has gone up drastic phenomenally in the last ten years. And we're now seeing food allergies in adults as well. And two more and more different foods. So sometimes I run a food sensitivities test and somebody could be allergic to twenty to thirty different foods or there have antibodies. And that's because the immune system is saying foods informs eight didn't used to see you know, years ago. So so is that like a fog map tests, or is that that's no it's actually a finger prick test that they can do at home. But I mean, it's not I'm going to say that it's the most accurate thing the world, but is a good place to start. If you have someone who seems to be reacting to everything just to give an idea. So it meshes to itchy g antibodies to food proteins. So once you get report back, then you go to correlate that with clinical symptoms. So it's not it's not definite is not diagnostic, but it can help. Okay. So I mean, we talk a little. Bit. We talked a little bit about how you know, some of these maybe hidden toxins or components of the food that we're consuming can cause these allergies or intolerances and have these kind of systematic. Effects on our body like chronic fatigue, chronic inflammation, things of that nature. I mean, what types of products that? We may not be aware of contained similar toxins that we're using on a daily basis that we can kind of take a closer look at maybe make alternative swaps or just eliminate usage altogether. Well, I I think unfortunately, and sadly, it's almost everything that we use from personal cap products to things like protein powders. So. Glide for saying, I think is is is in our water is in the rain water. Now, some studies have shown that seventy percent of the samples of rain water taken contains glyphosate because is water soluble. So if somebody spring it's running off into the rivers, and that's collected into the seas. If I Rades becomes rainwater, and it can come down. Anyway. So I think it's difficult to escape from chemicals. In this world. And I'm glad to see that as there is definitely grassroot movements occurring that would people trying to do the right thing and stop and trying to bring. Much more regenerative farming back. But I think what we can do is to make sure that we eating as clean as possible without becoming new robotic about it and just kind of making sure that all bodies detoxification system, is optimal. So that if we do consume, these toxins all heavy metals or pesticides that we can Dettori Sify, and it's not building up in in our bodies and causing problems. How how soon after eliminating these sources of toxins or allergens desire body kind of restabilize itself or heal itself? Okay. So so different foot different chemicals. So with allergens it cannot happen very quickly. So as we saw with my daughter, she recovered very quickly because the gut barrier can reject. Great between three seven days, you get a new lining. So if we definitely saw that with her symptoms went away after about seven to ten days. So with allergens when you remove it. And that's why a lot of physicians might Brett commend elimination of certain foods for up to three weeks just to see whether you get an improvement your symptoms, and I will say is that a lot of people living with those chronic symptoms. Don't realize how good they can feel until they have, you know, removed the allergens and see a difference in that out energy levels. So. You can definitely see an improvement in symptoms very quickly that with allergens now the stories right different. When you thinking about. Say heavy metals, especially heavy metals and other pollutants like PCB dioxins. Those all kind of persistent organic chemicals that linga in our environment. And they accumulate in our bodies so heavy metals PCB's knock since they like being stored in body tissues they bind to proteins. So for example, lead likes going to bone Macri likes going to fire wide and brain. So they hide in different parts of our bodies. And actually the way our body uses to protect major organs from damage. So, you know, we don't want so much lead circulating around in the blood. So when it enters our body, the body kind of says, hey, let's just hide it in a bone. So that we don't have to deal with it. So I'm talking about the access let that you can't talks Feis at that store by a body because the body has to do something. With it. So heavy metals actually, you may not see symptoms for a long time until the level builds up significantly enough to affect body functions. And then glide. I think that DAL some studies showing that you know, if you use binding agents or detective IDE your body the levels come full quickly. But I'm not really sure on the exact kind of statistic there. Yeah. And you mentioned heavy metals. I know that there are several products that we consume normally that could potentially have higher amounts of these heavy metals, and like you said accumulate in our body tissue and have different types of thyroid. Like, you mentioned, I think I think a lot of people actually have thyroid issues and don't necessarily know that is coming from the food they consume they think maybe a hormonal thing, but it could be coming from a different maybe unaware like a source that you might be aware of but coming back to the heavy metals. I know that you talk about heavy metals and its importance in how to reduce our consumption of them. Are you familiar with the clean label project and the protein powder, particularly because I think this is relevant to a lot of my listeners that consume large amounts of protein powder? You know, pretty dependent on these these powders, but don't necessarily know where they're coming from. And what kind of certifications their brand might be. You know, adhering to as far as like the levels of heavy metals that are contained in these products and whether or not they're getting high quality protein powder or not. So could you do you know where most of the protein powders come from? I I mean to my understanding a lot of it comes from China. And the reason why a lot of these are contaminated is because of the water supply, and maybe the soil supply that some of the crops grown in or as particularly referring to to plant based protein powders that have been shown to have higher levels of like, arsenic, cadmium and lead in particular. So can you can you discuss that a little bit more familiar with that? Yeah show. Yeah. So definitely something that was a concern when it first came out, and particularly the fact that they found a plump based proteins to contain. I think something like twice as much as. Wait for come away protein. And I think a lot of that as you said is down to where it comes from. And also how the protein is extracted. So mine standing is that the plump protein powders a lot more closer to disor. So there's a lot less processing. So if there's any kind of heavy metals in the plants itself, it's going to show up more in the protein powders. But also when you consider the comparison between plant proteins and way, well way I is a water soluble protein, so I'm guessing during the extraction process. And and particularly if we're talking about heavy metals, which are Aliko phillix, they like staying in fat that may be why you see that kind of you know, such a big distinction between the plant based proteins and. The way that you know, maybe during the extraction process. The heavy metals are not included in the protein itself because his what solely will, but they didn't test for other things that could be so stated with way protein, for example, the hormones and other contaminates. So I think that that study just you know, if someone was to kind of just look at us study and go, hey, I'm just gonna go way protein because it's cleaner. I don't think that's a very that would be a very accurate. Assumption to make just based on this study and heavy metals actually very difficult to avoid because is ubiquitous I- environment. So cadmium comes from fuel. So call exhaust has caught cadmium. And if you have plants the kind of Afam that's next to motorway that the crops there will contain more cadmium. Than compared to a farm. That's you know, further away from a motorway, I think you guys called at highway here. So and also lead in let it Pattro. So a lot of countries still use lead petrol, and that will be in the soil or lead lead based paints in that's being used in countries where it can lead into the soil and be present. So yes, it's very much to do with where you'll protein is source from and the extraction process, but I would say if you're eating food you're exposed to heavy metals. So I think it's better to kind of think about how we talk Safai bodies from heavy metals rather than kind of really I mean, obviously, be careful where you saw you buy your your protein from. And like you said, you know, make sure. Sure, the company is reputable and complying with the regulations, and and some companies have started to test of heavy metals now to but I've come across a couple of companies that say that they tasked him when I asked them fall our Bruce. Yeah. The test report, they they report the detecting in milligrams, and it's kind of lie. It can't be milligrams. If you Jeff. Right. Exactly. So I think that's another way companies are trying to get around that that problem. They say, oh, no we test, and it's is non detectable at milligram level. But you know, you shouldn't be ingesting anything that has you know, milligrams of head metals. So yeah, I think that if you have to obviously, an an I the reason why I like, I love your work so much is that I think you if you focus on a whole foods plant based approach to nutrition and getting most of your nutri nutrient requirement from whole foods they do need to use a protein powder. Make sure that you research accompanied reputable, you know, make sure that they test for heavy metals and just try to get as clean product as you can. Yeah, I think that goes to most of the supplement companies in general not necessarily just protein powders. Exactly. Most people just assume that if it's on the market, it's been tested. It's been safe. It's been approved which is completely not the case. So that's why like you said, I'm always more inclined to recommend people to eat whole food plant base. Because if when you're eating foods more to their natural state, you can obviously reap the benefits, but the chances of it being less, processed in all of these other introduction of heavy metals toxins are far less whenever you eat these these foods and in their most natural state, exactly. But would you say that that is kind of like the most effective way of detoxifying yourself like eating foods that are high in antioxidants, or what is what are some of the? The ways of detoxifying these heavy metals that can somehow I guess Leach them out of our tissues and dispose of them. Yeah. So yeah, absolutely sticking to a diet. That's close to the as possible. I think minimize your exposure to chemicals and toxins in the first place. So that you know, if you if you think of an analogy as above top. If we're putting in less, chemicals and talks ins than we have less to get rid off. So that's I think always the first place to start an a whole foods plant based diet in my opinion contains the lease toxins and chemicals. Now, if you can go off his lead us better, I know not everybody can afford that. But, you know, making sure that at least with the using the WG dotty dozen list, making sure if you can to by the the dirty dozen foods organic that would significantly reduce your pesticide load. Now. Also in terms of Dettori vacation does so many. I mean, we we built to deduct fight naturally. So, you know, the detox is that you see that being touted online, you know, where you drink. You know, ten hope he's a day. And then you just sitting on the toilets route the day, thus not really does not really maximizing your body's natural detoxification system. That's optimizing maybe one way, which is, you know, getting rid of toxins through the gut. But you know, pooping all the time may not be such a good idea for you. If you're getting rid of ill important electrolytes, you might not be absorbing vital nutrients, so we have built into us the natural detoxification system, which is sweating and studies have shown that sweat contains. Macree glasses say the heavy metal. Even PCB dachshund. So sweating is a great way to detox fi your liver is the major kind of detox organ in the body it it's constantly performing so many functions to to generate glucose to Bill protein to detects fi-, and is probably the organ that. We we just take for granted. And we really need to look after our livers that's kind of in Chinese medicine that is kind of the basis your God and your liver is the basis to health. So you need healthy liver to deduct fi and kidneys is another way that we deduct spy, so, you know, making sure you're hydrated that so important, especially in your industry, where you know, you need adequate hydration to get rid of even things like lactic acid that's building up. So I w-. Would say making sure that you optimizing your liver your kidneys, sweating every day by exercising. Those are great ways to make sure that your optimizing your detox mechanisms do, you know, kind of which plant foods contain like the most optimal micronutrients that help detoxify or help promote like liver health that we could kind of include more of or maybe promote kidney health as well. Yeah. So. This hopes that can come from come promote liver and kidney health. So for the liver. Things like milk Thistle dandelions brewed, you know, if if you take those t- that can help support your liver, and if your liver is really congested, sometimes physicians might recommend supplementing with milks this old and lying to support your liver. And but in terms of foods and in terms of a heavy metal removal coriander is one of my favorites. So sorry, I think you guys call it salon. So salon tro, actually binds to heavy metals and can help remove from your your from your body. So people who eat fish actually fish contains of mercury and I say to them if you can take some. Salang at the same time easing fish. You could maybe reduce the absorption of Macri because it will bind to the Macree in your intestine and help to eliminate so salon tro is great parsley is really great for kidney health. So it helps the kidney talks fi. Of the chemicals and heavy metals. And the liver has to detox pathways. So getting a little bit technical his oh, stop me. It's not sounding like flooring does phase one phase two. So phase one kind of breaks down the chemicals into the inactive form. Well, actually converts it so that face to makes it what soluble so that your body can get get rid of it. So you need to optimize both face one inveighs to and the dark leafy green vegetables are really good because they provide the beat men's needed for liver detoxification. So you'll often see, you know, these detox diets contain green juices, and it's it's because of that reason that. The green leafy contain deflates, and the beat befits men's that will help us detects via one of the the ways we talk spice through methylation. So you may have heard of, you know, things like M T H F. Aw, jeans. That's quite a lot of people talking about that now. So that kind of governs methylated, which is one of the ways your liver uses to detach fi that's incredibly useful. So if you're listening out there, be sure to get some of those herbs, and maybe we can list those in the show notes 'cause show. Yeah. I've I've also taken milk Thistle as well. I knew it was kind of more for liver support just kind of out of like, I don't know insurance or whatever. But it is that safe to take on a daily basis, or is that kind of only recommended if you think that you are in a highly toxic environment. I think that if you making it as a t and you just kind of drinking a Cup a day. I don't. Really, I, you know, I think there's always talks tea with too much of anything 'cause we work in a home your stasis where it's always a use shape curve. Right. Wet too little is not good too much is not good. So in in terms of supplementation will be a little bit more careful and just kind of be guided with practitioner, but if you making danton Lyon brute or milk Thistle t-, and that's what I do. I don't think I don't really see a problem with that doctor. So maybe like once a week kind of thing. Yeah. So yeah. Maybe a couple of times a week, and you know, sometimes actually make the tea and the made my smoothly with the with the teas blended up with tea, and you know, if you take some. So is not just a Danda deadline route where you can take Dende ally greens that helps deliver detects Faez while grim, and how about I know that you mentioned organic versus not organic and the amount of pesticide in the non organic versus organic do you recommend? I mean, washing your vegetables with a certain type of of wash before you consume them does that help all with removing some of these pesticides or bounds? So, unfortunately, a lot of the compounds is kind of built in to the vegetable or the fruit itself. So washing studies show that Washington doesn't really get rid of it. But I think that if you what I think Dr Greg O has video showing that if you kind of make a wash with apple cider vinegar and baking soda you can remove more than if it's just with water alone. So I think I can definitely you. If you have to buy conventionally farmed that may be a good way to kind of reduce the the chemical content. So so apple cider vinegar, and what was the other ingredient and baking soda making soda, and we can link up that I can find that video we can link in the show notes as well. And the thing, and I think we early will talking about heavy metals and one of the most common questions, I get is with rice off neck. I don't know whether you've come across that yesterday for your career discussed the importance of maybe soaking our food, or maybe how to rinse rice properly and all these things to eliminate that risk of ingesting those heavy metals. Yeah. So I think to start off with making sure that you buy the type of rise that's going to be shown to contain less. Awesome. Because probably a good place to start so California. This the I think the Lotus brand is has lower off neck content. So that's probably a good place to start. And then that they have shown that Brown rice contains more arsenic than white. But when you compare the absorption, the absorption of Osmanovic from Brown rises lower than white rice because as you digesting it the Austin actually stays in the husk, and you kind of poop it out rather than absorb it. So so I still eat Brown rice. But the way I cook it is I wash it couple of times. And then I will cook it with a water to rice ratio of about six to one. So you traditionally the way we I, you know, Chinese people cook rice will recoup it in a right? Ice cook a new measured evac same exact amount of water where ones it's cooked. It's kind of perfectly fluffy and has no access water. But now, I'm telling everyone to cook it kind of a different way because the Ossining actually comes out into the cooking water during the cooking process. So if you cook it with a launch water to rice ratio, the asna actually comes out, and then you actually want to throw that waterway drain your rice. And then you can put it back into the pan and kind of fluff it up whatever you want to do with it or just eat it. And that can reach us the alternate content quite significantly I believing rice or cook rice wrong the whole time. Do you cook it like with the exact amount of just leave? Yeah. Yeah. In my mind is normally to one like two parts water one part rice to drain. Yeah. Definitely not six to one. Yeah. So I think that you know, you go to be kind of practical about it and pragmatic view, you're going to eat out. You know, whatever how however they cooked to you. Right. But it's kind of to do with how much exposure you've call and other foods, you're eating eating a lot of you know, luckily for us, we're hopeful palm bay. So we don't eat chicken, which is another big source of off necks, they feed chicken feed contains off neck because if fattened the chicken up, so if you eat, chicken and eggs. You're going to expose yourself to a lot more as Nick than if you just eating rice. So I think you go to the overall diet, and you know, I wouldn't be overly obsessed with it. I just try to reduce exposure, why can without being kind of becoming neurotic and just obsessing abou- Ono this has to margin. I is isn't a Connie dine. Then you can you might develop other problems. That's very good point talking about the relativity of the levels of heavy metals at your consuming versus other things that may that may have much much higher amounts. But they don't get the same kind of exposure that exact something like the clean label project has done. It basically said that plant proteins have are like seventy five percent of plant proteins tested positive for for lead. And they contain like much higher amounts of cadmium, lead, arsenic, again, it's because naturally the soil and the things in which these cry. Are grown the that's a natural component of soil or these medals. Right. So of course, it's going to be more heavily concentrated in these products. But that could be a very small amount relatively to other foods at your consuming. Yeah. Maybe on the protein powder scale it it ranks higher. But things like you mentioned like the amount of chicken people are eating that could contain much higher levels of of heavy metal the plant protein powder would be insignificant compared to those amounts even being like if you mentioned like what is it? The the the nitro means or any you five G C hetero, cyclic means or whatever they're called. I always get mixed up with the names even being exposed to meet and things that are cooked their absorbed through your skin. So you don't even have to ingest it through through orally you can just be in the vicinity of barbecue. Or maybe a restaurant. That's cooking. Quite frequently. And you can still be exposed to these these these exactly as a means that are highly carcinogen exactly, and we are inhaling heavy metals on a time because you know, if you live in an urban area, you'll inhaling museum from colleagues ause this, you know, leading Ed does this heavy metals into SO thing, we just go to be pragmatic, and we also have to look take everything into context and look at the human body because we all we all designed to talks fine. Get rid of a lot of these chemicals. If we make sure that we're not loading an overloading, I'll bodies and taking a whole pump based is probably the best way to make sure that your overall chemical exposure and heavy metal exposure as low because you know, we're getting rid of seafood, which is a big source of heavy metals, dioxins PC. B's and plastics. And we're getting rid of eggs chicken, you know, me which all contain all of these chemicals. I I would say that all if you hold aplomb as you actually starting with a fairly clean still slate. Now, the may be talks button Bill top from years before you know, when you were eating indefinitely for me. I'm not saying Yunos, I used to eat that dia, which I thought was healthy, you know, and cheese as a lot of aluminum in ever example. So I think slowly though, and and I don't know whether you've noticed not. Might apologies. Getting rid of these toxins. Slow Lezo damore years. I've become the gun the better I've been feeling and almost like with every year. I'm getting more energy. A you. Do you feel that too? Of course, I feel this is this is exactly why promote the plant based diet reply a hate diet lifestyle plant based lifestyle. To two people through my social channels is because I just want people to feel as good as I feel. I feel mostly all the time. And I know how I felt whenever I was even vegetarian and I felt good compared to how I felt immediately after eliminating dairy Ned the gastrointestinal discomforts that I was constantly feeling whenever I was eating cheese and drinking way protein shakes compared to cut that out and not only physically, but like mentally as well, it was like a huge just a huge difference in the general overall like normal feeling, and that's why I tell people it's like just try to cut it out for three weeks like three weeks. I feel like is enough time for your body to adapt and kind of detoxify and allow yourself to reach a new level of baseline just general feeling you know, and you can see that you've been living your entire life at this lower this low. Our baseline, and you can elevate that once you cut these things out of your diet, you feel better overall more energy, you can sleep better just every every single bodily process just becomes enhanced. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's exactly what I experienced myself is I was living in that brain fog, and just, you know, drinking three or four cups of coffee and thinking that that's just normal. But that's actually not normal. You can feel a little more my talented, and you know, nowadays, I don't even need to drink coffee to to wake up in the morning. I just I just wake up, and I would drink a green tea because I like the taste and the health benefits associated with it. But I'm not dependent on it for the caffeine. I I love that. And I love the the kind of tips that you told us throughout this entire podcast about how to kind of identify which foods may contain these toxins, but also just the general tip of of. I'm just choosing to eat more plant based while reduce your risk of exposure. And could greatly affect just your general well-being immediately and again in the future as well. Which is why I always try to stress that. Yes, you know, you might see short term results by doubting plant based diet. But the the real results are experienced long-term. You know, when you're sixty years old, and you're not experiencing the same kind of health issues that your your peers may be simply by choosing to change what you ate whenever you are in your younger years. Exactly. Because food food is information taught jeans, right? They tell which genes to be switched on in the field of epigenetics where you cannot should switch on and off your genes. We know that genes don't Detaille dictate your futures. So what is what you doing every day like you lifestyle? That's actually switching on and off, gene. So even if inherited genes that predispose. Due to halt disease. You can rectify that. And that's and that's why I've kind of renewed my passion in medicine, I really was becoming so disillusion and thinking hold on a minute. This is not rewarding for me anymore. I don't want to just prescribe pills and just be kind of like a sales agent for the pharmaceutical company any wall, I want to actually, you know, delve deep into why people getting sick in the first place in most of the time. It's it's lifestyle. You know, what that putting at the end of the folk it's how little much exercise that doing. It's how stressful alive de leading an and what a thinking ahead, and whether the kind of interacting with with friends and socializing all of those factors actually dictate your health allot more than your genes. And I'm so grateful now, the I've kind of come out of the conventional model and be able to realize that these factors we can modify and an in a way, it's so empowering, right. It's it's so I don't know like patients used to come to me, and they don't look excited when I give them a treatment because it's gonna lie. Oh, also in I'll be telling them. Yeah. You've got diabetes, and you probably going to have it for live. But actually, that's not true. If it's not true. And we've you know, lots of studies have shown that. That you can you know, you may not be up to reverse diabetes, completely if you've had it for a long time, but in in early stages, you can definitely you can definitely reverser and if not reverse it completely you can reduce the amount of medicine that you're going to need to take. Yeah. And I think you kind of touched on this just now about talking about how the. You know, the traditional style of medicine is is symptom symptom based you treat symptoms you don't necessarily address the big the root issue, which is almost like putting a bandaid on a broken arm and by using more integrative lifestyle changes. Then you almost you relinquish the control from the doctor to to the patient. Right. And you that feeling of having control of of deciding whether or not you wanna feed or nurture this disease or destroy it just by lifestyle changes is very powerful. So I think that's that's really powerful that you mentioned that. Yes, exactly. I think you know, having that power back. So that, you know, relying on doctors to make you actually stopped us. We have a winner. He'll you know, we don't make people. But a you as the patient yoga make yourself at a wages hit to kind of guide you along the way and hopefully. With lifestyle factors. The actually addressed of route coals rather than you know, just band-aiding with more and more drugs. Now, you said you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it. Why? Exactly. Yeah. Now, the they all like, I I don't know about you. But there are a lot of people who tried vegan diet and all who whole on base. And they say, oh, they feel really tired, and they kind of go back to eating meat. So I think the important thing is that make sure that if you're going to transition to Hofu plump as diet that is a well planned one that you know, you all supplementing because they all. Nutrients that you cannot get on a whole plant based diet that if you ensuring that all your micronutrients, are optimal. Then you absolutely thrive. Everyone will thrive on Hofu plant based diet. I love that. And it is a lifestyle change, it's not necessarily a short term diet. So it is important to do your research and kind of understand fully what you're getting into. And that is why I think a lot of people just don't stick with it because they're not really addressing the needs of what a diet or what like nutritionally what they need and understanding where those sources come from. And to me, that's the fun part. But for most for some people it becomes overwhelming. So that's why always, you know. I'm not a very binary when I promote veganism is not necessarily one or nothing. It is. Yes, more. So how you transition into doing it in a manner in which will be successful for you for your long term success to ease into it. If you have to do, you know weekly or monthly elimination of a certain product than by all means. That's that's totally fine. Don't let anybody any vegan or any anybody. Tell you that. That's not a valid or. You know, a good approach. Absolutely. And I think that that's that's a great way because even on a kind of biological and physiological level. We know that the gut microbiome of Plum based people people on a whole plump as dia is very different to that of people who eat meat, so and you know, there's a lot of scientific literature now showing that what what's on your plate doesn't actually translate to. What's circulating around in your body? In terms of nutrition law, actually depends on what bacteria you've got in your got that's digesting that food. And then that got the backup bacteria's actually making the nutrients that we need from the food that we feed so we actually feeding bacteria when we eat and they're making nutrients for us. So if you have a different microbiome and the microbiome. For example, heavy meat diet. And you suddenly go one hundred percent plump bays. You probably you know, you may not feel grateful while because firstly the bacteria that is needed to generate those nutrients that you need might not be as it takes time for the macrobiotic to adopt. And also, you know, you this going from a high meat dia to a whole plant based diet. Usually means there's a lot more fiber. And a lot of people do react to that. So. I think so I think listening to your body and actually acknowledging that and not just not giving up in the first week or two thinking on Awam having so many symptoms. It's not for me. You know, I think just understanding and knowing that you Microsoft by going to change for the better and the symptoms usually do go away. And if you'll making show your supplementing, you know, you you will thrive I love that. I love the conversation of microbiome and kind of understanding how this bacteria kind of has interplay with every like, so many bodily functions and how you can learn how to, cultivate, and basically create that environment that healthy environment within yourself to help process, these foods, and and basically just optimize your internal ecosystem. Because I remember talking to Dr Angie, and Dr b which his episode is going to be out, but before this, but they even talk about how you can you can do like fecal transplants or even like microbiome transplants where they they transplanted like rats microbiomes from an unhealthy rat to a healthy rat, and it immediately experienced weight loss and like. These other types of things just because you were able to process the food that you are jesting after switching or having a healthy, gut microbiome. So if you're constantly cultivating this this good healthy bacteria, then you're going to optimize. How you absorb nutrients. How you process things your your hormone optimization everything as opposed to kind of feeding this. Or or nurturing this unhealthy microbiome where you're constantly feeding it inflammatory foods and food that inhibit your processes? So that it also is just a testament to to to the plants it self in the power plant. So if you don't get anything out of his episode, just eat more plants and not only will it prevent you from exposure to heavy metals in certain toxins, but it can also help, cultivate, a healthy microbiome. And then it's kind of comes full circle to because it's got bacteria that help us detoxify lot of those chemicals and got bacterias involved in metabolism as you alluded to. So the heavy metals the client assays, this bacteria that breaks down life assay. So making sure you'll microbiome is optimized is I think it's absolute and we're going to see I think a big powered I'm shift in. How medicine is Don because there is so much research. Coming out of you know, what the microbiome does for us that you know. I I think that people are trying to. Link certain species with such an health outcomes, but it's going to be a very complicated area for sure, but I think that the general direction is that, you know, the more diverse upon foods you eat the better your microbiome. That's what we know. For now for sure. Exactly. And I think we're just getting to the end of our of our conversation. And Dr Chan I just wanted to thank you so much for coming on and sharing your knowledge. And I I learned so much on this episode. And I know that everybody else has learned so much. Where can we find you? Where can we get in contact with you? If anybody has further questions, so I have a website. It's WWW dot plateful health P L A, T, F, U L health dot com. I'm also on Instagram and my handle there is a plateful dot health and through my website. You can contact me or just DM E ON Instagram. Awesome. Thank you so much. So if you're listening be sure to follow her she does post really great information lifestyle, integrative changes that you can kind of implement right after reading her post. I knew I've done it sometimes too. So be sure to not be sure to give her a follow. And thank you so much again for being on on generation v and for those that are listening. If you want to revisit the show notes Bashir to go to vegan, fitness dot com slash generation v to see this episode show, notes and many more. Thank you. Thank you. My. Hey, guys. Thank you so much for listening to the generation v podcast. I hope you enjoy it. And I really appreciate you taking the time out of your day and making an effort dilemma, happier and healthier life. If there was anything mentioned in this episode that you want to. Revisit you can find in the show notes over at vegan, fitness dot com. 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014 Pineapple and Coconut Party Cupcakes Recipe (Dairy Free)

Healthy Eating For Kids

09:57 min | 1 year ago

014 Pineapple and Coconut Party Cupcakes Recipe (Dairy Free)

"<music> hello and welcome to healthy eating kid podcast. I'm your host bought. He ended a registered paediatric dot titian shen and nutrition expert. We'll be teasing out the facts from the fiction learning how to empower your child when it comes to food and a nutrition hello and welcome back to healthy eating for kids podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in again this this week and i'm so excited to let you know that i have a recipe for you. This time is a dairy free high sugar as i call it well. It's a party not recipe. My daughter actually turned to this month and they loved both my girls really enjoyed this coconut and pineapple uh-huh cupcake recipe which really was a huge success so i thought that i would share it with you and usually if your child is is following through diet. You're probably use lots of cook nut in their died either from one of the plant drinks or just from using some of the dear free products that can be often coconut base. I hope that you enjoy this recipe and enjoy baking taking it particularly. If you have any birthdays other parties coming up for whatever's left of summer we don't usually have lots of recipes with sort of a frosting so i noticed that my young my two year old tended to eat the frosting and not as much of the cake and i did wonder if perhaps a pineapple chunks that we use maybe a bit too big and perhaps i needed to chop it up a little bit more so you could definitely give that a try particularly. If you decide that you lied to reduce the sugar in the recipe down by twenty percent sent also which you can do that if you feel that the recipe is too high should i wasn't too worried because it was her birthday and i was quite happy to treat treat to this delicious recipe but she did of goes end up eating off the frosting and not as initiate get through sort of hoff's cupcake cupcake and then she'd sort of lead the rest and usually it'll be my food a four year old who finish it up as she really you know she's quite food in love sweet things but my youngest is a bit more particular with what she likes to eat so let's get straight into into it. In terms of the ingredients you need some plain flour one hundred twenty grams one hundred and forty grams of casta sugar one and a half teaspoons of baking taking powder a pinch of sold forty grams of a dairy free spread one hundred twenty most of cooking so i used used a can of coke high-quality cognitive it was really rich and creamy so you will need to add a spoon or i using a four just his beat the can vigorously so that the cream and the milk in the ten combined while together and a bit of vanilla extract harvey spoon to be precise one a if you want to make this recipe vegan the kneecap of goethe news either banana or flex egg and then i also opened a can of pineapple and i pulled out about three to four pineapple who rings and then finally desiccated coconut to decorate you will also need to prepare some coconut frosting. If it's for a special occasion or you could just serving serving on its own the coconut frosting is basically prepared with icing sugar dairy free spread and the coconut milk and all all of the ingredients and respite instructions will be in the block post-polling to in the show notes for you. Now at this recipe is brilliant to get the kids involved so they really enjoyed helping me measure out the ingredients poor the you know flower into the mix and i found my four year old eating quite a bit of the battle helping us up to the pine poop so there was a lot of eating going on rather than helping me make cupcakes but that's fine. It's all part of the experience and they enjoy so. That's the main thing and i really enjoyed bonding with them. Over this recipes though without further ado so what do you need to put the flour sugar baking powder and the assault with the dairy free spread in a free standing electric mixer using the pedal attachment of us a electric one of those hand and held beaters. You want to use the whisk attachments and then you want you beat it together. You find that it makes this sandy consistency consi type final product and then you add all of the wet ingredients including the egg and the coconut milk and the vanilla extract and once that's all combined it so easy you just spoon out into a twelve hole muffin tray. You obviously want to pop in some pay cases into the muffin hose or i was thinking. Actually this is quite a sweet recipes. You could get one of although silicon many cupcake trays that would be quite useful if you want to make them into really small mini cupcakes up case otherwise the regular standard twelve inch hole or twelve whole cupcake trays will do the job perfectly fine aziz spoon it all in until it's about two thirds full then you add the chopped up pieces of pie brunell. I thought we talked it up reasonably okay okay but i did think that for my two year old maybe smaller even smaller pieces would have been helpful again. See the pictures of how big is drop them in the corresponding block bowls so once that was all poured into muffing trays it just meant enjoy oven that was preheated at one hundred seventy degrees celsius and it was in there about twenty minutes twenty twenty five minutes and once it was cool. We just talked it up with the coconut frosting and i use some desiccated coconut to decorate and it was delicious. It did stay well in the fridge review days as well. I did find that it was it was quite a heavy textured. I dish but it was very moist. My wainscott were little bit. Ordinary founded used up most of the coconut cream from the ten so although although the recipe says one hundred twenty miles. I think i used doubled that in fairness for the rest we it was quite moist so oh you can't use a bit more of the coconut cream if you want to. It gives you the really nice tropical flavor and i loved it. I would very happily make thank this again. Perhaps with a bit less sugar the next time if it's just for you know a week baking with the kids but i love the fact that it has fruit in it and if you want to you could always use the cocoa super for the kids because that would be calcium forty five bye and that would be a really nice way of making the getting your child's daily calcium intake as well and when you make the frosting thing i would use oatley clem fresh. I love that product is also calcium forty five so it's another alternative or if your child can can have soya yogurt you could use soy as well so lots of lots of opportunities there to try out some different products depending on whether your so following a vegan diet or dairy free die because your child has a dairy allergy. If you like me to help you with a child. Did you know who's having if you suspect that they have a dairy allergy or you just like to chat with me a little bit more and asked my help to expand weaning on taylor retired or you'd like me to review the calcium intake or general vitamin and mineral intake on a day frey then do book a free fifteen minute cau- war and i can run through my packages and costings width you are papa link in the show and of course. We're more great idea to visit. Is it my recipe page on u._k.'s nutrition dot com. You can also follow me on instagram which is at u._k. Kids nutrition i do you also have a facebook page at u._k. Kids nutrition and you can follow me there and you should find that i post more recipe ideas and suggestions particularly in the stories so i look forward to connecting with you. If you haven't been following me generally on this podcast would love it if you could subscribe to the podcast and of course do leave me a review as it really helps other parents find the podcast because thanks so much for tuning in today and i look forward to catching up with you with the next episode five <music>.

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S2 Ep. 12: Erik Griffin

Green Eggs and Dan

52:51 min | 6 months ago

S2 Ep. 12: Erik Griffin

"Hi If you love listening to this show. Please consider giving a rating and review on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. We WanNA continue you this show for free and part of our ability to do that. Means we need a big audience. It may not seem like it but rating and reviewing the show will help more people find us. Thanks chicken and golf on both vegetables. Big Campaign Cool Keeney. Beautiful Oud welcome to green eggs and Dan the show where I interview. Amazing humans with amazing minds and all. I care about is what is in their fridge. My guest today is hilarious. Stand up comedian and actor Erik Griffin. You've recognized Eric from his showtime Special American Warrior and Ugly Truth. He was an actor on the showtime show. I'm dying up here. And he played the amazingly. Funny Montanez in comedy central's workaholics. He's also the host of the podcast riffing with Griffin Erik Griffin. Is My guest. Thank you for coming Eric. Br Yeah Eric and I just got into a fight before. We don't know if we got into tiff. So we're we're we're going into this this this fun light food podcast interesting energy. We were on something else I was because we were on another thing. That was like podcast. It was like an after show panel. Oh Okay and you brought this up there too. Oh Really Yeah Okay God. Yes who was inappropriate. Then that's why I felt like there had to be something behind here. We talk about this new video. We're not gonNA talk about it Today we're GONNA talk about food is food podcast. Low Food we start. You do love food. You start every episode with a picture of the inside of your fridge which would not allow me to believe that you love food very very sad. Because I've been out of town and I haven't I usually stock up our order like Amazon. I ordered like box and just fill it up with fruits and vegetables and things like that. Yeah and like you know like Deli meat and things and I was getting this company freshly. Yeah I was thinking that one of the meal plan top row. Yes I was getting freshly What I had to cancel them because the delivery company that they use is so stupid. Okay okay in like shots fired freshly you know I I I I tweet it. Call tweet shave a lot. I dude all time not all the time but this time I did I was upset because okay so like I live in a gated building and delivery people not bragging but the delivery is in a gated community. It's not a gated community. It's like I'm just saying like townhouses. Thank you have to get buzzed in all right? So these people they would just leave the box anywhere. Okay no good so they leave any so I they would just leave it about a mailboxes. All right outside outside but it's nicely packet but it's like certain point you go. Hey what's going on? Yeah so then. They started to like then they started to like try to deliver it to the to my place. They wouldn't even delivered to the leasing office then then the last time they disliked it literally outside the gate right on the street on the street. So I'll say homeless people everywhere looking for food. I'm just saying like I didn't I was like I was like I'm out I had. I gave them two chances. 'cause I call them. I was like Yo what's going on with your delivery company like you know you're trying to be cheap. You getting what you pay for. What it is these people that are delivering things now. They have no pride in your job. Now these are just people that made bad life choices. Yeah so gotTA GOTTA drive. Uber's do grab hub to make ends meet and I don't mind that like do your hustle. Right I have some pride in your damn job right you know and these people are just like Oh. I don't want to deliver blocks and I was like I'm out. I'm out cycle. Let them know like cancel my order. It's even worse than that because it's Uber drivers who car whose cars aren't nice enough for humans yes. We can put other people's food that's on Youtube if you only get into X. or uber you know. I'm an Uber. Comfort guy might not be caught uber. Cheap this just call it that you want Uber Cheaper. You want to Uber where these people have have some pride in your car. Yeah a stranger is getting in your car. What's going on. Is that a McDonald's bag bro. You know what I mean. Get your baby seat out of the car trunk. This is so much I can't do anymore. Uber Comfort. I sit in the front seat. You sit in the front. I always sit in the front seat. What's that about your in Jeddah? This isn't a limo okay. You know what I mean. You look so dumb. Sit in the back seat. Corolla like your like your important. I supported Dasan Corolla in the front seat. My knees are up against the vaccine. Yeah it's so nice because you know what I didn't realize I had to start like not acting up in these lubers. 'cause I didn't realize that we're being rated also low. Yeah Oh yeah. That's how they get you already four seven or something. That's not a good rating. I think it's a bad rating mine is worse than that. I have you ever eaten the UBERS or no no. I just can't I've had so many bad experiences like had this lift lady. Tell me that I looked like Mr Potato head but like was being serious. It wasn't even funny joke though she was like you. Mr Potato head and then like headstone face just looked she just stared at me and I was like okay so I tweeted at lift. Oh my God tweet. People have to tweak Chaim stories. That's terrible the same podcast but I tweeted had left. You know what they did they hit me up into. Dm's they made sure that. I never matched and gave me like a twenty five dollar credit and it sounds like the beginning of Rom Com. I know you're not supposed to match ever again. We're married now. Another guy I got in the car and he was playing Gospel Music Loud religious music. Yeah and I don't want loud any music right but in particular religious music and it wasn't even like it was like you know you know this little item. My you know it was like some kind of live performance. Right like at a mega mega church. Yes it was a live performance at a mega church and it was like and then they kept saying the same thing over and over again. It'd be like Jesus you know it was like I just kept going and you hear a guy background who and I was like. Is He really playing this at full volume? You can't save every but anyways I don't eat in the cars whole lot lens us to back to back to food. I'm duty with Dan Dune Foodie Duty Danta man of the year and a half ago. Man Foodie duty identity. He should've put out a put out of a thing. I need names for my podcast. I'm with me okay. So you so you're done with the meal delivery I'M GONNA get a new one and we get a different one. I remember remember when Blue Apron came out the meal delivery and they were like. Hey We send you the ingredients. You have to cook it yourself. And all these other companies were like no we'll just fucking cooking and it just went out of business right. I don't know if anybody really wanted to do that. No one wanted I mean I think. Part of the cooking is the shopping experience like going and getting the ingredients and other this kind of stuff the fact that they make it so easy. It's kind of condescending. Yeah it's like. Here's the right amount of salt. Here's we've already cut this for you. Know Man Yeah nothing either. I'm I'm getting food delivered to me or I'm going to market and get but what I liked about the food. Delivery is the portion control. Okay got it. That's the best part about it because the money you save. I I will say a company like freshly so you know it's ten dollars a meal talking about you. Basically you get six meals. I was getting six meals. Yeah so that means. One of my meals was going to be under. Six hundred calories. Goes only going to be ten dollars and I was full. Yeah you know. As opposed to like. Get some GRUB UP. I would get from my tie restaurant. I would get like the barbecue chicken with the trump fried rice Thai tea and I'm eating the whole damn thing even though like three meals is one buck by the Styrofoam right. I just got you know. I've just had thirty five hundred calories and I'm wondering why feel Shitty all day because no but demille the portions? I I lost weight without even working out. You know pushing control man. That's that's the key everyone's always I think looking for the big secret of like what's the Diet where I can eat everything something. It's like no man just less food but my thing is like my problem is if it's in front of me. I'll eat it. Yeah you know what I'm talking about for those of you at home now. I had an ex who was a chef and her whole thing was because she had a client who was overweight. Trying to lose weight she was like you gotta serve everything on a side plate. Yeah that's it. That's all you know. I agree with that. It's a good Vegan for a year like few years back. I wouldn't Vegan for a year but it was a full because I still would have fish so I was like almost Vegan. Whatever whatever that's called but I consider myself a Vegan and I remember when I I remember when I got off of it you know. I went to a steakhouse and I thought. Oh this is going to be the best thing I've ever eaten in my life right and it wasn't you felt disgusting and this wasn't that I felt disgusting. I realized that the state itself was also a side dish. The steak itself was explained. Well what I'm saying is like so when you have a plate you have the meat. Yeah then we think everything else has aside the potatoes. The Broccoli corn whatever the cauliflower spinach I realize is they're all the same you know so. I can have Broccoli with aside a steak got it and whatever you WanNa do is just so. It's like all these portions could be the same so I think what you're saying is being Vegan gave you a new appreciation for things that we normally think of as. Yeah Yeah like like. This isn't a complete meal right but it is a complete meal. Well if you had broccoli you know Broccoli potatoes and some brown rice. Yeah that's a whole. That's a meal. That's what ninety eight percent of the world is eating dinner. Yeah yeah wait. So what made you come out of Guinness? I don't know if my blood type for it just did you lose the shift underway. I did lose a lot of weight but I also I did I did the masterplans. Yeah towards the end and the master cleanse that I don't curse on what difficulties? Yeah okay so I got to seven days and I was out it messes with your when you break up with somebody and you feel like every time we turn on the radio you hear a love song. Yes when you're on a master cleanse you feel like everything is a commercial radio come to Burger King? We got like ADS. Switched to channels. Like Carl's junior. The next one just like a little radio. Why am I yeah? Npr's even have come back. It was like it was a weird. It was a weird thing and it really messes with your brain. You know that was irritable. I was like you know but I lost. It was a skinny as I've ever been in my adult life. You know but you gain the weight right back though after them but I yeah so that it was on the magic. Any fatburger. Yeah you know yeah I was little I was like. I need fat burger now so I got like a Turkey Burger and I was like now. That was the best hamburger I've ever eaten in my life. Because you were in fucking starvation. Yeah I mean that are out. Never forget it it was. I let Greece come down my arms swaggie. Lick it off my elbow and my forearm. It was like oh i was having sex with that burger. You worry that if you you know. There's some comedians. Here's the thing I don't think of you as I know I think you think of yourself as bigger than you actually are. Well you're the type of you're you're one of those gets up and you're like I'm fat and I'm like I'm like I don't think people in the crowd are like your fat. You'd be surprised you think that people are like Like I know what I'm doing. My podcast remember live. Chat people were like. Hey Fatty it's I guess it's a nightmare I don't think it. Would you think you'd lose out on some funny if you lost all of them? No no no. Because I did lose a lot of weight I thought the funny here the funds in this just weird face I. I don't think if a weird face either I brought you here to tell you that you're good enough special this guy and can I borrow one hundred bucks or you're the one on the on the big show on Netflix. Your Jealousy and my voice so nice addition. I auditioned for your role in I'm dying here. I didn't get that well. I mean all the Brown people. We auditioned for the same show. You addition because he literally will looking for somebody ironically fat now I I did addition for the show. I probably wasn't for. No I think I'd for Santino role which everybody in their mom says they are part. I think that they brought everyone in for that and it was close. We'll tell them close to get net. Knew you were trouble. They weren't. Let's go back into your fridge. 'cause there was something else that got me was the two. Why do they have two yellow? Mustards over here. Because I get In a pack. Okay Costco that Shit. Yeah this thing called box. It's actually like an online costco. Type thing you're all about the meal deliver food law this but that place is great. 'cause they have so many great deals? I get my toilet paper my Amazon. Yeah Amazon and then I order from Amazon prime on other stuff. Okay got it and your freezer is a is a mess. It's a sad freeze here in my freezer. Those are Vegan popsicles. You got five ice trays. Yeah Vegan popsicles. Yeah and chicken tenders next right next to the Abbey. None of that stuff in their mind. I love the Vegan Vegan popsicles. Because that's my girlfriend. My girlfriend she. She has a dairy allergy okay. She thinks she has a dairy allergy. A my girlfriend thinks she's gluten free. We'll be right back. Spilled milk is a comedy show about food hosted by award winning Writers Molly Wisenberg and Matthew Hamster burden every week. They start with a food related topic from shrimp cocktail barbecue sauce to ice cream sandwiches. But we'll probably end up talking about their love. Cool ranch doritos or debating. Who has the most valuable character? On Friday Night Lights The New York Times recently named spilled milk one of six podcast to feed your inner Gorman and described the show as quote less deliberately educational than other food podcasts. Right up my alley. New episodes of spilled milk air every Thursday. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Back to Erikgriffin now. One of those is trees actually full of coffee okay. Do the ICED coffee coffee freeze the coffee. Then I put it in my coffee interesting. So you're not iced coffee guy. No no no I'll have is coffee but what I'm saying is when you put regular ice cubes in the coffee when it melts. It waters down the coffee. Yes so if you free some coffee brilliant but you put it. You don't put it in hot coffee. Yeah why do you to turn into ice coffee? Yeah one eight is. Take the coffee and put it in the fridge. No no and what their fresh brewed. Okay got it got it and I mean that makes sense yeah. What's your coffee at home? I have a curic curate. You're not an espresso guy. Now I need to get one of those like a Ness. Bresso machine what we call it like a regular. Yes I have milk and almond milk in there. That's one thing I didn't go back to. I didn't go back to regular milk. Really yeah girl. Got Me Oat milk. She's an OATMEAL. Oh Yeah is she what? She's she's dietary restriction girl. Yeah Yeah Yeah So. It's like when we go to go to restaurants. I got to be like okay. She's got a dairy allergy so everything has to change. Yeah and she wants to share off my plate so that's annoying because I'm not dairy free and then she's like so then you feel like you need to make you order something I want. I want my steak slathered in butter right. You don't take my steak dip. It in a bat of butter bugging gross cashew butter. That could be. That could be a little challenging. But you know it's tough. I'm trying I'm trying to get better at it. I'm actually. I talked about it in therapy last week. Because Boehner contextual th. This is the thing my girl like really. I think because you finicky big. You're very particular enjoy restaurants more than anything in life. We'll just enjoy them. Yeah why did she have to? Why does she have to enjoy them? The way you enjoy them can. She enjoyed them on her in her own way. Shouldn't you get the enjoyment of her enjoying it her way? Oh my God Mega Hooper. Not Listening to this. She's GonNa leave me go to you. Listen here's the thing though. Sometimes I go I want to restaurants. We can't go to like Asian restaurants where they don't speak fucking English because I can't be like. Oh she's got a soy allergy. Do you have something you can substitute? They're like we don't speaking. Do you want to eat the food or not? Where are you going that people don't speak English in California 'cause whatever that restaurant is yeah? I need to see grade on that rest like I. I think this is a problem. Okay this sounds like a you problem. You need to step back from that because like because I'm saying like you go to a restaurant go for the you know this is why as a comic you end up eating alone a lot and I'm totally fine with that. I love going to a steakhouse. I bring my headphones and my IPAD. I'm talking about. I'm on the road. I go to fancy ass steak house by myself. Why do you put the I hate? People go to restaurants and put the headphones. Why can just enjoy the restaurant experience? What restaurant experience. I'm sitting by myself. People are talking with what you want me just to sit there. I'm just sitting here and maybe make a friend wave at another table. They are you. I was thinking of ordering that. She's makes them conversation. She should leave you. This sounds like a nightmare. It sounds like a nightmare. Just all you gotTa do first of all even when you like. That's why I use open table. Wait hold on. I just want to tell you you know what the thing that you were talking about. How when you start doing the cleanse. All you started doing was focusing on the foods. Yeah I think that I'm this way with with my girlfriend. Which is once I started dating her. All focusing on was places that we can't go together. So you're saying your girl is like the master cleanse as she's driving you crazy but she looks great. I look great next there. No no you can't listen. You can't you're focusing on the wrong thing. I know you go out and eat with just one trying to try this US Open table because when you use one of those apps to make your reservations on the reservation you can put dairy allergy soy allergy. Know this and that and when you get to the restaurant because if you go to Nice places. They're going to be like okay. Hi and I hear. There's a dairy allergy and Baba you like yes and then they'll just ready to go. Yeah you just order. I mean I think it's actually nice. It's kind of like you know you're I like being able to be like. Hey No dairy for her like a really easy way to be chivalry. Excuse me Sir Lady will not be having any gluten tonight you hear me. Yeah so it's like what is it. How's it ruining your food experience? This she doesn't WanNA put poison in her body. There's an embarrassment that I get around the constant questioning about it because I like to be the guy who goes into the restaurant on like. I'm here to experience what the chef wants to give me. But then there's a control thing that we're putting on them better. Xyz Y and Z or were Leo. Do not going to leave. It doesn't get to that point. You're not like that right now. But she can't have she gets really fucked up if she's gluten. I This I have enough I this is. This is a you know. Okay you hear it yourself okay. Let's go back to. Let's go back Maggie. Maggie reach out to me girl. I'M GONNA TALK. Anytime you start acting you. Call me and I will talk to him about it. Stop it man. I just show up to the restaurant. She's not having gluten as a little bit. Bring this little. I guess we'll get back to. What is he? What what is your. Do you have any goatee restaurants that you go to? Yeah we do. We also like to try new things. Okay it's very easy to like when you go to a restaurant that you really like. It's so easy to just like. Let's keep going there. Yeah let's use our natural inclination. That's my restaurant. Let me go let me get the same pot roast with the whatever. Whatever you like that but I'm finding that is there's so many restaurants in La. It's really fun to just pick something that goes to play studio micros great about that. Wow I'm the opposite way. I think the older I've gotten the more I'm like. I just want my. I have my three places that I go. You gotTa try new things. The other night Korean barbecue places. Yes well so there's a few but my well let's try new ones. She liked looked online. You know she. She loves to YELP. Yeah so big out her. She's a biggie upper. So it sounds like all right go and we found this great place of Lincoln. But it's one of those ones where it's not all you can eat so it was usually the quality's better way better. Yeah so it was like Kobe beef and I was like you know it was expensive but it was great and I was like. Oh this is great but then immediately. I'm Mike we gotta come back. That's just what I'm saying is like go now. Go try something else. Yes go try something else. I love a good steak house. He's good steak. Yes or go to plays Chart House in Marina del Rey. Even know what the Chart House is? I don't think yeah. Chart House is Great. What do you Chart House in? Mastro's are the same company. Okay Got Landry. Rewards also in every rewards program. Are you if there's a rewards program? I'm a part of it. I'm I'm getting my percentage. Thank you have a problem? When you're on steakhouse rewards. Things like get nine rebounds tenth one now because you spent now because earnings like shaking his He's he's in the right. Yeah thank you tell this little the itch no because like you spend so much. It's all about money spent so every time you spend two hundred fifty dollars to give you a twenty five dollar right towards your next one. Oh yeah so. It's easy to spend two hundred fifty dollars at a steakhouse It is yeah so anyway so going to Chart. I Love Ocean. Prime in Beverly Hills is a Master's went to I've been there. I liked that power cuts in Beverly Hills. That's what's his name. His place Now the guys got spago Fillet Wolfgang Care. Actually I just got named on the La La Times hundred one best restaurants in L. A. Yeah that's great. That's great I love. I love a good steak house because you know why because the sides are great. I Love Steak House. So that's what makes it breaks a steakhouse for me. What side they got ahead. Cream corn who? I love me some cream corn. I'm cream spinach guy. I don't like cream spinach. I like I like Sauteed fucking cream. Corn Gross Goose Crews Minhaj is way grosser pulled up on your twitter grocer. Yes finish or corn cream corn way gross. No one is not. I completely disagree with you really. Yeah cream corn is like I feel like it's like a fucking cafeteria food all right and you haven't been to you haven't had you haven't had another stakeout. I think you're right. I don't think I ever have ordered spinach our cafeteria. That's good. What is your stake of choice when you go to stay you know? I don't really. It just depends on the mood. I'm in a you know. A good fillet is always good. Yeah you know. Like a small six two eight ounce filet that if you're in like a big mood that he fillet if you will petite fillet or filet on the bone the windows or you're going to get like you're going to get a ribbon. Yeah you know you get a nice fat rib eye. But then I don't get a lot of sides when I get a robot. Say This I'm going to go on record saying New York Strip can suck my Dick. Why why is that a? I just think that it's weird. It's kind of a hybrid between a fillet Annemarie by but it doesn't quite give you any of the pleasure of either either one. It's not as tenders girl likes to order what you're saying yeah wait. Why'd you break up with her dude New York? Strip steak all she was ordering and Queen Corners. No she's GonNa end up with someone way hotter and nicer all she really wants. Yeah yeah now. Obviously another thing. She is a personality person through and through they all. Are you think my girl likes looks so God oh my God I just remembered I we can. We can leave this entertainment out matched with a girl on one of the APPS. Super Hot is when I was single and just laughing and wasn't anytime recent she was like. Hey just so you know. I don't know he feel about this but I was Eric. Griffin's girlfriend so I don't know if you WANNA go out or not I was and I was like we had broken up. Yes you've broken up but I was like you know what I don't know that I do because it seemed like she was friends with a lot of comics and I don't like to mix business and pleasure that would have been awkward. Yes I didn't go there. See that see the respect I have for. You wouldn't have mattered now. We got back together the same person. Yeah Oh really going to be great. That's hilarious actually. GonNa take a picture. I'm going to take a picture of you and I remember when you match with this guy on on wh whatever APP that is so funny sorry I forget her name but Rachel Rachel. I'm sorry I didn't mean to create new drama Whole trauma has been created now but I was being respectful as being respectful. She was being respectful. 'cause she said she's very very nice. So Anyway Rachel Break Up. You can hang out with me and my girlfriend. She sounds like you guys. Also you guys all sound like a man. No that's not true. Look if that's the only thing that's not good in our relationship. We're doing okay. God this is getting Getting deep getting what is coffee that you have in the top you're Fr- Oh and there's a flask. We didn't get the flu at the ready to drink. Even mind that drink. I don't drink coffee you those batteries in there that. You're you have like a grandma's batteries in it you know. I got coffee at like a film in here like the old film. Kodak a good coffee I love a good like you know organic coffee or something you know. Those are always good. Do you go to a hipster. Coffeeshops anything like that. I like going to different types of coffee. Shop bluebottle ministers I get your more adventurous adventurous eater. I thought you were. People are like very overweight. They just have like their routine in the beginning of the conversation. I wasn't fat so now I'm very overweight and I go to. Okay here we go. That's that's that's how it goes full circle here. We were here. Is Jokes stupid jokes. No but I'm your what what is next on your list of your adventurous is a cuisine that you're looking for that you want to seek out. No I mean I just. I don't know I just I just I like eating. Fancy Fancy Bitch are you. Yeah you got a lot of options. Yeah Yeah Yeah all of your fancy I mean I well. I've seen that. There's actually a really fancy newfangled check. I'm not a big Chinese food guy. I think it's just so simple. Tiny's food is yeah. I'm saying like the some of the places you go. It seems like it's all the bee's rob fast type things too so I that kind of makes me sick. Yeah but if you go to like a a nice sit down. Yeah you know. Get yourself a peaking. Yeah so there's a there's one of those in coke. Downtown Cobra City has trouble keeping certain restaurants. Open man just that there's an area that like there's a different Restaurant like every year. Say like you know a new one is tried and you know what I mean so I don't know there was. There was a Santa Maria Barbecue. Place de that went out of business the name I don I didn't understand what is it. Is IT Mexicans Barbecue? Yeah I don't know what it is. It's like so many played by now. Dan Tucker cities really. They're building a bunch of stuff right now. So it's like really jumping off like main street in downtown Culver City. Yeah they have so many great restaurants there. Rocco's is over there. They had a Korean barbecue place. But it closed down Oh yeah there was a. It was a big one. Yeah yeah the grammar closed down. There's a lot of great little places right. They're the best meal I've ever had in Los Angeles best high end meal was in Culver City where there's a place called vesper teen known about this. This is a four hour. You're going to be there though way too much money. God if you if you need the specialist occasion if you and Rachel are going to are going to say no to the APPS forever. I think we think we are. I don't know after this but I think that you should absolutely texting right now. Arizona's phone. I'm texting right now. This is. She's like who's that you know. Just a guy you matched with on and you were trying to go out on a date with a green eggs. And Dan exclusive of on air on your break- we've never done this. But what's the name of the place? Where's IT AT VESPER teen? It's in that like you know there's like that strip that's like there's no restaurants that's just like fucking office. Buildings like that office building area of Culver City. It's in there and it's a standalone building and you go in and each course's on a different floor of the building and it's fucking. Oh God you feel the best private is you feel like you're on your at like first class of a rocket ship going into space. Oh I might try. It is wild and going to remind you got money league. Sushi saved up some of your fucking showtime money. Some of it. He says terrible with money. I'm fat go on with your girl. Astute Ado okay so when you give me started. She went on a date with someone when we have broken up. I'm going to say who it is comedy. I was outraged. Oh my God a comic not even going to say I'M NOT GONNA put business on the street. What effect would it have had met? If she'd gotten a date with me would you have thought? Wow she's got amazing taste. Would you have thought what she's so much taller than you? A window worked. I'm it would've looked ridiculous. It'll look like cruise Nicole. Kidman would look dumb. I would've loved to laugh. 'cause I would've loved to have seen that. He must be rid letter. Must have a beaker yoga offshoot or something but it is what it is. It's that kind of thing when you break up and you know you have to break and you still in each other's lives. It's hard to like know about these kinds of things so I told her I said to a very clearly. Please don't date anybody I know. Yeah you know 'cause into comedy. It's going to open mics trying to do comedy. I some nightmare. The whole thing is a nightmare right very very attractive with behavior. I'm still GONNA do comedy like and I'm going to be a fashion model. That's fun stuff when you're on the road. What is your food? We all like garbage on the road. Well I like to find a excuse me to find a good steak US okay. I'd like to find whatever the when iron here when I go when I go on a road chew. I want to go to the MOM pop place. That's been there for one hundred seventy five years. Yes like don't take me to cracker barrel or you know. Danny's whatever it is I don't WanNa go to Chili's and Applebee's really bitch. I can go to applebees anywhere. Tell me where's the restaurant? That is grimy along where it's an appears. Yeah Yeah you gotta ask for you know. Hey baby so I like that. And I'm also big Sushi Guy. Yeah love that. What SUSHI PLACES TO GO IN LA? There's a few boos a good one. Oh Shit y'all go to Nobu. That's Shell Tom Money. Great I like you know what I go to the one in Malibu yes one time dutiful girl. We're ATMANE AT NOBU fighting. It was terrible. That's the worst thing in the world when you get into a fight and you're fucking at an expansion. I'm still trying to enjoy it too. Was like you know and you always. Ooh yellowtail wishes. She'll pepper fix it while you're arguing with chopsticks in your hands. So that was a nightmare. I like three hundred dollar bill at at insult to injury. Koi Your career across the street from seems like you like the fusion of fun sushi places. I guess I do because sometimes I want a hot dish. I love cats. Sui in Brentwood Catan next to the comedy store. Okay like those types sometimes. Yeah and then also just like regular traditional you know. Just Gimme some fish. Ever go to Catania after doing us at the comedy store. No I've never done that. I don't like Catanha okay. The one next is so Hollywood. Yeah it's it's to fancying is always like somewhere else. There's always some beat in the background on own. And you're you're trying to eat and you can't talk. I hate that place. It's very like Russian oligarch Russians with shitty clothes on. Yeah I feel like you're hitman there for the we'll be back with more of the episode right after this steakhouses are great but dumb expensive. You can make just as delicious estate at home. Using my favorite technique the reverse sear method. Heat the oven to two hundred degrees seen a thick piece of dry age steak with way more salt-and-pepper than you think you need. Cook to an internal temperature of one hundred thirteen degrees. Then throw it on a scalding hot skillet to get both sides charred and Voila. You just saved hundreds of dollars and you don't have to deal with those. Non Woke steakhouse waiters. Hey you two. What would it be for the lady about some VODKA NEAT? She's already got huge rocks. You know what I'm talking about. Okay back there so we're GONNA do some questions. I sent you the that those questions These are these. Are these accidents questions? Giving people homework on yeah podcast. Nbc or Yeah we take. The video are five people who are listening to this now. We're the number one food podcast in the country now. Oh Wow no fucking number. One Food podcast. But I mean within. Podcasts are there is the number one food podcast by an Iranian Jewish host in the country. It's a big market in another guy. What is your earliest memory? My earliest food memory. Oh Man I think going to this restaurant called carnation with my mom okay. Yeah it was used to be on. I think it was on Wilshire. You grew up in L. A. I grew up in La. It's called coronation. It was and it was like next to the carnation is cream and they had a cafe attached to it was called carnations. Always remember that place. Yeah because I always had great shakes and yeah desserts and stuff like that so I remember going to go in there with my mom. Okay what is your death row meal? You've committed a murder. You're in jail you about to die you get one meal. I'll get one meal. I was going to be a steak with greenhorns. It'd be a fat steak with cream. Corn from where promotion prime or masters from ocean prime. And then I would want a Sushi. Appetizer okay and that's why I wanNA ocean prime right because it's like you're gonNA get your steak but we're going to open up with a little yellow tells. Yoshimi I gotTa Say Sushi steak the Best Surf and turf. Yes steak lobster. I don't quite get it guy. Yeah some reason I just don't like lobster allows texture to me. I just don't want it's fine. If lobster was a quarter of the price I'd be like this is great but I don't understand why you're paying that much money for that flavor okay. What is the best high end meal that you've ever had the best high in meal I've ever had? I've had so many of them yet. It's hard to really Buji Yeah I'm Kinda Buju many. I've had so many because I just I love to eat. Well yes I want I want to. I'm a creature of comfort so I don't I you know I want to go to the place that's going to be more expensive. I don't care I I like the service I like all that I mean the whole the whole thing but I I would. I want to say him and actually I'm going to mend this and it can't be a steakhouse or a sushi place. I want like a different. It was probably probably in Saudi Arabia. Alcohol Saudi Arabia and it was like this like seven course meal that I couldn't even eat some of the stuff because it was like you know illegal meets. You know what I mean all the Eagle Snow Leopard. I've thought like that. Scene in raiders of the lost Ark chilled monkey brains. I felt like that but it was just so elegant. How cool was it like an Arab restaurant or was it was at? It was catered thing at a hotel. No way just really fancy hotel with like a A cigar bar in the PENTHOUSE UNO. So this is like it was just fantastic but it was like deer how cool I was just like. Whoa this is so you know what I mean. That's fun what was the. What was the service at that? Was it like? Did you feel like a King? Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. I was ready to like topple a government. I was going to go to village. Not Give me a virgin. It's crazy what is the best low end meal that you've ever had the best low end. Meal Yeah Tommy's what's Thomas Tommy? The Chilli Cheese this guy you know what I mean like. We're both looking at him. Like I want to punch him in the face if it is it is it. Local and sustainable. That's talking. I love you. Maggie Chili cheeseburger place. Oh Yeah I've never been there for so long great and I remember you know what is funny that we're talking about this. I had a big brother from big of America. Okay you know so seven years old and he took me to this place and he was like he made a big deal out of it. He was like all right. Miss you know your order when you go up you gotTA order. You got to move on because they are you know and it was like it was like I was so excited. I was like Chili cheeseburger. Bill but that place is great when you want to just you know. That's a good low end and pinks is another one thinks hotdogs overrated Been a long. I do think it's overrated by used to go once a year to clean out my system because I we get like things by the way is not everyone's from la. It's the number one podcast in the country. is a hotdog place where there's always a huge huge high but it's like it's more than just a hot dog I would get. I would go there and get a chilly. Cheeseburger with Bacon and a fried egg. Ooh Yeah Holy Shit. That's my shit crumble. Lipitor on top of that is awesome. What is so? You don't drink so I guess we won't ask you. What your favorite drunk. Yeah I don't I don't drink so we don't ask you. What your favorite hangover food is. what is but let's say not hangover but let's say you're having a lazy Sunday. There's something you're GonNa Order in your comfort food like. What's Your Comfort Food Man? I don't really necessarily have a bad comfort food. Actually I always consider Sushi my comfort food really because there was a Sushi. Place down the street from where I live and I and I got it was. This guy introduced me to Sushi. Yeah you like you know. Tricked me into eating Sushi? And then so that became my spot. It was like my cheers. Go it was like my I would come in there. Sit at the bar like we were just getting yelled out a lot a lot we would just be APP and so that became like a comfort place for me so I would get like you know so so. Sushi is always think of it like that interesting. I I think for comfort food for me it needs to be warm and maybe a little crest or Chris Blake and pizza right right right So I wouldn't normally think Sushi but I get. The vibe is a specific thing. Yeah Yeah but like yeah but you know I love pizza. Yeah you know what I mean. I love a good pizza I love inside pieces overrated people from New York. Go Fuck Yourself. Okay your pizza's fine. I'm from New York actually do think I'm from New York and actually think Elliot's Pizza is better than new. York's right now but I don't think it does. I don't think it needs a rank doesn't it doesn't break it really doesn't matter no one cares. Chicago Pizza New York Pizza. They're all the fracas same is pizza. Man Wow did a blind taste test. You wouldn't be like this. Smells like you know. What would you say the same thing about Tacos? It depends what what is there. I mean is there another food? 'cause I love tacos okay? There's a good comfort food. Yeah like a like a good burrito from a from A. There's a truck and drive off law. Cnn gotTa from the comedy store is a truck at a car wash and it's there every day. Oh Yeah I know what I'm talking about. I stopped here. Sometimes they got A. They got great burrito He. I know that place the huge alpes store thing out so I love a good. That stuff's good for a good a good some straight talk just three street tacos is a great like that was great. Yeah lease on your fingers. I kinda shit absolutely. How's everything going with your girlfriend? And she texting you back break. We're not. We're not favorite break-up food. You're broken up you man. I'm still gonNA. I'm GONNA go stakeout. Yeah that's a good break up another check with Maggie. What is what is your. Don't worry baby I'm already go. Tell them no gluten Dairy Vegas love you. I'm getting scared listening. And she's totally going to. She got better things to do. What is your okay desert island food? So you're on a desert island. You have one thing you're gonNA have to eat for the rest of your life. Oh No I'M GONNA get tired of it. Oh my God well. Why do they have that? Why do they have that desert island? Yeah well you know you. Don't take it so literally. You're not literally trapped on. It is no no no but I'm saying when people take this question literally like bananas and Coconut Water to survive. I'm saying I would say I would want Mexican food. Okay because then because then I can. Even though it's the same I could get it in different shapes you right so I wanna Taco Bell there because it'd be like okay. GimMe a today. I want a burrito. So you want meat in a Tortilla right. It's me thirteen. And then the next day I'd be like GimMe Taco. Also meet but the tortillas shaped like this right you know guacamole. Yeah Yeah yes I would want. I want a some variety very cheap. I like that. That's a very good way around around the question. That's what I'm saying. You said like you're on a desert. It'd be like okay. Do I get a steak right? But then you can like you know. It's like so and this desert island. They have a lot of things because they have the meat for the CHARCOS Tortilla Lady. The the rest of her life. You pitching me. The Desert Island. Let's shark tank. Dan Hear me out. I was going to be great. What food can't you stand eating? You can't stand these the opinion I'm with you. It's like it's like people that like Ethiopian. Food go fuck yourself okay. These are the most pretentious pieces of Shit. It's always why people who have served in their lives and it's like you know why these people eat this food because there's nothing to eat of. That place is so nasty. That stupid Brown bread read to eat with your hands put things. I'm out. Smells LIKE AMMONIA? I can't it's like a fucking shitty sponge that was left in the back of your sink and now I have to scoop up shitty food. Yeah Yeah it's the worst. Oh Sorry Ethiopia. But Crash Tag. Sorry about that Ethiopia. Great people we love beat the Obama People Marathon. I'm with you bring them. And that's not even that Mr Kenyans but I'm sure they're good to fed general region. I don't like is disgusting to me. Yeah I'm with. I don't like clams thing that I'm not a fan of his to there to Lougee Ish. Yeah Rob Planner fucking. Yeah the only time I can do. A clamp is a small clam if it's like in a pasta or a pizza. I haven't tried that cooked but a big fucking rock lamb is too much. Wow see we have so much incumbent Eric. Oh God more in common than what? We matched with Rachel our last question. This is my favorite question. I've a feeling it's going to be very fun to riff on with. Ah What is your restaurant. Pet peeve. Don't get me started. Yes he should use it. Why would you do this? Think we have enough time to the people of Right? Before we my biggest pet peeve. Yeah right down my fucking order. Yes okay right to shit down this little magic trick you doing right now. This little memory game hated I. You're not impressing me. No you don't impress me you'll you'll give me Zaidi now. I'm like just bitching remember to order. House go remember because I'm finicky. Imagine Maggie right and you have to be like okay. No Soy Gluten free and then you've got to remember on that right right it down and it's someone who doesn't look like they have a great memory. I got this I was like no no. You don't because here's my problem with it 'cause now. I'm just waiting for the fuck up right. You know what I'm saying. Yeah because now. I'm just anticipating tomatoes on my. My right eye noticeably tomatoes. Because she didn't look like or he you know. I don't care who it is girl. Yeah hearing this right now and what I don't appreciate about. It is even when they get it right now. I'm still stressed out. Oh wow you got it right. Yeah and then. It's not like you feel like Oh a bonus. Uh Fuck Man. I just went through Atlanta stressed after this twenty minutes waiting for the foods. Shit wrong right to sit down. Fuck you kyle. No one gives a shit. Yeah that you have a fun little brain technique that you're gonNA. I'm working my memorization for my acting. Classes Yeah Bitch. You're a waiter okay. Okay we're a waiter when you check in here. Yeah check in at the Carl's junior. Yeah Yeah Yeah when you at Sizzler. You're not a says. Be a waiter so that's one can't stand the other one. I can't stand is don't ask me if I have a reservation if there's nobody in this motherfucker if I get hurt. No one's ever said that and I've never thought it but I hate it. Don't ask me this reservation. Just four tables available okay. Who's coming in right now. Sit Me at this table over here. I hate that so much. Oh my gosh. Yeah that's what do you say? Like what if I didn't what if I dare what difference I was a lunch rush coming in like there's like eight tables open but it's three PM. Yeah what are you waiting for? King stand there the other one of my other restaurant? I have so many. My pet peeve is like I don't WanNa be on. I Hate Training Day to waiters. Come over hi. Hi this is Suzie in its first day. I'm like Oh fuck okay it memorized. I Hate Training Day Training Day. I don't Wanna be your Guinea pig. This isn't grey's anatomy. Where like doctors? What do we do now? I think we should. I cut the these people. I don't want the MED student. Fuck I don't want the residents. I want the order. Where's the head of the hospital that won't take in this order? So those are I can't stand that those are very very good. Yeah very good Eric. Thank you so much. It's been very fun I hope you and Rachel sort things out on this. This'll be fun for me to tease her about if you don't pay steakhouse dinner. We'll go together all right. Sounds going to double. That'd be fun now. Gluten dairy. No you just whatever's nasty in the kitchen. Can You bring that out on a plate? Everything that makes food delicious. Our girls don't like it. You just have to separate reservations at the stake as me and you said one day and then we're just looking at this all right. Thanks this episode of green eggs and Ban was produced by Andrew Stephen Executive produced by Jeff Umbro and the glamorous. You can find more of their podcasts. At Todd Glamour at Dot Com. The theme music is beautiful. Food by Don an interstitial music is by brake master cylinder especial. 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How To Achieve Body Freedom With Amber Romaniuk

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How To Achieve Body Freedom With Amber Romaniuk

"The foaming podcast is a deer media. Production Hey guys. I'm Whitney port and this with wet a lot of you may unknown from reality. TV and the reality is a lot's happened since the hills with the which is dedicated to having real raw and occasionally ridiculous conversations and with the people who have had a profound impact on me. Life changing moments life-changing people because on with web very little is off limits. Hi guys welcome to with with. Today I'm having with Amber Romania. As soon as we were introduced I knew I had to bring her on. Amber amber is an emotional eating digestive hormone expert who helps professional women achieve optimal health. Through mindful eating self care and overcoming self sabotage with food. Ambro overcame her own emotional eating after gaining and losing more than a thousand pounds and spending over fifty thousand dollars on binge foods and spending spending five years balancing her hormones digestion now she helps others achieve body freedom so they have the confidence in health to create amazing lives. You can hear more more from her on her podcast. The no sugar coating podcast. We are about to learn a lot. Here is amber thank you so much for having me so happy. So you're here. You're all the way in from Canada. Yes well thank you so much for traveling here. It means so much to me. I think that your messaging so powerful and something that so many people people struggle with on a daily basis. I mean food is something that has to be a part of our lives and so it's very natural for people to have unhealthy relationships with it because the results of eating too much or not eating enough whatever. It is have a huge impact on how you look your self esteem. It's just such a powerful thing so I i WanNa start with just your story and how you became an emotional eating expert because it is something very rare and unique us us. Oh and thank you for asking. Because it's something that evolved and I never expected it to happen. It was through my personal experience of from a very young age like struggling with body image. I mean a couple of memorable moments that really impacted my life. Were the first one I was five and it was my first going on the school bus and I got on the bus and and I was so excited and the older boys right away. We're like Oh look at her. She's fat she's an. I broke inside. I'm sure and was just like they must be telling the truth because they don't know me And so from there I became very shy. Definitely didn't want have any any guys as friends just like they're gonNA call me names. Judge me and food was something that never call me. Names never hurt me. It always tasted good. It made me feel. Oh good so growing up. That relationship with food evolved at a young age partially because of that and partially because my mom was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis before I was born. And so some of the things that you know you do with your mom. I couldn't do like walk really far. Gopher Day of shopping so part of her way to compensate was food. So we'd go and get my favorite foods. You always have my favorite foods at home and as I grew up I really witness that she actually also had a very emotional relationship with food and her body so I just really early like obsessed with like. I've got to look a certain way. I really want to have the perfect body. If I'm like thin and have this perfect body everything will be perfect. And I'll be happy and so I went through a very very strong period of restriction like under eating exercising to ours a Dan. I lost weight really fast and I really thought that it was going to be the answer but the irony of it is I actually became more critical of my sophos. Picking my body apart more became very arrogant. And also you know physically like my hormones started to decline my energy dropped. My cycle disappeared like all these things were happening. And one day I just said this is too difficult for me to attain and so then the switch flip in. It's like I won't way the other way and now here. I am spending my days off working retail driving around the city. You know buying six cupcakes and GM and driving to the drive through and getting a pizza and eating my car Her just like you know eating all the things I wasn't allowing myself to have and then here I go gaining sixty pounds in four months and now I'm the heaviest I've ever been in. I'm embarrassed embarrass right right. So you're isolating at home and now I'm like I don't hang out with my friends. I don't want people to see me because I've gained all this way. Like what are they gonNA think of me right but then you're just sitting at home eating your feelings and making it easy hours. Yep So would you consider this kind of like an addiction. Yeah it was definitely an addiction because does do good for a while and hop on the next diet right and then he came losing the weight again. I'm gaining control back but then something would trigger me you to go back to the food but it was like a crappy day at work. In native interaction with a co-worker family stress cravings like my sugar cravings were so bad so it would be like I'd obsess about sugar all day and then by the end of the day. It's like I've got to get to the store. I need ice cream. I need that cookie but then it turned into you know. Well if I'M GONNA the have one I might as well buy it all because this is the last time I'm going to do this because tomorrow I have to get back on the Diet. I've gotta get back into the weight loss trained to look perfect again so it would be like all out like I kid you not. It would be a basket full of food every time like bags of chips ice cream. Chocolate bars cookies. Bacon sandwiches like carbs. You know I could eat a whole block of cheese like to look back and think of how much I used to eat and I have some videos where I show up but it's I'm like I don't even know how I had the capacity acidy to take all this to do and a word only Yeah I mean like I've definitely struggled with body issues issues in the past I think part of it was being on. TV and seeing myself on TV and then just like judging myself. But I can't even imagine how hard it it is to do something that you literally feel like you have no control over. What made you really hit rock bottom like what made you hit the point where you were like I? I cannot do this anymore. I need to figure out what is going to save. And that's a great question and it still makes me emotional because I had finished a binge and I throw in the rest of the garbage and I was laying on the couch just crying kind of fearing for my life because the pain I was the physical pain was causing my body. I was so bloated. Every day was exhausted being up and down twenty pounds every other month. That's not healthy for your body and so I was laying there going. I'm not going to be here for very long if I keep this up. My Body can't handle this and so about an hour later after you know just laying there in pain and fear it's like this part of my brain lights up and goes. Oh but the cookies you through all the food up you gopher another cookie and so I literally found myself walking into my kitchen opening the door digging through the garbage judge grabbing the cookie and eating it and then I just sat on the floor and started to cry again because it was like I just ate out of a garbage can right like the level of demoratic probably just struck you like. Oh my God what is going on and the embarrassment and like nobody knows. I don't WanNa tell anybody like I just ate it of a garbage can and even one time. It got so bad that I went out into the dumpster to dig. And that's when it hit me and I'm like I don't want this to be my life life. This is not meant to be my life just knew it so deep down I have no idea how the heck I'm going to change it but I need to figure this out because this is not working for me right and so that was really the rock bottom moment and from there. It's like the fear of food not being a comfort zone anymore was smaller than the suffering offering that was happening and I think that's what happens for so many people is it's like I'm done with the suffering I'm done with the `isolation and from there. I really started to learn a lot about about my body and like my digestion Y so sensitive why my bloated all the time right. Why why do I feel puffy and why are we so tired and you know wire none of these diets working working? Why can't I lose weight and keep it off so I started to read more about food in particular starting with sugar because I was like why do I keep losing control with it? And why are my craving so bad and when I started to read about like refined sugar and how you know it can excite the same parts of the brain as a hard drug and you're an dopamine get boosting and you know your your blood sugar goes outta whack and it just impact so many things in the body that can increase your appetite levels so then I read about that. Wow Cam not crazy. There's actually aspects of food that I just haven't realized how the impact me and my brain chemistry in my body and I feel like each time I learned a piece of something about food or my body and became more aware where I was able to start making some changes like. Okay you know maybe I will try to limit Irish. Find sugar intake in US more natural sweeteners. Because I was so addicted to sugar like I personally they had to cut it out for four years. Because that's what I needed to do to get over it and I- different for everyone. But I feel like my case was very intense so it was things like that and then realizing glazing Iowa dairy allergy and they really don't make me feel only make. My skin breakout so you know learning gluten free dairy free in the kitchen and like changing the way that eight and it was kind of becoming an adventure at that point but what was bigger that I didn't realize yet was that I didn't know what Self Love was. I didn't love myself and so so learning that there was a very emotional aspect and there was a void that I was trying to fill with food really opened my eyes. Because I'm like I don't know how to cope with my emotions. I Dunno to cope a stress. All I've known as to eat and now your I'm learning how to eat differently. But what is it even feel like right off right. Eight how even navigate life as an adult has. We're just having this quick fix all the time. He didn't probably even know how to problem. Solve not at all did anyone. You won't ever try to step in because I had situations before were there have been people in my life that I've wanted to step in and say you know it's time to think about this and then then once I do it. I'm like Oh. Was it worth it. Because I can't forces person to do it like it has their own journey. It has to be their own. Rock bottom has has to be like you feeling like okay. It's time for me to love myself again. It can't be someone else wanting me to do it. That's going to push me to do it so did did anyone ever step in and try to have a talk with you and did it ever work or is it really just you needing to do this for yourself. That got you you to change. Yeah so I literally didn't tell anyone that I had gone through any of it until one on my S- my website when I started my business so I've literally on my own. I always wonder the people think there's something going on. 'cause my weight was alright so actually waiting so extremely. Yeah but no one ever said anything and so yeah for me. The only experience I I had one time I went in. I mustered up some money to go and see like a therapist or psychologist to like talk about it. 'cause they can help me and my experience unfortunately finally wasn't very uplifting and it's okay because it was a learning but I went and she essentially was just like you need to just not go to the store and buy the food and you need to learn how to love yourself and so that was like the only experience ahead of like telling someone and then getting their feedback so for me. It was like I had just this feeling like I need to do on my own. I don't know why but obviously really I just have this feeling that I need to figure it out. And how will the ups and downs of the experiences and now obviously I know why to to serve and help other people but I I agree with you. I think it's so so important that the person who is struggling with this they need to choose to want to share or to you know go okay. You know I'm ready to get help. Hope you can't force this can't say to someone. Oh you're struggling to get help. It's gotTa be when you're ready right because otherwise you can push people to shut down and or if they're not ready than they just may not have the success that they're you know wanting to have to gain freedom from emotional eating or food addiction or stress eating. You know it could be very smaller. It could be you know very extreme but whatever it is I just think it's so important to eight no you're not alone And be don't be embarrassed about it right right a right. It's it's so hard though. It's so hard how it feels like I can picture you know the imagery of you sitting with all that food like it can feel probably so shameful and to have to share that with other people is almost like two overwhelming so then the alternative Dave is just a continue to do it and live in this isolation yes. I think it so commendable that you like did this for yourself like I. I really don't think in many people have the strength to do that. And I'm so happy that you're on because I think that you are an example to so many people out there that even even if you do feel alone like it only really does take you to actually do something and now a word from our brand partner. I am so excited to talk. Do you guys about skin say. Skin say is spelled S. K. I. N. S. E.. I in case you're wondering because when I first heard it I was like wait. What how can I picture picture that anyways skin say is amazing it's truly personalized? 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What sources of education? What sources of of support like what were those things that you immediately turned to to get the help? Yeah so one of the first things that I needed to figure out was all the the different things that were triggering me to go to food like okay if I over exercise if I don't eat enough if I have too much refined food if I don't have a good sleep if I'm dehydrated like I was accumulating relating missile list and printed it and put it in every room of my house because sometimes they forget to check with my triggers first before going to the food so that was a huge pivotal point for amusement really really understanding my triggers. Then it was also learning about what is self care and how is self care helping me to connect with myself. How is self care helping being me to learn how to listen to my body and actually give her what she needs versus? Get all overwhelmed and end up again. Going to the food so for me. Meditation then became very important. Yoga became important. Deep breathing. journaling writing about how I'm feeling Like dancing and getting out and doing mindful movement not forcing myself to go to the gym and do crazy extreme workouts. Because I hide right ditching. The exercise that I didn't like was so important to and it was also learning to practice being nice to myself so starting to catch negative self talk and or the want to go on an obsess about the scale or that. I'm not this clothing being size yet. start to catch that. Ingo no like right now. I am enough. This is something I like about myself. And I'm actually grateful eightfold because my body is giving me the chance to you know work on healing from this and I think that really homies to build gratitude and then I started my business. Yes and I think that was huge for me because I started to share my story then and that's when I really started to realize I am not alone and there's so many people so many women that I would have never ever expected going through the exact same or something so similar and it. It really made me go. I WANNA share the story with a world just to let people people know that they're not alone that these women are not alone and you know that and getting into my business it really helped me grow. It helped me as well learn a lot about myself. I self and in managing like balancing my schedule to make sure I'm monitoring my body and not just go go going with all of that so I think that was a huge piece too because what I really learned was was. I had an experience where my hormones were really significantly out of walks still after recovering from the food addiction. An irony of it was I was still the Gogo going in my schedule and I was really tired and still move exercising lot and I was gaining weight. And I'm laying. What the heck is going on right? I'm I'm not binging anymore and this is happening and so it's literally like I had a great year in my business and there's so many positive things happening and I looked at myself in the mirror and I said if this is the way that I meant to be right now I fully love and accept myself and this and it's like something clicked in that moment of evolution of doing all these things for myself and the irony of it is then. I quit the gym and really really committed to arresting and honoring my body. And it's like I refer to it as protection. Really feel like the body hangs onto protection when she doesn't feel safe. It's like it just melted off without meat doing anything on it right. So that's the power of what happens when we build the healthy relationship with food food. We learn how to listen to our bodies we deal with a gain those other physical aspects because there's so many hormones digestive going on with people and other things so when you can learn about those things and then take Carib them you really can sit back and breathe them and let your body. Just moved whatever's natural regarding that weight. I I think something that you said really rings true for me like the negative self talk I think is something that we all subconsciously. Do so much that we don't even realize that we're doing and if you can really like try to train your brain not to do that and then tell yourself amazing nice things yourself as funny as it sounds when you say it in your head like I really do think that that will then have an effect on on your body on your chemistry like the other day. When I was was in Yoga we were sitting at the end? And I was saying to myself like Whitney you are. You're amazing like you're going to get through This week you are going to be filled with energy you are not going to feel exhausted but if you do feel exhausted like don't beat yourself up and you're GONNA be there for Timmy and and you're GonNa be a rock for him and I was like. It was kind of the first time I had done that in a really long time and I walked out of there like feeling a sense of celebrity. Like a lightness and I really feel like as silly as it sounds sometimes to do is I mean obviously so important right yes. It's so needed and I think what seem so foreign at first is because we get so used to that negative self talk in putting ourselves down that if feels weird and awkward to shift. I am because we're stepping out of the comfort zone of negativity and stepping into the uncomfortable. which is the unknown and I always say we all have this ego that self sabotaging mindset that that wants to come up and take us out of our power? But what's so valuable is the more aware you can become that voice and Kinda go. Oh this is what it feels like when I give my power away or when I start to talk doc negatively to myself you can catch it and you can go into that positive self talk and encourage yourself in and have gratitude for things and and do just as you did and it up lifts you when you get energized and it pulls you back into your power and it's like okay. Yeah you know what had a moment but I can move on now and I think it's so important to embrace that that first weirdness or awkwardness that can come along with it. Because I really agree with you. And I believe that our cells listened to our thoughts and that plays a huge role on our not only our emotional L. Health but our physical as well You obviously learned so much and it turned into a passion and it became a career. Sure and you have developed this term body freedom so tell me what your what your job looks like like what Your Life Looks Mike on a daily basis and helping others and what like body freedom is all about. Yeah so for me. I connect with all of my clients online They're all female of course kind of all over the world. So they find me from podcasts or website or wherever social media and so I support them and work with them about about three days a week and so I work very closely with my clients. Were connecting every week or every. Other week I find. They need that close knit support because again it can be so vulnerable to go from that diet too emotional eating mentality. And so then when I'm not doing that. In Mount Lake in meetings or networking I'm talking to my team. Developing new content like videos or podcasts casts to share right to help educate and inform my audience and then of course starting to do a little bit more travel especially things like this is so fun to get out in in connect and a gain share share the story and the voice so and then for me. My kind of work like balance is really important when it comes to like you know. I'm done work at this time. Then it self care having my connection time With my boyfriend or like weekends are very important to like get into nature just like really chill taking care of myself because I found in the beginning of my business. I didn't have that and I started to resent my passion is so important and not and then body freedom to me. It's really it's a light fight. You feel confident you. It's like you get these butterflies in your chest when you think about yourself instead of thinking about a loved one and getting that like uplifting. Happy Feeling it's when you think about yourself and it's like I'm so grateful for my body and everything she does for me I think body freedom is also about you. Know any symptoms that you used to have so say you're really tired or you know you struggle certain digestive issues or or again that body Mitch. Peace and it's not accepting. That is your normal because I think one of the things that that has happened in society is accepting you know feeling under the weather accepting all these massive. PMS menopause symptoms as normal. And it's like no you can totally totally have body freedom by building that healthy relationship with food learning how to love and rediscover who you are and also being freer really minimizing those physical symptoms right that to me is the epitome of body. Freedom is both physical and emotional right well. That's what I was just going to ask is. What is the difference? France between emotional and physical hunger. You know because sometimes we can feel hungry but that may be like our brains way of tracking us into feeling like we need something when we actually don't to fill a void. So what is that difference. Yeah so there's a few different ways to tell I find emotional is any reason to eat other than physical hunger. So it's like you've already eaten. And then you want a snack or their stress sending gain. You're going to that food you're thirsty. Your body is actually hydrated but your body signaling for you to eat in hopes that you'll go for water rich foods so there can be some physical aspects that come to that But physically accuser. Going to be your stomach's grumbling your blood sugars low so your son feel that energy drop brain fog. Maybe your memories not working as good gigabit hang green in yes and then. Ideally you're getting the hunger signal so you get this feeling that kind of comes up from your stomach kinda going okay. I think I need to eat now for some people. They don't get get that signal and that can be for many reasons metabolism hormones etc.. But if you're going you know what I never get any feeling that I'm hungry. Perhaps you're not eating enough either. So that's another thing to look for is if you're not eating enough you're getting hungry right so fascinating though. Because I find a lot of my clients with thyroid trade imbalances like an undrafted thyroid. They never have that signal but once we get things going and we balance there you know eating and get them in a healthy relationship with food and they start to get that signal. It's mind blowing for them because it's something maybe the first time in their life they're experiencing. Wow and now a word from our brand Dan partner you guys engagement season is in full swing right now. It is actually the most popular time to pop the question. I'm not surprised surprise. Everyone's feeling all warm and romantic right. 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It's like Holistic for me even though the schooling was great but I really pride myself off the personal experience because I just think that that was like a ten year experience of like the depths of the the food addiction and the negative self with the body image in the fight with the exercise and trying every diet way and then also going along with you know the digestive in hormone piecyk learned so much about my deliver in my large intestines and food sensitivities and hormone imbalances. You name it. I had them like my cortisol was five times too high. I had the underactive thyroid. I had the estrogen dominance. That's where your estrogen is way too high in your projections. Way Too low so you know going through all that which of course was created from the food addiction and balancing it all will really. I started attracting just like all these women with similar things going on and so it really helped me to do my research but then also from that personal experience of seeing you know different things that work for different people in a lot easier to support my clients with those pieces right right so interesting yeah. It's fascinating I mean. I do think it's so powerful that it's something that specifically happened to you because I have always thought about. Gosh I wish I could go to therapists. That like had similar problems that they had and they got through them so that I could know that like what they're telling me to do actually worked so not that I wish this upon anyone or that. I'm happy it happened to you but I think vet for so many people probably gives them such a profound sense of you know comfort knowing that you have been there to one hundred percent so is most of your work you said the year skyping with people talking with people on a regular basis. You're basically like the emotional support system for people that are trying to like get over this unhealthy relationship with food right. You're essentially like a therapist for people with eating. Yeah order is eating disorder even even like a term that people views I find it to be very permanent label but I'd say the unhealthy relationship with food or the relationship ship food and yeah so it's like I'm really supporting them and helping them learn how to listen to their bodies with what's triggering them to continue to eat in that diet mentality. I'm helping them undue do those old mentalities and create new so it is a lot of mindset work and then along with that. I'm also helping them. You know with their balancing their digestion. Yeah so it's like if you have acid reflux or a gase in your pancer fitting type by the end of the day like those are all things to pay attention to you because by the end of a term of someone working with me. There's it's no more of symptoms like that and then you know we're looking at hormones and I'm just making like game very basic but berry profound recommendations that are going to help someone. Naturally you know balancer Sir Cortisol or a or help with the thyroid So I do make a lot of food recommendations cheese and then from the lifestyle aspect. It's a lot of self care of mindset inset work And then again you know just helping them understand they have an ego in that their egos really been in control and once they learn about that and they learned that there's a difference between the true threw them in the self sabotaging part of them. Then they can start to use the tools in the coaching to help them go. You know what I'm not in my power right now. I've been triggered and I need to go go and journal about this or meditate or you know what I am actually physically hungry so I need to actually go and eat my food. mindfully right. Hopefully without any distractions and just help me digest properly and move on right right so so I feel like we live in a world right now. I mean if you like. It's been like this for a while but people are so overstressed verdant and with that comes a lot of unhealthy relationships with food just because one there may not be enough time to make healthy food or they may be turning food because they are overstressed. And then there's guilt and shame the next day so like if you could give us just some couple quick tips chiefs for maintaining a healthy relationship with food while undergoing a lot of stress like a lot of people do daily the basis. What would you say like what are just some quick tips or click mantras? We can ourselves. I think the first thing always have healthy snacks to take with you on the go. So whether it's like a bag of nuts or of your favorite bar fruit Veggie bags like I think it's important to just take a few minutes to prep your snacks at least Because that's going to help to support you. Through the day stay hydrated have a water bottle. Take it with you everywhere. I think that's so important because it's again going to help your energy level stays stable and I also think that it's important to either dedicate etiquette bit of time to food. Prep every week or get some support whether it's like you're getting a delivery service or where you're working every day you have access to healthy food because it sets so you up for success right. What hormone imbalances contribute to like low energy or weight gain or brain fog because I have been feeling like super foggy really low energy? Sometimes I just tell myself it's because I have a two year old and my life life is busy and I've got you know a million different jobs But I feel then at other times there may be some things that are going on that. I'm unaware of my my body so tell us a little bit about. Though a huge one is cortisol cortisol stress hormone produce it when you have a stress response response. So it's essentially like that Adrenalin rush but the problem is is that we have them all the time and and the way that it's meant to work from the caveman days is you're out. You're hunting you. You see a bear you go into fighter flight to run away to help save you but it's like you get cut off in traffic or at traffic jam and then there's like work stress and personal stuff going on and so what happens is you produce too much cortisol all the time and those elevated levels in your blood or for some people it gets too low. I'm it starts to them. You know produce the stress response. That's where you're draining your energy depleting your B. Vitamins and the B.. Vitamins are the energy vitamins. And I find a lot of my clients also have a low vitamin B twelve which is the specific energy vitamin men. And that's because the more stress you are again if you're burning through those vitamins. Real burning through a lot of magnesium which is a great natural relaxant of Elba sleep in muscle relaxation nations zone. Those things are getting depleted in. Your Cortisol is getting too high it contributes to that. What is that brain fog and poor memory and putting the milk in the cupboard in the Israel in the fridge? Kind of mentality And so those to hire Shula Cortisol says one. Another one is definitely I find a lot of women are having issues is with underactive thyroid so sluggish thyroid and that brain fog having troubles really waking up in the morning and you're going to be another sign hair loss cold hands and feet as well uh-huh and then iron so I find for a lot of people. If they're deficient in iron they will have lower energy so that can definitely be a contributing factor and then for some women progesterone so I find if progesterone is really low that again can contribute about low energy and brain fog so often do encourage you know just anyone in general. Who's listening if if you've never had a good hormone you know blood work done like get it done because you think? Oh well yeah. I don't need to do it because you know I'm a certain age. I'm too young among trust me out of everyone. I've worked with over the last six years. I've only had one person come back with blood work. That looked good off the marrow. It's like mind blowing to see some of the numbers that happen so I just think that that's like a really important and like simple aspect to look at if you're having those symptoms and if you're sleeping twelve hours a day in your waking not feeling rested that is just like such a red flag that there is either some kind of hormoner other symptoms going on in the body that you know. I really believe the body talks to US symptoms. And she's trying to say hey. I've got the stuff going on. Can you take some action to investigate it so that we can get feeling better right right right. I mean and that's one of those things things that feels kind of like an easy solution like their vitamins and supplements we can turn to to help us. Like have more of those those things in our bodies obviously the cortisol like releasing the stress is something that we have to actually do and have control over but it is so important that people think about getting some some extra vitamins and supplements into their routines. Yes and you know what's so interesting wrote supplements is when we are stressed the nines and if we're not absorbing properly through our digestive system we can just end up with really expensive key right sometimes like it's good to to do that supplementation but if your digestion is also to balanced balanced I could be contributing to the High Court is also we've got to deal with your stomach acid we've gotta deal with food sensitivities and a big one is gut flora so often find for a lot of my clients their Gut Flora Laura is out of balance so there's a supposed to be a balance of happy healthy bacteria in your large intestine and then just a small imbalance of bad if you've ever had to take antibiotics you've drank alcohol Paul. Eaton sugar had an unhealthy relationship with food at Kim. Just go off very easily. And so that is a twenty four hour stressor in the body all those unhealthy bugs and so that again can can contribute to that brain fog and and really tired feeling and so whilst they think it's great to get testing done in like or look at certain symptoms. I think it's so important to look at the full aspect because again like some people go and get these recommendations and they're like okay. I'm taking all the stuff that how come. I'm not feeling better. And there may be a whole other a piece of the puzzle right distress management. That still needs to be addressed. And that's how I see the digestive piece being such a key part of that. Because then people are absorbing better and then all of a sudden the supplements working better or now. They're getting more from their food because everything's just functioning more easily. Wow so so much good information. Will you've been so amazing. I've learned so much from you. Where can everybody find you on instagram? Your podcast fast or website. Talent so you can find me on my website at Amer approved dot C. A. Amber approved. Yes Dot C. A.. And if you're curious if you're struggling with emotional eating yeah I have a quiz there. You can easily schedule and talk to me. I have my podcast which is called the no sugar coating podcasts available on all podcast APP. Amazing and then you can find me on instagram. It's my name Amber Romantic so R. O. M. A. N. K. amazing. Well thank you so much for coming all the way from Canada to talk to. Oh thank you so much for having me. It was so worth the trip. Thank you guys so much for listening. I hope you loved this episode. Don't forget to subscribe Gripe rate and review. I'd love to hear what you think and anything more or even less you'd want to hear about tune in every Tuesday for a new episode. 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