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QLS Classic: Prodigy

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QLS Classic: Prodigy

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With albert johnson aka queens birds finest prodigy from the infamous mob team. Still with us on the plane. He passed away a month after this episode. I if he's promoting his commissary kitchen prison cookbook at the time but we also got the chop it up about his life growing up as a kid do parents his grandmother's dan school cuiaba for michael. Peters queens bridge in the eighties fights be beats life. Diamond and gunned wakeup calls. And yeah. that's something. James green a special encore presentation of culas classic with rapper prodigy and his co author. Kathy delete son remote roll. Call self primo roll. Roll call suprema so free. This is quest free so free role five days in the building checkout my rhymes q. l. s. family. Your beef is mind of us role so pretty much anymore. Call on name. Is sugar sugar. Steve anita sugar-free commissary. So my boss. Bill winter despising gin now. Sam purchase rising. Oh so so free. Roll call brava free. Paid bill rapidly. Wraps i hope you can hear me. Roll roll free role. Yeah yeah my. I will be better if i rambled books. Roll roll. call name is cathy. I'll write those books. Lie can read them for told me p. h. eighty nine. See we own this show. Mother galley a roll-call free free role. That was not bad. That wasn't bad. Got through ladies and gentlemen welcome to another edition of course love supreme. Is this our first double coverage. I double guest. Pete rock and smoke desert. Okay being talk much. Diso also the episode. The angelo came in and was spunky more. Well ladies and gentlemen episode. Well i feel like every episode. Of course love supremes special episode. So make the meredith baxter. Birney of a special meredith baxter. Birney episode of course loves the pre We have though like one of my frickin heroes like what my rhyming heroes. A cultural in the world of music not above hip hop above. I mean music. Just a for me like one of the illustrate writers poets. Mc's to me. He has the best opening lines. Yes wrap yes. We'll talk more about but we will. Yeah i'll tell them all the time you have like four bars and get my attention. But he kind of made it even worse because it's like the door you only got one bar so right mean these gentlemen please welcome prodigy of yoyo go. We have his co conspirator Now what makes it great. Is that our special guests. Kathy's kind of family to Some of us cost supreme premiums that have started on the okay player boards. She's my favorite lauren. Hill stan of all time right off the game. Or i mean that's how you came to my attention. I was like who. I mean before the day of social media. I mean okay player. Was the original twitter that was the original bash. It was gladiator school man. It was like gladiator school. We i feel like we pioneered the social media game before social media was a thing now for real and i. I just knew that this person was standing. Taking lauren. hill stands to the next level. That's how you got my attention. But i mean you blossomed to your own as a writer. I mean you've written for a lot of periodicals and from bt dot com to i mean all billboard down pitchforks work etc. Pitch were wow. That's which also collaborated with prodigy on on his book. Yes the proper title is commissary kitchen. Infamous prison cookbook. This is the first book you worked on now but legally can say this first book i've worked goes right. Welcome i i gotta say prodigy that. I'm i'm really not big on hip-hop autobiographies actually having read where myself i mean. There's a lot of books that have been written by hip hop luminaries. But i gotta say none. You said you're not a fan of hip hop autobiographies wrote one. But i'm just saying that it's usually for me like most people that are amazon. Were really. don't open up as much. It's almost like a moment of their childhood. And then they came to music man and yeah. It really doesn't really doesn't let you like inside of like the mechanics of what makes them work as a person like you know the personality like there's really not much you learn from the d. m. x. book or snoop book like those things so but i'm just saying that or even the ghost facebook. You know what i'm saying. Which exactly like. It's more of a comedy book team in. Like alive story but I guess us read it like three years ago. Like is this a gripping astori man. I listen to audio book on tour like we ran. We had to do like a long to run and we had the audio book and that got us through the whole tour s it was crazy. Yeah so prodigy. I'm not gonna say it was like all in this. You know i'm actually. This is a rarity favorite part of proud of these stories. Actually his beginning. I know we all like to you. Know not the good part. But i mean you you come from a lineage. That i didn't know we have some in common. We're both products of doo-wop. I won't say dynasty but you know you grew up actually with to do uh parent there. Yeah yeah who's your father. johnson. He know my grandfather's named johnson. Also but my father's blood johnson. He was in a group called the chances now. Your grandfather was a jazz musician de johnson. Senior he He was not big into jazz and like Big band him in quincy started a big band together dizzy. Gillespie a bunch of different people men like my grandfather used to have all these jazz. Oh jeez come into the career. When i was a little kid so i used to be in a crib and disease. Make the face off for me in orlando was crazy going around all that 'cause i didn't realize what was happening until i got older and think back about it like. Oh wow that's i was in grandfather hanging around on jazz greats like you know what i mean by. I ain't really appreciate his style of music until i got older. You know what i mean. I it wasn't. I just didn't get it when i was a kid. Did it click. Like i was around like no one ever gets it when like parents music when you're kidding only when you're older but right but at a high school is like i'm not even understanding so i'm probably like probably like yeah in high school when when i first started making beats Not understood like the power more grandfather's music because we would sample a lot of jazz records. You know what i mean. And he left me like his collection his jazz collection. We made a lot of the first album. Infamous in juvenile hell. Yeah from grandfather was Records shook loans's made Hancock records was record screen so it was like once we got to that point. We was like actually research new records and using certain samples oldest. I understood the power wooded jazz music. And and i started listening to it like more in depth in paying attention to it. Then i started to you know appreciate what did he take any of his shows when you were younger. Halley man. I remember being so many shows but wants a one in particular that stand out. A lot is at the blue note grandfather used to performing and i said the ball my pops and i should think i'm drinking. You know what. I mean possibly ordering a real drink and he will offer me like seven up with the same thing. I'll be sitting at the ball drinking like a little kid. I mean at the ball. So i got memories like that and my grandfather performance on me and my pops in at the ball watching him you know just different different shows and whatnot and their man. I was lucky. I would definitely feel blessed got. I got a chance to see him before. You know what. I mean our amendment. David makes it more special because i know earlier. You told me that you're about to do a residency at blue. Nah nah yes crazy. Crazy crazy being in there. We did the first show last month. Okay and it's crazy being in there. Because i just places like it because you know when you're a little kid. Everything seem bigger tonight. So now dan. This is smaller than memories. But it's like it's so surreal being in their performance. Just remember my grandfather doing it so it was crazy. How you know things turnaround Come full circle. Was he a horn player. Yeah clarinet antenna saxophone. Okay and even before that I think you're great grandfather started. Morehouse my great. I think he was like three times. Great great great. Great grandfather like You know lucky you are to even know firsthand man like i just found out who my grades were like two weeks ago man but like the fact that you know the history of your great great great my mother she did a genie genealogy okay and you know she researched and if you have some other family members they did the same thing and research and we found our whole family like you know what i mean plus we had a lot ma ma ma grandmother mama sides. She keeps a lot of family photos. And just history of stuff so we were able to put pieces together. Connect dots like you know what i mean so it was pretty pretty interesting man. I learned a lot about my family while i was locked up. Memorials used to write me and tell me use this in your book. Petition your book this is important. You know what. I mean so And your mother was a member of the crystals day malls like walking down the street. Somewhere on new queens. Whatever we she was at and somebody stopped doing eight. Can you sing. She was like no really and they was like you show. We need extra because one of the members dropped out right so they convinced the door she was only eighteen. They convinced the door and she became part of the group and went right until you know what i mean. So it was kinda crazy She's mid sixty that she was a well. It was just like random like somebody just. She just so happened to be walking down the street and they stopped it. Like 'cause i guess you know my mother. She was very pretty. Light is so they had the say. They stopped layup. Can you sing. We you need you in his group come on. And y'all like a generational new york family like is that with mojo families from southside jamaica queens and before that they come from texas and virginia. You know what i mean. Yeah the crystals are for our listeners. i would always say that like. I grew up in a oldies family but similar to like parents today. Like i'll say like kamal from the roots. My keyboard player tricked his kids into thinking. Like michael jackson was brand new. You know as a parent trying to take your kids into like you know like my production manager Like his sons. Think that like air being rock him is new Even kirk my guitar player place slick rick so much for his son that is actually the first time he ever had to reprimand his son about school project. And i heard these words. He's like son. You can't bite someone else's rhymes kindergarten. Some do right in this league. I thought it was going to go somewhere. Linked the ball great said that he took like plagiarized. Like some of children's story it made his own own joint but like this. I'm just fascinated. How parents will trick you into thinking that. That's your contemporary music. So i grew up just with an oldies due out dead that would always play like the crystals harvey moon glows like all these groups so like you know. I grew up thinking like he's a rebel. Was like some new shit. When i had the forty five at home so yeah i was. I was surprised to find that out. So like in the beginning did you. Did you have any designs of being an entertainer. Where you just like observing it. And just like that's they're sitting dead Nah in the beginning. I i really didn't know what i wanted to do until i lotto like that. Maybe like twelve thirteen. And i heard i think it was when i first heard know. Ll cool j. In a run dmc suck game season rock. The bells heard those songs. That just changed every thing in my life. I mean that made me. I just wanna do this. This is what i like. I used to play the songs from mobile. Check this out. And i mean i used to play a full matter of fact used to say rock kings rams to my mom's act like i wrote it she blah. Oh you always depend boys as you are. Rock adams like vocal. I'll know just just just my voice said so I should say. I should say rockin ron my mom's as she used to play. God you really good. And i say nine. Am rat momma rap. But i i got some on air bombings when i was like twelve thirteen before that You know like like you said it was a lot of a lot of drop in crib like you know. soul music. You know what. I'm saying a lot of church and music. You know what i mean. You were born where you born long island or house born in hempstead long ahead. Sardine flavor talk about him. Stead and date. Chuck deflate town right next to me. Rose roosevelt okay. That's right next to him so we all like to. I know that sometimes about him stay pm. D was a brentwood from brentwood hempstead. Remember sunday. Beserk yes wow beserk this. Yes i love that you just brought up for me son of beserk. I feel like. I'm the only person that got that record in worship the shit out of is it go outside to the store and son of deserve to be outside where he leo up kayla. All voice say we was like the little deuce using the studio is a famous studio in the hempstead. Public enemy started in. Son of production. Here is called five ten. Yeah yeah so. That's where we all started out there sometime. So that's what we all started so everybody used to be over there and we see everybody over there But yeah matt like hempstead method man from terrorist terrorist chanting who else from out there Rock marcy outcome edge. That you know Those are the food that i can remember so like what eventually brought you to the the city to queens When i turn like eleven. Twelve malls moved to left wreck. She moved to left rexiti Home apo- split up. 'cause my pop said just some crazy. Some publicist wild man. he Kidnapped me took me to detroit. We was living in detroit for many balling out of control. He was working stock market. Doing some crazy shit and When you live in detroit and this is like early eighties phase three because my pop took me to wait why my pop took me to the movies in detroit when at the premier scarface i came out. So that's what i was out. There are nine nine yards pop culture shooting. He was seven. That was real. Bob may he's off the man that that Boys something he was something else man was he a musician as well or like. Yeah he was a singer. Nonni like. I say he had that group to chances. Do i write that a couple of dope songs. You know what. I mean But my was was computers. An early eighties. He i remember being like probably filed six years old. My father was working on macintosh writing programs. You know what i'm saying. He was really really dealt with it. i think is a school called. Tci i think it's called tci Mcfarland went there and he actually got so good. He became a professor day started teaching. He was in the commercials and all that after he got really nice with it and You know that's what he was into computers heroin alcohol karate. My head doja on jamaica avenue. I mean so he used to teach karate back. Gopher computer is very crazy man. Pas life was wow is it was while That was his thing. He loved computers and he loved fighting. Just doing why should he was crazy. And i know that you. You have a closeness with the your grandmother as well as she was an ra. My grandma grandma was l. She was She was one of the first. Cotton club dances. When they first opened the concl- way back and You know she was friends with lena. Hone you horn. Used to dance the early before she became famous You know and that's something Met my grandfather because my grandfather used to play in the band at kind club. So that's how they met and You know ethnic grandmother started a dance school business in the basement her crib on the guy brewer and she started with like five students. You know what i mean. And it just grew and grew over the years and to the point where she started renting the building and then grew to the point where she actually bought her own commercial building acquaintances like the first black woman to own a commercial. Space in queens. So you know it was a dan school business right on me. She was that was her thing dancing so a lot of her students man. She has some famous students that she She raised like ben. Vereen is one. She raoult's editing like okay. Okay and He's all the time like you know what i mean. And anytime he has something going on we used to watch it in the crib. I haven't seen routes thousands of times. You know what i mean. That's like everybody gets together. Watch ben ben is on michael pitas. He's a famous choreographer. Michael jackson michael. Peterson was my grandmoms. Thousand students did beat it. He don't like that was like event. Same thing like a matter of fact the in the knife knife that oh he's the one that got their hands tied up. We're gonna do to me. And i was like but you can't dance better than michael jackson. He walked away with me so much. Our remember when. I was a little kid like. We floated kelly because a lot of her students living tallying when So he's the florida kelly and visit them. She used to take years and business. And michael used to take me to universal studios all the time favorite place. When i was a little kid. I go again with this job. I've been like hundred thousand dollars. Thousand my favorite shit. Like you know what i mean but Yes so this is. This is like my grandmother's life. She she This thing and the dance world and she got a lotta choreographed choreographers. And she She helped a lot of people in as far as that were so i drove a lot around her concert. She would do these concerts every year and lincoln center at the paulo at carnegie hall. You know Every year she would do like a big concert in So you were a backstage kid. Me and my cousins would be backstage while looking at the girls dressing saying within my backstage as watch old old dudes smoke reefer in the show but he had a better backstage experience. Dan especially my grandmother's dan. Schools like joins be hundreds girls from queens sake. That was like our that was mad. I used to love that. Plays and i was a little kid man. We have so much fun running around jamaica avenue and you know having fun man with all the girls and crazy crazy growing up like you know mean so when. When did you physically. You move the queen's in so. I'm going to queens after detroit or yeah had to be like eighty four okay. Eighty four eighty five or more left from my mom's she got divorced from my pops after he kidnapped me in. She was tight. You ain't doing no more man. How does he find you. She she pops said actually took me on a robbery where he went and robbed jury store and that shit piss malls off. 'cause i mean we got into high speed that's county police is chasing us and he finally pulls over because he realized i'm in the car he he jumps in the car and throws a big ass bag jury in my hand like this whole knows juries. And he's flying through hempstead on long island and you know finally he pulls over you know i remember the cop. Put me in the back in pop sands locked obama's back. I remember holding up saying it had me in the back seat. Wouldn't i know what was going on. Like i was too young to even prosecute would fuck. It was happening Get to the precent. Police gave me a soda. I remember sitting there drinking a soda. Moms can get me. And i remember Arguing apart flipping on a lake and my kidnapped me right to that. You know i mean because she was. Y'all can't be with you know more so he took me to detroit and Almost found was that she threatened. You know call the cops on him so he sent me back or whatever memorial then. We moved to left right and I went to school in love frank. I went to junior high school and left. I went to halsey right across the street from long very closely from the lie. Gotta cross ally to get over to the high school. I'll i'll say that the the picture that i always think of when i think of queens is more or less the picture that you guys painted on the infamous there but was it always like that when you first got to to queens. Was it that because you paint a dark. What was queens. Lite i meant that this is when crack first came out when moore left right frac just hit the street brand new. You know what i'm saying. I'm in junior high school. I'm twelve years old all the little kids my age crack in the neighborhood. You know what i'm saying. I used to go to school. And she's learning as broke change. Levies and max. I'm like what the fuck is disney story like these little kids like you know what i'm saying with big jury on looking like eric being rock on the cover the album right. I'm saying and then you know. I started getting cooler with people out there and they started telling me what they doing. You know what. I mean and left records big time for like selling crack. Well known left rag cities like big big big time crack neighborhood like you know what i mean and left. Records is property. Left frank yeah okay. 'cause i always. I think we're not capacity used to call it left iraq. That's not gonna say that. Frank is iraq queens bridges kuwait and. I'm okay but Yeah so left. Rack as i was out there This is when crack. I hit so you know. All my friends aren't going to junior high school they crack and you know once i got cool. They told me what they were doing. I was like man. Let me try my hand at that. I want someone a chain to you. Know what i'm saying. I want to fly like so hope. Don't want them homies from school. He gave me a few vows. He was i start with this. You know what i'm saying. If you do this off. Good come back against them more like you know what i mean so i went out. I'm twelve years old. I'm looking like eight. When i was twelve a little eight year. So you definitely found the fountain of youth. So i want my thirties or forties. Now like i go outside with the little cracks. Me and whatnot and i'm super paranoid. I never saw a crack in my life. You know what i'm saying. So i'm like i'm looking at random nervous. Walking up to me like you guys. I'm like i'll pay full scared when i look just like that fucking paranoid anyway. I think i saw one val and police me. You know first time down police. Random for me graham. Fuck you doing out here. found the cracks. Do know twelve the fuck you light a little kid a real little kid like go home fuck you doing. And he just took. The cracking sent me on now. Explains what happened with cry crap. He'll saying he li- your happened. I'm like yo police just took it and they let me go away. Now you got that bridge son. So we have a scrat- you know what i'm saying at school. He wanted scrat- i lost. You know what i'm saying. I'm taking my jacket off. He snuffed me. I'm oh shit. So these girls you don't some girls. I knew from the brooklyn. Leave him alone. Leave him anyway. I i ain't fucked with the crags more wise. This is four minutes minute. And you know. I just i just was just cool with everybody today. I wasn't trying to you know really selling drugs to get caught up too much for me like you know what i'm saying and then Once i went to high school. And i may have so They had brought me out to queens. When i first went to high school i met him. And he introduced me to that whole world's different now module. When i was when i was a kid my mother my mother all life. She worked for the housing authority so she works in all the projects in york brooklyn. Harlem queens in queens is one of the practices that she working a job was she would get people approved for their apartments. You know what i mean. So they come to her to apply friday. She worked in the office on the hill. Queens bridging you know people are gonna come to hud. She decided sign them. You know what. I'm saying that they make enough money to live in the projects or subsidize rent Whatever works everybody wanted to be her friend so she worked in queens queensbury. When i was a little kid. You know what. I'm saying to go with her to work in the summertime. this is before. I'm having all in I went to can't like walls at work. She would drop me a day. Camp on a hill called reese. I was already out there for a few years when i was a little kid. I met a bunch of people and it just happened two years later. You know once. I left with a high school in the city. Man has now back in queens bridge. Older now and i'm saying people are mental. When i was a kid from from day. Champion all right but It was just being back out there. And just seeing how quiz like just a whole nother world like the fashion the slang like just. Everything's different. Okay can you explain something to our listeners by our listeners listeners mean me what is the done language and what is genesis other done language. Dun dun dun dun language that's like saying we cats and sweden that talk the aftermath. What done it was like. What are you talking about it. So when our homeys when our home east from queens british. His name is bumpy He got like a speech. Impediment may speak like lisp. A little bit. You know what i'm saying so you know we call each son and when bumpy say that so he knows how so. That's yeah. Yeah but i show when i write my rhymes. I'll try to a shorthand short as possible to right d you in just a writer real quick and get it out of the way you know what i'm saying so it's like two different spellings when do but whatever That's where it started with bumpy. You know what i'm saying. We just started calling. He created the done language. That's what we thank you. Yeah south of bump man. But once i got out there and i i just seen how that world wasn't queens bridge and i remember being out there kid when i was out there was like super early eighties lake. Probably the juice crew was popping laid back along. Those guys are young back in the days. You know what. I'm saying when i was in day camp but i remember how they used to dress. They used to have the shelter. They had 'pumas with tall one suits chango. I remember seeing people dressed like that. When i was a kid so i know that was like private juice crew and then when i came back later on you know it was. It was new things happening. You know what i'm saying. It was like the air was starting to change. You know what i'm saying. Things are starting to change. And i was like right. Smack dab in the middle of a man and You know it was just interesting to see being from hempstead and going to school in manhattan. You know while matt have. We went to high school with everybody from new york. Different boroughs brooklyn the bronx. You know mahan queens. They there was some and his art and design. You know what i mean. So we have friends with people from all over borough so we used to hang out you know. We used to party in the bronx of by yankee stadium. Sheridan we used to know. Hang out in brooklyn and best style. Marcy talking some the you know what i mean. We used to lose out there. You know what i'm saying. Was there ever any hesitation whatsoever. Because i know if you go to different parts of town that you're not necessarily from it could be a caution thing like you know. Yeah you gotta be careful man. I mean look growing up. You know what. I'm saying this this is this is where things change for a little bit. I my first year. High school Those gang colder the septa cones. You know what i'm saying. And i used to come to school in the morning and Ice ac- people come to school. My friends at school. Big as cuts going across the face. Oems hands like buck fifties as phases. Spliced opening like you know what. I'm saying i'm like what the fuck happened to you sir. The deceptive conscious corson train station. I'm like i'm like yo nagazine cutting me like that dog. Move buying a gun right now. 'cause then they cut me like that. Louis news twisted. You know what. I'm saying so that kind of it kind of forced me in a position where i was like. I'm defense protect myself. Like you know what i'm saying right. So that's what. I bought my first gun because it that you know what i'm saying because i was gonna let white cut me in the face like that. You know what i'm saying. And they was running around doing this on a daily like this is what they was doing was from brooklyn like you know what i mean is was just a gang. It was called the septa cons. They had a female version called the nets. They had another game called. The low lives at another game called I can't think of it right now. But dad does this gang coaching from brooklyn. You know what i'm saying and we had to deal with that 'cause after school they would come up to different schools in terrorized fucking robbing that you know what i'm saying so with force me and my little tight friends to be awesome bullshit if forced us to be on some bullshit. You know what i'm saying. And that's that's when the boosted started a little bit like you know what i'm saying and then You know also growing up a hempstead. You know that's like that's a hood out there. You know what i'm saying. It's a residential area. Got houses look nice. But that's the hood him step wasn't be the cozy part of long island long island of like. Oh that's a vacation spot or yeah nine nine you. Where'd you grow their bill. I grew up a few miles north. Hempstead okay a little distant part where you cross the track as soon as you cross the track called trackside right so as you cross a track. Oh oh you're in. The hood certainly explained that on his episode. That i had a lot of friends out there. We did a lot of things and you know it. Put me on some shit mentally. You know what i'm saying. Just in my pops already had meals shit mentally but then going to school in manhattan you know what i really kinda changed me. 'cause i start hanging out on all the different boroughs have friends from different boroughs and We used to deal with this type of shit to art and design man the theme school. That's that's why that's all right. That's a laguardia guardia. So there's another martin mobile went to to that school. She graduated. Okay so what did you both go to school. 'cause so have was a great ahead of me. He was there for architecture he was. He's the bill like scale models. Like you know apartment complexes or whatever building like you know what i mean he could do. That should nice. I went to school there. Because this all most of my friends from left you know. We used to sit around and summertime. What are you going to high schools as well. We're going to edison ongoing. It is one. Most of my friends are going on design. Sounds like fun. i'm going to go. Evy is going right. So that's the only reason. I wanted to go there. You know what i'm saying. I didn't really have. I didn't think that i had any art skills. Like you know what i'm saying. I had to take tested in the school. You had to bring a portfolio. So i was i m going to do. How mcginnis school. I'm a guy. I work my way at schools from her. So i thought and i like ally. I'm this this is called the shirt kings. They like cloven designs in the airbrush in airbrushing in qasim in queens so i grew up with dan like a little kid on jamaica avenue. Like you know what i'm saying. So they know me my life like you know what i mean so i was light bulb. I'm gonna just copy a bite. The chains i'm sure he's focusing a on design. They never seen those shit like that before. You know what. I'm saying right so i just got me some shirts. Galveston marketers Some paint whatever. I just drew some graffiti on shit and i made a portfolio at the school news out. They liked it. And i got. I got into school with this shit. I was shocked. Should work or this is crazy. Here in this story was to restore our was was was designed student. So he's to me like crazy medallions and those yo baby yo. Mickey mouse year national creative. But you know. I guess I i gotta love for being creative about being at that school like you know what i'm saying. I got love for photography photography class. Their love for you know just design his shit and seeing have used to do with architecture. It just over my mind. Some you know So how'd y'all how did you guys meet. You've met in high school. Yeah we met my first year high school mom. Photography class was kidnapped. Black from the bronx and we got real cool chicken in every class and one day he was like oh man. He's like i used to win. Mad survey said crowd. Thought i was slick rick dog. I'm saying as the hands. Full of rings madge chains shit stout all's retarded. When i was in school like saying that another reason why i bought a gun to cause a target would only shit on. Yeah i was gonna say you didn't feel like i was i was. I was bogged down as a kid. You know what i'm saying. I didn't really care too much. So you know when i'm have it was because my man black bras photography class he was like you know you should meet my one of my friends named heavy now rap over about the same height. you know I'm introduce you to him after school. so little. did i know at disney me up to rob me wait. What have or visit a raise mary. That was kissel greatest life. They will send me up adding they whole setup they was gonna rob me. You know what i'm saying. Whatever i find is out so late. It's like when you're on a proposal maybe like a year to later. It was a yo member. That who's always go rob you that day but you know you was cool so we was like nine all wrong. That's our stories to wait a minute. You listen to the costs. Love supreme our guest this week. Our project mob deep and kathy lee journalists and co author. Prodigy's latest book commerce. Kitchen my infamous prison cookbook and We got some messages from our sponsors. What comes next for ford. It's doing what we've done for over a century building and facing any problems with integrity empathy and the strength to outlast than ford will always pivot to do the right thing and to build for. Who and what matter. Most community built for america. Built ford proud. It's black friday. Now at target black friday used to mean waking up early long lines in deal's gone in a flash. That was black friday. 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Some kid kid actually tried to stab had missed missed his like leather jacket and like more focused dropped his like got the knife out his an had beat him up and everybody lifted. Have in the air like you. Just just had to winning game touchdown. I swear to go all the way to the train station after the fight. Dance calling them key week. 'cause i was like his name. His name is key. Warren right so he's like nickname at school was like kiwi. As as a call me peewee nosing. Because i was mad small like that would have been a better group named so you know we follow them to the train days and i'm like this is crazy. I put him down. We'd get on a train. We meet each other. So i'm where we are and we're gonna ravens would. I'm like ravens with like my grandmother from raymond's my mother's mother right. Let me share. Move from south jamaica projects to ravens. With like some time ago. He was like a work. He's like my grandmother from arabia's so both our grandmothers lived in arabia's would so right. Did i was like we had a connection like you know what i'm saying right. So winters knows cribbing ravens would and we and we went to queens bridge will grant shelling. That was it. We got cold that day. You know what i'm saying. And we started making songs immediately and We just clicked immediately. We just click. You know what i mean. We became really close friends and getting mad trouble together. And just doing all this dope music and everything was just like so he was out. Make beats immediately or nah. I actually taught how to how to make beats how to sample. And we were the initial person to be using Eps sixteen plunge task cam fortress set four tracks shit recorded shit like you know what i'm saying led little mix board Yes so after i met. Have you know what i mean. And we started getting real cool and we started being like i. This this is we got some. You know what i'm saying. We we kind of looked good together. We your same height. We got insane style like you know what i mean. And it's like a we making these doping. We may like fifty songs immediately. Remain like fifty songs when we first met in a week or a couple of weeks. You know what. I'm saying You know right after that You know we just realize like you're damn we've got something here you know what i'm saying. We just started pushing forward with like you know what fuck school do. This with ford You did the The two young record on now this. After i did that so i did the two young record while i was in junior high school a while. Well sounds are five. Join him visit while wrote a book so much shit from different angles. Like what the epa won't listen to what. Oh bigger biggest. Rb has of all times with. When i was living in left i had made a our had a solo career. I was like trying to be a solo office. My name was the golden child. My name was lowered. T the golden lab. And i'm saying because my family called me chocolate. You know what. I'm saying with a team. But the silent the t come from chocolate. You know what i'm saying. Loyalty the golden child. I thought i was the golden shells motley. My favorite movie. And i was so anyway. I had not the golden child one of homes from left. You know we used to make some music together. Whatever whatever. but he's semi some beets. And i used to go record them and Always shop around my my mom's was like yo shop. Your demo around rachel lyrics out manatee yourself. That's the cheap man. Copyright copyright and copyright lights. I was doing. My mom is teaching me what to do like do this do that. Take your shit around. You know what i mean. So we got my music to jive. Somehow i don't even remember how but job gave me a demo deal in a demo deal is do you remember allie. Remember that time. This is ninety ninety correct. Now this is like eighty eight eighty nine okay. You know what. I'm saying. So i mean job working in battery studio. You know they got you. So they gave me a studio like Let's see what you can do by yourself. That's what a demo dealers right. It puts you in studio i. Let's see what you if you come up with some dope within the next couple of months we'll sign you. You know what i'm saying. So that's the kind of deal. I so you by yourself by myself with the german seeing and you write your mom's doing your own music. I wasn't making beats at that point okay. House getting beat some people and you know what i mean just trying whatever. I can do so While i'm dead i used to. I used to flirt with the girls at the front desk. Like you know a couple of girls worked at the front desk you know they. They was cool with me so one day. I'll go to job to go to the studio and girl. The front desk. I name was kim. I remember name 'cause she hooked it up for me she was. Y'all wanna bring you to the back. You need to meet somebody. They work on the soundtrack. I'm going to get you on the soundtrack come on so she brought me in the back office like this. This little t whatever that he rat should get him on his song so there's all right rice and ball. Let's see what you could come up with. And i wrote that too young. You know what i mean and they put me on saw so crazy. Yeah i was just thinking about trump. you know defunding the epa and all that got there kept coming in my head so never knew that dan You know my first year. High school met have still working at battery at this time. So i used to bring have with me. I was like y'all got a studio. We work at so. I used to have with me to battery we used to be. We select us record imports when tapes and make our own beats and that's we made a lot of beasts like that and For y'all going by a political profits at this time was yeah. We stood in figure out a name time. You know what i'm saying but You know jive gave me that studio they now. I'm not supposed to be having other people winning so this is a story familiar. This is the blackberry search. Search right here this survey start. Start this us jobs. The i wanna sign you two boys And all that. And i was like i look. I got a partner in there. I was like if you want saw me got signed him was a we. Do you know what i mean. We don't want your partner. And i will see you later. You walked away from that oil. I was listening because we were doing. Is just vibe. You'd be fairly. You know what i mean. Fill the powell and we just like met and just started and through our conversations and just hanging out the music we was doing. You could just feel like this is what is supposed to be now. I'm not supposed to be a solo artist. You know what i'm saying right to having noted you walked away. Yeah you knew that. Because i was trying to get both outside the job. What i'm saying. But they was like nah so like. I'm by this time. There were other groups that were of your age. Or i mean yellow young. At least on the juvenile hall. Young shit so i thought your indicators group realm right so were they trying to mold jaw into that. Abc criss cross kind of bandwagon. Like to make your kids group. The part about it is we never had anybody. Turn us to do anything no nra like. I said they put me in everyone. Like i see what you can do. As crazy nobody development no nobody. Nobody ever told us was teach yourself all. We just did it. Like you know what. I'm saying we just did it and You know After job was like nah. I was ought to here and We just continue to make songs and shop them around and you know try to get on. You know what i'm saying and We mccue to after a while. You know what i'm saying. I'm am you told the story a gazillion times. But can you please tell that story. So we've not heard this story ever ever let let me say some real quick okay. Just some clear require a lot more focus. They rema book they hit he story. Diplomatic dry snitching. Now let me tell you some right. There's nobody being convicted arrested or anything for what i'm saying i'm saying shit with i'm saying it would What do you call it. The limitations is done already right. So it's like this. Is our life like this shit and is is the best and that we're able to talk about it right now and we made it out of certain shit and you know what i mean so when when when you hear people saying on his they don't know what the fuck they talking about dog like that. That's that's really pisses meal. But anyway i'm gonna tell you the story. Thank you so at the job. Me has started making matt songs and we took on new demo around and where we used to do is look on the back of our wombs thai favorite labels so favor. Label of course was def jam. That's so we supply. I was jan. I his address. I was cut out school. Let's take the train. Go down and deficit so we go out. What the headphones walkman and we stand outside the door and we food wrappers come out. You know what i mean or whoever to come out and We seen no bunch of difference. Come out and said. Listen to a demo. Tape won't get of out front of your. Who is the three guests last week. Now feel bad. I'm like are they going to be bigger outside of thirty rock right. I'm gonna tell you was a much. I remember clearly who was. We'll see all got no personal shit against them. I don't care about that shit. This is like but it definitely was the afros number. Two hurricane de jay was like what do you got salvage it. Because i'm like word. I whatever so we wait outside we wait outside. We see people coming out. Nobody will give listen. That youtube came out to building. And you know they was on fire on charcoal quest to shit we like. Oh shit set rare yoke. Could you listen tom. Demo son like chaco south so we from queens will work check your shit out for listen playing them a couple of songs. He took it off. He was like come on. Come inside office with me. Brought us into office. Introduces the chris. Lady has deuce us to matt. it was called Russ associated leiria. That's how i mean. It was like a management management thing and plus associated labeled thing and You know introduces us to people in the office and sit was like y'all these adult helped him saying you help them get them. Do something with two house to really lay senator. He's telling chris he's telling everybody off is set up a mean russell. Set up a meeting with leo. Get done and get these kids. Music hurt dope you so at that you know we are. We had a meeting with a they set up a meeting for us with russell. Simmons so we go to the to have a meeting with russ and It's supposed to be a russell crew which was around the corner on broadway. Mcdonald's some county area so We get to russell crib. Matter of fact. I had the gun on me domains. Little one shot derringer had school. So i wasn't trying to get cut I had left it in depth jam office. Because i ain't gonna bring a gun in russell right. I mean. I was trying to be respected respectful. I won't bring a weapon is critical. Let me also tomorrow man office holders in a draw for me until we get back from the means. So he's i put it in a drawer. Walked around the corner went to russell. Craig russell's the no show they like oh Russia got caught up going to meet with leo instead office. Everyone has store so we so we go back to the jim we meal we play your music listening. They stops the music he like. I can't do nine. Which are we like what he how old you are so we without fifteen sixteen and this time he laid first of all i look at nine years old or something like sailors talking about criminal crazy shit. They said i'm gonna get sued. They're gonna sue dan for putting this on the radio and doing all third like there's no way i could get this played on the radio. There's no way i could get this. They're going to banya. That's what he basically told us like. He's i can't do nothing. Which i'm sorry and we like crazy like what we was like. What the fuck is wrong do you. He didn't understand the music he didn't. I don't know you ain't get it. He didn't like it. That's his choice. Whatever so we. I fuck it. We wasn't mad anything. We was a little upset. Like fuck this nigga hill number right. We we didn't give a fuck. We was like i onto the next level. We're gonna go to it and we won't. We won't finally find someplace so we go downstairs and Before we leave you know. They had all these posters hanging up in office. Oreo they had like do great events. Asleep rick frame. They had like big. Daddy kane's she. Why should framed in and Daylight just dropped They'll also debt. Right so i wanted one of those posters. They had to ill de la soul dead post. I wanted to hanging up in my room. You know that was back in the days Hanging shit up your room. When so i told my man that. Help the gun for me in the draw. I was like yo you some posters for we bounce. No i'm saying he's item gallup so he got some posters so mir have is at his desk. Something like oh shit. The gun is an address. So have you gonna drew a pointed at me. i'm like sale. Got you know what. I mean bulletin like. I'm just playing what you wanted guy. He's i'm just playing down. I'm like don't point guns at people. Monica to so the my man come back with all the posters. He lay yo hair. He put the posters down to half pointed a gun at him. Joe you mean impulsiveness nigger they got to go back everything in slow motion after that ryan turn misty. This is low motion remember literally. Like i don't know why that happens. But i guess in the heat of moments like that sits on. Lowes tom right. So have dropped a gun. He we both like. Oh shit what the fuck like. We had shot. You know what i mean. Have boats out the door downstairs shape out so i'm like oh you're not leaving me taste like we did you. Least take the poster heart. Don't ebay right now. It's like a low. We get the fuck out of here at that point so have ran out the door not dmc dan. The afc run was coming in the building. They wanted him. They can still on the floor because he ran on buses through the door so one of the and we ran up and running up the block. And i hit my crazy way to meet run dmc by the way i hear some ice cream hami. Stop them kids. You'll stop them. Kids like a look and it's fucking ali he's talking. Oh god he's all he keeps saying. Oh my yoda's down to right we get down. The housing have avid. Let your son. It was a mistake. I didn't mean to do that. It was a mistake mayo. Calm down on monday night just to relax. he's willing. He's like historic because he didn't mean to do that. She like so he's calling. I'm trying to get him to calm down. And i see a dac. Detective called palomar call. You know we know what to look like. So i'll soon d i said. Oh i'll see you have to these. 'cause have screaming aiming shoot them i state championships on a bay to so they see him bugging so they stopped the car to get out. Who's going on. i mean to do it. I'm like oh my god come. At least i know. They put the handcuffs on half. 'cause have sitting in basically confession he didn't mean to do it was a mistake Like oh no going to be put your hands by more on my own god man so they me man prince. That was digitimes does go took half. I go home. go to sleep right. Wake up the next morning to school. My mom's always got. Wls playing on their own clock radio in the morning. So i hit on the radio. They like Yesterday was a shooting and if gm office Over contracts the artist some artist They wouldn't sign autism. Autism shots in my office said on the radio. Some sitting there listening to it. I didn't even tell my together. I don't even know what was going on. So when i heard that a god so not like reality is hitting me. 'cause i just waking up and i'm like it's a new day right now like realities hit me. What happened yesterday. My brain kicks in i. We're gonna get outta this mode. You know what i'm saying and i'm like i am right away. I just came up with the story. We thought it was a lighter. No villa blue light is at the smoke shop slew gun. Latest brazil used to care. This sound like you in my mind. I'm like i. We gotta to think of something quick. Some right away. I'm like oh we thought we found that outside. We thought it was a lighter. We was playing with it and she went off. You know what i'm saying so you know. I had to go to the hospital. Kicker with the home they got hit in No let him know. Listen man you know that was accident man. You know what i'm saying. You got to stick to this story. You know what i'm saying like right otherwise it's going to be bad for have light a i. You know what i'm saying. He looked out. You know what i'm saying. Because he no as terrible mistake but what really go man stomach after. Say that crazy has happened. Saying did not get signed adopt. Mom presumably then like run dmc or ali about this later like now but nikki d. Remember that 'cause she was dead office and after that she would always remind me we should always remind me about civilized. Yellow is bogged. The fuck out you know. It was wrong with the category shot he survived. He was good man. you know. Fortunately you know everything worked out and That's a crazy story hotel for the rest of his life. It's definitely a crazy story. After that has security you couldn't even walk in the building anymore. But because when i to it was like frigging whatnot. So how long has it till. Fourth and broadway comes in in the The picture four of them as Company on record company island def jam cam him so right after that we are. You know after everything. Def jam shit we We know we continue to make demos and just q tip have brought us like incident industry so we started meeting different people and finding now we started finding out about industry parties You know what. I'm saying because they would tell us a party over here tonight. Party vision night so we started being in loop over the industry parties at that point Talent shows kyrie capri with duties. Talent shows who got the best versus all you get one hundred dollars. We won one of those one night. we just going around different functions. New york city talent shows different party industry parties in a whole me from a high school. Derek that put us together Kid photography class. His mom used to work for wls and she was like cool. Puff so he arranged a meeting with us in puff so we got real cool. Puff right away In public invited all parties. He was that's when he was a club. Promoter that time. Have you doing promotion. And we should go to all the puff forties. You know what. I mean at the building the red zone so we started really being all the functions hanging out in people started knowing us. You know what. I mean and Mattie see got a hold of demo madison from the source yeah he got a hold of our demo and he put us in Unsigned hype column. They did and because of the hype column and maddie sees homeboy. Both malone day was like they found interesting us from that. And we want to have a meeting with cia bones brought us up to mattie and we met cookie gonzales We've met a Chris blackwell so they brought us into meet chris. We sat down with chris Crystals interesting do yeah. What was that. Like because christmas lee. That was very interesting. He was sitting there rolling up some hash and i. I never seen hash before. He had a big like role of black hash. I'm like what is that the hash smoke it. So i'm like i wanna try and lay you. We smoke has because back office. He like your really like y'all marijuana sonya. You know what i mean. Did you ever energetic. I've never met chris blackwell without lisa. Interject in a bob marley story. I'm sure he gore. i'm sure he did. Especially when we smoking you know what i mean. He probably says something like that But at this time you know they had rock hammarby and rockingham before not at this time they had in the past arab year rock him and the the newell updated audits on for from bro. X clan was mo they had song caller the hill. That's real Hey how about some hall right. Four from bro. At at this time. When chris is sinus so he offered us a deal. He was hell. We want that. We take you know what i mean. So we did the do island and Basically it was the thing he tried to tell us what to do. They basically just know in our new. I mean cookie and bones was like you know the bone sesto. No no us like he's hanging out with us for seeing how we also just le- let them. Do they know what they're doing. They know what they want like. You know what i mean. How are you in at this point. We like sixteen like. Are you going to school still in high school but at this point is like i'm about to drop out because now until one day. I'm like sleeping in the crib. My mom's gonna be late for school. We'll go bus. I'm not going to school. Does she take that. were shooting. Okay what is she loves him. Back from work thought about it. She said son. Are you going to pay some rid. She just she was just like okay. 'cause she's i guess she's saying what i was doing my career. You know what i mean. She was helping me like do it. Doesn't your family now like you know from entertainment family. So they like they was encouraged. The family treat hip hop so different definitely different so they. My mom's was scared. She was like apprehensive. When chris wanted to sign us and he'd he actually did some kind of thing where we didn't need our parents consent. That piss my mom's off. He's a piece of shit. He did say. Ron backs and sanjar. Without our consent the macho man that a new story happening is used manages to s crazy. She at this time she liked managing us for a minute and then we find her because she was like. We did a talent. Show right before right before we got signed. Four we did it. Sal shows like new york city sometimes so new york. You should do all the time and we we. We had auditions rehearsals into our song and song curses in it to chorus of the song. Go here. We go yo Shit we got the whole course so we put it on. We've doing need like the music. You can't curse in his talent show. We liked what they let you can't you do we like blah and we're not changing nine-man not doing fuck your show and we walked over my mom's side raw which are so. She sat down like right after that she was like. You can't do that you can't you. Can't disrespect people like they just changed the coaches. Listen we're going to stick to what we do. You know what i mean. We don't want nobody trying to change us. We hard headed like we have Havoc prods. I i gotta say three times. I've heard you easily walk away from some shit that could sort of maybe sort of change your life. I've never heard. Neil listen to this level whereas just like i'm out i can walk with. What is it in you like. What's in your head that just be like i. I walk away there. We just we believed in what we were doing so much like like. I said it was like the vibe that we had we could just fill it. It was going to work and nothing was going to stop it. It was just filling. You know what. I'm saying like we was like we got some shit. He don't know she don't know none of these people don't know what they're talking about said shake because usually people by this point people will either have side meeting. Okay maybe we can meet at the fifty yard line. Let's compromise a little bit wondering why men you know now. We will really really hard headed. You're just like oh really We will really stuck on what we were doing tunnel vision. We wasn't trying to hear nobody. We we had something that didn't really exist like you know what i'm saying. It was like the vibe that we had to just to the energy in the words and the style the slang everything was just is. It wasn't nothing like that. You know what i'm saying and It was just like a change. Another god at that time almost because you know it was like the rock comes in big. Daddy kane's the you know the the symphonies symphony came out. Like that was what was popping. We was learning how to do rat and then once we started getting studio we started catching on the hottest shit works and we was like. Oh we got this shit like we know how to do this shit right. We thought we you know what i'm saying but it just it just made a minds like oh this is we also knew she. We a new generation these on what they talk about. We got some shit. We not ain't nobody on so that was clean. Version fucked up attitude to have but also can't do that so we a listen if you if you're not gonna follow what we say and believe in us to the maximum fuck everybody else then. We can work with the. She's all right cool. I'll a home. That's a very bad attitude to have. You know me as a very bad attitude to have not going to get in life with the attitude she she gave me the whole spiel team. But we wasn't trying to so it's like when you find your mom's what happens when you get home like is it just normal like now you make it i was in i was kind of. I wasn't going home anymore out the house already okay. I'm saying stay at have crib all staying grandmother. Crave i'll papa. My mom's crib sometimes like hooves bouncing everywhere else staying in in the bronx. My homie from school. Stay in brooklyn only elegy from school. you know what i mean. We would just everywhere man. We was young active trying to get on like you know what i mean. I wasn't thinking miami. 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So even even though juvenile juvenile hall didn't necessarily do the numbers. I mean it. Did you guys so notice amongst industry people so check this out. I arrogantly asshole attitude right. That's why the album came out like an underperformed and it was like not really we didn't put our heart and soul we didn't put out. We didn't understand that this is not a joke. Like you can't just do whatever and people supposed to kiss you as like it. You gotta make thomas. You gotta make some shit than standard test of time and we didn't understand that we was very Arrogant very cocky on some bullshit and that's why that product came out in a couple of months later naya drop ill matic buddha's down to reality. Have you met nas before. Like seem like how zone block together. We all trying to get on at the same time. I mean we all trying to get on is lavi barbecue. He had Two song zebra soundtrack halftime. Yeah so this is all at the same time while we doing. Juvenile had zebra halftime shit. And you know what i mean. Then we go off on a little promo run and we in doing in-store one day in dc we do an in-store for juvenile hell and we walk into the install Matic plan we never heard of before. So we we sitting there. I did look at each other like you hit a shit. Like oh shit package. Should i say oh. Pac man we. We went about this all wrong. You know what i'm saying. And that brought us down to reality. Basically that gave was that was a thing. Thousand reality point main but You guessed it we know right there. We seen it. We've seen it before before. I even got dropped. We already knew. I we fucked up. You know what. I'm saying because we can hear the difference. We can hear as big difference between the you know the thought that was put into making music and thought that was put into making the lyrics. Making the beats. He puts serious starting today and we didn't. We were just fucking around being little dumb as kids You know what i'm saying like philadelphia. We got a rat deal. Yeah got to let you know what i'm saying. So how far like when did selling become like okay. This series business so We got a lot of people still feel as though that's our first record when we got dropped. That's when we heard and then we got dropped maybe a couple of weeks later whatever whatever we were just like in the sunken place was you gotta get the fuck added. No no this can't happen in you know what's the of album in our hearts broking because we was like. Oh this is what we want to do with our life right. Not playing with this shit. We just went about it wrong way. We had the wrong attitude. Know sense we hold on. Hold on hold on no like no we jose saying like we gotta we gotta show people who we all. We ought to tell our story the right way. We got to put like i said put in put meaning put your soul. Put your heart into the music. I mean tell you story man like you know what i'm saying so we went in and we had the attitude like listen. This is what we wanna do for restaurant life. We just got dropped. We feel like the biggest losers ever. We go into the hood everybody laughing on. The lower analyzes dropped dramatically is. This is looking at us like you know saying like they laugh out on low so we like win and regroup and we had to add it to like you know we're not we're not going to descend going to happen again. You know what i'm saying. One thousand percent for sure. This is never going to happen again. You know what i'm saying and so did you have the the one that point matt started working lau correct. Yeah right of right around that time. Maga- job allowed Now they would just like a cubicle inside the rca office right okay. they had pm. D i think. He's i sold allowed. When i had the alcoholics and just signed tangled saying you know what i'm saying so We after that with that mentality slapped on hell. No that's when we really started going in and making our own beats. That's when i like. I was teaching have during that time. Juvenile hell and transitioning over to making his new dental. I was teaching how to do the beast shit and he was getting nice with it so at first was like i will make a baseline or some drums or something and then have come as shit. I mean i your let me let me let me change them. All the i let me ask so. That's how it wasn't after well. I started listening and looking have started looking possess like you could just see he was fucking possess and you could hear it. So i'm like after a while. i don't even want to bother him. You know what i'm saying. Like i didn't want to be like yo. Let me at. Because he was in his groove thing. Let me just let him work. You know what i'm saying. And i'll just see him. I know what i'm saying. So he got like a plus you hogging it a little too. He was definitely. I hold on. Hold on hold on hold on let me a whole wildlife is name so i'm gonna go to store get a forty. I'll be right back. Come back to beat is done right round to it but then also seeing that half are seen having become heavy. I've seen it. You know what i mean. I've seen it in his face. I heard in the music. I just seen looking at his face while he was sitting there. Making the bs i was like. Wow he's really he's really tapped in right now like you know what i'm saying. So that's how that happened and You know mattie. Bruce over the steve. You heard our demos. He was a yo. I'm focus. I got some shit now. I got a new job over here. Bramlett bring you up to the office. Meet steve rifkin bo. Steve played music. For steve steve's like y'all. I love it. He's i wanna sign. You know what i'm saying. But at the same time we hanging out with puff everyday so puff is telling us about this company that he wants to start or bad boy as a yo. I'm almost do first off. I wanna sign all bad boy dot com so we like we hanging with paul for every night. You know what i'm saying. The club she likes. You wanna sign us. Steve assign so we now now we tell them no. Let's get some paperwork videos. Those videos okay. I get it but you saw in the video so basically the deal that steve offers basically was more money. And that's the only reason why we took the steve. Well what was the trade off late Usually with those things more money but less control power. Something i it was it was. It was actually any trade off. I guess as a trade off was The trade off was probably got the clean. maybe to trade offers. Also we didn't have to do all the glossy over shit hills saying that was one good trade-off let you know what i mean. But puff had a vision. He had a vision for this company and he wanted us to be the first artists on bad boy. But steve just so having over maybe like ten thousand dollars more puff offer so we. We just went with the steve do. Plus steve was talking like. Oh listen i i'll give you out his deal. You have to do which i want sound like. You're already got game acid just do. Do you know what i'm saying. So we took Loud do in You know we started working on the infamous. You know what. I'm saying and Out to mattie see you know shout the bones malone cookie gonzales and you know chris blackwell everybody that helped us out in the beginning and got us to that point. You know what i mean with. Steve risks wanted to sign us. How q tip. Come back into the fold Work working with allen infamous So after we know it was like eighty percents probably done maybe sixty percent down maybe with the album. We was eldest called tip. He wants beats. He wants to be some tip so reached out the to He came and picked us up and he brought us his crib lyndon and He's basically just played mavericks. He was like tell me. When you hear some you like you know what i mean. So he plans patrice russia and he plays all kinds of shit that we so i think it was patrice rushing with rise. Ll did saw pink cookies in a plastic bag. Oh esther williams s to win. It's all right with me. Yeah so So He plays us. That record and right away are recognized it from. Ll song For my miles. Let's make a new does make a different version. Let's use that beat and make a different in the right way. Those and so yeah. We picked a bunch of beach from him and we did some songs and basically we finished the album and when the album was done we brought to back in the studio to tweak up the mixes like you know what. I'm saying like she was with that like you know what i'm saying. Sixty sounds avenir. Do little things Knobs saying he basically like took what we did and like made it sound good like comes at hooked us up with the good mix engineers and i'm saying so. That was really good that we were able to work with him at that point. You know what. I'm saying where you're listening to slow supreme. We're here we're proud. Mob deep and kathy lee journalists and co author prodigy's latest book commissary. Kitchen my infamous prison cookbook. Okay i have to say that. The glory of hip hop in being alive doing the classic during the renaissance emit classic period. And all the peers of hip hop is when a song stops. You in your tracks. I will say the thing is. I don't think anyone has really properly put in context. Why shook ones so culturally important for someone along with someone sheltered like me that light. Just listen to hip hop to really find out. What's going out there. You know what i'm saying. Like i'm wondering i'm wondering that the market and people have def jam would have loved because when onyx came out i was like. Oh this real hardcore. We're like when they were life came out. That was like yo you. Nwa same so. But i didn't realize that it was so over the top hardcore industry. Yeah it was cartoonish. And when i heard shook ones they did i feel like if robert de niro and al pacino. We're making hip hop definitely be because the glory in robert deniro in alba chino's work is the fact that there's so dead yes deputy. You're more scared of someone. That silent and just deadpan. As opposed to like someone's cartoon in over the top then. I don't take him serious. I'm like oh you're you're barks worse than your bite. Just being a cartoon. But the fact that they were saying they said they were saying and such so deadpan about it and so it was the visuals to like visual that video. See honesty the video until later. I heard the song just like yo. How for what. We saw the video. I as our video i and so for us it was. It will seeing the video and literally probably about a month after the video came out. I remember kids in my school. Come home he's had the hennessy jerseys straight up but yeah it was. It was just something that came through in that video. That was like. I mean being in the south. Even though y'all new york guys there was just something that was new but that was more new york to me than any wu tang product any like to me even even even on even on new york new york where like you. Listen to the very The first twenty seconds but Dogpound new york new york. I mean they're basically mocking robbed. You're like so for me. That's like lightning in a bottle. You can't even capture like it. I guess the theme of love supreme is that whenever like these. These monuments hip hop moments happened. It's always an afterthought like yeah. We made this in like five minutes. Or what was the process behind shook ones or at that part was because it was part one. I had a single part one. Why wasn't that push in I know it just. It just happened to happen. I don't even know man. We may paul one and I think we may. We might have made both of them around the same time. And then we put the paul one out. I put the second one out and Shot happened like that shocked that at at. It's the reception and you know every time we will make songs we. This is how we would test out music. We'd be outside of the block where everybody you know what i'm saying Queens burs like i said ninety six billions is big sa- big projects a lot of people outside like we got a lot of friends like you know what i mean You know brooklyn hanging out in brooklyn. Bronx saint that we we hang out with our friends and we play music and we want to see how people react to it You know what. I'm saying. So you know what i'm saying. We and we got no op-eds people like knives spending crazy. You know what i mean. People like cohn mega was spitting crazy. Like it was a lot of people that was dope. The whole juice crew thing symphony. That was like shit that we that was around us so it was like you know we was trying to speak debt level of these people who we got to deal with these people that are going to laugh with us if we make some bullshit like you know what i mean if we talk in some bullshit if we talk shit. There's not true. Like you know what i'm saying if we like. We had to deal with people. Like you know what i'm saying and so that's how we would test a lot on music. We played outside the block. See how people react to it and we will see how for our friends valley. Fire will bring that shit. Bet you'll bring us back and we will walk around and different blocks in the hood. And just like i said it the brooklyn take take a body filling it and that's how we would know we got some. You know what i'm saying. The more focus didn't react and like we can't fuck with that but if they reacted we didn't we had some so we did. The same thing shook once you know most of the songs like you know what i mean. We would test it out on the block and see how people react and live. We got one. Put that out. You know what i'm saying. I think another part of the formula. That really made that album. Work is the fact that the musical backdrop was like so wasn't as hardcore like even for like up north trip. Like i remember. My uncle used to always that came from a spinach record spinners eight so you saw always play the spinners. I'm tired of living on his eight track right. So that's how. I always remembered. But now it's like i mean even though the subject matter. That song was more like a like a foot. My friends like i can only trust me. Sort of thing always had happy memories of being my uncle. Tony's car listen to that song but then like y'all just took it and just made it into like it was like a position of smooth like soothing sound then like the most murderous On top of like drink way to regulate drink way to pain like that's like a happy as hell on a song but then right then y'all slow it down like speed that's over. Yeah no call. We caught our drif. we drift. We was on it like you know what i mean. Once we locked in that was it. We wasn't we. I we got it. We got it. Let's go and sandy. We get in reaction that we want from people now like now that the album is taken off from. Y'all got four and a half mics in the source. I'm one of those people that actually believe that. Four and a half. Mike's is better. I a five because when you when you yeah you you can have a five then becomes a burden like i feel like for is that five is a burden on him. Because it's like everybody's always going to say well in the beginning in one thousand nine hundred four. This is win. They kind of. I feel like four and a half is like the highest accolade. You can get where you don't get that much. Jealousy or scrutiny. From whatever. I definitely see some sort of way. You'd feel like oh man we should have got a five like you'll matic or at that time. We didn't really. We didn't really care like the sauce was source was definitely give me wrong. I was like the bible hip hop bible. Like you know what i'm saying like that's how we got break from the source unsigned hype but what we would making. No we know the power we making like we felt it. We've seen it. We heard like cpr people reacting to it so we didn't really once we got another zone. It was just go timeline. Really chad too much about and he gave us four mice. Whatever because we still had the attitude a little bit hit us. You know what i mean. it was a little bit more polished that added souls a little bit more polished but it was still it. You know what i'm saying. It was still there so we didn't really we didn't really care too much about anything. Once we got our shit often running shook. Want survival of the fittest. It was like we outta hit. Fuck everybody now. This is what we do stick to what we do. Stay in the studio stay working. Just keep dropping east fucking albums key job in his music news is like that. That was it. It was over so now that it's more active for its far as the reception. And i'm sure the torn ramp it up and just the overall activity. How are you able to deal with your health issues and still maintain a busy like itinerary promoting out fucking up bad. I didn't even realize what i was doing to myself. 'cause i didn't learn about health dieting too like my mid twenties like you know what i'm saying. Look mid to early to mid twenties. I you know what i mean. So i was like i didn't even realize so there wouldn't be times where like right before show. You might an attack like do. It was plenty of those times. 'cause i didn't i didn't realize that i was making myself sick. Like we would get up in the morning. Have nj for breakfast and you said like literally every day like you know what. I'm saying halloween nights for breakfast like that. Was i think what. I'm saying like crazy as it sounds. That's what we were doing. And why was that. Because a lot of people don't really understand sickle cell like that. So why was that. Like so bad for you Because i learned later. I didn't know what this time but i learned later that alcohol Dehydrates you know what i mean your blood it takes all oxygen out. Your blood drives up your blood cells so When oxygen is missing out on my blood. That's what triggers a sickle cell crisis. Like you know what i'm saying. You having a lot back then. I didn't even realize i'm doing it to myself. I'm thinking because the doctor told me on my life you know you can do about it. You're not going to live past forty. You know what i'm saying. That's what they told me all my life. You know what i'm saying. Then you can do about it. There's no killed as you do this. Shit it's a deepening. A part of the the newest kind of i don't give a fuck attitudes this the fact that inside you felt maybe we'll save time on forty. I'm not even gonna be here anyway so this it wasn't so much i mean maybe subconsciously debt. But i never i never thought like i'm gonna die when i forty. Because that's what they said. But i hit at all the time so maybe subconsciously. Yeah you know what. I mean but definitely pain that i was going through made me off a little bit. You know what. I'm saying a little bit. What is the Mass like pain in the blood starts. It starts like i. You know blood cells around you know they look like a lifesaver whatever When my blood is missing oxygen when there's not enough oxygen blood blood cells change shape Turning question moon shapes sickle shaped and they start interlocking with each other like this and it causes like reaction when when they start interlocking with each other it just builds up. i guess creates pressure. Our really like a headache. Or not estimate throbbing. Somebody took a hammer or sledgehammer and just light below pays that. That's how it's like crippling. I like you know what i mean. I can't even walk. I can't move sometime. My friends had to carry me to the hospital. It's crazy crazy so You know. I mean i i remember. I can remember being a little baby laying in the hospital looking up at my family. Looking down emmy probably was like three years old. You know what i'm saying. And i i remember those memories laying osborne looking up in my family being sick in a hospital. I ain't understand what was going on. I just nominated paint. I don't know what the fuck is happening. So just paying bear with me on my life and it definitely affect on you know my mentality and maybe me angry. I ain't believe in god. You know what i mean. 'cause i actually pray why would up for and make make the pain go away in is not going away so i was. Ain't no goddamn dumb non celebrity question but did you ever you ever in the same room with like tebas. Because i feel like y'all will have some of the same issues over on tour lie and she seemed like she really went through it a lot. Yeah we had a call we were gonna do a song. My h and i'll see album but She said how do you can never feel my pain. Yeah she was supposed to get on that women. I have made that song for me. Her and i went down. Flew down to atlanta and she came to the studio and she liked if she was like my labels. Not gonna let me do it. Because they're not gonna let on hall rap song. I don't know what you know. What i mean but Yeah sickle cell was crazy. It was a crazy thing to grow. And you know it definitely made me angry. I was angry pissed off kid and then my father. He didn't help older shit. He was teasing me. You know what. I'm saying. So nobody time i got high school and they have it was it was insane insane kid like you know what i'm saying. I was very fucking insane and You know going on toll. I didn't realize i was killing myself like our we get off the plane. I'm sick. I got a little right to the hospital. Jamie do got cancelled. The show got to perform ourselves. This is what infamous you know what i mean. If came out we was like and overseas immediately when shook ones and all that and I got stuck in paris. Had to go to hospital in paris. I had to go different places overseas. And you know i just thought it was normal because this is what i did my life. You know what i mean. Get sick go to hospital you better. After a couple of weeks right come out but when it started affecting the shows and start affecting the money and people booking us and you know i mean that affect your relationship with with with a havoc now really like would he be on you like yo man like you you know if you do this data. I mess up the money or he didn't know we just thought got sicker so i guess it okay. We didn't. I didn't realize you didn't connect of my diet drinking smoking. We didn't know that. I mean so. We just think p get sick on the tom. I hope he doesn't get sick today. Lb doesn't just you know what i mean so after a while or the money get fucked up and promoter scared. The book us that started making me think differently. I hold up. This is fucking up to business. I keep getting sick. What's going on. So i started doing research. I started finding out there. Like you know You control the sicker so just not. Having a proper diet is all about dieting. What you put into your body in and also also you light your spirit in mentality like because once you change your mind and spirit. Kinda has a domino effect. Everything has a domino effect. Once you start making changes in your life little things. His diet or whether it's spirituality once you start making changes everything else you look you start looking at other things and i i. I eat clean. Eat vegetables is so. What else do i need to clean up in my life like you know what i mean. I need to stop this. Or i need to stop hanging out with with these people. Get me in trouble. I need to stop thinking like this. I need to have a negative thoughts. So it's like a domino effect. Is it easy to do that. Well we didn't even get into how you went from portico prophets to mob. But even the first time i met your. I don't know if you remember like the you guys did a in store or maybe i would. Just i don't know when do you want more are are second came out philadelphia a tower records. We we did in store like played inside of Decided that store and you guys were there. And i was kinda shocked. I was like because you know even then for us. I guess people sort of looked at it as like alternative red kind. Didn't accept us into the fold until like way later but our sack. I was like damn my here like dan. Okay maybe maybe we're doing good like. I know that you guys were in town at night to do right now. Ninety nine the night before but our news. Y'all role humongous like big. How how do you if you decide. Okay maybe i need to break away like how do you separate yourself from church and state if you will. I mean i mean you know. It's very tricky. Man is very tricky navigating through that whole lifestyle and through that whole. Like you know what i mean. communities debbie grew up in. Like you know what i mean. It's it's not easy man. You know what. I'm saying like wanna average tour or how many people were rolling with your Now or back. Ben been if we was in the states. Maybe like fifteen twenty may be more sometimes. Sometimes we would drive the like genetic. It'll drive to boston. We have like the team calls with us. It'd be like so so. I gotta ask not as we drive him you know. They don't really close to ask because it was sleeping in a room late. So when when. Dry jim william came out and i. I heard that orna mic state. I mean that was like at the not even at the height but at the beginning of what would soon become a very unnecessary you know. Fabled talked about East west rivalry thing which you guys will like caught dead in the middle. What was what was your reaction. Because i know in hindsight i know that too was just basically like just calling out any and every name even daylight soul in the food. He's got like what are the. What about right exactly. So i know they were just call now. He was just calling out any everyone but when you first heard when you first heard him up like what was your reaction you feel like did you ever have a releases it with two pac before we never never met. We've been in the same room a few times but we didn't. We didn't have any connection. We didn't know each other. Like you know what i'm saying Yes so so win. A you know when the hit him up shit came out. It was like oh shit alert so immediately. I'm already thinking like oh he's standing up for snoop because we just made a song going back snoop and pockets. The brand new artist on on raw forgot about okay. I got pockets. The brand new autism devereaux so he felt like he got show. Yeah i'm i'm devereaux nella. What's new you know what i'm saying like i'll handle these right. I'm the new orleans. Lemme is my job to do this. You know what i'm saying. So that's how park mentality was. I think you know what i mean. He was like fuck that he got a show improve to death row. He's gonna hold it down. You know what i'm saying. So he went at us for snoop. That's what i think. You know what i mean and also a lot of people say that On the album on survival one our homeys having cousin he says in the chorus doug life we still living the life. We still living in on the chorus We wasn't dissing park. That was just like a slang industry. Like the doug. I'm probably right. Yeah probably coined the phrase right but it was so. This is what we were talking like. You know what i mean. So i heard that pop took offence to that you know because we were saying thug life. You still live in it. You know what. I mean so not knowing you just adapt what he does. It wasn't wasn't even taking those shots right. So would job joppa. Jim them is like you know for most east coast rappers going. Elliot's like you know that. Some fun i mean at least for now you know what i mean but not back then. Yeah like into just to be caught up. Msn where you guys like. Very cautious in coming to los angeles for fear of like some sit might go down or is it just like When when la la in new york new york came out indian pop job. hit him up I saw la. La was number one la radio for whatever reason. We had a big fan base in kelly early. You know what i'm saying. So we have fans out there and the song became number one ellie radio and requesting for us to flout the performance so we would fly to la. We'll bring all our boys with us. You know what i'm saying. We will go perform the song and we had to mid sally like you know. Yeah we already. We don't bring on niggers with us some popoff. We're gonna pop off like you know what i'm saying. That was our mentality. Like you know what i'm saying and we was out. They perform an issue in the middle. Dan gladden escalated. Get bad anyway. L. as bad new yorkers badly everybody bad lake nona so nasty. You know what i mean but you know it is what it is man like. I'm just saying how it went down like you know what i mean. We reform out there. The la la record and it felt with but we did it. It felt like we was in danger. But we didn't give up because we endanger back home to you. Know what. I mean when we hang out the clubs we hanging in the hood. Our friends getting shot. So i thought that was. I had to like you know what i mean. What's the difference. Don't give a fuck. Let's go perform. Like i haven't to read the source article for your solar project when you explain in that you know the whole snoop chris the buildings line or whatever i mean. I got the perspective coming from saying like basically like we out here on the front lines. you know. we're out here where we came from that sort of thing. So it's just the the the whole takeover situation. Like in. Hindsight i mean how do you feel like have you guys spoken. Since or is it just like his water under the bridge now or dez basically no water under the bridge. Of course we still. We still got that little. You know we still looking at you. Know jay don't really fuck with nobody. Don't do songs with nobody ban. I was surprised with to join with fabulous other. Oh shit he did. The joint fabulous. That's dope you know what i'm saying. I was happy for five when that happened. But you know jay. Don't do songs nobody. So it was like whenever him. And now it's sorta people basically see taking over as a as a as jay z situation. So let me let me let me just off top right right. I was already thinking when. I first heard jason line. I was in a club in queens and those boys. And i heard this song. Castle playing cl- dope that beat is crazy but with the piano. Shoot right right so a hard line. I was like 'cause you know we listened to. We like really be scrutinized iraq name. What did you say we talk about what we know maybe over analyzing shit like so when i heard that said i was like a court right away i was like new york ever since new can't do and i was like fuck. Is he talked about so. No the just went past my head. So i ain't never number really today I was in the office. One day and loud and pun was the fat joe's there and i was just kicking off. Chilling overheard fat. Joe said you'll you heard long. He was talking to somebody. You heard lonn jason. Y'all how's i wo- sellafield the same wave. I'll let you this crazy. You said that's up to the same way like word kinda crazy said so you know When doing the source of the disorders interview and i was like man. jay z. a bitch saying that. Like how you going to say that like you know what i mean. That was some say that like come on man cut it out like we was holding it down. He's out there performing we've risking our life like it was serious like you know what i'm saying. Come years later some shit shitless. Shut the fuck up. You know what i'm saying. Just wrap negative. Why are you talking about that. Right has nothing to do through like you know what i'm saying just negative so i was pissed and you know i was on my bullshit. You know what i'm saying. I was young. Bullshit i feel. I say i said something here bitch ass nigger for saying that you know what i mean and You know he he got the word back from dame. Dad's dame's you'll jay. Jay say you know he. He wish you would reached out and spoke to him instead of saying in the magazine. I'm like whatever man you know what i'm saying so i actually had them with knives and i like before. This article had a conversation with nice and 'cause meet meet listening memphis bleakness. Tom memphis bleak was taken shots. At nice you know what i'm saying. Right he will befall. I can help you out. He was saying it's a little slick. Sit here and it's a line like your life was written who you kin some shit idea. Whatever so you know. I took offense today. Anybody talking about nuts. I'm taking offense to everybody. You know queens bridge. That's the crude. Does outgrew right so talk tanaz when they sent you heard your negatives and he was like he's angry about that should though i was able sudden fucked as we saw he like fuck the next fucked. Nobody i'm like son was glad unique is trying to pop shit son. You hear this shit poppin magic. He's fontanili man. Fuck that shit man should about nine some is. I'm gonna just do it by myself. Didn't fucking he's like. I sedan right no aspirin. I did the arctic ocean. Said shit about him about bad and then he do the summer. Jam shit you know what i'm saying. Nia happiness irv gotti. Is you know with jay. Right and Not going to grandma's school. You know what i'm saying. Hi okay and at the time we did a song. Vida co burn like tat was. Guess what we was going at it with jay like we were going at it like you know what i'm saying right. I was going at it with jay. Like little shit. Don't mix tapes wasn't taking it as serious. I wasn't like being like rapid like there. I gotta write some balls right. I was awesome right like nicole. We see you. we're going to beat you. are we going to shoot a tally. i'm not even thinking. I gotta write immaculate balls. I gotta make. i'm not even thinking like that at all. I'm just thinking like fuck know is right like nigga. I'm angry right fucking. See this nigga so fuck you know saying oh. We did a song with vita called burn Vita signed you know serve gotti so it's time to shoot the video for bar and not burn is getting a lot of play flexes playing shit out it. It becomes a hit and we try to shoot the video. We and we get word from vida. She can't do the video so i called him. I was like vita was kicking it. You know what i'm saying. I had a number called them. Like yo what's going on she p. Let me take she was like. Tommy can't do video because jay you know it was like. Don't let her do that like what he was like. Yeah they hate knowing you're over there right now at this. The third shoes i can't. I'm sorry i can't do the video. I'm like were. They really did that. She was like yeah. Choose over like you know what i'm saying. They don't let her do. It is cool. I understand what i'm saying. Whatever so vita never gotten a video with us because of that right so then the whole summer jam should happen and he puts his pitch me just like michael jackson author michael jackson when i was a little kid. Who didn't we all do. We all thought we do so right away. I knew it came from right away. You know right to immediately. I was like oh he just some real ill over. Shit like he went and got a pitch. He lied on the pitcher center. Prodigy nineteen eighty nine or some shit. Like you know what i mean. He lied about the year. So whatever i thought it was funny. You know what i'm saying like my nigga was in audience. Gentlemen elegy he called me p you. I told you that picture was gonna come back to haunt you cook years going soon. Working on music. Run looking through the books. Oh shit look at this sheet. So whatever he's come back to haunt which you're talking about he said you'll son j just put your pitcher summer jam so now we die laughing on the phone right so now i'm like wow that's crazy. I got jokes. He got jokes. I cool. You know what i'm saying. And that was that. And then he made you know he was going at n m me. He was like as nazionale wanted. Hold basically talking to me. Say as not. You don't want to this that. I got money stack beginning you and all this shit about meals so you know what i'm saying right. He took a little jab at knives where he's all about me so now i'm like i. This is it fuck that war and got right. I mean you know saying fuck this shit fuck this nigga. Fuck everybody they down with the so i was on my shit and Now's dropped eater. You know saying and it. Just i was like whoa. He took it seriously. Took the right decent. You know what. I'm saying. Making the next level. I wouldn't know shit like that. I was mad. I wanted to catch this. Do some thome like you know what i'm saying. Did you ever talk tanaz. After he did like he changed his mind and he changed his mind to a major extent. So what was he. Thinking was it that he got mad for the attack on you or the man for the attack. I think now nasdaq to defend his title. Now is the and song called building. Destroy number one because jay mentioned his name so he is now fucked and plus me and i was already talking about. I was glad these nuggets night. You know what i'm saying. But now i guess he heard the song and drew the line. Fuck that so. He made a song called building destroy. Also at the same time he cheated on me so gamaliel prodigy get robbed. Those he was talking about. Now's the saying some things that he doesn't have no idea what really happened. He thinks he knows what he really doesn't know so he was so my god rob just standing third and at the end of the song he apologized to me. European nokia love man. Just get away from them. Fake ass niggers. That's what you say on his sloan like you know what i'm saying after you just shit on hold from the he hits you got this joint bill and destroy a studio with him like i was mad that they was reading about us. I'm like fuck else. Glad he's negative about you know what i'm saying and now you got a song dissing me like where did this come from. I don't have no beef with. Not i hate to ask this. What is not. It was still medic. I think building shows on still mad really think religion. I found out that. Now's was mad at me. Because i did saw call mega right and i didn't when i did my favorite fucking song on murder music right no. I was one of the mega song when i did. This song mega. He didn't have a vs on it. It was just a beat. i went wrote verse to it. i left. When he puts the song he writes his whole business. Oh i did not didn't know that. So then i found out later. That's why i guess. He thought my verse was about him because he does fall for two. I didn't. I never find out that. I'm guessing changes verse without you. Even knowing i guess he is later after me being vocal about it and talking about it community. That's why i wrote. That's why i wrote the book because the story is so complex pieces to everything. I want people to understand how everything transpired. How went down with. That was one of the main reasons i wrote that. And plus i looked at it like this is my youth. I'm a grown man. Now that book is my youth. That's my youth. That's me growing up right. I'm a grown man now. I'm not like that. no more me. I was very hard headed and ignorant in and on my bullshit. And i grew up so i was like no. You know what. I'm gonna write a book and i'm gonna just explain how grew up in. I'm explaining certain situations for people. Said got understand why is happening. How did that happen. How did you know what i'm saying like it was so many questions. I'm sure the fans wanna know. Why beefing why did this. How did this start with. That was the main reason. Wrote this book because i want people to have a clear picture of how actually went down like phones now. Oh yeah see knows everyone gin just seeing them recently at new york fashion week. We kicked it like you know what i'm saying. We were talking about doing some new music together so we. I don't got no problem with knives. We never really had a. How come like a queens bridge like just summit meeting our never went down. Shooting is is too many too many eagles too. Many people i think is like nori slight. I mean yeah like eight some of the most incredible as mc c. o. one day I was on the phone with for rail and feroze like our first conversation. Never know i saw second conversation. He's on the phone now. He was like yo ask you some. He was like what's wrong with grizzlies outside fucking stick together and just do music. Money goes wrong result. Unlike your son is what it is monday because this shit. That's what happens man. The everybody don't get along. I mean. I'm sure everybody wants to be lovey. Dovey and a perfect. But it's not like that. Like what's the what's the deal now with I'm thinking about other queens. Cats like mega nature. Little's boston hooks like what's all doing their thing. You know what i mean. They're doing their thing. And you know we doing our thing. That's what it is. Everybody is doing separate thing comes in. I mean especially for me. I look at it. I went to a lot of shit. You know what. I mean just like being out there because i'm like outside out there you know what i'm saying. So a lot of people treated me like that. They lean heard. I always had to deal with that attitude. A little bit lot of people might have been scared to say it or they didn't want to say but i could just fill it. You know mean and a lot of people did say so again. It kind of turned me off a little bit in. Maimi really wanted to do my own thing like i never said. I was from queens. Always hamster like you know what i'm saying. And he's a lot of a lot of different people from queens. Brewers would like to would like to. Have you think that. I'm a fake quaintly. I'll i'll say from queens bridge like rarely from the hood. Like i never said one. You just want people to think that they stop people minds like you know what i'm saying so i had to deal with that attitude time with a lot of rappers a lot of regular people in the hood whatever whatever so it kinda turned me and made me just like you know what i kinda i kinda some odds dumanjic. I gotta show it made me. I have to show you now. That i don't care about nothing under this own person on my own entity yang. Don't control anything i do. Don't scare me. I don't give a fuck if some brooklyn the bronx queens bridge jamaica queens. La i don't give a fuck where you from. This is my life. Everybody live their life and live my life in fear. You know what. I'm saying so it made me backup everybody. It made me back over. Everybody and just wanna do my own thing man. That's started doing you. Know my own shit mac. Because i started dealing with a lot of that a lot of that you know. Just just wish people not from our you. Don't you think ironic that like amongst all those. Mc's who look at you like that. And he's like now they're raising children and they're bringing them up in a way to do. Were up in your childhood. Like culturally all stuff. And i haven't thought that now would looking at the video. You doing ballet. I'm like that. The context of where they come from it. As the doting of who you are and now i look at the blue. And i'm like that's her. She's growing up in that environment. So do you see that. Now as clearly and i just that you know it's not everybody everybody's not a bad person like everybody have. That attitude was only certain particular people and Yeah i mean it just is what it is man. I'm me man. you know what i'm saying. I'm the type of person. I was trying to get everybody together and i know i'm that type of person i'm like. Oh come on. you're gonna rat. We made no aid in twin. Everybody rat like you know what i'm saying we're gonna rant nigger and like i don't want to sell drugs. Want to wrap because they know coming in the studio with us come on. You're going to wrap son. You know what i'm saying is to help writer shit. Don't saying we all help each other. You know what i'm saying and then it was just like you know what i'm saying. I'm that type of person to try to keep team strong. Hey keep everybody together while shot a movie for queens bridge called murder music. Everybody's in the movie. Now's everybody's in them on. You know what i'm saying. That's the type of person i am. You know what i'm saying. I'll try to do shit the right way together. Then you got news as haiti's they don't wanna see that they and even from out here. While i was doing that i should be doing so. You listen to the costlo. Supreme we're into our last hour prodigy of my deep and kathy lee journalists and co author prodigy's leaders commissary kitchen. My prison cookbook. And we'll be right back after a quick message from our sponsor. Hi i'm scarlett burke starring creator of make it up as we go. I spent a lot of time each day writing songs working out lyrics and after a long day of running session to session the two things. I love to come home to our dog. Charlie and my favorite chocolate dessert magnum ice fishing. Magnum ice cream makes tubs in bars. All made with belgian chocolate. The ice cream is in a cracking milk chocolate. Shell i enjoy it. Bends been four. When i finally get to sit down but if i'm on the run i might grab a magnum ice cream bar after all in this town. You just never know. Inspiration is going to strike. Just say i don't really want relatable at one a hit and you take break but you know that moment you let them get under your skin. That's it but when it does. I can steal a moment. It's all about cracking into that chocolate. Shell visit magnum ice cream dot com to buy online or destroy new cracking into indulgence from magnum ice cream. Charlie avenue bud journey is probably you of anyone has had a kind of a parallel journey to that of like malcolm x. Where like you had your detroit. Red experience literally right. That's right yeah you you you had your your malcolm little detroit red experience and then in two thousand and eight when you had to do your bid You know you said that that that really changed you my life exp. Explain it. Because what i want to know and i'm trying to asking to wake because i know a lot of people have tendency especially in the press ever tendency like fetishizes jail like or dislike people had so tell me what was it like or whatever but i'm personally curious like to be a celebrity going into that environment like what is it. What is your first day. Like when you're when you're going there is was back a little bit and say because i always think is always think about people comments when they re here the podcast so like what would they say and a lot of people like to say. Why is he talking about all he says ove is in the past like why you keep saying like because this is the questions on being so i'll have to answer questions all right. You know what i'm saying. I just wanna make that clear real quick for the listeners to settle that comment should down. Like i'm being asked questions. That's why i'm talking about this like you know what i'm saying and and You know. I wrote a book about my life my youth. I wrote a book about my youth and my book talks about all these things and you know what i mean. That's my past. I'm a grown man now. You know what i'm saying. So i put my. I'll put my youth for the people. Said he could see all fucked up shit. And i grew up or fucked up shit that i did and been doing and you know what i mean on the good shit and would got me to this point So that's why did this book. That's why do these interviews and talk about past things a lot because these that people ask and they want to know the answers to so going. When i got locked up It was the best thing that happened to me. Because at this time. I was dealing with a lot of hatred coming from people. Certain people from queens bridge. You know what i mean. Certain people from Know wherever wherever but mostly from queens a couple of individuals have few problems with that. They didn't like me. When i say quick question after the infamous are you still living in mcqueen's birds area or did you like we we we. We probably moved. Like around right after infamous came out. I was living with having quainton for two years. When we working on infamous. I'm saying right. We will stay at his crib or we take equipment back to long island hempstead change of scenery for a little while. We go back to queen's bridge like you know what i'm saying so after the infamous job when he was doing told shit we kinda like but we still go back all the time because this is why people on the block. You know what i mean and we grew up with the mentalities. You don't shit on your people. Okay you always take care of your people like you know what i mean. You don't run away from problems. You don't run away from anything you deal with it you face it. You know what i mean and you deal with the. That's how we grew up. So that's why. I was still in in his communities dealing with my peoples that i grew up with my peers. 'cause i'm not type person who's going to run away from shit i gotta deal with like you know what i'm saying is like we were just learning how to navigate being celebrity no last year and never awkward going back there even though you're obviously established as a celebrity rapper and now 'cause i was just like home base that was like the block you know what i'm saying. We go to block fun like drink all night. I fall asleep on the bench. Wake up in the morning. Little kids going to school. You know i'm saying like oh shit lake. You know what i mean. So that was the block was well. That's why friends is that we may something monumental from this block. We created infamous mob. Deep deeply created all his shit so this is our shit. This is our people like this is home team. So that's mentality was but You know after a while you know we do a lot of jealousy people. Pay p coming ryan jury. He named from all right. I'll nick by my life. Why you read my my life. That's what they like to say. You know what i'm saying. You mama life. Everybody likes to say that's so crazy. But anyway i was dealing with people that didn't grow up with me. Having what with all these people know all up in noy twin they grew up with all these negative. I didn't grow up with these people. You know what i'm saying so they don't know me. I'll know them we figuring out each other. I'm seeing who scared who not. Who's putting pressure on people who during this. I'm like oh word. That's how he's gonna get download. Word is out in the world. Like you know what i'm saying i'm learning. That's i'm kids. Still learning as i go and know we got to the point where we've just gentlemen lot of jealousy and we had to click up. We had to strap up. Like you know what i mean. It's all like we had to strap up like we got beef. Nigga that shoot people saying like these shoot people like and that's it so they cut people shoot people like that's what we was dealing with. So i'm protecting myself. I mean how would carry the hammer. I'm not out doing the harm to nobody. I mean at this point in my life. I'm just protecting myself so you know it. Just got bad man. It got to the point where you know i started. Just just losing it man like you know what i'm saying so much negative negative thoughts so much all the time just ready to shoot somebody every time i get my car and walk into my crib or whatever. I'm like somebody going to try to run up on my caller being the bushes or won't point like you know what i'm saying like sir shit that we used to do the people back in the days. We was bad kids. We was bag on a high school. He was like karma would come back. We was found negative. Fascism people robbing people doing foul. No young young shit right. So i got the mentality already like deaths. How nick has you down. And i'm not gonna let that happen to me so i'm like you know carrying guns. I'm dealing with mental. And that's it rots your fucking brain and your spirit as suit rights you keep thinking like that and keep living like that and moving like that. It just takes away from your spirit. Managers make sure of foul person after a while like you know me 'cause you dealing with all this negativity and people saying they're going to do this to me when they see me in making threats and did not stand up for myself lightning. You ain't doing nothing when you see me like you know what i'm saying. That's what it was so unfortunately to do crazy life that i was growing up living in the shit that i had to do it. And he got to the point where you know. I was just out of control man. Smoke man bleeds drinking heavily like already learn to sit. Fucks up my secret cell. When i do that i was so angry and just wanted hurt. Somebody there's always like trigger finger itchy ready to show a nigga late play with me like i'm just trying i'm going about my business. Doing my music megamall more money. Don't come over here playing with my life. You don't saying because you go to find out what happens so this is my mentality everyday and that's just started to like. I say it started right away. My spirit my brain. Everything was just like us felt disgusting. And i didn't realize how discussing was until i got caught with a gun in my car and got locked up and start thinking about everything like dan just just living life and just not thinking being young minded and it was just. It was just bad. It wasn't good. Man it was i was i was gonna eventually get killed or some all i was gonna kill somebody or hurt out and went to jail. Deathly going to happen. That was definitely for sure. One thousand gonna happen events. If i didn't go to jail you know what i'm saying. It was like series Sad to say you know what i mean. I know a lot of people. Listen to this interview layer. Like i say album late. You're going to be tough peeved talking tough now you real. I don't think it's tough. But i like to address the people that think that so they can hear me say so. Save your little piece tough. Because i'm already ahead of you know what you're thinking. I think we have a nurse. Some people they hit our neighbor. Like oh this guy thing. He's talking tough you trying to make his trying to portray his life. There's some there's not. I'm just being honest know what it was. I really thanks for this. Because the thing is that hip hop really doesn't allow for its figures to come in a kind of a three dimensional flesh and blood tone like. This is the first time. I'm really hearing your story like i've known of you for twenty plus years as an artist and i've read lots of articles but you know i've never ever known about your life or your experiences like this the first time i'm really really really hearing you as a human being even speak in complete sentences so no no no i i mean i think the concer think if anything you know. It's it's more you really showing a human side to your life journey your experiences you know i was going down a bad a bad roll man. 'cause it was just like shit was escalating. The drama was escalating threats. People making threats to us right was escalating. Like it was getting really crazy. And especially we have the g you wanna do and the money got even bigger. A lot of people would allow. These numbers is stupid. Sign of fatigue. We stupid they understand it. We got a relationship with fifty eight percent fifty from like my family. Like you know what. I'm saying like we got friends in common. You know what. I mean like fifty got friends in common like you know what i'm saying. It was just meant to be. You know what i'm saying. He got in a position where he was able to put you on reach back to his favorite audits or whatever and he was like mall de como. You come with me saying come on. We was like whole up. We out of this. You're going to get this district get this. We was like what are we saying. We was like where do we out thing verte people. It's funny i. I was people like years ago. darryl review it wasn't even review. I was just on our little website. And i was talking about the album. I know i love. It was okay. I was on the lawn. It was like on but then lord the lawn but then it went player. Or guy all insane. Losch no i was just do. I'm i'm as well we just talk. And i'm like manning the wagon read. This shit is like thirty people here. Whatever the initiate goes okay player then like two three days. Laters exit sailed fonte dishes. Mom they'll put the are you serious so then like a couple years later it was. I guess it was right before you went in and like he wrote he wrote a blog. He was like you know what i'm saying. He was he was like this back. I was like it's like four guest row control elevator. So maybe you this offer satellite really talk. We've met like once. I mentioned wants to al's crib but But yeah but this we really talk. And so afterwards The joint came out. And then you the blog and then you went on your in your bid so then On tours we was touring It was lb little brother and Evidence was with us and he our them and so being out on the bus like we just chopping it up about everything we just talk. Whatever and he was he asked me. He's like the album like your white house like dog. It wasn't that i first off i did. You know they'll listen to it at that point. I said it was better much like phonology. I think age better than it would than it did. Not in critique the my the our myself what i'm saying when i when i read what you said it made me think that's it hit me. I was like he said we got. Richard stopped trying yesterday wants to do brasi. Going to be able to so. I thought i'd be real beef. Wasn't dollars a real for one set. Look when you said that it made me. Think like and ben being locked up. That's just made me think about everything. Maybe thinking about life decisions that we would make in just everything 'cause no i'm sitting here without nothing else to do but think so not just thinking about all life decisions. We made business decisions and wrote a rare debt. I listen to the album and hear other people talk about. It was bad we a on it but that would you will coming from a different perspective. There was other people that was like just mad. We signed and they like mom. I was i was on a street one day and his old black lady said to be like seven years old. She me she was like prodigy. Fuck yes how's your mom. Depots deep will sign nobody else. I'm just a business model. They figured homey legs the queen's like she was upset about the made sense for me. I thought he was from queens from queens looking out. I got there just for me at that time as a family and grand. This is ten years ago. I mean we will have grown since then but my thing. 'cause i was coming off the the free agents joint and that was my shit. I was like y'all actually coming off Navy on jazz giants. Look we wish job loves insurance as always was just like i mean the stuff that was doing is particularly like alchemists. just the chemistry. Y'all still have like we return to max house like yo do that. I'm like man so so for me coming from that perspective y. Said the dot. Richardson was just like man. Like to me. It just felt. Like i understood on paper and like why by but just the media's as a true hardcore fan i was just like man i just did them i thought about it i was like wow because i'm sitting there listening to what i examined album that unit. We do so much. And when i got out of it is when when i was in jail when i was just like listening to and listening to try to figure out why people saying things that they were saying and i was like. I'll say okay. The first thing that i noticed that it was too much jeevan our they was almost every song. I didn't realize that. Wow it making. We were just having fun. Like oh shit i come all do this old but come on on banks get on this one saying we're not even thinking like having fun movie so but not being in jail sitting there with nothing to do. Just like listening analysing alum like all k- is to stay on too many songs. Not only that but it was. It was too many like beats from outside of there wasn't really like moths deep sounding but we didn't realized that while we sitting here making it was like so caught up on g five on going on so we like no we would just living the high life like you know what i'm saying like we was already used to. You know having flown on the road now just like living life on steroids. Like you know what i'm saying with the money now in the big budget and the private jets arenas every night like you know what i mean so we were just lost man. We lost at that point. I was officially lost. Because i'm already. I already got the attitude like Got to defend myself like it had threats going on so the dresses is even higher. Now 'cause we got bread fifty. I bought a bullet-proof truck. I'm like these negative. I'm saying i'm like fifty moving right. I'm about to do the same thing because we getting threats like that and we kinda got beef with the same niggers almost like you know what i mean so it was like you know. I just wasn't living right so not living right. Plus access to all of that. No money highlife. It was just like a recipe for disaster. You know what i'm saying. I was i was gone. I was gone dog yummy. Like i'll i was gone so i had to locked that first that first week or the first day like it is is the goal just to be under the radar and do time or like four people that are notable and doing time is their thing where the judges like. I know 'cause. I know two pox case he was. They gladly few him in jim partner. You jim pile no protects. You know what i'm saying. So is it a thing where like what is your goal or what is your thought mentality that first week there. It's messy with your condition which leads to the book. Which when i when. I got locked up when i realize i had to go to jail and served three and a half years and i got locked up. I knew this. I gotta do this time. You know what. I'm saying in a win in there with the attitude like i don't wanna make friends on like you said fly under the radar do my time. You forgotten to get my shit. I went in there with the mentality to get my shit together. 'cause already doing my problem was already knew would downfall was as far as like streak should also going through in my health. Just my spirituality Spirit wasn't right on winning with the plans to get my spirit together your body together get my health in order com and try to come out a better person solve really winning in went to school with. I went to school to learn myself. How much time did you have to prepare from the time it. You're sentenced to the time at year going in. Because i know that you have a family take care of and that sort of thing so do i. It was about maybe a few months like three or four months. Maybe okay and Yeah i went in there with the attitude. Like i'm going in here to get my shit together Disciplined myself swath diet as far as you know just spirituality my thoughts you know what i mean. I started reading a lot of books. on you. Know you thought patterns and he noted negative does change it immediately into something positive in when you practice when you practice that it becomes normal. You know what i'm saying. What's your practice. Getting rid of negative thoughts as soon as you think it becomes normal and just you know everything just getting better with myself and be trying to become a better person and like i said i was listening to albums and seeing what we did wrong. He's doing right. I was just analyzing everything. Like and It took me some time. Just because i was writing blogs and you know what mean still. Poppy shouldn't talking crazy shit. But then after awhile started being like okay. I'm going about this all wrong. You know what i'm saying. I gotta i gotta be more you know. I got to be more humble humbling. You're saying humble myself from calm down and you know what i'm saying. I was sitting in the day one day. One of my young there is named fresh and we watch bt. It's my video came on his garbage. You like shit. He was not why you say everything is garbage that give people a chance. He's going to give nobody a chance like you say he's he was dead serious said it just like that now. He made me look at myself. Never thought about that. I was like i was like damn. You're right like i never like. I was right. He was like yo to do just trying to get his money monday. Like everybody not the same you. Everybody got different tastes. Just let that man get. His money stopped shitting on everybody. That you know what i'm saying. A dash it made me. That should change me. I was like oh. I never thought of it like that somebody. Nobody ever said that to me before you know what i'm saying. They would just let me be me. No one challenge you right. They never say was wrong with you. Sit like shut the fuck up like you know what i'm saying me get his money like you know what i'm saying and i was made me look myself. I felt stupid when he said that doubt. I had the wrong attitude holds. Are you know what i'm saying. Now how does how does someone survive immense system with a dietary restrictions like is it possible to be a vegan in jail or vegetarian and does the private prison complex even allow for those types of of foods to for you to even have access to that. What do they care. Every prisons different every prison allow different. Things in every prison won't allow certain things So every prison is different. One will let you know A whole chicken in oval. They won't let you let it in. I mean it's just so. I have and the package in the ways package. The ways sealed. The color on the package in every gel is different. It's real specific. You know what. I mean for each individual some jazz you can have cds our jails. You can't have. Cd's you're gonna have cassettes some jazz. You know what. I mean that's They still they still set in certain. Jails you only have cassettes. 'cause eight well i was in mistake. Okay i was a mistake. Is that from like Our four hours from here. Okay job in up. You know what i mean. And yes so. Every every prison is different. The food that they did they serve. You know what i'm saying. And what they allow in the package from. Your family is all different so You know they have a special diet in prison for like kosher kosher diet or allow die. You know what i mean. You gotta prove that you know that's your religion and you gotta have a special diet sugar because of one of my friends asked me where you're going to do a book for the folks that mean for the non-sugar The i mean. I don't really know too much about that. But a side note For very few people in this room that no my day managers era. She loves the shit out. This her diet is that fucked up. Oh i he's like noodles as college survival food. I'm like not quite okay. Hipster cues is there. no. I mean she's the type of person it actually yes. She looked at him. Like i'll take this exactly from prison though but a bring kathy into how i. Hey i'm glad you forgot. so what. So what. What is the process in trying these these recipes out that you you made in the in the book and and i i guess the trial and error of it all like how do you even i guess with very little instant instruments or tools. You know it it becomes know creative. Creativity is your is your best instrument. So how do you test these things out to see what works and what doesn't work. There's two like completely different parts of the cookbook. There's the stuff that that. po is cooked. And then there's the stuff that most people in prison cook so you know so. Were you allowed special. No he just chose like see the thing. That's kind of. That's pretty interesting about the commissary catching cookbook. Is everything that was cooked was what you could purchasing commissary. But you know he had been through. What was it five different prisons and three years because he always had have an infirmary like nearby so you know he was moved but i think he spent the longest midst so in doing that research i went through the commissary that was available at midstate to know what some of those items were and then georgia typical meal. What's a typical breakfast. We'll typical breakfast at chow's different from c. Because they would give. The breakfast would be at six right. Lunch would be at ten six. Am yeah so you gotta wake up. What was it like like cordial six six thirty six thirty virtues and they go to yard seven lunch would be at ten. Four o'clock was dinner and you were done so when you had jesus christ. It came to the commissary. That was the thing that that people use to fill to fill them up for the rest of the day. So if your family doesn't have a lot of money to fill the commentary that's where you get those traditional prison meals like mashing up cheetos pouring chili on them because those are the cheapest things in commissary walker and also there's a limitation to what like family could mail you as well and p would make most of that Those deliveries of nothing but canned vegetables. Because they're in a can they way more so it wasn't like he was able to get like tons of spinach because he would mostly get spinach delivered like that but it's by can so their kids even though the potential of that being a weapon you can use. The top is a raised knife to not stupid. They won't allow cds but you can have. Okay yeah so you know in in going through and going through this book you know when we were going through the recipes that he actually made There was just this whole other part that i feel like this. This voice to culture of people wanting to know about those kinds of traditional prison meals doing that research and seeing some of those things and the thing that i thought was really important about putting it in the book was you know peace. First day he had food poisoning because one of the inmates wanted to make him a welcome meal which was one of those additional prison dishes but peace stomach obviously wasn't trained to that it's like going to mexico and drinking the water. You know prisoners open prison surprise which is Jack mashed up cheetos to make a cheese sauce over rahman right something like that and and by the end of the night he had an iv in his arm. So because you know. He wasn't used to eating and i mean the thing sweating bullets throwing up. Fuck me up. And you learn about certain things and doing this research Where like for example. The only give you fruit punch and ice tea but if you want water they give you an empty jug and you have to get it. So it's like if you want to lead a healthy lifestyle you have to actively pursue it in prison. So there's there's also you know there's this There's prison t that. A lot of inmates drink which is just simply rahman pack it in water and the robin pack and i was like seventy five hundred milligrams of sodium. So you're drinking water. That's prison t. It's called prisons. Who and how you. How are you able to cook the food on your own in your cell like. Are you allowed now. there is a. There's a common area where there's a microwave and a toaster oven. Which is that's why so. Many of these meals are so simple. Which is why so. Many people in dorms will gravitate toward because of just the availability of those just to devices in a couple of other things. So you know in but in doing the research you you really learn the way the prison system kind of controls the situation and you know for me. The reason why. I even you know i was part of this project was over over. Like you know the ten fifteen years that. I've been a journalist. I've had this kind of like unique privilege of speaking to a lot of artists right when they got out of prison. And i spoke with p like right when he got out but also spoke with busey and come to find out the but he had also cancer. Oh shit so. I believe it was kidney cancer so and they blamed it on the lean but i started to like you know you start putting into together how people can enter somewhat healthy and leave like completely a mess and you know in talking with p. about it like literally when he got out and he was just telling me these stories and never forget. It was one of your guys gave me one of the cassettes that were available prison and it was a. Jv kissed the last kiss and like a prison catalog. And he's like yeah. This is what's available. So i was just like going through the what was available and i'm like how can anyone survive on this stuff. So you know we were putting this this together and you just look at the nutritional information and then i started to dig even deeper and you look at what was available in. Like the u k in the fifties. A typical prison meal was like prime rib and like mashed potatoes and glazed carrots. That was like a typical prison. Neil good now and you start to you see what happens over the years and especially as it made its way to this country and and like what was available i mean even in the past what was available here was so fundamentally different than what's available now and you know when we were touring this book. The biggest prison strike in history was happening so it was kinda like this perfect storm but it was also pretty funny because some of the stuff they were discussing like we didn't make it to politically heavy. But if you start to read about some of these recipes and then what's available and all this other stuff you can kind of put together and be like oh you know trying to kill you in there you know with book did get banned banned in california because yeah but they said it was because there was a huge recipe. Like who doesn't know how to make hooch at this point. But you know and i think i think there's also parts of you know especially when it comes to pop culture the way people like glamorise prison especially because of orange is the new black and just make it seem like this like cool place for camaraderie and and there is some of that in the book. You know that some of that is true. But there's also something real. I mean there's an episode of orange is the new black. Were they The use the prison packets for current for currency so that they could seize their food. But it's the sodium like you know or there's a joke one of the Inmates pretends to be jewish. She can she can. She can have a kosher meal but like because the kosher meal is the only meal that actually has fresh vegetables in it. So you know. There's there's things that they that they put in there that i think are. It's pretty cool. But if you don't do your research on why those things are even incorporated into those episodes or whatever you know you don't you don't really understand what's going on so Yeah i mean. The kosher meals are amazing in prison and the only fresh thing that That in peace facility were allowed to have as an apple. Celery sticks sticks until the day that you You rated a little puns radio to see you. The correction officers frigerator little pun the race. Calm little pongy look like but he would eat the inmates food like he would come in there and he would eat their meals. Like why you eat is there. Is there someone to be an advocate for better health. There's there's some steps that i know in california better now leaving their respective I mean these are like missile and missile level chefs. James beard chefs that kind of felt in a moral waves immoral for them to learn cuisine and then charge people two thousand dollars to eat it and so they're going the opposite they're they're going to the hoods they're going to in like south central opening up healthy versions of fast food spots and even magic johnson said the reason why he you know opened up a friday's was because you know that's one of the few places where you can get a garden salad that sort of thing Nobody kit carson theft up a woman brutes magic and say you know. I hope this like when he opened his. She's like yo. I really hope you open a restaurant and bring it to the hood. So we can have fresh salads. Because you'll be shocked at the fact that you cannot find now that most who had spots are being gentrified i mean even with the lax. They opened up a law and styles. You know giving people their first taste of healthy options. So it's like you know for for lot of a lot of people especially like i mean. The idea of soul food is inaccessible inaccessible. Now like you go to find southern cuisine spots at least in the northeast not nine north carolina's eight shortages right now in most hoods are takeout chinese light where people had the experience of like collard greens and chicken grits for dinner like in the sixties and seventies. Now it's wayne white. Yeah rice and wings run under five bucks paint. Lemonade icy mix. So it's like barter. Do you remember placing right cheeseburger specialists so after you experience. I'm just i'm just asking. Do you feel that. It's almost necessary that someone advocates Or speaks on the behalf of of getting better conditions. Because i often hear of the conditions in prison being horrible and you know sub-standard and of course you'll hear these these you know right wing republicans just being like you know prison deserves but you know still you still got to treat a person human and so is there any is is is it. Is there any step or do you realistically see reality where that could be changed. I think it's getting. It's getting everyone on board but having their own reasons for it like i a lot of a lot of right wing. Republicans have hit me and my dm's along with crazed mob deep fans. But you know kind of trying to challenge me in this discussion and you know. We'll their prisoners like they can eat whatever whatever and even if you take away like the The human aspect of it right. Someone enters prison healthy. They leave with diabetes hypertension. You know i'm poor liver functions everything right When they get sick they go to the er you pay for the are so if you don't wanna even look at it for anything other than selfish save intial look at that look at that at the heart of it that it's still it's costing you money for these for people to to get better essentially so you know it's horrible reason to have to. It's a horrible argument to even present but there are some people that yeah yeah well. People don't also realized you know when when you hear people arguing against the idea of private prison Industry complex people don't know that If you're one of the commissary owners There is a website. There was an article i was reading about. I guess one of the ceos of by. I know if bond time is a thing here. It's in pennsylvania. Real big little. Debbie's bond time these local snack companies. But they are making a killion being the exclusive provider of all these high snacks and it's almost like filled. I'm not even. I feel almost no that. It's like the cheapest high sodium high sugar melt which keeps you almost. And what's funny is even when you go visit. John just made me think about something. Because i've been away too many prisons in jersey even when you go to visit. They don't even provide like the snacks are the same for as for the visit. Like say their family's as kids and they want to eat something water there. You better go to the vending machine and gives you chocolate or something not even like the trail. Mix nothing in that area is it can. Is there not one. Prison is worth working on their dietary situation. You know i think. The martha stewart martha stewart changed her spot in west virginia. And she still yeah. She's still hers. Is like a minimum security federal. Women's prison. I think it was morgan. Morgan thomas do yes. She's still actively sends them fresh vegetables and fruit. And you know what what what's going to ultimately happen. In my opinion i mean. I'm seeing some of it that they're they're talking about doing it new york. It's gonna take someone trying to do it in such a kitschy way. Because that's what's gonna end up. It's going to become trendy to do it. Because i was reading some articles like check out the farm to table prison. Whatever and it becomes. It's gonna take that rebranding to be that unfortunately in the same way that you got to change the argument for republicans on the whole prison system in general. But it's gonna be something cutesy for them to kids with doing is like wait a minute right right. So heroin got rebranded. The the jump from oz to orange is the new black You know what took off by making it like. Hey what happens when you you know like. Yeah so i think i think that's going to be the thing that will have to do it. You know it's not not similar but when people started to advocate for better snacks and offices and schools and all these other things where those things had to change but it had to be a slow build. It's a harder argument in prison. Kathy are you saying michelle. Obama missed out on that one. Because i just old like she was supposed to cover that or you know i love praise due to the queen but right the clue just went off in my head right. She did schools. She do neighbor would. Oh well you know. The thing that michelle obama did that i was wonderful to was You know there's a school in particular. I forget the name You know my mom had consulted for them in newark. They had a garden at the top on the roof and the kids would grow the vegetables they would pull down. The vegetables named cook with vegetables for their lunches so she did some amazing things. But that kind of stuff doesn't translate into prison. You know. I i think the the initiative that she did was it was making nutrition fun because that was the problem. Kids weren't having fun with nutrition. Your your brussels sprouts or gross. You know diplomat chocolate like whenever like that. You're making you're making. You're making nutrition fun but convincing convincing rates whose families are maybe putting five dollars into their commissary and they finish eating at four pm and they're starving by eight o'clock and they're hanging out in the common area and all they have is like enough in their commissary for rama noodles convinced. Them that nutrition is fun. Because what what happens is it's not it's not the commissary necessarily. That's the problem. It's the quality of the food that they're eating and child too. I mean the sodium levels of some of those things but also it's expired food sometimes they'll leave cans for however long i mean there's rat poisoning and certain prisons and some of the food. They found glass pubic hair. I mean these are things like these are real issues that just the quality of the food alone in what ends up happening is a lot of the inmates. Don't wanna eat the food you know who's going to want to eat that so it becomes a matter of all right well. I'll just eat some chips. There's a lot of artists that i've spoken to. Who when they got out of prison and even before meeting P and hearing that story. I would say what did you eat most of the time just some chips like living off like freedom and and then i remember I forget the artists was it thurston. How third who did the prison cooking shows and he would do this like show where he would like you know mash up all like the food and he would like make. These prison dishes and i was just so fascinated. I'm just like yeah. I get it because of like if someone said to you okay every day all you can eat the bag of cheetos bag of doritos one of those packets of chili and a pack of rama noodles. Of course by week three remix. You're trying to deep fryer ramen noodles in the toaster. And you're trying to make a burger out of the chili patty. Like you're gonna try to get creative and that that chapter that we put in the book remember. I remember talking to pe- about and he's like you know some of the things were going over. And he's like fucking disgusting because like you know he was like he just made a concerted effort to not touch any of that stuff because for him. It was like it could. It's life you know there. He can't eat that stuff. So i mean i remember when you know there was like a a lot of the guys would go in and they cook together and i remember you know asking me like what was the main thing. And he's like no. I would just have spinach. Like if i didn't if there was if i didn't want to cook i would just keep eating canned spinach but you don't even have to wash that off. It's like packed with sodium. So there's really no way out if you don't sit and think about it which is why we put this book together because it's like listen i get it you know. Maybe you're commissary is lower than the next guy but there's ways around what you're choosing the by and how you're choosing to prepare you know. Can i ask. What was the first thing you when you got out onto this korean barbecue. Spot julio okay downtown and so green barbecue because it's really good thought about it. The whole bid assume. Every time. I sat down and ate xiao's like yo man if i was home right now. I'll be eating korean barbecue. Everybody was like what the fuck is that. Trust alternate you. Make it yourself chest me so as soon as i got out we drove straight to the restaurant and i couldn't wait to eat some more that good food diet and stuff like on a day to day now You know. I just try to my favorite any. I'll try to grow chicken Like kennedy said a lot of green vegetables. Lot of water brown rice. You know i try to just eliminate fraud foods and red meat's You know it takes time to get to that point lot of time and discipline. Some people don't like border. You know what i mean. It took me about a year to really get used to like. I just guzzle warning and i love how it tastes before dollars always craving for juice or you know what. I'm saying soda. It's it takes time to develop a discipline your body and your mind and your taste buds to you know to do the right thing. So you know after a while you know. Even before i went to jail i was already learning stuff in my twenties. Like you know what i'm saying and You know just being locked up. It made me like i. I wanna see what happens if i'm also military discipline. Shit i wanna see what happens how my body is gonna react. How my mind how how things are going to be different if i like also military discipline straight water every day green vegetable. I wanted to see outcome that so i did it. You know what. I mean because of doing that i was able to work out like you know they. Doctors told me all my life. I can't work out. I can't do any Physical contact or a strenuous exercise. 'cause the trigger is oh and it's true like certain things i do if i if from running around too much in my heart rate star going too fast i get to heighten gentleman stop pumping. It trim cigarette. It can trigger them six so once cleaned out changing my diet and was very very very strict with it in with the water very strict with the vegetables and everything. I noticed that was again sick. I didn't feel sick at all. I was able to work out not feel sick like you know what i mean. I was able to get strong and it felt great. Feel great. I was like wow this is ill like you know what i'm saying because i was already doing it. Industries like i how to do that in my twenties. I kinda fell off. You know what. I mean right before the jail i started going a little downward spiral going through some bullshit in my life but You know i. I was already with that discipline. I'd already changed my life. Five six years straight a no smoking this is. This is from two thousand. I mean excuse me from ninety eight ninety seven ninety eight like two thousand two something like that. You know what i'm saying. Oh two thousand. Maybe two thousand three on you. I was strict diet. Should i was like learning how to hear myself through. Diet and and spirituality. So i did that already. Felt the affects of it. And then i kinda said kinda darren spyware right before got locked up so when i got locked up i was like what i want to try what i did. I want to do it to the maximum now on really do like i said straight military discipline with it. So what spirituality delight. Meditating debriefing just basing your thoughts affirmations yeah like just a pile of your thoughts you know what. I'm saying. Negative thoughts like if somebody like especially being in jail. Everybody got bad at it so nobody wants to be everybody's upset things like everybody wakes up in the morning pissed off nobody would even the see. Even a correction officers are pissed off. They gotta be there so everybody got an attitude in that motherfucker and especially correction officer. They talked to like go. Go go wash the toilets boss you around like they fuck what you especially when they first meet in you know you. Are they fuck with you. They try to pressure buttons to see how you react. So i use that as i. This is gonna be my training control my thoughts as soon as he or anybody gives me a bad attitude instead of me saying fuck in my mind. I in my mind's to be fuck this nigga you know what i'm saying piece of shit but then now i started practicing as soon as that thought pops in my head changes like know what pray for him. You know what. I'm saying his thing together. You know what i mean. He don't know what he's doing saying he just angry got work here. So i'll i'll pray for this person. Actually change my thoughts to that. So i started practicing that in there and i like the perfect place to practice today. You know what i'm saying. Because he dillard all tension and right now should every day. so i would practice that everyday everyday. Practice changing my thoughts in media as soon as the problem i changed to something else and then i kept doing it. It just happened naturally only have to think about it no more and to eat and write in. You know thinking different chain spirituality that changes your spirit when you start thinking different. You know you more at peace right you more at peace with everybody else in yourself. You know what i'm saying. You walk peacefully you carry yourself peacefully At the same time you know who i am. I grew up our grew up. So it's not like i turned into some solf succomb fucking. I just know how to control my thoughts now. Aaron evolve fine. I was gonna say man. I hit a new record to listen to it on the plane on the way over here. Thanks and she does dope man. I can hear like just the the. I want to misquote the liquid. It was one join in particular. You talking about you know it ain't about blacking out. Can you a bunch of religion. You would just you know. Just kinda superior to tyranny tyranny and using tyranny about none of that race. Don't matter that was it. Your faith don't matter. The enemy is government tyranny. All that other shit. Don't matter like you know what i'm saying. You rich no matter you broke. Don't matter the enemy. They threaten our liberties all that other shit. Don't matter that's why. I'm trying to get 'cause they try to tao attention with like a lot of racial issues. I don't get me wrong. There's a lot of racial issues with this country for a long time. But they magnified shit on news and in magnify so much to the point where we think is more than what it really is like and if people only knew we all have a common enemy. That's really china. Destroy out spirit. Soul and i control We actually have a common enemy. Is you know what i'm saying. That's what i was trying to get across the point out across on that song so You know our practice that in just it changed me man s. It felt great. I was like oh this is. This is a great way to think. I'll i'm glad i was doing this. I was like man. This is great and meditation. Well thank you know what i mean. It just made me feel better. I feel better every day as a person like you know what i mean. Well privacy we are going to have to close the show. Unfortunately we could talk to you forever. I do have one last question. What up doe are we going to get one more reunion album out of you and having we definitely have like crack fiends when it comes to hip hop is like we know like rock kimberlite fien. So you're about to do some. You're you're you're going to do You do on a few projects with live musicians doing residency of at blue note. That's every month. Yeah we do it once a month. So how can people find out like news about upcoming dates with you and that sort of thing always tell people like you know you always. Google may hit hit up google. I are you twitter. Yeah yeah. I'm auto brand prodigy mob deep But jake so myself if you wanna know what any of your favorite artists performing or when a new album is dropping and you could go right on google and just below yo new album prodigy new concert or you know what i'm saying like and all pop up like or or you you i guess Cleverly released the at the gelian. Dial dialectic on january twentieth inauguration day which was yeah i was gonna say and i was planned out. We did that figured as much. Oh and is birthday your birthday. Yeah it's all about you right. Well kathy and i thank you very much for I don't even think. I'll go through the customary. What we learn thing. Because i think we learned everything at the same time out there by two minutes. I'll always gotta do this mash out. Jazy solid nyse south omaha. Nikki's man you know what i'm saying so low now fuck with john niggers mandy. I'm a fan of you. Know what i'm saying. We went to shit. I'm a fan. Love son he's one of the elders. I learned so much from him do business. Hi chari yourself. you're saying with naza. I learned so much how he writes songs and make his music light. You know what i'm saying. It ain't no anal beefy. No shit man we grow. We are now involved comments. Don't read them calm. Comments be better than articles. Take him down to my number nine positive you'll remember the listeners out. The main anybody who go to jail. I was locked up with a lot of characters from different walks of life. You're that bill. Joe judge's da's detective prisoner just said that the epidemic and there were engineers. Louis news engineers. Anybody could get locked up mistakes happy. You know what i mean. You could make a mistake of fatal mistake and ended up going to jail and from anywhere wildlife. Look at martha stewart. So while mom saying that is just stay out of jail measuring eat that crap man around the corner store man stale as the street. Man do the right thing and all that no. I won't be surprised kathy. Janda therapies twenty service. Steve damn shuki. Stephen service cookbook. Exactly or hanging out with you know they bill. Bill tikolo and margaret margaret. How many prisoners. You've been to injury like five everywhere tool round. of course love supreme. We will see you on the neck around. thank you very much zeal. It what's love supreme is production. I heart radio. This classic episode was reduced by the team at pandora for more podcast for my heart radio. Visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows what comes next full ford. It's doing what we've done for over a century building and facing any problems with integrity empathy and the strength to outlast. Ford will always pivot to do the right thing and to build for who and what matter most community built for. America built ford proud.

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"From Melbourne the latest from our Newsletter Pot News Dot net the British library's sound archive is who permanently archived the radio moments conversations podcast so that future generations may enjoy the character and color the analog age he's dot net fourteen dynamic microphones and a youtube video perfect for sound engineers and insomniacs and that's the latest from our newsletter. Same City the Mermaid in the city of London french-language podcasts. Probably would do to well in Australia. You'd think but you'd be wrong. SPS French had apartment of the Australian public service broadcaster SPS his celebrating two hundred and fifty thousand downloads per month for their podcast marketing department a team of nine all together wholesale if you like comparing microphones band drew Scott from podcast stage compassion Shen this week it means the podcast hosts figures calculated the way as others like Fox News clips in and Blueberry Hey cast has announced a cast live away to help ask contains interviews with nearly a hundred well-known radio professionals mainly from the UK podcast host is now ABC certified simple cast achieve citation two thousand twenty the successful podcast industry conference run by Radio Days Europe has a date it'll be on the sixteenth of June twenty twenty at a new venue premium PX after one hundred twenty seven podcast shows but how do you market them Donna Hardwick PR is chief marketing officer explains how the because podcasters take their shows live on stage the first program of live events will happen in late two thousand nine hundred thousand into twenty twenty in London and podcast SPF say Cuiaba Subscriber podcasts on the rise digital claims so reporting on slate supporting cast and Stitcher.

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Coachcast #1227 Mostre a que veio

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#37 Hva tenker vi og Kjell om SAS reklamen og innvandring?

Liberaleren Podcast

32:35 min | 1 year ago

#37 Hva tenker vi og Kjell om SAS reklamen og innvandring?

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IP#177 Dr. Matthew Bunson  St. Kateri on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor Podcast

Discerning Hearts - Catholic Podcasts

33:03 min | 8 months ago

IP#177 Dr. Matthew Bunson St. Kateri on Inside the Pages with Kris McGregor Podcast

"DISCERNING HEARTS DOT COM presents inside the pages insights from today's most compelling authors I'm your host Chris. McGregor and I'm delighted to be joined once again by Dr Matthew Bunsen who serves as a senior fellow at the Saint. Paul Center for Biblical Theology, and is one of the United States leading authorities on the papacy and the church. His books include the Encyclopedia of Catholic history. The Encyclopedia of Saints and Saint Damien of Molokai Apostle of the exile along with many many others. Dr Brunson has served as a consultant to MSNBC NBC news CBS Radio and the BBC as well as other media outlets, he serves as the editor of the Catholic Answer magazine published by our Sunday visitor. With Doctor Matthew Bunsen. We go inside the pages of. Saint Qatari Lily of the Mohawks. Published by our Sunday visitor. Matthew, thank you so much for joining me. It's a great pleasure as always be with you Chris. We had a wonderful opportunity to be present at the canonization of. Seven ordinary people who ended up being extraordinary witnesses of the faith, we did and one of the fun. Things of course about attending a canonization is that you get to see the whole universal church come together we had the added pleasure of being able to see you in Rome. So that for me was A. Real gift for the occasion. When we're talking about the seven saints, we're talking really about a diverse group. We had of course. The criteria ticket COUIZA that we're talking about. We had mother Marianne Cope from Hawaii and the mention. We also have Jacques few a French Jesuit. Was Martyred in ninety six in Madagascar Pedro. Collins Saad of Filipino catechists to his martyred in the Mariana Silence. Sixteenth seventy two talion. Priests were the name of Giovanni Battista. Pierre Martin was the founder of a congregation for men and also women. CARMENCITA AC barring Garris Spanish. Nun who is founder of a congregation for the education of children, and then one of the more interesting saints of this group by the name of on Schaefer was German, lay woman who endured immense suffering and became a victim soul. In her life, who has in a way of correspondence I think with the Qatari ticket. The in both were were laywomen. Both gave their lives to Christ. And Were willing to endure rate hardships for him, so we're seeing with this group right here. As I was saying before the universality of the church, but also the rich diversity of holiness. Holiness being expressed in all of its different forms, and and that holiness really is for everyone, Matthew. Help us to appreciate what A. Little is called her lily of the Mohawk twenty four year old, native American, who lived. Essentially what? Over four hundred years ago. What would she have to share with us? Concerning faith, one of the things that leaps out. That's you begin to study. The life of Qatari. is the. Less, John. Paul talks about signs of contradiction that. At first glance. What would this twenty four year old woman who died was a Catholic. Who is a Christian for only four years in her life have really to offer anyone. She seemed at first glance to be someone of very little accomplishment. And yet the the Jesuits who wrote about her talked about her, and we can discuss this little bit more as as we. Discuss her further. Were in awe of her. And they were in awe of her for one particular reason, and that was her face. She was gifted will. Not just faith but faith to a truly heroic degree. And she had faith in the face of persecution. Faith in the face of opposition from her own family, her own tribe. Faith in the face of. Hardships of being a Catholic in the wilderness. And she had. Joy, of discovering faith. In her own life, the joy of the convert and we all know converts to the Church. I hope we do. y'all work. I hope to bring converts to the Church and there is that moment if we have the great privilege of being there when they actually enter into the church? And I've seen this on a number of occasions, the light that sort of explodes out of new converts on the day or the night that that only Saturday for example. Imagine the explosion of joy on the part of Qatari when she was baptized. by the JESUITS. And The. Joy The peace. The light that you could see coming out of her at that event and. It was something that she never lost. And the jesuits remarked upon or faith Jesuits talked about. Her Seal or love or the Church or love for Christ so much, so of course. She declared. Very firmly in her own life that I I have consecrated myself entirely to Jesus. She said the son of Mary. I have chosen him for husband and he'll take me for wife. Is How she put it. To Father Shola Nick when if the JESUITS? The the power of her faith I. Think is the one thing that stood out most an end. If we're looking for role models for young people in face, Qatari, I think is very very powerful. Very counter cultural for her to be able to make that proclamation mean, we think it's a struggle today to be able to witness were faith, but given what she was up against. She really is an extraordinary Whitman. Yes. From an early time in her life. She was of course the the daughter of a Mohawk chief. her mother was an Algonquin captive who was by every account and extraordinary woman. Her name was probably Hinta. and. As was the custom she was captured in war and was made a captive but Qataris father. Actually took her for a wife. And that itself was unusual, but Hinta is gone. Win was a Christian. And you can see the sort of the roots there, in Qataris, young life or ticket Cuiaba as she was originally called her her. Birth name, which means she who puts things in order. and. Because she was the daughter of chief because her. Was a chief. You know and family. Archly exterminated by smallpox tragically so. You can see the pressure that was building within the Mohawk community. And Qatari was expected or ticket COUIZA was expected to marry because that's what the culture of Mohawks indicated, and it makes perfect sense not only for the perpetuation of tribe. As was the custom, but also for political science for the strengthening of tribe of the community of the. Relationships between families. She refused to marry regardless of all of the pressure that was put on her, and this was before her conversion. She was always very different. The smallpox left. Her face badly disfigured Her vision was very poor, she could. Have She had a hard time going out into the sunlight because of the damage to her is, she didn't readily participate in the dancing, which was a major part of a life and in. The tribal community. So, all of the things that would have made her. In a way, set her apart. But the thing that really set her apart was her refusal to marry. and. She was polite about it, but she was also very firm about it. And once she converted, she was even more adamant in her refusal, and that added to the tension. the church was an enemy of the Mohawk people as far as the Mohawks were concerned, and we can talk about why what's the case? So she was adding on to the frustration of the tribe, the frustration of own family, I by converting and then by refusing to wet. But for Ketari this was absolutely crucial, and was a vital component I think of. Her own conversion, but also her own commitment to Christ. She was the first of the native Americans to take a perpetual vow of chastity. And for her, that was one of the greatest moments of life because through it. She was able to conform herself completely to Christ to give herself completely deprived. And that in the eyes I think of the Jesuit. Missionaries was one of the most extraordinary moments of their lives in the wilderness. She is a saint for all those who are in need of courage. Because when you think about Amancio, the fact that she was severely disfigured and. Half Blind. Okay it because that would make her. More, dependent ordinarily on the community for her care for for help in the everyday things, and yet because of this conviction her heart. She stood strong, even it. Facing the potential loss of care. By that community, yeah, For Qatari a series of decisions. Placed her yet. Great danger. Ultimately certainly play stir at a a social disadvantage at a familial disadvantage at a disadvantage within the community. She was ostracized at the time of her conversion. She was later mocked She was simply called the Christian. Within the, Village She was willing to endure all. Of were the faith. And it speaks I think to the wisdom of the Jesuits who especially Jacques Dilemma Ville who was? The Jesuit who I met her. and who was astounded when he wondered inter- or Dwelling founder there. She had injured her leg and was unable to go out and introduced himself, and she said my name is typically, and I wished to become a Christian. You can imagine the shock that he had. He's the one who made a lot of the vital decisions regarding the speed with which she was brought into the church because he saw right from the start this extraordinary young woman. He also kept a very close eye on her and was concerned about her safety, so it reached the point that each center away his recommendation that she leave her village. And move from New York to a settlement just outside of Montreal. where she would be safe. Where there were other Christians other Catholic Indians Shared her love for the Church but who, like her, at faced, exile had faced ostracism. it faced opposition from their own people. But. The intriguing part about that departure was the effort on the part of her uncle. You've had taken. Care of her from the time that she was four when she lost her family. To. Try to bring her back to the village. Because, she was at all the daughter of a chieftain. It's was unacceptable him. But. In the letter that she took with her to Montreal from Jacques to landfill to the jesuits. Who ran this community? He wrote to them. Guard well? This treasure and you will soon discover what jewel it is that I have sent you. And did not take them very long before they in fact discovered How remarkable! The young woman was that WHO had? Arrived in their midst. will return to inside the pages in just a moment. Did you know that discerning hearts has a free APP in which you can find all your favorite discerning hearts programming Father Timothy Gallagher Dr Anthony Lewis, speaking, James Kaeding Mike, aquilina Dr Matthew, Bunsen, and so many more are found on the discerning heart screen. 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In Spain saw immediately the vast opportunities of the new world. Spain of course centered in Mexico and. Central than into South America. a pushed into the south west of the United. States, they were the first of the great movement of. Europeans into the new world. England and France battled it out in very close quarters in North America. Along the eastern seaboard. France of course took Canada because of the for a but joining them every step of the way. With every settlement that the French, every first settlement, every effort to cultivate the economic life of New France. It was called what we consider New York and whole stretches of new, England and into the. Northeast. Journeyed with them missionaries. Were sent out into the Wilderness of North America by France by the Church. The the JESUITS sent out the finest in their midst. These were. Men who had doctorates in Canon Law in theology and spiritual theology and Biblical theology. And they went with one purpose, and that was to proclaim the Gospel in the Wilderness, what they found of course that some of the Indians embraced and were quite taken with what they were preaching. Others however in particular, the Iroquois were allies of the English declared them to be enemies. Why because they were French because they saw them at European invaders. They were Catholics and the Iroquois had been warned about Catholic spy English by the Dutch by all of those who heeded the church as a result of the reformation, and also because of the fact that the French were Catholic. Spanish were Catholic great enemies of the English. So the native Americans, many of them in particular the Iroquois. Did members of the TR- different era quite. Tribes a made up the Iroquois Confederation. We're violently opposed to the black robes. They saw as invaders, but also bringers of a superstition and religion that was foreign and dangerous to the tribes. And so they. Encouraged by the English. Hunted down and killed. The black roads. And we think of the great tragedy of the North American martyrs. This is how it played out. Saint Isaac Job for example was. killed, he was martyred in the vary village in which took Akita. The future sink Terry was born. meaning that her village was literally stained. Filled with the blood of a martyr. On the ground, in which she walked as a young child. And I think that had it's great spiritual effect in the years to come. She was born ten years exactly after the death of Saint Isaac Jokes. And if the blood of the martyrs is indeed the seat of the faith. We can see that literally play out in her village in in Orangeville. and. That's significant. I think because the the work of the black robes, while effectively ended with the death of new France around seventeen, fifty nine, with certain that the capture of Quebec and the seizure of Canada by the English in the Seven Years War Europe and what was called the French and Indian Ward in North America. The legacy of faith of the black robes. The legacy of the martyrdoms of the North American martyrs. played out and was strong and vibrant. Even after new, France had fallen. We see that in the spiritual legacy of Qatari we see that in the devotion of the Catholic native Americans we see that in the perpetuation of the great honor pay to the North American murders, and the legacy of faith that we still have today on not just in Canada but across the whole of the Mid West and in the northeast United States. Credible. Names means something and. Name. She would be baptized some shake Qatari. Say Kettering. But also the it actually means Catherine does. What a legacy to be brought into those great catherine. Yes, she was on the time the time of her baptism she was baptized under the name of Khatri, or Ketari, depending upon how you want to pronounce it. And she was specifically given that name in honor of Catherine of Sienna. which seems to me to be especially fitting because Catherine of Sienna. Had as you well know Chris, if very strong personality. Formidable Person. But. She was also someone who was graced with. Mystical. Abilities was in her own way. A mystic Catherine of Sienna was one of the great mystics of the Middle Ages. And it is very clear that Qatari. Was herself a mystic in. My mother's writings about The Margaret's my late mother. Margaret's writings about Qatari. She always referred to her as the mystic in the wilderness. And when you read the accounts of the black robes of the jesuits, who were the ones who brought her into the faith who provided her with the sacraments who heard her confession worker a spiritual advisers? It's. Manifest that they understood that she was a mystic, it was also manifest them that she was profoundly holy. And when you read their letters about her. They were not simply. Writing about native American, who was? Trying to emulate the Europeans. The writings factor are filled with certain cultural biases as writings in that period always are, we have to always look at the context of things, so they do use phrases like savage savage is when they're referring to the native Americans. That's a cultural bias and we have to factor that in. It makes all the more notable that when they wrote about Qatari. This was not from an amused standpoint. They were not sort of intrigued by this effort on some survivors to emulate to imitate or betters. Rather they were as use this phrase before they were in genuine awe of Qatari. Of prayer life of her faith of her dedication to Christ of her. Her clear mysticism. And in their letters in their accounts that soon spread across new France that soon reached all the way to the to Rome into the courts of royal. Court France. They were building a case for sanctity. And their letters and documents, including witnesses and testimonials after her death. Were as clear as you can possibly imagine. An argument for her heroic virtue. and. An effort to create what for those of us who follow the causes of saints is known as Petite. Basically a document that would try to prove that. She lived the perfection of the virtues to A. Degree And that coming out of jesuits about a young native American woman who died at the age of twenty four. Is Truly remarkable in virtually unprecedented. Mentioned her suffering in the beginning of our discussion, and you also mentioned the saint that would be canonized along with her. Anna Shaffer! talked to us about those victims, souls, those who suffer in such a way that termendous amount of grace's poured out into the world yeah. Well we are. Called to embark as as Pope John Paul the second. wrote. Particular, one of his great documents has been forgotten little bit, but I I. I hope we'll be remembered in. That is self-sufficient Dolores which install. This. Saving way of suffering. that. If, we embark upon the school of the Cross as he puts it. We will learn great lessons. About how to live? And what that means is that we can form our sufferings the sufferings that we have in our life to Christ. All of us are asked to offer up our sufferings. because. We live. We're going to suffer. That is part of our earthly existence. Our fallen nature. But unlike atheists unlike others. We seek to provide meaning to suffering that there's more to it than simply horror of suffering and death. We are able to transform. The suffering of our lives to something that has deeper meaning to become. More than we are by sharing that suffering with Christ. By Conforming ourselves to the cross. And then there are those who. Truly give their lives. To Christ completely and utterly by being a victim soul. And Qatari on a shaffer out there have been others in the history of the church. Have done that. And it is total. Giving of the self in that suffering. Where you really are releasing yourself into Christ's arms to allow him to take your suffering. To offer it to him. And in that way to make of yourself an offering to Christ forward the saving of souls. For the world. To be saved. it is not for everyone. Because, it is a very difficult road. but it was a road. The KETARI was willing to take. It was certainly a road that on a Schaefer was willing to take. Wow! I wish we had more time to discuss this incredible woman, this so young age twenty four. TRESORS AGE IF I'm not mistaken at the time of her death. But that's the true gift that we have in the work that you brought us in Saint. Qatari at the lily of the Mohawks, just to be able to. Get, to know her better, but I would say along with knowing her and reading her a beautiful account in your in your work, but also to pray with her. Because she still very much present in that gray cloud of witnesses young There's series of stories at right after she died Word spread of her death and across a whole of new France, and then all the way to the royal court. and. It was said that when word spread from village to village, and she had to use her name, all they had to say was that the saint was dead. Everyone knew who they were talking about. And in the months and years after her passing. Urals occurred in great number at her tomb. And they weren't simply healings, but they were also. Transformation, spiritual transformations of people people who came to the church because of our people who came back to the church because of her. priests who would ask for intercession promised to go to her tune if children were healed, if mothers would survive difficult birth. The list is really. Amazing to read, and the Jesuits kept very careful records up with witnesses. That's one of the things that we need to remember that Cafeterias now, saint she has been proclaimed saints. He was canonized in Saint Peter's Basilica by Pope Benedict the sixteenth and October twenty first. Two thousand twelve. Let's celebrate that let's also. Talk to her. Let's hold her up as a role model for young people. Young women especially today at a time when they're being so challenged by contemporary culture. To lead unchaste lines to throw away what the Church has to offer. Areas is a role model for them, and she's a model for all of us in dedication to the faith in love for Christ, and also in being willing to suffer for the faith. In our own weights we may not be martyred like the North American murders, but there will be persecution. There will be hostility. We'll be mocked. But carries a great model for us to follow that If we stand firm in the faith. Lives can be transformed in ways that we cannot even begin to imagine. Beautifully said Dr Matthew. Bunsen, thank you so much a great privilege to with you Chris. Look forward to being with you again. With Dr Matthew Bunsen. We've gone inside. The pages of Qatari Lily of the Mohawks to learn more about the spoke or to obtain a copy goto Os fee dot com, the website fourth publisher, our Sunday visitor, or you can find it at any fine Catholic store. To hear and or download this discussion along with many others go to discerning hearts DOT COM. This has been a production of discerning hearts DOT COM. 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The Amazon continues to burn

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The Amazon continues to burn

"The wildfires in the amazon of burning out of control. That's not just a local problem. It is this global holiday human beings all the people from the were all the government had to look for disaffiliation and try to help us. We speak with a firefighter firefighter in brazil and also get an aerial view of the amazon fires. I'm marco werman also today reports that israel has carried out airstrikes in syria lebanon and and iraq. If the israelis have done this and again that's still remains a big yeah. They have raised the level of tension and potentially put the region closer closer to a war footing than it was a month and a half ago and will meet fyodorov but he did that. Disabled listen so the first russian russian robot in space stores more today on the world. I'm marco werman. You're with the world it. It is not one wildfire in brazil. Tens of thousands of wildfires are burning in the amazon region. The clouds of smoke they're sending into the atmosphere are so large large they can be seen from outer space but a closer look from a helicopter. Just above the tree line might be even more troubling burkhead bbc colleague will grant took a tour above parts of the amazon rainforest that are going up in flames is extremely upsetting setting extremely disturbing to see this kind of devastation unfolding in front of you. I asked well what he's been seeing and hearing over the past few days as in rhodesia state which has been severely hit by the wildfires. It was pretty breathtaking marker. I mean just to see such environmental devastation unfolding folding right in front of you head says after hectares of forest just going up in smoke absolutely no sign of anyone doing anything to prevent it obviously quite remote regions but yeah it is unfolding on a huge scale and of course even in the state capital of pota- value <hes> quite often you would have a blanket of smoke and dust and ash covering the sky just hazy skies the entire time. It's an environmental environmental catastrophe taking place with very very little science sent me that is sort of any concerted effort going on to prevent it and why why is that well is it because officials are just sitting on their hands or is it because they don't have the resources to fight these fires. It's a combination of factors president. Bolsonaro don't absolutely intends and has made it policy to open up the amazon in terms of this balanced always being attempted to be struck by successive governments wants in brazil balancing the opening up and the development of the amazon rizzo was versus the protection of it for the good of the entire world president president bolsonaro fools very hard on the side of developing it opening up protected lands to mining opening up the amazon to farming industrial a farming logging nine terms of this particular crisis. I think you are right to say there isn't element of people sitting on the hands whether or not it's bureaucracy a lack of equipment. That's a little hard to know for sure but what is certainly the case is. Not a government has cut funding for some key agencies devoted to protecting the amazon region in recent months uh-huh. Did you speak with any people in dunya state. Are they talking about ball scenario or are. They just too busy fleeing the fires with their lives. I didn't speak to people who are aw right in the flames as it were there obviously villages in individual groups of people who are much closer than others but certainly in the state capital. Obviously people people think about giant bozo. He's one of those personalities much like donald trump who completely dominates the political discourse. You can't get away from him. Even if you wanted to so yes they do think about these things but at the same time most people are just focusing on getting by. It's important to note the danica for example. He's is actually very popular. He won with over seventy percent of the vote. <hes> that said that popularity is plummeting and i think what concerns a lot of people is just the tone that the president is taking the damage that he's potentially dating to brazil standing around the world so will you spoke about some of the mining policies of farming policies abc's. Has there been any pushback on the lack of strategy for controlling these fires from any of those industries or like agribusiness which also is deeply invested in the amazon. I think a lot of those businesses are keen to see these fires rage. Ultimately the forest for them is in the way so it's a gradual process. I you deforest the most valuable timber then the forest is much weakened and setting fires becomes far far easier where the forest is extremely dense and verdant to green light a match in the humidity. Let alone set on fire and that is happening. It appears from a variety of sources. Yes small scale subsistence. John spammers who've been doing slash-and-burn decades in rural brazil around latin america also cattleman cutting down the trees and using fires away to clear land for their cattle now and also potentially big industry. It's hard to prove butts given the nature of the administration what i would who says i think whoever is setting these files sent. He feels emboldened enough to do so now. We're going to be careful when suggesting any way that this is both an adult policy to set at five to the amazon but certainly the lack of regard. I would say that he is shown for environmental. Protection is something that's characterized his few <unk> months in office so far and people are furious about it and i think that there is definitely a knock on effect for brazilian business for brazilian economy for presenting exports widely widely. That's the b._b._c.'s will grant in brazil. I also had the chance today to speak with someone on the ground. Battling the fires in the amazon major commander colonel palo barroso has been leading operations in cuiaba the capital of the central brazilian state of mato grosso. We have a lot of fis but unfortunately we don't have enough teams to fight all the forest fires because unfortunately we don't have adequate structure so when you say you don't how the adequate structure do you mean you don't have enough firefighters or you don't have enough we have we have we have people but did not have the structure to to go to the field field <unk>. We have one hundred thirty one cities and we have fire department in twenty two cities the place we work the cities we you work. We can control most of the fires but in other cities don't have chain. You'll fight defies week we you can't control them because we are not there so that means that you are extinguishing some fires but other fires continue to grow yeah because we have a large territory we have more than nine hundred three thousand kilometers squares to attend in the fires wires happened almost at the same time in a difficult environment because we have a few roads we don't have airships jobs and even the basic equipment to district buju our people to go and fight the forest fight so we we need all the fighter patrons not only democracy states military department but all the fight the bottoms off amazon of amazon area. All us need equipment. We need airships. We need structure well. President gyro bolsonaro was offered assistance by the g. seven and he did not readily accept it. I mean wouldn't that have helped control. These wildfires yeah. I don't know i don't know why he did this but we are receiving the federal zero support by the army and the air force and another edges. We are receiving these supports so oh probably he. He's in condition to support the state and he's doing this but it's more than these and worry about what you will happen. In the future next year and the years ahead we have to plan to structure a forest fire protection system in namaskar forest but now fighting. We are doing what we can with what we have major commander colonel paulo barroso leading the operation cuiaba in the brazilian state of mato grosso. Thank you for your time. Okay bye-bye the big worry about this. Fires in the amazon is that they could causing irreversible damage to our warm climate but if you're paying attention to what's happening in the far north above the arctic circle there are dramatic signs of climate change happening already lapland is often described as europe's last great wilderness. The region stretches right across the top of the globe through norway sweden finland and russia. It's a native of home of the saami. They're the only indigenous people in europe who still live off the land but warming temperatures are transforming the arctic region faster than almost any other part of the planet landed in that's threatening the traditional livelihood of the saami by bbc colleague. Eric benke went to finish land for this report. I came to this forest in in the capital of sammy heartland. I've come here to meet a number there. Who's checking up on her. Family's reindeer india usually winter came in the end of october and now it can be in in december during the winter there it can be really warm periods that get snow to melt when the snow melts then the basic best fast food of reindeer this render moss freezes the reindeer con dig it they they can't even smell it through the is that starvation then and starvation means the reindeer herder has to take extra food and of course then it affects the income of reindeer herder but that's not the only pressure as temperatures rise and the sea ice melts does does now an opportunity for shipping route to open through the arctic ocean. There's also a plan to build a railway across northern lapland to move with goods from central europe or the way to the norwegian port of kip tennis on the arctic ocean the railway would also help to exploit the region's agents natural resources desk copper nickel cobalt and zinc here but the sami parliament is fiercely opposed to these plans uh-huh dina sunita aikido is the president i spoke to her on the bank of the fast flowing youtube river next to her office we we need from the nature and it will cut the reindeer grazing area into two there will be more for forest logging for example it will be transporting oil and gas products from norway and russia. It will bring the mining industry to the sami homeland area in in finland alan. It's it's the worst night where we are facing at the moment concrete one of course climate change is <hes> another one but it's look at concrete than than the arctic railway supporters insist that will boost laplante economy. The finnish government says a final. I know decision hasn't been made about the arctic railway or its route but haney who teaches traditional. Sami handicrafts in severed theory near the russian border. Fee is being forced to move those plans. I have seen so it seems like it would go straight through our house and my opinion is that it will be genocide strong strong words but the plans are painful. Reminder of the past high needs scored saami. Many of her people were forced to leave their ancestral estrogens in russia and resettle in finland. All this kind of <hes> money plans are our big nightmare here. Yeah we are very afraid of those. That was why scots armies have to move after second world war. Everything is only measured by money but how can you put a price tag for for a culture a sentiment anti bent echoed by at la a young saami woman. I met on the border with sweden. There are some people that say minds bringing jobs and wealth and they want to build mine here because they think it's impey. These cells are empty. There's nothing there but they forget that we are there. I mean that ah i'll reindeer out there what to actually needed life. You can't eat cold. There is something more important land mine's development crushing with the traditional way of life and the environment increasingly seen the world over some claim they can co exist but many saami people disagree eric banke with the b._b._c. reporting from far northern finland up next the french president is trying to create a diplomatic opening for the u._s. and iran barak comes to calming those tensions who will move first. It's risky skeet but as i said considering the state. I think it's it's it's worth trying french diplomacy in the middle east. That's just ahead. Don't go away. You're with the world world. I'm marco werman and you're with the world. Emmanuel macron is playing the middleman and he's he's got his work cut out for him. The french president worked to set up a meeting between president trump and iranian president hassan ruhani at the close of the g seven summit on monday. Mccraw sounded sounded hopeful that it might happen. Trump also said he would be willing to meet iran's president if the conditions were right but it did not take long for ruhani to say no he would not meet with trump unless the u._s. lift sanctions on iran. I so where does that leave france and other u._s. Allies still in the iran nuclear deal jarara who is a veteran french diplomat. He served as france's ambassador to israel the u._n. And most recently to the u._s. from two thousand fourteen until early this year ambassador thanks for being here here. Emmanuel macron seems heavily invested in brokering this meeting between trump and ruhani. What do you think that is actually present my cosby on the phone on for several weeks coding and coding president trump <hes> because you we have extreme tension and the goals which means that any the incident could lead to a military information but at the same time mccoy's convinced that trump doesn't want war so e._s._p._n. Has been really trying to mediate for for some time and whether he will succeed or not nobody knows but i think that it's worth taking taking dory. So what are the chances. Do you think ambassador that trump lift sanctions in order to sit down with ruhani. You know we wear don't define shijie. The idea was not lifting the sanctions but in a sense having a waiver or suspending them for one month two months of fremont's and that dog emory rican side sounded willie conceivable don't applause not saying no so it would be a sort of de escalation <hes> bleeding to to a negotiation with the iranians the part that you have on your side in your hand. You have different circles of power they they get a mistress two will also towards trump. I would bet everything i own on the success of president my call oh it's risky but as i said considering the stakes <hes> i think it's it's it's worth trying and you don't think <hes> john john bolton and mike pompeo and trump's ear would keep <hes> some kind of waiver of the sanctions away for a month that would that would that stop. It deprived them. I think you are emphasizing assiting a genuine point. You have a president who doesn't want war and he's ready to negotiate with. The devil is necessary as yes strode was north korea but he's onto version especially. John bolton is much more on the regime change line. You know we've descend ministration. You have to be <hes> very careful. <hes> because there is only one person decides and these burson is donald trump. That's the reason why my call is talking qing dynasty to to to trump so let's imagine on that the circumstances are right for a a meeting between trump and ruhani. What is the best outcome. Do you think of from uh-huh meeting like that and what would be the worst outcome. The best outcome would be i a de escalation of the tension in the gulf. You know you had these attacks against the tankers. You had the deployment of risk down ships to protect the tankers again. Radicals on both sides is looking for actually creating an incident so it would be already a first thirsty important step and of course course these deregulation leading to opening offered of negotiation between <hes> the americans and and enter your news and what would be the worst outcome again to worst outcome ears willie immediate offing hutton's. Everybody's going back home and and and again the is an incident on the ground a whole veteran french diplomat and the former ambassador to the united states until early this year. Thank you for your time. Thank you the standoff between the u._s. And iran is only part of the story in the middle east in recent days. The governments of lebanon syria and iraq have all accused israel real of carrying out airstrikes on their territories. The targets appeared to be pro iranian militias. This puts iraq in an especially tough spot. The government in baghdad baghdad is a u._s. Partner and israel is a u._s. Ally to make sense of what's going on here. We turn to douglas oliver. He served as director for iraq and the national security councils news of george w bush and barack obama after two tours in iraq as an army officer. He's now at the washington think tank new america douglas. Let's clarify first of all what is actually it happened in iraq over the past month well in the past month. We've had four major cautious or p._m._u. Or shia militia those are all more or less synonymous on on his terms four of their installations. The ammo dumps on them have blown up now whether this is because of israeli airstrikes or israeli the espionage or accidental ammunition just blowing up. That's totally unclear so we don't really know what the facts on the ground are. What we do know is the subjective reality as you said the iraqi government and certainly the iraqi street but leaves the israelis attack them and that's the reality we're now dealing dealing with whether you were just in baghdad last month in your daily touch with friends and colleagues in your consulting firm over there. What is the word on the iraqi street for iraqis. He's who lean more towards the iranian side. This is totally expected in their minds. This is what the israelis do for the iraqis who are more or american leaning who are more western leaning more moderate. There's a sense of betrayal. Whatever happened to put the government in baghdad in a tough spot. How is it responding ending well. The government is in a tough spot. It's has restricted all air movement so all air power all air medevac of the entire coalition there air stating that none of those airplanes can fly without explicit iraqi permission and wants to stop those shia militias from retaliating against u._s. Targets inside iraq absolutely nothing. We hope cooler heads prevail so if this airstrike makes life more difficult for the u._s. in iraq why would israel do it well. That's a great question. <hes> i think any outside power. There's there's one of two things going on. Whether we were talking about the israelis doing a strike of the iranians doing a strike strike the turks doing a strike means one of two things either. There's a legitimate security interests that they have that there were some weapons here that the israelis israelis thought were going to change the security calculus and therefore they attacked them for there was a domestic political aspect to this. They needed to appear politically tough for their own domestic political purposes. You're referring to the upcoming election in israel on this specific case <hes> you can't ignore that's there and why would the u._s. Allow it. That's a great question and i think there are many parts of the u._s. Government that were blindsided by this and are now trying to figure out what's going on so that's a a great question but i don't have a good answer for it so again if this israel who threw the first punch thrown down a gauntlet attacking pro iranian forces across the the region in iraq and syria and lebanon. Where do you see this going. This could be the start of a new way the above instability of low level conflict of even higher level conflict in the region <hes>. That's not to say that certain to happen but if the israelis have done this and again that's still remains a big f than they have raised the level of tension and potentially put the region closer to a war footing than it was a month and a half ago douglas olivennes senior fellow at new american former director for iraq at the national security council really appreciate your time today. Thanks thanks so much much. You're listening to the world another storm. It's heading towards puerto rico where memories of hurricane maria are still vivid. I think a lot of people are having flashbacks eats almost like some sort of a traumatic except durham funeral and it's not only you i'm marco werman how people in puerto rico are preparing still ahead. You're on the world. I'm marco werman. You're with the world where a co production of the b._b._c. World service w. g. b. h. boston boston p._r._i. N._p._r. ex an asylum seeker tells the judge that if he's returned home he will be killed then. He's deported to his home country in central america a- and he is killed. That's what immigration lawyer matt. Cameron told us happened to one of his own clients. Cameron is the co director of the golden stairs immigration center in in boston. He told us how he found out the news as meeting yesterday with someone who had been in custody with him for a couple of months they knew pretty well and he got another family and <hes> shared the news with me just in passing us as we're finishing up the meeting and i was stunned. I just i didn't even know i think he thought that i know and that's been sitting with me since then and do trust at source and how certain are you that that source has accurate information. I'm absolutely certain <hes> <hes>. I mean it's very specifically. I know that they were in close proximity together. In custody they were close friends and <hes> you know this man now. If anyone would know outside the family i mean i mean just an awful confirmation. I mean given his worries on your own worries about his future back home. How did that make you feel when you heard the news to be honest i i'm sure this is probably happened before in cases that we couldn't win. <hes> you know it's devastating. I've always thought of this as death penalty work but this is the first time i've had a confirmed and it was really on my mind yesterday really sat with me. There are a lot of details about your client story that you don't want to give because they could divulge certain information that would expose others is close to him and put them at risk but what does that simple reality. Tell us about the level of violence <hes> that people are fleeing from. I can tell you firsthand just from hearing these stories and having been to the border and talk to the myself that this is real. This is happening and we responsibility for this as a nation. Explain what you mean well. We're talking about people who are essentially several generations later even one or two generations later coming out of circumstances that we created in central america and i think it's very important for americans to understand that because we have a short collective memory sometimes but the torture genocide the widespread violence a lot of this is at our door. We trained an funded these wars. We stabilize these countries. We've economically exploited them for many years and these people are not showing up but have nowhere these these claims and these situations are very real and they they're very much our responsibility in many ways. It's so hard for us to pull back from our perspective and to think about ourselves as americans but we have to take responsibility for the things we do abroad. I think many people understand iraq afghanistan. These are recent enough that we know that we always responsibility to these countries now and i would submit the same thing met. How does this tragic case compare with other cases. You've been seeing unfortunately the facts in this case are very similar to a a lot of cases that we work with where there have been people in the home country of already been killed and there's a very real threat of death to the person that we're working with and the problem is this administration in particular has launched a war and asylum very direct war on the concept of asylum asylum on is doing everything they can to circumscribe that laws narrow as it can and and to keep these people out so you know <hes> the president and immigration and customs enforcement attorney general bar they have all made the point that immigrants are being coached. They're are often making up stories. Isn't it possible asylum. Seekers are stretching the truth to be able to stay in the u._s. I have to tell you. I haven't met any <hes> you know. I always always sit down with people and start taking their stories and i asked them directly what happened. Why are you here. I know what talk and that's what we work from i. I don't give them other details else. I don't make suggestions. I just let them talk. We tend their story and we prepare them to testify and i know that my colleagues do the same and it's just deeply offensive to me to have jeff sessions in particular last year suggesting that these are just all made up claims that attorneys are somehow profiting from. Do you ever worry that. Some of the truth may be stretched or embellished. I can't remember turning anybody away but i would turn someone away if i thought that this was actually not a true story is is immigration policy in any way <hes> deterring people from continuing to come to the us mexico border. I really don't think people are thinking about the latest decision from the board of immigration appeals when they're setting out from hundred guatemala el salvador they're setting out with the clothes on their backs often with twenty four or forty notice from the people who are about to kill them and all they're thinking about is what any of us would be thinking about just getting families out of their matt. Cameron is an immigration immigration lawyer here in boston and co director of the golden stairs immigration center. Thank you for being with us and explaining this matt. Thank you mark appreciate puerto rico this week. Week is preparing for another big storm and the heavy rains and flash flooding that could come with it. Tropical storm dorian is bringing heavy winds and rainfall tonight and into tomorrow morning morning. This comes as puerto rico is still not fully recovered from hurricane maria two years ago the world caroline bieler reports on how people on the island are preparing hiring for dorian greece. Alkan solace spent part of hurricane. Maria huddled in the safety of her bathtub. When she was stocking up on water over the weekend. The long winds brought those memories flooding back to her and her eleven year old son we wearing a costco and then he observed people we their cars filled with water water so he looks at me and he said mom. You didn't tell me there was a hurricane coming and he's like you to tell them you need to prepare. Preparing is just with the island is doing gonzalez is a scientist with the national forest service. Even before storm watch was announced yesterday afternoon junior. You're calling moved official vehicles away from trees that can fall on them and filled up on diesel. We have all our generators full. We are feeling all our gas tanks and leaving the cars imposition like ready to move is a reaction to maria and we know how important the eighties the puerto rican government says the island is more prepared this time around residents don't seem willing to bank on that all the infrastructure is he's weak and even if we don't get a major your again we are expecting that the little wing that we might get my ghettos without power or water. The winds from this storm are expected to be only a fraction of the intensity of marinas but that hasn't stopped people from testing out their backup generators. There's and making a run on grocery stores for supplies. I think people are more eight right now. At gardo gonzalez lives in san juan where he runs a conservation nonprofit sends maria. He's been helping local communities build backup water systems and preserve food. A lot of people are taking more precautions. I think although weekend expect our failures and produce water thing everybody it's more prepare. Gonzalez bought a water filter and two rain barrels after maria. They stand ready to catch the the two to eight inches of rain expected from this storm. He also set up a solar-powered battery backup system that he bought instead of a generator after maria. I'm like everybody destined. Daddy's everything is working fine and that he's collecting power right now. From the song i took out the solar panels just to get ready used by needed the government. It says it has far more backup electrical equipment than it did before maria but some street lights in the metropolitan region are still out two years after that storm and up to thirty thousand homes still have tarps for roofs. Many puerto ricans like college student. Louis oculus have lost faith in their government oculus plans to leave the island after the storm dies down. If it's really bad stay with his brother in florida i just bought a plea to give for friday for orlando. Just in case villas weathered hurricane maria and his mother's apartment two years ago he had to haul water and food up nine flights of stairs each day after the power went out the wall to wall media coverage of this storm is reminding him of those difficult days you put the radio on and all you hear about the upcoming the storm app again. He is suffering from what chris sale gonzalez sees as an island-wide reaction what happened two years ago. I think a lot of people are having flashbacks eats almost like some sort of traumatic syndrome you know in any it's not only you but we are trying to keep a cool and i think if you focus on them eastern lazy something that really pull us through last time this dorms exact trajectory and intensity the are still uncertain and puerto ricans are watching the forecast closely. The storm center is expected to pass near or just south of the island on wednesday before moving toward the dominican republic on thursday for the world caroline bieler the historic johnson and johnson court ruling yesterday continues to reverberate for people who've been touched by opiate addiction and for people who relied on opiate medication for their pain johnson and johnson was fine over half a billion dollars. The judge edge saying the company quote cause an opioid crisis. That's evidenced by increased rates of addiction. Johnson and johnson says it plans to appeal but how uniquely american and is a case like this. The world's alana gordon has been looking into how opiate prescription use here compares to other places. Alana marketing played a big role in the johnson johnson johnson allegations <hes>. How does the marketing prescription opioids work in other places around the globe so let's start in the u._k. The u._k. As an example is very different. There's a national health system there and so the incentives and pressures on doctors to prescribe or miss prescribe opiates isn't there. I talked to john collins. He directs the international drug policy unit at the london school of economics. These kind of practices will be regulated out of existence in somewhere like europe is just not acceptable for this matter. Predatory behavior randy's dangerous substances and again the practices. He's talking about there. Include aggressive marketing doctors and patients like the overselling of the benefits fits the underselling of the potential harms and that's not acceptable here on the u._s. Either <hes> i mean just look at these lawsuits. What makes a u._k. Different regulations <music> are one thing and there's also something else really big. That's different and what's up ads so you know you see advertisements for different drugs on tv all the time and that is not something that the u k allows so long to give us an example of where this issue of opioids looks totally different than it does here in the u._s. So i wanna take you to a couple of countries in africa for a moment many places like for kim foucault and molly patients. There don't have access to opiates. It's even if they might need it there eight of the word morphin afraid of the word opioid mainly because of what coming out of america so that is dr anne merriman. She founded hospice africa. She's based in uganda and she says countries regulate opioids but many aren't allowing it plus. She says the incentive attentive there for drug companies to import them just aren't there most african countries that we deal with <hes> economically poor and they cannot afford to buy from from the big companies and this is why before we came in there was only three countries with palliative care in africa because they couldn't control pain because food food tablets understood produced by companies and that's meant that a lot of people are in pain with conditions like cancer when when she got to uganda in the nineties there was no such care and she saw lots of people in that situation. Mary group has worked with governments now to actually makeup type of morphine so she actually supplies it for all of uganda. What is our own like in the west our own ideas of pain on how to treat it <hes> what is it all has to do with these prescribing patterns around the globe. The culture of pain in a society makes a big difference if you think about the u._s. As an example the culture really shifted in the nineties to a culture of more prescribing there was a big palliative care movement pain movement that grew to better treat pain ooh to not see loved ones in such excruciating pain from things like cancer and dying and drug companies jumped on board with that too so that also so increased pressure on hospitals to treat pain. You know pain is subjective. You've ever gone to a doctor's office and they're like. How much pain are you on a scale of one to ten. What what do you even say well. Yeah might be really bad like. Do you have a twelve on the chart so elicit up one more location india india seen as a huge potential market for prescription opiates viet manufacturers and there's some big reporting this week from kaiser health news on this what puts india in the sights of drug manufacturers well. India is a place where that culture ultra pain has changed and there's been a growth in pain centers. I talked to a public health advocate dr bobby john who's in new delhi and and he says that the newer opioids are able to circumvent national regulations because they're made differently. The number of brands and manufacturers was fall pain relieving medicines mostly on the opioid side a number into multiples of pages. He says more drug companies are looking into india to prescribe medicines pain. They wanna stake in it and to john like others. He says it's a fine ounce because you're trying to recognize the importance important that people not suffer from excruciating pain but he's very concerned about the country developing excessive supply essentially facing a situation that at the u._s. is in now well the world's ilana gordon great to get the global context on the johnson and johnson case. Thanks very much thank you. It's an international twitter snafu a faux pas of diplomatic proportions. Let's face it. If you want to go into politics these days your twitter game best beyond point. That's thanks in part art. Donald trump ever seen thin person intrigue. Here's some classic trump. Tweets sung by josh grobian on jimmy kimmel live you but <music> trump might be an extreme example but he surely not the only politician who knows has the power of the tweet but the thing is twitter is not for beginners things can go so wrong so fast case in point kashmir yesterday. Pakistani politician named raymond malik re tweeted a comment about human rights violations in kashmir. Molly wanted to tag the u._n. In his tweet instead he accidentally tagged you and oh that would be ono the card game and if the twitter sphere is just gonna let that go you don't know the twitter sphere. One user said pokemon. Go might give better guidance on the situation in kashmir. Someone else suggested that pakistan might want to apply for a loan from monopoly in the end. I think we can all learn valuable lesson here. Twitter is best left in my judgment to rating dog picks across the united states dates right now. Many young people are heading off to college moving out of their parents homes for the first time what could possibly go wrong in sweden and the average age of those leaving the home is eighteen or nineteen the youngest in europe and there are worries that loneliness and mental health troubles are confronting some young swedes one possible solution is is to ditch the idea of living alone and give communal living try the b._b._c.'s mattie savage reports from stockholm this is he's banning the almost at the end of the metro line. It's a purpose built suburb with high rise apartments. I'm on my wait to meet a twenty one year old rent. He's been living alone him for two years solvay albay so my name is dr starbuck. I'd always wanted to move out and i'd always felt ready. I it was really nice but after a few weeks i i started to feel lonely. When i came home. It was quiet and empty and there was nothing only myself but i'll eat apace rent and bills rose by working as a security guard. Her studio flats around thirty square meters in size. It's sparsely decorated just a wire butterfly hanging on the wall and photos of her family who live on the other side of the city of let off number editing became easy to start having a bad image of myself myself or destructive thoughts and not to mention the stress of earning a living in handling money and also stuff like when the washing up liquid runs out on the toilet paper doesn't reveal itself more than half of all swedish households a made up of people living alone the highest this proportion in the e._u. This is partly down to rent controls and cities made up of compact department rather than townhouses that lend themselves to sharing with friends but the norm of moving out after high school has persisted despite a housing shortage. That's led to a pricey subletting walk it in recent years. We have a tradition addition. Sweden and the society is built on certain values that we should all manage ourselves. We should not be depending on each other as s much as as in other countries that's car insurance from the mental health charity mind known unless among young people is much higher than expected one would think that elderly people are much more alone than younger but it's a relatively high among young people as well for a young person it's of course wonderful to feel independent and and be able to take care of yourself but for some they're not really ready for it. Sociologist say there's a lack of hard data to back up the idea young swedes experience more social insulation than other europeans. Learning is a hot topic. The country's biggest newspaper recently suggested epidemic among young people. The red cross has stepped dipped resources for tackling the issue and entrepreneurs in stockholm strong startup scene have been coming up with solutions so my next stole is one of a growing number of co living spaces in stockholm high-spec grown-up versions of student duma cheese anything from twelve to fifty people but cost coast around the same as soon apartment. Similar projects will really taken off in cities including san francisco london berlin. I'm being one of the tendons michela susan it's a way of meeting new people and you can have dinner parties and i mean you can choose if you want to be alone or if you want to. It was someone. Do you think there might be any big. Benefits for society places like this is a great solution for for especially swedes who are being quite. You know not so outgoing. Yes maybe the rest of the world. The company behind the space wants wants to create tens of thousands of co living units within a decade and research suggests there is a market in the swedish capital a recent study found almost half of eighteen eighteen to thirty five year olds would be interested in sharing with friends or others outside their immediate family but critics argue sweden's individualistic culture is too you deep rooted for code living to become mainstream backing veiling be even starbucks says she wouldn't give up her so lifestyle avenue sought although is tough sometimes i i feel lonely. I still think of is it. Something really positive have learned learned a lot. I i make the decisions myself. I can manage alone and i have power over my own life live. Her words recall an old swedish proverb enzyme. S stock alone is strong. That's the b._b._c.'s mattie savage. A russian rocket took off from kazakhstan a few days ago and the only passenger aboard is making history disabled if we send so this the russian crewmembers numbers name is fyodor. He is russia's first humanoid sent into space. Today he successfully docked the international space station liftoff of the unpiloted soyuz emma's s. fourteen spacecraft nasa. They're translating some of the russian commentary on the liftoff fyodorov. The russian robots stands at five foot nine ways over three hundred fifty pounds. He's got all sorts of skills. He can drive a jeep fire gun and do push-ups. If your door even channel his inner cosmonaut yuri garin before taking off recently uttering the famous russian phrase or let's go on twitter to his first tweet from far above earth was sorry for the delay got stuck in traffic and ready to carry carry on with work. It took a couple of tries to dock at the i._s._s. If your door got it done after a failed attempt over the weekend actually it wasn't really the robot who was in charge as tally shevchenko from the b._b._c. points out. There was so much enthusiasm. Some media incorrectly reported that feel that it was actually piloting the spacecraft shevchenko says russian media oversold yoder's image to the point. It's become misleading. It appears that yoga does most of these things his controlled by human and even the designer says that has no learning ability and this means that there's no artificial intelligence and therefore he's not autonomous and because of this does a lot of mockery online and people are saying on social networks that it's just an expensive gimmick aac and parts of state propaganda after all shevchenko's says russia's high tech sector isn't exactly the most cutting edge right now projects such as further are subject subject to western sanctions as well and critics say that no amount of window-dressing anita fanfare will be able to disguise the fact that things are made worse but corruption and embezzlement whatever his political background fyodor is not the first humanoid to travel space nasa sent up robo not to humanoid developed with general motors back in two thousand twelve both the american robot and fyodor were developed to carry out high risk tasks in space jobs that can be dangerous for or any human astronauts no matter what countries they're from rocket from her before feodor. That'll do it for us today from the nanan bill harris studios. I'm marco werman holly. I'm outta here. We're back with you. Tomorrow in the world is a co production of w. h. boston the b._b._c. world service p._r._i. And p._r.

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EHP096: From Drugs and Prison To Grace and Redemption

The Emotional Happiness Podcast with That Anita Live

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EHP096: From Drugs and Prison To Grace and Redemption

"Welcome to that ended alive. The talk show dedicated to providing emotional healing through sharing to help you create a happy life. My guest today is a forgiveness expert her mission is to release warrior women. So they can review their confidence by regaining their thority at the early age of ten Kiana Brown, experienced depression, which lead to abusively drug abuse and four years in prison today. She uses her past experiences of heart and trauma to inspire others and help them heal. Welcome Kiana Brown to the show. Thank you for having me girl. What a story. Yes. I lived in and now on the other side of it. And I use my pass hurts to help others. He'll now ten. Yeah. Is a very young age. How were you diagnosed with the Prussian at ten so it wasn't necessarily a diagnosis. The doctor said I was dealing with depression symptoms. Okay. And so in that as I look at it now that I'm older no one hundred child you were dealing with the person. I was I had all the behaviors all symptom. I don't know. Why is it that they didn't say, you know, full blown out? She has depression. Whatever the case may what are some of the symptoms that come to mind. So depress for me being in depressed state is separated myself from other people eating eating was my biggest one eating for companionship because there was no one around my brother, everything they were just not there. Also, head thoughts of hurting myself. But and there there was a long period of my life where belt that I didn't wanna live. I didn't like what I looked in. When I looked in the mirror who I saw the person was not someone that I was impressed with and it really really. Dug deep in me. And I that point already didn't like how I look, and I can remember in the sixth grade, I went into the courtroom, and there was a boy named Anthony. I will never forget it. He said to me, you know, you would be beautiful if you weren't so fed now in the sixth grade, this is something that was said to me. And so now, I already had that feeling myself. And I see that the world view me as that. So for me, it just got worse and worse and worse. I just continued to eat and eat and sixth grade, I was about one hundred and twenty pounds. I should have not been you know, that amount of weight, and that's what I did for conflict. Why was food front? It always made me feel good. Where was your mom and dad, my mom was not in the picture for the most part at that particular point she had come home from prison. And so she was trying to get herself together. So I see her sometimes weekend and my dad he wasn't. He was in and out in and out. And the relationship was not as strong as it is. Should've been I wanted more from them. But today, I am proud to say that the relationship that I have with my mother she's been clean for. I forget now because. Right. And unfortunately, my father he's still with us. And I think I'm thankful for where he is. He's imprisoning, unfortunately, he has life. But this life sentence has allowed me to have life with him. Because at the at the point that he was going to rape. He was going at any day. It could have been the in for him. But he's stabilized now 'cause able to find I know what he. He calls me. And he it's technology is amazing. They have at where we could communicate with one another dune Email so no longer. Do. I have to sit and write a long drawn out letter. We just had a celebration for my grandmother's ninetieth birthday. So. Choosing the send them to her. So, you know, I I look at my life from what it was and to where it is. Now you raised by primarily by your grandmother, grandfather. Yes. And when they noticed that you were using food for your friend. What was some of the things that they attempted to do to fill that void for you. So they took me to children's hospital because it was a big big concern that I was not what they deemed to be normal because all of my peers were smaller, and they just didn't understand why I was getting so overweight. I know why. Because I had this meal that meal, and then it was another meal. So I was just constantly eating all the time. But at the children's hospital, they had a program for children who dealt with obesity, and we do workouts and things of that nature, and they just they really tried everything. Really try so much to the fact that what she thought she was rewarded we give it but make families. But it's okay. We understand that healthy for her. She didn't think about the the brave talk sauce the grease in any of that. But other than that, she really tried. They really really tried. You had just worked out. Yes. So yeah. Okay. I'll take you. I'll take you know. Hey, she was in there. Yes. Right. Yes. Yes. Ten years old childhood obesity, which led to drug abuse. Yes. How did you first get introduced to rooks? So I was at chemical thing has school in Washington DC, and I made a connection with some friends through the marching band. I I was always the type of person who didn't stay in clicks or things like that. And so I was pretty much the loner, but in the marching band, it was a different world because it was like, everyone connected them music. I just love the environment of being around music and some of the friends in the band got together. And they started stealing cars and things like that. I didn't do it. But I was there for the join Ryan. And so that's how I got introduced to it by hanging around a certain crowd at that point time. I didn't feel that it was wrong. I was just having fun. I was living. I was doing with I deem most. Teenagers did at that point in their life. And it was the opening for me. It was the beginning to the portal of Dallas power for me because I didn't really pay attention to it. But I come from a line of people who have dealt with addiction. And so it was not just experimental for me. It was something that became my norm. And I went from marijuana to Jews in alcohol ecstasy pills. I've tried boat as they call it. I've tried just about pretty much every drug that you can think of or what is what is boat boat is it's like LSD. Okay. Or in DC? They call it like the Dipper you take the cigarette and dipping in the abomb. I've done grab done been around the world and back. But for some of those things didn't agree with me. But my constant was marijuana. That was my everything. Your relief. Yes that that's what called me down. That's what allow for me to open up because at some points in my life. I wouldn't open up. I was always that person that kept everything in I internalize of. So that was like my gateway to freedom so to speak, and so that kind of held me down for quite some time and just traveling around different groups in doing that. I ended up wanting to have a relationship like some about here's did. And that was not my story because the boys were interested in me. And I believed that it was because of what I looked like I felt that I was trapped in this body suit that nobody was attracted to or nobody wanted. But there was one particular person that did and it ended up being a female, and so I entered into that lifestyle, and boy somebody who wanted attention did she ever get attention then? So that kind of down spiral for me, again just going from one relationship to the next deal. You know, keeping everything intact, but just having different emotional relationship. Now while you were going through this very busy period in your life. Yes. Was there? Anybody an elder somebody in the community one of your teachers that tried to reach out to you to say, hey, that's not your lifestyle. Okay. No. I did have my grandmother. You know, not even say natural lifestyle. But that's not the Lord. You know, I got all of that. But, you know, this is what I wanted, you know, and I've been that person. I'm putting my foot down like if this is what key on wants to do it. It can be a good thing. And it can be a bad thing because I'm talking about. I'm talking about the drugs, and the risk Abraham was being with telling cars, and so I was type of person that you see this face. You'd never know. What was behind it? I could Hyder I'm a great Hyder. I'm knew how to hide everything. And it wasn't until I was out of a high school that I started to like really break loose, but all through my high school years. Because I wasn't like if I did it when I was at school. I will say, oh, I'm staying after with band, and by the time, I got home everything was gone. So there was no, you know, signs of it or anything like that. Because I already knew I knew that I wasn't supposed to be doing it. But it was something that may be feel better. So how did the abusively and the drug abuse land with four years? So it it's everything just was like a stepping stepping Puerto for me. I went from filling the way that I felt from being obese and using the drugs to make me feel better. And then I wanted to have relationships and I went with the women in. So that is what landed me in prison for four years. It was a relationship with someone when I was I was about nineteen years old when I got arrested. I was twenty when I got arrested, but I was nineteen eighteen when I started dating her. She was pretty much about my mom's age, my mom, always said, what are you dating someone that age? And at that particular point it really didn't matter to me because she was doing everything that I wanted to make to do gee was paying for for this. She was making sure that I have she was provided me with the drugs that I wanted. She was doing everything and there was an incident where she and I got into an altercation. And that's when I realized that I was in a domestic violence relationship. It was a lot of verbal abuse. She tried to control me with money. And I I didn't see then. But later on after I saw it. We're not you you never see the tornadoes spinning while you're in it. And so I left, and I don't know why do know why went back. I went back because I was missing what I thought was the idea of love comforts. Yes. And so I went back and that I should have never gone back. And that was so what we were actually booked in charge with. So she was at a position when I did go back that she lost her job. And so she was. To being the one that provided and she knew of a scheme that she could do to rob a fast food place that she knew the manager of and they were going to work it out. It was going to happen. It was pretty much the post to be staged. But it ended up not going the way that she planned forward to go. And so I ended up with an arm robberycharge. I was just supposed to be the getaway driver. But because I was there. And and I will admit that. I did take some part because you know, at some point things start to get a little scary for me. And so I was like, okay. So this can't happen. But it happened and nineteen. I was I was nineteen. Right. So looking back now, what are some of the red flags that you would tell of you're to look out for to say if this is your surroundings. This is a situation that you're sitting in be weary. Well, the first thing is being alienated from your friends being alienated from your family being not being able to be in your comfort zone. I was always put. Into a position to where she wanted me to be with her friends. She wanted me to be with her family. She never wanted to go anywhere with me. And so all of a sudden, I no longer saw those people anymore. And so she became my main focus was get up say, hi, whatever go to work, and then it was directly back home. If I wasn't directly back home. There was a phone call to the extent where I stopped going other places because I knew that phone call was coming. But at that point, it was just like, oh, she loves me. You know, she she misses me. She wants me to be there. So just look out for being alienated. And then another trigger signed for me was that she was constantly spending her money, and at the point where I felt like I was being spoiled to the point where she didn't sometimes want me to go to work because she wanted to take care of me. But now when I look at that, it's like, okay, she wanted to have control over everything that I did I didn't need to go to anything. I didn't need to provide for myself because she would be that person. So that's another symptom of for me of domestic violence when they want to control you finance -cially, where if I didn't go to work, then I wouldn't have a paycheck. So guess what? I couldn't do. I couldn't leave right because if I can't leave and support myself where am I going so I'm gonna need to stay here. So when somebody makes you financially dependent upon them that's another side to look out for and then just of anger. Okay. Just anger for no reason anger. You can have a conversation or say something that's mild. And it's like, okay, I just acts use this one question, and we never know how things can escalate so it started off with anger that way. And then it ended up in anger with her hands around my neck. We'll be right back dig into more detail of Kiana Brown story. But also how you can use forgiveness to help yourself heal. What if I told you that you could stop the negative tape from playing inside your head? What if with seven simple steps, you get leave the pain of the past behind and live every day as your true authentic self? It is possible. And you can do it. The evil seven simple steps to beat emotional baggage. How to become hold healed healthy and happy shares. How to resolve emotional baggage? And feel free to live true to your own personality spirit and character transformed negative thinking into positive thinking and become equipped to boldly faced your past and resolve emotional pain. Get your free copy at that Benita live dot com slash people. And we're back with Cuiaba going through her emotional rollercoaster story of. Living life in a major metropolitan area. Because what she went through is not a loner story is not a one of a kind story. But we are here today to make sure that as the view is watching as you are here. You learn and we all. Do better is when you learn better, you do better. Now, you mentioned earlier that forgiveness is not a switch that you flip in walkaway from. But it's something that has to be managed on a regular basis. How did you get to a place of forgiveness for everything that you've been through? That place was actually behind bars when I was in a sale looking at the fifteen thirty years that I was supposed to be sent his with. I was upset and I was angry with God. Because I did everything that my grandmother told me to do if I prayed to God, then he would answer me if I got on my knees, if I cried out to him that he will make everything. Alright. And in that moment of being angry with him. There was a quiet voice in my ear because I was upset. I was just screaming like you left me. You left me? And that voice it I didn't leave you you left me. And so you have a lot of reflection time especially in prison where there's nowhere to go. And so I just started the really think about it. Because when I heard you left me, I'm trying to figure out what do you mean that I left you, and I had left from serving the life that he wanted me to serve going and going. Opposite direction. And so it had started to look at everything for an example, being the alternative lifestyle was a choice that I may because I really didn't like men and it was because of my dad not because they weren't interested in me. It was because I didn't have that relationship that I wanted with my father, and then I looked at. Okay. Well, I blamed my father for this. And then I blame my father for that. And I blamed him for all of these other things people have actions. But how we react is. What matters. Yes. And so if I continue to react to his actions, then I'm no better than he is. I'm no better than the next person. And so what I had to do is realize that I had to let that go. So that I could move on. I had to understand that they were not actions because of what he did. Yes. People do things all the time. Somebody might hit your car that doesn't mean you haul off and hit them when they get out the car. No you understand. An accident. And I believe truly in my heart that it was not my father's plan to be distant or separate out of my life. But I've happens, and I had to realize that for every action that he outplayed that I had to make my own reaction, and it could not be want to get back at him. And so from learning that I had to I forgive myself because I was the one who chose to do the things that I know I chose to pick up the drugs, I chose to be particular technique or activity that you did that helped you get to a place of forgiveness. So when I look back at it now, and the tools that I used to help other women and men as I you got to reveal it. And that's what I did. When it when I was in that sale. I was thinking about everything that I had gone through. And then you have to get to a stage where you have to release it in my releasing was okay, God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for being upset with you. I'm sorry for the decisions that I made. So it's an mittens you have to mid. In order for you to release it. And then I had to regain my confidence. Because how many of us have been in any type of relationship or situation ship? I like to call it sometime that you feel that your lack in that area. And that you can't go on if you've been in a relationship where somebody's broken your heart. Now, you're frayed to actually love again. So you have to regain confidence all over again in that area to know that hey, I am where the being love. And there is that person that's out there for me. So it's revealing releasing every gaining your confidence. How do you help people do that? So we go through a series of steps, and I talked to people, and they want to tell me everything that's happening today. And when I listened to them, I'm like, okay. So we need to go back there. Okay. Because that's typically were everything begins. There was a person that I was talking to dealing with her. She was in a domestic violence relationship. And I'm straight straightforward. I told her, you know, you come to me because you want help and I want to be that person for you. But there are some things that you're going to have to do you're gonna have to make the decision the conscious. And that's what forgiveness is actually making a decision deciding today that you will no longer being that stuck place. And so I told her I said within your relationship there are several things that can happen. You can continue to be in this relationship and be abused. You can either be so upset that something happens. And that you abuse them. Then you can be in a situation where you're going to jail because of it then you can be in a situation where you die. Which person enough forget the other situation. It can be the one that you walk away and you're moving towards new life. What person do you wanna play in this row? She says she wasn't ready. And so this like I said going back to it. It's a decision. So the first thing that we have to do in any place in any measure of this is to decide because I can talk to you all day long about what happened back then was happening right now. But if you have not made the conscious decision say, I'm moving forward. There's no where we can go. So that's the number one thing that told that I give somebody to make that conscious decision to be ready. You have to be ready get yourself, and I go back to looking at everything that happened to me. I was mentally concentrated before. I had even met the bar. Okay. Hold on break that down. Tell us what that means, mentally and concentrate is the place that you put yourself in the mindset that you put yourself in the lack mindset. I'm not worthy. I am. I'm not beautiful. You know, when I look in the mirror. Oh, I don't like the way my body looks. You put yourself in that place. Why not say, oh, I am beautiful. Oh, I'm going to change the way that my body looks. That's changing your mindset, giving you a new spirit a new life. It's like a putting on putting on an anointing on your face. Right. I go back to church because I am faith-based. When you go to church, you don't walk into church sometimes with the anointing on. No. Once you get into it. You start walking in it. Because if we did we wouldn't eat thirty to forty five minutes appraising, worship, we got into guest. You to get into that place. Right. You have to walk into their hair. And then as long as you continue continuously do it, then anointing will come. Okay. So now, let's get into blessed hand. Yes. Your latest book. Yes. This latest. Note that I just came out with one it's a mental health Cohen. It's not that easy. Stop telling me to get over it. That's a book collaboration that launched last month. Okay. A pathway to forgiveness. Yes. Blessed hands tell us what is what does this book about? So that book is merely six situations in my life that I had had to overcome f forgive myself in and one of those stories which stood out which is standing out strong to me today. It's called heaven's angel. And that is a story about an abortion it I hadn't why is standing out to me day. It's because all my travel here. It was literally the same direction. Like when I got to the area the facility of where we are. Now. I'm like, I remember the street. I remember the street, and it was taking me back to that place. You see on television where people, and this is something that I'm still working through you see on the television. Where people have the signs saying, you know, don't kill the baby you're going to hell this third. And so in that story, I share how I made the conscious decision to aboard and child and within that it was not just because I didn't want it. I just gone through a C section didn't wait with me. And my husband, we didn't wait. And you know, then it ended up having to we got pregnant, and so I was faced with challenges of not having a healthy child or me, not you know, being because everything wasn't healed properly yet. And so and I had dealt with postpartum depression. So I was already in this place. And I I really didn't want to be a mother. I love my. Done. But I didn't want to be a mother and to hear that I'm going to have to do this all over again. And the way that the surgery and everything I was just like I can't do this again. And so I made that decision. And when I did I went in I wasn't far loan. So I was able to take a pill, and they said that I would have to come back, and I was really upset about having to come back to deal with this all over again. It's a lot just to get there that point and that point in time, and so I had to come back. And when I came back, they told me that the baby was still there. I could still carry to term, but it will be deformed. Because partial of her brain was gone, and I say her because I know it was a her. I don't care what anybody says, I knew my son was a son, and I know that she was a sheet. So it just brought back memories of that. And I'm still working with forgiving myself in the book is the first time that I've shared it that book came out actually, January two thousand nineteen and so I had I had to release it. I'm continuing to release it. But the biggest part of me is that I bought it. Somebody's destiny. And so I think that's the part that hurts so much. But okay. 'cause that can take me to a whole 'nother place. Okay. What advice would you give somebody that's going through that? That's going through having an abortion. Well. It's a challenge every day. And I know what I've done mostly was trying to think about it. But to get into a space and right? You know, sometimes I write to her because I know today, she's my angel. And so look at it from that perspective like that child may not be hit with you. But you know, where that child is. And that child is watching out for you. So to just get into space talk about it and to not internalize it not compartmentalize it in and put it somewhere in shelf or put it up there where it's out of your reach you need to deal with it. And the reason that I am still shedding tears because I did that I put it away. And so my coming out was in the book, which was literally like, I said, maybe like three months ago four months ago today. And so I had to do that in order to get to a space where accurate forgive me ACA. Forgive me for the choice with the decision that I made I always push making a decision but sometime. The decisions that we make are not necessarily ones that we can live with. And so we're making a decision make sure that you pray about it. I the one thing that I did not do with this. And like I said before our prayed about prison are prayed about a lot of things in the past. But I haven't asked about that. Because I went with self what happened to the faith that said that he would provide that he would make everything work that he would be the hill that he will help you. And I didn't even go to him for that. I made that decision on my own. And so I think that's another reason that I beat myself up so much about it. But that's just where I'm at with it. But you just have to make peace with yourself. Make peace with yourself and make peace with God make peace with yourself and make peace with your creator forgiveness is a hailing emotion it secures you from the inside out and is never about the other person. No matter what someone did to you. Or what happened to you? It's up to you to make the decision to he. He'll for yourself fine Kiana on Instagram at the forgiveness expert. I'm your host fish shoulda. 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E#21 Collecter et transmettre le patrimoine musical du sud algrien, avec Souad Asla

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Interview Justine Hutteau, Se liberer des croyances limitantes pour superformer ! / DLTDC Original

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Best Of ('The Last Dance': MJ's gambling issues + politics, Magic's GOAT endorsement, Kobe Bryant)

Skip and Shannon: Undisputed

54:10 min | 10 months ago

Best Of ('The Last Dance': MJ's gambling issues + politics, Magic's GOAT endorsement, Kobe Bryant)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon. Let's go well last night. We got a detailed view. And how much Michael Jordan Gamble before Eastern Conference finals game against the next. Mgm Was Seen Gambling at a casino the night before and the Bulls lost that game. It soon became publicly known that Jordan would be gambling thousands of dollars at a time and became a major topic in the sports world. So Shannon. How much do you believe? Beat gambling controversy had to do with Jordan's stepping away from asking ball might have some but I think the biggest thing for me skip is that for says he got into the League skip. He was never ever normal again and he talked about it. He was lying on the couch and he's smoking a cigar. Any said you know a lot of people say they want to be Michael Jordan board date he saved but that would be right. He's a you need to be Michael Jordan for year. It realised we talk about this for just a second what we've been going through since the middle of February where we can't go done you can't go to a restaurant you can't go out and hang out bass Michael Jordan for almost forty years. He can't go to the movies with his kid. He's never been able to be normal with his key if he was able to be normal. We're complaining about skill. We we been shut down for about two months job. Shut down all those forty years started to wear on him. But what really started to worms? Is that if greatest? He says I've had missteps. No one who says I came out and slaughtered anybody on putting somebody in a bar or Kursum him kid. Do I did something. I didn't do that. But what he found what he found out. Is that no matter how great you are. People will start to look away to try to tear you down. And that's what started to happen. Salesmen started if he was an investigator reporter. I didn't know that at the time. Skip until last night that his background was investigative reporting and social. Skit with you an investigator reporter you start looking for things. That's normal thing that people writing story skip you stores give you that. Look okay. Where did he come from? What was that anybody doing? Anything Shady with the elbow arrested. Did he hang with a gay? That's not what you do. You write the story trying to tell the story. But that's not what they did. This started trying to look for things. Michael Jordan was like man but I tell you what scale baby to change subject too far now. You should have a great appreciation for one. Lebron James Michael Jordan grew grew up in an era where there was no social media. There was really no twenty four hour. Talk show there was no debate. Show everybody did not have an opinion on Michael Jordan. This what go James has had to deal with. He grew up in a social media era with a contract. Because you saw what happened. Going back three peat. Try to get that the prejudice in how it started to wear owning who it is like mad. Look here and David Aldridge telling the story last legs they gotta be careful. Say Magic told. Y'All running out of the game and that's exactly what I believe happened skill but also what wasn't in that note without. Oh to play the Nixon game three. Did you join with three team from the floor? And they still won that game. Now let go out there. Now somebody say Michael Jordan legacy now. I don't know who it was but somebody saying that man's legacy skill I light last night last night with my favorite episode. Because Michael Jordan was very bare open. He was the most open and honest being. I was glad skipped. He did run from the comment. That Republicans buy sneakers skip. I also believe that he said it ingests. We say a lot of things that we might be joking around but if somebody else heard it and all the her would you say that. They automatically assumed debate. Did you hear what he's saying and they got back it was it was it was it was like he said he's getting his to be active. And that's that was not his calling skills. I like Michael said I will just want to be a basketball player. And but skip the most touching the most last night when he says killed if he had a chance to do it over again. I'm not so sure I would want to do this. I don't know if I would want to be a role model because already set up. Failure skip that broke my heart. This is the most popular member ever. Maybe only Ali entire can rival in. And he says I don't know man. Is that all know. Wow let me think. Let us give Michael Jordan at the picture. Though he said I don't know man he says. Because is it worth it or you finished. I'm pretty skilled. Okay all right. Let's get back to genie's initial question. About how much did gambling have to do with the almost two years that he suddenly shockingly took off in the heart of his prime at ages? Thirty and thirty one again. I worked in Chicago in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. I was there for the last dance as the lead columnist. The Chicago Tribune. I saw from the inside out. I heard all the stories. Sam Smith was a teammate of mind. For those years I was in Chicago and what I continue to hear from people on the inside and this is in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight and by the way the interview. You talked about where. He's sitting on his couch with his cigar. That's in a hotel room in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight ninety eight. We're talking about ninety three. After the first three peat. He suddenly walked away from basketball. How much did gambling have to do with that? I say everything. You could argue that. He was getting burned out as he indicated there in the documentary at that point. You can argue. That he got burned out from all the negative publicity that ensued after all of his gambling was revealed. But that wasn't from Sam Smith that wasn't about the Jordan rules that was just about going to Atlantic city after the first two losses to the Knicks and taking a public beating for that and as Michael said he got asked by the League office about that in his answer was well. It's legal to go to a Casino. I like to play blackjack and book came out that that Richard is skegness Book Michael. In me and he alleged in the book a scheme is dead. He's like a professional hustler gambler. That Michael had lost one point. Two five million to him on the golf course. This is in nineteen ninety-three when that was a whole lot of money and that was a bad look for the league and it led to questions about G. If Michael is gambling so heavily off the course been what about the people? He's associating with which led to his association with this Slim Bowler nother criminal convicted criminals. That that he was playing golf with regularly and it was not reported whether he'd lost or won money. It was just the association with Slim Bowler not a good look for the League and again David Stern very unhappy with that image right. So we're all busy. We Love Paul out. We did lose remember because there were fifty seven thousand dollar check. When the looking at slim did he did. It was allowed me. Say Visit Volley caught on the Corey Right. And then he finally came in. He actually had to say what it was for game. I did I had lost them. I had to pay it off. Okay so it. It looked a little. It looked a little shady that you're losing money to professional gamblers which could indicate you could get yourself in a bind when they came back to you and said. Hey if shave few points tonight. I'll relieve your debt. I'll forgive your debt right. You can pay me back. You'll just make sure bring in the game under ten points tonight. Which is the point spread? Then we're good. Were even if you can do that for me. That was the speculation of the time g would would Michael Be. Could he possibly fall prey to that? Could he be susceptible to that kind of thinking? And nothing was ever proven. Nothing was ever even alleged about that. But that was the league's fear at that point and Michael Gone Sick and tired of having to answer questions about it. So even going into those finals remember. He did that sit down that he requested with Ahmad Rashad. Who was his probably his best friend in the world obviously played your game. Played Pro football for a while and Michael early in sort of honored him. Yes he was Bobby Moore for a while. Then he was Ahmad Rashad so right so the point was that he did a sit down with the MoD before the final start against Barkley's Phoenix Suns. And he wanted to answer all the gambling questions one more time in. Maud said in the documentary. Well he did wear sunglasses which Ahmad did love because it looked like he was trying to hide his is behind the sunglasses so the point was what I always heard in my year in Chicago. Around the ninety eight bulls was that it had a lot to do with gambling. That even the appearance of it got so bad that David Stern who has denied this repeatedly even in the documentary. David Stern said it never reached epic crisis levels gambling. I just think it was so bad. Image wise that he encouraged Michael to step away and maybe Michael was burned out. Maybe he needed to recharge his his engine a little bit by going to try to play baseball but suddenly he's playing double a baseball at age thirty in the heart of his prime to this day. I can't wrap my head around it that he just decided to take a long break from basketball. That was two years because remember. He only played seventeen games. Two years later he came back in later March and they were at one point marsh the Bulls were thirty one and thirty one so they were really struggling two years after and he finally came back just in time to SORTA get ready for those playoffs when they find lost to the magic as you recall but but he gave up to prime years of his career one to play baseball and again he two. Oh two for the the Birmingham Bulls who happen to be part of the white sox owned by his bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf but he two zero two three home runs. And that's in four hundred thirty six at-bats he did drive in fifty one runs which is not bad. He stole thirty bases which is not bad but but again was the baseball. No he wasn't a baseball player. He was good enough to be respectable at AA. But that's all and the point. Were Shannon the Michael? I got to know when Chicago. His fire raged so hot that he just couldn't stop competing he said. I have a competition problem. Not a gambling problem. Yes he gamble at everything especially gone for an again. I've walked with Michael. During rounds of Golf. Trust me on this. He's very good but he's not great he's He. He never had any shot at playing professional golf. He looked like he could shoot. Seventy five or seventy eight to me. You know he'd be like a a Soda Cap. Yeah I know they'd have his moments. I'm sure you're paying for a lot of money. Maybe occasionally could shoot par but in general. He was just a pretty good golfer. But I've always told you I'm sure your big brothers told you. Golf is the hardest game in the world to play. There's nothing like the challenge of Golf because the ball doesn't move until you move you. Don't pass the ball. You don't catch the ball. There's no reacting like catch and shoot it. You have to think it all through before it even happens. You can't play defense. You can't say well. He was just better than me today because I couldn't guard him. It's just it's such a hard game and it comes and it goes into comes and it goes so he got addicted to gambling at golf and then he got addicted to gambling at cards and he got addicted to gambling as you saw in the documentary with his security guy. That was his name John. Michael Wozniak Yeah. He passed away last January. Mike Wozniak bed but the point was there there flipping quarters against the wall and we saw Jordan lose it. That and I think he lost a lot at flipping quarters golf and calls us. He never lost it basketball when it mattered but when it came to those games. I think he's addiction. Started getting to him where he couldn't stop and then he couldn't stop losing and he would double down and triple down and the point was he was still playing at supremely high level in basketball. Because I remind you Shannon despite all the controversy from the gambling guess what he did against Barclays Sons in that ninety three finals. He had recorded one nine rebounds and six assists forty one nine and six while. We'll we'll this. Tremendous you could argue. Is the best numbers ever put up in a finals? And then you're telling me he's just gonNA walk away from that he's effectively. Just quit basketball for while I don't buy it. I think there was something operating much deeper than that. I don't think we're GONNA get to it in the documentary because obviously it's Michael's documentary. It's he's got editorial control over it. So no he's not going to go there but I appreciated the fact that they touched all the right basis on the gambling. They didn't run drum it. They didn't ignore it. They laid it out there for you and then you draw your own conclusions and mine. Is that gambling? Did play some big part in him. Having being forced or at least encourage to take a sabbatical after the ninety three season is tipped golfing. What my brother's teaches me as taught me about the game of golf. And he plays it all the time. He's hitting chipping. He's putting you doing all these things. He'd say the difference. Between Golf and other sports you get to play against the guy he said but in golf you play against the course is he might join bows. He's like Charles Barkley won the MVP. Is it okay? You gave him bed. I'm about to get this. I can play this you charge. You love playing against the basketball court. You play against Charles Barkley. Okay you gave me and my MVP. I'll play it against him. I don't get it back. You skip the thing is when you go to Vegas. You have a winning head bagels. Know that they can just keep you there long enough the title swing and they'll get all they lost back to you and all you brought in they'll get all of it back and that's what happened to George Skip. He was started losing quarter and he just couldn't walk away still. He's like okay. Well I'll give you all cracked about one. You feel four quarters of the game that I played in four eight we've laid his kids pinching penny pinching Nichols closest wall to win. That's how competitive. He was killed it as an athlete. I think it will produce telling the story now. The big dogs were in the back of the plane. They're probably playing good so boo rate and people at home. Hopefully that'll have explain it to he say but he in. Bj Armstrong John Paxton. They're playing up front and they're playing blackjack for dollar hand in Michael Cover up late in past as well Michael. Why would you WANNA play with us? He says because I want your money in my pocket you see skill and I'll tell you all the time when you're the athletes get we make money. You really gamble to try to make money. I didn't want the guy's money because everybody was making money. I wanted their pride. I wanted you to go to the bank. Get me ten thousand dollars worth of nickels and when they ask you. Why are you giving ten thousand dollars? What the Nichols I wanted you to say because I lost a bet did Shannon Sharpe bath. What Michael Wounded Still? What do you want adult from John? Packet Oh bj Armstrong. He wanted the fact that they knew that he knew he had to the dollar Promo data. That's that's how that's what it meant to him. Okay so the fire that raged in him on the basketball court and in Tokyo to heights. We've never ever seen before on the basketball court could get him in trouble off the court in Games. Roy Wasn't right at. That's what started happening. Because his basketball got greater and greater and we saw the Dream Team Story of that one practice game that they played an interest quad game in which it it started getting hot and heavy and it was magical bird on one side and Jordan on the other and magic starts trash talking Michael and they're up eight. He said Michael Magic said and all of a sudden he's challenging Michael More and more saying we're going to run you out of the gym if you don't start playing like Jordan like Mike and all of a sudden he did and he took the game over and they'd never see thing like it and all those players have said. That was the greatest basketball contest. Any had been a part of because it's it's all the greatest players ever on the same the same time will donate that that's basketball he could dominate that. And if you wanted to play for money play for money there but once he started playing golf for money with professional gamblers. I believe he did get into some trouble and I do believe that in the end it cost him a couple of years. And I'm going to throw one last point at you Shannon remember. He did lose his father. His father was beggared on July. Twenty one thousand nine hundred ninety three so after that Phoenix finals. Forty one nine and six soon. After James His father the story was that he was driving the car. The Lexus that Michael had bought him and it had licensed plaques plates of UNC. Zero Zero Twenty three and a couple of kids are behind him on the highway. He pulls over to take a nap. This is the story and they intended just to steal the car and they wound up pulling the trigger on him and killing him. That's the story. It was a very controversial trial both went to prison for life. The two teenagers did. I don't know what happened. There's a lot of speculation that there was a deeper story. That was going on there. So maybe that played into it. Maybe Michael needed to obviously degree. The loss of the father that was so close to him but a lot of things were operating under the surface. There for Michael when he finally said. Okay I'm going to Birmingham to play baseball for the Bulls the Birmingham Bulls Barron skip. I think that the Mayor Barrett back with getting the borough skill about what happened and try to make this quick skipped. I think what Michael did if that you bringing people to gamble. That's money. I can get what I don't care who. They are what they do skip. I don't believe Michael Jordan. Ask who they were. They had money. He wanted to take it. If you noticed. That's how drove people get brought down. They have a specific group that they sailed to in is always the one man. He somebody vouchers for him. As an informant. He gets inside. He ends up toppling the whole thing. And that's probably what happened bill. Those guys had money on the golf course. Michael Like Oh you got money. You got fifty hundred cake. Okay let's go. He wasn't even thinking man what you do. Why you buddy. But that's not what he did he didn't shake and then that's what happened. Yeah a fascinating. Look at. Just how competitive. Mj was awe in all areas of his life. I think you said it was your favorite two episodes because there was so much there and we're just getting started in diving deeper about Michael Jordan and the last dance. We've got monthly. Hey undisputed listeners. At time for some Exciting News Fox sports digital the team that produces this podcast has been nominated for a Webby Award for our coverage of the twenty nine hundred feet. The women's World Cup in Paris I was there covering the. Us Women's national teams. Incredible run as repeat Champs. Sedav lay off Cuiaba. It was truly such an amazing opportunity and experienced so many stories. I was lucky enough to help. Tell if you enjoyed our work. We'd love it if you could visit. Vote Dot Webby Awards Dot Com. That's vote Dot Webby. Awards DOT COM to support our entries. Foxsports was nominated for best overall social coverage for a nightly show Fox Sports World Cup now and for a digital feature we produced on Brandy chastain. Who looks back? Twenty years later on her famous. Pk that won the nineteen ninety nine women's World Cup. Thanks again undisputed listeners. We appreciate your voting consideration now back to the well it's been known that Michael Jordan once said Republicans buy sneakers to when asked why he wouldn't get into politics. Specifically when Harvey Gantt African American Democratic candidate was running for Senator of North Carolina during the last dance. Mj said the quote was accurate but it was an off the cuff remark to a teammate. That people took and ran with so she had a nicer review your reaction to Jordan refusing to endorse the African American candidate in the Nineteen Ninety North Carolina Senate skip. I'm not surprised a because at the time. Michael that apex and the thing that separated Michael. From anybody else. There was no blemishes up until that point on his resume. Now people look the gambling might say the gambling but he had really said nothing offensive. He had really done nothing offensive and people like well. People gambled all the time so he was Never Imbaba. No really still what? We would call true true controversy now. I was surprised given the fact that I knew Jesse Helms wants give. I'm from the South just like new tournament. Talmadge was represented the state of Georgia Avenue. Who Robert Byrd wasn't represented West? Virginia I get all that I know all about those sort of what they represented. Now Jesse Helms. Skill was the guy that voted. Every time he came up with Dr King was not going to have an actual holiday. He also kept voted against the National Black History Museum. That later got erected up about four years. Those he voted begin that is segregation he made no apologies for he made it abundantly clear and after he won what did he say there will be no celebrations in bill. That was the guy and Michael. My life we know. What GUYS I? I? I'm not a political activists. He said I'll leave was born do that. That's what I wanted to do. Skill and that comment still Georgia. Some very very interesting last night now. I don't know his type of relationship but he believe Horace Grant he said. There was only three people around that when I said it. He's his body he said Horace Grant. He had hard whereas skirt. Remember what I told you. Say something and a friend or family member. Who Do you think? They'll automatically attribute untrue. He believe Har- said that extend their relationship. But it's hard for me to believe because Michael Jordan would. I'm starting to see skip bayless. Michael Jordan ever disliked. You know coming back from that. He skipped his. He's the best point guard in the NBA. Was Magic Johnson. The second best is as he says. I still hate him no matter who the hatred he still thinking of all the time. Which means that you build a team. We'll skip if that's if her political activism. If that's not in your heart skip don't do it. Don't front and and he said something else gives no matter what he does. It was not going to be good enough. I look at the invitation escape and they're trying to raise money for longer than try to raise money for Kobe. And everybody said that's all they gave one million five million billion dollars. They should've gave. It is not enough. There was Michael was like it was never gonNa be enough no matter what I did. He's there but I did make a contribution to his to the campaign like I've done in even now. Michael has taken a more active role. Skip it in politics. Politics but active called worthy causes that he deemed necessary is putting Muslims stuff but Burmese guilt at the time. I was very disappointed but as I look back at. It skipped and here his side of his edge. Explain it skip out. I don't have a problem with it. Do I wish you would have? Yes but I can't man because that wasn't what was in. That may as art and I only want you to do within your heart so you heard Michael. Last night just straight out condemn Horace Grant for the Jordan rules by Sam Smith. He thought that Horace was the source and Horace was close as horse admitted to Sam Smith. I also think that a whole lot of the Jordan rules information came from Jerry Krause and Jerry Reinsdorf and Rosanna part of it from Phil. Jackson don't discount how much fill had to do with contributing to that book to the Information of Sam Smith for the book and then basically saying. Don't don't blame me. I don't have anything to do with this. Now let's get to the point at hand. I have told you many many times on this show that when it comes to political statements or taking stands on social injustice. Lebron James has been far more of a fearless force been Jordan. Ever thought about being because he didn't think about being so if you WanNa talk about that realm that off the court realm then. Lebron is the goat in Jordan is the lower case. Because he's just way down here he's to to be blamed for it but I don't condemn because to your point Shannon. His mom asked him to do A. Psa public service announcement for Harvey Gantt African American Democrat running against Jesse Helms in North Carolina for this senator spot and he said to his mom. I can't speak to something I don't know about so so he said he said I can't come out of pocket. It made it sound like he was doing it was all about. The money wasn't about the money it was about. It was just a figure of speech about. I just don't know enough. I'M NOT GONNA put my reputation on the line for. I don't know I don't understand any of this as he said. I've never been a political activist. I always thought of myself as a basketball player. I'm not condemning that because the Michael I knew in Chicago. He was just a basketball. He loved his basketball. He loves some of his night live and he really loved his golf in his card playing in his quarter flipping what he loved the most outsider folk in the end. He didn't spend any time trying to read up on politics. You love politics. I don't feel you study politics all day long and I study sports all day long. That's all I'm obsessed with sports and how they work. What makes people tick? And you're just obsessed with politics? What makes people tick? What's this Guy Riley? Stand for? And what what is that guy trying to front to stand for well again. Michael didn't give any thought to that. So he told his mom all contributed to his campaign and he said I contributed. I don't have much. You gave the probably a limit thousand dollars. I don't know but but he said he did contribute well so when it came to incite an eloquence on anything outside of Basketball. I gotTa Tell You Shannon. I interviewed Michael. I I didn't get a sense that he had a lot of insight or eloquence on life matters. So Lebron does those are Lebron strikes. In fact I feel like Lebron's just as strong in those those areas as he is in his basketball IQ. So I. I appreciate Lebron for that. I applaud Lebron for that. I don't think he's the goat. But that's a whole nother issue. We're talking about activism. We're talking about crusading for social or against social injustice Lebron's at the top of my list with Ali there one to Allie obviously put his whole his whole career and life on the line to campaign to take a stand and again. Michael complimented Ali in the documentary. He did not bring up Lebron but am and and yet in the end. I like that quote at the end that this is from Michael in the documentary. Shannon where he said that set examples if if that inspires you great and if it doesn't then maybe I'm not the person you should be following. Well he just saying basically. I am not a role model like the Nike Commercial Featuring Charles Michael Never said I'll role model. It was all be like Mike. But that's like the basketball player off the court I've told you from the start about. He's no angel man. There's not a lot of role model going on off the court for Michael Jordan. I'm sorry greatest player ever to me in any sport off decor not so much man not not a whole lot about it. So it'll be me. Yeah go ahead. You're getting a glance. Glimpse of Holly Actually talked. Because he's dropping curse words and this and that and that's if give out look out look human and I think sometimes we get we get this false perception because you can do something extremely well. Well person doesn't curse. He doesn't say anything she says. You may have emotions and I think the thing is is that if you're from the south and you you're fairly educated in mice educated. You'd lose from the south from from bird from west. Virginia all the way down Jiffy hails withdrawn Thurman to Herman. Talbot's scam you knew what they were doing. The blacks and that's what I think. That's what made people so upset with especially the black but dot dot the boy who's a professor at USC. He says they will let certain blacks. Michael Jordan Oprah. But you're remember now you don't us out of here and if you think about care for my didn't have any missteps he. There was nothing controversial. Kate again gambling. But he didn't take Stan. You Know Rodney King Happened Michael Jordan within the League. Hey so Michael Mate. Michael made it a point to not get because he was building that brand in anything that might have the turtle put a dent into that bran. He wasn't willing to accept that scale but at the end of the day. That wasn't Michael's heart. I can't get mad. Man who was not in his heart if that wasn't in heart dying do it because you'll get exposure. Okay thank you and finally I thought it was significant that Michael. Having editorial control over this. His documentary allowed the Obama footage to be used in which our former president Obama said Michael. I wished he had pushed harder in that. That era about Harvey. Gantt that he wished he had pushed harder at that point because his Obama said obvious coming up as a civil rights lawyer at that point and I looked up to Michael and I needed him to say something and he didn't say something so at least Michael co-signed on allowing Obama to gently criticize him. Because Michael saying well. Gee I wish I'd been able to but I just wasn't in me so I'm with you not condemning him for it and now that you mention that was President Obama that said that he said that a miracle will allow certain it will allow Michael Jordan allowing Oprah Winfrey. It will allow us to a certain extent of Barack Obama. But you remember that was a lot of criticism that L. President. Obama will his eight years in office. Well bomb you a really doing a whole lot by the black. But President Obama says I'm President of America not just within the Black America but now we are going back. He led probably could. I'm sure President Obama probably leave their says. I wish I could've done more. Or maybe I should have. But he made clear crystal there the place in society American Society for Black to rise up. But you know you gotTa Lay. Stay in it all right guys. I want to go back to the competitive side of Mj. And actually compare him to come. Brady Tom just as competitive as Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson gave a detailed story about how dominant Michael Jordan could be a little to no sleep. Magic said quote. This guy would play cards from eleven pm to five. Am and he would get yours asleep and have an emt time. Go Play Golf. Take it to over NAP and score. Thirty by halftime. This dude was just incredible. He is the goat so Shannon. Do you like Magic's description of Michael Jordan. Skip some guys just have that ability some guys? Just if I don't know what it was. They had to go out every single night. I had to drink coming hangover skill. When I first got into league I would go to the car and smoke break for lunch rate but thankfully that Wayne but some guys just had that ability skill to be able to do that. I was not one of those guys I needed to be in my playbook. I need to be in my room. I needed to get my rest but some guys give. I don't know how I mean there've been times kept I'd look broad. You GotTa get me shower because you cannot go into this meeting room smell like that. 'cause Michael Loses mind and then he's going to be looking at me crazy until about. How did I let this happen? And you'll grow man so skip. Some guys just had that ability to be able to party to drink to do whatever is still go out to perform at a high level now to the degree that Michael Jordan he might be only could ever do it to that level to play cards from living in the five to go play around play around the Gulf his skill even though he's on a golf cart he's not walking eighteen holes but just defies give. I remember every coach that I've ever played for on Friday. The last thing they would say. Get off your feet skill. We're not playing until Sunday. And this is Friday at one o'clock get on your feet Michael Jordan on his feet the day of a game that he's GonNa play later that night about seven or eight hours and he's going to play probably forty of the forty eight minutes and for him to go to to go out into play at that elite level. Just goes to show you just how exceptionally talented. He was how much God given ability he had. I don't know how he did it. But they're few guys you re you hear stories about illness. And how he was able to perform at the level he was skipped. Some guys just gadgets game like abundance of talent and they can just do Louisiana. I one of those guys So quick points of order obviously Lawrence Taylor had some drug issues and to my knowledge Michael. Even in ninety eight. The year I was around had no drug issues and alcohol issues at that point so so again you want to think like what was the had he become the Joe Namus Snake Stabler of the National Basketball so's now it wasn't. It wasn't like that it was. He had such a raging fire inside him to compete. He was addicted to competing the he couldn't turn it off after practice. He had to go straight to the golf course oriented. Go Straight to the card game and he didn't want to just play until nine o'clock or ten o'clock he wanted to play until five. Am and if you've got him down he'd WanNa play longer as magic said and then you sleep for a couple of hours in magic was also. He was actually describing what was going on in Barcelona before the Olympics. So then he'd go play golf and he'd take a quick nap and he goes scored thirty against Ghana. Somebody before halftime was the point. Was that that that raging competitive fire ran so hot that I believe it did start to devour him and I do believe that gambling issues gambling associations did have a lot to do with why he was forced to take a sabbatical for to heart of his prime years at age. Thirty and thirty one and go play baseball. Aa For the Birmingham team that was owned by the Bulls owner. Who's obviously also the white sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf but I believe he was encouraged to step away because he'd gotten too deep into gambling but the point was that that fire in him remember. Magic also told the story in the documentary. They're playing cards the night before game. One of the second finals of the first three peat against Portland. And it's so late at night and Maj said Hey I gotta go I gotTa let you get some sleep here. And that's when Jordan told him. Hey I just want you to know. I got him tomorrow night and he was talking about Clyde Drexler. We'll pour clyde drexler hadn't hadn't trash talk Michael Jordan at all but once again he was always creating fictionalised seeing these bogus rivalries with because he thought some people were saying Clyde Drexler was better than him and you know what he did in a prior up a game one he made six threes and gives it this up and down the court looking at magic like I told you last night I told you last night so again the cigar smoking always bothered me when I was in Chicago because he was constantly smoking cigars but it was the only way he knew to calm. His rage was to smoke cigars off the floor and again do I think they're good for you. I do not but Shannon the other side of Michael was. He was a supremely talented overachiever. Because the other thing you would do is Tim. Grover the great trainer of Michael Jordan. It after every home game would go in the locker room and hold up fingers for Michael. Do you want to go at six? Seven or eight. And he was talking about the breakfast club. Workout club that they had Scottie. Pippen Ron Harper at Jordan's house before breakfast and if Michael had played a So-so game he might want to start at six. Am maybe seven. Maybe if he played well play it and it started at eight but he never missed a workout when I was there. Ninety eight his last. Go Round with those those bulls to because he was in supreme shape even though we smoke cigars. Yeah so don't underestimate. He wasn't letting himself go. He was still working as hard as ever and there was no drug or alcohol issues. Certainly that I was aware of skipped one of the greatest athletes that I've ever been around with a guy named Sam Fletcher. He played with me and Denver. My first three years. Simon was smoke probably three cigarette. Drink a fifth of Jack and could nobody beat him with wind sprints. He was an outside linebacker. He was the most optimized to what he could do after. I'm like fledged how you do that. Like I don't know I just do it. Scale the Michael Jordan when you say you had a competitive issue see Armstrong with distribute describing. It last night's Gift. He said we played the game. Michael won the game. He's he let us guard there. We do all this thing. And then when it came down to locate matter skill Michael Warner just soul. The reason why he's killed if he wanted the money the game was over. C- he lost. He wanted to keep. Because you wanted to keep playing skip. He wanted your soul he wanted. I got all your money and on the court he wanted to take your soul. Yes we won the game but I dropped fifty. Does that was his mind? Says he wanted to break you? Mentally was killed. If you take all everybody the card table guys looking around late damn do. He weren't worth one hundred fifty million. They weren't familiar and he just took one hundred three me. Well he's in the basketball games. Kill he's like dude. Why are you playing Zohar? Okay you want you got thirty. You win it. No I won't forty I won't fifty. That was his mindset. He's trying to not only break. You mentally. He's trying to break you mostly and physically. That was what he he don't want to leave you in. He wanted to read shop. He wanted to be like Sherman through Atlanta during the civil war he did YEP and remember what Dennis Rodman said in last week's last dance episode about him. He said I was great during Games. My problem was what do I do with myself after games? I believe in a very different way. That was Michael's problem. I can't turn off my competitive fire. I gotTa do this and I gotta do that. I got to compete compete compete and I got a gamble to make the stakes high enough to entertain myself and keep me alive off the court. There's just so much from all these episodes guys. We also saw an incredibly touching interview with the late Kobe Bryant. He spoke about his special relationship and bond with Michael Jordan will discuss it. Kobe Bryant faced off against Michael Jordan and the Nineteen Ninety eight all star game during episode five of the last dance and in a more recent interview in the documentary. Kobe said Jordan was like an older brother too. He also said quote what you got for me is from him so Shannon. What do you make of the Kobe? Quotes and the interview that we saw with him from the last dance skill after watching that listening to Jordan Tall. You know why. Join coby so much because he saw himself in Kobe the very thing that he was talking about Kobe in the locker room scale before the All Star game. That's what everybody sat about. He'll he wants to make everything a one on one game. Hey look pass the ball looking to eight day. We'll go one on one is scoring light you. That's why George George. That's me I look at myself in the myself in the mirror skill fourteen years ago. That's why he love Kobe. And Co get like I said about his guilt. Michael Jordan's the stars of Stars and he's different and they've been great player but he was different and coby with was the know like talking. Join okay. Yeah bright changes up. Imagine how you know where the guy in Kobe's probably thinking when you need to feel about it it might cause delays you feel as about it. What his leg. And that'll tell you what you need to do it where you need to go. He's like Oh and then Michael said something that I don't know if he's ever told anybody play before out there. If you need anything hit me. Oh okay I guess he didn't know. Koby literally like we'll go ahead of everybody like Benhaddouga Cable News Bra. One o'clock two o'clock in the morning. Can you sleep? Leave me alone but he took the time in. Kobe became what he became because skill when I was growing up. I WANNA be just like my brother. I got the same pair of jeans. I try to be whatever he had a shirt. He's his what his favorite player was Bobby Dandridge play with a bullet. They used to call. Mr Clutch was killed. I went and got measured. Had Mystical put on the back in law case level. Because I wanted to be just like my brother Koby Bryant wanted to be just like Michael Jordan he mimicked the only thing that didn't do skill he's that would be going too. Far Will Take the number twenty. Three Bud skip the way. He walked. Doodo arm brand opponents sailboat. That's a measly rolled out over his cab the baggy shorts the way has turned out of his mouth. Everything will they carbon copy of what Michael Jordan Kobe? Kobe Bryant became. And that's why people say the closest thing we've ever seen to Michael Jordan. Kobe being brand and it is very very true in. I very very much agree. The reason that I have such respect for the Michael Kobe relationship is even in my year in Chicago covering those last dance bulls. I was not aware how close Michael and coby were becoming by. Didn't see I didn't hear about her over the next five six eight years and not until Kobe past not until the memorial hid is all in and was so bitter sweet for everyone to have to to live through especially Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Who cried up. There and ways showed emotion like he'd never shown public before I didn't appreciate just how deep the bonded become between Colby and Michael and I read a quote last night from Magic Johnson. And I'm GonNa read just a part of it because he said Kobe didn't have a lot of friends but he really had a good friend. In Michael it almost came across like that was the only real friend that he had. He said. Magic said I think they could go places in conversations that nobody else could go to with Kobe or Michael. We're they understood the greatness of each other and could go there and imagine concluded. Kobe knew that Michael. Really and truly cared about him. And coby definitely cared that lunch about Michael which is why when they talked about big brother little brother and when. Kobe said I wouldn't be here without him. I wouldn't have five championships without his guidance. Man It stunned me gives me chills just to talk about it now. We're the reverence. The offer each other the deep connection at a level. None of us can ever know between those two. Greats was chilling to me last night when I saw the Kobe quotes because they were obviously he did the interview before he passed. Obviously so so that it was maybe one of the last interviews that he did before he passed ruined. I I appreciate it so much and I don't want to dwell on this but I know we had Lebron with his instagram post and big brother. And I gotcha and I'm GonNa Carry On for you. I got your back. I'm GONNA keep it going in. Lebron concluded please give me the strength from from above from the heavens above in watch over me. I got us here in. I just don't think Lebron's connection with Kobe. Was Anything like this Koby. Michael No I know that. Be At gotten close or near the end. Maybe but it wasn't anything like the depth of this one. This was true that this was Michael who was threatened by any and everybody even Clyde Drexler. We saw last night insane. He could be me. You know what I'm GonNa honor him by. Put my arm around him. But I'm going to do it quietly. I'm going to do it off. Camera I'm not gonNA publicize it. I'm not even going to talk about it. Kobe didn't talk about it that they seem to have some rivalry because they'd sort of trash talk each other but the depth of I saw last night was a beautiful thing to watch it worth. I think the thing is as for Dole's to someone that's been very similar situation because we think about it all those moves. Kobe had to get them from somewhere. Yeah you can study but at some point in time you got to go meet the master you have to go off to him and bill and have them show you skip you remember. When after they lost two thousand eleven Lebron win worked out with Akeem Olajuwon because he wanted to understand the put work in the post and how he was going to be able to dip under the basket. Shoot that fadeaway turnaround that he made that. He got bear proficient at well. Michael Jordan at some point here in Kobe had to have a conversation Kobe they had to have met up. Were going to get that. He's in the locker room. And the All Star game and George says that move boy go take everybody on what scale? That's mypillow that's eighty five star gave because ours as a burden to the pros ev- out because they say that will ballboy everybody. What would we go passing through? He thought he saw himself if almost when he looking at Colby he's looking at his reflection in the mirror. Bath what he saw and then he saw the because killed. Here's a nineteen year old? That's not afraid to take on Michael who the best player in the game at that time he would. I'm not afraid of you. Everybody's been aren't and rivers. Yeah I'm GONNA respect you. I know who I know who you are. I don't want you represent but come. Get me buckets. That had Kobe so from that point on. That's what Colby win at everybody. He said that if I can go that guy is you remember the last time that he phase Michael he dropped double nickels owning. He's the only way I can know how to show where Michael Jordan respect was the dude that skill. I mean it was it was so good. Go ahead go ahead. Yep well again. As Kobe said last night net first all game all by really knew of him. Those guys in the locker room. I'm the guy who shot all those airballs and he did playoff series. Remember shooting airballs like crazy and I think he run over Jordan because it didn't bother him a bit. He came right back firing the next year and started turn into Kobe. Bryant is good but if I'm not mistaken I don't even know if Kobe was a starter. He got voted he got boating him to the. All Star game every player. That just goes to show you what they thought of knew what was coming but it was unbelievable to hear. Jordan talk about Kobe and Kobe. Talk about how. What a respectful relationship that he had with Jordan really was and that quote from Kobe. What you got for me was from him. And that's how I'm GonNa Remember that episode of that interview own mind.

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Best Of (Belichick + Stidham, Best sneakers in NBA history, Big Ben's return, Michael Jordan)

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Best Of (Belichick + Stidham, Best sneakers in NBA history, Big Ben's return, Michael Jordan)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon. Let's go jake lasers latest mail bag. He was asked what would be the. Qb Of the future and New England. Laser said he believe so and all indications are that the Patriots wants to them to be the guy moving forward so Shannon. How many games can new England win was stood on as the starting qb vascular believe they can win some borough around the Games? Maybe changed to get a lucky bounce here. They're clearly skill so in other words. Coach belichick really made no attempt until the very last dinner. I'm not so sure. He made that attempt. I believe Mr Craft made him so coach. Check really made no attempt to resign. Tom Brady he's like you know what's going to happen. They're going to release Brian. Moore YOU'RE IN CLEVELAND. He's GonNa come back and he's going to start what he's GonNa Start for year and that'll give them another year to get ready to move forward. Come this was called Belichick plan. Automo- that Jarrett Stidham. He felt Jarret. Stidham was ready to take the reins and he wanted to move in that direction. You look at me saying they can win. Nine Games is my competence and coach Belichick and the deepen not so much Jarret Stidham. Because we haven't seen enough to be able to formulate a real a real good idea of just how good he can be or how good he couldn't be still if you look at their deepest number one in scoring defense total defense interceptions. They got younger more athletic. They held an opponent to seventeen points of fewer twelve times. They were undefeated in those games. And I believe that's the way they want to play because Code Military Hale. Is Tom One of them games? He might have didn't lose city so if we played that kind of brand of defense again if does doesn't lose any game code metal. Take pills but they can have a very similar record to what he had last year but that remains to be seen. We're GONNA see coach. Belichick seems to be willing to find out. He wanted to move in that direction. But I'm not surprised that jared goes to all this world Jarret Stidham. They're gonNA bring somebody else saying I believe they're going to give jared's did every opportunity to succeed or fail. That was all we're going to be the plan and if he doesn't get it done coach. Belichick will have no problem. Moving on Shannon Char. The harder I look at what's left in New England especially of Jarrett. Stidham is going to try to replace Tom. Brady the goat. The harder I look the more I see six and ten and I believe six ten Shannon number one. They play the hardest schedule off. Last year's records New England has the number one degree of difficulty strength of schedule that they have to play just to remind everybody they're non division games tonight. Obviously eight o'clock eastern time. We get to see the schedule's how they lay out how they are actually chronologically order win. Yes yes but New England at home must play besides their division games. Baltimore and San Francisco and then Arizona which I think is going to be a wildcard team this year and Denver and the raiders. Then away they have to go to Kansas City. They have to go to Seattle. They have to go to Houston hard hard hard and they have to go to both. La's both to the chargers and the Rams so two more big cross country flight trips and to me if they could win. Six Games with the first year starter. I would be impressed because helped me out. What has bill belichick done to make his team? Much of any better through the off season he did next to nothing in free agency. I was very disappointed in him through the three draft as the night and days because Mel kiper ended up giving him a C plus and I kept waiting for him to sort of manipulate and dominate the draft. And he just didn't not one bit he made. Did I say wow? That was interesting way to go bill and in the end they still have Stefan on more. Maybe the best shutdown corner in the game and they did resign. Devin mccourty. He's one of the top safeties. But if you look at the mass exit excuse me exodus of free agents on defense if you look at the front seven. It's got holes all over the place. Look at the front three holes across the board. I don't get it. Net defense cannot be quite as good as it was last year and then Shannon help me on offense who your best off his players Julian Edelman broken down. Beat up off surgery at age. Thirty three JOE. It the Keel Hairy. Who's that Joketani the franchise? Oh yeah they'd franchise to their friends. Okay so your guard through he. He's your best offensive player. I'll give you that will nikiel. Harry suddenly turned into a first round draft. Pick down the stretch last year. Last eight games and we'll Sony Michelle ever get out of bill checks doghouse because that's where he stayed most of last year and it brings me is James White. Your best offense. Maybe I don't know he's twenty eight years old. He's a great run is he. The Guy He baby is because you didn't you didn't land tied in the worst production from your tied in unit in pro football last year. And I just don't see that you made it any better so I feel a little. Sorry for jared chain him because again. I told you this before. I watched him a lot in college at Baylor recruits in the nation. Excuse me out of Stephenville. Texas for our riles and as a true freshman. He play lot. I watched a number of those games. Some hits and misses not bad then. There was the scandal transferred late. Mclennan junior college and then he went to Auburn. His first year at Auburn was really good. So if if he's that guy you got me and he was the SEC newcomer of the year he was second team all SEC quarterback and they beat Alabama and beat Georgia and they were were good. He was very good. That year been is second year at Auburn which was his last year. He's lost it. He lost his confidence. He often lost his poise. He lost his way. He lost his accuracy. I couldn't recognize them anymore. And under fire he got antsy and jittery and flighty. And that's why he's fell to the fourth round so clearly bill bell check is trying to say. Look what I got another diamond in the rough. I got my next. Tom Brady later in the draft. So bill saying I don't want Jordan love. There's too much hype and HOOPLA. I don't want Cam Newton. I guess he didn't want Andy Dalton. Did he try for any Dalton Fail I? I don't know but it appears that he's content with jared Stidham. Who's played next to nothing through one? Pick six Jamal Adams in garbage time. Last year he got yanked I. I can't believe that he's if they were a loaded football team. And you were telling me. We'll jared stints. Just GonNa ease right in and become a game manager for a very good team. You Got ME I. I don't see a very good team. He's obviously very good coach. But but the miracle worker. You're going to have to work miracles. You're right he is positioned. This is why Fox bad them as the number one choice to be the coach of the year. Because you make the playoffs with this. Yeah you're going to be the coach of the year. No doubt about it but I'm looking at six and ten more than ten and six is. The stadium has role twos. Give us a five star recruit. Remember skip he originally committed to Texas take. He goes to the game. Padma homeboy those for six hundred yards and six touchdowns he de committed. I ain't got no chance to play in there so so vest. That's how that's how bad happen scale. Cadillac what I did with being colds. I'd like Brooke if you WANNA play next year. Don't come here I'll move into tidy and you can't beat me up but step look when I look at him and you look at coach. Belichick in what he's doing do do. Do We believe that the AFC are Bible threats now? I know buffalo step on digs and they got. They got a little better but are do we. Are we really really trust in the quarterback? Are we really going to trust fitzpatrick are we? Do we really believe in Bryant Flores? I'm basing all my. I'm giving all the love that I've been given the Patriots recovery coach. 'cause I agree with everything you say. They got a little bit right home about an off. A We gotta take this Guy Way we gotta double that guy or that running back. He light US up. They know that the defense walked. Oh man we gotta slap protection here. We got a block Lawrence. Gosh or we got a slide to protect their take weight of been a bit of it. Vitovich give. There's none of that. We got digs. Now he's one guy like okay list but I don't pick another other guys. They reached the up the option of David's brother Jason mccourty but like you said they lost arm and then lost a lot. So it's GonNa be very interesting. The only the only reason I say they can win. Nine game is because I believe in coach Belichick. That's it because it's not because they loaded with talent that I'm big win. Ni- games channon. Buffalo is better than New England. I BELIEVE BUFFALO. Will Win the division. The Dolphins on paper just on paper right now because jared stem the quarterback. The dolphins are better across the board then the Patriots to me. They're deeper there more talented. They had a much better draft. Now can they remember? They were coming alive under Ryan Fitzpatrick. He'd beat the Eagles light and then they went up to Foxborough and Ryan. Fitzpatrick drove at eighty yards in the last two minutes to beat bell checks defense and knocking out of the seed so they're bringing some momentum into this year. I don't know whether to is going to play or not but either way to who you say is they'll be great if Ryan Reynolds factory can continue to build off what he did last year. You always say he's up and then he's down he's up and he's down expecting to be up these down but the point is that team has momentum and Brian Flores is really good at what he does a chip off the old block so to me they could be better than New England. I don't think the jets are better than New England but again no. It's starting to feel like on paper. The New England Patriots are the third best team in that division. So bell check did exactly what bell check wanted to do. He set himself up to be coach of the year. And if he can pull this off power to him. You will be the coach of the year. I just can't see it scared when you look at the Patriots. Even last year they only had two players that was better than anybody on Buffalo. That was the quarterback Stefan Gilmore. I mean you look at the Potala Visit. Line running back you look at the defense. I see two players so I mean Alan is going to have to play out. Outplay steeler. Because I still believe. Bill will be good. That's normally we don't see defense. That'd be good one year. Be Better the next year. Only eighty six bears statistically was better than the eighty five bears. But you look at the two thousand Ravens. The two thousand one ravens worn is good. If you look at the o two bucks and how transcendent there'd be worth the old three bucks weren't as good so it's GonNa be interesting to see. Can they be somewhat close to what they were because remembered? Minnesota's defense after that transcendent year that he got an NFC championship. Game Wasn't even close to what they were. The Knicks wasn't closed the next year. So it's GonNa be very interesting to check believe they can be but I don't I don't I don't believe so and final point Shannon down the stretch last year that historically great path that the new England defense was on. It went right over the cliff because after that Sunday night game at Lamar when they got torched they really started to wobble and struggle in one wheel came off and maybe two wheels came off down the stretch. So I don't know that they're going to carry any momentum into next year either. Just give him his skill. I don't see transcendent. I team to see a team. That's playing bad quarterbacks. And when they play someone that's competent that position. They're going to be in trouble because you can't play that much main coverage and get away with it and soon they got rental. As you mentioned Lamar Jackson and Padma home and things just started spinning out of control. 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History was released in many iconic. Shoes made the list but it was the Air Jordans stole the show at number two were the classic are Jordan once the best ring seekers ball time or the Air Jordan eleven. And let me just save before I ask my question both of you guys. Take Your Shoe Games very seriously shannon? I've seen you post videos of your crazy shoe closet associated. Yes I'll ask you first. You agree with this list. Will first of all. I'm not surprised that Jordan tops. The list guilt because Jordan may shoes fashionable before. Jordan's give basically you you you know practice and play basketball gyms you with exceptional chuck. Taylor Taylor's where your stars dream jeans and button-down Shirt and that was the style but Michael Jordan. That was the style. Michael Jordan may shoes fashionable now. The shoe's skip. Everybody knows about the VISA Air Jordan ones. These are the. They're not the black white all the way that I but these are what they call the. These were the first shoes that Michael Jordan war. Now you had to color ways red white black and he had red and black. Those were the one that every time he wore. He got five thousand thousand dollars. Instead of stop wearing the Nike. Paid the fine. But the shoe that everybody's talking about what we call this Jordan. Eleven visit the Concorde scale. And what made this shoe so popular? It was the first shoe to have patent leather proud of that. You only pat leather shoes. You'll go into the pro or you go into eastern Easter speech now. The only time not Jim Shoe Skill and win the concord came up. Everybody lost their mind. But then something happened in March of Nineteen ninety-six. If this is called this is also the eleven scale. If called the bread Michael Jordan wore this issue exclusively in the playoffs and it never changed and the game was over. Once he was this you came is still the most popular shoes and everything they do now. They've come out with the all grade. Which would be all grey. What you call the coon great to have the space jam in the eleven. They have so many different wall beal get so many different ones giving they do so many different color way so. I'm not surprised that the eleven and the one dominated skip. You know you can't see it but you know the shoe that he won the Ada Dunk Contest. Siemian the white so. I'm not surprised I thought it would be the og skip because that's where it really started. But I'm not surprised that the eleven is the most popular junior because Lebanon is unbelievable. She was great comfort and a bang. Issue the patent leather is what set aside from all of the shoes can because the the eleven scale if all PAT leather being coup gray be at the concord be the space jam. It didn't matter it was patent leather. And that's what set aside from all shoes Gotcha. So when I saw this list before I opened it I tried to guess. What's number one and I'm with you? I thought one would be the one would be the ones would be the original. The Oh Jeez. It's gotta be the shoes money riding. It's got that one and yeah. When I saw was the eleven I thought about it. The more I thought about it the more I liked it because the truth was if you look hard at Jordan's Legacy. He had his greatest year in that shoe. That year they went seventy two and ten back year. He won the regular season. Mvp He won the All Star game. Mvp IN SAN ANTONIO. He won the finals. Mvp as they beat Gary Payton Sonics and six games. He won the scoring title again one of ten times and he was first team all defense and on top of that. It's the space jam. Sneaker so I don't know just on you know on pure legacy to say the impact of what happened in that shoe. Yeah okay. I'm good with that being number one and by the way the conchords were always my favorite and in the reason chanting leather. I I always call them my Tuxedo sneakers because those are the ones that they're my favorites to wear on undisputed. Low tops are high tops. Because you can. They can rescue up. You can wear with a suit and it just looks like they're made for a suit so you can go casual or you can go formal in. They work and it was the first sneaker. I said that works. However you want to use it it were so. I love the choice. I second the emotion of the choice but Shannon two quick points also before opened up the list I hoped to classic sneakers at least made it into the top ten and boom boom. They did I at number. Nine was the old adidas superstar from the eighties and channing again for me in the eighties. I just lived in the superstar that that's all I ever wore to play off to walk around in or it was it and remember run. Dmc ran to the bank in the Dar's yeah they had to say to remember. I got it and remember. What did Jordan? What was Michael? Jordan's choice when he came to the NBA and eighty four. He wanted to be Adidas Right. We learned in the documentary. Said no you need to take a trip to Portland Oregon to the Nike Headquarters. And at least listen to what those people have to say. And then when his father heard those people at the site is you need to do this and Michael Said Okay and it was simply the greatest decision ever made in his life. Right your candidate better than that. Yeah you use the go ahead and this is this is why nobody will ever take can can top him with the sneaker gay because of what because he was the first to do it and he's kind of cornered the market. If you take all the normal guy have shoe deals. Was they retired? They discontinued making the shoe. Michael Jordan shoe is more popular now than he when he play and he hadn't played in fifteen years. So when you when you when you look at it and and I remember I remember all the shoes of the threes. I like to see skill. As a matter of fact these concord and these brands skip these are the original shoes. So Nineteen ninety-six one thousand nine hundred these original shoes. Yeah so like you said when they came out with Pat Live I who thought I figure thinking about putting pat gyms you know when you actually still what I actually went to the store and so it as oh my goodness I said and then they just started so you went from concord to the the brands and they went to the cool grave and they went to the jail to for bottles of the imperial. The with the other man get. Nobody's GONNA be able to touch it. Colby Heather gray shootout loved. Kobe shoes as a matter of fact my last year endeavor. I went to a gain to see Kobe plate. The shoes toby played in I went back. I witnessed the dressing room. Talk to them as well. Let me get those off his feet he autographed and pour me any gave them to me the Raji now. People don't remember skill originally out of high school. He signed with Adidas. I think like six or seven year league before he came. He came aboard Nike which was a great decision. Skip if you also remember Michael Jordan College Dean Smith was it. 'cause got converts that's he wore in college but Yep they wait he. They not make him bigger than magic. Larry Okay that brings me to converse and the second shoe that made it into the top ten because to your point at the at the time Michael came into the League eighty-four Michael and Larry dominated the shoe game with John Webb. Remember those yeah yes our magic and Larry Dominate with those weapons. The converse weapons. Everybody was wearing those at that point but the shoe. I WanNa talk about that. You mentioned was the shoe. I literally grew up playing in was the chuck Taylor Converse All Star now in day. They were always all white and quick story. When I was a freshman in high school for the freshman team everybody wore all white converse and we love the black ones. And if you could get your hands on black ones you were at that point. I went to the Varsity basketball coach. Who was alleged named Don Van Pool? I went into his office before school. One day on behalf of the freshman team and I asked coach Van Pool. Could we wear Black Chuck Taylors and I got a one word. Answer no and so. That was the end of that deal. But I've always loved the black ones now. Everybody loves a red ones and green ones in yellow ones and they have endured and they're they're selling just as well now as fashion where as they did back in my day as just purely basketball where so go and converse all stars number five on the list. Yeah and of course you know I gotTa keep able to Go James. Fifteen the floor. Uk Nice you real real real nice you if you really look at still here. Wait time I need to make one quick note here that. Espn also did a bottom ten of all time and I was a little surprised. Guess what was number eight on that list in the bottom ten? The Lebron Thirteen. Lebron shoes made the bottom ten shameful. I Donald Falls Lebron issue. I didn't even know. We had a lot of his signature. I don't even know yes. He got seventeen as a matter of fact. I wearing the Mazda right. Now skip if you remove get it new-look it probably the ten of the iconic shoes really your improperly. You could easily put say Jordan has them all because you look at the trees the cements he wanted to dunk contest in the white cement. Okay forced are very good. People don't really like the poorest because increase so much easily crease the I like five people like the infrared which the safest the SAM is that. I don't really like the aged but I mean when you look at what he's got scared. I mean it's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable though the black female. He actually played the game but he wanted done. Those are the tunes scares me. I'm biased towards the tunes. My mom of waiting in line in one thousand nine hundred seven for three hours to spend one hundred dollars on those shoes. Those are my favorite because the memory what it brings back and what my mom waiting allowed to give me those junior issues for a hundred years because I never wavered again the middle paying a hundred dollars for a of shoes that will that will be my mom. My called gym shoes. Also but hitman. This scale is he changed the game skip. That's why nobody's ever GonNa catch me up because you can't talk Michael Jordan without talking shoes. Yeah so you are willing to admit live national TV. That Michael Jordan is at least the sneaker goat we well we we. All my rushmore is. Jordan is Kobe if run the WEB IS DR J. All-star picking we're bird imagined. No sorry I'm not going to forget this day. It's been said by Shannon. Mj Is the sneaker goat Just so you know it's been said I'm not gonNA forget that one. You is no your shoes. You put me to shame there. That was really interesting. Laser may have been poking fun at Ben Rothlisberger and his latest mail when asked about big. Vans off-season Fitness Program Laser said quote. First of all. Let's put the words fitness and Ben Rothlisberger together. His idea of a great offseason workout program is doing yoga session. Playing golf drinking some beer. So Shannon how concerned should the steelers about this mission be concerned? Big Band's thirty eight billion has never been known had a aesthetically pleasing body so to speak. Oh scared when you look at quarterback with Accession Cam Newton. How many have you man? But I want to be built like or back is normally why receivers running back in the defensive side of the football other than defensive Lineman Alicia Aaron Donald myles Garrett but for the most part quarterbacks have narrow shoulders skin. They don't need a whole lot of muscle they don't need to be ripped shredded up and talk through. Kenyon. The ball ball from Point A. Point B. Katie. Hit The wall. Throw the ball to the guy in stride. Can he do that? That's all they care about. Pittsburgh's big is thirty eight. What to expect me come in at two twenty five when he's played the lion's share of his career to forty five to fifty. Kim. That's going to happen. That's who he is Tom. Brady you see other guys have taken their workouts diet nutrition very serious but I never looked like may being really working hard the off season. He's eating properly. Nobody ever go ever go say that the question is Kennedy. Throw the ball caning wing game. That's all they care about in Pittsburgh. And that's all these should care about so you just mentioned the diametrically opposed Tom Brady. I do believe that. A huge part of his longevity as he wants to play it forty three forty four. Maybe up to forty eight is his off. Season conditioning. Heck is in season conditioning. You work out hard. I work out hard. Tom Brady works out hard again. He's found new ways to work out that he says don't threaten his body. He doesn't lift heavy weight anymore. It's more pliability. It's more stretching. It's more lightweight it's more resistance bands. But he's still working hard to stay young in his body and I think it's crucial to his longevity that he has done that. I think his teammates feed off that. I think that rubs off on the locker room that he's early to the weight room or to the workout room in late to leave so he he is one way to do it. And then there's this way to do it and Channon you. I know you've played with guys who just were blessed. They're just blessed. They were born with the right genetics. It's what I guess. Country Strong and it can be black is white guys. They just got more strong and they don't have to weigh big. Ben Is aptly named big been. He is a huge human being. He is to pull down. It's just hard to get him on the ground. Plus he's got nice athletic ability because he's got really good hand eye coordination which is why he's a good. Golfer and so he can throw with velocity or touch any likes to compete he enjoys competing at Ping Pong or pool or whatever you want or golf and so he loves to get out and compete but he just has that natural knack. That gift of ICAN confined the open receiver and throw him a very catchable pass. Will Egypt the last man? That's just lucky. You got the right constitution. The right genetics. The right skill set that you can get away without working out and and again was Jay. Poke in little funny. Probably was but but there's some truth in there too. We all know ruins never been a workout warrior so get at age thirty eight after. He took the season off because he finally got her. He'd been averaging fourteen years so he's not been a beat up banged up quarterback before he's been fairly durable and and yet. Shannon at thirty eight. Do I expect them to have a good year and him to have a very good year I do. I think he could be the comeback player of the year. I think they could win ten games. I think their defense is very good. I think at least challenge or threaten the Ravens in that division. So I if the steelers were good. We don't need to push and prod him to work out harder and now he's going to last into his forties. It probably not but again at thirty eight. I still think he's in shape enough in been shape enough to be really good. If you look at guy that are really good at golf. You look at their fluid. They don't have a whole lot of muscle. I'm too muscle bound up top so for me to get back in and open up in swimming. I'm tight. I'm titling that you'll get basketball players. I look at the quarterback. You look at baseball players. Give you look at hockey players guys. That doesn't have a whole lot of shoulder. Gert that's not. That's not fluid through this motion field. Those are the guys that good at golf. Will you try to get a linebacker? Get A linebacker killed. If he hit some balls and they happened. It is not running back. You Look at Red Light. Marcus Allen. They swing the golf club. Marshall Faulk is good at playing golf. Give if you look at those guys up about it. I'm too muscle bound. So he knows is wasting my time and plus. I like working out. That's not were being like doing embiid is like I got three five hundred yards passing game. I want to super bowls. I've been to a third. I've been to the pro bowl. I want a number of divisions good. I won't keep this up the same way Tom Brady is like I like to eat way. I E I like a train the way I train Lewis. I got all these all these all these supposed. I'm not changing skill. Wasn't guys had success doing things his way what the training ear skip is hard to get him out of that because athletes skip there. You know skip. They're very superstitious berry. They find something that worked. Whether it's worrying saying the same job taking the same route to the stadium guys who do that bid as success doing it this way being to to forty five to fifty. Who knows maybe him to sixty because like you said you. Don't get the name big being from being a hundred eighty five pounds. I mean sometimes we get these huge and they call him tiny whatever you call six five three hundred pounds. You told my tiny entirely about him. Bid was made being for reason and so like I said skipping the injure had anything to do with conditioning now he tore a muscle. I was like well. Then you need to share some. So that's a freak injury elbow ligament got nothing to do with physical fitness. I know now I got it to your point. That was a really insightful. Point because once upon a time before I started lifting weights I was pretty long with my driver for my size and Shannon as soon as I started hitting the weights tighter and tighter because I liked the way I look so my vanity overtook me and it hurt and I lost yardage with my driver as I gained muscle in my upper body. They don't go together. I think Tiger Woods struggled with his early weightlifting. Because it wasn't right for him. It's about flexibility in that pliability that Brady talks about run. I will bet you that big been not working out not lifting weights. I betty hits it a country mile with his driver on the golf course because he's the Kinda guy can flexible and like my brother. He didn't play golf until he until he retired from the league. And you know he's like I need you to help me get in shade. I wanted to shed a few pounds and I had lifted and he's like d'abre came lift. I can't live like that anymore. I say why not is there? Messes up my swing. He says I can't drive the he says. I'm not fluid with my iron. He's a Bra. I do these low about exercise. I walk but I'm not I'm not. I'm not touching away and you know he can hit the ball a mile he. He goes up the towel and he plays in the Finnish down a couple of times scale but does like did you have to you have to be fluid through this and I got too much I hated. That would've use the the one thing about Big Ben Rothlisberger when he does retire whenever that is at age. Forty or whenever it is. He's a candidate for weight gain because he's never really had to watch the age because he did he does work out. Woo Be careful Mr Rothlisberger as you go toward fifty. You're going to start gaining weight because you've never had had to work at anything to keep it off. You let football off of you or keep it off. Because here's the skin the problem that they run into and this is what most athletes regardless of position because I see cornerbacks that look like now and I see running back that look like now the problem is that they keep saying eating habits would they don't work out with the same intensity well. You can't do that. No one or two things. Sometimes you got to work harder and eat less. You got to do both you to work hard Yankee lift. You can't all of a sudden you know what I would eat whatever I want and just start working out like you did when you play. Okay I see big things and I'm not talking about a job moving so you keep you that same waste. You work it up and see what happens. Guys are way too healthy for me. Just for the record just can take your health and fitness very seriously and I should probably start as well during a recent radio. Interview Sam Smith Former Chicago Sportswriter and author of the Jordan rules aired out more dirty laundry. Smith said several players told him that Michael Jordan would tell the flight attendants not to feed Horse Fran a post-game flights. If he had had game Shannon surprised to hear this he did not say that he says Georgia's is I would go career. I would go correct. This does what they call him. Begbie who they call rescue you remember Jordan said that Michael said he had a feeling that this documentary would have people to look at him in a negative light and he was concerned about that scare mainly worked with me for four years and people have told you about me out of will might say as would had me or move with him because for you to tell someone not to feed me. Because you don't pay. I had a good game. Betas Wiegand fight every day until I beat Mike because this is not about not about a basketball game and sometimes give you gotta be willing to take. Ads COULDN'T APPROVE. A point now might might whoop me. But I'm going to make it so difficult. He Never WanNa fight me again. That would eleven. That would have never ever happen. You anybody that play with me. If my fourteen years ago the state the one thing I would not tolerate disrespect you have to respect me. But I've been damaged. You disrespect me and you will my ads are. I'm GonNa Whip Your Butt. I get where that you think. Because you Michael Jordan that you could say oh. Don't be skip out a lot of child skill. He will do that when they neglect animals. The Alamo does of the heap parties in house. You don't feed him or he does something you don't feed it. You think you have that Kinda pull because you Michael Jordan you the best player in the NBA. You'll sell shoes. You can do that scales. I guarantee you this would have had a very different ended up I would. I would from the product plane to the back of the play. I said today I will put a stop to this. Either you GonNa be me or beat you but this stop. Today's kill brainless. This is unacceptable. I don't care if he's going fifty a gay. I don't CARE IF TEEN TIMES OVER SKIP BAYLESS. I will not stand for disrespect especially by somebody that we're supposed to be in this thing together with absolutely not Shannon Sharpe. You are trying to project yourself on Joe Horace Grant. Grant is not in the basketball all of fame you are in the pro football the NFL's hall of Fame Canton Ohio. So you can't you can't put yourself in his shoes because you wouldn't have been in issues. They didn't have a Shannon Sharpe on their team. They had Charles Oakley who might have qualified for Shannon Sharpe me. He wasn't yeah oak talented at what he did as you were at what you did but in size stature toughness physicality yes you but but but the point was oak was only on that team for so long and to Jerry Krause's To credit he got rid of him and I don't think Michael wanted to go to the next but he let him go so the point was that Michael Jordan was the unquestioned leader of this team and he led by example and he led by deed. So again you're right. I think today's Jordan at fifty seven had real reservations about. Am I gonNA come across a horrible person well this? This story wasn't in the documentary. I don't think maybe it will be but same Smith just told me to. I believe a San Francisco radio station. So Sam Smith did write. The book called the Jordan rules and by the way who has in the documentary Michael Jordan condemned as a quote Unquote Judas in the locker room. Who betrayed him to Sam Smith? Who was the number one locker room source? It was horace grant so I think Moore's probably had the same feelings that you had. But there's no way he's GonNa WanNa Challenge Michael Jordan to a fight because I don't think he could have beaten unified visit just me. I don't think Shannon Sharpe could beat Michael Jordan in a fight though I think it would have been a hellacious. Good fight best just me but in the end in the end this is how Michael Jordan led. If he didn't like what Steve Kerr was doing in practice any warned him and Steve. Kerr did it again. And hard fouled him or will produce set a hard pick again after he was worn they busted in the face. Well he he motivated by fear. So I think it's vintage Jordan and I don't have any problem with it whatsoever. That if horace didn't live up to the standards that Michael had set for him as a performer as a basketball player. Been Michael was liable on the team. Flight home to tell the flight attendant. No food for him and again. It's not like he locked him in a closet for two days and didn't let him eat he just didn't get a post game flight home meal eight when he got he's fine but Oko out eight his plea. I took him play. I'd like you ain't gotta serve me. I won't take his limited. How do Thanksgiving Betas? I was growing up and I was always you know I wouldn't the biggest person but I didn't bother anybody it. I didn't want to bother me but one thing I wouldn't tolerate the one thing that I still to this day. I hate folks that prey on the weak you because you bigger you battle you more well known you can say do whatever you want to somebody. I don't get down like that I never have. I never would scale. I remember my sophomore year in College. Gives you know what they call rush. Fraternities gathered tried to cross over. They will send the guys come down to our dorm to ask for money. Money was tight back there. But do you use them guy too so they can go. You can go get McDonald's get doughnuts and all that stuff. I got two of my teammates. I got it was me Mike. Wallace's themed Joe. He put shoes on. Come I don't to say anything and I went down there I tell you. What if Dawson them down one more time and they knock on my door anybody on the second floor door. Y'All GonNa have to whip me or I'm whip y'all and I'm GonNa tell you one thing may imported then send me down here to take no ass. Couldn't I said don't send them down to the Dorm Virginia from that point on not only from eighty eight native nine deny anybody come on the second floor. Don't play don't leave me skill. 'cause like I said you have to be me I will have to be to. This is Shannon. Now you're accusing Michael Jordan. Being a bully and I'm telling you being a leader he he was not. He was tain leader of the best basketball team in the world he was. He had a rage to win championships period end of story. He didn't care about Horace Grant. He just needed him to help Michael a little bit to win another championship and he did help a little bit. Sometimes a lot mostly just a little and yet he also read it on him behind the scenes because he didn't like being picked on so instead of fighting him may demand man jar jaw fist to fist. He's went to Sam Smith and told him stories behind the scene stories. That Sam was to use. That Sam's job was to be an investigative reporter and he used said stories in the Jordan rules but the point was Michael wasn't trying to pick on horse. He just needed him to play better. And I promise you it worked horse. Grant lived in fear of Michael's wrath. He just like a coach that you played for that. You've feared where we're like Dan Reeves you lived in fear that he was gonNA. He's going to give you an Ascott. If you didn't play right was going to embarrass you and public if you didn't live up to what you were as a football player so horace grant lived in fear of the leader of the team. And that's why I've always said Phil. Jackson was very lucky. Because the real leader of those dynastic bulls teams was Michael Jordan. Not Phil Jackson. The man they look to in the end was Jordan. Not Phil Jordan. Made all the biggest calls Jordan was the one who set the tone and drove that team and motivated it and he didn't have to say anything it was by deed it was example. It was hey if you don't play you don't you don't eat on the team playing home. He was the last word on that team and on that flight home and I loved it. Because it produced six championships. That should have been eight or nine or tin given the last dance and every every time he played in the finals he backed it up with an MVP. So it's not being a bully is just being a leader. I believe you can lead. Look John. Elway was leader but I would not tolerate disrespect and I was. I didn't want to let him down. Missile I made sure I dotted. All my is and crossed all my teeth. I made sure I was prepared. I knew he was counting on me and I wanted him to count on me. I want him to demean and depend on me like the first fifteen but if you remember the movie a few good men. Loudon doughty thought they were doing a good job but they were picking on Santiago. That's what they did and they ended up. You know you know. The story ended kept. You can be the leader. You can be the leader without disrespected me. Because I will tell you one time brought on. Get down like that. That's it now with a mandate you to leave that alone. You don't get down like that. Take him at his word. No matter how big or small scale everything will fight you push to the brain rink down undefeated no matter how you think someone else you push him far enough. They'll go I one of those guys. You don't have to push them in that parking. You Bra leave that alone with it. I'm GONNA keep okay. Okay okay okay. Okay but Shannon. You didn't play for Michael Jordan Bulls. And you wouldn't have lasted long with. Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls because you would have challenged Michael Jordan and you would have lost that battle in the end. He would just say you've been dawn. Did got your mother. But we'll see just what I will leave the way I came because I came to Chicago as a man leaving you laughing emasculate meeting my dignity. Man Michael don't feed you. And they repeated. I wish they write guarantee I will get my ass with without a doubt on the way out and they told that story. I put that in the last in the last day at him. He'd had with me but they told that story. But like I said sometimes you have to take an ad cutting but you make it so difficult. No more that again. That's what you do but you can't do that. Other people scale Shannon later six. He was to fifteen long. He was strong. He was lethal with his fist. I think he would have your hands full if you challenged him. I'll look here see. Here's the thing you do is kill. I'm GonNa say BRA leader alone. I'm done with it. I say another word Bra lead along. I'm doing Mike. Mike alerted the guy that don't keep talking. He can keep on talk. Because I know how you because you don't do anything in life you know what he looked like he like. Martin we got number. I heard Yup I keep on going riding that we in the third grade no down.

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BONUS: Your Very Merry Christmas

I Don't Get It

45:11 min | 1 year ago

BONUS: Your Very Merry Christmas

"Hi everyone do we sound good to we sound good. Yeah I hope so. You hear us in our heads. Oh Yeah I'm wearing headphones. Why they never wear headphones? Yeah I'll need to as welcome to Ashley the last podcast in the last podcast of two thousand nineteen just you guys. No one is not coming out next week for new years. We've never ever taken a week off since we'll last year last year in a row podcast company. They like didn't air it during that week because we act similar so we ended up getting extra week off but so we did technically have one week off off last year but you we've never like thought in our heads we're off next. We've never physically taken a break. Yeah Yeah did you guys. Have you been reading getting the facebook group. Occasionally I was on there. Were Noida Some people were annoyed at our catfish episode. Now why why I did see some people have to say about that and then some teachers can't wait to go back and read. The some people said something that I wanted to talk to you guys about and they were like well if if they all knew that it was bad like the stories were bad. Why did they decide well? Horning did that was the thing we argued over that the argument was what. I thought that the stories weren't strong enough to do it. And they're the other you wanted to do it so we were like all right so this'll be like battle of whether or not it's going to be good or not. Well I don't I wouldn't say that I was gung-ho you weren't added to do as a pretty painful to know that something's not going to be great just you guys know that's never our intention attention but at the same time we've also asked for stories on multiple occasions and you WANNA catfish stores. The first of all you guys have wanted second of all the people that we feel bad that we made all these people's enlisting murders and say all of them are stink so we kind of try to like better than I think. At least I thought it was interesting and entertaining. PODCAST is because we kind of just laughed at everything. Yeah but but people within language I just wanted people that wrote in there to know I feel you and I get it. I feel the same way. I'm sorry I'm sorry. If we lead some you guys down and another thing is I feel like with this broadcast. Ask you don't produce it as if like every episode needs to be perfection. It's like if you guys kind of like you showed interest in having a topic whether or not the stories are good enough. We sometimes still are like okay. They wanted that so let's work with what they want. I think no cater Peter to you got right and I think the end of the day it would be so great to have an award winning podcast but we don't have the resources and our schedules are so freaking wild that I consider more of like a radio morning. Show that what you get. You're going to say what you're GonNa say if I had no other job. Hey this is what I'm trying to say. Obviously I don't get is a major party in my like what I'm saying is if it was my only job like it is for some bachelor people and some other people. Then it'd be weight easier easier for me to vet through thousands of stories as opposed to like. Does that make sense. Well it always see it also comes down to we ask our fan base for the stories and it's kind of way they you deliver. Yeah but if you guys want us to make the executive decision if we don't think stories are strong enough to not do that then just be like. Oh we truly truly don't care if you guys do it or not. It'd be an yeah well. If I'm a avid listener of a podcast I guess I would be annoyed if if one like a wash in a waste if I'm getting them once a week you guys I'm just being honest. I haven't heard one where he sat and passed three minutes. Why what do you think about a meeting even discuss this? We're done. I think this conversation's over okay. Well now I'm afraid how they're going to interpret this conversation truly. Why because maybe they're like? Oh you guys we about ideas. No what do you mean I think every I think literally the facebook group is so fun to read through. It has been the inspiration for so much shit that I feel so lucky to have it as a resource like love the vinegar I want them to interpret it any other way. Someone message me today from the facebook group and was like what are you guys. Doin' surrogates and I was like fuck. Yeah that's such a good idea. The twenty twenty half of our ideas come from facebook. So yeah you're always looks so good. I know Kelly Baker Browse. Wow the best to browse. Not sure. Good let me you know. I have looked so big game. Eyebrows aroused on. Yeah this entire years since the last pockets of the year I do want to do a little reflecting. I feel like you warn the lease make this year. I think you're every year and I would argue that almost every time I've seen you. You have not had makeup on well. Well almost well which is crazy from when I I. I went on stage the other day without makeup on just Mascaro I feel like it. I know Victoria's secret model. No I look very aren't to ruin it by makeup. That's amazing what are we going to talk about. I feel like maybe we've just talk too much about our own selves the pass law. Okay I was GONNA say I can't wait for this holiday break to now we're any makeup Then you always make. It's the worst I need to give my hair and my face a break. That's what I was saying was last time you smiled. Why why did you say that? I don't smile when I have full full-face make a one. Because I feel like I can have fun with you today to make sure I I don't move. I don't I don't drink get so dehydrated. We have ruined my lip. Guys make make sound like a death sentence right so I can't look and see you Ashley Christmas trees in the way. Okay are we in little women comes out silly I it explain the fact that WanNa rider and Christian. Bale never be topped as Laurie done a great. They did a great Rachel. I'm just saying that those were always my Joe. You guys introducing a little woman remember. Oh yeah that's awesome. I feel like I'm nervous for you. Guys Yeah I remember our star. Wars Ole. She's great my headphones on and I can't hear what if it doesn't live up up to the hype it's not going to. I always know that the the the it's actually not the original one thousand nine hundred forty one was also a remake of whatever they made in like the seventies or something but but the nineteen ninety-four one. I saw in theatres as a six year old. I know that sounds ridiculous before like. Oh she's exaggerating her age. I was born in nineteen ninety. The eight I saw in the eight nine born in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. I saw in the theater with my mom. I'm in one thousand nine hundred ninety four years old and my mom was like you were in total. Aw like it's a two hour movie set in the a civil war era. I waited so dislike. It's yeah it's at a lot of weight with casted flawlessly. Really as well. We'll everybody was cast from a mid Somare and she just has a perfect round blonde beautiful face about Claire Claire Danes as Beth. Could it be better to who was. WHO's better than this one? Oh and we're talking about this one Sir Sharon does she know. Joe Yeah you know about but Susan's oriented as Marmee couldn't probably be either who's Marmi uh-huh from big little lies. Laura dern is large earn a fucking love Laura dern up totally made it up. I had no excuses. uh-huh Ronin Yeah Laura dern unless Shutt- Emma Watson is meg. Okay lorries chaumet. We know that Beth is Elisa scanlon. And Yeah Laura dern is Mary how terrible cast tastic. Has I know this. It's just like I. I am Florence Pugh. WHO's in everything? Isn't it Florence everything that's her. That's her emmy. Yea Yeah me and her were at a basketball oh did he is he. Not Dating Really Rose Stephanie. More I loved them together. Yeah yeah they're they're so hot. Speaking of people who are like Tim these Alman or like little androgynous Get the Harry styles for a second new music stuff. I just can't deal with his beauty and so fucking but it's not that it's his personality. Yeah like even jared wants to watch Harry's speak Yeah Jerry Jarrett's like he has a man crush he when he was on. SNL JERICK retweeted. I have like Okay Harry styles. You're good at everything you own accent. It's a hair. He's just a modern modern. Elton John in like it's such a different way was mixed. With Mick. Jagger Freddie Mercury Jagger hopefully no substance yeah I know but that's what's so nice about it doesn't seem to have any sort of thing. He's so smart. I love the way he can carry a show. You did you. You guys see him. In Kendall referring to the fact that he was able to carry like the the late late show unreal the host of it took Over for a day and taken over. He took do you remember when they did. It is all one direction. They're on there and they're like if you do you get a tattoo a two it says lately and he got lately Tattoo Long lately. So He's just I just love hearing him speedy okay. So did you see this skit with the cat. I know I know you're GONNA be doing a car or a cat. Oh Di doc stop right now go watch it on that we stop right now. Okay Okay and how I watch it okay. Well if you guys talking about. It's a good one another thing. I like to talk about. Cats cats cats has like a really bad tomato. When I heard I mean passive cats I was like Oh this is going to be amazing? I thought it was going to be another holiday genome. Roulet take Jason Derulo. Come about our park. Oh yeah she strolls coming through. I heard around the officer. People have already seen it is that you should definitely get high if you go to watch it. It's just too much. They tried to do too much much with technology and cats at the story gets lol guy and the last thing that I heard was that Taylor swift song is really good at it but I don't think it's going to get nominated for anything which it's kind of a bummer for her. I want I was WANNA see like the stage performance of cats and make up. I remember ever seen it. Have you seen it no. I Never Talk I. It's actually nineteen percent tomato meter bell. I I wish they would've just worked cost. And that's what I mean like make up and costumes not digital digital are also when I saw the trailer it was so weird and I was like. Why does this cat have Dan shoes also like like as a cartoon? Yeah I don't know why they do the most cartoons Stanley where it takes place. It's so computerized are you guys in a gutter. There's no there's no plot line. The two cats song is the song that is known for is really great song stunning. If there is a big I don't get it out of the year. I've never understood cats. Sir Why people like every rail says and I think the ultimate I don't get it a Broadway for a lot of people you know. You're like Broadway Cuiaba. I've I've never. I've never seen him in seventh grade. But I got sick really. Yeah there at the Kennedy Center. Oh Okay God. I ll always remember at Zany brainy rainy Zany Brenna educational store. But like it was like a crafty. You know what I mean. They had a lot of strong strong AMIS. He had like a lot of costumes things like that. So in one of them there was like stage makeup the stage makeup book. And there's a picture of the face of cats and how to recreate. It will using the paint that the book came with. I was horrified. I remember I also remember being a kid just seeing the commercials commercials on like whatever like obvious worded I see it. Maybe I saw. Maybe in school they played it or I don't know I saw it somewhere. Okay maybe it was in a trailer. It doesn't make sense either. Why have I seen cats but not seen cat? I'm sure on TV at some point. Yeah there you go sure there I was. I remember thinking while these cousins are crazy. Yeah Yeah Okay so moving onto another movie. That just came out God the movie we should just to be like shows until she's just entertainment today after we got a fine. I wasn't even going to talk about stars. Ars was gonNA talk about Harrison Ford so to me. Harrison Ford as make Hollywood's. I don't get it like I. Just don't get it. I was listening. Listening to podcasts. Jared together it's called The rewatch ables and in one of them. It was about pretty woman. Losing them on. And they're like Richard Gere here in pretty woman or Harrison Ford in working girl and I never seen working girl. Okay but I've seen Harrison Ford plenty of places in my life like like like my Indiana Jones. Yeah Yeah So. I don't need to like see him in that. And all the girls on the panel were saying Harrison Ford and I am so mind boggled by this hairs has never done for me. He is the most monotone voice. He looks like he just wants to get out of wherever he is. And I just don't think it's that feeling I would pick Richard Gere over here dummy dummy dummy he's still with what's her name closer flockhart. Yeah Yeah I think so how. That's a long long relationship. I know right twenty five now this woman this I feel like my mom. I'm like Harrison Ford. And maybe do you think it's maybe like an old. My generally my mom gets your Harrison. Ford either I think guys get it more than anything else. Maybe guys get him because he's like Joel. Let's say sorry we talk over. Look we talk over each other so much. It's like so funny. We're all digesting that everybody's saying but we all start. The sentence of them are just before so yeah she married Goes Avar. Here's forward in twenty ten but they have been together since two thousand and two long time. I was right as long twenty-five years. Yeah that's a good. I don't get it actually. Yeah I mean the US let me know if you guys millennials out there. You Understand Gen Z.. Yeah Gen Z.. If you hear center is let us now. What do you want for Christmas? I don't know I hate when my dad asking I. Christmas is so not magical anymore. Marlin you grow up. Because I'm like. Oh what do I want to do. I own computer. It's so fucking boring and then to the point where like my dad's a great. Well do you want to go to the mall together and get it. It's like no I want to open a present and I want the night before and some prize and I want something colorful and nothing has color in it anymore. Well you want something that you want though but you also wanted to be surprised so like really. Just tell them what you want to wrap it up. I know but that's so unmeasured. No I know but at least you're not getting junk you don't want to do with it so I think you know I've been dying for new computer shifting to come here that's bad offering. That is so lame so when I wake up Christmas morning it's like you could wear off your computer though. So that's my only now. No My dad was like you could put on your credit card and then I'll give you money. Yeah no big right then then somebody gives me money for beat by exactly. What are you guys getting Chris? We just ask for money. I got Arteaga money. Money money the money so boring. It's not boring. I could do you want with it. Lizzie and Mora career learn was Texan either to every year. And so I'm like I tell that bitch I I get every Christmas podcast on the same page when it comes to receiving gifts from our elder parents. I camman I'm not gonNA wear this fucking purple sock. You've got on clearance from target. Just save your three dollars. I don't want mom is she tells me and she's like can you. Can you figure out what Lauren wants. Don't ask her. I just figure it out. I want for me from everyone. I could screen shots from texter. Burma what do you want them. Links to turtlenecks else. This they have at least you ask them instead of being like yeah. Don't tell her swear to tell her. What is something something non basic that you guys would want for Christmas? What was annoying? I don't need anything I really. Oh boy anything. That's the thing is we don't need anything really. Nobody I the other stuff I want. I guess there's no stuff there's up. There's an image bless so weird. There's an image of Freddie Mercury on Darth vader's here's shoulders and I think that would be a dope poster to have in place. That's pretty cool. So Oh my dad won't get that for to we'll now all all get it for you. Yeah but you'd have to make it. You know what I'm saying exists in the world like it's an image in the world that you'd have to agree. That would be so cool to have well if you send me the image. I'm been done I know I know you're right and you know what's even funnier guys. Is That my dad. He when I asked my father what he wants or craisins. Tell me what. You're never responded like nothing. Nothing your presence. Your project auto real mother fucking president. Dad says US every year in my dad is so hard to shop for the giants have all the time He. The giants are horrible. Well he does not want that anymore he also like my mom just gets them. What's his clothing brand favorite with rating? So he gets like a new new like load of clothes for the year through my mom and Dad. I have nothing to give you so because my dad doesn't listen to the podcast I'll tell you what we got for him. Barn let her finish her thoughts. I want to hear your guide. We thought she said this is what my dad us every year and then you saw that that was a summarizing the yeah my dad was really weird. I got it for him like this laser stupid military weird nerdy science thing and it's not coming. Ah It's so weird. It won't come until the end game so I printed out a piece of paper on putting it in a car and I'm like this is the lamest curtis she's GonNa Open Up. Aw I've done that before. I dare lost year. 'cause we what are you gonNA. You're done okay so this is also kind of imprinted picture thing. The new thing and I was like is there like a box. I can get on Amazon to wrap up the piece of paper opening something if you get them Lauren. I do all the Christmas shopping for our parents thing right there I send them home up. So that's good when we get down. Okay so I just went over to bark bitches. I got him matching sweat. Shirts with Ethel that say I saved a human dog. Save humans or something like that. How did you get that? That is the most genius gift box. I made a donation of three hundred dollars to a dog adoption charity so on and so there I was just like you know what he loves his dog. Ah Rescue dog more than anything. And it's better. That doggies out there reminding. Thank you wrote the side on my mom's gift. I thought I was going to be able to like secure up by Christmas because I've been working on it for like a week now but I found out that I can't secure it by Christmas but I can do it by her birthday so I told her I was like You're big gift is gonNA come for your birthday thirty one days later. Okay you know no big Dale. And then she'll have things like Other things that my mom listens to this broadcast on market now never really hurt. She listen sometimes so choose. Can I tell you guys what I got. Jared tell you exactly what book I feel like. That's more exciting. So can you tell you I got my mom. My mom wants help with my mom has been. My mom is no eyebrows therefore I have no eyebrows. My mom is like dying to get micro bleeding. All that's Great Gif. It's a great gift by Ashley. I'M NOT GONNA be there with her and she was in Florida and I'm terrified that I'm GonNa pay for the fuck up of her face now. I'm so oh scare reliable place. I don't I haven't gotten it yet. I'm still I figure out from your friends. What's a reliable Orlando now your parents. Yeah Uh my parents moved wait all of the House with the move. I told you this long time ago. Okay they moved. Yeah months ago like summer like after the cruise anyways I did not know this child at home. We still have not so mytalk mytalk home because I knew that they moved housing. Bogut but they live in Orlando now anyways Q.. Magic my mom gets in my girl bleeding and that show really bad and then it's like I did that my mom. You can't go with her to the playoffs. Because it's like Christmas out here and you get it for out right here and you know. Why don't you look at all the reviews and rhythm very in depth on yelp really good gift though? Shot out to anybody in Orlando area listening to this guys know of a good place in Orlando micro plated. Yeah actually. That's Gregory Gregory Natural. Everyone's okay with jared. I also not on this. PODCAST is in case. Somebody says something on the message boards and he reads message boards all the time and all that stuff but I got him something very cool but it's also print out because it's like it's less of a it's an experience say ah that's always print out so it's an experience and He's going to like it more than anything. I could wrap up for him. I might like to like Jack. She'll tell you after and then are you yesterday. Are you taking him in the plane. That goes up no no. He doesn't want anything like that. That's it's not. He's I want so should ask for that. I gotTa Kylo Ren Mask that makes the voice turns lay dob. They have thirty five dollars on Amazon. Could be a piece of shit who knows that it's amazing song on going to place it in a box and like maybe like have a blackbox red tissue. And then he's and then I'm going to say put it on and and then when he puts it on. The paper is taped up in there with the whole gift giver. I love it. This is my favorite thing to get things for people that I know like is really going to excite them day. You know they'll like it. Yeah but then why is it so I'm the same way as you. Why is it so easy for us to give cool stuff but not for people able to get us stuff that we would have Because remember when you guys got me the Larry David stuff and I freaked out. 'cause like no one had ever really got me something that I was was like. This is something that I want my household. I don't know on everyone's like that. It's a very special guest that you have to give a gift. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah I don't have that gift. There's a gift of giving the road on a couple of other. I don't get it. I saw this thing thing. I've seen it for years now but I just put my head. You know at home alone when mcallister's go away and he spends he buys nine flights to France I tone yeah come on And the MEAM is the older. I get the more like how did he. Yeah and that house and that how did he do. Do we know what we know right outside Chicago. We're bringing that up. I don't know I don't get mcallister's nine. Oh it's an trip. Was it the whole time we had a whole family. Yeah but who is in that house there. It was the mcallister kids and there was like three or four. There was a fifteen hundred zero. Hey no that was like two cousins and the rest were all his brothers and sisters sir. He goes picking the whole family to Paris for Christmas. Oh well I mean that's something. They flew I clan. They did they dare insisted. The parents said the kids are in the back. I remember this. That's so funny okay. So since since it is the end of the year we'll do some end of the year and we're not going to have a podcast on the first of the year the first week of the year. Let's too many. Where's Lois Oh laois allowing us? She's right under. She do a mini retrospective on the year. And then I'm tired by Lauren. You had the most transformative. That's what I have learned this year. I'm exhausted ragged. Run Myself. Ragged crowned around. You look like you're tired right now. Thank you ma'am. That's so nice. Look at her circles of also Nice Ashley. People won't fill them for me for Christmas television. A big screen TV. I need them filled. They're not from okay. You don't need you definitely don't need them. Okay okay. Well then that's it so Lauren has been tired yet. She has expanded expanded her career. which we're all very proud of you? I got married and I don't think anything else changed besides that cool do you and you live with him now. Lord I mean the Dow a whole year and the whole. Oh Yeah. We'll learn down so regretting every moment of it. Laura's regarding every moment you're not lauren misses US super cute. It's East River dinner all the time. Zahn Komo for dinner. If you'd you'd like to join us for dinner tonight we're GonNa make the fresh pasta. If you'd like to join them I can I can you can. Oh that's on so good. You've a pasta maker. Now Jane policymakers must mazing thing ever. I do very huge career still have not found love in my life But I got to working twice. Yeah you met gala and hosted daily walk motherfuckers. Best Actor winner done. You've I've had the most impressive twenty year wild. Yeah I and I have a new car now so I do all my goodness some really happy but I just want to lose the fifteen pounds and get a boyfriend and dodge drive now. I've never driven a new car. Ever how nice those nice but yeah. I'm excited for twenty twenty. I like the number. I feel like it's going to believe evens. Yeah you guys. I'm very proud of now. Is like nobody has a better job and nobody. I mean but but like as far as well that'd be like truly you do get to interview like a listers on things and I mean you really have achieved ultimate goals. You know. It's funny after I did daily early pop remember. I always wanted to work for E.. You're not sure anymore. And then I think I realized I don't get fulfillment talking about celebrity gossip. Bachelor's like different because bouncers. Yeah no that's exactly how I feel. I liked bachelor different but like no. They asked me to talk. You don't think it is. I don't think it's that much different. Which is why I do it? All the time starving for for like fulfillment in that area too. Because I love doing like indepth interviews and when we do like the I don't when we do the almost most famous interviews and we sit down with somebody for like an hour and a half and they really get to know their soul that means fulfils my my career bank far more than just gossip and I do feel like easy just more of like. Oh we're talking about like hot topics but like I love how you get to sit down and really get to know their thoughts on thin. Yeah it's cool. I think I think I like I like covering movies TV and I hope to do it more in the future and I'm happy that I found this like thing that I really like. Yeah not to say. I wouldn't go on if they call not not to say that. I don't like episodes in depth. That's where when I leave feeling like I did like I work today. I worked in like I feel good about myself and heartbroken also jittery well and Lauren helped me out. We filmed meeting new cities and filmed a heart covered a heartbroken meeting. You weren't here. Oh that's all you're in Iceland. I believe Yeah it comes out tomorrow. UH-HUH UH-HUH I cried did UTAH. I did Oh yeah anyways. I think they're gonNA take it out though. Yeah I hope so it comes out tomorrow Charles. Yeah I can't believe it's been to in some years since I want to the heartbroken meeting. I like sobbed. I just wanted sex. I I know it's crazy. And tears seen it and then you guys got married. Yeah then jared went to Bergen meeting. We can share that but we just offered again but actually did tell me that. If I spent New Year's by myself this year that I would find my person and and she goes inches. It's okay I still think that you have. I really like the one. No okay. Okay guys as well episode should we should. We were up right now. You have some good. I don't get it I mean I do have to ask you guy too much for me to handle I o on past decade podcast. Yeah and I mean you probably so many memories from the decade like how much have view changed since like two hundred you guys. I what Jack has been using my computer later for like the past two years and I had him bring it back here that I could like copy and paste old diary wrote a diary on. I wrote a diary Grad School school years was like two thousand twelve through my last Andrew is two thousand fourteen and I was skimming through them and I truly wanted to kill myself. Why like I really? I really like it was so embarrassing them. Like I can't believe how much of matured over the past decade. I watch myself I. Can you read one for us. Actually there are going to die for this. This message is like twenty three twenty four when I wrote it when I wrote it and it's just like it sounds truly like a four. We always knew that about you. But I don't know if you knew that like like definitely did but every time I wrote in a diary I was like when I look back on this one. It's not gonNA be as little women Joe's thoughts. Yeah there are some entries made more sense than others but I I can't I don't know how you lived with me learn. Oh what do you mean. I was so obsessive and I was delusional to a certain degree. Also like I had enough support in the real world to to show that I wasn't delusional. Because I was reading it and I was like you're fucking crazy and then I was like. Oh Yeah but then that happened as you're you're crazy. Oh you more like you mean like evidence evidence evidence that I wasn't like you are dealt with you between the whole jared saga. This guy was star. Wars Saga of jared and Ashley Right. Yeah every episode Tube. Apparently you weren't i. Didn't I always knew you weren't no because in this diary so what I did. This is my time with big guys. Let's we'll reveal it so I basically copied and pasted my diary of big. Not because like I need to have it invest part of my life but because if I write this chick flick look that I say I'm going to write one day. I want to have like this material. So I'm copying pasting it and I totally lost my journos thought. You're coughing pacing about big. Yeah and you felt like L. so I was reading. My reaction was like my heart was like Oh you know just like I described what my body was going through like my like soul and like my chest and like all the feelings that you have when you're like literally going mad about somebody and then I like reading this. I'm like Fuck Save. You were in Sade. And then I would read because I wrote all the quotes. Let's see I would transcribe our conversations and then I would read the quotes. I'd be like. Oh they're warranted to beat US crazy crazy. I think that's very normal. Feeling even when people talk about like heartbreaking stuff and they're all over it like remember I always talk about the guy I dated and I'm like I can't believe I felt that way about yes that's similar feeling. It's not that it's just like it's love wraps you up in the moment. Sort the thing and I it blinds you away totally. Oh my God. Yeah yeah thicket just but you all have matured on top. Yeah overthinking thinking is like I could also go back to two weeks ago and I was like in a spiral of overthinking. I'm like wow. That was crazy that you thought wrong terrifying the mind. If you just let it keep going going you gotta look in the mirror and be like stop exact like that's crazy. I'm going to take a walk outside. That's not how I wrote in the diary. I go like there was it was. It was New Year's Eve was New Year's Eve turning two thousand two thousand fourteen and turn to Turkey along thirteen. I like just like did like a couple of paragraphs about how is feeling in that moment and how I was wondering wondering how I would feel just a week from then and then I read back a week from that and then I was like I feel better like thinking about what I was like last week is like not night and day but like I am. I'm really glad that I've like gone out of the dark hole that I was in just a week ago right so anyway. It's really fucking crazy and I know I'm GONNA say F F F but diaries are so Kanji Irish great to look back so cool you have them. I wish I would have written down down. I don't I don't have anything. From like jared like from jared I have like an entry from paradise and that was my last Irish. have it recorded on tone. That's L.. Silly yeah I feel like I was. This is gonNA sound really weird but I feel like I was for different people twenties. Now that I'm approaching twenty twenty gonNA turn thirty thirty. I think your twenties are the most transformative decade of life. Like it's crazy when I think of who I was when I lived Warren just going out in La partying all the time. And then I worked on bachelor and that was I wasn't even in. La and I just became a family with this group of people for a two and a half years that some I barely talk to anymore met you then became this person that stayed in all the time then like try to be host. Then that's all they cared about remember and like cried. I need to get this this and now. I'm like a well rounded like fell in love. I've gone through all these experiences and now I'm like okay. This is now's has now. It's so weird you're right. I think if I went to twenty two different people for different people to is crazy lauren. In your last year to people I've allows people to until I really started thinking about it. Yeah yeah that's pretty crazy. Two to four people mine was like my absolutely I lived in my head. Stage of Jonah's LANC young. Just like everything was is. I don't know you know xeres well time. No well. Yeah but you know we should do next year on a podcast. We should before four record. Listen and one of our old podcast and then like literally right. Yes I bet you so many of our opinions of changed about so many anything. Yes okay fun. My twenties was kind of like before heartbreak in heartbreak after that like and then like love happily ever after. Yeah Yeah I love that. That's a great twenty S. You can die tomorrow. Everybody should Ktar. Everybody should be heartbroken. I it was just thing that ever happened to me. My mom has never. I think we've talked about this on the podcast with but like my mom is literally never been heartbroken and her life. She doesn't doesn't even know how that feels. It's truly the most personal growth comes out of her bag. But don't you also morning is kind of like the same thing. It will obviously sleeping the founder of heartbroken anonymous. Yeah it's all it's all pain. It's overwhelming distress. Yeah but I'm not sure that morning is like I mean all of this is someone that's a loss you know your dog dies. It's a laws. Yeah if you lose a job. That's a loss morning as worse. Absolutely I mean it depends it is obviously. I don't know I would argue that being sad over someone that's gone it's still on earth. I was GONNA say that's why that's why I think there might be more growth from like a romantic heartbreak. Because you have to like deal with the fact that that person is in existence and we'll be in your life and then you kind of after does except the other one. I think you can accept the other one mentally. I don't know from somebody who hasn't mourned big lake. Yeah and do you have to create your own closure for almost all of them. Yeah sucks on that somber note. I'M GONNA I'm not gonNA leave on his new one I don't I don't get it. Yeah Yeah I have. Two one is pads versus tampons. I'll never understand he talks. About how long ago was that link to podcasts. So I didn't across off my list. Yeah well memory loss but my but the big one that I didn't address and as its phone keeps going off say Ari now. She's yelling it me. She yelled at you. Know she's a friend. Not My family knows in a way that I'm not gonNA like yell. You WanNa take a knife back do you. Okay okay. Now's is family. But she's friend family. She's not family So I don't get that we will never be able to listen to our own American accents from years of a foreigner. Oh that's a good guy guys. Good I don't get it. We will never or be able to hear what we sound like two other people other cultures other languages but I was talking specifically about the accent like I do we sound as actually as a British accent to British. No I think I don't know I wanNA hear. We should like put it out there. There has to be like something like entertain new guys. Think of would you is think of of the American accent if you will everyone listening in international. Yeah tell us what like. What are the adjectives is it? Is it fine fine. Is it pleasant. Way More tolerable to listen to as a foreigner than a normal American person listening. You know what I mean. Yeah to have an accent you know because like at least with Birdie Bull. It's like they like Kinda say. There were the emphasized some certain things we have some. We have some letters there you know but also there isn't one American accent America. America's like yeah that's true southern earn Baston or the California like Val. I would argue that. We are somewhat valley girl sounding. Well you we yes and I also had an. I don't get it on language. Which was oh you know what I don't get how come I think when we watch movies from back in the Fifties Day spoke so frontier frank? That did that evolve like no. We speak so ugly. Now tell me darling. Everything does has a British hint to it was I. Don't tell no Barbara Walters. I'm like Barbara Walters your voices like not American. So how did we go. Did our parents our grandparents talk like that when they were back in the fifties or did they just was. Is that the way they talked on in movies movies like soap. Yeah Funny Ashley and announcers like tonight you on the show and like I need to know the answer to this. Like did our parents talk like this. When they were with their families in the sixties? I don't you gotta ask your parents mind. Spoke Spanish so will you ask them for me. But I think that they're going to be like you're talking about an who sounded a little more slaying and then there and then ever pick that up and then there was even cooler a person that up and insurance And now our way that's a good point. I bet you when Elvis was elvis people really. Oh I won't talk like him much closer now. Yeah exactly is what about like the fact that the the women just always sounded so light and fluffy and like everything was just like this. I'm so happy I don't talk thank God like Katherine Hepburn. Yeah Oh and then Katherine Hepburn was cool and then we started talking and three of us have voices. On that no the very happy Hanukkah kwanzaa happy new year. We also thank you for listening to is we're mustangs for you. I know thankful was last month but I truly thankful goes everyday through sixty five love you very much bye.

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Football Friday  HS Football returns to STL County this weekend: The Chris Hrabe Show Ep. 4

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Football Friday HS Football returns to STL County this weekend: The Chris Hrabe Show Ep. 4

"Commend. Her. Happy Friday and welcome to the Chris Rabies show on scoops with Danny Mac Dot Com your host Chris Rabi Franek Tober Ninth Edition of the Program Hope you're having a wonderful Friday another gorgeous day in Saint Louis could be a gorgeous weekend. We just keep lucky not with the weather and that's a good thing because we're gonNA have football back in Saint Louis, county high school football this weekend we'll talk about that coming up on the program as schools were able to make their case to return to the field at home within the county limits earlier this week you've got a huge matchup that I'm actually going to be. A part of so talk about that CBC and dismissed tomorrow we're going to visit with both head coaches both Robert steeples former Mizzou star in the head coach of the defending. State. Champ. Dismay. Football Program will also Gentler Scott Pringle the head coach over at CBC. So looking forward to talking to both of those guys as we get ready for a great game tomorrow at noon, it's met we'll hear from David Cuiaba Saint Louis Post dispatch who's been covering the developing story does a great job covering High School Sports Talk Nfl in College Football Friday. So didn't know that we would be spending time talking about high school football. As things have changed within the region. So we will get to some NFL some pick some daily fantasy Ben Heisler sports illustrated. In our next segment and we'll also hear from Ben Frederickson of the Saint Louis Post dispatch should a fun time chatting? Ben, for Ben Fred Friday's last night that's up at scoops with Danny Mac dot com right now and Mizzou. Tigers will be an action against Lsu. Cars are done blizzard done. It could be center stage for drink quits and Mizzou for the next couple of months. So all that coming up the Friday edition of the program, the Cris Ravi show on scoops with Danny Mac. Dot. com. Roll down the windows. Let's have fun. Let's get ready for the weekend and let's go. Welcome and happy Friday. Hope you're having a wonderful day. It's the Chris Rock show on scoops with Danny Mac dot com I'm your host Chris Rabi so high school football will return to Saint Louis County this weekend earlier this week on Monday. Sam. Page announcing that schools would be able to provide their return to play or they're safe play programs to the Saint Louis County Department of Public Health and decisions. would be made if they'd be able to host games on site within the county obviously teams that had been playing football. The last couple of weeks had been having to go outside of the county to do that including CBC who went to Eureka and got a forty two fourteen win in week action last week coming up in our next segment, we'll hear from both head coaches, Scott Pringle of CBC and Robert. steeples of dismay but a little kind of catch up if you haven't heard or been following all of the nuts and bolts of this story, the time line of what has happened in what is allowing football to return this weekend David Quayle covers high school sports for the Saint Louis. Post dispatch is a great job on this story and join me last night. I. Wanted to bounce things off of him. Get his thoughts on the return to play plans that have been put together what has changed the decision that Sam page and his staff made the decisions that they have made under a lot of pressure from a lot of different directions and more this past Monday he announced that the county would be willing to let football go free was the one high school sport. They had cut Lucia boy soccer girls volleyball. Softball were all considered moderate frequency contact sports. They got cut loose a couple of weeks ago. So football was the last one hanging on and on Monday he said if schools that WANNA. Play football submit their plans odds in Saint Louis County Department, Public Health, and those plans are approved. They host football on campus starting this Friday. Well, I mean if if you believe Sam page in that is something I understand a significant portion of Saint Louis County isn't necessarily ready to do. But if he's to be believed, he cited a a lowering number in positivity rates especially among the fifteen to nineteen age group that he had identified as having a higher tolerable, a transmission rate and positivity rate. He also said the rate of testing had gone up and so all the different factors were kind of pointing in the right direction that they'd look good to let this happen. Now in part of their concern at Saint Louis are black health was you know when you go to football games you have large groups of people together. Congregate in all they wanted to make sure that was not part of it. So while football is act this weekend art of the approved plans are limiting spectators. So I know CBC and smack we're going to play. Saturday. Decision making its season debuted. If any classics Champ their archrival from upstream season going come up with them and that's that's GonNa have to spectators her rostered player. So the athletic director to Smet John McCall ahead said. That's GonNa put them about two hundred, eighty total spectators, which is almost a thousand short of capacity over antecedent stadium. So the counties concerned was don't big crowds. We don't want lots of people getting together. We WanNA keep it as minimal as possible, and then let the kids go play because unlike a lot of parts of in Missouri because I mean just to kind. Of Go down the rabbit hole. The other parts of the state are really kinda struggling I mean the numbers are going in the wrong direction Saint Louis. County. And City are going in the better direction because we've had masked mandates we haven't had in-person schooling and all of these different things that now the out state if you will is kind of having to grapple with. Scheduling Football Games used to be a very hard thing to do because they were set so many years in advance, and now every weekend there's at this point at least four or five games that get shuffled around during the course of the week some as late as Friday morning. So, Saint Louis County is in is in a really good place compared to the rest of Missouri, which is why I think the county health department was okay with letting football get loose this week. So we've got football this weekend tomorrow twelve o'clock it will be CBC and dismiss the top two teams in the area and two rivals dismayed obviously last year the class six, a state champions they ended CBS's season and they will go at it at dismay at noon. Tomorrow I'm going to be on the call you can get a CBS's website and watch the game. So if you're not able to get there because there will be a very. Limited. Amount of folks allowed in the building, you'll be able to watch the stream, but they will be back at it tomorrow. So obviously, a lot of implications as we will have football in Saint, Louis County for the first time this year implications because of outside counties and school districts all over the state that have been operating under different rules implications because of you know what a return to play means for student athletes for their families and and what this fall could mean if you know football's able to move forward safely end successfully and what it could mean past that for the rest of sports in a template for how the state operates. Well in the fall and the spring excuse me I mean, when we you know the pandemic kind of started to really gender I, mean I was that Saint Charles West on on the Wednesday CBC was playing Hazelwood central a sectional game in the playoffs, and that was the night Rudy Gobert tested positive in the NBA shutdown which is. At an and that is the moment where the whole country Kinda went. Wait a minute what's going on so That from that point on, we didn't know a lot about anything at that point but the spring season I. Mean Basketball got canceled for class four and five. They didn't get the final four was set but nobody got to go play a mean among the local teams going where you know of Sean and CBC and Shaman on the big schools and the girl side in current word was. On because you know the dominate that way. So they didn't get to go play at state in the entire spring season was not played whatsoever I mean and that you lost a lot of school districts lost graduation I know some of them back into the into the the summertime and either at the stadium or I don't say the Family Rena host graduations, but a lot of the norms we saw. And just kind of accepted as they're always going to be there immediately were in question and and a lot of them did not happen. So coming into the fall, the hope was Geez look at the virus wrestled under control. They talked about Jesus in the summer it'll you know the numbers will go down these things typically don't spike in the summer and that's not what happened whatsoever. The Memorial Day came and went up fourth. Of July came it went up and it and it continued to do that. Labor Day was was very similar. We were Kinda hoping that you know we'll get to Labor Day and things go the right way and actually I I think that's part of what's fueling how out State is fighting is is that Labor Day that Labor Day trend is or the holiday trend is about four weeks after the holiday things go the wrong way. So. Yes. There was a lot of emotion because I mean, the the seniors who were. This year, the seniors, this year's class, the senior class twenty, twenty, one, I mean football players in particular. They didn't get to go to recruiting camps they didn't get to go to college visits. They didn't get to do that normal stuff and it's been a lot of time and effort put into this I mean I mean football is. It's twelve months board. At this point, not everybody is training offseason. Some athletes do wrestling or basketball or they run track in the spring but football if you're not doing something, you can't just show up in August and decide I want to play for Kirk water than Burger Saint Mary's or whoever just can't do that. So a lot of these families and all of these student athletes have put in years of time in anticipation that this year they would be at the peak of their powers. They would be as big as they're going to be a strong are going to be as fast as they're going to be and everybody has hopes and dreams of what they're gonNa do senior year and. When that went off the rails. Just. It just brought a Lotta, frustration and anger, and the fact that the rest of the state was playing. Didn't help didn't help SAM pages case it's going to be interesting to see how it goes because like you said, this weekend things are going to start and we'll see I mean Saint Charles has been playing St. Charles County has been playing football. Last week Lutheran, Saint Charles, shun both Ms Ballgames of the Borgia football team in Franklin County Miss Ballgames, their softball team. This week actually just had to forfeit their post-season as they had a positive cova case in the team has to Orange for two weeks and they can't play. So if you can't play the post season starts those games are forfeited in the regular season they're just considered canceled, but they're not holding up the playoffs. So Games can be played with you can't play because of quarantine issues. It's over Jefferson, counties had several football teams have to go into quarantine as it is considered by its Department of Public Health a red zone for cold uncontrolled community spread. So, Vox Highschool Arnel actually moved its football game last. Friday to Jackson because Jackson doesn't have as many restrictions on spectators were at Fox and Jefferson County health. Department said you can't add visiting spectators. We're going to limit the number of people who can come to a very small number. So. Fox agreed to go to Jackson. So more people play the game. So, even as teams that imparts of the state that are playing. I mean, nobody's gotten a clean bill of health all the way through the number of teams that haven't been able to play because of potential exposure lab, positive tests or opponents who had to just drop out because they had those kinds of things and a replacement opponent couldn't be found I mean that's that's become almost routine. So, while everybody's excited to get back on the field now. It's going to be week seven. So regular season. Missouri weeks seven, eight, nine, and then week ten is the first round of districts which then leads into the bigger playoff bracket. So local teams are going to get this Friday and then what happens after that is anybody's guess because as we've seen the virus knows no bounds doesn't stop at the river and Charles at the top of the river endeavors county. If it shows up in your locker room, you're not going to be playing football very long again big thanks to David Quito from the Saint Louis Post dispatch for joining me and looking forward. To being on the call for CBC and dismissed tomorrow that game at dismiss it will be at twelve o'clock, and if you're not one of the less than three hundred people in the building, you can go to CVS's website and stream the game and hope you enjoy it. Let's take a break when we come back the head coach of the defending state champions dismised Robert steeples. Also, Scott, pringle, the head coach at CBC. We'll chat with both of them to hear what it's been like to have so much uncertainty, and also now the excitement of getting ready to play football the arch rivals going tomorrow at noon Chris Rayvey with you Friday edition of the Chris Rabies show on scoops with Danny Mac, dot com, or back. After this by your way at Lou fuse, you can shop thousands of new vehicles online or in person good fused dot. com to customize your deal by completely online and have your vehicle delivered or comment, and see us by your way and get up to twenty five percent off all twenty twenty vehicles plus more for your trade get twenty, five percent overbook value for all trades. We'll buy your car even if you don't buy from us by your way today at views a big thanks to Lou fuse we are Saint Louis we are Lou fuse. You'll bear spa don't. Burned inside. Back on the Chris Ratio Show Friday edition of the program getting ready for another weekend of football and a lot of excitement is high school football will be returning to Saint Louis County, CBC and. Were going to take their show on the road first game of the year for dismissed defending state champions CBC hit the road last week as they headed to. Eureka, got their first game under their belt, a forty two, fourteen win head coach Scott Pingel says that getting a few of those I out of the way last week was nice as they get set to take on their rivals. And anticipated match et dismiss tomorrow at noon we actually got to play a game. So we kind you almost got back into our call football routine. So that was Kinda Nice I hadn't had to deal with that question for for about a week So so it's been nice to just kinda pretend things we're back normal football season even to the point yesterday guys locate it was hot. I said just remember two weeks ago. You weren't even playing this game so. You know join every moment you're out here. So it definitely felt more normal this week you know the one thing that you probably. Can't do you only have a certain amount of? Influence over is people asking your players and you know people have good intentions. It's it's just like when people would ask me or people around the cardinals or when are you gonNa Start Playing Baseball against? Well, if I knew the answer to that question, you know we'd be in a different position. So what's your message to the team off the field in terms of staying focused dealing with frustration and? Hopefully being able to take advantage of opportunity when it presents itself. Yeah. We definitely use that word opportunity quite a bit and known that always be ready because we never knew what was going to happen. So and then once once August tenth roll around we kind of saw that it wasn't going to happen for a while we dial it back quite a bit. We only went three days a week. And that actually didn't start until the twenty four. So our guys really. You know we have about five weeks preseason but only three days a week sometimes four days a week. So we really just Kinda dial it back because. You know not that these guys need to relearn to football, but we just did not want to burn them out. We didn't want WANNA have over hit each other. So we just Kinda took a slower process to get this ball rolling and is that a learning curve for you and for your coaching staff because you guys I'm sure are adjusting and changing things on the fly how much of that is communication and how much of that is being willing to you know maybe understand that you guys haven't gone through anything like this before it might be uncomfortable at times I you can. You can rely a little bit on experience of just how you feel like your team. You kinda can think about what is my team need and yeah this is unprecedented times but we also know that Friday play football. You don't need six seven weeks to get ready You know they'll be definitely more injuries probably. So we just took approach the we had a lot of communication much to staff met with my captains quite with Kevin's weekly said, okay this war we're thinking this week. How do you think the team's GONNA respond End of the day you know I'm the adult, but they also got a pulse of what their team their teammates need and want. So you know there was a definitely dialogue between me and senior. So it was it was it was an open communication so I learned her this process to. Trust them quite a bit too and give them a little bit more say in how this is GonNa roll did it feel different getting on the field for the first time? Obviously, we're used to maybe some heat delays and different dynamic the weather's been unbelievable but we're not used to start football. You're not used to having your first game as we turn the calendar to. October. So what were the emotions like when you guys finally renewable to compete last week Scott own? Chris Funny at four thirty you know you're kind of we didn't have locked rooms so you're sitting in the end zone like okay. He's still like, okay what's GonNa what's going to be pulled under the rug right now you know how's this going to end right now he still didn't want to believe it at four thirty. Ironic all of a sudden some thunder came out of nowhere. So like Oh, no coming don't try. This is gonNA. Delay US again again now so The emotions was just like one when the ball is kicked off, it was just back to that first game jitters I live in the first game anxiety so Once the game rolled around it was normal but everything leading up to the game was like you know I'm waiting for something bad to happen because I think that's kind of the mantra for the last couple of months. Yeah, and then You get that under your belt. You know that there's a matchup against dismiss looming you know. What kind of test that is, but then no pun intended speaking of tests. There's also an announcement on Monday that schools can submit return to play plans to the public health department. So not only are you preparing for a game but you're I'm sure hopeful that things will go. Well, you don't know for sure where you're going to play what what, what is this week been like? Scott did they keep just piling more and more you guys play A lot of that's been taken off my plate, my admin whether my eight year my principal do a lot of job with the with the you know putting their privilege plan together. Let me let me just eyeball that parliament kind of off the planet went from a Monday Scott Planet fastest a Tuesday your planet met that's really all I had to deal with. So that part's been pretty smooth they they've done a great job of. You know obviously, let me try the football coach when I can be but also know that you know get saying what's going on but they've got a great job for me Scott Give folks just kind of a general idea especially with what the last few months have presented. How would you describe your team but how how would you describe the character of your team and how that translates to what they do on the field? I guess a lot of coaches the word resilient. And and and adversity you know, I, think that we've really tried to stress stress these guys look this. This is a life microcosm what what's out there in his real world you know you never know what's going to happen with your job. You never know what's GonNa Happen with your life. You got to be related to be adaptable. Sweet. We use that word adaptable what a bit through this whole process and then we would always try different. Scenarios about what we're GonNa work on practice whether it be an opponent where work on whether it be a situation were working on. So we were talking about just kind of always be ready for something, and that's kind of what our guys have been like for these last three I actually six months you know we started may twenty fifth the day after a Memorial Day and you know the guys have been great spirits this whole process You know the hardest part was on me. Because these kids are resilient. They don't know any better. They just want to play ball. They'll do be where they're. They're supposed to be in what time we're supposed to be for me. I just never felt like I had good news and has got ironic but I broke the news that we're playing Eureka. I was thinking I had this big moment I was Gonna get this big eruption and everything. But for social media they had already known. So I didn't get to get them excited with. Here game. Man They beat you to it well, we'll finally last thing coach. What do you expect from dismayed? Obviously, the matchup at the end of last year I'm sure that. Game, we use the word emotion going to be a lot of emotions for a lot of different reasons but what an opportunity in and what a test for you guys in the most unpredictable and unlikely of season I guess to this point. Yeah I mean it's it's it's GonNa be a great test for us I definitely know what they got coming back. They got a lot of great talent on both sides of the ball. You know coach is not a great job over there. Really rebuild that program so. I'm excited about playing football and I think fry coach deep say the same thing it's finally excited to get out there and play another game. It just has the US versus met this week We also know this is a regular season game. There's a chance to meet again the postseason. So it has a lot of emotions of has a lot of excitement of playing them on a Saturday we I don't think we ever done that with them before. So that's different noon on a Saturday it's just you know WanNa. Little little. Does a little different, but you know it's just. Chris. I, think you've taken this game for granted as prize coach before kind of like, wow. You take that back. You realize man, this is great that these kids get an opportunity to play and represent their school and represent their families and. You know you kind of lost side of everything. For All the grind that you're done. So this game's just going to be one of excitement our guys get out there and play against the best and see how we fall coach i. think that's perfectly said here's to a great relationship of the week as you prepare to take onto smet Saturday at dismay at. C, B C's website. I'll be on the call game obviously because I won't be able to get out there but we can't wait to get some football going in Saint Louis. Met Scott, the head coach of the CBC. Football program appreciate. The time has always we'll see you. Saturday. Night I, we head down the road now and head over to dismiss where the game will be held tomorrow twelve o'clock, and you can stream the game at CVS's website. If you're not able to get out there, I will be on the call. Robert. Steeples is the head coach at dismay and is the head coach of the defending Missouri six as state champions coach. What's the week been like not only getting ready for the season debut but getting the news that you guys will be able to do it at home? Yeah. I mean we've been day you know here the past few months and You know you know two weeks ago everything seeing final that we weren't going to play. And so you know we were kind of looking towards the spring, and now you use news that we would get to play. is good to how excited are guys off that opportunity but it's also very sobering. Understand. The amount of work that we gotta put in regards to the grind that it takes to be successful at the game football. How balanced the past couple of months coach with obviously the excitement last year of of winning that I'm sure the disappointment that we've all shared with you know basically life as we know it being completely changed to then knowing net your guys need to stay ready not just physically but also mentally as they're dealing with enroll deal with. Trump tower guy you know one player you know no matter how good or bad the previous play was that has no. Bearing on how you approach the next plane in pretty much what happened is that one play at a time mentality of transition to a real life situation and became one day at a time type of mentality where you know no matter how a cloudy you know how much clarity you may lack. In the future they should have no bearing on how you approach the current status in front of you and so you know being state champions. Awesome. Made US appreciate that a lot more You know maybe a good thing that we didn't get the victory parade because it got guys focused on moving forward. But you know at the same time it pretty much one play at the time tally transition to real life situations with one day at a time and you know being. In the middle of pandemic off a lot opportunities unfortunately for you know people that need a little extra support and it was very encouraging to see you know football family step up and support people who impacted by covert and so I. Think I you know I don't WanNa say America just brought us closer together as a team but I think really would was put life into perspective and just the relationships that come from this game of football. Yeah and football is is what you've? Done Robert your whole life have the last few months made you appreciate the game and a different way I. Think all of us have realized that that maybe there were parts of life that we took for granted a little bit It made me appreciate was the relationship the game allowed me to cultivate with my players You find out that you know where you're gonNA find out you go a little deeper into seeing that you can have an impact on each other whether you're on. The field or not, but you know also as a competitor you realize how much they game means to you, and you know so not having those day to day responsibilities that come with preparing for a game somewhat unique but you know it was awesome to spend extra time with my family is getting to be with my wife and my daughter a little more. But also you know seeing young men be so adaptive and so resilient, and so they've been doing that their whole time here. they've been extremely resilient they faced adversity and where did it, and so even though you know the uncertainty with that, challenging on them, seeing them attack it I think is is an opportunity for them to realize that capable even more than they realize you know we heard people saying like I learn a new language during quarantine I wouldn't be surprised if the women of the steeples household could drop some coverage schemes and Maybe call out some coverages now after a couple of months. With you in the House Man. Yeah Yeah You know you know my wife is my best coordinator and the head coach of the House so. Having her around she. She's kind of peace. So definitely was a common grace having our home with me you know and at the same time she also understand is that you know life even better than when football's back. So she's just excited I am so Robert Final thing and again dismayed host CBC tomorrow Saturday at noon if you're not able to get there because it will. Be such limited a -tendance. You can watch the game streaming. We'll put all the information up coach just give us an idea of how you feel going into the game. What kind of a test you expect from you know your rivals and CBC team. You guys know very very well, and what you think the emotions will be like walking out onto that field I mean awesome thing would arrive. Is. No matter where you're at in your season no matter where you and your life when the robbery happens everything else outside of that seems to not matter and everybody's just focused on bringing their best and so I look at this opportunity to just see find out about our team are we ever stepped on the field against anybody other than ourselves and so there's an excitement to see. I'm always excited to see those guys that you know we've been pouring into that maybe didn't have his lawyers role last year that may step up. So exciting seeing that but also just seeing how we responded things as a team See. Me See you gotTA explosive Offense when the best the state you gotTa Physical Defense. So you know open the season with them. We get the found out very early with our team is about but also you know understand early in the season is not gonna be pretty and everything may not be as fall as you hope. But I'm really just looking to see the character reveal the. And you know we're competitive so on and do our best and You know we'll take notes from his name, but I just want to be present in the moment you know Not so much emphasis on on how this impacts US moving forward. But just hey. Let's just take the game for what it's worth because at this point you know we're all aware that you know these things change day by day but let's just thank God that we got this data play football against great rival opponent. Yeah. I'm just excited to to enjoy it will be a great game on a on a gorgeous afternoon dismiss CBC at noon tomorrow coach. Thanks so much have a great rest of your Friday. We'll see you tomorrow at the game I appreciate it Chris. Thank. You. So again, that is tomorrow at noon. Hosting CBC, and I'm excited to be on the com- excited to work with the Cadet student network over at CBC. They do an unbelievable job CBC students put on live events including you know not just sporting events but theater different ceremonies school I've gotten to work with them a couple of times before they're absolute pros, you can go see website or you can go to youtube slash CBC. Youtube CBC. And we'll have the game broadcast for you tomorrow. 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As we talk a little football, we move over to the NFL and welcome and Ben Heisler from sports illustrated dot com slash gambling dot com slash fantasy is where you could go to read Ben Heisler get ready for. DFS Get ready for your picks this weekend Ben along with myself proud graduate of Nutri Township High School North of Chicago Illinois, and here we are now in the state of Missouri hanging out talking football. On a gorgeous Friday October, afternoon brother I've become that guy listen you know I I moved to Kansas, city I was living on the Missouri side. I was cool I was young I was hip was living downtown Then I met a lady she lived in Overland Park on the Kansas side and now I find myself moving further and further back in the suburbs I've progressively just moved away from any sort of coldness that once had before listen buddy I I hate to break this to you but. Listening to you right now, the only people who would think that coolness or hypnonist is measured by a Missouri Kansas. State? Border. Maybe, a little suspicious maybe it's only people that move between the Missouri and Kansas State border, but I know that I'm always wrong I always say. The wrong thing. So we'll just say that You're somewhere in the vicinity of the Midwest and then we won't make any. Kansas City NHS angry about that. In fairness to you you know I tell people where I live I, live in Kansas City Kansas City love talking about the border thing though like they love it they do. Well, they're not I mean the reality of the situation people are genuinely nuts but there's I would imagine there's a bit of a border element in. In Saint Louis. Versus. Yet. But okay here's here's what I feel like in Saint Louis. If you have like a low in a conversation with someone like the thing for people Saint Louis Oh. So like where'd you go to high school like that's the thing in Saint Louis People in. Saint. Louis. Ask. People from Saint Louis I just imagine like you like you know sitting like. At a bar waiting to meet someone and there's a guy next he's like so which side of the border you on. Offense happens because there's still that intensive Kansas Missouri battle that still continues to exist to this day. My my wife has died I. Don't think anybody else cares. They don't they don't I mean I certainly don't like I'm. From Chicago areas of people say what side are you? Honestly? Overly. Defensive Heisler. Maybe it might be a little defensive but maybe it's just because I've been here long enough now that I feel like I have to take aside but you know especially, you ask you ask any tiger mentioned that I that I'm in the Kansas area and then all of a sudden at the some of the maybe once wanted to have a conversation with me now they don't seem particularly interested. Okay. That's fair. Ben Heisler is our guest talking daily fantasy promise. Ben Tell folks what you are doing with sports illustrated and I can read you all over the place. They should follow you on twitter as the best thing Benny Hice H. E. S. but SF DOT com slash gambling. You guys have everything covered I'm looking forward to talking all angles of football. Over. The next few weeks and every single Friday here on the show and you know it's not just picks anymore. It's not just traditional fantasy anymore they are keeping you busy and it seems like there are new games and new showdowns in new aspects of this created almost daily. It's pretty remarkable. Just the fact that you have everything you were partners with with trafficking sportsbook. So we'll write a daily or a weekly article off reach particular showdown matchup. So you know if you're. Paying attention to bears and the bucks from Thursday that's up they're Si for the Sunday night game the Monday night game as well. You have these individual slates which before used to not be allowed as time has progressed you've been able to focus on these singular matchups, and now of course, with APPs of being reversed more states allowing the legalize sports betting. The sort of the intersection of fantasy and gambling has never been closer than it's been before, and there's you know there's different products. You can make that sort of go hand in hand with each other you have your traditional plays, draftkings, Fan Duel, and Yahoo a fan ball in the list goes on and on and on. So we're trying to. Soak up as much of that market is we can crisp. We know that there's a ton of interest in it and we know that there's crossover and that's why fantasy gambling. Yes there different things. But when you combine both together you know I don't make dafs lineup without first looking at different odds and trying to see where the totals of moved in whether or not. There's injuries that are coming to play in vice versa you know if I'm looking at a game I want to find out where lot of the projections are lining up. So these worlds are intersecting and all sorts of unique and fun ways and. I think that's kind of what makes it really unique for us to be working in that same area sl dot com slash fantasy as I dot com slash gambling. That's where you can read Ben Heisler. So from a broad perspective or we're going to start to see by weeks and if we focus on just DFS big picture right now, we have a bit of a sample size through the first handful of weeks we're GONNA see some by weeks give folks an idea of what you're paying attention to what Ben Heisler has learned and is trying to use to his advantage now as we get into the buzz. I think especially, as you're heading into the buys, you're still trying to focus primarily on ups right? Like you're not always going to have your your top level plays always available. But what's Nice about the DFS is that you're not struggling to put your lineup together. You're not trying to reach into the waiver wire try and figure out. Ok. Who can I stream for a week when you're playing DFS Chris like that's sort of your your option in your mission. Every week is I'm looking at the best possible matchup this week at this time only so in. Most weeks I wouldn't be looking at Daniel. Jones as a possible top tier play. But if you look at his price tag across the daily fantasy sites, he's fifty four hundred dollars draftkings. You look at the match up against the Dallas Cowboys secondary that maybe other than Atlanta and Seattle have just been completely decimated and justin crushed especially over the last several weeks to start the season, you look at Daniel Jones in his ability to run and pair them up with somebody like Daria Slayton who's been one of the better air yards receivers in the league. Okay, I have a value play. I have a good streaming option and he allows me by playing him at a quarterback spot where I can save money to go ahead and spend whatever I need to go ahead and roster somebody like a Clyde Edwards Lara of Kansas. City or an Zeki Elliott who comes in at seventy eight hundred bucks draftkings against the New York giants you're always looking for value in. So the by weeks aside it's just playing the match of each every week. And trying to find where that advantage is gonNA come from in which plays correlate with each other. Yeah and I guess finally Benue you mentioned it earlier but give us an idea of from gambling perspective. Maybe a game where the line movement to the total has intrigued you and you're going to keep an eye on that game because even if you haven't pinpointed exactly who you're going to use, you feel confident that it's going to be the type of game that will be beneficial if. Maybe were able to take advantage and stacks of the players. Yeah I'm looking at particularly some of the totals right now are flat out insane across the NFL you have the raiders and the chiefs coming in at fifty five and a half. Total in over. About eight games over five, hundred of the first four weeks of the season scoring in the NFL is up by about five point one points per game I don't know whether it's just sort of an indication of the pandemic or whether breasts have just been told to play a little bit more loose of these penalty calls You're seeing totals that normally were considered to be the high points of last season fifty, one, fifty, two, fifty, two, and a half. Almost feels like it's sort of you know regular average 'cause at this point panthers and Falcons, is a really intriguing game. The Atlanta Falcons are Owen Four. Carolina's coming off a two game winning streak off Falcons desperately need this game. In fact, they've been on the sharp side. The last couple of weeks just haven't been able to come through other than in that game against out. The Eagles in the steelers I actually think is a bit of a sneaky match considering how good Ben Rothlisberger has been at home over the course of his career. The Eagles are not great in the secondary right now, in fact, Juju Smith Schuster Ben Rothlisberger is number one wide receiver in slot has a terrific matchup against the CAL Robie Coleman according to pro football focus one of the better matchups of the week so I think both of these teams can trade points even though the totals coming in at only forty four and a half. So it you're looking at a lot of these totals you're looking at. The movement is coming from. And I think there's a lot of really intriguing plays on the sleep this week but L. Panthers and Falcons is going to be awfully popular I. Think a sneaky play like I mentioned the eagles in the steelers this week giants cowboys, you're GONNA have a lot of action on both sides as well, and then even that Sunday night game vikings and Seahawks to vertical offenses with a total sitting now fifty six and a half that's going to be on the Showdown slate or if you're looking to full Sunday lineup Chris, you're GONNA get a lot of action to try and close it out in the hammer game at night essay, dot com slash fantasy SL, dot com slash gambling, and Bene- follow on twitter at Beni hice follow along and here's to another great week of football man appreciate the time, and let's do it again. Soon appreciate you kind of given us the primer is as we dive into this every Friday. I'm looking forward to this Chris enjoy the the new show on the new opportunity I'm looking forward to being a listener as well as guest and yeah looking forward to this. Thank you brother. We'll talk soon you got it. 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Best Of (Durant's return, LeBron's off-court activism, Packers vs. Eagles, Jordan vs. Barkley)

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Best Of (Durant's return, LeBron's off-court activism, Packers vs. Eagles, Jordan vs. Barkley)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon. Let's go welcome back to undisputed so Kevin. Durant was expected to miss this entire season while recovering from his Achilles injury but with the NBA season potentially returning the later end date. There has been speculation if durant play in February Katie's business partner hinted he might have been ready for the Olympics when they were originally scheduled for July however backtracked in March saying he assumed Katie would not return this year so Shannon if Katie and play how far would the nets go. With probably a shortened season situation skip. I think the biggest thing for them would be chemistry. How did they play without stepping over each other of they have some good pieces? Right now. Dinwiddie cares L- avert a Joe Harris. They have guys that fill nice role. They have some nice role players. Obviously we've K. D. and reworked who come back they would be inserted into the starting lineup. And then you'd have a nice second unit also skip that the hardest thing for me skip is see. How would these guys play together? 'cause basically you'd be throwing them into the fire now we don't know how many regular season games they're gonNA play to finish the regular season now. Are they gonNA play five? Or THEY'RE GONNA play ten. Are they going to get all twenty and then the playoffs star skill? Is he going to be the best? Three out of five. I don't think it'd be go back skill. You remember. They used B two out of three in the first round but maybe three out of five for the first two rows and then the best of seven for the Conference Championship that the NBA Finals. So that would be my concern because rich climate kidneys are business partners. There's something very interesting. He would possibly be able to return for the Olympics that we're going to start in July but then said he didn't really know didn't feel scenario where Katie would return for the regular of regular or the playoff so skip their little concern. They don't want chance this thing. I think that was just wishful thinking. Pilots I I don't really think K. D. would play any Olympics even if the Olympics had were to have gone up in late July twenty twenty so I if could they do some damage yes they might would be the second best team. Or if he's still have the hands full with Milwaukee but I think they could potentially run through everybody else phillies still have some issues going on right now. The third best team would probably be the the Boston Celtics. Might call them to Bob in the Miami Heat but I would say they will be the second best team sick third base no worse than third in the East. I still give Milwaukee a slight edge. I agree with your conclusion. I'm just going off a gut feeling all I've seen heard read in what I know about an Achilles Rehab. I believe he's going to play in abbreviated playoffs. And with his to your point and abbreviated close to the regular season I think he he is a hundred percent healed. Because you know and I know that a whole year's time is plenty of time to heal the Achilles. It's it's dangerous. It's the scariest one of all. It's hard because your calf atrophies you know and you have a hard time getting strength back in the Achilles side leg and yet by all accounts from all the videos that I've seen him post he looks great. I think he's anxious to play. He told the. Us Olympic Team Selection Committee put his name in the hat that he wanted to be considered depending on how his Achilles doing so. That was the first note that encouraged me and then even lately. I've Seen Frank. I sold one of the top. Nba Reporters Report. I think on ESPN. He believes that both Kevin and Kyrie will play in whatever playoffs we have. I saw Brian Windhorst on. Espn say that his. He's leaning toward believing they Kevin play so the point is and the question is what if he in Kyrie dupleix. Why agree with Your Chemistry Angle? Because the only thing that would separate the box then from the nets is just that. Kevin Korea haven't played enough together and they haven't played together with the supporting cast. In to your point. I think to supporting cast is pretty good. Because then we a natural born score then twenty one game now. They're they're thirty and thirty four there in the seven spot. They haven't been very good. They've been mediocre at best but kessle avert he's like a ticking time bomb of the score he roussaly went off for fifty one and then he had a thirty four recently so he can score in bunches and then all we know Joe says he wanted three point shooting contest at the All star weekend. He's he's making forty one percent of his threes. Now he can really shoot it. And then you didn't mention Jared Allen. He's averaging ten rebounds a game and don't forget the Andre Jordan is still there and he's averaging ten rebounds a game those two guys can protect the rim. I still believe Kevin is the best player on the planet. We saw him win back to back finals. Mvp's and then it looked like he was all but on the way to winning another MVP and completely turning around the Toronto series year ago and that happened the Achilles went I the calf than it was the Achilles and you saw a big extended flash of all areas. That's Kevin Durant. Kyrie only played twenty games this year but he was really good in those twenty games. He averaged twenty seven points four and he was making thirty nine point. Four percent of his three-point shots going on forty percent from three. That'll work and he and Kevin you know or oddly. Sort of soulmates. Kevin chose the nets only because CARISSA. Let's go to the nets and Kevin seemed to be like okay where I'll go now. They do have a rapport off the court. Could they establish one on the court? Probably pretty quickly. So I'm with you. That bad team would all sudden look loaded enough. They could release challenged the box to win some kind of a playoff tournament and and then on the other side. We got Lebron versus in the clippers. I don't know I would favor colli slightly in the clippers slightly over Lebron but would you rule out Kevin durant shocking. The world in winning at all I wouldn't. He's too good and he's fresh in. He's he loves KYRI IN AND THEY GET along so great together. I I would not. I wouldn't tell a write off this team. I wouldn't count them out a ride among was killed. He's progressed at three on three. At some point time he's going to have to play five on five he's going have to put himself in a situation where you really push off that lay. He really driving. He's getting up and down the court and the thing is okay when he gets tired. How many minutes are you gonNA play? Is he going to be on a prescription? Are you GonNa play in fifteen twenty twenty-five thirty minutes a nice deal an all that goes into it and came through issue because if they had laid together okay know each other they play together but playing each other four retired skipping the Olympics. Four years ago. It's something entirely different having a guy on your team and tried to and what not only blend that guy in which you've gotta try to blend these other guys as you mentioned. Then we'd have fifty point game carries Liberte heavy fifty point game. Carry Hetty fifty point game this season. We know kate he can get he got. Did A playoff game lasts here the clippers so you got four guide that potentially could go get you go off at any point in time. Again you fifty. The point is skip. Somebody's going to have to be accepting the role of coming up bitch now. I'm starting to feel you must have birthday at a Milan K. Back early I'm showing you what I can do. Then what show is saying. I'm sure what I can do skill. I'm sorry all those guys are not going to be in the starting lineup. Somebody's going to have to say. You know what I gotta swallow my. I'VE GOTTA BE. Somebody's GonNa have to be the weeds civil desk Lou. Williams sacrificed come to bitch and be offense and like I said I would say at worst. At worse case get even with the chemistry issues. Third Best Team in the East right now. Ralston has played really really well. And we know what Milwaukee represent but everybody else could be. Has Anybody else could be had? They got him too. Big To throw at Joel and be the Andre Jordan as you mentioned Alan they control big body. Miami Miami's has to go shoot a bunch of three but would I take them in a five game series over the net especially if Katie. Come back and get some time in the regular season and get some timing now I would. Not all I know is what you've always agreed with. Which is Kevin Durant is seven foot monster with eight foot reach? I've never see he can sit up so high we're about to talk about. You're just a few minutes on the show. We're going to talk about Larry. Bird who shot the ball way back over his head. Will Kevin your way up over his head at seven feet? Tall is literally unbelievable. A when he's on is literally unstoppable. He can also really defense. He can protect the Rim and shocked me in the first big go round with the Warriors Against Lebron. I thought he would crumble under the pressure and expectation and the NBA world on the edge of its seats to watch him fall on his face because he had left Oklahoma City which had a three to one lead on Golden State in join forces with the warriors and yet he rose and shown in game three in Lebron's house in back to back signs. He took those games over. And that's when I sat back and said this guy is really special. I think he is right now. I believe he's eclipse. Lebron is the best player on the planet. He's been out of sight out of mind this year so he isn't even those kind of discussions. But I believe he would bounce back quickly and forcefully and you'll see a rejuvenated Kevin outside of the confines of all the internal squabbling that he was having with draymond obviously in some to some degree with staff in Golden State. I think you'd see a healthy and happy. Kevin excited to play in channel. I gotTa tell you. I'm so starved for basketball. I can't help but the hair standing up on the back of my neck just talking about Kevin Durant back on a basketball court. It would be great for the NBA. It would be great to have any basketball back. I would take the G. League right now but but have Kevin I re- back to back together on a basketball court with games that really mattered. We just snap our fingers while La Playoffs. Let's go I can't wait and again. The Achilles happened in June. He tore it in June so it will be over a year after that happened. I think he would be just fine. Surgery on Achilles gotten better and better. I believe he would be a thousand percent. Okay yes you said that Kevin Durant Kevin Durant is really Unorthodox K. D. Would do what you least expect them to do give. Nobody expected him to side with the warriors until he did. No one really thought he was going to side with the nets until he did it and so him playing would not surprise me because like you said it's been a year the questionnaire skill. How many minutes and how soon is going to pick the three three and let it be full court? Because there's some point shooting joey that thank feel good. You're going to have to push off skew. Yeah you'RE GONNA have to make because remember that's what got it. I agree matey sudden mood and it went. He would I mean he when he was just raising open Schutte. It was bad when he put the ball on the floor and made a sudden move. You saw it rolled up the back of his leg. So with that being said I'm going to see how he progresses the five on five but like I said at worst case scenario there the third best if they come back key. Carrie comes back. I believe they will be the third best team in the east. Not can they gain enough ground and look at the standard before we started? We know they're not catching the not catching Milwaukee Milwaukee. It's too far gone. There's not enough games to go. I don't believe they can catch ball in Boston. Forty plus game. So I don't know but Miami in fairly. Oh y'all could get got definitely could get got Katie Gary recovering back channing. If he got in shape by the time they reached. Let's just say around against Milwaukee. I don't even know which around it might be. But but it's he range shape. He's better than Jaanus. I believe he would outplay. Jaanus on both ends of the floor and really good on both ends. But he's not Kevin Durant so I say on sheer firepower Kevin Inquiry or better than anything. I believe that Milwaukee can throwback Milwaukee's got chemistry unity defensives stability but they don't have Kevin and they don't have Kyri and I would if they're in shape and in sync. I would pick the nets to upset the box. Were scared of that. The Nest do have you know they can build that wall. You've got those big they got Alan. They got George they got K. D. So you just gotta be able to keep us pain or shoot. Three's fourth shoot outside and if you can do that because he coming downhills guilt. He's going to do everything he plasma candor. Euro stepped off the ball. Get out into the. We have easy book if you can keep him out like Toronto did you gotTa to. But if you don't keep that kid away from the basket be dropped thirty five twenty chair make things interesting. If he did return it could get a little basketball back. We're just keeping our fingers crossed. 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We appreciate your voting consideration and now back to the show modesty while the goat debate between Nj and Lebron rages on everywhere and every day Kendrick Perkins said that off the court. There is no debate and the Braun is the greatest of all time in that department Shannon. You mentioned this before. But you bree perk up and we're talking about basketball players. I'm assuming now and I'll go broader in a second. You look at what Lebron has done and is communities the promise school his ability to speak out on issues that normally athletes wouldn't touch especially let's just stick with the NBA. The trayvon Martin it was he started wearing the hoodies. Still big about this trayvon. Martin probably lost his life because he had a Hoodie in all the NBA. Uniforms now have hoodies for just a second. So he's folk out on that we've seen him speak out on other issues we see store for Hillary Clinton. I mean people. Might you know. Take Tom Brady. Tom Brady to make America great hat and tried to paying just a prop. He wouldn't even do. He's want to deny it did when. Jesus told him you go to the ninety three times before the Cox grow. I would never do that. Jesus and showing the home when they came. They all know that mayor. Tom Brady that just a prompt. That ain't nothing. Lebron James Right. I'm on stage. We need to put this woman in office so skip. He's taking chances that other athletes before him would never take it because that brand because it might be Michael Famously said you know the other party by sneakers also so for him to take the stand that he and I think because he's done it. We see other guys. Do we've seen other athletes in basketball. In in other professional sports take a opportunity to save their political affiliation. Take a tweet out where we see. Injustice is going on in our community. We'll see guys tweet that and say what a miscarriage of justice reports guys would not even win fair thing on that for me. It's just hard for me to put so one of head of Muhammad Ali ahead of Jackie Robinson given the Times because you have to realize when Jackie did what he did I think it was forty seven skipped and Ali the sixty skilled in the sixties with a height of the civil rights. It didn't it didn't get any more combustible than that and the man who I'm not going to kill someone that's done nothing to me. When is the people right here? Turning their dog put their waterholes denied me and others. That look like me equal rights civil rights it like. I'm not doing that. What what do what you WANNA do. You want the bills take them. You WanNa take my career take it. But I'm not going still in Jackie Mr Robinson. Having to come up scale when there would be insulted that he had to go through and people would say thing than spit on him and do certain things to wards. It is hard for me to put Lebron in front of them but I think those guys made it easy while abroad because he said there was always the right tire to say and do the right thing and I think it's made it either for the broad but if we're talking about basketball players is hard for me to say someone is been Lebron give you realize Kareem was at the summit. A Cleveland Skill as every college player people really three was there was win. Jim Brown with some of the all time greats. He was there so but I don't think he's. He's been as outspoken on certain issues. Now behind the scenes we know what he he converted to the Muslim faith. But Lebron James Kip. It's not even close. It's not even close and I think that's that's the bad difference between he and right okay. This is deep and complex but allow me to make the point and I think you would agree every opportunity. I've had on this show as critical as I've been Lebron on the court. I have applauded him on the court for the maximum powerful stances taken against racial injustice in social injustice in the I promise. School is legendary to me what he has done off the court. All of that is correct but when army and Kendrick Perkins goes to the point of. It's not even a debate that he is Lebron. Is the goat off the court. Man Perk. Be careful there because Shannon makes strong great points. You're eliminating a lot of history in one name. You didn't invoke that. I want to throw into the mix here. Shannon the Great Bill Russell was also at that summit racking Ali in Cleveland. Yes just remember. Bill Russell was the first black superstar in the NBA and he was. He was breaking through a city of Boston. That did have a racist component to it. Let me just go that far and then build muscle first black. He did. He did bill. Russell I black head coach because he was obviously the player coach for three years of the Celtics so he was even and finally he was a powerful member in force in the black power movement who was constantly outspoken against racism to the all white media in Boston. Well less nets breakthrough man that that is. You're threatening you're very career. Which brings us back to Kareem. He didn't have a loud voice but he had a strong voice. He didn't scream it but he said it softly and he said it powerfully and even went so far to say about Michael Jordan never defended Jordan off the court but he said of Michael Jordan. He chose commerce over conscience. Well that's it. Deep powerful way to say what the truth was and yes we get to Mohammed Ali. And just allow me to come on top of what you said just to amplify a little bit what you said because Ali was my all time favorite athlete in I was growing up in the sixties while he was taking charge in the sixties and he joins the nation of Islam because he did not want to carry on with what he called his slave name. Caches play great and then he chose not to join the military and risk his career. And to your point. Lebron never actually risked his whole career to take a stand right and he said I got no quarrel with them Viet Cong and he didn't and so said I believe in my face so deeply I wanna go fight in Vietnam. I don't believe in an in an all white jury convicted him of draft-dodging and he didn't go to jail but he went into exile. And what did he do cannon for? Three years of his prime could not box. He lost three prime years of earning power and legacy building and he went on tours of America speaking at colleges against the Vietnam War when it was not fashionable to speak out against it may end to campaign against racism in America. It was powerful. This was not fashionable. He didn't have twitter or instagram. He didn't have anybody else on his side from the black community. Doing exactly what? He was athletic. Dr King Right until he was assassinated. Obviously but but the point was Ali was breaking ground and losing. He lost his career for three long years and then came back with a fury since Ational to watch. But yeah you're right. Even Colin Capture Nick. If I can bring it up to Contemporary Times Colin risked his career in any longest. It take a stand right so many great things as Lebron has done. He hasn't gone to the point of having to risk not having basketball anymore. And I'm not trying to diminish any way shape or form what Lebron has done but man. That's that's powerful when you're going to risk every rain to take a stand that that's when you put your money where your mouth is and those people just because yeah you have to understand that when guys when he did what he did. Mohammed Ali was very unpopular. He was even popular in the black community because there were other black men that had of the draft and they had to go fight fight he was not park agreed even even like Dr is holly comes skill. I think the thing for me. I think it really changed from Hamad Ali and he done great when people saw him like the torch in Atlanta in nineteen ninety six. He was no longer. The Guy that was quick witted skip. It had all those get into the bourboule jar matches it have everybody laugh of make everybody laugh. They looked at him and said what this man endured torch. That's what this is about now. All of a sudden he became a sympathetic figures because at the time he was castigated. Nobody was talking about Muhammad Ali in the term. Nobody thought I guarantee you? Muhammad Ali probably have you probably ask if White Lodhi a gum? Hollis think he would be what he became later in life. It will be interesting to hear what when he was doing what he was doing. Did he did he? He would become this beloved figure. I can assure you doctor king had no idea he was gonNA become beloved because everybody even people that were him quoting now at the famed thing. Ali. Lebron is unbelievable. I don't know if we've seen an athlete. This big obviously skilled. Because now you have all these media platform so don't ask it. We forgot about our hash. We forgot about him would imply what he went through was killed. Lebron James as far get ball at now in today's time. Yes it's hard for me to see bigger than he is taking a more outspoken stance. I got it. Can I please add one more named the list? I don't remember Craig. Hodges I know you do Shannon because he Michael Jordan on his first two championship teams in three years ago. Craig Hodges wrote a book called the triumphs and struggles of an NBA freedom fighter in ninety one before Michael played in his first finals against magic. Because of the Rodney King beating here in the La area at the hands of four white police officers. Craig Hodges encouraged Michael and Magic to boycott game one of the finals take a stand for the black community and racial injustice social injustice and he says in the book that Michael Just flat out told him that's crazy and that magic told him that's just too extreme and Craig said his response was what's happening to the black community right now is very extreme and because of outspoken stances against Michael and the League after another year and one more championship. He basically got as you call it white ball from the league and his career was over at age. Thirty two and remember. He's one of the greatest three point shooter ever. He won three straight three point contest at all star weekend. So there's another name of a guy who risked his career make statement. He wasn't a star but he risked it all remember. He said that he actually tried to give. If I'm not mistaken I forget what it forget. Who the president. Whether the time it might have been ninety-one ninety-two have been first. Bush Bush Bush. You're the first he tried to because remember everybody says well it instead of just being so lousy? Why don't you go sit down with the president and try to talk to him? He said I did is try to take him but skill having I didn't go but they tell you what you can and can't do. You are not to pass anything. You're not to have any isolated conversation. So they live all that in the bud so this notion will take something and and talk to the President. That's not happening is a photo op. That's what you're going there for. Take the picture get up out of there because normally they got like five or six other groups coming in to take photo offs also. So they're not is great right but I agree Craig. Hodges and he had he had some very outspoken things to say about Mike. Yeah in remember. When he went to the White House after the first championship he wore a sheiky to make that statement. How powerful discussion guys? Good stuff all around from both of you. Nfl DOT COM. How vulnerable each division champ was coming into this season the packers took the top spot despite going thirteen and three and reaching the NFC championship game right behind. Green Bay two Worthy Eagles competitiveness of the NFC so Shannon. Do you agree with this? New UTOPIA LOW TAB. I know Gila every I go back to the Super Bowl I. As seven years of age he was the one that built the cowboys team. He drafted Bob. Lilly Michael Irvin random. Why all those great so? Bill resumes impeccable skill. But I think the thing for me when I look at it. I can see Green Bay and it's not because of what happens on the field. I think they got some turmoil. Routes I think they created something that didn't need to be created and I think it's going to be a problem and in each one of these teams. There's only one team I really think when you look at. I think it's Minnesota. I don't think Green Bay Chicago. I don't think betray. What if a thread Philly? I think you only threat is the cowboy cowboy with you already know what. Y'All GonNa do. I ATE IT. Breaks my heart to know that you're going to be disappointed again. You think like this but I really don't because when you hurt I hurt and when you're hurt I'm hurting but I'm laughing SORTA get in front of you. You I think is Green Bay skill because I think what transpired within them moving up to take join love skip. I think they created a problem. I really do and I think it's GonNa have a rippling effect throughout that team and I can see. Yeah so I do agree with deals. Lift number one but fairly division. Okay let me take them one at a time. Green Bay was fluky last year. I'm still hearing how Green Bay went thirteen and three and got to the NFC championship game. With what was the fifteenth? Best offense the Fifteenth Best Point scored last year. They did have a surprisingly good. Defense finished ninth in points allowed so it was a top ten defense sort of out of left field out of nowhere. But how many Mondays did we come in and say we're not sure how. Green Bay won that game or that one or that one. Aaron Rodgers had his career worse. Qbr and is career worst. Completion percentage those ranked eighteenth and twenty first among quarterbacks respectively. And I thought Aaron Jones was actually more valuable last year than Aaron Rodgers pros loss August ranked him fifth of the running backs. But I still say it was mostly the turnover differential. They were tied for third. That got them through the night in tilted the playing field occasionally in their favor when it didn't deserve to be again Sluki. Do I trust Kirk cousins? Not Exactly Fox. Bed has both these teams over under on Wednesday at nine so they both look like nine and seven ish kind of teams soda. How to a better draft? I liked the first two SA Jefferson. I like Jeff gladly a lot out of TCU. I think those are two good first round picks and you're right air and now has an issue hanging over his head and shoulder pads. Do they really want this kid to play sooner than later? Which brings me to another quarterback controversy in self inflicted in Philadelphia. They draft Jalen hers. Yes I think it's going to be hard on Carson Wentz. I just think on paper Dallas just got better. It's close but they the cowboys got better. They have a better head coach. They had a better draft because I think they had the best draft. They they stole CD. Lamb the first round. They added pieces on defense draft and free agency. It just got better. I'm sorry did and they. They went out and signed a top five kicker. In place of the worst kicker in football last year Brett law her Brenton mauled who who had the worst stats in the league and cost them. I believe two games and they win eight so they could have been ten and six. I give Dallas the edge now. I'm going to sum this up by saying the most likely to fall out of the top spot is the one gillibrand picked at number four. I believe the Patriots are ripe to fall and Shannon Sharpe guess. What team plays the toughest schedule next year? Oft Records from last year New England does very New England got worse they lost Brady. They obviously have the Gronkowski. I just I kept waiting for Bell. Check to do something in free agency and something in the draft and he did next to nothing they are going forward with. Jared stood him in place of Tom. Brady. Are you kidding me? I think they're going to be lucky to finish eight. Nate Buffalo is better on paper. Miami is better nail. Miami had a very good draft. Enter Terrific Free Agency and again Ryan. Fitzpatrick got hot at the end of the year. He beat the Eagles he won at Foxboro he went. Adr's against bell checks defense to win the game in the last two minutes in Foxborough. So could they be better? They could be better. The jets are still the jets. I'm sorry but they are but when I look at the schedule I'm looking at Non Division Games for the Patriots next year. The Away Games. They have to go to. Houston go to Kansas City. Go to both. La's big cross country trips. Go to Seattle in at home. They have to deal with Baltimore and San Francisco on top of the Buffalo Games in the Miami Games. They're to be lucky to finish eight I to me. They're not going to win the division. So I'd say the best odds to fall. I would put it on the Patriots give. I think the biggest that just goes to show you the number one reason why he didn't put the Middle One with coach Belichick. I think the thing is he's looking at it. Do I Trust Sean McDermott. Do I trust the coach at Miami? Bryant floor is is he basically said I trust coach Bela check and that depleted offense. Okay more so than other coaches even though they upgraded their entire team. And so. That's the way I'm looking at it but I look at. Philly's kill they're gonNA get Elaine Johnson Bag. Who MISSED THE LAST MONTH? They'll get DJ. Who Miss Basically all of last year they get Alshon back. They traded for good when they traded for they drew the trade. They drafted jalen rigor skin. I believe they're going to be better. The a tackle that they selected last year I route. He feels in for Jason Peter out believe they're going to be better last year. So yeah they got this one in the bag. Nfc He's going to my shirt. I won't go to give me an eagles shared already ten twenty twenty. Maybe any money got it already starting quarterback who is in jail. Dr Owner Jalen hurts. GonNa take us who. You're starting quarterback dated on Andy Dalton. Ask Playoff win okay. Ten and six didn't six. I really hope I really hope down. Okay you told me the musket. Oh he's Naida rare rival with him to New England he was the musket now. He'd read riot gear but watching. Okay Dax watching bid that UCI. Quick turn on you hope you watch. Yeah get it done. Get it done first thing. I thought about when Jalen hurts into the eagles was how a handle this because that is seriously when I was thinking about Charles Barkley said despite being a longtime friend of Michael Jordan's he doesn't see the two of them reconciling anytime soon Barkley said that. Mj took offence to his critical comments about Jordan conducted himself as GM. Berkeley said the comments were made as an analyst nearly a decade ago and that. Mj has his number. If you ever wanted to talk so shannon do you have a problem with Michael Jordan refusing to make peace with Charles Barkley? You should have a problem with it. 'cause you handle problem with him now. Maybe you had a problem with that. Rescue skill is tough and this is what I tell people you get into this business and a lot of times. It's hard for people skills because that means you're going to have to criticize guys you played with and you played against is not willing to do that out of willing to do that from the jaw hotel. I'm going to call it like it and I've had God like man brought you bro. I got a job to do you do your job. You make my job easier. You don't do your job. You still make job easy. 'cause I'm GonNa tell it like I see it skill and that's the hardest part about being being a professional athlete because we don't like to hear that we've done something wrong. We've said something wrong in. That's why I consider myself very fortunate but I've always had three of the. Tell me what I need to know. Not what I wanted to hear and Michael. He can't he can't eat. You gotTa tell him what he wants to hear. You gotTa Tell Them Unbelievable Job Bra. The not the lack of success you're having in Charlotte but shaw. There's nothing you can do. You have a job. You have a responsibility to do. You did your job. Every year remembers give. I told you be no freedom without forgiveness. I'm sorry okay. I do have some sympathy for Charles. Barkley here and I agree with your point. You do do your job the right way. You do it objectively on players that you played with and against loved that about you and I liked that about Charles. He made a tough love comment about his dear friend Michael Jordan that ended their relationship because he went inside behind. The scenes and said was the comment. Let me get it exactly here. You've got quit hiring. Stop Hiring Them. Kiss asses is the way he put it. Okay I've told you from the start. Michael Jordan was the greatest for former. I ever saw in any sport but some of the things that drove him were not pretty. And you're not going to get me to condemn him here today for. What made him great. Yes he was ruthless. Yes he was. Har Less yes. He took no prisoners and he constantly was feuding. Or beefing with this guy or that guy and sometimes he's Savak aided just fuel him. That's what he was made up of. And if you were in his inner circle and you dared to cross him you were crossed permanently off that list. There's no forgiveness in Michael Jeffrey Jordan. That's what made him great. Because he played without remorse without compunction he did not care. He was cold blooded. All that mattered was win at any cost. He wouldn't cheat but at any emotional cost. He was going to beat you right in the point here is that do. I love it out away from basketball. What he did to Charles No. I don't love it but it is vintage authentic Michael Jordan so. I'm sorry in by the way quick. Comment on Charles's comment. I don't believe they're hiring. Kiss ASSES IS WHY. Michael has been the worst in the history of basketball. And I've often called him that again. I'm not objective about Michael Jordan. But I am about Jordan. The GM is pathetic picker of players judge of talent. And it's not because he surrounded himself with sycophants and quote unquote friends. It's because he just doesn't have a great seal for what works in players. Who weren't as good as him he he keeps saying. I'm Jordan. Why can't you be as good as as I was? We're sorry we came right. So He's been the owner operator the Charlotte Franchise for thirteen years. They've made the playoffs four times and never won a playoff series in the NBA. Where seems like half the teams make the postseason so so again? You can't defend it but I will defend Michael for just being Michael. It's not pretty. It's kind of ugly but in some total it made for the greatest player performer in the history of sports. I've never seen anything like Michael Jordan and this was why and Shannon I witnessed Tim Stabber Kate. Huge one night with Sean Leonard. The heat in January of the last dance here. Ninety eight Sean. Leonard's He'd had taken apart the Bulls in Miami. It was ninety. Two seventy two and the return match was in February at the United Center in some L. Michael decided that it was vis Sean who had off in Miami and I don't think he had so every free throw Miami shot that night every free throw Miami shot that was. Sean went back to back on defense and standard too. Far frito line. Michael didn't by his face in the lane for for the Bulls. He went back with the. Sean leaned over and trash talked in his ear every free. Throw that Miami shot and basically told him you know what and how d you think. You can guard me. And he torched for Sean Leonard for thirty seven points. Well that's just Jordan. It was ruthless. It was heartless it was actually just wrong. But that's who he was and that's why he was scared if I'm if we're friends and you tell me something that you believe is for my best interest. I'm not GonNa say let's give him. You divulge a secret something that only my closest friends. No Yeah I'm doing forgive you we just not gonna be on that level of France. I'm go my way you go your way but I think a Barkley offering an honest assessment. But why he thinks Michael is not as successful every general manager as he was as a player. I don't think that's grounds for him to like knock. You never speak you get. How dare you criticize Bra? I go to jail you if you just laid about thirteen. Fourteen years. Four playoff appearances. Never getting out of the rump. All these players think about everybody that you draft the buzz buzz buzz buzz bus. The only guy that wasn't the buses Kemba Walker. And because you're such a small market you can't give him X. dollars but if you look at all the the guys group Adam Adam Morrison then all these other guys killed more. Bus is as the simplest dash is so skip the greater the player. I believe the great of the player the harder deal for them to pick the talent because he's like why can't you do? It was either for me. Yeah that's why you were an all time great because you made it look easy. Everybody can do that online.

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Jock Talk with Pablo Morales

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Jock Talk with Pablo Morales

"Originating from our Jimmy Johns of Lexington studios. This is jock talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka on the horse racing radio network at intimate in-depth discussion with the best jockeys in thoroughbred racing. My five year old mareo Gutierrez who thug cutting one. Title sex other Spinoza Calvo in the ride in the of. Gary Stevens three practices of Brennan writes, Calvin Brown up the inside under Johnny Velazquez, take it Jiang. Mommy and in Brown coming up that an Rushdie barrage aboard graphing field here. Reading by hobby. Kosta Llano scintillating Sunday Rafael day. Geraldo. Now, here's Christina McMahon ago. Hello, again, everyone and welcome to John talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka right here on the horse racing radio network. I'm your host retired jockey Christina McMahon manacle, and I'm joining you tonight from our Jimmy Johns of Lexington Kentucky studio I'd like to thank everyone listening tonight on Sirius to nineteen XM to one. And also to those of you listening to our website at horse racing radio dot net. So portion of the proceeds from this show go to the permanently disabled jockeys fund, the P D J F provides financial assistance to some sixty riders who have suffered devastating on track injuries. If you're able to help please visit their website at WWW dot P, D, J, F dot ORG. So our guest tonight. He grew up in Peru, attended the infamous jockey school in his native country and hails from an accomplished racing family. His first year riding in the states. He won the greed to super derby with the daddy. He recently guided well-defined to an upset victory in the grade three. Sam FDA is at Tampa earlier this month. Earning him, ten points towards the Kentucky Derby with one thousand seven hundred fifty winds in over thirty million dollars earnings and counting. It's a pleasure to introduce jockey Pablo. Morales Pablo welcome to the show very much. Thank you for having me Pablo you have to be on top of the world right now in pretty excited after that Sam f Davis victory aboard while define now, if my research proves to be correct that was actually a first time riding the horse. Yet. It was I I'm riding horse. I think something happened with. Still or at least a what the writer were asking for it. I having another mount so I've been doing fairly well for coffee Akon on she consider they decided to put me on the horse just thankful that they did. Not only that. But also first time wearing blinkers for the horse which worked out. Well, obviously he took to those. What are your instructions in the paddock baba? We're gonna be for really place. He has a lot of not drill speed. And he had a blinkers on that clear outside post when you the horse like to be up front, so we just decided to come. They're running hoping to make delete. Hopefully, just hang on actually going into the lead in pretty decent. Fractions not to five and that when when I asked him the second term, the horse had some left he kept right on going. Obviously, he's still pretty young at this point. Pablo? Do you think he's a horse that's going to continue to grow and learn as he continues to run what was your feel from him was he immature still still young? Or what did I think he's gonna improve? He's still little bit of nervous or it gets a little ASI. And I think that's the reason why he's going to leave. But I think a goes along he's gonna get more mature he's going to get more confident less nervous. And I think he's going to play a even better performance in the future. Do you know what's next for the horse? Do the trainer last week? And they were of you're considering derby, which seems like the next forward. Well, we will be watching Pablo and good luck. There. That's exciting to possibly, you know, hopefully, all goes, well, get a horse in the derby have you ever ridden in the derby before? Her half, I took healed. So a while back, but never been to Kentucky. They're definitely would be a great experiences. If it does happen. Who'd you ride in the Kentucky oaks. It was a lone time extra about way when I really game or it was the same trainer in our that. I went to the CNN super heavy. What was that experience like for you? Obviously, you were still I think what seventeen maybe when you were a bug say you're seventeen you're basically kid and come into the biggest weekend in in racing to Turgeau downs. The right in the Kentucky oaks that had to be an incredible experience. Yeah, it was pretty real. I was pretty lost. My wish even though it was pretty decent after a year being into states. You wasn't died. Good are just had nobody that are really Kentucky. So I remember just I think the owner job of tracking to like an hour into Joxer there were two people there. So it was a letter nerve wracking. But definitely pretty cool. I remember going out of the track. It is the mesmerized by the crowd. I just kept looking towards the crowd. I just couldn't believe that. I was there. It's amazing. And like I said, hopefully, we see you there again. Then this year Pablo but let's take a second. Now. Take a step back. You're from Peru. Your family, you're basically born into a racing family. I know you have racing in your blood. Tell us about your family, and what it was like growing up in Peru. My grandfather was a jockey G what's from Chile and he moved to contract when my dad was only nine years. So the him his wife, my grandmother Kinney's kids, my dad and uncle they moved to Peru. When my daughter was only a kid, and they right away move into the track because the researchers are older barns have a house of yet of it. So about pretty much where my dad grew up. I grew up literally divine when he was became a jockey. Then my bra. His songs. Also, everybody wants racetracks, I wasn't the last one of five kids. So I was born when everybody was kind of older ready. But from they weren't like I was born. My my daughter was a trainer. So we're we're constantly under racetrack. Cousinly going to the mine in the morning. My my grandmother was an ally that yet anymore, but my grandfather still lifted that safe house at the end of the bar. So we were there all the time like five days, a legalese will be there versus writing little little. But by it was pretty good. I got definitely let advantage of the fact that I had so much access to horses and teachers everywhere. Near surounded by it, definitely no one of five kids. And you said you're the youngest. What was that like growing up where they were you like is a family where they kind of picking on you, or they bullies. Or did they kind of show you the ropes on the barn? No. It was actually really really nice. Because my my two older sisters were like around twenty or nineteen years old. And my brothers were fifteen twelve. So I would be actually it was everybody wanted like anything close to if anything when I became a little bit older for save nineteen eleven twelve ever where. My sister were working. So that will take care of me pretty. Now, do you? Remember the first time you sat on the back of a horse. Not really because I was a new board. I mean, I have that. I cannot even sit up straight, and I'm already couple who are. But I remember a kind of making up my mind. It was also normal to be I've always would say, I was going to be a jockey. When I grew up just because that's what I was always thought, I would be but the desire of really putting together and say, that's it. I'm doing and just pretty much getting first set of bullets and my helmet. My bass was when I took a trip to go through impart when I was eleven or twelve and I seem to the championship median on the winter meeting, and I see all this writers and all the crowd and everything. And I said, I always thought it was going to be adopted for ru 'cause none of my family has ever read in their reading here, but not rarely just sitting went back. But I I decided there I gotta be in for whatever it takes to become a jock in the United States and. And as soon as I got back. I just start working star galloping versus a little by little star. Learn more and more putting together joining the judge school for a little, and that's it. There is three history problem jonky Pablo Morales. Joining tonight on jock talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka right here on the horse racing radio network. So Pablo what's it like galloping horses imperil and working at the track? There did they train any differently and Peru versus the states. I don't think. So I think everything is pretty similar the only difference that I can recall quickly as I remember just all the jockeys and trainers and Gallo, boys. Everybody's always standing by the track somewhere, the backside but everybody sending almost by the rail the room, moose and the workers bring the horses ready intact. So you just pretty much jump on them and go straight into the track. And I remember you can get in so many horses were like that. And there's also a truck right next to the main truck twos. Or usually the bug voice are more often and the train track. But other than that everything is pretty similar. I'm sure getting on so many horses in the morning. You learn pretty quickly for you. I'm sharing came pretty natural. You started out as a newborn? Yeah. It took me a little because I never really even though I was getting courses I was kind of boring the racetrack. I never went to a farm or anything I was already writing race horses. And that was really small those twelve twelve thirteen fourteen years old. I was really small. I look like seven I have one of my body. So he was a little bit harder for me. But it believe it or not it was something a discourage because I had horses run off or I get falling off. 'cause I was just so little so weak. But I do not let that stop me. I kinda would would even a little bit of fear. I just kept them going going. I knew what I wanted to do. So I just kept that gets to live a little became easier easier. And then before you know, it I was bracing worse if coming out of the gate and against doing pretty good. I mean, I had the constant teaches of my dad, and my uncle and my brothers. Some I started getting more and more comfortable. To the point where I I started writing. When you attended the jockey school there in Lima, Peru as well. And what what does that program like? The verb is really nice actually helps a lot. There's a lot of kids there that don't have the resources or anything. Everything's free. They give you food and everything they pretty much conditioned. You physically a lot. There's a lot of work out a lot of resistance a lot of jogging a lot of list lifting lie wage, but just getting or your your core and your legs and your Armstrong and giving you advice about raising a little bit on every Sunday. I think if I'm not mistaken, they will take us to the grandson in a little area there needed for kids that are jug school Joe. So we can watch the races leave a lease. I think it was like six races. We had to sit there and watch and talk about it. The only thing that I did not do what's graduate from that school? I actually left a little bit before because lily there were making a little bit complicated for new book started writing in for room and make it a little difficult to your relief favors for you to travel to the United States who were asking for a little bit too much money for you to get out of it, and that's becoming issued. And I'll have a lot of big writers are here in the states like our produ her. I don't kind of fighting with the. With the race regen movie because they're making it really difficult for some writers to come here. Asking for too much money and give them their release or papers that they be neat in order to get their work visa. So since I knew that was kinda coming, and I had a lot of fulfilling is a lot of help coming to the United States some people already right before I graduate or a few months for graduated. I went to right in our smaller, truck and Peru getting my paper, so a professional apprentice, I guess you call it. And with those papers was able to my visa and travel to stay. A red Pablo that that small racetrack. You mentioned in a no I'm going to butcher the name. Eric cuiaba? R Akiba are keep there we go. That's better. I heard it was a long bus drive to get there. And you know, obviously as young fifteen year old apprentice at the time, he probably nervous, but you won your very first race. You wrote is that true. I ruined was really cool. Actually, some of my family were able to travel there before that. I was going to write my first race. I was. The loan for my first win family members. Where there to celebrate it. That's fantastic. The first race ever every jockey's dream, right? And and many many more to follow. Obviously. Now, I heard that your mother wanted you to finish school. However after those first few races. I ended up writing two weeks there. And then I left because they're mad lease up for finishing my my school year. So right back to school, and I had like thirty list. So after that, I have the blessing. There there. I left and finished school, but Nevada chomping at the bit. Waiting to get out of class. You could go variety basis. In the mornings and going there every morning because I happened to after. It's after school that started on twelve thirty pm. I was able to drink in the morning gallop. A Kibble earning was still pretty green. I was just so excited. But I just had to keep learning, obviously. Now at that point. When you first started out riding races. Was there anything you struggled with early on that it took a while? Feeder really get I mean for me personally, it was switching sticks. You know? Finally, I got it. And was there anything he struggled with? Of course. Yes. I did. I I actually wish that a little. Be sixteen years. And even know why I have heard that. I looked really good. I could finish really good. I switch stakes. Really good. I knew that. I did not have the streets, or when the horses complicated was really strong. And I remember writing you work in Belmont against Jerry bay. You know, this guy's right into this muster forces for like, Bobby Frankel or and and Alan jarecki's there were dot easy. And I literally wait funded and five pound, and I was struggling a little bit controllers move this horses, especially on the grounds racist this big field. Here. I am hiding me when my saddle weighs fifteen pounds. And and that's where I wish I would just like in a couple of years to roll up a little bit. I even though with sixteen seventeen years. So I was extremely young looking. I looked like I was I still really young. Even now that I'm sorry, people still can't believe I'm thirty if you can imagine. Then I looked like I was twelve from. Ugly. So Pablo after you finish school, then you were ready to come to the states and start your professional career here in the United States was that you talked about the paperwork and the whole process with the jockey school that was going to be a little bit more complicated than what you wanted to deal with was it still hard, however, getting all of that paperwork finished. No, I was I was pretty blessed. People have a lot of problems not problems delays and everything, but I actually got really really lucky with everything my work visa teaming super-quick after few years of my resident kings super-quick. And now just last year. I applied for citizenship. Again, I got it right away. So I'm extremely thankful because I was really with it could a lot of people have setbacks and little things here and there where it gets a little complicated. But I haven't had any problems with my papers thing from day one. Thank and citizenship. Congratulations on that. That's exciting for sure. And and when he first arrived here to the states was a bit overwhelming for you as a as a young, man. I was a little bit nervous. I lived with my parents life, obviously. And especially going to New York and New York is definitely know what I was acting up. They're seeing Miami. And I remember leaving a basement and really barely any money on me. So it wasn't little nerve racking. I wasn't too. Sure about anything. My English wasn't very good either. Again, no money barely. But thing God, I will say to start winning fairly quick. And once I you know, I got money. I got a little bit of money on me. I coulda I brought my brother a long lease. So he he's a gala. Boy, he was he was actually hoping Miami that time so I made and moved to New York with me, I was still really young. So I definitely needed somebody who. Yeah. I heard prior to that you're living with the Cornelio Velasquez. Yeah. That was a for about a m- a month that we I went to sir toga to just to brief horses in the morning. I wasn't. I was I was going to start writing on opening day inbound one, but I went to third till got to kind of keep getting star getting fit again, and and meeting people meeting trainers and Cornelio Velasquez open the door to his house. And that's why stay with for about a month. What was it like living with him in in? Did he help you in any way with your career? Absolutely. We were both have the same age. And it was definitely I first of all it was really awesome. Alaska's took mean, we are not from the same country. He does not know my family. He does not know me all he knew that we had the same agent. And my agent was going to have me leave in. Dismount trailer that he had. So he said when he found out he was a no if you come with me, this house three bedrooms, you can stay with me. We both speak Spanish, you can come to work with me. You can come to the racist women, and it was like unbelievable of somebody just wanting to help you like that without knowing you, and he grew fond of me he thought it was really funny. And and we'll begin friends like that. Even though we had a a big age difference. Druggy? Pablo morale is joining me tonight on junk talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka right here on the horse racing radio network. And Pablo even before going to New York you had a. Reality check, I guess in in the dangers of the sport you actually cracked your skull prior to riding up there. And what happens? I had a war. When I when I crack my school had a again, that's where I was saying. I wish I would have waited a little bit more at least a year or two just to get stronger physically. I think I've been developed yet much muscles. No matter how hard I worked. I was just so small though matter how much aid that this was just extremely strong. He started getting out on me and the first turn, and he just going out and out and out in the grass when I got all the way to the outside. I was having I could not really control him and he ducked from underneath me for a little bit. And I just lost my balance. How long did it take to recover from that? It took me like I wanna say four months or three or four months before. I started getting I was right back on a horse. That's when I actually traveled to sir that just start getting fit again after three months of being out. This accident happened in Miami. Did you have any kind of hesitation of getting back on a horse again after such a serious injury? So early on in your career. Oh, not at all. If anything I was way more excited excited to star. Because I knew my my comeback was going to be in the big leagues. High was going to go to New York. I had a Richard path of sided contacted me about taking New York. And I mean, this is a big time agent. I'm going to the big time track. Whatever we're all good jockey, are I just cannot wait for a funny thing. I would have wrote the next day if I could. Any other serious injuries? You've suffered throughout your career for. Yes. I had a broken shoulder in the worst one was I had out five, compression, fractures. When my verte writes, I had a horse kind of Louis footing and do a somersault and in a work. But thank God. I'm okay. I mean, doesn't really bother me. Thank goodness. And Pablo let's talk about a high. No, we talked about the low. Now, the high you in your first year here in the states. You won the grade two super derby with the daddy. And that was again pretty early on. How did you get that? Mt. It was my coincidence to was to brief my agent. Honey, breathing a lot of horses get fit whether I were ride him or not in the afternoon. I would breeze some of Cornelio Alaska's horses when he was busy. So I ended up briefing this horse, and he was use a classes of classy as they come and super easy was like perfect meal. Go my goodness. This is a monster. He's so easy to ride. I was just so happy. So they had like two or three times because just just because Cornelie was gonna write it. But of course, was so easy going that that did not buying me have in working. And I remember they decided to go into this big race and for the super thirty and happened to be in the same day of big. They're racing belvoir and couldn't live after a lot of compromise. Lot of. This as in Belmont. And they decided to stay my agent pretty much put into table if they would consider taking meat since I got along with the horse. So well, and they just they said, yes, when they told me about it, it didn't really process when the I never in any big racist. I was really young again, my English wasn't that good. So be was gonna write a steak somewhere else us pretty much put me in a plane and. In a hotel to jog through. I wrote a raise. I wanted went right back to the juncture, man. I just was extremely unsure of what had just happened. Are you still a bug at this time? Yeah. Seven pound bug. That was my I think my twentieth victory of my life. Wow. That is that's a huge accomplishment. Obviously in a graded stink. You do not get the weight allowance. So that's a huge accomplishment for an apprentice to win a grade to twentieth. Winner their life. That's that's amazing Pablo. How did the reset up for you? Again, a had a had a plan in my mind because I studied a really good it pretty much follow that plan to the teeth. I remember just say this is what I'm gonna do. This is how am I going to break? This is the position that I'm gonna be if somebody I'm gonna try to probably going to be in the lead. But I'm I don't wanna move early. So say a little bit why. So somebody moves up on the inside. I don't have to move. I could just stay still to the quarterback. I wish it was that easy every day. That's how I had it in my mind. Worked out. Well, was was it an easy victory. Did he win pretty easy? No he won by he won't buy a head. He there were closing on him. They were solely him the last part and just hang on. As a bug. Boy, you when you're first grade to pretty amazing folks, stay with us. So we're going to continue our visit with jockey Pablo. Morales after the short commercial break. You're listening to jock talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka right here on the horse racing radio network. Hi, I'm Tito beverage, founder and master distiller of Tito's handmade vodka America's original craft vodka. 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Well, find down poco connections panel Pablo Mera's make every poll, nobody Wildcats seconds still alive. Vise onto third three or photo. Purport at running time on the board. One forty two point seventy seven one. Four come back to Johnson presented by Tito's handmade vodka. I'm your host Christina McMahon. A goal, and I am joined tonight by jockey Pablo. Morales Pablo do you get excited when you hear the replay? Yeah. That's really cool. Of course, Pablo's victory in the same FDA this year two thousand nineteen at Tampa Bay downs. And hopefully heading to the Kentucky Derby as we spoke about in the first half of the show. So you're riding in New York. He started in Florida now you're back in Florida baba, you're writing Tampa Bay downs. Fulltime you go up, but depressed guile downed during the summertime you've been a five time leading rider at press Carl downs Voss of always been on the top riders and Tampa as well. Tampa is a funny place. I rode with you at Tampa in two thousand ten and I was a girl and so many riders come to Tampa. Because obviously, it's warm and everyone wants to be worn during the wintertime, so talk to us a little bit about why you decided to go to Tampa. And what's business like for you there? Like a lot of steps the jockey stake out. They're pretty much taking a test few years back. I remember going to Miami just to you know, making a move and one of the trainers there for me to come to temper in the end up not even right in for that trainer here. But obviously like every other track we duck is going to what we started working hard at it. And I had a really good need there. I still come back for a few years started going after press color started going to New York in the winter for a few years. And then I decided again to come back here. A lot of people knew me a had a good agent coming here. So now, I had a family is definitely a great place to be here in the winter money, obviously, not exceptional. But when you the well like anywhere else you make a living. And I got my wife, and my kids here we have a house here. It's just a great place to to live. And and thank goodness I've been able to to collect enough business where I'm constantly winning. And obviously, we're always pushing for more about I I'm pretty happy with what I'm doing. Is Tiba of funny track. In terms of how you ride the track defined it. More speed favoring or what's it like, it is it is it is a little complicated. It's definitely different surrounding press called our where you have to be patient, and we've got to save cry. You don't wanna move to early on? It's definitely definitely very different here, especially not so much McGrath McGrath. You gotta write a similar similar about about on the dirt. You have to be a little aggressive. You seem like saving ground not the most important part here in this core because you kinda incisive to be deeper. It's a very copy trag is kinda like our services kinda like like, the the beach the sun for the beach. It's it's definitely a little bit weird. You gotta play by ear every race. But again, you have to be more aggressive. It seems like courses hang on a little bit more than other tracks and. Seems like being in the outside. Always always pay off the inside, obviously, not terrible. But most of the time you see horses closing on the outside. So there's a lot of factors that you have to completely change your cell of writing when you're here. How about press Kyle Downes, obviously, they have the synthetic surface at press isle, and I've never ridden there myself. So I know nothing about it. How do you handle yourself on that track? And joy it a lot. Actually, I really like it. There's no pig buck from the dirt you don't feel anything horses doors babies, especially or even older horses when they're in the back. They don't rarely any pig by going into their face. So they seem to really doesn't really matter coming from behind or the front every. Kind of equal. And I enjoy a law that you have to you seem like job. He's to play a little bit of a bigger part in the Polly that under third there seems like obviously a smart ride in a good joke is gonna make a little bit of different instead of make a difference. But in the police, it was like every move kind of council, literally more, even when you think you have the race warn the last the last eight of milder horses closing you have to be patient. You have to be smart enough to save ground. I feel like there's it's to enjoy it more because I feel like that you your your your actions are are to be make make more difference than their track. Very interesting. I've never heard someone put it in such great detail before. And obviously, it's it's been a little bit of a controversial track. Some people love it. Some people hate it. Sounds like you like it. Do you think it's good for the horse? I think the difference. This is not the regular Polly truck, very half another places like it's hopefully, this is to Peter this even a when they just turn to Peter last year. It's so synthetic drugs, but it's not the poly track. And for what I hear everybody likes to eat. And some even though people like the poly, they feel like pitas better. We really don't have any problems with it during the racist. The the accidental brigands are very minimal to non. So most of the writers that are there are entering or seem to complain about it, hopefully, the training style is going to be a little bit more different. You you want to kind of take it easy with the horses in the morning. You don't wanna train to aggressively because it's obviously a little bit harder than avert track. But I really here barely hear any complaints of that racetrack. Now, you've actually gone up toward bind before you. You just mentioned would binds picked up the Topeka, and you actually happen to pick up a big drink of water on the hundred thousand dollar steak up there last year, and you've done well shipping up to Woodbine. Do you think it's good for jogging have that feel for how the pita works? I think so. Yeah, I mean, obviously something that are comfortable with. I know how to I know how horse respond to feel when you're not really used to it. When you're not used to it. You you the defense of faces a little bit different to show a little bit a little while to get accustomed to even for me that I've been there for so many years when I I get it back from Tampa to to press. I always after my workout. I try to guess exactly how I went. And but still I ask like just to try to like put it together because it takes a little bit. Well, who's the seem to a lot of Fuster in that kind of surface and doing it a lot easier? So you might think that you're going flow. But then you come back in the chair tells you you're going to do. Definitely a different field to it. Now talking to get about Woodbine. Do you enjoy that Trump is a nice place to ship in when a couple of steak? Absolutely. Yeah. I went I went to like it a lot. It's obviously a beautiful race the Reuther a little strict with me very strong finish. And I think so They have a lot of rules over there. Cannot raise your hand over your hand letters something that even try sometimes struggle with and never getting punished by by getting fine. But what you're gonna do several? He goes. Yeah. I heard someone else. Some don't remember who it was someone else. Got fined big time. I guess over there don't they have a another kind of odd rule. If you ask me were you can't hit a horse more than three times in succession, and then you have to go back to pumping three times. I think two or three I'm not one hundred percent. Sure. You got only like two or three in a row when I was okay. With the problem that one that I was struggling with a little bit of you can only race your hand to your head. If your hand passes your helmet by even an inch. You get find twenty percent of the person you went Yanks that would have been in trouble too. Like everybody. Well, when you're when you're riding to Lynn, you're not exactly thinking about that. I'm sure I wouldn't even think about dry, I've tried a remember. But when it was coming to the delayed, and you're looking to win it you definitely forget. But before when I'm Linda gate or something I'm thinking to raise your hand over your head. And then it's gone. You're writing to win so much for that baba. What's your favorite tractor ride at then? Right now. Of course, I Joe press. Call a lot the like again, also I get a lot of quality horses there. I'm usually right in the better stuck inside been leading jokey so many years there. So it's always nice to not just play the games more. But also being able to have the stuck on their Neath you to to be able to show what you can do. It's obviously exciting. But I think that it's member so much attracts. Obviously what you're what are you writing in the dot track? Now, you have an agent here at Tampa, Paula bacon. I actually went through Paula bacon to get you on the show here because I had Paula on the show. Maybe I don't know a year ago or so and she speaks so highly of you loved working with you, obviously. And she go with you. Depress. Kyle as well. Yes. We heard about that. We are here in time bunny letter press co so we're working together year round. And you've obviously developed a great relationship as you mentioned working your round. And how important is it for jockey to have a good agent. Or it's extremely important stream Lii extremely important. They they take care of everything, you know, the great part about it is that she works hard, and she's very likable. She knows a lot of people. So I've been around the visit to for for a while. But so has she so everything works really, well, we get a little raid. She believes in me. And I it's been great as I who's I took her. We don't really well every year that I had been almost three years. I won about two hundred races each year. So obviously, I'm really happy with her. And I know she's happy with me too. Yeah. I know last year you were one of only twenty other jockeys in the nation to have won over two hundred races in a year. That's a big number Bob low, and like I said you have a huge number of wins to your name over seventeen hundred wins. And they're just keep coming. What goals? Do you have for yourself at this point in your career? You've already accomplished a lot. What goes you have going forward? To be honest with you, I've been I don't really think about this too much. But now that I'm getting close to the two thousand Mark. I mean guy close, but close and closer, you know, like two hundred fifty around there. I'm pretty excited about two thousand seems like a big big big number. I feel like I'm pretty young still feel like I have a lot to give. But to knowing that I've hopefully get into the markets really exciting. Obviously among so excited about this thing coming up with the Tampa Bay there. But I just say day by day. I wanna win every race that I can't I wanted to. Well, I wanna see my trainers happy. I wanna stay healthy. And I just I I'm not too concerned of what's next? I'm just want to keep going. Well, the way you're going. You'll be at two thousand in no time maybe next year. I know you mentioned your family a little bit ago, and your wife is actually daughter of trainer we have two little kids and tell us how you and your wife men. Women in New York of Super Bowl party, if I'm not mistaken, and we just became friends and move little by little we getting to know each other. I went to write that summer at park and she lived a block from the track. We so we started dating, and then we got married, and it's been awesome ever since almost could be this year later this year is going to be ten years together. And where I am. I hope she's two. we're super happy. We'll have early anniversary. That's huge mega to ten years with two beautiful kids. Tell us about your children. You have a daughter in his son. Yes, we got her some fancy Sade and my son Camillo six there again until Suber lesser super good kids. I feel like I'm gonna really lucky with them because they just give no problem. They listened super good. They're just great kids. We'll be hitting for we have a happy home. We have a good thing going. Everybody gets along grade. Just having a good time. New your kids show any interest in horses. A little bit too much there. I don't really involve them too, much it. I came to him. I was gonna come through on their own. I know the challenges to be there has there is an being jockey the danger of it. Definitely nobody push it on even though I had I had a Rummy all along it was like took on my own. So I don't really they don't really pay attention actually know that is jockey they go to the racist here and there so pour me a hundred percent, but I don't keep them in both the race for too much. Obviously having a family and riding full-time keeps you busy. Tell us about your daily schedule. What's typical day in the life of Pablo? Morales. Pretty pretty boring No, I I go to work in the morning depends on many breaches. Ha I have to go really really early other these notes so much, but I'm yokels every single morning, then I usually come home for an hour just to a quick small bite to eat. Go to the shower go right back to the drugs from maybe reduce a couple of pounds and a hot box and then Saudi my program. That's I can't and then racist, and I come home, my wife, usually has my dinner ready thing all the time and kids are waiting for me. And then we're just eating something and family together. This what usually do every single day? Do you have to worry about your weight at all? And what you eat. No, no, really. I'm again, pretty without too. Heavy by any means. I whatever I want if anything if I have to poop upon or to just do it in my only to say lighter say lighter or in case, I had a a horse. Come. I would like maybe one fifteen or sixteen but other whatever I want I try I try not to use it even though my day self. I do. That's okay. You're you're in Tampa, Florida. You have you're surrounded by good seafood. So. That has to be nice. And I heard you've got into boxing. Yeah. A few years ago to maybe two two and a half years ago. I got into always liked to work out. It's a nice thing. I think healthy maintain my weight of always worked out even running or doing whatever going to the gym pretty active person. But I get into bucks in because it looked really fun. And I just started in ever since I've been practicing it. It's just a great sport keeps you so fit to reflexive your the muscles in your arm your legs. I mean to you with you I felt like the most unfit person in the world when I started boxing. I just wanted to keep homegoing. And definitely felt I felt a big big difference. When it came to it, re reflexive reaction astounding. It was I loved it. Do you feel like it's helped your performance on the back of a horse? I really did. I really did. When when I when started definitely I felt a big difference. I just I could see the difference. Even in my body. Even though jockeys we are pretty fed, but we're pretty good to ride horses. But going the extra mile doing something else. Maybe talking to Muslims parts that you're not accustomed to like your shoulders and all this stuff. I did feel a difference when he came to writing I've always been a very looked like a very strong finisher on a horse, but I was doing doing it. Now, maybe without even getting a little bit tire. So I think a great sport to to choose obviously in dot boring at all it was very very fan. It kept you kept you, very busy in your mind. So you don't realize how hard you're working out until you're done, and you can barely move. Sounds like it's definitely a good workout. Do you do anything else of been working horses riding races? Obviously in boxing. Do anything else to keep fit? When I don't feel like boxing because boxing, leave you sometimes pretty sore. And when I have my a lot amounts coming up. I really rather not other maybe hitting back a little bit lightly because he does leave your pretty for the next day. I just go running. I usually go running for a little bit. And I do have my equity, sir. And I ride my equa sites around my backyard after two running two miles, and that's pretty much what I do. Joggy Pablo Morales? Joining me tonight on jock talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka right here on the horse racing radio network. Even so many winners, and so many stinks victories to you name. Obviously have mentioned the two graded stakes victories. Who would you say is your favorite horse? That I've read in my favorite horse that you've written. I should have specified. Well, there was one little horse that I was just always I always think about his name was flit ballot. It was it wasn't mom to park and this little horse. I mean, he has so much hard. It was for trainers caught a bowl he claimed them for like ten thousand dollars or something like that. And after that, he put me on him, and he raised him up to twenty five thousand and the host Winnie see he rate, he put him in a hundred thousand dollar steak again, he when he he run another sticking Haskell day for a hundred thousand that they the big Brown of Ren there again win it. And then we went to laurel on the Francis. Dash or something like that is called a grade a greatest finished third, and the reason why I was such a big fun of of this a big fun of this because he was so little and very very uncomfortable going in the morning, and but it wouldn't come to the races. You could not recognize him. He was just a complete different. What was he was just so old hard when it came to running just give it his old every single time. Just one of my favorite horses and just pulled him up right here. And yet quite the career. I was actually his last race running the greed one Frank j Francis memorial dash at laurel park third as you mentioned had four victories in a row prior to that the the little horse that could he was something else for sure. Oh, yeah. You get in you get on him in the morning. He do look like it. He don't act like it if he acts like he's a little sore behind. But when it came to a racist, you put him in the gate, and he was one of the forces of ever ridden. How about this? Who's your favorite jockey that you look up to today? Maybe you ride you associate with them in the jocks room. Who's your favorite nowadays? There's so many talented riders when I was when I was smaller. I always looked up Jerry Bailey. And I are produ. I always looked at them. That's why I wanted to be like, that's I what I wanted to look like and how I wanted to write. I mean today. There's so many good writers. We have cheese brothers are doing a main one. Of course, I look up to even though they're younger than me. I'm too many how well they're doing how smart and how strong they look there's just so many really who it hard. But I know there's just so much talent out there everywhere. It's I'm proud of being able to do as well as I'm doing the competition around. What is the atmosphere like in the docks room? Obviously, unlike anything in any other sport or you are surrounded by your competitors right after the competition. So I'm sure temperatures can get heated at times. But at the same time we look at one another almost like family. So what's it like for you? I'm pretty going. I'm nice to everybody. I like everybody trying to get into any arguments. I I don't find a reason to we're all competitors. But we we know that our life our risks out there. I think it's dumb to to get into our humans. We know we're trying to win. You know, accidents are going to happen or a little bit stakes are going to be done out there that that could mess your race up. Just that you can mess somebody else raise up, but I'm usually pretty easy going. I don't let nothing get to me. And if I made a mistake if I bother somebody I first to apologize to them. But to me, it's pretty easy. Obviously, some people are more her head of the Nodar other ones are funny it just like anywhere else where we I try to get along with everybody there. Who's your valid there? Tampa. I'll kill pike goes. My valid here in in Tampa bird to paiko tell us what value does for jockey, well valley, usually mature all your tack and your clothes are ready to go for the day. Everything is clean. Everything is folded your helmet and your Godel are on with the right caller. Your talk is said for the way that you have coming up and also provide refreshments for you. There are there in the year cooler fridge, and that's pretty much what they do. They're just there for what you need. What's the most difficult aspect of writing? We talked about the physical injuries you've had. But there's also the mental frustration that can come in. You're not doing well or you get taken off amounts or anything like that. What free? You is the hardest part of writing. Sometimes I could year of learn to the year to cope with the loss of a little bit better, especially when you're going through a little flaw or something like that. And you wanna win so bad and things just don't happen to together. It's really easy to get down is really to get for straight. And but you just gotta keep pushing pushing through and and it always comes around for everybody. I know this for for personal experience for seeing other junkies. I it's a little hard. We wanna win where out to win. There's no point of playing if you're never gonna win. So we're trying to win every time that could be a little bit a little bit of the biggest challenge that waiting suffering, obviously when you don't win and you get a little bit scoring then you also get with the factor that trainer sometimes aren't happy. They wanna take your for mound. And I it does take a toll on your self fem- and your confidence. But you just gotta keep. I m going I've learned that doesn't mean is easy. Of course. I do good. Donald phone time. Of course, I do get discouraged sometimes but other in the morning and ready to go again before you know, how to hear him winning one two three raises a day. There you go. Who are your favorite trainers to ride for at Tampa? Well, I I write a little bit for everybody. Obviously Kono has been great to me this year. She's super nice. But I have I have support for from a lot of people. I cannot really single out anybody because a lot of people have even though they don't put me in all their horses interest in which pretty decent once and I've making them pound. So I really appreciate it a lot of trainers that that always try to find me horses. I know that have a good shot and they up for me to write them. Only about a minute left here on this show what kind of horses. Do you feel like you fit with the best? I to be honest. I don't know. I I try to do this whatever single horse. I don't mind coming from behind. I don't mind being close to the pace. I do not mind going to lead. I think when I when I'm out there. I just what's best for my snow westbound mode where I wanna be it's more where my horse will give you the best run. I try to put them where they wanna be. So about the horse Pablo. I love it. I can't thank you enough for joining us. This has been great year in your story Pablo and organise see you on tape. Obey derby day wish you all the best and keep winning Pablo. Thank you. You don't think appreciate it so much and good luck with everything can thank you so much folks, you can check out this show and replays of all of our other Shaw's on the website at horse racing radio dot net's. Now, be sure to join me next Tuesday at six o'clock eastern time with another addition of jock talk presented by Tito's handmade vodka for our producer Lee dela Pena, I'm Christina mechanical and thanks for listening.

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"Not talentless in this area. Yeah. No, I look, I think a lot of catchers do have the ability to pitch because they're used to gun in the ball down to second base. Russell Martin actually had a decent year last year in Toronto date. I hit forty five with what sixteen homers, maybe. I'm sorry. He was hitting the last year. He won ninety four last year. How many home runs ten ten okay you're thinking in twenty two thousand fifteen twenty three. Okay. So, yeah. He's obviously passed his his prime as a hitter, he still a fine defensive catcher. But sure, I think in mop up duty why not go to Russell. Greg, is this something they might want to the dodgers bullpen is terrible. No, it's not that much. That's a real Mark. The dodgers bullpen has been one of the best in baseball for the last month. This okay for the last over on the season have been the, the achilles heel. They've been the one part. Jeanine games over five hundred there every teams achilles heel. I didn't say the worst bullpen in baseball. I said the bullpens not that good. Yeah. The bullpen has been better than people think, basically since Joe Kelley started stop lighting himself on fire, every time Herat Joe Kelley has gotten better slowly gotten better. I just think Russell Martin kind of missed the boat here. Yeah. Maybe did. You're right. You're listening to Caspian Los Angeles. All right. Gregg find a way to get a player a listener to be a player while I ask this will will give away. L AFC tickets if the person is able to win perfect our contest. How about John Watson is actually here, and has been so helpful to us over the years, you and the AA is fighting a California Bill that would let certain athletes to third name, image, or likeness, which NCWA officials and other traditional argue would undermine the amateurism of college sports, NCWA, president, Mark Emmer insinuated as we to the two. The fair pay to play at the California institutions, both public and private would be barred from participating in NC, double A, championships, Washington Post sportswriter, Sally Jenkins wrote in a scathing column, that Emmett was bluffing and cal-, California, should call them on it. Should they call them on it? What leverage does emirate actually have, and with the billions of dollars ESPN, CBS, and Turner paying rights fees for tournaments and bowl championships? Will they fork it over without the presence of the heart of the pack twelve I think the idea that you're somehow, keep California from competing in important things California's stadiums California teams, California athletes. All this stuff, you're competing in these things seems far fetched to me. But the more important thing is California do what they think is right? Not what they think the NCAA is going. And these guys, the idea that you're gonna make object to people capitalizing on their own likeness capitalizing on their own name. It's absurd. By the way, I think other states should pass this exact same legislation. This is one way to get over on the NC double A salute is for each state to pass this individually, I say good for California. We are one of the most progressive states in the country and athletes should be able to make money off their likeness, and their Amen from a PR standpoint. Are you really going to go out there and try to defend that idea that they should in the name of amateurism or whatever? No, you can't. Everybody hates the NCAA anyway. That's the only thing you high fine is were so unpopular that nobody's gonna that. We might as well just do this to and make it even more nakedly obvious at all. We care about is money. Yep. Terrible idea, Jerry. All right. A lot of people may have noticed this trend where you go on Facebook, and it's your friends birthday. Yeah. Instead of just saying happy birthday to that person, you're supposed to donate to a cause. They're, then it's very nice. Nice tonight, the end up now everybody's doing it went from the kind of thing where, you know, it was a bit of a novelty, and you see your friend. Oh, that's nice. 'cause and you give them ten dollars or fifteen dollars. But now if you have like say, you have one hundred friends on Facebook, all of your friends are trying to raise money and you feel I personally feel like this. It's getting much like how do I donate to do what my offending somebody if I donate here, and I don't donate their because people can see a lot of those. Right. Sure we all we taken this, too far where you're just asking for money for everything. Well where it's a donation to this or based on how good a friend, they are. Okay. Right. If, if somebody's a really good friend, Dan. I understand it. I have. I think five thousand friends on Facebook. So there's no, you're close personal friends. No possible way for me to donate to everyone. But if it's a close friend, I can see donating to their cost. Sure it just it's gone to I would like everybody to know the one my birthday rolls around I will be accepting gifts just gifts. You are you do not need to feel free to donate. You'll have the right way street to an organization or a charity, you can just get me something. There you go. It'll be like a bridal registry. It'll be your birthday. Exactly my birthday nice idea. We're not planning on doing good for humanity. I I'm in favor of good for humanity. You don't like humanity am anti gay. All right. Let's do this thing. We've got Jonathan Watson here to compete nobody. Look over this way, it is. Elon Musk's birthday today? He's the fancy car guy. Oh, yeah. Someday, someday. One of his cars will be affordable for a regular person right now. It's just super rich people to buy the tesla. So you and Ireland. No, not I'm driving a Mazda. All right. Here we go. This is just factor fiction. Jonathan welcome to the show, by the way. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Number one, Henry Ford started his first motor vehicle company in eighteen ninety nine it was called the Detroit automobile company is that fact or is that fiction. Greg facts. Greg, says fact, Brian fiction fiction Jonathan Watson fact. Jonathan watson. And Greg are on the board. It is an absolute fact. Eighteen ninety-nine good job for heaven. The United States is home to around a third of all. All the cars in the world. Is that fact or is that fiction? Go start with Brian fiction fiction. Greg fiction fiction. Jonathan fact, it is not a fact. I'm sorry. It's the home to about a quarter of the car is in the world. That's update bird is a gigantic number pick number. All right. Number three, and eggs can repair an engines, leaky radiator, an egg can repair. An engines, leaky radiator start with you. Jonathan factor fiction, fixing fiction, Brian. I'm not trying that about, I'll say fact, but I'm still not trying back, Greg. Yeah. I think it's a fact it's weird. It is a fact, you can drop an egg in a, leaky radiator and it'll all congealed and it will stop the leak sound like a good idea. Good temporary fix learning mechanics. Others at a good idea to work. It works works. A lot of stuff duct tape works, apparently what else can I drop in my radiator? It's a lot of stuff works. There you have it. All right. My takeaway put anything you want in your radiator. It's fine Nissan. Leaf is the top selling electric car in the world, the Nissan leaf top-selling electric car in the world. Start with you Greg fiction fiction. Brian fiction fiction Jonathan fixing. I'm sorry. That is a fact, the Nissan leeann leaf ille- the best-selling electric car. The world number five Chevy invented the three point seat belt as we know it today Chevy invented the three point seat belt as we know it today. Jonathan. That's a fixing, that's a fiction. I agree fiction Brian's fiction. Greg is fiction. It is fiction. It was invented by Volvo invented the seat belts weeds number six the inventor of cruise control was blind. The inventor of cruise control was blind. Is that fact or is that fiction start with Brian that would make sense? Fat. Brian fact, Greg, I'm gonna say fiction, Greg says fiction Jonathan seems to fixing inside the say, fact fact, it is the inventor of cruise control was blind. And the last one is worth two and a half Jonathan your within striking distance so you get to go last. Okay. Using the vehicle's heater uses up more gas. I've always heard this using the vehicle's heater uses up more gas. Is that fact or is that fiction, Greg than his fiction for sure fiction? Greg says fiction. Brian, I will also say fiction fiction and Jonathan you gotta go the other way, really. It's fixing. It is fiction. The integrity of the game. This is the way heard is the a c it uses more gas Jonathan. You know what you win. Anyway. Thank you give that Manson. L. A F C tickets. Good job. We got more fasttrack coming up in two minutes. Mason in Ireland. ESPN. LA. ID SPN, Elaine Mason, Ireland, back live, the bar, Louie in Downey, and let's see. The next question is to you, Brian. Yes, let's do this one because my computer spending, we'll get to the game in a second crocodiles as it turns out in the mess Zoellick period. Okay had three stretches where they went vegetarian. Got it does this make you think any less of crocodiles as an intimidating animal. You know I have heard reading a book right now. I have heard the crocodiles actually don't have. The ability to chew that they killed frames, and then they let it sort of dissolve crocodiles are confusing. I don't have any clue whether I respect them or disrespect them, is that I just feel like the idea of vegetarian crocodile really has on me for a lose on it. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense to me at all now like them grazing and pick. Where do they eat the grass in the bottom of the ceremony? Yeah. Does that soft? Plus, I feel like on the part of crocodile the first couple who went veggie. We're probably insufferable absolutely Dave. I'm not eating that any more. I'm sorry. Jay. Jay Jay, Jay. All right. Thank you. We get it. All right. Are you looking to quit smoking or reduce eating cookies, or donuts like me? Or do you want to stop it in the bottle, which we have been hitting today? Engineers had behavioral technology in Salt Lake City. Have invented a wristband. They hope will kick the habit. It's called the Pavlak bracelet, which works in a similar way to a shock collar for a disobedient dog it delivers a three hundred and fifty volt jolt at your command, whenever you feel you're falling prey to irresistible urges, which they claim will subside and three to five days. You can buy it on Amazon for two hundred bucks. What's it called? It's called the Pavlak bracelet, you put it on, and it will give you a three hundred fifty volts shock, whatever you want to be a like, like, that's the quivalent to what? Doesn't sound good. Any idea knows about putting eggs in radio? Even that guy doesn't know it's a shock shock collar for doc, what cravings, do you have that you would cause you to buy something like this. And do you actually believe it would work? Know we'd get me to take the thing off, first of all. But I, I have a sweets problem. They're definitely stretches where I try to stay away from sweets, random snacking. Yeah. Things like that, where you just walk through the kitchen. He grabs him. Eat it for no particular reason. Hungary brainless kind of mindless eating. Right. I could use a shock thing for that. Yeah. I got a terrible Donut have it donuts for delivery, like really bad mates. Every single night I would order donuts. I actually think this thing would work because does it work just thinking about if time if every time you think about it, you commanded to shock, you, you associate shocks winnowed ever, it is you wanna stop. How does it know that? That's what I was thinking about, you have to ignite it yet, like it would work for you. You can take it off every time I walked by aftershock myself for just having that thought. Yes. Correct. Just for having the thought then when you start having the thought you start having a negative association. So if I thought. I don't hit the thing doesn't work. It doesn't work got actually shock yourself that I'm not doing that. I would do, I would do dumb thing that would make you play golf better. It was a bracelet that may gone that the. The bracelet the new what were those called and made your brain? Somehow like read my brain. Some sort of signature panel. Zere twenty sixty that doesn't work thing where I have to punish myself by essentially tasting myself your self, none of you two hundred doing that. Jay. We got a game. We've recruited David come play with us. Aim that crowd. Who knew my mom's first name? That's all it takes to get on this show as everybody knows the Lakers have maximum free agent caps bay as we start the free agent period. The four biggies on the board. Kawhi Leonard Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler, and Kemba Walker. And so would I have a game is a game here called Leonard Irving Butler or Walker? I'm gonna give a clue and you're and you're gonna tell me if this is a Leonard and Irving a Butler, or a Walker could be their first name, it could be their last name. All right. We go first one known as tough juice, this NBA champion name is your buzzer. Just going anytime known as tough juice. This NBA champion spent one year with the Lakers before being traded to Washington, a deal that still makes Kobe Bryant mad Mason, corron Butler Koran Butler. Very good. And I in this Africa plan. Everybody's playing. Yeah. You forgot this twenty four year old, right? Hander is taken over a status from Clayton Kershaw on the dodgers rotation. Recent Greg Walker Beulah Walker. Bueller? David feel free to participate in jump in anytime, whenever you're good sway. I lose a lot this hall of Famer dominated the seventies and early eighties with the Sixers earning iconic nickname despite not actually being a medical doctor David. David thought today. Julius erving. Very good one for David David on the bar, David. This actor is best known for playing Spock on Star Trek pretty much all he's saying, for Greg, Leonard nimoy, Leonard nimoy good. Greg takes a two one lead Leonard Irving Butler, or Walker. That is today's game this former Georgia running back was part of perhaps, the most iconic trait of all time. Steve Herschel Walker chal Walker very good two points, four Steve, he was the fourth picking the 2017 draft by the Jacksonville Jaguars ran for over a thousand yards as a rookie David Leonard. The Corrales all behind you. That's right. This Scottish actor is when you find him again, this Scottish actor is best known for his roles in Olympics, as fallen London has fallen along with three hundred David Jarboe Gerard? Damn. It is legit. Oh, it's gonna win. Four one of the great middleweights of all time. His career record was thirty six three and one and includes an Olympic gold medal Mason's Steve sugar lasted around Leonard. Very good. Oh, instead of Greg that doesn't count. Nope. This career to ninety hitter piled up twenty three hundred seventy five hits and five hundred fifty eight stolen bases for Atlanta, San Francisco in seven, seasons with the dodgers Leonard Irving Butler, or Walker. Mason, Steve Brett Butler rats yacht. Learn now. All right. This last one is really hard. It's where I show worth two and a half. Anybody can win may settle serious right now. Look at him at least trying to win wrote down the name Butler Walker. I'll do this when it gets quite as hard best known for his roles in the fast and furious franchise this actor died tragically in a twenty three car accident. Greg hall Walker. Greg pulls out Lord who. Congratulations job man. Thank you very much, you played. Well. Thanks. Nobody wins that game, the first what was the hard-won Irving Fryar? Oh, no. No, nobody would have gotten that. Maybe I'm Boston sports radio, the navy, maybe. All right. Got one last one. Jay, you're not allowed to ask another question until you hear that sound yours. All right. Seven eleven launched a delivery service. There's actually I think it's is an Oscar is here who has got a Oscar. Right. Sunny, Ives close sunny, Saturday, June. So well, they're seven eleven launched delivery services week that will send a slurpee or almost anything else carried by the chain to public places ranging from parks to beaches. The company told the a p that more than two thousand seven eleven hotspots including New York, central park, and Venice beach in L, A will be activated. Monday customers need to download seven eleven seven now app and select show. Seven now pins to find a hot spot close by. Here's the question with the widespread legalization of marijuana. What other retailer? There's might be coming to your house. You're park bencher your blanket on the beach because you've got the munchies. Yes. Basically. Yeah. Basically, oh man slurpy delivery since awesome. Slurpy great. I mean but this is already here. Right. Through posing. You just mean literally delivered just by the like you're at Venice beach, and you want something delivered not because. Not because whatever just you want the actual company to bring it to Domino's. Does that Donald goes nicer? Rhyme, each you wherever you want fresh brothers works freshmen in and out in and out for sure. Oh, in and out is this feels like something a Taco Bell ought to be doing. Oh Taco Bell del taco. Doc over Taco Bell now Taco Bell del taco. Tonita. That's heresy right now. But. Of the fast. Ranch is, is off to be doing this, because those exist, entirely to feed high people. True. That's all Taco Bell is four twenty four hours a day up trust. They're open just for that been there. So that's I mean, I think that's where I would start. Yeah. It's not gonna be like mastro's. So that is seven eleven seven now app. It'll show you exactly where you can get stuff. All right. By the way, you know, the, the other thing is they've got all over town. Now these billboards for marijuana delivery. Have you seen those I have I've heard about one called EAS E as e e? Billboards everywhere. I hear it's good. You hear from personal experience. I hear it's good. I just feel like there's certain things that you still ought to try to get out and do yourself you're having like, once you start having your we'd delivered to you now, you're really resigning yourself, never going anywhere. You think that's something new. No conscious. Have you say you want to get out there and kind of, you know, let me say, sometimes if you are one of us, you are lazy right away smoke among you wanna get out of? But it used to be like there, you, you get really high, but you'd have to leave for other things now was in a world, where literally everything can come to your door in a really specific way. Yeah. Why not doughnuts? You want the exact kind of wheat from the exact dispensary and all these, you mean that dream. You're saying, like, you know, not everybody has the, you know, the serial killer closet, and they're back. I am. I am. Delivery, Mesa's got a nice house. I understand why you might wanna stay down. I'm just saying too many things, keeping your house, you can have problems coming up next. We are live from bar, Louie in Downey, and interesting stuff about who's actually going to be in the Lakers meeting with Kawhi Leonard, that's coming up next. Mason and Ireland. ESPN LA, we're back live at bar, Louie in Downey, Mesa. Coming up is purgatory George Sodano will be here with whoever is help titles news. Helper is brother. He's been helping all week but I don't know if today we will find out at the top of the hour. We got breaking news. From ESPN. All right guys whose. There you go. Get one of those Hawaii Kawhi Leonard will speak to the Lakers in the next few days and has made a personal request that only owner genie, bus and Magic Johnson. The team's former president of basketball operations be involved in the meeting. Wow. So the only two people in the meeting by request of Leonard will be Jeanie. And magic what does that mean when he wants the owner doesn't work there? That is so odd that is so quiet lantern, apple time outside. Oh, weird. Big time magic time. But like we're back in the Magic Johnson business. Yeah. It's crazy. That that's the way this is coming down. Did we ever leave? The Magic Johnson business clearly not. No. He'd all he he'd left's continued to whoever he wanted to talk about this. Can can you to recruit healers people? He was unleashed with as wild tweets. His whole thing was, I want to be able to sit back and talk to whoever. I wanna talk to. Yeah. Fear of repercussion, as and this is what's happening as Jason new tweets a network, said magic quitting the Lakers, OBI. Wan leading Darth Vader, strike down to become more powerful than over could ever imagine S leaves just now. He's unleashing. There are no rules governing. All it doesn't work there. And you may be doesn't know that magic quit is that possible. Tricks in the game is about basketball. It was not reading all the headlines magic stepped down. He's a fun guy. That is so odd so that I don't need to meet with both of those guys in the front office. I just need one of them. Yeah. That is crazy. So no rob Pelinka. No business affairs. People only Magic Johnson and Jeanie Buss will be in that meeting. No Rich Paul. Well, of course. I mean I see what either thank you know, LeBron James no, Anthony Davis. I don't think Anthony Davis can be although Anthony, no. He can't. I don't these you're right on the tape. But LeBron James her Sam amick, or maybe he can per Sam amick, which do we believe Sam aiming? Bron James, and Anthony Davis will also be a part of the pitch per Sam amick. So flipping report, maybe Anthony Weiner reports even a saying one thing. Not be able to be at an official. Kathy Davis can be there in like, meet with Leonard. He doesn't become a Laker, officially until July, the set. So he can't be involved in team activities. You can meet with Kawhi. He's texting with quiet, but it can't meet with quiet. He's not officially member. The organization how you do it. If you're at a restaurant, let's say they meet at bar Louie. In down in down, just by the way, yet another table. This is one of their top choices. If your attitude you have like Jeanie Jeanie and magic in coli one table in with his back to the table. He's Anthony Davis over Sean over his shoulder like holding a mirror is murdering. Exactly the Jason booth is Anthony Davis, not officially meeting. He's not there. The same data so weird. You know, at that makes me wanna do another shot. Hey, we've not done any shots in a while. It's been an hour George. You want to help us out with that. George will help us out excellent. All right. So that's, that's the latest there. We talked to Bobby marks a little bit earlier Bobby still believes I don't want to be Downer here. But Bobby still believes the most likely scenario is the Lakers. Take that thirty two million dollars. And they slice and dice it amongst multiple players that could be if Kyrie and K D go to Brooklyn, which Stephen as reported is all. Yes, he said all the done. If that goes through, that means that were nounce the rights to Dangelo Russell, and DeAngelis Russell. I think would be a fantastic option for the Lakers. He according to Bobby Mark something in the twenty two to twenty three million dollar range, which would still give them ten million dollars to go shopping. Greg has information. Wow. Sources brooklyn. This is sham. Strontium Brooklyn has extended a qualifying offer to Dangelo. Russell. Right. That's, that's not normal. That's not weird. That makes him a restricted free agent. Right. Yeah. But he was going to be a restricted free agent anywhere. They don't want. They're not gonna just let him be an unrestrained could agent. They couldn't just renounce them. They can. But you sure after you make him restricted so that you have the rights in case anybody gives him because, remember, as soon as free agency starts somebody can throw money at the Angelo, and that's what somebody will probably do. If you know, at least could do if, if they, you know, they want to put pressure on Brooklyn tat, the let him go really quickly before kyri might make a decision. It just depends on how this marketplace out and then the Angelo will either say, yes, I'll take it or. No, I won't. And if he thinks he's gonna end up with the Lakers because Kyrie's ended up in Brooklyn. He probably if it was Atlanta that made the offer just making up a team. Right. Saying, I'm not going to sign that I'll wait for some of the Lakers so restricted free agency gets really complicated because I don't think I think that plays out all the way into July the eighth yet seventy. It's seventy two hours now after the, the, the Taurean the moratorium ends on the six which means and this is another thing that makes it so dicey for the Lakers if they don't get Kawai, and they do want DeAngelis. They have to hope that Brooklyn won't goes through the kyri mix. Choice quickly. But here's the Womack Daniel Russell's, not go anywhere being Razzies restricted. The, the nets can kind of wait this out to make sure they have a point guard. See what Cairo is going to do, and it's up to Russell to decide whether or not he's going to sign an offer sheet from another team. Here's an half to. And so, even if he knows the Lakers are interested, and we'll pretty much have an offer form if he becomes an unrestricted free agent or that he's going to, you know, that, that kyri is going to end up in end up in Brooklyn, then he can wait for the Lakers to give them the offer, if that's where he wants to go. When's the right time for Russell to do this is it for the Lakers? Let's say the Lakers are going to be that team should they do it right away right on July. First wait till July six, because if we don't want to do it. You don't you don't have your money tied up, right? You can't tie up your money, right? But for de ngelo, Russell sake. He can because they have a moratorium on the Lakers. Do not want to make an offer to de ngelo as a restricted free agent. Right. Because even if they think there's, there's the possibility that Brooklyn could match it and then years have to start over in two or three other people might be off till July, the eight correct. So your money's tied up to July the so you don't tell you almost cross the Angelo, wrestle off the list, if I until he's an unrestricted free agent. I don't again. I could be wrong about they would have to renounce them. That's why that's a big deal that they were that was always going to happen as my point. And they can sail never going to they were never going to not hold onto his rights because what Kyrie doesn't come. They want to have that ability to match. Whatever offer that the Angelo gets they'll only renounce him after they know Kyrie is coming. All right. Right now, let's all raise a glass. Let's all raise a glass, to Kurai. Oh, I didn't see it. I do have to drive home to pick up my children right behind my went to hold up. No. But the third one might. We have rice on this sort of thing at the break law. We're coming right back. More details on everything. We know about free agency, everything. We know about Leonard, and there are moving pieces today. Other teams are at least hinted, I guess, reported sources are saying there are other offers that are out there and could be consummated as soon as three o'clock on Sunday. And we'll be right for Domingo's for Domingo's pay three PM on Sunday. All right. We got purgatory coming up at the top of the hour. Mason in Ireland. ESPN LA. I wear live at bar, Louie, and Downey, by the way, am Iram. I not handling these yours who had a rate today than I was. As I walked down a bunch of food that helps that makes a huge difference prank last week. So you're building. Right. Exact building up a tolerance FM tequila. It's not my vice. Now my vice. All right. So we're getting conflicting reports. Now about who's actually going to be in a meeting with. Are you reading Ramona Ramona Magic Johnson says he will help the Lakers in free agency in any way he can. But he is not permitted by NBA rules to be part of official team meetings with perspective free agents. Johnson says he has not been asked by the Lakers or owner, Jeanie Buss to participate now. That's weird. So now it's two people in the Ajay the Jason booth, it's now, AD and Magic Johnson sitting next to. Disney this morning to send out here according to Stephen a. Kawai requested only magic genie according to Sami Sam, amick, Anthony Davis and LeBron were supposed to be in the meeting. Now. Ramona is reporting that magic is not allowed to be in the Bill in the meeting, which is we're twenty minutes away from the three of us conducting the meeting. We've always, but hasn't they have they always brought legends to meetings? Like is this something new or they just being hard asses with the Lakers store? No. Everybody's always brought I'm still stuck on the whole. Magic is at the meeting thing like like this is weird to me that after what just happens. It's like nothing ever came of any of it. He's just in the meeting like nothing ever happened. But then the report that they didn't ask for rob Pelinka. That's for magic co is people and just Jeanie and magic. You don't want to talk to the GM Manassas all very weird to me. This is why like Hawaii so much. Magic says quote. This is via Ramona a friend of mine called and says Kawhi wants to meet with you. Johnson told ESPN I said, no problem. I'm available if that's what this man wants. But I got a great life not trying to mess with anybody's job. How is going on not today's going dots, right? Trying to mess with anybody's jobs. Shocking that we don't know what's happening within the Lakers organization. How much of this is just high. Don't know how much of this is just magic spinning stuff. I don't know how much of this is just the kabuki theater of meetings, we've already talked about how the, the, the whole concept of these pitch meetings are so straight. It's not like it used to be where you'd have like what's his name, Ron silver, whoever was making like these? Thirty minute videos for Carmelo Anthony that they'd show and talk about how he could be like everybody knows the deal. Now, before you even set it put into the room. So I'm very confused. But I love the idea of magic somehow being more involved with the team or what he did on, I apparently more involved than he was when he actually worked for the team. Tender he was around this much when our moving that was the magic was. He wasn't around very much. Now, the Sunday is going to be part of these meetings. Although now it's been reported that he's not allowed to be part of the meetings, which I thought he was part of meetings in the past. I don't this is why sports radio in Los Angeles, is vastly superior to sports radio everywhere else in the world because this doesn't happen in other places ESPN Milwaukee isn't talking like they don't have this kind of top. Nobody's hanging on every single word like like LA sports radio. This is the stuff doesn't happen this here. Fantastically interesting, although, doesn't it seem like magic is spinning his way into relevance. Well, sure. Never stopped like he just he, he quit the on the organization. Eat flat out, quit. I mean, we love Magic Johnson Los Angeles. He quit on the organization, there's no way around a very in a very unexpected way. And then when. On AllState, awkwardly time and torched. Everybody scorched him and then, like did it again like it's it's was really bad. But now he just sort of keeps going like nothing ever happened in apparently both the Lakers in like the rest of the basketball NBA public is just like okay. Well, it didn't really happen. He just needed to not be part of the team anymore. I just love back on Twitter. What's what's crazy is magic was trying to get rob Pelinka fired before. Now, he says he's not trying to mess with anybody's job, which seems like exactly what he's trying to do. I don't know what he's doing. Maybe we got nine different tweets nine different reports coming from people in, in thirty seconds. We'll find out more as this goes on. But like it's the whole saga is just odd. Like there's even any report that it would be. You know, that, that they would just ask for Magic Johnson and Jeannie boss, and not rob Pelinka strikes me as weird. And that's you know, is that just who wants to talk to is that he doesn't he's not interested in what the rest of the front office has to say about anything. I don't know. I don't know who's going to be in the meeting point. I think we have to know. They're all these different reports. I think we don't know who's going to be in the meeting. Let's face it there. There are opposing reports their reports on every side, we don't know who's going to be in the meeting, and we don't know when the meetings going to be I, which I think, is, which I think is more important than who's going to be in the meeting eight needs to be at the same time as the clippers, you know, what's great. I'm not kidding off that idea. I think it's a great idea. You know, what's great is that on Monday? When we come back, we're going to have a little bit more clarity over all this. We don't have to work done Sunday, Sunday. Yeah. Well when. When we come back. Oh, yeah. You're on bingo. So are you high three four clarity on Sunday, and even more Monday and even more on Tuesday, but it's getting it on. Gardening to come out the progression of where the Lakers were a week ago versus where they are now which is why isn't coming all to Kawais meeting with the Lakers, even that is significant progress. Because now they have money to pay him, which they didn't have before, they've been money, pay kyri, which they didn't have before. And if they don't get either one of those guys, they're going to get at least one to extra time win is more important than the who will the way. The wind is really important sooner the better, the better for the leg days a lot better than Tuesday. Because you're sitting on money until right? You know, this resolutely if it's more of a long shot, right? The law percentage, the quicker, this needs to get the high coming up next I expect George Sodano here, I think he's to be here, Cuban food, right? Always bring his you. Forgot about that. And, and more of the very latest on free agency Mason and Ireland. We are live from bar, Louie in Downey. ESPN a leg. I don't get stuck in mortgage loan. Purgatory call HMS capital. They compete to win you the best home loan rates. Call eight three three to five five fifty six ninety eight or visit HMS capital dot com. Ladies gentlemen, George Sodano here. All right. George. I just ate Cilicia. That's a meat pie. This'll be packed. Yeah. It's called up Stellato that got me moving. Moving straight for us. We were wondering what these things are croquettes ham, croquettes instead Coquito, no curl curl caked up. There you go said, he's our delicious to. And then these, these are, so the meat pies. And then there's some more stuff in here. That's more desert suffer. These are a little sweeter. So these are guava pastries on the left new. So they why Allah tell that quiet. Isla jaba. Jaba go guar ya. Qui- JABA back that you're going to play up side, you have a cream cheese and guava. So you nice. They why Hoon postal Cuiaba case close enough. So he goes, you guys can try this. This is great. Thank you. This is all you got on benthic stuff from Tropicana bakery, right here in Downey, which is the spot like if you want legit, not, I'm not trying to disrespect anyone else who does Cuban food in southern California places, but that is the most as someone who's Cuban and has had it all my life. That is the most authentic place in the south last close. Excellent so explain to me, what the hell is happening with Magic Johnson. Okay. So magic con. Saint. Okay. So here there's just a long series of tweets saw the Brad Turner, one initially that he was supposed to be at the coin meeting. Right. So Ramona tweets Johnson says a friend of mine called and says he wants to meet with you. Johnson told ESPN I said, no problem I'm available if that's what this man wants. But I've got a great life. I'm not trying to mess with anybody's cow. It's like he already did that this is crazy. He already missed which someone's job in the name of rob Pelinka. Well, it makes it seem like, and I don't know how real this is now because there's obviously, there's a reality. And then at times, I feel like what the Lakers, there's alternative reality. So think there's Magic's reality. He's living in a different. Yeah. That's what I mean. There are different versions of alternate realities here. So I don't know how much of this is Kawai. Now look, I do know this because Stephen A when he was on with me the last time talked about how magic has a relationship with uncle Dennis. Right. Okay. So I could see where Dennis growing up in southern California is a huge Magic Johnson fan because he's old enough to have remembered watching Showtime in the hey, day of Magic Johnson. Right. So I could see him being like now we want to be with you. What we want to meet with you. You're the Lakers. I was I was talking to another a colleague about, like, do you want magic at the meeting might perspective was no on less. Somebody wants. Somebody wants to marry. It'd be pressed by magic but you'd be impressed by Kobe right at the meeting in the guy wants some there, then you bring him. Yeah. Absolutely at show. Ramona says he can't be at the meeting. Is that what's happening? Let's see. It's so complicated. Now, Colli supposedly Mark Stein's. Well, no. Stephen says, climate a personal request Lakers that they're free agent meeting be only Jeannie bus in adjective, then that, see Stephen as saying that specifically outside of just magic that makes it seem like why doesn't wanna meet with anyone else? Right. Like that seems fair to say is that weird when they don't want the GM in the meeting like is that is not a war guy who quit it isn't normal gave me the guy who quit it isn't normal. But how. About this. What if magic is playing three dimensional chess, I don't believe he's capable again. Now, all of a sudden he decided he loved magic, but I don't think he's really dimensional chest. Sure he ever got around to giving his two weeks. He definitely did. Out the paperwork and didn't doesn't actually work for the team anymore that he might have been. Now, maybe what if he's playing three dimensional chess, though, that he, he quit to tweet and tamper legally, right? Has HR actually processed this yet. I don't know what if you quit. And they rehired him just for me. I mean rob rob can't even have a day, man. No, nobody you listen to Caspian Los Angeles can't every day. And look, you and I have been hard at him. But even this seems like kind of mean excessive right? It sets up a scenario, obviously, we don't even know what the meetings will look like it is. But just that if it played out this way, like the TV set up a scenario where the guy wouldn't even be able to take responsibility for selling the star player who harassed at the meeting. It's almost like rob wouldn't even get credit for coli coming. It's wet. Look when LeBron, the only person the met with magic released work for for the. Yes, I get it. I get it. So it's not unprecedented where the general managers not there. It's not now. That's not generally, how most teams right? It's not unprecedented. But if Kawai is dictating terms you listen. Kawai says he wants what the whatever living presidents are available who grabbed old grab available living president. Yes. That's what you do. You know, like whatever he wants you do. It doesn't feel more real than it did a couple of days ago. It does feel more real which means Greg Bergman's should have given me Showtime form should've put it on the line. Yeah. It's never going to happen, though. And what was I getting in return, you, we're going to be a helper for a day? How about maybe I would've jumped up to a week week for the whole thing. Look the God. He served time. You'll have a fan not part of it. Yeah. Say that guy works. There. It seems real because they opened up cap space, right? Once you do that every, because here's the thing, I don't think a free agent was going to be like we're gonna take a meeting. Based on the potential of you opening up caps. Right, right. To see the space. Yep. And then I'll take your meeting, then I'll take up the space with your meeting, because there is a point where it was reported that the Lakers, wouldn't even get a meeting because they didn't have the space, correct. So you get the space, you get the meeting now the timing of the meeting the, the who's in their, first of all, I think I think co is made up his mind. I don't think these meetings are particularly affect. I don't I don't believe that to be the case, especially with him because we almost cursed, we really don't know anything about him, right? He is the biggest mystery we've ever seen in these scenarios, so because of that. I think that who knows what sways him, you know, I, I mean, it, you can make the I can make the argument that Kawai maybe does it want to be on a super team. But I also make the argument that. Maybe feels like you carry too much of a load in Toronto this season in survive super team proof at this point you he's, he's immune from the criticism that Katy tongue because he already. Desert twice and LeBron by LeBron too. But we also live in a world where nothing is universal. So he's going to take some flack because that's just how people are shirt, but he folds and even to complain about something. And they want to project onto someone there negatively it's literally what the basis and business model for Twitter is. But I just think that I could sell you both ways Reich, Israel anything about. So I can tell you. Oh, yeah. I heard a wide doesn't want to be the third guy on a team on a super team. And then I could come back five minutes and be like yo you know, I heard that actually would rather play with them. Right. With this, you would know his. Nobody knows it this to me, right? Why LeBron is the only voice that really genuinely matters here and the wind how those two guys community? He's already communicated already talked to each other relate, what LeBron tells him about how this is going to work as basketball players is what matters is he going to be willing to make it? So the coup why is a feature member or gets to play in the way. Hey, that he wants to because, you know, it's not the, the, the, the pitches about off court marketing opportunities in this, and that whatever LeBron how LeBron runs sort of his exerts, his influence is really, what matters when you're talking about a guy like Kawhi, as opposed to kyri who isn't in position to say I should be able to walk in here and be the man look, this is very simple. If you're LeBron, this would be my conversation with him. It'd be like, yo. I can play Magic Johnson on this team. I'm going to be thirty five years old, and December, I can be the distributor. We don't not going to get like a real point guard. Right if he's going to be here, it's going to have to be me, and I will be the guy that gets twelve assists a game and I'll get you know fifteen to eighteen points a game. And I'll get ten boards a game, and I can be a triple double machine. He's got a Nina. Oh, no, no. It can't be like was saying when they said we get a bunch ball handlers. Great idea, six play off board. I do believe that the get a bunch of ball handlers. Wasn't his? Yeah. Whose idea idea. I believe you've seen the movie inception. Yes, I believe that there was some inception with LeBron like you've got to trust me. I know what I'm doing you need ball handed. You can't do what you didn't clean. You carry too much of the weight. Yeah. You're saying that magic you're saying that came from match magic. Yes, but also, too, I think didn't from rob. I don't know if it came from rob or not. I mean, I know it probably gave her magic is magic was in that meeting with LeBron and LeBron has no fingerprints on the signings of land. Michael all those guys to sign off on it is my guest, but I don't believe it was his original identities theories that, you know, because remember LeBron went on vacation after all this happened, and they ran by like, hey, we're thinking of Lance Rondo, and this that and he came back and didn't realize he meant all of them, right? One or two, not all of them. It was one of those things where I wonder how much you go back to all the stuff that magic was saying about constructing the team with toughness and this, that, whatever none of it was a really great idea. No, it was terrible idea. It was a terrible jump and everyone. Yup. Shouted from the mountain tops. It was a terrible idea. So let me ask you a tough question. What if on June thirtieth six o'clock or three o'clock, six o'clock eastern? You mean when we started guy got you start. Coming on. Yeah. What if Kyrie Irving calls and says, I'm ready to sign right now, but you still have to wait for the coin meeting, but he says, if you wait for Kawhi? I'm out this is this say this is an episode of shark tank. Yeah. What do you do? Tyree. You say forget about what you signed Cairo. What do you think I think he'd probably do that? Yeah. It's Burton Han. I wait. He's all in Iran. But I'm sorry. So let's add to your by round of applause by random A-plus kyri calls, six o'clock eastern on June, thirtieth and says, I'm. Hang on. I'm signing right now, but I'm not waiting kyri. Yes or no? A lot of mixed. Let's just do this. If you're a no unkindly, let me hear it. Okay. Now, if you're a yes, on Kyrie and that's nearly me here. The knows wing. Then the 'cause I waited. Koiwa kyri makes me really nervous. I had any kyri makes me really really nervous between the injury history with both guys. The only two that I wouldn't do me Butler, I wouldn't do it Jimmy Butler. I've warmed up Jimmy Butler, illicit the tips thing is overrated. He's only had two years. He's had over thirty minutes. That's not the deal. The problem Jimmy Butler is he doesn't space the floor. No question, enemy gotta figure out tire cO. I can space the floor. He doesn't space the floor well enough. No. He doesn't you'd have to figure out your shooting you have to. But you also defensively gain a lot that you don't get with kyri for example. Sure. And you also have a really you know, he served essentially as their point guard. You know, in the playoffs, he's another guy who can handle the ball and take some of that load away from the but here's the thing there. I mean, is there a chance that the Lakers have some firm indication that quiet coming? I mean, no, they don't right? So you've got to go bird in the hand with Kyrie if he says, I'm in, you're going kyri. Guys, you'll take the audience doesn't agree with your mates. That is a super team by any measurement. But here's the difference. Here's the difference. If you have LeBron AD and Kawhi, you have arguably the greatest trio in the history of the sport plane, right? But you can wind up with none of them, whether he. Whether he. Regarding. Fiery, you wait on kyri then you don't get Kawhi. And then you're slicing and dicing you're, you're twenty where. Anyway, tyree. Okay. If you think you've gotta deal somewhere else. Go ahead. Go play in Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying because we'll do it on our time. And if doesn't come here, we'll come back to you it. That's the way you got to prioritize you have to have a plan a plan b implants. And if you piss someone off so be it. You have two guys already you have to know. You get built the roster. If nobody comes, and you just feel the roster with JJ redhead slack. Hurry, eighty green correct. And those guys you're fine. And that's better and that's better than Kyrie. I mean, maybe at a premises you wanna you want one. I don't think so, but, but it it still good enough in a year. It is good enough but what's the right move? I mean what that's the question. What's the right move? Are you really banking on quite you know, if you pass on you, you're getting a meeting? But that's it. That's it. But you know what you would know that you're getting that. So why give yourself a chance not to even get him? If you know, you're actually lied having. Why saying a top five point guard knowing that you may have no guarantee on? He's no guaranteed. Because you like Georgia's saying you can fill it up with somebody else. You wait as to at least have that meeting. So you're, you're happy with that. Yeah. Absolutely. Let me tell you something. If you fill out the Rier out if you fill out the rest of the roster, if Kyrie in that hypothetical scenario tells you gets all Matt, okay, cool, and you miss out on Kyrie I mean, excuse me on Kauai go sign Darren collison who can shoot forty percent from three go to play point. But is that legitimately better than Kyrie? The some of the parts could be value of which you think is more valuable parts, Kyrie Irving by himself or the three guys you could sign which way, I would position it the drop off from co why to kyri is much greater than the drop off from Kyrie to filling out the rest of the round is triggering green. You could argue that filling out the rest of the roster's actually more valuable than Kyrie. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. What you can't do that for quite no, see if I would have said that around the horn today, I would have way more points in one as this gentleman right here. To do that. Then I got trampled all over me diet. You try to win trampling win. He I didn't win because reality is a dictator. I've told you touch points dictator. All right. That is the end of purgatory. Chapter one purgatory chapter two, it's coming up next show. But yes. That's. One right here, Brian says he won't find one picking there. There's one right there. No, I don't want that. I think that's, that's we'll get you show. We'll, we'll do shot. Next Mason, Ireland, brand cabinet ski, you are you doing the show solo today, or whose own young Misamis suco covers the Lakers, free SPF cool, that's coming up for you? ESPN LA. Hey big. Shout out to Chris, the general manager here at bar Louis. Doing a great job. Thank you so much for having us. We appreciate it. Having a blast today. Mason Brian cabinet. Ski George Sodano here. I am in the middle of a bunch of Cuban food. Yeah. Ready for the shot ready for the shot. Three ESPN. Yeah. Mike smooth. It is good. Yeah. George Clooney makes good tequila. Yes, he does. Yes, he does. And he's so handsome is it's got that too, you're not going to take the shot with us next time Asian glow glow last time. So what's going on? You know. Okay. So by the way, own Yama suit covers the Lakers for yes. PS this moment. Magic Johnson thing is why I asked magic on the night that he stepped down. You're supposed to be the face of this franchise, especially you were the closer for free agents. What happens now free agency when you are not going to be in those meetings, we'll be fine. But. I've started thinking qui- wants a meeting with the Lakers. Robin Lincoln, Frank Vogel. They need more spice in that room than just that. So I was talking to somebody in the Lakers, and I said, what do they do? Like who do you send in? It's gotta be LeBron writing and somebody mentioned, well, what about Kobe? Kobe can't do an official meeting either. Right. Right. Right. Right. And when did this start, by the way, the not allowed to do an official meeting? I always thought you gathered the legends for meetings like this. I don't think you can this is why I think they always put the stars on the videos. Right. Had this whole, like celebrities, Spike Lee, wait a minute, three k D's recruitment didn't the Boston Celtics, Tom Brady was, but he wasn't at the meeting. Oh, at the way they met on the like on the actual tarmac. Do any of you guys know what technically defines an official meeting? That guess it would mean where you and the agent or meeting with the teachers, and so someone from the Lakers. Asked me what happens if kyri wants to meet at the exact same time is by which teams are used to write. Right. Whatever, you know, twelve and one AM. Cocker who did a Laker sin now. Maybe rob would go to that one, so your general manager is not going to be in the meeting with the biggest free agent. I mean, if he doesn't want him there. What are you going to do? You know what I mean? Like no offence. This is why I know extended step down pinned as the ROY. He shouldn't have stepped down. He should have at least stayed on as a consultant. And in that capacity could meeting. Yeah. So the tweets say that they wanted magic. They want magic genie. Magic genie heaven talk to their happy speeding Jeanie said that last song. Is pretty ridiculous. When you think about it, right? Yeah. I mean it's, it's what I've come to love about being here to cover this team. It's just like every day, there's a different twist and turn that you couldn't write a script like this. I mean other teams they just have a meeting. Yeah. We have a big debate about who should be in who will be medic. We're actually debating but not only comedian not only that, it seems like magic is more involved on a daily basis that he was when he was the team. This weird. Ask compared, it perfectly earlier this week where you said this feels like a social media break-up, right? Magic the Lakers. It's complicated right now. Oh, it's beyond complicated. Right. But like this is amazing. Feels like uncle. Dennis may be reached out to magic. Hey magic we want you in the room. That's what I think. Right. Yeah. Although, how much this is magic just trying to maintain his relevance in all this. So there's his fingerprints are somehow credit this. It's all of it makes you got somebody from the Lakers mentioned that to me that bunch of people in the organization felt when magic went on. I take it was like magic is really fighting the stay relevant, and I was like, I don't feel that way. And but date there are people in the organization that felt that way. Yeah, that magic was just like scraping and clawing to remain relevant. Why then clawed them up. I think he was trying to in his mind distance himself from the stuff that might have gone wrong. Right. He what magic is not somebody who likes the idea of people walking around thinks thinking he's bad at stuff like the fallout from him resigning was you handle that poorly. And you know what on second, look you might not have been very good at your job. That's not something he wants out there. So if he can deliver to killing him that they got Anthony Davis right now. They have max base, and they might get another big fish. And this is what he was supposed to do. But if he's the guy who's in the meeting, then he delivered coli Leonard. How great would it be if he's back as president of basketball? How about that? Is it twist that surreal it would be Larry's we just come full circle, b like sorry, my bad. I'm back. Pelinka feel about what let me, let me do. Let's do it this way. How many times did feel safe? I'm out. I'm back. I'm out. Oh, true. Almost in Bram almost back Mike did Tony, forget it. Yeah. I mean it's not like it's that would be unprecedented with the. It's as if he's like doing seasonal work at banana Republic. He's there and then he's not there. I mean as he working on an hourly. How does this happen, man? This is insane. But look, what are the odds, do you think? That this that this works that what is this, that the Kawai gambit works, and they actually land? Listen the night, I think that when they cleared the cap space, I don't think it was one of the key, a case where, you know, usually when they do that. The team knows are getting somebody right? But, like I feel like the night before they cleared to cap space. I was told by somebody Kate through back channels. Kyrie's people. Wondering how close can you get to the max? And so, I think maybe the Lakers were like if we have a chance of quiet we have a chance to Cairo. Because here's the thing. Thing with Kyrie is this is that there's plenty of smoke about the nets our lives. We love Kyrie if he brings. K D. Yeah. But if he doesn't bring K D. Hey, maybe we'll just stay with the engineer. Already out if the nets are out that Lee don't basic, but if they are you have to have some sort of backup plan in that basically forces kyri to the Lakers, what I was told. Sons who knows. Kyrie's camp. There's some people that feel you need to hit your wagon and be with Anthony Davis, right? And the other and then KAI kyri and his and his people also like, well, we like you knew in Brooklyn. Right. I feel like the nets as the way to go. Right. So now I think they're camp is really trying to figure out what the there's no downside to the Lakers opening up his cap space, particularly for next year because Wagner, Isaac Bonga and Jamaica Jones working to help organise, right? But there is one hundred percent. The possibility of other these other guys whether it's Butler or kyri, or whomever, leveraging the Lakers, and they're available cap space in that way say, if you can get, as close to the number we'll take meeting because you really need to make sure that, you know, that Brooklyn doesn't let them go or that the Knicks come through with an offer or whatever it is, if that happens, you still got the meeting. Maybe you get a chance to actually get the guy and if not you sign one extra player that you need anyway. But that's definitely a possibility. Well. I think our job is done here. So Domingo he gone day. What time we PM on Sunday, we are live with the Mingo got ta when free agency open now I heard you richest that you were doing four hours you're doing three to seven what happened to that. I don't exactly know the otter is trying to decide exactly what three to five three to five. And then I was. I believe is just gonna do Lakers, talk until six AM on Monday morning. They will do it. Nobody's going to be there to kick him out. Yeah. No. So that's Domingo. He gone. Domingo's. Mingo calling in at some point, we will have you on for sure. It's all presented by Buffalo Wild Wings. Yes. Thank you. Very is it presented by Showtime forum. No, it's not it really should be though. Yes, it will be. It will be just. So I went to pick up the Cuban food. Yeah. The Cuban food, by the way, fantastic. I'm glad you liked it. There was a gentleman there named John who was just a patron, and he said to tell you Mason, you're always wrong, and Greg is right? Not true. It's not true. Johnson. Yeah. I am the talent. I know I said, no Greg's donor. Nice job is never riding except if he's right about the colliding he literally might streak naked or all's knew. He will his mom about naked, but he's gonna lose his mind. He this only one way to St.. Exactly. Exactly. Great seen Brian. Thank you very much. Everybody in Greg Brian. That's cool. George Brian sorry cabinets ski.

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"Quick Warning I, this episode is dark and intended from audiences. Any swearword than it, but we do talk about torture and human suffering not in a super graphic way that's gonna make you vomit, but it does come up. So if that bothers, you maybe skipped us one. Young me. Park was born in Nineteen ninety-three in North Korea, she grew up with her mother father and sister in a small house near the Chinese border in two thousand, seven young me's older sister had escaped from North Korea by herself nobody knew what happened to her or where she was her family didn't even know if she was alive or not young me and her mother decided it was time to risk their lives and escape from North Korea to the paid someone to smuggle them into China leaving their father behind knowing full well that if they got caught trying to leave North Korea, they would likely go to prison. So they crossed into China, but even China was not safe for them. If the Chinese police government catches North Korean defectors, they send them back to North, Korea. So young men and mother had stay hidden while in China and rely on whoever was kind enough to help them. But unfortunately, there's a really bad sex in human trafficking problem in China and North Korean. Defectors are especially vulnerable because they're so desperate and the Chinese government does not grant them a status young me and her mother were captured by one of these sex trafficking rings young me was thirteen and her captor wanted to have sex with her but her mother begged him not to an ultimately let herself get raped order despair young me. Each day young me in her mother tried to find ways to escape out of their situation. In China at this point young, me was thirteen and was sold as a sex slave for three hundred US dollars. She was separated from her mother too. So imagine how scared she must have been. She was alive but she was terrified every day at some point her father came to look for them and found young me in China but he was very sick and shortly upon finding young me he died. She cremated her own father secretly at three am so she wouldn't be caught. She continued on her journey to escape from both North Korea and her slave owners in China. The best option she had was to find a way to get all the way to Mongolia where they don't send north. Koreans back. If she could get to Mongolia, she thought she'd be safe but this is about a thousand miles to travel. It's like going from Florida to New York all while staying hidden without money and in a country that you don't speak the language. But she was determined her life depended on it. So she escaped from her enslavers captors and began trekking across. China towards Mongolia again. She just thirteen years old. She would move at night in the freezing cold with only the stars to guide her, and this was the lowest point in her life to have gone so far to escape so many evil people in the dark lost and cold. She last hope for everything. She felt down in the dark and just felt like not kidding up. Freezing to death was a better option than going forward. And when you think nobody cares for you, you can feel like there's no reason to live. But she did get back up and continued to crawl under barbed wire in the dark and made it into Mongolia, and from there she was sent to South Korea where she was able to connect with human rights groups and they were able to help her. And while this is the most harrowing story, I've ever read, there's something about this decision of risking your life to escape from North Korea that captivates me. Because in north. Korea the brainwash hugh into believing that the supreme leader and the country are the best in the world and more important than anything. And you should put all your wants desires aside to help the supreme leader. So it's not just about escaping from a country, but I you have to undo that mindset that's been forced into you since you were born and to take that leap of faith that even though you have no idea what the world is like on the other side of that border, you just hope that it's a better life than what's North Korea? Young Me Park. Took that leap of faith and made it to the other side and that's the mystery I want to figure out what does it take for people to escape tyranny and seek freedom? But to figure this out, I'm GonNa need some help My Name is young park I was in Hesse North Korea. These are true stories from the dark side of the Internet. I'm Jack reciter. This is dark net diaries. Support for this episode comes from last pass by log. 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Start Your free fourteen day trial with last passed by visiting last pass dot com slash dark met once more that's last pass dot com slash dark net to get a fourteen day trial. Okay Yeah. We're going to go deep into North Korea on this episode, but to talk about the mindset on why people defect doesn't sound like a tech hacker story, it yet will true I promise there is tech involved in the story and it's actually tech that you have laying around your home that can help people in North Korea, and we'll get to that I promise just have a little patience at first. You might also think how is North Korea related to stories about the dark parts of the Internet? Well, it's dark place I. Mean you're literally it is. The talk is placed on earth. If you the Gore satellite photos, it is truly the blackhawks. Of. The. Seniors I mean these are Earth Eli's. Yeah I whenever think what north? Korea. I do not see I don't remember any color just everything sinks me gray. I want to understand what life is like in North Korea, and that's why have done me here. She was born in the town of hasten and North Korea and nineteen, ninety-three would. Twenty seven now. Now. His son is in the northern part of north. Korea. In fact, it's right on the border of China the only thing separating Hayes on North Korea and China is the Yalu River as me grew up, she would play in the river. Yeah. I was playing at the riverbank can seem China seeing the case from Chinese side was. Really were fed. You could see the kids on the Chinese side. To really allow river. So maybe new, you can even hear what they're saying they ask you questions like you know. Are you hungry? You're hungry. Did. You tell me aboard more about this river. Did you like wash your clothes in there? Did you bathe in there? Yeah. So you North Korea that. You're like. Me Your Bader bottom class as S. So. Now, we have the run machines or shower anything like that. Or we could do was going to revert now wash our hair. Body there in Washington reclosed get the water from the river to home to drink coke. Was the main source for us to do anything the daily living. But. But it's the north part which is cold in the winter. Did you also on the winner? The Ranger ranch definitely, I couldn't even goes Howard immune took a bath there but the ranger is there had to go to wash your. Clothes and water. So you, it is freezing that somebody figures off all in the flaws mattiello neighbor. And in the whole, actually a lot of times a dog foreign DECI and get drawn. And, it's really risky thinking beer but knew what can you do life? Everyday life in Beth station not bothered the by that kind of danger and. Not because you need water to survive, there's no like your comes in the house you have to go get the water. Wash, your clothes. Side member like in the winter time. You know you might just go like. Nothing bats for months. By doesn't your city have running water and running electricity. The regime I mean only chose the city of. But Tar and the rest of the. PINCI. They consider the not as Royer as those the People Union Kanye. North Korean government the regime is diagnosed that they. Re are fed were if we are comfortable, you know that's human nature to think about the what's the meaning of life know what is happening indoor? When your so desperate, you're like verge of death. Been, you're starving you do not have printing about the meaning of life. You can have kind of thing a lot like. Kristen. His origin nuts. They roar we do we the complete control. On the regime uses establish in as a tour to control the population so they they choose not to make us conference of religious not to make us fearful. So that is just exactly why Some people don't have it. The regime has enough resources to these people and get all facilitate they choose not to. In order to control. I think it's important to understand why there's no food water or electricity and Yanni's town. So we'll do a quick five minute. North? Korean history lesson. One Hundred Years Ago Japan had taken over the whole Korean Peninsula then in the nineteen, forty s world war to happen and Japan bombed the US Naval Base Pearl Harbor US didn't like this. So the bomb Japan back but the US had bigger a nuclear bomb was detonated in Japan. But Japan didn't surrender. So a second nuclear bomb was detonated in Japan with that in nineteen forty Japan surrendered. Now when they surrendered that was both US troops and Soviet troops in the Korean Peninsula. Either wanted to leave. So they both agreed just split career right down the middle and established its own countries on both sides sort of like how Germany got split into East and West Germany. Korea got split into North and South Korea US established the Republic of Korea for the South or soul would be the capital the Soviets in the north in nineteen, forty, eight, they established the Democratic People's Republic of, Korea DP arcade. But I don't believe it's Democratic or Republican despite the name it's been rated the least democratic country on earth. One of the first things the Soviets needed to do was establish a new leader they held so called elections, but it's widely believed those votes didn't count and the Soviets just placed Kim. Il Sung as the first leader of North Korea Kim Il Sung developed an ideology called Juche which was focused on the principles of national. Independence and self reliance. Whole idea was that North Korea wouldn't need to rely on any other governments or global powers in order for a nation to thrive. This idea was taken to the extreme. The leader was soon calling himself the supreme leader and was convincing everyone that he personally was feeding and giving close to the people North Korea and he would also say that he personally liberated North Korea from its oppressors by fighting in the wars. And he would make the teachers teach us in school and after decades of it being taught was instilled. Because if you didn't believe it. Taken away tortured or beaten. Or brought down and social rank. See North Korea has this very harsh caste system. Those that show great loyalty to the country or leader will be given a higher class compared to those who don't. So anyone who fought in the war against Japan was in the highest class knows who were farmers or even lawyers were the lowest class the people of the higher classes get better things that get to live closer to the supreme leader, and then get things like food electricity and water people in the lower class they don't get that. Now the North Koreans relied heavily on aid from the Soviet? Union. which was still their biggest ally and sent them food electricity and supplies. So when the Soviet Union broke apart in the early nineteen nineties, it had an immediate impact on north. Korea they lost their biggest ally no more food or aid was sent. This resulted in a sharp loss for north. Korea had been getting resources from the Soviet Union. The North Korean economy almost completely collapsed. They tried to get help from China but China couldn't keep up with all the help that was requested. So North Korea simply went without it could not provide enough water food and supplies for the nation. But besides that, in the same decade, nineteen nineties, a great famine came over North Korea the country could not grow enough food for its own people, and since everything is government controlled, the caste system went into even stronger affect only the people who were the most loyal could eat. The least oil would starve to death. This was an extremely cruel way to control the minds of the people and get them to be even more obedient than ever which often meant turning in your friends or family. If you saw them doing things against the rules, they might get tortured. Just so you could eat a little that day. Showed more loyalty. The combination of the Soviet Union breaking apart and not sending aid and this famine and the strict government regime meant that hundreds of thousands of people were dying maybe as much as three million North Koreans died in the nineteen nineties. In Nineteen ninety-four Kim Il Sung died of a heart attack. His son immediately took over Kim Jong. Il. He was ruthless and cruel to punishing people even more harshly if they broke even the smallest laws make a phone call outside the country. Yeah. You might be put to death for that. Kim Jong Il died in two thousand eleven new immediately his son took over Kim Jong UN who still rolls today. So in the short span since North Korea was created in nineteen forty eight. There have been only three leaders, all of which are from the same family, all of whom ruled as dictators. The all tried to rule without relying on imports from other nations and they have stood by their ideology with pride, but it's gone so far. Now it's practically occult your obedience to the leader is tested on a daily basis. You can't leave the country it strictly forbidden. You must worship the supreme leader, Kim Jong Un, and do everything he tells you to. There's no justice. There's no. Now schmear lights there's no dignity in in any stance. Humans tweets. This is only king the dictator. Country this. Porto holiday cater people leave for Decatur, worshiping the dictator is woven into every aspect of life there his picture is hung in every house in school and everyone has meetings every week to discuss how you worshiped the dictator and how you can do better next week. Then, you critique each other in the meetings to telling them how they can do better worshipping him in North Korea you and your opinions wants desires dreams. They don't matter only the leader does in our Korea, nobody asked me what I thought like road. I Wanna I like what I dislike. It was not even a concept as a concept for people to ask each other. So when someone at like ours Cuiaba snuggle favorite color for us to like they re like. Are Not as. Easy. Easiest North, Korea. We don't stay right every time we start Masumi say me. And say, they're really love red because it's the revolutionary caller. Can you imagine going your whole life nobody ask you what your favorite color was. We're actually you weren't even allowed to have a favorite color. It's simply must be read because that's what the supreme leader wants you to have as a favorite color. Or let me put it to you like this. We typically have many meetings for the word love you can love your spouse or partner. Okay. But you can also love a friend or you can love playing a game or you might love some music or you might have love for humankind and just want to help those in need. You might actually love yourself either in a narcissistic way or in a more healthy way. But North Korea none of that exists they do not experience any of this. The only love nor allowed to experience is love for the supreme leader. It's madness. Can you imagine not knowing what love is except for the one person who told you that you have to love them? Now even though the country tries to be independent, it's not it relies heavily on imports to keep its people have. We're not talking about luxury goods here we're just talking about basic food and clothes and is in fact, young his father had a job handling these imports initially started doing sharer dried fish rice crop. He was a civil servant doing work for the government but see in North Korea, it's extremely hard to get by with whatever. You make your job is just not enough is barely enough to get by just yourself much less to try to support a family and this is common in most of North Korea, people have to find extra work to survive, and often people find something illegal to do to survive, and you don't have enough resources to survive. So importing illegal goods becomes a necessity to live especially when just a narrow river is, what separates your country from China? You can set up some agreement to toss things back and forth or swim across go into town by something swim back. Because her father was working with imports, he found a way to trade metals with people in China copper nickel silver was doing this you legally which helped him earn just enough to keep his family life barely enough food but still no water or electricity in their house and Yanni's house was her her sister, her mom and dad. Wendy, her dad got caught trading these metals to China, and that's why he got him in trouble and he said to labor can for that because her dad was trading metals with China to earn just a little extra delib was sentenced to seventeen years in prison. and. This made life much harder for. Only nine. Now around this time young me her friend who she knew her friend's mom would sometimes get a hold of illegal movies that were snuck into North Korea. Ashini. She still a lot of micro Hollywood the. South Korean and other like foreign movies and are. So she led lended other people. So as to Kinda distribute this, this tributed the forward information. And she was publicly executed for for doing bads what executed for watching a movie. That's insane. With. That's what North Korea believes. They have to do to keep their people obedience at think the problem was that. Lesnar can you cannot have in July cannot watch for information. Weekend like simply here of Golden Movie, Theater and watch movie but. In those created much movie can get your Gig Kids. That's another reason why North Korea is a dark place not only? Is there no imports of foreign films or music? There's no Internet people of North Korea cannot access the Internet. No emails youtube no podcasts or news. There's one TV Channel One guess what's on it pro North Korean propaganda and everyone's given a radio and the only radio station that the radio works on is a pro North Korean propaganda radio station and I. Think you actually have to listen to it uncertainties to hear what the supreme leader is doing. was there any sort of computers in school for you? Know. I never even heard the word like even Internet or Sim The computer in my life in identify everyone maybe heard the word slyly. So mayor but never signal, it was not even anyone's. Life No of course in atone has almost no electricity. This makes sense. Of course she wouldn't ever see a computer, but in the big city of John Young they do have computers but it still very rare that people who are Indo elite. A crash income now. They do have the Internet. That the regime created to distribute like a lot of propaganda like mature years. Intranet not intern. Taken a absence like Google and facebook they have intranet that is Iraqi suit really strictly controlled by the government. Okay. And in some schools might have died and some libraries. Ensure sure income young they do but I never seen anything in my eyes. So I don't exactly where they have but the people from my elite class towards the use the Internet. Now, you might wonder what kind of computers they have in North Korea like are the windows machines Max they actually have their own operating system that they've made themselves called read storrow s red. Star being the symbol of their country, and this is actually a modified linic system, but it's severely restricted. It has fire Fox on it, but they renamed it and it's called my country. Instead when you open it, you can only go to a handful of state sponsored north, Korean websites. It's been reported that whatever you do on a North Korean computer gets screen shotted and. Saved. So the police can check and monitor your usage history and an even restricts what files can be opened on it and I think what bothers me the most about North Korea is this full control over the information that the people are allowed to consume. There's literally no way to research anything or fact check it outside the information that's given to them by their government. This ability to control what information the citizens no is, what keeps them obedient? They literally don't know what the rest of the world is like or that they're being treated extremely poorly, they are told over and over since they were born that the rest of the world is terrible and they are being treated with love and great care. So they believe it it's only know. Now when he was young living in North Korea and her uncle got a copy of the movie titanic to one with Leonardo. Dicaprio and she got a chance to watch. It was dubbed. Korean. So she could understand it and she knew this was dangerous and she might get in trouble if she was caught but she watched it anyway was. As younger to watch because. And never seen anything like that knows degree there's no Romeo and Juliet we do Narita. Shakespeare. Re Do not have love zones and books and in a watching a movie. Made for. Love. Story which I learned in Korea I had to I thought it was a shame for thing to love somebody. You know there's no even a vocabulary North Korea that we have for love. The only allowed to use the word. Love. When we describe our feelings towards the deal leader and the party. I never heard like my mom or my father says each other like they love each other date. Love me even. So seeing that movie in all our men by foot woman like. It was over thing. It did it give me A. Turning. Moment where I thought. Something might be different in the were, and maybe the outside words may not be that bad. Because North Korea. Expecting a George Orwell's nineteen eighty four. They say they are enemies trying to attack US constantly we have our dear like illegal to. Protecting us from his monsters coming to us than polar chairs you know. So they pitch hot to hey, our enemies since birth. And had to be for for your leader to protect this. So saying that movies like go at thought like all Americans were leg bastards at monsters. It didn't seem like that. Mogi. So yeah. That definitely gave me some case of freedom and humanity thinks and what a strange way to I understand that concept of humanity by watching titanic. But yet, it was so powerful at the same time to secretly peer into another culture that you aren't supposed to see be struck by a completely new concept such as low. End Remember she somehow watch this even though she didn't have electricity and while the tone high electric city and her house was wired to the grade. The thing is, is that the town just never turned on the electricity for the people living there? No beginning I mean. We either have electricity sometimes like the government gives a lecture city on the data daily birthday. Or like New Year's Day. Those days they won they electric city you can watch. Them, two years. Some other kind nice dumber time you know if the The water may be surprised. Good. They give like Alexi you one seem few months. So you know, you definitely get a few good times a year. So, you know sometimes in our to finish your movie like movie, Titanic? Long? Movie. Can. Take months to finish. Movie. I do remember really like whenever the electricity came like. It was the happiest thing happened events in my life. The is cropping everyone was you know gone like, Holiday Inn like everyone the horlick talents claps. That's how happy we were how. How much that made us? Happy other North Korean borders are up pretty tight. Their military guards all along the borders making sure nobody is sneaking out nothing is getting snuck in. There are still ways to get stuff through and one way to learn how to do that was to look at. Germany. See there's actually a few surprising similarities between North Korea and Germany the end of world. War Two both countries were split apart with half being. Occupied in both Germany and north. Korea? There was east and West Germany with the iconic Berlin Wall keeping people from coming in and out. Well, the Germans wanted to send propaganda over the wall to the other side. So they would time messages to balloons, flip them over. In fact, that's what That's what this song is all about sending propaganda using balloons over the border. Strategy. Straight. Red Alerts or machine. Spring Soleil focusing on sky would a strange world that we live in our military is instructed to shoot balloons in fear that information might come into the country that you don't want your people to have not false information not lies just little bits of truth. The Koreans begin sending balloons to both sides would send propaganda over to the other side when the wind was right North Korea would send balloons into South Korea with messages and South Korea would send balloons in and North Korea with messages and yes military was instructed to shoot balloons that would float over eventually a treaty was signed where South Korea would agree to stop sending balloons if they could have a meeting with the president of North, Korea and this happened so stop sending them. But the balloons were effective they were working. They were getting past the guns and into the hands of the people and they were reading it. This was slowly opening their eyes. So human rights groups saw how effective this was and began floating their own balloons. In the North Korea. It just wasn't state-sponsored anymore human rights groups were sending information in like sports, scores, news pictures of sexy women doing anything they could to entice the North Koreans to escape. But, this had a limited effect I mean, how much information can you put on leaflet? So next, we have the radio in North Korea. There's one radio station in your radio is permanently said to that station. You have to know how to hack the thing in order to pick up other stations and there are human rights, groups, broadcasting radio waves into north. Korea but of course being caught with a hacked radio would result in a big punishment prison torture maybe execution. So here we are with this major problem of trying to figure out how to get information into the darkest network on Earth. How do we do this? After the break we'll talk with somebody who is doing it. 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There are people who are smuggling information into North Korea and these people really fascinate me and it might pheasant you too. So I want you to meet Alex. my name is Alex Gladsden I'm the chief strategy officer for the Human Rights Foundation. We're a nonprofit based in New York City with a global focus and. Help people who live under authoritarian governments alyx joined the human rights founded in two thousand seven and started as an intern. In that summer my job was to put together backpacks of information, which would be taken by Latin American colleagues and smuggled into Cuba to the underground library then so Juba. You can't have a booker movie legally speaking without it being approved by the Communist Party. Of course, like the the amount and Brian Information that people can as legally officially. Limited and obviously, very propaganda. Driven So we sent in all kinds of movies dubbed into Spanish e books. You know everything from animal farm to be prevent data and would like bead and watch these things in their homes and create small discussion groups. In this program we ran for several years was really successful and give us the confidence and expertise I would say to be able to say, Hey, putting information into the. Hands of people who have under an information monopolies actually really important for for a whole bunch of reasons Why don't you try to help people every see here's the way I look at it. I T's stands for information technology. The entire point of it is to find effective way of exchanging information between two people or places or machines whatever and hacking typically involves stealing information weren't supposed to have. But here in North Korea, we have an anomaly. A problem. Even we're here in the year twenty twenty now. How can we use technology effectively to get information into North Korea? This is an it problem like no other. And if we could somehow inject information into the country, what would be the perfect Elixir of truth that would be the most impactful to the people there to get them to either leave or overthrow their regime. Last decade they were seeing DVD's getting smuggled into North, Korea with all kinds of foreign movies and shows on them. This was eye opening to a lot of North Koreans educating them and teaching them about all the different cultures of the world which opened their eyes to realize their own country might not be so good. But the government caught onto this and came up with a solution. England CDs in these is I mean they were raised for a long time, but the problem is now. So what the government will do, sometimes, it's in just shut down the electricity in village in and they'll come into your house in the look at what was your player? Yes. That's one of the tactic garments us today. Early do to control what we think Ri- and pepper stickle risk their life to watch this for information. And China is a Gr- stores, the smugglers China and bring this DVD's to you know the foreign information movies. And then people watch this the garment tried really try to be tricky. They give the electric out of nowhere found. That happens you can really get the DVD out of the player and the the police would get is people and punish them send them to camp or sometimes even know education. You say if you get caught with a DVD. From another country, you might get executed for that. So it's set. The thing is that the this dictatorships is that they are not consistent. They don't kind of execute someone like go for eating cow like my mom. So these young men got executed because he stalled cal from the farm the. Good the union and she had TV. So he ate the cow and that was used a crime that he was executed like the human life is less valuable in Cali North Korea. And sometimes not. So the garments lake is not always a executing people for watching phone information, but they've been they WANNA make us showcase when they when I spread the fear I go on the show people distance what you're GonNa be like you know this isn't what you're going to get if you rush for information so they do like his showcases and then execute people but I do was a hero people that who wasn't executed for watching TV THEY Just sent to prison camp. So yeah, technically, you can definitely get executed for watching something. like like no bans information that garbage don't want to like watch. So, it sounds like CD's and DVD's aren't a good solution here. So what people have been doing is putting information on USB flash drives and sometimes as D cards because you can easily take them out and hide them if the power shut off your house and you can put a lot more information on them compared to DVD's to the other thing is that I mean it sounds worth lying. In a pinch, you can swallow it right. On. The defectors have told the so as e cards are really interesting because they're really super tiny right So obviously, super easy to conceal the smaller we can make storage technology. But easier to to get information is into dictatorships arguable be birth or Tehran soup. To control an avid awfully. So Alex developed a plan to sneak USB drives into North Korea, and called the project flash drives for freedom and that's what we assessed by the Plaster Freedom Initiative is that Hey, there needs to be a way to get everybody in the world involved with getting information North Korea. So it's come up with an idea someone on my colleagues Jim were not in with the name last drives freedom and some guys Leo Burnett the Really Prominent Company decided to volunteer to create that injury that you've seen, which is like the King John Face with the blue background with USB mouth and we debuted at South by Southwest Twenty Sixteen and we've raised Enough support to be able to send in his point within seventy thousand last drives in North Korea, and you just think about that for a second there's about twenty, five, million people in North Korea and seventy thousand he was east I mean each one gets shared a lot remember these are very valuable. So at only is each movie watched by like small group alike, once you're done with it, you get somebody else. So based on our fieldwork, each foster gets shared his ten times. So we're talking like close to a million people who've been directly influenced by the work that we've done and we think potentially a lot more when you think about a other effects More support from people, we can make a much bigger difference. This is the strangest way to hack. I've ever seen picture the whole country of North Korea like a super secure network nothing gets in or out of there, and your goal is to get data into the network and not so poisoner corrupted but no, it's just to correct the data that's in there. The Dida inside North Korea is poison. The antidote is on the USB drives. So how'd you hack this network to get the data in well I? Guess it would start with I don't know maybe a school in Wisconsin ears about. The drive read about in the media. So they do little collection at lunch time and they mail US six last drives. So they go to our collection in Palo Alto normally. Usually, flashers receiver new at third not new week we work security experts to to wipe them. In a in a in his liaison can. Point. They're packaged up shits to South Korea to our partners are several. Organizations there as I. mentioned led by North Koreans. Focus on getting this stuff in to South Korea. So at that point, the drive arrived at their offices and they've been running these focus groups k. In previous weeks of this day that we're talking about They've been sitting down recent people who've arrives to South, Korea North Korea and interviewing them about What kind of content is hot right now or what's like interesting right now and they'd also been doing. Like sessions where the watch the play certain content and see how it rates. Right. So it's SORTA like with the United States but you know we're trying to get the most impossible. So once once once a batch is determined, once a particular mix of perhaps interviews, defectors, dramas, soap operas, movies, Navy, some outside a piece of news. Some of them are like have the Gosper like they have the vibe reverses some of them have you know the American TV show friends or though in the housewives the out this shows. Or you know the fact shows or like Sitcom or like No. One's particular Elixir of truth is is is. Is Mixed and put on to the drives they have these machines where you can basically. It, looks like a surge protector being basically do like twenty drives at times. They are you know packaged up and flung into China, how many are how many are packaged on this mission? How many would go at once? Yeah. It's it's pretty slow because of how. Delicate processes but. I, mean, you're usually talking a couple of hundred at a time. To do more at scale, which the we've done has just required. A lot of creativity which which I won't go into the details obviously. But say you fly into one of the cities and China's North Korea. And you had towards the border. Now there's a few different ways to get things into North Korea like, for instance, stir people like John Mese father who would import food items, and in the country he had to go into China to get the stuff and bring it back after all, he was a civil servant had permission to do this. See, China. And North, Korea border each other and often there's a small town on the Chinese side of the border. So he'd go across the border into the Chinese town as part of his job in these Chinese towns are like markets. So there are equal. Chinese people who are selling everything from solar panels to clothing food. And North Koreans come in and buy them and then and then bring them into into north. Korea. So it's like there are these bridges. Yeah. There's lots of like. Truck and car activity or even just pedestrian activity. In. The winter the whole thing freezes over that just walk across see. Yeah. Why not just give people at these Chinese markets, a ton of these usb drives for free and then see if they can help get them into North Korea somehow, and this Chinese shopowners will probably charge for it but at least that's available to buy if somebody's looking around for these things he blocked US Eastern. Movies or ordinance articles or something is like it's like basically gold. so people will. Get it. Yeah. If you know a certain Chinese market might have some people. North Korea will find a way to get to that market and get them instead of even sending in like free recorded flash drives. Sometimes. Like people will ended like a giant terabyte drive as an. Packed with with content and then a whole bunch of empty ones so that the person can kind of act like a a like a disseminator. So you can really think about it like buying illegal drugs in a country in a democracy. So sort of the same thing like you might go to the market and kind of look around furtively neo maybe you see someone who who you're like And then you kind of exchange words and and you follow them and so to a quieter place and do a deal will you pay for flash drives instead of paying for weed or something? You're you're paying for a flash drive with outside contents on it? You bring that home, you wash it with your family and then you share it it's kind of like the whole, the whole life cycle here. Okay that's one way to do it. There's certainly a high level of rescue too but again, being able to have these small USB drives means you can conceal it pretty well. Get it across the border, but there's another way to do it. Alex works with people to actually smuggle the drives into North Korea themselves. which has to be quite the adventure in super secretive. So I'm not GonNa go to the actual details of this because that would be really dangerous. But generally speaking There are trust networks. So when you defect from North Korea you're paying someone to take you physically out of North Korea across the river and push on some sort of track to freedom now sometimes they are. malicious and they seventy percent of all people leave North Korea women and a lot of them. By some accounts nearly all of them get sucked into some SORTA traffic ring. But some of the people obviously the folks who eventually make it out bound some sort of human network that got them from North Korea where they made it from. Now when you get out and you come to South Korea and you're now free person and you're thinking about what to do, you still can contact that person or those people. So these networks of people who go back and forth are known to North train defectors and each North Korean defector has unique escape route that they took. So there's like thousands and thousands and thousands of these human networks that help people get North Korean into China and eventually to freedom words education ending what happens but each of these like whether it's on a boat or across the frozen river or. Under the eyes of a bribed official at military tower many many different ways to escape, and every way of escape is, is also a way of sending something in that makes sense. Again I can't overstate this enough that this is so extremely risky. If you get caught North Korea doing this, it's really bad news for you. North. Korea has a lot of concentration camps. So the worst case scenario is if you get caught, you might go to one of these concentration camps and never come back. But those who do make it back have horrifying stories stories of being tortured to heinous degrees and I don't even want to explain. What I've heard because it's just stuff that you'll never forget an it's sickening but even knowing that you might get caught and tortured people still try to smuggle these USB drives over the border. But sometimes even when you get caught their ways out of it when it comes to the government there you know they would like to say they're the most your whatever country in the world, but it's all it's probably must trump entering the world's and. Especially, the soldiers who are sitting out there right now we're filming this on cast in in December. So it's like a Siberian winter. Literally, there's Russia's orders right there as well, and we're talking one of the most brutal winter climates in the world. So you know you're sitting out there in the freezing snow probably would not heat or whatever, and you're just kind of assigned to watch river order Yes. Someone cut you encounter somebody and you're the only one there and this massive like kind of course, region and you. You like Iraq find someone WHO's trying to escape if they're like what if I give you all of this, all these cigarettes or whatever will you let me go? You're probably GONNA say yes there's like a lot of bribing happens and a lot of these officials of getting sucked into these information rings. These are just a few ways to get drives into North Korea. I'm sure there's been experiences with people floating packages down the river or balloons over or even flying drones, and then dropping some and then flying them back real quick. And once these flash drives get into. North. Korea it becomes part of their grey market. It sounds more like a black market to me but Alex says it's a great market. I say gray market is technically like it's supposed to be a communist state. The government has realized that they can't provide for the. the average annual income is way higher than the than the national wage writes. Everybody's doing a little something on the side insert arbitrage and sort of buying selling all throughout North Korea and a lot of that stuff that they're moving around and buying and selling came from China. So again, just like this massive influx of outside stuff When Someone gets caught I mean. A, large percentage of those people are able to bribe their way out of it the people who were not able to bribe their way out of it. Several different things can happen. is spoken to people who've been basically put in prison or couple of weeks says a lesson maybe tortured. But not killed put in prison camp. Then of course, there who are. Who are put into a prison camp or you know counterrevolutionary activities this is absolutely happens and said not just one person, but maybe the family too. I mean depending on what what kind of example they WANNA make out of you right so it's always about of human context so if you're in a Particular city or town in North Korea. You're. A Emblematic person who's who represents like. You know who is a prominent person in that area and you're caught You know they may want to make an example out of you writes they may Oh, big deal of it and round up your own end your takeaway men never seen again right so how? How help blood thirsty is the government to try to find these things because you said earlier, they make shut off the power to try to find CDs and drives barrier the very. Because their entire architecture power relies on having an information monopoly if a certain percentage of the north. Korean people realize what they're told that they're the lucky people in the world. Then everything else dumpster fire is not true. Things change very quickly. So it's just a matter of time I mean right now I, mean. No one really knows but certainly less than half of North Koreans actually. No. A good grasp of what the outside will like is probably closer to less than a third maybe even less than a quarter No one really knows there's no way to do a comprehensive study. You can interview people who've escaped. Of course, you're getting by sample size right or getting your only interviewing people manage to escape per second time little fraction of actual population Let's say it's like for the purposes of this hypothetical that one out of every three North Koreans today. Realize that everything they've been told is a lie they're in the minority once that number becomes north fifty or you can get to seventy eight percent there's no way that it can that the government and sustain itself. So you know every program has to have a goal, right so what is our goal I think from everything we've been told the idea that there's going to be some sort of grassroots revolution. She's not going to happen in North Korea the monopoly power and violence is to to stacks McGovern side however, would could very well happen as some sort of coup at the top where. The military or the one percent in north. Korea like just learn enough about what's going on in the outside world where basically like enough of this and they get rid of the this theocratic you know. Kim. Dynasty and they take power for themselves and you have a military dictatorship in north. Korea now, no longer a no longer eight Sort of dynasty but you have a military dictatorship in North Korea that's willing to negotiate. So Kim Jong UN's uncle. was. One of these guys. But they call him a reformer. He's the one. He's the deal with Chinese now, of course Kim Gentleman's office is a threat and killed him. You know within weeks of taking power. one of the first things he did as as a signal to everybody else that all we're gonNA get through all the reformers. If the Kim family you know moved out of the equation all of a sudden you have a huge opportunity or actually having a constructive dialogue with the North Korean government where it's like, oh well, you guys blows five prison camps will let you compete in the Olympics or something like this would have actually opened the door to this. Okay. If you December five tactical weapons than you know will allow, you will get rid. Of this particular sanctions team like you can actually start having discussion if there wasn't like a lunatic theocratic religious government in North Korea that was just like a straight up military dictatorship downsizing what we want in as a first step towards a free North Korea, which would be, of course, art of the whole peninsula would be a free country it would be a one Korea. So that's of course you deal the ultimate vision here. It's so amazing to me to think that if enough people in North Korea had the right Elixir of trump's it would result in a country flipping over you might think that by watching titanic, you won't suddenly start protesting and thus show has probably not enough. But at the same time, you might wake up to your father being hauled off to a prison camp simply from making a phone call, you just might be starving to death or freezing to death, and if you push someone into a corner with no way out, they'll do something completely unexpected just to survive. And the people of North Korea are pushed into a corner every day. So sometimes, just a little drop of truth is all that it takes for them to break out of their thought controlled mind and realized that the dictator has purposely been starving people to death just to keep them in order and for what just to maintain his power. There's a formula somewhere in here that as the lack of humanity goes lower knowledge of the outside world gets higher someplace it'll be a tipping point for North Korea. I mean there that's the only thing I think is gonNA. It's a really long term investment way North Korea resumed. It has been there for more than seven key ears in thirty more years is a one century. It's been this way they've been doing decide gall. greenwashing so many years on people's mind a they've been like good. And only. Clicking a deep brain washing his people is a it's a trust. And this use vs contains truth in it. and. You had information about freedom and human rights in all about this war. So I think. Even. Though remind us, see revolution right now. But. It accumulates and equality chip people's mindset and that's turning points can happen any time. I think the only change in North Korea should happen is that demand the change in North Korea? Is Not by like very dream vision not buy anything if Choubey that. Then those Korean people, demand their rights and their their freedom. And knew that, make me need to show the information through the Destino drive flash drives we have? But what I'm worried about is that there are people can be tortured or to the camp or executed for having these drives and it's This are we putting them in danger? Without even doing that they, they get stuff to death for no reason, they get sent to prison for so many other things. So you know what it's like being a slave in being got being cared for so many other things. So, like And So I. Think. That's it. Yeah it is true that. But Romy send us that go drive is not like we forced him to watch. We are not a Toshinori people like you must watch this information. We just given the option to choose and they always have the option to not watch them. But like my serve in like my parents, we took that risk wash attorney and we learned about the words in re came out. So it's a if we like force free showing them these things without the favor that might be not fair. But because given the option to choose to learn about the truth I think will only during their favor and even though we the even Biz astronauts can people already demean demanding truth. We that is fresh drives. A project they buy is information to black market. They pay their money. Even, the poverty, these people are so hungry for the truth. So even we only giving getting more flash drives than a bring down the cost. So much excessive surprise. Now, bring down the cost easily access information redoubt too much money they're paying for it. At the moment Yanni's mother. Hud. Delete her two daughters home in the winter. Me was nine and her sister was eleven to survive. They would have to go to the mountains and pick grass and flowers to eat, and this was probably the most horrible winter. She ever experienced in her life. No He'd in the house. No food no water than the frozen Yalu River no electricity. Somehow she got through it. Yanni's father developed cancer while in prison. So he bribed someone to go home so he can be treated but even though the family was together was still massive struggle to survive. Still no food out of pure necessity, she needed to find a way to survive. My case was. Escape the see. I was very hungry. And? There I was guard by. My own the motivation was that they can like I want you to find something to eat. And Bow was. In going red lights were. Like I was in the border part of North Korea. And as you said, right across the river guess China. that a highway, their cars when you on the highways. lights and they have liked the night. The Chart I thought. Looking at China. The lights are maybe I refi something to eat. And that's how I. Young me and her mother paid someone to smuggle them into China leaving her father behind now keep in mind if the Chinese police had them, they would have sent them back to north. Korea, which would have put them right into a prison camp because China's a communist country but some sort of allegiance to North Korea if you get caught as a North Korean in China, they send you. Back a repatriation. So it's it's a horrible practice that Sonesta one of the cruelest things that the government doesn't did a of things like, for example, ignominy Muslims in prison camps right now but you know when you're sending someone backs, North Korea. They're they're facing either execution without trial over the mock trial or or more likely imprisonments in Gulag or they're gonNa Starve to death or something. As you heard your meat narrowly escaped and made it to south. Korea, when she got there, she started attending school one day the teacher asked her what her favorite color was. This was the first time ever anyone asked this she was fourteen years old I. I didn't understand the question of because the North Korea nobody asked me what I saw. Lake Road. I. WanNa. Or like or dislike. It was not even a concept as a concept for people to ask each other she didn't know she was allowed to have favorite color. So took her while to figure things out and to discover her own self. So what is her favorite color stir spring? Spring Green good choice role in Korea. She learned English by watching the TV show friends I actually literally learned my English through King Friends I like watch thirty times from season wanted ten. So he was eased saying like. Oh my obsession with friends. But think I haven't I stole the show was like you will be because I-. The humor is something the unit understand the culture and you get it. So he took many many many kinds to refer me to get the joke. Sam finally enjoyed the show. She was able to slowly establish itself in the world and feels incredibly happy to have escaped, and actually she's living in the US now and she just finished getting her degree at a university and is becoming a human rights advocate and helping others. It's like you know your guys. She'd be like a fairly in Lega trillion zillion times happier than Renault that was in North Korea because. Now Inter home on that you could. Press switches the lights on right I. get how water I mean. But somehow it's it is. A think I'm happier different than North Korea but. It's not like. That literally, the you appreciate when you really have nothing. Is something very different. So how could the audience help North Korea? Think. Your audience are very interesting lactic knowledge in they're very mindful of this tool. They one of the ways they can help is definitely a getting more information into North Korea through flash drives. I think at the moment it is all really award that we have. The regime is. No breathing. This people read. A two years but the flash drives the rest on the North Korea contains truths about. Shenanigans about the word about freedom and. About the potential no San People. So I think this is really a opportunity for all of us to get involved in. Portion of the work when I do believe that North Korea Ruby free in our lifetime. and. You can say bag dumping free freebies people. Your free. Okay. So the flash drive for freedom project is an easy way to help people in North Korea. I mean with the big enough campaign, we can see the regime get toppled by its own people. Let's all pitch in Create A. SD Car donation drive at your school work collect as many drives as you can and send them to flash drives for freedom. You have the power to make a change over in North Korea, and this is getting some serious momentum. So join me so we can help Alex help the people of North. Korea. Oh, and one last thing we'll have young me still because I don't know if I'm ever going to have a chance to speak to a North Korean defector again, this has been so surreal to me especially tracking down North Korean to get them on my show. This. is so crazy. What am I getting myself into but okay. So even though she didn't see any computer while in North Korea, I still wanted to talk with her about what she knows about the computers there. Or. Meet defectors who were kissing industry. No. In universities where they are taking hackers hats and it's definitely that's one of the things the revenues that garbage gets Hacking the cyber hacking attack they do on. South. Koreans domain had the cheese. So see that's interesting already because I think I I was wondering who's who's able to do this because you know not many people have the computers. So you're saying that there's some schools in Kim. Yang teach people how to Hack Yep I definitely that a professor who called the chance to. And they they do learn those things but I. I heard a lot of them are basing China too. And they had it not for most Korea but they use code then thanks they can not have Norsk hackers can have some countries. So because I won't have no Internet there, it would be very hard to do it. Right host, maybe the connection might not be good but I not sure. Maybe this hackers do maybe get I do think they do have Internet for decided certain. Restricting officers, I'm sure on the Internet. and. I know that is a foreign journalists when they travel to North Korea get Internet time to time. And or so you know this Discipline Win The people been like Theresa one of Chabert North. Korea. A I heard the north. Koreans googling people names Sif they're like Jonas or not. So? I think. Those are very restricted like population do have like Internet access to go run like that. And you know when other countries do hacking, they do it to steal. They spy, they steal trade secrets, but you said that this is a source of the hacking that North Korea does is a source of revenue for the country. One of the reasons they do this. Now, they this hacking still crave avenue for them. And are so they show day. Accused him of the holidays even of living in South Korea or the this banks will get. Bob The pets you know from the from North Korea. Still it's a North Korea does not only have you corrupt to threat out of countries, but they have is strong army of hackers to threat any entity now Controlled by. Orders like Internet. System even our water supplies electricity prize control by Internet. And North Korea, he's threatening. Basically humanity we had her. Hecker groups they are. Keep raising keep developing. A I don't know how far they can go. There you know is so. Steigenga recklessness I don't know if that's what they're gonNa do but North Korea certainly does not respect international law. They do not searching respect any human dignity so If, if dictator runs or if he decides that is good for his maintaining regime. I think they are capable of literally everything. This sounds incredibly fascinating to me. So fascinating that I'm going to stick with the North Korean theme for the next two episodes, we're going to dive in some huge hacking campaigns that they've done over the years. There's some real doozies they've done. So, see you the next episode. Dan. Of Very. Big. Thank you to join me park. Your story is so inspiring. Thank you so much for sharing it with us and she has a book out talks about her life and North Korea and her escape. It's one of the most inspirational and gut wrenching books. I've ever read her book is called in order to live. A tear up just thinking about it. I'll have some affiliate links to the book in the show notes also a very big. Thank you to Alex Glad Steen the Human Rights Foundation. I mean he's the one who formed the flash drives for freedom and helps out North Koreans. He's making the world a little bit better every day and I highly encourage all of my listeners to donate usb drives as cards, which is send the money. Their website is flash drives for freedom. Dot. Org. That's all spelled out one big long word flash DRIVES FOR FREEDOM DOT ORG. The show is made by the Dark Rabbit Jack reciter. Score and sound design. This episode by Garrett Peterman editing helped this episode by the Super User Damian and our theme music by the fact, beat brake master cylinder, and even though a dumpster fire erupts somewhere in the world every time I say this is dark net dire.

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Ep164: A Dirty Discussion Feat Kiki & Medinah

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Ep164: A Dirty Discussion Feat Kiki & Medinah

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I'm like fuck. I can't leave my marquette in promoting a couple days so I'm looking at like how to fly my cat out with me and looking at the call niggers my gets blown out binding all the time and she'd be like Ab bringing ammo. The fucking cat at the brain this cat. I come extra Pussy Nigga. What's good one? Twenty five of Wall Wall. We may be discussing threesomes later on in this episode. I hope my negatives not WanNa fuck me and my other pussy. 'cause I'm not into the you know what I mean like. I think you're and if he's in the south he's going to jail. I. I don't wait send you to jail though I know our no yeah. It's animal okay. You guys here going to jail you guys here to other voices and I want to give a solid round of applause and welcome because we are doing a cocktail horrible decisions mashups so I would like to introduce. Finally linked from the COP thirty discussions. Podcasts would so cool cats and Kim. I'm so glad to have you guys here. We have friends and peers long. I'm Ki Ki and Medina. Where part of our first live show in Always always told them the horrible decisions of. At L. Like I feel like you know and also shutout to Kiki. I know you helped me with kids. with the Christmas gifts and shit like that and Medina like I just really. I love what you guys are doing. And we're just so glad to finally have you on. I just can't believe it took to fucking years notion. Also y'all are like the black versions of both because y'all know Mapa wants to really claim black because we biracial over here so I don't know what your mother fuckers question our blackness all the fucking time so we got Medina by grant who was our guest last week is thinking about getting a cat and also everyone who is sent me like cat. Tips and tricks. They are black. Black people own cats bro. It's a different kind though. What what the crazy thing is. I'm thinking about getting kids into like I thought about it during the quarantine. Okay can I ask all of you? All's opinion so I've been asked on twitter and instagram. Now they want me to make an instagram for Bodey. No DOUBT DUE WAY DOWN. We far making paint because his story is so beautiful. You got him from the streets. I really story so beautiful. Capper twenty dollars off at Braquet. Kitty who I wanted to show you guys a lady. I work with. Oh Damn can I tell you? We're recording so we found out my old co workers and they were like y'all so and so hit us up. Go check out her instagram. This IS ISLA. Jit thought this is GONNA be Manny. Manny didn't have a cat yet. This is our g down Congo. I know I I like body in my story. But he hasn't made my feet it. Okay why is he gonNA have an Instagram? So his name is Bodey. Because I figure he from the Bronx right so you lowered Hilo Ratchet so it just made me think of a Bodega and so. It's a nickname for Bodega. So boaty DOTS. Yeah yeah because he's talking hood rat and I'm fed up already. I don't know how these mother fuckers have children. He's a hike y'all spit whole humans out of your vagina. That annoy you to this extent. I couldn't imagine who does. I don't know people who have kids. done okay. How kids over here about hot tails? Yeah I guess. Tell us about cocktails your sexual orientation well cocktails discussions we talk about sex. Ours is less educational than Y'all's more about us just sharing our experiences telling stories. Sometimes we get drunk on the show and that's very very very personal. Almost too personal to the point where Brad I was doing to my shall we talk about relationships. All types of relationships relationships friendships all types of relationships. You can think of. I like men and women I don't want to marry a woman to marry a man but I do like aimlessly. Now you know I just kind of go with whatever I feel like that day. I like it all marriage Mariama. I've never dated a woman. I don't think I would actually date a woman. I think it's more fun with Jazz. Have sex with or flers. Okay well I mean I guess I think a lot of people always say that when when they tell me bisexual. Well I wouldn't be with a woman I'm like sexual orientation we'll see. I don't know why I think you're on your different on the scale. You're absolutely by so like we've talked about our show. I don't know if you guys have heard of it. But kinsley scale friends introduced me to it. shelter Christopher and basically. It's an eight love like eight levels but one side is more Hetero one side is more homosexual and you can change by day you can change. Seasonally maybe quarantine. We'll have you a little more game so speaking of Corentin. Normally we do icebreakers. I guess but I wanted to kind of open up and do kind of an icebreaker slash catch up and talk about what sex has been like during quarantine for all four of us so me and Kike actually have stories but before we get there. I did want to ask Medina. Are you single? And if you're not. Are you having sex during corn team so I am single. I thought that I was going to be having so much quarantine that I didn't know what to do with like are you couldn't tell me nothing like my team was just really built up. Y'All quarantine came and I got quarantine the first two days of it and that Nigga just D- like he just totally did a whole smooth hit and quit like we were in fucking high school. I was so fucking mad. I await like he goes to Jewish. There my ass like just go. How you ghosted on quarantine and I weigh on live and had a whole ramp. We talked about it on the show. Like I know you off the show and I sent him the clip because I was so offended like how you get in quick during quarantine you sent him. The me talking from the podcast. He replied didn't apply for a couple of days but then he sent me a message and said that he was having technical difficult. It was dumb shit. Technical difficulties is so busy. How you say you so busy during a Corinthian with America's like no a musical engineer at the studios is closed my negative visa music. I was GONNA say maybe dude my my old job my position that I was in there working so much harder. Because it's I used to work on Internet right like sales engineering. So like they're working justice fucking hard so I was like we'll be engineer. Maybe but not just buying more. I was Gonna say even for me. I used to be an accountant and I reached out to my old CO workers. And they've been working even weekends so seven days a week I worked in the Tax Department and even though taxes got pushed to July they still are working like busy season And I'm sure it's taking you longer to do things at home than it does in the workspace just because working from home just has your mind in a completely different place relaxed place so we the what about so okay. So Medina's out here getting ghosted Daring Quarantine We has there been any change with you and your relationship with sex during quarantine. Now I think we're just doing the same she it but there's been a change with me. Nigga. I'm like convinced now so I went for a walk. Start talking to the guy outside because we had the same shoes on random. He's like so then he starts telling me how he works for ticketmaster. I was like Oh my God while I'm a podcast or cancel. He shows and he said that everybody is not expecting to be back up and running till twenty twenty two and twenty twenty one. I thought that morning got a call from my old boss was like listen. He follows me instagram. Now he's like. I know you're not working. Do you WanNa come in as an implementation engineer. Because we're actually busier and I actually need somebody again. I was like no I. I'm GonNa take care of myself. I could take care of myself for like a year. So for what twenty? Let me get back but I think it's just I'm I duNNo. I'm feeling stuck boyfriends. But helping me through it but I've been working on something Just a project is writing and now they love it and the network there wanted like we will make a quarantine version of and I'm like I'm good on waiting. I don't give a fuck Nigga think I did nothing? I don't WanNa Quarantine version the no. We'll send you equipment. I don't want equipment. I want someone else to do it. I'm not about to say my pardon me when I've been working for months making shit to then do it on a Webcam. No this is really the reality now. Yeah it's crazy like for for just podcast is like thinking of okay. I know certain states are opening backup so studios maybe opening up because they're not like large event venues but even figuring out how we're going to continue putting out quality through fucking. The Internet is hard because things just operate differently on Wifi especially because everyone is on their WIFI. So I guess I'll share my story and then we'll get into Kiki's Kiki's story leads to another discussion but for me. I WANNA shout out to Daniels and W he reached out to me last minute and I had the opportunity to host a virtual orgy which is something we have talked about on here and I just wanted to share with you. How interesting it was they had A. Dj I just WanNa paint the picture for you guys. I also WANNA shout out to do hostess about the paint. The picture bitch. 'cause I ain't GONNA lie. I know you and I talked about doing it. Shout Daniel. It's a lot of fucking work. I'M NOT GONNA hold you to host like to be on the back end producing it but so as the host. I pretty much like job they. Hey guys welcome to the welcome to tonight. This is the DJ the DJ was spinning while also had his girlfriend in lingerie like doing these crazy moves but then literally by the middle of it the DJ was fingering in fucking his girlfriend while playing tunes. Then me as the host. I got everyone comfortable so I would like. We let people get into the room so there was about fifty people total in the room. Probably about fifty six or fifty eight because there was at least about four couples But then I just started with a game of truth or dare so you have to raise your hand whether you were willing to be on camera because at any given point only four people could show on the camera. So yeah so. It's a lot of watching and you have to raise your hand to be shown to the crowd but when you're shown to the crowd you also know that at least forty or fifty people are watching you. So here's what we got to watch. We watched a couple do wax play where the guy burned candle and dropped wax onto her ass and you saw her shake every time. The WAX volunteer her ass. We had one girl shoutout to aqua diva. I guess she's a dancer. She got on the poll. I was able to request a song. She took all of my cash money. It was only. It was only seventeen dollars of the balanced left but I still gave her that. Seventeen dollars the balance. It was the balance I was giving her my cash dollars then. We had another couple shoutout to them because they are horrible decisions listeners. I'M NOT GONNA put their names out there but we the and I actually met them at our very first live show in New York so this couple ended up choosing dare. I'll tell you bitch we're going to have to bring them all home. I JUST GOTTA ASK PERMISSION. But we got them on an in the dare he had to go to the refrigerator and pick out a food to lick off of a body part on her so they had that's in Queens so he's licking whipped cream off than they kissed each other and then also by the end there was full-fledged fucking so there was full-fledged sucking Dick a woman had a mask on and all you saw her suck and the Fuck Outta here Nigga Dick then you just thought to two or three couples. Total had sex on camera. How black was it how I felt I would say it was mixed because the stripper was black. The couple was I would say Indian and Latina. There was a guy there I would say. I don't WanNa pay were caramelized around color. They were Brown. Yeah the like. I said the dancer was black with an Afro. The couples that had sex. The three couples were white And then there was another guy I would say he was Middle Eastern. I had him strip and dance so he was letting his little dangling slang so I think a good thing about Daniel though is he's said even on our platform when he came on that diversity was important to him. I'M NOT GONNA lie. It was a super diverse. Like White Shit like for some reason. Two of the couples we're dealing nipple I've never dealt with Nipple Clinton was just like okay. This is the white person aspect of this Schick as we are de-stigmatising and okay. We'll bitch are you out here playing with nipple clamps over your nipples with eight. I feel like I would like it still. I don't play with that much. Yeah I really hate. I crawl hole. That ever had someone be like. Hey let me clap your nipples. They see even when you say we. Okay so what is. What is the black way to say? Let me clamp duties thing now just a whole too slow so Kiki Tiki. If you can share with US maybe a story that you have of your Corentin got any stories. I have a few actually because I say quarantine was okay because quarantine wasn't gonNA keep me down so this was actually part of my cocktail. Revisit it for you guys So basically the other day I was really going through it. I was extremely horny. I was feeling upset. I tech some friends who I thought relate and we were all agreeing. That issues too much. We were about to make bad decisions. We were like you know Nigga you'll have to share horrible horrible yeah I was I made some and so did some other people anyway. So by the grace of God or maybe it wasn't God probably wasn't but my one of my buddies calls me right nice guy. I enjoy hanging out with him. He's funniest book right so he's like well. What are y'all doing are you by yourself? I was like no my friend. Dre has been here because we decided to be quarantine roommates because we didn't know how long she was on last and it was crazy right so she's been here he was like why y'all can come over so. I know I'm not supposed to be leaving the house but I did. So we leave and we go over there and I mean at least you left the house to just go and the last time I went to his house. He sprayed me with lifestyle. He's always very clean person. So I figured you know that's priority will be would kill niggers snickers is really spraying. They faces body parts you. I can't believe that you give them pussy to a negative lifestyle and your please I dig and I got it okay I'm not buying cats from the crackheads to cure my lonely. Maybe you wish you could be Lysol so anyway we go over there. We're hanging out and everything and then somehow I don't know what number he sent me a text message. That's what started it. I don't think I said this on our show. But he sent me a text message and he was like take your panties off. I WANNA eat your pussy right now so I was like sex scene and I was about to but then I was like you know what let's go to the Sauna I so he was like yeah. Okay we'll Lassana so so this is while your house is downstairs. Okay guy so I was like come to the locks on us for gun known coming out NIGGA. Okay so we go down there. And he was like Let me GET CHELSOM TOWEL. So we just took all of our clothes off. Because it's like it's GonNa be hot in there anyway right next thing. I know my foot and it was fine He stars inside fee and then I look over. Dre has nothing on. She has taken the towel and wrapped it around her braves she sitting there opposing just titties out pussy out. Everything's out so I was just like okay. Well I think we're done in the sauna so everything was out so I think we're done in the Sauna Let's push the shower so I really liked taking showers at his house. Every time I leave I looked crazy because I think I'm in a commercial and I want to wash my hair so at this point I had clippings in and they weren't even good quality clippings but you know it's been a struggle 'cause warranty so we're in the shower and I got him I he gets in and then Andrea was like she was looking like can I come in. And so he was like you're not gonNA and she was. She wasn't wasn't sure if that's cool with a real. You might like square up with her. I'm not GonNa do that but she was like well. Do you mind can I? I was like together. The mayor very large space so after a while. Another humbled very rush hour. I WANNA come home but anyway so we're in there and like everybody's kissing there's a Lotta Pussy licking. He bathes us to forgot about that part. And I'll skip some of the details but we ended up in the back field. He couldn't really handle two women because I don't think that that was his original plan. It was just GonNa be me so at one point. He had Dick Dick for one. Not Too so At some when he comes back with Baby Oil Andrey was making all of these demands about who needs to poor wet wear and all the staff and it was just a great time and then he woke up in the morning Gave us the bed? What Greasy I was. Yeah But I liked that baby. Oilfield intervals good So anyway he woke me up in the morning with breakfast. He cooked us a beautiful breakfast. We had waffles chicken's awesome. It wasn't Eggo waffle. That's still a wall but the homemade. Tell me I didn't tell you a Belgian waffle and China is. He cooked the chicken because it was really left over from the night before. But besides well I guess that makes up for the swap will now and again. He had a sauna. I'll talk we're talking shit. Am I think it looks at me? Everyone which you look. I appreciate it was kind of pop tart. Excellent customer service five out of five stars highly recommend to the bedroom which were hookah. Hose lots of types of hose. But we had a great time and then we laughed and we came back in the day. Feel weird so I wanted to talk about that because real quick. If y'all don't know I am currently in a group chat called Eskimo Fan and we decided that because we are all friends. Let's figure out if we have the same Nigga at any point in time. So it's been determined that while a lot of us are Eskimos sisters me and Kike were not as Komo sisters until she called me to tell me this story and then we realized because of this story we now share a body. But it's not great so dry was supposed to be my girlfriend in the mix and now I feel like I had to share her. We Kiki and I don't know how feel because now. I'm like wait. I didn't came and Kiki like soya. huddle like. I really felt she face the other day because we were in bed together me and dre. This is before anything happened. We'd really just slip. And she was like wait. A minute in the bed next to you what's going on. I was like girl. Relax only have one bid so just now I just know when you told the drain story. Well you didn't say your name. Yeah they were like. I've really missed it. I realized I can't beautiful. Hold you so so when I fucked Dre me. And her were even think of a nickel. We could come to join us that night but every time like I get into a threesome. I get hot and bothered but I really WanNa be penetrated and me Andrea fuck bitch. I have the straps. She have like a full strap or nothing like that solves. It's like Damn Really WanNa get fucked but dry with so much fun and so now that I know fucked you want y'all niggers I didn't threesome bitch but the bullshit I'll really a whole sex. I want you to home rather bugging to join the attack. Are We fuck white? Boys look at it. No I'm not GONNA wait. I was GONNA say this. This is funny because I don't think a lot of negatives like I know a Lotta guys maybe find out they're messing with the girls and it's easier and normally they think we're so emotional and like literally we over here like well bitch. We thought is this. You had a threesome bitch on me. And I I like my Nigga got big. You want to dig like not saying that you're GonNa have a big day. Look like will this. You'll be dealing with Gargantuan so I don't WanNa fuck them big Dick niggers. I just know that after all of this talk about Eskimo sisters and you telling me the details about you Andrea and then used Mandy Sharon the story about you and when I went to sleep last night I had a dream. I had a wet dream. They me and Mandy were stuck in a desert and for some reason I was like falling into sand dunes and sand like falling over me and then Mandy was behind me and she was pulling my legs and you started eating my plant. We were drenched in sweat and endorse it. All what we were sweating and I was like why did I have this type of drink is the sauna is the Sauna? That's what made me. Wait that you were falling into sand dunes and Darcy that I was trying to eat better. Be Bitch jeter. I'm GonNa tell you right now me Medina go have sex. Never take me Monica. Call right and she's fucking live and she sleep right now. This vicious Dez knocked out. She would have no makeup on. This was not like she gets. She even had time. It was three rings. She has full on lingerie on what was like. Yeah I just sleep like Oh my God so he was like. Damn you look real good. She's like y'all say we're GonNa Medina your wait wait Medina. She added her boyfriend. So you ready for the three of ripple what I I definitely feel like. We have to go to dinner. I I can see the VIBE vibe. With we've we love taking but Medina tacky so I would never ever Alvin. No I'm all about the energy and the by and plus you know we all just get shrooms right whatever happens. I don't know but I just Energy Energy Kierra Kiki or Kiki and dry. I'm about to hit them with. I need your full names and birthday with Ryan out here and meet me here. I love question. Would you with Mandy and Kiki which I'll ever have a threesome? You kike Mandy Andrey would. Y'All ever have a three three summer? Do you need a Nigga I need to do? I feel like for that. I would miss an inch pissy anita naked and I'm not GONNA lie. It's funny that Kiki was talking about. How dry it gives direction. This Bro. Yano I'm normally than dumb bitch. Dreyer Don the fuck out of me. She was telling me what to do and I was like okay. I'll brian dry is very dominant in the bedroom. And so I feel like I need that masculine energy just in there somewhere feel like. I'm in control of something shit. Y'All think I'm a dumb Dreyer Dreyer's will tell you what the do live over here. Eat this pussy. No like she she decides when we're changing position right here. She would tell me if I needed to add fingers in. She's like no hit me right here or like she direct. She will tell you. Exactly what the word okay. Well I let us direct but I was just GonNa say when Mandy said that so I just did an episode with Kiki for their Patriot and she literally said the same thing about Dreyer. Oh yeah dry is berry like directive. Like she's fucking anymore. She's still bossing him around. Give me some ice cream more baby. Oil all-sports threesome finality harshly threesome personality. I'm very like if I'm not that into her but I'm just into the energy like I'm probably the one who's more PROC- but when I'm into her I like it to just be like me and the chick and like the Nigga hassle almost interrupt and then tell us what to do. I get super just okay. You Know Koumba about it. I just be doing everything everybody. Ivo Box eater. I like sixty nine and addiction on one side. You don't know who's going to get it Yeah me so much. Anyway I WANNA get into. We are going to do double version of Vanilla Shit and this is because we have a cocktail mash up and something that you can expect when you listen to the COP tells. Podcast is something that they do called weird sex so for our vanilla shit. I decided to find something that was weird in the news. But also give you guys another thing about vanilla during the corona virus so for the first one it says that a data to be discovered that his pregnant wife is his half sister but they want to keep the baby a man claims that he has that he and his pregnant wife have found that they are actually brother and sister a posting on. Read it the man who was twenty four from England claim that the couple had been horrified to discover that they are actually half siblings after being together for eight years He wrote that he didn't want to reveal. They found out but they added that they had confirmed That they were half siblings during a DNA test. He explained that only his wife's bomb had admitted to him at a rough moment who her daughter's biological father was and the pieces of the puzzle fell into place. I it's funny because I think I saw this conversation going around twitter. I WanNa Know Wezi or Kiki or Medina. The person that you're currently fucking with your boyfriend Kiki the person you just had a threesome. What would you do if you found out there biologically? Y'All was related absolutely. Not I tell you wait a second break up would break up this family. How do we even move forward? I WANNA have come out fucked up way way way do you already so I was going to say I would break up with him because I wanNA have kids eventually and I feel like the chances of you know something I also know but we already if we already had a kid and it was eight years. Well No. They've found so they've been married for eight years and they're pregnant now. This is their first baby and they just found out that their brother they've been married for mayor. Okay well you asked me about my Nigga right now. Like you really like him. If you found out he was your brother by some mysterious way. Maybe no bitch. I'm not stay with him. No you say I mean I'm like if I really liked nobody like you. Stay with your Bro. But my my Hafbro like my my dad's brother what my daddy was a hole in just out here. Having a Ho two does have kids. But I'm not going to get with my brother and that's why I need to start asking to take the ancestor DNA tests. Just pop up in similar and I'm telling you right now if I found out that I was fucking my brother. I am going to change my whole life around. I'm giving my life to God I'm i. Am you go see a whole different deal happens? Medina? So you'll life ain't right. Now I'd been. Baptized does go from cocktail. Holy Grail. I'm going to change my whole life around. I would be like wow. I'm really doing too much. I need to talk more and get to know better. Oh Wow so the second. I'm embarrassed just really. I ain't GonNa hold you like but eight years and I was pregnant. Okay this is like the love of my life and then I just find out we. We only have siblings. Maybe it's only half I'm giving. Are you gonNa tell your kids? Are you making? What are you native? Not Making? I got a little too fat. Oh doesn't you see my little to youtube is GonNa ban us this either shoulders and if they ban then we have a class action lawsuit because either just shoulders? You are not going to discriminate against me because of my shoulders. Okay Shoulder. Tips no showers. No thanks Bro. I barely barely have cleavage. This is like cle- this is clear with. No okay so that the bridge that the bottom so I wanted to get into our double vanilla shit also if you guys are just listening to us for the first time coming here from cocktails we have a segment called. Vanilla where we do sex in the news. We found this one from vice dot com. It says that you want to read it. We yeah you gotTA pull it out. I don't know if you had it because you have the other one by the way I just want you to know then. I am a so concerned like I. I've known for interrupting on this show and I'm sorry but I guess super excited and I keep trying to look in hope. There's not a one or two second delay before everybody's not doing good all good. Okay California's sex toy company just donated. It's medical fetish stock to hospital so as we all know either you know. We're down masks and shields and gloves. So this company xer is the is the name of it. Sex Toy distributing donated the face. Shields the gloves that are actually used for anal play for playing out role play and the latex that you can put on to completely cover yourself like for surgery and share now. They're not saying that doctors have used this but the main issue with it is like we all might be using the same mass however in the hospitals there need to be swapping them out constantly so these people are donating that and I guess if they run out of like has met suits and shit been I think we probably have talked about this kinky fetish before. Like kind of like the doctor play so basically. There's a whole fetish about wearing the mask the latex gloves and feeling like you're in the hospital and you get just imagine though like you're in the hospital let's just say emergency room because whatever right and then the doctor comes in and he's got on a mask and it's got a little red X. at the bottom and a cross you what is that. What's that design Nigga? An imagine if they come in with black gloves up to the elbow does not. Oh this is connor. Porting let me ask you. Have you ever been fingering into a glove on like okay? I haven't really good. Can you believe you got fingered glove that you didn't get mad or and so I met this girl? I told this story a long time ago. I Allan cocktails. Would I left out a large portion of it when I have to Miami? I didn't know anybody I was horny. Shit so I got on craigslist and can look for sex pay for sex on craigslist. You've never watched the story. I was desperate so I met a girl who was a stripper and she was like selling her pussy and I was not pay for it so she was. I will send me some real pictures of you and send me a video so I know you're real and if you're actually pretty yeah yeah yeah. Yeah but they weren't the dusty. Kinda can't have the dust on them powder. That means you got should I? Should I get the she got she got? She got books with this Watson gloves though here like reading with you are Medina. So I went in. I met her. She's I sent her the pictures and the videos and shit and she was like okay. You're really pretty. I WON'T CHARGE GREG. Cool so I went to go meet up with her. I thought I was GONNA die. I literally was like if something happens to me. Could you just imagine like someone calling your mom and telling them the story of you going to meet somebody for sex and you got killed or robbed or something exactly? You won't be ambassador. Believe it would be like. Why do the flu Dow or the meeting a stranger off dating APP? And that's how I die. I don't think it would come as a surprise to anybody that knows me. Damn I'll be like really where we where Oklahoma Dog Oklahoma obvious so mad. I don't know. Oklahoma is like a fate that keeps getting brought up. But yeah if I just mysteriously died in like Utah Jazz Portland Trailblazers Bronco Wrong Nigga. No while was in those random ass fucking cities so human dina short. I get to her hotel. I check it out. 'cause I'm not a dumb bitch Kinda dumb but I'm not dumb dumb so I go into the bathroom. I check the shower. Make sure things on jump on her. Rob Me check the clauses on under the shape. We're laying on the bed. We start kissing. We go right into it. I was Horny as shit. She goes have you ever finger with gloves on and I was like no. She's like can I? Do you like sure. Maybe she was really planning on killing me. I don't know what happened. But she put a glove on snapped a raise and started finger. She was just a real sex worker. She was protected. It was very sexy like it was really sexy and it felt really good like I would do it all over again. I think all of us are looking just like so. Getting fingered with a glove felt and it was. It has to be a black glove so you can see like all of the juices and then she like lick it off a real off and then she liked it but once I found out the glove was black. I was in the black. Looks like imagine you getting cremated? She let it get real man you nasty of hell you on craigslist fucking craigslist killers. Wear black glows honestly. I've heard many craigslist stories. Shutouts when my my great friends I only want to say her name because she gets so embarrassed at this story but I went to her birthday party like two years ago. And there's she's God is my longest firm. You've been friends for nine years. I'm like how'd you guys meet? And they both get weird and I'm like no she fucker so the next week or something she's like. I didn't say anything like I really wanted to go out one night and my she's black and white girl she should. I really WANNA go out when I and I just put a post out and went dancing and we met on craigslist and our friends. Nine years later it's so weird because there is like a friend's space in craigslist. I can meet people for sex. You can meet people bitch. Because I'M NOT GONNA. I don't think you could do sex anymore not anymore. But I know like I found a lot of my hair girls on Craig's list. I found a lot on the race sway. The risk is a risk But yeah like craigslist has the T. But to find a friend on craigslist to find a bitch on craigslist how desperate weighing hold you. She said it was asked was did spree. Can I be honest with you? Not that desperate okay. Let me tell you what we Puerto Rico. The first time we went on vacation together right so this was one of the Times where we just didn't take someone home but we were like fucking Lee is like seven. Am We feel in nasty vistas? Adderall has running through me. I'm like somebody he's he's like. Oh Damn where we find him at all. No so I hit on one of my home girls who I know as a whole and my yo you know any dishes or Hotel Rico. She's like let me see how much so she won't fucking hit me back some like legal on craigslist. Like how you look for Bitch. So we on Eros negative. We fell asleep like that. You He's always say Maria. Bak had to be your first name though because I am trying to not say name. That doesn't relate to the culture. I am trying to other culture so talking about Puerto Rico. Maybe for example if I talked about Atlanta I would say for Shida students. What's what the New York name or a Florida names to see what the receipt of Georgia. Oh floors again or Carlos. I'M GONNA go with a Cuiaba quotas. I had a lot of Nikita friends at New York. Names I don't really know New York. I just feel like Jessica that takes up. All of the the ethnic like the Dominicans Puerto Ricans. I feel like there's a guy or Jessica and everything why Jessica there's White Jetstar on when you said you hit your friend up and you knew she was a hoe and I just wonder if I've ever been hit and they hit up Medina Ohio. That's what I was thinking about to your that girl. No she's a professional Ho. It doesn't matter it doesn't actually took me to be honest with you. I've hit up Allie experts. We've had her on the show. When I was like out somewhere I found my meals at Yo. What's up. 'cause I didn't really WANNA Court a bitch and it wasn't in the mood for that kind of sex with the woman. I wanted something more rough and like come through the hotel room. Let's books I wanted to pay it up alley but the other girl I know. There's a whole She gave me some numbers. And it's funny because we woke up at four PM. Do you still want did they. I'm I'M NOT GONNA lie. Medina finicky like were Jose. We the me I think. At one point we were hit up as the whole thing. I know for a certain back for the last decade. I'm everyone's friend that they'd be like my boyfriend. I don't know if he was they boyfriends. I know that I'm the whole frank. I'm the friend day NIGGA. Don't want them to be around so I already know what it happened. Even if I'm not I'm the whole they're like nope I don't want you hanging where her no more But anyways I I feel like I'm a good hole like I feel like I know you ain't shit but like just don't push it on my greg. I respect your unit. I was about to say I'm a whole degrees. I'M GONNA make sure you'll you'll you'll you'll girlfriend some money like or whether we bucket anyways I wanted to get into our next segment. Our next segment is called. Hord d'oeuvre so during this segment we give sex tips and this one I found which ironically I found before coming across one of our home sales which I'm going to tie into and then I want to ask you guys if you've ever done it before you give sex tips so the sex tip or the Hord d'oeuvre for this episode is dry humping so dry. Humping might be thought of as an awkward teen activity from High School days but as many people find dry. Humping as an adult actually slaps the stimulation is on point. And it's not direct in case you haven't overly sensitive clitoris and the hotness of keeping your clothes on and still piling at each other they mental turn onto. I guess before I get into one of our listeners stories about dry humping which she's actually calling it a fetish. I wanted to know if we Z. Medina or any of you guys were into dry. Hump you know. It sounds like a childish game and I used to do it when I was a kid. When me and my friends who play boyfriend and girlfriend would always each other but even house we call it a boyfriend girlfriend. I call the house but I even to this day. I love a good four plan. I love humping a knee. I love humping anything for even when I go to sleep myself. I have a boyfriend pillow. Ib humping my pillow. It feels I will any like my back is. Your is your clint super sensitive. I think it's become super-sensitive because like when I use my vibrator I naturally start on level six or eight. I don't gradually get to the high levels. I just start on the high level because mine is and I feel like that's why I like humping because I don't even need the actual friction. I mean just needs to be like it'd be under the winner. I can come without like the. I don't need you to penetrate me like I can hope and come with a man there. I know like I I get a little hot just by like rubbing up on a man. I don't say I would do humping but like if we're out in public if I just you know most of the niggers they waste come up to my face so I'm really like rubbing thighs my pussy on thighs but like all I glided over them and that makes I think just the body contact actually turns me on you. Do you like humping no. I'd have to have the Dick inside of me or some fingers. A went Body parts should touch without the clothes. I don't just WANNA be rubbing it's GONNA call I'm too old for that. Bass how holiday. I'll be before like timid. Tom Bro- I literally didn't Saturday. I was obviously in and he was working on some side project. He has gone on and just came up to him and I was like I know you. WanNa fuck me. 'cause you just fucked me and he's like chill of course always. WanNa fuck you. Just give me a minute. I was like okay so I just told him to relax. What his laptop on stomach and keep working and I was just hoping that Nigga still fucking humping I'm not gonNA lie. I'll being school so I wanted to share this. I'm not going to share her name. But real quick and this falls into kind of our Ho- confession that we normally do at the end but tied into this hoarder so I wanted to share it. They refer to the fetish as a dry hump. She says Hi Mandy and wheezy. I'm a big fan of the show and thank you so much for continuing podcasting during covert. It makes a difference for my anxious ass and keeps Monday my favorite day of the Week. I am writing into share fetish that I'm wondering if you have spoken about on your show I'd be happy to talk about it but side note here it goes. I'm a queer woman and I've rarely sleep with men. I prefer women for mostly everything as far as anything pertaining to interpersonal intimate relationships. However when I want to quench my dry humping thirst I prefer a man in the equation is very frustrating. However because I'm rather masculine and don't really respect Prospect men generally speaking generally speaking rely on porn. Also sex with men feels more like using toy for me so I have to be transparent about that with potential male partners however most seemed to care about feelings involved etc and. I don't like the idea of being my toy. Definitely humbly broke stereotypes of me so I ended up having to recycle the same point all the time. And it's getting to the point where all replay a few seconds in a scene when the guys bolger still in his pants hardest fuck and a girl is rubbing it. I also love grinding with men on occasion. I love the sensation of them. Getting hard on me. A part of it definitely pertains to the idea that I'm turning them on and I'm also a top so I feel a sense of control as she gets into this feeling and I guess it's interesting because I have the idea that maybe she's more dominant or stud projecting. Maybe she could be a lesbian as well. Humping IS SCISSOR. It is that she really only likes to Hump with men and she said that I think she gets the she gets turned on by feeling them. Get harder in their clothes even though she doesn't want to go forward with penetration with. I don't think that's weird. It's like she's attracted to the penis being there. She just doesn't want it her. That makes sense to me. The only thing I actually don't like sizzling humping. But I've scissored before and I don't like it. I'm just we're just both like grinding. Arba China's and I'll be like kitty you gotta when it's good. You gotta get like Qiliang Way Way Way Way Way. So House about to say well. We're on a Hor d'oeuvres tip before we get to wear both of you guys. Drop your sex before we get into the horrible decision we do. You have a tip for Medina to where she may enjoy three more. Just wetness like I like. You have to make sure it's like low key like lathered like if you're spit is lathered up in the pussy enough like you're gliding better because the thing about Sizzling is that friction isn't always the best thing I think with sex with a man sometimes. Friction could be good like condon's can be too wet and you may not feel enough but sizzling. I think because you have more room like I can get on your thigh get messy like just look it up as good. What's I'm curious to know? Yeah Yeah do you guys have any seconds to? We have any sex tips. I would say stretch because let me tell you a one time. I had to invest in the chiropractor for about a year because our SCIATICA after I was fucking there's one Nigga in Houston and I mean I don't regret it. Would I do it again? I have way a Nigga made you get in your back ends up getting is Irving your back and it ends up getting pinched or something like that and just out of whack but it it feels like I shoot. He really broke your back this all the time but it sends a shooting pain down like your back and it went all the way down to my ankle. I was walking funny. I have it right now. Do y'all have is killing me. What if I say adequate I diagnosed so basically? I asked I- Attica or cancer. I hope not cancer. But yeah data stretch Drink LOTS OF WATER BEFORE HANDS? He can be extra juicy so my fax tube is and this is a lot of. Y'All are going to hear this and be like no no I really like you know booty play and if you don't WanNa let lake same sense he and I just want everyone to know they like if you don't want to dig in your as lately. There was a married couple that I was fucking with. Her husband loved like she wouldn't let him do it but I would let him do it. He loved putting his Finger. So deep in my ass. Where like I literally come in and fell fell. I can feel it coming up out of my mouth like he put it so deep in there and it didn't hurt because it's a finger. It's not like a Dick and it was the sexiest thing my pussy. So wet like literally dripping wet and he would just tease me like all. Budi Budi is such a great sex tip to get things started out every now and again but sometimes he would give some shit on his fingers. But you just keep a little wet wipe on the side so you can wipe it off and then start the sex. It is incredible. Just sell y'all y'all know but Medina's nickname as Maduna because I think she really like has got like Scott is a fetish for her but she hasn't admitted to it just says really. I really think that she really enjoys shit being around. Do you not have gay male friends? Do I really don't need them to teach you about your asshole. Because they might get it. You can stop. I told her like when I played with my as I feel like there's not shit everywhere but I think Medina low key likes to see the shit so I don't think he's going to try to get rid of. Maybe it makes you feel like you've got so fucking Shit Nastier. This sex is the more like intrigued by the experience that we're about to have showers. I am like I can't do the golden shower up try but in my body won't let me pee on someone but I like to get peed on. Not all the time thing but if you WANNA do an army lying don't get into my I get it. 'cause it's messy nece KNOB. She'd be like not like see. Where have you been peed specifically as far as on your body and the place where you at? Their House hotel was at his house and he peed on like. I told him. Don't go above the collarbone but of course a little bit of a little bit splatters on your live but I was like okay cool but he stood over me on the bed. He lied and he liked. Just all over the bed and stuff and then it was really sexy. It was on the bed talking after bed. Wait did y'all start. I smelled like pee for a couple of days but that is so I have never liked. Nobody does her voice. But I'm like that right now because she's trying to put so innocent then he peed on me and I smelt like Bam for three weeks because it was fun. That's right you need on somebody. That was fun. Somebody to but my my pussy wouldn't like mentally. It took a while like adds to go rush mental vagina. China's brain is the go run over the toilet. Feel like okay. I'm sitting over a toilet then when it was ready to come out. I hold it Iran back to the shower to Piss on him that it was hard I was like. I didn't have to do all that so I I had a pin conversation recently. Because I think we were around. Y'All then no no. No we can't do threesomes golden showers. It is that's a good point not somebody who's like what episodes should I start with? So I said do one of the top ten and then we hung up. I say oh I just realized the top ten is me and Mandy. Made this about who gets it on. Your pistol ended up. I think I might have said. There's a little bit in the last episode. But he was like. So what do you mean like you need to get paid this much to get peed on? I was like one that if it was you but like still and then you let me. And I'm like what? And he was like what about below the neck. Maybe look but now suddenly at what point will we start doing shit like this? So they're blinded up like a day later right. I'm like have you been on a bit? She's like in the shower but like it was like a joke. I was like right but like a sex thing. How Do you jokingly pee on? Somebody broke in the shower and they let a little bit out. And you're in the shower. Those numbers are fucking. They understand the I like having nasty sex we understand. Now we understand we understand. Oh wait wait wait. Five hundred mega is that jokingly on your phone or inventory you never sat all the toilet and only two so so that so that I had done but we were so. I just said this way on episode Corey Beam. He wanted me to Piss on him and we never discussed tempting me. Because it wasn't what he wanted. He just wanted me. To pee on him but we got in from the club bitch. I was taking a piss on the toilet on a night that we decided I wasn't going to Piss on him and brought he came started pissing and it went down my titties and so the toilet and I didn't like it. I did hear smelling PC FOR. Ask like a kindergartner. She had it all worked. She didn't kindergarten a very long time. So maybe I'm accustomed to install jake to you. Yeah I I would cost him. I'm a week anyways before again before we get into the decision. I'll let you both dropped your sex tips so we are going to get into the horrible decision and is the horrible decision for this week. Kinda brings I guess our platforms to tenfold. I mean Cocktails has been out I would say three and a half four years if I'm not mistaken and we just. We just extended art three year anniversary. And what do you mean we extend? I guess we've reached it but I feel like I'm using words I'll okay extended wasn't right just extending our anniversary because we was going down what he saw the airline. We kept going but we are three year anniversary in March the last month and I wanted to kind of the conversation about black women especially today taking hold of your sexual empowerment women empowerment and Kinda. How the PODCAST has affected how we view sex and how it's kind of interrupted or helped are dating And so I guess I want to start with you guys The first question to you guys again. Your podcast is very similar to decisions. Do has your podcast affected you. Negatively at all in terms of the partners or dating that you guys have had over the past couple of years I would say yeah Whenever I meet someone new and they know about the show where they find out about the show because everybody wants to follow everybody on instagram. All of that but whenever I miss him and I know about I feel like they're either trying to prove something or I don't know like they're trying to prove something they just start acting weird. I don't like it I Absolutely had some negative effects. I it's gotten to the point now where if I meet somebody new. I don't even. I would like to not share my instagram. If people are really heavy on like wanting to know my instagram I honestly I. I don't WanNa move further because I just don't it's not that'd be let's get to know each other I sometimes don't know if people want to fuck with me because of the show and you want to be talked about or if you really WanNa fuck with me. I also feel like there are some men that Iran and they just feel like I m like right off the bat a whore. Oh yeah that I am sometimes like well. You don't understand like some of the stories that I tell I reach back. Some of the stuff is not always curry and I might not expressed that in the episode. I might just tell it like it is but it might be from fucking high school or college or something like I have never been like I feel like I'm having a dry spill Honestly because of cocktails and I think that's why I think that's why but in that same sentence I will say that I do. Let me know when they bring up an issue about it. You can't think that you're GONNA come into my life and something that we're finally starting to get some friction on and we're finally starting to like make our name in this podcast where you can't possibly think you going to come in and think. I'm a change like who I am or what I talk about. I'm not just cocktails. There's a whole other part there's Medina Ali and there's Medina Monroe and so you is just I look at it. Like Dash is not fair and we have talked about that over the years like meeting New People being on dates. Of course we. The united started in the corporate space. So I know I had a hard time identifying my podcast there or am I in accounting and what I wanted to portray on my social media. Am I portraying? I'm a graduate with two bachelor's degrees who's now a public accountant or am I portraying this media personality and especially I mean Shit. You talked about people thinking. Y'All are whores. It's in our name so now as soon as I meet someone. Oh what do you do? We'll just type in. Hor We pop up and it's just like shit like Hor is even the title of this show and all that we've wanted to reclaim what we identify. What a whore even is in terms of dating or meeting people knew of course wanting to go further with it. It's kind of difficult having that conversation. About what what we. I just had a conversation with Kiki Well it was only an hour ago so it's fresh but On their Patriot episode. Where she said to me like. What do you think your instagram makes? You look like Kiki told me that she thinks it makes me look fun or whatever and she asked me if there is any misconceptions of it and I told her that I think for a while. I was conflicted. I think this is maybe a year ago on like should I make more depth to easy. Should I put more depth in there but I think that at the end of the day I use instagram now? Mainly not to connect with friends like I did when I first used instagram. It instagram for me was something that was. Oh I WANNA post pictures of my travels and see what my friends are doing and Blah Blah Blah Blah now. I know that Instagram is a platform for my business. Whether that be wheezy the brand or horrible decisions period so with that said do I give a fuck people think queasy is Doing Shit all day like writing or in school or whatever or Eden or doing engineering shit. I don't really care because no one cares about that content from wheezy. That's perfectly okay. I think that the only issue that comes into play is when people look at your instagram. Better wanting to date you and only view that But that's kind of why I like dating people that are almost in the industry a little bit because they realize like. Oh Shit there could be a little bit more to this bitch because this is just your brand but I mean no. It even happen to me. What obey he says to me all the time like I had no idea. This was who you are like when I looked at your instagram. I thought we were just GONNA fuck. It'll be fine and that's common for most men. I'm sure fuck with us and I before the book I guess I guess that leads into my next question. I guess for everybody. Has there been anything that you shared on the podcast that you regret specifically suspicious specific ambitious civically specifically as it pertains to maybe your sexual exploration journey or you know what a question we're sharing air pods but the question ways. Has there been anything that we've shared on the podcast specifically about sex We wish we wouldn't have or that. We regret Oh fuck yes. And it's it's crazy because like and Kiki knows is eight. That's my personality. I always there have been more times than not but I'd be lying. Fuck I'll listen. Why fucked say that? Why did I do that? Like I've Astros. I always over share meet new friends and I'll be talking a whole lot saved. Tell her that and this is because I really do like talking and I really do want people to know whether it's on the show or people in my real life. I like when people know how I really am. Aren't I when I talked to my mom about things that I've done whether it be drugs or sex? I like knowing that my mom knows who I am. I never want her to be like my child would never do that because your child would do that. And so I sometimes over share. I remember when when I first came on cocktails and I had. I always share this because I really could not let it go for like a week and we did that photo shoot. Remember we were in the car. My car on Peter Street and I had talked about a producer that I had fultz and I said his name and I was talking all this shit I was real Baudi and I was like we gotta delete it. We got a we. 'cause we didn't bleep his name or anything like I was like we. All you had to do was bleep. The name was Balaji as she had asked me episode. I was like hey by the way remember. You said maybe don't but you said somebody's name. Do you want me to take it out ours. She's like no leave it in there. Leave it there so I was like what is this word. As time went by even now I ran into this. I went to go pick up some to go food at a during quarantine I saw him with another and he probably never even heard the episode but the fact that I just like broadcast it in house lying. Fuck like I'll be fucking but nobody ever know who I'm fucking and I just like it wasn't even that I was embarrassed. It was just like I just gave you that clout like sometimes. I'm like he's a WACK ASS NIGGA and I hate when there's a wack ass nigger that can be like. Yeah I fucked her. I was so fucking embarrassed that I D I was into this Dahbi like. Why did I do that? Oh what the coroner with the Corentin Nichols coming up from the PAD. Lot like China reminisce. And I'm like okay. Calm down. We fuck a decade ago. Can you not make it private day? That's something that I've talked to you. I'm taking everybody as good sexting tips. So I'M GONNA put those into play later after I have three more glasses of wine. You NIGGA you start hitting up all your old Mitch already started. That's what I've been doing all this time start. What do you mean we're going there? We already but why are you hitting? Horny your name but you fuck again. Big On the patio. Well always nappy girl. No Shave my past and I can't use it right now. Okay I have a whack of what you do is when you stand on the shaven what you do. Is You stand in the shower right? And you put your leg up on the edge of the TUB and then you just I mean I'll know what your how how thick your booty is in the back but sometimes you gotta spread the one but Sheikh. You've gotta take a little razor going near say glow Buti I will say. Shaving is nothing compared to. If you're really used to waxing forbid you can get joe pushing back like condition aired takes off. I said I have a lot of hair right now. Actually at a hair got caught in just had a threesome. With a Harry Andrea had here pussies. Well go hold you before me and Dre. She won a narrative moment. She said one woman one minute IDA wait fifteen minutes for for dry hair. I hate it too but I was like. You know what we're GONNA work through. This is fine because pussy was still good so but I wait fifteen minutes for her to get the hair up off our pussy. She was like wage. I'll get whatever pussy ABROA- first of all many always says hold on. That's you fuck your friends. When you're drunk. Oh we was drunk. They were doing hookah and she. She didn't wax while he narrowly wait. Not even drunk they was. They was drunk off the hookah. We had order pizza and wings that night now drunk we did do wine. But they were on the hookah lex Andrea were on a hookah. Lex was not here for me. Fuck enjoy that night either. We ain't even got mad. Why would she lex was pissed likes? Likes left the next morning and slammed the door. Like I'm fed up with both of you bitches. They made it seem like I like like what are the Palestine. Fuck Andrey like sheep named Mike I plan to do it. I was like no bitch. We just got drunk and they the hookah and then I drew acid. I don't I don't do who could but like we was all next thing you know me Andrea was L. Spine is aggressive so much fun in pretty easy and the sounds are just so much hotter Okay y'all just go ahead and fuck that as soon as it's live joke with the band the world opens back soon as I get away. Y- box eater. Let's get into our mother fucking mail. Is this that sex omnia yet. I actually picked a different one because not new. Unbuckle her. I mean I was but I feel like we can do that another I mean. Do you want to read the SEX OMNI AFFORD IT? But I thought she rollin. That's a long as long as I was like. Oh pitch a little shorter way So this is what we're GONNA do it soon. All right so this comes from one of our listeners high ladies I'm a huge fan of the show and cannot wait for the La show bitch whenever they allow us to have that Shit. So let's get right to the point I've been with my boyfriend since two thousand fifteen and we broke up for a year and both of us moved on with different people. Somehow we reconnected and started talking about what we have been up to and the people we were seeing he. He's disclosed that he hadn't had sex with anyone but I was upfront and honest. I had mentioned that I had to have sex with one dude in reality it was three and I was in a platonic situation ship. The girl he was seeing was a lot younger than him even me. He's thirty two and I am twenty. Four overall was about five months younger than me. They went on to trips and he has never done that with me but really nothing. I'm hurt over that you heard over it because you mentioned that he took this whole on a trip you bitch you hurt anyways but realizing his bare minimum efforts plan anything as fun as trips and romantic dates. I have decided to not give up the box because he does not deserve it. I did talk to him about this and have not even tried to give him a straight answer about it. I realized I am just quite used. I'm quite used to his company but also considering he's a whole another state. I do not want to give this pussy whenever I do go to see him. During this pandemic I refused to sit at an airport. I can also drive but again I ain't trying to do more than what he does. Bitch how you going to say you not mad about these trips but you just fit for sentences about how you're not putting an effort but okay. I'm starting. I'm starting to think that I'd rather release urges with dudes from my past okay. Hey Kiki and just keep him by my side because emotional chords longevity. We have amazing sex and he is someone I actually really enjoy being intimate with so my question is do you think it is possible to be in a quote unquote monogamous relationship while also being celebrated should I even disclosing him of the major decision. I have came to or just act like I'm not trying to have sex. Sex is a sacred practice to me so I feel people who do not show with actions that they really do fuck with me. Do not deserve the box. I would love to hear what you ladies. Thanks sincerely emotionally attached. Ho to a half as energy Nigga so basically. She's feeling like she's not getting the energy she wants from this person who she does intimacy with however she has chosen to be celibate until she's in a monogamous relationship with society has had sex with him before he has had this at. She's she's do you think this is a this is a very manipulated? She's pussy out. You try to throw all those other words in there to say that you hold out on Pussy and and I really truly don't like shitting on women like that. Especially when they want to make a choice like celibacy which is a big deal and we should all respect and I actually think you could be in a relationship while celebrate because I mean that's how people that are really you know religious or go through Lenses Mr. Did it a friend who was an alcoholic and needed to refrain from sex from his wife for a little bit because he felt like that was taking place the alcohol. And you now all I wanNA do is fuck. 'cause I don't drink either. I WANNA cut out both. And she was great with it right. But now you're saying until I'm in a monogamous relationship so I don't WanNa fuck till I have a boyfriend is really what you're saying but you're saying it to a Nigga that you've already fucked so now you're trying to use your posts eating late payment. That will never right but not only that the fact that you're saying all in the body of the email you talked about how you feel like the reason you don't. WanNa fuck him because he's not showing effort to you and the fact that you know he just WanNa not fuck because he's not showing effort that's just try. It's childish I get it if you don't WanNa Fuck. Somebody's not showing you effort but then again ain't bench on you effort so you should've started off that way. So I'm saying don't do it because it's not gonNa work like your plan is not going to work but I think it was never putting the forward so like it too for you to withhold it now and think he's GonNa put forth the effort. He's not breath so you just need to throw the whole man section and be the right. Sex should not be the thing that's like. Oh well I'm GonNa take this away because he so he can be good to me. What happens when we need to make sure that people are good at all pointing to actually as this to you kike? Yeah because you're reaching out to people from the past. I'm curious to know. Are you expecting effort from any of these guys and you know and I wanna see them fucking beaches and stuff like that? That's all a one when this shit is over and I'm back outside. I don't care about them. I'm not reaching out to them to like reestablish a real connection or maybe bill one because we didn't have one beginning now and this girl just needs to give it up to God because this is this just makes no sense. It's not the plan and why I I agree I agree. And it's crazy because I think the effort is literally something that a lot of men don't realize like it could be the bare minimum as far as like responding to a text message in a in a you know good enough time or you trying to make plans with me. Is that little bit of effort that we do like to see for men and it's funny because I was talking to my homegirl. And they she made a she made plans to get some quarantine Dick and she hit him up at eleven o'clock girl. He hit her up at five in the morning. Talking about he fell asleep and so it was literally me talking like that. You pretty much. Let him know that. Y'All had plans the fuck and he hits you the next day talking about. Oh He fell asleep so even just that little bit of Effort. We both were just like. Oh he got to be written off. Can't get no pussy. Now Darren quarantine like why because I feel like he's lying right like you guys made plans to see each other that night so she all day made. I'm sorry I'm sorry. I thought you at eleven and they made plans and so she hit him up at eleven. Like I'm just waiting on you bro. Here eleven like I honestly my my Nigga our joking around the other day because right so so we do like two days off and I'd be making jokes that he got another two days he's like I'm a fucker. And but he's but he said when would I fuck her? He's we facetime. Every night I'd be in the bed at midnight I don't give up Nigga we've based on when you go to sleep and busy. She and Co Dick is low out here. There could be a bitch that could come through at twelve. Oh and leave it too old to trust me album that like I was just I was just gonNA say bitches ain't Shit is me 'cause I'd have been laid right up in the bed with a Nigga while he facetime so no. Don't do that Kiki stand. But NIGGA logic ages like homophobia I said. Don't getting motherfucker possible. I'm sorry I don't Ya not possible. We all know how how Emma fuck a bid then the other day right now I will say so. We we write him bikes either. Like a twenty mile bike ride. It is eleven thirty. He's like baby. I'm getting tired. I still really. You're that tired. That tired you WANNA bet. He's like what Houma who am. I have come through. Who's coming here? The bitch that's coming at twelve because you told her you had worked to do until eleven thirty because you knew I was a work because we talked before you go to sleep. But I'm telling you I'm crazy and also I also needs to pick these fights so we can have sex we pick sides so she could. That sounds that sounds all Tyson who died and had to do it in the really quick. But I'm just like what the fuck is this guy talking about. Well now I know well so crazy crazy bullshit. I mean serious but I feel like if we get in arguments. You know what I'm saying. Because he'd be like fucking crazy. I need this toxic unique toxicity of I guess before we get out of here. Medina if you can let us know Where our listeners can listen to cocktails what you guys have going on and also your social media handles let them know you can listen to cocktails? Dang airpot died but you can listen to cocktails everywhere. There is a podcast. Follow us on our cocktails page ad. Cocktails podcast on instagram follow Kiki he said so and follow me at coffee being dean and we will update you guys on what we have. We have a lot of bonus content coming on on Patriot own levy. Yeah episode they have two episodes featuring the and I but also if you guys are into reality. Tv Medina was a cast member organizations. They're any playing temptation. I like that. They are listen. I were my future husband is overseas station. Island was so like when I found out Medina was on it because I watched the first one when I had like a regular office job. And we'd be in the puck off came on Tuesday Wednesday like Nikola. The white bitch like so when Medina was on the show. I couldn't wait to come into office and be like my friend. Unlock one is on. I'm not even going to hold you though. Like but tween temptation island and now I think they have too hot to handle net flicks. I need to know the casting. I need to know the casting people for black men on reality. Tv because those aren't what fit them they should be on TV because they do in two months. Let me tell you something I'm GonNa say. I'm very close with a lot of the casting. Directors and producers of. Send it to him because I thought I was going to meet my being. I'm meeting you you'll get you a Carlton. These are the black men that you choose like. An even for the one on Netflix physicals. To be the hottest men they they went to all the country. And then I'm like here's what I will say. Though having done a reality show they put you so much testing that a Lotta niggers. Get cut out of it. I mean like if you have yeah because I want I I WANNA see no real hunting back. We need to go through back testing. They need to send you to Mexico. Mandy what would they would Ya es. Td Medical testing they put you through an Iq test. They have you sit down with a therapist and psychiatrist. You have to go through so many different levels and pass it that it you start to see the fine. Nick is when you're going through the process you see the findings and then you get to the house. And you're like where's that and again you lay day. He either didn't pass. Std's he's crazy happened. Maybe so I didn't even go hold you. Can we get back to the days where they were casting for like flavor of love? 'cause they or like well because they weren't as intrusive. Internet didn't nobody could cancel them key led the eagles. Did she see a Republican? We're not going to bring her up. Oh well we will bring up speaking to Iq and Plug Shit. I have something to plug. I'm actually super excited about this. Quarantining has made me call a lot of friends and learn a lot of shit so one of the friends that I wanNA learn shit with. Who Was Eddie Della Sepe? He came on our podcast. We decided to start a new podcast comes out tomorrow on the twenty eight. It's called for Fax Sake. And we get on their each topic. Every week is random and we just talk about random topics I think we've got a donald trump scientology. The one you guys will hear. Tomorrow is a tiger kings. It's so much fun and I love it. We have a segment called. Who What and where? And it's like a ranting segment and my Nigga. It's fun it's and I'd be like say Nigga where Eddie but he still feels energy. Yeah man that sounds pretty serious that plus it bit. He's the L. Yeah he's and he's white ain't got so he'd be. He'd be talented little. He tells me he got his Spanish jokes off. Though I was telling a story about Maria. She's not cleaning. Oh Shit but now the podcast is fun. You learn random shit Please like listen to it. I think you guys like it And we got a little trailer we made and Yeah it's fun it's a good project for Quarantine. I feel like Johnny. How are you guys doing? As far as being creatives during quarantine feel like. This is my time. I've been coming up with all kinds of sheets and I'm so excited because my new Mike's came on okay. Grog is great yes. I've got more stuff to film with probably films tonight. I don't know but I've been really enjoying it. I forget I technically work from home but the commission so dope that like y'all we were all talking about how it's like reality. Tv doesn't cast the right black man. I will say they like Kiki has been coming up with ideas for like reality television and that naturally in my mind if this is really does produce a reality television show we will see the Nigga that we want to see ANTIFA whether they pan. We're not gonNA worry about that. She not gonNA worry about the backlash she gonNA bring us the Knicks on the reality TV and it's not going to be like an on own is going to be on your Bravo. 'cause I'm way in from from a couple of the different shows that I did watch to like Shit. Even there was a one Q. On the circle but he was so lame once he started talking. We all know. Morris are like the basketball player Nigga anyways and maybe that's just me because that's my tie. Leung when they don't play ball you'll be like damn you got injured now now that this corentin during this time has been definitely interesting I love all of the creatives are getting in their bag and finding ways because I do think that life as we knew it will not exist in the same capacity at least for the next couple couple years specifically with like live venue performances festivals even sporting events bitch. I can't sit courtside. I thought about get up and be like that but no so I mean. It's definitely interesting to where we are now but I love the everyone's getting behind Mike getting in front of their cameras and creating content. Also guys there's a lot of Huge networks that are looking for content creators. So if you go to like a comedy central or bt or complex a lot of them are now looking for creatives to bring them content and this could this could potentially end up being a check for you. Since I know a lot of us have checks that have been taken away from us so definitely start doing your goals and reach out to that to that. Shit I guess thank you kike. Medina for finally joining us. Thanks for Um we got Maduna in the building and Kiki reaching out to old negatives thank you am. I feel like everybody is in a good place right now and I love that like yes did this and I literally feel like I'm with Y'all I feel like we're having a girls night out in and this was so much fun I fucked with you. I can't wait to see y'all in real life and we all right. Maybe we have sex. What do we think afford them now? You will we going. I Dunno already as Kiki if I could bring boaty downstairs Fanconi body. He can stay. Stay with me. Okay okay. There we go put boaty to ask. Because I'm like Bitch I got a whole lot. Y'All that's all that can come. I love all animals but no no Kiki don't don't say body can't come if he if he because Especially because he'd be climbing scratch shit type of cat. I like okay so different kind. Welcome anyways thank you okay so I looked like this on my end up fucking Medina before you then we all really anyway guys. Thank you for tuning and yet another episode of horrible decisions. We are going to leave you with a five minute. Bonus clip from one of our past bonus episodes again if you guys are looking to support the brand and also get more content during quarantine. We have over sixty episodes on our Patriot platform and for our top tier listeners. Within I are doing this thing where we bring on. I think the next one we plan to do two hundred and fifty people instead of one hundred. But we're working on doing kind of live interactive. Wd episodes with you guys. 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There's a restaurant that's opening a supper club where it's a three course meal that you get. I think upon entry it's like eighty euro and then you have access to other stuff in the venue like hot tub different rooms. It's pretty much a sex club but the only thing that's a little bit different as you can actually order sex on the menu so what I want to know. I think you made a joke about paying for sex when we got into some ever shit but if you had the budget and if you had to order. I got the budget. The budget like let's say you had to spend three grand at this place like they gave you the money like let's say you had to. Let's say you're on some influence or shit and they're like Mandy be. We would like you to come to this restaurant. I Need Ruby La- cheeks Dick on the menu. Who's Ruby lachey black? No soccer player in London in London. And I'm not going to be a cheeks I hope it's legit check. I Dunno it's spelled E. K. I don't know I bitch I'm American. I don't know how to list Shit. I don't know how to pronounce it. I will doubt these type in our. Ub DENIGER GONNA pop up with his. I'm on you know. Go to his instagram. Are you know are you? B. E. Y. It's Ruben Loftus. Cheek is his name rule. Yeah Bitch that's who I won't flip through any Lychee who they want to not being fluffy handcuffs. I want him anyway. I I'll take them raw mitch. Three question I'm not. I don't I can't honestly wrap my mind around paying for dig. I don't know why you'd be trying to give you the how you want to pay for the if. This is an ice breaker where we are not horrible decisions right now Mandy. Hey Hey Melissa. What would you order on a menu? Would it be oral sex? Would it be penetrated clearly? Wouldn't be say to watch? No let me pay to address it out of a Nigga no I want I want three SS lined up bit the fuck over. I want fine ass Nigga just booting hall spray it wide open and I get to just go on Ramli pedder. That's what I want. Okay so you want to order. Some of you may be order. I want to order it. But if you're telling me you're telling me I got A. I got to pay to do some. I want three Budi holes bent over. I want them to spread. They own cheeks and I want them to. Actually I'm lying not an. I'm lying. One of them. I want bent over the other one I want on his back holding his legs back in the last one. I'M GONNA lay down to make them ride me boom three positions right there and dominate. Oughta as literally as well before you go. That's what I want to pay for all. Okay go ahead what do you WANNA be? I WanNa make love with a big cuck. Go ahead. No no I would pay for. I'd pay for like a tag team like a good gang bay. That's even in the gang that I would WANNA do. I WanNa Gang Bang a NIGGA would know this. So like had mice drought. What other bitch like Ramsey says? Yeah I WANNA be dominated pretty bad. Oh you WANNA BE I WANNA DOMINATE. Somebody in the game because you clearly like my favorite kind of porn. Oh It's disgusting. Yeah I couldn't imagine that like strangers come on my face now like strangers. They're going to be a stranger. Let's pretend they're I know you want the bfe boyfriend experience. Move with me. After I am too. Oh my God yeah not not one hundred percent not interested in being full call it anyway. I mean I just well. That's the thing though because I want such degrading sex. I need a little bit of that. After like okay. I can. I can dig it. I can use a little so the king of the week. I'm not sure if we've ever done it before but I saw a video about it. Oh we gotta do this For microphthalmia and we done that. What is it? That's shit right. Have we done that in a show? I don't I don't remember you know what it might be one that I've been meaning to bring up on here honestly and I'm just like how to talk about insects because between halls you if I go to the House Nazia Roach Bitch my pussy Dr Not fucking. I don't WanNa see bug anywhere. Someone's House yes I have. My mom used to laugh at me because my uncle actually a lot of my family met Rochas and a house and I was allergic mommy. I can't go today house. Because I'm allergic I'll like roaches. Like not at all and then when I lived in Atlanta. There's these like centipedes.

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Full Show (Andy Dalton, Kevin Durant's return, Larry Bird vs. LeBron James, CeeDee Lamb, LeBron's off-court activism)

Skip and Shannon: Undisputed

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Full Show (Andy Dalton, Kevin Durant's return, Larry Bird vs. LeBron James, CeeDee Lamb, LeBron's off-court activism)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jerry Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So Skip Shannon. Let's get to it good morning while I'm Jenny. Tap FOR SKIP bayless in Shannon Sharpe. Today I'm door wonderful today Jenny. I'm doing wonderful today because as long as I get to talk about my Dallas cowboys were back in the saddle and Kevin Durant. Maybe coming back pretty soon as the best player on the planet and Michael Jordan. Be Obvious Goat. I am great. There's some things we can debate Kevin Durant. Maybe being the best player on the planet. Okay but your cowboys being anything. Good no debate there cowboys. Katie Michael Jordan and we got a good show Ola Being there as well but how about we start by talking about those Dallas Cowboys and new quarterback Andy Dalton who called his signing with the cowboys his quote best opportunity. That was part of a big picture plan. It was also reportedly one of six offers that Dalton received it's easy to see what Dallas was the best opportunity since details have come out that Dalton could earn an additional four million dollars in incentives although they will be tough to reach so Shannon did any. Don't make the right choice. Going with the cowboys he is from Texas. He grew he played for. Tcu This which is very close to Dow in the Fort Worth area so it's very close to Dallas and so I think the thing for him is that it does give him an opportunity and that's this is a blessing and a curse because I think the thing is is that he's not GonNa get an opportunity to play a lot so basically he's going have to. Bait a base moving forward on his past resume is hard for you to deduce the guy that we really mean considering. There's an opportunity or the chance. He doesn't get an opportunity to play but I can understand why he would come to Dallas given the pieces that they have around especially offensively have a very talented offensive line. Have a running bag. Top Five every year rushing to or the first one years he led the League in rushing. You have two guys outside you take a receiver. I Brown so they're loaded up. You could understand if something were to happen to that. He had to. He gets an opportunity to go in. You could understand and you could see. He just might even flourish considering what he wasn't Cincinnati early in his career when he had A. J. Green toddler boy with help and so forth. And so on so I did. It is is a great opportunity for him now. That being said it also an opportunity for him to get exposed. He goes there. He doesn't play as well as anything. He's going to play or people think he can't play given the circumstances and then people like well. If you can't do what you used to do with all that tallaght good are you gonNa do come into my football teams those skipped. I think it's a great opportunity and I just don't know how much you've got to be able to showcase. It's like skill you don't know how will call work if you know someone never cranks it up in driving. It might look good. You're filling in the driveway with all. We know we don't have a loader slow if any don't just play then I think he could highlight and says okay. Yeah this was really really great opportunity by the way right now. My car looks really really good in the dry. I don't even start it out. Yeah exactly back to Andy. Dalton this is one of the weirdest stories I've ever encountered completely explicable and for all those years that Andy Dalton was in Cincinnati. He was maybe the most quarterback in pro football. And I didn't care about Andy Dalton. Now I really really care about Andy Dalton because he very well could be the starting quarterback for my Dallas Cowboys. The Red Rifle Al- suddenly comes to life because Shannon the harder I look at this the last since it makes to do not equal four. Which is the number worn by the quarterback? I have loved Dak Prescott so let me get this straight. Andy Dalton says he had five other opportunities so five other teams said. Please come and play for us. That sounds like it could have been a little bit of a bidding war in that. Some of the teams might have wanted him worse than the Dallas Cowboys. Did I assume Roy England was in the mix? I don't know that for sure. I assume that BELL CHECK MINA wanted Andy Dalton to come in Nice fit for his system sort of Brady asking the way he manages the game and compete with. Jared stood them a quarterback who's never obviously started a game and going to try to replace the goat. Tom Brady I assume. Jacksonville was in the mix because his former coordinator in Cincinnati. Jay Gruden is obviously now Jacksonville. I assume they might have wanted him to come in and compete with Garner. Men's shoe a young quarterback still trying to establish himself in the NFL. I remind everybody Andy Dalton in his first five years in Cincinnati averaged winning ten games averaged. Yes and he averaged in those first five years. Throwing twenty five touchdown passes a game. Dak So far in his first. Four years has averaged. Twenty four touchdown passes a year so one more than Dacca's in the early stint in his career and Andy Dalton made three balls and took four bengals teams to play. Offs Didn't win a playoff game but he got for those Cincinnati teams to the playoffs. He was scheduled to make seventeen point. Seven million dollars next year and they were able to draft. Joe Borough loved that and they cut Andy Dalton so suddenly he's a free agent and he has five other opportunities probably for more money and he takes no money to me. He takes office three million dollars base which was barely above what they'd already offered to pay. Cooper rush their backup to boy two million. They cut him yesterday. Predictably but already scheduled to pay him two point two so they went to three for Andy Dalton and think about this with incentives that could get him to seven but Shannon. Did you look at the incentives? There is physically impossible to achieve the. He has to go win the Super Bowl seriously. He has to play the majority of the snaps in a super bowl. Victory to get to four million more in incentives that would get him to seven total for the year. Seven million but really. It's just three base for Andy Dalton. So why would he choose such no money in Dallas except to your point you went to Tcu? He's from the Houston area. Katy Texas he does have a home in Dallas. It's about a thirty minute drive from the cowboys facility which is up in Frisco and he does have to fairly young boys six and three years old so maybe since they already had their off-season all narrows like well. Let's just stay here for a year and then try to hit. The market is a free agent but Shannon. I don't get it because something else is at work here. My theory is that Jerry Jones is at work here and we're going to topic later in which we're going to talk about the comments that Michael Irvin made about Jerry Jones on Dallas radio two days ago and I'm just getting hate him weekly. We'll get to the depth of them later in the show but michaels point was he was advising CD lamb on how to deal with Jerry and he said Jerry didn't become a billionaire not being very persuasive jurors one of the greatest in the world to play for but boy when Jerry get something in his head he gets running with it trust me. He can be very persuasive. I believe he got into the ear of Andy Dalton and he said hey we have hit a crisis point with Dak Prescott. I believe that somehow some way jerry all but promised Andy Dalton he was going to get some playing time this year in Dallas without explosive offense. Because all of Andy's comments were out. Happy is to be able to play for Mike McCarthy to learn under a guy who coached Montana bar Aaron Rodgers and how he said. I wondered an opportunity to win. Well we'll again. He's talking like he might get a shot to actually play quarterback for this team Shannon. My told you my greatest fear. Is that Jerry? Jones has decided his negotiation with Dak. The new agent has gone completely south. That all of a sudden. Jerry is to the point remember when he reaches that that point of no return as he did once upon a time with Jimmy. Johnson is head coach. He just he just goes over the edge. Nobody has a quicker temper or a longer fuse. It takes a long time for the temper to go. But when it goes Shannon it just explodes. I have witnessed it detonate and wind jerry detonates. It's over man. He doesn't care who you are or what value you have. He just moves on to the next and it's starting to feel like he's very happy to have a shot at Andy Dalton and that his powers of persuasion convinced. Andy Dalton that this thing has gone southward Dak Prescott to the point that either he might rescind the franchise tag that. He's pledged on back until July fifteenth or it might be the jury thanks. Dax could hold out in that. They are convinced he's going to miss real games. And Andy Dalton will get a shot. That's the only theory that makes sense to me of why. Andy would turn down New England and Jacksonville in favor of playing behind a quarterback Dak Prescott that he's signed sealed and delivered Shannon. He's sixty four for sixty four. He's never missed. A game played in all sixty four games. He's eligible to play for. Well he's the most durable quarterback and pro-football. So why would andy darn shoes? This unless Jerry convinced him I don't think it's going to be there for us when we start playing games next year. I think Andy Dalton believes he's going to play for the cowboys. I think there are a lot of things at play. Let's go back and look at it this way. The most glamorous job in pro sports in which you are not a starter. Is the backup quarterback because everybody still been around this game part low? Everybody thinks the backup quarterback is better than they actually are and then sometimes it proved to be true. Backup quarterback is pretty good but more times than not. He's not what you thought he was. It was just you out on these. Starting quarterback skill insurance is like this. We have insurance on car than most people have health insurance. You really hope you'll have to use it to have a surgery. I don't WanNa to have to have the need to use the car. But it's nice to have Jerry saying look man I've been I've been at this day. We better stay with that for almost a year now. We may no headway. I don't WanNa have to use his insurance policy. Which is really don't but I'll be damned from going to the season without having it and I think he's looking at it like that it's killing for any don't part. They did him a huge disservice and I'm not surprising that considering they do a lot of things backwards skip they knew they were gonNA try trade partner for at seventeen point seven million when everybody knows. You're going to release it. So why would I trade team of seven round draft? Pick not forget twenty twenty. Why would I even you a seven round draft pick in two thousand twenty one when I know I could have him on the open market because they would is a long to do that. Don't maybe would have had more sooners buzzkill when you get down to it. Okay look let's just say for the sake of argument. He lets Jacksonville teams skill if he goes to Dallas. He doesn't play he feels. He can reenter the market in twenty twenty one as a viable starter skill. You will go to Jacksonville. That don't get an opportunity player. Don't play well. He's not going back into the job. Market is a starter. You remember what happened with Nick. Polls Nick foles with really good in Philly didn't skill and he got all his money. Got Money from Jacksonville. All going to turn it around his former coordinated their woo and what would happen. So Eddie daughters looking right even if I don't play in Dallas they win. I can remember the Job Market Star in twenty twenty one as opposed to going somewhere else sitting on the bench and they lose at least at the cowboys win win. The division everybody going to say you do added with a great sounding board for that is going to say how much having eighty dollars really helped them progress. Yada Yada Yada. Everybody's GONNA eat that up. Eighty dollars returns to the job. Market in twenty twenty one of the Bible Starter. So you're saying Andy Dalton basically chose to take a year off and just sit on ice in Dallas. Yeah Yeah don't think about that skill thinking about what James His doing now. Km reports camp says he knows it won't a backup job. James took a job at one point. One what the likelihood of James started the game in New Orleans. Considering now drew brees get hurt last year breed more did but for the most parts in his twenty years. He had missed a whole lot of time but they drew brees is what seven eight games total in twenty years as a starter. So the likelihood of you're missing tab is a very good the alum phase give is that Jerry is looking at it like this. I don't I don't want to have to use this insurance policies kill but if I have to cash in it is nice to know even if I have an accident I hit somebody. Somebody hit me. I'm taking care of. Will the DAD choose to hold out? I got a guy that started. The majority of his career have played really well at his career. All the things that you mentioned the four playoff games the poor plan for appearances in his first five years. Okay I can deal with that and consider what I have around. It skipped his castle situation. You got all these weapons around. Just don't F it up and they handle the throw to the open guy which is a lot easier said than done. What's the problem? How you Miss Vandy? 'cause he knows he gives an opportunity plate and he missed that up. Where you're gonNA start as you. Okay I got you. It's a great move for Jerry. It's a Steve L. The deal for three million base to have that guy in your back pocket as the ace up your sleeve but remember James Shows New Orleans and drew brees is not a contract hold out. Drew Brees to my knowledge is healthy and happy in ready. Probably just one more year so I get why James would say. I'll sit and learn from drew and Sean Payton for one year. I'll go to his said the Harvard sort of of quarterback schools. Because there's a good chance that in one year drew brees my just call it a career and all of a sudden James would be in the catbird seat to be the new starting quarterback of the New Orleans Saints. It's a beautiful situation and a great move by James. Take only run million dollars a year. One point one to be ready in position to replace drew brees. I don't believe tastes them. Hill is viewed as the long term starting quarterback for the New Orleans Saints. He's still gadget guy. He's fallen into that. That niche and mold and I don't think he's going to be able to get out of that stereotype that he's in right now. So Jameson. A sweet spot because he get a huge new deal to be the new starting quarterback of the Saints. Dax going nowhere if get him finished if they get the deal. Done signed sealed delivered for the next. Let's say five years. I know he wants four. Let's say four years the next four. What does that do for Andy Dalton? It he's going to have to go elsewhere. Something is up here. Shannon. I don't see it. It would seem to that just on when you have a family to provide for. You've got a wife and two young children that that you'd WanNa match your money out. He's thirty two years of age is Andy Dalton and he said I prefer prepare for the next half of my career. You know. He feels like he's careers about halfway done right now after. What is it nine years? But he could probably a new said years. Certainly as you said something interesting you said that Jerry has it. Takes a while for the for the fused burned-out but once it burns out goes boom. Let's just say for the sake of argument. They don't get in long-term deal done and it and that plays on the franchise tag in here. We go all over again next year. And Jerry's the hill with this. I'm not doing this again. Because the tag is thirty. One point three thirty one point four. This year is going to be thirty five thirty six. Maybe even thirty seven next year. Jerry is a hell with this. I'm not going through this again. I'm moving on Dad. Good Law. He had any adult who had a year under his system. You're under his belt in that system. So could you said that he said that he? He got enough of Jimmy. If Jim I'm doing what if he does that. We're dad after this season he might. And that's a good plan. B Theory for me. I agree with that but my point is Jerry had to discuss that eventual possible scenario with Andy Dalton in sign saying that Jerry had to indicate to Andy Dalton his agent. I don't love what's going on here. I don't see a real good about it and as I said earlier. We're we're reaching a crisis point where I'm not sure he's going to be here long term to your point maybe one year at thirty one point. Four million under the franchise tag. Maybe it's an unhappy year. You and I both agree. The tag is does nobody any good in. It never seems to to to create anything but ill-will from both sides. You don't believe in. I don't really trust you. We saw what happened with Kirk cousins. He made a lot of money to go to times around in Washington with the tag but but they never never got married. They just never got married. Now it's feeling like this is heading for some kind of not a divorce yet but a separation almost where the two sides trust each other. It doesn't feel right. I'm going on my antenna which are usually pretty good. Something is Amiss here for Andy Dalton to say yeah. I'll take three million to play for the cowboys. When you've got the most durable quarterback and pro-football something's up Jerry Convinced? Him encouraged him persuaded him to see the bigger picture of. I don't love where this is heading the cowboy fan. I don't love where it is headed. I thought this Dak deal would have been done a year ago. You know what nine we've talked and talked about is he gets these deals done and he invariably overpays his stars invariably this time. I believe you don't believe but I believe that is asking demanding outrageous out of bounds unrealistic money that even Daddy Jerry will not pay to another one of his sons back except to your point. This son is standoffish arms link. I'm not really our son. I'm just your quarterback. I'm really just your employees Jerry and my like you and I WanNa know you but I don't WanNa get close to you so that's happening also. We're not this father son relationship that occurred with Romo and Jerry with Dez and Jerry and Michael Irvin and Jerry and we can go right down even Zeke Jerry Z. Congenial father son relationship. I'll I'll pick but all those guys sucked up to Jerry kissed up to Jerry. Tried to get stay on. Jerry's good side and we're going to talk about just in a few minutes here but Michael Irvin's point. Is You have to learn how to manage Jerry. Jones is saying I'm not in the Jerry Management Business. I'm my own player. I'm my own inference. And you're going to have to pay me supreme money top of the line money that I think he's asking beyond what even mahomes will ask for. So the point is if it's reached that sort of a crisis stalemate impasse you better have a backup plan. And he's got a very good one. He's got the best backup quarterback in football. He's got a proven star. A good guy not a ways maker a guy you could plug and play. Because he's he's very accomplished. He's not exciting. He's not scintillating. He's not box office. But I believe Andy Dalton could win. Ten Games with this team is starting quarterback. And that's all Jerry needs to know right here right now Steve. I believe you said this is a marriage between the cowboys and but I believe we're heading for the check. Box irreconcilable differences. I believe that's the path that we're heading on if they don't if they don't get this but skipped believe is better for Andy to sit on the bench and not playing all in Dallas as opposed to going somewhere else playing three four or five games and they're not those games right because then we see the anticipation of what we don't know scale. We like what we don't know if like the dog. Okay that's why Cincinnati got rid of right. Okay Okay last quick point you brought up. Nick Falls Do. I believe that Dalton could do for the cowboys what Nick foles did two straight years in the postseason for the eagles. I do not. That's not the way Dalton is built. He's a regular season quarterback. Nick foles not so great. He's not a game to game to game. Guy Andy Dalton. It's plugged him in game one this year. I believe he played very well. And you could win ten games. Do I think he could do what Nick foles did? Especially after the twenty seventeen season for the eagles. That was one of the great quarterback runs we've ever seen to super bowl. Mvp and beating. Tom Brady are outgunning. Tom Brady in that Super Bowl so do I think. Andy has that anymore. I don't but by the flip side of it is nick. Foles can't do what Andy Dalton has routinely done in regular seasons. Hey I'm disputed listener's time for some Exciting News Fox sports digital the team that produces this podcast has been nominated for a Webby Award for our coverage of the twenty nine hundred feet women's World Cup in Paris. I was there covering the. Us Women's national teams. Incredible run as repeat Champs. Sedav LAIMA on Cuiaba. It was truly such an amazing opportunity experienced so many stories. I was lucky enough to help. Tell if you enjoyed our work. We'd love it if you could visit. Vote Dot Webby Awards Dot Com. That's vote Dot Webby. Awards DOT COM to support our entries. 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How do they play without stepping over each other of they have some good pieces right now? Dinwiddie cares vert Joe Harris. They have guys that. Fill a nice role. They have some nice role players. Obviously when K. K. D. and carry works combat. They would be inserted into the starting lineup. And then you'd have a nice second unit also skipped that that the hardest thing for me skipping see. How would these guys play together? 'cause basically you'd be throwing them into the fire now we don't know how many regular season games they're gonNA play to finish this regular season. How are they gonNA play five or they're GONNA play Tan? Are they going to get it all twenty and then the playoffs star? Is he going to be the best? Three out of five. I don't think it would be go back skill. You remember. They used to be two out of three in the first round. But maybe three out of five for the first two rows and then the best of seven for the conference championship the dog in the NBA finals. So that would be my concern because rich climate kidneys needs. Are Business Partners? There's something very interesting. He would possibly be able to return for the Olympics that we're going to start in July but then said he didn't really know he didn't feel scenario work. Katie would return for the regular of regular or the playoff so skip. I think they're a little concerned. They don't WanNa chance this thing. I think that was just wishful thinking. Pilots Guy. I don't really think K. D. would've played in the Olympics. Even if the Olympics had were to have gone up in late July of twenty twenty so I if could they do some damage yes they might would be the second best. If he's still would have the hands full with Milwaukee but I think they could potentially through. Everybody else phillies still have some issues going on right now the third best he would probably be the the. Boston might call them some problems in the Miami but I would say they will be the second best team third no worse than third the east. I still give Milwaukee a slight edge. I agree with your conclusion. I'm just going off a gut feeling all I've seen heard read in what I know about an Achilles Rehab. I believe he's going to play in abbreviated playoffs. And with to your point and abbreviated close to the regular season I think he is one hundred percent healed because you know and I know that a whole year's time is plenty time to heal the Achilles. It's dangerous. It's the scariest one of all. It's hard because you're your calf atrophies you know and you have a hard time getting the strength back in the Achilles side leg and yet by all accounts from all the videos that I've seen him post he looks great. I think he's anxious to play. He told the. Us Olympic Team Selection Committee put his name in the hat that he wanted to be considered depending on how his Achilles was doing. So that was the first note that encourage me and then even lately. I've Seen Frank. I solar one of the top NBA reporters report. I think on ESPN. He believes that both Kevin and Kyrie will play in whatever playoffs we have. I saw Brian Windhorst on. Espn say that his. He's leaning toward believing they. Kevin will play so the point is question is what if he inquiry dupleix? I agree with your chemistry angle because the only thing that would separate the box then from the nets is just that Kevin Korea haven't played enough together and they haven't played together with the supporting cast. In to your point. I think the supporting cast is pretty good. Because then we a natural born score. Dinwiddie twenty-one a game now they're they're thirty and thirty four there in the seven spot. They haven't been very good. They've been mediocre at best but kessle avert he's like a ticking time bomb of the score. He's he roussaly went off for fifty one and then he had a thirty four recently so he can score in bunches and all we know. Joel says he wanted three point shooting contest at the All star weekend. He's he's making forty one percents of his threes. Now he can really shoot it. And then you didn't mention Jared Allen. He's averaging ten rebounds a game and don't forget deandre Jordan is still there and he's averaging ten rebounds a game those guys can protect the rim. I still believe Kevin is the best player on the planet. We saw him win back to back finals. Mvp's and then it looked like he was all but on the way to winning another MVP incompletely completely turning around the Toronto series year ago and that happened the Achilles went first downs the calf then it was the Achilles and yet you saw a big extended flash of all areas that's Kevin Durant Kyrenia only played twenty games this year but he was really good in those twenty games. He averaged twenty seven point four and he was making thirty nine point. Four percent of his three-point shots going on forty percent from three. That'll work. And he and Kevin Ore. Oddly sort of soulmates. Kevin chose the nets only. Because Jerry said let's go to the nets Kevin seemed to be like. Okay wherever be say? I'll go now. They do have a rapport off the court. Could they establish one on the court probably pretty quickly? So I'm with you. That bad team would all sudden look loaded enough. They could release. Challenge the box to win some kind of a playoff tournament and and then on the other side we got Lebron versus Kawai and the clippers. I Dunno I would favor kawais slightly in the clippers slightly over Lebron but pay would you rule out Kevin durant shocking the world in winning it all I wouldn't. He's too good and he's fresh and he's he loves Kyrie in and they get along so great together I I would not. I wouldn't tell a write off this team. I wouldn't count them out or write. A mom was killed. He's progressed at three on three point time. He's going to have to play five on five. He's going to have to put himself in a situation skill in really push off that lay. He really is driving if getting up and down the court and the thing is okay when he gets tired. How how many minutes are you going to play is gonNA be able to restriction? Are you going to play in fifteen twenty twenty-five thirty minutes a nice deal all that goes into it and the Cambridge drew issue because they have if they had played together. Okay okay they know each other. They play together but playing each other. Four brief time skipping the Olympics four years ago. It's something entirely different having a guy on your team and try to what not only blend that guy in which you've gotta try to blend these other guys and as you mentioned then we'd have a fifty point game Caras Liberte heavily fifty point game carry heavy fifty point game this season. We Know Kate He. Can You got the playoff game last year against the clippers? So you got four God potentially could go get you go off at any point in time. Again you fifty. The point is give. Somebody's going to have to be accepting the of coming up the bitch now. I started thinking about the birthday. I wrote Malaria K. Back early I'm showing you what I can do. Then what is a thing? I'm showing you what I can do. Skill I'm sorry all those guys are not going to be in the starting lineup. Somebody's going to have to say. You know what I gotta swallow my pride. I gotta be Louise Schiavone Sacrifice. Come up bitch and be offense and like I said I would say that were at worst case gift. Even with the chemistry issue. Third Best Team in the East right now. Ralston has played really really well. And we know what real- walking represent but everybody else could be. Has Anybody else could be. Hey they a big to throw joy and be the Andre Jordan as you mentioned Alan. They can throw big body. Edit Miami Miami's has to nasty they go shoot a bunch of three but what I take the five game series over the net especially if Katie. Come back and get some time in the regular season and get some timing now. I would. Not all I know is what you've always agreed with. Which is Kevin Durant is a seven foot monster with a foot reach? I've never seen like he would sit up so high we're about to talk about. You're just a few minutes on the show. We're going to talk about Larry. Bird who shot the ball way back over his head. Will Kevin Durant way up over his head at seven feet? Tall is literally UNBE lockable. A when he's on is literally unstoppable. He can also really defense. He can protect the Rim and shocked me in the first big around with the Warriors Against Lebron. I thought he would crumble under the pressure and expectation and the NBA world on the edge of its seats to watch him fall on his face because he had left Oklahoma City which had a three to one lead on Golden State and join forces with the warriors and yet he rose in shown in game. Three in Lebron's house in back-to-back signs. He took those games over. And that's when I sat back and said this guy is really special. I think he is right now. I believe he's clips Lebron as the best player on the planet. He's been out of sight outta mind this year so he isn't even in those kind of discussions. But I believe he would bounce back quickly and forcefully and you'll see a rejuvenated Kevin outside of the confines of all the internal squabbling that he was having with Draymond. Obviously in some to some degree was staff in Golden State. I think you'd see a healthy and happy heaven excited to play in Shannon. I gotTa tell you. I'm so starved for basketball. I I can't help but the hair standing up on the back of my neck just talking about Kevin Durant back on a basketball court. It would be great for the NBA. It would be great to have any basketball back. I I would Deji League right now but but have Kevin I re- back to back together on a basketball court with games. That really mattered. We just snap our fingers while La Playoffs. Let's go I can't wait and again. The Achilles happened in June toward June. So it will be over a year after that happened. I think he would be just fine. Surgery on. Achilles has gotten better and better. I believe he would percent. Okay yes you said that Kevin Durant Kevin Durant is really Unorthodox K. D. Would do what you least expect them to skip. Nobody expected him to side with the warriors until he did it. No one really thought he was going to side with the nets until he did it and so him playing would not surprise me because like you said it's been a year the questionnaire skill. How many minutes and how soon is going to pick the three on three and let it be full court because at some point you shooting each that thank feel good? You'RE GONNA have to push off skew up. You have to make his son because remember. That's what I agree. Made a sudden new any win. He would go every he when he was just array raising up and shooting. It was bad if when he put the on the floor and made that slowed move that he saw it. Roll the back of his leg so with that being said. I'm want to see how he progresses the fiber five but like I said skipped at worst case scenario very busy if they come back key. Carrie comes back. I believe they will be the third best team in the east now. Can they gain enough ground? Skip out and look at the standard before we started. We know. They're not catching the not catching Milwaukee Milwaukee. It's too far gone. There's not enough games to go. I don't believe they can catch ball in Boston. Is One forty plus game. So I don't know but Miami and fairly Yagi got y'all deputy get Katie Shannon. If he got in shape by the time they reached. Let's just say around against Milwaukee I don't even know which rounding it might be. But but he were in shape. He's better than Jaanus. I believe he would outplay. Jaanus on both ends of the floor and Yana says really good on both ends. But he's not Kevin Durant on sheer firepower. Kevin Inquiry or better than anything. I believe that Milwaukee can throwback Milwaukee's got chemistry unity defensives stability but they don't have Kevin and they don't have Kyrie and I would if they're in shape and in sync. I would pick the nets to upset the box that would the nest do? Have you know they can build that wall? You've got those big. They got Allen. They got George they got K. D. So you just gotta be able to keep us pain or some shoot. Three's fourth outside and if you can do that because he coming downhills guilt. He's going to do everything he possibly. Candor eurostepped you off the ball to get out into the easy book. If you can keep him out like Ronald did you gotTa tell but if you don't keep that kid away from the basket. Oh He's be dropped. Thirty five and twenty chair make things interesting if he did return if it can get a little basketball back. We're keeping our fingers crossed. Nfl DOT COM release their offensive rankings for the twenty twenty season the sheafs Ravens and saints rounded out. The top three the cowboys took the fourth spot. And the buccaneers came in fifth. Tom Brady was only given a B rating but the receiver's got an a plus or Shannon is this ranking for Brady and the bucks to buy or too low believe is too high. I'm not putting them in front of San Francisco putting them in front of Atlanta for the simple fact skip we. Won't they'll have an abbreviated as we're going to have abbreviated minicamp? And so these guys have never played together. People at like last year did not happen and everything that went wrong with New England. Offensively is all everybody else's fault. They don't want to give any blame to Tom. Brady Tom Brady right now. Is Best case scenario a top ten quarterback but he's closer to nineteen. They is in the top five. I think we can agree. That's Betas. He's not a top five quarterback currently. You can't even get around that if you look if you Tom Brady. You can't even partial to say Tom. Brady top five quarterback right now so with that being says how do you how do you put him over San Francisco what they were last year or Atlanta. Coming with all their weapons. Now now going to be motivated because you know I forgot Tom. Brady's only guy that could be motivating. Nobody else motivated. Only Tom Brady change teams in going to be motivated. So with that being said I just think they're too high the top three. I got no problem with that. Kansas City I forget who their who are Baltimore. I have no problem with the top. Three top four teams. But I don't think Tampa Bay should have been in the top five considering they have yet to play together and some of the teams that they are ranked in front of play together last year. They have they have no chemistry issues and they know they. They've already been in that system. So for me I just take the Buzzer to high. Nobody wants to put any blame on what transpired in New England last year on. Tom Brady in with everybody else's fault except he is And I say the box are too low just like Brady is to love. It's lower than a snake. Okay help me out here. What did we any last year in Tampa with James Wisden at quarterback we saw for? We saw Jameson. Throw for the most yards in the national football league. Cy Five thousand one hundred nine yards from James Wednesdays. Rarely led the League by a lot. That was the eighth most yards in. Nfl history. That that's Pretty Great James. Way To go through thirty three touchdown passes okay. That'll work 'cause there's firepower around it but as you well know. Jamie's cancelled a lot of that by throwing thirty interceptions and losing five fumble. Thirty five total. Turnovers were twelve more than any other quarterbacks in the League let that sink in twelve more turnovers by one quarterback in Tampa Bay than any other quarterback in the national football league. Tom Brady had eight interceptions with one loss fumble for a bad offense in New England. So that's nine total turnovers verses thirty five what what if the bucks cut their turnovers this year? Pretty much the same offense down to. Let's say ten eleven twelve turnovers somewhere in there. Well that not upgrade that offense dramatically. Yes it will. And by the way that offense now features the greatest tight end in. Nfl history and a player. That Brady had the greatest rapport with the one player Rob Gronkowski who can get him through the night into the early season if in fact there's very little. Ota Training Camp Preparation. I rise if chemistry doesn't click immediately. You got me but I think rock will help him get through the early lack of rhythm with the other receivers so if I take. Tom Brady and I put him this offense with two pro bowl receiver. Zimbabwe this NFL DOT COM breakdown. Says that Mike Evans made a run in a stretch at Michael Thomas for being the best receiver in football last year and that Chris. Godwin also made a run for a stretch at Michael Thomas. They both made case for a while. They were the best receiver in football. Wow in Tom Brady is going to have those two plus Rob Gronkowski plus you kept. Oj Howard and you cameron bright. Are you kidding me and you upgraded your protection would Tristan worse that they stole in the draft. They got the best of the four stud tackles down at thirteen. They traded from fourteen to thirteen and stole him. He went lasted the four and he should've gone. I and he'll be the new Bryan Tackle Shannon. Okay let me just sum this up and then I'm gonNA give the ball back to you. I believe in this offense will challenge. Kansas City's for the best offense in pro football. I think he'll be neck and neck between those two for who puts up the most gaudy spectacular numbers Tampa Tom. Versus Momma's boy. It's going to be a dad fed heat at the finish line photo coach. Who What are we gonNA do about what we're GonNa do by Jack? Lamar Jackson he just going to do. You got diva firepower deal. Okay don't you? Did you just what he did last year? Still first of all Mike Gavin and Chris Godwin could embed the hope to be for the foreseeable. Future are the third best the third or fourth visit receivers into Sao my Thomas. Julio Jones has that a lot now they gotta take another slowdown down in the NFC because the hop over there so let's not get carried away. I understand that skill grants get Branca's men away for year. We don't know if we're going to get bigger scale you do remember. He started to wear down his last year had three touchdowns. He had his lowest number his rookie season. That happened. Yes Oh okay. Maybe he read me. Charges batteries make skill. He has some place get what he wasn't mcgraw that we remember you looking at the one. Checchi had in Kansas City. One big catch a twenty nine yard but is they season the play. The Caesar is more than three gains is more than a catch here there. You do understand that. All I'm saying is is that we need to see these guys play together. These guys haven't played together and talk to Tom is going to have to retrain the way he thinks. Tom Is not a jump. He just didn't throw it up like that. He did that with Randy. But how many get with a decade ago Zinzi last late with rent he mows. He's not playing with anybody. As big as Mike Evans says Randy so just putting the ball up he used to play with smaller guys which means he had his small window to put the ball in so he needed these guys to be where there was supposed to be. Okay now I got six five. I got six to Chris. Godwin out there. I got a bigger catch radius so I got to change the way I think skill so with Gras. Let's see what is going to give him early on. Skipped this step away from the game or year. Tom Brady is going to be forty three. So that's going to be. That's that's that might be an issue also but for me. I'm not putting them in front of teams. That's been there now. Oh you said it should be. Oh the cowboys who led the league in total yards last year. You see I mean my ready Muslimeen. Cd LAMB that's everybody been calling Raynham. Junior brain knows so they going to take a step back. You like. We got the best top bottom line. We Got Mari. We got galloping. We got CD. Go bows back and a buried motivated. Dak Prescott yes I do. Tom Brady is the goat. And the goat is playing at a supremely high level and the gentleman wrote this breakdown for NFL DOT COM did say that Brady was languishing last season in a broken offense with precious little playmaking ability at his disposal. I told you his receivers were dead last in the NFL. In what pro. Football focus ranks as separation. They could not get open. Julian Element beat down. Beat up broken down. Shelve himself led. The League in dropped passes all of a sudden. You give Tom Brady to pro. Bowlers at receiver and GRONK and to tide is OJ. Howard is a flat out. Coming of age stud even if just played sparingly. I'll take OJ. Howard over certainly think Brady had last year knewingly at nothing is titans. Last year were dead. Last is a unit in production in the NFL. And all of a sudden cameron braid a great red zone target as well as Gronk can be and then just real quick. I brought him up and I'm going to say it again. Little Scotty mill rookie out a bowling green now. The slot last year has supreme short area quickness. Watch him operate this year for Brady. Brady's going to love him and Ronald Jones that second round pick out a USC. Two years ago as a running back started to come alive at the end of the year he had one hundred ten yards the last game of the year against Atlanta. And I'm going to warn you again. My little man. For Vanderbilt University keyshawn Vaughn stolen in the third round. Got James White potential. This offense has firepower and the goat is GonNa look a whole lot more like the go this year now that he actually has some viable credible weapons everywhere he turns Shannon. You are in big trouble. As is my homeboy. Let me ask you a question of the team. That's in the top best ranked ahead of them. Who got worse offensively that nobody broadmoor get worse off in fact this? So homeboy got a little better Clyde Edwards Right. Pick up before the draft. I wish Brady would have gotten him but andy. Reid had the foresight to snatch him at the bottom of the first round before Brady and company and in Jason Light could snatch him so I give you that in Baltimore might have had is between Dallas and Baltimore for the best strapped they told you Devon Duve Rene is Jonathan Out of the Slot University of Texas. Haunted my sooners. They got better. Yes but nobody got in leaps and bounds. Quantum leaps like Tampa did Tampa's going from seven and nine to believe twelve and four because they got the goat and remember the goat is going to be coached by Bruce. Arians and Tom Moore. Those are great offense minds Shannon. They are coming all of saying if Dobbins do renege on a team. That had the unanimous. Mvp last year with a healthy Hollywood Brown. Oh they did not take a step back. The homeboy and that did not take a step back skip. I believe the forty niners look what they got receive in the first round like that. Oh and he said Oh what about motivating arrive discount? Double check that he takes off. He found out 'cause they did endured it didn't hurt but he gonNA improve him. He'll drop proud about thirty five touchdown. Another free probably memorial seven. Because he he refused. You Throw Border. Seventy session yoga. Yeah he aided ascension but he thought of all the way he led the League in throwaway and you keep talking about talking head of care to receiver led the League in no separation. He led the League in for always maybe was twenty. Seven completion percentage. There's only thirty two. So how the weather's give any was nineteen. Qbr I don't you mentioned Qbr. The loan mean you don't say we are scared to say coronal Rose Bennett talking about. Qbr You say Shannon you know and I know Yom Brady's simply had the worst weapons in pro football last year arguably he's got tops three weapons now and he's still Tom Brady. And he'll be reenergized re motivated to show bill. Belichick watch this and all of a sudden the center the new center of the NFL Universe is in Tampa Florida. Who would have thunk it? But that's what just happened. The momentum will carry this offense. They're going to score like crazy and Brady is going to have a complete re-rebirth at age forty three and Shannon Sharpe going to have a long year on undisputed love. How where he was throwing the Hogan. Amendola an element. Where else could these guys go in play? Tom Brady made them like this now. They can't do anything awful. Holo what happened to the guy that does more with less. I look for that Guy Worthy Jada you more or less than headed pitcher in addition more or less tar Brady Smiley now. All of a sudden he's stayed up join is everybody else's fault Shannon. He's never had receivers like this in his twenty year career in New England because ballot check never provided them. He is now about to do more with more. Wow novel concept here now now. I got the pool him. I mean it happens. It happens sometime sometime Detroit. They used to pull it lead to be pulled out in the ditch. Hey Trust me. I eighteen wheelers on the valuable told trump to sometimes. And that's what we got G. Oh eighteen wheeler told Home Shannon. There might be a long season for you. Arce was skipping this. Oh and work it out. Yesterday he's getting his work in. She got an so. Just watch out over the weekend. Lebron posted to his instagram. That he believes Larry. Bird could've dominated in any era and Shannon. You've often said Larry was your favorite player growing up and we know your stance on Lebron being the goat. But how close was Larry Bird? Tool abroad I start with you a bit. Closer than people think. I don't think people realize just. How talented Labor was and how great he was. Larry Bird was career. Twenty four ten in six got let that sink. In twenty put double Digit Guy. Twenty four and six skipped he could score the basketball win. The three point shot was not in bold skip. People don't realize this Larry. Bird attempted listened to three per game. Currently there are a hundred and ninety seven players attempting at least two points at least two threes. The game let us think Larry Bird are losing one of the greatest shooters of all time only attempted less than two three per game. If people well he he couldn't be doing what you're doing. Luca Dodge Lugar dodgers's ever knew twenty nine points a game. Is He cares you very good as Larry. I think I think Lebron scores the ball a little better Larry because he shoots the ball he can get down. He'll do better than Larry could. Now rebounding is a little a little bit. Better rebound for the simple fact skip. Larry guarded people that play closer to the basket. Bend Lebron Lebron Defense Guys. That's been most of their time on the perimeter so for him to average seven rebounds a game when he spent the majority of his time playing on the parameters pretty good but Larry was a six assists tonight got playing skip. Tiny Archibald one year was the point guard and the other for a lot of his career did his Johnson was the Point Guard. Did it was a bit with a with a two. But he played the point so we averaged six assist tonight skill. Larry finished second in the. Mvp three straight years before he reeled off three consecutive MVP events top three in the MVP boating from eighty one to eighty eight skipped dominant. But the thing that I love most about today's players and guys like Lebron. They will give credit to the older generation with the older generation. Seem a heart attack. You see what he's as guilty. Brian wanted no part of all the bad boy. Pearson Lebron said Man Land would have been good at any in any era you see. Everybody thinks they're era is special. But you know talent. Generational talent could've played in any era and it's hard for me to believe. I don't know why guys that were good in the eighties guys. They were good in the ninety seem so unwilling to give guys that are great in the two thousand and the two thousand eighteen and beyond the credit that they deserve. But I think Larry Bird is the second greatest small in NBA history by Lebron and I got Katie third. That's my rank and everybody knows you can go back to Glenville high school. You go to ask who was Shannon shops favorite player growing up and I guarantee you they will tell you Larry Bird okay. So before I address who was better bird or Lebron. Allow me to comment on. What just happened on Sunday afternoon via Lebron James on Social Media Out of the blue outer nowhere for no apparent reason Lebron suddenly posts owed to Larry Bird This is ahead of episodes five and six of the last dance featuring Michael Jordan the obvious goat and all the sudden out of nowhere Lebron Posts and Ode to Larry Bird. Wait a second. Are you trying to take some of the focus off Michael Jordan and say? Wait a second everybody. Do you remember Larry Bird? He played in Michael's era. And even Lebron didn't post this. I think Lebron is such a student of history that he knows full. Well that Michael Jordan. Never beat Larry Bird in a playoff game larry. Bird six against michaels bulls just UK. Never beat them. These were best of five series first round series and it was sweet sweet. Three three three to nothing. Three to Numb. And so I think Lebron is trying to remind everybody between the lines. Suddenly everybody remember Larry. Bird was really good. In fact it sounds like maybe. Lebron trying to make the case that even Larry Bird was better than Michael Jordan. All of a sudden a cold with four exclamation points will it? The problem with the post is for for certainly a student of history. It's such a duck. I mean Lebron. It's like suddenly posting out of left field. This magic guy. He was really good he could really play in any era or this Guy Karim. He was something special. Anybody remember Kareem abdul-jabbar. That's how it comes across like. Does anybody remember how good? Yeah you really Larry do member Blue Ho right well. No nose gear you off because nobody will play basketball if it's from eighty four until ninety eight. Nobody else play basketball other than Michael Jordan. That's what you in the last dance would. Have you believe that nobody wanted me? Mvp nobody else one final. Nobody has one finals. Mbp only only Michael Jordan played in the NBA is on they. Don't forget about over will so you're agreeing with me? That Lebron was actually saying. Hey everybody remember him because he was actually better for a stretch than the quote unquote goat was the star of the last dance. I believe that look on doing everything in his power to lead his blind witnesses away from Jordan toward bird. And it's it's a nice try. It's a little weak. It's a little lame. It's a little pathetic to me but it's a nice try now. Let's get back to JEN's question. How close was Larry Bird? Will I told you last week? I rank Lebron all time top. Ten number nine. He's nights on my list. I told you last week. An eight on my list. Larry Bird your favorite player growing up. So obviously I believe that Larry Bird was just a little better than Lebron. James has been so far through almost seventeen years. The reason he was a little better. We're back to the intangible killer will mental toughness clutch gene. Larry Bird was a bad man. Larry Burrows took a bunch of nobodies at Indiana State all the way up the ladder at the NC Double A.'s through March Madness to the national championship game against Magic Johnson. Johnson and Gregory Cancer and Michigan State. That was extraordinary and then he rose up again into the NBA and became magic arch. Rival is cheese number one rival and if not for Magic Larry would've won five finals probably five. Mvp He was very bird. Well Okay but Larry Bird to your point was a little better rebounder than Lebron. I don't think Lebron actually focuses on rebounding the way Larry did and one year Larry Averaged Eleven. A game which is pretty great. Obviously Larry was a much better shooter than Lebron ever dreamed being because even from the free throw line Larry was almost a career ninety percent free throw shooter and then as Passer. Larry Bird was gifted. He had that gift of seeing it before it happened. He just wasn't so much of a point guard as Lebron has often been or point forward. But Larry One year averaged eight assists so so you can see you have the capability of getting up Tennessee again. And then let's not forget. The fact Larry Bird made three all defense team three. He did it mostly roaming playing center. Centerfield stealing disrupting getting his hands on the ball and passing lanes. He did but he made three all defensive teams. That's hard to do when you're not exactly known for your defense and then finally you win three in the PS in a row and you do have three rings and you were rookie of the year over magic so all that adds up to me. That Lebron was right. This man was so old. Got this one. Right was so cold as even a little colder than Lebron has been auto auto. Let's see magic magic. Larry was rookie of the year. So the Brian Lehrer has three. Mvp's Lebron has four men. Larry Larry has three finals wins. Lebron has three. Lebron has three time files. Mvp Larry have to. Lebron has more points more assist more. Rebound I'm confused on the scenario. How do you get back? How if you're doing longevity stats can't compete with you there because as you know by nine hundred ninety two in the Barcelona Dream Team Olympics Larry's fast so bad. He could barely walk. He could barely get in the game play his ten minutes night so his career cut short. It was ended prematurely by a chronically bad back at a time when they didn't know how to treat back the way they do now so no Larry didn't have the physical therapy he did not have the ability to spend millions on keeping his body. The best it could be and I don't think he was a workout warrior so it cost him a few years right at the end of his career. You can't I came here with you on love every stats. Who's WHO's you know. Do I want the ball? And Larry Bird's hands at the end of a game or Lebron's a larry so every time day or night I love Labor and and I think the thing is this close in that. That's what says closer than people think gotta scared that because let at least we have this document and I don't know how many people saw the document of Larry Magic let's give people don't realize that were reports. He was one. If I'm not mistaken. Skip he was one steal away from quadruple double he had. He played thirty three minutes but they were blowing the team out. Casey Jones asked him. Did he want to go back in the game to get a quadruple double? He's now I've done enough damage tonight scale now you tell me the gas keep that needs one. Feel one rebound. This one point from getting a quadruple double considering that they've all been a hand for Kemalism Kalihi Kelly Akeem one had to. They rescinded it and he said no you were thinking it was a short. He came back three days later and got another one. David Robinson made firm. They didn't keep them way. Back with will within will was had a double double figures in all five stat state affairs rebounds blocks and Steel Buzzkill. The have a quadruple double. He's the nominee home enough damage or when he says you know what I'll play Portland lives head because I'm GonNa say this right wing for the Lakers. 'cause WE GOT THEIR MOUTH. Just give it shot. Almost every point with his left hand everything. You don't pay Larry Bird. You don't Pay Larry. Bird could've been great in this era. All you have to do is look at Luca. We'll get what is doing not the shooter not from the field from the free throw landing talking about Michael Jordan average boarded Larry Brown my average forty. Okay so allow me to sum up my feelings for Larry Bird by saying that since Larry. Bird there has never been a light. Nba Player certainly a why un-american NBA player. Even in the same league with Larry Bird. That's how extraordinary Larry Bird was. Yeah he's a he's a great he's the greatest ballplayer then still when people say. Luga is the closest thing that saying close like Earth is demars. Bass are closed. Because we've never Iran a white guy like Luca but now locate Larry now but he but he's the calls that we've seen that can score rebound an assist Amancio like orphans said he appreciated CD Liam reaching out to him to tell him he wasn't just respecting urban by wearing number eighty eight. Ervin also said he gave me some advice about Jerry. Irvine said quote Jerry. Jones didn't become a billionaire by not being very persuasive. Jerry's one of the greatest dudes in the world to play four but boy when Jerry get something in said he gets running with it trust me. He can be very persuasive she n. Why is trying to tell me? Live here Michael didn't need. Cd Lamb Jerry was swayze CD. Lambs wearing eighty eight CD lamb pleaded. He wanted to wear number ten in honor of the Audrey Hawkins who was his favorite player. He's wearing eighty eight and the only reason he's wearing that number is that jerry not only implicitly implied he explicitly stated that he wanted to jam lamb he wanted. Cd Laham to where the number eighty eight. Because of his good friend from college was a that later. War Eighty eight in college. So he didn't mean the tail. Cd that Jerry can be persuasive. Freebies wearing eighty eight but hailed across. What Michael is basically saying Z? Jerry Jones have a very unique relationship with Michael. With Dares Z. At some point in time another they needed Jerry and his power to do a favor. That's the difference between them. And that you see kill you remember last year. When v Withholding out and Jerry's like the WHO and they asked him and he said I've earned the right to joke with Zeke. You see if I do your favorite to the magnitude of what Jerry has done for these guys. You better believe I've earned the right to job in job all the time if I feel like. That's the difference Michael in his own sort of way is there's Okay. Jerry can be persuaded is especially off you see. He can't be persuasive for that deal. Good I will get no who played. I'm going to be cool over here. I need you to pull is drink for me so I will be over. You're sitting down and we already do this deal. Come see me. That's what Michael was talking about. Bayless you know that Jerry Jerry Kerr La away from Dallas. There is nothing that happens in Dallas. Would they football player that Jerry Jones does not know about before his media? Trust me. Okay so remember? Michael termed this a warning to CD he said. I warned him because he had seen already. This CD had gotten steamrolled by Jerry Jones. And You understand how to manage Jerry. If you're a star Jerry playing four Jerry you have to stay on. Jerry's good side because his good side can be great for you but it's a fine line between being able to stay on his good side but being able to stand up to him occasionally when you believe you're right and be able to to be able to manage him by by reasoning with Jerry Jones. Jerry is a reasonable human being. If you'll sit down and talk it through with him and you can do it by not antagonizing him or certainly detonating or alienating him. If you'll just sit with him man-to-man I'd I sort of son to father if you will and say. Hey Dad you gotta understand what I was thinking here and Michael said to cd you should have stood your ground because you believed hearing number ten because De'andre was your your idol and high school because you grew up in the Houston. Suburb called Richmond and he was playing for the Texans and he was you that he was what you wanted to call there the same type of receiver. Big strong physical run after catch. Go go up and snatch from any DB or two. Db'S BIG HANDS. Big Strong hands big bodied receivers with strong physical like dominating mentality so he wanted to be Andrei so if he couldn't wear number two because the NFL won't let you wear anything but in the nineteen is receiver or obviously eighty to eighty nine receiver. Well okay the next low number would be ten D Andres number. I think lot to CD LAMB to where in. Yes and now. He established his own new identity. And that's what Michael Does even tweeted B. U. Y. O. You capitalized yes. Yes so he. He was trying to warn him. This is how you have to manage Jerry. Because to your point Shannon Jerry can be the greatest friend in Dallas you ever had because yes yes he will make calls and he will call in favors and God only knows how many calls or favors he called in for. Michael Irvin Michael as we all know was involved in any number of career-threatening scrapes in in situations and incidents that that I can't even try to describe on live national TV but he was involved in some really ugly stuff and with Jerry's help he was able to navigate through most of it. And that's what Michael is saying. You stay on his good side but don't let him runaway train you because Jerry Jones. He's the most. Yeah he's the most enthusiastic man I've ever been around if you're around him for five minutes and I told you. I spent literally hundreds of hours around him interviewing him for three books that I wrote on the Dallas Cowboys. He's so optimistic and enthusiastic that it's contagious. Just rubs off I got swept up in it. I got caught up in it and so everybody around him and that can be a great thing but the point is that I think Michael was also saying between the lines. You have to be careful with him because you have to learn to stand your ground without pushing the wrong button because right once again. We talked about earlier in the show. Jerry has a long fuse to his temper. But when it blows edge just explodes and I have witnessed did go and when it goes right who cannot get it back. You can't undo it. Can't reason with him. You can't talk him off the ledge because he's already jumped off it in one nine news. You know what? The League meetings in of all places Tampa Florida after they had won two super bowls together. Jerry Jones Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy was with all the assistant coaches at a restaurant and they had a few and Jerry just happened to see all of his coaches at the same table and walked over and proposed a toast to the Dallas cowboys. Won Two straight super bowls and every body toasted at the table except for the guy at the head spot of the table. Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy tried again to the Dallas cowboys. Everybody clink glasses the second time and at the end of the table the head of the table. Jimmy glowered at Gerry. Because he was sick and tired of him and I get it. I don't blame him for being sick and tired but he had humiliated Jerry in public one too many times right. Jerry will always be the boss in the end. He has final. Say even over one of the greatest coaches ever Jimmy Johnson. And that was not the long fuse at Barnes and Barnes and he exploded slammed his drink down on that table. Stormed out of the restaurant went straight back to the hotel sought to Dallas reporters sitting at the bar called him over and he said two things he said. I'm going to fire Jimmy Johnson. And they were just like thunderstruck like they thought he was joking and he made the point that there are five hundred coaches out there who could win a super bowl with this cowboy team the because it was so loaded and I think he the five hundred coach on the list Barry Switzer reaching out of football for three years and it never coached a down in the national football league and as you know two years later they did win the super bowl with Barry Switzer. I'm a big Barry Switzer fan but the point was he snapped and Michael was right in the middle of it because Michael played for Jimmy at Miami in Love Jimmy and all of a sudden he's gone will will they all saw that that's Jerry Jones to. That's the darker side of Jerry that you don't ever want to provoke so that's all like trying to say the young. Cd learned the ropes. Learn how to manage Jerry. Stand up to him and hold your ground when you think you're right but do it nicely and don't push too far but I think he just folded up right away and said just K- K MR giants. Whatever you say. I'll wear eighty eight and that's what happens because gift still if you if you start saying no you can always come back and say yes. Who was you start out saying? Yes as hard to tell somebody knows my brother. We became successful. You know who play the NFL? Obviously family cousins uncles. Didn't do that. So if you ever Lynch Lynch on five hundred thousand if you start a scale when you know what to leave no no bra you could always you can always say yes. Well once you start give what you start that path. We've told you give in you already so now everytime Jerry. Do you still expecting to hear moving forward. Yes skill my brother got. My sister trump. She called us well. What color you get. It ought tell us. Give us a hail. You've got to drive while you go get Trou- do what you WANNA do. Cd should've got number team. That was the number that you wanted or you to tweet it. We to eighty eight. We didn't tweet. He wanted number thirteen. He said number ten. That would jerry wish jared where food jacket on Game Day. But I'm not word that's true. I would have done this. Jerry is feeling confident about his life after everything that happened at the draft. I have a feeling. He's enjoying his His setup right now guys wild goat debate between MJ AND LEBRON RAGES ON EVERYWHERE EVERY DAY. Kendrick Perkins said that off the court. There is no debate and the Braun is the greatest of all time and that department Shannon. You've mentioned this before. But you've got perk up when we're talking about basketball players. I'm assuming now and I'll go broader in a second cable. You look at what Lebron has done. And there's communities the promised school ability to speak out on issues that normally athletes wouldn't touch especially let's just stick with the NBA. The trayvon Martin. It was he started wearing hoodies. Still big about this trayvon. Martin probably lost his life because he had a Hoodie and all the NBA. Uniforms now have goodies. But that's just a second so he spoke out on that we've seen him speak out on other issues we see. Here's his upbeat. Stop for Hillary Clinton. I mean people. Might you know. Take Tom Brady. Tom Brady how to make America great hat and tried to paying. Just he wouldn't even do. He wanted to deny almost like Peter did when. Jesus told him you go to ninety three times before the Cox Grope. I would never do that. Jesus is showing the home when they came. They all know there. May Tom rated that just a problem. That ain't nothin. Lebron James. I'm on stage. We need to put this woman in office skip. He's taking chances that other apple before him would never take it because that brand because it might become Michael Famously said you know the other party by sneakers also so for him to take the stand that he and I think because he's done it we see other guys. Do we've seen other APP. Athletes in basketball in other professional sports. Take opportunity to say political relational take tweet out where we see injustices going on in our community. We'll see guys a tweet that and say what a miscarriage of justice whereas before guys would not even. Winfrey a thing on that for me. It's just hard for me to put someone of them. Ali ahead of Jackie Robinson given the Times because you have to realize Jackie did what he did. I think it was forty seven skipped and all he did what he did in the sixty skilled in the sixties were the height of the civil rights. He didn't get it. Didn't get any more combustible than that and I'm not going to kill someone has done nothing to me when the people right here. The turning the dog put them. There waterholes denied me and other there look like me. Equal Rights Civil Rights Act like. I'm not doing that for what you do what you WANNA do. You want these bills. Take 'em you WANNA take my career take it but I'm not going still in Jackie Mr Robinson. Having to come up scale when they would insult that he had to go through and people would say things and spit on him and do certain things to wards. It is hard for me. To put the broaden pro them but I think those guys made it easier for Lebron because he says there is. There was the if always the right time to say in. Do the right thing and I think has made it easier for the broncos but if we're talking about basketball players is hard for me to say someone is bigger than Lebron not career. You gotTA realize Corinne Summit. A Cleveland Skill as every college player. People don't really three was there. Are League Win Jim Brown? With some of the all time greats. He was there so but it's give I don't think he's. He's been as outspoken certain issues. Now behind the scenes we know what he he converted to the Muslim faith but Lebron James Kip is not even close. It's not even close and I think that's that's the difference between he and Mike Okay. This is deep and complex but allow me to make the point and I think you would agree every opportunity of how on this show as critical as I've been of Lebron on the court. I have applauded him on the court for the manly powerful stances. He's taken against racial injustice in social injustice in the I promise. School is legendary to me what he is done off the court. All of that is correct but when army and Kendrick Perkins goes to the point of. It's not even a debate that he is Lebron. Is the goat off the court. Man Perk. Be careful there Shannon. Make strong great points. You're eliminating a lot of history in one name. You didn't invoke that throw into the mix here Shannon the great bill. Russell was also at that. Summit Racking Ali Rei in Cleveland yes just remember bill. Russell was the first black superstar in the NBA. And he was he was breaking through in a city of Boston that did have a racist component to it. Let me just go that far and then build first black he did. He did Bill Russell. I black head coach because he was obviously the player coach for three years of the Celtics so he was even that and finally he was a powerful member enforce in the black power movement who was caused lean outspoken against racism to the all white media in Boston. Nets breakthrough man. That is you're threatening your very career. Which brings us back to. Right Kareem. He didn't have a loud voice but he had a strong voice. He he didn't scream. It said it softly and he said it powerfully and even wins so far to say about Michael Jordan. I've never defended Jordan off the court but he said of Michael Jordan. He chose commerce over conscience deep powerful way to say what the truth was and yes we get to Muhammad Ali and just allow me to come on top. What you said just to amplify a little bit what you said. Because Ali was my all time favorite athlete in and I was growing up in the sixties while he was taking charge in the sixties and he joins the nation of Islam because he did not want to to carry on with what he called his slave name caches play great and then he chose not to join the military and risk his career. And to your point. Lebron's never actually risked his whole career to take a stand. Ali Did right and he said. I got no quarrel with them Viet Cong. He didn't and so he said. I believe in my face so deeply. I don't want to go fight in Vietnam. I don't believe in an all white jury convicted him of draft-dodging and he didn't go to jail but he went into exile. And what did he do Shannon? For three years of his prime. It could not box. He lost three prime years of earning power and legacy building and he went on tours of America speaking at colleges against the Vietnam War when it was not fashionable to speak out against it and to campaign against racism in America it was it was not fashionable. He didn't have twitter or instagram. He didn't have anybody else on his side from the black community. Doing exactly what he was in athletics. I mean you had Dr King Right Continue Salvadorian but but the point was all league was breaking ground in losing. He lost his career for three long years and then came back with a fury and it was sensational to watch. But Yeah You're right even Colin Kaepernick if I can bring it up to contemporary times. Colin risked his career in any lost it to take a stand right so as as many great things as Lebron is done he he hasn't gone to the point of having to risk not having basketball anymore and I'm not trying to diminish any way shape or form what Lebron has done but man. That's that's powerful when you're going to risk every rain to take a stand that's when you put your money where your mouth is and those people. Yeah if you have to understand that when guys were when he did what he did. Mohammed Ali was very unpopular. He was even popular in the black community because there were other black men that head of the draft and they had to go fight. He was not park agreed. Even D- even like doctor is is how it comes skill. I think for me. I think it really changed Muhammad Ali and he had done great when people saw him like the torch and Atlanta in nineteen ninety six. He was no longer. The Guy that was quick with skip. It had all those get into the Berber Jar matches. It have left of make everybody laugh. They looked at him and said what this man endured. He's and torch. That's what this is about now. All of a sudden he became a sympathetic figures because at the time heals cares the gate it. Nobody was talking about Muhammad Ali in the term. Nobody thought I guarantee you Muhammad Ali? We'd probably have you probably ask if why Lottie Gum did think he would be what he became later. In life it will be very interesting to hear what when he was doing what he was doing. The he added she did he. He would become visible. Loved figure. I can assure you the king had no idea. He was going to become beloved because everybody even people that were. Gifting quoting now defame. Lebron has been unbelievable. I don't know if we've seen an athlete. This big obviously skipped because now you have all these media platform so it'll ask it forgot about Arthur Hash. We forgot about him what he was killed. Lebron James is your ball at now in today's time. Yes it's hard for me to see someone bigger than he is taking a more outspoken stance. I got can I please add one more name to the list? I don't know if you remember. Craig Hodges do Shannon. Because he was Michael Jordan on his first two championship teams in three years ago. Craig Hodges wrote a book called the triumphs and struggles of an NBA freedom fighter in ninety one before Michael played in his first finals against magic. Because of the Rodney King beating here in the L. A. Area at the hands of four white police officers. Craig Hodges Encourage Michael and Magic to boycott game one of the finals. Take a stand for the black community and racial injustice social injustice and he says in the book that Michael Just flat out told him. That's crazy and that magic told him that's just too extreme and Craig said his response was what's happening to the black community right. Now is very extreme and because of were out spoken stances against Michael and the League after another year and one more championship. He basically got as you call it. White Bald from the League and his career was over at age. Thirty two and remember. He's one of the greatest shooters ever. He won three straight three point. Contact us at all star weekend. So there's another name of a guy who risked his career to make a statement. He wasn't a star that he risked it all remember. He said that he actually tried to give. If I'm not mistaken I forget whether it forget who the president was. At the time it might have been ninety. One Ninety two have been I Bush Bush Bush or the first ain't he tried to because remember everybody says well it instead of just being? So how's it won't can? Why don't you go sit down with the president and try to talk to him? He said I did that is it. I try to take him but skill even I didn't go but they tell you what you can and can't do. You are not to pass anything. You are not to have any isolated conversation so they live all that in the bud so this notion will take something and and talk to the President. That's not happening is a photo op. That's what you're going there for. Take the picture. Did a part of this because normally they got like five or six group that's coming in to take offs also so they're not great right but I agree Craig. Hodges and he had a. He had some very outspoken things to say about my remember when he went to the White House after the first championship he wore a Dashiki to make that statement their powerful guys. Good stuff all around from both of you so. Nfl DOT COM ring. How Boulder Division Champ was coming into this season? The packers took the top spot despite going thirteen and three and reaching the NFC championship game right behind. Green Bay at two were the eagles due to the competitiveness of the NFC so shannon. Do you agree with this? New related themselves utopia low about not every I go back to the Super Bowl Gillers. I think we're as seven years of age. He was the one that built the cowboys team. He drafted Bob Lilly. Michael Irvin Randy. Why all those great so bill? De of resumes impeccable skill. But I think the thing for me when I look at it. I can see Green Bay and it's not because what happens on the field. I think they got some turmoil of ruins skip. I think they created something that didn't need to be created and I think it's going to be a problem and in each one of these teams. There's only one team I really think when you look at it. I think it's Minnesota. I don't think green think Chicago. I I don't think Detroit a thread. Billy I think the only threat is the cowboy cowboy gear. You already know what Y'all GonNa do. It breaks my heart to know that you're going to be disappointed again. You take like this but I really don't because when you hurt I hurt and when you're hurt I've heard it but I'm laughing sort of from in front of you know there but I think Green Bay skill because I think what transpired with them moving up to take join love skip I pick. They created a problem. I really do and I think it's going to have real rippling effect throughout that team and I can see. Yeah so I do agree with deals. Lift number one but fairly losing that division. Okay let me take them one at a time. Green Bay was fluky last year. I'm still in how Green Bay went thirteen and three and got to the NFC championship game. With what was the fifteenth? Best offense the fifteenth best points scored last year. They did have a surprisingly good defense. Edson ninth in points allowed so it was topped in defense sort of out of left field out of nowhere. But how many Mondays did we come in and say we're not sure how. Green Bay won that game or that one or that one. Aaron Rodgers had his career worst. Qbr In his career. Worst completion percentage those ranked eighteenth and twenty first among quarterbacks respectively. And I thought Aaron Jones was actually more valuable last year than Aaron Rodgers Pro. Football SAGAS ranked Tim fifth of the running backs. But I still say it was mostly the turnover differential. They were tied for third. That got them through the night and tilted the playing field occasionally in their favor when it didn't deserve to be so again Sluki. Trust Kirk cousins. Not Exactly Fox. Bed has both these teams over under on wins at nine so they they both looked like nine seven ish kind of teams. I thought in a soda how to better draft. I liked the first two just Jefferson. I liked Jeff gladness a lot out of TCU. I think those are two round picks and you're right. Air Now has an issue over his head and shoulder pads. Do they really want this kid to play sooner than later? Which brings me to another quarterback controversy in self inflicted in Philadelphia. They draft Jalen hurts the second round. I think it's going to be hard on Carson wins. I just think on paper Dallas just got better. It's close but they the cowboys got better. They have a better head coach. They had a better draft because I think they had the best draft. They stole CD lamb in the first round. They added pieces on defense draft in free agency. It just got better. I'm sorry. Did they went out and signed a top five kicker. In place of the worst kicker in football last year Brett law her Brent Malden who who had the worst stats in the league and cost them. I believe two games and they win eight so they could have been ten and six. I'd give Dallas the edge now. I'm GonNa sum this up by saying. Dt Most likely to fall out of the top spot is the one gillibrand picked at number four. I believe the Patriots are ripe to fall and Shannon Sharpe guess. What team plays the toughest schedule next year? Off from last year. New England does New England got worse they lost Brady. They obviously didn't have the GRONKOWSKI. I just I kept waiting for Bell. Check to do something in free agency and something in the draft and he did next to nothing they are going forward with. Jared stood him in place of Tom. Brady. Are you kidding me? I think they're going to be lucky to finish eight. Nate Buffalo is better on paper. Miami is better now. Miami had a very good draft. Enter Terrific Free Agency and again Ryan. Fitzpatrick got hot at the end of the year. He beat the Eagles Fox Merle. He went eight ers against bell checks defense to win the game and the last two minutes and Foxborough so could be better day could be better. The jets are still the jets. I'm sorry but they are but when I look at the schedule I'm looking at Non Division Games for the Patriots next year. The Away Games. They have to go to. Houston go to Kansas City. Go to both. La's big cross country trips. Go to Seattle in home. They have to deal with Baltimore and San Francisco on top of the Buffalo Games. The Miami Games I. They're going to be lucky to finish eight eight to me. They're not going to win the division. So I'd say the best odds fall I would put it on the Patriots give. I think the big that just goes to show you. I think the number one reason why he didn't put them number one with going to check. I think the thing is he's looking added. Do I Trust Sean McDermott. Do I trust to coach Miami. A Bryant floor is is he basically said. I trust coach. Bela check and that depleted offense. More so than I trust these other coaches even though they upgraded berry entire team. And so. That's the way I'm looking at it but I look at Philly's guilt they're gonNA get Elaine Johnson. Bank WHO MISSED THE LAST MONTH. They'll get DJ. Who missed basically all of last year they get Alshon back. They traded for good when they traded for the draft. Jalen regular skip. I believe they're going to be better. Tackle they selected last year. I route he feels for Jason Peters. I believe they're going to be better with last year. So yeah they got this one in the bag and it's going to send me my shirt. I won't go to give me an eagles shirt already. Tampa twenty twenty baby. Any bag got already. Who's starting quarterback who is in jail? Jalen is GonNa Take Offs. Starting quarterback is it added. Andy Dalton play in win. Okay ten and six old six. I got the red route really. Hope I really hope down. Okay be good like you told me the musket. Oh He's now with you. Go New England. He was the musket not read rifle again but watching the back is watching bid how quick turn you hope you watch it. Yeah get it done. Get it done. I think I thought about when Jalen hurts went to the eagles was how is skipped. Get a handle this because bat is seriously what I was thinking about. Charles Barkley said despite being a longtime friend of Michael Jordan's he doesn't see the two of them reconciling anytime soon Barkley said that. Mj took offence to is critical comments. About how Jordan conducted himself as a GM Berkeley said. The comments were made as an analyst nearly a decade ago and that. Mj has his number. If you ever wanted to talk so Shannon Jim Problem with Michael Jordan refusing to make peace with Charles Berkeley have a problem with it because you had no problem with him now making would say. You had a problem with that. Skill skill is tough. And this is what I tell people when you get into the business and a Lotta Times. It's hard for people skills because that means you're going to have to criticize guys you played with played against in everybody's not willing to do that out of willing to do that from the Junk Hotel You. I'M GONNA call it like I see it and I've had may have brought you. Will I got a job to do you do your job? You make my job easier. You don't do job. You still making my job easy. 'cause I'm GonNa tell you like I'll see it skill and that's the hardest part about being a professional athlete because we don't like to hear that we've done something wrong. Well we've said something wrong in. That's why I've consider myself very fortunate that I've always had free. Tell me what I needed to know. Not what I wanted to hear and Michael. He can't he can't eat you. You gotTa tell him what he wants to hear. You gotTa tell him to do an unbelievable Bra. Do you see the the not the lack of success you're having in Charlotte and but Charles. There's nothing you can do. You have a job. You have a responsibility to do. You did your job and a year remembers give. I told you be Beano Frigo without forgiveness. I'm sorry okay. I do have some sympathy for Charles. Barkley here and I agree with your point. You do do your job the right way. You do it objectively on players that you played with and against love that about you and I liked that about Charles. He made a tough love comment about his dear friend. Michael Jordan that ended their relationship because he went inside behind the scenes and instead was the comment. Let me get it exactly here. You've got a quit hiring. Stop Hiring Them. Kiss asses is the way he put it. Okay I've told you from the start. Michael Jordan was the greatest performer. I ever saw in any sport but some of the things that drove him were not pretty. And you're not going to get me to condemn him here today for. What made him great. Yes he was ruthless. Yes he was. Har Less yes. He took no prisoners and he constantly was feuding. Or beefing with this guy or that guy and sometimes he's Sabri of you'd just fuel him. That's what he was made of. And if you were in his inner circle and you dared to cross him you were crossed permanently off that list. There's no forgiveness in Michael Jeffrey Jordan. That's what made him great. Because he played without remorse without compunction he did not care. He was cold blooded. All that mattered win at any cost. He wouldn't cheat but at any emotional cost he was going to be and the point. Here is that do. I love it out away from basketball. What he did to Charles No. I don't love it but it is vintage authentic Michael Jordan so. I'm sorry in by the way quick. Comment on Charles's comment. I don't believe they're hiring. Kiss ASSES WHY. Michael has been the worst. Gm in the history of basketball. And I've often called him that again. I am not objective about Michael Jordan but I am about Jordan GM. He is a pathetic picker of players judge of talent. And it's not because he surrounded himself with sycophants in quote unquote friends. It's because he just doesn't have a great deal for what works in players who weren't as good as him he keeps saying. I'm Michael Jordan. Why can't you be as good as as I was we? We're sorry we right. So He's been the owner and operator of the Charlotte Franchise for thirteen years. They've made the playoffs four times and never won a playoff series in the NBA. Where seems like half the teams make the postseason? So then you can't defend it but I will defend Michael for just being Michael. It's not pretty. It's ugly but in some total it made for the greatest player performer in the history of sports. I've never seen anything like Michael Jordan. And this was why and Shannon. I witnessed him fabricate seafood's one night with Sean Leonard. The heat in January of ninety. Eight ver- Sean. Leonard's he'd taken apart the Bulls in Miami is ninety two seventy two and the return match was in February at the United Center in some L. Michael decided that it was. Shaun who had mailed off in Miami and I don't think he had so every free throw Miami shot that night every free throw biamby shot that Sean went back to be back on defense and stand at the far free throw. Line Michael didn't occupy his face in the lane for for the Bulls. He went back with the. Sean leaned over and trash talked in his ear Every free throw that Miami shot and basically told him you you know what and how do you think you can guard me? And he torched for Sean Leonard for thirty seven points. That's just Jordan. It was ruthless. It was heartless strong. But that's who he was and that's why he was is skip if I'm if we're friends and you tell me something that you believe is for my best interest. I'm not going to get upset. Let's give him you divulge a secret something that only my closest friends. No Yeah. I'm don't forgive you. We just not going to be that level of France. I'M GONNA go my way. You go your way. But as a Barclay offering honest assessment of why he thinks Michael is not as successful as general manager as he was as a player. I don't think that's grounds for him to like knock. Ain't never speak to you again. How dare you criticize that Bra? I go to jail you. You just laid about thirteen fourteen years. Four playoff appears never getting out of the first round. All these players think about everybody that you draft the Buzz Buzz Buzz Buzz Buzz. The only guy that wasn't the buses Kim Walker and because you're such small market you can't give him X. dollars but if you look at all the other guys kid Adam Adam Morrison and all these other guys killed Morrison bus trips as simple as dash in so skip the greater the player. I believe the greater the player. The harder deals for the pick the talent because he's like why can't you do? It was so either for me. Yeah that's why you all time great because you made it look easy. Everybody can do that. Bring Gore is signing with the Jess. Nfl Team Gore is third. All Time on the rushing list just over fifteen thousand yards behind Emmitt Smith and Walton Payton so Shannon is Gore Hall of Famer guys. Thanksgiving you do everything you can to get my my hall of fame pass you. Keep asking me these questions told you before. I hate the question because talk. Like he's in the hall of fame. Let me he doesn't want the other guy to get in things. I Pray Gore is in the hall of very good skill. I do not think pray. Gore's a great a great back. He's put up unbelievable numbers over an extended period of time. But skip if you ask me to be one hundred percent honest I don't believe Pray Gore the hall of Famer. I don't think he was ever dominant. I think he was very good. I think he's played a long time. He's been very consistent but I don't think he's great. I don't think he he was a dominant player. And so I would say no way goal hall of Famer you just gave a very objective and very correct answer. I've often told you there. Is this thing called the hall of very good and that's where Frank Gore belongs. My golden rule for a hall of fame is if I have to think twice. You're not my hall of fame because I have high standards. Frank Gore's Gonna. Finish THIRD ALL TIME IN RUSHING. That's very very good but in no single year of his career did. I ever think man Frank Gore's transcended. He's the best running back in football right now. I never thought about him but he's very so. I'm sorry you're in the hall of very good Frank Gore and that's pretty great and and that's the thing I mean there's good there's longevity there's consistency but I'm telling my great dom that you like. May I gotTa have that guy if I had that guy difference maker? I don't see you skip and I'm sorry you just ain't no I'm not I'm being objective and honest as I just. Don't see it going to be thirty seven next week on. May Fourteenth impressive last that. Is it for undisputed today guys us again? Same Time Tomorrow everyone undisputed.

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Stonewall

Queer as Fact

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Stonewall

"Hello, and welcome to clear as fact, the cost bring you create history from around the world. Two at time. I'm alice. I'm Jason, I'm ally. And today in honor of the fiftieth anniversary, which came out the stonewall riots. Before we start, we have some content warnings from Steph site, obviously, there's absolutely is largely centered around police harassment and violence against people. It also brought a period, typical qualified yet and discrimination, including brief mentions of imprisonment and institutionalization. It also includes historical racism, sexism and causes them and Monday, transferring BIA, within and beyond the movement as well, as I mentioned of guns, sex work listless, and drug use this upside will also include swearing and the use of Quebec slows and quiets as well as out they language to describe queer identities. Both in court and when explaining the thinking and asked you at the time I also want night that using a mixture of she her, and he pronounce was very common amongst queer people in the nineteen sixties I've trained to use pronouns most commonly used for each individual cousin in primary sources that doesn't mean that the house they exclusively used. There's also means for the sake of consistency and decision that allure warfare into stormy Deloviye who I've previously referred to episode on her using. Then pronouns using share pronounce. Speaking of stormy, though, I'd also encourage you to check out, don't hurt as upside on Masha Johnson before listening to this episode of some background on these people. And also just Don quia life at the time with me, talking about, I'd also like to welcome Jason to the second ever history, episode of this podcast, gladdened back. Sometimes it's very hard to get us all in one room. And so we have Jason's that have Iranian today in terms of sources for this episode we have a wealth of ARL histories and written sources from people who were either connected with Stein, wool and eloquent of infants who actually present during the riots, I referred to plenty of days when I was researching, but it's also wasn't I knew that I realistically could not listen over eight. All of them so that they will say relied on second resources in particular historian, David Carter has a huge amount of work in terms of piecing leave accounts together and making a coherent picture. All what happened during the storm while right to our lied, quite heavily on his book, in terms of the sequence of events and stuff like that Martin Guberman has also written a book called stonewall, which does a similar thing drills unless Arnold history. So it was less rear in terms of trying to make them fit together. But similarly Britain's tomorrow histories together to explain strangle. So I'm going to stop with some background about the quia landscape and slowly queer political movements priest, I only have time for a pretty so, so explanation of this sometime. We'll do individual episodes on things like matching and the doors of us. But for now, we're going to do a brief summary of these early queer organizations in the USA. I've always said, the Mattachine society, not Madison and it's just called Madison. I've heard both okay show. I think it's officially called the medicines. But people don't necessarily things got slackened said medicine. Yeah. So he's speaking off Madison society. The medicine society was the USA's first nationwide Homa file society. That's the word that we're using the time rather than gay. So it was founded in nineteen fifty and Madison, largely catered to cease, white middle-class gaining it was specifically an organization for men so that kind of quivalent women's organization was the doors, Politis switches founded in nineteen fifty five it wasn't explicitly cease white middle organization. But that's what it was. So the mansion society was explicitly. That's why not. No, I meant national wasn't neither of them were neither of them. All right. But Mattis what I was finding was Madison, specifically catered to men and the doors politest specifically catered to women and they both did cater to the middle class out. They didn't have the what is middle class, but they didn't say that in it in their constitutions or whatever. So being out as a queer person in the fifties and sixties in the USA, was very, very risky. You could this job you could go to prison. You could be institutionalized and subject to arrive of nonconsensual medical treatments. Danny Garvan, who was discharged from the navy for homosexuality in hundred sixty seven that's another thing that could happen to you. If you were out or outed, he recalls that the idea of living along, happy life as an out, gay person just was completely foreign concept and something that he had no models for and no understanding that it even could happen. So he knew a lot of all the game in and he says most of them will living double lives, where they were married, but they also cruising all in matching or something in this was something that activists talked about. Turmeric centra, Harvey milk, even once it was sort of, like getting into like the eighties nineties, and it was comparatively debtor younger gay activists would try to exhort the older people community, like it's okay, you can come out now and they just wanted to be like, yeah. That possibility is past for us. This isn't relevant to Wella's. Yeah. Yeah. I got to be conflict that we will talk to on. We'll maybe talk valley debts, depending on how conversation goes is that conflict between people who had grown up situation, we're being out with an impossibility and people who had grown up all kind of come into their queer identity in a time when that was becoming what you did was out, for political reasons as well as personal reasons, medicine, we cause of this situation was berry, berry secretive. They always it with their blinds down. They didn't really advertise publicly a lot of people wouldn't use their real names in the society, or in society publications. When did they meet, I can't tell you exactly where they met eisenson secret? This is the F B. I know is I can't remember exactly where they met. I do know that at least once they were kicked out of their rooms by the landlord win. They did advertise publicly landlord realized that a gay society was majoring in his building and kick them out by, I don't know specifically weather it. I'll throw my. Edge Delic move around. So we'll do they have like this club? They did have a clubhouse or kind of office. Yeah. That's as much as I can tell you about that. So because of this whole situation, it was very difficult for them to kind of make themselves known. And even full queer people who want yet kind of involved, increase society with other people to even find out that these groups existed. So in nineteen sixty Madison membership was at two hundred and thirty members and the dose of the lettuce was at around one hundred. Okay. So reasonably small yet, and I think there will probably more people who are doing things like reading the news, let us on stuff like that bought in times of people who were members. It was very tiny. Sorry. Did you say where these organization, say Madison and the door to Blad is, what by founded on the west coast of the US. Now they did spread throughout the whole country. So also, they had like different chapters. Yes. They had Chester's. Yeah. Yeah. They had checked with so, yeah, imagine how to chapter in Washington and then chapter in New York. Yeah. The east coast. Chops. I'm aware of, but they'll probably, and same with the noticeable lettuce, and what they did what they talked about. These groups will also pretty conservative to allies. They largely deferred to the use of psychologists went on that kind of what is actually -ality was its place in society, which is largely you time. It's actually, as a mental illness in the same way that brought society did at that time. Randy, we who you might remember on Masha Johnson. I remember any Randy was a weird time. I rattled strangely about Randy. I think it was a mixed bag. Good. Good stop, and like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. He's going to be around more. So rally is a man, a gay man Europe in Texas. And he joined Madison New York around nineteen sixty and he recalls a member of the group saying Tim around this time. How can we expect the police to allow us to congregate? Let's face it, where criminals Yukon allow criminals to congregate. So there was a lot of internalized homophobia within these societies. And I was still fighting about whether they were criminals or whether they were sick and stuff like that amongst themselves before, they could even start talking about how we can interact with society. Yeah. That kind of internalize conservatism where you haven't questioned authority. Yes. So therefore, you're trying to reconcile holding queer identity with the fact that you don't want to rock the boat. I guess, in yet is a whole. Yeah. I think they'd more saying, we want to come together as gay people to have a community, but less sort of we wanna come together as gay people to fight for our rights. Yeah. It's worth mentioning that Madison was founded by Harry. Hey who was? A communist and quite a radical left wing person, and the society drifted conservative after its foundation, and he quit after about three years or something. 'cause up that so this situation is more complex than I'm going to be able to go into, but broadly speaking that were pretty conservative. So do they have goals as an organization or is it just provide a space for game intimate? They goals for more social than political. So it was nice lead us providing a space for people to make that did hold talks and things like that bought that talks will often. I will get a psychologist a medical professional to talk about sex valid, and that would mean that will be two of me about homosexuality is an illness, but it can be three therapy and stuff like that. So they get a medical professional to Trump's the group while they want medical professionals talk to society, like what to talk to the group. All that very bad. Yeah. On a couple of women who in the doors of belied us, who even mentioned that is often seem to be therapist, using it as a way to get clients. Yeah. So it's, it's pretty messed up. So this began to change bit in the mid sixties has been like Randy, who you also mentioned, and another man named Craig Rodwell joins them if you might remember Craig 'cause dated having a cry. Yeah. Specific FOX possible like pet names Craig. I think that's Joe you'll deal with the pet names. But yet Craig went out with Harvey milk before Harvey milk quiz, very radical, and you call credit craves. I'm degree with radicalizing Harvey milk, just to clean up. I have mentioned some names on the podcast. But that is not the full extent of pet names that Houston, his life user, very kind of go back. You can find out to clear hobbies name. Maybe and find hasn't pinton is used for Craig I'm even come across time. I read the actually. Yeah. While we giving you required listening might as well at the Hollywood. Yes, I think you should crazy. So when you introduced Craig in the hallway milk episode, and I'm going to retell the story idea of Craig. But this Craig nor. Do you wanna tell the story now? And so a Craig was once cruising in central talk. How old is Craig crate pretty young? I'd say late teens I can't remember the exact age Craig and with the quake communion with activism, very young Madison wouldn't even let him join us because he was under twenty one and he was really, really keen to get involved. But the rule said, for whatever reason you have to be over twenty one so Craig was cruising in central park as probably eighteen and a policeman came up to him and said move along. I think they said, move, along faggot in particular, and Craig is wanted. That's harassment of homosexuals, and was promptly handcuffed and locked up. I'm gonna tell them any similar stories that Craig gives you an idea Craig's on willingness to take what society was throwing him basically so Creggan. Randy both joined Madison around the at least mid sixties. I just so much Craig like it getting to midnight twenty and he'd be like. Boy, craig. Doc. You know, they wouldn't let him become a member before twenty on just kept showing up at their offices and being like right. I'll photocopy stuff. All right. I'll do whatever I can do so like this. He didn't let it stop. That's great crates great until Craig, Randy and a group of similar men started fighting basically for gave his ability. So in other thing, Craig did is he would write under his real name in the newsletter? Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Craig is just so gutsy Greg. So yeah, you really is sometimes go into this in depth. But they did a lot of work fighting against things like police entrapment of gay people so you could be arrested for solicitation full gays. Excellent. When I say gay in this context, gave me. I guess I mean queer people same gender attracted people. What anyway you could be arrested for solicitation and police would often be the ones to solicit. And then when you kind of went along with it, they arrest you, so an undercover cop would come up into a bar and say, oh, can I get you a drink can be very flirtatious? And if he said, yes, it arrest you, something like. So they fought against this. They also fought for the right of gay people or quit people to drink in public balls. Which is something we'll talk about more when we actually stopped talking about strain Randy appeared on radio and TV he was the first openly gay, man on TV in the USA as far as I'm aware, and Craig some times joined him in that I've all the need to convince the public that they were respectable permeation at what men like Randy, and Craig would doing so I focused on creating an image of game in as middle cloth. You know that always miss suits when they appeared in kind of activists capacity kind of not to them. And then appropriately masculine, all those kinds of things that's the image that we're trying to create. And this is why we ended up having mixed feelings about Randy washer episodes. I will often mentioned that I specifically mentioned rally on Craig, but there were a few the men who kind of fighting this thing five of them on the east coast in the USA. I've just singled them out. We're gonna talk about Craig, if that'd be in this episode, and I've singled out Randy, because we have some points from him about people doing themselves criminals. Because he was the first gay man to appear on TV and he was just one of the more important figures in this. Yes. So those kind of Representative of a faction yeah, yeah. The Representative of a group. So in the late nineteen sixties with the influence of the antiwar movement, and the civil rights movement, and kind of similar political movements, at the time, the idea of working within the system and making yourself appear respectable to appease, the establishment to, they might grant you some of your rights started to seem outdated so nine sixty nine Craig and some friends, start anew magazine called queen's quarterly, which wrote we have earned our place in society, and it must now learn its lesson, the way he had to stay and that I've always says, loud, and strong. So that's the kind of background on the que- movement op tonight in sixty nine in very, very brief summer. Now, let's talk about stonewall. So this is on Christopher street in Greenwich Village, which is under tourist quia pot of New York it began its life in nineteen thirty as Bonnie's stonewall. That's two words as opposed to one, okay? It was a tea room. Those was the prohibition era. So it may have been a Speakeasy and it was. And it was a team or. I don't know much Bassett beyond its name. And the fact that it was a tea room so making us options here. But I think that pretty well founded assumptions and the name the stonewall came from a lesbian, novel, which was released the same year. That opened we'll say called the stonewall. Oh, okay. So we had a queer. So it was probably a lesbian so Bonnie's lesbian, the lesbian, and it probably was a lesbian Baugh, in its beginnings of cool relations after that, both que-, okay and straight. So in the early sixties it was a straight restaurant that was used for things like wedding receptions, look, it was damaged in a fire and closed in the mid sixties, and it reopened in nine hundred sixty seven as the story will in which was a mafia Ron gave up. So am I kind of hinted at before and we're talk net Craig and Randy New York state law. Prohibited licensed venues from becoming disorderly, which basically included being quick. So it wasn't technically illegal to serve a drink to aqua person. But if you did that was grounds enough to say this places, disorderly, and we're gonna find it over by. His license. What? Yes, acquitted, people drinking was disorderly. Yes. Inherently, yeah. Yeah. Exactly pay like Craig in round. He did make some progress fighting against this, some of the time line in sixty nine Tim around quit people drinking was kind of our K, but queer, people, interacting and pretty much anyways. So any touching any hand holding any kissing any dancing was totally off limits. Danny Galvan again remembers being in an offensively Cuiaba where he was told do not look away from the bought sit in your chair facing the bar because if you turn around that could be considered solicitation, if you start looking at the patron, God, well, that would yak balls weightless phone. I wouldn't go to just go to the ball, sit of the bog at your drink like your in a new law. Try and find meaning at the bottom of the glass like nothing. That's what it was. Nothing. That's what it was like. So I'd like to imagine this kind of system like passing notes, Glenn dates. Yeah. Few things mentioned. And I think it was physically Antic light who will mention later on picked up Craig, so they couple while there were some things out cruising. And he says something like oh, you know, he tapped his foot and looked this way. And then they'll like ways of communicating ways of signaling ways of seeing signaling because of these problems in being a ball, mafia. Run gave all it's very common because they were legal underground BAAs, and death. We didn't have to bail these garbage laws while because it was and legal underground Baugh nudged, anyone could get into starring won't you couldn't just walk into the windows, all blacked out and bought it over the doors is being heavy reinforced with steel door and those little people in the door. Too. Yeah. So he'd come up to the door. They look at you say that people if the bouncer recognized you he let you in. They might ask you to describe the inside of the barge approve. You'd already being there. Got in time with friends we get into the best. I can tell you, if you're with someone they knew would get in. And I think that's kind of how they build. That's how words breads. Yeah, that's how they built a community of patrons button is the insides distinct do. Can you just kind of make all what? Like the rundown ball, like you'll be like, yeah, there's a sticky pool table late great mats on the bar, and they'd be like checks out in you go. Thing to say because the mafia wanna make money off staying well, but they didn't really want to put any money into stonewall, lamb, so. Yes. Baas continue. Bob. So the inside is painted black because they wanted to cover up, the five image. I want to put any money into that. Down so dark in here I think it will, I think it must have been like black inside they will alike colored lights and later on. Well, I mean, we're talking about nineteen sixty nine now in about nine sixty eight they installed ultraviolet lights as well. Okay. So it sounds like a nightclub. So it's more like a club in that. I imagine it's filthy. Oh, yeah. We gotta talk about helping people. I mean, if it's super dock and all the lighting is like colored and. There's a health and safety is flat to you. No, no, no. Yes. Speaking of OH behind the ball, there was no running water, cool. So they had to big tall today dispute with water rinse and reuse at all. Yeah, it's pretty bad. Craig blames this for hepatitis outbreak. Amongst game in. I think it was the kind of eight kind of time. I think Craig's long frankly, that sounds medically sound because they'll, it's also get these types of one of them. So there was in the bathrooms are so they would also empty these tubs into the toilets and the toilets. But sometimes by sometimes, I mean, very often flow all over the bathroom floor. Yeah. The water that comes out of a taffeta bathroom is clean zoo. Feeling it up. Put things that you're going to drink in into this, tub any good pregnant aren't glosses. That's ridiculous gloss. I would have come to Stein what with my keep. Yeah. It sounds pretty dia. Police raids also raise the common, the INS did pay off the local police quite a lot of money. I've found numbers anywhere from twelve hundred dollars a month to eight thousand dollars a month, and that's a little money then that's a lotta money so much money. Can they possibly be making off of this box on, like a Friday or Saturday night? Then making a bound five thousand six thousand making a lot of money. Okay. Is it just opened on the weekend? So it's I've been all the time. But like those that night continues to the wall. Other drinks really expensive drinks incredibly. Cool. So disgusting and cheap the drinks watered down and hugely ever price. Lonzo. Okay. So like your standard like young post. Now, I guess. Oviously crucially Demot was the hotline like, you know, that's, that's, that's a practice that continues. Now, gay people consider it an exclusive Hugh time to go to Bosley. That I think at the time the mafia would get the alcohol, sometimes just like stolen truck, sometimes they'd be buying it onto the table from distilleries. So that was my tax. They president making it an often ball was one quote, where somebody said, mafia house, be, why would I drink that who Watson that which kinda applies? They might have been making. Oh, no. I like to imagine just like one mafia guy had like Hobie like, we'll let Tony thank. We can sell it tiny cold fat, Tony, all, like, Aw, that's us. Simpsons. Character. Not. Like isn't too stereotypical of made a coal this fake mobster. Tony the real most his name was already. Well, Tony, I imagine you were bad man. Was. It's the tiny was a good man might have been talk about very much, but he ran the ball drinks like delay of spirit say. Like that starts. I know that'd be because of told me saying, I wouldn't drink mafia house Pierre. If you pay me they do have spirits, because I know that, for example they had a little Smirnoff behind the ball, but that was not, not off now in some although white spirit that they would decant this minimum but allowed that. See that one real spindle. But without the back as well, they catch with special estimates that they genuinely liked. And from what it sounds like the stealing alcohol will like getting it onto the council. They just had a collected things that they could get the handle. Yeah. Yes. Not off. Iceman think a similar thing is true of most genres of spirit. So you just go up to the bar phone, and they're like, nah, and you're like, ski, I guess, sure seems like maybe. That's how it is. All right. So you say customers they liked. So this is Ron by mafia, other bartenders with people, mafia, people think a mix of it. Yeah. So the staff arm Meeks, mafia and queer people fat tiny himself. I don't know how he identified how interacted with this part of his life, but he's slept with men. Okay. Okay. Interesting. But the mafia a role who ran it pretty high phobic on the dick create costumes, pretty awfully and say things obviously faggots whatever. Raining table that tell back. I'm sorry, this team. I just division that would be a bizarre working. Yes. This relationship between the communion. The mafia where like there are Cueva wouldn't from the mafia. There. Akina mafia members, they're all in the same ball. Some of them, hate gays them all games. Some of ones who all gave probably hang hate gays and it's just a minute. Rush. Rush psychologically, taxing. Yeah. So as I was saying the staff, the mafia paid off the local police, so while they still were rated the raids were much less bad than they would have been if they hadn't paid off the police. So the I mean as we usually given a heads up when it was going to be a right that night, they usually take place on weeknights quite early in the night. So it didn't really impact business much, and they'd be able to reopen the next day or even that same night. And they know you know, we might keep too much booze and too much money on side because the police are gonna write tonight. And this kind of stuff would they tell the customers soul? Customers, though, I don't think they'd have an announcement being like raid tonight at nine pm guys. But people do say, I heard there was a rumor that was going to be a raid, this not to, like, what got around sort of presumably. Yes. Kind of the same thing with the good alcohol rive, once they like. Yeah. And the one play like tell their friends and people like, oh, we want to go tonight, we'll go somewhere else. Say, like people are going to be rides. Okay. So this'll sounds pretty on appealing the draw cod force. Join the made it worth going to inspire the bad. I have a price alcohol and the police rates. And the homophobic, mafia was it's too dense full as dancehalls didn't exist really at this time, as I mentioned, not only did the same old Tara consider credentialing disorderly pot. They could also be considered solicitation. I found a few sources saying that stonewalls Dan flows were the only gay dance was in New York. There are couple of others that kind of mentioned dancing. I'll swayed all mentioned kind of being able to get away with dancing elsewhere, and opposite. This changed over time is, we have had a super high turnover rate because the police, so probably at some of the liquid pools in New York, but possibly the most prominent, and it seems like they were the most prominent and definitely the longest running during what was notable for being. I'm very long running. We have yet. Okay, but I don't think I can have a state, the importance of queer people having this place could get together and dance and the open in their affection with each other. When everyone else that was political. Denny govern recounts, going to start and we'll with a man he slept with the night before, I'm Charlie, Charlie awesome. If he wanted to dance, and he said, oh, no, no. I don't dance. I don't dance. What if somebody told me and Charlie it was like Denny everyone's get you. Madani said, no, no. I went to. And then later in the night, Charlie said, we'll do you wanna dance with anyone that any man in this ball, you find attractive? And Denny said yet, Frank, and then he burst into tears home, because this was just so foreign to him. Yeah. I love Donny Eloy. He's a good man. I also love Charleston. It's like a good show for that story. He seems like a good Shelley seems like a nice guy. He took Danny Stein. Well, he liked helped him get his goes boyfriend dancing with Frank and going out with friends all that school. So. So as I mentioned that with three dance full storm almost split into two rooms, and I both had the bothering jukebox, and there and dance little legit. The front room was has called the white room. So it was most popular with one of the patients Martin Boyce describes as regular gays that didn't go in any kind of drag didn't use the word she that time. So the front of what why so the front room is mostly for swine men. More middle class and a bit older. In terms of the average patronage of Stein wool, too. Are more likely to get closer to businessmen? Interesting so the back room. And I'm just going to mention because I think it's great because of its time as a reception center with straight winnings had full-size wishing role in the center of the room. All that's objections. Veteran. But I use it just abuse objectively. Actually used to still be so. Yeah. Was this. Lorsch. Doing what happened to basement. I was wishing well, wishing now, so whereas the front room was the white room, the room was called the black room, although Puerto Rican room. Oh, okay. To both his worms have black painted wolves the whole. The whole I realized that's about this is about the race of the people, so the names of racially coded than not based on anything aesthetic about those, the names, all of its segregated. It's not segregated. No wanted segregating it except people that was deciding which to go into. It's not forcibly segregated but yes, the patronage is largely set great. So it's like the official policy is pressure to yeah. Yeah. I think there is pressure to say the people who hung out in the back room. Do talk about how the dance Lewis had a bit of a different vibe. So the back room, they do kind of more communal, dancing, let alone, all the weed group dances of the day, I think of an example like. All right. Covering, I'm genuinely just thinking about the Bush. Macarena from that time. Yeah. Whereas cable in the front room would be more kind of getting gathering so people come in the back room. But sometimes go to the front room for and. Or just go to the front room because it was on that one. We'll people there on. They kind of show off more. That's okay. Okay. So it's not just a racial split. They didn't have kind of different vibes. And there was movement between two years. Okay. But broadly, it was segregated as well as race. The people who gathered in the backroom, generally young, as I mentioned than the people in the front room, generally less middle class, and generally more fim. So I told him about this demographic split lays into a conversation about the demographics of who went to stonewall, which is a pretty contentious topic. And there's a lot of disagreement from people who went there as well as from later historians about who went to stonewall. And I think part of that is because it was split into two rooms, you know, if you hang yet, in one, remove the you've got a completely different image of, what kind of bio going. Okay. All right. I'm seeing sensing was. That's eight factor. So, so most people agree that stonewall was dominated by people assigned male at both ciswomen did sometimes. But once his lesbian, for example, says that while she was never made to feel unwelcome. She always felt like she was visitor in someone else's territory. I've no salsas about transmission going to we'll maybe they are some nice nobody's talked about things more complicated when we talk about trans women all transparent. And people ask so many patrons, who went to say that street queens a dominant presence at Stein will. If you listen to our website on Masha. You've heard us talk about straight queens before straight queens were a loose group of generally homeless quit teams and they will often from Rachel minorities. Almost all were assigned male at birth. Many years, female names. She pronouns and dressed in feminine clothing, at least some all of the time. So these people were quite a big presence at storm will, but on the other hand, several patrons also note that drag queens. I'm doing court Tia, too short physically that used the word drag Queen all the word transvestite, and note that these people were unlikely to be let into the. So what's happening here is that the people who assigned drag queens and transvestites went let into the us specifically talking about people assigned male at both wearing dresses. Okay. This has led people to plane that stonewall was Limbaugh, full gaining, it's pretty obvious that the absence of people assigned male at both in dresses. Does not mean it's just awful of this man on specifically in a time when for someone who was assigned male, both wearing address was very risky decision, but inside and outside the box. So in the event of a police rain or if you accord on the street on your way to from the by you could be arrested for failing to with three items of clothing that matched your sex, and obviously, traveling to and from the by could also become a victim of random queer Fertig bounds. So people such as transferring in queens, who wanted to found other ways to express feminine. Indeed. Absolutely. So I'm coming style was what was cooled skid. Right. I saw someone wearing scared right? I might be wearing a wig and makeup, type pants and amend tight around midrift. So in the event of a police raid will come. Growing from the ball and he just pulled off the wig on Tisha, and they're in pants and a men's shut their in men's clothing. Route totally safe even though within the conduct at the ball when they've got the week and the short head off. It's a very family. I don't want to make a lot of the fact that it was coming out of fear files, but that's sounds like a great look. I agree, Barry and live with current trends about like cardinals. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And I think it's like very cool that even in this time when things were pretty awful. They found these kind of creative ways to work within the rules. Unlike emit cool styles. Yeah. I was about to say I mean that's going to happen as soon as you create because, like you're saying they had to wait three items of clothing. That's the specific name was in place, does not say that, but that's sort of commonly said by both the police, and queer people that was kind of the rule police used to decide whether you clothing was appropriate or not. So the law said that you couldn't be Mossel unusually tied in a way that kind of heed your identity from the exact wedding. Right. So the law doesn't actually mentioned sex agenda thought when the police were policing gender that was. Of the rule of thumb the as yet. But yeah. Soon as that kind of rule of thumb becoming, you're always gonna get about that. Yes. Like whilst it's coming from an awful place is always going to result in to me. Interesting creative things. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was a slightly different style people wearing the style called flame Wayne's, which I think is very jewelry. Yup. And that's a very similar thing just get right? But I don't know exactly what the difference is okay. Yeah. So many straight cranes were also scheduled queens. So I roll as much of kind of picked up. This is a debate about whether stonewall was awful. What is this man ball with trans women and trans people them? It's worth noting. However, that straight Queen transvestite drag queens skid, right? Queen flame Queen all these words describe circumstance behavior. They don't actually give us information about people's gender identities. We have specific information about specific individuals I can confirm that were this male drag queens out mall, and they will also transmit that story I thought settled them. Okay. Let's go down starting full. Thank you. Well. But we can't really make sweeping generalization beyond the fact that no it wasn't as Tobar for six game in, but we call. Yeah. We can say we can say that it wasn't one hundred percents this game in. Yeah. Three of nerve. Like accurate measure of what percentages looking at. Yeah. Yes, straight queens were be force. It's doing well and not by some straight Quainton themselves from all the people who went to stay. We'll also from a fair few kind why middle class men who said, I didn't like to go to stonewall, because it was kind of trashy it was kind of tacky street, cranes day. You know, it wasn't so that's the thing we do know that there were a lot of street grains, and we do know that a lot of them were people assigned male at both who presented quite feminine in some way, but we don't really know how them identified. So what's the capacity of this, Paul? I actually have the floor plans that tell me legally, how many people were allowed to be in this, that lost, like twenty five. So what we're looking at others. Is going say Molex fifty hours. Picture and tell you why this is the Buffy about or at times, like it was pretty crowded according to this flow plan that was drawn somewhere around the time. It has a capacity of one hundred and eighty five persons, plus five employees. I'd like to fifteen we're in wishing while I try. Yeah. That's how many people were in. I'm just thinking about how many like potential street queens. They could hope beam different insult things yet reasonable, particularly if it was, I mean, particularly if it was long running right? Yes. I'm from sixty seven to sixty nine okay, which doesn't sound like that long time. But it was a long time for quite a ball in the sixties. Yeah, well, yeah, that sounds like I mean, the dearly for the street Queen populations since you said the Lumo harmless. Yeah. Dot tends to be a fairly transient relation. The scene. One month competitor, renounce data line could be very different. That's true. Masha? Pay Johnson, for example, Dawes mentioned that the demographic did change over time. So she says at first, it was just a buffet men, then gradually Saad. Letting women in, then they started letting drag queens in, and I don't want Masha means by drag queens in that context if she does mean assign male Bethany and address, or she could mean any anyone in some way assignment, both and FAM. Long delayed. Anyway, the point is that there were people of a riot e of queer identities. Ouston at at the Boston will. Kinda show. I mean, obviously, it's part of the reason that people talk about this much is because who went to the ball affect who was the fact who started the gay rights movements. I'm doing skateboards. I also want to add just very briefly something that we've talked about before on this podcast. And some recent gender-based episodes that this thing that these table trying to do. They're trying to pool a pot the community and say it wasn't gay men. Or was it trends women is a modern thing. We're trying to push on this group of people, and they didn't split themselves necessarily in this way. It was both. It was a mix. It was some people that identified us knee look for many people to quite miss major, who is transparent of color, who did go to stone. We go to stonewall and everything would be fine. We didn't have to explain now so. So we've had we'll now let's talk about the same rights. That was the background section. Yes. That was the background section right? Cool. Mentioned the riot. Those clearly the backgrounds nothing like minded. Is get at one point the game on the twentieth of June. Nine hundred sixty nine deputy inspector CMO pine and detective. Charles Smythe doesn't disdain well and announced police taking the place while I hate them. Just let it by myself. Yeah. Okay. That's fair. That's names us. Mommy. And I'm sure that bad people did. I saw something interesting president in that we have a lot of information from pine often talking about how he feels about. Okay. So that's interesting. I guess. So this wasn't normal way from the local police. That's why it happened at one twenty eight and it was a Friday night, rather than nine pm on a Tuesday when the local police would. So pine wasn't political police. He was from the first division of public morals. Wow. That's like old cop so bad. But some cops worse worse than all the good slogan, some cups, the worse. Unlike the local police pine was very anti corruption. He wouldn't accept payments. Okay. Yes. Holly in order to put a stop to the police corruption that centred around starring wool he hyped that night to close at once and for all. And there. Yeah. There are other factors that I don't have much time show here. Like the illegal alcohol was a major concern pine, then was also blackmail coming out of stonewalls in the mafia, blackmailing, the kind of closeted businessman, who had frequents during wool and using that to buy stuff on Wall Street. And. There are a lot of factors that men pine wanted this dawn. He wanted this closed most police at the time didn't bother to get warrants with this kind of thing. Pine went and got a warrant and a warrant not just to raise the bar but to physically take the ball. Oh, okay. Like disassemble the not the building. The Bob the you buy drinks like pitch in the Bobby made obligatory long. I'm being like yes, I have a ward disassemble these blocks. Yeah. Yeah. That was planned. We'll the evening. That's. A worse plan that I've ever had. That's totally turn. No, it's true. Thank you for going to bench. I made a lot of bad decisions in my life. But none of them. But then buying it, you bought a little wine. Steroid game. As you can see the scale of play some cups a work. Okay jason. Yeah. The laura. Okay. So actually particularly concerned with arresting the patrons. Okay. He kind of expected he'd turn up he'd often for ID that show ID. That'd be a bit of a false for the ones who weren't dressed in the way that matched the six on their ID. And then that old-style that was what people usually did. That's what gay people usually did. When police way, the boss, it was quite, we left, and they came back later that night came back the next day, and they just went back to what they were doing and the police and quia people's kind of accepted, this was, how life was the have been riots before. Yes, there have been riots before this is not to say that people had never fought back against the police. I'm not aware of any before in New York, but there had been riots on the west Swiss America before. Links to this kind of thing I thought that was put to make given how people talk about starting. That's I didn't have time to really go to what was happening on the west coast of America. But yeah, on the east coast in New York. The expectation was that the patriots would quietly go Heim the police would see some alcohol and some money by resumes. Stoff osteen. I make the point but normally the police on here to shutdown love him yet. That's the big difference. It's the police at that down the mall. It doesn't mean that it was a fun time for the patrons as I've mentioned, particularly for people who weren't dressed in a way that match the sex. The police would heard one to one room that either have to declare themselves and say, yes, I mean, address that I am a man or they'd be examined. To determine this X McKay. I send this in the funny and still of, but I would just like to reiterate how similar this is to the case of the finance della which was a court case that happened in the eighteen eighties yet. Yeah. I just reiterate, how back gay transistory in a specific way. Yeah. On the fact that ninety years later was. Yes. Similar abo. Yeah. So that night, however these people didn't cooperate in the way they normally would so pine nights that kind of from straightaway. They gathered older people assigned male at birth and dressed in bam way into the back room to ide- them, and examine them potentially on these people just want taking it. There are mainly like token back to the police and things like that. How the group we're talking. I don't know. Let's, let's Winnington on our. Yeah. That's annoying. I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah. I'm sure you do this. Well, I mean we've established it like if it's one AM, which walking probably capacity crowd. Yes, or doesn't necessarily tell us exactly how many fend dressed people that were bought probably quite a few like you're probably looking at teens of the. Yeah, I really don't know and number at old. But presumably so that we're only the two plays also who came in to undercover cops or any in the button to announce worse to police women had gone into early end the night to kind of scope it out to physically identify employees because employees would be more likely to be arrested because they were running on a legal business. Not just in an illegal business anti when place right at employees would usually jump over the bar and just pretend to be patrons. The police has pretty. Yeah. So the policemen went into identify employees without them having a chance to do that. How do they get in one of them? At least as a couple of mentions that suggested she might have actually been queer and actually just go onto the ball as about some earth. The public terrible situation. Yeah. I'm surprised that would police women at this time to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. That what led to this raid? Yeah. Interesting. So that was true on the cover, and then police who came in. He actually does. So that's foreign title. So I mean it sounds like the main distinction from previous rights is just the fact that the ratio of police to. The patriots is probably way different yet. If I told police patrons at this point is quite low pine did cool for backup. Like once he got into the bar and everything he did COPA backup. So part of the reason was once he got in and all these fem people started talking back. He kind of went not. We're gonna arrest them all. And he cold backup for that. He also called the emergency services to help him physically carried the ball. Actual billing. Take it away. All right. Your car. Fall out from a building just so I'm using to write to that's true, though, the front end the basketball to juke boxes. Yeah. They they leave the wishing. Well, they also do the jukebox. Yes. Correct. Well. She also had a lot of pirated music in the midst the police didn't careful. Great. That's great. I don't think but then again the well was used to stool booze, which was a legal. So who knows? Brick by break, maybe they did. They did call for backup, but originally that way, it was four of them. So in the back bomb, these fem people started talking back to the police in the front. Butch lesbians, kind of gathered for a similar purpose of checking whether they will cross dressing and they also started to talk back to policing. Behaving a similar way. Meanwhile patrons, who had been ID and then allowed to leave the ball instead of going quietly humming as the police have expected began together out. Give rise, the fact that we need to think about why it was this not when people behave differently put inside and outside the up. The side different from all other nights. Which is very wide audience joke. It'd be out Jewish listeners. I love. Basel. Else different from. Well, there are several factors. Okay, one five is this was the second time storm we'll have been right of in that week. Okay. So rates Coleman. But rates went usually that common. So people will already pretty mad and just because of the general kinda feel at the time and I mentioned in the Queen movement, how at Chiswick changing and with things like the Black Panthers and the anti-women, how people with getting less happy to work within the establishment, people who are angry about that. I read what kind of or time say, we can't take this anymore. Why do we put up with this stuff like that? And all the fact that was that it wasn't as usual on a weekend to previous rate that we could be on Tuesday. This time it was late at night on Friday. Ball was at capacities does just many more people there to react. And also the drunk and the drunker I wanted them a high pro-lee, so this people they would normally be there for a right. That's true. Yeah. Those people who only come there on a weekend, or there's going to be a lot more people there full time there, because it's a way kind of this more people in general, so, yeah, you've just got a big crowd a crowd who's list used to a crowd who's drunk and high end full mole. I make that kind of decision. Also people just more then we'll into then either want to him the less likely to want to quietly go home. Yeah. That's the time when you say you're feeling telling people you've met twice that you love them. But having. And we'll talk a bit more about Sylvia Rivera later on. But in one of her accounts of the evening, silver era says a friend frankly often to do wanna come to him. We'll, and I set the hot hates time while I don't wanna go to stern. We'll, and then she said, okay, fine. I went to join but by the time you know, just before the police arrived, I was getting really into it. I was saying to the United States not that bad this way. I love everyone on this. Exactly. We'll get like I love all the two full people in his mouth. So that's the factor on top of that. It was gene in the middle of Selma. It was a hot night. It was a it was just a nice night to be out. So people are more likely to. So we know what I've been kicked out about, but I'm guess, Dan on the street and talk to process by about it. I'm gonna wait till my friends, who was still being examined by the police a lit let the ball. So these people gathering on the street, and then on top of that this was more people out in general, and people saw to see this crowd gathering and compensate. What's going on people saying, we'll just being right? And so the crowd saw to grow just kind of random people Queen and not quit who went out that night land on this month. We'll get into what happens when you try to have a pride celebration in June. The solid. This is why was moved person, same. Well about spoiler. A very political decision. Anyway, in the USA, June is a nice month that I've out and ready to fight the cops. That's beautiful June is fly to call them. I mean what else is pride? Cops pride. Some cops are worse. Okay. You know how LSU and I did that virtual reality exploration of tomb time. And that's the thing that people actually locations. It'd be so cool. This would be unlike because the building is still there. You just read scannon and then just put the skin how. How Lucas Janke? Still, it's still gave on. Janke. It's just nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a crowd gathered outside. I won't have. It's kind of a crowd of people kind of milling around, but gradually started to get kind of a bit of a political feeling. So Craig Broadwood who we've mentioned to end up. He wasn't in the ball, he was on his way from somewhere else. Feeling feisty feeling upstairs and he yelled out gay power seems being character at also very carry Craig, people started seeing we comb and chance and things like that. So they started to become a kind of political crowd, rather than all, what are we doing the street? I wanna be drunk crowned as people gradually let out and the boss people who had been by police. Oh, whatever they started to play up to the crowd. The crowd was obviously pretty high spirits at this point. I saw it throw out there and strike poses, as they walked out of the ball and cheer or yell out. You know, I'd give that a ten all. From the ball and seeing this situation, which he just did not expect Pinal weather says that he was pretty frightened. Good. That's how to be radio. For more backup custody because he ready for backup coal to and said any bands to put my prisoners than what about. And when he was done. Disregard that cool. We don't know who's on the other end of that year. We will probably never know on the other ones that radium. Theory. So possibly someone in the crown had just manager tune into the police frequency of it is just a radio. Yeah. It's also possible that it was the local police who pretty mad that the cash cow was badly shot down and mine had not warned them on volt them in the right. So two very likely candidates, I think the local polices possibly Clinton that they would have had the radio angry about it. Like I would have been shoot in tuned in listening, it could go either way. I hope it was that attention, lesbian undercover. Call was like do this anymore. I mean fix this. Backup at all. I hadn't considered. I'm sure that the case. Like it'd be nice. I think it's neat. That is what happened. I think it's nice. I don't think it was the case at the time but all were carrying right here. Okay. So I do mention that, that was someone with, like the radio, get the talking like a walkie talkie. Number eighty dog in line. So that was like the radio guy who has listeners trying to mind. How think radio would have been very while. I wonder if the radio call was quo will less cool and the cops the other call. I suspect. But in the way backup came on was fine. It's fine. That is fine around this point, the crowd erupted into violence, what they gonna happen kept rating ball. So I don't need to tell you that there's a lot of contention about what started the violence at stonewall, and who threw the first whatever it was very so this, definitely an object to that gets thrown that stuff stuff. Okay. So wasn't object thrown if so, what was it if so who was thrown like, well, I'll definitely throw me. I mean, in some account, it's somebody punching a cop out the violence and Tom accounts as somebody throwing something. Okay. So what incident incited the mile, yes? Incited violence in what way today questions. Yeah. So by the time, the violence is incited, it's already a rowdy crowd. Yeah. It's already rowdy crowd like Craig's. All ready. Yelling out, gave Powell already rowdy crowd. Yet. Do you feel there's point that this is a situation for which the crowd could feasibly just backed down from and disposed g think it was kind of a foregone conclusion ready before whoever did whatever that this was kind of good L? I mean that's a hard thing to say definitively. I would not ask you to say definitively, I'd lean towards the lattice it was a rowdy crowd. And the police will already kind of starting to respond violently at this point, the police was signed to lead prisoners out of the ball into a patrol and, and Bank quite rough with those prisoners on people pretty angry about it, depending on what can't rating. People already started to throw things at the police bitcoin. So that was a reference to the police demanding payoffs safely drink. So some accounts say that people saw doing this off to violence breaking out, but some account said people are doing this, so there was already not tension between the crown and the police spot, some level of violence on the police end, if not yet on the crowd, and so, yeah, I don't think there's a high chance at this point that people would have just gone hunting. If backup com- if that cool had gone through. I think it could have been different. Yeah. I think that the arrival of more police could've scare people bought somebody into that cool. And so the backup didn't come intense, do we have an idea of how the crowd walls at this point? It's around kind of five hundred dollars, so people have really been gathering from the surrounding streets. Yeah. The estimated like fifty we've said, probably inside the ball. So it's, it's a pretty big crowd already a hundred and twenty five. Random people versus one call. All right. Let's go. There are many accounts of how variet- started I'm gonna focus on the three. I'm aware of come from eyewitnesses, so people who say they saw this happen, not so, and so it told me this happened anything like that. And also a couple of which are very commonly talked about okay? So I went and accounts. The most common explanation is that the Ryan's was bought by a lesbian refusing to be put into a patrol then accounts mentioned that she complained to police about their rough treatment that hit her, and she hit them back, and it was hurt hitting a cult that sparked the violence, one account mentions that she yelled at why don't you guys do something, and that the crowd interaction enough? I witness accounts, mention her, including three which were written down within the week of the riots. So that's not nearly as. Objected influence from, you know hearing about it. Elsewhere, what does people's memories being inconsistent as histories might be enough of the counts mentioned her, that I think it's pretty safe to say that these did happen, whether it was the first active tunnel, we can discuss, but I think it's safe to say that was a lesbian, who fought back against police vary early in the violence going news. And this may have sparked the violence. The next question is being walls, so in nine ninety five Charles Kaiser interviewed drag king stormy, cues, washing, and cooled game metropolis about queens. Drip yoke and he found that while she denied she was this lesbian her count of what she'd done that night, the description of what this Lisbon had done that night. So she denies that she is being in what way she did not that she is the inciting lesbian. So Charles ties doesn't go into this that much depth. Okay. He thinks. Says she denies being the stonewall lesbian the store. Which doesn't exactly tell us what's told me was denying doesn't give us a quote from stole me about. However, stormy confirmed that she was the storm will lesbian in another interview and said she never taken credit because it was never anybody's business. Okay. So there are some reasons that people have questioned identifying stormy as the stern will lesbian David CASA the historic mentioned the star who kind of the storm we'll points out that's doing with African American while the stone will lesbian is described his cO casual. It's worth nineteen. That's told me is, in fact, mixed-race. So, although with African American have filed it was why. And we know she was sometimes read us why she has self is talked about this. And also, inflate and doc. Yeah. And people drunk. Yeah. Yeah. David Carta says, you know everyone I spoke to described her as Caucasian or something which just didn't sound true. Frankly, maybe what happened there as he said, what she wide. And yet, like, yes, I think so. And if that's how that happened. And like that's a leading question, and that could just be being like, yeah, I remember her skin being all yet comfortable saying she was wide yet, do any of those accounts that were written in the first week afterwards. Mentioned her rights, talk about the appearance of the person that her appearance quite consistent in describing kind of quite toll lodge woman, kind of stereotypically Butch woman, not fitting into that aesthetic of the time. Not not mention Harris. I'm aware of obviously caught has some accounts. I don't have access to some accounts that I didn't Riedel's too many. I just wanted to dismiss that one caught the hutments Cosmo questions. Why it took so long to identify stole me as the storm. We'll lesbian vacation, as I mentioned that I'm aware of ninety five share. Lead said it was into has an eight caught also nights, especially since she was a very well known in New York's lesbian community, this just doesn't add up and that may be family on the same kind of. It doesn't quite reasonable you. I know that stormy only settled in New York after sixty nine but she was a former touring places including New York, and I'm willing to believe was quite in the lesbian community that time I do wanna. I'm only one account of this time, we'll lesbian violence Byan. They aren't many account to the storm will rise by lesbians, so maybe asking the wrong people. But I think it is fair point. Why did this come out if it was lost -ly witnesses say that the lesbian was arrested inside the ball or being escorted to the patrol car from the door of the ball by its own account? She wasn't in the ball at all. She was passing on the street. She sold the crowd. She saw a friend who had been knocked to the ground by police near the vase entrance. She went over to help him and a policeman told toll to move along. And that was when she was hit by the police minute she hit back, but if she went to the door of the ball, and then was arrested and people looked up being led away from there, that would very naturally assume that she'd been in the Barnes being excluded out. Yeah, yeah. There is one employee who says he saw rested in the ball, which we'll make that work, but yeah, accounts do say she was coming from the door of the Bob, don't necessarily. Knowing that she was inside the ball Sony, that's much. They've mentioned I have about stormy without the stone, lesbian. So that's the one. That's how many on of three major I witness theories cool. So let's move onto theory to several witnesses. Also, I credit, a drag Queen with inside and the violence at some name has physically seventeen year old Tammy knowing that who's her purse at police. Trying to put her in the patrol van. Well, that's interesting time I have never had a time before them, tapping to these. I think part of the reason that we've heard of stormy, but we haven't had time because stormy was very involved with the community off to that she has spoken about her involvement. It's doing things like that cannot track on any information on Tammy. I know nothing about having. I mean I don't think about coming the time. So I tell me one of the few drag queens, who was allowed into style Malta. She was allowed into animal in address spy, being signed mail of both because she had connections with some of the stuff so she lived with some of the stuff then you letter. Okay. Yeah, that's one all that time. Okay. Cool. Nobody's folks Tammy. Justice. Yeah. They raised three is Raymond task Puerto Rican game. He says he was handcuffed by police outside of the door of the ball, but he fought back when they tried to put him into the troll van and this match several other islands accounts that described the catalyst of the violence, as being a man fighting back when he was put into the patrol and seem to kind of match up with raise account what happened. So those, the only three people that I'm aware of being mentioned as stalking violence in accounts. Upstream. You let us the absence of Masha Johnson, and Sylvia, Rivera, whom I have noticed that. I also noticed the lack of brick shock loss. Yes. Yes, old is three people credited with punching or hitting with a purse or what race says he did is they tried to them in the band. He planted his feet on either side of the door and just kind of pushed himself back with north the cops over. I mean that's great which is pretty great. Vigilance stunning ten. What is waiting that? And he was like I planted a food on either side of the patrol Landau. I was like, why is the door of trouble vehicle take some flexibility, I came back door? But you probably what you probably featuring once actual. I assume that's what he actually gets the whole back of the cars over. I think like vans often have like a single. Yeah. On the back that. Yeah. I think so. And I think that is what ready really meant. But originally, I was just like that's incredible acrobatics Rams. Natural twenty acrobat. Yeah. Right. All the pets and you never mentioned. It's true. So shout out to rake, Astra dole. Three, the lesbian Tammy Rayo mentioned in, I witness accounts, the lesbian has meant more accounts. You know, they all day and I think it's pretty likely that all of those things happened around the time, the violence started, which happened. I, I can't say, maybe they haven't painlessly but I would say they will happen all had some role in inciting violence. Like hundreds of people that, but I don't think we can pull out one of those incidences de incident. So let's talk about Masha and Sylvia. It's very common in modern conversations about stonewall. He Masha Johnson credited with inciting the riots we have a whole episode on mantra p Johnson. I encourage you to listen to Masha Johnson at that time was in her early twenties. She was an African American drag Queen. She sometimes I didn't try a street Quyen that she's kind of all of that crowd, but she was living on the streets of New York at that time, and in both and quite readily identified by that we community. And she has said that she did go to storm will she did drink at that ball. So the story about Masha starting the riots goes that when police fuss entered the ball Masha throw shot glass in Amira yelled out. I got my civil rights. I'm not aware of any, I witness account that mentioned this, and it's also worth noting that we have pines accounts of what happened inside the ball where he. Talks about fam- people fighting back. And if somebody had smashed the loss, I think that would be worth mentioning. Mirror. I am not aware Amirah icon, any other mention element done. Interesting. Audie detective allies, Alva cakes. Yeah. I don&#