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90. Top Five Bible Study Tips  #5

Magnify Him Together

09:27 min | 1 d ago

90. Top Five Bible Study Tips #5

"However. This is jay with the magnify him. Together podcasts this is episode number. Ninety two days title is tip number five and it's the first podcast in our series on the top. Five bible study tips. Well i hope you excited. Because i'm really excited about this series of podcasts. That are coming up where we're going to be exploring the top five bible study tips that i have come across in my life. And they're not just my tips and we'll see that as we move along so you're a young person you're interested in bible study and that is excellent. That's a wonderful thing but why well one of the reasons that. I started to get very interested in bible studies because i had a number of amazing sunday school teachers when i was a young person and i also attended bible schools from an early age and some of those classes that i heard from sisters who had taught sunday school at my leisure and also brothers that i heard these bible schools. Were these incredible classes. And these wonderful explanations about what the bible meant in what certain passages men and it made me wonder how in the world do you figure out how to do that. And so that's been something. I've always been interested in and i've always interested as well about how it is that people approach bible study and especially crystal fiennes with whom that i've grown up or i've heard classes from and have been helped by their classes. How is it that you go about bible study but you know it's really important that when before we even talk about this that we ask questions as to why it is that we want to to get into bible study. It is it just because we're curious. Well that's just a wonderful start but whenever we're on a quest to find these things it's not simply to find out we have to know that this is to glorify god and to help others as well and to help our own walk before our god. So one of the most important passages that we can go to when we think about bible study and i know that you will have heard this verse but i'm going to read it anyway. And that comes out of proverbs. Chapter twenty five adverse to and. There's that famous verse. It is the glory of god to conceal a thing but the honor of kings is to search out a matter so the beginning and end of this has to do with the glory of god. It's the glory of god to conceal a thing. And it's the honor of kings to search out a matter and really the principle of kingship or of rulership of having dominion has everything to do with learning about the will of god so that god is glorified and that we are not glorified. That's one of the first of all first principles of bible study. And you know. I mentioned to you that This is not just my top five list. I wanna let you know that. I reached out to a number of brothers who i look up to in the truth. Who have delivered very wonderful. Unhelpful bible talks. I actually put to them a number of questions hoping that they would get back to me. And so i asked several brothers for their top five bible study tips and i'm just kind of pulling from their ideas because these are also some ideas that i've used as well but it was really helpful to have these these conversations and to hear from them in writing in this case about what it was that they would say their top five bible study. Tips would be so that the first question i asked them in the second question was what have you learned about. Bible study that. You wished you knew when you started. I'm really interested to hear about that. Because if you're young person listening to this wouldn't you liked to know what some of the teachers that you've heard classes from would say to those who are starting off so. That's the question that i put to them. I'll be sharing those little tips with you throughout these next podcasts. So let's jump right into our top five bible study tips right now and talk about number five so number five has to be over before a number five. There's no one that's more important than another in the list that we're going through. We we had to do this in a series of podcasts but all of these are are essential and our number. Five is really. It could be a number one. Because it's something that you do before you have a look at bible study at all number. Five is prayer and one of the brothers. I sent my questions to to comment about these top. Five bible study. Tips was brother. Jim cowie and what uncle jim said and i'm quoting from him now. He said that prayer is the key to uncovering the secrets of the word of god and it should precede every approach to it now. That's not just the gyms advice. Although that they'd come from uncle. Jim and uncle jim Gave a bible verse with this as well and this comes from james chapter one so i want to leave you today with james chapter one because this really is what. It's all about here when it comes to bible study. We're studying the bible to seek the wisdom of god to be able to search out his word for his glory that he is hidden there like kings so when we look at james chapter one james has a lot to say about the wisdom of god versus the wisdom of nan and one of the things that i hope everyone takes away from bible study and as far as the tips go that we'll be talking about is that to become someone who understands the wisdom of god as it's revealed to us in the bible. It's not the same thing as it would be when you're studying for Another kind of academic field in the world and sometimes people approach the bible. Unlike it's just another just another thing to study. And what james is telling us is that it's something much much greater than that. So look what it says. In james chapter one verse five and this is what he saying. This is james. The lord's brother writing to believers who were scattered at that time. And he says that if any of you in verse five lack wisdom and you feel like you lack wisdom if any of you lack wisdom let him ask of god that gives us to all men liberally and up breath not and it shall be given him but let him ask in faith. Nothing wavering for he that waiver if is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed for let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the lord so we have to be single minded and we have to be focused and believing that will we ask god for wisdom. He will give it to us. If we're seeking if we recognize that we're missing wisdom that we needed that we don't understand something we can pray to god and he will open it to us. It's reminiscent isn't it. Of the words of the lord. Jesus christ ask and it shall be given seek and ye shall find knock in the door shall be opened unto you but we have to want it and we have to ask our god for so is that it. Is that the whole some total of what it is that we can do for bible study just simply ask god and the answers will just come to us while this is only the first of five podcasts. And we've only talked about number five so far but prayer is an essential first step. Thanks for listening. Please join us next time again for the next episode in this series on the top. Five bible study tips on the magnify him. Together podcast

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FXR Racing/Race Tech Privateer Island #131- Justin Rodbell

The Steve Matthes Show on RacerX

37:26 min | 3 months ago

FXR Racing/Race Tech Privateer Island #131- Justin Rodbell

"Welcome. Everybody to another edition of the fx racing race tech suspension privateer island life podcast. This is number one, thirty, one, Justin Rodbell who really opens him is this this past weekend and truthfully Sauce qualifying time here and there for pulp mix fantasy could never really put it together while he did this weekend and he's got something you can't teach which that's raw speed. So look forward to talking to Justin brought to you by law ethics racing designed by razors four races filled Nicoletti running ethics are racing brock tickle ethics are raising getting a second place this. Past weekend also from the folks that Africa Racing Pulp Thirties, the code to stay with them. So if you go to efforts raising DOT COM, go to the website punching their code, you can say whatever racing and all the stuff that they have. Fantastic. A bunch of guys up there ray tech suspension, Justin Rodbell using race tack of course, on his Max's SGB Cowie team. 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We're GONNA I'M GONNA ask. Rodbell about his Max tires the scoop thirty around this weekend. Max Dot Com minion mountain bike tires my choice I light truck tires, UTV tires and. I've got a set of my blue crew right now although I've only ridden once. In a month and a half. So it's been great on the a dirt bike riding enjoyment level. So Max's Dot Com for more information firepower as well. Got Batteries that array and Rodbell US they've got changed at Chisholm uses and Ben Lemay and other guys, and they've got oil as well. The all new firepower Motorola's built from the ground up by leading OEM manufacturing of the highest quality firepower parts dot com just got an email from top privateer this week looking to get onboard with the firepower guys because the products really good and it works well. So thank you the firepower parts, DOT com. Thank you to everybody listen to this Justin. Rodbell coming right up and enjoy yourself. As promise everybody on the Racing Race Tech suspension privateer in life podcast one, thirty, one, a writer that really opened. Some is this past weekend and I noticed him in. Salt Lake. City when I picked them for pulp amax fantasy one time it's just in Rodbell. What's up man? How are you? What's up man just finishing up Airbus great for the day. Not. Much just trying to get it in when I can. Yeah so I've written buds during the week way back when it's nothing like a national prepped. Wise but that's probably a good thing for you right? I mean, it's Driza bone. We're just trying to get into laps. Dude S. GB MAX's Kawasaki Tenth Overall. You gotta be stoked. That's that's awesome. You were I think you should probably around one you're on a four fifty you surprised at round one good finishes and this weekend you took it to another level you gotta be so happy. Well round was actually like a big bummer for me because I was like super dehydrate it. Like, after the first photo I'm getting undressed and my arms locking up. It was just downhill from the start the second. Like I'm cramping up out mid noto like it was just a bad day. So second round I was like hope. Obviously hoping it wasn't GonNa Rain Big Guy 'cause I was riding with a all week. Once let me walk away from this machine. and. So we're riding all week and then. I felt good on the bike like came out. He might have been onto fifty bucks are styles ever better than him? Bike track. Missiles Air. Good laughs and then we rolled around. And I just I don't know man just went out there and have fun. Yeah. No, that's awesome. It got look brutal man. It did not look fun out there at all not one was tough but round was amazing. Yeah well. See. Pictures of myself people are like Oh check how this takes. It did my goggles shop is like down below. And I'm like Jesus Christ La-. Yeah, man now. It's really cool. Tenth overall. How fomin blown up all week of course, everybody. Yeah, everyone's like dude fucking sick out like all the locals are both green. Do that was that ass? Like keep it up. So yeah, I'm high. You know I, know I got definitely I got lucky with the few spots out there like dude fine breaking right now we all know that but I'm still I take what I can get you know yeah. How did you feel your bike? Was it fine? No problems like whatever you were doing was working or did you feel the clutch going or getting hot or anything like that? I had a little sputter. Kinda out there crews and. Never. Really read my stuff that much. No that's that's that's part of the game is trying to keep your bike going and I wrote in my column like look some you can be perfect and you're gonNA blow up and it's like Aww Shit like I get it. But also as a writer you do and I was a mechanic for a long time, you have responsibility to try to get you bypass those conditions you really do and. Again not blaming every single ride on the bike breaking, but this is stuff you've got to think about. Yeah like like before we went on for practice at back in iron man I got like a thirteen role in the mud but the first modem I bike blew up because of the chain of gotten too tight like before we even went on for practice I was like Yo demand mechanic said you change just a little bit you know with all this is going to tighten up. I. Little things that you kind of have to be. Aware of right. There you broke up a little bit Sammy now you're you're back. Yeah I was saying. There's definitely some little things out there that. You can do to your bike. To help you in the mud, right? Yeah absolutely. While looks like you might. Just already lose that three number just on these results on the weekend. So congratulations north that's pretty impressive. Gone after sixty nine, that's the Golden. Not Nice I. Like it I like it. When do we talk about a ray now or later? What do you think? About them now. He's he's not happy with me right now. Abby not happy. I was upset right now he's very sensitive time for him. Aren't DNS for area yes. Not going well I mean. Yeah. No, it's not. But like I said to him, he was all mad all frustrated and I was like, Hey, look man you know you gotta You Gotta By the way broken, the second modal right in front of me and it was with a lap and a half to go there was literally all he had to go. Yeah I saw I. saw him sitting there and I was like man yeah. And, he talks Eretz. Registered his bike he grabs handfuls a throttle. He clutches crazy. It's GonNa be tough for him to make it. Now he swears he wasn't that bad this weekend and Blah Blah Blah and then I said, well, look at dude you were. Nobody thought you were really going to finish and then he got really mad and. Keefer Christopher was on the tax and. He's well, I'll just quit racing I'll just quit racing then. Race that I'm like nobody's racing calm down nobody said you need to quit. and. He gets so worked up like what we have the practice strike or like last week. Like test some tests. East era. See us. So they're called electronic. And I was just like I want the Stockland don't touch my bike like it's good. I. Just need to get better this week. So they're testing some things and he's just like it ain't fucking different. Different. Like. It's the same thing I'm tired of this. Your calm down calm down. No, exactly right, and so the next day he sent me a photo of justice bike with the clutch moved way up like out of wasn't using the clutch who's trying to ride with no clutch, right? And then he's saying the first week was the team's fault wasn't necessarily his fault and Shit happens I was a mechanic again. So pulled over are you got pulled off Earth Meadows? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he's like well, the first week wasn't me And I'm just like well, do listen I don't know man and so he's very angry with me. I don't if our friendship will survive, maybe he'll never come on pulp it'll just be swallowed alive from now on. Guy. Big Swap Guy for sure. But he started with pulp just make sure everybody knows that he's startled pulse swap took him. But. Seriously down at his house, right riding with them and all that. As it helps you out I mean look he's a supercross event guy you know easy fast pass rider. We did honestly like we just have like a great time. The whole time we're hanging out. I mean, obviously go out and mess around and dump stuff. We get the work done to so. we get along just let like we do the same shitty the same stuff. Yeah. No houses little backyard track there. How is that place? Dude? It's the sick. It's got the GNARLIEST rollers I think on the east coast you'll ever find. Those rollers will like I was so glad I didn't wreck wants to them because they if you didn't get him Oh my gosh. You'd be laid out. Tennessee. He he's just the king of that place. Scotty probably dominated all those trophies. He's God and money races or whatever. So. Was Out of the House I was like second like a second like a second faster. Then I'm sorry boy I. A little bit like we were we'd put in the House together Yup. Faster means it's pissing me off. I'm just happy he's back with Jay bill maybe it'll be a bit calmer now he's back home with. Pop Right. Back on the program and Kelly for sure your ride for the Max discounts team said we're using a of scoop. This week at the scoop eat. The Max Scoop easily. And I it's actually a great tire like man Alex we're talking about like dude I practice every race this year run escape. Yeah why not write as well Yeah. So how did you get on that team? I'm guessing the Maryland collection a little bit right? Is that how you got to know the guy and got on sub Kawasaki? Yes, so all kinds of like at the beginning of supercross. He's like dude. Come race four, fifty, supercrew swarming and I'm like I am not ready for that. I was like I don't know. I'M GONNA. I I do get my diploma saw. The college getting my taking my classes instead of racing Super Cross and They turn a rolls around and I was like you know what? Show but Daytona Yamaha. So Jason Do my Super Cross suspension. And rolled down there my van. I ended up qualifying like. Yeah, I'm like Holy Shit I. got a chance to make the main tonight. So then I qualify straight to the main I'm like I'll get back to the van and I'm like. Let's go like I was hyper. So. Then we went to. Actually signed a deal with ev are. Okay after that as a filling Guy Yup. So. I'm like I'm like super pumped. I got this Casey. M Neil I sat me brand new answer gear like I'm ready to rip at Indy and Ben Cronin rolls around the. stunk yeah. So I got no Katie M. Deal. Back to square one on this Yamaha and I'm like. and. A buddy of mine had a couch for fifty south like six grand I went out and so my Omaha. And bought the Kauai. And that's my practice. I've been riding every day not every day but. And then I got a job right when I got back from. Daytona. Doing Hvac because I was like I don't know what the future holds from owner cross. Crowd GonNa be to the September. Started working. My boss actually is really into motive so he likes loves it. and. He's like I needed some help with my race by getting nothing up. So he actually bought me that and You, know Jason's help me out with the rest of the things. Get parts of stuff on the bike travel taking the bike to the race. So to make it all work. Yeah. I got a lot of questions here. We got a backup I got a question. Okay. So what you're going to call it, what do you take him? No No. No. I got my high school diploma Oh. Your High School. Okay, you got you jammed nineteen God. God? Okay, you have a job right now you're working and it just got tenth overall. Yeah. Wow That's nice. That's impressive. Worked today. That bikes in the van straight straight to the Creek Yup. That's laps down. So far. So HVAC are you like crawling in addicts and stuff? Yeah Oh dabble dude. That makes you want to go faster and train and everything else right every time. I look at my. I was like this makes me WanNa go so much faster at thirty minute mode. Do, you want to be in that. Attic tomorrow. Yeah now for sure it. So the race itself. Uneventful for you I mean, you moved up both motos. You just slowly steadily moved up both motives it looked like. Yeah like the first I came out this off the start and I had a six start went on the second corner or something like sweet. and then just kind of just got up and plug guys away like. I'm mechanic, Mackenzie, but on board like eighteen I'm like. We're like we're making mood, there's like sixteen. Then I see like cody shocked me and I'm like all right I need to pass him like like. Being carried. We've kind of grown up racing each others. Of us to be you know like. At the pro level doing. All right it's like hell Eso about him. But in the second I felt like I like I felt really good. Like, a second hydrated I went out there. I think pass bowers. Never passed like tyler right right. and. Then like. Have Barsha I think pass me then fell but then he didn't catch me like fifteen twenty minutes. Caught. Me passed me then fell again. So I asked him again. So. Then he catches me again and I pulled over and I'm like Dude Barsha. Go you one the first. I want nothing to do with you. Please just get away from me. By and then the next office by. Jesus Christ? It's hilarious and you're just you're just plugging along go. Look at Barsha Oh bowers, Oh yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like sitting on the gate I was like next to Osborne I'm like. Holy Shit like do that soccer for? Yeah. No. Problem Fantasy just crushing it for the. People that play that game by the way just got some pleasant messages this weekend, right? Have you ever gotten ugly messages? Not like you ugly but like I picked last week. Yeah. It's it's. It's pretty amazing. So You made out of Salt Lake City didn't you for a little bit? Yeah. So I I literally, that's a wild story 'cause I. Jason Hit me up like you WANNA raise. Salt Lake Yup. Why not go out there trying to make some money. So he's like, all right. The bike will be there. So I, just showed up never go to county to before. And get on it and I'm like man this things. So no offense Jason. But this thing's really slow like I. Don't know what's going on like all its altitude and I never wrote an altitude before. I'm thinking, Jesus, Christ altitudes GNARLY. So I got I'll do practice. And you just cook in the motor like something's gotTa be wrong your. Tuesday and a half off. On the timing Yeah Oh, Boy Aso I'm out there around like a teacher I want twenty-five like couldn't even double in the rhythms through. The slow. Scratching my head heart yeah. So. Making one main out there. Right? Right I. Think you. You got better. I'm you for a while Read supercross before but. I don't know you solely got better in Salt Lake I felt like as the races went on. Yeah, I never owned that. Until I got there. Around one like I go to the heat and I never even done a lap and I I like it like eighth or ninth I'm like ninth cold Turkey into the loops never had them before. I ain't even hit loop since Daytona before that so. Straight into the heat I'm like holy crap man just the first couple of. But then Hooked me up with mountain bike. Mountain, biking like and slobber out there every day. bobsled that's all they went. All they wanted do is Bob bobsled they box like three times a day I know I was getting so pissed today. Ray. Did, I took I took A. Electric bike and went up there and stole all the coms like the fast one. The long one I was like fuck these mom hey, I was riding with him up there. And and he he's writing and he's pulling away from me, which is no big deal but then I, go to trail on my bike and he's gone and I'm like, Dude, what are you doing? He's GonNa. Turbo. Professional. Athlete and you just going to ride around in turbo. Okay. Got It. Got It. All right. So gnarly thing I. Know I was I was I was like, aren't you? An athlete? Shouldn't you be like I said I'm fat and I'm in. Trail Trying to grind it out here. You know what? I mean pro I got to recover I need to recover and I'm like Oh God give me a break. But I don't want anything to do with any of those things on. The real small stuff on. Bob. So that's all I would do. That was Did I hit every jump? You're young. So Brian Lopes. Brian lives plus. I we're just like, yeah, we're going mountain biking like get dress. We had the travel slop. This is another do their your what's up man he's like I'm Brian. Comes Austin my meet you. Start Cycling. Mike this this. Lives. We start going down the hill and I'm like swap this. Offering. Nuts. And then so I was like you don't know who he is this rat we're done bobsled. So you. Know who is he? He's like check at ten time World Champ Brown. Explains it. Thanks for telling me go downhill mountain bike legend, right? Yes. He did this like these drops on the side of the trail up. And since he did him, I was like well, this dude soon and I gotta do it. So I'm like sending scratchy stuff. We're just doing the skin she stopped going down the hills and. I like this one video. Like through a whip feet come off I ended my life, and then like I go down the hill this one drop. And there's probably the biggest ever done. And I like clip a brand my hand almost talks. And Good Matt Sketchy, and I didn't always Brian Lips. So yeah. That's that's how goes right. No I felt like, yes. So you had to be happy to the Salt Lake thing then that was pretty good. I left salt like pumped. Yeah definitely. and An and you're calling them addicts too much later. The day I land straight into attic. Now, I was high but salt lake we kinda just did her is like let's see if we can make semaines and then the next year next year, we need to do to the bike like to competitive, right? You know I I talked Jeremy Smith Your teammate last week and You're Kinda like him I don't know yet. All I just watched you from traders. We'll talk about traders in a second, but I kind of like you can go fast Jeremy, you can go fast you can. Times you know. Like yeah. So last year I raced in Australia. I don't know if you know that I even know. So I raised for Zouqi team over there next to. 'EM X Waters Kirk gives Luke Cloud Brent metcalf. Like dude the names I'm like these guys could be my dad like this. But I just like. So I went over there for. Actually flew there on a one way ticket for like a competition to win a ride. Okay. It was supposed to be like twenty thousand dollars paid. And all expenses paid. So I fly over there I win this ride I was riding is the Sukey so that was Kinda. An. But I was making it work like. Got A top five over there against like Nelson guys qualified like. Second, one round behind Farris So like I like I knew coming into this year like my one lap speed. Yeah. Is there it's more of like my fitness sure I just think like that thirty minute. It just hurts me like. So as long as I'm hydrated like I'm good but the moment dehydrated. That's when the anchor comes out while definitely some fantasy people have been burned by your qualifying times in the past like Jeremy Smith right but. Jerry qualifies. But. You have. But people can't what you have. You can't teach your skills are are legit. Spiritus feed you right. Now you can critique how long he can last in the Moto, can't teach someone to go. No, that's why I like. Telling Jeremy like that's that's something special that you can lay down a lap like that. You know how to ride a dirt bike very, very good. You know so. Just, got to put the rest of it back together. Right? Brought to you by by the way ethics Racing Race Tech suspension privacy I use rates tech, right challenge, Race Tech, a outlet. So yeah, fantastic ethics are racing. Next thirty is the code of Ethics are Racing Your Your O.`Neil with your buddy era they're. Also, brought to you by firepower, Niemira and Max talking about the Max's scoop. Mirror has Alva- fifty years experiencing industry firepower commits to quality value and service for your machine. Firepower offers change made in Japan feather-light Lithium batteries and oil to stand his test of any power sports vehicle and the Mirror Pistons era uses Mirror Pistons the dot com fourteen champions one at a time. Please check those guys out Max Tires of course, get the scoop or get the St's you probably ran tease in Salt Lake. I would guess I would think, yeah. They like the regular time Yup Yup, the regular tire and please check them out mountain bike tires to I. Love the minion tires. Celeste from the folks at tire. So Justin Rodbell on the on the privateer podcast here. So you're you run to fifty eight because you're one better than James Stewart that's what I heard. You're just you're one better. FIFTY-EIGHT I number. When you go pro, you know they make you. I'm just kidding around the. Tight hopefully, two to yeah. No. So really like your decision to go four fifty nationals as we've seen in these few years. Now you're four it was more because SGB backs his cowie had a bike right? I guess it sounds like well now it's just dude I love the four fifty like I've always been a four fifty. and like. I I talked to Jason. Fifty outdoors like you're just shooting yourself in the foot. Well. Yup. I'll just as I read the four fifty in Australia like I could ride it. It's just being strong enough that thirty minutes on it. How'd you knock in Australia by the way? How'd you do in the series? I think I got like six overall and. All right. So like Atlanta like. I think. Walters won the championship cloudy Second Melrose third. metcalfe's fourth or fifth. Gibbs in front of me cart gives. ME. Back, actually so listen to this. I So after outdoors melrose blood. His knee so. That race line needed a writer. So. I signed a deal with them. And then after like two months testing. I went to you've ever heard of Bali Indonesia. Yeah. Yeah. So I went to Bali with a group of kids. to renew my visa. Okay. So I renew my visa I was only a three month Edna. So I renew it go back. And Border Patrol stops me like, Hey, we got a few questions. I'm like Oh. All right. Let's see what's going on here. Yeah like. Like, you might WanNa grab stuff and I'm like all my stuff's here like I brought a backpack for a few days. In down came back. So like all right. Sit down. So I go on there and they're like interrogating me like we know you're I think someone caught in like tip them off or something because I hadn't known everything I really pro over there seen an American So. So, they're interrogating me Mama boss had like three hours and they're like, can we get your phone I'm thinking is like a as an eighteen year old can do the cops you. If you can run, you just give it to him. You know. I'm just scared. Well so they go through my text messages on had found like where the team had given me money. They're like, yeah, we gave us five hundred ad. Yeah. So like Oh you've been here met working like. Cancel. Sent me so. Take me out the hat take out the airport in handcuffs. To like like attention center. No way they look fight real deal. So I just stay there by one way ticket home like run off the going. then. and then I'm just like at that point. I'm just kind of like now you're banned from Australia ban now. For Two years two years twenty, twenty, one, I'm heading back. I love my all season. Do. So what about your stuff that was in Australia I have I have like a three thousand dollar track road bike I bought. For. Five Bell of couple pairs as stars brand new bunch of fresh story gear. Like A and There were three suitcases full of clues. Now having got. Dude. That's crazy. You must be freaking out. Yeah. It was like come on. Yeah she's. Funny. I follow the Ozzy series I follow. Moto online and Gobert, and I never saw your name like I never saw I didn't even put together that. Much. Clout. We'll say that how much clout from them much lou clout get it. Yeah. Like like I like cloudy was like he was actually one of the dudes up was cool with me. Read by. standoffish. But most of these were cool. The tracks like. Like buds today. I drive. Yeah. I can imagine for sure like I said, I've been there during the week and everything else. All right. So I remember the traders thing and that's a Maryland maryland-based team, the restaurant and everything else, and they gave you a couple of shots. A couple of races I guess that's about it. Right? They kind of Said I. You know the owner or how'd that come together for you to get a? Them. A little bit. Yeah. So the amateur thing I they helped me out like they let me racer to Fifty Loretta. And the regional because I didn't have it to fifty at the time and I'm like the owner has sponsored me since I was on a fifty. Okay. Satellite we go like I've known him thousand. Little Kid. and. So we raise at US and skip nor folk I know I'm sure you've. skip skip. Sat me down after US I think I gotten like six overall and open pro sport. And I should've Gotten v over onto the DA. But the last laugh of the last moto I got cleaned up by lapper and like ruined, my bike couldn't even finish. So they signed me down listen like probably not the best idea to try to go, Pro Dila. Blah Blah Blah on wait till next year. So I'm like. All right. That's fine. You know. I respect you guys like enough to believe that I'll wait till next year. So then I come to like Budd's creek the weekend after the week before that Pro National Bud twenty eighteen and the owner he's like listen man he's like I don't know. How much longer like we're going to be a team some things going on. If you WANNA race like next weekend. Next Lincoln you should probably right. So I'm like, all right, the last two if the opportunity, I can't turn down opportunity. So I showed up the buzz like never done a thirty minute modo tie to a one. And then Motor to like I was just so tired and cast out. I've been terrible that day and then I went to Ironman scored points. Well. That screwed me because I couldn't raise an amateur race the following year. Yeah. True. And traders didn't want anything to do with me because I remember the club. So they had riders. Yup. So I'm sitting there like well I'm not. I don't have any money to go racy supercross crosses like as a privateer. And so I just didn't see anything happening so. Talk to my parents I was like. Over in all sees Australia, there's this team I know try out. Twelve hundred dollar flight I was like worse comes to worse. I. Just went over there for a month and didn't get the ride. and. So I ended up winning it and then and then hey. Yeah. Well. That's what I did. That's pretty cool. Did you rent a Canadian national? Now, I've always wanted to i. felt like I saw your name one time but maybe not. Okay. So so growing up I'm guessing you just kind of had a middle class upbringing with your mom and dad just kind of. You know like. I. Did like amateurs like I've won amateur nationals. Podium, Loretta probably like podium has to handle at times like money Adler at. Isn't Superman. Seventy two, I got four. It's like I was a silent week for me, right? And from that I was like Dang like Superman you might get a little help. Got Like contract for the next year. I'm like denting. This is tough. And then like I went to big bikes and I wasn't that good. Just not enough to like get factories support, right? Right? Yeah. I've just been kind of just grinding having fun with my friends working in engineering. Siege King Right. I don't even mind when. I. Like the way I live now it's like fun erase like. We're just. I just have fun. So I enjoy and you grew up around buds like Marilyn there. Yeah I left thirty minutes away. Okay. All right. So I'm local. y'All never WANNA go catch some fish we take crabbing. AUTRE I. WanNa. Go the traders guys place one time. I. Have Been told about it and I just never never made it out there. You know yeah it's beautiful out there though for sure it's all set right on the water. Nice. No for sure. Any STRANA. Stories from you. Yeah I actually. Recently it was on ESPN. Oh, you did that. Second He's Stank talk will. Hey. How about thanks right on the weekend. So before practice stanks like. A walks up to me the night before he's like he's like dude. If I qualify faster than you. Tomorrow you give me fifty push-ups sits. Thank you on crack. You're not coughing faster than me on a stock to fifty. Yeah. No I'm with you on that. There's no jets that's happening right but like at but it poured down rain. Fifty be practice. He didn't race outdoors yet. So like he knew he had a chance and I'm like. Let's go. I'm on floor fifty and I'll send it like I can do one lap. Yeah we. We've seen neck so. So he did like a two Oh three seven I did a two three five. o'clock this and I'm like Stanton get down. Give me fifty right. He would have been like right around top ten overall to if his by cat and blue apron a secondhand killed it. Yeah. crushed. Absolutely and then I saw him given the phantom devil horns when he was blown up bike love and. In your does not care. No not at all Justin Rodbell on the fx racing race tech suspension, privateer island podcast, tenth, Overall Loretta Lynn's too. So our. Job, you're flying to the races you're. You're plant. I'm GONNA drive this weekend because it's only about like ten hours. Okay. Yeah. I was GONNA fly around but I got a few friends when I guess we'll just hop in my man rip there. And I'm like Michigan I'll probably fly to. Like. My boss is Super Bowl. He'll give me the photo, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like it's cool. When you have someone that's like understand you turn. Like fighting against it yeah. Yeah. No absolutely man that's and so then now and you're practicing on two fifty. Four fifty. To fifty to practice on. Okay I'm sorry now I gotTa Stop. Floor fifty. All right. And you like the Cowie it's good. Enjoy that I love the cat. Because you've been. The yeah well. Yeah. For fifty it's like it's really slim at handles really well. Not Like I've won this bone stock probably put one hundred hours on it. Knock on wood and still kicking how about just super team over there in the maximum sub cowie yourself and Jeremy killed last week and a raise just a fan favourite. Just you guys were just really making your mark here or just killing it. Yeah and you're on your way in the back right? It's I mean. Better than us as a privateer team, you know not so far absolutely, and we're GONNA hold it down this year problem fantasy absolutely between you and Jeremy the two weeks guys just yeah. And Crushing it for the winners. Maybe This weekend. Bro. Hey we're supposed to get some more rain. I don't know if you've heard that if you've seen it but we're supposed to get some of that hurricane that's hitting the coast. So usually just don't even check the weather. I man if we if we get more rain, it's going to be just a disaster. Is there a track you're looking forward to? The left on the circuit. I've never. I've never even been the red bud. What is wwe after that ww absolutely not looking forward to w you know how? I'm going to get. What? DENVER MILLVILLE Yeah Millville Denver I'm looking forward to Melville place. I'm never been. It looks really cool. Yeah. So, you've only so many nationals be ridden in just those two like two. That was it? Oh, wow. Okay. I felt like to eighteen yep. Everyone was like, where's your results? I'm like I need help to put the results, right? So I was like I was like I have to go to Australia counterpart I. I have you been one of the first guys have similar Rocco's leap than when you get there I feel like that's your move oh yeah. Yeah. I definitely want to get that. Yeah. I feel like you've you've got that all day long. It's awesome to to talk to you man thanks for thanks for coming on I. Glad. Era is taking you under his wing. Tell Them I'm sorry if you've talked to tell. This winter we're GonNa, WE'RE GONNA DO BOOT camp together. All, right. Yeah. Fantastic. Come on. Guys come over the studio pulp Mexico studio and hang out, and hopefully I will be friends by then I hope. So yeah. Well congratulations man really really good job. Keep it up. Ethics are racing race tech suspension privateer. Aydin, life brought to you by new maximum firepower. Justin Rodbell thanks buddy and keep it up this weekend. We'll. We'll talk to you. Thanks.

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The Targeter

I Spy

29:26 min | 7 months ago

The Targeter

"If you're interested in spice stories you might like to subscribe to another podcast true spies. You'll meet the people who navigate this secret world. What do they know one of their skills? And what would you do in that position? Look for true spies. Wherever you get your podcasts. This is I spy. Show from four policies where spies story. We're following the vehicle and he pulls in twos or Kelly pulls into this farm essentially with like a grove of trees that are set up to block the win for all the buildings around there. The canopy of the trees. We can't see through it so we don't know what where he's gone at this point he got out and ran and we couldn't see him. We don't have any way to tell special operations forces on the ground like which way went They get to the pickup and capture all the belongings and everything and confirm it was him in the car Because he had he left everything behind that was that was incredibly infuriating to get that close to him without actually capturing him from foreign policy and spice gape welcome to ice by realize spice stories told by the people who were there each week we feature one former intelligence operative from somewhere around the world describing one operation. I'm Margo Martindale on today. Show Native Bach owes a CIA target or lead a two year hunt for a man in Iraq. Abu Musab cowie the al Qaeda jihadist had carried out some of the deadliest attacks of the Iraq war against Americans and Iraqis bacchus worked on the operation side of the agency while targeting czar. Cowie but she started her career with the CIA as an analyst. Our story begins in two thousand. Three after the first round of America's major combat operations in Iraq after the start of the war. They were looking for volunteers. That would go to Iraq in order to help. Continue to work on whether or not we can find information that ties al-Qaeda and nine eleven to Iraq so our team had volunteer and we were sending one person at a time and I just volunteered to to be the second person on our team to fly there. The agency had started sending analysts into conflict zones in war zones prior to nine eleven but after nine eleven they needed that subject matter expertise on the ground so they sent them into Afghanistan and then they sent them into Iraq analysts were working alongside the operations colleagues. Because it was just much more efficient to do that on the ground versus waiting for that information to come back to headquarters. I hadn't been to a war zone before so I wasn't really sure what to expect. But I end up on a plane on with all the cargo. They strap in some Toyota pick-up trucks. And we're sitting within the cargo. Hold of this airplane and I'm looking around thinking everybody in here must know a lot more about what to expect than I do because I really had no clue. I didn't have a lot of training before I went because it is just a very quick. You know we need analysts in country right now and my then department head wasn't super interested in me attending all the weapons trading that I needed prior to going because he wanted us to be there doing the analytic work versus training for an opposite type of role so I was a little nervous but I actually got to sit up front with the pilots for a little while and a jump seat and part of part of that trip that I got to sit up front. was landing into Baghdad and I started seeing essentially what looked like fireworks and knew wasn't fireworks so I asked them just to confirm my suspicion and it was tracer fire. The people were shooting up at us from the ground as we were coming into Baghdad. So that was my first experience with the war so my job in Iraq was to continue to look for information that would tie Iraq to Al Qaeda or nine eleven. There were obviously In a burgeoning insurgency. We know that now at the time the administration was not interested in having that conversation we couldn't even use the term insurgency or insurgents a But my main focus personally was cowie. Was there Kelly still in the country? What was answer all Islam to and terrorist plots are operations are being conducted currently so by that time the agency knew quite a lot about Sir Kelly. He grew up in Jordan. That's where he ended up developing his first. You know sort of localized group. He had been a wreaking havoc in Jordan in the ninety S. There was several things that he had been tied to as far as Harris activity in Jordan because his focus initially was mainly the Jordanian kingdom he had started to build a training camp in Afghanistan. That was KINDA CO located with Al Qaeda. It was a separate camp. Al Qaeda wasn't interested in him at the time he wasn't interested in their agenda. Were sharing space. Probably using each other's training obstacle courses that we see all these videos from shared ideology in the sense that they're both extremists but he had a completely different focus and then he ended up after nine. Eleven and moving out of Afghanistan he traverse through Iran and ended up in northern Iraq. And that was the concern. He was co located with a local terrorist. Group called answer all Islam and he started building. This bio weapons factory essentially. That actually sounds much more salacious than it actually was it was a really rudimentary effort at develop bioweapons. So I ended up having to debrief a lot of detainees came in. I would look through the list. Caesar's anybody that made sense for me to look at in to ask you no questions about terrorism but also Working with the what. We called high value detainees so those from Saddam's upper echelon of his government turkeys was Saddam Hussein's foreign minister. I had a few conversations with him. The first one that stood out was when he was actually in the hospital for essentially heat stroke so my at the time was to go in and just talk to him about the topics of terrorism in any of Iraq's connections to terrorism. Well I found that Tar Diseases. Not One for Words so he told me essentially what I already knew about. Iraq's connections with different terrorists or regional organizations which are pretty loose and the facts. They didn't have a connection with al Qaeda central and why they didn't have an interest from an ideology perspective and from security perspective. That would put him on the radar Saddam on the radar of a lot of western countries. In a way that he did not want the attention he was more interested in being the strong man. The dictator giving any power to al Qaeda would have been like analytical to everything that he wanted and believes in the course of that whole conversation. Of course I was getting the sense that he was kind of trying to recruit me to have empathy and sympathy and I think Which wasn't surprising to me. He's he's of the generation that thinks all women are an pathetic and maternal but when he realized that I wasn't going to play that game then he just started acting like a belligerent nursing. Home patient opening his hospital gown. He's sitting there in his underwear and just starts flapping it and he's clearly trying to get a reaction from me and I didn't give it to him. I just sat there and just continue to ask questions like he wasn't naked. So that's probably the most interesting conversation in our interview that I had while I was there a lot of people I talked to were just Iraqis trying to figure out how to make this work. They have all of a sudden all of their resources and infrastructure are basically shut down. We've removed all the bath this out of their jobs. So it's like taking everybody who's been working in the US government and just firing them all expecting the country to function. It's not that these people were loyal necessarily to Saddam is that they had a job within the government so on one hand you're looking at people who are just trying to survive and then on the other there were people who were functioning as insurgents and or working with some of the foreign fighters were now streaming into the country. So I worked a lot with special forces. We were working a lot of the same operations. We were doing a lot of the targeting and analytic work and it just happened that we're some some. Cia officers were on some of these raids. And so I ended up joining. It wasn't something that you normally would do as an analyst and it's not really something I'm sure after I left was Standard Protocol. But it was pretty much left to the working level to figure out how we were going to do. All of this at the time. I was there in Iraq. So we just kind of have carte blanche to figure it out. We'd find a target somebody of interest. Sometimes it came out of some detainee information that we had her or another person and especially at that time. The Iraqi intelligence service was a huge focus. Because they're Iraqi intelligence service was set up to counter invading forces so they would conduct a lot of terrorist operations. They had a guy who was a bomb maker that was building a lot of the ID's that we were being confronted with with the military is being confronted with so we were trying to find him because he was very very good at his job and we were making our way. Essentially from one target to another trying to figure out where he was located as he kept. Moving and one of the targets was was essentially a relative that we end up finding out After we pick him up that he doesn't have a lot of information. But this is essentially like us. You Know Swat team coming into your house in the middle of the night. Lining everybody up in interrogating them. Some of these people were valid targets and others were just information collection and I I at the time felt like this doesn't seem to make sense. You're just alienating people by doing that. You're not recruiting them. Which is the antithesis of what the CIA they recruit people. They spent all of this time trying to convince people in grooming them to work for you so that you can trust them so the country's already starting to turn against us. This is the wrong approach so sir. Kelly starts conducting terrorist attacks inside of Iraq against coalition forces. He bombs the UN building. He bombs Shia mosques. His strategy is against anybody who he considers an infidel but his strategy is also just wreaking havoc so he wants to keep the coalition forces busy. He's hitting civilian targets. He's hitting coalition targets. He's trying to keep. Everybody focused on just guessing where he's going to go next. So after I returned back to DC we found out there had been American. Had Been Kidnapped Cowboys Organization. We had been trying to figure out of course where he was located. We're looking for signs of life. His name was nick. Berg and then one day Video ended up being released through channels for other jihadist organizations before it hit the public by that time. I was the lead analyst essentially on all this or Kelly operations issues and ended up having to watch that video because this could lead to clues about. Who's involved? Maybe where they are and anything else. We can discern from video itself. You know now. We're familiar with this setup. There's men lined up in front of a black banner. There's a person in an orange jumpsuit kneeling down in front of them. And then you know there's a whole speech about just essentially using it as propaganda and recruitment about why they're doing this and their justification for it and why they think is a show of strength and then they end up killing him toward the end of the video. Nick Berg was probably the first captive Sarkhouhi had publicly killed. You're listening to. I spy a production of foreign policy and Spice Gape. We'll be right back True spice is the ultimate debrief. On the stories. Only spies can tell week by week mission vine mission. You'll meet the people who navigate this secret world. What do they know? What are their skills? And what would you do in that position? Listen now at spice GAPE DOT COM forward slash is spy welcome back to ice by we return to the story of NATO Bacchus has. She hunts for the Outside. Jihadist Abu Musab Zarqa we in Iraq by the end of two thousand and four thousand five. I had moved into an operations role whereas targeting officer and I was heading up these cowie branch and I was responsible for trying to stop him in his organization from conducting operations inside Iraq and outside of Iraq and that sense of responsibility is just completely overwhelming. Especially when you're in a situation where it just seems like it's just never ending the R murdering people at very large numbers. He's going after early Shia targets. He's killing innocent civilians. He's attacking schools in that situation. Where things are moving so quickly. It's hard to have empathy for another human being. Does things like that on the operation. Side targeting officer as actually looking for tactical information actionable. So you're understand the whole structure of the organization itself. But you're also strategically looking for vulnerabilities. Nodes that you can take out to help either. Air Support or on the Ground Special Operations forces to conduct capture or kill missions periodically. We'd get some semi credible Intel about Zahra Kelly's locations or movements. And then one day regard some information that our was going to be traveling in a white vehicle and this time we had really credible intelligence. On's our COWIE's movements but it was very last minute like it was going to happen instantaneously. So there's a drone Iraq but it was not an armed germ like we hear about all the time now. It just had video capability so as soon as we were able to figure out where this this pickup was going to be moving from. We had a drone up over that area and then identified the vehicle so we're following vehicle. Special Operations forces is is trying to scramble up behind him. Because it's all happening very last minute. And they catch up to him and then it's a car chase and he pulls into pulls into this farm essentially with what you know being Montana. We would call a shelter belt which is like a grove of trees that are set up to block the win for the buildings around there he pulls in. It's the canopy of the trees. We can't see through it so we don't know what where he's gone. At this point he evidently gets vehicle. Search running an grove of trees extends quite a ways down into this like little valley so he got out and ran and we couldn't see him. We don't have any way to tell special operations forces on the ground like which way once they get to the pickup and capture all the belongings and everything confirm. It was him in the car. 'cause he he left everything behind but yeah that was That was incredibly infuriating to get that close to him without actually capturing him he left behind a laptop it was encrypted but not in a super sophisticated way so special operations had the laptop and they were just determined to all of it themselves. We'll that's not their specialty that CIA NSA. Even if be I can do that. All of which are plenty available. There are all located together. All he would have had to do was handed off to the person I have invented with them sitting there but instead they kept it for a couple of weeks and that was infuriating. There's a lot of this happens within entered government agency fighting. You know we would have been in it. Within an hour been able to exploit a lot of intelligence off of that laptop including contacts phone numbers. A lots of intelligence could have exploited if we would have been able to do it right away all of which was old by the time we got it and then we found a lot of really weird videos and pictures of like graphic contents animals. I'll just say this is our. Kelly was pretty much sociopath by two thousand five. I felt like we were still scrambling around asking. How do we stem the tide of this violence? If aren't articulating any strategies to build things around the country that can actually counter the violence. Otherwise we're just it's just like a constant game of whack a mole. I mean we were still trying to figure out. What's our main goal in Iraq? We didn't have one certainly right after the invasion. We didn't have any kind of plan for how we deal. Like helping rebuild or maintain and infrastructure. How do we make sure that they can provide jobs and building economy? Make sure people have electricity and food right after the invasion? What's the overarching? Ingolf were a government that's form. What's the overarching goal for? Letting them have autonomy to form what kind of government they want. I mean we just didn't have. I think those those release like basic things in place prior to the invasion and we couldn't articulate. What's our end goal for. When we feel like Iraq has become independence by that time. I just felt like I was the last person standing on so many of those teams that had started out there and it was more than time for me to go a hand this off to somebody else because I just felt ineffective like if we can't if we don't have an in game two this. What am I here for so I went ahead and took a job. That was definitely different. Speed I worked some for our national resources. Division which focuses on collecting information and intelligence against foreign entities within the United States. So it's you know scientists coming from China that are trying to steal government secrets or whatever. It may be about three months. After I left there ended up being a detainee that was very close desert. Cowie gave them information on his place in time of where he would be. This guy was close to close to understanding his schedule. What his motives are and strategy? And who's close around him so they end up bombing? The House Cowie is is located and special operations forces. Were able to actually recover the body. If tally and identify him on a work trip and I was nowhere near any kind of secure communication stuff that I could call my colleagues and find out more details or look more details. I was in a hotel lobby and I walked into the lobby. My colleague at the time said go look at the TV screen. Go look at the TV screen. So whenever they're interested just thought to cry on scrolling across said that he had been killed. You know I was so relieved on one hand because it just seemed like taking out somebody who's whole main ideological focus was just killing everybody as an opportunity was beneficial for Iraqis he had killed so many Iraqis up to that point and I was happy that my colleagues were able to to at least accomplish this piece at the same time. I knew. This just wasn't the end of anything. That this integration of this organization with continue to flourish. They had been existing for way too long. They had galvanized support. Had A lot of people that were foreign fighters indigenous Iraqis who had been recruited and working with them and trained on all these tactics and now all these people have all this expertise. It was a relief on one hand but on another. It was depressing. Knowing that this was not gonna end I was actually in total for about ten years and I think ultimately. It's not surprising I ended up with. Ptsd eventually because it was just this constant flood of violence. I didn't really understand at the time. The impact that it would probably have on me and I think it just depends on. How much of this are you being flooded with? How much of this violent content? How much exposure you know in real life? It wasn't something that I hadn't even thought about much later after leaving the CIA that that would even be a possibility. I really hit me after I had slowed down so I was just working as a consultant. So he's working for myself. I had a lot more downtime and then had to revisit some of these issues when I did H. B. O. Documentary called manhunts and it was after that I realized my response to some of this is normal and not only that. But it's just you know manifested as me not wanting to go out in public and I was hugely claustrophobic after awhile. I never did get over. The like loud sounds issue and feeling like that constant alertness that PTSD causes just became overwhelming debilitating which I had no choice but to get some help. I found a therapist and a psychiatrist that were familiar with. Ptsd and trauma worked with them extensively and medication. Initially that helped a lot. It just resets your brain just like you know. Cholesterol drugs would do that for you. It's essentially a reset to try to even out the neurological functions that are happening inside your brain and then after consistent therapy after a year it was like. I finally started to feel a little bit like myself. Prior to all of this off feel native. Barco spent a decade in the CIA. She describes her experiences in the book. The target or my life the CIA hunting terrorist and challenging the White House dotcom. I spy the production foreign policy our executive editor is Dan. Ephron Rob Sachs Amy McKinnon and Dan have really helped produced today show. The interview with Bacchus was conducted by Dan. Ron If you have tips or suggestions please write to us. I spy at foreign policy DOT COM. If you like the show please subscribe it platform and leave us a review. It really helps us out a lot. In Comm- home foreign policy subscribers can sign up to get bonus episodes each week in your podcast app go to foreign policy dot com slash. I spy if you're not a subscriber you can still get access to additional excerpts in interviews by joining I spy plus for details go to foreign policy dot com slash. Is You'll also find a link to our facebook page where you can get the latest updates and hear directly from the producers of ice by next week on the show C. I a. officer milt bearden helps us Soviet defector track down. Oh lover but the story doesn't end. Well you're ching-kuo rings the doorbell all expectant of love and kisses and she opens the door and Kinda takes one look at him and she says don't think I'm going to be in love with a traitor. You're on your own. That's next week on. I spy I'm Margo Martindale back. Who Please home as I was saying. 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#4: Ashley Rogers - The Food Business, Transition & Spuds

The Nik Ingersoll Show

1:07:25 hr | 1 year ago

#4: Ashley Rogers - The Food Business, Transition & Spuds

"Welcome to the show everybody. This episode of the PODCAST is brought to you by bar. NANNA that is B.. A. R. A. N.. A. And they are the creators of the most delicious snacks you'll ever put inside your mouth. It is a company that I co-founded with my to business partners Cowie and Mac in two thousand and thirteen we're sold in several thousand retailers and then U._S.. Nationwide in Japan and Canada and on Barney DOT COM if you go to be a are an an dot com and use code and I K you'll get twenty percent off of you're very first order on this episode. I have Ashley Rogers in the House. She is the founder of spongy salty snack natural foods brands so kindred spirits in the house and we talk about just a little bit of everything so aw please welcome actually rogers what is good Loyd ash how we doing bring it on to do so so buff bake me a bunch of swale cookies cookies will cookies and you did that for four years four and a half four and a half years yeah so we started both Bake January two thousand fourteen. I applied for L._l._C. ooh California L._l._C. Yeah Yeah Yeah Weird about California. L. Seizes they charge you eight hundred bucks a year do they. We ended up switching to a C.. Corp right and that's I don't do that stuff up. My other business. Partner handled all the business he stuff all the fun stuff could bring your fucking boring not doing that. They don't they have lawyers for this. Even thinking about this yet exactly yeah so you left there and now you're making delicious sweet potato puffs yeah so I laugh breath bake halfback would admit to my business partners last March Ish Murphy Yeah thank you and I started Pudsey so I saw basically I saw a white space in the market like I saw these people creating stuff that revolved around cough our and chick peas and I don't eat those things and so I created a sweet potato puff because I feel like sweet potato was a vegetable that wasn't being utilized and yeah I start. I started with the PUFFS. The puffs were really really trending on and still are and I was shocked when I learned that sweet potato puffs didn't exist so I became obsessed with the idea of bringing them to life. We'll know you get a live in groundhog's Day. Tell you the story stories. I already told you we had the MIC drop about ten minutes recording this listeners really stupid story and so when I was in fifth grade Derek Patents and almost Derek Derek winco Dirk cash-out Dirk Pattinson wherever that guy and and we play the W._w._f.. Game we'll still call and hulk and all that shit and we take the Cheeto puff and we would just dip them in in red hot hot sauce and just eat them nonstop is like the most unhealthy diet humanly possible love it do not parents. Were like more cognizant now. They're like not allowing the kids to do some crazy excel yeah yeah. Let's knocking. Don't you think so I think so I mean when you're hiding in your room. Watching stolen see Lawson. I don't know but like just a hidden webcam watching a stone cold again exactly exactly cheetos when you're thinking of like flavor development and stuff right so you get the puffs chickpea puffs which chickpea puffs or like they're okay yeah. Have you ever had like those astrid chick peas though Vienna's yeah. I'm knocking on measuring yeah yeah. I have there so dry. They okay so it's funny that you bring Emma because I just got them at the airport. I just got back from Seattle and I bought them at the airport and it's literally like sand in your mouth. Oh my God it's not just me it's no it's fucking sand in your mouth I I I would not by them root for me to talk about other brands. I know there's being honest like there's a lot of brands. I like obsessed with you know shall we talk some Karma right now. I feel bad here carbon. They taste like fucking sand yeah yeah it's really I saw them. Oh like a lot of protein in chick peas and stuff. They're appealing. Yeah yeah macro good you know and then also totally whereas water I'M GONNA choke die to totally and in your throat no. That's the same reason why I bought them. Actually I was like okay beef jerky like I need a healthy snack and then I saw those chickpeas good Mak rose it was like Bikini Bod get into shape right now so yeah and they were fucking bad so you're thinking of believers for for the sweet potatoes and of course they have substrate has a baseline paste. What kind of flavors do you do? You think of it like okay. We're GONNA do some primary research some secondary research yeah taste it and see what works or how do you think about that. I mean I kind of do. I'm not the researcher and kind of just like the <hes> the the doer. I guess I don't know NC if it works like tests the idea that I'm passionate about and I am into and see if those work <hes> we started with like the basic so I'm like what is on the shelf right now how barbecue obviously everyone loves barbecue and then you need a cheese puff. If you're going to do a puff so we did the Vegan cheese and then the crunchy cinnamon will now send them in Chiro at litter. Have you ever been to talk low and how the cinnamon twist. Oh I think I may have gone high wants in highschool. Try to ensure oh yeah yeah so it's a mixed between a cinnamon Shero and cinnamon twist from Taco Bell. They're like amazing so I like. We needed like a sweet flavor and they're just because if you like when you think sweet potatoes I like some people think holidays and marshmallow and sweet oh right yeah Thanksgiving in kind of yeah and then the next one we're going to do is a flaming hot because I like that's just so popular because a flaming Hot Judas US yeah. I think hot generally speaking is is hot right now trying to get all spicy. It's weird though I'm not like a huge spicy person are you. You know it's not good for my throat. I do enjoy the taste Kinda fucked up Thailand every year to train multi in decided saw that on your instagram thank you were there for a really long time. How you try to go for a minimum of two weeks shoot for three so whole yeah? Let's go by air. South should go by myself. I was like worry meditation of Sword so call Brinton motorcycle you know <hes> of course I read one everyday in L._A.. To go rent a motorcycle I meditate the morning head off I train and then eat and then right and work trained right eating work work and then go back and just keep doing again and again and again. Have you ever been a Bali no but if you like to go to go to Bali volley the second you land on the ground I swear to God. There's just like like this like we were talking about vibes before we started this like there's just this vibe and you're just like wow like it's like it's. I can't even describe it to you. It's so it's the most amazing place I've ever been for sure yeah. It's really cool. It's really popular for Ex pats to go live there too because it's super cheap. I guess so cheap like a five star. MASTRO's dinner is literally like forty dollars for two people yeah beating a lot of go over there and like the kindness Swedish people in the whole entire world well yeah Bali amazing out of Control in Bali Change Your Life. He's seriously I like. It came back doc in different persons who they have anymore. I mean I'm sure they do do somewhere right to ball unease do Moi tie. I would imagine there's Jim yeah some vision there. They have to do something that one awesome sweet potatoes man. That's such a crazy it's very similar in a lot of ways and then like the food industries the food industry but going from sort of like target audience of just dudes eaten Broccoli and you know yeah and and sweet potatoes to then going into the salty snack puff arena <hes>. Do you see difference there like in terms of like running the business how you market it. <hes> you know the buyers talked to that kind of thing. What do you mean like as far as like you're selling you know protein cookies and then you have different area the store and sell something new? Is it like how similar <hes> has been thus far. I I mean I think it's pretty similar the her part is obviously there's a different buyer for the puffs and cookie so it's a little bit more challenging like just building a new relationship with a new buyer but I feel like we honestly have such such a good product like I'm not just saying that like we literally have such a good product that I truly believe in and I feel like when these buyers try it like were for sure the best tasting puff on the market like I'm not you're saying that because it's my end but like we really are and like were we get knows but like I feel like for the most part like people are like we want this like they get it like resonates with people. I mean it's fucking clear as day is what it is. It says Sweet Potato Path on the front of the bag. Oh you know like there's no education involved and I just feel like it's an easy like it's an easy sale. It's what people want it. You know just like they want sweet. Potato fries restaurants like they want the puffs and it was something that didn't exist so oh that's awesome yeah sweet potato super-popular if you like so popular and especially now and I think it's there's part part reality in the night part hype or ending of the of the tuber is that a tuber tuber accent is that is that what things spud those things somebody that Google shit on this podcast while we're doing it to burn that might be like some weird Nebraska colloquialism Elizabeth just hold out of an ancient neuron in my brain tumor. At least we have the perception of being significantly better for you. The potatoes sure Yep they do you think that's it's part reality Odeum sure because of the whole plsy mic index and how your body absorbs it and then part of it's probably pipe to some extent yeah. I should probably look into this glycemic thing a little bit more. I mean I'm not I'm not sure I I know it as they're both pretty comparable sweet. Potatoes and regular potatoes are pretty comparable. Yet is weird that when you walk into the salty snack I'll it's basically getting one of three things you're getting corn potato or wheat. Yep Up generally speaking potato chips made a potatoes shocking and then all the tortilla chips primarily are corn based <hes> then you have your Raynham like wheat crackers and enriched wheat weirdness Komo Bananas. What about you know what about the bananas doesn't plan things and they're now sweet potato profs we got plantation ships in there and things are changing the in that sort of center of the I'll salty snacks at but you know it's it's interesting being too because a lot of people living probably don't have the intimate food industry knowledge like you and I have yeah and they don't realize that you're talking about buyers in different areas of the store and how much power buyers have and the way that is like you you gotta take your great idea like you said you're so fucking passionate about this is a no brainer product taste great is great product and then you have to take that and then tell one dude or one check or one by non binary gender whatever the fuck yeah and convinced that person yeah that they need to take it in and maybe they just don't like sweet potatoes yeah then you're fucked and then you just fucked yeah which is crazy yeah but it's I feel like so when it's you mean the room selling to these buyers like I feel like lake worst so passionate that like I feel like dots like eighty percent of the sale you know like when you have fifty year old firkin joe going in the room selling your sweet potato paths? They're like fuck you Joe. You Know Joe. Shave Shave your head. You've been involved in twenty years Joe. You're boring goodbye. Joe You suck we. We're allow their thing. Shut out all the JOE's sometimes it's like these old school sales guys like and they're just like well if you look at the category the exactly but it's like when you and I walk in the room. It's like okay ears perked up like what are these kids got. You know like I feel like people listen. Listen and that's like it really is eighty percent of it me like I'm using my eighty percent number but I I don't know I just feel like people have to see like that passion and drive in there like we're going to give this Kenta shot to yeah. I also think it breeds into pretty much every area of business like it's it's definitely in the sales meetings. It's in the branding with you. Marketed is yeah brandings everything especially with food right. Yes everything to me and something nothing else I wanna touch onto is like I feel like a lot of the questions I get is like and this. I didn't realize this until SPUD Z like I feel like when I started spuds. I'm like okay I need to find the sales guy that has twenty five years experience and the marketing person that has fifteen years experience but like it turned out that those people were the shittiest people that came into the company like I feel like you don't like people who are starting their own business particularly and food because I mean that's what we no. You don't need those like veteran experts. They're almost like outdated yeah. It's like no one's listening to them like you need. You don't need to have that experience like you just need to have that passion and drive driving like really have a good product good product. That's branded well yeah. I couldn't agree more and I think it's important to get you know advisors if you've never been in the food industry right to tell you what hey this is what a broker is how the buyers are right yeah so do you just like ship it to the ship Jeff Bezos when you sell dams on all yeah when I started I didn't even I didn't know what a broker wise. I didn't know what a distributor way like like. I didn't know any of that stuff and and you are right like and there are outside pressures to especially when you're as capitals like okay well we need to do God thirty years of experience like he does even fucking no it instagram is exactly and some of them like so some of them or good put a lot of them. Yeah are outdated so out to your right. Some of them are really good like my guy right now. Actually is he's older but he is amazing like amazing but he gets like he gets where I'm at right. Now you know and another thing is is like these people with all this experience or like. You'RE GONNA pay me five hundred thousand dollars a year. It's like dude. No I'm not. I'm a startup like I'm not GonNa pay you that much and then they're like okay onto the next. It's like that's another thing that I don't like is like why 'cause people think even. I thought I'm like Oh my God I need to go find one of these guys and spend all this money but you don't need to you don't oftentimes and. The only thing that you're getting if you hire somebody with Shitload of experience at least in the sales side of things like you're getting their rolodex yeah pretty much their existing pre existing relationships that yeah is both good and bad Reich is like they may have really good relationships it Albertson's or whatever and they go to sprouts in like the guy fucking hates them. Yeah these buyers change a lot to true so thank you rolodexes old dude yeah right see you later later. It is true like there's there's outside pressure. It's like Oh you need these people who shoo you the rooms yeah swim are you're gonNA drown. It's like we'll just moving your arms and legs and you'll fuck and figure it out yeah yeah. That's something that I learned about myself. Though in this like I'm like I I was like sock. I can't hear this alone like and then I look back and it's like every single retailer that we've got an in right now. Kasparaitis probably end this week alone got in four hundred new doors so we're we're probably end like a little over a thousand now every single retailer we got in. I was in that meeting and I got us in that door so it's like but when I first started this. I didn't have that belief in myself. I guess you Kinda just like because I didn't do that in buff bake. I didn't do the sales in buff baked but I always knew I could you know but and I just never never I was more into the marketing branding and the social media. That's what I did and Beth Bake and so the sales part was new to me but I knew I could do it like here's what it comes down to. We're all fucking humans. You know so I hate when someone like walks in a room and they're like like I'll I'll wear this into a meeting. You know I'm never dress like anyone but myself because I feel like we're all humans and when you go in there and you like fake it people see right through through there and kiss somebody's ass. It's like they see right through that. It's so fucking old school that whole like Brown those in ask you know it's just like yeah are like when someone changes their voice when they're talking mm to be hello sir. I just came to bring this brand new product because I it's like yeah who is i. It's like getting by. It's it's just like I don't know I just felt like you have to be like real authentic and you yeah and that's why I think that a lot of people wanna go on on the show they're like. Can I cuss and stuff like honestly say and do what ever you WanNa do do it super important. I do think also that the market is ready for that finally the democratization of the Internet and social media. It's such that like you do actually see who people really are actually think totally have all this other stuff like. Who are we fooling? No one yeah no idiot doing it. That's true I think there's a small subsection of society that still kind of gets off on the like you know where a collared shirts time yeah and they're like shirt shirt like fooling each other but they're both on the joke most ever I know exactly what you're talking about but those people are not my people know and they don't like me yeah same. Stay away from in half my shave a beard and there's going to be you know talk. I'm not getting in this store the funk. Why did you let him but it is important to just be yourself and even talking to you? Eh just like authentically you which is refreshing people. I think that Oh yeah and you know it's one of those things where oftentimes it's somewhat similar with the people that have a lot of experience like that pressure. There's there's this existing structure and you have to abide by the rules listen. If you don't do it by the rules you won't be successful and but that's just like such bullshit you know our generation or kind of proven that out finally totally yeah our generations like insane to me. It's like it's sad and to me though to like it's so it's like so sad to me like the whole social media thing I mean I'm so guilty of it like I feed into it but I just feel like it's. I wish I live like twenty years ago. You know like I wish it wasn't there but I'm still in it because it is there but I just feel like it's so sick yeah it isn't it depends on what platform you're onto. You go on a twitter. It's just a dumpster fire. Yeah it's bad I mean twitter's like if you wanted to get bummed out. You'll be sad all day just do that and if you want to be Super self-conscious log on Instagram Oh yeah resettle that Shit you look it's like oh no it's crazy Torrisi though but it's sad because I feel like the generation below us what is gen-x they're the ones that are going to be really fucked up. Oh yeah because just like all of the ski access that they have to like the Internet yeah. It's just it's crazy to me. It's like they missed the party or like they heard about the party but the showed up and there's nothing but like bottles and people sleeping inside like fuck man no joke I was in a restaurant Anto the other day and there was fifty people around me and every single one of them was looking at their phone. Oh yeah it's so crazy to me. It's fascinating. I've been consciously trying to not allow myself to do that. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I do the same thing but I'm really bad as yes especially. I'm like okay. We'll take this device. I'm just going to just and then okay silent. Yeah gotta get it okay and it's just over there yeah but then you think about it when it's over Asher do texting me yeah yeah. What if there's a fire I know for me? It's my emails. That's always like the first place I go as my emails before when my text messages shame Emma notoriously bad tax messenger yeah I'm actually a pretty good texture and I fucking hate bad text message. It's like why aren't your son to me right now. You're no no feel totally normal deal too I just I don't have any turn all the notifications off for almost every day and then I yeah and so that way like it's not intrusive I would die. I could never do that yeah. She's the back of your head so when you have a little red bubble notification like whether it's on facebook are then mo are like any red on my phone I die immediately have to go change back to normal like I'm psycho about that. I can't do that. You've been Game Theory Yeah for sure so if you wonder if there's like I wonder if there's a physical goods equivalent to that that we could concoc- somehow like what are the like. What is the red notification but you just have to click in Orley mean in me? What what kind of product could we create with that same concept like where it just makes people like yeah tux thing? We'd be bugging yeah right. Let's let's sit here for five hours. I and that's true. It's it's interesting to in the foods base. You know it's such a different business than you know tech and everything else and a lot of it's like handshake yeah weird weird handshake stuff. It's still and if you've worked with the D._S._D.'s direct store distributors anything like that not yet now. We've sold direct to stores not there yeah yeah like a whole other weird thing you start start working with D._i._S._D.. Partners shout out to the D._V._D.'s respect had however you know this is basically you're right on the truck with beverage right. Yeah you could be beverage. Some of them are just knack distributors with dry goods but dude ooh. It's like you'd think you're in nineteen twenty operate their businesses. Some distributors in general are like that right guaranteed yeah. It's like hard to it's like I need to change in address. Can this not take two months. Do uh-huh pickup address. Please just change the nextradio like I don't WanNa wait ninety days. It's true so crazy. I'm going through that right now. No Shit Oh yeah pick up address. Things things seem so simple. Yeah are just not <hes> that simple an old school systems that were built like one hundred years ago or whatever but they need to get with that yeah they do and someone's GonNa come. I have a bad feeling when when Amazon acquired whole foods I was watching the unify stock <music> because what imagine the name is going to get into that game yeah for sure right. They're probably going to be the best today. Oh Yeah Oh for sure yeah real time just in time inventory controls rules like crazy. We need to change your address cool. One second press submit yeah yeah. It seems so simple right does and you don't want creepy thing about the distributors which everyone listening to the way that it works is you have a product and then you sell it to we distributor who then sells it to whoever yeah right and and what the end up doing in the chronically do this and I'm sure it's on accident definitely not on accident these guys they extend you bills for other people shit yeah. I've a full-time person just to refute bullshit bills in deductions that they have. I don't want to get into the deductions deduction right now and look it takes a ninety days to resolve. It's like by the time you're ten days in your over. It and it's just like keep my fucking money right. They're stealing your money. Basically I sure stealing for sure. Stealing your money. Absolute criminals criminals and distribution kicked out of Oliver Distributor Right. That's not distributors. I love you all yes. It's true though on your fucking accounting department okay can lock that Shit up man. It's like we're young star trying to do the ship and what a deduction is like you know you get one hundred thousand dollar payment. Let's say and then they just withhold whatever they want. Want another Yep and then that ninety day period is the time you have to wait to get that eighty thousand yeah meanwhile you already spending your money on making the product packaging the product and you're expecting a big check to come because you just sent them a bunch of product and then there's a ten thousand dollars deducted from a check for no reason yeah crazy I've gotten I've gotten these deductions from literally from businesses that are not mine. It's insane. I'll be right in saying like like wait a second. Why don't we I don't actually hasn't happened to me from cliff barbeque clear and how similar name Insane Insane? I would not want to be in that business now. Hell no we're telephone side we for sure the fun side. Why feel like you and I too? We do basically the same thing with like were were passionate about the same things within our businesses like the branding the creating like the visionaries absolutely Luke Maye. That's the fun part to me and I. I never thought that I would like the selling part of things but I actually really. I really like that too. Yeah so it's I don't know. I don't know what I like I but I I love anything creative same. I love it all when I'm doing it. You know when someone else is doing. It and I have to worry about what they're doing then. I don't love it. No no no no then. You can't do it all either. That's right. You have to hire like like your team really. Is Everything like you hear. People say that but your team's everything like you need to build people around you who this is my biggest fucking learning lesson from buff beg. You need to build people around you who believe in you and are on the same level as you engage at you in are just like on your side. You Know Abso fucking Louis. I think that's a really really what may what will make your brand successful like. If you're all on the same you can't be divided in one office. You know you can't be on different teams like you. All have to be on the same team or at won't work and that's like doc was a really really big learning lesson for me yeah. It's been one for me to yeah and I feel like you're not I'm for sure not everyone's cup of tea like I know that but like I know that that whoever doesn't is whoever's cup of tea m not like can just go away and later yeah and like all find those people you know I agree yeah. That's what I talk about. You know when people like Oh like. Aren't you supposed to kind of like care what people think about him and stuff like I'm like no and the reason that I don't have to give a faulk is because I know who I am I. I know that I have people's best interests in mind. I know I'm not a bad guy note. I'm here to help and be kind and all those things and if someone doesn't live with that then fuck them yeah. It's like once your self aware in confident in the way that you you operate and you have nothing to hide then like it doesn't vibe with you yeah a see you later yeah totally and I don't know if it's like I feel like we're literally the same kind of here where similar like. I don't know if it's like the aggressiveness or Cert- of Nece or just like were so searching that we know what we want that fucking some bugs out there people oh yeah. Does you know you can turn some people off which is not turn. That's the best word I'll turn them off. You know why because they see you as a threat I mean I read most eliminate the threat for I I think you could be right actually no seriously like when when you have people that are not sort of comfortable with who they are and they're insecure for any variety of reasons on any variety of characteristics within their personality. That's what that I manifest itself into is hate for someone who is confident and self aware and they do wanna do cool shit and they're aggressive and passionate about it because they fucking like doing it in some people are like crabs in a bucket and they just see a crawl on out another bucket and then they're just earn and then we'll never let you leave totally yeah it's true. I think I think people when they feel threatened. That's when the hate comes yeah. I agree totally Agree Cup of tea he I don't think the uh not your thing interesting. I fucking he either. I like coffee. How many do you drink a day? I don't drink a lot but I have one. I probably have one and a half <hes> but I drink it really strong and I don't drink coffee. Drink Expresso yeah as boozy. No I drink espresso all the time. I don't like coffee. I like cold brew. I don't like coffee and and I like Expresso they could all be the same thing. I don't know what I definitely. The same being different yeah right yeah totally like coffee to me is like watery. It's like watery and just like I don't know it's like bitch ass espresso. Yeah exactly I wanna Straw. Ask Copy true. I'm used to be a brand name. Bitch Ass Expresso hundred disposal to one and a half is not bed yeah well like one and a half but my expresso house like three to four shots my first one and then I may have like a tall like one shot I okay so I used to love starbucks. I hate starbucks now but I still drink starbucks but I liked them more like I like the more like Nici coffee shops. I don't offer because they're cuter because they're coffees better. It's hard to tell isn't it. Does that make sense though totally is the. Product or is the placebo effect because of the marketing always the but that's the thing placebo marketing facto absolutely works for like medications Jit Placebo Effect Yep Yeah a lot of marketing ticketing. Is that yeah I agree totally agree like I feel like the marketing that's not that as the anomaly like there's like the anomaly brands you know like I like as an anomaly brand quest nutrition. It's like as an anomaly that's but like those brands. I'd just fuck in launch three years later. They're like at that hundred million mark. You know like that's an anomaly hopping now. No it does to the point point point one percent. You know a lot of it's like market timing to right and that's you. You may have the best type of product of the whatever the fuck it is that you've created but that doesn't guarantee. You're just GonNa rocketship up to twenty eight hundred sixty eight hundred million whatever it is yeah. It doesn't work that way. You know it's like if you time the market correctly and maybe your first American or maybe you're second demarco or whatever yeah like that oftentimes is the unlock that is invisible. See I think being I to market as like one of them. The keys like I like you need to be I market you have a you have to taste good like it has to be a good tasting product that people are going to buy again Komo favorite subjects by the way. Do you WanNa talk about what are your thoughts on. How important is I mean? It's everything right. It's everything. Velocities are everything when it comes to food food you have to buy it again or just won't work like that's truly what I believe and that's what I learned from my last company. You know like it hoste tastes. Good people have to buy it again the branding house to be on point when you have to come to the market at the right time be the right niche like there's a lot of things that have to align but taste is for sure up there one or two and it's one of those weird things were like the natural and organic food space for so so long was dominated by these weird granola asked Chit Taste and cardboard fucking excuse for food and now we're out of that but it still amazes me that some companies you know they may have a elite good mission or a good story or something and then you get all excited and you see this every year desperate west and then you're like Oh dude yeah this fucking thing I heard about over there any taste and you're like bar fry barley. This is not gonNA work. Dude like you might as well packer booth now and go home literally quite literally pack it up you better for you totally but like you see like so many companies that are there this year and then you never see him again. You you know yeah but that's that's why I feel like branding or taste or they run out of money. There's a lot of things there's a lot of hard hard to. It's like seem so glamorous people blast you all the time like how do you do it. How did you to success man? There isn't one totally there isn't there's not one be persistent work. You're fucking ass off. Don't change your tune. You know like and keep pushing yeah. That's one of the things it's like eating shared heap eaten plates. Go to the shit buffet all right bio your plate up with a big go to Coachella fine all the outhouses in an easy to do all the doors seriously though it's not it's not easy. It's not easy. It's not easy at all and I think that a lot of people think it's easier than it is because oftentimes I charge generation to yeah. It's them who think it's easy and because they're comparing themselves to people on instagram. Totally they see what people are posting on social media and they're like Oh my God Lamborghini. He has fifty million dollars and meanwhile living in his parents guide he and his God Damn Crib. What the fuck meanwhile he just went on a test drive parkas than some random strangers show where he just went to a nice neighborhood in the just stood next to the car? It's like her guys do yeah totally it's crazy though because it is the other way around to like there are the people who like are literally spinning their paycheck to pay their fucking Lamborghini lease and living in their parents bedroom but there's awesome these twenty year olds that are figuring out how to fuck and make fifty grand fifty one hundred however much a month on instagram yeah like from selling stuff on instagram. It's insane to me one of the dark secrets armagan. I'M GONNA take it down the dark path right now any idea because I'll still them. Oh Yeah no you can you can steal all these ideas. If you want to recommend it but you could do it. They're like all these all these on the Graham and they're doing all this weird shit right like the pop up on your fucking stories or whatever land who's GonNa sound stupid but I can make you fifty thousand dollars before you skipped is ad I got to secrets and whatever and it's abject fuck and horseshoe and what these guys as do and look you know. I'M GONNA go bad on these guys. I don't wish anybody ill-will or whatever but I think that they're doing harm and so therefore fuck you and and what they end up doing is like so. They've never built a business right. I'm going to go into this after you fuck enough a lot in real dude so they've never built a business and what do they serve you fucking instagram story as or Youtube Priroda mineral. Whatever the fucks like LE- let me teach you take my thaw for three hundred dollar cores teach and that's how a lot of these guys are making a ton of cash is by selling your courses about shit? They've never done never done and I don't even get what they're fucking selling me. What are you selling me so I just I was on a plane back? <hes> two days ago on the plan like all go deepen instagram. You know like all good deep in there and I was going and they're like these I was looking at all these girls selling these marketing learning programs and it's literally like making a fortune you can tell when they're like making money Outta or they're not just like from their engagement and like all the other people that are tagging what I'm saying like you kind of tell the ones that are like actually making money and the ones that are not but it's crazy because I was looking into their programs and I truly cannot even tell you what they were selling me wow they they're what what I think it is is like people want to be a part of something and and they see like that these people have because all of them will put you in a group like they'll put you in a group and do group like zoom calls or skype calls then group chat masterminds. Yeah and people want to be a part of something and that's like literally what they're buying into and then and you just have somebody with a pretty face who knows how to talk and it's like sold Ching Ching Ching Ching Ching Ching Ching Drainage and yeah I just by you bought the fuel goods these yeah no return on your investment. Basically it's crazy and also long-term disappointment likely yeah like it's not going to last forever definitely not going to last forever and hut does take advantage seriously thought about maybe I should put together a very simple like not even a chorus but like a packet of how to start a food something dude. I'm doing area now. Yeah and you know I've had all these documents to get on all that stuff and you know it's it's hard not to be lumped into that book and Crown Apl totally and that's the scary part about it because you have a lot of people that you know they're just sort of selling their lifestyle with no actual anything to gain like they're not teaching anybody anything useful totally. The part dot pisses me off because I actually am trying to do this right now. Like I WANNA put together like a video series of how to's like ten to fifteen minute videos fifteen videos like we talked about it like what's a distributor what's distribution. How do I get my product into the stores? How do I have a good product? Have I tested amongst friends and family and you know what I'm saying like. People don't even know the first steps of how to start this so I'm I'm putting this together because I really do want to help people bowl and I don't know I just feel like no one is doing it that way and the people that are are doing it in making money like have never even created their own business and they're teaching. These people like something that they don't even know or have I've never experienced and true or they're making money off of doing like some shady shit yeah. There's there's this whole. Have you ever heard of the social media marketing company like underbelly of the Internet. Are you aware of the shut now. Oh want your fucking love this shit so there's this whole there's this whole community of people that are generally younger and they have it's like I think is the Akron they always used social social media marketing company <hes> and so essentially what they do is like he take my Gore's on how to create one of these things and then you go and you pitch local businesses or whatever like Oh hey I can run your instagram and like do all this shit and whatever and like they make money off of it or whatever but a lot of those dudes that are making a bunch of money and having the Lambeau or the whatever the fuck and car they rent for the day for their photo shoot. That's the type of course they're teaching yeah yeah ridiculous and the only one that they've the only thing they've ever sold as a course telling when you how to sell something yeah and it's funny to me like like what we're doing like what we're doing. It's like were building assets. You know like we're building something that we can legitimately build and sell like that's our our goal overnight yeah. It's not overnight. It's a lot of shitting and it's a lot longer process but I think the payoff is way greater and like these people are making these immediate returns on something that is only GonNa last so long you know and unfortunately that's what I think. A lot of these kids are buying into is like this immediate gratification because a lot of people like don't WanNa work there firkin asses off for it like it's hard what I've learned is like I'm for sure different like your shirt different to be doing what you're doing like worthy one percent of the people who actually want to sit here and eat shit for however many years worker asses off and actually build something you know like the normal human in doesn't WanNa do that. They can only be told no so many times before they're like I gave up yeah. It's what they say and this is the one thing that drives me. A little bit crazy is they'll see juice work smarter yeah. We'll story well. If I am smarter smarter than you and putting in more work then what the fucker you're gonNA. Do I know what I mean. It's like yeah like the amount of hours input into a thing is an actual physical like variable that you control yeah. It's it's like you know secondhand on o'clock yeah I it's an actual thing a quantifiable thing in the more of it you put into said thing the more you will get out. I and you have to work smart. I get all that but that's just go without ah right work dumb. Who has that advice dumb for your business? My thing that I hate is it's not how you it's not what you say. It's how you say it he when someone says to me. I just want to be like fuck you. It kills me look. If you saying some mean Shittu me yeah can use all the intonation you want. Chato are we should talk. Thanks so we're we're talking right now. That's okay. That's totally fine. We're GONNA listen back and be like fuck. We're we're fucking yeah. We'll do new Ashley and Nick Social Media Marketing Company. You can buy our seven thousand dollars tours today. For Five Easy Installments We win legitimately kill at Oh yeah you can con- a lot of people into a lot of dumb shit. I I sure we would kill it. There's been snake oil salesman forever and this is just the new iteration of that and you know for all the great things at the Internet brings you also have to be very literate on on the Internet and what it is and certain things because people can get wrapped up in various ways right. I mean they can get wrapped up in sort of the comparing yourself to somebody else that you follow. You know why my not were there at or whatever get caught up in the OH I want to be part of this group to learn marketing stuff from this pretty. Hey girl you can get the looped into a lot of weird shed and it's the wild west still in a has been for a long time and I think that no one's from teaching people how to operate on the Internet what that is you know what fake news stories are the whole thing. There has to be sort of some sort of education system in in the future that teaches people from elementary school all the way through college sort of how to navigate that like they're really see college to me. As did you go to College Yeah Oh you did did you like do you have your bashers. Did you learn anything in college. I learn some stuff so okay so what I mean I may be. Don't take offence college. College enables enables you to be around people yeah to do I mean I don't know Great Business Shit. If that's what you're trying to do yeah haulage itself isn't GonNa fucking teach you how to any of the shit that make millions of army has done at all trade teach you gotta be a fucking droid robot for Goldman Sachs and that's what you WanNa do go ahead but that's what human body yeah yeah. We're that you wonder if I'm getting a brain surgery probably definitely want again went to college for Britain's four sure good point but it seriously like it's real life experience. You know like you seriously have to go through this like so I always we save buff. Bake was my college experience and now I've graduated college and I'm in the world and now I know what I'm doing. You know 'cause it's you really do have to have like these real life experiences and go through these failures and these knows knows and these you know the the highs in the lows. I feel like to to learn and to be an entrepreneur at least like you're not college isn't going to teach you ought to be an entrepreneur though like it's not like you need to one it's either anywhere not. That's that I believe born and entrepreneur like or you're not of the debate you know like I don't feel like you can like. I mean you can train someone to be an entrepreneur but I feel like it's like not normal like it's either either in your it's not in. Do you agree yeah. I feel like it's really hard to teach somebody like to have the drive that we have because that's what it is Dr Persistence Passion like how can you teach somebody those those things like they have to either one or they fucking don't want it. That's right you know yeah. It's true and you know it's the same thing for for anything like sports is a great example because a very black and white right like yeah you can teach somebody how to punch harder definitely definitely can you can teach somebody to punch harder boxing or whatever but you're not going to be able to teach like like Conor McGregor is a special athlete. <hes> just is you can train the fucking hardest as you possibly can shoot probably never get to that level. Yeah Mohammed Ali he's not it's going to be a tough thing. In the same thing goes for entrepreneurship yeah same thing goes for neuro science and all the rest of it yeah yeah but I think it's people all people sort of don't fully realize they get in there and they're like Oh shit. This is what that shit is one. No they're like by. I'm Outta here. I don't WanNa do this depressing. fucking is depressing sometimes yeah. I like sometimes it's like well. That's what it is. It's super super highs and super super lows. You know it's just it's balanced which I am and trying to get better at on bad at the balance. I'm not at the balance to Ooh the balance Dude so bad at the balance like how do I get good at it. I don't know I don't I don't WanNa get good at it though I don't care to be balanced that weird I think your balance can change over time like right now. I think that while I'm a young while I have the ability to order index on working my ass off. I shouldn't do that shit totally way harder to do that. When you're fifty five you know? What are you want yeah? What do you do? I Want I wanNa do you WanNa laugh hit the number one thing I wouldn't life is freedom okay same period. What do you like really fucking one night when you what does that mean that means I have the freedom to do anything buck in one given in time and nobody's got shit to say about Shit Yeah? That's a good that's a good one word to explain it actually because it covers everything like I have the freedom to create that I want to building fucking awesome shit. I want to build a motorcycle. If I want to anything I want her to jump on a plane and just fly. Wherever you WANNA go that's right? That's the same exact thing that I fuck and freedom yeah. That's exactly what I want. I WanNa live a life dot like that's my life that like like where I can do. Whatever I WANNA do whenever like this is something that I have not done to this day and I'm going to do it in my in my life multiple times? I WANNA go to l._A._X.. With a suitcase and just say okay. Where am I going today? Pick a spot and get on the finding go. Oh I WANNA do off the screen ticket yet Sydney. Let's go Australia. We're going and then they just do that for like three months yeah right absolutely who would not want to do that. That's a very like entrepreneurial for neural entrepreneur trait as oh yeah yeah like just the fly by the C._d.. Type early in that case right yeah. I'm super like I live for that same like I need that in my life I can't unjust I I can't feel like in a cage. I guess we were talking about going into the office like and I got looked down on this too and my last company 'cause. I didn't WANNA be in the office every single day. You know like not something that I've got judged for but it's like I'm not motivated in these fucking four white walls dude like I need to get out there like I'm better off out there working than I am sitting in this office oftentimes that's true yeah I get the I get more done. I feel like yeah it's true I mean in different people have sort of varying abilities to or from home or from the office or different motivations but you know for you and I we're starting to God damn businesses for me at least like I need more freedom to B- long-term happy yeah glacier and once they freedom. I think you also have happiness right like that's what makes me happy. He's having the freedom to do whatever I want. Whether that's you know I think it's some what useful to have an office but it's also very useful to be optional bantering for sure as useless have an office and I think I do think like at the beginning Ukraine of half do and then you build the team and then all these for you and I and then we can step away a little bit but it's like you have there are people who do have to be in the office every single day for what we do but it's not going to be me no me neither you guys figure started this shit. That's WII started it. That's the card that I pulled figuring out. I got this far. They helped me exactly true. It really didn't get a bitch. Get up Oh fuck paycheck for like longtime start and then when I talk her day you started you start getting salaryman. Figure it out yeah how would you did you go without taking a paycheck for me. I started both of my venture back businesses in college still bill so back to the college thing I was going to college but also starting my <hes> several different businesses in there so you know I'm sitting in class and just you know designing websites packaging whatever it is doing the thing and so that's the way that that I did college <hes> <hes> and so for me. That's the way that it started yeah so I didn't pay for longtime with Barna we worked on it is sort of a side hustle for I wanNA say year and a half or or more long before we actually launched and during that time I was also running my other start-up Company and the fortunate thing about that is that we sort of had it client services business yeah and then we would take all the retained earnings and then put that into technology platform <hes> does not have to raise money in all of that was more more cash flow positive than than sort of a products business. It's it's very capital-intensive. Yeah Yeah I didn't I was the salmon and take a paycheck for the first like two two years that goes back to like. Sorry how glamorous like people think it looks a meanwhile. You're like all I'm eating. Noodles is true. What's your background like your parents like? What is your parents there where where they entrepreneurs so <hes> so I grew up a relatively poor in the sort of you know rural rural area <hes> we relied on government assistance <hes> GROWNUP <hes> so my my dad was disabled you can work and so his paycheck was six hundred bucks a month or something like that? <hes> in my mom was nursing so for me. It was tough yeah always had from the edges of thirteen until present really <hes> I always had a job there was no laps in having a job and having a sign also doing all that Shit because I just knew that there is no fucking way I was going allow my self future self to live this way like it was not an option in my head right so it was like boom. Get Out and BRASSICA Aska moved to California. Get any job that I could fucking possibly get right start doing that shit. I was selling computers at best buy. I was making subway sandwiches at fucking subway shout out to subway subway. Hey before shout out to subway me in a bag yeah so nasty lamey in the back on your smell people like Oh yeah but to go into Sopo bread smell test what I smelled like every day of my life when you leave in your hair beard reeks of like walking out of a casino selling like smoke. It's exactly it's exactly blocking L. Terrible. It's really miserable no that's. That's a really really cool. Though you didn't really get it from Um anybody it's just what you knew. You wanted to different life. Yeah you know I sort of had an artistic upbringing so a paint Ilana would sell paintings at galleries and shows and stuff like that and then the realization that I came to was Oh wow oh my hourly payment for my paintings is so low because you for your heart painting and like so fucking teenage kids on painting painting from you and so then I figured out that like logos and packaging and branding or the creative outlets that were rewarded by the market and so that's sort of the the genesis of hell that all started really cool yeah some minds I literally the polar opposite Yeah my dad. My Dad was like raised dirt poor lived in New York Dirt Poor Lake His dad left him when he was like ten years old one five brothers <hes> moved Vegas when he was twenty five and like literally built Bilton Empire like self-made millionaire billionaire so I grew up as like a rich kid and I but my dad never never spoiled me or gave me handouts. He's always like figure it out. You need to work for it like if you wanna live the life like you figure it out you know well I mean he he he would help me but it's like he always instilled about a knee and I guess my point of view is like I didn't want my lifestyle change like and I knew like growing up and seeing what he did then what we had. It's like that's what I wanted so and I never like wanted his help. You know it's like I'm GonNa do this. All my own like I kinda feel like something prove to him like see told you like sure you know that you have that that mentality because I think you know the opposite end of that is where you know. Maybe the father of the mother don't have that purview with their kids and they're like yeah. I'm just going to give them whatever they want to see class. I you know <hes> yeah and then what ends up happening those kids <hes> they don't don't feel like they have anything to prove yeah or total. Degenerate Losers Yeah oftentimes more more times. They're degenerate losers than not yeah. It's crazy. It is probably true like all people know really thinking about it to be nice to South San Diego. Most of them are still losers super interesting to hear actually because you know I do think that you let's see so interesting like the diametrically opposite upbringings very fascinating me and the perspective of saying you see what your your dad has what he created and the respect that you have for sort of what he when he built yeah and saying like man. I don't want my success to be anything but that were better right yeah and that's that's going to be something crazy to live up to two right. It's like it's really hard yeah yeah. It's it's hard for me. Sometimes it is something that I struggle with but I've gotten better like I would say. I'm pretty hard on myself are you. Oh Dude yeah ruthless yeah like I'm but I've always been that way like body image hurt on myself work ethic hard on myself like I just like. I have such high expectations for myself that it's like. I'm my own more enemy. You know it's it's it's hard but it is something that I've definitely like. I'm conscious about now and I work Arcand Yeah. That's important to self awareness thing yeah. No it's like you have to you have to somewhat let yourself. Get a pass on certain things but ultra cheap yourself ruthlessly fucking accountable or the things that you're sort of getting off the path of Yeah Yeah. That's one of those things self-awareness thing I think is and you know you hear. Some people talk about it but it really is understanding those kinds of things. It's understanding your strengths weaknesses your vices yeah your perceptions in perspectives on life and being like <hes>. Is that the best me yeah. How do I make how how do I make that happen because I do like I am self-aware and it's like I do WanNa be the best me so like if someone tells me that I'm not I like that? There's something about me. That should change. I'm super open to that because I want to be the best version of myself you know absolutely yeah and I'm like aware of that so a pisses me sometimes people to buck and see that yeah absolutely dude. I'm over here working my ass off like there's something wrong with me like you. Let me know and I'll work on it but don't you have to tell me you know you have to communicate with me. What's wrong with me or what you're not happy with so I could change change real yeah just like somewhere jealousy your fucking mission exactly if it's your issue? Don't talk to me about it. You deal with screw. It's hard to deal with feedback sometimes right. Whether it's you know it's buyer feedback in a meeting or it's creative feedback on a package or its personality feedback on the whatever and the WHO the fuck deliver in the message do I do. I respect their opinion. Does it's like every single message is different too. ooh You Ha- you have to stop listening to people like in the beginning. They're like Oh. This is too big like on your packaging and you're like in the beginning when you would. I get feedback the dots big who I'll fix that and now I'm just like I'm not changing it yeah. This is what it is like. I believe in this like I'm not changing now. I've had to go the other way because my natural including my whole life is like fuck off. That's not making shit bigger. Fuck Outta my in your ideas fucking fuck what you think. I'm right okay yeah. I don't say it's a good idea or a bad idea and I just listen on your ahead and then I'll think about it over the course of a few days or weeks or something or seconds or second fucking dumb idea right interesting such a good idea. Do you think of that. Maybe you should try that and then bring it to me to review. That's that's one of the old time best ways to get around so that that's a great idea. Maybe you should try that and then show me what it looks like next week. Yeah thanks Oh wait. It never came to me sane yeah. What do you think sort of the keys success with with spuds? E is now what will be in the future for the brand. Do you see this being sort of a platform to launch. <hes> new sweet potato based products is it all spuds is it you know where where do you see this idea really going. Yeah Eilon spuds E to be the sweet potato brand because one doesn't exist and so I want I want to have puffs in. We have a sweet potato pasta formulated to settle sit on the shelf next to bond that to your shelf life kind of a call a powers doing what they're doing is really cool like pizza crust uh-huh pizza crust tortillas like I do WanNa try to expand on the snacking section just because like dot is the biggest opportunity I feel like is that's knocking. I'll but I do wanna be like the sweet potato brand. I feel like we have like the name and the branding and it's like we're we're talking about timing like I just feel like we're there you know and so I really do feel like spuds ease like my hundred million dollar idea idea yeah yeah. I think the platform is a great idea. I really do and I do think that you see different. Mediums formats sub substrates that previously weren't used and the great thing now sweet potatoes. Everybody overeats them and there's like no education involves like when all the chickpea started. It's like personally. I never even heard of a chickpea like I did. I was like what is it isn't a bean. Is that like what is it you know yeah. Hard can like what what sounds like. It does just didn't I. I didn't get it and cauliflower. It's like I don't want to eat cauliflower. It stinks and inside. I don't WANNA eat it. That's why I just I honestly was shocked. That's why I became so obsessed with us because I feel like I feel like there's the white space and no one's done it and someone needs to do it and I'm going to do it and I just feel so so passionate and confident data and and from what I've seen so far it's working and so I'm stoked. Put Your Frenetic Energy in passion for the the brain and the product is somewhat contagious same yeah. That's really awesome. Thank you so I guess this point. You can tell people where to buy it yeah so we just got into Augmon's about five minutes ago. We'll be in there in the next eight weeks H._e._B.. Central Market we're launching into Safeway's and Amazon Awesome Amazon S. COM yeah DOT COM and your instagram handle and seagrams handle spuds foods foods Graham awesome awesome company awesome founder all the rest of it. Thanks for being on awesome thank you.

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How to Gain Weight  Podcast Ep. 25

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How to Gain Weight Podcast Ep. 25

"Welcome back to the living, healthy podcast. Presented by LA fitness. On today's episode, we're talking about gaining weight, and how to do it. That's right. You heard correctly. We're talking about how to gain weight bulk up. Add more muscle mass, and we're going to be talking about how to do it in a healthy way, I'm bulky Andrew and I'm super scrawny candidates. And on today's show we're bringing back fitness expert and personal training director Tristan element as well as listener favorite dietitian, Debbie welcome back to the show guys. Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for having us. Thank you, so Tristan. Why would someone want to add on weight or muscle? I guess it kind of depends. You know, some guys wanna look good feel strong. You know if you're an athlete football player, but even if you're a woman if you just wanna have a good level of strength for your daily activities, so, you know, if you have kids or if you have a physical job that requires you to lift heavy things. Maybe you'd want to gain some muscle for that. Okay. So gaining and gaining weight doesn't necessarily mean like. Some people probably ninety percent of people out here. This episode might not, you know, they want to lose weight of this is for a smaller demographic, but one that's still struggles. You might not know some people struggle to gain weight or keep weight on totally. Yeah. So how, like Why's what's good for someone like that? That just wants to have not lose the way just put weight on. Yeah, I was actually one of those people, you know, I was one hundred and thirty pounds. And I couldn't get over one thirty five throughout my, you know, beginning and all the way actually to the end of my teens. If you really struggle with that, you know what I hear a lot is people. Tell me that they don't have enough of an appetite to eat the amount of calories that they need in order to gain weight. So they feel stuck right? Here's the thing, once you start doing intense strength training, and you're doing it the right way, your appetite will increase, because you're going to be hearing your muscle. Fibers apart. Okay. And your body's going to crave nutrition in. In order to help recover your muscle fiber. So if you struggle with that you gotta start in the weight room and his if you're stuffing your face trying to gain weight. Then that's probably not a good thing, right? Cowie's get the wrong kind of calories, or you're not doing it the healthy way. Yeah. It's just if you're if you're not hungry. You know, don't stuff your face to try to gain what you're gonna gain body fat, will you would wanna do is increase your appetite by doing intense strength training, where you're really breaking down your muscle to where your body actually needs those calories come over, and build more muscle, which is going to cause you gain weight, Debbie, maybe you can speak to this, but do you necessarily have to increase caloric intake to gain weight, or, you know, is it more sticking to your caloric intake, but then switching what types of food. You're already eating I it's gonna take energy to, to build more mass, whether that's a fat cell or muscle cell its energy intensive to build that not only the action of building it, but also structurally, there's, there's fat, and there's protein within the cell structure, and the carbohydrates are for the fuel of building it together. So for someone that's trying. To only build muscle. The there is, you know, an approach to try and use their fat stores to do that. It's like I want to shift the energy from here and turn it into buildings catabolism here and Anabel as grow there. And that's a little bit more difficult. Maybe for a novice that's not fit that's more possible more plausible. But for someone that's already, you know, fairly fit, and I want to add more muscle can I do that without an calories, I'm going to say chances are slim. Yeah. And it's also you don't have to add a time because some people go on the other side of the spectrum with that. And, you know, here's, here's what I've noticed that I've struggled with and a lot of other guys struggle with that are trying to gain weight is that they start to overeat in calories. Right. So really like two hundred fifty to three hundred calorie surplus on top of your maintenance calories is going to give your body per day, right? Is going to give your body. Enough nutrition to build man. That's like a sandwich. I could have like a bowl of granola. Right. Right. Once you start going way. Five eight thousand I mean, you know, dirty bulking, right. And what you're really you're getting bigger, but will your body's really doing is holding a lot of water weight through carbohydrates? So your size isn't really always muscle. It's just water and clay pigeon Susa wrong kind of bogus. It's not what you really want out of it. Yeah, I know. Like, have you ever heard heard of the term like you know, like that buff, you know? We don't want to like that. That's what happens when you overdo it on the calories. Yeah. So how does strength training, help build muscles, and kind of add to healthy muscle, wait. Yeah, there's really no other way to build muscle besides doing some type of resistance training. It doesn't when, when people say strength training, you know, people think different things. It doesn't mean you have to be the heaviest lifter in the gym. It just means. You have to be, you know, stimulating your muscle in breaking down your lean muscle. So that's really any type of resistance training is really the best way to do that. And really the only way to build muscle have you run? Have you do? You have many clients that are trying to do this, that are actually trying to gain weight. Oh, really? Yeah. We've got a lot of people that what are some. So what are some of the struggles that they face that you've kind of figured out how to overcome? Yeah. I it's mainly the the number one thing like I said before, is I can't eat enough food rating in like I kind of said before it's really the workouts that triggered the appetite. And so if you're if you're focused on that workout, first, you're gonna notice, your appetites can increase in you're going to need and want in crave. More food. I remember when I first started working out, I trained with my step dad, and he was pretty much a trainer in the past in, once he started showing me how to work out in pushing myself at the right intensity. I would go home from my workouts in I cannot stop eating because my body was craving. Right. 'cause you needed that energy explains it because I can go on, like a two hour hike. And I'm just thirsty. I seriously if I do something really intense for like thirty forty five minute, I'm just I'm ravenously hungry. Interesting totally. Yeah. We have we actually have someone here that works here. Austin that, that kind of has the same issue. Can you when you go grab him go? See if you can get them. Yeah. And we'll bring him in here and we'll see how you can talk about this, because I know he's someone that has a he's run into this to where he's always been trying to gain weight. So it might be interesting to get his perspective and we'll talk later about how to fool your appetite by getting more packing. Power packing calories in to what you do eat so that you don't have to increase volume. That sounds interesting. I was going to say are there certain amount of days that you should aim for strength training. And then when you are, you know, having like a strength training, focus day. Is there a certain number of, like sets and reps that you should aim for? Yeah. That's, that's a good question. You know as as long as your body's recovering, you can continue strength training. Okay. But if your body's not recovered, you don't want stretching. Right. So I would recommend usually for most people three to four days per week three days is usually enough for the average person. Of course. If you're trying to balk, right. Maybe you know closer to three to five days, but the most important thing is making. Sure, you have enough time to recover in as far as, like a good number for how, how much you should be doing. I usually aim for anywhere between like sixteen to twenty sets of a workout. Okay. Maybe like three or four exercises. Little set across different exercises. Okay. Yeah. Totally and then also are you trying to put separate the day's up by the different body or body parts? Yeah, I try to try to organize it for recovery purposes rate, so, like let's say like one of the most simple and popular body parts splits that you can use is kind of like a push pull leg, because it optimizes the muscle groups that naturally worked together. So like a push day like a chess, shoulder tricep, you use all those muscles in, in, in similar movement. So it makes sense to train them together. Right. Back would be a pulled. They would be back in biceps. And of course your legs and then that gives you time to recover. So you're not hitting your push muscles in four to five days. Right. And that recovery so important. And yeah. All right. So Austin, cool. Thanks for joining. Hey, so we were we were talking about, we're talking about how to gain weight. And I know that this is something that you kind of struggled with over the years to just trying to gain weight. He was talking. Some of his clients that are doing that. The biggest thing for them is just not having an appetite. Is that something with you like you just don't feel like hungry? Definitely. And then I feel like when I do finally get hungry. It's like an it's like an all or nothing kind of thing, like, I'm just going to eat everything for me all at once and it's not really benefiting me at all. Anyway. Oh, there's, there's some fast food right there. I'll just grab that now. Right. Yeah. Definitely an appetite thing. I find that I'm kind of not hungry. I've always kind of heard that you should be eating small meals like two or three to a couple times like two or three and every two to three hours and I'm like, well, I'm just I can't eat that. All right. You know. So what is it the small thing like or is that is that better? Yep. So a couple of things go on is your stomach is talking to your brain all the time, and they're talking back and forth. And part of it is what you're accustomed to as far as the content and the volume. So when you do eat their hormones that are triggered. There's this nerve this Vegas nerve that tells your brain that I've got food. I'm good. You can stop eating now, just for the same reason that some people are used to eating breakfast, and some are not. It's just what they're what their system is trained for. And the same way that people adjust their sodium or a just to food restriction, because their stomach is, is kind of elastic you know. So if you're like I'm full just can't eat anymore. You may be choosing to low calorie or energy dilute, foods, rather than really energy dense foods so that the volume is the same. So what's the best way to kind of transition into that without just burning yourself out right away because I've like tried to do that? You know go like a week long, and then all of a sudden, I'm like, okay I actually just dislike eating at this point it turns into like a chore whereas, I still want to enjoy it. And still be able to kind of gain like a healthy weight. And I guess that's also kind of like one thing that I've kind of dealt with is kind of like a healthy weight gain versus kind of a Lazier in, in Debbie probably has a lot of good information being the nutrition expert. But one thing I know for sure is that it's always quality over quantity. When you're trying to build muscle, it's you wanna have quantity. But quality comes before quantity. So if you're getting good quality nutrition, it's going to assist you and building muscle because you, you know, nutrient dense foods, your body needs that for building muscle rather than if you just go to empty calories. Just because you're trying to get your calorie goal. You're actually much better off, and Debbie you could probably chime in on this. You're probably much better off eating less calories in the beginning. But, like high quality nutrition, and then increasing your calorie, slowly over time. What do you think? That'd be, and you may not even you don't even need to count calories. All right. You're counting calories now. Right, exactly. And, but it in terms of getting more energy rich things. I mean, it just makes sense. It's like, oh, am I going to eat this half apple or half an avocado will avocado is more dense? It's more rich peanut butter on your toast is more energy rich than jelly, having the granola, instead of the puffed rice, or Cheerios is more energy, dense may tortilla. That's made you know, it's a unleavened, it's flats, and I'll puffy like a big piece of French bread, so you can get a lot of, of calories without counting them. So what are things to, to look for in, like a nutrition label that would kinda. Guide you to say this one is more more dense in those kind of nutrients on a very rough rough scale because nutrition labels are all over the place with different kinds of products. And they're changing again the summer starting to summer. So one thing that you can look at is a calories per ounce. So let's just look at say a energy bar or protein bar. If I pick up a big, you know, metrics weight gain bar, and it's three hours. It's like a brick. It's three ounces. It's heavy. I look at it. It's going to have three to four hundred calories the same thing. Oh, I get this little Luna bar. You know, it's like one and a half ounces. It's going to have about one hundred fifty calories. So you're looking for at least one hundred calories and out that that's kind of easier in my mind equating it to all these different like portions, and rations, and as Andrew, and I talked one previous, they'd, you know, why are there two different measures on the microwave popcorn. Totally got him. And so looking at the calories per ounce and because that equates to everything has outs equivalents whether they have grams or not. With everything within label. But when you go into fresh produce I'm sorry, but produce is not energy dense, unless you're talking about all of an avocado 's and maybe some of the starchy veggies. But we're talking about, like package label you can right. Yeah. That's a good tip. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks Austin perspective. A little bit good. Look, we'll get you back on and we'll see how it goes. I know that you're doing some personal training now I am just started doing sessions. Now I've gone tonight, okay? Decided to jump back into it last one definitely pushed me to my limits. Again, I was kind of teasing him. I was just like oh, he goes, he goes, hey, have you have you done enough? I'm like, I could do more. He goes. Oh. All right. Now he made me work for it. And it's also. Yeah. So. All right. Well. Eat them. This. So, so we kinda talked to that. That's an awesome perspective just kind of like average guy that's just trying to gain weight has going to gain weight. But what about guys that are just looking to really bulk up like the fitness competitors. And kind of bodybuilders is, is, is, is it something is, is bulking up really something only for them, or does it kind of makes sense, like could everyone. Could everyone benefit from adding muscle onto their body? Yeah. I think whenever you think about, like a fitness competitor would a lot of people do is, if they're doing a show. They'll try to gain, a lot of muscle in then cut down a little bit before the show and lose the body fat. So unless you're really trying to gain, a lot of muscle in a short amount of time, you know, the whole bulking thing, quote, unquote, bulking. I think if you're just trying to be overall, healthy, and look good, and feel good. And, and, you know, be proud of your body and be strong. You know, the, the term bulking, I you don't really need to book, as in like put on a ton of weight. Right. Because no matter how effective routine is your body only can build so much muscle in a certain amount of time period. Right. You know, right. Usually when you first start working out, you can gain a lot kind of fast, and then after that a little bit at a time. So, like, if you're, if you're trying to gain muscle, which it should the healthier way is kind of like a slow too long. Right. Right. Okay. Usually for guys, you know, if you're if you haven't really built a lot of muscle, if you build eight to ten pounds of lean muscle, your first year, that's great. And then after that, if you are able to build a pound or even if you get more experience like half a pound here and there that's actually really good. It says if you gain if your body's capable of gaining ten pounds of muscle a year. I'm right. Everyone would be the rock. You know, the whole booking thing, I it could be for everyone, but really a healthier way to look at it, unless you're trying to just gain a bunch of weight is kind of like a long-term like gaining muscle over time kind of thing. So I have a question for both of you actually Tristan mount you start. But what are your thoughts on supplements, when looking to bulk, are you, like a yea or nay on this? I'm actually on the supplements. I in everyone has their own personal preferences. Of course. I think there are certain supplements that are very well studied that are proven over time. One of those supplements being creating creating monohydrate will help you to, you know, it really helps you to push through your workout. It gives you that little extra push in your workout, which hopes to build that muscle branch chain. Amino acids are also great. It's kind of like the building blocks of protein, which you need to build muscle in really kind of like the basics that have been studied over. Time and they're very well researched like the creating I use creating you go overboard with that and actually start gaining weight, though. Or are there, I don't know. I feel like creating two for me. This is a totally layman's perspective here. But I've gone back to the days of, like Barry Bonds, or that kind of stuff, and like I just it seems synonymous almost here creatine in. I think synonymous with steroids or something. Cancer. I don't think an overload of creatine or branch chain. Amino acids are going to make you build more muscle, what they do is they help you do more work and texture work. So I it's went to. Let's say you have a fireplace and you're burning. There's only so many logs that fit there just because you chop down ten more trees and load up. The, the log pile with extra extra logs doesn't mean you're getting a bigger fire. I mean, there's only so much space. Okay, so much space. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's interesting. I didn't I didn't ever think about that. Would you be? Are you for supplementing? You took the words out of my mouth. Is it you need to supplement what you're not really getting in your diet? So I don't think of the macronutrients as much as the creatine, monohydrate and the branch chain amino acids of Eissa, loosen losing unveiling not that you're not getting them in your diet, just that. Because they're so particularly used in muscle metabolism, getting them in a supplemental form is much easier totally and I know I know we've kind of covered this in previous episodes. But the idea of protein so obviously protein is needed to build muscle. Sure. Can you overdo how much protein is too much protein if you're doing a protein bar in the morning protein supplements, eating Dunn's a chick, like how much protein is too much protein, Debbie has I to do with how many total calories, you're getting whether or not you're meeting your energy needs. Okay. So if someone is curbing their calories in an effort to lose fat, they actually need a greater proportion of their energy from protein on someone. That's not so assuming that someone is meeting their energy needs, and they want to build muscle mass. Then there's a cap of around the one point eight are as high as two grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. That is utilized. I'm gonna use that word utilized because. Sure, you could just skip carbs and double up on protein and use that instead but it's not going to be preferential used for muscle building is just going to be burned for fuel. You can only use so you can only use your body only use it so much. Yeah, right. Okay. For our vegan vegetarian listeners, is it possible to gain weight and bulk by following those types of diets who aren't like a dietary supplement. Oh, absolutely. They just have to choose the some higher protein, grains, like keen wa choose energy, dense types of nut butters, more rich foods. Soybeans are great with the amino acid profile, it's very, very possible. There's a if I could mention website, you know, like no meat athlete. And there's just a competitive athletes, also very hyper muscular people as well. And when you say that it's best to stick with, like, full-fat products or, or would you? Okay. So let me remind I feel like so many people are all about, you know, like getting fat free or the two percent when it comes to drinking milk, as full-fat better when you're looking to gain weight, I'm guessing that it is. And even for people that aren't looking to gain weight, but just like following a healthier diet is always better to choose full-fat products over non fat or fat. At the gamut of products. We talk about products and their fat composition for something like milk, where the fat is skimmed off and nothing else is done to the milk, didn't actually choosing a lower fat milk is fine. But trying to get like a lower fat potato chip while they're doing something to it. You know, they're adding a starch binders, and more salt, and all this other kind of stuff. So the benefit of whole natural fat, is that it's so energy rich. It's much higher in calories. But the thing with dairy fats, like say for cheese and hot dogs. If it's a animal fat, is that their saturated? And so that's not good. Whereas you could do something like choose the fat free milk. And what I was trying to tell. Awesome tossed, and you could take like a Cup of low fat or one percent milk and added in a couple of tablespoons of nonfat dry dry milk powder. You might need to have sit for a couple of hours to taste more palatable. But then you're in rich ING that milk. You get more protein, you get more vitamins, and calories without increasing its, it's detrimental fat composition for Leslie kinda rubbing up for women out there like that gaining way is probably something that most aren't looking to do writing bright. We should frame, this more like it's not just about banning gaining weight. It's about gaining muscle. Right. Right. Right. And so, like, what do you do? You find that women are very much afraid of like the term bulking or getting too big with muscled. Is that a big in? Oh, yeah. Totally because women don't want to get bigger, right? They wanna get smaller right? So anything gaining is automatically viewed as bigger right by like let's say most. Most women say they wanna get toned Ray. Well toning, your body is a combination of two things. It's building muscle in losing body fat. That's what gets your body toned. So just because you're building muscle doesn't necessarily you're going to be bigger. Because if you're building muscle and losing body, fat and muscle is more dense than fat. So if you lose ten ten pounds of fat in gained not that women would gain this much muscle just for the sake of the example, in gained ten pounds of muscle. Your body would actually volume wise, be smaller, because the more dense than body. So it was like size. Yeah. And when you do that you're going to get the look, as a woman that you want, right? Because women don't want to just have a better number on the scale like you guys said, you know, you wanna look good in smaller dress is yeah. And that's you know, building that lean muscle and losing the body, fat combined, as what kind of give you that look at tone luck, it's wrong her, but your smaller. Would you actually be more on the scale? Would you be heavier on the scale though? If you have more muscle on your body and less fat, though, it depends on how much body fat that you have, or how much you would lose my gosh. We should get off the scale everybody get a tape measure and measuring. You're right. Waistline rather than the sale, right? It really it really depends, you know, like, like Debbie was saying, that's you know, if you put a tape measure on your waist, and also keeping track of your body fat percentage because if your weight stays the same, but your body fat drops by three or four percent, you're making progress you gain some muscle and awesome body fat. That's good. That's good. I can ask a trainer at the gym to measure me once according to. Complimentary finishes. Right. So let's wrap it up here with actionable advice. We'll go. We'll go with you, Debbie. We'll start with you Debbie so actual advice when it comes to gaining weight, nutritionally, what are, what are some things to keep in mind, so that you gain good healthy way and not just fat, right? That's important. That's right. You do want to increase calories, but they need to be from a wholesome lean protein, healthy unsaturated plant kind of fats dense complex carbohydrates, instead of the, the watery filling puffy kind of things, and whether that means more meals, or more volume hopefully, you can just get more calories in each bite. Makes more sense for gaining weight. And you were saying what that one ounce? What was that? The told Austin that one ounce for one hundred calories per ounce some, like, oh of looking looking at a product food, like how do you know if it's energy rich? It's just kind of a guideline of comparison, it's all just for comparative mentors. I'd like that. I think that's nice right interest in what about you? The actionable advice is, you know, if you're trying to gain muscle or gain weight, you know, you have to you have to work out correctly, you have to really be targeting your, your muscles, the right way in order to stimulate that muscle growth anything, and of course, when people gain weight, they're trying to gain usually strength or muscle rather than body fat. So make sure you're doing it the right way and fueling your body correctly, and you'll be good to go. All right. Well, thank you, guys, so much. Now before we go. We wanna remind off you to connect with us on social media, because that's what is there for Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, just make sure you use the hashtag living healthy podcasts. So we can read your comments. Yes. And if you're not already subscriber, please feel free to subscribe, and share with a friend. So with that being said, thank you for being a good listener. 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11: Assault on Al-Qaeda, Part 1

Covert

33:39 min | 1 year ago

11: Assault on Al-Qaeda, Part 1

"June two thousand six in the dead of night a Chinook helicopter lifted off from a secluded desert airbase in Iraq inside elite troops from Britain's Special Air Service the SAS were sitting side by side. They were checking their weapons ammunition night vision goggles and radio equipment these fighters were part of a secret of Unit code-named Task Force black they we're traveling towards a remote farmhouse on the outskirts of Baghdad inside was their target Abu Musab Al's Hikari the mastermind into behind countless bombings kidnappings and beheadings as the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq as the operation approached the farmhouse to smaller helicopters flanked them they were accompanied by a couple of smaller headquarters lynxes with snipers in them that would orbit over the target and then last in the order if you like this little fly on Mada were a couple of big helicopters with the force that would be used to put what they call a calm around the Alpha the corden being the belt of security so that if anybody jumped out the window made a run for it S- quarters as they call them they edit eh either the people in the helicopters the orbiting snipers or the call would take care of those people the fighters landed stealthily onto the Desert Floor Floor and began closing in on the property to scouts climbed over a small stonewall and crawled towards the farmhouse looking for signs of life and and possible entrance points pinning their backs against the uneven concrete. They peered through a crack in the wall to catch a glimpse inside inside the building walls if you like a protection detail of people for this particular Amir that's at the SAS targeted there were at least two possibly three wearing wearing suicide vests they will hall a dozen sold rifles. There were dozens of hand grenades. These people are heavily armed. They must be protecting being something or someone important but could it be. Abu Musab also Cari finally after years of brutal anarchy in the war-torn country. Could this be his end. Welcome to covert show about the shadowy world of international espionage top secret military operations rations. The entire country was essentially embroiled in a civil war. There is a beheadings every day. They're suicide bombings. There is retaliatory acts of terrorism going on between the city and she answer every day you would wake up and read about murders decapitations types. I'm Jamie Rennell and I'm going to take you inside history's greatest special operations missions to learn about the brave soldiers and operatives who risked their lives to terminate the world's most wanted eliminate terrorist threats and protect countless innocent law. Abu Mussa Balza Cari had been thought to be responsible for years long bloody war in Iraq. Was this evil I think arguably over over the last several years no single person on this planet has had the blood of more innocent men women and children on his hands then Sarkar why and how and why did our colleagues terror begin but as a cow is doing in Iraq is trying to destroy completely the state in order to to rebuild it and from the ashes of this date we will rebuild the new state and this new states will be sort of carbon. Call me of the Caliphate. This is the true story of Task Force Black and the killing of one of Iraq's most vicious terrorist leaders Abu Abu Musab all's Hikari this is assault on al-Qaeda part one the rest of the fighters from task force black joined the scouts at the perimeter wall of the rustic farm building but as they drew near something surprised them mark urban even the author of two thousand eleven's task force black the explosive true story of the special secret forces war in Iraq as the SAS men from B squadron of twenty two s started to move towards the AL for the target. They realized it was not going to be a typical sort of mission. They they thought they could hear sounds inside the building. They approached the building very gingerly and a few of the men walked around a parked car that was under a car park and to to that surprise and satisfaction found that there was a door just wipe behind the call. If all's are Cowie one of the world's most wanted aged terrorists was inside. Why would he leave the door wide open. Would it be so easy to get inside. The unit opted to enter the compound through through the door only to find it was a trap almost as soon as they went through the door. They were hit by a hell of bullets the people inside clearly the news somebody who was coming they were armed and they will wait so they'd. Father's initial volley of bullets hit a couple of the SAS guys the SAS go always withdrew. Obviously they had casualties to treat so they withdrew to a safe distance. The airwaves were alive at moment with reports that there was resistance instance inside the building under they needed to take the appropriate action immediate action deal without resistance immediately for the commander on the spot a number of very difficult questions some of these incidents where heavy resistance was encountered they simply pulled back and dropped a bomb on the building and killed everybody inside for many different raisins the SAS on the ground decided not to do they wanted this person alive for intelligence purposes the longer they withdrew from the action the more opportunity to terrorists. I would have to destroy data that could lead the coalition forces to other Al Qaeda compounds the team again advanced towards the open door. They felt it was is worth trying to fight their way and that's what we did. They went into the building. They started to engage people in the dauntless in the rooms as they went into the building trying to clear Rimbaud task force black ran through the building taking out each al Qaeda operative in their path while al Qaeda fighters sprayed the night air with AK forty eighty seven fire but the al Qaeda cell were no match for the methodical and controlled fighting style of task force black suffered many casualties now. The downstairs was secured but the upstairs still needed to be investigated as one of the SAS fighters entered the stairwell of the farmhouse farmhouse. The top of the stairs above him was dark with no sign of life. He slowly walked up the stairs readying himself for any signs of booby traps. APPs were ambush as he reached the top step on the stairs a figure appeared as one of the SAS men who who was a staff sergeant. A team leader went up the stairs to the upper level. There was a suicide bomber waiting for him at the top of the stairs who detonated his suicide. We saw device. There was an explosion the SAS man was bloom down the stairs. There was a man down but special forces continued up the stairs moving past. Ask the now dead suicide bomber. The rest of the house was cleared. The fighters scan the rooms to their horror. Several women and children were caught up in the blast tragically. There were no survivors among them. The soldier however was still breathing with only slight bruising and Minor Lacerations Association's he would recover meanwhile operatives had captured five male al Qaeda hostages with the House now clear threat task force black started looking for any evidence linking the House with Alexander Cowie and to the teams surprise the sound of footsteps came came from above them grenade hit the ground outside the compound next to the entrance of the property followed by a flurry of machine gun fire there were other people they've been throwing grenades and opening fire at the SAS. They were killed to another man wearing a suicide vest a squirt or as they call it flat the back of the building and hate under a car that was parked behind the building. He was taken out. It's not clear whether it was one of the snipers helicopters talk about a corden forces were around the building the tallest building the Alpha so at the end of a sort of terrifying twenty minutes. There were a whole lot of dead people in this building including one person blowing himself up in an attempt to kill US soldiers. Another who hadn't had a chance is to detonate his best was lying dead under the car. There were spent cases grenades got every one of the date al Qaeda members that the has been stepped across. I've seen a photo of this had a grenade in his hand with the pain removed and clearly steph quite gingerly across him as they tried I to see what else was in the building. The special OPS mission proved to be a success inside the house. We captured five senior ranking members of al-Qaeda. We didn't know at the time they were senior. Ranking we thought or suspected they were because of the way they dress because of their mannerisms but we didn't really know what we had. That's it's the voice of Matthew Alexander senior military interrogator who oversaw the team tasked with finding out who those five men were and more importantly if they could lead him to Abu Musab collie. This was a guy who had murdered thousands of people in fact he murdered many more people than some of Bin Laden ever. Did you could say a colleague could be responsible for upwards of one hundred thousand deaths by starting the civil war in Iraq he wanted to be the leader of all tied in Mesopotamia and he I saw this struggle as part of the larger al-Qaeda struggle for dominance in the Middle East but is really all about him and his the strategy was to start a civil war in Iraq between Sunni and Shia and he believed American forces. 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I'll ZERKALO WE IN THE NEW GENERATION Loretta Napoleonic other cow is a working class individual. It does not belong to an elitist family in that is very very different from the majority of the lead there some of the Jihadist Movement and arcade them his his background is he was a criminal. You know he spent time in Jordanian prison for sexual assault salt he was a drug dealer. He was a petty criminal Jordan. Well there is a there's a narrative which you find in the lives of of quite a lot the people who got involved without Kaieda and I suppose you could say that there's a period in their lives which you might call the sinful years crazy years as I mean you saw it with some of the nine eleven hijackers that there was a period of their life when they've been drinking heavily and doing lots of things which clearly Islam would consider very very very Harare unplayed Zaccaria was one of those people I mean accounts differ as to whether he was actually hard boozing villa in his hometown now it's certainly true that he was involved in some forms of crime and that he probably had some kind of a piff unie some kind of moments when he realized that he he's life was going the wrong way and the Islam was the answer for him and of course many of those people who had kind of experience often in jail became the most militant jihadist because they felt they had redeemed their lives and discovered purpose in one thousand nine hundred nine. All ZACCARIA traveled to Afghanistan to become a freedom MM fighter against the Soviet occupation it was there he met his mentor and Inspiration Osama bin Laden at the beginning of two thousand finally finally Auxerre car. We met Osama bin Laden. It was a very interesting meeting with the leader of al-Qaeda a very very powerful man in Afghanistan. Also cow was a novelty. It was the leader of this small group of individuals who did not even have a name that did not not have base and the reason why are the Cowie met is because he was looking for a sponsor he was looking for money. He wanted to set up a little camp where he could look after his followers. Osama bin Laden offer Cowie to become part of Al.. Okay dumb former White House counterterrorism adviser Fran Townsend Sir Kelly really came to at least my attention I think many in the counterterrorism community me during the millennium the ninety nine to two thousand period there had been a series of raids in Jordan and there was a threat in inside Jordan there was tremendous cooperation between the FBI the CIA and our Jordanian counterparts during in fact we deployed a number of FBI agents. It's over to Jordan to work with the CIA and the Jordanians and during the course of that investigation it became clear the leader of the cell was an individual by the name of Zarcal. We we knew he was an important terrorists figure. We knew he was an important operational leader. I don't think anyone at that point in time. Imagine you you know more than a decade later we would be chasing him inside. Iraq where he would become an even more influential figure in Al Qaeda in the wake of September eleventh much of the Al Qaeda leadership went into hiding in the tribal belt between Afghanistan and Pakistan the United States had begun its invasion of Afghanistan Afghanistan Zorka we and other al-Qaeda fighters meanwhile had crossed over to Iran and then into the northern Iraq region known as Kurdistan now now that move is very much the beginning of the making with made because the Americans were informed of the existence of outsor- Cowie at the end of two thousand and one by the Kurdish secret service the Kurdish secret service alerted Americans the odds are Cowan was the link between between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein it was clear as we were in Iraq the increasing importance of czar calloway inside al-Qaeda circles he had come up during the course of the war in Afghanistan people understood his importance as an operational leader and he was clearly trusted by bin Laden Auden and Al Qaeda senior leadership and so when he was deployed if you will from the federal administrative tribal aries into Iraq we understood as the the American counterterrorism community that this was a significant event this was he was well liked by soldiers and al Qaeda. He was well respected by leadership. He was incredibly capable he was experienced and so he had that unique combination of skills that would allow him to be a real force on for al Qaeda against US inside Iraq in two thousand three the US and other coalition forces entered Iraq and the Saddam Hussein regime quickly collapsed but it created a major power vacuum houser Collie who was hiding in the shadows kick started a campaign of violence. He stirred up the hatred between Iraq's two main religious groups the majority Shia Muslims and the minority Sunnis he then created a militant group with the aim of killing as many many Shias as possible and sparking a brutal cycle of violence across the nation and it was drawing the attention of the United States especially Secretary Three of State Colin Powell on the fifth of February two thousand and three calling power when to Security Council and in front of the words presented also Cowie as link between Qaidam and Saddam Hussein nobody at art of Our cowie before that day I mean everybody in the community of terrorists expert and never heard his name interestingly pressingly enough from that moment onwards also cowie became the men masterminded immaturity of the terrorist various attack which had taken place after nine eleven also Conway's group was named by intelligence officials al Qaeda in Iraq or for short short a Q. I when you look at Al.. Qaeda's mission in Iraq is our couch mission. We mistakenly look at these organizations as terrorist groups. This is too narrow. These are revolutionary organizations that want to spread an idea they can return to what they call a caliphate of fourteen centuries old old concept that there's a pure way to live according to the Koran Prophet Muhammad targets included bombing the offices of the United Nations and the Red Cross regular attacks tax on the basis of US military coalition forces but in an effort to maximize casualties the terrorist group shifted its attention to targeting public markets. It's police stations mosques and with it media coverage and in the eyes of our Collie this was attention on his movement and an important recruitment Krugman tool former interrogator and author of how to break a terrorist Matthew Alexander. There's a large influx of foreign fighters into Iraq after the Abu Abu Ghraib scandal which was essentially al-Qaeda's number one recruiting tool for convincing young Muslims from all across from everywhere from North Africa all across the Middle East to come to Iraq and fight in what they termed Jihad in these foreign fighters were extremely potent because they were the ones who made most of the suicide bombers so they're the ones that essentially we're also the most brutal I think the largely the ax you see like beheadings happen because of these foreign fighters and not so much because of Iraqis Al-Zour collie orchestrated numerous suicide bombings a devastating series of attacks in March two thousand four killed close to two hundred people at she a holy sites czar Cowie was is at the top of the target list inside Iraq one because of the bloodshed he was causing and not just of Iraqis. I mean this. This terrorist leader became a primary source of injuries and killings of our own soldiers and coalition forces and so absolutely he became prominent on the scope of the president in terms of briefings and targets then on May eleventh two thousand four als. Cowley became linked to a new outrage. US intelligence analyst list discovered a video on a jihadist website it featured a civilian man being paraded in front of heavily armed al-Qaeda fighters. He wore a Guantanamo ontong obey style orange jumpsuit the analysts immediately recognize the civilian as Nick Berg a twenty six year old communications expert from Pennsylvania Selena he had been kidnapped in Iraq a month previously the video showed his unimaginably horrific death so nick Berg at having gone there on rather naive and optimistic hope he might find work got kidnapped in the north of Iraq and essentially he sold sold by the kidnap gang to militant Islamists who of course a loyalty to other missiles Howie when the time came that he had outlived his usefulness to then they murdered him and the video is one of those horror show type of jihadist videos in which long knife life is used to cut his throat and you can even hear the sound of knife owned by its screams a truly horrific video but the point is at the beginning of video capture in original fooling was released and it says Abba Miss Up also call always slaughters in America now a lot of people at the time couldn't quite understand why he was choosing to if you lie incriminate night himself in such a grant and grisly fashion he it he appeared in the video. He's thought to wielded the knife. The intelligence analyst sued looks at it felt that the words of the figure speaking in the video were him. It was his voice based on previous analysis of the voice but he was hooded so why do this why incriminate yourself by putting your name at the beginning of the video. The general view was that the kind of propaganda of the deed that very much informed the Jihad time. There's a Collie could see that if he publicized himself what he was doing as a really militant irreconcilable suitable enemy of the Americans that this would bring him money from the collections in mosques for the Jihadi would bring him volunteers from across the Arab world. I did that calculation. He was right. Do you ever wonder why the big wireless providers in two thousand nineteen costs so much I mean that's true with like TV's and electrical equipment and cars all that stuff. So why are they still so expensive. It's because of the retail stores. 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Unlock your phone for you so you're not stuck with them because you bought a phone from them added no that by the way the folks at Mit Mobile Noble helped me with that so to get your new wireless plan for just fifteen bucks a month and get the plan shipped to your door for free go to mint mobile dot com slash covert art. That's meant mobile dot com slash covert and that's important slash covert cut your wireless build a fifteen bucks a month at mint mobile dot com slash covert once again former FBI NCAA senior official Philip Mudd. The guy was so brutal so tough. It's sort of like a Mafia family operating in New York City. If you kill everybody else eventually people stand back and say well we got a big guy the big big dog on the corner in town and we'd better be careful so just the brutality and the effectiveness have his efforts against. I the Americans and then locals I think people stood back and say this guy's a blow torch. We better let them roll. It wasn't that we're losing. It was just we should you know it was just like when will this end in. How will it end. I didn't have any sense that we had reached a crescendo former assistant secretary of defense. Tom O'CONNELL well I. I don't think there's any question that he was intimately involved with a number of suicide bombings beheadings he certainly had a a major propaganda campaign going we knew him to be in contact with Osama bin Laden. He really put the crosshairs on his own head by all these spectacular acts all the press that that he was receiving so he was important as a figurehead. Berg's death was a signal to the world that Al-Zour calories reign of terror was escalating to mythic proportions. I think the legend was bigger than the man because what the Iraqi Sunni started to believe in those people who had joined al Qaeda was that if the Americans can't can't kill a poem can't stop him then maybe he was predestined to win the war and so you had little kids in the street you know pretending to be hummus also cowie because he was essentially invincible in the fact that we couldn't find him kind of added to his legend in also helped them to recruit new fighters which was extremely important to them was to bring in other. Sunni insurgent groups in foreign fighters in Iraq in so finding a boo missiles are Kobe was more than just decapitating the leadership fall Qaeda was also about disproving the idea the al-Qaeda could win the war in Washington ending ulcer conway's reign of terror had become a top priority for President Bush and his inner circle of advisers. Fran Townsend said that they had to untangle the web of small elements that made up always network with with all kinds of Iraq. Frankly what we what. We said we needed to do when we saw them. Having the mental was to step back and say okay what has given them this momentum clearly they had these individual cells clearly they were able to share bombing expertise clearly removing moving some money and then component pieces to explosives and so you begin to break it down you say okay. I have to look at each of the discrete elements How is he moving money. How are they communicating. Where are they getting the component pieces for what are each of the components and what would you need to put it together and I'm going to target each discrete discreet tiny little element if I can begin to pull little elements away. Suddenly the whole thing falls of its own weight and that's exactly what happened. The president encouraged the entire community military intelligence all of it to look at how they could support each other in pulling discreet little elements away to be creative live to find the technology that it was going to require and the intelligence it was gonNA require and that's exactly what the military and the intelligence community did you come and I and the days where you have where the momentum you feel like the momentum hasn't been with you you start with your thought is really so much so so simple all its let nothing blow up today. Let me get through today with nothing blowing up and I can if I can string two and three and four days together I can then switch switch the momentum. I mean you really you start. When momentum is not with you and you're frustrated with very modest goals. Let us get through this day and figure out how to make that two tim days. Al-Zour Cowie seemed to have the power to strike it will and yet somehow he remained completely hidden when you really didn't know what he was doing in Iraq back in. We didn't know like diddy lives there to have kids there. Where was he moving What was his support network. I think what most counterterrorism officials I will tell you as you go through periods where you feel beleaguered right you go through periods where you have your making very limited progress and you're trying to understand why that that is why does he seem to have momentum behind him and you're trying to figure out what can. I do to change that dynamic but anybody who's been in this fight will tell you that's what that's what happens you go through these periods and you've got to push through and you've got to understand what is it. That's giving him the momentum and how do you take that away from him. He was so well hidden that no one had a recent photo of him. Let alone any idea where he might be. He didn't use a mobile phone for fear. It would be tracked. He only met with a select group of trusted advisers visors whose whereabouts were also on known finding Al-Zour cowie would prove difficult but not impossible over a period of analysis this they had picked up on a few predictable elements of zircon ways movements. We knew that we had a spiritual adviser. We knew that he was going to visit him. We identified a car hard that he was going to take to get there and so as you got each of those little elements you understood that it was absolutely inevitable that would be successful is just just a matter of being patient because eventually he would. We had enough intelligence and enough of a network that eventually he was. GonNa make a mistake us an opportunity and that's exactly what happened through the combined efforts of interrogators under tremendous amount of pressure to deliver results quickly every day we were reminded minded how important it was to find an killer capture. Obama suttles Kylie because use the key to winning the war and that pressure was reinforced for a variety of leaders leaders continuously on us and task force black. The momentum had shifted the the rates of his network. We're getting faster and closer to him so you had the sense. We're we're going to get there. You had you had an increasing confidence that we were getting closer that we putting the squeeze on and and that the military was ultimately going to be successful. Al-Zour Cowie's final days are upon him. That's next time on covert. Covert is an audio boom in world meteorites co-production hosted by me Jaime Rennell. It's produced by audio booms. 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FXR Racing/Race Tech Privateer Island #139- Jason Butschky

The Steve Matthes Show on RacerX

52:38 min | 2 weeks ago

FXR Racing/Race Tech Privateer Island #139- Jason Butschky

"Welcome everybody to another edition of the fx racing race tech suspension privateer island life. Podcast is number one thirty eight. It's brought to you by niemira firepower and max. Thanks for those companies are coming on. Board ethics are designed by racers for racers brock tickle roaring twenty twenty one ethics argue and look pretty good doing it Film letty ethics are ends. Elopes affects are the club team. Lots of riders ethics are looking good. And if use the problem next thirty when you go to check out you can save racing dot com really really. Likes them of that twenty twenty. One stuff that tickle war this summer so please check that out. Thanks to raise tech as well Pulp twenty zero to save with ray tech. Get your motor work. Done get suspension work done. They can value in. They could modify it. They can just keep it running fresh whatever it is Get do seals get new. Bushings get new oil and your suspension. Treat your bike with some love and maybe it will love you back. So it needs pop twenty to say race tech speaking of race tack. This man had a team this summer and In the nationals and supercross and it was a very popular team and he a race tech suspension outlet center as well doing suspension there on the east coast. It's jason bud ski. What's up jason. are you man. How's it going thatcherite breaks for doing this. This is the s. gb. Kawasaki team owner man. you gotta be stoked on the way the team went. I guess how what. Let's get a loan background so give us a little information on your background. Oh my starting out. Doing police work in different. And i did that for many years. I raised when i was younger but i really sucked at her. So it went nowhere. But i still had a very strong passion and You know and stuff like that in there. So i didn't police work because i wasn't smart enough to do anything else and we. We went that route. And i started a business. My father passed away. That's what his initial. I started this business. It blew up for me. And at the time i decided to leave the police department. So that way. I kinda slow down my life. I was working a whole lot of hours with working. Midnights for the push men and coming back and doing suspension work during the day on. I was like whoa. We'll slow down and soon as i retired from postponement. I stranded team. And i've been busier than i ever been now. were you beat cop or detective. What would you do i was. I was straight patrol. Oh wow this is a maryland. This this is maryland baltimore baltimore. Oh my god g you saw some stuff sinks denied patrol in baltimore good god. How'd you him. Suspension and stuff. How'd you learn about how'd you. How'd you get to be so good at it. It was the only thing. I really didn't know how it worked. I could do general maintenance whenever blake. You know a couple years ago. I was keynote. Only thing. I don't know. I was a support rider for in a race tech for for a very long time. They supported me I've reached out to rob over there. And they really a. They opened up their arms. And i went out there and stayed for quite some time in with them. One on one. In a i was very lucky to have that type of support system through them. Yeah yeah really. Right just kinda. Did you take paul suspension class. I did i took that. Is that where we can get a certified as a way center. They're just like to know why things work right right. Yeah that's how we all got started right this. How we all kind of figure things out interesting in nursing background. Now you got business. You're doing suspension you you. You're doing stuff. Why start a race team. Good god as like. I told you before. I wasn't smart to do anything. Also my decision life aren't always the best now. It was one of the things that i just. I was working with. Aj cat and zero. In jarvis i just felt like they needed more support And i felt like why. Can't i up more and that's just kind of health started in the start snowballing. Then sponsors are pushing for more reach. Which i understand and next thing you know i'm like whoa this way more than i thought i was getting into. I enjoyed every bit of it. i'm here to have fun and ultimately every weekend. I got to hang out with people that i enjoy being around right. Yeah max's tires. Big title sponsor. Big sponsor. this show as well. There'd be part of stuff that we do at pulp. So max is a big effort for you guys. How did that connection come about through. Aj j two thousand nineteen. And when i was kind of branching for him a little bit here and there and don't suspension stuff so then in a and i from chris from axa Join a relationship. They were on board from day one and honesty. Those guys are so great to work with over there easygoing. They you know. Improve a product as much as they can and and learn intestine and it's it's been phenomenal. I'm the one who hooked asia. Maxis back a couple years ago so in a roundabout way. I'm responsible for your team. So it's not so much on a part owner. Yeah i'm not dumping any capital in. No jason knows it was a really cool cool deal of course jordan jarvis female and she raced couple of national. She got it as an alternate. That's an awesome story. She's really close to making it. Alex rae everyone knows era. Justin rodbell. Aj for supercross. And then jordan. Smith is started jordan smith jeremy smith as well man. You guys were as a great like areas of great guy to have on your team. He didn't have the year he wanted to add. He's had in the past. But it's still okay. It wasn't wasn't terrible or anything else. But he he's a popular guy people like them. And then this rodbell character just started racking up amazing finishes jeremy smith who has speed as we've known we've seen over the years jordan. Jarvis has her that attracted people to our man. You really you you roll the dice and you came up aces in the sense of getting buzz or attention for your team Will from the outside looking in we had a very successful marketing side dish was phenomenal. I saw rodney reid. Bill for a while so i kind of it wasn't much of a rolling dice for me. I will say. He shocked me with his consistency. Eichner speed was there. But i mean he qualified very good each weekend and he was literally in the motives on position away normally from ball. Fine spot yeah so on an over and under it was it was consistent. I think he had one crash. Other nationals knock on wood So yeah i was pumping him jordan or very horrid and she she was able to to do very well at the w. ranch obviously and she got better she got better right. You're near progressing. In the right way again it was a learning curve. There was there was a lot of things when a management level that just i didn't handle We're have squared away. Like i wanted to show them going into it. I didn't know what to expect. I'm not. I'm very transparent when it comes to make post you know admitting one things are messed up on my end and -pletely cool with taking the rap for things that i do wrong with that being said there was a couple of things i thought we have to put our investments in this category and it ended up. That don't really need that and other ends would have been better so it was a Learn as you go from me. And i think we did really well with it. Adapting and making switches allow that is just because of our support system or riders are very roll down to earth. All of us. We wanna have fun but we also do to maintain that level of competition professionals. So why kawasaki is for you. How did that start. What does that go. what are they give you. What is how do you work through the dealer and all that kind of stuff. Maybe explain that end of. It's so for the kazakh side. Was again this this whole dream started with. Aj gotten zero soccer any familiar with them from working with him And i i personally believe that the kawasaki is probably your best performance to price ratio. Four fifty right now They're they're not super expensive to purchase. And i think majority of the people who are jumping on them get comfortable pretty quickly. Such we went end. Averaged babette's online. They've been known to having rain across team that very successful. Gnc team eddie. I spoken they came on board to help us out and support us and After the first year in if he stepped up in his office out even more moment to Excited to to see. It's not a a scramble anymore of trying to whereabouts mauri squared away for the whole year which is said in ballots online. Kawasaki's really stepped up to take care of us. Matthew kallis again in twenty twenty one yes interesting so for you know support from kelley factory. No no bikes no parse none of that. I mean obviously era got some help through the guys air because personal relationships. But did you go to them. Did you pitch them. Are they interested in it. Anything going on there they tell you. Hey keep it going. You know we like what you're doing. You have much help as far as an oem goes nowhere on that end team. Green opposite team green program amateur side does help us out on some end of it. All bike throughout the purchase is new free bikes for or program and no parts for program. But like i said. Tim green does help us out and support us on the factory level. Alex several ship that you said but none of that comes to me so not. Alex talks to talks to gets what he gets there I know that they support their their to other teams. And that's where their money in their finances go. I understand it from a business and marketing side in order for them to have a certain amount of dollars for professional motocross supercross racing. And if they're gonna take that from there take it from them to give to me in it it's It's not easy to me. That cowie cowie definitely you know they. Don't throw the support behind. A lotta guys tyler. Bowers get some stuff. Obviously you know what i mean. But they don't help a lot of people and i just don't like that about that i think feel like they. Should you know like to give to float you. Five thousand dollars in parts wouldn't be a very tough for them to. Do you know what i mean. And so is it frustrating for you are you. Do you have a you have a hopeful outlook for this. Are you saying. Hey you know. I'm gonna keep going and we're going to work with these guys imbalances grape and maybe hopefully one day. These guys helped me. I mean yes. We can always be hopeful that it's going to help and the rent. They're they're putting a productive bike at a lower price point than the other manufacturers. They're also they have some of the best contingency out there too. Yeah they're they're the only manufacturer to do Night's show they do really well. Yeah so i mean. I think they are spending their money to help out the majority and just not me on that side. I understand that. Luckily we have sponsors and appealing through every team's long-term goals to to have factory support for me. The most support should get in the more things you have. The more politics is involved. Dan you have you know. Run around being serious and everything that i do on. The weekends is would have thirteen emails. Come monday. not just went away did And i think our guys are gonna perform better with a lot less pressure on their shoulders. And i'll take job as a manager. I'll hold that. He so those guys can focus on writing and having fun right now for your team like yours. The riders pay the expenses. They get to keep their money that they are in the money. Because to see all this stuff they own and you basically transport the writers you pay for the mechanics. Is that kind of how i understand that you give them parts and supplies. There is a different deals for different guys. Or how's that work. Different deals for different guys. One is a they're not paying for any of the parts. All their bikes maintained by us all transport done from us but they do pay for their own their travel expenses and ray century said something. I'm definitely hoping to. That's where i want to see the change for. I wouldn't never to market and do a good enough job where my team is taking care of entity in on a financial level with news. I'm looking for you know money for managers and things like that. I definitely want by my routers to be on a at least a travel off. Sure but for me. I don't i don't wanna be. I don't have the dream of being an elite factory team okay night dream is to be the steppingstone to have a competitive program when a pro and amateur level that is desirable but more of a stepping stone. I would rather see my rightish. Get a phone call from a factory team and be taken from me. Exactly what. I want tapper. Now you've got masters title. And by the way max tires maxine. Tease developed by mcgrath. A ray rodbell using max's tires big part of that program an great mountain bike tires as well. You tires light truck tires. Max's dot com for more information there. Part of this privateer island podcast situation. Max's your title. I don't know obviously look you run a business time. You're running his race team. You're busy guy but have you tried to pitch them outside sponsors on getting involved or or other industry sponsors or or energy drinks or anything else and if you have tried that what. What kind of responses are you getting. I mean honestly thought going into it was going to be a little bit easier on that side of it and wants to talk to a couple and i'm not saying it straight away with the uncertainty in the race schedule or the season now cities still going back to shutting down again. I know my my daughter. I just got a phone call yesterday. My dog's going back to fresh warning so with that the outside industry sponsors are going to be tough right now just and i. I went through the first season. I'll say you know what you're to some good exposure to be much easier to deal with A lot of levels like on the industry side. It's been and light day difference but on the outside of the industry chunks. It's tough now. I think that's going to be forever. And i feel for people trying to find bikes. I know you know a couple. People reached out to us support to support us on whether different dealerships and stuff like that And they were struggling to get bikes. Some of the manufacturers. So we're lucky to have on our side that is able to get us what we need and keep popping Babs is one of the guys. I use online I talked to Jordan down there for helping with my retro retro but bikes and they do a great job they They give me a little bit of a better price and shipping is good and everything else. So there i mean. They got long history of racing at the highest levels. And and all that. So that's awesome. That sounds like they're gonna step up a little bit for you. then now. The racing the mediocre level which is where we are so for twenty one. Are you looking to have the same guys. Aj for supercross. And jeremy going to do outdoors. Or is rod rodbell and coming back. What are we looking at for twenty one. I think it's going to be exact same. Yeah i accept. I made some mistakes on on a management level Not knowing nothing intentional. I'm ready to to fix those. So i didn't wanna change too much. We had a lot of a lot of push from sponsors to go out and try to get somebody else you know. Maybe at a higher results side of things. And i'll be honest with you if my team can get through the year in. I wanna i your team. And one of them have a better season than they didn't pass except for. Maybe alex think it says something about my riders. So if i felt like instead of spending more money of a budget and trying to get somebody else it who knows how what we're going to jail how they're gonna feel whether the injuries are not interesting can on my tv would. But i felt like if i invested back into my I think we can get back to where i wanna be. Were sketchers for like to see results. Based just mean rodbell can work during the week. Come in and take sixteenth a role in four fifty points and again. I'm not unrealistic. I understand that there was a lot of people out this. Listen now that dude crush. I don't want consistent. Yeah and working so he actually went down to tolerate. Were taking care of him in supporting him through some training. Good again. I would rather see. I like loyalty. That's where i'm at and there's guys been and me girls soon. I'm gonna run a work with todd with a couple of writers. And i think that's going to be good source. Yeah i'm looking forward to it. Mirror pistons also on board this podcast since two thousand and one mirror has been supplying a piston and gaskets for every making model from two wheels to four weekend warriors. The top athletes mirrors events visit technologies increased injured performance ability without increasing. Your budget follow instagram. Follow them online dot com to see the latest news and application updates. Alex also sponsored by numero folks so Thank you to them firepower. as well. they got oil. Now we know the chains. We know the batteries. You guys use their batteries and chains right firepower batteries and change and they're phenomenal an easy to work with his wealth. Yes really really good company their firepower parts dot com besides the batteries and chains s. gb kawasaki uses Check out their oil. It is built from the ground up by leading. Oem manufacturing is of the highest quality. They offer standard mineral oil. All the way to esther fortify full synthetic racing oil blended in the us a fire power parts dot com ethics are racing race tech suspension privateer island life. So what's your i mean. Look he's a bit of a basket case. We know that you know that. But he's a really good dude and he tries really hard. What was it like having area on your team. I love work with him i do. He's he's a hard worker. He tried his best to get back to the program It goes both ways. I mean i try to help him out number way weekend and He was very interested in that it was the first year team was virgo with that Supercross went well unfortunately his head good in tampa heading back node in tampa and took water to recover from that and then we took some time off and then we tested like open of motocross actor. Super crawls back to salt lake city. It's city went well for him. He gets a good results and virtually. Well they're outdoors came I think i think he was nervous about outdoors. Just going into our communication and tell you we he went on. The road is one and he looked good We had some issues like we did it. Many rounds for many different reasons it said for also think was a building year on both parts. I think he learned a little. Bit about You know himself the outdoor nationals again. And we learned a little bit about bikes and where he needs and all that southern Twenty one. I think a lot of on both ends a lot of office and worked out in mid to go yet. We always see. We had a lot of fun at a rate and your teams expenses. This year we all love era but rodbell stuff held together. Fine robot had no issues a lot of the stuff we were saying. We're blaming era. You know like like he. He needs to accept some of this. That happened to a this summer. And i think he did. I'm not saying he didn't know he there was. It was on on our end. Ed you know that didn't that didn't hold up in you know but yes when majority of it and most of our In all of our sufferings braced we were actually pulling the nut. Insert out of the suffering. Muffler gate okay. We're gonna talk about my forget. So i mean i can't avoid it right it so we had. We got so frames from kelly. He got suffering from kelley. he had Some frames and we had some frames per from someone else And when his bike the muffler insert would pull out. And again. I will tell you like on the ww on one. The motor made some weird noises after the first auto and we did a full motor swap in between motor one to before blue. They were down to the wire one moto and they didn't put the bracket back on it. Like i said and. I was a mechanic for a long time i understand. There's a lot of pressure we we. We were run down to the wire. He was actually arguing with a trying to was a circumstance thing then the other ones were poured out so then we were running. The the hanging bracket the bolt through it and then a lock nut on the backside I think we're used a gallon of loctite and it was one of the things we're like if it was going to it was gonna poor forest and we thought we were doing everything. We're taking the same advice in the same stuff that they're using factor callie right but with an with a lock. We were just running into so when you're running the team and you're you're you're you're having these issues i mean how are you able to put a sunny shah sunnyside on this stuff or are you just like this fucking math sky. These people social media. Like oh my god like like are you able to shut it off a bit and put your head down keep working or does it get to you a little bit. We're still racing and and you know you're talking about me right. Yeah yeah no. We were a lot robert. I mean rodbell deserves nothing but praise for you and his team for your team and him. I mean absolutely amazing season so On and again there were trying to put anyone on blache or anything blessed but there's on different levels. Alex wasn't all myself wasn't always mechanic. There wasn't the bike and what it was a little bit of everything right. Yeah i mean from from that point. Yes absolutely They was frustrating. Does it bother me that you guys are talking about absolutely not thick skin right off every word in your if you're a nightcap and baltimore i'm trying to susan if we must myself i'm gonna talk about it and i feel i felt daily but we don't stop right right now you you've obviously got your suspension business going. There in maryland and the ultimate goal of course is to increase business increase revenue by racing and marketing. And doing all that. Do you feel like you have. Is that on the is that is that a is that a silver lining in here for you spend the money to go racing that business has ticked upwards. Businesses has been for us this year. I don't know if that is a straight aurelie. Yeah who not because of code because code seemed to boom yup our entire industry. Yeah so. I'm hoping that it's a race team thing and not you know right. Virus caused sales spike on. And for me. I didn't do this for in the business side of this because i wanted to My passionate this has never been money driven. I didn't start the business to make money started the business to have some fun and and the continue. My father's legacy and i started racing when the exact same pretenses of doing something i've always wanted to do to continue And how about people who deserve to be helped out. Because i saw a lot of working class people that were overlooked because they had to work. And if i could figure out a way to change that. Like i said with a rod dell your or jeremy smith then that is exactly what niagara team's goal is right. Did you get a lot of riders. Calling you about reid's we're gonna go into twenty twenty one at the same lineup but you get some guys that with pretty good names calling you wake up. And then there's a million rider and he dried so. I know that's why i mean. That's that's what i mean like. Yeah like these guys you know they look at your program. Yup sure you're not paying salaries and all that stuff but you're giving guys you know ways to get to the racism racer motorcycles. So i'm a popular. Not everyone knows it added to. No one knows what the program is but riders get to keep their gear money. They're making money. I mean they're gonna salaries are making you know personally and stuff like that. So i mean they they that stuff from for me again i it just. It's always a up in europe. There's a lot of great talent you know that can be. You know the top three in heat race but there's a lot of inconsistencies and except for me it. Just i don't i'm honest with you. I don't think my program is ready to run that level. I need to work out kinks. Yeah do you. Obviously the end of the year writing a check. You max helps you out in all your sponsors help you out but the end of the year writing your check to go racing i imagine how is that is that is that is that is that costs too. Big to bear for another year is it okay Does it work out okay. Does it balanced somehow with the suspension business like financially for you is. Is it a. Is it a huge Check at the end of the year. What am i spent over. Two hundred thousand utica reason. Yeah yeah shit. No but i you know. Are we doing this again next year. And i said absolutely i can't. There was too many things that i just felt like. I didn't know throughout the year. That i now know to to just be done on schedule as uncompetitive sense. I'm not competitive against the other teams but competitive over my own program. So i felt like. I could make a lot of changes for the better and i wanted to keep going on an administrator and say who's into this but just knowing me i. I don't see it stopping. Well we had the close on last show on this part here linde owned. He owns rock river. And we had Jillian peri last show before that. Who owns the pr mx team. So i find it interesting to talk to three guys who are dubbing money in the sport and the sport at different levels and all that so for us in our listeners. We appreciate the candor. Can it's interesting to to hear you talk about efforts racing race tech suspension private island life. Podcast jason butkus from s g. Shower sake so okay. How is he handling his new found fame because every time i was over there you know after he had a great day he seem have a lot of ladies. He seemed to have more and more ladies as the season went on. I think oh. I think he's staying with just one. I'm growing okay. I haven't seen a whole lot ladies. Okay aren't so yeah. He's not telling is fame. Well then and i tell you what what i absolutely. I'll talk that rag for second is he's different than attorney of the people his generation. He he likes to have fun. He absolutely has a great sense of humor but when i first met him he shook my hand. Look the is introduce Which isn't common with this generation. And which i respect a lot and he and alex. Rae send me a text message every weekend thanking me for the weekend even if part even if it goes sideways. That's me a message and says you know thank you which in i don't do this for any type of publicity orphan it's not my data but when you do work your off and i'm working seven days a week just to get a little text message from the guys. You probably could be thanking them as well. You know it does. It goes a long way. It means low just rattle. Which means i want to train this year. I'm like i want to go somewhere. I don't want to go to california. I wanna go some herself. And i wouldn't focus. I want to train and he lined up you know. Got me in touch with you. Know tyler and He lined up his own place to stay down. There him some bikes and my one of my trailers down this weekend and said that he wants it. He's got some skills man. He can really ride a bike. He's good absolutely was jerry cans. Are you said you started with him. You're working for a little bit. He didn't have the greatest supercross season for one hundred stand though is value to you as a team. I mean look you of the main events you want them in there. There's no doubt but his motorcar schools that i've talked to him about and sat in my studio and know we talked about How successful it was those are really tying into your business well right. That's that's a side benefit to having a on the team absolutely he pumps your self. And he's local to me so it makes it very convenient And i'll go. Actually i was at a one of his Yesterday on he didn't want to west. Virginia or can evening school and it is he will send the one average about two to three people a week for suspension. It's awesome right. It's a real thing so you're like. Hey i'll take you racing. You get me some business for suspension and you know so like i told you before. Modern my entire oyster with people. I wanted to be with him on weekends. Gonna a way. I'm gonna enjoy the people around and i enjoy hanging out with in. That's my team criteria. He doesn't want to reach for me. Got enjoy being around you. It's not a bad idea. It's not a bad theory. I gotta say that can i. Can i think twenty two what we do like a twenty writer team. Hear me out twenty rider team and each weekend. Whoever performs the lowest. She's gets voted off like like survive. I liked that. I love it because great budget will be decent by time. We hit motocross. It's fantastic and can we can maybe have a belt and the belt could go to the top guy. The belt could move around from week to week. And the loser gets kicked off and we need to take torches and kit are. Oh i fell torches in the pittsburgh that screw who cares do it anyways. But we'll do we'll figure it out. Hey the supercross schedule dropped a couple of weeks ago and you saw. We're going to be in one city for multiple races except for daytona. How does that affect the financial outlook for you as a team. Better worse the same What's it like to see that unique schedule. Say fuel. So that's great. I got to spend more money in lodging but were working class team. A lot of mechanics have jobs during the week myself. I'm in the suspension shop. Turn week with young hell there's So it definitely creates a little logistics issue with tuesday race. But i will say i like the idea of multiple races at a venue. I thought salt lake was fun. I mean forward just a typical week for me going ray season. Is you know monday to friday. I'm in my suspension shop. You know working and try to get orders out. I then fly out friday night to the races. You go to the racetrack on saturday morning. I'm there all day. we clean up. I fly back sunday. Which for me was a time. I'm losing three hours or seventy hours so it takes all day to fly on back home. I hang up my family. And then i'm back in the shop monday so it's not enjoyable to travel far. There's no day off. there's no break. I can't see anything. I've been all over the country. But i haven't seen a single been all over the country i've seen nothing. Yeah yeah i got. I'm no smarter and with that. I liked going salt lake. Because there's a couple of down days. Nothing was rush. We tom to bikes right there. Like it was just. It tends to flow little. Can you get work done back. There are no you can you. Can you do that or is that not possible. It's just not not not i mean. I could moving cleaners in the shop better. Do you know very well and stuff like that. So yes i can. I also have you know some people shop here that do a great job as well. So we're not gonna go to business just yet but it will be okay if people want to support. You are listening to this. What's your website for first. Gb it is s. Dash racing dot com. Okay so they can line up your suspension. Their you're outside of outside of from maryland just north of baltimore okay. All right perfect. Jason buddy on the on the racing tech suspension. Poverty island podcast. You are doing my project. Five hundred forks and shock right now as we speak. I'm looking forward to seeing that. You're going to get coated. It's going to be revolved and everything else citing so we're gonna do some. Some race tackled outright. Yeah yeah and it's going to have that factory show a look with the coatings uppers and lowers and stuff. So yeah i'm like yeah turn out well and keep going there and and we do a lot of code for a lot of suspension companies. Actually now is it something you do. They're like you've handled you handled there. You have somebody that you work with. I just wanna work with. yeah so obviously. They're pretty good. If you're doing other companies. I do i actually got lucky in. I'm contracting with only lower pudding. Quick a certain tolerance and that's where a marketed from me right So majority of these lower coatings over used by medical equipment. Gun stuff jewelry. So there's no tolerance to it if it's a little bit thick or a little bit less than toronto. There's no issues there for us. Know creates uneven. Wear seal issues and things like that. That's exactly how i found out about coatings. According with a one of our providers. When i first started out and i completely ruined the forks and not me personally but the coating company yeah for my name was on it so it was my responsibility on and couldn't hold seals at ryan threw forever figured out and once i figured out i flew out there and talk to them. They had zero interest of changing the process. Things on my medical pit bull locally. And i started working with this company And i spent a lot of money. Because i was embarrassed about the first failure and spent a lot of money and worked together and since i put in so much of their knowledge for their system we contract it out that they would only tolerance checks one to me and my company Yeah yeah he got create yourself. A little niche there correct. Yeah so we keep it going. I do some companies some researching and see where i get my stuff done but again they don't do thomas check on which works out. Well and again. I did it with the company itself enough people. I was working with elise. I'm still safe. I just drives me crazy. Like i used to do motorcar schools way back in the day and canada when i lived there and and i was always mechanic for a long time and You know. I'm heavily involved with ray tech so whatever you want to say. It's a bias. It's bai's it's fine the fact that people don't get this suspension mentioned oil changed just from a brand new bike. Drives me crazy. Just drives me absolutely bonkers. You don't get your bushings done. Your seals change oil change. I'm more talking about. Don't need to go and get a revolve you can you. Can you can bring the bike for your weight or speed. Get the oil changed and your bike works so much better and it just drives me nuts. I try to hammer that home to people all the time. I mean absolutely amateur. Riders are noticing. What the cowboys that. They break down the first three hours like the oil they think about the the grease putting all these in our bikes. You get him like their the greece's non-existent were there. That's not where they're spending their money. And i understand it and i thank your really right so but no it is an people. How long enough to really think about suspension and i explained to people as a motor without combustion. You had metal moving pork. You have friction down. You're trying to keep it with temperature control just like you would with a a motor so it's not much different. You're not gonna wrong forty to fifty hours with your dirt bike and not change a motor oil. Don't do the same suspension are you are you. I don't know if smith rod balance era. Don't strike me as ace testers. So when you're working with them for suspension stuff You know do you. Do you just kind of go off what they want what they say. Do you run it by somebody else does. Aj help you Where do you get your specs from to kind of get these guys. I mean this is the highest level of stuff. This is super this. Is you know. High high rates of speed. You got to be good at at no one hundred suspension at at that level. How do you how do you bounce stuff off of or are they good enough. That they're they are good enough. They know what they want Way more picky than others Smith you know he is. He arrived whatever normally with him. His feedback is normally. It's good and that the feedback a gift from Towards the end of the outdoor nationals. He started you know kind of like okay. Hey can we go this way a little bit in which is good because he's starting to see and understand how that works and it's very it makes my job easier. Yes with that. I do all the testing with you. Know these guys on the east coast. I will say. Alex does work with recycle out on the west coast. Just because it's easier all involved. I mean the to sit here and trotted into play the game in for suspension To do it and then back. It just doesn't make sense when he can go and work with rob and turkey and they communicate with great success at. It's it's amazing. It's easy to sell products. And i work very well with them. You know they they tell me what changes were made in. Were going in keeping the date. I don't feel like they talk down to me in any way differently and you know i believe my suspension tuning abilities very good But like i said it makes it very easy for them to help me out. I still learn daily. So i don't sit here and act like on the best at you. I'm still learning Firepower parts max's tires all part of the kawasaki team mirror pistons well on board of this. Privateer ireland podcast. We'll wrap it up here a little bit with few more questions for you For you obviously the like you said you wanna be a stepping. Don't does that involve getting a semi truck down the road. What do you feel about that. That's something you wanna do. You feel like you guys do well enough with your setup that you have now is okay. it does what it needs to do. I definitely think we could use more room some. I definitely would be more beneficial in some levels. But there's more to it and for me. I'm trying to master. I jumped into the deep end. There's no question i got. And i felt like we did good But i really want to fine-tune what i have and if semi presents itself. Something like that i can talk and entertain that but i think lisa my focus. I gotta make sure he's stays. Hey four jordan. Jarvis obviously the highest ranking female rider we have on the circuit and the fastest longtime what she liked to deal. What how is she for you. The attention that she brings What's it like. Geez she is with us. She's quiet for the most part and she opens up but she is. She's more of a quiet person. Definitely not like the alex. Rae rodbell combination. Yeah you probably got to tell her. Look see those idiots over there you see those guys. Yeah just just ignore them. Just just so. She's very easy to work with on a bike level. She works very hard and she tries to to improve every single weekend. So it's no complaints. I got a fairly fun team to work with. There's no headaches. I can't sit here and tell you that i have a headache. It's stress from poorly managing rating. Besides that fun did you go through a lot of mechanics teams on your level. You guys get promoted gambling jobs. They jump guys decided. The lifestyle isn't for them. Other guys does. The pay isn't what needs to be other like myself. I started on a team just like yours. We had a little higher profile rotter in nineteen ninety six but it was a truck and trailer and it wasn't much money. And i i loved it. I loved it. I sacrifice. I wanted to do it and understood that i had to to get my reps in with a team like yours. So what's it like for you do you. Do you have the same guys. do you go through guys. Do you kind of sit them down and be like. Hey this is the deal. This is all i can do but you know maybe this can be something greater for you. It doesn't change nevada mechanic side. It's i'm trying to help them. And you know my program is not going to be three million dollar budget program ever rock so that means that the mechanics are gonna make very very little all my to latch onto riders. Go to the next level and in continuing further their career. Just like you know though. There's not a whole lot of money in the mechanics side of this sport. Unless like i said you're onto somebody really really good and it's really generous. Yeah no absolutely right. it's yeah but but again making they need the rhapsody the experience and working for main event guys guys in the points like all your people. That's that's how you do it. You know i mean teams aren't for the most part walking around like hey. You spun some really good wrenches to come work for us. Yeah it goes through the rider. Yeah yeah oh you make relationships and it takes a while you know what i mean. It's not necessarily ready. Lefty lucy gets you one of those jobs. So all right man. Did we cover everything. Jason did we want to talk about. Or did i miss any key points between you get really good job. Coasting us on thank you. Thank you appreciate. Listen we need you know. Geico has gone and we think j. Gr won't be back guys like you man. We we appreciate them. We need them in the sport. And and you you guys were the hype team last summer There's no doubt it was the hype was there and we all were coming around and hanging out with your team and it was fun team and it was a fun to come around after the racist and talk to you guys and and poor array at sometimes. He's you know. Sometimes you're the hammer sometimes. You're the nail area was sometimes the nail so it's going to create a little bit more more spark for. I think it'd be good. Yeah no i hope so. I'm just got to have a little rough patch nor to to succeed. That's what i tell myself day. Every day well listen. You can be back patrolling the streets of baltimore. I would. i own my god. I can't even if it was less stressful. This shit what was the gnarliest thing you can do. You can tell us. Is there one that you can that you can actually tell us on on the podcast or is there. I can tell you funny stories and stuff. I mean it the funny ones i see. I'm i'm more of the sarcastic guy. Funny stories occurs probably should have been more serious and more scared more often on a different one. Because i have told some source for people so they had a stabbing in a neighborhood and they wanted us to increase our patrols gonna start start enforcing the curfew at the state park where people are working to and for us. I mean that was just get out of your type thing so those little die work in plainclothes detail. It's getting sundown and there's two Probably up to no good. At that time. I was wasn't very good shape and i hope this eight foot chain link fence and i get down. I'm getting ready to approach them partner. Who's a salad dude. Very solid gets a little while the top of the eight foot fence and then falls down and when you land. There was a little grasp patch with a small to foothill into an alleyway in baltimore and he lost his footing pretty good and slammed into the away with fell foot so then all the kids turn and look at us and all i can see. Is his flashlight rolling in the alley. Like it's a half-point land. There and i just turned to the kids and i'm like have a great day to talk to them. Yeah you you were. You were doomed field. That did you ever. Did you ever have to yell like golfer backup backup. Yeah times where. I've got my ass kicked. There's no ruin. there's no secret here. S kick for a little bit and then you know everyone else comes in week gas eventually virtually situations where you get into like oh. This isn't an i've had put my. I put my face into criminals back just to protect myself in that sense. It's like that ten thirty seconds feels like thirty minutes right. And you're like if i can stay alive through this. You guys are gonna pay not so this this this these police protests and things like that are really the. There's something that really hits home for you right. Yeah i'll tell you one of the reasons why. I wish i was back. I got other crew of people that Are planning flight. That i band into one. Yeah that's true. You know a mental warrior. You know of someone that it hasn't mindset is they don't want to go away from like when it's shits fan wanna run to its signal. It's definitely tough senior. All along reggie left. And i'm like no man. Yeah i could see. That is just misunderstood. Is i look at it like there are some bad apples for sure. There's also plumbers and there's bad grocery clerks you know what i mean like. I mean i'm sure for everything. I met one corrupt cop in my eleven years and he left. He let he made about nine months before he got fired. We don't wanna work. No i can. So i can sit here and say that. There was other officers at handled things different than i would. But i wouldn't say that they had bad intentions you know mentality or mindset do it it's very it's very high school. You got you got you. Guys that are jockeys in a sense where they're just they. Don't play games. you got your class clown. She's got your shy people. It's the same now. I was a class clown. I my friend. And i when we worked and we had domestics and disturbance you if you are doing here and i would go there and we would pick sides and argue with them. We would just argue louder than the people arguing to the point where they stop arguing like what is going on here and we would start pushing each other and we would leave and then they would never call back while man. Thanks for the thanks for the time. Today jason appreciate it good job on the year looking forward to twenty twenty one four to see my project. Five hundred suspend also Whenever you get a chance to get that thing done a great job with With rebel this year era smith a really really good solid results and hopefully on more upward for you and better things looking looking for your team. Yeah man you're part owner so tomorrow i'll talk sent me some of the invoice right right as soon as you can get on that. Thank you enjoy. Yeah thanks very much ray. Tech suspension ethics are racing privateer life. Podcasts buddy thanks man appreciate it enjoy.

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Beating The World's Biggest Killer

Food for Thought

51:38 min | 1 year ago

Beating The World's Biggest Killer

"Welcome back. It's amazing to see just how many people choosing into feed for thoughts. May I just share a big thank-you for all of your love and support. And I'm so excited to bring you guys series three. I'm delighted to share this series is in partnership with heck being an independent and family owned business. They pull out all the stops to bring that farmers market quality to the supermarket shelf plant based eating is on the rise. And heck paving the way foods when it comes to veggie sausages. They have the power to sway even the most adamant of meat. Eaters, believe me, I've seen it the impressively original flavors, the CPA green with spinach, and kale Indian, inspired Bollywood bangers tie infused. Sweet fusion fiery beetroot, and wolf's radish. They are so incredibly tasty and versatile. I genuinely decide on a favorite. The range can be found online at heck food at UK as well as in major supermarkets. Hello. And thank you so much tuning into fee for thought a podcast on a mission to quip, you with all the evidence based advice you need to live and breathe a healthy lifestyle. I'm Rianne and Lambert registered nutritionist found re Trish in London's leading private nutrition clinic, and author of Reno and top of you gain in each episode. I'll be joined by special guests. All of whom can be considered old farts temp voices in health said that together, we can learn fact from fiction and empower the healthiest and happiest versions all ourselves with trusted expert advice. I wonder if you think you know what the world's biggest killer is smoking cancer road, accidents you might be surprised to hear that. It is, in fact, heart disease, according to the World, Health Organization over eighteen million people die from it every. Single year. That's over thirty percent of all global deaths. But how do we know if we're at risk of heart disease? And do we have any control over reducing this risk to help us ons of these critical questions and hopefully help? Save lives is professor Martin Cowie consultant cardiologists at Imperial College London. Hello Martin be here. Great. It's great to have you here, I think that in terms of talking about the topic that we're discussing today, it's definitely something that most people listening wore knows somebody who has affected all they have passed and even impacted by it. So could you start by explaining what is meant by heart disease for us? We're heart disease as you see runs and many people's families, so they will know somebody who's got it, and it's kind of a very broad numbers, anything that can affect the heart, the particularly common form in the UK. And in European countries is furring up off the arteries to the heart. So lots of different tabs for that. But it can lead to heart attack can lead to the need for a bypass operation. It can give you an giant, which just means chest pain, when you're exercising. So that's really, what most people think about this heart disease, but other people bandied around towns like cardiac arrest, which actually just means your heart stopped. So that's a different thing. But you see it as if it's not. We started on then heart failure, which is when the heart doesn't pump properly in your bit breathless with that. So lots of different towns, but heart disease, generally furring up the arteries. Yes, I think that you're right. That's what most people would look at it for. And could we discussed? Maybe what happens when somebody is suffering from from this for instance, so any one of those symptoms. Is it raised blood pressure? How does that really work? Raw don't want to scare people listening, generally furring up starts when you're a teenager, and then accelerate through life. And we know the factors that make it more likely. You're furring up. If you're male, I'm afraid the risk is higher than if you feel particularly until the menopause. But women catch up. It's not entirely clear Weiser's on. I'm sure it's partner related to the effects of eastern that women are protected from furring up, but because it doesn't make you immune so people with heart disease. Women have a slow diagnosis, because they themselves don't take very seriously. Think it can't be my heart. And also, the doctors don't take the shoot but in general, you probably have heart problems ten years later than a man. But coming back to your question. What other factors? So having diabetes accelerates the furring out process, not exercising and being very sedentary. Classify as type two diabetes. But both tight one anti Krisha risk of firing up of the arteries, although it's a lot better now than it used to be gone to talk about things we can do to change this risk being overweight. Probably a small risk factor not quite as bad as you think, contains a furring off the arteries, high blood pressure. Also, and high cholesterol, particularly confer up your arteries, okay? So, so own cholesterol, I think I'm it's obviously, a heavily debated type of topic that will be lots of people champion different kinds of ATM opinions when it comes, but I often hit people were fired into cholesterol, as, as bad and we know that there's a difference breakdown with LDL low density, lie. Preteens or HDL so high-density could could you break that out for us as well? I think car-o-van was the form that I talked about good cholesterol cholesterol, HDL sucks sleep furring up your artery, and the LDL's a bad cholesterol at I it all up. But we all need cholesterol because. It's a key part of ourselves in our bodies. So we need some, but sadly, we've all got probably too much, and that does speed up the furring up process, some kids are unfortunate enough to be born with extremely high cholesterol instead of the normal that same being three four five the woman cholesterol, ten eleven twelve and they actually have heart attacks as teenagers and very young adults because cholesterol is just so high and so talks. Genetic genetic thing, it's called familial, hyperloop, -demia, or f h as a patient group in this country in the UK that's trying to raise the profile of that, and also to help get screening for it. So if you've have very bad, family history of heart problems, then you definitely should get tested for your cholesterol to pick that up so good cholesterol, bad cholesterol about trying to get the balance in the right direction. And I just realized I forgot to mention one of the most important things is cigarette smoking. Cigarette smoking just is that. Why me on top of all of that? There's only one thing you listeners here from the whole podcast, please, get help to stop smoking, because it really exceleron deferring up process. Yeah, you hear also people, I think back in the day when cigarettes make him. I coming around people call good for the heart and all those kind of myth is could be further from the truth. No good things about cigarette smoking from the heart point of view. Exactly. So you touched on the topic of it could be genetic now, this is an interesting thing because a lot of people panic, if they have let's say a blood prick in that local gym that would help them. They've got high cholesterol. What do they actually want to be looking for in that case? I know the over fourteen in this country, a kind of encouraged go get health jokes. So cholesterol's one of the risk factors for this. But you know, if you have no other risk factors in your cholesterol profile between the good and the bad isn't too bad. Then you may not actually very much a toll or may not cause problems. About putting all the information together. So I've tested all of these cholesterol kits. You can buy them in boots. You stop yourself the color and everything. Okay with that. That's fine. But it doesn't go quite far enough. So just knowing your total cholesterol is not enough information to be useful. So I think that's where having a check and somebody actually chance to you and put in context with your age in your family history, and your other risk factors is really important says it kind of an entry thing at least two interstate just checking it the sky, high, of course, you need to have attention, but for most people, it'll be kind of in there what we call normal range, but that's normal for you k which doesn't mean healthy. But you need to get some advice about what it means. I'm very happy with the fact that you touched on that the kind of criteria being in the UK because obviously, it's very difficult to give bespoke information on the public health level of having to come up with something that is a cheap -able rather than being optimally healthy. Perhaps ended. And if we're looking at things we can do to play a role. Opposite dire- is my, my bread and butter and say all the things that specifically can help us reduce risk in, in diet diet. Yes. I think keeping a healthy diet food important, but also keeping your weight under control. Most people tend on wait to get older Quechua process. So they put on a kilogram or two each year. But after ten years, you know, it's quite a lot after twenty years is a huge amount. And as you know, your metabolic rate, drops unity less, as you get older. Many people don't adjust stressing factors become less active. And then they wonder why they're getting a little bit bigger as time goes on, you know, it is about balancing things and thinking about okay, how can I improve things and I was like it like a like an insurance policy. So it's never too late to start it. You should always be investing in your future. Heart health, every you're doing you can make some changes to improve that Jewish risk weight is quite a controversial topic as well because how. How do you define a healthy weight? Now, there's people to argue that BMI's and track here at measure, you can't be healthy at varying shapes and sizes. So how would you advise people to keep a tab on? Oh, yeah. This is a bit too far now. And why would it be to tell them to make dodge changes immediately, light lower their Sultan tape? Perhaps. Dart's, as you know, it's a long term, thing, people get into habits and it's quite difficult to change your habits and you have to fit into your lifestyle. Most of lots of things we've got to cheat, and we're eating on the Ron, and we have time to do things, and we kind of know what we should be doing, but often don't do it. So it's kind of trying to mix that in and just try and make healthier choices. It's a bit like exercise you have a choice, you know you go into building and you think well there's a stairs and there's the elevator what am I going to use? That's a choice. Easy to make these little changes. I think also for diet. I'm sure we'll talk about a little bit more. There are some easy things you can do, which put you in the healthier directions. It's interesting. You mentioned that I had a client this morning. We were discussing that she'd read somewhere that dairy is now very good for her health. So, but then there's other people upset -ality this still actually saw traded fat not great for heart health, has lots of different media messages. So in terms of giving patients advice in that area, could you firstly tell us what your view is on the whole is dairy good for her helpful already come down to butter cheese milk. I think you know, the old story that Maureen was always better than butter. I think has been through neither one. Oh, yes. Poli actually the opposite. So we knew a lot more about, what's sometimes worrying is immediately loves new stories, and scare stories and get plastered all over the front pages. And then everybody goes, well they said that. Last year. Now, they say something different and nobody knows anything. So, I'll just continue with what, as you know, the basic message is haven't changed. And I just trying to keep your weight under control have plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables, and British people are not good at freshman postals, particularly man, it's, it's terrible oil. We're not getting our five day noth- anywhere near fire day, now, some people think chip's is a vegetable. So the country as a source of vitamin c some people, and that's an even more worrying till fake, really. I mean you mentioned vegetables, what about fiber because I've always been told more fiber better for the heart. I think there's some evidence that five and particularly type fiber can help reduce cholesterol a little bit. And that's important. So I think some fiber, and you don't is good more fresh fruits and vegetables, try. And when you're having meat if you like eating meat not to make always red meat but white meat is probably better for you. You know, having something once or twice a week is fine what you don't want to do is becoming obsessive about every single thing you do because, you know, it's your life. You've gotta get enjoy it. So when I'm seeing patients today, much don't understand where they are at the moment. What do they want to achieve an hi can we work towards that? And quite often alarms me, people have a shock. Let's say they have a heart attack, or they need to know peration and suddenly decide to change every single thing in their light. And that is not sustainable, because if you've done the same things for fifty five years suddenly changing is very unlikely to continue, but making small changes and also within families, you know, if your partner is not going to make the change is very difficult to continue with it. What's it good Tuffy to raise because actually it's the people you live with you surround yourself with the environment. What makes you happy all these factors can contribute to health. It's not a simple as a black or white will if you eat salt, you will have heart disease. Absolutely. And it's also not just about each individual food. See some people seeing look at the labelling on food in the supermarket choose the green things will you can't make a nice meal from just green things to make some an put together. It's about the balance in your diet and sometimes. Occasional treat is very good for mental health. Oh my goodness. I couldn't agree more. I'm very much of the belief that if you don't allow yourself enjoyed items, you're more likely to engage in really unhealthy behaviors fuel mental health and your body. So I was always under the impression as well that you can make huge differences of dot to help those cholesterol profiles, perhaps, the H data and the L DO all your sorta believe, of course, if you have more healthy fats, perhaps, in your diet, might say healthy, I mean the monounsaturated fatty acids things like avocados guys nuts seeds. Khimik some difference to you. And if it were lifetime that probably will reduce the risk of furring up. I think probably at some point we need to, to mention the fact if you do have throwing up to the extent, you've had a heart attack, or you've had a stroke, some problem, the circulation and your legs. Then diet is important part of that. But you will need additional treatment to get your cholesterol, right done much more than you could ever achieve by just diet. Some people have very diet sensitive, though. So, for example, some of my patients who are just worried because of the family history, but they don't have problems as yet. Thankfully, the change the diet and the actually get a ten or fifteen percent reduction in the total cholesterol, I guess slight bump up in a good cholesterol reduction in their bad cholesterol. And that's great. But that doesn't happen for everyone. Some people can become really strict can take everything I their diet and actually makes not that much difference to cholesterol. So we are all humans. We're all different role different genes. Is different response to things but on average, we knew what good looks like we do. And that leads me onto the topic, you've discussed the medication. And I suppose, started because I went to a toll I think it was the guild of writers or something about three three years ago. There was some quite controversial topics going on surrounding the discussion of statins. First of all, would you be kind of show with us water? Staten is they does and why there is now a bit of a divide on this subject. I don't think there's much of a divide in terms of most medical people. We probably have more large scale human trials of fish drug class than any other drug. That's prescribed in the world. Cross everything heart attack after bypass after stroke after all of these things we've gotten all of these trials on they show on average that people do very, very much better taking them. So that's why statins are in all professional guidelines in every country in the world and grand conspiracy calls. The evidence is really overwhelming, I think where people run into problems where Dr then sees where the guidelines says you must do this. So I don't care about us a person if you don't do this, you're just not taking the right treatment, and that, of course, is not what medicines about. It's about choice, explaining the evidence on balance going to do much better every darkest side effects, Stanton's actually have very few side effects, and very rarely caused serious problems. But some people do get muscle aches and pains. But how often do you get muscle aches and pains? You can easily to blame the drug so serious problems are not common. What really worrying though is that people that stand up and say, there's a grand conspiracy, we're poisoning people. We shouldn't be using Stanton's then means that people stopped taking the stance. Now, the risk of you having a second heart attack, or a stroke, then goes up and somebody's published publication just very recently swing in the UK alone. Ten thousand plus people have suffered a second heart attack, or stroke, because of what they read about Stanton's being bad. But I think it's really important to try and balance things. Nothing is always hundred percent. Good bad. It's about tailoring advice to the individual, but on average statins, a very good thing. I'm so glad they're around. And that's an excellent excellent way of putting it in a good way of knowing how to distinguish good. When I say, good health rationales I mean, somebody that's going to give a balanced opinion. Rob them, forcing something, and it never extremist high. Of Mata because that's what I call sky mongering, quite frankly and it's almost like competing in his paper, headlined to the general public whereas he said, one size doesn't fit tool. But the evidence is they are very beneficial. What about other kind of areas where heart disease can be treated how, how can we treat it? So we've got started in what about methods like surgery. So if you do get furring open your trees blocks off completely. Let's say it's a hard you have a heart attack. Then hopefully nowadays, you come to medical attention really quickly blue light it as we call it an ambulance to the nearest heart attack center. You'll try and open up that archery and stop any damage to your heart and that happens now in the UK where we've spent a lot of time in the last twenty years reorganizing services to do it. So every areas covered and it's got a big heart attack center, been Laden, good acute, stroke units everywhere as well. So you can get very quickly to the best possible world class treatment. Sometimes people, of course, don't realize having a heart attack on the symptoms on not as classical as they might be. Well, it is. But something humming, the pain or for heart attacks. Some people say it's not really a pain. It's just a heaviness and the chest, which is really unpleasant, and they can feel nauseous, and sick, then you will cause them feeling nauseous, maybe it's my stomach is here. Yeah. I don't want to bother anyone and they play it down. Even doctors are note very good at recognizing a heart attack, when it goes to them. So it's obviously, you know, so obvious people, so let's say you, you present late, and you do have a blocked artery, and you don't get to the heart attack center, and they don't open up your Archie with pretty little Stanton to hold it open. So you've damaged your heart also now, if it's bad enough, you have heart failure with a heart's pumping properly, but there's lots of modern treatments for heart failure. Lots of different drugs, lots of different pacemakers different things, and also people with heart failure not specific problem died is also important, because more salt, you have in your diet and the more fluid, you retain will breath, this, you might come. So we do need to talk about salt as well as an important. You actually because it came up. I mean this podcast is coming out in a different date. But once again, sold in the headlines at the moment is well in relation to high consumptions of prices foods and red meat, and that sort of thing. Now the government guidelines for soul that something that's been campaigned on for many a year now trying to reduce the levels we as a nation on a whole. Do you see a large correlation them with high salt diet? I think the evidence is pretty good. The more salt on average country takes they hire the blood pressure levels now. We know blood pressure in the long term can lead to things like heart failure stroke and kidney problems. So we'd like the blood pressures to be lower on also we'd like not to go out with age, which is a very strong trend in western countries largely driven by sold putting on weight such drives up drinking too much alcohol drives pressure as well. But there's actually been a concerted effort by medical professionals the government and a little bit by the food industry to reduce the amount of salt in food, because most people don't realize that salt is actually pre PU into things like bread is the largest source of salt in many people's diets. Things low, fat things, often, put Salton. Terrible for so long ago. Phrase him, veggie burgers sausages these days marketed healthy items. Insult and there's also difference between sodium and salt which deficit on a lot of labels sometimes. So I mean it's very easy to take more salt than you realize it's not just about. So you are cook or on the table. That's the minimum you know, the, the minority of the salt. So, I think people being aware of that, and also choice, you know, bag of Chris once a month, nobody's going to drop dead because are they, not if you take every day as a part of your lunch, three times a day, and I people then you know, it's a big hit, but it's all that salt in it is very easy to, to the whole days requirements of Seoul, one big hit, so we have to be careful of that we are getting better. It takes a while to lose the taste salt. So we're getting there, but we could do a little better. That's for sure. Say happy that subject, I feel like salted got forgotten about because everyone's so heavily folks Shikha these days or perhaps plant based diets, and other in other remits, but salt has a huge huge impact, and we actually have another cost recording that everyone is thing should check out on the current government kind of guidelines around salt and sugar and fats and that kind of thing, but it's very important for your overall health. And I've obviously watched him on saying, give various different types of lectures, and you have given so many in something that you often touch on his an aging population, which he just said, as well. How is the increasing life expectancy of the UK now impacting these bigots living longer on? We would you screwed success about you? I don't know about you. Halsey ripe old life. So it is about. So there's lots of good news here and our diets are better, the smoking rates are also much better than they were. We've got better health services. It's completely different thing than he was set up in nineteen forty eight just after the second World War at that time average life. Expectancy was sixty five for mine now. Seventy nine sixes Yang now. Absolutely. So it's completely changed. So we have to think about a long life ahead of us. The good news is from heart point of view at every age. We're lure lures than we used to be in the UK. So that is really good. But of course, we live a lot longer an age. I'm afraid brings all of these problems with it. So as you get older, there's a higher risk. And of course, you've survived infection because it's been treated you survived cancer. Maybe it's been treated with modern drugs and you're living into the age group, where the furring up process can cause a difference. And of course, the other big thing is dementia is often triggered by throwing up of the blood vessels. To the brains, that's a really difficult challenge. But we think that if you have a lifetime of good control of your blood pressure, your cholesterol, furring up things the risk of dementia is also lower. So I think that's a really important point to, to remind. So there's a large kind of car, relational link between dementia and heart disease. Bosco dementia is, is still a very common cause of, of failure of your brain as you get the end of your life, which I think, all of us would like to avoid anyone. Well, how are we going to be able to cope with the amount of treatments? Mean as we get older, the strain on the NHS is going to bigger and bigger. Do we even have the ability to cope at the moment where we? Good job on. I think we've got one advantage in this country is that everybody is covered by the safety net. So you get treatment is hard to remember in the UK, what it was, like when I see you need to have money to have treatment some countries in the world that still the same thank God. That's not the case. So any is there? I think a lot of working in partnership with people. The health service is not going to solve all your problems. It's there to pick you up something nasty happens to you. But actually, a lot of this is about your own choices that she go through life and establishing healthy things for your physical and mental health GP's of their hospitals to help give you advice. But also it's not just the GP the dietitians practice, sees lots of people around, and then, of course, it some just educating the public by what good looks like making it fashionable to be healthy opinion, someone passing like he said and the difficult thing that I. Hear a lot is. I don't care. I want to eat whatever I want to run a live my life, the way I want, but actually I mean fair enough and this probably is a little bit of a Mark moral ethical, tricky discussion, but surely, every single person has a responsibility for the health, not just for themselves. But if they then in this country intend on using the NHL services that must be a knock-on effect here. Kosovo says you say a difficult debate in the chief medical officer at the moment. Dame Sally Davis. I think gets it right in terms of tone. She said it's our responsibility as a health service to give people good information. And then, of course, it's up to them to choose what we want to do. But it's not on Honey state Bong, our job is to make sure that people do know what's happening. But I take your point. I never say, to my patients, you must never never never never a whole long list of things that give you pleasure. I'm going to tell you to stop all of them, that's just not gonna work out. So you have to say to them. What's the chief -able and often that's not actually the person? It's the partner. Helps that happen. Yeah. Cigarette smoking, often an example, somebody will see to me. I've got very stressful life. The only way I get through its by cigarette smoke and I say, well, you know what everybody has quite stressful life, and we've got things to help you stop smoking. Same with diet. You see what I really like this. I really like that. And I sit you don't have to stop eating that food late cheese. You don't have to stop the altogether. But please don't take a huge chunk of every night. Why don't you change that cancer? Why don't you give yourself a little treat once a week, you can look forward to that? And the rest of the time you can be really pleased with yourself you're behaving. So I think it's, it's about being an intelligent and kind of empathetic person is a very lovely quality that hype flee, the majority of whom I saw doctors out, they anyone seeing patients would have when you mentioned cigarette smoke and we just discussed how that affects the hearts is the chemicals and the smoke is that damages lots of things. I mean cigarette smoke actually has about thousand different chemicals in it. The nicotine is a thing. That's a dicta-, also makes your heart race and put your blood pressure up. But the, the things that are really talk sick all the tar type things the kind of complex hydrocarbons. You're inhaling, and putting right into your lungs, right into your bloodstream within seconds of the first puff your blood will be thicker, more likely to clot more likely to have a heart attack all of those issues whilst you get the nicotine hit all of the other things are also kicking in. So it is very addictive though nicotine is one of the most addictive chemicals. So I always say to people I do understand. It's not a question of willpower, not at all. This is really a very addictive habit. So you need help. Now we have ways of replacing the nicotine e cigarettes, lots of debates about that. But I think all of them, so far, they may not be Humphry by the hell of a lot safer than cigarettes smoking. So, I think anything that can get you off their cigarette. Smoking is a good thing from my point of view. That's really that's really wonderful to head. There's lots of technology around as well that can help us. I mean apple and Samsung, they've put out these watches that can monitor your heart rage, not so different aspects of your life. What do you think about this? Is it useful is accurate? Well, I think anything increases people's interest in their own health and the state of the heart is goat. I think this is a journey so technologies finding it space. It doesn't want to worry. People on the other hand flags up a problem earlier, that's got to be good. Doctors are often in two minds about. They worry about gangs won't with a whole lot of worried well as they would call it on the other hand, if you get somebody flagged up as a dangerous heart rhythm that might lead to stroke if that gets picked up. By an apple watch or whatever technology early. That's fantastic news. So is the kind of journey of discovery attack. I say it's a democratization of healthcare, so instead of you having to come to me and my equipment, my convenience. It kind of rolling out. So it's kind of more, it's your health. That's your technology. It's your wearable, but we have to then integrate the information in a way that makes sense. Then he how do we type with a capacity of more people being aware? Yes. But I you, I think the big tech companies are aware of this, and they're going quite cautiously. If you look at them talking about the technology, they often say, this is not like going to your doctor. It's another diagnostic. Guess maybe something that flags something up? You look at diabetes. We talked about it on, it's great to see. Theresa May had this patch on her arm. Every saw that she had the patch charm is then made available across the whole NHA's to certain types of people with diabetes. They can monitor the room. And blood sugar. Right. Jabbing themselves, anytime you like just by moving the phone over the little patch, and they can then adjust their insulin, insulin pumps that is so incredibly good news. Great. And that's just in the last five years, who knows ten years from now. What would be talking about technology, really does blow my mind and in terms of us in the UK? So it's sat psychot- from the British heart foundation say that four hundred twenty five people die from cardiovascular disease in the U K every day, which stands it, just sounds extortionate. So how does the u k compared to other countries? A very British way. It's kind of middle of the pack. Yeah. So. Better than countries to former Soviet countries have gotten terrible rate of heart disease. Bad diet, too much alcohol stress in that period of going from communism into the, you know, the world rates of heart disease, places like France and the Mediterranean have lower rates always had raining diet rates have been coming down since the seventies. So we're no longer the sick man of Europe middle of the pack but a lot better than we are. So I think it's really important to realize that we have made a huge my of progress, and that is good. And that's because our diets of teams since smoking rates have gone down, and we're more active. It's good to see that what, what I what about slightly for the future is all the screen time with young people. You know. And I mean, toddlers outwards where actually they're getting tuned into very inactive life where you just worry about the habits that they start in, in life about how much exercise they do. And how much tippety, so we'll see how that goes to, to be cities. Take probably. Aac probably cost. I mean, we could talk for a whole several hours my actual master's degree was an obesity and something, I'm extremely passionate about trying to help the future generations. Oh, I'm so happy. I'm not a child in this day and age of social media and technology. But the World Health Organization also refers to socio economic kind of state has being risk factors hopes it different discrepancies in the UK for heart disease with the most deprived. Areas of England being thirty percent. More likely to have high blood pressure. I mean, how can we change this, what, what do you think it is, is it the city, the infrastructure huge number of different factors? I think there's always been a gradient kind of difference between wealthy versus less wealthy terms of vascular disease, heart disease it relates partly to lifestyle issues. Now, when you say lifestyles, like smoking, it's like diet, but it kind of gives impression is about choice, sound. Trendies days. You know, it's, it's less about choice. If you have a very stressful life, and no money to spend, then you end up having to feed your family with very inexpensive rapidly available food. We stand to be full of salt full of fat, but what are you supposed to do? If you're seventeen stories up a tower block, and you've got no time, available money. It's not really about choice at all said availability, I'm what you have to spend on things. Very easy to have an expensive solid, most small glass of Chardonnay. You've got no job to do and you've got plenty of time. So I think it's less about choice, and more about what you're forced into, but that's not an excuse to not do anything about it. I think it is possible on any budget to make healthier choices and invest in your family's future. I think for all of us, we want our kids, a better life than we've had, and so wherever you are you commit healthier choices. But let's not blame people because it's not really choice for many of them. I'm so glad we've kind of raised rates at that. I hear it all. All too often it's very easy for someone to point the finger of blame or label somebody with a certain disadvantage or advantage. But actually, we're all dull to card in life, and it's how we go about dealing with the car that we get. And ultimately, we can probably make differences that we've just got to want to do it as well. We've got to encourage people, I think, to want to help children and want to help feed. Shutt- rations, and education has to also come not just from the government, but from the home as you say, so many different factors that I know there's not a one-size-fits-all, but itching on a budget. Now I'm going to talk about this a little bit very quickly because you can't do it frozen food. Ten foods, pocketed good. Actually, now is slow many healthy varieties out there. And you can by things, but media headlines to help when they say things like carbohydrates, make you put on weight. Whereas actually if most people invested in some good whole whole milk, kind of pasta Brown rice in the house, they'd be. So there was a big difference. Now when we're looking at the different accessibility in the variety of foods but to support the nation. That's no one-size-fits-all. There is emerging research suggesting genetics affect the way our bodies respond to certain foods, happy, hood of this, because obviously set at the ginning cholesterol is all sich netted. Genetic component. So if you're circulating cholesterol are influenced by that very strongly. So we mentioned you know, this familial, hyperloop -demia, she's campaigns about where you're born with a sky, high cholesterol, and that's really got to be picked up. And then you can get treatment for that doesn't happen link to perhaps the parents health status. It's just complete genetic. So the parents Jake, but similarly for you know, a lot of time Scottish in origin, and in Scotland many men considered they're both right to die for problems. A grandfather did the father day density think, well, I'm not surprised to go programs everybody in my family's go problem. So that's kind of, like I can't do anything about attitude or something, people are now having to break conc-, actually, whatever, jeans you being given you've got choice and you can pick things up early. You can be healthier lifestyle. Choices. Every male member of my family died young of heart disease. And yes, even my father has his own battles with it. So, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about very close to home. But do you think we could be making nutritional recommendations the tailored individually is that the more we can do that? Yeah. Full of medicines becoming more personalized. So it's less about let me put you in a kind of category, or a and describe Unicenter way. But more looking at using individuals. Okay. These genes, this is your environment. This is your choices. How do we improve things and wish you'd be target your efforts rawdon worrying about something that's not going to happen? We should we targeted. So that's the dream, I think, in terms of heart health, actually, we don't really need to know much about your genetics. We know what the factors only apply to everybody who actually a healthy lifestyle healthy diet recommendations really cover the ball. It's, it's the same. Known kind of I'm gonna say, sexy, Sal, because it is a balanced healthy lifestyle, with everything in moderation that we should be preaching and on that note, we have lots of questions from followers, people that want to ask you for your expert advice. Now, sits right difficult to give the spoke advice over Polk cost. But we will see what comes pulpy has set should I be opting for low fat or full fat yogurts in the supermarkets. I never know which one is healthiest, especially because now they've changed again, all full of sugar. I think dairies is an important part of the diet for his all, and it's by the amount that you're taking and then just looking at the other elements of your diet. But yoga it's very nice. It's great to cook with it's great to use other things. Exactly. So you're the expert advice about that. So it's much less about thinking of foods as either bad or good. It's about the balance of fat breeding together tasty meal that you want to eat a not too much of it. So I think most of us actually it's about counting down the quantity, Raleigh making huge changes to the types of food quality and quantity, poppy of your diet, and we don't know what your whole diet is like on a whole, so actually, you could be benefiting immensely from having some full-fat yoga to new Donat. I wouldn't worry t much about that. It's what you do. Have we day that counts really over the long period of time? Emily has asked when I feel really stressed my heart almost feels like it misses a beat every now. And again, is this normal palpitations I'm guessing and things? So the hearts, designed to speed up when you have to exercise or if your stress fight or flight response. And that's because of the. Adrenaline that's been pumped into your system soon. You're alive your heart's racing. You feeling actress, you know, that's just being human. Sometimes people are more conscious of politicians and others. It's only just an extra beat you feel a sudden thump, that's usually completely harmless into and help to worry about too much more. You worry about the more, you will notice in trigger frequent things that someone's getting daily weekly palpitations on if the politicians last minutes time, and they can feel your heart rose. You feel breathless and all of those things indefinite, you should get it checked, but it was only just a little thing now. And again, then, that's your human Johan. I've been watching way too much Grey's anatomy. And I know that's not nothing. Not cure indicator of what happens probably. But I feel like let's say situations where they pull out the the pods and they'll shell Q and everything's exaggerated. Going to happen. I don't think that you'll find Emily, hopefully Mark says, which type of exercise is best for cardiovascular health role, I think advice has changed slightly over the last two or three decades and it's one that's about doing so as you like doing 'cause you're going to do it more often, and not just do as the month of January and then stop. That's what many gyms managed to survive on all the people that don't go there all that money in January. So I think a lot of cardiovascular so getting your heart rate up and doing some general exercise of big muscle groups is great, but then, also some resistance training as well. And I think because it's a man asking this question. Many gyms to stop strewn. Supplementation is endemic every young person thinks about taking it does have serious health consequences. Yes, you might have a big gesture, and big arms. But those drugs are really strong. Thanks soon. You're living heart. So best of void them. I'm really pleased you for those up, especially social media kind of platform. So many people are taking different full of steroids things that they should not be see young men, come to me with heart failure because the heart muscle is failed because of all this testosterone, they're pumping into the system. Now, understand, of course, it cosmetic side of looking great. But on the other hand, you've got to realize risks to it. So a little bit of cardiovascular exercise, a little bit of resistance, and do some form excise you like doing very good. I'm Jen, Janice said my father died of a heart disease. I'm so sorry Jen, he ate lots of red meat is going vegan going to reduce my risk. I think anything probably just not eating red meat every day would be the helpful step to do. I don't think you need to go to the most extreme end of fatness you want to, but just gentle changes are probably sufficient, remembering is an investment policy of the rest of your life. It's not just a sudden dramatic change. That's that's necessary. And I would add that and. I'm I hear this a lot ovarian ISM make your heart disease or veganism. We'll have an impact on my health together. You can also be very unhealthy vegan and it's more of an ethical, maybe sustainable choice RAV than a type of diet. It's more of a lifestyle, so she should check farther from a very early age. Get your cholesterol check just in case you one of the one or two percent. Let's go from -demia. We're to f h yeah, and we'll your GP just do that to be able to do just say that you go based on family history. You'll know exactly what you're talking about making arrange the test guy John. Okay. So the last question is from. Well, he says, how often does heart disease if at young people. We kind of covered that, but. In ferring off of the arteries, tense as you get older beyond usual for somebody to have a heart attack in their twenties, occasionally people having to so, and then, as soon as you get into forties and fifties. It's not so uncommon, particularly in Europe. But of course, you can be born without problems. Well, how hot we have running marathons and what happens do you just touch was a whole range of things you can be born with some of them very serious lobby huge impact in your life. Others much minor. But people now living in to middle age with that we know of operations that children can have and older adults, and it's a, it's a fascinating area of development, so more and more people are living long-term with. So I think one of the key messages is just because you have a diagnosis of a heart problem doesn't mean it's the end of life. It's about getting on and making the most of the rest of your life, which hopefully will be many years, but a to the family, if you've developed that, then rest of the family needs to be checked out. You're right. It's. Fascinating. One of my favorite modules and my first degree was definitely looking. They're not be at the heart and trying to understand it and they've now got types of cardiology, don't they that, that could interventional cutting. And that blows my mind, quite frankly, the fact that you can see someone's heart without a pinning that chest. She, she can put stents arteries. You can do all sorts of things that happened to open up the chest. So cardiac surgeons have been looking around for work, no joke last last things to do more things easily done with a much faster recovery time. So I think one of the issues, particularly for male listeners if I can be really sexist isn't men tried to ignore health problems. And then if you do have a health problem, the often kind of deny impact, and trying compartmentalize it into part of their life, you don't need to do that. Lots of things that can be done. They will aim is to get you back to even more active and fitter life than you are before, so often, it's a good sign to know about it, so you can make changes for the future, wonderful, well, wonderful ounces death for you guys. Now we're going to be moving onto my favorite part. The puckers said this is cooled fact or fiction. Now, you ready? I'm ready braced. So I say. Let's see how we go. Okay. So if you answer as quickly as you can affect or fiction, and we do allow people to expand on each onset right, exercise reduces the risk of heart disease fucked. We should avoid dairy to reduce the risk of heart disease. That's kind of between conviction. Yeah. Some dairies, okay? But doing too much AK get us having a high cholesterol is unhealthy. Yes. Find walking is enough to keep your heart healthy it homes. Another inbetween one helps it won't make you immune top pro now. But do you would do you bake into slight sweat? Are you doing at least three times a week? Those kind of questions would be my follow ups. Ethnic origins, can change risk to heart disease absolute fact. So, for example, in the U K, if your family is East Asian genetic origin, you've got a much higher risk of developing heart problems at an earlier age. So a lot of Maine in the Asian communities will develop on Jain our heart attacks on the thirties as opposed to forty to fifty s as a combination of diabetes, which is more common also. Sensual fatness depositi. And it's just that the gene background is different. So you have to take things very seriously in that community just really have to think about your risk factors. Reminded me a little thing on. I'm interrupting the quickfire out, but fat around the middle is a dangerous area fuss. Indeed. It's better not ranger middle guy. Okay. Stopping smoking any age reduces the risk of heart disease. Fat eating fat makes us fat. Ooh. No, necessarily. I thought so that's fine margerine is healthier than butter fiction, heart disease rates are declining. People who regularly, eat breakfast tend to have lower rates of hot sees increasing evidence. That might be true. I'm sure. Actually, it was a paper just published today in the European journal of cardiac prevention was after heart attack. Those that not skipping breakfast and not having their main meal last thing at night before going to bed seem to do very much better. So that's you know, I joked this morning by, you know, skipping breakfast is being a bad thing, eight-match, not be great. I don't have I should be asking you the question and used to say feast feast, like a king for breakfast, and then less and less through the day. What do you think this is a very interesting area? I am of the belief that most people that may be true. However, of course, everyone is unique in some people thrive off. Not having breakfast in the morning depends on that kind of lifestyle in day to day thing. But we also know that people that eat breakfast did to healthier habits in general, which is something that we cannot deny. I think for some people, it's the main source of nutrition and the day that be getting in is early in the morning. So, and especially for children. We're having this debate as well. The actually children have a much higher energy requirement than adults so they need to be having that three meals a day. Yeah. So that there we go. So that nearly wraps up this episode. But as with every guest, we finish with a food for thought so mine today with heart disease, undoubtably, the world's biggest killer. It is important as long with regular exercise. We make an effort to include healthy hot foods is part of our diets. And as we've touched on there is no black hole what with foods. We know that. It's overall things that make a difference, not one item. But this does include lots of fruits and veges, they provide vitamins minerals, antioxidants things that help protect your heart and as a nation, we do eat too much salt, which we have discussed a lot, it can have such an adverse effect on our health and with seventy five percent of the soul, we eat or ready contained in the food. We buy try swapping sold for spices, when it comes to flavoring foods at home that can also be an option there. It's advised to eat to portions of oil efficient week since they contain Amiga three, which may have benefits for heart health. In fact, do I'm going to interrupt my food for thought there and pull on pull you in have you heard about the links between Amiga three and heart health. It's been a long history of doing studies of that. I think the consensus is omega. Three is good for you and only fish particularly good. Avoid it when it comes and laced with oil or whatever is. So you, are you. Yeah. Boy, it. Yes. Even being a big study. Now supplements with omega three suggests that there may be some heart benefit to it. So I think the digest vices oily fish twice a week as very good advice. Okay, there you go, because it remember some of this can be bought him, really affordable. Tends to try to stick to the healthy types. Like we said, in water as opposed to some flour oil, O'Brien say, you've got the real deal that power ever some things now are not classified as oily fish tuna is no longer a source of all fish. We've now been told by the government very disappointing on, but Sheena steak, but we should also be eating more fiber since the vast majority of do not consume the recommended thirty grams a day, five of may also helped keep us full and healthy. So mostly if we could ask you to leave our listeners with one thing that you really think will benefit them you'll feed for thought, what was that beats never too late to invest in your future heart health? That would be my thing, whatever age whatever issues wherever family history. Think about your heart health, make some fun changes to your lifestyle. And you'll reap the benefits straight to the point such a perfect poignant feed for that to end wave. And as he said, I could not say it better myself. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening. It really is heartening to know that such a craving to hear from expert voices in a world full of confusing advice. If you enjoyed this episode you'll love what's coming next week. So make sure you click. Subscribe to be the first to hear it. And please do leave a five star review. It really does help to get up cost out that and hopefully help near people's we really appreciate it. 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Episode 120: The Tunnel

Criminal

22:50 min | 1 year ago

Episode 120: The Tunnel

"Thanks to progressive for their support progressive. has you covered when it comes to car insurance starting with built in savings like discounts for being a safe driver you can also save when you start your online or of multiple vehicles on your policy in fact a survey of drivers who switched and saved in two thousand eighteen shouldn't average fridge annual savings of six hundred ninety nine dollars stirred a quote online and see all the discounts for yourself visit progressive dot com today discounts not available in allstate's in situations. I it's phoebe. I'm very happy to announce that criminal is coming to the Lincoln Theatre in DC on September eleventh for a live show and we'd love free to come and say hi we'll have brand new criminal stories plus a few surprises. You can find out more at this is criminal dot com. We'll hope to see you now. Here's the show you're at the edge of the SMOKIES. You're in country that is just just on the verge of being primitive remote but it's going rapidly to the tourists to the real estate people and the air is not as pure as it was when I was a kid when I used to sit on that porch at night with my grandparents and the set there in the dark I had no idea at the time that that was fair but it was gary. Carden has lived in this exact house in the mountains of western North Carolina for almost his entire life. He's eighty four years old. His grandparents built those and raised him here. I sat with him in the front room. He told me that I was sitting in the same spot where his grandfather's coffin was placed laced because he's been here in this small town for so long he knew stories that others have forgotten like what happened. In December of eighteen eighty two something the Raleigh News and observer called too horrible to chronicle without a shudder. I'm phoebe judge touch. This is criminal <music> <music> in the late eighteen hundreds North Carolina is trying to build a railway system through the western part of the state. They wanted built quickly. They wanted to move coal and timber and hopefully make a lot of money but there is no easy way to tunnel through a mountain. You're talking about manual labor people using picks and carting the debris away. Here's is Western Carolina University archivist and historian George Treselle. They're not going to have the kind of mechanized equipment that people are used to today. We're not talking about behaving machinery earthmoving equipment bulldozers. That's the reason the library so strenuous in eighteen seventy seven the state came up with a plan that they thought would both save money and speed things up and I ranted prisoners to the railroad and the idea being of course <hes> you have to feed them A._M.. Six cents a day and you have to keep them put them up for the night and if one trash getaway you can shoot them mm-hmm and if one dies will give you another one the president returned into a business <music> not far from where Gary Carden lives a group of African American prisoners released to the western North Carolina Railroad Railroad Company. They were building a new rail line in the mountains along Tuchus C._G.. River they had to manually bore through seven hundred feet of stone to make a tunnel big enough for trained to pass through it would be called the cowie tunnel. The men were chained to one another while they worked and to get to the tunnel each morning. The men had to get on a boat in their chains to cross the river one morning at the end of December eighteen eighty two it had been snowing and raining heavily the river was very high but the guards instructed the prisoners two board the boat and start across the river. Okay the bottom of that flat bottom boat is full of slush. <hes> it's water icicles a close <hes> just a mix and it's you know a couple of inches deep 'cause it's been snowing all night and <music> as they go that slush goes to the front of the bout and then it comes to the back of the boat and it's just going back and forth they think the boat's sinking thinking in that water coming up through the hole and I get up and I said about thinking about thinking in the guard said No. It's not sit down. Sit Down and they push the guard is to the back of the boat and when they're all on the back of the boat capsizes and into the river they go and of course it's freezing cold but because they were chained gathering you know because I'm chained to you when I go and I'm going to Bring you and you'll bring the next one because your chain to them and it's just from phone and all nineteen I went into the wherever I were people on shore that said that the most pitiful shot that ever went and this says when they're forced their head above the water and call for help and they said they heard him call for wives for her mother for God for everything and then add up very quiet one local paper wrote it was one of those those accidents that seemed unavoidable to the sudden panic which sees the convicts in the boat. The Saint Louis Post dispatch reported that the convicts Vicks were drowned by clasping each other like knots of serpents and swept down to the lower rapids below which they were found by twos and threes knees tightly clasped together in their death lock nineteen bodies were pulled from the Tuchus C._G.. River so they loud it a sled ad then people who saw them lay the dad end that's pretty much like loud gloating cord would pet Amal all on that sled and pulled it up to the top of the hill and I douglas three tranches and then they just get demand there. There was no ceremony nothing. The youngest guest was fifteen years old. The oldest was fifty. Two Gary says the nineteen bodies were dumped in unmarked graves and forgotten <music>. What bothers him is that it's likely that the men wouldn't have died if they hadn't been chained together? Why do they have the Shackleton Change Connor meanwhile the railroad says that's because they're dangerous man while those dangerous men were charged with misdemeanors everyone of them they were there because they committed crimes like they walked on the highway? After dark. You know are they were found. Gambling are nykanen behind the store or to other guys. Drinking was not a serious criminal in the whole crowd after the civil war so called black codes were pass across the south laws designed to control newly freed enslaved people these laws made it easy to rest black men and women men and charged them with felonies for misdemeanor crimes. They could serve five year prison terms for minor offenses like stealing a pig or chicken chicken worth a dollar vagrancy statutes made it a crime to be unemployed standing on the street became loitering and walking at night became breaking curfew that will call those workaholic black code and when a little research is done you find van that they're just reinventing slavery. It has a different name. It has the sanction of the government but it's actually an immoral unethical practice in eighteen seventy. The prison population in North Carolina was one hundred and twenty-one by eighteen ninety that number had grown to one thousand three hundred and to the state didn't have the resources to manage the incredible influx of prisoners one prison official asked the legislature to just let some of these men go but instead read the state put them to work on the railroad it was called convict leasing and had happened all over the south. The Thirteenth Amendment Abolished Slavery Slavery in eighteen sixty five but the amendment left an exception slavery shall not exist accept his punishment for crime instead of being sent to prison people convicted of crimes could be leased to businessmen plantation owners and corporations Professor Matthew Manzini Sensini writes about the history of convict leasing in his book one dies get another. He writes that more than ninety percent of the convicts were black and describes the least system as one of the harshest and most exploitation of Labour systems known in American history from eighteen seventy seven to eighteen ninety one more than half North Carolina's prisoner population was working on the railway. They sometimes committed suicide. They were so miserable I would work until they fainted and they knew what I could do if they just couldn't take it anymore. You just dropped your hammer and started started walking away and the guard which and there were Zaven story add on Orage true about two brothers who just looked looked at each other and says you ready Jamesy. I'm ready. Let's go and I dropped her hammerings and walked until they were shot. The railroad companies promise quote wrote very comfortable quarters meals and clothing but conditions were incredibly harsh. One local reporter After the western North Carolina Railroad Company went back to work new prisoners are brought in and construction of the tunnel was completed. Gary Carden says he grew up hearing the story as a sort of legend a ghost story about dangerous felons. That's the way a lot of people in Jackson County talk about it well. If you drive through much you go down to deals and I've got this tourist trap little town down here. They have a train and it's called smokey mountain train and of course it's Dettori strapped to and tourist get on it and ride. Hi drew the tunnel. Well I come through that tunnel and always somebody on that train. That says you are now coming through Cowie. Oh e- tunnel nineteen men died working on this don drown on the river down there and I brought them back up appear and buried them on top of the tunnel up here and that's their tears following through here that you see now as we go through. There's a lot of water falling tears of those dead man <music> so we'll be right back. Support for criminal comes from native native is a new kind of deodorant that is your ingredients and and no aluminum and collapsed up to sixteen hours native comes in a wide variety of sense for men and women plus they released new limited edition seasonal sense throughout the year. I really liked the cucumber mint. The offer free returns and exchanges in the U._S.. 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P. dot com slash criminal in nineteen sixty three the Asheville citizen times published an article called some believe cowie tunnel. There's occurs worse. The article goes on to say death accompanied. It's building trains have wrecked in it. cave-ins have plagued it from the beginning. There are many stories about trains inexplicably stalling in the couch tunnel stories about train derailments and of the tunnel caving in and trapping stopping trains People Jackson County say they've heard the sounds of pickaxes on stone clinking chains and splashing water. We learned about the tunnel from a listener. His name is Al Fisher he sent us an email saying he'd recently moved to the area from Georgia and realized realized he was living right up the mountain from a train tunnel that people said was haunted. We asked Al if we could come visit I. I said I pick him up. We met near restaurant called the forgers canteen and drove a few miles before he told me to pull over just off the road so we could start walking so you'll see the the rivers down off the side of the road here on the left and the river runs right right along the railroad tracks or the railroad tracks along the river and this is the river where the men drowned yes correct he'd never been to the tunnel tunnel himself but said he done some research and he was sure we would be able to find it hard to get to your boy here because I'm GonNa take my okay Sir. Let me put on my hat. You're really going in here. Yes yeah so if you if you aren't up for this we don't have no no no no please please please. I didn't know that I mean I guess I shouldn't have assumed that we would that it would be. I wasn't prepared to go hiking. We made our way down a steep ridge to the railroad tracks below. The brush was dense Tsk and it was hot. L. Seem prepared with a backpack. I wouldn't have been surprised if he brought a first aid kit an extra water all I had was. It's four extra batteries in my back pocket in case the recorder died. We're kind of coming around a curve here. This it detracts actually crossed the river right here and right on the other side of the river is the tunnel and now we're we're going to cross the river on the tracks yes and so then you can see the tunnel aw that's that's the mouth of the tunnel right here curve there. Don't don't break your ankle on this thing. I'm glad there's not a train coming. Can you imagine the Ron We'd have to do so. We're crossing the river on the train ties which safest thing but so on the other side of the bridge here. The tunnel starts okay so we've made it to the other side. There's an entrance to the tunnel if we were frightened people we might think this was a little scary but here we go uh-huh plowing ahead. It looks dark doesn't it. The tunnel looks barely big enough for train to pass through. That's pretty amazing that it was dug by hand here. We go into the tunnel. The minute you go inside the temperature drops. You can feel it the light from the opening scene with you for the first fifty feet or so and then it starts to get dark. Gosh Sir you hold that light. Wow It's getting dark mark very quickly in here but it's amazing to look at the Rock. You can see kind of wild that they've really chiseled this rock out pretty amazing and now we're kind of so we can still see the light behind us but that will go away so if a train were to come right now we just get along the side of the wall. I guess after a couple hundred feet the tunnel begins to curve and all the light disappears we we start off. L. Turned off the small flashlight he was carrying. It was pitch black in the sound of the dripping water came from all around. I asked him to turn the light back on the show. Make a spotlight on the rough ceiling of the tunnel above us. You can see all these small dents in the stone. I wondered if they were created by the man who had been forced to work here everyday. I've wondered if maybe the story is is more. It's the the amount of crying. Remind us what happened here. Reminding US just a reminder of of the past that was about me for a long time forgotten for a long time and there's the daylight again today. The Cowan Tunnel disaster lives on for people riding the tourist train train and for those who loved help go stories. They're folksongs but what happened but Gary Carden says that's not good enough. We Oh those nineteen men more than that. He wants to find other ways for people to remember what really happened. He's been researching the incident and with the help of various scholars he now has a list of the names and ages of the nineteen men who died. If I had my way you would bring those bodies he's out of there and you would re and tear them in a grave in Hillsboro and there would be a little museum there of the history of what happened into the nineteen men. It's unlikely that the bodies will be disinterred and given a proper burial in part because there's confusion and but exactly where they are there has been talk of putting a plaque near the tunnel but gary doesn't think anyone will hike out to the woods to look at black doc and having been in those woods. I have to agree. He wants something in town. Something the people of Jackson County will see and talk talk about the best memorials he says our conversations <music> <music> criminalist created by Lawrence Spore and me the media. Wilson is senior producer Susannah Roberson as assistant producer audio mix by rob buyers special. Thanks to Wilson Sayer Julien Alexandre makes original illustrations for each episode of criminal. You can see them at this is criminal dot com were on facebook in twitter at criminal show. The criminal is recorded in the studios of North Carolina Public Radio Debut U._N._c. were proud member of Radio topiary from Pyrex a collection of the best podcast around. I'm phoebe judge. This is criminal <music> <music> radio acts.

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Inside Supercars - ReScheduled

Inside Supercars

27:28 min | 6 months ago

Inside Supercars - ReScheduled

"Hi Jamie Kelly lay with and you're listening to inside cows from the rice treks across Australia. He is inside supercars excited because tidy with lock this week Craig. Ville had the opportunity and took to interviewed John. Casey direct direct sympathizers offer free taped with foxtel. He's back in the chair at a time when probably using all these skills anyway Cry Tokes to John. Casey about The twenty ego of is calendar year Obviously starting up at the Judah believe twenty seven and talked about the ramifications of phidias recovered nineteen academic age buyouts and Full Museum of all things considered as bottom so sit back and listen to Joan. Casey from civic is a strike. Will you full told us not to wait too long for the calendar win waste by a few weeks ago and now we know that June twenty seven twenty eight. We see the sued back on track at as well pack. How High John is put together a calendar? We've signed many variables and so many moving parts whereas right now we think we know what June twenty seven twenty eight rules will be towards how many people can have who can attend but that Kennel so change quite markedly either. Y between now sure yet. Look so Thanks very much for having me I think the I mean the level of complexity even without the The pandemic the level of complexity in terms of coming up with the calendar is a black quantum Normally takes you know by the time by the time you release a calendar you pretty much starting again on the On the following calendar at the tax that much on the together so We've pulled together this calendar. You know a matter of weeks We delight the complexity out of the layers. You know health and compliance requirements. We need to deliver again so it's very very complex. And as as you quite rightly out you know subject to Subject to changing You know depending on the cool so the pandemic and whether or not any issues arise so having said that we we've we've got In really good solid plans now the deal with a lot of different eventuality We're in coaster contact with All the relevant state and federal authorities and We could have confidence of being able to deliver this. Having relationship already with so many of the state and territory governments must might these conversations reasonably easy although they juggling so many other things as well as what a an organizational exit because might be wanting to talk about them. Did you have any sense? Look we we. We found them to to a person to the Really helpful and really really supportive. And that's been the thing right Coming up with the calendar possible You know with with with with no exceptions Iran and came to support. It's getting back home but in in in in the Gouden confront why talk No not having the having relationships in the connections you now that helps For sure you know how. How the challenge in these things sometimes finding the right person to talk to So there's there's not question having relationships as has been helpful at Tom Actual counting the hot graft In I coming up with varying fatal Branson protocols to to be able to rice and compliance did the restrictions at different states had on at the time you had to make the final decision influence the order that you had to you could put the of. Ain't seen somewhat Although I think We we've we've tried to Come up with Calendar which is which is go. Some inherent flexibility When I'm ranking route your many long-term sumptious about what will to change We just need to be ready in slate afoot to to be able to respond to changes As as as income whether a relaxation of guidelines or tightening up of guidelines now Sydney Motorsport Park of talked about a pack of view situation. A you hopeful that that something like that might be achievable. Look at where. Then we know grant Matthews of some Fbi out there is. Is You know. He's very supportive. some Some view you know the the tracks away for battle with With the crowd and and you know that was great with some see Muslim talking to Chico. Look right with some some up on me. The embankments on the garage We'd love to say it And if it's possible to do Then They will be able to us and and we'll do it. In why which is insights and coupon you have had to drop two rounds out of the championship and two straight races. The Gold Coast and also the Newcastle race. Both of those races were simulcast races. How do you manage the relationship with ten and also Then be up to provide them with what was promised under the contractual arrangements. I mean ten of great positives Greg. counts partners. And you know they know that some well let the should count is not immune to You know the impact of damage Like being really flexible. Learn unreasonable. And we're working with Schultz and ten on coming up with I And you said simulcast grounds to to. Brokaw through through channel ten. Whoa what company. A couple of weeks away from being to Announced. When do you hope that crowds will be invited back? And is it possible that you could allow to have maybe corporate partners and culprits coming back to the track before the general public because they are much more controlled number of people? Yeah look I think I mean the is. What do we hope since possible I think You know whether it's whether it's general general admission entries whether it's camping switch whether it's corporate baptist Where we're working through each of those each of those possibilities Krona venue by Some news you know name themselves More to Want more apart and talk or another Thought the reality. Is You know the majority of work that we've done tonight has been focused on. Line Danna Calva and ensuring that we could To live supercars. Rices Everything else now. We start to laugh until all that that minimum rice so because rights product so It will be very much I van you buy venue. dependence plants when we hugged crabs. Back will we we? We hugged have crowds back soon as possible It it's you know it's just a matter of when we can And doing so in a way which is cope. Line with social distancing Regulations and health and safety protocol a full. Maceo of sorry. A former chairman executive chairman at times of the organization said there was no sacred cows. But you have been very deliberate shaping baths on the same weekend. Yeah look that would be cool Well Festival you know I- I reinforce that That steinman on sacred cows but You know if we if we didn't have to That would be desirable. Team We you know the realities. The Bachelor News is central to how her hull championship and Calendar and you know we did what we tried to preserve the bat type In the end you know we didn't have to control ourselves too much to To accommodate that. Sorry it runs out. Well that regard you are in the risky positions that you're going to now have Ba'athist potentially in and our real fawn all send almost certainly with the date that the I have given for the grand final going to be an idol finals. That must be interesting dilemma to have to manage as well are look through the crack. The reality is that back constantly. You was always going to be crowded. with with with sporting content and as all kind of onstream. You know we we if we waited until later on And they'll spend they speak stews and and And guys then you know when we get them the says nature of the way that the things Somebody's Bay sixers coming out. You know we see those lost weeks. Maybe months And it wasn't necessarily advance we wouldn't necessarily be in a in a position Then we are. We are now we we. We took the decision that that's we put a spike in the ground and And this board. If I were spokesman college come in on on on the sign dies and you know we just have to. You just have to live with at this year You before we talk television and talk about what television looks like We'll say no one is upset about a grand final in Sydney. Sra funnel in. Beth asst yeah. I think I think It's it's proving to be Originally popular decision knocking Brad. Johns Her tokes about Bassin that context and you kind of have to Christmas was brought you start to value Christmas. Wait what we need to do is we need to make sure that. The second offense packaged in February sufficiently. Different from the one thousand So you make it interesting and and and you make in its own brought. That's that's challenge we've got you didn't consider knowing that you were going to be up against football all she didn't ever consider maybe doing a switcheroo and having the one thousand is the grandfather will facility because in February and and doing something different October. The company are huge fantasy. We can Everything Cry We. We looked at every Possibility not every possibility. We looked at hundreds of different scenarios and and at the end of the Thai. We felt that in the absence of all I we knew the back end of the was county. It was GONNA be congested in the absence of any better information We decided to preserve the traditional diet of Catholic And know the hit on Isis Focusing on TV now and and a few things that you hope can clear up. I normally understanding is a television deal is January to December thirty one January December. Thirty one you now have calende. That's extending past what most people would consider the INDATA the contract. How are you going to manage that? How does that get managed? If you can talking specific so generalities that would be good Because of this such an unusual circumstance shore look rallies folks and A Great Growth House partners and I'm not saying they're interested in commitments to the championship there. around pet happy to support the conclusion of the championship has has as we'd like down settling. Obviously the the calendar week we've developed in close consultation Which I'm as well so when when I saw the sorry sorry. The announcement came out Or on Sunday was fast from the first time. I've seen it another thing that people would be interested in baddies because over the last. Was it four years now. At least Mount Panorama in February has been associated with the twelve hour and on seven. Few people are asking. Will the championship started clips on channel tainted foxtel and finish on channel seven and foxtail by the end of the amazing year? We've been pretty consistent cry insane. You know where where negotiations about south renewal of our full scale and and we Deliberately avoided going into specifics And said that when you know when we have the deal We will We will that to you and we went be compared to the insurance. I imagine that the fact that the invested some time ago in having your own production company has been almost almost all say is important as the AFL buying The Docklands Stadium. You've had ability to bring out contain and ultimately it doesn't matter which way it's delivered you look up and carrying having your broke capability in house Is it's for a whole range of reasons From from making sure that some that put the broadcast quality is exactly where we want it to be Us flexibility on a number of different fronts. you know. I would say that would be. That would be something. We'd be very reluctant to give up weeping producing on saving now for twenty five years. So it's a it's a it's a great valuable asset and as I mentioned been able to bring in new products to Cape Civic Front and center. Yeah and I mean that's right I think that you know we discussed it In the last of the lots podcast. The the The production type nearly keeping an. It's it's allowed you to the series the last series in the why the we want to to do it Obviously with high working with talks on on you know for that and and top content that was an interest but yeah it just keeps us more is just more options and and You know so As we discussed last time getting out production capability sanitation from Could you seem some of the best? Live sport content in the world to producing reality programs. he's is a testament to the to the Expanding set of capabilities. Because I thought yeah gives us gives us a lot of options The mall develop quarterback ability the decision nail to reduce the footprint of people at the rounds particularly from the teams and I imagine from the mothership is her nash. Always lexical you how. How many of those changes do you see moving forward into the twenty twenty one championship? Do you think you're gonNA GONNA hold onto because I imagine that the financial impacts on what we've had up to now and and moving forward on gonNA become magically easier. They're not gonNA get away. Yeah so I think that spot or not come. We'll be looking into hold onto as many Opportunities besides money As we can going forward So you know so. As material impact on on the show at the end of the night we you know we started to put on a great show for for travel corresponds traffic. So What we can what we We will And Inevitably we will have to lie on. Ball costs Has TO BE STOPPED. Admitting fans back to the events that but that comes with A requirement to to have more people on the ground and obviously more cost I think as far as the Another painting very came to To to to Kink The the number of Home ground as low as I possibly can be. But I think you know the time as and Restrictions relaxed They'll inevitably being in more people And and you know different types of roles From both teams answer because stop to come back to back to the track. I guess this one's a little bit self serving am. I is a credited media-related to come to Sydney Motorsport Park to cover the event. Fortunately Cry. You you're GONNA do pack remotely But obviously getting the press-pack catacomb saw this as we possibly can value them is a is a Cardi forest. What had but that's that restriction on Equally LAWS TO Counts COMMUNICATION. Npr people as well so Kana Stiffen. I want at the. They are there because I know that that has in Phil particularly has been quarter rob with the NFL media side having seved additional access to things that the media partners in the general media don't have access to so I was interested in that response. Yeah look fairly consistent response across across sports in college and You know you just one of those things we just have to. We have to wait in. The short term depends Soon we can. We will have a little bit of a break. From Subic. Chasm looked at foxtail. What was that experience like book Kim of of what's in the numbers been fortunate enough to work for a number of big brands In my law and and I enjoyed My Time folks tell And the various Different Challenges But that role At row boat but equally I love SIPI Qasr. I Love Love Love. My Sport and I'm very very happy to be back and at the moment do you see. Some Revolutionary Full Matt's paps being rolled out to cater for the changing dynamic of Pete numbers and and to perhaps try a few things never waste a crisis. They say. Try a few things that you have have Spain's La- risk of sounding from avoiding the question. 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Momofuku Kawi Pre-Opening Diaries, Vol. 2 | The Dave Chang Show

The Dave Chang Show

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Momofuku Kawi Pre-Opening Diaries, Vol. 2 | The Dave Chang Show

"Yeah. Welcome to the day. Jane show part of the rim of podcast network, presented by major Vilma Mia. Today's episode of special pre-opening diaries, volume two with under par and the opening of Cali restaurant on the fifth floor of Hudson yards. Apologies for all the background noise. We recorded this during the construction a couple of weeks ago right before the birth of my son. So there's firearms orientational, there's all kinds of shit going on in the background. But we didn't really have any time. So we took my about like forty five minutes of Joe's time, and we're really lucky to get any of Joe's time to convince her to record again she's going through so much right now. And a lot of Joe struggles right now are around her identity and the Denny of food as a chef she's Korean, but I can tell you personally that there's many facets to it for starters kringle Zine is seen as this inferior thing to Japanese. Although it's obviously a lot cooler historic. Quickly, you know, Japan colonized Korea, and there's been strain relations and a now's not the time or place to talk about that relationship, but it's a complicated. One at that people's idea of Creon food around the world is also trapped in a bubble in a lot of different ways. Take Sydney, for example, the Korean food there is largely defined by one or two ways immigration. So the food is stuck in this time period where those immigrants arrived. So it's hard to change. It's hard to kill the very thing that you need to kill because you're trying to preserve if that made any sense. So sometimes the way forward is to kill the very thing you're trying to preserve and I think that's where Joe's at right now. And that's a very very difficult. Obstacle to get around. Another thing about Joe shoes. Not just Crean. She's crying American and all of this confusion. Plus the pressure of opening the restaurant leading a team for the first time the financial pressures, the scheduling, the PR shoots the. Photographs all of the stuff is all new it leads to a boiling point where she describes in this episode. That is I think a defining moment for her. It's one of the hardest things I think she's ever endured to this point. And it's been very difficult for me as someone that wants to help and protect to see her go through ultimately, though, it's also thrilling because you get to see Joel figure out in real time all of these problems and trying to prioritize the things she needs to figure out. It's also scary as hell anyway, I think you'll hear the second part of this podcast. I don't understand what I'm talking about. It was incredibly refreshing and fresh for us to go over to talk through what just happened not too long ago. This was literally ten eleven days ago, something that were still going through every day conversation similar to what we just talked about in this podcast. So I'm glad that we got it out of the way. I'm really. That Joe's learning to communicate this about who she is. Because it also not only adds to responsibilities. I do believe it's cathartic for her and for me and for entire team of Cowie. So I will stop talking and let you hear this conversation with Joe where we literally got what we could in. What was an insane day of getting the restaurant ready? So thank you Joe for being so brave talk about these things and here, she is. And you talking again too much volume to pre-opening diaries colored. Collar. Let's go back to the first seventy two hours of moving into this restaurant. You practice would JJ Josh keeping in touch with their team recipe testing, you guys cooked a lot getting work done. Looking really busy looking meal. What's the difference between real busy and in getting shit done? I think ESO much in your mind that you can't focus on one dish at a time. Just trying to do everything once and you don't get anything done. I think that's like looking busy and we're getting shit done. Is you plan out? Take one step at a time and get shit done one at a time knowing you're going to fail or not hoping is won't fail. But knowing you're totally cool. Yeah. Feelings actually good. I learned that this you have to fail to see. From my vantage point as busy and sort of not even involve that much. You guys were doing stuff and making dishes to not to fail. I think that's the mindset that it's very obvious or natural for them to be like, oh, of course. I love my food to be good and be successful. Make you don't wanna fail. But that I don't know that we talk a lot now with our managers that just start just put it out. Don't don't calculate it. Just put it out. And then we'll discuss later. So that's why I think after that a lot of dishes are coming on now. Because it wasn't. There was like a real writer's block almost right, right? And I think without speaking out at turn or too much a lot of it was you being just fucking overwhelm. What are you being overwhelmed with everything? Cooking menu dealing with managers. Emails Sturge ruling. Right ordering I want this ingredient. But I can't get it because they don't want to deliver it. I wanna use creating greedy. But I can't source it like all the stuff and you've been actively sourcing gradients for how many months? Let's say I started like four months four months, and you've been trying to make your ingredients now to get ahead. So like building a surplus of the stuff that you can make. You know, it's it's been a lot. Still having a private life. And then gearing up for something that you're scared of you never been a chef never have you been executive chef before, of course, not you've been offered opportunity to be chef or sous-chef somewhere turned it down. And you've always let the restaurant that offered you in right? Right. I think for the restaurant they shouldn't have someone they can grow. So I left that was time for me to go. Right. And I know you, and I was like, you know, we've talked about this in the past like, oh, Joe can't leave something if she knows how to do it. So we're going to give her something that she's never going to know the more you work at this the less, you're feeling confident that you're no anything. Am I that feeling of being overwhelmed really Pete that what time was after I taste thing with you here in this? And when we moved them. Yeah. And in my head that the menu is pretty good. But realizing that there was no there's no love to the menu that we wanted to do and just looking at the menu. It was meant it was created to impress someone. It wasn't for Cali and realizing that we weren't on safe spot. We're actually found hill. What do you mean? I think just my mindset that for me doing this menu. As I have to put shit up on the menu. Like, it wasn't personalized wasn't you? It wasn't my menu. It was more. Like what David like what foodies might leg? It was menu for some. It wasn't many for me. It's a really hard thing to see. Right. 'cause you're like, what do you mean? I've been doing this for months a year. How the fuck have. I come to the realization that I'm not doing what I wanna do when she saying the dish that I wanna do yet. You're still saying it's not who I am. Can you explain that? I think the biggest part was you know, after the first tasting with you, even bad. So how real bad used at me down privately to talk to me. And you said your food tastes like fear. And that really got me thinking. Whatever been cooking were how have I been cooking? Like am. I really cookie. And use it when you said cook like you're gonna cook for your grandma just cook for your family like cook with love. Wow. That how can I forget that? Like, the most important thing about cooking that clicked and the next day. We what happened that day later because it's not like eleven third. You've been cooking all day moving shit around. Not only it's just crazy like literally like moving shit, like unpacking stuff sorting everything out of new people coming in. It's madness. The worst possible scenario is a shit. I gotta tasting right now in the kitchen that we're just breaking not optimal conditions. So after that conversation. I was really embarrassed as a cook. Losing that most important thing about cooking is cooking with love and care. And losing that it really broke me. So I feel so bad. I'm glad that we had that conversation. So after the conversation event to the kitchen and about midnight and then restart cooking. You're like just cook. Whatever you wanna cook. So I mean, stinky, soybeans, Stu wad you make that says the comfort food you grew up eating it. But I mean, like why that was the first thing you like all right? I got a cook. Something that I want to not only eat I want to cook for other people, maybe my own family. Why did you choose? That was like a Proust's like thing, you know, Madelene thing. It's my favorite dish. That my mom makes me. And if people ask me, what do I wanna eat if I die? I was at my mom's. So he being stew, which is always better one day later, always better next day, and you made the yeah. And I made a pork belly that got sabotage. Because he burned it. It was delicious. And then I come back. It's my fault. And I made a Korean cabbage soup. Very tumble. Very humble. A couple of chefs started making stuff everyone cook. Which is cooking cooking. Not our Indy. Cooking like real home cooking. What's the difference? Wait, you guys are spending. All this time trying to make cool food. And now the goal is just make something delicious comfortable, and everyone starts doing. What happened? Thank when I give them projects to work on day. Just think it as oh like how I get it from you. There will see the same thing. And we had the same conversation that I had we feel the my managers. I sat down. Guys. Dave told me my food is fear. Doesn't least thing I wanna hear as cook. So let's really like cook with love like that's really cook with our heart like don't take this as a project, but like own it and then next day nine I remember after people were laughing. Yeah. I was like, wow. This is a healthy kitchen for the record. For me is one laughter. And I have had kitchens that I've won that have been all fear, and all my ego and new yelling like a lunatic. And I'm yelling because I'm insecure, and I suck basically that's what I've learned. And there's no reason, but I've always wanted to get better. And the funny thing is all the time in my life. When I thought the kitchen is at the best in the kitchens that I've long admired. It's very serious, but there's fucking so much common in all of a sudden in that night now like one in the morning, people are laughing and. And talking and there's like excitement that I think it was a first time. And everyone's like, you know, I'm ready to cook some food tomorrow where it wasn't that. Okay. Like how many projects that I have to do? It was a moment where everyone's started to get excited. What you think when this is going on what's going through your head because it's a lot. This is only like four days ago, very emotional. Like, it still gets me emotional why we both cry just for the record. We both cried it touches your bottom of your heart. Like, it's genuine. Right. It's crazy. It's like fuck. This is why for all the stupidity. This job sucks. But these are the moments like this is the best nothing beats that moment. When you're like, I can feed you guys, and you guys love this. And I love what you're making me. Let's try to give this to everyone else. And let's get serious to make sure we can do that. I saw that. I was like fuck. Yeah. Maybe tomorrow is gonna be awesome and Cup of people made some horrible things. Really, really bad. Still vanity Philly. Still put it was like, okay, we can use this as a lesson to learn. Why glaze that right? Why did you add more fat to that? Why do you share vinegar wide you put salon show in this? And I the one thing I feel like I've learned that. I will tell you maybe someone's listening when you're cooking and fear, and you have no confidence. The easiest thing to do is to cover it up with more ingredients. I agree at thing is hard to make it simple is better for your tire life. But the so there's we're correlation. Right. It's not just about the confidence. Get older and cooking with less, the Japanese and the talian obviously are focused on minimalism and stuff like that. And you know, I think about Cesar Ramirez Brooklyn, his food is like fucking one ingredient, very minimum its more beautiful and more delicious to me than ever before. And it's not about that trajectory. But I look at the cooks. Here that are scared and they don't wanna fail and they always have the shit. That's like so complicated. It's not about them. Not know they know how to cook. But it's over compensating. I think that goes with me to before Lind's, they are I tasted. Or after the tasting. Cooking with genuinely you know, your food is going to be good. And I think that started to build my confidence. I mean, there's definitely a fire inside. But. I think I can still have fire and be insecure. That's the best thing. I've heard all day. So this is about seven days ago. Two days in a moving third day with the tasting which was from my perspective. One of the worst days I've ever experienced, and it wasn't just cooking for you. There were actually people coming to eat dinner. And that really upset me that there was some dishes that it will. So by couldn't serve it. So I'm sure have them. That's not full. I order pizza. I note that broke me really bad. And I did it for two things one not to be a jerk. But to prove the point that like, even though it's just a tasting and their guests feet. As about it you go. Yeah. It is. But it isn't. But we can't lose sight of. I just trying to make something simple and delicious. And there was a couple of dishes that I could not believe where instructor. The salmon potato from. I don't even know what was happening. And I'm the barest. I was like I lost my temper I was so mad, and I was like God, dammit, I hate it. I try with all my heart not to fucking freak out. But it broke me when I saw that dish broke. I mean couldn't believe in. And then I realized no one's trying to make this food ban. It just showed to me I have to figure out how to communicate better. And I had to I walked away. I laughed and I was so upset. The most upset at me. Just a, you know, a so fucking myself because I just wanted to make sure I was there to not let that happen. And then coming back and walking back to the kitchen 'cause I left thirty minutes like this needed to happen. This needed have needed to happen. We all needed to experience it, and I'm glad it happened. And yeah, we still talk about it. A lot of the house back off the house. We have meetings every day. And remember like our first tasting only five. But we'd bring it a lot. There was such an important lesson for all of us. And now a quick break for word from our sponsors. Today's day Chang show is brought to you by brilliant earth. Brilliant earth is the global leader in ethically source fine, jewelry, create your own customer engagement ring right on their website by picking from a variety of ethically sourced, diamonds gemstones. Metal tides and setting brilliant earth. 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You'll receive a complimentary pair of diamond studs with the purchase of an engagement ring to see terms from this special offer and to shop all brilliant are selections. Just go to brilliant earth dot com slash Chang. That's brilliant, earned dot com slash Chang. And now back to the show. I also order the pizza for one other thing. What happened the USO focusing on getting armies plus ready like, you know, what no family meal today. So no one eight so no one everyone's tired. Everyone was hungry. Dead in like there was no love. It was safer failure there that day. And we fail. And that was the only thing I really was upset about alternately. Yeah. You made the call like fuck it. We're in the weeds family cook for people. How do we lose track of time? Working. Busy busy as in looking busy. And you know, me, and it's not a novel thing, it's not just me. That believes I know you everyone believes it. What's the most important thing? We're cook all day. Now why? You have to feed ourselves. I see family meal as most important thing. And I tell all the cooks that take your time to make family meal. Like, you're cooking for like someone you care about an issues while you cook. So do you think there's any been great chef maybe there has that made shitty? Fam-? Now, would you say that all the people you admire that are really really good cared so much about oh crash coming in way early. And I learned that early on. I was like is this person here at like nine AM when they don't have to talk to 'cause they're making like puff pastry. So the gaming chicken pot pie. And I'm like what the fuck. I don't understand. Why why why learn what that man that was everything to me? I don't even know these people, but I want them to eat. Well, yeah. I mean, you could tell like if the cook is good or bad. How they make family meal. Even if they have shitty. Nice gets right to me. Now, fuck all the other tests fucked resume, you can literally tell everything by the care and the feedback you get from your coworkers that you work sixty hours a day saying, oh my gosh. Joe like that chicken salad was amazing. Makes you feel so good that as a cook. So that's why I brought the pizza. It was the quivalent of you guys. Feeding someone's head in ego and not someone that's how it was like our menu. That's how it was their menu. That's why we skip family meal. Not even made sense everything everything made sense on paper. And I think this is like a cultural thing where I just think about a lot. You can't do everything because it's efficient, and it makes sense on fucking Baber nothing fucking works. When you take that. What were some paper put it in real life the menu that you wrote and how you are working for the past year was all great on. Paper didn't translate and and. Look good on paper Erade. Well, but I had no connection to it. Cooking by numbers. Yeah. That's why I struggle. And I think that's why it didn't get anything done. I worked a lot. I made dishes. But there was no outcome. It was just like. A hamster cycle. I mean, of course, I was really really upset. Not because of what happened because of I put so much effort in my time. And I you know, I thought I cared and spending so many months working and seeing the reality on first day of mock service where. It was just chaos. Hurts so bad, right? Was the worst worst feeling you've ever experience? Worse than being in the weeds per se. I don't think it can't compare any kind of shitty. Like busy service to the feeling that experience 'cause it really gets you like. It gets you to your heart right there. A corporate high fight it. Yeah. I've. Me. And then we made food when you guys came back in the next day. And what have just by getting in the virus different? Hopefully, equates to them as much as equipped to me. And just I don't know like simple as that cliche. As it sounds like, hey, guys, like, that's really cook. Like, we're gonna cook for parents, like let's really coke for like that was the funniest thing that on the night before still going, you know, what we keep on going this fucking saying that one night. But man, I think about it that wasn't one night that wasn't one night at all. That was one year. It really was it was one year for that moment. And that's why it was so powerful because fuck man, but it's not I don't look at it as bad, which is why I actually knew that wasn't going to be bad. If we could see the other side, but you have to take the chance maybe you don't see it any day Chou says this all the time everything you want is on the other side of fear. But that's a fucking hard thing to overcome. And I just knew because of you you would fucking find a way to see it. And I was like I told you it's like you're gonna break. But if you're the kind of person that I know you are you're going to break, and you're going to put the pieces together, and it's gonna come back stronger. Try it again, it's going to break again. And you're gonna do it over and over it only is broken. If your future's to put it back together. And then we make the food make the cabbage soup. And I was telling you gotta make it like your grandmom just when you make food. That's delicious that's kings or dang John again that stinky soybean sue you don't worry about. My is a cool. You're worried about am. I gonna make my mom my family. My dad have I make this cabbage soup. You make the what is Reggie say. Now, you said he had a soup. Oh, it tastes like my grandma's food, and like, well, so happy we didn't tell them to say that. So we asked him to say out loud to everyone. Reggie what did you just say and taste like my grandma's food. He's like I want to eat this every day in the thing was is we didn't make his soup better. Grandma makes they make Korean food. She's Taiwanese we made a soup that's very different. But he said it makes him feel we could've made rice crispy treats. But if we figured out a way what we want is for him to feel like this tastes like something. My grandmother or a soup, and I was like fuck me, man. Couldn't believe. Yeah. Would the your head when he said that because was a coli ship. Same thing. What have we been missing? Like, why are we like getting this now? And then we went back today. And then you guys started cooking. And then cook it more and more. Yeah. Yeah. Then what happened? The second tasting. I think it was like second or third. I talked to the first to taste is back. Our talk was that after I one and the second one still terrible. There was another talk. The second talk was the big one thousand eight one we're combining today. She's really one taste was bad. Second one. Was you guys do the same thing? I I voted blocked it out. You guys did the same menu. Why? Because we saw how shitty was so we wanted to make it better. We wanted to just continue. You know what? This wasn't good. So let's make it better tomorrow. And maybe we'll have better service because our food is little better third day. I got in you guys are already got in early. And I see and I could just like it was like smelled it. That their day. What was changed? We had a whole meeting on Tuesday night, front hours and Becker the house. I got home, right? Planned out war. We're going to do treaty like a real service. And I think just talking honestly to each other figuring out, what's in my mind, and what's on their mind, just being brutally honest and see what we can improve. And then we create a menu that can it was our first time making it. But we knew that is a fucking good dish. So everyone came in creating like two to three dishes each and it was it was really successful nine. Food was good. Everything was good. It was smooth. Everyone's happy and Sarah. It was actually Sarah that eight that nine she came back to me. And she said, you know, Joe like, I taste your love. And we didn't tell her to say that. No, that's crazy. She made me cry again. So. Yeah. Really? Really? We're so lucky to have all these. I don't know. She said that. And then next day you start putting some dishes on. I can see the confidence. I can be like, yeah, I can fucking do this. Fuck you now. It's like the fuck you day. Wanna fuck you motherfucker? I got this step off don't be my fucking kitchen. And now, your your focus and purview is different. You're not making him. I could see you're like, hey, I want you to this this. But if this happens this happens this happens expect that I was like what the fuck Joe all of a sudden, boom, you're the fucking chef you wanna be and getting there. But you're getting there before it was like, you're trying to do everything yourself, your cooking, everything you're not explaining anything. You're like class I had confidence. That's why I had to do my own. I couldn't explain it better or have enough confidence. Be like this is what I want. This is how it should be done. But I think feedback from Sarah really helped me to cook differently. And not do everything yourself. You're not you're doing this right now the whole fucking teams and they're doing what they need to do. And the hardest part is letting go so you can teach. I mean, even now I still have to tell myself like let go or I have to remind myself or I'm gonna still try to do it. So I have to remind myself that let them do it and figure it out what you have to let them do it. I think knowing that your know what they're gonna do. That's the hardest part and what they're gonna do fuck up. But you gotta let him do it. Our muck second muck service, no meetings. Why there's no organization. Yeah. It was total shit show. And after that if one in the morning one just myself, Chris D, C N, Reggie his executive sous chef and we have one pre service, and we have one recap and nine it's all these little things. Like all these new cooks are coming in. It's almost like they have the past driver's test. These are the standards that we want you from writing on tape to wrapping things in plastic. This is how we sweep this is how we mom. These are the things that we have to get better and do, but you can it's not there. We're gonna make mistakes will falter, but I can see it happening in one fucking week. That's what I I actually love this part of the job. But just seventy two hours ago. I was like what am I doing? This is so fucking stupid. Now. I'm like, oh my God. Like last. I said oh my God. I cannot support my wife when she gives birth. I feel okay, I can go. It's like a die. Till last week. I really struggle. I hate in my life. We talked about it last time. I wish I got hit by a bus. I dunno. I dunno. How full thing can just change in one day. I don't know how. But something changed something cooked merger. Switch right. And oh, I thing. I kind of get it now. And it was actually like excited to go to work next day. I'm excited to try this dish. Yeah. I just happened. Just like that one night amazing. And you know, it's not it's not one night, we had to be honest about and we can't look back at what's happened in the past and be like remorseful or regretful because that one night doesn't happen. That's like overnight success. That's bullshit. That's like saying this shudo's Sisa pursuit. Oh, that's been age fucking for years. That's delicious. And you just Leist it. No. That's bullshit. No. I mean, there's over many Munson days Munton days that feel talk to that point where I need it that six months of struggle to be like, oh my gosh. That's the fucking magic man, and what are editing out when we first started this process editing out the suffering the pain, all you wanted was the joy. Of course, we want to jump straight to fucking go. Yeah. And that's what sucks, but that's also weirdly, what's byu. Beautiful, you know. And I I got him as weird tangent. Trying to explain to you this is like fucking the birth of tragedy by Nietzsche. This is the Appalachian versus the dining one day. We'll fucking talk to someone that can talk about this not me. But I was like man to truly know why we do what we do. We can't just fucking have the good. It's not necessarily bad. But I really believe Joe that all that suffering and the trials that you've gone through. That was necessary for you to be in that moment to have that light. Come on be like, yeah, I got this now because I didn't see it before. But the only way I was going to see it as by going through all that shit. Of course, if I didn't have that six months of experience, there will be no like Allman who've been that. Oh, so we gotta go because there's a lot of people and you got to be a chef. All right, Joe catch up with you again, maybe a month or two. Well, that was our conversation with Joan we had a ended because we had to deal with so many issues that day we're going to continue these conversations with Joe park. Really am thankful that she's been brave enough to talk about a lot of these things. It is not easy. And I am so rightful that she was able to like sort of bare her soul in a bit about all of her fears about being a chef for the first time and being as transparent as possible not easy to do. And I think it's a testament to her character of never giving up. She's one of the toughest individuals. I know with being incredibly talented and gifted at cooking. She's finding her voice one of the things that we didn't talk about. But I wanted to talk about because it's something that she's learning is something I joke about quite a bit as the holy trinity in a kitchen what I believe is a sort of fun. A mental thing too. I think managing a kitchen or having these roles I might have spoken about it before or not. But it's something I'm continuing to to sort of impress upon Joe in and it's obviously a derivative of the Christian idea of the sun, the father and the Holy Spirit. I know this fucking sounds weird. But you're listening to my podcast, and I'm fucking weird out. So I believe that idea of three different entities that are necessary for something is something. I've always applied to cooking in a kitchen setting you need someone that's going to be the good cop. Someone that's going to ensure that everyone's feeling okay? That they're in a good place, mentally that is reinforcing positive behavior. You also need sort of a bad cop and not bad as in the meaning, but bad is in correcting someone that's constantly letting people know that they need to be there. Harsh critic that they're not following the rules. Well that. Technique is may be sloppy that things need to improve. Lastly, you need someone that is going to like joke. Walk on water, you need someone that's gonna make miracles happen. And that's someone that just gonna make food delicious. Right. You need these three roles you need these three roles that sometimes can be one person in a small kitchen. Sometimes that's held by like fifteen people. Right. But you need these three roles filled in a kitchen, you need a good cop bad cop and the person that can make miracles happen with food and you need to make sure that's delegated. And I think Joe trying to find who that is in Joe by nature is not someone that's so loud. And and loquacious in someone that's going to talk incessantly like myself. She lets her actions before herself she's learned that that process of who's going to be the good combat cop and miracle maker is going to take time. And we'll see what happens, but you know. If you disagree with that statement, I love to hear that your vision, and your ideas on your questions to ask Dave at major Domo media dot com. But you need to have that balance of the good the bad and the person that believes that things can happen. The person that the line cook. That is why am I spending twelve hours a day doing dummies applause? They need to understand they need to believe in something that is greater than themselves that the dishes that are making our transcendent can be so delicious that that's why all the hard work doing makes sense. And and like Joe's in that process of figuring out what what kind of quote unquote, miracle she can make. So I think by the time this airs this is going to be opening day Cowie, and we'll get back to sort of regular programming. But we've been on this good run with Jerry's podcast with Jessica's, cloud counts lawless. And I think that to to a certain degree all of our podcasts have. I haven't compass a lot of the themes that we've talked about in these past two of the pre-opening dyers with unusual park, and this was happening real time. And we wanted to get this out there because I think it's interesting to know a little bit more about Anjar that you might not hear about we might not know in a article, she's a real person she's really trying to put everything out there. And I couldn't be prouder of herself and the whole team we chose a windowless space. We intentionally chose one of the worst locations in a great building that we're in right now. Right. Because we want to have the hardest route to success. So we joke that we have we want to be the best restaurant despite its location, right? Like, we did the same thing in Australia when we chose the worst part of the casino, you know, they just redid this fabulous casino. And we chose the place that has the worst foot traffic to open up sale. When we did major Domo in Los Angeles. We chose one of the hardest locations even though it's a good location. It's a great location. It's near the highways, and it's essential located to a lot of different things. But it's not something that is so easy to get to anything that we have to work harder to deliver that customer experience, and and in this new massive complex that has all the bells and whistles you'd ever want. We chose location that while it's a great location, which is the one that doesn't have the the fancy bells and whistles awesome views that a lot of our appears do in this building chose a place that has no windows because we want to like work out of this this location. We want to set the tone and over deliver right that we can still have the best experience without having a beautiful view. I think the restaurants awesome. I think the staff is gelling it's going to take time. But we're gonna figure out a way to make it work and. I'm excited. I'm gonna shut the fuck up. I I got I got so many other things to do. Thanks for listening guys and mostly big shout out to undo park, her family and entire team at Cowley entire organization mobile food that supported her you might have heard a lot of names. Hopefully, we'll get them on this podcast one day to talk about this because it really takes a small village to get this operation running and we've done a lot this year. And hopefully, we'll be able to excel at high level. And if we don't or gonna find a way to make it work and big thanks to the whole team of Hudson yards for giving us this opportunity. And let's see what happens. God bless give us five stars on. 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Briarpatch Pre-Opening Diaries, With Andy Greenwald | The Dave Chang Show

The Dave Chang Show

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Briarpatch Pre-Opening Diaries, With Andy Greenwald | The Dave Chang Show

"Today's episode of Dave Chang Show is brought to you by state farm state farm agent. Snow that in life. Anything can happen. You might buy your dream car on impulse or come home to broken in apartment. Maybe say Yes to proposal from your significant other and start a family or find yourself in a fender bender when you least expect it whatever happens when it comes to home home and auto insurance state farm agents are there to help and with over nineteen thousand agents neighborhoods across the US. There could be one just around the corner so contact agent today because because no matter what neighborhood you're from whatever stage of life you're in checkout state farm dot com today to find an agent in your neighbor state farm. Talk to an agent today Welcome to the Dave Chappelle show part of the ring. podcast Guy Workers in by Major Domo media. Thank you to Yo La Tango as always for letting issues their music in the introduction. A few weeks ago I put out a call for anyone in the creative arts. WHO's about to finish a project? Object be at a book restaurant film. TV piece of art. You name it to come on this podcast and do their own version of pre-opening pre-opening diaries about the creative process the trials and tribulations their fears and anxieties the joys highs lows you name it and something that I'm very fascinated later about something I want to learn more about how other people view it and I was very happy. We've been getting a good influx of requests from people people that have finished something about to finish something and we've been banking a lot of these. So that's what I wanted. Twenty twenty more of on this podcast. The Day Chang show a little bit more about the creative process of people that Meyer and one of those people I admire quite a bit. Is Andy Greenwald. You might know him as the host of the watch on the ringer podcast network work. You also might know him because he's written a tremendous amount of content as a critic both music film and TV in a lot of publications Sion's and he's just someone that has great takes on culture and I very much enjoyed the watch with Chris Ryan as well. It's like listening to two good friends just hash out things in culture and it's a fun fun. Listen highly encourage you to check it out but again. One of my favorite things about Andy. She's transitioned from being critic to a maker and one of the things. I'm trying to get better at as an interview or is is knowing how to figure out how to get people to open up more while being a better listener. This is all very new to me. Still as I get better at this. Get the reps in and thankfully andy was a willing participant in this and and this is about his release of Briar Patch. It's a TV show that's GONNA be on the USA network. That's GONNA come out the first week of February. I believe February sixth six and this is a guy that used to criticize. TV shows here. He is making one and and I think that's incredibly rare thing something. I wanted to dive deeper deeper in and it gets a little doing interview where we start talking about how beneficial it could be to do. A pre-opening diaries about putting yourself out there as as a creative person with all of your flaws. You're just totally naked. When you put something out there it's a terrifying feeling and I think that people need to hear the creative process process and the struggle of we're Andy himself was going through which we cover in this podcast and I wanted to be able to get the artists this case Andy you know before other critics get the judge that work or the the public at large to judge before they judge it to hear what went into the making and we dive deeper into that? I won't talk too much about that but I think there's a nuance conversation about that. And it's not about saving someone from having their work criticize but it's just a reminder that there are people behind the work and some people pour more into it than others and when it's a personal personal journey as it is for Andy as it is for the other people that will be on this podcast. pre-opening diaries guest. I just think that maybe the person behind it had something in mind that the audience might not have realized but they appreciate it more. If they knew and I don't know if I was clear in articulating that I just feel like it's another opportunity before the Maelstrom starts with the actual press tour and you'll lose sight of what went through your head and making this whole thing in this case Briar Patch the TV maybe show and it's a fascinating conversation in my opinion to talk to someone that's going from critic to maker anyway it's much more you're eliminating to hear any speak. I will shut the fuck up. Here is our pre-opening diaries of Briar Patch on the USA network. With Andy Green. Well this is a work in progress and a a couple of weeks ago on the PODCAST. We sort of put a Abe for any creative work. That's almost down about to be released. Seventy percent plus in terms of its completion. And I got a message from you saying Hey I'd love to talk about brier. Patch may not have sent it in traffic while listening to you so oh I want to release this this week. The show airs February set. Yes Thursday February say and again this sort of falls perfectly into the scope. We we WANNA do this like a couple of weeks before something heirs to give an audience ready to get prime than maybe some potential critics with something. We'll talk about a little bit. Sure her because I feel like no one really gets to dive deep into almost finish process when I was listening to. You say this. I was both like I was excited excited. Because I thought here's my in Also is the craziest time of my life. And like I was going to warn you guys when I came coming in hot and weird because perfect we are not done. You know. We're still in post. I was on the stage for a long time yesterday. episode locked fully blocked It's coming out and I have successfully which I'm still shocked about for like two years. Now somehow been able to lie to myself that this was never going to be on television and Something about this New Year's holiday. The last roadblock was removed and now it's just open road towards terrifying unknown and Now you have in front of a microphone and it is. It's sort of. Are you in the process right now. It's almost like the seven steps of grieving I think. Are you in the process where you have to start to tell everyone. This is fucking crazy. I don't know what's happening I try to but it's also like people everything's fine so I have this thing. I don't know if you have this too but it's a very big head heart had body thing where like my head is like things are going very well. I'm extremely fortunate and proud of the work we did. I worked great people. The people who need to be happy the network. Whatever are happy? Everything's everything's fine and so then those people who know everything's fine are like. Are you excited as a dream. Come true and you have to like adopt his richest grain of like yes in. This is great. I love this and you hope that at some point the white knuckles will give way to actual Enjoyment have you. Are you ready for this to to be out in the world God now now because I don't I literally known can tell me I have no idea where this is going to feel like. Maybe you can tell me because and we will open things you know and it need there. There have been so many little deaths along the way in terms of what I thought. Creativity had to be and I'm really into it. So like the pilot scripts wrote in this blur in three weeks three years ago now and it was mine and it I was proud of it. I showed it to people. Did the job it had to do. It opened up doors. People liked it and then when when we did the pilot and I got a director and production designer and actors you have to unlock it. You have to let them in and then they make it something else and then you get into post and you look at everything you thought you did and you're like Ono and you die and you build it again so this like giving up process and letting it be. Someone else's is part of it but it's on buses now dude. I'm I'm having trouble having trouble with it. You are qualified therapists right then. I've had a lot of therapy about this actually We just conference call or therapy. Yes we should. I can't I can't imagine that one difference with opening restaurants that I've learned from I'm doing even the TV shows is in one of the things. I've always complained about restaurants is that it's being judged on something that is constantly going to evolve audits breathing entity Until the restaurant maybe one day closes but for TV show or book or music album mm-hmm it's done and can't change. Yeah well unless you're George Lucas right and make it worse. Yeah make it can make it worse. That's the dream guys And that to me is so terrifying and I have like. We've we've finished the edits for Ugly delicious she's into for a while and I've just ignored it. You know it's like oh I'm thinking in my mind maybe that's getting better like a bottle of wine and I'm GONNA look back in like another month and maybe it gets better. It's possible your perspective will certainly change when people talk to you about like when they viewed it and they've washed it so for and they're very complementary liars. You know I I I think I think I can hear it. I mean I think I think a lot of this goes to something that that I know. You speak about a lot to think about a lot which is process versus results and I think that I grew up Very results minded like achievement minded or like an end focused on that as one of the reasons to do something and for whatever reason. I'm extremely grateful for this the minute I wrote the script which was just like for nobody. The the clouds parted was the most fun I've ever had writing anything. This has somehow been able to stay in the world of process and it's been helped by the fact that it's been like three years you know. Stop Start and then a lot of do but I've enjoyed the process. You know I really I I WANNA say trust the process but I'm not happy with the sixers right now. So we're not gonNA do that I've enjoyed every step of it. You know and the people I've gotten to work with along the way and I imagine like your your world to the collaborations and the friendships. You make our become not part of it so deeply no in my bones that was going to go on. TV for ten weeks beginning February six is just a tiny piece of it. You know so. I'm comfortable with that. And then the flip side of that is also because I think I worked with so many brilliant people I hear the comments for them in their earned and and I'm proud of the healthy healthy like like receiving that information is the most healthy way I've ever heard it but this is up here in the head. The body is freaking out out man. Let's back up a little bit. Sure because I want to phrase this question then like dig deeper into it. Are you at a point right now. I know whether your head or body feel differently. Do you feel like you know Vince. Lombardi quote like even in defeat. Like if you leave everything on the field shirt August. Is this the best effort you could give you a million percent yes. There's a word that I've been trying to learn compassion especially for oneself. And so you know I'm very upfront about the fact that I've never done any of this before. Every single step of this for me was the first time which was incredible. Oh unfortunate and sometimes even fun but there were definitely days or weeks rose like could one thing not be a learning experience. Could there be Thursday where I'm like. Well I've done Thursdays before there wasn't but so really the worst feelings especially since we wrap and we wrapped at the end of September and then in post and thinking thinking about stuff the worst feeling has been. I should've known you know I should have known that changing this one scene is like pulling a thread and the whole thing will collapse or should have known not not to trust that. This would be done when I wasn't paying attention to it or whatever but I couldn't no you know and I think the the tunnel vision that had at times was definitely self-protective and yeah I think a healthier person like me like maybe it goes Vince. Lombardi would be like what a gift to learn these things and then try it again But that backwards recrimination nation is the. That's the killer and you don't get mad at yourself when you see so mad. I get so mad and I don't. I don't do anything you can do that. Yeah yeah well you can do magic and post. You can manufacture scenes out of times. They accidentally left the camera running. You know you can create new lines you can tweak you can do so much with sounded music which is itself so cool and so fun so yeah you can get it there. But I but I do think other people have said this but maybe because you keep insisting mostly cooks listen into this but I don't think that's true. People in the industry have told me this and I totally agree that there are three stages where you build and burned down you write it and then when you and then you close the door on that and you make something and then you see it in post and close the door on that and you build it against you have to. It's very emotional and post because you have to like this is the analogy. I used on on on the watch but my growing up had cats and When a cat would cough up a hairball my father's old school cat discipline would be you? You would pick up the cat and push. Its face into the hairball that had sped up. Like look at what you've done. That's what editing is like. You're having your head pushed into your creative hairball and and you just have to learn to live with it so you can do it but I think this sort of the the more ZAN light be compassionate. You did do your best and then the people next to you. Hopefully this is fine because they can't see what you they can't see the phantom limbs that you see and feel. I wonder if that's the dish you wanted to be. One extra element of texture or flavor. You never got it there and someone's like this is delicious. What are you talking about but you taste the absence right like you want it to be? You imagined it differently. I only can see that on dishes that I know don't work and you know your bones. Yeah on dishes at work. I can tolerate rates the imperfection because over time it will get better or the cook. That's making it three months later. I know it but when it's a mistake that is unquestionably mine. Yeah that's very hard and it's ego that prevented me from doing. It wasn't even doing it the first time it was simply hubris humorous. That prevented me from making the right decision. I beat the shit out of myself. Oh totally right and you can't you can't let go. I mean what about so. There's something that just happened to me and I want to put this on you and wonder if this happened to you. If it happens to you a lot how you deal with it. There's there's a there was a scene. I'M NOT GONNA say which episode it was but the mental ought to me. I had high hopes for it. We didn't get combination of factors. Not Even GonNa think appoint all the fingers everywhere but ultimately point me. I really wanted to get it. And so we spent all this time edit like doing surgery on the patient you know. We're GONNA save the patient. We're GONNA save the patient we're going at eighty are lines or we're GONNA refocus reframed and music music's it's going to help. What about that great song? And then I showed the scene to Sam 's mail. WHO's you know by executive producer and the one who sort of helped me accomplish this and he and I showed showed it to him and I turned and he looked at me and he just went? I don't get it. What is it in the? Oh you did so much surgery. There's nothing there and so there's actually freedom and being like it it didn't work and you lose it but giving up the thing I'm still not I'm still upset. About how different is that. When you write in Faulkner Line of killing your Darlan's Orleans is that killing your darling on this it similar? It really is and learning that. I don't have the muscle yet like every time edit when I had to give up my beautiful baby funny line and everyone's like you can write another line like make the best show I've started to come around to it but when it was a big limb. I'm like my beautiful to armed two legged child. If I lose an arm I have to do it. You have to kill your darlings sometimes and then you know in your heart that it's the right move the fight it I for me over the years. I need to apply data because sometimes I won't trust my EGOS SO large I won't trust one or two people. I need to get it out in the world and collect as much data as posit data meeting like Sam like how people sample in in this case. Because that's what I need. I think in terms of what I'm trying to do now want people like the show. I really do not just from my own ego but I deeply think. TV should be entertaining. Like I'm not asking. This isn't a thing where there's a bar entry. I'm not saying you have to go to the art house cinema and pay ten dollars and whatever I'm coming to you in your living room you're already in your jammies. You have five hundred other shows to watch like I want you to be an to be entertained but at the same time I can't chase in audience I can't chase everyone. You know what I mean. I can only control what I can control and I wanna make something that you know hits my benchmarks that entertains entertains me and the thing that I keep saying at the end of this people are like oh I think it's great. Or how do you feel and at this moment. PRE-OPENING I think the shows heart is in. Its right place. I mean I think the actors are incredible. You know. I think we had so many great production designed costumes but I think it's hard as an it's in the right place and I think there are things that we didn't hit and I'm not going to name them because other people will and hopefully they'll miss some of them but tried you know and I feel proud of that and I can control that and then I can't tweak the menu in two weeks because won't be done honestly. That's one of the main reasons why I WANNA do pre-opening diaries. Because I found now releasing releasing content in a variety of ways in the world and talking to people like you or other friends with musicians artists or authors that. You think that what's in in your head like the scene that you were just talking about with your executive producer that people are GonNa get it or they are going to understand or they're going to follow the trail of breadcrumbs. You left yes. They're we're going to respect me for my intent. I know but they don't or they can't see it because it's all in your head or for whatever reason they it's clear but they can't see because there's just too much should in the world and it and who knows what they're doing at that moment how they're feeling and then once stuff gets you're going to go on a press junket and you're going to promote the hell out of this show and it's going to find some narrative that makes sense for you know copy and a newspaper People magazine Hollywood reporter some Youtube Sup- thing and it's going to be a snippet and then it gets co-opted and turns into something else and you don't ever get the chance to tell your story once it's out in the world you can't you lose it. So that's why I thought to do it before it happens. Almost to be like eight mile last seen with EMINEM. It's like this is what it is. Yeah if you don't believe leave me this. I'm telling you right now because you can control the narrative in a way that you can't after the fact not to make it to Mecca at about a podcast about your podcast but I'm wondering in how you feel about the narrative about cowie which I wish I could go into New York and a year and a half. It's killing me because the pre-opening diaries did for that restaurant were really the fascinating really powerful to listen to really illuminating. She seems like incredible person and I felt reading all of the press US afterwards. which was really wonderful? I think especially your end stuff. I felt years the story that you had put into the world in the coverage of the restaurant. I don't know if you guys feel that way a and I don't mean to make it sound like cynical one hundred percent. Yeah and this is a complicated thing and a lot to talk about or unpack so the pre-opening diaries though was incredibly fruitful for Cowie. Because we let it all out there including how you know I would say buffoonish a lot of our attempts to get the restaurant right and I think critics listen to it. Yeah I think I think that there are different audiences rank different tiers of audiences and For me and I read like foodstuff. South is my. That's what I'm interested in. I would much rather be talking about that. Would much rather be reading about And so reading the larger narrative you know so you know we've never really sat down before but watching your moves in restaurants and feeling a personal spirit behind these moves you know even when they're messy even when you copped to something that didn't work out or whatever is part of the story and I think that's a good part of the store. I love it when I think did you have the Sarah's who have kismet here on No I think no. We haven't we should there so I don't know them again superfan and they just opened this Kismet rotisserie serie here in Los Angeles. It's amazing when the second day it's like how people should be eating. It's wonderful and I went in with my daughter. And they're they're you know one Sarah's behind the line and once airs in the front and I'm getting this like exciting charge I'm also feeling really welcomed because I know the full story of the restaurant and that is more than the food and you can't always control that but I appreciate getting that big picture because I'm being manipulated into liking something but because I feel more connected to it artistically or creatively absolutely and the reason why I wanted to sort of do this. I do this for albums that I'm excited to come out or books that are coming online. Read everything about it and why. Why shouldn't that be for restaurants whether it's Uber? Ride cab ride to it. You can plane ride like people fly to noma. Why wouldn't they listened? They read everything about it. Why when they listen to a podcast about what's for dinner also because when you sit down at a restaurant you know especially it's one you've tried to get into and it's buzzing crowded? Whatever I think people civilian people feel pressure? You know like Oh. I'm this is my moment. I don't WanNa fumble this which I order which I want to make a mistake in that gets into their head you know because they've waited for a table or whatever and that that affects your experience and it also affects it from the restaurants. And because you don't want to seem condescending or to her boasts explaining this is what the chef believes. This is our mission this month. Whatever whatever and it's also the same for your TV show right whether people know you from the ringer the watch or when you're at grant land or all your other work some people will some people won't but I think if you leave something that's necessarily evergreen but transparently leave your thoughts? Send your feelings about what you're doing. Then people can go down the rabbit hole on their own volition and then because powerful yeah and it forges more of a connection I think did forging connections is harder and harder and more valuable to people on both sides of it and I and I was really surprised. I I want the show will stand on its own. It's GONNA show. Hopefully people like if people won't like it. I am ready for whatever's coming my way there on speed dial but But I was really warmly surprised when we went to the Toronto Film Festival to premiere the first two episodes while we were in production so the V.. craziest time that I can ever remember did NBC ABC Make You do that. I know well yes so like trying film festival. Yes if he makes fly places. Yeah so we have in common he he never let me go to Tokyo. Will happily switch it. Makes me go to Albuquerque The it was. I guess it was a big deal. They've never had a show. Landon Landon Film Festival and so they WANNA show the first two episodes so there was a moment this summer when we were blocked shooting episodes five and six I was flying back to La. To edit too quickly I was prepping seven rewriting Adenine and writing ten and there was this moment at lax at six am where I was like. This is the hardest thing that's ever happened. I never want to do this. There's only then. Suddenly I had this moment of clarity like the only thing worse than doing this would be not doing cygnus. How'd you get that information that you had premier for two episodes Trona Film Festival? TIFF was it through. Email was a call was text. I we had been told that they were submitting knitting In the considered it would happen. I don't think any if someone came in the studio right now and said congratulations. You've made it this far. We're we're taking the show away. I'd say been waiting for you. I mean there is no moment where I think that's actually gonNA happen. I was on the phone expressing this feeling Yesterday or two days ago in a bus drove by with an ad for the show drove past me. I was like well. That's a mistake So so I know that they've been petitioning or submitted and I didn't think it was gonNA happen. And then we were shooting episode four and I got a note that they never wanted to call me but went back to my trailer. And they're like congratulations and thanks. You know because it's everything you of course I wanNA share with people. Of course I'm honored. Of course I'm proud but every opportunity comes with this like kick in the ass of like it's just going to be harder And the reason I started that was not was really mostly to say that when I got it on stage and I was terrified to introduce it there. The people in the crowd who listened to the podcast and they were so warm. You know in that meant so much to me because they feel. I don't take this for granted like they're on there along for the ride. They don't make they might not like the show but they've they've they're part of the larger ride that this has been so you've seen some of the benefits of being able to talk about it on your own podcast right it it. It's a little bit of self defense. I think right inoculate people but also it's an. I just don't know why we don't do more of this. Quite frankly people made this stuff you know not just me like people. This is in the restaurants too and I'm sure you feel the same way about everyone from front of House. dishwashers like like people are working hard and bringing themselves to it. And that's what makes it good. It's not just something and I think it's more important. Now that everything feels more disposable right more click about you could just before the and I've been to so before the the the lights dimmed and they start showing Briar Patch. What was going into your mind so well so they do this thing? Where like I'm in this room and I'm freaking out and drive me to the thing and and freaking out and then I saw a little bit better because if you ever have to do something like this I highly recommend doing it with Dawson? Who is one of the greatest human beings on earth and Dan? You know just like she just took my hands like we're fine But we had to introduce it. You know I I had introduced it so they so they they called me out in. The Guy introduced me like Christos on a podcast which was terrifying in my parents flew up. Did Not ask them to come. They did not want the become they came so I was totally freaking out and the lights went down and I was sitting in the crowd with Rosario and with Lily am report who directed the pilot. And because I was with my friends who had made this with may we actually had fun. You know but but in that moment because I just had this big fear that as soon as we got there he was going to become about the outcome and it was going to be thumbs. Comes up thumbs-down rotten tomatoes you're done in. I was still making it and I wanted to enjoy longer but when I was in the room and the people who had made it with me and Nice people people listen to podcasts. I felt good if okay did you for sure. Thought about all the outcomes that were negative and how that would affect the process. I well I tried. Not I- denial is a very powerful drug. I mean there was a version of it in my head and no one. No one ever said this to me but what if we had put it up there and people who have been like well well. This is a joke. You let this dummy do this. And you've got nothing then we're still making it so then. We are funding droughts marketing triumph. Do we do we Shots what I'm talking about. That's the motion that I'm looking for right now. I don't go that people. So people often misunderstand my neuroses including an executive at at USA or or the CDC PR production executive who says I say I have a headache. And she's like Oh you probably think you have a brain tumor Like no no. That's your other Jewish friends. I just think I'm GonNa have this headache forever and I had a good run being non headache guy now mr headache forever so that feeling of like being up in everything being nervous and scary like that's my permanent state. Now I somehow have boarded over the deeper deep hole and And then the reviews came out and they were. You know there were some that were are because I think four or five trades reviewed after after Briar Patch after death the first two episodes and two or three of them were just so kind and nice and I immediately discounted those. That's nonsense not GonNa look at those and then the others were basically like this could be good and that's how I feel you know I'm like you saw two episodes. We're not done. That's the best thing you could say. This could be good. Let me show you. I'm going to keep working on it. I'm GONNA talk more about Andy's bio and his sorta history before an intro. But if you don't know he has been a culture critic TV critic for what publications music for a long time. And then I wrote a little bit for like blender when it existed in entertainment weekly and vulture and then they wanNA grantland on TV. How many many times have you ripped something? This always fairly who is with real kindness with some frequency for sure the story I tell myself and there's reams of digital evidence to the contrary here. Okay here's where I start from. I think people think and I wonder if you feel this way about food critics as well. I think people assume critics like to hate things and in my experience I love TV eighty. I love it and I want to love things and what I had to sort of regulate maybe this is what led me to ultimately making. It was being personally upset when something something. I didn't like something like as if something was being done to me. As opposed to just a choice that I didn't agree with and so that would inform more inflammatory critiques. There were things that I rip that. I will stand by which things that I felt. Were deeply cynical. You know that just there. There isn't a heart behind this that I can feel you know that would get some. I'm pretty mean stuff out but but I definitely was using the platform that bill gave me again like trying to being a freelance writer for failing magazines for ten years and and all of a sudden bill. Simmons is like your borrow my audience. I I went I went up people. Do you have any like shit. I was roll moments. I I mean I always tried to be empathetic. 'cause I always tried to bring it up a perspective of the industry you know. I wasn't like a Victorian new critic being the only thing that I'm considering is the images on the screen like I know that this is a business. I know that business factors into every single decision. You see on the screen and sometimes in good ways and sometimes Zimbabwe's so I tried to take a more more like holistic. Like here's what may have gone wrong here. Kind of approach But I mean I never. I never wrote a negative review of something that I secretly liked. I probably could've made the peace more about things that I did appreciate but sometimes I got really upset about stuff now. 'cause I talk about this relationship literally for a week and I will spare audience. 'cause that's my ode neurosis but now that Briar Patch is coming out and you've made it clear that your intent was as pure and perfect as possible to do something great. Yeah Yeah. In the event that a critic just rips it up how do you feel about that. Well I definitely respect and understand the role of the critic. Nick and I'M NOT GONNA step on it and I'm not gonNA clapback. What is what is the role of the critic? Then well what. I love about criticism of what I really tried to do was. There's a forest trees thing right like when you're making something. You are so focused on the tree that you're you're does fail metaphor already. You don't build a tree but you're looking at a tree writer. You're whittling a tree Ivan Ivan written in a long time but as a critic you can look at the forest and say there are many trees here some are good some are bad add. Here's where this tree relates to the other elements of the forest and that perspective. That was really helpful. I felt like when I first went into writers rooms and crossed over to the other side. I think critics can contextualized ideas and drug focus on ideas or emotions that you don't even realize you're playing with and sometimes in an instructive way like you. You're playing with this thing here. And maybe you didn't do justice maybe by juxtaposing these two themes you are short shifting. This other one you know and and Noticing things that I've lost the ability to notice in a way that I can learn and grow from Or even just as you said if someone loves it in a way that I don't even understand why right that touch did you like that. I had no idea So I'm excited for that. One of the reasons I got out of criticism was that I did feel like I. I was trying really hard to be creative artistic or something and every piece that I did but because of the kind of deadening effect of twitter like shoveling the snow as everyone else and plus they're six hundred. TV shows so my job became less about championing or investigating or interrogating here. These high-minded ideas I had and more about like a wealth management consultant and my consumers. Mors have eight hours if they spend those hours poorly. They'll blame me and I didn't love that aspect job. Then what do you think are potential weaknesses of this show. Yeah I know what do you think is critical. Say Well one the thing that was really nice about the reviews even the ones that were positive that had little you know tics and whatever I'm like oh you didn't miss the big ones. I know I'm a I'm I'm a critic problems. I know the things that don't work. I know the things I wish we had done better And I probably will always know them better than anybody else. So when someone it gets one Mike secretly it'll be like okay good for you notice that You know I think that they're one of the things that we tried to do. The show is you know this comes from being a critic two shows so if you have the opportunity to make one don't go small. Don't make a safe choice. Make make a big big big choice. They run towards the thing that you're a little bit afraid of and see what happens and So each episode Briar Patch intentionally is a little bit different. I mean there's an giant action the episode. There's an episode that's a little more soap operatic emotionally driven There's essentially a high step aside. You know there's A. There's a very emotional funeral episode. So so that was intentional because take big swings and do different things The other thing that I I think about this a lot and I wonder if you think about it to considering your career. There are things that I begin to focus on like. Oh you know. Now that I've been through production of ten episodes. I would never write a script like that because I just murdered line producer and I you know these these poor people locations are Never GonNa talk to me again Now I know how to constrain those ideas and make them. I mean the word use a lot of scalable. Yeah well right like I can do it and then the next thought is on. Never have this magic again. I'll never be so stupid and naive in the best way again and so then you go down to that pitiful. This is the best thing I'll ever do. This is such a fascinating place to be. And I'm so why we're talking and you're in that awful amazing place place in the right order right because whenever I make a restaurant I'm always thinking when it's about to launch I was like okay. These are all the things that sock These are things that I know will only get better with time right whether that's cooks getting more APPs or whatever but these are design flaws that are going to haunt us forever and you you know no one can tell you p wells can't tell you. XYZ thing right you know but those are things that are not necessarily really worried about the things that I guess. I'm asking you are are there like structural elements that are problematic Like we've been getting a lot of feedback you back on the Russian which is hoping to Las Vegas and someone said like Oh. I'd like I don't like this. We call the dish Spaghetti and people were like P won't read sauces like I was like what what's yeah. We'll just change the things we can change. But there are other elements like you know whether it's the right kind of dessert or but we've gotten one on feedback from a pretty influential person and they said I don't like the menu. I don't like how it looks and I don't like the feel of it and then I have to think who was this person. Do they have good taste. All these things and I'm getting real feedback and I can see. Is this how a real critic might look at it too. And that's what I'm that's what after because certain things are personal preference and Briar Patch is going to get reviewed by how many outlets I know. So what happens when someone gets at Rawal. Oh They one hundred percent will and I think I just have to say not everybody. Nobody likes everything. Not everyone is the target audience and you know so one of the things that I said a lot to the writers when we have the writer's room was this is a murder mystery show. Oh it's about a woman who returns to her existential corrupt hometown. West Texas border town fictional place because her ten years younger sister is blown up and she goes back to find out why we are not better than a genre like people love murder mysteries. I love to watch us like that. We have to service this. We have to consider a fan of if you know procedural shows or my mom might WanNa tune in here and if we do our best to service this mystery to the best of our ability. You'RE GONNA find out who killed her sister by the end of the ten episodes. It's a complete story over the course of the season Then we earned the right to do the things that I really care about which are weirder more surreal more emotional more experimental more. That was one rule. The second rule is even if people don't want to admit it but I say this with a lot of love and confidence from a lifetime reading paperback crime novels. Who did it is the least interesting question? Show like this it. You think it's the most important and we have like a commentary at online like answer the question we want answers but that's actually not that interesting. What's interesting is everything? That's swirls in circles around it and the a bigger deeper dive you can do because you have the spine of a question. People are interested in so I really tried to serve. The mystery also knew that if at the end of episode so ten if critics are like but why did he go back there. We've lost we've already lost instead. It should be like what a fun ride. I loved being with these these people because my favorite books the raiders who inspire me or Ross. Thomas whose book I took less liberties with read that book and tell me what happened like really tell me beat it out and then then use your twitter brain to be like wow doesn't make sense or whatever that's not what it's about it is about. I'm excited to try right now. In real time I'm thinking about from your perspective and it's just like the list of items on the menu and the cooking versus the experience right the room. You're really all that matters if the experience variance at the nfl you leave something you remember. And that's why I'm always like I don't care per se. I'm going to accumulate all of these opinions and aggregate them to something that makes sense where I can determine okay majority of people leave here being like. I'm so happy I spent my money and this was a wonderful experience versus. I hate this fucking place and I'm always concerned with. I don't know why critics getting it right or seeing it and this is where I I always get mad at myself because 'cause I don't WanNa sound like Donald Trump right like fucking media but do you believe that all the critics are going to watch this or going to take seriously as as you would know no as a critic or as a critic I don't want I mean I don't want to create a right like like there's gotta be one thing I'd have to put away. No one can. I mean I've just been working on the show with every fiber ever being for years and so no one can do that in a review. They have too much other stuff to do you know but that's exactly there's too many. TV shows how do they put the right amount of spotlight an effort in two ears. That I don't know and I don't want to assume the motives of anyone you know so I found out I did find out that there's a review coming from. I'm someone who didn't like the show. Fine who watch one episode. And that's my only. Yeah that's one eight unmixed but we gave them eight because I got nothing to hide. I'm like I'm proud of this. I know where their peaks and valleys. But I think it ends really strong. I think seven eight nine ten. I'm really really excited and proud of to share with people but and I'm proud of all of them. Whatever whatever but? I wouldn't do that in today's marketplace. I know there's a lot of stuff to watch but we gave you more. Can we just call this personnel. Come on no I get. What's what's GonNa come out and also it hasn't come out? I was just told this was happening. By know publicist but it's okay from what I understand the other thing. Is this if someone watches one episode of this. Jason is just like it's not for me. That's okay because I promise you it's for me like I think it's funny you know. I think the show is weird. Like it celebrates things that I love love personally and I'm excited to share with people and you know from a lifetime it just felt like it from a bunch of years of being a TV critic reviewing these like like serious man dramas and just saying again and again like I don't believe I just don't believe in darkness without light. I won't feel the dark series emotions unless unless you counterbalance it because people laugh at funerals man like life is weirder than dark punishment so I got to make a show that hopefully hits both. It's a tough tone. But the show's it was funny. I mean the first episode. I think clearly lays that out. Yeah I hope so. I mean it's weird and it's funny that's my Mo and I get it if you don't it's okay. If you don't feel that way I do think that if you were critic trying to tell an audience you might be curious where it goes at least through three. We'll be right back after word from our sponsors. 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You'RE GONNA make mistakes that no one tries to make something bad you know. No when does I don't think unless that. NBC show the slap that I still feel like there was something something rotten in Denmark on that one but but in general no people will people are trying to make stuff and determine again it was did they do they really try. You know what I mean. Yeah I don't know the difference I I think you're right and I do think that I started to chafe under like I just want. I wanted to stop leaving in my head and reacting and responding to other people's things and I think probably me said this moment ago you're talking about like Reactions to an experimental dish right like love. Love and hate are the same thing you're still await title. Find yourself to something when I got really angry about. Shows in retrospect now is probably because I wanted to do I had. I didn't admit at the time very church and state like I wasn't trying to pursue this career when I was reviewing but it was because it became personal to me because I wanted to do rather than react the powerful awful and one reason why continually stuck on this is I think we need an ombudsman or something critics to keep them honest. A bad EH. Are they mailing it in or they really trying to determine are they is the creator giving their best effort even though we know it's imperfect it's a it's a how oh I describe home cooking or grandma's food it's perfectly imperfect and at the food you want it. It is absolutely absolutely but we've and not just food criticism. I think media of all sorts where the criticism has become sterilized. Too reductive to the point where it's not necessarily rotten tomatoes but it seems like everything sort of headed that way. I have to have a hot take and this is what I hate about it. Well it's either. It's either I have to have a hot take or more often. I have to get in line with the same take right. You know either way it is it is slatter. I think in blander than we had hoped it would be with as many voices but I also think publications across the border slashing funds being someone who has the luxury of thinking about stuff for a living there. Fewer people can do that. So we've talked about and you're not gonna go nearly as deep as I think I would love you to because you have to talk. Talk to critics. I'm sure What are the what? What do you think people are GonNa take away their genuinely positive? They're going to be like this was the best or do you not think about my show. Yeah I think the actor I think the acting is amazing. AMAZING ACTORS BY I. I have to leave the actors actors that I have A combination of things I mean Rosario obviously was first and When you wrote it three years ago you thought I didn't? I really want part of the free. Experience was like so the book. It's about a man and I change to women. I was much more interested in that story. I'd much more interested in writing Someone returning to their bad hometown to deal shit is very off told and particularly masculine told story. I was much more interested in from a female perspective But but I didn't have a person I didn't. I didn't describe the character. I described her eyes but I didn't describe what she looked like Rosario felt amazing. You know early on I was like I yeah. I didn't think you'd get anybody and then someone suggested Rosario and I was like we can't do that can we. And then the next thing you know I'm sitting with her and she's awesome and she wants to do oh and she said no to everything. She was. Always the poster child for the most sought after actor during pilot season but she responded to it and so then she was on board and then Other parts you know every part had its own journey. You Got Kim Dickens Kim so Kim Dickens. It's something like who we've talked about you onset. Actually I feel so bad that she had actually acted with you. She told me the funniest stories about working with David. Simon where she'd be 'cause 'cause he's so he's such a believer in truth and accuracy above anything else. So she's like I would be on set with these jazz musicians musicians and I'd be like. Is he going to hit his marks tape. It's like it doesn't matter. He's a jazz musician. She's like okay so she but you know one of the greatest people in the world. I love of her so lovely and and she did nothing but nice things to say about you and she so that was an example of at that point. She's not in the pilot she's one of the stars of the show which he joins the show in episode two and at that point we had something show people you know that people who signed onto a pilot are really you have to sit with them. They have to trust you you you know. And that's a big leap. So Jay Ferguson. Who is one of the great American actors who I think is the best? He's ever been selfishly. Briar Patch. People know him a lot from a madman. He's done this for a long time. He's been an actor twenty five years. Thirty eight no. He's forty five. He's forty five in the show. Everyone's thirty eight all Ross. Thomas Protagonists are thirty. Eight or thirty eighty nine because he felt that was the last year. You could plausibly. Make mistakes for people called you to account for them very true. It's true it's really powerful. But she acted as a teenager with Burt Reynolds. And I'm like come join this thing with a part that scared him because he hadn't done this stuff so it was a huge leap of faith and I'm grateful for but anyway we had the pilot. We got series order and then and I'd created this role. doesn't exist in the book of a female police chief who I thought would be a really unique antagonist to Rosario character in the pilots. Almost all men and she's traversing this land of wolves where she can't show any emotion and she can't be happy she can't be sad because she doesn't trust them and I had this vision of a new you kind of character for her to deal with who when she saw her hugged her. which would be the worst thing you could do to a character like Allegra? And so so you write it. And I'm writing it like as a Kim Dickens Skins type and then the casting people are like well what about Kim Dickens writer a letter and write a letter and then they read the letter and then they said they wanna meet you know and that happened with Alan coming to like. I wrote him a letter at AS Roma letter. And you say like this is what I what I think of you. This is what I see for you and this is what we're trying trying to do here. You know and then they come play and that beautiful man. It was amazing. I mean it's like it's dream dream after dream and like the next thing you know look around and you know these people it was so fun to cast because like like Peter Storm Air from Fargo in the movie you know and from Armageddon and these. He's in our show in this small part in one episode because it was the type of person that he should play in. So you say like would you ever do this. Actors WanNa work And they liked doing stuff they haven't done before so Allen said I couldn't believe I still can't believe Alan is on the show Allen show up and he's like this is the dream character because everyone talks about him for three episodes and then when he shows up in everyone's scared of him he's like you WanNa be. You WanNa have less little to do but everyone talk about you so that that was great. I loved you hear horror stories about actors whatever but that was one of the highlights experiences working with these actors. As you know as an actor yourself that's we say the reason why wasn't picked up for another season was because of my acting abilities. Lack thereof and I think Kim I that was so hard now I know why no one really makes exc movie dramas but she still talks about. She can make an now. She was really talks about it I I. Can't I just remember overseas where now I know how hard your job is to just filming five minutes takes fifteen hours. It's can you explain actually for A. There's no point in talking about my lack of acting skills but you can do that on the watch. How insane is to get content done? It's so hard every I mean this is the thing that I thought I knew and now I really understand if you're watching. TV show or movie every single thing that you see no matter how minute whether it's someone sideburns or whether it's a glass on the table was a decision. Someone made that decision for that to be there and every the scene you know a three page scene between two characters can take most of a day depending how many days you have your budget. And how many cameras you have frustrating is that has ever get easier the for me something beautiful. Some some writers don't like to be on set like Damon Lindelof who become friendly with doesn't like to be on set he doesn't he's useful there you know he. He's he does pre writing. Obviously he does prep in these post. I I love being onset because maybe it's because I used to be theater Dork but like I love making stuff and I love watching all these people who know what they're doing do it But yes you you you get you wake up at five for six. Am Call and then you start with The wide shot. And you do the scene for five times and then you move you stop ever and goes eat snacks. There's never any shortage of snacks and move in. And you do one person's coverage you turn it around the other person's coverage in and there's just this monotonous it and this is the thing that I was hoping we could talk about two. which is that? It's not always are you know. There's there's what's the word that you choose to use but like snark. Glamorous it's not glamorous you know it's not just you know putting the last Finishing magic either. Just you do the job. It's very workman-like it's working like you have to. You know you have to chop stuff basically but no one knows how the no one wants to know the saucers getting sausages made and having thing now seeing just any filmmaking movie process. TV It is so insanely efficient. I can't wrap my head on come on set and they're excited and then they get bored within five five everyone who comes to visit. There's a pattern on there so excited. Oh is that really her bedroom. It looks on its in the studio and credit. Are Those snacks free amazing. Oh here comes very dawson awesome. I can't wait and put these headphones on ten minutes later. They are so deepen their phone. You cannot pull them out of it because they've now they've now memorized the scene. So if if this was a dialogue for five minutes. Yeah you're shooting at every angle possible over and over and I don't know oh I can't explain it to someone how impossibly long it takes takes so long and then you have dummies like me running a sprint. And you hear all the D is going and is coming in with a note. And he's coming no he's fine. He's fine he says it's fine but running in and I'm like okay but what if it was this. What if it was this and telling the director and like and then? They're all rolling their eyes because they're going to get they WANNA it gets lunch. Did you go and thinking that this is my one shot and this is it. I'm putting it all out there. Long onset in Albuquerque. Well I can always go back to my true love blogging. It's there it's right there waiting for me. I do think and again this is also why the David Epstein Range interview is in my head like. I'm so grateful full that I'm doing this and we're the same age. I was doing this at this moment and then I had other jobs and other experiences with allowed me to appreciate it more but also so I think allowed me to have some perspective I have existed in the world is someone who didn't have a TV show. This happened to you and your twenty-seven how different would have been in nightmare. What a nightmare? Well one would. I have to say about anything to. I don't think I had the necessary separation of like I took a fiction writing class in college and my observations. About New England buildings and autumn are universal. You know The perspective of whereas it on a show like this can be. I've got fucking Rosario Dawson power suit and I've got all these other funny amazing great things and then using them. Maybe we can have some subtext about emotion or family. Family your psychology that are interesting being able to realize that those are two separate things in my own naval is not worthy of ten episodes but also just like all the work that that people go us I think from listening to your podcast have gotten to do on ourselves to be a little bit more humble and prepared for things that idea of like this is what you want but what does it mean. What's IT GONNA cost like it's not? Just here's your here's your reward. Now go do this thing. There's you know I live in Albuquerque for four months basis. You bring your wife and kid now now because their life is here so I was coming coming back and forth takes a toll on everybody so having the perspective about all of these things and also just about like not getting too far to tipped over too far into this being everything like it was really important to me that not to be an asshole not to hire assholes like I think that there's a there's a thing in writers rooms and maybe kitchens maybe in all workplaces like the myth of the difficult genius. Life's too short man. This is hard enough. I don't it's not worth worth it to me to have someone who might have the most outside the box idea in a room with me who poisons for everyone else so we had nice people who were come from extremely diverse backgrounds who contributed to the show and we ended the writer's room everyday five because I wanted to have dinner with my family and we still did it now where we is episode assode six ten percent less good because I did that. Someone may say that but I think it was the right calculation was briar patch coach. The first attempt at trying to show me because you've worked on other TV shows before. Yeah that's the crazy thing. So so I was writing books and magazine stuff in New York. And and then Josh Schwartz who did the and learn over Alaska. WHO's a good foodie food exactly? I saw him at Adele delay and he walked in straight from his looking from Alaska Premier and like looking mazing. So I wrote a story about him for years ago became friends and then he was doing a web series for Warner brothers and and asked me to contribute a script and I did and then asked me to contribute another one. I loved it. I want to do that. Why didn't occur to me? This is fun because it's interactive and make people talk so I turned a book. I was was writing into a SPEC script but was not going to leave New York And so I never really made the jump I was kind of I had an agent and I was kind of in the Grantland Rheinland started and I was like well. I'm just going to do this now because I didn't feel I could do both and be fair and also finally you know an amazing opportunity in great people and I got to talk to meet all the people. So I was interested in creatively and then at the end of it. I was getting that feeling we were talking about like just ready to maybe try something creative and my a contract was going to end and I was going to write a SPEC scripts to start over and it may be able to do this and then two things happened right before my contract ended. No holly came on the PODCAST. Never met him and at the end of it he texted me and then called me the next day and asked if I wanted to help them adapt to occur vonnegut novel which was unbelievable the good fortune and kindness. Actually I'M GONNA have some free time and then grandma shut down three days for my contract ended so I guess I can do this story so I came to. La worked with him for two weeks at the end of the two weeks. Yes we jump on agencies in one house like I can't live in New York and all credit to him he's like I don't care skype or whatever so I scraped into into the writer's room which annoyed the professional writers to no end and then flew out of your couple times and by the end of that experience. I was like I do love this. I do want to do this so we moved. Here involves sixteen in my agents. Were like people here. Know You because you've been ripping their shows for six years but they don't know that as this so why don't you just take one of those books always talking about is right something thing and so it's like okay and had this idea. Rest is my favorite writer. I'd thought about doing something with Brian. Patch for a long time. Didn't three weeks. It went right to Sam's producing partner and Sam and they wanted to do it right away so this is this is a totally outrageous. Good Fortune Story. Of course no one had the rights paramount owned the rights. So then the the squealing brakes of Hollywood hit the whole thing and I did work with Sam on something else in the interim but in terms of like yeah. This is the first. This was the first time I was like this. I wrote the script and I was like. Let's try it. People are going to hate that because you didn't pay your dues like everyone else but I think about it. Okay I'm using your podcast to justify my existence because that thing that David was talking about about everyone thinks they're black swans are. Don't pay attention to them. I was doing I was doing a year. I didn't have this to say that when you don't do it the way that everyone else did it but I firmly believe this if you WANNA rate for TV do not move to Los Angeles. Do not take a job. Do not start answering. Someone's phone just because you'll be senior it live a life have something to say your value will increase exponentially if you have a perspective. That's not the perspective of what's good at Mendocino farms like that the being here if you like everything that I've brought here came from outside of here although the restaurants in your now the restaurants are very good in La. Have there been any other food out. Food always thinking the world of food critics that that have gone to the other side Yes I mean. People like to joke about pulling Kale famous film critic who I came to. La For two years is to work on the studio lot and then went back to New York. Who Else is actually a Rod? Laurie who's made a bunch of movies I think was a critic Now I think people there are a lot of people who have worked worked in magazines done different kinds of criticism working out here. Just because the world of media is contracted they have their own show. you might be the first. It might be the I I. I don't presume that I am. I presume that you are because they're in more than there's no more than five. It's possible what if you are the the first of your kind. I WanNa make it very clear on pulling the ladder up behind me. This is no Wesley Snipes and blade. You are done your day Walker Walker and like him in so many ways on taxes. I was great in a major league. I'm surprisingly shorter. And and what does this give you an advantage in which fueled making this. TV show. I so I think it goes back to that. Terrible rebel failed tree and forest metaphor. That I'm GONNA for some foolish reasons. Try again which was that I was I. I think that I have a feeling of being a part of it where the culture is and what. I never made any decision about the show. Like oh I think people are ready for this like they want this but I do think I understand people's viewing habits bets. They're viewing patients you know in terms of like let's get on with it. Let's make this more in terms of making it from the perspective of not someone who's GonNa find everything that I do you interesting but someone who has a pile of ten other screeners and a deadline. So what can be in the show that might grab them and make it more compelling for them And and I also think that there were decisions made I mean. There's a story line in the show that touches on Border because the fictional town is is located near the Texas Mexico border order. And there's a character who is a border patrol agent and so I was very mindful of like that's not my story to tell The story's been done many times and done badly. So we got in we brought in a brilliant writer named For instance CONTO. Who wrote this amazing memoir stuck to this guy Called the line becomes a river. He's a Mexican American guy who became a border patrol agent to better understand understand the world that he was being affected by interested in so he was a consultant on our show came into our room inspired character and the jury's out on how we did with the storyline I think ultimately one thing I learned. Is that you can't do full justice to every single thing. I hope we did it small justice but I definitely was in my head like okay. I'm playing with something that matters. This isn't just a toy for me in the abstract in a writer's room in Hollywood but don't critics or just people that are going to consume this. Expect you to do justice to every single the thing that's what's We must they might and I think that and I don't want to say I don't make it sound like other people aren't consumed with these thoughts. But I definitely was. I'm more recently removed from a world of that hyper awareness and that hyper criticism. And that and I don't know if that makes better aren't necessarily like bringing up Damon again like I really respect that Damon is off twitter. It's truly just doesn't engage in it. And Watchman's amazing watchmen fucking unbelievable and there is no one. I've never talked to anyone more more afraid and miserable in my life than Damon Lindelof in the months before it came out like you can never tell these joking or not but he was texting me when I was on location. Like will you hire me because my career is over. He's so successful and he's so thoughtful and careful in good and works harder than anyone else and he's like well I can go back to blogging. You know I still feel that way. I think you're in trouble. You don't feel that way. Yeah I really do. Because in my opinion that's when Hubris risk because that's the best way to describe it will ruin your career. So how can I turn it back on your triggering it. I know we're running out of time but How do you find like as you are in a period of expansion personally written in the family and also a lot of restaurants right now but also media? And how do you find presence and equilibrium in the middle of it. I don't I mean the Christian like if anyone has hung out with me in the past week they're like he's out of fucking mind. That's my wife because I'm just like I don't know what the flexible and I don't know how to do. Restaurants people like how you doing restaurants media I was like I don't know I have. No idea is freaking me out because the past week. I'm like this restaurant shit is going to be then. I have no idea how we're going to do. It's driving me crazy. This is going to be the worst restaurant. We're having some problems across the board here here but then I have to think it was like this has never changed. This has always always been the same. And what I've told my shrink is this is all the problems have changed But the feeling of dread existential dread has remained the same. Yes and the way I describe this in the book. That's coming out. I want to learn how to juggle two balls. Now now I'm throwing chainsaws and basis and I'm still the same amount of scared. Yeah nothing on. That level has changed. What I'm throwing? The air is different. But I'm worried. Now why do I have to continue to do it. And I mean you ask your saying listen. Question had watchmen creators like. How can you feel this bad? There's there's no I think we all and especially people were on the approaching something big like that. We lied ourselves that there's the reward of relief that if you could just do with this thing that you've always wanted to do and come out unscathed then you will be handed a gold watch and a handshake like you're going to feel better but you stay the same through all of it and and it's daunting I thought he did his own lindelof. That's how you pronounce his did his own propane. Diaries when the last episode Kim Out Yes yes he did. Every publication yet ended in intense interviews about Barry Frank and I thought it was beautiful and brilliant and there was nothing left to be said about it. Yeah do you have anything else. You want to add. Because like that to me was the best thing I'd seen from anyone recently about like like fuck you guys. This is what it is both fuck you to the critics and two. I know the fan base that are going to be up in arms about how this is going to potentially I mean. I think it's important important for me to remember that like on the same day that I wake up and I'm getting all these texts from people showing me that their posters for my show in the subway. There's no greater thing the in the fucking subway in my subway. Stop in Brooklyn that I you know that I left few years ago. I'm brushing my teeth. Being like am I gonNa have a panic attack at the dentist today. You know what I mean like. It's just a guy in pajamas. Living Your Life that doesn't change and it's you know people when they get excited excited they get excited for you and they want you to be lifted up in the excitement that they feel so I think remembering that is important but the other thing is like this has been a two or three year journey that has been the most other than my children. I guess like the most significant thing of my life. I really am proud that I have enjoyed it and that I love the people that I work with and they were healthy relationships. You know in that. That's that's the thing that really matters. I cannot control people think about the show. I hope that they are entertained by because I think it's fun but I also learned that I WANNA do more. Yeah and I think obviously you will but I think you're wrong. I think that in the sense of if they don't like it I I'm still stuck on this notion that people may not like something because they're misjudging it still still judging your intent. It's like some piece of modern art. I may not understand it but I can tell that. They poured their life into this. And I'm GonNa respected and I feel that way about restaurants a lot yeah like Best Protein in La. Across the street. From where I've been posting. Have you been there no. It's the the dark tower. Yeah go to. I go to destroyer and I get you know like right raw. Egg over potato ash alone should go there one day because I think what they're doing is so important sued and two expression of oneself. Do I WANNA eat there. No I don't but I I go there to support it because I it has to to be supported and I may not love it personally but I love it more than any other restaurant. You know what I mean. And that's the kind of when I see critics talking negatively about it. I'm like you want your basically like a mega supporter. If you want this reductive world where everything's easy. Yes that's not a real reflection and I cherish of expertise because it's so challenging. Even though I may not find all those delicious we have to have room for all of it. If we'RE GONNA say we're a fan of something if you're a fan of food if you're a fan of food culture TV you have to have room in your heart and your mind for all of what that means. And I've been guilty of the opposite early early on. I told the story on my podcast but I had this brilliant idea like some schmuck like one year into doing this for grantland. I was GONNA write a story about why are single. Why do people even still make multi Kim sitcoms when the office and thirty rock or superior You know this is what actually this generation wants And I talked to Mike sure You know it was a podcast. CASSAR creator the good place parks and recreation wonderful guy and he was so patient with my snotty nose. You know he's basically like people US TV in different ways and that's okay because some people turn the TV on their long day and the rhythms of two and a half men or whatever or the same rhythms that were on TV. When I came home from school at five PM and the last game when they came and that's comforting? That's that's noodles and broth right and that's a great thing to enjoy. Its from your childhood. They should also have room in their heart for the young pope or the new hoopoe which you know which I love and is a hard. Watch a super weird But you can't have a successful medium or you can have a successful conversation around it unless you can hold both in your in your mind right at the same time you want. It's not either or people. Don't like paradox particularly people people consuming. TV shows. I don't think they like what they like. And they get very militant about it and I don't know I haven't watched all this all episodes. I'm enjoying it thoroughly. Thanks I was actually at the gym watching on the on the on the the link you gave me someone's like hey. How'd you get that really? It was like that's bio patch. Hey it's now pretty cool and I also had already explained this but how do you. How do we do this where we have to have some mother platform? Because I still believe that whether it's social media that turns into this union mind or its food in critics. How do we support the people that we how do we make? It's not inception but like how do we make sure you have more opportunities. I WILL WATCH BRIAR PATCH ON LINEAR television on February six. But I I don't know I think he can't leave it up to anyone else but the world of creators and people that put stuff out there which is why I want want this to be a platform for anyone to be like. This is what I'm doing. This is why it matters to me in no bullshit like it'll like kill me if people love it. 'cause I've given everything I can to this. That's the stuff that is moving to me where it's like wait even if it's not perfect it's perfect like it's your grandma's cooking perfect. I mean that's how that you're saying something that I feel uncomfortable saying but it is true like I love these types stories. I love crime stories. I love story and I and I and I love things that are funny and weird tired and moving but also I wanted to see if you could use the Take the armor of Anwar where people dress awesome look awesome and always know just what to say and what drink order and then over ten episodes you blow the off them and you find out the emotional reasons underneath and I used at the start of the show I would joke that the subtitle for Briar Patches. Rosario Dawson talks to Weirdos at the end I was telling Rosario point blank that the real subtitle is goes to therapy once and I'm proud of that it's been more than once but you know some of these ideas about like forgiving yourself or acknowledging your own complicity or your relationships with family that we take for granted all these things the motivate me to pour into a fun shaped box that was that was the goal and we talk about this two months or three months after. Or let's say it's it's like a DVD thing and it's like behind the scenes. It doesn't have the same impact in my opinion. Because it's already been out there and you get desensitized a certain thing a raw nerve right now. Right I totally and no one really gets the see this. This is the craziest most dangerous point in the process. It's not the actual making of its when you've done on the fucking work. He was so much I spent all S. You're being like give me one day off. Give me one day off and then I come blinking into the new year. And I'm still busy but it's like we're not doing the MIC stage until two. PM AM or actors are coming into eighty yard eleven and all of a sudden. It's like Holy Shit. Give me something to do because what you want me to be alone with myself for four hours now not right now. Okay let's the Briar Patch comes out what's what's next. Are you going to go on holiday well. Are you going to read the reviews. Are you going to just go to. I WanNa take a holiday but I also WANNA get going. You know I WANNA do more. I have another project that I'm supposed to be writing something for At during this supposedly I don't know I just don't know what it's GonNa feel like you know and so maybe it's GonNa feel great and I'll go on vacation or maybe it'll feel weird. They'll just sit in my car in a parking lot and look at my phone. I don't know I'm just trying to be open to it We are on the ringer network. It's a lot of sports so I'M GONNA leave you with this one piece of advice and it is now like way too much for me to do because people think it's too extreme once thinks one something is good in some. Something's done I immediately or anything good happens I immediately forget about it. It's like I internalize it. Isn't that bad he yeah. Yeah and it's a lot like bill belichick. Whenever he wins the Subaru is like who cares? What an recently next season? We gotta get ready. Yeah and I think that's maybe like your your. Your approach is okay. Because I think it's going to be well received and I th- hopefully people watch it in droves and you do get season two but this is your first I fucking show. I'm excited to see what's coming next. I think he got I. Think the only counter I would say to the bill belichick thing is find ways to enjoy it along the way because there were plateaus. I got to make a pilot how great the old the old Jewish song of Diana like that would be enough -Oday onset where Rosario is amazing. We all have a lot of laughs. Be present enjoy that because that is worth enjoying because you can't control what comes next great advice when it's done. Don't don't wait until the end to be like pat yourself on the back because you're not gonna be able to because you're going to be losing it but also yeah then it's probably time to take lessons and move onto the next thing but that's good device for me. Yeah I never enjoy it either. I guess you make it just keeps saying it in. Sometimes it trickles through but but listening to you talk about. It helps me when you go so Briar Patch on USA. What days as a ten the ER slot baby? There's this and if you miss it it's going GONNA be available in the network and then eventually it will probably be on a streaming service but you gotTa Watch live man come on it's TV this streaming man. This is TV all right. Andy is such an post opening diaries. I'm ready and you should come on the watch talk about TV media Delicious comes out. Because that's a whole other conversation. Oh my God now Anderson why you don't want to light up all the credits friend. I'm a friend to Arvid. Thank you thank you. Andy can't wait to watch the rest of of Briar Patch. USA Network always has some good TV Envir- patch. I'm hoping is a massive head. This is the first pre-opening diaries that we've done. That wasn't a memorial restaurant. So thank you to Andy Greenwald for coming on being vulnerable and sharing his worst fears about this process it is nerve racking and Andy is such a good guy and a brilliant creator and I wish him nothing but the best and I think it's a great opportunity for people to come onto this podcast and sort of shoots shed and enrich the conversation for people that might not understand the the actual TV show or anything else so again Whatever you guys are doing please come on this show if you are about to finish a creative project act and we can do a prohibiting? Diaries sent an email in at ask. Dave major DOMO MEDIA DOT COM or send us a DM on social media myself with a day. Chang show anyway. It was a very painful weekend because a lot of people were saddened by the tragic loss of Kobe. Brian and eight others on the plane concluding his daughter Jonah it's been just add. It's been a real real bummer. And it caused me to think about a lot a lot of lot of things and it's unfortunate and terrible that it's happened and some tough conversations have been had about Kobe Bryant his legacy but I have mostly been moved because of the people that I care about a my life that grew up watching Koby. They've been you know. Doc Doc robe as a Lakers fan. But I've always respected his game but I was genuinely saddened for the loss but particularly for the people in my life that I love the Lakers and love Kobe Bryant and grew up watching him and his mom mentality. And it's never easy and to watch Kilo Neil reconcile after he died and to watch Jerry West talk about how. Kobe was incredibly special in his life. I recommend you guys to watch what happened on TNT NBA or beyond td. I can't remember but if that wasn't enough with Kobe. Passing our friend Jason Poland terrific illustrator raider cartoonist artist was featured in a variety of things. We used to work with them quite a bit on lucky peach staff. He was one one of the best people. I know wildly beloved Christiane who is a producer on this. PODCAST brought him lucky peach with Walter Green. It's hard talking about this stuff guys. it causes you to reflect upon a lot of things and what's important in life and we miss you Jason. It's it's incredibly sad that you were taken away from us you know. He passed away from cancer at the age of thirty seven. Please visit his work. He he drew a lot and He's got some books out there. And he was a prodigious artist and regardless of his talent as an artist. I think what I will always remember about. Jason was it just him being one of the sweetest nicest people on the world and It's a it's just really sad and to the the people that were much closer to him than myself. I know how devastated they are. And it's been a tough couple of years in the food world in general and my heart goes out to him his family into all his fans that followed his work and I don't know of New York. City will be the same without him writing being in drawing all of his thoughts and every person in New York loss to a great artists and our good friend without being sad. I don't think I'm GONNA do a Any questions. Austrians are emails I don't think it's appropriate. I didn't really know if I was GonNa talk about this stuff today but Tell your friends and family that you loved them and give them a hug touch.

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"Hi. Casey Hi Danielle good to be back with you in the morning light. Great to be back with you. My curtains are all drawn. I'll. Cly. Sexually. How are you? What's going on? I'm actually good this morning. And you WANNA know why. Yes, I've gotten myself some new pillows. To sleep on, that is elected. You know it truly physically and metaphysics actually actually. I can live my ass that like it's all okay. But these pills and I'm gonNA tell everybody. They're not from a source. You would think you could find the pillow. Is there Baghdad? No, this is not an ad when I should have I should be sponsor because guys. This pillow isn't from you. Know your irregular betting associated Brad Bath and beyond. The different! These pillows are brought to you by Claritin. The drug company. He's. With. From now one wouldn't think you're GONNA get a good pillow from a pharmaceutical company. Suitable Rats, no I went out, but guys. 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You heard that the neighbor above him passed in. Said could I have that bed. Oh No! Yes. What your Todd Wilson and his wife. Have slept for years in what they call the deadman's bed. Yes, and it's a king, and when my husband and I go to visit their like you guys want to take arm like anywhere else. We're good. SNOUT! Talk, myself, because when I moved to La I found a twin mattress in the garage of my apartment building. Inside the garage out so I don't know who had brought it. Anyway it rid themselves of it. Because maybe it was infested with a creature exactly like you're not putting your mattress out in such a hurried fashion like that. Unless something's gone very wrong, there was a slight what I thought to be a coffee stain man. It was a win and I marched ramps in my place, and I use that for a few years. You were on a murder bed case I heard. Things where you can get them of course sometimes, you need to get a pillow from claritin. These are all things. Or, better man. This life ended. In. And go a one time thing, and it's not that someone could die multiple times. It's more just like. was He find that it was like that night i. Know he was gravely ill in that bed for a year, so he sunk. He died in that bad that bed. Each piece of life that passed out of him went into that mattress. Right is soiled as they come. Chrissy. Brother has some. Tribute, Mike I'm sorry I. Dare Burn a Fucking Candle. Do not take his case to. Say that it's so disgusting about him. Is that he's a medical device engineer. He's always cooking up things and he actually has great success in the field of like finding things that will help people with major problems. Jazz right now, deep-vein thrombosis he has like a new products coming out for it, which is helping people who are in like terrible pain, so I salute him. Yes, but he also has to find a path to find these projects and defined as newburgh ideas, and so we had some idea involving. DC's as you know my. Favorite talk you say that and yet you bring it up all the time, we. Shop in. Though. He had somebody you know. He's like I. I really need to get into the microbiome space, and that's what we're learning a ton about. How and Mike Okay Okay I can go there and he's like you know so. This is one again. Dave and you know my husband David Four Seasons cast again i. want everyone to know. I grew up the nicest vacation I went on was camping I deduct with? My husband has kind of ushered. Meet you a world that has made me a monster. My brother says these suffer from off Lanza and I. Know No one's GonNa like any of us just. So. Scared okay and so my brother's like well you guys. If you don't mind not going down in the basement bathroom and we're like okay. What am I? David La-. What's happening? It's just I've been running. If you experiments not said with life laughter, and he's a very funny guy, but this is dead. Asked here is just like what you'd be like. You know what I have. My like movie script down there like up on the board you know. Everyone that's based alone right like my project along where he has been that, he's put inside the toilet where he catches the shit of his wife and daughter and threw it. Out. And he goes, but listen I had always loved new specimen. We're like I Know I mean we should have Ramona. And Ham get your IRA. Frayed perfect, little turds! Women around that bowl, really something. Your brother is a hero and disgust. Yeah, like this is how medical advancements are made case. They don't just get made from sitting around. They get made from sifting through your wife's Shit and I. He and his wife have relationship. It's like. Can you imagine being like Oh hey? You, WanNa get to work like get ahead, get to step in. And He's like Oh. Thank God. Clementines potty trained now because of course because we can catch it up. It's more solid to now which I'm sure that's helpful. Now I have to anyway, this is a we've taken a turn. We've taken awhile. Turn and CLARITIN A. Now I also have to say Casey that. What are you doing in your beauty routine right now? Because something's looking great, like what are you? What you! Are you serious? Meaningfully No? I? Would I say that I joke? Device Carrington Nothing. Now? I'm doing my own nails. I got my hair colored my banks cutting the backyard. That's really it, but no one knew like face, mask or anything. I did okay I can't. That's how I did. It for Mother's Day. It's like massive goes interface with like one of those infrared lights. I think it's called Dr Brandt. Andrew, rannells turned me onto. You turn it on for three minutes. It actually comes you. It's like something about light therapy and I look like a demon from hell like my whole face lit up, read. My children are terrified and it's three minutes isn't doing anything. I sounds like yes, it is. And you feel anything when that's happening. It's just a light. It's like light therapy, so it Kinda helps with acne or just helps with. I don't know what's in Yon. Just grasping at straws here now you look your skin looks great. I know everyone is struggling during this time and and. I have the best possible version of it, but I will say you know at thirty nine as an actress to go down these two years. When your face you know should be out on. That screen is hard. I'M NOT GONNA lie. It's hard. That's a hard year. It's it is. It's the will. I ever come back. The answer is no I think I know it is I know it is so I'm like trying to. Do what I can! No, there's you know guys. You have to know that every time I see Casey now and knocked me because this is a woman who I don't think drank water before the age of thirty five. I've been hospitalized three times for dehydrates like this. I've never seen her and every time I see her now she has. It almost looks like a large baby bottle like it's as large as like torso. Of Water but sort of looks like a baby bottle and she always sipping it up. You know how much disdain I have for women that carry water bottle. Yeah is like a problem for me. It's like we get a you like to be hydrated. Okay, we see. Yes, it's not about the environmental I love that aspect of it, but just the women that are clutching them so smug like just gotTa. Fill this up again. It makes me think no me, too, but then therapists said perhaps that's me. You know finding fault with them. Anger at them instead of simply hydrating myself since I've had many medical things crop up to no water. I got this. It's called K. NO AD. It's an interesting name doesn't off the time what? We. We. Why. You you, I. It's Queer Fit. Creep it. Never noticed. No can I ask you a question and this is personal. Does it make a? Have you been more Cuiv quake-prone? No weeping is just not not a bit since then not really because maybe a que- a water like you know when you have a lot of water in your body and you got. US cleaned this build life on the big things is built by the, but then the strap says quy fit, and then it has like lines going up and down at embarrassing to try to you to drink at seven am. It says good marning now. How? You've got. At eleven at says, Remember Your Goal L.! That's IT and at three PM it says keep drinking five PM. No excuses seven PM, a little bit more and nine pm. Done. Only gets. You've got this in my nine am. All Day takes nine am eleven. So look. These are Claritin Hashtag not add yeah, they're just as we. Get you to get you through the day, so another thing that's happened is that my daughter has begun to tell me against the second time in her life. That I am not her mother. This is not the first time okay. This is the second time I thought. We had gotten over the Hump I. Don't know what I've done to her, but this morning she's like. So. My mom is taking me today where we going. She's like no my real mom. Her real fairy that that live somewhere else, but she. She says that's a real mom and she's like. My daughter's birthday is coming up in a few days. She's like she gave me an early birthday present. Using using. Fairy yet, you and making less, she should be on rossides she is. She's a master manipulator. So that's what I'm dealing with today and I wanted her real mom better. Her real mom got her some jewels. And what are you planning on getting? A game. God. To be my mommy. No I. Don't want me either, but she he's looking. Anyone, she could get her hands, and also some American girl doll clothes, but they're not American girl doll. They're the target brand the cheaper brand but I tell them heard their American girl. I'M GONNA. Say What Marianne, Williamson. Former presidential candidate always says about things like that Danielle. What did she say? Everyone knows everything. We're all plugged into an collective unconscious. She knows in heart, but those aren't real American and that's why she's telling me I'm not her real mom. She's like if you're not gonNA, give me real closed. You're not my real. Now. Did you get the actual doll? She have actual doll Harrogate American girl doll. It's all fake. It's all. What's it called like American heritage so? fucking expensive. They're really expensive. It's disgusting and it's all the same, and she doesn't fucking knows no. I'm kidding you but I salute this. Yes, so all fake all fake dicusss spend that amount of money on a doll exactly, but again now she's not calling me her realm. So what are you GonNa? Do now speaking of someone who spends a lot of money on dolls. I saw the David Foster documentary you. Was a strange way, but I think it does where it when I think about him with Yolanda. He does collect dolls five marriages he does. I know. There's a lot going on right now in our time, and it's a very charged time and I have taken all of my anger and funneled it directly at David Australia, really and if you watch this documentary, which I actually urge you to. A safe place to put your anger and deposit and yell at the screen. You will find a home here. So I don KNAPP. There's like a new David Foster documentary and what I think is like you know what this is. The last fucking thing we need to see another like white guys. Story Been Rich White Guys. Door makes most schmaltzy music knows uninspired music like every song he does is each artist were song a song? He is like he makes the Muzak of the music industry, or did he do? I will always love you I mean and that was Dolly originally, but okay and I was like okay. You know okay, because every other song is like the most embarrassing Josh Rogin song great singers, but he's like forced them, and even they are like know like syrup. A bomb. You know very heartfelt tone like nobody likes him. It's very fair and so many talks about Whitney's I will always love. You. I was like well. We gotta give bathroom and come on. This is, and then he's like now. Of course, he's like the opening acapella part. That heart was Kevin Costner's idea And then I'm thinking right, but whoever created that boom and not the end the middle. That's a genius. That of course was clive Dave. Really like what the fuck did you do then? He argued with Clive Davis that he didn't like that version. They argued for like a year over it and Clive Davis timely, said on the phone I just said, David. This is the one and put the phone down and it went on to make him all the money to buy that. We are clear fridge. A real biggest fucking wreck and the biggest asshole of all time. His kids struggle in every frame to figure out a way to like make him look nicer like he well. He wasn't there for us, but he. No he did yesterday some of our calls. Yes, he did. He would answer our call. And he would just leave his family's leave all the kids behind, and then he the way he rationalize it. He's like yeah I worked a lot. But yeah, what are you GonNa? Do like? He never bothered he just as such. You know those guys. He is the embodiment of white privilege. He just dripping with narcissism dripping, although he does give him also gives himself credit for being the first reality show Prince's I watched every frame of that show, and I'll give him that like. That's the piece of his career I will salute. That's the that's what you will give him. Every artists even Barbra streisand is like David. Really something like they cannot find a kind word what is? What is Kitty? Cat mcphee say about hitting cat basically trashes him. She's like he is not evolved. You know he's not part of our generation so often times. She's like Kitty. Cat Foster can't think of anything nice to say so. She's genuinely industy. My shoes like attracted him and she likes him, but she's like you know I guess I. Think I'm put on this planet to just help David become more evolved. You never wants talk about his feelings, and he's always really hurting people and. David like that really hurt people. Yeah, it's just like endless people that have been put in front of the camera that he gave opportunities to, but they don't like him. I'm like. Why are we doing the documentary about this guy? I don't know how many said. This is what we wanted. Okay now, this is worth it, okay. Like, so David, you know you've been on Giuliani shows, so he takes a ton of credit purposes of Malibu, and they show clips of him on it where he is a monster screams the whole time awful. And then he goes I. Really didn't want to do real housewives, but I did that for you longer. I did that for London, he wasn't. You know what a lot of people try to tell me that I left. I left her when she had lyme disease, and I left her because she was sick, but I love you London for a reason that I'll never tell any. In it's like so cryptic dark. Why do we think it is? I think it's that she had lyme disease. I'm not laughing. The line I'm just laughing at that. He's a master manipulator. He's like your daughter with the ferry and he's like. Pretending they're something so much darker because he's starting to got. He got an inkling that that wasn't cool that. He left a woman who was very ill. He did say he got himself solemin. Didn't he say? She say! There there. There's a lot of symbolism of lemons that run Benny goes. Okay. Sorry lasting now. So he's got all these kids even has a kid who he had when he was eighteen people adoption, which is like okay. You know that's what happened, but he's like yeah I reconnected with whatever any make it up. He's like I reconnected with grace. You know when she was in her thirties. And you know I don't have time for that relationship, but. He stayed. It was like I. Don't have any time for that relationship in. He's a monster. He's a monster. Do you think that he and cat? We'll have kids? I hope not I, do you do I? Do and you know I love those foster? John like he's so funny and charming and genuine and cool. I think despite David, obviously, he had no hand in raising them. It seems to me I caught myself a documentary that. Was Beautiful little our. Show Biz kids guys get on it. It is done by. Bill or Ted not. Reeves the other one the other one sure he'd live here for. At least he has something we can call them I. Have I have none of that, but he is he. Stars one. Wil Wheaton. Mara Wilson. Jada Pinkett Smith who is? Fascinating it. The red. Table talk is like a you want me to do and I'm table. Talk is best show things. She's putting out there. It's like one minute we're hearing that. You know. This rapper said that you know. He had an affair with Jada while she was with. Will next thing we know there's will and Jada she takes. itself to the Red Table She's like I'm going to take myself to the Red Table. She's not afraid of anything not I would never take myself to the Red Table. You kidding me. I love her I. Love Her. I love her daughter. I love her mother. Love them all. That show is the best. The best one get it on fucking. Netflix's yes I mean, but guess what I don't need you Netflix's. I can watch it on Youtube I'm fine. You're right. I'm having easy time accessing. There's no problem I can watch. There's there's a rumble. There's no issue it's the best best show on TV. Yeah that. Is Amazing. Yes, Wil Wheaton. Who I had major crush on. Because as you know I, don't go for like. The hot like I'm never the one that's going to go for the River Phoenix and stand by me. I'm always going to go for like someone. I think I can get like you did with Steve Sanders on Beverly Hills Nine O. Two and I'm like I'm always going to be like who who am I worthy of I think will is an option for you I. Did I know now? Oh, yeah, well. I think we're okay. He seems a bit. Angrier. Yeah Yeah. There's anger there and that we all have angry. Of quit is of very amazing documentary. About Child Stars Yeah so everyone get your eyes on. It is not as devastating as the documentary about child actors called Oakwood. Isn't that what it's called or think? So? That was about like all these kids that live in do quds, but it's still got US devastation. Even just we're seeing baby peggy. WHO's like this silent screen baby from the nineteen twenties? And I think she was still with us when this was made, and she's amazing. It's amazing amazing. Wow y'all. We've covered a lot I mean you know what book I read last thing before we bring our armies and gas. That you told me to buy. I've read cover to cover in about five seconds. Is the Chiffon trenches so? Daily on Tallies Book about his time. I did not know first of all he comes from the deep south quickly gets himself in. Diana quickly becomes the receptionist at Andy Warhol's factory in interview magazine then quickly becomes goes to women's wear daily then works vote for Anna wintour early his career what he has seen. Beautiful I'm unmatched. He touched, and I was crying during the Book Crying Course Multiple Times. It's beautiful. And I really like him me, too, but and there's so much damage there, and he's been through so much just he's seems world-weary, and with all right be, and it broke my heart a little bit, but he's also a phoenix that keeps rising from the ashes. He's beautiful and someone that we've spoken about yes a ton on our podcast for some reason. His best friend was Lee radziwill. Man What's interesting about that as he says that like his grandmother, who raised him that? When Kennedy was sworn in and Jackie O were that like famous for walks, had or whatever the hell. It was that that was like his first label. Moment of like I love fashion I love what I'm seeing. His grandmother kind of was taking her style like accused from Jackie Owen, so he really grew up with that image in his mind, and then to kind of live your life best friends with Lee radziwill I mean it's quite a sprawling story. Maybe reviewer you should be I mean again. This is part of our I. Know You guys always say it's not. But I believe we are sometimes we'll say. I think June said it to us. Idea for a defense at I've tried to bring up a book. And she said the booksellers Schneider I believe. I think we should take a quick break to comeback with a beloved guest, and then I'll just tease at the end of the show. We have a segment where we're gonNA cover a below. Deck Med, which is, we are just in the throes of. Correspondent coming onto chat about below deck. Might we have a big big show? Big Show big show. We're back and I just quickly went up. We know Danielle over the break our producer. Dana told us she also has the CLARITIN. Continue mazing guy everywhere. Get your drugs and your pillows from the same place. Easy peasy. Now. Our guest. He's a dear friend of mine. He's a hilarious writer. We worked together many years ago on Telenovela together as writers. He's just a lovely human being. Please welcome Marcos Louvain US so great to have you. Show and to not be I'm glad we're in a virtual network in our own little home nooks, which is important. We're safe where sound and that's really kind of how the world is I. Feel like we're all not only in our own personal nooks, and then in like the neck of our minds for like little. Can't. The NOOK has become a prison if you will. And I was I wanted to say that. You. But you know it is a lovely prison. I'm going to get right into. It is bluestone manner. Dinner. It's just the the holiday that we all look forward to every year. It is our holiday like for me when I have to tell you guys when I get to bluestone manner, and I dropped my bags up and I comment, and then welcomed by render and I find my room and I. You know I settle in it with the big roaring fire and in the gross decor. You've ever seen and even grocer now. Even worse, I would say. I would love to say that the money was poorly spent. Exciting I think it looked better when it was knee high and water. There me to now, and I love that she's leaned into the fish room of it all so now there's like a shark another fit like she's really leaned into Brenda if you tell her you hate something. She's like I'm going to do it. Like and I appreciate that everyone gets efficient. Their bet it's it's just it's. It's a houseful full of fish heads. Just a bunch of fishy smells. Well old VAGINAS. All the giants Wafting Thrill Colin Cowie dinner calling how? WanNa just quote. During the right off the bat. Okay, really made me laugh because we were your last week to talk about the Berkshires like we really need to get into olive, because it's so important, but as into said, let's relax, relate we set. These like weird kind of off slogans always like picking things off of a me massage. She's, but it's not like one. Everyone's passing around your now. She needs to put that on a pillow and input that pill on one of her hideous couches hazardous it's. What the fuck is happening with her testimonial with the color. So much color, also Ramona's testimony of moved away from the Fridge de notice that maybe she worked like Ramona. See Her your refrigerator on your oven anymore. We really need to someone on line. Sad and I'm not sure it was a listener sent me a comment that. Why does the beverly? Hills testimonials still look amazing like even though they're at home but New York looks like it's like public access. I think that's just the difference between beverly. Hills Women New York women. They've got their pin lights and they're. They're just even I have a fucking diva and look at me, you know. I think there's just they don't mess now they don't now. Can we talk about what we're seeing in last last week's episode because it was chaos from the jump, and it seemed to start with Lou not wanting to pay. I mean pay. More than. Two hundred dollars for a performance for performance. She probably makes twenty thousand dollars doing when you say Danielle I would say at least yeah. Absolutely I went to one of the shows in Los Angeles in it was a huge theater, and it was packed, and it was not that great I could've used some Sonia in it I could used a lot of guests in it. You could use some cabriolets now. That was the other argument. Because you know Lou, Ann was like I basically started. You know cabaret like that's basically hurricane like I invented cabaret and then I. Forget who a pointed it out. Maybe it was Yummy Tummy pointed it out. I can't remember I was all set. It was Yummy Tummy I think that pointed out to Lou. that. That's only has been doing cabaret forever and then lose i. no shoes doing Cara less, which is not a real thing. So that's why I hate heather. Because she was always the one pointing out things that were like I misspoke maybe need this year again. Nobody did yeah. I you do need those jobs Aaron. I need Gills Aaron back on the show I saw an instagram live conversation between Milan and angels' there. She was just talking Shit about Ramon sixty or sixty whatever birthday party and she was really going in and bats it back on the show like don't be. Invited partially because she wasn't invited partially just because she was like what woman in her sixties like? A sixteen year old. For her birthday party like acts like a crazy immature teenager. and. It was a weird age. I believe she's sixteen threes, which is not an age. Everyone's like okay. It's this big sixty third. Let's throw a party Ramona is the most narcissistic. On Earth truly but that opening of last week's Berkshires where they are screaming at each other. It was a sprawling seen. It lasted maybe like ten minutes to screaming crying. We moved locations in the kitchen and Arinda suddenly. Shame on you. Would you love to do the Brindell love to be like? Shame on? You were like she's suffering. What does she always say about the friends? Are we so sad? Yeah, I forgot something, but she's like she's and pay. Don't use e, and then she immediately gets mad that she's like I'm the one that stick up for you. In the same breath, so defense on has already mad that she had to. And that the she's such a shit store. She literally gets mad of other people aren't as bad as she thinks they should be about things it's. I don't even know who was mad at who in that fight? It changed so many times because everyone was mad at Lou for the money, but then every then lose started crying, so then everyone was mad because Liu was crying and in pain and then. Sonia tip backwards in her chair. All, And then. It was beautiful. It was like a Robert Altman film like in an estate on a cold and stormy night. I was happy to be there, but also wasn't happy about. Why didn't the cameras follow us? Follow Bar, what are we? Read. This Kobe also another thing a few weeks go, do you remember when the wind was getting massaged by that dog groomer who she was like cloth widen widened. They follow her home to clearly see her call that guy and have him. Come over like you know that happens or at least like seeing her. Make the attempts where we're the cameras. What were they? Are The cameras twenty four seven on these bitches guy their apple. I want fucking apple watches on their wrists, and even if it's just like waving around and shaky camera I want to look look what we're settling for now testimonial, they're tab lines are done on voice memo here. Little horrible. WHO's forgetting giving? Hear them. But GERINGAS new tagline like a five. Minute my mouth. Crash. You! Had way better lens on hotlines, I. see recruiting. I didn't write them and give Marcos wrote some of them. Another thing Marcos wrote. Some of them are jude. Yeah. He pitched us some and we used them. We used them linked the users that we are though I love that I'm the one that said, thank you much like Ramona. You're the ones that did. That feels right, but feels right up the alley now the way in which. The makeup that happened between Lou and Arinda during the is a master. Make upper. At a put on the charm how to make a joke to blame it on the resume, and yet she has terrible makeup justify. Very actually. After. Joker level snakes near it's it's not great. It's not great, and you don't spend enough time on Melinda. A, Melinda. Yes, I think she will it sister. Melinda fantasists Melinda is the Rosie's is the new Rosie from Jersey. Like just. Someone we love you know like chess-like. Yeah, like I'm here. I'm no bullshit I'm here. I'm get. And I, love her, and I would like more time with Santa's I would like a lot. More time with melons seems like a a salt of the earth. Just genuinely Nice Person. Yes, yeah, that's one of the things I loved about that her. It felt like immersive theatre. People were just coming and going, and you know doing random things I would pay over one hundred dollars to just sit in the corner and watch. Whatever is good. It didn't feel rick of a Web. It did feel like Tony and Tina's wedding like you're just going through the Manchester. And like you're supposed to see scenes vignettes that are going on and see the show. Why got a murder mystery? Like in the one on the one corner, we have a guy from the red line bar. That Lia's picking up. For me, the beard. For that like to watch during the to watch these women, the way they they act, when not even a man, when a warm body shuffled in the way, they were acting towards Colin I mean all of it. Oh the! They were all like just snail trails of Jonah. Jews towards Colin Cowie. S So. I just love being burchard I love Leah with a passion I love. Leah Guys I love her. She's my favorite housewife. That ever a new newest housewife we've ever had. You gotta be honest. I go home road. Right at the gate. I mean she's home. Ryan stood all-star. Perma House Life Flake let's let's petrified that apple just like he perron forever. A hundred she's in that weird. Asked like orange spiderwoman. That look, she's like a circus. Oh Lay dancer like I don't know what it is, but I know I love it like I'm. I'm ninety s delight. Look, it's great. Yes! I feel like she really kind of a our own liberties testimony Latino in one. She's an simply in a sweatshirt and in an interview. They're just not kind of the rules. We're used to flying by and I. think that is the Rowley as playing for us now. Last week's episode when she oh, cycle had. Can Save. You do notice that sweat snap very simple sweat suit. She's wearing is Komo rarely. Simmons Baby Fat. Let's which I appreciate. It and dot was a nice funder back. I really appreciate that while I. Really Think you for catching that Marcos. Info analyse these episodes like does the pruder film just every and I go back watch. I do. I will be for fun going back and watching Las, Vegas berkshires episodes and then Daniel. You were GONNA hate to call you up. Were like Oh yeah, this one's okay. Really kind of lifts off at the Party and I disagree really. Where did you 'cause I last week was such a triumph was such. You know it's like the penultimate of game of thrones, or you're seeing like and this to me was like a little more become, but where did you feel? Even right now at the New York episodes of like what you would call the packing the transition episodes have so much to give us like we're after rainbows where Jaren than comes out in this insane booby outfit and Naming that. Lia's should be wearing a thong. It's just fun I can watch. These women truly truly do nothing, and then we have the scene at the gross spot with. That host. Now I've banharn her sister, who has her sister's a little devil? Let 'em mink soon. When her sister just casually is like you know, mom doesn't like you. was. WHO. That to me was heartbreaking and then. Like. Well, no I mean. She just thinks you've had so much work on which is like you're you're? You're too much where when she's like I only had my tits and my lips done. That's a lot like. She said she wants to get her tips done. That's coming. Her talks on her lips. Okay, but it's all part of the same package Blake. We. Mother bunny sounds like really like not right, which is why we gotta get her on the show. Get the show. US About Bunny because when I see bunny like little flashes of money, she seems more like an intellectual I can't put my. On, drums now bunnies rotten to the core. You don't say that about your own daughter to another daughter. I'm sorry. Right news and I have no doubt she said it, and that's that's your rotten rotten and i. want to see you on my TV. A SAP rotten, rotten now. Red Rover Red Rover somebody. Now I didn't know the Mario is in Florida fulltime. That is that is a new revelation. And now I could've guessed it just by the. Readiness in his. leathery appearances. In the tomato caller. But I gotta say that gave me a thrill. Because as a Floridian I was like. I wonder if I could get him I. See Him I. Don't know about like. Am I in Florida right now? No, do I plan never going until covert as for no, but I did see like I could see him out at the at club Boca and get a real like I think we could hit off. I think we could be something. Am I married? Of course what I leave, my husband never but i. do feel something strong towards Mario and I'm happy. He's in Florida. Does he does seem like the type of guy who has like a hard out at age twenty five like he seems like no women above twenty five, but I don't know, but I I could be wrong. I could be wrong yet. Marcos thank you for using not me. You know that was one of the most uncomfortable dinner. Find. Avery, to be rotten, too I don't care who wants to fuck and comment for us. She is like you can just tell. She's Ramona's daughter. Ramona is the worst human I think we have on reality. Television and I can tell it's just a little mini it will do. The idea is right. That party was just a full Maga- rally. Yes, and the way remote, or what an AB was like Mommy and daddy were just like the three musketeers I felt badly, but also is just so awkward and Ramon I feel like heard somewhere that it's cool to be. Couple than like trying I've class. The one saving Grace Avery I will say that she did raise one and a half halfway decent parents and I will say she did she did. It feels like she is the periods in that in that relationship. I know well from the book. The RAMONA coaster which i. read cover to cover it. And Ramona would never say this because she doesn't have any self reflection, but it does seem that avery really did raise the raise that couple. So so I'm wrong about every. she had a lot on her plate growing up. It's I. Shock I would like to get into some of Sonya's. Things that happened this week on the show her. Michigan. Or Michigan now, Casey, you pointed something out to me. We all know that well first of all Sonya was speaking at Wharton School of business, which was a shock, an Ivy League school where people showed up to hear what Sonia same about business. When we know, she did look hassle. But even for one or two students of this fine academy to show up me like I want business advice for this woman. In a sinking town home in New York pits filled with. Businesses have not made one dollar. No, not a one. So that was funny, but then she went to not sit Shiva, but but. Tend to a woman who's her friend whose mother was dying and This is what she had to say about her friend mother. They were waiting for the past. You know I think it was kind of like about the time. And Sonia says this about it. I was weekend waiting for the other shoe to drop in. And of course she died today. Dreamland considerate of that of that woman to pass away after Oh. Considerate Marcos of that dying woman. Not Sonya and her townhouse and her assistant and the toilet running in the way when she was talking the carpet salesman, she is everything. She's another one she's. She's tastic. never never let her go. Why is she sinking this money to like Redo the townhouse to make it look different is that? Is that going to work? I think realtors are telling her like if you WANNA. If you want to read this place out, why doesn't she sell it? Why aren't we selling it? Then have someone. Just rip it down like I. Don't understand why why we're starring. Trying to preserve, is it? The is the Morgan family townhouse like I just don't know. It has to be like bringing in more. I don't know it probably is her. Now. Here's one of my favorite things. Okay, two things I have to say Ramona has a sister. was anybody else shocked by that? Shock shocks? Who's never been on the show before? Never been never been mentioned. I don't believe largest. Her but I would say she's gorgeous. I was just like gorgeous woman. And seemed normal. And No. Disagree And then this was my favorite thing that Bravo dead and God bless. Mush kisses to Bravo. How dare they count every single one of Ramona's? Fred, they walked in the door. They're going to do it. You know they're doing nail at I. Don't know about you guys. I had anxiety the whole time. Fifty women in their sixties, dancing on carpet and heals I'm just doesn't E. R. Accident Waiting to happen. Yes in front of this bard was so sad when Ramona was wanting everyone to see what the par said. Bedroom standing in front which look about look. How cute remotely! Like. That Ramon is just a very deeply deeply person, but unfortunately I think she's so unseld aware that she's actually quite a happy person. That's the dream next the dream I hope I could be as unhappy and happy as Ramona and that was so fucking ugly. Use The all the tables. Did you ever go to those crunch gyms where they had those horrible hands? An arm and a hand, and it's like he puts on the table. I thought it looks so gross. It was awful, and and that sort of thing like it's thrown is living room. Everyone comes to Ramona's I. Bet none of those women have ever hung out at Ramona's. It is not a hank. She is not a out person and go off. The tongue like comes Ramona's living. Like, not at all the one thing is. She probably didn't have to pay anything for it because she got during and Sonia to take those pictures at the at the party place a few weeks ago, that was likely a free party, but it still looks like Shit. It was not not not at all. Yes, not a time. I know Ramona's on a lot of things, but it is deeply weird that she wanted Leah to not come with their boobs out, and then when did show up? She was like. Okay! This is a good Christopher. Start a great good. Bragging men were around cake like it's OK. Eighty on. Man! Oh Mona so competitive. I think she's such a vindictive person and such a scared person. It's like it's truly dark, and it's truly unsettling. Do I did love that she? You put out that mandate that she was the only one who wasn't GonNa, everyone else come in black and white, but only she was going to wear red or pink. I'm not sure, but I love. Half of her friends just ignored a like. Fuck that we're doing last time. They didn't need to out disinterested and I know they've probably like focused on this for editing, but I actually don't think so. They were doing like sweeping crowd shots when Ramona was speaking, people look like giving her no respect like and of course our women and it was like a fucking repeat of the battered women's shelter speech, but we're rennick kept grabbing the MIC which is shocking by Ramona's friends. Just kind of looked like. They had no respect for her except for Dadi Allen and that one who wear the headscarf. What is her name? Again I wrote it down. I love. Like something yeah, it is like Liza Minnelli. What's her name I? Love her arlene her. He's truly wild the amount of time. I have fifty friends between call every single day, and they look up to you and I. It's just so. And then Sonia Oh, can we talk about that? You got booted out of a club after singing. Hello Dolly. I can't believe he ran. Out of. The Club, a gay club, which is very hard to get of from speaking from personal experience. especially like if you saw Sonja, Morgan I I would think that's a perfect person in a perfect setting. Go wrong here like anybody WANNA see her. We WanNa fear singing how what happened? No, you're absolutely right Casey. Someone like you know her or like. The both of you walk into a game where you have carte blanche to basically do anything you can go behind the. Ever heard it's healthy. You could maintain the bar start making drinks, or just you know, find the deed and scribble out the person's name and write your own. You could basically do whatever you want to. It's it's it had to be pretty bad. It had to be pretty bad I, mean I can't I would love to know whoever knows. was there then night lease Tallus because I? Can't you were there? I know you're listening this? On it listening to we know you're here. Again another. We were the cameras where you've. Got The business school, Shit, we're. We're the cameras at that gay bar. We want to see on eighty yourself. I WANNA see selling your junk off our ask go out. I mean. Why are we having to like? Listen to a page six headline. That's not fair to us. No! Even if we had these women wearing, remember on those prank shows. Everyone had to wear those glasses. We just have those women in those glasses all the time just to get their view of it. That's fine to right. Need it on them all the time. Now when Ramona came down the stairs in those sparkles. Okay. We have to say with Akilah email best. Oh, it's so funny! Okay well first Keila, green our friend was emailing us about about Sonia at the Party and she's like Sonia with that sparkle dress, just taking her on and off, just kept take it. Right back on and tag on it. Let's not forget. It had a tag on it of course. Always attacked. She's still consistent with that tag Akilah. Simply put, said just it an email nothing else. There was no co check at Ramona's party. Like, not a face. She didn't say anything else you just. I felt like that was so simple and clear and hilarious. As much volume. Think about other people. It's all about hard as a matter where their coats are. I, thought looked beautiful, and that whole description of the nude slip that was injured in the beautiful green coat i. just lovely I will say when we were getting to the end of the episode before we saw the dancing. Okay, it was just like you know. They show up next for the commercial. And I saw dancing with that tablecloth. I said out loud in my room to no one. Oh No! I've never been allowed I don't know. I got so nervous in Oh my God Ramona's. And she was. She was so Mac be like to stop the production to be like I want the producers I want like what with like. I couldn't understand why she was so upset because it wasn't about that it I don't know. She probably sunk a ton of money. This is her thing. She was so excited she was having a great time. And then this girl Leah who's already pissed about I. Don't get it like from a sane persons perspective bud. She's already sunk all this money and Leah's. She's Jealous Abbott here. She turns, and she thinks this girl is day pasta, which is comical given hormone is. But then to see them on you. Don't want to be. Okay, but like. They were did I think I saw some vaginal lip. Yes, I did. I I saw vaginal lip, and yet it was a blast. It was a blast that, but then did you still at least came over her body language, though she was going to break it up and pull them all off each other, and then she just outright and. That's what I like. It pulled you in like a black hole like it was just like. Yeah, like guys when? I have not allowed so hard is when Ramona's started stomping on that glass coffee table in breaking it. Yes, again, it's because there was carpet and she needs a hard surface to dance on I. Don't blame her for that. She's just trying to keep her ankles intact. Your rights. And they refused to dance floor they did they said well. We're not gonNA. Have a dance. What we're just GONNA have people dance in place for. Did you hear even the producers like Ramona? It's okay and she's like. She went fucking nuts. She's going to quit the show them to quit the show right then and there when they knew were like okay. Yeah, this is a hollow threat. Hallo but I think we are you know and God? Bless him because he keep the train rolling like we are. We're GONNA finish that scene and take our asses right to Mexico. Thank God. That's what New York does so well. We're not attacking full episode like Beverly. Hills In. Mexico who is in another Bush and you know what I love about New York. which which Beverly Hills not at all which is New York, doesn't isn't. The season is building to something. You know what I mean. There's thing thing thing thing. Everything's its own episode everything's. Beverly Hills we've been building to this fucking Denise Richards Things for seven and a half years I, can't I don't you don't care by the time it? Now we're literally waiting. We're watching something to wait. Iceberg Melt. It's I can't Beverly Hills? I feel has one word that they focus on all season whereas New York, it's just like. A hundred words all season it's great. One hundred percent and I. Have to say I don't miss that. The name the slightest I'm having so much fun. I'm loving the Dirigiste Luanne. Sonia kind of triumph burn of like one week. One of them's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking to watch her a by all the size and the other one's a heartbreaking, and we know passive aggressive 'cause. You're like your life is worse than mine. And wanting he's Arinda. Does this whole thing of Lake your wrapped? Around booster manner when it Bo Lou waters game. You floated yourself on out of there. You're such a raft. I just love it. I cannot wait. I'm a warming to elise especially after that cameo that she put out where Ramona's defunct people have. Fantastic I have a theory about at least in theory that least Lisa Ghost. Who died in the late eighteen hundreds adapt by then that's why Ramona is Kathy. were she just can't see her because. It's the six cents that would be a season. Consider The more like open women, and maybe Leah's kind of like a fresher take has become friends with our. How awful wealth well Gosh when Ramona says next week in the preview she goes. She's on bipolar and alcohol, doesn't she? Talking about Lia I think she's talking about you. Because I would come for someone, I would truly leg. I, you wouldn't know the amount of lawsuits I would come them physically if someone told my like mental health business. I mean you wouldn't see him. I thought that was so. Below the belt or am I wrong in a step now? This these, but that's how you. If you go on these shows, people are going to be in your business and they're gonNA use anything they can. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES Past. It's not if it's not true like it's ways now. Should we take a break and come back from Beverly Hills Yeah. We're back with Beverly Hills Marcos feeling about Beverly Hills this season. No, it's it's interesting. 'cause like first of all just love yourself. I'm obsessed these antastic, but she's coming in her own show like she's doing road thing which again I don't hate, but like she really brings a you know a breath of Russia's. You lovely, lovely lady say and I wish she was just. You know involved a bit more because we're getting. You Know Sutton crew again to quote Ramona's and on events in my opinion and We're just not getting as much I think it's could but I'm intrigued I I. Loved I will say the avengers endgame style party that Kyle Hat were a lot of the. Offenders as It was coming back there cropping up now. We're getting brandy NFL can testimony. Now this was at least the episode. We've finally just frame it like we've come to something. But leading up to it, we don't have time. We've got to read veneers. To spend, years are distracting. You don't care that talion well. You know I mean every good scam. Artist has to know at least five languages, so that makes sense that you know she Marcos. You do think she's game artist. I do a little a little bit only because I feel like she's. She's leaning into it herself like with her hamburglar confessional outfit. Is. Kind of giving you a subtle winks and nods like that's you know I think that's what she's doing? She is always dressed like halfway in. In a spy movie like and you know what I mean like I'm a SPA. You know like like cartoonish -Ly spy I? Also was glad that this episode gave us all of these women. All of our elders singing to Wilson Phillips that gave me. Feel like I can be us. In twenty years of like the Indigo Bills Beard Mara. Tomorrow and I've been in at. Kearney elsom is out of many stints and I love Carney on. That's been fun I. Want saw her at Cedars. Sinai in an elevator while I was pregnant, going up to the doctor's office and she had the whole like she commands any room. Slash space. Slash elevator that is in. She just was talking all I love that. No, she was. A blast, even say like Kobe nobody shares this opinion but I do feel Carney, which are this opinion with me? Which is like and Jessica Saint? Clair, we talked about all the time like everyone else is like the only nice thing. What code is to make small talk with anyone and Mike and that's what I miss. I Love I. Am Paulsen Starter. If I see a stranger. I'm yelling atom across the whole park like. You'RE GONNA. Go as we talked about nothing, save the amount I oh, sorry on. The amount of drivers that I've given free council to and Lenton ear to is. I miss it I. It's really they're giving me a guest, and and I miss it. Miss I'm the idea of me like clicking. DON'T WANNA! Talk in Uber. You can now click like you rather not talk I, sacrilege I would never. I Miss Shooting the fucking, Shit with strangers and having a laugh me. Just that's what we're doing here, but yeah I miss like on my dog walks just walking my dog and talking to neighbors now I avoid them like the plague anytime. They come near me. Does there is a plaque? In and they haven't. So we. May Have It. Yeah, really quick everyone, please wear masks on. My son can go to kindergarten bucking selfish assholes convene. One hundred percents. You know you wanna go to a bar, but need to go to school. Now. Can we eat okay? Peaking of stupid girls who don't go to school? Amelia Emilia Gray is a spoiled by. Listening to her fucking talk about what she wants. And a house made me physically ill like fit like the feeling that went in my body. I was angry. Hot. I loved that she was describing a home that was better than the one she currently lives in which is. What are you doing what she lives in a haunted house? Scary Mansion. It Way Lisa in I love Lisa Ham respect for him when when lease the said like. How did I raise these monsters like? I. Don't know because I really likely stat, and how? No? She was so interesting I went in Jim. It can't be on the bottom floor and I can't havoc. You've had I. was just like this Kyle's daughter? Who is the realtor? Yes Sir he's beautiful gorgeous. She has her head on straight I like her. All of those albums Richard Kid Richards kids seem to like they go to. School or they go to work or both like they all even if it's the family business as A child star, they're doing something portion, and instead Amelia grades they to have a pretty refrigerator, and on the wool needs to have a Cabbie Anna. I was like you're disgusting. I'm sorry, but. That assay raise a little bit of a Red Flag for me when lease it was putting their dog and saying you're so Chunky I, agree. Body shaming the dog, not cool not good. Don't do a worry me. My here them here. Now speaking of dogs. When. Brandy was in the car. Sitting. Being made to stay outside. Dog and She's outside your. Window they, cracked. We'll bring your. That planned cries for no. I mean come on. Of course it was. It has guys. I've so naive because I was like. Wow, wow, wow, this because. I was like she's sitting in the car. Wouldn't you just brought her in? If it wasn't planned, I was like this just happened in. It's crazy. I was like put a mic on her like she didn't already have a fucking. Guess. They did have a camera honor in the car. I need luck. That's why I watch these shows because I believe everything and I'm happy to believe everything, so let's get to it. brandy comes in and she. I do feel her her new. Look, it's it's it's. It's a lot. To Take the changes of it's alive just makes me I don't know I feel I've always had this. Randy has something so dark about her. It really like unsettles me. Oh. Yeah, I'm terrified of brand. A IS I. Don't want to say very much, yes. Sorry! I'm sorry guys. Yeah I. I'm scared of her to and I want to remind new listeners and old listeners that the premise of this podcast is that we do not tag any housewives in. It S on our comments. Let's keep all these discussions between ourselves. Happy debate them all within our little group of friends, but minder no tagging just. Tacking about them feels like some of you need some reminders. Yes, pugh reminders. Anyway. So. We ran on a bad yup. And what happens. And then she's like. I'm shaking I. Need some water much KC drinking out of her. Fit Eric We. Are. Brandy needs to keep it. You know. Get gets that traded with water hydrated, and then she's like well. You know I don't like cheating. And it's like I would never cheat with someone in a hey cheaters and my whole thing, my whole platform cheating no cheating, no cheating. I've done a lot of stuff I'll never cheat, and then she's like so I made out with denise that night that they went out supposedly, and that first night that we saw, and then she brought her up and like groom her. Basically, like Oh sorry, you'll have your own room await. There's no room. Oh, wait, there's no pull out. Guess we'll have to sleep together sounds real creepy and. Then stares. Yeah, daughter downstairs, and then basically has sex with her leg, groom, trooper sex, and then the next morning revealed to her revealed to brandy that Aaron actually didn't know about this. Please don't tell Erin I will get in such big trouble. And that broke brandies heart because she's not a cheater, so. It is a different situation to think. I'm having sex with someone that's in an open marriage versus I'm not yes, of course, but of course to have sex with brandy and then tell her not to tell anybody that's on you. Know Yeah. She's podcasting while you're having sex with like you know like you know that it's not you know it's not gonna stay with her for more than five minutes. She was like Oh. When did I start feeling okay, and then He. I love how Randy was like or Kim with. steinle tight. Pony. For Shelley and then she like Randy It was wrong what you reading. Coming over and holding her hand, and my holding her I was like him is Elizabeth, little little wicked, and then after she confesses. Kim Says I'm GonNa do some Rakia. More upsetting. The alliance between Kim and Brandy is a very. Dark Line in that like you know when there's like people are shunning from groups, and than those two people together, it's social like it's what happens, but something about that alliance so dark for Kim I don't want that for cans. No. You do better better. That was the episode like that's all we really built to. We also saw look on Kyle and Teddy's face and Kyle and so right. Okay, so really quick. Denise apparently also said that she's pissed. That teddy just needs the show because you know her. She's been in her dad's shadow. Then we get this bombshell that we that denise has been sleeping with brandy they leave Kyle turns. Hanley riches. It's like nobody cares. I'm talking about the other stuff. But also who hasn't said that about you, Teddy like what have you not heard that that's what I'd like to have. You not heard that you're not in. Your. Dad Shied Teddy Skincare. 'cause I thought it made her blue eyes pop and I hate to have to say I hate that. You set it also feel. I was not a big never been a big fan, but I will say at the beginning of the season. Mean Teddy when Teddy was mean to Sutton. That I was like Oh, I think I like you like. I did also shout out to ourselves. Just simply ask Sutton. Of that much money! I love. You I love this, Summer Heidi Habit. I did and I'm really glad they get denise marooned in Rome before. They ask all this but I bet you. She gets right back on a plane. And it seems from what I'm reading on the on the on the boards, or on the blog that that the reunion just happened and that there was some sort of cease and desist. That's that denise has put out there and it's stopping everything in its tracks, so that's winning me in my tracks from finishing this. Yeah, we need. Put out a season. Desist Bravo. I did love the clip I really hope that these was wearing one of her adult diapers when she heard the news because she came like six times when she heard about that about them having sex. Yes, she did. This is this is her time to shine and then Erica. WOULD THAT WEIRD VEIL? That like comments wearing inclu? Is this. Guy. This has been wonder. Fog is lovely, covered it and. Marcos era. I will see one thing you know. We also saw Kris Jenner in that party. Which I don't understand why Bravo doesn't act. Trek up and just let it go. Let all the bills go and get Christian rock show because they've already fired half of their problematic stars. They have the money like and they're there. Let's let's get Hori on camera. Clearly. I would like to see Faye resnick Kyle. Cam and Kris Jenner on a shell. Guys thank you so much Marcos. You have been wonderful. Tell us where we can find you on social media. I'm Beasley. Best friend on INSTAGRAM. You? Before we. Switch over to my below deck segment quickly put it in a blood. Happy ending a brand new episode, we shot of resumes, actually genuinely hilarious. fucking well, it seems like a genuine new episode which is and you can watch it on Youtube even previously. Put them down when it comes to Red Table Talk, you can watch it, and it's raising money for color world's central kitchen. It's such a funny episode I'm just proud unit and I wanNA. Thank you Casey? Thank you mark. Thank you Marcus thank you Clara ten pillows. Thank. Thank you so much day. Let's head on over low dot. com I'll see you later Danielle. Tackle this went on the high seas alone. Yeah I wouldn't go on that journey with you. So? This is a very special segment and brought in correspondent from across the country. Because we brought, we brought in Blair beacon to discuss a show that. Many of you have called for me to get into. I can't describe the amount of people that want me to get on the boat. They want me to get below deck. Now Glare I've only gotten below deck met I haven't traveled to the other sees yet, so I did my in the waters. If you will and I'm caught up on Below Deck Med at Love Captain Sandy. The season is in full bloom right now. What are your thoughts on this season by are welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. could be back. mypillow thoughts on the season are. I mean honestly it's kind of a boring season. So far I would say having sandy is. Not Given it her best I feel like I. Yeah, there's not enough partying or hooking up. So I'm kind of like left with like this last episode. Beauty Hardy at all. They didn't like it was all about the guests and I'm not necessarily here for the guests. I'm not there to work right or to see I not a play exactly. And there to see them change in their little bunks, I want them to go out. And I feel the release when they go out and party of like I've worked a fully. My who thank God I'm done cleaning exterior. It's like forty eight hours of work. And you know another thing struggling with this season as I like I love, I live for a vote romance, and I not necessarily connecting to the ROB and Jessica Wanders up drama on the now I, think you know this thought me, but like I don't like watching sober people on reality shows. Yeah I mean. I support that journey in real life like I. Great, but like I don't WanNa. See Him on reality TV and There's no place for that here. No. I don't watch TV and I. DON'T WANNA data, but I'm proud of. Yes, so rob! He sober, so he's not getting fucked up. He's not. You know we thought we were going to get a taste of drama when Hannah outed him for being in a relationship. No He. Yeah, he knows about it and I feel like he's got a real vacant stare. That's Kinda Spooky. Little something spooky in that skeletal stare. Ask given me not much I mean it does make me laugh and she's like struggling to open suitcases with a broken finger like I do like that about her. Like when she got had to get a bunch of wine glasses this week, and I'll look like she was just putting them in like the little plastic grocery bag rather than carrying amount of trade. I mean I want to say something, and this is a sweeping statement, but it is the fucking truth. There are no, and you know we've covered every ilk of reality, person and garbage people on the show, but there are no more garbage. People than the guests on Below Deck Med. motherfucking, cake they are disgusting people. I? Let the worst. Would you agree the worst was the group of people from New York like three hundred zero? Guys the dog a Oh my God. He had to keep his dog with a babysitter on shore. Hold, that dog and stroke her knowing he paid for this whole thing with women. It was clear he didn't really know so upsetting. Yeah! What is that? What makes them want? WanNa do that? The dog and then the he had the dog on A. Jesse Point Tragic. It was. Only got and then seeing him like pretend to be an adult when they pulled him in and and they were like. Are you okay with all the service? And he was like yeah, skype. What's happening? How does this guy have money like all of it? And I was GONNA say so. One of my favorite seasons was actually sailing for usefully, and there was an episode on that where they thought the guest cocaine, and so they confronted him, and they like tour. Open his bags and search for cocaine. And there wasn't any I don't know. We'll equally upsetting inside. Yeah, now go is the is the chef and I need more. I Love Kiko. He's just too nice of a person. He's such a sweetheart Kiko is someone I would meet and like treasurer, and think such a lovely soul, but again for a chef. He needs to get those portion sizes up. I'M Doing what I'm watching, I'm usually hungry. And, yet, so, when I see him just bringing out a few Sushi, rolls or something top us, I'm like Kiko get. The fucking buffet! I'm paying thousands and thousands of dollars. That said. I fucking hate those guests that are like that one fucking asshole from last week that was treating him like shit, and just being like this sucks, and I was waiting for my wasters, and this that and the other. He's appeal shit that guy! Totally. We will hear about him in the news and be like. Yeah, we knew. He will eat surface on a national scale. There's always people like that like the guys like manhandle the like a stewardess or something that's. Like the mill on the show run of the mill now. No more white casts. Have we ever had than below deck? My Gosh Yager. Straight White misogynous it's it's out of control the last season of below deck with. Captain Leeann Kate I'm not familiar with Captain Lena I kate. Is that one better than MED. Why was he the last game? Sorry, have to stop because I just saw you end our producer at that question. Turn your heads and stare up to the heavens like. Wait Let me. Really ponder that one. Say. Maybe takes can have. We'll see as you discuss hand as a little checkout right so we're his hand this year. Yeah. Quest she's not with us. She's got a boyfriend ashore. Man Oh I have scoured the Internet Scou-. Dat. And I, really have a love for hand and I. Know You frequently remind me she's a terrible person, but I really happy for her I'm, GONNA MR on on the Super Yacht. I don't know I don't know what this show could be without. Hannah like if they're bringing in bugs, sit takeover of surnames. Bugs in Teddy Mellencamp can just. Go overboard if you know what I mean. What are the things? We've been all just lift up. The shackles are whatever the fuck. The what are the terminology they always use. Like. Yeah like. Shackles up first. And, then we watch the. We know what's happening in and I feel like they can pretend. It's more dramatic than it is. Because they know. Don't know the fuck is happening. Now me out of. Every time they park that thing now. I'm always like. Love Not Mike Yeah. It just doesn't seem that hard. And I know that's upsetting and I know him wrong, but like sometimes I'm like it's moving low like yeah, and I know that's part of the challenge. Yeah I. Just don't feel like Sandy's. Doing that much. We'll sandy is doing a lot in terms of the show and I'm so sorry to keep using boat words, but she's the anchor big time you know. There's been no more generous I've said this million times more generous, sparkling, nice, normal person. I think on reality, and I actually like that person in Sandy's roll like sandy sober. That's where I want I love her. You can tell she's just so beautiful like a Volvo, and I get her. Higher power is actually running below deck. Yeah, I actually forget that she's sober and so. I think that says a lot about how better personality? You'RE GONNA get in trouble for that. Blair and you know we can get in trouble lately. I don't WanNa. Remind people what you said last time. Honestly Casey. I stand by it. I think that it actually I don't WanNa get into a, but I think that it actually holds up right. You energized you just like jump forward. well I thought about it. Okay well I will remind guests and new listeners that last time Blair beacon was on the show she found out you know and Lisa enter been doing documentary all of this about the Ulan dogs and how they eat dogs. Blair doesn't find that to be a big home. I said I said, who are we to say? What animals other countries. And then he will were saying to me like they have used that. They have used the dogs and. Until had I say? I don't know what the fuck is going on with the pigs before we eat them. Can I say. Look you know how this is an open forum. We'll hear about it so. I just think who are we? Today will be punished for your comments. You know what and I'm GONNA I kinda. WanNa retract that because it's. I don't think that I don't want harmon dogs. I see okay, so actually the distinction you're saying it's not that you want to actively dogs or that. You know I know you never want it and I. Know You Love Dogs, but you're more dislike. We can't police. We're eating meat over here. And who are we to yeah and this? Kind of when viewers and listeners I heard. I was saying I was coming from places. Like what a privilege that the caused that you're fighting for is go save dogs in China from being eat when there's so much more. To worry about here. Like how is that like? You know what movie I saw. Agrees we move on. We'll paddle paddle away from that. So I know I appreciate your boldness, Blair You're the best now you know a little nothing having broken finger because we were in a workout class together. When you dumbbell on your hand. Tried to blame on someone else. Still do I it's vital. It's yeah I do blame somebody else. Somewhere. Someone we built how. Somebody left their weight underneath my bench so when I went to put my weight down. well I guess I should say under our Sheriff Joe Hers as well Right. My thing, I got stuck between the two and it exploded. Did quite literally explode. And I was like Jessica for weeks Ma Muss monthly, and then a couple of times. You like really nicely came to the workout DISADVA-, corner cheer us. I I wanted to do. I thought once I. Have a memory of that must have been a fever dream. Will, we talked about at me because I was in deep in that exercise poll in. I. And I couldn't I was like well I. Surely they'll show up for the for the girls. I think told us right before, but I was really laughing the other day about how like you know? I'm such a sugar addict and I love, and you know part of the call. was that like we eat certain delivery foods and we don't eat a lot, and you know it's such a i. So We'd been pretty good for like how long a month or so you know and doing are three the week and it was like a whole thing and everybody cheered. We high five. It was all done people are. Yes people were still stretching hugging, saying their goodbyes, I was already in my car, whipped a uey across the street in the McDonald's drive-thru, which I honked at everyone with my cone out the window as I saw people like literally just gathering their things until. It was like we walked out of the gym doors and there are you pulling out of the drive through hand out the window? Come in hand. Okay now. Let's get back. So what do you think about this piece of Shit who's on the deck team? We focus his name Pete who was fired. Yeah he said I'd be the Shit I mean. He is, he looks like a thumb. Yeah so one thing about Pete. My thought is so last season on regular below deck with Captain Lean. Kate and The boatswain! His was Ashton, and he was a disgusting pig, all him and the another Guy Brian and the discussing shaft were all so gross and so misogynistic, and they did awful things like like Ashton was like shoving his tongue down the chiefs to throw stuff like that and they happen lead know about, and he didn't do anything about it, but then came up big time in the reunion and online and everything like that, so I almost feel like that's why this season they're going like female heavy. They're coming down hard. Behavior in the past it has been fine. It should Captain Sandy's handling this because Captain Sandy me have a very special bond now if I'm only. Boring but I'm proud of her. Yeah missing saying. Her? I think she's really good at her job. I don't I don't. WanNa Watch her. No, so we'll throw. Aska? Malia has a boyfriend. Yeah Yeah, because she seemed like she might have a girlfriend. Interest I I'm wondering why I'm asking you. Yeah I feel like you. You walked. There finish that. I think that. Yeah. It's kind of like when you are working at TV show in. There's a bunch of girls working in production. They all seem gay. Okay. and. Say Yeah I do. Now I will say this three guys are such fucking assholes. She tells him do one fucking thing and they can't do it. They all are spinning out about the fact that they have a female boss. It is like such a sad thing to witness and watch like Oh here is America right here like they're so fucking threatened. She'll be like. Hey, hey, that rope and they're like a what rope! Yes, Oh, like when Pete goes, I will send the shackle, super important, shackle, or something like just fucking. Do due to shut the fuck. Up Top corner, Sweetie little pieces share. And everybody on that boat is passive aggressive. It's like that's how everybody communicates with one another like no straightforward. No can't handle authority men or women. It reminds me of what I was like an administrative assistant and someone would ask me to do something. They'd be like Blair the sodas getting. Can you refill it now? It'd be like. But you can refill like. Even though in your job, it was my job. But yeah. That that they would think to ask you. Yeah, I mean now at thirties of somewhere to be like the sodas low, I would be like. Let me get I. Just think like an immaturity to. Yes, they all seem shocked. Someone's asking them to do anything they're like. Yeah, it just seems a continually shocking to them I. do give them props for living in those weird astros. I would think the bed was gonNA fall on me with people. They hate they just get up there and that's where they live and I had meiring of that. You know I lived on Khruschev. Right I, do yeah. And we're you in rooms like. Yeah Yeah Yeah. For, a little bit, I was in a are in. A passenger cabin, and so I did have a roommate, another gallon a passenger. Fellow. Another second city performer emily were on. In the the passengers left, but then I switch down to where the crew lived and I had my own little room, but those weird quarters yeah. Berry to say. I just. There's something about below deck. I don't know why find it sort of soothing. Even though it's terrible, it's it's almost like the Muzak of Bravo. Little GNAT and they're hammering. They're trying to get their picnic set up and they can't bring glass on the beach and just. Put out all the toys. And then Zandi says bring him in and the waters too choppy and. fucking if I rented a super yacht and it was raining, and I had to just sit ashore, I would blow my head off a truly with ky-ko's food. And here I am in Spain and they just. beat me. everything about. Kiko I I love him, but he makes me nervous as I mentioned. Casey I. Love A I used to a chef. That's an asshole you know. And he goes like to sweet so everything about him. Kinda just makes me nervous because I love him as a person of course. No I like that Old Chef Adam. He was such a such an asshole. That's. Bravo. He might be the only reality star all on Instagram You Baked. Yeah he's outside cooking beautiful food over. VIGERS INNOC- Dan. You know he yeah. Yeah, he's building a farm of. He's driving around in his van or truck and use riding his. Motorbike in his cooking over open flames from. Nicer him last when when bugs was coming back when she did that entrance, it was so sad. Audra walk down the deck in those like Vera, bradly ask Duds and like twenty clips in the sight of her hair like. I WANNA. See Bugs in. And it was like it's raining. It wasn't like the walk that she wanted it to be like the big entrance. And everyone was like I brought the weather. It was just so like. Poor bugs, and then she's doing those designs, which you just throwing crystals out on a and getting praised for. All my Guy Captain Sandy's obsession with table stakes. She's. Best really good meal and I'd be like. It owns trinkets off the table. Yet made me Marguerite and get your crystals Outta here. The other thing I was gonNA say. Is that. It's clear that bugs has been brought onto like. Get rid of. Like. I feel like she's it's. Turning the guard allocated. Yeah, but bugs isn't going to cut it in that role. She's like a genuine, nice person and a hardware. High like the look I'm Gonna I'm going to go to the other one. I like the look of Captain Leeann I. Liked the look of his first two. She's something to. She might be done now to I think she's done as well but Blair. They're never done if you haven't seen any of them. Go right back to the true. And they're gonNA. Hold up for you. Yeah I'm sure this'll be episodes in seasons that will go back and watch twenty years from now. Okay Blair A. we're going to bring you back over more below deck just wanted to dip dip a toe in the water. Crazy. Myself no I'll dip a toe in what I. Yeah well. Thanks for having the Casey. It's to see Ya as so good to see you missed. By Blair Blair by anyone discussing below deck med.

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Nada Bakos on 'The Targeter'

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Nada Bakos on 'The Targeter'

"I think one of the things I would love to wear all the time is our week causing more chaos. Or are we actually affecting the situation in positive way, are we dismantling the violence, and the chaos, are we just creating warm by conducting the operation from our perspective because a Iraq theater is a military primacy theater. So the CIA had primacy when they went into Afghanistan for operation, because they were I in this was not declared a war in the ways way that Iraq was and within Iraq, the OD had primed. The so we were more in the support role than we were in Afghanistan and continuously aware of how military would be using the information wanted to make sure that we always had some type of analysis top line analysis, even if it's just wrong for sending back to them. We wanted to be clear. Here's the context. This is the law, fair podcast June fourth two thousand nineteen in movies and TV shows like zero dark, thirty and homeland Hollywood is fictionalized the roles intelligence officers and tracking down terrorists, but the truth is often filled with personal and political challenges beyond those that screenwriters, imagine, Nita Bacchus worked in several jobs at CI including a targeting officer focusing on the founder of al-qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab, all's are cobby in her new book, the target or she describes the experiences and challenges. She faced along the way last week. David got on the phone with Nita to talk about what the targeting officer, does what it was like interrogating detainees in Iraq and the difficulties she encountered in getting her book to print, it's the law, fair podcast episode four hundred twenty three native Bucko on the target are. Nato. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. You betcha. You've got a remarkable book, that's out the, the target or is, is the title. And that's title that may not resonate with everybody until they read it to find out this description of job that few people really understand within the CIA, and we're going to get to it, your subtitle, being my life in the CIA hunting terrorists, and challenging the White House. We're going to break down each part of that. But I wanna start a little bit earlier. How did you get to the point where you were even working at CIA? What road took you there? I was really focused on working overseas. And at the time that I finished undergraduate, it just didn't seem plausible that a US employer would pay me to work overseas. We were in a bit of a recession grad full just kind of seemed out of my grasp the time trying to figure out how to pay for it. Probably just pulled around for a few years. And finally implied. Now, something happened before you even got there, which in a sense was a preview of some of the dangerous situations, you got into in Iraq that will talk about later, you're a college freshman, and you were just hanging out with your friends one Monday night, what happened. Well, we were actually I was part of us are already and we were crossing streets and drunk driver came at us, and I don't remember the accident. But this is the recall that has been told to me and hit poor of us walking across the street, so that was bit of a life changing situation that was the first semester at at Mahnken state university in both men. And so I had to drop out for the remaining time period and shifted certainly shifted things for me and my perspective. Some of the book you talk about your experiences getting into CIA in your path into Seattle was not the traditional one for, for someone who ends up targeting terrorists, and, and working in Iraq with some of the, the hardened criminals that came in that you head to interrogate you came in, and you're actually doing an HR job of some kind of a corporate consulting type job talk a little bit about that job to dispel, people, the notion that C I A is all just operators and analysts what were you actually doing when you first came in? I, I never had out to be an HR professional just never something that I had thought about I just happened to fall into that line of work, because it was available when I was out of school and started working as an organizational consultants and in in or development. And so when I came in, I was working with the operation side, and trying to figure out how they modernize their workforce. And what should should those jobs look like? And how should they align? Their mission doesn't seem like a clear path to what you ended up doing an Olympic work. How did you get there? As soon as I joined I really wanted to do different job, you know, HR is great work, but it just had never been in my passion. But when I realized you could move around within the agency, jerk qualified for another physician and apply. I was really focused on that and I had a fantastic vaseline supported my goal. So he was he was very much championing anything that I really wanted to pursue at that point. Vinci, got to the point where you were doing analytic work, and you give a rare window in the book to something that, that isn't described much, which is the, the training that an analyst gets you describe a program. I think you abbreviated as cap the Korean less program. Talk a little bit about how it is that people from diverse backgrounds, including yours got up to speed in the analytic tradecraft in order to do the job that a C. I A analyst does. So I don't know which kept class you were. But when I was before it, I was unable to partake in the joy that you had. We were I think we were the tenth class that went through the training, and we were older so we weren't custom pithy young analyst. Right. Out of grad school. We were cynical and probably put our teachers through the ringer a bit more than they needed to be kept Clinton has a bit of a reputation as a ring to because of some of the things you pulled on your on your own instructors. What were some of the things that, that you did that manifest themselves that way? Yeah. Well, some of it, you know, we're just typical pranks on some of our fellow student, but they also incorporated, the unwittingly the teachers that were part of the process. But yeah, I go through that some of that in my book, some of the anecdotes of camaraderie some of the things and probably shouldn't have done as adults. But at the same time, I would say that we did learn, you know, some valuable analytic tradecraft the same time in spite of ourselves, we learn how to be also analysts how to write all of these products, you know, I have gone on, and then the other job that I not really actually paid attention. At some point. What does that actually mean when you said you learned how to do the Olympic work what described the job of an analyst, and how it's different than some people assume? So an analyst and you can correct me or add to the an analyst, and somebody who digest information intelligence and Ryan permission and collection and paint a picture for the policymaker that actually truly analyze that information and interprets it for the policy makers, so that they have a clear view on a set of problems that they're actually trying to do, but your job is not to recommend policy is correct. So even within all of these products or any of the briefings, we do not recommend policy. We are not allowed to do that. That doesn't mean you don't have opinions about policy in, in fact, a late around in the book, you get to descriptions of US policy towards Iraq in the occupation and afterwards, you clearly have opinions about those. But as an analyst, how do you keep that opinion from getting into the work product, you're creating well, and that's really? One of the, the crux of the analytic tradecraft is making sure that you remove bias. So you're always need a made aware by your peers or the writing process itself when you're doing the analysis and part of the process helps eliminate the bio. Let's get to the chronology of your book, really that the bulk of your work, it's about Iraq during the period when a senior manager, that I knew well, when you would know as well described the post invasion scenario in Iraq as going from bad to batter to worse, and you talk through all of that with specific focuses on your jobs in how you did them early on you right in hopes of making yourself invaluable around the office. You said yes to everything, including volunteering just a matter of weeks after the US, led invasion in early two thousand three to go to an assignment in Iraq. What were you doing in Iraq when you first got there? And how did that evolve? What I thought there was a really a set role or anybody just I knew it. My marching orders were for my team headquarters. There had been another team member ahead of me. So he gave me the two hour lay of the land in you got back and I headed out. So when I landed really my whole focus was still trying to confirm the concern that we had prior to the invasion. And if there were changing I needed to report, those through channel. And then in addition to that continuing to look for signs that they're Kelly was still building an organization inside of Iraq. I mention of Masaba Cowan that takes a whole portion of the book your early work in Iraq seemed to focus a lot on looking what you describe, as looking backwards trying to describe the relationship or lack thereof between Saddam Hussein and Okada. Before the invasion, instead of some of the analytic problems, you clearly found most compelling which were what's happening now. And where is someone like Zarko going talk a little bit about the tension, you felt out there, working on those issues that were being requested by policymakers in Washington instead of building up some of that analytic work to help prevent catastrophes in the future. Right. I think you summed it up perfectly while I was out there. We're still having to confirm this historic analytic bottom line versus looking for current threat was coming up on the horizon, trendy evaluate. You know, the time is base that we were in currently that was incredibly frustrating. Things are starting to go downhill, very quickly inside of Iraq. The insurgency started to rise. There was the UN bombing. There was a major Shiama bombing, so there were several things that were starting to have an inside of Iraq that we felt like we're more repressing need than continuing to answer some of these questions about evidence that the administration had been using to invade Iraq, that's carbon for the horse on. And it just seemed to, to be a distraction that was not needed. Among the real characters in this book that you talk about is a member of the former Saddam Hussein regime that you had the chance to interact with in the interogations nicknamed him evil Hagrid talk a little bit about him and why he mattered mattered because he had been in leadership circle of Iraqi intelligence service under Saddam, so he had a lot of knowledge about not only historical connections, but he had a lot of knowledge about where there any operations in place for them to act on either overseas or inside of Iraq, once the US and baited, why did you call them evil? Hagrid. Well, I use that term because he was a very large man, and not a nice guy. He was known to have done a lot of what we consider crimes in this country. And with him, you didn't just sit down and ask him questions as you've been doing with some other detainees. What, what different interrogation tactic, did you others use to, to try to shock the system without violating your own ethics and doing so. Innocence than we came up with a different scenario where he would be without a nation moved to a different location. And we would set up just a conversation within this location just trying to elicit more information out of him. So it was just it was like a interpreter, and the interrogator or the questioner, and then evil hatred. And in this case, it was inside of an old bombed out shelter just meant to use that locations and try to at least confuse him take him off guard, because at this point he'd been not exactly for coming about a lot of information we already knew he would have them inside on the work. Well. Once got inside this shelter a couple of things sort of went awry. And we ended up having to interrupt the no, the whole interview with this series of, like when I consider now. Humorous antics, evolving just trying to make sure that we were still secure with him. He trying to keep him in a shelter without military policemen nearby that he did not have military police surrounding him that he was basically free to go at one point. I'm thinking he had no idea or he probably could have just left, you'll so talk about your interactions with one of the leading figures, in modern Iraqi history, someone who rose to the level of deputy prime minister under Saddam in. Here's how you describe it in the book the first time I spoke with Tariq Aziz. I saw him in his underwear. I think he actually preferred it that way, talk through that, because that's not the. Thing you expect to read when you hear about a very ordered discussion or interrogation with someone like Tariq Aziz. How did that happen? Well, he was actually in the hospital that point he'd had some heated Christian, and he just decided to be the belligerent old man and try to turn the table and take me up guard. So he opened up his bathrobe or his lovely hospital gown, and sat down and his underwear on the bed across from me and will caught in there. So he was using it, you know, to cool and self and like flapping it back and forth. And when I didn't react, he just kept continuing the conversation eventually closed it. But it was a, you know, a surreal experience 'cause he's one of the most recognized figures that had been working under Saddam icon glasses. He's a folk person that we would always see cracking about porn affairs so it. Yeah. Seeing him in person for the first time in that vulnerable position. But yet still try and take control of it. It was interesting. There were times in, in reading your book that I wish that there had been some accompanying pictures. This was not one of those times. So all right. Let's move to the foundation for the, the bulk of your work and what you're talking about here really for the first time is a detailed study of what it's like to do the job of targeting regarding a major figure. We don't mean targeting strictly in the Connectik sense, the military since we're talking about targeting, in fact, building pattern of life understanding since the origin, for this really as it relates to boost also Cowie was what happened with the coalition? Provisional thority, the CPA in Iraq, issuing decrees that former bath officials could not have roles in Iraq's future government, and that the security services would be completely disbanded and the combination of those meant that you had overnight half a million Iraqis without jobs. Many of them turning in into violent criminals, the kind of people they used to try to keep in Iraqi jails. That led to the situation in Iraq that suddenly you're back into again, analyzing as a target or how someone like Zarqa Howie takes advantage of that situation. Let's use this as a chance to talk about this new position that didn't really exist as such you say it didn't even have a name yet. What is a target or in what does someone like you do when you are spending eight ten twelve hours a day targeting someone like Kelly? When I became a jargon, after I'd moved to the operation side out of the analysts is. And so, by then I am really focused on pulling in all the tactical information instead of synthesizing it for the policy maker. We are trying to paint this picture on how we can leverage some of this information to conduct operation this Manley, his network dismantling leadership trying to track down his leadership. So most of our day were spent trying to piece together different operations that we can then engage with military or some of our own on the ground. So is it fair to say that your customer focus really changed? You're, you're not doing the traditional job of an analyst writing for policymakers here in Washington to grapple with national security threats and devise ways, out of them, you're really focused on writing for military officers. And for agency operations officers too. Prosecute this war effort. Is that right? Yeah. That's, that's correct. Well, I think he summed it up thickly, and then in doing that job, you have different challenges because one of the challenges of traditional analytic job is politicization, which is knowing what the customer wants to hear. Do you consciously or sub consciously change your analytic line to either give the customer, what she wants to hear or to actually just keep putting putting an answer out there just to make them angry? Either way, letting it affect your analytic line. But you're talking something different here. Now, there's a different danger involved in targeting because the military officers or the agency operators, sometimes want an answer of their own. They want you to give them certain information to allow them to complete their mission. What do you think, were the greatest risks, inherited nece, relatively new profession? You were doing as a targeting officer. Well, I think one of the things that was most aware of all the time in our. We causing more chaos. Or are we actually affecting the situation in a positive way are we dismantling the violence and the chaos or we just creating roar by conducting the operations and that, you know, from our perspective because Iraq theater is a military primacy theater. So the CIA had primacy when they went into Afghanistan for operation, because they were I in this was not a, you know, this was not declared a war in the way, same way that rock was than within Iraq, the OD had primacy. So we were more in the support role than we were in Afghanistan and continuously aware of how military would be using from the information wanted to make sure that we always had some type of analysis hop wine analysis, even if it's just raw into Ron colleges for sending back to them. We wanted to be clear. Here's the context because if it's taken just. Out of context, or Ron is just us without any type of analysis. It can really go over. I did you have any cases of that, where you felt you were providing information that was misused? Oh, yeah, definitely. How does it feel with in this case, obviously, with policy analysis matters? But in the case of targeting, your analysis could be a life or death decision within minutes being taken by those to whom you're providing information. How did it feel as target or having that information in your opinion? Misused. Jerry aiding in other times when we had missed opportunities, there's times when things were taken out of context, their time, when, you know, some of these rolling rates than ended up happening, it was just like this giant bulldozer or snowball effect. But just, you know, just because we could we did and wasn't youthful, and it can be really this is gonna sound almost trite. But this is it can be really disempowering when you are. You're trying to do your, your most accurate type of analysis that you're providing to whatever the action arm is, and it's misused we become really cautious than about what you wanna share if you do that, that has a that has an effect, also, if you become overly cautious. You're not giving them information they need in other areas. Right. And not always a struggle. Right. There's always bureaucratic lucky to this also because how we share information within the. Government is still it was still a challenge at that time. But, you know, we were we were forthcoming as we could be. We had one person in vetted with the military with special forces almost the entire time so that we could share information, and we can provide on the spot analytic capability, so we're doing what we could. During this timeframe in late two thousand three going into two thousand four Iraq is going downhill, the violence is increasing. You took a career change that is you moved from one of these line positions. And became a branch chief, a manager talk talk through the difference between being a manager and working for a manager at that level. Yeah. I had made that change probably fairly soon after I moved to the side, as targeting officer. So I was a manager probably within a month. I guess, moving to the ops side or before that, but I don't know it wasn't it hadn't been my first management job in my life. But it's still at the same time. There's a lot of moving pieces when you're dealing with a war zone, and I'm sure that with had to be frustrating 'cause I wasn't paying enough attention at times, to like, what I could be providing cars leadership. And then as your real focus for a lot of the people that worked for me. You're trying to on a daily basis still dear job in an officiant way. But at the same time will fill the needs of a war theater, and that can be pretty difficult. When you're still mired in the substance at that point, you probably news or Cowie, as well, as anybody at the agency, you've been watching him in various contexts for years now you're a manager helping others do that as well. There was a key turning point in a believe it was October two thousand four when czar Cowie finally pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden. Why did this matter? Well, and at that point, I was still in Allah, and DA. Okay. Structure of analytics, so. So that matter because this is this is the correct of what the administration was trying to piece together as evidence before the war for why we should have made a rock because they were talking about how close Kelly Kaieda won't he, he hadn't been you didn't even when he started out have the same shared ideology extremist, but that was kinda thing son of it. So that point it mattered because all the sudden the profile and the resources and the legitimacy that lended to Cowley that dramatically changes his role in Iraq. That makes him much bigger deal, and he had a lot of Iraqis signing up and going along with him committing these attacks, the role, some Iraqis who were fed up with this, and you describe when dramatic day in February of two thousand five when special operations forces got a tip from an Iraqi citizen, who decided to help fight back against this reign of terror. When you can talk through that story of how you. Learned about this tip, and how it got you very close to our Cowie. Well, there were multiple emphasis, I would say, one of them that I was able to write about the lances. Lances of Iraqis not wanting to live like the living in K off having to constantly deal with destruction. Nobody wants to really live like that. And there were Iraqis just not unlike ICES when they were trying to control territory being forced to work with these organizations because they had no choice. This is governing or space. This is the person that you have to go through them in order to, you know, by fell products on the market. So, I think in large part, there was some, there was a look a lot of people who were, you know, interested in in trying to quell the violent and many of them, many of them don't have a way to do that. They want to quell the violence, but they feel powerless of this, this local, you write about actually knew some of Cowie's pattern of life, knowing that during a certain late night, window, Zarqa. We could be found in his white truck driving. North of Baghdad, which is exactly what is target or you want to be able to provide to the troops on the ground, right? Yeah. That's true. So that, that's a big deal being able to get that type of insight. So what did they do with it, when they got that insight? How did they how did they take action, you know, working special forces, they were able to, you know, some of our our platforms, where we were tracking vehicle and ended up. I are being overhead on a drone just camera angle. We were able to track vehicle and, and Newark, positive it was him in, in the vehicle time. But what we can tell from the pattern and everything that we had been told prior to we're pretty sure it was likely him driver. And so once they had location special forces were then, basically, in a vehicle pursuit, her sometime in eventually, he drove into farm got into. Of, you know, tree canopy where we couldn't really have visibility at the time and took off running, and we weren't able to track to make to give them coordinate somewhere. He's actually they were going, but they did get a hold of the pickup. How did that feel being that close actually seeing him on the video feed in knowing that he that he escaped? Yeah, that's frustrating. You got the next best thing, though. You got you got his computer. What did that give you get it some shooter? There were some issues around getting into the computer. What do you mean? And I go in and go into in my book, well, again, there's a lot of entering the issues that sometimes disrupting get in the way of completing a mission, and that was an example of one is this one of those examples of tension between the, the military and the CIA in terms of who has. Primacy ES. So what happened in this case? How did the how did the computer information alternately come out while automatically came out because agency was able to get into it finally received the computer and was able to retrieve all the information off of it, but by then a lot of it had eroded because time too much time had gone by so a lot of the phone numbers. And one of the technical information, we could actually collect off of it where a longer useful a good point here, which is probably element of stress for you, as a target or for your team. When you're managing a team targets is the perishability of the information that it's so time sensitive capture this computer, if you don't get that information active again within hours, the people can move onto different codewords, two different phones, two different patterns of communication. Yes, one hundred percent. So the timeliness of when you I gather Ron, especially if it's captured either from a rain more. You know, computer, anything like that the turnaround time needs to be really, really short, and we're utilize any of that. Let's suppose forward a bit to June of two thousand six when Zarqa we actually does meet his end. Tell us about what you were doing at the time and how the news came to you. I transitioned to different role within the CIA with colleague and have thought on the news. I adjust him down from my hotel room in the lobby. And it was on the news. I was at that moment. I was really wishing. I was with my colleague the two, you know, congratulate them thank them finishing this, at least this portion of what we set out to do. So that was it was disappointing. I wasn't at least there that what about the aftermath you note in the book that your, your story really wasn't done, then because your name in some of your work showed up in some facial reports talk through that of it. Yeah, I got a phone call from the security office one morning. And they said, hey, we would like to send out a security team to thirty review for you. Because your name is in not redacted is in report. Court. The torture report, this is the report that the Senate put out. Yeah. It was the report that Senator Feinstein staff had had released and I wasn't aware of it. I'm that was not on my radar. My mom had just passed away within days of this phone call. So I wasn't reading news or anything else that point, and it was a shocking and surprising have this kind of coming back around to, you know, by, then I had left the agency altogether, though. Yeah. Sometimes it feels like you know, this goes away or anybody, you know, my piece of the torch report was, I was put note wasn't a central. It was it was based on person that I talked about in my book that we actually had picked up in a rock that was connected to central Kaieda non off on goal. So you know, while it imported, I think they're a lot of wine. A torture doesn't work because of because of something I have said. At the same town, and I would appreciate it a phone call. Let me know. My name was going to be in it. All right. So let's reflect back on this and talk about some lessons, first of all lessons, if you were to in a sense, train, target is in train others in the us government how to work with targets. What are the main lessons from your experience about how this process can work? Well, I'll come to late main lessons that I actually learned where that personalities matter of your credit curdle are not insurmountable. There's always at least ways to start hit, communicate he'll deliver analysis. And I think that more than anything, this is really about alternately. What's, what's the strategy that has to be agreed upon for all agencies to be able to work together? I think ultimately had I had this to do all over again. There's a lot of other conversations, I would have had with leadership in federal forces that would have been much more transparent. I think I was new to doing. All this at that time. It didn't know how to drive some of the discussions. I think that would really benefit ARCHE benefited our team listens for people going into this line of work people considering a profession as in particular targeting officer. What do you wish you would've known at the start other than that in terms of how to approach the job and how to succeed at it without falling victim to the stress creates. That's a really good question. And not when I've been able to totally answer for myself. But I think that the advice I would give to anybody that's going to go into that line of work, or even that type of profession is while there's a sense of urgency, especially when you were working with a war zone. There's not as long as you're acting with integrity, and you're doing what you can to manage the situation is within your control. That's enough. There's no superhuman quality, that will magically appear that will help fix everything. Let me ask you about a different lesson in this goes meta, because this book was largely ready to be published several years ago. But you had perhaps the most challenging experience with the agencies pre publication review. And in fact, the US government's pre publication review of that I have heard of in recent years, could you talk for just a little bit about the process. Sense of putting in a book like this four classification review and what happened in your case. Mike. It had been held up for a very long time. So the book that I wrote actually had a lot of other agencies mentioned. So there is a reciprocal agreement between the CIA and apartment of defense and other agencies to allow them to review any any book that they have coming through publication, you that mentioned their agency to mine had been farmed out all these other agencies. Well within that reciprocal agreement. There is no way for the CIA who in force a deadline and re and require them to refund or say, if you don't respond by this day, we'll consider this acceptable. There's nothing in that agreement the mind just lingered it sat at the OD without, I guess, I did get a response. I should say, I got to respond. And my response was Wotton, lots and lots and lots of black cages with narrow explanation. Pages that this was basically them saying this material is not allowed, and we won't let you publish it, but they did not explain. Why exactly didn't explain why I had sent it with fifteen hundred foot. No. So I was documenting the, the information, I was finding an open source. So a lot of this is very confusing to me as to why an entire page people act. And I wa- I had requested meeting. I was told no I couldn't eat with the OD. The I couldn't sit down with me. So the only recourse, I had this point, who had structured out of the government was actually file a lawsuit and talk about that process. What, what does the lawsuit in tail and then how did it work in your case? Highly recommend finding an attorney very familiar with national security law crop that and in my case, I found Mark date he help interpret for me. What some of the process next step needed to the and then worked with the DOJ attorney once filed a suit to work through the process. And so got a meeting set up down with CIA's, P, R B, and then the OD in the same couple days, presuming that this prompted action in a way that simply making requests did not a hundred percent. But this, this time we went through every single reaction that they had some some they gave up some Cox grew. So my agrees either provide other sourcing or agree to just take it out, all together. So the question that a lot of former agency officers get after publishing a book that's been through this process. How much of what you're originally idea for the book was how much of that came through in the end after that law? Process, including the lawsuit air there, there was quite a bit change. There's quite a bit. Take it out quite a bit changed. I don't I don't know exactly. I would guess at least thirty percent was removed and another twenty to thirty percent with changed. The get the sense that some removals were not due to classification reasons, but they were requesting things be removed because they just simply shoulda poor light on one or the other government agencies involved in from cases I think that's true in other cases. And then I pushed back on a lot of those, but in other cases it was there's a lot of really unclear guideline. So we don't have an overall process. Right. The I has their guidelines for what they find acceptable. The has their guidelines, which I still until understand FBI has their own if they has around. So everybody just has a differential rotation of how the review process should work. So I had. To figure out her agency. What was acceptable Nina? Thank you for talking with us about your life in the CIA and hunting, boom Cowie final thoughts in terms of policy. You talked earlier about the fact that analysts don't do policy analyst inform policy with good assessments, but they don't do the policy, however, you can't work in this business for a long time, without having a policy view that comes out of it in terms of what works what doesn't work on the ground. What are your recommendations for policy now as private citizen to policymakers, grappling, with, for example, whether to initiate, a conflict with Iran? If prodded into it or how to manage the sticky situation that still is Iraq. What stands out to you the most? Well, that we haven't had lessons learned. We seem to keep repeating the same old mistakes over and over Iran. The perfect example this drumbeat leading up to this, and the anonymous. The first thing you know, in various publications about how Iran is threatening threatening United States. We have yet of the public been able to see any evidence other than some of this morph information. The administration's putting out I think that there is a time and place for declassifying anything that requires the American people to give up kid money resources for foreign policy problem that administration thinks that we need to focus on, if it's not extremely clear. We appreciate it. And good luck with your book. Thank you. The law. Fair podcast is produced in cooperation with the Brookings Institution. Please, if you having yet, give the podcast a five star rating at a review wherever you listen to podcasts and share us with your friends and followers on Facebook and Twitter. 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FXR Racing/Race Tech Privateer Island #108- Bernard Kerr

The Steve Matthes Show on RacerX

37:38 min | 1 year ago

FXR Racing/Race Tech Privateer Island #108- Bernard Kerr

"Welcome to the racing. Ray Tech suspension privateer island life. PODCAST number one zero eight really look forward to talking to this guy and man and lots of talk about when it comes to what he's doing. Thanks racing these cobalt mix thirty when you're checking out racing official gear of filthy film Galati and a Lotta riders out. There blocked Brock tickle be weren't affects our as well when he comes back to racing so thanks. deficts are racing and raced Texas bench as well. Michael Lessee using race tech Chris Blow Susan Rice Tech Starling. Jerry Rob and all those guys using race tech pulp. Nineteen is the code to save with RACE TECH DOT com. Thanks to those guys are making it happen. Thanks to Scottish the mirror technologies and then Max tires as well Max's tires a big part of the guy on the phones program. This is a privateer number one. Away with Bernard Kerr. What's up art are you? I'm good how you doing. Thanks for having me on the show. Yeah no problem we were trying to get you. In studio the pulp show and then it may still happen. But you're a busy guy. Yeah needs to have them really wants to come up side. Got That in making this Monday and sorry about that. He's got to come out and ride bikes. So listen your World World Class Downhill Mountain bike. Racer Pivot Greider fly racing. You make a nice living down there. You've won the red bull rampage or something a bunch of times all this ripple online yeah hardline. Whatever the hell it is? You've decided that you're gonNA raise Anaheim. One decided to be Nadya untapped. They get very ambitious. Apparently cover about three years ago. Nothing around with a bunch to my friends one of the guys on my team Eddie. Moss's some other than we were talking about one thing I don't know I wrote up every day my on my couch had time including me. Maxwell Hodges Make Fun of me like my joke now you just cruise industry and Covering we have been talking about supercross. How's that honesty? I'd love to do something and it came up. We'll do it then and I was like yeah. I'll do on Monday anywhere. No they made me put my money. My mouth is so it was a one sided by the spent five thousand thousands dollars on a night out in Queens down the place you live in New Zealand or I had to roll up to the stadium by like Anaheim won twenty twenty six. PM The F.. Twenty that's how it came about and Yeah fits in here. Gave you a three year window of doing it. I just spray you window. 'cause all build up this or do that different things happen. We had some setbacks. Oh man so what are we. What is pivot of it? Think of this and then he's top guys. How you really make your living? How do they how do they think of this? I think that's pretty starts at Chris. Coss the owner of Ten years now pivots I. I have a great relationship with them and he loves motocross and that he's tied to. I was actually in the office that last week in the Christmas party. The kind of sat me down with like you please me fully outlets I never will come to light. You said Max's tires. They're like massive bike sponsors to the team and they made the best size every mountain biking site. That's on board with that and they. They are a huge help to what we are trying to do. Here of made some Alhassan. They've really believing helping. How would you grow up racing? Did you grow up riding around riding bikes. No not four things like so long ago and then we didn't really have a then. I played Ice Hockey for ages to that being Canadian. Equal rights that yeah I was actually is lucky national champion and then quit. That started riding bikes. Maybe six months and I was like eleven. quit that an and start racing mountain bikes from the age of twelve. Okay then yes pretty much mountain bikes to who by through the sixty. I go pit bike Chinese fit by then I t t l one twenty five. Had that then go motocross bike. But we couldn't really afford to go to tracks I'd like right around a field or whatever. Six months didn't have loan for a couple years and go to one twenty five dollars stolen and didn't have on for couple years and got to fifty. Yes and didn't really have new bikes. They wouldn't run very good. Oh I couldn't afford the track up on and off on and see from the age eighteen NYC. I'd ride a month maybe like ten days year. Whatever so you really don't have a lot of experience some drug pit like so honestly I feel like I can hold my own against some of these guys hit by? I should be well. Should they shouldn't be a problem. Exactly I should we get and then twenty fifty and I want to competition go to Kenya. Crank blacks he get quite a bit of money to that and I bought my first brand needed like in twenty fifty three fifty so ever since then. I can kind of afford to ride three times a week if I wanted to. Whenever I had quite rapid progression increase increase? I guess I could actually learn how to jump on a C. D.. Three four years ago had to be right coming into a jump weight central. Frodo even let you can get over this like Eh years ago and now a lot since then that then I ran my master little and now we're looking at I mean social media's not everything but following on social media you look at it you can really rider bike well so easy tracks. Maybe I can ride Manuel soft tracks right So Max's got hooked up with Jerry McGrath. Can you believe it honestly now. It's like a dream come back zipping. So good and Chris and everyone out arid. Yeah I met Jeremy and Whistler Mountain bike event the someone else into that state during signing with them such such a nice guy on Tau have everyone out there in the middle of your shot like. You can't believe how can you be such a humble nice helpful. Cool Guy Right. They hooked me up with him and yet maxis of of done lot of connecting the dots and cows. How's Accu helping now but honest? It's Jeremy's by. He's donating his bike to the minute one of his bike so his time and he's amazing like through him and then Lou the workshop and the guys that his his team with the McGrath modest hopeful and they're like kind of coordinating and during the tire orders and then they got the suspension done by bones at PROZAC for the bike. which is honesty ridiculous? And then Kerr rude rude food. Yeah the the test track. The he's honesty. Such a nice guy like coups outside. Sorry the guys you can hear the test track mark and you come Dude around you guys. Sorry this opportunity so oh yeah. Thanks access in Jeremy Rea- really helping out in this one. I guarantee are you. AC is all in on this pro talked about it. But I bet you he knows all about it so we met the other day. Yeah that was pretty cool So truthfully look the main event you know. That's that's a different story but the night show where we're going for the night show right. Yeah look into the night hsieh's honestly it's ambitious now. We built a track of the K my friend Jordan Pasta race. GP's things cracking is in the UK and seven days riding on it in a month it rained everyday redick full and I've a twenty is in the UK like everything that went wrong side. Seven days. K We go out here to California it right as soon as as we got and Sweden another week and a half there while something so I think of it. Twelve Day as total supercross. Now so boys itself so honesty so fun but the goal that you say the goal and the I have another with a guy from a hundred percent could have only if you know him man. That's five thousand dollars to make make the night shuts the risky event. I WANNA try. I haven't talked to him about it properly at hopefully donate the money to charity. Because we've had so much how Helping out we want to do something cool with that. The yeah the goal is tonight show. So I've got a lot of haters on my my always turned out it Timakova Adam or whoever it is I'm not I'm going out and see practices. Probably a other guys one good lateral and I'm trying to be. I think it's about eight seconds. Slower normally is the forest. Let's yeah well that's just look. There's some guys and I've seen you ride and you're fine. There's some guys. Is it a horrible way. Well I don't anticipate you being one of those guys so I think you're going to fit in with the guys that are right around around Thirty Thirtieth to Fortieth Thirtieth fiftieth going for the night show. And there's not much a separate guys right. Yeah Yeah as long as I can look doc not out of place on the track get round. We have a good time like Jeremy. Everyone's going to be that I can get round dot die and have a good time Paul ready honesty. It's the experience of a lifetime. What a journey teach you did? He did he tell you anything to help you help you with with writing. Yeah Yeah I at the test track at Cuba get their Jeremy's like healthy on the bike and stuff on CD like he turns up an appre in various Mike. I couldn't believe that and then he just gets out and starts making fun of me about because I've never done a stall Natalie minded gate before both making fun of me for that and then he's like yeah just roll around guests to the track and then Villa poetry was there as well for like a specialized that I saw the Cowie test track of. Heroes Dan Jeremy McGrath and Ryan. I defended what she me. Roll around the couch test track. And I'm like I didn't make it even worse. The guy next door baggage Vogel waiting to do a photo shoot. So that's did that watches. This is after I hated his ad and stuff and then he just came out and tried to decide. Moving outweigh moving. Just being like just such watch little things that probably I wouldn't even visa you can use his two towns on that track. Used as the bikes are so good. Now you can shift three neutral true and I honestly wouldn't have thought that I was going round and second everywhere so just that and then you get back over to the Blue Group that I'm worried about that here. Here in California is so different to anything like a mountain bike motorcycle side a lot. Lot easier quickly WANNA WANNA. I was talking to him. Maybe it was ripping at Flyer might have been Chris at Maxim's talking to one about about you and they're like well we need to be gnarly are we. I know when they released the track math and they've put two sets in fact one this year I was like why could you just one. Yeah I thought the last day where that like era like asks. He's been so helpful along Jordan era with. He's got a lifelong fans I've it he's been helping out and hold on. I'm picturing eras adviser like just close your eyes and pin. It did Kinda. That's right. Yeah he's trying to be like that he's yes matter we need yes-men about I would say you got you got this which would have select corner with yes men. That's good good. I like that. What a story though absolutely really cool to to follow this and this is going to go and and I mean I? It's crazy that you know three years ago. You said you you know you you were probably maybe a novice or whatever you know what I mean novice writer it's just gotten into media Local to go out there. Practice tracks. DECAF sessions getting The media expert and got into meeting like three years ago. Yeah I know who you are going to try Anaheim. Yeah Anything Cross over from from mountain biking Moto any any technique. I don't know I can't think of anything the I guess the plying yourself and thinking about it if you look at section outright how do I do this. So how do I do that. Maybe it's honestly a web on whoops of me I go on a mountain bike into it. Rough section my lean back whoops. You've gotTa Have Your Chin over the handlebars this is terrifying. Yeah so that's a bit different for a and then I is similar. It's got to be you know you're writing to wells. You turn on Guy Fawkes you guys. I think I've tried to the times like try. Keep in the up yet which I don't know if there's a good thing not that I find that easier than maybe it got thrown out riding motorcycles. His life always true. Yeah Motor guys will dab their foot every now and then you know. Maybe I'm good can announcing bike site. Maybe that's helping. I'm not sure I think part sort of it just sort of for lack of a better term. The balls of going for it are something that crosses over to anything you know because downhill stuff is not is not for the Faint Daehnhardt. What you do you know what I mean so yeah like it's not get that? Yeah so maybe. That's we scale last week. I at the cow contract was Thursday day thousands. I rural good down dry hot pack track that Status Day and then everything took him to the triple the finish line jump. That's massive. Why so big so I know the one? I want something. This big ridiculous bats. Everything is awesome and then went out Friday. I did a fly. Fo- tissue in the Mornings Mountain biking when out Friday Friday the thirteenth rolled around to upset lap. Everything's fine the APP. See fine came on full-fat Brain fog aww Fulton on the boys riding they'd cut slightly different lining on the trip. Okay and I just went to the trip when case it only that near thrown off I had the big crash. If I'm on a flat down like my mom and people that work is hoping to big cracks in the triple full. Flap site wreck the bike. You bet like got up off the floor. Kind of myself out brock tickle and Eric Su there like duty okay. I'm not. I was fine. Yup I'm still a bit soared today and luckily for me I cooled off at Kawasaki and helps our odd. We needed a new sub frames. New Levers and you exhaust lewisite we did event the number on it so that was Kinda Shitty to get back out the track. Yeah really right did it. And then you said it took a while to jump the triple I. I would agree with that for these guys it is. It's so easy for these guys that can do with their eyes shut. Could do it from a dead stop ten feet ten feet from the ramp. I get that but for me. That would be the big thing for me. Just be freaking out dude. I know at sixty seven feet Eh. Guy itsel impressive now like I always had a huge respect for any sports passing being like a top level athletes. But now when I see those guys of the video video I've watched since hitting a triple when any of those guys talk guides or James or whoever you see like scrubbing a triple run side. It's the most impressive thing. Now I've been out on a track and ruin these things and being terrified. Its own siblings. A new level of respect. And how how good these guys are as another level is really really cool to like fail to stiffen the other side. I guess so is one round only depending on how we do or is it just. Don't we had jokes like hey modern. Somehow I made the main because like San Diego last year in the night show ever was rolling every job. I mean how they made the the main who knows maybe it got PHOENIX less realistically. It's a miracle happens and we even make the night show. I think it's one and done. I'm I'm going on holiday next year instead. It's my all season right now myself. I've needed stress. I was going to say when. When did you series pick up? When do you start so we have the first big events in March and using them to crank legs? Event in the world crosses the march. So I've got a little bit time yet. And this is great crossover training we all right ED mouth to bike ride much training and was still cycling everyday like the motorcycling recycling standard Jim side. It's a great cross training and Pasta and the fact everyday together a supercross tracks. It's really fun. Change otherwise I to try something else and train on other things. Yeah Oh man I. It's it's going to be so interesting to watch. You affects racing race. DHEC suspension privately island. Life podcasts Bernard Kerr thanks. Kosher family owned operated company since nineteen eighty their products are inspired by a passion for cool vehicles. Amazing sounds great outdoors and more Scotia Dot COM com Dean Wilson. Zach Osmo Jason Anderson Proud sponsor of the rockstar teams Scotia's and you just go to pop twenty-five at checkout to say twenty five percents off your purchase Public Mex- thirty at ethics are racing dot com a pulp eighteen race tech suspension or motors. Use that code as well. Thanks to the folks that in the mirror and of course maxis Amex S. T. tires developed by Jeremy. mcgraff US by Bernard. Kerr exactly right. Max is going to provide you with some support the race from what I understand. Yes yeah exactly apart from obviously Lou Jeremy's guy yesterday said I think Max Assail someone from Max's is bringing a big long now like some kind of truck so yeah I think we're GonNa have quite the setup like say on this day. I still so lucky and privileged. I appreciate what everyone's saying so much because I know there's a hundred other guys out. Ah Better writing. It's out by this. This kids that little at me on track and I'm aware of that but what we're trying different fund thing say. Yeah Max I think bring China a big setup. I think the guys the guys who fly the people that Cowie like I talked to route a little bit. These guys already like you. You're like a nice guy you're funny Johny guy is good good dude. Like they're all on board with you because of that you know what I mean like. That's great companies. Even flying out guy in five six years. Max is forever say yeah that will awesome companies still outwit and this shows that pigs so much. I'm an effort into this and just to try and almost childhood dream. Yeah that's awesome. That's cool. Yeah I can imagine I mean I once one time tried to raise pro myself. You know what I mean and sisters I get it. It's their mountain biking for you Did you get like okay. So there's you know there's different motorcars that work there balls off forever and become really good that way like John Dowd or or whatever and then there's guys like Adamson Cirillo or I told him that seemed to be born to ride a motorcycle and one everything from when they were young. which guy were you in the in the Downhill Mountain biking world? I'm definitely a guy is good young. I guess I started off Kinda good it. It was just me and my mom guides the races so it was pretty hot. We didn't really know like she worked so hard to to get me to remember. We didn't know what high oppression around what suspension around we would loss really. We were just got into the race. Isn't doing bests. I I did get ingenious. which is like sixteen in Eighteen? I did okay I want a world junior and then also that I didn't I got Kinda ride for a year then did and it was a struggle for a long time. I didn't know okay on my own. I didn't have mechanic. I didn't like say what tall has this so that we couldn't afford new tires every week. Slash hair now galaxy S.. Thirteen eighteenth awoke up net but this woke up. There's a tea is that used to quantify now but if you get the impact of very solid and then not do terrible and explorations our guest flat tire every race. So I'd snap a chain. I guess it was lack of preparation looking back at it or like not really knowing that My First World Cup podium which is actually Shia fits because in mountain biking summaries Fleiss and podium planning my first World Cup Hodie of Iowa's twenty six twenty five years old So super super light all right one of the oldest guys get specified at that age. Yeah now I was. Yeah pretty late and the team I actually but she right on the pivot cycles. Factory teams is my team effectiveness. You wanted to put America's tapped to to motorcycle cycles is the title sponsor of the team. I run up so it's my cellphone and we have a few other riders than we have free mechanics and an assistant manager. It's my team. The Iranian started with pivot. Okay okay so eight years with the brand ten just like as a privateer just writing for the the distribution cave team now going into the. It's eight years so that's where it's really cool. Pivots out of out of Idaho. I thought okay. I don't know how that where where the WPA connection comes in. But yeah they just worked really it closely together now Doug so w. PS and Kris Jenner UvA tennis awesome. We actually connected those guys. The day I met Doug in that in Las Vegas interbike Black Doug lobbying we got out from there okay Christmas and that weekend and they had a great relationship since as well okay. So that's how it came about. God I didn't know how that worked but also you're doing your own team. Is it like in Moto where you can you controlling sponsors. You're kind of controlling what you wanna use and everything else also. Is that the benefits already much like that. Yes like pivot saw frame sponsor Neta team title sponsor and then we use Fox suspension for instance Max's tires but it might be like. Hey we SPEC all the bikes Max's. Could you please talk to them. They won't forced on me or anything like that but rather we use it. But honestly all the companies they went with the best companies and I have a great relationship with them so it just goes hand in hand. You know like it works out. If we're GONNA catalog it's dumb it from a different tyrod anyway so it. It just worked out really well and like I say now had the team going for a few years and it's just it's awesome having loyalty. I guess in mountain biking. I'm not sure might across southern the have everyone so loyal is really cool if you could try and buy a writer for more money and they'll stay with the money except pretty loyal site. It's really cool mountain bike. The I said like sponsors of the same now our would used to being loyal and and vice versa. Are you do you. You don't run a production of it right. You get special built bike for you not honestly honestly mountain biking you can go out and buy factory rights by expense amount of eight ten thousand dollars per you can race. You can go and buy the bike. We rights like I'd say ninety eight percent the guys you can go out and buy the day rice okay. That's winning a World Cup a new a new linkage on that you can't get now on so something Nia honesty ninety nine percent of things. We'd run you can walk into the shop. Buy Off the shelves. Where are you based? Where do you base yourself out? I like an hour south out to London a place like Hazel Mare. So yeah just in the countryside our away from London Nice little quiet spot where there's not a big city there's no supercross tracks. It's just nice is low me fresh knocks triples. Can you can you practice. They're pretty good places to go I don't think. UK is along great place for Downhill Mountain bike rider to practice on the badly right down on trail bikes and e-bikes see I drive. I I ride a lot of the yeah. Not much downhill detract. So we live maybe a minute long tops. You just get loads of laps. And they're really really good quality for a minute. We're like cool. It the over quantity I guess not massive hills but really fun but we can to Wales which is like three hours away or even at the French outset. Dr Sure Yeah. It's really not too bad to go and writes in some good stuff from the south so you could do that. Yeah do that. What what you stand on e bikes? You said you ride them. So you like your I love Eve. I think it's it's funny because coming from Europe everyone that pre accepted that and coming over to America and like the different the difference in attitude identify people just might change or they haven't tried them yet but I honestly think that one of the best training tools and the most fun things to ride like you you can go out and you you can have have your heart rate at whatever you want it to be at for two hours now off because you work hard you just get more downs in which is shortly what world out there for is the fun part. What kinda right I mean? Gee whiz that's what I tell people you can go as as much as you want or as little as you honor and just keep going you know like yeah. I don't They're amazing so I think that red light me and my mom can get right. She can be in like tub mode. I E co working so hard to keep up with Arnav riot and we've had a good time. I think they're a great tool. Where Hans so fun I just think people scattered change? I guess people that haven't ridden. Maybe I think originally I hate to. Maybe just just laying guys Lalla just had a bad outlook on it. But I think he's open your mind often try them. You'll have a great time and I've seen it's been great so you so I know it's been amazing. I've got twenty three hundred miles on mine in in this year. Now so cool yeah awesome. That's how people can see that in a negative way. I don't know either I'm with you. I'm absolutely with you. And my heart rate still up there it's still going So at the red line that you want that's kind of what's the one that they go up in the in the Red Rocks in Utah. It is hard line like that where you they carve out a trail. Just out of a downhill hotline is saying hotline more like Shrek Rhythm Slash Monster Cup. Yes yeah it's like a normal downhill race but will the jumps much much bigger bigger jumps in downhill rice and the sections in between the jump Sahara as well. So it's just like a way way hotter. I guess doctorates and you're like making having like a super cross rates that has bigger jumps unusual. Okay take a job at a longer weep section. It'd it'd be like supercross race at two on steroids like a super bowl thyroid steroids. Yeah I guess yeah. This was scary for you. You said some of the stuff like Oh shit like for yourself a world class the first time you go. It's a little scary outdistances. You're not like you're saying all the guys. Yeah no seventy four triple seventieth birthday now so we'll jumps in only thirty feet that say woke up to the seventy foot. Jump you've gotTA RECAP Ray speed. So it's Kinda stare to start with the. It's an awesome writes. It's like I- jumping my strong point in downhill and it's what. I really enjoy Oak Mountain bike so I love the race. And it's you get a little nervous. No woke up the show at especially day one. Every right we're going to try out a side that's it's it's different but such a cool rights. I was saying the boys out here. It's the day one of hotline is how I feel every day I answered track society. This again that's funny. That's a cool rice. I can't I can't wait to yeah. NAMARA technology is one of the sponsors of this podcast industry-leading top end repair kits. Offer everything. You need to rebuild your top editor price. They'll keep you riding every single weekend. Chimera Dot Com fully seed is domes on their Pistons as well as rolled on Coated Skirts Mirror. Pistons are a cut above the rest. Thanks thanks to them. Thanks thanks maxis. Thank you Scotia and also of course affects our race. Tech Bernard Kerr here on the privateer island podcast so I probably should have done my homework before a so. Just excuse. Use Me on this. But what's your finish last year in downhill in World Cup. What'd you finish? I broke my aunt outfits. I didn't even know maybe. Twenty four th were you were. You broke Fifteenth Series on me. Yeah I started off a bit bit it up and down that I was hoping going to be talked to him this series. If if my season gone I wanted I should have been should have been right there. I think I was. I was going direct shot. I would trends. Let's say so. Yeah didn't quite finish. I wanted but I came out with some speed. At the end of the season my goal was to win the rebel-held end of the season. I was right. I got this letter this race every the light I was fully committed so that was a good season. I guess that Sharon is it like Moto where Play top ten world. Cup Downhill guys are doing well financially. Yeah Talk Ten top ten guys making good money they don't make supercross hemlock maybe it's top Guy Winnie the American guy. He he claimed on an interview the email a million a million dollars a year all in bonuses and wage. What we think he is making a million here knows? I know everyone's out there. I'd say the top top guys made on half a million. It depends ends. You know it's it's a coast bolt whereas like the top ten guys can do really well with you have a strong social media as good results. That can really help you out in in announcing biking so it's not all about the results you have cool video at its out or have good social media and that's really gonNA help you like get paid become a personality in the school as well so that that's Kinda matter around. We're seeing that in Moto two. We're definitely in that in Moto. You know yeah well. I think it's shows a lot like a lot of the reasons why you guys fits really another guy. That's winnings obviously Batasuna Leon. V get as much exposure possible. And if you can get exposure icy without coming fifth that's a great right. You'll get the product out that all these fans are saying like you see actual. Everyone wants to buy stuff easily races. No now I think it's a it's a really good 'til the top guys in downhill and not hurting for sure. This is Anaheim excursion. Search for you helping you out in the mountain bike world or is everybody the mountain bike world saying what the effort you doing. I've got it was I bid. Welcome last year with what it was a giant with that that's at I was serious about it. Cites isolates helping me out. I don't know definitely got my fair. Share hates US online on there right now on. We have a big website called pink bike. Ride so I'm access and people that definitely are Bene- CAFTANS back. It's funny dude. I think it's great when you read some of the comments. They think they know. More more than Jeremy McGrath and I don't think they do somehow. Yeah the mountain bike world had some hey as well most of them are pretty cool. So hopefully it's helping me out. Oh yeah I would think so. I was just curious how you got your license but I know there's different rules for European guys for these guys. Don't go to supercross future stuff. So imagine you fall under that category. It's like you buy a release. And then they send some like from your home federation minds the AC something through today am and the F.. Lamb they a issue. A license in the prices for the licenses only came out last week apparently so I technically don't have the license yet apparent in the West. I think as long as you're as long as you're sanctioning body says okay. This guy is legit can ride. You know you're good to go so I was on the phone law and I I thought it was too easy initially and cool out again and she got yes Bernard. I've told you twice joining. This is how you get. I'm not I'm just double checking before I keep running my mouth even more. I want to make sure that we can do this. It's too late now bro. You're in now you gotta do on his is too late and we call people coming out and yeah family and I got really good friend back home medicines to your show and I remember across the UK who call and he said Tomase right. You can get your license. Yeah well good. 'cause I just put my flight data in this and he'll be stuck listens this we're in deep now m. c. m. c.. Go down the line with stuff and hang out think MACs just now said Lewis said the other day I think you. I think that Jeremy and I are going to signing in the pits the race. Oh Yeah we're in so so over our head so date on so serious so fast await really going on this honestly like it's been the best experience already like but not to take these at these opportunities often life. I think the whole reason behind it is I I was like I don't want to get to try and do a supercross right. Should've tried Sierra it lightly mad so try and the amount Jeremy in everyone's come on board is going to be amazing amazing. I honestly appreciates it. So it's it's a childhood dream on a state. I wonder if you were like two years ago or last year. Like one of my buddies forgot about that bet like I wonder. I wonder if there's still remember I still have to do that. That's awesome and saying we're Having a great time with that the the casing the triple crash or your worst downhill mountain bike crash. What's worse right now? I guess they taste bad downhill mountain bike crash got knocked out so bad. It was terrible. The mountain bike one of had one really me back one that the case I'm still having now in case the trip webby sleeping at at that I'd like back ribs and my right leg is Thirty sources so none of biking I know I can just get back home and I'm good again. You know like it's so humbling supercross ready something with it. Being so bad added something like two hours and try and hit the woods and look at it but how still so bad like it's ridiculous. I'm like I'm trying as hard as like hands. Hands apply myself be good still so bad so I guess that's why the triple was stereo again. Bet On good of this. I'll do the triple time. It was I read the other day. Go back to track. Is that right. You pay just quickly. Peer pressure believe insight instead on. Yeah I mean that's probably the best right will crash. That's probably the best. Yeah don't forget about right. Just get it done. That's it so are you. Yeah are you going to stick around and Watch Glendale Anaheim to or anything or head back home. Less right wasn't the seventh of January on the might try and stay. Okay now Jeremy's guy so they might have inhabiting request degrees race the weekend off the semi hang out that more to just chill to write several. It's honesty so so cool like now. We're like tomorrow we're going out to the PC track at Glen. Helen and Jeremy's coming along and bones suspension. which is I as I keep saying? I realize how lucky I'm with this bet. It's so exciting. But I'll show London you supercross tracks Mer a- and also to some people don't think about either like and you know you've been writing supercross stuff but like having your bike vowed and sprung for. supercross is a huge huge deal. A huge deal. That's such a big help crazy. Yeah I mean just to go yeah such yet such such A. How no absolutely so I like emcees? He's just all in on this Jeremy's all NC is the man turned up the track yesterday. And we're mountain biking. I realize it was going up to miscommunication an MCI drove up the track at domestic valley railroad tracks on. Yeah we we were getting there. She was leaving it if he gets kids up from school. I assaults rolling out where like Geez as socal rat. It's pretty hard to that. Yeah it's crazy. It's a sign. Efforts are racing race DHEC suspension privateer out in life but an art car. Well Good luck man. I tell you the good luck because I I I love for you to come up here up Vegas Well Mountain Bike Shit on the sitting on the show whether it's before you can't do it the week of Anaheim have to be astronauts. It's not three afterwards. I know what you do the week of Anaheim. I'm I'M GONNA Click. Yeah I think he just ride ride ride ride and ride cymbals much. I I think we you worked eight more days roughly. So I've done twelve bobby at twenty rolling into the show. So that's awesome. That's great awesome. Thanks for doing this. Thank you thank you. Yeah thanks to all of our guys Scotian the mirror. Thanks Max is to Max Tires. Yeah thank you maximize their onboard guys. Yeah very onboard. You're going to want to be proud of me on my. I didn't have the right correct rear tire for my Taser. The other day it wore I wore out ahead of Matt. I had so you know what I did. I put a front maxis maximus on the back of my Taser. Because it's the only time he you're GONNA learn now a lot of guys mountain biking do that really. Yeah Dude you're ahead of the curve you you don't even know I'll run I will raise onto. DHS to front ties. I'll race down and a lot of the top guys will. You'll be surprised I meant I meant that's what I did on purpose. Yes it's like the pro already. Absolutely yes nice. I'm glad to hear that. Thanks frame. Thanks for the time for doing this. I really appreciate. She had good luck with everything. Let's keep in touch led to get his show and I think you know I've gotten a lot of times in my mind seagrams and a lot of messages. That people really wanted me to call up and talk to you and and so we have the same maxim fly of course helping us both so cool. Thanks for doing this. Thanks so much the Sienna. I'll see you well. It's not the full Anaheim. Juan sounds good man. Thanks see that just aid.

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#30 - Mike Digby - Professional Hitting Partner

The Functional Tennis Podcast

38:27 min | 11 months ago

#30 - Mike Digby - Professional Hitting Partner

"I might be. You're listening to the functional tennis podcast and welcomed APSO Turkey of the functional tennis podcast. This week we speak to Mike Digby Mike travels. The world is a pro hitting partner. He's practice wit. Rafeh city poss- Hollow Medvedev Federal Judge. And more he gets the hang out at all the top tournaments with the top players teams and he gets an. Odem all that. Sounds like a dream job to me. Mike tells us all about it. Unimportant he tells US tenting. He's learned from paint with the pros as usual before we get started. I'd look a shadow tour. Podcast sponsors head. Who's mentioned before have released a new head prestige okay? Let's get started unless Assistant Mike Story on the ten things. He's learned from hidden with the pros. Hi Mike Welcome to the functional tennis. Podcast how he did it be here. I've been saying all your photos instagram. The past I don't know six months. Maybe and it's you hit with fetters. City Pass Rafa. How Medvedev so many head of this guy hit with all these players so it's finally great to get you on the podcast and find out more how you charmed them into being your hidden partner. Yeah thanks yeah thanks for having me a basically doing it for well on and off I guess about a year and a half now mainly fulltime. Yeah eight nine. Months originally started off Wimbledon in twenty eight manager. That kind of interesting by thirty came to do. The crime is playing college tennis states and then that summer I was yet just practice with loads of I seem is Muga Reuss Just not my suits and carnival kind of blew up the office to travel with a few clays and ended up to a lot of hitting the last eight months with limited. Us No one ever to China with her the year of doing delineate. You'd be funneled veterans. That's been been been great. Yes that sounds amazing. I know we're going to. You're going to tell us ten things you learned from him with these guys. But let's get to that in a moment first. How does federal contact you? Did He send you a? What's up or does some Davis team contact you. What way does that work? Yeah so every place. They different with federal. The first time it was I was at the eight finals. And in tournament organizers basically said to me is looking for a hitting partner. Would you be around today? You available you rate. Mars originally that all the tournament and started Medvedev and then move onto sits the pass and then when federal comes in tough to decide? Nice so yeah then told him Hogan is is put me in touch with the agent and then kind of all fell from there and then then then yeah incredible experience One you know. Hopefully fingers crossed over to taking partner again maybe Wimbledon but yeah even if it was the the only time it was unbelievable experience. Cowie to hear what you learned from that and some players. You say what players do differently. So maybe it's an agent fetters. Agent is called Tony. God's sake is at him that reaches out her. It's one of those guys are so it was him. Originally the tournament got in contact with and then off the bye. Laws dealings with the coaches so you had to. Even Liba chip for did a did a lot of too infirm. Fry Them for me and him and just allows you know. Rogers has focused on his practice on his to take the stress off having to do with no rain. Cotton or whatnot. So yeah after the initial kind of contact with the Asian. It kind of boils down to me. Man The coaches and the tournament as well so I would go in the morning and it's going to myself okay. Yeah and I'd watch practices being changed all right cool. And then I've got a message from even saying yeah car and Blah Blah so yeah every place completely different. Some of them like do it with them. Some like fitness trainers to do it. It's just very individualized. Okay and tell it so. You're hitting partner that you've made a conscious decision. I want to be a full-time him partner. Yeah so pretty much. I kind of don't say fell in my lap when you do one or two. Clay is not successful. You then kind of get bit of inch plasma so tournaments and and it Kinda just all kind of flows into. I ended up doing a lot of it full-time whether it was for a player or whether it was for the tournament so yeah and then it took the fun with with federal veteran November top. So then for me the next progression then then now going in the coachella thread travel travel fulltime with the players or more of A. It's a slush coach. So you're not interested in pursue and an actual singles career doubles career. I'd love to be out here but I think like with of you know the little lower ranks. Atp Classes is finance so tough financially. You know the features level and yeah plus. I'd love to say. Oh my level. Was that by come to a point when you get twenty one twenty two. You GotTa Be Realistic Yourself. Think whether you WANNA see obvious time for me. I just as much enjoyment as much as faction over helping an ATP or wj pliers lying myself. So I think that's kind of the park nothing to take and just to question that. Come to mind right away. You question your level at your current age is a good enough. Put your levels of C good enough to hit with these guys and what he needs to be able to hit with these guys like the hit with the best in the world. Y'All so you don't have to be the best player in the world but what he has to be good at so yet you completely right you. You obviously have to have a good level. I play to a very very good level. I was a junior in college. Played a lot of matches a practicing but for me. The two main things that I found reminds with the top. Top pros is consistency. It's obviously cake because I need to good rhythm especially with warm-ups They want to see yourself not trying to beat them. You're trying to help them. I think a lot of kind of genius playing Grand Slam a good genus. Sometimes walk from the only time these guys when you're hanging caught now. Your job is to make sure that you give them a consistently good bowl -able but they one that's going to help them when the when the next month so. I think I think the way I tries. Well I'm quite consistent with the web play and I it just seems to be something place in enjoy hanging and do you have to be able to get all the shots Edu. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah Ya quite tall. The united know again like I say every day for you have to cross one lines. You've got to be pretty quick. You've got to be good at changing direction or some of them. Say Right. Can you put yourself in a corner and Change Direction off the third bull? So you've gotta be quite possible and and be willing to kind of I guess. Show the show so. Make sure that you can hit. You can hit. You've always says something that I think. Some plays a really really good and sometimes you get can be tough. If not an easy job. You're hitting again occupied. Some of the best players ever so and they don't hold back. There's no there's no holding back they. They still want to practice. So you've got to be top and had you deal with tempo you play Matveyev unease absolutely on the baseline. Neyla at you and you. You must be under pressure. You're under low pressure buck. Why found is the you actually get used to the tempera. I kinda stole from me on what is going to be. You know tends to be so high. I'm just not going to be a co but actually obviously a massive difference between when you put method. Imagine someone who's going to be six hundred was the match Boschman. You'll practicing the tempos little high. Then why would normally practice? It's manageable once you kind of get used to the ten bucks. It's still under pressure. But you feel you can hold your own when you play points. If you feel fun I think I think he's planting when you practice. If you practice better play you generally will get better so if I'm practicing with the best in the world I'm getting better at dealing with that. That temporary both men. I'm working so so you've definitely improved from plane with all these guys all one hundred ten. Yeah I I've improved the thing that you need to be good out there hitting pot. I think that's one thing developed. His doctrine consistency the ability versatile and also the ability to kind of if they do say right when we play point to it can give them what they would want an points. I for example out of. Let's say Federer's playing you know not surrogate but she hit squad flop bull so they're not my job would be on the bomb exciting to pull out a bit more as opposed to if I was planning on Raza's four hundred you know be more spin so just to kind of be Tall Enough. Definitely call up better the more. It's definitely a great way to if you can get some good gigs or long-term gigs. To tour. The World go through the best tournaments. It's a good password. Yeah now one hundred hundred may not be some incredible places. I've played play off thrash right in Denver Fest. Atp Finals I'll play that too sorry wnba finals in China. And then the I've tried it some some pretty cool places and like anything. If you do a good job you put your face out there. And and you got along with a lot of the players and the coaches and a lot of you will you will want on a more full-time basis When you've had a bit more experienced so it's it's a it's a great way of getting getting better than it's like. Yeah it's pretty interesting. And what about payment let's say you're working at HP tour final so are you employed by D. H. B. Tour Dot Week? Yes again very very different depending on the second. Stop so if you're doing it for the tournament yeah you'll die with the tournament so you'll get your argue expense. Probably whatever it might be depending on the toll on Saddam wake but if you always supplier than it's more okay that's just flat out vow companion expenses your salary but yeah it totally depends whether you with with one player. Wins Colon okay? Well let's say where you're at. Hp Tour finals on your feet hit would everybody to start and then federal goes wants. Lock you down to dot change anything. no not really a question. Do you think it probably would absolutely doesn't the great thing about the if they need to take note replacement but how because. I'm now doing federal law. Whatever generally pretty funny chassis dot wait. They invited the cost to unions. And the well the casing had Hogan Room and then a congressman from owners. But YOU WANNA do this year So they both is with as As young genius to the guys as well Greg strange for them. So that Sunday at plenty I needed. We've all grown. He was on a first ever functional. Tennis PODCAST ON. I had you think he's GonNa make the transition to the pro game now. I think you can shake I again. I I mentioned satellite deep. I've done about well from watching results. Y right ingenious. Now the transition to the seniors anyone a winning matches and challenges getting good shape I love the way play. The bull quit good motions detect Ni. Yeah I think it's it's lighten. Young Jackson hogwarts more of a matter of time before he breaks through. A IF HE'S GONNA breakthrough easing ingratiate Jason Kramer and really exciting and we hope you have him back on at some stage. But let's move onto what you've learned from hidden pros or your list ready. I out molest ready. So ten. Ting's Mike has learned from him with the world's best female players show a thing which I found. This book might have famer at the depth of shop. You know when you're hitting with. Senator highlight length. Right got on the bowl consistently costco down the line. It pins you down on the baseline and you don't feel like he can retain top the ball when yeah that that shot. He's incredible it. It puts pressure and yeah the same time. It's just that reliable definite fussing before he wanted to have today trained that in a training session. I think it's evasion but finding motivation throwing what more discipline. I think. He's just the coaching staff and themselves. Descendants of rise. Hey My job here is make sure the online really really good debt so to no like I say a lot of people think my potion to what they do a lot of it basic basic drills but I just do the basic unbelievably well if it cross court for Twenty Bulls in you know. I'm not meet some baseline off major based on my hit. It at conferences says reputation reputation. But Yeah it's just discipline thing you focus and it's just a focus gives them to refocus complete focus and my belief that. GonNa do everything you had to use a Lotta cones out there. Yeah I'm hogging rocket I think when you get certain level especially dot level you know. I think about good raking pretty much whenever they will So I think maybe when they were younger that you know you get. That didn't need any tones. Any kinds it was just like on our cable. And that's why it's GonNa go down. So yeah the death of Shaw from me is the biggest thing they used to say. Pete Sampras could put a ball on a fifty p kind no not okay so number two so this is mainly what length for federal but for me variation spending speed so I mean by that when ours packed with eeking go look. I Dunno flower fossil and then on the next war right. Got It back. It's like great shape and the board. I just spent. He just has the ability to completely change the way the Bulls. I'm you in in in change. Just completely throw me off within a shop. Now it's not like a great poet beneath me but then he'll just started and just complete. Change The projector the ball and have me hitting the ball? Showed a high nanos knife and slice. You shank here. Yeah Yeah pretty much he will just do it every bold. I'm that you have to think normally when you're saying that new almost like just how much sleep where he makes me feel like. I have to think about what to do and every show so. It's just a variation isn't spending speed billeted change change on every shot whether it's a four hundred bucks is unbelievable so it's a bit like you never get the same show twice in a row. Yeah that's exactly it. Yeah not obviously keeps you guessing and that keeps all the payments as well. Because the amount of times I've seen implying. Notches where Opponents Mitch. Just kind of figured out. What ninety because of the he never shot twice and costly has plenty guessing. What's it like? Return to serve huff. Disguises unbelievable is it yet. One hundred percent that. This guy is bull tosses. Decide whether he's done. Why the body from the outside but I can't really tell he's obviously he pathans and I can kind of pick up on that but yeah so coffee. He's got one of the best stocks the game and sees a so you know because it's from a deadbolt as well so now it's not like we haven't reacted full. I head doctor this place it wherever you won't jam as unbeatable Mason okay. So number three number three. I guess mainly from all the high of the board I. I think I mean but I'm TV. Sometimes we look at it and think oh absolutely crunching the rule and so hard wish they are margins that giving themselves is unbelievable. You know I mean the best. Give it always talking with Nishikori at Wimbledon in this year and in the bowl regret shape over the next so you just can't really communist. Just giving himself margin every bully hit so he has the ability to stick in the Raleigh North actually was a great opportunity in the rally in her humbly fleet shock tolerance to the Buddha higher over the net with good good shape in a lot of people think and then when I need to step up like just flouting at how an ability to kind of pay income bullets disorder. What they're hitting the ball trine half foot over to ned. Would that be right? Yeah awfully yeah something like that. She's having a law that you're going to have a period ray just after almost say shelf right okay. I'm just GONNA say of that more and get into the hair. They can do it right down. Much Mason not necessarily the Hawk God even if what Guy Fifty six in the world that unbelievable really just actually brilliant show tolerance amazing. What about okay? So the neck clearance. They also give himself a lot of line clearance where they play down to say a lot more than we think. That was actually my number full great. So Nice segue great at my Momma full wars. They don't really go for lime. They don't need to hit like united they will give themselves a law of Maggio parable of the court so If they're having said that go maybe another? Call me away from the line so again. It happened not shape little. I'm giving yourself margin in. He's he's actually talked to me. Especially at that level. And that's why you see Mexico long hours and hours and now whenever no plays rock the margin by give themselves or you know the rallies braids. 'cause faithful that you know they don't. WanNa go for lines based off Michigan? They let that broken. They know how good the other players are going to be tough to get back so they wanna give themselves up notching as well. It seems to be a fine line between give themselves the margin but knock you keep adapter and not giving too much away because he gift guys anything. A Sniff Ashore Paul and they just move forward so good. That's exactly why I think for me. Why put my show is number? One is impractical. Profits is but you know you can see how important is because you're right these guys. I mean veterans just for me one of the best you give them a sniff of the short boiler anything he feels like he can come forward on he's going to pounce on it and that's what made make dishes between the federation then migrated caused trying to crack one hundred better will really take the bondage of of those short ables crucify so number five the number five foot speed and again what I mean but the ability to when they are on defense out the corners radi quickly again just the lateral movement. It's it's incredible. I whenever drills we're going on the price ought to be uncomfortable coaches to me like a bull. In in the nathi digress not putting in peninsula and they get it thought well and then all of a sudden I'm winner and then just out there in the plan another normal rally so just that speed across the ground coming forward and then also you have to hit five or six minutes to get guys to walk with them. The best way I can put it just -bility to stay in. Hollywood with the speed is is incredible. Song God's quicker than Others Arabia questioning someone like you know knocks gain styles but yeah we're not famous guys that Corey Novak or people are best shot quick. Well it's the speed and also intimidation is on belief. Oh yeah that's A. That's a good point anticipate weather now going before my Scott even hit it again. Nishikori for me is the one I feel. I was just crazy I never felt like I was actually on the front even as I guess he thought I wa- How could I? That's crazy much. Atp Cook last week. And I saw I only got into a late on but I saw a lot of Alex. D Noir and that guy is absolute rocket. Unbelievable unbelievable but that's a testament to how quickly it but like you say how it is in the shop and the laugh at athleticism visit. Incredible but yeah. He's on his patients for speed is very important whether you're moving forward or sideways and being able to write shut off at and by themselves time on get back into rally. Put you under pressure again. Oldies played in everything upset by. I can do all of the things almost as one. So you know the on the pressure out wide that show off of that is amazing that variation. That's been making that high over the next Cossack themselves so much smart on that really quick all these guys do all these things so which makes them at best. Buy in the world very true very true. Okay so six. Mike. What's your number six. So my number sicker conference she passed so I consistent tempo strike so whenever a veteran trade played. He's the walk. There's just put me on the crash with temper temper. Rally Bill fails like for me. Isn't always take my shoulder and really made in the Bible. The speed shop in his the quickness of his rocket that comes through is just unbelievable. It's so tough to deal with them. Even when you're in a coal and I sometimes just trying to get the Boubacar good death myself is really really tough. You hit the ball so hard but yeah so and it doesn't look it just doesn't like rush to and there's the funnels ice cold. The icy were incredibly quick as well so it was so tough to do so consistent. Ten curve is striving the consistent speed that he can hit the ball out was. It's crazy absolutely crazy. I say between the ball high had the perfect ball height bounce out in London as well as you say the course really quick. So yeah probably. It was one of his aides and helping to win the tournament which was very impressive. He was really good. Sounds like the way to drive. It's a bit like you're in a box much and urine wrong way division and the guys coming at you left right left right that. Yeah Yeah. That's that's grandma putting it. I mean he was just you can see why why he is being the kind of the next Gen. The next big thing in various people out because is For a guy that's also expect five. It is unbelievable. Yeah unbelievable tennis plan. Great Okay so moving. On from city passes consistent tempo number seven number seventy simple patterns of play One thing though. Six every single outcry is they do the basic Believes it'll be well. Isn't that nice secret secrets or are they like as complicated drills as no uniting that blow you on the job they will do the basic thing so well you know whether it is okay when you're on the side away just so wide and then on your four hundred plan inside out they'll do you know and that's why when. I was young junior when you're when I was in college. Those the ponds we would do and you know my thinking and it. Surely they do something different. Because there's so much better. Well they they just do the basics so much better than everyone else You know for me as a prime example whenever you watch him. Play with remind is incredible the way he plays what he got started. Well is he just great that and there's absolutely so consistent and just the basic things without whether it's crust call and down the line you know for me that's the one thing that we're the big is they actually do on the thing. The thing for argument I know I can do albeit nowhere near as good but they don't do anything unbelievably special interest true. Just radio LIGO. Two two N D to really really simple things. Yeah just completely and hockey almost do the same thing over and over again again. Intestinal Discipline Great. Okay we'll see. You need that to be anyway successful player. You need to be able to do those simple things really well number eight. Mike A is I think for me. It's probably the most important shop especially in the mankind is just even the place that you might think might not have a very strong sir or it might be a week caller gay. It's obviously a again. I I still trying to be well so practices Schwartzman this woman as well and he says or guy. I hope it might not be looking college. Actress on the South Shore Actually Bring. He can pinpoint his way. He wants it and not just saying there's a lot of others but yeah it's it's such an important shocked because at the end of that and that's how you stop pointing seventeen. She called. I hadn't media bosses pointy stock. If you if you're good accurate and again they should also guys with federal one reason being so successful as because of how good is savage via the biggest seraphim to world lead. It's just an average Sarah but it just shows the importance over accuracy and consistency over speed. It's more important. Yeah Yeah Great. And what they do anything specific in the practice sessions on the Serif or is it just luck? Were just warming up to Saraf. So I mean the match. So the match will not The fatty minutes slow that they will say on the data matches just kind of getting minimum. Reason showed up but I've applied day all. It's very much like they will In relation to the topic of the by applying so excited that client someone that may have a week about on another Determined rights to decide that new on the tail. Ovalles stuff so yeah. That was a lot of that based on clay depending on where they said by January observing and just hitting this false on on braeside great. Okay well that's yeah deporting to serve. It's really important number nine. Mike kind of feeds into what we were just saying. It topic cleared correct game plan. This guy's been lucky enough to cope with quasi been kinda listening to get an idea of what the game might be kind of like having a complete clear. Mind as to what you won't do not much and again nothing special just a few that thinking. Okay this is how can exploit its opponent's weaknesses and how we can kinda good about when this nuts and yes to me to hear what I say when they stopped praise and how they're gonNa go about winning much and yeah just having a clear and direct games consist US three or four point again. I thought it might be something a little bit more more extravagant but it is just three or four things that they're going to do in the NAS reassess when they're in a so once they wind previous ram much dig winter strategy mode and then every beat a day off anytime drunk quarter quickly working on tactics for the next round. Yeah that's it so yeah. Let's say they win right for example then the maps in the evening and soon as you're going to school the next day if united he applying right. Okay how we GONNA win the next month. Tell me not sure. If you know we sell imagine practice journal the players writer the pre-match in pre practice and post much posts plans in and reveres nephew. Did you ever see player use a journal? I haven't seen a journal. I have seen the place caused masters and right. Yeah General. They don't necessarily do it but matches they'll write down dot kind of the results. School many a few points in Sudan if they play doubles team or whatever again they can then refer doctorate. Did Nas time I want. I lost swatted. Wow the WOK. Probably didn't do so well so I've seen them kind of record results from not not necessarily not to be a lot. That's what they do in their off-season that's one of the reasons for our match journal. Where you of the wet would apply in your eyes down but then you go on. Abc We did wrong. You'd see did right. And also sometimes comps in middle class just clicks and you may play again. I'm completely forget until you're halfway through too much. Nikolic's again so I think right that's is really important. You can start your next plane because most of the time you play the same people over and over again. That's it. Yeah that's the DOT com and you'll write that a lot of time united having indirect game on sometimes I find. It just isn't going down losing connectivity willing to adopt but also like you say that might be a point in the mountains. We think one hundred. I've seen something here and then knocking just completely change. Change The ten code and the outcome match. Yes those times. Even you hit a shot by mistake in a much unrealized. That's slice actually were there Benefit Dave Dave Ohana. Last podcast talks about it. Yeah can can just change matches avenue ability in those adopt and recognize the going. Well I think is really cool on guilty doing it a being much down. I haven't actually changed the way I played host end up losing the match whereas you know thousands of the ride changed play. I'm all of a sudden comeback win so I think he's giving yourself with. Jong the chain play giving yourself about winning them out some. Did you live in the same things? And they're not working. Then you need to change your two ticks kid Jalek. I'm GONNA find a way this hall. Yeah that's it I think so that right okay. I'm not better than this guy right now. You know this guy out and I'll this being uneasy change something. Instead of saying on my level is good enough it will come wrong. I tried no doubt that you wanted to close probably not working so things change very very true. And that's why it's great to have a game that you can. You may have your favorite shots but that you can play every shot comfortably on slowest in all directions and be able to different types of four hundred different spins and all of a sudden then. You can start changing stuff around. But there's a lot of players say tear who are bid one dimensional. I would things get tough. I think you get into the problem then. Yeah for sure because I mean these guys that it doesn't work let's say plan B with other Kinda back with the four hundred four hundred. You know isn't firing haven't tried to set up and you can't really clam be because you don't feel confident doing it. So that's so good because if I need to crumby plan say whatever they have the ability yes not his very true very true so mike number ten number ten. I think Rog on this is watching. Watched them clients or practices. And it's the belief and confidence. They haven't winning as a select few players on the top thing with the ause. Chuckle Mitch's Serena Williams. Well she's not the they just have this end up police regardless of you know maybe how they feel in how they practice before they're gonna go to a much. GonNa win 'cause they just aren't they end up only a while. You just talked about level that you complete an off the confidence that they can win on any given day is different to cockiness a little bit but I think I love. The Place. Almost have a bit of confidence a little bit of arrogance. I think they need they need because generally anyone will fly. No so how does well? I say they know that good. Nothing the biggest thing is they. They know that they might not necessarily need to tell you that that good because they compete with the weather play go. They know they get the win. Whatever weather clowns whether it's moss thousands of be on whatever? Whatever goal is they? They know they can do it and I think style sly confidence then. Baragan cockiness in the makes them really hard to be true. I suppose it. They've been the best their whole life as well. They don't just show up in the world South Tan. They've they were. Best Juniors and our country underage under contract then there will cohen players. It's rare to just shows up out of nowhere and goes lands and goes. Hey I'm top ten hair top twenty or top priority. They've all been known just like the guys. Most of them would know each other of state with the with the federal city. Pas DOES THE AGE gap is too big like the federal and the dials Jock Itch. They know From Juniors on the go box of. They've always been they've always been the best. Yeah and I think if you have that mentality throughout each unique urine and going into any career. I think the guy generally expect to succeed. Expect to be number one in the world. They expect to be winning. Slums and I think when you have expectation not willingness to do basically. I don't think to get there. You do have a little bit of but of communism arguments about you and I think it's a bad thing. I think it's a good thing. I think there's a fine line but I do think that having other top top pro. Yeah it's a good thing. In my opinion. Great Mike there tanqueray tapes insights there from playing with the pros as you say they don't do anything magical. These things are pretty straightforward on. Sometimes you just need to be reminded of these things look. It's not a complicated game. It's game of simple things that you gotta do really well. It's not a billet in tonight. Show that that you do everything really really well. Oh the basics done really well if he can crack could foundation for yourself and and do all the basic well. Then you're GONNA BE A COUPLA. Yes true so people. Listen start to into sample things. Really well Mike Sue. What's your plan? They're moving forward. Twenty twenty being often enough. He plays in Spain. La Rob me dish by ten days and then I'm going to be Run Garros as a hitting partner with a prior. It'd be the tournament also Wimbledon again. Quite few on its own room so I'm going to be out in a few eighty two. Who are in potentially tournaments as well So so yeah exciting times and starting like next year when this day last year. I laughed for the open. I'm so upset this year. Not going but I'll be back next year and Amina County Osceola Open. I can possibly do few more tournaments than moving forward so really excited. Hope might see at one of them. look at working hard working hard on the practice courts. Yeah I I feel. See me out there as one. Iranian frustrates the ship. But I've seen it. Dad Know You love it down there. It's just a magical place on recommend of setup before recommend everybody ident Australia at some stage. It's a great trip and well-worded great. Mike will look at thank you very much and yet we'll follow your journey online banking. Thanks for having me cokie. I hope you've found Mike's insights really useful. I certainly did. I will give food for thought to my next practice. Sessions on practice sessions throughout the year. 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Momofuku Kawi Post-Opening Diaries | The Dave Chang Show

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Momofuku Kawi Post-Opening Diaries | The Dave Chang Show

"Hey, Kelly, and welcome to the ringer podcast network. Just wanted to remind you guys that every Sunday night after each episode of big little lies, the ringers, Amanda Dobbins and ESPN's Munichites breakdown, everything we just saw in our new after show called big little live in partnership with Buick and after you check that out, make sure to subscribe to the meantime, show, featuring Lenny, a weekly NFL podcast with frequent contributions from her beloved dog and sidekick name Lenny, you can subscribe to the meantime, show, Lenny on apple Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts and make sure to watch big little live every Sunday night on Twitter. Tank show part of the ring podcast network, presented by major Domo media. Today's guest is the executive, chef of Momofuku, Cowley, Anjar park. This is our third time on the show. This time, it's the post opening diaries, we've done to pre-opening diaries of Momofuku Cowley in Hudson yards. And you've seen sort of the snapshot of where she's at from anxiety and sort of freaking out, basically about opening her first restaurant and the pressures involved and the trials and tribulations to sort of finding your voice, and there's this moment before you open up a restaurant, where everything that you felt was negative becomes positive. You believe that things can happen. It's this the most intoxicating feeling even though just like a week before you were thinking it's all going to end badly. And I've always found that in openings of restaurants, and in the second installment of the pre-opening dire, you're getting a sense that unjust, beginning to see what she can do. And what her? Our team is capable of as a gels with the front of the house. And our co the GM and the team at Cali that runs the floor. They got a great review couple of weeks ago by Ryan Sutton and eater and p wells in the New York Times. And I think for a lot of people, it would be like a time for celebration and to sort of sit back and relax. But this is the most dangerous period. I think in restaurants, career trajectory is the post review because it's almost like winning a bunch of games in the NFL, and you start off, like six. No. But if you don't get better, you may not make the playoffs and things are only going to get harder from here on out, and we go into detail and not talk too much about it. But I think this is the hard part right now. And this is what makes the culinary universe. One of dumbest jobs in the world, but also the best because, like, I think every job out there, the more successful and the more experience in the more wisdom you acquire. The more difficult. The job becomes and the best way to describe this. If this was like a video game or like tetris or four now which I've never played before I think players would be really upset if they got deeper and deeper into video game and it got easier and easier. Nesar people would be like what the fuck you expect it to be harder yet. I don't know why in the culinary world in restaurants. We expect success to be met with easier expectation, and I'm not feeling good. That's not about what I'm trying to say. I just feel like Anjar is very aware that she's got to make some changes. She's gotta find work life balance. She can't burner team out and being present is the hardest thing because she still has to help build a culture we will be there to help her do it. And it's not easy. It's one of the hardest things in the world. How shut the fuck up. This is my conversation with undue park, again, kudos to her and the whole team. I think she is going. Oh really change the game, not just for Creon food, but food in general because she's just that good. So please check her out check out her food and these. All right. I'm with chef on Joe pork of Kali. This is about a week after your first review of your entire life as executive chef. What was it like to have eater and New York Times that come out in the same day, very nerve wracking? It wasn't a good day. I didn't know what I was feeling was very numb numbing day. Why was it? So numb, I guess I didn't know what to expect. I thought about whole situation from worst reviewed to the best review. And I just didn't know what we were getting. And I didn't know what after that review comes out how feel and for about two weeks. You knew that it was coming out, getting photo, shoot know views, there was something interesting that you told me when I can't remember which photographer asked, but they were in the restaurant for a while. Taking photos of the dishes on your day off. It's probably the last place you want to be on your day off, and they're asking you to smile. They're saying smile Joe. So I'm posing, I'm pretending to be pleading dish. And the photographer. She asked me to smile. Honestly, I really can't smile cause I don't wanna look like an idiot when the bed really comes out, and there's a big photo of smiling. So I just wanted to prepare for the worst. So it was hard smiley for the photo shoot. Thoroughly unenjoyable process entire review prep, photo-shoot, fact, check. How can you be prepared for this, right? Yeah. Especially that I never done it before. So that had no expectation and didn't know what to expect everything, like from the interview to even photo shoot in. Let's back up a little bit since we last spoke to you, you were about to open up the restaurant, we sort of had the ark of you spending a lot of time prepping out in your head. What you thought Kylie was going to be an. How that was useful. But ultimately a waste of time and it really took the last sort of two weeks to find your voice into find some comfort. I know that it's been incredibly difficult. Can you talk about your feelings sense? You've opened up Cowie. What you've learned what has been the most surprise. What's been the biggest disappointment? I will say biggest thing that how collie is turning as it's becoming more more of a Korean restaurant than I ever expected. I, I wanted to some kind of my previous experience, as a non Korean food, and then bringing into collie. But now it's more of a Korean American food like myself, and I'm learning a lot about myself as a manager. How I lack what are you lack? My biggest one is coming occasion. Not with. Manager team. But with myself to how to speak, my thought like just right now, you know, it's really hard for me to express my thought through my word, so still struggling, it's incredibly difficult to do because you have probably ordering you still have to get you have an HR meeting where review and then simultaneously you gotta finish this dish. And then you see a cook across the line doing something they shouldn't be doing. How do you communicate everything at the same time, like how do you grow in that environment? It's very difficult. So I just started jotting everything down for today. So I've so many things going on. So like everyday I fill up a paper and then I need to check marks, so, like, okay oh shoot, I had to talk to the dishwasher, I have to check out the payroll, you know. So that helps a lot, but trying to be honest and not pretend. And that I know everything is a big learning experience right now. What do you mean you have to pretend that, you know, something what do you mean by that? 'cause they worked for me, and I want them to feel when they come up to me that I have a solution for them, but I don't not all the time and being able to be vulnerable in front of our cooks. Not just the managers they see me as a human, and they see us as a growing team together. Not just me pushing them or meet becoming something else. Would you agree being vulnerable and transparent and showing failure is harder than being perfect? It's very high in. It's very personal too. But I feel better now 'cause we all together in everyone's feels comfortable around them. So it makes it easier to be more honest. Can you? Talk a little bit about your ability to assess talent now from free Cowie to post Cowie who do you think you want to build your team around now? Do you want to build on someone's resume? Or do you want to build on? I learned a lot during lots of interviews and people, you know, like they're so great during interview, and they're so enthusiastic, and their resumes, amazing. And they'll start a week later and it's a totally different person. And I have the same experience where a cook they suck it interview they stumble. But you could tell that they really want to be part of the team. So you're like, okay, let your so short lets us give it a try. One of the person is junior sous-chef right now. And we have a lot of the re-cook that started off, but then push push push in now, like they're like, the one of the strongest cook, what prevented you from promoting people that were more inexperienced before had just had that idea of having the perfect junior sous chef or the perfect sous-chef, but you have to grow together. It's not like I'm not perfect. So why should I. Expect junior to shift to be start off perfect. It's really hard like people dealing with people is the hardest thing. And again, this is something I tell everyone now in Momofuku it has nothing to do with cooking winter becoming show. That's what makes it so hard, you got to be a chef because you're good at it. Now, you gotta learn HR labor in laws. You gotta scheduling in a different way. You got to food costs and I now I'm doing everything that I'm not good at, and you have to be careful about that. I really think you have to be careful about that because this and I've seen this before, including myself when you are struggling to learn in kitchen, that one thing you hate to do is to not to cook into not to create not to make new dishes, and to discipline and to do that kind of work sucks. But the worst work by far the worst work is the paperwork, the mundane office work that sucks, the soul out of you. You gotta be careful not to only do that Fisher because the reason why you get stuck doing that even though you hate it, it is the bane of your existence at the only thing you can learn how to control. You gotta be very careful in that only. Makes you more unhappy. Because now you do the thing that you hate the most, but it weirdly gives you, some sense of accomplishment. You should really try never to do it. Yeah. I mean, I'm training her sushi to take some part of the admit lurk, but I do have this insanity feeling everyday ever since the review came out like I have to change it a menu to change the menu. So, like this, something, you're night, discuss I told you that I don't have time to our Indy. And you told me pick a time the busiest time between lunch and dinner for the five work on a dish. I know I sounds crazy. But just work on it. And then you're at the force yourself something that you don't want to do, and that's the last thing you wanna do is make a dish when it's pandemonium in the kitchen. So I've been trying if I didn't get to do it by five like, when sous chefs are working service, I will just stand in the back of the kitchen and try to come up with the dishes, so dead helps a lot in a way that I feel I'm kind of part of Beck in the kitchen. I'm trying to put my foot down Beck in the kitchen. But that anxiety feeling is getting stronger and stronger. And yeah. Now that reviews out like a half like I have to start all over again. It's like back to square one not so fucking. Yeah. No, that's real Matt. I know it's hard. And you have to continue to do that over and over and over again. Yeah. And, you know, like my friendships was stopped by the restaurant, I would like congratulate me they're like, congratulations. Look. How you feeling like everyone, so happy for me, and I don't know why. But I'm not happy. Aren't you happy? He's not that I'm unhappy just I've more more worries more anxiety more stress more good stress to worry. So. Yeah. When people are like, congressman how you feeling. I'm just like, yeah you know it's good. But I think they know they could see my eyes. Before we go deeper into the review. I want to mention one thing, and this is how we would talk normally just happens to be podcast. I was pretty critical of you, because I saw you working, and you're working, you're working in a way that was good for you and not good for anyone else. And I felt that you were having your team work in a way that was oftentimes not reflective enough. Not smart enough. They were just doing work to do work. And you are working on lot, many, many, many hours. You're just working, like you know, we just wanted to get the service done. We wanted to break the record. We wanted to bigger covers every night, we just wanted to prove to everyone that be opened the restaurant and we were operating German. You tell them what I was telling you to do cut the covers to very, very minimal and everyone, including myself in the first time I heard it. I couldn't understand, like, how can we train our cooks when we're cutting our covers that? How can we push them when we only thing hundred covers in six our service, but talk to you, also, I talked to Sarah. We are going for quantity and lot, we should have definitely focused on what's quality and to train them, properly, how to execute each dish, how I wanted to present it. So, yeah, it helped a lot at the end, like our team got stronger taking the covers slower read. We've definitely focused more on the menu. This is gonna be something again, I would tell you if we won't on a podcast. And if I saw you having a hard time, communicating maybe maybe even like struggling through frustration the reason why I wanted. You got slowdown. Someone can't say that they care, they gotta show that they care, particularly cook. And I believe in the beginning stages of a restaurant, the cultural components are more important than the numbers. And it's an unfortunate part of our business that oftentimes you have to open up a restaurant because they are numbers, you need to make numbers where 'cause you're burning cash, and I made sure that we had enough runway thankfully, that we could burn cash because what was most important to me, was the cultural aspects could we teach your cooks. Could you teach your cooks how to care how to learn from their mistakes? And hopefully it was just busy enough where it wasn't like working at a culinary school restaurant, while you just for, like, four people per station, and it's total fucking bullshit, because it's not real life. And people just mail it in because it's like what doesn't worry because it's not real. You need to have the right amount of business. So people can go down in flames. And I felt I was just. Right a business, but somehow we weren't teaching people how to actually care about something. And that's what I wanted to tell you over and over again, is Joe. This is the time to show them how to care about something. Why would they know? And that's what makes us against so fucking hard both from ARA and the front of house in the back of house. It was the kind of business where if he got in the weeds you could easily get out, but it was just enough the weeds to teach your team, just how bad it could be. And again, not so busy where, you know, they couldn't get out of it, and that was my challenge us. Could you show them how to care? And I think that what happened what I was gonna say unhappy, but I expected it. You wound up making a lot of the decisions wherever you. You know, cooking the dishes, that matter the most whether VIP came in or not, or if someone was trying to figure something out, you would just do it for them. And I've been there. I'm a master of that, too. We are like, I don't have the time for you to founder and to, like fuck it up. I'll just do it myself. And that's the hardest thing that I think a lot of us and clothing myself, how to get better at is like having the patients, not to intervene. And I think also promoting our strong cooks to junior sous-chef. I think that shows a lot to the other folks to think that if they work and carry enough, they can become something within the restaurant 'cause not about if you're the best cook in the world, do you care the most? And you are just overwhelmed with work. And I felt so bad. I just wanted to help out and I know that we were all there, Sarah myself, Josh and JJ to help you as much as we could. But you are still finding your voice in you're working like a lunatic. Your cooking so crazy. I and I was like we need to back off. How did you feel when we told you to slow it down? I was slowing down on to find time for yourself for as jokey as it sounds personal life. I mean as much as I want to as much as I wanna sleep in or just walk around the city, they're suing shit that has to be done. And of course, I wanna see. But I just felt like I had to be there all the time or or it's not gonna be what I wanted to be. So everyone overworked and I, I blame myself because I think I set that example and everyone all. I think that what you wanted to do. And I think you're still trying to get better at is show people. Okay. This is how we do it. Is there a better way? And that's what I mean by working dumb. It's not just to do it the same way that happened before can you have some kind of reflection in awareness to see, maybe, there's a better way to do this, how can I save time? And you can't think that way when you're chased by time. And that's when you really into slowdown. Before we go on, let's take a quick break to hear from our sponsors. Today's episode of the day Chang show is brought to you by simply safe, and they're over two million burglaries appointed every year that's one every thirteen seconds insane. But what's actually crazy? 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And of course, we wanna feed as many people as possible, which I never understand, like, there's something so stupidly gung ho about doing three hundred covers no quality. We'll get there. Let's get it right. First, and then we were understaffed very would you agree that the whole culinary world? It seems as understaffed how a share I reached out to the chefs bidden Hudson Yar shaft. Like, do you have anyone that you're not gonna hire, we'll take them and one of the show? Jeff said I've been working Garmisch station double for two weeks. So everyone is struggling, and we all have to make due because it's not just Hudson yards this entire industry, New York City, people are always looking for cooks, not just anyone. That's talented literally just anyone. And it was a tough decision to be like, Joe we need to close a day. And then thankfully, getting the work with the related team in the owners of the building. They actually had the great recommendation to be close. Another day, I was on what I felt like you. You're like what that's like fucking up my world a little bit to shut down for almost two months Mondays in Tuesday's so we could get some balance when I told you that was happening. What was going through your head? Was so excited. I was like God gave me another chance. There are so many things I wanted to get done, and so many things I thought I could get done, but honestly, like not much lot of interviews were we higher than we lose people manager teams quitting on. There are a lot of stuff happening. So. It was demoralizing, I'll say discouraging nuts. Right. That's a better word. So I was like, we need to slow it now, instead of trying to work faster in which is why this business, I think can be so dumb is out, oftentimes, you don't have the chance and I wanted to make sure that you have provided every opportunity to learn. So we slow down against the wishes of our servers, and some other people. We decided to shut it down up until wet, my what KOMO weeks now open seven days starting next week. Are we are we in a better place now? Did you seven day? Honestly now how are we going to do that? Okay, get out. But all I know is that our cooks are definitely better position now with our very limited cooks. Each service, everyone knows that they have to have everyone's back. So the culture is definitely there the tea market Stephanie there. So I'm not worried. We just need G more bodies more bodies. Yeah. So if you're listening, you're hiring roaring. And if I was young cook and I wanted to work for someone I thought was going to be one of the best chefs out there. Now's the time. But it's really hard to think patiently when you're like fuck, witches meet people. That's what had been on. It was more of sous-chef running the service than cook scores viewer so down. So after one open call I just hired bunch of people like six cooks and put them in a new station, just training them to open up for lunch service was so hard, but realizing that they're not getting proper training, which makes them unhappy, and then they would leave, and I saw that what while those doing was totally wrong, and I was part of the reason why they quit that there was no proper training. So a still learning. But now we are definitely taking a slow for hiring people even though we are still looking, and you could tell like when someone is properly trained and how the knowledge in the philosophy of what? Restaurant, is, is passed to the cooks, and then how they bring it to their station in the Meson. Plus it shows a lot. You're, you're like, indoctrinated in with the with the values stuff you can't do it all at once and that was real. That was probably the hardest thing to learn. I think ultimately was wait. I gotta do all the things that are opposite of what I think I should be doing everything. Sorry. Everything so hard. And this is why it's sort of like the Cest like challenge, every day gets harder, and you just sort of have to accept that. But that's sort of what makes this job dumb, and ultimately the best job in the world. And we're all going to be here for you till you can like feel good about it. But the fact is how you want to run this, and what you've grown from is amazing really to watch, and that all these challenges that are presented to you. You're not blinking. You're like, okay, I'm may do this again. Then I'm gonna learn from it. So we have closed the restaurant down today's opening again for seven days soon. And we were trying to limit the numbers, so you could find your voice as to how you want operate. Now, we've been reviewed and we got reviewed waste sooner than we thought we were going to write in simultaneously. You're teaching all these cooks. Completely different cuisine. This is fucking Harjo. You have all these resumes, that people that working at French restaurants, where they're like, wait. What is this? How do I pronounce this ingredient? It's very norm to see that guests will be like, what kind of restaurant is, is or what's this? Can you describe the menu 'cause I don't understand anything and it's, it's very fascinating, especially from the open kitchen to see the guests eat in. You know, like non Korean or non Asian people eating Kim, Bob and rice cake, and enjoying it. It's very fulfilling. With the reviews, partly why I was a little bit worried is this is not the restaurant it's going to be in the future. You. And I both know that. And I think you're like this is how long when be judged. This is not it. I this is incomplete right Ellis, so frustrated 'cause we just opened two months ago like come on gimme some time, you know, menu wasn't wary, what I wanted to be. You're still close today's you're still keping numbers were still trying to figure it out. And then I got an Email saying, you're reviews are coming next Tuesday at okay. I don't know what I should be feeling because, you know where you wanna take this whole thing. So let the audience know where you wanna take collie. This is your opportunity to tell the whole world, where are you wanted to be in five ten years? And we're in Kelly right now. So they're preparing for service over here ship. That's what. If I wanna take Kobe to ten right now carries at two. It. We're just beginning. There's still so much to change the thing that people should bet against you. And I didn't think about that. I know I wanna change people's conception of Korean food and why I think it's growing. I mean it wasn't my biggest intention for colleague. But the more I'm cooking the more I'm thinking about how people wants to see Kara. Yes. And if I could change that one thing like the Korean food can be done in this way were colleagues doing then I think I'll be happy with it. Did you grow up with a chef like yourself as a role model? Who did you grow with your role model who were your role models as a chef? I grew up, I didn't have cable, so I grew up watching PBS Mayawati tally, Lydia Ming Cy. And then on a professional level you work for them. Chef Thomas Keller. Dave chairing was anyone create American female now. Did anyone that you grew up looking at have you're kinda resume now? So I remember now that we said, just think ten to fifteen years later, some Korean American girl from bucks county can look up to you and think that Korean food could be done in certain way. That's my goal in that they're like, wow. Under got this restaurant. It's got this going on in that going on. But they can follow your career and be like it can't be done. And you can do it by being new and cooking food from your heart not from a cookbook, right? Not from some bullshit, top fifty award show. And if you can do that, then, no reviews gonna fuck it matter. That's just the truth. Now it's like it could be one star two stars through star four star doesn't fucking matter. Because like if you get to that point where you can be honest, with yourself in cook the food that you want to do, and have people love it. And tell the story that you wanna tell doesn't matter if people get it or not. You're just doing you. And that's what we've talked about over and over and over again by being yourself. And when you're closer to doing that, that's going to be a sight to behold, and that's going to be the Cowie that people are going to be like fuck. Because if people are blowing away now come on. Joe? They don't know what the fuck. They're gonna expect on the road. They better. Hold on. That's what I think. There is so much like a week ago, a chef came, and then I kind of talked him and the chefs friends said, you should take some vacation. She must feel good. Now that after reviews out and the chef looked at the friend said, no, this just a start is a Joe, like expect just letting you know, it doesn't get easier. It's just gonna get harder. And especially now I have a goal that I know clearly what I want this coward to be in long term. So when we talk about your food, how's it different than everyone else's Korean food? That's made. The biggest thing is you're not trying to change a dish like we're not trying to create or adding another ingredient to make something different or new, you're using a dish that's been on forever, and change internally that change from within. What did you think about the Pete wells for you? I think he was fair. He knows what our tensions are. And I was happy to see that he understood it did you want through stars? I did. But if we gotten three star, I would have known that we didn't deserve. What if you got, like four stars what the five, I don't know. I, I don't know. I didn't expect it. I thought about it, but I knew 'cause I it wasn't a menu that I want for start to be so. I was actually really happy that you didn't get three stars mainly because we spoken at length me, and you about all the things that need to get better, and your frustrations with the things I don't working. Well. And I felt that if you got three stars I think it could have from Pete wells in the New York Times, but it would have validated. A lot of the things that won't change. And I know that you want to change, and I thought that it was very accurate view from Pete. Well, a different star system, the neater and here's the thing I think it's a great review. I think it's a three star restaurant. I really do. I'm privately happy because I know that it's on that you want, like erase and you're going to get three stars or more when it's going to be the version of Cowie that you feel fully is who you are. And if you got it through now, I think that would have been a bad thing. I agree. And you might have gotten a little bit lazy, not that you would have been lazy, but you know what I mean? Yeah. And what do you think? How do you explain this, that your food changing from the inside out versus from something, what the chefs adult mix are trying to do, which is pushing the boundaries of what crane food can look and taste like still in the form of Creon food. How are you changing it from the inside? Now, I guess the easiest one that I can compare as Kim bum. There are so many ways you can do Kim up people see it as like this one snack humble, cheap food, just changing that concept of that Kim pop has to be that cheap food. And then it could be something else like sushi. I think that's part of the change. What do you think can pop represents in the meaning culturally, just cheap food, but his Japanese, it came is Korean food. So I- sushi. People already know that it's expensive food. It looks serious ingredients and Kim puffs. Not so. I always have hard time explaining Cuba. Maybe we'll talk about another day. I will just let people know that there is so much work in symbolism. And meaning in the Kim bombs, that undue is serving that it's way more than meets. I there's a lot of contemporary commentary on Korean food, and Japanese sushi will just leave it at that at all that you need. Explain everything Joe. But there's a lot more and I'm incredibly proud of the king pops that are being served there. I just don't think there's anything like it in America or even the world today. And I, I really mean that. The other thing I really liked about the p wells was what he didn't like was Momofuku Steph. Chicken. That was for Pete wells, right. Yeah. And not just the chicken. I just think that they're, the Momofuku like elements that I think we needed to have to get you started whether they continue to remain or not. I like the fact that what he liked was who you are. And he could tell the things that were not exactly who you are. I thought that was great. I mean he's basically saying Joe we want more of you. Unless a moment. Grew. God bless couldn't have made me happier. I mean granted like I disagree with him, not like in the chicken. I think he's dead wrong because he doesn't know he says it's bizarre and basically weird. But I think it's actually one of the most Crean dishes. We have Sipa Korean it doesn't get Korean than that. But if he doesn't understand that I'm not gonna he's trying his best to understand Korean food, and I would argue that if you're gonna talk about Korean food, you should know. But listen, he's trying. I mean it's don't go. It's also talking about Korean fried chicken. It's a statement on cream fried chicken. It's also a statement about how chicken can be a lot of different things. It's a sort of your version of what like art is what cream culture is, this is your interpretation of a no one's gonna tell you what it is. So what's Dongo Ken gar is a table side, Stu. Chica. Jay is usually prepared beforehand, Chunga is usually meet like boiled and eaten right away. Why did you want to serve it in a French copper popped? Oh I not it looks great. And I think it was a little bit of commentary and Joe's past with her friends training. I'm sure it definitely. But you didn't wanna put it in a Korean pottery, clay pod were Japanese spot. Now, I don't think I have to present it in a Korean or Asian way, if intentions are there than just nice looking plate. We could've made it look very you could've made it look very cream. If you made it like a look like traditional jungle, but if you haven't seen ordered her chicken, it looks different PICO, in our say it looks weird in a good way because it doesn't look Korean. It doesn't like Japanese, maybe a little bit. But it looks weirdly, more French and a copper vessel. I and then you serve what with it after the breast. And the jungle Sally steamed whole chicken may take off the breast and use it as a Chong gore. And we'll take the rest of the steamed body enriches defiant, and then toss it in a chicken spice and serve it as a fight chicken with family. Which is pickled Dicon. Let's take another quick break to hear from our sponsors. Today's day Chang show is brought to you by Sonos Sonos meticulously designs, every speaker from the inside out there experts in acoustics, and engineering, even work with Oscar and Grammy, winning producers mixers and artists to ensure an immersive listening experience. 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What is it about Korean culture and Korean food where everything has to look perfect, but it's not perfect. You know what I mean? Like I talk it a little bit about it before. But in that way, I almost feel like it separates us in summarizes. Create versus Japan Japan has to everything has to be the perfect looking aesthetic. Everything's balanced Crean, everything is almost perfect, but rough or fucked up intentional intentionally end. I think that's a Korean food is I know which is why while I can see why he wrote this review. He couldn't have been more fucking wrong about the dish if I have to say, what is the most Korean dish on his menu is this, it is a dish that not Korean, but in a French vessel, but is Korean all the flavors are creamy chicken? With almost symmetric lines and then you sir something that is gnarly. It's a commentary on you Korea and Mike. How it's perceived and it's like you could have made the whole thing look Japanese, I mean, especially the fried chicken part, is a that kind of fried chicken is called. She young chicken. She Jongmans market, and you'll buy three four dollar very cheap fried chicken, just d- fried. No better, nothing. Oji Cree fraud. Yep. That's what it is. And I listen, he's a great writer. But if he can't appreciate all the work and thought that went into it, I can't be like he doesn't get it. But here's why it's important to do what you're doing. Joe by you doing this, and you talking about this means that the next generation of chefs that want to cook Korean food. They don't have to worry about someone not understanding. You're the fucking first person that's doing. This shit. That's why that's why. Now it's just the beginning. Now, I have to study harder, like I have to know my shit better. I think that is great. I think it's delicious, and it's the most Representative to me of modern cooking. You think the king pop, which it is. I think it's the chicken, and I think there's other dishes, like it that are going to be similar in its vein Representative Korea, but we're not in Korea, but it's commentary in Korean food. It really is. It's art. When I when I do that podcast with Rick, tear Vanesian, and he's saying how he did his art show by cooking pad Thai. And how did an electric walk and how he just did the whole thing, and what pad Thai noodles men and how Representative independence from China. And how cooking an electric wok is symbolic of Americans misunderstanding of walk cookery, because it sucks. You can't cook him an electric wok. I look at that dish. And when you when you help construct that I was like that, to me is your artistic expression. I got it. I was like, well, I bet you, there's some people that won't get it. So yeah, am I giving shit to Pete wells? I think so a little bit because I think it's he says it's neither spectacular on its own or the combination is bizarre. And I don't think he got it. And that's one reason why at least we have this podcast will we can talk about. She can certainly feel that it was. But that's one angle that's one angle that's true to him. But our angle, I think is a different representation, your angle. I should say not our angle, but I say hours from Korean, but yours as the chef and what it's turned into. I think is like it's a beautiful thing, and we have nice little tat about what that New York Times of you meant. And I think we got everyone on the same page as to saying, like, it's gonna feel really good. When you guys get another review. The next day. So New York Times online comes out Tuesday, just the next day eater comes out. What happened? I was in middle for lunch service, and everyone just start congratulating me. And apparently the eater review came out and we've got three stars. It was a very good review. It's an excellent review, and it was the only positive review in the entire eater. No that everyone got review. I just 'cause I didn't get to read it till later, but reading that review felt better better than your. One. Knowing that both reviews are out and over with it. We can move forward. How important was it for you, that Ryan started off with kung Junge Jon ahead, an idea that he liked it because every time he came he ordered three times. So I was like, okay maybe he likes it. But you're serving raw crab. That's an Arleigh. It's very narrowly and it's very surprised that that dish that raw crop in a fancy new shopping mall. I would've never thought that that was the dish that would highlight Howie does to me. It's like one of the dish that I try to keep it very traditional minimal. It's delicious. It's very good. If someone that hasn't had rock crab before, how do you tell them to order it? His it's not in everyone's comfort zone. I, I, I tell them the texture is softer than what you would think, but it's not fishy. So it's more slowly front so I- makes the rice in the role. So it's easier for them to eat other than just eating a raw crab, and then that also gave them twisted side of Keam so they can wrap around it. And it it however they want to eat it. I never had conjuring, your John, when we could get the crabs in major Doma would get through the young John which the spicy version. That's my favorite. I'm never thought about eating team, that was a real brilliant, masterstroke move. Have you ever done with Kim before not wrapped around it, but like sprinkled on top sprinkle? See, but that's a real innovation. I'm telling you, I've had it in Korea. You've had have you ever? Ever seen it served with a side to Kim before. It's crazy. Think about. I mean, this is seems so insignificant. But when you made that dish, I was like fuck Joe my mind was like what that's so smart in something. So simple has never. Maybe it's been done, but not to my knowledge and, you know, what's amazing now you're gonna have all these people that have never had Junge Jong before get it. And now they're all gonna think that aside a Kim should be served with. That's pretty fucking cool. I mean, it's really, really cool to see people really not adventurous people order crab, or clam in really going at it. It's nice to see them enjoying that. But that's what I think, what Pete wells was saying, like changing from the inside out you're still serving Korean food. But even though it's the tiniest little fingerprint, you still put your fingerprint on a dish. And that's why continue to always think a little bit more in talking to all these are critics gives me a better understanding of the significance of something like when Jerry Saltz was talking about the color palette that Andy Warhol used, and I'm never really appreciated Warhol. But he's like, no one ever did it this way before you have to understand the significance of him using these certain pastel colors and stuff like that, that was really revolutionary. And for you to serve kung with cited team roasted toasted team, which is like the cousin or very slim to Japanese Nori. That was like I was like fuck Joe. There's. There's probably a million more things that we can do or you can do with Korean food. So I couldn't have been more static that the eater review started off with his love of your getting. And for those of you that are like, yeah, we're doing some stuff with vox media on Hulu TV show. This has nothing to do with Ryan sun eater. And if people like oh, you only gives you good reviews. No. That's not true. He's given us a couple horrible, horrible reviews. Just read his Nishi review. It's the most a pretty an wells those that was a game changing for us. He also loves your bookie. That's very new. No one's ever done that before. Oh, I got inspired. I was living in Korea. I went to this Tony market. And this old old lady I think she started it. I don't know why but evidence serving saucy rice cake, where she just use the walk as stir fried it in a chili flakes in she became this, like a founder of this, stir fried rice, kicking to eat it, and it was so good. We used to serve preferred rice cake, Ed own noodle bar. Oh, yeah. I remember that. Your thanks for quoting us. But I wanted to create something in that style, spicy dried ice skating. It's great minutes. A lot of fucking worth that goes into that dish. So there's a reason why, why do we only serve it for lunch? Is so time consuming to make that rice gate coil. So we only have like twenty to twenty five per day, and here's the funny thing in a reminder, why it think it's good to have multiple perspectives overview. Ryan son buffs, your chicken. Basis says it's like the best dish on the menu. That's why I think I was happy to read eaters review in emend me feel good. I mean our one goal before we open was be the best restaurant despite the location 'cause we're inside of a mall, and it feels so weird to review are people saying, like, I hate going to us in your but I'm only going there for copy. While we're, we're getting there, you gotta get the service, and we will continue to talk as you grow. And I think there's a very important shaft that which out to me earlier today, and I spoke to them, and they said that your podcasts yours specifically was incredibly impactful for them and they have a few more restaurants than you at this point in their career. And I think that one of the positives about doing this podcast, even though a lot of different people in different walks allies are listening to this, but there's other chefs that are going through problems and for you to be honest about your shortcomings, and their struggles I think is incredibly powerful. So I don't tell you enough. I think you're one of the toughest gradients people. I know. And to say that you don't break is not true. I think you break all the time but you have the fortitude and resilience to put yourself back together piece by piece every day. And I think. The world of you. You know that and I will always be there for you to help, but I don't think you realize that you've been an incredible source of inspiration for a lot of other chefs and a lot of people are rooting for you. And what would you wanna tell too young cook? That's listening because I've never used this cast as a beacon to, to talk about working for us. But fuck it it's our podcast. Why should they why should they think about working for you? Because I really believe collie is more than a restaurant. Collie will be the future Qurion restaurant, where people think of certain Korean food. The foundation is from Cali and we're going to build it your. What's amazing? If you don't know Joe, that's the least undo park statement. I ever heard one. You just called. You just base it, yeah, we're gonna sweep you mother fuckers in four games. That's why people may not know the fierce determination and on Joe part, but I certainly see it, and I have nothing but real positive thoughts about where you're going to take this and all the struggles and knowing full, well, this is the heart partner, the hard parts just started. All right, Joe. Thank you. We'll those my conversation with chef undo park of Cali in Hudson yards. Big congratulations to her, and the whole team ARA, the GM all the sushi. Chefs, the dishwashers it's been a very hard journey to get here. Couldn't be prouder of you. And I'm sure we're going to be doing this post opening diaries, probably again in the next month or so, as we learn more about how they sort of handle the first year of opening a new restaurant in Hudson yards. So big, thanks. I'm gonna get to a ask Dave at major Domo media dot com. Question, thank you again, for sending all those in the I, I guess, the only question I'm gonna answer today is by Elliott lesser setting aside, upcoming guest. You're planning to have on the show. If you could have anyone on the podcast, if you moon shots who would you love to have on. What would you talk about? Oh man. That's a really hard question Elliott. I really don't even know. Oftentimes until like week to week who were talking to or what we're going to talk about. We just went on this sort of run of artists from Jerry Saltz to his wife, Roberta Smith, and then Rick, tear Vanesian, I think that we're going to continue to try to get artists on this podcast, probably my top wished to get on. This podcast would be Jeff Koons. He is an artist. That is really loved, and hated and incredibly successful. And I don't quite understand everything he does or how he does it but he certainly is polarizing. And I would love to pick his brain and understand how he makes our why he does what he does. So if anyone knows Jeff Koons, please, let them know that someone that knows nothing about our would like to speak to him other than Jeff Koons. I don't know. There's so many people so of the top of my head, I probably think I would love to get Pete. Boo. How do I pronounce edge? Pete boot edge. I can't pronounce his name fuck Pete Buddha. That's it. I really like him. I think that he's going to have some office. I would love for him to really prospering government, somehow other than just being the, the mayor of south bend, Indiana. I haven't really done a deep dive in any of the candidates, but he seems to be the one that right now that I'm sort of most curious about and I'd love to get him on to talk about his service to this country where he wants to take this country, just he seems like a fucking smart guy. That's very practical. I've been reading this book by Tara westover, call the educated, and it's so like, I don't know how many millions of copies. But a lot of people read it, I would love to get her on her story is remarkable who else I'd love to get mica, Paul. And on to have him talk about his most recent book, how to change your mind came out like a year ago. I think it's. Now in paperback, Colorado, just decriminalized Silla Sabin, so hallucinogenic mushrooms, and he's the last person in the world, anyone would expect to do guided trips and to do hallucinogenics, and that's all the more reason why. I think he someone that should be listened to. Because if you're dealing with depression, and mental illness, or even the prospect of terminal illness, there, sufficient evidence that it can be incredibly positive for your outlook on life and understanding your situation. So I'm all for that. I would love to talk to him in depth. And he's been on a ton of podcast. He did along with Joe Rogan love the checkout. His thoughts just on food in general. He just is a fascinating figure to me because he's like the last person you would ever expect and I guess the most the biggest moonshot would probably be Bruce Springsteen. I really admire him as an individual more than the music. And I'm a big fan of his music. But I think how he's lived his life, and how he sort of carried himself and been open about his struggles with depression, and mental illness and seeing a psychiatrist. That's not easy to do in someone. Like Bruce Springsteen can be open about that. That'd be amazing and say, Bruce, you might as well throw someone might beyond say out there as well. Those are moon shots highly doubt that will ever happen, but who knows. And because this is the podcast that is on the ringer network. I am infatuated with Bill. Bell Jack absolutely utterly infatuated with him. And I just would love to get them on. Because I think as an individual he is not the stoic somber quiet coach. That's doesn't really seem to be the person that he is in a private life. You know, the more I learn about him. I don't know if I agree with everything he does in his personal life. But I just find his mind to be completely fascinating, especially how he's created his team the New England Patriots. I really very. Much admire him. And if we're gonna talk about Bilbao Belichick, I would fucking love to get Craig Popovich. She someone that I could definitely talk food and wine about, and he's just seems like an incredibly guy and someone that I would like to pattern my life after because he just seems to have done it the right way and been a good person, all along the way. So if anyone knows coach Popovich coach, pop I love you with all my heart. So love to have you on the podcast anyway. That would be my running list of moonshot guests. I don't know if any of that will ever happen, but Elliott lesser. Thank you for sending them in. Thank you guys for listening to this podcast. We'll have more post opening diaries stay to next week. We've got a great, great guest. Give us five stars. However, you write this on, I tunes Stitcher, Spotify, you name it much love. Thank you guys. Take it easy.

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But you'll see the video soon Ara- Keefer to stay within two seconds of your time and I had to stay within twelve seconds of keepers time and we laid down some laps. Thanks to the guys lip pro as well and so yeah man we got busy so yeah and actually. I've had a lip pro for probably the past two and a half three years and today's the first day I actually like win and learn how to use one you know so So that was actually good. That was good for me. And my dad's GonNa be pumped on that because he's been trying to get me to run lip row for awhile now so this should just be the Alex ratio race. Dhec of course firepower batteries. Yeah you use maximum access and use them. Nimeiri Alex Ratio Yeah. I know the only thing I did US efforts I have been an ethics are before O'Neill now which is yeah. I mean yeah it's pretty much assuming you're west. Cbd's stuff okay. We'll be ask you about some of this stuff as we go so this podcast concentrate on the season and everything else been going on. You're on hold along with the rest of us. Ten rounds down of the energy much energy super-cross series. But I did one of these. I did a podcast with ABC last week. And I said to him you know and obviously things were even different. When I did it with a ten days ago you know so things have changed even since then. It looks like we're getting super cost but in the fall nationals push-back to mid June. But what do you do like you can't to me and I told us to. Ac and he kind of pooh-poohed it like you just can't keep riding super cost. I feel like that's dangerous and I could get hurt. You hurt you do that. Much super cost and now we know of course it precautions probably in the fall like what does it. Golic GONNA do. How do you stay sharp? What'S THE PLAN So right now. Being main focus seven. They did put the outdoor schedule out. So I see that. That's what's coming up so I feel like It's probably best for me to just switch over to outdoors completely on that In honesty without doors supercross. I think comes a little bit more natural to me. Yes I tend to get a little sketchy every now and then as everyone in supercross does you can't tell me that. Adam hasn't ever got sketchy on a fast lap either. So you know for me. I'm GONNA need a little bit more help with that mild door skills so I think You know with me you know having these great people like race tick SGB racing these guys Helping me to my suspension early and really get the bike dowden under my feet. I think that's going to be the best thing for me. is to Is to focus on outdoors. And then what do you? I mean 'cause I mean okay. What are we? We're now we're in March April may June. Would you ramp it up now and start doing motos or do you gotta wait a little bit? No I mean most everybody right now. I mean everyone's writing two days a week. Yeah and they're riding their bicycles in doing like a little bit of. It's kind of like base training right now. It's like your off season but it's not your boot camp yet you know it's sort of maintained right now You know it's just a weird time like I mean. Most people in their off-season have off season races. They'll go on vacation or something like that. We don't really know what's going on. We can't go anywhere so it's not like we can go on vacation. You know. I mean me personally. I'm not racing so I'm not making any money right now. So they're gonNA ask you about that Harris second so therefore I cannot go on vacation regardless of if I could go anywhere so Yeah it was. It's it's weird man. I was talking to my trainer. Pablo the other day. I'm like what should I be doing like? I don't know like shut out at the gym. Freakin like shabby running marathons which I don't know what's wrath doing training under Baker. What's he doing? Yeah I bunny or are they are. They asked him ahead. I mean I don't I mean I think they slowed down a little bit. Yeah but they're still they're still. I mean they're still putting in the work on the bicycle off the bike stuff. I don't know how much writing they're doing on in California but I know the guys in Florida or Riding Katya Barn is kind of pull back a little bit and told you guys did not ride Geico Honda. We were going to have Christian up with US riding today. I think GEICO puts a stop to that a little bit like. Yeah Hey and I see the point like you get hurt. Hospitals are already busy man. Exactly don't you know? Plus they got enough parts to last still mid October. Yeah and I was talking to someone. Who's in the industry that that sells you know products and stuff like that? And he's like you know. Hey guys we can't send you any more product for free like I mean. There's no racing going on. There's no there's nothing of that sort you know everything's cutback scary too so you know. I've had a couple of people pull out of my stuff. I took a pay cut from one person. There things happen. So but yeah it's the weirdest thing for like okay so I'm going to still produce content right stories. Do these podcasts. Everything else. I'm GONNA continue as is except for one show that I'm going to do in the fall when I believe there will be super cost but but for a writer. Yeah man I mean. It's hard to be like look in eleven weeks. We may be going racing so let me do to thirties today. Not to mention parts and everything else which thing things you just talked about and yeah it's tough for you. I mean it's tough for you know the whole team. It's tough for me. It's tough for everyone that I'm racing with except for maybe the top ten guys. You know what I mean those guys. I'm pretty sure. Yeah they're all right but you talked about money a little bit. Now you are guy that does you know you live race to race. You don't live very serious but that's your money. That's how you go raising salary from O.`Neil money from Tennessee. H. J. C. Rhino This stuff's but O'Neill's cool right. O'neill has been really really good. You know they've been super great to me. It's like they you know whenever I've started negotiate them with them this year. You know they`re. They're open to anything even last year whenever. I was with H. E. P. I was uncertain during the summertime. They're like hey you know if you're not contracting for anything right now let let us help you with rebel straight with them so you know that all worked up there and and stuff like that you know they they. They're like a huge family to me. you know even you know whatever. Their figured hey. We aren't racing for a while you know. We're plugging the closed doors. But like are you good? Everything's good. I'm like yeah I mean. I'm stressed on a little bit like okay. We'll we'll overnight you? You know what we owe you and then we'll check on a little bit. You know for a company like that. I feel like you know. That's just says a lot about you know like you know some news that was. I was super thankful for that. So there's GonNa be a lot of guys in a lot of riders in your situation that are going to struggle. Yeah so with no money coming in and also no sort of nest. Egg built up for the off season. Which I mean you know I mean I didn't have the I mean. I did a couple of the offseason races this year. You know but Yeah I mean it was. I didn't it's not like I said the world on fire and created this big nest egg so Yeah well I mean. We'll have to just see sort of plays out you know. Get some odd jobs walk. Some dogs Popo Max's hiring right now. Excellent Moto putting you to work a little bit. Hey let's let's talk a little bit about your season so going new team as she be Cowie. We'll get into that and everything else you wrote. Hep perhaps as Yuki last year. I thought it was going great main events. Did you make not making one? Didn't make the rest of them. Tampa comes you have a pretty good crash. Yeah and do you've been derailed since Tampa speed is still been there while the first week. You're hurting the second week. I was still hurt right good. Yeah and then after that speeds been there but no main events anymore. Let's do the the momentum just stopped and you gotta get back on that tip of the speaker. Yeah you know. I mean like everything started out good. I was riding good And then and then yeah like you said Tampa happened and I. I checked up my back pretty good. You know I mean I'm still like in the middle of my back. It's like numb. Is it ruin? Yeah like we're like the Tomer. Whatever was numb to the touch you know and I was something like that happens. You can't train for a week. You can't reifer week the next week next month. I'd be the whole month after that. I mean I couldn't ride during the week. I was like all right. So that's what happens. You lose your sharpness right you. Lose your your. Yeah you lose every like not everything but you lose a lot of your sharpness. You know. I mean it doesn't take long outdoors. You can kind of get away with it but supercross now you can't. Everything is is on par like you have to be pretty much perfect all the time so frustrating. Yes it was very. It's it's frustrating. You know I've tried to forget about it you know but it It's hard you know. I mean man. I want to turn it around. You know so like in this too. I feel like it's a clean slate. You know it's not supercross it's outdoors will give me some time to really reflect on what. I did wrong and and work on the things that I need to get better. So that's good. You know how I had a lot of good results already this year. You know what those five minute events that I did make Yes I did have a crash Tampa and I had some bad weeks you know I mean Daytona I felt okay so Daytona was on me but Just with a bad start man. I had it had it in the bag in the heat race and then I just wrote conservative cheers was cheers man who teaches last lap. I'll look back. He's behind me. I'm like dude. Yeah what are you GONNA do? Yeah I don't know what is it about. They don't look even last year. You're not going to Daytona. What is the deal with Tony for you? Like how now we know all jokes aside. You are loose you. Do you do peanut? And everything else is that kind of track. Just not good for your style like what is it. I mean Tomac pins it and he wins it every frigging here. So I don't know honest I don't think it's a style thing no style thing because I'm plenty fast enough. I mean you look the laptop fast enough to go faster. I mean I have like two tents off Mardi and they'll seek you and then I mean my speed there is fine. I think it's just never. Yes fucking dark cloud over me there. You know it's cheese okay. So you don't think it's anything to do with the weirdo track. Yeah I don't think so. I mean the first few years I mean it was definitely something I've always had some weird crashes there looped out I've frigging like slid on the concrete on my hands in your face like I don't know it's just yeah. It's just a weird place for me right now. I'll I'll get over it but yeah yeah it's been a rough and then of course after that that's stopped. I was on my way like I said I was on the airplane because we usually have press day the sub racing team and I and Aj Zero because we're really really good on with the camera and we do our our homework. You know and the venues and stuff like that. So you know I was on my on my way to India landed in Dallas and then I look at Tmz Dino on his instagram. It's like no racist weekend boys. I've thought we were going to have at least something with the race. Congo around. Yeah I was like. Can you just cancelled my flight or cancel. My flight just turned me around and take me back to San Diego and just can you cancel the rest of my flights to while you're at it like you know it's it's a bummer. I mean in one sense. You'll be healed up your backs. Good you'll have outdoor thing going on and then you move into supercross you seven rounds. I don't see how they get seven rounds in but that's what they're talking to do something. I think we have multiple rounds. Don't get me wrong but I don't know how we get seven. We'll see that that's for the fall. We talked to you early on in the year. Or maybe before. A one even You coming up this Zouqi GonNa Cowie. Now you've had ten weeks on the Cowie. What do you like about it? What do you like about that thing? You know first of all I wanNA tell listeners to before you kiefer rode your bike today and we're very excited that Kiefer did not blow your bike out. Yup and everything he actually. He actually liked by bike. Good coming from him. You know what I mean. It's like you were excited excited. Because I haven't touched a thing since I got my new speech. I haven't even set to SAG. I don't even know where it's at. I don't even know ballpark. It could be anywhere from one hundred one hundred twenty. That's ridiculous but But Yeah I was. I was happy with that. I love my couch man. Hop on it. It's just one of those bikes. That's super super comfortable. It has a nice soft chassis You know I do have the works Jesse Lab Engine mounts on my bike and that helps a lot with you know. Just give it even more comfort. I mean so Yeah like I said we got race tack on there and You know supercross you know we. We went through some stuff. We went through some settings and stuff and got something that I like and then outdoors. I haven't really touched my suspension at all. I mean like I said I didn't even set my sag even worried about it it. It feels fine like I mean. It doesn't do anything funky and And like it so I mean. The transition from the Suzuki Kawasaki was was easy for me. I've rode a Kawasaki in the past. Probably two thousand nine to two thousand eleven. I mean that's whenever I started racing supercar carry. Then Yeah Yeah was Kelly. Then no one knew who I was and I was big fat. Yeah you just on the H- Hannie hits you. You're on a Honda. Yeah dozen twelve the first year you switch to hunt for them. Yeah okay. This is all new bike. Dude yeah this is. This is a great bike. Look and I'm sure you're was good we but there's a reason why the zukis lagging shootouts. It was the new body. Work everything else but is there something? This is Yuki. Does that you miss along. Cowie because you know the motive better on the Cowie. Let's say I mean dude honestly Suzuki's always been one of the best turning bikes. It's a great turning. Motorcycle still is still a great turning motorcycle. You know. I mean it's just that's just a characteristic of sukey I would say it turns a little bit sharper than the Kawasaki. Kawasaki is a little bit longer. You know it's more flexible cowie. Though it's tucked in used to be they were they were long and so yeah so like I said this is a key you know. It's a great turning motorcycle. It's not one of the fastest. We'll heavy yeah kickstart but you know it's but it did turn while they do turn well. How long so you work on the race Tekken. Sgb's suspension company. Yes how long were you till you totally happy with everything they were doing as far as testing wise did it take a couple of rounds and is that more on. It was all testing or honestly. I don't think I've touched my bike. I've touched the shock a little bit. I've just made the shock stiffer. That's all I've done nothing. Nothing crazy just went. Stiffer on the right in a compression. compression like internally So yeah I mean like to be honest I mean I've maybe made. The shock stiffer four times but other than that. I haven't touched the forks since before the season started. Do you find whether it's HP whether it's I wanNA say factory Yamaha whether it's Rock River H EP. Or you know right around now in supercross around seven eight nine ten as you get better. I feel like the level rises each week to week. All of you guys. Do you notice you change a lot from what you'd like that they won. Yeah a little bit. You know we always go stiffer F. We start out like soft we get to. Anaheim on like well or I don't know the the West Coast tracks you want a little bit of a software setting. I guess you could say but once you get east a you want your stuff stiff. The dirt softer. It absorbs a lot more whenever you go over the face of job. You don't WanNa you don't Wanna be couch you know whenever you're jumping across triple with routes all the way face of it you know so Yeah like I said we just Mesa stuff stiffer and and yeah I mean it's it's worked out Obviously had some bad racist. Yes but that's not due to my suspension. That's due to a ray. Eating share today to Tampa Tampa. And and then you put your goggles off because you were laying there and everybody's just filling your helmet breathe and then. I took my goggles off like an idiot. I don't know why but it's just like the first thing you do when you get the you just take. Your dog was up but I was in the worst spot. Everyone was going around me still doing their fast laps. And just throwing up sand dude. I swear you probably couldn't even see my face. I was getting buried alive out there. They're alive that's awesome. Yeah what was your favorite race was your best race. Feel which one did you feel most on it? We're able to go twenty minutes and chart. Let's see Oakland Oakland. Nfl Good I had choosing my sites sites halfway halfway through. He just starts walking away from me now walking away but I felt good the home to protect their neck. Brace everything just looked like master shredder. Like I don't know but he just started walking away from me but I felt good. The holmen event like I felt like the whole time so that that a race that race yeah regardless of whether you get thirteenth sixteenth how you feel the end of the night. You're going off so Alex. Rae here ethics are racing. Race Tech suspension. Privateer out in life brought to you by West Ham folks firepower in the mirror. And Max's well Max US talk about them a little bit so I actually Chris there at Max's Buddy of mine came on board with us. Asked me about privateers to help. I put them together with the cat last year. And so the cat used Max which he made one main event which is more than they've made in a long time so you got on board that team and we'll talk about the team in a second but I think my look Dunlop and Michelin tires have been raking race tires for a long time. Max's has been not making full SPEC race tires for a long time. How do you like the mix? Jeremy did put a lot of work into my talk to. Mci about it. This is Max's answer to premium tire. Like you know I like them a lot. I struggled with them in the beginning. I'm not GonNa lie you know? Well here's here's the thing that people need to realize to the number one hardest thing to make a tire. Workforce is southern California supercross at night. Yes whether it was dumb back in the day or the Michelin's Bridgestone people when my day when I was a mechanic Bridgestone's where it for the front anyways. That's a really hard condition to make a tire for. Yeah and struggled a little bit of no. It was on during the week at the practice track. Felt fine at the racist because we have the tracks at the racist are just so good all the time like the doors crude they do. I mean we do have some slick races whenever we do get rain moisture comes up throughout the west coast. But all I did to be honest all I did I. Just tested was entire pressure. I talked I talked with Kiefer. I'm like hey man like this is sort of when I'm feeling you know what should we do? Where can I go? He's like just a little bit of pressure to your front end okay. So for the first time I went from like twelve five in the front to fourteen. Yep changed everything you know I I I ride a little bit over the Front. A little bit of everywhere. I guess you could say so a little bit more in the front. Sorta gave them that. Comfort of sort of predictability. I guess I'm more. It's more predictable. You know whenever I have and I don't think you would ever run fourteen in front demo. Would think guys that run for that. That high pressure in certain tires with a softer carcass so Yeah went up to fourteen men and that changed everything in the front end. I mean we've got twelve five in the rear you gotTa have some other raters look at you in staging being like maxis right. Hey man yeah you know I mean but to be honest I mean it's it's working out pretty well. You know I mean shoot I mean good I mean I have no bad not bad feedback for them. You know. Once I up in the tire pressure. Everything SORTA changed for me you know and they feel Just as good I mean right there with all the other tires the Mirror Pistons firepower batteries. Also I got you dialed in those for your for your Cowie so you killed your battery at some point. Nah Okay so what happened was this is why. I don't work them up by okay. Yeah I'm working on a bike something that I should not be doing. I have the seed off from taking a shock putting it in another bike and then take that shotput swapping suspension I put a tea. I didn't know this I put a handle on where you can put it on the foot pag or put it somewhere. I laid it on the battery dude thing about caught on fire dude holy cow. I'm like Bro I need. I need a battery. Luckily the boys at firepower you know they hooked it up. They got me a couple of batteries for my My race bike practice bike and got the firing up. Yes awesome now pickups. Sgb Cowie so. The cat was with last year a little bit and doing his own deal. You were with HAPP. Who cowie how come together. And how is it man? Sub racing racing You know he's a suspension tech under under race tech. I guess you could say he uses race set goal vows and stuff for You know all of the suspension components and Yeah he does Suspension revolving suspension services. He does The coatings the cool coatings. If you want you know cool Tubes like you see on the factory bikes if you want that factory color forks and shock he. Does it really good work? I mean he's an awesome guy. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's awesome too. Yeah it's in Maryland and Yeah you know I was talking to Michael Lindsay one day and you know he's like hey man like I told him I was like dude. I don't have anything you know it's late. I I'm stressing like what is going on. I don't know like I just you know I'm in the middle of talking to each EP. But that's not going right in. I don't really know what's going on at all at that point so I I I I you know talking to Michael Enzi and I'm like hey man do you know or do you have a spot on your team or do you know anyone. Actually I do It's a guy out of east coast and you know it's a low budget team but You know they're on Cowie's and You know I think it would be a good sue for you. So I called him up and he was. He was gained from the get-go he's like. Hey man like yeah. I want to make this happen like I wanna make it work and I was like okay He said Yeah. You can get your own gear your own helmet all that. Your own sponsors. That's great and I was tickled to death. That was like the selling point with me. I'm like yes second. Go back to O.`Neil and so that was all good and man to be honest. It's been it's been one of the funniest years I've had you know like the Group of people you know they work. Yeah Yeah I mean. They work just as hard as I do. And that's you know that's all I ask you know I mean that's all you want and a team you want. You know the effort that you're putting in you want you know the team to do the same in and that's you know what we're getting into. They're doing the most if not more than than what I expected So yeah I mean. They're going above and beyond for me. I mean we still have a few things to iron out like I said like it's a low budget team you know but I think you know what we're doing. We made a great presents for the first ten rounds of supercross and I think I mean. Let's bring on the outdoors. We're full season this year which I didn't know I thought it was Super Cross only beginning year. But yeah you told me. It was full outdoor too so But the cat might not do outdoors. We don't know I think they have Germy Smith Okay. Stepping in for outdoors. He had the cat usually takes a summer off to do his writing skills and stuff like that and then we'll have Jordan Jarvis as well racing the lights class. I believe and And Yeah it's GONNA be. It's GonNa be a fun summer right. Oh that's good it's interesting. We need teams like that And you know what again from an OEM point of view? They've seen a lot of these guys. Come and go. You don't have any support right now but if you stick it out you put in a good presence couch support you never know when you can build it so yeah we we get a little bit of support from baboots online? You know the the dealership but I mean it's not it's nothing near you know. I would say what we need as a team. You know what I mean I mean. No offense to those guys are awesome. They're great you know anything you know. It's it's all good there so Yeah even Kawasaki. You know the oem they. They did help. They did step up and help me. Curt Rude curtroom. Rude did step in helped me out. He gave me a place to ride. You know during the week because You know paying seventy five bucks a day to ride at at State Fair in. It's it's tough on are. Are you going to yeah to talk to local up there? You can do anytime you want or are you going to ask. I go up there you know what I mean. I'll ask her. I'm like hey man like because I don't WanNA intrude on anyone's testing or something for sure. I didn't know you did that. I didn't know you got to go there all the time. I knew you been there. I just started like two weeks. Prior to cove in nineteen. Oh Shit also I mean in the right when I got the okay is like right before Tampa. Yeah and then. A Hobo freaking slept in my truck airport working. I don't know I must have hit the wrong button again. Lock in my truck happens. You know and left it unlocked for the weekend. Lax LAX at four or five parking and And Hobo slipping. My truck to spare change. Took the key to Kelly strack and I think my spare key to my truck. He literally stole much huck. Yeah but yeah just didn't want to bother with that with that. He just wanted to sleep and play with the keys and still spare it stunk. Oh it smelled like asks in their detailed it was. It was a whole thing booger up on my deal. It's just something that would happen to me. I agree I agree yeah. Ethics are racing problem X. Thirty s those guys and race DHEC. Of course privateer Pulp Twenty Zero to save with the folks that race tech. Thanks to those guys for staying behind this and allowed us about these privateers shows so yeah. We'll see what happens when we get back to racing we're looking at we're going we're looking at. We're going outdoor racing your year off filling in a factory. Amazon you the outdoors half five of them are. They added four four of them. Yeah I did Glen Helen Colorado and Muddy Creek okay. What'd you learn about outdoors from that because those are those are by far your best outdoor finish? Don't give up. You know that was the whole thing like I mean when I was there with chain drew he was still Yamaha. He's like hey dude. Whatever you do don't pull off. Don't give up right like like I was like okay. That's fine that's perfect. I'll just stay out there. And what do you know? First Race Glen Helen first lap. I ended up on the ground bars or bent. Gino Shit's going on. Whatever last charge my way all the way up to eighteenth or nineteenth. I Moto that's one. I outdoor points. I've ever scored and I was like Holy Shit. I think I can do pretty damn good. You know like this bike is good next. Moto I freaking out was running ninth for probably I don't know the first twenty minutes and then And then bag it and rocks and got me and I think someone else. I forgot Ended up getting went. Nineteen twelve So yeah I mean that whole thing. I just learned a lot about you. Know the by testing Outdoors like you said it. Never come as easy to. Yeah you know and and I had a lot of help you know. Obviously with. Shane drew and cause and when he was still there. And you know even Jimmy. It was just like a good working environment. Like right as soon as you're done with practice you go into the semi Jimmy Perez already sitting there. He has everything printed out your time. Your segments any has like a map of the track everything everything's laid out. He's like here here and here. You can be better here here in here. This is where Justin is doing. And then also like you would go downstairs. And then you have dino. Dan Sitting there you know has a bike hooked up to the computer like Hey. Why are you in first gear? Yeah Okay and they also told me I was losing. I forgot twelve mile an hour. Going DOWN Talladega. Because I wasn't going into fifth gear. Barsha was going all the way to fifth gear and he was like twelve mile an hour fast. Reality do shift the bike want to the thing is so fast food. I'm scared so I did. I did I did start to shift for the second motto and it was better. Yeah that's funny now. I because outdoors. Is You need to work at that for you. You know. It's one of those. Those things like Paula last year. When you were on the privateer you just showed up on that. I shouldn't have done that. It's tough man. Yeah it's tough I was. I was actually supposed to go to wash Hugo but I was like I K- Bosch that whole thing. I was I did. I don't have time. I was doing everything by myself like you know. I had no mechanic you know I drove to hysteria to Clark Jones's Shop like three times in a day. I drove up there in the morning. Got My suspension. Redone drove to Glen. Helen wrote it wasn't good jove backup there he revived. I went back before dark. Yeah tried it wasn't good back-up there stay the night rebounded the next morning. That's all that's all. I was doing before Paula. In I. TO BE HONEST. I still wasn't there. I think we were waiting on parts or something for the forks. My my suspension was just too stiff. I couldn't hang onto my hands. Were blown off the bars you know. I just shouldn't have done it. I wasn't ready. I was physically ready but I just wasn't there yet with the bike. You still were millsaps right. I mean you know He. He's going to be helping me a lot this summer. I mean he just he just got a Husky. He's he's writing a bit. He was at Western this week and And Yeah we're going to be doing some cat and mouse stuff the summer. I feel like Yeah he's going to be helping me out a lot the bike because that's sort of like what I need. You know maybe some Guinea pig. I mean I can't afford TV DVD DVD's sits at the track videos me and waits for me to crash. Right a diva yeah thanks a lot for nothing. Epochs Racing Race Tech suspension priority island live podcast inner West Hemp Pulp Twenty zero to save at Inner West. Ham's dot com also numero pistons as well in the mirror dot com. The mirror technologies forging. Champions one piston at a time you use mirrors while you're spot on them so from two wheels to four they've got you covered firepower whether it's batteries or chains or the the new oil that they got firepower parts dot com in Thanks to those guys I got the firepower chain on. Blew out there so yeah God sore crash stupid stupid water also thanks to Max's Dot com just loaded a new Max's retire on my on my tasers so Really love that. So thanks for those guys. Were coming on board Alex. Rae on the show. Is it too soon to talk about next year? Like is it too soon. It's March April. But like I mean I mean stress. You worried you're going to go through all this again hopefully. Sgp's s she. Everything was all good. We'RE READY TO GO FOR NEXT YEAR. Like it's where. I've heard that before timer to zero to two but yeah I mean that's already I mean it was. It's different because they came to me like Jason me like hey like. Do you want to do this next year? I'm like yeah. Yeah I'm like anything you know. Let's go one hundred percent. Sgb Racing Kawasaki. I mean Joe at the Bike Joe team did something to be said to for standing on a bike another year. The same bike you went from you you went from Honda Yamaha Husky. Yeah a hundred Husky to Yamaha Suzuki Suzuki to cow it. Yeah GimME GIMME. Another year on buying. Get used to it. Do some damage the second year. How much does it bother you when people talk about this and I mean you block a lot of people? Yeah Yeah I just block a buggy though like a little bit about now if they know to freaking comments like that but even self and Kiefer at heartwise online. It's your friends of the racist. We know like your homie. And you're like okay. So here's the thing if you're a homey and like you're substantially but like heart. Raff I mean come on. He's got two podiums. This year he can call a race sketch. You know what I mean but I don't know like we've gotten sketchy like come on Bro. All Act like you're perfect. That's what I'm thinking like. No Yeah I mean it's all good okay. I just didn't know like we boggy. We'd like to have fun of that. It's we witnessed today. We were you. Were tracked side You. You saw me jump over job go from the right side of the track to the left and then back to the right. Yeah I'm I'm just like Oh my God this guy it happens it happens you know man. This is so weird though. Don't have any racing right now. I mean what do you what do you watch on TV? You just a lot of Netflix. Tagger King King. What did you think of that too? Nuts that chick definitely killed her husband one hundred percent hundred percent. I would say I would be fifty fifty except someone drove the van to the airport and he didn't take a plane to Costa Rica. That wasn't possible so someone planted the van there and the only person who could do that was her. So that's I I don't get it how she's like saying all these bad things about the tiger like museums and stuff like that are zoos. Whatever whatever she's doing the same thing I think I think she's more about the cubs that petting in the cub. Trent I duNNo. I Dunno every new person on their got crazier and crazier and crazier. Yeah do you think Jefferson Oakley Athlete? Like why wouldn't you take the Oakley had off? I have no idea what allies have you finished it. Yeah Yeah what about towards the end where that bigger guy he? He was on the Jet Ski and they're just saying the freemen rocky music like when you're a producer like you know these people are looney tunes when you're doing shit like that just blew me away. Offered everything got crazier and crazier and poor Joe Exotic and I've also got into F. One I the F. One on on net flicks. I haven't watched. I've only watched the first episode of season two. I need to get into it. Yeah Yeah it's good man. I I've I've found a whole new love for car racing and F one so that was cool. We'll Hong we'll hunkin get you hooked up with Ricardo or whatever. He knows that you're run it all in there. He's all about it on. Yeah see how freaking much water. That'll stand guys. It's swallowed alive. Yeah that's your that's your is. That was some some drama. Yeah can't frigging and you even got dragged into it from a few of our listeners. I did yeah Swoboda lives with. I didn't I didn't know it wasn't me? No it wasn't All right everybody. This has been the privateer show. Alex Ray of course. He's a big part of this thanks to maximum firepower and NIEMIRA and interest hemp ethics are race DHEC. Of course so all right buddy well. Thanks for the time Good luck whenever you start writing again. Yeah Nobody Yeah. I mean we have some time so I'm gonNA take one of those Niemira top in kits and probably rebuild my kicks to fifty new. Yes I have a K X two fifty. Where'd you get that big? He's annoyed dare. Yes Daddy I actually traded by straight than by for his his his cakes. Oh what year. Two thousand seven. Okay Yeah I mean that chassis is not very good like I know that thing. It's fast food so you're all done. Though right. It was all finished. It was it was. It was slow though. Yeah it was very slow right. Yeah but yeah. It was all done begging cylinder race stick to the cylinder. Nothing looks pretty good. Yeah so big pretty good. So you're gonNA rebuild a Kelly. I still have a Suzuki because I have to. Oh you buy another one. Yeah Yeah because I bought one from his this crackhead guy for like eight hundred bucks. It was blown up but it was two thousand six Ricky Carmichael addition right. Yeah Yeah so yeah. I'm almost done with that. You know I have my buddy Robbie fedor he's actually putting together for me We're GONNA do video on that On my youtube channel so So yeah like subscribe on that log. Log Log log life It's GONNA have You know it's GonNa it's GonNa look pretty good I think so You know Into we didn't talk about this Not only does my race bike in my practice. Bike for supercross. Have Race Tech Goal Valves in the suspension and also has raised ported heads. Oh you do do the azure there. We go yeah. Yeah everybody down there. They don't do this. Yeah they exactly yeah. They know exactly what they're doing. It's awesome man. Yeah so you notice a big difference from stock. Do you just like a light? We we didn't do much you don't need to make them like arm arm out there already. Yeah they're they're really good. Bikes are pretty snappy and Yeah we just need a little bit more for You know just like the bottom just to get over the triples out of the corners and stuff like that. So cool man. Well thanks for coming on today. Appreciate it privacy on it was. It was good privateer island life. Podcast with with Alex. Rae thanks again to all those companies sponsor. It and thanks buddy.

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Episode 35  Emma

No End In Sight

1:12:01 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 35 Emma

"Hi I'm Brian Bennett and no end insight a podcast about life with chronic illness before we get started. I have a huge but simple favourite. Ask if you're listening to this in real time or at least in July twenty nine thousand nine I've been nominated for a Wego ego health award in your super-quick could help me get these stories in front of more people who need to hear them. Here's what you need to do. Open up your phone or laptop and had to tiny dot C._C.. Slash lower case help upper case and and he I._S.. So all caps short for no end in sight so tiny dot C. C. Slash lower case help upper case N. E. I. S. that should take you to my nominee profile and then underneath my profile or my photo. There's a little orange button that says endorsed brand so click that button and they'll ask you to pick a category pick podcast and then for your name and email the they'll ask you so put something in but you can absolutely immediately unsubscribe from anything they might assigned you and that's it thank you today. I'm talking to Emma Cowie about aliens. Dan Lewis Syndrome cystitis and building a life that isn't centered around your illness before we start. Here's my disclaimer. This podcast is not intended it as a substitute for professional medical advice diagnosis or treatment. Make sure you talk to your practitioner about any questions or symptoms okay so so I like to start by asking. How is your health as a kid? My health is a kid I always knew and my patients always knew there. Is something going on from the age of a bit seven. I had issues birth. My Urology Eulogy symptoms so going swimming was always a problem so yes strange to either go to seven baths and doc <unk> comeback that would always be off you call societies again stage a half scientists again and that was obviously seven years old and it made me ashamed because I loved awesome and I loved <unk> some of us but I would. It made me like I second Maharidge. Go Man as a kid that made me access. I mean that made me really like go to go. You and Anna also used to get are woven. I was going or the anxiety said INMAN. I was going to sleepovers other people's houses because I've been a new this paying a new this cystitis hi to take pain and I'll say if that happens the non someone else's house. I don't know what to do and it would happen some Teijin. It'd be other people say she's for sleepovers and the only thing to do was come home. I don't I want to come home with a sleepover. Someone else's sites. I want to be having everyone else's doing with I mean yeah P._M.. And coming home and being the loser to come home. I'm getting bobby to contact is really not fun and were there other at symptoms for that so pain of course like probably pain but like frequency other kind of stuff like that it the typical urology cystitis pain so pain frequency burning snail year in all of the all of the things problems me in the issue the problem coup pro the issues <unk> are you don't <unk> urologists and always been all the symptoms of our captain fiction but non fiction okay so nothing's showing up on like urine tests and stuff. Nothing's going out nothing so you'll maybe the maybe get some weight sales. Maybe a few crew team will begin a couple. You know sometimes only Christmas tree the debt that stay can move belay. Oh she's got an infection for like one every for one hundred depth sticks in peace uncle that being saying off what should have been many one of them will be late. There's chilling fiction but most of them there is an old same symptoms right all all the same pain is seen fever seem all of it so my urologists over the years of what is going on this cat's why why is happening and we're giving you antibiotics irregardless of the test results or was it sometimes like we'll just wait and see if the symptoms clear out wage went through cycles in stages we went through long-term antibiotics Lewis and we've been to fill blast antibiotics every single team. They're interested each of one -biotics all because everyone realized he maybe let's not get this kid and then teenager adult hole in the world's Times 'cause he that's not good either Yup and and then something's just just I don't care so much paid. Just give me it's worth it yet. So <unk> fater what's worse be mutant be pasted patient xetel of the eventual thing that is gonNa make me the person didn't who is not immune to <unk> biotic ever knock great not great choose laughter is Bay earn some things and but yet what's worse or baser you know being immune into antibiotics. Stay worse are in no having been is so much pain than you can't handle anymore. So that was what I we're still. I'm still seeing a neurologists <unk> appointment on Tuesday. They are where I'm going to infer yet. Another camera tastes another system coppee for them to have could go. Let's for great. We're going to do next because we still don't Oh what they add. Today's right we said maybe that and this is me Thera- two years old started showing symptoms and I was seven right so twenty five years yet trying to figure this particular symptom. I'm Michael Hill's as a whole <hes> so there could be that my blotted as empty properly because of distraction nature of E._D._S. to get to N._S.. N._S. discussion and the FAFSA case there's a whole other range of things that we can try but you have tried already by the inhale but the problem could I not rude eighty-eight and yeah you've just got to keep going and trying. I mean open so straighten though that are tainted I don't just cry for station. She frustration with something a keeps coming back over and over and over again yeah yet and the only way that I can do this. Particular paid is being in the boss roasted hold off on the painkillers which you know there's a whole debate of painkillers <unk>. I understand but <unk> potato situation the painkillers because I'm it meets me scream. Try will page that makes me really try with pain joins US appropriate or socket yeah. It's like it's on acute yet thing thing I can other people who deal with I as insert tissues decide to I cannot say call icy others to do with understand the anyone who's scientists just once understand understand all the time unite no thanks that from seven years old started about this first ongoing thing but it's still happening and forever ever okay so so as a kid and three or teens and then what I guess what else got mixed in or when did you start to notice other stuff going on with your body. Well I realized ahead electoral trek. I could be a night looking back and cringe with every part of my day. Why why it's too as L. and my <unk> can can sublime <unk> not philly dislocating <unk> to the amy straightway the can submit <unk>? I used to run around and free people go back and they look back. Can Do Papa Happen Yeah. This is fun not yet nothing to worry about like a someone belongs nate shelman like up and and with both of them both Yep and they settled it to the state but night it's a case of just woken by the school bloop unedited to Papa back end and I'm like on me today's date the this happened. It wasn't getting any pain notting <hes> yeah his just kit that's at countermand brochure <unk> k. and then really think much of the F. A. Dead Show them and do you. I guess this is maybe a question that you'd know more now but did either of them. have any of those kinds of symptoms Laden availables Kate of symptoms may dot was always inundate of hospital toll with his health and we didn't know why even <unk> resolve something going on with them doing why we never late. Things may say he's been diagnosed. Jerk type ability and I'm like you do. You've told we eat the start yes genetic. I got it from somewhere like now. You have this diagnosis for me. We can look back it everybody else. Maybe that'd be the East is that's the whole other okay but if you if you had shown them no one would have gone. Oh I know what what that might be. No Yeah just thing that you were doing is a Ken Yeah Yeah and they have both said you're quite frustrated. That <unk> really do more back grin yeah because it didn't really do sh- by looking at my urology symptoms uh-huh monopolies younger they didn't do much for not lake no if I can't she'll most labels off in eulogised <unk> children's hospital in get tend to Nah <unk> for me. It was just <unk>. Let's try this onto to try to connect with yeah. It was never like sent up to the next level of care. No that wasn't looked tend to and and on <unk> in effect maybe had been tend to were along say this Dr Mobility could something of diagnosed earlier but the problem as in Scotland isn't that is in funding E._D._S. even even if there are no e._d._S. facialists in Scotland <hes> not Ho country and the whole country that are E._D._S. specialists. Yeah I have no one overseeing my care right and my country yeah and that's a pretty big deal. That's a he drives me but it really bothers me. That's actually a huge shoot for a law patients. The IPAD substructure tedious because actually affects me and my mental state never made name me as a N._B._A.. As a Pearson on my house because of my Watson Yeah Yeah like why. Why isn't anybody looking at this? I'm looking at you and other people like you because I'm sure you're not the only person in Scotland with E._D._S. and any opens. We can get into this too but like there's different types of E._D._S.. There's so much to right yeah there. It's a huge huge issue and there we think the closest place I can go to if I were to get a fair for further treatment is leads. There's there's a there's a special saint turn leads in a special center in London. I really didn't have to pay school private privately or apply for amy chase spatial trust around or some some thing that I probably would not get an is that for the travel or or just because do you only get coverage within your kind of local area. How does that work at it because it'd be moving to a because the yet cordially get coverage than your Avia and because it's no end my local media elites and it's also getting out element of treatment the I know <unk> eligible to like this is a specialist type of treatment? This is a special center <hes> and so you would need to be referred there but in order to be referred there. You need to see someone who knows enough yeah yeah and I'm willing to getting seen by not WANNA get by G._p.. Might Coverage My mic who treatment plan is done by May G. P. unusually someone must like a complex issue such as my sale seem by consulted knows <unk> about their condition yeah. I actually have agreed G._p.. Talk a great team of G._P.'s at my search baby lucky on st the to have G._P.'s at you like and you on because believe me I missed one Senate was <unk> I ever made I pack sweet back there but the fact that there is no no real can came out of rheumatology department. Well sometimes dependent on what area this is a game the the law today department the low today of where they should fall <unk> bureau go aloft in chance. I'm thankful for it yeah. I'm <music>. I'm betty. I'm not completing adducing plane but they make cheese and in this case Kedah because don't have the care the right I mean the I need and so I can't even B._p.. For for one into right right and that's a huge a huge problem with specialty care so then who diagnosed you to begin with how did that happen so thanks Tactical Dine Hell when I was a bike nineteen. The scientists things went off the charts they in a twenty five. I go in a really bad situational things when I hard allocated to say to me and then go in fiction <unk> on tonight yet they had to win again do a lot so everything just went like dine fell and with e._T._A.'s once once <unk> adult mental faked everything just can't <unk> can obtain to happen. It can be a vital fiction that kick start settings. Excuse me in the end the domino effects it kicks off over the space of after thanks <unk> seven then meant again <unk>. I mean I was ordering off work can ever since twenty five get surgery. Everything goes real eminem hospital all the time I mean the the nurses navy by name and this one particular award by Amazon back go so like I was an Ulster over time I'm laughing but it wasn't great but you can kind of now. You've just got candlelit back and go well. That was that was. That was a tight time and on. I eventually just moaned so much my G._p.. He the rheumatologist department because I knew the <unk> legit department could save me to the geneticists right department and did you had you heard of E._D._S. at this point like were you doing your own research. Could you have an idea that might be what was going on. Oh Yeah I had been obvious adulterous worst nightmare. I was like research never seen what's going on with me because I was so frustrated of course doctrines autographed listening to me. I was told nothing wrong with me. I was getting told it was all shades. I was getting told out basically crazy getting affair for everything to do with Michael Somatic problems quote unquote as opposed to what was good onto my bullets. No like I can tell the difference I can tell the difference yeah I am an intelligent could fit because it's is being such a hurtful devastating process. No I mean sometimes. I think that's all you can do like sometimes you just have to laugh on. Also the tiers have been shared over Nice Yeah. What else can you do that may of utter despair over the life of lives I mean I'm a singer of musical theater on like one point when I was twenty five twenty six years old an online lying in a hospital beds for you know half half of the year and I'm going to life yeah? This is not where I thought I would be. I this is twenty five yet. I met it'd be Dame in London wasted sent what happened something tickle a lifetime pearn somewhere what what's going on yeah and doctors tell me that these tests have kicked back inconclusive. We don't even know what's going on saying that. You need to go up until some absolute beltre's doctors of until the that'd Debbie sold the heads that is just ahead to go off Google basically just get off the goal okay. I'll go when you learn torture patient yeah. When you like take my symptom seriously anchorman committed to doing your own research because that's fine but one of us has to be researching and if it's not you then it's going to be me hundred percent made me insurgents have evaded enchanted Bailey interesting interesting relationship because surgeries avai check print people debating Taylor taper preach? I'm like we've either on real whale or real bad yeah. I no longer longer have the patients for people who don't listen to me and if you're not listening to me that I'm going to be upset and I'm going to tell you gonna be very on this debate and I I understand I they'll have respect for them. I'm not open it be rich for the sake of being rigged. There's also I spent so much Tang just been differential been yes MR alter nomadic term Miss Dr <unk> over ah over one hundred pair saints off the yeah that's it I think like one thing that I've learned from talking to people is like I think sometimes we have this the idea that there's a right way to show up to the doctor right like being different like you say you know show up and be a sort of but respect them and all this stuff and like one thing I've learned from talking to people for this podcast is that there is no right way though well. It's really is no. I think you just lottery but like in this way it's also a lottery like sometimes you just get bad doctors and there's don't waste your energy trying to like you know calm yourself down if they were going to help you. They're going to help you whether whether you're upset or non like yeah you don't turn that off yeah completely anything. They're gonNA help you like does help to be nice yeah. Accords <unk> doesn't help if you own miss them snappy nice. Does that what you're awesome yeah but some things if you show your frustration in a situation. It may let them know that you've just had that. You're actually it's actually it's helped me a couple of days yeah so okay so you had been in and out of hospital and that was it sounds like mostly pain and you had an appendectomy that was hard yes and then an infection as a result of that so probably more pain now and then you on your own time. We're probably looking up the like what's up with my hips widely widely happening now. I'm actually is actually a urologist. I believe fantastic urologist to seen me choose like have you tend to connective tissues disorders at she's it just from being an arranged. Your bladder walked. She's been upenn business should choose your tissue. She's like there's something you're <unk>. Thank you make me to she told me to go the CANTU connective tissue should disorders shoots like school. Check my urologist fit me onto and this is the thing I feel like I also here this from people just like random unrelated specialists. Sometimes maybe who's a better listener or a better like she was a favorite favorite favorite doctors everhart and my entire life I love her. She was awesome to villa utilize aged so she was like I think you have to look into this so I tend to and that was at a new something and it was some didn't know for Sherifi E._D._S.. Banner had some tape of connective tissue joy really took thing yeah it really like all of the things that were on that list released dreaming to me layout <unk> Zoom and that would have been debate twenty seven twenty okay and still took me to lie was twenty nine another two years until I go diagnosed so you went to are you got referred to a rheumatologist. I yeah yeah and they said we can you anymore. <unk> failure push it on the way can be an fair me to geneticists because I really to feel that this is something genetic natick Yeah Okay and they let a new debt greatest debt for you so if you don't have E._D._S. specialists in Scotland was relatively easy to get into see geneticist because those are uncommon to certainly less common than rheumatologists right rheumatologists are either. They're one of the they are in. You know every a hospital are everywhere. Yes they are right yeah and some rheumatologist do treat people C._B._S.. Yeah I know such as Qena diagnosed by Rheumatologists apologists what Chad's the the luxury F._A.. S._e. but I know that for a lot people skull indigo get treated and who have love E._d._S. because some rheumatologists yet because it's genetic and no effect to buy whatever assessment aborting rheumatologists cap the is like the the remarks at the camera works at the moment but because it's not the same says you know the body 'cause they're like noon. Yeah you know I yeah I don't know the full scope of rheumatology on us yet and I think it's changing really fast because of autoimmune diseases actually right but what they're seeing as well your this is genetic GonNa treat you anymore. They'll pick monks appearances N._F._l.. Yeah so yeah got sent to genetics. I don't know would they ought to pathway of have anyone would go biking. Santa genetic disobeyed a specialized any latal like it's like a lap of people that you go and see whenever never I've seen people to go to genetics which is ostrich EP G._p.. Height you 'cause everytime asthma G._p.. They relate all. I don't know how you can then hold debates it but when I was like ha ha I got a diagnosis. That was the right in your face. G._P.'s what to do with you typically geneticists fantasists gave me a whole tests had to do the took some bloods that whole he told the beating score tests me but hoping down and they were like Oh viewpoint and ended a fill family history old and far <unk> in its white is can report on all non family medical history <hes> and so they've tried to chase where any of these genetics come for with going m the asked every single detail till of for as far back as I detail so they were really thorough which it's exciting to get to that Dr to get Dr Looking at your whole history. You're like Oh good together. Last live is saying is that till you're listening and is going to care not another to Kim. I'm not saying that all right but if not been listened to and just been kind of shrugged go for so many years I could have eaten <unk>. I was so I was achieved am totally and she did a few other tests like she looked to the mice speech. Usually you've got fatty fatty high archie so that is indicative of in is is indicative of tape of D._S.. Yes <unk> Tyson the archer my hi. It's interesting. You can't compare to other people. You don't know I mean even if you occasionally put your tongue in someone else's mouth. You probably aren't aware of Oh how high the group of their mouth is. It's not it's not what's happening. Should maybe not even thinking opportunity and if you were than they would notice I think <hes> she touched by skin. My Skin's that velvety touch to which is of eighty indicative marker of E._D._S. tight to Taylor which I have if I go take to classical Amer stanmore Centrum Aso when you touch can avail <unk> magic magic touch. Nobody's cooking velvety feel into and I'm yeah it's not of not straight she skin some people have and but it's fake she's touched it. She was like they uh <unk> self scan. This is kill also member before no on there was a few other things. She asked a baked beans in fangs highly. What is getting blood taken from me night there? I am the worst actually the worst <unk> <unk> hospital demanding many many hostile states we have discussed previously whenever the football to miss this would come rain should go on to get let me she's your worst again from like old ladies or Qena thin for like a month of yeah. I can't really I mean yeah you can drink water when you can drink water but if that the difference than they just do they're just rubbish in this things. I'm also going to diagnose you. Take Two F._M.. Center with crossovers of the vascular type Moscow <unk> e._D._S. is dangerous right <unk> dangerous type of English Donald Central on <unk> types of Dallas Center Mercedes. You see this said but this is a daily C._V._S.. Type people dying instantly like just even touch hit hemorrhages by aneurysms if conserve their faces just call collapse in boom there the Arctic <unk> fissile support you know at is available injuries tape own Jillian listen. This is so critical bad. It's a EBI anything how can be so I have crossovers of which is like the the isn't my main type of Miller. Stylish Syndrome is just a half factors over as opposed to of yeah and so and so with classical. I don't know at school or is that also is there a genetic marker for that like you also have known gene. I'm pretty sure we have known gene. She take my blood and she said that my my segments on my on fail. Oh let my may genetic signal that are on fail with like the the lab <hes> so I'm pretty sure of genetic marker for for tape to yeah and that's like Jimmy Track when the acting and all there's other sometimes too just because I know specifically that I see that as hyper model type they haven't done gene. They haven't identified two gene for types three. I'm pressure there is for tape to travel member if and then she said the tests and stuff like you're definitely and the Catholic go yeah. There's deigned to quantifiable things back another sheets. I'm GonNa take your blood so that we can run that <hes> and so I can't imagine she would run for nothing yeah yeah. That's a love eleven. I find that stuff yeah and I go away or through saying that I definitely hot it so the last night I should do that. Yeah yeah a lot of time so I'm still went now this stuff that much about so well. Let's see what people no no. I am you know I used to here's the thing I used to be rate. The knowledge and this is all. I knew all concerned but this is all. I believe it was like all was e._D._S.. Stuff yeah and everything easiest and all England to new was what's happening. What's up and coming in what's going on but it will think crazy yeah and that's the thing yeah I think? It's so easy for this kind of stuff to become like all consuming and then there's nothing when there isn't more for you to do in the moment you need to find a way to live your life. However that looks I think and like step back yeah like when I was but I I got diagnosed as serious money money because I needed something to focus on was so happy that grow diagnosis so relieved that family yeah and you weren't wait the crazy and you know that you're not anymore? There's an explanation and it's real get absolutely there's an explanation it's real. I'm not crazy. I'm pretty mobocracy not like that but like I knew it was there is a saints of relief for a moment the saints release they in a new kate of creeping than say <unk> wanted it will want nets. I'm released the I know what is but I don't want you know so there is a Qena is a double-edged Sword Yeah Yeah and with E._D._S. so after you get the diagnosis from the geneticist I know you're saying there's no clinics for you to go to but it's kind of like what do you do now. What is the treatment protocol? Is there a protocol right like what they do is essential throw off chests to make sure that everything that doesn't start growing up to to make sure that everything that you should have had done is okay so they come in for a check of my heart because people with easiest Vadis videos are pruned to get a typo murmur on there in all kinds of the name because Mcclain's nothing in the name of the work in the words not there weren't networks like they're all except for Taylor tape of vow and Andy at night. There's a there's check all the vows in your hearts to make sure that you're not getting this particular poll. They didn't develop improperly or something. Hang your connective tissue problem. All the people who have edition narrowly screaming listen to this is our lake. I know what you mean the word we'll know it by by the opposite comes out we can have google so am and I also go. I have saying where my pressure tanks. STAND UP YEP blood pressure. Does your heart rate go. Is it pots as well and I never go there Fisher diagnosis Florida but I told me I had posted in Tacky Yeah Yeah you stand. Gosh it's all it's still a riot and they're like yeah. Push Attack Carpio. Now's Noda blackout the stand up so yeah we figured that normal entered into a something going on there so I get so they save nearly two cardiologists to make sure that everything's okay beside apple key is a real to Fort Yeah 'cause is okay as you can be blockade in your standing up so there's that and then so what they do is duly after but then once battle these checks they're like your or your condition kind of and then they don't want to see you again. That's not getting called back by that you were really into. I was rooting for you. Which really written for you yeah? I thought what we don't WanNa come you back in your light got it but yet they because they are a diagnostic services are not serious so they K- know diagnose and pass on but in the case there's no one for them to pass you want to pass on <hes> to no-one. Usually there's other people with other conditions are the more will established in terrible but you know I mean people conduction of more money and behind them then rose in house option available yes. There's a prescription available to fund it than they would get. You know surveys another someone else to look after because I get seen by consultants. That isn't what I'm saying. I do get seen by G._P.. Does save me off to consultants to this consultant which are not consulted above the block but there's no one person right other than the May G._p.. Overseeing the whole catcher to what we do the E._D._s. the allude are we doing and what's the next plan. Heroin GONNA move useful worked in terms of E._D._S.. <hes> EP <unk> other things right right and they don't have the end dips knowledge they. I saw one of them. One team with Google pilled up yeah. I like okay cool so we're both googling. We're both in the U._K.. Page yeah and I was like face Pomeroy J. Nataly told speed up like that was just me that was a mood of earlier. Oh you don't blame them but can really stuck shying yeah yeah. It's just I like the situation so frustrating when you what's happening because there's just not what can you do. What can they do like all okay? Diagnosis was about three years ago. It's yeah and have you been working through all of this question one working and then what else would I ask about like what's your day to day like my date and I'm a singer and very video are key gets. Do I love I'm also video while acute <unk> place where at able to work now even two and a half years ago. I'm still using sticks okay so I was still using. They walk away because the way that helps work causes too much pain in my lower back comme Pale this the restall sel pursuing stable at night. I still get a lot Payton still got a lot Stephen Moore back and I mean ibis for a couple of years. I was pretty much bathed by on on five stolen. I was in constant pain <unk> ankles over time time to sail Kasa tonight is am I was really unveil unwell girl on and that it was around the time you were diagnosed to like yeah yeah so like mobility was really affected general health as a result and then. What do you think changed some of that stuff? If I mean obviously it's always up. I've been down with chronic illness. Yes what do you think caused. The up that is interesting. Chris might have a controversial answer to have your own answer. That's okay okay. I was <unk> when I was sex. <unk> couldn't do anything Michael. Life was sickness. Will I could see <unk> expediency <unk> all my whole life was just a l hill all I was I at the time I was a couple of in chronic scripts on facebook <hes> with other like good and they can be great. They can be such great healthy species but you can also be toxic cesspool of WHO's successively who's had the worst day today who takes the most medication who is based in this Pearson or <unk> on. I had just had it yeah. I todd it can also be like Bet Shean fate in women just being the washed of women sometimes normally bit her. Just be better yeah. We're all struggling like this to be part of that and the worst thing me as well. I'm not saying I am innocent. <hes> baby straight to the magician and I just can't look if you become women working. This isn't the helpful to anybody or innovating nice. Some of them are agree and I see some people oh well anthem N._S.. Thoughts what some people choose great go for Love Your Best Life. I wish you nothing health unhappiness <hes> but for me I was like P site. Whom am I I it was it was not to put it lightly to put it lately so I saw for a movement of starting my own and try to late you know changes system? Be lately create different atmosphere. Let's go for it now. It's still going to be the same like no matter because when he realized is that when you have a hail some things unfortunately when you have a hail beast social grip on health <unk> focus off yeah is they shoot what what the problem for me personally was the shoot for me. Personally was all I was seeing after was me being sick Maria life and me focusing on l.. Hail online and I was like any mosquito <unk> any anita safe-space somewhere the snowflakes space but I was like obviously somewhere where adults he said this yeah where it doesn't feel like everything is awful. Yeah I wasn't as I say it wasn't gagging octane for me performing in gagging and being able to be a center has always been such an amazing escape from me because I know Amo the sect Paerson Yeah midnight perform just edema yeah and not was taken from me for a good three four years of my life and that doesn't mean that that's a long time for me. I was like I need to do something. Something needs to change because I need to get our case during war era of yeah if not for for the sake of donors to eat that also something I love you know and so I was like let's start by changing the focus. This <unk> focused on something good in healthy for me so I switched up the social media first off that lane they we <unk>. We got a puppy dog. Although I started being able to move abate a bit more you know just looking after him and then be starting just like Jane to walks in just a half to see this fetching opposition with yet that stoked <unk> foreign I wouldn't have been as interested is even as much as a hat a puppy yeah I love my puppy dog atrophy. I'm wondering what's going on line eight to admin thing <unk> diamond thing because it was taking my whole life coaches understand where it happens but it was taken up my whole life yeah but as actually actually the space and then relate glass got <unk> on because the dog and then I was able to start moving around about more now's Kim not in his much pain and then we got the dog started to might be walks and I was able to use mistakes that lace Annan Sasaki Belden restraints that more and then unholy sets sets months later on Islay my stepson <unk> script right now as the Homina this not upbringing. It's not bringing home whose name just leaving them year so left them <hes>. I'm just half forward since I mean don't have your own. They're still days where I happened to secure for for capacities. Yeah Yeah not like Oh. I'm like made a choice and so now I'm stronger than needing mobility AIDS avenue. It's like okay. I decided to make space to like take some Charles Yeah because I think that can be part of it. Is it like when you're sick. It's scary to go on a walk because you legitimately if you're like I might get to the end of the street and not be able to walk back and that's that can make a huge barrier. Yeah we can change your attitude enough that that risk is feasible gas. Yeah yeah also a huge part of it was like the car and I'm a driver too. I was able to innovate and be able to drive and see the world you like. I don't have to say my bed all the huge also thing May and then am I just I made my sticks also than they were like lottery changes. It's a change tapan attainment jazz <unk> like this feat click you know basic basic sex Rabin and they don't need to look strictly medical notes else thank you but the thing is I just <unk> justice say not with me but as you see that doesn't mean that it was easy. <hes> and I always have to have a backup here just in case things are really bad. <unk> back is playing <unk> windfall lightbulb attain a him ankles are like we're not playing you know where this but I created this space ace <unk> lights. Just try move into and we'll see but Houghton's on you know you have to try and for me. I have to try because I have had to get back and softly after therapy year of working hard chine heart I go back at work in <unk> recant in Spain the entire recovering because partner shown is almost incredible human allies and he's just like university like like this is important and he just <unk> so that he just he worked so Tang and he has it so that I can get to be kid and rest journaling because because he solve <unk> by address rather that you only what you're drilling and anymore. You're going to push yourself. Push yourself for something that matters to you yet completely. Completely he completely gets out and he gets it for my soul. You ever getting money for it but it's like you need to do this for you on for your your health also sale you <unk>. It's important so I'm like it's pretty cool to be the Sangha Game Yeah. Oh yeah that's plastic igniting like so much of that resonates with me. I think one thing that I also was just thinking about like online illness communities. I'll say Clem. Also I'm in facebook groups. I look at chronic illness. Read it like a lot of my twitter is chronic illness but I think twitter's auto different but another thing about it that I found would kind of limit me is that people are complaining all the time and a lot of these groups. I think it wouldn't necessarily maybe well received if you wanted to post about having a good day yeah yeah like if I an oil and post it up by my story uh-huh yeah like through this part where you're like getting out and singing again and yet and walking still something mobility but differently than yes do are like how list my stepson holiday <hes>. I don't know if they would cheer so for me. Yeah some made sure I'm sure some people would but it's like the things that do well. The Algorithm are not those things no take I get it. I get but Saad Saad suitcase. You know yeah that Nazi case I I guess the support aspect of it is to like almost for people who are having a team and they do want people come in going with me. I'm doing really well yeah. They don't want that like Sharpton. People's faces an Stan yeah but it's like I don't know if it helps people yeah and I get of win if you're not can affect your teaching incident on the edge of being like you could get from being Anakena of <hes> unquote rock yeah if you're constantly seeing the the bad stuff that cool combat suffer if it could keep you avi safe zone yeah saying your expectation because even if I think it's it's super common for lots of people aw even like what you just said so you're digging on weekends and then you're recovering during the week so it's not like you're saying well I just changed my mindset and now I live totally normal and healthy life yet yeah. That's what a lot of instagram grandma like that honestly start me yeah so on the one hand. There's like facebook groups that are only like it's only going to get worse forever and on Damn. It's like you just need to make one change in commit to it and then you'll never be sick again again and yet I think based on these interviews and people that I've talked to you for most people at somewhere in between and in each of those spaces. It's hard to be honest about the inbetween about like yeah. I had a really okay great. I've had a really great two weeks me personally. I've had a really great two weeks before that I was in bed for three days and it's like having being in a space where you can't post about. Both of those things is kind of tricks your brain into being like it's only okay if it's positive or it's only okay negative and like that doesn't work. It doesn't doesn't work that's also what makes you think that you can't be yourself. Tolls on any form of social media and it's like well you know that's why I tend to believe only advertise but business business stuff yeah. It's it's easy to may not trying to represent yourself exactly so hard so hard and it really meshes mashes with my brain <unk> <unk> awareness month <unk> over according to handle greatly but to recording this <hes> and I will mention English loss in me on some from social the because I always do yeah. I tend not talk about E._D._S.. Mom Lamey more yeah because it was unless I'm Gordon for like beg subsidy or are like S._R.. Judy won but for like surgery or I'm doing. I'm really been really for longtime. I will talk about a health stuff online anymore because I used to talk about all the team. Yeah facebook could buy entertainment <unk> under night affair. Be Bad just talk anymore. Yeah I'd also normal yet. Does it look good to venues the ongoing too happy hospital on the Tuesday and I'm coming to in this afternoon to do a show late but that society of society right yeah. It's a really sad state that you know people may delight don't know phone a bit Kerr. She was hostile. They're limiting the moisture. GonNa Commission could reliable. She's GonNa make it before it really is genuine out before side vein US phone up agency in late. She couldn't be all right is is this odd Steve <unk>. It's just it's the way society <unk> Anais thought but true and you know yeah I would love to say I would love to lease a trail and try and change it because that's Kinda. Pearson Alma Mater saved. I'm always wanted to sweep flex swim upstream yet but you know but it takes like there are so many different ways I think even getting out and living your life and it's there's a difference between keeping something a secret and not like not posting it on a billboard you know like yeah that's true you can be like I am living living with condition and I'm open about win that is necessary and also I don't. I don't need to tell everybody about it in every conversation and yet shoe trip to be so like as a safe and I <unk> diagnose that was like AMRs money <unk> justifies in fines for issue at that article in a national newspaper Mama's on a T._v.. Show Yeah I did a law <unk> so beyond banning much not quite <unk> yeah. I have done a lot to ease awareness yeah yeah. I just real innate a native dead all the stuff. Let's finish scripts. I've done off. They realize to Medina for right. If it's not the thing for you because I think I think for some people like being patient advocate for their condition is what lights them up and if that up then that's fantastic we need also but if it doesn't then there's you don't have to do that like you. Don't know anybody yet. I it really dead. I loved it so watch and I really really dead. Los It then a thaw am I doing. That's because I love it because I want to do it. Ramadan it because I feel I have to <hes> because I feel a half too because I have this condition because bill. I've got this twenty to get workday ninety. Two Komo said I felt like I was obligated to yeah and then I was like amherst. Put more pressure on yourself on your own eighty sec you might need to tell your conditioning yourself secker yeah yeah and it was <unk> and to the racial Sakti to get better. <hes> you know depression offices facebook grips racial <unk>. You know what to do. What did not want this show? Take <unk> Kate. The waiter meant to k maybe sometime in the future of well go back to doing some sort of advocacy for idiot educate because educator and adducing the what needs to retire regional goblet ought to get no beloved specialists at school night right that will not be out to change it yeah definitely and there are many avenues that go into Kennesaw that stuff I but I very much she will the change and I do not faint. I find it takes time yet. Oh I that's that's what this check to retain but at just felt the taking the pressure off my focus was the as very much stealthy and stow vader's believe <unk> Camman breath that yeah you of your life on soccer friends to France here on these groups and I'm like great but it's just not it wasn't no not that's right I. I'm and I do like on twitter. Talk about my health but one thing that I like about twitter is just the way that set up is I can talk about things really matter factually. It's it doesn't feel the same as facebook I don't. I don't know maybe this is just me but if I'm having whatever nerve pain and I can just weird today's nerve pain day like I feel I feel like because it's just an open forum instead of a closed group where everybody's looking for ways took on stuff that if you can say something kind of neutrally and like I don't know it doesn't work the same way and maybe that's just like my what my account is set up like but I totally whenever I'm in I think four or are five chronic illness facebook groups that I'm not active in at all but when they show up and my newsfeed I'm always like oh right. There's a lot going on here. Yeah Yeah and you can always tell the nurse stuff of course died while Yep. That's a whole thing and they go unto Instagram worlds and you've got all these kids are full Kerr Levin living their life promote and stuff in Salem. They're geared sale. Invest in Salem not like but you get marriage marriage. Are you <unk> what it just. I know a world. Let's be a professional paerson. O K as I say. Let your life but wow to do that. You could do that night. I know saying look a little Pearson <unk> honey. It is strange again. I understand completely. Get get this done by the mood it being someone who is facialists Pearson was one of those cells. That's just do it again of my teeth controversial yeah it's not it's not for me either. I will say that with like some people who do a really good job of blogging or blogging. Although I'm not a video personally never never watch some people do a really good job of like using their own experience to raise awareness I understand but then I think some people get stuck in the same kind of Rut of like I'm using my own life as a soap opera to create interest and that might not have the best health outcomes long-term. Yeah I unkindest being the granny look like but oh yeah adept to take a long before I was GonNa comment on this and go through law of like and <unk> influence <unk> stuff from bill later who civil merch is not so much what's going on here what they actually talking about what the speaking on because again I do understand it's good to show your life and uh-huh and use that as a form of awareness and then a lot of people go to stores that are going money school in to their particular China tear wherever yeah I understand that with that ass enemies and things like that is a good thing but some of them. I'm just like this. I don't understand why why this is softening. Some some of it just like I don't understand this particular. Angle awareness is how we're going. Okay kill. This is Ted. Turner is a wonderful thing. It's beautiful okay. Is there anything the thing that we haven't covered while you've been going through kind of your story and all of this stuff about culture and social media. Is there anything that's in your brain that we haven't gotten to just F you're there. You are dealing with a chronic condition no matter if you believe there's something going anyone in your body and you have a doctor telling you knew that you philly believe there is something do not give up lease ever ever ever give up the 'cause I struggled chuckle away for over wealth since I was seven Bryant and didn't get to loves twenty nine with doctors tailing me. It was nothing it was it was that selling you're headed. Your <unk> was crazy. Once you please never give up because pickup in every locate. The positive doctor is telling you because you'll get there. You'll looking answer and even if he if your gift is loose this year and you may never get fill on diagnosis believe me a diagnosis is not answer. Ryan was not saying it's not the whole thing because I go on diagnosis assist and fill all that great so just keep on going to rely on the greet people that you have rangy and get good resources is in your life. Let this because it's what matters is what matters in it's like. Keep your flow. <hes> leave your body. Believe your body in neural. Let me tell you that that in squeezy the whatever makes you. I think that's true okay wonderful so thank you so much for time to talk to me. I appreciate it. I'm excited to share it. Always okay to you cringe every single thing of Said thank you for listening to episode of thirty five of no end in sight you can find Emma on Instagram at m M Kelly and on twitter at Ama- Kelly and you can find this show on instagram at no end insight pod with periods where the spacious should be. I'm still a little slow on post because I'm behind on transcripts but that will pick up again once those pick up again which should be soon and you can find me. Bryanne on both instagram and twitter at Bennis be next week. I'll be talking to someone with M. E.. So make sure you subscribe on Apple Podcasts S. or Stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts and if you've been enjoying the show I would be so grateful if you could share a review on apple podcasts so that other people know what to expect as usual don't forget that I have a small facebook group called Chronic Hustler's for for people living with chronic conditions who are self employed. It's quiet but growing and you even find a few podcast guests in the group and finally this podcast is supported by my cross-stitch company Digital Artisanal when I'm up for it. I make simple modern.

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Flintstone Ribs and Sidewalk Talk

Forked Up: A Thug Kitchen Podcast

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Flintstone Ribs and Sidewalk Talk

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one production available on Apple podcasts. And podcast one podcast. One presents. Four up a thug kitchen. PODCAST The show that discusses food politics and pop culture all while China. Give give a fuck and now for your host. Michelle Davis and Matt Holloway. Welcome to forked. Up Your go-to podcasts. Ask for all things Corona CANNOLI and corruption. I'm Michelle Davis. I'm Matt Holloway Today. We're talking big brands. Being broke the origins ends of Corona virus and how salt saved America. It's about to give for what is up partying. How the fork is everybody doing Show how you doing all right yeah. I'm tired tired real tired. Twenty twenty is pulling no funchess or it's even hard to focus on the news. We have been hitting some book deadlines lately. Yeah and it's like news. I know that's a break. Listen Ogden very behaved at the office. I have not turned on the television to MSNBC to watch any of the impeachment hearings. Unless we're having a lunch break between that and Kobe. I don't know and the corona at how are we supposed to get anything done but we've been shooting we you just shot the cover one one possible cover. We always shoot so for every book that we've done we've what do you think the Mo- most covers. We showers probably book the first book. We shot a lot. Yeah we're all tacos slight variation like three or four romance. We shot like five or six different covers. The covers the negotiations between the author and the publisher. They sort of have an idea. What sells well? You know. I usually look like for cookbooks. It's like having a recipe or on the cover. Yeah like for instance. Having a a dish cooked dish. Sounds better on the cover then just having you know words or pretty imagery or like the authors photos. I mean unless you're gonNA fucking garden like our Martha Stewart. Let's just say it's it's tough to move units with the picture of yourself on the cup. Yeah I'm also. Savory dishes fell better than sweet or baked goods or breakfast foods so are three cover so far we've done tacos on the first book burden. You did this Bobby Sandwich on the second book and then we did MAC and cheese. Which Ozzy is he? I remember shooting that thinking. There's no way that Mac and cheese is going to be covered because it was like I thought I was like this is to basic is going to be struck down in editorial and all of our covers wrap around the back goes on. Don't notice that let's just put down it all wraps around so it makes shooting it even worse. fucking differ your whole Because we hate ourselves. I don't know why we do everything. The hardest way possible. And so we set up this beautiful. We went to the like farmer's market the ASS Cadogan on Wednesday we set up all beautiful produce that we bought and I did like a rainbow pattern. When like all this movement and stop in Maui shooting? It's fucking gorgeous with his great lighting and then the Chew Weenie. That lives next door. Oh totally forgotten book. Though came here at such a weird week came and he'd been running around being cute all day and he came up and and that was like. Did you just wake up from a NAP buddy. Because he looked a little weird knows like not an allergic reaction to something so that adore motherfucker was breaking in hives. You look like a fucking sharp all of a sudden we because the neighbors weren't home. Yeah so we took her to the vet take. The neighbor's dog to the vet in the middle shooting are cover for. The new book is coming out. Because he's a little guy he's like fifteen pounds and I mean he was getting hives all over. Luckily his airway wasn't swelling. His is worse rolling. You look like a teeny tiny sharpen. It was kind aww cute if I wasn't so concerned about him. Yeah being able to breathe. Yeah but he's a very arrogant and dog and you could tell him. Don't look at me. Ask Not allergic getting jowly. Like you got like a greater looking thing on his throat and he was like I I I honestly. I'm impressed so we had to leave the other dog flags theft dog boy and then Baas leave the office and I gotTa Yeah to say. I'm impressed that we like I. Just turn the light kids off when we walked out the door. I don't even think I'd turn the camera off and we were able to come back back with that table untouched. I'm movie expected. That should be flipped over Beethoven style. Yeah and like they didn't touch it. So Ah but they did. They did tear into bag. Treats together. And and these they they have they were like they took the little one now. Czar talk tour open a bag of like twenty untouched peanut butter moans brand new beg gone completely gone and these dogs. Don't get along but we like to think of. It was like a trauma bond. Now they get along extra just fucked up and we're just like cool cool. I hope you enjoyed pieces of shit. Judge in a weird week and I'm tired and we as we're turning in book for we're starting production but five but and you've been having drama your it your health home. Yeah so my neighbors David causing all kinds of problems apartment building. Yeah like I mind my fucking business. You know what I mean like long as you not like fucking with me. I'm not gonNA fuck you know but like these people have been causing problems for every unit buildings. Small more buildings only four units. Every single. One of US got beef with the neighbors. They've been there like two months ever since they moved in. It's been fucking drama and I guess the Damon the landlord has some kind of beef. And they're moving out hustling beef after beef. Yes like yesterday I go home. I haven't been home all weekend. I got family in town. You know sorry. Go home yesterday. And they've moved out apartments empty victory. But let me tell you they just do all this shit on the God damn sidewalk extra shit. After only having been for two months the sidewalk thing is not a new game. They've been since they moved in. They've been like take treating the sidewalk like their trash. And this has been a problem and just that block from goodwill's a goodwill in the street it's fucking frustrating. Yeah this is this is one of Linnea fucking problems with these. Just look like they're they're they're young. They're like twenty five asked ask what they look like a like a horror pyo cash just shit all over the foot and it was like blocking the driveway. Dude fucking they're gone. Do you want downtown And you know looking onto my window. Now I can see quite a bit of downtown and come looking and speaking of sidewalks talks being like fucking covered like birds scooters and all those fucking scooters taking up all this Goddamn real estate Making money off the public sidewalks walks. And even though we're all annoyed none of us are like these companies shouldn't doing anything about it but people get mad when people are sleeping on the sidewalk not even give mad but local municipalities guard away in clear all their shit throw it away put spikes on the fuck are we not just throwing away a bird scooters like they're doing the same fucking thing at least. The homeless are turning a profit right. They're not making any money like they're asking for help. A I feel like the fucking birds through their business plan. It's a plan all along. I don't understand. There's no infrastructure for these companies to just be consuming consuming public space renting from the city. They aren't right. Okay throw them in the garbage like if you have the fucking to throw away. Someone who is in desperate need just moving them. They know you're not fixing their problems. Ellsberg yeah go collect more. They'll throw away everything but we're not the only and I've forgotten like almost names the all the jump bikes in the scooters. Now because you're just a fucking everywhere but like being with my family this past weekend they were like what is always like. Oh there's just like you have this APP APP on your phone. You just unlock it and you just like go wherever you go on. And they like their go. That's cool. I'm like dude. Look look how many count between now where we're going home than you fucking fucking see. They're everywhere it's fucking nuisance. Yeah but I just can't believe like I dunno just recently. I had that mental connection of us being show show with companies using public sidewalks. Public Infrastructure was the homeless population. Too is I think it's twenty five thousand for La County seventy thousand our. Yeah I'll bet there's easily seventy thousand birds counters in off. You're like we could. We could probably work works out every night nearly sixty thousand homeless in La County residents are homeless. Okay so we have so we have sixty thousand. Homeless People Are People Experiencing homelessness here in Los Los Angeles I guarantee there are sixty thousand bird scooters Davos this city yeah yeah and the bird's word scooters are making money these people are asking for help focus. I'm just saying I feel like what you're this neither should be on on the sidewalk. One should be legislated against and not the other I'm talking to people be or find them housing and then let's fuck in throw the bird scooters in the garbage for sure are just have designated areas. Pay Rent the city anyway anyways. Let's get some food Buddhist. It is now time for this week in history. This I'm serious gourmet so I got a real nerdy food history. Three all this week so this week in nineteen forty doctor. David Murray Cowie how he died. Who you might be saying? I I don't know this person. Well I guarantee you consume a product. He brought to the US almost every single day he was. An American pediatrician. And he was a pioneer in convincing American table salt producers to dive into their products to reduce the incidence didn't of greater in the. US border. I'll get there but you know what a goiter looks like. It looks like a blog a frog like a frog MM thing on your throne okay. So and even though this was a cheap and easy solution to a problem that was growing worse than the US. Surprisingly it wasn't an easy sail for him. You'd think they'd be like Oh dude like whatever but now in the in the early twentieth century goitres were especially especially prevalent in the region around the Great Lakes and in the Pacific northwest and goitres began receiving serious attention as a result of the world war or one draft because so many men from the United States were disqualified from military service because they had greater and they're like hold on. So why is this like what's it's going on like with our people the listeners. Right now do not Google Goitre that is horrific. Yes so goiter like we were saying thing is swelling in the neck resulting from an enlarged thyroid gland and worldwide over. Ninety percent of cases are caused by an iodine deficiency and and this problem has been happening throughout history Lake I didn't know I don was that important. Yeah so you know. It's naturally present in the diets of people who live near the ocean or live on soil. That was once underwater. Because there's going to be iodine deposits in the ground thus getting into your vegetables But there's you know. prescriptions from the Tang Dynasty in China which was like three hundred six hundred BC of people having goitres and then I'm giving them animal lovers to cheat the greater is. which do you have iodine him? But the connection between iodine and goitres wasn't directly made until much later later so a dietary mineral that is naturally present like I said in the food supply in some regions especially near the coast. But it's generally rare in the Earth's crust trust were natural levels of iodine in the soil are low. The iodine isn't taking up from vegetables. And then the whole population suffers heavily from this happens in like I was saying Alpine regions so mountains of any kind on oceans is what I like to call them. Non Ocean the the English Midlands is a famous place where they had a huge amount of greater for years and the Great Lakes Region here in the US. An iodine added to salt provides the small but essential amount of I needed by humans and it saves countless lives and again Dr Cowie had to fight for this. So the the salt producers of America had to be persuaded to incorporate sodium iodide into the reduction process by him. It was difficult to prove that people who doomed iodized salt were better protected affected from simple goiter. Because it's hard to prove the absence of something. Sure you know it's not like yeah. Okay we gave these people you know I had I salt and they didn't goiter. It's like well. Why would they have gotten so? It's difficult to prove. Science was on his side and also the Swiss had been doing this for decades famous Alpine region and had great results but producers still lag can the United States. Because you know. Where's the money right? Yeah Yeah we we. We can help people. But how do we make money doing. Yeah so Kelly and the Michigan State Medical Society really begging the Michigan Salt producers to. Did you something about this. They formed a committee and after several months of meetings with physicians and educators. The Michigan State Medical Society gave Kelly go had had to really have their seal of approval in his quest to make this all happen and finally like this was years after he started his quest on May Verse Nineteen Twenty Four iodized salt by the Diamond Crystal Salt Company Makoko Salt Inland Array Salt Michigan. What works and ruggles assault appeared Michigan Grocery shelves with Iodine in it And finally by the fall of that year so just a couple of months later Morton Salt Company need begins distributing iodised salt nationally helping Americans everywhere making goiter a very rare condition here the United States. So it helps reduce quarter the dark and so what you might be but the fact is this was forever ago this was in the nineteen twenties. I don't give a shit. Well you actually fucking should. Do you have a shape so through Dr Couch. Work a whole generation of Americans in their offspring. Were significantly better off. A twenty seventeen study found that the introduction of of iodized salt in one thousand nine hundred thousand four raise. The I Q for One quarter of the. US population most efficient iodine. Yes fucking crazy. All right and these findings quote can explain roughly one decades worth of the upward trend in IQ in the United States eighth which has been called. The Flynn effect during this time period occur and another paper in two thousand eighteen. Found that in the nationwide distribution of nine fortified salt increased increased incomes by eleven percent. I mean a significant. Yes because when you have a diet that's low or absent in iodine. You have birth defects. You have people born with disabilities mental and physical In addition to people getting goiter loiter and all these other symptoms take them out of the workforce later in life so all in all. This was a simple cheap thing that made aid to the poorest of US significantly. Better off do. According to that study I mentioned the two thousand eighteen study. These impacts were largely driven by I changes in the economic outcomes of young women and in later adulthood both men and women. Higher family incomes do station of salt crazy. So so what about the rest of the world. Since we've been doing this for about one hundred years right While worldwide iodine deficiency effects two billion people and is the leading preventable cause cause of intellectual and developmental disabilities only like four and a half billion to cloak. And this is the number one thing that we could do you to prevent intellectual and developmental disabilities. And we don't fucking do it. According to public health experts idealization of salt may be the world's simplest and most cost effective steve measure available to improve world health costing only a five cents per person per year. I feel like that's solvable. bazo could do this. This no fucking troppo gates could solve this. Fuck your malaria net. But it's still still wouldn't like even they wouldn't even know the money on you couldn't even even feel it. They couldn't even feel it do math. Yeah at the World Summit for Children One thousand nine hundred a global goal with that to eliminate iodine deficiency by two thousand. Did we hit it. No we did not at that time. Twenty five percent of households can do Consumed I salt and we were up to sixty six six percent of worldwide households by two thousand six. So we're doing better but a nowhere close to one hundred percent so just real quick there would cross gates are Basil's one hundred million dollars every year just to solve this. Yeah five cents per I just keeps going. Yeah so one hundred million dollars for two billion people seems manageable for you know people have hundreds hundreds of billions of dollars. Movies have bigger budgets hundred cats budget if we could do one less like fast and furious been off. Cats budget was ninety. Five million dollars for the costed acid. It takes to make the movie cats which flopped. Where's he was just never happened? We should saw global GOITER. Yeah Yeah I deficiency. We fucking fixed this. Nobody asks for cats. Yeah people are asking for this. Okay and why is nobody done. Ns because you can't make money off of it for sure you can't fucking make money off of it. Yes like I was saying. It's like okay here. We can help people can. And Yeah. Where's my side of the X.? So there's less you know intellectually disabled children but what about me but how to get dividends. It's often yeah. Yeah Fuck you guys so to my financial portfolio called charity. Who Am I So thanks to people like Dr Cowie who had no financial benefit to himself. He didn't own salt mines or anything like that. Made sure we aren't suffering ring any more and he helped the children of the great. You Know Great Lakes Region Children Nationally here in the and families for generations to come so shout out to him In all the years I've been alive. I never knew what I owed is. Salt was it on a Labor right. Yeah I've see everywhere a- and the only times that we really don't use iodized salt as in canning because it can tended discolor the fruits and vegetables canning stuff but otherwise why is iodized table salt. It's mine St Salt for like additional trace minerals meals like mix up your salt sources. But if you think you're too good for iodized salt your your neck into about David Live. Go try to get an education or get a job with a fucking growth out the side of your neck. We're not going to be front of House restaurant. Oh my God that's GonNa do you GONNA be back. Housing can be taken out the trash rush mop the floors and you're not going to be paid very much and you get paid less for doing the. That's what I was always so afraid of. When I had no money was losing teeth and then I was sure or get taken right off that check Tan a right in the back doing midnight garbage back Stockton and they don't pay you don't give you raises? They're like hey ago fuck you you can hear like why would you do shit up. Oh Rude fucking no manners we are. There's no respect. No overdose back so fucking iodized salt a low key amazing invention and Dr Cowie for bringing into the. US is technically cle- like GMO. Though like says something people at the fortified facebook it forty foot. Yeah it's like how we add. Yeah it's the same thing it's a fortified food. I'm trying Kim which saves lives. I'm trying to play devil's advocate and think of the facebook group that would be created to be against I mean anti value. I don't like minerals. That are added. I wanted to be naturally in our food. It's like well okay but you know but yeah sure but like you benefit from unseen gene Schmitz everyday our soil is so depleted anyway. It's that you don't know how fucking car works driving. I did every day. You don't know how Trysofi works use that Shit every day. Try to pretend like you know shit about science or medical health. Vaccinations thank girl. Never showed up at your place at one time. WHO started talking some nonsense to me about how she didn't believe in science? I had a party and modest. Our and I knew I wasn't new years I had had a party in my good friend who I'm still friends with Jeff. Nice guy brought a date fine. I first time meeting the girl. She seems normal ish his rookie. She's very cute. Gets a few drinks in her and Starts talking some pretty crazy shit and this this was towards. Did you like everyone's pretty hammers towards in the night. Everyone's sitting around what I like to call the pit in my living room. We had been out and we came back here play and everyone was still still drunk and trying to figure out what we were doing. Good about that. There was a party bus. I told that whole night. Thinning his living room. And she's fucking talking a mess and I keep trying steer her away from it. Because I'm not trying to give her the offramp every because I'm like I want your friend to like get legitimately want want him to get laid. I don't WanNa get into this. But at a certain point I saw his face change and my generals all I don't think eh did his every word that came out of her mouth in the more nonsense. She's got his body Horny a bit like by the Yes. She didn't believe in buying those a lot she read. I'm Tony Three thing that she said she was all over the map. She was talking about conspiracy spiracy theory. She was talking about talking about vaccination again. She's like I don't believe in science I said. Do you take birth control pill. She's like yeah I was like you fucking hypocrite it again. You don't know how the car works but you drive it every day that they also scientists and require your belief. Yeah that's what's it's cool about science. You don't have to believe in it for it to work or be true. I don't know what to tell you. Anyway what is going to be is going to be a million MOMS uh-huh against a guarantee if they tried to do this rollout now with twitter. There'd be yeah for sure that's what I'm saying. I'm trying to think facebook group by the way one million MOMS is like twenty-five bloggers the campaigns. They rail against like their last one. I think was It was when Burger King rolled out the impossible and the group one million MOMS which by the way is not one million like go to their facebook pages. Like twenty thousand likes or something like that. You know it's an auditorium full of MOMS they were upset at Burger King for the ad they ran for the impossible walker because in that a woman to go by the Burger and she said like Holy Shit. That's good and they bleeped it and the MOMS were upset and they were like this is below Burger King and I was I was reading. How's drip on Tadie limited commercial junior because junior softcore porn Carl's junior are for Horny? preteen boys that's all they're not selling food to actual people wrong but they were like. This is beneath. Burger your king hang on a minute. There's not much that's beneath Burger King. We're talking about a place you can go in and rattled off some fast food or that you're going to have food in sixty seconds. They don't remember the fried commercials that had to have the verbal warning that the anal leakage. Oh but that was we talked about. That was a burger king commercial so anal leakage. Fine very own brand for Burger King. Anyway we should move on total recall. fucking healthy Eddie. brought me fruits or vegetables onto the planet. Welcome to get ready for this week. Amity Packing acking company. LLC based out of Chicago is recalling over two thousand pounds of ground beef due to reports of thin pliable plastic that's been found and in the ground beef the recall just thinking about possible then pliable plastics. I Dunno like essentially fucking ground beef. They're making a little ground beef. I think what is happening is it. It's like the film home. They wrap it the Saran wrap. I think that's getting caught up in about sure. Looks a lot like a condom. That's very pliable of ground beef condom. It's a distraction is trying to contain the chuck. Yes I bet. It's warm out of the grinder and those guys. Don't don't get paid enough. They don't see their wives. The recall was initiated after to customer. Complaints reported the findings. The recall affects nine states and the effective product bears the code E.. Sat's six nine sixteen. God it's right in the affected code sixty nine authorities recommend throwing away the product or returning returning it from where it was purchased. So you think that this is. Let's spins two theories about what plastic this 'cause I think. Why are they have condoms in meat packing plants? Because I said the guys are fucking the ground beef occur. I can American pie situation absolutely okay and it's multiple though but I think it's it's those Saran wrap things and I and I listen. We have one of those you office you know. It's a giant Saran. Wrap Roy if you've ever been in a commercial kitchen you know with Saran wrap role is and you know how to open properly and the people who don't monsters but you take it and there's that blade and you cut it and I think that somewhere along the line nine when they were packing all this up some of that plastic bit got in to the ground now I say condoms or somebody was fluffing their teeth and just throw in with it just all over the place and it got into the ground but this made it to the customers. People bought it in their head to call the company and be like. Hey I was enjoying my burger knows. There's plastic y'all got any Theories about how that happened like Oh no so sorry full refund and they're like dog getting refund on your three dollars and forty cent ground. Feels like it's happening a lot. It does feel like there's a lot of food that has plastic again. And if you guys are you listeners. If you're worried about plastic in your patty This might be a good time to try eating more vegetables. Just saying I know a few you cookbooks. We could rush. Is there maybe a free website. That has a grill lable homemade patty mills and being. We have several Burger Burger recipes sliders. Yes we do. We do have a bean patty reliable. It is grill. which is something that took us a while to figure? It took me like five years and our website is free. There's no ads. We're not making money off your visits. We're just trying to hope. Trying to keep condoms unwanted content mouth you can have as many wanted condoms in your mouth. shitty one. You don't deserve plastic. Yeah I mean chuck another one up to big vegetable. Yeah right you guys. y'All are sleeping on vegetables. I think that I think people want to move away from animal products. The more that this happens right now in China these that corona virus. That's happening and vegetables. Walter that's actually. That is a result of live animals being in small confined spaces that are sold in open markets. It's always markets. They're called wet. Markets like they sell fresh produce but the also like exotic animals and some of the animals jam packed jam-packed yeah got in these makeshift cages Some of the animals already butchered. And they're they're sitting out on tables and unsanitary conditions and a lot of the animals is actually still alive and their exotic animals so when you say exotic dancing with long now they got stripper animals. The animals you know like another Orca. Burlesque show yeah. Classic Classic Onion Article Lake they. Obviously they sell traditional animals. You got you got you. Duck chicken your hawks. Your fish the fish part is super gross. Because it's like you know that that water's just like splashing all over the fish toilet for sure. Yeah Yeah but like they also so so. They sell turtles snakes. Hedgehogs Badgers Guinea. guinea-pigs fucked up wolf cubs fucked. I mean as all fucked up but look what when I saw wolf cubs ten minutes. Like you gotta be Real Special Kana evil tonight get essentially a puppy. Well yeah but like you know. It's like any baby animal. People eat you. You know. Lamb all kinds of stuff like that. It's like so the real real problem is actually coming from bats and bamboo rats. uh-huh this type of rodent live in bamboo and they eat bamboo. What if it's just a rebrand panda's and they WANNA blame compan- does can't can't do this panda population window so they just started painting? RATS PANDAS THEIR DWARF. If pandas pointing actually have long tails thing about the really familiar to stars. Yeah I was GONNA say like back in the early two thousands when there was the SARS outbreak that killed like over eight hundred people like thousands of people I think it was tens of thousands of sick and SARS of y'all remember it's an it was an acronym for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome and he gives victims of flu Lou Lexington you have extreme difficulty breathing and the incubation for SARS was anywhere from like ten days and it was easily spread through contact contact and it was a airborne so like spread rapidly that if you guys want to have a small chuckle at the the impending pandemic please Google Peter Stars Guard SARS guards classic Ethanol skit very very funny. Please check it out but like to try and control the outbreak China shutdown wet markets. When when czars happened? They shut it down but only for a few months and then they they opened up right back up and they didn't put any sort of regulation in place. That's crazy like the same thing fucking happened. So you know flash forward to now and it's the exact same fucking scenario this strand corona virus that actually she originated in bats in the jump to other mammals. And they they think that'd jump to Bamboo rats and yeah which are sold at these wet markets and and pathogens like the corona virus are very easily spread through saliva blood and feces. And it can remain viable up to four days save in the Hunan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was identified as a source of the outbreak which the entire market was promptly shutdown. But only this past week to Chinese authorities suspend the cell of wild animals to try to control the outbreak in these exotic animals are popular in China due to the beliefs beliefs. That there's some sort of health benefit you get from consuming certain wild animals and also like it's it's become kind of like a like a flex like on social social media. Did like you could serve a wolf. Cub is like a meal. It's not dissimilar to flog raw or anything else like that here and like we might not consume as many like as much wild game. But I feel like you know. There's all those kind of crazy health beliefs of like drinking drinking water that had crystals sitting in it or like some kind of mushroom powder like we all want to just different foods but I guess it's very the sweat into a baby. Yeah animals and like there's this big social push to actually actually you ban game meat on we China. It's like their their facebook ads. Communist approved facebook. Yeah it's like your biggest social platform. Yeah there was the campaign to reject game meat and that drew forty five million views and then a couple dozen. Chinese scholars spoke out publicly to put an end to game meat. Sales and health officials have actually warned. There's no benefit to support any of these claims about exotic meeks being able to cure any ailments and and in fact they actually warranted consuming game. Meat was risky big sci-fi bullshit anyway anyway but like so like I was reading this and I get that just tricky because these meats you know these these animal Oh proteins. They're affordable and accessible to low income communities in China. Yeah people did you trying to feed their family and I was. I was reading this article about how people are actually now farming bamboo rats as a way to like lift themselves out of poverty. There's this whole province southern province in Guangxi that they do that in the local economies like booming booming backhoes their breeding and selling chicken. Just like goes just anything else. The only thing is that I feel like a lot of these articles talking about like the wild game and like eating all the stuff. Come off kind of PHOBIC. Because it's like ill look at those things people eating that crazy easy stuff like that's what they get and it's like it's not. It's not too different from what we do well and it's not it's not the eating of wild game in isolation. Listen if you were hunting these things in your community and eating them on an individualistic basis. Like that's not as large of a problem if you're a bamboo Abu rat hunter if you have if you have an assault rifle and you get your pickup truck with the boys. You're bamboo rat dog. Yeah and you go and you go into the bamboo reeds and you sit there. And in a bamboo rat blind chugging chugging beer not as big of a problem that the true problem is these markets because the close quarters. So it's bringing all this wild game game from all over this huge area of China to this one place so if anyone is disease or one small community of animals animals Jesus is incubating a disease. It has this capacity now too quickly. Multiply and move into different host animals and become a really prolific pathogen. that it wouldn't have otherwise not about you gross. These people shouldn't be eating. You know these kinds of animals like it. That's not the crux of the story. The story is that we are creating an environment for people. You're framing that. Making the virus has happened. Wildlife people all this wildlife you bring into essentially a covered parking lot too many people together. It's a it's all together into unsanitary conditions and diseases spread out. Just what happens every single fucking time and it's a public health has this isn't specific. China China this is. This is actually happening everywhere as of this recording right now the center for Disease Control says that a hundred and ten people are under investigation investigation for the Corona virus across twenty six states here in the United States. I think I read that. Five million people had left Hunan Province before the Hawk walk before the quarantine was issued and people like the numbers coming out of a Chinese authorities. People are like those are being downplayed. Well yeah because they're like a also all these hospital. People are on the streets people get into hospitals. Like it's GonNa be really hard for us to figure out and they did the same thing with SARS down I mean you. They should should be honest with their scientific data. But it's also at the same time it's like this is happening really fast right and so I can't. I can't be terrifically angry. If people can't get their handle handle the numbers like this fucking nut but you you have a really good point about it sort of like because maybe we live here in America and you're just used to you know like shaking in ground. Beef Turkey no and you think those like normal animal proteins. There was a pretty recently too. I think this was a couple weeks ago. Maybe three weeks ago you and I were driving down some Monica Boulevard. I forget where we were going. I think we're on our way to a meeting where you're going to the freeway. Yeah and there's a butcher shop in this neighborhood and there was a rock like not a semi lightly smaller but like Lego work truck in this dude was was it like getting a huge flintstones. Dial rack ribs on a shoulder on tone. It was huge. It was like from. I'm a bit like a cow. Ten thirty eleven in the morning on the whole tr- back of the truck is full of beef different coats and they're just offering these giant giant cuts of beef is wearing gloves. This is happening bucket loose beef on Santa Monica plastic issues. Loosey goosey beyond stand rows of very busy road that runs the length of Los Angeles East to west and I didn't even think to plot our phone because we were like a what the fuck is going on. He was on his shoulder and the stunned bonnet. And like all this shit. And we're just like ours are driving by. You're getting break. Dust on that ribs. Was I think the thing that struck me it was all bonkers but I was like that does is not wearing any gloves at the wing. He his hair was touching it shoulder touching it like and y'all are going to the butcher and getting rid that's like an upscale butter and my just reeked of Health Code violations complain if I ate meat I what what the fuck like so. y'All people are gross. We need to examine how we treat. Animals and butcher animals are their own own fucking safety about the animals are going to give you know. y'All know how the plague started with rats. We're doing it again. Yeah we learn Shit Shit twenty years ago SARS outbreak. Rats didn't learn shit. Didn't change shit somewhere. Peter Guard has a whole storage unit Senate full of Stars Guard. SARS gardens merged moves. It was masked guards. Yeah and he's rolling them back out. Talking really and brandon like zoo. They haven't really given this pathogen name. There's calling the corona which is kind of like strand like SARS was a corona virus. Yeah do you think that this is helping corona projects. Jack fucking midnight. Cancel the Super Bowl that we were gonNA week. Yeah we cannot be saying our name right now. We cannot make this mental connection connection or or they reshoot they're super bowl ad and they lean in firing by uh-huh. Oh Jeez I mean corroded. There's certainly I mean they're not going to go broke over it but I'm sure I'm sure every time someone corona virus you're like we've earned him out of that company that acts like it's going broke all the time but but never fucking is in the news again Whole Foods Amazon owned whole foods? My former employer withdrew medical benefits for hundreds of. It's part time workers starting January first of this year because Amazon is famous for having no money In the past employees needed to work at least twenty hours a week to buy into the healthcare plan and now they will need to work at least thirty hours and you might be like well yeah. Why don't they just work? Ten more. Our won't let them let you whole foods won't let you. It's not these people don't want the ten extra hours. They're begging forum because then if you do work those connections have to give benefits which they don't WanNa do yes and so. Almost two thousand employees have lost their medical co coverage. The company said and what's the reason A bunch of nonsense. It was just a bunch of jargon which I'll read in a minute but I can only really assume that the answers greed lead Amazon's hurting for cash and also this was insurance. The employee still had to pay for right. It's not like a company's company's paying one hundred percent of the they're giving you the option. Well aunt. Yeah it was an option. It wasn't like fulltime employees. Where at the APP to supplement at least a percentage of your healthcare insurance? The the whole village was up lamenting any of their insurance premiums. They were getting a reduced rate because they were able to negotiate as a body through whole foods. You'd go through the option to let these people buy it It's not like they were actually out any significant amount of money so this is another company said in their statement was the reason so quote in order to meet the needs of our business and create a more equitable and efficient scheduling model just remember efficient scheduling model. We are moving to a single tier part time structure a company spokesman sudden email. We are providing team members with resources to find alternative healthcare coverage options options or to explore full-time healthcare eligible position. Starting at thirty hours per week. Okay first of all your the only reason. They're not getting thirty hours hours a week whole foods. You can't help them explore new options. You're the one who won't give them the hours. This is a lot like the Senate trial. They're like well they didn't. They didn't call John Bolton like they tried. You told you told jumble did not go there. They call them though. What do you want us to do about it and this whole efficient scheduling model is a fucking nonsense whole foods has always and will always have the most inefficient scheduling model of any time each day? Eh is unrelated to the next. I would work till midnight and then I'd work at six. Am like there. Were a hundred other liberal on the team. There's no consistency. No there's no consistency so you don't get your schedule to. I've got my schedule as late as Sunday to Schedule Week starts Monday. Yes a week ahead like you get it for the next week. Take I mean hours before your shift you it was. You were so stoked if you've got it on Thursday the week before like right before Monday So fuck doc them. They're lying and when I started working there. Eighty percent of the company was full time employees. Okay so and their prophets were smaller. But they were able to cover all all of us and I know that insurance premiums have gone up but still have their profits significantly and now they are at twenty percent full-time so it's like inverted it's inverted. It's fucking ridiculous. This is fucking ridiculous. And I'm tired of companies braving super immorally billion dollars a day like fuck fuck. This whole foods is trying to be poverty passing. They're like help me on. Poor honey isn't going as well with the taken away. Healthcare I vote universal health. Come on every like literally. I don't care what you politics are. We all agreed that. There's no reason as Americans are. We can't have some comprehensive personally bent of online donation stuff like go fund is for medical benefits. Guys guess what we already have. socialized medicine happening brother Beg online nine for money to pay for your surgery. That's socialized medicine. Your friends are pitching in. Let's just do it on a fucking fucking thing. Since we have become authors we pay significantly more Texas because we make more money bomb. I'm fine with this. I would still pay more taxes if it meant meant a stranger in another state or city that I'm never gonNA meet had healthcare. I'm trying to do right by two thousand nine. Michelle guys we're trying to get. Everybody should do right by their most weekend. This this Corona Virus Outta here. We're going to build this wall of Health Insurance and the corona virus won't be able to into hoes is not going to shut the fucking mouse. We'll be back in a moment with more. WORKED UP A thug kitchen podcast. Welcome back to forked up a thug. Kitchen podcast let's get four the cuff well company. That is actually going. Broke is a board and milk warden. Dairy Gary has filed for bankruptcy protection becoming the second major. US Dairy company to seek help is more Americans turn to alternatives. They've been around for a long time to borden. Yeah Yeah I mean as long as I can remember eight years but I like to imagine that are like we weathered the Lizzy borden scandal. We can't get milk eggs by the way almond milk is fucking tired. And what's wired word zone milk. We make the switch folks. We're a house divided you like on Is Bad for the bees. Yeah give me started. Okay it's not as bad for the bees steve as fucking industrial agriculture. For sure in general number one but it save save your finger outrage number. Two you're sucking in precious oat milk. It's canola oil which is fucking horrible. So how dare you bring up. Canola oil I brought it up. I'm putting yeah my coffee care. Debate was the one did trash hemp hemp milk and get fucked rice. Milk can get fucked soy milk. What are you doing? You're just diluted milk. I mean I I appreciate soya milk. Because it's just old school standby and it's all over the place places. Some not my first choice milk jer but I'll take yeah borden dairy company which is based in Dallas reported losses of forty two point four million dollars in twenty nineteen nineteen in a filing with the US bankruptcy court in Delaware it listed as debts between one hundred million and five hundred million to more than five thousand credited. It just got so much anxiety. That's a lot of money to a lot of different people and like at what point were there like. We still got it. Two thousand creditors the thought I. Yeah I have three credit cards. No debt and I'm stressed out. The company filed under Chapter Eleven of the bankruptcy code allowing it to try and reorganize its debts and remain in business. That's less drastic than filing under Chapter Chapter Seven which would have required them to sell all their assets to pay for its creditors and Potentially they would just go out of business so like how along like our personal debate aside. How long do you think that these sort of like ancient milk companies kind of like hang on Britain like they're not really matching consumer not evolve? Him Don't fucking bad for them. Like I don't like when people lose jobs certainly but These are businesses that subsist on government subsidies that are not evolving to reflect consumer demand. I don't give a fuck about you And like now the only job for everything is changing always. Yeah just because you've had a job for like I don't know five years or fifty years that job may not exist and if you don't have the skill set or if you're not evolving you cannot be surprised when your job is either automated. Yeah or the market changes in the demand for different products. It's more like congratulations on creating a business. In the only a hundred fifty to two hundred years where it could have existed the right now and like you made as much money as you fucking could. Did anyone ever really like milk. I mean yeah. Who's WHO's really? He like drinking glasses glasses of milk being like this woman milk. It's in things. Listen I'm trying not to talk about the Senate trump. Yeah but there are allowed on the Senate floor when the senators. They're not supposed to have the phones or any communication outside of the chambers. They're allowed to have three beverages. No no on like in the NFL refreshed all three approved beverage reproved beverages yet your water classic. You got your coffee classic and yet milk. That's what they're allowed to have and crazy psycho but none other than Ted fucking cruise is is sitting on the Senate floor sipping milk like a fucking sociopaths. I mean I think Vegan or not be good. You adult man glass in the middle of the day it to o'clock just sipping milk at work you. Can you imagine Agean. His sweat smells like you know his is all off. I mean frank I mean honestly. It's very on brand. He looks he. Looks like a dude who enjoys a a few glasses of milk every day. Just like he gets so you casino-like coats your mouth like that's gross and that's not not that is dairy specific. The thing that I don't care who you are when you consume dairy whether it's milk or cheese you do produce more mucus body thing can insci-. Yeah so I I did this guy. As so many of my boyfriend's is some point though because now that year engaged. Yeah you'RE GONNA you're gonNA either start accidentally dishing up husbands stories. COSCO's won't be in Cusco ex-boyfriend stories lots of I don't feel like I'm Outta ex-boyfriend stories anytime soon so me and let's do occur. We saved up all all our little pennies and we went to Europe when I was in college on. I think he did it on a thousand dollars each including the airfare like it was not glamour. bare-bones we didn't go to restaurants. We only went to grocery stores European grocery stores and we get like a can of beans and I would just eat candidate experience. Yeah that was the most money I could face this when you take a low income to travel. Yeah so my tickets there. I think were were like round trip. Like four hundred dollars and everything else was a train ticket and like hostels but anyway I hate when people on social media like travel more. It's like bitch you want me to six years to make happen but anyway this relates to milk so we'd go to the grocery store and I I had a water bottle that I would just fill up wherever I can find water and then I'd buy like my canned beans and like effect yet. Okay so and I brought a can opener from home Aw Reads Hobo American little. Can I just opened up. I got a stick over your shoulder. Vulcan yeah you you gotta read a linen bag you have all your little loaf of bread and then a can of beans and that's what I need all day and then he would buy like a couple of liters of milk weird okay and then we mix it up with you. Know he'd drink straight but we keep it in his backpack get warm and we're like Joe ally Europe her. Yeah it was. We were well into the eighties and nineties around all day and he's just sipping on this milk all day and it at best tim. I'm assuming it's war ever is back and then he'd be like I don't feel good of course no shit. You're drinking milk in the ninety five degrees signed poisoning yourself. What are you fucking talking to? s were lost in Rome. Like I don't know what to tell you dude can't get out of here. I'm going to buy water better. Have diarrhea somewhere else. All of our all of our cities to their free like museum day so we have to pay. Admission went to the bottom part of the fucking Eiffel Tower. Couldn't afford to go. How much does it cost to go up there more money than the bottom fair fair? Never Been I don't know man guys if you want to do it. Super broke asked me go the bottom. I slept legit a home depot. Shed ochre in Rome. It was quote unquote hostile. This was early Internet. Dais was there like Bunk beds or you know it was like you know the sheds you buy at home depot to put your is. He's put in the backyard second tool shed. Yeah but like to just put the vacuum or the lawnmower n pretty small. And it's flimsy metal. Yeah yeah it was that AIRBNB. No didn't exist November. Two thousand four okay. So it was baby internet posts Kosar's now travel in this shut. It had like a lot for one person. Mean dudes left on it together. There's no windows because it's a shed uh-huh and it had a lightbulb with one. PULL string on a fucking extension cord describing Bush cheap just ahead. I well he did try to go to a hospital or anything you just roughed it out gross because he slept on the pillow at what of these like hostile take. I brought my own. PILLOWCASE put overall all the pillows smart. He didn't listen to me. Not Smart we just drink milk cupping. We're not together anymore. Obviously like when you travel with someone that you're dating you learn a lot of things about them like he didn't realize before they're just like really just consumed to leaders. Today is totally without be warm high all the time we hung out. I never noticed it grows up to be senator lawyer anyway. That's my big milk story. Collegue him just be like a judge. Got Water on the table chance. We could get some milk in here not not like hot chocolate regular room in temperature. Bullshit I wanna like straight on the T- temperature that's body warm. That's okay I brought my own. I got I got a bag that I'd taped in my my legs. My this is my thigh milk. Listen anyone offered offered me a Swig of their fucking by all the police have to take the bag off as strong like a Capri Sun Capri Sun out so you get the body warmth. Thi- milk get out. I'm done quality now. It's got to fork that the show this week just like to take a moment to think our sponsors which are none very much. 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