20 Episode results for "Croker"

4pm Newscast

Houston Public Media Local Newscasts

02:19 min | 4 months ago

4pm Newscast

"By from news eddie. Eight seven houston. I'm geared water harris county. health officials. Say they don't know if the current spike in cova cases is because of people gathering during the holidays or a new and more contagious co variant. The health departments doctors sherry on yego says have to do more genetic testing difficult to say that it's based on a new variant. We just aren't doing enough of that. Specific type of testing on yego says close to eighteen percent of cova test in harris county are now coming back positive. The union representing houston area Store-workers is asking kroger to improve. Its safety measures. Flurry and martin tells us it comes after nearly one hundred croker employees got the corona virus in one week following the christmas holiday. United food and commercial workers local 455 once kroger two more stringently enforced mass requirements limit. The number of customers in store an increase access to protect equipment and testing the union accuses kroger of minimizing the threat to its employees in an emailed statement. Kroger pointed out that with more than eighteen thousand employees in the region. The infection rate is relatively small. The company says it's taken numerous steps to protect both customers and workers since dependent started including personal protective equipment for employees plexiglass at checkout lanes and pickup and delivery options. I florida martin in houston when lawmakers are sworn in tomorrow and allston to north texas representatives. Say they won't be there because of covid concerns. Richardson democrat ana maria. Romo's says she's skipping the event it is a superspreader event in my opinion and we know that our republican counterparts. Don't take it seriously. That i do and we are going to not be there. Didn't kennedy democrat michelle. Beckley says it will be irresponsible to have lawmakers and their families in the house chamber for an extended period. We're expecting partly cloudy skies and colder temperatures tonight. Shikha down to about thirty. Three degrees mostly sunny skies on tuesday with our high going up to about fifty right now. It's cloudy forty five on the u h campus. I'm guilty eddie. Eight seven support for npr comes from npr stations. Other contributors include i-drive with remo pc.

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311: Listen,

The Slowdown

05:00 min | 1 year ago

311: Listen,

"I'm Tracy K Smith and this is the slowdown slowdown rain. Hammers down onto my roof. As I right it's one of my favorite sounds like the night is throwing its thousand fingers onto my house. How can there be so many raindrops? How have they not been exhausted? Austin if I listen discerningly I can hear the difference between the droplets hitting my house and those landing in the trees raise persistent a blanket of sound covering everything tomorrow. The ground will turn to mud and more leaves will litter the Slick Street but the pines the laurels and whatever else has held onto its green. We'll look happy come morning. Well rested my son's Piano Teacher told me the other day that worrying helps nothing nothing. Does she know me already that well or was she talking. Perhaps to herself there's time to resolve wants more about what to become when I feel the urge to cower I want instead to choose to rejoice when I feel pitiful pointless lost and afraid. I want to remember tonight's rain racing from however far are it's traveled to reach my house hurling itself onto my roof calling to me at the top of its voice. Today's poem is listen by Barbara. croker its message of calm and gratitude is one. I want to learn to offer offer myself especially on days when peace feels far away. Are there people out. There who live always without doc gratitude that sense of the world with its simple gifts being all the plenty they seek. I'd like to be one of them for more than just an hour at a time. Can I get there by resolve by practice by force. Maybe they are are simply people like me who have perfected the work of trying who've learned to hang on a little longer each day to the thrill of Waking King. Worrying helps nothing. The rain falls then as a matter. Of course it leaps back into the sky listen by Barbara Crooked. I want to tell you something something. This morning is bright after all the steady rain and every iris peony rose opens opens. It's mouth rejoicing. I want to say wake up. Open your eyes. There's a snow covered road ahead a field of blackness a sheet of paper an empty screen even the smallest insects are singing vibrating reading their entire bodies. Tiny violins of longing and desire. We were made for song. I can't tell you what prayer is but I can take the breath of the meadow into my mouth and I can release it for the leaves Green. It need. I want to tell you. Your Life is a blue col- a slice of orange in the mouth cut hay in the nostrils. The cardinals red song dances in your blood. Look every month the the moon blossoms into a peony then shrinks to a sliver of garlic and then it blooms again. The slowdown is a production of American public media in partnership with the Poetry Foundation. Together Paul home delivered to you daily. Go to slow down show dot O._R._G.. And sign up for our newsletter.

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Delivering a Superior Product and Experience Means Never Compromising with Amanda Kroeker

The Exsellence Mindset Podcast

48:23 min | 2 years ago

Delivering a Superior Product and Experience Means Never Compromising with Amanda Kroeker

"Are you looking to pursue excellence and take your success to the next level? You're lowering place. Welcome to Sahlins mindset with your host, Brian James Miller. All right, everybody. Welcome to another episode of the excellence mindset podcast as always thank you so much for sharing some time with me today. And I am looking forward to the guest that I have with me on the other end of the line. She is a dialing in from the great state of Texas, and I have become a passionate and very vocally happy customer of her product and her business. And so I'm excited to dig a little bit into that today and see where else a conversation takes us. And so that person is Amanda Croker, and she is the founder of valley vintage, soap, so Amanda, thanks so much. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to to dig a little bit into the business and the yeah, just kind of passion behind it. I I know there's some other areas of life that you're pretty passionate about and so hopefully, we can get into some of that today too. But wanting to start off and just give the audience a little bit of an idea of who you are. And what you're all about. Awesome. Well, like you said, I'm Amanda Croker. I am the owner and founder of valley vintage soap company, and that all originally started. Because I couldn't get my own skin under control everything was breaking me out. So I already made handmade almost everything cleaning supplies and things like that. So I thought I'm just going to do my own skin care, and it worked it cleared my skin up and it worked, and I it was consistent for awhile. My friends liked it. And I wasn't actually intending on turning it into a business. I was just wanting to give things to my friends, but there was a job change in our family. So it was necessary for me to make a little bit of money. And that's where we went with it as we just pushed it into a business, and it's been profitable now for the past almost six years. It'll be six years in March. But it is still just a part time thing for me. I have one independent contractor who helps me out, and I get volunteers from our home school group. To help me out. So homeschool is my my main gig. But this is it's becoming a little more fulltime than it used to be my son's thirteen now. So he's a little more independent as far as. I can more teach them and then give them assignments to go. So I get to spend more time making this it started with just a couple of different so bars. And now we make beard bombs and beard oils, which are the products that you like to have. And we've got body butters scrubbed all kinds of things I add a lot of things all the time and different sense of things. So it's it's gerwin which is good. You're also, well, we'll end up jumping all around here. I'm sure about. Yeah. I mean, you know, as I kind of alluded to a little bit in the intro. And then as you said, you know, I I was referred to you guys by just an acquaintance on social media, which is kind of where everything happens nowadays. But, but I was I was hesitant in the sense of, you know, here I was I was going to go online, and I was gonna buy a product which is already a challenge in and I don't want this to come across bad. But like, you know, nowadays when I buy online, I try I try and do my best like I'm an Amazon addict, which is not great for small business. I guess but. I am because it's just very consistent. I can get my stuff in two days, you know, sometimes a day sometimes even the same day. And so the thought of buying something online outside of that domain already was kind of a challenge. And then to you know, definitely was he he highly referred you. But it was nothing that I really knew about had no idea. What I was gonna get. I'm like, okay, fine. I might as well give it a shot. And I mean, I was like productwise right away. I was I was so just I was so happy. I love the smell by the way like props to orange pine scotch like that is the jam the most popular win. Everyone's like it is. And then you know, what? No now, I just I tried that eucalyptus that one right? Like, isn't there a eucalyptus this guy and Scott? So I just switched out the orange for the Gupta's. There you go into that one. Like, my nostrils I feel so good all the time 'cause I'd like smell my own beard. And so and so I liked the product right away. So I was like, okay. You know, I I'm a customer. But what I was. So appreciative of was there were a couple of times along the way where the first time. I'd I don't I I may I may be said, thank you. But you went out of your way to to include something else into into one of the into one of the packages like a something that was new or actually I think you respondents at, hey, why don't you try this? And so I was really pumped that you took it upon yourself to you know, to to try and kind of go the extra mile, and so that was great. But then all the way I look all the way forward to just recently, which was kind of what got us into this conversation. I mean, your customer service, particularly as what I'm imagining is obviously you're a small business. It's yourself and one other person from time. Time to to to just get by is challenging enough. But to let go to that extra degree is just what blew me away. And so what is it that that really drives you to want to go the extra mile, and maybe there's a better way to say that. But like why do you do that? Well, I mean, first of all there's the the old saying customer's, always right? So you want to keep them pleased. Even if they're not coming to you with a complaint or with even a compliment like you wanna make sure you keep that communication open. The you wanna keep them understanding that you're making new things they might not know about yet, and they should try. I truly believe that with all the time and effort that I put into formulating every recipe that I have it's hard to know if you like it or not after I put all that time into it. If you don't even know it exists. So I try to put out the new products and things like that or even samples of some really popular things and. I just really want. My customers to understand that. I hear their suggestions. I make things that they suggest as often as I can. And you know, just keep them coming back. No. I mean, a again, I mean, I was just I was so stoked and that product that that extra that you threw in and I always hate to like admit to this stuff because then people just expect that they're always going to get that. But it became something that I'm using now regularly to which was the eucalyptus roll on and had really sore golfer's elbow and partially because of playing bad golf, and because of cross and other things and for a role that thing on the inside in it, doesn't it? It's made my elbow, obviously, not didn't like disappear. But it definitely sues a lot of that soreness. So thank you. It was awesome here. I'm glad it's let it for you. Yeah. No. I I've been pumped by so. Okay. So you said that you know, when you started the business that it was a out of a personal need, which has a lot of times a lot of the ways that people solve a problem. Right. Like their own problem. They they they have a problem. There's nothing to fix it. And so they go and do it themselves. But but then you decided to start a business, and I understand that. There was some financial, you know, sounds like there was some financial need there. But like what what was what's inside you to drive you to even like think like, okay, I can make a business out of this. Because did you did you own a business prior to that? Or was there any previous history to like, I I've done this myself. I had never owned a business before I actually hadn't worked in a long time. I was an insurance agent a time ago right out of high school. I got my my insurance license in just did that for a couple of years. And then I was a stay at home. And after I got married. It was a stay at home. Mom, and. My husband lost his job. So it actually had been several years since I had even worked. So I started applying for jobs with you know, all the way from cashier that I thought I could get without having a degree and all the way to entrance agent again trying to get my license back with that. But you probably know the town that I live in because it's on the news right now, I live in McGowan Texas on the border, and I can't get a job to save my life because I don't speak Spanish. So I have like I can sell you a bar, soap and Spanish almost. But. You're getting there. I'm getting there. I'm trying to learn as quick as I can. But I couldn't I couldn't find a job. I applied probably fifteen places a day. Who was also a time where the economy wasn't that. Great anyway. And so it was everyone would just encourage me to sell what I already do. And they had already been I've been giving it away as gift to most of my friends, but they would, you know, tip me sometimes or I guess pay me for the work that I did as a gift. So it wasn't really a had sale prices or anything like that. But just started calculating the prices out and selling it got into a farmer's market. And it just took off from there the farmers market. I originally started being a part of was excellent marketing so that really helped to to give me a boost there at the beginning. So okay, I'm already rewinding. So I I heard you say something, which is is a personal frustration of mine. And so I, and it's you you decide that you're going to stay at home. You're gonna work at home take care of a child and you're going to school. And so you are in many ways running a business, right? Like there's so much of of what you do that translates directly into business. And yet, I think so many businesses are blind to that fact. I mean, I I shared with you off line that I just recently had a a dear friend on the podcast, and we talk a lot about the fact that there's just as much value and validity to the mom at home. As there is to the mom in the workplace, or the, you know, the the person at home and the person in the workplace, and I remember my wife. Life when she was trying to go back to work that she ran into the same problem. She had been out for about three years and nobody wanted to give her a job because she had nothing on her resume for three years. And it was just so frustrating to me because it just completely invalidated all of the work that she had done to to essentially do the same thing that she would have done in an organization. So like that that just that just seems to be a poor way. For a lot of people will look at things, right? Like, I mean, just that's that's got to be frustrating. Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's less of a problem now than it has been in years past. I think people are more understanding, especially if you're going into a field like childcare that kind of transfers over but going back into like a corporate or business world. Yeah. There's definitely some some pushback. But I do think it's on the on the upside now. Okay. So what were some some early a goals desires that you had? When you started the business. So you went from like, I just wanna make my own product to to fix my problem to now some of my friends are having problems I'm sharing with them. Then you start to kinda step into the the farmer's market environment. And so what were some of the what were some of the things that really okay now, I have a business. So he I kind of want to accomplish this like wore those were there some things early on that you were looking forward to. Well, I need step one pay the bills. I think. I think mostly. Yeah. Exactly. Well, why would we do anything? But it's a that. I think goals at the beginning. I was really bad at setting. I didn't really I guess nowhere. I wanted to go yet. But I did know of the values. I wanted to keep I wanted everything to be all natural. I didn't wanna compromise on synthetic fragrances colorants anything like that. So I wanted to maintain value in the ingredients that I used and I knew that never ever wanted to change that I still haven't changed that. So I guess I was more picky about an stubborn about the quality. I was putting out there than looking forward to future goals at the very beginning. I think now I have more of a tendency to set goals that are better in and more focused. You know, they're they go anywhere from simple as what are the holidays. Coming up this year win. Jordana start making things to get him ready for that day all the way to sales goes goals. Like, I did this market for the last four years. What have I made I wanna make this much this year? This is my goal, and how am I going to get to that level? So I'm better at setting goals now than I was at first at first, it was just values remain didn't know where I was going to expect. Which is so important, right? Because a lot of people just they jump right in with a whole bunch of goals in us. So at least you started on the on the right side of things. Yeah. I hope so. And so who or what was speaking into helping drive that goal creation? I mean with that just all kind of your own desire, your own brain, or were there people or resources books other things that that were kind of helping you start to shape and craft where you were going to go as the business was getting off the ground or getting going so many things influenced me, I when I get passionate about something. That's kind of all I read all they talk about all I listen to all I watch. So I watched a watched in read a lot of videos and articles from people who had been in this business for a while or had known a lot more than I do. I picked brains of entrepreneurs down here and really tried to figure out. What were they doing that successful in this economy in this location, because it's a lot different than than other places? And really, I just I talked to anybody who would. Listen and ask questions to anybody who might have had good advice. And and just read everything. So I it's hard to pick out one particular influence, but I just I just gathered everything and then weeded through it. And so you're six years in and so at this point, do you feel like do you do you feel like you're successful? Now, it kind of depends on how you defined defined success. If you if you mean, do I make a whole bunch of money. No, not that. But I do feel successful in that. I haven't compromised on the values, and I've stuck by what I meant to do. And. And I really just love the customer feedback to in because of that feedback that ninety five percent of the time. It's good. I feel successful. Because of that. I've I've helped people I think I actually posted in the last couple of weeks on my on my social media that I kept getting the same comment all day at a market your soap saved my face people kept saying that your soap saved my face. And that makes me feel like I am successful because people struggle with things like that for years, they try to cover it up or they don't want to be in pictures and to change somebody's way that they they present themselves and they become more confident because they feel better about their face. That is a successful feeling to me. Yeah. I mean, I really appreciate that that that is your key indicator of success. That's hard, right? That that's that's a hard balance to keep a, particularly when you when you need the income and not that you absolutely. I I know I didn't hear you say that you just discard that the desire to earn money. Right. Like you need to do that. But but but it's hard to hold values. When when when you're getting a business off the ground, and when you're building a business, and I'm sure in some sense, even though you're six years in you've figured a lot out. And again, like, I mean, I I think you deliver a superior product to anything else I've seen, but I'm sure that you still feel in some ways, you're still learning and growing, and we probably always will. But it just so as you have tried to do your best always hold onto your values. Has there been things along the way that? That have really challenged that like are there things that that get really hard to like, we're really causes you to question like, oh my gosh. Like do a half to change. What I think here or have you have you felt any of that tension as you've continued to grow L. Definitely there's there's been a couple of times where I almost wanted to compromise because I see some other soap makers out there making these designs that are just so intricate, and I I love them in their all these bright, colors and stuff. But to do that you have to add things that I won't add or like bacon scented things. I get that question. All the time. Can you make? Bob, and I was I actually made a beard bomb with bacon. Grease wants to try to make smell like bacon, but use actual bacon products like for my coffee beard bomb. I use real coffee for my pipe tobacco beard by my use real pipe tobacco. So I was like, maybe if I use real bacon, and you know, what bacon grease does not smell like anything. It doesn't smell it smells like nothing. So that didn't work out. I could buy a bacon fragrance oil. But I just won't do that. Because I don't know what it's made from. It's it's certainly not made from pigs. So. Run. Yeah. It's definitely been a challenge at times where where I kinda wanna be tempted to. Do something else. But you know, two main reasons keep me from that one. I said I wouldn't do that it wouldn't compromise my values and and to I'm allergic to fragrance oils. So the probably wouldn't be a good idea of Rita work with them. So are are are you always kind of like the test case? Do you? Always try stuff on yourself before. You you introduce it to the market. Absolutely. I always tested on myself and my family my my poor getting fix. But I also have a lot of friends who volunteer. I think they do it because they want the free product. But. There to to test it out, and I try to give it a certain amount of time. So it's not just there. I use. But after they've been using it for a little while and make sure that that it's good. If I'm making just a new sense of something I don't typically test out a whole lot because the the formulas still the same. It's just different sent. But brand new product. I definitely get that out there and have my friends and family test it in starting with myself. Always in case, there's some sort of reaction with me if I have a reaction to it. Everyone else would probably have a reaction to it. So. Like what other? Maybe it's the one that. I'm thinking of only because I saw it on social media about what what are some of the the bigger like catastrophes. If you don't mind admitting to them that you've had along the way as you're trying new things and and trying to continue to innovate. And the one I had the worst. I think it's probably just still freshman memory. 'cause I'm still embarrassed by this past summer. I started making scrubs and I wanted to poor everything into them. That was good in. It didn't come out, the consistency. I wanted. So I added an ingredient that it is a natural ingredient. It's a starch to just kinda hold everything together better. And I got my Guinea pigs all to try it out. But my mistake was I didn't let them try it out in different temperatures. So what happened is in the room temperature in the house, this scrub was perfect perfect consistency and everything. But as soon as I took it to markets, or it was out, you know, at a certain temperature down here. It gets like one hundred ten hundred fifteen in the summer. So if it got really hot what happened is it would become like a gelatin like it, would it wouldn't come apart from each other. It would be like it would come into this. The ball. And I had sold cases of these things by the time. I realized and so I was like there's no possible way. I can remember every every contact if they ordered online I had their information I could Email them and give them a refund. But if they bought from me at a market, there's nothing I could do except for just put all over my social media that I made a mistake, and please contact me and. Let me let me switch it out. Now that I fixed the recipe, and or let me give you a refund that was that was pretty rough to go public like that. And and said of just having people to Email and deal with it one on one. So that was definitely a big regret. I wish I now I test things in all kinds of temperatures. So I learned from the. Okay. So so even in that. So we were talking about values earlier. I mean there had to be this moment of like, I this is going to devastate me. Like if I take back all that product like I'm just going to be destroyed. And so like, I mean, you had you had to question that right? Like do. I am I really going to admit that I need to take all this product back. Yes, I go through that. So nervous about it. I I don't think I could have lived with myself if I didn't try to fix that. I it's it's just not inmates to to just try to deceive people or or not admit to it. So I one of my friends a close friend of mine actually is one of the ones who had bought the product that was bad. So I gave him the whole spiel about this is what happened in let me change out for you. And because they're my friend. I also added another message like do you think this is going to ruin me? And they responded they said because you admitted it openly, but you'll get more sales. Because now people know who you are in that you're going to admit when you're wrong and gave me a big piece, and he wasn't the only customer to say that I had other customers saying, actually, no, please don't I don't eat a refund. Don't switch it out. I'll just buy some more later on. And they did. So I really honestly have the best customers because everyone was understanding. And I'm sure my competition out. There was like sweet she missed but response from my customers in in even people that bought for me because they saw the kind of customer service. I have that didn't buy for me before. I think that I actually came out ahead. Oh when all said and done. You know, it's interesting, you know, as you bring up that story. So I read this book just recently called the culture code by Daniel Coyle. He's written the habit code the culture code a couple of other ones. And so he tells this story of Johnson and Johnson, and I don't remember when it was a wanna say it was in the seventies mid seventies or something like that. But they they had always been an organization that was like we are here I serve our customer, which they believed were like the families that were taking their products. They were the doctors they were the nurses. They were the patience and and then in the mid seventies. There was a report of a poisoning that was happening in some Tylenol products. And so in this book, they they go through, and they tell this story kind of briefly, but they tell the story of like they all come together for like. This, you know, meeting of the minds with all the stakeholders in the organization, and they're like, you know, what do we do like if we if we had mitt to this? We're gonna have to recall every single Tylenol product on the market in the entire country, and it was going to be to the tune of like a hundred million dollars and ever in. So many people were telling them don't do it. Don't do it. You know, if if you do this it's going to devastate not just revenue right in the moment, which one hundred million bucks. I don't care. How big you are that's devastating. But then like it's going to it's going to ruin your name moving forward. And he's like it doesn't matter like we have to abide by by what we do. And they were even going against like the FBI the FDA which were all involved, and they were telling them like, you know, what you don't need to to recall everything just be particular do some investigation. And he's like, no we need to take it all back. They took over thirty million pills. Back into stock cost him over a hundred million dollars. And it turned out to. Be a huge turning point the organization where they went from being like this company that sells pharmaceutical products and other things too. I think he said something like a public safety organization like the country viewed them as looking out for their best interest. And they had a whole new belief from their customers into who they were because of the way they behaved. I'll that's a whole lot bigger of an issue than I was playing with it seems like, you know, the same thing turning. To your customers in showing who you are. Yeah. And I and and I shared that story. Like, obviously just rattled as you were saying that. But I think it's important because when when we think of business, and we think of running a business, and so when we look at a large organization like that. And we're like, okay. Well, they're like, you know, multi-billion dollar organizations one hundred million bucks. That's a lot of money. But it's not that big of a deal. And so that's okay. If they do things like that. But in the small business environment like for you to have to recall or or even admit to the potential problem. Right. And then and then potentially recall or bring back all this merchandise like that will actually potentially devastate you more, right? Because like that hits your household like that's just a direct impact on you. Your husband and your son. And so there's a lot more question to do that. I think in the small business environment and on top of that like, you don't have to deal with PR and the FDA and like all these things so you could have easily hit that. But instead you. Decided to put your values. I which you said from the beginning of our conversation was so important. And so I just think that it's extremely telling of who you are as an individual. And then who you are as an organization as a business. And so I think that's that's that's a lot bigger than we probably than you probably want to give yourself credit for. I mean, I think there's a lot of kudos to that. Because I don't think that most small businesses would do that. Thank you so much that means that means a lot. Yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. So so definitely you had some challenges along the way. What are you most proud of like as you look at your business today? What what is what is it that you what is it that you look at? And you're like, yeah. Like, I just I'm so I'm so proud of this. I am really proud of my soap recipe to be honest. I had a lot of failed ones whenever I first started out anti formulated, everything myself and came out with one that I get the comment all the time. I can't believe you're Handmaid's soap last so long. I don't know if you've tried other him soap bars before, but they tend to melt very quickly and mine hasn't seemed to do that. So I'm really proud of something like that that it's not going to be a something that somebody spends money on in than it melts in the shower tomorrow. And it's something that's good for you. And it's a craft that really has to be practiced that, you know, a lot of people can just go out and make central oils and stuff, but this is a process that is having to be perfected. And I'm still perfecting things in probably still always will. But I'm just really proud of of that particular product. That's awesome. And I love that you said that you're proud of the product, but you are continually working on it. I think that that is again in a lot of ways telling of who you are. But it's something that as people are listening. I think that's a really important thing to let soak in for a minute because whether it's a business or an individual employees performing an organization like so many people we get to this level of success. Right. And we've already talked about we can define that. However, we want, but we get to this level of success. And then we're good, right? Like, we're we we almost just kind of maintain. It's like if it's not broken, don't fix it. But I like that you're you're wanting to continue to innovate and and and in in improve. And so I I think that's that's fantastic. And I really hope people here that and are able to somehow apply that to to there. Our own life. You know? So I think that's fantastic. Thanks. Yeah. I think I'm just like that anyway, 'cause I get bored. With missing with my recipes. So so maybe we thank God for the fact that that you are easily bored. And that is producing a product. There's something to it. That's awesome. Okay. So so how does I mean, I can only imagine as we're talking, but I'll let you articulated. So how does business your business and your personal life? Like, how do you balance those things how do they interact like is? You know is everybody all hands on deck in the house to like, how do those things work together for you? Well, my husband, and I definitely believe in roles that we lead kind of. So we're not all going to pour into the soap business, we're not all going to pour into whatever else is going into each detail of the house. We're going to split it up a little bit. So really, I'm I'm the only one doing the soap stuff on a daily basis other than the help that I get once in a while. I recruit our home school girls every once in a while for labeling and things like that. So give some volunteers and pay them in in product, which is always fun. So they can come in and help me, and I have the one the one contractor who covers market. For me, your hopes, we do some things around here, and my son will help he'll he'll carry things. He won't help me mix or make anything, but he'll help me carry ping. And so I kind of have my own space in the house for that. So that's divided from the rest that way, it's because my home and my husband, and my son, and my my main priority, not my business. I like to have a space that I can walk out of and I'm not in my business anymore. I am in my family's don't. So. But really how I balance on a day-to-day basis is schedule. I've gotta have a schedule at it's always we all wake up we all do our bible time separately in the morning. And then my husband will get ready and go to work while I am getting a smoothie and working out and my son's doing chores. And as soon as all that's done. We sit down for homeschool. I give him all his assignments sent him off to complete those and I get to work in my soap, crafting room. So and then just quit and make dinner, I leave the room in its put the business behind me. Sometimes I keep talking about it because it's fresh in my head. But I know that's annoying. So my husband, so. Trying to keep that to a minimum. But I really just have to keep it separate if it was not in my home. I would be going off to an office somewhere. I could leave it there. So it's a little harder to do whenever it's same location. But just really think the balance comes down to making a separate time schedule and a separate area for things like that. And then are you because I I know you work the weekends too. Because that's when you're out at the farmer's market to see posted on social media, and you're doing that on the weekends. And so do you do you kind of look out ahead of time and determine okay Caesar the Saturdays and Sundays or whatever are these the weekends? And I'm gonna work and then other ones we're gonna protect or do you just kind of a take them as they come. How how do you? How do you kinda laid out schedule out to make sure you're still protecting or or dividing that time appropriately? I don't do any markets on Sundays except for once a month. And it's after church, so I make sure that that church time has always protected and most Sundays three out of the four Sundays of the month. I don't have anything on Sunday afternoons. I don't usually have anything on Saturday afternoons because the farmers markets are in the morning. And so I try to keep the at least the afternoon portions of my weekend free. If I know it's going to be a profitable, Mark profitable market. I will go. But if it's going to be one that I'm not sure about rights. I'm just going to be standing around waiting for people to show up. Then I I'm not going to sign up for those after I've done one of them. And I know that's how it is. I won't do it again. So I have regular ones on Wednesdays. But really, I just make sure we have our evenings. We always do family dinner. We my son still has a bedtime even though he's thirteen. And so my husband, and I have a couple of hours before we go to bed we can just have some time together. So we make sure to prioritize debt as easy to lose that especially when you're running around with the kids or your, you know, busy with other things that people do in the evenings. I don't know. What people do they have lives in the evening. Really try to protect whatever time we do have together. We try to make sure that prioritized. That's fantastic. So as you as you think from now this point, and you think I don't know five six years out. What what are you hopeful for to see next like what what are what are what some of the vision of the future? What what are you hoping to kind of add to or grow in like, do you think about that? Actually this year is probably going to be the most changes. That we've had yet because my husband, and I are in the process of of adopting a baby we are still not chosen yet by birth mother. We're waiting for that part. The it's been almost a year. A year was the average wait time or agency told us so that's going to change the way that we do things quite a bit. And I'm still trying to figure out how that looks right now. My goal is to get my my search engine optimization on point stow. My online sales can be higher trying to get more wholesale places. We have about twelve local stores right now that carry our products. So I am trying to push those a lot more and make sure that those sales are significant and maybe even get some more. And then just hire someone out for the markets all the time because I'm going to have to be home a lot more and I need to make. Sure that I can keep everything going on a really wanted keep it going with the momentum that I have. But I I'm also going to have to you know, I'll have a newborn so that'll change their quite a bit the hard part with that is there's not a timeframe we don't know exactly when that's going to happen. So I'm just trying to put everything in place right now that everything can still keep on rolling whenever that comes. So that's going to be a big big change for this year. You know, five ten years out. I hope I'm still. Do in halted. I'm like, I can't see beyond this. Nineteen exactly. Oh, man. Well, that's exciting. Incorrect. Congratulations. I mean that that's just such an amazing endeavor to to step into. And I'm sure that's been a long process of thought and prayer and consideration. And so it's it's not been taken lightly. And again, I mean, that's just, you know, far far outweighs the the importance to anything we can do in a business environment. And at the same time, you got to keep the business going so you can see can fund so they can fund a fourth mouth to feed. So so so wholesale. So what what types of businesses typically would resell a product like yours, I have several salons that that cell just like the beard in Harris stuff. They don't typically carry everything 'cause they wanna gear more towards the beard in hair things. I have a just a couple of locations that are like a kind of a mix and match of different things where you run to boost and you restock it. I only have to places like that. We're actually rent out a space. So they're just kind of a mix match of everything I have a detox studio the carries my my products because they're all leaning towards the natural. Method and mindset so they're wanting to detox their their bodies, though, I'm helping them out with their skin. So they have a lot of things at places like that. And just some strange local businesses that you wouldn't think would have my products. There's two cigar stores that sell my my product. Well, after I made it a pipe tobacco. When they're like, oh, I want that one. So I do still a scar stores and at a bookstore local bookstore. So. All kinds of things. Oh. I think that like this is going to sound terrible. But like any or the hipsters hang out? Exactly, Mike, Mike, boaty coffeeshops places like that. All they do once once they get once once I get one sniff, and then they just roll that in their hands and put it on their in. And they put it on their face. It's over like, they're they're just going to be sold. Well, you know, it's funny for me. Like one thing that's been a big benefit to me in using it is so I use it every morning after a sharp forehead out after like, a workout and so after a workout so I crossed it. And so that's a lot of time with my hands on a bar bell or on a pull up bar rings. And so they get really torn up and try and keep them reasonably smooth. You know, just because you know, I don't wanna be shaking hands with like daggers or something like that. And and yet it you gotta be really careful about what you put on your hands. Because if they soften up too much, and then just gonna get shredded the next time, you do one of those things, and so I stopped using any kind of. Ocean or anything because it was just it was getting really bad and yet ever since I've been using the Beerbaum because I put it completely in my hands. I before he put it on my beard. It's become kind of like that natural restorative a thing for my hands. And so I mean, whether or not it was supposed to be that way. Like it's worked out really good for me. And so I tell people all the time. I'm like your just like get some beard ball on your hands. It works. So good. Yeah. I actually suggest that all the time. I usually have a testing station when I do the market. So the guys will come try out the beard bomb, and then I have a station where you can wash your hands with my soap as well. So they always go to wash their hands after they've put their veered bomb on. And I'm like, no no rub. It in. It's it's gonna make your hands softer. And they're like, okay. But yeah, it's it's funny that you say that I'm a part of a group on Facebook. That is all about powerlifting. Really? I was a gymnast for twelve years of Naidoo. Powerlifting. Now. So I understand what you're talking about with the hands being like that. So their combination. This group loves the best is the pumice soap that I make because it scrubs it all smooth, and then they'd buy lip balm. It's easy to carry around. And they just rub it on especially if you ever get a rip on your hand just put that lip balm on and it really helped four good. It you to sold me onto new products. And don't forget when we get off this podcast. I'm going to put those things in an order. I both of those. That's so I didn't even think about the Limbaugh. That's an awesome way to select keep a little bit of touch up on the hands. Yeah. Definitely. Oh, gosh. You're a genius that you're selling me. And you're not even trying to. Yep. Well, I I got a wreck the recommendations whenever you talk about lifting. Okay. So. Yeah. I mean, I can't let that one go, and we're we're starting to wind down a little bit here. But you just said that you used to be a gymnast, which I am just so intrigued by because every time I like trying to walk on my hands, which I I'm getting okay out or like a in cross it would you ring muscle ups or bar muscle ups. And I know they're really not called that in gymnastics. But you know, I'm like gosh. I wish I would have had a gymnastics background because you know, like when you're a young boy growing up like most most boys get made fun of her doing gymnastics. And now, I think that like every boy should be required to do it because a build such amazing strength. But now you're in powerlifting. So how the heck did you get into that boy actually started with cross fit because it's the closest thing to gymnastics that my body is able to do, and I don't have the flexibility that I had at one point in time sided cross fit for a while. That I really enjoyed the strong heavy lifts part of it more than the cardio part of it. So I just started pouring more into that actually tried to do Olympic lifting. I which I was just horrible for my joints. I kept spraining things. So I was like, you know, let's do something with a little less risk bending and a little more strength. So I've been doing actually haven't competed yet my competition. I competition is going to be on my birthday this year November. So I'm trying to train for that. But yeah, I just love it. I'd like feeling strong in. I'm way a little more than I want to. But that's what powerlifting comes with. Because you don't have the cardio. Yeah. But I mean, I in so many ways, I mean, you just burn so much better. When you when you are lifting weights versus like, you know, people think that you just go run around a bunch of years going to lose weight. And yeah, I'm not going to say the word I want to say because people take offense to it. But you end up like looking thin, but being out of shape, whereas like, you know, when when you're lifting you're building muscle. And you know, you're burning fat at the same time. So I I actually think it's a really good thing. And I wish more people would do it. Especially more women. Right. There's always that fear of like, I'm going to get shredded. And if it was only that easy, I could do a whole podcast on that. And so when you're when you're competing, so so people know just in case there's like, oh, so what does powerlifting. So that's that's dead lift that's bench press, and what's the third one splat squat? That's right, man. That's pretty gangster right there. I mean, that's that's no like dainty thing to to to get involved in. And I know it's weight class and everything, but that's still I mean, that's that's some pretty that's a lot of work in pretty hefty weight that you're pulling around. Yeah. It's just it's a lot of fun though. I'm it's my favorite thing. I've done so far for exercise. Other than if I was able to still do that would do that. Yeah. That's a whole 'nother level of commitment. Right. Yes. Definitely. Okay. Amanda. So your business goes away today. What happens tomorrow like what would you do if you couldn't do soap anymore? I think I would just. Pour myself in a home schooling a little more. I honestly don't see myself working outside the home as long as I have kids in the home. So I'd probably just really pour it in home schooling, volunteer with our group a little more where a part of a group with about one hundred eleven families that are all homeschooling as well. So I would probably just just pour myself into that. That's a good thing for people to hear. It's like soap beard bomb beard oil or nothing. That's how committed you are. Well, I mean again, like, I just I I appreciate you so much. I appreciate the business. I think that it's great that I got to become a customer a well before we have a conversation like this because it's easy for someone to sit on the other side and just sell themselves on how great they are. And I get the feeling that you're not that way. Anyway, but but I have appreciated so much just the product the service the interaction. I mean, I I've tried to do the best I can to evangelize the product in the past. But I think after today and and hearing some other potential uses out there to do a better job of that. Also, so people if you're listening now, a just know that I am going to buy some additional product. And we're going to do some giveaways surrounding this episode so probably either leading right up to it. So you'll see that on social media after or before you've heard this. And then we'll do some things apps. Afterwards because I just believe that we should be supporting businesses that that hold so deeply to values. And then when the product works as good as it is. There's just no reason around it. So thank you. Amanda so much for your product for your business for your time today. I just I I do I appreciate you a lot. Thank you so much. It's been awesome. Having you as a customer in getting to this podcast and just for everyone. Who's listening to know our website is valley vintage soap dot com, and you can also look valley vintage soap on Instagram and Facebook and follow us on there. Yes. And I will make sure to include those three things as well. As some contact information for Amanda in the show notes in the event that anybody wants to reach out to her directly. I'm sure she will welcome that from you. So. Yeah, again, just thanks, really. Appreciate your time. Thank you so much. All right, guys. Well, that wraps up another episode of the excellence mindset podcast if you love what you heard today. I encourage you as I have throughout the entire episode to reach out to Amanda directly to follow valley vintage soap to try their products. 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23 September, 2020  Episode 792  Where is the Dark Energy?

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23 September, 2020 Episode 792 Where is the Dark Energy?

"Is Twists this week in science episode number. Seven hundred ninety two recorded on Wednesday September twenty third twenty twenty. Wear is the dark energy everyone I'm Dr Kiki, and tonight we will fill your brains with friends, zones, old sperm, and more brains. Thanks to the Burroughs Wellcome Fund and our patriots sponsors for their generous support of twists. You can become a part of the Patriot community patriarch dot com slash this week in science. squareness disclaimer science. It's the reason for the modern world. Why medicine is a thing out technology came to exist. It's a great collection of facts that have given humanity access to reliable knowledge reliable because it's Dr rationally based on evidence and experimentation take the evidence of facts collected by thousands of scientists using scientific method on the subject of global warming. 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There's only one place. Of Knowledge. South. Aunts Kiki in Blair and a good science to you to Justin Blair and everyone out there. Welcome to another episode of this week in science we are back again. With all science that we fell in love with this last week that we just want to talk about because you know that is what we do and we have got so much more as well in store. I have. Great stories tonight, some really exciting stories I am excited about him microbial baby brains. Wobbly rings. And Arsenic because you know. Like arsenic is great. Just. Nice alternative and we have a guest here tonight Dr Kevin Croker and he's GonNa talk to us about dark energy and those g odes that we were. So intrigued by several weeks back. Yes. All Right Justin. What are you have I've got cova cats why Chicago's racist even after You die and asteroid heading for the earth. Also heading heading toward the earth. heading. Towards. I Love I love your. I love this anchor ship of ruining the teaser. Sorry I. Like Heading. The other I. was like, no, no, no. Listening politics the headlines and then turn off the PODCAST WE WANNA make sure. But I did have did the microbial baby brain story that you're bringing also as as I was going to throw that into the mix I can't wait to hear this one 'cause I just saw and I was like Oh this has to be on the show I. Love You bring I can't wait to hear though exciting it's. Yeah it's an animal corner. I brought really old spurt like really old sperm I brought Madison's in the friend zone and also stranger danger. So He. Could be. One Related. See can't be. Maybe, not hopefully not but as we jump into the podcast tonight, I would like to remind all of you that if you are not yet subscribed to this week in science, you can find us just about any place podcasts around and you can find us on Youtube and facebook and twitter which look for this week in science. Now, it's time for the science are right. I story at the head of our list. Wildly, rings do you guys remember that picture of a black hole that we were gifted with last year? No. You of data from several previous observations of that same black hole. That's at the center of Galaxy m eighty seven and a little leg Ju Jing using math and computer. They've made a movie they made a movie of the black hole. Now, it is not just a picture it's actually several images. It's like a Gif of a black hole and in looking at this beautyrest gift of. Of GIF GIF Gut. Looking at it, it's very obvious that the accretion disk of material that is around the black hole. Moves that the gravity of the black hole and the forces that are at work at play. Make it so that it's not just a static object. You can actually see that there is motion that there is energetic change over time and as as a sequence of. That take place over. About I don't know eight eight or nine years or so that they took a long time. Yes. Several years and when I say mathematics mathematical. Computer Science. Jing. Basically, they took the math, the mathematical model that they use to create. The most recent image, the most the image of the black hole, and they didn't have as many telescopes at work looking at the black hole in these previous observations and so. They took what data they had, and then they used the model of the black hole an and put it all together and so that's kind of simulated synthetic images in a sense It's real data. It's real stuff but it would not have been as pretty without the. Using. This astrophysics judging work very very advised stuff I. Don't know enough about, but I appreciate that they knew they had data from previous observations and they were able to take what we knew what we know and the stuff that that was created the programs that were created the the models that regretted and kind of work backward to give us more insight into this asked into this astronaut Michael Object. What I love about is the the that you're. You're sharing on video here. looks like an eyeball. Think of it kind of wobbly hula-hoop. It looked to me. It looks like an eyeball that's looking around and then occasionally has a light flashed in. The small and trying to figure out if it's Some sort of rotation, but it doesn't look like it. And I think that's the question whether. It's the material in the accretion ring accretion disk at the outer edge of the event horizon that it's you know it's getting energetic energized, and so this is the what we see. This is this isn't the rang it's not it's not like. It's not at the event horizon. Let somewhere somewhere in the middle thing. Powder. Kevin, you might know a little bit more about this. You're looking at some to accretion phenomenon. Here is most people are expecting to this. This is on, and so if there's whatever sitting inside this, this objects, this image. On it's sitting in the dark region. So there's something called the. Innermost, stable orbit for a photon and so if you're a particle of light and you're sort of around this thing, if you're inside that innermost stable orbit, you're probably you're not gonNa make it out unless you collide with something else. So things sort of get dark inside that region. and so that's about if I remember the number correctly I. Think it's Three Short Child Radii so you're maybe In the event horizon if there is one is sitting too short shot horizon. So the object is sitting sort of inside the. The the dark region maybe about sixty six percent ish think of the. Senate. Even further inside of the dark region. Yeah. So it's much more compact. Yeah. But it's interesting because the door creatures changing size to in these images which I find pretty interesting. So maybe even suggests that the the object is even smaller. On. The inside. So you're seeing quite a large region of the the accretion disk. Yeah. I think I mean it's just. So this is our our first imagery of as as close as we can get to a black hole something that does not emit light, and so we're looking at the light that is a rounded all the forces that are affecting it, and the fact that we've gone from just one image to now having this picture it's It's pretty profound and the fact that it's not static. The is part of the story to because there's a turbulence of some some sort taking place energies, kind of going in there that that may not have been expected in some models. So it's another paring down. Of there's models that won't fit this this discovery. Down in our understanding of hopefully, they'll be able to take more pictures next year this year, they were not able to because of covid. and. People not being able to convene in the same place and so the the measurements that had been taken historically. Were not taken again. So fingers crossed next year people will be able to get together and take more pictures and continue to monitor amity seven and other black holes that they might be looking at and give us more. More images more close ups on these. Incredibly dense interesting objects in our universe. All right. Justin. The WE'RE GONNA go from black hole wobbly rings two cats. Yeah. Okay. So back in May, there was a four year old cat. Living with the family that got affected by the COVID nineteen family got affected covid nineteen and somebody in the family died from. In House. Then, this cat started presenting a severe respiratory difficulty breathing in such, and so they took it into the veterinary hospital. This as this is still somewhat earlier in all of the pandemic. And they were like Oh this cat has died of covid earth shook from Cova announced. So so they tested this. This isn't Spain. Hospital in Barcelona, it was diagnosed with hyper trophic cardiomyopathy, which is not covid. So the cat dies because this is a horrible. Ailment. But thank God they did confirm that the cat was suffering. From, from this just hypersonic map, please hurt gets very large. Yep. Okay. The muscle builds up. Okay. So it's sort of like a chronic thing like it didn't happen acutely. It's sort of built up over time into to catch us read some critical level was like, nope, just happened to to die. After all of these events were taking place so Coincidence. However PC, our tests did confirm that the animal had been infected with the SARS Kovic too. So but but this did not show any lesions or the typical symptoms or anything of the diseases that come along with covert. The only reason they tested the cat was because of this coincidence. Otherwise wouldn't annot. serological tests on this cat and another cat that was also living in the same house showed the both cats had developed antibodies against SARS covid to. votes. In both cases, we have detected neutralizing antibodies. In other words, they have the ability to bind to the virus and block it. Explains Julio Blanco AIDS Research Institute researcher. This is important because it shows us that immune system if cats Kim deal with SARS cova to and and these specific cases protect them from developing symptoms. So now, we have two things going on now we find out. Cats can get this. And they can they haven't immunity to this as well in terms of the. Symptoms beyond. Then question is way. How did the cats get? Did the cats get it from people that they get it from the cats? Are Rushing was can catch then spread it to people. That go back and forth. World. Because they were like Oh God put on all the p. p. e. every time you go near a tiger. Right so how have this thing? Yeah. In this particular case I, guess these were very much indoor cats that didn't have access to other cats. The cat's caught it from mingling with other cats outside of how. Humans humans cat human to cat? Yes it's reverse When we get the disease from from animals with the other way, the animal caught it from. So tested the the strain of covert that these cats were positive for and it was ninety nine point nine percent similar to the virus that the owner had died from. So this was from. Human to animal transmission. So. Yeah. So given. The. Cave counselor now immune. How do we? How do we figure out how they've done it? This is something we can try to recreate humans in anyway. Given the number of people infected worldwide, and a very few reported cases of animals. Experts continue to to note that pets play a negligible role in the pretty mild SARS covered two. Cats can become very residually says infected and there's no evidence of transmission of the virus to humans although really. WHO's looking? Who's going around testing a symptomatic cats to say if they catch it and how I mean I don't think they've actually been able to cross off cat to human transmission. This is not something that has been got enough at this point. I mean just consider within household. If the cats can catch it and maybe it can go back the other direction but perhaps if they're neutralizing antibodies are strong. Then they control, you know they get infected but they control the infection fairly quickly and then. Don't really spread it. 'cause if not ones once the virus is neutralized, it's neutralized. It's not. It's not reproducing it's not potentially getting spread back. So potentially perpetuate. Julie still infected. It's just saying that they can perhaps. So a cat to cat transmission might be difficult. Here with the story. I love. Don't. Buddy. Eight. It means that we need to look at this find out of cats can transmit demons now, the thing about it is though. Cats to cap transmission cats don't seem like they. Socially distanced themselves anyway for the most part, they don't go hanging out snuggling with street. Have you watch those little videos where they attach a little? Crow to pay cat and this cat adventure and he goes around. All sorts of fun stuff. Yeah. Friends. Little cattles. Might be it might be another reason to keep your cats indoors. TOXIC PLASMA GANDHI I isn't enough just. Birds and lizards. Frogs. Yeah. there. Is something to the to the story we've heard about cats being able to catch coverted. Yes. The three groups of animals that at least as far as I know you know animal people are worried about right now besides bats and penguins of course is cats Moose, Stella Ferrets and And ALL OF A. Boar pig. That whole family. There is there is there is a report out of the Netherlands of a farmer who they believe became infected through minks. We still, Yep Nostalgia. Yep. They're more worried about the mustache farms themselves because those are moneymakers it's Farming. So it's not necessarily mixer vectors, the actually become ill and. Yet they become ill and they die and so if you have a mink farm that you're using the mink for for or whatever if the mink die off, then that's that's financial loss. So. Yes. But guess, there's the question. Blair has Romi about your sperm no. Yes. So Queen Mary. University of London and the Chinese Academy of Science and Non Jiang is an international collaboration and found the world's oldest sperm singular sperm like. Like, like a group whatever the collective noun for spur kind. Of and this was found in a piece of amber. which had a which was from the Cretaceous period which had. Trustees. Talking really old named Myanmar Cyprus who he and Previously. The oldest known examples of sperm we have found have been seventeen million years old. But this is looking to be. Hundreds of meal millions of years old about one, hundred, million years old this. This is old sperm. So fossilized sperm is so rare. Partially because it just it doesn't stay. Something that that is easily preserved. So actually looks like. The individuals in question had just. copulated, and so it was very fresh and then what happened. Big thing a sap land I guess. Yeah. These tunnel. Outwards millimeter long. These things crustaceans yes. So we're at the sad cons there underwater. A branch I don't know. Great Honestly. They were probably out of water for. foraging or something You know thinking about hermit crabs, crustaceans do spend time out on land. So that would. Yeah that they climbed a tree that was near a water source to eat leaves or something I don't remember out of Ocean one day. Thing and People. So This is my the last little twist of the story that I absolutely love is so oldest sperm. Crustacean one millimeter long. Giants firm so. There's implications here because a giant sperm, the other animals we've talked about giants. Furman are things like brew flies. So most animals including humans produce tens of millions of firm teeny titles firm in huge quantities they're playing the numbers game, but through flies and crustaceans like these are famous for making large sperm giant sperm to compete with one another inside of the female. So it's all about the strength, not the quantity no, you're saying large absence of. Urge sperm tiny still very tight. Meet Up. But just compared to ours sperm. Really big. and. So Y- these guys are only a millimeter big. So they're still teeny teeny tiny still need a microscope to see them and. They. 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There was an article recently about they were calling it a blood amber similar because the amber is they're using human labor that is not compensated and a similar to the idea of blood diamonds But blood amber is a big field and the amber very often is is is scientifically interesting and so there are potential ethical landmines. That are that are involved in using things like that So I did a quick Google and just let everyone know who's who's itching to know human sperm cell is about fifty micrometres. It's teams. UGG Tiny. But a fruit fly, drosophila. Yeah is five point eight centimeters search. Coil would super duper core I did not know. Lie Where's where's stash zoo? It's really just coiled up and eating I. Don't like those. Those little grow things you would get as a kid that we're in the like the little pill and then you add it to water. It's kind of like except it's it's just coiled. Like do you give one of them to the female? Here it is. Joint Serb it. Chocolates let's not talk with. Waiter. There Hoyle and they're delivered to the female in a tangled coil of expand inside. Fancy. Fancy. It's like Yeah Sprang Anyway. for those. Interested. In. The number Pi you might love this story there's been a new exoplanet discovered that orbits its star in. Jest three point one four days. That's right. Its orbital period is very close to. Pi. Oh. It's not exactly priming pike got out more digits but anyway, close enough the astronomers from the Keppler to mission who have identified this exoplanet thought people would like it because everybody likes a little bit of fun. So this is data recorded back in two thousand seventeen by NASA. Kepler's big space telescopes K. to mission. And using this potential looking for this potential planet they used ground based telescopes in Chile's Atacama desert called the search for habitable planets eclipsing ultra cool. Stars otherwise known as Beck you loose. SPECULA-. And they confirmed that there is this earth sized planet is point nine, five times the radius of Earth's, and it's a low orbiting a low mass star smaller than the sun is or being very closely and very, very quickly Still. Even though the star is cool and it's orbiting fairly closely, it would be too hot for life to. Exist they'd all they do think that the planet has a rocky core very similar to Earth's some might be something very interesting to study for potential habitability of other planets and how exoplanets unlike those planets in our solar system are evolving and moving through space and time guests Pi. It's the pipe planet. Go there and have pie. Justin tell me about this asteroid. Small. Near Earth? Asteroid. It's about the size of a school bus and it's heading towards earth. Is Miss Frizzle on it he was gone. Yep. Singley. Thankfully it will not be making a stop here as so many of earth's schools have been closed to the pandemic. It will be zipping by Thursday's September. Fourth, which is tomorrow some years later today my time I think. a distance of about thirteen thousand miles. From the planet service which I don't I, don't know. That sounds great. It's not close. It's close, but it's not. Very close. So that helps else is the moon. The Moon is. Two hundred and four, hundred thousand. That's that's up there the satellites that we have in juice stationary orbit. Or Twenty, two, thousand miles out. So this is. The thing. So Great Question. To see it. Probably. Did you say he's thirteen thousand miles thirteen thousand it was going to it's going to come closer than geosynchronous orbit. Yes. Yes. It's about halfway point of Ingram is Irvine right in between underneath. Zipping by this sounds like twenty twenty to me. Except that it's GonNa miss except that. It's GonNa Miss. Just don't. please. Sh-. You're. Even if The atmosphere. This thing is about fifteen to thirty feet wide If it did hit the earth, it would likely break up in the high atmosphere becoming a bright meteor known as a fireball though. These things apparently hit every once a year once every couple of. It's not completely off the map for for the size of object to be hurtling towards and actually fit the earth's atmosphere. So we're safe even if it does. The. The projections are off by a bit but what I can do is turn off all of my devices tomorrow and just say to my boss I'm sorry I had I. didn't have Internet the satellite got hit by a asteroid, the size of the school. Is Out of my control. Sorry. had nothing to do with. netflix still worked, but otherwise I was unable to do. Yeah, if it actually hit a settlement, that would be pretty pretty amazing shot. Going to be it's GonNa make please approach at you might not be able to see it four twelve a m. Pacific. Time. Seven twelve eastern time which. When I wake up. About what does that that'd be about one o'clock is CENTURY OPN time but it's GonNa, be a visible I think for possibly if you if you had the light two seater if you had the telescope maybe. Over the southeast. Pacific. Would have the sort of facing zoos. zips by. So I. Hope Somebody's on an airplane who can take a picture no that's not GonNa Happen Never. mind. COVID. I felt that one. This finding is they say there's hundred or one hundred, million of these small asteroids like the school either that's going to go by on Thursday at but they're small enough that we will only ever have a couple of days warning at this point that this thing is coming by St Them. Otherwise. We're GONNA pop these fireballs though so So troublesome. Yes. But this is part of the system that's allowing us to see larger ones we're looking for things that aren't you know fifteen to thirty feet, but maybe more in a four, hundred, sixty, foot wide or long. Size. So we are this is part of the system that is looking for the the earth ending threats. The larger? Asteroids after that the that would actually impose a really big problem for the earth. This is a small one, but it I like to know that this is taking place that there we do have is on space looking for these things. We can even tell the base directory things coming back in twenty forty one at which point it will make a more distant fly by than it did this time. We are due a new way. Yeah, we are tracking. These these objects in space we're trying we're trying to track the objects in space. We're also trying to track life back through its history and at one point in our planet, there was no oxygen. But there was life. So. The first, the first. Event Right? It was it was there was all sorts of lice before oxygen really became this thing that we're like. I love my oxygen filled air at one point in time life was like no. Toxic guess. So the question is what did those early organisms rely on there were photosynthetic organisms organisms that were chemo audit trophies where they were relying on chemical energy. There were also organisms they think that were photo synthesizing, but without oxygen oxygen takes the role of the electron carrier in photosynthesis and there are other elements that can take its role and many like. Two, thousand eight there was evidence of a bacterial use of arsenic. And they've been looking into it ever since, and there's now a paper published in communications earth environment by a group out of the University of Connecticut about their research looking into microbial mats that were found on. It, found up in the Atacama desert. So we we're talking about the Atacama. Desert. Where we're doing tells telescope observations of the universe where so finding bacteria that are living in this really dry. Low Oxygen High UV radiation environment, and They have found these maps that apparently are they. They say the best thing to be looking at to be approximating the study of what life was like. When it first got it, start on the planet. So, it's high-sulphur. There's water running over these microbial mats the microbial mats are in. This kind of stream environment that has zero oxygen completely hypoc sick anorexic no oxygen whatsoever and they think to date what the researchers have said is that every time they're looking at microbial mats that researchers like Oh, it's like life before life you know began the way that we look at it today he the researchers like, no no, not really because all these microbial mats you looking at they have oxygen atom. We found one that doesn't so. So. Now, they think that they can really look further at how at the processes that are in place in this high desert high uv high salinity, high sulfur. Zero Oxygen. High. Arsenic Environment. and really verify how they are how they're working. Maybe, the beginnings were arsenic based instead of arsenic and old lace. It's arsenic and old life life. Old Lice Era Is. Okay, moving into the presence. If you just tuned in. You are listening to this week in science. If you are interested in a twist shirt or Mug or other item of our merchandise, you can go to twist dot org and click on the Zaza Link Browser store and find all sorts of items that will show your love for twists and also help us out. All right I would love to further introduce our guest tonight Dr, Kevin Croker is an astrophysicist at the University of Hawaii at Manoa where he's studying dark energy and objects like neutron. Stars and G Odes and he recently authored a paper on g odes that we discussed on the show a few weeks ago. Thank you for joining us on the show to other knee it's A. Don't usually get to something like this, and so it's pretty exciting. Well we hope that you're having fun so far, and now that we're really Guinness Start asking you questions we hope that you continue to have fun. So I introduced Jones a few weeks back. But just for yourself how did you get interested in your field of study in astrophysics and how did you kind of come to focus on things like neutron stars and these dense weird objects in space I guess I should just say that at Undergrad I wasn't I didn't formerly study physics astronomy I was a computer scientist. Sarah engineering type, stuff but every night I used to get online and read the. phys DOT Oregon, whatever they're not paying me a promise. I used to read the what I call the hot sheets right just to see. What's going on sort of you know things like what you guys are doing here almond. So I was really interested in this sort of thing but I, felt that it is. Not Accessible to me like it was it was a very far reach. At the time but I got into. Richard Feinman a he's a he was really really a strong popularizer of science and his professional work is held in quite high regard. And I really liked his his stories. I really liked the guy like I was like this guy's pretty awesome. He's got a pretty cool life. I. Wonder if I could do something like this. So after after I finished the and spent a couple years the station I taught. Myself some physics engine, you know basic math that calculus had to do Algebra and calculus again on my own because I've forgotten it long and I sat in on some classes and professors were kind and they wrote some letters from me and I was able to able to get out here in Hawaii. And that's how I got here and it's high end up doing physics. So it out here because the. So, there's a world expert out here on a what's called a week scale super symmetry and insects. He's Totta. And sort of before before alleged sees didn't sort of find evidence or at least immediate evidence for this this model called weeks Kelsey. Super Symmetry. I was definitely looking like it was really really going to be viable if it was something that was going to be very relevant. and. So I decided that this abuse good place to be. I ended up with a with a different adviser that does neutrinos, which are these very tiny fragments of a nucleus on to think of them, and they don't like to interact with matter very much, and so they carry a lot of interesting information that you can't get otherwise. And he always hung out with the. Astronomers. Up It, up at the institute, and so because he was hanging out with them I, ended up hanging out with them and they worried about his particular friends I guess read about large-scale stuff said of cosmetology big things and so that's where my research topic eventually came from. I was ruing about very, very, very large-scale stuff like the biggest skills you can get. From. Something called the initial condition problem. So you have the Big Bang sort of the universe started in some very dense hot state. And then you can always ask the question. Okay. That's great and it agrees with data. Where'd that come from or what happened before that? and. So a lot of people will dismiss that as sort of like a metaphysics issue like this is beyond test ability or whatever but it's not and so people of Soto to worry about these things again. and. So I was initially sort of working on that idea and I was trying to sort of construct like A. Almost, like a biologically inspired model. So you instead of saying you know it just started into bang. About what came before because then you have the issue of specifying like what was initially there to get the equations to specify everything else correctly downstream. You can just say, well, there was a universe before that and what was before that another one before that and so this idea is not mine. It's been around and Russia for quite a while. and. So. I was playing with ideas like that. Then I was trying to build a model that have worked on instead of a more precise way. And I was failing I couldn't do it. Pretty heart a lot of people have failed have failed at this problem. This is a this is one of those big questions of. Together you're. Not. What the university, report the universe. Failed. Myself. Shot a little too long out I one didn't didn't get there. Yes. So, what happened though is I'm writing these this model down and I. I I expect it to find something that would look like. Will look like Derg dark matter, which is another one of these problems dealing with right now, and instead I found I kept getting these regions of dark energy. And, these small regions of dark energy and how was that's that can't be right This is. You know that's not that's not the way I thought about them ahead and then I just sort of fun. Wait a second. What would happen if you did have something like this? And I just ran really quickly the the numbers just on an envelope calculation and. And it was off by a a factor of one thousand. which sounds pretty awful but the sort of the leading explanations for a cosmological constant that don't work or off by about a factor of ten with one hundred, twenty zeroes after. So going from a Hydra Twenty Zeros to threes Zeros felt pretty good to me at the time. And so I wrote like a real quick paper, pushed it off to some journal and they got back to me pre fast delayed. Yeah. That's a cool idea. But do damn calculation. So. Yeah. So that's how I got started on this was. This weird coincidence that I wasn't expecting to find on. So I didn't know so much about the. Dark energy problem at all or any of these things because I was worried about sort. Like unrelated. So I sort of came at this problem from very different perspective. On and that ended up being somewhat useful down the road. Was that that adjusts your question I kind of win for a long time. It absolutely does but So you're coming at dark energy from this different perspective of where what where did the universe come from where did it all start? led down to this free small small things. So it was sort of focusing on extremely large stuff. Yeah, and then I found out that you get these really small things and they seem to contain the stuff you you wanted sort of to get at the pretty big but not ridiculously big stuff. So it was this weird connection between very, very, very vastly separated scales and that's weird. That's odd and so that sort of caught my attention and I kept playing with the idea. Lying. Though what? Well just heard. What just Heard that. The universe is connected from the macro to the micro scale. It is all. One continuous. Universe it's the same universe. So Kid. I hitting. It. Says Universe Earth this stating the captain obvious thing here but but. Finding a phenomenon. At that. It should there should be something that connects the very large observation to something that's actually taking place on the my nudist of scales they have to has to. Built on this foundation I way. So what? Did. You feel this way right 'cause 'cause I felt this way as well On. A lot of other people don't. So and. It was very difficult to sort of figure out why on. So I'm really interested to know where you were sort of exposed to this idea or where you develop this intuition. Oneida. We'll be. So. Argument isn't. Isn't. That's the argument between sort of. Quantum physics and work like people were. Like scales have disagreements in how they are able to calculate things, but they have to be connected because they're all phenomenon built on phenomenon. Built on on physics all the way down. So there has to be connected. There's. This scale that everything's just completely changes in has its own rules and isn't doesn't care what's happening at the other scale of the universe. So I should make a disclaimer I that the things that I work on and the the frameworks within which I work are Einstein's theory of general relativity. So and I really really last time I worked on quantum mechanics was years ago. Eight years ago or something like just just in my studies, right? Not Not with respect to any sort of research. So I'm very much a relativist and sort of A. A very bad applied mathematician maybe you could say So I am not qualified to speak on anything that has to do with quantum mechanics. So just were only with with general relativity and the way that. I would classical theories sort of stuff that happened before the advent of quantum mechanics are usually regarded is that they have property called locality. And so whatever is happening here and whatever is happening here like if they're going to somehow interact with each other. There has to be interaction sort of propagates at most late speed, and so there's the you can have delayed effects on, but to have some sort of. Non Local correlations or things that are happening at the same same time but it different places that notion is. Actually, can be ill posed in classical theories and so most people's expectation all within a theory general relativity is that you really shouldn't have effects like that taking place on. And so that's why dark energy is actually somewhat interesting on especially with the way, we went about doing it yet. So let's talk about dark energy firm and at that wasn't your focus but dark energy in the way that we understand it is we really don't know what it is. We know that it has to that it is a force that is involved in the expansion of the universe will decide that we don't know what it is is so there's a sort of. It's good to separate the observational evidence for thing, from the thing itself, and so the observational evidence for the thing is sort of coming from a couple of different places. So you've got the you've got the evidence from Supernova that are pretty far away in the city you build this distance ladder recent bootstrap. Your way up looking for relaxes a stars kind of move around. Like this and then you can get distance cities, proofing stars, leads, and you can see cepheids further out, and then you get the distance from to those and you can use the distance from the CEPHEIDS and UCD's exploding stars that are really bright, and then you can see much further out because they're much brighter and so you can sort of build this cable of distances out. And the Supernova looks sort of. Dimmer than they should, which tells you if you interpret it that way the easiest way to interpret it is that the universe is expanding faster than you thought it was and that's that was sort of the first observational evidence for. The phenomenon that has been attributed to dark energy. Got It. Okay. So an consequently there's. Other evidences has come into play so you can sort of. You can sort of look at the look in the sky and look at galaxies are. And you can sort of ask questions like if I have a galaxy here. And I draw a circle that's at the certain radius out from that galaxy. What's the probability to find another galaxy in that circle? And you consider answer that question for many different Radii of circles, and then you can play that game at every galaxy you pick on the sky and said that you get some sort of average description of the probability of you know if you're looking at one galaxy, how likely is that? There will be another one nearby. Said you look at sort of data like that, and that sort of gives you information on the expansion history of the universe. And you find that the the way that set up? Is. Suggestive that you have a certain amount of matter in your universe. And it doesn't matter accounts for maybe one third of the total. Energy that you need in the universe and so there's sort of like a missing sixty six percent. That that should be there on, but it's not acting like matter. And so it turns out that that number works with the same number that would cause the the brightness of the Supernova to be dimmer as much as we see them to be dimmed When we're talking about matter and energy matter the energy in the universe are we talking gravity? Okay No. So let's this is actually a really good point you bring up just in sort of a language issue and sort of the names dark matter and dark energy are pretty unfortunate names on. Their place August right yet just as holders of. Your easily confused because you hear you know about Einstein and energy is mass and all these things. So you think the energy matter and then like how how dark energy and dark matter different it's it's very it's sort of in the mind doesn't keep the concepts cleanly separated when when they actually should be on and so. I think it's funny that the original name dark energy always dark energy your eight. Of course it was it was something called. Mu Vacuum it was called Mu. So, this this Russian guy in like a Siberian prison camp like the sixties. wrote a paper about how you know you should expect to find there should be material that he called Mu. It should have very strange properties, but it should be there, and so this is another example I give you two examples of observational evidences, the of Supernova, and the brightness is in the sort of a it's called the turnover in the matter power spectrum is the phenomenon described before. And so there's also the theoretical argument that you should have interior like this. You can sort of play a mathematical game with the with Feinstein's equations, and you find that that most things that you know about sort of fall into a category one. But then. Light, falls into a category two. And there's two. Catholic. Is the three or four that are totally crazy and you don't worry about those. But it turns out, you can ask like, okay what are all the possible things if into category one? And There's one thing that's very strange. And We would call that thing now dark energy. But it's like a material. So the way that. They picked up the name dark energy is. A. You would not usually expect sort of a phenomenon to happen because material. So gleaner thought that it should happen during gravitational collapse into something crunching crunching crunching crunching, crunching down. That eventually, eventually everything squeezes into everything else. That you would form this new material. And so it wasn't. Thought for various reasons that are actually very very technical on. This localized regions of new material would somehow conspire to produce like on a large scale to effect, and so the I guess we should take a step back. How I should I should ask also you guys with me with respect to this notion of dark energy is just like type of stuff but just a different type of stuff. Okay. So, on and then I, guess the Chat Window told you guys that that GIO generic object of dark energy so it's it's a ball of. New Material and that's it. So just like the moon is a ball of fur rock. Star is ball of very hot gas. It's like a nuclear fire. On Neutron. Stars a bold neutrons a is a bowl of dark energy. And that's that's it. There's nothing else should have crazy to accept the properties of meal. New. Materials really weird stuff. Yes. So When I came across? Your paper that was recently published and the idea in recent and last year's paper and things talking about this idea of geodesy. The the concept of a black hole is something that people are fairly familiar with at this point. It's like, okay matter collapses down and then at a certain point, there's it. Smashes all up you have rent horizon, light dozen escape. You've got weird effects of the black hole and but that's just the weird black hole thing and now you're saying that some of these black holes can actually be. A different. Maybe they're matter that's black hold in the way that we would describe it normally and. Maybe, it's this new material or is it always material? So there's actually a really good question on. There are some models that that that say to you could make a black hole or you can make an object like a objects that would also have an event horizon and you can make ones that don't It really is sort of. Black Holes are sort of funny objects. Because there's sort of characterized entirely by maybe three things characterized by mass the characterized by their charge. If they have any new characterized by spin and those three numbers sufficed till I, give you everything you can ever get out of a black hole. At least if you're not playing hawking gains and that's why it's why black holes a problem off and people think that it's very interesting to study is because you have all this stuff information going into this object yet somehow all of that's broken down or digested just three numbers. And that's troublesome in various ways and people have really worked on this for for a while. So. You don't have to. You don't have to always form a black hole you don't always have to four. owed. These are sort of we don't know these are sort of solutions that are admitted by Einstein's equations and. On the outside of these solutions like outside of anywhere, any funny business would be happening. All of look, the same and so as far as observations can distinguish them all like local observations People thought that they were the same basically and so they didn't bother making a distinction and it's much easier to work with the black hole solutions like as a mathematical thing, they're far less complicated. So black hole solutions. If you go very far away from them, they exist in isolation. If you go very far away from them nothing, there's nothing out there and there's nothing happening. that really simplifies the math and black holes really it's gravitation and so if if something's close, it's going to get pulled in by gravity, but gravity falls off kind of with distance and. And South. So the thing is interesting about a black hole yet your you you said something that was actually very correct. The. Classical black hole solutions are what are called vacuum solutions so you don't have any stuff. Yet somehow it acts like there's stuff there you don't have any. And, for instance, the way they found the spinning solution occur solution, which is the one that that lie go fits the way forums against. The, the question that was posed was. What's the only way that I can sort of make a thing that if I rotate it in some direction, it looks the same and there's nothing special going on away from it. What's the only way that I can describe a universe that has that property? And the answer was the the curse solution. And so there is no description of any stuff. There is no sort of dynamical process where things were collapsing things we were creating the pressure is built up and there was a conversion into a spinning black hole. It's just you got this thing. And then people were like. Well, you know if this is if this is a real object and something like this has to be able to somehow. And then people you know add on ideas like that. But there is to my knowledge, no fully dynamical model of the formation of any objects like this at all whether it's your black hole. So people have done sort of. Just, really really toy models where you have a bunch of spherical cloud of dust coming together and by dust I actually mean it doesn't. It's pressureless. It doesn't sort of smack into itself and it just sort of collapses I. Mean there's models like that but I mean, you just saw the wobbling ring around the image of these things. That's nothing at all like what's going on right? So. Obviously, a lot more complexity than these. Models these vacuum models? Yeah. It is the problem with the mathematics as Einstein's Einstein's equations are just so gnarly that that you really make any progress at all you gotta start as simple as possible and. Isn't there some sort of a joke were a physicist is asked to describe a cow and then says, okay, sure cow is a completely spherical object. I with the most basic. Get, rid of all of the leg the you're the. Counter. How would probably put this article colleague like you? Can get you a lot of like a good. Speak Emotion. Cal Can do a lot for you. There we go. Approximation. How much methane spherical produces But how is it going to? How will the spiritual cow help you with Black Holes Geos? That is the question. and. So the answer. To. Me Was it won't. Yeah and so we had to sort of figure out. A way to deal with that, you know we can't play with Syrah cows if we're going to be in a real universe and we're gonNA deal with real. Sources. And these sorts of problems were beyond me and so I had to team up with a mathematician. and. And we worked pretty hard on this for awhile and we've been making some slow progress. And that was really the the sort of the thing that matters the most was the figuring out how to go about dealing with these very strong sources in Einstein's theory without making the approximations that are usually made when dealing with A. Strong sources locally like when looking at their mergers when looking at things that are recruiting onto them. And that was that was the pretty hard. That was the hard part. Of How had get these sources into like a bigger picture that fit together into a coherent whole. And that's actually what the three papers in this series the first paper in the series that you mentioned a deals with the. The base level of the calculation, and so the strategy is to sort of instead of all right. So he's taken back again. Usually, the way physics is taught in school. You guys hide it in physics is that if you understand the way the parts of a thing work. And departure simple. Then you can sort of build piece together the parts. Bit By bit by bit and build up a very complicated thing. If you understand how the parts work, you can understand how the whole works. So. This intuition or this sort of approach to a problem is physicist usually attach a a word to be called LINEAR. So if you know the parts, you know how to some works in its linear. And a lot of the things that we have. One of the theories that we have are are actually linear. So electricity magnetism ends up having this property and it's really nice and so we can do good things that very quickly. On newtonian gravity also has this property and so it's very nice to work with. Quantum mechanics also has this property, and so it's very nice to work with formalism. Einstein's general relativity does not have this property. It's not linear on. That's what makes it so hard to work with, you can't sort of use techniques that are you can't break the problem down a little chunks and then build up from those chunks. And historically working with general relativity, people have attempted to that anyway. And the reason is just that. What we know how to right and you know what else are we going to do? And so what we? Worked on with the mathematician. was really trying to figure out a way instead of like going up from the little bits and trying to build a big structure. How to actually come from top down. Instead of start like in very broad sketches and then. step-by-step refine the picture sort of like you would like if you were making like a piece of artwork or something. or it no back in the day like I'm GonNa really the date myself here with age. But when you had a modem and you were downloading and image on the Internet and sometimes it'd be the images come in line by line right? But. Then sometimes, there would images that would come out like for the. Blurry. And then the blurry nece would resolve. Block Eunice and then the block genus would resolve into sort of lake. Sort of a rough blur, and then it would sort of come into the full resolution image and it come into these stages. and. So the approach we took with Einstein's equations was exactly like that second way of storing an image. And so. We sort of build the calculation in layers and each layer we make a further refinement on the previous layers. And We found a way to do this that allows us to sort of. Incorporate very, very strong sources in a way that's agnostic to the fine details of the source. And when we did that the first step of the first layer would it's just a a uniform color. It's not just black some uniform color that I layer. We found that the the ultra the strong sources. Are are effectively sneered out. Didn't the dynamics, the behavior of the universe you expect in that coarsest most average sense. Really. Does require a smeared out version of all the sources that you have present. and. That's a really weird thing to consider. Because if you have something like a gas. And you think the bunch and you're thinking about Adams Adams in gas and say it's in a bottle and these are bouncing around. The the gas inside the bottle has a pressure because those I don't smacking into the the container and they're pressing out on it right and so that's your notion of pressure and so you'd think that if you had a universe, it was full of a bunch of you know. Tiny objects, call them jobs. And and they're not smacking into each other and they're not smacking into anything else than how could a large collection of these things sort of have pressure Not Bouncing off of each other, not a balancing of anything else so. Why why should whatever's going on inside the code? Influence what's going on outside the code? and. So people people sort of thought that that was the case. Oh sort of agreed with this common intuition where you have like the sort of what I would call the kinetic theory. Sort of conception of pressure. On. But that's not what you get when you do this sort of a layered approach to Arnstein quesions. You get that the behavior of the zero layer is complete average cuts right through everything it sees everything. and. So you pick up the pressures that are inside the G.. Odes? And when you do that things get wild. How doing you guys with me I I've been telling this story. Wild. Okay. We should definitely take a question break though. So please just sort of share with me where you're at what you're thinking. Before we go to the next step. Yes. So these you've got these sources and the roads, right? These things that are there out there. We're not. They're not pushing against each other according to this kinetic theory right now that you've done the math differently looking at Einstein's theory now you're going no no, no, they are. Each other they are doing something they're in. This stuff around them? Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's how. Ahead you sounded like referees. Before before how and the why? Before before I was? Earlier about how gravity we don't have a mechanism exactly for we we can. We can calculate how it operates threats university, but we don't know exactly what a gravity stuff it's. We don't know what the communication is. Okay let's take it. So. We don't necessarily. I don't necessarily need to know what's the mechanics that that Y. Is a thing. But do we know as we do with gravity? Can We? We can see it's it's affects and how it is a reaching beyond having affects the further than its its locality. So you said you WANNA. Okay. So you'd like to move to the observational stuff. or You would you like to talk? I need a little observational. Well Yeah. So I mean the first thing that I would I would say on the first thing that drops out of the wash is that if you form a bunch of these gop objects around when the universe was may be eight, hundred, million years old You get you get what's called. A cosmo looks like a cosmological constant that has the right value. So, instead of just having to add some numbered Einstein's equations if this is the end stage of stellar collapse, if it doesn't form a black hole, but it instead form Cs meaux material objects then. You. Just automatically expect a cosmological constant. It's not like a weird thing happens. Now it's not exactly constant. There's some time variation and if your observations or precise enough, you can tease out that time variation maybe shows up at about the one percent point one percent level of this experiment called daisy a dark energy spectroscopy instrument. It is going to be able to look back pretty far And they sort of. Galaxies in the sky and get very precise data is to how fast they're going away from us. And they might be able to sniff the little effect that you would expect to see if he were sort of forming agios instead of forming black holes. So That's one example of sort of how you just get you get up the best fit model to sort of automatically when you have these things around and get it's you can distinguish it from the best fit model presently all by more precise measurements. How do you feel about that? Does that mean that there's a there's a time point Chretien universe where it went from Gio formation to black hole formation or is it are they still completely shepherd phenomenon known as you could be so so the? Yeah so you could you could. Yeah, you don't. So what we're trying to, what is the position that I take right in? It's it's maybe a position that I shouldn't take with physician I take is it you don't need black holes. They have all sorts of theoretical problems and if you just replace them with these sort of dark energy objects. You just sort of start fixing other things that weren't making much sense before. And but but if I'M GONNA be a if I'm GonNa be a straight science which should being on than than they can coexist. There's no reason to have one of the other and you have to you have to apply like an Arkansas Razor argument to shave off the black holes. Blair Catholic Yeah. So I'm trying to synthesize. This is crazy. So I think I guess we're I'm getting stuck is. Does this change what we know or does this change how we know what we know? About the universe. That's a pretty profound question. So. I guess. So let me just take a take a step back on. I would say that this increases our confidence that Einstein's equations are very, very, very good. Description of whatever's going on. On. Because from the conclusion that we've conclusions that we've drawn a working within Einstein's framework, is that When you start crossing t's and dotting some is. you start explaining these phenomenon that had been unexplained for a little while. and. So that tells you the currently accepted theory of what's going on for gravity. Is better than you thought it was like much better than you thought it was and so Einstein's got another home run. Yeah and so that's the I guess the to your question. Yeah. So it's kind of filling in these these question marks in the equations that we were trying to use to explain things that we knew about the universe, right so for instance, Swick, the dark energy you could, you can add that I keep saying and maybe I should have said it earlier I'm sorry you can model that you can take on sense equations you. Can stick a constant in their basically a constant time something called the metric. You put basically the constant term in there and it's permitted you can do it. It doesn't break anything of it seems to Ad Hawk like you just pull it out of somewhere on and so a lot of people that had issue with that like they didn't think it was pretty but other people were like we don't give any don't care about. Whether. It's pretty or not. If it's the data, it's the simplest model and we're going to go with it right And so now you don't need to put that number in there right. You can just instead of forming black holes which have problems of their own with this sort of one way edges and the singularity is that are on the inside. If you just get rid of that idea and you instead replace it with these dark energy objects, then you've solved those problems with one way layers and you saw those problems with information paradoxes and he sold his problems as singularities and you also get this this cosmological constant number for free. So I would say that I would say that that what we've worked on shows that again, Einstein's equations are are even better than we thought like much better on but I think it also shows that we have a long way to go for. Really Understanding or capturing the essence of what what they're telling us. How is that? So this this idea. Originally, you know fifty sixty years ago was saying it was kind of. Not, looked at for a long time. have their genes are out there but not really looked at in the way that you've looked at them. with your collaborators until now, how is the astrophysics community responding to your ideas? That's a great question. I'll be going to respond to this one. And you know people like scientists who are pretty conservative group, right? Berry, you really have to come correct said you can't just like dropping I like I said that first paper I pushed back in two thousand sixteen and they just threw it back. This is cool but come on do something. You know that's really the sentiment and so the impetus when you've got a new. Way. Of approaching. An old problem is on you you really have to to make the convincing argument that people should pay attention to it, and it's a slow process first off because you know when you first come up with an idea and you make some connections. You don't have the fully clearest picture of of what's going on like you can be. Sort of like the way we actually built a model you don't see. Sort of how you don't see all the puzzle pieces in their precision. Puzzle. You realize you're looking at a puzzle and you're like, well, you start hunting for the border. Right, and then you start laying the border pieces out you find a corner pieces I get those corners in place. Then you start building the corners and eventually you have a border in place. Once he got the border in place, you can start working your way in. On, and so that's it's really sort of how the the research grows organically off from the sort of initial idea to realizing like, okay. It's going to have these implications in moving on from that. So, I can tell you that I had the fortune of having one of these sort of really prominent cosmology people just sort of down the hallway offer me as guys named Nick Heiser and he's no longer here at a Hawaii. He's moved over to France I. I don't WanNa. Say the name wrong because I don't speak French. Well, it's Ns is the abbreviation. And A. One of the most interesting things about working with a guy like that is that. Even. If he doesn't agree with what you're saying. He can see all of the consequences of the idea very rapidly. And so I had this very heated dynamical like exciting exchange with him where I'd be like. Well, what about this and he's like? I mean I bet you could get the right cosmological constant if you made a bunch of these things but that's crazy. You Know Soda and we'd interest back here. It'd be like. Well, why is it crazy and he has some reasons and I'd take. Okay. Thank you. You go and sit and think about his reasons and do I agree with these reasons like is it is it making sense to me? Your does not make sense to me or do I know and sort of you continue this sort of flake almost adversarial but professional interaction with his with this person and essentially useless of leg you knock off the the broken parts in your left with the stuff that works. And I still think to this day nick is he does not like what we're doing. Three years ago it's a lot tighter. That's I mean that kind of real the yeah. That kind of relationship can really help your ideas really really hone them fine tune them, and like you said, make them better over time. So we've got the the roads we're. We know that they're acting on. Things there on each other on the stuff around them so the papers, all three of them they've. Now you've now said that they in your models they support the idea of expansion that they work in the way that we see the universe expanding. And so the thing there was so great. You got you basically that accounting game at that first level of the calculation you to county game smeared everything out and said, Hey, can we get the right number? And you can pretty easily it's very flexible, which is a nice thing to have But if you sort of that's not the universe, we of course, live in we live in a universe where there's not everything is identical everywhere their stuff. it's distributed very unevenly. And so the thought was that well. If you have a bunch of these, very old jobs are just by virtue of what do they get much heavier. Since from when they're born to say the press day. And if you had a bunch of these things and they're pretty heavy. Excuse me. and. They moved around like matter does. You'd have a bunch of them hanging around galaxies. And that would destroy galaxies 'cause they're huge and they're like ten, ten, ten to five. So I guess one, hundred, thousand sons ish. That's pretty heavy thing. So we've got about a bunch of things going on our own Milky Way galaxy that are older tend to the four. So ten, thousand, her hundred thousand. Ten, thousand ten, thousand, ten, thousand, and. Ten thousand while solar masses and So they usually called Dwarf galaxies. To gotTA think around a hope I don't get the number on maybe one, hundred, twenty, eight of them something like that. So there's this little like collection of. Little, tiny galaxies going around arms. But you definitely couldn't have. A population of one thousand. Hundred thousand solar mass objects that would start causing trouble. and. So it was very important that if this idea was going to be a viable explanation for this number that you, you find the ninestones equations when you look at the largest scales. That these things are not hanging around galaxies too much. And to answer that question we had to take we had to take the zero the first level calculation use that as an input for the first level calculation. Zero Zero, and then era I. We had to input that into the first, and then we had to see, okay what's going to happen if we start with a very old universe when everything is still very hot and everything still just slide out and Colin down and nothing's really clumping together yet. Where did the GEOS end up? and. So that's the question we answered the third paper. And it turns out that they It. Their spin matters. and. So if they're spitting very slowly they clump faster than matter, they claim faster than black holes. And you can understand this idea that on. In terms of the GIO, themselves said they get heavier as they get older. And so they get is that from matter accretion. The heavy intrinsically. And, it's the same phenomenon that when you see light from a very distant galaxy and it's redder. That enter that energy that's in the light is not because the galaxy has a relative motion to you in any sort of the doppler sense of fact. It's actually a common misconception. You can rick and run the math and see that has nothing to do with the Doppler shift. What that is is just the light losing energy because it's it's inhabiting. What's called a a Friedmann cosmology. It's not flat space. It's sort of a space that's filtered stuff everywhere and the sort of. End Effect of there being stuff everywhere is that stuff sort of? A. Better Word trains you or sort of saps you in some way. And so for. My POW I'm getting heavier over time I am. So. That's not that's not the the right. It's not the radiation. Yeah, and you gotta be careful because there's sort of this old notion was called tired light in cosmology and that's not the same phenomenon. As the the the well understood Photon redshift, which is what I'm talking about now. So jobs instead of losing energy. By virtue of their nature. So light loses energy by virtue of its nature. Gio Gain energy virtue of their nature. And so they gain energy pretty quickly. But geos are not light localize things and so when they gain energy gain mass. So. They could have. and. So if you have sort of two objects to jobs or to say things that are not in the rotating each other. As the universe is getting older and older, these things are staying the same weight, same mass and so. They're orbit is not changing. But if you have to objects that are getting heavier. As the universe is getting older, their mutual gravity is going to increase. And so they're going to spiral into each other. And in this sense, they collapse faster than than regular matter does. And so we actually sort of characterize this effect in the second paper. But. We didn't sort of consider the effects of spend. We didn't know how to do that at that time. On we only sort of considered what would be called sorry will be called the newtonian limit. But when we did the third paper, then we had to sort of considered objects in more generality. And it turns out that if they're not spinning they the clump real fast in that same way and that becomes problematic. But if you're spinning. Is a threshold spin and they start to repel each other. And Lucky for us, it's expected that when matter does fall onto things like black holes. They. Spin up because each little bit of matter also contains a little bit of spin with it. When that falls under the black hole it becomes integrated into the black hole members said, there's three numbers that characterize a black hole mass charge and spin. And you pick up the spin and where's IT GONNA go is GonNa make the whole thing go faster if you're pulling tons and tons of matter, you're getting lots of spin. and. So you can show that these things respected to spin up pretty quickly. And so. In that sense we were able to make an argument that was at least good enough to pass the referee process at the astrophysical journal. That that that they would spin up and they would undergo this propulsion effect and so most of them would not year round galaxies. In fact, most of them would be. Distributed uniformly. But since most of space is these void regions, most of them are influence. which we can't see anyway. So yeah the dark into the dark dark. Yeah. An object it's about ten to the five masses if it's almost the size of a black hole is one fourth radius of the Sun. And it's completely dirk. So they're really hard to see, but there are signatures that you can't pick on. Okay. Lensing are is they're going to be testing? Can we test this? That is the absolutely right, and that's that's actually what's most useful about the jeered scenario is you can excluded and tons of ways. It has signatures everywhere across so many scales from the scale of. Compact coalescing binary systems to scale of galaxies you can count how many things might be around to the scales, clusters of galaxies into the scale of cosmological distance. So. From. A got two questions. One was from Justin rate, and then was also from from. Yuki. So well, which just remind me your question or. Adding the tiny so it'd be hard to spot one, but so you ask the lensing. So. I. Don't think the number densities and an expert and gravitational lensing. I don't think the number density decision for you to to get sort of a strong lending signal like to see something like a blip I don't think there's enough of that on and because they're uniformly distributed. Issue think you'd be seeing any. A week lensing signature either. That sort of this. I don't know if you know what we cleansing is when you? You look at the you'll get some region of space and you look at the background field of galaxy that are further away than the region that you're sort of interrogating. And you look for subtle distortions in the orientations of the way those galaxies are you'd think that normally if you're looking at region and there were so no shenanigans happening in between me and what I'm seeing that all of the galaxies would sort of be randomly arranged ray maybe they're ellipses and they're sort of randomly rotated ellipses and there's no sort of preference anywhere. and. So you start with that assumption and then you look at some region of space and you say a Ha. I see all these galaxies have stretched and squished and rotated. Sort of suddenly begin between something in between us. Yes. Is Sort of subtly affecting the background field and if you can look at enough these background field galaxies, you can reconstruct sort of what is sitting in between you and the background field. And so that's called weak gravitational lensing, and if you have these things that are distributed new formerly though then you're not really going to have any preferential shears or deformations in one region or another region, and so I think the week lensing single would be small. Actually, this nick. Kaiser Guy that I mentioned before is bread and butter. His is weak lensing. So you might have some things to say about that but I think. In terms of other tests though I mean. So you could. You could. Test light traveling through void regions of space see how weak lensing occurs whether or not it does you could is there is there other triangulation? Are there other ways that it? Would you just said actually if you say look through light passing through voids and if you just don't say the lensing part, you actually identified exactly the other way to look for these things. And that's something called the Integrated Sachs. Wolfe effect. Is W effective short. And so what happens there is that the usual way that it's described is you have a Light. Sort of comes into a galaxy cluster something very heavy. And that light is coming into the cluster. It picks up energy from gravitation, and so it becomes bluer. And then as it leaves the galaxy cluster, it loses energy and it becomes redder again. And usually you would expect this effect to balance. So the amount of energy you picked up coming in is going to be equal to the metallurgy lose going out. So you don't expect an S. W. Signal. But depending on how the universe is growing if the universe is growing very quickly like an accelerated expansion. Then sort of the. Cluster itself is thought to get stretched. With the expansion a little bit. Ruined and so the light coming in. Picks up energy? But as it's leaving things stretched a little bit too much and so it doesn't loses much energy on the way out. And so you expect that the light gets a a slight blue shift. It gets a little more energetic. And people have looked for this effect and they found it on. So you can look in clusters and you can like us delight from the cosmic microwave background as sort of the back light, and you can look for the imprint of structure on the cause of microwave background, and you can look for these subtle shifts hotter and colder. So you get the hotter ones when you have material. Likewise if you have very empty region, the same thing happens in reverse and you get a colder. Colder photon coming up. and. So it turns out that The jobs. Add a new contribution to the is w effect. Something called Tropic stress. And don't ask me where that word comes from or what it means. CASSIE. What it means I don't know where it comes from. It's just to me. It's very sort of confusing word. It's a sort of characterization if the notion of things wanting to shear. So that's. Stretching, squishing defamation. And so it's out of source of this type of. Stress. And that changes the highest W signal. and. So in the process of writing paper three, we did the did a bunch of the simulations in have the results. And we still analyze them to compute the w effect to see. Is it visible. Is it a large one It could be too large could break people have measuring this right and so we have to we have to figure that out, make the measurement and see if it's consistent with the data that we have already. Great. So you you've got you've you're working on the model you've already got observational data, your correlating things with and so it's a matter now. Just going through. All of the possible places you can look. where, where does where do the codes? What. What assumptions do you make and what predictions can you make, and then how does that lineup with your data brand? New from these these. Repairs in the Milky Way did they couldn't be hanging around galaxies and so we had to get them away from galaxies. So it turns out that they like to get away from galaxies on their own. So that's good. If you're worried about binary star pairs and galaxies, but now they're sitting voids. And so now we gotta make sure that the data from the void still make sense. So that's that's next on the list. All right. I mean, that's that's exciting. It's really. It's it's got to feel I mean. How does it feel? You've got this new idea this thing I mean it's not new news. Really. It's me on this? No. No it doesn't actually. You feel like you're at the beginning of journey or is this Honestly, if I were to be honest, it feels terrifying. That's really what it feels like because. Like I said, the community is a very conservative community if you really want to get people to pay attention because to to to really investigate an idea to consider whether or not someone's works. Someone's analysis is correct, right? It's very technical stuff. It takes a lot of time you have to be like I. Care About this enough to really dedicate two three four hours a day maybe for a couple of weeks to get your head into the right space to be able to understand. Okay. What were they doing? Why did they go about doing this and do I do I agree with their methods to I agree with your conclusions? And that's really hard work and people are very busy. So, there's a really really high bar in order to to to get people to pay attention. And so I think it's just a very slow process, and so we're doing the best that we can to make connections with observations on many different scales that already exists to make predictions for upcoming experiments. And I. Think it's just a matter of time. It's a new idea and people I think will be uncomfortable with a while. But. If enough people begin to sort of noticed it, hey, it keeps working i. think eventually it will sort of draw the necessary sort of harsh critical attention that it really needs to. to take it to the next level right you really need people that are gonNA come around and be like, I hate this. They come at it right and then they they give you all that they got, and then you know if it survives then it's like thirty six hours right? You GotTa start at Chamber. One and you gotta get to chamber to and. Chamber thirty, five I because they're just gonNA push out the door don't don't go too far ahead of yourself but I think you're already you're already beyond just a theoretical analysis. This is actually this is actually getting into experimental. I mean, you're doing observational experiments, but this is experimental. And Yeah I think it's one of the I mean I'm Gonna I'm GonNa, get shot out here to my department here in why is that? I had the fortune of sort of coming of age in an extremely observational, extremely experimental community. So we have the the the observational astro community up at the institute for Astronomy and we've got a bunch of people that work on particle physics experiments here in physics and astronomy. and. So whenever I would interact with my my mentors here the question was always, what are the predictions? How do we measure this? I wasn't. Allowed to get lost in theory land I always was being pulled back and be like alright. It's going to do this or it's GonNa. Do this I'm going to sit here and that was the really the way to sort of. Make progress with people to connect to the data. Off so that sort of the approach that I think we've taken from the from the very beginning was all right. How do we best connect with the data and because this idea is wild the consequences are wild working entirely with an Einstein framework and people are going to have a pretty difficult time with this unless we can really show that it pays dividends. And so that's why we've we've taken the that we have I got I, don't know why I got this this funny image of what you've just described as as as a small bird continuously being pushed out of the nest. Usually hitting then having come back into the lab. Time. An Athlete after describes the graduate student billions. You're trying to fly on your own and you really you really not strong enough yet. That's but but it says it sounds like they're. Having that focus of of it's not just a a a nice idea that you can work on in the sandbox but being being pushed up against actual observation experimental minded people must've accelerated. Your appreciation for the ideas well. A yeah. So I mean there is a lot like I said, there was a lot of honesty a lot of fear very leg like this like that I came at the problem it. It seemed to me to be sort of clear that there was only one way forward. But that was not at all what anyone else was doing as I'm like crazy like like, why isn't it? What isn't anyone else seemed to see this early? Why isn't anyone approach the problem in this way? And usually when I when that happens to me, it's because I'm wrong. Usually when that happens to also because I'm wrong, right So. Great. So this This was still going. Ongoing it's very, it's. It's really an. Interesting concept and I think it's An interesting one to talk about because it. Really. Gives a new a new spin on black holes and. Blair approved to that way. The ground. From the from the stage when it comes from the stage. Twenty. Nine Times right. approval. Thank you so much for sharing all of this information with US joining US tonight. This is just been very generous with your time. Thank you. Listen to me ramble forever. Awesome. We have your, we have a link to your web page at the University of Hawaii, and we can also link to the geodetic wikipedia entry. So maybe in our website to send people, you'd better your if we link your podcast or we link this livestream is just like. What or did you just click it? It'll take you to this. Conversation is conversation was you'll be Rick cursive. Drive the click traffic. Like it I like this idea. Of. Birch. It's dark nobody can actually. It's their trusted. The boxers nothing no. From It, I can send you paper. The hat is really heavy. It's just it's really heavy and it tries to push you away. All right everybody we have come to the end of our interview. Dr Croker. Thank you so much for joining us. We are going to. Your welcome. We are going to continue on to some more science stories. Alright. Thank you. This is this week in science. Thank you for listening. 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Here So I have a couple of kind of silly but funds stories that actually have some good implementation's to the greater scientific world this duke. University they love their primates and this is looking at male babboons actually thirty five years of data looking at more than five hundred, forty babboons over those thirty five years in a national park in Kenya. Looking at. Platonic relationships. So relationships between males and females that are not related to copulation or reproduction. because. There's been lots of studies done about family groups about definitely female female relationships, male male ruffled relationships. But when when we think about males being friendly with females you tend to assume as. A. Biologist would assume that it has to do with reproductive perks at some white. Even if you're not currently getting any of those perks, perhaps you're hoping you will at some point. Maybe. That's happening because they're related in some way to offspring so they're helping protect or maybe a that by. Giving a kind of social behavior friendly behavior. There's a hope that at some point down the line. Maybe you'll get a shot. But then at the same time, we also know from studies with humans. That humans who have close friends. Strength chips are more likely to live longer than those who've dealt. And Human Studies also show that making keeping friends can be as important from long jetty as losing weight or getting exercise. So we have these two kind of very different ways of looking at the world. Perhaps, no coincidence that one is looking at non human primates in one is looking at human primates and their their. You know we we're kind of want to separate from. It's all about sex thing. Can Be reds who the guy. But then we're looking at the baboots. We don't want to believe that for some reason I think is very maybe it's a subconscious thing anyway But finally it there's there's been these patterns of opposite sex friendship that has been seen all over the in Wokingham, but especially a lot in mammals. And they used to techniques to look at mortality risk at each age. and to see if there was links between survival and friendship. And if those were the same for males and females. They. Do, spend a lot of time together grooming, which is usually how you look at social behavior in primates. That's how they bond. So they relieve stress and that they help each other with hygiene there's this push poll I help you remove those bugs you help me remove by bucks right. Males don't spend very much time grooming. Each other makes sense. They're probably rivals. They don't want to help each other, but they do groom with females even ones. Who are not currently fertile? Who are currently with a child from a different? Individual so they they do it not just right when it might result in sex. So they looked at two, hundred, seventy, seven males, two, hundred, sixty, five females they looked at the strength of the bonds in their inner circle basically just by the time grooming each other. They found that both sexes have benefit from strong social ties. And they the males specifically live longer lives if they're socially connected. And that males that maintain strong female friendships were twenty eight percent more likely to make it to their next birthday. Than ones that were socially isolated, very dramatic way of putting it but Yeah. So it has a very, it's a strong indicator. So of course, more week, work needs to be done to look at how those links have is it causal is correlated. and. Then if it is causal how bonds specifically affect physiology in lengthen license is there a physiological change? Is it all hormonal or mental though these are all? in. So this is bring it way back saying that it does seem like friendship has evolutionary roots very far down definitely in the primate family tree probably in the Mammalian family tree. I? Bet You could go further but yeah, it's in. I immediately think stress. That an animal group that's not a solitary one is it's stress heartless stress hormones will be reduced if they are having physical contact with other individuals whether or not they're getting reproduction out of it and I would imagine it also helps strengthen the bonds within the social group as a whole you know. So they've got their local their little band of babboons. You know that that they're troop that they rely on and. If you are involved in a mutual grooming relationship, a friendship with other individuals you're going to be able to rely on those individuals. Is there a food shortage is something dangerous? Is something happened there is that under current of troop trust that I think like that and that also goes back to stress. It probably would reduce stress. It maintains those bonds and I would I would imagine it probably allows everyone to be cool. Yeah and live together. Yeah. So. Yeah. Well, I know very violent. That's a stress based society. Asked, or not mutually groom when we're on Mars. Yeah, they should. mean it also. I was never a girly girl growing up I didn't really have any female friends and then I got to college ahead all these female friends and the first time I had a another girl braid, my hair or like with my hair. The thinking back on it as with the science hat on. It was it could only be just a rush of positive hormones just like a flood of dopamine or something I don't know but it was it feels really good and it just feels like you're being like taking care of space that you can't see I. Don't know it's. It's really hard for me to describe but it is what girls Brady shoulders air. There's a reason for that. I would guess it has something to do with this. But. I. Think about it from the babboons but also with humans especially in Cova times when Ron allowed to touch each other. I think. Something very similar to that With a significant other who basically pinned me down and clipped my nose here. I WANNA go I don't WanNa do stay still stay still this has to be done. Who? You. New. Okay Kurt. Good good good helping it sounded like. That was the right Emma anyway moving on from a reducing stress to fear. Pretty simple story just looking at. The Institute of Marine Biodiversity. Exploitation. `conservation looking at the impact of humans on how wild animals respond to predators? And sometimes, it takes a little bit of science being done to confirm what I'm sure. We all would have guessed, which is the more animals come into contact with humans. That could be through captivity domestication organization. They, stop avoiding predators, their babies like vigilance freezing and fleeing they all start to deteriorate. They analyzers ultra hundred and seventy three peer reviewed studies They looked at Anti Predator traits of both behavioral and physiological. They were looking at long term evolutionary changes as well in one hundred and two species. domestic. Captive an urbanized mammals, birds, reptiles, fish ball. So this is a pretty big swath of life that we're looking at here in terms of animals. They found that contact with human overall lead to a loss of anti Predator traits. Simultaneously. The variability between individuals. Increases and decreases in generations in contact with the human. So. Basically, the human comes in reduces presh- pressure from natural selection because they're kind of letting everybody survive. and. Then think about like dog breeds of them that are so their whole lives in the doctor's office because of traits that were allowed to continue that could have been a problem right So they reduced pressure. So that allows them to kind of radiate. In then After that then they they've kind of started to be selected for being docile or domesticated so. They had almost immediate changes in responses in the first generation after contact with humans. So the initial response is all behavioral and then genetic changes come later on of course. So. Herb, domesticated animals, they're anti Predator responses started to disappear three times faster than urbanize animals. So that makes sense you're talking about. A dog versus a pigeon. So. Definitely. Animals that live in your home are domesticated are cattle things like back at they are being selected for, and they are dependent on humans to survive. Urbanized animals are not being intentionally selected for by humans and they also use humans to help them survive but could survive without them. So it's kind of a different thing and then captivity actually had the slowest changes, which is great because that's where endangered species that are being bred to be released into the wild. So this is actually great news. Also herbivores apparently changed behavior more quickly than carnivores. And solitary species. Group loving animals. Yeah. So the the solitary versus group loving that should drive because group living animals have versions of themselves to gauge how they act. But if you take a solitary species and you bring them home, they think they are you. They don't have another version of them to. Compare to compare they think. Of whatever they're around so that would make sense So obviously like I don't do like cats think they are me though Right. But now nightmare. That they are humans in charge of your household yes. Exactly. Yeah, there's a hierarchy, but they thing you're all the same species. The so obviously, any Predator behaviors can be a huge problem. is they don't run away get eaten. And so there's a lot of implications for conservation Captive breeding programs like I mentioned livestock management. So this is an important study because I think the first thing that I took away was what I said like great. Awesome. Captive breeding is the. Is the lowest impact. So let's just keep trying to reduce as much of that impact as we can if trying to capture breed animals for later release into the wild, that's excellent. But this also a reminder I brought this because a few weeks ago someone had asked about feeding wild animals on your porch. That is exactly what we're talking about here with urbanized animals. So if you get them used to humans than they might get eaten. Is Yes. It really is that you want them to be a wild animal do wild animal things because that attributes to more than just their diet it attributed to how they're gonNA react if they see a coyote or mountain line so. It it's part of the overall survival of these animals is making sure that the only ones getting this intense. Specified selected contact by humans are species that we intend to live with us forever hence domesticated species fact. Though. Cool. This is it's interesting. I want to ask. I'm to ask you real quick question which one. Got The Predator response. Reduced quicker. was A it was a carnivore versus vegetarian. Urban Voice did over force yeah reduced faster. Okay. Okay their guard down. Which? Is Interesting. because. You. Made me. Think of it. Made me think of sharks being terrified when there's a present. Because I think if you are if you are a predator. You know another Predator must be terrifying 'cause it's not you're not. Maybe it's not your normal mode of approaching the world you're looking at the world like it's your food. Whereas if your inner before you know other animals might seem more like they're looking at, you like your food. So. There's another piece that don't just throw out there, and it's something that animal lovers don't often like to talk about but a lot of carnivores eat their own. Yep so I think that's part of it too is if you have. No matter how much humans are taking care? If you're a polar bear. You still have to watch out about being eaten by other. Birds. I think that's kind of like the the big secret about those charismatic Nevada. Belly. You each other each other because meat is meat. Yep. That's. An interesting thought. Fascinating. Justin did you have any stories? Oh. Yeah actually. Somewhere a okay. Yeah. This is from four Stewart who is associate professor of Sociology in Stanford School of Humanities and Sciences. He worked with some researchers at. University of Chicago. Katie Whiten Shannon Morrissey they were looking at how Chicago news organizations cover homicide. In the print. and. They focused on Chicago in twenty sixteen, which is one of the deadliest ears and the nation's third largest city. They had seven hundred, sixty, two people who were homicide. Murdered. Not Fun fact. Chicago has a serious homicide. Problem. In sort of like looking at some of the the sources of where this data was collected. It's pretty grim. But that's just the not fun fact. So this study was just published in the Journal sociology racing ethnicity would they basically did was they looked at? How people are written up after they have died after they have been murdered in the little blurbs. Of the local newspapers and they found a disparity? Were written up based on race so they. To here's the Disparities extended to the City's Hispanic Hispanic-majority neighborhoods and black majority neighborhoods versus the white majority neighborhoods Chicago sort of interesting place because it is a basically, it's a third. African American a third? Hispanic. In third cash you would think this would be a very sort of place that you would have this blended pool of being able to see. A sort of Maybe uniform approach however, despite the the the makeup of the city, it is still very segregated city there are. Vast majority of black vast majority. White neighborhoods is majority Hispanic neighborhoods as well. So despite its diversity Chicago remains a very segregated community. Basically, this was this was something that. Stewart had come back about because he had been looking at there was. A Jacob. Blake. As sister said something and Inter interesting and interview. When she said and when you say the name Jacob Lake. Make sure you say make sure you say cousin make sure you say son make sure you stay. In effort to humanize a not allow about attack to be a statistic. and. So he's sort of got interested in this and started looking into. How press covers these things That you can buy so. Quoting. According to air as a as a social scientist I thought, wouldn't it be even more powerful to quantify the value with different folks lives different racial identities and backgrounds in news coverage in hold those up next to each. Though this is how you came about focusing in than on Chicago at, which has a few databases that list everyone. Who would who has been? Murdered inner city and has a couple of places where they actually have been linked to where this has been reported in the news. They examined two, thousand, two, hundred and forty five news articles about homicide victims. They looked at how much coverage each person received considering factors like word count and which articles recognized. Someone is more than a name victim. But as a complex, mostly dimensional human being mentioning family immunity connections there were articles some which were they did interviews with other people in that person's life. They cross references also with Chicago Police Department public records there now insist determined that about thirty five percent of murder victims in majority white neighborhoods or likely to be covered as a complex person. that is double the amount and majority black neighborhoods which seventeen percent and Hispanic neighborhoods, which was eighteen percent homicide victims and majority. White neighborhoods received about four hundred, fifty words more of text on average than those killed a majority black neighborhoods researchers found that black victims names or sometimes misspelled had transposed letters in the news reports. Even just reading the news articles. MORRISSEY WHOSE OUT OF CHICAGO Even just reading the news articles there was a palpable difference in the way victims and neighborhoods were talked about this paper does well to remind us that the disparities aren't neighborhood and community level. So they differentiated between articles that simply listed the victim in weekend review of homicides and more nuanced articles that tried to capture an individual's lattes. There were other articles especially about victims for majority white neighborhoods where the reporters were doing interviews with family members and friends, teachers, coaches, all sorts of people in the victim's life. And they were providing quotes said White. Whose University of Chicago, they talked about the victim in a very different way like this complex person who has value and who's being missed by the community family members and friends. So. Stewart. The end saying here, raise isn't just your. Typical coloring races, a series of historic economic, symbolic, importantly geographical set of power relations where some people are stigmatized and rendered powerless or less powerful. These are systems of domination. So even you know when when, when we have had these conversations about what is a systematic racism what is what is an institutional racism looks like? Here's a pretty good example. The just the way that the community is reporting on the victims of homicide had. Eight of racial bias to it has a huge bias and I think there are many examples there've been people. Within media who have often said, make sure you look at the verbs at that how how the headlines of stories are even worded because the way that they're either passive or active voice the headlines are worded in a way that make you immediately emotionally jumped to a certain conclusion and then like all these bits of evidence that you've brought in through this story, it's yeah it's part of that systemic disenfranchisement telling a different story. Yeah there was a really interesting article actually from NPR back in June. About how black victims are usually called unarmed black men specifically. The phrase which it actually has implied by saying that. Young black men are expected to be armed and dangerous, and so there there's actually a something that NPR wasn't even aware of they had to be educated and they enter released this article and say that they were going to change the way that they did this because if a victim is white, they're not on our our white person. Yeah. So it's yeah there's definitely something there that sometimes it's so baked in that even trying to be just the most impartial inclusive you it's still there. Yeah. No, that's a fascinating when the Dow never occurred to me but yeah, unarmed black man we've heard this phraseology over many times assured a lot of these. These these reports? You don't hear about the. Like Oh, they're actually indicating that they. was. And, this series go by that was an innocent black man because they were not armed as as I. Would have been then it would have been acceptable. Right or location that that is somehow an outlier from the expectation. Right yeah totals. Are Words matter and I think the point with this particular study's really interesting that Chicago you would you would think since it is fairly Easily divided. Usually immigrated. Integrated. That's that's the big. Kicker kind of there but. In the. Past Anchorage. Yeah. This one of journalism which is supposed to be impartial supposed to be in that active voice. Telling the stories of the community when when you have this system that is designed to be unbiased in its rare recounting. Of Events and things taking place, and then you find that layer of bias. POW Publi in the words the researchers obviously. That's that's like the definition of an institutional. Racism or bias that that that the journalists doing this. It's not like they're like, Oh, I'm going to intentionally specifically. Referred to the this person be at the way they died because of their race differently than I it's it's that that hidden bias that is worse in a way because that rate continues without even the person offering it necessarily recognizing that it's taking place. So hopefully. Now, now this has been done in one city. It doesn't mean that Chicago is an outlier. Yeah. If it were to be analyzed across the United States, we would find it everywhere. This? Story get some traction within the. Community. So, that they start to pay attention to the way bias effects, their reporting of. This is this week in science if you like this show. Help us grow our audience telephone to subscribe today. I have a couple of stories before we finish our our here. Let's talk about brains. Brains and how they develop. Yes shall we go there? Yes. Yes. Yes. Let's talk about how brains develop new. Have a baby think Oh, you don't starts out as a little ball of cells that blast assist in the blast assist then has all these cell type that has its genomic map to be able to turn into all the different cell types that the body needs some there's gassed relation body gets gotten then it starts dividing and Oh, look there's like a little head area and a tail area and there's little limbs forming and. Well the shape of the body is taking. SHAPE. There are cells for the different tissues that are taking shape as well. Neurons start to grow that start connecting different parts of the body, the brain to the gut, the brain starts to form. Governed talk about the things that? Mothers eat while they are pregnant. Effecting the development of the offspring we often talk about even the things that mothers have put in their bodies leading up to the pregnancy. They drinker where they are smoker. Do they have enough full like acid? All these things that can that we know can potentially affect. That young baby well, questions have arisen as to whether or not. Microbes have any impact into that brain development. And you might think wait a minute is microbes what because okay. We know there's the placental barrier right? There's the placenta it mingles the MOMS blood's blood supply with the babies but it's a barrier kind of like the blood brain barrier in its supposed to kind of let nutrients pass through but it's very specialized organ to support the growth of the baby. So. It's the nutrients come from the blood of the mother to feed the developing embryo. How good the? Microbes be involved. Why would they be involved? Well, some researchers just published a paper in nature this week reporting that when they took microbes away from pregnant mice started out with germ free mice, no microbes or mice, they gave antibiotics to. The offspring of those. Mothers. The brains did not. Develop in the same way as. The mothers that had a normal microbial population. Didn't did not develop the same way. So they had. They had behavioral abnormalities they responded to Stimuli scary stimuli differently, and they also saw that the. Exxon's the actual parts of the neurons that connect the neurons from one place to another. There were smaller they were shorter they were stunted. They were not growing to the extent that they should have. They didn't group in X. Zonal Bundles, the way that they should have and. In these groupings it's called the internal capsule in the brain of mice in which they did. These studies were thinner. than. Embryos for mothers that had a normal microbiome. Lots of genes that were expressed were different as well. So some of the genes wore genes responsible for external development. When they put bacteria back in the probiotics, they were able to offset these neuro developmental abnormalities on. Yeah so they did a bunch of they did a bunch of. Different tests to find out exactly how this was working but. The evidence that they have that they have amassed. In the large parts suggests that there's something. About metabolite molecules that get produced by the got microbiome and that end up in the bloodstream. So it's not like microbes themselves are going into. The babies to change their brain development but there is a change to molecules that are important to nutrition. And those molecules than are also important to the development of a fetus. So, so it's the microbes is this is just It just basically gun with without the right microbes. The mother doesn't get the nutrition that can be passed on to the kid and then. So in this case, these are like malnourished mothers giving birth. Because the mothers are adults and they're doing fine the mothers themselves. For All. I. Own. Hormones like it always does I always the one crying hormones is that like microbes effect hormones right? That was kind of my assumption is that the microbes are somehow impacting hormones that impact development. So the the the question is, how do they affect development? We don't know We know that there are what calling micro biota derived metabolites. So they, they are little bits of proteins. That end up in the bloodstream and they have effects and so whether those effects are to trigger hormones or to trigger. or or to you know what did at what did they trigger? What do they get involved with? We don't know necessarily. Just. Yeah But the specific area of the brain that they did find to be most highly affected in the mice was the the lamb critical sensory relay pathways particularly. In neurons that are involved in heat sound and pressure detection, and so it's a very while it's a broad effect on the brain. There is this particular area of the brain that microbial metabolites seemed to really have an effect on. So the question now is okay we've seen this in mice. What is the? How does how does this change? Does it change in humans it? What is the effect of maternal micro BIOTA 's? In human pregnancy. Up. Dr Justin's Donna Doctor Koop Hill for. Maybe Hey I was just gonNA suggest. The morning show headline is eating your while pregnant going to give you a smarter baby science says, yes. But more so more. So it's not is it going to give you a smarter baby? It's is it going to affect? Abnormalities. So will will we be able to track biomarkers metabolites in the blood of mothers? Can you have a little instead of an insulin stick or whatever can you have a little pinprick kind of thing or a saliva test that you do on a daily or weekly basis when you're pregnant to make sure that your levels of these biomarkers are fine and if the levels of these biomarkers are low than you know that you need to eat yogurt or whatever you know whatever the pro by you know whatever it is that's very cool. Yeah. Yeah. So there are there definitely directions this could go towards. Very beneficially affecting the developmental. Brain health. Babies. I think all the time about how there is a a period of time when. Modern medicine was throw antibiotics at it. And then we kind of discovered like maybe. But now I'm kind of picturing the opposite now where it's throwback to your yet. Yeah. But I'm on the other side of that Blair. While you're pregnant. If bag area have such a big effect on brain development. Antibiotics while you're pregnant. That is maybe maybe that's a last ditch kind of thing like you only do that when you really can't get rid of something. You know I mean what this implies is that the That bacterial populations are very important for fetal. Development? or at least if you're going to do in anybody will pregnant have a prebiotic backup plan for reading writing after? Yes. Your. Cult on your way out. Go to the Doctor Justin's not a real doctor Poo pills come and whatever else. That's right. Yeah. It's very, very exciting. Indefinitely going to push forward on more research surrounding this because it's so interesting my last story. Has To do with reality. And how we really really know what's Real There have you have you ever experienced kind of an out of body experience or a feeling of detachment from reality. there's a way. Reality. Fell for the things going on around you. There Dissociate of disorders are disorders that are common resulting from trauma or beauce. Ketamine is a drug that can lead to dissociation. DISSOCIATION can also occur in epilepsy, but it is dissociation is. It is a known affect that happens and we've never really known why it happens. We know that brain rhythms change. There's been a lot of work into areas but again. A new study in nature describes. A study that researchers. Did using a bunch of different drugs and looking at how the brains of mice responded to a bunch of different drugs. They looked at sedatives and aesthetics hallucinate who hallucinogenic drugs LSD they looked at ketamine and cycling dies Philippine drugs that induce dissociation on purpose. And they went digging around to see using a technique called Whitefield calcium imaging to look for changes in frequency rates in brain rhythms. So Howard how what was the pulsing rhythm of the activation of neurons and various areas of the brain And they found that all of the dissociate of drugs. Made Oscillations happen at about one, two, three hurts. So very low low frequency one, two three hurts in an area of the the mouse brain called the retro spleen you'll cortex. And this is an area that's involved in episodic memory being able to remember all the details of an event navigation is this. This is important for other cognitive also. And other drugs did not. So like LSD didn't trigger the retrospect lineal CORTEX no dissociation hallucination. Yes but not. The Retro Cortex was not activated so they were. Record Yourself. Like. Your air. You're right. They're still in reality. So these researchers looked at the cells. Using what's called two photon imaging and they found that the cells in the rhetoric spleen cortex. Were restricted to a really small area. Layer five of the retrospective cortex only the cells in this little layer layer five. and. They saw the the neural activity takes place Ketamine caused a disconnect from a number of different brain areas so that they didn't communicate with the CORTEX, the rhetoric lineal cortex anymore however. They wanted to know whether the retrospect lineal. Its own by itself could cause that disconnect. That disassociation that ketamine caused and so they used Opted up up up opted genetics what it is. Yes. Anyway. They used to these to protect proteins that are sensitive to light and rechannel redemption. They got one neurons. To respond to blue light another neuron to respond to yellow light blue light turned the neurons on yellow light turn them off, and so they alternated the neurons using light in this three hurts range. So they basically artificially pumped in blue and yellow light to the top of the mouse brain beep beep boop. BOOP turned it on and off and on and off and Low and behold, they actually caused the dissociated effect in. The brain of the mouse. They watched it happen. Then, they're like, this is not enough what about people can we need people and so they tried this in people's stimulating a similar area of the brain. We don't have the retrospect Lino cortex in in our brain but they were able to look at the deep post-euro medial cortex and in a person who has epilepsy and they were able they had a electrodes already implanted in their brains, and so they stimulated those electrodes and were able to cause dissociation in the person. Using the same frequency. So the person was awake because usually when they do these epilepsy experiments. A person you? The person's awake and responding to things, and so they could say, okay, we're going to turn on the the electricity. Now let us know if anything happens and then the person can say Whoa I. Feel like I'm having an out of body experience I feel really weird. It's other the the patient that they were able to experiment on in this three hurts rhythm. It worked. So. Yeah. So the question is now, can we induce dissociated states in people more broadly? Would we want to? Do that one of the questions about ketamine it's been found to have antidepressant affects and can be very helpful for other mental health reasons. And so without giving somebody a drug, could you actually stimulate these effects? Could you instead of having somebody go to? A a clinic and take the drug on a monthly basis which could be very difficult. Maybe implant electrodes kind of like a pacemaker. That would stimulate this effect on a regular basis and then have the antidepressant effects. This is just Hypothetical the other question though that I think is really interesting is why do we have an area of the brain that has evolved to associate our consciousness? Our physical body to like reality. Why do we have a part of the brain that if it does a certain activation we have dissociation is it because we have to survive you know we we see associative affects because of trauma and other. Is. It is this because we are survival based species has it evolved? White man white mice have something similar. Why do we as mammals have a part of the brain? For dissociation. I wonder if as the brain gets larger and you become more aware of what's going on around you and what is happening to you write your overall you're getting more intelligent, which helps you survive but also means that you're more susceptible to trauma. He's you're more aware. I think that's the the other way round. Wouldn't it be that? This means that there's a part of the brain that's required for us to even associated ourselves with ourselves like that's function. That's not the. Thing you had to have this workaround to socio things that are going on. There's an on switch. Switch it's my again. It's not built into. To make us disassociate. It's that's how we even associate with ourselves in the first place. That's what it's doing without it. Sort of observers interested being going on. To See. I'd love to see more studies kind of looking at the. The neuropsychiatric side of it kind of Oliver Sacks style of people who have had damage to that area of their brain, and how does that affect their ability to associate their body with their with themselves to associate their surroundings with themselves Yeah. I think that would I'd love to see that evidence. I'm convinced that the brain's main function is to take all these disparate parts of an organism and make them function together. The analogy often used. If your body didn't punish you, you wouldn't notice each. If you didn't you wouldn't get hungry if your brain be like, okay. Negative response if you have to overcome it by doing this, that's how controls otherwise absolutely stupid. What would be brainless entity into serve enforcing this thing to survive in the forcing is associated with ourselves is an important thing. To be successful and as fast as Fatah says in the chat room an extension of this is also potentially the ability to have any sort of abstract thought beyond the present moment. It's all very interesting and yeah is there is this part of the brain is that one part of the brain the thing that ties us to reality? Is it. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a real reality since ties to the reality that we assume the one that we're terrible reality that we produce in our head. We're at the end of the show. Thank you for sticking with us. This has been a wonderfully fun and long show and speaking of reality Yeah. Final thoughts for this show we don't have a question for the end of the show tonight. If you have a question for us, please send me an email Kirstin at this week in science dot Com or leave a message on facebook. 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"Live from NPR news. I'm Nora Raum cooped up. Americans return to beaches parks and bars this weekend. Even as Johns Hopkins University confirmed the. Us death toll from the Corona virus climbed nearly ninety thousand as NPR's Joel rose reports. The Secretary of Health and Human Services says so far authorities are not seeing spikes corona virus infections in states. That are reopening. Hhs Secretary as are told CNN state of the Union that federal authorities are watching the number of new corona virus cases closely. We are seeing that in areas that are opening We're not seeing the spike in cases. we still see spikes in some areas that are in fact closed but as our cautioned that it's still early days and that it will take time for the data to come in from states like Georgia Florida and Colorado that moved quickly to lift restrictions as our said. It should be up to local governments to decide how and when to reopen public health. Experts warned that it's impossible to reopen the country safely without more aggressive testing and widespread contact tracing for people who test positive. Joel rose. Npr News. House Speaker Nancy. Pelosi was also a guest on CNN state of the Union. She said the president's decision to replace the State Department's Inspector General may be unlawful if it's in retaliation for an investigation congressional. Democrats say they believe. Steve Link was looking into possible wrongdoing by Secretary of state. Mike pompeo tropical storm. Arthur is slowly churning near the east coast. It's the first named storm of the Atlantic hurricane season. Npr's Jason Slot can reports a tropical storm warning is in effect for parts of North Carolina though Arthur's predicted to remain offshore heavy rains and storm force winds predicted in coastal North Carolina overnight and Monday with forecasters expecting as much as three inches of rain. This is the sixth straight year. A name storm has formed before hurricane season officially begins on June first. Npr's Jason Slatkin an unprecedented war crimes. Trial resumes Monday in the German city of Koblenz. The Syrian defendants are charged with torturing prisoners under the rule of Syrian President Bush El-Saad NPR's Deborah Amos reports in this landmark criminal. Trial the main defendant. A former Syrian intelligence officer stands accused of torture murder and sexual assault. He's expected to give his first statement to the court on Monday last month when the trial opened the indictment included the testimony of dozens of Syrian survivors says Patrick croker attorney for the plaintiffs and it was read out one horrible crime after the other and the accused were sitting right there. It made us all aware again of what is actually at stake. Here at stake says croker is an examination of state sponsored torture in Syria which the regime has long denied Deborah Amos. Npr news this is NPR news. The world's largest lockdown due to the pandemic is being extended for another two weeks in India. Do expire this weekend. The government is ordering all schools hotels. Airports and restaurants closed through may thirty first India has had about three thousand deaths from cove nineteen in a population of nearly one point four billion London. Police arrested nineteen people in Hyde Park this weekend during a protest against the UK's continued lockdown NPR's Frank Langfitt reports became too high pork speakers corner traditional site for public speeches to criticize the lockdown on various grounds. Some complained they needed to work others were conspiracy theorists including ANTIBAC- sers who doubted the size of the UK's Corona virus death toll which is the highest in Europe and some seem determined for the police to arrest them including this man who were Blue Hood no mask and refused to leave arrest. Eventually he was the government is still urging people not to gather in parks while the protests received attention on social media the protesters represent at most a tiny minority of Britain's polls show the vast majority have supported the lockdown Frank Langfitt. Npr News. London Graceland is reopening Thursday. The tourist attraction dedicated to the late singer. Elvis Presley has been closed since March because of the pandemic. It usually attracts more than six hundred thousand visitors. Each year. Gracelands management says it's decreasing tours to twenty five percent capacity requiring employees to wear face masks encouraging visitors through the same and providing temperature checks. I'm Nora Raum NPR news.

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E37 Andrew Croker

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E37 Andrew Croker

"Hello I'm Richard Gillis welcome to the final unofficial podcast of twenty nine thousand nine this week and Sean went to Wimbledon to me. Andrew croker celebrity home overlooking the common talking to Andrew about his career is like a tour of the sports business over the last forty years people by cast of characters Erickson including mark McCormack Rupert Murdoch and lend bullivant nick among many many others. He's a great storyteller and I'm sure you'll enjoy the next hour or so. In his company we ended up in mills private dining room with Lachlan and James and report pitching we within trying to sell sport or for Sunday's of millions as mentioned this is the final part for twenty nine teen and we'll be back in the first week of January with the first unofficial partner of two thousand twenty. We got some brilliant in guests lined up for the next year and big plans for some live recordings which will share with you. And you course until then myself Sean. And the rest of the unofficial not want to thank you for your company over the course of this year and wish all our regular listeners and merry Christmas a prosperous and safe New Year his Andrew Croker. So we're here with Andrew croker. Now the reason we're here there's lots of reasons but we've done about forty podcast in forty weeks Andrew and the number of times that your name in comes up from various sources and I thought well. Why don't you just taught the blow himself so that's why we're here? Thank you for inviting us your lovely house here. We are looking what. How is that Eighteenth Wimbledon common very nice beautiful sunny day and the cab drivers who coming down said? I don't know the numbers. If they don't have numbers so he was. He said I didn't come down very often. But thank you anyway. Your career has got a number of jumping off points which we're going to go through but some of the stories that we're telling today are you can tell through your your your career and there there are moments which will dwell on as we go through but people have a certain vintage will know your Dad Ted croker and I'm wondering if it was inevitable that e went into sport is that is that true is that it was always going to happen. I don't think so my father Who died twenty years ago now and was became moves secretary but then became general secretary of the FAA and he was appointed in nineteen seventy three and and we grew up in Cheltenham. Then there was very little football on television. He had though he had been a professional footballer and played for John Lewis letting most of the people and he'd also been a pilot at the end of the war and extorting he'd gone off a bit in industrialised and he was somebody who really lived in the past in any way so we had no connection with football disposing disposing business. And the age of twenty. I was University of dropped out and I decided that becoming accountants was probably the best way to keep Martians Open. Because I haven't got any idea what I wanted to do. And so I was relocating to London. In the summer of ninety seventy three and unknown to me my father who had been on a flight to Spain because he was in the concrete business it was reading the tea and he'd seen an ad for the to be sexually the FAA. And I think he was just a little bit fed up with corporate life. He was then in his late forties and he said he applied for the job. Didn't tell my mother for some time. They didn't tell me right so the the end when he got the job and sopa purely by coincidence are arrived in London in August. Nineteen seventy-three and I'm pig in the counterpoint. Why then salary six hundred pounds? A year had nowhere to live. But majorly likes to gate which was then it will remember was of of the the FAA There was a flat came with job so on moved into the FAA and so for four years on had hot keys. And I used to come in and Part the CARNE lived lived rent free in this flat with my dad above the FAA. And he would go downstairs to flaws to work in the morning the couple really on the weekends he went back to into Cheltenham and then and it was a different world but I was then immediately completely immersed me. We were three nights a week so I was every boardroom of every football club and then he also also handle this interaction with the other sports in the guys from from Wimbledon and having of these world and and the rugby people arrested so I just got to meet everybody and at the same time my mate from Chelm who was sort of just about a school with John Watts who still works in sports and it's one of the best directors. He was distorted internship at the BBC radio and then he got into the sport and we became great mates and through him. I got to meet people on the other side of it the people. Oh who worked for the ITV's Paul BBC Sport then and solar just just one thing led to another. So was it inevitable. I would work in sport. What may be my me? And my first job qualify went to work for ladbrokes in answering Uxbridge in Bingo halls of social clubs in Aintree dot tracks in the end. It was great fun so it was really. Maybe it was inevitable once I got into it but it was a different world been in terms of opportunities to work sports. Sort of appointment of your dad. Just finish that off it was the FAA he was a successful businessman and the FA wanted to be more businesslike. Is that they want to have that. Bring that expertise. There's no question catalysts for him getting the job. The incumbent was alkyl Dennis follows who some remember and I don't hardacre was his was fully as follows was it was a former bowker. which is the airline policy? He was a trade union guy really and he was very old school and I think they just felt that we were many years away from from Sky TV and other things that he needed a fresh look and the more commercial outlook and and because also my father had played he he was a direct contemporary. If people like Malcolm Allison those other people say and you say he had instant sort of credibility with those people and Which helped him enormously sleep and he was also? He was a very rounded small individual and am very well. Light teams quite media savvy them and he was he was great fun and the the the sort of when you look at the FA today that same impulse is still there. Is I mean you. You can see in the appointments of people that they're they a pick to run the thing they're still trying to balance those you know the broader fa with the commercial expertise some multi lend for example companion Muslim. But there is a you can see a line of thought there I think he has changed so radically starting from the relationship with say the secretary of the chairman of that's changed aged honestly in every organization and I think we could do separate focused on choosing chief executives of sports organizations where I think there have been some high profile disasters and some high profile successes. I I do things very old the way that we don't really have a very clear succession. You look at some David instead the NBA had Adam silver was working for him for thirteen years. There's a natural succession. I remember once Saint Jonathan Hill. Who worked at the FA? You said if you ever want to be chief executive at your best chance is to leave and apply could because internally you just that's not how it works and says fascinating the Richard masses now got job Riley after eighteen months after a process that I think most people would describe as fairly chaotic. But also it's interesting on. That question is the aspiration ratio. What what that process tells you about the people who are making the decision what they want what? They're projecting onto a person outside they don't see internally something in that isn't it. Yes I it's real generalization but I think quite often organizations focus on on May long-term appointments for short term reasons. Is I remember you know if you suddenly your biggest problem and challenge facing for example the Premier League is the biggest challenge is how we're going to keep revenues and broadcast revenues high. Therefore you think you need somebody who is digital will do you need some digital or or do you say actually there's a whole bunch of people work at the previously. They've been doing this for ten years. They know every single possible way. You can cut the pie up. What you need is a chief executive and what you need is a gentleman because the role is managing all these disparate people? It's the government. The police the football league UEFA fever. You name it. And then you've got your twenty shareholders who are fairly entertaining charismatic bunch and what you need is a CEO who can manage that and pull those things together. And I'm not necessarily sure we'll just say actually what we need is somebody who's worked in digital broadcast is necessary. I don't connect the two things and that's probably why they didn't give Richard Moss's talking personally. But that's why the the commercial person quite often doesn't get the job because they they're seen as a bit narrower than your your defined definition of a chief executive may be true but more balloons gall job of the FA and I think if you have worked internally in an organization irrespective of which bitter that you work in you know how it works. You know the issues you face with governance issues you face with combs with P. R. With management. I mean my follow she said the FA how brilliant job he did it was. Do we qualify for the World Cup and if you qualify for the world can you do. Well you're doing a great job and we. We didn't qualify seventy twenty four so when my father arrived Alf. Ramsay was still the manager and the first game we went to September. Seventy-three was England. Poland one all-wheel remember it and then my father's I always tasks was to oversee south leaving and then the appointment Don revie so that. That's that's quite a challenge. And then he knows I can't remember exactly but the groups we got those you could. You could find yourself in the qualifying group with West Germany as well. So we didn't go to seventy four all seventy eight world cups and that's what you are measured by and oversee then after that way too We did so. It's that's how you will will always be judged. I think if you run the the national tells you see right now the FA. There's a real buzz about the national team. We're playing well. The women's team's doing fantastically well young young players coming through so the rest of it is juggling stuff and making stuff happen and there's a lot behind the scenes but you were always judged by the performance of the national team. Yeah yeah so being charged when when winning success happens helps claiming credit. Think okay. I'm Jay let's just jump forward because you there's a whole raft of things that you involved in actually not. It's not going to Orangey so quickly. I WANNA talk about B Sky B. Yeah how did you end up there. And what did you sort of. I've learned from that experience because that you're just land us in that world. Yup moment well I'd been involved with Chile to productions which was up fear of a certain age you remember windy. Channel launched in Nineteen eighty-two American Football Institution on Nicky Horne Malls Aitken. The whole thing Sunday night at the music. John Smith Everything Fron van so I. I joined cheerleader. After got that Channel Four contract because she wasn't GonNa do any sport. agok dairy brandon had persuaded Jeremy Isaacs. They should do some sport and let's come up with something alternative tentative which was nfl recorded mash the daytime show and live English basketball and they knew a cheerleader that they needed to do something else. Because you couldn't just have all your eggs in that Channel Bosque exhibiting together commission. That was the end of the business so my job. My join was to develop business elsewhere and the first two things enough we went off and did Started producing highlight shows which was West Nile Ian. Patrick Nali many listeners who recall and the other one which is very tiny. It was a GEICO mark. Walters started and he'd got the rights to Syria around the world so he needed to make a weekly highlight show. So I produced a made this week. These weekly highlight shows. There's an oddball tireless. Do the commentary. Who We've been onto? Have what exactly whatever happened to Mr Tyler and and so I did that and it was enormous fun and then my my father said to me I remember one day said if you need these guys at BSP because it was then yeah because there were two different things. So I said now I didn't know so that would be eighty seven and he said well they came to see me. They're going to be doing all this stuff and I said all right so I went off and I got myself in front of them. They're impart lane then and I said on a pitch them an idea of how they do sport because they weren't actually planning to spawn very little title so I pitched them an idea and they said actually that's conscious he said. But why don't you money you come work for us. To always employee number five live we then relocated to Marco Polo building down by Betsy Power Station and one thing led to another so it started off his. Could you do two hours of sport tonight and literally within a matter of weeks it was Jimmy getting four hours. Then do you think we could do eight. And then actually what I would do channel and we'll fill it all up so I said yeah so I found myself as as head of sport at BSP and we had a thing called the sports channel and so we started and without question one of the most interesting things I ever digs is our member of the day. I did IT I. I got a piece of paper for a rope with a ruler and a pencil. A weekly schedule with our slots in it. And I'll put it in a photocopying our press fifty to got the whole punch. Put them in a ring binder and I said right and it was literally a blank sheet of paper. What the hell are we going to do? And then started having conversations and to cut a long story short short we did we we did until ironically with the FAA we pitch for FA Cup FA Cup. We thought well we need Scotland's still was obviously then still now pa the union so we we add Scottish League football and we thought all right. We need an English Scottish commentary team so we got Martin Andy Gray and off we went and we had all sorts. Salsa conversations with Barry hearn Olly Croft and all sorts rugby league and cricket and we filled the Shenzhou and a lot of people think that Sky Sports sports started a scar spores. But it didn't really because Murdoch then come from nowhere to put on astro sky his cheapen chauvel version of sky in all worth and we with Roy money at it down in Bazzi and so we had the sports journal and we had the weekly to head of news but then we didn't have a budget to do new so we can then and he became effectively head of sport and and then when the infamous merger happens meadow got rid of yours for which had been his sports channel on Astro and the sports channel was rebranded. I mean the JOE was made. I think our original full year budget was thirty. Five million we were using. I'm Jay to provide programming programming and because a lot of people who was going to be a demand problem actually it was a supply problem because the infamous square remember. It's smart to be square. They won't see small career for techies thing work. And if you've still got one now you probably use you as a bird type because it was hopeless and we reckoned in the first year of broadcasting the number review as we had it would have been cheaper. Actually send every viewer to every single event that we've covered the super bowl and the rest of it but I had an enormous amount of fun from there because it was creating channel CRATIA channel. Identity hiring talent Doing rights deals and it was. It was a brave new world. I loved it. I mean not my like my career has always been startups. I mean I've never had a job that I inherited from anybody else. It's always been the blank sheet. Two pipeline loved the photo carpenter is GonNa make something happen here and Murdoch at that point so this is pre primarily. Oh yes yeah. Yeah I mean this is this is pretty well documented. This was betting the ranch on this and nearly I mean that merger happening he was is right and you have to admire. It seems to be characteristic of those sort of people that they are prepared to the ranch and he was he was betting. The ranch on making pay-tv pay-tv work which of course in the end he did. But you know you remember that the dark days of Scott when they the only revenue source habits from the coffee machine. I mean it was not you know anyone goes back and reads the history of these things it was it was a it was a challenge from there. Then is that just on just pausing on cheerleader. Really differ second. We saw that too. But I mean I remember that very own that generation where I can I can remember channel four and I really got into American foot when away the and then when it went off. Geno foyer and I'm not into it now. No and I'm sometimes wonder why and it was. Almost it's like there was a sort of it was television product. There was a sort of exoticism to get to know people from a distance the Fridge John Regan Dan Marino types when they started to come over to London play. The the sort of magic cited dissipate for me and it became. What's funny because of listening to your Henry Chapel? PODCAST talk about do American sports work over here and I think that the things we had this magic when we started that nobody knew anything about it and it was a brilliant format because if you remember. NFL films these guys going with sixty mill and shooting every game so by the time the following Sunday Sunday came. We'd had we had all footage of every game we had the NFL films stuff. We were then portable is rock music on it and it had it was it was frustrated. And you're right it was the redskins with riggings. It was Chicago bears. It was German Tanna. It was Dan Marino. It was the very sexy teams and all of us but it did become a victim the unsuccessful I remember when we started doing the Super Bowl long people this is going on a date and what else and so the inevitable it became. I think a little bit. The victim of its success is that nobody wants to watch the they. They realize that the long form was nothing like is exciting and of course what was happening was the newspapers were carrying the results. So it was a massive spoiler and it was not but and also served on the back of channel four being brave new world as well and so it it did change and and you know we did baseball and we did other sports. Broadly other American sports here. But I think that was the challenge with NFL. It's very high. I've always taken the view that people want to change the world map. All American sports would like to have a presence around the world. But if you actually look at where the world's Sporty Matt was back then in the eighty s and where it is now which countries have actually really embraced a new sport. You might say basketball's got stronger in China but has cricket really really call honest anywhere new. No probably not has baseball. Probably don't it's actually very hard to get genuine real grassroots support. Offer a sport in a new market. Yeah and also Yes we played basketball here but nobody plays NFL. Because it's just too complicated advocated. And it's the London franchise these conversations as Beginning they they sort of these strands that go back thirty forty fifty years in some cases he's but the NFL franchise compensation is one sort of hardy perennial two we have annually but it is a different type of relationship. I guess isn't it. When you're from MM someone watching a highlight show to then being a redskins fan different bears fan? I suppose still technically I couldn't name a says plan now because I don't follow the team but just because at the time I love the Bears Waco Bob Payton some of you remember from Chicago Pizza Pie Factory. We actually hired him as our present because as we did a sky. NFL show was presented. He was fantastic. You know. We're seeing big agency groups still making that pumped on me in terms of baseball the summer you've had the NFL in town a lot of money still making saint back. Yes I can understand that. And they'll continue to do that but at least now bring you over. Competitive Games makes think does make a huge difference. I I'M GONNA walk sat group with Johnny Hill. Yes which brings us to I N G so he was. He was a new. Were very much involved in a couple of questions. And we're talk. We're into the nineties now. And he said ask him about. I know what you're GONNA say. What do you think he's going to ask me about Mark Viduka on the list? Yeah what else Gazza. He said the fee for Cairo convention or in the way. Let's talk about him up. Well the thing was when I went to a very very very good friend of mine Could in taught who was running I am g outside America at the time also literally got me almost on a bicycle which was another life changing thing and and he had held the view which is fairly obvious that it was. It was bizarre. The number one sports agency the world. I'm Jay was not involved in one. Mm Sport in the world that there had been a hysterical thing where at one point they sent off emission from the US to go South America to write a report. Because I did not on very little presence to be sent off to come to turn South America comeback with a report a report. I remember seeing a copy of flicking through going to get to football. What am I going to war? It was tennis Polo. There was your name but there was no football in it and you thought it just wasn't in their mindset and and so I joined I'm Jay took my partner in Crime Paul Smith who was a legendary sports marketeer. Who would have been working with Frank Lowe with the reason not going to? I was working for Frank. Lowe the advertising bureau who then became autism but at the time he had got a business called the white company changes name to all. I was running that and we tried to bar. CPA which from Gog Alan Callan. Who Was Sports Industry Guru aroo sadly no longer with us and we were that had the commercial rights to the Rugby World Cup and they also under Scottish Odin A? We thought this was a no brainer. But I could. We couldn't get this square peg of we've got future rights of future revenues and a contract into the round hole of how into public route. which was the Holding Company both staff and we got very frustrated and we were trying to this deal for three months and intone ended up doing on the phone in two hours with Alan Callan Liz frustration? And so pulling I'd we're ready to even even even then said to me. We ought to be doing something to football so he said. Why don't you come so I went to? I'm Jay because of the in and we hit the ground running with immediately really we got into the FAA. We're trying to deal with Wembley to create a commercial program and they couldn't do it without Wembley putting their rights in this bizarre is actually actually went back to my father at the FA been when they had the Olympic gallery around the top of Wembley. You're part of the deal for Wembley to build that was the deal with the FAA was the FA seed some brought to light premature advertising to Wembley so the FAA could never put a commercial program together until they put those rights together and to do that. You have to buy Wembley. Therefore they needed to guarantee and as I g we came in put up a guarantee the FA we can't we came up with commercial called total football very very innovative and we created a New England. Commercial Program called team England. We went off. We we sold them. We sold two little words if you remember. The we sold green flagged for the national team and only went and that was an enormous amount. Success and Jonathan Hill was so I was doing that at I N G Jonathan who was our client so he was the commercial director of the FA working on Euro Ninety six which was which is another Enormously fun project including coming up with the idea of the Umbro Cup. We came up with that so I'm an broke up was the idea was and I. I'm going to give Paul Smith most of the credit for this but I'm Patrick Patrick. Little bit is the one who said why not do test of the year before the IOS now. Everybody does it at the Monday toe to everybody. Now does a test event with the Stadia Media Ninety five it was. I'm going to try remember now. Certainly Sweden Japan Brazil England and we played games around the country and it was actually funny. Is that when we sold the rights to the Japan we let them have the sponsored. They had an option on the sponsorship rights. ooh That's do was tell us who the sponsor was that we were going to call it that anyway. The date came and went so with months to go to the tournament when sponsor sorry memory at Multan Polaroid Umbro Said said multi wanted decent. Well Yeah East. How much is it? How much have you got said? I'll give you twenty five thousand. I said done it became the Umbro Cup and they loved and loved it so much that the end of the tournament gives another twenty five because they simply just be the best thing we've ever done so we did the Umbro Cup and it was a great success and that was the forerunner for your eighty six. which is which is a great success and then Jonathan came and joined us after your ninety six because he really was? There wasn't the same job there because he'd been commercial director of your ninety six so so he came over at the same time at I. G McCormack personally had always wanted us to get into play management. And I don't like being the play light manage a business. My background was right. Sky Federation Gospel Ship Guy But managing football as I was taught to me if I went into this or the players bar football football ground it was like you know the bar in Star Wars. I mean to me. I don't it's not my world more and in in the boardroom of Fine Committee David Dana. In my suit fine I can do all that but you put me in that thing. It's just it wasn't me but he was determined that we were going to do this. So what him and I never thought it was a really good fit. And you've only got to read you know. The stories of the Telegraph investigation will sustain on this week. There's always going to be the dark arts in that area. Yeah and I thought I'm g enjoyed and still does an amazing reputation for athlete representation. Yeah representing then be on board top. GOPHERS gophers goes back to Arnold Palmer. The handshake everything like that. The idea then Tronto look after football us which is a different world but he was keen that we should do it so we went tov and we acquired about four or five agents around the world brought them into the fold but trying to manage them was the the challenge. Anyway we had an agent Bernie mandate she was in. He's originally Yugoslav. He'd been based in Australia and Mark Viduka was an Australian gone who it was playing for Dinamo Zagreb but this is the time when then Yugoslavia was a very very tough place to be and there was a guy go to German who was the despotic tick local warlord. Whatever and he was seen as he's boy and he had he had a really tough time? Big Guy many of you remember played for Middlesbrough play for Celtic. That seems like a freight Gemini New Great Player. Lovely gone anyway. He got transferred to Celtic. And then when he got here he just basically I think he may have had a bit of post traumatic stress. He sort of went walkabout and I found myself in the thick of this Jonathan Hill and I found ourselves in Dogrib in the snow with Fergus. McCann who was in the chairman of Celtic in basically a car chase and I remember. I remember the exact with Jonathan. I was sitting in the back of the concept. I actually think this is how I was going to go asset. A set is slow down to tells. It's they know where we're going. We went they ended up having this shuttle diplomacy up and down in this hotel and at one point he he ended up mark in hiding in our house and I was living in poverty and Jim White was doorstep in me and it was all stuff going and I remember unfocused McCain was in Florida whose ring at four in the morning and I remember Joanna saying one of us is going. Is it me or is it mark. I said I said it's Mark Okay and so it was just. It's a funny story now but at the time it was very stressful. It wasn't my world and I didn't know it and I just never thought he was a great fit for. I'm Jay Martin. What is to be? I think it's sort of fizzled out. What was what was McCormack? Like he was extremely guy. I would say that those very briefly I think I work for the two guys who both shaped our industries no question whatsoever the mark shape. The industry streamed so many ways particularly with athlete representation with the infamous and chat with Arnold Palmer and then representing tennis players and that led to other things like for example representing Wimbledon. I also worked for Horst Astle. who had come from the other side was then it was the son of Eddie Dassler? Who founded an horse dassler was? I would say a I would say invented federation marketing with Patrick me. She's ally nine hundred seventy eight. When the First World Cup people wanted to expand the workout handle the money needed commercial income? And they did that. We're creating the soccer four program so mark was a guy and he grew that business and remember one saint-marc we had our famous sort of shooting. Glenn getaways that he was I said to him. I said would you rather be ten percent more profitable ten percent bigger and you will not be any wasn't really sure I mean he. He was not an Ebay doggone. This was this was. This was a different time before private equity. This was when he just wanted to grow. The business have amazing people amazing clients and he disliked being in the business for being in the business and it just wasn't run. I mean he loved the fact that he would get seduced. ACACIA by Wall Street say Arcade Flight Your Business. But he wasn't isn't really. I never sensed he was bullet. I I would say that I'm Jay would have been a different animal if he had been prepared to share more of the equity and the upside with some of his senior people and I think that the great thing which he said as an inbuilt redundancy in what we we do as agents the better job you do for client the more likely you are to get fired so you know you take you pay them guarantee you go out and get sponsors you you do a great job but the next cycle they go. Well we don't need the guarantee because they're going to renew so we don't WanNa pay you that commission we want to pay you less and therefore you have to permanently reinvent yourself and therefore to and to operate in that environment you need to be a real entrepreneur. You need to be risk-taker and as our businesses grown particularly into the new ERA PEOPLE WANNA be compensated in line with the fact that you know. You're the dealmaker. You're an entrepreneur. So I think he saw if you say something like James Erskine Skins typical guy who went off to do. I'm Jay Australia and then left to do his own thing. And you saw Ian Leave and go to Nike and then come back and do other things and I think you you could say that of other guys lower down the organization. That's what we did. I I went to. I'm Jay is a mature student. A lot of people when they're when they young came up through the law department all the finance department. Yeah I went as a mature. I must be nearly forty when our went. So I was a grown-up but I love the experience. Because it was amazing can-do environment there were a lot of agencies for fiddling around and we're making any money but when you walk through I'm Jay. When they went for a piece of work you know we can get this? We will make this work. They had a phenomenal track record record. Sorry to say that the the answer to the sort of the agency dilemma. Their ED redundancy point is ownership presumably is that is that because mccomb it was always. There was an early example. I need to own the event as well in terms of Gulf. That's and then we use and I'm certainly got into. The business of owning Gulf events will match play owning tennis events. There was a logic. Then I think then and there wasn't enough now there would be a lot more scrutiny of people saying Oh you know there's got to be Johnny's walls conflicts of interest but then just making stuff happen and I you think that a lot of people who have invested in sports sports agencies thinks it's about during the due diligence on the contracts that you have in the people you represent but in fact it's about it's about people and advertising agencies used to this The people go down to the left is the talent hines choose to drop your next next next week. And they go to another agency but they'll be pitch piece of business and I think the agency business as he was and clearly that has changed completely now the agency business has this was was very much about people but I'm Jay also had a lot of Ip and things that he owned. Yeah you can see that today. Only obviously we're now now looking at endeavor you know and and that is based on buying will again make bets I guess is the same. The processes is happening. Yes we see. I mean if you say you know in from buying on man certainly endeavour with say UFC which there connected with or yes you can buy assets as agencies now but The world is changing is a good book about McCormick has never been Emini. wrote books himself But there's never been a question on biography. Naught there must be one but I'm learning I think there was a guy is only there was a guy who wrote who he worked with wrote articles and his name was not writer. And that's that's true and I think he. Yeah so when there was a sort of a magazine articles or you know day in the life of Martin. I think outrider was the guy who did that. We always used to get these these monthly notes about his favorite favorite restaurants and things like tips new then had to give the five people. You wanted to send it to Brian. Okay fine so you so do so. He lied to all that but is there. Is there a definitive negative biography. I don't know I mean I think that something. I'll have full about these. A book about the sports industry would be quite interesting one today. All the history of sports business sports marketing surely. Surely you're the man to Toronto. I think yes. That's another story right. Let's go then to. We're now into the nineties and sport five again and and other sort of agency which I want Mitt Janklow Domo and character. What was that speak French? I didn't but he was sort of. Well let me just exactly how it got there. Was it so interesting interlude. which is vaguely topic so in? We're not. We're not unfinished at I M G and the reason I left I'm Jay was Ian Todd goal and there are a lot of changes the management on to a lot of and I come to run. Its course ready for me. That would have an enormous amount of fun doing it. Then I was. It was quite interesting Tom Because I went for the for the only time I've gone for a job that somebody else was already the incumbent I went for the job to as the CEO of the Premier League so it got down to to go down to me and scooter more. And I think they made the right decision. I don't think I would have said he wouldn't have had the stamina and other originated an amazing job and I don't think I could've done as good a job and it's probably not really for me a good thing but I did bounce into sportel. which was the sort of making the leap to the to the brave new world of of New Media Media and sport was ahead of its time because in fact at the end of it I'm G I had also had involvement with new media so we'd gone off and got three website contracts that I'm Jay? Thank you mentioned United Bacelona and Brazil which is back and I told that was going to be springboard for what we would do in digital opposed just a Twa. What he was doing then and then I then went to author where it was all go rob herself and it was hysterical and And we were surfing on this. This bubble the DOT COM Combo absolutely dot Com right in the sweet spot and we had sportel now and we doubt Armand Ba- flying back from a holiday in Capetown so I could gum pitch to the Manati Board to put sport loan the money not sure. Can you imagine and it peaked. For one of the highlights. Lots of my life was was guys New York herself and we to meet Murdoch and we ended up in middle private dining room with Lachlan and James and report pitching Ching. Then trying to sell spoiler for Sunday's of millions and callow police. We're also looking at it. Everything and then of course in early two thousand the bubble burst and even a sport will was categorically a great idea but it was ahead of its time and people were just about still doing dial up and it was it. It was just just wasn't going to get that but it was conceptually. It was the right thing to do and it could have been a great business. And if the bubble had burst maybe we would have got it away and sold it so but I I had big. I was friends with Jerem. Valk who was then he had run sportplus which is part of and accomplice and when I'm Jay one of the things we did was. We went for the overseas rights for Premier League TV and we went and we ended up in a joint venture with Fox which was a guy called Inflict Burger Legend in this day. No longer with us. Wonderful Man Jerome representing us and us as I'm Jay and we actually did. We d the Two cycles that so we did. We did six years of that and I became very good friends with Jerome. who was then running sportplus? Then I agreed with him came on leaving sport although I would if they renewed I would work continue to what was prosper sportplus then integrated with don the infamous gentle Donald Duck Doc and who for sports which was the gym so I found myself then in the early two thousands working for sport five which was great because the French will in Paris. The gyms were in Hamburg. And there's no way I I couldn't work with Donald because we didn't have a common language for start and Jerome then moved off from went to to fever and so I worked with German guards. Were great guys to work with based in Hamburg and then what really happened at sport five was that and that was great fun. I enjoy. It wasn't it was. Let me just get on with what I was doing here. Then what happened was that they wanted they. They were rights traders basically the Germans they bought and sold. TV rights particularly from European Federations European clubs. Now the game. Everybody knows how it works. Go Nova the club's came out of the drawers and Algorithm and arrested and they also did this thing called comprehensive marketing so in Germany they have clubs who they did the entire marketing. for which is something we tried over here but we we couldn't make it work so we've so that got abandoned and then they said rob with these TV rights but we didn't do anything with an and Muniz brave new digital world. What should we be doing so I said Okay right song work on as a project so a worse starting at the end of two thousand six into two two thousand seven? I started to work on this and in my usual way I went off. Met Everybody and it included in that on you saw mundane yet. Because he'd been at until you W roy and he'd left because it wasn't working out and take the few guys who starts up a little business cooling form and then I'd heard about premium TV which which is sort of the full hour then. TRL was still trudging along and was owned by a group of bondholders and being run by almost to Charleston China but only slipper very young and I co called him. I'll never forget needs to do so. I see yeah so I went round to see all the and I just. I don't boost his ego but in my thought Broad Smart Young Guy Anyway so I then sport five was by advent private equity and they were in two thousand seven in the sale process and they were trying to sell spoke five. You're talking about eight hundred eight hundred fifty million euros that's also range in. which they they were selling it and I was trying to get this deal done saying I pitch this idea? I said what you need to do is kicked out this by couple of small companies not suggested these two but this was dealer was going to be fifteen or twenty million pound and I couldn't get any traction while they were despic so process was going early on and also the gym is lit should be in Hamburg French in Paris and I said it has to be in London because that is where it's all going on so it's to cut long story short. I have a great great friend of mine called Michael and opposite. He'd been helping me when I was putting the numbers in the deal together and we. We were sitting in a Fox and grapes which is barely one hundred yards from where we are now and he said to me one Sunday night. I understand why you don't do this yourself. How what I do that and he said well if you build it they will come? He said well. I'm not going to tell you how to do it. And so trump is a short story. I said okay so I came home and I sat in this very office that we city in now and I went through my contacts. An awesome Banker private equity done a private equity deal Everybody who was a candidate and I just started writing emails to contact you. People there was a guy called in west who had worked for sky and Sam Chisholm and was a top up TV and he said go see. See this guy called your Mojo so semi mail so that was a Monday Thursday. I'm standing in your Mohammed's office and he was a providence equity and he was packing his office it was literally had Kabul boxes and his son pitched in the day while he's package office and I said where are you going. He said I'm going to work for access industries WHO's that he said a guy called limbo that next so I said okay so he said when you start he said Monday I said well good luck. Shook hands walked out Friday. He brings this. What do you do Monday morning? I said so eight thirty Monday morning I was in Lens House. He was in his tennis. Kitty just at a tennis and I pitched him the idea in twenty minutes or whatever and he said well that's good. I think we should do that. And I thought that's never gonNA happen so I went back to Simon and all I said well. Yes Oh anything will these things like not like that. Is the color storage show. It all happened so he. We bought Premium TV. We bought informed with put the two businesses together Simon and only became joint. CEO's this is summer two thousand seven. I became chairman and off. We went and that was. That's how it that's how it happened. So it was a sequence of events in lock and and of course ironically advent then sold till I get there and like a bought Sport Five World Sport Group and so the rest is history will see how it all pans out again into a current store. Isn't it yes but I mean does zone is and that that story just feels like a and we were. Obviously we were talking to too early on the podcast last US mob. It just feels like the story of the moment and where and following that. He's going to tell us quite a bit in terms of how the next decade is going to again as a Caribbean trump to hang around intelligent successful people and only in Simon. I think have been genuinely pioneers in despite a never ever settled laurels and the things that you know performed did watching Bet Service Omni sport. There was a lot of innovation and and we were growing because we appealed. And when you when you want Peo- you have to have prophets growth in a story over time in the list of it. I don't think that suited really really lens view of life of being entrepreneurial and fast moving all the rest of it so taking pride which then gave a huge amount flexibility and you can take much longer term view of things you can invest in things and really the then re really to go for it with his own which is which is a huge Aw Changes Direction for business effectively. The old perform B. Two B. Business got sold off to Vista and became staff perform and the entire focus now is on design and designers a business and yesterday's agree I think he's defining and the you know the time when everyone even the people down somewhere it's about talk. Ott is if they do it. It's a fascinating business. The other I mean as well as your point point about sort of talented people you've proximity to very rich people is also a feature of your career so you mentioned McCormick Murdoch and Lavat. Nick is there something in common with those two is there is that they just happened to be enormously always. Is there something that you see is a common trait they'd got off Are Suspect Nichols middle. Have the biggest similarities in big media players. I mean I think if you want to go back and look at what. I think. There was an article about Tom Len when he joined to Leeann Basel which is chemicals. Business was the greatest in the history. Wall Street extraordinaire. What he's done with music as well? I think I think probably the differences that I suspect if you mark had an absolute love of what he was in the business and the sport I I would say Murdoch's love must be presumably of speak for him but my guess media and the deal so I guess they all similar but I don't think I don't think McCormack the he was in it he loved being in it and the profile and and for what he was he was the guy who had invented a business. When you've invented business in your pioneer I think that's different from being somebody? Who is immoral dealmaker? Whatever so I if the very hard to compare yeah you mentioned before Horst Dassler for example you know he was definitely the king maker and he was extraordinary that he came from this background with added? That's where they could make stuff Happen he if he died very sadly when he in the mid eighties when he was just barely fiftieth cancer. If he had stayed around the landscape would definitely be different. Because because I saw would have gone from strength to strength. They had fever. You E I ac- the Double Af was a powerhouse of the business and obviously that went off in a completely the different direction that he would have been so we've probably dreyfus. Maybe it's because he was another these guys they make stuff happen so the ISIL question question and fever and you mention Valco. who was you know was a obviously a senior position within FIFA and down down then discredited? What what's your take from that episode and where are where are we? Now you think when you look at is sal l.. In that in that period we're talking about is still in the noughties there the ramifications of that is still being felt. It's such a complicated subject but I think if you if you just looked at the way you have. I'm sure it's like Major. Corporations is trying to do business. In strange markets the way business got done in eastern Europe in South America Asia Africa. It's a different world out. There from from the highly regulated markets which are controlled by governance. Now it walls then the wild west and the to the to two two. What's happened with a what did happen with fever? That's it's well-documented so but I think I sell was extraordinary business. But he was before and how everything goes to tender and RFP's then unite was like win seventy-eight World Company now on its generate. Raise some revenues. And we'll all do it for you and help you. So they did. They had a very very very close relationship. Did they go out and put it out tender every time. No they didn't the other bit. You mentioned there was about McCormack in this sort of pre private equity ask you about that. In terms of what how that change things in terms of sports relationship to money and the source of finance is it. Is it different now and it was. It's it's no question whatsoever is completely different now. So I don't remember in the Nineties Private Equity I remember Matthew for example you know getting in and sort of being one of the pond is resident private equity deals and then but if you look around now at breakpoint. CBC Bruin these guys are right in the thick of private equity and then of of course productivity getting involved with club ownership and and the rest of it but it's interesting CBC now even getting involved with private equity not with agencies begun directly to sports obviously directly to F one but for example getting involved with rugby that is a different. That's a different Game Fisher potential and yes attention and there is this. There's always access to capital and their people very entrepreneur and also sport is very seductive and we have seen as we've seen with people investing sport. Who Actually Ashley too much about it? And this is no easy than any other business Look there it's not easy. Don't just buy just you me took you need to keep all the people and you you got to incentivize people go out now. The business goes up and down in the lift and use you as you've seen with infront in their a public offering and what's going on. It's easy we're heading towards the sort of finish line but I'll ask about success Eddie. What succession yes? I have more serious too but I have lots as everyone tells megawatt serious to yes. Who's your favorite character and given your just proximity go to murder? And I think all of broncos because he's answers gets in the trenches he just says f. off and he is just. He appeals to me as a character that it's it's very good. You are your book years talk about that. Yeah golden so three and obeyed and the the reason that the jump there is Elizabeth. Murder was one of the crowd that was very. I'm not quite sure that happened because I I. I didn't when I did that thing with unbound. which he's crowdfunding of the three or four people who've read the book no that it with with crowdfunding? What I did was very simple? View that to raise fifteen fifteen thousand that are also going to do that. Fifty pounds at a time on so the best way to do it was two hundred and fifty pounds of time and the offer was if you put fifty pounds you go name checking the book and so i. I knew I'd need to get sixty those. That'd be fun on and on did just lent on people so some people are in as racehorses somebody has to carry a lot of people hybrid so so nobody got called Rich Gillis. If you'd support their beer Richard in the beginning but you wouldn't be there wasn't that so there's the slippers ten years and the whole world's in there so yes he was all but I think she was just think she was just a supporter unbound an adult so there was no. I didn't know that I mean I think I only saw one of the list in the book so there were some interesting I i. This is from a McSweeney piece in the garden saying that Lee Dixon who's on that list yearly eighteen. Yeah some good names. Mark Austin Austin Austin. I have seats together at some a Chelsea and we watch the Games together and he gave me a very very good coach for the cover I think he he called it. A red top state apply. I'm looking at the the bookshelf. Where the last remaining copies on if anybody you've got to the end of this podcast? They too hard copy. Email me because you probably know me. If you follow the podcast email will get Lincoln. And I'll send you a copy for Christmas elicits holiday rate but I did enjoy doing I think so just to finish off on it. It was but it was a red top. It was a sort of looking into see. Have you read it. I haven't ready. Maybe I've read a article now. Is there an audiobook. You should avoid. The thing was that it was going to be the Besley was. This is a guy called completely out of the I got an agent and because I thought it would make a film and Guy called Andrew Eaton metagogued Andrew Eaton Laden massacres potter and he was a top producing the first series of the crown and he said and he was a revolution films with Markowitz. possums and he said it And I feel like a great movie. Oh right any bought the movie rights but unfortunately then it sort of into the usual. You had the movie rights for year paid me and then it lapsed but it was a shame because I thought it was fairly television and I really enjoyed writing. I'm thinking of I was thinking about writing. Talk about the sports business but also a show that for the moment I'm writing on Spec doesn't really appeal to me but I I enjoyed writing. A novel was a huge amount of fun. It was like going to university. I in twenty four hour party wasn't and yet the trip trip. Yes but he and Andrew Eaton and it's often Sullivan operates as an independent now so But but if there's any movie producer television present there listening can send them a treatment of book one day maybe one day so just around off breath. What's what excites you today? Because given we've talked about your career and how many places it's being in talk. What when you look at sport today? What's your we haven't mentioned the Ho- Cycling News? What's the the did you find interesting? What catches your most good question? I guess the the biggest thing is is just the fundamental change in the landscape. Is that the way that obviously the Brokaw's landscape it's very well documented. How that is changing without any question with the the whole business are going direct to consumers cutting out the middleman in some ways I think second the agency landscape is changing plea responsible is changing completely and certainly the federations? The way federations marketing sales is changing completely feel particularly revved up about any particular aspect of it still in the end. It's still about. The sport is still back going to been Japan and watching sport and saying country embrace a new event and do it. Well in the worst of it and goal was believed that still despite absolutely everything the digital experience the the three day that whole thing. It's still still nothing compares that she's being the events and and it's still going to the semi arts. It is still being. There is what it's all about. And that's that's always given me the biggest dispose of your first England football match. My first thing that match was nine hundred sixty six. I went to England. My Dad took me to the non detailed this this is the way before he was at the FA me sound the benches. And then I did actually then as retin Ratan game and then I did do a good run because my father and I were. I was sat with Phil Lines and my father in Aztec Stadium since eighty six hundred of gold and then I was amble time. Well come back to that in a second. So they're not did sedan. Jim went back and got sent off. And then I was Japan Beckham School the penalty. So it's also did for those. I think it was interesting because to set Blatter when he was talking about go on technology and all the rest it would tell the story about how my father after the game went to to Sapin said thank you very much there was no recriminations Nova. I think because we were in the tribune and you can see replace. Oh you said what just happened there and then we turn around look to the TV replay and the TV replay. You said that was hamble but there was no recriminations then and funding if if I can tell the story so when I was I was horrible. Hawkeye okay it was owned by Getty they were selling. It got bought by Sony but they needed to expand the business effectively had a monopoly in tennis and cricket but they weren't football and the reason why football is that there was technology and football. There was no goal line technology then. VR VR was way down the road so my job was to see if I could help you get through the politics of what was going to happen with with going technology so I was in so Africa. Two Thousand Ten African World Cup and England were playing in Bloomfontein so I was with my friend Jerome and we went up to to the game in Bloemfontein. Our families have had a very small tributary remember. And I found myself in the back row and I was four seats away from Blatter just before half-time Franklin scored. The goal wasn't to go and now we looked at the TV and we said Oh. Yeah that was go. My phone started to explode so every German friend of mine there. Originally you know what they say ninety sixty six coming up on my phone so I went back into the tribune then at halftime and the attributes of these games they had the the raw ball tribute it but then Blatter was had his sanctum so set just went into the little innocent shut the door to income out and at the start of the tournament at the press conference the day before dawn start God he had said we will never have technology we like the game has to be the same game that everybody in the world place they will never the referees the ultimate arbiter they'll never be going to jail anyway so then we're at the Blue Fontaine minutes that we thrash by the Germans we went down we were in the entourage we are heading back to the airport and I was in the back of a car with the Jerome and he took a phone call from set in French and I sort of saw anyways said it's each done I said he had gone into dodgy I should really yeah it's done okay right so that spoke the guy's a whole concept is that your phone we're going to happen so we go on technology that's how it happened so fry are still Franklin poke a case of some nicer at some point but but that is the history of it and obviously then now we're via go on almost never controversial because it's binary you did it cross the line obviously they are going through teething problems. It's eating problems. Do you think that's I think I think there are two ways to do. They are either. You say we're going to test this we're going to test this in in the football league or we're GONNA test in the Belgian third division wherever or you jump in and Infantino decided rottweiler jumping so they jumped in and they did it in Brazil and they jumped in and done on it. You know that the you know we were pre league actually did look at it. They didn't jump straight in. But in Germany and Italy they jumped in. And I think what's emerging if you looked at the big picture is there will always be controversial decisions but at the moment the controversial decisions all the controversial decisions that it's very clubs lousy whereas the what they're getting right now is they are eliminating the ones that are just plain wrong. If something is wrong now I think they will find a way for example with offside that I will it be done in real time because I think the technology is there and secondly to make it not so we all know the armpit thing and a worsted which is which is a little bit weird so the train has left the station we are going to have vr. And he's going to stay in perpetuity. And I think that one of the issues has been there all that in Rhode before you know that the T. Mo is the guy effectively says the referee what you can do in football. There's always been this issue of does. The referee remain the ultimate arbiter and if the referee goes and looks at a screen it takes time and he's effectively marking his own homework. And he's he's that logical the egos. Did I get that right or did I get that wrong. And but they'll get there. I mean the challenge is is the comes from you. Know if he's not the technology's not particularly it's not always used to joke you know it's not rocket science but Hawkeye is rocket science and those are all guys who have degrees ballistics astronomy. Whatever so these very complicated but goal on technology is actually? Sr VR is much simpler technology but quite complicated from Komo's point of US however that he's talking to each other and I mean I was at a conference recently where they actually if you've actually heard what. The referee Korea has got going on in his ear during the game. I know we'll net we. We won't have read Lincoln. Football body is amazing that the dialogue is going on the whole time. I guess they'll they will. We'll just get there but they'll still be as they have been this season countless ones. You wasn't hamble was amble all on the red card because in the end it still subjective and raise the profile of Sake Parthenon Back to back Stacy's true and the whole sort of off site thing which is done in America. I think that they would upon on is this. Is that the idea now that you don't eat everything on site. You can do a huge amount of this you can replace. You can do graphics all these things in new connected world. He's I think true we could as you said at the beginning we could do about four different podcast. But we're GONNA call a halt there. Thank you very much advertisement. Lovely lovely morning overlooking the eighteenth at Wimbledon. Thank you for having me

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"The tails on this podcast are dark sometimes. Scary and full of adult themes as a warning the original story of the field of billions features violence and alcohol consumption. Please exercise caution for children. Under thirteen tommy fitzpatrick trudge through muddy bog in southern ireland. The ancient swamp reeked of decay. But tommy barely noticed. He was focused on one thing. The treasure at the end of this path. He stood close behind his guide. George and ordinary little fellow in fact. Tommy held onto georgia's neck for safety but that didn't sit well with george you've got mighty strong grip for a layabout. He groused tommy scowled. He was tired of georgia's insults. He had tried to ignore them all day this time though he don't georgia's head into the brackish water and held it there after a moment. Tommy yanked georgia's head up. Are you done sussing me. He yelled instead of answering. George spit a mouthful of rancid bog. Water into tommy's is tommy screamed. He tried to wipe it away but he couldn't see in the malay. George wriggled free of tommy's grip. He took off as fast as he could across the bog. When tommy's vision cleared he sprinted after george lucky for him his longer. Strides enabled him to catch up quickly. He tackled the little man growling. Try that again. And i'll kill you. George squirmed in defiance until tommy lifted him out of the water georgia's legs flailed in the air but they couldn't make contact with his assailant. Finally george stopped flailing and nodded obediently. Tommy placed him back on the ground. Without further ado. They returned to walking. There was still a long way to go before they reached their destination george's secret stash of gold. Tommy was too distracted by the thought of those stacks of coins to see. The glimmer of malice in georgia's is little. Did he know he was walking. Right into a trap. I'm vanessa richardson. You're listening to tales of spotify original from podcast. Every wednesday we dive into the dark origins of another fairy tale. You can find all episodes of tales and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. or wherever. You listen to podcasts. Today were taking a walk through the field of billions an irish folk tale about a young farmer. Who finds a leprechaun coming up. Tommy fitzpatrick dreams of escaping life on the farm. This episode is brought to you by fan duel sportsbook. Don't just watch college basketball. Get in the action and shoot your shot with the fan. Duel sportsbook app. There's more ways to play the bracket all tournament. Long new users. Get your i bet. Risk free up to one thousand dollars sign up with code upsets on the fan duel sportsbook app and make your first deposit today. Twenty one plus in present in virginia. I online real money wager. Only for one thousand dollar risk-free bet refund issued us non-withdrawal site credit that expires. In fourteen days restrictions apply. 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Leprechaun's were little people who lived in the sea but over the centuries they evolved from cease bright's to terrestrial creatures and along the way irish storytellers gave them a profession. The little bearded men became shoe. Cobblers that's how they earned their vast sums of gold. In the early days of leprechauns the creatures existed only by word of mouth their tails were told at bed times in pubs and at holiday gatherings one of the first written mentions of leprechauns wasn't until the fourteenth century when they appeared in the story about the king of ulster but it would take another four hundred years for leprechaun's to get a starring role that came in the early eighteen. Hundreds a young irishman named thomas crofton croker decided to compile the folktales that he had heard growing up in eighteen twenty five he published fairy legends and traditions of the south of ireland and at the heart of the collection was a leprechaun tale the field of billions the story featured a young irishman and a leprechaun on a quest to find a pot of gold but croakers saga didn't portray any ordinary leprechaun it featured a special type a cleric on these mythical creatures were distinctly different from the affable green suited. Leprechaun's that most audiences know today. In contrast cleric cons generally wore bright red suits and hats but their differences went far beyond sartorial choices. These little men were trickier and more malicious. They were known to haunt people's homes and cause mischief in villages. Some stories claimed they were violent. Tommy fitzpatrick woke to pounding on his bedroom door. His head throbbed at the sound. He was groggy hungover from the night before wake up. You're no good drunk. He heard outside. The pigs aren't gonna feed themselves. That was tommy's father big tom. Even though tommy was twenty nine years old. He's still lived at home. Tommy yank the covers over his head. He curled himself into a protective ball. He wanted to hide from the world. Today was the day he was supposed to get married but his fiancee shannon mckenna called off a month ago. She was tired of tommy's empty promises about buying their own place and settling down worst of all she had already replaced him with liam murphy who owned a farm down the road. Tommy wanted a place of his own too but there was always something holding him back big. Tom never paid him enough. There weren't any decent plots of land in the county and even if tommy could have afforded a farm. He really didn't want to do the work anyway. he'd rather lounge around and drink so this morning. The last thing he wanted to hear was his father banging on the door. It's almost known for god's sake big tom years again. Time to get your royal laziness of bed after a minute. Tommy dressed and headed out to the kitchen. Look who finally crawled out of the bottle. His father jibed dear. Thank you do some work today. Your highness or is your schedule too. Busy with drinking and sulking. Tommy scowled at his father. Today's a holiday. He pointed out. Nobody's working. I've been up since dawn. Big tom shot back and i saw liam murphy harvesting turnips earlier now. That young man has a work ethic the mention of liam murphy almost made tommy vomit. Don't you dare say that man's name tommy cried. He's not good enough for shannon. Someday i'll make my fortune by a place of my own and then you have anyone to push around big. Tom shook his head fortune. he scoffed. Everyone dreams a fortune but nobody wants to put in the work. If you ever get rich you could hire someone to do your work until then you need to let the cows out to pasture muck out. The barn spread out some new. Hey tommy tuned out his father. He exited the kitchen and strolled out the front door. At first he considered heading into town. There was a holiday. There would be plenty of drinking and dancing but he saw big. Tom watching from the kitchen window. So tommy waved contemptuously and headed across the yard to the barn as tommy trudged. He looked at the vista in front of him. As far as the eye could see there. Were rolling green hills. The sun made them glisten. Like a blanket of emeralds but the beauty was lost on tommy to him. It didn't represent paradise. It was a prison. The fields weren't picturesque. They were acres for him to and harvest. Tommy kicked open the barn door. He let the cows wander out into the field. He was supposed to clean the stalls but he was already tired of work. His hangover was beginning to kick in. He desperately wanted a nap. Maybe if he could close his eyes for an hour he'd get some energy to finish working. Tommy peaked back toward the house. His father was nowhere in sight. This was his chance. He slipped out the rear of the barn down the hill and to the nearby river. He followed the stream. He knew there was an abandoned mill. A short distance away where he could sleep undisturbed halfway to the mill. Tommy hilfiger missiles from the other side of the hedgerow. It sounded like the call of a small bird that first he thought it might be a stone chat but they didn't usually hang around this late in the summer. there was again a little louder and clearer. It wasn't a bird at all this time. It sounded like a person whistling a tune. tommy smirked. he realized it was coming from the edge of liam. Murphy's property that no good home wrecker. Tommy muttered to himself. He picked up a rock and tiptoed closer to the hedge. Let's see how shannon loves him. What he's missing some teat tommy growled. He climbed the hedge and cocked his arm. Ready to throw the rock. But his tommy's is cleared the hedge he didn't see liam murphy at all instead he saw a diminutive man no bigger than three feet tall. Prompt under a willow tree. The man was dressed head to toe in a formal red suit. He had a matching talk pat and a heavy leather apron and he was drinking from a stoneware jug leprechaun. Tommy thought but when the tiny man caught sight of tommy. He didn't run like the legend said. He shrugged and took another swig of his drink. He looked directly at tommy with a menacing gays. He flashed a mouthful of crooked yellow fangs. This wasn't any ordinary leprechaun. Tommy realized goping back. a yelp. eat was a cleric. Han tommy knew about cleric cons. Were dangerous kind of fairy one. That was coming mercurial and even violent coming up tommy battles a mythical creature with a treasure of gold. Hi listeners. it's vanessa from podcast. 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Call one eight hundred gambler now back to the story. Tommy was in shock. He was standing just a few feet from cleric on. He had heard tales of this special type of leprechaun terrifying tales for a moment. Tommy wondered if he was imagining it. Perhaps he was hallucinating. How much did he drink last night. He pinched himself almost tumbling from the hedge in the process. But the mythical creature was still there in fact. The little man winked and said why. Tommy fitzpatrick didn't your father teach you. It's impolite to stare a to ran down tommy's spine. How do you do my name. He stuttered i know all kinds of things the little man replied including the fact that your sneaking away from the farm again which is probably why that pretty fiance of yours left. You tommy gasped. He knew that cleric cons were hateful ferries but he didn't realize the creature might be more malicious than his father. It may tell me head ache even more. All he really wanted to do was take a nap. He considered continuing on his way to the mill to sleep for a while before he jumped back down the hedge. Though something caught. Tommy's i the shiny buttons on the little man's red jacket. They twinkled in the midday sun. A singular thought entered. Tommy's head gold tommy's mind. Suddenly raced cleric cons. Have gold if i can get his treasure. Have enough money to buy a house of farm a whole ranch alwin shannon back. I'll put liam murphy's farm to shame. I'll even shut big tom for good. This leprechaun is the answer to all my prayers. Unfortunately however this brilliant idea hinged on one important factor catching the little man in red. Tommy had heard all the rules. He couldn't take his eyes off him. Clear cons disappear the moment you look away. And they were eerily clever at tricking people into averted their gaze. So tommy clambered over the hedgerow with his eyes glued on the little man as tommy drop to the ground. He smiled at the clara con. I seem to be at a loss. He said trying to sound calm. You know my name. But i don't know yours. The cleric conn took another long sip from his jug. Call me george. He said nice to meet you. George tommy replied. George grinned knowingly at tommy. I don't want to alarm you. He said but your cows have gotten out there ruining your crops. Tommy suddenly remembered the farm. He hadn't put the cows into the proper pasture dig. Tom was going to be livid. He was probably yelling for him right now. Tommy glanced over his shoulder to the farm. When he realized you're trying to trick me. Tommy yelled george shrugged. I'm just concerned citizen trying to save you from a disaster. Tommy skuld this clara. Khan was even craftier that he thought he needed to get close to him before he could snatch him so he decided to make idle conversation. He i georgia's stoneware flask. That's a mighty big jug got there. He said what do you have in georgia's is lit up. He replied the best ale in all of ireland. Tommy had spent a significant part of his twenty nine years drinking ale. He was well versed in the intricacies of brewing. He asked the little man what was in it. He's the clara khan said. Simply tommy howled with laughter. He had heard of making ale from wheat. Corn even honey but never from heath which was just ordinary grassland. George looked offended at tommy's guffaws. It's a secret family recipe he snarled. We learned it from the people of denmark many years ago tommy shook his head in disbelief. Good irish jail from denmark. George shrugged well. If you don't believe me have a we draft yourself as tommy edged. Closer to the cleric on he caught a whiff of the sweet smell of alcohol his mouth watered. His head was still pounding from his hangover. He knew one sip would put him at ease. In all my days tommy remarked. I've never heard of someone making ale. From heath maybe. I will try a little just a nip though. George grinned of course young man. Lean on down here. I was much as you want. Tommy drop down to his knees. He was now at eye level with the ferry. He wrapped his hands around the stoneware jug and lifted it to his lips. It smelled like a field of clover in summer. With subtle hints of pine and chicory. It warmed tommy's soul. He was about to close his eyes and take a nice long drink when he noticed. George tiptoeing toward the hedge. Hey tommy yelled. He dropped the jug and shattered on the ground. The ale splashed everywhere soaking his legs but he dove forward and just caught george by his red jacket. Thought you could trick me tommy cried. Well you've met your match little man. George held up his arms in surrender. You got me. He muttered fair and square. So now what tommy grinned. You know what. I want your gold. He switched his grip from the cleric cons. Johnston it to neck. George winston he replied. I'll lead you to it as long as you don't snap my spine. Tommy breathed a sigh of relief. Now all he had to do was follow the click on the gold and he would be a rich man. His whole life was about to change. Let's get moving tommy crowed. george nodded. He straightened the wrinkles in his suit and pointed upstream. It's quite a track. I hope a layabout like you won't mind a spot of walking. Tommy wiped the sweat from his brow. Don't you worry about me. he spat. Let's get a move on the mismatched. Pair headed off along the riverbank. They crossed several farm paddocks at each new farm. They had to climb over hedgerows an old stone walls at first tommy was invigorated by the track. They were on the way to get his gold but soon he grew tired. Sweat poured from his brow. Wet spots formed on his shirt before long. Tommy was gasping air between his hangover and the noonday sun. He was ready to collapse. George watched him with the twinkle in his little is then. He announced that he had the perfect shortcut for them and lead tommy straight into a bog in the thick bog. Each step was a struggle their feet sunk into the ground and they had to yank them out with an audible pop. It was slow and agonizing and tommy was getting more frustrated by the minute. That's when he lost it on jorge and dumped the cleric cons head in the water. George spit the brackish. Slop into tommy's i and took off. When tommy caught up with him. He swore to kill him gold or not. It happened again. And george apparently chastised suggested that they take a break he had stashed another jug. Avail on the other side of the bog. They could sit and drink. That after. More slogging tommy and george finally made it. They settled down against a low stone wall. George removed one of the rocks and unveiled a tankard of ale. Tommy george passed the container back and forth. Tommy began to breathe a little easier. More than ever he wanted to closes is a nap george. I'd him warily. Why don't you just sleep a little bit. He suggested tommy yawned a little. I would feel nice. He said are nap. What do you. Well george continued. You're probably still smarting over not getting married today. But that backfired on george tommy snapped he threw the tankard against the wall and grabbed the cleric. Han hi take it from a lot of people. He said my father shannon towns people. But i'm not gonna take it from you. George shook his eyes popped wide. He was suddenly out of zingers. But tommy didn't let up. He squeezed the leprechauns neck tighter. George couldn't breathe. He managed to gurgle lor. Never get the gold. If you kill me tommy released george. The fairy gasped and fell to the ground in a heap. Tommy looked him in the eye the next time. You sass me. He said i will kill you. George dusted himself off. He was still shaken and his eyes glittered angrily but he changed the subject. We still have a long way to go. We should get moving after another long hike. Tommy started defaulter again. How much further. He pleaded george nodded to the hill in front of them edged. Just over that hill. Tommy's hard lapped. He could almost feel the golden his hands when they crested the hill. Tommy expected to find a field strewn with gold coins and stacks of heavy bars. But tommy couldn't believe his is stretched out in front of him wasn't a treasure but acres and acres of weeds. The ground was covered in knee. High bowlen's a local ragweed with tiny yellow flowers. Tommy's heart sank. It had to be the least picturesque plot of land in all the emerald isle. george smirked. Well tommy i present you with your goal. Tommy glared at the ferry. He had warned him about treachery now. He was going to kill him. Coming up tommy's greed jeopardizes his treasure tuning into this podcast. Chances are you'll let curiosity drive your life. Introducing the redesign twenty twenty. Two mitsubishi eclipse cross. For all of you. Who want to go wherever your ambitions take you. This changes everything. 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It shows you prices reviews and when they're available in a few taps you can find a great plumber cleaner painter pretty much anyone so fix that broken sake get that accent handle your home projects the same way you do everything else with an app. Download them tack today now. Back to the story tommy. Fitzpatrick looked out over forty acres of irish countryside. There wasn't a pot of gold insight instead as far as the eye could see there. Were bullying the knee. High ragweed seemed to sprout everywhere. Tommy's voice shook with rage his this some sort of joke before george could respond. Tommy snatched him off the ground with one hand. He hosted him high into the air. Tommy shouted i bursted you fair and square. I want the gold. Not a field of boleyn's. Tommy punched george in the eye. He rung his neck then. He slammed into the ground and began beating him. George tried to shield himself with his hands. Stop he cried. I didn't lie to you. the gold is here. it's here just don't hit me again. Tommy lowered his fist. How do i know you're telling the truth. He asked georgia's cheek was red and bleeding. One of his eyes was starting to swell. I can show whimpered. I know she ate much to look at. But if a rainbow lead the way then everybody would find it now. Wouldn't they george gesture the acres of yellow blossoms field of gold to hide me gourd. He chuckled. Tommy didn't laugh. The cleric con touched his cheek gingerly. That's gonna leave a scar he muttered. I'm sorry tommy said suddenly rueful. I shouldn't have hit you like that. I'm just desperate. This is my only chance. George shook his head in exasperation. A chance to steal someone else's hard earned gold he quipped instead of earning at yourself. But that's beside the point a deal's a deal. Tommy nodded george. Lead them into the middle of the bowlen's they won't through hundreds of the rough little weeds. Finally george arrived at one unspectacular specimen this is it he announced. Tommy shook his head in disbelief. The gold is buried here he asked george nodded soberly at him. Tears welled in tommy's is a grin spread across his face. He danced around the bowlen's he'd never been so happy in all his life. George cleared his throat. Well tommy he said. I fulfilled my promise. I brought you to my gold now. I'll leave you to it. Tommy waved him away absent mindedly. He was too busy imagining what he was going to do with all the coins he started digging with his hands. It was rough dry earth with each handful. He only scraped a little away under a few layers. He still didn't see any gold. Tommy turned to george who was strolling away. How far down is it. He asked george told him that it was buried almost five feet down. He didn't want the gold accidentally washing away after a heavy rain. It's too bad you don't have a shovel. George added tommy curse to himself. He didn't think to bring a shovel. He looked around for any kind of tool of flat. Rock or a sturdy log but there was nothing but bow liens. He clotted the ear. The bit more but an unpleasant thought was dawning. He would have to return home and fetch a shovel. But tommy looked around the field. Every boullion look exactly alike. If he left he would never find his way back to this one. He'd have to search for days and weeks and he might never find it again. He collapsed onto the ground scowling his customary scowl but sitting there staring at his feet. Tommy was struck with inspiration. He untied his boot and yanked off his red stocking. He tied the sock around the boullion. He grinned at it now. When he returned he would be able to find it immediately as he turned to leave. He noticed george lurking amongst the weeds smirking at him. Georgia's going to untie it. When i leave. Tommy yelled george removed his hat and held it over his heart by my honor as an irishman. Talking said i vow not to touch your red stocking tommy side and relief. He had finally beaten the cleric on into submission godspeed. George he said may good luck. Find you wherever you go. George smiled back. Goodbye d you tommy. I wish you much luck with all the gold. You find for the first time since coming across. George tommy took his eyes off him without worrying he disappear. It was a relief. He was tired of that bright red suit but as he glanced up at the sky his relief turned to agitation. The son was getting low on the horizon. If he wanted to dig up the gold before nightfall he'd have to hurry. Tommy started running. Across the field of boleyn's he climbed the hill and then back down into the bog. He trudged through the noxious mud on the other side. He traced the river back along. Farm paddocks and meadows the whole way. His legs ached. his lungs. burned tommy hustled. Faster than he had ever moved in his whole life after a while. Tommy finally saw his father's barn come into view he was almost home. He cut across one of their pastures dodging cows and cow patties at the barn. He threw open the door and raced inside. Immediately tommy ran to their bulkhead of tools. He threw aside rakes pitchforks and axes until he located a sturdy shovel. There it is. He yelled to himself at the same moment. He heard a voice behind him there. Reduce indeed it was big tom. There's the laziest most worthless farmer in all of ireland. Tom spat just where the blazes have. You been all day tommy paused. He knew big. Tom was going to lay into an even worse than before but big. Tom looked at his son. Tommy was covered in dirt and mud. He was sweating. His eyes were clear and sober big. Tom realized that maybe his son had been working after all. A genuine smile spread across his face. I underestimated you. Big tom stammered. Get back to whatever you're working on you'll show that liam murphy who's boss after all. Tommy was stunned by his father's reaction. He had never seen big. Tom so appreciative before. But tommy didn't have time to process what had happened. He had to get back to the field of billions. It was getting dark. Tommy sprinted across the field down to the river through the farm paddocks and meadows. He struggled again through the bog this time. His legs felt heavier than before with each step in the mud. He felt like he might be stuck forever but he made it through and finally tommy arrived at the hill. He was so tired. He used a shovel as a crutch to limp to the top but he was excited he was almost back to the field of boll liens. He congratulated himself for the ingenious idea of marking the. We'd with a red sock. Now it would be easy. Worked dig up the gold. But when tommy crested the hill and looked into the valley he collapsed. Tommy wailed at the top of his lungs. His red stocking was still there just as george had promised but now there were identical red stockings. On every boolean there must have been a million red stockings flapping in the wind. It would be impossible for him to find the correct one. George had duped. Tommy once for all to you george. Tommy muttered under his breath but then his defiance gave out. He hung his head in shame. His dreams of gold and riches were dashed. He couldn't buy a farm and rub it in liam murphy's face he couldn't win back his fiancee shannon and big. Tom would never let him live it down. He would nag more than ever. Tommy dejected grabbed his shovel and headed for home. This time. though tommy wasn't in a rush he strolled through the bog and farm pastures. He watched the sunset over the green hills. He actually took time to enjoy the landscape when he arrived home. Tommy was surprised to find that his father had prepared dinner. He even poured tommy a beer to a hard day's work big. Tom said tom he didn't have the heart to tell his father what had happened. With the cleric on to a hard day's work he echoed. But as the words cross tommy's lips. He started to smile. Though the day had been a bust and he didn't have a pot of gold he had worked hard all day and for the first time in years he felt tired and happy tonight. He would sleep soundly and he would wake up the next day. Ready to start all over again. In the eighteen hundreds the field of billions thrust leprechaun's into the spotlight it helped launch the little bearded men into the realm of pop culture phenomena. Over the next two hundred years they headlined more stories. Major motion pictures even became the face of a breakfast cereal but has leprechaun's made the transition to big time. Pop culture much of their original symbolism was lost because in ireland tales like the field of billions weren't just playful adventure stories. They also spoke to a long dark chapter in the national history. In sixteen forty nine ireland was invaded by the british in the century that followed the country was essentially ransacked irish farms were confiscated and became the property of british landowners and then things got even worse in eighteen. Forty five famine struck ireland. Killing almost one million people for irish farmers like tommy fitzpatrick. It was a hopeless time. Many gave up or resorted to drinking. It seemed that only a miracle would let them escape. Their hardscrabble lives a miracle like a pot of gold. The field of bullying is presented a counterpoint. About that pot of gold. Leprechauns gold was a fool's errand. It argued only hard. Work and determination would carry the irish through still in the meantime a cheeky leprechaun story can always provide a bit of laughter to lighten up the dark times. Thanks for listening to tales. For more information on leprechaun's we found deer motto gallons essay the leprechaun and ferries dwarfs and the household familiar a comparative study to be extremely helpful to our research. We'll be back next wednesday with a new episode. You can find more episodes of tales. And all other spotify originals. From podcast for free on spotify. Join me next week. For another dark and surprising. Fairy tale tales is a spotify original. From podcast executive producers include maxon ron cutler sound designed by kerry murphy with production assistance by ron shapiro carly madden and erin larson. This episode of tales was written by jesse harris with writing assistance by nora botanical fact checking by adriana romero and research by mickey taylor. I'm vanessa richardson.

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DtSR Episode 380 - Gadi Tells It Like It Is

Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast

46:54 min | 1 year ago

DtSR Episode 380 - Gadi Tells It Like It Is

"They say they say we should have known. Embed Saudi down down into this. It's time I again the venture down the rabbit hole into the world of cybersecurity. You're plugged into the podcast for security leaders and practitioners with a business sense. Prepare for unique interviews insights and practical advice. That makes your job just as Benazir and now please welcome your guides sides this adventure. James Jordan and the white rabbit's burrow good morning good afternoon and good evening friends and colleagues. Welcome down the secure ever to yet another edition another riveting riveting edition of the down the security hole podcast as Raff Riding Solo today. James is out there somewhere doing the real life thing and I have with me me a as a longtime friend A Guy from the industry that you all probably should know We've got a lot of ground to cover so let's get right to it As I said I'm I'm I've got somebody with me that Trying to get him get his butt on his podcast for a bit Sold in that in that note Welcome Gadi Hey. Hey Hey all right so All the way over the other side of the pond tells who you are in what what you what you do all right well first of all thank you for bringing me on the podcast. I appreciate that and actually pretty excited about about because I think this is normal with spent together in a few years yes except for except for a few years ago where That was kind of fun. Yeah Yeah Yeah. As long as we don't necessarily walk into the show it's pretty fun all right to tell the people who you are. Yeah so hi everybody. I'm ready I'm I am basically a security professional working security kind of my life I guess I started a teenager but I was under defensive side. We just got a lot. I suppose I've been a C.. So at the Israeli government interact operation. And I've had a startup I worked with beatable. UC developing next first generation Forgive the buzzword models and services and I figured didn't want to buy next generation Soviet consultant. I've worked worked with a lot of things in this industry but honestly that's one side of what I do which ended just a couple of months ago when I left my start up C. Metro after six years. Wow and now looking for whatever else I'm going to do next. And then on the other side of my career I guess the community trust groups information sharing trying to take care of the Internet infrastructure and people working groups stuff like that which I find pretty important to me personally and every once in a while you sleep right yes. I'm not sure about what time zone I mean nearly never but I do sleep once in a while occasion Asian I just got back from the US where you had a you. You running a conference in Austin you WanNa tell us a little about that. Oh I would love to tell you more about my conference. Yeah so it's not really my conference it's more of a community conference Several names we like a little bit of chaos. It says the name art into science it has a name a conference for Defense and actually also school confessed on defense because it doesn't really work but it sounds pretty good top in the last week in Austin and it was the fourth year a little bit about the conference so years ago we were all everybody mix. We're kind of frustrated with security conferences references and we decided we could do something different but we didn't know exactly what it started at the desk on where I was sitting down for for drinks with. Stephen's JOE WILBANKS and Steve Oriented sound with the guys and people went came back They'll be calling. was there many others and throughout the day. Dave Cross eight hours and some drinking just like to say we created a model trying to figure out whether the basics of the basics the basics guy in the first principle security and we just. It's so much fun you know. I've known so many people in this industry or just frustrated going to work every morning trying to figure out what to do because we know we're GONNA lose and it's not that what we do doesn't matter it's not every control we could play several scripture on. Doesn't actually help but when it comes down to it we know we're fighting asymmetrical engagement and that is the bad guys. Want is hard enough. They're GONNA win and one of the things things. That frustrated us was that security conferences were essentially about the talker. You know putting dot stucco pedestal. If you wanted to do something about the fence you head to hide it in a way behind a an offensive kind of facade or you wouldn't be any kind title St the same case today. Even though a lot of conferences opened up the defensive truck now it's still the case. Yeah let's face it right the the things that make the headlines The things that get you Interviewed and onstage in and and and you know getting is all the cool like what made what what made all the headlines a few years ago right a bunch of a bunch of guys stunt hacking jeep in the middle of the expressway. The main thing. So that's an example I give I can hear about the jeep being attack which is pretty cool for fifteen minutes but then what. This industry is more than just about headline. It's about getting something done what I want to get something done so honestly if I can get people were now whether there are two years in the industry a month in the industry or forty years in St to do something about that because this leads into another issue which is we have professionals in this field but we another professional field if you want to implement even two sectors indication tomorrow. They're going to open up a discussion on liked liked board and start drawing. We don't have these best practices in place. We don't have the design other place mostly. You don't know things don't exist. We don't do it as an industry and let's let's frustrating for me personally as everybody because I. This is something that I try tackling One one job ago that every new C. so comes in and starts effectively from scratch trying to implement every skewed professional tries to implement their own security controls. As if it's it's never been done before it's not the technology's college is not there. It's not that the knowledge isn't there says that we haven't figured out a way to as you just said create those patterns and share them effectively so that people simply implement had a big list Korea creative and share them so creating them about kind of so it might claim is that we are doing art. We'll filling science and I would like to get to that science park but if we could start even by methodology would you they can things repeatable. It'll be amazing. Yeah what we're trying to get there with With things like operational playbook but It's still it's still pretty tough chop I mean everybody's still develops their own you know. Look me up a little bit frustrated we all are and then start moving toward the solution so for example there are many people out there the festive side people and I would say looting people who don't have information. I was one of the the people who start what's called trust groups and information sharing groups online and know that there were things before. We don't get me wrong and the thing because we are overconfidence compartmentalizing. We're over secretive and you can blame. These things will suffer for it but the Internet might suffer for for it but so many people do anything formation. How do we get into them? You know in whose Alvin and three four. The antivirus industry was still pretty much. Not The virus industry as opposed to security industry and they were guarding information. Like crazy the ethics of the time demanded even doesn't matter if you're a huge company like let's say Cisco or check going you're not the antivirus company. Therefore you D. I you know if you touch a virus malware if you try to analyze it your black that was kind of Ethics of the time and everybody needed information people got it was the year of the war. Three I was fighting people for people to recognize you know botnets exist exist but do something about that and honestly just opening up a mailing list putting people on try to start discussing discussing these do things and getting things done defensive whether it's an idea or whatever it is just doing something at the time that would use some form of the ability and control helped a lot too nowadays if you look at threat intelligence and hunting permission. Isn't it out there and people need it. So how do we get them on. The other end trust books do not want to let more people people in even though they have processes in place to vet them because the larger trust grows the more trust is lost and eventually just emigrating lenient style to a new trust and yet another group and yet another. That's another problem. We had an public conference. Where most of these in for this is where the discussions this formation shirt CL- close circles if probably the conference would allow us to filter people in learn to trust them as well as video? You know the talk and give me formation up there with another thing we wanted to do. So I I get it but this is the the the counter argument of course. Is that if you if you let. If you're not careful you let in the bad guys know exactly what you'll be doing. And when and how how much you know. And they'll change their tactics right that nothing I agree. But that's that's A. It's a valid counter argument to that which makes us hold trust concept really difficult. There's been in what like eight. Ten companies have tried to address information sharing and and essentially operationalize building the tools the concept of trust circles. I don't know that any of them have been real successful because we we're not there yet absolutely and you know the interesting thing if you look at the Internet governance Another counter claritin for that. You can see That people talk about what's easy usually people don't do a good job up there. But they talk about privacy talk about first of all they talk about. I can because I couldn't Steve Croker when I let let venting some decade ago essentially said if people don't know Steve Croker he's one of the guys who invented the Internet growth. RC won a lot of other things. And it's very very good guy. So essentially said Daddy. I understand your frustration and understand where you're coming from Semantically said that that'll work. What do I said I think? In many cases you're blaming other people blame I can because it's there there's really an internet governed by the out there. That's where things around domain name. That's where people concentrate so much the same on information sharing and yes. Many of these companies did not succeed. But what did succeed in the only thing that actually protect the Internet Internet today an essay only big duck duck in the second and to only actually has governance out there. Today is volunteers network operators. Aren't they virus researchers reverse engineers Fist administrators whatever. Some people from law enforcement get together in unofficial circles and talk to each other and try to defend these. It's just volunteers most of us. Let's be honest. Didn't sign up to be interim government any government than we are not with us right now going. These are the only thing everybody can agree to. That's bad let's take the download stuff that doesn't example but I want to move forward from oldest us and say where it came down to it. You decided to quit. The conference appears go I just met with Mike Johnson with the time whether the salesforce Ben went away now he's closely mostly and he said you know just want the conference for defense and that would start to track their the philosophy truck could be called management or strategy. But we just feel because when we talk about their. Let's talk about this first principles we all. We've all been in discussions back. But let's actually modeled things. Let Chris Wayne Works. Let's push to art and design and build the knowledge base of security. There's so many things out there. Let's make sure number one. We find them. We build states where people to create new ones and present them as as well as put them out there in an RC. Like four. And that's what we're starting to do now. On the fourth year on the philosophy and on the operational track the goal is stories like no telling us about the industry. No San Suu quotes. All we want you to do is come in share with us. What's you show? Show us how we can replicate what is new or old and essentially what happened. Is that people go to conferences in there. Used to getting the three ideas and the conference in our goal is essentially a signal to noise ratio. We want every talk. Give you three to ten. And that's what we have achieved and and I'm very proud of that. So they're calling. I is Free Austin every January and honestly extremely proud of the community and Work Bacon the conference when a huge bank comes to you and says I'm going to skip black. I'M GONNA get kicked off. This is back so I can bring my entire themes this conference. I'm just happy with it. So that's pretty amazing. That's what we're doing over there. I know you don't have a lot of You can't believe this early people Bush the senior wise. If they say you're doing a good job but sometimes somebody comes along with the accompaniment it's not necessarily direct and you think that too hard because you need that energy yeah right well I mean this is it. It's not getting one of these things started. This is far from trivial. Let's face it. I didn't start alone. There are many others involved through. Neil you Mike Johnson. Randy vaunted amazing work around all of this even just us out there in You know Kimberly Price. There's so many people involved. Joe Mentioned Steve Just endless people. People see this as their own home and if they want to do something with the conference if you just do it. It's a platform. We don't really stop them or just tried to enable people. Yeah yeah that makes sense. I mean that kind of stuff definitely makes sense. Would you think that I mean. Look with the industry's been around almost close to twenty five years formerly right right. I will say mid late nineties one INFOSEC really started becoming a thing like RFP's discovery of SQL. I was back in ninety. Eight I would argue that maybe two three years maybe two years before that security was word people Infosec people start using but Well we can also go back all the way through the orange books you know and go to stuxnet Or you know what I I actually have A. I think I have a date for winter. Industry really started a little people have been doing accent. The seventy s and even the forties right and. I think that they is something that I I used to think. It's a marketing the honestly but ABC One report. When that came out? I think I just looked at it as I said. Yeah obviously decide the first abt report targeted targeted doc reports out there but no. That wasn't the same that changed everything. When you had a serious report about true nation states attacks and again daily two thousand there was rain and so on? I'm having that report in hand. It was insane number one you could show something that's printed unreal. Number two is really information about the attack. Doc Wasn't just hidden remembering thousand six or seven when I was a pc a friend of ours wanted to come on the stage because he didn't cover The attack with uh-huh did the forensic work on and we essentially kicked him off stage so we don't get in trouble with the FBI how he was kind of old behind closed doors and a and seven hundred four changed everything even on to the doctors. Seeing pictures of people behind the attack seeing the building there was insane and that are being able to present that to the board to back up. What you're saying just like last week there was Microsoft benched Tuesday thing and being able to get an NSA a press release saying this is serious and being able to show that to the board is you go and make your case for resources to and you know time from it patch. Everything was was insane so for me. The industry started probably in the seventies. Then the nineteenth. We started getting working around this in larger ways as you say but I actually been today today one report. Tavistock yes sucks. abt One brought the hype. And that's what Mandy it was really good at And then abt one and I think brought the reality right and I think I would add a different date To this to the important days 'cause stuxnet was important but it always felt like it was something that was like out out there like. Oh you know it's nations going to you know cyber war but I think what made it real was the Saudi Aramco when suddenly overnight a half a company's IT infrastructure was wiped out. Oh Yeah I couldn't do business right 'cause now you've got the CFO the the people people that are don't have tech jobs necessarily suddenly going. Wait you mean. I can't come to work in process. You know quotes INVOICES MRS I can't set I can't do anything I can't get into the building with the batteries that yes it was after more who are dates number one as as a Sony. Actually wasn't national Geopolitical front and more than that people went to work in the morning and saw black screens. I remember this one article all the discussed that he's like. Forgive me for going on for a second but West Point and I've never been to west point so I'm talking out of hearsay. Essentially they used to teach for example Local leaves lieutenant which is amazing other than starting with an introduction of every single doctor in the book like most of the books there but they stopped because he only looked at the strategic level. It didn't consider the soldier and the time of day interested in why that's important but we the only thing everybody talks about the strategic Asta but I found an article where people were quoted. Think thank you come to work in the morning and screens or black. Do we still have a job. Our bank accounts safe. They'll just above the cup and another one was was probably equifax. Because that's when we actually saw in having four actually in front of our eyes saw sea level people and CEO's losing doing their jobs that happened before that scale. Yeah yeah although I look at Sony from a from a maybe not such a positive light because insecurity we've been saying for for a long time like at some point this major events gonna come along it will really wake everybody up and everybody's GonNa notice and were suddenly going to get budgets and we're GonNa get to do everything we wanted because that one events is going to destroy everything right and Sony happened happened and that was the event like it was supposed to be the the line in the sand. Where attackers destroyed everything? The people got fired company basically went out of business and everything like wait a minute though it it did because the worst case happens right. The the prosthetic prophetic worst case that all the Ip was out all the healthcare information payroll information and emails and private communications nations and movies and everything was out and yet the company survived. So now how do you go to your boarding go if I don't get enough budget we're we're GonNa be you know we're going to get everything will be gone. It'll be will disappear and Gil Young but Sony still. They're like you know when you look at governor if we go to the management level role for a second actually can be useful and it can be used so I have a friend who works for a bank and he built this entire threat. Assessment model most models in the world still use risk and controls. is they're basically the ignore the environments you know if I have controls surfing and it's part of my score in an environment the peasants database kind of silly or having the risk without looking at the threat actors and threats generally and then connecting to impact maybe doing Virtual dentists between the control they have in their maturity and the potential attack dice like mitre that actual. That's right actors they could use. I'm going on a tangent. The thing is if you where Sony and you looked at all the different threats in the world and you presented wanted them to the board and said this could happen. Or here's my maturity model. Here's the measurement of how I'm going home. I'm doing I'm getting better. Something like that's happened. You'd be able to say you know. So here's how I deal with this response. Unfortunately steal the best control we have thing is in the industry. And I'm not talking about Sony. They actually had an amazing see. So recall John Mooney it was a cfo and senior VP dill and he stayed after the incident and effect on another dungeons going cursive for a moment when we say in the industry that many so stay for eight months a year and a half and leave very quickly. I found that the best actually stay for years in the industry. It's not true but closing American going back when Sony happened. We Saudi Aramco happened. which are two examples of us? We were all shocked. They'll just because of the actual impact impact Maersk with another one of those if you have Trojan horse on the computer people with expecting to steal. Hey do whatever you want with the computer and destruction and you know he's just another relevant tool for this here we just because we haven't seen as much we didn't really give much attention in our in our corporation. Yeah I mean I I love I Lo- conversations. Do you know John Stephen Probably Yeah so John John Threat Modeling Guy Right. He's an upset and he's now adviser and he's a he's an exact Because he grew up too but He taught me the importance of threat. Molly I've talked to him over the years a bunch of times. One of the things that we always come back to is is is the is the stuff that you're trying into do on a defense proportional to the to the attack and a resultant outcome right so are you are you trying to Are you trying to defend against a threat. That will likely never come at you or are you trying to are not even thinking about threats that are there every day and my example for this. This was hardly hardly man spectrum meltdown. Right now. Those two those two One right after the other. Those were those were a big deal right. Processor loophole essentially or a cheap function. That was discovered that could create some very serious havoc now. Now if you if you paid attention like let's let's put aside the fact that every idiot now decided that we needed to have a theme some theme music some artwork a website site. You know like for every vulnerability like that's his dumb. Let's let's say that but but those were very real very real vectors right but but when they hit it seems like every single information security official lost their collective dang minds because suddenly they. Everybody felt felt like this was their biggest threat every time something big gets announced this is my biggest threat. I must drop everything I'm doing and in my analysis assist and granted. I'm not the smartest guy in the world but I've been through a few things in my analysis the biggest problem that heart bleed and the at meltdown inspector keep going back. Hartley spent spectrum meltdown presented for the average Enter midmarket to lower enterprise even enterprise as an SM be out there. Security professional was that it was going to ultimately cause a lot of panic and the bigger threat I think was was to it operations people because it was the patch was eventually going to cut their CPU capabilities. They're gonNA it's GONNA cut their processing power right by was it was nineteen twenty percent or something like that. That's a bigger threat than the actual attacks I think could ever be to the threat models of your average enterprise because most people would like the complexity of the damn attack there. Nobody would most of them were. Were ever never going to see it. Much less have to worry about how to detect it and prevented. Are you saying that. We're affected by the news Thuds based industry. I guess let me tell you something sure with. You actually started talking earlier about my friend at the bank and I kinda went ten dungeons in Eric grossly fashion so awesome so you made this analysis about a specific threat and there was a little money spent on it then eventually he said let's check the impact. Then the impact was twenty eight thousand doors. So why are we spending so much on this now with comes down to reputation but you know this entire shadow of ours and many chuck in the industry. The frustration comes the frustration. I talked about earlier and earlier. I spoke talk about. They're going to succeed anyway. But I would like to change it up working on this model where I'm trying to prove to the future that we're right in a way If you think about the industry I've been there many times. Sure you have as well. We're Cassandra we claim to the future and anti. I used to take that personally. We used to say. How do I change this out? I run and do this. I'm convinced people and I took a step back at some point when I started Becoming I think less technical and more into philosophy side. Let's say and said should they actually listen to us. You know in the nineties when I jumped up and down forget me. Meanwhile shorts that went before the congress I believe or stand up in nineteen ninety. One Nation states are going to attack the United States over the Internet and he was left out. I've being there you've been there. I came up. I was there for Boston. It's I was there for. Hd was there for so many things you were there for so many things all of us for station and my I understand today is they. Were right tonight so let me let me break down. Okay interested. No crash so Oh just now okay. So she on the following you are one of many many people in an organization that you're one of many stickle there's an organization. You are not a the neighbor your cost center which I see many of us make the mistake off as security professionals staying at cost center and number two. You believe what you do or sees. He's the most important thing in the world which is the second mistake we do. We don't really wait and look and say what else is going on. What is the context for these Asian? They'll just in risk ask the business. What where we going in the future? What are the risks? Are we dealing with What should come I? Can I say this later instead of opening a front or just giving up doc on every single issue and that's kind of From my experience but maybe some other things but I try to. How can we do this differently? I knew and and you knew in the nineties. Cyber whatever we call back and then we hate Wertheimer and then cyber became what we do but cyber we're going to be big GONNA be huge and we have to do something now and we know for a SEC and these under under cybersecurity and many other sub topics and industries sub threat for specific breath. We knew this was going to happen but we couldn't convince people and I said they're people kind of in my mind. I said people graph off the longer you wait on spending on cybersecurity and does gruff kind of goes way up on the Y axis. The less you're going to be able to impact and these are like exponential terms alberic. Mix Germs even just the time You know unless you're going to be able to impact security. If you wait a year you'll be able to do much much less than in cybersecurity. We say if only they deal. That's right which is really going to help us But also I have to spend that much more so the graph is insane. I said Easter case in history when people leave and there is in Israel in the late ninety thousand the government Leeson's It was not easy. Trust me governmental Eastleigh sent and they created a organization to look over critical infrastructure with guidance around on cyber security information security and they didn't do much but they did they said you know what should they have invested more no from there to see you making point of view. Maybe they wouldn't even invested in this but they did and that's pushed Israel further along along the curve will secure at all then it could. How can we go to decision makers in other things we we see today and convenience and just just small adjustment and I look at the history of security and he's going to be very inaccurate and you can look at the mainframe the meaning computer the peacekeeping heads to the cell phone rfid now we have Drone we have is starting to come up robotics and we say every single one of these started if we go all the way back to the mainframe extremely really invested in Belgrade existence who were then there and We just dropped it windows. Dos started with the what the famous story about Bill Gates by operating system from correspondent for Fifty K.. Right we just drop all technology and we start from scratch continuously and you know what we have a lot of economic incentives and we want to get to markets we building an MVP. Maybe we don't have time or funding to the security. We don't even think about it. You know what we shouldn't I truly believe I maybe betraying younger self as security guy. But we shouldn't that said it's what point we convince people know starting visiting the security a little bit so valuable later we'll never mark sacks disagree but really we're never going to change changed the Ip right but if we came back in the eighties and said wait. Wait wait this thing. Now that we have built something could have been interesting. So I've been working on deductive model and I believe inductive models but I can't i. I can find a way to do that way. Look at all these industry and look for proof point. When was the first of all nobility that came out in academic surcharge research when was crime using disclose when did military or intelligence just started using extreme? Wendy they huge warm. Come up and all these points for all of these sheldon didn't happen for any of them but when it comes down if we can prove this proof points we can reduce what I call the Lifestyle the buddy told the body counts really if we're going to face before people accept things and today my Main Gripe is run imbedded medical devices you know we need to be careful against. We need to know author speak with business terms but they still are made mainsail sales in the industry. Unfortunately and I look at buddy count and say okay so a meal and a half three million pacemakers a year. I don't remember the number I don't even if it was accurate when I saw it. Forgive me but yeah if we can go and create a warm around that. When these things are over the operating over the Internet wireless wireless sometimes depending on what you're talking about? If insane man it's completely insane and when I talk about the two thousand seven for example people talked about this before me right. I I said guys please. I wasn't The or desperate remember right now and people camp and I said look guys. I'm GonNa Talk to you about science fiction. I love that's fiction. Let's talk about medical devices. And let's move on to talk about the and people talk about this without saying this the got laugh or people will just dismiss them because because looking into the future is hard. So that's court they weren't on so these modal and building about these points if I can come to the decision makers in different industries and say what happened in other industries you know maybe a little bit. Maybe I'll be successful or not. There's another successful but I don't know exactly how it happened. And that's the fire and Notre Dame. I think I'm sorry I just woke up. And I'm a little bit We see from my flex their fire in front with the Church so as far as the first time and there are used to these happenings therefore they already have trees planted over by where they can use them to rebuild and stuff like that so it was pretty cool. So that's something. I am pretty pretty serious about right now But he's a long term project. Anything you know driving uppishly wall trying to convince people to do that but it's one of the things I'm kind of playing with. Yeah listen I I'm with you man. I think I think so. This is another one of the other trends that I think was fight that it bugged me that we finally Seem to get collectively distanced from was I felt like in the early nineties. It was all about. How do you know do whatever you can write? It was complete chaos cause we were just trying to evolve and try to stay relevant like two thousand to two two thousand twelve. It was really about kind of this chaotic version of evolution. And I've gotTA talk coming up on this Shortly on a Webinar. But it was like this I feel like it was kind of we call chaotic evolution so it was attackers. Were trying things defenders. Were trying things. Nobody actually had evidence for whether any of it did anything but we could create a big bang and go look. We made a big bang and then somebody would go. Yes so what And then defender would go. Well I planted. I did this thing. So therefore You Know Your Big Bang didn't work and then you'd ask the question of is it because it didn't work or is it. Because I I you got lucky or is it because I I'm not good enough and nobody could answer that question. And then like I think to me the the market was Saudi Aramco when when we went from simply lobbying inconveniences conveniences at each other right disabled like Sony was a big one but I think I think to me Aramco was the big one where suddenly we went full nuclear clear Pardoned upon we went we went destructive and then at that point it was like okay. You know it just got real But the entire time we're struggling to decide aside and and have any kind of Conversation real evidence based conversation about attack or defense. That wasn't just fun. Base to come back. Acted this topic because I I'm an evidence based Guy Right. I grew up in in in in security And then quickly transitioned into you like the the prove it the business side chain so I I grew up with where in in my career where somebody said prove that what you just did protected me and you'll and most of us would say while you just have to take my word for it but that's not good enough in a you know a in a in a million employees company so you have to show evidence and so I'm looking at our industry and going okay. We have a million in different tools out there which one of those is actually effective. How effective is it? And what is it effective against. There's guys there's no and there's not really good answers for its twenty twenty where we're basically twenty. I'd say twenty five years into this and we still don't have good answers. We just continue to try and a lot of it's dumb lock right and a lot of it is attackers simply They get what they want. We don't notice Or they a we get lucky or unlucky or combination thereof. What do you think nuts? I think you're not not enough. I mean first of all talking about this and I do have a couple of things to say I would like to say the Sun will rise tomorrow and things will be okay and we'll come together and solve the problem because we always have and always wheel. I believe personally cheer So we did a good job. We go to work and we are frustrated but we do a good job and we reduced cost with you know when when fishing started and people didn't really know what's going on yet We're all on the mainland. We stuck in some friends of mine for Iraq said. Yeah we can convince our Boston. We're learning the money because they didn't know to say we're preventing loss or reducing loft look to learn in business but I would think what you said even make it more expensive gene. We are educated from a young age as security professionals accept sub par results. We don't even know to us for for better for example recently ended my enterpreneurial tenure and and working as a vendor and we expect vendors. We expect our tools. We expect our monitor's to come up and say here are alert here are events and we tried to get more or we try. Watch your show less because we can send much better when it comes down with what people from the street when I told them what I did said was. Why aren't aren't you showing me the doctors? Why don't you catching like no? No no you don't understand. This is not how security works in. You know what they were right we have you know. I'm not saying there at least for this. We don't expect our vendors or solutions or whatever. It is useless. Words Solution George home doesn't mean that we don't but back on topic Kinda warm that we don't expect our vendors to catch docker. We don't expect their vendors. gave his truth threatening intelligence Feed during useful but often indicates indicator the compromise. What about knowing who is after me? What about knowing what they're using? How about expecting to catch zero days? I don't care how it's done right now. We expect our vendors to deal with tone. Maybe a little bit more a little bit. Maybe we don't come and say I expect you to deal with this or after a zero day as as exploited. And they're in expect. You still useful. Expect you to steal give me volume. The industries built to expect mediocre result. And that's what we build mediocre. I don't think it's easy to build those. I'm not throwing stones. I I'm just saying that's not cool. That is one of the reasons I started my startup beyond trying to create an economic shift by moving to targeted talkers. Instead of doctors. Doctor keep changing and trying to shift the economics around so stuck for example. When stuxnet came out there was coding? It was twelve years old. Now imagine you running that operation or running that unit or whatever it is that bill suck and he walks Sunday. Twelve years of your perations needs to be reviewed to see your another. The risk of were running your yourself in so many places in your intelligence sources can still come in and operations can still go on and so on and so forth. That is going to McDonald's right. They're losing tool and of course there's been a blue ocean in Baras than I gave a talk about observing. AP threat such a Buzzword but and this state nation level a threat actor evolution through the opposite failures because most of our reports are just about here is what the malware looks like. We don't even look at a strategic because because we don't know what it is and I have to deal with it but to bring together. My Gripe with the world right now is about the basics and I can't say that I'm right or I'm sure of myself like with other things but I believe this but I want to be clear about this relief. The basics are important the basics our control. We should do when it comes. It does with nobody out. There doesn't want to basically there is always going to be something we need to do. And that's the basics but it's kind of like education when people say they don't know what to do or listen to education which the control that notice the Kiro breach often immediately. Everybody goes to say Oh. They didn't do their basics. My God that already there is always going to be another Ottoman admin or CISCO CISCO username password thing. There's always going to be another vulnerability to find the patch. There's always gonNA be shadow. It huge companies. You try to secure them before you say that and now with these basics already we need to get things in our networks environments armaments actually do work and as we always speak of innovation. But we'RE GONNA we're not to build to handle innovation we're just not doing it That's that's my belief but more than that even if we're not willing to accept the basics are useless too extreme for a minute and it's my right then we need to accept the basic change and the basics are more strategic than technical. But I always condemned. Yeah you know I'm with you and I I gotTa tell you we're we're we're about close out of time here because we could. This could be a conversation for another couple of hours. This whole basics concept You know I swear if I hear one more person say just do the basics. I'm going I'm just going to quit and go. Do go be a bartender somewhere. Because it'll just be easier Basics basic well. I'll add to that before we before we log out of this but I I so I used to work journal. I remember the size and sheer scale of the problem. When we look at at the time so early two thousands? How do you get to? What's what's a good end state if you're going to be patching a critical bug what's a good percentage to get to and everybody would say one hundred percent that right? We looked at it in in our division. Said you get to eighty five percents you are frigging rockstar right so just do the basics. A six shot up. I'm with you like stop. It's not that simple but we but look the flip side of that is we have to do better. Like we can't just simply say where I couldn't do it. Sorry we have to do better I hear you on that. There's always going to be a CISCO CISCO ADLEMAN Hadman but really I mean we see. We got that something I think. That's worthy of our effort in terms of minimizing. 'cause I know there will always be I I can tell you. There will always be exotic zero day attacks. That chain seventeen vulnerabilities together with the right moon phase and get you that one exploit that will own the world world. There's always going to be one of those lurking somewhere you sign on so many things that don't work we'll wait. I know but there's gotta be a way to eliminate the Admin Admin open password openness three buckets open. You know this way. Why don't we accept that? They're there and build security except that I mean okay so maybe we attacked both those dreams at once. Because I don't think giving up on either hi there is okay so continue to be with. You shouldn't give up on these things extreme but let me give you an example from a cod and philosophy tracks when you came with a model. Well I mean I would love to talk about my models but we're at the time so let's just quickly talk about news and hope I don't butcher. It came up with a really cool modal cold the model and essentially says resilient Liam Right. It's about as well. Let's be honest here but it could be something useful. The way you approach is he speaks about pets and kettle and essentially intially. A pet is something we something as a part of the family we care for the pet we feed the path we take you to the doctorate and take tens of thousands of dollars to try and get be well when sick and that's like a computer that we spend a lot of time on and Probably should've now on the other end and this is really uncomfortable. Give this analogy but of cattle or sheep. Let's say because I don't want to offend anybody out there about coutts shift shipping sick I'm sorry and it's all bad but you know what we Gillick and we're replacing the immediately so even if you look at justice up time how many computers out their pets where they could be kettle where we can do something much much quicker occur because the business runs faster than talkers. We don't and if we look at docker. If you look at the cloud we can be much much faster now and we should enable do something but anyway. That's wakeup. It called coffers other whatever you know about. Let's take these little. Let's push the Argenta Science. Let's do new things. Create new frameworks on the truck Iraq. So that we can do security better there are solutions out there. And sometimes their technology for example. What I did was cyber deception which another discussion for another time perhaps And why solve what I did want to failure industry industry and then we have pushing the strategy the management aspect and we can do these things until we ever perfect because let's be oughta securities about compensating controls. If we had a solution we wouldn't be putting controlling place. Yeah all right well. Let's let's let's do this again because we we We are definitely on time but There's much more to be had. I think I think a rant about the basics or lack thereof is Is In our future guys. Hi thanks for being on the show man. It's been it's been a lot of fun man. Thanks for having me I appreciate it. 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Vamily show with Nette and Ridgelife

Vamily Show

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Vamily show with Nette and Ridgelife

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Of course up here in the screen I'm getting better. And then Up and down up and down or easy but red light. So. Thank you for being here, edge life and. And I. I believe I came across deer video. 'cause you had a lesson instrument ridged think that's why I came across your videos. Wet Wet. Inspired you to start doing. Those Against Sermons. That you have their. I their. Pastor, I'm not a preacher on just a you know a center like the rest of us but I I do love my Lord and Savior. I started a youtube channel and didn't like we were talking a little bit early I didn't do with it for a while and then last Christmas my son out clearance land on the property we bought my son Said Dad. You need to start putting this stuff on your youtube channel man that's a great idea because you know we're just having a blast a camera up, you put it out there share these things. So we started doing that with eighteen subscribers last. November December issue around between Thanksgiving Christmas and. A few months into it you know it was taken off and you know I was really learning that the youtube community is a family and. And just a really really. Awesome Group of people and it was from our being and hunting fishing homestead, and I'd just meeting them in all all genres, all niches and Once I started getting a few hundred subscribers. I realized that you the Great Commission to share priced. I was not doing it on the platform I was given. So I said I've got to start doing something. So then on Sundays I started producing a premade video with a friend areas of our property, the bees, the way the pond I did one where I had the faith of Peter I was on a Kayak and outstanding. Could I walk on water and stepped out in the water and I sunk of course And it was like January. February. So colours march maybe but anyway. I started doing those. To really, you know just talk about Bible, verses and apply it to our lives here on the Ridge and it was I was going great people were connecting with it and it was really a good. You know a calling that I I couldn't just keep this youtube thing to myself. I needed to share you know what God's given me with other people that this the holy, Spirit, and then the whole Kobe thing happened, and so you know churches were closed and all that. So that's when we started going live now every morning. Nine am central. Wego live for about an hour and we pick Bible verses that are available today and we read them. Then we talk about discuss them with youtubers archly everybody off the chats and it is it is. It is awesome. I get probably more out of it than the people watching it and it just. It was really a blessing WLAC dot allow me to do that. Thanks for thanks for joining to that appreciate that. Yeah. It was I've been I was just looking around for. Different south to be inspired by on Youtube and and I think yours one of the suggestion ones that that came up wind up through that. and it's cool because we. End Up on a lot of the same youtubers even though I didn't I didn't meet them through. Jason Croker and you you you went met him in person knows kind of fries. To. On Your Life. Yeah. Totally. Blew me away. Totally surprise the core Gills said that dinner up we were GONNA go out eat with the cordial's after we met with the pain family Jason Crocker's sitting there at the table and I was like. So, cool. Cool. Were you watching him for a while before before that happened? Yeah I. I didn't Really Watch the Crocker's win You know they were with jared and Jalen too much I'd seen him. When he started doing Oklahoma thing and the tiny house you know really started getting into that and of course, you know he's got somebody characters you know a bail and Kenny I. Just I just love his character you know. Yup Yeah. Thought your property, a Tam you've been on it since two thousand and seventeen. Yeah. We we. We bought the the farmhouse and you know the the property around it. It's about seven acres almost. We bought that and then a year and a half ago we bought the thirty point four or five simple life reclaim those two hundred of. Loyd. Point four five. Adjoining our property behind it and We just bought that about a year and a half ago, and now we're building a log home for my mom out with my mom not for my mom she's going to be living in. A joint effort. But yes, it's we've had this property. That is awesome. I love it. Is Beautiful Property. Where what is one thing that you've learned over the past seven months Since since it's taken off taking off like that like when did when did it start really getting traction that you were surprised that you wake up one morning and you had a bigger bigger chunk of subscribers in the day before I was just talking to someone this this week that I was. Talking Ernie Arnold you'll know her. As she said, tim do you ever wake up amazed that you have more than eighteen people watching you? I'm like every day I'm amazed of because you know I'm just a simple guy out in the middle of West Tennessee doing took living. My dream is definitely my dream. but yeah, it was I was A couple. See. I had a Ernie hat maker and Kev Lazy Pawn Farm they both really helped helped me in my channel. They did some promotions and So I, got to go from fifty subscribers which took awhile a two hundred and fifty pretty quick and. That's when I realized. Wow that you know the the people I was meeting. Was, way more important were way more important than the videos I was making the content I was making so really. The biggest thing have learned since being on Youtube is I love the people I love the community and the content I put out is really secondary to the relationships on building as kind of why we did the Ridge live freedom tour. You know when we when things opened up, you know inveighs to base three of whatever this going on, and we were lied to go state to state on motorcycles and visit our friends. You know that was cool and that's really what you know what I just been blessed to do as meet. Really Awesome people. Asked really wrong and then it seems like just back to your your Homestead, your property, you have a lot of projects that you're trying to get done and the newest one I just saw. You can get some says. We've got so many projects going on you know the log home and walk home. We started permits last fall and it was so winner or so wet through the winter everything we did we just got some land cleared I was doing most of the clearing myself. I did have a dozer come out and do some things but this we got the foundation in and now the timber's are being put up. So that's the one of the big projects. That has got this going on. Of course. Now, what we're doing is chickens barn repair bends lines. We're doing rabbits just did a rabbit Hutch and me and my we're going to start raising meat rabbits. Bees honeybees I have a three hives in our APIARY Of course, we want to get horses horses more for trail riding a fence. What brought you know for pleasure you know of that that's more of a nicety. Then of course, hair sheep going to get hair sheet. Going to build a pond on one of fields, of course, hunting we we are a big hunting family. What is what is your favorite Product that you've done so far on on your homestead. With how it turned out or just the process of doing. So, many things that we in enjoyed some of them have been functional that that excuse me it really turned out. Well, some of them just been for pleasure. You know setting up the APIARY with a BS that's that's Been Fun the Barn Repair Barn repair you know getting. Bought the property, the barn was there. And the previous owners had left like three thousand linear feet of that would on the ground in termites just tore it up. Of course, they started getting into the. So tearing all that getting all that out burning it. Than Start Repairing the barn and we're we're still in the process of repairing born that's been really satisfying I got another video coming out. Soon, we we we we do the the water damage around the top. That's been a real satisfying. Of course, we had a big sinkhole on the side of the Ridge we moved in dirt and fill in grass growing. That was really functional, but now I sit. In my living room and look out to the barn. On. The Ridge. It just a very peaceful thing. I can't. I can't wait till. Do that drink coffee and watch the horses out there. That's yeah. That's GONNA be amazing. So yeah. So many things and I just feel blessed bill do any of them because you know some some people right now are going through a lot of tough times and I I I wanna make sure that here the at the ridge that we don't just say, Hey, look at us we're having so much fun. At that, we'll talk about that on Sundays that you know we're we're we're praying for people were giving back to the community were helping out. So if there's any way we can help anybody you know reach out. To your community. and. Make sure you're doing that too. I saw the core gills they had tons of eggs. During a few months ago, they just grab up a bunch of cartons of age and they went to all their neighbors and put them in their mailboxes and let them know. You just you just got him Donald Jerry's got you gotta be You've got to be good stewards. Definitely. Pay It forward and that's how it works your waivers. Is Paying it forward. This way young. I'm for like, I'm pro-life Bob There Well. Like. If. You put something like I have this year. That's a little tricks. Point so way. And I did say where you went to visit the Robertson's. Air Property would beautiful as well. And their farm animals on my gosh I was really cool. Lisa Marie the little with a the one who is she? Wanted to take her back so bad the now you know I don't know if they're selling that property they're downsizing. Is that They're moving towards being debt free and starting over so that you know they were selling the farm and all the livestock and all that we're going to link to rent for a little while they're going to get debt free or by an Acre of land and start homes Ed debt free so I can't wait to watch that journey. So yeah. I, really respect them for doing that too 'cause they can continue on with what they've got really not be set up for the future for their retirement but doing this way you gotTa Respect A. Family. So do you have plans for freedom tore apart to our freedom tower number two? On yet Yes. We're talking about so many friends on the east coast of North would be Kinda hard but we do something Donna Future. What we might do is I've got some family on the east coast we trailer the motorcycles to the east. coast. And then we just go up and down all the youtube friends and family on the East Coast. So maybe next. I don't think this is GonNa work maybe next spring. Now, one thing we did learn from this, this is our first real. Big Motorcycle Journey is not to schedule so many channels in so many miles in a day because it was tough, it was. Were riding three or four hundred miles is not too bad. But we're trying to stop and visit people for an hour or two. You know you're you're getting up at seven or eight you're getting into the hotel at midnight you know. Is. It was it was pretty tough and then you do it again the next day. End Up doing it for nine days. For eight days, but I end up missing to Mississippi channels and they live. So close, we just went the next day. So nine days we did that. So how long how long were you watching Youtube and people on before you decided to hop in start your channel. I really BEF- before I started my channels I was on I was literally using Youtube for how to's you know I really didn't have any channels that I watched for entertainment too much stony, rich farmers probably one of the first I started watching continuously not just for how to neck started watching how to's for him. And then Storage farmer who is the arm family and keeping it dodge and just started going out. Then I started getting into hunting channels I started getting to the are being travel channels we would love to travel then I find that I'm sitting. Broadcasting. My phone to my TV watching Youtube channels for fun entertainment and not watching TV anymore irregular broadcast networks my watch YouTube. Owning. And I want to see what Bob Shaving his beard on and you know just. It just it's better than watching some soap opera. Every everything's a soap opera in our rights. Thing just different day, and that's what we do as well. You know because now we've gotten so close to who we see that were interested in what is happening in your life you know and it's it's definitely a lot It comes to where everything comes to heart because she wanted to see how they're doing instead of the same a- same. Oh that you see every day on TV so we don't use that much as well. And I four-goal Said said if you're going up there on the east coast so you're welcome his four Jimmy time. So all yeah I I've watched abby hit some of the things that just amazing I. I'm really into that kind of thing to it's just pretty awesome. That'd be cool visit. Is there is there anybody that? that. On Your List on the East Coast that you'd really like to head up. Well What Am I. You know Kevin From Lazy Pond Farm. He's probably one of the first close east. coast. Friends I got and he supported. What he had about three, thousand, six, twenty, two, thousand subscribers or so when I first met him and he had, he had a goat kidding video where it was like a middle over a million views. And I met up with him and he today incubator giveaway in our name to help our channel out just been a great friend ever since he's in almost every one of our lives. So if I if I go to the East Coast I'm checking out Kevin his channel name is a Hashtag Lazy Pond Farm One word and he is just a great guy family man a rate you know raising beautiful family he works he's got homestead and he's going trying to get his bachelor's degree or another degree. So He's a busy busy young man. How, how? How would you say Or I. Guess. What what are some animals that you would recommend people start off with on a homestead and what are some to stay away from? Well. I'm not an expert that's for sure. But what I have learned in talking to all my home setting and farming friends of course, beans, beezer. So now if some people don't like bees, they're scared of bees and everything but B.'s are really great either animals or insects to have because they've produced so much honey you can get hundreds of pounds of honey and the wax the column we can do policy do so many things with it. You know medicinal and all that, and they really don't take that much. during the winter, you just got to keep them alive and a springtime. There's a lot of activity do summertime. It's collecting honey, and in the fall, there's just preparing them for the winter. So bs a really good rabbits were you know what I've learned about rabbits rabbits they can get like three hundred pounds of meat. Rabbits a year and rabbits are you know are contained in a small amount of space? So you really don't need much space for rabbits and rabbits can have babies like every twenty eight days every month and they're using, they're producing like eight to ten kits. And erotic a Domestic grabs can get huge. Robinson produced a lot of meat in in a in a short amount of time and for very little space. If you don't have you know forty acres if you only got a quarter acre lot and you can have rabbits, you can have homestead. Of course, chickens. Chickens are just you know you gotTa have chickens. Eggs all the time, and of course you can. You can harvest your chickens if you want to where we really don't harvest chickens here less it's a to me roosters. We'll get a video where we were plucking them in the flavors flying everything. That was fun but that's what we don't normally do so. Of Bees and rabbits, I'd say are just. A stable homestead now, you won't get into. A hairless sheep. That's something we're looking at next is hairless sheets that way you gotta sheer him and all that. Are So cute. A lot of people have goats but you gotTA. Go proof your property because they will climb they'll be on top of car. So be on top of your house they'll be they'll be. So we're not really sure do goat thing. Not yet, and of course, cows, you need lot of of space for cows. COW's take a lot but one cow for one or two acres is crazy. Yeah. It's not they need a lot of space so that that's my that's my recommendation I'm not an expert. Right whereas. When you're looking for your home said. Did. You guys like walk on their? No it was the place when you when you saw that one. We. we lived in Outside of Memphis, we didn't live. I don't I'm not a city guy for sure we lived in the suburbs we had. Kind in the country but you know we had the we had quarter Acre Lot. You know you know how that is and. It was pretty out there but you know it was to clubs too tight. So men I got I got remarried by my new wife of several years now she yeah, she's she's really outdoorsy sporty and all that, and we just wanted to move out and you know just how peace and quiet. and. So the Ridge. This property was the first one that met our criteria researching and. We we we visited and we just fell in love with it was kind of out of our price range we're like. We weren't sure that that's what we wanted to do Then we looked around for another few months or six months or so and we said you know what? That first one we visited that that was us you know gobbled provide a way. That's that's what we're GONNA do. And we bought it and it has just been a blessing ever since and it just you know. Just. Amazing. We fell in love with it. So yes, the very first property we looked at is where we were destined to be. That's for sure. How how did you meet? Yeah. That's a funny story. I had kids. I was previously married from for many many years went through a divorce. It wasn't a nasty divorce or anything, but you know. Life happens unfortunately that's something was out of my control but then. I moved out. I. Had I work I'm transferred my work division not too far just outside of Memphis and so I moved down here. And I was looking for a new church I started going to Bellevue Baptist Church. It's a it's a mega church. I've never been to a mega church before and so I I met some friends there and we're doing that and once once things were settled near thing I one on Christian mingle alcohol her dating sites. Christian, mingle. Darla my wife we met on. Christian, mingle. And we found that we had mutual friends from that church. That was crazy. So and Started dating and got married and. Living the life ever since so I've just been a blessing. I do see where Bama rush is indicating that the state he sandwiches South Dakota require certificate for beekeeping is that required where you're at? No no no Now most places you you have to register your hives which is free. Basically all you're doing saying you've got a apiary with one-two-three hives. Matter, of fact, I need to register my third winds cost one. basically, you just registered to let them know you have bees your this Tennessee at least. That way that you know there's there's some diseases that can be transmitted and They WanNa know what hives are out there and they can't come inspect them four American foul Brune, those type of things I've never had any inspections and I. Never I never heard anybody that had a random inspections, a member of a Beekeeping Association your area in Tennessee you just have to register them no fee, no cost and I think most of the states around me. You know they just want to know what beezer out there. and. Simple life big adventure there from his so they say. I love. I'm originally from Missouri I grew up in Missouri I worked in Arkansas for a while I was in the navy for most of my career of before where I work now and came back to the mid South here just love the Tennessee area I just love it. What's your? What's your favorite story from being there in the navy like Either with your buddies hanging out or just Just. Sometimes you had the the really stick in your memory. What's funny is funny. You ask that because when I was in a submarine and when you ask surface navy of veterans. Tell. A story. They always tell you about going into Portland these crazy people they met in all the crazy adventures and stuff. We ask of suburbs mariner. It's always about something that happened on the submarine because we we really didn't get to go with secret. You know you're underwater all the time you go out you hardly ever get to do the fun things. Like the surface guys did but one of the stories I had. We were we were we we were in a round Puerto Rico area the in the in the The The creek carrying see down there and we were. Doing some exercises and we were you at x number feet deep. It was like two o'clock in the morning and I. I was the engineering I was in electrical engineering and I was in the back spaces and the engineering spaces all sudden the vote hit something. I mean it's shuddered and it costs stalled and we did it with what's called a -mergency deep. So you know you're traveling along and had something happens go deep. So we wouldn't we did mercy deep and we weren't going it was kinda slowing us down. So then we surfaced, we had this we had to come up to Paris, go death to find out what happened and what we thought happened was we had hit a fishing. Trawler hit their net. Yeah and We were like, oh no, it's GonNa be dead fisherman and all that stuff periscope depth and what we find. Is, a navy frigate, one of our own. Chips. And what we hit was there submarine detection device called a towed array. That's how quiet are submarines our that our own government can't find us we. We're we're under the water and those guys that they use a device called a rainmaker and it Kinda Kinda makes us not bill to hear them. But we were going through and we hit their towed array with with our propeller and wrapped it all up, and so we had to come up but luckily, they were all fine. We were all fine but we had to go on the surface to Kings Bay Georgia. Now modern submarines are not made to go on the surface of the ocean they're they're like a bobber you know and we went for two and a half days on the surface. We couldn't go fast because all the steel those wrapped around her propellor. So guys who've been the navy for twenty years we're getting seasick. Foods doing this just like on the movies, your food doing. All it was. It was. Terrible. But. We pulled into Georgia and had to get all that fixed. But that was that was that was a crazy days there. Irish force at home said said, but have no life see. His exact. Right we would. We would. We would fill the hall of the ship and go hey, we're reporter Rico Hey we're in the arctic circle or hey, we're in. You know we're off the coast of Spain right now because. If you're temperature you know. What So What kind of job did you do on loader repair and stuff or I was in the engineering space I was a nuclear electrical technician. So the nuclear reactor. The nuclear reactor made steam. You know you boiled water and you had a steam generator and they would turn turbans that made A. Generation of power and also the engines were steam turbines. So my job was taken care all the electrical power generation from nuclear reactor. So All the distribution to the power on the shift, and of course, preventive maintenance in controls of all the the electrical electronic devices that that's what I didn't navy. Mice. and. Tom and Rhonda in here. Yeah. That's jared. Crocker's neighbor. You guys don't. Watch the sitting hot tub, the other day and. There's great. Yeah What has been your favorite. Video you feel so far. Well it's it's not your most most popular video that that's that's that's that's crazy my. I'm most favorite video. Oh, Gosh. Let me. Let me the most popular video on Youtube. Channel like most of Y'all know your most popular video isn't the one. You probably spent the most time on and the best thought process honor had the best lighting. We got home from work one day. The wife and I am Kim in the House and go up. No smell, right. We. We've got a big dog, a key economy course. Oh, he's Italian mastiffs and he got set in general. He had a stomach issue and he got sick and you want a big dog it's hundred thirty pounds get sick. Aso, first thing I do is I take him outside I take his Kennel outside and it's starting to get barking in in the in the evening, and of course, Youtuber are set the camera of the Kennel I give them a bath. And with some dogs you gotTa do This. Is Nasty. Got Express Rano glands y'all y'all know talking about. So I did that on video. And it in the lighting was terrible. It was impromptu you the audio was not good. And I got like three thousand views. Now, it's up to like six thousand views. It was like the most part. By Kubota signed by review I think is passed it now. So now now I ain't GonNa say squeeze the Dogs Butts, my most pot were video. Reason people four. With poop. Any. All of it. But, probably, my most favorite videos have been my lessons from the ranch. The ones I was a prerecording. Stepping off the Kayak into the water and sitting between the bees saying you know the straight narrow path if I by the way if so those are just my personal, they're not great as far as. Fear, but there's some of my personal favorites. and. Trauma Ronaldo what type of rifle there behind. That is my great GRANDPA's sixteen gauge I. I have no idea what brand it is. It's so old you know it's been worked on so many times. I've actually contact with that. I've had dove with it, and now it's retired though because it is so unsafe. You know you just do like this. It's a IT'S A. Single shot and you do like this, it goes off but I have. that. That's a that's my great GRANDPA sixteen gauge from believe it's from the late eighteen hundreds late eighteen he he he got it after that. But that's an old gun. I have a question about your. Your Gopro that you just a review October thinking about actually purchasing wine in how is it so far it? A like dislike or do you recommend it the GOPRO hero eight There's rumors gopro hero nines coming out, and that's probably why the eight they they they. They during recent holiday they had hundred dollar off sale. I think they're still doing one hundred dollars off on Gopro hero eight but I had a Gopro hero five session the Little Cube. And I used it on my motorcycle trips are Gopro hero eight. Is Amazing it filming everything in Four K now. And the difference between ten eighty and four K. is just When you try to zoom in on a shot ten, eighty gets really quick. When you're a four K., you can zoom in and you're still at ten eighty you know on a portion of the screen. Yeah, and The you can go so high a frame rate, and of course, when you go high of frame rate, you can do slow motion and sometimes again I'm still learning all this stuff but The reason it was to livestream. You can livestream today eighty the youtube. And I'm still playing with that trying to get accessories the microphone I'm going to be doing a about the the medium odd for it. So I've got you can plug in. External Mike's that has built in. On it, and I'm doing a light attachment anyway so far I really liked to go great. I don't know about the Gopro your online, what they're doing with it but I would definitely love the four case. The image stabilization is amazing. It's almost like you've got a gamble. It really is nice. We really recommend I need to check into it. For the price Gopro Gopro so pricey bran, but with one hundred dollars off. It's it's of course, it's not a camcorder light, my cannon and. Cannon Victor. I got it. Really Hunting 'cause I can zoom in a forty forty time in. Optical and this thing is waterproof. It's a camcorder that's waterproof. All I wrote the audio is not good on it. Breath bill to you on your hunting or you're on a trip L. Pros take great video, but you can't zoom. Zoom you lose all that resolution will this I zoom in forty times I still have ten eighty p you know 'cause zooming optically, and so it's been brought I a review of this. I've had some issues with it though I'm actually on the third one I've had to get it replaced under warranty twice but soap, but so far it does it does what purposes but Gopro off. What would you say? A mistake you made so far on your channel that you you tell other people to avoid. making off that. My. Biggest mistake is not including my wife and a lot of the decision making with some of the content. because I am so enthused I I I'm having a blast I love it and I assume everyone of my family loves it as well and She's a little bit more purse Reserve National Reserve. She's definitely outgoing. She's a little more protective of her personal information. And so sometimes I've I've I've put things out to the world that she would have at least liked to have been consulted with. So that's probably my biggest mistake or is when you're? Concerned of your neighbors where you're putting out and your family. When you're doing this in some of the public, you know you might want him before you include them in a lot of things going on because they they may be upset with it. I could have done that better at for sure. Rock. right there in the same boat. So. and his way was saying that a your favorite video should have been when you visited. Him that should have been your favorite. came out yet that video is not published yet so. Join. Only going by the publish videos I've got some videos that made with Gopro here weight and visited on this Ridge Freedom tour. But yeah, they're they're they're gonNA be on his way homestead. Doug Cave commander making he is amazing. He's getting the rabbits from so you'll be seeing him very soon. Awesome awesome. How did you guys start getting into motorcycles? Probably my midlife crisis you know I yeah. I had never wasn't a motorcycles. You know I had dirt bike as a kid a little mini bike and then a dirt bike but Probably, five six, seven years ago I gotTa do Coty. Diablo is power cruiser and fell in love with it and then got. The exile, which is a cruiser, and then my wife has a monster eight, twenty one and she'd never really was a motorcyclist either and but we love the the time we can spend together the road and just rolling you know We haven't done too many big trips of in this region tour. We do a lot of weekend day trips and stuff. So we'd love it but just really just last five, six years. Always always interesting to to learn that some people you know they've been doing it since they were young. That's all they ever had really motorcycles. Yeah I I. Ride my into work I if it's a pretty day I commute to work with it. Hard for us Bob because my you know mouths always had a bike you know and we decided to let it go and he's had it like you were saying riding dirt bikes and we had harleys forever but then You know we thought that we can start. Exploring the jeep. Wrangler and maybe we can do more off roading especially since we WANNA do a Lotta boom docking that made me the bike wasn't a good route but I can tell you that he truly Mrs Bike. and has been about a year that he hasn't had a bike but we figured you know we can rent one. We still kept our helmets are gear and made me wear we end up we can just go and ran a bike and just cruise on it for that day and. and Go that route. I would love to let go to Costa Rica or Honduras and rent a bike and travel the mountains and stuff that would just be the journey. I would love that video all add the people you visit in the scenery thing I, love traveling to things like that. Will a girl they have had A. Two. Thousand Thirteen Honda Shadow Bantam with nine hundred miles. And epic are epic rb adventure says a, he used to have a BMW. Cage twelve hundred. and he also loves the and. Kane are recited the finally show up Taylor. Are Are Yaser. Awesome. As well at the moment to Oh. Yeah. Baba do want to say from your live I was on the other day the ability to tip you. That was really cool. You know you're not monetize yet. You'll be very very soon. You talked about being a tip that process I was surprised. I'd I'd never done that before except for your live the other day other than you know, I've done super chats on Youtube but the link that your screen bought Stream thing is putting out. Really simple views I clicked on it and a yard had a pay pal account and it was it was it was it easier than doing a super chat? Really it was. It was awesome. So Hasn't done that to Bob's adventure yet actually click on his link and Try, that tipping. Helped him out vandals man builder you. Yeah I appreciate that and Yeah. Pops I. Want I really want to do it. I can do almost like a super chat. So it POPs up in the chat when people do it and so I have set up like that and then reading your guys ring ring, your guys is links to the thank you but it was. It was something I've been thinking about because I've been watching how everybody else for so long and I wanted to set it up that way. So figuring out how to do it was was really cool. Notifications Right Bob as you receive them, Yup Yup it POPs POPs. Up and chat. So yeah for. Snow was really cool. Yeah Iran. A all channels that are are have a subscriber base family based like you have. If you haven't gotten monetize yet try that out. It was pretty cool. And yes, Bama crush. They take thirty percent When when people do and I've heard and you have little experience with this now 'cause you're you're monetize Tim I've heard that they used an apple device apple take some of to. Get you know what that was Kinda units that I was I Super Chat you know my on. Youtube. All the time with my friends and When I super chat people my laptop. I get no fee. But when I've super chat from a phone, the the person's super chatting with AFI. Let less goes to the. Some like. It was it was weird but I don't I. Don't think I get charged thirty percent by Youtube of my super. Chats. It's thirty I. think it's more like fifteen or seventeen. There may be different different Fee based system I'm I don't really think it's thirty percent Because I share all the information on my youtube channel with my subscribers. I'm going to be putting out a video very soon of how much I made my first month being monetize how it all works out where the money comes from and really it. You get very, very little money from from the the views the. Chat Super. Chats are really how your your channels or supported and I don't remember it being thirty percents but it was it was bigger than I thought it was going to be. That's for sure. But. yeah. I think it's I. Think it's good to share that car theft because I think. People they they get, and then they go I'm going to get monetize or whatever, and they don't. Then you're in the dark that it's like you only hear the big channels when they talk about. Any of that, and then the people before but you never really hear about the people that are just starting out in that position. So that's really good to share. On a spree screen captures show the analytics and where you know where the money came from our expecting based on my my viewership because monetize views are not the same as views. The views that you know people watch the commercials are the ones that pay and I was expecting about fifty or sixty dollars a month from youtube and I'll tell you right now that first month I had hundred dollars from you to that was what Bernard and three dollars and I was like, wow, you know that's way more I thought now the second. One hundred dollars? But I I was. You know because I'm not doing this. For an income. At any money I get in. I. I usually give back towards giveaways and you know buying the t shirts, do all the giveaways and stuff so I just. Give it back pretty much. But I was really surprised and I that was that was really at a fifteen hundred subscribers back then. Now I'm close to twenty, six hundred and you know you start getting into five, thousand, ten, thousand subscribers. Like, Jason Crocker does it for living. That's his living in I I-. Awesome I, I love seeing people being able to do what they love and be able to live off of it. So I don't know Bob get that right. You will be doing it very soon. You will be monetize and I. Hope that you were accused Success I. See you being twenty thousand subscribers here very very soon. I hope so and. That's part of the reason for going on the road because from everything I've heard is is like simple right? PRE-K set a log their stuff came from little road trip they did for their property that was. Going on the road and and and and doing this and helping build the channel is is the whole purpose behind otherwise I would just hang around here I can film a bunch of stuff just around here over. To go and build it up and Lynn the OAK. If you'd like say anonymous you can't use don't put your name in the in the name box and it'll pop as anonymous in if you WANNA leave it that way. That's fine too I. Don't I don't I don't care either way, but it's just if you don't want to be anonymous I, do want to thank you and put your Lincoln that's also. I. If you don't mind I'd love to do a giveaway a real quick simple giveaway. We're forty, four, forty, five minutes into this on a make sure that your your your viewers get a chance to participate in this I wanNA, do a giveaway here on Bob's adventures live. And it's based on his channel. So if you're a follower of Bob's adventure, you're gonNA. Know the answer to this question and I'm GonNa give away a ten dollar Amazon card I'll contact Bob to make sure you're actually a subscriber to Bob's adventure I want. I want you to be a subscriber to Bob's adventure to be eligible to win this and. Can. Here so far. So we're. Simple question and what I'll do is I'll go to your about page on Youtube, and hopefully you've got your email address and contact you to make sure the right person can sleep and I'll talk to Bob to probably if there's any questions and I will contact you and get you your information for your Amazon Gift Card. Our. So everybody's ready The other panelists here going to be the judge's for who wins this because I. It's hard for me to see my screen here as I'm talking. So the question for the ten dollar Amazon Card is not rosy is not plum crazy. Those are some of the answers from. His. On crazy and Rosie. No that's not the answer. The question, the ten dollar Amazon Card for Oz adventure is Bob recently. Went to a pick apart and had to apart for his band bill what part Bob and show on his live he actually held up somebody's GonNa win ten dollar Amazon car. What part did Bob get for his band build it got from pick apart place and he showed it on his reese last his last live somebody's GonNa win this ten dollar Amazon car. Bombs, adventures lives and knows that he had this part and said he had to get this for his van somebody somebody. Now. Not a power steering pump there you go his way. Got His. Stand got it awesome Barrio. I've already got a ten dollar Amazon card sitting in for my last live. Below. The, job good job. Good job done. You can tell Doug follow her to Bob's adventure. Yeah. And by the way. I guarantee I wouldn't have gotten a car reiter for because you'll injected so. That's what I guarantee I wouldn't have gotten. That's awesome. Thanks. Extra. Let me do that. That was fun. Thank you. Thank you for doing it. So I really really appreciate it actually because I didn't even give my thousand subscriber giveaway. WAS ON. Gina Pain Show are the show that we both do and it was on her thing. So that was actually the first giveaway. So you have the credit. That you the first base though. And Flex Capacitor Oh man if that was real. I think all of us would like to have one of. Sometimes in life. I am waiting for the power steering pump, but that's not what I went to pick and phone get. So. I WANNA give a plug it's not really a plug for me it's a plugged help everybody else out facebook is a good way to share your videos but most facebook groups don't want you sharing youtube links, they they they they decline your posts and all that stuff well. I've got a facebook group that I made and open to all youtubers is called a home setting and country living by Ridge life. Wants to. monetize on not getting money or anything, but I want people to be able to share their video links on. US On facebook so. And the are being dis that's country on if you're traveling checking things out. Post on their post, your you know comments, post a your recipes, post your adventures, post your video lakes, whatever you want to make sure the community grows. Freely. So facebook does not like that usually on groups, but my group is free and open. Yeah. I started one. Traveling Youtuber self-promotion, welcome welcome group, and for the same reason because I was like. Your, and some of the groups could choose and select who who whose pulse refined to be posted in. WHO's weren't so. Yeah yeah. Go definitely has because there's a lot of people in there that aren't necessarily in our our community and to be some new people for you guys to. Hook up with an meet. So and Oji thon there's another there's another person on the beard uptown twenty twenty. he is. He's going to be grown as beard out as well. Go ahead. Nettie I. Know You got some questions know how often tim do you do your Your camp fireside chats like your lives that you've been doing the. Monthly I noticed that you were doing that as well, and which we love fire fire. The fireside chat was. Up until a couple of weeks ago all my lives were milestone based know whenever I hit a milestone a subscriber count a Upload Count of views count it was pretty much weekly so I was doing almost a weekly live to celebrate those but they would be Sunday there'd be Tuesday Thursday so What I recently started doing is Thursdays at. Seven PM central we do our lives now they're not all fireside chats because when it's ninety degrees out harvesting humidity, I don't go outside the spring was really nice to do the fireside chat and here in the fall will be doing a lot of those outside by the Fire I. I love Love Love that. So I just bought bought some soft box lighting. I. Don't know if you can tell how bride I am but that's going to help me out by the fire because it's so dark I think I'll just take one of these out there. You will see me but still fire you know I love that. Let's thanks momentum just came in as well. As. Some momentum Aaron Jemison came in a little bit ago the trips they're they're in here as well. And If you ever go to Canada for originally tour, there's some. There's some Canadian channel litter hanging around enough now to. Our friends in Canada now than I I didn't even know. I love to Canada, and of course, Alaska loved go up and do a tour of Alaska I got some friends up there. Sean in Alaska is channel. Awesome. Just some really cool things going on in Alaska. Alaska. Awesome. Go I. Wish we can go there I. think that'd be amazing. When When you when you look back at your? When you first started your channel. I know I. Know earlier you were saying, yeah you're you're super happy that you have more than eighteen and I told people out to long lab more than one person in my life. That's way better than what I started with But if you go back and tell yourself, hey, Tim, I'm just let you know when you start this pretty soon you're going to be having twenty, five hundred people coming in and seeing you what would have made you almost Reconsider doing it. Would you would you? Rethought about one better equipment all that stuff before he began. You know. I really. I really haven't spent much money on things like that Now now now I'm twenty, five, hundred into it I I am getting Softbank's lighting. I don't have special Mike's yet I do WANNA. Road. Wireless mic of some things but now I think people shouldn't have to worry about that. When they're starting youtube, just get your I mean most people just use their camera and. An iphone seven or above makes. Your video and the audio is not too bad. If you're if you're within a few feet and just just video, just livestream just. Video was in you and you'll worry about those other things later. and. That's what I did. I have no regrets yet that the video quality wasn't that good. The audio wasn't that good. The lighting would that good but that's not why I watch a lot of my friends channels because of their lighting in their audio I watch it's cool to watch Jason Crocker his his cinematography is awesome but I would watch him do his thing even if he didn't have that and. So when I watch Bob's adventures not because he's got this really cool backdrop you know. Like your window screen behind you in your. Jack Daniels. But It's that's not while we watch our friends on Youtube it does help in a will help in the future but I know I don't regret any of that and. As I get better and as I learned things I, share those things with my friends. So maybe when they're starting out, they won't make some of the same mistakes I made It's been a great ride a loving every minute of it. And that's what I told everybody like I do this. I'm doing this right now cell phone I'm running the whole three more the cell phone so If you WANNA do you can do it. Now Tim, how difficult was it to create the video? You did about the dogs I Q. That No. Yeah that was a collaboration with a home sitting in the great outdoors they came to me about it and. The with with A few channels and no with our dogs it was really. Getting dogs to participate was really the hardest part you know. The. The task than things you know we're already predetermined really and when I just had to get them to do it that was fun and Niro. My Italian mastiffs you know we we did basic training with him class and he is very very well behaved a block blackjack are Labrador it'll. He's still a puppy rough basically and you know puppies puppies are and he's not as formally trained. I trained him a little bit but He's a little harder to get to participate anyway. Yeah. The Niro he I, Love I love. My are Niro. He's a he's a great dog that was a fun video that really was. Good it was for a good cause to make sure people. Don't daughter rescues and spayed neutered dogs. We make sure that they take care of their babies. Right right for sure. And tumbleweed RV life they're going to go live the top of the hour well, that works out well because. I gotta I gotTa leave early today anyway. So works out well for everybody. So we'll go we'll be going over there and about five minutes or so. Where where do you want? Are. Are Now that you're you know once. Or once I hit one hundred on like who knows how many is going to get. But then once they hit thousand I'm like. I. Don't put a limit now on myself of like what I want to set a goal goal S. Was it about the same for you. Once you once you got past a certain amount where you're like, who knows what's going to happen with this? Absolutely sometimes you wake up and you've got fiber ten new subscribers, and sometimes you know some video just gets up in the algorithm and you'll get a hundred, two hundred you know in a twenty four hour period and you're like what happened there, and then some days it's like stale and you know under fact Youtube does this thing where they purge all the people that didn't comment. They watched you in alive. They subscribed that never commented they and then Youtube urges you and I'll lose all I've lost one, hundred, fifty subscribers one time a hundred and fifty gone. And it just heartbreaking. to know that friends have to go find you again Happens. I was put that back out but I've been averaging one, hundred hundred and fifty subscribers a week there for a while as far as putting limitations on if I go back two thousand. Happy, you know. So be it but if I go on to five thousand by the year, that's GonNa be amazing and really I had a goal. I like to be a five thousand by the end of the year. I'm not at the right to do that. But like you said, I'm not GonNa Limit Myself based on what I'm doing now. It's a hoax. Daniel arms Daniel a t-shirt arms home said he held it up. And I got like thirty drivers from that. Tim Holding my t shirt up I got thirty subscribers ten minutes when he released that video, Jason Carpenter isn't Crocker a wears my on three of his videos and I get like a hundred and thirty subscribers that weekend you know you just you just never know. What's GonNa Happen on Youtube? So whatever happens happens I'm just having a blast a meeting people like you all come honored. The, honor to come on and talk to Y'all and talk to new friends like you've got. You've got in your chat room here. it just it just amazing. I love it. So if I go down at thousand or up. It's all good up into me. And your your shirts are red shirts because you did the remember everyone deployed. I got regular. But I've also got black shirts and grey shirts. Special shirts I'm sending to all the channels I visited I did like a concert t you know how the concert T. has all the locations of the concert Memphis. I did that for the rich like freedom tour of channel visits. So I'm sending them t shirts and on the back and has all the names of the channels I visited in a big American flag on it. So they'll all be getting. We're hoping hopefully you'll be saying those under videos. It's awesome. You have anything else you WANNA ask before we get out here in any. Now I just really appreciate this time to Oh man, I'm sorry. Happy to have him on the show because definitely his channel is awesome you know and I'm definitely going to be checking you out. Yeah. I love everything. You've been doing in this community and it's just great with all of us connecting you now. And I WANNA. Thank you for being on to and go ahead and. Let people. Know. Who May just come in or whatever Why go check you out? Ridge's life we are a not a home setting channel. We're not hunting fishing outdoors channel. It's all about the ridge life. So we whether we're in a camper trailer going to uh the ozarks trout fishing or we're on our do motorcycles running around the country visiting youtube channels or were trapping or fishing or hunting, or you're raising chickens or bees or rabbit sir, it's just our life and our for Sundays. We share the shared a share, the word of Christ. and. That's just our life and I. Hope People can come to ridge life. It's one word and share experience I love the comments I love responding to all the comments and when we do our lives on Thursday at seven, pm Central, I love seeing new channels come in, and if we're not if are being channels come in or coin collecting or scrappers, dumpster divers, I, follow all those people are welcome. Welcome all our channel. Awesome awesome. Yeah I will see you guys on Monday judgy stuff from my kirks tomorrow I'll be over there watching him probably tomorrow morning to you because I figured out what service I'm on tonight not the same furious that you're going. So I'll to watch ball. So. You guys on Monday stop waiting for life to happen and Make life happened guys I'll see you. Monday.

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Ep. 433 - U.S. Navy SEALs arrested in Haiti

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1:36:10 hr | 2 years ago

Ep. 433 - U.S. Navy SEALs arrested in Haiti

"He doesn't just not using. You're listening to self lady special operations military on straight talk with the guys in the community. Safra radio on time on target. I would say I mean, quite a lot going on and special operations related news right now. And I feel like most of this audience knows exactly what I'm talking. Never dull moment. Yes. You've been following the news rap Fowler, Instagram, Twitter and involve some familiar name. So you wrote an article that went up yesterday as reporting this on the news rep dot com. I guess just for those not in the know, let's give the whole back story of what's going on right now. Yes. So this story started to break with Haitian newspapers and local Haitian journalists. And then it got picked up by the Miami Herald. Sensibly because they're so close to the Caribbean. And they probably have contacts down in Haiti. So they're kind of all over that story. And I think they did a pretty good job with it. But the the story that emerged was that a group of American and Serbian private security contractors were rested down in Port-au-Prince Haiti. This was just over the weekend. And when the police came and questioned them, I think they became initially suspicious because it was a pickup truck and SUV about a block away from the Haitian central Bank and it had the license plates removed. So that's an indicator all what's going on here. And then the police went, and they started asking them, then these oil white foreign guys, and they said they were working for the government, but they couldn't identify themselves, and it turned out they had all kinds of weapons and everything inside the vehicles. Pictures taken by the police show, all these m four rifles, and they they took these guys into custody because they can identify themselves. I mean, you can't fault the police for that. I mean, it seems reasonable that. There's a bunch of ours with vehicles of the license plates missing in vehicles filled with guns. You know, the police are going to take an interest in that. And to be honest. They stand out as white contract. Dominantly black for sure for sure. So it starts to hit the press the names start to start to come out some of the political people. The prime minister's office starts talking about how these are white terrorists and mercenaries and things like this. Some of the names that sir coming out. The one that jumps out to me or jumped out to me when I was looking like a blog. I think actually down in Haiti was Christopher Osmond. Okay. Chris Osmin was a navy seal. And then the Miami Herald picked up on another one of the names Chris McKinley. Who was formerly Chris Hebron of also former navy seal McKinley was seal team, eight and Osmond was seal team three, and you guys may remember changed his name after a you know, what you guys can do the research, but pretty much concocted story about getting shot by these park. It was a couple years ago. Chris Hebron at that time now McKinley he claimed that these three African Americans came by in a vehicle and started yelling racial slurs at him. And that it was because he bad mouthed Obama on CNN and then shot him in the abdomen, and then sped off in their car. And according to mckinlay's account, he like tried to plug the bullet wound gotten his car and start chasing after them. And then realized you know, OSHA, I'm shot actually, this doesn't feel so hot and drove himself to the hospital and the police refuted that they're like, well, this isn't shown in the security cameras from the nearby fire department the cellphone records from McKinley don't match up with where he said he was. And apparently I was reading new store yesterday. There's a police cruiser two policemen parked about sixty five feet away from where this alleged incident took place, and they're like why what are you talking about? So they charged him with making false statements to the police. And he was found not guilty in court. So you make of that what you will. And then there was a former marine can't Croker who works with Croker partners. Although Croker partners their website has this. Disclaimer up on it, and it says, although I'm looking at it. Now right here. Yeah. Croker partners LLC has no active engagements underway and Haiti is not in a position offer comments on recent developments in the country that said, despite the fact that they're chief operations officer was just arrested down there. This couple Serbian guys. One of them is a naturalized American resident so. He works for a company called k seventeen that I was doing a little bit of research on their downs based down in the Washington DC area. But what company was actually contracting? These guys. There was some sort of front. I maybe front company sounds a little too far east. But there was some sort of contracting company that they had to bid on the contract for an order to secure it. I mean that will all come out in the wash so backtrack a little bit. And speaking to my source on the subject what actually happened here was that these guys this group of guys had been hired by the Haitian central Bank. And if you pull down the article, you'll have to forgive my horrible French accent? But it is stop right there. The Bank della Republic, the Haiti Biard h which is it's basically the Haitian treasury department, and from what I've been told they hired these guys Osmond McKinley Croker and their associates to go down there and do VIP security to do like security consultations, secure like infrastructure type assessments security assessments, and to do armed security for city to city monetary transfers within Haiti so in this sense. Now, this is where you get into some of the grey areas. I mean, these guys were not down there running like some sort of five by night mercenary operation or coup or or anything like that. Like they have to look at it from their perspective. They look at it like, I'm contracting with the Haitian federal government. It's not like they're working for some criminal elements. So their minds everything's on the up and up. But here's the thing as it turns out, of course, is that your contracting with one faction of the Haitian federal government. It's not like you're contracting with the US government where we have a relatively normal remind federalized system where it's not like if you go and work for the Republicans, the Democrats are going to come in arrest you or if you work for a local state government that the federal government won't be in the know or something like that. Right. Right. And if you do a contracting armed guard work for the state of New York, it's not like the FBI is going to come in arrest you for that over some sort of like intro polit intro political feud that they have going on between the state and federal government. I mean that that's like the sort of banana Republic stuff that we don't have here in the United States, thankfully, but Haiti of course, I mean, it's a third world country. They are. Are destitute. It's impoverished corruption is endemic. I mean, I've talked to people I've never been there myself. I've talked to people who've worked security down there, including Jim west where security detail down there that was way back in the nineties, but I've talked to also a friend of mine who did a documentary down there. And it's just a deplorable situation. It's a really sad situation that the people who have down there have to live in. So that's just a little bit of context to that. And so the problem was for these former seals and marine when they went down there from what I've been told the central Bank didn't give them identification cards. The call. The Bank is Biard h the central Bank didn't give them identification cards and did not inform the local police, then tell them that they were there. So again from the perspective of the local police, you can't really fault them for for making this arrest. I mean, they were right to be suspicious. And once they made the arrest now. Now, these contractors are caught up in this the middle of this political feud because from what has come out through the Miami Herald looks as if the president's office hired these guys through the central Bank to do this extra security work. The prime minister on the meantime, the prime minister and the president or arrivals and hate each other and down in Haiti. And so the prime minister's office the second he sees this arrest using it for his political advantage. And he's saying these guys are foreign mercenaries here to assault to the executive office, etc. Etc. And that just isn't true. That's not what was happening there. So they get arrested on what on Sunday, I believe it was. And then yesterday they were all released and the the US embassy personnel escorted them to the airport and had them flown to Miami. And from what we saw because there's video of it on a regular commercial flight. Yeah. Correct. So I mean thank goodness for that. And I know Chris Osmin has this kind of weird obsession with with this company. And you know, we get into that just I'm just going to tire a touch upon it and the interest of full disclosure that he has had this long running very public feud on social media with Brandon Webb who is the CEO of hurricane and this audience knows Brandon because brand you know, right early on the he'll be back on a couple of weeks. And and news rap and soft. Operato or properties of hurricane. So essentially, Brandon Webb is my boss. He's he's the guy. I answer to if anything comes up and myself. I mean, we have editorial discretion I do pretty much do what I want. But as far as like business decisions, you know, Brandon is at the helm, right? So I think it's important to disclose that now despite Chris Osmin spreading these very like asinine conspiracy theories on social media about about this company, and even even revealing details of my personal life on his Instagram, which I didn't appreciate and people would send me screen shots of it. Like, Well, Chris Osmond, talking about your honeymoon and stuff. I'm like this is weird. Like this guy needs to get a life for figure his own thing out, whatever this is about. But I try to separate myself from that. I. Long story short as distasteful some of the things I think Osmond has done. I I would not wish Haitian prison on anyone. And when I came in here or when I was prepping, the do this this podcast last night. I was like well as I was writing this article that that we published yesterday. I was like thinking we're going to have to come in here and talk about human rights conditions and Haitian prisons, and you know, that US citizens are down there being abused. And I would not wish that on on Osmond or McKinley or anybody. I mean that is just a fucking horrible thing. And again, looking at it from their perspective, they're black. We were working for the Haitian government. Like, what's the problem, we won't work in for like drug cartel or something like, we've us alone. But I'm glad that they got released and that they're back in in the United States. Now as we understand it. These guys were arrested when they landed in Miami. It's not clear yet what the charges were they arrested for quote, unquote, you know, mercenary activities there's also the question of the weapons so they got arrested with all those those rifles. The question is how did they get their? We're those weapons. Acquired locally in Haiti because of the central Bank are allowed to be armed because obviously there's a high chance that that the Bank could be robbed or that. There could be a transit heist as you're moving money around. And there are quite a few guns and Haiti to say the least so maybe they were locally acquired. Maybe they were you know, property of the Haitian government, which were would that was and they were issued to these guys when they arrived in Haiti. But then there's a question were they brought from the United States. Then the question becomes we're they brought legally because if that stuff is an all blessed off on like you cross your T's and dot your eyes like that serious federal time for weapons trafficking. Just a little sidebar on that story. And I mean Faulk I'll just I'm just going to tell the story without mentioning the person's name because people recognize it, a friend of mine reached out to me this was maybe five years ago for years ago, and he's was going to meet with a security company again fairly not not a company that's known for like providing armed guards or security contractors. But a company that's involved in security say they say physical security here in the United States and elsewhere and has pretty instant name, brand recognition. He was contacted by the owner of this company who wanted to send this gentleman, I know. To Mali to conduct offensive operations like shooting people killing people to take over some gold mine or some some mining facility and one in my friend to take sniper rifles with them over there and go don't kill people at this fucking mind. And I told my buddy I was like, listen, bro. This has FBI sting all over it just walk away and any did, thankfully, but it just goes to show. It's like what we were talking about with contracting job in in Yemen with Dell Comstock, and I mean, I stand by what I said in that case like I have to encourage other veterans out there. Don't get involved in this shit like please own server. You said that prior to the interview at L Comstock. So we didn't even know Dell was involved at the time. And I remember you went on kind of a veteran. Yeah. Just like, you know, you may think this sound school. It sounds very romance. Antic? But I mean, don't do it, man. And I know that or I'm sure that is men and McKinley felt like everything was on the up and up because they're contracting with the Haitian government. But they probably were not aware of the political situation. And maybe not the social situation in Haiti, and you know, that proved to be their undoing in some ways. So even if they're contracts domestically like like, we covered the tiger Swann deal out at the Dakota Access pipeline. Like, man, you gotta be really really careful about this kind of stuff. And it's one thing if you're contracting for the US government working at the G R S stuff, or if you're a green badge or a contractor even working for, you know, ground branch or some other paramilitary aspect of the Central Intelligence Agency. That's one thing. I mean, you're protected by the US government. But you go overseas and you start working these shady contr. Facts. And you have to understand that first off whatever you do. You are no longer a uniformed American soldier. You are not working under title, ten of the US code, which which authorizes military action. You are not protected by the Geneva Convention. You are not protected by American law because you are outside the United States. You have basically zero protection. What's none whatsoever? So I would encourage young guys young Rangers young seals whoever it is. When you're looking at these contracts and taking them take them to an attorney have it reviewed. I a lot of people have this notion that you know, because this this contract and company is owned by a former seal or a former delta force green beret, whoever it is that it's legit. The reality of the vast vast majority of these companies as just a website that looks really professional, and we do risk mitigation and maritime security, and this and that when really it's just like one guy, maybe two guys, and what they do is they go out and just bid on every every contract they can find and what they're doing is trying to under bid the competition. So they will put in recklessly bids on contracts to try to get the secure that that contract for themselves. And then they have to fill the contract with a. Miniscule budget because they underbid everyone else. So these companies will make it look as if they have a bunch of former delta operators like hard core. Stand up dudes on standby ready to go fulfill the terms of the contract, but really it's just one guy working for this this company. And now they're going to be surprised as anyone else when they actually get the contract and they're like oh shit. And now they have to fill it out. They have to flesh it out with personnel. So you start making phone calls whoever's available, and you don't get necessarily the most professional people, and I'm not saying that to a cheap shot at the guys who are on this particular contract. And I was going to say in this case when you say make phone calls these guys both at a very big. So full media presence. I believe McKinley deleted Instagram. We know Osborne is big on Instagram. If you're out there, you know, talking about your credentials easy. Gotta find Dell com- neck is pretty active on soc. Media's that's actually an interesting point you're making their, Ian. Because I was told the same thing about the dapple contract. The tiger Swann not just tag respond, but other companies out there doing the Dakota Access pipeline contract. They suddenly got this money thrown at them to do site security for the pipeline. And I was told by several people that that's what it turned into that. It was a rush to find personnel. And they were basically just like finding people on social media. And like, it makes us and them DM's like, bro, you vailable come out here and do this and do and in doing that, you don't necessarily get the most professional most qualified people. Yeah. You're able unlike someone make no linked in profile, if something you see through Chris osmond's profile and all that that he is regardless of is reputation is legit as a navy and right. It's the fast easy way to do it. But it doesn't necessarily give you the best results. So it's a it's a weird situation. And that's why when you start talking about private security contracting companies private intelligence firms. So many of them are just a cluster. Fuck. I mean, they're really joke when when you start like you see the fat man behind the curtain, and it's like, this is not cool at all. It's really just a fly by night kind of operation. That's gertz. The the the line of the law, very carefully. But again despite all of this. That's just a little background. I hope you know, some other veterans listening to this can. Put in their back pocket and take with them before they get involved in something like this because I hate to see any of our guys end up in that kind of situation. But again, I I am glad Osmond and McKinley in Croker and all these other guys have been released from Haiti because they they would have been held in and really deplorable conditions. And they're human rights would not have been respected down there and the court system down there is also completely corrupt. So a quick search can show you that there they pack something like seventy six guys into a tiny cell when you're in a prison in eighty. Yeah. They'll just put you into a cage like, you're you're an animal or something. It's it's horrendous view two videos out there. So we'll see what happens from here that apparently these guys were arrested as they got off the plane or as the plane arrived in Miami. And again, we don't know what the charges were. I guess the FBI is going to do their own investigation on it. And we'll see where that goes. Yeah. So it's been an interesting couple of days. And I'm glad that we went. You went in depth really on this because I can tell you just posting about this and Instagram and looking at the comments on your article on news rep, there's a lot of conspiracy out there one which I saw was a several people saying that sound like these guys were going to rob the national Bank of Haiti. Yeah. An onset it's nonsense. And you know, you're not doing these guys any favors either by spreading conspiracy theories. You say that stuff enough times? I mean, I guess we shouldn't underestimate the power of social media or twenty nine teen. You say that stuff over and over again, some people take it to the truth. I even get a little nervous sometimes because people comment on photos of me that are floating around there say, oh, he's in the CIA CIA paramilitary this and that and it's like, no, dude, I have never been in the CIA. And when you go around saying stuff like that like if I get detained in a country five years from now, and you Google my name, and the first thing that pops up is Jack Murphy CIA, it's like that's not good for me. And so I mean, saying spraying those conspiracy theories about Osmond and McKinley in these guys like that's not good for them. And and it's not right to do that to them either. I know people gossip and Chris Osmin gossips to you know, he's guilty of it. But I don't know. I think we should try to endeavor. To do a little bit better than that. So then a lot of the other comments that I got were from people saying, you know, sarcastically. I wonder why Safra radio or news rep is covering this. Maybe it has a little something to do with Chris Osmond. And I mean, I tried to explain to these people we covered what was going on with Dell Comstock, which is somewhat similar situation. And we have a very friendly connection with Dell com- doctors hostility between us and Dell we covered it. We covered it objectively, and we covered the dapple contract covering this. Whether it was Chris Osmond or not like it just so happens that Chris Osmond has honestly talked Aww shit about our. Oh, and then in intern really bad mouth to all of us at the company. I mean, yeah. Put up stickers bashing the company and saying negative stuff about all of us. A lot of stuff that was proven not to be true. If you listen to this podcast, you know, anytime Brandon ever gets into that type of thing, I've never really gotten into it because I don't I don't know the guy. But I mean, I do think it's just. If you're gonna you know have an Instagram devoted to badmouthing, someone better, I've pretty squeaky clean reputation because now when you Google, Chris Osborne. So the first thing that comes up at least have your facts straight. If nothing else, I mean, personally, I've never addressed Osmond before and I've never addressed any of the gossip because to me it's about as interesting watching private do push-ups. This is like this is thirteen year old shit. Like, what is what is this? I never have either I've been in the room like people listen to podcasts Brandon has talked about it. But you really can't find clips of me ever addressed the only time Chris Osmond ever made contact with me as I remember on Twitter on fears lessened at some point when he could listen to it. But you know, and asked me, why don't have him on the cash than I had to be like, you know, dude, I respect your service. But it's not it's not my podcast. This this podcast. So platform is owned by brand and web. And if he's not interested in having you on. I'll put this out there right now. I if Chris and or McKinley indoor Croker wanna come on this podcast discuss what happened in Haiti I would be more than happy to extend the platform for that. And let them tell their side of the story. I'm not interested in smearing any of these guys interested in and telling the facts, and I report on special operations news report on. Private military contractors, quote, unquote, mercenaries all over the world. All the time. I've been doing this for years, and this story I would be definitely reporting on. A bunch of white guys. White Americans are could be black Americans. They're saying, yeah. What you're saying is true because they stand out in this country. I mean, a bunch of a bunch of white cats from the United States big touted up, dude. Stereotype of what a US contract looks. Yeah. I I would be reporting on this story, regardless. But I I don't have any personal animosity towards Osmond. I mean or McKinley. I wish I I wish Osmond would kind of like be more factual and some of his accusations. And I'd appreciate it. If he would not discuss my personal life, you know, publicly on social media like that. But if that's what he wants to do he can do that. I mean, so be it. I guess. Life goes on. But I'm not going to go out there and make up stories about the guy. And that's why I did as best. I could you know report this in an unbiased way and make this disclosure that he has some some beef with Brandon and with this company. Yeah. But this was just something that needed to be addressed. And I've never addressed the guy when he's gone on other podcasts with people were ASTA towards us for other reasons that I you know, I've chosen and you have to do not really get into. Now, there's been so many lies spread about the company about the CEO. And like a lot of the stuff that's been. That's been spread has been proven to be false. I mean, I was told like this company wasn't going to exist. But by twenty nineteen. My last month, we weren't going to. It's I don't know. I really don't. I it's like crazy ex girlfriend stuff. It's hard. It's hard for me to. Yes. I agree that stuff is insignificant. And that's why we don't get into it. This is very significant and a new story. And I don't think any of you could read this story and deny that this is the type of thing that we cover and it's conspiracy that we're covering this just because it involves a guy guy's been hostile towards Andrew. And again, if those guys wanna come on this podcast and talk about what really happened in Haiti and tell their side of it. I happy to do that. I'm just not going to get into the gossip. And fuck this guy come on, man. Like, I'm thirty five year old, man. I don't have time for that. It would probably make for an interesting show too to be honest. Because when we Adele Comstock on it was good to at least, go in-depth. Yeah. Yeah. Was and you know, people could draw their own conclusions. I think there's people listening to podcast who who feels that Dale really to they feel del really fucked up doing what he did there's probably other guys who took Dale side. And and you know, Dell's basically saying had this one. Guy not opened his mouth, you would've never even heard about. And again, I mean it gets into the grey areas of contracting from from DALE'S perspective, they were working for the Murati military seems seems legit. Right. But and he said he's like we're taking out terrorists were taking bad guys. We're doing the same thing. The United States government does. Yeah. You're not a soldier anymore. You're not in. You're not in the military. You're not you're not acting under title, ten of the US code. You're not working under the auspices of the a UMF authorization for the use of military force though, his past after nine eleven you are now a private citizen working private security, and you don't have those legal protections. So I definitely encourage all the other vets out there to consider some of these nuances and some of these grey areas in the legalities and just because the guy you're working for was occuren- l- in XYZ special operations unit. Doesn't mean that what he's telling you to do. Is legitimate and legal unlike them as far as I know, by the way, I mean, it's been probably three or four months since this. Dell com- stock came up probably three months and not nothing has happened. He has been arrested. I'm as far as I know Dale is, you know, normal life and hasn't had any consequences for the story that came out. Yeah. So far. I mean, we'll see what happens with that. I think they'll probably be some follow up stories to eventually. But man that was a hell of an interesting story. Yeah. But I was I mean, I could be wrong. You're you might think it'd be a little bit wait for them to do something this point they can. But I mean, it's I don't surprise. I I don't know. I really don't know. I mean investigations can can take a long time. But I have no idea. All right. Well with that we do have guests this episode. But we definitely had to address that Mike lampy. We're gonna get right into it. Back on the podcast air force chief Master Sergeant Mike lampy. You guys last heard Mike on episode three ninety one and we didn't get quite up to when Mike cross paths with previous guest of the podcast and the legend in the community, Mike Vining, which was later on in his military career as we were saying before recorded we really ended with some of your time. And wow, and let's get back into that. I know there's some unanswered questions, and we'll go there just to elaborate a little bit. Mike lampy was on the ground four and a lot of ways for the the birth of air force special tactics. And also got to see the birth of really modern American special operations. So I mean, we had a I had a great time interviewing you last time. And we got up to the point where you were in Laos. And you said that just before the we started recording. You said that you had had some inquiries about Laos and some other things wanted to elaborate on that before before we. Move on to some other topics in your career. That's correct. And yeah, couple inquires that got, you know, I think somewhere in the interview, you know, always start about being followed or flying. So one of the inquiry's was did I ever, you know, learn any flying skills or happened not to need to fly. And the answer is. Yes, now force wasn't my job. But the ravens, you know, basically were kind of accommodating in the sense that when we weren't staying up country based on, you know, the Dassler guidance, you know, you would jump on any plane going back down to bench in to spend the night. And then you'd go back through the same of that, you know, get backed up there. And you know, there was a necessary. Would I call passenger? Terminal or scheduled flights. You pretty much figured out which aircraft going prevention up to two twenty. Alternate was going there to you know, a Twin Otter ac- one twenty three porter. That's how you got the work. And then the same that, you know or same cycle with take place when your your head back. If you did spend the night or spend time up there, and so changed only we got jumper ride with the, you know, the ravens, you know, back cedar, they didn't have their backseat or we had a chance to fly back from long Chen intervention. And of course, during that flight, they basically myself, and Charlie and accept the other folks that. You know, transit back and forth. You know, they gave basic lessons on flying. No one. And of course, I was fortunate up, and and when I first got up there and doing the flight falling. You know, a couple of the ravens went to Jerry, Ryan and Charlie gay and say, hey, we like take Mike up on a flight to kinda see you know, what we're doing which would help him as flight volley skills because you know, and so I got to fly a couple mission again, please understand. It wasn't something authorized then. Yeah, it just happened. So I was fortunate enough to you know, plaque couple missions. So with raven facs, but it really helped me number one. And some of the things I was. Doing reference flight balling Nate with the triple C reference fighters and watch and the twenty eight out of log chip, and it definitely gave me a perspective of what the the raven fact was seeing what he was doing which helped me, you know, later on in my career, especially when I came back to Thailand at debt one fifty six hours, and we were running training for the Cambodians and Ford airtight. So if gave me that perspective from from raven fact, looking, you know, you know, from altitude, and then Jerry wine, they ac- commander also took me out a couple times. Again, got understand. This is authorized what's supposed to be doing. But he went out flu few, you know, strafing runs dropping bombs on. Targets. And so then you got I got a perspective of what it feels like to be in the back of the twenty eight and enrolling in scraping. The you know troops in contact were dropping offs. So. When I got into Thailand in teaching for their guide procedures. Really enhanced. My spill sets of what we were caging then to the Cambodians distance direction from whereas what and ticking out what apply see from the the air easily. And then basically talking the pilot down to another odd Jake or another rain feature eventually to where the chart was. So you are you're refining. The the what became the combat controller mission. I if I'm hearing this, correct? Well, you know, it basically enhanced my understanding of, you know, let's call J fact day but afford Eric guy right back dad for guy being somebody work and from the ground, but have the opportunity to work from the ground. But also the in the air again, not my mission. Now was what I was there. It's just. But. Since and and of course, getting the fly occasionally with the ravens, and basically, you know, they pretty much say, hey, you got it like, Charlie or, you know, whoever slide a backseat and let us kind of fly them a one back invention. Put it in the pattern. You know report down win then near craft over to them. So and then and then when we when I got into Thailand, the raven some of the ravens were there as instructors to train the Cambodians as well. As a lot of the key twenty eight pilots for train the Cambodian again. It really added to my my tool bag when you talk about being the guy in the ground supporting SF OT or seal tune or unilateral mission where you're putting in you know. Air strikes or talking fighters gunships, Mike forgive I forgive my memory, but the mission in in Thailand was that called the fed mission. Yeah. I would call it fit mesh. No, no. I'm just trying to think the mission to train the Cambodian was F E T. I may be wrong though. Yeah. Well, the the term I knew it from his like ankle is scoot program. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Support Cambodia out of tiling. Now, I'm sure there was other names to that. But, you know, get one fifty six, you know, I think you know, I've got over Thailand seventy three seventy four debt. One fifty six out became USA, US MAC, die detachment Udorn. And that's when they brought plenty Admiral to, you know, Kerr lateral. But I think if I recall correctly promoted, the one-star back and put him charge just MAG with the sole purpose of train the Cambodian forces. You know in the air side, and I. Discussed that a little bit. And that we in Thailand, you know, comback Kroll is responsible for training the Ford air guides. You know, Cambodian air guys at the four year school that we had that have been put together in the late sixties early six late sixties and seventies. And as well, as you know, we we're involved in training airdrop truce for the one twenty three's and you have the twenty eight and they'll once and the maintenance or the maintainers so is a robust field training detachment per se to train the Cambodian air force and has tremendous expertise and professional from all all ammo S's AFSC that, you know, worked at that detach. And and I I guess the Craig off in that unless you have any other questions. On that. No, actually, Mike. What is hoping to discuss a little bit was the how you got brought into brand X and just to set the stage a little bit for the listeners in nineteen seventy nine the US embassy in Iran was captured by you know, quote, unquote, Iranian students who overran the premises and took everyone hostage. And now this became a big dobacco for our government as far as how we were going to rescue our people and get them out of there. And you know, we've talked about this incident at length I think before with people like Mike Vining who are involved in the rescue effort. But you you were part of a you're part of that endeavor. But definitely came at it from a different perspective than I think any of the previous interviews we've done. Ransacked was kind of name that one of the guys that come back controllers came up with Hank was Peter de Holt same up with that. Because. Brand X started out. I guess if I recall is called project recognition out of mass headquarters and basically gentlemen's Major John Arne or captain cart. John Carney's the time was working as to twenty first air force. And he was given the task to bring select comback trollers together from different teams stateside to basically support. I and I wanna say in you know, was Paul blue light which was a precursor to delta. Yes. And and you know, a lot of interaction with the the ranger battalion which at that Time, inC was second ranger battalion. Hank who ten occur Wayne Downing was commander at that time? And during this this. Process. I was still in the Philippines 'cause I was transferred. You know, win everything, you know, went went to Helena Handbasket in Laos Cambodia and Vietnam Vietnam grants. Yeah. Transfer to the Philippines. They shut down our two cats or our team probably within thirty days. I mean, so everything happened April may timeframe and signed into the whole theme. So the end of may nineteen seventy five during that tour duty when I was there this project recognition, but we'll call brand X coach Carney wanted his people to be do qualified halo in scruple. And I just happened to be in charge of the scruple, Okker and Philippines now. I basically came over state size to be an ad joke. Scuba instructor Carney in many of the other brand X personnel and some which eventually showed up in debt one Mekos after desert one where the students, and that's the first time I had met on Carney or coach Carter who was head. And so when we graduation yet together from scruple school, he mentioned if I had an interest of, you know, maybe being coming part of this group, which he said, I really can't tell you much about. And I kind of told myself, you know, you know, sir. Yeah. It interests me. But I I've got orders to the seventh. Esa less in my mind, Germany, you know, consecutive overseas tour leaving. So maybe when I'm done with that tour, I be happy. To you know, entertain that. Well, won't be old. You know, coach party was able to change my orders. And so that going Firminy they all I was reassigned to Charleston air force Bates, and understanding what brand X was was a pickup team. So every time when out one of these eight breeze with whoever, you know, the the blue light force or the Rangers or a combination of both. He would select the individuals from each of the different teams be the mcchord team Norton team Charleston team Little Rock team, which way comback troll passport. And is that time and they would have to bring their equipment. And then they meet at a certain location be brag or wherever and they basically play. Dan and interface with their army counterparts. Go execute the mission. And then they would go bring their take their quickness and go back home to their base and so- coach Carney was able eventually to convince the powers to be headquarters. Mac in other air force fans that he needed to have all the brand X personnel that he wanted. He wanted to select at one base. And so I ended up being one of those individuals along with John corn Mitch Brian dick west and others. And the interesting thing is is we all served in southeast Asia to get you know, we were in Thailand together Philippines, together and some of us that worked in and out to get. So, you know, we've, you know, we knew each others moves on the on the chessboard for lack of term. And so when I got reassigned for the Philippines course, et make my wife happy because my wife's family. I'm really were was in France. And so when I told her we're not going to Germany. That went over like turn to Punchbowl. But I showed up I think the last week of October of seventy seventy nine, and I if I'm, you know, my memory serves me correctly were just finishing up the validation the final Blau Dacian exercise. I think Warren Burr, maxim or North Carolina with delta certification as the US's counter-terror has as I recall from Colonel Beckwith book, he talks about how they finish the certification. And you know, he went to sleep just exhausted from the whole processes because the squadron they had trained to conduct a number of hostage simulated hostage rescue missions. And he goes to sleep exhausted. They wake up in the morning. Because the incident in Iran had just happened like the day after the unit was validated. Yeah. I think I wanna say the unit that final allegation was like the third of November second or something like that. I mean all was together. And yeah, you're right than a hostage or take a four November. And then, you know, off to the races reference trying to figure out, you know, how how you go about rescuing, you know, fifty three Americans halfway round the world and the middle of the capital of Iran. Yeah. Could you could you talk about that from from your perspective? And you know, what you saw what you observed as far as the planning and training process for all that began. I can speak to my portion, of course, time on I think I was a e six promote ably seven at the time. So I you know, I was down what I call the boot level. But and it's a good place to be. Yeah. And you know, my involvement, you know, of course, there was only ended up being six of seven of us that really engaged in the planning and rehearsal for for Iran and went into Iran on the first aircraft and the bulk of my time as well as my other fellow combat controllers, we're working with the ranger company Charlie company, which was commanded by Dave grains, at that time. And I think sure we'll was the battalion commander. And of course, we did a lot of work with them primarily what I call the second night rehearsal reference the field that was going to be secured to receive the one forty. One's to Transload, the the the delta personnel and the hostages onto their after they were pulled out of the embassy and the other location, and so our involvement my involvement, primarily revolved around that, you know, we get some work on a couple desert type strips out was that out one of the lake that's by Edwards Air Force base. Also, we were involved in initially one of the scenarios was dropping blitz in to review. So we ended up going through those scenarios, you know, recovering the limits and trying to set up revealing points and working with the cease talion crews the. Navy crews as well as there was a couple other scenarios that we ended up jumping in with the out there in. Slips my mind, but it was out there in the desert. Huma early grounds with belt, and we were rehearsing a when I call and cross country movement. Delta with mules motorcycles allow those type things that again that was just a knows fair. Now, you know film wind all each delta. Was, you know, you know, focus pretty much strictly on taking down the two targets, and then to my knowledge to basically had that down, you know, to a science and well prepared I think execute that mission. If the we could get him into the capital city, which I don't think the Iranian set anticipated any of us ever are Americans trying excuse me try to do that. And also we worked with the engineers the wiz kits out from the agency. They had a place, you know, up in DC that actually Bill the remote control lights. You know? They were regular what I call being bagged whites that we used in the early sixty seventies Kamarck L Z's, but they turned him in to remote control lights with up antennas. And then they had a thing that fit in the one thirty up in the Coptic you plug in that could activate the lights about I think was about ten miles out. So we ran a lot of different tests. Basically run a Clinton esque fine airfield if I understand right? That's Brett those those lights that were developed and we test it. I think around down at army hunter army airfield, eventually were the ones that John Carney took in to the desert to desert one, I think it was about thirty plus days prior to actually swans you and the agency flew in on a Twin Otter with the many by and he went into soil samples, and in planet, the remote control lights in what I you know, again, my direction may be off I called like southern Elsie and initially when we were Verson, you know, we we were kind of focused on one Elsie in the desert. You know, one that the coach at survey, you know, and done soil samples on and as things evolved. And I think it was again, I may be getting ahead of myself on this. But I think, you know, for me, and I think most of the other six combat controllers wasn't until we get moved from Charleston through mind, and I think in the Wadi teeny, which was our initial stuff drop point. Egypt and then Oman if I remember. Yeah. With always Egypt where we kinda found out that what we're gonna have you gonna do to dual runways in the desert and allow. Yeah. And and to to my knowledge, at least, I was never on any rehearsal. That we, you know, prior to that that we had done dual runways on or in the desert and done, the the repealing, but as where we basically found out and myself and John corn and dick west, and but kansallis, you know, put our heads together, you know, because free of us pretty much had the responsibility. Once we landed into desert one into the rich inal LC's, the remote control lights, and we have responsibility kind of going across this so-called road rant through the the lake that and establishing the second l z second box and one and that became quite challenging as mission unfolded based on the time line that was giving us the regional time. I'm line was we had an hour from landing, you know. To, you know, get everything set up, and they had included the the tax and the portable tack, and you know, stab wishy inverted y for the received the helicopters. And again, you know, we're we're kind of focused on one Elsie now. Now, we're basically transitioning to run parallel desert runways, I didn't hand know that. Yeah. Yeah. That you know, that, you know, you know, again, I speak for myself. I was never involved in aim rehearsal where we were running. Dual run ways at night in the desert's not that we didn't do some on single type things not that we didn't do practice repealing back. The one thirty, you know, all those things, but you know, people ask did you ever do a full dress rehearsal on and my answer is no now delta had no doubt ran numerous full dress rehearsals on their takedown and and their movement from their height sites. If you know where I think it was dick meadows went in and up, and they were going to be transported by trucks into into the capital, etc. So I have no doubt that delta, you know, from aid Z, you know, had that thing wired down going net as you know, face on that but from the air side. We never rehearsed agency from my perspective. That's what Mike Vining said. When I asked him. I asked him the question as like, do you think the mission could have been successful? And his answer was if we had gotten to the embassy. There's no question that we could have succeeded in our mission. And I I agree with that hundred ten percent. And you know, I think people have said, you know, people actually more knowledgeable in the complete planning processes the long phone. The Tanner the weak link was always the helicopters and force as you're probably aware of you know, we went through a Hank two maybe three top jumpers. Eventually that was the crews that, you know, flew, the, you know, the nine helicopters launched to the nine helicopters to go into desert. Want and. And so two digress. A little bit. You know? So we you know, we did our planning team. We kind of practiced on the motorcycle that delta had provided us I think it was Yama on to fifty to, you know, help speed up things, and then we moved into on Sora. And eventually, you know, we ended up watching out there as you. Well know, and when we went feet dry. I think shortly after that is when the lead MC ran into the hoop. And of course, coach Carney had flown in you know, with the agency guys and they too have encountered a boots online line always. But the guy flying fear crafts includes a Jim Ryan, you know, said no from, you know, climb up get up hanging around fifteen hundred feet, you know, they L and you're both that dust clout. And so when when the one thirty, you know kit that of course, you know, it's like somebody rubbing sandpaper on the side of the the. The aircraft. And I think also at that time the HSEN Tanna had broken loose. So the load masters had opened the ramp and figure out a way to rake and bring that antenna 'cause it was beating on the side of the one-third. So as we so coach Carney was up in the cop with the active when the console to activate of Bowman. He just kind of branchy was the pilot said, hey, you know, just climb up, you know, but you know, that fifteen hundred feet or a little bit up in a if I recall correctly, the aircrew one thirty aircrew had been briefed that radar coverage. You know, didn't really start until two thousand feet so anywhere between you know, ground level and up to I guess two thousand feet that you wouldn't be painted on radio. So that's what we did. And then. My understanding is the radio operator on that. Or crap radio back secure palms back to the one thirties. Now, if I'm correct the helicopter pilots, you know, that launched off the carrier didn't get the same type brief. So when you kind of read the different narrative, so the stories they pretty much stayed in the boot they were flying. It's five hundred feet or thousand feet, which impacted obviously along the way where ended up losing three of the helicopters of the original nine that launched up the Kerio. And just to eight the picture for the listener real quick, Mike you guys the operators who were going to execute. The assault flew win on a C one thirty from Oman to desert one inside Iran, but the helicopters that were to ferry them along the next leg were being phone in from off coast off a carrier, if I remember correctly, and and then on the way, the helicopters went through a very vicious sandstorm. So when they arrived at desert one where the operators are standing by those heloc a few of them as my said, I think a couple of them had to turn around and the others were in pretty beat up condition. And then as far as the plan was concerned now, you have the operators and the helicopters co located they would have translated onto the helicopters flown to desert to a second staging site loaded up on trucks and the next day would have executed the actual. Embassy down if memory serves Mike, I just wanted to throw that out there. So people listening. Tracking along with what you're saying. Yeah. And that's correct. Thank the other point is zoned helicopters used at being pre staged on that carrier. You know, as we were running Ursel. So that the helicopters that they were using during all the rehearsals up to the point when we got the execute order state Numa. And so I don't know. I don't know what how the navy maintain those. I can't speak to that. But I do understand that, you know, all those helicopters that they had a very short amount of time to kind of worked out of the bugs, and, you know, take him for a few tests flights, but it wasn't the birds that they had you know, had tweaked and had flown during all the rehearsals. These are the pre stage telecopiers that were sitting below debt suit, Mike. Can you walk us through than from your point of view? What happened when you got the desert one? Sure. Now as we approached as one after we came out of the food the sandstorm. You know, the lights wrapped debated and and so as we're coming in on her protest the aircraft's coming pro. There was a vehicle or vehicles that were spotted driving down through the l z and so ended up executing a goal ramp which burn up about ten minutes of valuable time. From from my perspective of, you know, trying to get the L C established, you know, both L Z's in order to receive the remainder of the see-won thirties, which also were functioning as refuelers for the hell cap, you know, with its onboard. And so eventually, you know, the goal round didn't have any other incident we landed that was a very firm landing to say, the least and. And so as the opening up the ramp, then we're basically off loading were grieved by a bus, you know, this flashing the lights, and, you know, I don't know if he's talking horns, but you know, obviously that some of the operators or the the Rangers that were offloading shot out a couple of tires and sees the bus, and if my memory serves correctly now, we have I think forty six or forty eight Iranians on a bus in the middle of the l z. So that was the first challenge, you know, I challenge you, obviously, if we secured, a buzz with Iranians, and now we got for who's going to guard the Iranians and get the bus with the couple of tires flap off to the main Elsie or that the southern L Z work through that. Now, the other thing have see the ho- boo the sandstorm and went through the land site. So instead of just being when I consider hard lake that sand. Yeah. Actually now had a what I call few inches of suspended store almost like Telcom pout. And so you've got the one thirty with engines running that's kinda create its own, you know, dust storm for lack of term. In there, you know, 'cause they're not shut anything down. And so we move on over to the the Elsie where establish and visibility was pretty much nailed none because of some of the suspended dust or saying, so we had to go to some old techniques or, you know, decide where we're going to put the first corner life of the box in one and basically the compass heading and walk off. And then once you could see the guy any further work have good beat on 'em. He holds in place. And then you'd move up in that, you know, give them the Cup of setting. And so that took a while, you know, even though it was just four lights. You know, we're trying to get everything for SEIs, you know, for the aircraft aircraft. And so we've got that established and the first one thirty had moved up to sparking Arkansas at the other end. I call. Other Nailsea to get physician. In weight. And then we ended up pretty much on time receiving the second aircraft. But during this timeframe one of the ranger blocking teams had deployed down will call the road up to put the blocking to ensure no traffic or would interfere with the operations and about that time. They had a fuel truck. You know that pretty much ran ran their physician didn't stop and went through. And then I I don't recall they I think the used the law, and they shot up shot it with a law, which basically now you feel for without them. Dallas fueled had exploding out there, you know, semi on the approach path of the aircraft coming into northern L C. So. You know? So now, we got a bus with the forty some Iranians we got a fuel truck on fire, and you know. And we continue to receive one thirties and position them and the ones that have limits on it. You know, basically those hoses, you know, got pulled out and and and position, and we put the verge y in so we could taxi the taxi the fifty three so to connect him to the Levick, repealing processed. And again, I sorry about saying, and again, but, you know, vastly we got all the C one thirties on the ground and properly position and everything set up for refueling, the helicopters and each of these one thirties were also bringing in camouflage nets and other things that the the delta guys were offloading to staging point. To be uploaded on the helicopter. So everything there, you know, pretty much went has Scott. And then we wait, and we wait and wages, and eventually the first helicopter showed up and landed in the why and the real challenge is, you know, with fifty threes. They taxi kinda like an aircraft. And so if you can kinda match and now they're pushing some of the suspended dust, so we're kind of hopping them if that makes sense apply. What's kind of popping up to there refueling point as well as as your where, you know, fifty three, you know, especially when they they try to lift off or move. You know, they got about ninety not down wash you have one thirties engine running. And now the helicopters coming in with their down wash. And so what little you know, suspended dust or sand on Bloomberg is all up in the air. So it was kind of. Challenge seeing time for visibility and being able to, you know, see even with N B E N B G's, in some cases, you know, the ones we had really were pretty much ineffective from our perspective. We only just dust goggles. And I think it was the six telecopiers last helicopter that finally arrived. And when it landed. Pretty much to mind all waas Tyke relics that word saying with a high draw. Click and there was a lot of scurrying going on, you know, back and forth of the C P. About this helicopter. And and of course, you know, if you're reading. Colonel with book in the guts, dry, the minimum helicopters. They could basically go to the next site. The high site was six so that's all we had on the ground and six one was non off and in this process. And that's when the season was is to, you know, tack up, you know, everything back on the sea one thirties and watch. And I, you know, I was soom come back another day, and in that process, one of the helicopters on the that I called the northern LC receive, you know, ATC guidance to pick up, and, you know, thank execute. I wanna say executed a turn to go around. And we connect to another one thirty three few because one he was connected to that one. One that Lewis was flying could ten no more app gas pump. And so this guy needed more more fuel to make the trip back to the Carey. And you know, when he lifted up, and again, you know, it was a cloud of dust from my perspective. I could barely see what was going on my position. You know, eventually Kenyan coming down and crashing, you know, into that see one third and pretty much, you know, we had another huge fireball that aircraft. Also had been already loaded with the delta soldiers on board. And I think they had some fifty soldiers on there, if I recall correctly, and you know, it's just to the professionalism and the training the the road masters in the back, but also the sergeant major that took charge in the back because there's only one door anything could exit because of the fire, and they were able to get all those soldiers off that Bruening aircraft. And I think one of them went back and pulled the radio operator was severely burned. The helicopter come down on the front part is Kasich or the firewall, you know, where Ray you up raider set. And and now. Now, we're dealing with minus one thirty minus another second helicopter, and now we're trying to figure out, and of course, there's a lot of people in cages in this trying to figure out how you upload all the soldiers who are brought in by all the C one thirties and now the helicopter crews 'cause Susan was made that to reposition the helicopters or just leave the helicopters in place and just get the personal out. So it was. It was an interesting time trying to figure out, you know, I call decor procedures trying to count for people won't you got everybody. In the midst of still got the fuel truck burning is still got the fuss with the Iranians. And now you've got to see stallions and one thirty Bernie, and you're down a one three actually to one thirties because one of the one thirty came in and dropped off supplies and delta soldiers. We watched that out early 'cause it was going to be one of the lead aircraft or one of the main aircraft involved in night to going into that air field where the one forty one in the fifty three's with linkup. And so we're down to C one thirties, and we're down all the ELA captors. And of course, obviously lost a, you know, find, you know, Americans pay in the sacrifice that night. But you know, trying to figure out how do we get these people 'cause plan was never to leave as one fully load? Role right. Yeah. So so now, you know, pretty much I ain't got each aircraft. You know, pretty much take everything off the aircraft that wasn't tight down. In fact, you know, we hit uploaded the gun cheap. At the Rangers shoes, the motorcycle that that we used off and on you know, other things and that pretty much was coming up to reduce the weight. To take on the personnel. And and there are Clinton so anything that for lack of term wasn't mission. Essential was throwing in the desert offloaded by the soldiers, you know, by the aircrew by take. And eventually we're able to start the movement and do everything we could to account for the personnel on the ground through pretty much, not entertained communications, but going from aircraft aircraft trying to look for the troops aren't major or the the troop commander trying to make sure that we didn't leave anybody high. Also, we launched down to pick up the agency lights as I call them real control lights because they definitely get want those left in the we got those and we replaced them with the Chem lights, you know. And then if you of read in a book, the guts to try, and maybe another books that some of the aircraft released one of the aircraft's mistake and those lights that were put out there. They wind up on them or took a site. And where which I think it was the aircraft. I came out on long with many delta soldiers and. Couple of my fellow convex trollers tick west and Rex lawmen, and we pretty much, you know, as take off and you can matching we're moving off damn slow. And that one thirty was Franken is the engines far as you could. And then we kinda hit a burn burn. So we were up and then we came back down. Him and continued, you know, moving down the thing. But what happened is that pilot if you can kind of vision parallel runways, they got cited on a different set of life in. Box a light. So it kind of took off at angle, and that's why you know jumped off. Oh, and you know, obviously, I have no Jeter by aircraft saying prayers 'cause I shouldn't hell was. Dan, you know, as we're getting ready to take off. Then we get this word. Hey, don't move. You know, I I don't know if it was grenades or if it was blasting caps or something explosive. Had been couldn't account for. So they thought it was somewhere on there. The other thing is this is one of the aircraft that was a reviewer. So we're sitting on. I think it was a five thousand downs. That was partially, you know, pretty much done, but you can imagine the funerals in. So you're watching watching in there, and you know, you you're basically just trying to, you know, get it clean breath of air inside that aircraft. So we're we're Mosey down. And again, my hat's off all the one thirty crews held and airmanship do performance at night in the desert and finally, you could you could basically just feel the pilot and co file no doubt on back on the yoke and the one thirty just kind of grown. You know, you could almost you know, is gonna get out is gonna get up and finally lifted up, but boy are climb out was low as molasses Jan? Eventually, you know, it got the, you know, some altitude, and then they they pop the emergency hatches up above to try to get some air circulating in there. Because of the fumes from that. And we got back to Missouri. Eventually. Couldn't say, happier camper. And I think that goes for everybody. And then really the town in thrall personnel. Very taking place count pets out. You know, if anything was anybody was left behind other than the ones, we couldn't recover from the accident. And one forty one came in. And we stop the delta guys, and they launched back the brag. And then for me and the other comback goals and other personnel. I think it was another day or another day. I think you know. I mean, just you know, it's just all kinds of one's gather. Now before you know, we into an aircraft to go home. So so that that's kind of a short version of my experience. It sounds sounds hair raising Mike I was wondering I know we have to let you go in a few minutes. But we're you then involved in the the second endeavor. I mean, I think it was called snowbird to potentially go back and take another shot at this operation. Yeah. The codename. I was was Honey badger Honey badger, right? Honey bathroom. Yeah. And, you know, shortly after we got back to, you know, you know, Charleston. Coach Carney got a call and he jumped airplane, and they went up to. One of the agencies locations along with the the delta guys meet president Carter. But soon as he came back from that event, we want, you know, we started the planning for the second second attempt, and we pretty much went out the white sands New Mexico. It's pretty much where you know, I spent most by time there with surrenders Charlie company again, and obviously were doing all kinds of different rehearsals. And you know, you know, primarily revolve around, you know, their seizure position processes, you know, dropping jeeps drops and bikes, you know, all that. So yes. And then eventually, as you know, history says they released the hostages, and of course, all this. Time that were doing that the train up for the second Tampa. Of course, there what can, you know, waning C one thirty, you know, with rockets into the I think the soccer field or some area. There was one of the options and many options. I'm not aware of that was one of them. And I guess, you know. What I can close out on the one, you know, we continue on Grenada and Panama on another time. Is sports. And I say this, you know, that I think we have the right leadership. Up at this point staff, but you know, in congress, and you go back and his hallway commission was formed to look at what's the place, and why we failed to rescue the hostile and I would tell but that that was a up. I can't think of a more difficult mission cheaper hand, any military outfit. And I think the thing you have to take an account. We've we again, you know, we can't sprained we work. A what do you call it plying to joint force at that time? You know, everybody came together was doing that part. But today if you look at how they're integrated how they frame together, and how the exit to, you know, replying tune they know each other inside. Now, they know the units strengths and weaknesses. But the fact my point in the hallway mission, obviously alway condition brought about the formation J saw which was a a great move. And so yeah, thank you. Gotta think guys like Senator Cohen Senator Nunn. Goldwater congressman Daniels cheddar that have the foresight the vision that we really need to build a joint command and put these forces under one command and have them work and train sleep with whatever you wanna call it together to find tune. And that joint ability because nobody's going to go to war by themselves. It's always it's doing war. And then that's kind of the thing that I think America does better than anyone else. Militarily is working in a joint environment. Yeah. Yeah. We you know, I can't speak for now. But what I saw for retirement. You know, we were basically mastering the yard of joints. And you know, early on in my career. You know, you hear joint nece was was a, hey, you know, winning why call just to say, yeah, we're doing. Yeah. Now today and even back, then we really grew into a joint force in an empty to the forces the services around the different countries. And you know, again, I credit, you know, our leaders in vers-, but as with the military to have that foresight because in my humble opinion. If we had done that if the four set just been disbanded like to Sante raiders were then you basically would go back, and you know, relive history again somewhere down the road. Mike. This has been incredible. I think's thank you so much for giving us your perspective on this. You know, again, we're going to have to go for around three. I think because. As maybe people listening don't know. But Mike also jumped into Grenada, and Panama and was involved in other counterterrorism operations throughout the nineteen eighties. And then when became a visor senior adviser for so calm. So I mean, there's still much to talk about and we'll have to figure out your schedule. Mike, and and we'll find a good time for you. But we do appreciate you coming on and spend another good hour with us to talk about desert one. Well, it was my honor. And my pleasure. And as you and I look forward to the next interview. Thank you, Mike. Thanks. We'll we'll stay in touch and we'll coordinate for that. Okay. Thanks, guys. I think Mike lampy is high in the running for the most interesting guest, we've interviewed people people are definitely an enjoy this one most interesting man in the world, he got to got to do kind of everything from post Vietnam up until the early nineteen nineties really late nineties, and I always keep in mind. There's new people listening every single episode and people just don't listen every upset. So if you enjoy that go back up so three ninety one. Yeah. We talk about his early career. Joining the air force and some of his first assignments working in Laos, and then we got into of course, Aranh and operation eagle claw during this one. And next time. We'll talk about Grenada in Panama, and he was also involved in some of the aircraft hijacking operations to go in, you know, free hostages elsewhere. So we'll talk about all that stuff. Sounds good man. Maybe it'll be a good interview for more baby April. But definitely in the Neiafu won't get him back on with that be sure to check out crate club. We have different tiers of membership depending on how prepared you wanna be and gift options are available as well. Scott Witter from the load out room. 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NPR News: 05-18-2020 4AM ET

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04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 05-18-2020 4AM ET

"Live from NPR news. I'm Nora Raum. Many states are moving to lift restrictions on restaurants and other businesses this week as NPR's Joel rose reports. Parts of the country are reopening even as the confirmed death toll from the Corona virus climbs nearly ninety thousand bars and gyms can reopen today across much of Florida in Tennessee. Tours will resume this week at Graceland. The home of Elvis Presley but public health experts warned that the country cannot reopen fully without more testing and more contact tracing for people who test positive. Npr's Joel Rose near Governor Andrew. Cuomo is deflecting blame for the high numbers of covert related deaths at nursing homes. Now more than five thousand from member station S. H. U. Desert. Don't drill jewelry. Has More Cuomo has been criticized by some families of nursing home residents for his handling of Kovic positive patients there but he says the state has done all it can older people vulnerable. People are going to die from this virus. That is going to happen despite whatever you do. New York attorney. General opened an investigation last month into whether homes are complying with regulations for personal protective equipment and separating infected residents now. Republican members of Congress from New York are calling for a federal investigation of Cuomo's nursing home policies that includes his march twenty fifth order that required homes to readmit residents from hospitals. Even if they were cova positive for NPR News Desert Diario in New York. Federal Reserve Chair. Jerome Powell says he's optimistic. The economy can begin to recover in the second half of this year as long as there isn't a second wave of corona virus infections in an interview with CBS's sixty minutes last night Powell also suggested that they're most likely won't be full recovery until there is a vaccine unprecedented war crimes. Trial Resumes Today in the German city of Koblenz. The Syrian defendants are charged with torturing prisoners under the rule of Syrian president. Bush are and NPR's Deborah Amos reports in this landmark criminal. Trial the main defendant. A former Syrian intelligence officer stands accused of torture murder and assault. He's expected to give his first statement to the court on Monday last month when the trial opened the indictment included the testimony of dozens of Syrian torture survivors says Patrick croker attorney for the plaintiffs and it was read out one horrible crime after the other and the accused. Were thing right there. It made us all aware. Again of walked is actually at stake. Here at stake says croker is an examination of state sponsored torture in Syria which the regime has long denied Deborah Amos. Npr News you're listening to NPR news. The world's largest lock down to the pandemic is being extended for another two weeks in India. The government is ordering all schools hotels. Airports and restaurants closed through. May thirty first cars and buses will be allowed back on the roads. India's had about three thousand deaths from Cova nineteen in a population of nearly one point four billion. Some children will go back to school today in Belgium. One of the nation's worst hit by the cove in nineteen crisis from Brussels Teri Schultz reports on phase. Two of the country's de confinement pupils in their last years of elementary and high school are going back in most parts of Belgium while other classes may be accommodated if schools have space to observe physical distancing rules. Parents can choose not to send their children if they don't feel comfortable mother of fifth and a seventh grader. Alexandra lemonade says it would be a hard decision. If her children's classes were resuming keeps. It's good to see friends again and to get back to the routine and some relief at home because they're super board. Is it safer to go to school? I Dunno education authorities. Say They can't yet make a decision on expanding the return to other grades for NPR news. I'm Teri Schultz in Brussels for the past two weeks. The snowbirds Canada's jets have been flying across Canada to boost morale during the pandemic yesterday of them crash in British Columbia neighborhood. Officials say that one crew member was killed and the second. The pilot was injured after he had landed on the roof of a house. There are no reports of injuries on the ground. I'm Nora Raum NPR news.

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Irwin Redlener, M.D. -  Pandemic Resource and Response Initiative at Columbia Univ.

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59:14 min | 4 months ago

Irwin Redlener, M.D. - Pandemic Resource and Response Initiative at Columbia Univ.

"What's the truth about the covid. Nineteen pandemic we'll talk about it on this episode of the mind dog. Tv podcasts talk Get another episode of the mind. Dog tv podcast. I'm at napoli. thanks for coming. It's great to have you here as always we're gonna be talking about pandemic tonight Hopefully my guest arrives. guessing. There might be some technical issue. I don't think he's ever done anything like this before. I just talked to him about an hour ago. And billy was not familiar with the whole world of podcasting live streaming and all that stuff He is a frequent guest in real old school television. Nbc and miss nbc. And so forth. But i i'm assuming there might be a little difficulty in connecting tonight but the subject tonight Was going to be the pin them again. I know a lot of people are tired of talking about that tired of hearing about it. But i think it's important to get to the real truth about what's going on. Was it and what we can expect them. 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And founding director of the national center for disaster preparedness at columbia university's earth institute with which works to understanding improve the nation's capacity to prepare for and respond to n. Recover from disasters in twenty twenty doctor. Redlener created the pandemic resource in response initiative at columbia. In addition. He is an on air public. Health analyst for nbc and msnbc. He's a partner with the singer. Share and i don't think i need to say the singer or you really need to say share. Yes they share in a new program called share cares organized to provide assistance to communities struggling with covid nineteen among other things. Ladies and gentlemen please open your ears and open your minds up. We welcome irving it leonard to the michael. Tv pockets. Headliner will thank you for coming. I'm sorry for the technical Miss before you know the big question everybody's got on their mind and I it's i know it's it probably sounds really childish. You but is this pandemic ever going to end. That does not sound childish number one number two. No one's quite sure we presume that if we continue to follow the public health guidelines and we Get the vaccine to most people's arms that we will be ready under control now. What we don't know though is will stay under control or it was become an annual situation or will vaccine with just evolved for. They'd be next end the regular seasonal flu vaccines that we have to get you know once a year so this is all this possible does not access to a lot of this yet Now we're understanding. Active virus has mutated. will that necessarily On the gates. Some of the work that's been done. Vaccines Is it hasn't been proven to be effective against mutated viruses short. That's a good question to so virus always mutating and so that we're dealing with is actually. It's been already been hundreds of mutations. All of them are really quite minor. The one that was discovered in the uk may already be here by the way but it was discovered at least publicized out of england and certain parts of england. Actually the worst part of england southwest reports that particular strain Is thought to be a. You know. No problem for the new vaccines. Now after a long time europe It might be that. They'll mutate enough so that the vaccine that we vaccines plural were just evolving. They may not work eventually but right. Now there's no reason to think that at all and more recent happy mishra. They get their jobs when they can. While you can understand that the anxiety level oh really chart and what we're seeing unfortunately and it. It drives me crazy. Is that apparently all your money. You spend on your education and the timing wasn't necessarily be an expert in this disease just by having a social media account. Because everybody i talk to is an expert and at must be really frustrating for people like you but the question is how people know we have you on as an expert in and you. You can talk to it but with had contract contradicting Took words from different experts contradicting puts. So how do people discern and figure out who who's telling the minister. Good information you. There's a third grade crush it question out. So here's the thing about that first of all. I'm not at all uncomfortable. With what i know or don't like people. I like patients in people being informed. It's much much better. The challenge now of course is that is so much john. Garages hussein french. That comes across the internet. It really is difficult to determine. It's like this whole controversy about whether we want her community. You know this insanity that was being put forward by the administration actually. That's somehow you just let people get sick. because then we'll build up immunity in the population. Once we get enough people got sick We'll have will be protecting ourselves. Which of course we could have done that and probably cost another three hundred thousand lives so that was really sort of off. The wall idea promoted by scott atlas that the president had brought onto beings adviser months Those are crazy and you couldn't tell from the internet because if you google herd immunity you get both seemingly both sides of that story right and that's really what you're talking about is website that says this is mother quote unquote expert saints something else. It is extremely frustrating for people. So the antidote to this and it's really difficult to tell bs from the real deal and this means whether it's coming from a proclaimed expert a politician or the internet. I think the thing to do way out of this. Dilemma is to is for people to look at reputable sites. The american medical association The cdc The infectious disease experts in a major medical center or medical school there. You're not gonna get inconsistencies. There may be some there'll be discussions because his a lot of things still don't know about virus Are legitimate controversies. That have not yet an answer by sites for example. If you've had the disease can you get it again. While probably not in the short run you know three four months five months. Can you get it again in unknown. We just don't training that need to be doing is at least looking like they're humble because we so much. Do not know only answer so much. Many more questions than answers. I do think most of the doctors. I've spoken to her and honestly you're only the third Md that. I've actually had on about this talk to about this but most of them are generally humble. I think it's the people who couldn't Will barely pass high school. Biology that the experts in. I have no humility at all about this stuff and a really you know. Tell feeding bad information. But i think and i'm wondering if your experience as a pediatrician gives you any insight to be behavior the cognitive dissonance that We see any People just get acting like children not without any patients without any behavior Behavioral control self control over this stuff. Eight does your experience as a pediatrician. Give you any insight into what we're seeing in the behavior in reaction to this well an externally real time. Actually and i'm an you know it's unique because we have this pandemic hem last thing that even remotely like this was in nineteen eighteen with the spanish lewis course. Hardly any of us live away early on so this is a big deal experience and it's required a lot of discipline because the things that we need to do wear a mask and stay physically separate or socially separated To be very careful about hand hygiene to not be closed indoors spaces. That are poorly ventilated. And and a lot of shutdown internal businesses schools. And so on. so it's been a major disruption of our lives are normal lives as we might describing her walk down. The street in new york. City and restaurants are crows that weaves to my family. I used to frequent or the movie theater on on broadway. A third straight at whatever is close and maybe close permanently so we're really from the demands put on us and changes in our lives and this. It's understandable but wanna point that last word for trade. It says exhausting but people have been through far worse than we're and put up with his people as we speak before just before the pandemic it there were the middle of warzone northern syria Sixty five million refugees with absolute singer within the risk on thirty two bitten major wars world war tubes left a destroy europe and people are just making this point. This is all relative. Yes probably the worst thing in most of our lives but in the greater human experience today and throughout the millennia This is there things that are happened happened that make it difficult to live or get to living the way we thought of as normal right while of course everything you just said about that situation a true there could be a lot worse than even and i say this pandemic itself could be a lot worse if it were a higher deadly if it was a more deadly disease with the high fatality rate now But that also kind of makes my point about what will so impatient light a month. Lack down was not law was too long for most people so we went out and started acting irresponsibly and then continued on. I think it would have been more controllable if people would have been more patient but we run out of patience pretty quickly and that's what we're saying so we're seeing people now who are for whatever reason trying to act like this light at the end of the tunnel and we're almost out of this thing but at the same time seeing cases go up daily at an incredible rate and death rates. Go up nearly at breaking records every day and still being told we're almost out of is this light at the end of the tunnel. The truth is we don't have like yet now. It's a very very long tunnel. There may be great for the way way down the track actually so and again. It's it's relative. So what do you mean by law by law at. Here's what the reality is so My office at columbia will open provisionally formally in september. Twenty twenty one. Basically you know ten months from now And then they'll officially formally opened with zinc. Right now are also changed january. Twenty twenty two so for some people that's eternity and for some people. Whatever but i think your point that you were when you're saying people are impatient with people are impatient. And it's unfortunate because it's gonna take patients and grit and courage to keep up the things we need to worry about or follow Until we got this fully under control right and how silly it is that people just think again to your point about how you know war zones and all this stuff in and we're making a fuss about something as trivial as wearing a mask when you're in proximity of other people other stuff. It's just it's mind blowing. How how happy we can be about some of these things and a catholic makes me a real Angry to deal with that. But that's my initial app to deal with now We learn something from h one n one and there was kind of a plan that was in place with dealing with pandemic and not to go down that road of how it was gra- scrapped. Just because they're petty stuff but are we learning anything in this pandemic because my feeling is with bound to have more of these right even so are we learning anything powerful about a had had a deal with this and deal with it shorter term for the next one. I don't know i hope so. I hope so. But like you is frustrating that We we have such a level of impatience That were so many of us are not putting up with any of it anymore. This is think called a pandemic fatigue. In oh okay. But it's pandemic fatigue pandemic fatalities so take your pick here yet inconvenient. But it's the the governor of the jerseys amusing in the context of everything but he said yeah. I know it's i know it's annoying. I know it's difficult but you know it's a lot a lot more noise and death definitely a more. It's on the jersey. Are you from jersey from new york. I'm i'm out on long island. Which kind of when you bring up new york. I i mentioned be connected with chair cares And so it's kind of curious like a your new york. Dr at columbia And so and she has a west coast there. Tell me a little bit about your relationship with chair and out. How got together to form this foundation. Yeah so i think it was about in. May i been doing a fair amount of tv on msnbc are with respect to cove. I'm a public f- analyst for them but Sheriff saw something that. I was where i was being interviewed. And she had her people reach out to me and then she called at a long hawk with earn some months ago now and she was very concerned in verse specifically hit by covid also deeply respected. She was concerned about the whole pandemic of course but she was particularly concerned about low income communities. Isolated humidity's people. Who aren't getting the there what they needed in terms of. Ppa or other supplies through testing. And she asked it finds. It helped her a make. Sure that some of these very underserved communities populations would be getting help and i said we had helper teams. Took a million dollars of her own money and put it into a special Funds and she has helped distributors. And that's what we've been doing for these months. So we've been providing health for health a help for people in rural clinics were for example in some into central california dealing with the clinics that are serving farmers were providing p and s clean insistence and some cases. Things like this in fact is we have a very interesting pro. Made york that. We're gonna be rolling out soon. So one of issues schools were closed. The reopening a closed again on when they reopen lot of rushing from low-income families. will need their vaccinations that regular childhood. Vaccinations to get back in school. But we haven't clinics and all that a lot of places are closed so in new york. We're gonna be using a mobile pediatric clinic from my foundation. The trolls fun. And we're going to be going around the city. Exact sedating children so they can get back into school and so they could be protected against mumps measles oil and so on. We have this tall ridiculous anti vaccine movement. That's going on in the world today. And i hate to even sound like i'm supportive of that because obviously vaccinations have Played a big part in why we lifespan for our longer. And people are dying You know you up. But i don't even wanna make It's kind of difficult for me to trace bet just use vaccines to vaccines have been developed. Go fast that it makes me suspect it takes ten years normally and this only got rush through in ten months or less. It makes me wonder. Is it going to be safe in. Just because we've seen you know trials and all that we won't know really for for several months right if there were any real serious side effects from an either yeah but most of the serious side effects actually do occur in the shorter time by the way i had the same issues. David croker bannon on air. I was very worried. When trump announced the operation warp speed and talking about getting vaccine ready before the end of twenty twenty-nine as very skeptical. But here's what the reality. So yes they from. Google companies may clashes work buns off and they got the vaccine but really the fundamental underlying work started. Long time of two thousand. Three mars scare thousand. Three is the same family as a virus as this cova virus affect. It's sars kobe to and the two indicates is the second round of a virus on the same family. And that's important biggest. We started working on technology to develop a vaccine that ended up being employed to create the kobe. Vaccine number one and number two. The manufacturers really started focusing on the covid At least a year ago or january the first indications were happening so and has been very careful. Are they as folsom as no. They're not all. I can tell. You is soon as i can get one. I'm getting my son is emergency. Medicine docket In the amounts is list and his wife was a researchers in the serology and then the vaccine. Both of them have gotten their shots. In fact anya my daughter was in the clinical trial for five but she actually got the actual vaccine not single. Wh is this what you just said. There i think needs to be part of the public information. that's out there. It would make a lot more people a lot less anxious or nervous about taking the vaccine at definitely when it makes perfect sense that yeah one was a good starting point. Says they already had some of the work done explaining that relieves a lot of the fears. You why why do you think. That's not being publicized with everything else. I mean we get so much else. That's thrown at us. That's a very important piece of information that would make people more likely to get the vaccine. Yes absolutely late. But you know we've lived for ten months with so much confusion so many missteps so much incompetence and so much. Is this a family. Show where you can rewind superbowl. This is has been fucked up from day one. When it first came out at china The mismanagement by the trump administration has been staggering. Look i was never triumphant but this degree of confidence and misrepresentation created this first lavas absolute loss of confidence By americans for anything. Coming out of government. I mean trump was publicly humiliating. Some of the most respected infectious disease experts. The world like foul g It was it was mind boggling. And it's very very frustrating. But at the same time it undermines confidence so no matter what set by this point There's a lot of repair work that has to be done. Hopefully this'll happen relatively quickly. But i i'm not sure that speech. What do you think your communications. Guiding so i call him president. What well at this point out and credit we cut You know he put out other. Doctors weren't even really dancers. Just people standing there in the white coat to dispute everything that found she says and then You know it doesn't give him the answer that he's looking for you'll find somebody else who will and and so that part of it just plays into the confusing and all that stuff. Yeah i agree. We are in a place where and it it. The situation is this and it really is. Donald trump is asking people not to believe anybody but him. So don't ignore science. ignore it. All your doctors ignore history. Historians ignore everybody. The only Ignore your own senses if you wake up and you see sunshine. Don't believe it's a winner so with the guys to vaccine now it confusing for people. Because i don't think any other infectious disease like this. That i know of and obviously i'm not a doctor but I don't think any of them where you've gotten the disease and you still need vaccine I is as wrong in that. Like if you got the flu. General for that season. You don't need to get the flu shot because you're immune to it now with this we don't with you and by the way this is still one of the open questions. Should somebody had the who have the disease In march or april should they be online to get the vaccine. My instinct is now. Why would they be if they have. If they have the appropriate immune response which measure by getting this open serology tests not the test to see if you have the virus but the test called serology to see if you have immune immunity and that's that's one of the big tricks however so now we have in the last week or two biden is getting a vaccine harris Pence got Should front get a vaccine. He had disease neurology however he also has a very powerful addison's which could have interfered with the development of a cropper immune response he steroids dexin. He had something called monoclonal antibodies. And we just don't know whether getting those medications have interfered enough using him as an example with him getting a proper mule fuster disease so for him. He should probably get shots. But that doesn't come across clearly so that people are completely confused by the way a lot of doctors don't know the answer either. I'll tell you even big experts. That's a that's a part. I've been saying right from the beginning and and you know to the Social media experts to people who Never went to college and barely graduated high school who are experts of this They hear things on the news. And my you know mantra is. This disease is way to new whether it be any like complete experts in it. It's just not as absolutely true. You know take with things. Like the hydroxy chloroquine treatment. Prescribing claim dachshund. Still believing it. It's just that when they do their testing When they do the her peer reviewed evaluation whether it actually helps overall improve it Hossam reducing hospitalizations improving the disease. There was a lot of controversy until the studies came out. Said it really didn't tell right so go ahead. No i was just gonna say this. There were still. There are a lot of doctors who were giving it out and believe in it probably still do believe in it to some extent right so along those same lines being so new in the vaccine being so no. We don't know if i get the vaccine. Say i'm a healthcare worker I get the vaccine is still capable of getting the disease passing. It passed somebody else. Even though i've been vaccinated a we know that for sure or not so three weeks ago. A call routing him. How can i asked them so accepts about to go on on. Msnbc interview said. I'd like to make the following statement on television. Which is that if i get vaccinated and i have four weeks later against the immunology tests serology tests and shows positive that i'm immune to it And my good to go. Can i go anywhere tonight. Get about the massacre with he said. Don't say that because we don't ask will whether you can be a carrier or not even a simpler manically and even if you have antibodies after you've gotten shot so there's this foundry at his mouth and i'm telling you just there are too many things that we don't know the answer to so wait. I think the good thing for dr to do is to as we say in any field air on the side of caution so we want to be a little more conservative that otherwise might want to be like. I was all ready to go with the folks. You get your shot. Crew the jeff immune immune response and go party man not right One of my closest friends is an administrator in a nursing home and Often one of them will often phrases. I've heard out of his mouth in the last six months i would have to say is false false positives false positives and he enough for me to think that it's It's it's a prevalent situation now. I wanna share my situation. 'cause i'm still confused about it and the question really is how long can the remnants of the disease or the antibodies within your system. When last january third. I was working in an office doing some consulting and Somebody just came back from wuhan china with the flu. And i got sick but it was such a mild sickness. I said to my wife. This is the weakest flu. I've ever had my life. It doesn't even feel like the flu. Nowhere got it from the guy who i was in contact. That in the office will yes but i never got tested. Two months later my wife got it. And then i got tested and i had antibiotic bodies but i didn't feel thing. I felt great and matter of fact i better than i ever had in my life. So my thinking is now i might have had it in january and the antibodies. Were still showing up different january. You must have had in january guys. Of course who symptoms didn't get doesn't when he got tested get anybody's there's no other way you got it. You didn't get seen out right the only way you could have gotten those antibodies was because you have the disease it don't forget. This is a horrible scary disease but the vast majority of people have either no symptoms or minimal symptoms of people that are at high risk of reasons when they get a virus. They can get very sick and some of them will survive. But i i would bet anything that you absolutely did have You know lead covid. Nineteen does that with my assumption. But i am very outspoken about anybody who wants to self diagnose diagnose tells and say that so it would seem like it made common sense to me like made a lot of sense to me but at that same time it wasn't really in this country or had been discovered in this country before and so they were claiming. It wasn't in the nobody had you but as we've known this you said it was up from the beginning trump. We don't really win the first. You know that's right so so there's no you're saying your way mind and i'm saying in my professional mind. Were in the same place you had it. Yeah okay you said your wife had it too. Yeah my wife had it. She wasn't terrible for her. She slept a lot of went through the. I can't take mellon. what did you taste and smell. When when i had the symptoms in early january it was yeah but for an hour or two it really. Wh one day was really kind of bad and then the rest of the days. I was walking around. Saying i i. I'm coughing. I know i have something at. It doesn't feel like a flow in that guy just came from from china with the flu in but just doesn't know when i get the flu. I'm a bad patient. I am i in bed in Die every time he gets a little call it sniffle. You would brave on going to work and going to a nursing home performing music for seniors with thinking. I just had like you know mild flow in as long as i stay away from people. I was okay And so i think you know but the question really is if antibodies can live in your System for that long that could account for a lot of what we going all thousand people who actually had an welcome at the didn't have really breads and running. Yeah you know we make sure my wife. My wife's not listening. No she's not. So i would get one of my grandchildren cova night. She's not behind you so now seriously and is something very real and what that means is that you send a test lab where you get one of those new rapid tests and it could be positive but for just a laboratory so that happens and so false negatives sometimes people have the virus doesn't really show up and this is when they do the testing when find your or a madonna dosage testing. They're looking for the rates of false positives and false negatives but it's they're doing the testing to confirm whether somebody give virus. Who has the false positives negatives can happen by you. You know test at the time but turn out that you did. In retrospect habit. I know something. I i say often. But i don't think he'd be said enough because it the ridiculous conspiracy spirits and nonsensical out there and unfortunately It it needs to be solved said lee and by as many people with authority as possible weekend. So i'm gonna ask you this in a very point blank way is would you compromise Your education your license your integrity your everything you've built your whole life around for a few hundred dollars took to inflate defeat numbers of of kobe. Patients inflate inflate while they saying that actors and nurses are are are creating false go just attributing data from two to with four money for monetary game is frigging. Crazy is just and this is the problem with the internet. Now you know some ways. It's the most incredible thieves. Think about what you do with google But internet has a very dark side. Which is the ability to amplify right. Wing racist extremism Bullshit about the covert and everything to do with it And it's really difficult. Which is why you know at the beginning of this Podcast you asked me about. What are reliable source of people could turn to and again it's worth repeating the cdc your your local major medical center infectious disease department of the american academy of pediatrics recommended association. All of these are brand names of highly. Reputable organizations doesn't mean they're all right all the time and many things get changed review. Want the most credible information you go to one of those sources. Don't listen to people. Blabbing about conspiracies and bullshit on on the internet. It can't do it and we can do it but you'll end up being misleading going down into a rabbit hole misinformation and and militias misinformation that. Either way my very politically tainted right there were people were trying to make a poi- supporters of trump or whoever and sank. What he says. It's good with me and that's also very bad. And you not just remembering. Now you reminding of these frigging insane rallies and he went out for the magazine nomex during the height of this calls it a disaster and how many people sick a people died from the exposures and and from the crap that was being spewed out by donald. Trump will never go exactly. Does a damn shame that we laugh this to happen. America a yeah you know. It's extremely frustrating for people who Kind of look at it from a common sense of perspective. But i'm not. I am defensive of the profession of medical doctors and for somebody to to even kind of suggest that a doctor would go to school for ten years or whatever and residency and internship and all that kinda stuff that hundred hundreds of thousands of dollars for as game and when risk it for without dollars to save somebody died of covid for donald trump. Because they're not really ben benefiting beyond that. This is all good benefit somebody else's Agenda or still see people doing it and and matt day Guy who again. He's an administrator at a nursing. Home is arguing me. That mass don't work. And here's the proof. Study where one st had people are mandated to wear masks other. People didn't have to wear masks. And the one that didn't have to wear masks had a lower infection rates so that proves that massive really not effective in off bogus piece of research absolutely bogus and the overwhelming not just us international data and studies over and over again have demonstrated that mass worth and Can you find somebody who's that they didn't work. Of course you can like internet for anything you want. Whatever be reinforced. You'll find it on the internet and This is what we've been living with and it's It's just amazing. And i you know what the real antidote to that ended his to that. But we're after figuring out that the binding administration's going to be really good not just science but also on the messaging and as you were talking about before dealing with the anti vaccines we're going to have to get to them and make sure that as many people's puzzle really do get that vaccine. Well at the start of this thing and i think for most of it children were a very Small part of the infected Population they won't they weren't. They seem to be harder to it was hard for them to get to these in of sorts. She's the effects of news. Were were less on children. But what i read in the last couple of weeks seem to suggest that Best that. I'm working with a the child population now and they're getting it more prominently do do we have any like rescreen info that what the right. So we've always. The kids can carry. Carry the sars. Kobe virus cordless And they carry their noses but usually very low level and they usually don't really get sick. There was for a while A multi multi system inflammatory syndrome in children. Which was this kind of weird. After effect for kids getting attracted a lot of men that nice us. We're still seeing some of that. But compared to adults they only get covid. Nineteen anc small fraction comparatively to what adults get. They can get it. We're seeing more of it as you point out but it's still a fraction of the Threat is to adults the end. The idea Would it's another ridiculous idea. Everything has to have some political angle too right but the people who are trying to whatever agenda tried to play in this thing down with still ten months into it you know still under denial edge of it They want to claim it goes three hundred lives. Three hundred thousand lives. One at one is important because you will old and you're gonna die anyway i take it. You're like me over sixty years old or at least in that area How does that argument ring with you. It gives it fills actually yeah You know the i made. This is way to remind a little bit about what countries or systems that want to eradicate people like you know you think about nazi. Germany that That the jews gypsies people disabilities gays were expendable and that kind of decision made by government is outrageous and even to hear it from the public and by the way the other uncomfortable truth. Here is that Blacks and hispanic populations are much more susceptible to getting sick cova to getting the first point is getting very sick and actually dying from it. It's not because there's any inherent vulnerability in african americans. It's because there. Many many many puts that are predominantly black. Respondents are with predictable. Must go to work. They absolutely must go to work. And the working and You know these essential jobs like their clerks in grocery stores or drugstores or the working public transportation jobs they are way more susceptible and expose rather to the general population much more likely to get sick and then take it home even without symptoms and infect other people. Yeah so you know. I'm hoping that no one is suggesting that we should be taking care of them with ecobill equitable access to medications and there are a lot of economic factors that play into that as well. I mean the people in those areas where there are lot minority areas. A lot of them are for eib. Especially since we've kind of abandoned obamacare at twenty million people now have health coverage at did they have no health coverage so they're not like you to go to a doctor and even foreign. It's a nightmare. It couldn't be a worst combination of mismanagement taking away. Healthcare from twenty million people when they need it most drunk the biggest pandemic that we've seen in a hundred years is probably the worst Recipe for disaster and then of course what you just described with the twilight zone Europe's elite tied type of mentality that we are in nazi germany and stalin's regime and all. So where's the optimism here now because we are getting close to where we need to wrap this up. I have your share cares website in the description and people can click on it and it's scrolling across the bottom. How can we help And what can what can we do to kind of be do anything positive in in all so so there is an end to this. This is sort of conversation with that question. What are they growing questions was about that in the end will come if a patient if we stick to the guidelines. If we take the vaccine soon as it's availables us it is going to be over and what's not going to be over part of it is potentially fixable i i'm reading a new book on the pandemic generation but my existing last books Called the future of us and what the dreams of for twenty first century. America that book the future for us has been updated to include what people what families at parents can do to bring the end of this sooner than otherwise. But the thing about it. Why i'm worried about the future of children. Is that a lot of children who are missing school right now. As their schools have been disrupted since march up and down on and off in in-store in remote. Learning situations has been for some kids. Just fine my grandchildren. We have Seven of the You're all doing fine but for the children who are living in families where they don't have broadband internet access with a may not have the hardware. They need to work and made him have adults at humble good helps them and mentor them. Through this process of learning how to learn remotely those children and millions of them matt are vulnerable now there To catch up in school is extremely limited. And i am hoping that every person in our country understands this challenging does what ever he or. She can to help who are vulnerable right. Now get through this really talking mostly at the educational trajectory you know. It's it's a big challenge. Oh of course it would seem logical bet First of all low income areas and people who were struggling economically to begin with the schools aren't great to begin with but then but then when you when you put that challenge on On a school that was already challenged with staffing and student being able to kind of Focus because as we know in in some of those cases where families are economically destitute. Those children seem to have a higher instances of adhd and all that stuff and so all of that complicates of again. It sounds like Scientists science fiction that has been scripted for the worst possible outcome. But it's the the reality that we're living within. We have to deal with it. So i'm willing to do anything i can to help. Continue promote the stuff and Promote your work as well. Because i think again. I'm the only one person he is. I think i probably helped a little bit but there are too many people who are just suffering from tremendous cognitive dissonance. Right now that. It's it's just really hard to break the cycle of bad information which i thought was really why i'm very grateful for having you on and the more we can get this message out. Maybe maybe things will start to improve sooner but So i do appreciate your time here. I hope i hope we got through to somebody. I don't you know fingers cross. Fill get through a lot of people. Well thank you. Thank you for all your information and please when you when you new book comes out. Please consider coming back and promoting it. Here gonna mess can be sick. I'll take you up on that. But in the meantime this book the future of us is available updated for the pandemic jewish in it's available wherever people get books but thank you so much for having made the break competition time with very quickly and you'll love made it at the freedom to say whatever i want language included. Yeah well and that. And you know what i think. 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Mark Officially Has A.D.D. - EP 284

Straight Talk with Ross Mathews

1:12:08 hr | 2 years ago

Mark Officially Has A.D.D. - EP 284

"Who was that? Who was that was that? Really? Mickey was that really? You. Foul that is unbelievable. Sounded very mail. Like I didn't was that a joke was that I'm drinking a soda diet Hanson sodas. They're delicious. And I don't I don't I don't know. What's not in it something, I don't know one of the health food stores. So it's good for. You just down. That was bad. Sorry, please do that on call. Can you just do it? There's your answer. Anyway, everybody. Welcome to Croker record reporting. That was the prayer. It is our first show, back home NICKY. Stop it being in. All student we were in Brooklyn in the last two weeks, you got to hear the fun. We had there. We're going to recap all of that. Plus, so much going on with Fags CJ has gone onto he's in Hawaii with EM either having great vacation. So we're all on a losers here. Still in. Here in LA filling in for filling in for CJ CJ's ten. Mark is less than seven be still here. We're excited. There's not fulfill in up markets here, and he has some breaking news. I cannot wait to get to. Are you going to be on your computer the whole time? No, no Steph to send this is about the thing. We're gonna talk about later. Just gotta get it cleared up silver. Got it super duper. Hey, Mike McMurray. It's horrible. He's the gay best friend. You wish you had and no you need this top love money. Now here is Ross MAC. Share? Sweet. Temba gye. Welcome to the program. What if really been almost show we have for you today's around? Jay cooke. My new thing down the round is that I'm not going to pronounce anything. I love it. Nayla. I love it so annoying. And oh. Oh, Marcus Dylan computer, take an Email to Mark's. Breaking news. I do have to say before we do that, we haven't really seen you since Brooklyn really you guys. I heard, I know you heard that first episode cracker, nausea was really interesting. I know there was a little audio issue in the audience. Just one of the mice wasn't reading, otherwise. In other words, I thought it was great. And that second episode. Nikki bobbin for Apple's big Apple's that episode was so much fun. So I was so I was so hopeful that it would translate in the pockets, the fun that we had there with all of those straight talkers from all over the east coast. And I think it did you know, I mean you can't really show what it was really lying. But I feel like eighty percent of what it felt like was there in the audio. But but can I fill in the second the last twenty percent? That's math carry the one in was so fun to be there for starters with, with you guys and CJ but to be there with those listeners, and we do the meet and greet. And and I remember sitting backstage in. Saying tending j rod out, and I said this on the show, I said, I are there, any straight talk, I couldn't my head around that, you know, and then when j went out and he said Hello Ross pot. And, you know, a hundred seventy people scream with Bush Ricky back, and that which is a one show, the first, it was so rewarding as we because we sit in this silly little studio in my house. You know, this guest room and receive homo. Literally in the middle of a sentence. But your computers now me. It was it was emotional all joking. Aside was very much closer. Did you feel that you saw me? I was crying backstage. I couldn't believe it was just very it was like all those little inside jokes that we feel like we have in here, we hope resonates, then all of a sudden, we got that validation and fit we all felt like family. When you say straight talk family, we really mean that well, I have to it was we, we, we do this podcast as excuse to get together laugh with our friends. It's like youth group and that, right? And like I didn't really understand how invested you all were Intel them. I got it. There's something about this one. We were on the other side of the country. We're outside of our comfort zone. I didn't know this venue. I didn't know anyone would show up and doing what in Palm Springs, easy because no one shows up fine. It's like you know, quarter mile from house get drug into the matter. This felt like steaks or something. And the fact that you all showed up, and I know Nikki doesn't eat meat but it still. I felt like steaks. What do you sometimes beef with me? This it just felt like. Made me think about how much this show means people. So it just reinvigorated me that I needed it just did. And I really loved it. And, and we did walk off stage in Nikki burst into into tears. We did have this little green room on the side of the stage a little bathroom attached to it. And we all sort of using it all throughout the day in the first show, we go use it. And then it had a door going right to where the audience was. But we would always lock it until we realize that, that lock didn't work and anyone could walk into any point. Now, you remember that I was on antibiotics for my soul and salivary gland. And those antibiotics returning my butthole into a chilly with the heat. Oh bubbling over my body. And so, I told Nikki right before we were going for the second show. I go oh my God. I it's got to happen right now. It's got. But, but where do I go like there was no way to get to an outside the only bathroom but the audience is right there, and there was just a little like builders grade cheap door between there that could it lock? Nikki, you've gotta go on the audience stand by that. So if you were in that audience that day for the second show you just saw Nikki for some reason, come out into the audience like. Like. Stand randomly on the side of the venue in front of a door and I couldn't move talking. I can't hear you and I'm holding the door knob area on patrol. But she say that. When I go, she didn't say that because I heard everything she said, because I went to the bathroom and as my chilly pot is bubbling over. I hear Nikki on the other side of this door. People are like, making Nikki clapping going. Nice to meet you. Oh, we're gonna get started any second Roth excited to shitting. You're, I'm a foot and a half away bubbling over. Skidmarks. Toilet. Rossi's bubbly. With happening two seconds of right there. I thought you were joking when you're like, Nikki, I have. I thought he's joking. He's not going to go in that he went in there. What would the other option was to just go pants during the show? Yeah. Done that. There's a whole thing about Putin, my pants member with. Yeah. And you wrote a song this before you joined full seamark listen to the show. Mark knows all about the show. So tell me what you think about flaxseeds career is automated. Penn writer. Great specifically. Automated part. I like that we've been talking about it for weeks. So what is it? If you're 'cause you're an expert in the show, you schooled Fags iw member. He's, he's even on the show. He should know it. You're on the show, so Philipson. Mario it wasn't episodes Amman. Well, no. That's true. You don't know what Fags he does know. What is this? We talk on the show for weeks and weeks. You don't have any idea at all. No say it floating for him. Automatic ten writer. Automatic pin writer, would you mind like replying password, Mark? What is automatic pin writer? What did they do? What is an automatic pin writer do? Honestly, no idea. Well, now's when you would guess so you. Was the first thing that comes I think that it. Oh, because I've seen the I know what you're talking about now because I've seen the post where you write notes, and things people leave them. They're like that's your. Yeah. I've seen the post like on the Facebook, Instagram, Instagram. What is what does he do? He writes, these little notes and leaves them. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of cute. No. That's incorrect. With the ball. Do you find? I'm going to. Here's what I'm gonna guess is that you are person that if you have a paper and you have a pen in your hand even if you're not paying attention. You find that you, you just write things. No. Would you like to? Bone. Tell him wrong. I'm an automatic pin writer, which is a form of medium ship kind of a psychic thing where it's in the same ballpark as my paintings. So you would ask him a question, and he has a pension sketches. And it gives the answers gives Amjad. Channeling the spirit world through your hands. Yeah. Yeah. So, so Fags he's doing this and he started. You know, he read Adam upon and it's been a beautiful experience your career thrive. Now I am. Of course you I'm into newly into crystals. They've changed my life, you know this. I talk about what do I talk about all the time. I do love my mold divide. Now, if you don't know, mall divide is a space rock on, I need to gather it is. Oh my God. I know right? Listen. I just wanna do a disclaimer. Forbade shit. Crazy. Yeah. Batch it crazy. Disclaimer I hear myself. I understand. But if I could tell you the difference in my life before I bought a four I found motivate. And after it is night and day. Okay, I motivate is a very so in the Czech Republic fifteen years ago, comic crash, and it formed this like thing, this GU dried and in it like those bubbles that the air pressure in there is a bazillion times stronger than Austin because it captured it froze, right awake. So then these these rocks and you, they make beautiful jewelry out of them. And I bought a piece we were to Krystal storm just recapping in case people didn't know. I, I don't think I knew this part after sort of traumatic experience in my life. I went and went to the crystal shop and like they said. Oh, you need they kept trying meat facts. Took me. There are other types of crystals and things. Right. You can just give a shout out to the crystal you called it crystals in bullshit. But the stores called the crystal shrine here in Burbank, and I'm going to get to that store here in because that store is now playing a pivotal role. Mark in our lives, as you're still on your computer. I'm actually totally listening. Okay. Great. So what's the name of the store, Irving? Oh, I didn't catch that. We said before I. I call it crystals. And but. I like that crystals. No. That's a strip club on San Fernando. I knew I'd seen. No as funny. That is so funny. Okay. So I went into crystals bullshit crystals, but holes in, but I call it bubbles of bullshit. Right. But I still I'm looking at all these crystals and nothing's doing in the woman, there named tamra tamra goes, you need a unique motivate and she walked over, and she puts his green things stone in my hand, and it's like my body took flight, and I bought it, and started wearing it and researching Moldova and motivate it's supposed to really like harness your intuition, that voice in your head space. Yes. I went through it how fifteen million years ago. Yeah. I mean I just did while you were saying, you're listening, while you're on your computer. Sorry. So you miss that part to Jessica did. All sounds familiar now the thing is because you and I have talked about this, because when you talked about it, and so I. Confusing. The two whether it's at an hour, then sorry. Glad you're here. Now, we are glad you hear more we announcement coming up for Mark, which will good honestly, make some sense. The deep but I think we'll have a clearer picture of Mark in general coming up. So I look at all these stones she puts motive at Miami's minutes. Harnesses that intuition it harnesses your second that you already have it brings it to the forefront. It's very powerful. In fact, facts and I went to a different crystals bullshit in Palm Springs, the annex and we what's it called the in the Palm Springs? Yeah. I don't remember that game of that, but we walked in and I said, do you have any mole divide? And what are the women's at oh, you got to be really careful with the mold of I it's only for specific people. She goes to civic people can deal with that she said, most people can't handle it. Everything's changed since I got my first piece of mold of it. So then I got my second piece of Moldova, which is this. Ring ring. We that is. It's on your pinky. And it is a good. Could rain could hurt. Can you let other people shirt? Not supposed to the Nikki, no. Get off my motivate. So what is what is what if you could sum, it up in, like a couple of words, what is the biggest effect that you feel the mall divide has had on you? I feel like it has. Honest since I cannot. Trust, it feels like any it's, it's strengthened my intuition. Okay. To do what the little voice tells me, you know, sometimes that comes in your head, you're like, okay, this is so much easier to this way, or I know. But, like I don't want to that little voice. It tells you why are you playing this role in this? Why are you doing this? You should pick that one many people push that down. I'm sorry. We all heard that voice. Absolutely. It really makes voice so loud. That's what made for me that I go. Okay, I'm gonna follow that voice and every time I follow it things just like experiences. I've never had have happened people that I never thought I would meet I've met, I've really listened in a different way. And maybe it's all bullshit and psychosomatic. But whatever a my mold of I has really done something. I, I. Think that there's things that have been around for thousands of years before medicine or anything like that. And even if people say psychosomatic, so what it's actually doing something for you, because I've noticed since you've done that, that you actually started putting yourself out there more. Yes. A lot more. I think that whatever was going. Don't do that. Or whatever was holding. You back. You really just put yourself out there. So it sounds like it just puts you in touch with your gut more. Yeah. Yom got too strong word, but yeah. Can I just say in that story, it was really fascinating because he put the ring on his finger and he felt pain through through his hand up into his arm. It was I hear I didn't belive I, but he, he kept saying it was felt say this airy-fairy shift you all the time. And you look at me like I'm crazy. And now you're saying to me, and I'm kinda like I wish I it's a tale of two Ross's because I'm looking at myself, and I'm also experiencing so stupid, you guys. But just tried out Google love it. But, but so let me tell you a story, so crystals Bullshits here in Burbank. Which is called crystal's shrine. Shrine isn't it's my favourite crystal store. It's on magnolia. It's great in Burbank. So Fags east doing the autumn, he starts doing the automated Penn writer here on the show. We'll at crystal shrine. They have a booth in the back where they have tarot card readers or a little room. We I go site game mediums. They have extra large. They have a pet psychic. Can't go. The pet psychic is the one thing I can't wrap my brain around. I just had a reading from her she's great. How do you know if she's telling you the truth or not because because animals have souls? I agree with that. Although I've Diana's father in law says they don't have souls. The only reason they love you because you feed them not true. No not. Jesus little weird is no. She picked up my dog personality. The one yes. Yeah. Healing for me because I was stuck that I, I actually help believe it or not. I get that more than the people that, like, go to a live dog. And then say your dog is saying this, and that value somebody reading the dog. Yeah, there's a psychic, who I love name Sonya Fitzpatrick. She's I don't know if she has any more beyond Sirius XM, and she'd be like. People call me like I wanna know if Fluffy's happy slap feed doesn't like it when you leave should talk. Yeah. Yeah, he does. He loves it was you. Give treats treats fluffy loves that more. Hope. That's like the whole plot of secret life of pets. That's not like a stretch early. Okay. So here's the deal. So in that booth in the back room Fags alone. Got an idea in his head. I in fact said to him. I should do my automatic pin writing back there for clients you that thought. That's right. I did. And I ended up meeting scheduling a meeting with the owner of the crystal shrine and her name is. That's not her name. Her name is Shana, and that's the owner. And so I met a matter Shanna. Shunt shannon. I went and met her. And she ended up telling me that she listens to the podcast. You knew everyone here. Let me do the story. Yeah, so facts he walks in show is the owner Shana and then tamra is walks in and on here for my interview and tamra tells Shawna. Oh, this is Ross is friend and Shawna says, all I listen to the podcast. In fact, she goes, I'm Fags Malone. And she said what did she say right away? My god. And then she said, MO. There was she mad that I call it. Crystalline bullshit. No, she thought it was hilarious. She has a great sense of humor. She loves the show loves it loves you. And so, but it was just great that she knew all of us, you know, so she fancy gives her an automatic pen, writing debts every time I wanna get that every time I say that. Shimao. You guys always put this in songs. That's your favorite. So every time I say, automate, Penn writer for now, I wanna do that. I like that he gives her a reading in the back room. And then when did Shana do Shana hired me on the spot. So now the reading just really came through for her so fag Z Malone now every Saturday is will be at crystal shrine in Burbank. Damn straight giving readings every Saturday every Saudi Saturday from eleven to six our listeners can go in meet alone. In reading, at Christie's shrine in Burbank. Amazing. Mar do you have a special pennies does the pin have crystals in it or anything like that, or just any panel just do any pen? And how did you find out that you could do this? Well, I kind of explained all doing it kind of in a way because I've always done art. It's in the same ballpark people. Ask me all the time like how do you paint? I don't know how is magic. Answer marks first question was. How did you learn that you could do this? Right. Well, do you really want to repeat? Yeah. Well, I was going through. I really fell in love with a guy that didn't like me back. I was I felt rejected. I really lost myself in this experience. I mean really lost myself. So I ended up going to a bookstore one night and book presented itself to me called the boyfriend within, and I thought, well, if I can't find a boyfriend out there, maybe to find a boyfriend in here. So read the first chapter, it was about that the author explained this technique of using to where you pick up. One journal you pick up one right out of question. Put that pinned down. Pick up the other pin kind of clear your head and just let it flow. And see what comes out. So I started receiving these beautiful messages started healing me, and helping me sleep. And it just was it was amazing just help me so much. So then I was thinking at the time, and I presented, she wanted to see. And then she. She sent me to the hip hypnotherapy center here in Tarzana where I did a reading for them, and they diagnosed me, as an automatic pin, and now he's a professional when but. Readings in two thousand five. What if people aren't here in California can't make it crystal shrine on Burbank to get an automatic pen reading facts Malone every Saturday at eleven? What did they do? I created a website automatic pin writer dot com and you can go on my website, and you can book a reading through there, and I'll call you and we'll do a reading thirty minutes, sixty minutes this is so exciting. I'm so proud of you. Penn writer dot com. You can get all that done one other totally. I love your question. So I've just always wondered this, when you see psychics and stuff do you. And if you don't want to share this fine, but how does the payment work do you work on hourly? Or do you work on a per client basis? You like. Jer. Well, when I first started doing the readings I was giving readings seamy valley in the back of my friends store just took donations. So this now, I charge sixty dollars per half hour one hundred twenty four an hour get that we're so proud. At the store to the rate, the rate at the store to listen. I uh something's going on. We need to talk about it happened, and we haven't had a chance to address it. Happy. Happy blunt. Happy day to. Here's a cupcake for you. Darling. Mark. There you go. This is so cute women's your birthday Marky Mark June fourteenth forty-seven got you. Things one a hot chocolate. Nice. Thank you. I got you a shirt with sharks really love it, and I got you my favorite fate. This is the pen of eight pens. Can I say, what name it is? Or should I not do an endorsement infused? No, this is the best, most fun gig Lee. Oh, one time. Can I Nikki, and I and some other people in my place in Palm Springs, did this and I haven't left that hard in so long. It was so good. We were together. Ross was smoking and Tommy bought it off of. I gave it brand new just take it. And he wouldn't take he gave me the money for it. Because it was brand new, but I just wanting to have it, but he gave me do it now. We do. Now, I want to start giggling. No. 'cause I gotta drive okay? But market is the best. If you wanna know it's called honeypot, and I get the Lang Lang and orange. Well, how do you say? Why? L A N G Lang Lang. Healing whatever orange. It is delicious. Okay. All right. Baby. Good. So very birthday. You are very loved me. All right. I appreciate that. Oh, we love you. When we come back in honor Mark's birthday, there's going to be an announcement market's going to make that very proud of him for finding out discovering. And I think it will help us understand him more and. Yeah. Yeah. Explains that wall, does, I'll tell you my hesitate. When we come back. I'll tell you. I tell you explain my hesitation, much more. 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You know, it's, it's, it's like life just gets in the way, sometimes of being able to go. Do all the things that you wanna do. No. That was beautifully. Oh. Well, I mean, that's actually part of the reason why is getting up here for the podcast and everything. And when CJ's hair it's, it's I come weap- when I can do missed a listeners, and I love when I do show up, I get really nice feedback on, like Instagram. You've been really good, given interrupting me this any, this episode at all or anything a little different like I don't know your home, and there's something we are you being serious? I'm really I I've said a couple of times he's kind of cute. Like he's, he's very cute. How he's presenting himself today was talking to date. Do not know what the announcement is going to be, and it's so incredible. I su- Meyer ballpark of God, the fact that you were saying this is so crazy. It's not mold divide. This is actually not an aunt and motivate. It's not pen Mark just going on. So if you don't if you your regular listener to the program, you know, Mark has is has has. Has interrupted a lot in the past has not has jumped in has been like a little frantic, and sometimes that's hilarious. And sometimes drives us that you Crazy Horse. There's always an umbrella of love here because we're all family, okay? Right. We get that. Mark says to me a couple of weeks ago and can I just sort of? I would never make fun of anything anyone's going through with their health or anything like that. So this is not making fun of anything. Okay. If, if you struggle with whatever we're not mocking you. That's what I wanna put out there to Blake statement that being said, now now that we've gotten PC out of the way what we're about to tell you, explain. Spleen so much, Mark. Why don't you tell the story? Yeah. So for those that don't know Diana, and I, we do couples therapy, once a week, we just done that most of our relationship, it's kind of, like, you know, preventative maintenance, great to fight and it's nice 'cause then sometimes we can say let's save for therapy and, and. Say save it every let's bringing up there was there's immediate helps us like walk away from, you know, we're not perfect. We still have our issues sometimes. But it definitely helped cut back on that. And so the therapists we've been with, like probably a year now or something. She a few months back goes, I think ADD. And I go, what? And she goes, you interrupt you did it did. She I think aid, what did what did she say, interrupt? And because you did. I know you went home and Google ADD attention deficit disorder. I can just pull them up real quick off the top of your head. Can you remember some of it was interrupting being anxious losing train of thought? Which is also part of the interrupting because you're frayed you're going to lose train of thought losing things like keys and stuff. Not completing tasks. There's a there's a whole list that I could look up with just about all of them might nine of the ten while. So what are you thinking? When you wouldn't you're there, your couple's therapist says you may have ADD which I think you're couples, therapists speaks for every listener of straight talk with Ross. What did you again? So this is what I want to say, we're not making fun of people with ADD does explain condition. Well serious condition that should be diagnosed true. I think this and they even they, they even feeling that. It might have had something to do with tobacco diction as well. Would you would you about? Yeah. Because that would help me focus and how are you on that tobacco dish addiction phone off a couple of times? But you know it's a work in progress. Where are you now with your addiction off of it? Great. And I ask you a question when, you know you smoke pot does that. Yes, you down. Pot is actually a lot of people ADD use pot. Okay. So, so we're at home and you're seeing the diagnosis in his checking so many boxes. And does that freaking out or making feel like, oh my God? Of course the God. Of course, there's no out. There's no shame this. Great. That's how it should be great. So you're thinking, oh my God. Amazing. Right. This could maybe help. Yes. Exactly. So then what do you do when you I'm sorry. But when you get a diagnosis, sometimes it's a big relief. Like sometimes when it hits, you're like, yes, finally, that's what explains why I'm like the way I am. Yeah. Do you know what I mean a diagnosis, really power? And the thing though, is to is that there's a difference dream for you know in medical. There's a difference between a therapist in the psychiatrists. Right. Psychiatrists are MD's therapists are not so therapists usually have a masters degree, but the can prescribe anything for you or anything, so hatchets. Hatchets to match Easter. Yeah. Yeah. So you have to then find a, a mental health, professional that has an MD to actually do an analysis that we, we did a deep dive into our insurance, who's covered and everything, like that I will tell you those people out here listening, if you wanna have a career that you will always have a job go into mental health, because it took me two months to get an appointment because people are so backed up, and that is, honestly, one of the biggest issues with school shootings, and PTSD all the bad things we hear about in the news is because we do not have enough people in the mental health profession to help people. Right. So it yet so two months, and actually, the first few people, I reached out to our like, we're not taking new patients. So it was it was a quite an ordeal finally get in two months later, and you go in this is just the other day Tuesday. And what's in Mark calls me right after it? What did this mental health, professional say within ten minutes? She was like, Yup. And then we just talk for another twenty or so. And what made her say? Yep. So fast, I think partly the way I was into the program. So. You know, I 'cause my trained thought would jump around and I'd start a story here and then I start another story without finishing that story and then she was asking me about my childhood, and, you know, I was all when I grew up, I was born in seventy two, if you were obnoxious, kid, it was sit down shut up. But even when I was a kid, you know, my dad would sometimes call me mouth through the mouth, because I was always like talking or eating. He's and. So with that, and she said, the problem is, is that there's usually two kids, and she said, they're usually boys in the class, and there will be one. That's really obnoxious and that person gets the attention and the other person it's kind of undiagnosed. And she did compliment me she. She said, usually people are of a higher, I q, which I used to be gifted programs and stuff that you learn how to adjust telling really long stories. Yeah, exactly. But you create you create coping, mechanisms and you create ways to deal with it, and you can usually deal with for most of your life, but his life, progresses and things become more and you have kids and you have jobs, and you have all that at a certain point, it just becomes where you can't deal with any more. So she put you on a small dosage, and it's so easy. Okay. In a couple days in great. You guys already walking. The they sensed it have. You. What did you open the front door? You said Ohio, are they still recording the first show is? Yeah. And then I just walked in, and I thought. Was a very calm very like centered like quick question. Not very interesting. Ross usually work is I wonder where I was on time and you're on time. What, what did you notice faxing? Well, I noticed that he was there was an energy, just calmness around you. There was a you were center it felt like you were centered. And you were calm and you were present. Yeah. Well, and also I felt like it was affecting my work too, because like when we did the thing in here of the who does that. And everybody in. Here's like marks slow to return emails to you. That also kind of started a clue me in on things because what would happen is, I would start to write an Email to somebody because usually, I'll just jump on things as they come. And then something else would happen, somebody who call me text me, another thing come in. I get distracted whatever. And then I would forget to go back to the Email in your think finished it. Yeah. So I would go back to I'm telling you, I was like young. This is going to help a lot of people's. I'm glad that you're so if anybody is having these, these thoughts, maybe we can Google signs of eight. Absolutely. And, and you know, there's may take a minute, because Mark says they're backed up. I don't know if that's the same in every state. But if I just want people to have zero shame and give zero fucks about any everybody else's opinion about this kind of stuff, you know, if there's something out there there's a reason we have medicine. There's a reason, right? They can help with some of the things here. Here's some of the symptoms often makes careless mistakes, and lacks attention to detail often as difficulty paying attention to tasks often seems to not listen when spoken to directly often fails to follow through on instructions tours, or duties in the workplace often has difficulty organizing tasks activities often voice dislikes, or is reluctant to participate in tasks requiring sustain mental effort, like for pairing reports completing forms or reviewing papers often loses things like tools while it's keys paperwork. Eyeglasses mobile phones, often easily distracted by other things, including unrelated thoughts and often forgetful in daily. Titties such is running errands returning calls paying bills and. That's me. Has Diana been bringing these things up to you or she just sometimes you get so, used to your partner sort of idiosyncrasies, you just kind of write them off. But she'd been bringing this up to I think it has been part of our problems with our fights and stuff, because that is even the therapists when you're when the person you are having a discussion or an argument with feels like you're not listening. They start repeating man they start raising their voice escalates, so yeah. Without knowing that it was that, I think Mark is more tractive is volka. I was like he'd looks really good evolve market. I think some of the things that behavior was almost like a smoke around you. So we couldn't even like it is a job really like this is really good. Mark. This is going to open. I have one final question before we go to Greg. And it's just important for me to know with this medication. Now, are you able to find this little? The nice thing his with the medication she gave me if I don't, it's, it's not like like depression medicine. We have to take it every day. And if you don't it messes up your chemical balance this medication. I can take it if I'm going to be working. But if I want to have the weekend off in one just let my brain wonder good. I don't have to take it Sunday or something. Yeah, we do have to take a break. Thank you, Mark on all honest. If you have any questions reach out to Mark on social media, you can find them at bubble the monkey and he'll remember too. If I can figure out how to do that, on Instagram. All right. When we come back, we've got what do we oaks, some good bad jokes? Yes. Nikki trending minute. Mark JIRA getting saucy and I have an Email of the week. Right. Bye. Two thousand nineteen is just started. And yet history has already been made the new normal is here. Have you seen it brought to life in a short film that runs only two minutes long the new normal seeks to leave behind eighty years of unjust prohibition in favor of a safer happier world? 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Oh, my friend. Liz, who is just so good and having such a moment right now. She's your friend. Yeah. We met doing drag race, and then I've just see her all these events and stuff. Absolutely love her. Do you know you know her album, right? Like you know this I don't hold on. Let me play this on grade. One. She's most famous for really. Crystal. Every. Okay. When I hit song, we saw her perform glad award loved her. She's great really great. Flute solo. Good. Yeah. She was on the daily show to she. I. Yeah. Instrument nominal. Welcome back to the program. We're celebrating marks Spurs facts, new pen, writing automatic N writer, prom. Yes. The CDN burping at crystal shrine precision bullshit, and make no EM. Uh-huh. Oh, guess what? It's time for our we don't have. Oh, how are we going to do? You have to do them yourself. It's ever. Good bad joke. Good bad, Joe. Yeah. Straight with. Yes, you know, usually Fags he would do it. Valley girl voice, you'll do it you want Mark to do it. Well valley go. That's mark. Doc to it. So Mark gonna hand you the, the jokes. You'll read them. Don't, don't overeat them, don't we them yet? So don't look, I want you to get your actual. Yeah, actual reaction. So you read them, I'll translate what you say you and your best valley girl voice, we didn't even best valley voice, I will go. All right, Mark. Let's go. Okay. Then pause till the before we get the punch line. What do you call a fat? Okay. What do you call fat psych, an extra large extra large joke? No one what, what do you call a fat psychic? A four chin, teller, four chin, four chin. Teller. Fortune teller who were. All right. Martin. How did the stone propose how did the stonier propose high something with high in it? No buzz, no, Mark. How did the Stoner propose marriage? You wanna k- married. You wanna marriage? You wanna you wanna great beautiful Mark or next. What's the next do? Nikki nikki's. Mike is none. No oak. Okay. Great. All right. Mark continue. What does a baby computer call his father, MAC mop by megabyte, your close data processor data? Mark, what is the hardest of skydiving? What, what is the hardest part of skydiving falling? If you really think about it falling hardly. Jumping on the plane, the hardest part of skydiving falling not dying ground ground around. All right. Is there? Another word is the last one. There's a few here. Okay. This one's got Scott to read it all the way through. It's no punchline. It's okay. I told my girlfriend she drew her eyebrows onto high. She seems to pry. Okay. I like that one. I liked that Nobu on that one. Good. How'd you crazy? People go through the forest do crazy. People go through the forest. How tree by tree branching out. Crazy people know go this I go path. Hey, as a person that suffers from mental disappear. I find it now. Very brave. Why did the music teacher need ladder? Why did the music teacher need a ladder to climb notes to eighty? No. The booze for they're all bad jokes. It's an old joke. You'll know this one, what is worse than Greece on a Livia Newton, John, I know the. I don't know. Come on. I lean. You're more. This is from a listener. I believe did you hear about the constipated mathematician? Did you hear? About the. Thinking is so bad. Right. They even already wrote the boo after. So what is it? He worked it out with a pencil. My favorite one. And finally, what do you call an alligator in a vest? What do you call an alligator in a vest, a crocodile invested vest in vest, bent crocodile? I dunno and investigator. Yeah. Yeah. Right. They're good. Joe? And I tell you George favorite joke. Everybody with bras. What Mark knock knock juries? Who's there interrupting cow? I wanna take an Admiral. These stores. Hi, so I wanna give out a shout out to straight talker. Tighter for sending us all these goodies from. I think it's Mellon goats. Thank you so much for the goodies. We, we, we were in New York. 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So is okay who unbelievable? Hey, straight talkers. I've been listening to people leave a this. Oh, I've been listening episode one with the cold chicken fingers. I have a story this happened a year ago. It freaked me out partly because I wasn't sure if I believe goes, and I don't want experience any goes situation just not my thing. Remember this Ross used to be not as thing, but man, you didn't have any go stories and. Goes to me, too. All right. So I had a co worker who once said she would appear some way if she died. And so I'm still waiting for her to come back anyway. I'm sidetracked. Here we go with the story. I part of it is back story. My husband and I have been together for eight years now, and I met him during a period of time, but his mother's health was poor and going downhill, quite quickly. I met his mom only a few times before she wasn't able to really be present so long story short after a few months of our relationship his mom died from cancer. I know sorry, cut to five years, or so later there was an anniversary mass dedicated in her name at a convent my husband's aunt his older side of the family's very religious hashtag, godless. The nuns at the convent made various flavor jams. So to be nice. We bought a jar of jam. We got elderberry and love better than the young ones. Younger berry, by the way, there's berry berry blueberry, but elderberry just seemed interesting and we went about the rest of the day we put it away in the pantry. I had forgotten about the judge 'em tucked away until it was making our kids loans for school. They love peanut butter and jelly anyway. I notice the Jillian I thought, well, so and I was curious to try it nothing to write about. Okay. Anyway, here's when it gets a little crazy and weird. I pull out the jar of jam out of the pantry. And as I'm walking back to spot at the counter where making the lunches, I was thinking about my husband's mom, and how short of time I knew her and so very much wish that she was around to meet her identical twin grandkids, and that, that chilly morning, we got out her jam and we went to mass for her. And so as I put the jar down on counter like the millisecond that touches the counter I feel something like a hand on my left shoulder is if God. Is if there were someone walk walking up behind me to grab you to get your attention. Like, that's how hard it was almost Licko the jar and flinched back to turn because there was nobody else in the house of the my twins who were three years old at the time. There's no way it could have been them touching my shoulder. Plus I was walking back to the counter. And I didn't see anybody else there. I freaked out for a second all the and then I didn't feel scared at that time, but rather since if peace, so I think this was my husband's Mancini high and that she's washing her grandkids. Thanks for listening kiss kiss. Aaron. Mckee that's wonderful. Love these stories so much. Because first of all, we're getting to know our street talk family, and I remember when Ross really wanted really wanted an experience, and, you know, you're having tons of air and get some motivating your. Brought towels of flown of doors shut. Your fans turn off or other crystals around your neck. Crystal put it on there, and it, kicked it off pretty Ming I turned around and I just put it on the, the stone had been to, you know, when somebody's like they put stones and silver some rapid. Yeah. Okay. The stone was off in. It was the mullet which is like I don't like you get up it did she say at the beginning there, how long the grandmother had passed away and the story, I don't I just have always been curious. Because I know when my dad died, and when my grandfather died both not long after. Like literally, the moment my grandfather died, I had a chat. I told this story at a podcast before. But also, like I feel there's like a window before they fully go where they're going that when people die, they feel like they have unfinished business. So that's when they end up like saying, hey, we're still here. Don't worry about looking errands, that it was five years. So, yeah, interesting. Thanks for sharing Aaron and. If you have in keep believable. Nikki. How can they send it to you? Nikki be at straight talk with Ross dot com. The heavenly. Such a thrill. Here in the knee to be. Email. Be my Email who you can Email me, too. It's just Rossi street, talk with Ross dot com. My phone buzz. Well, visit comes from Alexis and Alexis has an issue who need need their help says love the show. Love your hair. Love that. You love water. I'm a drag Queen in Chicago and yesterday. I got a call that said, no caller ID. The first of many calls though, I didn't know at the time I wasn't doing anything so answered Hello. Can I eat your pussy? The caller. Reclined in a hush tone. I stayed on the line for a bit just to try to find out who this was from. But nothing but I to eat your pussy, I even told him. No, I don't have a pussy to, which replied will can I still cure? Props to him for not skinny, I guess it was creepy. And unsolicited, so I hung up and what about my day, but the guy called back again. And again, I tried getting info out of him. I tried messing with him by making him repeat everything a minimum of five times. I even pretended like I was having the call trace, I held the phone away for my mouth and ask. Nobody do you have the number. Okay. Need to keep it on the line? Okay. I thought it was so clever with the last tactic, but tactic, but he still kept calling in a period of twenty four hours. He's called me, twenty eight times, not to mention I think he called another Philo Chicago, drag Queen who tweeted about it, not so fun fact. Did you know that you can't block calls, say, no caller ID? I'm just trying to watch. Riverdale on my phone. Oh, so I ended up paying for monthly service that unblocks blocked numbers. I've Veronica Mars, the shit out of the situation and now I know the guy's name his phone number, and where he's calling from. So there's a partly a service, you can pay when a blog number calls you that none blocks the number Alexis continues. My question to you is Ross now that I know who he is his number, and where he lives, what revenge should I take. Oh, this little pill, CJ, stop calling Ross, you the Queen of phone prank. So I'd love your advice, kiss kiss, Alexis PS so excited bubbly branches coming to Chicago. Your host Lucy stools in American treasure cannot, we tend yes, much, much more on this go brench coming up, including on how you can get tickets. But that's hilarious. So, so this, this drag Queen has somebody calling all the time you're busy. So funny found out who it is. What do they do now without information, Mark, either you or get a friend, give them a taste of his own medicine? That's right. Block put your caller because you can change your phone. So it has no caller ID and start doing the same thing to him for with your number. Then he'll see a ringing and he'll freak though, if you just call him with your number. Oh, yeah. And he sees you calling that'll. That'll that'll never. He'll look at his phone because no color, ideals voicemail. If you see if he sees that number calling him. He's no longer a non. Right. And you can leave a message and just say, hi, Peter Smith or I made that name. It's me. You keep calling me. I know who you are. Don't call me anymore. Yeah. I was just thinking, give them a taste of their own medicine or actually, give this number to all your other drag Queen friends and say, eat your this is Lucy stool, right? That's getting the calls who's Lucy stool? That was a complete that's a whole thing. Do you know what I think you should go to Mark's? Dr. Lucy's still is hosting our Chicago brunch. This is the Alexis real quick. I don't think that I think she should have fun with it. I don't think she should call me that nice. I think she should call the she should call him be like pussy pussy plus fun with every day. Crazy put his whatever on bathroom wall. No. Because that is. You're no better than. Yeah. That's right. I think you can rise above it. You call just you calling him a freak them out. And if you need to have them, you, maybe it'd become friends, I say, texting a bunch of dick, pigs, are you all actually I think I think Ross is right? I think if you say, take the high road is a better view. So maybe tried that. But if that doesn't work, then go one eighty and give the number to all your drag Queen friends, and have them all call him saying, I wanna eat your busy, whatever it is more dick. Pic. Listen to Marta. Ring ring. Hello, would eat your pussy J, right? But I don't I don't have a secure dick. Thing about marks Admiral is now he jumps in forbids. Joining. I said something during the break. Diana has not experienced she's out of town. Right. So Diana has not experienced on Adderall yet. Fast active medicine that you could really feel the difference. Yeah, I I've started. I did. I don't know if I said this offer on air, but I started I did one till yesterday, and because she said you're going to have to find your dose, and then today because as much longer day, I did a pill in the morning 'cause I start working at, like, eight AM, and then I did another one in the afternoon. And it it's really 'cause you will know if you take too much, he's he'll start to shake. So she's like how hard you're gonna get fucked when she gets old so she's going to be like, who's this calm, debonair gentleman per minute. My husband, you know, because I've been talking, and everything and focusing on you guys. I didn't take down anything for a minute, Mark. So, but instead, may I make an announcement Marquis maze. So for those of you went fuck. I live on the west coast New York is far. I wanted to go to the drag brunch. And I wanted to go to the straight talk. Surfers. Listen to our will. Yeah because. Well, kind of because we are going or the podcast is going, and you wait. You don't even knew this. We're doing another life show. You don't know this is this is going to be the first time we have a drag bunches are taking place all over the country were announcing cities, very soon. We're about to announce a new city right now where we're doing a drag brunch and to kick off the first drug bunch. We are also going to be doing live podcast. And that city is Seattle, Washington. Ross is hometown. So I'm thinking we all go up a few days early. Go to mount Vernon. Right. And then do the show in a meeting a meet up in member. And if people want, and then do the live show. Donny. Labor Day weekend. So we're still working out the details for like how many podcasters we can afford to fly up based on ticket sales, and all that stuff? But it's going to be on Saturday. August thirty first for the podcast and then Sunday September first for the brunch and then Mondays Labor Day. So you it's the three day weekend, it's still Ross can attest to. That's when weather's nice up in Seattle at that time. Right. Yep. There could be surfers because there's true additionally, we want to announce we've sort of teased this, but we are the bubbly brunch, not so the podcast August thirtieth thirty first up in Seattle with the brunch. We're doing a brunch, bubbly brunch in Chicago. God and that starts onto. We are doing the Bakersfield brunch restarting that maybe once a month starting that July thirteenth, that's already sold out, so stay tuned for new dates. All right. So lots some more, and then those these once a month. Okay. So. I think the, the brunch may be coming back to Brooklyn to just so you know, shit. Okay. Everybody. We did it j rod, did you have anything quickly? I just we just have to because it's your good, or if you if you wanted sorry, Selena's walking all over me because she they're hungry. If you wanna follow Fags Malone fall hill him at Malone. You can also podcast gate gay gay gay podcast, and you can go book your appointment at automatic Penn writer dot com. And if you're in Burbank, this weekend, go see him eleven AM. Yes. Intel win eleven to Jill six till at crystal shrine on magnolia boulevard here in burping a Mark is at the monkey follow him. Thank you for being here. Always better ourselves. Thank you. Oh, by the way for the Chicago. Tickets are now on sale. So we'll put a link-up Ross bubbly and just please know on your it says it on it. But you have to. Purchase a separate ticket for the, the food part. So you buy a ticket for the show, and then it's a twenty dollar favorites. I don't. Okay. I don't like that because I think that they'll just by the brench when they get there. But that's how they wanna do it because the ticket anyway, I think they're trying. I think I will verify get info for food there. I don't know why they're having people. Buy them on. God bless what am I going to do on the air guys I had a whole phone call about it today? And they couldn't get it that way. So the way it is now is, if you'd like to pre you buy your ticket. And if you wanna prepay for your brunch, you can on the way. On the way. Brench when you get there, they're going to hate that. I say everyone hates always said this, but doesn't make any sense to me. But I do love food, so maybe I'd come out Marcus. Are you mad that I said that no, no I actually just emailed and the guy to verify that, that we can do that. So. You can't buy food. It's run, please. I know brunch Joshua. So mad j rod is Josh Rodriguez. And a Nikki Boyer is Nikki Boyer. Also medium? I'm Hello Ross. And the program is Hello Ross pod. Hope you've been watching presidential debates this week for the democratic candidates, and make sure next week that you tune in, we have a very special fourth of July special and we're playing a game with new American citizens star of unreal and the bitch ler drag race Jeffrey, Boyer chop, and who's also much for listening. I'm gonna go feed Selena and odd genus.

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Coronavirus Cases Are Going up, but Hazard Pay for Essential Employees Hasn't Come Back

Daily Coronavirus Update

08:07 min | 5 months ago

Coronavirus Cases Are Going up, but Hazard Pay for Essential Employees Hasn't Come Back

"Brought to you by. Ford ford is proud to support women who power america forward. Okay so are you down with roommates. As long as they do their dishes more than every three months. While we're la comedy group obama's daughters and on our podcast you down or discussing. What's going on in the culture. All things adults in little word. We all love t girl. You're such an adult. Yes we're fulfilling funny black girl podcast dreams every week. Thanks shonda land so come kiki with us enjoying the kinds of candid conversations. You only have with your girls. Listen on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. It's wednesday november twenty fifth. I'm oscar ramirez from the daily podcast in los angeles and this is reopening. America retailers are preparing for another surge of shoppers as we see rising cases of corona virus and in some areas new rounds of lockdowns all the while essential workers continue to go into work and put their health at risk hazard. Pay incentives that we saw at the beginning of the pandemic have not come back and some companies. Don't plan on bringing back. Michael corkery business reporter at the new york times jones for more on the lack of corona virus hazard pay. Thanks for joining us. Michael thanks for having me. Everybody remembers at the beginning of the pandemic. When there was a lot of lockdowns going on there was all of our essential people running the country. these essential employees a lot of them in retail in other sectors. They're getting hazard pay payback either hourly or bonuses kinda to thank them for still having to work and also to persuade them to keep going to work in a lot of people. Were calling out sick or just quitting jobs altogether because they were scared of what the coronavirus was doing out there. Well right now. We're seeing cases rise. We're seeing new lockdowns in some places. But these people aren't getting new hazard. Pay the aren't seeing pay bumps and it's calling into question a lot of companies who did it at the beginning you know when they're seeing huge profits right now in these quarterly earnings at their reporting so michael. Tell us a little bit more about what we're learning about this. It's a really different situation as you mentioned early in the pandemic for a couple reasons the first you know let's not forget these are companies and so i think do appreciate their workers and sacrifices some of these workers were making or early in the pandemic but early on in march and april. They also dealing with like a lot of absenteeism and workers. Were either getting sick or afraid of getting sick at family members that were getting sick and weren't showing up to work and there was also at that time very very generous unemployment benefits that was whenever says supplemental six hundred dollars a week so in order to incentivize people early on the company's needed to raise wages they needed to come up with these big bonuses fast forward to this latest deadly wave of the coronavirus and the situation has changed a lot. The unemployment benefits are gone. Congress has not voted to extend them the economy. There's still very high unemployment. And i think feeling although the companies would not this publicly but if you talk to economists and analysts they will say that they have the leverage now that employees even if they are afraid of coming to work they need to work. They need to go back to work. Because there isn't the same safety net that there was. They decided not to go to work as there was in march april and may so. That's a big change. And i think that's a big driver of why the very generous hazard pay and appreciation pair raises. That were offered early on are not being extended right now. And what are we seeing from. Some of the top companies amazon walmart kroger. They all had some form of this at the beginning. Some of them don't have plans to extend this so-called hazard pay or anything. What are we looking at some of these top companies. Yeah i mean those three that you just mentioned amazon for instance early on was gonna be two dollar an hour pay raises. That's really significant. When you're someone work you know making fifty dollars an hour to go up to seventy dollars an hour that makes a difference croker same thing plus program was giving cash bonuses on top of that walmer never raise wages they did give a series of three bonuses. I think if you average it out fulltime worker walmart you've got a bonus if nine hundred dollars total through all this as appreciation for your work during the pandemic but someone say none of that was enough and yes. It has not continued of those companies. When i spoke in the last week at any plans of extending those bonuses or pay raises in any appreciable way. That's the case. Go back up. Yeah i think some of the thinking about that too. Is you know if you extend pay temporarily. The expectations are going to be that. That's gonna be permanent. I mean that's kind of what happened when the hazard pay kind of went away the first time around but there have been a few bright spots. Companies like best buy home depot. Best buy specifically raised their hourly wage for employees. I think home depot was trying to do some weekly bonus type thing so there are companies that are still trying to provide that benefit or their employees and beyond that there's some other programs that businesses can apply for. There was a weird thing. I guess there was a few companies that said. Don't want to use it. you know. We're maybe two big savings for smaller businesses but even those companies have come back and tried to apply for grants for their employees as well. There are standard companies. You mentioned best buy they have raise their wages and home depot. So that's a permanent thing home depot. They've raised their wages. It's not clear how much their wages you're going to go up. It just said this last weekend earnings call how much it's gonna hurt worker too little unclear. How generous that will be. But home depot was giving out a weekly bonus all the way through until last week so they started in march and went all the way through so that was a good positive thing. They were doing for their workers. So there are some standouts. The thing that these companies have to contend with is that the puck blake and the shopping public. I think they have a new appreciation for the work. That really workers have done through this pandemic and continue to do. These are cashiers and stocking the shelves and never before they in any context and thought of is essential workers. But this time when the public realized that if these folks weren't showing up for work or couldn't show up for work then it would be a problem with getting food to put you know on your family's table. I think people have an appreciation for how vital these roles. And i think therefore there's a new appreciation that these workers should be paid more and i think that sort of mentality that bad to on the public support may start putting pressure on the company to raise pay. I definitely agree with that sentiment. And you know in the absence of action from congress with any more stimulus or even you know they're deadlocked right now. You know even plans for more stuff. It's just tough to see where that's going to go. So you're right. I do think that people are willing to at least put the pressure on companies or or suggests that they kind of go through on some of this stuff. But you know we'll see what happens and and hopefully we can get some relief to these people like you said the essential workers that we wouldn't get our stuff without them having to go to work every day. Michael corkery business reporter at the new york times. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you. I'm oscar ramirez and this has been reopening america. Don't forget that big news stories. You can check me out on the daily podcast every monday. Through friday us on iheartradio or wherever you podcast. We are back and black on the black effect network. Hey y'all boundary and my on the general street. 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Diggin' Records with Mister Phil // 25/01/21

The Face Radio

2:00:00 hr | 3 months ago

Diggin' Records with Mister Phil // 25/01/21

"From the so the brooklyn. You're listening to the face radio. Can you dig it and you dig done you. It's monday it's monday. It's monday it's monday. Welcome back to the record. Show mr phil here with you for the next two hours gonna play you my usual mix of genres because stay with me. Thanks to matt further amazing wilty as always going to start the show where finished last week within a heart and digital the mix of trolls rhythm Just because you jus- cossio blue. Don't go away share do sane. You say stone attrition hard. That's just massive attack. Of course and better things going to play you. One more track in this vein before we change up rob smith and like minded featuring alice pereira negative may Talk this Aw every week steal two tracks from other shows here on the face radio and this week. I've gone for follow your bliss which is brought to you by monday. Blue every wednesday six to eight. Pm eastern standard time. And i heard this cracker on that. Show the internet role. The bank funk took action off to took four. can't now church. I talk the digging records. Show ms lion paranoia. And i heard that track on gold afternoon with jeremiah. He casts tootle four pm every saturday afternoon. He ah on the face. Radio us eastern standard time is still here with digging record. Show gonna change up now. Here's a little bit of soul to soul true salt assault. What's going on. dr packer. Remix is phil here with the digging record show an ambulance play some funky cells to for the next section of the show sister sledge to come after we've heard from cheryl lynn what pop And one night school on the outskirts of frisco album the pace battered walls. And i ran at a guy out in krakow body shea was on it. That would make love his extreme as man. Curry clo- designers. She's this young. You heard the copycat retake of cheryl lynn's got to be real followed by sister sledge on the dimitri from paris remix of. He's the greatest dancer. Hope you're enjoying this funky disco stuff multiple before we change up. Is this empress and dying to be dancing. the loneliest. Honk rework the bill savage. I town photo brooklyn. You are listening to the face. Radio the digging record show and h dan. He's still here. And i'm gonna play some nolan sold in this section of the digging record show. We've got the salvador's and duke brown to come after. Eddie and ernie. I can't do it. Yup Don't you don't do. Yes gave among detail. Don't want with the owner out. Don't let back more not any stick around the salvador's and stick by me baby and before that duke and crying over you going to stick with the northern soul for awhile is for perfection. I'm not strong enough. Bring bird up office. Nor and girl on a g off tab richard popcorn wylie and rose. Marie gonna play to more northern soul songs before we change up. Genre is going to play susan barrett. And what's it going to be. But before that. Frank croker ton of dynamite. Tom took me couch out. Store britain first march talk said runs who Cookley listening to the face. Radio the dig records show Ooh you say you're rude boy. You also say you can't go to jail but you in glass also don't show stones do move taste took usa. You're listening to the big show with me. Fell an am getting into my usual selection of scar. You heard the babe brooks band and watermelon man and then prince pasta and don't throw stones appearing. Join the stuff i love. My sky is on here every week. Gonna play a lynn to end the comets. But firstly tommy mccook and don drummond occupation and An aside eight and and and A lynn twitter and the comets storm warning phil here with digging record show. Don't forget to come join me on the socials. Instagram facebook twitter be pa. The demon gang joining with what route to three musketeers cartoons to come just in heinz domino's alton ellis but firstly the mehta. I'll never grow old a allen Nine long no took not Operator from thank you. 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Wow that's fantastic as phil here on the record show. That was at boston hones. His another checkup played on previous shows. Cocaine on three burners cabs book it fat and pardon back don't and talk You're listening to the record show broadcasting from the soul of brooklyn on the face radio. Hope you're enjoying the change tonight. I'm gonna play a song that i played a few weeks ago by nick. Current a contemporary rock and roll choon playing on march to the great little richard. And i thought yeah. I'm gonna play again and i wanna play some old fifties rock and roll to go with it so here we go through so you know news. Iraqi wrong does that. We go again lot of people that come on egg to doing jesse. James is blue suede shoes now. We'll talk about. Hey dude greatest on coming up switches won't talk radio a look. Do donald girl away. now though. Home for me lab kudu. Laura did data Eddie cash and doing all right from nineteen fifty eight. I'm going to keep up with the fifties rock and roll for awhile. He's don red robbers one another name around. Come home to have some fun you know. They won so just under gloomy kuta around especially the do must come on. Baby does so we code excuse to could the win and only name come on the no job torches through kissed you group of employees overhead the place to go come on baby social so good College level a progress saami gallons and rocking by myself from nineteen fifty eight and before that from nineteen fifty seven don red robertson. Only one around this little section of rock and roll with hip hit baby by dennis herald party have on the only girl aiding if you really wanna love you gotta rock bottom bond an end and haven't hardy all did you wanna learn. You got iraq. We don't ever ever artie. Come alone powder. Hit baby by dennis herald one thousand nine hundred fifty eight going to bring it forward a bit now to nineteen ninety and manchester paris. Angels perfume face wrote victim roles. Aw aw the big record show. While ago by rows and it's a dot com were do love you bodies Spending time discharging. August took years ago about drowsy. Heads magic net when you. Let's go to school. Turn code from leeds in west yorkshire here in northern england and attract call magic recorded in one thousand nine hundred ninety one and before that recorded in one thousand nine hundred ninety perfume by paris. Angels over the hill in manchester. Okay we've got some live shows coming up tonight on the face radio straight after we've lost and found with thomas more than funky sixteen corners with larry grogan at eight pm eastern standard nine pm. We've got up the junction with the mighty matt price and then at eleven. We've got freelance fiends with adam. Shaper joey next week for the digging record show for pm. Eastern nine pm. Gmt here every monday on the face radio own. She is shot A suit she can also world she off cow. 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Real_Sports Awards and Special Guest Interview with Joe Schwartz

Real_Sports: A Snapchat Sports Pod

59:03 min | 1 year ago

Real_Sports Awards and Special Guest Interview with Joe Schwartz

"What's going on? We all sorts FAM- welcome to episode ten of the Real Sports podcast a snapchat sports pod tonight. We have a special edition of the Real Sports Awards and a fun interview with my close friend and D one superstar superstar superstar Joe Schwarz from the Texas longhorns basketball team. Let's get it football offers going to football fogle. What's going on everyone? I'm your host Jack Settlement from real underscore sports on snapchat a one million dollar sports snap accounts fallow if you haven't with me tonight for our special award show is his aim gran up my longtime best friend Abe how we feel. We're feeling good. This is going to be a good episode. I think the real winner in this episode is Joe Schwarz after this interview I think he might start getting calls from N._B._A.. Teams from D. League team or sorry G. Elite Teams D. League. If you're if you're old head if you're an old hand like myself <hes> let's go. Let's do it. Yes we like. We're talking to each other like what do even talk about tonight like this is the tonight after the All star. Break is historically the most dad night in all sports. There's not anything really going on. We got some Summer League Action W._N._B._A.. But there's really anything throw Las Vegas Aces Baby Benefactor in the W._n._B._A.. Resurrection the W._N._B._A.. As you know this is the Las Vegas Aces pod <hes>. I don't know why this is the Las Vegas as Pod so some good money on them but you got some good lines for future because apparently they formed the warriors of the W._n._B._A.. Though yeah I don't really know who their core is and then Liz Cambridge. She's a baller. I'm not waited was what Liz candidate but close out you know I was under the impression Russian their last name was Cambridge and she was somehow related to Calvin Cambridge from one of my favorite movies ever like Mike but yeah big Las Vegas Aces Fan. We got a little bit season laughed and then we're headed to the playoffs with a championship in mind and this future of mine on we'll hit championship her boss if the Ace's win their special giveaway for the real sports pod obviously but let's get into it I the real sports awards presented by Eben Jack. I category is so these by the way the categories and potential answers were given to me by chief content officer so as to have no biopsies here and I had to announce that because as I'm looking at the first category and the first option it's going to seem bias but player. You wish you could have played a video game with as we know the N._C.. Double A. Because of likeness cut N._C._W._a.. Football and N._C.. Double a basketball over the past five years so the options are Lamar <unk> Baby Goat Jackson the greatest player of all time are saquon Barkley Zion Williamson or real sports fan favorite Taco fall a the player. You wish you could play video game with a no no brainer no-brainer real sports fan. It's TACO fall. Could you imagine just like getting the ball in the post and like a double teams coming from like one of your friends and you're playing with him. He's like you thought and just put it over their head and just dunk it in like watching his strides go up and down the court. He is a special specimen of a human being just the way he looks would just be so awkward in a video game to the point where you could just draw probably forty and forty in a game especially if you play on rookie mode which which if you play with Taco fall you probably should because you can't really dominate a video game with big nowadays. It's just like it's kind of like the new N._B._A.. It's just fastbreak dunks and then fuck it a- just shoot a three and from forty feet and see what happens so I'm GonNa Taco Fall. I think that'd be a Lotta Fun given. Did you see him actually a couple. Was it two days ago or something last night yeah last night someone on the nuggets I forget who it was tried taking a charge on him. Maybe like inbetween the foul line in the hoop and I think they were in the fourth fourth row in the stands. It was unbelievable. You can just have that kind of dominance in a video game. It would drive your friend in your opponent crazy and you'd probably win. If you're one of my friends and you're throwing twenty bucks on the game you've probably be profitable about it and you can laugh in their face so Taco fall aw one hundred percent. I would love to play a video game with him. TACO is like you create a player and when you do that you make your guys tall as the game will let you he might like I think in N._B._A.. Two K. the Max you can make a guys like seven six and he might be seven on seven different. I would do in my my players making them like seven six like three fifty tacos. No wait on him but I guess so for me. It came down to two guys and it's only three left so yeah but I'm actually eliminating the baby goat Lamar just because everyone's played with a dual threat quarterback before which is a lot of fun <hes> but Saquon is reminiscent of Reggie Bush who was like known to be one of the most groundbreaking College Ajay Athletes Ever and most fun to play with Video Game But Zion is like that the the way they describe Zionism real life is like you created him yourself in for a video game so darned out window down to him but in in basketball games in in video games is allowed about shooting in Zion shooting sets when be up there so I'm GonNa go with saquon his ability to catch passes as well as run he you could put him in a kick and punt returner which would make him so much fun so I'm going to say on and you guys have other ideas for who you wish you could have played with a video game with <hes>. We're GONNA have it all on our s PA. We're going to have some voting. We're GONNA have some discussions up. Stay tuned for that on our. We're going to post on the on the instagram tomorrow and do me a favor and get creative in the comments like if there's some random guy that we didn't think of I want explanations people. Don't just write a name without any any content behind it. I need to know why you WanNa be this person. We yeah we need explanation. Unlike everyone's saying where Russia go like understand like the grizzlies will tell me why all right <hes> next category for the real sports awards is best rivalry in all of sports in sports history sports now take all those factors into account and the options are red SOx Yankees Ohio State Michigan Football U._N._C. Duke Basketball and Barcelona Real Madrid. We should have had a verse Jack on here but we'll let that slide for now. There's not arrive room. One side dominates it and don't you but anyway that's that's rivalry. I forget the I'M GONNA GO Yankees Red Sox baseball America's pastime pastime heavy heavy on the past the past well come on the balls or juice now. We're getting back into it KLOM but yeah it's it's. It's the American O._J.. It's baseball and they've given us so many great moments throughout the year. I may be wrong on this but I'm never been wrong somebody to go with it that this is the longest lasting rivalry in all of sports so clearly it is the best it's given us so many great moments everything from the air boom Aaron Boone Homerun in. I think it was a game seven of an Al L. C. S.. I remember crushed out to left field colon et AL whatever my personal favorites <hes> a couple of the fights when A. Rod got plunked in the side of the arm he's walking to first base Chirpin the pitcher and then he's Chirpin Jason Varitek and then all hell breaks loose. You just get a huge brawl like we all know. That's the best part of baseball like someone gets plunked. There's a little chirpin and boom benches or clearing <hes> there was another fight where I think it was Pedro Martinez through like throws the big fat bug. I know you know that ball guy is. It's a it's a Yankees bench coach who happened to be seventy two years old like your professional athlete and you're tossing these old man like that is clearly a sick rivalry. You got the the Schilling Bloody sock the coming the red sox coming back from three hour three one three yeah so Yankees Red Sox easy for me. They've given me entertainment in the fight. If given me the big moments in the actual game no-brainer so there's one the real answer is probably Barcelona Madrid but we threw that one on there this is America America yet for the euro but we have to respect the international fans we have about twelve percent of our listeners are from across the pond so we have to pay our respects and twelve percent. Tell your other lads over there overseas and let's get that twelve up to maybe a twentieth Nah. I don't mind that idea. This one's tough because I think U._N._C.. Duke is the more intense rivalry in like a very legit rivalry but they see each other twice a year sometimes three <hes> and they play like I don't know it's basketball. Versus like Ohio State Michigan like people in Ohio literally will not use the letter M. which is seems like the craziest of extremes to go. I know I hate the steelers to death but like I can't imagine writing without using a ladder. So in that writing in general it in that sense I'm going Ohio State Michigan. I grew up in Michigan Fan. My mom went there. My aunt went there. I want to the game last year but I like a decade ago and I'm like in years nine years old at the time and it's a Terrell Pryor team they're headed into the big house huge game <hes> and I print out this Abe by eleven little photo and it instead it's a picture of Terrell Pryor and I write catch in Terrell cryer like literally delay missing in the world at our main my I'm in my blue and maize walking around the stadium. We the sorry let me interrupt yeah home as thing dude. It's yellow. It's the same thing with Texas. My school burnt orange like you just have orange in it so anyways. I'm walking around. I'm nine at the time. A Michigan had just gotten shell but I'm you know full out to route cryer. I'm crying crying crying face and there's these grown adults who are literally making fun of Me Picking on me and not disabled other rivalries like New Yorkers aren't brutal but if you can you can pick on a ten year old or nine year old who just lost by three touchdowns touchdowns <hes> that's a serious rivalry and especially shoutouts steelers ravens. 'cause I come great rabbi. I'm if I'm forty something years old <hes> I'm going with my kid doing eagles cowboys game and won and won eleven year old cowboys fan looks at the wrong way. It's onsite right there. I don't care how old you come to a rivalry game. Be Prepared to take whatever comes your way yeah. We'll have to get into our craziest stadium experiences because I had weird one at the colts <unk> Lonzo but all right moving on to the next category the best team from this past year so this is a category pulled from the espy's options. They're all champions as I believe they should be. We tried to think of non champions but they're all champs Clemson for by U._V._A.. Basketball Patriots Role Champs Raptors <hes> Red Sox blues and then the U._S. Women's soccer team who just won the their fourth World Cup. WHO's your pick? I'M GONNA go Clemson here mostly because I didn't really I'm not definitely not picking the rafters U._S.. Women all hats off to you back to back World Cups four of the eight total women's World Cups uh-huh but Clemson was just a powerhouse all year in the hardest conference in football on there and the AD. They're always playing Alabama so I just think it's like they're in the S._e._C.. But they were just dominant throughout they lose once this year they absolutely steamroll Miami in the semi final and Notre Dame should wrong thing notre dame and and then they went into the national national championship game and all the hype was around to an Alabama and how this might be the best Alabama team yet and they embarrassed them and won the national title and I liked travel orange his hair. He's got a sunshine resemblance uh-huh and best team of the year yeah. I think that I I'm on board with Clemson. I think the way they're just determined this is in question like how you WanNa look at. It and I think it's who was the most dominant within their league over the course of the year including the champions or you could say the most success that was unwarranted like the blues were last raised halfway through the new N._H._l.. But not much of a hockey guy myself to steer clear of that. I think that I think that now there I that was on I agree. I think it's constant but now that I'm thinking about it. It might be the raptors because of the durant injury it makes it tough but the raptors were that team who just broke another diet like I broke another dynasty which could could make them the best team U._V._A.. Out of their own dynasty by getting hurt but continue but U._V._A.. They weren't crazy dominant. They are really good team but they couldn't beat Duke this year <hes> the Patriots and they played Eric Orange style yeah and the super bowl was so boring. I can't give the Patriots so I'm GonNa go clemson but I could see a lot of arguments for the raptors and obviously the U._S.. Women were unbelievable so shouts to them 'cause you lose will get blues had a great year because for the eighty eight percent of listeners who are from America Go U._S.. And Suck it best game of the year options are were heavy <hes> championship football championship level football here but raptor sixers game seven I think by chief content officer through that Embryo Virginia Purdue Elite aac game which was special then you have the F. C.. Championship Chiefs Patriots Goes O._T.. Not N._F._C. Championship Saints Rams gets disrupted by pass interference non call and my pick. I'm going to start on this. One chiefs rams Monday night football fifty four fifty one. Let me tell you this. This game was like it was electric. I think I was in my living room watching just like standing up just watching a regular simple bugging it was the two best teams in the game. At the time it was non-stop scoring it was clearly a game of madden but with like there was <unk> defensive touchdowns literally everything you could want outside of it being a playoff game so that's my pick chiefs rams money. I football fifty four fifty one. What a game pro that was that was when I was in my when I first started working everything thing and I was in Mike? My I have to go to bed really early like nine o'clock and I want to sleep yeah. I wanted to sleep at halftime but I'm GonNa tell I'm going to but like when I tell my kids about it. I'M GONNA be like yeah. This was the sickest game ever. I watched the whole thing. I didn't sleep that night so my kids will never listen to this but the bell the year before you get into a tell the pod about the new job that's going to allow you to at least stay up later because we need to announce exciting living life accomplishments. Oh yeah well real sports fan. I have recently quit my job in corporate America. Don't be afraid to do so once the time comes I know you're all relatively young and I will be starting getting a new job at a sports gambling company that provides lines and odds to casinos and bookmakers in Europe and now they're opening their first office in the U._S.. So my job will be essentially to watch sports so that should make for some better content on the pod but some exclusive neshat outcome candidate shows Marcus Camby Shadow markets market breath game of the year and by Best I mean worst was the the raptors sixers game seven. I remembered obviously but like was the was the full game really exciting or was it just like the final six minutes okay well. I kind of blacked out the entire game because like you all know I'm a huge the sixers fan I was like so this was on mother's Day. I remember like I made my mom change her mother's Day dinner plans so and she was very she understood and I love her for that shout to my mom and I get back in time and watch it on my roommate in here and we're just on hands and knees the entire time and it was back and forth throughout like even in the fourth quarter when it was just cau I midrange and being the posed J._J.. Mesa crazy eighty three was a game of runs and then like. I really thought we were GONNA win. When Jimmy Butler steals the inbound like with like two minutes left he's jumping on Anglo? I'm like this is it. This is it this is it and then that God damn robot i. I think we all can agree that was like the top sports moment or at least in the N._B._A.. Of the year when you hit that shot <hes> too bad you'll never get that ever again Toronto. Don't work that made because you're pissed. I mean they're the ones that's what's would the disrespect Rana we have six percent of our non kidding but we're honored Arana's a good spot what did you do you remember Virginia Purdue Alita. <hes> I think that was that was that was crazy. Game Carson Edwards was just pulling up from guards lane. The white kid was pulling away and then and then the fresh it yeah he's the hunter at game-tying shot or something yet the buzzer it was nutty. It was it was Andy. That's an honorable do Tennessee elite are sweet sixteen justice crazy. That was a great game all right final category from the real sports awards best retired athlete from the past year. Hey give for however you want it. This question. They may have to have retired like just like is visit at the actual best players the player. You'd like the most whatever <hes> Dwyane Wade Dirk Nowitzki Ichiro were grunk on you. Go ahead first with US one hoof. This is a tough lip. Wait a second wait. Grab counted tired. Why do we think he's retired well? He he's currently retired so we're counting it. I I know he was starring passes Brady like literally yesterday worst. You'd be retired. Have you seen. In a picture of him he looks got off. Look all muscle mass yeah. He's what do you think he's doing. He's just partying crushes. He's worth millions has multiples. Role Rings has a very beautiful girlfriend. I I wouldn't be putting my brain in risk at that point yet to your PEC guide each rose such a legend and he's like the Man D. Wade obviously top three shooting guard of all time <hes> but I'm going Dirk because he defeated fielded Lebron James Single Hanley in an N._B._A.. Finals he is route show Jason Terry Stop Jason Terry did he did play Nice violence but dirk was the man he had game winning shots in that finals. He's one of the greatest greatest scores of all time is he. The Greatest European basketball player of all time I think so right <hes> I mean until Luke until Luka finish his career. Probably I guess it's him or Frank Ntilikina this point but I'm going dirk. WHO's your I? I like the dark. I was hoping you didn't pick delayed because I actually like I lost a lot of respect for like he made the whole m._b._a.. Season about him and it pissed me off so much with these Jersey swamps and everything this I hate the retirement tour more than anything like Dirk. Did it the right way. He didn't tell anyone who's retiring just went about his business and did it the right way so I'm glad you chose dark over delayed while the rest of the options each row grunk each Iraqi. I'M NOT GONNA go with any of those options. Actually the correct answer for this question is marshawn Lynch. Marshawn Lynch is one of my favorite football players of all time he just recently retired. He's has given us so many great moments like he was rejected in a chiefs raiders game in like twenty seventeen and then he left the game and then they flash to him in like a hood mask literally watching the game in the stands on a Thursday night football game and Marylanders anything to him Clark Yeah the Gulf Martin Yeah you have the classic him eating skittles on the sideline the beast mode rhyme where and Charlie bleeped us out where he was like Holman and I think everyone remembers where they were for that game. I was Oh shoot. I said that I was I was in your basement. We Watch that game in your basement together yeah. I think that was a year. The Eagles didn't make the playoffs playoffs in the Ravens did and then we watch like the ravens game or something there but I remember being in your basement for that game and then the infamous when he went to the Super Bowl too. I'm just here so I won't get fined like marshawn. Lynch is an absolute go. He was obese on the field. Also oh so marshawn Lynch. We're GONNA miss you. Feel free to come back with your anteks. Actually you know what we should replace Jason Witten on Monday night football with marshawn Lynch. Oh my God that would be legendary. Bush game play of his career is not getting the ball on the goalline actually yeah but like out of all the beasts quake against the saints in the was unbelievable. The the final thing is well two things one lynch in comparison to like career milestones statistics. You have like D. Wade two time N._B._A.. Finals champion or three time Champ Finals M._v._p.. Dirk Finals M._v._p.. Each route like the most hits for whatever gronk one of the greatest titans ever lynch like a very good running back but Lynch 'cause you know how they feel about drafting running backs high. I said the giants even though saquon generational talent town they shouldn't take him 'cause you can't do anything with the star running back. He is my warn guy. I always pull out the stat in the past decade. There's only been one team that a top five running back to win the Super Bowl and that is lynched the year they what it so. It couldn't go to call you out in front of a Real Sports Fan Marshall Richmond twelve are shown Lynch went twelfth all right sorry top-five running back by stats all. I thought your nurse Semi my point. Is that like you actually don't need like running back by committee works just as well. The Patriots won like five doing the eagles same deal with your your boy la- Garrett <unk> J. Jaggi in court <unk> touchdown he was he was undrafted. Rookie point is don't draft Ernie Max Hi that wraps up the real sports awards. Thank you guys for listening definitely go check out our pod add on instagram. We'll have some fun fun debates and we want to hear your opinion so we're really yeah get creative with these responses. I WanNa have some good banter before we head into our special first time interview Joe Schwarz just a special mansion to Harry's Harry's is great great for shaving. They have unbelievable trials for you. Guys Terry's DOT COM backslash blue. Just check it out like honestly I started shaving last year I tried Harry's pretty legit Scott Oven and and blue wire are has some nice stuff so they have good deals so check out Harrys Dot Com backslash blue now. Let's get to the interview now. Introducing the unreal sports podcast first career guests a six three shooting guard from the University of Texas Joe Schwarz Gel the real sports fan the Oggi's are they know you best because as I highlighted your stored senior season <hes> when we started the real sports page but let's let's. Let's teach the people a little about Joe so in your career you appeared in eight games you average point five points per game point one rebounds point one assists sixteen point seven percent from the field but in your freshman year you were the highest career shoot you the highest career shooting percentage in the history of D. One athletics from three. You're one for one from three and in your freshman season you had twice the player Efficiency Rating of Zion Williamson so <hes>. Why did you continue to play after your freshman near like what you didn't want to retire? I mean some people told me it was probably time to hang it up after after that one for one season one hundred percent and maybe should listen but I mean the efficiency rating is what is what sports is all about and you've got. You've got better stats than I do so I can't knock you for that but for the Real Sports Sam that doesn't really know about Joe. Joe Was a walk on at the University of Texas so joe for for our for our listeners who are aspiring college athletes. Do you mind just sharing with them. Your experience the decision process deciding to walk on and maybe some challenges you faced and how you were able to overcome those challenges in Actually Ashley Enjoy Your College Your College career as well as being a college athlete as a walk on definitely definitely so first off. I do have to give a shout out to the real sports fan because as Jack mentioned he did highlight my a senior season everything from warm-up shots to traveling Joe Couple Games on the road <hes> that trip to Lawrence Kansas was pretty crazy that once never wanted Allen fieldhouse but <hes> when you've got one of your did you be Kansas in your career beat. We beat Kansas one time in my career freshmen near what I freshman year and didn't get into that game design no and so actually no we did not be Kansas Kansas Uber Right now that I think about it we did not because this year when we beat them at home I was talking to a few of the guys I was like. Wow y'all got to do something that I didn't get to do which hoping in the next few years <hes> the ceiling feeling is is going to get a little bit higher and we're GonNA follow in the footsteps of the football team which is on pace. I think to win a national championship next year but <hes> that's correct where we're starting. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA START N._C._A._A.. Tournament in <hes> make little run but yeah so the walk on stories kind of interesting and very humbling for me because I came from a small private school in Waco which is the home of Baylor and <hes> in high school. I was the best player in my high school team and my graduating class had twenty six blacks weird flex Joe but can you yeah I. It's just it's one of those things where I would I didn't have I didn't have any <hes> any real guys to pick from. It wasn't one of the things we have to try out for your varsity team. Every year like we just didn't have the numbers like that and so in high school my sophomore junior senior junior year <hes> as I was getting older I started to focus more on basketball and towards the middle of my senior year as when I really became interested in the walk on process and that's when got in touch with coach Barnes but a little bit of historical background when my mom was an Alabama in the eighties as a student coach Barnes as the assistant coach at Alabama and my mom actually works in their basketball office. So how closely did they work. Work together because I've heard rumors yeah no they they. They were closed in my my mom did a lot of hard work in Alabama but <hes> it was never I can't say never a place I wanted to go. I just <hes> Texas. There's always dream school and then <hes> throughout my senior year was in contact with the coaches and then the summer after my senior year of high school so going into my freshman year that's when that's when the challenge is really started on and off the court <hes> when you get introduced to a kid named Jack Settlement on of course <hes> and you find out that he's going to be one of your best friends for the next four years but you also find out that you have a six and work out the next morning. It's Kinda tough to to balance those and so that summer was really challenging meeting a bunch of New People from out of state and like I said coming from a small private school had never been around that many people <hes> <hes> Waco's a really small city and I had my select group of friends and you're going into an ocean as a small fish at the University of Texas in meeting kids from out of state <hes> and basketball wise the competition Asian was better than anything I'd ever played against and so it's tough trying to to find that balance but I'd honestly say being able to be friends with guys who were not involved in athletics Texas his end having friends that were involved in athletics especially guys on the basketball team that summer that kind of helped me stay sane it. It didn't make me poor all my eggs in one basket whereas all basketball Canada social life but it was also like I can't have a crazy busy social life and still play basketball so the thing that was also challenging was for me. I had nothing guaranteed going into it. They told me that there may not be a spot available on the team immediately in by my sophomore year <hes> that may be the first time that I really put a Jersey on and <hes> so I I stayed patient and persistent in I kept showing up to work outs. I just kept putting the work in head down and luckily a few things went my way. <hes> we had a couple of players. Leave the team shoutout demarcus croker. I'm all right. Oh my gosh and I actually I was. I was at dinner tonight with with Connor Lambert <hes> nets and connors one of my good friends and we you're talking and I said I said I will always have a special place in my heart for Demarcus croker because had he had he not made the decision to go move back closer to home to Murray State <hes> I would not have had the opportunity to probably be on the team and <hes> the one thing that I love about demarcus is that night the first night that he told coach that he was transferring. We had a game and that was the first game that I played in against Lipscomb and Demarcus at texted me after shootaround 'cause he didn't come to shoot around obviously as Lisa I'm going to be at the game and so sitting front row with some of the people on our basketball stout the office staff I check into the game I hit my three camera pans to the bench miles and Isaiah to my best friends a jump up and then they they pan the camera right to demarcus and he's just hooting and hollering jumping up and down and from teammate perspective from a friend perspective. He's he's a special guy and <hes> like I said someone that's always going to have a special place in my my heart and he really opened the door for a lot of opportunities at Texas. Yeah I remember like you didn't even have Union Giger number your official Jersey until was it later in the season or Zoff or a year later in the season. You probably were a little confused because the shooting top didn't come off after that that three pointer one in so no one really got to see the Jersey which Schwartz on the back but it's funny because the announcers that game they they said and I think I'm quoting it the right way. They said that he had the Blood Jersey on so in case someone gets hurt New Jersey and they can't get it off. There's just an extra Jersey number forty one and <hes> so the question is you're Kinda like Kobe in Jordan in a sense like number forty one Joe Schwarz taxes is like the Greatest D. One basketball player ever so right but then number twenty five has all the experience so which which is the better version forty one or twenty five. That's a tough question. I think if we're just talking I mean statistically I think you have to go with forty more than the stats and the numbers don't lie don't lie though Oh so forty-one would would be the one I would go with but I I have to say for being a six three private school shooting going coming from a decently decently Athletic Family Dad Played College Ball. Mom Played Sports in high school and I mean brother was all intermural Morterero. I mean this kid. I think I have a lot of Texas year. Just all the Dr Fits in Suffolk get. That kid has more intermural championships than anyone. I know it's a volley water volleyball sand volleyball softball flag football. I mean this kid was I actually lived with him. <hes> his senior year my junior year in four nights a week this kid so I got real this intermural that I thirty tonight and I'm like thirty what receiving yards of points I mean I couldn't keep up with the sports. He was flying but <hes> no. I think that <hes> the experiences that I had <hes> with with twenty five were you can't beat them. You're talking China a trip to the Bahamas a trip to Australia a trip to Portland up to Nike's campus to play in an incredible tournament with the top Nike schools and <hes> had some ups and downs along the way but we can get into those on a little bit. I was GONNA ask we'll one of the things you mentioned was that you know. One of the things we never got to accomplish was us in a win a tournament game and I don't need to but I have to mention that the two tournament games we lost while you're there were like the most excruciating games ever but what was your favorite game because we did have a lot of really really a fund wins. Mine was the second half run against Oklahoma Buddy healed. It was like eighteen o run and I've never heard the stadium so loud. What was your favorite i? I I mean what the fans need to realize. In the Oji real sports fan they know that as soon as those gates open doors open settlement was the first one in the stand like most of the time he was there before I I even came out of the locker room because he had to be courtside so he could shoving what shoes a hat on. I mean he had the camera ready but I think that that game the buddy healed game. I and I remember vividly. It was <hes> <hes> we we might have been losing halftime but that second half you're right we went on it was an eighteen run and then we ended the game. The final is a twenty five to run like the last five minutes of the game and that place was absolutely electric and and it's just the one thing about the Erwin Center is it's very very big and very rarely does it sell out but when it does that place gets loud and so that game I'd say one of my other favorites in most unique week is probably the North Carolina game and people said the other day if they know Texas basketball I mean we went on a buzzer beater against the number four team in the country at the time but what people might not know is that morning I think six total players here's had final exams including three starters and Devan have one John did know what happened. Oh we we know what happened but that's I mean he had a game to play in. You know we were folks on but but what's so special about that is he and Isaiah and demarcus and kindle. I think like none of those guys went to shoot around in the morning because they had to take their final exam and so for me I had a final exam that day in the four o'clock game my finals from one to four and being the all academic Provost Award Academic All American I am <hes> I had to do on that final and that was a rough semester for me because we went to China for eight days eight school days <hes> and then two days after you back from China there's a weekend and then we leave for the Bahamas so missed quite a bit of school that semester so needless to say that final exam carried a lot of weight for me so it was one of those where I really had to to buckle down and so I went and took my final exam emission around in the morning and one of my buddies was actually waiting in his car outside my exam and we drove to the Erwin Center and there were no parking spots left a sell out for North Carolina kid parks on the curb on the cement median and leave my car. Are there and we run on the tunnel. It felt like the scene from like Mike when all the guys are on the scooters and he's like well. I don't have a ticket for the game and I was like let's go. We're just going to the tunnel. I took my final exam in my uniform not that I was GONNA play that. Be ready just in case I had my my Columbia Levin's customized with burnt Orange Longhorn my initials I mean everything looked good but now now we got a game to play and <hes> for us to come out and execute the game plan how we did without having shoot arounds in scouting and all that because of the academic schedule that was pretty impressive I mean anytime you want a game on a buzzer beater. One that's kind of underappreciated appreciate it also because of the outcome of our season was the Andrew Jones Buzzer Beater Against O._U.. And everything that happened with Andrew that season overcoming that was the season season before but this was this was coming off a season. This is in the middle of the season where we were eleven and twenty two I believe and it was a game that the last two minutes we turn the ball over six times and we're missing layups given them open layups. I think we're up by like five or six and they ended up taking the lead they miss a free. Throw and Andrew goes down in these kind of just stalling but there's not much time left and he gives us guide decent crossover and just heaves one up and I remember dillon grabbing my arm because Dylan was read starting at the time Oh Sikorsky and he grabs my arm and when that shot went in I've never felt someone squeeze an arm. Did I mean I thought I was GONNA lose my arm art. I thought he was trying to amputate it but <hes> that was that was pretty special to see and then one of the most emotional games I would say northern out of that yeah well out. I was GONNA say outside of the half court shot to northern Iowa because I think that was for the for the really don't know in what was at twenty sixteen in the opening round northern I will beat Texas on what a three quarter court little little bit behind half court and he banked it in and this what's so devastating about that game is that we were the very very last game to be played of the first to like the first and second day of the tournament so we had seen the R._J.. Hunters <hes> three pointer that he had made we had seen a couple other Buzzer beaters on T._v.. And you're like oh well we got a chance and we were down in that game and then we went up we are bigger in the first half and we went down and Isaiah hits the floater to tie it and we're like if it goes into overtime we've got <unk> foul trouble and Jespersen. That kid catches at one dribble Kinda EUROSTEP and banks. I I knew like right when he's not going to end well now but like I was selling ahead the one that was very emotional and we'll probably touch on a little bit <hes> was so after Andrew was diagnosed with leukemia the next game. We're playing T._C._U.. On a big Monday so we find out on Sunday night the Andrews diagnosed with leukemia and he's obviously not going to be with the team for the rest of the season. He's going to be in Houston getting treatment very emotional night the night before the game and then obviously on Game Day. Everyone's wondering how the how the heck can we focus on Ashbal when one of our teammates is fighting for his wife and <hes> we play in a double overtime that game were missing two starters plus Andrew and the Point Guard for T._C._U.. Goes Coast to coast and has as a finished at the rim that you may block to ninety God block the shot and just seeing I mean it's my it's my computer background now. <hes> just seeing the joy after that game in the emotion I mean I've never seen Moore players coaches crying after a win that we did that night because up until the game no one was focused on basketball imagine I guess what fifty minutes double overtime game like it was it was really special allows and finally the last thing I'll add is that one more with so many Oklahoma moments but there's another one because last year trae young Game Day comes we beat a year and then two years ago two years ago I was considering this year. Whatever the Mogambo dunk that just set the crowd literally ablaze so have great moments against speaking Mogambo Ombu this Jack that was a good segue into this question Joe? You've played with a lot of guys mostly bigs who are now making a name for themselves in the N._B._A.. Most notably miles turner a few years back Mugomba Jackson Hayes and Jared Allen who who who did you who was the guy that you saw play right away during practice during a shoot around where you're like holy crap this guy's is the real deal like if you were to pick one out of the four them obviously they're all unbelievable talents but which one of those four really stuck out to you like this kid has special oh man that's tough because as similar as all of them are they. They've all got different things that they're really good at and before before I decide on the four one thing I will say is when I was in high school. I played a little bit of every one two three and four generally play the five much much but it taught me very quickly playing with these guys that you're not allowed to go in the paint and try and shoot away up because the ball will end up in the bleachers everyone time and I mean I remember freshman year. I tried to go up reverse layup on miles and we were practicing down in the Erwin Center and not on a practice court and he blocked it in the third row. Coach Barnes just looks at me and goes if sorry I wouldn't do that again. Straight base and just stow like no emotion at all just looks at me calm voices if are Yo- would never do that again. I mean we're we're a pockets of takes and if the four of them here this podcast they've got to hear your choice. WHO's it get a bit? Who was that one special guy right away right Dan? I it's a tough one side. GOTTA FIT I. I'm struggling because I don't WanNa make anyone mad but I I think miles how which which is very interesting and I'm GonNa Touch on on my decision on picking him and I was always into Hoop Knicks eight balls life and I had seen in all miles highlights and the reason that I'm picking him is because he was the first of the four that I got to play with and see play and for me coming from a small private school seeing a kid like that on on a big stage was very impressive. Now I knew from the second from Jackson Haze from the visit when he came to campus 'cause I was a senior when he was a senior in high school when he came on his visit and we watched him workout workout and he practice with the team like I knew that had some special because you can't teach a kid how to catch a ball at an age at eighteen nineteen years old you gotta learn that either have it or you don't and his hands are incredible. He's probably got one of the fastest second jumps and highest second jumps out of any big that I've ever played against and there's a I mean he's talking about someone like jared who's explosiveness. His touch jared's touch around the rim. I mean it's like watching guys from back in the seventies and eighties footwork's incredible incredible and then you see someone like Mos just a freak the one of the longest guys I've played against like all special talent and <hes> I think I was so it was like I o obviously you saw exactly exactly. I was just starstruck by I've got a follow up question to that. You mentioned Mo- lest. How much do you hate the song Mogambo now being played a lot well? It's funny because before the the song even in came out we were listening to it on A. I'm pretty sure it was like a text from Shek what like an M._p.. Three file from Shek no like I wrote this song about you. We're like blaring in the weight room and I mean very catchy and not like very quickly but yeah it took a while but but like it got to a point where even he would stop answering facetime calls. I would face on every time. The song came on when I was listening to it whether it's in the car at a bar or anything like that whenever the song came on face I'm him and he's like all right. This is this has stop and now it's kind of the point where I was like this has Assad like if he started people face on they might just be me. I mean you never answered my face on anymore but big term I know he's he's Hollywood now but he's really Orlando which I put on twenty pounds of muscle this off season did he really we'll see Marquel might be a lethal duo down there. Yeah I mean that's that's the other thing about these kids. They come in their kids their kids they're little babies and seeing seeing them develop. I mean what miles has done in the N._B._A.. Compared to what he did in college is Scary Jackson has done. I mean Jackson's junior year of high school. I don't even think he was starting a new one point game and the kid went for. Twenty eight last night I didn't see his final stat line tonight because I was driving but <hes> he played really well tonight <unk> a little bit of the game to see what jared stunned like. I think jared an miles both got votes on defensive player of the year this year which is incredible for P._J.. Did Not have been yet discussions absolutely crazy but that's that's all I mean Jarrett Jarrett has that signature moment this year of stuff and Lebron at the Rim exactly speaking of I'll go house loom Lebron yeah <hes> Yep speaking of all these N._B._A.. Players Jack Naira Fan on this podcast of giving ourselves N._B._A.. Player comparisons who would most resemble in terms of style play on the court now from what I've gathered from your wikipedia you being boys Jack Our conversations. You're you're a little bit of a sharpshooter. I mean you're one hundred percent. <hes> three point percentage at the end of your freshman year decided to come back and ruin it. That's a different story but who would you. Who would you give your M._B._A.? Player comparison and just so you know for contacts. I gave myself Russell Westbrook so don't be shy I gave Jack Lonzo. Who'd I give myself like camp as is more dream on all over the place? Yeah boy do a little bit of everything so I just touch on a bunch of players. But who would you compare yourself to in the N._B._A.. In terms of style apply are we talking current players or hey shoot for the stars. Whatever do you want I mean I'd have to compare myself to M._J.? Oh my God but now it's tone it down and now now now don't you for the star shoot for the clowns up M._J.'s freshman near era shoot for the clouds well. There's I like Goran Dragic game. Okay I mean that's that's a reasonable comparison paerson attack. The rim like that might have been that kind of guy see. That's the only reason I'm kind of not as much like him but I used to be a decent slasher. I another guy that I mean I could compare to because I can shoot what the best one is Ray Allen. This is amazing. This is the content we need quick release. I mean everyone remembers that shot that he hit Miami. He didn't even look down. I don't have to look at that. It doesn't matter I walk in the gym and get buckets like I feel myself like I could be wearing flip flops. I could be wearing baseball cleats on wood floor checkup. Let's go out shoot anyone tamie mentality and on a Fraternity Court Basketball Court as Jack. I know he's what the well the funny story that I was actually about to get into the perfect segues we went on little scavenger. Hunt are fresher Rushmere Mayo in our crew <hes> and I beat you Wanna one even though you're in San hose just had to throw it out there <hes> and deny jeans onto but a window Lynn but I was GonNa say is one of my greatest memories from college. which is that night we broke into the Baylor football same the night after they won the big twelve championship we walk out of the state like real early playing football on the field because there was a chain link missing in the fence that we could sneak in and then one of our friends ends crashes a golf cart into the security and then on the way out the cops like show up in like? Were you guys doing. We're like Oh we're just walking around the stadium and <hes> I like pretty much. Tell the worst lie eyebrows year where here last night <hes> but I just wanted to see the stadium for the first time and at that point the cop these frigging idiots were just in the stadium or they didn't have any proof but do you have one last <hes> <hes>. Do you have any story that can top that from your your years on the team that are that are P._g.. Thirteen of course don't be scared over here is our is our audience thirteen enough while I'm getting old. That night was a lot of fun yeah that was. I said that was a fun night. <hes> let's see I might need a second. Let's while you think about it. Another number changed thirty five to seven. Why did Katie not come to my next like what's go with that route doing this again Jack? We're not doing this again. We are an abomination which every live with it take Marcus Morris I at least he's choosing the next he can settle the <hes> the argument. We have a bet Joe Avenue I have I said when Katie comes back his first full season will average twenty seven again. Do you think I'll come back to his full for him. I think he's that elite. I think he'll I if I had to take an over under on twenty seven. I take the over thank you twenty six and a half is reasonable joe okay well. I would take the I mean. You're the public in the public always loses the past. If you statistically the past three years I guys the best player on the planet you can Lebron is incredible. Don't get me wrong but the way Kevin had played the past three years is about as elite as it can get can score <unk> over anyone and when he want any night that he wants outside of Harden Guy he harding and get fifty or sixty when he wants he will take fifty or sixty shots but the emmy westbrook will trying fifty or sixty. He's GonNa shoot sixty shots myriad speaking the only flying speaking of Katie posted on my personal instagram special guests interview for taste pod to picture of you in the fellows on the team most notably mowing K. D.. I've got a lot of people that think that Katie's coming on the pod and hopefully maybe one day he will how many how many times have you met Katie I have met a let's see <hes> probably six or seven. Does he know your name all right I I actually I know you've met durant seven times but I know I have the best durant story out of we we met Kevin Durant because of an organization yeah man and one of my friends grew up in Oklahoma City and he literally said it was like his mother and Kevin Durant raised him like you didn't care about his father and he got to meet Kevin and he will take a picture and he starts peeing himself. He got so nervous. Oh my Lord so your name Antionette question now so it's funny you ask because the first time that I met him were on the rose but it's he knows who I am so okay so I'll meet them at Oklahoma state while he was still playing in Oklahoma City next year comes back or at a football game and a and and it was our alumni weekend so he had come and play pickup with us <hes> and he asked me up and he goes. Hey you're the white frat boy average erupts in like like he's now. I think honestly if I if I see him. He would probably know my name if I told him I said I played at Texas in he would say yeah. You're joe like there's a a cool video I have <hes> and it was from one of his boardroom episodes. I think when he's touring our facility and and he adopts me up and it's in slow motion it's it's incredible. I'm actually GONNA send it to you now but <hes> it is. That's probably one of my favorite moments was getting adapt up Gedeon than being on the E._S._p._N.. <hes> I don't think the listeners will be the ones that saw my hi insurance story <hes> The way this interview is gone. You've been great. I don't think there'll be too disappointed. Me Probably would've made Katie cry by this time that sensitive little girl yeah but some people were expecting Katie but I guess you're the next S. thing being that white fat kid the care. I thank you for coming on. 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Everything You Need to Know About Paramount+

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Everything You Need to Know About Paramount+

"Hello everyone and welcome to slash film daily for thursday february twenty fifth twenty twenty one on today's episode of the show. We are going to be talking about the latest film and tv news. My name is ben pearson on the senior writer at slash. Home dot com. And i'm joined on today's episode y slash film weakened editor brad omen. It's me and writers. Why turnby happy one and christopher and elissa. Hello guys so most of what we're going to talk about today involves paramount plus which is yet another streaming service This one is actually sort of a streaming service that already existed before a cbs. All access is being rebranded into paramount. Plus and it's going to be launching early next month And yesterday viacom. Cbs the parent company of paramount. Plus had this big investor day presentation where they Starting late yesterday evening. Just like unleashed a torrent of news about this new streaming service including some pricing information. And how they're going to be handling the move up movies that are going to be coming out theatrically and then when those are going to be coming onto the service and a ton of new. Tv shows they announced. I figured You know there's not much going We're going to just skip watercooler this week in a role that into next week's show so since all of paramount plus news came out last night. Let's talk about it. Let's let's run through some of these big news items that hit n. I'll kick things off by talking a little bit about the tv show that they announced. So i'm not gonna go through all of these. You can encourage people to click on the links in the show. They wanna learn more about any of this. But i'll give you some of the quote unquote highlights. I guess of some of these. These programs that are being made i guess adapted from other sources and turn into tv shows on paramount plus so basically they're mining alive the paramount film library for ideas here so Love story based on the really popular alley mcgarrell ryan. O'neal romance is being adapted into a film as is flashdance the italian job fatal attraction and parallel view. The italian job is the only one there that that has anything like super interesting in that. Is that it is actually going to be a sequel to the michael caine heist movie from nineteen sixty nine. So it doesn't have anything to do with the two thousand and three remake that was Popularized in and start up mark wahlberg and charlies thrown this. One revolves around the grandchildren of the legendary. Charlie croker was played by michael caine in the original who inherit his old safety deposit box in reignite the quest for the infamous italian bouillon. So that kinda sounds like they're doing the. The old ghostbusters afterlife. Kind of affect For that one. The paramount pluses resurrecting a ton of shows including reality tv documentary series like the real world homecoming new york Yo mtv raps behind the music which was a staple on. Vh one many years ago unplugged. There's frazier revival Beavis and butthead is getting a new movie. I mean there's so much here to talk about and again i'm not gonna go through every single one of these but i just wanted to throw this out to you guys. Get your general sense Especially chris brat who i know we're sort of in the trenches with me last night like riding up all this stuff as it was a being released. What do you guys think about the overall shape of the stuff that paramount plus has announced what you make of this streaming service in its in. Its early early incarnation here. I none of the sounds that exciting. Especially the the the idea where they're like we're gonna take a bunch of movies we own and turn. The tv shows like parallel view. Is fucking great movie. And i do not wanna see that as some like generic thriller tv show. I really do not so I'm a lot of this is just like you know mystifying stuff you know. I know paramount. It's hard to compete with disney. It's hard to compete with. How warner brothers doing their thing with releasing all their twenty twenty one stuff straight to each max but this all feels like bargain basement like like what else we got your mtv wraps. It just doesn't sound like there's any real excitement to be happier brad. Any thoughts yeah. I mean it's the biggest thing is just like paramount's viacom. Cbs the parent company. They don't have quite the impressive array of properties and stuff to really get excited about. Are there some things here that i am interested in Sure you know i. I grew up watching houston butthead. And so i'm intrigued to see what a series revival And the tv movie that leads into it is going to be like You know as somebody who grew up on nick toons. I'm at least curious. About the rugrats reboot since brings back the original cast Even though you know it doesn't have the same charm as that original two d animation down. Computer animated I you know. I'm i'm intrigued by some of the you know. The documentary non fiction fan of stuff like i love behind the music on vh. One i'm a big foo fighters fan. I feel like the documentary series featuring dave grohl and his mom you know could be interesting and so there's certain things that i'm at the very least curious about but there's nothing here that jumps out to me something like oh i'm gonna i'm gonna definitely have to watch that. Yeah the dave grohl thing is called from two stage which tells stories of the special relationship between successful musicians and their moms and as you mentioned that there's a rugrats reboot that has a whole like. Cg vibe I guess. One of the things i should mention is that We previously knew some stuff that was coming to paramount plus was confirmed or reconfirmed. The most maybe the most important is there's going to be more. Spongebob squarepants content that. They're they're really leaning into the kid aspect there's gonna be a live action dora the explorer show back shin the fairly odd parents show And with rugrats. Thing that you just mentioned i mean it seems like they're you know a lot of the obviously disney pluses like families but Guessing in terms of like the larger streaming service landscape This seems like it has some stuff that people that younger audiences are actually going to be interested in whether or not their parents will know enough about paramount plus to subscribe to it in you know. Put that in front of him. remains to be seen Because one of the other big things the service has to offer is its relationship with taylor. Sheridan who wrote hell or high water and is behind the series yellowstone which is very popular. But i've never seen it. But i i i hear that it's one of the popular shows or maybe even the most popular show on cable right now and they are going full on in the taylor. Sheridan business. I think he has. There's a yellowstone prequel series. there's a yellowstone spinoff series that was announced for paramount. Plus there's another show that he's working on Called mayor of kingstown. That stars jeremy renner. And then there's another show that is set in west texas. That taylor sheridan is involved with so i mean he is really like their guy when it comes to creating content for the service Issue i don't know if you've had a chance to like a deep dive into everything paramount plus has to offer. But what are your first impressions. Hear about all the stuff that we've sort of mentioned in what you know about this so far. My first impression was wow. That's a lot of ip that they're going to go back to the well for and my second impression was. How are they going to make a remake of the parallel do because the entire point of that film was that there are no actual solutions or easy resolutions ritchie conspiracy. So i feel like it would be uniquely unsuited being remade into a tv series or whatever Paramount plus will will make it into so that seems like a strange to me but yet seemed like paramount plus is really gearing up the tried to compete with other streamers like disney plus each remarks And it's taking the route that issue max doing by playing into nostalgia so heavily but i think like brad said They don't have a lot of properties that have as much wide appeal as warner warnermedia. Brothers does it's. They're definitely kind of grasping for straws with some of these titles. I mean star. Trek is one of paramount's biggest viacomcbs like biggest projects and they have like tons of shows that are that were on. Cbs all access. That will be ported over to paramount plus so There's like a big franchise tien. They're one of the other big film projects that they are film. Ip's that they own is mission. Impossible in there has not been any sort of announcement about a mission. Impossible show but that seems like the kind of thing that if they want to mind their own. Ip at least do it with something that has like a cultural cachet behind it. You know. But i don't know i mean they're also looking to revive a criminal minds which is like a very straight down the middle procedural network previously network show but like a ton of people watch criminal minds unlike maybe this shotgun approach of Aiming at all different types of audiences in all different types of content never not necessarily providing the most flashy thing on display but just having a lot of stuff that that sort of runs the gamut between potential audiences. Maybe that's an approach. That could work. I mean i think for us like we look at this. And i don't want to speak for everybody on this podcast but i i look at this and say oh my god like another streaming service with all of this shit on it. But that's just. Because i subscribe to all of the ones that have already exist. Hill that already exist. I know that a lot of people in the country don't on around the world don't to all the ones that i subscribe to so maybe You know if people are are trying to take their pick. Maybe this is going to be the one that sort of a rings the bell for them. So i don't know it's hard to be like all of this. Sounds like complete trash I'm not like super excited about any one thing. But it's not like quitting where i think all of us from the very beginning. Where like i don't know about this. This seems like it's gonna go under six months and it pretty much. Did i feel like perma. Plus could stick around for a while to has a lot of stuff that theoretically people might care about. But i don't know. I'm i'm a little curious to see how this how this launch works. And what sort of reaction They get from people in what their subscriber numbers start to look like at least in the first year. And maybe that'll give us a better sense of what sort of strategy they're going to develop going forward but let's move on to some of the Specifics within the paramount plus umbrella chris. They have a tv show. That is going to be a pretty big name property that a lot of people are gonna care about. I'm curious to see if people are gonna care enough to subscribe to a new service but Tell us about one of the big shows that they're gonna to have its The halo tv show based on the very popular halo video game series on. This was originally supposed to go to showtime but now it is going to paramount plus instead so there you go. Sorry everyone with a showtime subscription. Who is really excited to watch halo. You have to sign up for paramount. Plus now i kind of wonder if showtime is going to like how they're going to make it at this point. 'cause that seems like a sort of network saver can show for them. Yes it is interesting. I do wonder like how like you just said how this is going all workout for. Does anyone belonged many more. I feel like no one subscribes to show time. I don't i don't know how popular service that is at this point it feels like it's an outlier so maybe it will go away. Was it rolled into paramount plus. Yeah so that was one of the big like original tv show properties that is going to be coming there and there actually are. They're going to be working on original films at paramount. Plus as well and chris you heard about a couple of those last night. Tell us about that Yeah so the paranormal activity sequel reboot. Everyone call it. We we've known this was coming for a while you know that. Christopher landon is writing it. He wrote the happy death. They films and He he directed freaky. He's writing the script. And william eubank who directed the surprisingly good underwater horror. Movie underwater is directing it and we knew that was on the way and now we've learned that that's going straight to paramount plus also going straight paramount plus is a pet cemetery prequel and this is going to jump off of the the recent two thousand and nineteen pet cemetery film and has the same writer. Jeff bueller is pending the script. We don't know a whole lot about that. We just know. It's going to explore the origins. If you will of the haunted burial ground that that can raise the dead and those are both going straight to paramount. Plus other stuff is going the theaters first and then eventually paramount plus but this these two titles are just going right there okay. So let's tackle these one by one real quick. What do you think about a paranormal activity. Movie going straight to like a streaming service. Chris it seems to me like those movies are best seen in theaters right like with most. I don't know it depends. And maybe i'm wrong about this because you watch way more horror movies than i do And the horror landscape has changed a lot especially in the past year with a ton of stuff going to be a deep. You think a horror movie like that Which you know. Previously every film in the franchise went straight to the went to theaters Can survive and thrive going straight to a streaming service like this. I don't know if again survive and thrive. But i do feel like they're they're sort of hedging their bets. Here i mean each subsequent sequel in the series did worse and worse at the box office l. Really okay. i didn't know that. I kind of feel like they were all moderate hits or some were big hits and then but i feel like the last few films in the series did not do so well and that's why the series stopped really because it got to a point where no one really cared anymore. So i kind of feel like that's kind of why they're sort of like wow do. We wanna risk dropping this into theaters in having it not do well you know. Cut our losses and send his right to paramount plus yeah and of course with all these streaming services. Nobody will ever know if only three total people watch the stuff because they don't have to release the numbers so in terms of the pet cemetery prequel. I'm curious has is there ever. Has there ever been any precedent for this. Like in. has stephen king ever written a short story. That set in before the source material in his book has ever been a movie that flashes back the events before the first one. I haven't seen haven't engaged with pet cemetery at all. But i know that you're a big king fan and you know this Property really well. Stephen king actually has a few short stories that sort of act as prequels or sequels to two things. he's he's written there's a there's a story. He wrote called jerusalem's lot which is a prequel to salem slot. And so there is precedent there. There isn't president for pet cemetery. But there's a lot of stuff in the book that you could mine sort of for a prequel if you will. I mean It's baked into the narrative really because the burial ground has been there for hundreds and hundreds of years maybe even longer so you can always jump off of that and you know. The pet cemetery story is senator of that out. Siders come into this area where burial ground is in the borough ground has been in this the small maintain for centuries really so you could build off of that so i i know some people were iffy on the two thousand and nineteen pet cemetery. I really liked it. A pet cemetery in general is my favorite stephen king. Property is my favorite book. He's written i. I love the one thousand nine hundred nine movie. I really liked two thousand nineteen movie. I even like the sequel to the previous film which is not based on anything. Stephen king wrote but it has a fun goofy charm to it. So i'm all in on this. I know a lot of people won't be but i'm a sucker for pet cemetery. So i very curious about us all right so brad. In all of the chaos. That happened last night. I saw a headline about how paramount plus. It's going to be handling their the movies. And and you know what happens after a film debuted and then comes to the streaming service. But i confess that. I have not had time to read about this in detail. So please enlighten me and hopefully our listeners. About what the heck. The paramount movie strategy is for the streaming service. Oh it would be my pleasure So paramount is essentially following in the footsteps that universal pictures warner brothers. Pictures have already been taking by shortening. The theatrical window universal was the first one to really shake things up by reducing their theatrically. Theatrical exclusive window to just seventeen days and so a lot of their mid range on lower-profile movies have been in theaters just just for under a few weeks before going to veto. D to be available for a premium rental and then one of brothers came along and Did something even crazier by making all of their theatrical releases in twenty twenty one available day in date on. hbo max for thirty one. Days and paramount Is actually being a little less extreme when it comes to their approach so They will be sending some of their major blockbuster busters to paramount plus with a shortened theatrical window. But this yesterday when there will be forty five days instead of the traditional ninety days that studios usually keep movies in theaters for before they head to vod so the a specific titles that were mentioned so far where mission impossible seven a quiet place. Part to an top maverick Those are the three biggest blockbusters that will arrive on paramount plus forty five days after they hit theaters. They also mentioned that there. There's a police patrol movie that will also follow the same route but I don't think we have a lotta paul patrol fans on the slash room listenership. I'm sure plenty of parents. Probably know about it and it's going gonna drive them crazy 'cause we'll have to watch it over and over again but Just tell your kids that don't have paramount plus so you want to worry about on but yeah so so. They're being a little less extreme when it comes to shortening the window but they're definitely following the footsteps. You know A viable path for building their subscribers In releasing these movies to paramount plus. And one thing that will Also be helping paramount pluses that they've also renewed a deal with paramount. Pictures that are new to deal with. Epochs that will give epochs. Ninety day exclusive pay tv window for paramount's movies and mgm is also doing the same thing so movies like no time to die and creed three after. They've hit theaters And gone through the vod route when they first hit pay tv. They'll be available on ethics for ninety days exclusively before they head to paramount plus and then later available on other cable channels and whatnot so for people who might not know the difference between pay tv and and vod. Brad can just like explain that real quick. Yeah for sure. That's a good question so pay-tv we're talking about channels like the epochs is is a pay tv channel. Hbo cinemax showtime and so they'll get movies to play from studios before they end up on basic cable when you were talking about channels like fx or tnt or tbs so when these movies are available on pay tv they'll be available exclusively through epochs for ninety days before they'd be made available to any other potential outlet that would like to play them and then after that -clusive window mgm Ann perrine Paramount movies will be available to stream on paramount. Plus gotcha okay. So the one thing that. If i'm understanding you right i just wanna like lay this out and make sure that i'm getting this correct especially for these big movies mission impossible. Seven top gun maverick. For example they are are they locked into a forty five day Debut on paramount because like for the universal deal that happened in twenty twenty when when all this was just sort of forming and the The window was breaking all of that kind of stuff. They think their plan was something like if we want to. We can release a movie you know to to a streaming platform or to pay tv or whatever Within seventeen days or something but if the movie is performing well in theaters if if we release fast nine and makes a lot of money in theaters. We're not locked in to putting that we can basically hold it in theaters for as long as we want to keep making money in theaters but it sounds like this is a different thing right like there are actually locked into okay. Forty five days after it debuted in theaters. You are going to be able to see these movies. Is that right. Yeah that they specifically announced that These these three movies and the pulpit trump movie They will be sending them to paramount. Plus forty five days after their theatrical release. Now that's not necessarily something that will follow for all of their big blockbusters. I think this is probably doing initially to help boost paramount pluses numbers as the year goes on Because a lot of You know the pandemic castillo thing and even look into later this year. You'll probably still have people who are apprehensive about going to movie theaters. And so i think that they wanna make sure that they're able to You know benefit themselves elsewhere if the theatrical numbers aren't doing as well as they they might hope so this way if these movies aren't huge Box office earners than they'll at least recoup. Maybe a little bit more by having people sign up for paramount plus in the interim to watch them forty five days after they hit theaters and then And interestingly enough to This is just further biggest blockbuster. Some of their mid range movies may actually have shorter theatrical window because there is talk that some paramount movies may end up being released a paramount plus thirty days after theatrical release. So so it's just these bigger movies that they're giving a little bit longer theatrical window to okay so with all of this in mind. hd let's go to you. How much will it cost to subscribe to paramount. Plus and get all the stuff that we've been talking about. It will actually cost cheaper to subscribe to paramount. Plus a did for cbs. All access apparent pluses producing its base. Ads put a tear by one. Dollar is charging four nine per month. versus cbs. All access former five ninety nine per month but this is the base package the full paramount plus premium tier with no ads except for life. Programming will be the same at nine per month But there is a little bit of a catch with that base ad-supported tear it won't include a cbs local cbs stations. In its live programming. So we'll include live sports like nfl games but no local cbs stations As a way of basically appealing to a wider demographic and giving paving the way for more content than cbs. All access had This is basically a A move in the direction for the younger cord cutting demographic i is the more elderly demographic that cbs typically had and obviously part of the whole rebranding fairmount plus. Yes okay so. I guess we might as well go around the circle and just say whether or not we would pay this much for all of the stuff that we've just been talking about Do you think it would be worth it to you to you. Know to watch mission possible seven a month and a half after the release for. Let's say for ninety nine a month so many streaming services already. Maybe it'd be worth it. If the next i'm going to talk about is something that i actually is a franchise i'm actually very invested in. And if they put a lot of stuff on paramount plus may be. I would be interested in investing. Okay brad. yeah let's go to you. Is there anything here you know. You mentioned that. Dave grohl show you mentioned beavis and butthead anything else like a peak your interest enough where you're actually going to think about paying that price so an position right now where. I subscribed to the bundle that Apple tv plus put out there. Where if you sign up for apple tv plus you can also sign up for both. Cbs all access and showtime for a reduced price where it cost Half each cbs. Ashes of time cost half as much as it would. If you subscribe to individually. And i'm still sign up for that and it's supposed to remain active even after. Cbs all access become paramount. Plus so because of that. I will probably stick with it however if i were forced to subscribe to paramount plus separately. I not necessarily sure that i would go through with it. Yeah chris what about you. The pet cemetery seems like a big deal for you is that is that going to be enough. Or any. Any like the fraser reboot you worry about that to like to throw down a few bucks a month hussy man i i already have sony so many streaming services and like when that pet cemetery Arise i'm gonna email someone and be like send me a screener. Like if i if i didn't have access to that sort of stuff. Maybe i would. But i you know i just on a temporary basis. If you didn't have screeners you might do like free trial or something just watch. It doesn't sound like it's something that you would like actively stick with for a little while you know. Hbo max netflix and hulu and amazon prime and shudder in the criterion channel and disney plus. It's like i. I can't imagine getting the dream with the streaming services was that we could cut the cord no longer be tethered. Too expensive cable plans and hours got to pay even than we ever paid for cable because we have to sign up to everything. I just want i dream of one streaming service. That has everything on it. Someone someone invent that. I'm sure you can make that happen. Someone all right. So you alluded to the story that we're going to mention here and it being a franchisor a property near and dear to your heart so tell us about that yes Avatar last year batter is coming back to nickelodeon Nickelodeon is launching an avatar studios a newly formed content division that is dedicated holy and singularly singularly to avatar less air bender Expanding the world of Air bender and legend of cora through a series of feature films animated shows. What have you that will be arriving either in theaters or paramount plus or On nickelodeon various channels so this is Very exciting news for people who have been Keeping up with the long and troubled production for the net flicks live action Avatar air bender serious original creators of the series. Michael de martino and brian yet. Sco who were set to Produce sent sort of steer. The netflix live action. Adaptation left the put the project in a huff last summer over creative differences and it seems they've taken like the most hilariously petty of course of action they could do is form their own production studio. That's just dedicated to avatar. Last air bender Flipping a little middle finger to net flix and we can do what we want. We're making All avatar stuff for netflix for nickelodeon which welcomed him back with open arms. Hopefully after seeing how much a renewed interest there has been for avatar last bender after. It hit netflix streaming last summer and They're basically giving all the resources to de martino gone yet. Go to a form at are they are the co creative co created co chief creative officers for avatar studios and the first project that comes out of the studio is an original animated. Theatrical films can be hitting theaters. And it's a it's a very exciting thing does especially coming from Deamer tino fuego and Something that a lot of avatar fans have been really craving more sort of material and more expansion of the world that we've been getting somewhat in legend cora and in comics and novels but i feel like aptx Render is a franchise. That's really ripe for all kinds of storytelling and for this kind of really focused storytelling to like. If they make a theme park. I would actually be happy about it. So this is yeah. This is really exciting although it is kind of ironic that nickelodeon is putting all this money in now. Realizes that after less renders jim after effectively burying legend of cora while it was on the air so just kind of ironic but a sweet irony. Now that steve martino get to do what they want with the series. So do you think that there's a chance that they make their own live action of avatar. The last airman or series. That sort of like directly competes with the netflix version. Or was this Was there something in this announcement that basically said that. They're sticking to animation albouy through this. This first project is animated. They didn't Rule out anything live action wise. And i think it would be really hilarious and Wouldn't be outside of the box if they did decide to go for live action The net live action series is still in development for now. There have been rumors around the avatar fan community that there are a lot of there've been a lot of changes to the source material which is a why di martino were so unhappy aging ups of various characters changing of ethnicities. And that kind of thing. So yeah it would be definitely a boss move on martino Part to just do their own. Live action series to help netflix's version of though i do think net have a little bit more cash. Burn than nickelodeon probably Cash also like cultural cultural awareness. Rate like you know. we're talking about paramount. Pluses brand new subscription service. And like even if they do put their own live action thing on here. It's they're fighting an uphill battle. They have to have declined paramount mountain to to use terms that they've been using their their own marketing. Yeah to be able to. I mean just like the the sheer number of eyeballs. That's gonna be on that live. Action show on. Netflix is going to completely dwarf. Whatever is going to happen on paramount plus probably an in its first year or so so that seems like maybe an uphill battle but they would be at least an amusing one for us to watch from the outside. So maybe that will happen. But okay so I guess i think. That's i think that's going to bring us to the end of today's episode of slash on daily. You can find more about all of the short stories that we mentioned in the show notes for today's episode. This podcast is published every weekday. 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EPISODE 143 -- RONNIE THOMAS PART 2

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EPISODE 143 -- RONNIE THOMAS PART 2

"Hello my name is rik houston and welcome to the scene. Volk podcast your source for all things nascar. History told you motor out of the car and he took his hands hateful. What food was all into that stuff. And he's it and thousand dollars. I need early caution. The caller austin for about ten minutes now so upset. I said i just cannot keep doing this. The day nassau and all of us associated in any way with mascot. Forget its path today. We donate any everyone. I'm steve wade and my name is rik houston and welcome to the same vault. Podcast and steve. We had a comment on the third installment of the interview. With michael mixed wayne over on youtube that i wanted to kind of discuss our. We get started this way. All right buddy barker now. Nobody but he commented on that episode. I rule in journalism. Never make the story about you. The journalist i'll good up until that bad form. So i got a little bit of a negative review does make a point now. I will say this right up front. I absolutely agree. That journalist shouldn't go looking to make a store about themselves. I am on board with that one hundred percent. I do not disagree with that at all. Nor do i however i would have never suspected that the interview with michael would take that kind of turn where. He said that he was still kind of struggling with being out of the sport even though it has been more than a decade since he left. I had no idea that he felt like that. But it was just something that i personally had dealt with in my own life and in my own career. I was let go by nascar on july. Twenty two thousand and four to this day steve. I can still remember looking in the rear view mirror of my vehicle that i was driving at the time and seeing the gate to the parking lot at the rnd center in concord. Shut behind me. And i gotta tell you. That was an empty feeling. And i went from working for nascar to literally being on the outside looking at just like that so no. I didn't go into that interview. Looking for a way to make it about rick. Houston but when monaco told the kinds of emotions that he'd been dealing with it sounded almost exactly like my own story and i just wanted to let him know that he wasn't alone. I was just a friend reaching out to help france. That's my defense. I'm just going to leave it there. Whether it gets up and clear. Okay i we do. File journalism principles. Here we strive for accuracy and we strive for detroit but let's face it. We are not the new york times. This is a podcast. What we're doing is having guests on and telling stories about the past and they view themselves and things they did in the pet we get into conversations and during these conversations. It's not unusual to feel empathy for the other person that we're talking to. And so we express that empathy somehow some way. I think you were doing with michael. That's all it was now. I agree as a youth. Share agree that journalists don't need to write about themselves talk about themselves but they do need to express themselves when they feel a certain empathy for the person they are talking to that simply a good interview and a good conversation. And that's all well that's all we about. I'm going to be honest. When i first broke into journalism it would have killed me to get a criticism like that blood. The more columns. You are the more opinions you're going to express and the more opinions you express the more other people are gonna disagree with you. Sure and i'll always go back to this race. Bristol spring rice and ninety seven. Jeff gordon bumped rusty wallace out of the way to win the race on the last lap. Jeff didn't wreck rusty rusty held on to finish second and i wrote a column expressing. The fact to me is not open for debate. I expressed the fact that jeff did exactly what he should have done with the checkered flag on the line fair enough and at that time the surest way to get any kind of a response out of racing fans was to express any kind of thought about jeff gordon one way or the other as it was for dale earnhardt well my was published and i didn't think that stupid fax machine was ever gonna stops messages pro and con about that column and we wound up getting about one hundred messages pro and con and to be honest with you. They were split fairly evenly. Fifty percent was pro. Jeff gordon fifty percent was anti geoff gordon and of those fifty percent. That were anti. Geoff gordon who mercy. There were a handful out of those that were stated. I just got downright ugly. A happen sometimes. Well just as a sample. This note came from don. And dorothy croker from california and this was an email in the days of email and it was directed to you and you were kind enough to pass it along to me now kind of wonder if don croker is not your pin name or something no nine or this is what donald dorothy wrote. I must say that this is the best piece you have wrote today. Spoken like a man and true love. I thought all along that the only reason you have the job on the staff of the best newspaper in the sport is the requirement to have at least one anal orifice in the group. Please excuse the misspelling in grammar. I'm still so upset. I can't say straight. I gotta take a break. What i figured. Out what anal orifice man. I was kinda offended. So steve promised me. You didn't write this. no. I didn't write this. I would never consider you and any orifice at all well. I'll look don up on facebook. And i found who i would assume to be him. He had a bunch of racing pictures in his profile and everything and he looks like a very nice person and i sent him a friend request and he accepted it. Steve i are now friends. On how about that. I love a happy ending. Anal orifice steve. Before we get into the show. This week i do wanna mention the fact that we lost eric mcclure. Yesterday eric was the son of morgan. Mcclure motorsports owner larry maclaurin. We talked to him on the podcast last year. But eric drove two hundred and eighty eight races in. What's now the xfinity series. He had a really bad crash at talladega. Evidently left him with some injuries that he had some trouble. Dillon with but i don't know what happened yet. Don't know how and why we lost him. Don't know that we'll ever know why. But we did lose him yesterday and that came as just a huge huge shock a lot of people he leaves behind. Fiance and steve. He leaves behind seven daughters his first as marriage so that just hit home was a lot of people in this world. It's very tragic. And eric pass way too soon. And a specialist over ever nods this week in our first segment. We're gonna share the second installment of our interview with ronnie thomas and he talks about the frustrations of having to run. Like we go slow or we don't go those frustrations kinda bought over. He did talk about an incident with the k. Orrick that got kinda that kinda there for a second eddie gossage. Who is now. The president of texas motor speedway got to drive ronnie's rice car. What's up with that. That didn't turn out too well and then he also talks about his his dad's relationship with the absolutely legendary wendall. Scott i think it was kind of relationship that wendell did not get to enjoy very much during his career. So is a very good thing for the thomases and for him. And then i don't know that i would call it a bombshell revelation exactly but ronnie did talk about some of the deal making that went on behind the scenes between him and some of the bigger teams in the sport. Well i can tell you this A lot of times over the years especially the media would suspect. There's something like this went on but it was really never made public that much because no one would admit to it. Well we'll find out a little bit different today. L. ronnie admitted to it then in our second segment. We're going to go back to the july. Twentieth nineteen seventy eight issue. Grand national sane this issue featured coverage of a dominant victory. For kale jabre nashville. Richard childress collected the best finish of his winston cup career. Ronnie thomas finished tenth the first top ten of his career and there was also an awesome. And i mean. Awesome interview with richard petty. That jin grainger did. Oh yeah. I remember this one long book well. It was hard to forget. I can tell you that. Finally we do have new patriots support from scott trivet and increased support from jared stanley. So scott and jared thank you thank you so much for stepping up to the plate and helping us preserve nascar history and helping us to produce this podcast every week thank you. You are a part of the team now. And i really do appreciate that so listeners if you can play supports on patron supports on pay pal. The patriot address is patriae on. Pat r. e. dot com slash. The same podcast. Or if you would prefer just to do a one time show of support you can do that at pay pal dot me slash the same bought podcast speaking of some of the bigger teams and junior johnson. And rainier and everything. How much how did you get from them. As far as tires or parts or pieces or engines or anything or cars or whatever. Is that something that you went out. And really well like from rainier and some of the most. The help i got from them was just when i was in her way. Going through inspections line put them helped me push my car the white so they get through quicker that was. I mean seriously to help. I got was get out of the way but you know as far as what i was doing. It would be a patties and junior would they were the closest I went down badges a couple times with boy band. Joe you know. He's got that little used to having science and were money by speed. How fast you want to go where you couldn't afford to banjos too often. Are you know he wanted money. Frees us Because he was topped the land at that. But most i'd go down and get from junior and richards and i'll spatial when they went from winter. Chevrolet and i'd get tires. I'd go down junior this funny. We went to martinsville. I went to pay it. He's said talked in with forty. We got a bunch of tires for more. They all go down there and thought i was man. I'll tell you one thing. They all these tires now. They were used some of them. The sticker would just barely wore off main like some of might add twenty laps. I go down there. And i had this panel man truck and i had full cars for wilbur and so back then you dad. We'll spur say you might have fifteen tracks. The maybe us run the same number tires at half the tracks. You didn't have a tire forever track. You might run williamsburg and richmond martinsville same tired and you might go to rockingham and darlington in dover new run that compound tire so i went danner carlson gateway to everything i get in the truck act back about sleep. We had about eight. Cents tariffs barnesville now. They were old tires but is going down the road feeling glad with those cars name what we do qualified. Then you go to richard or junior childress him you give them one hundred dollars. You had your old tires. i'll thank you. Senators head to lapse of scuff on them three laughs. You'd put them on a qualify heroes. The problem with doing that. We got into a lotta race is doing it but you get your car. Set up with your old tires when i'm talking about cars Down with something deidre stone a month earlier and had dinner if they had five or twenty laps. All you get your car. Set a pretty good when you'd put their tires on head two or three laps. He wanted to do the tires sticks. Good they would actually over time the car you would pick up speed but if we would have had a set to put on before that knew what were we know new. Got the car. Set up a little better qualified. So there's rights as that. You know we was charlotte. You was our taylor story. About one are gerald martin artfully some. So y'all was their town higgins. Czar say yells in this press room or something other and one of the reporters. Come and tell me i don't if you're not but went down. Are we had android. Run two or three rights. You go to charlotte. Guess what happens woods brother. Show a bullet shows how can shows a people run and race. Your toil had about. We'd run a race to get ready to try to qualify. Weedon ever get darena track. But oh black on monday. Or tuesday back in charlotte. We didn't usually get now. We missed the first day of qualified. We'd be there for the second third. So we qualify the second day. Naturally it'd be fifty cars earned. We'd be thirty feet. The forty fifth like you know you go to the motel at night. I'll be impartial man. We need a half a tenth trying to figure out what to do. Track next day when i go to whoever it was. We boxed a core off. And you know i do. Applaud check neural prosser. Neural parker jameson. Came how much lean down try. Get a little more know going down here. I'll give you plug or change a couple plugs. This sailor try to get everything you could so go down there. And this was eighty or eighty five good air qualified. We're on hot seat. Hot seat fifty cars there. You know what happened is am the member like year stay langton and all of them stood on their pound the day before you could stand on your time in and if it was fast you didn't have to qualify the next night man. We was like thirty eight thirty. Nine hundred martius you a couple cars. Pick up we're going to show so we go out. He won't be like a chorus qualified calls. What happened is the bush chorus practice or whoever practiced track got slick and it got hot day. All the people stood on our time. They're pretty darned sight. So we go out qualified. And i cannot remember the nassar's but we was on the hot seat for about the last five cars. And i said brian thom soehn hotseat. He might slide as stein. And dole ford. Y'all remember dole. Forward lag an oscar by the alabama track. They come over and they lightning. Come on and said you'll get in this thing. Guess who was. The last car was the twenty eight core out member who was driving in which was what year eighty four. Kale was on the hot seat. Qualify marshall. so let's start load up house on new said. I hope i got us a man. I hope he blows up or spins out hits. You mean i say that but you did say that they don't appear don't there was. I think it was twenty eight carbon. Whoever was it was a top name. Driver said work on home. And i'm sitting in the car. I didn't even get out of weeds in the garage. Sitting there and couple of visual round standing are sitting in the car. And i said ronnie thompson bulb. I'm sit core honestly for about ten minutes. Marshall said he jumped up on the table with toolbox was in the garage area. Sitting there now slips that and i said i just cannot keep doing this. I said man it is frigging hurtful. It's embarrassing now. Said at is not. Can't keep doing this so oscar saying how they might be. Somebody will get through this or something happens. I mean you couple of visuals and we got along good with did happen. So load up my toll marshawn said and i just don't know how much longer i won't do this. But i've sputtered out you. Know we'd run a race n. b. o. France calls me at my job. It was eighty five or something. Go to pocono always at pocono and pocono in dover time he go there hit forty four sarpi. Will i times on thirty nine. Cars are in bill france company. Hasty you go to dover. You'll get into rice. Said we don't have. I can't give you no money. But i can guarantee you'll get in okay. We go to dover. I mean did have trouble getting in go to pocono at and andrew trouble in so got to be a deal where we went to mark the alert five cents on. We made a mars but we went to bristol's four or five covers over. We went to darlington. There is five or six over. We made it but it was a struggle all the time and he got worse and worse. And i'll tell you story about sandy jones. Do you all remember him and he worked for darryl. He went to okay. Y'all remember help jamie means everybody helped jamie maine's it might be wrong but now i'm wrong. I think it was a vaca- orrick might be. But i'm pretty sure it was saying john's will make sure i'm bank. God we got to darlington. We did have a back motor but it was an old man we go to darn oh friday practice motor blows up i practice marshalls are with being and know the guy ron kelly ran road passed away. He likely he went with us. China motoric quick. Do i have to qualify the next day. I mean that evening. Guess what blow divider dern but a couple of cars over thirty of quicksand wasn't world. Can we do so. I didn't know you go over to richard. Maurice three thousand overnight in have it. We go to somebody else junior. Said i don't have anything. I understand that night on so we didn't have the three thousand dollars to rent a motor so in this might be a pretty sure. It was sammy. John's but it was de que or smoker. Two cars down there. In thank baxter price might have been driving cars so we go down there. They stood on their time the day before house when those bush cars go after saturday they slick well. Everybody was hot. September cup cars practice and the bush cars practice card track out slick so we didn't have a motor. Sandy says. make sure. I'm right but it was. One decays guys did entrance. He said we got an engine in a truck. If they let you use it you can get in with. And he said we've had it in. It just wouldn't make no speed now. What he said were speed. i be a debt motor. We'll get into show and went topped the cake city. They us putting it in able run fast enough to get you in rice. Said well can attract and he said it's no use so turnout civil. What are you. George me just two laps with the qualifier. Hey surani take the boat or put it in the car qualified with it. We got the motor in that particular day as on saturday and if they closed garage for lunch for like thirty minutes in qualified we thought of the minute we was the motor and trying to get a into us all what to call five minute clock. Then we pushed down pit road and i'm actually wipe them out hands off. Everybody was working and stuff on it. We got it cranked up. an oscar. Bowman was run the scales and we live for carpal scales and it he went cows. He's trying to get a flu where we can qualify runoff scales running. Couldn't colon down and trying to get the motor warmed up. We get down there and the guy and he said one minute outside. Okay said i need to warm up a minute minute. He looked are seconds. had a rudder. I went up. We made the show so we knocked out of the rights. Decay orrick now. Here's what all member i don't remember. It was decay or decays car. He comes over and we had. I had then we had a fan off of i o furnace fan. We had with us. We added on this car right here. We know no sikora cooling it down. I told the guy saddam. We'll go over to the hot dog. Stan get everybody hot dogs and hamburgers and drinks so go with the hot dog stand. I get hot dogs. Hamburgers drinks for body. We laying on top the car right here fans blown decay said get my motor out ronnie and said okay l. Said they can't just let me. And i said it's hot. You king touching. He said a hurry up. And get it out hell. Everybody's there eating leaned up against carcelle table eaten food decay. Oil-rich comes down. He said i told you to get my f- and motor out of the car. I said okay. And he took his hands and he what food was all to that stuff and he's slugging it pit road. I mean he actually slung that stuff. He said acid get by motor. Out by squint. Thirty minutes i. We had about ramp to go to him. This site for sure. i'm sandy commodities that motor. Get in the show so tell stores kind of made alone story. It's kind of a funny story. How things go when you had a stroller rates but i want to say one thing album. Struggling a lot of people had it worse than me. You know. I look back and i always said i had a rough and i find out you know. I had it bad nurse. People had a lot worse. Me don charlie roberts from anniston de stocks for tots thank you sadie run it four five years or something number savings seven at sonic king four times. He told me he said. I didn't tease. Just couldn't afford to do it. And he said just leave to rights but baynes on the table. I mean that's you know. He had no reason to latin so we did a different route. You know we want and eating steaks we want jet said. We'd lived a very meager lifestyle. And you know you've been and been dad out of being just like a world brooks. But i had him to keep me in check so you know i hate. We didn't run better than we did. But we did the best with good with what we had when we got here today. You gave us some notes about your career. And if if. I asked every question and i wanted to ask about these notes. We would be here until monday audience. You go through the good stuff the band there. There's one in particular. And i'm gonna just read it word for word so i don't get myself in trouble. It says to make ends meet and racing. I was approached by some big name teams to bring out a caution for them which i did but i'm not proud of it but we did what we had to do. I got here that storm now before we hard. They'll be fooled. We knew as apprentice that those things happen. But we'd never read. It asked about it because we knew why said well. How can you blame this guy. He's doing that because he's respect him. This guy's at then respect coming forward to pay him bank presenting wrong way. I just thought it was part is board. So let's be added financial reasons. I understand and other. I don't know. I mean we know coppola people did it. I mean when people show up a certain people trucks and trailers and two or three weeks. Everything's happened you kinda ball but you figured out. What did i do a dozen times. No but i did it several times i did it detente on did it martinsville. Here's the thing. I've been told by many people. Don't mention the names calls. You know they won championships. So if i mentioned the names he kinda puts a tarnish on their championship. But i will tell you one guy. Big is three big name and nine hundred wrightson. But this won't protect one. He to change ship in odyssey order the mid eighties. It could be different people but he got hurt is kinda funny as james hilton. Had the deal. Jane's mr race at martinsville. He comes to me and he said you wanna make some money. I said how's that he's bring out a caution flag early so and get this guy that corn relief driver in it and he was up near the front the points in utah and he said if i l. dollars heck i had finished twelfth year two thousand dollars and so i talked to the and this guy you see him all the time as very big name crew chief one of the bigger ones. Go talk team at the corner. They're trying i said What's what's the deal here. And he said and give you a thousand dollars anita early caution and and so all i can tell you is one thing telling me. Don't head to tighten seatbelts up side. Cows it's gonna be a quick. Here's the funniest you realize. I was in the bank star. They draw flag. I go down in the corner. And i just talked to break up going into the first corner and house run about fifty miles. Marijuana spun around backwards and gm bohdan wander race down too much here. Got pantheon adjacent. Bohdan wins rice. I'm sent backwards. And i can't remember housekeeper or ford was flagging but i'm backwards in the first corner. They don't throw the flag out here. They come out of the fourth corner. Said i frigging moving. Got almost finished by ways. Caution i started. It is been around. I detail in the field. I of course to get two thousand dollars the next week at now bleed. It was we'll s- borough where to next week. I get my money. I said ron thomas come to the nascar trailer. Beattie you've been found a thousand and one dollars. I didn't get anything because they couldn't prove anything going to trigger. Here's the deal with big. He always called me raleigh but he was mad about some he'd say son. I never could figure that so. I'm going to try to shut door sedan. Manhattan little couch and shut the door down son cramp. That's not gonna ask you some say. Why don't you spend a morrinsville last week. But at the race star you go down in the corner and spin around us dick. I had old tires on you all know people. Now we barred tires qualify them but we start rice. We put her out tires from a racer to before and had on acid. I had those old tires on and they were hard. We're hard but net howard. So so i said i hit the brakes sputter l. backwards and i said i was just running spanish when i went down from hard tires. Don't run fast spin as a funny. I did laugh so i grabbed the trailer. I don't even get car. Nice say so and so driver come the nascar trailer. not pro. marshall said he's getting his mouth full rights force. But it's you know. And i did it daytona one time and what. Here's buddies one day telling. I'll tell you this when i did it for junior. And and he are titus little thing. Here's what i can't remember. Oh pressure check the water temperature. Something i can't remember how it was. That was the cue for the gulshan flag. So he back him one no lucky dog back then if a guy was damn it down but he got by the leader college and played command. He made his lap up one of had earned back then. So so you had actually a cue that. If they said something on radio they would get with bomar with my dad or marshall which crew chief been. I can't remember what it was either though. Check on pressure water. Or something like so i'm it daytona and like i said if we've been running. Here's a bad. I'd been running top ten or top fifteen. I wouldn't have done it. We run when you're crapping. What's making differs so we got out. Are we get tired. They gave me the dying in little. Okay i flipped out the thing out of gear. Halfway down the backstretch. Well i get four return on my counter. And i'm still running ninety mile an hour. We'll get ready to beat road us. Turn i gotta get so. I'm trying to slow down with rates. Let car pinch ford now get slowed up stop at pier road entrance. So of course stop daito. The college flag ale tro pushed me. And we'll go down pit road and borsum raises a hood. Axiom looking inside the car got it not take back out and of course you get you parts. Junior didn't want too much on giving money like give parts and you can't blend. Shively was give him stuff and all this. I go down instead of give me money. Give me said. I used heads and say hundred and eighty degree hitters and stuff like gap. And i'm what those guys people realize. Those guys made a lot of money off the little guys making their money and you know the thing about is does it tarnish the sport way you can look into three different ways now. They don't have to have somebody. That's been which who knows what goes on now. But now you got all these frigging lucky dogs so most times. You don't had fairly. They don't need it there in to me. I kinda way thank. It's good old timers. People me older. They don't like this stuff of the lucky dogs. Now but you know nascar got to do what they gotta do to keep the sport going so you know the thing about it is instead of having the guy win it running five hundred guy. Second run five hundred guys. Third runs four hundred ninety seven gosport. Next thing you know you get back to your place car. He's twenty laps back. That don't really look good for the sport. And the way i look at. What's it matter when you get back to fifteenth or twelfth. Guess on one way you say what's bad or in one way it gives them guys more. Tv time and everything. You know the only time you say it's bad is maybe somebody on and twenty dollars a day and he gets lead to have a rain mess up cameras in he wins. Of course guy wins. It's a good thing for him but you know just how much last thirty years. There's another note on here. It says eighty gossage practice. My car bristol. What were you thinking we went. We went to bristol in eighty. Was this car. He was the monte-carlo right. After this we went to bristol. And i got still got the beal i had it laminated friend of mine. Laminates here and charged charges one hundred fifty dollars to track. We took we had two cars. Then we took both cars and we played around with them. You know to coastal we'd always getting it could be forty cars at bristol for some reason. I could always make the rates. They even had on stuff. I just like bristol. Got around are good qualified. Save with harry and helped me one time. So i like to race at and leaves are practicing and marshall we had many house are there was about fifteen with because we got where we want. Read a lot of rice ounce that y'all wanna go need to go because i don't be doing it was about ten or twelve. They took off work and went down zone. It was a week before the race was like on a thursday or friday the week before. We'll go out darn. We practiced giants brain changes shock. Take the cry chase a couple sprayings. Do this move track bar. We just plan ramped everything. Seeing what worked did so they go to lunch. Eddie gossage comes down. I can't remember if it clark. Was he at bristol them to you might have been try to get in touch with masking but eighty gets in the car. And guess what we had put a body home. Edit my shop here put a new body on it and and all the vendors out there right up here too little shop ahead so said eighty take his thing out run a few laps. Shoot out so you ain't gonna after and run a few labs guess what i did. Nobody's arbor mahanadi. The guys went to little store down the road. How about a mile from race track of toilet. A little store had blown in sam's and all that kind of stuff and i said bring me something back. I let eighty slotted after you lay offs. Guess what the brand new body. I've forgotten lived hood pm sale. He comes out down a bank. I think the windshield it bit bit to roof up. Eighties kohner now. Guess i get no compensation a high if you owned a drive and an. I'm just kidding. So come back in our head to head off. He pulled hood off and both are with the terrorists monster and he was with pulled the hood up. We was beating out out march. He what in the world he said. We'd just put told him what happened. He just shook his head. But but you know. I took every gas something i did. I don't have any people's ever do this. Every count was with me for we let that evening. They said the track five about four fifteen four thirty. I said anybody will say run. A cup car can do it. Every guy with me got into race car and you know what to the person saib back then. The poll might have been like sixteen or seventeen plan. They get out during my seventeen thirty. You know what. Tehran said gonna run it. Come in how to run. Twenty three seconds. Twenty five six. What i mean in april one of them said i got an admiration for now that in high up out state it was a lot easier than what it looks like as i say people watching on tv. Nick being cornered driving. You don't look that bad you get inside even if you're running twentieth. See the thing. Kale and richard bobby on pearson thing about damn they had dirt deal they run. Here's our deal. We wrote our bus j. d. and jimmy and decay and baxter and all these guys. You're you're back here on tommy gale. Just keep on your back here. Here's why people don't realize you're at here your darlington you've run at one. Hundred fifty. Five hundred sixty looks like a run a hundred fashion but run foul monitor fast rate monitor faster day. Go by your with your abolish. Well guess what you got to get out of there for. You can way the same time. You've got sure gaza and it's kind of a deal where you're watching what you're doing and you're watching what you're doing so it it a little tougher than what people thinking. You're trying to be very careful not to tire the carved saint thompson it. You know those guys had it up but he was tough in the back. Sometimes to steve. You know what that means. Don't you or the forget the pace car. If i had been there that day i could have driven ronnie's race car. Holy cow you there. You've got in it. I would've heard you live. And i would have put down to thirty five seconds. Just apl thank. It just went to martinsville play. Earls down there me. And buddy eric and player charge me is nineteen seventy eight or seventy nine called play up the clay try to come. Try to not qualify. Back with steve. We couldn't get a top twenty or fifteen plays qualifying. I'll say we come to buy a new set of tires try. He said come on. Down player said the arab arrogance coming on friday or some- among down. I said how much he said. You don't owe me a thing. And here's the key to the gas pump. the union gas pump. Here's funny story. So we go down there and practice and run so it gets gets down and afternoon. Window scott's there and he's worked of course he won rights and tanis workloads on. My dad was our uniform. All i had a golf uniform lining. I didn't put a uniform on practice. Way when i was i had to go out and practice you get out numeric. You want you back in practice. So that afternoon comes by dance. Did win drive that car two lamps. I said okay look shore and i said you run g lapsed. I'm not driving it as well if you don't drive. Okay i'll get some day. Goes eight runs. Five six laps with put win. Limit winner runs either ten laps. Get out you know and me feel so you now. So much of this stuff is politicized. Now what aggravates me. We did it dan it. We didn't see skin color win. Let's truth. I mean dad liked him. I knowing knowing like yeah well. I mean lobbied realize us. Hey drove my dad's car. What twelve rices nine races. I mean payday plumbing. And two of them so i mean so you know we let him run My dad drove. I drove it and I got to tell you about at dartington real quick. We'll tell you what earl brooks did so in practice over earl sales data. I said i know well. I didn't call him mr url. Can i feel my car with gas amp breaking down here. I go down there. And he don't don't tell nobody so. Fill it up with gas. i said. Hey i got a copa of big race in cans can fill 'em up to yeah. Don't say get bill. Mcgann's cans up your. I got my truck. Here i said. Hey you feel that sole so truck was the funniest thing i can't on i feel in your truck. Oh poor you get all the gas. Could but jamie cox here. Monday as crew chief and ran a few races in company. Nineteen seventy. i think is win. Win drove at darlington. Stab your saved me one. But anyway at star city shop and put thirty four on a door so take back yard. And i think it was bristol after the race looked in a book down. Thank you got four hundred dollars or something. Were window finished. Window and toys car up at trenton new jersey and things like a sixty eight or nine four terrain some after raise. He comes up. And i seen it in a program and i asked my dad about sir. Weird story passed away about story. And said yeah. That's right. come up give her. I mean give wendell two hundred dollars and he said what's his full and he's a driving a car window said you're going to pay me to drive your car and solicit help you. I haven't window. And i'm just saying i didn't tell anybody for years. Say daddy and do it for a reason. He didn't do it calls this matter. They matter he did it because he knew were wind will come from. And i think i don't know the whole story on wendell. But from understand. He put his kids through college. I'd heard so. But so that tells me wendell must must've been a little bit smarter. Why people give him credit for but still you know i know window was gonna raise no matter what he wanted to ranks so You you look back at this stuff and you wonder all these peop- not saying but when a top to people like urban roads and dick may he's gone now but To can you remember guy name a can irv when he was working down here four years ago at trump team arc in bar back in thank was his name. They called him to. Can i wanna talk to him. I said europe ceo. Dick naive steel. Even then he said yeah. He said Cities he doing all right and he was living in mobile homes. Things really struck. I mean a lot of people in mobile home but he was really released in march cities. Check was eight hundred and some dollars answering said yes. Say i've seen the check. So i'm just thinking all them years. Dick may raced he. No he drove for everybody. I mean drove five cars one race and i'm thanking manny had a little truck and company got look people got award race really bad to raise to. They can go no further steel. Keep going so you know you can't thank you look at. You can't use it. Love for the reysen is addiction is being smart. But they did what they won't do. It was airline. And that's all it matters but combat dick may driving drove five cars one race up in that house at nashville in eighty i guess was and it was over one hundred degrees when the right started so daring rice. Everybody was getting relief. You have all this heat stuff now. You get a little piece of this stuff like this ass. Best full nabulsi it so heireann about four hundred twenty laps back to our lives and writes. I'm like My radio one working we had a rating we got him from. Billy hagan's karrar. Turn the bonnie's carl hagen. We gotta sit there. Used radios one worth the worst money we ever thought frigging things were we add but trouble out of them. I went out at nashville and used to you. Rub your helmet relief. Yeah say it'd be door push go by and you wrote the top door door. Push top lucia wrote a top. That's when you come and not tightened tightened up and the way on the door saw guy. They pulled me out. I can get out of the car. Fumes they pulled me out. I'm laying over our. They had some water all me and rag on me and five six other people laying down. There were get an they said. This is what. I'm saying sandy. John's i'm confused all sandy. But i think he was with jimmy. Then maybe when the k or some kind of deal like sandy's in are some work jimmy nature his car. Ibm facet one. I said i'm out of and he said can you get in. I said telling me about five or ten laps. Five lives later which is quick nashville and get up. I'm not dizzy. Hit lightheaded so he pulls jimmie out and put me in a car and not jimmy means it was pretty. Hot driver nashville. I got it. I guess it was in my car. Dick may so go out there. Get in. I come bone twenty-five passing my car and got out. But you know why. I got. And i told sandy john lewis got it and he said god bronze thing too hard. But i wouldn't go to run it. The rick and i had to respect got out and say john sandy. Johnson was getting around rice. Right now. Said at dying handle so good. But i didn't know then. Jimmy had drawn so good at national. He knew what to do to the car to get it to work that. But i'm thank ride on sandy you if i'm wrong. We'll know about it was sandy. But i got jimmy's car for about one hundred laps in big bang. Got out and i got back in. Michael knew who was driving. Who that i never get that. It was a mask. So ronnie thomas goes to charlotte in the fall of nineteen eighty-four and he attempts to make the field but he gets bumped basically at the very last moment. Steve he is tried so hard to make a go of it. He gets bumped and after porn everything that he's poured into since nineteen seventy eight and after having so much of an effort put into it by his dad who had been racing for long before that ronnie just sits in the car. I kinda got the impression it was almost like. He was in shock or something where. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in shock. But let's call this a failure. This failure was the culmination of what ronnie thought were several failures during his career. He never could raise the way he wanted to raise. He had the race the way he and his father had to raise. V be madrid. They had to do it this way. Just to make it fair and just earn some money but it certainly was not very satisfied form and at this moment i think it all came down on him. I can relate to being in where you don't know what to do next or trying to figure out what direction you should go in. And that year. Nineteen eighty four was the last year that he attempted to qualify for basically the whole season and after that through his final winston cup star not eighty nine. Ronnie basically just hit a handful of rice's each year focusing instead on racing late model stocks in and around virginia and that would satisfy because in the late model socks he was very competitive very competitive they one just competitive the king of the hill basically wherever he went as right if ronnie thomas poured into the race track. You were basically racing for second place and that was a much better feeling for running a whole lot better than seeing the car. In charlotte fail to qualify. I believe i'd much rather be a bigger fish mall pond exactly then having to go through some of the things that ronnie had gone through and steve. I'm not sure that would exactly fathers under nascar's version of how to win friends and influence people but ryan dow distorted being on the verge of messner race at darlington. He doesn't have an engine and he winds up bar and one from day. Krx and they almost literally throw it in the car at the last minute and they roll across the scales. Oscar bowman barely glances at it before giving them the go-ahead ronnie. Still his hands from helping. Put the engine in the car. As he crawls in the car to qualify it goes out and qualifies and properly knocks ak out of the race as you can. Well imagine didn't exactly take too kindly to that. Ronnie goes to the concession stand by on the crew hotdog or hamburger. They said everything on the roof of the car and they're eating and along comes day k in decay wants wanted engine back now is not very happy. Is it when ronnie tries to say you know. We'll we'll get to a decision. We can or eating launch right now. According to ronnie de que takes his arm and swipes everything off the top of his car. And if this is at darlington. I'm assuming for the southern five hundred it's hotter than blazes in darlington. And if i'm working on that race car all day long as somebody takes their arm swabs my lunch away and i don't get to eat it. I ain't gonna be happy. Pick on me all you want. But don't be messing with my food. Jack say i necessarily agree with the case. Action is there. I can understand him being upset. But why in the heck they lend them the engine in the first place ronnie was going out to qualify. These lent him the engine. Okay running knocked out of the field. But again i say why didn't speak as expected. That might happen if he lent him and engine if he didn't want to take a chance that that might happen. The engine steady. When we got to ronnie's house and christians berg. He gave us some notes about his career and some of the stories that he could tell. And there were what three or four pages of these two or three pages of these. You kind of mentioned to me before we got there and a good friend of he is one of our former staff photographers. It saying chad fletcher had told me about it. But once upon a time in nascar the some of the bigger teams in the sport paid some of the smaller teams. Like ronnie's to bring out cautions. So they could stay on the lead lap or get a lot back or maybe get relief driver in the car under caution or whatever the case might have been and to me. That was a pretty big revelation. Well i'll tell you. This is the first driver that i've ever talked to do. Not only mentioned these kinds of stories but to admit in taking part of them and you know his excuse was what was i gonna do. I mean you had to make the money somehow and so if they came to you asking for safer and told you there was money involved. You had to think about that and you had to do it. I wasn't at their level. I had to do what i had to five now. Ronnie is not the only guy to have done this in nascar skies in media back. Then we're pretty cynical bunch and we saw cautioned that looks suspicious. Look at each other and say well. How much do you think you got for that one. You know that that will all the time but we never published much of it because it no one would admit to it and even buddy arrington a good friend of mine. Everybody knows historic human own years ago. Where richard petty was down. If you ll absent needed to get back on the lead lap. Any attempt to win the race and buddy had just bought a truck from betty enterprise adobo rate. He can't stay out of the hall for some reason. And you're not. Richard made up the dishes well but he never admitted to anything nor did depends but everybody else who is there. That day thought well. This is highly suspicious. Dick brooks had the best quote. He said well. I guess buddy needed to pay for that truck. Real bad said it. This happened and we knew it happened yet. Buddy bought that trump buddy bought that drug. Okay i got you. Yeah he needed it really or buy it. Well ronnie talks to one crew chief and the guy tells you my name's early caution and ronnie's he's like no problem you tell your driver. He didn't even the his seatbelts up. And he spends a nascar. Doesn't throw the caution at first so he just sits there. The caution comes out and ronnie starts back up the next week. Ronnie collects is thousand dollars and gets called to the nascar holler and there were basically two dick beattie's if he called you by your name. You're good to go but if you called you son watch out. He called a lot of people son over the years. I can tell you this another story that ronnie told eddie. Gossage practiced his car at bristol. One day and eighty is now the president at texas motor speedway but before that he was at charlotte and bristol. And i believe he was at nashville wasn't he. I think you're wise. Yeah yeah. I believe it was at nashville. And he also worked as a pr. For bobby. allison well eighty takes ronnie's car track in. Somebody had forgot to fasten. The hood pins and bam happened era come slot up bins the hood oughta pieces and smashes the windshield and i can just imagine what eighties reaction was. I know mine would be. I try to run and hide if a good. Here's another part of that story. If you watch our youtube version of this interview you can say one of ronnie's race cars that he is restored in the background and steve This thing is nice over there. Oh yeah there's not a scratch or dent on it when we finished recording ronnie was talking about his career not quite turn out the way that he might light and i told him the same thing i told you in last week's episode i said ronnie. You've done something. That steve. And i will never do. You've driven in a western cuppers. You've driven in one west cup race much less as many as you have and all the daytona five hundred dollars as iran southern five hundred gironde and just a few days later. Ronnie sands may a message on facebook and he makes me and offer. He's got this car that he is restored and again it is beautiful absolutely beautiful and ronnie says for me to just name a date and he was gonna take that race car to attract in. Let me drive it. That is not good. Well here's the thing in all seriousness. As much as i would love to do that and i've done the driving. School was at talladega bristol in charlotte and atlanta and all those tracks. But i would be absolutely drop dead terrified of something happening to that race car out behind the wheel and i'm not necessarily concerned about wrecking it. I don't know that i'd go fast enough to record but even a scratch on this pristine rice car at pebble coming up off the race track and knocking a little chunk out of the day. Cows are out of the pain or something or maybe hurting the engine or transmission. Or maybe somebody forgets to fasten the hood pants. I know how you feel on. Know how you you so as much as i would love to do that. I did turn that offer down. And i would've done the same thing. Yeah i'll let you know rick. I had an offer like that once or twice in the past years ago and ended up. I couldn't do it then. Most i've ever done is sit in stock car while it is not moving. It's park that's about the only time i've been in one. Have you never done one of the driving schools. No they didn't exist Most of my career now but but for much of my career that did not exist. Now i have been in a race among fellow members. Franklin county speedway franken county virginia near rocky mount. There was a show put on there with about ten or twelve lap press corps race and i started on the pole and man. I was running away from the field. But then that's a story for another day you come home and lettering. This car comes flying by me. Like i'm standing. I've got a half a lap on the field and this car coats flying by me like i'm just doing nothing and i can't believe it. And he crashed in front of me and i slam into his rear end. Well that did something to the car. Because my car started slowing so and finally it stopped in had to be pushed in to the in. Vail now rick. I understand how drivers feel put out of a race by no fault of their own. High was hot man. This guy knocked me silly. And i really hard about it because it put me out of that race. A race hours leading by half black well. It turns out that that guy was driving. What was known as the late model sportsman car back then. No hobby car stuff. So he was naturally much stronger and faster than anybody in the field and the reading. He was in that deal. What's promoter told him to start from here and if anybody starts making this race look bad you go up and mess with them. Which is exactly what he did. I took me a while to calm down. Man i had that race one. But i met the guy and we got to be pretty good friends. Over the years he's been there several stocks for tots with you and me signing autographs. Guys name is peanut termine. That's his name. Good friend would butter by the way but peanut ni- being friends over the years and it all started with that one incident. That was my only time being in an actual race on a racetrack listeners. If you're out there and if you have access to a peanut termine t shirt. I want it. I don't care what. I have to give up to get peanut termine. Oh yeah. I'm signing up for his fan club right now. Another thing that stood out to me was ronnie james relationship with window sky and the reason why to me it stood out is because it wasn't any kind of a diversity initiative or anything like that. Nobody told ronnie in j. that they needed to be friends with one day off they. Nobody told them that they needed to take him under their wing. Ronnie and jay were out of christians. Berg in wendell was down in danville and they were just fellow racers. Nothing more nothing less you know. I talked about earlier books. A couple of weeks going back is that he was the first driver. That interview at the track own brooks was windows. Best friend the two of them race. You get a very bad often and earl was from lynchburg virginia and live the thomas. No one told them they had to go be friends with wendell. They just became friends. They were federal raises. Like the thomas no more and no less. Hello seen volt fans. This is brian from speedway screens. And if you're enough of a nascar historian to be listening to this podcast. There's a good chance of peace of the past you've been on the hunt for is in my shop. I'm constantly on the hunt for apparel and collectibles from all genres and ariza motor sports. So whether it be cup cars dirt modified dragsters or monster trucks of probably got something for you. Check out my inventory at speedway tes. J. dot dot com and be sure to follow me on instagram and twitter at speedway screens for the newest items as soon as they drop in for a peek at what keep for my own collection as a special. Thank you to listen to the show to enter scene at checkout for ten percent off speedway j. dot dot com that's speedway tsa dot dot com steve the july twentieth nineteen seventy-eight issue grand national sane cale yarbrough had a little bit of an off night at nashville are really. This was the western cup tour. Second stop and music city that season and in the first race back in june kale had taken the lead from pole sitter lay pond on the i lab and in that race he went on to lead all four hundred and twenty laps. Just a walk in the park in this race. Lennie pond was on the pole again and again kale took the lead on the first lap. But this time he led only four hundred and eleven laps before taking the checkered flag. Two and a half laps of runner. Up darrell walker. So he gave up the lead for nine hole apps. Well care you have to understand. You're going to have bad days like this when so just take you slow and easy. This was the fifty fourth win of chaos career and it tied him with lee petty for third on the all time list. At that time it was also kale's fifth win the nineteen seventy eight season and it gave him i one hundred and sixty seven point lead over. Benny parsons in the winston cup. Standings kill said. I could have led every lap if i'd wanted to but i just found my pace and tried to take it easy on the car under the walk in the park in other words we talked about this a few weeks ago but that was basically kale's only quote in rob greg's is rice. Lead the rest of the story is pretty much a segment by segment. If not lap-by-lap summer the rice now however rob did follow sidebar. That's pretty much all quotes from different drivers in the field. So i would assume that rob concentrated on pounding out the race lead as the race went along and then once the race was ended. He hit finish. And that was it for the race late and then when collect these quotes and that's pretty much correct rick back. In those days you had to write what we call lee and the lead was as much of a blow by blow description of the race itself that you could get because that was vital to you reader. there was no internet. There was no tv and very little radio. So readers had to know nine who won the race. But how did it. That was the style of times. Chaos said in this sidebar. I wanna win seven national championships. That's one more than richard. Petty has one. There's no way. I can be his win record but i think i can be his championship. Record to which richard responded. You think you can beat my championship record. Hold my s. Teepee and richard went out and did collect his seventh title the following season in nineteen seventy nine so kale ended up with three but they were three in a row. Seventy six seventy and seventy eight. Junior johnson have building chevrolets for kale and nineteen. Seventy seven switched always mobiles in not taste now again. I don't know why you ride a horse to the championship and then swap horses. I don't know why but they swapped mobiles and nineteen seventy eight and kale said you know at the beginning of the season. I didn't think much all the rice car but junior failed. It was a good race car. This is a thinking man's game and junior is a smart man and he has been proven right. The old is the best car on the circuit. And i feel. I have the best team in nascar where he makes the point. Junior thought one makeup call was what he needed to win races. That's why he went to now. It was trudeau. Chevrolet was the car choice for him. I think he and some other teams switched over because they probably bird the dynamics of the car and it's designed kale was asked about the dominance gm products. And he kind of let her rip and his answer he said is not. Gm products have an age is just that the junior johnson tame is better. I can't say how nascar can change the rules. Just because one team runs better. Everybody else should just start working harder. Good point good point but nascar did indeed change the rules when one team at one car got better than others kills not was drum. Roll please the pace car. That's according to nascar. The pace car was supposed to run at a designated speed of thirty miles an hour. That's pretty slow. Really slow on a short track. I don't even know what it is. Now it's say maybe forty five miles an hour. Maybe robert closer to fifty five. Yeah i don't know on a short track but anyway kale said no one got in my way except the pace car. I thought the pace car was gonna stop. I've never seen it like that before. I thought the pace car driver wanted did. Ra's would've liked to get him between two lines and carried him for a laugher too. You know what the moral of this story is. You got to have a decent driver behind the wall. We're doing this again. Arias czar until. I get the case of the pace car. We're gonna keep doing it. The finishing order of this race was pretty interesting. Darrell waltrip was second. Which wasn't that much of a surprise. Given that this was nashville. But richard childress finished third five laps down followed by dave marcus and j d mcduffie in the top five. Benny parsons bobby. Allison dick brooks farrell harris and ronnie thomas rounded out the top ten. Now we'll make that interesting as you got four or five guys in the top ten who are best independent drivers and have no chance at winning a race but they do have a chance to make money if the race is good for them. That's what it was for handful. These guys in the top ten and matt made it a very good race indeed for all of them. Richardson j. d. may duffy were both mcrae retires. Richard said the car handled and worked good. I'm very happy this was the best finish of my career and steve. That was the best finish would ever collect in his career. Third place finish at nashville dave. Marcus finished fourth. And he sadness sidebar. We took four tires at the end because the car was getting extremely loose. We didn't know which side was bad there at the end. I could have passed richard to get third but i would have had knocked him out of the way. I'm not gonna do that though. I pass farren square. And i agree david on that one. The way he race threatened his career is not only beneficial to himself by others. Dave was never known as headstrong. Get out of my way. Type guy. Here is a crazy stat. Jd dusty collected twelve top five finishes in his career. His best finish was a third at malton. New york not taste seventy one and every other top-five finish of his career was fifth so he finished third once and eleven times and for those fifth-place finishes came at nashville music. City was good for jd. Mcduffie song he had to go and get him some wits barbecue and that fueled him up and jd sadness sidebar. I can't remember the last time. Iran so good well. According to race in reference that would have been at north wilkspur and nineteen seventy six. When he finished. You guessed it. Yeah fans of often wonder what it'd be like if some of these independent drivers got a chance to drive some of the top cars. You've talked about that. I'm sure to wonder how you would do. A wonder how he would do. Well for me. One of the guys i talked about doing that was jd magneti. I always wanted to see gay. Be able to raise a top car for several races with the top team and see what he could have done. There were some pretty interesting notes. And rob greg's grits and chitlins column. I will always always always mention that name when i came on board. I got rid of that as quick as i could. According to rob's column ronnie thomas was written engines from daugaard. Did not know that. I did not know that either. And he that he race that season on seventy thousand dollars. So i can't imagine what the rent must have been on one of those things knowing daugaard at the time it was not cheap. Also rick newsom blew an engine in his ford and crash during practice at nashville and in this crash he kinda slammed into a dirt embankment. He was rushed to the hospital for surgery and was in intensive care before being released ten days later in rob wrote in his column newsom as a guy who has had a steady streak of very bad luck running on an extremely limited budget failing to make several events and crashing in many of the ones he made newsom arrived in nashville almost completely broke and when his wife karen visited nashville promoter. Bill donohoe's office following her husband's accident. She had eighteen dollars to her name. Karen at the time was the secretary of the winston cup racing wives auxiliary an donohoe gave three hundred dollars to a fund that was started for her and rake and he said after the race. I gave her my phone number at my house and my office and told her she needed anything to just holler. And this was rick's only tempt in nineteen seventy eight. I guess you had to come back from these injuries. But he did return and he did run just a few races every year. Between nineteen. Seventy nine and nineteen eighty. Six and rick was also evidently a charter pilot. And hey in two other. People died on august sixteenth. Nineteen eighty eight. When the plane he was piloting crashed about a thousand feet short of the runway at the airport in page land south carolina and he was survived by karen and their two daughters and one of those daughters was just three years old stave and the other had been born just three and a half months earlier. Rick news was a nice guy. Very friendly and unassuming but there are times you see somebody trying their best and you think to yourself. You know there's just a black cloud over him. He really shouldn't be doing this. And i thought that. About rick. I freely admit i did. I thought maybe rick Give it up and try something else while it was very very sad the way his career went but given that was just really That he lost his life. The way you did rob wrote in his column bill. Donohoe is not well known for having the biggest heart stock car racing even though he'd help the newsome's after rick's crash nashville according to the story. Benny parsons was going through. A tough spell and ahead actually lived with donohoe and his family until he gets back on his feet. I didn't know that. Yeah according to this issue. There were rumors that donohoe was going to be selling the race track to which he replied anything. I have is for sale except my wife. My kids and my grandchildren. Roger the point kill yarbrough did most of the flying when he was in his private plane but he had hired a pilot. This pilot was right. Clark who'd flown dwight d eisenhower. When eisenhower was still a general in the army again. I didn't know that so flying. Dwight eisenhower flying kale. Yarbrough wonder who is the tougher boss. Finally rob mentioned that sane had received a letter from m. it occur who was a subscriber who lived in yokohama. Japan that's amazing. That is just ask. Japan is crazy. This issue also featured the eighth steve eight part of an interview that jin grainger did with richard petty and i mean this conversation had to have lasted hours because each installment each of the eight installments or absolutely massive new gain grainger. You weren't surprised at this because if anybody could have a lengthy lengthy conversation it was gene grainger. Each of these eight parts were massive. But not only were they long. The print was in like two point type. He must have moved. In with richard and linda for a month or something. But here is my favorite part of this installment. Gene asked richard about why he thought of movies and television shows at the time. And richard said. I've seen some tv programs that would have been rated a double x. When i was growing up and they are on. Tv now they had one on a tv movie about a beauty contest. The girls would come into a room and just take the clothes off really right down to their panties and bra man. We used to have to slip round to say one of them movies. He's right about the tv. And his time. When i was growing up on television a married couple could not share a bed. Yeah they slept in separate beds on television. Boy look at them. Now who. Dick van dyke and mary tyler moore as write beds later richard added. You can go down to the drugstore. Just stand there and look and you'll say more on the magazine covers than wait. Could and we used to look for it. We couldn't find anything like that. If you found a picture of girl with clothes on you saw the back cover now they just turn around and say hey here we are right. He's right we'd better move along and then there was the violence in movies and tv. Richard said when. I go to a movie if those cats get to cuss and raising cain. That doesn't do a thing for me. Naked pull out a gun and shoot a cat without custody i. They've got to put them two or three words in there to make it restricted now. Richard apparently believes shooting first and asking questions later. And as far as george carlin goes it wasn't two or three words it was seven words. Wasn't it steve. And today at seven thousand words and there was a quote in this part of the interview. That almost literally jumped off the page at me. Richard said i remember going to see a movie called. The moon is blue. It was about a woman who was pregnant. it was restricted. And they wouldn't let them show it in a lot of places. All it was about was a pregnant woman. The moon is blue. An entire episode of one of the greatest television shows of all time was built around the characters attempting to get their hands on a copy of this movie. What show was it. And if you don't know i'm not sure we can remain friends. Stay while i know is not the andy griffith show. I'm going with mesh. Yeah it was mash and the episode was called. The moon is not blue and it premiered on december thirteenth nineteen eighty two hawkeye. Bj dot as much of the movie as richard petty. Evidently did they went to all these great lengths to watch what they thought was going to be a mile for live better way to put it. Thought it was going to be a dirty movie and they were sorely disappointed when it finally did play in the mess tent. I've never seen a cleaner movie in my life. There was more filthy dirty. This morning's breakfast now. One of the actors did say for five minutes because everyone was the moon is blue. Starred william holden david niven and maggie mcnamara and was released on july eighth nineteen fifty-three a little less than three weeks. Before the end of the korean war and one side note about the moon is not blue. The mash episode. Sandy helberg play corporal. Bannister in this episode. And he is the father of simon helberg who played howard wallets in the big bang theory. I didn't know that you're amazing. Rick wow i in the king of useless trivia. Got that ride. Hello i'm phil parsons. And you're listening to the scene ball. Podcast steve is would come to the close of this episode. Why don't you go ahead and check the water temperature for me. Wasn't the heck. are you talking about rick. Stay you know. Check water temperature. Okay i got you. I will say this the ronnie thomas interviews. Your water bottle was sitting on that card table. And every time somebody popped into that table that water bottle shaw and i made. It's all over then. I could've beat with the hammer on friday. I had no idea i didn't. I mean it's crazy what a microphone will pick up.

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Quizbeard #41

Quizbeard weekly trivia quiz

16:18 min | 5 months ago

Quizbeard #41

"Celebrity olympians general knowledge cryptic capitals movie remakes and four-letter advent words. These are the five topics. Today's episode said get ready for quiz bed number. Forty one thursday. Hello and welcome back to quiz beard. Your weekly installment of trivia with twenty five questions over five rounds. There are thirty points the play four as you can nominate anyone of your five rounds in which to play your blackspot card which you'll receive at the start of play when you play your black spot. It means that you get double points on or create dancers in your nominated round and remember to declare your black spot before the first question of you nominate round has been asked a rundown of how to play can be found at quiz beer dot com. You can also print your own answer sheets and black spots from the quiz kit page of the website. All you can get hold of the quiz skip book from amazon dot com or dakota uk or wherever you buying it from the website can also tell you how to subscribe to the podcast on different players. And if you can. Please leave review on apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen if you'd like to offer even more support you can help quiz bit. Keep up and running by going to quiz bid dot com slash support to find out how before we start here's a quick reminder of today's round one is celebrity olympians round to is general knowledge round three cryptic capitals round. Four is movie remakes. Round five is four letter advent words. So have i think about which ones fancy your black spots. And let's get on with the questions. Route won't is celebrity olympia ins number one which taza won five gold medals swimming over the nineteen twenty four games in paris and nineteen twenty eight games in the damn number. Two better known as the james bond villain our job in nineteen sixty four goldfinger. The which sport did hawaiian-born herald. T sakata win a silver medal at the nineteen forty eight london. Olympic games number three perhaps more famous for becoming billionaires and suing facebook's mark zuckerberg twin athletes tyler and cameron winkle voss secured sixth place in the olympic men's pairs rowing event in which olympic games number four which. Us army officer famous for leading the forces on the western front in world war two as well as for his rousing speeches and fifth place in the inaugural modern pentathlon event in nineteen twelve a number five which british violinist represented thailand alpine skiing in the two thousand fourteen winter olympics in russia round two is general knowledge number six which city is the second largest in the republic of ireland number seven which british gopher when his third race to dubai title in december. Twenty twenty number. Eight which coffee jane to name from the scrupulous and steadfast first mate of the peak quad in herman melville's nineteen fifty one novel moby dick number nine which entrepreneur. Ceo and charismatic. Pioneer of the personal computer to died in two thousand eleven has been portrayed in film by michael ashton kutcher justin long and no awhile and number ten according to the gospel of matthew. How many people did jesus feed within the five loaves and two fishes route. Three today is cryptic capitals. I'll give you a cryptic clue to a capital city nor would like to do. Is the name the city number eleven. The iron dukes preferred footwear number. Twelve a vhs copy of the life of bryant number thirteen way. You might pay last respects to an automobile before teen. That badly behaved child is made out of magma. A number fifteen. The crooner lost all his money. Round four is movie. Remakes number sixteen based on a nine hundred thirty one. Release which franco zeffirelli film of nineteen. Seventy seven tells the story of an aging boxer struggling to support his young son by returning to the ring number. Seventeen which martin scorsese film of two thousand six is based on the earlier hong kong crime movie internal affairs number eighteen in which two thousand and three heist remake did mark. Wahlberg play charlie croker. A role made famous by michael. Cain the original nineteen sixty nine film. One thousand nine. Which film of nineteen ninety. Six starring robin williams and gene. Hackman is a remake of the nineteen seventy-eight franco-italian film the kaj afo and number twenty which nineteen ninety-one remakes. Robert deniro max katie. A role initially played by robert mitchum in the nineteen sixty two original round five as its leaves christmas. This round is called four-letter advent words. I'll give you a series of definitions and you give the four letter word described. All the answers can be made using the letters from the word advent. That's eighty the anti number twenty one the initial contribution that each player makes to the pot in a game of poker number twenty two. The central area of church number twenty three a depression knocked into an object surface number twenty four and administrator in charge of a division of a university or college number number twenty five europe's highest active volcano right then ancestors today's quiz round. One was celebrity olympia number one. The tars and acted won five gold medals for swimming in the nineteen twenty four and nineteen twenty. Was johnny weissmuller number. Two the james bond villain or job goldfinger was an olympian in the sport of weightlifting number. Three more famous becoming. Bitcoin billionaires and soon mark zuckerberg tyler and cameron winkle secured six place in olympic rowing in beijing. Two thousand and eight number four the us army officer that and fifth place in the inaugural modern pentathlon in one thousand nine hundred twelve was general. George s patton and the five. The british violinist who represented thailand in alpine skiing in two thousand fourteen in the winter olympics was vanessa. Mae ran to the general knowledge round number six. The second largest city in the republic of ireland is cork number seven. The british gulf of that won the race to dubai in twenty twenty is lee westwood number eight. The coffee chain took its name from moby. Dick is starbucks number nine the entrepreneur. co and charismatic pioneer. Been play button. michael fast bend ashton kutcher just inland. No while is steve jobs number ten. According to the gospel of matthew jesus fed five thousand people with five loaves and two fishes round three was the cryptic capitals around. So i give you a cryptic clue and just wanted the name of the capital city number eleven. The jukes preferred footwear his wellington of new zealand number twelve. Vhs copy of the life of. Brian is montevideo. Montevideo montevideo in uruguay number thirteen Way might pay last respects to an automobile is the city of khartoum in sudan number fourteen. That badly behaved child is made of. Magma is breakfast lava in slovakia. A number fifteen. The crooner lost all his money is singapore capsule off. Singapore round. four was the movie remakes round number sixteen based on the nineteen thirty one. Release the franco zeffirelli. Film of nineteen seventy seven boxer Struggling to support young son is the champ. Seventeen the scorsese film of two thousand and six. Based on internal affairs was called the departed number eighteen. The two thousand three heist remake where mark wahlberg play charlie croker previously a role for michael cain with the italian job number. Nineteen the film of two thousand and six starring robin williams and gene hackman remake of kasha. Afo was the birdcage number. Twenty nine thousand. Nine hundred one. Remake starring robert de. Niro's max katie. A in a role initially played by robert mitchum was cape fear and finding round five was the four letter advent words round so i gave you a series of definitions. Annoying you have to do is to give the four letter answer. All the answers can be made using letters from the word advent number twenty one the initial contribution each player makes to a part in the game of poker his anti a. n. t. e. number twenty two. The central area of a church is the nave and twenty three if depression knocked into an object surface at twenty four and administrator in charge of a division of a university or college dean a number twenty five europe's highest active volcano aetna eight t and a. Okay thank you very much for listening. That's it for another week. Please remember to get in touch if you'd like to suggest around and try to include it for next time i'll be back soon with another five rounds until then take care goodbye.

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The Bloody Doors Off

Fandom Zone Podcast

1:39:37 hr | 5 months ago

The Bloody Doors Off

"Hello again everyone. Welcome back to the phantom zone. Podcast of your co host charles skaggs back in the phantom zone ready to talk more of the boys season to even more right now because we've already talked about it so at episode one eighty six. I'm joined by my wonderful co host wonderful friend and someone who was very patient putting up with yours truly nonsense. Right now dj. Nick how're you doing nick. I'm doing what you're getting into the thanksgiving spirits. Even though we don't celebrate thanksgiving over here you know definitely thankful to be here with you today. I want to thank you so much for your heartfelt tweet that you you posted a few days ago meant a lot to me and i'm sure it lot to zanan jesse who i believe you. You named check there as well so thank you very much for that. You're very welcome. Nick and being as you said thanksgiving that i was probably pretty thankful for my wonderful co hosts like you jesse zan of course who make me sound good somehow even when during my usual nonsense and really appreciate all of you and i just wanted to kind of express that right now. There was one of those spur of the moment. Things that you know really should give these wonderful people props on twitter so what. I'm sure i can speak zanan jesse saying it's moving mutual. I'm sure they appreciate. I certainly appreciate you. Show that jesse janson they do. Well i know. I appreciate all of you and like i said i wouldn't be doing this without you guys because you are so wonderful zanan jesse listening that we want to send them a shout out exactly so i understand. Zan sometimes listens to the phantom zone. Podcasts so hopefully she's listing. She wasn't listening when it was just jesse to me but you know now that you're doing the podcast. Well you know some of the. Maybe it's found. Its way into her. Microphone thuds or piqued her interest. A little bit yes. It's the appeal of nick. This is why we brought him on to kind so geared up six said we're gonna be talking the bloody dole's off which you have to say like that right. So this was the sixth episode of the boy season to back on september. Twenty fifth twenty twenty written by unslinging records sin and directed by sarah boyd whose director for the show before and this was pretty interesting episode before he gonna trivia. There are certain episodes of the boys that you know they're fun and they're innovative and and magical but but there are certain episodes. The kind of you know are more the boys and kind of give it a little something extra. Yeah and i think this episode is one of those very much character development. I think in this in this episode. I mean a little back story. Which enriches the characters the very well developed. I think that was. It was great. Actually she kinda take some time to get to more of the behind. The scenes of how certain characters got where they are today. We obviously learn a lot about boys member frenchie in this one including. Hey he's got a first name sarraj so that's nice right. You finally get a little bit of background on frenchie. Who's kind of been you know not wanna say overlooked. I guess but maybe just more marginalized from time to time not one of the major players because we're obviously focusing on all the drama between butcher in starlight huey and all that to you know some of the other members of get lost in the shuffle from true. I'm glad that we actually found out that. He was christened sash. And not frenchie because you know pokes kids the weirdest names i mean you can even check with frank zappa as much as i love. Frank zappa he gave his kitson. Brady with names. You mean like moon unit. Perhaps just so. Hey don't be surprised if somebody christian decades frenchie but yes sarah alley girl phalle eager and you want the streaming. Frank zappa this. Actually ty nice to meet women. Get to a certain calculates around. But we're gonna keep that here for now shows all right sounds good. That's a good tease. But what i wanted to say was savage. Made me think of the bow sash which is actually a great form film. I'm actually founded the new wave or novell as they seem for in french so so made me think about who it nice savages a nice name. you know. Look at look at parlaying his from say a little bit here. Five years of french at school will have to pay off. I kinda think you know my parents were kinda beat me black and blue but you haven't done liquor frencham five years of well. At least we gave you that. That platform to to put that to good use erin so Little bit of trivia before we get started our topics the bloody doors off title comes from the boys issue. Sixty sixth through seventy one which was the final major storyline from the boys. And as i've we've talked about here on the podcast that it's another episode title taken from a storyline holding in my hands here very nice volume twelve of the original boys trade paperback series. So this story. Because of it's the culmination of a lot of subplots and a lot of other storylines that preceded it. I can't really talk about it because it would be a massive spoiler. What happens in this. you know. The boys only ran seventy two issues. This cover sixty sixth through seventy one so needless to say. This is the climax of the series. So i'm gonna have to burn the midnight oil to get there fast. Is that what. You're saying. Joe's since i think they probably it probably even more so once i t's that well hey this just happens to be the final meeting between butcher and huey and i'm gonna just leave it there guy for me. Granted we didn't get much of a social life under kobe's but still smidgen the social is gone where you got anything else better to do lockout. I don't think so at this time and place a definitely not so. I could probably actually. I'll have to rachel and zanu not podcasting for a while reading the boys dago lee after zone that's required. It's all right so yeah you definitely want to check that out. But i don't want to spoil it if if you're someone that is familiar with the story line you know what i'm gonna say. So there's no point me spoiling it all over again but if you're somebody who hasn't read the comics you don't wanna know you wanna be able to appreciate that moment so i hope you don't go on the internet. Look this up because for one thing they may not even follow it because sometimes they don't follow the comics here on the boys so may not even be what you know what actually happened in the books. So we'll see what happens but the chances it is. You don't want to spoil the ruin your reading experiences. I don't want my renews. Experience ruined there. You go and also the bloody dole's off was a reference to ensure. Nick knows this because hey we've already talked about it before nineteen. Sixty-nine comedy film the italian job. So this is the original version of the film and after seeing his colleague detonate explosives. That destroys an entire van. Charlie croker a character played by the great michael. Cain is indeed tastic. Our and of course batman fans as alfred pennyworth in the christopher nolan batman films pretty much any no the movie i guess or or austin powers dad or negligent dead as it turns out enjoys of course for you joys right there you go there go or inception yup or other. Christopher nolan movie because he's like his goto actor right right. Yeah so anyway. Charlie croker states in the movie. You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off in regards that van. That's where the title comes from it. Apparently garth is it really. It was a line that really resonated with garth ennis so this The storyline from the comics was like well. You're only supposed to blow up a little bit and you end up blowing the whole thing up so it's a good metaphor now also from the comics if you're wondering about a certain character that gets introducing this story. This episode love sausage. We're gonna be talking more love sausage. In the complex he's a character named vasily vazza. Vora shinkin a russian ex cop extinct commander ex superhero communist and also an owner of a bar in moscow who has a penchant for beverage made from brake fluid that he somehow passes office vodka. So yes you're russian moonshine. A basically basically basically so so he's essentially like. He's a very gregarious. Outgoing character in the comics gets along with the boys. Very friendly kinda like this big dilute to use an american term and his powers of the conches are that he's he appears to be superstrong and durable but apparently because of shall we say his endowment yes exactly being dowd. Yeah he's got a little A pretty large package. Shall we say that he's carrying. He can't run straight whenever he's aroused and apparently says large. Female breasts are as kryptonite. Yeah so very fun character in the comics but very different here in this episode. And we'll talk more about that when we talk more love sausage. Yes it's always fun to say love yes and got sexy whereas my frank zappa reference will come into play. Charles okay very cool very cool all right so we have four topics today topic number one. Let's talk frenchie flashbacks because we get a series of flashbacks in this episode. That thankfully relate to the main story as good flashbacks should and we learned a lot about more about frenching. The process like i said including his first name shares so we probably should run these down. Yes so we talk about them because it kind of covers a certain period leading up to the present day where we kind of find out. Essentially how frenchie hooked up with the original incarnation of the boys and how he met greece mallory and so on and the others so So when we start off this episode we due to flash. We have a flashback to eight years ago where we have frenchie in his apartment. Getting high shock his mates and possibly fellow members of a certain. Menagerie twat nicely. Put shaw cherie and j look on and fritz. She's going on in a very Tarantino esque way about the golden girls and talking about that kept him going while i was on the streets so Take a deck that you appreciated This little kind of pop culture reference that the pop culture obsession. That fritzy has for this. Shall we say you know standard network television sitcom. Yes you what chose. I've seen probably one episode of golden girls pretty much. I mean my grandpa was a big fan of the time by the extra kinda got to see one episode. But yes i did kind like if you will the tarantino nodes which was kind of fun the fact that kept him going while he was on the streets and you think to yourself s. american television. I'm sure other things on as well. Aside when golden goes and. I'm sure you have a remote. You can switch. The channels are like twin peaks. Perhaps maybe what you're hitting in. I'm guessing not yeah. Good catch there. And actually i loved it and i think it was kind of a tarantino meets danny boyle because once again my trainspotting references coming here and eventually and we will. We will have to. I'm to you. And i may be on the podcast. We have to talk about your viewing experience trainspotting. But i know. I know it's on my list. I'm getting get to swear. I promise i will hold you to that. All right yes. It was kind of a tiny boil meets towns union. Because obviously these folks are doing nothing. Will david getting high like. How do they get make their income to buy the drugs and stuff they just robbing banks in getting probably dealing as well thing yeah side. Yeah 'cause i guess that's what we gathered is frank. She kind of made his way as a pusher indeed there on the streets and to get where he was because this seems like actually a pretty nice apartment but it seems like a decent apartment but but yeah and and i don't think we've ever seen frenchie soba to be honest. I wonder though constantly. Oh so now. I have to do this because you brought that up on. I gotta go to the soundboard there. You go just for you. dick thank you. i had to bring up. But do you think reacts. You've ever seen aside from these interrogations french she's ever radi soba. Say because he's so outgoing so if you know if he isn't high i mean he might be just a naturally kind of upbeat person. Yeah but but if he is high constantly that's gonna be one hell of a comedown right eventually. That's going to. It's going to be pretty brutal whenever he ends up going through withdrawal but for right now he seems to be at least. He's a high functioning addict. I guess yes that's true and we of course we get jay which you mentioned obviously we don't see imprison days. Yes something must have happened to this guy which is probably why he's not around. No yep but Apparently doesn't happened in this episode as we find out. We'll talk more about that here in a minute. So so that's kind of like our introduction continuity wise to to frenchie we pick up A little bit later not sure exactly how far later but in another flashback. We have grace. Mallory coming to interrogate frenchie. Who has been arrested and is sitting in a police station which could very well from the scene. Where french is about to breaking. They brought to break into the To the institute and fringes like. I never get caught flash back to him in cops yep so i guess that was a complete lie. Needless to say so. She confronts him about his arm robbery charges because well hey they decided well you know we wanna go rob a bank. Who wants to rob a bank right. So it's again. It's a very almost tarantino esque kind of thing that they went off to to rob a bank and he got busted and so now he's facing twenty five years in the slammer in prison. But grace as it turns out is very impressed with frenchies engineering ability to counter a superpower. And so she offers him a way out of this. She says well you could. You can either do twenty five in the slammer where he could work for me and fred. She doesn't really go for that. At first he denies you know her offer refuses it so she makes him another one and she threatens to lock up his friends. Cherie j at a supermax security prison. Unless he works for her and this one he he also kind resists at first but ultimately he cares about his friends and he goes along with it. Yeah i mean i guess. The deal-breaker is keeping company with folks like the aryan brotherhood's and folks of this nature and yes j. would probably not do well in the company of the aryan brotherhood's and cherie you think is being a gorgeous gorgeous woman that she is. I wonder you know she hurts. You probably i mean. I'm sure she can defend herself. But don't see having a good time with those kind of people either now. Orange is the new black as they say. That's meet up with the hyper of the situation. Exactly so So we pick up a little bit later for the say five years ago now so sometimes three years after this doing the math we see mother's milk showing frenchie and engagement. Ring telling him that he and his girlfriend Are getting engaged. He plans to propose in so grace's there so this isn't we kind of see the first incarnation of the boys that took place. You know the original team. I guess before the series started the two things to say about this first off. I'm so glad that butcher changed his hairstyle as time went on because there with the kind of licked cow look. It's like a cowgill all back like that. Don't suit you. Butch looks much better now. Secondly being of the part of the latin culture is a little bit. More bedhead is what. You're telling me. Because i kind of spiky kind of look i because he's yeah y- kia going on your house. I i used to do my hair up that the way. The butcher hasn't now when i was a drummer in the band and have has spray. Your drummer is indeed. I used to. I used to play the drums to lindy very very cool. I i actually. I was in the glam rock band for a couple of years. So i had the hairspray in the eyeliner and everything very embarrassing pictures on facebook of me in my hand metal days though i need to see those pictures to see but yes i was kind of i kind of had the billy bush and going on to a certain extent of and granted. We're talking colorblind. Genetic there's no but but that it's pretty close pretty close but that said thank you. John was very big compliment. But that said it was. It was great to kind of get to see this as being of the latin persuasion. Being italian in the french and the spanish in europe with the three big latin coaches an italian exactly the same reaction high own notes to the news of your buddy getting married. Like oh big hugs. Everyone's gonna pa. The we're planning the stag party and everything that and that's why i could relate to fringe in that moment and i loved it and that's one of the things i find interesting about his character. You know he's so likable. Amazing even if it only when we talked about this that he hangs out with so shall we say unsavory characters very much. So yes the worst of the worst of the worst. These undesirables these narrative wells. Take your pick wherever you want to. However you want to describe them but but he seems a little bit more of a An idealist a little bit that he has very upbeat personality. He seems like he wants the best for the world. And for those around him he re jeffey cares for people. Yeah and so. It's kind of interesting This character and we is great to that. We finally learning more about him. True in this in this in these flashbacks Much needed in my opinion. So we so while this is going on. A character named lamp lighter shows up and this is lamp. Bladder played by shawn ashmore. Who may be slightly familiar to x. Men movie fans as iceman and of course you found the following is well. He did a great job. That said charles. I'm a huge fan of that. You found the following. I am not a fan of following but my mother in law is a huge favor of the following because she is a huge fan of kevin bacon and so shall we say slightly fanatically upset with kevin will have come to the Up my wife lori complement me. Here's a part of the biggest or so they tell me so we here. Yeah exactly so but So so layup ladder shows up. And i find it interesting. That shawn ashmore after playing. Iceman is now kind of playing a more pyro. Ask nice very well played right like so. You know with the whole lighter and everything so so lab ladder in this. I guess he shows up in costume. So he's got like the torch going like a very almost druidic. Yeah medieval medieval kinda. That's that's a great description Torch that he's carrying in this. The leather hooded robe. Like something out of aero. Perhaps i was expecting to that. You have failed city. Yeah pretty much right. We'll have avoid on data and felicity nattering his ear. I guess so so. Grace talks to lamp lighter and apparently there's a she's trying to threaten him for some reason that we don't really know about that that apparently she's trying to range that he's to he's a member of the seven and that he's apparently going to tell grace in the boys everything that's going on at the tower and he's seemingly she seemingly. She's threatening him with some photos. Apparently some blackmail fotos now being suspicious. Mallory orders french follow lamp lighter after leaves and free. She agrees to do that and racist him. And then the scene cuts and we kind of shift back to the present day where we find out some more details about what happened. What transpired after that in. Apparently it's caused a lot of animosity between frenchie and grace as a result. Yes which was actually alluded to. I believe in season one. Because i believe french. She brought up the lamp lighter story. Saying you know this is going to be lamp lighter all over again and So i teased it so much like. When do we get to find out. More about this lamp lighter character chose. I believe you mentioned that lamp. Lighter is actually not present in the comics. Yeah it's it's interesting that yeah limp ladder you know for is more of a character that i would probably describe as he's he's more of a frame of reference than an actual character in the comics. People mentioned him mention things that he's done but we only get to see him here and they're very very little in the comics so his president is like a waiting for godot assay. Even rebecca in the hitchcock film. Rebecca yeah yeah. I think that's a great comparison seriously because he yeah he he just seems like it's people talk more about him than actually to him in a series so you feel the presence but you don't see him if you will right you know we we kind of feel more the effects of things that he's done more than actually seeing him. Do those things. So we pick up with another flashback. Where should we cherie calling frenchie telling him that. Jay is dying from you guessed it an overdose yep so Frenchie who as we member is supposed to be following lamp lighter instead ditches. The assignment and goes to be with his friends so he chooses his friends over his commitment to the boys once again a combination in various hot is in the right place. Exactly exactly so which kind of shows a little bit though of a good person. That frenchie is that he's more loyalty people than causes. Yeah which is good So but apparently So he goes to help revive jay and we find out that apparently that because he wasn't he was with jay instead of lamp lighter life lamp lighter that night apparently burned a bunch of kids and the whole thing with sideways has created that animosity. Because frenchy wasn't there to either one stop it or to at least report about what was going on about it. Yeah and chose you i. Vc addiction is a terrible thing and it can lead to terrible things but it's almost as an insult to injury off. The french is revived him with the adrenaline. Because of course and good drug den has a dreaded and but looking at you pulp fiction exactly. Oh once again. You're trainspotting. But what i think is tad insult injuries. We find out the n. Died three months later an overdose which kind of adds insult to injury situation when he could have been elsewhere in japan. It's been haunting frenchie. Ever since and it's he made that he made a good decision but ultimately it was kind of a futile result because of that it's caused this. This strain their relationship with grace and caused that friction. Now that that the team in especially frenchie is having to deal with the present day when friend. She is has revived. Jane is about to walk out the door. Saying i'll be back soon and stuff where you cool with. What french did that. Point and jay. I'm outta here. i've got stuff to do or would you have a where you more insuries bowl. Pock saying he should have stayed. It's a good question really. I'm more inclined to say that he probably did the right thing. Now obviously that's causing some some ramifications down the road. But i think he did the right thing and you thinking sherry must be a responsible adult. I knew i. She is at that point either. Well cherie can watch as easily as frenchy could. That's why i don't know. I mean as much as i know the best friends but i'm thinking news like him leaving him alone. I'm leaving him with cherie. So i can kind of go about my business. I don't care. I'm not leaving to die. There's somebody watching over him. So that was my. I was just wondering because i'm sure they are. They are people like also talking about this. Like he shouldn't have gone or he should have stayed. You know it's one. Those is a positive. If you will say it's a it's a conversation piece within the episodes. Well you know if Li listeners out there listening to our podcast. Thank you for doing so. You got an opinion on this once you write to us and we'll tell you how to do that baiter after we finish our discussion so stay tuned because we'd like to know your thoughts on this one all right all right anything else about frenchie before we move on. I think we're pretty much parents. Go that i just love the fact that we got some more bones to this character that is already so loved on the show and flashbacks. Done right chows. Unlike with aero right air was probably the worst episode after dinner. Episode arrows probably the worst offender of this The recent memory because there is so many flashbacks that were so unnecessary in that show and didn't really to the present day at all. You're like this is furthering. The plot it was more. Like the case and i know we're digressing a little bit. But it was more of a case where they I wanna say that they. It's almost like they were obligatory flashbacks. That he felt he had to do. A flashback whether it mattered or not because that was their gimmick is. Oh yeah we're on. The flashback trend more flashbacks. Right down and we'll see how that worked out right all right. So let's move on topic number two. Let's talk about the other members of the boys including frenchie and their encounter with lamp lighter in the present day at the sage grow center and also running into a character by the name of love sausage so so Yeah because apparently the team's mission in this is to after getting some intel from starlight that storm front hat store fronts. Laptop has a bunch of emails between her and stan edgar about this facility. The stage grow center and specifically talk about. How they're close to a breakthrough. Whatever that is the team the team decides well. Maybe we need to go. Look at this place you need to check it out so they kinda stage in opt to break into the facility and try to get some information and also retrieve anything relevant important potentially of a blackmail nature i'm guessing and That could be used to expose their activities. So they stated his opt to break in and They with an. It's interesting because the boys do this with star lights help so starlight kind of officially kind of joins. The team almost which is kind of interesting. Because obviously she's still a member of the seven. Have i to receive assignment on team boys if you will. So what did you know them thinking about. What did you make of that. I mean we're gonna talk more about starlight later in third topic. But but i kinda wanted to talk a little bit about her interaction with the boys breaking into this facility. It was kinda like seeing we here the second time because she is very much in inverted commas agreeing whole when it comes to stuff the boys do. And because i obviously starlight and huey very similar in that regards never killed anybody clean lebron regular stuff or etcetera and she probably why they got on with each other. No surprise exactly. I mean it's the track but if you have some of the traits that will attract to of goals but but it was it was i in fact i was so curious to see. How is the newbie going to fit in with these rough and rugged characters who have seen who flirted with death and disaster multiple occasions so you think this house is going to play out and now in starlight having a christian background she would be comfortable doing the shall we say slightly immoral activities. A little bit and he's like okay. Stop at a soup on our side. She's going to help us. But here's the thing chows. They use her to burn through the m the gate if you will. Whoa the which offense offense. Thank you and your and you see. The scorch marks on people are going to say. There's no way it's not super happens if super naturally you think unless they it looked like a perhaps a acetylene torture something. i'm like. Oh this was done by a blowtorch idea. I don't see that bates like would figure it out. Is what even screens and everything. I was like not very discreet. But that's just me but doesn't it also you have to think that hey their cameras all over this facility right. That's right it's like you know blanking out anything so something. Somebody must have caught something on tape. You think yes that's right but that aside you know it was. It was interesting to see. Because we know how butch fuse about soups and emerald talk about this as we progress in the this review but i think that deserves its own segment the confrontation. There's because there's kind of a back and forth confrontation throughout the episode your clean starlight and butcher and you wisely decided to make that topic in fact i think it definitely deserves talkin about but yeah. And then they get to the year two they. They're able to enter. And i don't know i got this kind of auschwitz by charles are being. I went to that megyn because like experimental. Joseph mega thing going on yeah. The angel of death looking at the angel of death for sure because the fact that these experiments on people burning the evidence. I'm like yes. I went to keio tras. Wealth the super soldiers. You know so it's m. k. o. tra- meets love that. You know that well actually going from the band's for ko traded brands. And i was like that's the thing then aim from no. Yet and it was super soldier. Experiments meets nazi death camps. That's the way. I kinda perceive it i mean. What did you make of that whole so. Probably probably in london lines of it well. It's the red skull. Super soldier program is exactly. Yes i mean. What do you make of that whole. So what you know ethic. It's very interesting because this facility. We find out that they. These are kind of Adults that were giving compound v. Yup not given not giving it to them as children so as a result some of them have very untraditional powers. Or they're either not in control of their powers or they're just Psychologically unfit to be used as super soldiers or superheroes by bought so consequently they're kind of just kept away hidden away from the world here. The locked away in a lot of places in those unfit alliterate burns right. And those that are they're kind of also being used. As part of the continuing experiments we find out to refine compound v and develop it so that it'd be better used by vodka to make more super soldier super super heroes and apparently supervising. This is none of them storm front right which should raise like every red flag. You have imaginable right. If you thought she was a nazi. Yeah pretty much right so yeah so getting your mangle on and It's it's not good. Needless to say so yeah so apparently. She's she's the one kind of connecting working with lamp lighter. Lamplight the onsite person overseeing this program which is why he's no longer officially a member of the seven he's now he's now in charge of this facility and in fact because i believe he star lights took his place and the actors with similar powers because i suppose marketing wise they have to have the the guy that has the firepower of the light hours light. Exactly yeah so. I suppose that's why she fitting into cobra from the from lamp lighter that whole human torch thing maybe or star fire if you will a little bit higher from from a marketing standpoint yet probably works pretty well so so the team breaks in and they run afoul of assorted prisoners including like well. Hey this one prisoner cindy who breaks out of her cell and apparently she can just Just completely crush things with her mind. This is a competitor. Catella kinetic powers in is to the nth degree. Right so it's kind of like the harsher use of telephonic powers. Right this is it just like moving up a coffee cup across the room. This is more like well. Hey i'll just take this guard here. And i'm gonna crush him chris head. It just clenched my face boom. He's place pretty much and so so. Yeah there's a whole big sequence where cindy gets out a little bit lamp liars trying deal with her and pleads with cindy to let him live while the boys meanwhile try to convince city that will. Hey we're on your side. You should be working with us and we'll get you out of here but But cindy's like not sure who who to believe there. She sees she sees the suits as well. 'cause obviously they are putting costumes to blend in with the with the staff and ends like dress because she has obviously beef with lamp lighter. And he's like oh you say you're not his friends but you addressed like him and so she agassi. I guess makes psychological connection of suits bads either like these people and that's why she turns on him. Yes she ends up leading the prisoners out and kate wacky chaos ensues as the whole place goes into lockdown mode and. I'm actually surprised. This character was invented for the tv show. I know he. She has in the comics. She's something different. Yes and another parody. Playing her is likely supervisor of the stunt crew because she's a stuntwoman apparently. Oh i didn't know that. Because i was actually reading it a little bit and notes about this anything. She's like the supervising stuntwoman in this in the show. And so she's a that's and so they got to play this captain. She does so well. I read it was. I don't know why. Charles maybe shaved heads but it made me think of how many maybe think of hammerhead with with powers they kind of take so to our doom patrol discussion days. Doesn't it tightened talk so many more check out. Talk the titans so They come across later. An asset vomiting patient who knocks lamp lighter down almost melting. His face kimiko sampler from the patient. So he's like okay. I guess i'll go along with you and get you that access code to get out of here and so we have another patient pleading with butcher and starlight not to let them get hurt and you know the so essentially this whole episode turns into a base under siege episode. That's right where we have the characters as i remember keeping my they're still on mission here. They're trying to get information on the facility so they ended up going to like this security room or something to get in. Get some Records or something from there. I can't remember exactly what. And meanwhile one of the things that that goes on as their kind of locked away they ended up having this conversation lamp lighter and frenchy about the event that happened in the past and limp. Later tells frenchy well hey. I didn't know that there were kids in the bed when i set it on fire. Yes i was intending. To burn grace mallory. Not the kids and so lamp lighter calls frenchie out and says well you can stop me since you were supposedly following me that night right. And that's where we find out that no he was somewhere else taking taking care of j. Yeah and that's when we so. He then reveals to feed people like mother's milk. That's where he was and then in fact it was so the jaden die of overdose a couple of months later and like. Why didn't you tell us it wasn't your kind of cross to bear. It wasn't the most. You'll volt kind of reveal that the regardless of how long french in a minimum of known each other. There's still a lot of things that they don't know about each other which is always an interesting interesting point. Yeah i mean they've been obviously working together for closely for years but but they still have secrets they keep from one another. Which is it was an interesting money. Up yet is so being the boys being the key particular. Tv show things take an interesting turn. i so suddenly as they're locked away in this room a giant elongated penis breaks through a window and proceeds to choke mother's milk. So i felt at mmediately felt horrible for mother's milk. This is happening to him. Yeah we find out you know this. This is This is essentially the boys. Td version of love sausage. So like i say completely version because the back of the convex left sausage may have had shall we say certain endowments but did not have an elongated penis that was stretchable. Kind of like mr fantastic's or elongated bands or plastic man. Hey they they went the extra mile literate. This was a plastic dick. Okay the hashtag plastic dick this. Actually that here is where my frank zappa reference comes into play jobs because there is a song. Frank zappa which is actually an italian coated thing go. I'm mean jetta which means i have a big penis to put it cleanly. so yes. Frank zappa even wrote songs in italian Heritage but yes interesting interesting so so you can sing that for us. Get you know. I couldn't i mean papa back recited basically in going on progreso dingo naming get on discounting. Oh interesting all right. Well great. I guess i guess everybody can look that up on the youtube and check that out later was actually pulled over while listening to that song so i have to ask. What was your reaction to this. This this moment where a giant has just breaks through the window for one appeanas breaking through a window and then to trying to strangle mother's milk. Okay who is very big powerful dude. Okay i have to be honest. I'm not a fan of kind of pure out humor as i mentioned the next up. Everywhere you know what have you. But you know. And i've actually seen stuff this crazy on scary movie if folks will recall and maybe the i absolutely hate which i was. I was kind of forced to watch in a drunk stupa. A with folks one evening at a party and their carry the parody movie of screen by the way has in fact the scene where a penis goes all over the place. And i'm like okay. This is scary movie all over again. So you know what charles hydros road with. I just said thank the lord. It's not breast milk. I guess thanks for small mercies right. That's true this episode. We don't get a breast milk reference. So i'm actually happier. But i bring on the dome gated penis. It's fine with me as ridiculous as it might be. But it's the boys you know. Yeah exactly they've talked so thankfully can meco pushes through the door knocks love sausage with a pair of brass knuckles so and save the day. Save them so that's good right so So we find out that. Apparently you the after all this after they escaped the facility a grace confronts frenchie and he tells her that well hey. I knew that i wasn't welcome at the funeral. But she doesn't care about that at all. All she wants is lamp player. Is they've got lamplight that's all. She's focused on. Who apparently in the back of navy lance gray strasbourg gonna on him and land players suggests that they both be like. Let's just get this over with. Let's just you know He's like my misery right because they've they've been burned by this for so long. Never ended exactly what you say that right so cheapie doing of affair like you said now. Interestingly frenchie speaks up at this moment and begs for lamp lighters live saying it won't help grace and she'll just be ending lamp lighters which causes grace to lower gun and wondering what they purdue what frenchie proposes to do with lamp bladder now instead of killing him. So what did you make a frenchie standing up for lamp ladder. Will i you know. I can see both arguments because off. I suppose having talk to lamp lighter because he museum kind of labeled him as a child killer bickers burnt these kids but then lamplight goes out. Saying i didn't realize they were kids. Granted that does not make you any less of a murder of innocent people be adults or children. Of course you care with children. it's even worse by think. Franci understood that he killed these. I think what what what irks french-ill towards angus in so is that he killed children and he thought this most out of pleasure because he knows people like homeland who won't bright think twice about killing kids. If they're in the way and so i can see why would stand up from. I suppose maybe it could be the argument of your only. What are you going to get if you killed him. What satisfaction is it going to give you. The you've killed the guy you killed him. Is it going to bring your kids back. The answer is no. But i think that's. That's the argument. He's trying to make is do you lower yourself to the level of the execution of the murder of your people. It's i mean. Granted very discussion. But but again it's also friendship being the idealist here. Yes that the. There's he sees an alternate solution here. He's not just looking for revenge. Interestingly enough now exactly like we can like you know like turned a blind eye and let grace kill him. Yes i think he was. You said yes you as being pragmatic about it saying we could use a chat like this in the grand scheme of things so it could be both the idealism of your lowering yourself to the level of the merger of your family to this guy has potential. Let's use him for other things to get revenge on the system. If you will the gonna listen to the constantly. High frenchman right. Of course these the guy with good advice. Apparently it's very shakespearean. The fool is the one who tells the truth. I guess to us having no nice very nice reference. Look a nick being all sophisticated here with a shakespearean reference interesting right so anything else about this topic before we move on now though was a problem factor was so happy to see shawn ashmore again because he is a breen acta no matter what he does and i remember the time. Oh my goal. that's true nash. More and so. I was so happy to see him again soon. I'm pretty much talked out on this one and this you had anything else chows no i don't i don't all right. So let's move on topic number three and this. Is we kind of tease. This a little bit already starlight and butcher which i thought like we talked about deserved its own segments because now obviously these are complete opposite personality Starlight butcher and when starlight shows up at the beginning of this episode when she first started hanging out with the boys in this episode she goes to their safehouse and knowing that she's being tracked frenchie cuts out the tracking chip out of her neck as hueys looking and huey nanny or trying to pass themselves off like well. We're just friends now and french. He's not buying one wit and he's working with this cutter too. Well hueys trying to keep the bleeding down until he finally gets the chip out not to mention here. He can't play down too much right there with his friends. Oh no i love it. Yeah it's it's typical huey. He's very cool about it. And obviously he still is showing deep feelings for her. Yeah at this point and then. I don't think that's gonna change. But wow this is going on butcher kind of giving the side i from across the room and making comments here and there to the point where starlight confronts butcher about. You know she. She starts an argument with him about asking. Why does he hate soups so much and she. She really gets on his nerves. She tries to push his buttons really. She tries to compare to home lander before they can kind of continue this discussion. They get interrupted when storm front shows up the facility. It seems like schumer wants to get a rise out of him right. I mean i don't know if that's her intention. But it seems like she's crying to get a rise out of him. Well starlight has this very jaded perception of butcher knowing how which are treated hughie and butcher. Meanwhile doesn't like starlight because one. She's a soup in too because she's involved with yui. Yeah so there's this this butting of heads between these two and it's not until later in the episode where after hughie gets injured severely. They're desperate to get him to a hospital. Yes so they hailed down his car to get help for huey and the man inside the car gets out threatens butcher with a gun which big mistake right and instead of butcher doing something about it. Starlight uses her powers to push him away but accidentally kills him in the process. So this is a big moment for her. That she's in accidentally caused this humid's death she's lost her virginity if you will when it comes to to the killing thing. Yeah i have to use that reference. Charles because i mean it's it's and i know that's what came to mind just like huey in season one right or to use a certain title from the first boys major storyline. She kinda lost her cherry. When it comes to killing. That's right and so it's i guess she's virginity and no surprise. Her reaction is similar. If you will to hear his grunts okay. Here's like in total shock. I think she's initially she. She says new in the car. I would have cried. Had it been some time ago. I would've broken it's this. She seems to internalize that moment. Yeah well i think at this point. She's after being sexually assaulted by the deep and knowing what she knows about the knowing what she knows that you know being confronted by in threatened by home lander that. She's lost a lot of her navy today. It's almost like another day. The office how almost right and interestingly in an almost seems this is something that kind of gets addressed in this episode. That in a weird way butcher in any kind of bond with one another because they kind of have a they kind of find common ground here talking about you to end the in a lot of ways there are a lot of like as it turns out true and even though it initially starlight points out that some homeland and butchering not so different in york. She says has been on. The minds of a lot of viewers is human home nandor not so date so different the two sides of the same coin. It's curious that they seem to be bonding over huey. Because obviously discussing the little anecdotes about the fact that he uses children's shampoo or the hughes axe and. Hey if she says being diesel smells like tell vin diesel that he uses accent. I wouldn't say i muster up. The courage tobin diesel. He uses a bad deodorant seriously but maybe email event from from a distance. I don't know like act. Sox vin diesel. Well it's kind of generally know that access but sorry acts. Don't sue us so but but it's kind of weird because they bond in the kind of come disagreement that well. Neither of them is good. Enough for huey young person in right raisings. Yeah obviously we talked pre and our previous episode. We talked that. Butcher has an affinity for huey. Because he's kinda like his brother. Yeah that's right. And anne feels that you know she because of her experiences. Maybe she doesn't deserve to be with huey even though she was just snowboarding. I think is just as noble as right yui if you will. But she fears. I think now that she's almost tainted having experienced what she experienced with. The seven and having just recently killed somebody for the first time. She fuels tainted compared to huey granted. Kyrie's actually killed people himself as we've seen in the previous season but but but also i don't think any has seen that she hasn't seen him kill anyone and he hasn't told her right. So so maybe that will come out. Eventually we'll find out yeah Maybe can help one another with that. You never know. Just just stay tuned. But but i thought it was very interesting these two and if it's kind of weird that this accidental death actually brings these two to at least some sort of common ground like i said some sort of more like a compromise. I guess where they were they they kinda detente if you will well. She's kind of missed earned her boys credit in the his credit. Yeah the street cred. Yeah exactly and not just because of the death. But the way that she's processing the devon in handling it may be going afforded to her knees and cried aids butcher probably would have not given it at the time of day but the fact that she pro says is it the way she does in the caw and everything else i think. Yeah so it sounds like. She earns a little bit of his respect. Yeah in fact she actually calls him on it saying they're looking at me like that. We kind of respect. I don't want that look. Yeah but he's still giving it anyway. I guess so so. It's it's kind of a mutual understanding that they reach here and we'll see where it goes because you can certainly turn the tables on how butch of you soups. That not all soup so bad but now it's also a question of well. How does this accidental death. This exit murder was the ramifications. Wh how does it affect any going forward Yeah we'll see what happens right so anyway. It's just that was Something we should really focus on for a little bit. It was all right topping number four. Let's talk about you guessed it homeland. There wouldn't be a boy's discussion without homeland. Eric and this season certainly that one without storm front. So are two crazy kids after hooking up in the previous episode well are literal power couple. Decided kind of you know. They're kind of in the throes of whatever it is that they're doing. I don't want to call love lust at this point. Maybe it's love for homeland. And maybe not so much for I from but we'll get into it. Yeah we'll see how plays out but so they go do what you know Couple does go fight crime right so they catch a robber. Episode begins and they They kind of flirt with one another while they're debating about what to do about this bad guy. She's happy grouping. let's be honest. Yeah that's a pretty. But she's feeling about stroking his genitalia through his pants and home later understandably getting quite aroused by this and apparently to the point where as he climaxes home later crushes the robbers head and so blood sprays all over again. Remember this is the boys so comes with the territory right of course so blood is spraying all over them. And you know see that direct metaphor for what just happened of course and they just continue to make out and get star frank. It's really turned down by this to the point where they start having sex in an alley way. The same alleyway covered in blood. The dodge of sex and violence probably here is probably probably is suitable. Yeah so so. Obviously things are going famously with these two right. Now they're doing they're just fabulous right. Wanna yep sure it'll turn out. Well they'll big deal right so later though well storefront is off at the facility as we thought we were talking about was under siege staged grove. And she kind of helps to kinda take out some of the unruly patients that get start escaping while this is going on home later kind of feels a little abandoned hookah. She kinda blows him off because he's right. I've got to show you my trader. And she probably knew she reads as you have sex with you again in the tray. The kind of thing i think. That's the way she reads. It is as i have a surprise for you and you can surprise me all over the place when i get back kind of thing okay. It's nothing it's nothing that can't wait till later right. Yeah because she's thinking it's just another rough and tumble in the trailer. If you will own the trailers iraq and don't come knocking sent ago. Sounds like a country song right. It does right so hopefully they're not really dealing with this. Well burns down. His trailer in anger actually had hoped bouquet of roses sets up. Yeah yeah so he to try to do this. Big nice romantic gesture for her exact. Thank you for a wonderful day. Hugs and kisses homeland as like. Yeah you know something. Very lovey dovey something not so violet. Bloody mess cut away and he kills rejected at this point so because of his emotional immaturity he lashes out angrily burns down his trailer. So storefront finally shows up home later accuses. Her of lying claims that well she claims well. I went to meet with my social team and the tower so she lies to him about the facilities. She's keeping that from him and you know homemade or says well i went to the tower there so he gets more and more annoyed with her to the point where he starts choking her but then he stops himself. Yeah so things not going that well at the point at this point and you must see a concerned look on storm fronts faces like have i got my into or sure say am i. Am i in over my head with this relationship if we can colder relationship. Yeah so so. What was This sudden relationships kind of hits the rocks pretty quickly. They hook back up later at the very end of the episode when storefront joins lander in her apartment. And he's refusing to hear her apology at this point says well i'll tell you everything from now on and shows him a photo of her and an elderly woman that she says is her daughter. Chloe who apparently died of alzheimers a few years ago. And this is where we get to the much needed backstory. Here that in confirmation of what we all suspected right that she was born in nineteen nineteen in berlin. This would be like roughly at the end of the world war at the end of world war. One yeah yeah. That would make a hundred years old pretty much. And she was with himmler and gurgles. So there's a good crew to hang out with. That's fun people exactly party. And she. Apparently she met frederick vaughn who married her and gave her the very first successful v injection about the injection. They fell in love. Frederick gave her daughter and Apparently his genius was what later made homeland her and show on the whole thing of homeland being the savior and is it. Any surprised at home number is blonde. Blue eyed it's the aerienne superman. Yes exactly so so. Apparently she's all in on home later. All this kind of she doesn't come out and say it but you kinda piece it together. That she was writing him to put him in a situation where she can manipulate him and bring her into bring him into her confidence so homeland but Storefront says well. You know we're in a war for the culture. This is where she gets her full racist on here. She says the other races are grinding them down. But they can attack or fight back with rb of soups. That's apparently her plan is to start this like super powered race war because hey race. War isn't enough right. We gotta add superpowers to it also plays into the whole nuts national socialism narrative of the uber. Mention the superman. If you will yes exactly. So storefront tells home later that he could lead them and he's everything that they've dreamed of like you said he's the arian archetype. Is everything the blonde. Hair blue eyed. Exactly you know. What's he won the super idea. Yeah exactly the over right. So this is why. She says she's in love with him and now they neither of them have to be alone ever again and they reconcile at yes which i was so that he would actually break neck. At that point. I was actually going do it q. Kill this holiday seriously. do you want a few times. They're stronger language involved. You said as i said. I'm a watering down. Big time because this is drugs in most iconic. Don't was kill her already. I was hoping his eyes light up and blasted off but remember we still got two more episodes to go so we can't kill her yet not to mention she you know. She mentioned gurboz. Who was of course the head of propaganda for the national socialist party in so screw token silver tongue devil and she is just a silva tongue because she plays into his ego. I think soon as she says you were born to lead us. She's playing his song. She literally took a nickel pop in the juke boxes playing his song like i've talked talked about. He's a master manipulator and and obviously she learned a few things from old. Herman exactly hanging out with the head of propaganda. Yes i guess it rubbed off on her. Yes go figure right so Talk about a social influencer. More like a nazi social influence her. But there you go so that's where we kind of leave off the episode although we do get a little postscript where we find out that store to try to kill cindy in the episode by electrocuting her only she survived right and we see her hitchhiking along the highway so presumably we will see cindy again. It's not spouse trouble right. I'm sure that'll go well. Oh of course it will go swimmingly right so all right anything else about this episode that we overlooked yeah. The thing that was was was was interesting. We're seeing across the deep hookup with a train and we see they still have some of our brotherly bond because hey brother how you doing. You know kind of hugging each other. And i think it's more of a one sided though. I think the deep wants to hang out with a train. Yeah but eighteen doesn't really want to hang out with the deep. I suppose so and then of course he's like do you want a fresca and as you told me i've never tasted fresca and spurs if somebody offers you frisk guy. How whether it's good news bad news but some frisco and so off they go to the of the collective side out. Apparently dance browse likes fresco. Oh good to know so Just putting that out there. So i'm okay with fresca exactly my favorite so i would rather drink. Hey sierra mist like drinking right now more seven up or sprite so just putting that out there. Yes we get. Basically adrian being taken to the church. The connective in meet together. I think with the head honcho of the head of the of the change. The collective at this yeah we. We introduced to a certain grand vision. Nick as alistair at donna. The head of the church now so and someone who may be a little more important as in the next couple episodes. We'll see so that was interesting. Yeah and then. Of course the other thing. I wanted to mention was May and an her pussy because they finally discovered the they didn't find the black box from the plane but they find i think the memory drive or the flash drive will whatever age from. There was like a camera. Camcorder kind of thing that the deep Because the wreckage being underneath the ocean presumably went to go down because of his ability was able to swim down there. Retrieve the camera exhorted view of my connection. Yeah yeah and so we see some voyeurs. Their cash yes. I talked to some fish. And we see some of this found footage and we can see could be very damaging yukos for homeland. It doesn't seem to work. Welcome as relationship. Either though it doesn't because apparently they've elena her lover finds out about it. She's naturally understandably horrified by this but myth says well you know. I've got some plans to blackmail homeland error to that. He'll leave them alone or else she'll go public with it like. I'll give this the cnn. If he doesn't the us alone every cnn but began so. But it's there because we don't know how things are resolved between elena and maeve when it comes to this big reveal but we know that the footage is there which will grow. It's a yes probably pretty important. So it's another. You know another pawn that chessboard to be played as we get to las lost episodes of this season Exactly all right so So that's our episode. Do you have any favorite quotes. Oh well i actually had one which which really kind of stuck with me. Which was actually frenchie to 'em talking about the latter happiness like the bachelor party i will throw you what's your stance about. Transgender ship is strippers and strip radio. Her she's with or without nuts. I feeling as we with our discussion that you were going to use that quote. So that's good. Yes that that was hilarious. That was that was pretty funny. Frenchies the over like hugging him. And yeah just like hey man. We're going to get that bachelor party. It's going to be great and so we're very infections you have any Let's see. yeah starlight When she first comes into the The kind of sanctuary the safe house and she's like looking around going. This is where you're living talking to huey. And he's like yeah. It has its charms. The rats are like pokemon with have see that. Made me think of my friends. Actually play pokemon pokemon go but he yes speaking to that by the way. Okay yeah. we're talking a lot about the end. This episode. I probably is point. I hope she's now. I really hope she was better. Be talk about pressures on Butcher a huey had a good line where he said never go into shark-infested waters without shum. That was a good one too. Yeah do you have any others now. I was pretty much the one that stuck out with me. And lastly i would've say starlight to billy butcher pretty Pretty interesting Conversation here she says the only good soup is a dead soup and butcher replies to that your words not mine knowing knowing how are what we although how your feels about about superheroes so yeah ask becca how he feels about superhero pretty much right right all right And music. We did get a couple of nice little musical moments. One disturbing when Home lander and storefront got it onto happy together by the turtles. Yes and then also thank you for being a friend. I believe it was at the annual that that was the golden girls team. Yes and by the way. That was a nice touch right. And then Orinoco flow by enya which was very weird. I mean i love annual but there was like i'll never be able to listen to and your game without thinking all right so what you're rating for this one. I'm gonna give this eight and a half exploding bodies nice. Well i'm gonna go a little higher than you on this one. I love this episode. I thought it was a lot of fun. I give it nine out of ten love sausages wreck all right so phantom zone news. I just have one little thing to talk about Just really quickly got some word that apparently black lightning will be ending with. Its upcoming four season. A little sad about that yasser. I really really enjoy that. Show apparently get replaced though by a painkiller spin off. You know the spinoff at nobody wants seriously seriously. That's the plan while raiding. Yeah exactly right so that kind of deserves this. As far as i'm concerned epic fail on that part. No offense if you're you know no offence to anyone of cool character but of all the dc superhero shows. I wanna see. Painkiller would not be high up on the list. I in fact. I mean really greg berlanti. You can do better. Yeah pretty much. Unless i'm kinda one. I've been thinking about this. A little bit mean kind of wondering i wanna get your thought. Maybe on this i think all the quote good superheroes are now being saved for. Hbo max a high. Yes and berlin is only getting the leftovers. shall we say it's either through because he's lunch standpoint. I mean to be fair. Getting superman and lois but you know with with rumors that this may be the flashes final season everything's moving. Everything's everything's shifting away. Things are changing. You girl grease coming up right. So i'm just kind of it's you know i kind of wonder what like notable superhero shows are going to be added to see. W at this point. I think anything. That's that's really anybody anything that anybody's really looking forward to is probably going to be appearing on. Hbo backs instead. It makes you wonder way when where greg berlanti is going to go from video from here on out. Because it's like scraping the barrel at this point you greg move your heads literally to find something interesting right. Well they do. They are going to have star girl which they pick them from show. It's fantastic show and that's a great show. We talked about it. You know here. On the fan of zone when jackson was my co host talking about that. So no problems with that. It's a great show. It makes you think wet is when is mr blonston. You team here with the transition from the again that was but again that was a cast off from dc universe so the question is what what you dig. Exciting thing is is The cw going to add at this point. I mean unless painkiller resent overnight sensation could be. It could be fair. I mean it could be popular but I think the lightning it is It's quietly by judging by the twitter reaction. I saw when the news broke. I don't think it's going to be anything. Anybody really looking forward to seeing as yet maybe coming in from it. Just not even watching it. Folks might almost refused to watch it because they might be school coached by adding loss black. Lightning right they may be pissed off essentially. Yeah exactly so Just thought that was interesting. Do you have any other anything else. News wise you wanna add. Well charles. I know if we mentioned this. But you know what about Because i heard that in the movie. Verse wonder woman coming to to tv screens in on christmas day. If i am not a wrong or christmas. Easter yeah this was. This was a nice little christmas present. We got from warner brothers. Was the announcement that hey just like you know. Milan appearing disney plus wonder woman is going to be brought to. Hbo max they're streaming service and even better than milan. It's not going to be a premium to pay. It's not yeah. It's not going to have an additional charge on top of the. Hey the amount of money you're already paying for the service you don't like it should have been for milan. i agree. I'm actually gonna watch it on disney plus next month because you'll get free for disney plus folks. Yes you wonder woman. Nine thousand eight hundred and they are going to be releasing in theaters. Although i don't know what theater's gotta be open considering. How are kobe rates are skyrocketing out of control very true so Christmas day joe exactly exactly so and oh by the way my wife. Laurie and i have already made our plans. Because we'll be spending the day with my parents but in order to watch the movie without like a billion questions from my parents so that we know so we can actually hear the movie ya. We're going to be saved not telling my parents that exists and we're going to go home and watch it on tv later that night. Yeah so we so we can actually enjoy it. Well i mean. I'm so looking forward to this and we know it's the parents but no but i mean you know come on it's cowgill dalton that kind of stuff and then later after we watched it once at least will let the up. I'll have it on for my parents. Let them watch it. They exactly yes so i think. That's pretty cool. Muses christmas with wonder woman and so so it's not too bad right to sneeze at like. I said it was a wonderful christmas present from border chance. I like play a words job. It was a it was a wonderful christmas. All right so Do you have some family from dave proctor yay wherever that real quick Dave thank you so much for writing and we really appreciate it so he writes in about the bloody dole's off says digging out. Starlets tracker was disturbing. How did they get it in there. It's a good question. Maybe i would think she was probably aware of it right unless they knocked her out. I suppose not to mention the medical stop when he took it out was worse than the one glorious boston. It's because it's like no sanitation whatsoever. It's like right home later in storefront going after criminal in handling it in the most disgusting way these two need to be put download rather harsh judgment from dave there. I kinda agree with david. Go starlight called butcher on his bigotry so often people don't see their own bigotry untrue. Yep that's true. Lamp lighter frenchie really wants that guy but now all the patients are out mayhem. Erupts is it does. Except when he don't need it starlets. Batteries go dead. Yeah guess you needed a energizer butcher even caused like such crappy power. Right right The deep tries to recruit a train. Tesla no alistair at donna. I see what you did there because grand vision. Nick who played alastair. Donna played nikola tesla in The was it the nikola nikola tesla's night of terror episode of doctor. Who i was trying to remember the exact episode title there. Get it there in a minute. You know it will slow tonight. That's all right by the way. Happy fifty seventh anniversary doctor who yes indeedy. So but we'll see that for another podcast. The search zone podcasts. Although i am wearing a doctor who t shirt today. It's beautiful t shirt at our french houses. Sporting they're very. It's the who. Who got like paul mcgann as a roger daltry. You've got Tom baker is pete townsend. Got david tennant's pete best and I think you've got over here. You got that smith. Is john entwistle. It's beautiful teashop. Happy birthday doctor. Who all right and Dave continues the head of the church is eager to have another recruit. Have some kool-aid yup or fresca. Maybe it's kuwait favor flavored fresca. I don't know we get a little peek into the history of lamp lighter and butcher i think it probably means lamp bladder in frenchie. But it's alright. Starlight is having a difficult time realizing that good people sometimes have to do bad things. I just hope. I don't have to kill anybody in this lifetime. Yeah i'm not planning on it personally so anyway although you know obviously get tempted but no you're not all right. It's not going to be the hero not the villain guys all right. I love. i laughed at this. He says prehensile penis question. Mark exclamation mark question mark exclamation. Rehan saw their prehensile. Pena's very alliterative of dave very clever. Yeah starter butcher. Finding common ground is one of the things. I pointed out live. Lighter has remorse and maybe a bit suicidal observation. That's fair and lastly says so. Storefront comes clean homeland error and he start making making out to the golden girls theme is this because she is older than dirt we. She is over a hundred years old. They are yes she is but is also a nice call back to lou. Tiring canoe chats about the golden goes. Yeah so he closes. Keep up the good work. Work fellas stay well so thank you dave. Thank you very much. Dave and i hope you have a wonderful thanksgiving exactly. I second that emotion sir. So yes i hope you and your loved ones are well and hopefully you have a even better. Twenty twenty one. Yes indeedy so if you want to be like eight and please do write to us at fan zone. Cast on twitter. Chenab zone cast on facebook instagram at phantom zone. Podcasts we love to hear from you. Please like and follow us. Share the links if possible. Because obviously we'd love to grow our podcast and get more listeners. And more people contributing to the discussion knee. Sharing is caring right. Sounds exactly. I love what you did. You did that so nick. Working gonna find you and all of your wonderful work when it comes to me. I if i'd like to say we've heard from from. They broke the. I want to hear from gamble at some point. Who really from procter gamble. Proctoring lag that said when it comes to me. I'm sure he gets that joke all the time. I'm sorry dave didn't want to add to that. 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We definitely appreciate it and coming up episode to we'll be discussing fairest buehler's day off which is a particular. It's one of my all time favorite movies than if you've heard us on ghost where we we kind of do the fairest lines. A lot. A lot of references. So so this is kind of one near and dear to our heart. So we're starting up. Pretty strong we did. Obama nineteen eighty-nine then ferris bueller off. And we've got a nice little this here that upholding top secret list of things that were coming up with plan for the near future so hope everybody check it out. It's gonna be a lot of fun right from folks every checkout folks. Deputy checkout drinks in the mobile because chosen zanjeer provided so much entertainment. I thought it was hilarious to be honest when i was actually doing my shopping. Charles i was listening to you guys and i was kind of laughing when i was getting some folks like. Do you have a condition some the uk laughing stop. Yeah there was well. That's that's the point we were trying to just entertain people and have fun and hopefully make you laugh so if if we did that we did our jobs and the world needs a laugh in this day and age and vote especially right now so it's nice to know that drinking was not in vain so hope everybody checks out at us drunks in next time on the fan of his own though episode. One ninety seven. We're gonna be talking butcher baker candlestick maker and this one congressman congresswoman. Excuse me victoria newman. Schedules a hearing against ve ought with lamp lighter as the chief witness and i'm sure that will go well of course it's the boys. How can home later in storefront manipulate ryan and maeve in alina break up over her. That rather awkward videotape so We'll see how that plays a plus much much more nick. I wanna thank you especially tonight because you were kind enough. We're having shall we say charles was having some technical difficulties in forgetting to start the record button as we are got about. Maybe a third into the podcast. So wanna thank you so much publicly. Thank you for agreeing to restart the episode and get all hopefully at recorded as long as mp three skype or doesn't screw me over today. Will it was a pleasure. Heck i saw that as a dress rehearsal you know. We kind of like rehearsing okay. We're good to go shoot. Start shooting so it was all good. And it's such a joy as always to podcast with you know i suppose even though i mentioned we don't celebrate thanksgiving over here. The spirit of thanksgiving has permeated me as well inside. I'm super thankful to you for having me on. Enjoining you scrape discussion in a big big. Thank you to this never supporting. It means the world so just thank you so very much and of course chosen. Thanks again. Full you thinking to me in having me join you well. I certainly can't add anything more than that. Because you pretty much summed it up perfectly. Yeah how you know. You're you're more than welcome to share our thanksgiving however virtually it may be but we considered you one of our family so At least know that we you know we want to share our thanks to you as well and we have to hope that you're coming up will be a much better year for all of us his hoping for sure. Yeah stay safe out folks. Be thankful for our health. Be thankful for safety. And in the meantime though then come on back for episode one ninety seven as nick returns with me talk but you're baker candlestick maker. I think it's going to be a lot of fun. As we hit the penultimate episode of the boys season two as we're building to that very special climax only without love sausage. Just keep that out of your mind and it. We'll see you next time right here. The fan zone podcasts. Good-bye everybody show off.

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