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"cristina beltran" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"Right folks If you're watching us on peacock we will say goodbye and see you tomorrow and for those you who are not We will head into the Fun half of the program joining us. Among other people alicia brooks Will be will be here to talk about Michael and endow. There's you know even just as an example can't remember exactly at what point in the interview. But i do still here michael mocking me at one point like after i think when she said you know we love our family and we love our thing and i could just imagine michael going. You know as soon as she said goodbye. Well sam doubt that is something to that effect. That would've been a a moment where michael would have a mocked me. I missed that. Well i like something to that effect when she said you know when you have your second kid you divide you. Don't divide your love up. It's a different kind of exactly. Yes opportunity michael exactly Now i i don't know what it says about me that. That is one of the big things that i miss but so be it and we will hear from you as to what You miss about michael on the show and others in the meantime just a reminder you can check out nomi show at Youtube dot com slash. The no mckee show tuesdays and thursday evenings also matt. What's happening in the matt. Lucky in universe. There's a stream on at three on the left reckoning youtube today and also we put out a patriot episode andrew harman on the culture wars. That's pitcher dot com. Select reckoning to get that episode that released on monday. Okay folks number six four six two five seven thirty nine twenty We will take your im's and Let's try and keep it about michael today. But i guess if you're libertarian. And you call and he would appreciate that to all right. We'll see you in the fun. Half our foreign. I folks sixty four sixty five thirty nine twenty. She in the man ready alpha males are back back back on the alpha. Males are back by just delicious as you can imagine the alpha males of back back back on the album off back back back just want to degrade the white man. Alpha males backed by alpha males. Back back back stuff is what the alpha males of stop by your alpha males back back. Sam cedar what a fucking nightmare nightmare that or a couple of put them in rotation these dents well the problem with those are like forty five seconds long breaks. That's fucking people. Drug look worse than over. Why people on the alpha males buckle buckle snowflakes. Next has what what what what what what what what what what what what. What what. what a lot. Lot of back back back making stupid money out. How all lives matter. Have you tried doing an impression on college campuses. I think that there's no reason why. Reasonable people across the divide can all agree with psych. The alpha males by by the africa's black black black black african on the alpha males of black black black black black africa's backed probe out. There doesn't a little party. You think that. America deserves to be taken over by jihadists. Keeping at one hundred cannot hustle. I'm out buckle buckle things. I do for the bigger game my birthday birthday to me. I have a thought experiment for and the alpha males. Black black alpha male black africans. Some of these the pay. The price will be around. Here i am in total was was..
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"cristina beltran" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"Same way we bought like we talk about the women's vote. Well there were a lot of women who like trump. there's a lot of different kind of women voters and so how much of it and this is. Just obviously this is just my own personal experience but a friend of mine is puerto rican and her family We're we're adamant trump supporters And there was a sense that this was a function of wanting to be as american as possible and that win and obviously puerto rico. You're american but but to be seen as american like i'm just thinking of like those you know in the wake of nine eleven how you know so many guys driving a cab or something. They had to put an american flag in their car on some level. Obviously not the same thing but the concept of if somebody's out there creating such a big dividing line you're either on this side of it or on that side of it and if there's any ambiguity that sort of like going in one direction hard as a way of establishing your bone afi days that a thing yeah i mean. I think that. I think wasn't wasn't really pointing to also which i think is another project for progressives is how do you create a sense of membership and you know progressive on the whole. We're very we're very anxious about patriotism as a logic because it feels really nativist and it often feels really kind of was a kind of it feels aggressive in ways it has a legacy that we're not super down with so but i think if we but we also love where we love our country. We look where we live. We love the places we belong to love the people we have connections to so i think we need some kind of language of membership that offers people away of feeling like they belong to something they can feel passionately about and care about whether that's a progressive. Patriotism are we want to call it something else but but i do think that if if the dominant language of patriotism has been steeped in a certain kind of natives them or a certain kind of politics of aggressive americanism then yeah you could imagine people who want to be a part of that might be seduced by that or my fine pleasures in it right and i mean the fact of the matter. Is you know. Lots of population mean. Puerto ricans are citizens right so anytime. Puerto rican communities identify with migrants. Which many do there's lots of progressive puerto rican civic organizations that are very pro immigration. That's a solidarity stance. So it's not. They're not they're standing in solidarity with with with migrants. They're not lake them. They are not their citizens. And frankly any time. Latino voters vote on immigration reform. Every latino voter is a us citizen. So it's a solidarity language. It's not a language of just like like if i'm gay and i vote for gay marriage. I'm voting for going to impact my life in this particular way. You might be a citizen with lots of non-citizen family. You might be an msc. Status family seem might be voting. What you see is for us. But that is produced through solidarity and the good news about that. Is i can feel solidarity for trans youth. I can feel solidarity for black lives like i can feel solidarity across difference so we can all do that solidarity. Politics opens up a lot of different ways of feeling connected and feeling a sense of belonging membership to people who don't look like me so i do think but i think that the maybe the dark side of solidarity's you can be a non white person feel solidarity with donald trump. You can be a non white person and feel solidarity with the oath keepers right so i think understanding how the politics of domination it which in america is steeped in a racial politics of whiteness. We need to think about the way that that can seduce. Non white populations as well and in the same way that i think one reason why we're so divided right now is because white america today and i really try to spend some time in the book on this white america. Today's racially divided than it's ever been. There are more white people who are openly appalled by racism in a way. Then have ever been in the history of this country that was kind of consensus around certain kinds of racial politics. Even liberals in the northeast kind of abided by that is no longer the case. That's families are fighting. Like hell on facebook and thanksgiving because a lot of white people are like wanting to stand with an anti-racist politics so for me that's an incredibly important good news moment but it does make us feel more divided but i would say we feel more divided in part because the politics of this country are no longer being white and being attached to politics. Whiteness are no longer the same thing they never always worked but they're less and less and that is freaking out the right. The right is more freaked. Out about joe biden. Frankly i think than obama front because that those white people standing on the side of racial justice. That's really scary. And places like georgia christina beltran associate professor of director and director of graduate studies at department social cultural analysis new york university author of cruelty as citizen. How migrant suffering sustained white democracy. We'll put a link to that. Majority dot com. Thanks so much for your time today. Really appreciate it. Thanks for staying. Thank all right folks. Quick break we'll be right back to wrap it up. Wait a minute pause. Hit the pause button. Something's wrong all.
The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"cristina beltran" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"Whatever years sort of neoliberal politics of undercutting the welfare state right and also growing massive roy inequality so i think those things are all deeply related right the fact that people feel more precarious. There's more inequality you know. All those things have created a really toxic stew for us to to to have to deal with it. So i do think that having people have a sense that they have a future they have some possible world they can imagine themselves inhabiting really does matter and i think that good policies can make a huge difference in that way When people feel like things aren't as hard on the other hand i do think there's a really entrenched logic rollout of people. I mean i think the fact that we're dealing with a global pandemic and we're dealing with people who won't get back stated i mean one of the things that really strikes me right now. Is that we kind of understand why conservative politics is willing to make Non white populations experience Scarcity right like why they think that's okay for them with interesting. Who is in that logic. You think well maximes came out white you know conservatives who wanted to ford the backseat themselves and not let black and brown people have them and instead they themselves want to live under conditions of more precarity and violence for themselves. Like that really strikes me is that you have communities. They don't only want they're not fighting for climate change with our children. So there's something really deep about the fact that there's a kind of i don't know if it's a kind of nihilism or punitive despair that doesn't even imagine saving their own lives sometimes or they might think they are because they fired them. Vaccines are boys and our winter or magnetized but but this idea that they will you know people who were still believe in obamacare. So i don't think it's just a matter of of creating better resources. I think resources are really important. But i think that it's also it really is about a slow creating a different kind of change and i think we have to think about creative ways of doing that at the local level because we can't just do this at a national level buying not going to give some speech. It's gonna make us think we can share right. This is going to happen communities. It's going to happen in school is going to happen in you know of civic spaces. I wish we had national service for every citizen at eighteen old or some sort of program also for non-citizens but some that eighteen or do something sick together. I think those. I think we need to actually be pretty creative about ways of creating Of breaking out of some cycles. And it's not gonna come get some leader just gives a great speech or that. We cut a lotta chess help to have a more vigorous vibrant state More resources for people. But i don't think that will necessarily be enough. I think it's it's a really critical step but not the only one. Well it's like oh of. I'm going to go down with this ship because the resentment is just so strong right and it's so permeated and i know sam kind of touched on this earlier but you have to make that ship worth saving so that we don't say you know screw it. All of us are going to go down together. Which sounds insane to me. But yeah says well i was gonna say like. I don't think that they perceive the ship going down with the vaccine. But i do think it's the togetherness i mean. I think the idea is that it's another form of developing a sense of community in the same way that they see it as a civic duty to be cruel to immigrants as a way of like us in them. I i you know the the vaccine could have gone easily. It seems to me the other way. I mean i think had trump Woken up on like actually. No this is we need to have the vaccine and we need to make sure the right people get it. I the most important people in and it would have a completely different dynamic but but since we're on the topic of trumpet. I know that you have some thoughts on this. The we we have seen. Trump did better with latino voters and black voters than we've seen from republicans in a while. And which i think a lot of our serve shocked because he has not hid his hostility for latino people or black people for that matter. What what do you. How does that fit into the context of what you're talking about. Yeah yeah i was. Just gonna say i think one thing that is really important in in my book. One thing i really tired talk about. is that Different populations the anti blackman's in this country has a very specific history. And it's unfortunately history that other communities participated in and it's important always remember. That latinos are not a race. Latino as you can be white. You can be black. Tell my students like if you watched baseball like their black latinos like you know when we're afro latinos are like thing like we are. We are black. We are your way misdee- so so it's not a race. So understanding that. Means understanding that latinos mexicans puerto ricans etc that that the politics of race are are complicated. Right you can have populations that identifies as black also populations of one very much. Not be black. And so anti-black racism. Which is you know. We see this. In latin america with color. Ism we see it in the us so so the politics of race in these communities we talk like oh black and brown nations but but the the brown part of that story is actually much more racially complicated and my first book was called the trouble with unity and it really was trying to unpack the deep diversities within let the lat next populations and and so that is something we have to think about. And so you have on the one hand a lot of those who are engaged in understand themselves as color racial justice movements. We always remember that. Even with two thousand twenty. The vast majority of african americans the vast majority of latinos voted for joe biden voted as democrats however and they didn't vote as high for the republicans as they did under george w bush george w bush closer link thirty five to forty percent of the vote and trump got less. So that's important historical fact but he did do a lot better with particular populations and not just cubans cubans have been historically more republican. So people were like oh. It's the cuban. No actually there are mexican. Americans in south texas voting for him as well and so i think we have to. And that's one reason. Why was pointing out that when i talk about whiteness as an ideology i'm talking about the legacy of white supremacy in this country that is haunted us and is impacted all of us. We are all shaped by that legacy. Nope i mean why would something that powerful not touch all of us so it shouldn't surprise us that certain non white populations are populations that are often deemed on white would also be seduced by the politics of domination right that they would get drawn in and i'm not saying every person of color. Who trump did it. Because invested in the politics of domination they might have lied like taxes. They might have like that. He was on a tv show. People vote for all kinds of reasons. But i do think. A certain segment of those voters were attracted to The outraged outrageousness and the racial politics articulated. And if you're a third generation mexican american for example. You don't really spanish anymore. Your families intermarried with lots of different communities your understanding or sense of solidarity with non-citizen migrants might be very thin. You might not know anybody who's a non-citizen we're dealing with like sixty million people sixty million latinos in us all doing one thing. I write their. Politics are doing all kinds of things and often. We talk about them like in this. Monolithic weighed like the latino vote. There isn't a latino vote. There are latino voters and they vote in a lot of different ways and we have to get better at analyzing that in the same way we bought like we talk about the women's vote. Well there were a lot of women who like trump. there's a lot of different kind of women voters and so how much of it and this is. Just obviously this is just my own personal experience but a friend of mine is puerto rican and her family We're we're adamant trump supporters.
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"cristina beltran" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"Minner data and there's no place like just one there can be like nine one woman and there's suddenly this feeling of their they have nothing. It's all been taken from them. So i do think it reflects this idea that there hasn't been a logic of sharing. It's like no you know it doesn't mean when people say the future's female it doesn't mean it's only female it means that sometimes black women are gonna be there sometimes. A whole bunch of us are going to be moving back and forth. You're gonna have a seat at the table. You won't have all the seats. You'll have some chairs. Not all the chairs. But i do agree with you. I think when you have had all the chairs some chairs is your chairs right and you don't necessarily think we'll get to talk to new people. There's going to be new ways of me. Feeling freer me. Not having to carry the pressure of representation in these ways like there's other things you get to maybe let go of that could make you feel breathe differently and better but i don't think we have exactly articulated with that. New world looks like so we'll just loss that yes and that was that that that's my follow up. Question is like what do you i mean it is one thing and i am certainly guilty of it of just saying like you know. Suck it up. Sorry you had a lot of privilege. You had a lot of control. Things used to watch tv and you were the focus of everything it was. I mean when i watch. Tv is a kid is either about me or me has an older guy or my mom or my wife. That was my future wife. I mean that's basically what every tv show was but what is what as a society i mean. It's one thing if you're if you're my therapist and you're telling me like sam you just gotta accept the fact that you're no longer centered in the same way and there are other things that you can explore. Maybe you have less of a risk. But as a political question like how does a society that is emancipating people and And both from an economic and social standpoint. I guess you could argue. From an economic standpoint. there is like continuous growth. Although that may be problematic for other reasons as we see half the country on fire and the half germany floating away or something to that effect. But but but how do you how do you make that case as a as a government or as a society that look. You're losing the status that you've had the social status. But you're gaining this. Like how do you articulate that and show that vision of that new world. yeah. I think that's i think in some ways that is maybe the biggest important question progressives and in this moment actually is i think two things i think one thing is it is really useful to talk about the loss and it may be certain. If you're a certain kind of like activists you may not want to be talking about that loss right here like you might be like suck it up. I don't wanna. I don't wanna host you into this new world right like you're gonna need to have that conversation with some folks so i understand that certain meeting different activist communities. Don't necessarily want to do that. That kind of that. Kind of work with people sometimes On the other hand. I think we have to really big tasks and one is a task of persuasion. And i think you know that is a really critical critical thing we need to be doing. I think sometimes we talk about politics. activists logics very expressive. And i'm not. I think those are super powerful matching. You need to say this is bad. This is broken it needs to change now right as completely legitimate political action. We need those but we also need people. My dad was a labor organizer. My dad was an auto worker. Who joined became a labor leader earlier organizer. He always talked about the fact that you had to grow the ground of agreement and now he's talking about the fact that when i enter into space trying to organize a union i need to meet people where they are and try to get them to see why where. I want where i think they ought. This would be good for them right joining this union so you had to sort of meet people where they are and bring them in. And maybe. Because i'm a professor of a teacher. I think that's a really. I think but i think we're organizers. We also have to be. Teachers engage in a practice of persuading which means meeting people where they are and help them. Imagine a better world right. But i also think that as progressives and politically we need to find a language i've been calling it like the politics of abundance or maybe like an aesthetics of justice which are all super academic terms that will not catch on ever but but but my point being is that we need to try to imagine a future that looks beautiful for everybody a future that people can look at and say i would like to live there. That world looks really appealing to me. Not like this is a world where i have less everything but this is a world where maybe they don't have as much of that. But i have more of this and that looks like a world. I want to inhabit painting a picture of a world because if we don't the right is really good at saying buying your hamburger. I wanted sodas you know. Everything is about less carbon different. Everything is about less having less. You'll reason for that. But i do think we need a language that says here's this new possible world. That could look amazing in these ways and so the people who may be are persuadable. People are persuadable. They are really locked into their their politics. But i think there are a lot of people who aren't sure what the future looks like we've never inhabited it. And so they need to be invited into something. How much of that is simply a function. And and i agree with you entire you know right wing mentality is constantly talking about loss ranging from you know we will not replace us down to you. Know you diminishing my vote and you. You're taking my freedoms by by by by being an illegal here. How much of this needs to be addressed with material benefits. I mean you know if i as a white male am like you know looking into a universe like okay. I've i no longer have the ability going to comment on my coworkers. Legs and i. Am you know watching television and This black person is centered. Or i you know. I'm talking on the phone and i've got a press to speak english. You know that type of thing. How much of the answer is really just material benefits because of all of a sudden now like i have parental leave or i have paid sick leave or i have frankly. Health insurance is paid for. And i don't have like certain stresses that are associated with you know i cultural status where might perceive cultural status are removed just on a material level. I mean how much. How much can it be. That i mean because like we're not going to have like a group therapy session for everybody And it's not going to be. And i don't know how somebody would be like the idea of like. Hey you don't have to worry about being the sole breadwinner anymore you know. We're moving into a new world where you know you can You know W- however that that gets articulated. It seems to be much easier. If all of a sudden i just have like. I don't. I don't have to earn as much money. This is the everything. Yeah the rise of the highest numbers of immigration have also happened during the same period in this country of some of the highest numbers as as the gutting of of the welfare state. Starting reagan right. So it's been it's been fifty plus years. Forty plus forty five..
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"cristina beltran" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"I talk about that. Because i i. I think that there is some reality to that. Scarcity of logic. I don't necessarily. I don't subscribe to it and i think to some extent like okay. Sorry i mean it's like you're an only child and then all of a sudden there's a second kid there it's like. Yeah yes what beer not. You're not the only child anymore. But like in the context of this. This zero-some tucker. Carlson is right. Insofar as every time somebody turns eighteen or every time an immigrant becomes citizen. His vote you know. at least there's a mathematical. is you know infinitesimally butts but actually is diminished. Just like my vote. Your vote is and you know i. I've used this example. Odd nauseam on this program in terms of you know a white person Seeing a white male is seeing themselves not centered in everything in the way that it. Will you know we were thirty or forty years ago and and and before and the idea of like my traditions and favorite foods and my language just not as dominant and as central as it was before so there is some loss there. I mean my perspective on this is like okay. Well sorry sorry but but but there is some lost their right. I mean this is not imaginary it is it is real in having this grasping onto that sort of centralisation is not terribly democratic impulse. It seems to me but it is a real. It is real impulse and it is a material difference on some level. Yeah no you're right. I mean. I think that. I think one thing that we we have struggled to even talk about. Is that sense of loss that sense of of too when you are when one is always the center of everything when there's no other when when there's again when there's no logic of sharing right and i think it's funny any your example. Like an only child getting a sibling right. Like when you don't have a lot of sharing right and then you find out that you have to share but then perhaps share also game playmate like you gain other things there are. Your parents aren't like i have twenty percent of love. You get ten percent like right they you know the connections and commitments growing create new emotional formations right but but you will also do experience a lot. Those i think we don't know how to sort of reckon with the simultaneity of the fact that you can lose something and gained something. That's something new can happen. I think movies work in the some of us is trying to kind of get it that right that you can lose something You can lose the pleasures of domination you. Can you have to let go of certain in some ways. I would characterize them as tyrannical pleasures. Right you have you have to go up. You do lose access to the right to dominate. Right i mean win. Mitchell was happening in a lot of men were like. You can't even make jokes in the office anymore. And you know all these sensitive women and you can't do this and they're right right. The way they operated in those spaces was changed. And there's a sense of. I don't get to be the person i was right. But then there's also the possibility being something else having having people new ideas having a new community having other ways of being but i do think that for certain people read it does the world does feel. It's changing very rapidly. And they don't. I think if you if you live within the logic of of only losing i guess i guess what i'm saying is if you live in a binary logic where there's either a loss or a gain and there's nothing and instead of the kind of fluid fact that there'll be a different way of being in the world together which is hard to talk about and not easy to discuss the same way it is to just say you're losing your winning right but if you're if you're losing that i think there is this feeling of like you know i always laugh when they'll be a show. In like the james bond franchise will say maybe.
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"cristina beltran" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"These legacies play out in different places. So you think like james baldwin writing about going to paris and feeling free for the first time and then he realizes he's in a in a cab with algierian cabdriver and he realizes oh there's a legacy of of difference and colonial practice here that doesn't touch me in the same way but it certainly here as well and you realize these are global phenomenon that we have to understand and i think one of the ways we have to think about that is they have these connections. They have these similarities. But it really requires. I think scholars and journalists to really dig down into specific histories of particular places. So we might see these things happening in all kinds of places but they do have very particular history with particular communities and you need to sort of understand that in order to maybe understand how to do it and so one of the things i was thinking about was the fact that A lot of our discussion on race still kind of operates on a black white binary and we have to think about these other populations and how do they fit into chattel. Slavery white supremacy. Because i think you have to understand. Those things. Subtler was on indigenous dispossession. You have to understand that history to understand any other population and how they're being treated because those set the terms of american life in so many ways. But i do think that one of the elements that. I wanted to spend time on was looking at like the mexican american war and looking at the frontier. And when you think about. The frontier is like a space in which americans really conceived of themselves engaging project where there was freedom through movement and this idea that you could move across the land and claim land claims space. And make it your own and you made it your own through the hard work of building those spaces and settling down and building communities in schools civic organizations but you also made it displacing people sometimes through enhancing and expanding slavery but but this idea that freedom and movement were so deeply tied right and then but our history of racism is often telling certain populations like jim crow telling them where they couldn't move where they can't be and i think what's interesting about the undocumented is after nine hundred sixty five. No you couldn't police. The policing practices in this country are one way. We police the move people and brown people. But the policing of the movement of people wasn't as possible when it came after jim crow after the demise of of those legally in one thousand sixty five and sixty four. So i think what's interesting about the undocumented. Is they remain. One of the few populations you can still invoke the language of law. You can still say they are illegal that you can vote the rule of law to dominate them and to impose violence on them. And you can claim that you're doing it because you have to because it's the law and you can kind of invoke legality to do violence. And i think that's for i think for some citizens that's very seductive practice that you can dress up and join a militia and literally round up people and be allowed to do that like there's no other population you can just go to some portion of the country and round them up and then call in ice or the police and they will come and get them like that whole practice has a very long history in our country with the texas rangers. And there's a long history that i try to write about in the book but but there is an interesting history of it. Made people feel like they were doing their civic duty and there aren't a lot of populations you can. You can treat that way. But because they're non-citizens right in a way that african americans were once non-citizens in a particular way now this population are non-citizens and that creates a certain kind of opportunity structure for how to treat them. And and i imagine to this this notion of mobility being sort of a a birthright citizenship. And then you have. The the the mo mobility constraints lifted you know at the end of jim crow. But you sir. You're double dow down. You're doubling down on the idea that we can't have them just roam across the boarder here these illegals. That's that's that's the ultimate flaunting of the right of citizenship to constrain their mobility. Yeah exactly. I think one of the things. That's so interesting as we talk about. jonathon metres written about death by whiteness and different scholars have written about the deaths of despair in the sense for a certain segment of white citizens of the world is getting smaller and they have a really dystopia in a negative sense. The famous futurity right. They sense that the future only gonna get worse. There's a scarcity logic of white supremacy the politics of whiteness. Where people feel like if they're not on top somebody else's dominating them like there's no logic of sharing right like i think i'm a political theorist by training and i always think of aristotle's definition of a citizen is someone who rules and his ruled and turn rate it's about never being only ruled or only ruling it's about always going back and forth with the practice of being ruled in ruled in term and it's about sharing power right now of course sprayers donald. He did include all kinds of populations granted. But but the idea that we share power that we we trade it back and forth that the logic of america's earlier earlier history. I think makes certain white citizens feel like there is no sharing either. We're on top or you're on top either we dominate. We're dominated right so when you have that logic that is always a scarcity logic that only certain people are allowed to have something and we. Can't i think feeling their lives are getting more and more constrained and narrow and then on the on the other hand they look at migrants and they see migrants doing claiming their freedom through movement. And not necessarily you know letting the law stop them like they they they ultimately. I need to save my children. So i'm going to an across this border but the the same way you know not the same way. But with echoes of earlier forms of movement that maybe different populations felt they had access to and these populations that are moving are trying to move to to displace her dominate. But i think when you have a logic of displacement domination already circulates when they see that kind of movement that's the narrative they attached to right and so it's interesting to see that the group that feels a sense of their own future. Either find a fight for a future. That isn't inspiring that has terrifying. And that's one of the problems we have and i guess. Part of that too is just this. This casting of latino people specifically now incur in modern day as anti citizen which you write about her anti citizenry. How does that concept evolve or get to this point because you know of course. There are differences internationally among different nations in the world is perceived but this one seems particularly american. Yeah yeah. I think this idea that that that you know there was a scholar jewish sklar. Who wrote about african americans and characterize as being like anti citizens In the sense that the the very active they're claiming citizenship was somehow reduce or threaten the citizenship of white citizens right so so it is zero sum logic that if this population has access to citizenship. This could actually render my citizenship less meaningful and you know sometimes we even hear that now where someone like tucker carlson. We'll say if i if they vote. My vote means nothing like they'll fill literally create that kind of anti citizen even if they're citizens their citizenship is literally undoing my own citizenship. You know and so. I think that it does have this interesting. Long history that it doesn't assume I think liberal liberal and we often assume a little more expensive inclusive logic. And i think we can but i think what's interesting is we have to contend with certain segments of the american public. That feel like it can't be expansive that if it if it grows. They lose something that somehow their membership gets watered down or threatened as opposed to. We actually can can be in politics where you know all of us have if i have rights if gay people trans people have rights that the price or less right if if people get married and they're gay people can get married doesn't make your marriage less of a marriage but there's a scarcity logic..
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"cristina beltran" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"Sustains white democracy christina beltran christina. Thanks for joining us. I'm here with them. Viglant hi thanks for having me sam so okay. let's start with. I guess concept of of of a project of whiteness and how it is what is that me. Let's start with that right right well. I started this book. Because i was trying to make sense of why immigration particularly from latin america mexico was such a sight of such visceral hostility on the right right and why the fact it was emotionally galvanizing issue in widened migrants in particular seem to cribbage passionate opposition for conservatives and thinking about that i also wanted about like what are the pleasures of a virus as well like the fact that people seem to be not only doing violence but also kind of enjoying talking about antique of pleasure in talking about the fact that they were you know putting up barbed wire fence saying children in cages. And so in trying to figure out like what. Is this one of center of this sort of hostility. I realized i had to think about whiteness as a political project in the book being trying to talk about is. I'm talking about whiteness. not simply a race. I'm not talking about just white people i'm talking about. People who are invested in politics of whiteness is a political color which means politics that is embedded in politics of domination but not just the politics of domination but a politics of domination in which one feels more free when creating inequality for others ride. That one's own sense of sovereignty or freedom or quality is is centered on the idea that some people don't have access to that and so for me when you think about the united states Brief period of reconstruction As this effort to undo what scholars is sometimes referred to as white democracy when we look sort of passed that moment. That was really failed moment in this country. And then we we don't really until nineteen sixty four and sixty i do. We have a country where we really have legal equality for people across racial difference right so so it's a really embedded part of our history that segregation turn chinese exposure joe crow. You know these things are really embedded in our politics. And so i was trying to make sense of how it isn't just like a bad prejudice thing but really think about it is how has it affected. Our democracy are sensitive freedom And so that's would prompted the bullock. Talk this concept of cruelty tie to civic identity. Because i think that that was such a you know well Articulated phrase that fits into this concept of white democracy historically and in present day. Yeah yeah thanks. It's one of those interesting issues. I was reading different scholars. One scholar who really struck me was peer. Vanderberg had written a book where he used the term 'herrenvolk democracy. And what struck me about. The term 'herrenvolk refers to the idea of the master race. And we know that from nazi germany and that sort of that logic but what he says is it. He describes the term as democratic for the master race but tyrannical subordinate groups. And that really struck me is that is one thing i think. Is that when when you have these reforms of racial violence. They don't just feel like you're just be lawless. They actually feel like the rule of law right. They feel like people feel like what they're doing is a practicing the rule of law for themselves so so it took me as interesting Tyranny and liberalism could might be joined in this particular way but but in thinking about what really struck me was and i think we don't talk about this enough in our in our in this in our country and our history. Is that when we think about things like jim crow. We tend to think of that as i was. We think of those segregated water fountains right once his color. One says white. Right but the reality of jim crow and the reality of segregation was. It was deeply participatory act. Segregating people took a lot of effort and it took a lot of work and so a lot of people were participants in creating segregated spaces right. I mean it was all the way from you know bus drivers waitresses real estate of your real estate person in working real estate. If you were a usher at a movie theater. So one thing. I really wanted to think about was how white supremacy and segregation create a lot of participation for a lot of people and that that actually made them feel like they had a certain kind of power to tell people where they could move where they could sit what spaces and public can occupy which swimming pools which parks. And so when you think about it as participatory in some sense democratic project for certain way citizens then you realize that it also offered their power. It made them feel like they had something that somebody didn't have. And so when you start thinking about that kind of pleasure you start realizing that. That's a pleasure that not only does it go to extralegal violence lynchings or the tulsa riots those sorts of moments of lawless engagement. But on the very small ways. They're not even they're not small but in these very daily ways. He's very quotidian ways. There was a pleasure in some for some way citizens in creating segregated space and it made them feel powerful. It made them feel like they had something and so i wanted to think about the kind of regime of domination. That could go. From serving. all white jury all the way lynching participating in a lynching to reading about the lynching in the newspaper that it really was something that was unfortunately we can characterize it as civic. It was a civic element of american. Life would a fascinating because it's basically just sort of like. Hey we're all invested in this civic project of just making sure that we suppress a specific population or a couple of specific populations. I mean you start to really begin to understand this. Like bizarre fetish is ation of the wall on some level that that donald trump was. You know it's a big beautiful wall. It's almost like it's a it's a monument who were all brawl in this together except for the people that we have specifically said are not in this with us so that we have this ability to sort of join in the in group. What is there. And and i guess you know and we can talk about like you. Begin to understand why it's so important to hang onto the notion of illegals as a term right because what we're doing is illegal civic structure and the reason why we can do this because they're illegals and therefore the that they're playing a role in this too. It's just that they're playing the illegals role. But we're like is. This isn't a nate to americans right. Like i mean we're and and this is. I mean this is you're you're talking about a human dynamic not necessarily with all human beings but with with certain types of folks who wanna feel like they're in a project and part of their project is the subjugation of other people. Like where else. I guess maybe as i'm saying it. I'm thinking of a couple of examples. But where else do we see something like this. Play out right now. And i think that's really i think so important because one of them is that yes certainly when i cited vanderberg him. He talks about brazil. Mexico south africa so i think i wish we did have a better. A comparative analysis of racial difference. Racism functions colonialism..
The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"cristina beltran" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"Unbelievable that mariam's santa autumn gingrich and other heroes of the struggle against slightly expanded medicaid. Go down to the and history. Along with other tombo water said solo at other great comrades fightback evil injustice bet. Did much better if they could just say but delivers a communist screw him. I mean like my god right so there it is. I mean Longtime listener of this program will be surprised that michael ended that so quickly and you can hear matt bender old matt as we call them round here in in the background. Cac leeann you know. There was the first time that we had done something like that. to my memory and it You know obviously we got a little smoother with that stuff as as as we went along and and then the dynamic was less Michael do more. it was like okay mic. that's enough and but It really it changed the trajectory of the show and made it Personally i think more obviously made the much more enjoyable for the audience but communicating became a made mode on the show and ese office. Yes it sort of took over and we'll talk more about this kind of stuff in the Second half of the program. We're going to have some of michael. Michael friends colin and michael sister We'll we'll call into the program and Everybody will reminisce And just Remind themselves of michael in their own way. So we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back i'll be talking to the associate professor and director of graduate studies department of social and cultural analysis in new york university author of cruelty. Citizenship migrant suffering sustained wipe democracy. We'll be right back with christina beltran after this. Today's episode is brought to you by the new podcast from chapo trap. Houses matt christian. And chris wade hell of presidents from washington to biden hell of presidents is telling the history of the united states through the office of the presidency. All the a in the irreverent chapo trap house style..
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"cristina beltran" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"President. And lastly jeff bezos figures out how to spend a tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of his money by taking a ride in a rocket ship. All this and more on today's program. Welcome ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us. Emma viglen joins me as well as always. Hello emma alaw sam so folks today we should say it's a little bit Sit ad for us here today. Or you know we're trying to you know make it Sort of somewhat joyful celebration a. year ago on this day the host of the michael brook show former contributor minute contributor on this show co host of this program producer of this program Michael brooks of passed away a year ago on this day and in the second half of the program. We're going to dedicate to just Reminiscing about michael and remembering him. He was a Many different things. I think too many different people obviously But he he provided a lot of fun on this program and Great insight What we'll we'll go through all of this and his trajectory in the second half of the program but He was he worked on the show from two thousand twelve. I guess to two thousand twenty eight years the longest single work relationship of my lifetime and Certainly had the longest tenure on this program aside from myself and I don't think there's anybody who works on this show. Who doesn't think about him at least every day that we do the show. We still have many elements that have been produced to That are interstitial that involve michael. It's very you would be hard to imagine them. Not and Of course. I think that's the same of the audience and in many respects lobby of watched. Michael serve almost grow up in some ways. He first came to the show in two thousand twelve with the idea that he was just going to do it for a year. I think he'd been had done an internship or at Talking points memo writing and his original plan was going to do this for a year and then he was going to go to. I think it was the In in london. And at one point i realized he doesn't seem to be going and and he his show when he launched it. It was the second or third project that he had launched grew exponentially who's very The growth was was huge and he was very unique voice in this space. And i think from my perspective what i miss the most is the comedy and the and the fun that he created on this show and so we're gonna play one clip of him now. We may play other clips and we're gonna have some Friends call in And and we're going to open up our phone lines to the audience to call in and give maybe talk about some of their favorite Moment sir aspects of of michael's work but this one. I chose because i was just saying to these guys. We we have done about twenty seven hundred episodes of this inauguration of the majority report. I had done You know four or five. Years worth of shows on air. America radio but Over the course of the Ten and a half years. We've been doing this show now. About twenty seven hundred episodes. There may be a little bit more. And i can remember about five of those and But the the moments that i remember from this show were almost all five of them. Were moments of of laughing either with michael or generating the last with michael laughing laughing and laughing at him. There's a couple of but this moment happened back in twenty a thirteen. So michael linwood with the show at this point by probably less than a year and maybe it was about a year and the other producer was mad bender. We were in a room that was about. Maybe about two hundred square feet three of us. It was not a pleasant office. It was in the fashion district of new york city and it was a very not fashionable. We had windows that overlook brick wall that we had to keep shut because of the soot and We were right on top of each other. Basically and you'll see the tech the tech On this clip is not And i don't think we were live except for audio at that point but we did take video. We didn't have the ability to cut because only camera and before this moment michael and i must have talked about it. I didn't know that he really did impressions. I don't know that he ever anticipated using them on the show. But there was a clip of rick. Santorum who. I think this was the in a. I think this was in response to mandela's death. What i'm not one hundred percents. Sure i believe it was. Rick santorum was on cnn comparing the republican fight against the aca to the long trajectory and fight of nelson. Mandela's life. which. I hope it was understandable. We found completely absurd and And so we started talking about this. And i think michael must've said beforehand like i'll do l. impersonation and we we probably said like. Yeah you'll you'll you'll talk about how year actually like conservative too and This moment i always remember because it really did begin to shape. The show in the way that i i wanted. I had always hoped that the show would be. That would be able to integrate comedy satire into you know talking about the news and never really contemplated it being about impressions or specifically want about nelson mandela Being right right-winger but this is how that developed there. You have it folks. Obamacare is like apartheid obamacare is like the repression literal repression. The of the majority of americans americans under obamacare a vast majority of them Can't eat in. The same restaurants. Must live in slums Can't have access to the natural resources of their country cannot have an equal vote cannot have. I mean that's what obamacare is.
KQED Radio
"cristina beltran" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Was an effort to recognize the specific histories and backgrounds of particular racial populations and to say that they could be part of the GOP. And I think that one of the things that's interesting is that there's a segment of people of color. Who don't necessarily want to be recognized at all. They don't want to be recognized for their racial distinctiveness. Write that for them, the very act of sort of identifying them as Latino as African American, that they themselves have a certain discomfort with that very logic they want to be understood is simply Americans. Outside of those kinds of identity categories. And surely you can't be saying that every person who doesn't want to be all in with identity. Politics is somehow supporting white supremacy. No, not at all. And I think this is one of the things that was sort of interesting about the difficulty sometimes in trying to kind of explain what whiteness is, is an ideology. People vote for candidates for all kinds of reasons, But certainly there is, I think, a certain kind of critique of identity politics that actually makes the fact of not doing identical itics very attractive to a certain kind of conservative. I mean, that is the argument among some conservatives, many conservatives. Actually, the identity politics is divisive that ultimately, what it does is it segments the population according to their various identities and is actually not unifying, and this is a country that is indeed very divided. Yeah, And I think that one of the big political divides we face right now is people who find the very act of talking about those histories of racial exclusion as divisive because the act of talking about it and acknowledging it produces a kind of defensiveness or anger and even discussing it. The idea that unity should be practiced from sort of not engaging with our history, not Sort of celebrating the best stuff and not really acknowledging that we have a complicated, beautiful, tragic, inspiring inheritance that we have to understand to go forward. Why do you think looking at our current politics through this lens would help the deep divisions of our current moment. What I actually find helpful about theorizing and talking about whiteness as understanding that the politics of whiteness is distinct from white people is I think it actually opens up and expands our political possibilities going forward because We're not actually trapped in our identities or demographics. It means that white citizens can and many are rejecting the politics of whiteness and working with communities of color to forge a multi racial democracy. We have to understand this complicated and tragic and also beautiful, shared inheritance We have if we want to build something new together, we have to understand where we've come from. Cristina Beltran is a professor of social and cultural analysis at New York University. Her new book is called Cruelty as Citizenship. How Migrants Suffering Sustains White Democracy. Thank you very much. Thank you. Helen was the face that launched course 1000 ships the Spartan queen, seduced by the son of a Trojan king, leaving her husband descent, Greek sailors and soldiers to retrieve her the start of an epic and bloody war. Classic tale has been told and retold for generations, and there's now a new version with a twist. The stories of the women are the focus, not the stories of the men. Badly. Haynes is the author of 1000 Ships. Her latest book inspired by Greek and Roman mythology. And she joins me now from London. Welcome to the program. Thanks for having me it's so nice to be here. I love these stories. Good. Yeah, I could be in my gang buster rules. The Iliad. The Odyssey, the Trojan women, You know the women are there, but What do you think that homer and Virgil in your buddy's got wrong? Well, you refugees doesn't get very much wrong. Chief Li Ke writes eight tragedies about the Trojan War. We survived to us today, Fully seven of those tragedies have women is the title character's so Hey, could also be in my gang. You know, I don't I guess I don't think it's a question of getting things wrong. It's just a question of as time passes. We end up focusing on just a different bit of the story. So Homer tells us in the area. We think of it as the Great Trojan War narrative, and it is, but actually, it tells us about two months of the war, which lasts for 10 years. And that's the story that we have in the Odyssey, which is a much more expensive story. Then we get very many more female characters. But you know what happens is that then in the fifth century BC when these stories are reinterpreted by the great dramatist Is that they realize I think that if you want drama, you need to come off the battlefield because the drama of the battlefield is quite limited in its scope. You know, it's a fight One dimensional. Yeah. As you mentioned. There is this sort of rich field of women characters for you to work with a heck of a the queen of Troy. The survivors who are with her, including Cassandra, who foretold it all but was ignored. These are the women who have lost sons. They've lost husbands. They've lost their homes. They have felt you know, the sting of battle and its results, and they don't necessarily see glory in that sacrifice. No, I mean one of the things that inspired me when I wrote this book. Was a film that I saw at the Cannes Film Festival extremely harrowing and very impressive documentary about restorative justice in Rwanda, where there had bean, of course, an absolutely horrific genocide. What it looked at was how these women who had obviously survived the war and so far as they were still alive..
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"cristina beltran" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Who don't necessarily want to be recognized at all. They don't want to be recognized for their racial distinctiveness. Write that for them, the very act of sort of identifying them as Latino as African American, that they themselves have a certain discomfort with that very logic they want to be understood is simply Americans. Outside of those kinds of identity categories. And surely you can't be saying that every person who doesn't want to be all in with identity. Politics is somehow supporting white supremacist. No, not at all. And I think this is one of the things that was sort of interesting about the difficulty sometimes in trying to kind of explain what whiteness is, is an ideology. People vote for candidates for all kinds of reasons, But certainly there is, I think, a certain kind of critique of identity politics that actually makes the fact of not doing identical itics very attractive to a certain kind of conservative. I mean, that is the argument among some conservatives, many conservatives. Actually, the identity politics is divisive that ultimately, what it does is it segments the population according to their various identities and is actually not unifying, and this is a country that is indeed very divided. Yeah, And I think that one of the big political divides we face right now is people who find the very act of talking about those histories of racial exclusion as divisive because the act of talking about it and acknowledging it produces a kind of defensiveness or anger. And even discussing it. The idea that unity should be practiced from sort of not engaging with our history, not sort of celebrating the best stuff and not really acknowledging that we have a complicated, beautiful, tragic, inspiring inheritance that we have to understand to go forward. Why do you think looking at our current politics through this lens would help the deep divisions of our current moment. What I actually find helpful about theorizing and talking about whiteness as understanding that the politics of whiteness is distinct from white people is I think it actually opens up and expands our political possibilities going forward because We're not actually trapped in our identities or demographics. It means that white citizens can and many are rejecting the politics of whiteness and working with communities of color to forge a multi racial democracy. But we have to understand this complicated and tragic and and also beautiful, shared inheritance We have if we want to build something new together, we have to understand where we've come from. Cristina Beltran is a professor of social and cultural analysis at New York University. Her new book is called Cruelty as Citizenship. How Migrants Suffering Sustains White Democracy. Thank you very much. Thank you. Helen was the face that launched course 1000 ships the Spartan queen, seduced by the son of a Trojan king, leaving her husband descent, Greek sailors and soldiers to retrieve her the start of an epic and bloody war. Classic tale has been told and retold for generations, and there's now a new version with a twist. The stories of the women are the focus, not the stories of the men. Badly. Haynes is the author of 1000 Ships. Her latest book inspired by Greek and Roman mythology. And she joins me now from London. Welcome to the program. Thanks for having me It's so nice to be here. I love these stories. Good. Yeah, I could be in my gang Buster rules. The Elliot The Odyssey, the Trojan women, You know the women are there, but What do you think that homer and Virgil in your pity's got wrong? Well, you refugees doesn't get very much wrong. Chiefly Key votes, eight tragedies about the Trojan War. We survived to us today. Fully seven of those tragedies have women is the title character's so Hey, can also be in my gang. You know, I don't. I guess I don't think it's a question of getting things wrong. It's just a question of as time passes. We end up focusing on just a different bit of the story. So Homer tells us in the area. We think of it as the Great Trojan War narrative, and it is, But actually, it tells us about two months of the war, which lasts for 10 years, and that's the story that we have in the Odyssey, which is a much more expansive story. Then we get very many more female characters. But you know what happens is that then in the fifth century BC when these stories are reinterpreted by the great dramatist Is that they realize I think that if you want drama, you need to come off the battlefield. Because the drama of the battlefield is quite limited in its scope. You know, it's a fight one dimensional. Yeah. As you mentioned. There is a sort of rich field of women characters for you to work with heck of a the queen of Troy, the survivors who are with her, including Cassandra, who foretold it all but was ignored. These are the women who have lost sons. They've lost husbands. They've lost their homes. They have felt you know, the sting of battle and its results, and they don't necessarily see glory in that sacrifice. No, I mean one of the things that inspired me when I wrote this book. Was a film that I saw at the Cannes Film Festival extremely harrowing and very impressive documentary about restorative justice in Rwanda. Whether had bean, of course, an absolutely horrific genocide. What it looked at was how these women who had obviously survived the war in so far as they were still alive. But they had been brutalized in the waging off that warrant, and they were then being asked essentially to live next door to the men who had killed their relatives and brutalized their bodies on bond. Remember thinking, you know, it doesn't look to me like these women are receiving any kind of justice. It looks like they're having to tolerate what they're given because there's no alternative. That theme ran through writing 1000 ships for me is but these women have no agency. No power it'll. The woman who survived War, but our Trojan, they're going to be enslaved, and they don't get to say who enslaves them. And this book is narrated by, You know very different women. You've got Kalai a P or as you pronounce it, I said Kelly, Opie, but I'm doesn't. I'm not the guardian of Greek pronunciation. So you should say it, however you want, but there is no wrong answer. I wanted to leave that out there. You also have the story of an Amazon warrior who arrives Celia Celia, you and you've got Penelope as well. The wife of Odysseus, who also provide some sort of comic relief. It's his cast of characters, and they all have very different rules. How did you decide to highlight the different women and what they were doing? And why? Why these women When I had the idea for the book, I was walking home when I thought you know what the really cool is to do. The detergent war from the perspectives of although women in it all the women whose lives are touched by it, so that would be the goddesses that cause it That would be you know the Trojan women that be the Greek women and as oh, no, wait, Hang on. Then there's the Anderson to come to fight after the end of the action of the earlier at it just expanded and expanded as I will wait. What about all the women in the Odyssey? How I wrote the first Penelope letter, which is obviously very heavily inspired by off its heroic as a collection of poems. And the first of them is from Penelope to her husband on guy thought, well, a right that one. And then I'll tell the whole of the deceased's story. Through the perspective of all the women of the honestly bring it on. I wrote. The first one is that there is no way I am not writing the rest of these Infidelities. Voice was so infatuated with her by the time I was like, Yeah, no, she could stay okay? And so some of them got kind of discounted that way. But generally it was as many women as as I could fit in. Oh, we should say at this point that you also do stand up comedy about classical characters. I do do that. Yes, And I want to say this also because you could hear the way that you talk about it. It's as if you know these people. Yeah, I don't have very many real friends. I should tell you that as well. It's a Basically just live in my flat under permanent lockdown hanging out with Greek women. It's quite old life. It's turned into someone I was expecting, but, yeah, no, I was a standard coming for about a decade a bit longer, actually. And so, yeah, I am used to talking to an audience about these women as though they were Real. I can't help it. There's this thing, though. You know the classics, as you say are part of our culture. And I use that word, I guess. Advisedly. I mean, it's really hard, isn't it? Because I don't have to say you know which bit of culture will Western. We're west of where you? Yeah. I'm sorry..
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"cristina beltran" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Research scientist at the University of San Francisco and a co founder of Masks for all a nonprofit focused on mask education. Thank you very much. Thank you. This'll is NPR news. Why have evangelical Christians back Donald Trump? Well, they're both hostile to democracy and democratic values. So what happens to those supporters now I fear that they're only going to become more angry and more aggrieved feeling like the president that they believe was anointed by God to restore the Christian nation. Donald Trump had the election stolen from him next time on reveal Today at 11 on 93.9 FM w N Y c support for w N Y C comes from cinema made in Italy and Super lt D Presenting No Tor No From Gianfranco Rosi, the director of Fire it see capturing the everyday life that lies in the aftermath of war in the Middle East. No Tor No is now playing in virtual cinemas. Weekend edition continues here on W N. Y c. It's 9 40 right now. Coming up. Iranians are looking at the Copa 19 crisis in their country with more fatigued than fear these days as they wonder how will affect upcoming elections and just a few minutes Lulu Garcia Navarro. Ask Cristina Beltran, professor of social and cultural analysis at New York University, about the phenomenon of multi racial whiteness. All just ahead on weekend edition. Former New York Mets manager Davey Johnson was released from a Florida hospital after treatment for covert 19. That's according to a former that spokesman Jay Horwitz. 77 year old Johnson was a four time All Star second baseman and manage the Mets. Their last World Series title in 1986 as a player. He won the world Syriza's With the 1970 Orioles, Johnson managed the Mets, the Reds Theo, the Orioles and the Dodgers as well as Washington, leading his teams to six first place finishes..
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"cristina beltran" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM
"Yes, every single one of these headlines is somebody hoping Hoping that these things end up coming. True New Yorker wrote the bitter fruits of Trump's white power presidency and okay, and this was echoed like You mentioned the Dyna superintendent. I remember her name now, but that idiot put out the presser or the press release. From the school district superintendent talking about it was white supremacy at work that I mean, just parroting this right here. But guess what? It was not even close to being the truth. Yeah, they ran out of white people. This'll white. This white does supremacist neo fascist movement ran out of white people. All you gotta do is go look at the videos of the capital Riots Look at the FBI's wanted mug shots afterwards, and this mob of Trump diehards were incredibly multiracial. The two most famous members of the proud boys are an Afro Cuban and a Samoan. Stop. The steel organizer Olly Alexander is black and Arab. And of course, there are November's famous exit polls would show that Joe Biden was carried to the White House by improving on Hillary Clinton's support with White voters. While faltering with Hispanics and blacks. So how do these people who are peddling this white supremacist neo Nazi rise of fascism all predicated around, you know a bunch of racist white people? How do they justify continue with that narrative? Oh, real simple. You don't have to be white to be white. And just the way that they can make up the rules as they go along and just make garbage up is incredible. You don't you no longer have to be white to be white White. Is now a term that is, that is that is describing your ideology. It's not describing your skin color, your race or anything else. So you would think that like a rational person be like, Hey, why don't we call it something else so that we don't like demonize all white people and and try to, you know, create this idea that every single white person is in part is a part of this big problem. No, no, no, no, no, That's not what they want. They want You to demonize white people. That's why they're continuing down this path, and now they've come up with the phrase multi racial whiteness. The Washington Post, Right ran a a piece by N. Y U history Professor Cristina Beltran. To understand Trump's support. We must think in terms of multi racial whiteness. Rooted in America's ugly history of white supremacy, indigenous dispossession and anti blackness. Multiracial whiteness is an ideology invested in the unequal distribution of land, wealth, power and privilege off form of hierarchy in which the standing of one section of the population is premised on the debasement of others. Multiracial whiteness reflects an understanding of whiteness as a political color on not simply a racial identity. It's a political color now. Are you too lazy to come up with a new word? Political color paint with all the colors of the book with all the political covers. Multiracial whiteness is a discriminatory worldview in which feelings of freedom and belonging are produced through the persecution and dehumanization of others. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Which side is engaging in the dehumanization of others, right? Because this whole article is a dehumanization process. That's all this is. It's taking everybody that you dislike and dehumanizing them and just calling him a group of whites. And it tells you it really does speak to how little they actually really genuinely care about what happened on January. 6. Yes, I'm sure there were members of Congress upset and worried about what happened. It shouldn't have happened. I'm sure there was some cause of concern as people were breaking in windows and obviously people died, but make no mistake. If you actually care about dealing with domestic terrorists or insurrectionists, then you need to identify them. Correct. Leah, This professor is an awful awful human being This n y u history Professor Cristina Beltran later in the piece. She writes, you know, she talks about those who those who were born Brown may fall into whiteness. If they embrace the evil and dangerous path of quote, color blind individual ism. That's what they're trying to squash 50 years. They're trying to squash color. Blind individual is, um they hate the idea of individualism. They hate the idea that one person can be in charge of their own destiny and their own life, and nobody else can tell them who they're supposed to be or how they are supposed to think they hate that idea, because that takes away power and control. And if you're born white well, Beltran offers them only one way to be free of the original sin on their souls. America's racial divide is not simply between whites and nonwhites. Thinking in terms of multiracial whiteness helps us recognize that much of today's political rift is a division between those who are drawn to and remain invested in a politics of whiteness, and those who seek something better way have to be better than white. It's Z Plato politics. I could just mold it, inform it to whatever fits the narrative that they want when the truth is too inconvenient for them. I mean, that's one of the men. You want to talk about it Inconvenient Truth, you know that It's an inconvenient truth for them that it wasn't a bunch of white nationalists. And so what did they do? It's like, play Doh man. They're just gonna mother mold it and they're gonna form it, And they're gonna twist it into whatever they want, And this is a direct byproduct of our education system. It's a direct byproduct of the indoctrination has been happening in our high schools that goes right into our university system, and all you have to do is go back seven years. Maybe remember all the conversations around the campus is we're suddenly now that you had all the groups wanted to be. They wanted to self segregate themselves. You know, they wanted their own dorm rooms, and we kind of sat back his talk show who's going? Whoa, whoa! What happened to Martin Luther King and Judge the person on the contact the you know, on the other character and not the color of their skin and all that. And suddenly no, there was too much power to be gained. I actually think that you know when President Barack Obama was elected, we were. We were in a pretty good spot, not in terms of our leadership, but just in terms of where we were of accepting one another across the board. Right, whether it was the gay community whether it was minority groups. We were doing a really good job. But guess what? There are a whole bunch of people that were losing a whole lot of power. They were losing a whole lot of power to be able to influence to bring in money right to have their voices out there and actually matters. What did they do? They just twisted it and distorted it. And this is where we are today. Multi racial whiteness Tim in a diner. Good morning. Good morning, so multicultural whiteness. Wouldn't that make Martin Luther King like the pope of multicultural whiteness? E mean the guy who wanted you know people to be judged by the content of their character, Not the color of their skin. Yeah, that I mean, that's that's a rather individual list. Way of looking at things and that is the That is what they're trying to squash. I think it only goes to show that they can take in misappropriate themselves into us into a used Campbell's tomato soup can of some type. Appreciate you called him. Well, you know what, And and I think it's almost like a like a half handed way to go and try to justify everybody from everybody conveniently forgot. Joe Biden's comments with Charlotte made a God and who, you know who made the comment of. Well, you know, if you don't you can't figure out whether who to vote for. You ain't black. Um, have you got for me? You ain't black, and it's the big because they're there. They're using skin color, and they've turned them into ideologies and they've done it and political color. They've done it in a way to try to Pressure you into into conforming and thinking the way they do. So we're gonna talk with representative Tom Emmer coming up next spending too much free time..
WLS-AM 890
"cristina beltran" Discussed on WLS-AM 890
"People who ride it? The answer is virtually nobody. And yet, for some odd reason, for some weird, odd, strange reason. It seems like they're claiming that tens of millions of Americans are in favor of what happened at the Capitol riots. And then there is the deeper perspective from Cristina Beltran. She's an associate professor of social and cultural analysis and New York University again a member of our elite ruling class. She had a piece of the weekend in Washington Post saying to understand Trump's support, we must think in terms of multiracial whiteness, so she's trying to understand how many people In the Latino community voted for Donald Trump, and how many members of black community voted for Donald Trump. Her answer is they're actually white. Because black whiteness is a serious problem. It sounds like an oxymoron to you. But apparently, according to this professor, it's a real thing. What are we to make of of the leader of the proud boys who is of Latino descent and more broadly of Latino voters inspired by Trump? What are we to make of on unmistakably white mob violence that also includes non white participants. I call this phenomenon multiracial whiteness, the promise that they, too, can lay claim to the politics of aggression, exclusion and domination. Mm mm. Good stuff here. So, basically, anybody who voted for Trump and is not white. Just they're still white. They just don't know They're white. Don't worry. This is bringing the country together. You see, it's all bring the country together because if you can claim white supremacy Lies at the root of your opposition. Well, then you can just ignore them, and you can excise them from American public life. Speaking of which There's a piece in The Washington Post from Kevin Blackistone, Kevin Blackistone, it most famously suggested back in 2013 that the national anthem of the United States was political and shouldn't be played at basketball games because our football games because there's a war anthem, they said on ESPN was war anthem. Nothing happened to him. Now. He is suggesting, of course, that Kelly Leffler, the defeated Soon to be former Georgia senator. Who owns the Atlanta Dream, which is a W NBA franchise that you should be forced out of the WN BA forced adamant because she was thinking of challenging the electoral votes in Congress, but then decided not to. For that you should be forced out of her position. Okay, This is how it's gonna go guys. People are going to be forced out of public life. The media are into it. The media love it. This is what they want. They're desperate for it. And then people wonder why the country is so divided. The country is so divided because you have one half of the country they would like to excise the other half of the country that does tend to create a few divisions. You can see this in the polling. There's a brand new Washington Post poll. Okay, And it's all about the incoming by an administration. It says that only 49% of Americans have a great deal or a good amount of confidence that Joe Biden will make the right decisions for the country's future. I'll be 89% of Democrats, of course, but only 43% of independents and 12% of Republicans, so nobody is actually all that confidence in Joe Biden. Beyond that, when it comes to things like Race. Only 51% of Americans believe that they have a good deal of confidence or any confidence in in Joe Biden to address unequal treatment because of race on Lee 50% of Americans believe that Joe Biden is going to improve America's standing in the world. Less than half of Americans believe that he's going to rebuild the economy. Like the polarization here is pretty extreme. And the reason the polarization is pretty extreme is because there is actually no attempt to understand anybody. On the other side of the aisle. There's only an attempt to excise everybody on the other side of the aisle and the media cheering it on, sharing it on. You want to know? I talk about the media. What, But the media is the chief method by which you get your information. Okay. It's like if somebody has a vision problem, and it turns out that no matter what they see, it is always in a particular shade. You might say, Oh, maybe it's the glasses you're wearing. Maybe that the media are the glasses the American public wears if those glasses happened to be tented, a particular shade every particular shade of blue Everything is going to be viewed. Throw those through those spectacles. And if somebody ever says Hey, you might want to try this at the pair of glasses. And then the members of the media like not you can't try this other pair of glasses. Those other pair of glasses make him to terrorists. Yes, that may have something to do with our common polarization, by the way, the media the media monopoly, But they're something to set up here through social pressure against the big tech companies on going through social pressure against you for the social pressure against your employers. What is it result in doesn't result in the kind of balance and objectivity that they proclaim it's going to result in. I will show you some pretty hardcore evidence, then no, All they want to do is just established. Monopoly on your informational sources while providing the democratic propaganda. It is obvious every single day. People always said that Trump he was unique. He attacked the press. No folks on my side of the aisle. My parents canceled the L A times in mid nineties because of the bias of the L A Times is a long problem and media's decision to become a tool of one political party as opposed to the other. Is one of the greatest exacerbating factors in the conflict. That is that is ripping apart American everyday life. Okay, so that that knew that new wonderful, clean and pure dissemination of information the organs of our media, the ones do you trust right now you go there for facts..
KTLK 1130 AM
"cristina beltran" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM
"What do they impeaching him from? Well, it's this is it's a pointless partisan exercise that the only purpose it serves is to throw chum in the waters for their base. Um And as we mentioned to, we're gonna add, add into it with things that they want to do via Congress, especially with another stimulus package for the money growing on the money tree that we have in D. C. Apparently, we have that 100 days. 18 weeks is a very It is a relatively short window to go in, launch a full Senate impeachment inquiry hearing and let's go here instead of sneaking up ahead. Spectator dot us. The article is titled the Terrifying Scourge of Multiracial Whiteness, but your headlines that broke out in the wake of what happened the capital in January 6 he had the ape years of white supremacy threats culminated in capital riots. Box. The capital Riot is a reminder of the links between police and white supremacy. New York Times America 2021 racial progress in the South Ah white mob in the capital. CNN Capital. Insurrection could be a bigger racial reckoning on George Floyd protests. This and none of these, All of these headlines were Not written to reflect what happened there written to reflect what they want to happen. Yes, every single one of these headlines is somebody hoping Hoping that these things end up coming. True New Yorker wrote the bitter fruits of Trump's white power presidency and okay, and this was echoed like You mentioned the Dyna superintendent. I remember her name now. But that idiot put out the presser or the press release from the school district superintendent talking about it was white supremacy at work that I mean, just parroting this right here. But guess what. It was not even close to being the truth. Yeah, they ran out of white people. This'll white. This white does supremacist neo fascist movement ran out of white people. All you gotta do is go look at the videos of the capital Riots Look at the FBI's wanted mug shots afterwards, and this mob of Trump diehards were incredibly multiracial. The two most famous members of the proud boys are an Afro Cuban and a Samoan. Stop. The steel organizer Olly Alexander is black and Arab. And of course, there are November's famous exit polls would show that Joe Biden was carried to the White House by improving on Hillary Clinton's support with White voters. While faltering with Hispanics and blacks. So how do these people who are peddling this white supremacist neo Nazi rise of fascism all predicated around, you know a bunch of racist white people? How do they justify continue with that narrative? Oh, real simple. You don't have to be white to be white. And just the way that they can make up the rules as they go along and just make garbage up is incredible. You don't you no longer have to be white to be white White. Is now a term that is, that is that is describing your ideology. It's not describing your skin color, your race or anything else. So you would think that like a rational person be like, Hey, why don't we call it something else so that we don't like demonize all white people and and try to, you know, create this idea that every single white person is in part is a part of this big problem. No, no, no, no, no, That's not what they want. They want You to demonize white people. That's why they're continuing down this path, and now they've come up with the phrase multi racial whiteness. The Washington Post, Right ran a a piece by N. Y U history Professor Cristina Beltran. To understand Trump's support. We must think in terms of multi racial whiteness. Rooted in America's ugly history of white supremacy, indigenous dispossession and anti blackness. Multiracial whiteness is an ideology invested in the unequal distribution of land, wealth, power and privilege. Ah, form of hierarchy in which the standing of one section of the population is premised on the debasement of others. Multiracial whiteness reflects an understanding of whiteness as a political color on not simply a racial identity. Political color now Are you too lazy to come up with a new word? Political color paint with all the colors of the book with all the political covers. Multiracial whiteness is a discriminatory worldview in which feelings of freedom and belonging are produced through the persecution and dehumanization of others. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Which side is engaging in the dehumanization of others, right? Because this whole article is a dehumanization process. That's all this is. It's taking everybody that you dislike and dehumanizing them and just calling him a group of whites. And it tells you it really does speak to how little they actually really genuinely care about what happened on January. 6. Yes, I'm sure there were members of Congress upset and worried about what happened. It shouldn't have happened. I'm sure there was some cause of concern as people were breaking in windows and obviously people died, but make no mistake. If you actually care about dealing with domestic terrorists or insurrectionists, then you need to identify them. Correct. Leah, This professor is an awful awful human being This n y u history Professor Cristina Beltran later in the piece. She writes. She talks about those who those who were born Brown may fall into whiteness. If they embrace the evil and dangerous path of quote, color blind individual ism. That's what they're trying to squash 50 years. They're trying to squash color. Blind individual is, um they hate the idea of individualism. They hate the idea that one person can be in charge of their own destiny and their own life, and nobody else can tell them who they're supposed to be or how they are supposed to think they hate that idea, because that takes away power and control. And if you're born white well, Beltran offers them only one way to be free of the original.
KTLK 1130 AM
"cristina beltran" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM
"Yes, every single one of these headlines is somebody hoping Hoping that these things end up coming. True New Yorker wrote the bitter fruits of Trump's white power presidency and okay, and this was at field like you mentioned the Dyna superintendent. I remember her name now, but that idiot put out the presser or the press release. From the school district superintendent talking about it was white supremacy at work that I mean, just parroting this right here. But guess what? It was not even close to being the truth. Yeah, they ran out of white people. This'll white, this white supremacist neo fascist movement ran out of white people. All you gotta do is go look at the videos of the capital Riots Look at the FBI's wanted mug shots afterwards, and this mob of Trump diehards were incredibly multiracial. The two most famous members of the proud boys are an Afro Cuban and a Samoan. Stop. The steel organizer Olly Alexander is black and Arab. And of course, there are November's famous exit polls would show that Joe Biden was carried to the White House by improving on Hillary Clinton's support with White voters while faltering with Hispanics and blacks. So how do these people who are peddling this white supremacist neo Nazi rise of fascism all predicated around, you know a bunch of racist white people? How do they justify continue with that narrative? Oh, real simple. You don't have to be white to be white. And just the way that they can make up the rules as they go along and just make garbage up is incredible. You don't you no longer have to be white to be white White. Is now a term that is, that is that is describing your ideology. It's not describing your skin color, your race or anything else. So you would think that like a rational person be like, Hey, why don't we call it something else so that we don't like demonize all white people and and try to, you know, create this idea that every single white person is, in part is is a part of this big problem. No, no, no, no, no, That's not what they want. They what you've to demonize white people. That's why they're continuing down this path, and now they've come up with the phrase Multi racial whiteness. The Washington Post, Right ran a a piece by N. Y U history Professor Cristina Beltran to understand Trump's support. We must think in terms of Multi racial whiteness rooted in America's ugly history of white supremacy, indigenous dispossession and anti blackness. Multiracial whiteness is an ideology invested in the unequal distribution of land, wealth, power and privilege off form of hierarchy in which The standing of one section of the population is premised on the debasement of others. Multiracial whiteness reflects an understanding of whiteness as a political color, and not simply a racial identities. A political color now. Are you too lazy to come up with a new word? Political color paint with all the colors of the poop all the political covers. Multiracial whiteness is a discriminatory worldview in which feelings of freedom and belonging are produced through the persecution and dehumanization of others. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Which side is engaging in the dehumanization of others, right? Because this whole article is a dehumanization process. That's all this is. It's taking everybody that you dislike and dehumanizing them and just calling him a group of whites. And it tells you it really does speak to how little they actually really genuinely care about what happened on January. 6. Yes, I'm sure there were members of Congress upset and worried about what happened. It shouldn't have happened. I'm sure there was some cause of concern. As people were breaking in windows, and obviously people died. But make no mistake. If you actually care about dealing with domestic terrorists or insurrectionists, then you need to identify them. Correct. Leah, This professor is an awful awful human being This n y u history Professor Cristina Beltran later in the piece. She writes, you know, she talks about those who those who were born Brown may fall into whiteness. If they embrace the evil and dangerous path of quote, color blind individual ism. That's what they're trying to squash 50 years. They're trying to squash color. Blind individual is, um they hate the idea of individualism. They hate the idea that one person can be in charge of their own destiny and their own life, and nobody else can tell them who they're supposed to be or how they are supposed to think they hate that idea, because that takes away power and control. And if you're born white well, Beltran offers them only one way to be free of the original sin on their souls. America's racial divide is not simply between whites and nonwhites. Thinking in terms of multiracial whiteness helps us recognize that much of today's political rift is a division between those who are drawn to and remain invested in a politics of whiteness and those who seek something better. We have to be better than white. It Z Plato politics. I could just mold it, inform it to whatever fits the narrative that they want when the truth is too inconvenient for them. I mean, that's where the you want to talk about it Inconvenient Truth, you know that That's it. It's an inconvenient truth for them that it wasn't a bunch of white nationalists. And so what did they do? It's like play Doh man. They're just gonna mother mold it and they're going to form it, and they're gonna twist it into whatever they want, And this is a direct byproduct of our education system. It's a direct byproduct of the indoctrination has been happening in our high schools that goes right into our university system, and all you have to do is go back seven years. Maybe remember all the conversations around the campus is we're suddenly now that you had all the groups wanted to be. They wanted to self segregate themselves. You know, they wanted their own dorm rooms, and we kind of sat back his talk show who's going? Whoa, whoa! What happened to Martin Luther King and Judge the person on the contact of the You know, on the other character and not the color of their skin and all that. And suddenly no, there was too much power to be gained. I actually think that you know when President Barack Obama was elected, we were. We were in a pretty good spot, not in terms of our leadership, but just in terms of where we were of accepting one another across the board. Right, whether it was the gay community whether it was minority groups. We were doing a really good job. But guess what? There are a whole bunch of people that were losing a whole lot of power. They were losing a whole lot of power to be able to influence to bring in money right to have their voices out there and actually matters. What did they do? They just twisted it and distorted it. And this is where we are today. Multi racial whiteness Tim in a diner. Good morning. Good morning, so multicultural whiteness. Wouldn't that make Martin Luther King like the pope of multicultural whiteness? E. In the guy who wanted, you know people to be judged by the content of their character, Not the color of their skin. Yeah, that's I mean, that's that's a rather individual list. Way of looking at things and that is the that is what they're trying to squash. I think it only goes to show that they can take in misappropriate themselves into us into a used Campbell's tomato soup care of some type appreciate You called him well, You know what, and and I think it's almost like a like a half handed way to go and try to justify everybody from everybody conveniently forgot. Joe Biden's comments with Charlotte made a God and who, you know who made the comment of. Well, you know, if you don't you can't figure out whether who to vote for. You ain't black. Have you got for me? You ain't black. It's the big because they're there. They're using skin color, and they've turned them into ideologies. Carrie, and they've done it and political color. They've done it in a way to try to pressure you into into conforming and thinking the way they do..
KTRH
"cristina beltran" Discussed on KTRH
"Maybe isn't too keen on the second Trump impeachment trial. Texas Senator John Cornyn Tweet tweeting this morning that multiple Republican and Democrat sources close to the impeachment trial negotiations. Tell us that Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts is looking to avoid presiding We're such proceedings. Kicks formerly known as the Dixie Chicks they performed in a virtual concert last night. They were raising money to relocate Ah Confederate statue from the Bass Drop County courthouse. Commissioners voted to remove the statues in July. They cost $50,000 to relocate more of these stories right now. A ktrh calm our next news update will be at the bottom of the hour. I live in southeast Houston, Your forecast is at the bottom of the hour on 7 40 ktrh. Okay, wrap your head with duct tape for this one. A bad published in The Washington Post last week. The raise eyebrows With its explanation, but then in air quotes of how it is the president Trump got as much support as he did among Latinos and African Americans. Cristina Beltran is a New York University associate professor riding to understand Trump's support. We must think in terms of multi racial whiteness. Mm. Mm. Pointing out that despite Trump's appeal to white nationalist She knows quite a few Latino or African American faces among the FBI wanted posters of the Capitol Hill rioters. Yes, Trump's voters and his mom, she says. Are disproportionately white. But one of the more unsettling exit poll data points of the 25 election was that a quarter to a third of Latino voters voted to re elect Trump. And while the vast majority of Latinos and an overwhelming majority of African Americans supported the bike, nearest ticket ever crucial do its success. Many black and brown voters have family and friends who fervently back the Maga policy agenda. Etcetera. It's several Jason Whitlock. Who contributes to Fox also is a sports writer and a sportscaster from Kansas City. Is also a conservative. Is tired of race being used to divide us. We have a problem here in America. The elites are running over the working class. We're demonizing a class of people. A 75 million Americans, if not more. We're destroying them. I'm looking at the media. The voices are being trampled upon Nancy Pelosi and all these politicians, Republican or Democrat are acting as if they just went through Pearl Harbor. And they did not. It was on tape. We've seen what happened. Was it the right thing? No, but it was not Pearl Harbor, and we have kids in America. Living with gun violence helicopters overhead gang by this gang culture who are being traumatized every day. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for Nancy Pelosi because People walked into the capital. Yeah, that's overblown. He thinks the whole thing is 7 27. Let's take a look at your money. Corny. Don ho, standing by with a look at how Wall Street's gonna open up this morning. Well, good morning, Jimmy Stock index futures, their higher the key event, We will be watching his Janet Yellen's confirmation hearing for Treasury secretary, the former Federal Reserve boss bidding.