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Episode 347: Can Cuba Break Free of Communism?
"An uprising in cuba texas democrats. Flee the state and eric adams victorious or presumptively victorious in new york. City will discuss all this more. On this edition of the editors which larum join joined by alexander van de sanctis the sage of authenticity woods. Jim geraghty amateurism bitter michael brandon door. You're listening to a nashville podcast or sponsors this episode of x. chair in made in more about them in due. Course if you listen to podcasts. On nash review dot com delighted to have you be easier for you and better for us. You made us part of your feet at any of the streaming services out there from spotify. The i tunes like what you hear. Please consider giving us a glowing five star review on i tunes. If you don't like what you hear here please forget. I said anything so. Jim geraghty huge events in cuba on sunday. The spontaneous protests erupted all around the country. They started in a town. I forget whether it was on the western side or the eastern side of the island but were quickly spread that this was happening in other cities. I think on sunday the about two dozen cities and towns where you had protests and this is just really unprecedented in cuba than we think close to it would be there a protest in nine hundred ninety four but really hyper localized in havana. Actually fidel castro showed up himself. And help stamp out this unrest and i think about thirty five thousand. People ended up fleeing cuba after that one. And then you look a protest activity and it's really the ladies in white who Jay nordlinger writes about All the time. These women who they're the wives or female relatives of dissidents who have been jailed disappeared. And we're talking. Doesn't you know to dozens of a lady's going to a town square and often getting beaten up there incredibly courageous but to have thousands of people showing up in the streets all over the country and was Recording early tuesday afternoon it was repeated on monday. This is a big deal. What you make it is a big deal. It is not one hundred percent clear. What's happening so far today of the cuban regime Wants to do everything possible to keep these images from leaving the country to get people a sense of of you know that there is this popular uprising in the streets against the regime They you know it's one of those things like this may not necessarily be the end of the cuban regime the communist regime that has oppressed the people there for now multiple generations but something has changed. Something is different for you. Know the usual idiots. Ben rhodes sang's oh. This shows the harshness of the embargo has always been there The what's changed in the last couple as well you know. Besides they've always had refreshing. They've always had The embargo they've always had economic times. But were they haven't had is one covid and kobe. Really didn't cuban all that bad because of the lack of travel in and out but into the tourism industry there and that started having economic squeeze and there has been outbreak in the has been very tough to get vaccines in cuba. I think those of us on the right would be foolish to dismiss vaccines and covid. Nineteen thousand a factor in this. But i also think it'd be that the early statement from the by the administration basically made it sound like this was a pro vaccination. Protest is not really an accurate description of it in monday's jolt. I kind of walked through and look to pass things. Not just star A. j. Written but marian seo grady over the wall street journal There's this dissident artists sin is is is see drove movement. And the kind of most interesting. There's been this rap song entitled patrick evita fatherland or life which is either kind of mocking or or a parody or taking the slogan fatherland or death which was fidel castro's slogan back in nineteen sixty and at. It's been this huge hit. And it's very clear you know they rattle off these lists of grievances about poverty repression and misrule and they declare it is over and we are not afraid now. What has changed between all the past times which the cuban people have been oppressed by their government. Now well could. Well be the between covid. Lack of vaccines and the economic oppression. They don't feel like they've got that much left to lose. One of the things that makes this regime keeps us regime in our is yes. We'll beat you up if you speak out against the regime and yes will disappear people yesterday but we give you just give quote free. Healthcare as bernie sanders keeps reminding us. And we take care of you so that makes it. Okay that's what makes us such terrific the other thing that you can't help but notice that look. We've had fidel castro in charge for decades. We had we'll castro who stepped down as head of the regime back in april. And look. maybe not. All cuban leaders interchangeable. The regime still has the upper hand. Yes the regime still has the guns. That's a really significant advantage in that but There may not be that same cult of personality. They're not there may not be that same personal loyalty to The current leader who Who was mocking him. When he would walk into the streets. It was a miguel diaz canal. Who's the president net of the communist party when he went into san antonio delos. Bono's so look. I don't think this is necessarily give. We're going to see freedom. Developing and cuba overnight. But if you hate that regime. And i do. This is a good sign and hopefully we can do what we can. And the statement from the the second statement from the biden administration was pretty good. Probably not what you would have expected. From the vice-president of barack obama went and travelled and held at castro raul castro's and seemed like things. Were getting to be buddy buddy down there. The other thing. I can also notice is Havana syndrome the idea. That our diplomatic staff and folks down there Beginning attacked by some sort of weapon. That's causing these kinds of brain injuries and stuff like that One more reason to just you know cooperate with this regime in any possible way and do anything we can to help Push towards the top line so and they d. You are famously. Skeptical of freedom grounds. 'cause you hate freedom. You're great advocate of of freedom. Charlie's not here disagree with that characterization. So so we'll just stipulate for the record you are a great advocate freedom but You know movements like this oftentimes go wrong. Where where where. Where are you on this. How much do you welcome it. Do you fear needed out of consequences. Oh we'll well listen. i am like i think. Media readers will pick up the pattern for me which is that. I tend to be much more enthusiastic about freedom movements. When i believe it's freedom that's at stake when you know which hong kong people remember as enthusiastic about the movement there and enthusiastic about cuba's movement I don't think that this is has some dark side that we're not seeing or that. There's like some disguise thing as i have in you know other places like ukraine or hungary You know this is about a horrible communist government and what's happening. I think gyms right the cove it is. Put pressure on the cuban medical system which you know used to be. Supposedly the one redeeming feature of cuban government. You know the way. The subways were in in eastern europe It's never been true he would still has crappy health care But the key government can't do the kind of things that other richard western governments have been able to do which is to provide some sort of cushion for kovic shutdowns and the kind of economic stress that the pandemic puts on the economy and for them. It's the tourist economy at shutdown Which is you know basically You know cuba's kind of beker State so that that's been a major source of economic stress and a larger one has been lost their patron. I mean whenever cuba loses a communist patron it has a significant economic crisis that this happened in the early nineties when the soviet union disappeared. It's happening now in. Venezuela's is a basket case. That can no longer subsidize cuban the economy through cheap oil and special deals so I'm i'm i have nothing but admiration for people that are going out and demonstrating for for liberty. Which is what the the the kind of calling card of this. Protest movement has been. And i i long for the day when this regime falls and we can normalize relations i think cuba has a potential to be incredible Nation in the caribbean and a leading one in that rosen And it will do so once it has its liberty and once it can establish real open connections with the cuban people that are in miami. So why why would you be pretty optimistic about that. Prospect is it. The you know the presence of so many exiles nearby career in the united states and the kind of inculcated our values and the importance of american style institutions because usually the history of these countries where the civil society has been crushed for decades. Isn't a good one when the when the oppressor goes away. I don't know. I mean listen there's Poland has had what twenty years of four percent economic growth You know obviously. They had the help of the european union as well i think. Cuba has the rudiments of of growth and a prosperous society in it. I mean sometimes when you get a communist economy. The official economy is total basket case. But you have real entrepreneurs in the black market And they'll come out in and they're going to have support and capital coming in from the cuban american community. So i i am. I am optimistic about a post-communist future in cuba. It's just. I have no idea like others how you get there. I like. i have no idea whether this regime is on the brink of collapse. Yeah or whether because it has the guns it can hold on for much longer. I mean this is a survivor regime. Yeah it's just lost. It is lost so many patrons and you know. China doesn't seem interested in coming in to rescue it Which is what. I think would have to happen so i i. I'm open to any possibility in the near term future. Yes so zan the core competency of this regime. It's terrible it everything except for suppressing dissent. And we're beginning to see that we've seen people getting beaten up in the streets by security forces Oftentimes playing close. We've seen arrests of top leaders of the resistance including one. I was just looking at that. One carlo sopo tweeted by the way for not following carlo. And you're interested in what's happening cuba. You really missing out. please follow one carlo. Just he's a great guy And really cute on a lot of stuff especially this but The the security forces are gonna be out in force and they. They're gonna do everything they can to intimidate people to quieting back down and making as many arrests as they possibly can say. I don't know whether i i Finished my thought about the what. One carlo had tweeted. Which was someone being arrested live on tv. A freelance independent journalist was on camera. As part of the conversation about this in the security forces showed up and just took her way. I wonder you know you mentioned only started talking about this. I the last time there is any anything. Like protests of this scale in cuba was nineteen ninety four and that was the year i was born so i definitely don't remember ever seeing anything like this in cuba in my lifetime and i think that's why this is different right the scale. This is clearly a lot bigger than anything. That's been tried before. And i wonder if because of that sort of the momentum of it first of all within the country itself might be enough to overpower to convince people to keep trying even though the government obviously is pushing back full force and we'll try and suppress it and i wonder to gym talking about the vaccine in how that might be part of it or rising coca rates cuba. I'm sure that isn't the whole explanation. Obviously there's much more going on here. But i think that's a much more acute trigger for what we're seeing than the typical right. Things have been bad in cuba the entire time that cuba has been communist. And i think there's a certain catalyst in the pandemic and in the lack of a vaccine there that's probably driving a greater degree of desperation. Perhaps on there has been in the past. I think it's getting a lot more natural attention right now. The issue is you know earlier in the administration Jen psaki was asked. I don't think biden's been asked directly up until now but she's been asked several times with the administration's stance on cuba was going to be. She sets early. We don't the person doesn't see much need to change things up or wouldn't give any sort of comment on it and now he's not feeling like he has to make these statements in support of the protests. Which is certainly wouldn't have expected given what we saw under the obama administration. So i think the fact that people are paying attention the fact that there's a stronger catalyst and far more people involved in the resistance right now than its typical at makes me more hopeful about the longevity of it. Yes oh Cuba's just been. The debate has been so annoying for so long for decades and the I've been reading about this national review I started reading national view. All these excuses for propaganda about the cuban regime and the forms examples of this are literacy and healthcare. And michael moore made movie sicko that extolled the cuban healthcare system bernie sanders challenged past absurd and despicable things. He said about cuba last year during the campaign said well look you know he. He launched a literacy literacy campaign. I could do without the authoritarianism. Put the literacy. Isn't that amazing. When the fact is castro inherited a fairly advanced country that on some important metrics was right up there with countries in europe and totally wrecked the place. And yes see. Rates went up from about eighty percent which was among the leaders in latin america. About one hundred percent. But that happened all over the place without anyone having to run a glock. Yeah i was really the only upside of bernie sanders. Getting the nomination is that when he was called out on this in a debate and you know the the traditional rule book or playbook for a candidate who got him barrio candidates that statement has stevens that are liability in the general election to say well bald in my thinking. You know i've learned. I just suddenly realized cuba's an oppressive country that doesn't justify you know Allegedly a good healthcare system but instead it really sound. I will go down to little havana and tell those people they don't know how good they had it back there they really came across as the Out of touch you know Lunatic old hippie who would just never accept You know the blunt honest truth and listing. He knew better than the Than people who lived in cuba and survived and gotten out of their new so it is infuriating. I do feel like this is a i. Don't see the same level of passion in the defense of it. I maybe it's because it's not fidel castro. And or maybe just the fact that the folks who thought that fidel castro was going to be more than a decent middle reliever for the yankees have died off that they're just not as active in politics. They as as they were that they're just not nearly as is not quite nearly as much of a sense of Americans being ago americans are the left being so You know invested in instead of defending the good name of the wants the castro regime and what is now You know some other guy you know but still a communist oppressive authoritarian regime. So ex question to you. Nbd the cuban regime. This is the beginning of the end of the cuban regime. Yes war no. I think yes. I actually think it's possible now that they don't have the internal political leadership in the party or the external sources of support maintain against any kind of real sustained internal pressure. So i'm i'm i'm hopeful i thinking is Now maybe to domestic that. I i think it's the best shot. They're spending a very long time. So i'll say yes garrity but i'm gonna. I'm gonna get a little bit of a caveat sometime in the next ten years. We will be taping from the national review. Bureau in havana a freaky freaky cuba. But and we will say that that event in early july those protests on that sunday where the beginning of the end. The end may have taken a very long time to get there. Yeah i agree with that. I don't think it's gonna be ten years. But i i have no. I have no idea long. It's gonna take. But i do think this is the beginning of the end of the regime because it's a sign that people aren't afraid in the same way they were before for what ever reason and talking to some people about this yesterday for comment a robot cuba and they just made the point like many of these of vicious but successful dictators fidel castro us very canny and very charismatic and rahul step down from that but he still had the castro name and this new guy just is not is not anything like that and yeah they're going to crack a lot of heads. Unfortunately it's going to be tragic and they got a lot of police. They got a lot of informers. And they'll do their worst and probably succeed here in the short term and stamping this out. But i think this is the beginning of the end of the the cuban regime and obviously the sooner the better and god bless all the people down there a putting it all on the line for freedom with that. Let's hear from our first bonsor this episode x. 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We got some drama cooking in texas where there was a voting law is being considered a couple months ago but democrats Fled the chamber. So there wasn't a corum so couldn't pass but not veer texts. Republicans we're going to do it in a special session. But lo and behold the democrats in the legislature have absconded with a case of like beer. Would it make. I guess it's it's not super surprising. I remember when this first happened in. May and governor abbot. The republican said while. We'll just you know forced to stay in session until they can drag past later. Democrats left to stay there. Republicans can vote on it. I was thinking to myself. Why would democrats not just do this again. Because of course other than the attacks from texas republicans which is to be expected. They got a lot of attention for doing it. Everybody was patting them on the back. They certainly got more attention than democratic. State legislatures State legislators and texas typically get out for staging this walkout and of course it was all based on this This lie right that an election bill or a voting bill is necessarily jim crow. Two point which is what president and everybody else on the left. It's been saying for the entire year So of course they're gonna now get up to dc where they've said they're going to be lobbying in congress for the democrats Voting bill or whatever they're terrible. hr one so. I think there wasn't really much incentive for them to show up in republicans passed still republicans. Have numbers to do it. They can't vote. They don't have the numbers to vote without a The democrats to be there for that. So i guess knock would be able to do it. i heard greg. Abbott is now saying he's going to have the democrats arrested when they arrived back in the state. I don't know what to make of that whether that's going to pan out But it will be interesting to see whether they do manage to vote on the go. And then i i suppose pass it yet so go back and see when in the morning jolt. But i went through the history of State legislators suddenly you know to say let's say we're out of here. I guess was back in june when the democrats in texas where i talk about this and you go back. Two thousand and one democrats in oregon state house did it Oh by the way. The republicans did this and twenty nineteen twenty twenty and twenty twenty one unsurprisingly democrats including the when back in two thousand one democratic leader was a woman named kate. Brown said the walkout was very appropriate. Under the circumstances under certain circumstances fair to say with all use tails would use all tools available to us and stage a similar boycott fast forward two decades when kate brown is the governor of oregon. It's terrible it's absolutely unacceptable. That senate republicans would turned their back on their constituents who they are honor bound to represent here in this building that to return to do the jobs elected to do. And you go back you find. It happened in texas back in two thousand three wisconsin state. Legislators probably get the most attention back in two thousand and eleven democratic legislatures in indiana. Try the same thing that same year and almost everybody in politics believes that when their party is fleeing over state lines. You know forcing samuel gerard to unleash the hounds to go chasing after them like the the fugitive or something like that although we do what we're doing because we're standing up for democracy were standing up for the rights of the minority in a legislature with the other guys. This is just a partisan stunt these got everybody's ludicrous hypocrites on this. The other thing is if you were going to do it. Look the most. This is a delaying tactic. Because sooner or later you've gotta get back there and do work so you can't say well we're gonna stay over in washington dc or wherever they're hiding for the rest of the session related to get back to your job at that point you'll have the quorum. You'll have the majority and you'll be able to pass the majority of the past but they want so. It works as a delaying tactic. But i don't really think texas republican okay. Well you fled to washington. So we're we're going to give up. We're gonna pass this and the other thing is that if i'm the texas democrats and i wanna do some spent like this. Maybe you're gonna break in lots of donations but one don't share on social media the images of the case of miller lite wrought so first of all. If you're going to get shiner bock gets under a local beer that you're going to second thing. Don't charter a plane because of the charter plane. They're all taking southeast and bill. They're not wearing masks when you're a democrat. You don't have to wear masks lease on a charter for anybody on a charter flight doesn't have to. That's just one more irradiation. Let's face it. Texans probably notice these sorts of things and then the third thing is apparently i saw some fundraising tweet. It's like we don't know how long we're going to have to stay in these hotels in d. c. So please donate now. I also the mini bars. Really expensive you know all of this struck me as tone death but maybe there are democrat liberal activists across the country who love it. I don't know how it's going to shake out. I don't think this is a long-term winning strategy for democrats. It's the filibuster with frequent flyer miles. Yes oh Jim's point nbd this is something that parties engaged in over the years. You go back to lincoln in illinois when he was in the legislature. There was a fight over state-bank in There's procedural question where the whigs wanted to deny. The democrats have a quorum. So lincoln a wig collier kind of monitoring what was going on in the floor and the democrat leader said you know let's have the surgeon arms detain the whigs so he can get a quorum and ended up jumping out this window for floor window to run away which didn't end well for them. They got a mock mercilessly for this. But this is the kind of maneuver that that happens fairly often. And unless you're really willing to stay away you know for months eventually have to give in and go back. And they're going to be things happening in texas where they're gonna want be back including redistricting but if you really take this to the logical conclusion they just stay away and come back well. Presumably the loser seats but it does kind of call and question the legitimacy of the legislature. You could see this going in a really bad way. Yeah i mean. It's it's it's also just kind of infuriating. Do this weird calvin ball where obstruction by the minority party. In the us senate is anti democracy by obstruction by the minority party in the texas legislature is democracy and I don't know. I one of the things that's notable to me is that texas kind of is a natural seat for. I think a lot of stunts. And i think we're gonna see a lot more of this from democrats in the future or increasing tempo. A kind of i. When i saw texas democrats were doing this. It reminded me a little bit of like wendy. Davis is protesting against abortion laws in texas. And she kind of became a national minor national political figure four for that although she hasn't been able to win much in texas and it just speaks to texas's place of this is a massive economically successful red state with a blue minority that is feels itself to be ascendant and you know potentially stalking Statewide power in the medium term future You know it's a it's a state with liberal cities like austin increasingly dallas that you know people in new york and dc can connect to and sometimes travel to sometimes move to. So you know. I just think you have a recipe for more and more of this this kind of thing but they're gonna lose it's just guess good party fundraising for now. And it's driven by the hysteria over the texas voting bill where the most prominent provisions are an end to drive thru voting and twenty four hour balloting. Which we're supposed to be covert emergency provisions. And obviously the fate of democracy doesn't hinge on whether there's driving voting drive thru voting or not or there's never been democracy in america really except for In a future sticks and twenty twenty. But they've convinced themselves that these sort of bills are going to suppress the vote and our frontal assault on our democratic institutions. Yeah it strikes me that this democrats get so much of what they want policy wise. It's you know the the stimulus bill passed earlier. this year was under the guise of being Relief bill but intact most of the stuff in it. Most of the spending wish Wildly disproportionate anything required by the pandemic and in fact much it was unrelated entirely to the pandemic with these voting bills. These are as you say. Most of the provisions are to reverse or undo. Or i guess end things that were put in place because of the pandemic that are now no longer necessary and of course democrats at the time were saying. Oh we have to put these in place so that people can vote despite fear of illness and not being able to get to the polls and whatever else no one's saying we're gonna put these employees forever or else we don't have a real democracy or people's voting rights or endanger danger but now that those things are in place you know. Walking them back is a threat to democracy. It's the same as during the pandemic had people on the left abortion rights activists saying okay. We have to be able to get a chemical abortion pills. Mailed to their homes without ever having an in person or even a tele. Med appointment with a doctor They have to be able to have straight to their home with no in person consultation so this was put in place in a lot of places during the pandemic and then you go to try and roll it back and these groups are suing the federal government over safety regulations requiring women to go back to in person meetings to meet with a doctor before getting chemical abortion pill. That's always have it goes. They take an inch winter. Gza danger of some kind or a guys were to do it and they refuse to let go. And that's what we're seeing with. The voting goals You know the all star games. This week i think today actually and moose supposed to be in atlanta and it wasn't. They ended up pulling out in atlanta. Because of the fate controversy over what was another basically innocuous voting rights bill or voting bill that the left tried to make out like it was jim crow two point oh and they got away with it so it's pretty ridiculous. I think it's how they do on most to get what they want and and make it look like they're not doing anything controversial than here. I thought you were american. You don't know the all star game this. Did you watch the by the way meeting watched the what the derby. Yeah i didn't actually kinda been bored with it ever since Hamilton's performance what was that a decade ago or took it in half. Yeah and then he lost. He ended up losing it. Just i don't know the derby yankee stadium that that was classic. Well i i got sucked in. Because i was so eager see otani and i was hoping he hit thirty homers in the first round. But he's he's overly pulling the ball hitting line drives down in the corner and he was up against one soto and they. They ended up tied twice and then soda one won the tiebreaker. But your man fonda one. And and i think hit thirty four thirty. Five home runs maybe. Thirty four yeah. I mean he's he's he's a beast and he he's going to be a contender in this for another half decade. I think so anyway. Jim garrity extra question to you. The voting bill will eventually pass texas legislature. Yes or no. No equivocation allowed. Yes yes and that'll help. The texas stems fundraise to zam. Yes i think the answer is yes. We're unanimous about that with that. Let me pause. We'll hear from our next sponsor. This week made in cookware. How does your favorite restaurant consistently makes such delicious food. 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What he makes it. I mean this is as much as can be it's kind of a victory for sanity in new york I'm not confident. Eric adams is going to be a great mayor by any means but He did run the most seen campaign a campaign which he emphasized was a former cop That he cared about ending the surge in violent crime in new york as as i issue That the whole city's future depended on doing this Because searching grime. Just drive out your most fabulous wealthy residents to the hamptons or to alternate cities it also keeps worst way And new york's kind of native economy Needs those people to come back. But he's a weird guy. I mean he has a weird history in the nineties. He kind of hung out with farrakhan and then hung out with republicans You know he's just us kind of genuinely weird person And you know. i hope. It was a humbling political rebuke to progressives. He's still going to have the difficulty. That i think is is kind of emerging one for democrat executives at either at the gubernatorial level or at the mayor level. Which is can he overcome the pressure from organiz lobby groups in the left that want to defend police or from or khanate overcome the reticence of prosecutors and attorneys general who were elected by progressives in order to not prosecute crimes and violent criminals and i think the the big action on this is kind of in the realm of gun rights. Which is that Some of these progressive soros-funded prosecutors. They they tend to pick a legal gun possession as the the test crime to not enforce so that they don't so that they can repair disparate outcomes. And there's kind of legacy of not enforcing gun regulations around guns. That goes back to stop and frisk Which did get out of hand. And you know. That's where they are. But then you'll see cuomo complaining. And maybe you'll soon see. Eric adams complaining that most of the gun crew violent gun crime in the city is caused by people who illegally possessed their gun. And so i think that's kind of exactly the point of molten lava I would look at. That's where the the fights going to be suzanne. Yeah the atoms campaign was very reminiscent of the biden campaign which was at the outset the presidential race. You know what. I don't think the twitter thing is very real. I think there's still this other democratic party out there that is an extremely woke. An adams had approach from the beginning. He emphasized the issue of crime from the start to the finish when elsie weighed in and endorse. This progressive candidate. Widely would be very easy to kind of bend. He didn't at all and it was a winning strategy. Lo and behold in a democratic primary in new york city. I found it a bit surprising. Although i guess it does make sense that the primary ended up being as close as it was because i figured while democrats at large are not nearly as as far left as what we see on the national stage i think biden's campaign in the primary proof that new york city is obviously among the most liberal places in the country. And i really don't think you know given how narrow that margin. Was that absent the last year or so what we've seen going on across the country and in particular the way it affected new york that a candidate like him could have won their To stick as i think most people there are are kind of unthinkingly progressive. Fine basically with how the city is for three years i. It's just very very progressively liberal. And i think people like that want the you know they don't care if it's bill de blasio or somebody else long as things are working fine for them and i think that's where the problem came in for the progressive candidates is that things really haven't been going fine and a lot of that is out of control obviously out of any politicians control but a lot of it isn't and he's done a terrible job and he's very progressive so i think there's there was an opening there for somebody to come in and say. Hey actually maybe you know. The police should have the ability to deal with crime and shouldn't just let these kind of quality of life things go because you know for whatever reason that matters and we're seeing people leaving the city and that matters. I think he kind of was perfectly positioned given the context Have an opportunity to win. And of course. I think will win the whole thing. So jim nez. Md was referring to. There's been a focus on illegal guns. You had cuomo issuing these various executive orders. And i think there's going to be an anti-crime unit now on the health department of of new york or something insane like that. The folks on guns is appropriate but we know what works in this context which is to send cops and the hot spots and stop people that they suspect reasonably are carrying illegal guns and stopping them and frisking them and they have illegal guns arresting them and if they're arrested for having a gun prosecuting them. That's what works and the the rest of this stuff. I view basically as invasion and away to avoid grasping at nedal. Yep there's no getting around the fact that atoms by being a former cop for twenty two years Former left the. Mvp is a captain. Just aesthetically he's a different mayor because he comes from the law enforcement community. You presume you're gonna see a ton of demonization of the police. Like a saw hundred de blasio. His campaign was being in a crime. Wave and so there was this recognition of reality there. There wasn't there a bunch of the other candidates. And i think one of the things that probably a week or two ago Peggy noonan the wall street journal is one of my favorite columnists really wrote a column just gushing but really you know giving a great rave review to atoms and boy. I'd love to believe that off this. This just you know how you know. The havana protests might be seen as a turning point. I'd love to think boy you know. New york was really in rough shape but we elected adams and that got things going. I'm not convinced that's going to be it You know part of it. is you know. Apparently it's a very liberal district attorney. Who's got exactly. There's all the problems of all the all the attitudes that caused this extra exacerbating of crime in new york city You know. I don't know if new york city's overton window so to speak has been moved enough There's really no reason to think that adams is going to be giuliani two point. Oh and i kinda think that. In order to reduce crime in a place like new york city. You need a mayor who just committed to it and i think ghadames is pretty committed to it but i think he's got a guy who's willing to be unpopular in order to achieve this goal willing to really kick people off willing to really be hated because of the kinds of reforms. He's going to push through because he has faith in the long run by the time he faces those voters again. In four years these policies will generate results. Not sure about that without him. I think you'd like to do it. But he's got to be based more willing to take on the entire city bureaucracy itself and i'm not convinced you're going to see this huge change and let's keep in mind that like yeah. He won but he won. And this this extraordinarily complicated Ranked choice voting system and under the final two. He got fifty one point one percent so not exactly he really big strong argument of. Oh i won. This resounding resounding mandate that you know every everyone else in the city possibly could dispute so sake. That's perfect segue to the exit question. Jim do you first. Nbd rate your confidence. That eric adams will get a firm grip on the crime situation in new york city once he is inaugurated as mayor from zero to ten zero. You have no confidence at all ten. You know you know for certainty. This'll be giuliani to point. -o in terms of public safety iron. Say he's going to say six. I think he has a heads start potentially do think as the post covid economy emerges to bring more people back into the workforce. Maybe we'll we'll see a natural dropping crime. I know we've said that other other places haven't seen the crimewave that the united states did. I still think it matters and So yeah i. I think he'll work to repair the morale of the police. Which is Has been in a very difficult spot last three or four years zam. I'd say six or seven. I think things are bad enough. That he's gonna feel like he has to follow through and will not be. He's already he's not doesn't really care. Progressive are angry with him For sticking to that. Jim guarantee your cellular skeptical. Put a number on it. Five point five and the reason that he'll he'll clear the low bar of better than blasio. How much better is probably be very debatable. For years from now Exactly with you jam except for a point five. I'm at five. 'cause i think this is something obviously centerpiece of his campaign. He's gonna feel compelled to deliver on to the extent he can but no one was Whose fault law enforcement issues closely of new york over the years was was much of a an eric adams fan prior to this campaign and there are things that are out of control like the idiotic bail so-called reforms that new york state past plus they'll be just massive political resistances. Jim was referring alluding to earlier is not as though every progressive in in new york is going to vaporize and become an adams eight overnight so i think it will improve the calling me a little a little skeptical down at a five with that. Let me do a quick and plus plug if you're not signed up for our plus urge you to join tens of thousands of your fellow national review readers. It's your way to dispense with metered paywall at national review dot com which is increasingly extensive in hardened difficult to get around. Don't bother with having to try to find a way around it. 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It's just been a great like project kind of joyful one and it fits with my theme on these light items. Last few months of like this post covid life opening up again So yeah thrilled with that. So jim gary your uncle kwan recently. Yeah and it's without revealing the precise location of authenticity woods. It's only about a half hour away if you drive down to ninety five past washington. Dc you go over the river. You might see a little bit of a harbor on one side of the other nuggets okay. Let's clean us. We'll turns out this historic downtown. Quan quan which is Really just tucked in along the river. There's enormous amount of civil war even pre-civil war history there. Lots of neat. Little chachi shops antiques and My son's had you know that the guy at the fudge shop was giving them free samples of just about everything Getting good wired for the rest of the day Had a nice lunch and of course the a frozen custard place. Just charming as all. Get out and it's really gets in my backyard. I guess that half hour away and driven past lots of times finally have been able to enjoy it. And that's terrific so my neck of the woods. Go check it out suzanne. We've heard about this before but you've actually started reading a new book. I have and i mentioned on the podcast on hopes that it will impel to read it all the way through rather than getting sidetracked on many books as i usually do. But it's called the rise and triumph of the modern south by carl trueman. I know it's been written about on. National review came out at some point last year in lots of lots in the conservative world. Enjoyed it people who might trust That i figured it was time for me to to sit down and read it. And thus far i've really been enjoying it. I think he puts his finger right on a lot of Sort of why. We are where we are in not just in a superficial way like a lot of political theory books tend to do. In my opinion abby relate dick steepen. there's so just prior to log onto this podcast. I did megan. Kelly podcast debate slash discussion with one of the authors of the new york times op. Ed david french and others. Guy named camille foster about the state level. Crt laws in the phenomenon in general and what we should do about it in megan's just so awesome. She's smart she is engaging curious in fair minded so this was a wonderful discussion. I think is about an hour and forty five minutes and it's no surprise to me that megan has been picked up by serious for a show on their network and the the The more megan kelly we can get in the media the better as far as i am concerned with that. It's time for editor's picks. Mba what's your pick are a pair of pieces by cameron. Hilditch cameron is our william f. Buckley fellow he hails from northern ireland. And you could guess at one point. Charlie cook had to pull him. And i often each other from a tremendous fight about something a century ago but Cameron is a great young talent and he wrote two pieces on critical race. Theory in the classrooms. How critical race theory gets into the classrooms and a response to the new york times and he's just a sharp tack thinker on matters of education and pedagogy and it's kind of a fitting william f. Buckley fellow as william f. Buckley began his career writing about just the same in god and man at yale. So shut up to cameron very nice. My pick is an essay by one of our summer interns sarah. Weaver called homeschool perspective on critical race theory. And she very stupid points out that she despite not being in a traditional school at all somehow managed to learn all about slavery. Jim crow the wickedness of racism. Right there in her home At in her very valuable home education and she goes on to explain why her in her understanding and her view critical race theory is not necessary for getting a real education about these things. Any mccarthy has a good headline but a good entire piece afghanistan exit but no strategy There's no getting around the fact. Afghanistan is a thorny issue. We've had debates on this podcast. You seem pretty much every perspective for the pages national review going on twenty years now. Not only do. I agree with andy mccarthy. I think one of the most depressing paragraphs. I've read Is his assessment in the conclusion quote after trillion dollars and thousands of americans killed and wounded. All we have to show for. Twenty years of effort is the naive hope. Another september eleventh is not going to be brought about by the same forces that are stronger today than they have been at any time since september tenth. Two thousand one andy. I wish you didn't have to write that. But i'm glad somebody did. So my pick is the next print issue of national review with a monster special issue devoted to china which in all likelihood will be a generational issue for this country across all sorts of realms we try to cover everyone of those important realms in this issue. I think it's it's going to be fantastic. And i think my colleagues But especially mark right. Jason storage for all. They they did to put this issue together which was a month long effort. So that's it for us. Human listening to a podcast rebroadcast. Re transmission or account of this game without the express written permission of nationally. Magazines strictly prohibited. Podcasts have been produced by the incomparable. Sarah should he makes it sound better than we deserve. Thank you jim. Thank you thank you. Nbd thanks to x. chair and made in. Thanks especially to all of you for listening. What are the editors. See you extra.
Season 2 Episode 33 Resistance is Futile"
"Three minutes and closing offers Koch of the day we've just received the report from the fleet engaged the ball art champion wide open by chairman analyzed Cuba Texas and there is a danger. Should I have your ship standby evacuate our moment of triumph. I think you overestimate their chances. You know she ships biological culture assistance docket maximum firepower binary impressive impressive charming to the last yes hours reading three the podcast bringing you news and review of all welcome to episode thirty three of Radio Free Endo but so gonNA pick quite Cyrano Orlando now Paul is left but it's not so quiet in the world of Star Wars Ono as we have had the new trade for the stall was resistance carry fisheries back from the dead. It will be an episode nine. Ryan Johnson deletes twenty thousand tweets just to be sure and the Russians are building a real life eighty S. T. so you could say he's gotTa beat mad but to help me out is fancy tracks Mark Newbold. I'm out doing I'm not too bad not too bad east. Get quite Zairean lonely in the old on Endo but hopefully my son Chris will be popped along in the future and help me out simple out. You're helping me out which is great absolutely always as a help to help yeah <music>. How's it going on at the moment yes coming good? It's busy busy. You've actually nail the these actually requires at the moment I think in terms of news but when he's choir it gives me the chance to because because I used to do lightsaber and and then did bit some dead on news it gives me to go back through content of mine. I like to spruce open and roll out again pretty and it's new home so so whilst it's been quiet for news is a bit of a slug to find news two times eight Saito's also nostra opportunity to sort of took into all sorts and toity that upset actually native as just before we started talking. I'd found the audio from an interview it did we Dennis Mira in about ten years ago the audio yeah and it's the audio came out white clearer than I ever remember jiggery-pokery and I think that might be rolling out on the fence charity Samsung so yes. It's just T- to do some bulbs like that so very useful and I also know you're. You're a big star Trek Fan. Now there was a Christian wants to the Shia. Now me my son Chris we often I'm I love Star Trek. I'm passionate about star Trek right and often when like if you've posted so combat star trek or a friend of mine oh Poh Bateman yeah he's post about such I often mm say swimming. Come the lines of prime or is it not right and I like to have this discussion with with Chris now. What do you think the new casting for the new spark I think I've heard him speak and I think the voice it? I can probably do good nimmo slightly deeper timber to his voice than Zachary Quinto. I don't think he looks too much like him. But I can see I think I think Nimoy had very unique sort of always so when they sort of sparked he's always with the shadow and the and the boys they can see a resemblance. There is a distinct noses well mostly evening Ethan Peck Eighth and eighth. Yeah Gregory Peck's grandson from yeah. I've never heard even be the most of sailing things looked is resume and he's been in all sorts of stuff and he's no spring chickens and he's thirty seven but some yeah I think he's saying one of discovery was so good and it was a grower as well. I think the first half a dozen episodes episode he's okay. I'm going to stick with it because he's track and then you know we just just got to the mid season break. Oh that was that was pretty decent and that all of the second half of season one just got better and better and better and finishing without that sort of face soft between discovery and enterprise. Are you nailed it just my heart always lift so when I say the answer projects one of those ships that go and do I have to miss a guilty pleasure thing I do like to see a redesigned version national book like the films also now but when it comes to TV and my biggest thing about the about the even though I enjoy it I did enjoy discovery. Is there was a no reason with to set it as a prequel right yeah because I think when you put things back you know when you set things you couldn't be standing on an awful lot toes and star trek has gone awful altos to stand on and especially when you hear in the after trek show which I watched they'll say oh all writers know exactly everything about cannon and they all one hundred percent dedicated to everything moves flow smoothly and I sat there thinking who's ten you these things because people are clearly got. No idea of cannon really hasn't got any so I literally have to kick now. It's not prime universe. It's not the prime it's a suspend of even though they APP said Oh no. This is the prime universe. I mean no. It's it's not the simplifies on all the T._v.. Shows there followed from the original TV show and Star Trek. They have shown the enterprise as the enterprise from the nineteen sixty six nine even into enterprise do do you remember the yeah you do and this in Detroit and tribulations and he was very much the yeah yeah they did exotic C._J.. One of the earliest ones look beautiful <hes> and they did they gave him more. I I think justification well two things one the very start season one discovery was ten years before the original series so they've given themselves a bit of leeway in that respect so I think maybe the very last show of discovery happens to have the envoys in it and it looks just like the one clean the original series then they can call it a fridge there they can they can do that. I think I'd also we've got lot four Kale joy you know Quality T._v.'s and then lots you obey well on the sixties TV fourteen inch black and white. You know you're not the dates islands they can. They can Fujioka over if they want to give you can give them that and I think a lot like for example the Klingons you know the Klingons we saw in say someone is going to be very different from what I'm hearing in season two very different again so I think and they've already lined up the twenty four twenty six Klingon houses. We've only seen about seven of them. Get so that was I did hear about that and I thaw yeah that's clever way of doing it. That each house is a different looking cling on all right. You saw me on that one. You've got because it's the KLINGON empire isn't it even though the Klingons all written on Cronos that spread themselves out across the guy you know the voltage the Ron millions not an awful lot of different volt probably slightly more pointed on the is bit more pronounced on the browns Romans visible rounded and angular but but you can tell that the same species it's Laudanum Odeon Zeros isn't it you know they spit off twenty thousand years ago Rosie. Now we have over many generations so so there's little work arounds but some but discovery yeah I think I'm stoked for season two and I'm totally with you always see as he is a the parallel that didn't work until very recently was always think in stars for any start at just the original envoys the I not versus the Baksi barely see it but the d. and the A. especially events. She's a character Maritza character in that show so in starts at the motion picture. When you had pretty much a ten minute live affair of the cameras sweeping around the ship as Kirk and spock Kirk and Scotty rather docking on the enterprise you know when he takes is coming from Decca about hoping the Music Jerry Goldsmith's music and some people thought so self indulgent? That's just all about special effects thought now you totally missed the he get what that same means. Why are you watching yourself? That's the enterprise that's as as important as Ted and spoken with Gordon. Some people thought so self indulgent. It's just all about special effects thought now you're only missed the you. Don't get what that same mean. Why are you watching the that's the enterprise that's as important as Kirk Spock McCoy coy completely at the core of Star Trek so anytime you do a sacred slot which which clearly what for you you know see the Info at the end of discovering a now now we know about and Emerson Solo and we know the L. Three is respect all of a sudden the Falcons Titan on a different persona in the in the best possible way L. Three was awesome and now we know she's part of the Falcons consciousness survive to a degree not by choice? It's no what she you want but that's the way it went down so you know it's it's made the full Kenmore of carrots and corn and have hand talking to the fault of stuff lot down. I'm sure they will somewhere but the enterprise because she's a big big big bow as well you know. I just think it's it's a it's a very important part star. It's and you know you often hear people moan about that scene from motion picture book. I loved it. I was on wow 'cause I'm like you. I watched star as a T._v.. When I was a little kid on reruns and animate and that film that film was great to me I thought it was fun? I understood it for when it and I know Manzo in <music> as Star Trek at three when they blew it up I rode my is not necessarily cried two zero. Yes funny now. Remember Star Trek pets because the statute was the first checks at the cinema. I never did see at the at the DC three and everything all goods and that that sequence and a friend of mine had saying before is stuck before of suggestions obviously three arrows member. My friend used to do stuff on Zyppah brilliant artists came back and said this is what was what was it any good and he says it was fantastic. Defects were dead the dead on and I think he was saying just to push buttons because he knew go all the way you know full on track with then it was all star wars. The Lord ship appears to be deserted. How can that be? They're hiding. The bridge seems to be run by computer is the only thing speaking speaking. Let me hear seven yeah and in Oh my God what have I done what you had to do what you always do turn death into a fighting chance to live <music> Corey's unstable changing rapidly what about service life signs and he's funny. That's how I'm GonNa Soy's now. It's Obama Jeddah. It's totally totally different way of presenting the but started three has got some gorgeous stuffing the excelsior for the first time that they as a beautiful ship somebody things in in that sequence when Kurt does disease thing and again. It's what are those who to script so good is certainly memorable lines in that script McCoy is the one guy deforest Kelley I wish above all of the people anyone in any genre any fell. He was the one guy I would love to have met or Senior Convention deforest Kelley Yeah absolutely how he did McCoy and spock his flawless hours line was just so good does not charcoal daily but do you know they do swinging solve back into what we know and of course with the the news that's old field boy. Patrick Stewart was born just down the road. He's coming mean back. Accomplish obviously thrilled about that. When when a new a new when rumors were flying around you know talking about doing a roth cons of mini series a comedy series and anime show and the sort of colored patrick outside of a screening or something the other day and somebody said if you've seen discovery and he said no we may soon have reason to watch it and so everybody was on high alert hang on he comedian discoveries <unk> guests are given the time travel episode or or what now we know why he was watching he wanted to get a feel for what modern trade is like you know yeah but <hes> what does he seventy eight now? If I was his birthday back in July I wrote an article Ireland Star Trek Dot Com for his birthday. I'm GonNa tell you this is tells you that these tells the importance of editors so ready article and hosted it and then about twenty minutes after posting it realized that REC- seventy seventh I I wasn't it was the seventy eighth and thank goodness the editor noticed it and tweets it in time because that would have gone down well wouldn't it wasn't his birthday. He was a year older. I'm sure we would have lost two in seventy seven but yeah I think it'll be phenomenal because all the other guys Israeli all the next gen crowd but beyond that you've got all the void directors and actors so think Destination Star Trek in October at the N._A._S._A.'s going to be phenomenal because everyone's going to be disposing yeah everyone would be expecting some kind of tease or some kind of a announcements as in this is who else is coming in this who else is one thing I always wanted to see. I wanted to see William Reicher saw on the Titan. Yes always wanted to see that and if the end but the interesting bit for me is <hes> what's going to bring data back because when when he died I was but they sneak sneak outbidding didn't they days conscience had actually transferred and don't wasn't that fit wasn't star Trek Nemesis. The first film that Tom Hardy was in it was two things all know about Nemeses <hes> a few another director horrible Hashem it <hes> yeah I think it was his first on screen performance and he was it's funny looking back when he said what a powerhouse can be now some holiday back then you know with the the you know the the fight Picard and all you know it's funny I was thinking when sizable vitamin the other day I think <hes> when they cast old Ehrenreich and casting very very well of I've got to think at some juncture by most of tried prosthetic nose because Harrison has a distinctive how or rather should say Hans Solo has a distinctive look about him is the schnauzers the nose you know it's a distinctive cpap vs facial features you know it makes him look unique and Adam drive is very much the same and are just wonder if this footage somewhere where they thought let's give it a go. Let's troy olden with with the hunt solar knows I see it looks right. Maybe they just dislike it does matter because all got a little button nose Harrison he can play triple eight. Oh I'm so sorry for all the stuff that's coming as the Star Wars and Star Trek. It's dishonest coast of yeah true now. Let's get star Trek now. Let's go to let's go into the stalls resistance trailer now I was actually holiday by when it dropped and I watched it and I was thinking it kind kind of looks like an xbox game. The animator shows shell shade. Shell shaded old game from ten year ago and I for speech strange so a watched N._F._l.. It's not too bad and. Thanks not give me the initial who like like the traitor they drop for clone wars yeah and so I went onto the Disney Youtube channel to have looked at it and it's had ten thousand up likes yeah yeah. Can you get that many down likes. Let me live. We can't do some massive head because the last time I looked it was it was six thousand Lloyd's and fifteen thousand dislikes so so it's twenty thousand nine hundred trying to work the key is going to be something horrendous. I'm sure a sixty five thousand dislikes no yet looking at right now with ten K. up sixty five down. That's all that's all. It's not that back I mean it is a scientist leads on the sort of the the thing about Star Wars now in twenty eight. That's the thing about it was twenty eight sees into the Disney era now so stalls gone from being a brand the in the nineties. It wasn't just readily via we had to go look for it. Afterward is still online or from shops or whatever it was a marquee brand. If I had stall on it it was it was quality it was it was top of the line it wasn't you couldn't can get stoves anyway now. We're in an era when he can boy brand. New Stall was for being stove is is from the lowest pound line Roy up to your royal selling goal Roy between yeah so so oh I think I think it was the clone wars these that's Primo. That's that's Jewish but a lot of money into that. There's a lot of our data the heart a lot of thoughts and I was just coming back to me. The animation style looks stuck halfway between rebels and the Oklahoma that that works for me that looks that looks good rebels was what rebels wasn't the animation on that increasing better. Every business is closed it <hes> and you look at resistance well resistance the whites the whites during the the style of chosen season one of his assistants in season three apparently musicians. He's only six months before the force awakens so they're not going to be that many seasons in. I don't think <hes> so <hes> unless I go beyond the force awakens. This is no reason why they can't go beyond the Vikings. They say they do three or four years of that. I would imagine season four. Let's say resistance. Look exactly the Siamese more because of the animation style chosen to your point really yeah. It looks fine agency. It's awesome if Cuomo is going on then D._C.'s channel five yeah yeah I would agree with that now. Say A kid show yeah so why is it primin on Prem Ewan premiers yeah on Sunday October the seventh at ten PM TEN PM strange. That's very think you'd think I don't know I mean I think try debuted on Disney channel and then it gets to stay rebels. Did I think so so yeah. I don't know I mean things that can be as coy as they want that can sail these. This star wars is pitched it forces of destiny star. was these girls there. No everyone's go to watch. It is pitched kids yeah but everyone's going to watch it so it's because he's star wars. We're going to at least be curious. Get I think the difference these days you know back in the day for Star Wars. Let's say ten ten years ago when rebel Lords and a new stall was thing comes on on always had six blocks we've had six movies and they've all been pretty awesome. He <hes> and then stole his T._v.. Show comes on they know so you can watch it and you can watch again now. The so many you know and now the summit content Commu now you've got resistance though they'll be other issues in the next year or two because they've got a pack out the streaming service. You've got the live action stuff. You've got movies. You be coming regularly. It's don't think you know I think a reasonable stall was stopped counting after one hundred twenty viewings white not now why employees enforcement five boys way over a hundred jet for design fancier a more defensive Minnie's now than I've ever been just I it's not shouldn't be I shouldn't say a guilty pleasure. That's not the Roy Fraser talks. It's an awesome film but get more and more about film the Moral Watch it so fanciful for missing fifty plus storms move point being of Seen Force Awakens Probably Fourteen fifteen times rogue one about the same. I caught imagine seeing either of those films more than Thirty Forty Times. Do you know what I'm getting such content. Now you know we were spoilt. In a why I need for besides complete the county I think we were spoiled because we had the three year gap between the films because we got to know store was important yet so well and even we got them on video and watch them at home the more readily available but on the video player in my living room to mom and dad are otherwise orchid. What things hey you know because he's so readily available? It's you know when you record comes on the radio. Stop even listed on the idea on a woman you could stop. You could listen to it right now if you wanted to start but I can pause it on the woman. I've got control over on the woman. I've got no control over on the radio so it's attention because it's not in my power. Do you know what I'm getting into. Hey if I be selling right here so so I think he's kind of that. Logic is it's a weird logic but I think we just got the original trilogy and the prequels degree yeah better than we'll ever know the this trilogy because there's series episode joins our we've got to <hes> Guy with thrones film guys phone from those because if it happens another Roy in trilogy and then they're gonNA run out and you'll get ten eleven and twelve but they'll and that's the next standalone Kanobi or you know there's rumors of of the bits and bobs floating around you know when you say about <hes> the Phantom menace now I I've always loved phantom menace always and especially because that was the the first film where I loved on to see that very I remember very Australia the very first trailer and set my Internet's watching and I went bed Gatto went were comeback and only just got to the end of downloading three minutes worth of video and watched it and I was like Jack God it was the best thing ever and if yes films I ever had on to say power V._H._S.. Yeah Yeah Yeah but he called me a couple of why I've got a copy a I've got a copy of the holiday special proper apart video guilty my guilty secret is that the first America so we're sending the gentleman who was on part of Video Samy terrible a friend of mine's these that were in Saudi and brought it back from Saudi and it was a really ropy is it the heads fog at the bottom of the screen so the copy of Jeddah. I think we've got the same company because my dad to ease to go out driving all over the country and he brought me back at a V._H._S.. Copy retired generals the house like you go is this what is it and he goes thinking South Star Wars film you wanted so I look at the time when I was like Oh my God then attic think Governor WanNa play who I ended up doing it yeah but don't you think though we kids kids go creek now but I think in general came out was twelve so I was twelve it was what was it like a tiny kid. It was twelve how gullible I used to put that film on and always convinced that somebody would not consider I put all the ring you know. Someone's going to knock on the door at site you should you should be watching that what you're getting arrested. You know so pitcher for the watching the so yeah I think we both at the same in-copyright seven hundred I now so in council is going to speak to you about Brian Johnson leap deleting twenty thousand tweets. What's Powell written some terrible? Things ought to be thanked a member cook as ago when he first got the gig to do this new stalls well to do the last Jedi of course tweets that he had said about George Lucas Day popped up and I read them and I zinc and they are pretty bad way set about George Lucas right now and then for him to get the GIG afoot well up you do a bad job. The inmate literally put yourself on the spot if saying that usually because it was it's not that much of a good director because of the prequels and then he makes Djeddai <hes> right and then it deletes twenty thousand techs. I think it's a bit late mate. It's his a bit I mean I suppose he's back. He's presenting himself after the whole James Gunn thing I I think I think Roy incomes were says annoy but there's also an element of passive aggressiveness about him because he can really quite hard so. I don't know I suppose anybody anybody in the business. Now is going. That'd be thinking God you know I felt bad for James going because not not condoning the tone or the topic of the jokes that he said people went back digging found the stuff the Iranian yeah it was questionable content but comedians you. It's a shot in the dark what's GonNa hit and what's going to miss me think back to the you know the the Bill Hicks of this will do you think they would never chance these as they would. They just wouldn't be allowed to say what offer what they said Richard Pryor or any of those no chance so because because people are so touchy and easily offended as they so so I felt bad for James Because Disney hired him they should've Dimaggio diligence a long time ago yeah so I felt bad for the guy even though not not condoning the total topic of what he was making can joke about the comedians are allowed to make jokes about stuff. Nothing nothing should be to nothing at all should means yeah. I don't think I think Disney were a bit quick off the mark for considering that he these Texas so these Texas these tweets always had surfaced yeah some time ago and he emmy went on you know on the apology trail then and apologize from seemed okay for Disney's got yeah okay fair enough. Let's move on and he did make two really successful films Yeah Ryan now. I've literally had to put a gun to the galaxy three back and you've even got <hes> what's his name plays drugs IFA taster yeah he's proper in unease in guns corner and he said he didn't really want to do the film. If James Ghanaian turn blame him now because they know the rock busy 'cause I bet you're older than the Rock and yeah yeah this awesome if Iraq I ain't going to unless you get James Gone you could pay them. Dollar James going to be on that can't be bashed. The shore is the surest in Hollywood was if the Rock said do it it would be done. Yes yeah definitely I just thought just bring battle one more film. You know whoever steps into them shoes is gonNA feel uncomfortable genetic. I mean yeah I'll say I think they've got they've got wall. Got Three good options have got Tokyo did for aw they've got Scott Derek's indeed <hes> doctor strange and they nine with the dresser who just did and managed time ahead but they've got him as well so the Samal got three guys who who could feasibly step in and do guardians three and apparently going to stick with James Gunn script insolvency. You know they're still finessing it so they'll be tweaks well. I think the big miss the big loss for Disney and I think that's been foolish is that James Gunn was consulting on on the on face four which is the cosmic phase yes so you're going to see a lot more eternal coming up and and stuff like that and obviously just Fox. They're not gonNA fold in the fantastic four the X. men for good long wall yet WANNA get the at the current site finished which make sense but but gun has clearly got the Oi for for that cosmic stuff so yeah they are. They GONNA hurt. It's GonNa hurt them. I said he was going to happen. I can see it happening D._C.. Going to snap snapper James Good and say well do I what you did for them and he'll do absolutely I thought that because he's already set this people banging on his door to defend the no problem so yeah I think this especially our was from a guy that <hes> 'cause i. I hate till this left right crap right but this guy was out to gain a new spin out to get a couple of people and Edo still dog and dog dog until he found sewing sorry take on anybody anybody in this world and they can be the nicest people on Earth. You'RE GONNA find. I bet you feed you. If Gandhi who's tweeting they would find indicates off now to me yeah so you don't want to be as something but yes I think yeah I think I'd love to seek and destroy faded. That'd be fantastic yeah now. You're right. I mean yeah you can get an anyone. Currently whatever whatever angle community from I think I think they're gonNA regret a really. Do Yeah say they've found a I think that found a rare talent james go because two. I think the first I'm going to send guardians. There's nothing in it for me but that first Guardians I felt something for that film. I haven't felt since the original star wars I cared about every character. It looked amazing all all of the designer of the humor everything about that film just everything about the first guardians nowadays I think on it now. 'cause you know how many models twenty marvel films now. You know. It's it's just crazy when you think of five with a while the soldiers super wars road of that <hes> you know full wreck knocks actually pretty high but I think if I had to pick one pick one which one you're going to pick up a year. Guardians First Guardians audience probably my favorite one so he did something very special there yeah I think yeah I think they're going to regret it by this is from the company that released song of the South and then re released it. You know they're in no position to never never dig about didn't they do you can't get Song Assaf now. Kenya you can't find anywhere pretty much banned. These trying to get copies of lavar neighbors is not going to well. Can we just have the song of the south with EPS look by neighbor delivered please in the generally car there on an old V._h._S. Shonky copy copy some ice over the jet. I say what a strange time we are. Here's a good be those from what we strange time as well now it is it is I feel really sorry for these comedians that they con- not literally say stuff that me and you thought was <unk> extremely funny back in the day and I mean we thought nothing of it not a main yeah me and I you know I I had to collide friends and Asian friends when I was at school and we all laughed together. Did I think this is certainly think that the concept of Banter has gone out the window because because we owe said so many kids push boundaries Kissi things and do things they shouldn't annoyed said things now Ika Comma where we say that. I don't think I think back in. I think I didn't mean anything malicious boy. I don't think I understood half of what I was saying because it was just I'd probably heard it on the young ones or something so you just said you get your choice cost on things. It's not do not have malice we were saying saying things out of malice but now people think people kind of attach intent to everything you Si- you can't be the policeman for everything you say especially when new forming your worldview if that makes sense yeah and some some people have got their world view in place when there fifty some people haven't got their worldview really in place till the thirty. You know you can't judge people so yeah you're right. I think it is a shame that you've got to censor everything. You say Yeah Yeah Yeah Coupla days ago <hes> stoves actress Kelly Mary trench she actually she she <hes> put out a statement didn't she about about you know what's been happening to our. She feels about being cast in installs as well as being an and an Asian actress actress was act right is tricky as I read it and I could understand where she's coming from but Sam I still feel it doesn't matter how who they hire it is. She's just doing a part that somebody wrote genetically. She did quite well. Gee I mean and everyone's Oh she's Asian. Oh my gosh is what else can oh get over. It may look this when we was kids. We had we had Ripley Right Ripley woman strong woman in my God in Alien and aliens and every single variety of Sarah Connor in term yet fantastic lasted all these strong female action Heroes Day north. Oh anything Covic F. One just took it in but it now it's an issue now I mean you've picked picked up the same the con of perceived impression or the the <hes> the way people view it now the the the fan girl inverted comes. The finger is a new thing and he's now now. We've already taught about star Trek. I'll give you a great example when starches cancelled in sixty I after season two it was a fan. A Fan led fund formed letter campaign to N._B._C.. That brought star Trek back that was led by Oy Light. It could be Joe Trimble GPS on that site star Trek and she's still around. She's in her eighties now. She's still around and in the seventies when they started off the conventions the core group of the people who got that First Star Trek Convention in New York expected or four hundred people three thousand people turned up zoll women show so funded specially trained which is kind of the core of all funders. I would say really <hes> I know you had the Wilson's facing convention before that way back to the fourteen year old Khan and all that but trek conventions in the seventies that's when it really kind of hit the stratosphere all women so so female fans is not a new thing by the same token misogyny is not a new thing `gate-keeping new thing we just just more informed about what it means and I think it's good to have the discussion but the thought of female fans made a new thing I find kind of laughable because that's so unfair to all the fame alphons women who've been into Stall Star Star Trek and science fiction comics everything else for decades <hes> not just got on with it you know I'm being a fan of lows and half of conventions with women for years. His knees knees thought nothing of it Yep same here yet now. When you read anything he's like always has even I enjoyed stalls? It was a problem for me because I was again. I was thinking really I think somewhere along the lines these people jumping. Jumping on a bandwagon where they shouldn't really because to me rural equal boy go whatever you are and I mean if you enjoy a fandom could be anything right does matter who you are you just enjoying it yeah. Perhaps I'm old school on. This woman hated it at some point when during the solo press toll there were trying to push to say what kind of sexuality is Landau. Why do we need to know I mean I? I don't eat them. Bless them. You know bright is of the the poor on the spot so the F. immediately come out with something or because they think Oh my God I mean I'm just one of those dreaded questions out to be in the spotlight now yeah so it's stop. It's it is a it's a it's a tough thing in in general all I think is that for him on the as now has been around and there's been famous funds or Star Wars since Diwan and to May it's a bit like it's a bit like some of the skills she's wonderful. She's a perfect for me but I wanted to do this and I wanted to do that and I wanted to change this. So what do you what do you live somewhere. Won't you look someone wanting to change why would would you love Star Wars and then want to change it. WHY WOULD YOU WANNA change if you love it so I think you know we we all? I think representation is important because install was more than against star Trek two of the most cosmopolitan politician platforms for stories in all of Roy thing you walk into the Cantina and there's a monkey stood next week insects to next to the woman's dog thought and they've all got stories so we can all tell stories but what I don't like talk about star will sometimes at the moment is that I think so. Let's keep talking about Star Trek thing about trek is it's. It's it's it's positing future will be so it's very relevant to teller twentieth century story about equality or Rice or sexually we wanNA tell but but it isn't install always gonna go a long way. Why stole was literally nothing to do with the world today absolutely the thing so when they put colloquialisms like in Lockin lassiter or we're going to do something about that big ass door? What's you know Godspeed rebels and there's all these earth phrase's okay? I'm not animal animal mentions and get you know because you almost lucky in joke when they mentioned you know adoption dogs and cats but then but now it smacks of lazy writing. Oh it's it's a crystal Fox or it's a wolf for its loft cat or so really on it. Just seems lazy the Acura grumpy old men tonight but thank you I think what's considered simone aridity but say thinking about it 'cause Walter listeners. We'll hear from the Capriccio were pull. Bateman is <hes> what he did not like the last year I didn't lost it and I was going over the audio again for him and listening and it now starting to think about the last Jedi again myself and he's not one of the films I would immediately reachable and I was thinking we've Ryan Johnson in the beginning because that sounds a lot to go back and see interviews of just prior to the being especially celebrations when everyone was walk up because Brian Johnson Tom it don't blueprint knew everyone was like believe. This guy's got to be great and then fast forward a Gero so and find out what's happened and you think initially at didn't they say it was it just before the last year I was released at. They said Ron Johnson was going to be doing this whole new trilogy right. I think he was Yankee was yeah yeah you honestly think after everything that's gone on and specially out J._J.. Is GonNA solve lot retool episode nine to get back on track because surely Disney are not deaf to the way people have said. Did you know about the last Jedi he's got twisted Turner Literally Wreck Connie back to the false wake to all the stuff introduced in the full squadrons the wish jettisoned in the jet. I bring it back to finish it. Just think Disney will then say Ryan all yet gone. They go do another trilogy gone. We'll give you the Castro. Some tells me that well. I think he will slowly so flying be exited for the kiss. Show show gift shop groper wouldn't surprise if one of these shareholder meetings it was very quietly. Announced Lucasville is funny habit of of doubling things open press releases so if you remember the press release for the for the purchase of Disney back in two thousand twelve in that same press release I always side and by the way grow so making seven eight and nine that was the movie news of the year and it was the second bullet point on a press release. You know what I mean. It is native to moist smart wave coined of hiding news within big news. It wouldn't surprise me if this if there was some sort of always royals decided he's going to do something else or we've partied rice creatively eh think I think they are in pre production certainly but yeah I think I think if that trilogy been announced or haven't been answered before the last came out on the fan reaction being what it was I mean any you know I I mean the the the mention brexit before we started nightmare topic but you know you've got four when you're against and the people who are against the people who are for a completely nuts invoice averse and I think the last Jedi the people who don't like it really does the people that love passionate about it and think that it's a tiny minority that doesn't like it the DIS- shouting very loud in my experience. It's really very very fifty fifty. I don't know call the anyone who is ambivalent about the Phil lay the Lovato they dislike it. <hes> and it really is a moment feel. When you read P._C.'s from Roy and Sinema provocateur? I like to get people I I want half of the audience to destroy films and I look at that quote and think and the toys into the James Argument of Disley. Didn't you do your do diligence and check his twitter fade you listen to any Roy Johnson's previous interviews when he says I want Hoffy audience to hate more fell I enjoyed lucas sucks you know and give the guy the case to the biggest franchisee movie history and the per- The box of this you know it was he's not now just walks out but he wasn't the old Song Tanzer moneywise degrade <hes> but I just think that's a very odd. What is the reasoning for that? Nothing I as a director I think he's got the perfect I really think he's all as a director the visual directors just bang on your work and the way he directed it. It got some stunning performances Harry an atom Jordan and enjoy a stole the fell he was phenomenal but I don't think I've ever said this <unk> on the podcast before. I didn't work for me it didn't it didn't do it for me and so for me I have not to be at night freaking out about it after all. He was ready always ready for Solo homer got home from seeing the less dead on <hes> <hes> I spent I'll turn my attention to sell it on looking for this hour and for me when that came out that was now that was the dogs that that that worked for me. That may be more than happy enough to think a guy last the season for Dallas. <hes> and episode non will be bobby coming out of the shower and I'm walking get me how on that you know <hes> I think J._J.'s can knock it out the park yeah pictures leaking online of <hes> you know uh-huh little snippets from nine and I think there's going to be something very very special are really helping. He's got all look for so I can see. It was an easy watch it was it was episode for remade. We all know it but it was. We know we all know it was different. Interstate had enough differences that can get away with it but it was a software <hes> for starts back. The false wickens being like suffering but the widow need to do a self rebate in I mean there. There's no need because stall was different. Entities compared to everything keeping star Trek doesn't need a review thinking. Why do you keep trying to reboot? It's not Spiderman Star Trek people know <music> but star trek now I mean people know about stall was no reboot needed right yet. They still went down the road and about doing it but you know it's bound to make money for the supervises people like you and may we're going to see it. Even though we come back on goes Graham I still went back and a sore it again. Give us a big crowd. You know what I mean so I saw three times and I loved it preordered it but but I'll tell you I'll tell you what I was good against. Some some proper news mom stole was upset and the photo league's show the foul could and what park is a park is coupon would studios yeah yeah what was going to saint is making star wars <hes> like the Star Wars version of T._M._Z. because they can't even before the obscenity gets it they did. I think they've got some friends. I do know that that <hes> way back when when I was still doing jed on news we were offered all sorts Suv Pictures Name Ajay's and store from the Force Awakens Satin and we said <hes> an I eventually ended up in in the Pisces as other websites so and I know now I don't know who is taking these pictures and weeps said thank you no thank you so. They don't contact us anymore and that's fine but yeah I think it's either somebody who lives very nearby all emotive me somebody who works on the films. I honestly don't know but but some Jason over making star it was I see that's that's his thing. He does eat well. I think they do. They do a good job. I play that play dangerous game. Of course I wouldn't have the nerve to post the stuff that they post but but then he just great analysis so I think he's he's analysis of the it's a you can get away with it but I wouldn't want Lucasville more Disney. I'm not gonNA motto. Oh no funny we had phone call. <hes> I mentioned this the other night somebody wearing a phone call was I had a phone call about six weeks ago from Lucasfilm P._R.. What what's this in my initial Catholic guilt for not Catholic typical may thinking one of them wrong wrong so took the phone call and neighbors perfectly nice and it was hey mark hey doing and I how's it going? How's the new site gasoline and role of you live in the site? Really Oh yeah yeah yeah. Berlin Nostra low people are paying attention and that's and this was just after it posted the Billy Dale News which of course officially announced about four weeks after we posted it on panther and then Hollywood voter stole it was lucky it was their exclusive and then may call that loads of people kind of funny and he says next time we post anything juicy. Would you mind giving us a heads up because you know just out of courtesy in case. We've got something planned. <hes> you know yeah. Absolutely you know not do that very often anyway so you know it's all about playing the game and being polite and being you know friendly and helpful so yeah always been great for me to me helped me with interviews interviews and hopefully off that rock the boat too but so yeah it's interesting when he saw saying they speeches he. No you know he's all coming. It's coming fast. Isn't it in yesterday's debate Nassar in the news because I'm not to my my the way I look news mark is I just go into Google stalls news and it the top ones and the very top one came on. I think it's a website called space dot com a day ago and it's a New Star Wars episode strikes Pat Lake said if he says it is this the class at you yeah yeah. It Looks Matt. Do you know what it reminds me of that old Palo Toy Desta said yes no doubt about it hasn't it yeah look to them when and I only just been to the Lego shop down in leads and I saw the the hogwash the miniature hogwash and that was like three hundred pounds on seeking who that he needs one of them. Oh and now seeing this now that he really wants is Elliot's. The EPA looks yeah. There's a lot going on today alternative with slate one but it's gonNA slave one. It's got Carbonite Chamber Scott the the lightsaber jewel it's got the the dinner the dinner that they have with Dafa and as a corridor but this is another section at the bag which arrived look and I can't seem to see a photo of it of of the set but it looks a copy at extension to the Veda Luke fight yeah puts its proper epic the proper drop this. I didn't even know it was going around. You know yeah. I really wanted Egon. Miniature little cloud city lego been the U._P._S.. Yes luckily inside the and it's got the term cloud cars well. It looks absolutely meant now. I'd like to see if there's any exclusive figures that come there are specially made for this one because I do notice in the photos. You've got two versions of layer in it one way she's wearing that dress and that could be an exclusive figure doping the broadband. I can't see the brought that figure out in any over journal set but said the of one where she's dressed as in the in the white suit from empire. I'm sure that's out show I've seen that as as many figure but some of the little carbonite I love the little haunt sundering carbonate little lego thing thing that's absolutely special show and this is retailing for this is in dollars. I'm not too sure how much is empowered place three hundred and forty nine ninety nine dollars and it's going to be oh probably three engine for inadequate. They'll probably just do there is coming on October the first so if you go to the states pick it up there 'cause M._p.. Cheaper it will it will be cheaper money. Yeah definitely want for the flicked lighters that is yeah yeah. That's Oh yeah. I bet that came up on the news now. This is going to be a bit spoiler marquee a year cater handle spoilers. I'm Outta spoilers okay right they reckon. There's an episode nine rumor revealed shocking return of iconic villain can and can you probably think it is pick tonight. Pick iconic villain kidding it. Can you think iconic villain pick iconic wouldn't be would it why client yeah right because the picture the police they ate at full suspects on Joplin Veda Mall and vet and I was thinking well it's not all because at the the getting himself Cato for the first solo sequel maybe on and Japa- Nez if anything hippie in the next solo film in fact Jabber Mall and vet our would save money on them. They would be in the next solo film so we'll have to be fatal now the they reckon this going to be a scene featuring kylo ren is looking out of a window in in the reflection you can see or or veto you know so it's going to be like half and half saw thing vader inadequate the way our picture is going to be something the Mortis trilogy remember that scene in the clone wars where you saw saw the helmet in solve the smoke I think wasn't an easy so anikin and then it sort of changed to the smoke change to Vanzella what Palmyre I record. It could be something like that yeah but there again so early Dole's these issues the salt thing that finds one nothing would surprise me. He's GonNa throw the kitchen sink so nine. You know I mean people signing about four Lakh Forced Council Yoda coy on the Kim Band Luke. It'll be on there yeah. It'd be interesting to see how they play. We would be the pronounce mark. Hamill is definitely. They didn't keep his name away and he's even grown these bad back noticed it was a photo need a posted on there. I think was an instagram or twitter. All of its I 'cause it Mark Hamill Yours Postal and survivor about trump or by his bed and it was said right. I'm like everyone else. Please don't be dead please. You don't be dead and I'm hoping that he will he will turn that around that would it be good if a mean Po- Bang go into this about different scenarios but wouldn't it be good if <hes> if the film started we've Luke Waking up somewhere in rebels is a perfect near the time troubling gate well not yet much of the falling through somebody had grabbed him and pulled him through the end that would explain why his hand when with him interesting yes onis click foul nice hand in hand with synthetic with technically have just gone doing now domain yeah totally well I think if he can force projects himself itself from Akzo she's white in the middle of nowhere all across the crates <hes> in real time across the galaxy and do what he did yeah <hes> then. I don't think there's any reason why he couldn't have transported himself from actor too so morale's all another twist potentially is the all along Luke's sitting in Ben Sorts on Sata Wayne and he has been forced presenting himself to actor yeah <hes> honing his powers and he's he's law even well on Tasse Wayne all along and <hes> and buries an episode episode nine. I think one is no less feasible than the other side. I'd love him to be alive in somewhat what Yeah Arabia but you know what would it be funny. If <hes> Juneau Sky Sky Move Get sky moves in U._K.. Domian and they also do broadband instaflex they did they do commercials for Pixar movies when they come now they've commissioned the special adver Stonesifer for sky and they did it with if I think for the marvel films as well. I'll tell you what they are missing a trick for sky broadband where the same swing come the lines if <hes> if you want to project yourself in multiple different places in the universe sky multi-room as luke did pretty good bands spoiler ever given the white and I'd definitely well. I'll tell you what it's absolutely fantastic talked about all this stuff and I think with don't usually go this forward to its but for so long it's usually very quickly regained. Interview I'll tell you what he's Times. Go into the interview with with Paul Behmen so where we'll go into that MAR and we'll wrap it up afterwards we'll come back and wrap it openness. That's okay that sounds good to me. Welcome back to part two of this ninety five episode Saga Saga with me and poke scrapie nipple. It is yeah man like you see this. This is what happens when he kinda guy pulled you WanNa talk about stores like succinct isn't really like a weight in my mind way die mind right. Let's to straight back into a pool and there's one Christian I wanted to ask you is. Do you think that the spin off films were more successful than the numbered trilogy films well I have to. I have to say I mean it's one of these things where you know. People can gonNA take fakes volume. I am not one of the things I always say. James is takes law really brilliant people making a load real lot real effort to make a movie Roy Kiss. Filmmaking is really difficult and there's a reason why there's only handful of people of Nice to make a really good story always movie and <hes> why did it before George and it's because it's really really really tough as there's a law bowls in yen air. There's a lot of expectation with stoves. Maybe it's a real tricky thing to accomplish in anybody. The EAM gets gets close is <hes> is a real miracle worker in my book and it's it's really difficult because I look I look at the force awakens when it came out I mean not you know when I was looking to get premier and Soufflot and then the following day flew out to states against it with makes about this within twenty four hours I've seen it in two countries and that was the confidence I add in the brand and Disney's company in a j.j Abrams and unluckily I was a big fan of his movies and <hes> so I was relieved to find that when Sura like yeah this movie's about eighty five for me you know a hundred we like it you know thoughtful. It's their past pearly Prequel Semaine law respects but <hes> but at the same time I kind of felt like yeah it's kind of the same sort of head before law ways but the thing about the arline docile kind of what was it felt film that we needed on the film that we want it if this is a film that's reintroducing old-fashioned functions does is lying to a new generation of kids and what went around when I came out so you think like yeah this is a good way set nope still throw wall and we want it to be around one where old and gray <hes> an I think it was really small it kind of target children with a film that was a lot the film and <hes> I think there was enough enough newness in the characters instead of just going to let it slide. That story was so similar but <HES> so I felt like yeah this is a good film to to stall on but but at the same time I was thinking the by really get together for number two because we want something there's play with empire on Tim's version Auntie but but for me off though I thought the law said I you know it was really about <hes> it is a real really about <hes> <hes> surprising people you know just for the sake of surprising them in my opinion and our law Lehnhoff your debt but <hes> a thing I think <hes> anybody thinks audience didn't like it is is <hes> in denial because there are hundreds of thousands of reviews will over the net of people just that I'm just not like it. They hate it which is a very very different thing and it surveys very read the film guess I Kana reaction and <hes> it's not not just because I mean one of these teams are really dislike. These days James's his hater as a label because to me I think he's got diminishing. I think as as making light of people's feelings and I think in the end is like you know we've certainly sounds who old enough to remember what it was. When he came out and seventies we spend Ortiz being told to love an expect something and then when it goes off the rails into something different to that you should not people forget Sam is very true? It's very true gun around yet at the funds of sunny reacted really strongly witted goons to at that I said I you know when I went to see the force awakens came out with thinking. Did I enjoy that. Oh No I was not too sure. Are I say I don't mind it. Now I can watch. I don't mind it but the thing is if I didn't like the old O o liked it. You know it was out okay all right. We've got a basal story. Let's carry on that that story to a conclusion and then the last year I seem to come in and go you know everything. You've just sets open up film. I'm gonNA choke like Luke. Zayas guy will his lightsaber and I'm GonNa just do my whole whole film when he chilled that Lightsaber author <hes> this is out. This film is going to go and it's exactly how it went for me. I felt like the way I felt about. James's was laying I I went into this Roy from the very off a my position has always been shuttling Kennedy's and absolute genius look up production roster. I accept this. I'm telling you do recognize the fight. The Joe was a producer prior to stores very different and he it's not the same job you know it just isn't <hes> book you know voice at Pfizer and our intelligence and and <hes> you know her just a Gen will ran small tonight. She seem perfect person for the job G._P._O.. steelers I mean because because for the button from as I oh I thought last night I was purely a ten so although the first weakens play at ten A. thought <hes> rogue one was maybe nine out of ten. The last Jedi was one out of ten and then thought sal I was nine out and so so you're looking at that way. It's like you go. Full films really really liked our so you got three films. I really like that for some not don. itself is a real achievement so the fact that won't fill me super divisive patiently site the fact that you know even to the people that really didn't love that movie was still mostly gain heads and I think people losing saw outlet obeys like yeah. There's no reason to stop boy coin things again. Syllabi is like and then again most of them Roy. I mean especially if you consider the the people really didn't break rose. I mean that that locked knowing years of not liking. Where's where's here? I kind of think well. We've you know the valley since twenty twelve and wine lodge relied managed to even the People Dan Law Shit always so you know may I've absolutely huge amount of confidence in their ability to proceed <hes> An and Mike good films that we're going to get. I think that there are plenty of people involved in the process there that do get it. Yeah I went. I was at a convention. I was talking to some people people and of course the last Jedi Chemo and when I said yacht didn't like it and this guy set sma. Oh is it because he writes his or sexist now. When what excuse me and says you add me and I was like Oh don? I am a child of the A._T._S.. I had ripley. She was a kick ass. I bought the action figure of Landau. Landau Black says I'm not racist. I'm not sexist. Those actors are only paid to do that. Film the Great People People Right bolt the film's not good yeah I mean too. Many of us don't like yet. Many people really like it and I think that starts to say. We don't need another film on that. If hoff you audience hates it off. Your audience loves it you made about film. You are yeah what got me more than anything. Though Paul was instead of just saying Oh butting alike it straight away yeah the racist or sexist. It's got nothing to do with that the king to to go to that because it feels a lot procon into me and I'm tired of it. Really I think interesting now that need it but I mean I mean the debate too is when I said that on John Lewis Directness. I couldn't have been happier 'CAUSE I. I've liked Olin's by catalog. Wait till literally everything I've lived in Ola really enjoyed blooper through his last night and made me really good script. solicitously only move you have not lot by Ryan Moose was this that was so always definitely one of the voices Kinda got yet great choice. He's the guy you know but I guess what it was going with. Nothing James's because you were talking about having time to kind of assess you situation and La what boggles my mind is the is the you know. The film was basically ready six months before it went out and to release ace that nobody can have addressed the fact that there were problems. The Navy just die just blows my mind that the I mean because I literally from from the first frame to last I'm famous Kinda Guy White Walk in and I'm no immediate spin electorate like work for a living yeah an always rare or it's going to just way you like show off the off the show in on it was like an I can be explained in and <hes> economically justified you know if you sit down and listen to people who've really really thought about it. Boy You know my feeling was that you said they should've been more apparent while yeah while you're watching the film and and I just it's clearly it was that low people and not does know he's not irrelevant even if you if you look on Youtube and you see interviews were more Campbell all can about it you can generally see the guys upset about it and went and when he's with Ryan Johnson you know the probably greatest friends but you know the press tour. I bet you that was really hard from both not I mean I think that if anything just did not like there were flowing together. I think the thing about Roy News he's clearly annoys go. I and hi some the progress as I'm put with them online. It's you know there's an enormous amount of entitlement guide around the moment from every direction. Hey is losing the movie. People thinking usually will love it. If you don't unity there. Were the People Kinda guy and you know. If you hate your I interviewed unity so all these people just need to shoot and get some balance in heads you know full of kind of you know like nasty has kind of directed at Ryan and confusion around more and M._R.. My feeling about it is Roy Navy's best. He made a film that he really wanted to make an that's not so we can expect from him and <hes> you know. I think it's incredibly I find filming currently disappointed in and it makes me sad. There's a film star wars movie that just like this March. I you know I would have said that was no easy to to take me there you know and and then nothing case cases as beyond surprising nothing I think the one thing that I'm very aware of when you when you work in industry as often as a code of conduct amongst actors and directors and people in business the generally you know feelings coordinative by thing you know you generally keeping you see south because you don't maybe that you don't want to now <hes> you want to give people a chance to decide for themselves whether or not they're like Yo know so you know mark's been in the business for a long time so I think it's quite clear that he's really is a finalist movie because even more extreme or that is a big deal to an actor in this in this yeah I mean because they're not gonNA come out and say you know full on. I really don't always make me so even motives from all K's lot you can send the volume on his just say read that happens. I mean for me. I think it's very telling when people go quiet. It's like Apollo people in the industry that you would expect to be. Will everything signed like all great but you don't you don't see him in the press anywhere in the don't say anything. I think it's very very easy kind of you know silence. How's everything doesn't it sometimes nine? I mean you can go back to why he's you know yeah but the mom for me you know I just hope with number nine is very different movie and I think it will be <hes> think it has to be. I think clearly Disney in an doom Bo's they put intended in and and you know they want to make a movie to every likes it makes it tuna Mooney surgery trick but saying that low poll on twitter all of a sudden and account sunny popsicle could remake the last Jedi now setter rogan Eh to pets into this and yet quieter a forward and backwards conversation with the team of this remake lash jet I during and then even Ryan Johnson Sunni tweeted. Please please please please please actually make this happen. Please from ranchers and I went up at the Athol all Ryan. You've Chris Fuller. It's because now they can say even that director wants is to do food so I had to look at these and they reckon these people are real produces and they've got some serious cash and they are willing to remake the Ho- the last Jedi what what you make. Have you seen this on <hes> I've seen it. I mean the bottom line is the reality. The reality of the film industry's is <hes>. Nobody plays two hundred million dollars on a movie that they are lace. There's there's no way on this planet. This is going to happen now. Why municipal is a little bit of something is there's no winner I mean when I when I think about what all of you know directors and producers that were with every day as it struggled to get a movie to happen? You know anything like yeah. That'd be planned. Two billion you know does the Jiaxi to to make a remake of a movie that the dial tone is just. She's not going to happen but it's fun and it's crazy that somebody would even consider it. I know I think the idea that somebody's got two hundred humiliating. Doing this is kind of crazy. I mean if they were going to do it. They would just do it right. I mean you know they've just gotten to it and share it with everybody because there's no way they could do is a is a conventional gonNA move you release what gets me more than anything though <hes> Paul is right people have already pledged and for this so far the hundred fifty three million three hundred ninety nine thousand five hundred ninety pounds say that he's actually financially committed. They just let anybody bank details. You know they're just saying that. I mean we could bring up tomorrow and say I'll give four million doesn't mean you're GonNa do it and I I was having to look at that pledges. You can have a sign transcript. You can have your I was like you're asking me to give you money for nothing. It's putting nothing I think that it's always funds always wrought iron sequels and so far he's entertainment isn't it. I mean I remember back in buccaneers eighties when ambushed respect was being made that people were speculating as to which were were direction it was going to go in and everybody was like not Niba. A fat. Dude is going to turn out to be lightly. Scott died Taddeo guessing away was gonNA work out. You know I never get it wrong and I think that's part of the fun of this. This university is a fight that is such a rich places skull interesting pieces to play with and I think I'm all for that <hes> I think he's great that people half one with these characters and well you know for one thing you know pull when I when I started reading they SAV remained lobster. It actually brought a smile to my face and made me start laughing about it and house thinking Geno. That's and that's great that people to swap the book on the over thing really that the that I'm upset about lost. I won't ask them to remake it. It'd be nice but you know I'll let let's see a really really well. Written <hes> scraped like a really excellent like funds grades. Go drama go on China. I mean because you know I mean are numerous projects of the flounder that last minute and the you know like I love films in Bram Industry and ended up becoming animating so law action however and literally you can get like a tuna to our animated feature pull off in John F. Alike you know about you know two two hundred thousand dollars or something ridiculous so so it's almost nothing animated features so I would say if they were going to do that and that's the way today so I'm going to tweet that poll. I'm going to give two hundred thousand dollars like in two hundred million dollars in even then you know the the arguments do stands what law people saying is if you've got two hundred million dollars to waste on looking about to remake uniform that a lot of people think he's penalty all right then why not spend that money you know in a Nikos or something yeah so why come not him. Do you know when you go abroad and you see all these dodgy remake not remain the dodgy stalwarts toys that Code Star Force Yemane might come they don't to light star falls the the last ebbing by or something there there are a lot of movies that were made and taking that with a with a copyright lows of difference to follow what we've got like superman to like about week after CPA mine came out or <hes> yeah so it's possible to do string but shading for is that they're looking for something that society is. Maybe it's just to me. She's like yeah this. There's no way anybody which with salt would blade two hundred million dollars on this united does it. The only way this could ever happen is if there's an eccentric multimillionaire that just wants to blow money. That's the only way it would ever happen. You know it's just like completely this just like you know but you know. I don't think that's the situation here. Seth Rogan was right Ghanim with it really yeah. That's says a remake. The Luster says I'll team produces offering took over the budget for our E. Make the last Jedi in order to save the Star Wars Universe. Seth Rogan Goes Yo. I'm very confused as to what you'll goalies here. You're literally want to spend two hundred million dollars remaking. The last Jedi or swan is giving you that money. I don't get it right. They've and of course they've just gone not just spend Invest Ryan the he's gone. Okay is someone actually investing this money and they go on saying yeah. The Guy Investors brought the endo suffragan goes so do you already have investors like you already got people to invest money with the hopes that Disney will let you make this which which there is no reason or stark oh president full yeah <hes> but the amount of re tweets re tweets. This is a little high dislike <music> sixty eight reads retweets yeah and six point seven k messages my God they will get into or get into it but what I want to know more than finger Paul right is that <hes> you posted on rebel force radios page your crawl nine and I was thinking blessed. Pope is trying to fix it is definitely split listeners who have probably not seen that post your idea for episode well first of all my way. Was this area so I did. It was just me messing about because I just thought yeah I'll be. I'll be fun to play with because I mean I think since I'm twits Tixx yourself a bit too seriously and it gets really light heavy like way too soon and I thought it'd be fun to just GonNa Throw Spicer in the works and I know Latin and <hes> yeah now. I'll just you know it's I. I think I think we will have our own head. Cannon <hes> the years you know people had thrown off as of about what the clone wars were about Illinois through the region trilogy numbers really knew what the school is. An offset wasn't till the prequels and Ogden stuff we had any. Any real understanding of what went down and for me. I'm just GONNA feel. <hes> you know th there's lots of wonderful stove in the sequel trilogy there there is lots and lots that splits release deep but ACCAN- Account Kona help me pull my job is designing movies and spent time with Dr Chan Chan through their projects and I've always been the convoy that that like you know I I never get into <hes> demarcation about what she would. Your module will come on you know I'll. I'm happy to plateau anything of often stepped into a story greet meetings and things like that and you don't be just because people thought it'd be fun to you know get some beach law days in the mix so for me. It's very hard to leave this to follow. You know it's just something that's fun to play with. So you know just thinking what would really freak people out would be you know if the whole thing turned out to be like Bob Ewing from Dallas in that Luke skywalker bikes have been asleep for five years yeah I can you imagine if they actually did that would never happen in a million years. Flakes guy will suddenly woke up at the store website nine and end up episodes seven and eight which is to dream and so I was thinking about like like you can have a he's. He's one of those things where it's like. <hes> I don't know if you know that story about once Thompson the voice but he the you know the the very plainly I did political cartoons and stuff and he was out with them. I'm sorry Ralph steadman the plate gloss I am he he was he was out <hes> wall time with with Ralph steadman and they saw this Yorke show up and it was this multimillionaire is a pro kind of show and they decided in a drunken can stupid that what they were going to do is we're going to go in a little dinky and they're going to spray graffiti on the outside of this guy's boat sign what they thought of him but when they went out they couldn't help but do a nice job of it so they they ended up. Doing this. Survey is that was really obviously donate and so they both got soon you know he and <hes> and Alabama law that you know it's like I don't have a little mess about but before now I really thought through so it was like it was nice. Things are just let thinking yeah. We really cool if you actually if he'd been in some kind of trance it's like a low of joy characters do gonNA go out with some vision quest and that the all of all of episode seven and eight which is not my lesson of how things might work out role than how did work out and <hes> I think my one of and more problems with with the show and to an extent I mean most of it but who used to fight 'em eight Hansa chip can look a lousy dad and they laugh layer and stuff. I think that's Kinda sad that I kind of wounded. They're happy end in you know I think it would have be nice if that mashed together. Yeah didn't just tear them up off the second been interesting <hes> and <hes> you know. I really did hope that I kids and you know that everything was kind of <hes> out for them. You know N._F._l.. I felt a lot didn't need to be withdrawn awards. You know so so yeah I was just playing around with that and then <hes> you know <hes> just kind of thinking it would be it would be it would be fun if if there was a big bad that was comparable to Dolph Ada and so I was just saying that thrown basically comes back but I'm not that big a fan of throwing the I would let that happen in the movies or seventy four so it was good. It was really reacted in there will be no ooh yeah yeah into now. I might be wrong here but did you not once come up with a really good scenario now Rio for a purpose fat film I can complete credit for it because one of these things where it's just like a fill light you know once you dial into stores. I think any one of us can kind of see where where the Ryan is GonNa see we see wears heading and I think especially if you get really Jason Campbell as kind of obvious in the past the my will commonly take in the patterns of repeat instaflex Latin to me. Just Kinda felt like Boba fats tale was really <hes>. I just didn't enjoy the prequels character I felt like everything that was appealing about. Him is a is a personality was taken away because I think one of the reasons we'll vet school in the first place which is purely the fact that you were so mysterious. We knew nothing about him that we we we had while who get you know no matter how complex phase now you know that it's just taking away what was the appeal of character initially at least you know so for me. It was like well the the way they go to Mike Got Character into something. Cool again is to have like have the have a lot to me or Morrison Sonning Abo- some way you know with these bubba fat gear on or <hes> <hes> oh Daniel <hes> standing <hes> you know and then somebody walks into frame it actually is they shoot him in the back of the head and take the helmet and always gay and then and then I would assess it between the trilogy's so that what's happened. There is that the buffet in the prequels used to tell a different person simple one in the original trilogy and <hes> I mean I got me more flames. He couldn't believe it James. I mean people some people ally yes alleluia another people rely how day you rain at George to idea and it should be you know New Zealand actor and lovable but for me I was like I was really annoyed that they changed original trilogy and change the voice and everything it was like that was that was my main problem with it was like don't go changing this film that we've we with familiarly for over a decade it just to Feign we will eat now. Decided is is the way you want a guy so so for me. Yeah I felt like that was the thing and then there was removed the word rooms afoot that that was potentially the kind of the Econo- pathway they were going to take and and you know I'm Gabby so you know I can remember you know talking to feed some of Powell's early experiments from thinking facts lovely GonNa fill through Giannis whispers he had the hey. That's the day I think anybody. That really is still really sorry I into anybody. That really thinks about all day because that's not really where I'm coming from any anybody. That's GONNA familiar with the troops in the whitest of Numa the guy who's which I think would you know would would have come up with this idea and that Dr Price. It's not some in this kind of unique to me. I think anybody any Roya. That's looking to reclaim that mystery. I think that's the always way guys killing going. You know I mean nothing. I think it's kind of obvious but <hes> so the first thing I did want to put that stuff out. It was like if anybody WHO's watching. I'm not interested in seeing you at all by anything. You like. You know too little too. Brenda would never do that so if I tried on the territory of anybody hey this developing. Something is a want to spoil them doing something that much volume I and you have to watch that they used to ask because they have to that add the they have to be careful what they read you know at least people weren't even look at the Internet just in case get sued for poaching. Get 'cause <hes> free of in the Solo Mark Tin wasn't that song about the postage no way yet the the the word Solo and Lando Window and apparently they were exactly the same use for Sony it used for music <hes> publicity and the rely wealth they said or no snuffy likable yeah walls you could definitely tell Aldo was they have looked at eight on copyright did lockout in the collisions with thing but but yeah I mean it's tricky and on average looking guy yeah you know they went to an agency persona off. You know this stuff is done outside of Yontef. He can't control and push some of these places. You know you're going to get some twenty year. Old designers wicked on something that'd been on a Friday and you know they might be <hes> they might be struggling for only inspired by something. I mean this kind of stuff contribute. If you don't care for you know like you can drop into design and cannot think well we still he but we'll take it somewhere different and then so many guys yet we'll go without why <hes> it's anybody's guess what happened yet did seem super similar didn't it. He added Butts at you. Know what you're saying about some about your idea for Bobo. I remember reading <hes> A book. A It was canceled a book and I think it was scoundrels by Timothy Zone right now there was a guy you would hide him for a job and literally a you familiar with the book Yeah Yeah Yeah Right the end it turned out to be by et Roy Roy. Andy put on the helmet unless I read it wrote but and I was like wow I did not realize that that was a fantastic story now so when when I heard that your idea is wonderful cardio will make sense the universe is committed over these things are going to happen and then it you know so your idea like you say you know your idea for episode nine. I reckon people are there people that are not bad idea yeah without pluralism. I've I've had a lot more ideas by episode on than that. I'm going to continue some why freaky stuff it. Lying is slamming one of the things always thinking of you know one of the things about about <hes> <hes> Kylo Ren or can I found disappointing his it allow. Adam driver's performance was fantastic and found him probably one of the best things about last year was really mesmerized and he's intensity that brings to the ball is oh yeah. His coin is called amazing at the same time. I don't feel like that Kylie really carries. The same white is the doll federal palpitation unite and I would have liked to have seen them do something really crave to to make that work somehow and <hes> one of the ideas I thought would be fun was thought they would have been nice if the gone for more of a kind of like Kylo is a crazy can of darth vader like just zeal like a complete blay obsessive and push and push and push it until the guys like as extreme as it could be intimidate meanest fate of homeboy and <hes> I would you know because of that scene we where where smoke is gonNA mocking him for where the mask inst- of lower thinking yeah kind of is it silly when you think about it you know that he wears a mask. Nick is not lucky needs to and then you know that took me to a place where his thinking what if the guy was such a huge vader fan that he feel I'm GonNa fall in this guy's footsteps kristaps. I'M GONNA walk through fire and he literally decides to walk through lava just to make himself more live aid so we so crazy he actually burns himself a point where he needs to wear the suit and then every and then every time um you seem in the seat you're now. That's a guy that's just completely insane. Look he's wearing an iron lung because he decided to burn himself that nearly to that and I mean it's it's sick but it's it's no darker than what we saw in Bosnia Dave Engines to the south but I mean I've told me say me think like he's not going to do is we're GonNa do then. He actually steps out walk through law or are you just oh my God look at what goes day unite unlike all just to follow in his grandfather's footsteps amaze pretty messed up. If somebody wants us into self modification yeah 'cause that's a real thing nipple. Do People feel like they need to Lop off an arm or leg to make him physically change himself he wants to be somebody do so concept artwork on that he wants to be somebody. Different isn't it isn't just WANNA change wants to remake himself so that was an interesting day and then another holiday that thought it'd be fun would was when it came to Luke Luke arriving on Acti- where things I found a little bit disappointed about that was how small the oil in wars and how the tills going to dominate tell them and I feel like why why would like to see is if we saw gonna fly in his x wing in flashback over uh over the island and then he just kept going and you see the till people could look at him like whizzy guide and then you find this enormous <hes> it's GonNa Force temple buried in the ocean so like a joint pyramid the ICAN imagine leaks go will convene occupied inside the place like twenty s this so much of it. It's GonNa take twenty years to get round the whole thing. An inside is nothing but what generally what history this this them books and scrolls and artifacts the facts and weapons and all kinds of things that you just saying we don't know what any of this to face and league basically chooses to stay there and learn for twenty years so when he finally came out and returned to the fold he could actually change things zip because he's literally spent twenty years to be a Tofa more unusual geno with other seen so by the last scene of the last year I the God could have been flying through the air. It could have been lifting walk as it will one hang the IT. He could have been doing anything because the guy the guy is you spend all his time between the two trilogies like most of that time just Lynn Abbey. Why are you not write these down? Why are you not submitting scripts? That's you just made me feel they might do like at the end of the thing I was thinking was Lizzie went Elias going down you know down look at the end of the movie and she's going to free me sad and wondering where Luke as an audit found him show say on leaks go Crumley to rescue said the Cray Lancine with those two together is the same as the first seen those other than how go out and kick some ass with all my yeah but the risks one seen in the last Jedi away says what did you want me to do you go on there and swap them with a hat but I was like yeah yeah yeah and then the other thing I wanted to do another thing that really kind of pope fully formed into my head was I remember reading about Ryan <hes> spending time with Mock Oh come on Carrie Fisher and chanted them about what they were into and what their thing was and was not interested in that he's getting their input for the script on one window and the first thing that popped into my head was lead by Karen Marker Huge Animal Lovers right they we look what love dogs yeah they're big into the Dougie's and <hes> it's interesting and then all of a sessile the Crystal Fox is not put together and I was thinking what if like raw the Knob in Kerry can of lot cloth respond to Mary poppins what if like at the end of the movie now Luke had actually gone to fight Kyle and despite his you know he's amazing new powers going on this island and Wallaby corliss still begins to get the better of him right just because the age gap Ann Inaba l look you know he's anger and then you might just get luke on the flu a while I would have lots of sane was have Lacombe out to rescue luke because you know she's got four. That's traditionally. She's been the one that is quite capable. Saving South have come out from the base on on crying and just reach out let she's using the force and from behind a a pack of those Crystal Fox's just rush out from behind during attack Kylo drag him off Luke <music> so lucas a chance to get away and basically Princess Leia is leading a pack of dogs that she's she's using the force to control this dog. Pack is thought it'd be great. It'd be great adverse of us. The full Snow White. It's really empowering but it would be something that they can actually do now. Being enormously challenging to carries an actress getting up there in years so and then it seems the peach mind the idea of princess lay with his pocket crystal dogs why on her side asserted be so cool to see the Halava I Juno I add a scene that was fully formed in my mind right for for the last night and the scene where leg as blasted out to the bridge right what I want. My mind is set to me. She feels Kylo is ready to shoot the bridge if she feels as it plays out but no one takes his finger off and the the tie fighters shoot <hes> she says it she turns around and just as the bulkhead gets blown away she puts arounds out and uses the force to bring the Bulkhead Bank and hold it off then the that's Akbar and the rest can escape noise then she reaches behind one dow keeping you know them bulk at together holds onto to the side. Let's it go so the bulk has blown away and then she saw drags the south back into the N._F._l.. Can Schultz boom. That's how wanted ov garlic hold alike it now. The only thing I'd say about is really. That's a real us at top top notch Uber powerful Geno thing today that I'm not sure she said that more training but I think it's a coup is definitely cooler than what we go thing but I mean there were so many little moments where I just kind of fool it would have been you know it would have been nice if they see it would have been nice if Thi- in I'm sure that their lives fans outta that kind of thinking shoot up you know you go you go you know they go see you went in with your around solutions about what it would be thing I would say about lie as opping gown in with assumptions about these movies since nineteen seventy nine fellow at ninety nine whenever it was am by came out you know <hes> hasn't stopped me from enjoying the babies in Iowa cowboys been able to just kind of enjoy what was given me like over my own dot as you know but yeah sorry it sits. It's nor I mean it's fun to explore exploitative tier. I mean I just you know I think we wanted to to <hes> to to be more than last yeah. I don't want him to die. I just you know I'll we'll forgive the lush jet I if the next film he actually turns up somewhere so so he's transitioned into the forms then back out of it now the main because he journey wasn't done. I don't want it to be a force goes because I want him to be a real person but the the go down that's why does it strange. I mean because United States Hall to know where they're going to go because this is science fiction. You know what I mean. It could go anywhere. I mean one of the things I thought would really you know I was thinking okay. If up so knowing came out how much of my issues with website I want you know could be dealt with one of the first things I feel you know because while yet will these poems with apply and in the Rhine Insta- flatow Finke inspectable but you know obviously there are people out there will most definitely speak me on it <hes> but you know more than anything is just about the way that Luke skywalker restraint his character and <hes> the IDA issue with an enough. I think <hes> in office some vodka bought the obviously Mokammel felt felt exactly the same way about an eight clearly did not like it went and <hes> I'm deaf Lane Komo but I think <hes> so I was thinking like you know when they could do one of the things I thought would be constructive was if <hes> <hes> somehow they established the <hes> smoke with a wheel renowned. It's no can kind of control people's minds to an extended Isabel. He's the droid you're looking for a very powerful. It was much more I mean the fact that he can kind of you know get get Ryan and <hes> and <hes> Carlo Force China and all kinds of stuff that so snacks dairy in so you think it is conceivable that it's not good and saw <hes> leaks head. You know the basically it was him making. Angelique behave out of character and bay block person that all of his were uncomfortable with saying as as Luke skywalker that familiar with and the reason that he's different is because it no hymns noting Saudis head making him faithful making him beyond the only oil and making him think a time for Jetta end is nigh and Blah Blah Blah but maybe that's not Luca tool maybe that she snow play mind games with him and making him confused about situation that would would help me along. If if on some level we found now that's not was messing with with Luke's head you know that would that would go a long way to fix it <hes> and then I think you know it would have been. I still don't understand why they didn't leave a big gap between the two the not movies because I think that was the largest problem for me because I loved Ryan the Post Watkins but and this one was lying really she seemed she seemed to get powerful pretty fast. You know you just made me wish that you wrote Star Wars now. Oh God I it would be really good ideas for style and a ton of old droids. Listen to them talk one of the one <hes> olden solve like contracted in two more films. Do you think the public over that I'd like him to go to proced- wishing for the case of planet <hes> me too. I mean I mean certainly not looking at the guy to is it. I mean you know I always maybe to look as though he's probably GonNa make a loss cinema <hes> I I mean it's astonishingly life figure for sallow and I think it's so sad for them. Because it's been denies such good work in his movie I mean it was well written while before mode right Ted I mean the whole thing from the design was wonderful. I just love this. Maybe Book <hes> you know I think I think that the people you <hes> it looks film. Have <hes> obviously there are small bunch and I think that the GonNa take the Roy lessons from this wishes. Basically maybe we need to be more careful first and foremost about one inch released in four-ball S._M._U.. The movies <hes> <hes>. I don't think that they're going to look this Kinda. Go Arcade. We've got problem with spin on film and <hes> it is one of these things where there is a loss of a lower we talked on the net and I think what my feeling immediately upon sane spoiler alert small and Sal I was there's no way that catch us and brought into this Fran you the reason than to prepare the average filmgoer <hes> to the inevitable fact that more probably gonNA show up and it can be movies of big bat so in Yano and I was seeing him in rebels and we've kind of had that story by thank you know these things are assets and I think like mall is too big assets live on the table just because we saw him and again on I made sure I think if I want to bring him into a movie they're going to bring them into a movie. I think the only thing about them that about mall was that <hes> a couple of my friends who had seen Solo said. Is this a prequel before yeah. No no no no says the acid all this is a big thing that happens in clients underlying what's the clone wars Roy man role. I mean what they they will star wars but if only seen the movies Roy they've not into seeing any of the you know the T._v.. Shows I mean it's because he's not central central to the PLO sofala. I think people can Rodman Pink people aren't familiar can guy what and then light they'll find out when because we'll be curious about it or get mentioned on the bureau you know it's not going to destroy the the filmmaking experience I mean I I kinda felt like you know as took an F._d._a.. Desanto our fellow eighteen member and and I'm Jay was saying that he felt as though they almost missed a beat enor- setting the open cellar the first of extra gene I <hes> and just spun out for people that there's like an under will trilogy paps. Doing you know number two might be Bubba fat century said I I'll I maybe would be mostly sallow unite this the second one would be Selo on Baba and then the third one might being Jabber Sallai in because we obviously we can't will not the way drops aspires to four two four two soon in the in in the event because otherwise it's like jazz for ten years before the original movies which is Mike Low Sense and I think he's probably Roy. I think that would have been the way to to spin it Abaci Baba centric silo maybe Naba Jabba centric Sulaymaniyah but now <hes> i. I really don't know if we're going to get I mean you know I think I can sit there and kind of look at this film and coming. I've always films amazing. The BLU ray sales the reef and hope hope everybody downloads boys at and <hes> supports it because I think it's a great film and I I would love to see two more of these. At least I think I think the great and I'll feel the same when you do James About as nothing silo and and rogue one so far my to my to leave and go so we can just to you know I think it was a great soap. Yeah came slot weapons it later on of the secrets of Bladerunner <hes> I thought I was crack in film yeah I I would have put money that being a blockbuster and Dionne knew that wasn't going to make money I mean I didn't know it. Literally fell into the Saint Chooses. The original is becoming classic is Yeah I am because I've I've got it straight out. I was like that because some of the effects affectionate accessibility in Three D. as well were absolutely amazing. You know that scene where the Hologram is with the solve mixed him with prostitutes something so she's top was just mind-boggling now they did does that. I'm Wow yes web soon S._A._G.. Is absolutely beautiful. It is I mean Roger Deakins Zinnemann reasons to go see that film. My Body got the Oscar for about out time go outside and and Harrison Ford was acing that yeah I mean it was interesting. He destroys by machine all stiffen the poed unite like at the end when we sign is when you think about as crazy as Goanese seventies kind of tune upon sat five o'clock in Immonen ready and raring to go sit in a portable war earn fi in in a way machine and just tell for that I mean let's just bet I joined that got me to finish. I'm going to be easy and you seventeen. Unless you ought is now is nice. Okay nothing Harrison's <hes> arisons go at least one will more indie moving lifting him. I think he's he's got the the the the nuts today in the ass. By the the whistle that taught the did the lunch at saw the false awakens so so we could do in Indiana Jones film boats you know the I think he you know if they set him. Would you actually been in another star wars film out that you were going to the air not a main. I'll think because donate I would have done it. Yeah I mean I'd have lots of seeing you know. Look I mean all the John James Kirk wholesale show even that was nothing like the movies you know education kinda little shock Harrison. Yes I did yes it did because he had the big bid because if I remember Riley he was filming the fugitive when he film. That's that's an episode. That's why he's got the big bed while I may not ought to seen Harrison can may maybe Harrison and billy lead you can have opened the movie of the bar or something you know chataway by all terms I think that would have been out would have been nice which probably expensive and probably would have if they could do that. You know if they could bring it'd be like a prequel of course but have Harrison Ford from on the savage for the for the Falcon bring him back. I mean amend during that reminiscent about and <hes> something similar happened back in the day I I remember <hes> took your friend about <hes> one of the things I thought would have been flown in in young Jones movies. If <hes> you know you you open and <hes> these some archaeological theological dig right digging away in the digging Hawaiian eventually somebody goes to Jane's comes up and looks and as a fossil oyster of what he can with a lightsaber knit people streams while if did you ever seen that <hes> mini story Okun was great. That's a Yeti was chewy and and the foul can was CRA- full glaze it was great. I honestly wished that somebody in the fan. Film community would go on board and so it would have been talking about this phase. I couldn't stand the cynicism of people inside inside the company when it comes to GonNa say this is what would make great always. Maybe another thing the tendency is to Kinda Guy. WHOA yeah you people don't Storyteller Zoe no not really knowing what's going to work as a movie and blow <hes> but same thing Tom I think they need to not we saw the fight that predominantly now you know a huge percentage of the crew the movies illegitimate real movies they found stick and <hes> yeah there are people out there? That won't qualify to you know get get hey craig but there are plenty of funds to really really good is I think it's two years so I've just go well so yeah. WE'RE NOT STORY WRITERS WITH KOMO couple couple good scenes. Thanks so I know what you're talking about and see it. I have I ever noted I think would be would make great T._v.. Show about anything that guy that just because it'd be too expensive but <hes> I'm a huge fan of the tell us the generally combing strike from from Aachen annoys <hes> the CIRRUS also will be cool credit sequence would be like a cave <hes> with a young Pantheon have been led to the cave Roy but torchlight and so there's a Jedi master Napata again the lead you know got weaving even into Natalie's caves just bought Feilai and on the wall which is thought to seek an drawings on the walls then slowly start to realize that these during the pictures the ereck annoys he kinda got thinking I lot face I think and I thought spy ship I think in our this I think thank gradually opens up an iota sitting there in front of his master is always an creature and his masters in a trance. He's telling stories while Iota Royse the stories down right and you look all over the walls and you you see pictures of Luke Skywalker he pitches the people from rogue warns. He pitches of all these various characters from centuries of Paul and basically will is is this guy is is reciting the entire history and future history of the generally like from from somewhere post rants and these drawings a lot these can scratching joins is done in this trance so and then the show would basically be take your pick. I obey story from any era in past past present or future you could you could dip into the republic in the original trilogy or the Sequel Year until any store you like. I think the reason that's probably impractical story. Tell is continuity minefield and <hes> so sea expensive because every week it would be something different sounds like Hinson storytime yeah exactly yeah get on it will get. You're making me excited for it anyway. What we'll do is we'll leave it right? There Bryan an absolutely fantastic show and it was great sue. Thanks not about everything about you know what I mean. And where can our listeners find you well. You can check out rubbish. Radio will live a twitter and on facebook or you can find me on twitter myself. I pull R. M. As in Ralph mcquarry <hes> you can follow me then we chat me book me on Maude as stupid and <hes> and <hes> yeah that's that's probably the easiest way to reach out to me as great an obviously there's always influences which she's very irregular. Show the idea of giving Mike from before try this all about the things that inspired Stolz and the House Doors Continues Tins Barzel Bicycle Co.. Well thank you for coming on the show Paul. Thanks names like I say twelve hundred comes on the show the an open door for you to come back anytime you know well. That was a great interview by Pope by many yes. He really does talk really a long time. You should see the unedited version. It is long long long long but for now it's the end of the show and he's happiness having you wanted and just talk wools and talking to track fantastic food like your hair with this permanently. That's not so why you could blow you got said lie dot for the future. You know what what's coming up soon and is there anything criminal contracts that we need to get on board and have a look. We've got the podcasts open running NASA making tracks unfunded down on the of from down very very good. Thank you very much. Thank you <hes> so we've got the next episode of fencing under on Saturday and the next month contracts out and choose the die. Jimmy come out so trying to get into a good good rhythm without of every other week with with both episodes so that's that's rocking and rolling the Youtube still busy and buildings so you choose stuff coming on all the time and yeah it's just it's just building up towards the winter conventions now so we got another m._c._m.. Commute Open November and <hes> which would be before we now. We've got a few not to New York County October aside twenty ready for that see yeah so it's like saints. The year is just gone locking in a in a blink so it's it's flown by but it's good. It's good enough got a bit of royalties to former self self got some stuff to <hes> <hes> four star Trek Dot com just started <hes> as we speak today actually just started writing for a magazine Comic Sane which is a monthly comic sort of Review magazine so bits of that so looking forward to that something different yeah yeah. Yeah sounds like you are a busy busy than booths. That's that's very very true and I have got plenty as they are. I've now well in the middle of moving my youngest son into a bigger bedroom and then Amazon and my wife is picked up some beautiful solar system will pay that she's going to be Tamar 'cause she. Komo paper I come and dam and then he's little room and converted into a podcast in media room so uncle. It's a good plans. It's going to take some cash. <hes> it's almost math got say a buy me a coffee site where you can <hes> donate spa spent like Finley suddenly saw thing squinty old pounds so so skinny neck. It's lots of coffee yeah. It is Taiwan need the coughing so I've got that old planned and hopefully I'll have that done by the end of the year or so anyway mom. Where can our listeners find you? You can find me at <hes>. If you WANNA find just may on twitter. It's prefets P.. R. E. F. E. C.. T. underscore toying <hes> <hes> but generally fade so you can find me over there all at the website itself fans treks dot com or you can get me on email marquette front the trucks dot com so this a few few different places you can find this and always happy to talk and chat yeah the Go-to Post on strikes you. If you got one out that does everything now we I think book book logs instagram so we tend to post on instagram and that filters down yeah but then always tend to post on twitter Lisa steps in you can get an APP the posts on all of them but we haven't got we don't do that. I think after my I think so we to talk to <hes> yes yeah have you and especially when you're trying to full out for a new media the center and right so it's been absolutely pleasure as always a pleasure speaks and I'm of chance you like you say told the walls control the track meets coming told Trek rear as long as the best sounds like a plan. I liked chats about those. Do Launch talked about trek as well and I'm a big thing about technology within the look the ships and stuff on that's why even though discovery I think is not in the primate of US did look sweet. Oh It's if it and like you said that that forget that scene race or even have the original oyster these notice did it Khattab you. You'll make me well. 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