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Fresh update on "donald trump" discussed on The Yola Nash Show
"All day long. But I'm here to tell you the truth as I see it. And as I see it, this is a guy who stood back while this virus is spreading across this country and did nothing and it's time for him to go, Deborah, Thanks to call 149 to 2 to 100 for a W A B c. Let me go to kneel in Can asi Neil Do I have to explain to me about this living with fair wage? I'm an electrician's. I got 30 years in. I went to school and stuff like that. I go to my job. The guy offers me $18 dollars. I have the right to walk out that door. Death because some guy comes over the border with no experience. You think he deserves to get $35 I were like, you know one, you know that. You think that you know, I'll tell you what the difference is Neal. Okay. And and thank you for working. I appreciate it. But the guy who's coming here illegally. Is always on guard for what could what shoe could drop. He's basically an indentured servant when he gets here, or she gets here, Okay, you have the opportunity as an American to kind of walk out. You're an electrician's. I don't know if your union electrician's or not, but you know there have been battles fought for American workers. Battles fought by organized labor that also help people who are not in organized labor. We would have a 40 hour work week we won't have a weekend, but for that labour, let's be. Let's be clear on that. 100 for 892221 808 for eight W A. B. C. Let me get to the gym in my gym in Manhattan, Jim Yeah. Chris, you big talking. You're Willinto debate. Mark Levin and Sean Hannity about Michael Savage Bench of hero or taco calls Tell you're right. Nor just can't tell you right now. Let me put this out there Right now. I used to be a regular on Tucker Carlson show is to debate him once a week. One on one. Tucker Carlson doesn't have anybody on the show anymore. That disagrees with him that has half a brain. So I don't know what happened to Tucker. I usedto love Tucker. I've known talker since before he had a show. Okay, And I still love Tucker. Even though I disagree with him Vehemently. I'll debate him any time he wants. Invite me on. I've debated them before Google it. There's a lot of times where I've debated him and made him look foolish on his own show. Okay. As for Ben Shapiro, I met Ben Shapiro when he was 19 years old or eight. Maybe even younger United, 16 years old when I was a kid who wrote a book about being a conservative and we were on Fox and friends together. I know Ben Shapiro. I've debated his buddy Michael Knowles. If bench appear Oh, invited beyond I'd come on his show is kind of boring. So if I came on the show, it would be a lot more exciting Jim and my ass for Michael Savage. First of all, I have a hard time hearing what's coming out of his mouth because he talks like he's got marbles in his mouth. But if Michael Savage wants me to come on his heir, I will gladly come on his heir. But let me tell you this Michael Savage, I am coming for your markets. They're Jim. How's that for your answer? Big guy. Big Coco, you are. I am a big talker. That's right. That's why that's why I'll go shows I will go on those shows and I will talk them down because they lie to the American people every single day and I will go in there armed with one thing, only the truth. And you shall know the truth. America and the truth shall set you free. What? 808 for 892221 808 for a W A B c man. I got a lot of calls going on right now. I need like six more hours to get through these calls went eight for 89 to 2 to let me go to Alfred and Walden. Alfred. Speaking right now, things God, how you doing out? Doing very well, My friend. I just played a round of golf and I came home and turned the radio on. And you're the only guy that ever heard on the radio. Say the truth. Thank you. I've been in this country for 24 years. And no one gave me a right. You have any papers and people say that I shouldn't be here that all the business I work 80 hours from day one, right? So I got in this country. And the way you explained about your grandfather. That's where exactly people been called me for 24 years, but the last two years, I think I know how the line life is when people ask me. Are you a citizen? Because I don't want to get in competition with people. That's hell. No. So I tell him. Yes, I'm a citizen. But the last two years, I told exactly the truth. People like Fox News, and Donald Trump won people human beings like me that I got a family got three kids in this country. And I will have 100 million% First guy I ever called my life and by the way outfit exactly. And by the way, Alfred, I bet you have more love for this country than anybody. People I love this country will tell you something. More than 99.99% of anybody ever born in me is the greatest nation right? God's Earth Every created It will never be one like, ever. And you have more if you want. You have been around for 200 years. Two out of 200,000 years as the scientist's goal, right? The smart guys, there is no better country. I always sleep with my friends, my customers. I own a business for 15 years hating my brother with my own doing. I populated by year ago off 150 grand a year taxes. That's just me working hard and I love paying taxes. You know why? Because it makes this country great. I want a court 60 days. I mean, 67 days a week, Anyway, my 1st 1 Yes, order because I work 115 hours and no, Alfred after. Let me tell you this because nobody else will Your great American. Okay, You're a great American and guys like Alfred, who come here for a better opportunity and work work. Work is what makes this country great and anybody who's trying to pick you against somebody else. It's because they don't have anything to offer. You Let me be 100% clear about that. If you're a worker in this country, if you get paid by the hour if you're paid by somebody else Or even if you own a small business And they want you to think that out for your enemy that Alfred is taken away your opportunity? No, they are taking away your opportunity. Alford's just.
Biden leads in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania due to COVID concerns
"Election. Now, our new battleground tracker poll says Joe Biden leads President Trump in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. CBS's elections and surveys Director Anthony Salvant hotels face a nation what this says for the election, and when you look at what's changed since 2016 Donald Trump won these states Based on a lot of voters who were looking for change when they look back. Now they tell us this is not necessarily what they expected. In fact, more say that things have gone worse then things have gone better, and that's kind of your classic voting calculus and play right now. Well, the
Fresh update on "donald trump" discussed on TJ Stearns
"10% of any plan when you use promo code Shapiro that's probably Shapiro. So you may be saying to yourself that perhaps the perhaps thes situation with Democrats basically trying to ignore all goodnews uncovered and pretended that the South West and that the South Southern belle to see the Sun Belt is being overwhelmed and all this and perhaps that is being overplayed. Like, why are they doing that? The reason they're doing that is one. They have a bad candidate Joe Biden and two That bad candidate is a shield for a far more radical Democratic party. So let's start with Joe Biden, who is just a terrible, terrible candidate. So Joe Biden was he asked about the cognitive tests, so he had said earlier that he's taken all sorts of cognitive tests, right? And then he was explicitly asked Errol Barnett of CBS News Whether he had in fact, taking the same cognitive, says the president Trump and he's like No. And then he says to Errol Barnett, a black interviewer. He asked him whether he has taken a cocaine test, which let me just say if Donald Trump asked a black interviewer whether they had recently taken a cocaine test The suggestions of racism. It would be in the air immediately, but Joe Biden is allowed to get away with anything with that weird. Cesar Romero joker smile because he is a Democrat, and Democrats are allowed to get away with everything. According to me, he was Joe Biden being both senile and foolish. Have you taken a cognitive? No, I haven't taken a test. Why the hell would I take a test? Come on, man. That's like saying you before you got in this program. You take a test where you're taking cocaine or not. What do you think I am? I am very willing to let the American public judge my physical mental filled my physical as well as my mental field fitness. Has it gone hasn't gone. I'm fully willing to let the American public judge my family. Jacob's dad grew him. So you're narcoleptic Democratic candidate. He's got a problem on his hands. He's a bad candidate. So he has a couple of advantages won is that Donald Trump is extraordinarily volatile and makes lots of booze and the second is the colored situation. And so Democrats are playing both to the hill. They have to do that, because the truth is that their policy suck and what we've seen in major cities is there. They're talking about the funding the police. They are there watching as crime rates skyrocket in major cities around the I did states. Joe Biden is not going to stand in the way of any of that. There's tape of Minneapolis business was going a little viral talking about how they need more police in Minneapolis, because this is insane. I mean, Minneapolis is being overrun by criminals because the city has basically decided to let the law abiding go by the wayside. No.
Battleground Tracker: Biden leads in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania
"CBS News, Just releasing a new battleground tracker poll today, and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden is leading President Donald Trump in two states. The president won back in 2016. Jennifer Do. Pento is CBS news deputy director for surveys on Election Night 2016. It was Wisconsin and Pennsylvania that put Donald Trump over the top and into the White House. But our current pole now finds that Biden is leading Trump and both of these states each by six points. White and leads Trump among independents. And he's also cut into Mr Trump's margins with white non college voters who had been a key part of Trump's space. Although Trump still leads among this group,
Fresh update on "donald trump" discussed on The Yola Nash Show
"At 1 808 for 89 to 2 to 100 a parade. W. ABC Donald Trump asked the governor of South Dakota. To put him on Mount Rushmore, America anybody he did this last year after getting walloped in the midterms. Okay, as the you know, this is a man who is the biggest megalomaniac to ever serve in the White House. He asked the governor of South Dakota. Ah, How did we get on the highway headed where I play to get on Mount Rushmore Governor. I think I've done more than any other president. Even George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, and they would just punks. I was born rich. There was a millionaire my whole life 149 to 2 to one Saturday for a W A B. C. Let me go. Tio Joe in the Bronx, Joe Hello. How you doing, Joe? You're on. Okay. And now I can hear you, Uh, press. The most colossal failure of the Trump Administration has been on his ironically, a signature issue, and then his immigration and with now can literally tens of millions of unemployed, newly minted unemployed people. Aziz a result of the corona virus epidemic, um Maybe it's time to reflect on the impact of immigration on the unemployment rate and the overall economy. Now, why do you think it is then? Wages, for example, have been stagnant for the last 40 plus years in the United States. One of the biggest reasons is because employers large corporations don't want to pay a living wage to Americans When they can hire illegals. I could tell you right now, I could tell you right now. Ah, Here's the thing. I don't think that workers should be pitted against each other. And people who come to this country from other countries seeking to work are coming here for a better life and what needs to happen? Is that they need to be organized in this country in much of the same way that Cesar Chavez organized the farm workers. In southern California. These were migrant workers, and he organized them. Those men and women are also workers, and we cannot have people who work with their hands and work with their body and work with their labor fighting amongst each other. Okay. We need to all come together and we need to unify What? Donald Trump. And people like Donald Trump want is they want you to place to play mon somebody else who's trying to work hard for a living on why your situation is bad. I am not going for that. Workers need to unite. They need to understand We're all in this together and whether your parents came here on the Mayflower or they just walked across the border. We're all in this together. If your work if you're look if you work with your hands if your labor God bless you. You're making this country work. You're making things Go your building it. You're fixing it. Don't blame somebody else who wants to do the same kind of work does the same kind of work because this country won't pay a living wage. There is a market for that labor here. Unemployment Before this crisis was full. There was no real unemployment and it was basically full employment. 33.5% 5%. Quite frankly, is full employment in America, 3.5% is less than full employment. You could there were. There were more want ads in the paper that there were jobs people to fill the jobs. So I get it. Donald Trump it some conservatives on this station and on other stations that I go on, like the Fox News Channel. What you two know They want you to hate them. They want you to consider them the other. And you know what? Maybe they've been successful in doing that. But when that topic comes up on my air, I'm going to tell you exactly what I think there. But for the grace of God go, I my grandfather was called a day Go. Why? Because he worked as the day went. He was also called a wop. What does that mean without papers? So you tell me. What's the difference between him and somebody who speaks Spanish walking across the border? Nothing. Nothing at all. And if you're a laborer, don't blame them. Lam the people who control this. This thing blame Trump and people like him won't support a living wage for all workers. 1 808 for 89 to 2 to 104 8 w A. B c God, I gotta look on the phones here. Don't even know I was. I went on a rant there. Let me go to Joe and Rocklin Crack County, Joe. Yeah, I know why I'm doing well, man. Hope you're doing okay? Yes. They got actually a cabdriver in Rockland. By the time of four clock rolls around, it gets really slow. So I just want to say thank you. I don't agree with most of the stuff you say. But you wake me up. I appreciate I try to wake everybody up and I appreciate the call and hopefully you'll agree with me more. Hopefully you agree with the statement. I just made the oil workers in this country man. And I've got to come together and I'm a man. Good. Good. Well, thanks for your call. Joy. Did I appreciate your call? Joe. Joe doesn't agree with everything I say, but he kind of likes it right? I won't. I won't. You know, I like it. I'll take it. I'll take what I could get. 1 808 for 89222348 W A B C. Let me see. Let me go to Debra in Moloch. Deborah, How you doing? I'm well, How are you, Chris? I'm doing great. I like the previous clever. I don't agree with most of what you say. But somehow I do two points. One is regarding people wanting to work. I'm all for it comes from very modest beginnings myself. I just wanted to pay taxes like I gave me to not get a free ride, by the way, Deborah that parting that's part of what's happening here in this country, right? There are wealthy people who are hiring people who are here. Ah, you know, without any legal status, and they are paying them off the books and creating a black market economy and keeping these people in fear And if we could, if we could just take them out of the shadows and organize them and give them some sort of legal status. We could tax their labor and we wouldn't have these Problems paying for the programs that we need in this country. There are people coming here to live on welfare. They're coming to work. Some are some aren't on done that That's trouble. You want everyone to have an opportunity, but But there are some people who want a free ride in which yeah, I don't think people are walking across the desert to get a free ride. I really don't. I just don't. I don't think my grandfather came here for a free ride and we worked and worked in a sweatshop. Ah, when he after he got out of the army, he worked in a sweatshop, and he worked 60 hour weeks to feed his family. And I think that that's the kind of effort I see in people who are coming here now. I think that's what makes America great. Right? I agree with that share wages, but might my other point Christmas? Do you honestly think that Joe Biden is going to be better than manage? Yes. I think that you, Debra, You've never worked in government, and I think you'd be better than Donald Trump. Okay, There's a guy walking down the street. I don't know anything about him. He'd be better than Donald Trump. As long as he's 35 years old and a natural born American citizen, I would pick that guy for president over battled Trump, Donald Green and just let me explain something to you. In the history of this country. Donald Trump is the worst president in the history of the American country. Now I know you listen to W A..
TikTok To Sue Trump Administration Over Ban, As Soon As Tuesday
"Tic TAC now saying it's going to sue the Trump administration over the president's executive order banning the Chinese out from the U. S. The Daily Mail reporting the video sharing services preparing pairing to file a federal lawsuit as early as Tuesday in the U. S District Court for the Southern District of California. NPR reports TIC TAC will argue Donald Trump's ban. Is unconstitutional because it did not give the company an opportunity to respond and that the national security justification given for the order is baseless. The Trump Administration and others, including Senator Chuck Schumer, have called the app dangerous because it shares users information with the Chinese government. So far, no comment by the White House regarding A potential lawsuit
Fresh "DONALD TRUMP" from Fox News Sunday
"A further increase in volume when people start their holiday shopping, so they're going to impose a surcharge in companies that ship a large number of items in the fall and winter. It'll range between one and $4 per package, depending on how it is shipped, Officials say. An earthquake the strongest in more than 100 years, shook much of North Carolina early today, rattling homes, buildings and residents. The National Weather Service in Greenville, says the 5.1 magnitude tumbler struck just after eight this morning following a much smaller quake several hours earlier. There were no immediate reports of damage or injuries. Climb and Kate's And I'm Susanna Palmer in the Bloomberg News Room. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York is criticizing the executive orders President Donald Trump signed yesterday, One day after the failed talks between the Trump administration and Democrats and Republicans over a new stimulus bill. The president's executive orders described in one word could be paltry in three words. Unworkable, weak and far too narrow. He also said a payroll tax deferment depletes money out of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds. Schumer was interviewed on ABC is this week not so fast on that Eastman Kodak drug deal More on that from Bloomberg's Denise Pellegrini, the federal agency that announced his $765 million loan to Kodak less than two weeks ago, said the offer is on hold. Pending probes into allegations of wrongdoing. Congress and the Securities and Exchange Commission are investigating, and Kodak's board is also opening a review. The development bank loan was intended to speed production of drugs, considered critical to treat covert 19 and corporate disclosures showed that code export members had purchased additional shares before that announcement. And the analysts have questioned whether Kodak camera company is truly equipped for large scale pharmaceutical manufacturing. A spokesperson for Kodak declined to comment in an email to the spell. O'Grady Bloomberg radio. A showdown that's threatening to bring down.
Europe's coronavirus resurgence: Are countries ready to prevent a 'second wave'?
"According to the UK Daily Mail. Second wave is striking EUROPE, Spain reintroduces lock down Greece's He's worrying rising cases. The virus is more active in Germany amid warnings friends could quote lose control at any moment. According to the UK Daily Mail. A second wave of covert 19 appears to be striking Europe, forcing Spain to reimpose lockdowns in case is speaking to a three month high in Greece. Head of Germany's doctors union has declared the country is already in the midst of the second wave because people have flouted social distancing rules. Well, this is perfectly predictable. You can't people keep people locked down forever. For literally years in time. It's not a thing that you could dio instead, you're going to have to at some point allow people who are young and healthy to go out there, and if they get it, they get it. That is fact what Sweden is doing in Sweden, which remember until five minutes ago was the bad guy. Sweden has basically flattened her. It looks like Sweden may have reached her immunity is what it actually looks like. Meanwhile, in other countries, they got a problem. In fact it it seems pretty obvious what's happening here. Italy has not seen a second object. Why hasn't Italy Tina? Second uptick because they got nailed. Basically, here's the rule If it burned three population maybe you're done. It is not burned through your population. You probably are not done. Spain's 8500 cases over the weekend and all inclusive resort in Majorca was shut down. Two towns north of Madrid has been put under strict lock down as well. Finland today announced plans to reintroduce recommendations to work from home whenever possible. By August 1st, Finland's cases had risen by more than 300% in two weeks. That run understands us that governor of Florida can't believe. Also governor of Finland Donald Trump, obviously blowing it over in Finland is blowing it over in France as well. Authorities in France grappling with a sharp increase in fresh cases, which has seen more than 7002 infections within the last week. As well as a rise in the number of people being treated for covert 19 in the I C U Around 1200 cases are being reported for day. Two weeks ago, he rolling average with 719. Meanwhile, in Germany, they're seeing an uptick as well. Some 730 cases have been reported each day on average this week against the 460 being recorded her day about two weeks ago. So the second wave is, in fact hitting Europe. It really is kind of the first wife. It really is more the 1st 1 because the first wave Basically just got a little bit squished. And delayed Basically, everything just got delayed. Meanwhile, Sweden seems to be coming out the other end of this. According to Newsweek. As of Sunday, the latest death rate in Sweden for 100,000 people was reported to be 56.4 figure is lower than that reported in the U. K 69.6, Spain 16.8 and Italy, according to the latest report Sunday by Johns Hopkins University. The UK currently has the world's 4th 4th highest death toll Spain in Italy, where the former to European countries hit worse by the outbreak. Sweden's latest case fatality ratio proportion of deaths compared total cases was reported to be about 7.1% and figure is more than half the percentage reported in the UK, half that of Italy in Belgium and nearly half that of France. The reason being that a lot of young people are getting it in Sweden, and he's burned through some of the young population and now they're basically done. Sweden's 70 rolling average daily new cases has been mostly declining since as far back as April 16th when the average was in 99. The average dropped it to two average daily new deaths on August 2nd, according to world Ometer. New infections for 100,000 people in Sweden reported in the past 14 days has dropped from 46% compared to that reported in the 14 days prior. Meanwhile, Spain, France, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, each spiking between 58 206% in new cases. New cases in Denmark, Norway and Finland. All the other places that supposedly handled it better than Sweden have also seen. Their percentage is increasing at around three times the percent drop in new cases scene in Sweden in the past two weeks. So what That sort of says is, it looks like Sweden. Maybe this thing it may look like it's over in Sweden. Under technologies epidemiologist, Sweden's Public health agency. What we've cut down on movement in society quite a lot, if compared how much we travel in Scandinavian countries. The decrease in travel is the same in Sweden, as in the neighboring countries. In many ways, the voluntary measures we've put in place in Sweden have been just as effective as complete lock down in other countries. In other words, when you tell people don't travel, all that much people take it pretty seriously. The point here is that for all the talk about how we know how to handle this, and we just have to shut everything down, Lock down this lock down there. Sweden and locked down and may be the smartest of all sweet may be the smartest of all.
Biden meets with Michigan's Gretchen Whitmer days before VP announcement
"Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer reportedly went to Delaware to meet with Joe Biden as he nears the announcement of his vice presidential choice to high ranking. Michigan Democrats, who spoke on condition of anonymity, say Whitmer visited Biden last Sunday. Political analysts. Greg Value says Whitmer brings three things to the table number one. She's got great energy, and she's 48 years old. Number two. She has the ability to get under Donald Trump Skin and number three. She's the governor, and she knows how to run a big state. Mrs. Biden first confirmed in person meeting with a potential running mate,
US intel: Russia working to defeat Biden; China and Iran prefer Trump defeat
"China and Iran one President Trump to be defeated. Russia wants him to win and is engaged in disinformation campaigns targeting Joe Biden. That's the word from an election's expert in the intelligence community. President Trump asked about the report in New Jersey could be and I could be very much I think that the last person Russia wants to see in offices Donald Trump, because nobody's been tougher on Russia that I have ever well, I don't care what anybody Throughout his administration. Intelligence leaders have said Russia did try to interfere in the 2016 election tried to influence 2018 and would do so again this year. But Costantini
"China Would Love Us Losing To Sleepy Joe Biden," Says Trump
"Report from U. S intelligence officials shows foreign powers are once again trying to influence the outcome of the upcoming election. The US intelligence community took an unprecedented step by publicly revealing who China and Russia favored to win in November with top officials writing. China prefers that President Trump in Beijing sees as unpredictable does not win reelection. China would love us. To have an election where Donald Trump lost too sleepy Joe bite, they would dream they would own our country. According to intelligence officials, Russia is actively trying to denigrate former Vice President Biden and what it sees as anti Russia establishment. That CBS News White House correspondent Paula Read.
Debates commission denies Trump request for 4th debate
"State lawmakers in North Carolina what President Donald Trump and Joe Biden to have an extra presidential debate House Speaker Tim Mohr and Senate leader Phil Berger pushing for 1/4 debate to be held in North Carolina. Trump's campaign has called for The additional debate, though, did not name a particular desired host site. The commission on Presidential Debates turned down the request. But said it would consider the possibility of an extra debate of both candidates agreed to it. Three presidential debates are currently scheduled to be held one in Cleveland, Miami and one in Nashville.
Trump's golf club press conference was a social distancing disaster
"Tonight Donald Trump is at his golf club in Bedminster New Jersey. We know that because the press was summoned for a press conference. That turned out to be a campaign rally of sorts in front of a crowd of assembled members of his golf club. Some of them just off the golf course many of them had a wine glass enhance some of them brought their kids many were not wearing masks. The president was played into the room door recording of hail to the chief. Again, it was less a news conference than it was a list of grievances a dizzying slew of demonstrably false claims including his latest version of how well he says the nation is doing while in the grip of a pandemic. It's going to disappear in the United States more than eighty percent of. Jurisdictions report declining cases were doing very well you don't hear that too often from the media but doing very well
US election 2020: China, Russia and Iran 'trying to influence' vote
"When when it it comes comes to to foreign foreign efforts efforts to to influence influence November's November's election. election. This This comes comes after after intelligence intelligence officials officials issued issued a a report report today today revealing revealing China China wants Joe Biden to win but Mr Trump to lose, while Russian operatives, especially through social media, are trying to influence Americans to vote for the president. President. Trump, however, offered some doubts. When question that this evening's news conference could be. I mean, I could be very much I think that the last person Russia wants to see in offices Donald Trump because nobody's been tougher on Russia that I have ever report also found that Iran is seeking to undermine the president. Depend on connects. For all the
Debate over mail-in voting heats up
"Another issue that is rising to the surface. The debate over mail in voting and the president critical of states like Nevada but very supportive of states like Florida and Arizona, which, by the way have Republican governors versus a Democratic governor. That's right Now, Trump has tried to draw a distinction between male voting and absentee voting, and there actually is a difference, according to election efforts in a state like Nevada, they are actually sending a ballad to every voter. It's different in Ah, in a state like Florida or a lot of other states, Republican and Democrat run election administrations where they're not sending every voter of ballot, But they're sending every registered voter an application for a ballot. So an absentee ballot is considered something that you have to ask. For now. A lot of states are Doing this for the first time sending absentee ballot applications to everyone removing the need for an excuse for an absentee ballot right in my state, Virginia and a lot of others in the past, you've had to. Ah, Ah sign affidavit that says, I have to vote absentee because I won't. I won't be here. I'm disabled or there's some reason that I cannot vote in person. States, including Virginia are removing that requirement. Removing things like, you know, notarization and witnessing requirements. To make it easier for people to vote from home. But still shop stopping short of sending everybody has ballot, which some conservative voting experts say that just leaves all these ballots lying around that people may not have wanted and opens the door sees an opportunity for fraud toe happen, and there have been a couple of isolated cases of that. Nevertheless, in almost every way and certainly when it comes to ballot security, the experts said. There really isn't a difference between vote by mail and absentee voting and the distinction that the president's trying to drive mostly based on where his friends are right which states he thinks he thinks you're likely to vote for him in which are likely. To vote against him and again, in spite of his attempts to turn this into a red blue divide. You really do have states of both political leanings across the country dramatically ramping up people's ability to vote from home ability to vote remotely. Not all. There's still some some outliers, and and so that's what a lot of election officials Experts to worry that that there's a lot of room for bad things to happen on. And like everything else that Corona viruses sort of exposed. This is a system that already had a lot of problems right. If the pandemic hadn't happened, you could imagine that you and I would be sitting here talking about foreign election interference allegations of voter fraud. All of these issues surrounding our election infrastructure there were already very serious and then the pandemic comes along and simultaneously exacerbates those issues. But also forces forces action. So we've seen this wholesale transformation in a lot of places of the ways that people are going to vote in in ways that could potentially because ah lot of confusion and a lot of delays. Once the once election rolls around, and one followed to that point, and you write about it in your time magazine piece is the president essentially trying to sow the seeds of doubt regarding the outcome of this election in November. That is the concern of a lot of experts again of both political persuasions that you and this is a drumbeat that Trump has has been ah, keeping up since since before the 2016 election and Ah when he said, You know, I couldn't guarantee that he would accept the result and then, of course, and now, of course, Republicans accused Democrats being the ones who never accepted the result. The legitimacy of the 2016 An election, although, of course Hillary Clinton did concede the day after. But again we have the president over and over, saying this election is going to be rigged. This election is going to be improper. The very existence of people voting by mail, a system that existed in many faiths long before Donald Trump was a candidate for anything but just saying that the existence of that system automatically guarantees This election will be fraud fraudulent on and part of the reason that that's potentially so serious number one because you know, democracy relies upon a certain measure of trust that people Trust in the system. Trust in institutions believe that it's an accurate representation of the popular will, but number two because there's so many unique challenges to this election because there's going to be such an unusual value of people voting by mail. I probably will take a while to count all those votes and you could imagine a situation where you know the early vote count goes for one candidate. That is more votes come in. It's hard to change. That's been very easy for that candidate Seo will somebody's monkeying with the number. Somebody's doing something improper, creating doubt in the minds of their supporters, potentially making their supporters want to take to the streets because they feel that their votes are being taken away from them, And that's very dangerous when it's not warranted when it's when it's nearly No Jen DUP in one's perceived political interests that really endangers the bedrock of our democracy. And so there's a lot of concern that that that people have accurate information that people understand that the vote will take a while to count very well may not know the winner of the presidential or many other close elections on election night, and that's OK. That's not something going wrong. In fact, that's the system functioning as it is supposed to function. We should all just take a deep breath and pay for those votes to get
New York Judge Nixes President Trump's Bid to Delay Lawsuit from Woman Alleging Rape
"Trump's bid to delay a lawsuit brought by a woman alleging rape. A New York judge has ruled against President Donald Trump in his attempt to delay a lawsuit brought by a woman who accused him of rape, pointing to a recent U. S. Supreme Court ruling that the president isn't immune from a criminal investigation by the Manhattan district attorney Judge Virna Saunders said the same principle applies to Fiji in Carol's defamation lawsuit, Carol says Trump slurred her in denying her claim that he raped her in the 19 nineties. Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz argues the Supreme Court ruling was limited to the criminal context and did not extend to civil matters. I'm Mike
Unemployment claims top 1 million for 20th straight week
"Two, million Americans filed for first time. Unemployment benefits is the twentieth straight week where more than a million people have filed for jobless claims. Recent polling shows that sixty nine percent of Americans believe the country is heading in the wrong direction a new report from the Bloomberg Misery Index. That's actually a real thing. It tallies inflation and unemployment outlooks for sixty countries reveals that quote the United States is projected to see the worst reversal of fortune this year in a ranking of global economic misery underscoring just how much havoc the pandemic has wrought America fell twenty five spots from the number fifty spot to the number twenty five spot that puts us behind countries like Russia and Mexico on the economic misery ranking. And yet, Donald Trump seems content to say it'll all go away. Not, pushing Republicans to come to a deal with Democrats to extend enhanced unemployment benefits and the moratorium on indictions. He's blaming problems on in states on governors, pressuring states with spiking cases to reopen their schools and spreading disinformation actual disinformation about the virus including claim about children. That is so dangerous that facebook and twitter both took a down they hardly take anything down. and. Today he twice claimed without evidence at a vaccine. We'll be ready before election day only to be fact checked by Dr. Anthony. FAUCI. We're trying very hard to. Get a vaccine that might be available by the end of the year or the beginning of two thousand, twenty one. But that's many months away.
Portland mayor decries violent protesters as props for Trump
"The mayor of Portland Oregon has angrily denounced protesters who tried to set a police precinct on fire with workers inside mayor Ted Wheeler didn't mince words you are not demonstrating you are attempting to commit murder after weeks of anti police protests and the withdrawal of federal officers he says a mob went way too far Wednesday trying to set a police station ablaze exits were blocked they were barricaded shut with cars and with two by fours security cameras were disabled and accelerates refused to sack and grow fires tear gas was deployed to disperse the crowd Wheeler told the protesters they're participating in the re election of Donald Trump saying that they'll be featured on the images used in trump campaign ads bolstering his law and order platform I am Jackie Quinn
Trump bans dealings with Chinese owners of TikTok
"How you can save on your first box. You may have heard that President Donald Trump has a thing against. TIKTOK. The wildly popular appetite young people love for making quick funny videos often set to music. What's the problem. Data, and who gets the data tiktok zone bite. Dance a Chinese company and should the Chinese Communist government demanded date be handed over well, the corporate owner by dance would have no choice but to comply right well, Donald Trump has actually gone through and signed an executive order banning companies from working with tick talks Chinese parent by dance. Again. As a parent, you might be wondering what's the problem? Let me explain unlike facebook Instagram, you're free to watch tick tock videos without registering, which means no data collection. However, if you want to create a video and shared or comment on someone's video, then you must fork over your personal information starting with age phone number and email address from their tiktok freely admits that collects information shared from third party, social network providers and technical, which means you're your computer location or phone computer or phone location and behavioral information. What video think are funny how often you watch? and. It also takes information contained in the messages that you send on the platform and information for your phone book. That's a lot. Now how's that different from facebook facebook's owned by an American company? If the United States, government went to facebook and said, give us all your data facebook could say, no could. Be based in China say, no to the communist government that's highly unlikely. So what to do I talked to a security expert Patrick Jephson who suggested parents should cancel the kids that if they already use TIKTOK, only use it to watch videos. So no data can be compiled on them. Additionally, users can opt to have their accounts listed as private and only select certain friends to gain viewing access. Now, you probably heard that Microsoft has expressed interest in
'Better America': Biden's Campaign Launches New National Ad
"In one thousand, nine, sixty, four Lyndon Johnson ran a now iconic campaign ad against Barry Goldwater where a little girl counts daisy pedals until her counting becomes the countdown to nuclear explosion idea being present goldwater has become elected and started a nuclear war because he's a madman. said. It. there. Is, are, the stakes. You'll make a world in which all of God's children can live. Aren't to go into the dark room, we must either love each other. Or we must die. Vote for President Johnson on November third, the stakes are too high for you to stay home. The stakes are that you're adorable daughter gets nuked. Now. Even though we're not living through a nuclear winter, we are living through a version of disaster. I mean a a national disaster resulting in thousands and thousands of deaths day after day after day and a new Joe Biden goes against the grain in many ways the opposite of the grand life and death scale the daisy at. The new the biden relates what a bummer. This current disastrous doesn't focus deaths, evictions, closed schools. It says, this virus is ruining the little things like seeing your grandkids. have been gifted with two beautiful grandchildren. We try to see them as often as possible and it's been six months. And it's way too long. And while I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, I blame him for his lack of action and because of that, we're sitting here zooming or facetime ing with our grandchildren instead of hugging and kissing them. And that's hard. Joe Biden knows every moment is precious I trust you Biden to get this virus under control? I'm Joe Biden and I approve this message. Seems like a really real smart relatable ad for a portion of the population that Joe Biden is trying to focus on. This is for all the people who were sold on idea that there was some normal around the Ben. During the trump years because there is no normal during trump that was false join me. Now for more on the different approaches, the two campaigns are taking is Adrian Shropshire. She's a veteran democratic strategist and executive director of black pack had a lot of experience in politics community organizing and ads as well and I just I was so struck by this ad agent because it's so understood in. So many ways given how terrible things are and given the kind of micro targeted median voter. He's trying to reach you know elderly couple or senior citizen couple in Florida. Yeah I mean the reality is that. Voters understand where we are. They understand the crisis that we're in. They do not. WanNa see campaign after campaign ad reminding them of our national. Right. I've said he focused move after folks. And what? The message that voters say that they want to hear is one of national unity. They WanNa hear message about a path forward how this mess is going to get fixed and I think the brilliant thing about that ad is that. while. It appears to be targeted at one segment of the electorate. The reality is that that is all of us, right? That is my entire family every Sunday night sitting zoom call, right so it is it is. There is a moment where the multipronged crisis that are facing the country are literally touching every single one of us and what's brilliant about the ad is that. You know it's it leads toward that unifying message right? It is it in every message quite frankly every ad I would hope to see that comes out of the campaign on is a way to unify to tell a message to tell a story that connects people about the moment that we're in. It's really if you think about it in this in this way having a national unity being a campaign strategy all by itself.
Ohio governor tests positive for COVID-19 ahead of Trump's visit
"Ohio's governor has tested positive for the Corona virus just ahead of a planned meeting with President Donald Trump, Republican Governor Mike DeWine's office said today he took the test is part of standard protocol before meeting Mr Trump at an airport in Cleveland. He had planned to join the president on a visit to Ah Whirlpool plant in northwest Ohio. His office said that Dwyane has no symptoms but was returning to Columbus before Mr Trump landed the wine plans to quarantine at his home for 14
Judge nixes Trump bid to delay suit from woman alleging rape
"Hi Mike Rossi reporting a judge denies president trump's bid to delay a lawsuit brought by a woman alleging rape a New York judge has ruled against president Donald Trump and his attempt to delay a lawsuit brought by a woman who accused him of rape pointing to a recent U. S. Supreme Court ruling that the president isn't immune from the criminal investigation by the Manhattan district attorney judge verna Saunders said the same principle applies to E. Jean Carroll's defamation lawsuit Carol says trump slurred her in denying her claims that he raped her in the nineteen nineties trump attorney Marc Kasowitz argues the Supreme Court ruling was limited to the criminal context and did not extend to civil matters hi Mike Rossi up
"donald trump" Discussed on Worst Year Ever
"If only President Obama would put America First. Well this president is all about making America safe again it no president ever accept Donald Trump ever acted faster so those are fun fun and good fun. Good in great interesting that Powerfully erotic powerfully erotic quotes from the powerfully erotic Jesse watters Complaining ABOUT OBAMA IMPORTING Bola Socialism to America. So this is a bit frustrating. I would say Compared to their reaction now to an actual disaster. That's way worse than what they were talking about again. Very few cases in America during the OPOLE outbreak that we're taking care of variously response reading a headline the US cases. Now top nine hundred and fifty. Oh good twice what I said in the right up California good number panicking officials. Anyone not finished because there's so many more than we know we just don't know because we don't have testing yeah just a quick This is a quick quote from Mr Obama after the fact when it was taken care of and sort of the message that he put forth was actually finding good in the twenty first century. We cannot build moats around our countries. There are no drawbridges to be pulled up. We shouldn't try some worried about bringing the disease to our shores that we had to But then he commented that we had to make the decisions based on fear but on science. You recall October three weeks in which all too often we heard science being ignored in cessation. Just it's just very nice to hear a president listen to science and and like Obama. Well I'm here Netflix. No insane nope Obama anyway. The person that was most upset about a bullet during his period as Robert alluded to was Donald J trump. I think it's it can get a little tiresome. There's a tweet for everything and that's because there's a tweet for everything every single every single every single thing. It's like this whole experience. There were having was written by somebody to drive us. Mad Every single thing in Donald Trump's case for this potato specific instance. There are a hundred tweets for this metered about this so much because again he was so obsessed with Jonathan exactly. So I'm just constant tweets. I know for sure that our leaders are incompetent. Obama just appointed in a bowl czar with zero experience in the medical area and disease control a total joke. I wonder who he referred to today about that President Obama has a major meeting on the NYC bowl outbreak with people flying in from all over the country but decided to play golf. He literally did that yesterday. He's needs to relax. You need to go to the club and shake some hands and relax with his Gulf There's just one more tweet from Donald Trump. Because I think it's perfectly. I forgot to read it quote. Ebola has been confirmed. Nyc with officials frantically trying to find all of the people and things he had contact with Obama's fault a total incompetent We we don't need to read more of them. There are and I'm not exaggerating hundred tweets about this exaggerating so Just a little compare contrast on how an actual like competent administration with a scientifically literate considerate president deals with the situation and what the media does and the reaction and now he for that depressing comparisons. We gotta take a quick break. Yes things that we do for these products that unlike the trump administration.
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"Susan Susan Hennessy. Welcome to Rubicon. Thanks for having me. So we're at a bit of a disadvantage in that. We're recording this episode on Thursday but the key vote on whether we're going to have anything anything like a fair trial in the Senate for Donald Trump's impeachment won't happen until Friday and we may not even know how that vote is going to shake out until it actually happens so for the purposes of this conversation I wanNA focus for the most part on the proposition. Trump and his lawyers have put forth and how Republicans in particular Picula have reacted to it because it bottom Republicans seem prepared to accept it whether there are witnesses or not at eventually. The story ends without sixty seven votes to remove Donald Trump from office. How would you characterize the proposition that that? They're preparing themselves to affirm mm-hmm so nobody ever wants to be considered naive in this town. And so I say this with with a risk of being proven wrong in pretty rapid order. I'm still just refuse to believe that the Senate would actually be willing to not even call John in Bolton as a witness because that would be an expression that impeachment is not a genuine constitutional remedy. It's not a real check on executive give power it's just a raw measurement of how many members of the president's own party sit in the Senate and I think what we're seeing play out right now. I'm is the terrible terrible choice. The Republican senators have created for themselves because on one hand they want to be perceived as you undertaking. A legitimate should image investigation a legitimate trial. Even though they know full well that they intend to quit the president at the end of this and and of course I think something like seventy five percent of Americans say `I I they believe that additional witnesses should be called. I'm but the senators have a really big problem because John Bolton has come out and he's said I have a story to tell and it's really bad and it shatters a lot of the implausible deniability that you've been clinging to an. I'm going to tell that story eventually. I'm gonNA tell it in a book. I'm going to tell it in an interview. This this story is coming out and so what Republican Senators have to decide is do they want to be confronted with that story under oath and then have to actually cast a vote wrote not a furrowed brow in a Senate hallway. Not a disapproving tweet about being gravely concerned but an up or down. Vote on the question of whether or not this is acceptable. Whether or not this tolerable and I think if we get down to it and the balance of fears between between Senate Republicans of being perceived perceived as a not undertaking legitimate investigation versus the consequence of undertakings illegitimate investigation. I think that's the anguish that we're seeing. I'm playing out right now I continue to think I too hope that there will be four senators who realized that this is just not not that this that this impeachment trial simply would not be perceived as legitimate by the American public. If John Bolton doesn't come to testify but for the purposes of this recording. I think that we have to you know we're in the dark for the next twenty four hours As to how this is actually going to play out and by the time people listen to this. That question will be answered one way or another Either we're going to be in a world where John Bolton is going to testify or we're going to be in one where this is all gonna and we're going to figure out what his stories later. I just think that whichever happens. There's one more vote after after that. which is a a a quitter convict and even today? I think I count enough. Republican senators who have essentially said. Even if what Bolton's book is purported to to claim is true. I'm we're just not going to convict trump and so if we just Liba ahead to the assumption that he's acquitted what do you interpret Republicans to be saying by having acquitted him. Does that make sense. Yeah I interpret Republicans to be saying that it is tolerable. Acceptable for the president of the United States is to use the powers of his office to extort a foreign leader into becoming an opposition researcher for his political campaign. I I would say that these senators senators are voting to say that it is acceptable to have a president and in this really goes sort of the core argument. We loud in this book but a president in who does not view the interests of the office of the presidency as in any way distinct from the interests of the occupant that those are completely completely merged in political interest in financial interests. And and this really goes to the heart of trump's vision of the presidency this sense that the purpose of the presidency she is to serve the president and it serves the public only coincidentally or when convenient or as an afterthought and that isn't a question of you've expanding the edges of executive power the ordinary sort of areas in which we're used to debating limits of presidential power it it goes to the very core and it says that the president can use the these really astonishingly Empowering Authority ordeal that the constitution vests in him. I'm for his own purposes and not on behalf of the country and and if that is true and if the Senate is willing to tolerate hollering that that has long term structural ramifications across lots of different axes and and the Senate may may try to sort of kid themselves by saying. Oh No. We're making a very narrow vote about the nature of this form of an impeachable offense or that form. But but this is a blunt instrument you're either impeaching and removing the president has an or you aren't and so they really are fooling themselves if they don't think that the ultimate statements that they're making is. This is acceptable acceptable and they are accepting. I'm glad you brought up John Bolton for this reason because you're a you could in theory imagine a situation in which for plus Republican senators not enough to convict him but enough to say. There's a real problem here get together and say look like we're not going to there's no reason to To to draw this proceeding indefinitely but we acknowledge something terrible happened here and so we're interested in is in. What can we do as legislators power to say okay? We're not going to remove him from office office but we are going to take some steps to make sure that this doesn't become the norm at least in our Party and censoring him. Yo ramping ramping. Up a regular oversight activities and that's just not in the cart. Nobody's even discussing that as an option Which is why I feel like take the emergence of Bolton and and and what we believe we know he is in his book is so revelatory Is like most trump scandal seem to follow this pattern where he and all of the principals deny whatever their alleged to have done outright. Then say it didn't it didn't happen but if it did happen it wouldn't be so bad and then finally I did it and it was awesome and to me what striking about the role. The boat revelations have played is how how quickly they moved us from step two to step three where where Republicans and trump's lawyers have been kinda stuck saying could pro quos normal but even here Democrats Kratz haven't proved that trump ever explicitly linked Ukraine aid to Sham Biden investigations. Bolton's you know book the details of what's in Bolton's book book come out and he says that's bullshit and actually trump did exactly that almost overnight. We we get to trump and everyone around him kinda claiming dictatorial power to cheat in his own election which leaves no space for any kind of intermediate remedy. Does that make sense. I think it does look. I think what has been happening. Is You know the idea that there were there were senators who And you know in good faith were looking at the the record produced by the House and they saw this evidence and some of it was somewhat troubling. And Gosh Gosh it really does look like the president did one investigations into his political opponent. Joe Biden and his son or at least the announcement of those investigations. And Gosh. It really does look like the President United States frozen military aid to Ukraine and then lied about it in an head why he did it from Congress but shucks. I just don't know how we could possibly tie those. It's two things together. which by the way what people like? Kurt Volker attempted to testify to a while. We knew there was this one bad thing happening knew there. Was this other bad thing happening. But you're telling me see these two bad things were actually about the same thing or it's a whole game has been this completely implausible story. That's how these two things were not connected. And here's John Bolton coming forward and saying they're connected and I can testify to what the president actually said putting both of these things in the exact same sentence and what that does is it pops sort of implausible deniability that we've seen so many actors operating an in bad faith and we should acknowledge that they're pretending right it's not that they actually. They're actually stunned by this new revelation. They're pretending because they know that they eventually are going to vote to quit. The president of the United States and so the problem is is that that now requires a pivot right. You can't just say well. Of course it would be incredibly disturbing if the president tied military aid to abusive investigations nations. Something that Lindsey Graham and many others actually said at the outset of the revelations of this scandal you know but we're not going to call a witness before for the Senate who is who is a person who's imposition actually. Tie those two things together. You can't make that argument plausibly. And so instead you have to move into this really astonishing initiative constitutional argument and and really that is the heart of the argument. The heart of the argument is that the president of the United States is allowed to use the powers of his office for any purpose. He'd like so long as he can articulate at least some rationale for why it was in fact on behalf of the public interest even if there's also a corrupt motive present present and it doesn't matter how how implausible or contradicted by the documentary record. That sort of that rationale of why he was doing on behalf of the public might be so long as you can say something and really what we're talking about here is is a completely unconstrained unconstrained executive an executive that does not need to in fear impeachment and removal and the exercise of his office so long as he knows that the Senate is controlled by members. I have his own party so in researching on making the presidency. Were you struck by any historical examples of the presidency. Changing alarming ways but in ways. That didn't didn't ever stick in hindsight we can kind of say. We dodged a bullet entered. Johnson is probably the best example of this so Johnson actually is impeach although not removed. She's the first president to be impeached. And he's sort of trumpy figure right he's He's a demagogue. He've he allies. He you you know. He insults his political opponents. He's actually one of the articles of impeachment is. It's for the way he speaks and sort of his language. I'm in search for for being a little bit like a like a trump rally actually was one of the articles of impeachment and of course for ignoring the log knowing the constraints of the law ignoring ignoring the The legislature as a CO equal branch. And he's impeached. And it's kind of a blip People talk about Johnson now but but just as a negative example for rape kind of president that you don't WanNa be and so you know.
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"It's complicated because in ordinary trial. You're completely right that the prosecutor would say and you will hear evidence that one thing. The prosecutor can't do in a trial title because it's not lawful is to say in the opening statement in front of the grand jury the witnesses already said thus and such and so therefore the guy is guilty because you can't in ordinary trial refer to evidence that was gathered outside of the trial. The whole principle of due process of law is that the evidence has to be brought to bear right there in front of the jury. So that's not what happens in ordinary trial at all the prosecutors here. The house managers had no choice but to do that because they may not have a chance to call any witnesses but they did have more leeway than an ordinary prosecutor would because they can refer freely to all of the evidence that was gathered in front of the House House which you could not do it in a criminal trial. The Way I think about all this is that there are signals the Senate can and has in the past provided to indicate to the public. I guess that the trial outcome ref would reflect impartial. Justice like one is through. Consensus is if if senators agree on the trial rules. One hundred zero like they did in the in the Clinton case. That's a pretty strong indication that the Senate believes it's equipped to to render judgment fairly and another. would be like the completeness of the record you know if the question is has it received or sought all the information it needs to make decisions about guilt. Answer's yes that's a pretty strong indication that the public whether they're happy with the outcome or not should treated treated as legitimate. Yeah you're right and I know what you're saying which is completely true and correct raises a really fascinating question to me which is is given that the Republicans in the Senate no they ninety nine percent likelihood have the votes to vote not to remove Donald Trump from office purpose and given that they could get the legitimacy you're describing by having farrow and agreed upon procedure and then listening to the witnesses and then voting. Why aren't they doing it? I mean that really is a hard question and I don't mean to ask that in some. You know purely rhetorical by saying. Why aren't they doing that? I'm trying to force them into doing it. I'm actually asking a genuine question. What is it that they're so concerned about? I mean if John Bolton testifies and says his worst do we. I really think that that's GONNA move enough senators to change the outcome to get us to a two thirds majority necessary to remove Donald Trump. I would be stunned if that were the case. Yes so I mean. Imagine the worst thing that John Bolton can say yes I went into Donald trump and I told him. This violates national security and it's an impeachable offense and he said to me I don't care you know I wanna get reelected Ima- imagine that that was the testimony. Do we really believe that would get us. Two thirds majority of centers. I kind of don't and so I don't don't really understand at a deep level. Why the Senate majority is taking the risk of the whole trial being seen as illegitimate? Unless you think that the the answer is that they are so committed to the idea that the whole process is illegitimate. They're so committed to Donald Trump's narrative. The whole impeachment is as he keeps on saying a hoax. Folks you know fake that they think there's nothing wrong with doing it their way as a hoax and as a fake and then they'll just say yeah well they did a hoax. We did a hoax. I do think that Jr on a cer- like working on a on a completely different plane that there is something important about trying to get Congress to win in this basic question of whether these people have to testify whether these documents have to be produced in an impeachment that's in part about obstruction of Congress that that whether it has any bearing on how the senators ultimately vote or if senators enters ultimately vote to acquit on charges. Anyway I if this process ends with the obstruction both having been You know Attempted and then be having been successful and see he gets acquitted. Anyway that's just a roadmap for future presidents to engage in wholesale cover-ups like this and I mean maybe that's Maybe that's a kind of argument that that the house managers should be making about. Why testimony is important even though there's already enough to convict But that's one thing that's actually worried me about how what's going to happen if they get to the end of all this they Vote not to hear any more witnesses see anymore documents and then quit and then I have you know in a in a trial that was about obstructing congress in part. That's a great point and I'm also worried about that. You know one thing that I have been saying. All along about the obstruction of Congress articles of impeachment is the reason you know that it was appropriate to impeach the president as if Congress starts impeachment inquiry in the present. stonewalls says. I'M NOT GONNA cooperate in the end. The only remedy left that saves us from a presidency. That's completely above. The law is impeachment. Like that's the only thing you can do if you're the house right you say you're gonNA impeach and and the President says I won't cooperate you know you can't go to the courts and compel it not realistically and frankly it's entirely possible that the courts would've said not our problem impeachment is your soul power. Not Ours is an all you can do is to impeach under those circumstances and if you know the president is then nevertheless. LS Not removed from office. It does send that message as you say that the president can just get away with it. And that's very worrisome. For the basic structure basic structure of our government. Some future presence might not want to be impeached and I will say that. The second article of impeachment was unnecessary from the president's perspective. Active he could have fought the individual witnesses one at a time without announcing in that grand way that he did that he wouldn't cooperate in any way and if he had done that he would have escaped that second article of impeachment. So you know that was I would call that an unforced error. I actually think he was an unforced error that should be attributed it at least in parts of the White House counsel who wrote that letter and signed that letter and who is now defending the president so apparently the president doesn't think it was an error because he's relying on the same guy right now to defend him. That's a separate question. Like why is that. Okay but bottom line there is a serious serious danger that if president think they can get away with two stonewalling that the congress congressional power to impeach will just eroded to nothing. Let's let's wind down on on that point because I think think it's right to say this will be the first time the Senate has used it so power to try impeachment to conceal rather than consider evidence period. Right I think so. Oh Yeah I mean. I can't think of any prior example. Where they're where they're not trying to get witnesses not trying to get more information so just taking it as a given that impeachment supporters and Democrats and you know hopefully a growing list of people as time goes on Talk about it that way and try to leave an asterisk next to this trial l.. What will the consequences for the impeachment? Power be going forward or can we even say anything about that before the next election. We'll as you say. The election is hugely significant and we will interpret events in light of that election after the fact even if there's no good hard scientific reason to think they ought to be so. If trump is not removed from office as seems probable and is then reelected right we end the judgement of history will be boy. Impeachment has completely lost the Umph that historically had you know the idea that you know bill. Clinton's legacy was seriously tainted anted by impeachment. The idea that Richard Nixon resigned rather than being a running the risk of being impeached not just removed but but impeach that will look like a a very faint relic of a of a lost time if on the other hand trump is not convicted and then loses in the election even if he would have lost the election anyway. You know people will say well you see. Impeachment is vindicated. Maybe you weren't able to remove the president from office but the taint of impeachment was so significant that it had an impact on the presidential election. And we'LL WANNA tell ourselves that story because we want to legitimate our existing institutions creaky old constitution. You know two hundred and twenty five plus plus years old and there's a way in which you know no other country in the world still runs its affairs in this way since we enacted our Constitution. France has been through five reboots right Francis on what they call their fifth republic. That's their five point. Oh their version. Five point oh of their constitution at a time that we're still stuck doc with basically the same thing although with you know at the reconstruction amendments added in but when it comes to impeach him. We've got the exact same creaky thing we've already had always had and it's possible that it just doesn't work anymore and that's something that's painful but we need to confront that reality. I want to offer you a close on on a happier. Thought of you have on for for listeners. Or if if there's any sort of optimistic side to how you you see these events playing out well there is. There is because right right now whether you and I are speaking. We're we're in the middle of events and I think you know it's appropriate for us to be honest. I think you've been and I'm trying to be also about the genuine threat to structure of our institutions that exists but we are not speaking right now at a point where those institutions are destroyed. You know the president of United States took actions agency that to my mind at least are clearly at the core of what the framers thought should be impeachable and he was impeached. So in that sense offense. The institution is working correctly as we speak. The institution is working correctly in that impeachment occurred. The trial may insert raised illegitimate the non-removal of the president. If that's what happens in certain ways be a legitimate. They're all these problems they're real. We've been talking about them but it remains possible still that our democratic institutions will be robust enough to save us. You Know Donald Trump could lose the next election and then we will be able to tell ourselves with some credibility we got through it. You know our long national nightmare there will then in some way over. We shouldn't be naive about it. Even if that happens we should go back and look at what we can do better but that is still a possible outcome..
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"The GAO report that you mentioned earlier. You know this finding finding that yeah the military hold violated the law All of that in a political sense is giving an enormous amount of momentum and I think you know whether it'll break the damn on Senate Republicans holding trump accountable. I mean I still people are pretty pessimistic. But the pressure is just like Ruben. Ratcheted up and ratcheted up. I think way more than had none of this come out in the interim from the time that the articles were voted on and then if they had been transmitted right away I think in the space that was created by Polisi holding them back and the amount of shoes that have dropped in the meantime have you know. Put the pressure on you know just made it feel more urgent and I think for the trump administration must make them feel incredibly really nervous. Because I don't think they know when the next shoe will drop. I think they know what shoes could drop because they know exactly what happened. But they don't know when they'll drop in like for example today Robert Hyde who's this Republican who's running running for Congress in Connecticut who was the one who was texting with I love Parnasse about possibly serving Marie Ivanovich in Ukraine. And you know whether or not they were like contemplating depleting a hit on her as it sounds like but that they've both denied sense His house was raided today by the FBI. So like who knows knows what's coming next is is how I see it i. I'm really glad you put it that way. Because you're scoop underscored to me exactly why. The trump administration obstructed congress in the first place in by Republicans particularly the Senate have done have signaled that the desire many of them have to keep as much new information from coming to light as possible but also I think illustrated a lesser disgust. Piece piece of the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi's decision to hang onto the articles for a few weeks Like we we tended to discuss that tactic through the lens of weather. It would force Mitch McConnell till admit defeat in some way or or or whether Senate Republicans individually would come out and say you know I'm I'm GonNa Not Vote for any motion. That doesn't allow us to call witnesses. And so you know now that the trial is getting underway and you know sure ince's of that sort have been made You see a lot of You Know Post Game Analysis of this decision. The policies gambit failed in some sense. But I think that's totally wrong right In part because this this flood of information that's coming out is is so unsettling that it seems like like it will make it very difficult for fifty one republicans to vote to shutdown new factfinding But also so because Pelosi kind of created as window right like that irrespective of what Republicans were going to do with their votes or how they were going to allow the trial to be structured assured the there was just this opening she created for people with information to to come forward right like. There's a strong indication that the Republicans in the Senate are leaning towards not allowing witnesses not allow documents To to come to light so in this limited period that Pelosi created stuff has started to come out Do you see. Do you see it that way or did you see it when you were reporting out your story that this was like an effect of of her having created some sense of uncertainty about when the trial would be allowed to start. I definitely didn't see it when I was reporting my story. I was sort of head down and you know oblivious because it's the holidays I'd his own I don't I'm not can't get in her head so I don't know how much I mean. She certainly didn't know in to some extent what was coming down the pike. I mean in terms of my own reporting I can see. That's for sure the partners I mean left parts had certainly indicated before that I believe if I'm remembering correctly like I'm GonNa Talk to Congress and I'm GONNA turn stuff. He might have already turned some of his documents over. So I think that and everybody's aware that this documentary evidence is out there So it I mean. In retrospect it seems like it was you know a wise move move on her part Trying to think there was something else you said but I'm now Oh I was thinking about how you said about Mitch McConnell and the Republicans like at this point they basically have to you know. New evidence has come forward and it now when they if they don't call witnesses and if they don't subpoenaed documents you know it'll look like they're not acting upon you know new evidence that's come forward that you really need you know. Oh you should be required to investigate and it reminded me you know on the one hand you think. Well they now have to do that like how could they their backs up against the wall but it reminded me as you're you're talking of the cavenaugh hearings and you know new. Witnesses came forward. And you know there was all this pressure to open up the FBI investigation. And they did did the sham process and call today so it's certainly not beneath them to do so do the question. What's the political cost? I I guess of doing it right right. The I mean the the Parnasse case. I'm I'm glad you mentioned it. I think it's like the most irrefutable refutable testament to the withholding the article strategy. Like he didn't his lawyer produce these incredible documents to the impeachment. Investigators and I think they like literally within hours of the House. Vote to refer the articles of impeachment to the Senate so like barely in time to be included in the factual record. And I wasn't aware that that your article had also gotten looped into the same factual records. So it you know the there. There is a quantifiable amount of information. That just was not known and to the impeachment investigators after they voted to impeach trump that became known to them before the trial began. And I think that makes it like fairly irrefutable refutable that the strategy strengthened the case itself completely apart from the question of how Republicans will vote destructor the trial or whether they'll allow allow any of this new information to affect their strong inclination to acquit trump. Did Gao finding. Today I mean I would put it in the same category gory it. It makes it really uncomfortable for the Republicans know violating the impoundment contract was not part of the you know was not an article of impeachment mint. But you now have this independent body saying the trump administration violated the law in connection to this story and you see already today today. Republicans sort of saying well the GAO's not that independent. which is you know? If that's your argument gets a losing argument And or you see them avoiding reporters they. Don't I want to comment on it. It's too it's too awkward And so the I will say from the time that the that the House voted on the articles to to where we are a day right now it is different information environment and it's a different a different political environment. I think for Senate Republicans that were already feeling a little bit uncomfortable up with just like cleaning their hands and making this go away as fast as they could. Yeah I think it was earlier today. Chuck Schumer tweeted something to the effect or said something to the effect of like you know. God Forbid Republicans. You know try to see all this information Render judgment against trump one way or another based on the incomplete record and then after they've already cast their votes to cover up whatever equipped trump the the whole truth comes out and not only have they voted for the cover it but the cover up fails retroactively and I'm watching. At least the Republican publican leadership grapple with this essential question. Like they must be aware now like it's like I think that they probably thought once the House House had voted to impeach trump that they would have a lot more control over the information environment Then they did when the house was running the show and the last two or three weeks have proven that they really don't right like there are still they're still foy they're still leakers. They're still witnesses. There's court cases that are ongoing and And these bombshells will continue to drop like in in the middle of the trial after the trial and so they are actually weighing this basic question. It's not cover up or no cover up it's it's Should we let all this information. Come out at once in the trial and then rip off the band aid and be done with it or let let it all Kinda dribble out slowly after we've already communicated with our votes our intention to to not let the public see this stuff. Yeah I'm two things I think they have to continue to obstruct because on you know I the information that's coming out is so damning and I can only imagine the information information that's being most closely protected like the Blair Duffy emails or whatever. The State Department e mails show are even worse. Like that's why we haven't haven't seen them And that's why you know the witnesses that haven't been allowed to testify Mulvaney. Blair Duffy John Bolton you know they have the worst stories to tell and so I can't imagine they take all right. Actually you know just that we can control. It will let everything come forward because it's You know it's like president. The president shooting someone Fifth Avenue. Like it's all GonNa be right there for us to see I think the other thing. That's a little tricky maybe for Democrats. It's not tricky but on the one hand there is plenty of evidence to explain what happened. between trump and Ukraine. And and you know him soliciting foreign interference in the election on that phone. Call the ties between asking for that investigation to Joe Biden and holding the military aid. The evidence is there that said. Is there more evidence out there absolutely so I think there's like this. Tricky thing that Republicans are also playing on where it's like. Well if you don't have the complete clete picture how on Earth Are you impeaching him. If there's all this stuff that still remains out there then you didn't do due diligence and so both things can be true. You can both have enough. Evidence is to move forward and there can also be plenty of evidence that still being obstructed and I think some of the allegations that Parnasse has raised just raise completely new questions like up until now the physical safety and the circumstances of Maria von riches being removed from Ukraine weren't part of the story really and as the FBI raid today shows the that's a new avenue investing of Investigation that cannot be you know just ignored or forgotten like we. I think the American public has a right to know Whether she was being threatened and back whom and where did it stop. How high up did it go? So a couple thoughts on that one is the this talking with the Republicans really have taken to about how this information coming to light just underscores that the house didn't do a very thorough job in its impeachment. Went totally allies. The point that trump has been impeached for obstructing the inquiry. Right like there's a reason. The House's factual record is incomplete complete and it's almost entirely because donald trump refused to cooperate with the inquiry. And so now he's they're going to have to vote on that article of impeachment and you the logic of what they're saying is that basically they're going to they're going to neuter their own institution and its power to compel executive branch disclosure of information. And I'm not sure for the trial will allow the impeachment managers to confront Senate Republicans with that contradiction that internal contradiction. And I'm curious to see like how how individual Republicans Republicans as a whole grapple with it The second thing is that I you know the the environment is uncertain enough that the White House is preparing for defections or at least is claiming to be preparing for defections on the question of witnesses and documents and trump himself after kind of pretending for awhile to want a fair trial. Trial now says that he might claim executive privilege if witnesses appear normally fights over that are resolved by AH accommodation between Congress and the executive branch or by courts..
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"I have been directed by the House of Representatives to inform the Senate. The House has passed h read seven nine eight a resolution appointing and authorizing managers but the impeachment trial of Don. John John from he has been held accountable. He has been impeached. He's been impeached forever. They can never erase that. There's conventional wisdom in Washington. That goes like this. Nancy Pelosi delayed the start of Donald Trump's impeachment trial for several weeks to four Senate Republicans. Not to rig it. And since it's Mitch. McConnell didn't agree to hear from witnesses or subpoenaed documents that means she lost but the conventional wisdom is wrong. She one to see why imagine policy referred the articles of impeachment right after the House passed them. McConnell could have buried the trial in the Christmas holiday or convenient right after the New Year Senate. Republicans have dismissed the charges or acquitted trump based on the bad faith argument that the house didn't hear from firsthand witnesses. All of whom of course trump ordered not to testify testify instead Pelosi created uncertainty. There'd be no trial until we know whether Republicans plan to engage in a cover-up or not what and that left every Republican senator hounded by a simple question would they allow witnesses or would they block them. McConnell didn't quote quote Unquote Cave but it sure seems like his members did Maine Senator. Susan Collins told reporters on Friday that she's working with a small group of fellow all over Republicans on ensuring witnesses in the trial. I can't imagine that only two witnesses that our democratic colleagues would WANNA call would would be called. Sally should the Senate consider new evidence as part of the impeachment..
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
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"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"The story story of the impeachment as as we sit in it will conceptually it makes the this question for the Senate trial of weather? And when Howard whether to call witnesses it removes it from this. Realm of abstraction to there's John Bolton right and he's ready to go and this isn't this longer hypothetical but that at least so so long as McConnell leader has fifty one votes behind him to think he can defer the question of calling witnesses is then even with a live John Bolton Sam I'm here I'm ready. SPINNEY IT undercuts right. The ability of Pelosi try to use that as leverage keeping. Yeah Mine. She's still holding onto the article. And I mean maybe this is a question posed a constitutional lawyer or whatever but having said you know in his statement. I've weighed The competing you know commands on me. And and I if if I have a subpoena from the Senate Command from the White House to defy. I'm going to honor the subpoena having said that if if House Democrats now want to go to court uh-huh and say to a judge. Tell him to testify in the House. I mean they're gonNA have a very strong argument. It it would it. Would it would Extend You you know. Trump's agony about not getting this acquittal. Vote quickly and seems to me like you would maximize the chances that you actually get John. Bolton's testimony because otherwise you're kind of leaving up to fifty one republicans to decide whether anyone else will testify right. Yeah absolutely but I don't get the sense sense that there's a house democratic appetite for re-opening What Nancy Pelosi Democrats soda with impeachment. Last last month I don't like again we're in the well of legally constitutionally politically may be possible but I don't see the appetite on the Democrat side ride for reopening their investigation which in essence is what that would do although certainly in legal terms. I thought the idea that an individual's the the one to decide which is the hell subpoenas. Seems like Topsy Turvy. Bolton is you know say what you will about him and he's a controversial guy but he he's. He's a smart lawyer. Earlier he presumably would have some argument to make that that things are different in the house and the Senate. I don't know I just. I agree with you that the appetite is there air in the house to do more enquiring more of the impeachment inquiry. I just don't totally understand why. Yeah I I think it's a bit of a well. Let's let's put it this way again. Expect Pelosi to prolong it by keeping the articles. But I do think she. She still has a commitment to her her majority makers those Democrats in swing districts with whom without whom she cannot keep majority in twenty twenty twenty. I think there's implicitly if not explicitly a commitment to them to say look. We're GONNA stay focused on the issues that are gonna get you reelected and reopening the impeachment investigation investigation or really the investigation. Generally just it doesn't seem to be on the top of their list of priorities. Now perhaps that changes but I I don't get the sense that that's where they're headed. Okay so eventually the trial will begin. We think and it's shaping up to pit Republicans who want to conceal and seal information has already come out against Democrats who kind of want it all to come out and you know Mitch. McConnell hasn't even really been shy about saying that he's not a partial jury. He he wants to get this in and out of the Senate's quickly possible. He claims he's gathered fifty one votes to begin the trial but put off questions about witnesses and documents for future votes. So what does the resolution of the standoff look like from a procedural point of view Is going to be one vote in the future on whether to shut. Shut down the fact finding purpose of the trial or will be a series of votes how our viewers at home supposed to interpret what they're watching on. TV relative to this question of new information. So here's what we know and what we we don't know so. There is a set of Senate impeachment rules on the books and that McConnell has committed to the following because he can set aside whether or not he could get rid of them. But he's GonNa follow this set of inherited Rules now those are pretty bare bones. Own Own they tell us things about motions and who has rights. Procedure writes in appeals. And the the things the oaths people take but it doesn't have doesn't flush out of trial so meaning being. It doesn't tell us how long the managers have how long the presence lawyers have to defend what are the order in which we take particularly different types of motions. So this is what McConnell has been saying. I have fifty one votes for a set of procedures to elaborate the at least the opening sequence of events in the trial and of course. That's what the Democrats have tried to narrow in on which say let's make this a fair trial Let's hear from witnesses. who were blocked in the house and so forth? So what does McConnell have in mind here for this open resolution well I it would be a resolution that would have to be approved by a majority as he said. I I have fifty one. He has said what's fair is fair. Let's use that opening resolution from the Clinton impeachment trial twenty years ago and let's use it. Roughly he said for this impeachment trial so devils in the details here we can pull up an open. The first resolution that was the supplemental amount of rules for Clinton in one thousand nine and we can know what they said but the question is are they going to follow that to a T.. So a certain number of days and hours for each side to present and then this is what they voted on and nineteen ninety nine. There will be a motion to dismiss and then also on that original agreement emotion. Shall we call witnesses in the abstract. Basically so that's that in essence seems to be what McConnell connel's saying I have fifty one votes for but we don't know for sure but but it matters right. Is there a motion to dismiss locked in right and and will there be any republicans who are willing to vote with the Democrats not to dismiss the trial right which will be within a week or two probably depending on how this plays out. I don't hear a lot of talk about that. But in that's why presumably impart why McConnell has told Speaker Pelosi I'm not showing my resolution apparently the connell if we believe the stories yesterday stole the White House so I'm not showing you my resolution so we need to see what's in there and we need to see it in part to know. How does that trial play out? Procedurally now having said that the barebones own Senate Rules do allow any senator to really offer a pretty wide range of motions in writing. Send it up to the chief not to Mitch McConnell but to send to the chief who then reads the motion in can rule on it or allow the Senate to rule so damn could call for a witness long before we get right in the middle all of the presentation. So and then. That's the uncertainty. Here will their votes on calling witnesses even before the call has said he wants to have those so so I want to get to to the chief justice's role in this In a minute Before that though you know we set aside questions of whether this investigation is inquiry is analogous enough to the Clinton impeachment to merit using the same rules But if McConnell is committing to something along the lines of the Clinton impeachment process yes there'd be a a vote on a motion to dismiss but if if that motion fails there were witnesses called at at that stage of the Clinton impeachment is. He not locking himself into a situation where he's going to have to say. Oh well now we have to. We have to veer off the Clinton Process for whatever reason he needs to come up with to avoid. Oh you for sure. He's not committed to them. Self anyways not said he all his all his said for his own purposes. Here is well last question. We're going to defer to later. And the Clinton trial they did another resolution was a partisan version that couldn't get Democrats onboard for it but that laid out a very limited depositions of of three witnesses so those questions yet to be determined But it's entirely possible. We'll see those votes occurring during even before McConnell in essence of what I what I think I'm hearing from you is that there is no way for McConnell acting on trump's behalf or whoever's behalf to guarantee not that the trial surfaces new facts without making fifty one of his members vote to say you know John Bolton thanks but no thanks will will they would need to fifty one is everything right. He can't he can't he. Can't deter a vote on an early vote on a motion call a witness unless he's fifty one to shut it down so on the one hand right we're not really used to simple majority Senate's right right. We all say cough was just fifty one yards could do whatever they wanted but holding together those fifty one. He he may be able to do it. But I think there'll be a little dicey when it gets to particular questions About particular witnesses so I see this batted around. Democrats need four votes. If they I wanNA have a fair trial. McConnell can lose two and he gets fifty one what happens if three Republicans but with Democrats on these on these procedural questions witnesses and documents and we get a fifty fifty tie so I just assimilate this democrats stay together and they will seems reasonable especially on the witness questions. Joe Manchin is the was the sort of wild card and he was like. How can I have a trial without exactly exactly so fifty fifty so there are two issues here one of which is the chief but will come come to the chief second the first issue? What exactly is the motion right? Because because it's a motion to dismiss and it's fifty fifty that stalemate and stalemate vote loses so three defections on some types of votes this is a losing position for the Republicans a fifty fifty on a on a motion to dismiss. The motion fails sales. If it's left in John Roberts cannot. Aw this is the first edition so the first conditions it matters if the motion is calling witnesses depends on. Who wants who? Who which side is looking looking for fifty one so the first issue? What exactly is is the motion at play here? The second issue then is if it's a tie. Hi What does chief justice do as presiding officer in this is somewhere between. What's what's politically possible? What's in the chief justice's Head and then what's technically legally president here so we have episodes from the Johnson impeachment trial the nineteenth century where they were to opportunities where the chief justice is decided to vote to break a tie and after each one there was a senate motion to prevent the presiding officer or the chief from breaking ties in both of those failed. However the chief got the message we think in the next two opportunities back in the eighteen sixties? He didn't break ties he would he would strain with help. So there's no well there's no yes or no here they're right. He could decide whether or not he's going to break the tie dye. Can we divine anything precedential about those. Those two votes and Salmon Chase was the name of the right of the chief justice way back in the eighteen hundreds when he voted to break the tie was in furtherance of what we kind of conceive of as like moving the Senate trial closer towards what we imagine a courtroom trial be like was more partisan than that what it was his So that's a good question. Which would require me to bury renos back in the peach record to figure out what it what exactly they were? I don't believe they were as quite consequential as some of the potential titles that we're talking about here but I need to go back and figure out what precisely those were but the the question here is for Robert urge sent a lot of people trying to discern what will be his his incentive or his motives are his goals as presiding officer. And I think the answer is as we probably don't know yeah I I'll be responsible and just game out the okay. I mean He. I imagined he'll feel cross pressured. Because if if he's thinking about how his actions will reflect on the Supreme Court He's GonNa WanNa go with public opinion. which is I think? Clearly on the Democrat side in these is fair trial questions but he's also conservative and a Republican and it's no secret how his old party wants this all work out in the end So that's why I asked about past Intrusions by the Supreme Court justice and impeachments because if the idea is is that when the Supreme Court chief justice intervenes in an impeachment trial He does it to advance the cause of public information Then Robert's can just point to that and save precedent Kinda binds me here..
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"Need I mean what sort of What sort of technique are you envisioning? Are you talking about official stuff. I was just hoping you had an answer. Because because for me the the advantage the edge of this idea of holding onto the articles has nothing to do with holding onto him. If you hold onto them long enough Mitch. McConnell would be thrilled he doesn't have to. I don't have to take tough votes. You need to get the articles over eventually. I I worry about the The information environment in general but particularly at a time when people are tuned out because of the holiday and so I could see uh or real advantage in creating the expectation that you're going to have a trial in early January and then you know house. Democratic leaders say Republicans are insisting that they're going to help trump completed cover up and we're not going to send these articles Over until you know until the whole world watching sees that's what they're trying to do probably Mitch McConnell doesn't care and he gets his fifty one votes for the cover up anyway but then at least you've commandeered the You know the the bully pulpit and you've made clear that that's what's happening so that every Republican votes for the cover-up has to pay the price for it. That's the best I can think of but advertising could be a part of the mix Getting the Democratic Radic presidential candidates involved could be part of a mix mass politics can be part of a mix. I mean there were. There were nationwide impeachment rallies on Tuesday night There should be more in bigger ones Particularly around these key votes where Republicans are going to try to short circuit the trial. I mean that's where that's where I would try to take things if I were in charge of a broad left response to impeach man a- and the thing is on the advertising front in particular it's just baffling that. There's not a much more concerted and targeted advertising effort on this stuff. They should be hammering the shit out of these four or five senators right now. I mean it should have been going on for for weeks. Yeah right yeah I mean look at. This is not an easy situation for Susan Collins and Cory Gardner and and and Thom Tillis and Martha mcsally and then of of course you've got the ones that are actually sort of trying to adopt a principled independence from trump like Romney and I don't know if you would go at them I think that backfires Right and it gives them one of the complications to this. That I've I've heard Democrats talk about is and this is sort of an interesting thing to try and debate and figure out. I don't I don't really have a position on it. Yeah but sometimes if the attacks are to direct it gives them away and it. It almost gives like some of the senators. That are kind of on the knife's research easier way out. It's like when when John McCain voted against repealing the affordable care act it. There was this moment in the in the well. Well of the Senate where where a bunch of Democrats wanted to to applaud or just take a victory lap or whatever before before it was is all said and done and Chuck Schumer Shush them. Because right because you know. I don't agree with every strategic decision. Chuck Schumer's ever made but I think he's so wisely. Then that if you gloat when the when the deciding vote hangs in the balance and and you know John McCain and what the fuck does he care like. Don't do that you know in certain in certain cases You know a direct aggressive attack is not necessarily always the best. But I'm I'm thinking less about how you micro target each individual center and more how you tell America that a vote to acquit without any witnesses equals cover up and I. I can see the ways that I listed but if if there or any other if there are any other ideas I want the people listening to hear them I will I frankly feel a little bit A little bit hopeless about this aspect of it. I think that there's not any kind of meaningful way of pressuring the Senate At this point maybe maybe just making those marginals a little uncomfortable rebel but to me like I just hate to return to this but I think the big picture is what happens after this process. I mean I know that's not exactly satisfying but look. Here's the bottom line right. We've always known that this is going to come down to an election right and right and what's going to matter as weather progressive. Democrats mobilize properly no one really interesting thing. I was talking to the Democratic Sharon Wisconsin and they are cheaper focused right now on knocking on doors in Milwaukee right to them. That's the ballgame knocking on doors in Milwaukee and making connections in rural Wisconsin to keep the margins down for trump. And Right now. Oh that's all they're really thinking about. And so you know. I don't know I hate to say this but all we can do is just make our case. I mean this. A lot of this goes back to the problem that you raised earlier. which is that our gatekeepers are screwed up right? The media gatekeepers of the ones. It's not as one Chuck Schumer. Shush Chesa Shusha's down the partisans on his side in order to create space for the McCain's of the world to do the right thing right the things that actually actually gets them to do the right thing are the gatekeepers and if it again this of course goes back to your original challenge. How do you get the gate for two right? Yeah it's it's a bit of a message right I by the way there's one thing we haven't talked about which I think is really important. It's all these spin off investigations. The Gatien's that are going on right now in the southern district and so forth. Yeah I think that's part of it too is like you. Ideally leave the impeachment inquiry open. You promised to keep it aggressive. You do advertising you micro target the individual senators but you create a the climate of fear among Among Vulnerable Senate Republicans that they don't know what they're voting to cover up and And Yeah I think that's a big part of yeah That's sort of like what I would like to see. The broader Democratic Party Democratic Democratic affiliated brain trust thinking about because otherwise you have this situation where You know the process draws to a close and then maybe there's a cacophony of developments down the line and it's not all part of one story where Republicans covered up trump's crimes only to have the cover-up collapsed on them and now now their votes to quit him. are exposed as a cover up of these things that we've right and the thing about that is that that is actually a message that individual members and senators can carry very effectively. It's not something that maybe you would use pay. Dad's Ed's It's not quite clear how you would say you know Susan Collins had better watch out about what's going to emerge later right but that is really a point that I think senators and House members can make very forcefully and interviews. Not something they should say as often as possible right. I mean to to to draw the affordable care. Act back in the discussion discussion Rivera. Remember when in the last days when they were about to take the final vote on it. Mitch McConnell who was minority leader at the time. What like you gave a press conference where he made sure to strike a very ominous tone? Democrats think that they can put this behind them with by taking this final vote and yeah I just want to be very clear that this is all in front of them. They're gonNA take this threat in. Every every Republican running in the United States is going to remind nine voters. What happened When Democrats pass this bill and and and and a similar sort of like forward-looking messaging it didn't stop the affordable care? Act from from passing right and it might not stop trump from being removed from from office. Certainly won't but it but it would sort of channel the way the news media and voters who are very engaged. Think about everything that happens right and that actually. There's a way to do that. That I think supports your earlier. Point about keeping Democrats on much more institute a On a much more of an institutional war footing in the house right What they should be saying to put those two things together is you may vote? You may run a sham trial now which you hear from no witnesses but let me be clear we are going to get those witnesses. We're going to hear from those witnesses Mrs. We're GONNA fight in court until we hear from them. We're GONNA fight in court until we get his tax returns an and his finances and then what we're going to say is here's what you cover it up right. So I think the aggressive institutional war-footing it forms the underpinning of that kind of message that is the hopeful. Note that I think we we should end on it and I hope that Influential people in the Democratic Party are listening and they follow They Do as Greg just he said Greg Sargent thanks for joining us. Thanks Brian that's it. For this week I won't be back until the New Year but in the meantime I'd encourage everyone listening to keep in mind. How straightforward weird things? Look when you peel away. All the layers of obfuscation trump has been impeached for extorting vulnerable foreign government to interfere in the twenty twenty election on his behalf. The evidence that he's guilty is overwhelming and until he became president. Nobody would have disputed. The what he did is an impeachable offense. There are people out there closer to the president who have even more evidence but trump has ordered them not to testify and they have complied with his order. If their testimony were exculpatory skull Tori Republicans would be desperate to put them on the witness stand. Instead they're desperate to keep that information from ever coming to light that makes them accomplices. That's it that's the story. Tell your friends tell your family and if you representatives or new sources tell you otherwise. Tell them they're using their power to spread lies and that you won't forget. This show is produced by crooked media. It's written and hosted by me Brian. Boiler Steven Hoffman is our producer and editor. If you enjoyed this episode please subscribe rate and review US wherever you get your podcasts..
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"Greg Sargent thanks for coming back on the show. Thanks for having me on Brian. So by the time people listened to this episode. Donald Trump will be impeached beached He will probably be very upset about it But because of the holidays will be in this kind of little phase where the process is still underway. But nothing's is happening If you're vulnerable Senate Republican are you happy about the pause or would you rather get it over with sooner rather than later. Well I think a lot depends on how the break goes right. I mean if they start catching hell in their in their states about from constituents who are who are angry about the potential for a sham. I am process Sham trial. Then I think that they hate to have to wait. I mean it's GonNa be on democratic groups and pro rule of law groups to kick up a lot of fuss during that period and get some pressure on them along those lines. Those of us who supported impeachment from the outset have made the argument that there's this value in doing it even if Republicans are going to make sure that trump's days in office Because the process the forcing Republicans in the House and Senate to take votes it all those votes essentially constitute them his corruption their own. How do you think that proposition looks today? Well I think it looks really good and you can see that very clearly in precisely what Mitch McConnell is doing to try and turn this trial Ryland to a very quick little. Donald Trump was out there and I don't really think we should place much stock in this. But he was out there saying oh I want to turn this into a AH a festival of of baying for Hunter. Biden's head on a platter and Mitch McConnell Essentially shut that down pretty quick and said no and I think as you wrote somewhere Mitch McConnell was saving trump from himself. And doing this as well as saving his own marginal members from long drawn out trial. Point being though that Mitch Inch Mitch. McConnell understands as well as anyone else does that the more facts that are brought into evidence the worse it is for the marginal Republican senators and tough places like Susan Susan Collins and main Martha mcsally and errors in Arizona and so forth. I had direct experience of that earlier this week. I was able to get The video of Susan Collins in Nineteen Ninety nine during the Bill Clinton impeachment trial calling for more witnesses and evidence. I am willing to travel. The road owed wherever it leads whether it's to the conviction or the acquittal of the president but in order to do that I need more evidence. I need witnesses and further evidence to guide me to the right destination to get to the truth and I was surprised that they got back to me. Pretty quick with a quote from Senator herself saying I haven't made the decision on the witness issue in this particular case now. This is only a process question. You'd think thank right but it's a tough process question. Do you want to vote for the cover up or do you want to vote for transparency and truth and The fact that Susan Collins this is struggling with this I think shows that even just going through the motions is tough for them. Yeah I mean it's there's you know multiple all steps here right there's Probably going to be some sort of resolution to establish the ground rules of the trial and then at some point votes on witnesses and then the vote vote on whether to acquit or convict. And it's obviously Mitch McConnell's goal to make sure that the Republicans vote to convict and ideally the Republicans ever have to vote for any witnesses at all so that just that means he's going to try to around fifty one votes to basically basically dismissed the charges Before you even get to place where house. Impeach managers can request or demand Mick Mulvaney or John Bolton testify before the Senate every phase of that process the the cost to Republicans I think becomes higher her but that just means that at the at the early phase you know. Are we going to. Are we going to have a fair trial at all Mitch. McConnell can lose two or three senators give them a free free pass to say I want to hear from witnesses but if you get fifty one votes to dismiss they can say look. I tried tried to vote for A process where Where we heard from witnesses? My colleagues disagreed. So now I have to vote With what we have before us from from the articles articles of impeachment in the presentation of them by by the managers. And I don't think there's enough there to convict so I quit. And thus every Republican Senator Votes votes to acquit. And I. I don't think that that's like a highly unlikely outcome And I guess it just it gets to. It gets to my thinking about like like what more Democrats could do. I obviously votes to cover up Trump's crimes you know say no to any witness testimony are going to be bad for whichever vulnerable. Republicans have to take those votes but you know should Democrats have. I've been beating the drum starting in September that that Republicans need to be committing to a fair trial now should Democrats be withholding unrelated legislation education. Like the Defense Authorization Act or the The NAFTA UPDATE and just saying we're not going to play ball with you on on other things if what you're going to do is complete the cover up. Trump is asking you. Well I just want to return to something you said earlier about the scenario a scenario ruin which Mitch McConnell. Let's to two or so of the marginal senators Make fake noises about wanting a real trial and then still oh passing a quick Acquittal with fifty one or passing the initial steps to the acquittal by essentially getting past the process stuff with fifty one votes I think the calculation there becomes complicated for them right because even if they do that even if Susan Collins and Cory Gardner and Martha mcsally or whichever three you pick are allowed to to sort of make their fake noises. If the whole thing is a sham. It's still bad for Senate Republican. That's true right now. The the because I mean in this era of nationalized voting right everything turns on the national narrative and one really interesting thing will to track will be whether they're those marginal senators privately go to McConnell and say we really need a real We need a real proceeding at least something more or than just a quick fifty one vote now right and if that happens of course then they run more risks in addition right. That's that's really the spot they're in so I mean I guess the in terms of messaging it seems like the thing that Democrats can do that could be most effective. Active is just to continue to spotlight the facts right. I mean look how quickly the debate shifted when Schumer just sent that one letter now. I think there's an argument that that shows. They should have been doing it more more aggressively earlier but it just goes to show you that just one. There's if there's one thing that the press can get right on this stuff it's a cover up or not cover. I'm right right do house. Democrats have any substantive role to play with their own powers Going going forward now that they've passed the articles so I think there's all this talk about them holding onto the impeachment and not sending it over one thing one reason I'm a little skeptical optical of that and I'm happy to be told I'm wrong about this you know there's been a lot of criticism of leadership for doing it too quickly for doing it. Too narrowly and so forth. I was for for a broader impeachment. I would've been happy to have a little longer or somewhat longer but I really wonder whether there's a genuine risk of some of these moderate starting to drop off off if it if it drags on right now. I don't know what happens from the point of view of those moderate members. If you pass the articles through the House the impeachments done and then you hold it. I suspect that they'd still not like that right. Because what they want is for took pushed over to the Senate I mean they want the hot potato out of their exact hands. But I'm going to switch metaphors. There's no such thing as half pregnant with impeachment Schmidt right you can't vote for the resolution that sets the rules of impeachment And then learn all this horrible stuff and then vote against impeachment. Which is why you know you? You have a basically unanimous democratic caucus voting for the articles of impeachment. Having voted for them. If more bad news comes to light about trump nick more evidence that he committed further impeachable offenses comes too late. You don't get to you. Don't save yourself anything by ignoring them. You've already voted for the impeachment. If you're scared the the voters in your district are going to be mad at you for that. It's that that ship has sailed it's overwrite so there's an argument that I think leadership should make to them though like we should press what we have to our fullest advantage and if that means is Holding more hearings damage trump. That's good for all democrats If that means You know holding the articles impeachment in order to make a stink about About the fact that the Senate majority leader has already announced. He wants to read the trial. That's all all to the better like the the the hard part is over the you know they are already You know going to be Identified in ads ads or whatever and Republican campaigns in the fall has members who voted to impeach trump. It's already happened so it reminds me in a weird way of back when Congress was debating the affordable care act and in Democrats were agonizing over whether they should do a public option or not or a national exchange versus a state based health insurance exchange and it was just so beside. The point is like it's obamacare either. You're going to vote for Obamacare or against it so stop agonizing over the little details If you decided that you need to vote for this because it's the right thing to do but you're scared about the political consequences down the line. The picayune details details aren't GonNa be what what causes you problem. It's going to be the vote. Will the votes done. So now. Just you know. Make the most of it That's sort of how I see it I I guess. I'm curious for your thoughts on that. Well I just want to try and step back and and raise a bigger point about all of this. I think we're almost pinning too much on some of this process stuff we know he's getting acquitted. Right we know that's going to happen. Okay we would like there to be a trial that's real. I think we don't know whether even if that happened. How much we would get from Bolton and Mulvaney although I would love to see it tried right so I don't? I don't know that that we can actually expect too much of a range of options at the end of this chapter right here right to me what I think really matters. There's more as what happens after the impeachment on the equival. Right if the Democrats continue to prosecute this stuff in court if they try to you know get testimony from people. Oh and by the way to go back to the point you raised before the possibility of other things breaking. You know. There's this I think there's a sort of illusion out there that this ends with trump's trump's acquittal right it doesn't I mean all these Republicans who vote no on the articles in the House and all the Republicans who vote to acquit. The Senate and. I think it's almost certainly going to be near unanimous in both right. Yeah what really is going to end up mattering over the long. Longterm is what comes out after and I think there's a extremely good chance we're GONNA get incredibly big revelations down the line that are at least as bad as the ones we already know the trial unless something unexpected happens and who knows maybe by the time you listen to this We'll be in a very different place but the trials probably going to start Artan early January. So we're talking a couple of weeks to To communicate to as much of the country as possible that Senate Republicans are going to try to short circuit witness testimony to complete a cover up for Donald Trump. How do you get the message out there? If you're the Democratic Party you know everyone's going to scatter the four To the four winds in and people are going to be with their families on Christmas and new years. And how do you. How out of you before before Mitch? McConnell manages to get that vote done. How do you get the word out in this environment on the short timeframe well? I don't really have an answer to that and I don't think anybody does right. I mean the information environment is really screwed up right now unless you're running official proceedings. You can't really get the sort of punch that you need..
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"We need to show that they can get things done in Washington but if you if you if you draw the like that like the fallacy is pretty obvious there right okay. So why don't they just pass everything that Donald Trump wants. It'll prove that they can get things done. Of course that means Donald Trump will become more popular and suddenly their ability to hold on to their districts. Democrats ability to hold the House Democrats ability to beat trump in the election and starts deteriorating right so like at some level down to how much of an emergency do you think we're in right and the frustration. Is that Pelosi and some of these other Democrats crats are not treating this like it's sufficient emergency right. It's an it is to my mind and emergency that overrides. All other policy goals right. We have eleven eleven months to decide whether we're going to continue to be a liberal democracy or not and whether or not you got a better deal in prescription drug prices the prescription drug prices are really important. But they're actually not as important as that. Yeah so I I actually think about this in almost the exact same way is that if Democrats rats are going to like cut if they're going to quote cut deals with trump They really ought to be a one shot deal. You're not gonNA have a second. The second chance to to get this done. That really advanced the ball on some progressive goal and They should also be issues issues. Sort of code as a Democratic Party issues so like I traced out a hypothetical that if trump were willing to pair a big minimum wage hike. Fifteen dollars minimum wage. Whatever in order to get this trade deal done like I'd probably get there? I think that that ends. You know you you get so much out of it that it might be worth it. And it's clear that trump gave some to get some and so it's not just a a straight victory for him but if you don't have that kind of You know situation at hand If the benefits are marginal or if you think that future Democratic president can do as well or better than you just don't do it right like this is not cutting the same trade deal with Mitt Romney it would be totally unremarkable of Democrats. were making this deal with Mitt Romney But in a world with democracy under threat and the US president is the single biggest part of that threat then handing him easily spun on victories. That validate key parts of his message. Seems like such an obvious mistake that I'm kind of stunned and I WANNA go back to this idea of despair that I was talking about about earlier because you know it's it's obviously not just me right. I mean I wrote this thing because I had this sort of ambien sense that it was happening The reaction to it was has got a ton of feedback from other people who are feeling the same thing. Recently I started reaching out to therapists to talk to them about what their patients are saying about trump I lasted this in the run up to the election I started talking to therapists about patients who had a lot of anxiety that trump would win the election. It's kind of heartbreaking. Because one way that they helped them manage that anxiety was to help them. See how unlikely that possibility was. She's obviously not possible anymore. Right so I've been talking to therapists pissed. You know in in blue parts of the country but who say that trump comes up in almost for some of them. Trump comes up in almost every session right and and I was just talking to somebody this morning. Who was telling me that She feels like people have moved from the state of hyper Hyper vigilance to a state of despair and that despair is I mean. It's dangerous for them but it's dangerous for all of us. We cannot ah go into election with are people feeling that By the way she was saying that some of the people that she treats they're having the hardest time with what's happening are are Holocaust survivors. And so I think that our people the people who are going to hopefully have a chance to save democracy In eleven months. They need to feel like they have a champion. They need to feel like there's somebody who recognizes the scale of the emergency who recognizes is. How terrified they are and who can stand up for them and inasmuch as we have everybody focused on this little tiny demographic slivers hours of these front-line districts? I don't think we have that and I think it's it's really really dangerous before wrapping it up. I did want to talk to little bit about the trial. What you anticipate it looking like stipulating that Sitting here we don't think that there's anywhere close to twenty the republican votes to remove him. What do you think it looks like? Are you concerned about these murmurings among moderate Democrats. They might prefer censure rather than impeachment. Of course I'm concerned terrified and I mean it's it's it's so self defeating it makes it makes my head want to explode. I mean I cannot fathom why they think that kind of getting to this point and then let essentially leading donald trump off the hook would be You know an a good idea not just for a good for the country but ultimately a good idea for them but the other thing that concerns me about the Senate trial With Bill Clinton's Senate trial. I think there was three witnesses called. I would be surprised if there's even that many I mean from what I've read there's you know there's trump who wants to turn it into a big circus and try to call hundred Biden and try to call all these other people in some sense. I feel like that would be the better situation for Democrats. Go find you call Hunter Biden but we're also calling Rudolph Giuliani and we're also calling. You know life partners and all these other figures a trial in which kind of nobody's but he's called and it's just kind of a bunch of Senate floor speeches seems really anticlimactic all right. Let's leave it there. Michelle Goldberg. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. That's it for this week. By next week's episode. The impeachment of Donald Trump should be complete and we will be awaiting the trial of Donald Donald Trump in the United States senate. That trial probably won't begin until January But that doesn't mean everything will be on hold until then there's another transcript out there. The Democrats want to see this one between Ukrainian President Vladimir's Alinsky and vice president. Mike pence so the chase is on for that will also likely learn whether and when the supreme cream court will hear arguments over president. Trump's challenges to all these subpoenas of his financial records and one silver lining of a narrow impeachment investigation.
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"Some of you on this committee appear to believe Russia and its security services did not conduct campaign against our country and that perhaps Somehow for some reason you credit. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by Russian security services themselves. And there's a story about impeachment that goes like this. Democrats moved to impeach Donald Trump two months ago because unlike the Russia scandal the Ukraine scandal is simple easy for the public to understand if you've heard that story before you may have heard this one that actually there are no distinct Russia and Ukraine scandals. There's just one scandal through two weeks of impeachment hearings. We learned a lot about the Ukraine backstory. The hoops president trump and his subordinates jumped through before he hopped on the phone with his Ukrainian counterpart Vladimir Zelinski. And said. I would like you to do us a favor though but what the hearings left fairly murky is how and when trump came to view the allied government of Ukraine as a target for and partner in corruption. It's not as though trump had a normal relationship with Ukraine before he became nervous about the twenty twenty election and then pick Zelinski is name out of a hat to understand how we got here. We have to go back to the beginning long before Donald Trump became president. You were reportedly the closest political geyser American Political Adviser to victory on a coach of Ukraine. Frayne who is a close ally Vladimir Putin Russia. If you're listening I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing being. There's been some controversy about something in the Republican Party Platform. That essentially changed. The Republican Party's views when it comes to I Ukraine. How much influence did you have on changing that language? Sir I had none in fact I didn't even hear of it until after I convention was over. Where did it come from then because everybody on the platform committee had said it came from the trump campaign if not you and frankly that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama the people of Crimea me up from what I've heard would rather be with Russia than where they were? Let's talk about this new reporting from the New York Times this morning about Paul Manafort and his dealings in The Ukraine with Viktor Yanukovych. He was a consultant for Victor Yanukovych and apparently the times and investigators have gone back and found these handwritten ledgers breaking news. Here more changes at the very top of the trump campaign. I'm told that this morning. His Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort offered and Donald Trump accepted his resignation. Paul Manafort joined the trump campaign in March of twenty sixteen around the time. The campaign came came to learn that Russia intended to leak dirt had stolen from Democrats at the time. Manafort was deeply in debt to a modeling Russian billionaire named Oleg Der Pasta and yet he agreed to work for trump pro bono. By that point trump had already made a big bazaar showing his admiration for Vladimir Putin but Manafort's unexpected arrival on the scene brought someone who had been at the center of the struggle between Russia and the West over the future of Ukraine into the heart of the trump operation seven and he was firmly on Russia's side between trump's deference to Putin and Manafort's lasting influence trump's relationship with Ukraine crane has never really been on the level last year. The Ukrainian government froze all of its ongoing investigations of manafort including its cooperation. With special counsel. Counsel Robert Muller in an Echo of the current extortion scandal Ukraine took that action just as the US finalized the sale of Javelin missiles to strengthen Ukraine's hand in. It's hot war with Russia. The country's president time was pets report. SHANECO who was once a client of you guessed it Paul Manafort and pour a Shaneco who's going to manufacture dirt on trump's political enemies until he unexpectedly lost the presidency to an anti corruption. Political reformer named Vladimir's Alinsky Alinsky or consider the Russian conspiracy theories that Rudy Giuliani pedaled on trump's behalf about the Biden's and Ukrainian interference in the two thousand sixteen election election. The became the subject of the trump Zielinski call on July twenty fifth. Giuliani pluck those from Russian aligned. Ukrainian oligarch named Dmitri for Tush. who was once business partners with again Paul Manafort and where did for Tosh get those conspiracy theories we'll probably from any number of places but the vector who imported that disinformation into the United States needs no introduction metaphors former or deputy Rick Gates has testified that manafort began pushing it starting before the twenty sixteen election? So this question. Why did trump takes such a predatory Oy posture with the new government of Ukraine? The short answer is simple. He wanted to cheat in the election but why pick on Ukraine in the first place that is part of a much longer story. My guest. This week is frank four. He's written extensively about Manafort and Ukraine in the Atlantic Manic. We'll look back at the origins of the Ukraine scandal and how they disappear into a larger story of corruption Russian election interference and the two thousand sixteen election. I'm Brian Butler. And this is Rubicon. frank thanks for being here pleasure So for a while. Now I've thought that the best way to kind of place. The Ukraine scandal in the wider constellation of trump's corruption is to just try to answer the question. How did the Ukraine scandal start? Because when I tried to pinpoint an origin I realized that the DOTS actually extend way into the past and it didn't just begin at random in May of this year when trump I had a freak out about about his standing in the election and having to run against Joe Biden. So how is he as you understand it. Did the Ukraine scandals start so I go back to this core question that critics have always asked about Donald Trump which is is this guy vulnerable to foreign manipulation and and people ask that question because of the wide array of properties that he owned around the world and the way that his business interests were tangled up in places where you authoritarian governments who just weren't abiding by the same sorts standards that that we abide by it. So I think you kind of have to go go back and look at the long history of people from the former Soviet Union trying to manipulate trump in various area sorts of ways and some of the relation is is willing and trump is fully aware of. What's happened a lot of it is subconscious and I think when you have oligarchs from Russia or Ukraine they look at trump and they say oh? This guy is a totally familiar figure. We understand how his mind works. We understand how he can be. He can be influenced and so people were using various channels to try to to sway way Donald Trump. And you know I think the first time. We really started to acutely conceptualize what was happening. I think is with the Manafort Fort Scandal where you said. This guy came from came from Ukraine. He was working for the Pro Russian party. Why was he why did he descended on the trump campaign? But I look all the way through and I see I see you have oligarchs In Ukraine rain who have constantly been trying to figure out. What's the right channel? Is it the campaign chairman. Is it the personal lawyer They're hiring Fox. News commentators as their lawyers are getting columns placed in the hill by by columnist who they can pretty well be sure is going going to end up in Donald Trump's twitter feed and so there's also the sense of they know exactly how to rile him up. It's a look at that Ukraine scandal. You know the the the narrow question that shift is focus on is. was there a quid pro quo. Was He trying to extort Ukrainians wins in order to get dirt on his political opponent. But I look at it and I say if I look at the transcripts now look at the whole narrative of the scandal. I'd say the president was very actively in successfully manipulated by bad actors in this part of the world who who were very very successful in shifting the foreign policy of the United States to suit their aims. I'm glad you put it that way because you listeners. who heard the INTRO Will suspect that I think Paul Manafort is a big part of the origin story of the of Ukraine scandal. And I definitely believe that but there are these episodes is it. Don't quite fit the picture right like after After trump's been elected and MANAFORT's no longer in the in the middle of trump world. There's there's this story about this Ukraine peace plan right that that makes its way to Mike. Flynn who was then the national security adviser but it doesn't come from manafort directly comes uh-huh maybe not for Manafort at all. It comes from Michael Cohen and and Felix Seder. who were You know in league with the same same sort of shady people that you just described but on a sort of a different channel and even I wonder you know and I'm pretty pretty thick and all this like how critical critical Manafort is to the story. Because if you imagined he'd like never worked for trump Trump was still very much in Russia's debt When the election and ended He was singing Putin's praises long before Manafort joined the campaign. He was working on the Moscow. Tower project independently Manafort and and. It seems conceivable to me that we were always going to end up here. Because Russia help trump win and Russia's leverage over trump and so trump was going to side with the store corrupt factions actions in Ukraine rather than the pro-western reformers. No matter what I think. That's I think this would happen absent. Paul Manafort because you you have a lot of people in so I think that the the actually the crucial thing is the development of the relationship between Ukraine in the United States. It's and I'm just GONNA. I think this is a foreign policy story in addition to being a corruption story which is that Russia is a revolution in Ukraine in two thousand fourteen. The PRO Russian government. The Paul Manafort works for gets swept out of power they get replaced by By by a more liberal democratic regime albeit still oligarch kick and the United States starts spending a lot of money protecting Ukraine and that gives us leverage over Ukraine. So you have somebody. He like Ambassador Marie Ivanovich who's in Ukraine. All American ambassadors always wanted Ukraine to behave in a less corrupt sort of way they've always wanted presidents to challenge Ukraine's oligarchy system. But finally we had all this leverage over the government and the government starts taking actions to clean clean itself up and so you got a lot of oligarchs who were suddenly very much on the defensive. Paul Manafort's clients were on the defensive. You've Rudy Giuliani's kind of new clients and the people that he collaborated with in this extortion scheme were suddenly on the defensive and and so they needed to find a way to undermine the US embassy in Kiev and so they see that Donald Trump was a guy who they could manipulate into doing their bidding. They're and they're the way that they were able to entice. Donald trump to their side was to feed him a lot of bogus. This conspiracy theories that he bought into because they were They all adopted the kind of the memes of Donald Trump. They there were arguments about the deep state. They were arguments about how he was. His opponents. Were manipulating things that were arguments about. How Ukraine was the one manipulating the election? Not Russia and so they knew how they knew how to to to to to go him they knew his psyche..
"donald trump" Discussed on Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump
"Jurassic. We'll discuss the dots left unconnected by the impeachment been increased so far and what we risked by not connecting them. I'm Brian Butler Quinta Jurassic. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me so I guess. Let's just start with your global assessment of the impeachment process as it stands in specifically what you thought when you read Gordon. Silence is opening statement and then he washed his hearing and all of the revelations that came out of that Schorr. Well I remember seeing someone roads In the morning before silence hearing that it wasn't going to be very notable unless he went full semi the ball. Sammy the bull vulgar. No the famous mafia figure who flips turned on the Mafia gave testimony against them. And I think it's fair to say that he went full Sammy the He really turned on a dime from what he'd said during his testimony which there plenty of questions about that but he was was incredibly damning what he said about the extent to which everyone was in the loop I think was the exact phrase and that really just knocks down defense after defense after defense the Republicans had been road testing. She wrote a piece for the Atlantic earlier. This month about how it's folly. To assume career government officials will save us from the threat the trump and his supporters pose to democracy and the piece itself off is about I about Robert Muller and later about the diplomats Who testified at the first impeachment? Hearings I wonder how Fiona Hill's testimony that that ended search just before we record this fits into your view of that so my argument and the piece was that the first two civil servants who testified instantly kind of became name of online George Kent had the bow tie. Hi Bill Taylor had this great Walter cronkite voice and they sort of came forward as the voices of almost authority from a different time I'm of you know America Apple Pie and that's really appealing right now. In a sort of the bleak period in which we're living and the danger is that those civil servants are not there to be heroes. They're there to do their jobs. which actually Taylor in Kent kept saying over and over again? You know. I'm I'm nonpartisan. I'm telling you what I know. I've been called to testify and I felt it was my duty. I don't WanNa be here with Fiona Hill. She's a little bit differently differently. Situated than Kent in that she's technically was a political appointee in this administration but I think she does speak to that kind of ethos of public public service in the in the way that she was testifying and in the same way as you saw Taylor can't allow a lot of people right now. Said you know Fiona Hill Forever Fianna Hell Fan the club. You know I've been self you and a hill twenty twenty. It's like no there. Yeah right she unfortunately cannot run for president And there's a similar dynamic. There is the one that I I saw with Kenton Taylor. To that Fiona Hills job was to work in the National Security Council in Europe and Russia matters and her job now as she sees it as clearly to come before Congress and tell Congress what she knows she kept emphasizing again and again. I'm a fact witness. This is my purpose but she's not going to ride in and save the day and what I mean by that specifically is that she's actually she's she's been an incredible witness Just in terms of I mean her own performance. He's given these amazing speeches but however many speeches she gives they're not going to break through to the gym Jordan's of the world and so does it help the Democrats and the impeachment. The effort that they have this amazing witness Fiona Hill that she tells a clear story that matches up with everyone else's strobe -solutely but it's not going to solve the problem that you know at the end of the day Jim Jordan and Devin nunes are still going to be up there yelling about the steele dossier. So I've been struck a few times as the impeachment process. This is unfolded by so the flip side of this like th. They don't have a magic ability to convince Jim Jordan and they might not even feel like It it's their role all to involve themselves beyond whatever legal obligation to Congress is by how this process has revealed. How these conspiracies can fester and develop even as people of genuine integrity witness them unfolding get folded into them and they're still kind of no way for them to to do what we might imagine? The heroic thing is right like I think a Bill Taylor first and foremost in this. Because he knew something was up and he could resign Zayn and he could have blown the whistle but he worked through proper channels to try to stop the conspiracy from taking effect and he tried to help the people of Ukraine and yet from from his perspective. He prevailed right like the. The Republicans are so fond of noting that quid pro quo was never fully consummated and having succeeded why would he then speak up. Lose his post throw the Ukrainians that he clearly cares about to the very wolves he just save. Save Them From and so if it hadn't been for the impeachment process I don't think he would've ever said anything about this and then separately. There's this really dramatic matic testimony from Fiona Hill that we clipped played in the intro. A big part of what I think she was talking about. There was perception right from her perspective. There was this sort of wrong but limited meddling happening in Ukraine policy but then from Gordon silence perspective he was just carrying out policy what he believed the US policy to be and so the whole notion of conspiracy is kind of the wrong language for either of them to describe what's happening and so there's nothing thank really for either of them to do to alert the public right and so it's not just the bureaucrats can't save us because they can convince the broader public or they can't Stop Stop Republicans From acting in their own political interests but they can't save us because sometimes they just can't see that there's anything to save us from they have equities to protect attacked or they're just kind of in the fog of it and blind to all the dimensions of what they're living room. Does that make sense. I think the the best example of someone who's who's struck in the fog seems to have been Kurt Volker and in saying this I'm drawing not only on Volker's own testimony which seemed to me like he may have I've been trying to intentionally obfuscate his understanding of what was going on but The testimony of others including can't Ann Taylor who kind of indicated that they felt Volker may have been drawn a little too far in that. They didn't question his motives but that he was thinking a little too much. Sort of tactically step-by-step. How do I mitigate harm and that lost the sense of when you take a step back? This is really something wrong. That's happening and in that way. Volker is actually a really good example I think of the sort of the corruption of Donald Trump right the the way that people kind of get sucked in and and lose their perspective regarding the other people involved. Here you know Taylor Kent Hill would. Would we be hearing from any of these people. If the whistle blower complaint hadn't been filed. I don't know and I agree. It's a really disturbing bring thought not only because you know how many other instances have there been where a whistleblower complaint wasn't filed and we didn't find out what happened vend but also because I think it goes back to the same issue with Volker. You know this is a case study of how difficult it is has to be a moral person and serve your country which all these people really do seem to have that. We're doing under incredibly difficult. Circumstances in a government run by someone who's actively trying to undermine you they're all these people trying to do the right thing and some of them have even come out of it looking good and at the end of the day. There's just this lurking question of did they let themselves has get drawn into far. I mean we we can zoom back. To other controversies other officials. Who we were told were the adults in the room who were trying to keep trump on the rails keep policy in order in in many cases? It seems like what that ended up forcing them to do was try to cram a corrupt endeavor into a facially legitimate government action try to find a legal pretext text for it. Try to find a policy rationale for it that could be explained to Congress to the public to themselves probably as you know maybe not ideal policy and maybe not wise but acceptable within you know with you know on the rails in some sense and then they leave and we never get the full story because you know either they succeeded in cramming trump's corrupt objectives into whoa facially non-corrupt box in a bail or the try to stop it and they resign and they go back to their private lives and in almost all these cases with like like the one big exception being Jim Komi we just never hear from Jim. Mattis former defense secretary from DNA Powell former deputy national security adviser iser nature. mcmasters another good example of this and it makes me really worry about what happens on the flip side of this impeachment process is that we're going to go back to that. And trump is going to be at the apex of his corruption because he's going to have survived the one confrontation over it. The Democrats were willing to bring against the question should Democrats wrap this impeachment up without making some kind of maybe time-limited but serious effort to compel testimony from the principals. I suppose right. The bureaucrats won't save us with any of the political appointees. Have the information that's needed. If not to remove Donald Trump then to strip away the legitimacy from the things he might do as he abuses his power going forward. So I think that the clear implication of Hill's testimony is that John Bolton knew a lot more about what was happening in real time than she did and he tried to shield the National Security Council from it and Democrats haven't even issued him a subpoena. Is that a mistake Bolton. I don't understand what Game Baltin is playing to be completely honest with you. I mean it really seems like he can't decide Reid who he wants to go to the prom with he he kind of you know. He says he doesn't WanNa testify and then he dangles you know. Well I have all this information that I could give you sort of one step forward one step back so I'm going to be completely honest. I have no idea what game he is playing. I agree with you. That based on Hill's testimony it seems like he has a lot to say. Based on the testimony of two Morrison Hill. Successor is seems like he has a lot to say because Morrison Morrison was an incredibly frustrating witness. Not even talking about the public airing but just by his deposition. If you read the transcript. He basically says John Bolton you know went into this room and had this conversation and then he came out and he's asked what did he say to you and he basically Gli says I don't want to talk about that over and over again and so we get these kind of hints that John Bolton must have known more and must have. You've done more without that ever actually being fleshed out soon away..
"donald trump" Discussed on CNN's The Daily DC
"Hey, everyone. I'm David chalian the CNN political director, and this is the daily DC. Thanks so much for listening today on the podcast, Donald Trump's own words. This is a moment in time where it looks to me a baker's to hear of others agree that President Trump seems to be grasping for straws in finding his argument, his spin, his pushback on this moment after the Cohen, guilty plea and the Manafort guilty convictions that rocked his world this week. Now, I know that the president and his allies have repeatedly said this has nothing to do with Russia. There is no collusion fact, the president tweeted, no collusion and witch-hunt in all caps at one eleven AM this morning from from the White House. So he's clearly still focused on the fact that this doesn't get to what Muller's main mission is here. Which is investigating whether or not anyone in the Trump campaign or Trump associates were includes with Russia in Russia's efforts to meddle in the twenty sixteen election to harm Clinton's candidacy and help Trump's candidacy. But to just say that defies the facts on the ground. Now of people close to Donald Trump who are in significant legal and illegal peril or facing significant jail time and who potentially have significant information still to share one doesn't know. But what is clear to me if you listen to all the Republicans on Capitol Hill, either in their silence or when they do try to support the president of it this week, it is more on that notion that there's nothing here about Russia. They're still no public evidence about a conspiracy collusion scheme between the campaign and Russia, but that is quite different from dealing with that. The press. Isn't was implicated in a federal crime as we discussed yesterday and the podcast. So I thought if we listen to bits and pieces of his Fox News.
"donald trump" Discussed on Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill
"Tremendous respectful women have you ever had have respect for me and i will tell you know i have not it was that denial that comment from donald trump that spurred summers irvoas to speak out about her experiences with him i ran for fifteen minutes you tell mr trump emerged he hadn't sued on i stood up and he came to me and started kissing me open mouth as he was pulling me towards him i walked away down in a chair he was on a less seat across from me and i made an attempt at conversation then asked me to sit next to him i complied he then grabbed my shoulder and began kiss me again very gresley and pays places hand on my breast i pulled back and walked to another part of the room he then walked up grabbed my hand and walked me into the bedroom i walked out he then turned around and said leslie down and watch some telly telly put me in in brave in embrace and i tried to push him away i pushed his chest but space between us and i said come on man get real he'd be repeated my words back to me get real as he began thrusting his genitals he tried to kiss me again with my hands still on his chest and i said do your trip and right now attempting to make it clear i was not interested he said what do you want and i said i came to have dinner he said okay we'll have dinner after service went public donald trump began to systematically lay.
"donald trump" Discussed on Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill
"Yes they're concerned well that's their problem not ours are we going to wind up with with so many people's lives gone in south korea in seoul because we make that move ask you this how do you feel about dead americans john bolton's appointment as the national security adviser comes as wall to all news coverage details the multiple alleged affairs that donald trump had with stormy daniels or special you remind me of my daughter he's like you're smart beautiful and a woman to be reckoned with like you i like you with karen mcdougal he's very proud of ivanka essay shed bay i mean she's a brilliant woman she's beautiful she's you know that's his daughter and he should be proud her he said i was beautiful like her and you know you're smart girl and there's been a lot of comparing but there was some it might be hopeful to recall what happened the last time the country was in a similar situation with a sitting president and that was bill clinton in the late nineteen ninety s i want you to listen to me i'm going to say this again i did not have sexual relations with that woman miss lewinsky i never told anybody to live and not a single time never these allegations are false and i need to go back to work for the american people as the socalled monica lewinsky scandal intensified in nineteen ninety eight and nineteen ninety nine bill clinton seemed to find a new love for lobbing cruise missiles and authorizing bombing campaigns in afghanistan and sudan for seventy eight days at us led nato bombing of yugoslavia and of course iraq in operation desert fox which clinton authorized on the eve of the impeachment proceedings against him earlier today i ordered american forces to strike iraq are missile sent the following message to saddam hussein when you abuse your own people or threaten your neighbors you must pay a price.
"donald trump" Discussed on WSJ Opinion: Potomac Watch
"May shen for most of the american people and one came home to us i think was during that all of the fight over the tax legislation when a most of the american people thought they were going to get a tax increase from this legislation that was literally false but there was really no straightforward publicity being given out there to the broad american public and so in a kind of uh it was kind of like propaganda they came to believe the opposite of what was true and so the messaging burden now falls completely on the white house or these house republicans who were running to try to get reelected against both the democratic uh uh opposition is going to run donald trump at dumb uh as the reason why they should elect democrats on a media that's going to give them no help whatsoever i think this gets to what i what i believe bill is the biggest problem is president has and that's a matter of credibility uh he's uh made statements th starting i think with the ah assertions about the numbers of people at the inaugural and the long which were factually inaccurate he says a lot of things that are simply untrue or exaggerated he boasts in a way takes credit for things he doesn't deserve you search things that aren't true sometimes because he's i think dissembling other times because he's just ignorant doesn't really know when he makes assertions that are false that he thinks might be true and just five lives up to what he had called in private life uh uh what truthful hyperbole a tool he used to try to influence public debate but when you're in the white house and you start to do that again and again and again you have roading credibility and i think that it has reduced what is every presidents traditional stra of ability is to the the the power to persuade and if you can't persuade congress that it's hard to move your legislation and in particular i think trump does not scare democrat.
"donald trump" Discussed on The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
"Donald trump was elected president on the number eight two thousand sixteen just a couple of months later the court ruled against donald trump's appeal and he was ordered to pay one us in rick as around three hundred thousand dollars so i guess that's america we could erin looking aaron i broke him he broke an how you doing budd okay graf was it worse than you imagine it was a better um it was it was exactly what i expected till the very end i think though the guy the guy voting for as a kid i i think the truth is that it is like you know if i've heard a lot of this just in like you know a vacuum of conversation that you here because now news is so there's so much coming at you so often you already can't absorb it and in a way what he's done is he's overloaded the system with information via there's just too much that so crazy that it's impossible to focus on it i mean if we truly just folk it like if we could just hone in on like say the sexual assault his committed and you just stuck to that potentially that could get legs in that could actually start to become something that can hurt him or the idea that he's you know his business practices the problem is it's almost like a mighty morphin power power ranger of all this different bullshit formed into one big fucking monster it so he he so um uh wrong on so many different level overwhelms a overwhelming an but also like the system the fact that the system that we live in this is legal yeah um that's a problem it's also a problem now because the eu certainly i mean.