18 Episode results for "Curio Shop"

Two Guns, Arizona

Small Town Spirits Podcast

10:25 min | 10 months ago

Two Guns, Arizona

"Ooh Mall Town. Spirits is a weekly podcast that visit small towns around the world at tells the story experience reported there onto places ghost towns and yet people have had their experiences on these sites include our expeditions without Myron Paranormal Adventure Machine Class. A RV scary stories from around the world here in the states. Look what we and others have experienced in our small towns. First one we're going to talk about is a town called to guns. It's up along the old highway. Sixty six about thirty three miles east of flagstaff. Basically on the forty he goes down on the East Rim of Canyon Diablo and prosper as a tourist. Stop along route. Sixty six for several years before interstate forty came along people just zipped past the town after that. Now it's a fun. Stop that stretch. Your legs walk around small buildings or meander down into the death game for some Chili experiences. There if you plan to park and walk about the area great it does get hot a two guns in the summertime so be sure to take some water with you if you drive around stick to the roads and look out for nails. Broken bottles may do damage to your tires. I've been to two guns a couple of times now and both times. I took Elvir of my paranormal adventure. Shane cheese a forty foot class. A RV parked near the gas station and walked around from there. You for two guns became anything at all of Americans in the area. The side is chock full of artifacts that date back four hundred two thousand years. The first people to arrive in the area after the native Americans were traders and Mountain men. These folks set up trading posts called the canyon. Lodge things went quite well for awhile. Traders had a good relationship with the local novel people however of course things went south for the tribe when the US calvary came in they gathered the native inhabitants and in eighteen sixty four began the attempted ethnic cleansing by the US government known as the Navajo Long Walk they force the Navajo to move to a reservation called Bosque Redondo really an internment camp over four hundred eighty miles away near Fort Sumner New Mexico after imprisoning the now over four years Oscar Redondo. They were allowed to return to their homeland in Arizona. In eighteen sixty eight million of them returned to the Canyon. Diablo area the two guns area was the site of a significant battle between the novel and the Apache. For many years the two tribes fought pitched battles in eighteen. Seventy eight a group of ACHY. Warriors came north attacked and I woke camp emerged. Everyone except for the three novel girls. The Apache took the girls prisoner. Then they raided and looted the area the Navajo warriors from another camps and then to look for the Apache and they eventually found one version of the story says that a Navajo Warrior. The warm air coming up from all in the ground and when he stopped to investigate here it soft voices rising from the bat breaching the Navajo. Were Party. Lit Fires Green Sagebrush caves exit and shot anywhere. You're trying to escape. And the end forty two. Apache died of smoke inhalation and others from gunshot wounds the Navajo. Strip the Apache other valuables and the ACHY. Death cave is still there and you could visit with just a little bit of climbing back toward flagstaff and twin arrows. Just on the far side of Canyon. Diablo billy the kid and his gang in the ruins on a stone house and corral. During the winter in eighteen seventy nine eighteen eighty white settlers began to move into the Kenyan yellow area and they realized it'd be a great place to cross the Canyon. I they went by wagon and later cars and trucks could pass in about eighteen eighty three miles north to guns. A railroad town was built called Canyon. Yabu Canyon Diablo died. It became a ghost town of its former self before two guns became a thought. In someone's at by one thousand nine hundred twelve homesteaders were staking claims in the area. The national old trails road ran through the region and two years later engineers survey potential crossing of Canyon Diablo at three years. After that they completed newbridge made of concrete and rebar cars and trucks were able to cross safely. Daniel be oilfield and his wife moved in your IRA and build a square house of stone in nineteen fourteen. They operate as a trading post. Travelers prospectors cowboys. Shepherd is an Indian. Would stop by trade for things they needed. The oldfield's added a restaurant and a gas station and called the arise. Canyon Lodge Earl and Louise Come live purchased about two three hundred twenty acres of land on the West Side of the Canyon and one thousand nine hundred twenty. They built a large stone building. This building was also a trading post and by nineteen twenty. Two of the candidates had put in a restaurant in gasoline station to support the operation Henry to guns Miller who said he was full blooded. Apache Lisa Lange. From the condit's he was an eccentric hermit. Who was wild violent and hostile toward visitors? He called himself chief crazy. Thunder Miller his wife with the aid of the area. Opiates began to build pens. Dow's Mountain Hilo Monsters and desert creatures in a zoo like facility. They also made a stone structure to act as the entrance to the zoo with a store and a place for him and his wife to live. Miller soul the skeletons up the Apache who had been killed years earlier in the death game to visitors. You stop by Henry to guns. Miller gave his name to the town. Another wouldn't be around to experience. The sudden increase of people visiting two guns when the national old trails became route. Sixty six Miller got into an argument with all kinds of on March third nineteen twenty six or his lace and shot and killed kind of now. There was acquitted of murder. Even though conduct was unarmed Miller. Return to two guns and as to Mountain. Lions mauled a poisonous. He'll drag in ill monster betty. Anne became sick another left to guns on the lot of Silver Turquoise jewelry and other merchandise in the fall of Nineteen Twenty Nine Miller store. Burt down and this is kind of built a large frame building from which he ran or trading post into a stop. Miller returned to guns and said the land was his many trips to court took place and Mrs Kenneth was shared the deed to the property. Mrs Kind of open to Texaco gas station in Nineteen thirty four afterward. They built multiple small buildings in the area. Another restaurant and Curio shop along I had through southern Arizona New Mexico other people including OPIE chief Joe Second Cuckoo operated these new businesses. They hired Hopi Indians off the reservation. They conducted tours through the Hopi House where they sold any products and other items is a quick history of the two gunsight. I got a lot of the information from the legends of America Website at HDTV COLIN FORWARD SLASH FOR SLASH LEGENDS OF AMERICA DOT Com. Get a lot of great information about historic on it places in the US. When I forty bypassed to guns it died a quick death. Many buildings to none still stand roof walls doors exist on many of the buildings graffiti. Trash all over the place but it's still eerily beautiful like I said I've been there a couple of times now. First Time I was alone. There were a couple campers at the gas station as you pass as you exit forty. No one else was there that I could see. I parked fire the paranormal adventure machine. Just west of the gas station and sounds. It was summer in the heat. Outside is a little comfortable uncomfortable. I started the generator in the air conditioning. Units locked up and took a walk. I went to almost every building on the property taking photos making notes. I wasn't sure exactly where the Apache Death. Kate was virus so I kept an eye open the photos. I had seen shown a ramp that made it easier to get him out of the came the pictures and the ramp to be in pretty bad shape. I did find it at the first building. I got to stone up. It's about fifteen feet long. Maybe eight feet wide with red painted door. The roof is intact for the most part but all the glass in the windows broken. I walked down the bed of scree that leads to the came about six hundred feet down pretty steep angle they were rocks and ledges. Unplayed UPKEEP bowels go to the right of the top of the ramp which is now repaired and Elise Small Open area surrounded by rock walls under the wind ramp Was an entrance to a cave. I deduct down goners. Steel support being somebody at installed. The Rock from falling in on the other side of the temperature dropped about thirty degrees. I found myself on a tunnel I could stand upright following the the took. It opened up to the sky in many places and I came to shelf with game beyond it to my right though. Further on was ally in the Path and the right side ledger. Small Chamber about six feet across more around than anything and almost tall enough for me to stand on the left. Side of the lie was a passage. It continued into the darkness around the band. I ended the first big chamber. I felt like I was standing in a very crowded room like there are a lot of people standing around me. I politely introduced myself and said I look around. Who opened the cave? I didn't mean any disrespect. After a moment I felt a crowning. Stop the feeling. Didn't go away completely. But it was noticeable. The room was about thirty feet. Long fifteen feet across and maybe ten feet high plenty of space to walk about without banging my head. Another passage continue to the back of that Jaber followed through that it was a larger room seemingly empty of any presence. Besides myself I moved around soccer passageway at the back of this room leading toward the southeast. But I couldn't get my belly through just a couple of feet come back again next week. And will visit broncos cabinet down around dues Toner Zona Nice for listening to the small town spirits. Podcast guests brought to you by Pacific coast. Paranormal you could find us at facebook and PCB investigations more Pacific Mirror. Normal DOT com.

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Sneak Peek: DAMN YOU, UNCLE LEWIS!  Helloween

ScreamQueenz: Where Horror Gets GAY!

21:10 min | 11 months ago

Sneak Peek: DAMN YOU, UNCLE LEWIS! Helloween

"How this program is a proud member of you. Need Voice Unified Unique Voices. Learn more at you. Needles pods dot net. Hello My name's Patrick and I must scream. Queen. I'm scream queen and celery you. Hello again my beautiful gamers and welcome. Welcome Doing Boras episode Queens. The podcast were against gay tonight. You are getting a sneak peek at yet. Another episode of the Patriarch Exclusive Spin podcast. Damn you want Lewis a Friday. The thirteenth series retrospective. And this time. We're talking `bout episode five. Which is Halloween Halloween? Were Mickey and Ryan Jack. Decide to throw a Halloween party curious goods except they haven't unexpected visitor. The devil no close. Oncle Lewis yes. He's back from Helen. He's here to raise some hell. And Oh boy we're GONNA have some fun talking about it so enjoy. This sneak peek at five of them. You longer available only on Patriot. Hello come in. Come in come in. Do come in out of the terrible weather. Welcome welcome to my very curious. Curio shop how do I hate to inform you? The shop is closed for tonight because well it's a rally special evening our monthly meeting of sorts. So unless you're here for the meeting I'm going to have to ask you to leave the nature of the meeting. You ask well let me put it this way. Sometimes uncle Louis does dreadful things. Damn you eat pretty. Thirteen greatness picky pad. I hereby call tonight's meeting of Damn you uncle Louis to order and with me on my co chairs for the meeting as always the fabulous Meyer Murphy and Mr Tradein High A. Guys we're in serious trouble man. What why I'm CA- Lewis is back. And he really did a bad thing. He did impacted dreadful thing man. He's totally back. You guys. We are in so much trouble. The episode we are talking about is Halloween. So what we're getting into the details one of you. Just give me a quick synopsis. What happened in this episode? There's a Halloween party in the store. Some no good people get into the vault and start calling out any spirits who WANNA comply so uncle. Lewis is like. This is my store. I'M GONNA come hang out. He asks are heroes for help. They being pretty dumb dumbs help him so then he goes on this madcap chase to try and get a body again but he has to finish his whatever spell before the sun comes up his loses magic. Halloween powers and sold yet. That's pretty much it. Yeah Yep YEP YEP YEP at notably. This is the first episode. Were Mickey's hair goes bananas. I know roby hair teased out for the Halloween Party. But there were scenes. What Mike it would be a close up over. The whole screen is just haired little tiny facing just hair and I make I make so good so good. Oh my goodness immediately I am I. Of course it starts off and make these bedrooms. Isn't the radio getting ready for this party that they're having the at the store and what happened? It was like a fake wall is a fake waller's looking back as always surprisingly cool with it in her bedroom. Visit jump scare which she goes over to the window and let go walls down a dead body behind the wall and she's like just turned out to be one of dumb asses friends who is watching her change or something. Super Creepy treat like diabetes. A what's happening below is a bad idea. This isn't a good prank. And then he's like Halloween. All about is good breaks. And I'm like is. It was about candy and summoning demonic spirits. Right you with candidate at record we have a new record was the two minutes and thirty second mark. We've got a Jack Accent. We waste no time for ridiculous Jack Accent. Oh Bad boob folks. Oh he's he's pervious. What exactly was it was something about. Oh you're quick enough down there. Oh No it was. Is this your bosom friend? Oh is there a plum? You don't need anything extra. That's creepy duck duck women's hoops and he pulls the plug out of her her breast cleavage. Plum like creepy creepy. It was recruiting subject. Just Penn sexual and go after anything. I mean one thing touching people when you shouldn't is another thing is it's my party and I'll want to grope of a want to throw the party at curious goods because I guess they really don't have a good reputation. Oh my cousin says that we're trying to welcome people back into the store and shouldn't be afraid we're going to have a good old time noble work. Today's year Ooh doesn't have a death curse at all now. I always wondered what's going on at the store next door. I WanNa see that show their. Here's a thumping noises time. People's blood translates what they're going to say is that we were talking earlier. Patrick about how? They didn't know what they were doing. Didn't give a shit so the characters they talked about. How Ryan said Mickey you know this isn't the BMW crowd. So I thought she's supposed to be rich. And prissy is at her character at this point fiance we haven't seen was radio pressing probably drove a BMW but now getting a allowance from that guy. Oh he's in the early episodes she's rich and Presi okay. I'm used to the PUNK MICKEY. But that's comes later. That comes later we have made. I'm so you're saying we're saying like it's still really early on in the series we're still below the six. Is this the six episodes? Yeah and it's normally six before you start getting feedback okay. Six is what they pitch. Yeah you know they have mechanics or whatever you know. What do you get picked up? And they kind of just start tinkering after that. So they didn't know had a hit on their hands so nobody gives a shit. Nobody's performing Intel and gives us shame is visible. We are not getting picked up Blah Blah. Nobody cares la La la but then surprise that gets picked up now number is seven his party and what happens to dorks go into the vault which is not locked. There's a sign that says keep out. This means boo and one of the friends goes. Hey look what about sign sign or the other guy goes will sign for jerks not for us. It's like that means you are jerks. You are jerks. Can I talk about this for a minute for it? But did you notice about the sign uncle as a demon? Uncle Sam because it's a Canadian production and they always have to convince you that is happening in America in the eighties. Every Canadian production did this. This is totally America because such an American account each movie just find a little weary in America. Yes it's literally like a little sign across the not even across the door. It's an open doorway tape police tape but just like with Simon Devil Uncle Sam in the middle. It's why were they out and just do something like this. This means why. Would you not lock the bolt locks? Actually I don't what I what I watched it. The third done I realized they don't get into the vault there just downstairs because I know that this downstairs. It downstairs downstairs Jackson's later on that. It Tastes Crystal Ball. You GODDAMN CHECK SO JACK. Ball about balls. The root of all evil you play with. Jax Balls and see what happens. Stop Training they turn blue and shit crazy good. Is that what happened? Is that what happened? Yeah Green is a dangerous color for oral or you've had an erection for four hours longer route off. And what are these guys? WanNa go poking around the basement. It's a spirit alouine Bro. These best friends. We are never going to see two guys. WanNa go off into a dark room by themselves. That's something with someone else's balls. Did you notice who else was not at the Party? Old Woman from departing. You're never gonNA see Birdie again Jack. Pro Her Little Art Jack. That kid was the cable. Just stolen everything. So they'll get a field so she can be MRS doubtfire. Jack's doing is he telling ghost stories and doing magic tricks recycling recycling his mum costume but with a hat notice that there's recycling among costume from episode two. But now the wizards at he's telling stories and and doing magic tricks and doing tower tower for the group and the first card he pulls is death and as soon as he does the lights. Go Out. But that's okay because that's just dorks right did not and so of course everybody's screaming and panicking and he's fine. He says something like Oh well. This is why I prefer magic because technology is so unreliable. Shut up I shut. Technology Lights not technology basic necessity. Come on now. Also I'd like to point out that in Tarot death doesn't mean death death death card is always about transformation about change. Never read Tarot cards right and Shit pisses me off. No no what is it the nine swords. That's a bad one right over. That guy is doing Because it's coming it's coming for you in the back and you will not see now. I forget exactly what happened. Like all of a sudden got real and I don't remember to. It was like an earthquake and the ceiling starts to collapse. Oh we the door downstairs talking to the crystal ball and Williams like I want to go back to the party and the other door is like no man any spirits who wanna come hang out I guess and then the ball starts lighting up different colors smoking breathing and then it like the winds and it starts raining inside the party. I couldn't quite tell what the effect was supposed to be something because you can see the walls cracking panicked finds out anyway so the party is ruined. Ruined wasn't hard to begin with but then jackets hold on. I got this I as my crystal ball I can reverse the whole thing. He says one spell and he's just like an done also was Lisa three left. He starts whispering to them like okay. Let's go find the unlike wait. Why are you whispering three view in your house and your house? Yeah and he just does a little magic. Okay we're done banished and leave outside. He runs into the loss trick. Or treater girl. Oh No it was obviously a trap. It's Halloween and she's wearing something that doesn't quite flapper isn't quite grandma. And it's like no track and she's lost so she leaves him back to her house. Which is what you mommy's what you said you've got to walk her home. I get that. That's my come with make creepy. Oh Man I walk you home on Halloween but I guess what are you GonNa find? Someone's got to be nice to the kids in those. Obviously it doesn't bother to tell Ryan and Mickey that he's going anywhere notes. Everything's Fine Dan. When I wrote my notes there's a Kiddie. Yeah there's a kid blue black cat. We haven't seen since the post that's right. We could afford an animal handler. This episode thanks. Host cat is a cat. It's a haunted house. Is it on salary. I don't understand because nobody's talking about it or whatever just shows up when needed it eats the hunted rats in the basement. Hey you need something spooky. Need some filler. I'm a cat committee. Everybody jump scare right here. John Scare read anybody. Nope okay. I'm just beyond my chair but Jack is gone walking this little girl home. We get a visitation from uncle. Louis Louis Uncle Lewis who inexplicably has a southern accent. Because we're in America. Y'All does I mean that guy really his accent. He's a terrible actor who he was still any detectable actor but he has got credits like sixty years of credits slid like the biggest directors in western freely. Okay Yeah I mean. But he can't handle anything but I mean. He was in children of the corn for thirty seconds. And you're like yeah but like you're CIALIS too. So I the alley corn right children of the corn. She's in children of the damned Villigen villages damned once none of the now. I'm sorry the bad but also like when the Lewis Mickey's like Uncle Louis. Recognize him from the photos so houses connected is his family. That's the one thing I'll take the reminders. A family tree of Mickey and Ryan we can establish that because then we'll know how gross it is every time Ryan hits on Mickey. Yeah we didn't have any this episode. You just told her I was really waiting for it. And it did really pretty wait and see total normally. Expect the show to stick to that but it was nice to have one episode where we didn't do it or breeder every couple of when they're locked bedroom he's GonNa say something and grouse grow clocking his bedroom. But we're not there Lewis shows up. And we had some Hammy Hammy Hammy Hammy Hammy Hamming. Because I mean he's there and he's a serial and transparent. Oh yes we're doing. Everyone's favourite goes to federal obviously in the scene and even with the diaphanous and even with the voice changer. Mike Your not scary. He has like an Ascott and suspenders. And none of it fits right. It's like you didn't die that long ago. What's the outfit Halley elites? Sorry Oh he's snows. Sorry Lewis did a bad thing but he apologizes for any leads us into a secret room with his dead wife later. It housed rooms and the store that no one has noticed food. It's huge and apparently it turns out he's given this whole sob stories like you don't understand. I'm repentant I try to break the deal and now I'm going to hail and it's terrible and so if there was anything I do to undo it and maybe that can John Say I have to make a tone for the murder murdered again. Murdered my wife not not with my hands but with my ambition it was uncle. Louis in the secret room with the ambition. He's going on as killed it with my ambition for power and for Great. I'm like okay simmered down Macbeth come and that my beautiful beautiful screamers is all. You're going to get this time of. Damn you uncle Louis where we're talking about Halloween now man and you're missing all the good stuff. We even got into the crazy bit. Yeah we missed having gone the evil midget we haven't gone to. The Lover Spat between Jack and uncle. Louis we haven't gotten into a Hypno- Mickey I mean this is crazy. Do you know the demon. Well never mind. I'm not going to tell you what demons do. Because you know what you're going to have to go over to John and sign up to be a patron to find out and you can do that by going to. Www DOT patriots dot com slash? Scream queens and waiting join up depending on what level you get. This is not the only thing that is not the only thing that's happening the other thing that's happening over there. You can also get the final reel if the final reel is where I go to early. Screenings up big-screen horror movies. And tell you whether I think you should spend your money on it or not. I mean hey you earn money on. Is it worth seeing? Olympics graders wait for video Run screaming find a real going. But it's going to find out plus you're also GONNA get my super secret stash movie recommendations. I might have just ruined your weekend. Amanda said Hey. Don't go see this movie. It's absolute garbage. But you know what am I going to do in my weekend? Don't worry I got you I got you. I got you I got you. I will always give you a recommendation of something else to watch something else that I will probably never ever mentioned ever on this podcast now because he got to be paid on patronage Hedges Privileges. And that's one of them. Let me get early access to stop you. Get extra videos. You know what I'm talking about a movie you'll find out where to find it overrun patriot. And that's it's okay to go over there. Check it out become a pastry on support this show man supporter scream queens love and join the ranks of the super duper screamers. That are over there because those kids are gold. Stars THEY ARE. They are superstars. They are rockstars. They are all kinds of stars. They're not Ringo Star's because that would just be stupid anyway. Www DOT patriots dot com slash? Scream Queens this you know the votes are in the next month movie and it is by a landslide. Ida Lupino the hitchhiker from one thousand. Nine hundred fifty four. I think so. We're going to have a change of pace. I'm looking forward to watching it and by the way if you haven't heard I'm still not feeling great. Still feeling kind of Yogi from what happened last week. I'm still trying to kick the painkillers now. Which isn't fun but on Friday. The twenty first I'm going to have any screening of Judah that's hard to say. Drew druggies bright colors bolt patterns which is one man show. It's hilarious fabulously gave. There's nothing horror about it but I need to laugh at it and you will laugh your ass off because this is funny and if you don't know who drove his he's everywhere. He's one of those fabulous gay comedians and most famous for his khloe seventy youtube videos. Yes so come. Play with me completely be. It'll be fun so we're doing that on Friday. The twenty first at nine. Pm Eastern Standard Time and also again on Sunday the twenty third at three PM Eastern Standard Time and the following week. I'm going to be screening. The Fitch hiker can all sit down and watch the hitchhiker together. And that'll probably on Sunday at three as well so anyway until the next time my beautiful beautiful screamers continue to make the world a creepy place in never ever forget. That scream queens. Golden Rule fighter flight survived the night. Make it to the final reel and Dan Lewis Music tonight. Show at let's otherwise classified has been written by Sam Hades. You can find all of his music at. Www dot band camp dot com it's aero.

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Diane Williams: The Collected Stories of Diane Williams

Bookworm

30:10 min | 2 years ago

Diane Williams: The Collected Stories of Diane Williams

"KCRW sponsors include Netflix, presenting the original film, Roma now nominated for ten Academy Awards, including best picture. Best director Alphonse, oh, Cuaron and best original screenplay Roma. Now playing in theaters everywhere. Funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan foundation. From KCRW in KCRW dot com. I'm Michael, silver, blah, and this is folklore. Today. I'm. Thrilled to be talking to Diane Williams, who's brighter that I've wanted to talk to on bookworm for a very long time. And the only reason really I haven't spoken to her before is that all of my interviews have been done face to face. And I'm now in New York where Diane Williams lives, but this is the best occasion. Because. Magically collected stories of Diane Williams has been published by the SoHo press it's just under eight hundred pages of short fictions. Most of them are only pager to Vong and they've been a pager too long for as long as I can remember whether ever longer fictions. Well, yes, yes. There's there's some novellas. There's that. I'm very proud of in this book, and I've been trying to creep further ahead with four pagers five pagers six pagers seven pagers in the deep dark past. Maybe they didn't exist. The end Williams right stories whose language is. So original and song indescribable. It's like as you read. You're bumping your nose against some sort of showroom window to another world. This big fabulous collection is built up out of how many collections I think. It's. Eight. And if you read it the way, I do I sat down and read whether I'd read the stories Sephora or not I read the straight through. And I wasn't sure I'd be able to speak in anything resembling, ordinary English. One of my favorite of her books was and is a later book called Vicky swanky is a beauty. I'm just going to open to that collection here and ask you to read what you find on the page. You open. Diane Williams reading a very short story from Vicky swanky is a beauty. I'm happy at least to do without a sexual relation, and I have this fabulous reputation. And how did I get that? In the first place. I'm proud enough of this reputation and stands to reason that there's a lot that secret that I don't tell anyone I want this to end at the flab or although I am flabbergasted. I opened the cupboard where the treats are stored in help myself and made a big mess by the lake shore of the food of the rest of my life. Eventually Michelle the doctors nurse showed me a photograph of her cats. The smart cat opens the cupboard Michelle says were the treats are stored and she can help herself. And she makes a big mess. I crossed the street to survey the. Lake and I heard the crept. Nations. Three little girls bouncing their ball. I used to see them in perspective, my children young people one clearly unsuitable. She can't help herself. She makes a big mess with my inside and my skill. What do I search for at the shore? The repose of the lake, but sadly, although it does have a dreamy. Look, it is so prone to covering familiar ground. Let's hear another one. Okay. If told correctly it will center on me. Jack Lam sat me on the bed. Didn't sit me. I had to park the car then Jack limb sat briefly himself put his chin down frowned. I acted as if I was biting the top of his head setting my teeth on not into him. Not to mention the fact that I was also swallowing darker areas over the next seven years that I kept this project close to mind, I came to understand that my devices belonged to a lost age I took measures Jack head lost his vigor. I was unwell. My luggage was packed. I'd be solitary when I arrived in Terry tone. Stella are pari and still ahead the Curio shop Nikos had gone back to Greece. I like Jimmy here. I have to face Marlene. I heard the dog next door making a good imitation of what my asthma attacks on like, everyone is sounding like me. Don't forget me. Diane Williams reading. The first two pieces from her collection. I guess it was two collections ago. But this book has new stories to it was called Vicky swanky beauty. It was published in two thousand twelve the magnificent epigraph says perfectly safe go ahead. And progress from Diane Williams. This is from the collected stories of Diane Williams published Mercifully miraculously by so ho- press when you began they were calling these things minute fictions flash fictions. Did you ever call them anything now? No. I hate that. I do too. I call them pieces. That's good. That's okay. That's fine. I don't think that they should be called even stories disagree. Tell me why very much passionately because I love stories. So I want these to be stories. Whether you think there's toys are not are you go. I'm very willing to actually be instructed because from now on I will call them stories. Thank you. I mean who came up with the definition of a story. Can you give it to me? But I can tell you that when I say pieces, I'm thinking often of the background of musical pieces. And I think of your pieces when I don't call them stories as being very musical. Oh, that's okay. I thought you meant pieces like broken nor strewn about no not at all pieces as in pieces by Suchy. Oh, okay. I'll go for that. Totally. I go to and I've been reading them. Yours for so wrong and listening to tea for so long different fingers on different pianos. And I can hear the difference between those fingers, and I think I can hear the difference between your stories from collection two collection. Because I think that there is development. I'm happy to hear it. Oh, absolutely. I like things. That are irresolvable. I like questions can't be answered. But which are nevertheless fascinating this questions. I like stories like yours that make me start to think a certain thing. Like in the second piece, you read that someone is going back to the old hometown. And I'm going to have to face Marlene and some and then it stops. You know, Gonggar think that you think the next thing it's very wonderful. The first thing remains as part of the story. But it's like an event in his story. It leads to the next thing. I like very much, and I this is a flapper guest thing to me. Yeah. Because I have to tell you. I can't think of a comparison. That's good news. I hope. Because most things are easily comparable to other things. But I can't think where my guest I end Williams learned her manner. Are there any places that you think of? Oh, dear. I I don't I don't think the best one to answer the question because it's I've said before it's pretty messy up where these stories come from. So I mean, the sorts of books that I go to the comfort myself, if we're talking about authors who've inspired me their works are very unlike mine, so I like to look at an recently. I mean, I have different stacks at my elbow. But Sherwood Anderson or Iris Murdoch or Anita Brookner or IB singer. That's not like my work. No. And Diane Williams in her inexplicable -bility thrilled me because I feel that when I've laid in bed reading your stories, and I get out of bed. I get up an out into a different world. And I'm very happy, especially now to have a different world that I can get. Yes. I not mean. Well, that's very high compliment, and I'm very very very happy to hear it. I have to say, thank you. Edits and has for how many years is it now when he? Well, here's. Perhaps one of the only literary magazines. I read from the first page to the last and not only that. Over the years. I've had writers who I've discovered. In your pages on my show. And for that reason this Christine Scott would he Davis? I had on before I read her injure pages. But if you like me are a big reader of goody Davis. You'll always find the newest thing Davis is doing noon, not the things that are being published now that she's famous the things that she's doing in which she still takes risks. There is a philosophy. Professor who wrote a book about working in a jewelry Clancy? Martin. He's been on my show to graze. I'd read him in noon fries, far as I'm concerned. There's no lousy middle of the road, taste and noon. Now, having snow it's. And I've even spoken to riders who like you. I've said where do you come from? And they'll say, oh, well, I worked at noon with Diane Williams, and we'd all sit in the room and read the stories together and discuss them, and I learned to read from being in that room. And of course, I'm fascinated because you know, I would want to be in that room. You know, I would want to go and see where you're invited. Really? Sure. Oh, my how often does it happen while we meet usually on Fridays. So you'd have to be in town on a Friday and let me know or would I honestly would because you see. There is. God about writing that. I do know he yes. And then there's a lot about writing that. I don't know. And haven't even thought of and I find noon a God of that kind of fighting were I don't even begin to know how to think about it. And it's my great pleasure to be letting you know about a collection of one of the most interesting and original writers, and she's been interesting in visual ever. It's it's all of our discredit that. We don't already know you, and they in Williams is the editor is well of one of my three favorite good, array magazines. It's called noon. It comes out once a year. I love just cooking at the word noon because when you turn it up. Side down. It says noon, and that's what I think of the N Williams stories, you can turn them upside down, and they'll still speak to you. They'll speak to you in a very peculiar manner. They won't resolve this no reason why noon is called newness there. Christine scott. If you ask her, we'll tell you. She says it's you can see. No, and no and there won't be. We don't do businesses usuals. But I thought actually I heard her say that recently. But when we first began, noon, we were calling it book. And it had these two wonderful os in the center. And then a pair of young men came. To us beseeching us, please please don't call yourselves book because we're starting glossy magazine that's going to be on every street corner. And we're calling ours book. So would you please season desist? And I really don't understand why we see Ston desist. But it was a good idea to to cease and desist. And to come up with noon and Christine told me that it was Emily Dickinson's favorite word, and that the double o was symbol for Infinity. So Christine was with me at the start of noon, and I still count on her as a very important consulting editor, and and she is the source of this very important and significant word, I Michael silver blood. You're listening to bookworm from the studios at Carnegie Hall talking with Diane Williams about the collected stories of Diane Williams will continue after the short break. KCRW sponsors include Netflix, presenting the original film, Roma now nominated for ten Academy Awards, including best picture and best director Alphonso Koran Roma is nominated by the writers guild for best original screenplay and by the directors guild for best director Alphonse oh Koran. Vanity Fair calls Roma. The best film of the year. Alphonso Korans masterpiece breathtaking and life-giving Roma is now playing in theaters everywhere. Donald trump. I voted for Hillary Clinton. I was not able to vote because I am not a US citizen. Six Americans have recorded their lives since Trump took office two years ago here how their stories have changed the one word that I'm feeling about politics would be hopeful. Our government is a dumpster fire. I don't paint come going to be interested at all anymore, and he politics get this special audio documentary at KCRW dot com slash two years. I'm Michael silver plant this bookworm. And I'm talking with Diane Williams about the collected stories of Diane Williams, surprising narratives and rare feelings over three hundred new and previously published short fictions now. Tell me. What does it take how much revision variously speaking goes into one of your stories? It's a lot of revision. Yes, I'm struggling very much right now this morning. I was struggling yesterday struggling so three or four pages that I've been working on any any one of these sentences might have been rearranged. Uncountable times. And every time I think I've got it. Right. And then, of course, I rearranged the words, but then the words aren't the right words, and then there, and then the whole the whole of it is leaving me absolutely nowhere. But I have this sense that if I if I could only capture. My that prayer believe believe please believe certainly may have done this once or twice before in a way that that you thought brought you to a significant they knew Mon catch do it again, but months passed so yes, it's it's very difficult work. And and there's a lot of of. It's painful, it's very painful, and I'm sure you know, that from any artist you might speak with could you read another story. Okay. Let's see how about there's always a hesitation before turning in a Finnish job. Beneath his coat when I first met him. His shirt had seemed to broken out into an inflammation into a lavish plaid or a strong of checkered pattern. There was a stretch of time when my future materialized on account of Dan, we fried things on the stove top and made coffee formally. I'd been disabled and chilled the usual story. So then the hamburgers had become fun. Dan was doing the job of keeping us together. And he was creating a little garden at the back of the house and the garden was extending onto the beach and the garden didn't have any grass to speak of. But we had this vision of growing things there. There was a daisy we were trying to grow. There was another flower that looked like an artichoke. But it was not only to be a garden of landscape plantings. It was supposed to be equal to our worth. One day when we were out in the garden a dog that had been chasing rabbit came up to us dance at a low, and we kept that dog. It was a tan dog. It was a mix of the best available species. And the dog was trembling. He had that look in his eyes. He had the heart to do any work that was necessary. But we had nothing for him to do. And I was struck by how the dog was featuring so prominently, for instance, we might think to go someplace, but with the dog like it. The dog had his leisure hours, and Dan, and I had been together longer than I expected, and I was all tired out because we had indulged ourselves and every desire, although occasionally, we still had a lustrous sunny day with lots of time in it more than usual. These days when we tie up the dog in the yard. We can barely been to weed the weeds and the dead flowers. Clumps are like the stacks are used dishes with the dribs of Jolyon bite, Merck bread Croat's that are hardly ever put away. So how much more describing is necessary to assess if we're done expecting something even more fortunate to turn up. I was stepping into a corridor. It was empty except for Dan, he moved back awkwardly, but then his face road toward me like a steel magnet and it landed on my face with a bump. He hasn't enormous head and pale pigmented skin. I ran into him again later, and then there was a long long time without my seeing another human being and after the last year's Rover we were dead. Talk about an end. I'm at a certain point. I do notice. That there is. Certain amount of commentary on the story in its title. Or within the story earlier you read. If told correctly, it will center on me now lot of fiction is first person fiction. But here one is very rarely told that if it's being told correctly it will center on the right? It's a wonderful notion because that is true. Isn't it? That if told correctly, the writer will come to the fore if told correctly, it will center on me, even in the story as carefully pushed apart from the brighter as some of those in winds Fergal Hieaux, they are sure would Anderson you can't escape that. No. And one of the reasons that I like them. So was that I remained for such a long time uncertain. Whether I was getting them at all, and that was entirely a pleasure to me. Well, that's good because that's untiringly pleasure to me because I want to reread them and be carried further or think a ha- I understand it now or I'm almost understand it. It's kind of. State of dizziness where you're sort of teetering from not knowing to knowing that I think this this particular sort of experience has accompanied. Great moments in my life. I've been talking with Diane Williams, author of the collected stories of Diane Williams published by so ho- press. Thank you for joining me. Thank you very much. Michael you can visit KCRW dot com slash bookworm. For a podcast of today's show. Also available at apple Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts, and you can listen on demand with KCRW smartphone, apps extra special, thanks to New York's contributor, Alan Felsen, Thole normal special. Thanks to my assistant and co producer. Sean Sullivan, Allen Howard is associate producer the technical director is less should for trick in New York. And Mario Diaz in Los Angeles. I'm Michael silver blunt. Join me again next time on the. We are. Funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan foundation. This program is produced in the studios of KCRW. Santa Monica, you can access archives of all bookworm programs and podcasts the most recent ones. I'd KCRW dot com slash book for the bookworm themes were composed and performed by Ron and Russell male of sparks. I'm Michael silver. Blue join me again next time on bookworm. When Mary rueful is our guest KCRW sponsors include Netflix, presenting the original film, Roma now nominated for ten Academy Awards, including best picture best director, Al Charron and best original screenplay Roma. Now playing in theaters everywhere this podcast was made by public radio station. KCRW our status has a nonprofit enables us to make bold and unusual programs. But we need your support to keep it that way donate or become a member at KCRW dot com slash join. And thanks.

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Episode 02 - H.P. Lovecraft's Haunter in the Dark Part 1

Curious Matter Anthology

33:31 min | 1 year ago

Episode 02 - H.P. Lovecraft's Haunter in the Dark Part 1

"Welcome to episode two of the curious manner anthology. I'm Jonathan Pepsi your host. If this is your first time listening to the podcast, let me just say you've come to the right place. In the last episode, we followed Robert Blake on his first ill fated journey into the unknown. But for this young aspiring writer, his greatest adventure is yet to come in hunter in the dark hunter was originally published in the December nineteen thirty six issue of Weird Tales. It is considered one of Howard Phillips lovecraft seminal works and due to his untimely death in nineteen thirty seven it is also his last HP lovecraft is arguably Rhode Island's most famous author he was born and spent most. Of his life in Providence, the state capital but more than that providence in the surrounding New England area are part of the very fabric that makes his story's special like champagne from the stars hunter in the dark takes place in providence for anyone who hasn't been to the quaint New England city it features a giant White State House that is the perfect stand in for the US Capitol with its granite sidewalks, antique streetlamps and broke architecture it feels like stepping out of a time machine. To the East is the Idyllic College Hill featuring narrow tiered streets packed shoulder to shoulder with Georgian style houses of Red Gray and white brick. It is also the home to Brown University and the Rhode Island School of design, and it embodies the most charming aspects of what it means to be a pre revolution colonial town to the West sits federal. Hill. Now famous I Italian food and connections to the Mafia Patriarca crime family it. was once home to many of the city's newly arrived, Irish and later Italian immigrants, the tenements and blue collar businesses of Federal Hill existence stark contrast to its illustrious eastern neighbour and stand as a monument to the tenacity of generations old and new that come to these shores looking for better lives, and it's these two neighborhoods that set the stage upon which Robert Blake our main characters fates play out in glorious pageant of supernatural. Horror. I decided to start the podcast with shambaugh from the stars and Hunter in the dark because these stories hold a special place in my heart. I spent my high school years in Rhode Island and the same streets that inspired lovecraft where the setting for the most formative years of my life. It was during this time I I read hunter in the dark and it transformed my experience of the city. After, reading his works every street, every alley seemed to come alive in the image of lovecraft stark imaginings. As I hope they will do for you. So without further delay it's time to grab your popcorn turn out the lights get comfy and enjoy hunter in the dark part one. If I would hazard a guess I'd say electrical discharge. See here. Look look at the the victims hair has turned completely white. In that expression of shock. Electrocution I don't see any outlets you know these old Georgians are mostly guest. Lightning may be. Pretty good nor'easter game through last night. College Hill took a few strikes as I hear. Through, a closed window nature has been known to perform the occasional freakish anomaly and that's one theory. What do you make these ropes tied to the post? No sign up bruise on his hands and wrists whatever their purpose they played no part in whatever killed this man. Cover Him William. At Wide Grimace has given me the willies. Is APEC Peculiar Death Mask almost looks as though he died upright. If such a thing were possible. Madam. Do you mind if I ask you a questions. Of course officer. Though I'm not sure who help I'll be. Found him in this. State when he didn't answer his. Expression. Says though it looked into the face something. How long as he been? Born with you owe. More than a year. Now, at least a very quiet and restrained young man a writer and painter I believe. He didn't share much with me of his history. He said, he rented here because the House reminded him of a friend. And he liked this Chamber Saf Anita. Monnet of roof and had windows that gave him. In his words, a crow perch from which to observe the city. It is a nice view. These works as paintings. Yes. I believe so. Strange aren't, they. I suppose. So I never really look I, never want to impose. Mother worldly landscapes, shadows, ghosts, and Goblins. Curious subjects. Fitting the inhabitants Arkham Salem when you say. Not a fast city of Providence. I really don't like to impose. Did He have any? Peculiarities. Drink. The pipe anything like that. No nothing like that. He was a very respectable young man. Though. Go on well. It's really not my business it may help investigation. In the last few weeks, he seemed to prefer more solitary existence. He took most of his meals here in his room and rarely went out. I believe he suffered from night terrors. Yeah Bad Dreams. Sometimes as I was finishing my Night routine you see my room is just below. Well I would hear things what kinds of things moans or whales. I guess you'd call them. Though he'd rolled out of the bed onto the floor. And Only sometimes mind you I could swear heard him crying. Explains the ropes. Between what you said? He sounds like quite a disturbed young man. No I assure you. He was quite nice. You he was an awesome I, don't see a typewriter I believe he preferred journals green most gin was what he often carried with them. There is a black leather folio. Walks all. Just, gibberish scribbles again, make out a thing. Founded here WEDGE BETWEEN THE DESK IN THE WALL Looks as though he was writing when he died. Pens in the pages so very very sad. Indeed. There isn't anything else. I'd like to retire. It's been most upsetting morning. Yes. Of course. One thing. You mind giving me his full name again for the record. Yes. Robert. Harrison. Blake. The Journal of Robert Blake December first nineteen thirty four it's been three months since my return to providence I cannot profess enough how restored if coming has been to my spirit's. So low I sunk in after the events of last year that there was a time when I entertained that the only respite from reoccurring nightmares might be found at the end of a loaded pistol but from the misery sprung idea. Instead of running from the horror of that fateful night. I should retread my steps perhaps, there was more to be gleaned from the city and its neighbouring regions famous folklore more than death flame. Perhaps inspiration might spring from the Ash, and so it has these months have been the most productive of life. I've taken the upper floor rooms of a venerable dwelling in Grassy court off College Street near the Brown University campus a little oasis of George in antiquity. And I placed my desk in my study beneath the west facing windows commanded a splendid view of the city below. The lower towns outspread ruse and the mystical sunsets that flames behind them was fuel like I'd never know. On the far horizon, some two miles away rose the spectral hump of Federal Hill Bristling with huddled roofs who's remote outlines wavered mysteriously taking fantastic forms the smoke of the city swirled up and enmeshed them. It was like some foreign ethereal world which might vanish at any moment just outside my window the tonic this city provided me has borne fruit in the creation of five published stories and countless canvases displaying my imaginings. In searching for my next Muse, I, have of late become completely entranced by shape on the western horizon. So, much so that I laid down quite as some money at a Curio shop on Thayer street just so that I might have a closer look at my doctorate pray the target of my fascination was the massive structure of a huge darkened church. It seemed to rest on especially high ground and at sunset the great tower in tapering steeple loomed Blackley against the flaming sky peculiarly grim austere. It appeared to be built of stone stained and weathered with the smoke and storms of centuries. It is a truly magnificent structure, but even the view afforded to be by my costly purchase does not do the marvel justice. I simply have to see it in person. Thought, it would be easier to find. Feel like I've been climbing these weathered streets forever. Perhaps one of these fine people can point towards my destination. Nam Excuse. Me Ma'am. I'm in need of directions will happen to know a church large gothic architecture a tower steeple. Dark. Grey. Stone. Clean. You. Guess. I'm only us. Seems to me should be north of here somewhere closer to the crest. Maybe, just a few more blocks this way. Yes I. Think I can see the spire peeking through those rooftops over there. Climate knees odd surroundings the more I get the feeling like the is the painting happen moving. It's clear from these unfriendly stairs. My presence here is less than welcome. There appears to be a grocer's on the corner. I could use a moment's respite. Prime Health is parched. Perhaps the proprietor will be more open to conversation the other residents I've met. Hello. Groceries are account service. I'd love a drink. You've got the coffee milk. And creams what have you? OUGHTA. Coffee. Milk. Police. In one of these sandwiches. So. You Court. All right. Here, you go. Let me know if I can offer you anything else. Could. used. Eruptions. Do you know large Stone Church old with a tower and steeple. It's up here somewhere dark on blackstone. Don't know any church that. Are you sure. It's quite an impressive piece of architecture. There is nothing like that here. Really I'm sure anyone who'd seen it would remember I mean it's so do not notice Churchill looking for I think you should finish your meal s oh. Okay. Thank you. I swear that man had fear in his eyes when I mentioned the church. In that curious hand gesture made. Crossed fingers laid upon his forehead. Could it be award of some kind? At last the end of my quest. Finding it feels all the more triumphant after the day's exertions here the church finally stands in front of me and I am in awe. Vacant as I suspected never having seen lights admitting from it. It is in a state of magnificient decay, a grim titan watching over this cobblestoned square. Some of the buttresses collapsed into the tangled overgrowth of the churchyard. The windows are all intact. That's curious Those are usually the first to be targeted by the habits of young boys. Now come to think of it. I wonder why the square is. So empty of traffic, this sort of place is usually a flurry of local commerce. Locked. Here. Comes someone. A priest. Father. Padre. Yes my son I was wondering I'm visiting from the other side of the city and I'm a great admirers of of local architecture. It's my first time visiting Federal Hill I was wondering What could you tell me about this abandoned church? It was a holy place. In, the longer does leave it there. MAILI empty till time sees fit to bring it low. Crumble in fourth dust. What happened here please father. The curious nature of this church called me all the way across the city and I've spent the entire day in search of this place only to be gawked at an dismissed by local residents here. I mean to find answers. It will help return home in delve. No further. I will tell you what I know. The church has been. As you see it since a long before I received my calling to the faith. But the order members of the congregation still remembered the blight in horror took place here. was want the prize of the Anglican Diocese Amoral in stone a house with grace. They made it a house of the devil in now sec they called up awful things from some unknown golf of night. Disappearances in rumors of human sacrifices. Children stolen in the dead of night the trauma with that time. His left scars on the people here that means never fee. A father of order gave his life the banish the things they called forth from the dog mattis what happened to the sect where they go. Away like rats scary. With sinking ship. Someday this city will step in and take the property back for lack of there's little goodwill come anybody touching. Better be left alone for the years toppled less things bestirred they ought to rest forever in their black abyss. Be My way hopefully, whatever you learn may put the rest. Any further curiosity miss cursed place. I hope you're enjoying the podcast. With, committed to bringing you amazing experiences in the worlds of science fiction fantasy and supernatural horror help curious matter keep going by subscribing on the podcast platform of your choice and rating us with five stars today it really does make all the difference. This podcast is produced in my basement and received a California and each episode can take as much as one hundred hours to produce. We can't do it without your help. So if you can please consider supporting us on Patriot at Patriotair, dot com slash curious matter and get some cool perks in the bargain. Thank you for spending your time with us. Now the conclusion of hundred and the dark part one. From the Journal of Robert Blake December third nineteen thirty four. I wandered around the outside of the church for a while after my conversation with the priest, a father zillow of the nearby Church of the Holy Spirit. His words rumbled around in my conscious mind as I made several orbits of the raised Palisade Wall that ringed the imposing edifice. The holy man hoped that I might return home in trade for his providing a rare glimpse into the churches dark. History. But his candor only fanned the flames of my interest. The priests tales were likely only the product of local rumor and the scary appearance of the structure. But even so they were like strange coming to life of one of my own stories, a looking glass and a white rabbit tailored to the odd flavor of my own imagination. How could I resist terrible lore of this black fain now? In the fading light of the winter afternoon the wall before me presented itself like some mysterious Christmas present waiting to be torn open. I noticed on a previous laugh that one of the poster and Gates had worked on its hinges and with effort might be forced open. I had come this far. It was time to see what laid within. Now come on. there. Are Still, little. More, dammit. Hot Dog. Like another world The Yard is completely overgrown. These. brambles vines are so thick. I can hardly move. Debt something caught my foot. Broken. Headstone. Backup. Torn Pant leg frosty. Okay Nothing is ever easy. Right, then. Shall we go left or right. So quiet here. On there are no. Birds. Chirping. I can't make out any circling the spire above. There you are. Someone left this seller window ajar when they abandoned this place. The sill and frame are completely rotted from decades of rain and snow. I'll just slip in here. Here we go. God. That's smell mel. Something definitely died in here. This must have been the boiler room. coal-burning from the looks of it. COBWEBS mobile. At? Darkness. I should secure an easy evacuation route. The last thing I want to do is be stuck in here if this proves to be the state of the entire church. Crates not sturdy. Enough? An Oak barrel. Short fine if See I'm moving. Over Blow the window. There it is. This will be all. I need to make a hasty exit should the need arise? Now let us ascend and see if there are better environs above. Half choked with dust and covered in ghostly fibers I reached out and began to climb the Warren Stone steps which rose into the darkness. I had no light but groped carefully. After a sharp turn, I felt a closed door before me and a little fumbling revealed its ancient latch. Well. Hello. Hello, the colossal was magnificent with its drifts and mountains of dust over row and row of box pews the alter the raised our glass pulpit. Titanic ropes of cobwebs stretched among the pointed arches of the gallery and entwined the clustered gothic columns. This glorious desolation was made even more striking by the light of the declining afternoon streaking through the stained glass illuminating beams of dust. Anybody home. I couldn't help myself. The paintings in the stained glass were hard to make out. They were so covered with soot and grime. Seems though that the sect hadn't deemed to replace the boring saints and Angels of the original tenants. Except for one. The largest of the articulately designed windows above the altar in the chance all its design holy unlike the others it's spiraling negative space and luminescent curves at him. Not Equality that drew you win. Polling you into its center exclusive. Look at that cross. This is no mere crucifix. It's like something out of ancient Egypt and all Cora Crooks and Saad. There's a door here mytalk. Must have been the vestry. Attendants definitely left in a hurry. All the books are still on the shelves. What have we here? Mildew and the damp have destroyed whatever these might have contained. The. Damage is so extreme. I can't even make out the titles. They just collapse into Mush. Just as I thought, the drawers provided protection from the elements. What's this a leather bound folio It's in surprisingly good condition more symbol. I know a few of these hell chemical I believe. Like those used in astrology and other dubious arts. Perhaps it's a code of some sort I recognize some of these devices, the Sun, the moon, the planets, but there are others who have never seen before. Let's just Tuck you away for later study. Shall We? Standing in that room perfectly preserved untouched. It struck me again how powerful force the local sphere must've been for no one to disturb a sight of such obvious value. The contents of this room alone would have netted a hefty sum in certain antique stores I know and the residents of this part of town seemed the poor sort who could scarce ignore such an obvious opportunity. Having now, thoroughly explored the ground floor I plowed again through the dust to the front vestibule where I spied staircase presumably leading up to the blackened tower. essent was choking experience again, groping in darkness up the one hundred and twenty three stone steps. I expected to find a brass bell chimes in the. Uppermost Chamber. But the room that awaited me was clearly devoted to a vastly different purpose. IN THE CENTER OF THAT DIM Dust Laden Space Rosa curiously angled. Stone. Pillar. Some. Four feet in height. Covered on each side with bizarre crudely incised holy unrecognizable hieroglyphs. What dark rituals were performed here Seven chairs arranged around a haptic Gano. Pillar? Seven colossal murals. Depicting. What are these faces totems? What Arcane purpose our room like this provide? There's something here on the center of the pedestal. Completely buried industrial sir. A box. Delicately. Inlaid. As I opened that curious box something glowed ever so subtly within. The object inside appeared to be black and red streaked KRISTALL. Was it truly glowing or was it a trick of the? Light. As I examined the box closer I noticed that the stone was pierced by seven small gold protrusion 's. As though the container itself for spearing, it's charge to death. I lifted the box to look at it. And the object moved. The ornate protrusion were merely supports to keep the crystal from contacting the sides. Come here you as I gazed into the depths of the stone something over. Took me. My Mind's eye was transported to A. Alien. World. One second I was there in that blackened tower and the next. I was standing at the foot of Titanic Mountains of glass. There were great stone towers and less stars. A civilization of monstrous utterly exotic beings labored and toiled at their works. These entities which though seemingly alive resembled no life form imaginable. High traversed eons in a matter of heartbeats, city screw and collapsed before me. I'm back. What is this thing? Port. Was I actually there or was it some sort of vision recorded stone except psychic photograph? God that place. Those things. As I backed away from that stone, my mind reeling I tripped on something at my feet. But when I hit the ground instead of stone I landed on something soft. Cloth. What is this? It's a coat. A skull. A grinning bleached skull. Smiled at me in the folds of the gray cloth won't get hold of yourself man. I studied myself as best. I could. Feeling my way around in that dark space for a wallet or some way to identify the dead man. A SATCHEL and something inside. Too Dark. The Lancet would go. Hello Hello. I could hear something. The room above. What I soon to be the peak of the steeple. I found my way back to the poster and out onto the side streets of Federal Hill as residents emerged from their own. What have I done God forgive me what have I done? We hope you enjoyed this presentation of haunting the dark part one it was dramatized, produced and edited by your host Jonathan Pazar are in Samba cast includes the voices of Philip Gray, Matthew Hogan Jeremy Pezzo, Maria has a and Catherine Muse the score was provided by epidemic sound dot com additional score by Giuseppe, Verde and featuring Antonio borax legends performed by the Waterloo Cedar Falls Symphony Sound Effects were provided by sound snap dot com hunter in the dark is a work in the public domain and was produced in accordance with US Copyright Law. Curious matter is a production of Pez Inc Copyright Twenty nineteen all rights reserved. If you have a question or feedback about the podcast or you have an idea for a future episode I'd love to hear from you. You can reach me at Jonathon at curious matter podcast dot com or check us out online for more information at www dot curious matter podcasts dot com here on Curious Matt we dedicate each episode to a used bookstore. This one goes out to the store where I purchased my very first copy of HP. lovecraft S- work the seller stories bookshop in Providence Rhode Island. The seller stories bookshop is one part diag- on Alley and one part the bookstore from never ending story. It is the perfect place to get out of the cold and discover your next favorite. Do yourself a favor and look them up online at seller stories, dot com, or better yet if you live nearby gopher visit and buy a book coming up on the next episode of curious matter, we will bring you the epic conclusion to hunter in the dark. So make sure to subscribe today and thank you for listening.

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Preview: UNCLE LEWIS #2   The Poison Pen

ScreamQueenz: Where Horror Gets GAY!

18:05 min | 1 year ago

Preview: UNCLE LEWIS #2 The Poison Pen

"How this program is a proud member of you need voice unified unique voices learn more at you needles doc hello my name's Patrick and I must scream queen I'm a scream queen and celery aargh com once again to my most unusual Curio Shop I am Patrick Walsh thank you for joining me again in my emporium dedicated to the have a patron after you get little sneaky pete taste of sometimes uncle Louis does it's time once again for us together and discuss oncle Lewis yes he left at the shop he left us this month this is the podcast dedicated to Friday the thirteenth series where once a month every month we go through the next episode chronologically through undercover at a secluded cloistered monastery in order to get back accursed quilt pen a pen with which the evil things you write about come a year for Friday the thirteenth come up again on the calendar this last time I don't want to wait anymore so you can't have a month without a thirteen in it every the thirteenth to television series and we are up to season one episode to the poison pen and as always I enjoined anything in it on the surface it was a very good man but sometimes oncle Lewis does dreadful things and we need to discuss what he's done so you're gonna get a sneak peek tasted that right now and the episode that we're talking about is episode two of the series which is called the poison pan in which Ryan and Mickey must go deep true spelling death and disaster doom for those who find themselves inscribed with the ink of the poison pan we had a lot of fun we the unusual and the down ride fabulous now I know why you're here the thirteenth has come again on the calendar which means it's time by my fellow shopkeepers and enthusiasts of the weird unusual be less legend general boys and girls my Murphy and trading again dear painting welcome do committed do come in out of the rain in the coon about Friday the thirteenth series every month we go on the next episode because you know the Friday the thirteenth spectacular come up often enough I mean we waited over a year hey you're doing I was doing great until uncle Louis got up to his tricks again my goodness keeps everyone busy not even stationary is safe. Ebisawa of sometimes uncle Louis does dreadful things which is the first spinoff series of screens podcast brand new podcast where we no no no no no bringing doom and the devil ruins everything it's bitch son of a bitch okay so in the corner you think I'd be dulled knee-deep in that which I am but that does not mean there's not stuff going on over on patient and just the other night I released the crab okay so one of the cursed objects that has been sold is a pin that can make only evil things like a tabloid headline the Oracle of death predicts another disaster predicted an earthquake and some other disaster fire a plane crash so it's been step outside ah stationary would be so mundane so dry and yet here by definition it should be stationary stay on police do nothing but no the thirteenth as far as I know right right might smokey says yes so that's ever celebrating the thirteen th over there on Patriot for minds subscribers and it has been used to murder several months monks only regular people to think just months so I think my volunteer finger on my nose and we can't see what trays doing so you can't see me I can't hide I have nowhere to go all right the monastery but now all of a sudden the focus is going inward it's this monk in seclusion that's got the pen predicting disasters all around and now all of a sudden all the desk with this one and I'm sure you will too but only if your pitch on subscriber you're going to get the first ten minutes so now and hopefully that will tempt you over to find out more and you're gonNA find out how to be Peruvian condor the worst kind of condor like don't be judging birds jags pretending like he's interesting oh he's trying so hard another episode of green the podcast for horrid gets Gabe to night it's not an official episode with the pontiff on right around well he can't compete with the hair but the hair but he gets a fighting chance this episode because we hide the hair yeah wants to give a quick summary what goes on this episode who did it last time. I don't remember I think you asked us both to do it and neither of us were great hello again screamers and welcome well governor yeah did you have a lot of trees to pick up and over songs about their dicks and stuff it'd be terrible bill just a bunch of bros. talking about addicts Orascom Lewis love that said he got a handsome price for it too then been but he quill pen sat in Sumer which means what okay so they make these bogus choices they're like not only are we gonna pass you both off as men but you definitely came from England good it was nice it was dark it was moody it was everything I want it didn't look grabbed over the real world allowed to use electricity though these were some weird don't most monks US quote pens but not that particular pen I picked up one in del Fuego it's made from a tail feather from a giant Chilean condor ooh they do such a bat like I wrote down in my notes that is not how you bind like he's wrapping her in east bandage but she's still got this like tiny little eighties bubis the actually say before they stay the drivers using this whoever is using this pen is causing quite a sensation because now he like amish monks like things were odd things differently well. I'm sorry I'm sorry do not understand the comings and goings of the Turner and yet we have but anyway it's enough to catch the attention of our of our friends down curious goods because Mickey Ryan's going on over the article will feel like I'm sure you do all right Oh my goodness no pin is using quill pen closer and closer to home and that's because the budget was low so you just feel more once said it was a great set I got to say I love the monastery set the set was no no he's already predicted fire their plane crash and decimate people nobody can predict future can you predict that the addicted the death of the Abbot of the order that he's in and when Jack looks at the newspaper because I recognize that Ben wrote down like a black and white photo and he's like I know that those cheekbones giveaway hey don't put on your own shit is I do I look terrible no no you don't cutest boy. I've ever seen first litter box and very elaborate o fully illuminated but then also like they close the book right after they finished writing like no you have to let the it predicted another death did you this article at that the smoke he claims to be able to predict the people's deaths that's ridiculous for people leaving the ground yeah yeah yeah yeah but it was effective though it was effective and it wasn't just writing down he was doing calligraphy with the he wants her what enjoyed this we open at the monastery and they're having this meeting discussing selling the monastery and the Abbas say absolutely not no way we're not Berg forty six to ninety five so to one Rupert Cell I plucked burden myself Oh yeah yeah it's it was for reasons no one tries to do an accident there supposed to be from Yorkshire which granted is a difficult accent but pass for a man not a hot second and brotherhood they don't allow women so I just have a hard time learning I guess I'm sorry the Eternal Brotherhood sounds like a group like a musical group Brotherhood oh I should take compliance I and the calligraphy just happens yeah yeah well that's just a handwriting trait which is gonNa come up again later but also I want to bring up we're talking about the meeting the very beginning with the Abbott the other monks they say oh we'll surely it's not what our founder would've wanted they gesture to this painting of a monk taking something away from a native American and they never come back serhiy you've obviously never done this before we'll clearly you've never written with a curse pen before you don't need it doesn't have to try for them side search undeterminate but the person that they gestured to is distinctly a Cappuccino buck how does Catholic boy no this how Cappuccino mummies had that distinctive haircut that's like a ring oh around their head by the way that's why Cappuccino is called that because it looks like a little Cappuccino the title I learned that trick from you by the way hiding the nose oh yeah yeah yeah yeah talking to my parents it was like an order to subway sandwich tame so tired of brown rice hungry because if he used among if you do the foam correct it sticks to the Cup I'll see you bastard educational episode things I learned in Rome their bank you thank you I went to a Franciscan college and they are all about love peace pet the animals here's all the information process it all make your own decisions man Sir Oh yeah and doing this like Total Asmir version of times he will take Freeman I'm like that's not you're not helping the hood on she looks like Tilda swinton times he'll just went into times which is not a big Joe the cheekbones yes she feed scary whispers rather common has always how mirror find and as he watches real happy happy at last got his granted me the thing I want and then they got to this they do hide the hair because surprising choice surprising choices for the second episode that right away they're going deep undercover Mickey Airline have to go undercover at the monastery and low much like brother Cop Alonzo's first solo flight was tragically cut short your visit with Mayan Tradein uncle Louis and in this for the money we don't need the money with the monks for doing God's work here we're not selling period end of story next scene see somebody scribbling with the poison pen like a laboratory side of the bell tower dot com slash scream queens and find out how you can become a super screamer supporter of the show you get exclusive benefits all kinds of get find out what's going on has also come to an abrupt flattening and but if you like what you heard and you want to hear more head over to www dot patriots us a platform and I'm just like why is there in Indian in the painting do you want to that seems like a choice well this is my thing like you said this is an order undetermined too all my super secret stash of my super-secret favorite movies things let's say let's say movies coming out of 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Halloween party system awesome costumes I WANNA know you'll pick up the phone pick up the phone to do and they say the monasteries middle of the city so he's sending the carrier pigeon somewhere else locally in this city has a pigeon coop maybe very excited I gotta start focusing most of back over there of this show 'cause man at this point I'm always terrified the Pinta get orders from subs and it would be like no mustard devils they were just like homer simpson it'd be an actual sub Maria take none of them have that and yet they're handling animals like their Franciscan but they're clearly knocked US I've dealt with patron saint of Vegetarians I went to see see this bill this had this this episode had a high and hitting on your cousin and then I started making tick marks every time he did it again he aw way but we get to the self-flagellation later there's a sub he starts flying he starts flying he starts levitating in the air and he's got his arms out he's got this look at his face like and considered becoming a patron while you're at it Ooh so it's pretty much just got taken down off of youtube except for maybe two or three so the best thing for you to do is to use the link that's in the show notes right now because scream goods is also an Amazon in call nine one seven seven two zero two zero four seven or write means semi pictures at at at Crewe screaming dot com and it's always it's queens when and never ever ever forget this queen's golden rule fight or flight survive the nine make it to the final real baby nick at www dot band camp dot com pitch let's epidemic of homelessness among our teenagers it's not okay and it's not called but you're cool you're call and won't be taking voicemails during the podcast music for tonight's show unless otherwise classified has been written by Sam Hades you can find all of his guests and don't forget go check out page at www dot patriots dot com and hey if you like what is this Friday the thirteenth series business all about well all the even though like everything's in place everything's ready to go I just got a record in chosen out shows for every episode every day and then then then everything's done on the show hey and you can find me on facebook too you can go to scream queens were hard gets gay do a little search on that. 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DAMN YOU, UNCLE LEWIS! - "A Cup of Time"

ScreamQueenz: Where Horror Gets GAY!

1:26:16 hr | 1 year ago

DAMN YOU, UNCLE LEWIS! - "A Cup of Time"

"This program is a proud member of unique voice unified unique places learn more to you. Needles pods dot net. Hello My name's Patrick and I'm a scream queen. I'm a scream queen and celery Hello again headline screamers in happy New Year or should I say happy new queer because welcome welcome. Welcome to another episode of a uh-huh Queens. The podcast we're horror gets gay. This is the first episode of a new decade. The first with episode of Two Thousand Twenty and it is episode two hundred eighty four and two nights. You are getting a peek behind the Patriarch curtain getting a full episode of Dan Lewis this which is our exclusive Friday the thirteenth series retrospective featuring me my murphy and trading in this episode. We're talking about episode four of that show which is is a cup of time which is where rockstar uses a teacup to murder homeless people off which is why we didn't cover this one in December right because it would've been. We're doing that to the pot of on anyway. I'm ahead of myself. I'm ahead of myself so I'm just going to take a moment to breathe. I'm so excited to be talking to you and I'm also a little bit anxious going into that as well because first of all please allow me to introduce myself. My Name is Patrick Walsh and every month twice a month. I'm your Guy Guide to the weird and wonderful world of horror movies. But there's a caveat year and a half to see them through my very very again little is shut up. You'RE GONNA love it and if you don't get the fuck out no just kidding. Just sit down. Stick everything's cool something else I haven't done in a while. smoot G was he added. That was going on with that cat now. The reason that I am anxious to be sitting down to record this is because Miss Mucci has decided that every time I sit down at my to do anything she loses her goddamn mind you know. She's got that issue that issue. The feline hyper seizure. Sure that makes her self harm. Yeah she decided that this is the time she's going to do it like she just starts yelling and screaming. Every time I sit down to. She just hates when I sit there and the computer and there's only so much work work I can do on my phone. May I can do lots of things for the podcast on my phone. But not actually record or do any of the podcasts east of it needs to be done so I sat down several times. A record stuff. I've sat down several times to write down the show notes and every time this thing has turned into a screaming yelling mess and there's blood everywhere and it's bad and so I stopped and you know I just have found a window now. I gave her her meds so she's now sleeping in the other room but still anxiously peaking my head towards the door every thirty seconds to make sure she's not gonna come in and start massacring yourself but that's how it is with Wis Moti the cat right now. She doesn't want me to talk to you anymore. She wants me to pay all the attention to her but no no no no no. That's not the way things roll around here. Ms Thing you have to share my attention attention. Okay don't tell that all right okay. What has been going on since last talked to be honest? Not a whole hell of a lot you know how in previous years the pot on like when it ended on Halloween that for all of November. I was exhausted and couldn't do anything I've been there. I've been there I'm exhausted. I'm depressed I just don't want to do anything but I do have to say thank you again to everybody who donate it because we have now raised. I five thousand two hundred and fifty dollars for new alternatives who in turn are using that to assist. LGBT homeless teenagers in the New York City area and again not thank all of you and Bravo Bravo. Technically the donation lines are still open. There's a few corporate people that I'm going after that I still want to do but I'm not doing things I just can't do. It was just six months of that was enough. I can't focus on any ballymore have to let it go let it go. We'd are good. Let it go patrick. Fifty two hundred fifty dollars. That's an immense amount of money. That's more than we've ever raised before in the least amount of episodes and so I am rethinking how we're going to be doing the next year but again that's for another time and another place packed. Let it go let it go. Stop Singing Disney. Are you going to get sued since this episode is focusing on a perk doc. That you get when you join picture and become a patron and support the show in that way. I wanted to say thank you because of the generous people who have joined page John I have been able to finance this entirely. New soundsystem brand new microphone brand. New Cloud lifter the new edition soundproofing moving from my recording area. Yeah funky new screen. That that's portable. I can take it wherever I need. And I think it's really cool and I figured affects the sound. It sounds cool. Also my subscription options to squad cast and captivate. FM My new podcast. Does I will not be able to afford anything this without the folks that Patriot. So thank you guys guys and gals very much. I cannot thank you and like I said this episode that you're GonNa get right now is a perk. That normally would get through John. You're getting the whole episode this time and if if you're interested in joining you head over to www dot patriots dot com slash. Scream Queens. All the information is over there and all the different tiers you can join. There's all different levels. You pay what you want on. Just get the perks that you need and help out the show in that kind of a way now. The other thing that I've been doing during this downtime tackling some of the software that has been the bane of my existence. It's you know I've had to learn all this new software to get the show up to date. You know making current make it technically viable against other podcasts. Yes we're in a CD me. Because I can't do certain things like first of all. Hey remember all the problems that have had the newsletter those and you can sign up for the newsletter and getting any. Because I haven't been able to find a program that I I like that. I understand what I got what I think. I've got one so if you've signed up for the newsletter. Keep an eye out for that in the next day or two because we want advertising this show of course but in the newsletter. There's going to be some polls because coming up we've got a few exciting months. We've got things like women in horror month and we've got an march is going to be the Irish month and July July to lie April rather is going to be religious hard month and one of those films. There's is two films of month of course as we always do. One of those films have already picked the other one. I'm leaving t you so if you sign up for the newsletter or patient and you're going to be getting pole. What movie we do you want me to pick for each of those months? Yeah you're gonNA affect the outcome in the show but you're only going to be able to do that through the newsletter or do patient and that's exciting for me so keep an eye out after that I think the new newsletter looks great. I'm very happy with it and I'm very excited. A mother stuff have been learning is redoing the website. Yeah so if you go to website you'll see that it's kind of like a half done. That's because I'm learning how to Redo it. It's taking a long time but I'm doing it aunt so check that out it just pay. It's a long process because I'm dumb. I everything takes ten times longer because I don't know technology stuff well at all but it's happening it's happening slow and it's happening sure and I needed his downtime to get ahead head of it and I'm at a place where I'm at least comfortable to get the show out to you again. Yes a website looks funky but it's still functional and everything's there everything's cool and I'm happy I'm a happy happy. I am the other thing. Is that podcast. Also an actor and I've let that go for a really long time and when it happens I start to feel lopsided so I've started at Disney for stuff again. I'm taking a couple classes. I'm taking an ongoing acting class like a jungle gym kind of thing. We just go in and work your instrument for a bit stop it stop it. It's not a dirty thing. It's just the thing the thing you've gotta work the tools they get. Rusty animals are taking directing class. So I'm keeping busy A.. And that's all well and exciting and none of you really care. You're just like get to the show all right. Why don't we do that then so everybody sit back? Relax and enjoy this beyond the patriarch. John Paywall as I bring you the newly retitled Dan Lewis the Friday the thirteenth retrospective featuring my Murphy Trading and myself as we talk about episode. Four that's a cup of time. Oh Palo come in. Come in come in do come in and out of the terrible weather. Oh welcome. Welcome to my very curious. Curio shop how do I hate to inform. Only the shop is closed for tonight because as well to rally special evening Sir monthly meeting of sorts. So unless you're here for the meeting I'm going to have to ask you to leave the nature of the meeting. You ask well let me put it to you this way. Sometimes uncle Louis does Jordan. Full things welcome back everybody. Welcome back to my very curious cure shop. I am Patrick. Walsh and I'll be your host today for another episode of sometimes. Uncle Louis does dreadful things a Friday the thirteenth this series retrospective uh exclusively prefer Patriot. Although we're going public this week because we feel in crazy here yes joining me as always on my two favorite shopkeepers up keepers. Maya Murphy Eighty Happy New Year. You guys happy New Year Year. What a better way to kick it off? Woodson cursed crap favorite cup of tea or is it like an aggressive strangling cup of tea. Hey Hey whatever it is you know. She's not getting anything. Good no no. She's not even getting Tetley or Lipton stuff. She sold from a Chinese restaurant or sound awful. Anyway why are we talking about okay. So episode for Friday the Thirteenth Series is called a cup of time. And if you're going to spill the thi this would be the time to do it. Oh I try try to make it relevant. I failed okay. It's it's hard it's hard. None of us have gossip so spill the chiefs are to work in there. Maybe I don't know I don't have this up. Neither liar trae gossip for for the pot. I guess I have hours and hours of unused audio footage where you're going off on some. Yeah that's pretty much. Even that for a rainy any day no none of that will ever see the light of day not even for Patriots. You gotta pay more for that stuff okay so before we go any further. Why would you I said tell me what is going on what? What's the what's the curse what's going on? What's what is the evil doer? There is a cursed teacup and it has these as little vines believes on them and when you pour liquid into the teacup and then feed it to someone at takes their living essence like the dark crystal and then it transfers. I them to the person who poured the liquid in the cup. The rules are a little fuzzy. There strangles him in about five seconds. Vines off the teacup up and they strangle the person install since after they drink the liquid mess watching these strangling scenes A So tragic eighties. I know stop motion if there was some stop motion and the stopping motion wasn't awful. Like it looked okay versus all the episodes. We've we've had these actors trying to fight off totally stationary objects to the term of the episode. It took put me back to. If you've ever seen that footage from Bela Lugosi and his later days and he's working on whatever they forgot to steal the plan nine the one where they they forgot to steal the motor for the. We're supposed to be killing him so he's actually having wrap fatigue. Poor man is a desk doors high on heroin and has to do this shit. Oh God you poor people. Oh God it looked like me getting stuck in the flower section and Michael Finest. This episode was chock-full. Bullshit of my swampers Ivy. That's the thing it's totally a thing. It's an goals. Just in case I cooled when they say swampers Jack recognized. Actually it said an but it it got to the book. I don't remember what the book is called the pen and ink drawing of the list of who sold it to who bought yeah. I was in Boston with swampers. Ivanidze own swampers Ivy. I thought that was all whatever I haven't heard of venues. They say plant. Let me see. It was indigenous to Ireland. Thirteen fourteen th century. It was an evil plan or at least they thought it was the burned it all. Why do they call swampers? I think well if you had it you could use it to trade for whatever you wanted. Well I don't see what swampers. Ib could possibly have to do with uncle. Uncle Louis is an antiques. What I like? How they find ivy leave? He looks at the book. A book with maybe seven hundred pages in it and within three seconds consume. Oh there it is heavy I mean but what else does he do but look at this book again. Have a life well well. He's developing a protein shake invite humanity. Well why do experience with something that we already have. I don't know normally. He's dealing dealing with crafty stuff or we're dealing with spells dealing with magic. What are you doing? I couldn't tell what he thought he was doing in earnest. And how much he was lying Birdie You're doing it in your business. Answer breaking every health code violation. Does he live there on site. Yes I lived there on site but I think one wants to watch when he when he named the store right he just want watch the mice. Fuck that's all it was. I was GonNa live with you guys for ever. That's Yorkers Hey WanNa hear by accents Oh oh no the accent is episode. dumbs down from Maya. Nobody no exits. He didn't have access because when we did the getting ahead of myself when we get to his wig he well our accent vacation. I suppose but whatever we'd nitpicking were nick. That's what we do here. That's what I do. Why because we can cause because it's fun because we love the show do we? 'cause I'm really it's beautiful super screamers. I just want to let you know because I'd never actually get the message out that no you didn't get an episode of uncle. Louis sometimes does dreadful things last month because two reasons one because there was an actual Friday the thirteenth in December. So you got on the regular show up Friday the thirteenth spectacular in how. I'm doing a fucking pot of on. How much more do you automate and second? This particular episode didn't let me go with the theme. The fundraisers the little insensitive perhaps a very special episode like they give you something if you wanna find out more about how you can help the home with nothing now Di peopling no. They chose not totally did the homeless guy. But we're ahead of ourselves she percent she did. But we're going to. We're going to circle back around to that. So the guest star this episode are villains. Your is a rock singer named lady he died. And that's die within a lady lady di little on the nose perhaps or this whole episode is totally on the nose totally knows everything that happens but I can't think of it I don't I haven't done summer. Hillary Hillary Harry's lack knows but actually have a career good for her. I saw her two different movie. I recognized her She did like a Canadian version of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers but then roundabout brought about deep space. Nine I'm watching deep space nine right now. I'll have to find her down. Apparently he was a regular or at least featured or something. It wasn't a name. This hard earned her because she was in a movie with Johnny. Depp does like a sex comedy and she had to show her tits and they were nice to Johnny Depp. Oh God yeah okay. It was in the eighties. And it's Johnny. Depp was interesting. Well actually no. It was so the guy from northern exposure. Johnny Depp was the best friend and she was like some sort of new age guru. who had like Johnny Depp? Who is this ask? Who is this guy? But yes so lady Di Actually is not the you rock singer that she appears to be she is actually a seventy year. Old Woman named Sarah Possibly Fats era but a seventy year L. to according to the pitcher. They had had very dark hair because they showed a picture of Sarah. She did not look seventy one. It's probably an older picture and to some some older people keep their hair color or not inconsistent. Apparently the record cover that they show of lady Di. Hi caused a big uproar at the time because it was and they got sued because it was clearly these swing out sister album. Sir that much doodling. Oh well our eyeliner like this just puts them are put some reading in her hair and there she goes. She's lady di now she's totally different. Okay listen I normally a one hit wonder but come on now I I would never sing a version of a little teapot aiming so they had enough money to have one song written for the episode and then it was like fuck we have to come up with another song royalties. They hit you. They hit to. I wouldn't be started because it was clear that she was actually singing. Yes he was actually choice singing. It was the same person I was impressed. Also and did you see the video that I sent you. Watch some of it. And she's not even the star of the video. She's the drummer of the band. Yeah she did. Apparently that band was put together for movie. That never happened. So Josie and the pussycats but never that it never happened. The American Girls Shot in Canada. She's Canadian show so she is in a band. Called American Girls Canada's America though every Canadian movie especially in the eighties they wanted to make sure. Did you thought it was happening in America. Like there's always American flags six six one. That's so strange. His music video has like airplanes and flags and stuff like that so odd aside from being the most eightieths thing that ever ever happened to me as I said. The leg warmers threw up on it as a special effects. Just watching watching. This is the only disease I can think of. As and that's not funny and to topical. Yes Oh lady. Di Has Gotten Herself Young Jong. But it's of course since it's a curse it's only temporary so she has to keep topping off and she's chosen. The homeless is easy targets. Because let's face it they are what is another reason. I'm glad I didn't cover this in December because of what happened at Christmas by if you don't know one of the new attorney clients was murdered right up the block idea gab on Christmas Day brutal as I didn't get donations for like ten days. I was like fuck all you. The people she got guilt. You've got killed in a hotel. Appear like a chance not really Kanta Shelton that you have to pay to get into and I'm like fifty bucks for night. Their Team Bucks Wani gave her fifteen bucks. You would have been a better absolutely but yeah we've every reason to be and it's also a clue of who my guest star for this episode is GonNa be. I'm sorry listeners. I'm all over the place today because as I saw the first half of this very long play on Broadway at it just tore me apart and I've been it took me all back to the eighties back the AIDS crisis. It's just not calm. Is the big gearshift changing. But that's saw how we showed it but can we talk about lady. Di's evening morning routine. She goes out to poison these homeless people in a giant Cape to hyder giant eighties. Hair a horse them. T- out of a Martini Shaker. Again again these things that you have to do to get the curse to work really a big pain in the ASS got here carrying on a thermos thermos have Bahati once you with. Tonight's you like like gently wakes them up like no on when when she offers it to them but like episode of this old which is saying it looks like a bad bad. It's bad nobody says that you know what they say. Nothing like a hot drink Koyo the that is true. That he's actually biologically Jew but nobody says well. It's just a simple principle. hydration you see they. They were consistent with the weather. The first killer I kill she goes Jessica Hot Cup of tea. Take the edge of the sticky hot sticky the next so chilly tonight. What's the weather? Maybe you're just a little humid in your giant next Mickey shows up the foreleg sweater and like the season. I don't know what's happening. Don't know what's happening costume note right now since you weren't here last time I doubt got you. Listen I was. I went off costumes last. Oh terrible who are bad much. I didn't have any complaints this time for the most part but the except for the fact that there are an awful lot of I wanted to see more of Mickey in her chauffeur's outfit with big hair the little bitty Jackie. That's what I want to say that the reason that she had lady Di had aware that big hood when she was off killing people that you know rubber was like listen. I'm the redhead of this show. I'm the big with the lady who had hair like fire. Mickey's like fucking Shit. Bis Red streak in your hair Now I've got the biggest here in this town. If she would've set an all her pronunciation is all over the place this episode where the fuck is Robey from the microphone. I don't know why did that. I'm GonNa Shrek so hard you can hear me I. I saw a comedy shrug. Aw She's a woman of what's happened to her fiance. Have we just forgotten about fiancee at this point. I mean he was a douchebag egg but yes yes we have forgotten about him. He was no incest. This episode this He the way he talked about her in the okay in writing for out so it was a little I was also thinking. What would that mean you were GonNa be wearing a short skirt Ryan? Well the whole bit was i. I WANNA drive. I WANNA drive. I WANNA I wanNA drive burs going. Why are we doing this? They're wrestling for Tom. Hope that guy who is about to kill someone because they're gonNA argue about this and they actually go home and have a costume gauged looking because when they show up in the park. She's not wearing that outfit now. He's not not wearing that suit that he wore with what we're talking about. We are all over the place. Okay the first kill that teenage girl. I was shocked what I went to the looked. Everybody everybody in this episode like it seems to be an everybody in every episode the whole cast is just got credits. Yeah the girl from Mrs Doubtfire. We'll look it up. Yeah Yeah so was shocked. When I saw that this was the only credit? 'cause she looks like about ten other actresses. I'm like that's gotta be somebody blonde girl the beginning of the episode. Yeah there's a there's a show on now called good girls. She looks just like the girl and good girls. I thought I got a scoop. No shoot nobody take all right. So there's the first kill and then we go to the recording studio. We see lead. I actually singing and recording studios roby gonNA say no of course not because we can't have a recording the dressing room. Yeah Yeah but the dressing room with a pinball machine in it which I'm sure is really good. Next those microphones with sound system. Because that was not an insulated. I do not know. This song actually wasn't bad. No it was it was it was it was you. You know she's belting for life. It's great. Yeah she I also love the seventy year. Old Woman somehow learn how to sing. Yeah okay okay. So so I've got also serves been doing this year now. So she's built up the Lady Day Persona so she's obviously been killing people for a while but she always seems so shocked to find out that she's she's getting old what looks like. Oh No. Oh no of wrinkle. Speaking out the time limit yet I if it's a set time with Doug does depend on how old the person or like is the youth of the victim proportionate to figure it out but much like much like much much like my favorite character from cruise into terror that we covered with the game loads of darkness who spent the whole movie everytime she's always looking in the mirror touching her dick hotels. So you know she's an frustrating missing cannot get out of the she subject yourself in the mirror. It was so overdone. Could've been like all right. I get audience to characters vein if we don't tell held them they're not gonNA figure it out. No no no because every conversation jazz about being all except one this one that I loved right at the beginning when she's singing that song and it's kind of hard diesel. It's a decent rocky sentence. She's got a good rock boys and all of a sudden this shittiest keyboard starts and it's like fucking chip tuned comes in on our track. Yeah she's like what the Hell is that he says is Joe Gilady. We all loved it. I hate it so w teddy. No more surprises. You just blew my whole focal. Hey don't you dig it. It's a new patch. Joe Joe laid down like Joe. Joe Is so fired today down. Everyone loves it. Come across like a big monkey. A talk a little chimpanzee banging on the keys and she throws a fit yes she does right but she's right it's absolutely Karachi. They did ruin this ruins a song. She has all the way after her dressing room or manager comes in and he some bad suit car dealer and she's like like not doing a benefit for the homeless. Oh yeah because he's like why the homeless tone like isn't there a sexy or 'cause we're going to be working dwarf neck grading my nerves get paid because you're doing a fundraiser. And she's like I'm the star doing what I want but acacus fundraisers gonna tip or over into the big time. Well she's already in the big time this kicking off her North American tour but a lot of publicity yea oh she's in humanitarian and also we'll bring her a whole whole lot of people who pick off. No Yeah. I wish she inviting the homeless to the benefit of us is going to tour with me across North America. The a basket in the bus homeless GONNA show for you family terrible. The Partridge family. Only little will only a little bit routier and keep getting smaller guest's Tracy nobody cares. Nobody cares Tracy Tracy but so okay are we at the point yet. Where Mickey and Ryan I introduced man? I don't remember this gets any better. But she always this much no phone. She's always complaining. Yeah no she. She's always been a complainer. They've been in writing her like that for a while. I know that but I'm not how young women complain as much and I'm wondering if it got better is to show in which I don't remember member her bitch and this much when I think of the show in that off voice at least this bitching last show she was whining to recruit for an episode. Yeah because they because clearly. It's the first six episodes and they haven't figured out yet I don't think about. I'm wondering why we're close yet. She doesn't have a ropy hair yet. When that kicks in that's when she becomes getting Gypsy liked to go with the hair and like all right? Look forward to. I'm excited. The sounds great. But we got a Birdie we kind of talked about Birdie so we go back to our subplot and we have a message. I can remember Mariah Carey the WHO we've never seen before we'll never see again. So birdy comes in. And she's like on such a lovely lady. What are you doing? Uncle Jackie's leg make the protein shake for rats. Hold on hold on. I'm a lonely old lady and I'm thirsty old Birdie. No now for the day. She's Dash Ashley literally the line. Is the old bag is here and I wrote Aphrodisiac. Volunteer thirsty here. Oh that's right because one of the side effects of the protein shake was that it was an aphrodisiac so she's like all interiors. A test. Subject protein stimulation seems to be having a Mild Rhode Aphrodisiac effect. If you need a guinea pig I'll be glad to try some or having it. No no he's so mean to her. 'cause he's so gently Leonard Down but he's still. He's still morning uncle. Louis whatever was she's she basically you want to go by is just zooms out of the room. He does not want any of Birdie. No I'm going to watch these rats buck rather the dog. There's there's the tea right good job for the first show up there'd becomes like an after school special. The homeless were they just go on like a thirty second locally but no one cares about the homeless and must be horrible. Someone died nobody here except for Birdie uh-huh so but so they they talk about how the homeless are dying identified the body of the teenage girl Who got killed in the beginning? Because she's a social worker. It was another murder in the park. Young runaway couldn't have been much younger than you. Poor sweet thing. One of your cases I had to identify the body. It was awful. You'd think you've seen it all by age but it still gets to me. No family family friends Magin dying and the only one who knows you was some social worker. What happened to no one knows the? The police won't say a thing. It's all very strange. She was strangled by a rope or something. The worst is she's not the I remember. been other stranglings. Yes that's right. Didn't you have a case earlier this year. An Elderly Woman Sarah No. She wasn't strangled. She just disappeared appeared. But I suppose endings possible at this point and then birdies like it'd be really great if you could advocate for my homeless clients and try to find out what's going on. This is the fifth one and the fifth strangling the park of Curio shop people to ask to look into the curio shop because she's thirsty Rubbing interested as an added bonus. She just wants to talk with Jack yes she does special alone. The homeless at all she just wants wants Jack. Robien cousin just waltz into autopsy very easily. Why are they doing this now? 'cause there's no hit the supernatural. They don't think of supernatural. They just now normal. crimefighters they have outfits. They don't have excuses or paperwork they just walk walk into an autopsy happening. Like it's like that sure. I bet you nothing wall. Try to end the autopsy continues like they're not they're they're not. They're revealing revealing details about the murder that you would not reveal generally talk. No he immediately is just shit. TACO lieutenant. Fish behind is not having high. Fuck this show. I don't know what's going on your some of those people who care Powell laid me like Oh my God roby's dialogue in. This scene is so horrendously playing that but she leads. It's off with we. Were just wondering why so. Many people are being murdered in our neighborhood. Why are there so many people being murdered in our neighborhood? Ah Because you. Your neighborhood has a possessed antique shop because we hate you because we keep trying to get you and we miss. I'm sorry we'll work on it yet. Deflected by the hair. We don't know what's going on every question out of her mouth. It's it's supposed to come off carrying it just comes up. I'm stupid and condescending. At the same time which is mixed off well while wearing in her white blazer draped gently across her shoulders being very indignant her bare shoulders. Because this is the sleeveless episode. Oh Oh she must've taken the blazer off. Well yeah she always had that I'm sleeveless turtlenecks. Hang on and yeah yeah. We went back to that. Look which at this time. She had a brown thank. You thank you yes she kind of. I was wondering about these issues. I don't know about what women wearing bras versus. Who Don't there's a lot of engineering going on there? We can discuss their favorite exchanges. Were there talking. Went Birdie and Robie are talking about the dead teenage of terrible the poor girl murdered in the park. Let's not not much younger than you now. Now now that that that girl was fourteen and roby is nowhere near fourteen roby headline. Put a Birdie. Each is Jack and you need to get our checks on. Poor Poor Lady doesn't get our though pitching getaway for Christmas. Nineteen Ninety two. So you don't have to wait might be cursed. Medicare's occurs Gaidar uh-huh. She only sees a straight people but I think my hands down favorite episode was when they go and look at the register is gonNA call it what they go to see. Who brought the cup? It was sold to fatty arbuckle. Lewis actually wrote down fat Eddie Official Register not confused with skinny Attleboro instead of family name. Fat Sarah What are the different Eddie Baril. So he's like a fair distinguish fun yet. Fat Fatty Cool. No it's my legal name was named Eddy Abaga aggravate. thea parents really hated me and they knew I wouldn't listen. They kept feeding him a lot to make sure he would live up to his name. So we get defend. He's apartment and it. Looks like the gluttony apart. Oh wait I'm I'm sorry. Sorry sorry department. But here's another thing. We're doing an episode about the homeless. Okay we get too fat at his building. And its derelict. ANAEROBIC AEROBIC GOES on there. What we gotta go in there? This is where he lives and she goes no one in their right mind would live their right because it's much better we sleeping in the park like everybody else. Misses episode roby. Just doesn't get it so going don't again. She has an attack Murphy bed and the rest of his apartment. Looks like the gluttony apartment from seven. Yes like they've left out Out Food with a knife in it like in case you didn't get this guy was fat. dialer nude and a random sprig Brigham Ivory Ivy hanging from the ceiling. For what is supposed to be. I guess the Ivy version of a jump scare. Yeah when roby walks into it at. It's like a very brightly. Lit Derelict Department and is like nothing as you walk. How can you ask spider? Ever you go check. Did they ever tell how the cut got from fat back. Eddie to lady di she killed work now for because they find fat Eddie skeleton walled up in the Murphy bed which conveniently falls out when roby walks take it has everything to us on the show all traps trigger what you walked by. I realized that skeleton had no clothes which meant that Eddie was drinking tea naked with his sister. uh-huh that's the way it is in the Burrell family. What does the price it gives Ryan chance to correct that one letter get Cohen knee war? I dropped online museums. God Ryan's equipped equipped stir thinks he's equipped. Stern thinks lots of things fair enough. But so I wrote down that during the sound. Check for lady Di yes. She's in full makeup and costume eyeliner through the microphone profound irks. Okay so the sticks. How will you know she's a Rockstar? If they haven't dressed arrest her like a rockstar would look like on stage and the eighties very true. We're we're very stupid. People would be added from context like especially expected confused because sometimes when she gets old and the makeup just looks like she's dirty. Yes like why she brown now. She's Brown no lines. Nothing Brown's multiple phases of aging for hers obvious. They didn't really have a budget for that or a plan because they just goes from dirt too that the white witch look. Oh yeah the giant white wish. Look wow that was an extreme. And that's not seventy. I don't know what that is Emma. The curse cursed aging. It's different than regular aging. Look like the movie curtains the Hag face like the HAG mask with the big white hair Sheila great when she fell out dead great. That was just was good and the other ones. The ones from props are good ones for makeup. Not so much makeup. Didn't know they did not. Your makeup is terrible as Alaska would say so. Let's see what what happened. I didn't know that right down the transition I just wrote down. Is that the little girl from his doubtfire cinnamon checking IMDB on my phone. While I'm watching it and it was. It was a a little girl. Missed out fire. She kept working until about the year. Two thousand language stopping adorable probably got the heroin addiction like they all did not but anyway she's I did not know coming away and she's useless. My favorite thing is when the when the COP gives her a cinnamon bun from the soundcheck and he's like feeling all go out and realized that she still has wild like you go you go to the homeless. They'll rob you. What's the message? Little kids are pickpockets. You saw Oliver although I do details the second time now that we've seen Robie get physically accosted by little girls. I'm hoping that isn't it. Get the girl tells are about the woman with the hair like fire. I think you should come with a girl knocked down. And so she comes across lady Di Killing someone like if you leave a poughkeepsie. My bracelet will you leave. I'll give that will clearly identify. Almost I have no morals give me the bracelet. Because he doesn't hawkish okay she just wears it. It makes you feel special. She does nonetheless. I should be able to solve all the way the show is going. Okay when you're that young you need less greg proportionally. She was so little on what. What is the recommended? Daily allowance of graft versus part of a balanced breakfast initiative in Canada cracking this donut hole innocent until still but my favorite line is so day. Kills a one Guy Park in the next day. Of course Birdie shows up with Mickey and Ryan and she looks his body and she goes. He's not one of mine. Thank God right like someone was murdered. Read like yeah okay. He's dead sad but not one of my home was so it worked for the next twelve hours. Good for you. Birdie Birdie is all over the place. She's spry she's spraying. I actually like this actress a lot. She was fun on. She was good she was I loved what she showed up and address. The maitre look like just came from an audition for Chicago playing. Roxie Hart Mike Go in Regional Theatre Roxie. Hart Absolutely Quincy Try to ask Jack Out to lunch. He you can't go to lunch with the woman and the things you may have curtains. Will they established Norwegian project. Not to like her other than he's like. Don't don't Oklahoman Oklahoman. They don't give any reason at all. She's a likeable character is all she comes on Abrasive Jack. Of course with my rodents rodents and dribbling joke and I just thought myself thank you. You're welcome America know this patriots or well. I did by calling attention to it. I still made the joke. See how okay. Oh well it just makes me look like I have a conscious. uh-huh I can take lessons in that and she's standing there with a pretty little dress which is a bad it's horrible but not bad for the on a sliding scale. It's fine socialist. The way too young. It's cute but he storms off abetting her again at Mickey turn pistole shy. That's all these gave that's all they're all just shine age but then again so fucking clueless. I'm sure they would would know anyway. Never Mind we're not there okay. So yeah we got. We got another scene Zenith Lady Dyke killing people. And then we're in the car with Birdie we're talking about the most recent murder and we hear lady dicing. I'm a little teapot. The jewelry beautifully. Sorry I guess because you're older of media death smiling at all nothing. It's just the era. She'd be laughing at this song right now with an old nursery rhyme choose. Whatever favorites ran out of money for music and she's screaming? I'm a little teapot trying to sell it as this eighties rock anthem and we saw the crowd that was waiting to make re lady Di what he was doing that interview. They're not going to be jamming out. I'm a little teapot. No matter how electric guitars zip up on it. Never also if you're killing people with a teacup do you WanNa make your main song about the weapon. That a little on the nose lady. Di Yeah I just stupid Israeli can figure it out you might be giving them too many think Ah O.. Rien figured it out like really fucking love bar. Yeah and then the little girl gets the Tepe she lives in. I forget what happened. was she steals a mid our lady is going to kill somebody Oh and then. They had exchanged the bracelet and then when the kid left ladies I realize that little bit. Pick my purse because homeless kids steal things. Tear Your House Dolan. We get the little girl singing. I'm playing with the cup and we're like oh no is she going to drink she di- what's happening happening. Exactly yeah roles and stop again our get a little confused. I didn't think it was just a random seen of her doing the song pouring into the picking the cup and skipping she's played drinking from it so because she's homeless doesn't have water and she actually because Teddy Bear because because she sleeps she curls the cup up next to her yeah. We're rather snuggle with roby's creepy bunny rabbit well terrifying owner get to sleep with my bunny rabbit. I pronounce things weird because I'm Robbie the same way twice ever have her and then the story where everything they have so many coincidences that they see. Need that the bracelet of the girl realize it's Sarah's brace making birdie recognized. That's that's my friend. Sarah Bracelet. My friend Sarah who disappeared because when she mentioned that her friend Sarah disappeared. is a woman that you oh. was she murdered. No she just vanished opener. Okay well then. Why are you talking about her? The shows up and get clients. She's important okay. So she's a chick I'll Sarah few talk about an act. One she will come in and don't he's younger brother. We haven't tied this together God. Did anyone read his grip. God wait wait. What's Fed? He's lasting Burrell surnames. Sarah Burrell Yeah Not Sarah Rela. I already thought that. She's she's got a great career Broadway now for a hundred and two year old woman. She looks good to your thank she's upgraded. She looked really good and she's a superstar last year. And you're the cups magic. Never cracks with everyone in throwing it around it. Stolen Multiple Times people keep it hid in the backpack. Pack so Birdie here's and talking about the cup and how it makes people young so then she starts skulking around also right they tried to do the whole fake got where we get this a first person cameras sneaking into the shop to steal the cup and we're supposed to think oh it's lady di she's coming back for revenge and it's getting a hair into to bucket nylon stocking never never it would have to be like should we. Should we had to buy the biggest pair Panos with like maybe maybe some hair clips in a wig cap and we'll work from there. So birdie takes it out into the park to meet the Nice young man steal it because they get the cup back. They have the kid in the house. They're like oh we're gonNA take the kid. I'M GONNA give it potato chips tuna casserole. Because he hasn't suffered offered enough cursed object that kills people delays on the desk. You have all downstairs you put it in a vault. You left it in the middle of the desk. Where over on it now you got so so birdie like going going? I can't believe that the earth was just not overrun by Satan. In the eighties of these people were in charge. Because we're the best Bernie steals a cup up with the pantyhose of her face. She flags done a taxi with a pantyhose of her then she gets him in the penguins of things and then she just pulls it up at the taxi driver apparently is used. This stuff wasn't homeless hub. Tired we're giving rise of homeless people. God everybody in this house almost all. She was a pretty good thief apart. I I did. I liked it because that is often the twist is. That's not often that curse will get someone else wants it more starts calling somebody. Oh I like that. That works because she's obsessed with Jack. Maybe she's younger. Maybe Jack Aliko find that Donald tracks but but we didn't excellent now. That would have been interesting. Okay okay so birdie meets a guy in the park homeless guy in the bar. And he's he's what he back. who or why? Don't you laughed in. Lines of dialogue. He made up for an I fucking old lady the whole damn saying I'm like Oh my God this. What does this sort of thing? Would you like to join me for a nightcap in the middle of the park. He's over to her. She's like no let's be civilized about this. What was added bottle when she was lurking schieber alcohol where lady Di was people t not just give them alcohol? We'll take it. You don't have to explain anything. Okay okay okay. Lady is a struggling artist. She's not made money right. T- can steal from the Chinese these restaurants alcohol money okay. Of course you could use water Bob. Let's get beaten egg. So she set set up to steal the teen. Perhaps she has an attack of conscious decides not to just talks to him and he gives her free therapy. Because he's he doesn't have any choice. Gives a free therapy. It's kind of like it's strongly implied glowing the rest of the episode. Yes she had a good night the next morning. She's like she's like thanks for talking to me last night and I'm like okay. Yeah thanks for talking to me all night and for the kind of language and for almost guy. He wasn't terrible looking. No No oh so. They're all they're ugly now that I was ugly. How the worst homeless guys in that today? But it's supposed to be Bonnie moment but it is Ali sexual and it but but the thing is again that guy should be dead because he did drink from the cup. The vines came came out. Like what are the rules of the COP. I mean the the curse technically needs to be fed up. I gotTa do this now. You can't stop it that normally how these things work but she he just said I have his hands though right when the vines start getting normally how it would work. Yeah it later. Episodes is how these things work. If you don't do it the curse needs you'll you'll get whatever it had one hundred times worse. I guess I'm vicious curse at this point. It's like fry but this point lady Di is going full hack. She is just. She's looking real rough and her hair's exploding and wild l.. Then she's supposed to go on stage for her rock show talking like what's in a brief style. Lebron Tara agents talking. Thank you thank you. I like to talk to you about Blake Dex the owner Dan Bonds. So everyone's looking for the cup and I don't remember this point but you give Ricky Ricky Machine Ryan arrested for trying trying to attack her. Yep Yep right because they have to bury burns or conscious back as she goes to that phone booth and she's just approach. Hello Ryan. I have something that had lied to return to get here with Iraq. Plays with yourself right now. Okay because you just gotta eat now are part bench. Absolutely they added girl Atta girl. You're not getting it from Jack. Kennedy gets the like I said all all the time about. I ain't going to judge you for doing what you need to do to get by our lady. Di gets the cutbacks. Somehow she chased her. We had all. Oh the cost. At this point they were chasing the delays chase each other through the Party and I'm like Oh it was. It should have been a very slow chase scene being but it was it was I was gonNA break break but I really miss things should be dead berries. You'd be dead 'cause you went down. That hill was like doing head over heels like normal. Yeah tumbling know your ankles. Oh ladies now. And then when she's laying on the ground lady DI comes up and hits it with Iraq. Yeah I thought thought I was dead Birdie Sung our last song. But she didn't she left. But then Ricky Mesa Mickey and Ryan Show Up. The cop just comes across them Ryan's dumb ass always picked up the rock and the cops seem holding the rock standing over Birdie and and you dumb ass. Why don't you do that? Because he's what Ryan realized he didn't think it was Iraq. It was a rock lobster Arabic to the lesbian space. Hey uh-huh ah favorite episode ever but we get to my favorite scene in the whole episode also episode. Were uncle Louis to trap. Okay yes away we. We just got universal time out back it because when you get arrested who happens to see. It was skulking in the bushes but Jack Check who's cruising for food correct as well he totally is there. everything is up to him and just so happens rapids. He has an emergency blazer and toupee. Yeah just you know in your pocket why nobody knows who you are. You excuse me. Why are you wearing an outfit? Why are you doing accent? Nobody knows you are doesn't matter but the scene is so wonderful that he's hunched over so you can't see face just just a hair and so you see die come up and like hello. Do you want some tea. Martin Martin me young now. Would you care for a nice couple kids born sure. I'm sorry this doesn't belong to and he's like. Oh yes I think he says something that weird accent weird accent voice and you know what Tim immediately. Oh yes you're not settle. And then he turns around to show him so with you pay a big Aha moment and he whips to pay off like it's a mask stretch. That's what it looks like for any gus terrel chatting away with you. If you made Beta leaky I had a question. I think you answered it. Patrick my first thought was. Where do you get to Wigan Wisey had it but then he was cruising at night so one of the to pay? Hey can pick out of a lineup. That'll help or just you know man. I mean I'm sure like what I'm I'm sure. His pockets are filled up all kinds of any occasion. US prepared foods. jack-of-all-trades the main the Bergman disapproval jack-of-all-trades. That's nickname for me. Okay you like that Trade Jack of trade So so lady died does not kill Jack. She goes running the way getting older. She runs yes and like between takes hits. Okay well now. She looks like kind of a sloppy person now she is crazy frazzled. Electrified in which hair just looks awful. And then we chase her daylights somehow chasing gets just back to her trailer. The gang find your okay. So they'll run on is was like right now and he could tell because you can hear the crowd chanting we want die. We want so subtle we want we want come on righter. One guy's voice. It's sampled like three times. It's an all male all gays. I trauma and it's fine so I guess that Mickey and Ryan and Birdie I'll show up so she got let other hospital and no yeah. Yeah concussion very soft rock hard head but they had no idea is left ran out of time. We don't have any reckless that we already have. Okay we the trailer. Let's go back there. Time for a fight was lead is lying as she comes out and she comes out and it drops dead just drop said she never got her T. so she does die so the gang wasn't really successful making it right. Did they didn't catch her really. They just ran out. The clock. Very antiquated anticlimactic. An all of a sudden we're back at the shop. Quipping one liners and you're not going to address. What does happen at all? Yeah we're not GonNa just the fact that okay. The concert didn't happen. Which means all that money got refunded to the homeless got nothing right well and also burgers shipped off to fucking foster care? There was no talking home. They'll foster care birdie astor she. I was sure though we we did ask the little girl scout tire. Say Yes. So maybe maybe she was going to go live a Birdie and that's why we never saw verdy again. That's not how that works at our. Well this show this episode. Okay this show ricky. Mickey rank got arrested David and then were let go berserk the hospital in one day so anything can happen in this world you voices so annoying. We're letting you out. Yes but also they birdie we slide of the fact that she broke in stole a cup and was getting ready to kill someone with it. Just don't worry about that. Wanted Okay to kill someone who cares. I mean that is the thing with the these cursed optics is well sometimes. It's just really not your fault. You can't help. Yeah I think Birdie was had the agency and they had no problems. You can't who killed people with their own kristen or no vida not vida vita. Yeah I was. I was Kinda hoping that they would show up and Chris and clean the place. It's out booked it but she she was there. She just takes everything all the potato chips. I was really hoping that lady. Eighty DAB get eaten to death by a bunch of mice. plotline goes nowhere. Oh Yeah we have all this science science. Jack makes up where he's like. Oh she'll be about the proteins and hyperactivity and I don't want to brag but I work out and I do have a recovery protein chicken. That's not protein works and and I really love pro team. Maybe we need to do so. That'll hint birdie subtle subtle title very subtle. Let's all sit around and watch these fucking cage and then okay do potato chips and this was one of these random lines that was like what the can't fly the potato chips to get to the kids. The one thing the kid wanted I'm the king at. They'll for her a tuna casserole homers child. Who hasn't been like you Jack? You really don't want to know what the kids not GonNa be Faucet. You don't need to be put down the food that you put in front of this poor kid but the guy the a potato chips meanwhile the cup is being stolen all the chips. I think it was one of your friends charming. That's right where we cut the bread so you have a bread cutting replace very specific. This is the only remember. Yeah I think everybody every tip over my head and I can't see it and it just curious in the store you're all fucked up. Yeah this was weird. Little subplot changes went nowhere but like the overall structure was better and like this better than I like some previous episodes we had a clear villain from the beginning. What she wanted was is obviously saw her pursue that and that's more than we've had previously with the fun of food and you had eighty eighty one and the AC related the last episode my ass off in Hawaii doing great up secretly know? Hey it's fine I deserve it. I had a really good all my I forgot to say Maliki Maka. I did the Hawaiian way to you. Know what Angela Sisters Love. Fine fine I'll sink. Some nursery arrives instead and like other Kevin Kline forever better. I don't know I don't want the Internet to thank you. Don't like the Andrew Sisters didn't oak until aid to deal with it on the office office. Then it was weird. So it's weird. Are you gonNA say the fascists in this robe was subdued a little bit but made up for by lady. Di's yeah I mean that's exactly what you address a pseudo Rockstar rockstar. We're looked like this roby's only a little weird business casual which works for in like jackasses. Emergency to pay like all set. I N Shocker was birdies address and it was a great one. It's written all over it. Yeah it should be bad because in the last episode with this Shitty costumes. Shitty plot whole that whole last episode with Cuban. I just cannot stand in no it was ray garbage. I was very upset by that episode's well unfortunately unfortunately that is a common theme. The common theme staying young forever and getting people to love you that don't her. We'll save birdie actually dodged a bullet because future episodes if you're a love interest in characters you're probably GONNA die so she lucked out. Birdie actually made a band at this time for her. That's why she survived. She got eating out sexy dress. You got a new little morals autre autre maybe May. Maybe it's unclear. I decide that homeless girl is scheduled for next year again. I can decide that and also so when we see. The homeless coaches is cleaned. Up has a nice little dress on. We're address at the walt. Is it from the shop. Is it cursory gonNA see a later. That's why I've been Birdie. She's she's been killed by that. Keller address teaching her shoplifting muscle bitch. Well Birdie knows it now that they're like the paranormal investigator so she's a loose thread. They have to get rid of her already. Knows the evidence of yes she into the article Birdie so the they gave the girl to her. It's like chicken pox blankets from the. It'd be owns. Aw you go enjoy so yeah it was it was the right way back in By over me I don't call us. We'll call you so you'd like to talk about like alternate curses. Yeah obviously I couldn't really come up with anything great for that. But but since the obsession t I give you guys a hint my email last night that my special guest star would be Miss Coco Peru. Hello my cocoa puffs. I'm coca backup Peru. I'm a little stressed out to be honest. You see I like to and I like want on particular called Celestial seasonings tension Tamer. Take you know you get tents and you like to take pills. I used the tension Timoci so I would go to buy it at target. I went there and they didn't have it. I went back to navigate went back the space was no longer there. They get hooked on some and then they just said you know going to sell that anymore like they did with my press on nails and it's a tense time of the year and I need my entertainment. said she loves loves attention. Taber T. I could just see her rummaging through reverse realizing that the cup still looking in the camera going this just saw this. Gabriel you ever get come in your eye game we all well what they could do because the Rockstar as an alternate co spoon for cocaine a coke spoon spoon curse cocaine. You Yeah and then the vines come out and go and your brain in in mind. Yes there we go there for. Nose Vance snowstorm di Grande. Blitzer did not a cup up casting for. Did you probably be young again in thirty minutes. Yeah that's not going to last very China last long at all and she was so shocked when like forty five minutes later. She's getting wrinkles ago. Interest it sometimes occurs starts. Getting the time starts getting shorter. Because it's it's going to kill you. You're it's always gonNA Guilio. Curses are just not reliable. You know back in my day we used to have reliable curses and curses these days. I I don't know that's the the seven dollars when you go to the store to get. That warranty sat awards curse author back. Well if you get the offering curses who knows what you're getting like probably made this and we ain't no regular church curses come from China the made in Canada and Indian curries versus. You Suck. Someone's booting about holiday and then you're in the middle of the sound check up to leave. Hello desert thing. She would just book it and lead like in the middle of an interview. She would leave. Reminded me the Brady Bunch episode. Where Peters two different people goal has got the girl the other room? Yeah and he's like. Oh just a minute. Carolina that related is like in the middle of interviewing love of one question interview radio listeners. About my curse teacup and they'll all take it seriously and put it together. Without Song I covered. I just want to give back to the home of the war. I mean the homeless the warmed that my fans get to all right. Okay yeah get it because this is bragging of the mckeon foundation is cracking okay. It's cracking. Oh Yeah you're latex team's not doing honey the Mickey and Ryan break in and so there's the big scuffle in the room as if she just leaves out the door before they go to bust the break into this interview Jackson. Our I'll pronounce the proper credentials. And apparently the proper credentials were a chauffeur's outfits sexy chauffeur chef for cursed sexy acce- show Jack sexy chauffeur job since for Robey DB the Rockstar or important person as opposed post to Ryan absolutely and that was my first thing I wrote down was will I know roby was a pop star. And we're in recording studio. We're going to showcase their talents word. We're not gonNA do that okay. Hit Her best outfit for the episode. She's got the big here in the tiny little of the hair comes out in this giant like like Majestic Pyramid of hair. They don't show it that much battle. They haven't learned not to do that. Yeah the last episode. They had two tie back Concede straining breaks free. See that's the character that tried to restrain the character and eventually the Robie will break free and just living giving US glory. Eventually you mentioned that sounds fun when when Bill Kid came downstairs at the end and pretty dress and Jack was like. Oh No birdie says Oh. It's like I'm looking at a princess and broke who's actually have account. They actually have a content on that. Come sa well. The thing is also apprentice got lady died but we know how she turned out. Okay can I do little Tanja. Near the end of the day that Lady Diana died I was up trying to watch. SNL formative memory for me. I was like twelve and staying up late to watch TV. I was working at the Long Island Eagle as a bartender expended. Oh at a water park with a friend of mine so we didn't hear the news so I'm working the bar that night at everybody. Nobody is bereft that lady Di has died now. There was a really really trashy person drag queen not perform directly and I just which opened dragon awful and nobody likes his off person who went by Lady Di. I thought that lady died. Yeah I saw you know. I'm making jokes all night at home. I got the car. Go home and turn on the radio. I'm like Oh my God. I'm the worst person walks really terrible you sticker for how awful that that is how she thought it was fine with you damn though that reminds me. Did you watch celebrity big brother UK. No I don't like I can't see there's there's a season that has freaks me out. Well there's a season has David guest. I tiffany Pollard. Who Was New York from the rocky love and it has David Bowie's ex wife and that was David Bowie died and so they pull pull her aside to say? I'm sorry David always dead so she comes out crying and Tiffany goes what's wrong. She Goes David's dead. I'll see I saw that. Yeah Yeah it was. It was like the worst. Three's company episode ever play when David Dead and screaming and the different ex wife Goes Komo God O. That's sad too. She gets mad because she did. She never told her she met David Bowie. At a worse it is hoped that Davis dead told me it's not in the bedroom room. Anyways your story reminded me of that. These mind wasn't broadcast is true preserved forever. Well well now. It is only Patriot on exactly right translated. I did like our movies. She might actually be listening. And might I becoming after me now. Well well she'd actually you're keeping her memory alive so maybe she's half now J. Debt. You never did tip the day in her life never did the Goddamn. Dan always goes problem though. Those people survive despite what we have to throw. I remember what I had to throw out of the bar like seven times. Keep getting in she. Well the back door. Hello Oh okay okay. You need to stop trying to blow people in this. People need to actually the used men's room and everyone's afraid to go in there. You can dig drag Queens new aside. Hello would you like some tea. uh-huh like looking like this lady died from this map is memory like the corners of my mind him. Why thank you Donna? Kids next episodes a good one. Which one is it? I didn't do my homework. Hello Helene Hello. Bean Gene Halloween. Isn't that clip show. No it's the one where they bring back Lewis episode of stuff for clips. I know I guess a later. One on Halloween but they get locked in a Boston. Two Clips Sean. My wow episode. Five minutes a clip. Show this I think the time the lesson that day learning listened. I've seen too many episodes to think you have evolved. You have of a role one use the vote. Perhaps you know it's just want just just lady di he's wandering around she don't the cup she won't come after them. Thirty got much cursing Chinse like that cup was Tackett was how the hell was that cup. Because I don't think that a cup would have been made in the ancient you know in eighteen hundreds at best at best what I thought my my mother. My mother has a whole bunch of stuff still get when she would go to the movies as a kid. It'd be like it's dish night. You go to movies and you get a free dish. Of of course. These gave those famous Shirley temple glasses that are worth like a gazillion dollars. Okay she's got one so sometimes it was great stuff so she hangs onto that kind of stuff so I was thinking the best a knock off one of those like it is some Jesse someone went to the one problem preserving that piece of shit forever like everything else had a history. The Cup I grew up in a suburb with people who've during Artsy fartsy craft stuff. So I definitely remember seeing but not ceramics with the leaf on it like the print of Aleve and I could buy that. Actual leaves on the teacup is on a bridge too. Furry old vampire to Lumpy Cup. 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S8: Treasure Hunt: King Solomons Mines Pt. 1

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S8: Treasure Hunt: King Solomons Mines Pt. 1

"There are multiple clues scattered throughout the Bible as the place where Solomon the richest king of ancient Israel. Mind the gold which gave him his power. Explorers searched in the Middle East Africa and North America. But it has never been found if you enjoy these episodes on King Solomon's mines and want to hear more. Tales of history's greatest. Mysteries subscribe to unexplained mysteries. New Episodes Premiere every Thursday. Listen Freon spotify over ever. You get your podcasts win. The Great King Solomon finally completed his marvelous temple atop a hill in Jerusalem. He led a grand procession from mount off. L. They carried these relates. Greatest treasure the Ark of the covenant inside the gold covered wooden box rested the twins stone tablets that Ten Commandments as Solomon led the arc to its resting place in the temple's. Inner Sanctum. A great cloud suddenly appeared filling corner of the room. Solomon claimed it was a sign of God's approval. He'd hired the best finish in masons carpenters to shape the stones. He covered the floors and walls in the finest Lebanese Cedar and sparing no expense. The mighty king had covered every inch of the temple in the finest beaten gold. The same gold fill Jerusalem's treasury. It was the source of Solomon's wealth and his power and yet despite all that was written about how Solomon spent his gold. There is very little to indicate. Wear the gold actually came from. For thousands of years biblical scholars historians pilgrims and treasure seekers alike. Have obsessed over Solomon's gold mines as a result. The minds have become one of the world's most legendary lost treasures. Welcome to unexplained mysteries a podcast original. I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't know for an answer every Thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life. On earth you can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other park cast originals for free on spotify. But wherever you listen to podcasts to stream unexplained mysteries for free on spotify just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening. It really does help. This is our first episode on King. Solomon's mines according to the Old Testament Solomon was the richest king of ancient Israel. Vague clues are scattered throughout the Bible about the source of gold. That gave him his power. Explorers have searched for the minds in the Middle East Africa even North America. But they've never been found week. We'll explore the biblical story as well as the true history of Solomon's reign his famous temple and his alliances. The ancient world next week. We'll discuss the main theories about the possible. Location of King Solomon's legendary machines in Jewish Christian and Muslim history. King Solomon was the wisest and wealthiest of the ancient kings of Israel. The son of King David and his Queen Bethsheba Solomon focused his rule on strengthening Israel's tenuous alliances and developing building projects in and around Jerusalem. Working from archaeological clues and Biblical Hints Scholars Have Estimated King Solomon's reign as nine seventy nine thirty one. B C E during this period. He formed a lucrative partnership with King Hiram the I of Tyre entered a relationship with a glamorous queen of Sheba and enriched the Israelites king them through the mining and collection of gold as the precious metal flowed into Jerusalem's coffers. So too did power flow into the city. But where did the fortune come from? Ruling Kingdoms often filled their coffers through tribute payments from surrounding areas but based on biblical descriptions ancient Israel was far too small of a kingdom to account for the amount of gold that Solomon reportedly brought into the city. There's also the issue of the source. There are very few gold deposits anywhere in the Middle East and little evidence of any mining operations during the time of Solomon Suspected Rain. This begs the question. How rich was king? Solomon really is it possible. He inflated his purported wealth its early years the Kingdom of Israel was constantly at war. King's like David who ruled from approximately ten ten to nine seventy. Bc focused their efforts on protecting Jerusalem from invaders and securing the alliances between the twelve tribes of Israel. It wasn't until Solomon ascended to the throne in nine seventy BC that Israel's focused turned to increasing its status and prosperity. Though most of the dates in the story are estimates. It would seem that. Solomon took control of the country when he was only fifteen or sixteen years old just four years into his rule at age. Nineteen Solomon began building. The Great Temple to Ya way. An ancient God. That appears in the Hebrew Bible. Solomon also reorganized the kingdom into new districts to centralize power in Jerusalem which his father had made the capital city. He is credited with writing several books of the Bible including proverbs Ecclesiastes and the Song of Solomon he traveled with King Hiram of Tyre too far off lands like tarshish. These trips brought gold silver moore ivory and other luxury goods into Israel in a single year Solomon collected six hundred sixty six talents of gold from various expeditions. That's equal to almost a billion dollars worth of gold today. Above all Salomon was known for his thoughtfulness and wisdom. His status as a wise ruler is perhaps best exemplified in the story of the judgment of Solomon as related in the book of Kings. One day to young mothers came to Solomon at his court. They shared a house and the day before one of their two babies had died in. Its sleep each of the mothers claimed the surviving baby as her own. Solomon after taking some time to ponder the conundrum declared that he would cut the infant in half and each mother would receive their fair share of the boy. One mother readily agreed nodding. She said that if she couldn't have the living child then no one could. The second mother was more upset crying out. She implored King Solomon to give the baby to the other woman. She didn't care who got the boy as long as he was kept safe. Solomon's smiled and motioned for his guard to receive his sword. He he declared that the second woman was obviously. The boy's mother is only the true parent would relinquish her baby to save its life. This story spread throughout Israel as evidence of Solomon's wisdom and according to the biblical and archaeological record his prudence and foresight led to a great age for the Kingdom Solomon Struck alliances that contributed to the economic boom in the Lavar can't in eastern Mediterranean region that contains modern day Cyprus Israel Jordan Palestine Syria and parts of Turkey to secure trade with other kingdoms. He married multiple wives from those regions. His most famous and mythology mythologies trade relationship was with the Queen of Sheba the Queen of Sheba only shows up for a brief moment in the Hebrew Bible but in that short reference she captured the attention of storytellers for generations. Well there are competing theories. The Land of Sheba is thought to have spanned from East Africa across the Red Sea to the Arabian Peninsula. It most likely covered the area of modern day. Eritrea Somalia Ethiopia and Yemen. The Queen Hearing of Solomon's wisdom journey to Israel with offerings of Ivory Frankencense Moore camels monkeys precious gems peacocks and lots of gold. She came to test the supposed wisdom of the king when she arrived. She posed him a series of riddles. There's no record of her puzzles in the written scripture but there are popular folktales describing what the Queen of Sheba asked. Solomon one of these stories inspired a fifteenth century German tapestry according to the inscription woven into the fabric the Queen asked Solomon I to distinguish between a real and fake flower. She presented to him she then asked Solomon to identify the biological sex of two identically dressed children Solomon replied that be will only feed from the real flower. He also said that the child who is kneeling is female as kneeling is indicative of femininity. That last explanation sounds a bit odd today but apparently it made sense to the Queen of Sheba. Satisfied with Solomon's answers. She gave him the huge amount of gold. She had brought across the desert. This brief encounter spurred countless stories and legends about Solomon and the Queen a similar version of the riddle story appears in the Muslim courant. In this interpretation the Queen is inspired by Solomon to convert to Islam and have her entire country. Follow suit nonreligious Arabic folktales link the Queen of Sheba to the Jin a type of intelligent demon spirit other tales painter as a consort of King Solomon if legends are to be believed? The two monarchs had an incredibly close relationship. According to some traditions they even had a child together either way. They continue to act as allies and trade partners. Throughout Solomon's rule further enriching Israel by the end of his reign Solomon had reportedly turned the capital city of Jerusalem into a citadel of white and gold. He'd imported luxuries and built a great palace for himself. The crowning achievement of his new city was the gold covered temple to Jawa on the temple. Mount perhaps his legendary mind's the source of all Israel's opulence and power could be found in the far off Kingdom of Sheba to find the gold one must simply figure out where exactly Sheba was but that's a bit harder than it sounds just like the minds. The ancient country of Sheba has been lost for thousands of years next. We'll follow the hunt for Solomon's wealth in ancient Africa now back to the story during his forty year reign from nine seventy two nine thirty one. B C e King Solomon ushered in a new age of prosperity in Israel. He built a compound of Whitestone and gold atop the hills of the city. This complex was comprised of the Royal Palace on fell the city of David which was the main settlement in Jerusalem and the Fabulous Temple to Ya way on the temple. Mount Solomon was known across the ancient world for his wealth and wisdom. His reputation helped him so alliances like his partnership. With the Phoenician King Hiram of Tyre it also led others to seek him out and established trade like the beautiful brilliant Queen of the Land of Sheba under Solomon's rule. Israel's twelve tribes turned their focus from warfare to prosperity and business and the lifeblood of this new Israel was pure precious. Gold the source of Solomon's gold was the source of his power but today the location of precious minds has been lost to the figurative and possibly literal sands of time. One legend ties Solomon's wealth to his relationship with the Queen of Sheba while they're meeting is only given a few brief lines. In the Hebrew Bible other religious interpretations give more weight to the rendezvous. As we mentioned present day Ethiopia was likely included in Ancient Sheba. According to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church Solomon's introduction to the Queen is one of the most important events in Ethiopia's history the Kabir nagase translated as the glory of the Kings is an essential text to Ethiopian Christians. The existing manuscript was published sometime in the thirteen hundreds and was written in ease the ancient language of the region according to the taxed the Queen of Sheba and King Solomon had a much more involved relationship then the Bible suggests when the Hebrew Bible mentions their meeting. It says that Solomon gave the queen all her desire whatsoever she asked according to the European Orthodox Church whatever she asked included a sexual relationship. According to this take on the legend the Queen had a child by King. Solomon a son named men leak. The first he took on the religion of his father and ruled Sheba from the ancient city of Axum his line governed modern day Ethiopia for generations when Meno leak was a young man. He traveled with his mother from Sheba to Israel to meet his father during his visit. Solomon presented mental leak with a replica of the Israelites. Greatest treasure the Ark of the covenant. One night before he left mentally managed to switch the imitation arc with the one that resided in Solomon's Temple. He then brought the real are back with him to Sheba according to popular Jewish historical tradition. The ARC went missing from Jerusalem sometime in the five hundred 's bce. According to the Ethiopian Orthodox Christians this lost Treasure Lies Inside Lady of Zion Church for Millennia. Monks hit the arc behind a simple curtain in guarded against prying eyes. No one the chosen. Few at the head of the church have ever been permitted to see the Ark for themselves the stolen Ark of the Covenant isn't the only thing that ties Ethiopia to King Solomon according to the Cabra Nagase. The dynasty started by mental leak. The first son of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba stretched onwards for almost three thousand years in fat highly Selassie. The last emperor of Ethiopia claim to be mental leaks descendant. If this was true. Then the Solomonic Dynasty ruled. Ethiopia from the nine hundred BC e until nineteen. Seventy four when? Highly Selassie was overthrown. Perhaps the source of King Solomon's Gold could be Ethiopia via Sheba or. It could be another place mentioned in the Hebrew Bible throughout the Old Testament. One name in particular continually appears next to descriptions of King Solomon's gold this is over an unspecified port or trading center that sent Israel shipments so silver sandalwood pearls ivory eighths peacocks and most importantly gold. The book of Kings describes a that Solomon and Hiram King of Tyre took to Ofer in search of tributes over could very well be the site of King. Solomon's Goldmines the issue then is to figure out where exactly over is in the modern world. Unfortunately there is very little context in the parts of the Old Testament that mentioned over the port city was obviously famous for its gold and the Hebrew Bible repeatedly references. Its wealth these passages however assumed the reader knows exactly where they're talking about over was apparently well-known enough when the Old Testament was written that no other geographical markers are mentioned. We can't even be entirely sure. What continent it's on. We know that the expedition to offer is set sail from the port of Etzion Gabar on the Red Sea. Therefore it makes sense that over could be nearby and returning by ship. Popular theories say that. Oh for was on the eastern coast of Africa somewhere on the Arabian peninsula or even India. But no one can say for certain. Perhaps over is still out there somewhere waiting to be found beneath the dunes. There's just not enough left in the written record. This blind spot is partially the result of the way. Solomon's reign concluded even with all his gold by the end of his term. King Solomon faced the destruction of everything he had built while the king had a reputation for wisdom. According to the Bible it was his sins against your way that ultimately led to the dissolution of the kingdom but so hard to establish as the king grew older his heart turned away from the Jewish God. He built temples to the gods of his wives homelands and allowed his people to worship their. Salomon himself began to worship a starchy. A Phoenician fertility goddess and Mohawk a bloodthirsty Canaanite. God who could only be sated by Human Sacrifice God appeared to Solomon in a vision the Deity said he would break Israel apart for its people had turned to idolatry and the worship of other Gods when King Solomon died in nine thirty one BC he left behind a dazzling city beyond his palace and Temple. He built a magnificent courthouse a house for his main wife and multiple pagan altars and temples for his other wives. All of these were made of the finest Cedar and Stone. Top with gold before the king's body was cold. Y'All ways threat was swiftly carried out when Solomon's son Rea- bom took the Throne Ten of the twelve tribes of Israel to recognize him as their ruler during his reign. Solomon had implemented hefty taxes on the surrounding tribes now that he was dead the Ten tribes demanded that Bowen cut the taxes his father had implemented but he refused so these tribes split off dividing Solomon's prosperous kingdom into the two warring states of Israel. And Judah Judah would never again rejoin Israel under Jewish king. Solomon's work was undone. The story of King Solomon is a fantastic and dramatic one with captivating characters like the Queen of Sheba and powerful allegory of sin and destruction. According to the Hebrew Bible Jerusalem under Sullivan became the glittering golden capital of a mighty kingdom. But did any of it actually happened that way. The archaeological record is somewhat sparse when it comes to King Solomon. This isn't surprising when the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar the second invaded Jerusalem in five eighty seven BC. They raised it to the ground. Jerusalem has been rebuilt many times over the centuries. There were even multiple temples. Built on the temple. Mount the site of Solomon's Fabled Temple of Alway the temple. Mount is an incredibly important sight to all of the Abraham religions. Today it's home to the Muslim Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque which are some of the oldest works of Islamic architecture. A boulder atop the mount called the foundation stone was thought to be the site of the holy of holies. The inner sanctum. In Solomon's Temple. This is where the Ark of the Covenant was housed and we're God himself manifested his presence. The Prophet Mohammed is believed to have begun his famous night journey from the foundation stone due to the importance of the site. Multiple religions significant archaeological excavation of the Temple Mount Hence proved tricky evidence. Supporting the account of King Solomon's building projects in the Bible was only recently unearthed. An Israeli archaeologist says newly excavated ancient fortifications in Jerusalem. Date back three thousand years to the time of the Bible's King. Solomon Hebrew universities. A lot MAZAAR says pottery shards date the walls to one thousand years before Christ the first time that we have a city gate and a line from the time of King Solomon. Is this a ten century? Most beautifully preserved section of the city wall. If she's right. The findings would indicate a strong central government in Jerusalem at that time because building city walls demanded great resources and organization indicates about a Tenth Century. That sit so well with Biblical version. Some archaeologists argue the David Salomons monarchy was mythical others including mazaar believe. They actually ruled three thousand years ago. While some archaeological evidence has been found on the temple. Mount Supporting the existence of Solomon's Temple. There is nothing indicating that any gold was mined there but what if Sheba even today ISEO PIA is an exceedingly gold country? It's known for having seems of gold lying very close to the earth's surface. Is it possible that the goal that covered the first temple built in Jerusalem came from what is now Ethiopia Author Tahir? Shah tried to answer this question when he journeyed to Ethiopia in nineteen ninety. Nine shy is a British journalist and author known for recounting. His far flung journeys in travel literature. Show spent a year criss-crossing the east African nation trying to find the possible source of King Solomon's gold throughout his journey tire became more and more certain that the minds of King Solomon must be hidden somewhere in gold rich Ethiopia's rugged countryside when he stumbled upon mentions of a mysterious cave filled with gold in an out of print explorers travelogue. He knew he'd found it hidden in a secret. Cavern in a certain mountain in Ethiopia. Shaw believed King. Solomon's mines awaited him now. All he had to do was find. The entrance will travel deeper into the minds and Ethiopia's his after this now back to the story King Solomon's mines have been lost to the annals of history but there may be clues hidden in the Hebrew Bible that point the way to the lost treasure like the Lost City of El Dorado seekers believed that finding the minds could bring wealth beyond their wildest dreams and inspired scores of expeditions. On one of these trips American archaeologist Nelson Glick claimed that he'd found King Solomon's mines in the Negev desert in Israel but instead of gold these minds provided King Solomon with untold wealth in the form of copper beginning in one thousand nine hundred thirty eight thirty seven year old glick excavated a site called. Tell El Khalifa. He dated the earliest structures there to the tenth century. Bc which coincides with King. Solomon's rule glick believed one of the buildings he found was meant to act as a refining room for copper or he declared that the holes found in the walls of the excavated building were obviously flus meant to provide a natural draft to cool off smelting activities he also discovered a number of fire blackened pottery shards and reported that they were certainly ancient crucibles used to separate copper or from slag. The proof was there. Copper was the lifeblood of early Israel not gold clicks findings were published and became a popular theory but his ipod. Asus was short lived. It was Golick's own assistant Beno Rothenberg who shattered the illusion as he worked on the side over the years. Rothenberg noticed an alarming number of inconsistencies in Blix claims and the archaeological proof he presented in one thousand nine hundred sixty two. He published a devastating report of the work. He and Glick had done at tell El Khalifa. Firstly the holes that glick had described flus were carved into all four sides of the building. Rothenberg thought. This didn't make sense as the wind. Only blue from the North. Why make holes in all four walls? He also stated that the room. Glick reported as a furnace room had no entries or exits. It would be impossible for anyone to go inside and adjust the furnace. In addition the so-called crucibles glick had found were obviously handmade cookware matching other examples found across the Middle East most tellingly. There was a lack of ancient mining. Waste anywhere near the site. Anyplace that acted as a large capacity metal refinery would have had mountains of a stony byproduct called slag nearby. But there was none at tell Al Khalifa. The structure wasn't a copper refinery. It was part of a wall surrounding an ancient city. Glick himself even eventually agreed with Rothenberg's findings in a news article published in nineteen sixty five while glick headed wrong. Other explorers still haven't given up the search for Solomon's mines in Nineteen Ninety nine author Tahir Shah mounted his own expedition to Ethiopia to track down the answer to this ancient mystery. Shaw's book in search of King Solomon's mines describes how his journey started when he was thirty. Three it began innocuously enough in Curio shop. In the Old City of Jerusalem many stalls made a business of selling dubious artifacts to unsuspecting tourists. Oftentimes shops claim to have real splinters. From the Cross. Jesus was crucified on or the finger bones of saints for the most part. These religious relics were actually worthless trinkets. But his tie. Here's Shaw stepped into his shop. Along the thoroughfare hidden among the prayer beads and Snow Globes. Something caught his eye. It was an old faded map hanging on the back. Wall the shopkeeper. Picking up on Shaw's curiosity spun him. A tale of how the roughly drawn chart led the way to treasures beyond imagining this paper which shopkeepers family had passed down for. Generations pointed the way to King Solomon's mines in the medical land of over the shopkeeper told him the gold is in Africa. As you probably expected the shopkeepers story wasn't exactly true. In fact after buying the map tie here returned to the store only to find a different equally authentic looking chart hanging in. Its place this incident. Set the tone for. Here's journey to find Solomon's lost minds. Perhaps one of the reasons why they've remained stubbornly hidden for so long is that many people would rather follow a good story over facts or history for his part. Sharma was already very familiar with the search for the minds. His father and grandfather both respected Afghan authors and travelers in their own right had previously trek through the Middle East in search of King. Solomon's gold it was a family obsession and the chance encounter with the fake map. Set Tie here on the same track since his father and grandfather had already ruled out the Middle East with their own expeditions tie. Here's set his sights on Africa. In his opinion the minds and the lost city of over could be in one place Ethiopia. A as we've mentioned Ethiopian. Christians have long claimed a historical relationship to Solomon through his child with the Queen of Sheba. Tie here is that offer. Must be the site of the minds. Within the Queen of Sheba's ancient realm the location fence when Solomon and King Hiram of Tyre launched their expedition to over they left from Port on the Red Sea as we said before Sheba was thought to include the Horn of Africa and span across the Red Sea into the Arabian Peninsula. Many historians believe that this area also included the land of putting a fabled kingdom of riches that often did business with the ancient Egyptian empire. There is a particular carved relief at that year. L. Bahari an archaeological site near the Egyptian city of Luxor. That seems to provide some evidence that punt was in Ethiopia located inside the Mortuary Temple of the female Pharaoh Hatshepsut. The relief illustrates the end of an expedition. The Pharaoh took to punt the image shows had it bringing back luxury goods and Gold Egyptian style. Read boats the relief depicts a series of beehive shaped huts meant to represent the homes of the punt people. These curiously shaped structures are still in use today and the doors eight people in the Rift Valley Mountains. We've distinctive be hive shaped houses out of bamboo and there are aspects of traditional Ethiopian. Life that seemed to have been influenced by contact with Egypt. The low long read boats favored by the Pharaohs are still used by Ethiopian fishermen today additionally the Ethiopian Orthodox Church still uses an ancient traditional percussion instrument called a system which can be found in Egyptian hieroglyphs from thousands of years ago. These remnants of Egyptian culture were well known to tie here Shaw and helped influence his decision to search for King Solomon's mines in Ethiopia. He reasoned that the Israelites were enslaved in Egypt. When had shepherd ruled they would have heard of the fabulous wealth found in punt to the south when Solomon came to power and was looking to enrich his kingdom? It made sense that he would seek out a place that had historically been associated with gold and luxury goods. By this time the land of punt had given way to Saba ruled over by the Great Queen of Sheba with these legends. In Mind Taw here. Shaw said off in nineteen ninety nine for Addis Ababa. The capital city of Ethiopia. To See if he could find the minds for himself their tie here found that people were eager to share their ideas of where Solomon's minds. We're located the real issue. Was that in such a gold rich country. Multiple places could be the source of the king's wealth following folktales rumors and officials stories. Tie here narrow the possible gold mines to a few distinct locations their search would take them all over somewhere in Ethiopia. Solomon's mines were waiting but are the minds actually somewhere out there. Hidden under the shifting sand dunes of Ethiopia or the Middle East. Are they lost forever or were they just a story all along? Next week we'll dive. Further into the mystery of King Solomon's mines will follow Journalists Tiger Shaw navigates competing stories and unforgiving terrain to find the ancient mines. Somewhere in modern day Ethiopia. But while tie here was certain the source of King Solomon's gold was in Ethiopia. There are other locations that claim to be the true origin. In fact people have insisted they found king. Solomon's mines all across the world from sites in Modern Day Israel to India to the southern tip of Africa and even the America's with the historical record being so vague and logical evidence being so scarce. All of these places could have a valid claim to the side of the minds. But which one is the true one. Join US next week to find out thanks again. For Tuning into unexplained mysteries. We will be back Thursday with part two of the lost minds of Sullivan. For more information on the search for the mines amongst the many sources we used we found in search for King Solomon's mines by Tahir Shah and the National Geographic article in search of the Real Queen of Sheba by Stanley Stewart. Extremely helpful to our research you can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries in all other park originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music? But now specifies making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite park asked originals like unexplained mysteries for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream unexplained mysteries on spotify just in the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar. And don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at cast and twitter at Park s network will see next time see annex Thursday and remember. Never take we. Don't no for an answer. Unexplained mysteries was created by Max. Cutler is a production of cutler media. In his part of the park. Podcast network it is produced by Max and Ron Cutler sound design by Russell Nash With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro and Joel Stein production assistance by Maggie admire and Freddie Beckley. This episode of unexplained mysteries was written by Molly Quinlan and stars Molly Brandenburg and Richard Rosner.

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AT#648 - Route 66 Road Trip

The Amateur Traveler Podcast

53:33 min | 2 years ago

AT#648 - Route 66 Road Trip

"The bags back on the road. There and read it's go real good pass board. Terra traveler pursued six hundred and forty eight today immature traveler talks about cabins, a petrified forest and diners week wom motels that Disney movie cars and the world's second largest rocking chair as we take route sixty six the mother road. Come to the mature traveler, I'm your host, Chris Christensen. Let's talk about an iconic US road trip. I'd like to welcome the show Austin coupe from the two lane, America dot com. Travel blog, and it's too with the number two and guided route sixty six tours dot com and strangely enough. I wanted to mention that's like oh. And because that's exactly what we're gonna talk about a road trip on route sixty six Austin, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. And we're not gonna spend a lot of time talking about the itinerary because the tannery was laid down by somebody in ice the nineteen fifties before we started. According and I'm and I'm wrong win was route sixty six in the US laid out. Well, this is a topic in itself. There's actually multiple alignments of route sixty six every now, and then somebody tells me why would I need help going down one road? Well, because there's three so if you imagine route sixty six it changed the same way America changed when it was first laid out plotted out, you had some of your roads were already in existence, especially through states like Illinois. They became the favourite highways of your bootleggers. No legal moonshine from were in the nineteen twenties. Then at that point. And then piece by piece they started the symbol together. And then eventually they were official designations and things like that was originally supposed to be re sixty another part of the country claimed that so supposedly in Springfield, Missouri. Is where they got the first postmark that shows anybody referring to as sixty six, but again, you get the multiple variations over time. As your car's got bigger, they got faster and the number of people on the roads changed dramatically, obviously with the heyday really being obviously the nineteen fifties. So we're talking about a route a sort of legendary iconic Americana road trip from and I'm going to say Chicago to Santa Monica, California. Am I close? Yeah. That's that's most commonly how we think of it from right downtown Chicago right there by the art museum, all the way. Down to the Santa Monica. Pier. Now, of course that being said, depending on the variation originally stopped downtown LA later extended over to the ocean. But for most people we think of downtown Chicago is the start of the trail, and the Santa Monica pier is the end of the trail. Well, and I know when I was in Albuquerque they were pointing out the different routes that had taken through town. So at one point in Albuquerque, route sixty six crosses route sixty six. Very confusing because they had changed the route at some point. So a little familiar with that. And for those who did not grow up in the US, and those who are not of the age that I am who grew up in the US. You may not remember that there used to be a TV show. Actually that was route sixty six of these two young guys. I don't remember what convertible it was that would drive through American interact with people along route sixty six as they made their way week by week across the country. I don't know they're actually making progress. I don't remember the show detail, but they had vintage Jack corvettes generation corvette gonna guess it was a corvette. But I wasn't sure. And which seems like the ideal car to drive route sixty six. Oh, yeah. Excellent. Well, why are we talking about route sixty six let's do that route sixty six lawsuits designation as a federal highway back in the eighties. I do believe maybe even earlier it kinda hit hard times. A lot of the towns that were along route sixty six languished during the eighties and early nineties, but something interesting happened. And there's a lot of different reasons for this a lot of really cool stories related to people. But were now saying it's really it's never been more popular and lots of things play into that. First of all you've got the demographic that remembers traveling or remembers going on maybe as a as a young child things like that. Now is they're retiring they wanna go back, and they want to do that. Again, see got one bucket of travelers that are just nostalgic, and then you've got a whole nother Seta travelers. A lot of international travelers are associating it with of America and the wide open spaces of America. And then you've got. Even people just from the movie card. I was gonna say that's the other more recent reference to route sixty six sure and the producers of cars went to great lengths Lassiter in another Pixar. Disney guys to make sure that stuff in that movie matched up with real life people in places so almost every little bit of that movie has some sort of very tangible connection to rely. Excellent. Well, it's on my bucket list. This drive, and it's a drive. Let's count the states here, Illinois, Missouri. Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California you forgot Kansas. I wasn't sure if I was looking at them going and does it hit Kansas. Okay. Just barely just barely off kind of a corner of Kansas. All right. So you get eight states in their excellent. We want to drive west to east or east west, theoretically, it makes no difference. But I don't know if it's it's just because of the song, it just seems like it's in our psyche to go Chicago alight is it is there's lots of reasons for that the song get your kicks on route sixty six is a big part of that. But then also even going back further grapes of wrath by John Steinbeck. That's where it originally gets its name the mother road as it talked about these families enduring the dust bowl, just horrible conditions traveling route sixty six to head out west to California, which was their promised land. So that's where we get to the mother wrote. Oh, I did not realize it was going to just actually read that book for the first time last year, excellent book lousy ending. But. And the song that you're going to get your kicks on route sixty six's by NAT king Cole. So no slouch there. I could be wrong. I think Bobby troup, Bobby trope. However, you won't set wrote it, but you're definitely right NAT king Cole and the Chuck Berry. Chuck Berry version. Neat. We neither one of us. Right. Okay. Good to know. Excellent. And where would you recommend we stop along route sixty six the cool thing about route sixty six is so much of it is acceptable right off of the major interstates. So let's say you were going you were going from the mid west up out west or from the west back towards the east and you are hard pressed for time. Okay. Let's say you've got no big deal. But if you've ever traveled along I forty it's miserable. It's just nothing upon nothing upon what people don't realize is that most of the time. They're literally minutes away from some of the the best roadside attractions in the United States. So tell people if you're traveling in a hurry. There's lots of ways to do route sixty six and then of course, if you really want the experience, you need about two weeks, in my opinion to to get a real taste of it that being said, there's something in every state that is remarkable. To me, some of the stuff would appeal to all of us, you know, things like the gateway arch in St Louis, the Oklahoma City memorial. She's one of the most powerful places. I put it up there top five with things like ground zero in the holocaust museum. I mean, it's so well done it's just remarkable. And that's a series of empty chairs that recall the children killed in this domestic terrorism attack in the eighties mid nineties. Yes. Oklahoma City bombing the actual site of the building is where they've laid out these empty chairs. They've got a chair for every victim. And the chairs are located where they about where those people were within the office building. And you mentioned that the children they have smaller chairs for the kids. I mean, the company museum. It's one of those I tell everybody goes through it at your own pace. And you'll be amazed. It's silent nobody talks because you're just everyone is on. It's just on edge. It's so well done it so powerful, they take you all the way they've got the car that they caught McVay driving. So they go everything from the minute before all the way up to the eventual today who are the way ends is really cool to they could've ended that dark place. Instead, the end it with an interactive experience, especially aimed towards towards school children where they can talk about hope for peace and understanding it's just honestly one of the best experiences anywhere in the United States. Let's take a break here. And here from a sponsor when you trying to kill time on that long plane flight or bus ride and you've run out of amateur traveler pursuits, you can learn something with the app blinking blinking takes nonfiction books and condenses the key points in those books down to something around fifteen minutes. And so you can learn something even if you don't have time to consume the whole book or maybe if he wanted to. Side if you want to read that whole book. So for instance, I just recently finished reading the seven habits of highly effective people took me awhile. And it took me just a little over fifteen minutes to do the blanket version of that book and really did do good job of covering the major points in the book and right now for a limited time blinking has a special offer for you. Go to blinking dot com slash travel. That's blinking B. L I N K I S T dot com slash travel to start your seven day trial, blinking dot com slash travel and thanks to blinking for. Sponsoring this episode of amateur traveler, and I didn't mean to start us in the middle. Why don't we jump back to Chicago in start doing the places that you want to suggest we stop in order east to west Illinois? I think a lot is underrated. I think some of your most fun places along route sixty six Illinois. It's not going to be the most glamorous senior. It's the mid west. I'm from the midwest. It's not a knock, we're just a little flat out here in the midst of these cornfields their stuff in Chicago, you know, places like Lou Mitchell's where you wanna grab breakfast stuff like that. But really once you get out of Chicago town of Joliet. You can stop by the prison there. That's the prison from blues brothers. They break out of there in the process of turning that into some sort of museum experience. But then as you get a little bit further down the road. He start to come to some of my favorite places to whiten Adele, or both just little towns have vintage filling stations that have been restored to how they would've looked back in the early days of route sixty six now when you pull into people run outside to change check your oil and fill you up. They do not guarantee if you needed it. Somebody would okay. These are the kind of places where it's just amazing that we'll talk about this Moore's we get into this. But there's the people are just as important as the play. Which is what makes us unique a unique road trip before we go too far. I realized we left out something for people who don't know the story, and we do have people who are listening internationally who wouldn't necessarily. If you've seen cars you've picked up on this already that one of the big changes between route sixty six and the interstates that largely replaced it in terms of holding all the traffic was that the interstates. They wanted to get you there quickly. And so they stopped going through the little towns and bypassing them as you said, maybe just a couple of miles away. But with the route sixty six you ended up at the stoplight at main street, which is a different experience a slower experience it now the all the business went from main street to whatever filling station happened to be at the exit of the interstate. And so a lot of these towns did start to lose that business and and somewhat decay in places. So it's nice to hear places like Dwight you're saying restoring some of that. Vintage architecture and experience go in just talk about it. Now, even though it's it's way out near Zona. We really it. You're gonna do what I'm doing. If we're doing the backstory, I've got to tell you about the man we call the angel of the route. So it's a barber named angel out in this little town called Soliven Arizona he'd been Barbara their whole life. His brother ran the little drive in their in town. This whole family was there after the interstate pass them by after I forty went by him there. The town was so poor that couldn't turn it street lights on. And he literally watched from the window of his route sixty six barbershop. He just he watched everything die and he was forced with a decision. Do I approve my entire family from the place that we've called home? Do I do something about it? And he did something about it. He formed the very first route sixty six association any told everybody said people will come back if we make this a tourist destination, and he was right? So he showed everybody else how to do it. And we really we call him the angel the route he's in his nineties. Now, his barbershop is more of a gift shop now. He's credited largely with being a big reason that route sixty six is again, thriving. He was one of the main consultants on the movie cars. So for me. That's the back story of how it came to be thing. Again, MS they knew that people would want to just as the movie says instead of driving to make great time. They drove to have a great time. So it really was that in real life. So. Yeah. Back in Illinois, one of my favorite towns town, called Pontiac, Illinois, small city, actually, so Pontiac has a few different unique things. I they have the Illinois route sixty six museum in hall of fame. And inside there you'll find Volkswagen microbus that was belong to guide him. Bob walled Meyer, and he was the inspiration for Fillmore in the movie cars. Okay. And he was a true life. I don't wanna say hippie, but he lived on the road most of his life. It really did that most of his life going around doing art his St.. Lives on all over route sixty six but in addition to that, you'll find lots of different things and just this one little town, the Pontiac Oakland Packard car museum. Is there in Pontiac, which is interesting? You know, the Pontiac wasn't made in Illinois. It was made Michigan, right? And when Pontiac went to the graveyard there. They basically convinced this prolific Pontiac collector expert to put his EM right there in Pontiac, Illinois. So it becomes a great great stop for people like me during the cars. The just really anybody. They've also got a wonderful war museum. It's an easy place to spend an hour to from. There. We go to my next favorite town, which is the town of Atlanta. So Atlanta, Illinois population fits thousand people. I'd be amazed my friends there in town always give me the exact population by the person every time. I stop there. You'll find great great, vintage diner, that's been restored. Just as it was. The forties and fifties. And this little diner was everything from where they had their school dances tour. The greyhound bus picked up just the most charming little town. They've also got an arcade museum full of vintage, arcade games. And then they've got one of your giant muffler men giant roadside OSHA. Yeah. This particular one is holding a hot dog. That's actually a hot dog shop outside Chicago. So Atlanta, Illinois is just another example of these little towns that are just right off the highway that are just great places for lunch or dinner that you just never know her there unless you get off the highway excellent moving a little quicker, you've got Springfield, Illinois. Which was of course, the capital there, you can go to Lincoln's home. So the only house that he ever actually owned is there in Springfield. And you can also go to his tomb, which is a really meaningful experience to go to his memorial and resting place there and also stop by places like the cozy dog, which is where the corn dog was invented right? There's no shortage of places to eat. There's maple syrup place called funks grove few happen to be there during the maple syrup season. All sorts of other fun stuff. But then eventually you're gonna make it to Saint Louis. So you're gonna cross the mighty Mississippi and then in Saint Louis there. There's obviously lots to do in C highlighted by the gateway arch, you know, if you've never been out the arch. It's an experience just riding the little capsules to get to the top is an unforgettable experience and all your fun stuff Anheuser Busch in the cathedral basilica and just your normal that he tourism things there in Saint Louis from there you start to get into the Missouri part Meramec caverns, which MIR met caverns is just a cave system. And they've got a real nice tour there will over an hour. Not too intense successful. So anybody can do it. They've got a great light show at the end of the story of the cavern supposedly Jesse James gang hit out there. I'll just put it this way the guy that owned it in the first part of the twentieth century. There was a master showman. And so. So. You're doubting some of the historical accuracy is what I'm hearing here. It's a Lincoln. Okay. But it's a great cave tour from there. I always launching Cuba, Missouri, which has a vintage filling station where everybody in the little town. If you were growing up your sixteen year old boy that was typically your first job was working at this filling station. This family has converted it into a remarkable restaurant. And I don't mean just like diner food our sun. The owner son is to the head chef and he's for his age. He's remarkable. So I like to stop there for lunch. It's also a town with a bunch of murals, you can go get some photos of the murals, and then just up the road a little bit there as a wagon wheel motel which is one of the earliest hotels on route sixty six they have again, restored it NUP dated it. So they've got a great little gift shop, and then it's onto fanning which has used to be the world's largest rocking chair. I believe they have lost that day competition. For the world competition. Now, they call it the largest one on route sixty six which that is definitely true. Route sixty six is a series of just little fun quirky stops like that it's a vintage motel here. It's a it's a roadside attraction like a muffler, man. It's a the world's largest rocking chair, formerly. It's just a series of little kitschy fund stops like that it just really never ends third to get into Kansas and just a little bit of stuff to do there in Kansas couple towns with again, filling stations that have been restored and things like that get into Oklahoma where you get a few different things if you're baseball fan. A you know that Mickey Mantle is from Oklahoma is from what we would call myemma the myemma commerce area. You can actually go to his boyhood home their space there. If you bring a baseball glove, you can have you can have a little catch Garin his yard. Then you go to the town of of myemma there, and it's spelled Miami. Right. But it's actually myemma it's tribal land for the most part. They've got an old theater there that a a man built after he made a fortune with lead mining, and it's of course, haunted like every old theater. And so you can tour that let's take a break here. And here from sponsor with all the recent news of online security breaches is hard not to worry about where your data goes making it online purchase or simply accessing your Email could put your private information at risk. I hope he knew the danger of connecting to the WI fi in the airport or in a local coffee shop. But did you just see that AT and T has been selling your data and other companies have been as well your browser history? So that they can target you. You can protect your data and your privacy by using a VPN. I have installed express VPN. They have an easy to use app. That runs seamlessly in the background on your computer, your phone, or your tablet. You could turn on protection with one click. It's occurs. An anonymous as your internet, browsing encrypting your data. It costs less than seven dollars a month. And it's the number one rated VPN service by tech radar. 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You've got fun stuff like the blue whale of catoon saga, which has always featured in photos of throught sixty six where it's just this funky giant wail that this guy made he was actually the toss zookeeper and he decided he wanted to make his wife something for their anniversary. It got out of hand and ended up a giant blue whale. Down the road a little bit more. You've got the young round barn. Which is you don't see a whole lot of those around Barnes anymore. You've got the world's largest pop bottle outside of a pop soda ranch. There's just no shortage of stuff eventually again, Roland Oklahoma City, and we already talked about Oklahoma City memorial. And then I always take people to the state house the experience, you can never go wrong going to state house as you go further into Oklahoma. You get Oklahoma route sixty six museum, which really tells the story Connell detail of the different types of travelers you had federally on you had the dust bowl traveler, and then you had a lot of GI's on their way to war that utilize sixty six and then you even come to the little town of Eric Oklahoma, which if you're a fan of Roger Millar king of the road. Sure, that's where he grew up and shove Woolley from the purple people eater. Both. Come from this one light town. I mean, it's amazing that both those men came from that town. And then you go to texoma which depending on which year, it is they'll tell you it's in Texas or Oklahoma depending on which year, it is heaven forbid, we we agree on any sort of boundary line. So it depends the surveyors every so often they'll do a new survey, and they'll place tech Sola more in Texas and other times, oh place that more in Oklahoma. It's just right on the border there. And then you cross in Texas most of route sixty six and Texas is now a frontage road. But shamrock is the town that most people are gonna stop at shamrock has the drop in which is the inspiration for moans in the movie cars at art deco architecture stunning if you ever go through there at night stunning neon. The neon was actually took them years to raise the money. To replace the neon getting all working again, a big storm knocked it all back out. So they actually replaced it with LED's that are now shatterproof which was a great move. They've actually got a booth in there the Elvis sat when he was passing through town. Well, I feel like it looks like something I've said in in cars land in California adventure too. I mean, it's rabidly. Yeah. By seen the move. It's it's so recognizable. They were genius at their little gift shop there they've gotten entire section of cars dodger for kids. So they're really smart. They're but shamrock has a blurred Eastone like a real blarney stone. Okay. The way they got it is absurd. They convinced. This was during route sixty six hey. So they had a little bit of clout here that convinced Ireland that they would promote tourism since their name was shamrock, Texas. Okay. They would promote tourism if in exchange they got a real blarney stone. So a real piece of the castle. Yes castle. Okay. So non legend says if you kiss it you get the gift of gab, so. I don't know how often they clean it. So you're gonna get a gift of something. Now, you you said that in Texas route sixty six is a frontage road. Does that imply that beforehand we have been on a separate road or have we actually been on the the interstate that now goes on that route, and I could be wrong about this. But my understanding is that when they did the interstate a lot of the original route sixty six was destroyed. Okay. About eighty percent of the original route remains, okay? But I do believe from what I've always read is that a lot of it. That was destroyed was destroyed in Texas. Okay. So you see in some cases is they take a front. Road. And it's the basically call it route sixty six that's the way most of Amarillo is got it. Okay. Which of course, Amarillo on the way there you wanna stop in. Groom Texas sinc-, the world's largest balls of barb wire and the bar museum. And then it's on they've got the giant cross and groom and then an Amarillo. Of course, you wanna go to the big Texan state grants where if you can eat a tremendous amount of steak and other items you get it for free. So they've been featured on every TV show. You know, they're they're pretty well known. But of course, on the way out of Morello, you come to Cadillac ranch Cadillac ranch is is a perfect example of one that if you're just on the highway you can see it from the highway all you have to do is get off on the exit and few brought spray paint. Great. If not there's typically some leftover spray paint there you have to describe for the people who are listening who aren't looking at the photo. Which is now on the items enhanced version, what the hell you're talking about. Because there's no way that people are gonna go Cadillac ranch and automatically picture what you're seeing so Cadillac ranch is consistently considered one of the top roadside attractions in the United States. It's basically a bunch of Cadillacs that have been buried with their nose down in the dirt. Right. So just their tail stick up in the air, which supposedly the angle that they're sticking up at is the same angle as the pyramids in Egypt. But the whole thing is just an art. You know, it's just a funky, art installation. And they encourage you to spray paint them named courage you to obviously pick up your trash, but at the same time, you're encouraged to spray paint your name or your your significant other's name. And every so often they'll come through and just paying all of a solid color and give everybody a blank canvas again and that lasts a couple of hours. It's up there with car hinge. I'd say are the two most well known kind of roadside attraction the of the. The west. But it's featured in the movie cars is all there's a Cadillac ranch mountain range in the movie where it's got all the, but yeah, just stuff like that. You don't need to bring your own spray paint. When I do trips out there. Bring some there's typically some leftover spray paint. But you might wanna grab some some stuff to clean up afterwards because it's the Texas plains and it gets windy, and I've had more than one person show up with paint all over their hands and face. So keep that in mind from from there, you're off towards Adrian, Texas, which is the mid point. She's little over thousand miles eleven hundred some actually twelve hundred have to look at the math route sixty six is about twenty four hundred miles right there. You'll find a little flower shop and you'll find Fran Hauser inside working that shop. With her trusty dog and Fran actually is the inspiration for character flow in the movie. So she's she's flow. She's got little postcards with the the car on it should. Give to everybody and the next door is the mid point cafe, which has some of the best cinnamon roll you'll ever eat as well as a gift shop, there's always a gift. Shop is never fail. But from there, you go towards to Cari, which has been featured in so many songs, it's it's kind of an anomaly, but that's where you're gonna find a body your vintage motels see featured the blue swallow, motel safari, and then also teepee Curio, I should also mention road runner lodge. It's kind of neat all of these people have been coming back to car in one by one purchasing these old vintage motels and just turning them into wonderful places to stay the road runner. I can't sta- say enough. Good things about the Brenner a motel safari has been beautifully. Renovated and blue swallow blue swallow specially neon sign is incredibly famous for anybody. That's a hardcore road trip and p Curio is technically the last original Curio shop that still on route sixty six again, it's looks like teeth Pete. I mean, everything is had to come up with ways to pull you in. When you're. Driving down the road back then. So then it got really creative with it. And we just don't see that when we're driving along the highway as much anymore. We'll in that what should not be confused with the teepee motel. This is a Curio shop. But that I think that's actually unread sixty six also, isn't it? Yeah. So we're almost to those. Okay. Yep. But yeah, it just it goes on and on Albuquerque. You've got to sixty six diners standard diner, you can justify aside trip up to Santa Fe because the early route did go up to Santa Fe it did Santa Fe loss down when they took a bend out of the road at some point lost all the traffic the up. I think Santa Fe did. Okay. What do you think? You could easily time this with bloom fiestas Albuquerque, which is spectacular. It is indeed. And we have a whole episode bloom fiestas Albuquerque as well. So it's well worth a listen because it's it's absolutely worth going to. Oh, absolutely. It's it's a bucket list item. It is it is heading out of Albuquerque you start to get towards while the El Rancho motel in Gallup, that's where all your movie star stayed when they were filming westerns out west, and you can go in there. And they've of course, got a gift shop. So you've got petrified forest national park, which is one of the most underrated national parks, stealing national park that route sixty six ever did go through and they've got a cool. They've got an old. I believe Studebaker that they've allowed to rust out by where the road used to be. What's also cool is that's also we start to get into the area where the Harvey company really started to get big. Okay. So there's a lot of cool stuff. There's one of the original with the call Harvey houses. Now, I'm going to guess that a lot of people haven't there's a book about the Harvey company that came out within the last decade. But a lot of people probably don't know who you're talking about to make a long story short Harvey, basically was kind of disgusted with what was available in terms of food and beverage while traveling by train what would happen as the train would stop in into a town there. And the town knew that they were the only people gotta eat. So they were known to. To take food that people left on their plates and reheat it. They've been known to charge double and say if you don't leave you're not you're not gonna make your train unless you pay. It had become the wild west out there and Harvey basically changed all of that and made train travel when we think about the luxurious cross country train crossings made it a thing. The eventually, I believe it was his son had a hand and TWA if I'm not mistake. Of course. Yeah. Basically to bring the same principles to the sky when we think about how flying, you know, used to be a little bit more luxurious the credit a lot of that to Harvey son bringing the same principles, of course, the Harvey girls he hired in. It's again, he was a head of his time. And a lot of ways people will say, okay, he only hired single mostly attractive women to the Harvey girls. But at the same time this was when none of the women out west even had a hope of getting a job. And so they became their own click. They were very strict in terms of of how the women were to behave and things like that. But it really led to all of your modern what we think of with servers and and gratuity in good service that really a lot of it can be traced back to Harvey. So you can actually go to one of his original Harvey house restaurant motels there in petrified forest. I'm petrified forces. Great because it's just one road. You can't get lost. You're not going to argue with your spouse when you make a wrong turn in the national park in your cell phone doesn't work because it's just one road the these days, I'm usually argue with Siri or whoever might navigator has and the book that I wanted to mention that came out recently about a Fred Harvey is appetite for America. Fred Harvey and the business of civilizing the wild west one meal at a time, and I'll put a link to that in the show notes. That's when I first heard about Fred Harvey was when this book came out in two thousand eleven and someone reviewed it and talked about this largely forgot episode in American history. It's well worth a read. It's very very fascinating. The petrified forest really should be considered to national parks because the painted desert, which if you've traveled to the badlands at similar erosion airy color bands, where it's very pretty. He's got the different colors. And then it transforms into these petrified logs, which thing. It's almost like the it's like you're on the surface of the moon or something. And then as soon as you leave the park, and you go into Holbrooke, there's all these rock shops that will sell you the rocks a lot cheaper than get him. Elsewhere. And that's where you also come to the first of the two different wigwam motels that are on route sixty six one in Holbrook there, even if you're not staying there. They've got a bunch of old cars in the parking lot and make your pictures. Look cool now, of course, we call it the wigwam motel. They are not wigwams their TV's there and the locals did not use TPC's wigwams. If I've got a correctly. The whole thing is yeah. Not quite correct. But read that's one of two the second one is over in San Bernardino, the third one there's only three that exists now. Third one is outside of mammoth cave. National park down here in Kentucky, two of the three are on route sixty six they're both super fun very reasonable rates in terms of she actually wanted to stay in one. And have you stayed in the my we'll talk about a little more later. Actually, run tours along route sixty six I gotta be honest. I haven't stayed in one I've been inside of them. But I have not actually stayed at either of the teepees wigwam motels from Holbrook just up the road a little bit of Winslow Arizona, which if you've ever listened to the eagles a day in your life. Wanna go stand on the corner winds layers on right? So they, of course, took that and made it a thing. So there's a corner in Winslow Arizona that is called standing on the corner park. And they've got a couple statues of Glen try and they've got flatbed Ford. I kid you not and you can get your pictures standing on a corner and Wednesday layers Dona, of course, there's a couple of gift shops and a wonderful little coffee in ice cream. Parlor they play eagles nonstop. I asked the people at the at the stores said you guys ever get tired of hearing take it easy. They said we just tune it out at this point. But it's saved our town while you're there also suggest popping into the lap Asada hotel again has Harvey connections. It was a considered the most hotel in the United States at one point, sadly when it ended up being just railroad offices. And so they got rid of all the original furnishings, but they have refurnished it, and it is is wonderful. Place to stop in and see they've done a great job, restoring it. But Winslow is a prime example of town that when the railroad came to town it was boomtime, and then the railroad started to dry up while in route sixty six came along. And it was boom boom time again. And eventually they started to languish and something as simple as an eagle song and the money with the vision to make that a thing they've made a thing again. And so it's it's cool to see these towns capitalize on their little pieces. A history from there you make it on into flagstaff flagstaff college town, lots to see lots to do year round. It's high all of Asian. They're skiing out there in the winter. Most people never think about Arizona having skiing, but they've got great skiing. And this is where I tell everybody you're in flagstaff. How can you not go to the Grand Canyon right there? So of course, route sixty six didn't go by the Grand Canyon. Not a bad detour. Yeah. And then when you come out of their chutes right into Williams Williams was the last town that the highway actually skipped over Williams has been able to do really well over the years. You know, they've got lots of campgrounds for Grand Canyon people. They've got the Grand Canyon Saint grail way. That leaves from town goes he can take the train ride in a lot of tourism. Yeah. I have taken that trillion stands on its own it. It's a great time. They've just in the past five or six years they've really amped up there kind of their food and shopping where they've got a bunch of gift shops, cool diners it really stands alone. As a great place headed west. You're gonna hit selectmen which we talked about earlier with the angel of the route and Silliman the best way to describe it. As now it's just a series of shops. Really? Everybody's got their funky little shop with everything the tail section of an airplane sticking out too. Sometimes they'll be guy there with a horse. It'll just let you sit on his horse and take pictures. Of course angel and his late brother's drive in snow cap is still running still existence and it stuff that it's hard to explain until you've been there. But it's it's just nonstop fun goofy homemade bizarre creations. Okay. You go towards Kingman Kingman any divine believe was actually married in Kingman. But right before you get there, you go to hack buried the hack, very general store, which is just another just collection of rusty junk that is so fun. It's hard explained typically have live entertainment somebody out there playing some music will this is one of those spots were route sixty six and the interstate diverge by more than just a mile or two. They actually rerouted it if we're talking scenic driving, which I know, you know, I'm a car guy. I know a lot of you in cars, motorcycles, that's part of the fun. Most of route sixty six is not necessarily super scenic until you get out here. Like, you said coming out of Soliven there, you're going to divert pretty hard from the interstate and you're gonna start to go through these valleys, and these deep deep valleys where there's the only other thing is set a train tracks that have been there even longer than route sixty six than you really do start to get that southwest scenery that you kind of maybe imagine. And so I will say that the drive from selectmen Kingman via route sixty six especially if you look at it on a map. It's almost like a big bow as it goes through the different conclaves in valleys there. So you do get some some good twisties. Good driving as you go through there. And then, you know, Kingman Kingman got some uses some. Diners as well. And then you have decision to make a lot of the guided tours at this point, they take off to Vegas, which is fine. But that you miss out on a lot. If you if you go in go up to Vegas instead of continuing on route sixty six yet, miss out on open, the reason the big buses don't do it as they can't make it up the road the road Oatman was considered the test of all tests for the people dust bowl as they were trying to make it out west. I remember reading about that. Yeah. The grapes wrath. Yep. If they're road if they could make it up the hill open. It was pretty much downhill the rest of the way towards LA. But that that road up to open is a bunch of switch Bax and still this day. You can look out, and you can see rusted cars at the bottom now whether or not just people that live in the area. Go throw their rusty old car down there to scare people. That's fine. But you get to the little town Oatman. There's literally borough. Ios wild boroughs all over town that just walked around everywhere cradle, cafes bars. And of course, the haunted, but you miss out on that little town. If you can't make it up that hill, and then from there, it's off into kind of the California desert. He goes through needles, you go to place called Amboise, which is where Roy's service station motel is. And then eventually you coming into LA, depending on your patients for LA. You know, you go through Pasadena, and and do all the experiences there. You know, the Rose Bowl, basically rose frayed, basically goes down route sixty six goes down. What is that Colorado boulevard? Barn. Of course. If you've listened to any of the old Jannine dean songs each boy. Is in all of your surfer hot rod music. They talk about Colorado boulevard. The little old lady from Pasadena and all of this American kind of conic stuff right there. And eventually, you know, again, you end up down at the Santa, Monica pier. So I know that's that's a lot. And I apologize for going through it all there is lots of what we wanted you to do one thing. I will say one thing I wanted to give a shout out to Casey annoy, which Casey Illinois is the place you'd find the world's largest rocking chair apparently today, and it is not an route sixty six it is still in Illinois as long as we mentioned earlier, I had bookmark that to talk about that. We're we're probably going to wrap it up at this point because this ode is getting long enough. But I want you to pull out a couple of your favorites. If we said the prettiest spot I'm going to say that drive that drive from Soliven to Kingman you really feel like you've stepped back in time. Because there's no interstate anywhere near you. You're just by feels like the west the comfy do see a train. You can see the whole train or something that feels like the old west as you drive that part of the root. Okay. Best diner apple pie on the route. Who that's going to be the Tom's grill. Cafe in Atlanta, Illinois. I love the fact that there was no hesitation whatsoever. The biggest challenge to guiding people down route sixty six is that you can only eat so many times a day. And so I have to tell you how many great diners are have to give props to Atlanta, Illinois, and the palms girl cafe and I wanted to talk a little bit about. So you do guided tours, and you've mentioned other people do tours in buses, yours is a self drive. Just to hit on it briefly. My whole goal was found that there were there are a lot of people that were in buses, which there's nothing wrong with that. But they wanted to drive. They. Wanted to actually have the experience of driving on it. Right. But doing it by yourself just as you've heard with her talking here there so much planning. And if you were if you get bogged down in trying to do every little thing, it'd take you a month. So what I wanted to do was come up with something that was a two week about thirteen day adventure that he didn't have to buy fifty guidebooks, and you didn't have to meticulously plan everything you just show up, and you get to go have fun. But you don't have to worry about are you on the right alignment, like what says I'm turning on route sixty six on route sixty six again here, the places you wanna go here's where we're gonna eat lunch because I know Atlanta, I know the palms grill has the best pie right hits. It was my idea to kind of create a best of road trip that people could just show up their car. They'd have fun because they wouldn't be by themselves. I love doing road trips on myself, but it can be isolating. Yep. And so. So it's nice to have that commodity. You're not around people the whole time, but you get to have some meals, and you have some fun and have drinks people talk about your adventure that day in and just a just kind of rolling party was what I yes. So it want people know about that one link to that that's the guided route sixty six tours dot com that we mentioned the beginning if somebody was going to do this on their own because you do this. How many times a year we're running to guaranteed departures the skirt possibly three we do a handful of times? And so if they're going to do it in their own, and for instance, I don't think you have one in the summer got one in June. August and potentially one in September got it. Okay. Let me be clear about this though. I have no problem with the people that want to get in their car and do it by themselves and that suits them. And if they need help, I'm resource. Okay. And I was that was really going to be the question is the best resource for somebody who's going to do it by themselves feel free. I've got plenty of articles online onto lane America, route sixty six and in the Facebook groups are great throught sixty six world is going to be your kind of biggest one I do believe they'll let you join anybody can join that group, and they've got everything from people. I know a lot of people wanna do it in RV's interesting. Okay. And that wouldn't necessarily lend itself. Well to what I'm doing. There's lots of resources on there. So that's where I'm going to have the debate. If I want to have the debate of who really has the best pie. That's that's the group to go to boy. I'm gonna make somebody mad by. Not mentioning their place. But so a lot of your a lot of your route sixty six business owners are in those Facebook groups, and they're just wonderful as I mentioned at the start of this. We spent the entire time talking mostly about the places, but it's these business owners that you'll walk away. Like, I'm just realizing. Now, I forgot to even talk about predecing clear station where he's passed on. But his kids now run it and literally show up and they've got coffee and snacks. I'm just they roll out the red carpet for you. It's just a series of making new friends when you take a trip like this. Excellent. Well, and we'll put links to the grapes of wrath, which are gonna read ahead of time. And the the other book that we mentioned we've got links in the show notes to Austin to websites and Austin if you wanted to send people to just one post the only had time to read one post about route sixty six what's your favorite? If I had to talk about some of the post that I've done on route sixty six think the one that even if you're not into the old nostalgia. Even if you're not into the kind of roadside attractions, like I am I think anyone from any background would love and appreciate the Oklahoma City memorial. Of course, a post on that. And then of course, I have to two more. Now, I've got one on the Disney Pixar cars locations. So if you wanted to see how okay stuff matches up to the movie stuff, that's a really fun article, especially if you're gonna do it with kids that would probably be one two point people who excellent or people like me who just act like it's. Yeah. I think that going to some of these locations while on maybe you're going to the Grand Canyon while stop here on away. I don't sit doing Chicago to LA as sixty six purist trip, like thirteen days, your kids are gonna hate you because it's just not enough for kids. But in terms of like, I said hopping off of I forty just for a minute. You wanna be data mama the year driving through the panhandle of Texas, which is like where road trips go to die, and you can hop off. And take them to Ramones from the movie cars and get them hot wheel. I mean, you've really reinvigorated your fam-. I'd say that cars post is one that most people most people would enjoy. Excellent our guest again has been Austin coop from two lane, America dot com. And we also mentioned his other site guided route sixty six tours dot com. Awesome. Thanks so much for coming on amateur traveler and talking about a road trip that I wanna do which is route sixty six. Hey, thank you so much. I appreciate it. In news of the community. I heard from Dave, and he caught me saying something wrong in last week's episode of Phoenix. And he said that rawhide which we mentioned hasn't been north of Phoenix for years. The land was sold to developers the buildings were relocated in their entirety to southeast Phoenix actually on an Indian reservation still the same fun atmosphere, and I apologize. I actually double check to make sure that rawhide was still around because I hadn't been there since my kids were young, and they are now twenty nine almost thirty one. So it had been a while. And I made sure it was there. I did not check to see if it was still in the same place. So still something I would recommend for kids. But it's not where I put it something that's newest I have another website, and this is another travel website, just four travel to California. And so if you're interested in coming to the Golden State, which I happen to like because I've lived here since nineteen sixty four except for the time that I. Spent at college you can go to California travel media dot com, and you'll find some familiar content there that was moved over from amateur traveller. In fact, if you click on those posts at immature traveler dot com, you'll end up at California travel media dot com. So that's the other way to get there. In case, you forget think to ask you a favor, I'm in between contracts right now and amateur trailer doesn't really pay the bills. So if you were booking travel anyway, and you appreciate the mature traveller if you could go to one of the links on amateur traveler under book travel, or under deals, it will cost, you know, more money to book through that link, but will make some money for amateur traveler and help support the show. You can also go to shortcuts like amateur traveler dot com slash Expedia amateur traveler dot com slash hotels dot com, and those will redirect you to an affiliate link. That will also support the show if you can do that. I appreciate it. Thanks with that. We're going to end this episode of amateur traveller if you have any questions. Send an Email to hosted amateur traveler dot com or better yet. Leave a comment on this episode at amateur travelling dot com, and thanks so much for listening. See? Champ.

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Deborah Ann Woll

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Deborah Ann Woll

"Walk. The Eddie Tintin podcast number nine ninety nine hundred ninety episodes. That is a lot a by the way, if you're going to be in Portland, March fourteen fifteen sixteen I'll be at helium, which is a comedy club in Portland, a very fine comedy club that I enjoy performing at so go online if you want to come to that and get tickets, you can go to Portland dot helium comedy dot com to get tickets for that. So Kim on outs. The-then candy sort of doing some music in the act. I hope it goes. Well, will it's. He won't know unless you come. All right. Let's talk about what other people are doing in the community events in ID, ten dot com. Angelo rights. I wanna share my super talented friend Gilles website. He an established tattoo artists in San Diego and one of the best humans. You will ever meet. He is branching out into a peril mixing his love of Tiki and Disney pop over to Tahiti Gill dot com. You're gonna find fun. 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Thank you to squarespace for continuing to sponsor, the ten thousand guests this episode is Deborah Ann wool who is a friend of mine and amazing and. She's promoting relics and rarities which is a show that she does what you can see on YouTube and twitch. And it's like basically like a like DVD storytelling game walk through. And she is the game master of it, and Deb is RAD. She is in the movie escape room, which came out in theaters in January and will be available to rent and buy soon, if it's not already which is a great horror movie, and I just think the world of her and her boyfriend Jay Scott who is a I've done his podcast. We talk about it EJ EJ came with her. And so he he drops into the podcast. But I love him to known him for a very long time. And I just think there are great. I like them as a unit as well. I love them individually, and I love them as a unit. So it was really really really cool to catch up with Deb and EJ in this episode number nine ninety of the ten podcasts which begins in five fall three tool. And one. Initiating identity protocol. This process is having a legitimate podcast room is literally weeks old and the nine years. I've been doing the podcast I the first chunk of time. I had a portable setup. Then I squatted a studio at the each Hanover g four was located. I squatted a studio there for a couple of years that sound bite you. Yeah. That's right. And literally across the street it was and then then when I was doing at midnight. I was doing it in one conference room, and then another conference room and then at midnight ended I was doing it at my house for a couple of years. And so this is it took nine years to get an official like podcast studio that it feels a little strange so EJ, I know you to your podcast out of the kitchen, but just know that that's that's how real podcasters still. Few years left. To get your own. Yeah. Which by the way for anyone listening scratch the surface is which I've done that which which was really fun. I've done a few times if you've done it a couple of w communism in your kitchen fairly accessible, if you if you if you just go to get milk at it. You're like, I guess I'm doing the bad now because it's. He's a moment. He's been interviewing people, I know when I walk in. And they don't want to ignore me because it's my yes, I'm suddenly in the podcast does cameo. So. Lydia Lydia does the exit cameos to and you never know. It's just like surprise surprise wife. You know, like just pops in sometimes when she's walking by. Yeah. I want to listen to your Vincent off Rio episodes tops for two hours. He's starring Benson. Grayson spin DR. Guys. He's brad. I liked the Vincent enough Rio. And he's like for as huge stars. He is the fact that he's so supportive of us like tiny Little People, So cool. Well, that's all you can tell like who the artists are. You know, it's like you meet some people they might be a little more obsessed with fame in themselves. And then you meet the real artisan isn't matter how famous they get or how successful they are. They're always going to gravitate toward the craft of stuff and the artistry of stuff, and that's why love that guy. Because when you look at his history of roles, he just picks really great actor roles, and he's good and all of them on his first movie was a Kubrick film. Right. Yeah. I mean, come on the second was of interest. There you go. Oh my God. Is as Thors like actually his name in the movie kind of? But I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he should have been nominated for performance in men in black because the performance of being a bug and a human skin and doing that believably. That's fucking acting. It was amazing. Yes, absolutely amazing us. We had a choice if like Vincent not free of movies to watch one night. And we were like we're watching men in black because that's the best one. It's it's amazing. Like, his it really looks like his skin is is spun off the axis of the skeleton, and he can barely fit in the human suits lost way. Pants if that was Daniel Day-Lewis, Daniel Day-Lewis would have had a giant cockroach put in his body to inhabit the character. Right. Then he would then he would have gotten the Oscar, but Deb we're here to talk about you today, and you you are such a fine supporter of the nerdy arts that now were you just can I just get a little bit of can. I just let let's just get some some Deb history here because I don't you always into gaming and stuff or did you involve into that? So I always wanted to be into it. But I I had a rough social start Newton. That's the building blocks. Good too. Deep player. So yeah, I didn't I didn't really have any friends when I was younger. So I didn't have anyone to play with. But I was always curious about it. And I was into other nerdy things. Like mystery science theater was my favorite television show. Now follow the rift tracks. And what's the other guys do cinema, Titanic, cinematic Titanic actually tanning, Joel? Some of that as well. And see I've been sort of following that my whole life. But yeah. And then of course, I was theater nerd, so. Yeah, I got into DND in my twenties. So a late start most sort of dungeons and never too late. It's never jeopardy late. That's a big thing. I'm trying to spread. Now. It's like we can take the intimidation factor off of it a little bit. It's just a fun game to like recapture your inner child. Yeah. Because the the last podcast last week's podcast was kind of Newman just talked all about that. And he he played when he was younger and then rekindled than twenty fifteen and so it really is. It's just one of those games that it's never too late to it's never too late to social gameplay to get together with your friends and seen a screen world. I feel like like look people in the eye and pretend to be other people. You've had some pretty epic games though. Could have I've been invited and the times that I've been invited. I was always out of town. There's like didn't didn't Steve Young. Come play with you. He was supposed to at the last minute. He couldn't import EJ had to fill in on his like level five wizard with. Complex for six our games. Oh my gosh. Kim poll and Sydney, Kwa and her husband and. Yes. Right. David. I can't remember his last name. But yeah. Right. So. Yeah. Good writer, and but yeah. So it was a long epic game there. And then I play with a bunch of my friends, I have at least like three or four games that are kind of running simultaneously. So that I can play as much as I want and the net. Yeah. And then I did this series recently. So that was like huge four month prep in shooting chunk of my life, which was amazing thing which is a and rarity rarities. If people watch it, it it almost looks like you're giving a psychic reading does it. Would you start to tell because you start? It's really interesting labels. You this storyteller? Got it is very steam punky thing. And you just start telling people about the world that it almost seems like are used communicating with the dead. Like, it's it's really fun. It's very funny. Well, first step Assode is they have to find a profit and save her. So they can get the prophecy. That's going to stop the world from endings. So it, but it really takes it takes an I liked the I like the moniker of storyteller. It was really interesting way to. To label that it's sort of open it up because in a way. That's that's really what you that's what you are sort of the game master. But do you like that role because I never liked that? I liked to play. I don't like to guide everything Stu much responsibility. I like both. I initially got into dungeon mastering because I wanted to play more, and you can't just be like, hey, dungeon master, can you please prep four games week for me? Right, right. It was a way to expand. How often I played? And I was so I loved this game. And all I wanted to do was talk about it. And in order to do that I had to kind of make my friends play with me. So dungeon mastering was a way to say. Hey, I want to introduce this to you. And hopefully, you'll get obsessed then we can talk about it all the time. What types of characters? Do you like to play? I generally like fighters. Okay. I don't I've recently made an arcane trickster which is a good mix for me because I like the kind of creative magic play rather than like evoke ation magic. But I still have my my hand crossbow, my rapier, and I can still kind of do the standard attack stuff because Lydia likes to play fighters to and I think that's very telling about her personalities because I always play wizards. And so when we problem solve Lydia's. Let's just get in there fucking attack it, and I'm like, let's talk complicated Lee about it. See if we can dispel this situation with words. Right. So get very much reflects what our personality types are. I don't know. It was interesting so Julia who's on relics and varieties and was a friend that I got to play and is now playing with me her first when I was talking about what kind of character. She would want to play. She said I want to do something kind of nonviolent. I'd like to be able to use my words, I as she sort of had that idea, and then as we started to play over the last three years, she's one of the most violent. But she doesn't have any weapons as a Bard doesn't necessarily have that as her skill on her sheet. But she finds these super creative ways to like, even with her trash talk like vicious mockery for her is like fish. That's you really. That's the other thing about playing social games in real life. Is that you really get a sense of who people are like I knew my mom had like a kind of a dark humor. But it wasn't until I played cards against humanity against with her that I realized she has a really filthy since like like really filthy censor your because she was the one dropping though worst cards right being and sort of like being up our hands. Everyone's like you win. Yeah. I don't know. Not. I can't top that. Yes. A few moments. Julius husband was like, I don't know. So it's a good way to find out. Even if you're just testing out your friends and relatives just kind of get a sense of are they how would we do in an apocalypse? What would they do? You know? But it's it's been it's interesting to hear that you to hear you say like a lot of friends when I was growing up because to me, you're such a nice friendly person. I just have a hard time picturing that I guess it's I mean, look I've spent my whole life trying to figure out what all that was about. I think it had to do with growing up. I didn't really want to grow up. I want to be a kid forever. Then when you're twelve thirteen everybody else wants to grow up, they want a drink. They wanna smoke. They wanna be mature. And I was still doing cartwheels and singing in the hallway. And I think at the time I didn't understand why everybody hated me so much, and I just thought there must be something like just innately wrong with me. And so that's been a long process of trying to flake, let go of that a little, you know, it's just yet. If you you're not supposed to show exuberance from at eighteen hundred to you're trying to look cool. Right. But the good news is if you can just survive that five years from eighteen to ninety right? It's like you want. The exuberance back like you want. So it's just like it's just getting through that one weird period where everyone's going through weird hormonal from like twenty-five until now all I've done is try to get back to that twelve year old. That's what's so funny to me about this sort of the journey that I think most humans take which is you are simultaneously trying to constantly make up for whatever happened when you're sort of when you're when you're identities like when you hit puberty, it's almost like the concrete solidifies, and and sort of whatever's written in that you're constantly trying to fix it. Because you always have that vision in your head of you being that age. Yeah, I think it's about self consciousness. It's like the moment we become sort of self aware realize that people are looking at us and thinking things when they look at us four that you don't really have that awareness. And when that happens you suddenly start to change who you are to accommodate everyone around you, and you lose a bit the essence of. Who you were as a kid and kind of fuck everyone around you, you know, what I kind of have to not an negative way. But I just mean like instead of worrying about trying to make everyone else happy or fit into everyone else's mold. I think it benefits people like you and me who had these weird social experiences when we were younger because I think it forces us to think outside the box and not necessarily have to care a rely on those social situations and really embrace more who we are rather than conforming to what other people. I mean. I did I did for a while. I definitely like shut out. And was like, oh, no one wants to hear what I have to say this. I'm going to be a really quiet girl who was only nice all the time. And now, you know, I think people are surprised to hear, you know, you're so friendly how could you not have had friends and some of that is reaction to that. Because I thought well, no one no one likes me. So I have to be the nicest person grew, but they met you became a pathetic. But sometimes empathetic, but also sometimes disregarding my own thoughts and feelings about things favor of. Someone else's to prevent them from hating see. That's good. That's positive. I also could be a complete asshole, you know, as a white person and relatively attractive like I could have been a terrible human being that privilege. And I think in some ways that experience force made a really go. Hey, look, you know, the people experience life and all different ways. And then gives gives you empathy. Then how ironic your character arc in true? Blood ironic. Then it was basically this really sheltered. Yeah. Sort of beaten down young woman who then becomes insanely powerful. And then completely rebels, right? As a result of that. That's kind of interesting that that was your character arc. Yeah. I guess though. I didn't rebel as a kid. That was that was my rebellion like in early twenties to sort of play that through the character because I didn't get to do it in my real life. So it was fun to sort of experiment with it in a really safe environment like fiction have. But I still am. Stuck on this idea that we are not we we spent so much of our adult lives trying to make up things that happen to us when we were like thirteen. Yeah. But then also recapture that time when we were thirteen as well like to so because those seem like to sort of separate things you're trying to fix but then embrace at the same time. But maybe that's I mean, maybe embracing is how you fix it. Right. And you kind of accept and I think as as we grow everyone around us grows. I don't actually hold any hard feelings against the people who upset me or anything at that time for it. Because we were all kids would you have you talked to them since then did you go down? No, that's too hard. You know? I did that once I there was a there was a girl who was a vicious bully against like when I was in junior high, and I was afraid of her, and she was just really mean. And and I ran into her again, probably when I was like thirty. And I was a little defensive at first. And then she was like, hey, by the way, I just want to know, it was really I sold to you. When you were younger. I was just having a rough time and you realize like, oh, the kit kids have to learn to act out in that way. And a lot of times, you you look back and go. Oh my God. I mean, yes, it sucks that these kids were bullies. But what was their landscape like what are they trying to work through? Now. I mean, if they were if they were dealing with those kinds of issues back, then like, how did how did they get past those, and I was very happy that this girl was able to get past it and have a emotionally healthy life. But yeah, you just never know. I bet a lot of those people be they probably wouldn't even register. I mean, I don't know. I mean, some would know now. But I think it has to do with. Yeah. Feeling alone as we all do at that age and sort of not mob mentality. But when you're in a group it's easier to do mean things than it is to do it face to face with one person. Like, I got a lot of terrible notes left for me, which is kind of a really passive way to to hurt someone because you don't have to directly take responsibility for it. But I don't know. I think I was I I've done a lot of thinking about this. I I don't I don't think it was anything. I did. I just think I was easy target as your target. I think it's easier to attack the kid who's gonna cry then to attack the kid is going to fight not only that. But and especially we see this with social media too. But the kid who cries people almost wanted to attack them more. Maybe you know, what I mean? Like, it it it's a strange. I don't know if it's just a weird animalistic, lizard brain thing. It's like attack the week thing. It's week. We have to throw it out of the pack as opposed to you know, it really does take a higher a higher form of thinking and being involved to nurture someone who is in pain, especially especially at that age. We recently tried to watch Burnham's eighth grade. And I got about twenty minutes in and just had like a I couldn't I'd panic attack. We turn it off. Because if assistant thing it was kidding me. Too. Two styles. Drivers. Yeah. To personal is really something kind of ancient in me that just kinda like roared up, and I went, whoa. I can't deal with this on like a Tuesday night. When I tomorrow, we'll watch this Gringo too many things. It's just one of those movies that like I haven't seen. But I know is incredible. Effected me so strongly, but there's something about. The scene. I got to the scene in the pool. I don't know if anybody's seen it where she's invited to this party that no one wants her at and she goes, and there's this long tracking shot of her walking into the pool, and there's all these people around her having fun, and they're all ignoring her. But they know she's there. So it's this weird feeling of being hated and being so conspicuous and also being completely invisible that feeling of being isolated in a public space is really fucked up. You know that everyone is thinking hateful things about you. But they're completely ignoring your existence at the same time. I that's a a bizarre unique experience. But I think a lot of people feel that now maybe, you know, just in terms of because that's that can be again that can be like what social media feels like it's like it's crowded, but isolating at the same time well to take this in a positive direction from that, the wonderful thing about relics, and Verity is there's been this lovely positive supportive response to it as I was especially nervous as a female GM because you know, there's been issues. With gaming community in allowing women to kind of be present. And that, but it has been overwhelmingly wonderful. So what I've read I don't think the misogyny in that case is the is by far the majority of people often be the loudest. It is the loudest smallest percentage, but most aggressive since it again, you know, like if you and that's why I think it's important for you to do stuff like this because the more you do it the more it shows other young women all I can do this too. And then the more that those numbers are supported the more. It sorta mutes out all the other angry voices, and it just becomes the norm. Yeah. And it's been great because relics, and is this basically like twelve year old Deborah from start to finish. And for the first week after it was airing. I kind of kept shaking I couldn't stop myself from shaking all the time. And I think it was just because it was a validation of that little girl who had never been liked before. And I was like, here's you. Thinking thinking game and everyone liked it. And I was like, oh, it's okay. To like that little girl again, she's being validated dated, and it was nice to feel like that was getting released a little bit. So now, the big question is I this is I love this question. And I hope I hope I hope you appreciate it. If. If you had the ability to go back and do all of that. Would you or do you feel like it sucked? But it made me who I am. And I am stronger and more empathetic, and it made me all these wonderful things that I am now. So I accepted embrace that. That's what I went through to become who I am. Look, I I wouldn't wish that experience on my worst enemy, right? Even watching that movie and stuff like that. I think a big response to it as well. It was like, I wouldn't I still don't know what to tell that girl. Even as a grownup. I don't know how to fix that problem. I don't know how to help someone feel better in that situation. Yes. It made me who I am today. And for the most part I like who I am today. So that's a good thing. I would maybe mitigated a bit. I mean, I wouldn't say that anyone should choose that. Yeah. But if it happens, and you're able to get through it, and then ultimately become stronger and inspire other people and make sure that because I think for me. That's why I was that's why I've always been as positive and like all nerds, welcome kind of thing because. Yeah, I was I went through a lot of rough stuff in grade school too. And I never wanted anyone to feel it again. And so I guess for me I feel like it was worth it for me to go. Through that if I can create a world where a lot of other people feel accepted insurance. Okay, and feel supported so that it, you know, because if I hadn't gone through that who like maybe I wouldn't have been in a in a good head space now possibly, and I mean, I agree. I think that's my experience as well. But I also come in, you know, no, no number. I've there are a lot of people who had that same experience that what the opposite direction that are gatekeepers. They're saying. Hey, you were mean to me when I liked the stuff when I was a kid now that you're in do it, you're Opposers or you're not real. And now, they're keeping everybody out. So it's the sort of the same experience that depending on who you're keeping anybody out there. But that's a sad way to live it. But you don't just don't have to engage in that. You can just I mean, the great thing. The great thing is is that. Yes, if someone goes out of their way to say something shitty too. That is on them, and that is their responsibility, and they're trying to spew their baggage. And venom onto you to bring you down to their level. But in as much as you allow them to do that, you don't have to contribute to that. You can you can just show our block you can ignore. You can don't give them that power. Sure. I guess I guess my point is the same grade school experienced spawned two very different reactions. Yes. So if we put too much of the responsibility on that experience. Go either way. Whereas I like to think that something about who. I am at my core. My parents all these things that allowed me to use that experience in a positive way. Whereas someone else who maybe doesn't have as many positive influences might use that experience in the negative. But then when kids are super popular in grades. Like that. That can also have a pretty devastating negative effect too. Because it. You know, it's like that that can fuck with your identity and that can fuck with the. I mean, the the bottom line is most people just don't have an easy time are growing up. You know, like even kids that you think have it all figured out there, you probably don't very true. But again, you know, I don't want you to think that I'm saying it's great that you had this experience. But because it's obviously shucks and Keithly affecting and I I understand it too. But I just you know, my hope is that if people are going through at that they're able to grow from it and do something positive with it. And not do what what you're saying. Which is you know, then re expressing, you know, like re-express seeing that over and over and over again, I think you're right that it's then our responsibility as people who have come through it on the other side to be inclusive and open and say, yes, where I think parents parenting comes in the sort of the emotional DNA stuff is how you're able to how you're able to get through it. Yeah. And you know, if a kid has shitty, parents, you know, what I mean? Well, then yet, my heart goes out to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's why again, I think it's really important to you know, I almost feel like some of us have more responsibility to try to put positively in the world just to help anyone who's just trying to find something to grasp onto you know, and. I know you're quite a bit younger than I am. So you you probably your young life. You did you probably did have internet stuff, but in the eighties when I was in grade school and high school and stuff it was just like, well, I got a couple of friends, you know, like, I'll just talk to them. I guess I grew up in the ninety s and we didn't have your friends weren't on the internet that something I think Facebook came out when I was in college or something like that to all of this is really new actually we're talking ten fifteen years that any of this stuff has been around. So so, yeah, I mean my generation is right on that cost. What we grew up without internet. But we were young enough. When it started for it to be of significant in brightens in our lives. So I don't I don't. I don't default to the internet for my friend group. It is absolutely still people in my life. It's personally in my life. What advice do you have for people who are going through a rough time or feel like they're being sort of t- beaten down by the by the their social structure, or whatever. Like you. You must have some some words of wisdom. I mean, it's so hard when your kid I the only thing I've been able to come up with is is what we've been talking about. Which is that it's probably more about them than it is about you and having trying to hold onto your own. Not not giving up your identity because you've been told that it's no good, and nobody likes it. You know, I wanna put you a crazy idea. Are you ready for this? I'm gonna fix you a crazy idea, you should write a book. I should write about. I'm not kidding. You know, not only just for for other people. Yeah, yourself maybe because I even if you never publish it. Yeah. If you if you're able to. If you're able to write a book that sort of walks through all that. And you know, what it feels like to feel bullied, and then what you do with that and through gaming and through social interaction, and and you know, this sort of idea of like always embracing Cartwheel's, I think has has a positive message. I just something. I would I think you should think about it. Because I think it would I think it would help a lot of people. But I think it would really help you too. I think he just name is embracing Cartwheel's embracing cartwheel cartwheel. What did you say? It was before you was like you were saying like that always something does the cart wheels. I always singing in the halls and doing cartwheels. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Singing the halls and doing cartwheels. I mean, it's just I think I'll do cartwheels carbon really fun. They are fun. It's like a full stick extension of your body, which we don't we never do as adults. We're always sitting with our arms crossed our legs crossed known as kids were always like energies out and away from you. And so yeah, I've been really writing your introduction now. Yes. But I do I feel like we all adults need to whether it's exercise or sports or dance or whatever you do just something that like forces you to extend your limbs as far as they go is simple and physical is that I think is so just releases everything telling you, I think it's a good idea. I wrote I wrote a fictional book. Couple of them. But the one I'm thinking about it's actually I dedicated it to kids kids who are not yet ready to teenagers because that was the most important time in my life is sort of right before that happened fictional just about kids running around and playing make believe and having fun and. I think what's so interesting about that time period. Is you kind of you can kind you're kind of a wear. You can see your childhood slipping away your conscious of the fact that you're changing you have one foot in childhood in one foot in adulthood, and it's like when do you make that choice to sort of transfer your weight? That's just such an interesting time period. I since then I have not experienced another one. I don't know. Maybe you do with children or something like that between being an adult, and then being a parent and something that could be a transition. I don't know. But yeah, I don't know that that time period, usually fascinates me. It is interesting. And it's also it also. And I haven't read a ton about it. So I apologize. If my facts are. Are wrong. But I've been just sort of glancing and kind of catching some headlines that Justin Bieber is now openly saying like, I'm really struggling with anxiety, and depression, and all sorts of weird emotional stuff shirt. So it's like, you know, most people would look at that kids child and be like with the book to see if he was and it's like, yeah. Everyone, you know, it's we can't ignore what an important time period. That is like you said when you are becoming it is that I think when you I imagine it's because of like hormones and puberty or whatever that you become self aware. And that is a very important time in credit like the most important time. Probably. And so just to see that that someone like that is saying is is now openly saying like, yeah, I was really I'm really having a lot of problems brave. It is it is it is. But also it just shows you like most no one has no one has an easy time. I would argue his probably harder because a lot he had to do all that on public stage and with pressure from all sides and with job. I dunno job when I was thirteen. Yeah. Exactly. It's like anything, you get more of is going to require more responsibility, more stress more. It doesn't matter if it's more money more work more relationships more anything external requires more responsibility. You know, I mean like when you moved from an apartment into a house, you probably really got you always thought. Oh my God. I've always wanted to have a house, and you have a house and. So everything is broken. And it's never Vic. And it's my fault. It's my responsibility now. Yeah. Exactly. And then they opened up a wall. And then you're like, what did you find five thousand dollars more worse? Oh, yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So it's you know, like everything's kind of trying to figure out how to how to embrace it and accept it. And and just figure out how to move with life. I guess, but it or did you shoot all the episodes of your show is it did does we shot them all in a week? So we did two a day with a day off in between. Yeah. I mean, it was like a dream come true. I've played I played DVD for like forty hours a week or something like that. I also, and I did I did play testing of all of the episodes for the month before. So I had played all of the episodes at least once with a different group of people. So I just like d- heaven for three months. That's fantastic. Right. It's so great and one of my favorite things. I love playing the same d module with different groups because no one ever solves the problems the same way twice. Right. And I came up with this idea of using magical trinkets 'cause a lot of the the magic items d- are super powerful. So it's a plus to sword and it just kind of Hanson's your abilities. And I wanted stuff that like seemed really mundane like a spool of thread, but it's super super strong and nearly invisible. So what it is? It's not actually that powerful in and of itself. But it is if you use it in an interesting way, so I let them choose these trinkets before each episode, which allows them to creatively, use them. But it completely changes. How that adventure goes down the other groups chose different items. And so there. Venter's were completely different. And that's what I think. I think the other Sierra power behind being a game or storyteller, whatever you wanna call. It is that since you know, since you're sort of the guy that world, right? If someone makes choice you have to not react and go fuck, are you sure you want to head or oh my God. What a great idea like you ought to be neutral. My my answer to that is it's always the louder. It's always. Oh my God. That's a great idea. Even if it's a terrified or even if it's scary. And you don't even know how it's gonna work out. You say, yes, absolutely. Let's do it. Yeah. That's really fun. I mean, that's that's a great. That's really great nuanced way to play with the game as well. And that as the sort of the master of the game. That's where you really, you know, 'cause they only have to play with what you set before this. You know, so it's like it's creative as they can be. They only have the tools that you're giving them. So you really have to. To. I mean, it's like it away. It's like being a director. You're basically, I mean when I try to do especially in a show like this where I had to have everything written before because we shot so quickly. So it's not a free world. And that they can go wherever they wanted anytime. But I give them a quest. It's in one location, and they kind of have to stick to that. However every single adventure. I wanted to make sure they were least three different paths that they could choose to get to the end of that quest. So they had a lot of choice within the adventure to have free. Well, what that means is there's like two thirds of the material in every single adventure was unused which is great because I can use it later, but it is sort of fun to be like, well, which one are they going to pick. And are you are you planning on doing more of these? Or do you just now that you have to game modules I'll setup like are you I would love to. I mean, I I know we're talking about a season two that's really up to whether they think they can swing at it. He can sundry. They're excited about it. And we'll keep talking. But I would I would love to do more. And then the movie that you. When does when does escape room come out was out an early Janet was that an early January? Oh, listen, I watched it last night so much fun because loves she loves escape rooms. Okay. And I like them, but I also don't like being locked in a room. So like there's a little when I go do an escape room. I have to do a little bit of like prep. Bark a little like, okay? It's okay. Like, there's if you know. Yeah. Going to be locked in forever. If they're the weirdo. You don't like being locked in. Since romney. Yeah. Whatever being locked in a room and have to figure out how to get just like a tax it like, she's just she loves it. But you know, there were a couple of things in your movie where I was like, okay. He's got crawl through the thing. You know, like, I can feel I was having a visceral reaction to just imagining designed to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like when I when I go to the times I've done this gave her multiple casually converse with the people who work there to just try to like like so tell me a little bit. Any any tight spaces just out of curiosity? I'm sort of or is it. Oh, yes. This or this or this? But I still I still I do enjoy doing them. Have you have you been do you guys go I've never done escape room? Really? Nope. It's the social aspect that scares me the most I would have to go with people. I know really well, and I think the the pressure to be like smart in state. That's a little that's a little much for me. I for me DND isn't escape room in setting up creative problems. But the nice thing is that d you can solve it in any way. One. Once you start doing it physically. There's only one or two ways you can solve the problem right back. That restrictions starts to get my heart racing and scary. I would I would do if I found the right group of people. But yeah, I don't know D is my escape. That's a great. That's a great way to think about because ultimately, it's you know, it's a Safeway. It's perfectly safe way to do that just creative problem solving. I mean, do you did you ever guess that you would work on so many things that revolve around phantoms? No. I was a classical theatre nerd, so I thought I was going to go to London and do Shakespeare for the rest of my life. And then I got really lucky and true blood happened, and I moved to daredevil right after that. But like, I'm not a vampire person, I'm not even really at comic book person, those weren't things that I grew up admiring. I've learned a lot about them having done those series. But yes, I I don't know. I think now that the show is over, and I'm I'm sort of available again, I can kind of go back to those early obsessions and the classical theater and sort of see if I can make that a bigger part of my life. Again, there is I don't know what it is. But I have a weird thing where I'll I'll watch a series, and it's a lot of times. I don't watch the last handful of episodes listing and that that happened with true blood. I got to the latte lake couple up. So it's into the last season that I stopped watching. And it also happened with deadwood. I didn't watch the last couple of episodes for a. Couple years now. I mean, it's just like there are few series that I just I like living I like being in the world. And it's and for some reason like I don't want to complete it. Because then I feel like it's done interesting. And so it's sort of hard for me to. I mean, like, you know, obviously, I watched all the breaking bad because I file I did the after show friends so I had to. But if I hadn't I probably would have waited the last few episodes because there are just some shows that I just don't want to be done. Do you finish them years later? Like, yes, it's kind of. Yeah. Once it's kind of pass, and I sort of feel like all, right? All right. I think maybe it's time I'll get curious. And then I'll just sort of I could grieve now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But there are some. And that also happens with Dr Who and there's a doctor change like I don't watch right away. Because it's like there's just something about shutting the door. The funny thing is it's like, well, those episodes still exist. It's not like the you couldn't go back and experience it all again. But there's just something about the closure in my own mind of those things. So I actually still don't know how true blood because I didn't want it though episode because I was I watched the whole series. So it just yeah. I don't know. I don't know. What I don't know. What that is. That's okay. Were you happy the way the show ended? I mean, it's been enough time. Now, I. If I'm perfectly honest, I probably wouldn't have had Jessica get back together with Hoyt not because I didn't like them. Spoiler alert. If it's if you haven't watched in the last six years. You know, what that's on me? If I haven't watched by now, the spoiler is on my phone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not because I didn't I didn't love that relationship. I thought that was really a very cool story. And I had a great time telling that story with Jim I just felt like. I learned that we'd learned something about who. Jessica was from that relationship, and that she had moved on and changed and involved a little bit like reversing direction to me, not that I would have actually been perfectly happy if Jessica and ended up with no man, you know, so much of her story was about her father and all the ideas that he had put in her head the human father, and and then that relationship playing out a little bit with Bill and a different way. And I would have loved to have seen her just kind of supporting herself and excited about the woman that she was and I don't know that I love the idea that her story became about settling down, especially because it seems like the psychology of that character would have been ultimately to accept who. She was and not, you know, not necessarily have to like you said you have to be with anybody. It's like, yes, she came out of this bad relationship with her father, and then this weird relationship becoming a vampire, and then the various. Like went through sort of her wild time with Ryan quantities character. How did I forget his character is named Jason Jason? Yeah. And and then ultimately, it seems like she would have been like okay now, I'm a strong well-adjusted factor. And I'm just going to of be on my own for a while losing losing a father figure like Bill against boiler at the end there. That you know, that's. You asked me about the. I did did I that's that's a strong enough. That's a huge experience in a young person's life. And that that to me would have been enough of an exploration and say that's her next stage. She's losing the quote unquote, men in her life who've been her support system are literally in some ways leaving and and this is about her taking a step into her own life, and and leaving that behind and learning to trust herself. And I don't know it ended up feeling a little bit like passing her from build from quite Jason to Bill back to wait. And I I if I had had my own choices, I probably wouldn't have gone that direction, and it well at the core of it, though, the show was basically like a vampire soap opera, and so it's like that to me just feels like a textbook soap opera thing. Like, oh, let's just wrap them up and put them in this. I mean Spinelli's are impossible on almost all shows. They're very few people who do finale in a really interesting creative way. And it does feel like you have to wrap up a little bit and something like. That relationships kind of happily coming to a close as how all things end. Shakespeare, did it terribly. So many times, you know. So, you know, I it's not as I don't even mean it as a criticism against what they ended up doing. I just know that for myself when I thought about her story, I would have gone into different direction. Well, since you are her I feel like. You can just say that's what happens and no one can dispute that because that's what you get to appearance sake and Ritchie and went their own ways. You guys could just shoot us shoot. Like a five minute video where you're like, quite I'm fine. I don't I you're nice off to Alaska with you. You're nice, but I'm gonna go my own way and do my own thing. And you're just clean of Louisiana. Cool. Cool million. Right off into the sunset by yourself and be on your your support structure. What else are you? Are you working anything else now that you're excited about no, I am unemployed for fun employed to someone told me to call it? But I'm trying to look at that as like available when you're on a TV series while it's fantastic. Because you always have this job to look forward to it. Also, means you very limited time in which you can fit in other things like film or theatre. And so I've really missed the I've done like one place since college, and that that is not what I wanted to be doing with my career. And so no, yeah. Now, I've been meeting with a lot of people auditioning and trying to find my way into these other mediums, and explorer them a little bit rather than sort of jumping right into television, again where for the next six years if your life, you're kind of in one place doing one thing, and unless something really special pops up, I think I'm going to focus on these other areas in a book. I'm going to write a book. Right. That's why like especially when especially when performers are. You know, we we are conditioned in to think like if I am not working. I do not exist. Oh, obviously, there's the financial aspect of out, of course, need to make money to survive. But also our identities are so attached our careers, and I feel like if there's a way to detach our identities from our careers and work is just a thing that we do because we enjoy it because we have to do it. You'll validated. I think that's an important thing to try to learn and I'm still trying to learn it too. But I think in the time that we have off we should always embrace that time and develop passions in new skills and stuff or write a book, or like, you know, I've been taking piano lessons and studying Italian plan time, and that's just for me. And I think that's really important because like Jessica going off into the sunset on her own. When you can do that weirdly, I think it attracts the more work and more stuff in a way because you're. Not needy about it. You know what? I mean. Like, you're comfortable with who you are. And then when it comes it comes, but you're essentially fulfilled and satisfied. Right. And that's the goal. It's like the goal shouldn't be to get something to be fulfilled goals should be you feel fulfilled. And then you get to do something that your joy. Right. So I think this I think fun employment is kind of a cool way to put that because I think it is a gift because you will work again, and you will get busy again. And then at a certain point you'll be like really wish I could just I'm glad you believe that because astronaut having all kinds of anxiety working. It's not what you will. Well, that's another thing why the DND is really helpful because it's creative. It's it's mind. You know, like in terms of the D, I'm not a brick in the wall. It's my wall right now and everybody else, and we're all collaborating to build this wall that kind of comes off of my blueprint, and that's really exciting place to be because for most of my acting work by the time anything gets to me so much of it has been designed already that for me. It's really about how do I fit into this? As seamlessly as possible and strong as I that's where the that's where the big stuff comes through. It's like. You know, when you spend so much time trying to fit into other people's infrastructure trying to get jobs trying to be the right person for friends to like you trying to be that. But when you embrace who you are and embrace what you excited about then, that's where magical things happen. That's you know, everything that I created started. Because that you look at the critical role people, and it's like. They weren't working ton before critical role. So they had this free time to embrace this thing that they loved, and then all the sudden they may become thing that is enormous. And it's like if they had been focusing on trying to fit into other people's things, they they all draw talented, they would've worked. But would it have been a special as this thing? Maybe not probably not right. No. And now, so that's why I think these moments are gifts because you really get to like rather than thinking about how I fit into other people's things and get people to like me get people to hire me. What do I like what a what do? I what am I going to enjoy? And I think that's where the magical stuff comes from this time. You have is. You know, honestly, you shouldn't you shouldn't be you shouldn't feelings -iety you're terrified by. You're seeing a lot of theater you don't previously with my job. I wasn't able to see very much because you never knew when you were working in. I don't want to put down two hundred dollars for a ticket to something that suddenly I can't make right. So yeah. So that's been great kind of rediscovering my excitement for that. I've been reading a lot of plays talking about them and Twitter's that's cool. Maybe the book you write will be a play. Maybe maybe it's play out right to play. Oh, my God, these possibilities. You can do whatever you will all play twelve year olds. That's not a bad idea. Isn't that? The isn't that the the idea behind Penn fifteen? Yes. And there was actually there is a there's a play currently out. None of its recently where that's it as well. They're all kids, but dolts playing themselves as kids that's fantastic. So what else are you guys doing? What what else is going on? We have three dogs that that's really what the fun employment is about taking care of three dollars. And I see three dogs when I was at your place, or did, you know, we we adopted too from Puerto Rico last year, and they came in October October the year before giving four. But they were daycare when you came over for that go, right? It's been a bit much for them about. Yeah. No, no, no, no. For the for the for the barbecue. Those two there about a year and a half. And then we've got a five year old dog. And yeah, unfortunately, they're all sick right now. Diarrhea? What about the dogs? Hey, guys, come on anybody. But I know how much our lives revolve around poop, and that doesn't even include our own. Other creatures poop is a huge part of our life. Poon? So much so much poop embrace. But not you don't embrace the poop during a car that creates a really that's an art. That's that's an art. It's a literal viral video. That's an art installation is what that is. Why are you guys travelling at all I mean, I just went to New York for a week for meetings and theater and stuff like that? And see my family 'cause that's where I'm from EJ is going to go for quick trip now, but again with three dogs, you don't travel. I just I enjoy you both as a couple so much known EJ for so long. Yeah. My friend, Mike firm, and I did some of his first benefit very, I do very personally. I wasn't I oh west right? Two thousand four for we met EJ longer than I have. I have. Yeah. It's actually not as intimately but well. No. We didn't tell you. Yeah. It was two thousand four you know, like, no I found. As we were, you know. A wild time was crazy. If it was if it was really fun, the one you did was really interesting because like Lisa lamp Nellie was in it. Blink a patch was so funny. Matt Besser was. There are so many good. Good lineup of mo- Collins. So make good Gandhi daily. And how's the how's the research going? Like it to go better. But it's going. Okay. I guess I'm not in the mix or anything. But. Human trials here there on clinical. Trials for the second stage of clinical trials for people. And I'm looking I'm thinking of looking into NFL eligible involved. I'm going blind. I don't know. Should we set this? Tell people. I do I pronounce it. Right. Corrado Ramia perfect. Perfect. I haven't going blind from an eye disease. Coke ROY arena, degenerative hereditary, and my family. My brother has it. He's legally blind. Now, two nephews that habits. My grandfather was blind. But I can. Doing fundraisers and raising money since two thousand three and fifth doing marathons over the all over the world. And we have a lot of cool auctions and stuff because people that I work with are always great and supportive. They give us a lot of cool stuff and sign a lot of cool stuff. You've signed stuff for us and things. So we always have cool stuff for selling anything you on anything. That's hopefully, we'll then all that money goes to supporting the research few signed after it to my God son for a half an hour. He comes and stuff for him. That's really cool. That that's really really cool. And so, well, I hope if people want to find out more about the cure C, H dot work, and that's a critter India research foundation website, and you could donate and learn more there. Thank you. Let me plug God. Of course, the foundation fighting blindness is doing a lot of good work. Well, they cover all the spectrums of. I I is it basically does I remember correctly that it's basically like your peripheral vision becomes more and more. It's like you start to lose. Yeah. Looking through straws or something? Right. Right. Right. I'm not quite at the straw with Seattle. But I'm getting there. It's more. Like, you know, if you Cup your hand, it's like that. And you look through it. Yes. So yeah. Pretty awesome. Pretty cool. It is though. I mean, again, it's it's just the it's the idea that you are taking something and trying to do something good with it. And I feel like I was just thinking about this today that when we feel bad about things that are going on our lives that we feel bad about ourselves. You know, what one option is you try to get other people to make you feel better. Which is something that's very human. It's something we all do. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I also find that when you feel bad when you try to do stuff for other people it actually makes you feel better than if you just were having other people try to make you feel better about yourself and you've done so much good stuff for the research. And for other people think you'd think by it has helped me, you know, I get strangers asking me for advice who have this disease or who knows somebody that has it. Nigga? What do you do? I always say two things I say is get therapy. And be proactive and do something you may not raise a million dollars. But at least you'll feel like, oh, he's doing something. Right. Well, I'll say this is a side effect. So we met on match some news. We met on match dot com. Back in two thousand seven. The beta beta version of match dot com. That's good luck. Man. Maybe. And I'll say this, you know, he was very very open and honest about his condition and the way that he was dealing with it in his profile and not that I wouldn't have thought he was attractive or something if he hadn't put that in there. But that really spoke to me, and I said, well, here's a guy who's really honest. He's really open and that was an attractive quality. It's like you got a girlfriend out of it. It wasn't like that right away. While I got diagnosed in when I was twenty seven. So it took me about a year to process all and start telling people took maybe a year or two to actually start telling people benefit shows, it took me a couple of benefit shows before I was on stage and say, I have this. That's why I'm doing, you know, how do those benefit shows and people will be like, why are you doing that? And what does this thing with the super complicated? Name, you know. But when you're one of the benefits is called like hard to pronounce harder to cure. Comedians make something out of it can Jennings came up with that. Yeah. It's it's it's I think ownership is important. And when you you feel like you have that secret or shares machine, and you know, my my nephews they just got told a few months ago that they have it and they're ten and fourteen now like another Shand. And that was something that was really hard for my sister to kind of wrap her head Arash is hoping for a cure by now. You know, we've known that it was possible that she'd pass that on for their entire lives. So it's it's it's I I'm I'm a fan of openness and honesty. So there's like ordering the groups on Facebook and stuff, and I'm usually telling people that are new to it is in just just try to try to have a home environment. That's open and honest, and that you can talk to each other for openly about it. Go. Writing like, we're hanging out with friends with kids or something, and they'll C J with his cane, let me like what's this and they wanna play with it. And I've always been really impressed torch back out get it's a swatting. Stick. I've always been really impressed with how you sort of just very calmly because it's a scary thing to kind of try to explain to someone this especially young person. And they've been really cool about it walk through the streets. And I hear kids with their parents and. Yeah. Back pressure like well because he has his because of the a lot of them are very common. So just dump point stared up haven't been. They're like, hey, you know, I can still hear you. Fucking. Maybe don't do that next to a guy kid that's the lesson. That's an interesting thing though to learn as well is how against like binary. Our thoughts are about blindness and disability in certain areas that like EJ still have some vision. Centrally that doesn't mean he doesn't have all the struggles that come with it. But how many people will see him like look at his phone on the street with his cane and be like get confused or angry or think he's faking, and it's really complex issue that we don't talk about very much. Yeah. I mean, this goes back to fuck. Everyone being judgmental stolen valid or something. What do you do that? I just saw you look at survey yadda. Number one down your business, chairman asking you for anything three nine. But I also get it a little bit before bright was diagnosed I would see people canes, and they're able to look at something. And I was always fascinated by binding because my grandfather was blinding. So, but he was fully behind the whole time. I knew him. So I was always thought like they're using this stick. Not if education about blindness is the long short of it even like my own fan, but just curiosity. I think curiosities solve so much stuff. So rather than having a determination and feel like, you know, something already curiosity like what you get. It's sort of like what you said before. And it is this is for everything conversation is the cure. You know, it's like you. I mean, it's the cure for ignorance, you have conversations you're able to discuss, but you have to be curious in order to have conversations, and I find that people are can be quicker to judge then to have conversations. I mean, you I really do believe that empathetic intelligent people. When a situation arises empathetic intelligent, people will always ask questions. I and arrogant, people will tell you what they think you can always tell it's like, maybe someone comments on it Instagram post or something, and they've just they'll tell you why this thing that you posted is dumb thing. You didn't ask? Any questions about this? I'm guilty of that too. Well, everyone is like it's a very human thing because we're trying to sort through so much information. And it requires a lot of energy to ask questions that requires a lot of energy to take each individual situation with its own merits and to dive deep and it's easier, especially as we get older and more overwhelmed with information. It's just easier to just make judgment and just tell people what you think, but empathetic intelligent, people will always ask questions. One hundred forty characters is a lot easier to make a statement that the ask a cushion to eight hundred eighty two gosh, allies and ask for all the wonderful things that social media has given us in terms of connection and being able to be involved with the more degrees diverse group of people and share experiences with a larger group of people. You know, all of those things are really positive. I mean are auctions wouldn't be nearly a successful thing over five thousand dollars. So yes, so it's incredibly incredibly grateful and impressed the social media, but it. It also encourages concurrent as us all to think that are everyone wants to know what we think about everything, you know, it encourages that idea. And I do think we're we're slowly being eaten alive by me versus you. Yes. That's how the robots take over the dice elitist. I just I and keep us from choking together. And then and then we're easy to pick off like we're in the the robot apocalypse, isn't Terminator stepping on skull and a field of human bone. It's we're in it now. Your the apocalypse right now, we're all being divided. And what was that? Would that social media? Look like, it's just robots running everything. And they have opinions just act as well. I don't know. But I think was it Google someone basically turned on at a I think there was actually. I think there was an episode of was it Bob cats show monsters and madman about it. Or was it a black mayor? Anyway, there was a there was an AI that they turned on. And there were two is and they very quickly start like created their own language to like, you know, I'm not saying to keep the humans out. But basically it kept the humans out, and they immediately shut it off like, oh, yeah. This thing is already communicating in in a much in a completely different way. And so it would be a language that we wouldn't recognize you know, what's the equivalent to a dick pic for a robot. Zeroes? Handful of screws. Yeah. No, it's it's the old to Ascii art where you basically form a dick outta like in parentheses. You know, I think that's nothing. That's probably because back to the early days of where we can load pictures. So we had to create Ascii based. That's interesting though, because I mean, girls boys boys doing that forever. When I was a kid, and there was no internet. They Dixon everything. They drew them. Now, you don't have technology. So you don't have to draw them any book and chimps just you're obsessed with penises. It's the only thing we have thanksgiving was Freud talked about penis envy. From women. I'm like, no boys are the only people who talk about being. It's literally the only thing we have. We have nothing else to offer. We we our thoughts are very linear and simple. Like, we don't, you know, like, we can't think about more than one thing at a time. We don't have complex lots. It's just like, you know, it's definitely I almost feel like, you know, once, you know, what's the you could just take sperm out of us and not have to. I'm not sure we're going to have much. Use each has complex thoughts. I think I was just thinking how can we get a PS on the alien? Is there a way to do that? Yeah. Yeah. Just seem a little top. Just if you just draw like a little slick like right here. How it is. It took me less than three seconds out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But that's just you know, so much of our identity revolves around that area that I think we just, you know, it's like, that's literally what we I have no desire to drop a giant as on things. I like that just that doesn't even occur to me. In my original original because we have a guest book, which is now a Zelda theme guestbook. But this is the third podcast guest. Book the first one was this Chewbacca smoke that we call Chewbacca. And it's the everyone from that a couple of years signed it and Clive Barker drew a giant penis because it's Clive Barker wearing a lot of his art, really if you've ever do the podcast from his house, and there's just like paintings of Dick's every so it's just a part of his art. It's very phallic and the next arch Kieft at that, large eggs. Doesn't example from the other half of the James. Oh, so this should make you happy that because the like the next handful of people because Clive Barker, John, dick, Dale, drew their version of Dennis Ken, Gillian Anderson was on the podcast, and she was like fuck this Android giant vagina. And it was that it was the lack of the better. The word the period at the end of of all of these because no one drew anything after that. Like, she had the definitive follow this. So. Yeah. So I was at USC all the fountains are very phallic. It's all water shooting up in the air at it's the Trojan the Trojan but outside of the theater building. We had a Jahic fountain. We had a fountain that went in and all the water sort of fell in all proud of this really cool. That's really cool. So what we've learned is that. China's on everything. Address feminist wave. It's just draw a giant. That'd be fun. I also I also want to reinvent the word bitch. And you remember when bitch and was a cool thing. Does that car is bitten that needs to be? What pitch means again? Like I want to bitch cave. Yeah. Right. And it's like this awesome place to hang out in my bitch cave. I was joked on that was really funny you should make in your bitch. Cape would have DVD stuff in it. I would imagine DVD stuff in all of my MST's. I'm not a big AC person. So it would be a very small bitch gay Bill guy. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. But it doesn't like camping stuff. I keep my camping stuff and my bitch. What's your bitch cave? You can have anything you want. And I want you can literally have it. That's. That's. Airship themed wallpaper. Now are your. Punky wallpaper. But if you do another season relics and rarities could you would you say welcome to the bitch. Isn't it? It's so because it's pretty fancy like your sets. Now, we are real fancy set. I don't know. I mean, I don't know the Curio shop so much of what I was trying to do it that is to give kind of feminine twist on it. So it's not a tavern. It's a cure. It's an antique store, you know, that like adventure comes from everywhere on the against taverns. But like, I don't drink. So that's not that. I think is interesting for me. So I wanted it to be in a place where it was the last place you'd ever expect there to be magic. But then like, so your grandmother, I said it should look like your grandmother's attic. And you know, you go on your grandmother's adequately. This is all junk, why don't you just throw this all away? She takes antique roadshow makes four thousand dollars. So like there's value in things that don't look value again. That's how you that's how you DM the game. Yeah. So, you know, your grandmother might have a magic school of threads totally. And how would you know, unless you took an shop is Greg yourselves, a great setting because that like every object is magical in some way, and that and you look around like I'm obsessed with antiques because. Everything I love anything that has a story, you know, and has lived a life. And we are essentially, you know, I mean, I think most people buy stuff, and they think like this is mine forever. And I look at everything that I have is like I I'm a curator of this staff for in this for this period of time. And then hopefully, someone else will pass it like, we'll get it. And they will curate it. And then pass it and curate it and pass it now that sort of. You know that sort of ignoring that in fifty years or one hundred years the things that are new now will then be tanks. But I just love the idea that that every everything has some sort of a story behind whether even if it's not all that least that it's handmade or, you know, by left stuff on Oetzi for that reason. So it's just the Curio. Shop is a great setting for storytelling. Because literally every object has a story straight one. And I have the ideas that professor around one was the premier editor on the compendium of curiosities, which is basically a collection of relics and rarities wonderful things that she sent adventure out to do research on. So what it does is? It gives me a starting place for any adventure. I could ever want to do because you can just pick an item out of the compendium, and I can create an adventure about how to go find it. I mean, you could have any any you can start every episode with an object from the Curio show say this this is the thing, and we need more of it or somebody is going to get the other half. Whatever it is. And you've got an adventure out of that. See it's a really nice little sort of melting pot of. Story to go from end, it's kind of creepy, but also kind of beautiful, and I know. I love the name. I was like there's a secret in my descriptions of the Curio shop because we didn't know exactly how we were going to do the set. But in my descriptions, I said so the storefront looks very ordinary, but there's the secret door that leads to her back storeroom. And that's where where we'll play and they actually built me a secret bookcase that like flips out and everything when you pull a book, everyone should have a secret right again, like childhood wonderfulness, like when I was a kid all I ever wanted with like a tiny little like kids shaped door that you could crawl through and have a secret little place base. And so I wrote that into the first adventure in bent the manner. I have a tree on the wall that you knock on it. And you have to tell it a knock knock joke, and then it'll open, and you can crawl through into a secret level tastic. But then if you're Corliss, then you walk into a very dangerous place. That same age. Remember, bud stir that show Jimmy with Emmanuel Lewis. Yeah. Of core of note. I just think it'd be. Straightened out thinking about he had like secret passages in this house in that show. Jim I kind of don't remember like I remember watching the show, but I don't remember exactly what happened on the show. I remember the actors on the show. So he he'd just basically crawled through the house. If you move the clock ladder, I've loved Batman has his secret. You know, you pull the head and he goes down the poll to the back. You know, Nancy drew is all about hidden staircases. And what was the other ones just thinking about? Clue the game clue where you can go from the conservatory through the walls. And then the other, you know, John, Wayne, Casey. I mean, it can be very busy child at heart. I mean, I mean. Yeah. Awful. Still choking on that one to a lot of a lot of choking, Deb a lot joke today. No, no. It's all it's great. It's all great. I'm so delighted, oh, I guess we should probably is there any kind of daredevil stuff. You wanna like now? I know I've seen it. I've seen a lot. I've seen a lot of like save daredevils. Yeah. Oh my God. I mean, it's very I it's so I'm so grateful that people are so excited about it. I really don't know what the chances are of that happening. So I think for me, I've kind of stayed away from that just because. I'm morning a little bit. You know, like that that it felt like that kind of. Cut the rug pulled out from underneath underneath me a little bit. Because the third season we were all so proud of it. And we were so certain when we finished that we'd be doing a fourth side kind of had my mind wrapped around that. And then when iron fist and Luke got cancelled. I went. I don't like it started to feel like this isn't this isn't about strength of show or anything like that. This is about you know, we're we're moving on and putting our energy on something else. And I had a feeling and then it happened. And I kind of was okay. But I didn't get to say goodbye. You know, normally you'd get everyone's emails, and you'd steal something from the said do that kind of stuff, and I didn't get to do that. Because I really we really thought we were coming back at the end. So my process right now, it's been kind of one of gratitude and just saying him so happy for this experience. And for the friends that I made. I'm really trying to steer clear of any kind of anger or I don't wanna say hope, but. It's better for me to see it as something in the past and be grateful for it and move on. I think it would be unhealthy for me to try to hold onto it tightly. It doesn't matter. What you have no control you have no control zero. And again, we it's so easy to because the business that we're in is expressed through a creative medium. We forget that it is a business. I yeah. And they and that things happen. And in that case, I really do think they're bigger like Disney marvel things that are happening politically that have nothing to do with the the outside. It's nice to get cancelled. And not be because you suck. Right. All right. We knew we'd gave a great season. And we know that that's not why any of this happened. And look I'm not in on any of those conversations. So like, I, you know, this this could be exactly the right decision for Netflix marvel to make I have no opinion on that. All I know is that I didn't get to say goodbye to my friends the way that I am the show and. Karen? And Matt, you know, the last time I saw Matt Murdock. I didn't know that was the last time and I'll see Charlie again. But that's. If you're an actor. You're understand that that's a little different ROY different than seeing Matt Murdock and being being with him. And so yeah, so it just it's just taking some adjustment. And I think if I hold onto it I'll be miserable. So there's nothing, you know. It's better just to it is better to appreciate the experience. Because also now you're open for something that you, you know, exactly I this is the first time I got to really go. Hey, what did I when I was that twelve year old kid or younger? What was I dreaming about? What did I want to do? And I actually have the time to kind of pursue that now. Because every thing that in the moment seems like, oh, this sucks. This thing. I shouldn't you know, you still don't know my mom has a thing. She's like, you never know the end of the story. So whatever the next thing that you do whether it's something you create this play that you're gonna write or another job or something you're gonna go fuck, if I you know, like, I had this wonderful experience in this other thing if I had still been doing that that would have been fine. But I would not have been able to have this. So, you know, I just think it's I really do think that things in that out, positively if you're open to them plead that as well, and you know, losses are like we've been talking about with grade school and stuff any kind of tough, experience or losses. Something you learn and grow from and the next time this happens all have a little more experience with how to handle it and. Well, you guys are just the book getting Judas kids horrible. You're so cute. Both of us. Well, you come over to our house. I got to go there. Cool. Oh, yeah. That's right. What years? Oh. For New Year's. That's right. You were out of town. No, she was anywhere wasn't. I was we were entertaining in our house trumping. So I can only go to your place. That's right. That's right. A fighter. On fires that kind of a couple of years ago. Oh, yeah. That was my phone's we have our houses, very old and one of the things we have in the house, which is such a cool thing. It's a it's a cabinet that when you open it up, it's a warming oven. So you can keep stuff, but it's like one thousand nine hundred twenty s warming oven. And so it I had put. I had put pizza boxes because I didn't think it got that hot. Pencil box like touched one of the coils. And then this black smoke started billowing out, and that was on me, and it and the warming oven smelled like a trash fire for a year and a half, it only just recently stopped smelling like a like a fire was smoke or whatever. Still sorry. I didn't know the ending of that night. I was going to happen. The rest of the media was very understanding about that. You know like, and I was over a barrel on that one. Because it was a thousand percent my fault. It was it was just one of those things where I was like I'm dumb. Why did I think that was a good idea? Like, you don't even have to have that much. Empirical data to know that that's a bad idea. And yet I fucking shoved a pile of pizza boxes, keep it more. Yeah. Exactly. I was too busy. Probably John Dixon south into focus on pay per catches. Fire and fire. Always sniper fire always beats paper chair. And and. Yeah. And she was like oh. So you thought that would be a good idea? I know I was not really thinking that when so. Yes. So you should come back. When when I have not tried this. On fire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thankfully, we didn't have to do any fire renovation. It was just contained to the warming oven. But it's all things. All okay now. So yes, please. Please. Please come over sometime. Lead says hi back. I'm just so happy. I'm so I'm so I'm so excited and proud for you know, that you chose the path that you chose that you are able to do something positive with with all that stuff the best. We can we really are the even the assholes. It doesn't mean you have to like what they do that. It doesn't mean. But just know that everyone is trying to do the best. Most people are trying to do the best that they can there are some of chaotic. The world who are ju just want to destroy the world. And then put pizza boxes on purpose. Mine was an accident. But but outside of that small percentage of people seriously, chaotic good moment. Actually, I'm trying to do this. Good thing. Get the pizza boxes out of the waste, and no one has to see them. But. I saw a mean for Caddock good wants it said cow that good people will slash your tires to keep you from driving home drunk, and I was like perfect. Really? Yeah. Exactly. I will break a rule to try to save your life, and in the end, and you might not understand my methods. But in the end, don't probably do the right thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's the best alignment on. We'll plug something up. Please. We're talking about running earlier. There's a documentary about my runs. I didn't thousand twelve twelve marathons twelve states in twelve months blindfolded, it's called running blind. And you could find it on itunes digital copies on IT moons, Amazon Google play, and I think even YouTube, and you can it for like two bucks and watch this documentary and the money goes to a good cost. That's fantastic. And I'm sorry that I should have set up a third Mike for you EJ. But I think you're being picked up on this on the external zoom. So you should be. So you should be all good. So you should be good. I was just going to watch. No. I know. But it's, but you have a for instance, along it's like as soon as you sat down. It's like, I'm not going to not talk to Jay. He's right there. You know, and anything anything to help going. Yeah. Exactly. Hey. Right over here. So. My girlfriend. Honestly, anything anything that? We can do to help out the about the cause, you know. We'll do. Thank you, very you. Got it. Thank you for being here. Yes. And oh and relics and rarities kept great guests can go through the lineup. We've got. Matthew Lillard and the first episode Sam Richardson, we go no from veep and Detroiters on our second episode third episode, Charlie Cox, who very generously came the daredevil himself forth is Janina devan car who was on troop, look good friend of mine and plays DND with me a lot then Kevin Smith for his first time ever playing dungeons and dragons that's kind of mind bending to believe was amazing. I'm sure he was like a as an incredible example of someone who has has no idea how to play the game. But like Dovan oh enthused. All enthusiasm had great ideas. If he was great. And then are finale with Simone mythic misty Knight fantastic. Right. I interviewed Kevin for my podcast recently. In a couple of weeks scratched the surface three and a half hour. Oh my gosh. Unsurprisingly? That's incredible. Oh my God. That's a long time in the kitchen. Oh, you are. Okay. Good for relics and rarities. We we've really tried to make it like we said accessible. So even if you have no idea what all the dice rolling is about you should still be a really fun just story to follow. And try to guess what you think the players are going to do so relics and rarities is available on twitch and YouTube rolling out. Not all the episodes are up yet. But they got you. Excellent. Excellent. Well, thank you so much for being here. It's good to see you both. The city has roads and seeing. This is word salad rap for the episode nine ninety you've just listened to Deborah an wool. And Mr. j Scott who said and something came up on the podcast that I wanted to expand upon which is the idea of I think it really sort of nets out as Bekaert what you wish for right? You always hear, you know, like, it's just that warning that Faustian clause be careful what you wish for. And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact when whenever you see any of the sort of Faustian clause twilight zone style. Movies television shows whatever where someone goes all I just wish for this thing. And then the wishes go horribly wrong. It's sort of the monkey PA. You know, it's the wishes come with terrible consequences. I think what that really I think the underpinning of that is. When you are trying to rabidly seek things that you think will make you feel better the lesson. There is maybe you should appreciate things that you have. Now, that's not to say that you might not be a horrible situation that you wish you didn't have to deal with. Of course, there are always exceptions. There are horrible things that people don't choose that befall them. And I'm not saying that you you shouldn't wanna wish your way out of a horrible situation. But this is more in line with like when people wish for external things that they think are going to make their lives complete or complete them in some way or make them feel better. And because anything that you get anything that grows, and we touched upon this in the podcasts anything that grows. Anything that gets bigger anything that gets more substantial comes with guess, what more responsibility and more problems. You know, it's always the things that you don't foresee. It's like you get more of something. And that means you get more of everything, you know, like. Like more of the positive and more of the negative that comes along with it. And so I think the lesson there is like, you know, what? In. It's not I'm not saying don't wish for things ever. Don't want to improve your situation. Don't you know, it's okay to want things. But I'm also just saying, you know, is it possible that maybe you somewhere in your life have some of the things that you think you don't have. But with a minor perspective shift. You would see that you already have those things something I've talked about a lot. But I think it's very important because we're constantly looking for external things to solve internal crises. But maybe maybe those external things wouldn't necessarily make your life better. You know? I mean how many times when you were a kid? Did you want a Christmas present a toy? And you're like, my life's gonna be fucking amazing after I get this microphone, Mr. microphone that lets me broadcast my voice through a radio. Now, I'm a lot older than you probably. And that was a very popular Toya in the late seventies early eighties that I wanted and you could talk into the microphone and it would. It would connect to the it would broadcast through an FM band on your radio or AM band on your radio. And you could hear a voice coming through the radio. I thought my life's going to be perfect after I get this thing. And then you get the Christmas present, and it's fine and you play with it a couple times. And then that's it. You put it in a box, you know, everything about it again. So I guess my point is like, do you have do you already have things in your life that you could be grateful for that? Maybe somehow are giving you this thing that you need or are there ways that you could. Be who you are. And appreciate yourself. So that you wouldn't feel like you needed external things to kind of fill that hole because there's no thing shaped hole in your body. You know, what I mean in your soul? There's no thing shaped hole. There's not a thing that's gonna make you complete or fix your life. Again, everything comes with responsibilities. Everything comes with more than you bargained for. So it's just you know, when you when you make that list of things that you think are going to make your life better number one. Nothing fixes you. Really? I mean, I don't think it does my opinion and number two. Do you definitely need all those things or from a different point of view might you have some of those things that you think you don't have. It's just that's all it's just taking a second to think about it rather than just assuming that external things are going to fix you. Or that a wish that you could make would create some. Sort of a bargain, that's all that where you're gonna win. You're going to win it life because of the bargain and that sort of the Faustian clause. It's like, you trade your soul for something that you think is going to be better than your soul. But ultimately, it's not, and your soul is really ultimately, the best thing your soul being you. And who you are, and what you're passionate about and the things that you care about and the important things that life in life and external thing is not gonna be better than those. So just know that ultimately you are worth it anything in the world is not more worth it than you are. So that's what I'm trying to express you to hope I did that in a clear way and not a long tired rambler away, which is usually my default setting. But thanks so much. I appreciate you. Thanks for listening to a word salad rapper episode nine ninety. I hope you have a great week. And I'll talk yet just soon. I need anti getting come late and joy over ITO.

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King Solomons Mines Pt. 1

Unexplained Mysteries

39:37 min | 1 year ago

King Solomons Mines Pt. 1

"When the Great King Solomon finally completed his marvelous temple atop a hill L. in Jerusalem he led a grand procession from Mount Off L.? They carried the Israelites. Greatest treasure the Ark of the covenant inside the gold covered wooden box rested the twin stone tablets the Ten Commandments as Solomon led the arc work to its resting place in the temple's. Inner Sanctum a great cloud suddenly appeared filling. Every corner of the room. Solomon claimed it was a sign of God's approval. He'd hired the best finish in masons carpenters to shape the stones. He'd covered the floors and walls in the finest Lebanese Cedar and sparing no expense. The mighty king had covered every inch of the temple in the finest finest beaten gold. The same gold fill Jerusalem's treasury. It was the source of Solomon's wealth and his power and yet yet despite all that was written about how Solomon spent his gold. There is very little to indicate where the gold actually came from. For thousands of years biblical scholars historians pilgrims and treasure seekers alike. Have obsessed over Solomon's Goldmines as as a result. The minds have become one of the world's most legendary lost treasures. Welcome to unexplained mysteries a podcast. Original I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take no for an answer. Every Thursday we investigate gate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth you can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other park has originals for free on spotify over ever you listen to podcasts to stream unexplained mysteries for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search bar. You're at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're listening? It really does help. This is our first episode on King. Solomon's mines according to the Old Testament Solomon was the richest king of ancient Israel. Vague clues are scattered throughout the Bible about the source of the gold gave him his power. Explorers have searched which for the minds in the Middle East Africa even North America. But they've never been found this week will explore the biblical story as as well as the true history of Solomon's reign his famous temple and his alliances across the ancient world next week. We'll discuss the main theories about the possible. Location of King Solomon's legendary minds in Jewish Christian and Muslim history. King Solomon was the wisest and wealthiest of the ancient kings of Israel. The son of King David and his Queen Bethsheba Solomon focused his rule on strengthening Israel's tenuous alliances and developing building projects in and around Jerusalem Salim working from archaeological clues and Biblical Hints Scholars Have Estimated King Solomon's reign as nine seventy two nine thirty thirty one. B C E during this period he formed a lucrative partnership with King Hiram. The first of tire entered a relationship with the glamorous queen of Sheba and enrich the Israelites Kingdom through the mining and collection of gold as the precious metal flowed. Food into Jerusalem's coffers so too did power flow into the city. But where did the fortune come. From Ruling Kingdoms often fill their their coffers through tribute payments from surrounding areas but based on biblical descriptions ancient Israel was far too small of a kingdom to to account for the amount of gold that Solomon reportedly brought into the city. There's also the issue of the source. There are very few gold deposits ause. It's anywhere in the Middle East and little evidence of any mining operations during the time of Solomon Suspected Rain. This begs the question. How rich rich was King Solomon Really? Is it possible. He inflated his purported wealth in its early years. The Kingdom of Israel was constantly at war. King's like David who ruled from approximately ten ten. VCE To nine seventy BC focused their efforts on unprotected Jerusalem from invaders and securing the alliances between the twelve tribes of Israel. It wasn't until Solomon ascended to the throne in nine seventy BC E that Israel's focus turned to increasing status and prosperity though most of the dates in this story are estimates midst. It would seem that Solomon took control of the country when he was only fifteen or sixteen years old just four years into his rule at age. Nineteen Solomon began building. The Great Temple to Ya way. An ancient name for God that appears in the Hebrew Bible Solomon also reorganize is the kingdom into new districts to centralize power in Jerusalem which his father had made the capital city. He is credited with writing several books of the Bible including including proverbs ECCLESIASTES DIS and the song of Solomon he traveled with King Hiram of Tyre too far off lands like tarshish these these trips brought gold silver moore ivory and other luxury goods into Israel in a single year Solomon collected six hundred and sixty six talents of gold from various expeditions. That's equal to almost a billion dollars worth of gold today. Above all Solomon was known for his thoughtfulness and wisdom. His status as a wise ruler is perhaps best exemplified in the story the judgment of Solomon as related in the book of Kings. One day to young mothers came to Solomon at his court. They shared a house house and the day before one of their two babies had died in. Its sleep each of the mothers claimed the surviving baby as her own Solomon after taking some time to ponder the conundrum declared that he would cut the infant in half and each mother would receive their fair share. The boy one mother readily agreed nodding. She said that if she couldn't have the living child then no one could. The second second mother was more upset crying out. She implored King Solomon to give the baby to the other woman. She didn't care who got the boy as long as he was kept safe. Solomon's smiled and motioned for his guard. To Re sheathed his sword. He declared that the second woman was obviously. The boy's mother is only the true parent would relinquish her baby to save its life. This story spread throughout Israel as evidence of Solomon's wisdom and according to the biblical and archaeological record his prudence and foresight led to a great age for the Kingdom Solomon's struck alliances that contributed to the economic boom in the event in eastern Mediterranean region that contains modern day. Cyprus US Israel Jordan Palestine Syria and parts of Turkey to secure trade with other kingdoms. He married multiple wives us from those regions. His most famous and mythology is trade. Relationship was with the Queen of Sheba. The Queen of Sheba only shows goes up for a brief moment in the Hebrew Bible but in that short reference she captured the attention of storytellers for generations. Well there are are competing theories. The Land of Sheba is thought to have spanned from East Africa across the Red Sea to the Arabian Peninsula. It most likely covered the area of modern day. Eritrea Somalia Ethiopia and Yemen. The Queen Hearing of Solomon's wisdom journey to Israel with offerings of Ivory Frankencense Mur camels monkeys precious gems peacocks and lots of gold and she came to test the supposed wisdom of the king when she arrived. She posed him a series of riddles. There is no record of her puzzles muscles in the written scripture but there are popular folktales describing what the Queen of Sheba asked. Solomon one of these stories inspired a fifteenth century the German tapestry according to the inscription woven into the fabric the Queen asked Solomon I to distinguish between a real and fake AAC flower. She presented to him. She then has Solomon to identify the biological sex of two identically dressed children Salomon replied that A.. B. Will only feed from the real flower. He also said that the child who is kneeling female as kneeling is indicative. Addictive of femininity. That last explanation sounds a bit odd today but apparently it made sense to the Queen of Sheba satisfied. It was Solomon's answers. She gave him the huge amount of gold she had brought across the desert. This brief encounter spurred countless stories and legends about outs Solomon and the Queen. A similar version of the riddle story appears in the Muslim Koran. In this interpretation the Queen is inspired by Solomon to convert convert to Islam and have her entire country. Follow suit nonreligious Arabic folktales link the Queen of Sheba to the Gen a type of intelligent demon spirit other tales painter as a consort of King Solomon if legends are to be believed. The two monarchs had an incredibly close relationship. According to some traditions they even had a child together either way they continue you to act. As allies and trade partners. Throughout Solomon's rule further enriching Israel by the end of his reign Solomon had reportedly sadly turned the capital city of Jerusalem into a citadel of white and gold he'd imported luxuries and built a great palace for himself. The crowning achievement of his new city was the gold covered. Temple to Ya away on the temple. Mount perhaps his legendary mind's the source of all all Israel's opulence and power could be found in the far off Kingdom of Sheba to find the gold one must simply figure out where exactly exactly Sheba was but that's a bit harder than it sounds just like the minds the ancient country of Sheba has been lost I for thousands of years next. We'll follow the hunt for Solomon's wealth in ancient Africa. Hi It's molly and it's no mystery than I am an animal lover. That's why I'm so thrilled to tell you about podcasts. Latest a series dog tales. Dog Tales tells the true stories of heroic canines who have gone above and beyond their best friend duties. The the dog and my life is named Corona. He's a rust colored terrier. Mix and sweetness can be that. His cuteness doesn't compare to the acts of bravery explored Gordon. This show every Monday dog tales embarks on a new journey of courage service and unwavering sacrifice by our most loyal companions unions. You'll hear tales of inspiration from all breeds of life like buddy the German shepherd. The world's first seeing I guide dog or Huskies Balto and Togo the sled dogs who made a lifesaving medical delivery from anchorage to nome each episode of Gog Tails is as unique as the pups themselves in sure to bring you closer to the furry friend in your life so get ready to sit stay and and roll over with excitement for podcasts endearing series dog tales. Listen to dog tales free on spotify or wherever you get your podcast asked now back to the story. During his forty year reign from nine seventy two nine thirty one B C e King Solomon ushered in a new age of prosperity in Israel. He built a compound of Whitestone gold atop the hills of the city. This complex was comprised of the Royal Palace on off L.. The city of David which was the main settlement in Jerusalem and the fabulous temple. Galway on the temple. Mount Solomon was known across the ancient world for his wealth and wisdom. His reputation helped him so alliances alliances like his partnership with the Phoenician King Hiram of Tyre it also led others to seek him out and establish trade like like the beautiful brilliant Queen of the Land of Sheba under Solomon's rule. Israel's twelve tribes turned their focus from warfare to prosperity disparity and business and the life. Blood of this new Israel was pure precious. Gold the source of Solomon's gold was the source of his power but today the location of his precious mines has been lost to the figurative and possibly literal sands of time time one legend ties Solomon's wealth to his relationship with the Queen of Sheba while they're meeting is only given a few brief lines. In the Hebrew other religious interpretations give more weight to the rendezvous. As we mentioned present day Ethiopia was likely included in Ancient Sheba. According to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church Salomon's introduction to the Queen is one of the most important important events in Ethiopia's history. The CABRA Nagase translated as the glory of the Kings is an essential text to Ethiopian Christians. The existing manuscript was published sometime in the thirteen hundreds and was written in gettys the ancient language of the region. According to the text the Queen of Sheba and King Solomon had a much more involved relationship than the Bible suggests when the Hebrew Bible mentions their meeting. It says that Solomon gave the queen all her desire whatsoever she asked. According to the Ethiopian. Be An Orthodox Church. Whatever she asked included a sexual relationship according to this take on the legend the Queen in had a child by King? Solomon a son named MENA leak. The first he took on the religion of his father and ruled Sheba from the ancient city Of Axum his line governed modern day Ethiopia for generations when Menelik was young man he traveled with his mother from Sheba to Israel to meet his father during his visit. Solomon presented mental leak with a replica of the Israelites. Greatest treasure the Ark of the Covenant Covenant One night before he left mentally managed to switch the imitation arc with the one that resided in. Solomon's Temple all he then brought the real are back with him to Sheba. According to popular Jewish historical tradition the arc went missing from Jerusalem. uh-huh sometime in the five hundred's BC. According to the Ethiopian Orthodox Christians. This lost treasure lies inside Our Lady of Zion Diane Church for Millennia. Monks hit the arc behind a simple curtain in guarded against prying eyes. No one besides the chosen. In few at the head of the church have ever been permitted to see the Ark for themselves the stolen Ark of the Covenant isn't the only thing that ties Ethiopia via to King Solomon according to the Cabra Nagase the dynasty started by mental leak. The first son of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba stretched onwards words for almost three thousand years. In fact highly selassie the last emperor of Ethiopia claim to be mentally leaks exc descendant if this was true than the Solomonic Dynasty Wu. Seo Pia from the nine hundreds B. C. E. Until nineteen seventy eighty four when highly selassie was overthrown. Perhaps the source of King Solomon's Gold could be Ethiopia via Sheba or it could be another another place mentioned in the Hebrew Bible throughout the Old Testament. One name in particular continually appears next to descriptions of King Solomon's gold this is over an unspecified. Port trading center that sent Israel shipments of Silver Sandalwood Pearls Ivory eighths peacocks and most importantly gold. The book of Kings describes a journey that Solomon and Hiram King Tire took to offer in search of gold tributes over could very well be the side of King. Solomon's Goldmines the issue issue then is to figure out where exactly over is in the modern world. Unfortunately there is very little context in the parts of the Old Testament estimate that mentioned over the port city was obviously famous for its gold and the Hebrew Bible repeatedly references. Its wealth these passages. She's however assume that the reader knows exactly where they're talking about over was apparently well known enough when the Old Testament was written that no other geographical markers mentioned we can't even be entirely sure what continent it's on. We know that the expedition to offer a set set sail from the port of Etzion Gabar on the Red Sea. Therefore it makes sense. That offer could be nearby and reachable by ship popular. Theories say that offer was on the eastern coast of Africa somewhere on the Arabian peninsula or even in India but no one can say for certain perhaps over still out there somewhere waiting to be found beneath the dunes. There's just not enough left in the written record. This blind spot is partially the result of the way Solomon's reign concluded even with all his gold by the end of his term. King Solomon faced the destruction of everything he had built while the king had a reputation for wisdom. According to the Bible it was his sins. Against Y'all way that ultimately led to the dissolution of the kingdom he'd fought so hard to establish as the king grew older. His heart turned turned away from the Jewish God. He built temples to the gods of his wives. Homelands and allowed his people to worship their Solomon himself began to worship a star TV a Phoenician fertility goddess and Mohawk a bloodthirsty Canaanite. God who could only be sated by Human Sacrifice God appeared to Solomon in vision the Deity said he would break Israel apart for its people had turned to idolatry and the worship ship of other Gods when King Solomon died in nine thirty one BC e he left behind a desk dealing city beyond his palace and Temple. He built a magnificent courthouse a house for his main wife and multiple pagan altars and temples for his other wives. All of these were made of the finest Cedar and stone topped with Gold. Before the king's body was cold y'all ways threat that was swiftly carried out when Solomon's son Rea- Bowen took the Throne Ten of the twelve tribes of Israel refused to recognize him as their ruler during his reign Solomon had implemented hefty taxes on the surrounding tribes now that he was dead the ten ten tribes demanded that Rio bom cut the taxes his father had implemented but he refused so these tribes split off dividing writing Solomon's prosperous kingdom into the two warring states of Israel and Judah Judah would never again rejoin Israel under Jewish king. Solomon's work was undone. The story of King Solomon is a fantastic and dramatic one with captivating characters like the Queen of Sheba and powerful allegory of sin and destruction according to the Hebrew Bible Jerusalem. I'm under Sullivan. became the glittering golden capital of a mighty kingdom. But did any of. It actually happened that way. The Archaeological Gilan record is somewhat sparse. When it comes to King Solomon? This isn't surprising when the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar the second and invaded Jerusalem in five eighty seven B. c. e.. They raised it to the ground. Jerusalem has been rebuilt many times over the centuries stories. There were even multiple temples. Built on the temple. Mount the site of Solomon's Fabled Temple of Galway the temple. Mount is an incredibly incredibly important site to all of the Abraham religions today. It's home to the Muslim Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque mosque. which are some of the oldest works of Islamic architecture? A boulder atop the mount called the foundation stone was thought to be the site of the holy of holies. The inner sanctum in Solomon's First Temple. This is where the Ark of the Covenant was housed and we're God himself manifested his presence since the Prophet Mohammed is believed to have begun his famous night journey from the foundation stone due to the importance of the site. Multiple religion's significant archaeological excavation of the temple. Mount has proved tricky evidence supporting the account of King. Solomon's building building projects in the Bible was only recently unearthed and Israeli archaeologist says newly excavated ancient fortifications in Jerusalem. Date back three thousand years to the time of the Bible's King. Solomon Hebrew universities Ayla MAZAAR says pottery shards date the walls to one thousand years before Christ the first time that we have a city gate and fortification line from the time of King. Solomon this is Dan Century most beautifully preserved section of the city wall. If she's right. The findings would indicate a strong central government in Jerusalem at that time because building city walls demanded great resources and organization indicates about a tenth century ensuring that sit so well with the conversion. Some archaeologists argue the David in Solomon's monarchy was mythical others including mazaar believe they actually early ruled three thousand years ago. While some archaeological evidence has been found on the temple. Mount Supporting the existence of Solomon's Temple. There is nothing thing indicating that any gold was mined there but what if Sheba even today Ethiopia is an exceedingly gold rich country three. It's known for having seems of gold lying very close to the earth's surface. Is it possible that the gold that covered the first temple built in Giroux Sulum came from what is now Ethiopia. Author Tahir Shah tried to answer this question when he journeyed to Ethiopia in nineteen ninety. Nine shy is a British journalist and author known for recounting. His far flung journeys in Travel Literature Shah spent a year criss crossing the east African nation. Trying to find the possible source of King Solomon's gold throughout his journey tie here became more and more certain certain that the minds of King Solomon must be hidden somewhere in gold rich if you opium rugged countryside when he stumbled upon mentions of a a mysterious cave filled with gold in an out of print explorers travelogue. He knew he'd found it hidden in a secret. Cavern in a certain mountain in Ethiopia. Shaba believed King Solomon's mines awaited him now. All he had to do was fine. Line the entrance. We'll travel deeper into the minds and Ethiopia's history after this now now back to the story King Solomon's mines have been lost to the annals of history but there may be clues hidden in the Hebrew Bible that point the way to the lost treasure like the Lost City of El Dorado seekers believed that finding the minds could bring wealth beyond their wildest dreams and inspired scores of expeditions on one of these trips American archaeologist Nelson Glick claimed that he'd found King Solomon's mines in the Negev desert in Israel but instead of gold these minds provided King Solomon Woman with untold wealth in the form of copper beginning in nineteen thirty eight thirty seven year old glick excavated a site called Tel l.. Khalifa he dated the earliest structures there to the tenth century. BC which coincides with King. Solomon's rule glick believed believed. One of the buildings he found was meant to act as a refining room for copper or he declared that the holes found in the walls of the excavated building were obviously Flus meant to provide a natural draft to cool off smelting activities he also discovered a number of fire blackened pottery shards and reported that they were certainly ancient crucibles used to separate copper ore from slag. The proof was there copper. Was the life blood of early Israel not gold clicks findings were published and became a popular theory but his ipod offices was short lived. It was G- licks own assistant Beno Rothenberg who shattered the illusion as he worked on the side over over the years. Rothenberg noticed an alarming number of inconsistencies in Blix claims and the archaeological proof he had presented in one thousand nine hundred sixty two. He published a devastating report of the work he in Glick had done at Tel Khalifa. Firstly the holes that glick had described his flus were carved into all four sides of the building. Rothenberg thought this didn't make sense as the wind. Only blue from the north why make holes in all four walls. He also stated that the room Glick reported as a furnace room had no entries or exits sits. It would be impossible for anyone to go inside and adjust the furnace. In addition the so-called crucibles glick had found. We're obviously a handmade cookware. Matching other examples found across the Middle East most tellingly. There was a lack of ancient mining. Waste anywhere near the site. Anyplace that acted as a large capacity metal refinery would have had mountains of a stony byproduct called slag nearby. But there was none at tell Al Khalifa. The structure wasn't a copper refinery. It was part of a wall surrounding ancient city. Glick himself even eventually agreed with Rothenberg's findings in a news article published in nineteen sixty five while Glick headed added wrong other explorers still haven't given up the search for Solomon's mines in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine author Tahir Shah mounted his own own expedition to Ethiopia to track down the answer to this ancient mystery. Shaw's book in search of King Solomon's mines describes gripes how his journey started when he was thirty. Three it began innocuously enough in Curio shop. In the Old City of Jerusalem many stalls made a business of selling dubious artifacts to unsuspecting tourists. oftentimes shops claimed to have real splinters from the cross cross. Jesus was crucified on or the finger bones of saints for the most part. These religious relics were actually worthless trinkets. But but his tie. Here's Shaw stepped into his shop. Along the thoroughfare hidden among the prayer beads and Snow Globes. Something caught his eye it was. There's an old faded map hanging on the back wall. The shopkeeper picking up on Shaw's curiosity spun him a tale of how the roughly drawn chart led the way to treasures beyond imagining this paper which the shopkeepers family had passed. Down for. Generations pointed the way to King Solomon's mines in the mythical land of over the shopkeeper told him the gold is in Africa as you probably expected the shopkeepers story wasn't exactly true. In fact after buying the map ta I hear returned to the store only to find the different equally authentic looking chart hanging in its place. This incident set the tone for tight. Hi Here's journey to find Solomon's lost minds. Perhaps one of the reasons why they've remained stubbornly hidden for so long is that many people would rather follow a good story. Over facts or history for his part Sharma was already very familiar with the search for the mines. His father and grandfather both respected Afghan authors and travelers in their own right had previously trek through the Middle East in search. Church of King Solomon's gold. It was a family obsession and the chance encounter with the fake map. Set Tie here on the same track since his father and grandfather had already ruled out the Middle East with their own expeditions. Tahir's set his sights on Africa. In his opinion the mines news and the lost city of Ofer could only be in one place Ethiopia as we've mentioned Ethiopian in Christians have long claimed historical relationship to Solomon through his child with the Queen of Sheba. Tie here theorized that offer must be the the site of the minds. Within the Queen of Sheba's ancient realm the location fits when Solomon and King Hiram of Tyre launched their expedition to Ofer for. They left from a port on the Red Sea as we said before she abo- was thought to include the Horn of Africa and span across the Red Sea into the Arabian Peninsula. Many historians believe that this area also included the land of punt a fabled kingdom of riches that often did business with the ancient Egyptian empire. There is a particular card relief at that year. El Bahari an archaeological site near the Egyptian city of Luxor. That seems to provide some evidence that punt was in Ethiopia located inside the Mortuary Mortuary Temple of the female Pharaoh Hatshepsut. The relief illustrates the end of an expedition. The Pharaoh took to punt the image. It shows Hatshepsut bringing back luxury goods and gold on Egypt's in style reed boats the relief depicts a series of beehive shaped huts meant to represent the homes of the punt people. These curiously shaped structures are still in use today with Ethiopia. The doors eight people in the Rift Valley. Oh he mountains. We've distinctive beehive shaped houses out of bamboo and there are aspects of traditional Ethiopian life. That seemed to who've been influenced by contact with ancient Egypt. The low long reed boats favored by the Faeroes are still used by Ethiopian. Fishermen fishermen today additionally the Ethiopian Orthodox Church still uses an ancient traditional percussion instrument called a system. which can be found in Egyptian hieroglyphs from thousands of years ago these remnants of Egyptian culture were well known to tie here Shah and helped influence his this decision to search for King Solomon's mines in Ethiopia? He reasoned that the Israelites were enslaved in Egypt. When Hatshepsut ruled they would have heard of the fabulous wealth found in punt to the south when Solomon came to power and was looking to enrich his kingdom? It made sense is that he would seek out a place that had historically been associated with gold and luxury goods. By this time the land of punt had given way to SABA ruled ruled over by the Great Queen of Sheba with these legends. In mind. Taw Here Shaw set off in nineteen ninety nine for Addis Ababa. The capital capital city of Ethiopia to see if he could find the minds for himself. There Tahir found that people were eager to share their ideas of where Solomon's mines were located the real issue. was that in such a gold rich country. Multiple places could be the source of the king's wealth following folktales rumors and officials stories tie here narrowed the possible gold mines to a few distinct locations. Their search would take them. I'm all over somewhere in Ethiopia Solomon's minds we're waiting but are the minds actually somewhere out there. Hidden under the the shifting sand dunes of Ethiopia or the Middle East are they lost forever or were they just a story all along. Next week we'll will die. Further into the mystery of King Solomon's mines will follow journalist Tiger Shaw as he navigates competing stories and unforgiving unforgiving terrain to find the ancient minds. Somewhere in modern day Ethiopia. But while tie here was certain the source of King Solomon's gold was in Ethiopia. There are other locations that claim to be the true origin. In fact people have insisted they found King Solomon's mines winds all across the world from sites in Modern Day Israel to India to the southern tip of Africa and even the Americas with the historical historical record being so vague and archaeological evidence. Being so scares all of these places could have a valid claim to the site of the minds but which one is the true one. Join US next week to find out thanks again. For Tuning into unexplained mysteries. We will be back Thursday Thursday with part two of the lost minds of Solomon for more information on the search for the minds amongst the many sources we used we found in search rich for king. Solomon's mines by Tahir Shah and the National Geographic article in search of the Real Queen of Sheba by Stanley Stewart. Extremely helpful to our research you can find. All episodes of unexplained mysteries in all other park asked originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify edify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite park asked originals like unexplained mysteries for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream unexplained mysteries on spotify. Just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries stories in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at Park and twitter at Parkas network. We'll see next time Sihanouk's Thursday and remember. Never take we. 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EPISODE #56: Don't touch that dial! (that's an old timey TV reference for the young'uns) Tom & Manda channel their favorite TV shows that began as movies!

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EPISODE #56: Don't touch that dial! (that's an old timey TV reference for the young'uns) Tom & Manda channel their favorite TV shows that began as movies!

"Rambo everywhere the sandwich forces of general art threatening these people of the world. One man to call get me Rambo Memorial. Aw Searching for the unusual the obscure the forgotten treasures hidden deep within streaming media. This is the deep dive podcast. Hello Down Fifty feet stick zero nine zero. Continue to dive low divers here. We are yet again you are. Well you're there I'm here. Yeah exactly yes so. Welcome everybody to the deep dive podcast. A never ending quest to find the best end sometimes worse content hiding in your streaming media libraries which to put it. Mildly is just what you need right now amen. That's right I'm Tom Feeney. Ready for shot movie magazine available on Dot Com and with me and without me as always is my partner during this global Mandak. Yeah don't don't be allowed because they might become the reason for it the mandatory him and I'm just about to go insane being in my house this long but I hear a belies. Welcome to another you know. I think we're like going through like these. They call like the seven stages of grief with this whole quarantine Gora Phobia. I mean. I'm still waiting for acceptance to kick in because I know he's soon is accepted kick in and they're gonNA put us all back outside so of course this is going to be. I know this. Yeah you know. We'RE ALL DOWN. And so now is the perfect time to start binge watching a lot of junk so absolutely we're providing an essential service so yeah and you know. I feel like one of the heroes stretch all right. I'll go I'll take it. I'll take it so today on this. So this is actually part of our special two-parter that exists into parts over a two part episode. I hope I hope that was clear. No no not at all good. I'm doing my job Last time it was movies that came from. Tv shows today it's TV shows. That began as movies now. The clip you. The beginning was from probably the most unlikeliest of examples Rambo force of freedom. A Children's cartoon based on the Ultra Probably Racist Definitely Jingo is very R rated movie franchise. So yeah character. No no no. I couldn't afford stallone. Opportunity Event Been Frank Stallone. His brother I don't know like the ball. Just hit any ball one. Yeah yeah basically. With the exception of Alex the rest of them are pretty much interchangeable. Especially yeah especially those special the right wing one. I think that's Adam I think he's the one little boy. Well there you go. That's that's an interesting family right there and Irish do which always makes it fun rare. Yeah Yeah So. There are many many many other examples of TV shows that began life as movies now arguably the best of these is one of the most successful television shows of all Time Mash. The show that yeah. There was a show about army surgeons serving in the Korean War in Iran for eleven seasons which was actually a lot longer than the Korean War. Actually existed was a much bigger success than the actual Korean War. So there's that now movies from Fargo to the Terminator Two the purge to Buffy the vampire slayer have TV based on movies really so you know and the TV's there have been TV shows based on those movies so it's really another example of the entertainment industrial complex feeding on itself like a parasite. Oh by the way. The movie parasite is going to be adapted as a TV show on. Hbo In Twenty Twenty One. So not surprised. Yeah so I don't know how they're gonNA pull that off. But because I was a freaky movie but yeah we will see all right. So what have you got for your first pick? I pick in two thousand. Three's very short lab. My Big Fat Greek life is based off of the movie. My Big Fat Greek wedding window right exactly. I look now. Here's the thing. The movie is just so I I don't WANNA say adorable. But it's really just a very wholesome movie I think And I don't think anybody expected to be such a runaway hit. It was but this movie was produced by the Tom. Hanks and Rita Hanks Production Company Think a golden ring or something like that Yeah smash it Everyone loved it. They had a spinoff movie which didn't do so well but in between them. Cc Cool and this one's the TV. Show now I say short lives because it only ran for one season from February twenty four th until April thirteenth up. Two of them three. So that Kinda gives you a little bit of an idea of whether it was just as well But the cool thing is that the majority of the original castle movie including nearby dollars. Who by the way wrote the book based on her while he's in the movie based on highlights and hurricanes things with marrying a non traditional person. We've been her family. I'd TV's new. Hit comedy gets a big surprise guests. Don't miss an all new episode like break. Kim My big fat Greek life. Cbs Sunday. She married another actor. Who is not Greek? Her family comes from a her family is Super Greek Orthodox family and everything they do is based on Greece's the best and You know it in the movie. One of the the running gags is the father Something like oh the Greeks invented that I so we did this and all that and he believed that windex is the cure for anything now. I remember one scene where he was. He had dry elbows so he puts out not a bowl of where decks and that to this day just creeps me out like it makes me feel ill washing it. And I'm like I wonder what they use on that league. Lucy coloring but it looks sucked. Like so good as I went ex but Anyway in fact the show the the the show. I think the main reason why didn't do so well is that it really is Meant to be a continuation of the movie. But it starts kind of like like where you wouldn't expect it in in that like Bart's already established Chicago's they They are dealing with the scene issue. Which is the family's acceptance of an husband which you know don't get me wrong can sometimes be like battles you fight for union news but I think the emotional pull that we felt watching. The movie cutter ran out by the time the choking round. And here's the weird thing so in the movie. Her husband's name is Ian Miller and I don't remember if that was just as middle name and he was going by that But in the show her husband's in Thomas Miller yeah. It's one of those things where they couldn't really get around it and I think that has a lot to do with. They had they didn't have Despite it being her life story and really have Like a lot of rights it for bringing it over into the thick world Because her husband Gomez who she married I think they actually recently got or two but He's the dude who don't use on that your carry show He was I can remember. He's in lies in Riga. You would know him if you saw him But basically That's what the TV show kicks off and it's just the same for how their families getting along and It's an have too many episodes. I thought it was great because I I love that. You know the continuation. I wanted to move to keep going at the end of a good movie right. You just want to keep going But this just felt like it was kind of a half a half hearted attempt and it didn't do so well So basically you can not really fine this on many places now. They're in Youtube and there's also you choose counterpart Daily motion Basically went there where people upload You know TV shows music video newbies things like that and and it's more catered towards that as opposed to youtube which can be anything But you can find the entire season on there And Yeah it. Yeah so the well The original movie actually pretty well was the seventy to eighty range across correct tomatoes exactly But this however it didn't get rated by critics gave it a twelve percent. Yes so it didn't do so well But what I wanted to point out is that this movie was revolutionary in a couple of ways. One people didn't think it was going to be a hint. My and it ran away with it to a from a very small production company time. Which belongs Tom? Hanks and I don't think many people knew that he was kind of entering the game as a producer with this film and then three is fun so many other things than you think would you and I mean the my big fat Like Geogra- have the this American wedding. My Big Fat Greek life activity way my big fat liar. My big life it ruins makeover. It's gone this idea that that it's everything is my big fat something. So it's like it's some cataclysmic So yeah every time you think. Oh Yeah filthiest grammarian. That might be waiting well really. They took the title and they kind of ran away with it. But from this movie and it Kinda spawned this whole I guess the idea of getting the next big my big fat thing. You know But yeah I think they kind of like when a little bit too far when they I might big fat law and Order. Can you imagine? Oh God that's the going now that has to be in like what the twentieth season or something that went to jail in. The first season are now out I think. Smu is probably one of the longest one. Oh but you hear that With the Christopher Maloney is coming back to you really yeah. Yeah Yeah. It's a big. I love him when he shot was actually quite said and I was like Oh great. We have Olivia Benson hit but anyway You can see full episodes on Youtube on daily motion. You can buy on Amazon for looks like twenty three dollars. But I think you're better off just kinda watching the episodes just saying you would watch it on. It wasn't too too bad habit. That is nice very good. That's an obscure one. I like it. That's pretty cool. All right so my turn back in one thousand nine hundred seventy three. When I was just starting to get gray hair. A truly influential science fiction film was released about a fictional theme park where guests would interact with lifelike brats. Of course I'm talking about westworld written written and directed by future Jurassic Park Writer. Michael Crick Michael. Cry In years later the movie would get the television treatment open. I'm not talking about the. Hbo Show No no no no no by IPAD. Yeah my first. Big Isn't even shorter. Lived show than my big Fat Greek wedding. My first pick is beyond westworld from nineteen eighty. Yes you heard right. There was another Westworld TV. Show take a listen. It began with West. Were one activate Dow Futuristic playground where people could act out their fantasies with robots so sophisticated. It was impossible to tell them from humans. Suddenly though robots changed turned into the deadly servants of their Creator Simon Que- who took them beyond westworld. So westworld right so. The basic premise is this in the aftermath of the disaster that destroyed the theme parks in the original movie. One of the Westworld. Scientists manages to steal two hundred of the robots and has plans to use them to replace people of power and influence in world. Now the company that owns Westworld Delos Which by the way as Nanogram per sold if you didn't know that that owns the parks sends their head of security to try to track down and destroy these renegade robots problem is. They can look and act like anyone right now. It sounds really cool. It's a cool idea but you know no great premise terrible execution. Yeah to put it simply a silly show full of bad choices. And even worse acting mercifully only produced a wapping five episodes and only three of them aired before canceled so yeah and it was so bad that it took over thirty years for anyone to try to make another show about westworld. Hey but that one soon really good it. Yeah absolutely completely different. Take on the idea So yeah so I mean great concept but it just was poorly done at the time and it it suffered for it by getting yanked extremely early so honestly a one thousand nine hundred and I actually remember watching that first episode going. Wow this is crap So yeah now. As as as far as the scores on that you'd be surprised actually is a score on Internet movie database of four point six out of ten bow. Wow Yeah no rotten tomatoes or anything like that but if you are a westworld fan so if you liked the show the HBO show and you like the movie and you want to see an entirely different. Take on the store. You can actually watch all five completed episodes on Youtube and Amazon prime video for a dollar ninety nine episode which is ridiculous. You know one point one nine cents per episode. But they are they are available if you are a sadist now of course none of this mentions the sequel the movie sequel of course to Westworld which was future world that came out few years after westworld that is also kind of an interesting take on the on. The story I I suppose in the history of these movies. It's not considered Canon or I don't know what is or not anymore but it's another it's just another version of the whole thing. Of course Michael. Crichton would take that concept of disaster at a theme park Jurassic Park years later and that turned out pretty well. I'm sure you would agree. You know for a little film as it was. It wasn't bad it was okay. It was all right. I mean for its time I think yeah so that was my first pick kind of a really really obscure one but I like where it kind of sits in the history of the westworld franchises kind of this sort of You Know Bastard Stepchild that never quite the Aso beyond Westworld. That's my first pick very good. Thank you yeah it's It's if there's anything other band the HBO Series In my naivete. I didn't even know movie planned a growing by the way a great movie. No my second pick I think. One of probably my favorite picks of all time on the last fifty six episodes. Yes Oh yeah. Oh Yeah now let me ask you. Can you think of a movie that you know? Well love movie that was mainly a TV. Show that the chemo. Show is almost more popular than the movie. Well I think the one I mentioned that I was probably that But there's many there's really not. There really isn't impressive. Small nation. So if you get this show happen to get into the small Group as it were. It's a pretty big deal. I'm talking about none other than the enemy TV series because now the only tie with goals weekday mornings on ready. What are you ready for eating? My Docs Moore Wild. You'RE GONNA love tracks running moaning. Oh absolutely adore this. Tv show now out of the child because of course the original movie came out in nineteen eighty eight I was very young years old so I think if anything my parents probably wouldn't WanNa show me so much scared but the person action I remember was watching the TV show TV. Show premiered on my birthday in one thousand nine hundred nine And it ran for a couple of years and it is essentially the crime. Do kind of Trump right. There's beetlejuice they've made hit and they have to explore both me peaceful pines Area of the world where they and then also another world Where beetlejuice frequently Kinda goes down to and of course something happened where there's a missing or the missing person or limiting dog and they have to you know every episode ends with them Discovering the crime. Or you know and it was one of those things I think the show really job. Towing line between If you know doing it for themselves or they're really liked video their friends and the the team show definitely Agassi was was dumb job. But it doesn't kid down right so if you for younger kids than the Fantastic movie but he had some really crucial friendship It talks about being ostracized of what you look like It there the movie character that I think would to define my life at least up until high school a deep because I wanted to be that strange and unusual person and I were all black and I was obsessed with taking photos. And so she was. I was her So basically this TV series is so beloved by everybody that he brings almost as high as average. The movie originally beetlejuice Which of course I think probably one of the highest amount of votes I've ever seen on a On a site eighty. Four Percent Manzi six percents critic are because at some point five it. Reply Them But the TV series. Sam still at an eighty five percent with metacritic and a seven point five on TV. Switch right there and they they I think one of the best things about show honestly. She's The music. You're just take a listen. Yup Abe remind me of my childhood now now the great thing about about this was they got hit everything right for a TV show based on a movie to kind of like not fail. I think he needs to quite serious. Wanted Typically is the voice actors right so they have to be the same you know. They have to recognizable or very close to it Beneath have the same sort of like style but the same sort of mentality behind it and they do well if they have the same sort of crew and captain directors and producers the center. This is true for this one. The Tim Burton directed beetlejuice the movie but his friends partner directed the TV series. The theme was done by any else. Men Who I think you worked with. Tim Burton on. Maybe every movie. You ever moving. No really I run onto you and had a falling out for a little while and Yeah and so but then they made up so well good for Christmas and we needed that field. Used a nightmare for Christmas defined my life anyway But then y'all spend at the scene for beetlejuice and also for the TV series They did not have See many of the original actors doing voices but they had it was announced that Sounded enough like Lydia. Enough like beetlejuice there. I think it was believable. But yeah it's four seasons First Premier ABC then Fox pictures ends up picking up boxes great because at that time they had a whole slew of kids Tv show programs all the way from the X. Men two Spiderman Two gargoyles You know the beetlejuice. Everything in between so They had a whole host. Like right. There you're talking about the scene Marvel Disney all of that But the guy who voiced beetlejuice key also He's in another voice That you might recognize that you might know. He was actually beast in the X men. Tv show so it's interesting. How many people who work in voice acting are across like these platforms that because they can just do so many things that their voice is going on with. You know absolutely who who's a good example of that The kinds of when what's his name. You know what I'm talking about and it's on the tip can't in in such impartial in them down Georgian. Jim Coming coming. Go I go there. Tim Companies and he has been so many things like that but in any case. Where can you watch? Do well like my first pick. It's kind of hard because it's so popular that a lot of times I think companies would rather make money off the distribution of Physical you know. Dvd's and Blu rays whether that allow me to be streamed Landfill last one. You can find the entire for even sex on their emotion Sometimes they're broken up into two parts of three parts but you know kicking gap you can find them on Youtube But you can buy on Amazon for it. Looks like thirty seven dollars. A new and it comes to all four seasons the complete series And expect a good show because I think even as an adult watching crippling. I chuckled with something. And that must be. That must be feel really good producers and the writers knowing that twenty years later. We're still getting enjoyment out of out of this one thing that can take and like. I said it's probably one of my favorite picks up all kinds. That's really really cool. And you know what's interesting is there's a. There's a history of movies that spawn animated versions. That were just as good if not better than the movies. Themselves I'm thinking of the real ghostbusters. Batman the Animated Series. No in the ghostbusters. One Eagle and have that weird yellow hair there was there was a back to the Future TV series. That was under animated series. People know that what? Yeah the highlander. Was a woman called the ray-ban online. But this highlander. The animated series which was it was actually pretty good too So there's a few of them out there that you just sort of picked up the ball and ran with it in some weird directions action because you pretty much anything you want which is great sooner. Yes and that's really cool like that all right so my second. Pick now way way back at twenty fourteen. Not that way back but you know a couple of New Zealanders got together to make a film called what we do in the shadows. Yep Now those New Zealanders were jemaine. Clement of the comedy duo flight of the conchords. I love and Taika Waititi writer and director of Thor Ragnarok and Joe Rabbit and Yes and yes he just got tapped to do a star wars movie yet but I cannot wait. Hopefully he will finally bring the funny to Star Wars. It's been a discharge failed miserably. Sorry Yeah so now. I have to admit being a fan of both of these gentlemen. I was expecting really great things from what we do in the shadows when he went to see Remember I was actually disappointed with the film I was I was. I thought it was clever. I love the premise. But I didn't really laugh that much. I think it was that funny. Just thought it was clever. Yeah when they announced that a version for the fx channel was in the works. It wasn't on my radar is something I needed to see. Thankfully my better half suggests we give it a try and I am so glad I did what we do in the shadows TV series is amazing. It is not a copy of the movie the characters and the setting or different but the premises the same which is a group of very old very European Vampires live together in a large house on Staten Island while their lives are being filmed a documentary. Now before anybody brings this up thought of this to. How are they being recorded for a documentary? You can't see reflection. I yeah and you. Can't they establish that you cannot see their reflection mirror but I I? They've never explained that out of probably never will because it just doesn't really matter but to me it's just like one of those things that bugs me but having said that now Looking out for the vampires is gear mo vampire familiar who endures insult after insult while hoping that one day is master will turn him into a vampire. Yeah and I'm almost positive. Game was probably named after the director. Guillermo del Toro Oh who directed the second blade movie as well as other amazing movies. I love the auditory always so good so good now. The best way to describe this show. It's like the office and parks and recreation were bitten by. It's so so funny There was one of my favorite episodes. Where was where the three Three Vampires that live in the house There's Nando for nausea and Laszlo They Ha- they accidentally kill an ancient vampire. Baron and so they're brought before the Vampire Council and the council is made up of vampires from different movies Paul Reubens peewee Herman who was a vampire in buffy. The vampire slayer as that character. And you have the three vampires from the what we do in the shadows movie are there and Cate Blanchett is there and also via a Webcam. Is Wesley Snipes as Blade Real West? Just like it's so funny it's brilliant so there's almost all these really fun little nods and references. And you know it's just it's just hilarious and I if you like that kind of thing. I highly recommend it because it is just absolutely drop dead. Larry Awkward to where it comes. The office comes get sometimes. It's awkward thing like maybe Jim. Look at the camera or something breaking the fourth wall. Vampires do that game. Oh does that. It's just talk and you gotta wonder you know you got to wonder what's going and one of my favorite characters as Colin Robinson. Who is the Energy Vampire? Golden You doing in here. This is my bedroom my name is Colin Robinson and I am a energy vampire. We either bore you with a long conversation. John or Don. We enrage you. Oh Yeah Yeah. And he's basically boring everybody to do this whole thing. Drains your energy just by by droning on an office to. It's it's so funny. It's really really good Tv for very good reason. It is bloody and Profane and I wouldn't have it any other way to me. It's funny in a way the movie wasn't and I am really really enjoying it. That's awesome to take that up. I've only seen bits and pieces like on Youtube and I was like. This is cool interesting topic. You have all these different representations of vampires because they have the traditional You Know Transylvania. And they've got they've got like you know almost. I don't know if they have like an Edward Twilight Birds. But that's the kind of thing like you know 'cause every vampire basically has done little You know recognizable trait vampires. You know they're all like different. They all have their own little their own quirks which yeah exactly which is really interesting. And there's one episode where there's a ghost in house and the Vampires. There's no such thing as ghosts. And they're familiar gear. Says wait a minute. Wait a minute. Excuse me. Vampires are real. I've seen aware wolf. I've seen a Baba Duck but draw the line at ghosts. They want. What. Yeah it's a IT'S A. It's really really funny. It gets an eight point four at ten on the Internet Bubis and a ninety seven percent on rotten tomatoes so it just started. Its second season on fx Season One is available right now on. Hulu if you subscribe. Yeah if if you're into that kind of thing absolutely check it out. It's well worth so what we do in the shadows absolutely fantastic. Yeah I'm just like I can't I can't say enough good things about it like One of my favorite sort of mockumentary. Those were like it's fun for me. Yeah Yeah just when you think kind of just that that format has been like office parks and REC and all that even modern family does that or did that before had completely depressing and sad. And then yeah you know if. I've only seen clips of what we show on Youtube and I'm still saying up. There would be no my goodness. It's fantastic and you just. It's one of those that you have to bench because you got to see what's going on. You gotTA keep watching it. Yeah Oh yes indeed. Which by the way they a TV series actual fictional TV series and Nicholas Cage as July? Sonic no I'm okay. Oh my God so many of these really. It's a point I think he does it just Joe. Music himself played these random. Just weird characters that make no sense Okay I I thought it was going to be somebody else that we play him like A lot of people were thinking in my be David State Yeah. He did JOE dirt. Which is the same thing. So yeah. He's desperate attempt to get back into relevance. But you know okay fair enough fair enough bread. Oh this is a good episode. Good pick we. Did you have any honorable? Mentions I already mentioned them. Actually Duffy the vampire slayer would probably going to be my thing. It's one I know we've talked about That a musical episode but That's also a show that I grew up watching and I think it has a huge fan base but if I were to bring it up it would kind of be like yes. Obvious that would have been my armament and you can watch that currently right now if you have to be. You've watching original movie and I believe you can watch that on Nice Nice for me out of a mentions include Ash Versus Evil Dead Stars. Which of course is a sequel to the evil dead movies and it is just as a crazy bloody and Raunchy as the movies right another one. That's on Youtube is Cobra Kai which is the the the original karate kid movies really good great performances really well done and my last one is one from the past Which is an odd ball. One It's Friday the thirteenth series And is it was a fantastic horror anthology show from the eighties. That had absolutely nothing to do with Jason Movies but it was really really good. It was basically this like a Curio shop. Part thing and all of the items in the pawnshop were cursed so if you if you bought one there was a curse a specific curse that came with each object and the owners on shop dies and hairs try to retrieve every single one of those cursed items and put it back in the in the vault in the store because killing people you know the curse curriculum people is a great show last few seasons and it was just fantastic but nothing to do with the Friday the thirteenth movies which I think confused a lot of people I can imagine so but that's also I believe available on Amazon prime video but there's a great show awesome. Yeah excellent very nice. I'm just glad that because even though we're in quarantine we're still doing public service. Yeah and I call it up for not getting paid for it but in any no different okay no say whatsoever but you know it's really awesome is that we have all of our episodes currently available on. I tunes an. I'm apple podcast. 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Episode 131 Gargoyles

The Moratorium

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Episode 131 Gargoyles

"Hey Phil free. It's Tim from the moratorium just here to remind you that if you enjoy what you hear please like Shirin subscribe, then rinse and repeat we're just a couple of small town nerds trying to make sweet geek love to your ear holes and we can use your support. Check out our website for movie reviews, links to social media, merch movies, and more. You can find us at the moratorium dot Com. Now, that's out of the way on with the Shenanigans. Welcome to the moratorium I'm your host Tim Cornerman. Each week I will be joined by some esteemed and I use that term loosely movie watchers and breaking down some of the weirdest strangest films to ever not necessarily grace the big screen. These are the deep dive auditees backroom bootlegs that appeal only to the die hard film fans. So sit back and enjoy the ride into the dark vault of the movie moratorium. S. I've listened to just my tracking now it's just me. Responding to questions that no one is asking weird. Really. Weird. Ed. It's like better some yeah. I understood. Better. I understood the movie better. That's it. I tried to talk about everything but the movie yeah. That's should be the name of our podcast everything but the movie. Yeah. Dame sometimes. Sometimes. It's you know we get off track a little Yeah. I think we're getting better though about the like talking over each other thing I feel like I do it a lot and. I'm really trying to just sometimes you know you just got Scott Shut your gap for a little while. But you know then crims the creative editing. Each Other. Is Are. You don't do much editing. It's very much. What we say is what's put out there in the world that would be incredible. Somewhere. There's just little deleted chunks of me going Making noises because I can't seem to. Not Make noises. I wonder if I compare him back to back as many times as we say just to see how long while. would. It would go for days. Yeah. It would end and madness. As. Every one of our podcasts seems to do guess true especially the ones that stretch on for a while I'd like to think that we're getting smarter but really I think you pointed out the other day that Yeah you know we're pushing out the good information and low Yap shit like. Who the fuck is Jim Connell you know, right If we ever get on jeopardy and there is A. You Know Alan Fudge category than we can just all take fudge for five hundred and yet. I love a five hundred. That's his memoir I am the fudge. Alan please guide us. Like our patron saint. Can we get him at a medallion I could wear it around my neck and remember kids he your fudge. So. Much. But we need something to protect ourselves from these pesky frigging. GARGOYLES YEP They're spawns of Satan I think I found out today. I didn't really do a lot of research when I walked this the first time in the I guess I just realized that it's actually there in the Old Testament and I mean, it actually does say Gargoyles I think But maybe we should just get into it and what do you say? Yeah, we'll. We'll. We'll uncover things as we go. All right. Well, welcome to the moratorium. Yeah. Welcome. Your host Tim Mun. And with me as always is my cost August co-host. ME. Jason Walker. Feel. Like one of these days we're GONNA nail that opening but NOPE, not today. nope. Not Today my friend. I create edit so it makes it sound even worse. I'm Oh. Cool. I can just crunch it altogether. So it's like we're both saying the same thing with Dr Different voices, but at the exact same time harmonising is that what she did Manila. May May. I. Might be talking like this for the rest of the pied gas. Nick Nolte you know there's a ton of distortion when the GARGOYLES speak yes. It's probably going to have to stop and talk about that for a while not what I remember them sounding like so much. I mean. Now that I know you know kind of like what type of technology they were using to give them their voices but I, did not remember them sounding like. How would you even I don't know how to describe it. It's almost like a sci fi it sounds like something from doctor who it's like somebody was speaking through r two D two's asshole. Yes exactly using R. Two D. Two as like a gravity bong or something in the were just like a talk. They kind of sound like doll lex a little bit if you really. Okay it's like, okay guys. We have this one effect that we can do and we're just GONNA. That's what we're going to stick with. That's it which seventy, two I mean. I don't think I realized how old this movie, right? This was the year I was born. I would like to think that I hold up better than this movie but like to. Light the thing that. I don't even know how we would go about scoring you on. We're going to have to at the very sophisticated test to see if. That so that's what we're. GonNa. Do. Where you and I are going to put a kind of test together. That will see if you or the nineteen seventy two TV movie gargoyles. Which of the two has aged better right. So the rubber suits they're wearing is. Very Similar to the skin I have on my body so I mean lathering A. Thick leathery kind of bunches up two points Yeah It almost doesn't have a lot I mean. Read it. To. ME. This is for my dvd after receiving word about mysterious skeleton unearthed in the Arizona Desert. A father and his daughter visit the man who has it and grabbed the skull as they escape shack, the Gargoyles have attacked. This is the most complicated. That was all. I guess that kind of explains it. Okay. So as they escape once they do. So they as well as the town are besieged by colony of gargoyles living in some nearby caverns, the town that's a loose I think is the town I mean there are four things in this town. willies frigging little Curio shop alkyl Willett Museum. Oh. God. I think it's funny that guy that plays Willie Woody Chambliss. Yeah. His name is woody in like the character name is woody in like a bunch of these. You know because he was an amount of like westerns. Nets Willie for this. I quite she just call him uncle woody. I don't know how would have caused so much confused their source material is named Willy and they just didn't want is such a beloved character that they didn't want to change. It just seems like it's only a couple of letters off and it probably would have helped him because he doesn't seem well in this moving. Dow, I was just reading in the Trivia here just a little bit ago that. Woody Chambliss Uncle Willie he's two years younger than corn wildness. Wow. Because he looks like he could be a wildest father probably. Yes. His the dictionary definition of grizzled. So father daughter taken off to the desert to just kind of poke around the opening scene. What is he picking her up at the airport or something? Yeah. I. Guess she has like a personal jet. No. Maybe, we should just start from the very beginning because the all the stuff you know the narration of the beginning. Kind of explaining what gargoyles are I I, guess they're explaining what Gargoyles are. Gargoyles are fictional creatures. Well they were. A minute so you're saying that. was once the most. Of playing it right in the middle of it but anyway, that narration it does set you up. And it looks really cool. I. Mean I love these. There's nothing more like seventy s than this kind of introduction but he's saying basically that everybody knows we have gargoyles and it was just a matter of time before they started attacking that I listened to that right? Sure. Sure and who was it? That had the opening I I saw earlier. and. It was like is somebody I'm sure it somebody maybe it's John Larroquette again. That would be awesome. Got So. Lost already. So this aired on TV in like November, of Nineteen seventy-two. Halloween movie it wasn't I talked to todd about a friend of ours todd briefly about it because I remember watching it as a kid on TV and you know it came out a few years before I was born. So I was like, when would I have been in? Was Old enough to enjoy you know you know Kinda racking my brain trying. To think of these like 'cause I knew it had to be on like an old like creature feature late at night or or Sunday afternoon when they used to play like Godzilla movies and stuff and todd says, no, I, know exactly what I saw it was from I. saw it on the plenty scary movie on channel as that it was on ABC. So, go that and just listened to the opening music and stuff when I was a I was like Oh. Yeah that that's exactly where I heard or for I watched the first time awesome and remember being freaked out and at the same time just like loving it you know the only thing I really remember from my childhood from this film is the gargoyles being hit by what I thought was their car but noah was a semi I thought the exact same thing I thought they hit it but no, he's just like road kill. He's not paying attention to the now. Do they explain that why is he just out was? He'd going for a jog or something. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was. Associates Vic Perrin was he the Vic Perrin? I think he's the narrator and Vic Perrin actually played a voice of A. Yeah while he's in there just. But he did all sorts of voices for all of our cartoons back in the day I mean he? Yeah he has a very distinctive voice. We're talking Scooby Doo Dragnet Superman, aquaman our. Oh right space ghost. This has to be all voice work, but it says he was in watchmen mission impossible. Oh, I see. Yeah. Watchmen was for the soundtrack I see and mission impossible is the TV show from sixty six I've got a little confusing he died in eighty nine so. But we probably heard his voice I don't know a billion times. That's crazy. So very interesting we'll have to look at him some more. Let's let our audience know that you can watch this for free on. I'm actually on shout factory tv.com. As exactly where I saw Tim McKay and they have all the all the a lot of the old MST's if you just suck up on over to get done with this. So I, love this fond. Yeah. The gargoyles falling gooey drippy font. Like slime kind of. Dig. Equal. Is the epitome of like seventies movie like Cornell Wilde Shirt I would kill for his like it looks uncomfortable actually to be like walking around in the desert, but it was the seventies everything was made out of polyester and what other flammable materials people wanted to. Basically, guys back then were just a Molotov cocktail that hadn't been lit yet. How close would go right up the stuff in their hair aftershave like high karate. And they all smoked. That's probably where like spontaneous combustion occurs just like a gold watch and a medallion and a pool of Greece. Oh, I was just looking at Grayson home she plays Mrs Parks. Yeah, she was only in her fifties when she was initiatives can looks a little bit older, Lisi. It was her idea to have a glass in her hand in through every. She's like, can I just bring this into the shot with 'cause? I'm not quite done with it. That's what. Everybody's drunk, we don't care. Because there is a scene later where she goes into the sheriff's Office opens up his desk steals a bottle of his booze to refill her glass. That is amazing WANNA. Live in this town. Seems like there's some just crazy shit going on. So let's get into a little bit We're at the Airport Cornell Wilde picking up his daughter Right Cornell Wilde and his daughter basically the two main characters. That's Jennifer Saul. She wears everything mid drift which you know. A fine. Would just happy that Cornell Wilde is not wearing the same. Thing. He shows up in the top from like the girl from Texas chainsaw massacre. SEE WHOLE BACK All of his malls. She brings him I. Guess I don't know where she brought it from. Him, a statue of a demon. And he what's the name of it? I. Had it earlier? Or something that sounds right. Yeah I think it's hang on a second Kalomo Dri. There we go. He's like, Hey, you brought Kalomo Dri. been looking for him. We've been waiting the party. I see you turned him into Bong. That would be awesome. He likes the head off of it and it was just a long. Like it had liquor under something. They're getting the car and he says Kalomo Dri will just about complete my collection of demons he's collecting Damon's he's got a demon collection yeah. I guess in the seventies you could have a demon collection. He's an author he wrote a book the basically talking about how demons were not real. Well, he's getting ready to find out that there are some demons and they're going to talk to him in a bizarre Li a formal manner through a kids like Synthesizer Old Senate? And maybe signed him up for the trial lamb Come you're waiting for it is that the only thing that you can think of that Bernie Casey in Bernie Casey is the main gargoyles and he I assume they picked him because he's like six foot four or something yeah, he is. He is six foot four. Let's just make this Gargle as big and imposing as we can. But he's like it is very strange thinking that he is under all that makeup like really Bernie Casey. You're right though I started thinking about it and I was trying to think of the thing that I would know him from. The. Most yeah and I think it's just in the mouth of madness and he's only in it for like five minutes until the crazy guy comes through the window nosy and it would have been revenge of the nerds all the way for me I will. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yes. Of course, have closed revenge of the NERDS. So Gargoyles Bill Norton directed it kind of looked at him his stuff for a little bit nothing too exciting except he's down as the writer for convoy. Yes. You knew I was going to bring this up. Yes I was hoping you were GonNa Bring it out I love that movie. he didn't direct it but he he wrote it and I had to look at convoy. We're going to look at it here in just a minute to. A lot more talk about Oh, about convoy maybe not necessarily okay by itself again, because this could easily turn into a convoy podcast and I've just slide right into. The lateral move. Yeah. Maybe not even maybe a kind of step down but still needs to be discussed. He also directed baby the secret of the lost legend my God. Yeah, I saw this at the theater. Wow Rag. I saw it on a endless loop on HBO in the. Couple of summers after it came out and I was like, this is crap. Crap and it's crap now. So he did a more American graffiti. I've actually seen that obviously didn't really go over you look at his credits and there's a lot TV? Men Anyway I wanted to bring up I just wanted to bring up convoy because we're going to circle back around to that here in just don't WanNa talk about Cisco Pike. James Taylor allowed gene Hackman's in that. Show Harried hdfs is in this Cisco Pike? A down on his luck former drug dealer is forced by corrupt LAPD policemen to sell one hundred kilos of confiscated marijuana and one weekend. Cisco Pike. starring. Kris Kristofferson. Karen, black and Gene Hackman. Some good people. No Howard Hessman doctor Johnny fever and a girl by the name of Aviv s just her name Viva and she plays Myrna. Oh. She looks like a Myrna. Not to be them, she's definitely a Myrna. That means ahead of wall with that one with Myrna. That first scene where they go to Willie's place. Is Pretty Cool Bow. Yes. Actually. That jumps really quickly into the acts. Yeah. That's true. It doesn't mess around. Did we talk anything about Stan Winston Nugget like his one of his first projects yen take that over real quick I will because I'm looking at it right now they actually won an academy award for Onum sorry as a primetime emmy because it's a TV movie. they want an emmy for makeup outstanding achievement in makeup del Armstrong, Ellis Berman. Junior and Stan wins. That's pretty awesome Yup and that's you know what stuck with me probably the most is how good the I mean. You know it's low budget, but the makeup, the Garg oil makeup is. Pretty terrifying. You know. Which is, what makes it so cool when you will get to when they actually talk it's a weird juxtaposition. I just stumbled across a bit of Trivia here that I didn't realize. Here. Says, Bernie. Casey's voice was replaced by Vic Perrin's voice and post production Because his natural speaking voice didn't fit the character of ahead gargoyles you like we said the voice is manipulated so much. I can't really tell who it is, but it is very creepy. I think you know because you see these thing. Well, let's we'll talk about that a little later on when we get to the actual Gargoyles, the titular gargoyles we can talk about it. Let's get moving just a little bit too. So's we called this'll statute that he had the Callum Odra column. Whatever Hey, you brought it up I couldn't find where read but it said that that demon is not listed always not an official demon as an actual demon right I guess he's still waiting on his papers so. If we could start a go fund me page for the Kalam Dra. His. Baseball card isn't worth hardly. Any right even with his signature right has he's not a real demon. it seems like they could have pulled maybe the maybe they didn't want to. You know how they didn't WanNa, give any real information case kids like picked it up and started like speaking in tongues and shit. I mean the statute that she hands him looks like something you would find in like Spencer's or like a head shop or something. It's not very, it's not like an ancient relic. and. They don't give us a good close look at it is the reason for their little adventure because willy had gotten a hold of Cornell wild somehow I think. So I think we have a small conversation when we meet Willy and we talk with him. That he was kind of plugging his own story and Kinda wanted coronel. Backing up yeah. To write a book for him that's what I think. That's what he was selling. I say. Well I there's one line of dialogue that has like you know. Well, that's why I brought you out here. You know like just something in passing, but was he already in the area doing research? I don't know. I don't know I'm still on their car right over to willies and. They're talking about demon -nology and what he you know this book that he's going to write about five thousand years, of Demon, -nology, that'd be the ultimate coffee table book you know I would love to have that bullies book five, thousand years deem analogy will trace a man's conception of evil through the ages does he say more monsters more fun and profit? Yeah. More monsters founding. Prophet. Something colorful inexpensive for copy tables of American, more monsters for fun and profit as a way better name for the Book Than Five Thousand Years at the knowledge. Kinda Punch it up a little bit. Really sell it guys. It's like a self help demon. -nology book. So they're trying to find Willie. Some willies contacted them about something that he found. Yes he just happens to have. A curio shop in the middle of nowhere. That's like you know come. See the two headed snake take a look at my lizard collection. Come back into the back room and pay a dollar to be unnecessarily fondled on new. You're GONNA say fondled. I think there's somebody in the back of their station wagon Oh man I just saw it. His head under a blanket it's. Earth's the sound guy. Like that, it's the sound guy I can see his head under a little blanket I was GonNa let it slide but since you brought it up. Or they've got a kid back there. That's just like playing one of those old electronic games and they just never mentioned him. Dies in a hot car while they're being were fighting gargoyles. She's like I did billy come with you. God callum Ooh Dri the end of something to sacrifice. Yeah. So, there's a lot of wide open shots you know of them driving down the highway they're not wasting any time. Really they're jumping right into exposition. I wrote this down as exposition highway. Yeah. Get. The whole Spiel Dad, are you lost? No, I'm not lost I just made a wrong turn way back. Then you're lost Nia that's the definition. Also, there's just one dirt road. How did you off? I dig this when they're in the car though when they're stopped and make three point in writing. To make a u-turn this the shadow that goes over the. Creepy of course, they're not really looking they're just like a shadow. I'M NOT GONNA look up into the sky is literally nothing around us for miles. What they know made that is some kid flying a kite in the desert. But then they're just like well. The small cloud that looked like a gargoyles Passover I read in the Tribune on aimed e be this whole movie was filmed with one camera. I. Believe it. At that guy in the backseat. Like please, don't drop the camera only one we have. The two headed mystery Lizard. See the snake den Uncle Willie's desert museum sent. That says cold drinks of it says something before that there was cold there was cold beer and he makes a comment of Heller something stop here for anyway here's just another building not by the septic tank that just says snakes. Man No doors on it so It's Already worried. Three Indian blankets for sale out curios is what it says isn't that a song now? Not GonNA sing it. Yeah it was a song. Yes. See that he's got just a building this as snakes. Stapled a cowhide to his ceiling in the kitchen. We talked about this the other day though talking about the movie Resurrection I. Oh yes. She hasn't healing touch thing but yeah, at the end she kinda runs the a place like this. See the two headed snake Oh really. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. That's a weird ending. I never want to see that movie again. No. Okay. Willie just handed them a couple of just warm coors here. This'll really wet your whistle and she gets startled by this rattlesnake that's in the cage. Yeah. For the next two minutes during their talk tapping on. vk right. I don't think you really want to do that. Now she seems dumb like she's not going to arrive arrival. She's just the type of girl that would be kidnapped by GARGOYLES. It's so weird that in this I mean, she's like a grown woman in this movie not teenager, but it's just weird like hanging out with your dad and like bell bottoms and just like a tiny bikini, top? Yep. Weird erm I just it kind of bothered me to. Willy doesn't seem to mind. nope. You know I'm younger than your dad back. Take you back to the back and show you one of my bones? Hey, hey, don't go away. Did I mention bones? No wild as the best line ever and I don't know if I would have. Voted caught it except for the closed captioning but. Right when they walk into this shack I, guess the gargoyles shack a says smells like old bones yes. WanNa. What do you mean? What do you old bones smell like i? Don't think they have a particular smell do they I will have to consult my own? But Willie is like, yes. Finally I've found someone who is on my. You, know just bone smeller he goes to show them his gargoyles. He'd get a wing Gargoyles made up in the shed, right? That's that he's piece together then he say that it took. Quite a while to put it together. You know that he found these bones and he put them back together right? He found them. I think he said he's been working for a while to put them all back together. But the gargoyles chose this night to try to break into cry Maine's yeah. That is weird. That is really the basis of this entire setup is that the gargoyles were just trying to keep a secret that they actually existed so they were trying to retrieve. said. Bones right. which sort of makes sense. But what's weird is like Are they're two types of gargoyles well I. Think they said that they were breeders. Okay. So there Are the breeders, the winged ones I don't know. Okay and the rest are just like worker Gargoyles I guess. because. Then Bernie Casey straight up looks like. A man kind of. Like a longer nose in bigger team but the Goethe and you know what I mean I mean like if he had come out in like a leisure suit or something, and then he talked very like polite and like human to maybe he's just evolved. You know he's the first one of his kind or something. I think he points to one of the other. Gargo. Like speak. So they all have the capability use your big words. He's all about integration. He wants to become a US citizen. I assume. So but Cornell Wilde not buying this this gargoyles bones skeleton bullshit. Yeah. Pretty good work old man but those are human bones and you're a serial killer in the cops. Obviously, bones from your victims is this where Dr Forrester got the idea to. So a pig's head onto a fish mating. It's possible. Willie really pours on the kind of exposition stuff to kind of like boggy creek. He's got those bones in their apparently the gargoyles just. So earlier at seems like maybe burning case, he was kind of already checking out Diana from afar yet maybe that he's just following her. you know wants a mate like you said he's trying to integrate. Yeah. That's the fastest way to get his citizenship is to marry into yet exact can have one of those kinds of arranged fake marriages so he can get US citizenship. That would be a good plot better than what we have here. I think. So just have a montage of him like she's writing stuff on the chart board like the. Battle of Illinois you know I think that would work when he gets her into the cave, the Kaverner, their vendor home, and Asir to read to him. Right. You know he binds the sound of her voice. Pleasing. Yes and the Bikini doesn't hurt either tell me tell me more about Archie and Veronica So, willy is laying it on thick his smell o old bones is not the only smell and. I, guess we are to assume that they've been hanging out with it was broad daylight when they walked back to this other. Shed or whatever. And they've been here listening to his story for our. Wars in a hot ass shed drinking warm beer, and just listening to the ravings of a madman. Actually. Sounds like a Saturday, night at sounds fun. Now set out now that I've pieced together and said it out loud and he's also got a fucking Rad Monster Skeleton Yeah Yeah, never mind this is all I ever wanted. He's like I. Got a necker number gone to if you WANNA see that. That is cool. You know thinking that like you know just a roadside attraction thing has an actual like. Monster in it besides will. The true, monsters now, willy. has become kind of furtive and. He slowly walks over into spits a big old bar on the on the door. So that means that this has happened before they have come for the skeleton before it's like boggy creek where they have the little creature and you know the mom or whatever keeps coming by and just like scaring the shit out of everybody you brought it upon yourself. Yeah. Exactly. He also says some names there's some Indian names that are really hard to pronounce. Neck Neck Ataka keep. Show. is so hard. It is actually in this very lengthy blog on the last drive in I, read it like six times and still couldn't. He says noneya Tana to much I don't know which I think they were talking about either Hopi, Indian any. But it spelled no cit I see H. I. N. C. O.. S.. Which I read was something liking Greek or mythology that just meant gargoyles. Something like that. Yeah okay, so they're listening or the to record him. and. The gargoyles start attacking the shed. Willie is. Bombed on the head by A. Shelf and set on fire in almost instant. Yes. Like this shit it almost like the gargoyles didn't do it. You know. Everything was just a ticking time bomb like that shelf it was barely taped up. Like the whole shed was just held together with a few. Blake, strategic bones, and if you mess with them the whole, the whole thing comes down of that. Made me laugh though it kind of looks like Willy What's his name? Would he would he? Really, does look like the actor and you know it's all like foam and stuff, but he really gets clobbered and then it's like gallons of kerosene. There's. Whiskey barrel wooden barrels say kerosene on it. Yes. Is Basically A. Living on a ticking time, bomb was bound to blow at any time. So he goes to basically grab the skull He's trying to save his artifact right even with him getting bogged on the head. Yeah, and a lantern falls and catches on fire are good. Doctor does nothing really to save him? No uses two by four to scrape that skull over to me exactly leave in this five hours or five minutes ago his foot is touching your foot and you're not even a tribal like role playing. Something I'm not even GonNa Piss on him Yeah I've got a quick question. Okay. I. Just saw this. It's at seventeen thirty eight where Jennifer salt and Cornell they're running out of the shack that's on fire. It looks like somebody is thrown a dead bird, her they live chick. Okay. Somebody threw a live chicken and her and the close captioning I'm almost there. Say. It. Yes. I think it is. In brackets chicken cluck. The, close captioning in this has saved my life and is really funny chickens walking is what it says. So, and then she runs around back into the shed that's on fire. If I mean if it had been to her, she would burn the death because he's scared of chicken cornell has to turn around. Point towards the. Yeah that shed goes up like Freakin. Waco. Like it instantly engulfed in flame. was there a like key grip off to the side is throwing chickens at Diane I think. So I think so Diana Weird. Choice. Is Very kind of like a little evil dead is sure they were recording Willie was he saying that there was a ceremony that would turn a man into a gargoyles or something I missed the law that? You might have to go back and I surely there's not just goes nowhere but I I think you're onto something that'd be cool like the end of the Howling Diana would just like turn into Gargoyles to somehow. That would be awesome. Painter Green and leave that red top that she has. And Belva? Art So the shack is on fire Williams died they have no remorse. So we don't know that Willie might still be alive they never checked. Never Shack. Although. The spilled whisky on his pants and his beard. That's what made him so flammable basically. Just kindling. So Willy had a good life I thank sure. But if you really if you look at him when he's trying to explain when he's doing his exposition, you look at his face and he's two years younger. And Cornell Wilde that is A. I guess that's just the difference between a demon Allah Gist and day A. Roadside. Curios own, Museum Cure Habur. Has Long career as a curio however. So they don't really seem too concerned when they're driving away. It's like Kinda easy. Shit happens. All. Of that can be explained. That was nothing it was wolves. Remember that old guy. But they play this audio tape back several times while somebody shaking the car off to the. Work the smoke machine. When you see the the Gargoyles I, love the steam or yes. Smoke coming out of the back of the car. Yes. It's kind of a red light. Beckett. But when the gargoyles comes up on top of the car, it can't it's reminiscent of like Halloween, right? Yeah. My Car and lost boys to that's that's kind of the same lighting. So the drive with him on the top and he's basically going we. Allow stuff there. And, Cornell Wilde is just jerking that car back and I. Love His fake driving in that sane and even Jennifer salt like lacquer head dips towards the. She's like really selling. Yes. Slapping. Her head against the window. Have some fun. So, here's another. Another gas station I don't they haven't had a real good track record with flammable stuff. So. Yeah maybe you should wait until somebody pumps the gas for you. Yes. So the gargoyles gets thrown from the hood of the car. And they just go off to a gas station and one of the only a few standing structures. In entire movie they just burnt down one of them, right? There in like death valley or something and. Still don't seem very concerned about what's going on no. No they play off what happened to the car. A can you fix this? It looks like somebody Claude, the hood of the this is deep gouges. The guy's like, yeah, it's midnight. Sure. I'll get the work on your. Hug Get your hoop. Up. Good. Hey, where where are you in the film? They got to the hotel. You get to see the creepy what's her name? What's The lady that wanted to drink and everything? Her name is Grayson Hall. Yeah. She play Mrs, Parks. So she is the the maybe the owner, the proprietor this. Hotel and what she's immediately just Oh, you wouldn't believe what I've seen up here I went you stay for a nightcap. Stay for a nightcap. Okay He. They, get a hotel room from her apparently. And I I mean that's the seventies but Jennifer salt cannot be bothered with a brawl no raw other listen tired of him. But again, it's the seventies. So they're like so tired that they can't get a hold of the police that night. So they just sleep it off and I guess they're going back to Willie's with the police. To find. Billions still smoldering body I. Do love this she sleeping by the way and he keeps playing that. Tape over and over. Yeah. She awakes from her slumber. Own Screaming. At tape of cannot be good for you. She did not reach the Rem sleep with that but he didn't say that it was noon. She was still asleep he's. Ready to go in it's noon you haven't gone to the cops yeah. Again he could. He could still be alive. Willie is just less important than anything Willie, basically sacrificed his life. So the guy could write a book. Yes with his. Daughter and. This scene with the the not even a gang. It's just a bunch of guys riding dirt bikes in the desert. Yeah. Why does the sheriff like immediately jumped out in his deputy has shotgun on yes. Oh, they are ready to kill them. Yes this is. So trigger-happy Maybe. There's back story on this. I'm sure they're roving gang of dirt bikers if you're in the seventies and your Anna town like this this. Phenomenon will occur naturally, there will be a cracker shariff and a young punk for him to chase It's like a requisite thing and all a small towns I think you know you think. Maybe, they just needed a fill some time. Because when they start chasing down Scott Glen and the other motorcyclists yeah. That eats up a few minutes. Oh my second dukes of Hazzard same basically, and it almost looks like they may have sped it up a little bit. Yeah. I was I noticed that too also that's the sheriff driving that giant car deputy still got his shotgun when he pulls out to chase. The bikers he. Hits Diana she had to move back. He almost clips cornell grabs her by the shoulder. Thank God because she for sure would have broken both of her legs taken out both kneecaps Yay. This chase is kind of fun. Yeah you know. Yeah. It goes on for quite some time and he probably would have shot at him before now. Exactly. But I think they're given a chance to setup Have you mentioned that Scott Glen. The Guy. In Blue Scott Glen, there's only a few lines from other of the so-called gang by one of them is a stuntman course. Yes. Who is also a gargoyles? Right Yes. I. Feel like a lot of people on this head like double roles. You Know Oh. Yeah. Jennifer. Can you please hold this boom mic out of frame? Yes. Clothes. I mean the sheriff's basically like we'll hell if you guys weren't around, we would have executed him already. You're saying they didn't do anything against the law. Different. Strokes for different folks I get when the the friend purposefully runs into Scotland and knocks. He does so I don't even know what they take him. They take him in for being vagrants for looting wearing too much denim. Yet. I think I read I. Think Scott Glen was in his thirties in this is this is first movie or as I. Really. But he is wearing a Canadian Tuxedo. He's got a denim jacket denim pants denim shirt then everything. What did I say? Canadian? Yes, that's very odd what I meant to say okay. Good. The scene where the gargoyles like bust into their motel room yes. which their motel rooms like a whole like floor of a house or something it has a couple of big spaces. Yeah. So one gargoyles like in the bathroom like trying to make up and shit. Looking for the skull right I guess but also Mommy's not there. So they're going to try lipstick on and stuff. Cornell is wearing like Aladdin pants like kind of these like flow e like. Looks like the bottoms are just a jeans pants. One gargoyles shuts the bathroom door just to make it explode from the inside. Is already open is causing much damage as he could. There's like three or four of the gargoyles that are just coming to ravaged their bedroom still the skull, right? Right. Why is every action scene for the Gargoyles? Yeah. We sped up the car chases I was thinking about that too and if it was in regular. At regular speed, I mean I think the slow motion does make it slightly crappier maybe their makeup alone it's not like terrifying right And these guys the whoever they look kind of like the drones they just have like beaks. You. Know they kind of look like the sleep stacks in Jalis Same exact thing. Wonder. If that's the same costume makes us repurposes yet thought if they didn't slow it down decreases in the folds in the rubber costume might be more apparent or something. Cornell chases the gargoyles off in one of them. Crossing the streak is hit by a semi. It's almost like a he throws himself in front of a semi at it. Looked very avoidable. Did but the semi driver didn't stop either he's well. Yeah. Not another Goddamn Damn car while. You'RE GONNA. Say the. Same thing. But this is where we can actually get a good view because a good view. Cornell's. Upper Body. He wants to tend to the gargoyles but the doesn't want to touch it at the same time. Yeah. That's how you get Salmonella but that you can see the make up in the face and the is seemed kind of glow behind the makeup. That's pretty Goddamn call does this. Yeah. When he's like kind of tending to the almost dead when it does look cool. and. So many times where you like see the actors are teeth like underneath the custodian even that didn't look bad. So do you think they had those like back then they were just those completely blind contact lenses. That's why I got hit by the car is that what you're saying I mean What if they? What if that wasn't actually in the movie? Actor actually wandered out into the highway and got it. Well, you know. He would want us to keep the footage. I would say I. Dead I feel like in the seventies, there were a lot of like onset deaths that they're just like He knew the risks. That's right. So Now I can't Grayson her name's Grayson. Grayson Hall she looks like She's ready to party. She's been running this hotel slash brothel for years now, right? Being the only poker in the brothel I wouldn't go stuff I wouldn't call her a hooker. Hooker floozy. And maybe boozy floozie Boozy floozy there you go the ad but she does always have that like jelly jar full of wine or whatever that is that's awesome. Jennifer Salts, kind of she like Kinda Horny for. Scott Glen. So she's become kind of a you know social justice person she's like arguing for the yeah they kinda blocked is a little bit will also she is wearing an even more she you're an Top. Right but she all she has an overshirt. Yeah that she loses pretty quickly yet. Come on guys but this was TV. This was seventies team. Yeah. That's true. This is actually pretty risque. I think for seventy two having her run around like that. Yeah. For Seventy two TV anyway, right. This is like such a circular like they go back to the hotel and basically the same scene happens again. Yes. They've got the dead one on the bed and his buddies come to kind bust now. Yes, and they're basically like in a little Congo line by the front door and also all the other Gargoyles I just noticed kind of have different makeup. It's almost like they had a limited amount of time to make these cost so. I think I read this whole thing was filmed in like eighteen days yeah. Right. Didn't isn't there some bit of Trivia be that someone backed out of it because they thought maybe like the first director something backed up I did read something like that. Yeah. Because whoever's producing it was like, okay get this this and this, and it's got to be done like next week. Bill Norton, was a replacement for a previous director who turned down the project because he thought it was impossible to shoot the film and eighteen days apparently not when you just have the same scene happening over again. There is some pretty cool. I mean the way Willie's place blew up as I mean I guess setting the building on fire is like no big deal but that look Kinda conical didn't they burn down the hotel at the end of the movie Yes I think. So we'll talk about that soon to. Jennifer salt goes to the sheriff's department basically to try to get help because the gargoyles broken in. Yeah. Okay. So and Scott Glen just happened to be there. She's like you still have these guys locked up and they can't get a hold of the sheriff because he's already gone went home to drink can scream at his wife. Yeah. So she goes back to the hotel. The gargoyles are just out there when cornell wilde grabs her and spitzer, inside they locked themselves in the little hotel room, he puts a four pound TV trae front of the door and tiny little like Balsa wood share. And it basically just fucking explodes when the Snot Man Hits at one. Good Job Dad Dad. Are you doing the on purpose you want me to go with them. Don't you you want me to get abducted by the Gargoyles don't you? Why you bought all these flimsy little band of top swarm. Okay I'm getting a closer look at the other like type of suit. began it looks Kinda cool. They definitely don't look like. But they kind of look like horny toads remember horny toads with or yes. I saw that one's face I thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. They're in the car. Yeah. Gargoyles rips the door off the car. They take her away and I'm basically just kind of backhands, Cornell. Yeah, he gets a pimp slap. He's instantly out and turning this car over on its hood that had to be that thing probably ways fucking two thousand giant station wagon. It was cool. I think I remembered this as a kid to They really shows like the sheer power of the Gargoyles it was Kinda, believable in seventy. S When you get the first view of Bernie Casey up wrote his wings. and. He looks bad ass because he just kinda reveals himself and he by far has the bellies like costume. You know he does look like a devil he's big devil horns and the wings are very cool. They don't start at a shoulders they sort of start in the middle of his back. And they look really bad ass and that little slow motion scene where she's on the ground in he kind of quickly in slow motion somehow kind of just. Covers over jumps down and like others over her that was pretty damn cool. I thought looked pretty fucking cool and he starts touching her hair and checking her out. He definitely wants to take the top. Literally is held together by he swipes at the tie in the front. Yeah. But no boobs because this is TV movie, we're going to show you something but glad that a MS parks didn't have an excellent or anything. Oh, my God, she does break into the sheriff's desk-drawer. She's just like I'll have some of this. He's like this is the third report today and it's all bullshit us come and drink my booze. That's my share booze too. But the Gargoyles have been running all night to get her back to the cave eight Bernie Casey has. Well and they also want their they also want their brother I assume. But they've been running all night and it's they don't get to the cave until morning the sun is up. Yeah. He has been carrying this hundred and twelve pound girl Vermeil? Time and space in this movie are questionable. You never know how far the hotel is away from their cave and how far the jail is away from the hotel don't ever show you any, but they don't hesitate really to show you the Gargoyles in light they they wanted to show off this makeup. and. One right when they're going in, you know you see that kind of matronly. Gargoyles you know it kind of turns around and heads towards the cave and basically looks like it has a like a saggy diaper. Casiraghi. Diaper. Leaked They couldn't figure out butts. You know how to make like a monster, but how to make a monster but as your new coffee table, right? Coffee Table Book Yeah. Coffee Iveta one beer one beer. Because we got the Mrs. What's her face going into the share ARC's everybody basically is going to end up going to find the girl is that been abducted by the Gargoyles? So we're forming our own posse which includes everyone in the town. Basically everybody else in the movie except for. Diana and the Gargoyles well, except for buddy the. Gas attendant they should've thrown him in for just some fodder. Was He not the one that was driving the chick back into though my God? Maybe so So, literally isn't. CAST. Cornell needs a band-aid and you have to think that they got a first aid kit or something there says a big open wound on his forehead. So we left Diana with Bernie Casey in. Stan. Winston makeup sniffing her hair tugging at her top. Okay here. Here we are I'm sorry. Convoy was performed by bill fries. who also, he has a soundtrack credit on mystery science theater what? Yeah. Okay. It was on ripped tickets Okay. That's new MS okay. Okay. So you think that the gargoyles are this is kind of like a not quite a Shamlan twist, but you think the gargoyles are just kind of like mindless monster sort of because all they've done so far is just break Balsa wood doors and. Ninety little tables. What did Cornell while that was going to this is going to buy us a few seconds. Yes all it did the lamp was on that thing the light one, twenty bus. Many. Anyway but maybe that just speaks more to the construction of stuff back in the seventies bribe. But riddle me this. Now, I swear in the dialogue that Bernie Casey says, they've only been awake for two weeks. Okay. That's what I was hoping. You could clarify low vet because. I couldn't figure out if they were. Old Creatures that had been hibernating which I think that's what it is. I think that's what they weren't just birthed two weeks ago they had been hibernating or in some type of like A. Suspended animation. Chur. Okay. So but where do all these eggs come from? So that's basically they a hole. Cave I help clan of of gargoyles and a ton of eggs. So somebody's Ado In. The? Nasty. which can be seen on at forty nine. Oh two. Oh almost there. Bernie, Casey's talking to the the matriarch. About you know the eggs hatching what she turns and he slaps her on the L.. Yeah, he does. He does he gives her like a good game. He does a locker room. was that about letting you know that? Yeah. Even old ancient creatures can get it on like Bernie Casey was low get Outta here baby. Yeah. I may be green and slimy. I don't want you to see what I'm going to do to this human humidity. Take a nap. It's Bernie. Casey was not very good. So. That little bit of emotion and you know. And she hugs him when he comes in, you know and she's like stressed out and crying, we're calling her the matronly gargle. Only because she's the only one that has like, would you say like female features and a WIG bribe? Basically, every gargoyles looks different than the one beside it. They could have made him look all the same. That was interesting choice. But then also that just end that they have like you know they're. They're you know n even that asks slap as like A. Community in love and it wasn't. He wasn't being mean now no he he was like we're GonNa make some eggs later. Yeah. Exactly. So do you think that she's the only thing? I don't want to get into like the actual like. Maybe. That's why she's crying. She's like. But now, she's I mean, she's obviously crying because one of them died I got hit by a semi bright. That had been this cave there in with the gargoyles though it seems to go on for a while. This looks more like natural than I. Don't think they actually trust constructed. No No, you're right. You're right and there's no way. It almost looks like kind of like A. You know something you'd take a tour through Carlsbad. Caverns xactly. I'll man and he she did lose that Khaki shirt pretty quick. It can see most of her skin. Barely camera owner. But yeah, the cave does look pretty cool. Oh Hey look here in the trivia during the ride from the airport. Dunkel Willie's place. You can see the knee of the sound man He was laid station wagon thought it was his head I thought you were going to say you can see Jennifer Salts nipples. Very prominent. Reading Trivia here. I got lost too. Okay. I I dig this we have Grayson. I can why I can't remember a character name Miss Parks. Ms Parks missing drunk are not miss parts. Are you sing it with the T. or K.? A. K. Okay. Because if as miss parts that would be gross. But Buddy is driving her into town. Okay. To, go get back up. Okay right. Go get the state sheriff the State police or whatever get him. They say it's GonNa take two hours to get there. So they're really in the middle of nowhere right or that's just them like stopping off for snacks. And quickey. Buddy and MS parks. You think has happened before I'm sure and the Tau. I'm pretty sure that's what John Cougar Mellencamp sang about. Really what would song? Anyway. When they find their car that that truck just doing circles out in them. Yeah. Out Out in the open there that I thought that was pretty cool. There were. So they're driving away. You could see the gargoyles hand in the back creeping up on him. Yes. They had some creepy cool seen yet that have been used time and time again before and sense. Yes when they. Show Mrs Parks there's a scene with Scott, Glen another one of the motorcyclists. You know they're doing something to their bikes right and I think another sheriff's cars there. And they just look up to see her hanging from the Telepho-. Yeah. Upside down. That was pretty freaking create. Yeah. That was creepy this a really good movie everybody is just formed a poss. Yeah. Everybody whatever vehicle you want to drive or or ride. Horses. Motorcycles, trucks. There's a dog basically everybody in the town but I wanNA know how this how buddies truck got to closer where they were with the gargoyles. Then the rest of this crew, right? It's like he's the only one that knows of a shortcut. Are. We to assume that this big bag of stuff that has to be wine, right? They've got a that's hooked onto the side of the two. Yeah. Hanging from the Mirror I've never seen such a thing. It's a canteen or it's like a huge saddle battle. Thing. Yeah. Drinking water out of an old saddle bag. Sounds Gross. Cornel Wilde the backwash in there because they both take a big drink out of his got spits sloshing it around and then spit it both spit it out. Yeah. It's just your Brinson water. Drinking Water Yep. Is Like I. Wish this was. Charcoal Berry. Erm, you know whatever the? Area. Of. Go with something White Claw Wide Claw Yeah, a seltzer a sparkling water. GotTa forgot what they were doing then like Oh yeah. We're BSC China's Diana. Cornell Wilde makes like a giant leap of like four inches. Makes it look like he's really slipped like these mannix or something? Okay hang on a second the car with the stone on the accelerator. What? The gargoyles did that. Yes, I suppose. So because there's blood in the front seat, it's looks like, Ragu. It's like a weird orange. Yeah but so why why did they do that? He looks at it when he gets up out of there like I didn't sit in that that yeah. Oh Hill as gun kind of falls out of his holster he's a horrible sheriff. This is the most action they've seen in in the year I'm surprised he is not shot his foot off yet. She's having a really deep like intellectual conversation with Bernie. which she seems to have no problem. Yes. She's not scared at all. She is not in distress. I guess when Your Dad's a demon all. There's not a lot. That is going to rattle you know. And I'm I'm sticking with the slow motion. It does look cool I mean like what you were saying earlier about the makeup and stuff it does give you more time to be like. That's just a over-sized wet suit but. Did they have to do it and every time that the gargoyles and I. Guess they just thought it cooler but. Are they trying to make feature length? Oh, maybe. So kind of padding it out by I don't know maybe. He's basically flipping through an old book. Does he know how to read? He's the smartest writing the unclear. Because like you said earlier, he was encouraging them to talk right his other. Yes. Some maybe we're thinking about this too much I. I don't know but that's the big question although if they're so smart Bernie, Casey's made some blunders so far. he's not a good leader I. Think you just saw Diana he was like Whoa. I think he was looking for another way to perpetuate his race or species if you if you know what I mean a little bit of old. So, so okay. We go back and for its night. Yeah. They've been searching all day for Diana and these cases movie is either occurs during like a leaks or hours or air, but they've been out all day. and. Like I said the Cornell Bulls up in his bronco thing. to wear Scott Glen and one other cyclist there are. Arbitrarily turning knobs on their motor tightening bolts. That better up oh. Yeah. See that. But. The one of them just turns says, what's that up there? And they've been they've been tuning up there by underneath it. And indeed her hanging from this telephone. Yeah. And she doesn't look dead I almost neither wanted them to like she's like help me but. I guess maybe gravity is holding her eyelids open. Maybe, she's also kinda hung like the hanged man and like Tarot cards like one of her legs. Yeah. I'm sure that's not. I'm sure that's not on purpose. Really Weird though I guess they figured. The GARGOYLES can fly. So they wanted to put her up high somewhere. Maybe I'm still baffled by the truck thing but any. So the your band of of Mary men that are helping out for nothing as breaking up. So three of the cyclist start to take off and I don't think it's because that's just the way it was written as then they couldn't beyond scene because they had to go put on the costume was to be the car. I think so too. We do not have enough actors in this movie. We cannot have you in the same see. It'd be funny if they pan down from like the polka dotted half guy and he's just got one Garg oil hand and one regular. Ship. Yeah. I mean I have to like say if that's the case how this was filmed and stuff with like one camera, it's pretty good. I mean I I couldn't do they made the most of it yeah this. This is by far away better movie than beware the Blonde Wow. Yeah, and that Cena Lot. That take that Hageman. Did they bury Larry Hagman just a giant hat he demanded it. They find the cave and the Gargoyles at when He. Bernie Casey is up there kinda mounted in front of them until you know. Ordering them to attack. Yeah is laughing like a maniac are like kind of screaming. There is probably fifteen gargoyles they're in costume. Standing at the mouth of the cave. The we've never seen there's been like three of them. Like one of them's dead They're really ineffectual. They killed buddy in an old lady. But. Then when they're confronted with these guys that one guy that just kind of putting. He's dead. I guess we're meant to think that they were like really like digging their claws in, but they really vary basically just like kind of rubbing him. Home. But that one does that like straight legged like jump up onto the Bronco Hood. House. Pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Our friend Jj Var now could do that. He could jump up onto the roof of his car from just standing strict that the natural. And now. There are goal riding a horse. There's a gargoyles that looks like a has a praying mantis head. Yes. I saw that I actually liked that but that's really like, okay, guys we're getting to the bottom of. The makeup box. We're just GONNA put some old like. Motorcycle Goggles, and spray paint your head green when they start launching themselves off the little trampolines. Over pretty. Cool. Fun also earlier when they were in that big scene with the kind of matronly one and she's still talking to name that one hatches you know yes and they pull a straight up kid out there you know. Mean I'm sure it's a little boy. It did not look like a little person. You know what? I mean? No. No it looked like a young child. Yes and I'm like man that kid had all that makeup on. Shirley they were like. Maybe. You know like breaking a couple of like. Child labor laws or something I didn't see him credited in the movie at all. Yeah. Because he's dead. Like I said in the seventies, it was like acceptable losses if you could. Just write them off the script. Yeah. So the big attack from the Gargoyles and Cornell Wilde is just an ace with a shotgun. Yeah. He is blowing him back and forth one of them. Freakin GIS tackles just clips him. I saw that as it runs by gave him a shoulder check or something like they're playing field hockey. But again, Cornell Wilde is a demon all adjust. He's probably killed many demons right someone. Does so Bernie Casey comes up at the end of it riding a horse and yeah. Even. I guess the shotgun was empty 'cause cornell was just going to use it as a bat to swing at Adam. That's their. That's the go to move in any movie. I think it's the finally use the weapons just a blunt instrument. So Bernie Casey basically says come with me if you WanNa, see your daughter Cornell's just like jog after. Yeah, he's like, okay I guess. That's what we're doing. Now I trust you implicitly. But when they get into the cave, he's kind of taken like A. It almost looked like he's been beaten up a little bit more as an he got smacked on the head. I it's already smacked on the head he got roughed up. Will he got shoulder check by that one guy? And then kind of twirled the ground. Bernie Casey knocks him off of that little thing that they were on. and. When he gets up, it's almost like the actor Cornell Wilde is trying to decide like. Hurt at any kind of settles on his arm he Kinda rubs his arm a little bit. I keep just felt like twelve feet on your back when Bernie throws him though he just cackled he standing up there those wings and just cackles. I throw you Pudi man. Yeah emotionally he's kind of all over the map. I would think that gargoyles would be more straight laced. Yeah. Bernie Casey sounds like a is like gargoyles professor something he's a professor of the Gargoyles Arts. Gargoyles. Studies. So he's got Diana and the matronly Gargo Pulls Cornell Wilde off, they're going to get their own room and I must say. Hannah doesn't seem to I mean she's like this is our first day. I'm not going to let you you know and they look like they've just been like smoking a joint had a couple of glasses of wine reading some books he he creeps down on her though it's kind of suspenseful. Yes. You'll wonder what he's GonNa do you gotta remember it's made for TV at imagine if this was rated r. that's the movie I WanNa Sing Director's cut the Snyder at a gargoyles. Yet. So that we get to see another one of these gargoyles which we saw snippets of the the eggs hatching and the very opening when they were doing the the exposition at the beginning. These baby gargoyles ugly I'm just going to say it. I'm saying right there. They are one of them comes out and kind of looks like the baby from dead alive and. Like ugly baby. Just got like. On it's faith Kinda slime on its face, but that's just the way I think about all kids. Let's just confirms it. Okay, so the matriarch comes to get. Coronel. Wild well, I. Think she said that she was going to take her to take him to her daughter his daughter God I came talk take him to his daughter but it Kinda seemed like she just wanted to get him alone to right exactly. That's what I thought was going to happen. but if it did, we don't see it because it's a made for TV movie. The did you get that the matriarch was a little jealous over Diana so she? Wanted her own? There's a whole thing playing out with her and Bernie Casey that isn't included in the movie. Well I. They probably were trying to branch off into seventy Sitcom and just did not take out right like three's company where one of them's. A Gargo. Yeah, I can see the at. Cornell Wilde when he gets a shotgun in his hands, he looks like he's never lived bill this moment like he is having the time of his life I mean really. As a demon Allah gised. Exactly. This is this is the highlight of your career right here. I hate it the cameras stole the end of this movie with Scott Glen like putting the gasoline all over the eggs and stuff. Scott Glen waste no time to grab two gas cans and run up the hill to go. End to the cave. Yeah who's the real hero? He doesn't owe these people anything. If anything they've been shitty to entire time. You sort of expect him and Diana to have this thing. Since they're the only to you know beyond good looking people in the entire movie But that never happens because it's a TV movie we ain't got a lot of time we need to move it along. But yes, as you said Cornell, what he is a freaking as a bad ass, he is gargoyles killer. Yes, and his pants. Those dockers obviously have some kind of stretching. Because he is. His really hard on them. This is a good action sequence for him. He's one of those older actors that's like. Kind of a tough guy it was sixty when this came out she is. Yeah, he's having a blast. He has like a blood lust but I guess it's because Diana's right there. But I don't like that. He Kinda Bonk the the female gargoyles on the Yes. Kind of like on her hump but that was an interesting thing. Okay. Let me back up because I'm catching up to hear a Scott Glen sets all the eggs on fire and then get actor pricing himself for people that he doesn't even know their names probably. But I think that's you know there wasn't anything else going on, but those eggs had to be very flammable exploded. He went up the way they edited that it almost looks like Scott Glen explodes he lights that thing with all the gargoyles around him, and then there's like a big kind of like an explosion. And you don't see those gargoyles and you don't see him. They all just like spontaneously combusted. I don't know I have no idea the showdown between Cornell wild and Bernie. Casey they've been talking in a knows he can reason with a my yes. He hits the he damages the ones wing. Right I guess it doesn't kill her that she does look very fragile when she's an old of Gargoyles. So that's when he was like. Hey. I want my daughter. You WanNa live and perpetuate your species. Here's your chance grab her and get the hell out of all do the same. Yet pretend this never happened. Right. Exactly. They all just walk away. It's like a like they went to key party together and they just don't WanNa. Look each other in the. Not a good ending. No I was not a very satisfying ending just to see the gargled. With his his wingspan that. Could not hold the mass of what he is. He never got up high enough. To where he was just going to go live. So, it's not like the wings are just for show. They must have they have some other means of propulsion but that's what made me think of because she mentions the matriarch mentions that win the little boy was born or what when the little gargle sorry. Don't mean to put up gender on a gargoyles. When it was born a was a breeder but he had wings as well. So it made you. Thank that. Okay the ones with wings are the only ones that can breed the other ones are gist sleaze tax I think all that type of stuff was thought about like way later like shit maybe we should explain some of the stuff. But they never do. Just left with so many questions. Like. How did they think that lasts like flying scene look good. Yes. I guess that was on the eighth or ninth day it was like all right We've got to wrap this up while we got what they could have done it in the shadows I thought they played really well with the shadows I. Think they're doing a lot of like day for night type stuff. You know just with the like it's full daylight they just that's why and the pitch of night when they fly away, you can see the shadow on the rocks. Yes. Exactly. Doesn't quite add up. But. I mean all in all it gave a young man named Stan Winston another credit and didn't know did I read that this? This was his first film wasn't the first one I thought I read that somewhere I d now but creators of Gargoyles, makeup, Ellis Berman and Stan Winston. According to Uncle Willie. The native American presumably Hopi or Navajo name for the Gargle is the neck attach Inko? Yes. Where Bruce Willis went in yes the plaza. Share universe. Okay, that'd be cool. What if there's just a gargoyles? All right in the middle of diehard? Of An. Awesome. He was behind the whole thing. So while the dance that summons them is referred to them as the known Attaya. Okay, right. That's what Willie was talking about right I think King of the hill mentions that. In bobbies trying to. Join. The order straight era. No, Way Metania Anyway. Again why would you know that? Why wouldn't I know that so? Yeah I have such strong feelings about this movie and still do like the parts that scared me when I was a kid. I are the parts that I enjoy. Now you know. And Finding out that it had to be filmed on link a little over a week makes a lot of you know that explains thanks. Yeah still love it. Still love those made for TV movies we gotta do we gotTa do the with Kim Darby. Not. Terence Trent Darby. CNN made for TV movie between the hence the name of that. Don't be afraid of the dark. So Right But the little things. All right. I'm looking Kim Darby. As I don't know why I don't have her on speed tab or something. Yeah. Yeah they have that. We're talking about calling this the Darb our guests that was the DAB cast. It was still it would work. What if DABNEY and Darby? Way. That would. They had married and he had aken. A name would be Dabney, Darby? Was that was that worth? It was that worth the joke? Oh, you tell me. We'll see we'll see how many downloads this kids. We. Lose a few. Don't be afraid of the Dark Nineteen seventy-three TV movie that what I said don't think so. A couple inherits an old mansion and habitat by bias small. starwars tried again this. This deserves better. A young couple inherits mansion inhabited by small demon like creatures I thought you said better who are determined to make the wife one of their own. Still a wacky Sitcom Highway I like to read them. Now I don't remember seeing this early Nineteen seventy-three TV movie from October Nineteen, seventy, three, an hour and fourteen minutes long well, I remember being good and I think year mode del Toro made a remake of I could be wrong about that. All these made for TV movies are so cheesy. And granted TV. Then probably wasn't given half of the budget I mean they spend a lot of money on TV now the budgets are way for TV now from back then they were like all right. That's why probably these costumes were borrowed from another set. Yes. Sure. Just kind a retrofitted. They had all these rubber suits before and said here we were gonNA throw these out anyway just. Roger Corman made of and Shit movie a couple of weeks ago, and he just left all the stuff. Is going to have to hose them out and put him on. But a fun move I think maybe it's because they have to get creative about some of the stuff because they don't have the money that makes it good. You know I'm with you or the like and will skit get in there and crank this thing out. Forget it ever happen. says here the scenes with the gargoyles running and moving. were. Slowed down to give the GARGOYLES. An unnatural. JERKY quality. Like. The Turkey boys chief met one. Yeah. Some of that. were. The hotel in the film. Was An old of business, hotel near Carlsbad New Mexico. It was actually burned down for the film. The ruins were later recorded as a historical archaeological site. With. The New Mexico department, of historic preservation. So did they did they burn down an archaeological site or did they decide that Oh this movie was mayor this is an archaeological site because Gargoyles was filmed there. Yes that's what I'm saying. Well. They need to remake this. I think big it's worth a remake. I think. So but you know how hard it is like narrow it down to I mean everything that I searched for before was obviously the cartoon from like the nineties. Yes No. Association. Between these till it has more association with like that episode of tales from the dark side for the guy or the hardest. Since that Lisa Bonet now that was a Radon Sean. Radon Song and. The Guy from the warriors Michael Beck. No the other main guy Crap, I can't think of his name. Mind is twinned blank. Oh, the Garg oil from the tales from the dark side movie Berry James Remar who I was trying to think of. The artists. And she says we can. We can just have sex all the time. And hang out. if you don't tell anybody that I'm a gargoyles and you know what? He fucking tells people where you can't. You can't that something you can't keep under your belt though he merely hey, I, gotta get this off my chest. Yeah. You don't. You can't go tell your priest now I mean now definitely that would work. I'll just get drunk at a bar and tells some random person. I don't remember how that actually happens to tell you the truth. I remember saying the. The tells dark side movie at the. Theater. Didn't. It also have Christian slater in one of the episodes. Yes. The Big Christian it has everybody in it. Steve Shaming. Julian Morrow right. David Johannesen yeah or also known as. Buster poindexter. Extra couldn't quite think of it is in the New York. Dolls. Niagara Falls. William Hickey, oh the oldest man and he was old before he was actually. Yes. Robert Klein there's James Remar. Forever. In that movie. By why is that movie sound a wild? I need to go revisit. Anyway. Love, the TV movies I think will probably do. A few more few more. As this was, I, think our oldest film was not seventy two. That's. About, as early as we've done. Yeah. You're right. So that makes this movie just as old as I am wow who and who held up more. We're GONNA find out. Next time on. Press Your Luck. Okay. So you're going to post a picture yourself on twitter. And then a picture of Bernie Casey laughing maniacally as a Gordon. And we're going to have a vote. Have a poll take a look at the ratio held up better. Yeah. Thanks for that well I. Think we did it. We did something. Definitely, did something I think we raised awareness for this? Awesome old movie. Raised awareness. We should have Garg awareness month. It'll be like the month after Toyota Thon. They've got like the early fall. Isn't a Ford truck money at Ford Truck. Mont is in I think that might be going on right now, I'll have to check. All right. Let's wrap this up. was you're saying, Hey, go visit our website, check it out. We got some new things coming in. 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Needful Things (1993)

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Needful Things (1993)

"Everyone chat cemetery is back as is drew. deitch were discussing needful things the film today. I karate discussed the book and I will link to that in the show notes in case you missed it and want to go back and check it out drew. How are you doing today? I'm doing pretty good. I'm excited excited to talk about needful things as it's a Stephen King Book and story and movie and everything that at this point feels feels kind of like a b-side like it's it's not the the biggest Target I think for a lot of people and I do doing doing research on this from from the movie and because I I've not read the book and and I'm interested to hear your perspective being somebody that's read the book and covered it on the show I I'm interested in. This movie. Seems to be pretty I I would say it leans negativity in reception but it's kind of on the fence. It's kind of down little as far as reception goes right and because because I have read the book which is pretty lengthy. It's one of those novels where Stephen King just does so much character. Work that you can't really pack skin to two hours of movie. And we've seen this happen with other ensemble books of his particularly it where it took the form of a miniseries initially and two quite lengthy movies more recently. And there's just something something about the ensemble cast that make it so hard to dig into the kind of character work. That Stephen King does in his novels and translate it to the screen reign as well and needful things is definitely one of those movies where I was like. Okay you have a good chunk of the important characters actors but it also left characters out and we'll talk about the differences a little later because I definitely want to talk about you know the characters who did end up in the movie and Dan. I thought the cast was pretty good for these characters that Stephen King Road and I thought a lot of them fit pretty. Well you got awesome. Big names in there. You Ed Harris Barnaby Delia. Max Von sit out. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. But you know these recognizable people basically and it left me wishing the movie was better than it was because I did enjoy the cast quite a bit. Yeah I think it's a really league great cast I think what's interesting. Is that the the setup of the story is very much a riff on Ray. Bradbury's something something wicked this way comes and it's a trope in a lot of kind of fantastic storytelling. You could trace this back to. I think the monkey's paws well this idea of be careful what you wish for. And and everything The twist in needful things which is a really good twist in in my opinion is that the character of Leland gaunt. We'll give you these things that you feel you need. But you have to do favors for him and and he frames them as kind of pranks That he gets his customers to pull on people to basically make them think that it's somebody's wronging them and this will eventually devolve into incredible chaos I I like that twist and I think I think I think everybody as far as the casting is concerned. Plays the kind of devilish fun of the story really well especially Max Von Sydow. I I really like him as Leland gaunt I I think he's essentially playing the devil. All it's I I like that. It's not you know ever outright stated that this is exactly what he is. But it's a it's a figure that continues to pop up in kings fiction and this May as well be the devil kind of person and I'm I like how playfully is. I like how warm he is. Especially when we first meet him I actually Kinda wish there was more of him in the movie and there's already quite a lot since the story largely revolves around him manipulating people. You would think there would be more of him in the movie and he kind of hearkens back to Salem Slot you know when these outsiders come to town and set up an antique shop. And it's just like Y- Stephen King kind of knows what works and he'll he'll use it again and Dan. I think both instances work because they have different outcomes. You know Salems Ladas obviously more a vampire story the and this. He's the devil so you do. have these not necessarily major differences but different enough to where you don't mind that he kinda reuse the same plot device to get these characters into town and with this taking place in Castle Rock. You know the book was is actually dubbed as the Final Castle Rock story which now we know not to be true because he did bring castlerock back in revival and then we have the current. TV Show on Hulu so it wasn't quite the last castle rock story but when I was reading the book you do get this sense of finality polity and the movie didn't really give you that in the same kind of way and a lot of it has to do with the fact that you know. The screen play was changed because Lawrence d Cohen actually originally wrote a script for it that was rejected because it was too close to the book and I was like. That's a really strange strange reason to reject a script because you would think you would want it as close to the book as possible given how important these characters are in the book. Yeah it's it's interesting. I know that there is actually an extended version of this movie. I think it adds an hour of into it. I did hear that too. But that's not what I watched. No no I mean I. I watch the theatrical version and that's the version that's most readily available. I think that's our version has only ever played played on television. I can't swear this by don't think it's ever been released on home video in any official capacity and there is a part of me. That's it's interested in like what what's that additional hour of stuff Yeah because maybe you know having not read the book I don't know if it's reinserting elements elements that were originally in the book or just more time with the characters of castlerock because while I do think that the the characters get enough time to where they function. I don't think that they get enough time to where we ever get to. A point point of really caring about them they work but yeah I just never got to a point where I was like man I really invested in these characters. Yeah and because I didn't seem as invested in the characters as I was when I read the book it felt like this movie had a lot of pacing issues for me. I think I was about thirty thirty minutes in and I was just like okay. Can we move things along a little faster and they did do some things to keep the story moving like. There's a a whole montage of Leeann gaunt giving things to various people in the town and we don't really see what the favors are. Because it's just like these quick little bits of ham meeting with all these different people in town and you don't quite know what's going to happen from there because you really only know the tasks he gave Brian and Nettie Wilma. You know the characters that we do spend some more time with but it. It just felt like there was something missing and it just slowed the movie down quite a bit for me. This being an ensemble movie I I think Spending Time with your ensemble characters is so important. Because in reality the movie wants to have a protagonist that wants share pang worn to be the protagonist and he again he is functionally like it. It does function where he is sort board of our lead character but not really like the the movie I think has a real problem. I I kind of wish it was either more committed to its ensemble. We'll nature and therefore spent a lot more time with these characters who are going to eventually fall under the influence of Leland got or it did the opposite and really really grounded things from Pangbourne perspective and just saw how he saw everybody kind of acting and everything. I think the movie has a problem with perspective. I mean and and if you want to be even more kind of risky Leland gaunt on could be the protagonist and I think for a maybe the first actor so of the movie he kind of is like he's really the perspective of character that we spend the most time with and see things from his viewpoint. That's a bold choice for a movie and it's one that interested me me but it never committed to it fully And I think that when we talk about the ending of the movie eventually I think that's one of the reasons why I feel the end of the movie doesn't doesn't quite satisfy the way it wants to. Yeah but but there are good things. I I it. Sounds like we've been mostly kind of an negative on this so I do want to say something positive. I kinda love. J T Walsh in this movie Yes it is having a ball yeah. He's he's easily the standout of the ensemble for me as Danforth Keaton Buster and by the end of the movie. He's obviously the one who's been kind of the most driven crazy by Leland. God but every time in the movie would kind of cut away to his Vignette and his story I was immediately wrote back in. He plays that neighborhood jerks. So Oh well you can see it. When he's at the police station? You can see it when he's with his wife and it never changes no matter who he's with so you know that this is just the core of this character and he's not going to change Leland is so good at taking what these people are feeling and using it to his his advantage. Even though I'm not really sure what he gains from any of this. He's just the devil so he's doing this just to do it. You know it's fun for him and you get that moment with Leland to where where you see his notebook at the beginning and he starts Writing Castle Rock in it. And you're like Oh okay. This guy's done this before sort sort of thing that's good visual storytelling. Because when he opens it up you know he's he's already said previously that he was from Akron. Yeah and when he opens opens up that little book we see for just a second or so the page before that and says Akron at the top and we just see this huge list of names and they flips the pages and writes castlerock. CASTLEROCK and Writes the first kid I think was named Brian. Rusk yeah and so it's like okay. This is I I may not get one hundred percent percent. What's going on but I understand what the movies telling me visually I I really liked that But yeah this is kind of a Vignette and yet movie Like you when you say it's like you know Leland God is just the devil. He's doing it just to do it. I mean we discover later. That's like Oh yeah he's been in around these horrible events in human history and he's just there to sow discord and chaos and violence and stuff But I I think the movie being this in a weird way. It's like semi anthology where it's like. Okay here's all these little characters there's and they're having their story in their magical thing I don't think the movie ever congeals into something that feels more more than the sum of its parts. That's one of the issues I had with it because in the book all of these things work together by the end of it and then you understand understand why the city is just in complete chaos and here it felt a little more choppy and I think a good amount of that has to do with some of the differences insist from the book because Brian that first kid who goes into the store. His story is so different in the book. He does still sling. The mud at Wilma sheets. That are hanging out on the line and everything. But his brother and his mom are way more prominent in the book and and it didn't even seem like he had a brother in this. His mom is UNCREDITWORTHY On IMDB Oh you know. I think we see her. Maybe in that montage where he's giving people all these things and that's it released. I don't think she really has any spoken parts. We don't see Brian going to his house. Host and it was just really weird because not to spoil the book completely for you but Brian commit suicide in the book. Okay well it's it's interesting. And and his brother sees it off okay so it affects his younger brother but because they just take the younger brother out of the picture completely and the mom pretty much it has has a much different vibe because Pangbourne saves him. You know. Pangbourne isn't even around Brian. When this happens and so many other things were changed and I was just Kinda like you know? I think if they would've stuck with some of these big things that happened in the book you know a kid committing suicide suicide because of the shop owner. That's a big deal and it says a lot about what that kid was feeling and while we do still get that scene it's not as impactful because Pangbourne goes and saves him. Yeah I mean the he may as well as far as the movies concern have committed committed suicide because we just get you know we never see him. After that scene we just hear dialogue about. He's in the hospital and all this but Pangbourne pretty much acting like he did die like he's breaking down and crying and stuff it. It's I kinda wish the movie would have committed to that. It's like wow then have this. That feels feels like real genuine elevation of stakes. where it's like okay? This got a kid to kill himself. Something really dark is going on here and again. I think that that circles back around to the problem of this movie doesn't have a well-defined enough protagonist and it's not well defined enough as an ensemble apiece because we don't spend any time any valuable time at least with Brian as a character to to really understand why he would be driven to suicide at that point You know he just. It's much more prominent in the book for sure because the mom goes into the store are Emma. She's so preoccupied with these like sunglasses that Elvis supposedly Warren. She's playing her elvis records nonstop all the time and she just ignores Sir kids okay. That's I like that. Yeah there's this aspect of neglect from the MOMS part and on the little brother witnessing the suicide I think I think that might be more powerful than a cop. Witnessing a suicide you know because this kid's little brother looked up to him and it just has a different twist for Brian. Story in a more minor thing is that the baseball card is different in the book. It's a Sandy Colfax card whereas in the movie it's Mickey Mantle and you know that's so minor that I didn't really care but it just stood out to me because I was like. Why is that the thing you change kind of thing? But maybe it's because the general public would know Mickey Gi Mantle more readily than Sandy Colfax. I have no idea who sandy Koufax is to be honest. Sure I mean I understand and this is definitely something that you've been exploring on this show. It's like when you adapt a piece of work. It's obvious that you're either going to change inch things for your own reasons or to help differentiate it from the material or to do something that you think will work better and a movie or television in show or whatever then a book because a book is kind of you. You can spend as much timers little time as you want on anything. The the rules of books are a lot looser and I understand like changing certain things I think what interests me having not read the book is that I get the sense that the book creates a better sense of castlerock as has a a town with real people in it like by the Third Act of this movie when the town has just gone crazy. And it's it's too comedic levels and I don't think that's the intention I think it's it's wanting to be a little bit more profound and disheartening than that. But by the time that the town has been engulfed in flames. And everybody's rioting and stuff I was like I. I don't know eighty percent percent of these people and even the ones I do know they're just they're kind of one note like the the two the two warring Ministers I think it's the the baptists the methodists. That's it like that. That's their one note that they play and it's like other not really characters. They're just they're they're kind of cartoons especially by the end of the movie. Yeah and it's not to say that the book didn't have sort of these outlandish moments or anything but by the end of it. You really felt like this was just a town in shambles. It was almost like the ending of Kerry where the town is just completely destroyed. DROID and obviously castlerock. Doesn't get abandoned in the same way but these people have been turned against each other in such a way to where everything has gone wrong and there were a lot more characters in the book who didn't even make it into the movie like there's a whole set of characters that are at the school I don't know if it's the high school or the Middle School. It might have been the middle school. It's whatever school Brian goes to basically there's a whole section with characters from there that didn't even make get into the movie and that didn't bother me as much because I think that did distract from some of the better characters in the book but you also have this big change to Alan Pangbourne. Who doesn't go to the store right away instead in the book? The store is always closed whenever Sheriff Sheriff Pangbourne tries to go see an introduce himself to lend got but in this. He likes shares of Pie with him. Day to or something. Yeah I like Thatta. A difference from the book. The idea that gaunt and on some level knows he has to keep Pangbourne out 'cause paying the one good soul that could really where it out. Yeah no I like that. That's because I like the idea of gaunt being this kind of trickster devil all character and if the movie wanted to commit to the idea of it being Gaunt v Payne born That's that's interesting. Like have those two really square off philosophically more but the time they share onscreen never feels monumental toll in any way. It's played kind of winking Louis and And I don't get I don't get the sense in the movie that they're great eight adversaries like right that that's something I think that's heavily missing and deeply impacts. The ending of the movie I think is because they have them share that scene so early on in the book. It's much more a cat and mouse game. LEELA got does not want paying born anywhere near him. So there's this tension building up because Pangbourne getting frustrated that he can't get took on and gone is just so happy that you know. Oh he's making Pangbourne. Feel this way so then that moment that they have together at the end when Pangbourne has finally started believing everything and figuring hearing things out. It's so much more impactful and here. It just kind of fell flat. Yeah it's it's unfortunate because obviously ed Harrison Harrison and Max von Sydow Alec. They're they're phenomenal actors. There there are some of the best of their caliber. And I don't get the sense that they ever really get to spread their wings and fly in the movie again. They're good and pretty much. The entirety party of the cast is good by Amanda Amanda Plummer Is very good. But there isn't like a showcase other other than J T Walsh. I really think. Jt Wash runs away with the IRS. As far as performance goes I just don't think there's there's enough standout especially when you have a character like Leland gaunt and character that actors are always dying to play. Which is the devil? Because the devil was such a fun character I just I I wish it was bigger. I wish the movie was kind of Kooky era era. I like the moments that we get to see of Leland Gone by himself or certain times when oh his nails are grown out his teeth luther press yet. It's like okay. He's Kinda letting the masks slip a little bit at times either because he's by himself and he feels relaxed or When when he's with by Delia character? And and I'm like Oh yeah this is cool and I. I'd seen this movie before but I've only seen it wants to was a long time ago so I had forgotten and I was like. Oh how creature your. We're GONNA get with Leland Gaunt It never goes beyond that an in. Yeah I'm not. I'm not saying it needed to. I just want that because I I like creatures and movies but I like that. It's like yeah I like when it commits into the more supernatural and Kooky or elements of the story but for the most part it tries to keep itself pretty grounded. Yeah this is certainly a long book but I think if you end up having the time it's worth reading just because of how many differences there are and there are a few more. I want to touch on one. I totally forgot about until now but police character in the book her past comes into play and it builds this tension between her her and Alan because we get a little bit of their relationship here and there but then it's him being upset that she has this thing from Leyland that sort of drives the two of them apart briefly but in the book she is sent this letter that Alan has supposedly been looking into her past and finds out that she had a kid that she put up for adoption and she was sort of an outsider in castlerock because she left and came back and none of that comes into play here. And it's just interesting rushing. How much deeper the book goes with these characters and sense? You seem to like kings character work as much as I do. It seems like something that would be right up your alley and you know ace. Merrill is in the book and he's nowhere to be found in this movie. Yeah that's one of those little kind of you know the. I think there could have been at least a nod to it. You know somebody unit just a passing name kind of thing that that you know Stephen King readers always love and when you you talk about polly's pass. I'm always reminded of the chapter from it. which is boomer? I actually introduced a stand years as an adult. The majority of that that chapter is all framed from his wife's perspective and it's it goes deeply into her her back story and her feelings of being Jewish and Jewish woman and feeling guilty socially about that and stuff like that and in all the adaptations tation. They've done of it. That's never that's immediately a thing that is ignored. It's it's never something that comes up and it's one of my favorite parts of it And that's something obviously king is so good at he's really good at building characters that feel like fully formed fleshed Out Human beings and it's often because he really digs into these back stories like I imagine keys wired a little bit like those those actors who when they get a role they write an entire back story for their character he really cares about Acsi knows the importance of it. And how important it's going to be to the reader or to the audience to make you believe in these characters and and and I think needful things as a film it just never gets. There never gets there with anybody. I think maybe Danforth is the closest because we we hear all this stuff about. Oh yeah everybody used to call him busters a kid and he hated it We we hear about how he kind of came up in the town and and you know became an important person and and these kind of things. I I really think the time. The movie spends with him is the most valuable It's the most entertaining as well again that that's that's in part due to jt Walsh's performance But otherwise I mean even even polly's whole thing with her With her arthritis and and the pain that she's in it never solidifies and it's good to know that you know at least in the book that there is a lot more attention paid to that and that doesn't surprise me at all knowing king. He's you know every single prominent person. I'm sure gets an entire chapter that we just you know. Get to know everything that we need to about them. And that's the luxury that you can have with a book but with a movie it's gotTa find the right ways to do that. And maybe maybe like I'll say again. The ensemble approach wasn't the way to go about it. Maybe it was more about nailing a perspective Because as it feels in the finished product I think. The movie feels kind of aimless. As far as the character perspective is concerned. One thing I think the movie did get right with Wilma and Nettie. Eddie was their feud because that played out pretty close to how it plays out in the book. Brian throws the mud on the sheets. While blames Nettie Raider gets the short end of the stick there and the only thing that really bothered me about their feud in the movie was that they took the a big fight between them and put it in a private setting whereas in the book. It didn't seem like Wilma lived out on a farm or anything. It seemed like she'd we live in the neighborhood. And this fight ends up spilling out into the street and the neighbors just see it happening and there's like intestines spilling out out and all sorts of things in the book that I thought was Weird to change for the movie because I think the neighbors seeing that fight between the two two of them would have been a lot more effective than them just reading it in the paper the next day because it was this big scene and Pangbourne comes out and they die like on the corner of a street and it's just this big to do in the book and here it felt like they put it in a private setting and it still kind kind of had the same effect but to me. It felt like it fell a little flat in that moment but the rest of the feud was pretty accurate to the book. I I like the staging and the direction of that confrontation and how it plays out. But but knowing that in the book it plays lays out on the streets of CASTLEROCK. That's absolutely the right decision. It's it's foreshadowing the eventual chaos that will run You know along the streets of Castle Rock it echoes. One of the things I think king is most interested in in his writing which is society witnessing Evil or violent acts and nod acting on it not trying to stop it You Know Kinda Kinda the Kitty genevieve's thing of you know here's somebody being murdered erred. And all these people you know just watched it happen and nobody stopped at. That's a that's a huge part of of it obviously You know it. It's it said said that there is a supernatural influence at the town doesn't do anything because it is influencing them. But that's that's definitely I think metaphorical for this kind of societal apathy that we have towards violence and evil at happening and the idea that it in the book that it that fight happens in the streets reads seems like the perfect kind of you know the first domino to fall in what in what will eventually consume the town of Castle Rock Yeah I I definitely think that that. Where the movie goes as far as that big final the tearing being down of the town and everything I that was the moment where I was like I'm ready for this movie to end because this is an hitting me like this. Should this should feel way more dangerous and tragic than it actually does. And I don't know as far as the filmmaking elements of it maybe some of that has to do with the direction I I also think that The score by Patrick Toil is. I don't know the movie feels lighter than I than I think. The subject material is like I don't know no how seriously it's taking itself and I don't mean that in like it's a itself parody but I don't think I don't know how the movies movies is wanting me as an audience member to react to the descent into hell that castlerock finds itself in. I think that's not quite communicated well enough. And then by the ending when Alan paying born Ed Harris literally has to have his you know I learned something today speech in front of the whole town. I was like man. Is this supposed to be silly. I don't think it is but it's coming off a little little silly. I don't even know if that happened in the book. Either one of those things. I was watching it. I was like simple book because as you know I'm reading these books is pretty much back to back for this podcast. So by the time I get to the movie for something. The book details are a little fuzzy. But this had so many differences that A lot of them stood out to me. And I know we've been sort of leaning more negative during this discussion. But they did have some things going for them. And I think it just didn't culminate in the ending. We were hoping for and that religious kind of leaves you feeling deflated. You're Kinda like Oh okay all right bye Leyland have fun on your next year. I mean I I don't need the ending to be something kind of out of a episode of supernatural where you know Alan paying runs like why found this magical amulet that I can use and it'll blow up Leaving Leland gaunt or anything there is a good. I like that explosion. Now yeah the the explosion of the needful things shop is a very well done explosion and then him just walking out of it it. I thought that was at least some good imagery there. Yeah it's very cool. It's exactly what you want for like a an immortal devil type characters like oh it's cool but by the time he drives off in his classy black car and disappears. It's like okay like what. What did we learn? Like what what what was the the greater impact on these characters it. It doesn't really land the way I think. That's that's that's my biggest thing with this movie because like you you say we would sounds like we're very much skewing negatively at the end of the day I think needful things is okay. I don't think it's like a bad movie but it's kind of confounding one because I'm not exactly sure how the movie is trying to present itself totally right it did. It seem a little all over the place Is like okay. You know you're giving us these characters who were prominent in the book. But then you're leaving out such Zhou big moments ace coming back because he had been gone from castle. Rock for so long was a big deal in the book and then we don't get that and we don't get Pangbourne being distracted with ace and ace doing favors for gaunt and I was just like how do you. How do you leave this character out of the movie? You completely given the history of the character you know. Ace Merrill played by Kiefer Sutherland. In stand by me was pretty pretty good and now he's being brought back to life. In Castle rock season two in more ways than one. And he's this character character that I think people would recognize because the Merrill family has roots in Castle Rock and to just totally totally leave him out. I was like. Oh what's this movie doing and I was like that's one of the weirdest choices I think for me out of this movie. Because if if you've read enough Stephen King or watched enough of the movies you know there's this sort of connected universe. He comes back to towns repeatedly eighty four reason and to go back to castle rock and be like well. We're just going to give you Pangbourne and that's kind of it. I was like okay. All right I guess yes. That's fine I definitely think that again having not read the book but knowing that Ace's is prominent as doing favors for got. I think that could have been integrated into the movie in a really fun way. Basically kind of having a be the character that is working for God and and enjoys it you know or or is the one person who's kind of hip to yeah. This gun is a bad guy but I like that and you know screw through this town i WanNa help tear it down like giving him kind of a side kick A familiar of sorts. That could have been an interesting role to have ace Merrill play in the movie version I like that idea kind of giving us another kind of mini boss sub villain one. But yeah when this movie wrapped up and it was all said and done again having not read the book I immediately thought I'm surprised. The needful things has not been readapted in some fashion. Especially now that we're still living in a big renaissance of Stephen King adaptations. I'm I'm shocked that this movie. That came out a come close. I think thirty years now. I'm very surprised that nobody has attempted to do a different version of needful things. Because I feel like there's a really good at tation that could be made out of this even having. I'm not read the book but I don't think this movie is it. I would really love to see some sort of miniseries limited series. Whatever they're calling them these days where where you get to spend more time with these characters you know getting more of Alan and police relationship background even adding in that whole cool thing with police passed and Nettie has passed that everyone in town seems to know about and I think it's played down a little in the movie for for the sake of time probably But that's something you can explore more. Because she killed her husband that's kind of a big deal and she went away for it for a bit. And then Paulie took a chance on her and I apologize completely spoiling the book for you. But it's one of those things where there's so so many there are so many rich details in the book that just get lost in this movie. I think a lengthier adaptation would serve it. Yeah well and it's one of those things where certain Stephen King stories can be lengthened. I brought this up recently. Shashank is not a long story. It's a long movie but it works because of how they pace it because of the cast and how they give if these characters this richness to them and I think that was missing with needful things. Yeah I as I was watching the movie and thinking thinking about why this hasn't been data before the the first thing that came to my mind was the Hulu show castlerock literally how how has is this not been re contextualised for that show. I having not read the book. I'm not as as committed to seeing a more faithful adaptation as far as replicating. What's in the book into an adaptation but With castlerock like I can't believe they haven't at least had the leland gaunt season like words. Like Yeah Leland. God comes into town and sets up needful things but it's going to be different. It's not the exact same story. It's just here's his evil curio shop I don't know if it's because that idea has become so parodied. I mean famously rick. And morty did a very direct correct needful things parody and If it's an idea that people aren't as interested interested in or fine Kinda hokey. I love it. I love that that idea of a stranger comes into town and sets up and is going to give people what they think they want but in the end it's going to end up destroying them. It's tails this time. But it's classic for a reason and Yen this just seems like the kind of story where you need a lot more time to tell it which to be fair fair. I am intrigued by the three hour. Television version I. I would really like to know how substantial the the things are that are in that version Because it's possible. I mean knowing that it's for television content wise. Obviously it has to tow a certain line but if it's spending more time with you know characters like Nettie and polly. I think that's really good. I think that's absolutely what the movie needs needs. And maybe in you know our modern era of media a limited series or some kind of series that at least you know Takes off from the core idea of needful things I think would be great. I'm I have to imagine if castle rockets and other season at who they have to be looking at this. This seems like the most obvious target to wrap into that whole universe. My only concern with that would be the fact that they already used. I Allan Pangbourne as a character and he was much older in season. One and you could tell that all of these things that had happened to him. Affected acted him in such a way to where he kinda always felt like he was losing his mind and going back through kings work chronologically reading the dark. Half half watching the movie reading this and watching this movie gave me a much better. Understanding of why Payne born was the way he was in the first season of castlerock. So I think you'd probably have to twist it and go in a bit of a different direction because well let me preface this by saying minor. Spoilers for CASTLEROCK DOC. Season Two right here. They did connects these two back to season one. I won't say how it's all say so superliner spoiler there but I think with Anthology series. That's something that happens. We've seen American horror story. Do that were the same character will pop up in different season. And I think it's interesting so you know I don't I hope you I don't think that's too much of a spoiler for castlerock season. Two but with that wrapping up soon. I think it'll be interesting to see how the final episode which is Actually the day after. We're recording this. By the time it this episode comes out everyone who is current with it will have hopefully seeing that episode but castle also. Rock is definitely doing some interesting things with the Stephen King Universe and taking these characters in twisting them. Because you know any welk's in season into her age doesn't really line up with Pangbourne in season one so everything is super weird so they could probably find a way to incorporate maybe a younger Pangbourne again and go back in time so I haven't kept up with season. Two of Castle rock salt so I don't know but it just it seems like needful things especially at the time when it came out as a book being sold as the last castle rock story. It's it's important in that kind of its importance in that castle astle rock universe if feels like the best target for them to do something with Because this movie as it stands and and we said it before and I I think you know it's it bears repeating. It's okay and if if there are people out there who really liked this movie I'm kind of envious of you. Oh Because this is one of those movies where it's okay enough but it's really frustrating and confounding because you can see how pretty much step by step in every area where it could be better Like the things that could improve upon to better better. Tell the story that it wants to tell as far as the filmmaking elements. I think it's a it's a very well made looking film that there. There's some questionable backlot stuff as far as the the town of castlerock but that's fine. I accept that allusion movies. Yeah but otherwise like as a film. I think it's fairly well put together. I think the cast is is fine but I just feel like whatever core of the story beyond the basic kind of good and evil struggle struggle. I I just don't I just don't think it's there I just don't think the characters are there enough and and it's a it's a shame because I see I see exactly. Where are all this could be interesting and clearly that that material is is available in in the book for anybody that wants it but if they ever do get around to doing something with needful all things again I hope they find the right perspective for like if season three of castle rock was announced? And it's like we're doing wheeling gaunt leaving God is going to be kind of our main. In character of the season I would be absolutely fascinated by that ultimately I think we both ended up feeling roughly the same way about this movie. I did end up rating it a two and a half out of five because having read the book I could pick out things and be like okay. This was how the book portrayed it and they they did this part well but then they made so many other decisions that through the movie out of balance for me. So he's kind of like all right. It's middle of the road. That's exactly glee. What it is for me? I agree one hundred percent I it's it's very much on the fence and sometimes those movies are the most disappointing. Because you'd almost rather they tip over into hilarious. Yeah like such awfulness that it's remarkable. That's the worst thing about that. I can say about needful things. I don't think it's a remarkable movie uvi hardly at all. Maybe I'd say again and I've said it a thousand times now with the exception of JT Walsh's performance. That's the one like remarkable thing in the movie that is worth seeing the movie for other than that. Yeah well I think that's a good place to wrap this up. I'm glad we were very much in agreement with this. I know we've pretty much. I think Ben Close on all of the movies. We've discussed so far. You definitely like sleep walkers more than I did but we understand where you're coming from with that one and it's one of those things where it's great when I agree with someone on a movie but it's sometimes a little more fun when you you disagree with someone on a movie because then you get these two totally different opinions on these adaptations. So you know it's always fun talking to you drew. You and I am very glad you signed up for this one. I'll meet to and don't worry. May maybe maybe when we finally make our way to children of the corn three urban harvest We'll have our disagreement there because I think that's a fantastic movie and I have a feeling I one of the few people out here that that thanks that so we'll see. I'm looking forward to not that. I know we have quite a few nineties adaptations that will be discussing together so before we go. I quickly want to let you all know about our patriotic and you can support the podcast monetarily there. 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Episode 131 Gargoyles Director's Cut

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Episode 131 Gargoyles Director's Cut

"Hey Phil free. It's Tim from the moratorium just here to remind you that if you enjoy what you hear please like Shirin subscribe then Rinse and repeat we're just a couple of small town nerds trying to make sweet geek love to your ear holes and we can use your support. Check out our website for movie reviews, links to social media, merch movies, and more. You can find us at the moratorium dot Com. Now, that's out of the way on with the Shenanigans. Welcome to the moratorium I'm your host Tim Cornerman. Each week, I will be joined by some esteemed and I use that term loosely movie watchers and breaking down some of the weirdest strangest films to ever not necessarily grace the big screen. These are the deep dive auditees backroom bootlegs that appeal only to the die hard film fans. So sit back and enjoy the ride into the dark vault of the movie moratorium. S. I've listened to just my track. You know. Just me. Responding to questions that no one is asking it's weird. Really Weird and it's like better some. Yeah. I UNDERSTOOD Better. I understood the movie better. I try to talk about everything but the movie yeah. That's should be the name of our podcast everything but the movie. Named sometimes. Sometimes it's you know we get off track a little. Yeah. I think we're getting better though about the like talking over each other thing I feel like I do it a lot and. I'm really trying to just sometimes you know you just got Scott Shut your Yap for a little while. But crims creative editing that. We don't talk to each other. Is Are. You. Don't do much editing. It's very much. What we say is what's put out there in the world that would be incredible. Somewhere there's a little deleted chunks of me going yet. It's making noises because I can't seem to. Not Make. Noises. I wonder if I could put on back to back as many times as we say just to see how long while. It would go for days. Yeah. It would end in madness. As every one of our podcast seems to do I. Guess That's true. Especially, the ones that stretch on for awhile, I'd like to think that we're getting smarter, but really I think you pointed out the other day that Yeah. You know we're pushing out the good information and low yup shit like. Who the fuck is Jim Connell you know right If we ever get on jeopardy and there is a you know Alan Fudge category than we can just. I'll take fudge for five hundred and yet. I love a five hundred. That's his memoir. Hi Amber Fudge. Allen please guide us. Like our patrons. Can we get him medallion? I, wear around my neck camps and remember kids he your fudge. Class at a catchphrase. But we need something to protect ourselves from these pesky frigging. Gargoyles. Yup. They're spawns of Satan I think I found out today. I didn't really do a lot of research when I walked this the first time in the I guess I just realized that it's actually there in the Old Testament and I mean, it actually does gargoyles. I. Think But maybe we should just get into it. What do you say? Yeah, we'll. We'll uncover things as we go. All right. Well, welcome to the moratorium. Yeah Welcome. I'm your host Tim Cormon. And with me as always is my 'cause Alst co-host. ME. Jason Walker. Feel like one of these days we're going to nail that opening but NOPE, not today. Nope not today my friend. I create edit so it makes it sound even worse I know. Cool. I. Just crunch it altogether. So it's like we're both saying the same thing with Dr Different voices but at the exact same time harmonising is that what she did Mama Le. Mai May may May. I might be talking like this for the rest of the Pied. Hey. Nick Nolte. You know there's a ton of distortion when the GARGOYLES speak. Yes it's. Have to stop and talk about that for auto not what I remember them sounding like so much I mean now that I know you know kind of like what type of technology they were using to give them their voices but I did not remember them sounding like. How would you? Even I know how to describe it it's almost like a sci Fi. It sounds like something from doctor who think somebody was speaking through our two D. twos asshole yet. Yes. Exactly. Using RTD to as like a gravity bong or something, and then they were just like a talk with her. They kind of sound like doll x a little bit if you really end. Okay it's like, okay guys. We have this one effect that we can do and we're just gonNA that's what we're going to stick with. That's it which and seventy two I mean night I don't think I realized how old this movie right this was the year I was born. I would like to think that I hold it better than this movie but like to. Like the thing. I don't even know how we would go about scoring you on that. We're going to have to count up at the very sophisticated tests to see if you were that. So that's what we're. GonNa. Do. Where you and I are going to put a kind of test together that'll see if you or the nineteen seventy-two TV movie gargoyles. Which of the two has aged better right. Thou- The rubber suits they're wearing is. Very. Similar to the skin I have on my body. So lathering. Thick leathery kind of bunches up in pivot points Yeah. It almost doesn't have a plot. Read it. Me Me Me me me. This is for my md after receiving word about a mysterious skeleton unearthed in the Arizona desert, a father and his daughter visit the man who has it and grabbed the skull as they escape a shack the Gargoyles have attacked. That is the most complicated. That was all ones. I guess that kind of explains it. Okay. So as they escape once they do. So they as well as the town are besieged by a colony of gargoyles living in some nearby caverns, the town that's a loose. The town I mean, there are four things in this town. Exactly. willies frigging little Curio shop alkyl Willett Museum God. I think it's funny that guy that plays. Willie. Woody Chambliss. His name is woody in like the character name is woody in like a bunch of these. You know because he was in a much of like Westerns and NANCE, Willie? For this? Quiet, she just call him uncle woody. That would have caused so much can view as their source material as named Willy and they just didn't want the such a beloved character that they didn't want to change. It. Just seems like it's only a couple of letters off and it probably would have helped him because it doesn't seem well in US moving. Dow I was just reading the Trivia here just a little bit ago that. Woody shambles Uncle Willie, he's two years younger than Cornell wildness. Wow. Because he looks like he could be cornell a wild father probably. Yes. Is the dictionary definition of grizzled. so father daughter taken off to the desert to just Kinda poke around the opening scene. What is he picking her up at the airport or something? Yeah. I guess she has a personal jet. I don't know. Maybe, we should just start from the very beginning because the all the stuff. The narration of the beginning kind of explaining what gargoyles are and. I guess. They're explaining why gargoyles are gargoyles are fictional creatures. Well they were. A minute. So you're saying that. was once the most. Of started, learning, playing it right in the middle of, but anyway, that narration set you up. And it looks really cool. I, mean I love these. There's nothing more like seventies than this kind of introduction but he's saying basically that everybody knows we have gargoyles. And it was just a matter of time before they started attacking that I listened to that right? Sure. Sure and who was it that read? The opening is out earlier. and was like. Somebody. I'm sure it somebody maybe it's Like John, Larroquette again. That would be awesome. So, lost already. So this aired on TV in like November of Nineteen, seventy two. Even a Halloween movie it wasn't I talked to todd about a friend of ours todd briefly about it because I remember watching it as a kid on TV and you know it came out a few years before I was born. So I was like, when would I have been in? Was Old enough to enjoy it you know. You, know Kinda racking my brain trying to think of these like 'cause I knew it had to be on like an old like creature feature late at night or or Sunday afternoon when they used to play like Godzilla movies and stuff and todd says no, I know exactly when I saw, it was from I, saw it on the plenty scary movie on channel as that it was on ABC so I googled that. And just listen to the opening music and stuff and I was I was like, Oh, gas that that's exactly where I heard for I watched the first time awesome and remember being freaked out and at the same time just like loving it you know the only thing I really remember from my childhood from this film is the gargoyles being hit by what I thought was their car but no, it was a semi. Thought the exact same thing I thought they hit it. But no, he's just like roadkill he's not paying attention to the cross. Do, they explain that why is he just outlined? He'd going for a jog or something. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was. So's this Vic Perrin. The Vic Perrin. I, think he's the narrow narrator and Vic Perrin actually played a voice of a gargoyles. Yeah. While he's in there just but he did all sorts of voices for all our cartoons back in the day I mean yeah. He has a very distinctive voice. We're Talkin Scooby, Doo Dragnet Superman aqua man our. Oh, right eight. Space. Ghost, this has to be all voice work, but it says he was in watchmen mission impossible. Oh I'd see watchmen was for the soundtrack I see and mission impossible is the TV show from sixty six either our got confusing now he died in eighty nine so. But we probably heard his voice I duNNo, a billion times that's crazy. was a very interesting to look at him some more. Let's let our audience know that you can watch this for free on I'm actually on shout factory tv.com. As exactly where I saw Tim Okay and they have all the old a lot of the old MST's if you just. Get Bone over. This right. So I love this font. Yeah. The gargoyles falling gooey drippy. Fun. Like slime Kinda Yeah I dig. I mean, this is the epitome of like seventies movie like Cornell Wilde Shirt I would kill for his. Looks uncomfortable actually to be like walking around in the desert, but the seventies everything was made out of polyester and. Other. Flammable materials people wanted to. Basically is back then were just a Molotov cocktail that hadn't been lit yet. Albert close would go right up the stuff in their hair. Their aftershave like karate was like and they all smoked. That's probably where like spontaneous combustion occurs just like a gold watch and a medallion and a pool of Greece. Oh, I was just looking at Grayson home she plays Mrs Parks. She was only in her fifties when she was initiatives can looks a little bit older little sleazy. It was her idea to have a glass editor hand in through every dot. She's like can i. just bring this into the shot with me because I'm not quite Sure. Everybody's drunk. We don't care. Because there is a scene later where she goes into the sheriff's Office, opens up his desk steals a bottle of his booze to refill her glass. That is amazing on a live in this town. Seems like there's some just crazy shit going on. So let's get into a little bit We're at the Airport Cornell Wilde's picking up his daughter Right Cornell Wilde in his daughter basically the two main care that's Jennifer salt. She wears everything mid drift which you know. That's fine. Would just happy that Cornell Wilde not wearing the same. Thing up. He shows up in the top from like the girl from Texas chainsaw massacre. His whole back. All of his. She brings him I guess I don't know where she brought it from. Him a statue of a demon. And he what's the name of it? I had it earlier moon. Or something that sounds right. Yeah. I think it's Hang on a second no, it's Kalomo Dri. Yeah. There we go. was like, Hey, you brought Kalam mood. been looking for him. We've been waiting a party I. See you turned him into a Bong. That was awesome. Off of it and it was just. Like had liquor under something. They're getting in the car and he says Callum DRI will just about complete my collection of demons. Collecting demons he's got a demon collection yeah. I guess in the seventies, you could have a demon collection. He's an author he wrote a book the basically talking about Hell Demons were not real. Well, he's getting ready to find out that there are some demons. And they're going to talk to him in a bazaar -ly formal manner through a kids like a synthesizer like old center. and. Maybe signed him up for the tri lamb. Come. Waiting for it is that the only thing that you can think of that Bernie Casey is in Bernie Casey is the main gargoyles and he I assume they picked him because he's like six foot four or something yeah he is. He is six foot four. Let's just make this Gargle as big and imposing as we can. But and he's like it is very strange thinking that he is under all that makeup like really, Bernie, Casey I you're right though I started thinking about it in trying to think of the thing that I would know him from the most. And I think it's just in the mouth of madness and he's only in it for like five minutes until the crazy guy comes through the window. And it would have been revenge of the nerds all the way for me, oh? Well Yeah. Yes. Of course of course, revenge of the nerds he was in another forty eight hours. Okay. He was an under siege. Half don't remember that at all but yes, he was in bill and Ted's excellent adventure wasn't he is the principal or something wasn't. He was something Mr Ryan and the principal or teacher. I'm going to get you suck on. All these screen shots from a movie called Hitman it's nineteen seventy two as well with PAM grier. Her hair is conservatively a foot and a half off of her head like it is the biggest afro ever seen. Awesome. His or hers is more subdued. Looks great though yeah, I think it's the same volume of hair his pack down tighter than hers because hearses. From stop talking. Man There's the cast of under siege. So Bernie Casey goes back to nineteen sixty-nine guns of the magnificent seven. When they made like a million magnificent seven copies George Kennedy Man, love movie with Storage Kennedy in it and Joe. Don Baker. Man, that's a lot of back. Guys have big backs. Big sweaty backs imagine how sweaty Joe Don Baker back is. In the desert. Yeah. So Gargoyles Bill, Norton directed it kind of looked at him his stuff for a little bit nothing too exciting except he's down as the writer for convoy. Yes. You knew I was going to bring this up. Yes. I was hoping you were gonNA bring it out I. Love that movie. He didn't direct it but he he wrote it and I had to look at convoy. We're going to look at it here in just a minute to. A lot more talk about Oh, about convoy maybe not necessarily okay by itself again, because this could easily turn into a convoy podcast and just slide right into. The lateral move. Yeah. Maybe not even maybe a kind of step down but still instantly discussed he also directed baby the secret of the lost legend, my God. Yeah. I saw this at the theater. Wow Rag. I saw it on a endless loop on HBO in the couple of Summers after it came out and I was like this is crap. And it's crap now. So he did a more American graffiti actually seen that obviously didn't really go over you look at his credits and there's a lot of TV. Ben Anyway I. wanted to bring up I just wanted to bring up convoy because we're going to circle back around to that here in just don't WanNa talk about. Cisco Pike. James Taylor allowed gene. Hackman's in that. Show Hastings hdfs is in this Cisco Pike a down on his luck former drug dealer is forced by corrupt LAPD policemen to sell one hundred kilos of confiscated marijuana and one weekend. Cisco Pike. Starring Kris Kristofferson Karen Black and gene Hackman loser some good people. Wow now. Howard Hessman doctor Johnny fever, and a girl by the name of Aviv s just her name Viva and she plays Myrna Oh. She looks like a Myrna. Not to be. She's definitely a Myrna. Not. That means I hit a wall with that one with Myrna. So I found this article, this blog real lengthy blog on the last drive in dot com, which is not associated with the last drive in. Okay. They came up with that name to organically. Yes. They didn't realize that it had already been us and which is a blog about classic movies. Okay. How do they define classic movie? Well, gargoyles than there. So it's loosely hangs ask me all the information I need I would not call this a classic now I, mean the stalled It's a classic in the sense that I i. it's something that I remember from my childhood fondly no, but it is what it is is just just stay hold TV movie. It was shocking to me at the time that I seen where they go to. Willie's place. is pretty cool. Bowie. Yes. Actually the jumps really quickly into the act of that's true but it doesn't mess around. Did WE TALK ANYTHING ABOUT STAN? Winston? His one of his first projects yen take that over real quick. I will because I'm looking at it right now they actually won an academy award for own. Sorry as a primetime emmy because it's a TV movie. they won an emmy for a makeup outstanding achievement in makeup del Armstrong LS Berman Junior. And Stan wins. That's pretty awesome. Yeah and that's you know what stuck with me probably the most is how good the I mean. You know it's low budget but the makeup, the gargoyles makeup is. Pretty. Terrifying. You know. Which is, what makes it so cool when you will get to but when they actually talk, it's a weird juxtaposition I just stumbled across a bit of Trivia. Here's didn't realize of here. Says Bernie Casey's vote. was replaced by VIC, Perrin's voice and post production. Oh, because his natural speaking voice didn't fit the character of a head Garg oil you like we said the voice as manipulated so much you can't really tell who it is, but it is very creepy. I think you know 'cause you see these. Well, let's we'll talk about that a little later when we get to the actual gargoyles the Tischler Garden. We can talk about it. Let's get moving just a little bit called this little statue that he had the Callum Madre column Gary. Whatever, Hey, you brought it up. I couldn't find where read it but it said that demon is not listed always not an official demon as an actual demon right I. Guess he's still waiting on his papers. So yeah, if we could start a gofundme page for the Kalamazoo Dra. His baseball card isn't worth hardly any Ri- right even with his signature right has he's not a real demon. it seems like they could have pulled maybe. Maybe. They didn't want to you know how they didn't want to give any real information in case kids like picked it up and started like speaking in tongues and shit. I mean the statute that she hands him looks like something you would find in Spencer's or like a head shop or something. It's not very it's not like an ancient relic. and. They don't give us a good close look at it is the reason for their little adventure because willy had gotten a hold of Cornell wild somehow I think. So I think we we have a small conversation when we meet William and we talk with him. That he was kind of plugging his own story in kind of wanted Coronel Sa-, backing up. Yeah. To write a book for him that's what I think. That's what he was selling I see. Well there's one line of dialogue that has like you know. Well, that's why I brought you out here. You know like just something in passing, but was he already in the area doing research? I don't know I don't know I'm still on their car right over the willies and while they're talking about demon -nology and what he you know this book that he's going to write about five thousand years of Dima -nology that'd be the ultimate coffee table book. You know I would love to have that Bowie's book five, thousand years deem analogy will trace a man's conception of evil through the ages Does. He say more monsters more fun and profit. Yeah. More monsters for fun and profit something colorful inexpensive for copy tables of American more monsters for fun and profit as a way better name for the book then five thousand years of at the knowledge. kind of punch it up a little bit. Really sell it. Guys like a self help demon -nology book. So they're trying to find Willie. Yes. Somehow Williams contacted them about something that he found. Yes he just happens to have. A curio shop in the middle of nowhere that's like you know come. See the two headed snake take a look at my lizard collection come back into the back room and pay a dollar to be unnecessarily fondled. New You're going to say fondled I. Think There's somebody in the back of their. Station Wagon Owl man I just saw it to his head under a blanket. It's. Earth's the sound guy or something like that. It's the sound guy. I can see his head under a little blanket I. Was GonNa let it slide but since you brought it up mother. Or. They've got a kid back there. That's just like playing one of those old electronic games and then they just never mentioned him. Just dies in a hot car while they're being there fighting. Gargoyles. She's like I did billy come with Ya. God callum Dri the end of something to sacrifice. Yeah. So, there's a lot of wide open shots. You know them driving down the highway they're not wasting any time. Really they're jumping right into exposition. Yeah. I think I wrote this down as exposition highway. Get the whole Spiel Dad are you lost? No, I'm not lost I just made a wrong turn way back. Then you're lost the that's your definition. Also, there's just one dirt road. How did you get off I? I dig this when they're in the car though when they're stopped and make a three point terror in writing. To make a u-turn this this shadow that goes over the Colorado. Creepy. Of course, they're not really looking like a shadow I'm not going to look up into the sky is literally nothing around us for miles. What they know made that has some kid flying a kite in the desert. But then they're just like well. The small that look like gargoyles passed over I read in Tribune on md be this whole movie was filmed with one camera I believe it. So. That guy in the backseat. Like please don't drop the SCAMMER is the only have The two headed mystery Lizard. See the snake din uncle. Willie's Desert Museum sent. That says cold drinks. It says something before that there was cold cold beer and he makes a comment of yeah. There's something to stop here for anyway. Here's just another building nut by the septic tank that just says snakes. Men No doors on it so Already, worried three Indian blankets for sale out curios is what it says isn't that a song now I'm not gonNA sing it. Yeah, it was a song. Yes. See that he's got just a building. This is snakes is stapled cowhide to his ceiling in the kitchen. We talked about this the other day though talking about the movie resurrection Oh. Yes. She hasn't healing touch thing but yeah, at the end she kind of. The. A place like this. See the two headed snake Oh really. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God that's weird ending. I never want to see that movie again no. Okay. Them Willie just handed him a couple of just warm Cooper's here. Really wet your whistle and she gets startled by this rattlesnake that's in the cage. Yeah. For the next two minutes during their talk, she's tapping on glass right? I don't think you really want to do that. Now she seems dumb like she's not going to survival. She's just the type of girl that would be kidnapped by a guard oil i. just think it's so weird that in this I mean she's like a grown woman in this movie she's not teenager but just weird like. Hanging out with your dad and like bell bottoms and like a tiny bikini top YEP. Weird erm I just it kind of bothered me to. Willy doesn't seem to mind. nope. You know I'm younger than Your Dad. Take back to the back and show you one of my bones. Hey, hey, hey, don't go away. Did I mention bones? No wild as the best line ever and I don't know if I would have. Voted it except for the close captioning but. Right when they walk into this shack I guess the gargoyles shack a says smells like old bones yes. What do you mean? What do old bones smell like I? Don't think they have a particular smell do they I will have to consult But but is like, yes. Finally I've found someone who is on my. Chest bones smeller he goes to show them his gargoyles. He'd get a wing Garg oil made up in the shed right that said he's pieced together and then he say that it took. Quite, a while to put it together. You know that he found these bones and he put them back together. Right he found them I. think he said he's been working for a while to put them all back together but the gargoyles chose this night to try to break into to die. Maine's yeah. That is weird. That is really the basis of this entire setup is that the gargoyles were just trying to keep a secret that they actually existed so they're trying to retrieve. Said bones, right which sort of make sense. But what's weird is like Are there two types of Garg oil well I. Think they said that they were breeders. Okay. So there are the breeders the winged ones I don't know. Okay and the rest are just like worker Gargoyles, I? Guess. Because then Bernie case sued straight up looks like. A man. is like a longer nose bigger team but Goethe and you know what I mean I mean like if he had come out in like a leisure suit or something, and then he talked very like polite like human to maybe he's just evolved. You know he's like the first one of his kind or SOM-. I think he points to one of the other gargoyles like speak. So they all have the capability use your big words. He's all about integration. He wants to become a US citizen I assume though but Cornell wiles not by this this Dr oil bones skeleton bullshit. Pretty good work old man but those are human bones and you're a serial killer in the cops. Obviously bones from your victims is this where Dr Forrest got the idea of so a pig's head onto a fish mating. It's possible. Willie really pours on the kind of exposition stuff to kind of like boggy creek. His got those bones in there and apparently the gargoyles just. So earlier, it seems like maybe burn case Casey was kind of already checking out. Diana, from afar yet maybe that he's just following her. you know wants to mate like you said he's trying to integrate. Yeah. That's the fastest way to get his citizenship is to marry into yet exactly at one of those kind of arranged fake marriages so he can get US citizenship. that. would be a good plot better than what we have here. I think. So does have a montage of him like you know she is writing stuff on the chart board like the. Battle of Illinois, you know I think that would work when he gets her into the cave, the cavern other than your home and asks her to read to him. Right. I he binds the sound of her voice. Pleasing. Yes and the Bikini doesn't hurt either tell me tell me more about Archie and Veronica So Willy is laying it on thick his smell o old bones is not the only smell in. I guess we're to assume that they've been hanging out with it was broad daylight when they walk to this other shed or whatever. and. They've been here listening to his story for our. Viewers in a hot as shed drinking, warm beer, and just listening to the ravings of a madman. Sounds like a Saturday night at sounds fun now that I've. Pieced together and said it out loud and he's also got a fucking Rad Monster Skeleton. Y- never mind you. This is all I ever wanted. He's like I got an economic onto if you WANNA see that. That is cool You know thinking that like a, you know just a roadside attraction thing has an actual like. Monster. Besides will. He's the true monsters now willy it has become kind of furtive and. He slowly walks over and just puts a big bar on the on the door. So that means that this has happened before they have come for the skeleton before it's a lot like boggy creek where they have the little creature and you know the mom or whatever keeps coming by and just like scaring shit out of everybody you brought it upon yourself. Yeah. Exactly. He also says some names throws out some Indian names that are really hard to pronounce. Neck net neck Ataka Akiko. As so hard it. It is actually in this very lengthy blog on the last drive in i. read it like six times instill. Says, Nanya Tana too much I. Don't know which I think they were talking about either Hopi Indian. But. It spelled no cit icy H. I. N. C. O. S.. which I read was something like in Greek or mythology that just meant gargoyles. Okay. Something like that. Yeah. Okay. So they're listening or the China record him. And the Gargoyles start attacking the shed? Willie is. Bombed on the head by A. Shelf and set on fire in almost instant. Yes. Like this shit it's almost like the gargoyles didn't do it. You know. Everything was just a ticking time bomb like shelf it was barely taped up. Like the whole shed was just held together with a few blake strategic bones and if you mess with them the whole, the whole thing comes down that made me laugh though it kind of looks like willy. What's his name woody? Woody shambles. Really does look like the actor and you know it's all like foam and stuff, but he really gets clobbered and then it's like gallons of kerosene spill. There's Whiskey barrel wooden barrels that say kerosene on it. Yes. Is Basically. Living on a ticking time bomb was bound to blow it anytime. So he goes to basically grabbed the skull He's trying to save his artifact right even with him getting bombed on the head. Yeah and a lantern falls and catches him on fire are good. Doctor does nothing really to save him? No, and uses a two by four to scrape that skull over to me exactly leave in this five hours or five minutes ago his foot is touching your foot and you're not even a tribal like. Something I'm not even GonNa Piss on him yeah. I've got a quick question. Okay. I just saw this. It's at seventeen thirty eight where Jennifer salt and Cornell they're running out of the shack that's on fire It looks like somebody is thrown a dead Bergen her L. Live chick. Okay. Somebody threw a live chicken enter and the close captioning I'm almost there. Say. CLUCK it. Yes I think it does. In brackets chicken cluck. The closed captioning in this has saved my life and is really funny chickens walking what it says. So, and then she runs around back into the shed that's on fire. If I mean if it had been hit to her, she would have. Of Chicken the Cornell has to turn around. Pointer towards the. The vet shed goes up like freaking Waco like it's instantly engulfed in flame. was there a? Key Grip off to the side just throwing chickens at Diane. I think so I think so Diana, weird choice. Is Very kind of like a little evil dead sure. They were recording Willie was he saying that there was a ceremony that would like turn a man into Gargoyles or something I missed a lot of that. You might have to go back and I surely there's not just goes nowhere but I I think you're onto something. That'd be cool like the end of the howling if Diana would just like turn into a gargoyles somehow. That would be awesome. Painter Green and leave that red top that she has. And delvonn. I've gotTA talk about a couple of a couple of these people talk about Jennifer salt for a second. There's not much right. There's there's not a whole lot on her, but she was producer. Can Horror Story Yeah and also a lot of other. she was a producer on NIP Tuck. Weird. But she actually has thirty four credits. But a lot of which she left behind and nineteen ninety. Your. Wife would be happy to know that she's in an episode of Empty Nest. Find Them. But she had a run on so yeah, right Eunice. Tate. She this followed Richard Mulligan around I. Guess. Which for you? Mulligan, heads out there. He can say how you just follow him around like the grateful dead or something just wherever he went. So she was born in forty four. This was seventy two's she was twenty seven. Twenty eight. That seems right. So that makes you feel better about about her clothing and. Yeah. Okay. billy crystal was also an soap. So and Robert Guillaume, I, remember I, remember watching it. Okay. Who almost got trapped there. Oh so close by soap trapped by soap art. So the shack is on fire Williams died they have no remorse. Oh Willie might still be alive they never checked. Never. Shack. Although. The spilled whisky on his pantsuit and his beard. That's what made him so flammable basically. Just kindling. So Willy had a good life I. Thank sure. But if you really if you look at him when he's trying to explain when he's doing his exposition, you look at his face and he's two years younger. and. Cornell Wilde. That is Razi I guess that's just the difference between a demon Allah gist and. Roadside. Curio Young's em have her. As long career as a curio however. So they don't really seem to concern when they're own, it's like of easy. Shit happens. All of that can be explained. That was nothing it was wolves remember that old guy. But. They play this audio tape back several times while somebody shaking the car off to the. Work in the smoke machine. When you see the the Gargoyles I love the steam or yes. Smoke coming out of the back of the car. Yes. It's kind of a red light becan. But. When the gargoyles comes up on top of the car, it can't is reminiscent of like Halloween, right? Yeah My. Car and lost boys to that's that kind of the same lighting. So drive with him on the top and he's basically going we. Haven't. there. And Cornell. Wilde is just jerking car back and I love his fake driving in that scene and even Jennifer salt like her head dips towards the plano she's like really selling elated. Slapping. Her head against the window. Have some fun. So here's another. Another gas station and They haven't had a real good track record with flammable stuff. So. Yeah, maybe you should wait until somebody pumps the gas for you. Yes. So the gargoyles gets thrown from the hood of the car. and. They just go off to a gas station and one of the only a few standing structures. The in the entire movie, they just burnt down one of them, right? There in like death valley or something and. Still don't seem very concerned about what's going on no. No they play off what happened to the car. A. Can you fix this? It looks like somebody Claude the hood of the this is deep gouges. The guy's like, yeah it's midnight shirl get the work on your get your hooped affixed up. Yeah. So this guy gas station attendant, his name is. Jim Connell Okay Jim Connell. hasn't been in a whole lot of things please Tim. It's. Jim Connell. Oh He's been. Really That'd be cool. If he was just like you know I, want a bunch of Academy Awards now is the Weirdo. Just, a Weirdo he played the voice of the president and wizards. Yes I saw that. That's weird right Yeah his name's buddy. We talked about wizards because it was the Ralph Bakshi. If you look through his stuff I think it's funny how some of these people are like he was great is that Gas Station attendant. I'M GONNA making the gas station attendant I've show Similarly cast. Just playing to their strengths, he just looks like a gas station attendant. Hey where are you in the film? They got to the hotel. You get to see the creepy what's her name? What's The lady that wanted to drink and everything? Her name is Grayson Hall. Yeah she played Mrs. Parks. So she is the the maybe the owner proprietor this. Hotel and what she's immediately just all you wouldn't believe what I've seen up here. Why don't you stay for a nightcap? Stay for a nightcap. Okay But grayson hall she's been in a few things. She was an dark shadows Oh. Yeah. Cool. So she did that for a long time. She has kinda spooky is yet not a whole lot of looking to. It's not not much. We're getting ready to see a bit probably the biggest star of the movie is coming up pretty soon coming up, they get a hotel room from her apparently. And I mean. That's the seventies but Jennifer salt cannot be bothered with a Bra. No raw through this entire them. But again, it's the seventies. So they're like so tired, they can't get a hold of the police that night. So they just sleep it often I. Guess they're going back to Willie's with the police. To find is still smoldering body. I. Do love this. She's sleeping by the way and he keeps playing that. Tape, over and over. Yeah. She awakes from her slumber to her own screaming. Tape of cannot be good for you. She did not reach deep rem sleep with that but he did say that it was noon she was still asleep he's. Ready to go in it's noon. You haven't gone to the cops yeah. Again, he could. He could still be alive Willie is just less important than anything Willie, basically sacrificed his life. So the guy could write a book. Yes. With this brawl daughter and. This scene with the not even a gang. It's just a bunch of guys riding dirt bikes in the desert. Why does the sheriff like immediately jumped out in his deputy has a shotgun on yes. Oh, they are ready to kill them. Yes, this. Aren't they so trigger. I don't know maybe there's a back story on this. I'm sure they're moving gang of dirt bikers. If you're in the seventies and you're in a town like this, this phenomena will occur. Naturally, there will be a cracker shariff and a young punk for him to chase. It's like a requisite thing and all a small towns I think you know you think. Maybe. They just needed a fill some time. because. When they start chasing down Scott Glen and the other motorcyclists. Yeah. That eats ups a few minutes Oh. My Second Dukes of Hazzard Sane basically and it almost looks like they may have sped it up a little bit. Yeah. I noticed that too also that's the sheriff driving that giant car deputy still got his shotgun when he pulls out to go chase. The bikers? He almost hits Diana she had to move back. He almost clips her cornell grabs her by the shoulder. Thank God because she for sure would have broken both of her legs taken out both kneecaps. This chase is kind of fun. Yeah you know. Yeah. It goes on for quite sometime and he probably would have shot before now. Exactly. But I think they're given a chance to set up at. Have you mentioned that at Scott Glen? The Guy in blue is Scott Glen. Yeah. There's only a few lines from other of the so-called gang that one of them is a stuntman course. Yes. Who is also a Gargle? Right. Yes I feel like a lot of people on this headline double roles you know Oh. Yeah. Jennifer can you please hold this boom mic out of frame? Yes. Some clothes on. I mean the sheriff's basically like we'll hell if you guys weren't around, we would've executed I'm already. You're saying they didn't do anything against a lot. Different Strokes for different folks I guess when the the friend purposefully runs into Scotland and knocks. You really. He does so I don't even know what they take him. They take him in for being vagrants for looting wearing too much dim. I think I read. I. Think Scott. Glen was in his thirties in this first movie as I. Really. But he is wearing a Canadian Tuxedo. He's got a denim jacket denim pants denim shirt then everything. What did I say Canadian Tuxedo? Yes. That's very often I meant to say okay good Now, his first movie was called the baby maker. I looked at this last night I. This is one of the things. I. Couldn't wait to talk to you about what? I have a feeling. I know what that means that. What does that mean? Tisch. Gray had a baby and gave it up for adoption cheese contacted by a second childless couple who wants to have their husbands baby because of the whatever. Whatever it's like a hallmark movie. Yeah. Oh, my garbage, a hershey. And Scott Glenn, and if you if you want to see some Big Handlebar Moustache. Mark Handlebar Moustachioed Scott Glen Yeah without his shirt on. This is your movie I think a lot of people are probably into that it. He has like a huge shit kicker mustache. And you may ask yourself jacket fringe on it. I think you can. Connect the not. Done like this king is but in one of the pictures. Yes. Is going to close. So glad you scroll over that. and. I'm looking over to the right now cornell's got his shirt off. Gone my whole life without seeing that actually he's had a good shape on he has some action scenes. And it's kind of a amusing to see this old guide. Yeah. He has got a weird hair situation is very curly hair kind of pubic hair the scene where the gargoyles bust into their motel room. Yes. which their motel room is like a whole like floor of a house or something, it has a couple of big spaces. So one gargoyles like in the bathroom like trying up makeup and shit. Looking for the skull right I guess. But also Mommy's not there. So they're going to try lipstick on and stuff. Cornell is wearing like a Ladan pants like kind of like slowly like it's looks like the bottoms are just a genie's pants. One gargoyles shuts the bathroom door just to make it explode from the inside. Already open is causing as much damage as he could. There's like three or four of the gargoyles that are just coming to ravage their bedroom instill the skull right right. Why is every action scene for the guard oils? Yeah. We sped up the car chases I was thinking about that too and if it was in regular us at regular speed I, mean I think the slow motion does make it slightly creepy or maybe their makeup loan it's not like terrifying. Bright. And these guys the whoever they look kind of like the drones they just have like beaks. They kind of look like the a sleet stacks in the. Same exact thing maybe wonder if that's the same cost teammates just repurpose. Thought if they didn't slow it down decreases in the foles in the rubber costume might be more apparent or something. Cornell chases the gargoyles off in one of them. Crossing the street is hit by a semi. It's almost like a he throws himself in front of a semi at it. It looked very avoidable. Did but the semi driver didn't stop either he's One oh. Yeah. Not, another God damn car while. Going to say the exact same thing. But. This is where we actually get a good view because a good view of Cornell's. Upper Body. He wants to tend to the Gargoyles, but he doesn't WanNA touch it at the same time. Yeah. That's how you get Salmonella but that you can see the makeup in the face and the is seem kind of glow behind the makeup that pretty Goddamn coal does this. Yeah. When he's like kind of tending to the almost dead when it does look cool. and. So many times where you like see the actors are. Teeth. Like underneath the cost I mean. Even. That didn't look bad. So do you think they had those like back then they were just completely blind contact lenses. Bats why I got hit by the car is. Probably didn't know. What if they? What if that wasn't actually in the movie with? Actor actually wandered out onto the highway and got it. Well, you know he would want us to keep the footage I would say bug. Knows Kazeem. Dead I feel like in the seventies there were a lot of like onset deaths that they're just like He knew the risks. So now. I can't Grayson, her name's Grayson while Grayson Hall she looks like She's ready to party. She's been running this hotel slash brothel for years now, right? Being the only hooker in the brothel I wouldn't go if I wouldn't call her a hooker color hooker for Lucy. And maybe boozy floozie Boozy floozy there you go the but she does always have that like jelly jar full of wine or whatever that is that's awesome. Jennifer Salts, kind of issue like Horny for Scott, Glen. So she's become kind of a you know social justice person she's like arguing for. Yeah they they kinda locked is a little bit. We'll also she is wearing an even more sheer and all this talk. Right, but she she has an overshirt. I bet that she loses pretty quickly. Come on guys but this was TV this was seventies teen. Yeah. That's true. This is actually a pretty risque I. Think for seventy two having her run around like that Yeah Bir seventy two T V anyway right. This is like such a circular like they go back to the hotel and basically the same scene happens again. Yes. They've got the dead one on the bed and his buddies come to kind of busting now. Yes, and they're basically like an a little Congo line by the front door and also all the other gargoyles just noticed kind of have different makeup. Yeah. It's almost like they had a limited amount of time to make these costs I'm so. I think I read this whole thing was filmed in like eighteen days. Yeah. Right. Didn't isn't there some bit of Trivia that someone backed out of it because they thought maybe like the first director or something backed up I did read something like that? Yeah. Because whoever's producing it was like, okay get this this and this, and it's got to be done like next week there goes it was Bill Norton was a replacement for a previous director who turned down the project because he thought it was impossible to shoot the film and eighteen days apparently not when you just have the same scene happening over and over again. There is some pretty cool. I mean the way Willie's place blew up as I mean, I guess setting the building on fire is like no big deal but that look conical didn't they burned down the hotel at the end of the movie. Yes I. Think. So we'll talk about that soon to. Jennifer salt goes to the sheriff's department basically to try to get help because the gargoyles broke in. Yeah. So and then Scott Glen just happened to be there she is like you still have these guys locked up and they can't get a hold of the sheriff because he's already gone went home to drink and scream at his wife. Yeah. So she goes back to the hotel. The gargoyles are just out there when cornell wilde grabs her and put her inside, they locked themselves in the little hotel room he puts a four pound TV tray in front of the door and a tiny little like Balsa wood share. Basically just fucking explodes when the stuntman hits at one. Think Good Job Dad. Dad Are you doing this on purpose? You want me to go with them. Don't you you want me to get abducted by the Gargoyles don't you? Why you bought all these flimsy little BANDANNA tops form. Okay I'm getting a closer look at the other like type of suit. Ban It looks Kinda. Cool. They definitely don't look like gargoyles but they kind of look like horny toads remember horny toads like yes. Yes. I saw that one's face I thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. They're in the car. Yeah. The gargoyles rips the door off the car t. they take her away and basically just kind of backhands, Cornell? He gets pimp slap. Instantly out and turning this car over on its hood. Yeah. That had to be that thing probably ways fucking two thousand giants station wagon. It was cool I. Think I remembered this as a kid to that really shows like the sheer power of the gargoyles it was kind of believable in seventy. S When you get the first view of Bernie Casey up. His Wings Yeah. Any looks bad ass because he just kinda reveals himself and he by far has the bellies like a costume. You know he does look like a devil. He has big devil horns in the wings are very cool. They don't start at a shoulders they sort of start in the middle of his back. And they look really bad ass and that little slow motion scene where she's on the ground and he kind of quickly in slow motion somehow kind of just. Covers over her jumps down and like others over that was pretty damn cool. I thought looked pretty fucking cool and he starts touching her hair and checking her out. He definitely wants to. Cause literally is held together by an he swipes at the tie in the front. But no boobs because this is TV movie we're GONNA show you everything but glad that a MS parks have absolute or anything. Oh my God does break into the sheriff's desk-drawer. She's just like. This He's like this is the third report today and it's all bullshit. And drink my booze. That's my share of those too. But the Gargoyles have been running all night to get her back to the cave. Bernie Casey has yeah. Well, and they also want their, they also want their brother I assume. But. They've been running all night and it's they don't get to the cave until morning the sun is. Yeah he has been carrying this hundred and twelve pound girl for miles. Time and space in this movie are questionable. You never know how far the hotel is away from their cave and how far the jail is away from the hotel. I don't ever show you any of they don't hesitate really to show you gargoyles in light they they wanted to show off this makeup. And one right when they're going in, you know you see that kind of matronly. Gargoyles you now it Kinda around and heads towards the cave and basically looks like it has a like a saggy diaper on. saggy diaper that has leaked. They couldn't figure out butts. You know how to make like a monster but the monster, but that is our coffee table, right? Coffee. Table Book. Yeah. Coffee one beer one beer. Because, we got the Mrs. What's her face going into the? Sharks everybody basically is going in that going to find the girl has that been adopted by the gargoyles right so we're forming our own posse which includes everyone in the town. Basically, everybody else in the movie except for. Diana and the Google well except for buddy the. Gas attendant they should've thrown him in for just some fodder. Was He not the one that was driving the chick back into the Oh my God maybe so So literally is. CAST. Cornell band-aid and you have to think that they've gotta first aid kit or something there says a big open wound on his forehead. Right. So my little tangent though is going to start off with the writers. Steven. Steven and Eleanor Carp. R. Pf if you said that to anybody in the face to. Saying that to somebody. Just to make them realize that there's an ethical even have to spray them with the spittle. Karkare. Maybe we're pronouncing it wrong, but it looks like carp. On a few things? I'm looking at him. Tell a plays has what they call a TV. It's Terror in the sky. Devil Dog, the Hound L. Look at that one devil dog colon. Bell Richard Krenek et menu now does not him as I'm sorry the Ike Eisenman and Kim Richards. They were in escape to witch mountain. Oh right there like Disney. Yeah but anyway, R G. Armstrong is also when deviled on yeah. Right I gotta get my Ozlem that. What could that be? Do you think? I remember box art that had that was monster dog right had three dogs foul stupor. Yeah. Was Awful Data Thinking Oh? Okay, right. This is another terrifying TV movie. As sort of looks like maybe like Hounds Hound of the Baskervilles maybe But yeah, I got a whole Archie Armstrong and Guys alone. I had somebody else I wanted to talk about I, don't know. How exactly I got here. I've got some notes I got some Nelson okay. Okay And find him all I'll talk from it. So Bill, Norton Yada. We talked about him he wrote convoy nineteen, seventy eight. Sure. Did you realize that Sam Peckinpah directed convoy? Yeah. But only because I was looking at it last week, I wasn't just I. Didn't just have it on the top of my head. I don't know why I didn't know that. Hey. Devil dog also has the girl from work. Wait a minute. Isn't this the same girl from dark night of the scarecrow? No No. I think we talked about this. That's why we brought up escape from which mountain. That is the girl from tough turf, yes? Yes. Yes. Okay. Kim. Richards Gotcha. So. Let loose. Yup. Who looks nothing like her? Profile picture is confusing a little bit. Because she doesn't look anything like she did she was a child actress big time, right? now, convoy also had Franklin Aj in it Spider Mike Right. One of the truck drivers who was also in the BURBS. Oh my God. So I thought I'd make that just to make you happy. He plays detective. Yeah. He's was like is this your communist Klopp? He's like it's close pack. That's awesome. Dr Clark. Yup. Good. Going back to convoy. Convoy had a character actor by the name of Bill coots. Bill Koonce K. C. O. N. T. Z. who played Old Iguana Okay but you won't really notice him until you click on his picture from convoy and you're like Oh. Yeah. Oh Yeah. He he looks like he could be telling me that that world doomed. It's gotTA. Exactly Willy kind of looks like Crazy Ralph too. I thought when I'm but bill coons had been in a ton eight, hundred, fifty, five things convoy was his last thing but he was a kingdom of spiders. he was in gunsmoke series the big valleys series Yeah. I. Recognize Him now I from Kingdom of the spiders that it using in the Virginian he was in Brandon. Brandon. He's just in a ton of old shit. All hide the untouchables. K. But he was in a movie. That I decided to watch last night at midnight for some. Unknown Freakin reason. Okay. Called, beware the Blob beware the BLOB. Yes did you realize this was the sequel to? The BLOB. No I did not either it's not son of the BLOB. Son of the BLOB. Beware the BLOM. Nineteen seventy two, the same year. Directed By. Larry Hagman Okay Goodwin Tim. That you got me. I gotcha they wear the Blob also had Dick Van Patten. Really it had Garrett Graham. Okay wait a young. He's an a a gorilla suit. An ape suit jumping around like throughout most of the movie and fact he gets into his little Dune buggy puts on his gorilla mask before driving away. That's creepy. Yes this movie. Okay. It was horrible. Not. Have a lot going for it. No. The first main characters, names, Godfrey Cam Bridge. Gate he played Chester Argus and got he's been in a few things. You know a lot of blaxploitation stuff back in the day cotton comes to Harlem. Okay Godfrey Cambridge. He was in an episode of the monkees Oh. Yes. I recognize him. But anyway. It doesn't set it up at all and I guess, I, read in the Trivia for this Chester Argus was a construction worker who accidentally uncovers this canister that has bits of the Blob left from the original movie. Okay and which kind of like the remake exactly which he puts in his freezer K and his wife or girlfriend decides what is this doing in here and she sets it out it thaws out and starts killing things again. Okay. But that's where we open up is just chester he's actually camping out in his living room. He has a tent set up and I guess they couldn't afford for him to go on a real camping trip and film it. So he did it in on the set. and. His drinking beer he actually pours like four or five beers and his big container just start drinking it out of the big container while we see a fly land on them, the BLOB and it gets eaten basically starts generating it strength at goes after a kitten. The blob moving was the best part of the movie. Yeah, and it's always like moving over like little models or something. This also has Cindy Williams. Okay and she's playing a little hippie girl. She's smoking some pot with this guy playing guitar. In l., it's like a sewer big drainage pipe. He wants to play the guitar because it's got great acoustics man yes. This is Randy Stone Hill and he actually helped pioneer a lot of Gospel Music Okay I'm telling you I went down this hole and never came back. Wow. Well while Randy and Cindy you're kind of hanging out in this thing and they're smoking pot and playing music the police show up and basically holding them at gunpoint at the mouth of this free Kim drainage pipe and they're like look behind you what does that behind you and the? The The blob comes down and basically just kills him like you think. I'd fall for that old trick that was said. Hey Oh. He was a cop that actually he was on credited he had a couple of lines, but they killed him off pretty quick. Sid. Haig. COULD BE UNCREDITWORTHY in every movie and you're just like our said, hey? Nobody else has had or face, but he was wearing a helmet at the time you know. Slightly obscured later on in the film. There is there's a couple of hobos hanging out in which they get. You know they're just more victims One of the hobos Burgess Meredith. Really. Yeah. Wait a minute I. Now I'm confused what movie are We talking about now? Talking about beware the BLOB right okay. But this is this is nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two burgess because he was friends with Larry Hagman how I read in here that. I guess you know there was a plan sequel for this for the longest time that just never got made somebody ran into Larry Hagman Larry? Hagman said, he would direct it. And he said, I've got plenty of friends that would be interested in coming in and wouldn't mind getting BLOB, D-. They called it right but they turned it into kind of a comedy. One, it wasn't funny. No. To they didn't really have a script. So everybody is just doing their living their way. Yes. That sounds awful it. It is horrible. It's interesting to see Garrett Graham very young dancing around Vic Dick, Van Patten is playing as a scout master. Yes. I. Guess It was a bit of Trivia. Most of the scouts uniforms had different numbers on them and stuff. So they basically just did it as cheap as possible. Right let's not get up on merit badges and. One of the hobos. That was talking with Burgess Meredith is by the name of Del Close. Doesn't sound like a real name, but del close, he is wearing an eye patch and this film. Del Close came back as the Reverend Meeker? Remake the BLOB which at the end the as I patch. That's pretty cool. But now wait a minute but it wasn't the same character. The Hobo gets killed the Hobo wearing eye patch. He gets killed her there was nothing really to connect to that. I just thought it was pretty interesting is creepy as that that preacher I would love to see another remake which I think there a credit for the blob starring Sam Jackson Samuel. Jackson. But there's no other information just lay attached his name to it. That's it. Wow Jack. Harris. he is also credited as something on beware of the Blob. man running across is on credited. He was the producer of the original nineteen fifty-eight Blob. Okay. They gave their approval that they were making this horrible crappy like sequel to it I guess. Yes, and then they saw it and they're like Oh. What have we done? What have we done? It went away down here del close was in. Next of kin to. He was one of the brothers. It will this Jack Harris who has first credit as producer was nineteen, fifty, eight's the Blob he produced equinoxes Oh interesting. We brought this up a few times. And then he went on to executive produce this film beware of the Blob, and then also came back and produced the nine, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight remake. So but he was also a producer on Schlock Okay. That's what kind of feel they were trying to do with this movie, but it really didn't work out some scares, but it's also we're gonNA make it like funny too. So anyway, that's my little trip down Sidebar Lane Gotcha. Did you know that one of the jaws movies was going to be like a parody like national lampoon's kind of thing. I I think I did read that. Been? Cool. I do have one other thing written down here about the writer Stephen. Carp. Carp feet. He wrote a movie called Adam at six am. Ad Am which stars Michael Douglas. And Joe Don Baker. K.. and. Grayson Hall's in there as well. Though that was nineteen seventy, it was two years before this. So if you ever wanted to see. Young Michael Douglas. But the ARRIGO nineteen, seventy-one terror in the sky. I I wrote down here read Synopsis. Okay. Still want to. On a transcontinental flight, the flight crew suffer from food poisoning and become incapacitated to save the aircraft. The cabin crew must locate a passenger flying with experience. He's coached by an experienced pilot to the ground. It kind of sounds like a they tried to have a serious airplane, right which that. Doesn't. Yeah that didn't fly. No Oh cook. Unless had but you did. I had to. Why were they escaping to which mountain? Did Irony bring this up one? Yeah. We talked about this for bid came every time it pops up because it was always confined just seems like a place named witch mountain is not the first. Right and in the sequel was returned from. So it didn't. Yeah. It tends to not make sense. Yes. Okay. Good. As long as we can agree on. Okay. All right. Can I close out everything a convoy related because I've got a lot so. We got a great big convoy man Chris Christopherson was rubber up. Why no that he sing the song. We had no thought Jerry earn not Jerry Reed Jerry in it. Is He. As. An e if it's a trucking moving, it doesn't Jerry read them very deserved. Okay, hang on. Just, for clarity. Oh I don't see him Maybe, I'm just like mashing to to trucking movies together. I just in band but. Oh well, oh well. Okay. We spent way too much time on convoy. Have we or not David read maybe he's related. It's he's the guy in the bathroom in convoy. Don't WanNa think about the guy in the bathroom and convoy. Okay. Back to gargoyles member that arguelles as that what we're doing this week remember. So we left Diana with Bernie Casey in Stan Winston makeup, sniffing her hair and tugging at her top. Okay here. Here we are I'm sorry convoy was performed by bill fries. WHO also has a soundtrack credit on mystery science theater what? Yeah Okay it was on ripped Tillis Okay. That's canoe. MS. Okay. So you think that the gargoyles are this is kind of like a not quite a Shamlan twist but you think that the gargoyles are just kinda like mindless monster sort of because all they've done so far is just break Balsa wood doors and tiny little tables. What did corn while think think that was going to this is going to buy a few seconds. Yes did with the lamp was on that thing the light one twenty busted. So many. Anyway, but maybe that just speaks more to the construction of stuff back in the seventies bribe. But riddle me this now I, swear, in the dialogue that Bernie Casey says, they've only been awake for two weeks. Okay. That's what I was open. You could clarify low bit because die I couldn't figure out if they were. Old creatures that had been hibernating, which I think that's what it is. I think that's what they. They weren't just birthed two weeks ago they had been hibernating or in some type of like A. Suspended anime as. Chur. Okay. So but where do all these eggs come from? So that's basically they a hole. Cave. Clan. Of gargoyles and a ton of egg. So somebody's. Ado in the nasty. which can be seen on at forty nine open to. Oh almost there. Bernie Casey's talking to the the matriarch about the you know the eggs hatching or what she turns, and he slaps her on the. Yeah he does. He does he gives her like a good game. He does a locker room. was that about letting you know that? Yeah. Even old ancient creatures can get it on like Bernie Casey. Get outta here baby yeah. I may be green and slimy. Want you to see what I'm going to do to this human. Take a nap. It's. Bernie Casey was not very good. So that little bit of emotion and you know. And she hugs him when he comes in, you know and she's like stressed out and crying, we're calling her the Matron Leisure Gargle but it's only because she's the only one that has like, would you say like female features and a WIG bribe? Basically, every gargoyles looks different than the one beside it. They could have made him look all the same that was interesting choice. But then also that just end that they have like. Their emotional there you know and even that ask slap is like a sign of community in love and it wasn't. He wasn't being mean now no he he was like we're GonNa make some eggs later. Yeah exactly. So do you think that she's the only female among I don't WanNa get into like the actual like? Maybe. That's why she's crying. She's like. But no, she's I mean she's obviously crime because one of them died or I got hit by a semi bright. The had been this cave that they're in with the gargoyles seems to go on for a while. This looks more like natural than I don't think they actually. Constructed No, you're right. You're right. There's no way. It almost looks like kind of like a You know something you can take a tour through Carlsbad Caverns xactly. I'll man and he she did lose that Khaki shirt pretty quick. Can See most of her skin. Barely Cameron Her But yeah, the cave does look pretty cool. Oh Hey look here in the trivia during the ride from the airport Dunkel Willie's place. You can see the knee of the sound man He was laying station wagon thought it was his head I thought you were going to say you can see Jennifer Salts nipples. Very prominent. Reading. Trivia here. Yeah, I was. I got lost too. Okay. I I dig this. So we have Grayson. I can't remember why I can't remember a character name Miss Parks. Ms Parks missing drunk not Miss Parts. Are you sing it with a T. or A.? K.. A. K. Okay because if it was miss parts that would be gross. But Buddy, is driving her into town. Okay. Good to go. Get back up. Okay right. Go get state share of the state police whatever getting him. They say it's going to take two hours to get there. So they're really in the middle of nowhere right or that's just them like stopping off for snacks and. An quickey, a buddy and MS parks. You think it has happened before bombs mature in the tau. I'm pretty sure that's what the John Cougar Mellencamp said about a really what song. Anyway. When they find their car that that truck just doing circles out in them. Yeah. Out Out in the open air the I thought that was pretty cool. They were driving away and you could see the gargoyles hand in the back creeping up on him. Yes. They had some creepy cool SIA that have been used time and time again before and sense. Yes when they. Show Mrs Parks. There's a scene with Scott Glen, another one of the motorcyclists. You know they're doing something to their bikes right and I think another sheriff's cars there. Okay, and they just look up to see her hanging from the Telepho-? Yeah. Upside down. That was pretty freaking crazy. Yeah. That was creepy. Really good movie everybody is just formed a posse everybody whatever vehicle you want to drive or or ride. Horses motorcycles, trucks dog basically everybody in the town. But I WANNA know how this how buddies truck got to closer where they were with the gargoyles. Then the rest of his crew, right? Like, he's the only one that knows of a shortcut. Are we to assume that this big bag of stuff that has to be wine, right? They've got a that's hooked onto the side of the two. Yeah hanging from the Mirror I've never seen such a thing. It's a canteen or it's like a huge saddle battling teen thing. Yeah. And that's what they're just drinking water out of an old saddle bag. Sounds Gross. Cornell. While the backwash in there because they both take a big drink out of his got spits it shit around and then spit it both spit it out. Like this, just your Brinson water exactly Drinking Water Yep. Like I. Wish this was. Charcoal Berry or whatever the? Go, with something white. Claw, Wide Claw Yeah Seltzer sparkling water. Got Forgot. What they were doing then like Oh yeah we're trying to save Diana. Cornell Wilde. MAKES LIKE A. Giant leap of like four inches it makes it look like he's really looks like these mannix or something. Okay, hang on a second. The car with the stone on the accelerator. What? The gargoyles did that. Yes I suppose. So 'cause there's blood in the front seat it's looks like Ragu. It's like a weird orangey. Yeah. But so why why did they do that? He looks at it when he gets up out of there like I didn't sit in that. Yeah. Oh Hill as gun kind of falls out of his holster. He's a horrible sheriff. This is the most action they've seen in in the year I'm surprised. He is not shot his foot off yet. She's having a really deep like intellectual conversation with Bernie. which she seems to have no problem. Yes. She's not scared at all. She's not in Distress I. Guess When Your Dad's a demon Allah just. There's not a lot. That is going to rattle you know. And I'm I'm sticking with the slow motion it does look cool I mean like what you were saying earlier about the makeup and stuff does give you more time to be like. That's just a over-sized wetsuit but. Did they have to do it and every Zion that the GARGOYLES are in I? Guess they just thought it made it look cooler but. Are they trying to make feature length? Oh, maybe just kind of patent it out by I don't know maybe. He's basically flipping through an old book. Does he know how to read? He's the smartest writing is unclear. Because like you said earlier, he was encouraging them to talk right his other. Yes. Some, maybe we're thinking about this too much I don't know but that's the big question although if they're so smart. Bernie. Casey's made some blunders so far. he's not a good leader I think he just saw Diana he was like Whoa. I think he was looking for another way to perpetuate his race or species if if you know what I mean a little bit of old. So okay. We go back and forth it's night. Yeah. They've been searching all day for Diana in these cases movie is either occurs during like a leaks or hours or there, but they've been out all day. And like I said the at Cornell Bulls up in his bronco thing. to wear Scott Glen and one other cyclist there is. Arbitrary Turning, knobs on their motors Alec Tightening Bolts. Better Yep, oh? Yeah. To see that. But the one of them just turns says, what's that up there? And they've been they've been tuning up there by underneath it. Turned east her hanging from telephone. Yeah. And she doesn't look dead. I almost wanted them to like she's like how me but. I. Guess maybe gravity is holding her eyelids open your maybe she's also kinda hung like the hanged man and Mike Tarot cards like one of her legs as. I'm sure that's not. I'm sure that's not on purpose. Really. Weird. Though I guess they figured. The GARGOYLES can fly. So they wanted to put her up high somewhere. Maybe I'm still baffled by the truck thing but any. So the your band of merry men that are helping out for nothing as breaking up. So three of the cyclists start to take off and I don't think it's because that's just the way it was written as they couldn't be on scene because they had to go put on the cost was to be the car. I think we do not have enough actors in this movie. We cannot have you in the same see. It'd be finding if they pan down from like the polka dotted half guy and he's just got one gargoyles hand and one regular. Ship. Yeah I mean I have to like say if that's the case how this was like films and stuff with like one camera, it's pretty good. I mean I I couldn't do. They made the most of yeah this. This is by far away better movie than beware the Blonde how yeah and not saying lot. Take. That hageman. Did they bury Larry Hagman and just a giant hat he demanded it. They find the cave and the Gargoyles at when he Bernie Casey. Is Up there kinda mounted in front of them until you know. Ordering, them to attack. Yeah is laughing like a maniac or like kind of screaming there is probably fifteen gargoyles they're in costume. Standing at the mouth of the cave. The. We've never seen. There's been like three of them. Like one of them's dead They're really ineffectual. They killed buddy in an old lady. But then when they're confronted with these guys that one guy that just kind of putting. He's dead A. I guess we're meant to think that they were like really like digging their closet, but they really vary sharp basically just like kind of rubbing him. But that one does that like straight legged like jump up onto the Bronco Hood. House. Pretty cool is pretty cool. Our friend Jj are now could do that. He could jump up onto the roof of his car from just standing strict that the natural. And Now? Their goal riding a horse there's gargoyles that looks like a has a praying mantis head. Yes. I saw that I actually Kinda liked that but that's Like okay. Guys we're getting to the bottom of the. The makeup box. We're just GONNA put some old like. Motorcycle, goggles and spray paint your head green or when they start launching themselves off the little trampolines. And flying over. Cool. Fun also earlier when they were in that big scene with the kind of matronly one and she's still talking to him that one hatches. Yes and they pull a straight up kid out of there you know. I mean I'm sure it's a little boy. It did not look like a little person. You know what I mean? No. No it looked like a young child. Yes and I'm like man that kid had all that makeup on Shirley they were like. Maybe you know like breaking a couple of like. Child labor laws or something I didn't see him credited in the movie at all. Yeah. Probably because he's dead. Like. I said in the seventies it was acceptable losses if you could. Just, write them off the script. Yeah. So the big attack from the Gargoyles and Cornell Wilde is just an ace with a shotgun. Yeah. He is blowing him back and forth one of them. Freakin GIS tackles just clips him. I saw that as it runs behind, gave him like a shoulder check or something like they playing field hockey. But again, Cornel Wilde as a demon Allah. Just he's probably killed many demons right? Is that what it? Does. So Bernie Casey comes up at the end of it riding a horse and yeah. Even I guess the shotgun was empty 'cause cornell was just going to use it is a bat to swing Adam. That's their. That's the go to move in any movie I. Think the finally use the weapons just a blunt instrument. So Bernie, Casey basically says come with me if you WANNA see your daughter, Cornell's just like jog and after. Yeah he's like, okay. I guess this is. That's what we're doing. Now I trust you implicitly but when they get into the cave, he's kind of taken like A. It almost looked like he's been beaten up a little bit more as he got smacked on the head. It's already smacked on the head he got roughed up. Will he got shoulder checked by that one guy? And then twirled to the ground. Bernie. Casey knocks off of that little thing that they were on. And when he gets up, it's almost like the actor Cornell while trying to decide like where hurt at any kind of settles on his arm he Kinda rubs his arm a little bit I keep just fell like twelve feet on your back when Bernie throws him though he just cackled he standing up there those wings. Just cackles. I, throw you Pudi man. Yeah. Emotionally he's kind of all over the map. I would think that gargoyles would be more straight laced. Yeah. Burning Casey sounds like a is like gargoyles professor something he's a professor of the Gargoyles. Arts. Gargoyles Studies. So he's got Diana and the matronly Gargle pulls Cornell Wilde off like maybe they're going to get their own room and I must say Diana doesn't seem to I mean she's like this is our first date I'm not going to let you you know and they look like they've just been like smoking joint had a couple of glasses of wine reading some books yet. He he creeps down on her though it's kind of suspenseful. Yes. You'll wonder what he's GonNa do you gotta remember it's made for TV at imagine if this was rated r. that's the movie honesty director's cut. The Snyder Gargle. So that we get to see another one of these gargoyles which we saw snippets of the the eggs hatching and the very opening when they were doing the the exposition at the beginning. These baby gargoyles ugly I'm just going to say it I'm saying right there. Yeah. They are one of them comes out and kind of looks like the baby from dead alive and it's like a ugly baby. Just, got like stuff on its faith kinda slime on its face but that's just the way I think about all kids know this just confirms it. Okay so the matriarch comes to get. Coronel wild I think said that she was going to take her to take him to her daughter, his daughter Goddamn came talk take him to his daughter but it Kinda seemed like she just wanted to get him alone to right exactly. That's what I thought was going to happen. But if it did, we don't see it because it's a made for TV movie. The did you get that? The matriarch was a little jealous over Diana. So she was twenty one at her own. There's a whole thing playing out with her Bernie Casey that isn't included in the movie. Well, I they probably were trying to branch off into seventy Sitcom and it just did not take out right like three's company where one of THEM'S A GARGO Yeah I can see. Cornell Wilde when he gets a shotgun in his hands, he looks like he's never lived build this moment like he is having the time of his life I mean really. As a demon Allah gist exactly. This is this is the highlight of your career right here I hate it. The James Cameron stole the end of this movie with Scott? Glen like putting the gasoline all over the eggs and stuff. Scott Glen waste no time to grab two gas cans and run up the hill to go. into the cave. Yeah he's the real hero. He doesn't owe these people anything. If anything they've been shitty to the entire time. You sort of expect him and Diana to have this thing you know since they're the only to you know beyond good looking people in the entire movie But that never happens because it's a TV movie and we ain't got a lot of time we need to move it along. But yes, as you said Cornell what he is a freaking as a bad ass, he is a gargoyles killer. Yes and his pants. Those dockers obviously have some kind of stretching on. Because he is. His really hard on him. This is a good action sequence for him. He's one of those older actors that's like he's like kind of tough guy. He was sixty when this came out she uses. His having a blast. He has like a blood lust at but I guess it's because Diana's right there. But. I don't like that. He kind of balked the the female gargoyles on the Yes. Kind of like on her hump. That was an interesting thing. Okay. Let me back up because I'm catching up to you hear a Scott Glen, set all the eggs on fire and then get actor biasing himself for people that he doesn't even know their names probably. But I think that that's you know there wasn't anything else going on, but those eggs had to be very flammable exploded. He went up the way they edited that it almost looks like Scott Glen explodes he lights that thing with all the gargoyles around him, and then there's like a big kind of like an explosion. And you don't see those gargoyles and you don't see him. They all just like spontaneously combusted. have no idea. The showdown between Cornell, Wilde? Bernie Casey they've been talking in a knows he can reason with a Meyer yeah. He hits the he damages the ones, Wayne. Right. I guess kill her but she does look very fragile when she's an old of Gargoyles. So that's when he was like A. I want my daughter you wanna live and perpetuate your species. Here's your chance. Grab her get the hell out of here, and I'll do the same. Yet pretend this never happened. Right, exactly they all just walkaway. It's like a likely went to a key party together, and then they just don't WanNa look each other in the faith. Not a good ending. No, I was not a very satisfying ending just to see the gargoyles. With his his wingspan that. Could not hold the mass of what he is. He never got up enough to where he was just going to glide. So it's not like the wings are just for show. They must have they have some other means of propulsion but that's what made me think of because she mentioned the matriarch mentions that when the little boy was born are. When the little gargle sorry don't mean to put up gender on a Gargo. When it was born, a was a breeder but he had wings as well. So it made you. Thank that. Okay the ones with wings are the only ones that can breed the other ones are just fleece tax I think all that type of stuff was thought about like way later like shit maybe we should explain some of the stuff. But they never do. Town just left with so many questions. Like How did they think that lasts like flying zine look good. Yes. I guess that was on the eighth or ninth day it was like all right. We've got to wrap this up while we got, but they could have done it in the shadows I. Thought they played really well with the shadows I. Think they're doing a lot of like day for night type stuff. You know just with the like it's full daylight but they just that's why the pitch of night when they fly away, you can see the shadow on the rocks. Yes. Exactly. Doesn't quite add up. But I mean all in all it gave a young man named Stan Winston another credit and didn't know did I read that the this was his first film was it the first one? I. Thought I read that somewhere I the now but. Creators of gargoyles makeup, Ellis Berman, and Stan Winston. According to Uncle Willie the native American, presumably Hopi or Navajo name for the Gargoyles. Is the neck touching co yes. Where Bruce Willis went in yes. The Plaza That's not the shared universe. Okay. That'd be cool. What if there's just a gargoyles right in the middle of diehard of an awesome. He was behind the whole thing. So while the dance that summons them is referred to them as the known Attaya. Okay right. That's what really was talking about right. I think King of the hill mentions that. In bobbies trying to. Join the order of the straight era. We Metania Anyway. Again why would you know that? A why wouldn't I know that so? Yeah I have such strong feelings about this movie and still do like the parts that scared me when I was a kid I are the part that I enjoy. Now you know. And Finding out that it had to be filmed in length a little over a week makes a lot of you know that explains i. Still. Love it. Still. Love those made for TV movie we gotTa do gotTa do the one with Kim Darby. Not Terence Trent Darby. CNN made for TV movie between at the Heck's the name of that. Don't be afraid of the dark so right Up The little things. All right. I'm looking up. Kim. Darby. As I don't know why I don't have her on speed tab or something. Yeah. They have that we talking about calling this the Darb orb gas. Now that was the DAB cast. It was still it would have worked what Dabney and Darby. That would. If they had married and he had taken her name a is name would be Dabney Darby. Was that was that worth? It was that worth the job I don't know you tell me. We'll see. How many downloads the skits? We lose a few. Yeah. Don't be afraid of the dark nineteen seventy-three TV. Movie that what I said don't think so. A couple of heritz old mansion inhabited by bias small. starwars tried again this. This deserves better. A young couple inherits mansion inhabited by small demon like creatures I thought you said better who are determined to make the wife one of their own. Still a WACKY SITCOM US way I like to resume now I don't remember seeing this early Nineteen seventy-three TV movie from October Nineteen, seventy, three, an hour and fourteen minutes long well I, remember it being good and. I think year mode del Toro made a remake of I could be wrong about that. All these made for TV movies or so cheesy. And granted TV. Then probably wasn't given half of the budget. I mean they spend a lot of money on TV. Now, the budgets are way higher for TV now from back, then they were like all right. That's why probably these costumes were borrowed from another set. Yes. Sure. Just kind of retrofitted. Had All these rubber suits before and said here we are GonNa throw these out anyway just. Roger Corman made anti-ship movie a couple of weeks ago, and he just left all this stuff. Is going to have to hose them out and put them on. But I thought move I. Think maybe it's because they have to get creative about some of this stuff because they don't have the money that makes it good. You know I'm with you or they're just like and let's get in there and crank this thing out. Forget it ever happen. says here the scenes with the gargoyles running and moving. We're slowed down to give the gargoyles an unnatural jerky. Quality? Like the Jerky Boys chief met one. Yeah some of that. War. The hotel in the film. Was An old out of business hotel near Carlsbad New Mexico. It was actually burned down for the film. The ruins were later recorded as a historical archaeological site. With the New Mexico Department of historic preservation. So did they did they burn down an archaeological site or did they decide that Oh this movie was mayor? This is an archaeological site because Gargoyles was filmed there. Yes. That's what I'm saying. Well They need to remake this I. Think it's worth a remake. I think so but you know how hard it is to like narrow it down to i. mean everything that I searched for before it was obviously the cartoon from like the ninth it's. Now no association between these. Timothy it has more association like. That episode of. Tales from the dark side for the guy or the hardest. Lisa Bonet. Reagan Sean. On Chong and. The Guy, from the warriors Michael Beck. No the other main. I can't think of his name. My mind just went. Oh the gargoyles from the tales from the dark side movie vary James Remar who I was trying to think of. The Arts. And she says we can. We can just have sex all the time. And hang out. If. You don't tell anybody I'm a Garg Oil and you know what? He fucking tells people, but you can't. You can't that something you can't keep under your belt though he really hey I gotta get this off my chest. Yeah. You don't. You can't go tell your priest now. I mean now definitely, not that would work. I'll just get drunk at a bar and tells some random person. I don't remember how that actually happens to tell you the truth. I remember saying the. The tells from the dark side movie at the theater then. It also have Christian slater in one of the episodes. Yes. The Big Christian, it has everybody in it. Established, AMY Julian. Morrow. Right. David Johannesen or also known as. Buster poindexter buster poindexter couldn't quite think of it is in the New York dolls. Niagara Falls. William Hickey Oh the oldest man and he was old before he was actually Oh. Yes. Robert, Klein there's James Remar. Robert. In that movie. Of have, why is that movie sound a wild? I need to go revisit. Anyway. Love the TV movies I think we'll probably do. A few more a few more. As this was I. Think our oldest film was not seventy two that that's. About as early as we down. Yeah. You're right. So that makes this movie adjust as old as I am allow who who held up more. We're GONNA find out. Next time on. Press. Your. Luck. Okay so you're gonNA push the picture yourself on twitter. And then a picture of Bernie Casey laughing maniacally as a gargle. A have a vote. Polls, look at the ratio held up better. Yeah. Thanks for that. Well, I think we did like we did something. Definitely did something I think we raise awareness for this? Awesome old movie. Raised awareness. We should have. Garg. Oil Awareness Month. It'll be like the month after Toyota Thon. They've got like the early fall. Isn't a Ford. Truck Money at Ford truck months is in I think that might be going on right now I'll have to check. All. Right. Let's wrap this up. As you're saying, Hey, go visit our website check it out. 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"A Pointy Box of Stabby Things" - DAMN YOU, UNCLE LEWIS! - Full Episode!

"Ask this program is a proud member of unique voice unified unique voices learn more at UNIDOs pods dot net. Hello My name's Patrick and I must scream. Queen. I'm a scream queen and celery you. Hello Beautiful screamers and a welcome to another episode of Skirt. Queens. The podcast. We're horror gets gay to night. It's episode two hundred ninety one and we are taking another trip to my very curious curious shop. Yes my very curious. Kiro shop is open again which can only mean one thing and one thing only do things but today it only means one thing you getting a full episode of Damn you ankle Louis. The Patriot exclusive series where we cover for variety the thirteenth the series. Yeah and this episode. We're looking at season one episode six. The Great Monteiro guest starring the Canadian. Scream Queen Leslie Donaldson. How about them? Apples CHEAP PATCHY. Some fucking amazing. Apple's I agree totally but you know what before we go any further? Please please please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Patrick. Walsh and every month twice a month I am your guide to the weird and wonderful world of horror movies but you. My friend are going to have to see them to my very very little is how evil left her he okay. It started evil and then went somewhere else. But that's not the point right now. All right so greetings from the epicenter. Actually the epicenter of the epicenter. Yep Hi everybody. From New York City from Queens New York from the Jackson Heights area. Which is the hot spot for things to? But you know what? We're not talking about that here today. At least not now because we're all very well aware of the global situation that's going on right now right. Of course right. Who'S TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT IT. I'm raising my hand. If you can't see me yeah we need to talk about it and we need to learn things we need going on but at the same time we need some. Goddamn escape through. And that's what I'm here to provide. Oh yeah so. This was not initially the episode that I had planned are supposed to have a guest on to talk about a movie but he called in two days ago and said that he had well. He had to cancel for personal reasons. And that's also I was a little bit of a panic to slap something together. Wait a minute I can release them exclusive patriotic material stuff that for my patrons they'll forgive me right right patrons Oh God. They forgave me all right. So that's cool. So that's what we're GONNA do but before we do. I do have a very special guest sitting right next to be on the couch here. Don't Miss Mucci Boo. Boo Boo Boo has nothing to say today. But since she's here I'll speak for her. Because it's time for another edition of Bombs Mucci Watchi- at the data. What's going on with that cat rank? Well something pretty cool happen with Miss Mucci. Last night she hopped up into bed with me. I hear the wave of crushing silence. That just went to the audience out there going big deal. No no no no no no. You don't understand. Miss Thing has gotten so fat. The for the past few months she has been unable to haul her gigantic carcass up onto the mattress by herself. She'll go out and have to come down and pick this rotan little creature up because she can't do her own self but she did it on her own last night. Which means that. Her new low calorie food is working at. Least Somebody's losing weight these days am I right. Of course I'm right I'm always right. So that is what's going on with her mistakes getting skinny and the rest of US getting fat Topsy Turvy World. Oh well but thank you for those of you who have been checking in with me. Because I haven't been posting videos. Facebook live this week. I am okay. I'm fine the reason I haven't been doing it is because I've been sick not six but I've had a sinus infection and I've had I've had it since. What is it day? Thirty four of my confinement here today at thirty I new about day three. I said I'll great to have another one of my sinus infections. It's only going to be two weeks. I can ride this out but I finally got a virtual appointment with my doctor. Antibiotics and I finally get some sleep. I haven't been sleeping at all. I can sleep for like an hour time and then I'm up again so I've been exhausted so I got the antibiotics today. I slept on a no strip that I picked up and I slept the fuck out all afternoon. So Patrick here. And he's ready to share with you. Also thank you for everybody who came to the Doug Shapiro double feature? On Saturday. There was a ton of fun. That's a ton of fun and and trying to get this out of students are possible you. We're doing another special screening as we do every Saturday this week. It's just a single feature. And it's going to be toxic avenger the musical evil dead and the only horror musical in the game. Yeah Tusk Avenger. The musical Ashley has fantastic music. 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We're GONNA talk about that in the show so this big stakes in this one so people are actually acting and committed to things and even if the episode doesn't make any sense it still works and if you don't know the episode the Great Montero if you don't remember it's been a thousand years since you've seen Friday the thirteenth series. Fortunately this one is available on Youtube. So maybe maybe before you listen to the rest of the episode. Stop what you're doing. Go Watch that over there. It's only like forty five minutes youtube link down there the great Montado with his murderous doings at a magic convention Yan. They got black magic to do just for you. They got murderers games to play to think. I was going to let an episode. Go without going into the show tune while you thought wrong. That's okay I'm done now because it is time for us to take a little Mosey over to my very curious curious shop and find out what dreadful thing uncle. Lewis has inflicted upon us this week as I present to you. Damn you Lewis Lou coming. Come in come in. Do come and out of the terrible weather. Oh welcome. Welcome to my very curious. Curio shop how do I hate when former the shop is closed for tonight because well to rally special evening Sir Monthly Meeting of sorts? So unless you're here for the meeting I'm going to have to ask you to leave the nature of the meeting. You ask well let me put it to you this way. Sometimes uncle Louis does jury full things on Friday. The thirteenth raped and as always. I'm joined by my fabulous fellow shopkeepers. Trading Murphy. How's it going? I'm doing great. Hey you guys I guess what what what? The show was prophetic. Remember how remember last time the last thing Jack said was be careful in two weeks? It's Friday the thirteen and where we now. We check the calendar in the episode. But it's deserted the show's coming on Friday the thirteenth this Friday so teams. So have you ever acted bye? Bye Bye Bye Sprinkles. The back yet the evidence. They don't know what we're talking about but here we are the episode that we were talking about today's called the Great Mercurio great role on terra. I'm sorry it gets really hard because everybody's a magician in this episode and all magician. Names are like the adjective name. Oh everything is that GonNa Basic White Guy. Coughing UP BLOOD COFFINS ARE WATERTIGHT. Loosen basic acid names. I wrote Alec Alan Rickman Imhotep. But we can talk about that in a moment. Okay so what is exciting about this. I was just telling my about this in this episode. We have this episode of this one right here. There's one right here on my got. Have herself so she watched the wrong by go? All caught up now. Is this weekend and Academy Award. Best Actress nominee who she is the best evil cackle. Episode actually episodes not entirely sure. She's Canadian Academy Award. Best Actress nominee the genie award. Okay movie for for funeral home. Leslie Donaldson Yeah. Yeah Canadian Scream Queen Leslie. Donelson classes this one up but yeah the Norton frequent guest this show and horror expert especially with Canadians. Have the Canadian Academy Awards. Genie were really loosey. Goosey like Jamie Curtis was nominated for Prom night. Prom night was up for best picture. Okay kind of takes a shine off that award a little bit. I think it's just for Canadian. Made Films Okay. I wasn't GonNa say I was GONNA wait five minutes until I said something. That's getting kind. Every time we do this Tracy Rowlett blaze out. He's got his feet over his head like not like never mind. It's like it's like a nine hundred. Eighty s girls sleepover with new. They're they're having their hands in the end of the bed as house climbing over Rocky Mountain feet and that didn't make any sense. They're climbing over rocky mountains. They don't take their shoes off until they paddle of shoes and stockings. Yes Isabel don't you? Predator penzance has no. It's not no. We're talking about zero trading. GimMe the basic plot of this. What's going on here? They find out that there's some killings magicians contest tied into a box and so they go undercover yet. Again to find out what's going on. I don't know what the fuck cabin half this episode. A lot of people likely box stabby things and people are really sort of half introduced and then killed off and we're supposed to know who they are. There's just a lot of really fast. It's Oh here's that character. We met for five seconds. They're dead now also they were probably trans. That's weird isn't it? Yeah there's Yeah. Hasn't twists and turns. Yes there at least three twists in this that I did not see coming and this is where I figured out. This show is a supernatural Charlie's angels. They got to go undercover jackets. Bosley and just have to pretend to be someone else now but we got no. We Oakland at a magic show back. Great Fun for team And I just logged at. He's using all power instead. He's getting from this box to play to sold out crowds of ten. Yeah Yeah like you make a deal with the Devil Kid. A bigger reward when he has this whole thing. We'll take a shot backstage at a High School Drama Club. It looked a lot like our backstage for our rockstar episode or a little teapot. Sarah lay down there. Yeah this guy's using this magic box to make that we're able to make his magic trick real where he gets impaled with nine swords. Yeah he really this. This granite looking box live victims. So that when he does the deadly trick on stage the deadly trick doesn't kill him so there's this like give a lifesaver life extreme effort. This is what we also openness show him RUFI backstage to get her in the killer box like we open with some really icky stuff this episode. This is cursed items usually. We're pretty Monday night. And this is not a normal household complex. And they're large. They're difficult to trade on the shelf in the store. You gotta go no and you're not going to put that in the vault when you're done with it you have to giant props. What are you going to do with that? I don't know yeah but yet this show does. The episode is open with him roof roof seeing his his latest victim and he has his assistant. But what? I always love this jobs because it's always. The person tastes like a half sip of the drink. And they're out. Yeah Oh yeah. We're face like Dramatically leans over the back of her chair. As if that's what passing out would result in life. You still is the muscle control. The remains sitting up in our heads tilted back and someone knocks on his stage door. And he's like. Don't you ever come back here? I'm hiding this particular. Actors didn't really seem committed to the Raleigh. She seemed to be more about looking pretty. Yeah now as my hair. I'm going to be star now right now. Nowotny yes yes. She lives on me. What he's doing. I forget what it's called this point. It's not the Collagen blood is the Covenant Blood Doom Basic Ass name Bates also. Another marvel comics. Been off the Legion cabinet of out of the race and the cabinet of doom is basically a coffin that he climbs in and there's a lid that pulls up with nine gigantic swords on my nine of sorts source. We have nine store in this thing backhoes and when you pull the trigger swings down and should pierce him through the body a whole lot but it doesn't. It kills the girl in the box. Yes and the blood runs out and like nine different. Rivulets which wouldn't really happen are you talking viscosity talking on magic leading works? Maybe he'll sorry. I WanNa talk about the assistant for a minute. Because he looks like member. The movie sleep boy camp where the COP has to have like a fake mustache on. The one point of the end of the movie literally has a piece of black electrical tape across lepres shaved for another movie. Yeah yeah this guy looked like when they want to take a woman and maker looked like a man. That's what this guy looked like. He had very nice cheekbones. Good bone structure and get it. Because I was going he's Kinda my type nerdy guy with glasses and determine you like the turbine you're GonNa that. Yeah but then we got close up with the basic. The basic template was working but the format with all you deliver a trip for tat baby. And he's the greatest magician. That's alive right now. Oh boy everyone acts like. This is such an amazing trick and it's no more amazing than any other. Tricky see. None of them is a good. No no that is hunting. We'll we'll get. They did not hire any real magicians to be in this. But it's it's fine. It's fine. We suspension of disbelief. Fine is the greatest. That's ever happened at fifty thousand dollars for anyone who could do the trick. Oh yeah a two people have died. I'm like Oh that's my favorite magician. Patter though when they take a debt us seriously like this is so dangerous like it's not dangerous. You built in failsafes magic as dangerous for the pill man stabbed to keep on putting different shirts on or something because you call us at once. I think they had different sawdust pillow men. They had all the individual stabbings in the meantime and they shake to be like look at all the individual stabbings look at all the sawdust falling floppy next item. The trick goes the woman dies but in the first twist of the film the great for team winds up getting killed by his own box and we don't know who's killed him a shadowy figure has killed. Here's why does that? He's sitting over the box cleaning it. The guy comes to release the lever. That will kill them. And he's like no. Don't I'm going to sit here? No don't don't I'm not going to please don't I'm still not gonNA move is full if only I moved out of the way of this Isley. Cleanest Iran sell for that one in Leviathan. Come on the big giant spaceship was rolling towards all she had to do. Step left all right. I I missed that one with use Prometheus. Thank you yeah. Big and Greeky sounding is running in a patient balls owners could dodge the left and the right skipped premier theus. I watched the next one where there's a planet let's not get started on that little movie. Aliens are now. We're off to curious. Good yes and Jarecki's all and the news is like three months right Jackie's re. He's like breaking news three months ago amid newspaper. He's reading a book. He's not reading a newspaper. Oh Okay Guess. I was just reading a book. It's this guy died in the tragic accident three Mozelle. It's terrible who is the world's greatest magician had the world's greatest trick okay Kevin and then we learn. His real name was not fatigued. The magnificent it was hairy ringwald and then the kids are like wait. I know that name from the book book. I think it must have memorize oath. And we see Mickey Hair. We are making this whole episode had quality hair. Yes yes she's also like back back on the other and the other at the first show the assistant comes in. This isn't comes into interrupt the roofing roofing. Listen the Amazing Goldfarb cancelled so we have to go on now. The Amazing Goldfarb. The BEST MAGICAL COUNT TAXES DISAPPEAR. Whose name is hard for teams. Real name is harvey from the Bronx and make like I remember that name. Didn't his niece get fired. From the first season effects of life and then go on to start a bunch of John Hughes movies. Stop you the secret power. Kill people with the box and my niece gets too. But what I love Jack's describing he's like he's famous trick avenue decapitating. Any of this has come stabbed through and making 'cause that's disgusting. I'm eating but he's dusting while she's eating hit her voter gusting and she's like God touching the thing just barely moving it. It's I cleaned. Look Anybody Noticed Ryan's t-shirt Yes Illinois. Because we're in America Canada. We do at every episode find the American us the whole show were at the holiday show and also this is what I thought it was something I was like. These guys are real passive and finding out stuff from the vault because they wait to hear about people dying. They're just going to hang around and wait for the deaths to come in. That would be the simplest way right. It's not like they don't have the register with the names and addresses of everybody who bought everything. But how are they to know that he is now going by? The great team wanted to die. I still love to and this. This particular instance. It was sold to Harvey Ringwald from the Bronx Way. There's a note explains in Tigers. Yeah the writing. This was Pretty Lazy. Lazy. It's but this box is actually the Houdini box. The box depending on. Who's pronouncing it once belonged to the great French magician who D- Who died who. That's some good writing right. There actually higher. Houdini ripped off his name from the Great Hadda. Yeah Real ripper history. Because he was I heard of them. I'll just chain store formation. They actually got something right there. I don't do research. What else goes on. Oh so what's going on. There is a magic competition happening at the first assistant. Yeah the gang goes to go talk the assistant. Arthur no hell. No one's ever any help. We learned about this murder box in. He's like I don't know where it is. All his stuff has been auctioned off and for what it's worth. I should have Muslims here and and Ryan is wearing a big poofy. Denim jacket was a shirt and tie. Actually they were both in the. They're both equally poofy. It was almost poofy jackets but just like a skinny tie and jacket over it. That was a look look But then the kids leave the store and then the assistant call someone else being like. Hey people are looking for the murder bucks. We'll have to lose them so we're thinking okay. This is a red herring. Okay this is the guy who killed. He's a fifteen. It makes sense if the System Jealous. Chirp went up. He's creepy looking. Yeah let's dodgy ex. It's all about Magic Jacksonville Y. No let's go to the Temple of Magic. This club which I get their take their take the ripping off the Magic Castle in La. Yes and just so happens. They're having a competition in a high school and the top prize. One hundred thousand dollars in the eighties. Where does a secret club get that and you also get membership into the Gold Star? You'll also get into shitty shows like this in a high school auditorium to and they have a stage with multiple people performing all at once. Oh they're all performing at the same time. They're all touching each other's props like where is your native Antigens Care Anywhere. No pointy television get anywhere. That's right it's supposed to be shot of broadcast on TV and there's no TV cameron covering this anywhere. Yeah we're on TV. I bet you are I. Also it's one of my pet peeves when like stage shows in the context of a TV. Show US film language so multiple times. The guy running the magic contest says I told you this is a close set like no TV set. Shut up some of the word means but we get we get a couple of Jackie's gains in this episode. One of them happens here. Oh I wanna I wanNA talk about running running running this whole show is Jacksonville friend. Whose name we never get old magic atoll guide all. Yeah but the first thing he says is Chad to not bad for an old man. Birdie is long. I prefer chicken. But he's been gone for so long Birdie off thirty yeah poor bird yes like okay go jacka not bad for an old man. He just wanted. Excuse me find that this is going on two hundred thousand dollars and none of these acts one hundred thousand dollars. It's all basic magic shit. Yes and then. We see a family being creepy. Father is yelling and a daughter. And we're like all we feel bad for her he's I dunno residual dog bed. Nothing but horrible to the Great Monteiro for I've Great Jarrah only talk about myself and the third person either title every time. Even when I'm not on stage died is cleaning the one thing that makes them happy. Leave him alone which is yelling at his daughter. Okay no he's not always dressed like a magician in the third act of the. Tv show is dressed like Greece. Greek come back to that. It was what we had in costumes. Okay all we drove off. There's a lot of that going on this episode. There's a lot of that going on And so then we see the great bomb. Toro has a trick that has very similar decorations cabinet of doing the coughing up. Blood is now painted red where it was previously Stylish Green. No one will notice it now. World famous trick you know. No one's GONNA no one's this is regime over here. I just got a new hat getting that. We're we decided we're going to go. Undercover and Jack is going to enter the competition. Mickey and Ryan are going to be his assistant and we walk in on Jack playing with a nuisance starting to show themselves. Oh I wrote in my notes. Don't choke herself Jack. Bad Gay uncle supposed to choke you get a putty. Have we learned nothing? Have we learned nothing from David? Guarany Otter no well he does have have a Ryan. There is a spotter with this brush. Yup Jackson had to pull out one of his old tricks is not the Jackie pulling out what it was all tricks. They entered the competition even though he's already a member of the society and I guess it's like a few days before it starts. They're still taking people coming in whatever or they're making a special exception for Jack in his history with the guy runs the competition Well the guy wants to seize pendulum swain of. You are trying to get me to spit not GonNa let you win. Yeah Jacksonville Jax Patriot. Because he has a hidden key in a straitjacket that he uses to get himself out of it which is wrapped in a straight jacket wrapped in chains hanging upset on from his feet and in the rope. That's attached to his feet is set on string instead of nails bed of nails. Which if you've studied physics at all you know that a bit of nails isn't GonNa stab you because spikes spokesman. Oh well there you go has fallen on it. Yes yes in. If you fall in one specific point like if you land but I you'll stab your but if you land like a plank it's going to evenly distribute your way. Let's my test that out on. Let's get. Let's get one of the listeners to test it out for we'll also on the stage. They focus real quickly on a guy and a girl doing some trick and the woman looks like a Gypsy with a big dark wig. Marantz and it kind of what Miranda Moran. We'll give them names often the background than the focus on for a few seconds. And that's it and that's it and then I was like did I miss that. We're these named characters we spoke to. Who IN NO? No no so at some point we see. I thought it was the daughter. Lila slip-on I also thought it was the daughter doing the hoops. It no no no when we see that woman doing the hoops walk down. A hallway slighted envelope under adore. I thought that was Lila doing that. I know because I might character. Um like this when I when we first see Miranda who's just Miranda not the Great Miranda not the Mediocre Miranda and you're GONNA random. She's doing the hoops around the floating body thing which again not one hundred thousand dollars. And she's very intensive Matt Hacking. Going man I'd forgotten this about the eighties when women's hair wasn't just like about being Mickey big. It was about being wide like that way. It her hair is why is seriously. I'll make your face look narrow by comparison. Yeah and then the next you see her walking down a hallway and sticking note under a door but we were also introduced to lila the magician's daughter. Who has a very similar haircut and a very similar face so I thought that was already. I Donaldson's I knew that wasn down. Yeah okay so yeah so that happens and and then we Making Reiner getting lunch. And then we see Lesley Donaldson talking to the Great Montero. He's casually discussing blackmail at lunch. Lick and really loud. Because I always states. Roy's no matter where I am. I always knew most dangerous and they will learn my secret. No don't yell about that yet. He leaves he leaves his daughter over make friends with her. Like you live really sad. I am also a sad woman. We're going to have some dialogue and totally nail that and maybe maybe later. Maybe maybe we should hang out and stuff you can come to the shop. And she's like yeah okay. Sure sounds great because they open up to each other really quickly and just become a friends because Mickey has that quality about her. You know how women exactly not earlier on we had to second introduction to. I don't know showrunner Tommy. Yeah was the Guy. The Guy was like is the close. Said he's like it's okay. I volunteered to be the showrunner. Oh that's okay yeah see. Episode WAS NOT GREAT WITH YEARS. This character remember them. They're gonNA do something. Okay I tracked all of this. I must be very in tune with the show or you saw how many times have gone on the first time basis. I okay so they track it and and you see. Tommy is always watching Jack. Yeah maybe bear on action. Well there's well there in a magic route talking magic step and you know it's a magic group because in the background on the wall is like a cardboard cutout like a tie. Thomas and then like the the snaps or the buttons on a Tuxedo. Shirt is because at screams magician. That's what areas around everywhere in the closet somewhere. That's lame no no the rest the rest of the the the Magic Castle Corps works. You know the time he magic posters everywhere and there's a kind of everywhere but it kind of looks higher class in like when you're in the hallways and stuff like backstage looks really cool. But he gets the dressing rooms and I'm like oh no no no no card cardboard. Dotan wild no cookie for you. Locations Brahms totally needless. Seen apartments needless were. Jack's scurrying around in the basement area the proper room and he sees great. Monteiro show up so he hides in the box and then Ryan Falls Montero and Ryan Montero conversation and implies a Jackson or that Ryan's GonNa accident so Eddie acas in burkhalter. First of all they're backstage. Jack is investigating to make sure that the call for the blood is indeed the box. Apparently the way you do that is measuring the depth of established. Measure sticking into stabby all going. Oh my God. That's prop working thing was backstage with everybody else's props locked and loaded in the opposition not close safely. There was no reason for that thing to be open. Ready to kill people whereas generate. Oj. In on this shit. Come on now. That is insane. You wouldn't be allowed but then Jack Genius that he is hiding. The death box doesn't try to scurry away as we've seen him do before he goes. I know I'll come down here. So then Ryan follows Montero. They have a big dialogue. Which and then we'll Ryan's talking. He puts his hand on the lever which drops the swords grandma touch that injects freaking out because he killed by Ryan. Yeah Got David Ryan breakdown feels Monteiro. Who is like your following me. Why are you calling me and Ryan's like can I have your autograph? Signed such a diplomatic. But you're right this evening. It was just a needless suspend you could have had it with just Rhino Montero. There is no need for Jacksonian there because he doesn't find anything out other than the tape. I'm sorry I needed a Jack in the box. There he goes. I did a Jack in the box. Needed a jacket in the closet. But we're not there yet Elliott Jackson which in the closet almost no no not successfully. Well it comes up later comes up later right about now because it's time everybody's none of that makes sense because they're auditioning everybody likes thirty seconds before the actual airing of the show only like a couple of the accident passed the audition get to go on the TV show and so jack is going to be doing his pendulum of death. Yes ever get to see Mickey and her. She's like in her utmost self dressed as a magician's assistant and she has these awful green and change disagrees based on his screen. Name Right now. I believe they are great. Maybe treated you mean. Great like they're fabulous or great. The Great Convent was my musicians name. I'm the disco era. I see that was styrofoam covered in glitter. Had the worst of her costume is just like a cocktail outfit. Yeah it's it's something that they pulled out a word robe and they went insistent costume. I saw in this episode. Yeah exactly everyone's like no. There was another one there was one magician's costume magician's assistant costume later. That we only saw from the back and some extras but is totally hanging a lot. Better than Lila's pink mother of the bride down that we see only out shit like we should in the movie working girl. She's like twenty-five go home. Fifty in that outfit pads upstate. Mickey he's looking good disco for Mingo but the balls have no wait so every time she moves her head. They're just like bouncing around. I detail ball's bouncing around in my ears. Man That my ears because then you get the boxer ears. So Ruby is in this magician's assistant outfit. Because we're doing Jack's Act right but like we're like where's Jack? Where's Jack I don't know where he is. And then this hooded did straitjacketed figures. I'll go jack doesn't say a word ever clearly not jack and okay so they have them on like a plywood board. Actually one thing. We'd you know going into this. Is that previous to this? We see somebody we see Jack through the act and we know that the trick is that the to the laws are hidden somewhere in a straitjacket. Here's the fishing out under the locks but we see somebody sneaking into the dressing room. Take the Kidney. Our shadow comes in and files that key down. That was cool. The trick has been tampered with right so they live checkup feet. You know head down with a Big Jack. Air Quality and I make my air quotes audible over the microphone and Jack and make like standing on a ladder with a torch or burning the rope and she's speaking in some like inexplicable kind of British accent being like welcome to roguery narrating. Oh and then he will have to escape the Blah Blah and then this will be on fire and it's like that's not your voice. What are you doing? What is voice? Voice Mutates from sentence. Two sentences you know. That's that's true but it was like it was excellent but you should be extra and fair enough and what governments the platform that. The spikes Ron looked like it had just been made five minutes ago. It was like I'm painted. They picked up at home. I mean Hey Dietrich yesterday to whip it out but once again. You're getting one hundred thousand dollars for a televised trick. That looks like this was like a drama sculpture. March one hundred thousand dollars. It's not whether they're man. Okay Arts but the Magic God. I need a haircut. Where the ball got the road starched? They're going to hear your hair. Harris tried to emulate. I could be trade to know. You can't just get down get down so it becomes pretty clear that Jack is it going to do this in time. The ropes burning forward. No-one thinks to take the platform style. Everyone just watches in horror. No-one prevents the ghastly death. You could just take a foot and shove it nano real it in. After he was already hoisted up and they were the last thing they did was willing the spikes just before they set the robot fire so we know that all you have to do is kick the spikes out of the way and nobody does. It's like a two foot by two foot platform on that you could just use one foot and push it aside throughout this episode. We have people timing people's magic tricks like with Jack is practicing shop. They have they have the stop. Watch out here and it's not adequate later. Did anybody notice that the Stop Watch is always twenty five seconds. Yeah I did notice that we get it from different angles from several different positions with several different camera focuses. And it's always twenty seconds. Maybe the Winder on the Stop Watch was broken. That's why Jack Canadian time Canadian time Canadian Time Jack. How much time you normally takes like it normally takes about a minute. And she says oh well you just took a minute and forty seconds or twenty five depending on what the care whatever. So whatever. So the Rope Burns through and fake Jack Plunges. To his death on Spike's dies and we we do a dramatic cut away like the scene goes the screen goes black and then we open on the skewered body now again. I'm GonNa Argue the physics on this one. Those would have to be like sharp sharp sharp sharp sharp razors did not just kind of poke little holes at the bottom like the body is although a skewered press down on this spike board. But there's blood everywhere. It's very grisly very grisly for this show. And lots of extra sitting around with five-phase. Actually three anything at scar will take the mask off to reveal it. Someone who I don't know who the fuck this okay. Did you ever check around the had one line of dialogue? Okay okay. We saw like five seconds. Yeah okay I don't know who you're just trying to get in the show. He locked Jack in a closet so he could do. The trick is Jack finally shows up because like we looked everywhere for you. We looked into your bedroom. He lives in the bathroom. We looked in the wine. Cellar always locked in a cellar. We're going to Jack as well. I was locked in the closet and I was like. Yeah we we know buddy with you. Boo Ra waiting. We're waiting or they're talking about what happened. And he was like oh great materials to obvious. I'm like what the fuck no it's not. It was but that's the stupidest logic they use not too obvious for this. Tv show like we should be this one person. I must be an. I don't know why they go check on Maranda but Miranda's dead to yeah we go check on Maranda Miranda and they just do this entire scene talking around her hanging dead body did take the week off and we find out Miranda Man Moran at this moment for teams from the beginning so God of folks one hundred six point and then some dude comes in freaks out and runs away and then they hassle him faked. Anybody read fake. If you're the if you're the cut right to anybody can but who would? Who is this dude? That's the guy that cabin before. Have we seen him before? You haven't seen him before. But it was the guy that I just episode was so confusing. I understand the structure but own this character that we imply it exists is here now and I'm like I don't and so let a walking people come. People died attached so the assistant who looks like a woman just like a man is a woman who looks like I just see. I'm just Robert Robert Robert Impersonating female as Magicians Act presumably not to be recognized right as very cherish ring. Yes sure which reaches some really fun Anti Trans Stuff. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah the identity crisis in a couple of screws lowest yet. Don Don like that. Don't like that word. Milk Monteiro because Montero had the box and was using it right. Yeah the secret murder box. You had to feed to make the blood coffin because they know where the box to is. You know we're box. One is but not boxster but then at the very beginning when the team is killed. Why didn't the assistant get the box? Because that's what he killed. Him is the assistant. That would've killed. Joe Okay Okay. Okay Okay now God. Damn this episode. Yeah separates a lot missed like twenty minutes of it but okay yeah. I'm just so much smarter than Your Own. Bollard constantly maybe arguably accustomed to horribly bad writing huge plot. Yeah Yeah just made my notes getting comparable. This random. Death is excusable now. Another dead body odors very disappointing. Because in the last episode realize realize it's going to be about a magic at it was gonna be the return of the Great Mad Marshek as a lot of Jack Stands Jack. Oh you did get a quick voice but not really an accent. Jackson said his name change four times as well is the magnificent. Marcia Marcia seems different. Marshek and there was another one too but his name of January. So despite the fact that are now you suspiciously dead bodies at this her body's really stacking up this episode and then somehow we get Mickey. There's no police police. No one talks. There's no no one talks about shutting the whole thing down. Yeah like there's been several deaths something is going on. Maybe we got up. Nope nope they don't mention it. Nope the show must go on not mentioned the show must go on like whenever died. Yeah this is fine. This is actually my favorite part Lila. And Mickey have another scene together. And she's like. I have to Stave Lila. We have to warn her. The thing is we have to keep from going on because of Marcia if a Monteiro doesn't have as assistant you can't do the trick. You can't do the trick by himself. Mckee plyler from going on because somebody has to pull the lever. That's he can't do it from inside the box so he doesn't have assistant. Nobody could pull the lever. The nobody's going to die. That's their logic on so mickey something really smart and decided to. Lilo about what my favorite part. She was telling all this. She's telling them I always listen. Believe me people dog as magic is real allows like. I don't know that sounds really crazy and it comes to a close up of Mickey's fence because I'm really serious. You have to believe me. I'm going your face is saying I'm serious. Your outfit is saying Disco Flamenco. My I can't say if you take seriously this outfit balls and those areas are still princeton or a crazy person disco Mingo. I'm not going to believe what word of course Lila does believe because I live Lila killer Don Don so Lila's one killing everyone because her dad should be great or great. Her Dad should be great. And but I think it's dead. I try to kill the MOM. Perhaps I don't know I was reading a lot into it. I just kinda twist like as not the Great Monteiro is one time I and killer dad but no okay okay but this she knew her daddy's prop who is she's pulling the strings behind the scenes and so a lot of takes takes Mickey to show her the bus like. Oh my trips box down in the basement. Why don't we go into the wine cellar? We have follow me down to the wind and Mickey did just a little bit father mom to serve like oh. I see the very clever reference tried to set me up. That only do look at the box to get inside the box fucking yeah. Let me get into this. Winter's blood in here Kuznetsov. You've got a hose out your box after you're done man that's gross. That's unsanitary man this before. But so then lilacs her in and that gives us a good villain. We'll get this this first things is. I'm sorry I can't hear a word you're saying at. I thought of urban with Becca gay hearts and she gives. Have you seen the movie urban legend? I haven't at the end. We find out. Rebecca Gerhard the sweet little sorority. Girl is a killer and she gives offers conquers best performance and Higher Cam. No without an accomplished like she's giving his white camp performance. Okay which is every one of the first thing she says. I'm sorry I can't hear a word. You're saying the exact same way that they did in mediocre movie but a great ending anyway so back to this so we can make it in the box now. It's Jack Buck. Lots of crying and it has a personal. It's starts to glow red. Christopher PA the crystals color has something to do. It's like charging cycle airplane bathroom. I'll be like you haven't been in an airplane of case in blood before airlines. I know what goes on radio in my person talking about. I'll explain to you. Thank you for that flashbacks. Roger but so the Montero goes to do his stick and he has this amazing how Dr Rice and at Pepsico Baseball pink dress with the pants. It was a pantsuit. But it's got a flap over the hoo-ha I don't know what's happening happening she burn. It's like that is all sewn on how melt it it'll be it'll be good for everyone because the big Lou. This got me my you know what? Hey you know what I always like. I really like that every time you work in a theater that you just know that it's a place it's completely free of any kind of like sawdust. Oh the glue is. We saw dust on her. She had sought us on. Hirsute ever been in a theatre carpentry shop right there. There are Saunas everywhere that your stage manager did not sweep so the backstage maybe got swept. The stage of everything is like weird sauce. Done in Miranda's wig and then it has sawdust on the back of the mother and they're like Wilder Saunas get stabbed but they've been through. We've seen sawdust seller in this theater. Arms stands up because that makes sense allowed dry. He knows what to do. Take him back. We have reviewed in a while. Maybe he doesn't know what too much for him. He couldn't handle all the article in the wine cellar. They're they're tracking us to the wine cellar and they find the death box. They can't figure out how to open it and Ryan climbs up to the top and he's trying to get the crystal out because this is the crescent actually said on this show at this point that the cursed items can't be destroyed or the. I'm back up died high. I think so. That's back trades. I don't think they've establish out on the show because I was on this year because this shouldn't have worked. Yeah because he took off. It should have been able to come off if you can't break Well maybe the me Maybe it was some kind of magic fail-safe like you put the wrong person in the box. Maybe that was intentional. We like we like curse. Emergency released bunkers emergency exit. No Shit democatic talk about yes senior you could take a bus up during the denote saying yeah stretching out so they managed to pry the crystal out they get roby out already. Green Green means go no longer coupon vacant vacancy in the death box. And the Great Montero has just gotten into his stabby blood coffin up on stage And there is no longer a sacrifice in the box lila pulls the lever and then all nine knives come stabbing down into the Great Montero in like blood comes gushing out of his mouth. This was a really necessary. Fuck how yes she does. She goes for that Canadian Oscar screaming but luckily there are two people from the insane asylum. Charter way now. The authorities are here. I'll ask her for these murders. How are you going to explain it? I remembered as locking her up. I don't think I'd be with the bad guy getting killed. And somehow the boxers swan close again took her out or something up the body she said on or whatever that would have required much cleaner loved that but I don't know how we would have gotten there yet because now all of a sudden wow. It's too bad that Lila was saying and everything was an insane. Got to like a silly sequence. Look at her mind looking at this affect US. Obviously not well. She was going to be on. Tv and think of the children God Children Dog. Oh the children's yeah. So that's the that's pretty much the end the it's done. He's he's really where Brian tries to wear. Jack's strait-jacket I guess a new one that guy in it gave birth and then Mickey Jack. Leave him struggling to get out of it. They're like let's go make some coffee with the Stop. Watch at twenty five seconds I chance on almost Wa wa out but I say we kill this episode. Four FA team team not matt. Tommy not check not jagged Tommy Uh Beranda Miranda and then Montereau mantra for her body. Count for this show so far. That's why there was no time to introduce all these characters Kale. Yeah it's like I can't you didn't give me time to care about them so I'm just like Oh senseless death. Ooh Talk about talk about the scene in front of the Detroit Complex. But they weren't able to handle it because it just was confusing episode. Just didn't have enough time to do this. Like mouse trap. They set a or. Maybe if we hadn't spent some on prop work we could have been. You had great mickey hair and the leising earrings the earring. The whole outfit was amazing. I want to give it to the whole outfit. The outfit perfect. I ain't the awful pink outfit. I really liked Lila I think we had a strange and compelling lady villain and her. Her monologue was great net. She had really Bet Shit Looking Ryan. I was here for that and Leslie. Donaldson almost never gets to play. Especially in her classic she never gets to play the bad person. She's always the victim really cool. She's a girl in a horror movie. Your chances are you're going to tell you live Leslie Donaldson has a fantastic. Raunchy lamb get UCLA catling over. Mickey's boxes this great Rogersville Ronnie. And the almost had like you had an interesting backstory where she was on the road. All the time with their dad being magician's assistant and her mom died and Gab. Was Me to her. Backstory is interesting when he was talking to Mickey she talks about when Leakey I goes to say to her to try and befriend during. She talks about how she there was something weird about the second time they talk where like there wasn't a two-shot with both of them in it and it was like they shot it without the other one there. There's no connection and I just ran. The scene sucks. It was something was off about it. I think I just stop processing that separately reject or separately. Yeah maybe but the could interested. Leslie. I've done my point after my part. I'm I'M GONNA Academy Award nominee in Canada. Yeah I don't. I don't WanNa help that that singer. I'm going to be a Metro. Tonight's hearings. I'm sorry I can't do here and look at those. I can't time if you WANNA pay John Dress and act his pants suit. Glazer whatever that on symbol was a mess so this was actually an interesting like to spend a lot of twist to this. I did not. I did not expect fifteen to get killed right off the bat. I did not see I did not get that why can that Miranda was a man Yep and I guess we those a twist. If we didn't even have enough runway to know that character was gonNA come back later. I like I said I would already focused on her. Because I was thinking about her hair a lot I'd spent so much When she was walking up and down the hallway delivering I was invested in that we could like how wide that hair is. I forgot about the trend where people just go into this big. It was exciting. Like stevie nicks been jammed. Big Paints that's a metric the amazing tuck turn thousand. That's your every day. So that's the Great Taro. It was it was it was different. It was I feel like it was more ambitious. They were trying to get more done. I don't know if the people is like behavior. The people behind the scenes. We got Magic to do just for you. We got poorly written games to play to come together and like dicky's hair going undercover shenanigans. Her characters can getting more consistent from episode episode. Oh yes yeah. Rides always been a pretty consistent. One out yeah. The ANCESTORS WAY DOWN. He able to do this last time. We forgot to do this last time. I have my celebrity casting and ultimate curse. They're one and the same. What is it the Lila where we play Gwyneth? Paltrow no also okay. So that WHO? Dan Box the what you do. Is You put in like a lot more vocal fry than that as someone who played in the video? I can't really do quit about just kind of tastes like someone who's ugly or where it smell hang and you put them in the box and then when you deliver it makes it makes perfect Kale Salad but actually has a few too many calories. But we're GONNA have some Collagen Martinez litter in without politics because it's magic ages put it in your vagina. That is a curse Patrick. That's sounds alternate casting is. The Great Montero looked halfway between and help me. I do not know the name of the man who plays emo tap the ninety nine point nine nine hundred ninety nine classic the mummy or the flu but the halfway between him and Ellen Rickman so I think I get. Richmond is the is the Great Monteiro. I won't like really solid instead of the nonsense we got is the Jin. Okay Mike Mike Casting is Miranda you have Alaska thunder fuck from repulsed drag race. Because if you can have someone being dragged someone just camp it up and have dialogue can imagine. This is where I'm big who bearings in his passing the LEVITATING US Pick Mustache. Put on as a assistant just really camping it up. Yelling at him Snively whiplash yep the Great Montero headliner and we never know exactly when the contest. Oh okay here's another. Is The asshole with the birds with the pigeon. The pitch is the only one left wrestling Tuxedo. The way here's one thing okay. This actually fits Jack thing so he has his friend who gets them into the thing will pretty soon him. The friend start sniping at each other and the friends starts getting really pissy with them. Because Jack's not showing up and there's a lot of sexual tension unresolved issues going on. I'm angry and wearing a plaid suit. you should be sorry. Friendships seemed to go to hell. Real quick Well they have realized why they broke up as never gonNA let. Because Jack's pendulum just didn't swing right no more and you know what they say. Birding maybe see a doctor you know. And it don't mean a thing if it ain't about Ryan was like would jaguars describing the trick and he's like it just takes a lot of dexterity and timing and like and you're also a lot younger ben to write my mind we're also going. You're probably let's finish up too right. Yeah that's GONNA help you squiggle out of that straightjacket. Or at least help with how long it takes to break. Udo Yeah anyway not sized shaming. But that's just what Ryan was thinking in my mind because Ryan's addiction deck. Yeah were you this proud when you did on this trick anymore. Fat What Ryan. Why don't you check? Well might jump on us for next week or for next pinions next episode. But I'll rewatch it before we get to the next episode coming up Dr Jack Betty Currie scalpels. That of course belonged to Jack. The ripper. The killer starts turning into Quincy Ono man. That's even better at this cowboy. Who's used by guy who played a medical examiner on DVD? But wasn't one in real life. Yes it's a medical mystery next time. Oh Boy oh boy. Hey Happy Friday the thirteenth. Everyone thank you for joining me. It was fun. Good time would have been more fun yesterday. Good I may own. A stake ever made my laptop. It took like thirty minutes to update so it wasn't in the cards. It wasn't wasn't it in the car wasn't in the car. Didn't want to be static data sorts all right so before we go everybody that you're join me. Thank you pay for your continued support and Before we go we got one thing to say to the universe Well I certainly hope you enjoy your trip to my very curious. Curious shot my beautiful beautiful screamers and once again you thank you. My goal just fabulous co hosts Mr Trade Dean and my Murphy. And if you like go check out Ms Mike Murphy and her show on Amazon. Right now is on Amazon. Prime called Twentieth Century Demon Hunter. It's super cool and so's Maya so. Go check her out over there. And but what about trade? What are you what what? What are you what You well trays? Not Anything. And I can't really promote anything. That trade does traders trade trades just like the cool guy from Texas who keeps things saying he's our anchor on the show. He keeps my from spinning off into the stratosphere. But I thought I'd let you in on a little secret. Okay on squad cast where we do. I remote recordings four Danjiangkou Wonka Louis. We have video option. We watch each other on camera while we record the camera never records but it's just the way for us to connect and you can hear that inner voice which is really cool but the thing is week after week after week after week every episode every time trade shows up he spends the whole time in this pose were laying in his belly with his feet over the back of his head his head resting in his chin. Like he's in one thousand nine hundred fifty s ad for slumber party for girls every week so it just wants you to picture him in a little nightgown with his feet over his head. Not like that. Not Not that where the other way. He's on his stomach with his FIDA. Never mind that's very funny. We left right and it's funny because like I said he's the anchor that keeps US grounded. But then he's post when just like we can't. How can we not make fun of your choice so here we are doing it in a public forum? But Hey if you liked what you heard. He's become a patron because you're getting every month every month. We do another episode of Louis then tackle the next episode in the series of Friday the thirteenth series because every month has a thirteenth in it right every month has a thirteenth day in it right when I make it. Spectacular becoming a patron at at www dot patriots dot com slash screen Queens. Of course it's Queens with Z. Brought them up a huge. Thank you squad cast. Thank you squad. It's really funny. Now this whole confinement thing when you see like major TV shows and other big pockets like the big podcast don't know how to do this. Like I'm listening to these major well-funded podcasts. Who Don't know how to do this shit remotely TV shows. They don't know what they're doing. You know what they don't have squad guests if they had squad gas. They would sound fantastic but they don't. They don't who does me? Who should you if you're a podcast? Sure Squad casts promotes itself as remote recording professional podcast. And you might say no. I'm not really a professional pockets. It's more of a hobby. You know what on Cue from the Barbizon modeling school? 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Use the link in the show notes for captivate f. m. You could be dancing. Roller Boogie. Ninja Warrior would ever do that to you that too you'd be a professional pockets or squad jet. I whatever I said. You know what I said. It's cool. It's all really cool now. I think I mentioned previously that. D- do day what's going on in my proximity to it. I'm finding it very difficult to get any enjoyment out of horror movies lately. Patrick that's your job. I know I know I'm kind of in that same hole. I was in after the not that whole. Come on the same to really get your mind out of the gutter work with me here. After the two thousand sixteen elections after that buckle and I just got duck watching the great British bake off for ages because nothing bad happened. There is really polite. The worst thing that can happen was a soggy bottom and really. That's not so bad if it's the right kind of soggy and it's the right kind of bottom is really not that bad. But anyway like really. Dark nihilistic stuff really I can't I can't watch it I'd be not getting any I can't focus on it. I don't like it. I'm getting comfort out of old stuff like old favorites and stuff so I am going to ask you for suggestions. If you've got something that's not GonNa WanNa make me throw myself out my window or if you like horror comedy would be cool. If you got suggestions. Lay them on me things that might even like teeter on John. You know maybe a little bit out of the way you'd like mysteries and stuff let me know. Let me know because I am dying for suggestions because I wanted to stay on topic with you guys. But it'd be real easy for me to go into the stratosphere. Do whatever the Hell I want. But I don't think you're really going to be interested in a lot of the screamed. Greens presents. Auntie Mame No. It's never gonNA happen. Well it might. Who knows Rosalind Russell's a guy that was bad example? But you know what I mean. I'm trying to stay on topic. Please help me stay on topic and you can do that. Okay normally I gave them my email here but I haven't been checking my email at hall at all at Hall. I haven't been kicked me. I haven't checked my email at all because my email is the most depressing place in the face of the planet and now I'm like four weeks behind it. I just don't want to look at it. So the best place to find on social media so if you want to find me on facebook. And what's my facebook live videos? You should go over there and do a search on scream Queens Hornets gay and joined that page or you can find me on twitter at scream Queens instagram at scream Queens podcast or become a patron at papajohns dot com flat-screen Guedes Gig hold on. We're not done yet. Before we wrap up it came up in conversation with somebody on the Internet. Like ooh PECI. Don't you think you should be devoting more time about the to your show about raising awareness about Kobe? One thousand nine hundred and fighting providing a place for people to get more ambitious. No I've talked about this with you. I'm not a doctor. I am not working with the government. No that's how misinformation gets an. I need a break. Believe me like I said. I'm in the epicenter of the epicenter. I cannot possibly be more aware of covert nineteen. It is literally scratching my apartment door right. Now that they've been three does in my building in the past week and this ain't a big high rise. Outta this is a small maybe twenty apartment building so that's a really high number. I'm well you very well aware of it if I'm going to this amount of overload. You're probably there as well that much. I do feel the need to at least address it a bit because I'm not going to get into specifics. Things like this is just my observations on what's going on right now. My facebook feed reads like an obituary column for a while. There was people that early on. I knew a lot of friends that passed away but now I'm starting to hear from more and more people that their parents have passed away are up. That appearance has passed away or some other relative or loved one every day many many times and the other part of my facebook and twitter fees as all people complaining about aboard. They are and part of me wishes. I had that luxury to be that bored and I get angry but I understand. It hasn't hit yet not yet and I hope it doesn't not this hard but if and when does I'm going to be here trying to keep your spirits up that's my contribution to this? I be bumming. You're out right now but I'm going to be here to keep you up and my speaking words are failing me. Please excuse what I'm about to do but I don't know how to communicate this any other way except through a show. No I'm not going to start singing. You don't have to panic although I did think about it. But I'm choosing onto mainly because it gets sued. And that's the last thing any of us need right now. Copyright infringement whatever but in the mid nineties the show opened off Broadway called when pigs fly it's gala musical comedy sketch comedy it is one of the most delightfully funny pieces. I've ever seen. It's just two and a half hours of sheer joy. It's all hilarious. But the costumes are just incredibly. Funny the guy who wrote it. Howard crabtree also wrote the music and the script and did all these costumes. And it is this absolute explosion of delight. And Howard crabtree. What is dying of AIDS when he wrote it yet somehow manage to make this piece? That was nothing but joy. His last gift to the world was this. Why you bring this up Howard crafts. You died of AIDS. Yeah he did. It didn't save him but in the show is a song called laughing matters. It's the one more sombre point in the whole piece just a list of all the horrible things that are going on how the news is going to drive you. Crazy and bad guys are winning. People keep getting sick and dying. Justice goes to those who pay and just as the world is taking a few steps closer to being more peaceful place. All of a sudden. The cheddar went away. And none of those things are laughing matters and how the truth is absolutely terrifying as he says. The truth is scarier by far than anything that Stephen King could write an opening. The newspaper is just a nightmare but he also said that now how to keep your head when the world is crumbling. All around us. Keep your humor because in times like these laughing matters most of all. And that's why I'm going to continue to do this if I can. Sit here in the fucking epicenter of the epicenter of a fucking global pandemic and still WanNa make you laugh. That's my final girl. Survival tool now. I want you all to keep yourself safe and you're going to do by picturing this as a hard movie. Okay I can see you like watching. Oh I'm watching another quarantine. I'm watching this museum contagion. I'm watching Brek. I'm watching this and it's all very funny to you. If I was watching a horror movie right that'd be going. No no no no no no no no no. I'm just GONNA run to the market market aware mess. No no no no. No no no. If you're GONNA do anything that makes me point at the screen that I'm watching you on and go look don't do it. You know how you're watching a hormone and you're young screen. Don't be that dumb person on the screen. Doctor has laid out the rules of how to survive this. How best to get through this? Listen to doctor. The doctor felt she should do that. Don't do it saying like boxers self up on your do what you need to go to the store when you need to whatever but take the precautions. You need to take Domino's point and go no you dumb bitch at you. Because you're not you're fucking fabulous and I want you around much longer. Dining stupid stupid ass play. So don't do I rambling and I'm getting angry angry. You just angry and I WANNA be laughing with you so I'm GonNa shut up so next time my beautiful beautiful screamers. We're GONNA have to new guests matt knife and Cubby mcgillicuddy. They are Queer. Burlesque performers who are also fans. There they do horrible esque they. Queer horrible esque. That's queer quick. If I say horrible Lescott sounds like horrible. Less note okay. You know what I'm saying. They'd be blessed that's Square and it's hard bass they're going to be here and we're GONNA be talking about the movie. Wicks board the nine one thousand nine Hundred Eighty Board movie starring Tawny contained. Yeah we're having a nice eighty slash nice little comfortable movie that already seen so. There's no surprises. So I know who dies. Who Lives so? I don't get surprised if depressed by anything. That's the kind of thing I need right now. So that's what we're doing if you want to play along at home. That movie is playing YouTube. 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Nintendos After Pokemon Leakers - Kinda Funny Games Daily 11.26.2019

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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Nintendos After Pokemon Leakers - Kinda Funny Games Daily 11.26.2019

"What's up everybody in? Welcome to Kinda funny. Games aims daily for Friday November. Twenty six twenty nine teen joining me. Today is the one the only Mr Gary Win. Ed and special extremely special guests. The adorable Serena Serena Doorbell Serena say hello the special. pokemon correspondent is joining US special correspondent. Who's GonNa tell us all about the world of fogelman to do the third combat's super thirty? What's the third JIM fired? Jim Jim now. Which started did you pick Szabo Joe Saba. So you're GONNA do pretty. Well the fire Jim then types good against five typewriter got myself will poison the uniform and somewhere sewing gave me a talk. Zoll talk saw oh so recalls level one really hard to win a battle with it. Ah I what did you name your pokemon trainer after you. Yeah did you change the clothes or anything. I thought yeah even my hair. Your hair looks like Oh nice in my eyes get upset. What did you just get in the game that you would tell him about that? You're really excited about a bike. A bike you got the road them bike so your cruising around town on the bike. I already already in the second mine. Oh the aid or bad or whatever. Her name is yeah he is very like he likes to come at you and pretend he's so good but you beat 'em twice what's your team looks like besides Szabo who else is in your looks like Bubba the talks by Air and And Max Pok Mon drifts loon pretty much for Dobie import with reporting. You need to worry about them. So correspondent what do you think of the game. How do you feel is awesome awesome? What do you like best about the game catching on naming them whom who named Pokemon yet named Miami for lightning dog lightning? Oh that's a good one that fits the character for a little. Little bit was sparked pup sparked also really good do so yeah. How how long do you think it's going to be until you're pokemon master? I I don't know until I until I get all our Jim Badges and get all the poison tapes. All the Voisin going on a mission after this to go find on the guidebook which is or isn't out yet depending on who you figure out. I put my favorite POK MON and the and the entire game Yeah we want you back when you tell us when you find out what your favorite pok. MON IN TIRE GAME is in Europe. pokemon master comeback. Tell us what that Pokemon is so so we can celebrate it. How's that sound all right? Do you WANNA go places pokemon while Iran and I do the rest of the news. Okay all right. I'll see you on the couch in the back and Laura. Okay go all right all right thank you so much arena. She's on her way. This this is kind of kind of funny games daily each and every weekday at ten. Am Live right here on twitch dot TV slash kind of funny games where we'd run you through all the nerdy early video game news. That's fit to hear if you're watching live you can correct us when we get stuff wrong. Go into kind of funny dot com slash. Your wrong I apologize for that is it's just. 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What's the Real News Kevin? What's the real top story this week screen cats is offering? Cats is back on. That's right it's happening. It's happening heaven and go into cats will go in and we're GONNA do a screen cat. We I mean we are actually going to do the content as well right. Okay all right just Jackie movie horrifying. No no you reading all wrong. I really like I like the original. Sonic trailer like right. This looks bad. I really hope they fix it but I think it's too late to fix all that I mean I mean it's done the move on. Yeah the Sonics story was what tone around. That was done a lot to that like fixed that up dishonesty on Valentine's Day doesn't it I one hundred percent going to watch it. We should go on Valentine's Day how they specials saw the screen cast. What would you call that? What's a good name for that? ISLAMIC HAUSA CAST FAST CAST screen. Fast screen fast. Yeah I like go to screen Kevin Book. It sounds good all right awesome. I don't like everybody's cats it's happening. It's on yeah sorry. There's a new Tony Hawk. Pro Skater gain reportedly in the works is from from Matt. Kim At Aegean fans for the bygone era bygone days or Tony Hawkes pro. Skater are clamoring over new rumors of the series could be making a comeback in some form another other multiple sources are reporting on some kind of a turn for the pro skater series. Though it's unclear at this point what exactly it will look like they're two different. Pro Skater rumors making the rounds on the Internet right now. The first is our portrait of well known video game leader and about the existence of Tony. Hawkes Pro Skater Masters. The second is a quote from about as opposed new prosecutor. Game in the works over the weekend you came legally reported that are prototypes of Tony. Hawkes pro skater. One and two masters currently making the rounds around activation. It should be noted that activision in Tony Hawk's split up back in two thousand eighteen following on the tablet leaves with Tony Hawkes. Pro Skater Five. Which makes Tony Hawk and supposedly masters questionable? These reports prompted interview from October with professional skateboarder lizzy Armato commando to resurface where she mentioned being featured in a new. Tony Hawkes Pro Skater. Game speaking on the nightclub podcast are Manteo talked about her appearance on. Tony Hawkes Pro Skater. Five then mentioning. Tony Hawk is coming out with another one. I'll be in that one to these separate reports. Just they're both Tony Hawkes go tony. Hawkes Pro Skater Masters. NC goes in the works for the series but has not received any confirmation after reaching out to activision so this is one of those things of probably maybe not actually like a thing that exists but the the rumors are now so prevalent and people are saying they're in it. There's I would I would bet on it at this point. I think the smart money would be on this being founded in truth. Yeah now now. I never really played this. The Tony Hawk Games. They kind of passed me by as you know we run. That will not stop me from ethnic opinion. Go for it. I am a master of of of uninformed opinion. I think it's coming back. I think you know. Could there be a redemption narrative here also because the last couple of games not well received right now the one member the one with the skateboard ride the global dorm that wobbly escape. I remember that well. Yeah you've ever actually tried we. Were you ever wobbling on a demo of awful. Just awful all right time to try and turn. I'm probably GONNA get this. But like Tony's whore five was the last place and that was bad. That was bad. Okay so but we know they can be good because the first two or three were obstacle classics. Right so why not. Why not? Maybe the time is sometimes when under the even activision stands this and they love to pump out. You know the the the annual integrations but sometimes when a franchise is in the doldrums you gotta let it lay fallow for a bit before you can resurrect and it's been a while. Maybe maybe the time is right for. Tony walked comeback. I I've talked to people activation about this before because there was eight hundred hungry master at one point and they mentioned that the big problem with those games is music licensing right getting all that stuff back again is much harder these days to do the remastered. Yeah Yeah I mean they did. Sx Three has all the old music. And and I'm still playing on xbox one in a remastered form. I think that if they wanted to play the safe bet the music licensing legalities aside if they wanted to play the safe bet bringing back the original classics. Yeah would be the way to do it because I mean everybody everybody would would would love the chance to play those again or maybe experiencing for the first time in four K.. Or whatever is they would do and those are classic games everybody he would love that but then why not also do both we all bring back the original ones and Tony Hawkes six or whatever they wanna call brewery masters and then say also. We've got a new. Tony Hawkes like coming so activation recently said during their last financial might have been the one before that report was that. Hey spiraling crash did really well for us as we could. We want to go back into our back catalogue remaking things again so I could see that being the justice of new. Tony Hawk is what if we just remade made those games. Modern graphics may bring back the old music all that jazz and then use that to prep a new Tony Gale. Also absolutely I it makes it make sense to me. Like activision is not a company that is gonNA leave money on the table. They call of duty out every year. You know they guitar hero guitar hero out every every year until it was just no longer tenable. You could argue that. They killed the golden goose by doing that by going back to the well too many times but Tony Hawk is another one of their. I sounds awesome blouse activists in God while they do Tony Hawk and they've been letting it sit for a bit by guaranteed thinking about how they can really monetize it and bring it back. Yeah one of the the things they mentioned was that because of these remake the crash and Spyro remixed so well. They're looking into making new games in that series. So these combined find rumors of like somebody saying there's remastered and somebody saying there's a new game that makes total sense with what activism themselves already said. Yeah so I I agree with you you that there's probably some truth in this. Yeah Yeah when's the last time does never soft made the original ones that people really liked. When's the last time never soft made with a a lot with have they always been made like the last couple that would not as well received? Is that because the original development went away or did they did they go off the boil and I feel like getting the original developers back that would also be a good way to kind of reboot. This never sauce closed down so it doesn't even exist anymore. The last game they worked on duty ghosts. Oh Wow we're only like support on that. But maybe they could reassemble. Yeah the last Tony. Some of the team members last. Tony Hawk game they made was proving ground on. PS Two three sixty. Jesus it has been a one thousand seven and then from there they were just doing guitar. Hero Games and then called Eureka. So who is the WHO is the Dream Team that you would want to bring this back like if they said Tony. Hawk six is coming and it's being developed by blank What would get you excited? If it was like they just straight straight upset it was we reassemble the original team. That's pretty much the only way that would be impossible. Because I'm I'm sure they're all like impossible to do that. But like if that was the dream to see Z.. Lot Bobby coach going around to different develops the blues brother's going to be putting the band back together. That would be like him knocking on the doors and just throwing money at people. I would love to see that I if they somehow let's say they got e escaped T- because they're obviously not make skin at this point right and then it's like we're making a new Tony Hawk. It's going to be a little different but it's going to NIA game genre. People still like right. I think that would be still pretty exciting. It's not gonNA be pro skater again but it's taking it into a new more modern direction. Here's what I want to say. Here's my pitch Sean. An epidural. Mr Kotik listening. Here's what I'm going to pitch to you. Tony Hawk in time so basically. Tony Hawk goes back through fifty discovers a time machine escape full time machine. Basically schedules finally goes. He's walking. He's he's. He's walking through Chinatown one day and he walks into this old curio shop. And there's like an old guy behind the counter anti Antonio Hawks like Oh you know what are you having this shop these all. I've all kinds of magical things. You know monkey's pause no kinds of stuff and he goes. What about the skateboard Tony Hawkes? Wow that looks like a really special skateboard because yeah it can travel through time. He's like get the fuck out of here but it goes straight straight up so he buys it and he rides a skateboard and next thing you know goes back in time but he goes back in time through the history of video games right right so like Tony Hawk. Get this Tony Hawk in skate or die. Tony Hawk seven twenty degrees right. Tony Hawk in skate. Tony Hawk basically going back and making Zely Light Cameo Bill and Ted through the whole history. So I've skateboarding video games. It's GonNa have like a forest gump style thing where all all these games actually got inspired by Tony Hawk. Yeah I would buy the hell out of this. The realized that Tony Hawk. Actually it's like first contact. They go back and help. Zafran call from Cochran. I drive like he goes back and in basically in you realized he invents skateboarding skateboarding video games in particular. Okay yes absolutely. This game needs to be Tony. Hawke is revealed as like base. This messianic figure this Christ like figure which you know frankly is not that far from the truth escape digging Tony Tony. In time time Tony I think you need to write the screenplay I think it's I think it's both for sure bobby. If you're out there if you're watching I know you watch you watch kind of funny games daily on the rig. Yeah Bobby Kodak please take time off from filming moneyball two or whatever it is. You're doing and green light. The screen. What does he do he? Is You have to make a big decision. Shall we make another call of duty this guy this year I mean think how about yes. Brilliant Genius Lenient. He did it. You've done it again bobby. must he must have some time. These die I yeah he has to listen to this. Frankly I think very compelling proposal yes there was a Tony Hawk mobile game recently which I'm mentioning only because when you do a super move it makes a hawk sound which I feel like whatever whatever new Tony game comes out needs to copy that right. It just needs to make a random birds when you do a super move. I like that. Yeah all right this is oh coming together. Practically makes it self. Tony's time travelling we'll be at fourteen we can put in there. Yeah we'll figure it out Tony's time tunnel time tunnel. Yes perfect or I'll Tony's time half pipe is probably more accurate needs to be a line in the game. That's straight up time at all times a half bite that's right. It's telling you this story wants to be told Kevin this'll be the greatest skateboarding video game ever made. Screw screw all the rest. We don't need the restaurant. Yeah I don't even want to hear about lower actually making. Let's talk about this now. If if what we just described his mouth the actual game like needs to ruin. The Ben needs to be the POKEMON come on company wants to hunt down leakers. Fortune and discord is some Luke Plunkett at Cacao earlier this month before the game's release leaked images of Pokemon sword and shield started started hurting up online. That's pretty normal for a video game but the Pokemon company are taking the matter very seriously so seriously to ask a court if they could serve subpoenas unfortunate and discord wow as reported by Forbes in ten to track down and punish those responsible for the leaks. The company hired quote outside forensic experts who are able to identify four discord users. One of whom was the actual source. The other helping them disseminate the images on places like fourteen and read it while they're discord user. Names have been discovered. The company doesn't know who these people actually are and so so they have gone to the US District Court in Seattle and attempt to get hold of information from discordant. Fortune could help in tracking wild. Can you imagine being one of those because right now you'd be shooting yourself. You're just somebody who like Oh. I saw pokemon image. I'm going to share it on a disk Nixon. You know you're up if you're up before a judge Yeah district go in Seattle. I didn't put that part of the story in but like you mentioned and fighting the guide earlier today like the walk through part of the one of the people that are looking at with somebody who apparently took pictures of the guy before it was released. That's where these photos came from right right like they're suing for damages and lost wages and always a suitable punishment. Five years ten years for leaking a gay. I feel like leaking. A game is worse than leaking information about it right. Yeah leaking leaking screen shots sir. POKEMON game on discord. I'm thinking ten to fifteen supermax twenty three hours a day in solitary. Terry you get one day to walk around six by concrete yard outside you get to slop out this this to me. It feels like the anyway. They'll learn Imron come down with the hammer justice. We find it acceptable because video games. It's a weird secret industry. Yeah that like when you sign are when you you get involved video games. You absolutely can't say anything about them. If on the movies I'll move a detective pitcher for example. Yeah someone took a picture of a chart and then released that picture on the Internet that you know. That wouldn't be another no real right. Yeah okay so it's not like a chart hanging out on the set that someone could ruin this from Gary. Okay I want to believe I'm not trying to break the illusion. Okay but if that happened on a movie set nobody would really care like there may be some big things as are you serious are you. Are you kidding. Movie companies. Go Madman stuff leaks out like that they go like Star Wars Okay Mental Star Wars. I feel like a different because of how big that is. Yeah Yeah but POKEMON is huge as well true but the things they leapt. We're not huge like it was just. Oh here's a poker game. They just haven't talked about yet. I feel like what they're trying to do. Here is like scare people. I don't think about doing this trying to set an example here but this does seem very. I mean they're really go head. Yeah I yeah I I would be shocked if like 'cause this happens every single generation like I remember was. Let's go somebody like this screen shot months before that game was announced at year. Are I think with X. Y.. Almost everything was leaked and even in the marketing they leaked most is are. They ended up showing stuff anyway so they need to look at their internal security thirty first and then start worrying about the people who like taping somewhere right. Yeah I feel like looking at this I would. I would not be on their side if somebody like if somebody got sued from this honestly it's too heavy handed. It's too too forceful. I think for for what does actually caused on the side of the creators bankrupt and send them over to the poor house make an example of them so this never happens again. I think it's hard to make an argument of have. We took financial damage because of this when they're the fastest and bestselling games. Because I I don't think they can make any kind of claim of like injury. Yeah but they but I decided in principle by they have they have a case he principal suddenly. Yeah but you know how how these people could or should be punished. That's Idaho go to begin with that as a general thing not just this specifically but like generally how do you feel like game leaks at all. I'm kind of ambivalent towards them thing on the one hand. Sometimes it's cool to see we all enjoy the scuttle butt on the rumor mill and leaks things right if somebody says Oh. Here's elite image from like a cool upcoming. I'm probably going to click on it. I I admit that right at the same time now. I'm also on the side of the creators. Because you know you work hard to do this stuff and you want to roll this stuff out in the right way. Why when stuff leaks out ahead of time and spoils you know the effects that you wanted to have with the reveal or whatever that could be a bummer? So I can kind of see both sides I can see their Sivan the hand. It's all four me having that information whenever you get it is fine so like a good example was three this year. Where did I go put up? Listings stinks forgiveness before they met the put them up okay so like That me that Miyazaki from Software Georgia are Martin game right got shown like it was like three days earlier. Whatever virk which? A lot of people were bummed about because like oh I wish I saw this at the show and for me personally. It's like whatever information is fine if it's now at the show or whatever for it it's fine for me. I understand from a creative perspective that it Kinda sucks but I don't think the announcement is the end all be all of like what a game it was going to be. I think a couple of blurry screen shots from fucking strategy guide a one thing if the whole thing gets leads or whatever. Then that you've crossed some data screwed up. AH INTENDO has gone over after people like that. I like a guy in Australia. Who Leaked News? Mario Brothers we was arrested. I think he got three to five years or something absurd right bright but like he did he did league major game for them five years though when he leaked the extra money by now he probably learned some lessons. Learned some important lessons in prison. Kevin I like to go to the star wars example. If you if you leaked the actual movie ahead of Time Disney would throw the book at you. Oh yeah leaked leaked early guy had any game. I don't remember I. I remember a few years ago. One of those bordering movies leaked no. Yeah on Fox Fox went fucking Ballista before had via fax and all day. Yeah Yeah Yeah it does do that Kinda Shit cover you make sure you you cover your tracks I guess I just don't do that Shit. I can't talk you out of that. Why shouldn't even be giving you advice because if you do I want you to do it in stupid way so you do get caught? I should be helping you get away with this shit. Don't cover your tracks. It depends on what it is if it's like if somebody sent me a tip saying here's one of the new. Poke them on like all right. Whatever is somebody sent me a tenth? Like here's what we're working on. I might write that up. It's somebody sent me a tip saying here's what the working like. Culture is at the studio. We should talk talk about this. That's way more important so I feel like it's better to have fully open doors than partially closed ones right because partially closed means someone might. What do you do as a journalist visit safe for example that some really juicy thing like screen show or gameplay footage of a huge suspended new game leaks out? Uh Right and and you've got it and the developer calls you and says look I'm GonNa ask you please report. Please don't put that stuff out because we weren't really it's really making it's really bomb. Everyone around here. We really really want to Turkey bullet on that. We're trying to minimize the damage. Please please don't cover it what. He has a journalist where league like what what is. What is your journal? Spidey sense tell you to do. I've had that example before in like it depends on how they approach me about it. Okay if it's a company or a place that I've actually actually have like a good relationship with. Sometimes they will say like well. Okay this is getting out in three days anyway. It doesn't make sense ruin the surprise for people whereas people will get past. They'll get ruined relationships. It's not worth burning that bridge if they I've had people tell me. Oh actually. That's green sauce. Not Real and it turns out to be real. That pisses me off. That is something something that I like. Okay well that you burn that bridge with me right now so right the next time this happens. I'm not going to be like I won't go to you first. Other Times it's just like evaluating for newsworthiness is a more difficult thing so like as an example if it's more public than I will absolutely like if it's already publicly known I'm going to write about it if it's if everyone else is out there reporting on it anyway. Like example as before once bachelor's is being released. They accidentally put a portrayal with castleblaney trailer. But like they put up a track of Kosova music and that meant like oh well that of course means that castleblaney occur is coming to this game right so I posted about that like why. It's like the trailers tomorrow. Like could you hold off like it's everywhere aware. I'm sorry that I'm the one fee that you happen to see it. Yeah but this. That's what this is right. But if I was the only one to see that I might just hold onto it because I don't care honestly like it's not worth ruining surprise for everyone else but it's a multifaceted thing like it has many situation where somebody has told me. Yeah it's not real pleased like your story has inaccuracies please the pull it down. Yeah Okay if you can tell you what these neckers. I'll be glad to talk to you about it. Yeah and then it turns words out. They just didn't want it up early and it was like right right right off straight up bastards business. What a business? Speaking of what a business us to K- begins to low sunset of battle-torn this from Red Valentine Games History Biz gearboxes hero shared battle. Born is now officially announce deathbed. Though it's an promises this is to be a long drawn out. One in official announcement today it was announced that two KS bidding the process of gradually sunsetting battle born that process appears to be a slow on the game losing virtual currency on February twenty. Four twenty not officially senator and get servers till January of twenty twenty one. The game has already been delisted digital storefronts to K- noted in this announcement that it was sunsetting battle born quote to focus on our efforts and resources and other products though no further was given on the reasons for the Games closure better born has fought an uphill battle at every turn to twenty sixteen launch. Just a few weeks before. It's more accessible competitor. Overwatch Caldwell a time to launch and overwatch competitor. No kidding gearbox the battle more in two thousand seventeen by making free to play but the writing appear to be on the wall a few months later when creative director Randy Farnell announce team would no longer be working on new content battle board on steam team appears to have seen a peak of thirty eight players online at one time in the last thirty days with its last peak of over one hundred all the way back in May twenty. So let me ask you this Imron. WanNa I'll just put a bullet in its head. That's a good rule this thing out. I can't imagine there's a big enough fan base as you can see. There isn't yeah thirty online players and like if the game's not being sold anymore right you cannot at this point download if you have a right. And they're starting for currency in two months. Yeah like what is the point of keeping it alive at all. Yeah what what does it what what must feel like to be one of those hundred or so players. I mean thirty. I can imagine it probably at least probably several hundred check in. It'd be one of those players playing this game. That you know is moribund is is slowly going to die lie lie just seems really fucking depressing. Yeah and like battle born was like it was an interesting experiment gearbox history. Oh yes yeah of everyone. Everyone wanted them to make borderlands three. Yes extremely obvious that at some point they were making borderlands three then like no. We're actually making a mobile. Moba shooter. Bright so I guess I would actually argue about warns failure probably informed a lot of what we see in borderlands three. I was find it really sad when because we have to deal with these. It's and endless circle of life and death Imron you know we see this real life death. Rebirth lie but whenever you see these stories about like a certain online games they're gonNA flip the switches and shut off. The you know the the online world is going to just disappear battle born remember. I remember when lawbreakers was kind of you know in the last days of its inexorable decline. I thought that was really sad. I have to say it's a sad when these things happen. I actually Kinda love going to like games or shutting down and like playing in the last few hours to see what people are doing living like. Well they usually have some kind of big event like almost like a funeral or like this is how the world is just ending in this game. Used to be a game. And if you if you remember it but the Microsoft Microsoft used to have a a a big AMMO Even before warcraft everquest is is called assurance call member will Microsoft announced that at some point they just don't think this is going back years and years but they said you know we can't support the game anymore. We'll keep it running for like six months so you can you know take take care of you. You'll find La Fayette. Whatever repairs in order yeah But then we're gonNA flip the switch and the switch was gonNA flip out like midnight on a certain day and that on that last night there. There was an article in a magazine about it. What they wrote like the last twenty four hours of Ashrams Cole? Where journalists went in there and hang out with the players and kind of talked about how they feel about the game ending everyone? Everyone came together in like a big kind of burning man. Type celebration at the end and then flip gone forever this kind of existential really really sad about that whole that just no longer exists. I've talked to people who mourn games. Yeah I get that. Yeah that these this game no longer under existing yeah. I'm just never going to be able to play it. Yeah I would you. You do build up an attachment to things community you do in the friends that you meet in the Games. Those are real people. It would just aesthetics like seeing image on your computer screen. Oh Yeah Adar's quite a bit to some people. Yeah and I can understand. I don't think that people were aboard exist but I'm sure there there are some if you're still playing it now I'm sure that those people exist right Frankfurter writes in and says good morning Enron. Gary Raise your hand if you knew battlegrounds number for still before to case tweet yesterday me neither. I could've sworn I saw something. A couple of days are a couple of years back saying the game was dead and gone but he's getting it a couple of years later as apprised that still going on Pity the fact that Paragon shut down for this did do you think two K.. Should have shut down this game earlier give it a statement like it did last night or do you think they actually made money the past couple of years keeping being around. I don't I don't know again to go back to the to the first comment I'd be fascinated to have someone here from gearbox and asked him the question. Yeah what what. What is the reason why you? Why do you sunset game in this way? Gradually like this like one one not just kill it. You have a week to get your shit together. You know to to anyone that you any friends in the a game like exchange emails or whatever. Because we've got this is going to why but like this is I mean it's like it's like having like a terminal patients and they're suffering. They're not happy you just you just want to pull the plug don't you Kevin. I mean yes sure the cost involved is like do you think this was. I mean if if the service don't have sustain that many people I can't imagine expensive they think why not you give people plenty of. I guess the answer would be like well even when it's only a few applies that's why it's only right that we give them plenty of notice but a year. That's a long time. Yeah and and and an to shut it down a piece of a time like while the currency's going away uh-huh and this is going away. It's it's like you know how is having a terminal disease your body shutting down like a system time until there's nothing left absolutely I know it was Kinda Grim. Must Be Holiday Week. They did screw up a certain amount of like this game and Jan remember. There was a weird thing so when the game lodged watched that was the weekend that was the same week as overwatch Beta right. I remember thinking like who did gearbox at Piss off blizzard that they like it was a very like it seemed thing they very targeted personal. They not know the overwatch Beta was coming shortly. Someone Gabe send a maybe we should fucking think about it was. It was announced two weeks before what was announced the overwatch data. Well then why didn't then. Why didn't someone give say maybe we should fuck in all for a bit because we're GONNA get? Why would you launch in that window? I suppose retail copies going Out and all that jazz like it's too big machine to stop right then if you've got a big science fiction movie you want to release like you would not I this. This used to happen all the time when when we were on a rogue one We were talking about the release date originally Avatar to was supposed to be like around the same and it was like one of those is going to have to move an an avatar moved to big movies like that occupying the same space cannibalize each other. And so you'll notice that there's nothing coming out the same week as has rise of skywalker except Kevin Cats. Because that's just because that's counter programming all the people out there and there are many who don't give a fuck about star wars. They need an option. They know turn it if they want to go to the movies to appeal and they and they and they need something else they need a different flavor. You can either anymore. A different flavor than cats weird that is the most different flavor. Either Watch the weird alien movie or you can watch star wars right. Yeah Yeah exactly the day like I remember I I would I would say is I bet. They really believed in battle born because there was that thing of like Randy Pitchford who God did not should not be out there hawking any sort of game at this point but at the time he was out there say like he was linking alborn porn credits. Or do you remember this. No at some point he was like it was like oh who made a battle worn foreign read it and I think people found out it was somebody from gearbox possibly Randy Pitchford who made a sovereign it for battle porn porn porn. And like I think when the game went free to play he denied up and down. It was ever going to go feed apply. Then it goes to play if you're like he didn't you just say it wasn't going to say it's not free to play. It's a premium demo that you can play for free. Just why why would you go up against over what it's it's a good question but honestly like unless they released a year earlier there was no good time. I mean it went up thinking that it could compete. I guess you've got no. I guess you've got no toys right because it's like you can't release earlier. Yeah and then the long you white the moreover watch builds its audience. So you gotta go to go toe to toe and hope for the best. Yeah but you know. Obviously I mean they'd probably always I guarantee you the day it was revealed in the battle bone offices the over the blizzard was coming out with a game in despise spice. They all went. Oh because they already see the future yes they immediately fast forward to you. They fast forward to an image of you me. Reading this story battle born shutting down I went to a pacs panel like so I usually go to every gearbox packs panel because sometimes they just give stuff away for free. Yeah and I went to the past panel. I WanNa say it was twenty seven teens but like I figured okay. Republican announced borderlands this year maybe give borderlands three away here so a friend and I A wet. We were falling asleep the entire time I because it was all battle born the entire panel was just about worn. I look around at one point. I see nobody is excited. Nobody's interested. Nobody's even watching everyone just on their phones right. They had to have realized by that point. This is not working. We need to get bored as three revealed as soon as possible. Yeah yeah that makes sense. Yeah and then borderland three did come out like it's great. Ed also sold a hell of a lot more to the board has ever GONNA tails. It's sad when a game is. Yeah it is very sad terminal patient like just let it die. Yeah the past would you would you. I just rip off the band aid. No no no. I'm totally onboard. Like I like to think that there's like sixteen people out there that like squad up all the time like they love. I love playing it in. This news is heartbreak on. I really genuinely feel for those people because if you were out there planet obscure game that like there's only a handful of people left playing you are committed you are the hardest of the hardcore and those people are going to be heartbroken like Kevin says borne squad up next week so get get to it. If you want to squat I I feel like I remember how I felt last week when Kevin told me that he was going to blank me on cats and he wasn't GonNa go yeah. It felt like someone pulled. They felt like I reached into my chest. I never said that it wasn't going to be able to happen. Yeah I can see how I would go with it. You were hoping I belie- yeah well. Of course Kevin. You've got still a fair chance. You'll cancel on me. They zero zero zero chance movie zero chance he will fly off to after all after all the shit that I've I've thrown out you over. I can't be like now we're going. Yeah we'd go into cats right. Finally seven remake part two already readies being worked on this from Joe scrambles could make maim rebels five. Eighty seven remake director Tetsuya. Mora has said that square next has already begun. Working on the next part part of the episodic. RPG are excellent remake RPG classic in a square next blog to accompany a batch of new screens after the game now more sought to quote fear to spring the original game in in two distinct chunks would make it a much smaller experience quote opportunities for discussing. Our true intentions are few but with regard the size of the game that many are asking about. There's no reason at all all Tory. Even this mid guard -portant alone. The density in volume are so great they had give directions to lighten them with regards to new characters whom I said during past interviews there would be none. Though there aren't many main characters are numbers ended up growing considerably in the process of creating a rich depiction amid Gar. When you think of mid boss you probably think of motor but in this games new bosses will appear and add to the excitement of the story even more? It's a reiteration of the teams promised that each episode of the seven remake will be a size the full game however over. No more added a juicy extra detail into the post. We've already begun working on the next one as well but I'm confident that playing through the title spader expectations just like the world extends tends beyond mid Gar. I was GONNA say do we know how many pots now this will be now. Okay there so I'm gonNA throw someone on the bus here At three this year we we had. We had the very first meeting for fifty seven remake like we went there and it was a couple of other journalists as well and he wants. It's like the whole kit. Jose giving full like rundown of the game and how it works like what they're doing with the remake. Yeah and at the end. They only allowed for three questions. Jason Schreier ask. Do you know how many parts of the game will be and they said we do not know. That's a very smart journalistic question I asked will every other part take as long to develop as this one. We'll be faster in the future and no it probably won't be any faster which is also like to question. People want to know a third personality. I'm not gonNA say like to. They are whatever they said. The question was do they blow the last question. They blew the last question hard in a way. That was so sycophantic. I'm not sure that I like. I was like losing my mind. Mind as we're leaving there. They said finding that seven was already one of the greatest games of all time would remake. That improves on so much much. Won't that be the greatest of all time Ed. Just while everyone in the room is like what the we have three questions Ford Order Scheme that we know nothing about using it for that to beg for Jolly questions actually more of a comment. Yeah that's the last thing you wanna hear. And like. They didn't know how to after they're like yeah. We're working hard on it. Like what the fuck okay. But it is it. Is it possible at least though to look look at the scope of the original final fantasy seven look at how much they did in the first part and say okay so that's about a third. Maybe it's three. Maybe it makes sense. It would be roughly three parts parts. Can you at least make a guess I would probably guess upwards of like five or six really final fantasy seven. was that big. So if if every size of proportional not at this one which are not necessarily because mcgarity fairly meaty thing that was not super expanded upon the original game if that's true then we're looking at let's Z.. COM TO. Let's say if you wanted to go from there to Earth death than that would be quite a lot. Spoilers despoilers it to you eric. The thing that happens then Holy Shit. We want a bleep that out for a youtube. And how do you feel about that like a game being remade. That what do you think spoiler warnings. I've never played it really. Yeah I'm just going to be a whole generation of kids. Come up with a plate at joking I was totally joking. I feel like that's one of the most. I've never played this game and I know about that honestly. I probably shouldn't have. I should've taken being crazy. Look at legit. So have you never like ever heard that in the history of whatever that like since this spoiler I have heard. Okay because it's it's one of the things kind in the air supply but I've heard in the context of icon. Fuck you believe someone spoiled that. That's how I've heard but I heard it in like the list of most looks like craziest things to happen. Yeah most most stunning surprising moments in games reason why you would want to be very careful about it in case someone experienced so so much. It's one of those things like I. You know it's like it's like Darth vader being by this point right okay but like if they remained empires expect. Would you would be cooled. Say the thing that everyone knows already. If an entire generation had kids had grown up not knowing it then yeah I I mean it's the same thing like if you show your kid empire the funny thing like might like so my daughter's not seen empire strikes back but she knows who don fighters because it's just something the is out there because it's such. It's like the most famous spoiler alert in pop culture history. Probably right when you say it would be the biggest one right. And so it's just so the Trent so it becomes impossible to contain. I think in the gaming world this is the same thing right but I I would still feel an obligation to not just blurted lewd out all right. Well we've set a new you know what though I think the reasons for why we should do that. Yeah those are the reasons I I think they should change it like to have it be. I would be controversial as well. It would be extremely controversial. But I'd be into it like a remake the changes some things right the biggest thing or give you an option Like mass effect it up like let's make it so you could just like I mean my my get my guess is given that. This is a very liberal remake. My guess is that that event will still happen but you might see like a new take on. It won't be the exact same cinematic obviously one if they go through that scene without anything happening and then it just happens at a random point later random but like a more surprising point later in the game it was like you go through okay. Yeah it's it's cool the agency. I think it's a very interesting question. If you're the develop I imagine you're sitting round said. Hey Look we have this event that happens in the game. It's like the most famous holy shit moment in video games or at least one of them. How do we deal with this remake? Should we do it. The exact same way. Do we want to change it in some way like did we would come up with. A new approach is a great. It's an interesting question for the developers. Just ask them jobs and I will be interesting. Yeah I would love for them to like get something my my theory not theory. My hope is that this remake is a canonical sequel and everyone like is doing the exact same thing except slowly start to realize that they've done this before and then as they go on through the game he's like wait a second. This is a bit different from the last time. I want that weird thing right. I think what they're they're not going to do that. Excuse to remake but but I would love that stupid like kind of messing with you matrix idea right right. I really hope I can get into this game. Have you played to. I've never I've never I've been into a final fantasy. I'm I'm the same as you. I never played it. I never played final fantasy seven but for that reason. I'm all in on this remake. Want experience it. I was going to be Super I. I probably would mean Justin going back and playing. What was the original one on playstation? Two places I wouldn't want to go back and just played the playstation one game. But this all new like bells and whistles version. Don't play that. I came at three thinking. Seven remake was the game of the show like bar none bright even with cyberpunk when we got left. The demos like okay. This is exactly what I wanted. And they're doing it to an extent that was far beyond. I helped the same sound. It's probably GONNA upset purest. Oh absolutely already does because it's not a turn based game anymore right. It's an action game right which is not what I'm excited about that. I'd I WANNA reasons why well because I don't like the the turn based combat Bosnia to death. I love turn based but I could go for a change occasionally so if you if five years Priscilla say five parts and it takes a few years to meet each other we signed. It's GonNa take a lot more than a decade to fully remake this game. How can again be a cop parts? That'd madness if they if they expanded on everything the way they're expanding on this portion then five parts is Jenner are not even generous. It's just like conservative bright because it could just be an ongoing thing now just remake may merging as a generation long process projects. Thanks to remake vinyl fan this level they phrase it as that that it's a parallel series now to final fantasy like the main series. That is amazing. I kinda dig it. Yeah Yeah I mean it raised just treat it like you know like the Star Wars Saga or whatever which took decades to tell you. Raise a bunch of questions of what you do in the next game comes out like it's GonNa come out for places and five most likely so. Are you going to carry over your progress. Like what is your cloud. Look like at the end of that game versus beginning of next one. Oh I'm excited about it. Yeah yeah I I am. I'm so curious to get the answers for these things Airbus. Yeah but Gary. Those answers are so far away if I wanted to know what's coming. The Momma dropped shops today. Where would I look? I'm going the wrong way on my pages here. The official list of upcoming software across each and every platform as is listed by the kind of Funny Games daily show hosts each and every week day but a pop up or pop out today gas guzzlers. Extreme extreme is out on. ps four pine out on switch. Greece is out on. ps four good game grease that he's really cool game I'm they said there's going to be a new exclusive content for the. PS Four. But I haven't looked into whether I'm glad that it's coming to other platforms. I hope eventually it will come to the Xbox as well we have great game really pretty very beautiful reminds me if journey and experiences like that in a way that was limbo. That was my comparison point. When I I played I was like? Oh this is to de- journey a lot of ways. Yeah yeah it's really gorgeous. Monster Jams steelers titans that on switch chameleon is out on switch end of realms. PC is out on our end around as on a PC toy robot is out on PC and MAC attack and death park is out on pc which which of the Greece's side because we know what it is. Which of those would Would appeal to you just on title and title alone. I would go with gas guzzlers extreme either end of realms or death park what an death pollock is okay already pulled up gas guzzlers extreme. Yes he's he's on on the on the Mad Max Kinda game looks like it. Sort of racing guested metal Listen metal mix of Mad Max. No no no no hitter Armageddon. Yeah Com again. I Love Combat Games. Actually doesn't look that you know what I said one of the things that you people almost growing when you say you know what the remake I want more than anything else Interstate seventy six. Oh Hell Yeah. Who doesn't want that? That was the perfect era of like Louis Arch style game so good shit. There's a real narratives. They should totally do it. Yeah Death Talk Yeah. Let's look at death for extremely there might be something to it though. I love those kind of games. Can you solve all the puzzles and escape from from the scary clown in this Oregon. Okay I like so. It's like a band an amusement park. Now hold hold on Kevin. Can you are games not much for you. You're like oh I know mobile report though because it does not this does not look great. Oh there's a scary clown. Obviously I feel like that game when he better without the scary clown if it's it's just a creepy ass amusement park. I think that's fine. Oh it isn't it. It's already on steam all right so it's already okay. Yes it's already on android and now it's coming the IRS. Okay all right. Let's check out. That gaskell is there any reviews on that yet gas guzzlers. Extreme is it good review check. You could be the first review Gary One second. I'm looking at. How much is it? Cheap is an Indie game is full price. What is it? I need information uh-huh on xbox one as well sixty two percent looks like on sixty two percent medicated. I nine hundred ten on steam. So the the people of it. Eight point zero user school eight point we use just goes better than the than the critic school because one person gave it a ten twisted tomato. New Jenny says the game was a black online multiplayer. That's weird maybe the best arcade racing game since epic twenty small time released but it's full of pure unadulterated racing seeing heart. And here's a guy. His review scores say twisted metal. New Gen this game is a blast may be the best death racing arcade game since the epoch twisted metal it could be an inner capping. He's just conveying his excitement. Extremely excited yes. This could this could be The need warm looking for their refusal 2017 nineteen what is an old game user from two thousand sixteen. What's going on? Is this an old game. That's just now coming into ps four. It's been out for ages and I didn't know about it. Yeah where have you been all right. Well I guess it's just it's just not as full okay. Yeah maybe it's on game pass or something. Yeah that's not have online multiplayer isn't the whole point Neko's hard long short it. There are no new dates because it's the Thanksgiving week but I saw a thing today saying Selena season three is next week. I don't think that's is true. I think Netflix is going to mistake. But if it is the great. Oh the animation. Yeah okay season was fucking fan. Is it good yes. I've never worn. LSU's great but I'm not I'm not watched it. Yeah I Susan One's a little. It's slow season was even slower but then has like the last two episodes are probably the best thing. If you're into video games into the Games do they have any Easter egg things. Okay so like Simon Simon's quest the place during the final battles. Okay very cool rock arrangement. That's cool deals of the day. They're still that but wait for black Friday sales. Don't buy anything today. What are you doing seriously? All right ty reader mail you can run into Patriot. Accounts counts is kind of funny games where you can also get the show ad free. Well that doesn't matter today because we don't actually have ads surge going to stoke straight into questions billy. The door writes in. We all know. Turn them in my twitter chat. Sometimes billy chat to oriented and we all know Turkey is a star of the show. But let's settle it best Thanksgiving side thanks. Hope Y'all have a wonderful holiday. POTATOES PRO stuffing. Yeah I think for me it would be a hard between those. I think bread and macaroni and cheese also really good. Yeah sure what's what's what's the one that you always leave Kevin. What's the money? Don't want on your plate. My mom makes like this weird beet salad that I'm just like oh I like beet salad you didn't like giving them Holy Shit can take a look at me. Mom Top of the World Disin- you from my multimedia the platform empire. What don't you want on your thanksgiving? You don't like cranberry sauce. I've never understood it. I've never understood timers get it. It's told you all in all you do use your plight. You gotTa have at least Gigolo the can keep you don't want to do you eat it with you on the Turkey. The Turkey with is disgusting on Everything Foley Given the option I would rather have Turkey with gravy. What's wrong with gravy? We know that Hussain like if you do both you could do both avery and sweet sometime. I assume you mean different pieces. Donald Saint Pete take slap some fucking ice cream on Turkey. And not just to have all. Why would you WANNA do that? Taking the series annoys me. Because you you go to like sandwich places on this week. They usually have good light Thanksgiving theme sandwiches like Turkey and stuffing sandwiches. Great but then they add the cranberry sauce. The one that cranberry tartness. No I don't like it sweet and savory person like like I've never I will occasionally DIPA fry into a milkshake but for the most part I don't like boxing. The two I'm in the same boat but I feel like the cranberry sauce is so sweet. And it's got that tartness organise something Jams Kevin. I'M NOT GONNA go for a game against the Green Bean casserole that's a that's a Thanksgiving perennial. I like I I like. You've asked the French fried onions on tall. Yes I love it. Yeah Yeah Yeah you gotTa have that. Castro is like so traditional people. Take it for granted but like really fucking good casserole. We'd the mushroom sauce and stuff. That's good stuff. Yeah Yeah I'm I have to take a side dish to my brothers for Thanksgiving so I've been experimenting with different stuff. Yeah I'm probably really likes like like a What's called sweet potato? Desert Kinda thing right right well like there's a part of me that's like what if I just fucked with like it remained casserole. What if I just put that like did the traditional thing? What made a really good? I like to have a great because I liked to have some at least look slightly green on my play otherwise entirely brown Turkey. Stuffing mashed is potatoes the gravy. You'd have a little bit of green salad as well. You have a salad. Why would you want to fill up on that shit though I don't want to? It's just the same thing where it's like. I gotta hit hit some green before. I hit all the Brown. And then what what what do you want for you. Deserve Dessert I mean that's that's that really depends on where I am because I've never been a Pumpkin pie person which I don't like Pumpkin Pie with some whip cream on I I I love cheesecake not necessarily like a Thanksgiving thing but cheesecake is so fucking specifically the cheesecake from Cosco. OSCO like they've nailed it. Having with that also. Costco has great stuff. Paula macy Gray cheesecake from this place. Nearby the one that was like someday someday not necessarily right now. I've had it before it's whipped. It's so it's like really like yeah. Let's say you see. They can't cut with a knife because they had to cut with like fishing line. Oh really 'cause like a knife. Fight breaks the structural integrity of it. I guess I had somebody got it for me for my birthday when because I really like cheesecake and I was like this is fun. The on All Italian so I gotTa tell you mine. Because I was flagged Mo- most of the time is Pumpkin Pie which I just can't get with like I'm really bummed out so oh usually if I if I go to someone else's Thanksgiving like he's supposed to bring I usually bring the desert. I'm GONNA just in case like no one else. GotTa have it. GotTa Have Kevin. I gotTa have the pecan Pie. I was GONNA say and this is one of those years where I'm going my inlaws for Thanksgiving. And they do the pecan Pie. Oh Yeah Square's Oh. Aw that's the sheriff. Yeah good stuff. The thing is the thing about pecan. Pie is is the layer becomes on the top. I get that but all the point actually elise is just straight up fucking sugar. That's all it is and I fucking love it. They should just call it. Sugar Pie with becomes on top. I'm what I'm doing for like the sweet potato thing isn't gonNA drizzle Pecans over the top of it and then big that in awe sounds fantastic marshmallow cream. The GO-TO ICE. I haven't had any breakfast flakes. Yeah go over there right after this the right over in the Tesla sure all right. We'll go over there all right. We'll go over there. My boss concert picks me up from the Arizona as well. Go to drop me off on. Maybe we'll see how it goes. Ah Yes like my PJ sweats. That's true that's yeah. I had to run out here in this morning. I expect to like do normal things in these. Let's see let's let's let's see how it goes all right all right. Let's head up the garage where people have told us what we got wrong throughout the show. Okay what do we get wrong. Anything wrong I think we've been on point. Osha disagrees ban them. That's right get the ban hammer out. I am one of the hardcore battle born more than forty people that play every weekend. Oh Wow what hear from this guy what does he say he said he put it over to two thousand. It's an hour God. Has that person feel right now. What emotions must be going through my belt? Netflix has confirmed armed from Freddie and space has said three is not coming December. I was wrong okay. Movie Entertainment News on screen cast. I'm not having this week though. Yeah otherwise everyone is saying your daughter's Rakyat all wait all right. This is the last show. The last yeah was kind of Funny Games daily for the rest of the week. Can we want to be on this tomorrow. Right Great and timber on tomorrow. Oh the not on that on Monday says tomorrow's host. Yeah when it says a Monday. They don't do a show before Thanksgiving well. This is the last one. This is giving Shaq no more shows after this either period so this is the last show period. Yeah just last week closing down kind of funny for the for the Thanksgiving holiday. I'm installing an update on this computer. Everything's done you're going to come back to that. Computer is not gonNA work. That's why I wait for the last show. I feel like this is a good opportunity for us to go around the table and say what. We're thankful for Okay Kevi. Why don't you start us off? You want minister. Yeah Yeah I mean we can come back if you need need more time to think about it. I'm thankful for my family and friends. That have been so tremendously supportive throughout the year and they have been for my entire life. It's No let's wait. Yeah very nice to me. I mean Kevin's Kinda Eh. Done the obvious ones yeah. I'm thankful for my my lovely Family I got my dad visiting from Europe right now the whole full house go. Oh God you know my late. Three generations of it is in the house right now and that's kind of cool like I'm definitely thankful for my fam particularly thankful for my wife who was doug me out the so many times in my life and preventing me for making catastrophic mistakes and generally being making myself many many times She is is the absolute number one most important person in my life and I. There's a good chance I I'm not even joking because I used to be an alcoholic. Lie is a good charts. If I had not met my wife I'd be dead now. I think she saved me in so many different ways. I don't even know how to how to tell your thank you for it. But they have. That's that's what I'm thankful for Imran. I've actually kind of funny like I saved your ass saved my ass. I went through. What was one of the worst things things I've ever gone through in my life? Yeah and Greg Miller. was there like day one trying to make sure I was OK in Him Kevin and they go for you. Think for Joey. He Co Greg Andy. Even nick and like obviously as well Gary like it's it has been a hell of a three months and kind of funny as organization. TATION Kinda funny. He's a community has been there for me. Yeah in a way that honestly I probably don't deserve but I'm incredibly thankful for our for my girlfriend. Rebecca Valentine she is she is the very much a important part of my life. We doesn't she live all the way and Kansas. How do you make that work? It's hard but ah Kansas or Kansas City Kansas Kansas City Missouri. Yeah how do you make that work. It's difficult I often. Do you get to see each other. Not as often as I would like. It's usually like once a month right. Yeah right and like the next day or she does that we trade off theoretically okay and like in January. We're going to go to the near concert together Chicago. Oh so okay. It's stuff like that but yeah it's tough making that way when you meet someone you think you that compatible with you kind of make you gotta make what Yeah Rebecca. She's Rebecca Big Fan of you as well. That's sweet it's come up more than once I'd like to also ad that I'm thankful for Good Star Wars game like I love so much. Are you going to be thinking about it. You got the first six or seven hours. Not Great No. Yeah but after that once in once a current let's really well okay all right all right been a long time. If you're in the CIA encourage take a moment to post about what you're thankful for as well. Yeah why not. Let's have a thankful thankful chat. Yeah just like we're gonna read substantive the bed so please just keep telling us what you think before all right. This has been kind of funny Games daily for Friday November Twenty six twenty nineteen. All of. y'All have a happy Thanksgiving with your friends and family and whoever else you want to spend your time with Gary and then we'll be back and it's the runner run into Christmas. I'll give me a certain telling you Kevin this the official line on this as soon as you see Santer at the end of the macy's Thanksgiving Day parade is shows up. That's it it's on. Christmas is officially on ready. I'm excited I'm greg as said that there will be some sort of Christmas outfit and whether I have to wear it or not is going to be open question so I'm excited to see what data all right okay. I'm excited about that too. All Right Laborat- Gary thank you so much for coming. See you next time and see later.

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Effectively Wild Episode 1510: Season Preview Series: Red Sox and Giants

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

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Effectively Wild Episode 1510: Season Preview Series: Red Sox and Giants

"Hello and welcome. Deb So fifteen ten of effectively wild fan graphs baseball podcast brought to you by our Patriot. Supporters I'm MEG rally a fan graphs. I am joined once again by Sam Miller of ESPN. Sam How are you? I'm good? How are you good sightseeing shocked you so much this week? Yeah yeah this is our fourth our fourth call. Yeah we've several. We've done several calls a little later in the episode. We will preview the Red Sox with Alex Spirit of the Boston Globe and the giants with our Pell Grant Brisby of the athletic such an episode. An brisby no embarrassment of riches really. I mean we have had all of our guests have been really really rate during these preview bads suspicious. You know. Sometimes we're talking to people we don't know and I enjoy that because I get to know them and get your New Perspective on baseball. Sometimes we get to talk to our pals and that's fun Console Response Sharks your pals so what an embarrassment of riches in this episode two main stages in my hand. We recorded our segment with Alex on the red SOx little earlier this week so I guess we should give a brief Chris sale update so that I don't have to record a little bit on this. Which is that. It does not seem as if he needs. Tommy John Surgery most immediately but that this elbow flexor strain problem is significant and he sounds very upset about it he told reporters that it sucks and Tommy. John is not sort of out the window. Sounds like they'll no more than a couple of weeks but it's not great. What's the what's the good way that this could go? I guess the good way is that he could rehab it and come back later in the season and pitch and hopefully do it well. But in anticipation of a long delay and needing rotation Depth Threat Sox signed Colin mccue. Who only recently started throwing himself after having an injury riddled twenty nineteen so that helps them get better but he ends up. Having to throw a lot of star ratings seemed bad so well. We didn't know this information when we talked to Alex but he was Kinda clearly. I think Alex was was fairly pessimistic at that. And so that probably I don't know I think that's a little bit baked into expectations for the Red Sox. Right now is that well. I guess I guess this is sort of superstition but I think baked into expectations for the red sox. Right now is that things aren't going to go. Well like if there is something that could go one way or the other this year. I think there's a sense that it's not going to go the good way. Yeah I think that that is right. So that'll come. That'll come up later. Yeah we'll talk about that later. I WanNa say one quick thing. Before we go to that amend we will get right into these These previews which is that people going on vacation is is funny and I enjoy it when bengals on vacation This is GonNa end up being nice for everyone. I enjoy it because I appreciate in his absence. How much I enjoyed talking it so I didn't get to actually my buddy ben this week and I wish I could. I revel in the opportunity to talk to you because I don't get shocked you as much as I would like to. And it makes me appreciate all the good work that then and dylan due to edit these episodes because when Ben has gone I sub for him and not always as early as you might hope or expect and it makes me realize the production that goes into getting effectively wild out three times a week. So I decided express some appreciation for for all of you because Ben's absences had that sort of mine for me. Some of their you. Huzzah them. So having said Nice things we will now take a quick break and on the other end of this we will have our interview with Alex. Bear the Boston Globe out the Boston. Red Sox one and Jane Defense and now. We will discuss the Boston Red Sox and to do that. We are joined by the Boston Globe. Alex Kerr Alex how are you? I am just great. I am back in my home away from away from big little which is yeah are you. We're while we're doing well. I am also in my home so you know we have that in common. I think before we talk about the state of the Roster and the outlook for twenty twenty. I wanted to ask you about the atmosphere. In Camp. That you have just gotten back from obviously. This team has been in a state of change for the last several months of public state of change. They fired their general manager. They had to fire their manager. They traded away. Mookie Betts and David price than they almost didn't than they actually did and against all of that the leaks punishment for the red sox. Signs ceiling is still looming. So I'm curious. What's the atmosphere like in camp? And how have the players are dealt with what I imagine is pretty distracting? Start to the season will on top of that on top of all. That changed the already noted I. There is also the kind of strangeness of Red Sox having the largest big recanted. I can remember that happened usually. They've been Rosalie low. In the mid fifties to upper fifties in terms of number players camps. In this year as they pursue attended different motive roster building remnants more opportunistic and us. You know those final spots of the forty niners auto consequential there are sixty eight people in camps and they had to bring in temporary lockers and John and have a much more crowded workplace environment so in terms of other handling it now that they are into baseball activities like on a daily basis. It's team it's where my supposed to go. And when Logan Zero Games there that that's all kind of that's that's on lugging athlete cruise control. But at the same time. It is Julia different place to be showing up right. There's not a lot of music on daily basis. It's not allowed in the clubhouse as you're accustomed to here we were familiar with each other on different sides of a room. They're still ethic. Pretty obviously a feeling out process among the players for each other and trying to make sense of the fact that there is a pretty considerable amounts of change supported in a small period of time. And they don't really know very well our hearts of that trade no of whether time blue who's made a real point of trying to get to know a lot of the players that nonetheless there's only so much you can do when your life is consumed per month by you know training rookie. Bats in David. Brussels well is higher than the manager which didn't expect her. I think that there's I I would say that. The best way to describe the group as I've experienced it time that I have been down in two separate. Stints is uninformed is kind of an employee state that does that awaits definition. And not sure exactly how could that definitions has? The definition is changing is essentially an ongoing fashion while they find out things. Like oh Chris Sale. Who said that he felt awesome is certainly navy not going to maybe going to be missing a substantial to a substantial chunk of plenty plenty in perhaps Ali so these are strange days as I mentioned. They're still a very big piece of this off season puzzle that has yet to completely materialized. We have an update on when the ORG is GonNa learn what their punishment is for science dealing not really the game keeps getting kicked down the road. I think that we ever insisted that it was going to be done before. Officials startled spin training and then rob Manfred seven recording to be. John will ever for the February. That's no longer the case. Then you know the kind of maybe this week in so I guess that was points until until it's until it's released I am going converted. They're they're continuing to researching the Union thought a couple of weeks ago the dumber research of it unnatural. That's the case anymore. Although I will say this that part of things that doesn't affect the twenty twenty except for a mess Ron Reinecke gets named Going to happen than it would really affect. What's happening in the preparations for twenty twenty? It's more of an ex post facto redefinition of what agent didn't do with consequences for twenty twenty one Niaz. I WANNA ask a slightly more specific version of maze. Question which is are the red SOx players mad that Mukhi bets got traded because the one of the things that players ask their front offices is to get more players that they've heard of and that they think are good in that they think are going to win and so I would think just like from a messaging standpoint to the clubhouse. This is the sort of thing that you sometimes think could really send a message that players would be angry at being sent not just disappointed. The team's going to be a little bit worse but actually angry that this is the message that was sent to them. Is that simmering? I don't think so I. I haven't got mud fronts. I have gotten the sense that you know. They're they're wondering what life are. GonNa to be like Zander. Bogart's kind of unprompted. The everyday referred to the pressure of of the team Mayfield to address. His void but very candidly like they are the team. The members of the team who've been around are mostly really well paid heavily at at a certain point recognized that there was going to be some kind of a financial reckoning that occurred. I think there had been a lot of talk in mccomb house at Uruguay about contract status in. Who's getting wider on Major League? Baseball and I think that there was. There was no understanding that came out of that that there was a pretty decent chance that mookie. I not resign in that. Were they. Were going to be questions about. His long-term future in Boston. Similar players said can read before they broke up at the end of turning eighteen. They thought that murky web traded. Because of what might be and how many other ones they had were. You know sale at Bogart's joining me. Twenty plus million dollars a year club. I've already featured JD. Martinez David Price and almost native is making some team. Only about yourself. I think that there is. There is a bit of a business savvy about the idea that he's gone. I think that there was a love expectation of the possibility that mookie might eventually get down so I don't think that there I I don't think there was like tremendous Shah Actual this possibility talking about even in red sox going back for a while so I mean if a team that were you know like projected to be a fourth place team or to win. Seventy two games traded their superstar year before free agency. We would be. We'd be pretty used to that. And part of what makes this such kind of confounding trade to to analyze or to have emotions about well. Actually I don't feel confounded about. I think I would rather they not traded him. But it's confounding in a way because it's not quite clear. What the Red Sox are so? I'm looking at the red sox starting rotation right now and they have their number. Two Starter is Nathan Volley. Who was a disastrous? Last year was not healthy but also very very very bad. And then you have which is true. I mean I mean I'm I'm not saying he can't be good again. I like him. But extreme. But not metric characterization twenty season and that you've got Martine Perez who had six point two seven era in the second half and six point two two era the year before. And you know is not really anybody's idea of a sure thing healthwise either. And then you have Ryan Weber. Who is a twenty nine year old former twenty second round pick with one hundred and twelve career innings in eighty seven career? Era Plus and. He's the number four starter and then as it is right now if. We're assuming that Chris Sale is unavailable. There is not a listed fifth starter and that seems like you read that and you think well that's a that is a rebuilding team team that needs to figure some things out before they're going to be competitive again. And then you sorta go over to the websites and whether you know depending on which site you're at they project to be something like an eighty five to eighty nine win team with something like thirty five to fifty percent playoff odds which puts them in a camp with like basically the braves and the as and the cardinals and the cubs and Cleveland that that sort of zone of teams. And so if you buy those odds than it feels really weird. You know to trade. You're you're superstar your best player and that's without even getting into the fact that most of this core was there when they one hundred and eight games two years ago so I guess the question is and this is kind of jumping Edna podcasts. A little bit. Because we're GonNa make you tell US exactly how wins they're gonNA they're gonNA have this year? Do you buy like does anything about those projections. Seem fishy to you or does that seem kind of about right. Is this truly a competitive team with a still even without mookie betts a pretty good shot a shot at the playoffs and enough strengths? Everywhere else to overwhelm that rotation weakness. Well so I think the most of the projections were formed before Chris. Sale Chris. Sale suffered his His physical his physical setback day. Where he threw batting practice. A Little Chris after two hundred days of not facing hitters. He got onto the mound was really excited and looks pretty good throwing to a couple of you know to a right handed hitter and left handed hitter in a live batting. Practice session never was really encouraged in the next day. He felt soreness in his elbow. So powered alter calculus right because most projections factor in the idea of Chris sale is a relatively healthy at jer. In the fact that you're probably already now looking at you know the best case scenario. I would be awfully surprised if we saw Chris sale before. May Guy that alters the calculus especially given the drop off your. You're like it's not like there's a placement level pitcher to call up in order to fill in that spot you're looking at probably at below replacement level pitcher and maybe a drastically below replacement level pitcher in terms of in terms of where that gap goes in. So I think that there's there's a significant downward projection even for missing a month a month and a half two months Chris Sale. But if you look at them on paper right if you look at if you just look at the lineup. You've without rookie bets. You can see awfully. We'll see how compelling team in terms of what the lineup to do in terms of a potential dynamism. Andrew Benintendi had ten about from a year last year like he acknowledged the Atacama Year if ideal kind of inter benintendi baseball shape. And so okay back. Not In the best shape of his life but The shape of his life that led to his best year in two thousand. Eighteen is still have zehnder bogart's and Rafael Devers. Jd Martinez three elite enters in the middle of the lineup. And that there's there's a lot of offensive talents in group so from that standpoint. You know that's impressive. Their bullpen. Which was off maligned. Last year is actually it features a ton of high strikeout guys who probably watched too many people that's making your home runs more consequential than they should have otherwise been but the stuff is really really good and they were. Actually I think pretty interesting group in the second half of the season. They just didn't have as many games where they were trying to preserve leads late so I I think that you know I've seen weird things happen. Balsam right like I've I've covered red sox for. This is my Nike season in particularly in the last decade. I saw I saw the red sox wildly over perform under perform their projections into. It's kind of. It was an idea that bencher talked about back when. I was doing my book. Shameless self-promotion about the kind of feedback labs can exist in Boston where the intensity of the environment can really kind of caused the team to spiral in one direction or number base sometimes sometimes on early season factors so you throw in like a youth. Rona weirdness such as Bobby Valentine and it seemed it looks on paper like that eighty five win projection becomes a out seventy win teen and you throw in. You know something more positive or you throw in something unifying let such a great clubhouse culture in response to a devastating citywide occurrence tragedy in the farm marathon bombing twenty thirteen. And you have team wildly over performs its projections again. Cultural Change in two thousand eighteen along with edition of JD. Martinez leaves seem the PRI- projects to be in the low nineties in its run todos in two one hundred eight wind territory. So I'd seen enough to think okay to know that I shouldn't dismiss the possibility of contention but it seems like there are you know. But it's it's it's a diminished rebuff. Offensively can offset some some of that demonstration by virtue of bounce backs from guys wonder performed last year and the pitching staff was already diminished. Thanks to the absence of price for four sales injuries. Let's stick on the pitching staff for a second because one of their. It seems strange to say this routine that Delta Way the two thousand Eighteen v people apart from a couple of smaller signings. They were pretty quiet when it came to free agents this off season. One of their edition was Martine Perez. Who had a really strange season for the twins? He was really good in the early going. just led by that devastating cutter and then faded pretty dramatically as the season wore on. I think the duration of his deal with the Red Sox probably answers part of my question here but what are their expectations for him. Going into the season I view him as being someone with upside beyond what to do in twenty nineteen that you referenced which was new pitch for villages in grades is a really really good niche if you look at the stats like you know. Extra MINUS WOVE OFF. He had one of the biggest disparities nulla baseball Versus the outcomes that content generated they. They think that there are some small tweet sue pitches. I think their hope is that he'd be kind of a decent innings. Eater he will. He was that he was reliable. Rotation LAST YEAR UNHEALTHY. Who was able to give them somewhere in the vicinity of League average performance. I think they'd be thrilled by that that I think that you know. They're they're not looking at him to the front of the rotation guy with huge upside. They think is better than that. Six Plus your a of last year even though you're pretty closely the six plus. Yara the previous year because the euro cloudy So I they're they're believers that he's he's better back guy. How much butter Wilson? Who has a quick one? You don't have to go into detail about them. But I went through the two three and four starters and let's presume that sale isn't available and let's also presume that as happens with every team's pitching staff you end up needing a sixth seventh and eighth if Ryan Weber is the fourth starter are the fifth sixth and seventh options right now as they need to get more depth. Yeah this is one of the point of this is. This is a Bosnian exercise at a day to day. Basis it's You know where the anonymous the relatively unknown people enter into the Middle Laden of Of Spring Training Games in when they start getting multi innings. You like Oh for Perth rotation for a bucket offering. The caveat is going to be an awful lot of consideration demons using an opener role in in some in some form or another based on the personnel. They have not a guarantee but certainly a lot of consideration beyond that so Ryan Weber is talked about quite a bit as one of the potential starting pitching candidates. You need a few starts for them last year. Basically need one really start for them in a couple of starts warranted for them. Ya Bad Chris Maza is they. Cram off waivers from the mets. They think they think has a pitch makes a little more upside than general past. He's a slider cutter guy who also kind of shows. The change doesn't draw much and then there were having incorporated foresee Mertz change levels fun stuff like that but again this is like a journeyman guy was lowest in India Bali couple of years ago so not exactly the type of guy he necessarily competing heating for one of the fives rotations. Lots Matt Holland. Other guy bounced around a little bit was gaining some consideration for back of the rotation spots. They have one homegrown starter. Who's probably never actually two guys Were more familiar making some consideration. Ten our health is funny. Seventeen first round pick. Who has a really good to sumer really good cider especially against right in hitters has always been consistent? It's lefties if he can locate to do a better job. Canadian side or against lefties them can be pretty good. Against ice both sides plight he also has a usable if inconsistent change out central time trial. So He's a guy who could get a bit of a look in a year where the red sox expect more of their homegrown guys are gonNA get loves than in past years and that Brian. Jobson someone who's GonNa Stop Starter across? Who May get some further? Who may get some further? Love Spring training progresses. If he's healthy which he has always been always been and if his stuff is from a brother Julius so you went into detail about them thank you. I didn't. I'm sorry I did both our Damn I was supposed to be. That's not my forte. I'm sorry everyone wanted to hear about Kris Mazda and a lot of weight. He is the he's related to. Joe Dimaggio Wow. Wow really yeah. Their Way His his grandmother. Will I think that they have? I think he might have lineage by his. His grandmother was first cousins. Joe Maggio and Dom Dimaggio did you have you. Have you heard that Martha Stewart Babysat Yogi. Berra's kids oh no. I hadn't expected I read that one and I've been spent on the tip of my tongue about a thousand times over the last like seven months and I finally just set it so that I will never have to think. When's the right time to say this? Well usual target just for you. Josh Burns the Assistant of the of the I don't know what his titles that. Jospin's of the dodgers from office was babysat by Julia. Louis Dreyfuss algae to grow up Martha Stewart also wrote the foreword to Snoop Dogg's cookbook on effectively wild. Wow Wow I really in for cookbook. I was GONNA say just like step one. Open the bag of doritos. You're done all right when I was a kid. Speaking of being babysat kind of when I was a kid. It seemed like there were a lot of storylines about how somebody was replacing. Somebody else and there was a lot of pressure on them to replace like somebody else you know like the Clark would leave. And then whoever was playing first base for the giants had like a ton of pressure on him to replace Will Clark or there was a trade. And there'd be a ton of pressure to replace whoever they'd been traded for and I don't really feel like we hear that that much maybe it's because players move around a lot more or maybe we're smarter with our narratives or what but it really does feel like if you're gonNA have a perfect case for that. It might be Alex for Dugo who is now having to replace. Mookie Betts in the same position and also who is You know was was traded for him in this trade that I think a lot of people are probably going to remember being upset about for a long time so I don't know if the existence of jeeter downs as well in that trade dilutes. How much of the weight of it of justifying it is on Alex Rodrigo. I don't know if those sorts of having to replace a player pressure's still exist in the modern age or not. But does it feel to you like there is a lot of pressure on Alex Rodrigo? I asked particularly because of the Boston feedback loop that you mentioned about seven minutes ago. Is there a potential that there is a serious Boston feedback loop on Alex? Verdoux go if he is you know hitting to forty in a mid June or something initially no. I don't I don't get that sense in part because he has been visible using singing about what who has as stress fracture in his lower vacuum for last season and from which is still recovering. He's pretty close to start in this one but he hasn't been he's no he's not he's not going to be in Games. Lma couple of days so by virtue like he's there there's not a microscope eye- were when you can put someone on the slide. They can't be under my concern so for now. There's there is not. I think that certain will be considerable. Amount of scrutiny to his performance actually is on the field right now. I I would say that most of the notion. No one is selling Alex. Verdoux go as eager worm Which helps I do think that he will become a little bit more nuanced in how to approach a hundred percent. What about the pressure on Kevin Pillar who is signed job Or at least to the four th outfielder to hopeless onto is viewed when I win for do not available but from what. I've I've been told by people who know him from his time with the dodgers like Virginia. Actually a person who really relishes. Onfield challenges. Who who really rights attention writes it. Spotlight scrutiny. Ends tends to perform better fat so I. I think that he's like he's been asked about in that question them out like you know. Will there be any pressure to remove easy faces pressure like going to a new market just traded a lot of not just traded lot. No in order to Norbert Fire Hymns World Series. So from everything that I've that I've heard about for Daego. People think that he's actually a pretty good on field match to the scrutiny of Boston yields software High expectations has kind of portering. Parking to gain Tends to big may be helpful in terms of dealing will those kinds of expeditions if he performs poorly and of course you know go about us to be elevated somewhat by the twenty five of them up an injury the entire organization. Robson softens notches on Hank. One place where we have seen a little bit of scrutiny. Going INTO THAT TRADE. I mean obviously was heavily scrutinized trade but specific to Redo go. He is a guy who has had throughout his career. Some makeup off field concerns and I'm curious how the team I know that it has been addressed by the organization publicly but I'm curious how they're talking about those issues and if he were a little bit surprised maybe see him as the centerpiece of this deal given those concerns. What he came up I definitely was more a was it was. It was no way surprising because I I've got a lot of risks to be assuming given you know given that he has been given that he's been mentioned in connection with an alleged alleged sexual assaults in one who is in the models of not having been a participant sort but having been When he was in the minor when he was in the minor leagues now questions about whether or not he did whether Matt he earning this. This is a massive allegation right. He denies it. He denies that he was aware of anything. Did Anything Michael Sexual Assault was for? Mommy denies that he was aware of red. Sub Sperm. You termed was a physical assault was going on as well says that it was mindful enough to handle that he's questions dodgers to the admissions office to make sure about love's Worm June something. That would test them in in our horrendous light in all stages V. Very wrong headed. Bob May like unacceptable. So they're the word that lag time bloom use of did they did not find the based on their diligence. They didn't find disqualifying background in. They had taken these questions seriously by. Yes there's that question right which is run by the ones in the public eye and again like I. Virginia says that like you know as as as well biking was never applicable report in having any criminal activity. That doesn't mean that it. It's great judgmental. Veneer anything bad. That happened but he says he was unaware of anything. So it's it's hard like in Orlando so anyway by Virtue. Pastorin have real questions about his. You're right there are other meet up questions related surveys Buckingham Move Ins by about effort level about whether mountains doing the right thing but before on South Poor seasons in for games and thus whether or not he would even maximizes talents and also created questions about like. Okay is this. Is this guy who you when you talk about the five years of service time that you're going to get for someone who's a very talented fire. Someone who last year was nearly above average everyday outfielder in baseball by injury concerns. Various off your concerns. That's a lot of risks to take on with regards to this touchstone trade with the red SOx nude so yeah I I think I think there's wrist it's happening here on earth Guy I think it does give a little bit of a window into the fact that time bloom is not necessarily use a risk taker like the combination of you. Go IN BRUCE. Dot Grotto as two pronged term is a high risk one. I think but I think that the red sox also nerve desire to evoke near-term sovereignty was the only player will be offered. Who's capable of being above average everyday majorly jitter in twenty twenty in probably twenty twenty one in talks surrounded? Talk more fun thing now. Which is and. I think that we are right to be skeptical of single season defensive as a rule but RAFAEL DEVERS DEFENSIVE. Metrics really turned around last year. There was concerned about him as a prospect all along the way because of the body that he might eventually have to shift a first and then some of the early returns in his major league. Career looked a little spotty but by our metrics by outs above average at stack cast. He had a pretty impressive season fields. And I'm curious what changes if any led to that SORTA turnaround and what you're expecting from him from a field perspective. This year so foremost I would say that. It's you know it's exposure to the major league environment. Like I think that you know a lot of times infielders fly through the minors end up being kind of overwhelmed by the clock of the Big League game when they get there. I actually so I've I've watched never quite a bit dating back to when he was seventeen years old and are we stop it like. He had really really interesting quick feet. That would play well into being a guy will range really strong arm The accuracy of his arm was was was sometimes. Purchase in the same is probably true of the position was footwork. But you know if you if you step back from activities in the big leagues to looking at him as like. Oh this is like a terrific twenty one year old. Then you're like okay. Well let's see what he looks like at twenty two twenty three so I think that mostly experiences allowed him to have a better plot for the game and there are just natural significant gains. That have happened as a result of that. Like remember the ball in the minors Rafael Devers never played with the measly. Boa is the miners through the moves of the triple. A bottle last year and Rafael Devers for that played. Nine Games is ablaze. So the way that the ball come off the bat for ground balls in AAA AA. And you know hiding signal was well different than it was in at the major league level in a way that permits a kind of comfort. Like couple that with the fact that you have these kinds of monsters were regularly hitting one hundred ten mile an hour rockets at you in the old. I just think that the the clock of the big league game defensively especially at third base. Where you're so proximate to the To the plate takes a good while to set for a guy who's flew to the miners that he made a lot of that adjustment and allowed. Some of those strong traits will be arm and especially for in Iraq. I just calibrate a little bit better than the big league level of pretty natural progression that everyone was witnessing were these kind of promising raw materials formed into something that is not finished was certainly more than two more than we will. We'll let you get out of here on. The first is sort of a broader competitive window question. Which is you know. The Yankees are the Yankees. The rays have one of the best systems in baseball and the Blue Jays irs showing signs of their young core coming together. This team seemed to approach this off season with austerity mind. Resetting their luxury tax threshold and we can interrogate how useful a desire that is. Let's let's just take it at face value for a moment. Where does this team see itself long term in terms of its competitive landscape? And when do you think they might start to pull out that? Sturdy posture wrote the quote unquote. Austerity posture was equally. Are I think that they wanted to resent right like they're you know? They were in a position where they were maintained. Some of fifty and ninety five cents on the dollar for every dollar spent beyond the luxury tax threshold this coming year. And that they you know they they right to resent their penalty rates. In order to be able to feel better I think about their invite investments in the victory club. Roughly one out of every three years so actually answered that that part I they they reset in twenty seventeen. It got a lot of noticed at the time was quickly forgotten revised two years because they need massive investments in the aftermath of essentially the reset one year. Then they spend them to spend pretty aggressively in order vehicles around Roster right like David. Ortiz retire Acquired Chris Sale because that will allow them to eat Remaining under the luxury tax threshold within the next year JD Martinez the next year. Resign of all these signs in progress to the long-term zero so i. I think that they're probably in. This runs every three years cycle of getting under the luxury tax threshold. We'll have to see what the next. Cva Let's like shy in how that changes the incentives provincial. Stay in or get out of that cycle but I think that they like. There are additional penalties on top of the luxury tax threshold. That meant that if they were to maintain what was their twenty eighteen to twenty nine hundred levels of spending over the course of twenty twenty two twenty twenty two it would have ended up spending roughly a hundred million dollars more than if they got under. This year will return to the Priors ending levels in twenty twenty one right so like business owners care about one hundred laws. It's not around in. So there's there's that there's also a separate Which is you mentioned. The strong kind of Talon places that exist the Yankees the major league level. I'm not really the minor league level in more raise certainly with regards to both age leander upper levels of the farm system bluejays. They have a wave coming. The Red Sox did not have. We'll have some interesting upside. Plays moving into lower minute. They have a guy here agai their reach the upper levels as a as possible like an everyday guy in Navy didn't have above average every day or rotation regular pasta for the last problems so they serve need emergency back to the to their view as I'd sustainable competitiveness Reeves Zoo refilled the pipeline to jeter towns in the upper levels and for that matter lower levels by the trade of movie bats and David Price Day largely refilled with the upper levels. That is what they view are all serious needs to improve the inventory. Either Major League ready ripe for Dugo or mere major league ready with guys like you to downs in panel so I think they see themselves. Long-term as being they view themselves as being of competitors by acknowledging the engines are low on paper are of a much more impulsive projecting images this year and there was a degenerative Andres as well but I think they feel pretty good about where they were Medina Beyond or not GonNa let you get out of here without giving a prediction. So Al what. He is seeing his red SOx join. What's their record for? Twenty twenty one evacuee. We don't know how much time salesman now all right. Well okay. That's our let's see so I I had I had I had actually initially from one went ahead of where they were last year. They were eighty four. Zero is going to go in five however based on the fact that saleswoman. This is going to miss at least in my mind. I've I've kind of pegged again waiting for information on if he's missing six weeks to start the year two months than bumped down. I'm going with an eighty one winner. Judges I'll boy. Boston might burn down with that. Well you can follow along for the Boston season with Alex's writing at the Boston Globe and on twitter at Alex Spirit and you can order his book which I have read and Ken confirm his excellent homegrown. How the Red Sox built a championship from the ground up cycle. I'm sure they'll look to replicate and we'll have you back on soon. Thanks a lot. Alex right naked. Sam retyping do you does gets through. The giants went on and sixty to eighty nine. Grab cars and homes were TA and games or dissuading on two teams to now. We're going to discuss the San Francisco giants and do that. Hopefully Ryan's GONNA discuss. The giants. Cr was ready to do a very serious introduction off this one's been weighing on me all day. Make his all day. Yeah yeah tough. One Hits a tough one and to help us sort through that difficulty. We have invited friend of the PODCAST. Front all really a grant brisby of the athletic to join us and talk about some baseball grant. How are you? I'm doing very well buddy. If you can't talk about them for an hour or whatever like think about writing about them all year do you. I have I was wondering. Are you at an age now? I'm at that age and I feel like you might be. Are you in an age now where you can just kind of embrace a noncompetitive team like it's just like finally the world has quieting down and just relax in your couch and and throw all ambition aside and and just exist with a bunch of New People that you don't really know that well and like you can just embrace that like nothing's happening anymore? Yup It is. It's it's okay you know it's it's it's not so bad when they're not doing great it's a hand it's not so bad when they're not doing great Yeah let me part that I had I am under the weather so I was about to cough inside. Muted it in. So that's where the weather was pregnant pause. That was very awkward. It's not so bad when they're anyways. Yeah no I would prefer them to do well. It gets everyone more excited it gets. It's easier to write about a team. That's doing well a team that's thriving you've got your kind of feeding off of that that reader energy even if you're desperately desperately not reading the comments you still know what's there in theory and that is fun but it's also fun just to be like one of this. Mike You stransky Guy's GonNa work and then when it does a wink wink. This is fun you know. And there's no pressure there's no stakes you're not saying this guy's going to be around in an all star for five years. It's just fun and sometimes I like fun. Do you think that might be trump's? He's going to be around and in all star five years because that was like the great one of the great things about lad skiers that might stransky out hit Ronald Kunia and And like it was a huge heroic acquisition by far on and and same with Dickerson and same with Solano. Do any of those. Do you think that there's any any like lasted? I guess what I'm saying. Is that last year? There were positive takeaways during the season. Do you think that they are positive? Takeaways from last season for this season or were those little like a little chunks of cookie dough in the one milkshake. I I think that they are maybe not individually. I am not going to sit here. And say Oh. Yeah you stem ski. That guy is going to be just the glue of the twenty four giants. You you just sit and watch you know Donovan Solano. I don't remember the exact exact statistic but I think he's top ten of batting average and balls in of all time but like all time any team last year he was like four nineteen is heavy set the parameters for like two hundred plate appearances or something. He's up there top all time batting average on balls in play which probably isn't sustainable. But if you look at them like as a proof of concept that they're gonNA keep plugging people in and finding value where it it might have been a little hidden. They're going to dust off some some things from the Curio shop. I like the overall sort of. Yeah you know. They're going to try things and they generally have a pretty good idea of what makes a good baseball player compared to perhaps some of the other organizations in the League so as a whole it was encouraging. If you're going start nitpicking every individual player yet they all have their own little flaws and they were all available for reason but I think as a whole it sort of made everyone think okay. That's good work. I can see it. We coordinate our questions. We really tempted to play fast and loose on here. I don't know I don't know. I think it's perfectly fine to stumble around twenty twenty giants preview like you just. This is tyron model. Sometimes you hit Stransky. Sometimes you've got I don't know the equivalent does on the other side but Solano Yeah. He's the twelfth highest BABB SINCE THE DEAD BALL era writers in the live ball era and five of the ones ahead of him were in the nineteen twenties which was close to the baller. So seventh if you say since like the murderers row than he seventh which is one of those things where you kind of. Don't want to say it out loud to watch not a great indicator. Yeah I you know I appreciate his bat ball skills and there's a lot to like. He's good defensively versatile. Jags not GonNa do that again. All those babs from back then like they played with the like the skull of steer unpolished in everyone in the field. Think we talked about this. Last now everyone had rickets every single. Baseball player had the drops in rickets and they didn't eat vitamins in Liberia. Yes this why batting average on balls and plays so different back then because everyone was ganglion sickly but so Solano Great Greg Task. You're actually those are actual baseball questions. But can I. Can I steer US a little bit? Turn provides them staring so one thing that I think we all are curious about. Grant is your personal experience of the Gape Kappler era. And how has your life change since you were introduced to Gabe? Geffen as he made you work out with him yet. Nobody's made me work out with them. Come on I'd area. So yeah yeah well right now I do but no at first I was affected because I wrote about it and I got a lot of email messages some support of some not direct messages stuff like that and it was very much in my brain at all times now. I don't necessarily think about it. It's kind of I have the privilege to not think about it. It's it's not that comes across every time reviewing a lineup or thinking about a move the giants might make or what the batting order might be timmy. It's it's just like he's another manager right now. Insofar well you know there is one difference in that when the giants lineup is announced at Spring Training. It's very awkward. Because it's not. There's no booze really. It's just silence. And you're used to Bruce Bocce getting as loud of an ovation as like Pablo Sandoval or share hunter pence whatever. And now it's just sort of In it's a collective yeah you know and you know have heard a couple hecklers but it's generally not negative. It's just an absence of positive that that's a little strange other than that. I. I'm sure when he starts losing or if the giant unexpectedly start winning there will be a lot more discussion of the merits of one gig Adler but I mean when he got hired so much of the discussion in in what you wrote about and your immediate response to it was about the you know what he the way that he handled the salt. Case involving dodgers minor leaguers when he was in charge of the Farm System. And the you know sort of ongoing questions about that in the weather. He has demonstrated growth from that and so on. So I think that that was a lot of ways the most important conversation to have at the time and I sort of feel like lost in all that we didn't talk that much about what he is like as a manager what we've now seen from him as a manager and you know as all managers. I don't notice them that much. Over the course of the season they do thousands and thousands of of actions. That are out of my view in that I never really think about and so I don't have strong opinions about most managers. What I know about Kappler as a manager as phillies manager is that he got fired after two years and that he oversaw two teams that you know probably were considered to have underperformed and so if he weren't Gabler if it weren't a name that we knew I think people would be surprised to see that manager immediately. Get another job immediately. Get another shot. Especially if that's his only experience and so have you dug in much into his managerial style and how he did as a phillies manager in what differentiated him and whether you feel you know baggage aside whether you feel that he is like a good manager right. Yeah that's a fair question. I it does speak to his capabilities that the phillies GM. Which I don't think I've ever said this out loud Matt Cleantech. Clint cut. That's right. Okay Yeah I'm awesome. That he wanted it back he wanted. Kappler back in you know. That's the narrative at least that it was an ownership driven change the GM was totally on board and wanted to keep capital around in and also speaks to campers viability. That four hundred eighty. Who before this higher was generally in universally seen as sort of a guru sort of you know? He had his finger on something that hadn't been in San Francisco and a while that he was able to find these. These discarded gems that he was able to to reset kind of the whole minor league organization to have this newfound emphasis on patients that for whatever reason he was pushing all these right buttons in. He's a bright guy and affable guy and for whatever reason he thought Kappler was the guy to replace Bruce Bocce which is a hard job to fill that that's as beloved as a manager can be in a city and so when you're picking the replacement you want to be pretty darn sure you've got it right so he's got the backing of two. Pretty Smart Baseball Smarty Pants and when I dig into his style. I'm not sure how much to make of it. Because one of the things that's eighty said in his sort of a giant postmortem at the end of the year before we knew it was Kappler but Andy bagger elite. My colleague was listing and said Oh this sounds like Kappler and he said you know we're going to look at some managers who have maybe done this before with with limited success who might have learned from their mistakes and Kappler is very. He talks about the mistakes. He might have made where he came into it. Full Analytical Full Gist. Let's go let's. Let's do this by the numbers I can convince anyone. I can make a believer anyone just based on the numbers being right and then he realize well I got to back off on that just a little bit because these are humans you know he. He gave the sort of come to. I don't know what the opposite of Bill James's come to come to baseball as a moment where he said. Okay I need to get these guys to buy in to what I'm selling and I can do that was stats but I can also do that. With sort of individual approaches figuring out how to communicate with these guys in so he feels at the end of his phillies tenure that he was communicating a lot. Better and going by the stats and and doing this. Sort of thing where he's a new job sabre manager and he believes that he's found a balance right now whether or not that's the case it's the dream to have that Dallas. So whether or not he. He's done that. This remains to be seen. I will note that in the spring. The giants have been really wildly aggressive on the basis tagging up from second to third. No Fly Ball Taken off seconds when there's a ball in the dirt really really aggressive and I don't know if that's just a spring thing or if it's GonNa last but it's been fun to wash spring so this team last year kind of found itself in the awkward position of having a pretty good record around the trade deadline. They were famously reticent to undecided not to Trade Madison Bumgarner and then they did the thing that we all Kinda thought they would do which is not make the postseason in the second half so they were trying to learn something about themselves last year and now they're in a position where I think they're probably you know the the front offices. Understanding of their competitive position is probably in line with ownerships understanding. And so everyone is clear eyed and this is a season where they're going to also try to find out some stuff and they have a number of young dudes on the roster and then some pieces that are clearly not can be part of the next competitive giants team grant. What is like the most important thing for this twenty twenty giants team to find out about itself as it's looking ahead to? Its next competitive window. Good question I would say that. It's it's mostly how to fold in the next generation because this is that transition year where you're GONNA have Elliott Ramadan. Enjoy Bart in a perfect world jelly. You'RE GONNA try to fold them in to maybe contribute to a twenty twenty one team. That's going to contend. I don't know if you can guarantee that. The twenty twenty one giants will contend. It might be a little optimistic bud. They have a lot of young talent in some of it will be in. The upper miners have a fair amount of money to spend with Crawford Belt and some Arja. Their money's coming off the books after twenty twenty one. They might get a jump on that spending before they leave. You have in the recent history baseball starting with like the nationals. When they were so bad that could draft Strasbourg and Harper. And you saw that wave of talent coming and then it was sort of a year early. And that's been the pattern. I think with the cubs the astros the braves the twinned where you see that that crest prospects is sort of common up and you're pointing to and go a high that's GonNa come soon and then all of a sudden you're just soaked in prospects and fun and they're winning a year ahead of schedule. That's like the best case scenario for the giants so if that even has a remote chance of happening it's definitely not the likeliest scenario but if it has a chance they're going to figure out the players in their minor league system that they can count on for next year whether that's Joey Barred Jelly Ramos. Anyone in everyone who can help. They're just figuring out how fold them in this year as organically as possible. Remember Ben wrote a piece a number of years ago about teams with old lineups and I believe he found that the teams that had the oldest lineups in the league. It was usually either. They were in a really good spot like they were the favorites that like their players were all mature and awesome or they were in really bad. Spot and giants last year had the oldest average hitter age in baseball. Despite being you know theoretically semi rebuilding. And they're going to be really old this year too. If you just for the most part they've still got Posey and bell and Crawford and Longoria who are all in their mid thirties and the breakouts last year the you know the quote unquote young breakouts. Last year were like Stransky is going to be twenty nine and Dickerson is going to be thirty and hunter pence's back and there's another thousand years worth of players that I haven't even named they're very old and I assume I mean you know not not. I assume it is a fact that a goal of this next few years for the giants will be to get to the far side of that leaderboard into one of the youngest teams at the end of this. How long is it GonNa take to to get young? Do you think given who they have in. Sort of what the organizational depth is. What do you envision it being like for the next couple of years? It's not gonNA be so easy to get young because other than Bart in other than awesome outfielders. I'm not seeing a shortstop third baseman First Baseman who you can plug in for twenty twenty one and say oh. Yeah that guy's GonNa be ready. I don't worry about that so you you bought Longoria some time Crawford a little bit of time belt a little bit of time. Crawford might be the closest to getting replaced because Marie Soo do von does play a competent shortstop and that transition is probably gonNA start taking place this year. Where you're GONNA see on it in there a lot against tough left-handers and then it might be. If he's doing well enough you might see it sort of progress to all left-handers and and then if you see it progress a little bit while he's in for some right handers to. They're trying to make him into this neo. Chris Taylor where he's he's in center field is in second he's he's a short but I also think that there's an opportunity for him if he's hitting well to sort of quietly assimilates shortstop position and that that might work Crawford. I don't see anything on the horizon for Longoria for belt with Posey pretty obvious. You've got Bart right there. It's going to be up at some point this year unless something really screw happens injury wise or performance wise so you can see that transition. That's going to start to take place and it's it's not a bad thing when you have two catchers to fight for playing time because you want as much as possible but it's not gonna be an overnight thing we're just like you wake up. Wow everyone's twenty-five it's it's GonNa take it you know it's not just the legacy players that don't have necessarily the best guys to to fill in for those legacy players just yet and I mean. Is it your expectation that Posey and belt and Crawford and Longoria will all finish their contracts as giants that like? There's not a sense that they're a month and a half of you know like one hot month and a half away from being traded or anything like that. I could definitely see belt getting traded especially with the fences coming in and more importantly for belts coming down. You know he's not going to have to hit over a seventy eight foot high wall or whatever to get it out right center at least two to the deepest part of Right-center so I can see you know. He looks great this spring. I could see his numbers being superficially better. Last year was down year by any metric. I could see him getting back to the level. He was before that where. If you adjusted for Ballpark he was pretty darn okay. And if the giants enough money it's not like he's making thirty million he's he's he's under twenty and if the giant some of that. I could definitely see him helping a team. That has a need that comes up with an injury or a disappointing performance. You know I've always. I've been putting him on the Yankees for like three years now. It's like come on. Yeah he's just here to take the belt. Let them free. He's he's his feathers too. Bright for this cage. Come on come on. Just take a ticket brandon bell so I can see that finally happening this year Crawford not so much. I don't think there's that magic combination of we will pay this down for a better prospect Longoria. He's under contract. I think for three more years which is hard to believe. Posey'S GONNA stick around until he basically forces a trade. I don't see him going anywhere while he's under contract. So belt would be a yes. Longoria probably Crawford probably not in Posey pretty much no way. I'll talk about Bart for a second because you say he's come up this year and I'm curious you expect his timeline to look clearly the service time consideration. Because he's not going to be a contending team and I imagine they're reticent to start his clock but also he you know he was injured like in the fall rate. So how has he looked in spring so far and Wendy? I think that we might see him in San Francisco. He looked good in the spring. As far as you can see his in Game Bauer. I do think that the giants will bring them up whenever they think that he's ready to assume a starting job. I don't think they're going to Dick around with the service time of you know they haven't done that in the past a notes a new front office but it hasn't necessarily been their mo it certainly hasn't come from ownership so it's going to be when he's ready to starter the end. I do believe that there's enough concern with his hit tool that you don't want to jump on that right away we're talking. I don't know a hundred two hundred at bats above able. He wasn't so great in a ball he had an extended slump in San Jose and there was some concern that the second or third time around the colleague that some pitcher some coaches sorta new where they should pitch him when he got to the Eastern League. Everyone forgotten you. Start drinking again to get to the Arizona Fall League and they're not necessarily going on in-depth Scouting report so they might not have known but once you get the book on them. I don't know maybe he someone you can you can pitch to. I don't know if that's the case but the giants do want to figure this out before they just throw them in there like ear. Magsino you are the starting catcher forever. Just you know figure out how to hit while you're up there and I'm pretty sure they don't WanNa do that. And I'm sorry if I poked at an open wound with the the Mike Zito comparison. But that's sort of what people are warning about Joey. Bart. I'm curious. So there's there's that situation and then there is this outfield logjam probably too strong. But how do you see the the outfield for this team? Sorting itself out in two thousand twenty. Because when you and I have talked off line in our super secret communications where I ask you to that. The rest depth charts. You've indicated there might be some moving around out there. Tell us about the moving around out there. Grant it's GonNa be it's GonNa be of very very. They're going to be open to a lot of different permutations I think that Alex dickerson hunter pence or sort of mirror images of each other where you have concerns about them. Getting four hundred plate appearances. You have concerns about them. Getting two hundred plate appearances. But you sort of hope you're GONNA get three hundred from both of them and you're going to maximize those plate appearances to to maximize their strengths. And so I I see them as two components of like one piece dickerson pants. You know might not be a strict platoon of just those two guys. But in another more cosmic sense yeah. Shirts basically strict platoon Yastrzemski. They're going to use is like a roving utility full-time starter. So he might be in Centerfield. Sometimes he's going to be in right field. Allot the opponent left when they need to. You know he's probably going to be in the lineup unless he really start to struggle in this season against left. Handed pitching overall. I think they're they believe that he can help. Whether it's on the basis whether it is in the field that he's generally an overall solid player in so many aspects that he's going to be out there almost every day and that leaves that sort of floating you know whoever's going to be the third outfielder because you're not gonNA have dickerson and pence start at the same time. So is it going to be Billy Hamilton? At Center it could be released. If taken a shine to him in spring training. It might be someone like Austin slater where he's really doesn't have much to prove in triple eight east consistently raked in. Triple A. is that approach. Ever GonNA play enough for him to be a starting corner outfield in in the majors. Probably not but you might see a lot of them because it did for until like September. Last year he looked good he had like a. Ogsm nine hundred but he looked good until he just completely fell into a canyon in September. So you're going to have those guys. Jalen Davis might be up. Stephen Duggar he's kind of like the projected starter in center. You just don't know what you're GONNA get for him. Even before he was hurt last year he was one of the all-time worst offensive outfielders in giants history. Which is like not the greatest bullet point on your Lincoln. So they've got options. They're going to take a look at Elliot Romo's he's he's on the shelf with an oblique tweak but he might be someone who if he's just totally raking and and moving up levels you might see him in July instead of September? You might see them take a chance on on him sooner rather than later depending on on all this stuff so it's very very pliable. Just they've got so many different ways to plug it in. You can just basically count on trump's keep getting a lot of playing time and Pinson dickerson as much as their bodies. Well now see it you said that Dickerson in Pennsylvania Mirror images of each other and my my brain thought will hundred Penza very distinctive looking human being so that seems crazy and I know what you mean but I have a brain that works in a funny way and you look Alex Dickerson early. This is less different than I expected it to be. He's got he's got a little goof- goofed. Grace Goof and I mean a positive way. He's Oh yeah we're on this back east slightly awkward and all the right ways and yet there's a lot there's a lot of penske similarities where last year it was like. Hey this is like dollar store pence. We got them so now. They've got both completed. The set okay granted. I have two more questions for you before we pursue to predict a record for this team. So I'm I'm previewing. That question which I know you knew was coming by. Just WanNa give you time to think about it while you're answering other stuff. The first of which is that. This team did something. A Little Ole nifty while we can decide if we think it's nifty earlier this off season when they they did some trades with they did a trade with the angels and they acquired as part of that trade the angels of Schroeder from US Joe Wilson. And I'm curious if you think that this is GonNa be if these sort of trades are going to be part of their strategy to continue to supplement young talent around the guys that they already have in their farm system. Should we expect more business? Thinks it just makes so much sense. The giants are they. Don't have a two hundred million dollar payroll right now. Because they can't afford it they they have a payroll below that because they just aren't GonNa Start Slapping veterans on this team. And pretend like it's normal so when you have that sort of surplus why not sort of by a prospect. It's it's such a novel idea. Few teams actually do it and I will say that after. I believe. It's after the twenty twenty one season have in front of me but there's one year where it just opens up and all that's on the payroll. Is Evan Longoria? Yeah and it's like. Oh you know. That's it'll be once the race. Subsidies factored in like fifteen million is what they're gonNA. Oh Evan Longoria and they're gonNA have US effectively one hundred eighty five million dollars to spend and I mean that's a little simplistic but they will have all this excess cash in. It's not like you can just go to Costco in lump all the best players into a car like that's just not possible even if they did. WanNa come they might not be available? It's just so hard to spend the all in one all season on everyone. That's GonNa make the team the franchise better for the years to come in exactly the blueprint. You've detailed they're gonNA spend on one free agent to free agent some really good free agents. But they'll still have someone that surplus in even if the minor leaguers start coming up at the pace that's expected. I would anticipate them. Maybe using some of that excess cash to pay. Give us your will Wilson. We'll take reads cards Coz Art okay sure and we'll just release him right afterward I mean that's that's gotta be the plan if you have all that excess cash in an ownership group that seems to believe in your vision. Yeah in twenty twenty one smarter. Become a free agent Kevin Gals Manner Smiley Pence Tony Watson and then the year after that belts Crawford and Tyler Anderson. Come off the books. Oh Tyler Anderson the summer try anything at all and then they have club options on quite oh. Posey and warmer floor as in that year which we imagine will not be exercised. I was GONNA say that. Wilson's like the free sample. But that's not true because they had to take covert get him so. This is not a free sample at all. He's very expensive sample. This is going off. You're costco analogy so goes the time share owned. We'll Wilson's like the Nice vacation. Yeah yes that part's true. So with that sort of look ahead to their free agent situation in mind. I'm curious how you think of this team positions in its own division because obviously they continue to have to deal with the dodgers they. Have you know a sort of resurgent? D-backs team they have a Padres Team. That is willing to spend money in a really deep farm the giants they WANNA bunch of world series in the last decade. But some of those maybe a little bit lucky so. I'm curious how they sort of see themselves progressing in division that has one heavyweight is probably primed to have a couple more when it's all said and done although they continue to get to play against the rocky so they have that going for them. Do they do except they still have to? Of course veiled which is entirely brutal. Yeah I really honestly believe their template is to be the dodgers dodgers north to spend like the dodgers to develop like the dodgers to be the dodgers that is their goal and it might not be quite they might not people to pull it off to that. Extreme they might. So if they want to re-sign their version of Clayton kershaw Kenley Jansen and Justin Turner. They might say okay. We'll just we can't afford all three. So we will sign Clayton Kershaw in Justin Turner or Kenley Jansen. And just you know. They'll they'll have to mix and match when it comes to those huge huge huge contracts to keep the familiar place around otherwise. I think that's the template day they're going to want to be in the middle of every free discussion. They're going to want to have such an incredibly viable pipeline. That they're not going to need. Every last free agent that comes down they would like to be in the discussion for Garrett Cole also being like the dodgers and and not overbidding or or playing their hand to to get him. I think that's the template and they have the resources they have the money. They've got this huge real estate development. That going up around the Ballpark. That should be an infusion of cash. The BALLPARK's paid off. They want to be the dodgers in the commitment of the ownership. Society's vision was. I really believe that they said okay. Just burn it down the way you see fit build it back up and then we can start spending in being like those jerks down south. When do you think will be the first year they actually have a better record than the dodgers? 'cause it has not happened in seven years even though they were winning world series. Do you think that they have? I mean if you had to bat would you bet they will finish ahead of the dodgers more than once in the next decade. Yeah I would say so. I would say you get enough lead time. They're they're GONNA start trading body posed with them. I you know once you start to get the dodgers. Maybe there's going to be one of these years for the not spitting out only stupid prospects fully formed in. You know maybe that happens. One of the. Isn't that part of the dodgers? That's part of being the dodgers's spitting out stupid prospects fully-funded but the giants are supposed to do this in this scenarios. I'm the voice of optimism. Here I could see them once. They're fully a fully functional death star. Yes they're going to have prospects to compete with the dodgers. They're going to have the financial resources to compete. For the dodgers. I would rather be the giants in the giants position than the padres in that might see. I know there's a padres fan right now. He's just punching his computer or phone and I don't mean that like a rude way I just see the padres are. They built up this incredible depth in their organization. But at some point they're not gonna be able to spend quite as much as their rivals. It's the hospital Machado that they've really sort of tried to prepare for this moment but I don't know how many of those are going to have left especially if they perform like Air Costner's performed like there might be some reticence from ownership group whereas I see the giants once they get going if they get going being just a tiny bit more sustainable. And maybe maybe. I'm just being a little bit too optimistic about their financial resources. Once they get going but I don't I don't think so I don't know Babe. Ruth has the all time record for highest in the live ball. Era Really playing back. And he would you know squid. I too many records. That guy had too many records. He's getting records that are not in his category. He's a time traveler hoax all right. I think we're ready predictions. He's a hoax. I I'm only big. I don't I don't believe that I don't think that's on the up and up. Yeah I've case before. I think it was a hoax that got out of hand and and then people over the years forgot that they knew that it was a hoax. And now it's it's a legend that we think is true. Yes but that's a that's a different episode on one. I'd be interested in recording what you have to wait 'til bengals vacation again. So hey grant. How many games are the giants winning? I'm GONNA go forty. They're going to look forty. Forty forty and forty eight because of all the Games cancelled because of quarantines and stuff. Oh Jeez Yeah No. I'm just I'm feverish right now. Then I'm not. It's not baseball fever. It's like a literal fever. So how many times have you touch base since we've possible? Stop I would like to say I have had the exact opposite experience of it. Sounds like both of you and also the whole world where I was told. You need to stop touching your face by the. Cdc and I went. Well I'll never do it. I touched my face constantly. All the time never stop. I love to touch my face and I just stopped and it's been wonderful. I have never felt stronger. More empowered. I have an issue on my nose and I just don't scratch it and it goes away and I feel like I have cracked the code. This is the first thing in my life that I felt good at damn. Wow Yeah I'd do flights in the whole time it's like don't touch your face. Don't touch your face on my foot in my mouth like I I just. I'm not good at it at all. I Yeah I mean like my purchase has been to wash my hands constantly because I know I'm GonNa fail at the not touching my face thing so probably gonNA lose all the skin on my hands and then it's like. Is that helpful? This is a great thing to joke about. We're going to look back in like A. We can be like. That was a mistake. So everyone joking. We're we're raising awareness. Though because I feel like like my my pride maybe on the line here. Where does the face start because I have? I do still put my hand on my neck. Kinda under the sort of the base of my Chin. So there's no contact with the ridge of the Chen but like I'm still leaning on my neck so it's in the area but I'm not touching my fate. That's okay right like you. Just have to keep it away from the fluid zones work is free like just stay away from those orifices black or horrify black bear orifices orifices or Porpoises Anyway Grand. But my prediction is going to be would I'm trying to do math. Seventy Ninety two. So I think they'll win. Seventy two so seventy four in eighty eight. That is my prediction. Will people can follow you. I'm sure that everyone who listens to this podcast In case you don't he's on twitter at Grant. Brisby you can find his writing at the athletic grant. Thanks for hanging out. Stop touching your face Taman Betterman. Thank you all right. That'll do it for today and that'll do it for this week. Thank you for listening. You can support effectively wild on PATRIAE GOING. 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"DAMN YOU, UNCLE LEWIS!" - The Poison Pen

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"DAMN YOU, UNCLE LEWIS!" - The Poison Pen

"How this program is a proud member of you. Need voice unified unique voices. Learn more at you. Needles pods dot net. Hello my name's patrick. And i must scream queen. I'm a scream queen and celery you again. My view is and welcome to another episode of skirt. Lean queens. It's the podcast where horror gets gay. This is episode three hundred and four and tonight. it's actually a very special occasion. And can you believe. I did not see it coming halloween. I knew it was coming thanksgiving. It's not here yet. I know it's coming election day. Well we all know miss becoming for a really long time and it's been like kind of a big deal and and maybe just maybe if you just go with be here. Maybe my mind has been a little bit preoccupied with that particular occasion that i didn't really focus on anything past that particular occasion. 'cause i always finding a difficult to envisioning anything happening after that particular occasion if you get my drift armageddon. That's what i mean. And so therefore my beautiful beautiful screamers. Clearly that it's just the constant fear of armageddon hanging over my head. You know the world is hanging on the brink. Seven apocalypse for god knows how long. There's the only possible reason that i did not notice that this friday. This friday is not just any other friday. No as a matter of fact. It's friday the thirteenth. And you know that means round here at scream queens headquarters. Yep i heard that from the background someone out there. The peanut gallery said that's right. Kids it is time for another friday. The thirteenth spectacular. Uh thirteen once again. Horon rob the third people along the jets jack euler. You'll marlon my vernacular. What you all staring at be like that. Okay look trying to this report. Do everything you could just call foolish. I just thought that. I don't know maybe we're in the middle of a global pandemic and i would just survived much traumatic election experienced imaginable. Maybe maybe people be a little more lenient grateful that i remember there was supposed to have the part you know. Maybe they cut the all quaint some slack and let them have some world one on pop pop music ever makes them happy now. Okay fine time but fine. We'll play your way whether you like it or not and seeing thank you thank you. Thank you very much. Hi hi my name. Is patrick waldron. I'm the host of this podcast. And i was just playing the role of a crazy person. Just for entertainment shits and giggles. Because that's kind of shit. The goes on on friday the thirteenth had. I been an actual crazy person. Said something like normally twice a month for the past eleven years. I'm your guy the weird and wonderful world of horror movies but you're going to have see them through my very very gala lies and that would be a very crazy thing for me to say tonight because we're not even talking about a movie waiting to talk about tv. Show we talking about the canadian series friday the thirteenth the series which has nothing to do with the movies in theory. But traditions have to be kept. Do i know. I know i know you people just baffled by the person was crazy. They're not crazy. But they are crazy. And i don't know what's going on. Trust me nobody. There's like three people out there who get this but trust me. Just sit down. i'll get let me get it out over with quick way way back when i started this show and friday. The thirteenth rolled around the calendar. I said this'll be a very good time to review the original thirteenth. Now being very old queen like i am. I seen all of the front of the thirteen movies in the theater during their original theatrical run whether i was age appropriate for that or not is a whole other which we've already had. Every time i'm another part of the thirteenth bumped up on the calendar. I review the next film in the series. And i wouldn't just talk about the movie itself. But i talk about whatever weird shit went on when a nine year. Old sneaks into an r. Rated movie that he's way too young and brings a whole bunch of friends with them and kind of lasting trauma have on a family and her neighborhood and the kids psyche. Well that was all for your entertainment. Everytime friday the thirteenth came around and a pretty spectacular it was so spectacular about it. We could pronounce it right. That's a spectacular was. But you would think gosh. There's an awful lot of friday the thirteenth movies right. You could talk about them forever. The funny thing you'd be wrong. no. I've been doing this show for so goddamn long. I ran out of movies. Ages ago ages ago but the friday the thirteenth spectacular. I become such tradition and apparently loved by where listeners that i couldn't just let it go i have to keep it alive out so normally what we do is when the thirty pops up in calendar. We'll pick a movie that is somehow tied to either the answers or the people on the creative teams of any of the friday the thirteenth franchise movies. It's like thousands of people. We should be able to find something. We might talk about movie directed by sean cunningham or something with kane honnor perhaps but that is how we keep the friday the thirteenth traditional life. And that's what we would have done. Had i not forgotten their friday the thirteenth coming up on the calendar. Fortunately i had this show in the back because as many of you know this podcast episode. That you're being treated tonight is normally behind the patron paywall. Ooh it's where my super screamers subscribers who give a little extra cash each month to help keep the show going in and return they get things like episodes of damn lewis this friday the thirteenth. The series exclusive podcast that is hosted by myself and trading and murphy. But tonight you're getting it for free. Because i screwed up because it's it's gonna play. I was planning on doing this anyway. Does not this way. But okay get lemons. You make lemonade by the way. There's no lemon because they're gonna go shopping for show. I didn't have time to go shopping for drinks and snacks for the party. Either stop y'all you may want to come back. Do you want the crazy. Gotta come back. I thought okay. So this particular episode of dab you lewis is covering the second episode of friday the thirteenth this series which was called the poison pen. And if you're not familiar with the show or if you haven't caught this particular episode or a little rusty on goings on at curious goods fortunately for you. The episode is available in its entirety on youtube. So maybe if you want to take a little pause right now and go watch out and then come back and play with us. I just brought my mouse. It's okay we've got nothing else to do but you're sit here way for you to catch up with the rest of us. It's following on. This part is already disaster anyway. The go watch series. Get re familiar with the fabulous world of ruby and the dangerous world cursed antiques. And when you're ready come back. Hit the play button on your listening device and we are off to my very curious curios shop but first a word of warning very curious. Curious shop isn't the safest of workspaces is no fault of stored self and if any harm should come to you or to any when he might have been foolish enough to bring with you. Please beware that anything. Bad happened as lewis's fault not mine now. Maya's not trace not yours because you see what you're about to learn. Is that sometimes uncle who is dreadful things. And he's been doing them again. Jab you want go low as painting welcome do come do come in out of the rain in the welcome once again to my most unusual curio shop. I am patrick walsh. Thank you for joining me again. In my emporium dedicated to the we the unusual and the down ride fabulous. Now i know why you're here. The thirteenth has come again on the calendar. Which means it's time it's time once again for us together and discuss uncle louis. Yes he does this shop. He has everything in it on the surface. It was a very good man but sometimes on the louis does dreadful things and we need to discuss what he's done this month. This is the podcast that is dedicated to friday the thirteenth series. Where once a month. Every month we go through the next episode chronologically through friday the thirteenth to television series. And we are up to season one episode to the poison pen allies always. I'm joined by my fellow shopkeepers. And enthusiasts of the weird unusual legend general boys and girls my amurri and trading. Hey y'all doing. Oh i was doing great until uncle lowest. Got up to his tricks again. My goodness keeps everyone busy. Not even stationary is safe. Stationary would be so mundane so dry and yet by definition it should be stationary. Staying on place do nothing but no no no no bringing doom and the devil ruins everything bitch son of a bitch. Okay who wants to give a quirky little summary of what goes on this episode. Who did it last time. Oh i don't remember. I think you asked us both to do it. And neither of us work so. I think my volunteer finger on my nose and we can't see what trace doing so you can't see me. I can't hide. I have nowhere to go all right there. The title i learned that trick from you by the the nose gay. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah yeah. My parents proud okay. So one of the cursed objects that has been sold is a pin that can make only evil things happen and it has been used to murder several months. Monks only regular just months that actually they say before they stay the arc. Whoever's using this whoever is using this is causing quite a sensation because now he's like a tabloid headline the oracle death predicts another disaster predicted an earthquake and some other disaster a fire in a plane crash. So it's been outside of the monastery but now all of a sudden the focus is going inward. It's as monk in seclusion. That's got the pen predicting disasters all around and now all of a sudden all the desk getting closer and closer to home and because the budget was low so you could just feel my one set. But what i said it was a great set. I love the monastery set. The set was good. It was nice it was dark. It was mood everything i want. It didn't look grad ridiculous editions in the real world allowed to use electricity though like these were some weird like amish. Monks like things were awed things differently. Jerry well sorry. I'm sorry you do not understand the comings and goings of the terminal brotherhood. They don't allow women. So i just i'd have a hard time learning. I guess i'm sorry. The eternal brotherhood sounds like a group like a musical group made and gentlemen material brotherhood. Oh yeah did you have a lot of trees to pick up and over songs about their desks and stuff. It'd be terrible bill. Just a bunch of bras time about addicts net yet. We have but anyway. It's enough to catch the attention of our part of our friends down curious goods because mickie Ryan's going on he's over. The desert predicted another death oracle death. This month he claims to be able to predict people's deaths. That's ridiculous for people leaving the ground. Don't know he's already predicted fire on an airplane crash and the decimate people. Nobody can predict future. Can you predict that. The predicted the death of the abbot of the order. That he's in wouldn't. Jack looks at the newspaper. I read that then. I wrote down. I can wait photo. And he's like. I know that quill. I know that. I'm sure you do but all right. Oh my goodness no. Pin is using quill pen. Don't most monks us quote pens but not that particular pen. I picked up on del fuego. It's made from a tail. Feather from a giant chilean condor kind louis loved. That said he got a handsome price for it to then but here we are. Quinoa pen sat in sumer number. Forty six to ninety five so to one rupert sell. I plucked at bird myself. Club it was a peruvian condor the worst kind of condor. Like don't be judging birds. Jags pretending like he's interesting. Oh he's trying so hard well he can't compete with the hair the hair but he he gets a finding chances episode because we hide the hair. Yeah we do. Hide the hair because surprising choice. Suppressing choices for the second episode. That right away. They're going deep undercover. Mickey wine have to go undercover at the monastery which means what okay so they make these boobs choices. They're like not only. We're gonna pass you both off as men. But you definitely came from england for reasons. No one tries to do an accent. They're supposed to be from yorkshire which granted is difficult accent but pass for a man and they do such a bad like i wrote down in my notes. That is not how you bind like. He's wrapping her in ace bandage but she's still got this like tiny little eighties bubis frame and i'm like that's not you are not helping. Would the hood on. She looks like swinton at times. Yes yes he did like this winter times which is not a big joe the cheekbones yes she cheekbones giveaway put on your role dishes. Yes i do. I look terrible. Oh no you don't cutest boy. I've ever seen that's built to this. Had this this episode had a high and pitting on your cousin and then i started making tick marks every time he did it again. He wants her. What enjoyed this. What we open at the monastery and they're having this meeting discussing selling the monastery and the abbot is say. Absolutely not no way. We're not in this for the money. We don't need the money we for the month for doing god's work here we're not selling period end of story next scenes these somebody scribbling with the poison pen like a lab calligraphy and scary whispers out miracle find. He watches take compliance. I sounds like total as mere version of some times. He take flight. Yeah yeah yeah. But it was effective though it was effective and it wasn't just writing it down was doing calligraphy with the first letter in a little box and very elaborate a fully illuminated but also like they close the book right after they finish writing like you have to dry. You've obviously never done this before. We're clearly you've never written with kurth pen before you don't need a blotter doesn't have to try us side and the calligraphy just happens. Yeah yeah well. That's just a handwriting trait. Which is going to come up again later but also i want to bring up. If we're talking about the meeting the very beginning with the abbott and the other monks they say oh we'll surely it's not what our founder would have wanted. They gestured to this painting of a monk. Taking something away from a native american and they never come back to that point. And i'm just like. Why is there in indian in the painting do you want to. That's twice. Well this is my. I think you said this is an order undetermined to church under terminent but the person that they gesture to is distinctly a cappuccino monk. How does catholic boy. No this cappuccino had that distinctive haircut. That's like a ring around their head by the way. That's why cappuccino is called that because it looks like a little cappuccino if you do the phone. Correct it sticks to the rim of the cup. I'll see you bastard. This is a very educational episode. Things i learned in at the cappuccino monitor like have you ever ranked one of a little me mike. What day my okay what's happening. But none of them have that. And yet they're they're handling animals they're franciscan but they're clearly knocked us. I've dealt with hatred cena vegetarians. I went to a cc. Their bank you thank you. I went to a franciscan college and they are all about love. Peace pet the animals. Here's all the information processing it. All make your own decisions man hanging over here smoking. Some zubi is behind the button. Very joel berry chelsea. This is totally not them either. But whatever we're hearing the scary thing about how he always in the miracles liden wished himself. Now he's going to get a taste of it while working with carrier pigeons y- can thing to do. And they say the monasteries middle of the city. So he's sending the carrier pigeon somewhere else locally in this city has a pigeon coop maybe carrier pigeons just know he was he was fixing something to one of their little legs wasn't just a coupon. The roof there was a there was messages. And may maybe it was like an order to subway sandwich. I'm so tired of brown rice hungry. Because if he used the pin to order some subs and it would be like no no mustard devil. Just like homer simpson. It'd be an actual sub maria way but we get to the self-flagellation later there's a sub he starts flying. He starts sliced levitating in the air. And he's got his arms out he's got this lucrative feel happy. Feel happy at last. God has granted me who thing i want. And then they cut to this stunt man who you can see rotate in the air to land on the pillow. Well hey what are you going to do. But no he doesn't always it dry gets dropped like a rock off the side of the bell tower room to on doppler some occasional lawn furniture chest but nowhere else when we find him on the ground like. I'm not really sure where the chest blood came from. And the blood from his mouth was going up. Gravity was doing his mouth which meant it was up because he was backers. But whatever whatever it's a decent abbas dead and it's enough to get mickey and ryan's and injects attention. They sent everybody undercover disguise. Mickey as a boy and covered up even more. Can we talk about how not chill mckee. Is this entire episode. She's a total bitch. Well i'm sorry. But sometimes when i find myself locked in a cell antimony stary pretending to be a boy tracking down. Kirsch quill pen. I'm south us. She's type but also she is nowhere to like p in peace like i feel for her. They had seen with like they find first of all. They're getting lead into the monastery and these things some weird shit like i just watched it again before we started and there are things going on in the background on the way in a couple of what's happening was that a little person i saw just kinda like toddling toward somebody behind. I thought so. What on their knees i saw. There's the monk whose whipping himself. Yeah so flagellate which went out with vatican two by the way. Nobody does that if you're going to do that. Close your door. And the thing is the guy who's leading them through who. I call brother. Louie anderson the dom deluise when we recasting sweaty and stuff and weird and stuff real bad hair. Who's giving them the tour and they pass this rumor. This guy brother shirtless beating himself with with with a whip of ropes. And he's just like doesn't close the door nothing that would have been no. He's virtue signal. He wants everyone to know how he suffers your or he was just kind of like you. Cool with this guy to see you know wants this. You come this. This is the room for this kind of but if you want. Glory hole accident. You got to go to the shower but not get to the room. They have to share a room. Mickey's not chill about this at hamad. God i can't believe we have to share a room expected with forgot to be the fucking hilton to share a room with your cousin. Big deal one eighty. But the beginning is so where's the laboratories and the guys delighted to announce. Yes the communal bathroom and showers. Just down the court. It's the only fund amongst to have and i'm thinking. Wait a minute. A communal toilets. What does that make up to meet. Oh maybe it's the ancient roman style where we're just be like a bench with holes cut out until you get down into the big bowl you'll have to face in watch each other. It's all know seaver else's faces that sounds good what it was like a glory hog. Well people were someone's look at in looking for mickey. Does its communal. But there's also a people. I don't know that sounds intentional. Totally reference but. Why is it at crotch height and why monastery never mind that. Just answer my questions here. You go if you don't know who's dick it is. It's not a sin. could be. Jesus be a miracle. It could be a miracle coming through the wall. But mickey in order to help cover that. She's a girl they also say that she's taken a valve islands. Bitch cannot shut off or stop yelling. She talks the entire episode when people right around her she's the opposite of jail them who an undercover hoping like charlie's angels type of episode but she just ruined it. She was not having any fun now. Want some wigs. Going on or something. Some wigs or the i was wearing latex. Ask entire time. That's one guy with a mullet. So obviously their hair their hair coat of lacks. Oh the hair was all over the place this episode out. I didn't learn that monks name. He was just bad hair. Monk in my notes doesn't matter matter that yeah. Yeah but now works i liked. I like some of the sneaking around. When mickey wasn't complaining when they were actually doing what they're supposed to do which is go. Find this pen like it very laverne and shirley like oh hijinks shirley. Scooby doo yes. Well they know they know that. The oracle of death is this brother curry. Who's in seclusion at this monastery. So they have to find brother. Curry wanna talk to you about your quilt pin. Right brother curry won't be able to be my shell. Ceiling brother simon. He too was him a vow of silence to get the pen. So there'd been sneaking around trying to get access to him and things like that so that's their goal. What are their monk names. I wrote them. Dominic matthew and simon matt matthew and simon from the yorkshire office office office. No one's going to do a yorkshire accent because it's hard also. When jack was writing in the little i guess introductory message is a good thing. I've got fourteenth century parchment. And okay why. It's just go skin. You you don't why are they. Okay i get so worked up about this technology. I don't understand why these monks are still using this old stuff. I think god if you use printer paper but like why would you have a fourteenth century technology for current invite like none of this monastery. Rules made any sense to know what people think amount of steer is going to be like again brought his pen and just walk up to the gaelic. Here's our here's our invitation like okay. Great come on end. nobody calls. Nope you're have a phone. That's what the guy had the carrier pigeon early on. How about sixty episode. I think we mentioned telegram regarding the real matthew. Simon meet unfortunately dense so telegrams problems here. But it's fun it's often. What are the things that i thought was off about the monasteries. There's no chapel Mike there should be a challenge where we were. Where is the meditation. It was this is. It's this weird firepit which superpig semi quasi for green chan going on. How does that happen but it also has everybody been reverend is one guy just like eating cheetos bag. I saw that church with this. Is your chapel. Like i'm assuming this is what you substituting is the chapel. This is your point. Focus for your monastery and eating cheetos looking at your sacred fire ever. I loved it. It's like wanted him to have cheetos. Whatever it was like plastic bag maybe happy. My favorite part is when they're they're out in the fields and they're being forced to work in bitching and of course one of the other brothers runs by one of the older like really old ones. Because the oracle death has made another prediction that the abbot is going to choke to death. Tonight has made another pronouncement. What is it this time. The abbot is going to die today. He's going to choke to at impossible. You don't even have an avid goo point. Perhaps been concern has been misplaced. But he's running and he's got his skirt hiked up past his knees like a disney stepsister. Disney stepsister babies so happy. His legs are all buckled. Because he's all of them. Durable thing i've ever seen the one trump. He's just so hype and he's all he could die because shedder well he will die he will die. But mickey's like ryan's like we'll. Hey what's the problem with that. You guys don't have abbott. You don't have a new abbot. There's no abbot abbas dead. You haven't picked a new abbot problems. Well relief thank you. Yea we'll worry about that anymore. I did enjoy his ebony scrooge pajamas oh yeah and then like. He had the step stool for the bed but he didn't need it. Get swinging as beat around the bed and you could touch the floor. It was like you're set dresser tried so hard addressing gown in nightcap. That guy he's like. I got games and i'm going to show them off. I hiked up my skirt before. I'm gonna show them all from the scene. I've only got three scenes. I'm going to show off my damn legs selling point in the bed. Your heart out betty grable so he. He gets promoted by letter to be added just normal. He's going to bed letter as he's going to get the memo. Oh by the way. You're the abbot by the and he's like good night self abbott and he's like a weight but it's too late can't be bed turns into this like collapsing tower of terror. Thing to get him and he's trying tear through all these membrane bits of bed do not choke to death. And it's bizarre sheets are holding him in place. And i had i actually. We used to have a housekeeper whenever she. She came in once a week whenever she did beds and couldn't move the death trap of sheets so that would have been made me that way. Have canopy bitcon slush the oracle death supposed to bring the whole vague. We're also having to deal with brother. Qua- why is it your found sneaking around looking for brother curry the other evening. We just wanted to see him in person that will be quite impossible. Brother couriers troubled man. His gift is his burden and his agony and he just assumed we left alone with it. That's why he's in seclusion in future. You will keep your mind on your three snaps. Her brother legua girl girl. I really got a kick out of his actor. Column count fox. I think his name is done somewhere. Yeah cone fox. Are you single line. He had he managed to get in this like sinister chuckle senators chuckle and also just like just a little bit. A bitch. just a little bit about old school. Hollywood joan crawford bitch and every single queer coded villain like scar like well if you can't tell who the villain is in this episode. I'm going to say every line like bills but toper totally worries. I love his name is la so of course. I'm calling her brother. Babies bulich wa not not look the quad babies debut babies. I got the reference. Thank you thank you thank you. I know that reference they. They figured out that. The pen was sold to rupert selden. Who was a businessman. Who's been accused of killing his business partner and then disappeared. They don't know how honest they don't have the pen. God from this guy to brother monastery brother curry gummy confused. I just gave up halfway through trying to figure out what's going on. Okay this is way too convoluted trash but because it was weird but the tim curry has a pen but he apparently he's an associate a it turns out that is actually rupert selden. He killed some guy and they went into hiding brother. Career was actually some guy named frank. Brothers from yorkshire. They know about the we will have to write up another time. We stopped too. Many innocent people have died already. Don't disappoint me frank. We made a deal. If it wasn't for me you'd be behind bars right now. It's better than shale cooped up here day out. No one to talk to knowing that every time you write in the diary someone else's going to die and they they had a book deal and he agreed to be locked up in the monastery for half a million dollar book deal can't keep torturing me like this. I wouldn't call splitting million dollar advance. The oracles life story exactly torture. I don't care about the money anymore. i care about the money. This is the eight of us dance. Tiny some and if you have a pin that lets you kill people. This is what you come up with this grand plan. Oh i also wrote down. Look what that was in. That scene has an evil cigar. Back to your point. If you said you couldn't figure out who the bad guy is. He's the one leading cigar and laughing about other people's ultimate game is to become the abbot. So he can sell the monastery for ten million dollars and make off with that money as well. Oh yes that's the whole game is but did you recognize brother curry deep cut. This is a deep cut for hartford. Canadian horror fans brother curry was mayor. Hannigan for my bloody. Valentine not again can't be happening. Galley gabby and he was also he was also in killer workout also known as a row beside which is another horrible horrible. Horrible horrible amazing. I'll have to keep an eye on that dreadful not speaking fees with death spots. You're gonna have to make a chart. I'm already but now he's a he's a. He's tons of canadian hard was it was. I was happy when i finally as i know. I know that phase. I know base but yes. He's he's being kept in seclusion. He's supposedly doing all the writing but he's not it's actually brother'll qua- doing all the writing and pending on brother curry for all of it. So we can't trace the actions directly to lacrosse. Uh see now. i'm confused la la slash. Th rupert. just made no sense to me. i was just i was. I didn't get any doing it this way i did. It didn't make a lot of sense. Even when i got it right so i don't blame you but food into their another. Another brother has been killed in. I'll now now. Jack has to step in and he shows up his brother. Lucky charms jack. We're i i find look and crop of burgundy grape. she predict. you're going to have a vintage year. We know an awful lot about where i come from. You know we prefer some the more hair on your chest and take laid out to get through. Thank you bless your brother here at manny down. But jack doesn't accent. Jack meet an effort. At least someone was doing an accident and trying to pass as from somewhere else fork. No reason for no reason. There was no reason for anybody to be doing from. I don't know maybe he got to yorkshire from ireland. Be i was brother lucky charms. He's made he's. He's found a photo of the pen. He found like the guy because he actually bought the pen before. It was cursed and gave it to uncle louis so he tracked down the guy he got it from. He got a diagram of it. So he's made a copy of it so the plan is to swap out the fake pen the curse ben. Yeah can do a switcheroo when they find it because they'll notice if we try to steal their object probably Well you know what's what is which would just take the objects and leave. Like what are they gonna do. Because then we don't get lucky charms. That's too easy. Yeah bosley coming into help. The yankees checkpoints are hopeless. Hopeless hopeless. Mickey can stop bitching and ryan. Just just can't stop using hitting on his cousin new if you think. I'm taking a communal shower. You've got another thing coming can't could have been worse bit. All it does is it on. It was like oh. Wow you're a pretty boy get your hands off. Get your hands off me. we're related. It could be worse. there could be only one bed. Stop the stop it. And we need to talk about the dungeon we do need to talk about the dungeon is urging eighteen. Why is it a very well. Let guillotine in the middle of the room whom your toys away and a skeleton is. Actually i mean some of this track. 'cause i know like certain things with monasteries go to rome churches where the alder is built with the bones of its former monks. Or you go down to the basement and they just have for display like the bones of several people who are important of the jerk took a torture chamber seems really specific since that for me but i would say i could see if we had that if this particular order has been running since the time of the banishing sadness not for torture the was invented for a quick and painless. Thank you but there are other things in there. Were tortures those cages separate mic. Let's get this stuff. Get the quick and painless for the french revolution. Which didn't happen can't nor did the spanish equalization. Why do you have the stuff. Why is it lack of wired. Their five hundred candles lit all the time. Who's coming in here in light in the torture chamber every day. Well maybe it's like a roommate shirt wheel like okay. Well it's brother. Francisco's turn light all the candles in the room. Justin curious we turn to put the shoes on the carrier. Pigeons time like a brother. The quads getting suspicious. I think some. Oh turn the fate with with curry with frank. So then he decides to get rid of brother curry. Right of god's chosen chosen dog meant coach is the author to sign is only recourse. Join the spirit and because he says. I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to live. This is worse than prison. I don't wanna do this and then you dislike. It was like cool. That's fine. i'll just kill you right now. Like no no thought. Process doesn't conflicted at all. He's like fine. I will take the real estate money and the book money probably detainee. But he doesn't need him. So oracle is no more and he commits predicts his own suicide by guaranteeing. If you gotta getting us they give. I guess i did shake off the ticket. If you introduce getting you gotta use it. We didn't introduce the eighteen and one those Sloppy checkoff canadian. Checkoff canadian native jacomb trade. Here okay sorry you just got quite check. He doesn't think we're being very funny. But here's a. He chops his own head off which is really dramatic. Everybody's fairly chill about all that too. Which is kind of amazing pets so normal about like. Oh well he stat. And that's that's confusing. We got to solve this mystery. He was he was tortured. Soul you know. But perhaps if you didn't have a guillotine this happened on had ideas but he notes go now. It's coming to brother-in-law's getting suspicious. That mickey and ryan aren't who they say they are or that they're there and then there's talking about the outdoor scene after we get brother lucky charms when we scare mickey with a spider. We learned that. Mickey is afraid of spiders. Because she's a girl in a horror thing. I'd say the girls are afraid of is making. She's miss sat and panties in the monastery. Oh my god. Can we talk about her sleeping vest. That's what i was going to go to because now like they're targeted created creatures grain. Spall at some dive. Power over larger mock. Such will be the unfortunate promise sign from me show. And she's like this whole set ninety thing and like her hair is the pillow. She might not have a pillow. It's all voluminous. Hair and tarantula comes in and crawls scherzer but turns out wasn't a big deal because brother lucky. Charms joins us and he goes. Oh not to worry this kind of spider. It couldn't have killed you like. Why do you know about all these animals. That's what he said. I'm playing the clip right now. He said cute little. Sarah i to me. It sounded like oh. What a cute little farah fawcett. Cute little farah fawcett. I played it three times. I still hear faucet. Maybe that's just what he calls fuzzy spider and then it turns out to spill. Didn't work where because she's under a different name so to spell had a spider to her but it wasn't poisonous spilled it know about that. But then the other people who actually had the name the actual brent. They actually died so it seems like the smell just didn't really know what the hell was doing. We are really inconsistent with the rules of the poison pen throughout this episode. And i really wanna talk about that inclusion also but also know what is seems to care that they have caused the death of two brothers in the yorkshire monastery. They're like whatever we were getting. Object back die. Because you're bad at your job because you had to take a shower and she's like oh he can't lead to be a girl again way to be be now again. What is while the time brother. Louie anderson to the people like That's not only a bad bad hair. Monk is like these people aren't who they are. I will talk one very corrupt monk. Yes when the chases finally on the gigs up and they're trying to they're trying to hold nonsense running around here who's got the pen. Where the who's got the pen but the swap out the pen. Where jackets busted by brother luc wa and blah polls at a gun. He's holding the gun. Would the like the worst like he has little crooked alabama and. I'm like. I dare you to fire that you'll break your arm. He's holding it like a nineteen forties. Fem vitol thank you very much. Like the tiny little and that fits in your purse. He's holding like jessica rabbit hole helmet but jack looks at him and goes around bones and can all the gun however she wants. Jack looks at him and goes. I thought you were meditating. But i- premeditating episode. Yes but then it all ends up with honky do like. He's he's like i'm going to. I've got my pen bag. And i'm going to write your warren's right now but he oh this piece of paper that happens to be right here on this. I was just trying to murder your with. We'll be sufficient. I will write a story about the monk who assumed someone else's identity will meet a bad fate and then it turns out his name's already signed on him. Now all i have to do is sign. Your name which i could have done already when i just said. This person is going to die. But now i have to side your names and announced. I'm signing your name so that you can catch me in my own. The impostors came to the monastery oozing as months to meet certain came to remove the sacred pen from its rightful owner but tragedy will strike this monkey. Now all i have to do is fill in your names. Never right to watch rupert or name on the original invoice. We've never announced that those are the rules of the pen. We were always oblique about all these other monk identities when we were predicting their debts down. And did you name have to be just on the paper. Not any kind of context. That's what it seemed like. That's what it's okay okay. Your name is already signed because oh you know what we didn't talk about is how jack identified his handwriting because he always writes in calligraphy. Jack because that's totally forensics and also calligraphy is just handwriting. Not something that takes five times as long for no reason Jackson can a guy who has to one up. Everybody whatever you do. He's got this episode in the last episode. We'll get into the wrap up because the last episode. I want to talk about the wrap up as well that we didn't cover but they were going to be for patriot on people but yes. I'll have we get a flying guillotine blade chasing around with nine and hear them exactly. Misses him the first time. Like lodges itself in the wall like oh well i guess we fooled that kirk. I wanted it to like make the singing sound noise singing sort of stuck in the chasing down. And he's got the guts. The cast corner by a dump pointing. Mickey goes really expected to fold for. You don't expect me to fall for that do you. Why tell him let him die. He's trying to kill you mickey. He's doing your job for you. Mickey shut up. Thank you have to do is that. The blade came around the corner. Saw him backed up. Kinda get an extra momentum if real good even the guillotine blade was gay and his episode of our hold on bam. I just come hurtling around the corner. But i'm gonna make this dramatic you saw y'all say hold on watch this see. I'm doing stuff on camera now that you can't see but it's hilarious. Oh it's hilarious. It the ball one episode is that we were robbed robbed fashion choices. Best sleep fest. All the way has it's like little halterneck it buttons down the front. It looks like the least comfortable thing to sleep in and like high waisted eighties panties pans. They'll do that. She was in like some. Victoria's secret like stack what what happened. If there was a he was no better to be perfectly honest using some surfer t shirt and boxer shorts. What happened there was a fire. You guys we're gonna get busted anyway. You have to keep this up twenty four hours make you come on now. Neither of them is very good at it. They've set out to do so. Do anything in this episode. Jack did all the work is here. So jack what things. Worse stay found brother curry the first time. And that's when qua- was who he is taken a bow silence and he talked to you. That's it that's all they did. They were pretty useless. Pretty much to complain and for sex sexual chemistry. Stop stopping related. You are related. We have not forgotten but she didn't she bring her fiance this episode. You want to go back to let it be. My guest i wanted to do is get married and settled down. And i'm here to why can't you. Why can't you get married. Well this is the second episode. She seems to have given up per entire life. Go work at the curio store. And the husband of the fiancee's cool with it doesn't want to visit her. There's a lot of issues that at the end of that last episode were jack was like i've always been fond of the name curious goods and i'm like so you just kind of waltz dan you've taken over the business and you've decided you're living with them to. They've had no say now. I live here. This is like okay. There's a problem there's a poison pen in a monastery you guys are going in and i'm going to stay here. I think this is jack's plan all the time and he just manipulated. Mickey what's to do is really good. You out of danger. And i pro- i applaud him for that. He does it with a smile and charming. He's like i'm so cute and fuzzy. And i'm adorable. Haag hauge and the better than you about everything. Oh artists can always recognize his own work. i can do an accent trying to get laid. And mickie's whining. Because she wants to get married. Uh this is this is a good group. The churches were hard. But i didn't know that. In the opening scene mickey was wearing a modified version of award winning outfit from last time away. She the denim shirt except it was she taken all the bedazzle things off and it was cut to the waste like a jacket but it was the same blowzy cut up at the top of the moms. Step mom's hideous. Oh oh the repurpose it It's not that. I'm just gonna pick this off this corpse. And make my agra girl to take it back and at the last possible second ryan won the worst out for the ward when he's sitting there on the dating scene talking about ordering food with the poison pen and he's wearing white pants. Rolled up has the ankles loafers. No socks aren't prince shirt looking like he's going to margarita villain and i'm like. Oh no no no. No no no no no. I do guys back then when middle school high school. That was the thing that we're socks. Still see it now. I see it now in the finance bros. There they're like it's the summer i don't need socks and i'm like you need socks. You're in a dusty old antique store. You did not wear white pants. Ooh yeah. But he's not a practical thinker. He's applauding a working gross. Still around you're going to be covering craps rose rose grows okay for my alternate casting. Mine's a little off of gender-blind. I would like to see in the role of brother. Look w-we joanna lumley from ab fab not doing not doing patsy. But just doing herself. That woman can do cold like she's the fairy godmother to right. Yeah yeah yeah but that woman that woman knows how to deliver cold and like she would be terrifying and fabulous yeah. I'm here for that. I've got one your okay. So the the monkeys writing the to curses in the dying. The temporary rank sure. Have veronica cartwright do it. 'cause she can do crazy and just whining like nobody else. I'm so happy with her going to. I like a dutch. Be there you go. I mentioned cover. Our i love roddick akhara chicken wrong. That'd be scared my i. I'm not scared. I'm pausing i'm letting you do that as long as you want. No i wanna see dom deluise as better monk. He was already so close. And i'm just like seeing him like interacting with doing the mill mohair. Monk reminded me of a deep cut. But rick do come on who the comedian from the rick demont. He's a comedian from the eighties. He was in the burbs. He looks like a frat bro. Has gone to seed. If you looked up you would know how right. I am okay. We also didn't talk about bad here coming back with an ax. I will be happy to change this to include you as well rather. Oh because we yeah. We needed to establish the show wasn't shitting on all months. Judge really bad corrupt ones. So bad hair. Monk when he learned that la slash rupert was full of shit and trying to sell. The monastery for profit came back and threatened with a giant axe before the magic guillotine ended up killing him. Yeah good can be good thing that we might have been a less violent way to south a confrontation no i. I like ax murder but for as far as moscow. The might have been better choice. Perhaps meditation maybe some meets. Eat some cheetos in front of meditation fire for well. I don't know. I got all think is with the monastery with a working. Gt the ax is going to have a heart attack the ever walk in there. Well that's just show them into the people in the shower. And i get it now. You need to have properly lit. Guillotine conditions. russia mandate also. The shower was all like fluorescent lit. Every like else is panels and then the showers hours. I'll shower choice. And there was also one hunchback in one of the background seen one hundred one hunchback but that was that was actually brother bad hair. Yeah yeah. I noticed that too. I went back and look sneaking around sneaking around. Remember for some. I guess he was like no one will recognize me with his hump. I mean they all the same outfits on trump is something yeah well. It's better than the one who is walking on his knees. I miss that. I'm gonna literally a half second half seconds shot. Yeah okay yeah. It's just before they they stumble on the flagellation. That's a hard work to say. I know i. I got stuck on flagellation guy i was like is he really hope he is. He's going for it so i don't know. Did you listen to the episode. No let's see there was a whole segment. i have to cut this up this whole segment. I broke in the middle. Where i found this Interview interview but it was a whole thing with beauty and the beast. tv show. Oh linda hamilton the permit. Yeah he was doing it. A judge prior to the thirteenth the series on fi marathon. And he's talking about stuff. And he's all like i just made a whole bit of it but at one point is like i wanna watch my face for this. It's like do you remember song from the eighties which had a female voice going. I get my kicks above the neck. That was roby. no-one. I get my kicks above the waistline so no. I don't remember that no was not roby. And that's how we know rump. Permanent straight oh no no and there was an interview with robey also where she in this where she had iron hair and she's just like really spacey and she's like it was just total. Cast like carlife became total total chaos. And we're talking about. Maybe are you talking about you. I just decided that once. He said that my clearly. This was uncle louis up his old tricks again. And they're emma's of the devil trying to fool me. But i just wanted to see my face because you're just got really small well. Patrick also knows that cost by boy. And i have an affection for perlman and Will you know what it's not his fault it was all. He was clearly reading a teleprompter. What was on the teleprompter. I get my kicks above the neck. What the fuck that. I only get kicked in the face. And i haven't been going usable cedar jazz in a while but i used to be able to get up here. She gets a butcher legs. Higher time need to stand on one of them at least amateur but what. Where is the queer on this show. I said well. I don't know yet but if i thought about i'm like well. We have bunk. Lewis seems to be unmarried. All confirmed bachelor is bachelor running an antique shop. Oh yeah yeah he wants to tell you about all the little details you know. This means that and yeah. He's only relations. Jack jack who taught him all this magic until all of a sudden your ticket in a different way and now they're not friends anymore and oh gosh. There's found that i've found that. That's why he's he's in love with uncle louis and lucky ozone one last thing. That's why he's helping them and that's why he feels entitled to the shop even if they weren't married on paper it was there that was it Oh it's like a voldemort. But the harry potter. Oh the door. And the johnny depp character. Okay i g k rowling has gone so much like shit into that universe. I'm sorry you didn't know you stepped on a nerve. There's a big nerve there now. She's like away from the mic and the books own books could've been black will not according to the illustrations in the books bank. You not crazy 'lustration actually. I think it's a book. Three or four. there is when describing her mind as reaction to something that scares her. The phrase white faced is used so shut the fuck up and sit down and use your billions of dollars for something useful. Well she also trump a lot. So i like her for that. I mean i like that but there's a lot of people yelling at trump blind date. You wrote it stick to it. Stop right conning. i'm not buying it. Yes you could write a book with an actual person of color lead. But yes. That's the episode. And if you want from this episode. Hello there's a glory hole in the goddamn shower and a monastery. Women are not allowed even to visit. Come on now come on brother. Look thing i. I loved him. I loved him i loved. I love him so much and he's going to back two more times where he is what we have both ham killed it actually all three. All three of the brothers are backing. Other episodes is different. People do that was his only six actors in well. We've gone through them all. Can you come back. We'll give you a wig. Yeah that's probably exactly what it is star trek. They just make him into a different accent. So can brother jack So they wrap up this episode. Sometimes uncle louis the dreadful things. Maya what you got going on anything cool I can't announce anything right now but everyone should keep an eye on the social media for brooklyn theater club. We're going to do a show in december and it's gonna be fun when you're hanging with bated breath. It's always suspenseful with you mind. I'm absurd trays Then had chili secret secret. I had no vegetables in now on track. No point okay. I want an actor. I don't have anything which is cool things in life. Trae anything cool. Okay okay. I do i do god. What would you do this weekend. Train see street at the alamo draft house. that's awesome. Yeah they're they're doing a horror movie film festival the first year this thursday through sunday. So i'm going to that eighteen. Different movies And some direct. I think it's the lodge is going to be the showcase one. The lodge coming movie lodge at the british. One woman snowbound a cabin with her two step children who hate her and things get really dark call. Those are also doing one called porno about a christian movie theater. Who i've seen that. Yeah have you okay. If the showing that screen it's fun and their David isn't real done of that. But boy whose his imaginary boyfriend or friend comes to life when he's an adult and starts to screw step up. Patrick bunch of those lately. Like i'm excited for judge. Rabbit like everyone else is but it started when there were a few detective stories. Where like they were hallucinating. Their partner who died in some tragic miscommunication movie from the eighties. Did that is not right. Said fred did something like that drop. Drop dead fred fred. Okay right said fred. Patrick do you listen to. How did this get made. of course i do. They didn't drop dead for that. Was there must continue episode. Actually two of them love them movie to hate it. I haven't. I haven't seen drop dead fred since the eighties so i would. I skip that one. Because i don't know what you need. Listen to plugging and of course. Starting this thursday is the countdown to halloween. Von here on scream queen. So yeah fifty shows in fifteen days. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah it's going to be crazy crazy. Yeah we've already got three hundred dollars in donations and it just put the thing up today. Yes twenty three hundred to go all right. Thank you very much for joining me this month. Then maybe we'll meet again next month unless of course you know on the off chance that uncle louis behaves himself but really what are the because i know he hasn't because next time we're going to be talking about a cup of time episode three. That's a good one rock and roll and get an old barn. And t t. He's got nothing on this version. No no don't drink don't drink take all right. Thank you very much for joining me. So it is with that. I bid my beloved shopkeepers. 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Because this particular cure shop is now officially pleasant evening and so my beautiful beautiful screamers. I think it just might be safe to say that. We have managed to navigate the final friday the thirteenth in twenty twenty without any casualties although twenty twenty. It's been the kind of year that wouldn't surprise me that they do not. Oh by the way december all friday the thirteenth thirty one of them enjoy them by the surface. You might be thinking. That'll be awesome. And i'm just thinking thirty one spectaculars. Go fuck yourself. Now i love you that much. I love anybody that much. Okay so i want to say every before we wrap things up. I want to say thank you to my fellow shopkeepers. Over there at the very curious curios. Shop meyer murphy. And trade killing it as they are every month when we decided to tackle another episode of friday the thirteenth series. Because you know on the regular show you gotta have to wait till friday. 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Back one of the double screens actually. Yeah one of the first pandemic saturday double features were wanting to do out happy. Happy fund might movies because everything was so bad. That was one of the ones i showed. And it got huge response and it meant a lot to me because it is one of my favorite movies is so ingrained into who i am and yet is such a little seen movie that i it was it. Did this old heart good to see people respond to it so well know where to find it and then after that matt and hands hobby cubby back remember. They were on for which we better talk about the clash of the titans. The original version from one thousand nine hundred eighty one with harry hamlin maggie smith a robot owl. Medusa was crazy again. And lots of men and long claws horror jason and also just a little bit sleazy. That's oh it. So that's what's going on for the rest of november. Since the friday the thirteenth particular was surprised. I'm putting episode that a little more quickly than usual. 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