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SYMHC Classics: Paxton's Crystal Palace

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SYMHC Classics: Paxton's Crystal Palace

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Join the every friday where you can ask your most pressing questions and i will answer with specific advice and understanding. Listen to how. Can i help with dr gail saltz on the iheartradio app on apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Happy saturday this week we talked about. Andrew crosses fascinating and eccentric electricity experiments toward the end. We mentioned that he and his second wife took a trip to the great exposition of eighteen. Fifty one which was housed in paxton's crystal palace so naturally this seemed like a good time to bring back our episode on the crystal palace. That episode came out all the way back on august. Twenty first twenty thirteen at the end of that episode. We mentioned a twenty thirteen plan to rebuild it. That effort failed but as of two thousand eighteen developer hoped. It still might work out. One day i can only presume a pandemic put those plans on the back burner for some time. Yeah i was not able to find update more recently been twenty eighteen so we shall see enjoy. Welcome to stuff. You missed in history class. A production of i heart. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm holly. And i'm tracing wilson and today we're gonna talk about a famous piece of architecture and some these architecture seemed to have nothing but bad luck and today's topic could probably be filed under luck comma bad but it didn't start out that way. It's it's beginnings. Were quite lovely and pretty glorious and You know filled with success near the run of bad luck was definitely a a later. Part of its history. Yes when the building moved which is one of those things. That doesn't happen very often. But in this case It did and it was a gloriously beautiful structure which was called the crystal palace. And that's a name that's been attributed to many many buildings but this is kind of the crystal palace all capital letters. Yes so i will talk a little bit about the architect behind it. Who did not actually start out as an architect. Now in this this led to some concerns. Yes so it was sir. Joseph paxton He was in nineteen th century english botanist and then later an architect He designed Meant more towers and a famous hot house which was called the great stove at chatsworth And he also designed gardens and there is a A piece called bourgeois and aristocratic cultural encounters in garden art of fifteen fifty to eighteen fifty. In in that piece margaret flanders darby says that paxton quote is celebrated as the very definition of nineteenth century upward mobility because he started out humble right and ended up pretty celebrated. Yeah he was born on august third. Eighteen o one in bedfordshire to a farm family and when he was young he worked for the duke of devonshire as a gardener at chiswick gardens in eighteen twenty six he had cultivated this friendship with the duke and really impressed him with his horticultural walls. So at that point he was assigned to the post of superintendent of gardens. At the duke's estate in derbyshire known as chatsworth some of the elements of the garden zein's that he created there in what's called the classic mixed style still exist. And they're at chatsworth paxton designed and built a greenhouse for the. That's the one we referenced earlier that we just sometimes casually called the great stove because it was a hot house and he also created these really impressive fountains. He built a model village there He was very busy creating a lot of structures for the garden in the grounds and one of his greatest accomplishments was that he was able to keep this exotic lily. Cutting that he got from jonah just alive but thriving the leaves were allegedly twelve feet wide. So she can wrap your brain around that. There is a picture of his daughter sitting on one of them. That was just this amazing accomplishment considering that this was england which is not really where you think about these giant sort of exotic lilies growing And he had built this specialized house with a heated pool which was quite new to the idea of and he was an extremely clever man and he had this innate ability to solve problems in really creative ways but he also had an eye for the visual element because often these creative problem solving situations were also visually stunning in eighteen. Forty nine queen. Victoria's and prince albert who was also the president of the royal society of arts launched this plan to host an exhibition to showcase great britain's industrial achievements. He managed to get funding for the project. Really quickly most of that. Funding came from quick queen. Victoria and he planned a site for the expo at hyde park. So designers were asked to submit their ideas for a structure for the show to the industrial exhibition. Executive committee shows a little bit of a design contest And there were numerous challenges for architects to deal with. If they wanted to submit to this project i. This structure had to be constructed quickly. Second there were concerns about the destruction of elm trees in the park so the hope was that the design would accommodate those trees in some way third. The building had to be temporary. It would have to be removed from hyde park by a of june first eighteen fifty two and of course it also had to be big enough to accommodate all of the exhibitors that the committee wanted to attract as well as other foot traffic that they wanted to come and see the visitors. So that's kind of a tall order needed to be a temporary convention center basically which even with modern tech would be kind of tricky. I know it happens fright but then when you think back the early fifties it's really quite something to think about right. Joseph paxton submitted his idea for a glass and iron structure on june twentieth eighteen. The commission wanted him to address the concern over destroying the elm trees in the park and they requested that he revised his design include. This vaulted crosswise piece in the building which is called a transept and that would enclose the elm trees and prevent the need for them to be destroyed. He did this in. His design was accepted in part because his construction plan involved pieces that could be brought together in segments and installed in a modular production process. All the other submitted designs include involved. This large scale masonry. So they really were not practical for the very short timeframe they had to build the thing or the idea that they wanted to take it down later. Yeah it's almost like they got this idea of. They wanted to showcase their country's cultural history so a lot of them kind of went in the castle zone. And it's like no no. You're missing kind of part of the brief we need to. We need this to be quick up and down right well. I think if i had been in the meeting where they came up with this whole idea in the first place if like let's build a really big building but only for a very short amount of time and then we'll take it down. I would have just been like. Are you serious. Is this the best use of your time and resources well but You know paxton figured it out And because the most available glass dimension at the time was apparently ten inches by forty nine inches and the structure was going to need a lot of glass. That standard size was actually used as the basis for a lot of the entire design. There's actually a really really cool site That willing to in the show notes that breaks down how that geometry works and they've actually built out. Cg models of the various elements of the structure. You can kind of look at them in three d. and see how it all came together and how those glass pieces were used in those dimensions to create what became the crystal palace and as a side note. I feel like i should say the name. The crystal palace was not officially given by paxton. It kind of came up in the press as this is being discussed during the submission and acceptance process and the the prebuilt lead up to that Journalists started calling palace of crystalline. It kind of took the name accidentally. But then it got adopted officially. I wonder if that annoyed people who are really into glass. Maybe one really interesting challenge. That comes with building. A building made entirely of glass is the fact that glass just can't handle a huge water load in that configuration. So rain can be really dangerous. So they put in special gutters which of course were named pakistan gutters and those are designed to quickly carry water a way through this big gutter system and really. Just keep fluid from accumulating on the roof and crushing thing. Yeah it was very very efficient. It was almost like a tributary approach in reverse right where they would start very small and just lead into the progressively bigger gutter system will and if you think about like our office is pretty much the giant building walled in glass. Yeah those are. There's the vertical surfaces like the horizontal surfaces in our building. Our glass. yeah because it's t really hard to maintain at that scale especially safe and we'll get to the scale in a little bit when we talking about construction which will make you realize how mammoth this structure really was. I i was. I was unaware you During construction there was concern as you hinted. At earlier that paxton's lack of real architectural. Experience was really going to be a problem. He were like we. It's beautiful but those on know how to make buildings. He makes greenhouses And his area of expertise was hot houses so they were not see the kind of things that would be seeing the kind of foot traffic that the expo was expected to have and there was some very real fear meeting tracy again would be saying so everybody is talking about this information right now and rightly so but did you know that some of the first people to raise the alarm about the threat this information posts tar democracy and our communities or black women but their voices were largely ignored. Women's voices are constantly left out of the narrative. I'm bridget todd and on my podcast. There are no growth on the internet. I am cover all the ways. Women have shaped but it means to online from bogus covid cures to cunanan conspiracy. Colts disinformation disproportionately impacts women and communities of color. Not only are the ones most for also the ones trying to fight it on formed. A new limited series from there are no girls on the internet. Bull here from the women activists researchers and culture craters on the frontlines of the fight against this information. Listen to their girls on the internet on the iheartradio app apple podcast. Or wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes dropping january nineteenth. So do do all. These concerns that the expo was going to be housed in a structure that was designed by a gardener. Even though his experience had really moved way pass gardening at that point it was decided that all iron girders had to be tested before they can be installed and they also added cross bracing that were made of wood primarily as sort of a visual reassurance for visitors yeah it just looked sturdier. Yeah our just kind of fun in the building was actually put together. In less than eight months by two thousand men that are sometimes referred to in some Historical documents on it as unskilled laborers. Like basically these skilled workers had put together the modular pieces but then they were shipped to the site and it was almost like. I don't want to Demean it by saying like click together. But you really didn't have to have like a degree in engineering to see how they went together and to assemble those barn raising. It was pretty smartly designed in that regard barn raising or glass. Yes and the finnish dimensions of the structure or It was one thousand eight hundred and forty eight feet long which is about five hundred and sixty three meters. It was four hundred eight feet wide or one hundred and twenty four meters and one hundred and eight feet high which is about thirty three meters on including the galleries and the ground floor more than eight miles or thirteen. Kilometers of display tables. Were housed eight miles of display tables. This is where my mind really boggled. Well it's one of those things where Trying to kind of filter it through lake. My modern experience. I like this is kind of like dragging con or comecon was in an entirely glass building. That's never do that then for other reasons but when you think about it at that scale of like a huge convention center this main entirely glass you can't help but be a little one impressed at just the sheer brazenness of it and to pretty wowed by the engineering again by someone who people were kind of pooh-poohing zamir gardner. So yeah well. And to be fair. While the structure was definitely unique. An eye-catching there was one major flaw in its design and you could attribute that flaw directly to paxton's previous experience being a hothouse designer rather than an architect because the palace was designed like a giant hothouse. It basically worked like giant hot house so when you went inside it was basically an oven. They put in this rather elegantly designed louver system that allowed for ventilation and moved cool air from the base of the building up into the main halls. But as you may guess if you have ever been to a greenhouse in your life not really enough. No and i mean they had taken other precautions. They had the louver system had been built in to the design from almost the beginning and they hit even placed the boilerhouse which produced steam that powered all the exhibits in another building separate from the exhibit hall. Again he had thought about the heat. It just wasn't enough mitigate the problem because the sun shining through the glass still turned the place into an oven. Well and then when you fill it up with people exactly i mean even a fully modernized air conditioned building when filled up with people. Israel's temperature goes up very quickly and so to remedy these temperature issues. They put these large canvas tarps that were draped in between the roof ridges To offer some shade in the fabric draping actually ended up being a benefit in a couple other ways they cut down on glare and they created a more even softer lighting for the interior of the building And they had to of course as we mentioned. Glass not greet load-bearing There were so there were small designed into the seams of the drippings that let water pass through and go directly to the paxton gutters So the tarps wouldn't get too heavy for the glass. Wouldn't compromise the structure and again. It was pretty elegant solution to the whole problem. One other ingenious aspect of the structures designed was small gaps in between the would place in the floor so every evening after the crowd left they could just sweep the accumulated dirt from the day into the gaps for quick. Clean up because remember. It was a temporary building so while it had Like a column sort of base to it Like a foundation. It didn't have like a full slab foundation so they really could just kind of return the dirt back to the earth and they it was very smart and it when up on t- on schedule and opened on time. The exhibition opened to the public on may first of eighteen fifty one. Nearly fourteen thousand exhibitors were at the show and they featured such items as steam engines prosthetic legs chewing tobacco false teeth. Guns hydraulic presses and rubber goods. Made by goodyear exhibitors from france. The united states turkey russia and egypt attended and even the coin or diamond was on display. The expo ran until october eleventh of eighteen fifty one and there was a big closing ceremony on october fifteenth and everyone agreed that the show had been a huge success and it actually did turn a nice profit and more than six million visitors had attended during the time that the expo is open as a consequence of all of this success. Joseph paxton was knighted in that same year for his work on the project because the crystal palace had been such a success. It inspired other exhibitions to house. Their shows and glass conservatories. This included the cork exhibition of eighteen. Fifty to the new york city exposition of eighteen fifty three and the paris exhibition of eighteen. Fifty five as well as others so having a big glass exhibit hall was a thing. Now yeah because it was so cool and unique and Really beautiful it was cool and unique until everyone is doing it until it became hot and popular But once the expo was over paxton really yearn to preserve the exhibit hall. As did the public. I think there was a sense of. We really have to take it down now And while it did have to be moved from its spot in hyde park The good news was that because of its prefab design we could be reassembled elsewhere. There were a whole lot of battles along the way but paxton managed to set up the crystal palace company under a royal charter and with the help of a bunch of other wealthy gentlemen who were willing to fund the moving project and serve as its directors in august eighteen fifty to the reconstruction started on the crystal palace in its new home. This was sitting him hill which was in south east. London and the rebuilt palace opened in june of eighteen fifty. Four there were Some structural changes to it didn't go together exactly the way it had been for the expo but it was pretty close They've kind of switch some things around. I think to match the new footprint. It wasn't that they got to the end where to go. Have a piece leftover though. And in its new incarnation. The crystal palace became What many people call the world's first theme park it had more than two million visitors each year And they enjoyed educational exhibits. There were like museum style setups. There was a roller coaster. There there is live entertainment. There were cricket matches And they even put in a prehistoric dinosaur swamp which i kind of love And it's worth keeping in mind that the existence of dinosaurs while there had been some fossil record for a long time before that they really hit only put together the concept of what dinosaurs were a few decades before this so they were working from very early ideas of dinosaurs. The crystal palace park was even popular with royalty. Surprising queen victoria and prince. Albert visited on a regular basis and kings queens. Shaw's sultans in all kinds of other rulers from all over the world visited as well and as a random and very highly specific interest. Aside in eighteen seventy one. The crystal palace was actually home. To the world's first cat show An actually hosted many other subsequent shows of cats and other animals susa very popular place You know huge kind of cultural center in theme park right well actually was after the crystal palace started. Its long and unfortunate. Run of terrible luck. Yeah it had been such a great success as an exhibition hall and everyone really lauded its beauty and it's beautiful design but once it moved. It seemed like it's luck kind of ran out. It started to have one piece of bad fortune after another. And whether you want to attribute that to actual change in luck or just this will happen. When a thing is around a long time it will accumulate bad events. It really had some really rough ones that starts in eighteen sixty one. When high winds damaged the structure and then a few years after that five years after that on december thirtieth eighteen sixty six a fire destroyed the north end of the building. In a number of the natural history displays including the humber. Assyrian byzantine court indian enable galleries as well as the tropical department and they had sort of a small zoo happening at the time and several of the animals housed in that park. Zoo were also killed But due to funding issues only a portion of the destroyed building could be rebuilt. Guys this is mara from the reporter. Podcast new this week. A very special conversation with the original trendsetter herself paris hilton. The world's first social media star opens up a major way about undergoing ibm at the urging of kim kardashian and plans to start a family plus how does she feel about turning forty. She reveals her biggest beauty. Anti agency chris and the truth about whether she's ever tried cosmetic procedures. Listen to the trend reporter on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. Eighteen ninety two a hot air balloon accident at the park caused one fatality and in eighteen ninety and escaped elephant trampled park visitor. That's both tragic and crazy to me that there was an escaped elephant in a giant glass structure. While i think it wasn't in the glass structure it was in the bigger park z. Hark was really quite large structure was the centerpiece. But there were lots of other things going like. The dinosaur swamp was outside. The the building with the whole thing was considered to crystal palace as park. I see and then in nineteen eleven. The park actually declared bankruptcy even though it had been wildly popular And continued to be and had many visitors the cost of upkeep especially when they were having to do things like repair glass that was injured or that was damaged in wins. You know rebuild sections that had been lost in fire they just could not keep up with the expenses of rebuilding maintaining and prior to the bankruptcy in sort of a last ditch effort to drum up some cash. The palace had hosted what they called the festival of empire which coincided with george the fifths coronation and the pants and the displays did give the finances of the park a slight lift but it really was not enough to undo decades worth of fiscal strain so on september eleventh of nineteen eleven and announcement appeared in the time stating that the crystal palace would be sold at auction on november twenty eighth of that year and in the weeks after the announcement of flurry of uproar and crazy fiscal juggling started happening because people really did love it and they wanted to save it. Somehow on the ninth of november. The times ran the headline crystal palace. Saved so lord plymouth. Who was lord lieutenant of glamorgan and mayor of cardiff had arranged purchase the palace for two hundred and ten thousand pounds to try to keep the beloved park off of the auction block the lord mayor of london then set up a funds to purchase the property from lord plymouth and in nineteen thirteen. The crystal palace became a national property. Yeah lord plymouth sort of stepped in a he didn't actually want to become the owner of the park but he wanted to save it in a it was one of those like look. I will do the quick thing. We have to do to save the situation and bias. some time and that gave the lord mayor of land and time to be like. Let's now start to build up some money so we can take this financial strain off of you and give it to you. The people of the country in nineteen fourteen. A charitable trust was established under the ministry of education to keep the park in the historical building. Going and the trustees hired henry. James buckland as manager of the crystal palace. Buckland was so completely devoted to the park and the palace and his job that he even named one of his daughters crystal in its honor. Kind of lovely. It is during world war one. The crystal palace was closed to the public so it could be used as a training area for the royal naval division. The property was designated as the royal naval shore station. Hms victory six but soon became known as hms crystal palace and once they added ramped up and it got it. Reopened to the public for the next couple of decades buckland really worked tirelessly to restore the neglected park and work on continual improvements Because you know it had been falling into some disrepair prior to the auction. And so he was kind of making up for some loss of care but under his management it even started to turn a small profit again so just when things seemed to be going better. We actually had seemed to be going better for a little while. He's point on the night of november thirtieth nineteen thirty six. The crystal palace was almost entirely destroyed by a fire. According to a bbc article written on the history of the crystal palace there were eighty. Eight fire engines. Four hundred thirty eight fire officers and seven hundred and forty nine. Police officers called to the scene to try to fight the fire. But it wasn't enough. Only the tower survived and the cause of the blaze was never identified. Yeah there was a lot of speculation. Some people claimed it had to have been arson. But there are other instances where people are like. Hey it's a giant building full of delicate displays that have lots of glue and paper in them. This could have just naturally happened and it was so easy to spread as some sometimes unfortunately happens. Museums displays are often not always made to be really fire retardant and by nineteen thirty seven most of the ironwork of the once regal and now demolished crystal palace had actually been removed by scrap merchants Because at that point to rebuild the whole building they just did not have the finances for it during world war two the park which still existed even though the crystal palace had been destroyed. Yeah was closed to the public again and used as opposed for mental. Laura work for a while. The north tower was used to test dummy bombs. Yeah they would just drop him off the tower and test them kind of like dropping eggs kind of The south tower was dismantled over the course of the winter of nineteen forty to nineteen forty one and then on april sixteenth of nineteen forty one. The north tower was destroyed with explosives. According to some accounts the towers were considered too conspicuous and war strategists feared that they would be too easy for german bombers to spot. So here's a quote from buckland about The state of the park following all abyss the general devastation which we have suffered with lead one to suppose that are acres had been chosen as the field for the most realistic battle of the war. All our equipment stands seating and furniture have either been destroyed or removed by the military. Not an inch of mahogany has been left in the contents of the building's not a single shelf has been left in any cupboard brooklyn is really not very delighted with how the military returned his beloved park. I mean again. Remember that this man loved his work in his job. So i think he kind of felt like it had been used and abused a little bit And it should be noted that Buckland actually stayed on as manager there until he resigned in nineteen forty nine and nineteen forty five. A competition was announced for architects and town planners to submit layouts for a new crystal palace surroundings and while a winner was announced in may of nineteen forty six in june of that same year a letter to the joint committee on the part of the assessors indicated that while a prize had been awarded. The winning entry was not practical and they should have another competition. We didn't really find any evidence that that second competition never really took place. No it seems like there was a I'm not sure how much of it can be. Chalked up to like poor planning versus. They just didn't gues- the level of expertise in the entries that they had hoped for but it was sort of like a. We just had to pick the one that we thought was generally prettiest. But we can't make any of these Which is a pity. And then it never happened however the crystal palace park still remains. Now it's home to a concert boulders sportscenter there. There's pretty much all of the other accoutrements you'd expect in a park like play areas And the dinosaur court remains though and it was actually refurbish back which kind of love even though the dinosaurs are not really we recognize now as accurate said they were originally put together and design when we didn't know as much about dinosaurs as we do now so some of them would be a little silly if you look at them with A picky why do they have cavemen next to them I've seen pictures. And i didn't see any caveman. But there are like some downed animals and stuff. Lincoln snacks I would have a problem with caveman. no And in the years since henry buckland resign. There's been a steady ebb and flow of projects in the park There would be in any public space where you know people will make a bid to build a thing and sometimes it even gets Announced in the papers but then it never happens or small. Structures are built. One building was turned into a museum for the crystal palace but it continues however there is a a sort of new developments. Yeah in july of twenty thirteen which is basically just before. We're recording this. Yeah just a few weeks ago. It was announced that the chinese developer was working on plans to rebuild paxton's crystal palace although the mayor's office and bromley council representatives. Were pretty clear that the project was still in the very very early and theoretical stages. Yeah there have been other discussions that it was going to get rebuilt before. That didn't pan out so we'll see what happens. It'd be really neat if that could happen but We don't know we'll see we'll wait and see Ask sir joseph paxton the architect of the original crystal palace. He continued to design gardens and build structures hot houses and he actually became a member of parliament in eighteen fifty four and he held that post until his death in eighteen sixty five so he really did as we mentioned at the top of the podcasts. Kind of he's a great story of like rags to riches upward mobility extreme. I don't think it was quite that with his farm family but he really did kind of just through his own smarts and ingenuity rise to prominence with beautiful gigantic glass building absolutely gorgeous We'll have lots of links in show notes and many of them will have pictures of the crystal palace. It's so amazing. What a huge structure. It was just the size of it is really pretty overwhelming. I had imagined it as much smaller until looking at all of these pictures and the people so teeny. Yeah when you actually see some of the sketches and stuff of The elm trees that were encased in the people walking around in there and people on the on the upper levels you. It's almost startling. Data can't be that is to scale all right. It makes total sense that they would put in wooden supports that were much more to make it look sturdier because i probably would've been scared to go in there. Yeah but to the best of my knowledge. No incidents related to the safety of the structure ever happened during the expo. And how was some heavy traffic gas. Let's go paxton. You knew even though everyone doubted you much for joining us on this saturday since this episode is out of the archive if you heard an email address or facebook. Url or something similar over the course of the show. That could be obsolete now. Our current email address is history. Podcast at iheartradio dot com our old. How stuff works email address. No longer works. You can find us all over social media at missed in history and you can subscribe to our show on apple podcasts. Google podcasts the iheartradio app and wherever else. You listen to podcasts stuff. You missed in history. 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UN pavilion will feature in Dubai, at Arab worlds first global Expo

UN News

06:58 min | 1 year ago

UN pavilion will feature in Dubai, at Arab worlds first global Expo

"I'm an Akhara MOU with you and US London's Crystal Palace provided the venue for the first ever World Expo baking eighteen fifty one in next year the Airbridge in hosts the iconic global event for the first time which will include a United Nations pavilion the organization announced on Thursday and they're the team with people's the the. Yeah yeah yeah reach for the UN's Department of Global Communications who is leading the UN team at Expo. Twenty twenty he spoke to you and uses. Mayo coop the the shaping our future together the space will focus on the people the United Nations serve rather than distribution that's according to manocer director of.

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On the Trail of... Kate Bush. Plus beer, funerals, hangovers and red-headed drummers (S4, Ep2)

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On the Trail of... Kate Bush. Plus beer, funerals, hangovers and red-headed drummers (S4, Ep2)

"Eagles may saw but sauce don't get sucked into jet engines yeah it was the Royal Hobart Hospital which was a military hospital designed by Florence Nightingale and we'll I hospital for Herbert's Royal Herbert's excellent well we shall see you in that the sun is just coming out yeah and you just know that something good is slacker is that you can do whatever you want and what we want is a pint even is any eleven am probably didn't mention that yeah but in short go out London it's an APP that find venues to go out here in London the name right isn't it Hill in south London near an ancient would oxley would near seven drew castle the the Trang get a folly and near the Royal Herbert Welcome to another episode of the Deserter Up Coast Andreotti South I'm done at trader and more than anything we just want to have a good time and today strong clubs and I noticed interesting a pub zoom yes speaking of which could we usually well one of the great things about being a fully paid up uh-huh and also news of a sponsor for the show yes finally the commercial managers come good and we are pleased to welcome go out London on board as sponsor more namely and so for the first pop quiz of the episode where are we heading I today right well we are going to pop at the kind of at the bottom of a large as we all before we get into all things kate what have you been up to lately well I sadly I've been to see what happened what are we hobbies the one of the greatest and most influential singer songwriters of all time or the Bod of Broccoli the wedding war the L. 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Raise but he did get an unintended snigger particularly for me when she was talking about his latter years when he is he was given a rescue dog and east who rooster as Julian Cope's drummer in the ninety s he played them several albums and the tools Janine Coke described him as the uh-huh whatever Saint Julian says that's what Julian said yes one of the most eagles players in rock and roll and one of the best amazing me plus we've got all the news you need in a section we call the news news some bummed doses and a catch up of things we've been doing since last timofey leave the USA went up to your sugarcane well we had such a nice time yeah and in particular the Corner House quite a lot which was the Belgian bar which is a great spot for it hundred funeral in the green to say farewell to my friend and smoking associates RUSSA KOSPI some people way no some interesting characters at the funeral as you'd expect to southern rock and roll funeral to Gyco was introduced to his captain an I thought instinctively this is not a military man south in a boy and yeah what's the what's the the world's go buy from various balls as recommended by you yes. egoists player in enroll eagerly ego this ego he's beaten Yes yes it is it a word Article Brian Yes are you saying you don't want me to mention the dogging at your yeah they sort of an authentic air yes now is there with some Marcus we were sampling some great beers from local breweries including new one on me every day and she she said every day he would go dogging it may be wonder little about how we how we take you to encode places a funeral I have to say there's a lovely eulogy ray doubts by The lady at the crematorium rather than the family member where all the way we are at the Red Lion in on shooter's Hill would you guess that if you did one point yes one point they reminded me of Desert Ri- PA which was of course Berlin and so I had a few of those and came around smiling at some point on Tuesday probably because of his eyeliner and Nick Tattoo and I asked about him some of that that's captioned scarlet and well come to England in September it was all at the end of September strangely enough Gipsy Hill brewery room had one within I citizen indestructible and they said Yeah pretty much he's on his third lubar yeah it's very you don't have we all remember you know Yes yes and I ran into somebody at the very next day I'd worked with twenty years ago and it was one of those big how benefit concerts oh that was it yeah yeah it's Brian isn't it Vince Vince. That's of course I remember now Vince ever forget Tom obvious tune that Scottish bitter and twisted veteran twisted and okay from brewery where they've spelled whether second where the first a three rury with with the AH yeah you're the Crystal Palace supporter so yes how we've got to be remembered as a west London Crystal Palace anything so sitting there getting told off not flexing not coming enough etc when he started asking me about my drinking habits Oh yes yeah have you had I'm not really no no that's not quite how you described not fair enough we can be talking to Brian from her original Band Katie Bush back yes counsels perhaps didn't go from South East London grow up to conquer the music world and become one of the most love an influential stars in modern music where did she live when did she play and crucially are there any pubs along the way so you know it's not true but it's it's more true than I not more truthful than I normally ask with a medical professional into frigging October Fest uh-huh it's just a shame isn't it that October Fest of course will be verboten from the end of the month due to Brexit older uh-huh yes I think it's new guidelines asking how many units you have reminded me of government guidelines thinking that a city out on the Wiley Windy Moors someone you're willing here we are at East Wickham Farm Kate's family home is overgrown now there's lots of trees around the front nope not bloody rationing any what I'm saying is never go to the dentist sounded fine IMPA and there's one impinge but I think her in hell may have had the edge due to being held in the grounds of a German bilingual school I think several times let me think about it for me was that we could cheer on the cream of the world cycling and then we because of the time lag we act drinking beer perhaps had occasion to visit the dentist Elvis yes but I I need to it's not like a Hobby Katherine Bush was born in Bexley Heath Maternity Hospital on the thirtieth of July nineteen fifty eight and recall we We did not go through a magazine on the World Cycling Championships our went to take advantage of our research yes with the lady doctor but he also played the piano and composed songs and half brothers musical to I mean they recognized immediately that she was she had something to nate right let's get on occasion let's get onto the trade of Kate Bush the Queen of art rock the Princess of pop how where we'll be make money with milligrams and paper rounds one year we not Dr Bush's Housing Wickham Street and was invited in Bush's daughter who I think was about five habit to use a future yeah well I have noticed Last weekend a glut of October fests and thinking to myself I'm in the dentist it's not the confessional they how many and I said I said that's the way I was willing to double figures for my week anyway yeah new guidelines for dentists ask you about your drinking still has an open vantage point across East Wickham Open space and over trump's the cemetery says quite salubrious spot yeah in San for us and we were treated to an audience Kate Bush age five so yeah they were with encouraging and this is Eban Houses of thirties and forties a little bit later but of course once would have been open space in the House we'll have to just to remind us of the good old exactly they they I also not unrelated to around working class artist she wasn't no no that's fair and she went to Joseph's convent take from an early age when did you start writing songs I must've been eleven twelve I mean but that was very owned I can confirm that many of the girls that did indeed retain their on a despite my best efforts I narrowly missed out on girls and possibly marrying Kate Bush but their their school mottos recall was death before dishonor a had a very well accounts happy childhood hair Eastwood Confirm she lived with brothers and a musical childhood as well WAS IT GONNA say duty Oba dirty bastard yeah yeah it was here on the farm cates Musical talent blossomed tiled roof and the chimney snack Jimmy Stack still in the family isn't it it's still in the family yeah oh in Bush cates nephew right wouldn't it back into the bar with a with a pint of salt and watch ourselves on live TV cracking that put some sort of cage around it when she was higher fame and the family was still living there now it's foliage you can just see through the trees the runs a a forge that and this is the outbuildings and through the driveway and impounds quite substantial which she went onto spunk on mine an interpretive dance habits now these next Taylor yeah the landlord imagine being given a pint later they said well that's four of fourteen this week it's going to be some happy off three so that's what they've been too clever for me anyway there in India paired hours an absolute winner five point seven percent incredibly tense in boulder three songs properly from the fifty and that was when Kate was sixteen yeah sixteen he's recording a demo with David Gilmour in resident who said she wrote somewhere on the Internet My friend came from external I used to go Christmas caroling she lived around here he's got Christmas counting we always tried yeah put her in the studio good and she received in advance from a my when they liked the demos of three thousand been able to really put around and didn't she she was on the on the Joanna every all the time she was what time she was thirteen he'd written and home recorded more than fifty cents professional sort of Situation Timeline friends to here I could never do it in front of people the biggest hits including Babushka while and composting lets him on the end of clamp busting isn't it they seem going Yay oh hi Judith Kerr and and as as well as Uh Amazing Beers and pretzels verse had actual Germans the bomb that that could very well be the bond which we hear about later on went we but this is essentially where story starts isn't it for school yes that's right it was almost in the same school as he wasn't they did move to the school I went to the year after I left so yeah yeah and he's who passed at the time but he knew David Gilmour and pink floyd who liked it and after meeting her and a family put you in the studio to record uh-huh and she's just born for it yeah and a friend a friend of hers brothers Ricky Hopper to demo songs around various record the and she's a little bit is secret didn't she but at this point having having quit the school she cursor absolutely yeah I think what does that lovely story isn't that we read about from Cairo boozy on locally swimming baths boiler room and then here in the Bonn at the farm could be there right now we're looking at it one of the greatest albums of all time and it's working on wish you were here you still have time to listen to a tape plan fifteen year old girl from welling and and the band included king and Guitarist Brian Baath who's friends with a brother Patty and Brown of course we'll go on to contribute to several of our what is now well everyone seems the farm and four hundred year old building is in the heart of welling NASA rounded by Flotsam and talk to me it was a cowboy so which is normal and I was in coca suddenly switch earlier songs and that was on the kicking side I explained from Beckenham Oh and banking postcode of course is beyond or maybe you yet and she worked with the CPI the often she said yeah we went together at that college shouldn't we Yeah Chelsea now no not Chelsea there was a fireplace fire and Dole mended things clean the windows swept everything apple for floor dusty wondering heights yes we can look at some quite impressive role iron lecturing across the gate which says weathering heights the big time but before we get to that we're going to help forward a few years and head to nearby Elton where she lives uh-huh numerous hits and lifted until two thousand three Big Pile the money was over table we'll hear more from those guys later vic and Brian so yes she this was about it actually the lecturing was added by the subsequent owner. Yes Kate didn't do that no she didn't but I did discover that weathering heights and She met with victim Brian from well what would become the katy which ban they had their first rehearsals that the Greenwich often sheets made the big time pocket which property worth about sixty today she kept on the download at schools twenty people knew no was but you know a great summer I already ask studios which was one of the best time musicians played with Lou Reed and you're gonNA hand it to Dave Gilmour someone who's just from this is dessert and I think we have so down that I said Gee minded if you come to my parents house winning welling we're heading to to black heath on a maybe it's time for another uh-huh Yeah or club for sure yeah and didn't you say that it was for a while known locally as the lady Di yes I did he up is yes okay next we're going to a pulp on the heath Nia I started practicing with the Katie Bush bans am I wanted to the live experience and they they asked it to have gets live exports Ah stop because I'll get me for publishing a the next day right a big house but I mean if you if you want to do some shrieking this'll be a good house to do it in I mean we know she was barred from numerous yeah this is blackhawks slack heath and it was I think one of the original homes of the oldest recovery in the world was actually on the title deeds so she did do that until she's quite cute isn't it this is she moved here in nineteen eighty-five after five hours and then she thought up this song were in the house it said just applying this little rhythm on on the keyboards can can you make something sleep rolling in at this point I mean how many bedrooms got it was up for sale while ago wasn't it may be willing to on site but as quiet I will say this was that she introduced one or two some classic rock fleet with my sleep with trump and then Franck to coach from Utah dealt with us Andy Fraser taught based and then James Pumps for shrieking talkative which have we done enough for another point now I think it's what you wanted tonight on the garden so we might have to do something with it so we went out of there hadn't been used for years well here we are now on cooled road in ultimate the Muslims right near the palace one of the eight scalps We are audio equipment used to come in with Keeton a dad used to come in with pot come in the kitchen if you wanna go from there can we Brian anyway cake quit school and why wouldn't you know three grand see you doing that in your in your show later thinking of a pint of swift and a pint Oh you do yeah back in which pub we talking about watching for the NFC Leotard in some interpretive mime so yeah once again nukes moving complained bound local pub and get it shut down very annoying you know that feeling you get when you drink eight pints yeah then you get home and you finish the one that's in the fridge and then you have to go to work the next day possibly no coincidence that the ruling comes during October fest but Yes another reason why we should perhaps be staying with our European Brethren Ron delightful Garden of the Princess of Wales India Keith. Did you guess that at home if so award yourself one right okay before we get on a to Cape Cod to we just GonNa do a little bit of the Komo books Catholic Cornucopia in Catholic News which is a revelation to me in that row peo- precinct this is The news a German court has ruled the hangovers are officially an illness that has very go ahead isn't it the people yeah so that that's frustrating that campaigning to actually have the garden closed and much much smaller and lovely cinema and crucially bomb excellent work at food after the after constitution debacle yes unexpect- good things from them and that's opening October NASA club is a music as well and is having trouble renewing its license complaints complaints about the Mass Dean Street absolutely yes I did see something now to go take temporary disruptions to the normal state activity of the body leading timers nausea and headaches how you feel that that is not a hangover no it's an illness is that right yeah you ill up nights on Brian Lane that is being done by the people run for caught is Ben Clap and the month club all of which are great man you so you the news news news what's GonNa put-in-bay well I went to Catford recently to drop I mentioned it had a show we've only gone and got ourselves a sponsor is go out London an produced in partnership with the Taxi Service London Carrots God complaints about the massive new no courses notes the paper needed people complaining about sleep people regular listeners will know that we've had various doomed attemps at sponsorships a lot by the likes of anyway yeah search your APP store for go out London or visit got London Dot Org and we'll be turning a bit more about what it does in succeeding us or higher that's me of course I know that and the irony or a highly recommended by uses whichever way you and God knows we need to be more interesting yeah and what what's this pick you can't live music and November the sixteenth seventeenth that's Tap Peckham Z. There Berkeley brewery issue is kind of expanding their premises taking over place in astronauts sixteen th and seventeen yeah so get a flavor walks the camera shot might be like yeah definitely pop in there one of those days if you don't both yeah soon and as we mentioned briefly it's and allows you to find pubs and restaurants in your area that's one doing special office which would appear to us he's to cut it download it now see we think go out London one thing I'd like to see Vinnie wish I know I've mentioned to you before windows ten Harry's razors despite the fact that we're GonNa Shave and look lazy asses but as we go see this catastrophe good news very nice place to spend off noon excellent and worse news I heard that you could bet and per brix yeah well he doesn't come to pass them did you read about Campbell Shark under they've been struggling to find premises haven't they yeah because they were going to open Campbell aware and yeah and didn't get round way if you will ring you boss Yeah Yeah just drop his name out yeah we could do with some money oh talking of which is that where can you go dancing in the afternoon as frequently farms of wanting to sing it around four especially over long lunch and this name we're offering no especially Karaoke on the twenty four hour city mile took global unable to because of the building the building this is the beliefs and so now they're going to take over at the copper tap in Peckham it's a sad note another sad note another trump up here I know it's been a badminton yes yes that's right but yes he was once voted least likely to survive the sixties he's done very well I mean honestly I I well I'm saying if you're a venue and you do for Dos in the alternate I implore you to get yourself on this APP go out London Virginia south London dramas often mentioned rooster cosby right now he got his nickname rooster get eight now yeah yes chocolate right head panelist very near here she didn't date yet uh-huh oh magic thank you that's lovely thank you nice just lovely much appreciate had piano lessons for many years financed Sussex thing nineteen seventy two seventy six. I'm very proud of being macaw now we can get paralytic in a responsible way not no probably doesn't have about giveaway from the drum so perhaps and get back to kate okay allocate who took the good level candidate Pitcher Kate Yeah no worries cover of King of the mountain the and he went to school on Chew Hill where we were grandma. Yeah Yeah it's all fitting together very nicely this episode thanks for picking out on the industrial estate in hither Green Lee that way and taproom initiate which is gonNa make trips to screw fix interesting attack in Europe we should you can bring your boss hung over and you're being treated in the are we still doing that thing the woman from seventy food these unlike sort of sacred documents issues but take a picture and a little photocopy of enrollment on US Ginger Henry Gates name did you see the documentary where Mr Baker Village Grumpy uh so we're just on our way round to the Blockade Conservatoire of music with free nothing happened seventy four nothing is to again get her on but also you may have heard Ginger Baker he was an ultra boy was born in Lewisham and I had I think two possibly three lessons on Ukulele here now on my savy it says very clearly studied at the key twitter cafe and this is where Kate conservator of music so heading this is where Kate and her band is we're here played their first ever Gig I ever live appearance nineteen seventy seven nineteen seventy seven moments but he's a jazz drummer essentially well he was yeah he he did they didn't invent the drum solo and he certainly brought it from jazz to rock four piano lessons autumn term of one thousand nine hundred seventy nineteen seventy four hundred seventy four wasting one from nine hundred seventy six but she's piano I think that's disgusting they've let it become cutting grass that we need to get with it an and used to be called the rows of Li if you know its name currently then war yourself third pint of the day into first time you sound next pup the next pump which you may have guessed as t sound does he south yes he should've guessed won't here we are not only in the Rosa leap up now but on the actual stagich stage I feel like a star and here we go Chris by Chris Davis you'd look dude look pretty where Kate and the Katie Bush Burns played on this very state but once you're up there it's different you know you just forget about it because they're there to see you and you have to give it to them was a good reception yes it was I mean that because it causes Vinnie's nome de Plume and hair is where we're standing on now so we nineteen seventy seven cates pressing Katie Bush band and culminates in their first GIG here in the Anthony Hanson pricing so we can confirm it she paid for her lessons seventy can you think of it anyway we all the kate laid heifers Gig with people spent the Katie Bush ban. We're GONNA meet to those guys now yeah really yeah really rational approach was Neil and of course this the The title Mr Baker comes from the sign on his his driveway rise for grounding in musical theory is that right because you studied very conservator lower never mentioned it yes I did the public human with that yeah that was about two years ago in a pub inclusion and stay scared I really was I am nine am why not I've got a plaque on the wall apparently which we try and find and oh my outside they're going to get any imagine his case down towards Lee High Road now don't we let our guest it's a third pub quiz in a way isn't it because surprise when the puck issues took my shoes off the predecessor built and threw them in the lake as what Kate would have wanted kate did play violin as well right so she may as well have practice while in she said it was very easy uh-huh we used to nine and we might have a break the thing of it and kite they're awesome yeah any is before because I met patty broader policy in Maze Hill and He was standing on the stairs with a Mandolin nope gigs hair in particular were quite successful more quickly I believe you promised that you'd get twenty on the first night well this is dead he did introduce the world to the fucking rock drums so either I can't come that's on guitar with me so we started jamming and I went back to the fom is place this must have been nineteen sixty-nine smaller yeah yeah yeah that'd be fine on and did you guys get to meet her Roosevelt or now nine hundred thirty sound and we caught up with the original members Brian Boffin King off the Katie Bush band in this very yes yeah yeah so it must have been quite showed to grow exponentially yes audience and were you aware something magic a host and she developed some confidence quite quickly the company's tons when she was a stage is fantastic wow that was a really want to be in a band have to do it we have to learn so be able to save he's done very well yeah and it's Chris with giving birth to heavy metal he did he didn't he said cream Heavy at the version one story LIMBIC story that's my story but I've met on was a patty patty was mit musician technology during the colts building many doing it was the pump and we were totally unknown they were very good very respectful Davis kids yeah couple of atmosphere killing me and did not this young lady staring come up human kind of stages awesome you're the submarine okay being born to Mr Jauregui is double basis on a week later and make friends doubled tripled the landscape he couldn't move every week walk Julian Vices Julian binder down once I got embarrassed then from the wing I had to stop and listen to Glenn half dozen ten so if you want this ring I'm was set awesome to hold in their mind yeah she has to take up to go to Lindsey School Sula is is that is that says she kind of new not new to ban Jr new prime because we were there because of the want gallery and then trump thing on willing willie suit with a big trump amount stage Thompson Andrew Patio Anthony s come human double basis dots. John doesn't music so she hello this is X. Poon experience performing with the go-to US come to life a stepping stone. Yeah Yeah have would happen in the future so you we're GonNa do was come together the Beatles yeah a copy of anybody another possibly learn listeners and she did she loves them laws kept it and say okay when can we get together quick find out the rehearsal studios tip from of saying when you could use them stage yes I'm chasing around Orlando Play Simon Agent Yeah that's right yeah yeah yeah nude thank you very much okay so here we are in instruments Tagami was and the strange heard he goaded things on each guy not route so we will turned up what chuckle it was a bit about that Tanya Kate introduced in the dramatic side of singer Oh you did your family the Family Home Yeah Uh Patio was always the answer so what was big story watching this NU NU disco nightclub didn't foot one way system but we played a hotel in next to Liverpool Street station for some Taes Cape the what check off down the wall probably was there British swimming of availability that says seven to nine can go down there so we turned down is on the lookout for band is because she'd already had some interest at this point from billy myself been some music optimizing in an order blokes the stock to Sa- looked thought she was a stripper talk blanchet so let's contacts in London and King's Road to on the PUP staff screen foot problem sorry together with she's GP Capable of London lyrics thing because one of the that's in the basement of the the room parts along we sat or I think we were the ones who persuaded them they should business pedro and this is the famous thing that we will start off with a song Caitlyn's to come on with a floaty dresses connected I I was making a phone line just so happened about how big I was thinking yeah so we come to Y'all can do that off we go and she just came in Sermons Yep Talk Tyler we will have been worth so when she started introducing the doubts of the whole the songs of the Beatles and stoned whatever some solid sally gives us a ring yeah chip was the one that was full of sailors. y'All okay the famous for England played Scotland in Yeah so yeah my sis- we play that was very strange Bryson was a bit strange flat in Wickham Roads Broccoli where we stand now outside number forty four took a from Wickham after dinner research I set this Older pool first album was due for release in nineteen seventy eight and it was going to feature two tracks from the original three track demo nineteen seventy seven and she has self retails see recalls getting complaints from neighbors breaking hardly don't between her two brothers flats a little bit disappointed there's no plaque commemorating because this for me without the piano we might some together he's my partner and it was here that victim Brian who had from area it's the Mecca of our Kate Day is this is where she worked weathering heights yeah one night in March date in one particular night we were in Putney on the eve of the football match between Scotland in England the Scottish guys in there and all north shoveling all this place so ensuring the key that they did Kate did with David Gilmour including the man with a child in his eyes and the Saxophone Song Minnie. Both these songs were written for Capers fifteen would go to hang out after the shows and after rehearsals and As Victoria's kate with the Mojo Spike both I'm David go is credited as a producer of those trucks but before that you may recall weathering heights it's real time photo and I used to be whatever so I think we used to go the distance done here so the man they would just mad they had flags waving everywhere that no one could see the stage because all the guys who get enough on this stage putting their own around you and it was hard it's become one of the most influential office in in music history it's just interesting at this at this time not just hung so by this time kate had moved to singing and everyone was not enough on stage and Peyton sticks in your is it they were good people erupting around the UK for certain level of Folk I guess but vacate very much had tunnel vision about was released a single from the album and it was a hit and it may take the first woman to reach number one on the UK charts with a self-written surprising because she was playing all night with the window right she needs to be daring to the moon I just think she liked the moon coming up and you know that's Uh but before it was a hit as we heard from the From Brian earlier it was all hands to the pump wasn't it yeah yes she stayed true to her vision and then ninety seventy nine yeah and then suddenly during one of the songs we had to be Sir put the dry ice machine on gloves block of ice and I mean just spread so yeah wondering highs went to number one kicking side album followed also went number one it was released she got cold sign applying bothering I was there flatten whitcomb rose we sat around the radio came on on the moon good yeah and then I democracy cheap and you know a girl from South East London had gone from nothing to number one and go would go award winning music not yet not yet just you thank you very much to vic king and Brian Baath for talking to us about their memories of the original Katie Bush band indeed been at it for six years she signed it doesn't she and Elton John and even cliff Richard Roxy Music Yeah Holiday Studios in Greenwich and then she retired for thirty five years which is pretty much liked about its performance link from our podcast page when it's up well there we go this is just amazing to be here the Center Ah aren't rock and stay true to her influences at the time yeah and she'd been dry summarizing for a long time yeah yeah by the time she was seventy the person she was in the UK pianos my instrument. That's when I really play to write your songs on always with Kim I've never written a song the big tour the tour of life when they decided to this album and the following album and they rehearsed hi yes hello yes wondering arch Brockley spoons okay no special deals on this we'll have to settle for some brexit flavored lager and a couple of bottles of wealth champagne in fact the Katie Bush plans on touring now featuring the quite amazing sally-anne hearst on vocals we saw them it was her play dot com bonds gains every time anyone comes to the farm you mean she's in I beg your pardon that's awesome John from live performance for thirty five years but she's very deserter makes it very much like us except we didn't go on to release Grammy Award L. Live how long have we got half an hour I could make it going to be moved out in the eighties if you don't try you're gonNA find out Gordon lymphocyte if you want to catch them and I recommend you do is on the Kt Bush band dot Com and it's also on Brian Bath Dot com which will I stand just play have you had bad experiences yeah captured in pub- such because sometimes you get audiences that you can't see in line at the top of a mistake and and popcorn packed with stuff it's catering perhaps Kate Bush the hot yeah we Elton homecoming show it was fitted the Pope Theater and they're playing around the country so here we all now around the corner from where caked composed three nights at the Wykeham arms yeah difficult to believe that she wouldn't be there's no way I'm GonNa know even Virginia losing a pint pint pesos journey I believe so are you gonNA propose it why what does he see she's in I it's tedious task to ten minutes box but we assume got it down to seconds we then built so many we didn't know what to do them so we piled them up no one seemed to come from I wait in the wake of MOMS yeah yeah yeah then go to the Brady bunch springs in a way yes okay join us in half and hour for Dasa and what we call the scene ooh Nice isn't it yeah I know we we started applying an I not come onstage it'd be percent fuel eh fire alarm and then all pandemonium of Whiskey Boston's right at one another drink in okay in which to be fair we didn't then one day we were asked to build a flatbed built flat pack boxes in Damp Quite Rish shed for the evening shift when you arrive back at work just in time to knock off badly schenken another Well nautical oh I stationed nearby sign up crew Then whenever you bleep it goes off you have to let it down to the station I mean no one's GonNa stop you doing a huge pump elevated crossroads position we loved it often fared the worst originally overnight ready for the next day after day to become so queried is that we could knock out enough boxes to actually build a four would call so completely conceding us in aside we did this every day for the next month took us one hour to build the required causal framework of boxes after which we spend the rest of the smoking facts and playing cards Negoti head of the wicked MOMS close to three yeah so we we find out that go out London App which tells us that when yeah the pro awesome man who wrote that the US surgeon general says it cannabis is now three times stronger than it was in the ninety s you must have heard with nails and dead squirrels all surrounded by the pungent smell of boiled Brooklyn and being shouted at by men White Hat Sinisa we didn't how we were doing I bet you still in Syria looks at Berkeley them yeah and way just sitting around on the from Deck Doing Funchal it made me chuckle about them cannabis potency

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Part Two: The Rise And Fall (And Rise) of Arch-Grifter Jim Bakker

Behind the Bastards

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Part Two: The Rise And Fall (And Rise) of Arch-Grifter Jim Bakker

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We break down these timeless money truths as well as time Lee money information that you need to know to put yourself in a strong financial position making it easier to whether these uncertain times like we're currently experiencing, so listen to our show how to money on the iheartradio APP, apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. I, a podcast is returned Robert Evans, behind the bastards. Jim Baker part to. declutter. Guests, Hello. Mark! How are how are? Just wonderful. That's good. That's good. I I am experimenting with using less words the normal. In the hopes that will make me easier to understand. How's that going for you, buddy? Morley yeah poorly doesn't doesn't work well But? You know what was working great. In the nineteen eighties was Baker gripped fucking. He's really hitting it out of the Goddamn. Yeah Nineteen eighty-seven would prove to be the high point for Jim and Tammy Bakker's empire of you know whatever you WANNA call it. That year opened with PTO. Breaking ground on the Crystal Palace Ministry Center a hundred million dollar construction project. So that's a they have expanded quite a bit at this point Now. This is I'm sorry. Where where is this again? At the time? WHAT STAY HERITAGE USA? It's I think South Carolina South Carolina Okay Yeah so the the Crystal Palace Ministry center was supposed to be like the palace itself was a Gargantuan glass structure, nine, hundred and sixteen feet, long and four hundred and twenty feet wide. It was a full scale like representation of Victorian era building. From London. It would have a three hundred seat auditorium and a five thousand seat TV studio. Jim Bakker bragged to everyone who listened that when complete the Crystal Palace would be the largest church on Earth so that's. Wow Yeah by nineteen eighty six P. T., l. had more than twenty five hundred employees and revenue of more than one hundred twenty five million dollars per year. The Heritage USA theme park was hugely popular. More than six million people visited that year and again only Disneyland and Disneyworld were more popular so on the surface. It's not crazy that they would embark on one hundred million dollar construction projects that seems pretty easily within their means, and yet on the very day that ground was broken for the Crystal Palace Tammy Faye Bakker suffered a calamitous mental breakdown. Now. When it came to popularity outside of the Evangelical Christian Bubble Tammy Faye definitely outshone her husband, her heavy makeup, and regular, crying fits running down her face, where regular subjects for parody Bloom County made a lot of Tammy Faye Bakker jokes on that. Phil Hartmann did a yeah yeah. Yeah Yeah, he did a great Tammy Faye like she that she's definitely like the one who kinda cracked into the mainstream, the most right. But the hysterics were not like just something she did for the camera or anything like it was, she had serious emotional regulation problems in part as a result of the stress of running a business that was constantly on the edge of collapse because of financial crimes. They were committing That's not great for your. The you. It's not great and so on that January Day She had a mental breakdown, and as don hardest or the former PTO had a security later called quote. They left me in the house alone with Tammy, and that's when she started hallucinating and I couldn't believe. I'm there by myself with this lady and she'd taken her clothes off and Tammy didn't do that kind of stuff around me. We all knew she had some prescription drug problems, so she's is a bad breakdown and two months later. TAMMY's problem grew serious enough that she required treatment for chemical dependency. as it becomes the norm, the bakers took to the airwaves and recorded a whole very special episode about Tammy Faye's battle with drug abuse, and again this went over well with their audience, like the fact that Tammy had been abusing narcotics like didn't slow the donations down at all or make them any less bluffed by their. You see their faults and. And they want to help they. WanNa help Oprah problem exactly what didn't go over well with the audience was a blockbuster article in the Charlotte Observer published just days later, revealing the sordid details of the rape that Jim Bakker had committed on Jessica Hahn. So that comes out in eighty, seven two, and well, this is happening. The Observer continued to tear into Bakker's ministry for its flagrant misuse of funds. They published more than six hundred stories in nineteen, eighty, seven alone so they are six on here. They are fucking tearing into. The Charlotte Observer once. This stopped, and they put in the fucking groundwork. And they revealed this massive chain of fraudulent fundraising fake lifetime memberships incorrect tax exemptions based on its status nonprofit religious organization. It's revealed. The FCC actually launched an investigation into P.. T. L. Back in nineteen, seventy nine over three hundred thousand dollars in funds raised for missionary work overseas. That was spent on the theme park instead. It becomes clear that the theme park has been losing money for a while, because it's just so fucking expensive, and all of these things that he keeps adding to it or so ambitious so they're like raising money for other things than spending them on this theme park because fucking Jim Baker loves his stupid theme park. It's pretty cool. So. Jim Raise huge amounts of money for overseas ministries, and his followers donated that money in the hopes that he'd send out preachers and providing humanitarian aid to impoverished areas. Instead he routed millions of dollars of this money and pumped up his theme park. So the park blood millions a year much of gyms. Criminal Behavior is dedicated to plugging that hole in nineteen, eighty eight. He was indicted on eight counts of mail fraud, fifteen counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit fraud between this and the big reveal that Baker had spent another two hundred sixty five thousand dollars of church money bribing his rape victim. There was no way for Jim and Tammy to stay at the head of the PTR. Falls apart very quick so. We have found the line here though this is where it hits, right. So. That's good that there's a line. this. This proves to not be something that you can like. Get on TV and be like Hey foggin. This is what I did, and it's fine because I'm giving myself up to God that there is a line to how do that. Yeah or at least there what's? Our old friend Jerry Falwell sailed into the gap to take over the ministry and try to right the ship, and if he thought doing this would be an easy way to turn a dime, he was very very wrong. It quickly became clear that due to gyms, criminal mismanagement, the ministry owed nearly one hundred million dollars to various creditors and more than fifty five million dollars in back taxes follow resigned less than a year later, and accused Jim. Baker of being quote. Probably the greatest scab and the cancer on the face of Christianity in two thousand years of history, my God. There's some there genocides in there and. There's. There's a there's a good clip of follow just before all that where he they're like seventy million dollars in debt and he erased a goal. If they wanted to get twenty two million in a month, he would go down the walk down the water slide. Yes and they raised that money and he went down the slide in his suit. Yeah. It's amazing. Twenty two million dollars imagine asking people to do that. It's so it's so good. It's good and cool so. Jim Baker was quick to tell the New York Times that without a miracle of God. We will never minister again, but it was clear to every rational observer that he tammy just stepped back from the flaming wreckage of their ministry to wait out for the inherent forgiveness of the well meeting rooms. Who supported them? Alas, for Jim, he would have to weather a massive criminal trial before this could happen. Tammy Faye escaped indictment, and there's a great debate to this day as to how much she actually knew. It's probably fair to say. She was more or less than equal partner, and was fully aware of the enormous intercontinental scam that paid for her houseboats in for coats, but she escaped without legal consequences, and her husband was not so lucky their former. Former employees road on him pretty much instantly. Steve Nelson a p. l.. Employees who was responsible for the lifetime membership program testified in court that memberships had been deliberately oversold. The actor, portraying his boss and God to a court of law was more than the old man's constitution could take, and he collapsed on the stand as the court sketch artist later recalled. When he fainted, it was this silence and a voice from the audience came up and said Oh he's giving his life to God and Bakers Attorney called him up and said Jim Jim is if there's going to be a miracle, he can bring him back to life. Sounds like a fun court case. Good time. Nelson was not dead, and as the trial continued. Jim Bakker had a complete mental breakdown himself. The very next day he began hallucinating reporters outside the courtroom were insects his. His head of security recalled later that night. He was curled up underneath his attorneys couch. I think the weight of that trial in the weight of everything he had done good and bad just crushed him. Yeah. Yeah well. I would hope so. You. Think's GonNa Happen. So Baker was committed to a psychiatric ward in federal prison in the trial was put on hold for six days when things finally concluded on October Fifth Nineteen, eighty-nine Jim was found guilty on all twenty four counts and sentenced to forty five years in prison. He was also ordered to pay a half a million dollar fine. appealed, but the court withheld his conviction, they did grant him a sentence reduction hearing, though and drop those forty five years down to just eight, and he only actually served five being paroled in Nineteen ninety-four. So that's great. Five years steal millions of dollars rape a woman five years right right back in minimum. Security prison yeah. and His cellmate was Lyndon Larouche. Good. Boy, so I'll ask for Tim Tammy Faye was not a waiter. She filed for divorce while he was in the clink and married guy named Roe Messner, a contractor who helped to build heritage. USA Tammy knew how to pick him. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty six was convicted to twenty seven months in federal prison for bankruptcy fraud so. Weirdly Tammy Faye dies and I. Think Two thousand seven. She gets cancer, but she and her second act is actually kinda sweet like she becomes purely for purely ironic reasons, she becomes a gay icon because of her like makeup and everything like she seen as yeah like a lot of drag, queens and people like that will like want to emulate her makeup style is like so garish and out there and kitschy. My first exposure to her was when she was on that Vh. One reality show the surreal life. Yeah, remember that with Sherman Helmsley in the guy from smashmouth. It's amazing. Yeah. and She You know she'd said. That as had her husband about gay people and P.. T., L. and I don't think she ever like came out, and just like I was wrong, but she did state later in life that like when everything collapsed the only people who were there for her was the gay community because they right yeah. So That's interesting. I don't know what to say about Tammy Faye Bakker. She's an interesting person. So once he was out of minimum security prison Jim Baker wound up briefly in a halfway house before his fall from grace. He don't a fifty five foot houseboat fifty five thousand dollar Rolls, Royce a forty five thousand dollars Mercedes Benz along with numerous palatial mansions all around the world. Afterwards, he wound up living in a rented farmhouse in north. Carolina there Jim Begin to execute an epic plan to rebuild his empire. It started with the publication of his second. Titled! I was wrong, which is at least a better title than if I? Did it yeah true. Yeah He seemed to repudiate the Prosperity Gospel beliefs that had dominated his first ministry. He wrote I was appalled that I could have been so wrong and I was deeply grateful. That God had not struck me dead as a false prophet. So. That's interesting. The book was step one, but Jim was going to. achieve his goal, which was to just do the same thing he done before a second time He knew he was going to need the sell himself to a new community. A community open minded enough to forgive someone like him. He found this community in Los. Angeles California at a place called the international dream, center. And according to The Washington Post quote there he lived in a cramped and crumbling room with a son Jamie twenty two in received visiting reporters eager to chronicle his recovery. All the glowing articles about the new Jim, Baker mentioned his rough life in the ghetto, including the Kremlin raw and. Yeah, so jim throws himself on the mercy of the Black Evangelical Christian community. That's who goes to win. His chips are down and is surprising. Is it might seem? They took him in some of this had to do with the fact that as I stated PT, L. had been very popular with the black community in the baker had always been relatively good on racial issues so many of the folks that he reached out to in l., A. remembered him from their childhood. But as the post reporting continues, that's not the only reason he was accepted. Baker story temptation collapsed prison loss resonated with many poor black folks in l.. A. You know this is obviously gyms actual experience of crime in prison. Larry. Yeah, he was good at spinning it. They they at one point like when he was doing the revival tour, they interviewed a number of the folks who are in line to buy his book in La and I want to quote from that now. One of the MRS former cellmate at Jessop Nathaniel Mathis thirty, two now, working at a telephone company who showed up to wishes friend well I can relate so much to him how he was stripped of everything. Mathis says like Jim I lost everything. One hundred and ten percent, but the Lord works in the Lowest Valley's Lawrence drew in his friends are all black men in their twenty s just out of prison on drug, related or similar charges in four hours. They have to show up at a janitorial job for manpower for Jesus. They're halfway house alternative all hopeful that their lives will soon change and they looked back or for inspiration. Osha, all of us can relate to him. Says drew who has just paid twenty five dollars for Baker's book and waiting patiently to have it signed. He's the underdog, and that's what we are underdogs. He's real. He's very real, and now by which he means after the prison term. I think he can be more powerful than he ever was. Who? Yeah, that's. That's not what you'd guests right right? Right what what is going on there? What is like that mindset? I don't get it. Yeah, it's people. Just, like just. Ignoring exactly what he did is I mean just like obviously is like. Folks today are just exactly the same minded got whatever you know. He's fighting for US I. Guess I I don't know I don't understand it. Yeah I it's hard to understand. Some of it is just that like. As general rule, the the the Black Christian community is considered to be is is extremely forgiving. Right like like a number of prominent figures in the American history have after doing something bad like show up at like a black church, and giving a speech or something, and like you know done the the mea culpa there because it's kind of a good place to do it. and. There's a lot of complex reasons for that that I don't feel competent to get into, but it's like it is a trend particularly for like white people who do something really bad. Like I'm going to wipe this away by yeah, I don't know. The thing that happens. Yeah so, that's. Good. That's fun. Yeah, now one of the things ironically that helped Jim Baker in crafting his act to was the fact that he'd never been a very good preacher. In the theological sense, all of his sermons ideas were just cribbed from more original thinkers, people oral Roberts. It was hard for him to come with on his own, because Jimi dropped out of Bible, College. Never quite finished reading the Bible. and. It would seem to me that this would be a bad thing to reveal after you've spent thirty years as like a an expert on Christianity, but Baker leaned into the successfully, and he flipped it into a positive, because now he could start claiming that he'd learned the Bible in prison. And that like that taught him more about his faith than than Bible College and this is. This is how he learns. Prosperity Gospels wrong as well. He's in prison. He gets to really focus on the Bible for the first stipe. Amazing griff kits an amazing gripped. From The Washington Post he learned above all that the meek shall inherit the earth that has forty room, mansion and air conditioned Doghouse in twelve cars were part of an ungodly arrogant lifestyle. A realization he came to a few months after he was initially denied parole. I believe the Bible said above all God wants you to prosper well. When I went to prison, I began to study the Bible and I realize that. Jesus Christ didn't have anything good to say about money. He says in his sermon. He called money the deceitfulness of riches. He said Whoa unto the rich. And this plays really well to create a poor black people in L. A. and it's just. It's amazing that this is coming from this fucking guys mouth, but it it works. It's something else. I don't. I don't understand I. Don't know that I ever will. If guys like Jim, Baker are drifting on easy mode, or if he's like the fucking if he's just that good, it's impossible for me to really tell. But it works. Yes? Jim reinvents himself as a humble man preaching the word of God from the position of center. He talked about the little log cabin where he lived now, which was really a seventeen thousand square foot home lent to him by a wealthy follower. And he met a new wife to Lori. Beth Graham preacher well with the Harrowing History of abortion and drug abuse to give her the kind of art that really sells to the evangelical crowd, but her real main qualification in gyms is was the fact that she was the spitting image of his ex wife. Tammy only. She was seventeen years younger. and. It's worth noting that like his first wife Tammy second wife Lori that's not for nothing. Right, there's something going on there. And you know where else there's something going on. Where's that the products and services that support this podcast oh? 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Than Services I have to say but. That's a matter of interpretation much like the Bible. So with a stable base of supporters in California, Jim began to tour the nation once more, he built up his time in a cushy minimum security prison for massive fraud into a journey through the eye of the needle. The Washington Post reported on one sermon. He gave in Jericho city. He describes the exact moment of his a penny a story. He calls his day in the pit of hell speaking as if in a few state he recalls vague and spooky details, a door open a madman singing la La la at some point he looked down into the possessed is in the door locked behind him. He was either in the insane asylum solitary confinement. A man was dying. Dying in the next cell, a toilet was overflowing. I had lost the will to live. He tells the crowd I had slipped into a corner of Hell. As I was going insane voice cried out at the Split Second, I was leaving the world. It cried Jim I love you. At first he saw no one than a vision appeared at the door, a man with Brown skin and Brown eyes I didn't know angels or black. He says I didn't know. Fun At then. Skin there black. I. Didn't go that one right. Amazing. Amazing that this place. Not long after that speech, a wealthy swept in and donated twenty five million dollars to the gym and his new wife, Laura could build a new compound film. Their show from the makers instantly abandoned the flock debated Los Angeles, but they were sure to use the story of those people's generosity to reinforce the narrative of their own awesomeness during his tour of America Jim. Some would regularly referred his Los Angeles Ministry as the Inner City that was supposed to, but he would generally slip. Just call it the ghetto, saying things like I found healing in the ghetto. Those people love me so much. People. Laurie also had a number of choice lines in that vein telling one reporter. This is probably not. But out of all the races White Hispanic afro-american. The people of the black race have been by far the kindness Jim. Racist. Oh. A tip for me is if you're starting a sentence without of all the races. The sentence stop. Whatever you're saying, don't. Jesus Christ in real. In two thousand and three, the bakers moved back to the south, a wealthy supporter from Missouri who claimed Jim had saved his marriage paid for them to get up and running in the studio city cafe in Branson. I Love Branson by the way it's. It's the city where this happens in and yet the Branson is like. It is like for for this group of people like Las Vegas, and like Las Vegas La's filled with all these like stars who are past their prime, and so they get. Like that's. Doing, exactly he's, he's doing is like show in Branson. And so they do that for a few years, and eventually they they're they're. Backer uses millions to construct a new compound for them called Morningside, which is basically the same as their old compound, but somewhat more modest, it is not as big and grand, but it includes like a fake main street USA and like basically like it's basically like a weird fake like that chunk of Disneyworld that Jim Baker. Recording Studio. Right, right. NOT AS COOL! Not Nearly as cool as House! No! No definitely not euros. So. They move in their two thousand eight and they've been there ever since, and it's worth noting that this millionaire backer Jerry. Crawford actually owns the prop most of the property at Morningside, presumably because Jim. Baker can't really own property anymore. Because still owes millions of dollars in taxes. Oh, there's like some. Sketchy. Shit given his felon status. That's also unlikely that Jim Baker could have convinced the irs to grant tax exempt status to another one of his organizations that is. Probably, GONNA happen a second time around right, you know. Fool me once. Shame on me for me twice. I'M NOT GONNA make tax exempt again. This is probably why he had to discard all of the Prosperity Gospel nonsense from his first rise to power. He can't ask people to blindly send him money anymore. At least not the same way now I'm not an expert in taxes, but I do know that generally money received as a gift is treated very differently from money that you're saving the sale of a product normally need to pay taxes on a gift. Right like that's kind of a basic rule. Now stick with Vic because this is where the Griffen gets really complicated. This is this is the pivot that he makes, and it's kind of. It's objectively brilliant. So. The main theological shift that Jim Baker undergoes during his prison. Metamorphosis is to drop the Prosperity Gospel Bullshit and pick up apocalyptic rapture bullshit, and it's the kind of it makes narrative sense, so people don't question you know like I thought that it was all about money, and all about like bringing that end, but then I realized that like it's all about God and he's coming back in the world is ending, so wealth doesn't even matter anymore because he can't. He can't promise people to make them rich by donating money to him anymore. So, why would you focus on wealth? So the question then is though. Why does he start focusing on the apocalypse? What is the gift in the apocalypse? Well obsessing over the apocalypse allows Jim Baker to Hawkin endless line of survival equipment, primarily Baker buckets which are dried food storage buckets for peppers and we'll. We'll talk more about those in a minute now. Selling a Shitload of survival equipment would normally mean you have to hand over a lot of that money to the state in taxes right like that's how business works, but this is not a business. See if you know Jim Baker the you know, the blessed mother. fucking thing he's ever going to do is pay goddamn diamond taxes. So, he works out a way to not do that and here's how buzzfeed describes the gift. In Morningside Lingo, these traded supplies or offerings are cold, love gifts. Technically the ministry isn't selling these items. Instead. The organization's business model requires that the ministry function on donation and those donations are a lot easier to get. If people get something in return, be it a Mug or be it a bucket of food for the apocalypse, so there's no purchasing happening. Gift to the ministry it's awesome. Good gift on Real, and it's it's this is where you really really see Jim. Elevate in my mind to like the ranks of truly great drifters, because before I feel like he's on easy mode like there's there's no artifice in in just saying Gimme money, it'll make you rich. This is a legitimately brilliant griffin, and he's one that can adapt so easily. Yeah, just like find out what the next path is. And he's been doing this since two thousand eight. So he's he. You Know Barack. Obama was a huge boon to his business. He claimed an almost immediately that Barack Obama was the Anti Christ. in the end was nigh. And Yeah, in, you might think that his boy trump getting elected would've like actually done some damage to his bottom line because he really supported Donald Trump, but he was able to flip almost immediately into freaking out about a black president to freak out about all the different natural disasters going to matter the that were battering the US. And then also saying that you know if you're against trump. That's God wanted trump in there. Then you're you're for the devil. Devil Yeah. It's so good. It's just awesome. So. He doesn't fifteen. NPR did a deep dive into his survival buckets. The Prep Community tends to refer to as Baker Buckets, and they are not well regarded amongst the kinds of people who keep a lot of survival food in their houses. They're not. They're not considered good. SAWDUST They. You've done so many videos. Just focus deep pans on like these fucking buckets like normal survival food. You'll you'll. You'll port like little trees right packet of what is? Poor in water and you'll start together. It's like Mac and cheese or whatever. Baker fills up like. Twenty. Massive tubs of. Cheese cheesy broccoli soup. SLOWLY STARING DISLIKE MASH! What looks enhanced to smell like vomit and it's. fillers ladle and right from ladle. It's horrifying kind of churches this. What is like what is going on? The Jim Bakker's ads we'll. We'll play some audio from one of them later. His ads for food buckets are I. Find Them existentialist horrifying. Clock, ticking down yeah. It's. Like anything else I've ever seen. But I I wouldn't read first before he drop into one of those videos. I WanNa Read I. From Two Thousand Fifteen. NPR deep dive on his survival buckets quote. Among the freeze dried products available on his website is a fifty day survival, food, sampler bucket, containing one hundred and fifty four meals. It will cost you a hundred and thirty five dollars, but the idea is, you'll be prepared when food shortages hit imagined, the world is dying, and you're having breakfast for kings the food. We've got our hands. Version of this bucket, which contains a variety of hearty dishes, including buttermilk, pancakes, vegetable, chicken, soup, Creamy Stroganoff, Black Bean, burgers Fettuccini Alfredo and mashed potatoes in October three hour long segments were devoted to Baker's assertion that we are the generation that will experience rapture followers must be prepared to survive and continue preaching the Gospel he says, and why, not? As Baker urges by food today so that you can have parties when the world's coming apart. Save for the pudding. The dishes were extremely salty, odd lingering after tastes, and he couldn't agree on which was worse, the thick potato soup. Getting wet cement, the strong chemical overtones, the chocolate, pudding, or disturbing, radioactive orange of the macaroni and cheese. Christ rose. Do you have a segment you WANNA play about the baker buckets before. 'cause that's yeah. They. Talking to me like yeah, yeah, yeah I mean there's like the cheesy Broccoli Rice. Yes, so offensive to watch and. To hear the plops of. Broccoli dropping into the yeah, just like this bright yellow neon yellow. Orange should not. Food should be that color. Almost love crafty and it's. It's unsettling this and I I don't know. Yeah. You can't see them, so it's hard to. Look at. What I love what my hands! But it's hot. cheesy cleaned right Broccoli in there. Wow! That's. Why would you want that of adoptable pizza? If I went gross you out, everyone, I would eat right out of shovel. Wow, let let's this in with the right. There it goes. We're dumping twenty two gallon into the. Everywhere and the right. Now I have forty four. Gallons. What happened to survive for two years or three years? You're GONNA need more. and. It just looks like it looks almost like powdered protein. It's just like. Like I've I've I eat a lot of dried food. I go camping. I do survive. He's just eating. I. I've never like no one else sells. I'm very familiar with how people cell survival food. No. This. The best is the he's like. He must have like extra buckets. He started selling buckets filled with bibles. Insane. and. They recommend bearing the Bible's. For when they need it online. Completely insane. Unbelievable I. It's amazing. It's amazing. He's selling twenty-eight Bucket sampler there for twenty five hundred dollars, donation or more peo-. Branson Missouri. fucking real dude. I'll never understand how this works, but it does. And some good lawyers on his side. I, I don't even know if anyone's tried like there's. This is just the way the law works and it. Shouldn't. You shouldn't just be able to say it's a donation. Here's your product. But. I guess it's fine. We've all agreed not to stop this. It's a pretty cool and good, and I have to know one of the surreal things about watching modern Jim Bakker's ads is that he looks like David. Cross in a costume he later. Definitely part of it, he like he emerged from prison and they kind of. A cap now, and he's got this like beard. Yes, yeah, he's like you've reinvented himself a little bit. You know his look. Yeah, you have to when you do this. So? Vic. I'M GONNA start selling. Buckets of SLOP. I mean no taking donations. You donate twenty five hundred dollars to me. I will make sure forty four gallons of something liquid. hot. Arrives at your door. I'll I'll find a way. and so let's. Send the money over and in the meantime, check out these ads for products that are not donation based and function within the regular economy and have to pay taxes. IHEART RADIO IN TRIBECA studios present fierce, a podcast about the incredible women who never made it into our history books, and the modern women carrying on their legacies today I'm your host Joe Piazza each week will be introducing you to women like Madame Cj Walker created jobs for thousands of African American women who otherwise would have been sharecroppers, Washer, women and cooks and maids, and gave them the opportunity to make their own money independently as businesswomen listening, subscribe to fierce on the iheartradio. APP or wherever you listen to podcasts. Jim Baker wound up on Donald Trump's side of the twenty sixteen election and his political stances over the last few years won't really surprise anyone in August. He said this Hillary Clinton is a very wicked and UNCHRISTIAN woman. She supports gay rights and abortion I would say she is a bright of Satan. If America Alexa, it could lead to Armageddon. And Cool. So, she would have been so much better of a candidate if she was married to the Devil Lake. Less problematic than bill. Yeah Alas. Initially, it looked like trump selection would be bad for Jim's business like I said the whole. President Hillary means Armageddon Line I think he was really gearing up for Hillary Clinton's present, because he would have sold the shit out of food and Bible buckets. You've had this whole thing about like. Ban The Bible. You GotTa Bear Your. Bibles. You GotTa bear your food buried all right. You're the best is like his live feed of of when the results are coming in. They're like preparing for trump. The lose to start their gift again. The same thing with Alex Jones. They had to think on their feet quickly. How get through this now? How do we get through this now? And it was disastrous for Alex Jones in the end. It wasn't disastrous for Jim Baker. I and I I. Don't really know why other than that like Jones is a. Violent End, end. Commits a ton of crimes and I think Jim Baker has been pretty careful about committing crimes since all of the crimes, he committed sent him to prison. I guess that's. I guess that's just it. And I a at the end of this here, I'm left trying to wonder what. Gyms, followers seeing him like whatever you like. You Find I think most people find these videos from show so profoundly unsettling that you were. You've spent dozens of hours of your life. Editing them into. The horror shows that they. They really aren't to try to like highlight that because I guess you. Can you tell me about the first time you ever came across? One of these videos like what it was like realizing this was all going on. There had to be a time before you knew Jim Baker was doing. I thought I came across the the the baker bucket like when he was making the cheesy Brecca, the rice and the massive tubs. Friend Tim heidegger founded. He says you got to do something with this. Because it seems like it's like it's like a skit or something. It just doesn't seem real. You know and like I i. don't know what's up with the people that that I don't know how anybody can just watch that and not be offended. Like how like why is this happening? How why would you give this guy any money, but? I think I think it's a lot. An because he still has a lot of older people that up with him in the seventies and eighties, and and he's just co culture icon in a way. And you know it's there's a little bit of the Colt mentality to their. Because like even you can actually like by rooms in his studio so you. Live live in the studio. All ladies pretty much yeah, but I've noticed recently even before the corona virus outbreak. Like the the crowd has been pretty slim. They've been trying to fill the The rose with like statues and stuff to make you know. Fill the room up a little bit, but. I'd be curious to know how they're doing. Yeah there. It's interesting there This is like you do have to say his. His current digs are much more much ambitious than his original ones and like I. Think Studio has about a sixty seat audience. Oh, if that. Kind of all older women and yeah, it does seem like the there have been less of them lately. Rice reasons but he did. He did slip with the with pushing the silver solution yet he did you got for that his. He's being sued by The Missouri a yeah. I think New, York to like yes. We'll see what kind of damage that does. It's interesting because I think he kind of backed off on the silver stuff once he got. A little wrong on that but I. I know Alex did not Alex Jones. I think he's just going to be like. Fuck it. Let's see what they do. What are you GonNa, do you? Get me and like Yeah Jim. Bakker's whole life is testament to the fact that they don't do that. Much like yeah, you have to commit. Tens of millions of dollars in fraud and violent rape in like rape didn't have any impact on the sentencing. He wasn't charged for it, but I do think played into the fact that like something happened to him like I think if you just committed to financial crimes I doubt he would've spent one like a year in prison, but Yeah, it's. Quite, a quite a thing, anyways. I wanted to kind of into by trying to get into the heads, a little bit of the people who watch this and love this and find him inspiring, because I will never really understand them, but we should try to a little bit because it's important So I found it, buzzfeed article that that interviews a woman who's a big fan of Jim Bakker's. An older lady named Days Green as her last name. Quote I watched the show because I can connect with Jim and Laurie. They seem to be such everyday people. She says the stuff they talk. Right away. Who Either What I grew up in the south. I know the rural parts of this country. I don't know anyone like Gympie. You talking about. Jesus the stuff they talk about the show. It's stuff that we everyday people struggle with and I guess that part is true because they do talk during surely about that. It's helped me to be a better person, so that part I get. Days Green is worried about many things. The LEVIATHANS spirit natural disasters, pestilence bird flu swine flu Palestine. The second coming Rice Isis blasphemy, an immigration, just amazing list of like. Yeah, you should be worried about diseases and naturalism Palestine. No. No, no, no. Immigration. Over the course of our conversation, she expresses fear that the world is crumbling before her that people are falling further and further away from God I am. Awake Days Green says people say that I am crazy, but I am not crazy. Jim Baker is not crazy. We know that something happening and we are trying to do something. Mostly days. Green says she has been called crazy by the church used to attend. She asked the Church to preach on the book of revelation to reveal the truth of the Bible that she believes people need to know because it's happening now. She uses a verse from Hebrews Five, twelve in our. Which chastises young Christians for their dependence on easily digested topics of faith, instead of trying to tackle more meaty ones. Revelation in her opinion is the meat I guess got thrown into the fanatical group. She says because her church asked her to leave days Greens. Faith is tightly bound together with her politics. She says he is Donald Trump supporter. She wants the swamp in Washington. DC cleared out, and she wants America to return to the America. She lived in during her childhood. There's a lot of it there, and that's why mainstream. USA is the theme of his current like compound sort of church thing. Yeah. They want to go back in time and they're very open about that. I'm continuing the article because I think this is important. Her biggest personal causes. Immigration Governor Greg Abbott to get rid of the sanctuary cities in Texas. In fact, Abbott recently signed legislation banning them. It used to be a little shelf in the grocery store that had a few little Mexican things on it, but now there's a whole section of the store that's written in. In Spanish she explains they are supposed to assimilate. It went from like five Mexican families to like around us to like twenty. There are Muslim people living in gram and the town took over the convenience stores. She Pauses I. Don't WanNa have to physically fight those people here on our own homeland for Christian American values, but I will. They're invading force I feel. Go. Yeah. Yeah, and it's. It's yeah, that's what. That's something I mean because he doesn't. I think he does have Muslim guests on his show. I think he could be wrong, but yeah I. Don't know enough about that, but that's at least with this lady takes. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, it's it's pretty wild, and the the language that Baker used around Donald. Trump is pretty wild lang in the run-up to like during the election, he said at one point I'm not supposed to tell you this, but I have eye witnesses. Donald Trump is a very tender man, and he weeps. He wants to please God more than anything else. He wants to be president of the United States and make things right in this country because he loves God Almighty then with his eyes Shining Baker declared. God has called I believe Donald Trump. So. Yeah Baker says trump called him to thank him after his election and they were invited to the inauguration which they attended, they were invited to the inaugural prayer breakfast inaugural ball so yeah. That's get this guy walking around the warehouse and it's normal typical stuff. This good good good for America and for America. I mean. In terms of the rapists in the White House, he's. One of them. Is among them on the list. Yep that's our episode. Lifting. Yeah! Everybody, feel like. My God, I need a bath. A bath in one of those giant pockets for Cheesy Broccoli? My Christ. So. How. How we doing? All right. Yeah! Yep Yep. Robert. you're frozen. I. I know we're all frozen frozen. In awe of the Griff tting tower. Baker fucking incredible. Well, Vic. You want to. Plug your. Do you sell gigantic antic, forty four gallon buckets of slop. I don't at the moment working on it, yeah. To get my dusty food together. Mix It with a little water and you can. You can feed your family the good. General the good dried food like that. You open the packs and you can tell it's food, right? It looks like freeze dried and shrunken inyo desiccated, but it looks like what it is and like. Just eat dry and it's not bad like mountain house. You can eat that shit dry and it's pretty good. Bakers food. Yeah just looks like Sawdust. SWAP! Takes be. He's put a trough out there and get incredible fucking credible. Yeah, but you can. If you want to see my re edits of Jim Bakker videos, you can head to my Youtube Vic Burger. There's number on there. There's a lot of a lot of stuff there a lot of fun stuff. You can check me out on twitter facebook. They've been Vic Burger and there. I am yeah, there, he is I am also on the Internet. He's I'd I right okay on twitter? We're at bastards pot on twitter instagram. We have a t public story. You can buy merch. Robert also podcast called the women's where you should check it out. I haven't verified any of this information so checkup on your own. What he says. Thanks for what you guys do. Work documenting all this safely. Thank you as well, please. Please continue doing. I don't really know how to describe what you do, but it's important. It's important documentation. I consider it a form of journalism thick and I'll tell you why. It's because the the the actual the baseline. Of these these videos doesn't do enough to convey emotionally. What happens to a human being who watches them in the time in which there concurrent and I think? What you do that provides that by by setting the tone that is thank you. Jim is like he's doing five six hours a week. He's a these shows are long and the I try to little it down to the most horrifying moments. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Roland good so. We're all GONNA. Go Wash your hands. Wash our hands cry. About crying. Try about right. Yeah, it's GonNa. It's GonNa be good. All right. Thanks on being on VIC. You all need to tune into the podcast cannabis talk one on one with Blue Joe `Grande and Marketing Craig Wasserman the brothers that law we are the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis now the podcast cannabis talk one on one. We all share a passion for entertaining and educating the cannabis community. 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The Morning Briefing: Friday, January 15

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"Gone danny boyle with the briefing from the telegraph. It's friday january the fifteenth and they were soaring levels of cove in care homes back in the first wave of corona vehicles. Cowan's took a huge and deadly hit now outbreaks in residential care homes of more than trebled in a month figures show infection levels are similar to the peak last spring senior l. figures cool the numbers shocking ministers had pledged that all residents would be vaccinated by the end of this month. Bartow science senate to sarah napkins been told there were delays to the rollouts. She's got a fool in-depth reports side. Does britain have a vaccine or not. He really is the only thing. Many people want to know. But the government's not saying ministers have been fending off questions with claims about national security global health security editor. Pull new kiosks. Do dull full sees really threatened. Britain's vaccine supply chain and using the data we have out trek to. Lets you see if we were on course to end lockdown now off the so-called operation bleach that's efforts to strip eu references from thousands of laws designed to stop labor reversing brexit at the next election. Boris johnson's now. Looking at an oval of labor laws he said to once a free businesses from regulations imposed by the do have includes the forty eight hour working week. The pm's likely to face resistance from trade unions out. Bullets go editor gordon. Rayner explains what we knows so far and when it comes to choosing a new book it's hard to beat personal recommendations to die the duck jessica. Coon was launching her book club. He's picked for historical choices. She hopes allow readers to escape. Travel laugh and cry. We've got a list of the books and thereabouts. If you've got time to read some other pieces to. I can also recommend an interview with sophie. Ellis baxter on how. She's coping with lockdown as a parent and sam danes metropole from the emerets after arsenal were held to a goalless. Draw by crystal palace right. You're up to date from the telegraph critic fuel. Second briefing of the day this evening.

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 Is English football's racism problem being taken seriously?  podcast

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Is English football's racism problem being taken seriously? podcast

"Today. The problem of racism in football at all levels of the game. And in Pinon civil disobedience on the climate crisis. Before we start the language in this program is shocking and strong from the very beginning. And we haven't sensitive it. So if you need to turn this off do that now. It was an ugly scene at Stamford Bridge on Saturday as a group of Chelsea supporters to hell racist abuse at two cities were hime sterling another great day of football has been damaged by prejudice. We've had the instance with the alleged bee's towards him starting PM Rica Bamiyan looking towards the crowd in disgust. You can those Banawa thrown up America Myung during the Northland Darby. Imagine the aim towards Mohammed salary at the west time the feel of Apu game getting different treatment over players Wilfred. Saw the Crystal Palace player referred to as a dining monkey Christian sell. The what foot defender somebody sent him in emoji of a monkey and an emoji of a banana. And then there were other awful comment. They sent a Wigan DVR elites game Darby pricing game. Donnie, raise them play ending the place that he caught white retired from football because he so sixty abuse. And the fact that nothing really gets done. I just can't wait to see the Vacaville. All of these cases of racist abuse happened this season. And headlines continue to appear verbal attacks from the stands and throughout social media aimed at players in the professional game. But it's not just happening at the top is one of the people. I spoke to in the peace said football is like a pyramid structure, if you go to the bottom of it. The grassroots level the local parks local pitches is going to be a lot more going on that. Racism, runs deep in English football into the Sunday leagues into kids games and to the grassroots level. There is no international press will see see TV to monitor what's really going on. There's a growing and growing numbness at that level about what's been going on from the garden. I'm indirection today in focus from local parks to the Premier League. The debts of racism in English football. My name is Carmen king from the black nation coaches association, grassroots fashion. Grassroots festival over fifty years. Fifty is what playing coach in running leagues. Support people may structures Mets doctor calling king at a sports centre in Brixton south London, where he's a coach for kids in the local area for five decades, Colin has pretty much done everything in groceries football for most of that time. He's been fighting racism on the pit and in the system he says he first became really aware of the problem in the nineteen seventies. When you went to trial for professional club lived on the study in Peckham that forehead some talent started play in. I was the only guy there, and that was it was monkey calling from some of the coaches and from the players an end person, you'll this you there and then a phone discount before. And then one of the coaches took me to change them calming and would pin me up against the wall and went to to beat me up. Well, had a mental breakdown ended up the most. Hospital for several months because of that. So I don't really from. Where do you wanna play football? If this is why I'm in for so I left and I went back into groceries and on league one to coaching. Dedicated to your life working on this issue. Then two kids say themselves on the pictures like hair around in in under twelve leaks and fix game. Well, we see kids come back control. This something being codeine with it being played some of them have been called they'll really black and your nasty some of them even called you African not human so Africanness is seen as being too dehumanizing. Two different. We have a large diverse community of asylum seekers come here now now experiencing racial lies ambulance discrimination combined as well. The biggest problem is the Muslim community now as well because hosts social panic around Muslim is so some people get caught thirty nasty Muslim we don't want Muslims around. So we've that reaction as well. And I'm Brexit hasn't has actually played into this law that kind of the. Rise conservatism with within the white community now as made it much more permissible, but people to stand up and say things about people who different an experienced that. Because they're all different the diversity in books. Fantastic. But it's not something they can is celebrating other places that visit one thing you have you you hit the mirror from the parents so appearance, I some really ugly things about don't touch. My son. Don't go near him tackling. Don't wanna tackling time. It's on you. Have it verbally you Hittin underbelly you hear it weapons position themselves. So you see the white parents that will go no in their black parents in the field of play, and you can see it being active that when the the the children are acting at the values that their parents see the stage in the way to talk suplies, you see the way they respond to kids you can see that. So of dislike their disapproval that you are different. You not ask that superiority complex, emerges and they have to face there. Then he got back and facing the school system to school. Exclusion face in criminal Justice system, the Fe they face in what's going on in terms of the exposed to step in the censure. So they have tough lives and foot was one place. It should be a century where they go to where they should be able to be safe. Unfortunately, they're not safe and football. When it happens. We've got to walk off and get to a minibus and get home we have not. But we don't have the protection of a stage into walk into and get away from it. So we're gonna make sure the players safe because we've had fights with of opposition 's we've had threats from oppositions, we've had safety things that can be get home. So it's been it's going to be really scaring. The grassroots can be redefining nothing. That's the that people don't really wanna talk about about race in safety so fast. It's top protection issue that we need to win to the law of the FA and all those bodies. I think jeez. T Dr cutting king by Jacob Steinberg. He's one of the guardian sports writers, he spent the last few months looking into the problem of racism in football, particularly at grassroots level. He's found examples of it all over the country and all levels of the game. How does all of this might you fail of those fail him a big fans of football about the game depressed, angry worried at times, he feel like it's not necessarily worth getting invested in it. Because. You don't want to be associated with some of the people who are doing this kind of thing at the same time. It's it's it's football. So it's like a religion an obsession for people. So you feel like you don't want to be the ones who walk away. Ultimately. Jacob racism in football is something we've known about for longtime. But what feels different are suppose this year is that more and more footballers have come out. And they've spoken about the issue. Particularly social media, football's antidiscrimination charity kick it out. They do gather reports of incidents. So what do we know about the scale of the program spoke to John Hudson? Who's kick out kick outs grass roots offices. He pretty much said this is just one hundred percent happening. This is is being like this year's nothing changes. One of the things that they were particularly Boyd about kick hours. They don't really get that many reports at the time of writing my article, they'd only had eight see reports at the grassroots level. And tation said this is kind of shocking because it shows you that people are pretty tired of it, and they don't actually want to make the complaints. Because I think that the complaints won't be heard and they won't be dealt with. And if people are reporting racism at grassroots level, the regulator is still Football Association almost Pacific less space. It'd be. Relevant county FA. The FAA is committed to stopping abuse and all forms of discrimination. As we believe that football is for everyone. But we need your help to report discrimination. Please contact your local county effort, and in theory match officials should record it and report it, and of course, there's the charity kick it out and they haven't app reporting discrimination. But then what happens will kick out who receive reports they can take them to the authorities and say we've had this report. What will you do about it the issue that you will have that level is that it's often a lack of evidence that the holds up these cases, and it's going to be my word against yours while it didn't happen. Does nothing that you can do about this. No real way of proving it. The issue of lack of evidence is something non league team sporting Bengal at say come up against all too often. My name's emerald Gazi. I'm the manager at sporting Bengal football club based in east London. Why am I am the manager? I'm the water. Boy. I'm the kitman. I'm the ballboy. I'm the teaboy Tallahassee. Sporting Bengal is Representative of the diversity of east London in that we we encompass every member of the society. That's is as diverse as tower hamlets is. So we've got bounded issue footballers. We've got white British footballers. We've got afro-caribbean football as Colombians Pakistanis Indians. You name it sporting Bengal represents tower hamlets, and that's the key. How often do you guys? See racism on the pitch when you're playing. I see it. You you hear it from the crowds, the non leakers, you know, this not massive. But there's a couple of often there's a couple of hundred play supporters. They're watching a game. And there's been instances where my goal keeping my upping cold Paki count. The might be other other derogatory terms being used by supporters. You've had incidents where players of players have called some players terrorists. No, we're talking about players calling each other names. So this happened on the pitch in our group. Innoc- Bradford and was fortunate in the I never experienced racism in growing up of the only place of ever experienced racism is on the football pitch. Why is it like? A you say you guys fill the guys in the pitch. When racism does happen. What happens in that moment? feeling is at that particular time, the feeling is one of unjust. The feeling is one you feel. The morale is such a low, and you feel worthless. You feel as if no one cares. The world is against you. And you feel angry? It's the most is it's the saddest feeling in football. There's been there's been times where again recently where they've gone to the changing room at halftime. And players of said to me, look emerald kaffa, what's the point in going out? And I think the case of just feeding lost anything where are where can you go now to stop this? Where can you go? And to make sure that change happens. Happens. Happens on the pitch. How big of a problem is it that it is. Just somebody's word against another person's would. Yeah. That's that's that's in football. That's usually the biggest problem of all. We we don't have the finances to be able to record our games every week. We're grassroots club where a community based club. So we do what we can. So anything that we do record is used your mobile phone? So you know, what we're filming the action on the pitch. We're not looking for discrimination. We're not looking to get someone in trouble. If that's happens to be on a video some footage that we've recorded then so be it, and that's evidence that it's not something you're looking for something you go out to look for. Now. What does happen when you report racism offer nothing? But the problem we have is the length of time it takes to action something. I don't even know as a manager what the processes, and it said, I know about the key out app. But that's it. But what happens after that? I do know there's a process, and that process is long, and there's a lot of there's a lot of bureaucracy that goes on behind the scene for me as an individual when I've been involved in this before it gets you disillusioned and the next time this happens. Do I really wanna report? No, I don't. So I let go they have tried to report in the past few feel players feel tame, and and not just me you hear stories up and down the U K, we need to we need to encourage people. Do this more to make the process move. We've got to make the process easier. And then and also make less less hurtful as well. Because like, I say, you just feel you just feel that. No, one cares. So what is the point in reporting? Something if I'm if I'm feeling like, you know, recently the lost of happened in reported things. And everybody's telling me what's the point players individuals. It was the point nothing's going to happen. Nothing's going to happen. So why are you wasting your time? If had a few incidents the season, and and you've mentioned plays being really upset the half time not wanting to get back on the pitch. You've got your final game this season coming up at the end of April. How's everybody feeling about that? Interesting question 'cause we Lord of the players don't actually feel like they want to they want to make a statement and not attend the last game of the season after was going on. And so it's hard from my perspective as a manager because I know I've gotta get team out con. Con is the last game season. So it looks like I'm you have to play scored players is gonna I'm going to have to give the kids run out. Because ultimately we couple get fine. If we don't turn up on the day. But there's a lot of players senior players that want to make a statement. And. Have asked me to maybe not turn up for the last game. Just they wanna play things that bad. Yeah. And that's practically reason they just feel let down how do you think? What's going on in the primary league with professional footballers is connected to groceries to non league? Hugely. As kids anything that you see on the TV, you straightway you run out the front door, and you go and try replicate in in the park. So of course, this is just the way. Unfortunately, just the way is as a kid growing up. I did exactly that van bust in one thousand nine hundred glory in the European no the Cup final that volley against Russia. Penalty-area now too. When I was out in the trying to days Ruud Gullit. That's what we do is killed kids. That's what we do is even as adults. Now, we try it. We love it. We that's football is all about that. We try to replicate what we see on the TV. But unfortunately, also on the flip side of that anything bad the same would apply there as well. Take space emerald. He linked quite rightly what's going on in the grassroots game. With all the recent high profile stories about racism in the Premier League coming from the stands and on social media. And in a way, they are different situations. But one thing that links him quite rightly is that both supposed to be regulated by the FA. So could the FA do more to get handle miss? I think that people would fill that the FAA could be stronger on it. I think that there's a feeling now that, hey, if you if your player who racially is another one ten game ban instantly, or if you're a team whose whose fans have done something close the stadium or deduct points. Now, one of the things that people would say that is the it's a minority of fans, for example. They're not real fans. I always think that to say that the real fans is a cop out because they're the ticket to go to your stadium. The wearing your shut representing your club. They are very much a real fan something stronger needs to be done because little fines reworking working all the kind of little condemnations that we that we hear and we'll sit around and say, yeah, this is terrible. Something's got to be done and what's going on. And we all think the racism is a very bad thing. But. At the end of the day. What are we actually going to do about it? What's the toughest thing? We can do what will make clubs ready set up and say an take notice because what do they really worry about? They worry about points and money, and the image is the big thing though, it's gonna make people sit up. Thank if you have the team. We'll call for start that would that would potentially be a huge statement. The problem that you've got in that situation, though is the the team that walks off with would be breaking the rules themselves. Ultimately is it down to the players to do that to make their own stand? I don't really think. So I think it's the people who should be protecting them who've needs to be tougher even tougher than they are at the moment. What do we do about the groceries? He's going to protect them. I think that you would you need to listen to complaints more deal with complaints quicker than the handled at the moment and make sure the players and spectators feel that when they raise the complaints that they are going to be heard. And that they have somewhere to go to they know where to go to the not just going to be told. There's no evidence. All right, say beyond regulation and tackling. The problem after it's happened doesn't society more broadly, and particularly the media have a role to play in this. Some of the press coverage of black footballers has been very problematic hasn't it? Yeah. I think we could start with Rehim sterling who has been a target for some front pages in in the past couple of years when he's gone out to maybe take a cheap flight things. What's what's this rich guy doing taking this cheap fly or rain starting goes out for cheap breakfast or stuff like that? I'm wondering why we even why am I interested in this? And why we why are we talking about him? Why we always referencing his money the amount of caused that? He might have. Who cares? He's he's owns all. He's he's talented, and he can do whatever he wants his is his right to do to do that. And I think he feels that. Then there's been this perception of him Bill up being this flashy black guy who basically shouldn't doesn't really deserve any of this. And then, you know, that's Brazil breeds some kind of resentment towards him one of the things that happens in in the media at times is the black players referred to as beasts of monsters simply because we focus on their size and physicality instead of their natural ability so Manchester United pepper plant pool poker. He's one of the best football is in the world, huge natural ability. When I look at pulled Polk, but play football. I think about his the skill division the touch all those kind of things, but we'll talk about his size. We'll talk about physicality. Oh, he's a beast. Always a months. Oh, isn't that? Amazing money runs. The length of the pitch and everything and nobody can keep up with him. Oh, he's so big his size makes the difference. He's actually not bigger all heavier than a lot of other white midfielders. But with him we focus on his size. It it just creates a perception. And one of the things that is a feeling is that lower level is then what people come to look for when they tried to look at the gross roots is the the black body. So we we're not the black football. But we try to find the fast big black player scouts prostrate. Steph. And I spoke to a guy who set the. Former black football who said he thought he was quite good player. He thought he could plan centrum, Phil. But you need a bit more technical ability. But his coach just said. Now you play on the right wing fuel black. You'll be fast, basically. So that's that's what calling it said. They see guys coming down. And they're looking for the not looking for -bility. He said they're looking for the black body. Cates and young people and really expiration. Football's a lot of this the dream. Isn't it be play for England prime playing primarily? I'm recently in the last like few weeks we've seen Donnie Ray saying account. Wait, see the back of the sport. We've had a non league player quits because he receives love racist abuse in LeicesteR. Heartbreaking. It's devastating and it shows to me, and I'm going to be quite radical say that black lives in foot without matter. Because when I see those plays crying out for help. And really wants to be a head of see is it's it's a violation of the human vices individuals to on the field of play. And it'd be treated like that is also says something about what black plays have had to go for four years. And now feel that hasn't been changed. But to say that you want to end foot on leave. It for me is actually an indication of about how you are being. Systematically, abused. Not just by Benz the club is well an allowed that to happen. That's terribly document about how treat in race. The FA says discrimination in any form is unacceptable. An a spokesman said when it takes place in football. We work in partnership with clubs league's players campaign groups and fans to tackle the issue together, the FAA has funded to extra groceries offices basic towers, they also say that they have a robust system in place to ensure aggravated breaches of discrimination reported by the county FASt to the FA. They added that they encourage all funds and participants. He believed that they have been the subject of a witness to discriminatory abuse to report it through the appropriate channels. You can read Jacob Steinberg's full reports at the guardian dot com. Coming up next more and more people attending to climate activism as protests begin across the world participants in London tell us why they've decided now is the time to act and just quickly. You might have heard as mentioned today in focus has been nominated in two categories of the British podcast awards. Best new podcast and best current affairs. But that's also a listener's choice awards. And if you like what we do at today, focus, then we would love you to consider victim. I just head to British podcast awards dot com forward slash fate. Thanks. Ready now. Welcome back. This week thousands have joined the extinction rebellion movement as they carry out acts of civil disobedience to protest climate change in London, which is a been blocked roads closed and shells headquarters bumped allies, many of these people are protesting climate change to the first time, his Emily, Laura and Robert on what convince them to take action now. If you told me five years ago, the I would be here on a Monday morning. I would have been very surprised always been aware of the climate issues in the background. But really this year. I looked into the science a bit more detail. Background in public health policy as well. And suddenly realize that we are running out of time things extremely urgent by the time. My six year old before my six year old is old enough to bait. The window that the UN has given us to reduce carbon emissions have gone. So it's really quite terrifying. I think we are currently on track to make the funding habitable within a generation and to realize that we're doing that while beautiful home is just so shocking. And I think for like a lot of people that brings a little of reactions feel afraid I feel very sad. And I feel very angry. I'm not your typical climate activists in that. My husband works in the city in comfortably off his job enables me to stay at home. Mom, so I'm in a privileged position. So I feel like I have the choice to either spend time getting announced on by expensive handbags. I dunno whatever or I can use this kind of privileged. I have to Troy in use my voice, let my children feel empowered make difference. Raise awareness in the area that live I used to think that climate change for testers when not like me that they were may be smelly, and they will had dreadlocks and that they wouldn't even wanna talk to somebody like me, assuming all sorts of things about about who they were putting them in a box. And I realized now that is. That is much more nuanced, and I feel quite ashamed that why live in seventy six. It's not everybody oversleep. It's sorta very keeping up with the Joneses and conservative with a smooth see, and I didn't feel like climate change issues were at the forefront of many people's minds. Nothing really felt real and important until I had my own kids. And then it changed my perspective. I feel guilty. Now retrospect if I wasn't involved before I have respect for those people who have been doing it for years. And I and I wish that I'd woken up to this area. That's why I feel like I have done I've woken up, and I was asleep for. Thirty five years. School was in the army and past ten years. I've been home father, my wife, the breadwinner, an art been the one who looks after the house the house looks after the kids, but they're all grown up now. And finally on that chart do things that interest me again emissions worldwide gone up to. Every indicate that you look at says, how is an how how wishes getting every single day people think that we can just carry on in the large. We live at the moment, and that somehow who get faked all just sleepwalking report rate has a great phrase. This civilize ation is finished and quick. A completely agree with him. It's called to be finished. If there's going to be any type of civilization afterwards. The idea that we can have infinite growth, and that's what the civilization rests on the idea that you can live on a finite planet and have infinite growth just mon- bogging people believed that so I think just about the way society setup. I think it's way too courage is to have Southworth south with a lot of papers about what car they drive. What house David what close the wherein? So that that's wave driving the growth Konomi? If you're saying to people you can't have those. Things because that that is killing the planet. It shouldn't be you challenging their self worth. So it's not just about changing politics. You have to what people actually feel about south from what's important to them to get spiritual cooler as it what it will it has to be a different topic world. It's going to be a different type of world. The only choice. We have is whether we have control over how that will change is coming whether it's force upon onus or whether we shape it is the choice. We have to make. You can follow all the latest on the protests as they continue over the coming days at the garden in dot com. And that's it for today. My thanks to calling king in Rugazi. Jacob Steinberg and two protesters, Laura, Emily and Robert today's program was produced by Joshua Kelly, leg green Chica as and Jack cabbie some design is by execute ta and the executive producers are film may not and the coal Jackson. We'll be back tomorrow.

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EHP099 How Your Past Can Have a Positive Affect On Your Present

The Emotional Happiness Podcast with That Anita Live

28:19 min | 1 year ago

EHP099 How Your Past Can Have a Positive Affect On Your Present

"Welcome to that loves the talk show dedicated to providing personal development through emotional healing to Sharon to help you create a happy life. Today's episode is a lesson in history, how much do I in sisters? Tell us about ourselves if you found out that show ancestor was a biracial Madame in the early eighteen hundreds would it Bouche would yourself esteem. It would boost mind. James Nathan, the third in Brandon Massey are here to share with us the story of Melvina the most notorious Madam in Red River valley. Start the book. It's a book. The book was hot so eighteen thirty eight drafts in with Melvina. And she is arriving in North Dakota. Mhm learning about Milvina with her being blood relatives of yours. How did that make you feel? It was kind of interesting because I didn't expect it, and it was a that whole life was unexpected when we kind of uncovered it, and I didn't really believe it. I couldn't believe that a black woman of that time could actually make that much money and do the things she did at that time. So was still kind of three. Always kind of like an oral history, family secret or according to my cousin Sharon, she, I didn't know anything about this, because we just discovered Milvina, so after she, we were talking she this is before we even found movie. And she said, you know, I had my uncle bay brother who's a descent. He's a Massey also before he passed away, he told her, you know, we have a Madam the family. And so she shared this with me and she called it. I guess they call it kitchen table talk, you know. And so, like I said when I heard, I was like, what type of thing, and I was like, all right. You know, you might be possible to really think it was at didn't think was possible for black woman, every time. So it's like I don't I don't think so, like, if she was making money wouldn't someone take it from what was the first thing that you came across. She discover that made you sit back and go, wow. I'd say it was. That we didn't we went into this, my, my grant, new only grandmother's name, she didn't know her grandfather, so we didn't know Henry. We didn't know movie know anybody. So without without me looking for fascination Massey, who is. I think that's chiron's grandmother without looking looking for her, and then come to crush. Ron Charamba told me that bit of history, and that would never searched on it. So just the just the way we came across each other, because I decided to pick up one specific name to look at fascination Massey, you know, against the, the other ones that Brussels information. The reason we have this information. The reason James has written his book is because Sharon, I met because of her great grandmother. Did it make you more proud of your family lenient? It may be a I say I was already proud of my family history. It just maybe a appreciate the fact that now we knew a lot more of it, and it made me a lot more interested in history. In general, you know you learn history in high school. But this made it a little more real, you know, middle or more tangible. Begin to conduct the research in pull out, these tidbits of information. What was one tidbit of information that you came across? No, this can't be true. I'd say one tidbit was that we saw one of the sentences, I think it was the nineteen hundred census that marked million is being white and even though it said she was wait. I still didn't think about it. I didn't put the pieces together until James when day said she was probably passing for white, and that's what it all fell into place, as like hot at makes all of this make sense how she's able to get around and I'd never thought about it. Even with that steering me in the face of this made a mistake and James said. Need to look at that, like, oh man. How did you come into the picture once he begins to researches family history? So once again, Sharon sure on down, we met online, and then we met in person one Sunday afternoon in Rockville, and we're sitting down and we're talking about my science fiction books. Right. And then she says, I have a story, and she's talking about how they came together, and they found Vena, and then she's going through all these little tidbits of information about Melvina and my brain is working. And I'm thinking, wow. This is a book. This is this is this is lifetime. I said, oh my goodness. What, what was the one thing that she said he when that meeting took you to that place? Without question. It was the fact that the promise every note. Okay. So. Way after she had served time in nineteen hundred. She gets out of jail and Melvina is. You know, just living life still went back to being a Madam and everything, but the law is still after her. Right. And so, she's facing all kinds of different lawsuits. Everybody wanted to get a court for over. Some reason was. And so one of her attorneys whatever attorneys in one of the cases, she wins, she pays him with the promise, every note, the promissory note is for transactions that occur inside of her brothel. Okay. So if he took that back to the brothel will, you can get anything you want and get. Okay in kind. So he takes byles walks on his way. Well, he used that same promissory note to pay off one of his debts. So that guy decides well I don't want that. I don't want to get into brothel I want cash. He goes the Mel Venus's pay me, cash mobile those no, let's go to court. So she took him to court judge. Here's a case both sides, and he sites with Melvina and he tells them in that promissory note is good. And it's good for anything. You could get it to Crystal Palace case close. And that was the point that took you would I when I heard that story, I said, okay, let's go. Venus, drums to North Dakota, and she does what? From what the records show initially when she came, she was the first she was the first Batum enor- in five North Dakota. This is before it became a state, and we're talking late eighteen seventies early eighteen eighties and she's going to the most prestigious hotels, and yada, yada, yada, Nova was a very extravagant flamboyant looking woman, and she dressed up worryingly to what we could gather she liked to diamond earrings. She liked her furs and makes okay. So all of this plays right into what we were thinking, what we were believing that okay? So she arrives from the east as far and she says she's from Virginia from all appearances. She's a white woman from Virginia. Who's going to say no? So she sets up a business. Oh, yeah. What's interesting too, about Melvina is that she's the only plea other madams in Fargo at doing her timeframe. But she's the only one that onto a property outright. She owned all of the brothels older, the boarding homes. She owned out any idea on when she landed in Fargo to begin to make the type of business moves that she did. She arrived with money. Where did she get that money from? We're still trying to figure that out. But the speculation. Is that she was a bootlegger? And that she as she during her long life in the invest sporting game she picked up different things different tricks of the trade. But one thing she did she really latched onto was bootleg. North dakota's. A dry state right next to it as Minnesota Minnesota Moorhead is about three miles close proximity to Fargo Moorhead Minnesota has four hundred bars and pubs. That's the only thing it was known for was his bars poems. So all of that drinking going on. You got to supply. And that's where I think, Melvina was making money or cash. Lake bootleg it and owning the local brothel. Yes. Okay. What did you find most interesting about milking this life? Just the fact that she could pull off these things. You know she's in the paper all the time. And there's, there's I think there was an article about how the church, I don't know if the church was directly next door somewhere downstream of the water piping had to be connected to her house. So that was a big issue. And then I think I read somewhere that she actually paid for some of that be done, or actually paid for it to be done. You know, in just the fact that she's able to get away with this, this lifestyle, just not be mealy thrown in jail through her. First I court case. Because she went to Kate. She went to court a lot, it seemed as if she preferred to go to court then to argue with someone. Brennan brings up a good point until let's go back to this. This is what about her first times in courtroom eighteen seventy seventy five or so. So this is reconstruction, we can talk about in, by the way. So this is a round this time period. And you got to think to yourself, she's an mid thirties by this timeframe. And here's a young independent black woman. Passing passing. Okay. But with money with a lawyer retainer, because she was going, she had no problem ever taking someone to court. Right. So she had money to do that. In the east. I don't know if it was passing as much as they knew she was Malaga because in Virginia and DC Maryland, you know, you could almost tell you know, I don't know after a while you get a feeling. Yeah. You, you're not white, you're black or you're, you know mix. But the further west you went the chances of that happening were slim to nil, especially in the Pacific northwest in that area, she was in not Pacific northwest but the middle west of the country up north tier northern west. Yeah, there's mostly people from Scandinavia. They don't see what was I, I call case. Like who would you take the court? I always get initials mixed Lewis HP Davis believe Louis HP Davis, and Mr. Davis. He's malato he's mixed and he is him. And Melvina a dating according, and we believe they were they met some time in Chicago. They met outside of DC. And he comes back to DC any marries another woman who's a Moloto. And Melvina finds out about this, and she starts harassing the woman. His wife by sending her, you know, different letters in the mail scandalous, type stuff. So he gets tired of that, and decides to take her to court okay before they get the navy. Maybe give me one of the contents of the letter. Right. I've even asked for them specifically from the some some court in DC. They said they don't have those anymore. Miss the magic those days how how that went. Interesting, though, we, we do have letters from Henry that talks about, you know, when he was trying to go through a divorce with his first wife and all right. Very interesting ladders is mailing these love notes. So the white for the man that she thought she was going to their correct. He turned out marrying somebody else, and they go to court. Yes. How do they get into court? So the court the judge Hughes in both out and basically just dismisses it and says you settle this. You figure this out. This is this a waste of our time. But he but by much see was suing him. Countersuit. So and you know judge this drops it all out about a week later, Venus sous Louis Davis for breach of promise. Right. So basically say, hey, you promised to marry me. So either you do that. Are we going to five thousand dollars? So and further research finds that Mr. Davis was a courier for the then which is treasury. So he was a courier and he was working for a retired army Colonel. So he wasn't making that much. And so. Our speculation is that when they the judge basically said told him to settle the thing out of court waxy they settled and it was dismissed. So they settled out of court. So I'm assuming that Malvina might have got fifty dollars from him. No more than maybe a hundred tops they ever speak again. I doubt not that. We don't ever dragged into court for running a brothel. Bawdy house. Yeah. They never got dragged into court there you only got dragged to the, the police station, I guess, to pay their quote unquote, five which was funding the town. I think it was seventy five or seventy seventy five bucks. They'd find all the madams and they say, you know, go back to work and keep making us more money. The brothels funded all the services that you'd have for the county. So you'd have trash pickup, you'd have livery stables. You'd have this sheriff's department his deputies. Okay. All of that got funded by these illicit services. He's been dragged in for boot lane. Now. That's a different story. Okay. So they wanted to arrest her, and they sent her to jail for bootlegging, but what they caught her doing was basically a misdemeanor. She was selling or providing spirits to people in her boarding house. They never caught her for bootlegging. But that was the charge. Melvina in the history of North Dakota is the only one to ever the last person to ever be arrested in that entire state ever for bootleg. And this is all the way through prohibition to as well. Have kids outside of Henry. There's speculation that she may have had two other children. And that's just based on her when she was arrested. She said that, but other than that we don't really know. Vein ah of of Fargo North Dakota. We'll be right back to discuss more details of her life. What if I told you? That you could stop the negative tape from playing inside your head. What if with seven simple steps, you could leave the pain of the past behind, and live every day, as your true authentic self. It is possible and you can do it the evil. Seven simple steps to beat emotional baggage, how to become hold healed healthy and happy shares how to resolve emotional baggage. And feel free to live through to your own personality, spirit, and character, transformed negative thinking into positive thinking and become equipped to boldly. Face your pass and resolve emotional pain. Get your free copy at that Amita live dot com slash import. And what we believe happened to Melvina. Is that the biggest crime she committed that made her infamous and that whole valley region was the fact that she never told anybody she was black and it came to light as how? Anyway, that's another piece of speculation 'cause I mean, we don't really know what turned for her. But I mean it's, it's it is plausible that, you know, someone found out, and I know with the Henry rake has she took him to court. He probably would have said, you know, she's running a brothel and she black, and you guys didn't know and it probably would all been. Oh, we gotta do something about that now. It's possible. But we don't know we don't know. Specifically husband was white. White from day to day what was moving his life life. That's interesting. I never gave that much 'cause thinking simply because in the sporting life running a boarding house like that it just depends. I mean you could be up all night all day, you know. So I don't know. I. I would think that when she's running the Crystal Palace. It was more than likely. Just entertaining guests. Entertaining guests throughout the day and evening, and bootlegging because what comes to mind is either miss Kinney from gun smoke or best little whorehouse, Texas, that Ed Dolly Parton in it. She she was the grind Madame. Okay. So she made sure that people came in, they had a good time. They wiped their feet that type of thing and having a good time that she have in a -tainer there or yes. Okay. She she she did detail. She would import musicians. Black musicians super form inside of the Crystal Palace. Oh, she did that. She because the Crystal Palace itself was something that was special in Fargo it was supposedly, you know, just as grand place. I you know. You really don't know because you don't have people that gave I witness accounts of being inside the Crystal Palace and how it looked, but it was modeled after Crystal Palace from Queen Victoria, right? But in the book, yes, in the book, I give it this field of a luxuriance, high end brothel based on brothels in Chicago, and DC of the time period, that were known to be this type of way they serve champagne. You know you had nice. She had chefs and cooks come in through as well to provide food for them. So it was it was it was in the hollow, which was the transient part of town, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like eating Popeye's anything like that. It was. Came eight good than it is. She entertain, folks, it was a entertainments that she had come through. They don't know any names that stick stuck out that were. Big time that wasn't Louis obstacle right, right? Yeah. I think some of the borders to look at the city directories, see who staying at our house. They'll say a musician here or some of guys so she had different people's living at our house. And I think she's to read someone I can't even remember what it was that the town wouldn't allow blackboard STAN hotels, so they would board with no Melvina at some point. But I gotta find out where that was. Interesting to. And by large a lot of the city. Ordinances, I it's amazing to me because there were other black madams in Fargo. She wasn't the only one. So that when they did find out that she was black. I'm sure that clicked in the town, as well. They said, no wonder no wonder this is where black folks and white folks all living together, you know, you know, under the same roof, no wonder, you know, so it's one of those things I reading this thesis that someone wrote saying that the white prostitutes didn't work for black madams, and I found that to be, I'm like, I think they work for whoever whoever whoever was lending. Yes, it mattered for Melvina. So I was like, when you're a prostitute, then you're in a boarding house. It doesn't matter who's running the boarding house, because if they tell you to go then guess what? You're going to be out on the street and you don't wanna be on the street. Pulls into town and gentleman from the stage coach goes over to the Crystal Palace run by miss Vena. They go in and Crystal Palace, because it has to be a description because some patron chandeliers this music playing just. They get to choose the entertainment of the evening. Yes. And then. Any idea how much money she rolled during this time she would run in this problem. I would once again, I would say that the prophets they made money, but that wasn't where she made her. I mean she had disposable income. Here's a here's the antidote. She bills, the Crystal Palace and it burns down burns down to the ground. She reveals that and re fits it within a year and a half. So where exactly where is this money coming from? Right. But she arrives in fog a with this money. Yeah. Bank. So it wasn't like it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I do believe that bootlegging. She's, she's forty by the time, she's really entrenched in in Fargo as well. So I mean, she knows the tricks at a trade, she knows how to get some money and every every property that these people are living in, she owns outright, so they're paying rent that working there and paying rent up to her. So there's one thing that I think. Touch on this, and it's my speculation that there's a there's a big difference between the Melvina that is the legend and folklore of the period and the region and the historical Melvina. It's a big thing, dif- different. And the story in and of itself is different to, I believe that once they found out there was a big backlash and for the rest of her life from nineteen o from nineteen hundred to the rest of her life, nineteen thousand nine hundred eleven they, you know, whatever they could stick it to what they did, you know, back and forth. When you say stick it tour, what are some of the things that she went through the constantly tried to get her on more bootlegging charges? Uh-huh. Throughout that time period from from nineteen tried to get her back. They even went to the extent of getting someone on a stand that was about to lie, and he was about to lie under oath. And then he forgot his lines and tolls and said so out loud, in court. Yeah. Yes. E. Yeah. So, so it ain't. They all they say, oh, well, you know, she's a Madam says, no, they, they were on the right track. She was a bootlegger just couldn't prove it, a lot of the people prior to that, that were supposed to show up for trial to testify Damon steer sleep disappeared. They never showed up. And each time she got dragged she got dragged there for bootleg for the most part it wasn't for prostitution. No dues for bootlegging. They knew data's couldn't prove it. They don't know what didn't prove what she was doing this. But what I always say is that she could make any money in North Dakota's us making money in Minnesota. So I don't know why the people in Minnesota were charging leg it because she was bringing the booze to, I guess she was bringing a boost from North Dakota onto Minnesota and just selling it popping up from there. I don't know. It's all speculation at this point, because we don't have anything to back it up. 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60 - State of the Premier League: Assessing Burnley, Crystal Palace & Everton

The 2 Robbies

59:11 min | 10 months ago

60 - State of the Premier League: Assessing Burnley, Crystal Palace & Everton

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I think that's great credit particularly to Germany. I mean I think we've seen the numbers. Rob Looks the country's done a pretty good job of containing the virus. I think they've always been ahead of other European countries in that regard and an A. So great news that Komo next weekend now from our point if he the premier league we know that both Johnson the UK prime minister on Sunday. It's GonNa make a really important address to the nation about. We assume coming out of the lockdown and again fingers crossed Rodway. Hoping there's GonNa be some positive news on the possibility of playing games behind closed. Doors a think the primarily shareholders meeting has been pushed back to Monday to see what Johnson says with. Hopefully you know some kind of guidance about when that might happen. It seems to come back and plan behind closed doors. You know about the neutral venues you know And when the Monday announcement happens the Monday meeting happens rub. Where if it's something big big news coming out will jump on the public record. Another podcast just to chat about what happened with boss Johnson and the primitive showers meeting absolutely show go will for social Drove ethic is against Jesse James in some respect. Because you look at them and you while respects that the well-managed that that reasonably comfortable position solidly firmly on Templates states nine points nine points beyond Chelsea in pools only takes on not just United States. So listen with nine games ago. Who knows all of us? Think the primarily joking about manages each just shown the GOP still on the question. I would ask him to sell it. Is it's been the seeming Baguette back say Somewhere down the road. Well I think first of all we'll get to that I think is important to note That he continues to do brilliant work. Brilliant work at Burnley Football Club. We know that they are in the on. I think three or four or five clubs robinsons of budget salary budget. They don't spend they. Don't spend a lot of money very often an think. Our member twenty five million pounds on Ben Gibson was one fifty million pounds on Ben Gibson was one of the biggest sign and so they they look around the lower leagues. He's doing amazing job. I suppose another question on for about two years before we talk about its future may be is is. He done everything he can do for. This club rob is is that Utah seating is him as a manager for Bernie Football Club. Can Anybody expect them to be tenth? Place in the Kremlin because this is he done as much as he can do for this club on a budget On a profile of play Go the league below bring plays in and I used to say if happened. Chino and schilling dots. June don makes players Bassett. Michael Caine was it was a much united. Kademi came into Burnley less than a million pounds to Abington big. I'm GONNA quiet Chainsaw Kosti Brent Certainly from the judge is made in baton John Hayden experiencing make some better sleep bombs. Chris Woods In terms of data Botswana was going isn't elaborate in insurance dodge. Great Job Dan as long as you feel safe in these guidelines tons of the finances. Could he do not saying job lacks role? You say academic Ream is additional until at least one Jogging Aston Villa Joe. It may be happy with Dean Smith now. Actually Bill is another staff and the finance and signs and could he go to after traits not earthy silently off imposed on his business villain. Made it get them. Talk Ten to to to to talk. Yeah I think so. I think I think I'm sure you agree with that. But I think so. Yeah I mean the reason of the jumped form of course another jump somebody who done a good job club. Bernie for a period of time has to be other clubs. Maybe it'll be bigger than Bernie will be interested now. I think we spoke before about shown diversion and terms of where he can go all that. You're ever going to see a talk. Six one of the big six trump's in England go it. I don't I don't think that's going to happen. Make them on that with Negro. You'll want to fool with nights evidence West Ham's Rav that next tier regarding the surgeon. Great in the moment but the bigger clubs of a big budget nearly seems to come on the radio when those jokes came across. Malaysia went bucket it western whether they couldn't get time off the MOCHA silver color. Names never be legal. Cvs compensation Yeah it's funny because I think that the the style that Bernie playing. I think there's a sense that while we want something a little bit more sexy than that and we don't want that kind of football club but I think what they will get is a manager that will keep the division that will avoid any big drama. Get players as you said doing better. I mean I is a great story. A AGAINST MILLIONS OF TIMES ANOMALY. Obits while brilliant guys are in a great job. I just a booming ten vice raw with what he's shown as well otherwise lost seats in this season that he's able to pull them through difficult periods and the question before his voice got an old. These players have bad runs towards the bottom of the league. Tables allow season terrible style this season. Yeah Yeah but last. Season's you go into Europe. Yeah yeah an unwieldy. Any did a gotten revved up again in that and they finish strongly in doing great now so yeah that's the thing for him. I think of Bernie God guide. It's perfectly match for them. We to on the Gretchen. Football's hotter look as we're trying to do it in the modern historical. Don't go into the millions and the style when you look through this lauds button playing. It's not that easy to baton plays. You can go in and would make them benedict told him about the next instead. What we have going to join a challenge to to improve. Let's start with the go. Keep those jumping left to go to us and Billy Nick coach now stoppage number one Joe Hawks Number Chew Bolt Uneven Little Bit massless. He took by Leeds. United Trust. Wave came up my go for him. Yeah good with. Jaylen is operatives day that they did experienced folks. Jim Probably looking at things. Down probably was a navy full years ago using listenable on bilking he contest Assissi. I don't think he's ready to just show a garden slippers on yet. I think you're right at thirty three years of age right now. Joe Dzhokhar Does E. Z. Content to help Nick Nick Pope's development partic- WANNA play for his last few years. And I think a legion night. I mean that's an some clubs that I think would still want to go for Joe Hasso. That's an interesting one. Nick Pope Rob does He. Stay IS GONNA BE INTERESTED IN NICK. Not going to be a tough thing for up to keep nick. Pope you know involved in the national team done really great job. He's He's twenty. Eight years of age is in a great age. I mean he's a really solid as a goalkeeper so I think goalkeeping situation. I haven't changed a robot this because with Nick. Pope Joe Haw Yeah I mean. That's a really nice combination of goalkeeper as just weather. You can keep one of them an Johanna. It's going to be happy enough to continue in that guy and I wouldn't be surprised if you're right and he's thinking you know what I want to be. Playing first team limiting must be frustrated. I'm vicious must be to play football somewhat. Yeah let's let's go to defense so in boxes you go a Bosley load Sailor on the left the meeting carrying long Ben Gibson Ben Gibson Bowling fifty minutes Really Works Out South strange enchanted Maine talk upscale been. The standouts told coffee. I think it will go to put like a little circle around. That might be looking out not could be awarded. Could be a lose lose him. Who in the kind of people looking to bring in so I look at the box listed them there? Ben Gibson's really interesting. Because if I mean expensive fifteen million pounds about twenty million dollars which is big favor. Burnley and he was really adored Middlesbrough and this was his chance in the permanent though. I don't know what's happened that some kind of falling out I think between the manager and Ben Gibson he He went back to Miller's crossing to train a injuries. I think in the time that so it's been a funny period of time. That was a a longer period plan. New Sat on the bench. I'm thinking I think he's a really good plan. So that's a weird one and is sometimes difficult to know what's going on there other than that setbacks. Fine the poor Bernie robbed the problem with Burnley is age. There's a lot of all plays the back right back. Got Circle Might Loton thirty pages thirty one. Ben Me Is Thirty Carolina's twenty nine through the team. That's all plans as well so right back to position the I think they should be looking at. I mean unless they WANNA keep a ton of thirty year old. Scrap the team but Sung Sean. Diet and the club a try and make a little bit. Young Ben Gibson was one power that the acid worked out. So far Chani Taylor. Twenty-six good age but rightback. Something now I haven't. I haven't spent a ton of time looking at targets route because I think what this club will to go to the lower leagues though go to to the championship. I any person I've got right back in. Tim's team is probably going to get relegated. Is I think you mentioned last week Max Errands. I mean. He's a different plateau. Sean Daish but in terms of right back. Twenty years of age McLaren's Robin Mattielo errands. I mean bonds is going to be thirty five. That's my concern at rightback is aging players. Just you're thinking about applies only to check out the culture the football Clo- and felt it's not about any great individuals surely fits team the path. You talked about Dynamic on New Wimbledon Gobi Catholic dressing room about the age in analysis. And I don't to pull him so one of the things I did when I was thinking too so -bility like a little bit more money. Depending Corona varsity teams. You might go down. Can we hunt pick some of that Ryan? Next plays gone an matching the numb thinking. Would he make the jokes a b? Might be also tyrel. Megan's Aston Villa join this team. I think mixup ed Give me three backup. James against some rain boys went along to you off. I think he'll go that. I think you'll get better off the burn up primarily for next season's England England. International is a good. Momma list of the other teams are going to get to is on my list again. I it's a great show and it's a brilliant son of a Burnley don't think they'll they'll give him in. Sims a salary in terms of the club what he wants. I I see that happening can get is quite good. Work him obliged showing that England players stole a dea playing currently nickel Playing Healthy in Jesse momentarily. Let's move to new gainey. It's not like wriggling will wait did Samy plays you westwood yet you Brady's Hendrix could Minson land Jim Brown brownhill really sick figured so much initiative of the month. Beta might be something doing little next level next level opportunity to not to play. Yeah if we if we break it up left side do i. Mcneil Twenty really good player warning aren't Globes mob looking at. Maybe I still I. I don't know whether they to be ready to jump in. From just show I think get more time at Burnley and Robbie Brady Twenty eight years of age? I like the left side of Midfield Sediment Phil Coke thirty with thirty year wash. Brownhill is a young panic. I think we're still city four years of age by a good signing. That's what we're talking about. What they do. Yeah actually down. Good age jump up. Know we can make your primly play. Jeff Hendrick complain the Central Midfield. So I think the middle of the park is something they might need a play rob a young player number George Brown somebody else when you look at the age of some of the other thirty if they fit lots and chuckle as a fit play and West injuries. He's probably ready to kick on both the thirty decision for the club. But I've been looking at essential midfield player until the right side. Jeff Hendricks been planned. Now you've got twenty nine Aaron Lennon thirty three about Scout Advice. Go DOWN TO TWO TEAMS. Probably got relegated again. Poor city yeah. A million of India Ltd Skillful Fan. Favorite compete place but difficult season plays at Norwich now again. Identify whether Sean Dyche will feel that. He's very different to what they normally go for says of a plan. I'd some excitement is a good age is plenty of muscle around him. In all areas of this team Burnley could could could use a little dynamic little playmaker that can take people on site the fans of their home games. I like Wendy when David Shout Kogel Joe Nonni. Jay Again is he. Quite the right table. Can't well though is a football as somebody to retain his a little bit more in Phil WanNa eat mostly in Chechen opinion jeweled. Nine physical attributes good size needed me stall maybe gun knows might help you finally lies in could soon the obstacle that you'll nine we talk forever about seeing him in training and not always shown die Because all of a union card house play complying not sign up out full barking. You're trying to you know you'd get in for good price. Rob Sally what the huge and I think about a bomber fraught and that was there. The didn't get some players struggle to get on with him wasn't favored when Sheffield United and it looks good at Sheffield United so different manager. Dan Different cub different minor. Journeys dumb. Well this could shout Jordan unlikely. The same thing doesn't got him out a double. Math can jump across steer. We know he's got some experience. Asserted got hung. Got To prove you can do is a good night with shout because it wouldn't be a big fee. Industrial Vinick relegated boomer. So it's a it's a. It's an interesting kind of like it. And and he's power you very diff- Talk Campbell robotic different sold player. But I like it strikers. Yeah I again. J Rigas thirty years of age. Thirty Twenty eight. I think between them and the Vedra and Chris Chris with is full strikers. I think I'm kind of okay. Rob Unless you're going to throw you to throw in. I you know in terms of I've wanted right back. I want to write a plan to field plan. That's three plus one hundred to this team to make it better. I'm still happy with Rodriguez. Chris would a nationally. Bonds IS MY FRONT CLAWS. Vija coming off the bench. I think that's enough an opera Thais elsewhere yet. Great the only thing I'd say Madrid saw it goes eleven goals. Bone six goals. It's it's you know we're not him around her spread them around. Its own to one biggest. We could go to an furnish kid in chimes. Pirated Spurs season-low. Mont fit is a Finnish. It might give me something different. Maybe stocks from the bench. Stalking fallen plays while the phasing. James would be happy to be out again. The buddy might be another seven goals up but a need no seven those in abandoned team 'cause coke With many sent a vaccine couple Megan from frontlines kind of Will say is just worries me. Yeah I know it made in terms of a creative skill for striker at the front plays vigil shopper. The neoplasia look I think parents. I think Judge Reno's got doubts about physicality is size out whether it's a right fit him as a planet comes up early image icy more to stay up and the way that they play more than this but No I you want something called. You've thrown as a striker. I've thrown in as if Wendy on the inside just to try make Burnley without losing what they are because obviously into tenth place in the primitive which is brilliant for them out. Think the manager WanNa changelings too much but yeah a general my since the whole the whole squad not bad a little bit aging a team that they could improve on trying to bring a little bit of flack but in general is a blowing Berlin efficient full. Get you know what they got me. That's Lynch Leagues. Non-point Kristen Nine Hunt Chelsea all six grandma just a bit difficult. Long Street. Yeah Great Awful go the other lifestyle good willing to go and team workouts in charge in lady he agrees in you just on a Nubia contract Is about to sign a new job and I've kind of it really is a special Hans. Whatever the heat throughout all rowing handles it deals with it. You know I'll lead Without going without goals he comes gets mid-table league or Kinda Chewy. Maybe all this year again got relegated. No shock it's goal against them around safety able he's a safe clemens at some point For the net. Who's the next person? But the amount of killing us like really capital of what you wish for the good guy and takes us in the league. I know people say always old Apple doesn't teach in Prime League. He's actually tried and tested it. Just a good manager I. It doesn't matter what ages he's a good bondage. Oh well organized. Very structured up the players know exactly what their responsibilities are on a team launch to say. You're right Robin is what is he now. He's seventy two or even seventy seven and route so tremendous that it looks good on the sideline but you're right Some gaps go to come in at some point but you know he is established club in the permanent right now that some weird seasons. Why WE'RE GONNA get relegated? They tried different style. Changes didn't work. He's coming instead of the ship. So yeah I mean. It's just Kudos to him eleventh place in the league table right now as Crystal Palace is your as you said can be up and down. I just I don't know just in terms of the upside rob if somebody else who was to go in that could it? Could you expect Crystal Palace Fans or club? Expect somebody to come in and do better than Roy Hudson. Is there a ceiling with them? A little bit like Burnley I. The city got to be higher than Burnley is a high amount of money. That's available is club and a high of budget where we a week is it going to be a spectacular effort to see Crystal Palace in the top six anytime soon. It's GONNA lead to finance a bit of announced the whole I look at this will drop on Youtube family. Fish knows the Schwab is every stay on plus In in this group they chat. What will people some people will policy will certainly because a change of style? Mccain your look a little bit more from Rather than their by defensive responsibility nine out to county team of style comes into it as well but which. That's that's going to be something that's going to change. Time with what rules do in this Cheating hoagies just about. How can we make make improvements in different areas in get the most from the people at the foot boulevard? Saint a couple of things are not able to to bring people in also thanked roby. Mommy Times from a city. Big night play to be going out to the US to escape to. Let's go from back to front showy. Okay well go keep us. We have to go. I mean you're right we're GONNA go through section team and there's a lot of all the plays and Wayne Hennessey bucket on the most you have a young zoom last something may be With trump shape league wanted these one of those women but about Chandana goalkeeper Radical agent will excited he. Kelly said by Twenty Nine Hundred Twenty seven k city full dance eighty to trump kings. Not Web one. Yeah me I mean I think again position Wise left-back Vinyl halts on redevelop probably twenty three years of age. I'm okay with art finale. Hope so very good player. There's Talk I can remember reading this last week about the a big European club coming in for Von. Yeah now so left-back is okay for policy. I'm like Anita robot. Job Will Thirty Mile. Kelly Thirty Win. Big Money did now be placed in going to the mock sirens. Tied would be the same again. That's what he rather go to Polish Bernie Mac sirens Things a little bit it chewed on. Yeah but he brings a managing and some attacking prowess going forward setbacks. Where I worry On the ages of their kings Try You makes you not between the child to running. You came in Don's lemon and gives you some stability Tomkins same came from those Stunned out timing visit McKay brilliantly but other than that they need something that needs something out some young so again if Crystal Palace. We're trying to be realistic about who they might get. I WANNA go to. The teams are lower in the in the league. And I've got three here for a robbery. Dan Entire means and Lewis Dunk three three Dan. Bern yeah you know. He's a versatile guy can play left-back paid left wing. Back a certainly. This is what he's six seventies of massive defender is twenty seven years of age. I think he's done well. I think you'd be a good sign. If opponents Tara gets on all my three teams. Tim's if that's all I need to get all of them so he's GonNa have some pick. Abe's three teams for me so I don't know whether we agree to go to Krystal. Punish Good Burnley loose dump some while. He's twenty eight is a little bit older but somebody's been a steady that's added goals from set pieces. The three players the the realistic the realistic for Polish to go for the Costco. Fool a Phil Jones player. Who Probably knows your time ons? Not Looking at his next Kobe. Tim's applying regulate influence. Could he kinda got go and take leadership old enough just to name of incommoded Inches Ages Phil Jones Rob Question? I would've show I'll tell you a more in Brooklyn the stove. Twenty still had those experiences is has been around. What about new CASTELLINA journalists outs? Yeah I just think Scott I did. I did think about him. Ronald Hopping at Newcastle in. Bago for big upgrades and things could he become somebody who if he's not gonNA play regular Matt Chocolate by know? I think he's going to be play a key role and they're going to add. They can add. I think he's one of the best defenders. Football Club is captain. The team isn't he I think he he'll WANNA stay. It could be exciting times for that club takeover. Yeah a good show. Good planner some well physicality pace aggressive on the ball. Good in the air. I think he'll want to stay around for Newcastle. So I think Phil Jones is entrusting you either. You know when you when you palace like you're either GonNa try and take somebody from a team. Struggling this lady getting relegated always going to be jump up to Polish or you go the other way where. Playa unless the honest about it Jones. Take him to step down from Manchester United. So that that's the ones you've got to be careful with because sometimes plaza take a step down and I always think of hungry. You know so but it's good. Shout cinemax on right back. I think for politics. So let's move into midfield. It's a little bit similar Miller Midfield Karachi's thirty years of age as Macarthur Coffees Twenty Nine Min. Avoid that you've done really wild holding is twenty nine leading So this is an Air Sean. Complain Their maximum may be played free so this option Stab Cup implies is 'cause cinnabar right back midfielder for me yes help. I'M GONNA Chuck in a couple of Bulworth players here. Central Midfield player. Louis Cook Twenty three years of age. He's back now from the body. Inge Footballer he bit He'd Be for me number one pick from Midland McDowell because he can play and he's got he's got good engine you know Boma is now. He was the son for know. It wasn't a yes. They didn't add about injury. Athen yes jinx this season. Yeah showing just before being June video really. Yeah so you help right. I think will be the If all mistake go phillies. He's GONNA play regulate in bill theme around in it could be in Fulton on. Truthfulness was not yes. Let Jefferson liver saying Jackson Lava Jefferson Leno Bit hot-headed relic humane mobile out. What's useful in? Maybe not different enough. Maybe not maybe not unless players Louis Code. But he's he's a physical tiny Chitwan John Mcginn so good for parents might is is in my next thing. Ya Don't think we should not lock any ambition about guns chill to begin ability Listen I I would absolutely my job is Crystal Palace football. I would be trying to get out of his agent and talking about it. I would just be surprised because I really like John Mcginn. He's you know you'RE NICHOLAS H. You could be one okay. This is Jennifer. I think we'll have a little bit of GonNa move Nothing may south full amount of junk chosen. It was injured when boxing change to get two goals. Eight league goals this season. Kristian about Jack's a one family goal below so hope plays a lot primarily goals successful wolf saw. Okay Mr Moss. Twenty seven years of age three goes three assists face like think the Fraser smart boom. It's Muslims even. I just think it's time for wealth and Anna. Know he's across law than a No. He's one of the road in Anniston. South London in eastern great guy is beyond the chose Absolutely get lot lap just Play his moves on the biggest clubs in. I sometimes goes off the Bali. I think some of will's Going now I'm getting the sense that he sailing Camman. I'm bad indiscreet. Now you sit down. Sit down sit down looking in the eyes and see what he wants. Because I mean I didn't have this. I did notice in terms of what I was planning for Palace. I did not signing him. Didn't have selling book. You know. Been Time to seasons body on Teammate off time Appointments Masoom sale in early from which were having to go. We're not game Felicia models based Cia Good Faith and rob. So you're saying Ketchikan years of age now time for him to for you to cash in and your your comfort you can get a better production guy. Costa Rica. Australia says isn't good numbers. But we know he's capable of more than you say the the attitude is right yeah. His performance has gone down and it could big a good show. I'll listen to that but you got a fabric money that robot if you got if you've got some replaces lined up. I'm looking at center foolish because I need new gold Guy Will be entrusted Non Chew Deal Dany genie brings me goals. Brings me personally? I'd say I'd go down to the championship and not take one of metric. Twenty three goals soulful will only walk Kim's as a young kid Now trae goes quickies. Very Callum Wilson Aspirin a fool of job going to whatever they twenty million on him. Just Saint Young's if he brings many goes out you can build one at and use that money to go and find him. Infield play and maybe Cutler star. You'RE GONNA lack in why there is no rob. Amir the white plans. Jeff up you've got Andrew Townsend the an Max Mayer is passed. I've got here and between those and Zaha and SCHLEP and Jordan to be fair Robbie's got some galaxies out of good season. You you ever GonNa get pounded striker scoring twenty. Goals is the way that they play because the structure because the safety in the White Roy. Hodgson sets them up. So I don't know I mean you'll you'll bring another striker in that. I mean Christian Ben Tech and now we choke China by for it. Looks like he's got a dig. Did he sign that extra? Contracting Nolan is twenty nine years of age at least twenty nine by the way. It's not I mean that's not that's not issue absolutely flying now is easy going on rob is it? I mean is he what we see again on the things we talk about all three full years ago. Great Aston Villa little bit assigns a liberal for not showing Hussein in last year's role in this while you're looking at rolling out nineteen villa in twenty twelve twenty was Out You know Jim. Based and all that stuff meaning is is not a steady. The BELKIN Bambi arms supplies. I think the only reason he wasn't allowed to leave the club is because I've been lead after great to get somebody in replacing Rake Situation. I was to be in. It's tough difficult. I mean I haven't touched the frontline I've kept saw in in chosen overseas in Dunham. What's going to happen Joe? No you Christian bench on the will fifty. If he stays some not thrilled with. I am not thrilled with it. I'll be honest with you but I know I've gone for a little bit more younger four back again for more creativity in midfield to how dot frontline a more from towns and I want to see more of Max Meyer. Keeping Zahawi left inside unless when he has a meeting with US law. I WANNA move on down. That changes a lot. Because that's a lot of money. I just done right by bringing in strike. You know what you're GonNa do for the left sided player. I guessing love things at work. While the Polish intimidate goalkeepers sexual actual midfield. It just never have any new convinced from. They may still going on with housing housing logging. Just twelve goals to not grid could be a whole different elite twenty six twenty six. Is it twenty six goals exclude Wants a new striker parents like him. What's Yeah let's move on the final today to very interesting club Breeding Club. One of the favorite places died you take my last ever primitive. Minutes were Goodison Park with Charlton. Athletic got Fi- injury or hamstring injury and long story didn't play in the Premier League. Everton Carlo Ancelotti rob four to. I think there's no question that he's added a lot in his time with the football club as and complicated things I think he's added. Onto Duncan Ferguson. A did with the system to strikers with bags of energy but we know that the ownership of this machinery wanted to be to be even better to climate table even more not mid-table they want to be challenging for the top six. There's money to spend your always thinking for forever tune and what we thinking about. Colorado Djilas is something wrong that he's GonNa stick with the seasons is something that's GonNa satisfy him with what he's done is being asked to grind a little bit and to govern a pain in the transfer market to find something that. Everton funds are going to be really excited to say or is it more of a short term thing? Franchetti that you might stay around for very little. I think I think when he one St Lead He's a truck six manager. Now the question me is own advocate or cannot be chops Explo- the manages relief in companies. Probably not football club now. On Safety Mega Say being a limited pool and at the Lockman Book I say a three phased approach say chain To get things to get competitive challenge intimate chopsticks Rosamund three phases lassie. Colo into a scene. I think to keep the manager caliber hockey. You can have the finances pool and I think he will give you the time to build to build on you. Know in his last season It's nabet bitten is never been contentment with what's happening the full time for. I think there's a belief that we've got Kinda guy who gives Now a kind of ambition once. Yeah the comfortable nature of the club now knowing that they have got the right manager that it was a great get to bring him into the cab on his initial work and he's just waste carried himself didn't has been very very good so that's good. Of course he'll want new players rob and as we go through. This squad went through it and it's like I n not bad. Yeah he's not not bad and yet decent young I. It does need something and we're going to get a fresh as we go forward. But just just starting in the backline bubbly goalkeeper Jordan. Twenty six years of age. So there's no no reason to change him has not a great season is made. Mistakes is a hothead emotionally were as sometimes the way he can go off a little bit Backup goalkeeper settled primly the Dutch goalkeeper supremacy experienced thirty seven years. Might Neil young money to bring in some laugh now maybe but I think my benefits with mid onslaught see. I think he will not go to get into his head a little bit and calming down in. I think he might become Abacha. Okay we're to be lines that you don't have to be gone to go to. Cook so David Seaman and it was Bob Wilson Told ME DAVID SEAMAN. Use Love it in a game if he did not. Do you treat buffalo. He didn't have to make say him. And Bob will go out on a pitch off doing. Can you got feces? Redick extended one of his strengths. He didn't feel to get involved in the game when I say doing so. If things died in some way superman stagno know it's a good point is a bit is a drama is a drama queen. Anne he you know it's like one of them. There's this one and then the next season the next game can continue increasing butts given what they means. We go for the team. Thinks he's in good shape. You Trust you've got to trust him to get into line and most Not Simple but interesting so cold. Meta botch Baynes last Bach. And I'M GONNA go lot chain Meena. Holgate show was. I said no central. There's only three Santa Bucks really and I think we can agree. That Mason Holgate is been excellent setback. Michael Keane has been in and out Jerry. Menas of injuries good either twenty-five so they definitely need send about. It's the same guys made because we're talking about talking like this part in the last part about teams in the same area. We're talking about plas- our listeners and viewers will will know about seen so it's the same ones and you talk about. We both talked about tyrod innings. Yes and Burnley but he would love to go to Everton tyrone wings from Aston. Villa Everton has to be that has to be a an attractive proposition on both sides of it. Other names again. Nathan I K Bom. We've talked about before Robin good plag- good embiid good. Setina bag in my opinion for Everton Bit James Holcroft you another one. St. Same kind of guys A lot more money to football cup and Burnley photography and timings. They're struggling so that's the three that's three Va. You've got a lot more holgate. Michael Keane three is not enough. As a polity like K. A lot say. Ego Cutler Weight Class Jalen Good on the ball over battling stuff ghost gate and young. You're the one nothing up mentioned West like in big physical. Think good money. July Angelos standing Could grow into really big so young. I'm with you I definitely need one. Big names sent about to go in to to start to change things in and give them a focal point. Yummy mean as you say quite What competing looks like? He's nervous at times makes no thank. You know a full Sent San Bible after seeing his development goes Positions Look Deena is brilliant left by right gap gray signing and. That's I mean that's what these clubs the more of lucrative clever good signings difference. Elaine Baines thirty five now but why not why not continue to be a backup to Leucopenia? Right back worries me a little bit. I haven't got a big change here. Shins called strong and Sylviane. Also he did. I WANNA see more of I WANNA see. I'm just put a question mark right back for now for next season A. I'm looking at it but anybody bringing now. Roll this medicine. I'm thinking they have the potential to gun. Plan top six even pop four. Because that's why I can also so I spend money a million plays in that we don't. That's why Nathan are gay and Tyler Rings. I think can do that. You no longer term. I know some people disagree with that but the has to be steps to get to where they want to be. But I still want to try and sign players. I think it could be up to play at that level. So as you're about four so we definitely want to add a setback at Emerson now midfield Robbie Earle interesting. Soup is a lot of people. Throw this slide. Less the older ones okay. So call yellow yellow highlighter looking to offload in yet. I've been Dow thirty years of age. But but I'm not I'm not him is okay. Andre Gomez but from his injury remarkably well is twenty six great again like him. Davis Twenty one really liked him as well jumping Gabon Ghana. Twenty would really see him. I'm assuming much often station. Chill good news coming out of that so I want to. I want to bring in a central midfield player. Rubio right you wanNA bring him. Once we talk about the price foods we talk about potential for Senate midfield. Unless you feel a good area for bodies won't want to navigate. It depends on team going. Let me see where you're going but I know that again. Just look at the reports. Alan Brazilian at Napoli again. What we call on shelties been caught about sixty five million pounds. That's what's been talked about locally. We're going again for the about so. It's three four one of already talked about so. I often Lewis Cook yet. Wouldn't be my foot for this client for where you'll saying if two full in adding yet another plan. I just particularly like rob. I think this player a maybe you might disagree. I think I think he's really talented. Douglas Louise from Aston Villa Manchester City on loan. European football is twenty. One years of age is called power. He can play a little bit. I said to you before Robin Studio watching w Louise is a little bit for me under the radar. I like him the last player from Southampton Central Midfield player Pierre Huyghe Power Compla- experienced I think good enough to step up a level and played for Everton doesn't become a schneider. They knew loses himself. Or I say I'm not feeling Douglas. Louise Sang money that you know you've seen a little bit more. We maybe the May have a lot so concentrated on. Louise just doesn't fly. Maybe central visit is early is earlier. I mentioned it's in some ways. It could be a bit of a gamble but the talent of a young player big future I I think safety is Joe Mcginn. I'm Jay Kimmel a gun on going of my front plasma admired might as well as you probably savings on a front players to get in the Senior just being just feeding while colds. That move that if you want to move to the to the White Plaza Front assistive So we go Schaulson we'll go Niaz double a seeing stone now now probably time to move on moist. Qian's helping the pitch immaturity. Everybody tells us he's a play in Monrovia. Events is a lousy work with him in restaurants in the World Cup sedan. Chesting one. I think he's trying to if I Julia. The market to be Yellow Lines. Lewin show promised onto edition. It ratio is gives us great options complain in visions on woman's something different in Noble. I wanted a bit. Golda sparkle yet. I'm going to give you. I'm GonNa give you so again. Strikers Calvin done Britain no problem there him and Richardson Rachelle. Twenty two years of age. I love and I think there's more to come from him. Your Voice Kane is a question mark again whereas his header is twenty. It was it was a big fee. Like I WANNA. I want to give him more time. Wise Yellow Marker Years of age We'LL TRY WE'LL TRY TO MOVE HIM ON. Yarmulke feel Fisher one time for shakeup and another yellow Markelle. Also this by the way I'm left side of midfield not because it to a Bernard twenty-seven still like he gives inconsistent practice of goodness guilty. Simpson move on time. Tub Great upgrade to make no not yet no going mobile not where we go dude age manager. They can bring him on two hundred hundred to disregard to make so in terms of looking for. I think we're looking for is a little bit of bit on the trump. A couple of some. We've mentioned before one is different to a different. So Joel Mcginn. Yeah yeah try by no question beyond my first phone calls John Mcginn from villa. Sorry fans but is a is a is a Brillo footballer. Some Internet average could do if. Because you're looking for a little bit of that. A child can well had we not. The top of my list is another planet chewed. We haven't talked about Rubio. And if we're GONNA give it a fair Walker wide player and I want to wipe plaid different to feel. I want to why play the scarlet obey cleverness and got a buddy injury. Fullness David Brooks Twenty years of age the his buddy injury before that quality production talented different. Obviously he's a supply again. I young players or most of my picks up mainly young David Book somebody. I'm interested in my last one. I'M GONNA throw. Europe is could be controversial. And there's no question I'll hold my hands up. He's had a nightmare season place. Go GO GO ZEYNEP. Lungs while is playing. He's planning in East London right now. You're say this great guy. As if actually Dan Philippe and listen under singles mental wild trump's Egypt footballer infinitely various football. We have not spoke. That's indicative I choose so lead. Pay Understanding guessing also Mass to. He's thinking all you thinking say measures snobbery way from oxeno is gesture building chain around. You Kumon a complaint. Hell let you down. He'll let you on a week of we want Gold Coast. We will manage. It knows he's not going to be the most that advocates kind of football club. Way could go rob because they could love him. You've got to build the team around. In the whole resurgence of recent. It's been about energy and back to return and get the ball implant playing and you're saying we joe close it down a name. They're going to do in. The last of pitch no asked a group that was one of the best. There's no question the you've mentioned the most naturally gifted tons of ANCELOTTI legendary from management that you have got to build the team around him so you'll you'll bernards and you'll Mcginn David Brooks you. Ain't you have different types of if you have seen many artists not of soldiers particularly Evanston. That could be problematic. I I wouldn't want to go out. It's a bribe. Shout Rubio risky. I mean funding you. You're hoping also pay off his wages. I would think to get him out. You're GonNa do something like that if he understood moves not was mellowed. Sneaky one announce a jet football in napping in various why so quantum so poor is a limited Berlin the season before this one war player. Something to talk about James Missouri guys. Yeah we have the ability to Lachey your again. A an unusual type not Wise hungers like probably pretty high to prove salvator. Play out good job. Clearly from a student not want any young so younger Is a little bit more during? If he's if he's not new he's in Could be cooling. Yeah Yeah I mean I like that a like it because I I'm on my be wrong. United might want him desperately and you might do it from my T. E. S. Dot united kind of gloss showing. If you're like. Yeah but if no he the really I mean again ability. He's an artist. He's a real artist. But it's a good shot. Joe Greenwich is a good shot for Everton. If you know if they WANNA to get to why they WANNA be. They got sued him. Out is the the the do it and work and again manager John British outside a little bit a history of going off the rails a little bit and emotionally young Lowest Angela. Those gray is I mean. That's just an auto shop as well so I think we both feel in the same thing rob about what could do with an is a little bit of quality and it is to build around some of the other players that they've got a no strike as you say. Cavalier in Charlotte they're there. They're kind of their number nine night. They got some ability in some skill particular. Shali but nobody technicality. Around Goma think would really help ya to get RID OF CIGARETTES. Sin and woke up. The the riddick been good on time. Run out to the baggage and sometimes you got to be a little bit ruthless. I just got to be some some interesting talking times. It goes from Portland Jalousie to the middle of the night. Lead comes in to get themselves competitively on me to the top states dramatically often cooler day. We look back and say the nothing exciting times made just three Darby Mos if any users break from yearly on Monday where we know the League teams only team that we'll do cast and bring you up to date with over like these news next Wednesday will be the NBC shot them. Show them. We'll go into more detail about law. Research Project reached. Think calling to try and get the family season twenty nine hundred twenty twenty next. Don't throw Robbie's will be a deep dive into our next week. James Broughton to yes you can see. Nineteen I think is going to be just in new manages new onus new money to possibly new money new optimism not thinking for the time so again not one for now. I'm Oh he's must've together when the two French hundred francs listening space. Ouseley make and it's goodnight from him.

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180. Angela Barnes - Piers Morgan is a parent!

Made Of Human with Sofie Hagen

1:18:16 hr | 1 year ago

180. Angela Barnes - Piers Morgan is a parent!

"I've never done anything in my life. I couldn't back out of if it got too much. There's nothing in my life even the dog and I love the dog. The dog's not going anywhere but it's not as frowned upon to rehome dog. If you can't cope everything I've done is got an exit strategy if I need it. And that's how every day of my life and and the thought of doing something that doesn't have that I'm not into a new are listening to made of human also known as the move Pod podcast hosted hosted by SOFI shaken. Who is a Danish comedian? Aw It turns out Hello Hello Hello everyone and thank you for listening to my podcast in this episode I will be speaking to the incredibly nice. Angela bans and I'm going to say two things about that. And I I want to say a big thank you to. It's all the new patrons that I've had this month Emma and yet Dominica the cats. Hey less the fan maxi road. DM Libyan Riana. I don't know if it's the Riana but you know you never know you never know I just realized I can just I mean this is not me you know. They're not old friends of the hostages. People who've decided to give anywhere between one and more us us. I don't know how much a dollar but it's good and say thank you for signing up and becoming patrons and of course if you are a patron you can go to who patriotic compost as moped which D.. And you can listen to the extra bits that I recalled with the With the guests have on. You can also download my to stand up shows offer free and yeah could essentially sign up. Listen to all the extra bits down of my shows. Free and then Actually never pay but that would be very sad. Wouldn't it but you are free to do that if you can't afford anything But the whole pint of of having the Patriot so that I can live live. A little can do the going to fall to do the podcast. I had Quite a breakthrough in therapy therapy recently. meaning that everything has gotten a tiny bit more difficult. It's of course hats. Explain without giving you the my my thirty one years of of personal history and all the details about mental health. Which I'm sure some of you would be absolutely fucking into essentially essentially essentially what nothing actually changed in my life right but there's something about finding out what it is that you're actually dealing with that? I mean it's sort of like realizing that you've been dragging around this huge block of cement your anti entire life and as soon as you're aware that that's what's happening that no one else carrying a big block of cement like I. You know what I'd rather not carry it actually. I think I'm just GONNA stand still a bit. It's sort of that feeling but of course I still have to do things. which if that's not the mantra tre life right Still have to do things and then get this is the most. I'm over thirty thing I've ever said. I then have a pulled in my sciatic nerve. I didn't I didn't want to know that. Those nerve called the SCIATIC nerve. I'd I would have to go through life without knowing that there's a fucking nerve going. I'm from whatever top of my head to my toe and that's fucked now so everything hats. I'm genuinely I've got to back. The thing is that I put on so I sit up straight win by my desk. I feel so old and the and then I stopped my twice and it might be broken. I'm not sure I will figure it out so next week I'm going to the GP. And I I don't think you can ask for three things at once. I think you had to have one appointment thing but I I'm going to somehow zippy like right. I need brain medication. And also it's my toe broken and also can you fix my back. I am miserable pessimist what I'm saying. I hope you're doing pizza so I mean maybe it's just because it's January. Well you'll be listening to this in February. It's the end of January now but oh my God it. It's lasting forever. If you listen to this in February if it ever becomes February you might never listen to this because it'll still be January forever. That was campaigning. You're going to enjoy this episode with Angela. She's incredible obviously he's incredible. I don't know why it took him so long to get her and she didn't i. I only podcast comedians. Telling stuff and it was a wonderful treat to have her on. There was a thing I don't know how I feel about saying it Um well had a not a run in. That's wrong what I fucked up right in two thousand fifteen. I fucked up. I had a joke where I jokingly only mentioned Angela and my my point of view is that Angeles. Obviously the nicest person so to call her prick in a joke. I would assume everyone could. Let's see I was to prick right but that's not how the world works. That's not how people work and I realized that a lot of people heard that and thought that I was genuinely calling Angela Prick because Angela was a prick and Angelo was the one point this out and I was devastated. I both because I'm very bad at being confronted. I'm very very bad especially bad of finding out that I've heard someone that is and I think a lot of us are very bad at that everyone. WHO's not a psychopath path? Right But I oh my God I was so and it was in Edinburgh emotions. Were already high and I immediately stopped doing the job immediately. Of course I immediately. Can you stopped. But I felt really sad about it because Andrew is such a nice person and for me to have made anyone ever think that she wasn't made me feel very sad so I think with Angela Have Lega twitch of guilt which is not. That's not an angelic. She was super cool about it like immediately because she's a nice person. I'm still like answer. Sorry about what happened six years ago which is also not Angeles problem that I uh-huh keep reaffirming that I'm fine but Andrews amazing and you're going to draw this chat after the compensation is set to enter that there was a point I think in the beginning maybe also a bit later. 'cause we talk quite a bit about Like not having children or having children or children and a giving birth and all of that and I think because it was such a such a casual hashtag compensation and it was such a a complex thing to talk about without heading anyone I et Cetera. Afterwards I think we used language language. That was quite binary and Trans EXC Trans Exclusionary. What I'm saying is I think we sets Something like women have children. Do you know what I mean and I spoke to after sounds like I think I'm going to have to say that on the podcast that well I I as I said. It's make sure she wasn't like yes only make enough because that would have been a huge problem and then wouldn't come out but she was like Oh fuck of course shit yes. Please please say that. Say that. Of course of course not only. It's not just women who have children as as people with the womb and men they're men who have wombs in there women have penises and not wombs and they're also women who have wombs whether wombs don't work so it's not not even old women with wombs can have children and there's a whole caveat thing but So just to reassure you that both men engineer. We're not subs. And we fully believe that that it's people with with womb. What were the kind of children? And that's not about gender but I think the language might sound different. So that's my disclaimer. My Lit Lem trigger warning my little. We fucked up a bit but we still think the conversation is worth putting out just know that the implicit listen the implicit the language. The whole thing does doesn't reflect what we actually believe. I know you'd know this but I do need to say still because it's painful to hear was like that if you're If you don't know that the sound makes sense I'm circa rambling. It's it's been a week so there's nothing left to say really other than you know it's It's starting this week at the end of January and we'll continue on I think by the time. Listen to this. I think I'm going to Oxford tomorrow. And the day after one of which is sold out and then I'm just going all over the UK till June go surfing dot com for such to to see the the rest of the dates of get your tickets sign up for my newsletter and all of that anyways I cannot even see how long have been talking for. Imagine it's like two days so please enjoy this episode with the amazing Angela Bands for the people who you might not know who you introduce yourself. I'm Angela Burns and I'm a comedian. Still feels weird saying joking. I'm not it's what ten years in. Why don't you just you only at ten years ago this year on my first ever open spot so yeah yeah ten? Hi this I mean you do very old and you're right I really but yeah no ten years but it still feels weird saying comedian. Does that's the thing that those other people are isn't it. I feel like you said we were just talking about my first podcast. Yeah telling stuff and I just I feel like you set. That wasn't that dog. Just say he did say uh-huh if you keep waiting for someone to come in that's jus take on the shoulder and there's been a terrible mistake. Yeah it's Snip post-injury it's rife in pink but you're doing. I mean obviously much better than you were six years ago that it looks at that. I'm a woman with mental health issues. I'm going to get evidence watts. Beal the which is at least the first question? You should ask which is basically said with the idea that this this conversation would have been so different even if we had yesterday or tomorrow even a week ago. Do you know because of the very particular way our brains are right now like the head space. Were in what happened on the way here. All of those things. So where are you right now in your life in your head emotionally personally. Well we meet New Right now. It's so weird because it would have been very different. I think just a week ago but right now right in this moment things feel pretty good. I just had to me to my agent. I always come out of those feeding goods because they always say what you what you want to say. And and yeah. It's Christmas goes out but it is nearly Christmas and a Yeah good I've just got a job. I'm really happy about getting and so right in this moment you've got me on a really good day. Yeah we'll see if we could change that during the course of the right now. I'm feeding the elder thinking. Yeah Yeah we'll see. That'd be teased by the interesting when you did the. The the PUCK my other podcasts. The I guess you're right. Six years ago I just remember to households living in Yeah Crystal Palace's that must have been about six years ago Iraq. Yeah Yeah I think so. You think you'd baked just making things up. Yes yes we continue to get you. So what's new so when I heard even Crystal Palace anymore I live in Brighton and I think probably last time we spoke. I was single. And you know just so they probably were yeah. So Hey Matt my father-in-law we've been together five years now which has just flown by. And I feel like he's been there forever all poppy a little puppy Tina named Tina Belcher after Tina Voucher from Bob's burgers and she'll be one on Christmas Day and I always swore like Matt and I swore where we got the puppy. We're not going to be those people who call each other. Mommy and daddy a dog. We're not going to be those we are we are. She's my baby. It didn't really put because it's her birthday on Christmas Day. I bought her both a birthday present and Christmas present. That's good yeah. Because she caught in south of yeah of course it somehow gain consciousness issues. She knows I didn't care enough to give her a birthday on Christmas. Because there's no way you're projecting any it's so funny because I am quite open about talk about how I I don't want children. I'm forty three now so it's very unlikely and I've never wanted children and I'm very open about that is funny how there's obviously something in in me. Hey that needs that needed an outlet for certain behaviors and that has come out with my dog and actually friends of mine that have dogs. The ones that don't have children Trinh treat adults very differently to the ones that do. Oh Yeah I think people are not they treat that does battery but families where there's the dog is very well loved but he's also child hi old whereas in the farmers children are wits a child. It's part of our family. Would you remember when you became aware that you didn't want kits. I think really I because it's such a thing the not supposed to say as a woman that you don't kids and if you say in your twenties people go no you just haven't worked out yet you way way ill code and I bought into that so okay I'll wait and it'll come and it just never came and Got Spicer mid thirties when you're wrong if it's GONNA come come soon because otherwise it's going to be pushing it and and then I met Matt and we. We were thirty seven thirty nine when we met. And so. When you're that age and you meet someone do you have to have that conversation pretty quickly and as we did have a early on and he was like? I don't really see kids in my future and me neither and it was like a massive way off because I thought I was going to have to make that decision really quickly and and and that hasn't changed a- and to say that that never or I I never have those moments of like I am physiologically women so I have a womb and sometimes hold a baby that wound leaps by does that little somersault and the whatever hormones is this is amazing but then reality kicks in and I go. Oh it's not amazing at three in the morning when it screaming. It's not and it's not what you really want. This is just a physical thing that's happening but it's not what you mean it's cute. It's cute cute baby. But they'll grow up to be teenagers. Cube goes it'd be the so long and such. I've never done anything in my life. I couldn't back how how of if it got too much. Then there's nothing in my life even the dog and I love the dog. The dog's not going anywhere but it's not as frowned upon to give a dog to arrest to we home dog. If you can't cope everything done is got an exit strategy if I need. And that's how my life and the thought of doing something that doesn't in half that I'm not into it and also I just think I I know I also have a lot from having the dog like anxiety. He's a big thing in my life and the dog gets to be the focus of my anxiety and I have to sort of step back in Matt has to tell me you're being you're being. How how? How does that manifest? We'll just things. I get frightened. That she's GonNa get attacked by a bigger dog all that she's going to send we'll go out for what there's little dog park where we live and it's really beaufort. Massive poverty is all fenced off. So they just run free and she meets. She loves playing with other dogs. But I'm convinced in my head. Every single dog in there is going to be the one that tax in and and the things you find if Douglas play with the other dogs that's cool and she deserves that socializing time and that she loves going up there and you can't wait to get this will have to to get past that and some days are some days. You'RE GONNA have to take our face today because these intrusive thoughts just play out of her and I just think that's with the dog and I know I would have that same process with the child yet. That's GonNa fuck up that child forever and we know that that sort of behaviour does fuck up the children. Yeah and this is one of those things. Where if you then and if you didn't have a dog that anxiety would find another? Oh yeah always something. There's always a focus. It's often just so may but now the dog's provided another focus for the desire to there's always something and I know that that's part of who I am forty three. That's not going anywhere. That's it's not GonNa you know I can manage it in various different ways but it's part of who I am and actually I felt a responsibility to to not maybe fuck child's Losch. I should because I felt like I should it. I'm just hyper aware of that. And and also now when I have those occasional final Abbas occasional moments of maybe. Maybe I've made a terrible mistake. It policy's very quickly and also I think even if now and I did so go actually chilly we meant we should have had kids this mistake. The thought of having a baby now. I'm tired anyway. Like tired is my default setting and I think Ajab doesn't help as a comedian because we have routine I get into that sort of routine but also I think just being in your every forty something I speak to. It's like Oh yeah. Wake up tired or go to bed. Tired I'm tired and the thought of putting your newborn baby into that mix. It's like miss this very tired baby. It'd you'd have to be a really quiet so by get my people think they've you don't want children. You hate kids and I find that upset because people say I don't don't want to hear about their children or don't meet children or don't feel my friend. Your children are part of who you are in your life. I love you. I'M GONNA end up your too. I'm not a monster. It just because I didn't want to have my own children. That responsibility for myself doesn't mean love Kitson really love also being years walkaway. Yeah exactly Yeah I love I love to brainwash some some slight because you can bring worship. It's brilliant. You can tell them anything. That's great yeah my my best friend cast in. US grew up with when onslaught what she's got three kids and their feedback skins i. I'll say that because they are the ones I've known their whole life and they know me and they're just beautiful and the middle one dominate is. I mean if he it doesn't become a comedian. I'll be astounded. But he's very the other to a very academic can vary sort of straight whereas a mess and I love him. He's a hot mess and he's brilliant each thirteen now and I remember telling him once when he was about eight or nine. The I was the boss of London and it just came out this thing. 'cause I lived in under which we him go to visit music deal and a what do you to and the boss of London. It just came out and then this thing for years I I was the boss of Thought the Queen worked for me. He thought at least he's actually tell them anything. Believe it. It's great so I'd love kids. It's I love you but like you say I don't. I don't feel the need to put my gene. You don't have that sort of. I must continue this line because actually talk line on from so. Let's just enter. This and I feel I think this is exactly the same way because I remember thinking oh I guess now probably will want them at some point and then my friend had baby. It was the first baby in my friend circle and I came to see her and the baby baby in well all tiny phase slum. Soften they look at you. And everything's Pethick but I was there for a few hours knows I think this is. Is this Dan now isn't it. You'll never because when when I thought of kids would be like in glimpses I'd be like Oh that be you know I. Would you know the first time writing all this montage of all these glorious things. Then it's like oh no wait. It's it's forever river this constant and I was just a WHO this is no no I don't think so. They have no respect for hangover response. Talking hanging over. I've learned. I genuinely believe my sort of knowing I don't kids was because I was twelve and my brother was born so I've come a member when he was born and Swiss highschool out of your baby doll and it's going to be amazing and he didn't sleep for two years and he screamed and he was. It was hell it was hell. No one's getting any sleep. Everyone was uptight and I love my brother dearly but I think because the reality of having a baby is beating my hands twelve of every time I think about how you say other than when they look at you when they get the win. They have one of the most of the time when they're not doing those things and your just there and so it's the luck. Remember my mom just being able to talk to an adult And the repetition of my brother when he was a toddler watched the same sort of kids. TV show over and over again and I would go. It's actually driving me mad getting my head. I'm losing my mind. And all of that stayed with me and I think every time I thought the felt the flutter of of sort of maternal longing. I've gone but remember or you're not all that stuff so so. Yeah I'm a great godmother have have musical Muslim brilliant people have stopped being like Oh August thirty one now we are going to be like this is going to start soon see. I'm coming out the other side of it now. Which is really nice? Because for the whole of your thirties you sort of get people. Oh and then I think when I got together the with Matt Accidents Thirty seven people all maybe no now. I'm forty three people either. I mean because I talk to my stand up and stuff about neurotic. He's even knew do that. I want kids. Or if they don't know they I can't and don't want to ask. You always seem to me as long as you're Oskar and in a way people should should assume assume but it's worth knowing. That is not always a perfect question to awesome okay. We'll be people who who does not want you WANNA has always. I mean quite my own material but there's never understood why people said. What do the kids like it smarter because to some people? That is a really big upsetting question. We're asking questions upsetting you know and I find it weird that people don't think oh actually. Maybe I shouldn't ask that you know because maybe it's GONNA upset person that people but people do they see you in a Kaplan they go. ooh Tiny narrow your business. Yeah it's a weird thing that we as a society decided it's absolutely fine to to ask people about yeah and the whole thing about having babies seems to be very in our society very sort of in public ownership uh-huh stories of a pregnant women. Just people just touching. Yeah all my friends who are who have have babies now. The the way people talk about the the way they raise the babies it is so intrusive is so scary. Pregnant people just can't put their hand on their belly. Don't touch watching me just touch your belly so when you don't know how is that. Okay Yeah I think it's part of the cult of the and not by far is not all parents of course Hashtag Nado parents but I think they're up some people who like I know people who went to school with who who's only thing was having kids and it was very clearly because they needed to be loved and it was so obvious like how they talked about. It was discussing when will then love me forever and then and then it becomes another thing for them than just you know. It's it's not healthy. That's the thing it's not healthy and I can feel and I'm quite fucked up mentally but when I'm with children like I'm so aware of my you know how to vices. You have like your instincts right and then you have your own. Oh wait just say I have my instinct. Just exactly how I was raised. And that's my instinct is to go. You do it wrong. Why can't had to do this? Don't do that and I was like. Wow imagine how that would be a constant struggle to not get pass on the same insides matched to deal with our manage. That when you're tired wash when you go to get to work when you of course parents are all that your call now. Call won't be no. Nobody's good at their job. Twenty four seven. So there's going to be days when you were just like. Oh I've been an awful Bevan today and it just makes me shudder to think about but I think what I find very baffling as well as this sort of martyrdom of parenthoods that we have all these sort of you know. It's natural thing in the world to be a parent to procreate all species. Do It's what we do but we hold up people who have had a child Z.. They have of some sorts of angelic perfection about them. That just giving birth doesn't make you a compassionate. Good human being the whole speaking as a mother bollocks which drives me man man because some people compassionate and some on and some of these people have children some done mortgage apparent right. Let's just just like your mother. Then therefore you must be sort of you know bowed down to if you're saintly not all Oh mother of the Virgin Mary Right and others good. Mothers is incredible. It's it's it's not a natural thing to be you good parents. I mean maybe it would be if you're not in any way fucked up right. Who is in fact this ally sent and it's how you manage manage it and how you pass it on and how you and how you deal with when you do fuck up because you like those good at their job twenty four but it's how you do double down on that all do you go back and go? I did about bad thing. They're mismanaged situation. Or wherever and like you say the thought of that constant compensation in your heads twenty four seven. Not For me nope another. I have a constant conversation in my head. Twenty four seven. It's already tiring an extra versity like you're also doing this correctly and also like now it's not just your life you're fucking out Um I can take responsibility for my life my mental health and for my life. I'm happy to take responsibility for that. But put that on another being adjustment for that. I'm just not for that responsibility and I don't think he makes me any less of a human being. I think it makes me any less compassionate. I I'm when I mean you talk about Theresa May now I'm not sticking up for Theresa. May but when she came into office and Andrea led some set the things about how she wouldn't be a good prime minister because she's not a mother and I just let the so many things wrong with that. I think one of the fundamental things is that if you are a mother your all your instinct is to protect your young right that is per makes perfect sense to me. To protect your line your progeny your possibly to the exclusively of us. Let's because that's your instinct. So actually there's an argument to be said if you're not a parent then your compassion could go wider because you haven't compulsion towards one being you've got you can spread it a bit thinner. Maybe but I learned the hard way. Don't put that on twitter. The sentence I've said a lot of times in the past couple of years and then turns out your agreement that it must these things but yet to get another people getting in touch with your being like thank you for talking about this so many so many and and just because I talk about just being tired of people asking me about it and also just that my life is full have to make room for you can have a full life without child and also all. You're going to die alone about about that. I mean and that sounds amazing trying to die and this is a people when you do i. Don't you like Shit yourself and stuff you'd see people dies grim family there but is people have different needs and we so you just accept if that's what you want that's fine but just want doesn't mean it's what I want and I think I'm a one woman came up to me after a show and she had she was now in her late forties and she'd decided quite young didn't want children and and she had argued with her doctor about having hysterectomy. I think she had some physical issues as well which hysterectomy would have made. It's easier but also I know I don't want children and the doctor was like you don't want to see store and I sort of go well. There's an argument outside because you might change your mind and then it is fine. Okay but then. She said she was having more problems. Too Late Thirties. She looked like definitely. Don't they want children. And the male authority just said. How do you know your family's not? How'd you knew your family's complete? And and she went. He's not complete. I haven't got dog which is lovely but it's that that we don't know our minds somehow that we don't hear that we yes. People change their minds in particularly. I know I've changed it once you get to your thirty mid thirty. You're basically the person you're going to be. Also we we have autonomy like there's a pint when if you vote if you can buy a house if you can. I don't know like do do your own taxes like you have. You are an adult now so if you make a choice of people choose yeah yeah a lot of things we do is not getting education. We were still allowed to do it. And also because we fatigue change my mind. That's sort of my wife. It's about me changing my mind. And then they're worried about you having your own mind. Yeah Whoa yes. Tournaments have caused. It was gonNA come appear already. Let me take many when you set. He's like kind of joking. But you said you look at your line of like what you come from. I found that I was like. Oh it's okay for that. What's what are you kind of? I loved I've got a very big family on my mom's side particularly Kennedy and both my Dad's side is it's just. My Dad had one system on almost one. Nine nine nine. Yeah Catholics lots. Lots of lots of cousins like forty something first cousins big family and and in our family and I love family. That really wouldn't be without any of them. It was a very fun way to be brought up. However there's a lot of mental health issues in our family a lot of this been alcohol problems and things like that and do affect the next generation? You know and I know we've all been affected by our parents you know. I know. My mom was affected by her parenting. My mom was a middle child out of nine. And that's difficult and its own ways because you're not getting that parental attention necessarily that You know and and so there's no such thing as a perfect family and everyone's you they finish locking they fuck you up your mom and dad. They may not mean to you but they do. And there's definitely truth in that but I just think that because my issues issues sort of take me so long to get to a point of control or point where I feel in control of my life my destiny. The I think to poss- I think having a child would look like I think it would take me a step back took took person I've been before and that would be beneficial for a child necessarily instead that you know I'm sure it would be far as every chance it would be fine. I'm just being aware of that is probably a good thing is. Lots of people aren't aware of the fact that have it on their children if you are aware of of it. That's good so if I found out next week I was pregnant. Maybe I would be. Who knew you know who knows what would happen in that situation? But I just think that there's a knock on effect of these things and my parents divorced quite young and not have the knock-on record facts and to then take that to the next generation. I I there's no need for me to and also like I say my family's massive like the the next generation is is barring. There's enough of them don't need anymore. That's the same one of my feelings about it is also God. I have spent and still spending spending so much time fixing olds right. Yeah dealing with things like getting better getting bets. I know at some point hopefully very soon. I'm GONNA reach the point right. Well I'm finally living my life and everything's GonNa be fine and then just on a lot of work to then have to live for someone else. Yup Yeah and for me. It's very much like I cannot wait to start my life where I'm not constantly fucked up in some kind of way and then I just kind of want to be alive. I feel like if people who have not had that they've just had a great life and they're ready to do something with someone else like no. I think I need to start doing something for me now. Yup I feel really strongly. I think I feel like I sort of lost my twenty s to mental illness in many ways you know I had good times in my twenties. He's part of it was lost and a lot of it was around trying to sort out my head and my early thirties really and so to get to a point where I feel those issues. He's still managed and I have a lot more insight and a lot more ability to cope with them. I want to enjoy that. Because I didn't enjoy my twinsies I hated what was the the anxiety anxiety depression so I have like this team here. Which is kind of mild clinic depression? So I've had that since I was eighteen. I like nose and What it means is it's just a constant underlying to pressure circled atypical December? which is its status? This team is a D. Y.. Esto spelling without do is the also just like mild chronic depression. It's persistent to persistent depression syndrome or something like that. So it's just an undercover in this there which which will always be on medication and then generalized anxiety disorder is not something that's rare. A lot of people go through life with this but what it means for me is. It took me a long time in my twenties to get medication. Rights getting the balance right to address why I had no and they were always reasons for these things so I had sort of psychotherapy the and county and CBC. I've tried everything to you. Get the right sort of mix and I think because there were several major depressive episodes if you've got to steamier this constant undercurrent and then a major depressive episode can pop up Out of it. So you're not keep it in early or whatever and so through my twenties. They popping up more frequently. Because I wasn't still trying to manage what it every was and still telling myself because this was in the nineties you know. Hey where I think mental medication lance depressed medications wasn't quite as extensive as it is now and was seen as a sort of weakness and and I felt weak by being on the medication so I stopped taking it or I'll find now still taking it and then of course you don't find because you've got a chronic illness that's not going away and I now know I'm forty not three I now. No I'm not going to get better and stopping toilet taking medication. However good life feels? I'm not going to get better stopping the medication because conditions there. It's a physiological thing. So you come to terms with that and then managing as well and obviously you know with anxiety is a funny thing when your job is to get up and talk to people on stage somedays you go. Oh I can't do that thing today but I have not somehow. So that's makes an all of these comedies. The thing that has given me a life and that sounds like the most drastic thing but up to that point I was coasting. Merely I didn't really wasn't happy and I genuinely believe in the last ten years the first time since I was a child when I've I've got a fellow happiness. I felt joy again fell what joy feels like satisfaction feels like all the. I'm working towards the thing that I get something something back from. And and that makes me feel so of a useful member of society in some way and so Yes I I think that if people have been through something like that like you say life can be a series of events is no issue school university. This good where you get married. You have kids. That's kind of sad but if your life doesn't follow that pattern you can get like I think I've got arrested development for sure. There's no I am not for keep saying it but I'm I keep saying the numbers because I don't believe them. There's no way in my head. I'm lost twenty so I'm you know there's nothing wrong with that but you just don't fit into what the average is the mean average is doesn't mean my life's role and I just go. Yeah now like my four has been the best decade so far I mean a happy relationship aboard house. I've got a dog job. I love you all all the boxes takes for the first time ever bringing a baby into that really fought. Let me joy this. How did he caught? What it what it is about comedy that makes it makes you happy It's probably the heart. I'm a narcissist so it feeds that probably. I think we all aren't we comedians to certain extent. I'm not narcissistic personality. But I mean just it's just. The very basic people are applauding. I think I've always been I call myself myself like appraise addict right and I I've been that's just I was at school. I was goalie. Spot the girly Swat like. I always do my work on. ooh You my homework. And my best always beat I in spending tests and there was nothing I love more than a teacher going well-managed and I only really anywhere. Is this about myself when I to swim right. which was only in twenty fourteen? I'd never learned to swim when I was younger so I was wrong and unloved swimming now when I had swimming lessons I swam at Crystal Palace. The Olympics is cheese day and swimming class and it was a a group of middle-aged women basically trying to learn to scream on a Tuesday afternoon and teachers is called. Jill I love to. She was just a brilliant teacher. And I realized is the is going away of really practicing. I wanted to repress Jill next time thanks teach and I'm sure there that'd be really upset if ever we the classic pattern me that she's talking about tumble turn the man try harder only dot your addicted to being praised and that's and that's what comedy is isn't it. It's getting up there and go and I'm going to love me. And he said it was a quote it might be Stephen Fry a column if someone said the thing that makes the comedian is that sort of combination of being really self critical and self loathing but still wanting eighteen to show off to a few on. And that's like doesn't really attorney in anything else. If you just to show off and you an actor or self critical and self hating did you get on a stage and but those two things together. It's really weird combination. All you can be with that as a comedian. Yeah I have AH show ones didn't really work but I really liked it. Something about like I know something about arrogance and like I'm not I just think I'm really really great considering how should I am like. Oh my God for someone such a mess. I'm quite amazing. Fun being such a daycare amazing amazing easing daycare. And I'M GONNA take care to all of you want to listen to some weird when you really draws out into it you just go well. A confident accordance secure person doesn't get up on stage until room full of strangers all the worst things about themselves. How need just go? These of all my foibles labels. This is all the stuff happens to me. He's ever happened to me. Look at me on this that and the other one I honestly I only this on I not and in some ways it's sort of. I think it's a defense mechanism. It's getting all that stuff in there before they do. You know. I think comedy's away to go. Why if I point out to it for my flows? Aw they point them out to me. In the beginning yeah I just heard stats wrestling show you came into a room with the bullies and you were ready to be funny about it. And they we're going to be and then they had nothing exactly you take that power away from them. If you're saying the worst things about you always say about twitter chores and things. It's like you know for you. You say it's bad you cannot have too much So yeah this is sort of defense mechanism in it and also the people. How can you search an anxious person? How'd you get up to the stage because I'm in control of that and and the situations maybe most anxious is walking into a room with five people in it? I don't know that well I have to make small talk with them or saw. Just that terrifies me. Because I know there's turn taking has to take place and they I'm worried I'm going to speak too much or not enough or speeco vessel learn and get it wrong or as the stage Mike Annot is always my turn to speech. I went from my show at the so theater in. It was the first time in the big rooms to three hundred people and full room last night. The show to Uber to the first birthday I walked in realizing no anyone. Just walk to the bathroom and then it was only only one I. I'd hoped it was be Stolz Haydn. One for like fifteen minutes. There's one bathroom and I couldn't find two people show me and I felt like everyone was looking then. I sat there a five minutes and then went out still what I knew and then just walked out and got and went home. been so show that it was the same mover and that's the phone call and just be like. Hey I'm sharing final. Just go home. Now that I'll be home in a uh I was just going to enjoy this pop fan because I was so it was sowing sightseeing and I told my friend and she was saying was that that was a bit of your evening to make you anxious just getting on state. Yeah Yeah that's what I'm doing in in the situation everyone's looking and in my head. They're all thinking. Oh my God. She doesn't have any friends. You due to pass your own the worst. Even I went to a Christmas drinks over radio. Four Nas we and I just find people go ain't meet outside of walking. We walk into that Room Kaduna. Unless they're all looking at you and you have a microphone and yes and then I. It's I just because I know that I'm you know you. None of you have to say anything and I just do. I have to do and then I can you sitting out your quiet. Yeah just I often think that people must be really disappointed when they meet. Let me off to a show because my solve onstage personas quite an no I'm hearing things on it noted. Yep No that's just not I really wish I could and of course people disappointed because because I always think they think bombastic onstage quite so cocky is for me off who noted what to say to them and then I find taking compliments was one of the hardest things in the world like face to face compliment. I can't cope with it all. I don't know what does somebody on twitter so your show. I loved it. You're like Oh that's can right back. Thanks very much the face to face that we have to show their look at me I I just can't. We've all seen comedians like no. You shouldn't have because it was a really bad show and the audience is like oh I quite like some. Call me someone who could not really control always do that. Somebody pointed this out to who is doing since I've tried not to. It's really hard. Whenever people go to great set like the the audience were lovely? Yeah the oil base that lovely. What else are you meant to say yes I am? I am amazed I have the best I'm brilliant say. Thank you and then they just look at you. And you're like you just don't know how it's like complements me to my face to twitter can take John Thank you and all that so nice of you thank you so much I think of telling me well. Thank you for coming at some point it is repeating and I think this is so what to do. Now I'm going to go to the critic because he just like right what do you oh go because I'm not good now. Look like address wearing something. Great I can always GonNa love you and say before they say anything and if you get talking about this I saw before and also your earrings fit really well. It's been thirty seconds. Goodbye look look if you feel like such a fraud because you've just been on states like a plot thank you very much. And then they come up and they're like oh no no. No Dog rain. The applause to the room now pretended unacceptable. Why never want to come out? The it's the I don't want to talk to the local people in so not that but you could see how it gets really come across as that you know. She didn't she doesn't want to come out. And you just want to talk to the plebs you know it's it's not it's just I don't know what to say and a competent dissipates. And they're being nice. They they had and they feel like they know you so they have safe with you and they open up and they have this energy and you know that's the wrong energy right now because I'm way away from them I don't want somebody to go away. Go really fucked up that conversation with the I went to see this person this show and then I fucked up the conversation. Because he's never you've never always me always be never go off to thinking or fucked up that you didn't I did it was I was doing a book signing after my London Show and forget faces and names all the time. All the time is so embarrassing people. Actually your I'm literary agent and there was a sky and he gave the poconos. I just wanted to sign your name. And he said yes. It's but I was already writing it. So yeah it's Blah Blah. And then he looked. Why do you know that and I was like oh social media and using this is just really weird? I'm so sorry I don't know why I know your name. And he was just like it was like right. This is not this is a bit creepy actually gave from the book back and I was just done. What if I don't I don't know why of all of all we have? Just seen him on social media. Yeah but he. It's not like he'd been tweeting me. There's like a normal person following. There's no reason no his name and I was like I have ruined as well not look. He looked frightened being stalked by so such a such a weird situation. 'cause we're we're on stage being like Shit like this awesome shit like there's some shit like this and then they're like how you can you hear me Shit. I'm really Shitty Shit. Yes and that's the thing that it's when you're talking about because I do too exciting stuff in Malaysia. It certainly and then but like you say because there's such a joystick position between talked about things were being super confident or seemingly being super confident. And he's like lay in. See me half an hour ago announced backstage practically vomiting and be. You won't see me after the show when I'm in the car going during live you know it's it's such a bipolar profession. We have half because that moment onstage. Where gigs going? Well or shows going. Well there's no feeling like it right and it's a adrenaline rush. It's a high end to end. It's the problem is it doesn't end when it does. He saw I always have this crashing moment of how futile you. You feel really special because you taught not gag system strangers like how is that helping the world. The world's Bernie doing full for that high to the sort of actually. Yeah No. I'm a piece of Shit. Can you separate the voices in your head like do you know what when the voices being rational and unrealistic realistic. Most of the time most of the time sometimes the voice wins. And that's exactly how I describe my voices. It's rational irrational. No it's the one is the evidence based on the non evidence. John Space One. It's the one that goes and the and my age my manager. He's been my manager for six seven years now rick. He's so good at. It's sort of no nonsense telling me the evidence because when I first saw of regular now what the week and I did a couple of episodes and then they asked me to come common do six episodes in a year and my agent telling me and it's like there's only twelve episodes of the year they want you for six of them and I thought I can't do that we I can't I can't I can't I can't six episodes and he just had to stop me then they're not asking you because they feel sorry. It's like you've done the show you've done well On it they want to book you. You're not doing your favor earn rational voice and I when I get irrational. I have to manufacture my rational voice to solve the evidence. You've been doing this show you've been doing well on it. They want to look for more. That's all the as your overcomplicating it. You're oh they they're not you're not a sort of special needs case that they're trying to support through there but that is a constant battle between those voices and they called Stephanie. Having to sort of because I also I worry a lot. Comedians do the the stuff will run out. The ideas. Run out the jokes folks who run out and I think we all have those moments where we try to right and they have run out for a bit. I sit with over the no ideas ever gonNA come again. Nothing funny he's ever going to occur to me again. That's it game over and that's where I can spiral then can be like you thought you you manage to you. Managed to con people this lull. You're being found out now and that's where the rational voice has to come in and provide. You've always some these always come every atom you ve never turned up to go. I got enough in. You know. That's never happened. Turned up is always a show. It will always be fine and do you find it. It happens more in comedy work business or is it also personal private. I feel a personal private setting relationships. I'm catastrophe in relationships chips. I mean we love Matt my partner now. Are we going to visit the longest happiest ship. I've had I hadn't realized the relationship could be simple but not boring in the past. I've had very simple relationship on board so I've always so then I've told myself all. I need the drama drama. I feed off the drama and then dramas exhausting. And you don't know where you are in your company and then I realized that actually if you're with somebody who's the right person and they're they're they're interesting and they're funny and they're fun it doesn't you don't need a drama to have by constant me dream that mass cheating on me constantly Halston Adrian. He's cheating on your leaving me and we have to solve ongoing Jacob as like if I got the is just dream madness and asshole but I'll wake up and destroy. Oh you did it again. I had a full and you can when you know the thing about the vice. And what's rational. What's not you can almost take a step back and go? Oh I'm looking at myself freaking out now and I know this shouldn't be happening but you are and I had a full thing. Why wasn't even the sleeve? I know it did start with a dream that the the guy was seeing and one of my best friends was sleeping together in real life. It never met right. Spoken never did know basically not in my head is a gap. That's happening running and I was so convinced even though I could see that from the outside you'll being absolutely spa every little. He likes tweet up buying a house. Show that it's almost amazing. I mean that must also be kind habit kind of way get imagination from right because if you if you can think of that sal rationalizing is happening because of this. Isn't this like wow. It needs some imagination is the key I think people who do catastrophes and I know I am. One of those people do tend to have good imaginations because I was talking to about this my friend. And he's going to go WHO's three nowaday. He says he's caused imagining her. Getting into danger. And so he's he describes his other half as like she's not creative person in the way that he knew and he says she has no imagination in that were so she just never imagined that the worst could happen she sometimes. I'll watch pushing the world on a swing and I'll be like oh God because I can imagine what can happen. But she said this is a happy medium between the two. Yeah wow she's like oh five five and he's just completely risk averse when my aunt she she did it with my friend who had her infant son on her on a chest and I go to the slings in the mount. Don Oh not Scott every time you walk down the stack that you're going to wash awesome. My friend was like no I had not thought about. I mean I am now. That's what I think about every single day. Okay you have. You have have some issues. That's if you constantly you know I do have to stop myself. Going wasn't never leave the house and that to me. Acquire light your idea of never leaving the house and get older. That idea appeals more and more I have to give out you. Don't end up. One of those people never leaves the house because there is a world out there you WANNA be part of running GAIJIN. So don't very easy to go well itself catastrophes check myself from everything. I'll just pull the walls up and they'll be fine. I'll never get him my car because because then I wouldn't have a car accident or driving's the worst when I'm driving I'm fine and then I'll be driving down the most vital seventy go if Well if you know remember some crash I've seen on TV or something. You could be my time to and then on my way now you know those things. I wish I could just rain in something but also if you do I mean. I almost envy that. You could stay home because at home but Louis five monoxide right drowning in the top. Oh everything could go wrong. I had no so often imagine that the roof just wellstone nasty NAS gene with a hot water bottle. That was a highlander. You know third degree bones and the bones unit and that was the man fitting out that night. The lesson is nowhere safe and we do and we're all danger all all the time. That's what I want. I WanNa take home and if you're not worried you bloody welsh seeing you. That show called the one where you move your makeup all comes you are yeah yeah. When was that that was twenty fifteen and then that's usually think coming out to talk about this if I'm not I'll let you know when you you can take cash but I'm actually writing all based on then? I shouldn't have revealed the soda. You might not have that book based on the sort of relationship with my face. Yeah because I dismore fix things going on and has a real but but at the same time does treat people differently if they don't look that way the books are about quite about graphical but it's also about just that there's a reason why it's all the ugly people in Hollywood on ugly Mommy. Betty's the one I always ugly. She's wearing glasses that's all it was uh-huh and how this halo effect and things like that. People generally have a better life if they look at that way. Not Yeah. We're thing of when you when you talk to people about self esteem and confidence where you you want to say. Beauty is Subjective everyone finds different things beautiful. That's not a a there is not a right way to look. We just true but what is also true is society doesn't agree with that is a right way to look in terms like in sociopolitical context. Yes if you want to. It depends what you want out of life I guess. Yeah Yeah if you want to be an actor or if you want to do certain things then unfortunately those different and don't apply. And and it's a funny thing sort of attractiveness. I find it fascinating because people are attracted different things and I find winded. We're talking about taking compliments like compromise on how I look cannot cope with a tall. You know I think we'll because I've grown up feeling feeling ugly but also just I can't take compliments full stop so you know if my boyfriend says lovely. I'll be like if if we go away college. I just can't take ed one of the things about being sort of on TV. That I you no you do have people commenting on your attractiveness. But I expected I fully expected it ought to be negative and I was really surprised that it wasn't you know people twitter go you already fuzzy. Angela bows I'd be with you. Sound with Elliot Taylor you become the troll with the average the look and then you get the ones that got one tweet really maybe laugh because this is nothing I haven't told myself. Algebra is so appreciate makes blind children cry. Wow I've really have that. Let's go in there but I find I find that sort of thing if they're trying to hurt me that really GonNa roll me about it. Because a things I tell myself is so much worse and and be on television as a comedian model. So you attacking. My looks is in no way affects me in that in how you think it does. It's you know I'm not going to be going to these AMAC. Leona did he is funny. You know or did he think I was good at doing the we or did he think it doesn't matter if I'm glad I'm not immortal. And being judged as one is insane because that's not why doesn't affect my ability st my job it might affect my ability to get some jobs because I do think still a disparity between jobs TV. Where if you're a pretty go you get opportunities paid less and less like yeah? That'd be a thing. Yeah if you're pretty and funny you want a winner. You know young funny. You're going to be fine from did you did you. I can imagining the other responses you would get from. That show would be a lot of people saying no. No you're beautiful. That's one of the things things I find again sort of inch because that is sort of when you talk about building honestly or feely ugly such. It's not the right word. And I haven't found the right word. Very conventional unattractive ethically attracted side cels societies. Idea of of of. What's beautiful? And if you say that you feel you don't fit into that however you frame it whether you frame it that that's something that depress you that you'll find whatever because most human beings a decent nice human beings responses to say whatever your beautiful or not only about Bubba and it's hard to argue against that because because that person is being nice to you they are coming from a good place they are not trying to offend you. They're not trying to upset you. They are trying to make you feel better but what that actually should he does. He shuts down any conversation. And I found that particularly so I was a teenager when I was really unhappy with how I looked and I felt very different into my friends and I felt that I wasn't developing in the same way as they were and boys would go school which you are in all of those things every time I say to my mama to a friend or wherever I feel ugly and I mentor. I mean I feel a glee. They put it to mister precaution. Occupied for look and then I'm not allowed to say I knew something wasn't Ri- I knew it wasn't I was you know I knew I wasn't just shut down any conversation. Okay what was really going on was dismore fear. What was really going on was that I hated myself for whatever reason and but nobody was let me say and so so all just internalized and grew and grew and grew until it came out solve sideways depression and all sorts of other things whereas I think if people are gone? Tell me what you mean. Why what makes you say that and I go well this this this and this and they can then talk? Here's the evidence. So this is what that person said that. You're just to talk it through to even go well. Maybe you should see a counselor because this disparity pouty between what you think toward Israel or whatever or even just go society is fucked up. Yeah and it's not your fault. Yeah exactly yeah you you will face some things that other people won't face and that's unfair. Yeah but and that's that's why she just to be honest and go. You're right people do get easier to get easier. It's all of that. Never stops however there were things that I mean. I'm not happy with all these people doing comedy because I felt communist every night. I love but don't be a pop star. That's looking funny five. But that was an absolute joke. Says why are you doing comedy. We're already looking at you eh out. We we. It's a lot of my my best friend who's like conventionally the perfect looking person right and she would always whenever I'd be like oh I don't think anyone likes me is because I'm fat so it'd be like no that's not it you're beautiful and people it's all about energy and this all about like how happy you are. I remember just being like I'm going to go to this party all smiles and I'm super happy and still known ones affect me and I was just like Oh God. I'm happy enough when I found out that. Oh No it's the thing last. Everyone's been brought up to hate fat people. It's a legit thing. I was so oh relieved. Upbringing energy relaxed. But it would have been the same thing and I could and I remember saying so. I think that's fat and she's like no no no you're beautiful I'd be like no no listen It's not my fault. It's because fat. This is a good thing and it's the same thing of being constantly gaslight when people are like no you're not fat but this is number on on a scale like this. Yeah those size I can fit like I am. I'd really need to be able to say that. Yeah and then we can talk about what that means afterwards. Yeah exactly yeah just telling me the why why is black and the there's no room from uneven there then you shut me down so people feel comfortable with themselves because they don't like hearing hearing it like no no you beautiful. She don't have that conversation with you because then they might have to say to you. Yes you're far. Yeah and then they go with that fat back through. That's because Fi is a negative. Yeah with people saying I'm so fat. Because they wanted us to say no. That's the thing is when talking about being ugly and the stuff that ugly I guess is harder to quantify them wait in some ways and not sort of could save his numbers that tell you what you way over but what I found people either were so I wrote an article in the Guardian fears. Go now and and if they gave the article. That's what I'm doing. I'm proud which was not. I think there was a line that said that in a context but anyway plunked down and obviously the comments were amazing. I mean they were people. were either saying ugly fine all they were saying they were getting really angry. I wasn't ugly enough to have written like Pollini between misunderstanding point of the obstacle and also the phone they used to photograph there was some Fanta. She sipping fighter short right so I was like oh made up by professional makeup artists and photo shots to look like a nicer posted a photo from a poster. So yeah that's what I look like which is why why I ended up doing that. Show I make just to go. You're judging me on a thing that's not that doesn't exist judge immune but regardless godless of that. You're willfully misunderstanding. What this article is about so people and then other people she just fishing for compliments just most people Tennessee peaceful icon because you wrote this ethical in a teenager and so? That's why you go so people skates stand up and go. I'm worried because I think I'm ugly and I'm on attractive Tiv- because then people either accuse your fishing for compliments or they just shut you down. So how do we have that conversation with people who feel that way. So they don't fester. Don't let let it become this thing and it's something you'll never go away from you so ingrained in my brain as much work I do I I mean I had to really get used to having makeup cutoff for TV. I had my makeup done and we saw not close to my face. I hated it I hate it and I still to this day will go like. I'll walk into the makeup week. The way the to Michelle and see the makeup of the week a lovely really lovely and they know what night now and they'll do it and then the miracle workers for always there are also many titles spot. So can you just like the worst thing we've ever seen. Wonderful works on Good Morning Britain inherent there is actually when I looked it up for my book. The House define ugly convention unattractive. 'cause there are numbers because they just take all the conventional beautiful people television calculations. What makes a beautiful and then so there are things about like symmetry also like you know the whites the better obviously with? That's not me saying no that does is make noise. Yeah yeah the with between your eyes and the position and the proportions like there are you can measure. Yeah if you are pretty enough because also you just think. Everyone's got to Eisenhower the mouth pretty much my how can they really loved also like how much of it stems from Classism awesome. Because I can just like teeth right the thing. That and the way the teeth amend to look up something that you would have to pay a lot of money to select rich people could make get this done with the same plastic surgery even the same with filters on instagram. Whatever it's like making something look attractive is always something that rich people have the chance of being able to do? It's so funny like would you look over the history rich people used to pay. I remember somebody talking about the grandmother having all their teeth removed on the twenty first birthday as a present to have dentures they'd have not fashion. Now it's veneers or whatever but people now now you look at dentures and go about small yeah would have been one hundred. Years skipped have wooden teeth. If they were rich. You know it's it's also make money. Yeah and teeth that you've eaten dinner with and kissing. Yeah so the last question I was asking. This is your in the delivery room and you have just been born I I so you know right holding yourself as a baby okay. Tiny tiny angie have tiny tiny Angeles crying because he was just in the womb and it was all nice and comfortable safe and warm and quiet but now she's out in his lights and the sounds everyone she's like what the fuck is she's looking at you. It's this what life is going to be like. This is going to be lights and sounds everywhere and started because this horrible and you know what life's GonNa look like up until the point where now now you know exactly what's going to happen and the will be a lot of lights and sounds it won't be letting sounds it'll be other things that are going through depression all these things so you can say something to you. Can't change the future so it doesn't matter what you can't give rise okay. None of that won't work. She's asking you is what's going to happen. What is going to be like and you can choose to answer that? What would you say detainees detainees? The Cacophony won't stop but it's mostly going to be in your head off the outside of it but you're led to manage it so yeah the noise won't would stop and the lights flashing lights stop but you will learn to live with them and make them work for you. Do you still need. That probably probably do things not so doing this. Pluck your thinks. Oh well I will be on tour next year. 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Londons losing out in a postcode lottery for the coronavirus vaccine; and Trumps 2nd impeachment

The Leader

12:43 min | Last month

Londons losing out in a postcode lottery for the coronavirus vaccine; and Trumps 2nd impeachment

"From the evening standard in london. I'm david moslem than this is the leader. It's thanks to the work of the nhs into the vaccine task force. That we have secured more doses. I think per capita than virtually any other country in the world certainly more than any other country in europe does johnson was begging up the uk's vaccine at of prime minister's questions but in london the alarm bell is being rung evening standard's revealed the capital is receiving fewer doses of the pfizer and oxford versions per head of population than other areas. That's despite a major incident being declared as the city battles luna virus health. That is ross. Lied broke the story. And he's with me now. Ross how did this come to light just to the london. The same held a sort of urgent plenary stationer investigation station into the current state of play as regards. Couvet wither this pressure on hospitals. Have many infections that are seemingly. Innocuous question was asked by join mccartney whose labor member for the north. The city upset vein fueled way and she basically asked the chief nurse for london chop code maltin mcrae a whether it was correct the capital was not getting its fair share out of the blue walton. Mcrae who is also the covert incident director for london. Israeli should see he says parent head of population. We are not getting quite as much fancied seen as maybe more rural parts of the country. This was a bit of a bombshell. To be honest we simply had no idea because all the government has done so far is published national figures for the has that happened in its attempts to be fair to the country. The government via any chance has been distributing bundles of vaccine on an equal basis to what they called primary care networks little groups of. Gp's who've come together to distribute the vaccine and if we competed if you like to football clubs. It's almost like liverpool. Football club gates rosen. Vaccines is does manchester. United us does barnsley as does crystal palace but what is happening of course in places such as crystal palace. Kapila barnaby for example. There'd be many more people within the crystal palace region because london is so populous than there will be in barnsley so therefore if those vaccines come to crystal palace and the facing goodson burnley if you live in barney because fewer neighbors you higher chance of getting it. Is there a risk. Then the london will run a vaccine. The won't be enough to go around in this early stage. We haven't so much run is we haven't actually got enough so we're not at the speech that people are telling up as for not getting it or not allowed to turn up to get until they're asked to turn up so supply is being constrained source on jonathan bantam the famous g j bt said on the radio this morning that yes supplies are constrained across the country mainly because the cut make it quickly often kind of give it safety approval as quickly is needed. He said that the infrastructure is in place to deliver a jobs as we gate. Just the jobs aren't coming through as quickly as we would like. However despite these bumps in the road ac- described them we should gates about fourteen or fifteen million britons vaccinated over the next month. Unbefitting night the target is for more than one million londoners in the fool most vulnerable groups to get the vaccine by the fifteenth of february. And we're gonna hit that target. Well we'll get the first indication tomorrow afternoon when the first regional breakdown is given off the number of vaccines so we will be able to see exactly whether london is actually doing proportionately better or worse than say. The northwest northeast. Waste metals. And so on dane. That will be good because it will then if if we are falling behind it will then lead to enormous pressure on the government to get the vaccine to the police. he's we're the hospitals are lists. Which obviously is london as we stand what we won't know though is a data data more granular level. You know in terms of which bars getting more and not such a thing as important as well really need to new on a borough by borough ordinance chased trust by trust the primary care network basis. Who's getting the vaccine. a knock. who's being offered their and further any particular problems about people tumbling the vaccine which would need immediate action as well if that is the case because that are suggestions definitely neum council in east. London is concerned that it's seeing a substantial number of people declined to have the job and that is not good news because we know the east. London is one of the worst hit erase country so now that this vaccine disparity shall we call. It has been brought to light. Is there anything being done to fix it or is that just the way it is for now. So what's happened. Is that yesterday. The de kind had a call with nadeem zahawi. Who's the vaccine deployment minister. He followed that up today with a letter to him. He's also written to the prime minister the stories now in the front page of good half a million evening. Standard's this afternoon so it's firmly in the public domain and we can expect more tomorrow. It's quite possible that would be more colds for london to get its fair share. We use on on the statistics. But i think we can a ticket for granted that this one could be quite assertive burning issue over the next day week to the of the regions could join in to. It might not just be london this suffering. It may be other large cities so undependable. Be popping up from shoot if he thinks manchester not getting. Its fierce sir. Slice of the pie. There's only so much we can so many times can keep saying hospitals are fueling. Please obey the lockdown restrictions. You assess the issues. Install to run on people. We sent you want to win. Am i going to get the vaccine. And fires at somebody. On the other side of the country with a especially. Sarah lower infections is getting quicker than they are questions will be asked. Is there a push could lottery and if there is a nobody wants to be the person who's essentially having the the vaccine pushman come knocking on your door. Last you can read ross's story in our newspaper or online at standard okudah. Uk where we have lots more on the kuna virus story including the signs at lockdown having an impact as to the ads now while they're on hit the subscribe button. So you never miss our news analysis and commentary every day at four pm. I've served with ronald reagan. George h w bush and george bush. I had respect for all of those presidents. They cared about our country. They honored our constitution and they executed the duties of their office consistent with the constitution and laws of our country. That is not true. This president and that is how the vote to impeach donald trump for a second time began in the house of representatives at the time of recording. It seemed all but assured it would be passed. The senate will then hold a trial on a charge of incitement of insurrection. All follows the riot at capitol hill. In which five people died with we. Now julie norman electro in politics and international relations at ucla. Julie just the very fact that donald trump's the first president ever be impeached twice historical significance. Isn't it it's certainly is david. Today's vote is significant in that alone. Just that will be the first time that a. us president has been impeached. The vote is expected to go through today. Almost all democrats have signed onto the bill and are expected to vote for it and importantly several republicans have also indicated that they will support as well. Vote for it. That includes liz. Cheney who is the third ranking republican in the house so in contrast to last year's impeachment process which was strictly along party lines. This time we do see a bit of a loosening of trump's grip over the gop and evie some numbers ready to step out and stakeout of stance against him. So liz cheney said that publicly someone who's not spoken publicly but is reportedly in favor of impeachment is mitch mcconnell. He's the majority leader in the senate. A republican how significant would his support be so mitch. Mcconnell is the link lead ranking republican in the senate so as we know after today ethnic pitchman passes the house which is expected to the next step will be a trial in the senate and that will require a two-thirds majority of senators to convict the president right now. Democrats after binds inauguration. We'll have fifty votes. Don't need seventeen republicans to sign on with them Most senate republicans have been rather quiet on this. So far mcconnell at least privately has suggested he supports the impeachment proceedings for essentially purging. The party of trump's influence has not actually said how vote yet but if he continues to show that he at least even partially supports this measure that would probably be the key momentum to getting these some other republicans on board and possibly enough to convict senate. Those seem to be at least indications that republicans are now beginning to distance himself from donald. Trump doesn't the things are certainly changing very quickly so when just a week ago we had over one hundred forty lawmakers on capitol hill standing by the president opposing the election results. We see a very different reality playing out in washington this week. Even some of his most staunchest allies including kevin mccarthy. Who's the top republican in the house. Even though mccarthy himself is personally against impeachment he has said he will not lobby or whip the votes for other republicans to vote in the president's favor which in itself is incredibly notable. We've seen the business sector start to cut ties with trump obviously big tack and really just a very different kind of response from the gop to trump. This time around. He still has a pretty strong grip on the party. But this seems to be loosening at least a little bit after last week's events. Where does all this leave. The efforts democrat efforts to invoke the twenty fifth amendment that removing president for being unfit so that was with the democrats tried to push for initially before proceeding with impeachment The impeachment resolution today yesterday. They asked mike pence the vice president to invoke the twenty fifth which requires the vice president and a majority of the cabinet to deem the president unfit to discharge his duties and to remove him from power essentially on pence wrote in a letter to pelosi that he was not going to be willing to do that. And that was the final action that then has motivated the impeachment proceedings to go forward now. Donald trump was speaking in alamo in texas about the twenty fifth. And saying he doesn't care about it but it might come back to haunt joe biden. He doesn't appear to believe that he's either going anywhere or the he's going to be giving up control of the gop dizzy he doesn't. We haven't heard any signs of remorse from trump for the events from last week. We haven't heard any kind of indication that he might be changing his tone or his rhetoric anytime soon. But what is true. Is that again on. January twentieth biden will be inaugurated president. It's unlikely that trump about any pressure to resign before then. The big question now is if this impeachment process can go through to a trial in the senate which could potentially bar the president from running for office in the future. That's the big question that remains for his future political trajectory and that salita. We'll have more on this into morals leader available at four pm and will be keeping across. Us politics ahead of the inauguration on january twentieth.

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GSMC Soccer Podcast Episode 176: Last show of 2020!

GSMC Soccer Podcast

1:31:36 hr | 2 months ago

GSMC Soccer Podcast Episode 176: Last show of 2020!

"Want to know the latest and soccer then listened to the golden state media concept's soccer podcast m l. Ls is the world the premier league. We've got you covered the latest update hottest matches at news on the league's top players. It's the golden state media concept soccer. Podcast listen thank you for tuning into the gmc soccer podcast brought to you by the gmc. Podcast network. I'm your host even melendez and i'm going to be bringing you the latest and greatest and soccer news from around the world. Welcome back everyone to your holiday special of the. Gmc soccer podcast. I hope everyone out. There is enjoying their christmas week. spending time with family. And just you know just enjoying the holidays and join the time with those loved ones especially during a time like this when That can happen all the time. So i know i'm certainly enjoying it. Christmas was awesome christmas eve. All that food was great. I still got leftovers. That's been eaten today But yeah so. We're gonna be talking about a lot of soccer today. We got obviously some transfer news coming up since the that transfer windows just around the corner. you know we got premier league action going on Last last football matches of the year will be talked about in this episode and then we also have some continuing that top ten series. 'cause i know we. I didn't have an episode this this week taking a little break. Obviously because of christmas you know every you know even podcasters have their breaks So yeah let's get right into what we're going to be talking about today's show with the first segment we're just going to be talking about the premier league just recapping those matches. That have happened since my last time on the show. We're going to be doing a little bit of a table breakdown. Just you know seeing where every team is as we end the year. Second part of the show. We're gonna be talking about the other leagues pretty much. The same just talking about all the games that that occurred before this before the end of the year. And then we're going to be breaking down the table to see where each team is at. You know what surprises we've got going on. You know what disappointment so for in the early parts of the season or i guess you could say the first half of the season now. incredible how. We're already halfway through the season. You know it's just it's just incredible and even think but then also third part of the show. We're going to be dedicating match all the transfer news that we got going on there. Some deals that are pretty much already done. was some managers that have been sacked. We have some. We have a lot of loose talk about can be all in that third part of the show and in the last part my favorite. Because i have a little fun with it. We're gonna be talking about the top ten current croatia players right now and of course. I'm continuing that with talking about each of the different countries croatia or the eleventh best country in the world On fearful world ranking. So they're going to be the next country that we talk about. So let's just get started with the premier league match recaps and we had a lot of interesting draws going on since the last time we talked. I talked about the man city defeating newcastle. We asked him villa. Being crystal palace even man united leicester getting a two two draw. That was a really fun match up to watch arsenal defeating chelsea three to one like. Where did that come from. I mean the way chelsea way arsenal of and play. I mean it kind of falls in line with the way chelsea been playing as of late. But it's just you know you always expect arsenal team. That just falters especially this year the way they've been playing. It's just been atrocious. Everton getting a win against sheffield united even though it is a one zero win. It's still three points that makes it four wins in a row for them and while teams around them in the top of the table are faltering right now. They just continue to get you know. Get all three points at least lately and are just taking advantage of those teams struggling but we look at some of the other games that we didn't discuss we got leeds united defeating burnley one to nothing and that makes it lead united slowly but surely starting to get back up there. They got three wins in the last four games looking pretty good. You got west ham drawing against brighton to to not the kind of result west ham or our hope enforce freshly over the last couple of games. They've been struggling three draws and a loss in their last four games after being in the top five kind of it's starting to catch up to them. They're not really playing at consistent level that you need to be one of those european spots And it's showing and then we had two games of of teams that are like you know the top clubs in the premier league at liverpool taking on west brom and we had taught them going up against the wolves. And you look at those those match up. You expect each of those teams to come away with three points. I mean maybe not tottenham with the winner playing as of late. But still you'd expect josie moody neo with with kane and song to figure out a way to defeat a wolves team that has also been struggling as of late but we had two very exciting draws in those games and the like let's start with the liverpool versus west brom and both these games actually were very very similar in the way they replayed Liverpool got off to an extremely hot. Start saudi-omani Scored in the twelfth meant very nice goal from liverpool virologist. Really nice team goal Any kind of felt like this was just going to be the way this game was going. I mean west brom obviously one of the worst teams are nineteenth in the league right now and you know expect. You don't expect them to be able to hold off liverpool especially when they get off to a hot start the way they did however that was one of the only that was one of just two shots on target liverpool would have the entire game seventeen shots. Only two of those on target west brom went five shots had more with three. It's just it was just a very lax game from liverpool offensively and they have their their star trio for me no saleh and mani. They just could not connect successfully unlike any of their attempts but they certainly had the possession. I mean all of the first half. It was all liverpool. They just couldn't connect on anything it was. They had nearly all the possession over on the game. They had seventy nine percent possession. Eight percent pass accuracy of seven hundred. Eighty seven passes. When you look at west brom they only had a little over. Two hundred passes completed and fifty. Six percent of them were were were were complete. They had total of just over two hundred passes. Fifty six percent of them were completed. So that's a very good number there but they were still able to hold on Play scrappy defense. Even though they couldn't even get shot all of that first half their first shot came about fifty minutes into the game and it was just it was just a struggle for west rahm literally the entire game offensively they could barely get a handle the ball however in the second half thing certainly started to change for them they got the ball a lot more. We're creating chances. Just you know a bit more. Obviously they only had five shots that whole first that whole second half But we're still getting a bit more daylight than they were in that first half while liverpool were still getting their chances but like i said two shots on target of their seventeen shots. They just were not connecting at all. We're not making a johnstone The goalkeeper for west brom really have to do any kind of work. There was one time when the ball kind of in front of him. Weird kind of felt like it was going to go behind him and be one of those. You know blunders that you're gonna see on on on a youtube channel or any kind of news outlet. That was just gonna make fun of him but he was able to hold onto it. And and you know and key west brom in the game but you just have to be impressed with the way west brom was able to hold on you know. Continue to fight and and make this a game and they were rewarded with an ajayi Header in the eighty. Second minute all klopp can do could laugh. We could do all he could do was laughed because it was just. The liverpool did not deserve to go home with three points. They certainly getting more possession. And were you know obviously pretty much living in the west Half but they weren't doing anything with it they. They came up with a few more opportunities late in the game. And honestly so did west brom but neither way but you know get ahead and claim all three points so it ends in a one. One draw poor performance from liverpool. Because you know the you expect them especially with this game being at home for them. You expect them to win this game. But they didn't do it. They were not able to win an infield terrible performance overall for them and they get one point but they still manage to stay on the top of the table. Obviously we'll talk about that towards the end of the segment. And then we'll talk about tottenham versus wolves. And like i said this game was very very similar. tottenham got a very early golden dumb belly. Who was an absolute monster in this game. In my opinion was the man of the match for tottenham he was pretty much everywhere harassing wolves of defenders putting pressure on them and just having a ridiculous motor. He did score the goal in the first minute of this game. And you're expecting tottenham to the finally starting to get their act together obviously scoring an early goal here but they only got six total shots in this game. Three of those on target while wolves were certainly putting much more pressure early on in this game even after that goal was made wolves were trying to answer back right away trying to get you know and they had opportunities. They just couldn't get past those east. There was some shots that were kind of. You know not didn't have a lot of power on them so they were pretty easy saves for lower east. But wolf were putting pressure on tottenham. They even had more possession over the entire game. They had fifty percent possession for the for the whole game. They had eleven shots six of those on target so they had as many shots on target as tottenham had total shot. So you know when you look at those stats. It kind of tells you the you know the what is it. The the story of the game. It was certainly a great start for tottenham but it was not you know just what you would expect from them which i guess they get off to start so they're gonna take that momentum and claim all three points did not do that same thing as liverpool in their game they struggled. Even though liverpool had much more possession were controlling the game. On this side tottenham. We're not doing that. Wolves were controlling the game on their end. Just couldn't get that open. You know that that equaliser until late late in the game run roaming. Seis scored a header. Same as west brom scoring the equaliser via header. So as you guys can see this was in the eighty. Sixth minute very very similar game to that liverpool match against west brom and it earned wolves all at least a point. In this game and tottenham losing those three points both teams had opportunities late and just just couldn't get ahead and clean those three points so This was a very exciting game to watch because it was very back and forth. Neither team really had complete control of the game. And the wolf. Got a you know a dramatic header at the end of the game so Huge huge game for them to to you know to our least hold onto a point. I'm sure they feel like they probably could have had all three points as they had a lot of opportunities latest especially their young striker silva He he just he just. I don't know it just doesn't feel like he's ready for that big stage yet Now we're gonna be talking about leicester versus crystal palace We're now moving on to match day. Sixteen games this one was was was yesterday. Or i guess the the twenty eighth monday and crystal palace and leicester city had a one one. Draw another one draw. This wasn't the same as those others. Neither team really got off to a hot start. Went into halftime at zero zero. But but there are certainly opportunities for crystal palace i mean even something for leicester city. I mean. they had a. They had a penalty that was saved By what's the goalkeeper's name Gwozdecky guate- honestly. Sometimes i get mixed up with the names but but still he was able to get a nice save a notch. They were out and this was a game were lesser city. We're trying to you know Rest a lot of their star players guys like jean-yves already came off the bench As well wilford indeedy christian foods. Mark all brighton. A lot of them were on the bench. Gray as well Usually guys that you see in that starting lineup and harvey barnes who has been actually killing. As wasn't that starting lineup. He did score the equaliser late in the game. After abe ridiculous goal from real for czaja. I mean i saw this goal it on. It was like a youtube channel where i was just like watching it. Some of the best better goals from You know. I guess yesterday. And i didn't see the run-up play that the run that led to this goal that zaha created for thomson. And when you see wolford's zaha running up you know avoiding a couple of guys. And then finding you know having the vision to be able to find townsend on that right side. He fell and it's very natural for a guy to like just did what i had to do. Let me just walk. Just walk forward and and not put as much effort but he still hustled got to where he needed to be and scored just an absolutely ridiculous goal from a beautiful cross from a town centimeter. Some could say that was maybe a little too far but it was just enough for the score. A ridiculous volley. That just gave casper's by no chance at saving. I mean i'm talking no chance. It was a bullet and So so that was. That certainly has goal of the week all over it. And that gave crystal palace that lead in the fifty eighth minute but harvey barnes came right back with a goal of his own. That is honestly in. Its own right just as beautiful because i mean he certainly has got the confidence with the way he's been playing as of late but To take on about three defenders and score between them. It's just he didn't he. I mean he didn't have a a lot of pressure on him when he was dribbling. But when he shot the ball he literally had three crystal palace defenders in front of him. He was able to get in between two of them and score on on on. It was just a really really nice goal. And one of those that you don't really expect a to really just come out of nowhere really did just come out of nowhere. That's the way that goal went and This game ended up in a one. One draw another one draw old. It's going to be a lot of this guy's in this show because it was just a lot of draws going on Pretty much for the past week. And lester were not able to. You know get that last gold. Neither was crystal palace neither were able to claim those points. Although they certainly had opportunities you look at the stats overall a lesser city. Just weren't kind the same thing as liverpool. They've seventeen shots only three on target. I mean that happens when you go with some of these other players. That don't have a lot of playing time under their belt. While crystal palace only had one shot on target the entire game they made count and i. It was a beautiful one at that. So big game here and and you know big one point for crystal palace who Are now at least making a little bit of distance between themselves. In that and that relegation-zone they do have two losses before this draw and and haven't had a win in their last five games but still a draws draw. They're going to take it and just move on a next. We have the game between chelsea and aston villa Pretty interesting lineup here as team. Oh verner was benched as he is not been in good form as of late. Same thing with habits Those two signings have not panned out as people were expecting them to. I mean with habits. I'm not really that worried because you know he's very young is first time playing in like a big big league. Premier the premier league but for team. Oh verner i mean he's been playing in the bundesliga for a long time. Now will was had a ridiculous season. Last year comes in on a pretty solid deal of like about fifty six million euros. I believe and has just not been that clinical finisher that people were expecting it to be. He's honestly not even helping out. In terms of like linking up play. It's just has not gone well. And you know you got joe alleviate giroux who has just been killing it you know. It's probably the top now. Maybe not the top striker. But he certainly in that top three conversation strikers in the english league You know maybe around with kane and trying to think of who else i mean. I honestly think he's even better than for me. No right now. It's it's tough. it's a bombings. Not they're like he's obviously having a tough season. But like just over. I jerus- has been that good late. Maybe he's even top two. Because i can't think of anyone else that maybe i'm forgetting someone but Maybe he doesn't want to remind me and the comments about who forgetting in the premier league but it's just he's been that good and he scored a goal in this game as well and it was an equaliser knows actually opening goal in this game and it was created pretty well but it was pretty good teen goal publicity. Who you know always seems to be so Flashy with his play was was able to create some space for bench on the left hand side and he found olivier. giroud y. You know not wide open. But we're pretty open inside the box As he headed at home was a diving header. One of those classic giroux goals and yemen. That was That was the opening gold. But then they were not able to hold on as el ghazi was able to Find his way into the open on the back post and scored between the legs. Eduard mendy to score that equaliser in the fiftieth minute and unfortunately chelsea were not able to know to find that. Go ahead goal. They had opportunities Certainly got shots on target while villa weren't as creative and as flashy as you know. See them all the season. They only had ten shots to on target. So the defense of chelsea continue to play well even though in that one instance they certainly. Didn't you know cover agasi at all. And it opened it up and completely for him. He was wide open. That backpost just wide open. Didn't you can't really fault. Many not stopping that. Because he had got a touch on it just read between legs and this disappointing result for chelsea. Were trying to you know. Go up on the top of the board like they. They've got three losses in their last five games and obviously this draw was not what they were looking for with when teams above them. You got the like you look at our simple three wins in the last five man united three wins in the last five. Everton four wins in a row. Even lester two wins in the last five and then obviously liverpool three wins. Each of them are getting points. They're getting up a wins when they need to while chelsea three losses in their last five games. Just the same as tottenham have not been able to play well at all these other teams are starting to hit a good stretch and it's crazy. How how the tables can really switch like that. You know you see chelsea tottenham near the top of the board and especially tottenham or one of the leaders for a long time but then both had a very you know tough rough patch and have not been able to really put anything together since then and then. I do quickly wanna talk about arsenal versus brighton and arsenal. Just i gotta give it to him. They get a very good win against brighton. Even though it's it's brighton. i mean. I was expecting them to be one of the surprise of season. I say all the time. And i won't let myself get away with that. It was a bad call but still arsenal. Get that one win against brighton. And you know are hopeful. It two wins in a row. And when's the last time arsenal. Could say they won two games in a row. This season They got they got it enjoy when they can men and getting those three points that starting to get them away from relegation zone they got their twenty points up there. Only six points away from top from from fifth place only for even though now. I'm looking at aston. Villa has two games in hand on them so Maybe they'll be a little bit more than than just six points but regardless the i it's it's good for arsenal to at least get this result at the moment of this of me talking right now i got man. United and wolves halftime zero zero. You got southampton dropping points against west m And both these teams are pretty much the same spot right now. It's actually funny. Their last five games have been exactly the same. We've got three draws and four three draws and four and one loss in their last four games that fifth game was a win so each of them are pretty much in that same exact form right now So it makes sense that they're nine and ten respectfully behind a slew of top clubs. You got man city starting to win a bid to win the last two wins in a row three in their last five in eighth place. I mean i still don't feel like they have a chance to win to win the title. Maybe if liver poor and lose a bit here draw you know. They just need to win. That that's destroyed. Manson needs to do an eighth place right now. They do have a few games in hand on you. Know teams like lesser city west. Sixteen games With nancy being at fourteen so It'll be interesting how this table mixes up because we know there's gonna be a lot of changes going on. I mean from ninth place to second. You got only three point difference. Only three points is very very tight at the top. I mean obviously report. Thirty two or three ahead of second-place leicester city and everton. But i mean you look at the way everton and playing and it's kinda makes me feel the way. I was feeling in the beginning of the season for them. That you know there are team at the tonkery and ready to you. Know kind of change their history and 'cause literally like i've said plenty of times before since i became a fan. Everton were a mess. Have been a mid table team. I know obviously their history the their club but for a long time. They've been one of those midtable teams. They are now proving everyone wrong. You know being one of those top teams. They made big moves in the summer. And i'm excited to see what they do for the rest of the season. So that's gonna wrap it up for this segment. Make stick around. Because when i come back we're going to be talking about the other top five leagues See what's going on as we head to this new year right after this. Are you looking to get your college football. Beck's looking to get the latest news on your favorite school steam. The diaz mc college football podcast is your ticket to all things college football. Join us as we talk all. Its bill ball from the national championship. The college rivalries the bowl game to the heisman trophy so which converts is the best. We've got you covered for the big ten as these the big twelve the pac twelve. Acc and everything in between download the gmc college football podcast on itunes stitcher soundcloud google. Play or anywhere. You find god gas just tied gs nc in the search bar front Welcome back everyone to your christmas special of the gmc soccer podcast in the last segment. We talked about the premier league matches that happened this past week and of course a little table break down as we head to the end of the year. We're almost in twinning. Twenty one guys is twenty twenty year about end goodness. But now we're gonna be talking about the other top five leagues and i'm not going to be going over the matches that have occurred or that are going to be happening right before the end of this year. I'm instead just going to do a bit of a table breakdown for each league starting with the bundesliga and then working my way to la liga and then of course league. Aw and we have a lot to talk about guys because they are. There are some tight races at the top of each of these leagues. And i just can't wait to get into each and every one of them starting with the bundesliga and before. I officially started talking about them. I just wanna make sure you know. I'm going to be talking about of course the title races. Some of the disappointments that we've had so far this season with some of the top clubs. I expected to be near the top of the tables. And of course i'll give a little bit of a a. You know a small portion of my talk to you know what's going on in the relegation battle so let's start off with boondocks lita. We have a very very exciting race. so far. At the top of the table with byron unique. Beyer leverkusen and rb leipzig. all at the top. You have fired of course at number one with thirty points. But then he got leverkusen and rb leipzig right behind them with twenty eight points. They did not finish the year on a high note which is pretty much. What makes the difference here. The top of the table leverkusen lost their last game of the year. Rb leipzig drew their last game of the year. While byron came away with a win that win was against. And we see my apologies. It was against beyer leverkusen. So yes that game did end up deciding which team was going to get the top of the table by the end of twenty twenty. Rb leipzig on the other hand. They got a draw against who against comb not a good way to end the year. They did end up winning their people. Cal- second round game against on the twenty second just before the new year. I do like the luminous lita gives these teams like a bit of a week break heading into the new year unlike the per. merely that a stacks. These games are on these players But yes oh. The bundesliga does have that three team race. I don't expect it to stay that way. Honestly i expect byron to just kind of run away with it by the by the time we reach like twenty something games. I expect byron time a sizable lead. They're not to say anything wrong with beyer leverkusen or or you know to spite spire leverkusen. Rb leipzig i. Don't expect those teams who rely a lot of young talent. To really be able to keep up with byron unix just incredible play and just like the amount of quality to have on their team. Yes i mean. It's always possible that you can get one of them. If i have to pick one of them. I'd have to go with leverkusen. I feel like they have a few more players. Know that have been there like patrick sheet. Liam bailey has been there for a while Mussa lobbies one of those guys that kind of relying on a bit much obviously got bender brothers. Jonathan charles on niece Giving cut in Demer bay you got. You got a few guys on that needle. A-team that Are you know have some veteran experience. That can certainly help team in the long run while with rb live. I feel like a as well you know. They do have those veteran leaders as well. obviously savage serb poulsen Emil forsberg. I just feel like they rely on a bit more youth. Then beyer leverkusen in like a mcconnell. kluivert's tyler adams. He olmo christopher nolan coon coup. I feel like they rely on a bit too much youth to really be able to to you. Know to battle with byron munich for the long haul Not to say that it's impossible. I mean any. These teams are all worthy of being near in this top three income. Certainly make a run for the title just in my personal opinion. I feel like bermuda on are going to are going to eventually run away with it. After that you have a few clubs that are left in the top five you have wolfsburg that have been very consistent. This season have only lost one game all year however they do have six draws near the top of in this league they obviously got some top club Some top players like maximilian arnold. Maximilian felipe joe. Victor john brooks while a wag horse one of the better Strikers in the league joseph but a kalo someone that we're going to be talking about very soon in this in the show a kevin mim babu. They got a lot of good talent on their team and Certainly deserves to be near the top of this league. They've gotten some very good results Have defeated stood guard What is it who else of the taken on. They beat will often high. They have a draw against moenchengladbach against leverkusen Let's see i mean they did lose two one to byron. It's not a bad result there But really taking advantage of the teams that they needed to and now in the next three games to start the new year they have a very challenging Schedule had they gotta take on borussia dortmund than union. Berlin and rb leipzig. Those three games back to back to back all against teams that are right around them in the In the table. And it'll certainly be a big time You know test for them to see if they really belong in this top five and then of course borussia dortmund who are easily the biggest disappointment so far in this early season you know. I have three losses in their last five games to end twenty twenty five losses in all. And that's that's honestly that's bottom of the table. That's that's the most losses of anyone in the top ten in the bundesliga so they certainly have not played to expectations. That'd be had early on in the season and that's why they're in fifth but it's just incredible to see that they be played so bad but they're still in fifth place. I honestly don't think they have a chance of the title anymore as they're now. Eight points behind byron munich. And i see no way. No how that. Bruce dorfman can make eight points this late into the season. Even though you know we're not even half way we're talking about byron munich here and it's just. There's just not possible for a champions league spot absolutely They're going to be eyeing the fourth spot with wolfsburg and maybe even a third spot. If leverkusen rb leipzig take a little bit of a fall. But still it's gonna be a tough road back for dortmund saint thing for borussia moenchengladbach who the same thing have been absolutely underwhelming. So far this season that attack that we saw absolutely light up In in the champions league can help them make it to. The knockout around has not been present in the bundesliga. And that is why they're in eighth place right now. They've got twenty four goals scored twenty two allowed and have just not been able to get the results that they were hoping for early on in the season and are behind. Stoop gart union. Berlin two teams at. Emi are clearly playing better than them. At least more consistent on both ends and it's gonna be a tough road back for them to get a european spot after being in the knockout rounds this season and then you look down at the At the or does it the Relegation battle my bag. As i got my my words Weren't coming to me yet But we got shock in last place as i was expecting with only four points in their first. Thirteen games They've pretty much gone into a full rebuild. And i feel like it's absolutely certain that there won't be relegated. This season got minds. Who was another team. That i was not expecting to be anywhere near mid-table i was them to be in a relegation battle. And that's exactly where they are with just six points and thirteen games Those two are going to be battling it out for which one's going to be worst in the league. I mean they have a slight chance. But armenia who are in sixteenth place have two wins in their last. Four games have certainly made a little bit of a distance between them and mind shock But they are right now in the relegation playoff spot. But yet it's probably gonna stick this way. I mean you might have some Swapping in that sixteen spot. But i feel like minds. Shocker gonna be just be there in that seventeen to maintain spot and get relegated so Now let's move onto stadia Which has been purely dominated by the milan squads. Acc lot have you know pretty much went out on a huge start to the season and have been leaning pretty much onset and have yet to lose a game all season. they're the only team to have zero losses in that column. And you look right behind them. I mean they have thirty four points. They've been extremely impressive but right behind them. They got inter milan. Who had been on an absolute tear as of late. They've won one two three four five six seven straight steady our matches. They have won. Seven in a row are an absolute terror to end the year. Easily the hottest team domestically to end twenty twenty. And it's got them within a point of acl on because they certainly have dropped a few points that they've lost but they do have two draws in the last five games and that's what's made it a little bit closer in that city our table. There are rumors which i'm going to be talking about in the next transfer that milan are easy. Leonard trying to strengthen their squad for this run because they certainly have a a race here on their hands but the thing is after that it drops a bit. You got a lot at thirty three points roma in third place at twenty seven. So there's a bit of a gap there and then you got napoli juventus atalanta who have a game in hand on on the teams above them in susilo roma inter. Milan acme milan. But they're still behind them. Even if juventus napoli were able to get a win they would have twenty eight and twenty seven points respectfully which would still be well behind the to milan squads in one and two so At the moment this looks to be like a two team race. Surprisingly juventus have been very inconsistent. The season Emmy maybe not so surprising. Because they're their squad looked so much less like consistent than they have in recent years and don't have the same kind of quality that i that i usually expect i mean and it. It's no. I mean obviously got run aldo is still there although he hasn't been that consisted this season or at least not consistent playing time. I like more data in that in that striker spa dijon. Kula cesky hasn't really had the same kind of impact but i was expecting Federico kiiza has shown flashes but no consistency there The licht is still trying to get his legs under him. I arthur mellow same thing. It's just it's just a lot of inconsistencies with the squad. I do love their midfield. Aaron ramsey weston mckennie adrian raviol-. It's like and you wonder which one is gonna show up that day but which robbie over but still a very strong midfield but just have not been consistent whatsoever and and the same can obviously be said for a long time in seventh place and have just been very very poor defensively and have not been that same you know an incredibly explosive attacking team that we saw last season it is just not been there because obviously joyce listen is not the same player he was last year they still got. Buffalo gomez who has their star illicit. Just you know maybe getting a little bit of work on them but They do have meeting truck. I believe they just recently got him from not miss. Am i. Wrong about that Maybe maybe a mistaking him with somebody. Somebody different but still it's just been a very inconsistent year for them to support the has been solid but a lot of those guys that were all you know making a what is it like a fluid offense altogether because yes obviously it all started with babu gomez joseph listach do sabado added dan lewis moody l. as well but it was a complete team effort that would really make this attack flow. Sins martin dehradun. A hans had the bore Mario passage all of them really came in and contributed to the team's success. And that just has not been Really showing up this year and and that is exactly why they're in seven place renouncing thing could be said about lots. He'll that offense has been even worse. This season and the defense is is exactly like we expected them to be and that's why they're eighth place right. Now they have the the worst goal Goal differential of anyone in the top nine. And it's just not looked good for them domestically this season so far And then you gotta look at some of the other teams that are above. I mean you gotta be very impressed with where roma have been able to do I mean after losing who was it They're starting to colo's unyolo. You thought they were going to be very uninspiring on the attack in but they have not. They've actually been very very strong and I've been very impressed with what i've seen from them I mean obviously you got zakho. Oh you got the the brand new signing of payroll has certainly been huge for them as well and you look at some of their stats. And obviously i. you also gotta talk about military. I mean he's been stepping it up in a big ways. Got seven goals and six assists or this season that a two has been huge seven goals for him and like said for jekyll. Six gold for him. Pellegrini has been big. I mean so. They've got a lot of a lot good performances from a lot of their players and that of course they have the back line. Which which is now. I mean you would. We were hoping you get chris mauling back which they did but he hasn't been that same consistent guy that You know they. They were hoping for gianluca. Mancini has been there Roger baez but really. It hasn't been the same defense that we saw last season but still overall very solid year so far for roma and same thing could be said for saucer wollo but i've been talking a lot about city. Let's move on discovery talking about now about la lita which at the top of the in my opinion it's been athletico madrid and only at the madrid. I mean with only thirteen matches play the thirty two points only one loss and two draws as the end twenty twenty on such a high note same thing can be said about real madrid. i mean they. Even though they have fifteen games played they do have thirty two points. They have finished their their twenty twenty campaign so far with one two three four five straight wins and that was followed by a loss to all of us and a draw to the audio and a lost of nca. So obviously things were not looking good in in november but they ended it on such a high note things are certainly looking to be turned around four madrid. Their defense is starting to play on that level that i was expecting coming into the season They've allowed just what one two goals two goals in the last five league games Have certainly been focused more on that end and their offense is obviously starting to pick it up as well. i mean. They're second in the league in school scored obviously just one goal more than athletic madrid with two games more than them but still they've been looking very good and certainly deserved to be in second place. We also see it that on the other hand a team that has just squandered their early amazing. Stir early amazing amazing early start. Hey steve and have just faltered Three straight losses to end the year two draws before that it's just too many points dropped and they're now six points behind both athletico madrid With games in hand with with those two teams having games on enhanced on them So it's it's not looking good and they can easily drop to fourth or fifth with severe having two games in hand on them and they're they're tied in points and they ended their seat. They're twenty twenty on a good note. Three wins in their last four for sylvia Starting to get it together but yeah things are not looking good for also see about a team that i was very very surprised with and obviously now you're showing the showing their true colors. It's just not working very well for them. Obviously donald silva has been a great player but loses to let the madrid. I was there last game. Levante that was a terrible result for them. Obviously they lose to barcelona. But you know you're starting to see they're getting a competition or taking on those stronger teams and they're not able to produce as much as they were early on the season when they were taking on teams like Was it like oh soon who also taken on. Let me let me you look at some of the other teams. They was it. Oh my god worthy eljay at toffee. Tease ga. They were taking on all these. You know worst team celta vigo and we're dominating them but now they're taking on the real competition and losing to barcelona and obviously you that that hurts their momentum so they loose a live on thin the now of course athletico madrid Not a good way to end the year. They do have one last game against athletic club on on december thirty first hopefully they can turn things around for them as they go into twenty twenty one and win that game They do have a semi final game against in the supercopa the espana against barcelona that will be even bigger for them because obviously the la liga title is slipping for them if they can make it to. The supercopa spun your final by defeating barcelona. That would be absolutely huge for them and would certainly turn things around four that club which is obviously down spin barcelona saint. they're starting to win. Games get consistent. Aw comparable get consistent results for them. But their last game they got a draw against eibar whenever it kind of feels like they take a step forward they take two steps back and that has been a consistent story for barcelona beat teams like the that they beat bottle delivered three. Nothing kind of taking care of business there. But then they get a two two draw against valencia and a one one draw against i bark pretty much mixed in there and not just not what you need. Now they have some favorable matchups coming up. They got a game against west athletic club granada. I'm even gonna put up a fight. They need to take care of business in those games. Those are three games in a six game span in six day span. They need to win each and every one of those if they want to start putting some pressure on the top of the table which. I don't think they really can open up until this point. And then lastly the sock about league all real quick for the first time in in like i can even remember. Psg are not at the top of the table as we head into the new year. You've got long and lil tied at thirty six at the top of table and then you have. Psg thirty five. It's just kinda mind boggling. Because i i mean yeah they. They lost four points. They've lost four games. I mean and that's that's gonna drop you that that really will and i still expect. Psg to win this league. Obviously they're going to they got they got the new Walmart to talk about that in the next segment but they do have a new manager. Ample schettino who not hopefully ignite some ignited a spark for. Psg to you know to move on for the rest of the season play at the top of their game but even in the last five games they got a loss draw so they've certainly dropped points there as well and they'll just need to keep playing at the top of the game because leong and lil see a tidal in their grasp. And they're certainly not going to be letting up especially with the doesn't have any european soccer to worry about lil. Do have some european soccer. They obviously have the europa league to worry about. You know but but they're going to be taking on. I acts that's going to be a very tough round for them. So if they and that. That's not until february. Obviously there's going to be a lot of league on games in between then and now but We'll just have to see how it all pans out. But at the moment it's very very tight at the top of that league race so a lot of exciting stuff going on in those tables. But that's gonna wrap it up for this segment. Make sure you guys stick around. Because when i come back for talking about all that transfer news going on as we head into that january transfer window. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Listen close and here this out. See there's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than our podcast. Bliss with endless hours of podcast harvard's from news sports music fashion looking entertainment fantasy football so much more stop lurking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to fill that. Podcast is whatever it may be visit us at. Www dot gs mc podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and google. Play report burn. Welcome back everyone. If you missed the last segment we talked about all the other top. Five leagues in the world just went over the tables we head into twenty twenty one. And now we're gonna be talking about some of the transfer news going on in the world today. We got that january transfer window right around the corner of rumors just heating up. And i'm just saying so excited to get into all that with you guys right now So let's just get started talking about of course messy if there's any messy news that always is at the top of the list and he's recently come out and said that he wants to play in the mls in the future and that it's always been his dream to play in the us and now there are other rumors that i've seen that says that messy and his friend. Luis suarez have a plan to play together at inter miami in twenty twenty two. And if you guys know me i am just rubbing my hands. I'm literally doing it right now just rubbing my hand together just so excited to see those two if those two guys come here because i mean even though i'm still wanna see he see what he can do with their club and see if he can you know play top level which obviously this first season. He didn't get a full season. So it's not fair to him to just write off and say he's you know washed or anything but come on. This is messy and luis suarez. I mean we saw what they can do at barcelona so just imagine what they can do in the s and the fact that there's rumors that they wanna come to inter miami. I remember when when they were first talking about Messy demand city. He'd signs some contract for him to then go to new york city f c. I was so disappointed. Because you know the talks were were very strong and there were obviously a lot of talk before inter. Miami was even a thing that beckham was gonna try to bring in the top of the top players and that includes messy so I was a little disappointed. But now i'm excited. I want to see messi. Come in play here. That would be huge. And of course they're saying it's until twenty twenty two so i still got a wait an extra year but still the fact that it's even in the air makes me feel good. I cannot wait next about their sergio. Rommel's talks because i remember madrid and sergio ramos were in some contract talks. And you kind of expect. I mean the man has been there for pretty much. Isn't i mean. I can't remember if he's been with anybody else. That's literally the only team i can ever think. Sergio ramos has been with and the contract talks have stalled with real madrid and of course with a legendary defender like would like sergio ramos with this contract ending at the end of the season. You're obviously going to have some big time clubs looming to snatch the guy because he will change your back line. I don't care if he's thirty four years old you know. Obviously he's getting up there in age and you know when you need someone that but that's the thing in my opinion it does not matter if you have a chance to like sergio ramos. You do it. I don't even care who you have in your back line. It's like that this is the kind of guy you go and get because he is a game changer. And a team that is actually looming to try to get him is josie marino and talk them and i think that would be a huge get from them. They love playing those three men of three centreback formations. He would be perfect between Whoever the heck you wanna put their. I mean they sometimes they put ben davies there. They have Was davinson sanchez. You put sergio roberson in between that. You know three centreback lineup and that changes your team. That changes the team with hurricane of top. Oh my god but yeah. Now we're gonna talk about diego. Costa reached an agreement with athletico madrid to terminate his contract he. That's that's big time. I mean honestly. I can't even say i'm surprised. Because after luis suarez made his move there to what the go. I knew diego. Doesn days were numbered. Because i mean he still good enough. I mean he's thirty two. I believe still good enough to you. Know to get some starting minutes or you know some you know a regular starting time with a time club. Even if it's you know maybe now big because there are reports that arsenal do one sign him. I have for the life of me. I do not know why maybe you know the his mentality with how serious and how you know. How rough is it. Can like kind of like ignite something for arsenal who have not scored consistently at all this season. And of course you know Ah bombing likes to play in the left. So maybe they're thinking diego costa in the middle kind of like their alleviation rude. Maybe that's the way they're thinking about it and that's really all i can think of to make it make sense But still Diego costa on his way out of athletic madrid. If he hasn't already been out and there are a lot of teams that are eyeing him. I mean obviously you got arsenal in the forefront and they're apparently the the front runners also got teams like real madrid said via barcelona all said to be interested. And i can see that. I mean with real madrid. I mean he's obviously be kind of like a backup to kareem. Ben emma he would go in whenever green beans about needs arrest for barcelona. I think that would be an excellent fit for them. He kind of fits. That mold of luis suarez not as fluid but certainly That that rough tough minded and with a high work rate of striker to you know to to really score goals. They're currently going with braithwaite. Which i think is still very solid player. And he's playing really really good right now but they need someone that that kind of garner garners attention and and costa is exactly that and of course. Getting them from a rival doesn't doesn't hurt Next week got the philadelphia union. Selling usa defender mark mckenzie to belgian side. Jank jank necessarily say but still. That's a very solid that's solid a club for mccain z. To end up. Obviously i'm thinking of it as a us mnt fan Mark because he's one of those. You defending prospects that defender prospects. That i have a lot of hope for that. I think can certainly become a regular four. The united states national team and making a move to europe was essential for that that that was his next step he was rookie of the year In the mls came came back out of really good second year for philadelphia. Union may help them get to a first seed. Obviously the mls cup playoffs did not and the way that they hoped but still he was a big part time part of their success and knocking moves to the two european stage which is always the next step for any young talent and jenkins a good organic is a very good team At least you know for for the for where they played for further. You know the belgian leak. There regularly getting time in the in the year in the europa league. I never remember the season. Obviously there are not any more because they kind of aloft but still the fact that he's going to possibly get regular european matches and experience is going to be great for his development. And i just cannot wait to see the kind of player he turns into and sticking with the mls. This is kind of small. But i'm an inter miami fan. So i gotta say brek shea sciences new deal with inter miami and i mean depending on where you're looking at it from this is small but i mean this could be really big as well. Brek shea played a huge part to inter miami success last year. i mean. obviously they didn't have a lot of success but were they did have success was when brek shea was involved. I mean he can do it on the defensive end. He's a very solid goal score. He's a veteran. That has been there and done that in the mls. Oh we certainly can help anybody that you know any new players. That aren't used to the league. When they come in. he can certainly help them there. And i just think overall this is a great signing. I always love the way that they play. Whenever brek shea was on the floor or on the court every on the field. She's and he. He's just a very solid player to have so. I'm very excited. Having an excellent arsenal is interested in alone. Move for east go however it is that the twenty eight year old is eager to join via and really not surprise me. I remember seeing an arsenal fan on af tv. Saying why would anybody want to come to arsenal when they're playing as bad as they are. And this is one of the results i remember. I talked about Dominique socialite The last episode or the episode before that where he decided to go to rb live schick instead of arsenal. And it's just starting to all pile up. I mean now east go. Even though arsenal are interested. He's kinda not doesn't wanna go he'd rather go to via and another city has a bad club. I mean they're just won the europa beliefs. I mean so. They're really in the knockout rounds. Now so obviously there are big time club but and maybe just like staying in la liga but still it just kinda goes to show where arsenal now is as a club. I mean for sure to make a loan move for east. Go would be huge for them. It would add a lot of flair and creativity to their midfield which they certainly need. I mean they need a lot of things but that's one of them and it'd be very huge move for arsenal but it kind of feels like he might stay in la liga and that would be a very good move for east coast. Well now we're gonna move onto the as g which i kind of talked about in the last segment. But they sacked thomas to cool and replaced him with former tottenham boss mardi seal schettino. And i'd like this move. I've always i not that. I didn't like to go. I thought he was a very solid manager. You know some of his Enough formations on. Some of his decision making substitutions. I kind of had left me with my head scratched my scratching my head and stuff and and i just wasn't really sure what his plan was for. You know some of these players and this kind of the way he handled it just it kinda rubbed me the wrong way and i kind of was not that i wanted him out but it was just. I wasn't really sure where. I stood with thomas. Two-car wasn't like. Oh yeah he's he's our boss of the future. This is it. It was nothing like that. And and i know it's hard to feel that way for anyone at psg. Unless they win on the champions league. But i feel like protein is the kind of guy With experience and having played having managed big time players. Like harry kane song Adelie ali he and the fact that he used to play for. He's got nearly a hundred appearances for issue between two thousand and one and two thousand three so he's got history with the club as well. It feels like an all around great signing of course any kind of signing in the middle of the year is left with some skepticism. But in the end. I think it's going to work out for. Psg and his experience is just going to work wonders for them as they move on into the knockout rounds and of course trying to win this league on season next week got inter. Milan sees liverpool striker. Debak or he as a transfer target. And i mean that he has been in the transfer rumored for a while now. There were rumors that he would be moving onto a premier league side. One of those lower sides like leeds. United maybe even one in the championship. I doubt he'd wanna move there especially being in liverpool all this and and you know having experienced all that success but a move on would be very good move forty not that he would get regular time. Obviously they got cockle but the inter. Milan feel like the twenty five year. Old would be perfect competition for their star striker All obviously lukaku are teammates already in the international level for belgium. So so there you know. The transition would be very smooth. And he's used to being behind lukaku and and you can do a lot worse than when he as your back-up striker however like i said there are some of those lower For other premier league sides lead. United that i've also been linked to him as well so i'm honestly leaning more towards him getting that Move to another premier league side and getting regular time with them over him moving to setia. Now we got a similar. I was actually very excited when i saw this news. Acme lot have been linked to crystal palace star wilfried zaha. This is going to certainly remember what i said about city. Acme lawn looking to strengthen their lineup as a during the transfer window to help them get that city title. This that help obviously slop abrahim which has been huge for milan. Wolford's aha plays that same position. He likes to play up top. He's number nine but with the injuries that slopped on hits consistently. They need that help. They need that insurance. So that if he goes down again You know especially if god forbid knocking on wood. He gets injured again and he can't play for a week two weeks. Maybe even a month they'd have a guy like zahava can easily take his place and play. I obviously it would be a whole different style of play. I mean the you know the pace that was brings but but but they still be just as clinical finisher. Maybe not as clinic was slapped on. I mean to be honest. I mean obviously in my opinion top ten striker time but still would be huge for a milan and really. It's no surprise that he is is even in these rumors as he's been rumored to be out of palace for over a year now but yes. I think there's a huge move for racing lawn next we have english midfielder declan rice and his future being up in the air as there are some big clubs that are rumored to be interested in his services. Some clubs man united and chelsea obviously would love to have a athletic and very strong defensive midfielder like declan rice in their team and a club. legend mark. Noble hopes that it won't happen that he remains in west ham but of course he does admit that you never know what can happen when big clubs are interested in these young talents obviously declaration is still very young and and can have a lot more left in the tank for west ham united it just. It just depends on what he wants. What he thinks is best for him. And in my opinion. I think staying an extra year in west ham. United won't hurt. Obviously do some more development. Gets you know regular playing time. Because he's obviously huge one of their best players and is a huge part of their success. Making a move to one of those big time clubs and getting you know maybe not getting consistent minutes right off. The bat maybe not be the best. The best move for him and his development Social certainly staying west ham will not hurt at least for another year and then maybe test the waters next january transfer window Next we got was at wolves. Pursuit of real madrid flop. Luca chevik looks to be coming to an end as a lot of those fringe players for real madrid seem to be staying at madrid until until at least until the summer not really sure why like like same thing with east like it's possible the doesn't even leave real madrid especially in this january transfer window. Most likely they'll leave in the summer when their contracts expire But real madrid do seem to be a little more Was it what's the word. I'm trying not reliant thinking of they have a little more leeway either way they seem more Willing you go steve. More willing to sell some of their players they let go of. What is it bail. Obviously that was a big time. Move and luca. Traffic has really done much since his move. There hasn't done pretty much anything since his big move there from frankfurt so You know obviously wolves needing that striker presence with Was it what's what's my god. Why am i mixing up. These names wolves. Let's get the wolves on here. 'cause i am obviously messing things up here. With their star. Striker raul mendez. Obviously being out for a long time the more you know they obviously they're going with fabio silva the moment but like i said earlier in the show know he doesn't really seem ready to just make that move as the starting number nine they need a presence like iluka vic that has you know already shown his ability to lead a club in that. You know obviously with frankfort not with real madrid to be able to make that big time. Move in you know obviously. Wolves aren't a big big club. Like real madrid. Where he'll you know shunned not live up to the hype next. We got some a war. Rumours just continue to escalate as arsenal have been interested. Since last summer for the twenty two year old it did appear that being midfielder dropped a hint about his future and it has arsenal fans convinced that he will making a move to the emirates. Not really sure if this is actually going to happen. Arming the Leon had a huge chance to let him go during the summer window and it kind of felt like they weren't really a part of the title race but now they are right there in the race and there'd be literally no reason for them to let him go none whatsoever and if they did. I'd be extremely extremely surprised. Because i mean the fact that they're literally leading the table at the moment and he's a huge part of what they do. I mean he's obviously one of their best players and letting him go during the transfer window when he's when when they're doing so well would not be the best decision. I just don't expect it to happen. And of course is another snub for arsenal that continues to be It just seems to be a trend for them now. But i last talked about. Why now them continuing to be linked to barcelona as manager ronald koeman has been interested in the midfielder for some time obviously loves why now diminish play style having managed him for the In the netherlands national team and those rumors will only continue to escalate as on them has yet to accept. A new contract offer from liverpool. Future is just up in the air and no one really knows what's going to happen there. That would be a huge get for coleman and barcelona as now them getting slotted into that midfield along with a boost skits and obviously Dejean will just be huge for them. But that's going to wrap it up for this segment. Make you guys stick around. Because when i come back. I'm talking about the top ten current croatia players. Right now right. After this this is your ultimate stopper. Everything sports the golden state media concepts sports podcast. Should i say more from the nfl. Mlb the nba mma. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen now welcome back everyone if you missed last segment. We talked about all the transfer news and rumors going on in the world of soccer. If you guys missed that to know what's going on make sure you guys check that out. But now we're gonna be talking about the top ten current croatia players in the world and like they say. This is the golden age of croatia football. And they're not lying. I mean there are a lot of great names on this list. And there's some that. I'm not even gonna be mentioning out. Say it right now. Guys like men soup kitchen that will now be on this list. I feel like an anti ravage. A lot of great players. That will not be on this list and because it stacked i mean. Croatia have a really good team. Mean that's why they're borderline top ten country in the entire world of soccer so Let's just get right into it. Starting with number ten josip but it decarlo the twenty two year old left winger from wolfsburg. Look in this club stats. He's got one hundred thirty. Three matches played. Eighty four starts with eighteen goals and sixteen assists and for croatia. He's got seventeen caps. Eight starts going three goals in three assists. So right off the bat you look at those stats and you can tell joseph Gallos a very versatile player. He doesn't necessarily do one thing extremely well. He's a very you know. Just he does a lot of things. Well i mean he's he's got great. Technical ability is a great dribbler. has very solid pace and and and really creates a lot of actions for wolfsburg. Not his one of those wingers. That'll look for his shot more than anything. He likes to get his teammates involved. You know finds those Four runs very you know it makes those forward passes Very often and executes them very well But just the one thing that berko does. That's extremely it's just as worker. It's it's how much he works. On both sides. He has no problem getting back and helping out on the defensive. A his pace is overwhelming for a lot of defenders and attackers that They can't really get away from him and when he has the ball at his feet. It's very hard to get it away from him. His balances berry strong or is very good. He he's very strong for his frame and just overall is very athletic so Carlo is certainly one of those croatian youngsters that is going to be. You know kind of taking on a hold onto that torch For the older players a little higher up this list and and it's going to be very important for for their future next at number nine. We have dominic lavar kovic. The twenty five year old goalkeeper from dinamo zagreb. He's got two hundred and twenty nine matches played and two hundred twenty nine starts to go with a six eighty seven. Save percentage and eighty seven clean sheets for club. And he's got fifteen caps fifteen starts to go with a six seventy eight. Save percentage in three clean sheets and that six eight. Save percentage for. Croatia doesn't really do justice with the way he's playing as of late this season and i believe it's about six matches. He's got an a plus eight twenty save percentage and has just been killing it. I mean i go. And i looked at some of his highlights in his reaction. Time is reflexes is ridiculous. There are times when players get. I i can i can. I can't even count the amount of times that had an attacker would go in and hit an annual strike for goal and live lavar. Kovic would just save it. Re- ridiculous saves diving saves and they would have this this reaction of just unbelievably but they can't believe it. I can't count how many times i saw that. On my hand on his highlight reel. It's insane the amount of time he's able to was he was he could do that at a lot of that has to do with his positioning and his overall athleticism. He's he's. He's very underrated in that sense. And i don't understand why he hasn't really been talked in terms of like you know maybe making their onto a top club. I i know he plays in dinamo. Zagreb being one of those like well known clubs obviously not one that i really keep track of at all but i mean he's got serious skill and then you look at his abilities with the ball. He's got major sweeper keeper potential. And when you when you talk about all of these things combined he can be a big time leader for this croatian national team for years to come in just twenty five years old to be just the you know to already be there number one goalkeeper. That's a very very good sign Number eight we have dijon low veteran the thirty one year old center back from zenit obviously a longtime liverpool defender of certainly has probably some of the most the most experience on this list. He's got four hundred and one matches played three hundred and seventy eight starts to go with eighteen goals in six assists and for countries fifty one caps forty eight starts and four goals so Dish lowering as one of those defenders that you love to have as death on your club for country. It's just you know to have them in your back line it. It's it's great because he's He's got a lot of experience is a very smart defender. Doesn't make too many mistakes on that end. Obviously at this point is career doesn't have you know overwhelming athleticism. But he is a very very smart player. His his passing abilities are very strong as well. He has a excellent long ball Accuracy there are so many times when he was in liverpool where he would be used as one of the s pretty much like a deep lying playmaker where he would find wingers and fullback like alexander andrew robertson running on the wings and would would find them with very accurate shots The only reason he doesn't go any higher on this list. Because because i just feel like you know especially the guy ahead of them just has a little bit more definitely has more potential and is just a little bit better right now but still deshaun over an is certainly one of those guys that a lot of these players on croatia and pretty much any team he goes to look to as a leader and someone that they look up to and can learn from incredibly Just a lot Number seven. we have dudack galeta car. The twenty four year old centre-back from marseille. He's got one hundred. Seventy one matches played one hundred sixty two starts to go with seven goals and five assists and for croatian. He's just getting started has nine caps and six starts now Carlita car as incredibly physical. I mean he is a strong human being to say the least and he makes it known to pretty much anybody. I've never seen so much pushing. And just physicality on a highlight reel. I mean this man makes his presence known in the air on pretty much any defensive. Play the only thing with him is that he is. He's not the smartest defender. There are a lot of times where he gets caught out of position and you know attackers are able to get by him so he commits silly fouls and almost made me put them underneath are lowering and honestly. Some people might think that i should have. And i. i don't know. I just feel like you know. He's also still very smart with the ball at his feet he eased. He stays compose even when he has a attackers around. Trying to take the ball away from him and incre- errors and that's of why i made hayme number seven instead of eight if he didn't have that ability along with this know obviously very physics of the civil and and there's pretty much no defender that i could think of that it has physical as him And an just with that composure. With the ball makes them feel like he's good enough to be number seven on this list at number six. We have on the dish commemorative the twenty nine year. Old striker from hoffman heim. He's got three hundred and twenty four matches played two hundred and forty four starts to go with one hundred and sixty goals and forty six assists and for croatia's got forty eight matches played twenty three starts to go with thirteen goals and three assists now grammar rich. I talk about him so much on this on this show. Just how underrated he is. And honestly. I didn't even realize he was croatian because i rarely would see him on the croatian side because he's used more off the bench obviously spot starter because a lot of the time. Men soup kitchen is used as that starter but i definitely believe that accommodate with mendocino getting up there in age. I believe he's like thirty two or thirty three now. I believe i believe that at twenty nine and purely in his prime in the middle of his prime deserves to be that starting number nine four croatia. I mean you cannot let this man get the ball in the box. He will score in pretty much any way necessary. He's got the flare with that as well. He's got great athleticism and is also a very solid passer. He's got twenty of forty six assists in his entire career. But in the bundesliga he's got just over twenty and is certainly not a inept of getting. His teammates involved can do that in a lot of different ways. And i just feel. He's slept eight complete striker and is easily one of the best strikers. If not the second best striker just behind low and ski in the bundesliga. And that's saying a lot. I mean maybe with team over there he was probably third or fourth is wedged horse from wolfsburg was playing very well but at the moment no doubt in my mind which is the second best second. Best striker in the bundesliga. No doubt at number five. We have yvonne betty to the thirty one year old left from inter milan For club he's got four hundred and fifty three matches played and three hundred and forty two starts. He's also got one hundred and twenty goals and seventy assists. He and for gray. She's got eighty seven caps. Seventy four starts twenty six goals and seventeen assists. He has the second. Most caps for croatia on this list is honestly a very versatile and all around player on the attack and pretty much his entire game. He's a great passer. Great goal score has amazing technical ability even even at his age of thirty one. He's still got very solid pace. I mean when he was younger in his late twenty s he was considered one of the better wingers in the world and when he made that move to buyer munich on loan It was a big move for him and he was a big time part of their success in winning the treble and obviously eventually the champions league and i mean he can do it all. I mean his dribbling is great. His stepovers are legendary and and he can do it all on the attack. But what makes me lopez. Even more is the fact that he has the work-rate to go along with that skill he could get back on. The defensive end has incredible hustle. I remember seeing him absolutely mall. Mim bopping numerous times in the champions league final. I mean at the time. I hated him. But obviously now you just gotta appreciate the ability and skill that even participant shows on a daily basis and he absolutely deserves to be a in the top five. Maybe not for much longer but at the moment he is certainly still top five player in croatia. Four ratio at the moment. And i mean on top of the fact that he has so much skill is one of the most experienced players on this list as well has done so many things obviously was with them for the running. The world cup has won. A champions league has won league titles has done so much in his career and is certainly one of those players that people look up to at number four. We have marcello bro. Cevic twenty eight year old. Senator defensive midfielder for inter milan He's got three hundred and fifty four matches played three hundred and three starts to go with forty goals and forty four assists and for croatia. He's got fifty four caps. Forty one starts to go with six goals and seven assists. Now when i think about also vich. I don't really think about a stat sheet stuffer. 'cause he doesn't really i mean certainly he can get goals. He can provide a cyst because he's a deep lying playmaker in pretty much every way how ever. It's what he does that. He thinks he does a dozen show up on the stat board. That really makes me feel like he is such an incredible player. He's super versatile. Can play pretty much anywhere on the in in the midfield certainly is played more in the senate defensive building role because of his incredible defensive iq but his ability to also get forward. You know his great technical ability with the ball. And just hayes. Composure obviously works well in attack as you know. Also but it's just you know his tackling. Hey you know. obviously it's just. His all around game makes an easy choice for a number four. Honestly at some point. I would have put them in the top three issues. That there's a player that i feel has just has stepped it up to a different level As of late and certainly deserves to be in that top three. You guys already know two of them. Lamar but for me marcelo bro. Cevic deserves to be the fourth best. Croatia player right now. Now at number three we have even teach thirty two year old center. Midfielder from sylvia. He's clubs got six hundred and fourteen matches played. Four hundred and eighty seven starts to go with eighty nine goals and ninety assists and for croatia. He's got eighty three caps. Seventy three starts to go with eleven goals and eleven assists as you can see there for most status and all around player in the midfield can help control the tempo of any midfield. He joins obviously is doing that for severe taking a little bit of time for him to get his legs under him but was literally a key player for barcelona for so many years and now that he's as thirty two doesn't have that athleticism that he had There you know with the with those With the spanish giants but he still an extremely versatile and an all around player for you know just for any team he plays for. I mean you look those eighty nine goals and ninety assists. He can do it both ways. He gets teammates involved all the time and it is an excellent goal score. Isn't one of those guys that can score from pretty much anywhere even though you know he certainly does. It certainly does it. But the thing is he's such a good player. I mean just you know with what he does on a night tonight. basis the way he combs his teammates down. And just has that composure with the ball and just to be able to control the temple. He does so many things it's hard to put him. He can't go any lower and for years he's not going to go any lower in my opinion but still you bought it. Architecture is a great player and easily one of the best players right now number. Two we have matteo kovachevich. The twenty six year old center midfielder for chelsea he's got three hundred and seventy matches played two hundred thirty nine starts to go with seventeen goals and thirty five assists and for quake. She's got sixty one caps. Thirty eight starts to go three goals in six assists now. Matteo makovich was seen as a prospect for madrid. For a long time. I remember when he first joined them. And and you know he was one of those that people were very excited for of didn't live up to those expectations there so he made that move to chelsea best thing he could have done because now he is easily one of their most important players and those a lot of the things that ditch does where he controls the tempo of any midfield. He's on can score incredible goals but also loves to get his teammates involved his vision and his technical ability is great for his size. I mean he's a very big player. He's a strong player but he's got agility and athleticism to get by multiple defenders and the vision to complete those runs with excellent passes and does it so many times so many times and his d- his defense is also very very very good and overall mattel. Kovic is just ate a very versatile player. One of those guys just like racquet tissue you can put them pretty much anywhere in the midfield and you can even put them. Maybe wouldn't put them in the back line but you could because he's that versatile because he's strong. He has an amazing work great. He's great with the bought feet and just a so. Many good things for his team is one of those players pretty much any team would want on his squad on their squad So yeah malkovich has made that leap to the second best player for croatia. And he's going to be there for some time. Might even be best player preparation for a long long time But not yet because at number one we have luca motoric five hundred and fourteen matches played. Four hundred and fifty five starts to go with fifty four goals and seventy three assists and for croatia. He's got one hundred and six caps. Ninety eight starts with fourteen goals and nine assists just an absolute magician with the ball. Luca motoric is one of the greatest players of my lifetime and has carved out a legendary career. I mean that years when you know when he helped croatia make it to. the world. cup was easily. Their best player has been their best player for years has been their best player throughout this golden age of croatia football and won the balloon. They order that year has been a key piece to real. Madrid's you know just consistency and it's crazy. How thirty five years old. He still honestly probably their best player. And i mean you look at his stats. I mean he obviously can get goals and he can get some crazy wonder goal. I mean there's things that i've seen. Luke take that. It's just it just keeps my my jaw open and and just on the floor. Because he is crazy what he does and his technical. Billy's obviously top. He makes guys look silly at times his vision and passing ability. Is you know elite. He can make pretty much any pass. You need them to the only thing is that now. He's thirty five years old. he's not able to be used as often as row. Madrid would like it obviously love him out there ninety minutes for every single game because he's that good. It's just not possible anymore and this might be the last year that luca mosaic is the best croatian player right now but i still cannot put him any lower the number one because he does pretty much anything you need him to in that midfield and is just as important as any player on this list and h-honestly that's why he comes in at number one. I can't think of deserves to be there. So that's going to wrap it up for this segment. Make sure you know you guys just continue to keep watching. Because i love giving you guys more content but as always thank you for listening to the gmc soccer podcast brought to you by the gmc. Podcast network. I would like to ask you. Please remember to subscribe to the show and write a nice review. That really helps us. 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Fixing Real Madrid's Mistakes

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Fixing Real Madrid's Mistakes

"Welcome indecision Espn fc sebastian. We're going to be joined in just a little bit by shock. His law frank leboeuf and in dark to cover everything from shockers power rankings to arsenal's performance against crystal palace but we start in spain semifinals to be exact spanish supercup pulling the upset over real madrid. Couple first half goals from garcia a late strike from bensimon cut the lead in half but real madrid unable to overcome the deficit denying us and classical on sunday between real madrid and barcelona spanish supercup. We're joined now by moreno and julia iran. I'll i'll start with you. What happened to madrid today. There were huge stretches of this match. Were almost felt like they didn't want to be there. But what happened is for without. This became an important competition whereas for me times. Yeah they look. The centrist is certainly in the. I haven't then when you are disinterested even if you don't mean to be so you start making silly mistakes in the case of lucas vasquez. Who has been very good for this team. And very consistent for senior tonight was a difficult match. And that's an understatement. Hayes turnover leads to the i e catches the team absolutely completely straightened out a possession when you turn the ball over like that and everybody's tried to try to make to feel wider. That means that the spaces in between the defenders are much bigger. And that's what got see bob dylan and scored the first goal. And then wars than bad. I suppose is the fact that he doubles down in the mistake. And then takes down a player for penalty gig. Say scores out one as well so Tough match lucas bascus but is not the only player that had a tough match in hasa. My goodness my goodness struggled for this guy are real and we are going to focus on him simply because of the expectation that there is in has at some point becoming a difference maker for this team and he's just not happening ends. You were ever to picture a guy that is lacking confidence. I player of the level of enhancer and lacking confidence. Go to the twenty eighth minute of this game where there is a ball that splitting behind good movement of the ball biden has. He's now through on goal. There is a direct path for him to go to school. The closest defender to him maybe five yards away. He never takes tours goal. Takes a touch to the outside and then cut the ball back to no one in particular and you send this guy. Right now does not believe in his ability. And when you see that from in hazard that's part that is concerning because there's no longer about fitness. Those is no longer about trust in. His body is now about the fact that he doesn't quite trust himself as a player that needs to change and gills if there was ever matt for elementary needed has needed somebody to make something happen to break through this. It's not shortage of opportunities from sudan. Has it keeps getting. These starts and yet no production. Yes that's right. I mean. I can see why and as he explained after the games. You don byas on saying you know. We have to be patient. He's lost confidence that that will come back with a goal and cbs's storm was almost gaming. Second half that was a great move for senator. Who deposed and this a good. Pass a good cross gook back from from hazards but there's something missing clearly then again. I think it'd be like augusta sooner. When we debrief again without evidence choices and tactical choices in terms of person and. I don't understand why you play the sent him again. When you've been sewerage against a few days ago other understand. Why is not a few changes that at least at least evolved again to iran natural halftime. Bit lucas vasquez. I'm sorry which never have a right winger as a backup right-back this should not happen. Nine o'clock this you me go because you didn't really believe in Especially defensively no problem. Are you need backup there for cover. You look vasquez. Who's a right winger. And as always spread while go to play the robot can cover for one game or two maybe. When is for too long. There's a problem then. We've seen that decision and again. Why he's coming bensimon coming off. I'm sorry there's two minutes to go in a normal time. Plus as we saw six minutes of time why are you taking him off. The rain is game. you don't need to rest him for anything. Leave him until the end was your most threatening player. And he's just goethe's world so there's a lot of things. I'm i'm really struggling to understand from tonight ally you agree with jules. How much of. This is on the manager party which he repeats. The starting eleven. That's that that's difficult to explain from sudan's perspective to be honest with you. I can't quite fan. And i think one of the changes that you may even within having the same player personnel is that he started wearing a more central position rather than coming from a wider area. That's catering to the fact that has it doesn't want any is not taking advantage of one bond situations so he's just going to go inside and combine but when he goes inside he gets lost. Medical essentially became the player that was most dangerous and most likely to hurt athletic. Bilbao in the second half and where. I totally agree with doing. Is the fact that if you were picturing that somebody was going to score a goal for late a header by setting ramos which he almost did or something that falls too expensive the everybody else. You don't really trust that they're going to be able to score that big old and so when mighty on steps on the field and the camera takes a while to kind of picture or pictures to who's coming up and then you see that he's been semi this coming off. My first reaction is well. he must be entered. There must be something wrong physically with him because otherwise this doesn't make any sense leap. That guy out there and you trust that he's going to do something special for you because there's nobody else that you can trust. Who are you going to lean on. Are you telling me that be nieces is going to be the guy who's going to score the big. I don think so. Medical center was active. But he hit the post here the crossbar. They seems going to score the big goal. I don't think so. Where's it going to come from if not from karen. Bensimon is now frontier ramos. That's a question that we've asked time after time after time. I'm more times than not been semis. Come to moretons wrong. us come through. But when they're another one's going to go. I don't know where it's coming from jews. This team always seems to step up when their backs against the wall. But not when it's not that way here it's interesting is very much sort of like the doctor and the hot again to now. We've seen that often. The season sometimes usually starts really well and then they saw fade away or they kind of want control the game and and some stop playing like we saw against for example. It's really strange. I dunno if if they can't keep the same intensity for ninety minutes if if allies ryan maybe tonight this is so poorly because they were not really into it which again. i'm not sure it's forgivable to madrid. even if he's only the super cab over this clearly something. The dan and the players have to rectify. Because when you come to begins later in the season in the champions league anne in the title race with at t you would need to be able to rectify that because otherwise you'd have more games like tonight where you so bad in the first half that you can't come back into the game the second half you've even if you play much better i'll they're not consistent enough team to challenge athleti at this point and i thought that they would be. I thought after they beat athletic the in the manner in which they beat up letting me. I have come on the show and say you know what i feel like israel. Marie can touch medical maria and can get ahead of them as well. There was a certain show of strength of personality. They're against athletic. Commodity that we didn't see from commodity actually backed off on monday backed off from the fight. And that i thought okay. This is the moment in which ran my that. He really finds this consistency. Any man they did for a couple of weeks. But then we've gone back to what you just alluded to the fact that are games in which they show up and it's kinda like you know what guys now today not for us not right now not feeling it. Don really think so. And you can't have bad one you've been trailing the whole year to letting married you have to be a your very best or at the very least make sure that you get three points at a time in la liga competition so that you're putting pressure because the one time that you put pressure athletic took a step back and that was in the head to head matchup. I thought they would be consistency. And there hasn't been that's disappointing from a player's perspective. But he's also disappointing from my coaching perspective. Well other news for real madrid. Of course luca yovich head on a rest of season loan back to untracked frankfurt gills. This after the club paid sixteen million euros. Form in honor of luke yovich. We had you build your worst real madrid. Transfers of all time where does yovich fit into this list. Quite high rub because you know it might not be. He's and responsibility and they might be a few factors uae. He flopped so so much. I read madrid's but bay. he's hot. he has to be with jonathan woodgate. Full-back wade the royston. I mean i'll pick up at five first and then and then we decided to go to ten gone to fifteen easily. The some on the list are more into the than others but it has to be shine because he was so good with frankfurt when they are really good season in the league and the europa league before the move he was wanted by lows of clubs. You decided to go to madrid. And and i think in many ways we also okay. This is a different profiles. Akara invents. this can work and again whether it's on him a bit on the dan on the the club environment expedition. I'm sure why. But what's for sure is that he was a big flop. I'll hazard no hamas no cacao and julius listed Did he miss anybody else. I've also anelka. He wasn't great for read. Here's another more still a player who's still around. And that is the nil. Then email continues to go on victim after big team after big t and marine and it's my city and is juventus and you're thinking boy. I like to be his agent. This guy selling smoke this guy. Whatever he's selling. They're buying in terms of a disappointed and interns kokos. I think you you say the biggest for have transfer bus because of the expectation that there was combing through around my they need and what he had been with me. Land the best player in the world never never because of injuries and other circumstances. Never nowhere near that. I've got to say jews. I was surprised you left. Kickoff off that list. Oh i know i know to be fair i did. I did think about long. Sam with hamas and some with anelka in many ways. Won't you that that champions league and just for that he doesn't deserve to delays hamas hud's especially one amazing season where he even christiana will just outstanding together one of the most lethal partnership in europe that year. And for yet. Yeah you're right. There's a good case for him to be on that list or those are really. I mean they were really tabled kakadu moments with madrid and there are richer. But you're right. The expectations were so high for what he brought. The difference is big and and maybe just for that. It could have been on on on the list on today's performance alone. Why isn't eden hazard on that list. Because again we discussed. Before the show. I i okay. I understand everything and i'm going to be biased. Because i i like the guy a lot and i know him and he's a great guy i really believe. He's an incredible talent. However if spent eighty percents of camera madrid injured does not has does not. He's ford and i think he's really harsh and hard to judge someone especially in motson live big flops and big failures and players who returned declare when he spent most of the time injured when it was not. He's four so that's why he's not on there if he comes back and plays injury for for a whole year and he's more like we saw today or like against the sooner. Then okay we can talk again but right now after all in injured time. I think he's really put him on the list What do you think about jewish taking care of his buddy eden well just a reminder this injury situation from hassard that jillian says it's not his fault started with him. Come into out of shape. It came with him come to real madrid with his body. Not taking care of so. The foundation was never there for in has to be fully fit. And that's on him on the professional on the guy that's supposed to go on this big transfer the first moment you show you of flying. Because that's what is expected of you. He wasn't fit to begin with and then everything has followed by those cracks in the foundation. They came from in hazard. They didn't come from anybody else. Jewels last word out showed it was the same for every summer. Checks never got the the degree of injury daigle remedied. And by the way the big injury is to many against. Psg who who was broke. His ankle does not. That's not he's or if you're too many chips in the summer when he was back home in bedroom all right so. Are you telling me doing that if it and this is this is simply from experience when you come into camp and you're ready to go and your body's ready you trust yourself to be able to do your job ahead of that injury that you just mentioned is in the hassle was flying is not like he was playing. Great wasn't heavily criticized. He was already on the wrong pat. And that's my point you go to roundly you get on the right path. You have to do that from the very beginning if you go down the wrong fat. And then everything happens afterwards. Is something that you brought on yourself. Yes there's been some misfortune but he started on the wrong fat and that's on him i we're done with this segment real. Madrid's time in the supercup done as well. The final on sunday barcelona and bilbao do own or rent. Your home. sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Geico easy visit dot com today. That's geico dot com. Just the one match. The english top-flight then on thursday arsenal. At-home scoreless draw against crystal palace at the chance to move into the top ten that despite arsenal dominating possession throughout the match for more. We're joined by franklin up shocker. His lap and ian darke. In all start with you. How should arsenal fans feel about this performance. They had a lion share possession but in the end couldn't get the three points and crystal palace with a better team in the first half. They hit the ball. They have to make a really good site from ben tech a crystal palace. Very well organized. This was a sign that letting seven the other week against liverpool. But they've got their mojo back now and they got point off snow. I think they lacked fire. The spark that they've had lately they were trying to make it four. Wins on the bounce. But it didn't truthfully looked like he was going to happen. It looked body was really a table game. Set the say that for us. They're still eight points to talk for a shock. Seventy percent possession for arsenal in this match. Why aren't they more dangerous. A lot of those plays a lacking in confidence even though they're kind of finding the sheep and soccer continues to be as good as we house all season smith. Roses out something to this team. But considering when obama yang for helping on puffing confined find himself in goalscoring positions. I went opportunities. Dropped the lockers at times today. At least i it felt as though he left he left the shooting boots whom he found himself in good positions do see but attack just a little bit slow to pull the trigger then when he did just a little bit of the mark In the end this like a mill. Probably fifty fifty minute frank. Shaq mentions of young. Where was he today. Well nowhere near. Rita say know. I think mentioned that he was the best signing during the summertime because it was free and should have gone to any other club and everybody was pleasing. Was the we in denmark but the proves wrong in a way that seeing the beginning a seasonal muslim of it. We don't see the young of the last season the season before. So i wanted. I know yes quality. I know he has to. He's going to get his confidence back. It's up to auditor to keep on mckean. The captain of of the governor steel and and giving him the chance to be in the first eleven obama s quality assured during his career is going to be back. But when i don't have the answer at one point we were asking. What's the basement for this arsenal team. Could they possibly be relegated. I'll ask you now after the recent good form and just the draw today. What's their ceiling. Is it top ten. Top six is a top four losers. A strange season isn't it with the players operating in such an alien environment. At the moment i think it is affecting the games that it affects the players. There are members of the human race. Likely the rest of us. I don't think is predictable. This season at all. I think strange things happen. Strange things will happen There their aim is still to finish in the top four but they need a heck of around from this point where they are. I mean tonight's what they missed caring tinny on the left hand side to give them some thrust down the he's been in brilliant form and he was a big miss it. I think tonight one of the reasons they couldn't really oven crystal palace up but you know they've not give themselves too much room for error because the start they made so it's obsta games they will get in the top four argument but that will be relegation. They're not gonna get in that. Let's push onto spurs of course a disappointing one. One draw against fulham on wednesday. Josie marina with some interesting comments after the match. He did admit actually in the second. Half full and played veteran more than spurs said. The goal was completely avoidable. That they surrendered. But here's the quote that's already talking. There are things that are individual. There are things that are individual qualities and individual mistakes. basically. I cannot say much more than that you know. Start with you. Yesterday's show we were all pointing the finger josie marino for spurs poor performance against fulham. Here it seems like he's pointing his finger at his players. What do you make of. It would be the first time. Because he's thrown a few close under the bus in recent years especially a manchester united to be fair. He was naming any names. Which is i think why. He didn't go any further. But there is a big problem. I think for tottenham And i don't think they'd be getting away with it quite so much the crowds wherein that they getting into the lead in games and then they're trying to sit on it. That's what happened. That's what they did again against fulham fi times this season now. They've lead at halftime and it's ended up as the draw and he did a gain for them deserve the drawers. Well so that's ten points down the drain so five like to see them get on the front put a little bit more. I know jersey's trying to make the mundane machine. They've got to a league final. That's all great. But i think they can be more attacking than they are. Franks i clearly. Aren't closing out gains that down to joe's marinas tactics or the players as marie suggesting it's for more marines tactics. You know where you want to wait. You know to to get some contract. Which is the best tool that disperse have and and the used the most and but in in order to get the contract you have to drop a little bit. Wait for the for the opening to attack you and you go for risk. And this what happened. And he swiped me. Because he'd go they went. I mean yesterday. I thought the first half Did well they pay well the leading the game and they the the the vin scored a goal after that and the and nothing to say much about the above the tactic in the way. We're playing but suddenly dropped a bit physically because when you don't have the ball you have to run after it and he's more tiring than the when you have the ball and i think what you just explained that and i was mentioning yesterday but yeah that's the main point for me if you defend and you wanna defend because you want to attract the opponent contract them you european some dose taku singles and this may be why because in gold muslim the cigna and they must be draw For games like that for example guys. We've been talking a lot. Lot of penalties of late specifically how many manchester united get. Your klopp is weighed. In a former premier league official mark klatten berg weighing in. I wrote this for the daily mail. Quote jurgen klopp is wrong to suggest there's an aura around united. That seems them get favorable decisions. Used to be when. I was there but that has eased massively since he left. I'm the only referee to give three penalties to the opposition at old trafford and that was for liverpool of all teams in two thousand fourteen. But david moyes was manager. I'm not sure that would have happened when i was there Shocker the screaming about for quite some time. But what do you make of clinton berg's admission. I find it astonishing in all honesty. I referee is highly. Thought of as ma klatten big comes out and admits that against clubs or more to the point here against it manages their that that he would or would not make in all honesty. The article innocent tardy is is an incredible thing. He speaks an age about players diving. And who needs to do this and who should do that. And how many how. Many properties reviewed almost three line. The and he says well wednesday. Alex was there. I'm not sure would have given somebody calls. Did after he left. And i mean the rely on referees for impartiality for the into petition of satan incidents when you as a player who played for smaller clubs for the majority of my career. Something that i felt. Clubs benefited from an awful lot. Big clubs will tell you otherwise but no over sudden the bastions of impartiality the guardians of the game and the referees. Coming coming out on seeing exactly that what what what what chance the have here. I mean this. I don't know where to start to end in my criticism of around this frank from a player's perspective. What do you think when you see these comments from former referee. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised because even in the rules of defied an old domestic championship. You have a question. Mark about referees impossibility why referee belonging to and why referee supporting team kuna. Coudn't ref those team of this city is because there is a dot of infidelity it because we think that it could be a partial zone esther towards the opening. That's why that's just human. So i do that. Clinton berg did his best to to ref all during this carrier. But i'm sure he had a favorite team me. He wasn't the pressure and sometimes maybe he did something that he didn't want to do that. Many of his teammates his come off looking bad to you and all this. I think he was trying to make a point about the mind games between year clock and manchester united ahead of the game on sunday. But the voice the right. That's quite a revelation. I think he's been quite well known in the game that sir. Alex ferguson was Happened to put this quite good at using the magnetism of his personality. He knew that referees wanted to do big games at manchester united to get those key assignments at old trafford. And i think he was quite clever. Really in just suckley. I think it's a bit more nuance than at the referees being biased or anything like that but when they came to old trafford and they were refereeing there for the first time. I think. Let's put it this way sir. Alex ferguson was was aware of that fact. So do teams get a raw deal when they go to old trafford these days but perhaps in that people would say they invited done shock. A final word to you all on sub. Here's the other. here's the other thing too. This mark clocking bug refereed. The tourney sixteen champions league final just looked it up between genetic madrid f. He admits that he changes his into petition of incidents to benefit break clubs or charismatic managers. If you dig uses deal was simeoni and let's madrid given the you lost a champions league final on priorities. You know wondering well. I wonder what would have happened if we had a referee who was just totally neutral. No you're reviewing everything that happened and the hundred and twenty minutes of that champions league final and unquestioning it questioning every single one of cotton boobs decisions fair enough. We'll leave it there for now. Plenty of big games coming up this weekend including the aforementioned liverpool and manchester united. We will be all over that on tomorrow's edition of espn nfc. Make sure to join us. It's thursday you know what that means the return of shock his lobs power rankings. There you see a new number. One in some big boys left out via munich has dropped out liverpool for a second straight week. Not in shock as top ten shockers back so our ally and ian darke shock explain yourself. How did we get rangers to number one. I'm not sure said i think. Just set off the power rankings to. Hi i'm no all of a sudden. I'm struggling to live up to my own expecting struggled. I admit a struggle right. Let's walk through it. Sign on joint up in the busy ten basic task back to win anyways nine. Phd lifts silverware in the cup but that marie supported tino as milan beaten thereto. Twice was up there in backing and seven you've read the surrendered at six after all kinds of noise last week. Portal five athletic madrid four. Then here's where it got really difficult out. Struggled frieden real wiggle room between city and united so we city to united three because my city beat them in the cup in glasgow rangers rangers and the to last week thinking well buying will give me a couple of weeks to figure out what i'm gonna do at glasgow. Arenas long-term they're buying lose to on the spin. I'm having to put glasgow rangers in a number one. I'm not sure how they got there. I do but the scottish football so you use the word struggle their shock. I think your explanation struggling a little bit to allah. Where did he struggle the most waking up this morning when you ask shaka why glasgow rangers number one and his answer is. I don't know that in itself sums up tom. Much workshop kazlo puts into this. He doesn't know and he one does. It's football because it's football. That's why glass let me nation. S su he issue. Glasgow rangers have lost once since august. But they know what the level of the competition and this is including europa league granted. But we're not planning and european action obviously since december but it's just going onto governor defeated even this long and scott only four points the league but how highly do iraq scottish football against everybody else and that's my big berry high. Apparently van every high in rangers The best team in the world your thoughts you say stephen girard a really great job there. I mean they're so far clear now that you need to tell us go to see the rest of the year that celtic were thinking that. We're gonna win. I think ten times in a row. So that's not gonna happen this time even though got a low two games in hand so i'm not going to ocoee we shack or if he wants to put rangers at number one it is a bit freshman is a bit different. I'm ju- manchester city. Fourteen on manchester united. I think what's it out today. Got twenty nine points. I the lobster three. So they'd have their arguments as well but wait to argue with his power rankings. Very well Well i i agree. He's putting in glasgow rangers if he's putting in all this other teams and embiid sick and so on and so forth and final. Hey how about a little bit of love to a south american club about that made it into the final. There are actually about to win a significant trophy about we hit the santos are we hit. Open made us. Maybe we go in that direction. We're saying it's football okay. Give us give some to south america as well holding baby fall breakdown coming up on. Today's edition of extra time shocker. We'll we'll tell us all that. We need to know about the all brazilian finals. Then that'll do it for today's edition of espn se. Thanks to frank. Above and julian ron for joining us right now. What you've been waiting for extra time. Dr shock his lap and marino. Enjoy greetings welcome into this edition of espn afc's extra on sebastian salazar. Gotcha questions straight off twitter. And we've got quite the trio to take them today ian shock. Whatever happened to everybody. This greetings from shocking. When you start to answer the cut off the next time. I don't like how you're starting loss everybody come on. You're an extra time shock. Mcmanamon i tweet or says how tough is it for players to buy into playing styles. They may not agree with. We've talked about this a little bit on the show. Can't imagine harry kane song enjoying marino's tactics allah. What do you think it's tough when you think as a player that you've had success in the past doing things differently and incomes a new manager. I'm not referencing marina in particular but any new manager that comes in and tries to change the way that you've done. Thanks for years and things that have worked for you as a player you get used to certain things and certain levels of comfort in terms so what works for you and appeal. What kind of routine works or win. Income managers has not. You know what all those things that you've been successful with. You gonna do it differently now. And you don't see results right away as a player then of course it is difficult and most players reticent to really taken that step forward that leap of faith with a new coach unless they trust what this guy's saying saw this in the spurs full match the other day dan the orange man tweets. What are your thoughts on eric. Dire dragging himself back onto the pitch for treatment after picking up an injury just to stop. The game was the craziest time-wasting method you've ever seen used. And you watch a lot of football on your day with the craziest time-wasting you've seen craziest time-wasting oh aside cypress quite legitimate. Really from deep probably won the off away from home. You've seen goalkeepers. I remember seeing a go wonder behind the go. Chapter understand this when they will one day laugh and the bogies trying to give him the ball back and he gets thank. The boy drop drop dropping. Kick it away and this went on three minutes and a lot of talk. They held on for the for the one. They'll win this by looking at the goalkeeper and take. What did you sounded up. Why don't you love the forties. Now i don't want the bose that one. That was one of the funny chaaka. Goalies the best or worst timewasters I don't know where we fall. I will freely admit though that during the course of my career i developed when will up late in the game developed a run to retrieve the ball where my arms and legs were moving really quickly but i was coverage zero ground. It was greeted referees. Didn't know what was going hardy. So where does that fall. The all little skill of bester would. I don't know and remember yup said remember in world cup qualifiers in south america playing against brazil and the goalkeeper for condo row has a who he actually cut himself cotton. I some sort of cutting device or tool next to the next goal. Cut himself on because he did that in faked us. If something had been thrown undestands then the game was abandoned at some point. Brazil was in jeopardy of not making it to the world cup. Then that whole scheme came out and gone has pores was was pointed out and persecuted because of it And but it was a real issue in brazil and sheila had to abandon the game because of the things that apparently have been thrown from the senate indeedy was the goalkeeper cutting himself. That's one way of wasting time. You just had to go and cut yourself on the field. All that was qualified for the nine ninety. Which was it ninety world cup. I believe in shock. I remember. I think somebody threw a flare on the field that landed next to him and then all of a sudden he's bleeding profusely from his hand review. The team they realized that the flair fell four feet away from him. Never touched never came any closer than that and then that he was thinking. Oh he himself. It actually wasn't. The table was a photograph from brazilian. Press photographer that actually caught the moment. Espn did a thirty for thirty podcasts. On it fall of the condor berry area very very good very well done. Ian which premier league team has a chance to make the top four that you didn't think how to chance slash. Nobody is really talking about any dark course. Top four teams for you. Think everton johnson be many people pump and carlo ancelotti and the topics fans would have set to start of the season. They jump to making the four. I've got a bit of squeak doing it this season and maybe aston villa well because although they're not in the topics they got two games in hand so when they got everybody healthy again. They've had an outbreak in soviet in the camp they could be involved as well. Basically anything could happen because it's a scary and very unpredictable. You all right question for what does inter need to do to beat you. Vent this on sunday. And what is your prediction. Inter over the last few years And not only in city app but in champions league as well. They've had moments like this where they can really really truly take a step forward and the most of those occasions taking a step back at some point on donio content very town that allegedly talented entertain. They have to stand up and never mind tactics. Never mind the passing of the bowl and the movement in the tech hub showing some character strength character so if i were inter if there was one thing that you have to have against event this weekend it's a sense of belief and a strength of character to go and fight against you went to say. Yeah we're here to win this thing. If you don't believe you can be than you have no opportunity to do. So you rentals right. It's right there for the taking team. The struggling finding consistency hasn't been the strength of this team throughout the course of the year. If there was ever a moment this is it for inter inter second fourth heading into that match on sunday. Breach of the pundits Shock i'll start with you. Who was the best coach that you played under The best quarter played on the leonardo for formally of course a real madrid elite. Leo was the best communicator. In terms of manager or head coach. I played under. He knew what he wanted and he knew he got his team to play that thing. That's a skill that not many have sydney nowhere near as well as as leo was able to get his idea across to us. Did he wanna start you at the world cup. Nope i the only time i started leo benakka and rightly a lot was was against sweden covering jack had been The number number one. Even before. Leo takover kevin performed wonderfully well throughout the qualifies. I was packing order. But then kevin picked up a knock in one of the pre-tournament games and i was. I was called to be on the bench. And in the warm-up kelvin kevin couldn't realize couldn't continue. And that's when. I did not get final question here. In light of the news of james harden being traded. Were you ever to club. Players demand for transfer may be dressing room uncomfortable or caused any internal strife. Did you ever talk to a player or just mind. Your own business Olive you first any player any stories of locker room. Strife there guys walk into the locker room and the moment they walk in. You get a sense that this guy's gonna create issues it. It's it's gonna be a problem. And i don't want to name names but there was a guy at one point in one of the many locker rooms that i was a part of this guy would walk into Into the locker room with a bag. Full of mcdonald's breakfast now look i don't. I don't mind people eating fast food. But that's not exactly the best preparation to go on. Play now this. He would show walk with this breakfast after he had been absent for days because he had gone home at home and visited his family for what was supposed to be a weakened and then they ended up being a week when you when as a coach us an organization. You allow those things to happen. Then within the locker room anything that he does is going to create a problem and eventually became an untenable position. Untenable situation and the corporate were away from the player shock. Any stories of guy that just wanted to get out and was content to make everybody else's life miserable ready that had that kind of an impact on on all dressing rooms at any point in football club. Somebody wants out and you know for for whatever reason and tried to force out that issue through but kind of comes into territory and you don't don't pay those those players to mind in all honesty in. What's the worst story. You've heard it just back to what the guys talking about there. I mean i didn't play professionally. Of course i was just the key. I actually got to play one day talking about dressing. Strife we pay the wimbley empty wembley in a media game as the forerunner to laugh spinal. And you'll never guess this. But the got up working for a company called skype for at the time in england and the guys from the bbc who were in the team as well with us would not talk to us because we proved they were on the same team as we never spoke to the bbc's guys this guy at wembley role of the same theme so we already have one game and we go to rome there you go some rivalries Never go out of style. Somebody get that phone in the background. Whoever that was. That's it for today's edition of exercise. I can tell you. I can tell you that there was a scramble in the house. I say you real real change of things from my wife trip getting to the. I don't know that at some point and fc later this week either way we We certainly let us new the urgency Ali shock a couple of pros and keen amateur. He and dr. i'm sad. Thanks for watching. We'll see you tomorrow.

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We're just ordinary people  Diana Evans

VINTAGE Podcast

14:07 min | 1 year ago

We're just ordinary people Diana Evans

"Sir. Welcome back to the vintage podcast. My name is Lena. Norms. And I'm here with an Evans this very bright warning. And at midnight this morning, we found out that diner, but people is on the shortlist for the women's prize for fiction say thank you so much for being here. This morning Dina. How you feeling? I'm ecstatic. Yeah. We say good morning now. And when they're going to announce the longlist, I I was time to just go to bed and not stay. But that ended up wake enough about two in the morning. Just to check. Time. I didn't do that. I just just slept right through and didn't actually check anything until about until I was dressed in. You know? It's very sad. I'm very impressed. The self control be calling me registered to it. So anyway, it's huge huge. Congratulations on the book is absolutely incredible. You'll debut novel. So this is your third novel debut novel twenty-six a one awards including the orange award for new writers. How does this feel like deeper into your incredible writing career and being shortlisted for the women's price? How does it feel? I just feel really happy about the whole thing. Because this folk with took a very very long time. And it's it's hot know, what's going to happen with Burke. And when I'm writing precautious commit myself to the project, and I just see it through no matter what happens, and I never really expect much from it. So it's been quite overwhelming fool for it to get such a warm reception. And also have never been on the the list for the main women's pies before as you said, I won the orange award for new writers, which is little women's as they call it. The suma. But I and it feels quite significant to be on the main the big women's pied special shortlist. I really couldn't ask for more. I'm just over the moon about all he and his face because you spent so long with the Jalan. Did it take you to write seven years? Time. Yeah. Say like passing Leo's you shadow with the world. They love that. Which is great news. I loved it too. As I was watching it. I thought I had a good time doing it. I had fun because there's lots of funny moments and loss of music in it. So it was quite entertaining. For me. I it's of writing it. And you know, thankfully, entertain if other people as well. Yeah. That's I've managed to kind of to transfer. I was experiencing to everyone else is good. Yeah. Thar listeners. He already know. Can you tell us a little bit about the premise of ordinary people aren't begins? Okay. Well, it's about to London. Couples have an tumultuous year. One of them, Melissa Michael have just moved into new house in south London. And there was a new baby and the other couple Stephanie and Damian had moved out of London together to the suburbs. Docking in sorry, and they're dealing with the death of Damian's father, which he's hadn't. A complex reaction to you. And it set in two thousand eight two thousand nine opens with a party celebrating election of Brock Obama. So it's it's a portrait of the the plot finish middle classes also portrait of London and an it's about how these two couples psychology and everyday lives become entangled over the course of of the is also very musical book, Scott soundtrack to go with it, and Melissa Michael house may or may not be wanted said as supernatural dimension to his well. Yeah, they can have like much carrillo's last to really. Yeah. I love that. Music. So why even into the book you've got like John Lennon there and Michael Jackson? How did you? Did you listen to music while you were writing the book because it feels very like almost musical? It has kind of rhythm to this. I can't right to music. I have to write incomplete. Silence. Sometimes I even way plans to block out the sound of the air. Arizona. Concentrate, but I always listen to music after being writing especially for being writing for for a long time or been having a difficult session music. Kind of listens listens. My brain. And yes, so I was listening to music, and while I was writing the book and developed its own kind of soundtrack, so though particular autism stickler songs that would call on. And that made me feel really connected to the book such as John legend songs and tiny temper songs 'cause he he's encapsulated something about London his sound. And also Michael Jackson was it was a big connection is. Well, yeah. Is very musical book. It's a different kind of musical. I think. Yeah. I'm and I I loved exude the kind of open with this party. Whether it's gonna fly everything's gonna humming miss because Barak Obama has just been elected president, which is like so with such a while ago. That was yeah. About does. And you was twenty six eighty bookended with the Royal wedding. And then Princess, Diana like, what when you go into like setting these kind of an inverted commas ordinary stories against these kind of these huge world moments. Like, what does that mean for you? What do you make that decision to to juxtaposed big with this more? Because I'm usually writing about well, the lies of ordinary view. And and you know, the the normal things that we go through these universal am human experiences that we have. And I find that when I ease a kinda cultural moments or iconography, it it gives the the characters and the story more of a grounding immunity, and also I'm very kind of I'm most consuming, culture and music and books and films. It feels like a very natural part of of life to me. And an I think you can also say more about your characters if you if you use an example from something that's much bigger than them, and you can sort of universalized they're psychologists and their experiences and and. And you also kind of give them a historic historical placing is well important to. Yeah. Excited. I didn't realize close reading those like all in hardly ever. Like, you know, carrot to soften exist in the abstract, or they don't, you know? Unreal people don't have that. There is always always that new cycle is going on in the background that can of things the effect. How you how you think of nicer that really them a life for me? Yeah. Yeah. Writers that have inspired you to write is there. Anyone particularly can be like that. I. Last. Lear Tolstoy is one of my favorite writers. And he and he really am influenced ordinary people in especially with the policy that opens at the beginning. Because I was I just read Warren peace, and and so yeah, his one, and I also really like Joe not dykes work which dates and James Solta as American writers of the fifties sixties, really speak to me, and there's a lot of Updike influence in ordinary people as well. And I love tiny Morrison Alice. Walker was one of my my first loves and I reached I read poetry. I loved her Wolcott Pablo Nuder. I I mean there isn't one. I love alley Smith, grace paley Lucian by Lynn, there's so many vi- writing is life food an I like to taste different. Yeah. In the book motherhood is one of the aspects that you kind of like play within discussing in its effect on a woman's identity. And what made you want to include that? And do you often see that in books because I, you know, sporadically spot in books, but it doesn't always seem like something really represented. So yeah, I think that's lots of of Berks about the experience of motherhood, and especially not nonfiction books, and there's lots of books Whitman by men that talk about so apparent in and and marriage, and I'm the impact of of parenthood on a marriage. But I couldn't really say the books by by women about those things that also included the wider picture, like the male point of view and also a geographical picture of over place, vivid sense of place. And so I wanted to write that kind of noble. And I I I have kids myself, and I've I've found the experience of motherhood, so totally extreme. And that's what was brings me to writing is the of some who is very extreme. And almost Kombi contained within an I need to put out somewhere else to write down. And I wanted to write specifically about the imbalance in our society that still exists relation to motherhood and parenting. I think there's still a real emphasis on the woman being the primary care. I think that I do so entrenched deeply into all society and the infrastructure, and I want to write about the impact that that can have one relationship between a man and a woman who, you know, how do we negotiate parents in in our contemporary society? How do we, you know, disentangle souls from the these old tropes and old ideas is difficult. Also, maybe a younger. And angle is some moments as well. Nothing. So the book is set in south east London. Those who know London Wellens, particularly the southeast place. Places are gonna look familiar what made you want to set it there and how much did that impact. How the story was do you think let place played a part in how it was rhythm. And yeah, I feel like south south London doesn't get a lot of attention in office in English fiction. And so it's kind of a love story, south London. And and also I I mean, I'm I'm very much. I the way I write swimmer slight painting. I am aware of mice landings will tunnel. A light to kind of describe things I love description. So London has always been my canvas. And my my first bit was set north west London form and then my segment set in west London. And and now I've I've lived for many years in Southland. And so. My fiction seems to be following me around London. Well, you're gonna move next. East is only pop London having lived before. And actually my future novel is going to be set in east London. Yeah. When I south London is is so is such an interesting place. You know that the history I was really fascinated by the story of the Crystal Palace and how it was moved from Hyde Park down to south London. And the Crystal Palace actually becomes a metaphor in in the book for a deterioration it to Asian over relationship. So yeah. So that was that was not me hardback cover is kind of go. Bit of Crystal Palace has in the kind of man has tower. Yeah. One more question. Mrs this is my selfish because I want to know what you're going to be reading over the summer. So I can coffee because I feel like a great idea like good good books around things that they wanna read anything that you want you want to get Reding. Well, I should be the whole of the women's fight. You work now. I mean, I've any red wanna to them and say I'll probably start with that. I've got a book of short stories by Lorrie Moore that's being waiting by my bedside about two years, and I've been different in and out of it. And I really want to to sit down and just devour that because I love her writing. Yeah. I definitely want to be milkman. And I'd like to read Bashir Mitch at a book called the joys of motherhood which Highland yet. Yeah. And there's the see the see I was up which still haven't made. We mean two years. We're publishing or republishing loads of ours. Murdoch stuff actually this. Are you cover say, I'm I wanna meet some as well. Because if everybody else in the rent's gonna happen. Yeah. I feel like it's high time ago into beating. Well, thank you so much diner for coming in speech. Restless very busy and jubilant day. To be and look forward to celebrating. Yeah. Everything's coming. Thank you so much listening to the vintage pulled cast that was Diana Evans, talking about older people have ready yet. If not I would highly recommend it as next read anybody reading that way through the women's fiction priceless. The shortlist of dilemmas. No vintage books on Twitter and Instagram always up for nattering about books that I've been leaning gnomes until next time.

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Men in Blazers 06/05/20: WGFOP: The Bald

Men In Blazers

20:11 min | 9 months ago

Men in Blazers 06/05/20: WGFOP: The Bald

"This is Rebecca Lowe will rebecca. If, you listen to optimal radio and you on this thing to men in Blazers on the NBC sports network. Roach. Hit Vouch chief Friday back with the at the end of this admittedly brutal searing singular week. Of undaunted courage in the face of broken this time. So much of what we thought. We need so much. What we thought were given about the American definitions of words like Community Equality Action Racist Anti Racist. And to protect and serve fails in highest stakes way. Too. Light you. I am exhausted shattered, but. I'm also filled with hope. As. We head into this weekend. With the demonstrations becoming ever law I, never more peaceful. I have a true belief are really. In the spirit. Of the American people and I have to say. On that? We have to thank so many of you listening Uga peas for taking the time to correspond with us over the course of the past week amidst the chaos, all-male bag overflow earth. I'm trying to get to all of the males. There are so many I am. Just want to thank now few wisdom your insight, you questions. You love. We're all for it really all and. I want to say we O'hare for you. Email address. Colas Wgn J. P.. The bold you know, the number six, four, six, four, five, zero, nine, four, seventy. This is a stainless Shag, but that remains of phone number, six, four, six, four, five, zero, nine for seventy. We can't wait. To hear your questions, be they about full all the world team were. All the future of all nation, either womb. We say ready for this. We need each other. More than ever. Let's do a sting the show as I said still wgn P, the bold and question number one I, this is Joseph in Pasadena California, I am a supporter of the Portland Thorns Portland Timbers the US women's Para and men's national teams I think you're totally right by sharing poetry right now. It's something I've gotten a lot of comfort in because well I. Don't have the brain capacity right now to read anything longer so sharing the Langston Hughes like you did. Sharing the Lark in really means a great deal. And there's one poem in particular that I'm going back to a lot the past few days. Style Shame Haney. It's his ending of the cure at troy. Suffer. They torture one another. They get hurt and get hard. No poem or play or Song can fully right or wrong, inflicted or endured. The innocent in jails beat on their bars together. Hunger strikers. Father stands in the graveyard The police widow and veils faints at the funeral home. History says don't hope on this side of the grave, but then once in a lifetime the longed for tidal wave of justice can rise up and hope and history rhyme, so hope for a great seachange on the far side of revenge. Believed that a further shore is reachable from here. Believe in miracles and cures and healing wells. Coal the miracle south, feeling the other self-revealing devil taken feelings. If. There's fire on the mountain or lightning and storm. A God speaks from this guy that means that someone is hearing the outcry and the threat of new life that it's term it means that once lifetime just can rise up. And hope and history rhyme. Church Joseph. Thank you for that I to Rivera. Cure Troy which. I thought Shea. Messina originally rotate as a tribute to the amazing robot Smith. It does sound like ACC. You'll live album, but those lines history says don't hope on this side of the grave, but then once in a lifetime, the long four title wave of justice can rise up. And hope and history rhyme for which Nelson Mandela and south. Africa's societal transformation was the original inspiration, but while that poem speaks to us now poetry in general, so powerful in this movement would surprise me though in this time, and this place has been how powerful world of sports has been. The will sports in general. And football in particular you. Always look to the premier league. And talked about it as the ultimate distraction. In my life a parallel universe we were. We call that a sporting. Tele, Novella. Can take me away. From where I am! And give me emotions at feel in real life joy, sadness glory defeat. The safest way possible. Football the most important least important thing, but one of many things that has been amazing over the past eight days has been watching soccer rise up. And data become political. To drop its blink. It's Lambeau supermodel predilection. And Crossover into all world started. Last Saturday of Western, mckinney, a Marcus theorem and my God that feels. So much longer than just under a week ago. Jaden Sancho in the Bundesliga last week. which by the way the pundits Lakers should be worth watching this weekend for reasons that transcend sport. And against that backdrop, it's been fascinating to witness premier league players find their voices. Find this droid. The center yesterday i. Villa defender Tyrone mings. Posted about his experience. On a four thousand strong black lives matter protests in Birmingham England middle of the country afterward, man I love tyrone mings have interviewed him twice. He is a remarkable human being. You don't know his story. It's worth looking up. He's the late blooming professional footballer who was a mortgage broker until the age of twenty. Two Buffalo back despite fulfilling his. Against All odds dreams. Even then it's out to battle back from crippling injuries. And it's done to become Aston Villa captain, and even in England International, and he continues to walk his own path with Tennessee. He tweeted nothing. Energy impassioned today. I make no apologies. For standing what I believe in. Brace Yourself. I think we are. We are from a Premier League perspective about to into a remarkable time. Is a tragedy of George fluids. Death reverberates across our nation. Hey, up. The echoes continue to be heard across the world. We've seen demonstrations from Thessaloniki Greece to Monrovia Liberia. And he can fail. The tectonic plates have our world's shifting in so many different ways some subtle. Some SOE's make him profound and one of those ways I believe. Is. A newly politicize primarily in which plans are more aware than ever of the societal role as activists SAN leaders. And a willing to use that global platforms to speak up. To speak up physicial change. Little Bit late the NBA and boy oh boy. Just, wait for the NBA to combat. The BUNDY's League is dipping its tail into protest. The NBA prepare for profound moments of inspiration from some of America's most beloved athletes for a taste of what's to come yesterday, Danny yet. Lynn continued his leadership in remarkable ways. Teaming up with gentleman has long inspired many of us at Menin blazes and I know many of you gave the Inspirational Hector Beller. Great, Catalan idiosyncratic human being, and the to launched a podcast in which they try to grapple with the emotions. And the actions that are required of this moment the wheel share. He can find the cost on Youtube. We linked to it in today's newsletter and his taste. Of, what was a fascinating conversation you can? You can actually after by just wanted to send a message because you know a lot of people think. Visa. Minorities issue and I WANNA make it. Loud and clear that this is an issue that involves everyone and as I said before when you when you are silent this, you're siding with them and. Ease important than that as white people and people privilege, we can call it to do everything we can. Whether that is donate in whether that as much in you know analysis times of coronavirus, some people feel. It's not safe and stuff. There's a lot of information out there how to do what the march is a like vowel so most most importantly I. Think is to educate ourselves other. Vata should to read about it into empty. Not You don't. Have to make it you don't have to. Tell Black. People to educate your you said to educate yourself research and read books and I think something that we need to accept sometimes. Is that sometimes we can? When we when you consider you, you don't consider yourself a racist person, but you. Sometimes you can say something raises without realizing, and if someone calls you out, you'll need to try improve. Why do you not racist what you have to listen? Educate yourself and say okay. What? Why is this affecting you okay? And listen to be. You know that is the only way that Privilege why people you can move forward, into into the goal, which is like equality in all senses and everyone being educated in some way called speed the Andris yet lint and a little hale. Hank Bellary and let's take another question. Hi, this is amy from Massachusetts and Crystal Palace supporter I'm wondering. We'll Roy Hodgson be required to stand around and plexiglas on the sideline. And if so, how many times during a game will he forget? He's incited. Thanks, Amy, thank you for your question. A reminder that the Premier League is just twelve sleeps away. The fixtures been released their all gussied up Chelsea back to making moves. Franklin. Is Set to be Jurgen KLOPP. Ted The signing of German striking said say should. Team. and. They did love how many Chelsea fans for moment. When the tweet went out thought that your team had signed Time Warner that will be some acquisition, but it did fail yesterday like the first old school football news in a owns yes, the twenty four year old. Is reportedly about to sewn a year Deo for sixty seven million dollars. The new somewhat shock is verna been linked to Liverpool, but instead will bring a searing patient intelligent movement to Stamford Bridge and bolster Chelsea's Tammy Abraham Oh, striking options GONNA slow in beautifully alongside playmaker Hakim Zay Accu will become a Chelsea player on July first when he moves from I X. Yes Yay. Alleviate Giroux I know you're listening. You're have great news for you. You're GONNA have some breathtakingly wonderful to watch. On a weekly basis from the bench. Yes, the league is full speed ahead. A love Roy Hudson a love. You question because I cannot wait to see him on the sidelines again. It said she been interesting reading about the protocols primarily because preparing full pandemic football again if the players get changed on game, day in shifts to limit their interaction with each other going to give the managers just fifty. Fifty minutes to talk to that teams ahead of games again to limit exposure, but I'm really glad that you brought up uncle Roy because he was in the news yesterday. For the most fantastic reasons, crystal palace defender Patrick von, and hope that stepped up during the day to quite brilliantly confront Katie Hopkins if you didn't know who she is, you are lucky. She is a kind of heinous English luring. I guess that's a rough parallel. Anyway yesterday. She was typically horrific. In publicly discussing the black lives matter demonstrations Patrick. Run on, just decided to lay into A. On twitter and interchange, which lead Crystal Palace's manager, John Coup Roy. To praise his players for finding that political voices take it away Roy Orbison. Doing my defensive plays I was always Lali Industry the the stereotype of the football player who? Doesn't matter too much more to his life than than just kicking a ball around. You know you you talk about people being around I think you know class. Trauma bounded former intelligence. For Moyen Trust me as a kite. Sometimes they can credit because. Certain aspects of that person I, they see even. Before the. the emotional from actually may have opinions. Based on what they heard or seen their. So Crystal Products Out Plaza Dungy with this crisis, and of course WHO's way? Please to see shaking up Jenkin interest as well. Expressing. Cows with Joe in southeast London, you know we have in our in our midst now mix the only black players anyway, and it doesn't. It doesn't concern until the see them. Thinking about. Being topics and making a stand would still live by. Oh, well, listen to really hard shouldn't. Say that a seventy two year old Englishman. Step up and speak like that. It lifts my spirits more than I can tell you. means. Changes, possible. Changes. Possible people. Let's take your break incentive. You are listening to wgn FA the ball. Give us a call this. We can do it now. Six, four, six, four, five, zero, nine, four, seven save. Ask us about the world, the country, our nation football. Rascasse about Jaden Sancho. We will be back home, and they will end some more of your. Who More Arcane questions than we felt possible to engage with this we get back to talking about football, as has styles, songs and boldness. You know the stuff we normally talk about but win this week's poll. I want to celebrate the fact that tomorrow June. The sex is the seventy six verse rate of the day. A day of honor. And a day that is going to be one of the loneliest remembrances in history, because the pandemic is GonNa prevent veterans from doing what they returning to the beaches. They want storm then France such a poignant site. That, we should never take for granted against Saudi. Karuna bloody virus saw a hint the crowds from gathering to honor the day of bravery immense sacrifice. And the fight for good. Poll things we need to think about deeply. In this historic moment and I have thought a lot about operation overlord this week, but if the everyday heroism which demanded. And the role of America. As Kaluga will save you I'm GonNa leave you with parts of two great speeches, which were given ahead of the operation. Ever poignant, but they now resonate differently in this moment of national turmoil the first. General Dwight D Eisenhower speech to the troops on June fifth. Nineteen, forty, four. The fifty day. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of Liberty Loving people everywhere March with you then. On the night of June, the six thousand forty four, President Franklin d! Roosevelt delivered a day Pratt to the American people. And it was head across national radio. Including these loins. These men. Lately drawn from the ways of peace. Fight Not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise. 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Paralympian Podcaster, Early ESPN Experience, Rugby's Origin In Japan

Only A Game

48:32 min | 1 year ago

Paralympian Podcaster, Early ESPN Experience, Rugby's Origin In Japan

"Was there ever like growing up one moment or one interaction where all the sudden you're like from pick last in gym class podcast and video series that's hosted by the US Paralympian Lisa's her people in fact for a large portion of her life she it's about payment or right leg they weren't too concerned they're like listen it's probably nothing the new kid with this weird lymph and I'm like no worries just growing pains guys but the pain got worse on my toes and I got to a point where my mood like my school's calling we got a prescription for an MRI and that was where there is a tumor about the size of a light bulb shown inside probably not me because I have all my hair like just didn't like things didn't make sense and I was like do I have cancer and she was just so nonchalant she's like yeah and I just knew that moment even though she seemed kind of cool with it like I was immediately but she and her family wanted to try chemotherapy I was in the hospital rows getting my vitals checked every fifteen minutes and crossing our options and the we're not many options at this point and he's like I can't promise them and get all your cancer cells if we don't we'll have to amputate doctors amputated Lacey's right leg above her knee after that surgery and I didn't know anything about the world of disability I'd never been around people with disabilities I always fan discount one-legged lake no problem so I go back to school yeah without question never had a question it and kids named Sirkin Oh it's like a glorified door hinge now like all right okay maybe I'll be bill the pack let's be realistic I wasn't I wasn't even picked it all I wasn't picked last they just started playing without me had her classmates reaction because I saw people with disabilities as being different than who I was and I call that disability denial and I just knew I was like I need to be able moment my life happened it was the movie bringing on came out commit those girls were so cool they could do flips they were it's like how are we going to do this and they signed me up for gymnastics classes Lisa became an all state high school cheerleader and then in two thousand seven at the University of Denver and one Fateful Day my dad and I was of age at this point just crashed my dad and somehow the conversation turned into WHO's a better a- all it needed I feel like I spend my whole life just constantly try like trying to tell people they couldn't wear anymore and I jumped six feet lacy proved her dad wrong and and that's when she learned about the Paralympics you're the same you know we were all kind of in this denial of of my disability two years old just like way overconfident and everything I'm like I'm a division here like pounding behind me and it's just people's blades just hitting the ground hard and I get my ego my pride was real bruce and I'm like I realized first of all disabled sport is not around that same time Lee had volunteered at what she calls amp camp these kids which sorry guys if I robbed you guys but except that about themselves I'm like okay maybe you're onto something Lisa within my like I three competitions I broke a seventeen year long American record how lacy represented the US in two events the hundred meter dash it to host your own podcast and video series Lisa Henderson had spent the first all she was going to help tear that barrier down so for her just have fun conversations about struggles before success and just find the parallels of motivated when success doesn't come right away in when it comes to talking about disability congenial turns out it's congenital friendly but it also has you have to laugh at yourself otherwise it would be soul-crushing so I remember waiting in line at now you can't you can't cut us she's like no no I'm disabled at the paralympics she thinks picked last in gym class can give listeners whether they're disabled or not sometimes when you can't see somebody because maybe if you would see somebody who's a uh that you've done because like your character on breaking bad from only a Games Martin Kessler Lacy Henderson she's the host of picked week Dubai Happy Halloween nerds this week don't miss a special spooky batch of has to their audience listen in subscribe to short wave from NPR you can weigh one out away three two but while I was sleeping on Wednesday night Washington DC God itself welcome back Mirrors Harry and by the Washington Post of champions after a twenty six year drought the Washington capitals nationals and if you really WanNa stretch the region you can go all the two years but I do think that it's a bit ridiculous and kind of aimed I will say this guy's it feels good to be the district I mean are they collecting chance it's Q. Okay it's somebody from Massachusetts and then the Patriots were winning especially in the two thousands early two thousands there was something different in eighteen spoiled Massachusetts even those cavaliers down there in Charlottesville it's a way to not talk about ably successful corner of this town's sports legacy right now is finally celebrating this feels like now's very convenient acknowledged mid October Bulgaria was playing a match of football match soccer with England the third time in six months that Bulgaria has had an issue with racial abuse chamionships altogether in the spring and they stopped just short of doing that instead levied a fine of eighty five thousand euros this ruling to me like this protocol and these punishments are only going to be effective if they actually I would scorch the earth I I would I would make them eligible I mean we're talking shoes worldwide with soccer fans and I think which you should scorch the earth number one it's the right thing to and in this instance the displays and just the amount scorched earth approach I do think a ban a total ban with the possibility awareness doesn't seem to work the because all kinds of public service campaigns and enlisting folks from fair and kick it out there doing such amazing job they're calling attention to the fact that the governing Aro the title of your podcast Amira's time to burn it all down yes and this is a beloved irreverent sometimes crude and into stick to sports debts bins writers and editors didn't want to do that because they've never eras it's really such a shame dead spend was a site that did that sports were inherently political and was able to walk and Chew Gum at the same time in Boards Jerry and I just feel like you know that that kind of declaration is ridiculous but what's your thought further society and then say when something that you disagree with Oh no no just make me happy like I don't want find out about what's going on in Washington I don't know what to tell you like sports are always an have always been in will always be Amir rose I don't know how you play candy land but when I do it's intensely just Berdahl down podcast and also reporting live from the District of Champions Day you would have been greeted by this beyond that blue horizon is a limitless it's not every sports fan got to experience this limitless world of sports headsets and your ipads Boston sports writer Leigh Montville a true legend in honor of ESPN's fortieth anniversary we decided to give lease com spoon now the guy named Leroy Witherspoon came dribbling across my eyes three in the afternoon the goal with three seconds left who won the ball went through sick I was screaming about something that had happened almost two I don't know where August and it is located I'm a little hazy about Potsdam I still was screaming never in my worst sports toward the Saint Louis Cardinals of the Detroit lions had I felt this bad colada and a smile in the eighty degrees sunshine I was hooked on ESPN is sports. 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Has VAR Gone Too Far?

ESPN FC

52:21 min | 1 year ago

Has VAR Gone Too Far?

"I welcome into legislation of Espn Dan Thomas John by Craig Burley and Shocker we're also joined by former premier league referee Peter Walton to clear up some of this controversy from the weekend let's start in the Aso there's a photo there but not enough to get involve I'm going on the premises and go over the most the most obvious free cakes right an arguably the biggest global league in the world and they can wom not surprised it hasn't been picked up shoot have been craig which is a different conversation yes I think he should listen I'm I'm we're sitting here having a bleeding discussion about whether it's a big enough or whether it's enough to go the parameters within those provinces are correct or not that's debatable and I'm sure there's the Dubai going to happen in the next food is on that but as he stands at the moment so they are getting involved there especially with that threshold as we know in the permanently being so physical contact I'm not surprised they are did not get involved in that particular aspect the quotes I'll tell you what do they need pre I agree with you fully here Craig it's a foul and that's the end of the discussion block there's another pushing the block and then flexible own pizza this go should have been chopped off yes you say yes same game obviously it's a hard initially punished for diving Var overturned it and gave a penalty though not happy thing vol left me puzzled but looking at it and looking at value yeah there's a foul that but not enough for va ought to get involved. Oh Jesus Good Heavens of God Almighty I'm not I'm not so sure is Craig actually applies it so soon for the ball and yes he's pushed him I think the referee had given freaky then everyone would accept it I can I upset at time again the premium league have gotten themselves an absolute muddle with this nonsense about high and what it takes for and get that right I mean seriously well okay so on I'm sitting here Judy. Case on the basis of the Premier League have set out as their league secretary of so high now if you ask me as a referee yes I think that's a foul and I think that's gotTa why I'm too old to deceit in any circumstance it's a phone nothing about about to this in any measure career f the game this is gone this has gone I'm sorry I'm sorry but we have every bloody week no he amorous stadium on Sunday I'm still lost as to why they got involved towards Crystal Palace penalty against also when in my own opinion Wilfried Zaha clear not blaming. Up Right because I'm not blaming you but this is absolute bs I'm seriously these Chad pussies on a play it's a clear clear obvious nonsense s just in a full on a goal scored take on this as much as I understand that sympathize the heaven run that we need to call a golden on this one commit however Craig utilize pushing hey we talked a lot from pushing twice for says watch this pollution it's a Doi and I'm signing it was a dog I think what's happening there is so I'm signing wasn't a dollar groups are only dive when making this pater that's why such a subjective guy in that we both love not cutting bug there he said he wasn't you think that that was a penalty kick and I do think that the actions of the Arsenal Playa impeded the progress of Zaha talking nonsense absolutely well Klatten bug in that instance I think wasn't correct US better isn't it no it wasn't a decision Dan I'm this is a a trap obscene happen in other leagues around the world the winner socrates scoring however once again vol intervenes and this allows the goal for a foul in the lead up to that goal pizza was this the right decision Dan was too close to really make a dive and I think just a natural reaction for him and I thought they got that one right ball was through the legs they're not down to wolf so hard to move remove himself and I think that the author apply has tightened risk challenging in such a manner in the county area Martin Atkinson on the day the referee see that as a guy a yellow card as we know via got involved I don't think vr going involve quite correctly there beginning to look at the game in a sort of a micro aspect and WANNA detail everything and forgetting the bar the intervention is clear in office and I think that we can both agree hopefully the leads in the shooter will agree with me that that's not a clear and obvious foul you could Dr Sect in slow motion and find honestly as far as getting to me divulge penalty I know that's a penalty all day long I again I don't think that's up for debate late on of course also thought believing right now meanwhile away from the also game something we discussed a lot over the last couple of months is the fact that hasn't got involved with penalties the bar has been set where the VR gets a decision correct earlier in the game on it was very helpful without and we've just spoken about now that was the dog of Saha and then he and then he I felt that when referees make one decision they they make another to to make up for it and not the lack that goal should have been choked off vob probably really content there is content coarser is it's incident who parts of the guy and should not have been given a free kick and certainly should not have come in the rounds of Vr for the is that after the fact and then this was vase effort evening scored in that regard supply was going across the challenge so that was part of the challenge I was quite correctly should've been I cake however the primarily have spoken about that I don't think I mean he's a as a defender as a defender when you hung your dangle your Lego laid out there is a big problem right problem and I think the proximity of Saartjie both but what they've done is they have clouded the ashes so much to hardly anybody knows concrete evidence that the people in charge at the moment of obsolete in England of absolutely no idea what the pizza absolutely correct the dovid Selva challenge was tried to play the ball so it's a mess teen challenge and the Bodley challenged the instant later it was just to players trying to position themselves to try to defend and the other one was trying to get what's happened last weekend and everything the they are has had this instant in the back of his mind sore the trip was the stamp on the around the Premier League and somebody's going to come across the end of the year and go down to the championship as the decisions this where control the ball there was no there was no attempt to make a challenge on you know the worrying thing as an as a worry we're talking about the billions that essences whatsoever there's no consensus what the Premier League of the moment and I don't know if it's the premier league is p say whether it's Mike Riley and has cronies I don't think it's a penalty he's enough to say I'll say when I tell you what I'll tell you what game was us we're clearly different referees of no real idea and it's almost dare say the guessing at the moment guessing we some of these unless it's poor decision later in the game this is the same individual sutton watched numerous replays of luck there wasn't enough call that there's no what's a free-kick all because they're coming up as well yeah it was a photo but quite enough of a foe so we don't want to bring it back because yes so again I'll go back to early incident happened in the season in the form of Manchester City Guy and when silver foot short on and he had his trump on as the L. absolutely right but is it clear his no it's not GonNa do think they are there was probably roydon under benefit Creston Iowa and getting the first decision Roy we sled to Mike in Obviously guessing and some GonNa pay money for the season you know let's talk about another penalty given in the Manchester United Game Against Norwich of the brought forward they're put together and said yes okay this newspaper I think we again people will recognize that the Oh Peter will deny that referees thing that we just from my perspective as a player undefeated refuge throughout all the time so this is the case again I panelty James is instigated the contact with the knowledge defender there that both gone over yes as content of courses contact enough for fouts again I made up for lost time this in particular this one stands out doesn't it pizza in the Brighton Everton Game Society Yup it's a penalty kick or actually no leave it alone what did take a very long time at the weekend was the awarding of the Manchester City go not enough of intervention but one that could have been resolved had the referees monitor just quickly when you when you when you were not an official range for categories now shock said I kind of think this is a new Peter will deny this but we a hostile Hav I don't know if it was two minutes but as a longtime professional hostile have that many replays then he guessing then he's not sure taking on Phillips one nil at the time the ball comes through eventually of course it was awarded to David Silva Rain Sterling looks like the officer don't deliver game when he said it was that was the foul wasn't clear Fiat oneness game because we want the decision correct however it was an unwritten sort of role in that we'd have an instant reaction to it because it reached out clear and obvious threshold it supply down when debris across the ball sterling is in an unsought position and therefore had the ball gone directly into the goal then is a good goal that's what they are yeah well the referee didn't see that as a foul didn't give the apparently kick in the va are going to involve gain and Myton challenges more on this fourteenth where there's a suggestion that there will be a discussion as to why the referees aren't using monitors more it's something we've discussed and something that autre but the GPS panel who look at the goal was dubious goals panel concluded that Silva touch the ball well is a classic example by the way where I if STU gone over to the Monitor on the side of the pitch just have another look himself he would mind the same decision as he did in real tall and that was hand of God to everybody sees you not micro managing the game on Dvr Conditions Anew Court Roy cry that decision should've taken no lesson twenty-second to be a subtle change but ultimately referee should be seen to be making that final decision on the field we mentioned obviously in the first nine matches percent of the Daniel James spoke saying it takes more than two minutes to make a decision so it's not clear and obvious error it should be ten seconds and you see the era no penalties or overturn just this week four overall from Vare twenty-six tightwad returns this weekend six them leading goes obviously someone John is a completely different what where applies going for the ball on one is a joke physician when we can say here always on the ball with a shocking position it's incidental that would yeah I think that's that's been a little bit of pressure around and soften of their intervention what we've seen unfortunate right decision but the goal stood this is the right decision Pisa One if you know it is Roy decision again I don't think he was this a penalty in your thank you it was but he's I took an age one to make a decision I pass thank you ah when when we was with up some four five years ago develop in the in the protocol one of the main things was timings and yes we said there's no set wlob many many times and I can't search but maybe there was a touch but ultimately the goal stood because they are adjudicated that very passionate about the referee should be the one making the decision at the end of the day we've seen it in other leagues for some reason England of trying to usurp always going to say change the the officials to discuss it internally than it goes wider including the leagues and that Cham- in in November so yes I do think that will be a challenge and yes do the efforts are kind of an addressing that when you want you referees to know what they're doing apply the laws of the game and stand by that not radium yeah you're right the game hostile refereed ultimately by much referee he has to be aided and abetted by some the bird something that everybody has done nothing so far particularly I think as paramount importance the the game is refereed ultimately from the UH ultimately directed to referee the match and take the brunt of a good and bad decisions and crystal clear then ended the game who has made the final and cry and Chakravarty Hog this is that as an inconsistency in terms of when the irs gets involved that needs to be ironed out that needs to be earned out really quickly I season yeah that's the lesson guys and ladies we need to we need to get right I mean this is foul domain the salt difficult maker for themselves as they they're reacting to outside pressure whatever's written about in in the media or said by the fans and all of a sudden it seems on Matt Sense and the Monitor's going to be used a lot more going forward well primarily didn't WANNA use the monitor's because they said it was slow the game down voice is so scarce they're based on the fact that he's team won the game this was another one wasn't it and it was overturned not initially given us a pain however var intervene and gave the spot get to substitute take a look at these for hiring the goal that touches the bowl before it goes out of play what happens react to what the fans the media because it then takes away from the ruler whether or not I think so I think it's a power untouched in behind the goal when he touches the ball he took his on the field in the penalty area. You can't have a direct kick in the pound era you have a penalty kick so I stopped complicated I mean there's no other way puts it the the very difficult themselves I'm amazed John and that's the way from vare something that I saw this weekend I didn't know this law however the secondly the bonus thing in Industry Alcoa happy with the decisions being given to the gone on the field protocol says that the go on the field should be taken the decision and she'll be seemed to be taken to the point of decision so there's a lot of pressure coming under the primarily to have their referees Goto the so the to the monitor do not resign she'll meet in this Thursday come in with the the the partner penalty was this this was the right decision Jesus spots on decisions it's almost a quiz question is uh-huh brush in contact and it's interesting there was a report in The Times newspaper in England that I talked about this meeting that's coming up in November well I mean it's almost as simple as going to an nevermind Salkin about how that operate in Vr but just run some tapes of his coke button godless as said that plays break down in a couple of different phases. Yeah if it doesn't talk Jimmy John's side but it's still a member yeah because of the interface in-space dime if he ends up as the gun a direct free kick for where the offence took place I have a penalty or something he was just extraordinary tonight and he scored two provided to the touches at times just absurd normally substitute for a up and down the touchline on a direct free kick on the Sean is probably not a problem for him fortunately for the germ saw there the woman's will no I mean look I I was thinking back to you know he's had more important performances obviously has but right question wouldn't come across before but the referee understood the little bit late when a defender takes him of sale fourth behind the goal of Zona called then he plays everybody extrordinary genuinely say this obviously is someone who who's focused on the Spanish league who watches him regularly but he's so far ahead last couple of days we'll stay for extra time you can check it out over on Youtube welcome to the show say low his aides everyone else it's just ridiculous really gav is Spanish bias from said on site just because he won dissolve we thinks he's got an injury or something he's played in the whole field onsite but I've never seen I've seen it happen yet look we don't we don't gravitate one way or the other you just have to sit back and admire how often another what he turned on tonight and when you put it within the context of what Barcelona season has been like of the injury of the fact that you'd barely gotten off the the the the mark in terms of scoring goals you know we really is quite remarkable it's almost like you kind of woke up Balladur's routine I mean one of these days is going to run up the pitch crossed the ball and then head his own cross into the net it's got that silly there's nothing left for him to do Lila Gab Markazi has well joins us we'll start with sit and discuss widening lollygag today pass alone with a five one victory over vidler you know I know it's a Cliche to say we've run out of words and of course you have them run out not least if you're allowed to turn to swear words and just say holy wherever it was going to be he's unveiled was use the referee at she went over to the Monitor to ensure Mike sure that the content of the ball for the substitute was might on the field what's the most important thing as much as how great some of the plays have been in the goals and how often yeah that's a key because there are people that come along endure special things but not not for the the period he under now it'd be fair but they just continue to to he's he's entered the field to play so what's he's boot so what's the rowing evolved into idea I don't think ridiculously and said it was one of those special nights where Leeann are messy will grab all the headlines Yeah of course it's one of those special nights have become buddy who was preceded them the just gap in talent between them and everybody else was playing the game exceeds anything that you expect and we talking about whole dot then I think simplifies it to Matsunaka's was referee in the game against Arsenal and Martineau came to those decisions after seeing the monitor what stands out as well whenever those to step on the field is how much better than everybody else would for bore that they are I think that is something else a little thing we've been able to see about any that's crazy understanding of I and of course I also have text alerts and just at the time when Microwave Johnson says are always a couple of meters too far away it flushes my says goal Barcelona and then on the screen consistently consistency sitting at this level from anybody else ball maybe Palin I was I was a different era with a totally different dynamic again for a long long time anybody who's able to manipulate the ball lightens pray brings up a good point you know if you've seen the Maradona documentaries fantastic but what it highlights also in particular task hang out spoken wasn't the after that Champions League wins and things need sewing out valverde address lattes how that ready it wasn't a very long spell brilliant compared to what messy is brought to the TAT doesn't in all honesty between between mentioned Renaldo I don't think we've seen this yeah probably I I'm struggling to think of what and who's WHO's been as efficient from free kicks that was moments an eye on Spanish tv it was quite nice when the take things to another level and you know and then we'll go back to is as good as what he was in the seventies of the eight th I can only do is at the moment and there's nothing I don't think we'll see the around the corner and he's like hey guys remember me notifies not run out to play the how close is Valverde to the brink well I mean look on the face of it you you you look at those problems the obvious candidates takeover wasn't really available and so I must admit I kind of unless a complete disaster I find it very difficult to imagine messy messy is married on every day and even Maradonna wasn't married on her every day and and it may well be that marijuana's peaks higher out of course look we're never ever going to argue free-kick was given the common site is talking about it and one of them says this is perfect messy position and then one or the other is in fact I think it was Mike Robinson and caused the former liberal suber did not touch the ball in from Roy for fee comes dot com nobody can see the vodka building the I like that lunch paints I think his name football discussions unreal Madrid and there was a general feeling that you know let's he could do this again obviously the signings that they made over the summer said but they just aren't players in their thirties let's remember these these players in the peak of their careers anymore they're in their thirties and still this much everybody's best friend kicked takeoff said Ronaldinho employers who were absolutely just out of this world but these two and this decade a decade is more than a decade they've dominated is just mind is this a couple of meters too far back for messy I'm going to admit that I was watching this on my phone because I was coming into work and my phone has a very slight Estrin room in part because of the support the board I think also as well and one of the things that actually haven't talked about include myself in this maybe in part because the ever tendencies weren't really there name yeah that's it and they school to again south let the weekend but that was that was seen as strange and it's not just that they're they're failing to get the a scenario in which he doesn't see out the season that said I think it's quite difficult to imagine a scenario in which he does continue into the new season slow starts of course have both passer slowing way didn't it said Barcelona top of the table while we see Ramat of being there as well last couple of weeks but we've talked about these things mean quite critical of both of them if we focused on plenty of big talking points in this match and a goal that we've discussed a lot over the last forty eight hours obviously with the goat's make it to the goal is that where once it used to be enough to win one nil now we've Longo you always feel like there's a there's vulnerability they're not losing games they're drawing lots of them this happened against getting it done of course one nil away against Alabama's lay equalizer for the hosts satellites he once again dropping points once again it seems failing to score more than one going again he think he's only a couple of bad results away because he's had those bad results he hadn't been against Roy Moore and had them against Liverpool and both times he came for it in part because of the support of the Wallet Extraordinary for K.. And then you go we really didn't wait I'm Anne he he's incredible and just pick up on that idea. The consistency is very nice and from whole lonzo recalls played with Diego Maradona at the eighty six World Cup and by Donna was asked about this constant comparison between messy and Maradona said well look one of the things against Myra donor more than eighty six messy hasn't been able to replicate that but but that consistency is is extraordinary you can talk about plays in this generation like sedan and renounce now having the toughness that meant they overcame some of those and start the season we're very excited they paid absolutely brilliantly against against Real Madrid in the US scored seven goals wasn't open it finished one one as you say one nil tonight and then a brilliant Lucas goal to make it one one and in a way I mean this is some of outlets cotswold flaws but with paps he hasn't always reached the kind of levels that his talent would suggest although he's been in terms of efficiency at least an absolutely enormous success at relative when he hasn't been injured is Wales than Gulf and all of that Real Madrid I haven't spoken to him but that's how he comes across you never know whether you'll be able to counseling in if he's motivated a bail has had for club and country if you're not committed to what you're doing now Gordon have a game of golf it'd be back to square one way we said Yeah I must admit we're back to the Gulf again and it just feels like this is kind of an I think that's being overplayed obviously it's been overplayed because there is a generalized conception a concept of him which is he's maybe not entirely committed there is frustration with him there is that live of the natural status that they've lost and they were always likely take time but the frustrating thing I think for fans this doesn't feel like just a product of bedding in news but yeah the relationship is breaking down the relationship is very very difficult but then we said this summer to pick up on that idea of him going in the in the winter I mean person happened in the summer as well Ram- rejected Mitch came out and said I don't know him personally but from what I've read the comments he's made the first thing he thinks about easy cliche that people fall back on all Gareth file complex around Madrid he likes around the Gulf as if this was the worst thing of all time and tame but it feels like that once the gain somewhere along the line there's been a lack of nerve to really push this through to really genuinely expensive to really genuinely change based on a said said based on I appreciate that it's been around for quite well Lou we clearly know that as a little bit of a fractious relationship hero run snowboard over the last few days he's not happy and suggestions that you could leave in January Shanghai obviously these rumors yeah I don't I don't think this is this is accurate for number reasons could be story coming from some of the identity on that right now that neither one thing nor the other meanwhile of course Gareth Bale has been making headlines once again story exchanger but we'll see how we improved once the international break approaches Twelve that much of it you're saying but I'm from Madrid hoping to have other bidders come forward but there's a major issue with players moving to China in terms of of the tax that's that's put start with garrisoning while already do quite like the go from admitting and then so of making kind of slightly tongue in cheek joke of it all I care about is Gulf but I think partly that's been I just I think it's an easy stick excuse the pun to be worth when every story it hasn't happened I genuinely do not believe that this is accurate at least as we as we speak down with late October I don't think it makes a lot of sense to not see out the season unless you opportunity to guy who's going to be there then and not at the end I don't really see the logic in it exactly because some of the things he says which I almost said I think it's telling me Jeetan how about the Gulf and other stuff because clearly clearly you don't have a career. Coe injured with Venus not playing particularly well with eating hazard in his first season say all right that's fine we'll just give Gareth Ah yeah of course it is something on their minds because the relationship isn't good but the relationship wasn't good in the summer he still then not because anyone really and truly chose the him to still be there leaves I wonder what you and what Spain is made of this well I mean Elvis you imagine what Spain is made of this kind of ready for this everyone always makes the assumption hi Dave I'm trying to think they don't let you doing it like four hours before you know there's a bit of a Titan Freeman I'm sure there's an account so it's not exactly that it bemused me that between both parties this wasn't salted and why we're here yet again actually going to go in and play golf in China amidst the pollution in Shanghai but even if this were all true row Madrid would have to admit season with the I'm with Craig on city listen I'm not going to address the Gulf rumors I I don't think it needs any further addressing the issue for me is we back to right where we will slightly kind of flippant about this and I do say it slightly tongue in cheek the two times that the marina story has really kind of Windsor Dan walks away or Wednesday sack wins it doesn't continue and the question is when does that happen or does it happen and the risk of sounding victor give Gareth Bale away just to get his wages off the bill I just can't see that I just can't see that happening the logic these opportunities before on any transfer fee paid which means that they couldn't pay transfer so this would or they'd have to pay very low one so this would be a case even if the story were true and Babbel's it's the first time we've had you on since the embolic article suggesting pretty much everything is in place regarding Joseph Marina waiting to step in when Zindedine sedan figured that'd be a wanted oh we figured that Real Madrid wanted him out yet so we have in that the exact same discussion what three months later which lifespan Ya yes what I'm coming back beginning of all this nothing's changed we knew that bill and Z.. Dan didn't see I tie that they didn't have a good relationship with we knew that we number minded president yes is Maria someone they think they could talk to turn to in the short term without needing a long time to set it all up yes but all they just about continues then TV doesn't particularly when some of these same Alaba spoken to him by it seems to me it's Wales and then you know that is just making an assumption his head I'll go back to the five he's one east had a career that everybody else would most people would die for you don't have if you're not connected to the game to bring Marino in but also knows the potential consequences of this marina himself has made the right noises about coming back and look the realities as Marino in the mind of the club and and I think I think what game wrote took the story on a little bit in the sense that this is ready and it's in place and is there because you use the phrase you used that we'll member and

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It's a Cat's World, Part 2: The Rise of the Cat Show

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It's a Cat's World, Part 2: The Rise of the Cat Show

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The time is now ripe to the carlos watson show on the iheartradio app or wherever he is ridiculous histories of production of i heart Welcome back to the schubert historians. Thank you so much for tuning in. This is part. Two of our episode on the astonishingly rich. History of cat shows. We had to take a break and employees with our own cats. Well no maybe you played with your cat. I had to feed one of mine because he was screaming at me. Man i tell you. This cat is new cat. That i've got has a really really adorable thing that she does where she likes to pounce claws out on bare feet. You've mentioned that you've been recommended spitzer bottle to break her of this habit but I also have a laser pointer that i have to use as a diversion so that i can just cross the living room without like getting attacked. So you know again. A great example of cats going to do what cats gonna do. yes now. Imagine taking these notoriously anti-authoritarian creatures and trying to get them to light up for a display of their prowess in a catch show so back to this guy mentioned earlier is name harrison. We're his. He's claim to fame in history being super into cats. Two cats myself. So thanks for making this less stigmatized harry. He shook the world at its foundations like the guy with the bread slicing machine. He was an animal lover of animals and he held cats hire the most other animals in his esteem. He said they are possibly the most perfect. And certainly the most domestic animals. That's very nice though. It is scientifically not accurate He wasn't always a cat person in his book. Our hats and them in eighteen eighty nine. He said you know. I used to have a bias against cats. I took some time coming to this pro cat belief and once he was convinced that cats were cool. He started to proselytize for them. He became the edward as fighting a one man battle to save the public image of cats. And here's a line from what he wrote. He said log ages of neglect little treat mentioned absolute cruelty with little or no kindness or training have made the cat self reliant and he also said the small or large dog may be regarded impediment but is generally use list at cat pat or not ease of service which is interesting because you probably also heard the opposite argument from a lot of people folks throughout history. I think it's in the eye of the beholder or the pedder. So he knew he knew he couldn't just write books. That say cats are cool. Right literacy is not where it is at this point in twenty twenty and also books you to pay for them so like how can i. How can i get more people on board with cats. in general this led him to develop a competition. The cat show so he wanted to get the wealthy upper crust on board with the idea. That idea that we're it sounds where we talked about it. We'll all these pets shows. Do the idea that you will take your cat the your animal. Whatever you're in this case your cat you'll take your cat to a single place and then they're all somehow authority. Who is like again they look at your persian cat like. This is the most persian. Persian cats this most djelic aloof street. Cats or whatever. Here's your award To do this he had to make it look legit so he started making rules and categories at again. Be very honest with you here folks. This stuff is arbitrary. He's just kind of going with what feels good in his mind at the time. When you say yeah i mean you know he Was essentially this is the thing that never been done before. So he had to start somewhere. would love to hear a few examples of these cat. Gorey's he so. There were a couple of things like Type of cat mainly persian cat. A said already manx cats english. Shorthair cats things like that and then each of those would have the thing that qualified them as that cat breed But it's not super specific to the point of lake The tail should be exit meters long or anything like that. Yeah that's right So you know in true cat loving fashion as kind of innovator of this whole thing. He appointed himself Well he referred to as an adjudicator and he was joined by his brother. John and a priest named reverend mcdonagh and then they hired a show manager named f wilson then had to get some people to actually participate so they rounded up some of their friends and family With referred to as a goodly number of animals were assembled to be evaluated and when he was on the train heading to the crystal palace the day of the big show. He actually ran into a friend who asked how he was doing and where he was going to. Which we're responded the cat show and it's friend was astonished and said a show of cats. Why i hate the things rubbed the wrong way. Obviously ism as a man of the cat and he said. I'm sorry very sorry that you do not like cats before kind of going into the spiel explaining the the the majesty and glory of cats as animals but also Of of this event that he was trying to curate and then you know in his book. We mentioned earlier our cats and all about them. We're talks about this conversation. And then eventually admits. He went a bit overboard at his friends. Just said stop. I see you do like cats. And i do not so let the matter drop. Did he let it drop. Of course not. He doubled down. He took his cat hating friend from the train with him to the crystal palace and there they discovered that the show was off to a great start. we're looking at a range of cats around one hundred and fifty to two hundred and eleven were shown cats somewhere between there. There were two hundred thousand guests that showed up to just stare at cats. Two hundred thousand That's insane it's. It's a good turnout you know. It's a good turnout at. The newspapers played a role in this Because they talked about it in advance they also noticed. The presence of exotic cats like the feline version of an imported weird car. Yeah well that's certainly would have been seen as an oddity or they wouldn't have been able to see every day so there was some draw. There's things like something called a scottish wildcat. That was owned by the duke of sutherland and algerian cat that was listed as a quote french african cat a poly dactyl cat that had twenty six clause and a tortoiseshell cat There were also some that purported to belong to the staff of the of the palace or to have been caught in the cellars of the palace and thrown into gauges to add some more numbers to to the To the showing so. I think we set this up earlier. We're has made a cat show with three judges himself. His brother one of his brothers and a priest was He was hired just because he was a priest. By the way folks he was a well known. Breeder of saint bernard so a friend of animals. If my cat's specifically we're had what he called the standards of excellence or standards of points these were the guidelines that these three dudes would use to judge these cats later these would be revised into a manual for organizers of other catch shows and this manual was called our cats so they were sorted according to things like coat length body type shape color. This is where this is where you see the of the phrase chunk. I'm kidding that lasts parts not true. Lean toward the mic. Like old odd. Excuse me yeah So again this this criteria's pretty much up to we're you know. He didn't have a ton of scientific analysis to bring to bear here. A wards were given two cats that best his criteria and then there were also. I would call them. Lake carnival. Awards the superlative awards. He know the biggest cat and the fattest cat which yes ridiculous. Historians were two different things. Of course there are no. I never would have questioned that. Nor i've ever questioned the judgement of this This triumvirate. I wonder if it was the these are similar. You know to what you see in a dog show like bite you know Posture gait things like that. But again a lot of the things that you do in a dog should only apply to cats. And i can only imagine that this would have been a bit chaotic right. Like cats are known for standing still and like you know bending to the will of people. So i imagined with like somewhere between hundred and fifty two to fifty. I imagine it would have been quite a thing to behold the noise alone write them. Cats are known for being super quiet. Either but it went over well. The crowd dug the whole judging quality. But where we're really kind of this is. This is a personal passion project for him. He wasn't in it for the accolades in it for the sheer. You know reverence of cat kind. And he wanted to let people know about the varieties of breeds and also convince people like you try to do on that train to give cats chance. I am one of thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer or nbc which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body. I am living in the moment and taking brands. Calico i one hundred and twenty five milligram. Tablets with an aroma tastes. Inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr positive her two negative nbc as the first hormone based therapy in your moment. Ask your doctor about eyebrows and visit eyebrows. Dot com patients taking i- brands can develop low white blood cell counts which may cause serious infections. That can lead to death. I branch may cause severe inflammation of the lungs that can lead to death. Tell your doctor right away. If you have new or worsening symptoms including trouble breathing shortness of breath. Cough or chest pain before taking. 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I branch may cause severe inflammation of the lungs that can lead to death. Tell your doctor right away. If you have new or worsening symptoms including trouble breathing shortness of breath. Cough or chest pain before taking. Iran's tell your doctor if you have fever chills or other signs of infection liver or kidney. Problems are pregnant. Breastfeeding or plan to become pregnant. Common side effects include low red blood cell and low platelet counts infections. Tiredness nausea sore mouth abnormalities in liver blood tests diarrhea hair thinning or loss vomiting rash and loss of appetite. You can get a few more blue by blue reports of this in an excellent article from atlas obscure. How england's first cat show countered victorian snobbery. This this thing was a runaway success. His friend on the train was wrong. I was on the wrong side of history. Which is weird to say about cacho's but here we are on the. I catch show plant kind of in a hurry. It's a little bit of a one man band situation. And he wanted to get the wealthy people in the ariss does it was a success so the second show expands of few months later. He encourages working class people to submit their own ordinary cats. Like you know the their neighborhood tom. Or whatever Let's call them famous. Tom that's a cool cat name So weird hope that by celebrating the everyday cats. He he i. I love that earlier point. He's not trying to make money what he was january. It appears to be the case that what was genuinely tried to do was inspire owners of cats or humans of cats throughout all socioeconomic levels to take better care of these felines so this next exhibition has many more cats on display. There's an expanded judge pool. They also have trophies that they're awarding to people it's it's getting legit but then of course fame gets in the way The shows at crystal palace did have a positive impact on social perception of cats and they were getting There were gradually becoming less of a divisive thing to have in your home in eighteen. Eighty seven we're founds. The national cat club. He appoints himself president and then they have their first official show at the crystal palace as you know like the national cat club. Cat show or cat competition cap petition. The pieces were there and what we were saying. I think the i go of this. There were somewhere between a hundred two hundred to two hundred entries. This one had more than three hundred twenty entries into the competition again. That just seems like it would have been absolute chaos but i. They seem to manage to keep under control but the interesting thing is we're kind of starts to get the sense that people other people's motivations aren't as pure as his other people aren't in it just for the cat you know and he expressed in eighteen ninety two in a new preface for the second edition of our cats and all about them. He kind of expressed remorse at ever having been part of the national cat club. He said he no longer believed in their ideals. And instead of like this. I now feel the deepest regret that i was ever induced to be in any way associated with it The main problem he said in a statement was that a lot of these be considered a lotta these so-called caffeine ears to be narcissists And it was all about themselves was all about. What could the cats do for them. In terms of their or whatever rather than focusing on the animals themselves he went on to say i found the principal. Idea of many of its members consisted not so much in promoting the welfare of the cat which she capitalizes by the way Like you would like god As of winning prizes and more particularly their own cat club metals. By the way we're was known for his reverence capitalization of the word cat. This guy meant business and in his defense it was a arbitrary capitalization of different things was More common back then but still yes. It's definitely choice. That's a feline flex. On his part the issue is that the general public was not eligible to win these special metals. The way you could win and cat club medal is if you are a cat club member or a cat who's human was a cat glove member so we're thought this was super snotty. And you know what he was right because he had been trying to raise respect for cats so he needed the ruling class the wealthy class on board there. But he didn't know they would bring their elitist tendencies and of course they did. It was part of the way they define themselves at the time so now cats in general are no longer considered super dirty wicked of butts. There's there are a lot of class issues. That are ruining catch shows for harry. Some judging categories are divided by the class not of the cat but of the cat owner and This one reporter who went to a national cat club show in eighteen ninety nine said the following. I am sorry to see that. Some cats entered into the working men's classes or also entered into the ordinary classes. These to my mind are only bogus working. Men's cats a pre Bill and ted's excellent adventure. Bogus was a much more Impactful insulting yeah. It's almost like where kind of created a monster with with this whole thing. He was in for all the right reasons and he was he was doing it to kind of combat the snobbery of the time when it came to animals and purebreds all of that and to get people more hip to the idea that cats are cool too but then of course as as will snobbery pervaded his cat shows and what they want. It became with something that he did. not like. And it just kind of snowballed from there This kind of pervasive snobbery just got deeper and deeper And it really was kind of like almost become causing the cats themselves to be treated like commodities as opposed to you know what we're intended which was to highlight them as the noble creatures that he believed they were and give them their due when we've got this history of cats being treated horribly but at the end of the day even if it wasn't in the way that we're maybe wanted it to be it certainly was raising the profile of cats in the public kind of collective unconscious as opposed and francis simpson cat lover wrote in his nineteen thousand three book of the cat. The following in terms of like the kind of shifting cachet of felines he said the cat is gradually creeping into the affections of mankind. Even in this busy work a day world and then he called out where a as the kind of single minded individual that led to the quote great strides in cat fancy dumb. Suppose especially after being reviled as visionaries often are You'll recall back to eighteen seventy one. When we're cad. That really awkward encounter on the train or he wouldn't let it lie that cats needed to be loved You know and respected. Even if the general consensus was that they were lower creatures right. Yeah but the cat will of turn to gets them for time We also see other people acknowledging his foundational role here Magazine called lady's realm in one thousand nine hundred Expressed the same belief. They said we are had quote done wonders for the amelioration of pussy or repairing the reputation of the cat in just the span of thirty years which is not a long time. Cats had gone from being chased in the streets to be allowed to sit. Emperor by the fireside and lady's realm also concluded how great has been the change in the conditions of life for the harmless necessary cats. I'm one of thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer or mbc which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body. I'm living in the moment and taking brands papa. cyclic eyebrows. One hundred twenty five milligram tablets with an aroma taste. Inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr positive her two negative nbc as the first model based therapy being your moment. Ask your doctor about brands and visit eyebrows. Dot com patients taking i- brands can develop lower blood cell counts which may cause serious infections. That can lead to death. I brand smae cause of ear inflammation of the lungs that can lead to death. Tell your doctor right away. If you have new worsening symptoms including trouble breathing shortness of breath cough or chest pain before taking. Iran's tell your doctor if you have fever chills or other signs of infection liver or kidney. Problems are pregnant. Breastfeeding or plan to become pregnant. Common side effects include low red blood cell in low platelet counts infections. Tiredness nausea sore mouth. Abnormalities in liver blood tests. Diarrhea hair thinning hair loss. Thumbing rash and loss of appetite. This episode of ridiculous sister is brought to you by go daddy. Yeah that's right. Look a lot of people want to run their own. Businesses create their own websites. And that's something that go daddy can help you with. Its way more than just naming your site go. Daddy has all the help all the tools that you'll need to build a site to sell products online and to link to your social media and here's the thing it's the perfect time to start something new and with go daddy's helping tools you can start your small business and make twenty twenty one. The year of the fresh start. Yeah you can make a different future with go daddy. It's perfect for small businesses because they've got free tools. They've got expert advice. And they can make sure your business reacts fast and securely and is always online virtually sell your products anywhere us one of their many design templates or get one of their pros to build your site for an even more customized. Look you can create professional websites with everything you need to grow your business. It's free to get started at go. Daddy dot com at this point now that we're reaching the end of two episode We need to share an epilogue because you see nothing occurs nevada q. It's one of the consistent lessons of history so while this cat craze is occurring london's crystal palace other people throughout europe are getting on board. They wanna be a part of this. And so that's when we see four other catch shows being held by members of the public unrelated to harrison. we're There are two in london to in scotland and then eventually they just become a common thing. It's no longer weird to hear about the The annual show eventually of course because the us is always a trying to emulate european culture at this time The practice of the cat show crosses the atlantic if you were at madison square garden in eighteen. Ninety five just hanging out then you may have. Well run into the first well-known catch show on the american continent and the same thing happened. People started forming cat clubs sir organizing their own of its and then they morphed into the things you see today which are still not as popular as the as the dog shows right. What is it you can nuba dog show. That's the one the idea. That's the brand that sponsors that Popular dog food at the top of the show first episode. I almost joked like this. Seems like a relic of the past like shows shirley don't exist anymore. At what a dummy. I am like of course they still exist there. They're not as popular or as widely broadcast or or known as dog shows. But they certainly exist and you can actually go to see a dot org and see a calendar of cat shows and also the years previous winners from all the different categories of breeds. Cf a standing for the cat fanciers association. I love that the word fancy is still part of it. Be noted still in the nomenclature. There's a very popular cat magazine. Called cat fancy. I think there's also dog fancy. But i believe cat. Fancy is definitely a thing. Well they're. I'm sure there are fans of felines. Who will tell us that. Cats are just fancier. No no comment no comment. I love all animals. Well not all of them. They had some things work out with. Possums possums weird right by the other one here like oh. They're very strange. Even era seen one. Like come up on you at night. Weird transparent glory is no thank you. This will out of all the marsupials this continent could have had. We got possums anyway. Yes cats so now as as noll said you can find catch shows pretty easily in the us and in europe. And you see that people's opinions of cats. This is what i know. I kept hitting on this. The the judging qualifications and standards are still pretty arbitrary. right the siamese cat which is now the ninth. Most popular cat breed in america was once upon a time seen as a quote unnatural. Maher kind of cats and now here in twenty twenty one it that the more things change the more they stay the same. As long as there are cats there are going to be cat shows. Let us know if you've got to. Would you know what i mean. Send us pictures of your cats Or send us pictures of your pets. Extra points extra arbitrary internet points for for really really weird pets. We're not gonna get into it today but if you wish you wanna do a little extra reading on the side. There is a how stuff works. Article on. how cat shows work Gotta animals dot. How stuff works dot com slash pets slash cat dash show dot h. t. m. Some good info there on just the procedural aspects of cat shows which clearly still exists although unfortunately cat fancy magazine stopped publishing in two thousand fifteen. So you know. It's tough to be a print magazine these days but the sentiment and the values of cat fancy a live on in homes across the planet We hope that you enjoyed this episode. Maybe you had a furry companion of your own purring along as you listened. I let us know. What other animal competitions have you seen. I'm sure there are horse shows aplenty dresses performances and so on The the thing we mentioned earlier the thing i was saying about the most beautiful goat i was referring to the mazda yen almaz competition in saudi arabia. The goat from damascus dame core won the first prize for most beautiful goats. Yeah i don't really think of the word beautiful when i think of goat so maybe therein lies the the irony of the competition. It's a kind of called a damascus. Goat hang on guys. I'm gonna say. I sent you a picture. It's worth it This is this is not the specific. But this is what these what these goats look-alikes so null casey i want you to pull this up and put it in our chat on our zoom. Check this out. A beautiful looks like a fast. Looks like like. Oh my god and it has weird little little elf ears. It's eiser and the wrong. They're like it. Looks like a lizard like it's got an eye on each side of its head. That is what is going on. Wow yeah well. Beauty's in bill holder casey. What do you think about that guy. I mean it's a very unique so diplomatic. Associate that with beauty so again. That's that's one of my way to prove that. Sometimes these standards gambiae arbitrary of fake so much for coming along with us on. This journey thinks they harrison we are for redeeming the cat. Thanks to our long-suffering super producer. Casey pegam and and of course thanks to christopher haciendas fakes williams and composed our theme. Eve's jeffco checkout her show this day in history class along with jay dot il the podcast which she produces huge thanks to research. Associate gabe lucia and cat fancier. I imagine i assume what to confirm that later directly but This was definitely a doozy of a two parter. I certainly learned a lot. I'm a cat owner. And i didn't know half of the stuff and we would like to hear from you if you want to start a cat picture or pet picture. Sharing thread go on over to ridiculous historians on facebook. And let us let us know what your non human companions look like a guidon bonus points for any really exotic or unexpected ones. You can also find us on instagram. You can find us on twitter not just as shows but as individuals. That's right you can find me on instagram. I am at how. Now noah brown and you can send me your pictures directly. 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SciFri Extra: Science Diction On The Word 'Dinosaur'

Science Friday

12:06 min | 1 year ago

SciFri Extra: Science Diction On The Word 'Dinosaur'

"Hey there we're back again with another episode of science fiction. I hope you've been geeking out about this stuff as much as I have. I don't know about you but when I was a kid I was just obsessed with the Brontosaurus. Couldn't get enough of it so you better bet. I'm excited for this episode. I resident word near Johanna. Mayor is back with the story of the man who coined the word dinosaur settling folks. It's GonNa be a good one but first we need your help. We'd like to learn more about you. And what you're interested in and how science Friday fits into your lives. So please take this short survey so we can learn more about you. Head on over to science Friday dot com slash word survey. Here's science-fiction when you step into the main hall at the Natural History Museum in London. It feels more like you're in. A cathedral vaulted ceilings light streaming through tall windows all that jazz and when he walked through that hall under the Blue Whale Skeleton suspended from the ceiling and past the full dinosaur skeleton. You approach staircase. It's one of those grand staircases. Like the One. In titanic with the landing for someone very important to stand on very prominently. And that's exactly where you'll find Charles Darwin or a gleaming white statue of him sitting all pensive on a throne with his hands folded in his lap overseeing the hall but there was one person who would have really really hated that Darwin statue the founder of the Natural History Museum. His name was Sir Richard Owen and he invented the word dinosaur from science Friday. This a science fiction. I'm Johanna Mayor. We're talking about the word dinosaur. When it came to dinosaurs for Millennia people had seen these mysterious bones but they had no idea what they were. There's even evidence that Griffin's those magical creatures with the lion's body and wings were inspired by dinosaur fossils and it just so happens. That England was a fossil goldmine. People came up with random names for this so that creature as they stumbled upon them but nobody really put the pieces together. That all of these fossils were connected part of the same family under a common name enter. Richard Owen Owen was a super talented naturalist and paleontologist. He had more than six hundred scientific books and papers to his name. He ranked high up there in the scientific community. He was chummy with the royal family. They asked him to tutor their kids. He wants looked at a six inch fragment of a bone and was able to figure out what the whole animal would look like this guy know his bones so when he got a good look at some of these mysterious fossils he was perfectly positioned to crack this dinosaur case wide open in particular he noticed the specimens that he was looking at shared this one strange quality. All five vertebrae at the base of their spines looked like they had fused together during their lifetime. Something he hadn't seen in contemporary reptiles he wrote up his observations in a journal in Eighteen. Forty one and he called this new class of creatures dinosaur area and there you have it dinos a Greek word which means horrible or fearful and sorrows which means lizard a terrifying lizard. It was Owen. Who DETERMINED THAT? Dinosaurs were their own special group of reptiles the dinosaurs and not just any other scaly creature based on that strange quality. Those specimens shared a fused vertebrae. Those fossils people were finding. They were no longer just a smattering of random bones lodged in a hillside. Now they were connected. They were a thing. They had a name and soon. It was full dino fever in Victorian London and Owen. By creating that word in conjuring up a single name became the father of the dyno's the newly discovered prehistoric creatures even made an appearance at the Iconic Crystal Palace which was home to exhibitions and festivals. Kind of like a world's fair sculptor was hired to create the life size three dimensional herd of dinosaurs to roam the park outside the Crystal Palace. An Owen was his scientific advisor. The sculptor invited a group of scientists and condemning into their important men for dinner inside the mold used for the giant iguanadon sculpture. And I'm not joking when I say giant. It took six hundred bricks thirty eight casts Simpson one hundred feet of iron hooping and nine hundred plain tiles among others to bring the sculpture to life and on New Year's Eve eighteen fifty three. The guests took their seats inside the dinosaurs shell where they dined on mock turtle soup Pheasant Pigeon Pie and at the head of the table. Right inside the NOGGIN. That giant IGUANADON was Richard Owen. So why is it Darwin sitting on the landing of that grand staircase at the Natural History Museum? Well because Richard Owen blew his chance not once but twice the thing about Richard Owen was. He was brilliant but he was also not the easiest person to get along with. He's been accused of failing to acknowledge others work or flat out stealing it for himself. Some even say that other scientists had done the topper work of describing the dinosaur fossils and Owen. Just kind of swooped in at last minute to name them getting all the glory basically he would do whatever it took to stay at the top of his field and that came out full force when Charles Darwin came to town. You've probably heard of Darwin's famous book on the origin of species. The book that introduced the world to evolutionary theory and turned a whole lot of science on its head but look it's not like origin of species was instant hit. Most of the old guard in the scientific community wasn't too happy about the ideas about evolution in that book Owen included. He wasn't about to give up his top perch in the field by backing some younger scrappy. Scientists with crazy ideas owen decided to write an anonymous tear down of the book but everyone knew it was him. The scientific world has looked forward with great interest to the facts which Mr Darwin might finally deem adequate to the support of his theory on the supreme. Let's just say the review wasn't the most riveting piece of work you've ever heard white on that mystery of mysteries but have honestly chief. It was dry as hell and also really dismissive of Darwin's ideas are disappointment may be consumed failing the adequacy all right so strike one. The review was a chance for Owen to react in this open generous way to new scientific ideas and come out on the right side of history and he blew it but look a lot of people weren't on board with Darwin's ideas in the beginning but then Owen got a second chance just two years. After Darwin published his book archaeopteryx showed up. And that was a big deal. Archaeopteryx was a transitional fossil. You've probably seen pictures of it in your High School Textbook. It had wings and feathers but also a full set of teeth and a long bony tail. It was a missing link between non avian dinosaurs and birds the evolutionary evidence that bridge those two things together and what better person to be able to make that connection then Richard Owen? He described these giant birds. In named the dinosaurs this fossil should have been a slam dunk and it was also his opportunity to say. Hey you know what I might have been wrong. Maybe Darwin was actually onto something here. Let's take another look at his theory. See where it takes us. But that's not. What Owen said. He dismissed archaeopteryx. Just any other home. Fossil claiming of nothing more than a bird. He blew it again. We were this close to remembering Richardo and as just an incredible biologist who named the dinosaurs but instead Richard Owen will forever be the man who looked at a feathered dinosaur and saw nothing special who read Darwin's Grand Theory and dismissed. It said today. Everyone's heard of Charles Darwin but Richard Owen. He is Darwin's footnote. The rivalry outlasted. Both men men Owen may have founded the Natural History Museum but it was Darwin who became the apple of Britain's I and it was his statue that was erected in the place of honor in the museum. After he died we can only imagine how Richardo and might have felt about that but their story didn't end there. Owen finally did get his do after he died. When curator's shunted the famous Darwin's into a different room and statue of Owen? Went UP IN. Its place but it wasn't to last. It was Darwin who ultimately had the final word eleven years ago on the Hundred Fiftieth Anniversary of on the origin of species. Museum curators decided that Darwin deserve to sit at the top of those stairs. After all and Richard Owen got the boot. Darwin literally knocked the father of the dinosaurs off his pedestal again. He's been there ever. Since Science. Fiction is written and produced by me Johanna mayor with production and editing. Help from Ella fetter. Our senior editor is Christopher Intel. Yada and we had additional story editing from Nathan Toby. Our theme song and most were music by Daniel Peterson and additional music. Credits are on our website. Fact checking help from Michelle Harris. We had mixing health from CAITLYN's Swale J. for more stories like these. Subscribe to science fiction. Wherever you get your podcasts special. Thanks this week to the biologist Sean. B Carroll and huge. Shout to the Stop at the Natural History Museum in London. If you want to read more about this there's an article by Howard Marquel on our site at science Friday dot com slash dinosaur. Thanks as always to the entire science Friday staff. We'll see you next time with the brand new word

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Its Just an Exploit Popularity Contest...

Beers with Talos

31:19 min | 8 months ago

Its Just an Exploit Popularity Contest...

"Welcome or welcome back this beers with Talos episode. Eighty six today is June fifth, twenty twenty. And we're all here so. We're going to get this started. I like match opening. Up Pretty much sums this week, we've already spent probably last twenty minutes talking with each other and and figuring out what each other's mind sin I don't think that there's probably any way to make that arable, but that being said we wanna jump right in because we do have a lot of content to cover. If you're. A if you're a regular listener, the podcast you know that last episode we wrapped up the Inbetween I do want to encourage everybody to keep sending in those questions on twitter that was a a great part of those in between episodes, and we and we'd like to see that. Keep going. We did keep one of the questions from episode because it tied in so closely with today's topic Joel. Do you have that that question ready? When are we going to start seeing the hypothesis of how the CV actually weaponized and delivered. I didn't understand this question. I didn't understand that question, either so the the the end of the tweet is, it's great knowing there's a volume but. So I'm guessing I think I I. Think what what they're saying is. Is there a way to better prioritize CDs in terms of patching and what I would say is we're GONNA be talking about the. US Sir Top ten twenty sixteen to twenty nine hundred nine CDs that were globally. And in doing the research on those I found that there were some that news to this day. Still Online security focus are listed as a non exploited in the wild, which is interesting, and then also I've seen some that were labeled by Microsoft, initially as less likely to be exploited. And so what I think he's asking here is. Are we gonna get to a point where where the disclosures on CD's are going to be sufficient to where we can better? Decide whether or not to pass them and an enterprise level. This is important, but I would say that's. That's super hard. Because Microsoft's done a very good job of improving how. Just know that I'm talking over a period of twenty years now of improving how response to CDs and the information he gives, and even they have a difficult time in times deciding whether or not something exploitable into understand that that security and hacking in particular is like the science of the extremely unlikely. And and it just will look to you forever like it can't be done until the first guy figures out how to do it, and then everybody knows. Done yeah, absolutely, and that's what I what I hate about it, and why would hate to be in that position and so many people are is patches. Don't do I risk my systems being disrupted by this or don't do I take the downtime or don't I and nets had maybe some of the hardest calls that people are have to make at the enterprise level. What we wanted to talk about today. As kind of a primary topic is a list that Matt came across of the. Top Ten or ten most routinely exploited vulnerabilities and go through the CD's associated with us. So US D. H. S. essentially a put this out through. the really good at at labeling things. So this is if you're playing along home. This is document a twenty dash one three three a so you can just pull that up pretty easily, This is cool. This is actually a really informative I was impressed with the work. Here I will disclose that we actually tell actually worked. provided a couple of of pieces the data for this work. so maybe by a split. It kind of breaks. There's actually there's actually two sets of data wants to talk. Ten Most of owner leaves between sixteen to Twenty Nineteen and we can. We can go through those in the other ones are some some of the more commonly expletive motivation in twenty twenty? and I think one of the one of the reasons is so important is that these vulnerabilities continue to be exploited opportunistically? And especially since he's our state actors, and these are some of these state actors, typically adversaries to the United States. Also are commonly targeting human rights, organizations, and dissidents inside of. Of their countries and they're not typically super well funded when they're when they're going after these people, and so they don't have more modern operating systems, applications et Cetera so. Like the oldest of these is a twenty, so that's that's what this list is. It can also be useful. Useful for enterprises, especially with the twenty day to kind of what's happening currently. In helped him see. Trends in attacks over time or the interesting thing I. See looking into the last one you're right. There's the like the very instant age of a lot of these are still super popular, but if you look at the maller associated with a lot of these, you see a lot of names that we run across often, which is not surprising at all right like I mean dried drydocks Pony Jack's boss. Fence by all the eternal things. You're seeing all those names there. So. Let's let's let's think about that for a second right. I mean if you're a actor in, you're trying to do something kind of on the sly. You're not really going to use really. Specialized vulnerabilities right number one. It's expensive right? Nobody wants to burn zero day and number two. It's going to get noticed and the last thing people want to do is have a really. Nice, High End Zero Day get noticed by the media. And, so we all know there's way too many people that don't patch, and so they look for these abilities that have public exploit code being exploited every day that won't raise an eyebrow and have a decent chance of working against an industry they target. And also by the way that I wanted to jump in, but you were making such good sense it, and what is what the name on this? Know I'm really sorry. I don't mean to be mean to anybody. But how the hell do you title a paper? A twenty one three eight? A. Number? The title is taught ten. How how magister skims through it like just he's accepted that that's just how it is. Yeah so one thing I noticed obviously, and this is. This is kind of a thing that we see all the time, and we talk about all the time. Just based on users based on on market, share and things like that the vast majority of these top ten are focused around windows, systems, windows, servers, and we have a couple of others in there like. Good old adobe flash phone got to have one of those right can have any top ten list are the best. Kind of assistance. There's the equation editor bug. We've talked about on this podcast in the past. That was the one where Microsoft had to go in hand patch, because they apparently didn't have the source code for Eventually, I think they just disabled entirely out of the product suite. there was the handler and the interesting about those two to bugs, initially identified by Microsoft in their passengers exploitation, less likely so a two out of whatever scale the AD. So we had, we had a discussion about ballot like CV's anticipating exploitability on vulnerabilities just reinforce. That's hard to do. in these these things that were initially thought of be less likely to be exploited are now one of the most commonly exploited in that time. There was Apache struts. We clearly seen just tons of an addictive. Drip guys mentioned earlier. there was the Ms Con- control of. The activex control. To Twenty twelve one. that that still actually comes back around. Yeah, and the and it has to do with like where why you're targeting. The those are not those are in use by state adversaries against less sophisticated targets, and most other governments. There's the share point R. C. E. Those the one. Honestly, that's the one that I kind of found a little interesting. That, that's being used as heavily as it is, and the reason I guess I. Find It interesting in my head. Is. How many share point installations out there are accessible from the Internet. And maybe they're like they're coming in and then pivoting share point I mean that that could be possible, but there's more than you'd like to know. I'm sure I'm sure. It would be something that would be internal. Hell right like I. Don't WanNa. Give you more bad news for Angel but just. Just go with that. Shit optimism land. Curtain population one. Wrestler. I, stick with my fingernails on the side of the cliff. You don't worry. He's not staying long. So so there's there's also obviously turn blue in there, which was? I makes it by impact on those on the two major occasions that it was used more than it was kind of broadly The flashy guys talked about earlier the soap wsdl processor. Are Parcel. Ms Fifteen three three. which was the RTF? Drop that that we've seen and that's the top ten for that time period. What was at Twenty Sixteen to Twenty nineteen? the current crop that Tony. Twenty crop is. Targeting the remote access appliance to six impulse secure VPN appliances the. We've definitely seen in the field. and then. Some some some descriptions of a social engineering targeting towards Microsoft Office be sixty five in general poor's user education. So. The only two CDs really specifically called out by season twenty twenty were the center Paul Security in ones. I kind of went back and looked through some of these I like that example share point. is on this list, but insecurity focus in solicitous currently we are not aware of any working exploits. And it's just it's so hard to keep these things. Current these kind of infant information sources current, so it's just a reminder that is you're trying to to. triage revaluate CV's. For whatever is to make sure that you dig a little deeper than just checking security focus. Or, minor and seeing things. Check missed. Look at the the CV's on on because they keep it pretty much up to date and stuff security focused hasn't been today in years. Years. Yeah. I'm a nice guy. That's where actually that's where that's. Where sort polls. Most of its information for storyteller pulls most of its information for docs as well as from nist so just to give some good news here since I know, we could all use some. If you look at the dates on these I am enjoying the fact that there's less newer stuff like most the stuff on this list is from before two thousand or Waiting for publicly available exploit to exist. Maybe well, hold on. That's actually I wanted to talk about that because I was an interesting point that jumped out, but how many of these were discovered as O'Day? They would all be all. They're all zero day. You'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT NIGEL! How many of these discovered as a result of an exploited day? More specific. I don't think those struts droop. If I remember correctly. We're both post patch. Of the. FLASH WASN'T O'DAY. Be attornal blue. Obviously. Day when I used to us. Discovering Party, don't you? Close. I think the the I duNno I didn't really. It's not again. It's not really easy to go back in time and figure out kind of how these things were discovered in Leicester's. Unless, there's something I would say the only ones that I remember specifically. Seeing that were day on discovery were. The US after free and flash THE REST OF THEM I. don't remember them specifically being called out as being used in the wild. Prior to patching. Well, let's let's take a step back though because I think. I don't want to provide a false sense of security right just because it's not known to have been exploited in the wild does not mean it hasn't been right. Right? Does that mean that you know. People are taking security research information and using that to weaponize something that was quickly patched. Whatever doesn't necessarily seem to be the case. That even if nobody ever wrote about any of these. Information bias in this result too, so it isn't about like like like. state-sponsored hack attackers are not sitting around waiting for. That's exactly what I'm trying to get. We're waiting for HD. And to to publish the latest incarnation of vulnerability, right they they are fully. Self contained in in while. while. We are part of Microsoft, Matt Program I was an analyst during a time at the source fire when we were not part of the map program, and so the way you write detection for that. Is You build a copy of whatever they're patching? And then you take a snapshot of that application. Then you pass it. You take a snapshot of that patient and that patch tells you what they changed. And then you have to go in and figure out okay. What's the triggering condition for this vulnerability? And then from there? You figure out okay. What do I do to take that treating condition and achieve code execution? And I can tell you that I was islas. Good enough to get triggering conditions but my manager the time to. Time turnover from patch to code execution. Very quickly. And she was incredible. There's also manager. But that's but that talent. But she's not unique in that talent. And so so there is a discussion, and maybe we should come back to this in a future episode because. It would be There is a discussion and was it was about a month ago. Insecurity twitter about publishing security tools, particularly publishing offensive security tools and the relative value. and. I remember when there was A. Much lower level of sharing and security information in how difficult it was to secure things in that environment. And so I'm more sensitive to the balance between sharing information for the fact to proving to people that it is something that can be done versus then potentially. Empowering adversaries of whatever stripes. There's also a factor of how easy it is to exploit right like Matt you're talking about achieving you know, the right conditions or getting RC, Craig, you're talking about that as well I suppose, an appearance on this list may also have some factor in how easy or trivial it is to achieve the exploit. Do we see an uptake in these exploits? When something hits you know like a rapid seven platform or something else i. mean do do we see? More exploit in the wild once. Those things hit those platforms as pen testing platforms. I'm not sure that's something that anybody's really measured over time Mitchell. Oh, yeah I mean. You could it would be easier probably to. Start, doing it and keep a record as To how easy that would be to go back in time to look at old data to find out, but. Usually when I would track it, and admittedly this has been years. You would see a very limited POC service. Right something that maybe didn't get full code execution, but it would actually you know right to the stack frame or something, and then crash. Somebody would get that far. Dump it publicly, and then just kind of be like see. It's Super Bad, and then you know mets core impact canvas. All those guys would pick it up and then make tools so that you could test your environment in other real downside is by the time those tools. See it and right all the very professional tooling. The bad guys are also working on it right the second it becomes public. Everybody starts working on it and you know. Like Mitch kind of alluded to if it does, it does open source tools, it makes it a lot easier to still code from. It sounds like correct me. If I'm wrong, a Matt might be the person to crack wrong. The eternal wasn't eternal blue kind of not. Really weaponized until it came out like in medicine or something like that, so what happened? If I remember correctly ways? It's important to remember that this is a league. This internal blue as we understand it at this time was based on the League Administra- This were older files. So! This goes back to what I was. Actually talking about was not so much about exploitability, but stability and what the problem was that the exploits worked occasionally on two thousand, eight, two thousand ten platforms. But were less reliable. They would frequently crash the device as opposed to actually reach code execution, and so, what happened in the months after that that The security. What's kid he did? Post pass release was actually stabilized that exploit so that it was more reliable on platforms. in that that's that involves sanding in looking for different. Without going into a lot of Rob Gadget, talking his about finding different places to hop around inside the compromise system to pass it or less likely to result in a crash in more likely to result in successful could execution, and that takes. That takes. Not just knowledge and and patients, but also years of work tracking the the options that are available in different operating systems, and knowing how to determine what operating system you're in, and how to then take different paths based on that in that all all of that takes expertise and work, and and years of storing information about systems. That is this is. A specialist environment. Me a punch, a hole in the firewall with a no op buffer overflow on the RC easy to. I don't know using. That easy is that. Would you say it can be like if you look at the rupel like the Drubel von? That that's on this list. And this is true for a lot of non Like better more about. Abusing web application services than they are about using memory structures tend to be Allama, tribute exploit, 'cause. You're essentially just yet to just figure out. How do I get it to accept string and executed and what you can do that? Then it's just string, do I WANNA pass it? And then it's just knowing what you want to achieve so that the struts and Rupel exploits are far easier like even if you were to look at. At them, if you were to look at those exploits in their form that the attacker has most most purity people, even even novice people would be able to get a sense of what they're trying to do. Res- If you look at the code for eternal blue, because it's involved in in the memory and trying to set things in passing through CETERA. It's not it's not going to be as easy for you understand what's happening. It's just much further abstracted from him. Yeah, but yeah, but I would say I would say kudos rookie. To season for this I think this is actually good information on anything that comes out in any kind of of analysis that that falls back on the expertise of government. These really valuable. The NSA recently had handsome inflation come out on, Sam Wermuth I was even those discussions about whether it was should have been an essay or the whoever to release it. I thought that that analysis was great. Because it's talking about, it's the. The same reason that we value the the fact that I are now works at a Talos is talking about we have seen real word. Inches of these these are things that you need to make sure you have on lockdown so that if you're trying to secure an environment, you know that all right, no matter what twenty twenty I have to get citric VPN impulse past, because they are absolutely being being hit in the wild. It can be difficult to track what's happening in the wild, and so these kinds of things where you're confirming this is the stuff you need to concentrate on I. Mean we're very hopeful. to to also to clear sand were is a threat actor. And the judge just to clarify the term that we're thrown out, right is. The threat actor from the NSA uses. The name that the it is not the threat act. The NSA uses to be further. It's. I think it's more widely noticed, black energy but the vulnerabilities in Xm Ta Right, which is a mail transfer agent, but That's a important call out like you would like to your point. This is you know what what's on my list of things. I need to patch well. Two Thousand Nineteen ten, fourteen nine. That's probably a good one because that's being excellent rights and the other thing that I liked about the the thing and I'm glad you pointed out of the exit, so my mind is. They also had specific indicators, just four where the Tigers coming from in terms of demand names nineteen and how we're. That actually allowed us to subsequently make some notifications onto customers to review certain events in their environment so that kind of information I think is fantastic in the board that we can get out of agencies that the better a super trivial the way to exploit to. If, you haven't seen it just. Go Nsa San were, it'll. It'll be. It'll be you know. Which is probably easier to remember then googling CV. One one five one zero. Eight two, zero, one, three nine a couple of years, but it says it right in there. It says it right in there like how like how it works, and it's. It's literally like a one line from command like super symbol on the nice thing about that is that that SMTP's that that text based protocol so it's easy to Parse. Ill look real nice worry. Well I. Do want to jump over to a more current foam. something that we actually just released You know earlier this week, or you know just probably a week or so we to ago by the time you're listening to this and we had a post that covered some some recent vulnerabilities. We discovered in the Zoom Service I. Think John Actually helped us right up. It was one of the things that was discovered by the bold team so high five to them for finding it, and that would be the vulnerabilities discovery team wreck. Indeed don't develop vulnerabilities buddy. They discover them. Try again. Hold on, so Craig. No, no, no, that was that was perfect. Yeah, so. Basically, the vulnerability development team does re. Name. So tell me about this development team. Exploit actors team. Yes there's vulnerability. Discovery Team Basically look for issues and products that everybody uses every day and what's really interesting about this team? is they look for stuff in ways that you know we basically can use again again at towels in ways that we can develop tools and released them through our open source programs and have that everyone can use to find security issues. Now. One of the big differences with you know the way the team operates is that we don't just want to dump the information out there and wave a big flag. We found one and then move along right. One of the things that weren't. We were making earlier. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't help anybody. I mean it's fun, but it doesn't help and so one of the things we do is, we'll reach out to companies and work with them to help get things fixed, and so in this particular case we worked with the folks at zoom to try and make sure that these issues were addressed. And to be clear, these remote code execution issues so two separate issues, which both could result in remote execution on the client, and so it was really important that people fixed it. Now one of the things I did want to talk about here because. I think it's it's a blurred line. Now that we all kind of live in a cloud world is that the zoom client communicates with Zoom Server Right. That's how it works. The issue here is that the zoom server can obviously dictate when the client needs to update, because it's cloud based, and so that's kind of the broader discussion point right as you have. These cloud APPs that have client side component, and the issue is in the client component, but you have to actually talk to the cloud for to be exploited. The lines blur a little bit, and so that's what I found really interesting in this. Because you don't see this a lot yet, I think we're GONNA see it a lot more in the future. Regardless the issue was fixed. You know the Vulnerable Library was removed in one case and the other case. There's a fixed that we go on in the blog post to describe how we would have done it slightly differently, but I think it does resolve the issue for the most part. Is Joel doing. Mike came off my desk. Yeah! This. Those not on the premium Youtube Channel Joel is currently holding his entire boom arm like it's actually a Mike Stand. That Freddie Mercury style, son. The MIC fell up my desk long awkward pause today. This is a story about my life today. Yeah, that's fair. We've covered this pretty exhaustively. Standard so I WANNA go around the Table One quick time get a closing, thought parting shot from everybody before we wrap it up for today. Nigel you've been looking and waiting patiently like you have some exciting news to share, so let's start with. You just want to say that everybody really needs to make sure that you've got multifaceted Roth and to cash on wherever you can possibly use it. And then make sure you know you're. You're doing all your software firm. We're updates as much as you can soon as you can and. Bacopa all of your data. You know a make sure that you backups it good, etc, you may you know they're not corrupted backups? And then you know just prepare for the rest of the Premier League less than two weeks away. The reds will go much on victorious, glorious again without purse game kickoff. The Blue Shiite where we obviously into goodison take care of business there follow by Crystal Palace in the mid week. Right and at that point see doesn't matter what happens with Manchester, city on the weekend before that because we're home, Crystal Palace the League trophy guests lifted right there and then six points is all we need norm saying. Absolutely just can't contain myself I got. Go out and you're. Going on. You know what I'm saying. Boyce, softening Victorian. Glorious Mighty reds. Joe Now that you are finished fixing your mic and throwing a cake pop Donald Gullit. I know my wife brought. She wasn't alone. Cousin caught parting shot. Good Amel Crocker okay. You know. Take care of each other. spay and neuter those pets. CRAG. Party shackling thought. You know I think everyone should make sure that they've actually thought about the security posture. You Know Matt's not wrong. Right past you in the price is really difficult, you know I think there are a lot of easy wins. Though so go for the easy wins where you can. Where things get complicated, think about what you can do right? There's no situation where you can't do anything. You can always turn on some level of security, and so do what you can quickly and then start looking at ways to improve what you can't. Antastic Matt. Any party shots closing thoughts advice religious doors when she got. Only things online this week and we talked about security so I. Say Black Lives Matter, and that's it. We have done our best to try and keep a typical. Light, upbeat fun episodes and Frankly just doesn't feel like everybody's feeling it today. So remember to. Stay involved stay in touch and. Keep doing the next right thing. Jurors We still recording nine. Mitchell yeah.

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