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Corby Kummer: The 'Big Problems' With Indoor Dining
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GonNa talk about this in a minute with Corby Kummer But he was talking about how we've surpassed now the numbers of all five of our wars and that when he was predicting this back in March I believe people thought he was way over the top and now here we are and he talks about the divisiveness in the united. States the mix messaging the fact that many people continue not to wear masks As. You know I mean it's it's really incredible when you think about it. that you still see these these rallies and these gatherings of people without worrying mass. While there's some people say we're doing great. That is in part. Why some people are irresponsibly not. Doing, what we know we have to do, but here's another aspect of covid nineteen since the coronavirus lockdown in the mandated dining restaurant closures that came with it at the time takeout orders have gone up one, hundred, twenty, seven percent more takeout means more trash markups, cartons containers, and if you're just starting to dig out of your own personal landfill, grab another shovel, you just mentioned Anthony Fauci because found she suggesting off the latest CDC guidelines about risk of infections that in high. Risk areas at least it's time to close restaurants and bars if they're open yet again when you have restaurants indoors in a situation where you have a high degree of infection in the community, you're not wearing masks that's the problem, and that's the reason why we are very, very clear when we make recommendation depending upon the level of infection in the community you've got to look very carefully at things like bars are really important place of spreading of infection. There's no doubt about that. At. least we have an open those in Massachusetts join US online take on these headlines and others at the intersection of food culture and food. Policies Corby Kummer Corby is the executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute senior editor at the Atlantic senior lecture lecturer cuff Friedman, School of Nutrition Science and Policy Hello Corby Kummer Hello Jim and Marjorie. So Corby, you are a big. Cheerleader for the restaurants that have been struggling horribly during this pandemic at a lot of them. Of course, if have closed down what do you think about five cheese announcement I mean that's GonNa hurt more restaurants than we've also seen a link between people catching corona virus that many believe is linked to indoor dining. So let me pile onto the doubts being sewn about CDC results because I've just turned and I no longer trust. The CDC I'm kidding I do trust the CDC but the study they released that talked about the fact that over half the people in I can't remember how many were surveyed had been to a bar restaurant did not differentiate between bars and restaurants and bars between indoor and outdoor dining restaurants corby. But they didn't. They didn't. They didn't exactly. They didn't do any of that differentiation and therefore agree friends at big, restaurant associations I won't name had been personally called by contacts at the CDC to explain the fact that. it's not exactly no cause for alarm but until there are studies that differentiate between indoor and outdoor differentiate between especially bars and restaurants, and then of course, there's going to be the eternal problem of will diners comply and wear masks. So my Aspen Institute restaurant working group has a diner code of conduct the first step is. All diners will wear masks except when eating and in all interaction with server. So that's the most important thing you can do and then restaurants are going to have to be very careful about six feet apart tables, which is simply not going to work for a lot of restaurants that are facing the twenty five percent only rule as they are in, for example, New York starting September thirtieth. So they're going to be big problems for restaurants trying to open doors, but it's possible. There's a path forward if they follow the. Rules they insist that their diners follow the rules any diner like, uh us who sees a violation looks the number in the window because pretty much everybody is going to be posting numbers in the window from the health department. Saying if you see violation call that those get followed up as for bars, they're probably not going to reopen till. There's a vaccine is well established and that's a good year but you know something corby part of this falls on the restaurants themselves because I've gone to several restaurants and no-one said. Keep your mask on unless you're eating or drinking. no-one said that A. Problem restaurants don't feel that they're in compliance enforcement business. They can't expose their workers to risk. That is a big problem, and therefore I think there has to be the teak of local ordinances that like New York State, which now New York City has to abide by like the entire state of Illinois, which, of course, includes Chicago they insist or they mandate that every restaurant diner has to wear a mask when interacting with a server. Jim Go to alive not only set it. I've eaten outside a lot and I've think it virtually every single occasion I've had different experiences. There signs all over the place that you have to wear a mask except when you're eating respectfully and politely I've heard. Servers and others say to diners who if someone walked to the bathroom, for example, you got to. See that I see that I see people sitting at tables without masks. When you're eating, you don't Ha-. I mean under. Headlines you don't need what they're talking about is basically every time the server comes to your table you're supposed to put your mask on. And that's not happening. Back to one thing, you said, the CDC is so grossly irresponsible on so many fronts except when Dr Redfield has an epiphany every once in a while and decides to be straight the fact that they didn't distinguish between indoor and outdoor dining is so. Dangerous to the livelihoods of the hundreds of thousands of people who own restaurants in this country it's. Believable to me. So I'm really glad you. You focused on the fact that they didn't distinguish in bars and restaurants and between indoor and outdoor dining because obviously. Different worst distinction because there weren't that many places that were open for any indoor dining, the worst distinction is failing to differentiate between bars and restaurants. have been proven clusters of? Disease. Spreading. We're talking to Corby, Kummer. So what do you think about these covid surcharges that some? Restaurants including some here in Massachusetts are charging Corby Kummer. I think it's fine for a city to allow restaurant to impose a covert surcharge. It's very controversial. Bill Blasios just last week the city council. Of New York, voted that they could allow restaurants to impose an ten percent recovery charge. They were calling it of all the costs that are associated and boy those costs. Great. It's new equipment it's plexiglass it's cleaning procedures. It's the enormous toll on labor and reduced staff for this tiny. Fraction of business. You're getting compared to the rest the problem and we've even discussed on the show for two years and it's going to continue is what about distributing the pain among all the restaurant workers and one fair wage which Sarah? Jar. Jar Jar my in of previously of Restaurant Opportunities Center is leading objects to this because she says that. Diners who see this surcharge will assume it means they don't have to leave a tip and indeed they do need to leave a tip if the workers and the people who barely have any income going back to work are to make any kind of living and that surcharges indeed can go to restaurant operators to management. It's not GonNa, go to workers. And a very good friend of mine is on my restaurant working committee a chef Jackson reverence in New York City was quoted in The New York Times story as saying, I'll try three to five percent ten percent is too much. And kind of what the the last guy quoted in the Times story said, this is just a week in charge twelve dollars for a burger and looks like look like it costs ten dollars, which is always the surcharge thing. It's a way of burying your increased costs. I'm only. Go ahead go ahead. Already raised the menu prices a little bit to try to incorporate for these extra expenses but I wanna comment on one thing you hit another home run this one to the thing that concerns me most I got takeout from the restaurant the other night in Cambridge, which had a ten percent Cova charge and I have very few good qualities. One of my very few is I'm actually pretty great tipper sensitive to servers and others, and maybe because I was one Margaritas, one too I mean a lot of us were when we were younger but but I said to myself is that Part. Of the tip and or is it not and what? I think the solution is I mean some people may still be cynical not believe it is to address the issue as which is what I'm commenting on. Now there should be a little asterisk. If you have a charge saying, this will be used to offset the cost of whatever it is PP and. PLEXIGLAS and other infrastructure work in capital letters, none of it. Is going to your server because I totally by whoever you just quoted your colleague. That Jeff, some people right including people of goodwill are gonNA assume while I was going to tip even if people are doing what they should do now, which is tipped much bigger than they used to thirty forty percent I'm going to take ten percent off because they're already getting that covid fee, which they are not. So they should be clear what it's going to and what it's not. So. Corby Kummer apparently, there is a run on Tofu. I. It makes sense in some ways I think a lot of people well, I. I was so nauseated a reading all these stories about the. covid spread in meat warehouses, and the whole thing just was gruesome for the workers and gruesome for the people that I know you're not gonna Catch Kovic from eating cheeseburger, but it just was really so nauseating, it made me. Not. Eat Meat. But I, did not realize Tofu. I guess it makes sense. If you're not going to eat meat, you want some cheap protein and there you go. Well, I had an early anecdotal warning of the increased popularity of Tofu at Saturday at our local farmer's market where a fellow resident of my building in friend who is a very noted writer on the Supreme Court's who can imagine a cheerful our discussion was. Dead as we stood in line for our vegetables is there something wrong with eating the same diet every day luncheon dinner and I said, no, it's a known phenomenon that people do this. What are you haven't said it's Tofu Tofu and vegetables every lunch every dinner seven days a week and we started going into where he buys in his wife by their Tofu across the street and I thought was weird. Well, that's not weird. Everybody's buying Tofu with a sales are through the roof year over year for some of the national. Tofu Manufacturers I. See it as a way of having easy protein. Everybody feels what am I gonNA do about protein and it's so quick if you get marinated Tofu and you like the sauce, you just unwrap the package and you put it into a stir fry your attitude, your vegetables whatever you're eating. It's right there easy and cheap. It's like two or three dollars a pound compared to eight or nine dollars a pound for meat. So it's but it's surprising to me because not everybody likes it and so the sales figure quoted. In The Washington, post story about this incredible increase in uptick Tofu, it came as a surprise. Boy I didn't know what I suffered from until I read the Washington Post story and apparently I suffer from toe phobia is what they say. I wish I had come up with a term I did. This paper but but. The thing that, and maybe this is the back doorway into eating as you say, cheap cheaper and healthier. Protein. Is If you notice in the story, the Stop furthers the biggest uptick use word Corby Kummer is in Tofu. It doesn't taste like tofu meaning thing it Tofu Fried. Tofu that this. In some cases last healthy. Tofu, but I guess I shouldn't be negative about that. The notion is that's the way to easier in easier way into the TOFA world. Is that the thinking? Well if they have enough sauce on it or even Frieden about her, they can say tastes like chicken. Exactly. What. What have we been a- tastes like impossible burger because that has been `impossible burgers is soy beyond meat which I prefer uses pea protein which sudden sound. So appetizing but results in a better product I think. But impossible burger is soy. So it's just the same thing it has been masquerading soya tofu be for years It's doing it more successfully with. Much more sophisticated technological companies like impossible. So indeed, it's been masquerading, but now it's coming out on its own in a lot of Teriyaki marinades. So has the be you know what was missing from the story I'm not sure it had to be there, but it could have been there is as Tofu consumption sales and consumption go up, I would assume by definition beef. Sales and consumption go down. Are they going down? You I doubt it, and this is a substitute for chicken or beef no matter how high the increase I think Saturation last year American households that had ever had Tofu, was five percent. Now, it's gone up to sixteen or seventeen percent. I don't remember which is huge. That's not they're relying on it but I think that those figures are going to come down later and indeed impossible and beyond haven't particularly put a dent into beat sale a beef sales it's mostly been supplemental. So Corby Kummer I'm so glad you're your buddy Tom. System. That's how I say right for the Washington Post wrote this great piece because I thought this a million times getting takeout food all the time you're like to your teeth in all these. Horrible containers a lot of places switch from Styrofoam. Thank goodness but I don't know if the ones if switched tour that are actually that. Good. But so give us the update on what we're doing during the virus with. All this extra plastic polypropylene, whatever it is, and we're doing what? Tom said. Cima. Did except he stored up all of the plastic containers in two weeks of constant. He thirty orders because he's changed his job as restaurant critic to evaluating take out options. So he decided he was going to see how many bins it would feel and thirty orders filled nearly a hundred gallons of space to large recycling containers and also produced a torrent of guilt. He doesn't have many solutions, but he has a lot of good figures about eighty percent of plastic winds up in landfills and there's an increase of thirty five percent in takeout orders just in Grub hub one of the main takeout software platforms in a year thirty. Six billion disposable utensils used to year. So it's very alarming and everyone can see this on an individual level because we're all ordering out to support our local restaurants. So what are some of the solutions he's come up with? I don't ask for cutlery in fact, most places I order from don't include cut the real night. We had to ask a friend in an assisted living facility we brought takeout to we had to find some plastic cutlery but use your own cutlery, and then our hero Hosanna race's restaurant Julio in Washington gives you a a Palais P- A. A hand for PA that's metal, and there's a ten dollar extra charge at that TAT like milk bottles ten dollar deposit you will get back if you bring back the PA. Pan. But he said he liked it for ten bucks. But in any case, if there were metal containers that you could return to the restaurant or do one restaurant told him we're changing nylon bags because that's less a landfill space roses luxury a great restaurant here. But boy, it is a ton of stuff that we're all looking at I mean one thing that we doing our houses we take a lot of containers and we wash them and use them instead of. Buying more rubber rubbermaid or glass utensils which have been our goto containers but it's a problem that remains unsolved. We know impressionist. Story was I. I'm not sure if it was a frontline documentary, but it was some documentary watched the talked about the scamming in recycling that you think that anytime something's GonNa Triangle on it with a number on it that it's recyclable. When in fact, only the ones that say number one and number two are actually recyclable. So for years a lot of us have been putting a plastics that have. That have triangle on it in the recycling bin. Thinking recyclable when it's not. So there's a great deal of information and I would say really kind of scamming going on in that industry to but let's under the bright side. One of the things that we don't see are those line cardboard salad and bulk containers at least I haven't received those they've been plastic in a which seems worse except remember. The discovery that they're all these forever chemicals that made those cardboard salad and soup containers able to contain liquid without dissolving into your lap, all that salad dressing and liquid. So those are forever chemicals and that hasn't been solved because it was by January that a lot of sweet green had a sworn I'm sure it did to replace all of its containers with these forever chemicals with alternatives that did really biodegrade. But we've sort of forgotten that in the pandemic and luckily, very few of containers that are now taking have those chemicals in the Middle East our cardboard. Yeah. I should give credit our staff just told me it was Laura solving with front-line plastic wars and I'm looks great. I'm looking right now at a plastic newspaper bag and right on it it says this bag is recyclable but according to that frontline piece since Cisco number four in it it's not. But if you turn the bag over, it has somebody winking at you when it says it's recyclable. EMOJI before. Before we leave this topic. Discussed Today, which I just WANNA put in a plug for we've talked about Massachusetts restaurants united, which is the group that formed obviously in our state of independent restaurants that's been trying to raise awareness about a lot of the issues urging people to patronize restaurants. especially, your small independent ones in your neighborhood came alive they have a press conference today were urging Beacon Hill to act on a relief bill on something you and I talked about Marjorie. This bill that is for some reason dying in the state Senate ways and means committee that would cap delivery fees which we talked to corby about. Which are currently in the twenty five to thirty percent range at fifteen percent. So if people want to do a good thing in addition to patronizing their favorite local restaurants, they should Google Mass Massachusetts restaurants united today and find out what their agenda is and if you support it, you should call your legislator and ask them to do something to keep these restaurants. The legislature will do something on that right after they do something about police reform which had been sitting on roughly the same time and right after the Republicans in the Senate Coburn. Relief Bill. I want squeezes one last thing in before you leave I don't think this is surprising the increase but the the volume of the increases stunning to me food insecurity in the United States through covert has not just increased as I said it has gone through the roof It's gone through the roof and there's very little relief in store for it, and there's so much more opportunity for feeding America and all these programs and snap to need the pandemic snap to need to continue the exemptions that have allowed families with children who are in school to get lunch from school for the non enroll students while these exemptions need to continue. But I would say that every story we see about both US hunger. Remember the staggering forty percent Massachusetts families have to have experienced some form of food insecurity since the pandemic, these are staggering figures across the country and the time just did a piece of a big photo essay of the hunger around the world. So we have to support a new covert relief bill that includes a lot of food early, the number I. Think Fifty four million wasn't that the number fifty, four up to twenty, nine million but whatever it is. Tripled in the last couple of years, which is just Frightening and gone up pretty dramatically and just the six months insult twenty, nine, million was the number of people who said they sometimes are did not have enough to eat. In the I think they defined food security a little differently, but it was. Huge an estimated fifty, four, million people in the US. Will be food insecure. which represents a massive leap from thirty five million in two. Thousand. Nineteen. That's A. Fold in Greece from from two years ago and so much of it is the. Repercussions of losing jobs during covert. Corby is always pleasure. Cheering. Yeah, we try to be cheerful KORPI. Loved in the thing we discussed today the thing that who. Is Doing? The plate home for little deposit, and if you WANNA, keep it he gave you don't you return it with the next me I. think that's a brilliant idea. It's sort of climate saving and it makes sense of Washington though isn't it I? Mean there's no it doesn't mean that every restaurant here couldn't do things very Massachusetts restaurant united that your next step. Corby. Thank you very much. Corby Kummer joins us, regularly his executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute a senior editor at the Atlantic and senior lecturer at the Tufts. Freeman. School. Nutrition. Science and policy. Up. Next The long. The beleaguered Boston Business Calms Surely Young Mother of two young kids. She's had to go over the state's unemployment numbers and for an. On. Her first week of remote learning with her boys down eighty nine seven Gbh Boston. Public radio. How. Are Restaurants?
Corby Kummer On The Boycott Against Goya Foods
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Corby Kummer Corby is the executive director the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute, a senior editor, the Atlantic and is senior lecturer at the toughest treatments, school, nutrition, science, and policy or low Corby Kummer. L. O. Low. So. What do you think of this? The costs Gorby. Oh Toy away. It kinda partly, cancel culture. What I think is the Goya had been getting a lot of business i. i read a very good piece by journalists name rally. On CNN's opinion about how he wants to signify that he cares about Latin next food at the has grown up with it, but that Goya has for a long time and trying to subsume Asian Culture you know. Do you remember the main ads from the seventies? That were kind of stay? They were both lampooning the Chinese and trying to be really super friendly to Americans. WHO liked Chinese food. That's what he's accusing Goi of doing watering down and just completely deluding Latino Culture for gringos in essence, and he's saying he's tired of it, and he's GonNa live without it. Well. I mean live without it, but this could I mean he did double down one of my most favorite expressions. I should say from the last couple of years when he was asked about this on Fox News. This could have a dramatic impact on his business I. Mean From what I've been reading. These are not you know some people on the margins, these a lot of the people who said there never using the product again, including the guy who flushed down his toilet video. I love that is our people who've been using the product and their parents have been using the product for years and years and years of people are serious. This guy is going to take a hit for his quote principles. No I think is going to be a fascinating experiment in branding and the influence of social media so. Here is where the rubber meets the road as far as social media, campaigns and harassment, if indeed Goya's sales rop not just for two weeks, but for a couple of months. Market is GONNA pay a lot of attention and be a lot more careful about their messaging. My hunch and my fear is. Is just going to be a blip that no matter how powerful it looks now the business will bring back, but if it really is depressed for a long time, it could change the way. Products are marketed and also teams. Executive teams are GonNa keep a much closer laid on their big meals. We don't was surprising. He didn't seem to get this CEO and we said he's well. I did things Michelle Obama and I didn't refuse you know I'm not going to refuse the present. He didn't seem to get what the problem was. Your praise specific praise for the work. He was a little, rock? Ham handed. I thought for guy that runs such a huge company. Well, you don't mind onto that Marjorie is if I may go away. Go Away I mean that's. Sorry I love the Hashtag whether you're for the Qatar. Not Very Clever Hashtag I should say. I'm dying. Dino Corby moving on what you think about this. The Massachusetts Package store lobbying against restaurant relief the Russell restaurants. Yeah, they well to me. It looks like a total disgrace on parts of the package doors since they've. Darby's business. I'm not particularly to hear what you think I am it is. The ideas that the liquor industry and package tours are timed. Deprive restaurants of yeah. Wow, making businesses, they can possibly scrounge outlook as they're facing complete defeat closure erasure, not being able to meet their read, not being able to reopen, not being able to hire back their staff. The idea that there's this small thing. Carry out cocktails that could actually keep up the march and be popular. Be User friendly, and the packers stores are saying. The date set a dangerous precedent for years and years. You'll be robbing us of our business because you're selling a few. Cocktails it's outrageous. That's what I you know what I say to the package stores Marjorie. Goya will. Say to the packers. Disgrace Disgrace I mean it's just I don't know what you do. Do you boycott your packer store now? I don't know but I. Certainly won't let this. These people know the. The NPS whatever they are. The this is awful. They bird useful in the past the idea that we can open by wine whole foods. They tried to stop that they tried to limit the number of licenses that supermarket chains could have to open to open any kind of wine. In fact, they succeeded for example. Whole foods can only have a certain number of stores in geographic re seven Illinois. Yeah good for you, so they have been very powerful in restricting these kinds of sales in the past you, it's also talk about goal if I may is the restaurants who literally which literally hanging by a thread. We know that. The package stores were considered. Liquor stores were considered essential services. Some not saying it's an easy road for them, but they've been allowed to be open throughout this thing, but this made me think. Can we just step back from this for minute you know. I mentioned just mentioned Ed Markey a few minutes ago when we had a on corby that I. Have Jody Adams and Tony Malzahn tonight. In volved in this effort to get some legislation lifesaving legislation from both Beacon Hill, but one hundred and twenty. Great. They've been doing independent. Thing on the federal level. Is banned as things are here for even some of the best and most creative and wonderful restaurant tours. If you're in a state like California where you're allowed to open. And then after allowed to open your shuttered a second time as happened yesterday in virtually at least as it relates to indoor dining. Who can survive? I mean other than really wealthy chains who can survive what kind of independent restaurant business concer- A second closure? Nobody can and we're going to be watching that in the next month, restaurants are desperate to reopen, but they are more desperate about the possibility that once they hire backing that once they pay the money to meet the city regulations, they will lose that entire investment with closure. It is look great fear of restaurant owners, and you notice that the Florida restaurants are saying if visit we're finished. They started saying that last week and I think the California restaurants will say that as well so people like Jodi Adams and Tony Mawes and everybody who is trying desperately to save independent restaurants. The thing everyone is most concerned about is putting restaurants to the expense of plexiglas partition tables. New Furniture. New HVAC systems, all of which I am I am my aspirin program with a whole bunch of restaurant people we're exploring for new set of guidelines, known bro Reopen, but if that investment gets taken away from them in this Lucy with football. History then. They feel that they're gone for good. Yeah I. Mean just this is just horrible. It's just horrible. Also. Tell. There was a great story about the whole minimum wage tipping, and how people are hanging on by a thread there to update us on what's going on with? Tipped minimum. Wage, Car Kobe. Minimum Wage is is very complicated. Why complicated because it pays very paltry wage to workers who have the option and many of the workers preferred option of getting a lot of tips, and getting way above minimum wage in theory, the restaurants that have tipped minimum wage are required to make any difference if it's a really bad really slow week at a server has not cleared enough tips to make. Make minimum wage by law. Anybody who paid tipped minimum wage, which is a very low minimum wage is required to make up that difference at the end of the week. The problem is that's the law and the requirement, but there isn't even enforcement of it, so restaurant opportunities center, which is a very powerful and very good worker, rights, organization and other worker rights. Advocates have been trying for years to abolish. Abolish tip, minimum wage, California and at least seven other states have for years abolished it, but in various places it gets voted in by by a populous on a ballot measure, and then the state legislature or the city of Washington DC happened in Washington will reverse because powerful restaurant owners like having the tipped minimum wage option, but now in a time of desperation for restaurants, and for so little work. Work among workers the restaurant. Workers are trying to abolish this again and saying that the safety net of a guaranteed minimum wage, not the low minimum wage is the way to go for all workers it, so it's reopened alive controversy and I have no idea how in play out you know the thing I didn't understand. The piece of corby is is well virtually every restaurant tour. We know well here. Speaks about their workers in their suffering I the first thing out of their mouths but I. my sense is they may be aspirational. I hope they're not but in the story they talked about some restaurant owners who used to be in favor of the lower minimum wage because of covid nineteen now flipping their position, and are now supporting it I understand that in the abstract, because obviously the point is, you're making less of your server, because there's less business, but the restaurant is more press two. So why are some of these enlightened restaurant types the owners? Siding with their services I wish they would, but it surprises me. It surprises me, too. What has surprised me about? This? Whole? Controversy is the number of people like Jose Andrei in national hero. He was against changing the minimum wage He thought it worked out better for his workers and he didn't want it to happen, so he was in favor of having the Washington. DC popular populations. Vote reverse at in. The city council, so he went on the record as saying tip minimum wage is better for workers and better for owners, so it's it's a funny Stu people I'm always for what will protect the backs of the workers, so if they're a new owner thing. Okay, now we get it battle. Be Great. You're one last thing about this for those. Corey mentioned manigault California. And whatever numbers of small numbers states. Your hero Andrew Cuomo Marjorie. is on the wrong side of this issue got rid of the minimum wage, but exempted restaurants in hospitality, so a restaurant workers servers are still in tough spot, and when that so called grand bargain was cut here. I don't know in two thousand eighteen, or whatever on the whole variety of changes, the tip minimum wage. was raised, but not abolished I think by twenty twenty three. It goes the six seventy five, which is still it's higher, but still pathetically low. The national is two dollars and fifteen cents, which is just I mean just. Why don't you make the workers pay the federal government to work? I mean really I mean it's just but in any case, the point two states that like to think that they're leading the charge in so many progressive things Massachusetts in new. York are at least in my estimation on the wrong side of this tip, minimum wage issue because of the power of the National Restaurant Association to represent mostly the bigger businesses restaurant owners. What's confusing all of us who care so much about protecting workers is the number of people like Jose Andrei cool will support it or the Great Danny Meyer The New York restaurants who cares enormously about workers who tried abolishing and remember incorporating restaurant prices raising site. Failed he lost tremendous. Number of staff to staff preferred it. Jordan according, do our food man Corby Kummer, so, what is happening with snap? program. People know that enables. Low income people to food. What's going on with snap and Amazon Walmart? Corby fairly on believable rise so in two thousand seventeen. We probably talked about this. There were some pilot programs that would allow snap recipients food stamps to order online and There were strict requirements for it I. Think you had to have disabilities? You were unable to get out of the House the federal. Federal Government did not want to make it easy or Amazon and Walmart right now. Amazon and Walmart or completely cleaning up because during covert nineteen snap greatly loosen those restrictions. The number of households that ordered online went from thirty, five, thousand under the very limited program to seven, hundred, sixty, nine, thousand, and all Amazon and Walmart because they're the ones who are quick to take snap. And to do the online deliveries. Just I'm always someone who likes efficiency. Why doesn't the snap program to send the checks directly to Jeff? Bezos some Walmart and cut out the middle people the here. It really is. You do here how Walmart is hiring through the roof during this panic because they want to be the next. Amazon I mean they're essentially doing their online business. I think that's part of what it is, isn't it? Gordon no I was fascinated to read. The Walmart is starting. Something called Walmart Clutch for ninety dollars. Like the prime ride. That's right principal. Have Walmart Videos Jim. Won't that be nice? We could why hope if they really want to be like bazo Walmart also has to lock their workers in the warehouses, so I think they still have to go till they get you know before we leave the snap, thing, corby, you may have said this, but a second ago, but I missed one talked about us the three of us in the past discussing these pilot programs. How is it across the board now? Particularly because of Covid nineteen that that snap benefits can be spent online in all cases. Or what did you say about that? I miss as far as I know. You can order online Korean cove, Cova nineteen, but it's still. There's lots of things you can't buy with nap, so there's lots of restrictions on the kind of food. You still can't buy prepared food There's all kinds of things, and of course you can buy soda. There's no nutrition. Requirements to something might be indoors most various trying to change, so there's lots of changes that we hope will happen the snap I'm in favor of online ordering. So my so corby Kummer what's happening in Boston about a restaurant accessibility? It's great. The the city cities are really stepping up to make it easier and cheaper and faster for restaurants to offer outdoor seating. which let's be honest, is the only state dating any of us can really imagine at a restaurant right now. these are ramps so one of the things that I don't see mentioned nearly enough and national discussions about moving onto streets the. And Disabled People. What's going to happen with ramps? They're expensive, so the city is allowing licenses for restaurants to request a portable ramp for curves and their lending them. The RAMS ARE GONNA. Go back to the city to be a repurpose, and it's the mayor. Mayor, Walsh's commissioned for persons with disabilities. With support from city as far as empowered citizen. By the way it happens in in the past, this committee has been very active and powerful, and set a lot of national standards in Boston Boston his long been They've tried to imagine new kinds of equipment for the disabled. They launched a lot of good pilot program and they've stepped up to help restaurants right now. comply with the ADA so that there can be ramps, and there could be outdoor seating, but one thing I don't understand from the story and maybe I. Got The numbers wrong. I haven't read it in a while is. That the as of the data, the rating of this story in the globe, This city head issued permission for I think three hundred restaurants to expand industry, which by the way I totally love. Not only I do I love it because it gives them a better chances thing in business I love the whole field of the streets, in Boston and Cambridge or wherever where people out and. I love it. The streets are closed. Or at least partially close, but while three hundred of those approvals have been given I think the same story said only ten ramps. have been approved if that's right. There's a big disconnect right if you're in the street by definition. To be in compliance, you need to be able to get somebody down ramp or operatic. No. I don't see that is so far this week. More than ten restaurants have requested and received ramps because it was a new initiative. Okay, they've just made the portable request form which the Boston Globe story linked to the needs will be assessed, so not every restaurant as I were call. It has a curb step up, so it depends on the height of your sidewalk and going down, if the person coming into your outdoor seating restaurant would. Would have to face the level change, so it depends on where you are whether you need to ramp or not. You know before you go. You mentioned a minute ago that when you're talking about outdoor dining, you say the thing that most people the only thing. The most people are willing to motoring takeout as often as I can, both because I'm hoping to hit four hundred pounds by Labor Day and I'm on well on my way I'd. Goals I'm trying to be as supportive as possible of a lot of wonderful people in their businesses, but our people you know, are people eating inside, or is this a failed experiment so far in masters you know. I don't know what the Massachusetts statistics are. I know that anecdotally the very few friends I know who have gone in, and they're mostly professionals who are trying to assess what this is going to be like are almost alone on the streets of Washington. DC We're seeing which is just two weeks ago, one in gone into its third phase of allowing limited. Indoor skating. We do see some people indoors, but anecdotally it's almost nobody and given what we're constantly reading about airborne transmission and ventilation pattern. It's an unsolved problem and the it's an unsolved question. How much risk you're in, and of course whenever we talk about the think about all of the desert budge worth more dangerous, and you're there for a longer. Corby Kummer thanks good detailing. And cheerful note put a damper on people eating. Yeah. I won't mention. You can't outside tonight because it's raining. Well? To go it rains and then it stops. You know what I mean yeah. Okay okay. Thanks to food writer Corby Kummer. He's our food policy and food culture man. He's executive director of the Food and society policy. Program at the Aspen Institute a senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at Tufts, Friedman School Nutrition Science and policy. Thanks again to Corby Kummer coming up C. N.. N.'s John King going to ask John. King by President Trump is blaming. 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Corby Kummer: Prisoners Organize Memorial Tribute Lunch For George Floyd
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Are America's food franchises like McDonalds starbucks unmasking the failed leadership of our government by mandating a mask only policy or these businesses setting a national public health guideline that are house failed to join us along talk about this and other headlines about food policy food culture is food writer Corby Kummer Corby is the executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at the Friedman, school of Nutrition Science and policy a little Corby Kummer. Are It's not Amerson its neck. Unite and realize that about all of the stuff that was great. I'd forgotten So Corby, we'll get back to the basques in a moment but first There's this notion that has developed over the decades of the the sexy chef who's in the kitchen. He's screaming orders and yelling at everybody because he's a mad genius, he can get away with it because the restaurant is his birth it's his vision I say he because that's how it was born and how has long existed. But. There's a piece that was recently in the New York Times. It makes you realize that this this is an image it really had to be kind of fabricated, and now it sounds like it's going to be undone to some degree. This is such an optimistic moment for ending a lot of bad behavior so whether it meant sexism toward women started with me to, and and of course, applied to chefs in a big way and we saw the downfall of many chefs because of the way they treated women. Now we hope and this is what it's got to last. It will be about racial inequality. And meeting people, Color second-class citizens or servants, or just not to be considered and here was a by tale row who is a terrific Los Angeles based or California base writer for the New York Times and used to write from me at the Atlantic nine privatised day saying, okay guys. It's just I'm to be over that even even the sainted Anthony Bourdain. Had that same chef stereotype minder masculine drugged up behavior which he wrote about in kitchen confidential and then became a complete champion of multicultural people without any money the wonderful cultural heritage they put it through food but that's not how we started and she thinks that age is over and I say that say it's optimistic. But is it really because for example when I did a cover story? For Boston magazine when there was such low unemployment by restaurants couldn't in Boston could not find people to work mostly because the T. close to early and living expenses were much too high in the city of Boston. There was a drumbeat of a lot of the owners I've talked to saying the days when chef could just abuse or around and like horse around in a terrible way of like. Leaving hot pans out so that the young would grab handles not knowing terrible hazing, right that's over but it didn't end and so I just hope that with this terrible decimating moment for restaurants right now, there will be much more humanity inequality in kitchens. When they come back I don't know. Can I say one thing about this based on personal experience in none of the breadth of experience of about you I hope this doesn't offend jared because he may feel differently. In this town in my view restaurant owners and chefs are the celebrities they really are. Can you live with that? Jared because I know you operate in a different part of the Arts World I. Think they are, and in light of the fact he silent, which means he doesn't agree so I think part of it. Okay. So in light of the fact that they're at least part of the celebrity class here, you would think that they would have this imperial thing around. I was thinking I was reading this article Corby these are as egalitarian and worker focused a bunch of people and I know there are some exceptions obviously I'm talking about as a general rule is any set of chef, restaurant owners that I've ever heard of is that is that a fair statement? I don't WanNa be a romantic with misty is from the moment I began as a young young child covering Boston restaurants. It was known throughout the country as being very friendly to women and one of the few cities where women like Lydia, Shire and then jody Adams and Michaela Larson or very respected. Influential owners and shifts. So Boston has long been the exception. Now we have two in Chiang phase on I mean the whole bunch of the next generation I. Agree. Karen a KUNA wits Yup. So these are you know fantastic local celebrities or Oh my goodness, the May women, Irene Lynch and her emmy and leave family. Yeah. LE-. Fantastic. Or these are not only local leaders. Their national leaders does that mean that there were not badly behaved men at the same time doesn't mean that but it doesn't mean that Boston has always been better about women for sure was romantic but it was true. Thank you Corby Kummer in Korea before you move off this, I use that term very deliberately a at. The onset fabricated it's in terms of who these figures were because it seemed like that was how it was shaped in the culture that this is how you're going to get ahead. If you had this kind of personality if you acted in a certain way, it would be how you found your success with the restaurant. Is that fair to say was it comes that way? It is fair to say and it's based on the French system of going to work as an apprentice when you're fourteen and essentially be able to skip the rest of high school because you're going through a vocational job training program. and those chefs were very abusive. I mean they they were sort of like a lot of abusive husbands and that they would have. Wins have been nurturing but you know read the memoirs of any chef who is trained in Europe that world has not changed. It's still very male dominated and there's lots of hazing rituals and you were expected to earn your stripes. You're supposed to be abused as bootcamp. It lasts a long time. So I don't think that image fabricated I. Think it is what a lot of chefs have been trained if. So Corby speaking of Romance. It's hard to be romantic about a prison setting, but I have to say I thought this story about this prison feast in quotes or special meal. To, celebrate the life and importance of George Floyd was an incredibly beautiful story out of Michigan prison can't tell it. I couldn't agree more. This is the news story of the week if not the month it is so beautifully reported. So inspiring and sad that I dare you not cry when you read it. had to fight back tears at least twice while reading it. What is the story? It is somebody who is in a fistfight that ended in a murder when he was in his teens is now in his sixties and has been in jail the whole time at the Muskegon Correctional Facility and Michigan. And decided as a tribute and memorial and sign of Solidarity George Floyd. He would gather together other prisoners who have the liberty that he did to you plastic knives and food bought in with money donated from the outside and microwave ovens. So they had the ability to lay in the supplies for some of their favorite foods. They were going to have a memorial tribute lunch that came off and it led was fifty fellow inmate. It lead with eight and a half minutes of silence but the weeks of meticulous planning and this article in the counter which used to be the new food economy, the food website about news. So beautifully done, it reproduces all of the handwritten recipe notes by. Exactly, the ingredients they had to assemble how they were going to be able to do the different steps in the microwave, which was only cooking tool available to them that dozens of plastic knives they went through trying to cut if the bagels because it was a very loaded sandwich with grated cheese and Cheetos that were crumbled on top of it, and then one of the many heartbreaking moments. The luxury that many of these at these prison residents had not had for years, which was a cold soda. Cold Pop. For some reason, they could never get chills and it was mountain dew and many of them had tasted it in years and when you read about how much food meant to them that they shared it that they have the eight and a half minutes of silence before him. You know you're wrecked the end of it but it's a beautiful story in give people a sense if you don't understand how the economics work in prison system and you're only making about eighteen dollars a month as an inmate, your Labor, why? Even even a Coca Cola. Even a mountain dew is really really expensive to you and why this ultimately was such a rich meal for what they were able to to do. Well first of all, they were gathered you can generally have like one of these foods you can afford it. A certain amount I think is available within the prison from vending machines to buy as an alternative to what they call the inedible terrible food of the food of the diets they get. Was the ringleader named Thompson is sixty nine and has diabetes. So you know he's really in trouble if the prison isn't thinking in terms of his health but I don't know the mechanics of how a woman who had been supporting this guys writes to try to have his case heard and get out to California based activist named Dd Kirkwood who lobbied for clemency for this guy footed the bill for sausage rice soup Chili onions, peppers, cheese bagels. Chip. Pans Soda Pop two feet, Fifty I. Don't know what the mechanism of her getting a check and then who by the Food and how it gets delivered but it happened I do know that. The options available like Bagels like soda are depending on the prison. They're they're they're in vending machines, but it's extremely expensive given how little money you make in a month as at a prison before we move on, you said both beautiful and sad and I couldn't agree with both characterizations I. Don't know if you mentioned the other guy involved in this Thomson, you just mentioned who sixty nine years old. He's twenty five years in a forty sixty year sentence for what selling marijuana, which is now legal in Michigan I mean talk about. Injustice twenty five years of his life with fifteen to thirty five more for selling something that is now legal in the state in which he is imprisoned just have to, and there's lots and lots of quotes because many of the most the prisoners wrote reflections, a lot of which are reproducing their handwriting. But one of which is quoted in the main text of the story is a guy who says it's doing out of be males who want to help others. Everywhere we go. We should be able to make a change and the food was very tasty. Talking to Corby Kummer we promised we would return to the masks and it sounds like. Anthony. FAUCI. Ever steps down that Ronald McDonald who can step in is that where we're headed corey comer? We're completely headed this way that is companies like Wal Mart and starbucks are instituting mask only policies. Where they are helped by local municipalities, it is hugely persuasive to them when they're trying to talk to their customers to say this historic policy, it's very reinforcing to be able to see and it's local city policy state policy as well. But even wear it is not starbucks mandating maths and all of its stores McDonalds evidently began on August one though the announced it in July these companies are we're relying on them to take leadership when the fats do not So. Sorry is very good. I was a little taken aback by the chipotle way dialogue. So this is a piece in eater that quote staff memos from chipotle leadership, which announced its policy on July twenty four. Then you approach the guest with an attitude of gratitude make sure you don't touch the phone if you're telling them about ordering options. That's all great. But then it also says if they won't wear a mask, don't refuse service. If the guest doesn't mention a medical reason, doesn't have a mask or refuses to wear a mask, find another way to help them which was like not helpful I thought I think that these chains have to give their employees licensed to say we won't serve you if you won't work up because see Corby I'll tell you that's one place I part ways you I'm. into the mandate thing too. But asking a, you know if they're lucky a fifteen dollar, an hour employees to be the enforcer when so many mask free people are. So out of control and they're stopping exactly the A.. So I I'm with you until that point I will it should be the government's mandate, but it is. But if a company is going to do it, then they've got to have people there other than line workers who are going to enforce. It's just too dangerous and it's too much to ask for somebody and particularly you who are about as sensitive to you know low. Wage workers in the food industry, they shouldn't be the enforcers, right I. Completely agree and it's why I was. So startled by I understood it a big full page picture in the Times of Applebee's mill employees who walks around with tub full of detergent and Sanitizer, and they're hiring the new guy with a cheerful uniform on who's going where I with pay per child and and sanitizers sprays. It's a waste of money. That's not how you stop transmission if masks and that Fowler would be so much better spent on hiring somebody from a security company. Exactly be really polite but make sure these people you the enforcer and go around and tell them. They have to ask you know corporate have several minutes left but you you. Brought attention to a story we talked a lot about schools today we talk college yesterday Margin Tournament K. through twelve. There's another beautiful and painful story. From. A Superintendent in Arizona could you tell that story to please? After credit. My spouse who's in health during this riot tenth grade. Day Arizona Superintendent who says he's unbelievably well-spoken and modest and fantastic. He's a school superintendent. He says, this is the definition of middle of Nowhere Arizona Ninety percent. Hispanic. Ninety percent free reduced lunch. This is your one horse town he and his wife who is a teacher in grammar school they're sent four, they're four kids or these schools he's trying to buy plexiglass barriers it hasn't come in yet they haven't come in yet. So they're cutting up shower curtains they're desperately trying to figure out. How they? Let. Parents off the hook from this incredible burden they have knowing as everybody who works at the school does that these kids are as he said out in the Wilderness, they would be better off in school. None of US disagreed at the same time teachers are terrified. There's no national leadership. He hopes that John Wayne imaging of the beginning we'll ride in a horse and say, you don't have to start school but instead he is being told by the states open on the seventeenth next week and his parents teachers terrified one of his most inventive incredibly engaged teachers who had been teaching since nineteen eighty two Mrs Birds. Have, already, right after the lockdown delivered seeds, seed packets to keep kids engaged in, have a school project to do to plant the seeds in their own yard wonderful stuff that she was doing and the other teachers were doing she got covert and after several weeks or brother died of it and she died. And the rest of the teachers are absolutely terrified. Elementary. School teachers says my kids when they come in they hug me when they leave they hug me. What can I do about that? They're all incredibly terrified. He doesn't know like one of one of his teachers tested positive. Reading. I'm reading CDC guidance. I'm not the expert here. I'm trying to figure out for myself whereas the national. Leadership You it's funny. I was thinking that this was so well written and then I remembered it wasn't written. This is his oral history and it's just streaming from the heart. You feel it especially when he confesses at the very beginning that he's not qualified for this man who's been superintendent did in Superintendent for twenty years well, it's like. Remember the thing speaking of not qualified we only have thirty seconds Rob Anderson who owns one of my favorite places the canteen province sound remember that great facebook post and then did you write a piece in the Atlanta was that the Atlantic to where did piece? In the Atlantic right. Right and saying the same thing, what is it open with them? Not An epidemiologist I own a restaurant and that's the dilemma that all these thoughtful kind and I'm not a law enforcement guy about the lady who refused to even move to Kim social distancing who's GonNa do the enforcing Corby, great to talk to. Thanks so much be well. Thanks so much Kobe Corby Huby. Or QB. Food Writer Corby, Kummer joins US every week. He's executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute a senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at the Tufts Friedman School of Nutrition Science and policy. Coming up emily. Rooney is here with her famous list of assertions and aggravations keep your dial on eighty nine. Seven. W. G.. B. H. Austin public radio. More. SMART LOCAL CONVERSATION
Corby Kummer: To Dine Indoors, Or Not To Dine Indoors?
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So listen i a self-confessed bad as jim knows well so i don't take any offensive at all. I think i have a kindred spirit in the my fellow dingus. they're beautifully designed to type ornaments marjorie. Oh is that right. I just thought like scatter brained people who lose everything all the time. But in any case. Corby kummer i did not realize until i read this piece in the atlantic speaking of the atlantic that the problem with eating inside restaurants is mucus and spit. Is that but the deal so getting fresh air is and being far enough away from other diners and making sure that there's no spin mucus Where we're gonna repeat those words to every ten seconds. That's enough okay. Thank you will be coming your way. Thanks to good improve ventilation and constant use of mask wearing which the diner code of conduct. We're releasing it. Looks like next week with james beard foundation. Restaurant association requires masks on at all times including just every time. You're not eating food but no indoor dining is problematic and it needs spacing and ventilation and constant mask wearing. What is your aspen thing. Say about indoor dining as a behavior to begin with not just how you should act. If you're doing it should it be available. Should only be available if the transmission rates in a certain community are low enough that the health authorities deem it safe and they decide. Should it be twenty five percent fifty percent or as it's going to happen most of the country in the next few weeks zero percent so it's got to be up to the community. I because it's all question of context. It's how much is going around where you are before you start taking any risks. You know it's one of these things i it. There's a story. we also read his about. How not that. We read it about how motionlessly drained restaurateurs are massachusetts focus story talking a bunch owners chefs here. It's it's quite obvious in this piece. And even if you haven't read this piece that i hate to be johnny one note or janey one note in the case of marjorie government was honoring its obligation to its people including small business owners. The anxiety level wouldn't be what it was in terms of your ability to stay afloat. Keep your employees employed and afloat. But it seems to me when you're sitting there knowing that government is not coming to your aid when the rules are changing sometimes understandably quite regularly like for example. The last meal served in massachusetts has got to be nine thirty as a week or so ago. I don't know how these people and it's not just restaurant tours but we're talking gorby how they are surviving both financially and emotionally this harsh o of the last eight months and probably three or four more. At least you know it's really nuts that the government would help bailout airlines and big businesses that as as many restaurateurs because i'm from my alumni magazine. I'm doing a piece about where restaurants to land where they going. And so i i spoke with nia. Grace your frequent guests there. We've had her daryl corner bark kitchen who you know was saying what is the government doing helping other businesses and not the small businesses that employ so many people account for five percent of the gdp. She like other guests. You've had recently and all of her. She's helped start as you know the boston black hospitality coalition and they're all looking for different sources of government assistance. That should not be so hard to find for small business owners It should not be just the big businesses that of cotton this if Now a pomeranian tom. Coleco and the other high profile chefs get the restaurants act more seriously considered in a legislature after the new administration takes Office then there can be the kind of Rent relief and employment relief that these business owners need so that they don't have to take risks for themselves and their staff but right now with these constant closures looming and communities that are taking responsibility for measuring. what's transmission. Is it safe to have any kind of indoor dining. No restaurants are left with Groceries takeout meal kits Video lessons of that used their meal. Kits cooking lessons all the kind of ingenious ways That certainly local boston. Businesses have have taken to keep themselves afloat. But i completely agree with you the state house in massachusetts and the capital For the restaurants act need to be specifically targeting small business owners and food business owners. You know once again i. My level of rage at beacon hill is just is just steeping over. They can't do anything on police reform. They're holding meetings secret so we don't know what people are thinking about that. They can't do anything about the restaurant plight front-page the globe. This isn't the this isn't the legislature but we're still struggling to get tests all around here. It just seems that there's an odd divergences. Yes i think that you know i. I won't comment on massachusetts. But i will comment on the lack of federal response to lack of federal urgency and the utter disorganisation that has maybe filtered down to states which have largely been left to their own devices by completely irresponsible administration. And it's very hard for administrations to know how to act and how to get their own ducks in a row or decide a priority order for a huge battle with many fronts. We'll save for the four hundred time we've said it usually when you're here but also when you're not here is if you wanna make sure at the end of this pandemic now that we see an end at least in a distant site that your favorite local restaurants and small businesses are still there. He got to patronize them. Now and they really need ya. Not just to go back. Everything reopened the problem without his jim that so many people are not in a position to patronize them. Because they're worried about holding onto their jobs or losing their Of course i'm talking to those. Who can marjorie. Solid is still. Do get a paycheck and the reality is it's time to pay back a little bit and your local small businesses that everybody on our show all the time raves about how important they are in their lives. They're barely surviving. And so if you have it sent it. But i think the biggest thing is you always remind me. Is the government's gonna step in here. I can't it's not. It's just not enough but in any case. So meanwhile corby kummer man every night on television. We see these horrible pictures of people in these enlist food lines because they don't have enough money to get food anymore and this new report out of the counter dot org. Which really does a great reporting job by the way. says that Our our so-called consolidated super-efficient food system has wasted a staggering. Amount of meat. Wasted it while we're looking at these people without any meat or anything else to feed their families so What happened here blue. I hope it is taken the tragedy of the pandemic to focus public attention on the cruel inhumane practices in slaughterhouses. The country that have resulted in hundreds of unnecessary deaths thousands of unnecessary covert infections because workers are forced to be stationary shoulder to shoulder with other workers in repetitive motion. Injury inducing work all day long and you know there was a sickening story. Not part of this terrific report in the counter dot org. That was talking about one of the. I think smithfield plants where the managers were taking bets. There was a betting on how many infections they would be among the staff. This kind of this kind of nazi level cruelty that the absentee owners including one of the jbs chicken poultry plant processing in maryland. Who's a big trump supporter the kind of indifference from the top which we've been seeing throughout this pandemic that has wrecked the lives of so many slaughterhouse employees but let's get back to the counters report. Which was that all of this. The the closings for example of the enormous tyson food Park processing plant. That was five percent of the country's using supply. What it does is it strands thousands or hundreds of big scale pork farmers. Because they don't have anybody not only to buy their product but to slaughter the pigs that are ready for market and so they slaughter of themselves and this is part of this big vertical chain that has enormous consolidation of pork farmers. That only have one or two clients that They enter into contractual arrangements. With if anything goes wrong with that supply chain there's terrible disruption and in this case mass slaughter of animals which takes a terrible toll on everybody not only necessarily killing animals that you were raising the we slaughtered for meat. But the psychological toll on farmers have to euthanize thousands of on their own property and dispose of the bodies. It's horrible and it's a huge waste and at the beginning of the pandemic about april Michael pollen wrote a brilliant piece about the to supply chains in the country. Which have been part of this consolidation for this kind of industrial park production. We've been talking about and for retail chain and that when colleges and huge government institutions stopped buying. Let's say millions of eggs literally. Millions of eggs were just dumped because the poultry farmers had geared themselves up all their operations for these big wholesale customers and big holding stainless steel tanks of liquefied eggs. They don't have any packaging facilities for boxes and cartons that they would then just sell to retailers so consolidation was all in the name of lower prices and efficiency and it's a resulted in these terrible screw ups in appalling waste by the way if people want to Find out what's being done to help. Smaller family farmers go to farm. Aid dot org. A wonderful organization actually is locally based even though it's national and check it out one last thing about this. You may not know the answer. When i was reading the story about how Vulnerable the food system is because of the uber. Concentration of. I read that the chief legislative champion of the good guys is cory booker from newark. New jersey i. I don't i don't think of of someone who was a mayor of newark now. United states senator is being a champion of diversifying the world of agriculture. What's booker's connection that you call this out. Because he with several cosponsors a few months ago in response to this Sponsor to build to help defend labor in slaughterhouse a plant and he's actually crediting somebody. I don't know named Maxwell who's been a a nonprofit champion of farm rights but You know there are several people we don't think of and i was just mentioning congresswoman shelley. Pingree from maine this morning. She's been such an art rosa to loro of connecticut. These people who have been anti hunger fighters our own. Jim mcgovern Shelly pingree who has defended farmers and the rights of small farmers cory booker. Who has been really vocal on food labor and the terrible practices in slaughterhouses as well as a large co farms. In florida and california. So it's about workers it's about worker rights for these people have been completely consistent in their defense of labor and and farms. And i hope that in the next administration their voices are louder and and obeyed more so so corby comma this next door and i have talked about this before with you and just by ourselves that that i think. Many tax payers don't realize that their tax dollars are being used to subsidize walmart and mcdonalds and amazon and target and dollar tree and dollar general and burger king taco bell just list of hugh listed in this story because those big huge companies pay so little to their workers that their workers qualify for food. Stamps and medicaid. Yes it is amazon. It's mcdonald's it's walmart its companies. You know that mostly work on Short enough schedules. They're able to juggle their employees hours so that they are not obligated to pay health insurance and this leaves workers incredibly vulnerable incredibly unprotected and big big users of snap. This has been going on for years. I'm looking at the list though. Top thirteen dollar tree burger king the us postal service uber uber which notorious for its gig economy practices home depot. You know what's depressing. Public supermarkets along with walmart places that sell food and their but mcdonald's and walmart and publix at waffle house at kroger. These are all food retailers. That are the And wendy's right up there. That are the biggest offenders. I don't see any solutions being called to this You know it's raising do wage which raise the minimum wage. It's on hasn't done. Its i mean your corby is essence of by the way before i respond outrages whole thing. One of our co says booker's involvement has also because he's a vegan and his last non vegan meals. Cory booker was twenty fourteen booker's passion for animal advocacy began in ninety two after reading. Ghandi's story of my experiments with truth when he was a college kid. So that answers that. But i'm gonna get back to this this mcdonald's target walmart. Whatever amazon thing. The sickness of this is. These are the company's lead the charge against raising the minimum wage and because they succeed and in some cases rebel to pay the people as little as seven dollars and twenty five cents an hour which is the federal minimum wage in the story. They bragged that in some cases fifty percent more than minimum than the minimum wage which is ten dollars an hour which is still on unlivable. Because they don't wanna pay their employees. They're basically saying the three of us and our audience should pay their employees. Somebody's gotta give them health insurance someone's got to give them money for food. We the employer will not take it out of our prophets. We will take it out of your pocket book american tax payer the fact that people are not apoplectic about this is unbelievable basis us richest guy in the world isn't he right and The the what. What's the walmart family. What's what's her name wall. What's sam walton. Or something right. They're not exactly slackers. I should say But this is an. It's like the ultimate bayton switch outrage and by the way and then so many people say you're there right about not raising the minimum wage. It's gonna kill jobs at the same time that their taxes are higher because the walmarts and the targets. The amazons and the mcdonald's are stealing from us this is just. This is mother jones by the way people should check this out. I'm with marjorie totally enraging. There's so much enraging about the american diet and the rotten food that's pumped into people cheap and the healthcare costs that americans pay for diabetes and other food related crowding completely bankrupt the health system. If people aren't logical about this and your behavioral economists that you have on often. I'm sure have much area explanations for this irrationality. Well listen to this. Absolutely fascinating story about george washington's chief chef This guy hercules posey Who was one of washington's many slaves pretty cooked dinners for him for years. Tell us about him so Hercules posey was one of two presidential chefs at the end of the eighteenth and beginning of the nineteenth century. Who were influenced by french training. The other was literally Trained in france. That was jefferson's. James a hemmings and they put out gorgeous spreads in the white house and george washington was rich enough to free freeze. Fifty slaves died. Thomas jefferson was profligate in debt. And he did not free hundreds of slaves when they died. But what they what these presidents did to keep the cooks in slaved while they worked for them washington for example when he was in philadelphia which was Not a slave state would ship hercules. Posey off to new jersey for like a day to reset the clock. I think three months any time you had to be in a non slavery state for three months before you could claim your freedom so the the details that we're in a very nice Expert for there's a historian named rahman ghana shrimp that the washington post excerpted. But when you read. The small details like pusey was the name of his original owner. Who got himself into gambling debt and so his neighbor george washington bottom just these tiny details of this incredible skill labor that was exploited so that outrage over a hercules posey also occupied a respected position in the washington white house so that washington didn't care much about food but cared a lot about putting out a good table would say when guests were late and they just started. I do not ask. my cook. Never asks whether the company has arrived but whether the hour has come you know. I think that we all as as Whenever we get to invite people over to our houses again we can say well. I scheduled the meal for eight o'clock. And you weren't here. Sorry so there was lots of respect and credible extravagance in the Spreads that hercules posey laid out but the essential labor treatment and then martha washington when asked after she was widowed and she was rich if she wanted if she wanted him apprehended because even though he according to this article had three routes to claiming freedom from the places he lived on the lengthy lived in them Somebody you know villainous. The new york mayor offer to apprehend a posey mrs washington and she said oh. I found a white cuckoo answers just as well so this kind of indifferences is revolting. Did you find it odd in the story that they mention as you did. Jefferson's lead chef. James hemmings mentioned just going to say. I looked it up after rented it was. He was her siblings. Would you not think they'd mentioned in the story that thinks. Oh sally and james were siblings. I thought so funny because everyone who's been to monticello which was one of the pioneers among all plantations in having slavery tours dedicating enormous amounts of every tour. Anybody who steps on to the property monticello Knows about the enslaved labor there and certainly knows very. Well that the this ah happenings links so before you leave Corby we're always thrilled to have you. You're a big deal in the food. World rick steves. Today i mean nobody bigger than the travel world. David byrne one of the most accomplished performers ever but tamara. I think will be topping all three of you respect. Who do we have on tomorrow. Marjorie that bible lady mrs butterball so we thought we are. Not only encouraging. I don't know why you're laughing. We are not only encouraging listeners. The send in questions that they would like us to ask mrs butterball on the by the way we spoke to mrs butterball once misrepresenting balls where we're talking to be misses the mrs yard tomorrow butterball do you your food expert. We know but are there any questions. You'd like us the pass along to mrs butterball least our mrs butterball tomorrow corby or no. They have to be reassuring questions. Like what if. I didn't thaw my turkey a week ago as the butterball website. Says everybody will give me a safe alternative. That could be partial Microwave what will not kill my family. If i haven't done everything you said i was supposed to. You know by the way. I was also we spoke to a misnomer butterball like fifteen years ago. We're making jokes. She is incredibly kind and generous and a newer stuff and did she not tell us that there was something like a thousand mrs butter balls on the phones. Somewhere around thanksgiving thanksgiving day. Jim meltdown in a panic. And they have to call the whatever. The number is eight hundred. Mrs butterball number two to get them through the day which a lot of us can understand thanking her for her service. I will remind listeners. That julia child listed her phone number and would answer. That's not true. The day before thanksgiving and give is true answering panicked questions of panicked cooks by the way giving for people can't wait till tomorrow the question you asked what if you. What do you do if you forgot to defrost thing your turkey a week in advance mrs butterball. I just looked it up. Says you should. you should just lick it frozen. So that's the that's the i guess the only waiting for her dr manship. That'd be good idea with covid virus. We all look the turkey together. Hey corby when you talk to you next week or you're going to have this you're aspen project and its next phase. I'm dying to hear what you're doing. If i get all the quotes for the press release thanks for asking great. We're looking for to corby. Happy thanksgiving calling. Thanks corby who read a corby coverage every week. He's the executive director of the food and safety policy program at the aspen institute. A senior editor at the atlantic and a senior lecturer at the tops friedman school of nutrition science and policy thanksgiving to corby coming up traveled grew. Rick steves. he gives thanksgiving dinner the european touch and he's got so many great stories. He is next on eighty nine seventy boston public radio ring in the.
Corby Kummer: Trader Joe's 'Finally' Says 'No' To Racist Labeling
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Low from an actual Radio Studio Oh. Lottie di really fancy. Very fancy well, explain what Trejos is kind of botched that Corby explained better than I did. What trader Joe's is in trouble for traderjoes is finally saying no to. Racist branding that perpetuates the worst kind of G. They have funny. slanty is stereotyping trader Maine's Turner Jose Traderjoes at the beginning of trader Joe's. Their whole Whimsey of their branding the graphics. The palm leaves. The exoticism was fine. It was part of who they were, but it has ceased to be amusing for a long time. Tie Joe Trader Jose Trader. Joe's Psalm and it's the same trend as quaker oats, saying no finally to Aunt Jemima or Mars saying no, not every uncle. Ben's not every. Older Black Man would like to be pictured a white jacket. Serving White People so they were saying no for a long time. It's a seventeen year old named BRIANNA 's Bedell. Who started a petition that finally Gotham to back out and say this is not appropriate. This is one of those instances where. I felt like. This the statue that's the monument is be. Such an issue in Park Square here in Boston where I pass by a recently having passed by it so many times suddenly looked up and saw it really for the first time I thought. How is this even able to still be out in the world? And I had that same experience in trader Joe's the last time I was there about four or five months ago. Thinking, wow, how does this branding still exist? And then I was really surprised to learn that they actually have been addressing this for a while, but why on earth does it take them two or three years? It seems in this case to to to to. Execute this new branding. It's finally because the moment. The political moment has changed and I think that some. Defenders would say other knuckling under the current political moment. They should've taken this initiative along time and understood. There's plenty of ways of selling food that you want. Your customers to think is authentic, Thai or really good Latino, food or really good Chinese food, but you. You don't half to perpetuate old. Creepy stereotypes emphasized that they are not us in order to to do the selling. We're talking to core become our food guy. You know I'm really upset I. I shouldn't be that upset because there's so much tragic going on now, but. I really do miss the takeout. Salad bars in the places. Where could get takeout food? Cell bars I mean. Are they going to survive after this disaster is over? Corby? Kummer I. Don't know if they're gonNA survive, but starting in the eighties. It was very interesting this piece in Bloomberg that show the history of it, which was that in the seventies steakhouses? Other places started the come ons. You know here you have all. You can eat salad bars in our. They were kind of DOS leaders, but remember the customization remember how exciting it was to load up on Croutons. Terrible dressing. Canned. Black Olives you know everything that you wanted you could customize yourself. And supermarkets glommed onto this, and it became a big profit driver. I think it's always been a way of using up old produce that they couldn't sell anymore because it didn't look great so in. Good Marketing. Gimmick and you could charge a very high margin per pound and also give customers the idea. They're getting just what they want, and a lot of it or only a little of it if that's the way they want it. But. Of course they have gone the way of the pandemic. They are considered to be very unsanitary so now markets are finding new ways of repurposing this space, because square footage is everything in markets, Mar, supermarkets run very low profit margins. What they have to demonstrate is sales per square foot, and if you think about it, these big hunks of metal that are the salad bar stations. They invested in a long time ago. Need to go to some kind of us so so far. Supermarkets are bagging salads. and. They're putting it. They're they're putting them in those refrigerated hunks of metal in the middle of the stores, and they're saying you know this is your salmon. This is your chicken and fruits. This is. Whatever you, this is your Caesar. Whatever you use to want before so that is some of the sales, and it's midday lulls the big times. They need those salad bars, but whether that's going to survive or not. There's a big robot named selley to look at this big robot. It's called Chow. Child Botox, and it's a for Bay area startups and. Pepper Pike Ohio location of Hainan supermarkets is going to try out sally. What it is a thirty five thousand dollar vending machine where you plug in all the things that you want either into your handheld software on your device or right into the machine, and you pick everything not only. Is it a way of having a machine? Dispense this for you. When salad bars are unsanitary, you're getting too close, but it's a way of competing with sweet green and the other places that are eating into the business of supermarkets. This is a really inopportune time. It seems for a pandemic in this regard because of the popularity of sweet Greens and chopped in solid works in these other chains that have sprung up as people feel healthier or try to be healthier by going to these chains instead but I don't know how I feel about my cherry tomatoes bouncing down some metal shooting dispense Thais, sally the robot. Why would you feel bad about it? If you're worried about some kind of sanitation, what I would feel better about the idea that some supermarkets say they're going to use that space, for which is to have a human being right behind a sanitary plexiglass bar. Take your order just as if there's a mini sweet Greens rival inside the supermarket, so a human being will do it, and you won't be in touch with it, and you'll be giving somebody work, which is the idea I like about it? Instead of taking jobs away via robots, because the sweets sweet green I. It is going to add that little permits on the for. Is Not going to take your take your order. Okay, so Corby Kummer I would be remiss on our Jim Bradey. WHO's usually here? But he's got the day off. I did not ask about the future of hot bars. We all know Jimmy spent half his life sitting next the hot bar whole foods. It's gone now. Some places it's replaced with other things I've seen. I've seen it one down the Cape, at the whole Kwok guacamole and saucer and tortilla chips, and all the hot bart looks so weird, but are they done for two? They're not necessarily done for I. Think the way of reviving them is with these human beings that are going to be behind and saying Jim it's so good to see you. Why haven't you been overloading on wings lately? what yeah I get you so i. I think it's going to go back to that. What I didn't see in this article was in my Aspen. Institute Food Policy Program I this whole set of kitchen worker guidelines, and now we're working on restaurant server guidelines how to keep servers and diners, but especially servers safe and one of the things that one of our hotel members has been saying is that they've installed the mother of all? Sneeze bars these guards. In their Asian hotels, and he distributed diagrams of this, and so it's everything encased in Plexiglas, I haven't seen where the hands go in, but I'm surprised at supermarkets aren't just investing in more plexiglas, and somehow giving Jim, his way of using utensils that are only one time you somehow going in i. don't know whether it's some hole in the plexiglas that allows your gloved hand to go in, but I think there's going to be more innovation on the hot bar front, so that Jim can have his way. Well. That's very reassuring. So, Corby let's check. Danny Meyer's people who don't necessarily know the name. He's a Rockstar in the restaurant world. He's an innovator. He's ahead. He's had great restaurants. He's also the guy who's been behind no more tipping, because it'll be folded into your bill but not so much during these times. What? Why is he rethinking his procedures? Because, he's able to hire back only a couple of two thousand people. He laid off immediately upon closing his restaurants This was a very criticized move in the restaurant industry. He did it so that they could immediately apply for unemployment and not wonder. and get and get their applications in early But now he's able to hire back a small percentage of his servers as he's reopening restaurants, he doesn't want to rob them of any possibility of getting extra income. And so he's saying that even though I Danny Meyer think it is really better to incorporate the price of service into the restaurant check so nobody is stiff so that it's completely equitable. I won't have that when I'm just starting to reopen. So that all the servers who feel they can make more money by getting tips will be able to Get that money. Now? The problem with our attributing all of this to Danny Meyer is. I'm so criticized when I tweeted this for lionising white restaurant owners. So what I want to emphasize is the Daddy Meyer is working collaborations with with the restaurant opportunities center, which has a one fair wage campaign, which also wants to eliminate tipping and wants to. Increase the minimum wage so that everybody is treated fairly so this is something that he's working in. Partnership with the real leaders in this who are the unions of restaurant workers and the restaurant opportunities center, which represents a people of color women, but really all restaurant workers a dirt. Candy Amanda Cohen. Other restaurant leaders in a new. York are trying very hard to increase the minimum wage. Eliminate Tipping across the board and They are working with Danny Meyer and other large well-publicized restaurant groups on this campaign that's called one fair wage, and with any luck. That's GonNa, be the industry standard, but right now as restaurants are tentatively reopening, trying to figure out how to bring back service jobs it. Might be better to let them earn tips, but it's still very controversial. It's not anywhere like a settled industry policy. Well, you kind of answered my question, but then reopened it again. Because I was going to ask. This is not just a moment. Then there is still the momentum behind this or are people going to look at the take this opportunity to to stunt possibly for for those who don't believe this is who don't want to see this method. Move Forward. I think that one fair wage, which is trying to raise the minimum wage for everybody and eliminate tipping is though is what we all should be supporting looking to In the future. Corby Kummer food man. We're going to move on now to something I. Apparently the northeast. Got A lot less help from the federal government than other sections of the country Congresswoman Presley and Congressman Jim McGovern have demanded that the USDA do a much better own more equal. Distribution of these. Food help for people that are struggling. A series here that that this is because the northeast is mostly blue states and we're paying a price with us. Lutely I love this that I oughta Presley and Jim McGovern, who is the great champion of Anti Hunger efforts in the entire? US legislature and really points the way for the whole country have noticed that the northeast wasn't getting. The contracts wasn't getting the resources in this new farmers to family's food box program. And they said that only three point six million people in the northeast who already experienced food insecurity before the pandemic, they were just getting forty six million of distributors and organizations in the Northeast, which is four point, four percent of the one to be a one point, two billion, which were in the first round of the USDA's allotment of funding. Of course, the funding is going to the red states to the states that support trump, but I hadn't seen it I had noticed it. They noted this national pattern of where the bulk purchases were going to. They were going to other parts of the country. Where the Republicans think they can get more support. And because I think it bears reminding this, because this is the northeast, because there is so much concentrated wealth here. This is an area that is in desperate need that there is a huge level of food insecurity, of course, all of the rural areas of New England, but not only that look at the Mass Massachusetts unemployment rate compared to the rest. It's not good and hunger is hunger for all families food insecurity for all families is way up. It's not going away. Unemployment bonuses or whatever you call. The six hundred dollars on top of it for pandemic relief are very much, threatened or probably going away at the end of July. This is a moment of real need of food, insecurity, and the idea that the northeast is being inequitably. Treated, and of course, look the Northeast as being the leader in mask, rules and everything the president has said, or not necessary, of course, the Northeast as being punished. On Presley. Jim McGovern are calling them out, I think is just great. Corby Camera. What stealth foodbanks please still foodbanks? This is another way of. How do you get relief to the people who need it? The people who are hungry families who are insecure, a lot of them are undocumented. Therefore, they do not have access to the social safety net. Even though we've talked about this and you can't talk about it enough, even though they've been. Been paying into unemployment for years, they are undocumented, so their employers were able legally to put them on the payroll and give the money. They showed that they were paying into the unemployment system, but they were often on other people's social like dead legal `grants social security numbers that would be used for several undocumented employees. It was a wink wink. unacknowledged. Exemption of the US system, but it allowed it was. It was considered a win win. The government would get its cut. Employers would be able to give wages legally to these workers who weren't actually documented, but those workers once they needed. Unemployment could not get into the system and so clandestine food banks are finding ways of reaching out undocumented workers who are afraid of showing up any place where. Where they might be I ace. There might be confronted with. You're not supposed to be here. We're going to make sure you get out and they're meeting in alleys and backyards, and rather than advertise themselves. It's phone calls, so they're going directly to the families that are hungry that need this assistance, and so there's now like this article that we saw in the counter great website. Talked about, one, in. A farmworker family co-op that's reached out to one hundred and sixty families just to get them food bank food because they're afraid of showing up at a food bank. Corby Kummer, thank you as always for joining us. Thank you. Thank you Corby Kummer very much. I'm missing still missing this hour bars, but thank you very much. Do you in touch with Sally. Out Good. Thank you, Corby coming out. He joins US every week. The Executive Director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute, a senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at the Tufts Friedman School of Nutrition Science and policy coming up. It's all things techy with Andy and Co. Keep your dial on eighty nine seven. W. G. B. H. in public radio.
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The fast food franchise might turn trump into a pro massacre with their you ready for this everybody bacon and chicken scented facial coverings I am. So they're joining US online. You talk about this, how six pack could be packing the polls and other headlines about food policy in food cultures, Corby, Kummer, Corey's the executive director of the food and society. Policy Program at the Aspen Institute senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer, the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and policy, Low Corby Kummer good talking good afternoon, and so before we get to the Bacon Masks I count me among people who are just fascinated with how life is lived inside the White House? Regardless of who is leaving at the white. House. But we have all of a sudden learned more or have we known the Soho along with the food habits of the Biden's would be in in what could possibly be served if there is a Biden Presidency You know reading this everything points to the Biden's are normal eaters. They're absolutely normal. They like Red Sauce Pasta Joe Likes Angel Hair in bottle pasta sauce that he'll make Jill, Biden, shares, recipes for chicken, Parmigiana, chicken tenders, they peanut butter, and Jelly Joe Biden who doesn't drink loves ICE CREAM Says my to dairy Queens Double Fists are a booster drug to counter you know one of trump's innumerable lies about his taking booster drugs but the the main thing is a and so happy to talk about the go to restaurants. The junior staff always follows local restaurants. So Washington, Restaurateurs quoted in the Washington Post piece are salivating at the idea of a president who goes out to someplace besides a hotel with his name on it losing a fortune. Yeah. But you know in all fairness sort of the common persons chicken Potpie pbs Jay's jared said. He's running against the guy who's a pretty common man eater to. McDonald's and Meatloaf I mean that is Donald Trump visit and also he doesn't drink talk about I didn't know I'm really embarrassed by this I didn't know that Biden was a non drinker until you said that Corby but obviously, we all know that Donald Trump is too. So this sort of a, there's almost a tie in terms of eating. Sort of a basic American. Meal no listen. I'm not particularly interested in what the Biden's eat because I want them. I want to see them in the White House so that we can then think about how they're going to eat shared but when it comes to play eating. trump has fast food because he thinks that it is more sanitary. Than most restaurants and that horrible. Photograph of him like in the White House, dining room pointing to mounds and mounds of hamburgers delivered from big Mac or was it the NCW I. Think and saying look I'm a normal guy and just like normal Americans, I'm going to give them as much of this as they want it's a feast it's your fast fast-food fantasy and it was revolting. The idea that he was using these brands. Zone the idea of bribing sports players who were all repelled by it and did not seen through things in the press. Anyway. No I don't think Biden is going to do any of that. Maybe dairy, Queen. But. By the way is anybody surprised I mean I don't know Biden I've met him once in my life, but it is anybody surprised that chicken pot pie and PB, and J. or at the top lists for Joe Biden. I'm not surprised except I didn't chicken Potpie in this. Would join him and putting it at the top of the list that'd be fine by me. Talking to Corby Kummer. Corby, restaurant workers were earlier this show we were talking to chronic about sports figures who become great political activists especially for for getting out the vote, and now we see this happening in this time as well. Especially in the pandemic restaurant workers stepping up as activists in what way. Well Various restaurant chains are saying progressive chains or saying workers can take election day off. More than that they're trying promotions to help people vote to were wore them for voting like I voted today beer forty, three breweries of side up to brew I. Vote Today a special brew for local voting precincts. Others have fuel. The polls which is a feed people who are going to work in the polls and to vote World's central kitchen has been tweeting out Jose? Andres is a world center kitchen has been a feeding poll workers in Georgia because you saw the horrifying lines at polls and they set up stands and they were feeding people who were waiting for them, and I'm sure feeding the poll workers to. So this is a way a pizza to the polls. There's a six, hundred, forty, three, thirty, six, hundred, and forty, five pizzas delivered by pizza the polls election day group that started on twitter. So I think notches, empanadas and such. So I think it's great to. Give workers a chance to show that they care and to give them a chance to be activists. And I loved it that people are donating to send the pizza to the polls significant because we we see these huge. Six hours, people waiting in places like Georgia and it's such a brilliant idea. To descend food six hours as long time, it's just the right thing to do, and so soon as I saw world tender interested in has been tweeting up a storm of its photographs. It's not just Georgia. I can't remember the other states they were, but it also shows you if you're paying attention the kind of criminal lines, there are this far in advance at the. Polls. Yeah. Woke up early speaking of Jose. Andres. I woke up early in the day to Nobel Peace Prize was awarded and probably shouldn't admit this. But I was sort of groggy. That's the part of candidate Mitt and I thought that they had announced that his operation won the Nobel Peace Prize when in fact, it was whatever it's called the Food Program at the. U. N.. I mean, is there anybody who deserves a peace prize more than Jose? Andres those I'm completely in favor of his getting the Peace Prize? I would love that especially because he recently held up the safety first restaurant guidelines that he and I did on a on a when he was getting an award from Tufts. Friedman School I don't think he knew I was at all connected to him, and so I was very glad because of course I support Jose I also support the World Food Program But what I'm glad is that he's so fixed in your mind Jim that you would assume that. To do with food that's a good cause. Would Be Jose drizzled centric edge. That is totally that is totally true. So Corby. The what came out what has come out is came out particularly in the judiciary, committee hearings on Amy Coney Barrett last week. Was the Democrats talking about how perverse it is that the affordable care act is at risk anyway. But how doubly perversity is that it's at risk and the President States is joined in litigation with Republican attorneys. General to get. It nixed at the same time that we're in the middle of a pandemic, which is sort of exactly how I feel about. The. Fact that apparently the food insecure numbers in this country have doubled and the response of the trump administration is try to cut dramatically the number of people who are eligible for food stamps for snap benefits. The good news is the judge I think it's the same judge who was in charge of the Muller Grand Jury I may be wrong this. Familiar how I think is her name put a stop to this. Does that mean that there this this effort is done at least through the pandemic or is this just one of those temporary stays that discharge hal is put in place. What is I think it's more than temporary certainly through December, which is Gosh I think that there's a complete lifting of the school lunch restriction. So right after lockdown the trump administration mysteriously did something good which was to allow schools to feed entire families now, John. Families that were eligible. Then they announced in August no more free lunch you can't do this anymore. Schools were heartbroken people who lead school programs were raising money themselves woman said I'm going to pay out of my own pocket, which was completely a typical response, and then just as quickly as they'd said, we're locking locking up this possibility anymore they said now you can keep feeding families a mysterious by food policy friends are still baffled by this good thing. But what they did try to do was continue their entire for your effort to knock people off the snap rolls. And what? Is the rationale that it's a work discourage or something or or what? What's the possible rationale for pairing of the ration? Yes. It was that you would remove restrictions from damn making people demonstrate that they are looking for work. There's the able bodied adults between twenty nine and forty five i. think who they are really trying to say, don't deserve this in the first place. It's often those adults who have to feed families. So they're the most hampered and it's the most difficult for them to make ends meet. They don't have very good justifications and the judge in Washington decimated the United States Department of Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue by saying this is you know breathtakingly cruel and inconsiderate to think about doing this at a time into pandemic when there are no jobs and hunger has grown by half. Corby I keep wondering too as we see this the numbers climb, and you wonder if we're going to be back in a situation, we were back in the spring when people began hoarding and what this is going to do to supermarkets and what the accessibility of food is going to be. Will it be better this time since we've we we have the benefit of foresight hopefully. Will what be better? We'll food assistance better. We'll restaurant dining the better or what will the supply chain foodbanks be able to to to distribute the food they need will have not been hearing about food banks having that trouble. Those terrible lines that were saying Arizona was it miles long lines to wait at food banks What we did see was a wonderful a good story in CNN.com about families in orange, county, which is such. A good example because Orange County is enormously rich it's one of. The richest and most conservative counties in the country, and there's a lot of food insecurity and need for food banks there and what this piece was highlighting was the number of people who never expected to need food benefits. Now, not only have them, but they are volunteering their time because don't have work to help out at food banks I think that I have not read supply chains I'm in. Pretty close touch with feeding America and I have not heard that being a problem. Recently, it's as always getting enough to Tristesse food as opposed to just what you get. It's being able to afford you know that food banks by a lot of their food. It's not just given being able to find affordable prices when prices have gone up I haven't read actual supply chain problems. We're talking to corby covers or Kirby. This is a true story earlier this summer I was doing outdoor dining with a friend and when the food arrived, she reached into her person pulled out her knife and fork and just looked at me and said, do not say a word. I love that here you are talking about. Way of looking at my phone right now waiting for it to blow up. But, I didn't name her Nicole. I didn't name her at all in. No I didn't. But this is an issue and I think many people are aware of how they're eating eating at restaurants and when we're eating with plastic utensils. A lot of us who just don't feel good about it because we're trying to be sustainable and more careful but. Ron Wrestle with that. will you for for right now restaurants or? Single use plastic disposables all the way it is what diners feel comfortable with and one problem is the CDC which I am a huge defender of and they are doing their best and I hope you have both noticed that this week gave become considerably tougher guys as if they've decided the heck with the administration were just saying what we think. But one thing they don't know is the rate of surface transmission and so without anything really clear from the CDC about how the virus spreads and services as usual the press spokesperson about this in a recent article said this is. Not Thought to be the main way, the virus spread So one way that it could if you touch a services, if somebody sneezed on their hand, coughed into their hand and then set your table at a restaurant and you picked it up like fifteen twenty minutes after it came in or doorknobs in restaurants, those should be disinfected pretty quickly but and pretty frequently but not walls not chair backs not tabletops more than usual that becomes kind of maniacal but as far as silverware I think everybody's more comfortable using plastic silverware or like your friend who's not named Nicole. I? Guess. Taking it out of her purse by the way since you asked, I'm not GonNa Mention Robert Redfield the head of the CDC shaking his head like a bobblehead doll in Atlanta and March when the President United States said, anybody wants to test can get one I'm not going to get into that at all. So what we really wanted to talk to you about was everybody says a lot of people say do you live by personal motto I'm sure we. Have our own mottos. Mine is you know Corby since I met you was don't just eat bacon inhale it. So apparently that motto has been stolen by some little fast food chain I thought it was a joke when Chelsea said, we were GonNa talk to you about this there masked produced by some fast food joint that had the smell of either chicken and or Bacon is that is that accurate or is this new asking when Chelsea told me had bought up supply Orillia by the way I mean for one thing. My my frequent plug of community servings, I just have to wedge this. They gave away masks to their donors. So they printed mass, they gave them away. Lots of places are printing giving away masks. It's good promotion. And this is hey, you like our chicken sandwich, how'd you like to smell fried chicken every minute of every day or if you are. Jim. Bacon. and so people are apparently enthusiastic about this I think absurd and nightmarish fast-food giveaway but you're signing up for as many as you can jim in the. Christmas stocking stuffer I guess I love it I I totally love the creative by and by the way if it gets people to wear a mask I, think this is Shirley. Isn't like being in prison. What would bacon inhaling Bacon I think the whole time you know by the way one of the misconceptions I just want to digress for a second route bacon many every time we talk about Bacon on the show we get emails saying such a man's thing and I won a fight push back on that if I can you all know Zita, who with whom jared and I work and Share what would is either bring in from whole foods every Friday when they're still was everybody coming into the newsroom, what did she bring as a as a an offering to her co workers in the Gbh used to be called the wgn h but the GBH newsroom over that bijard big box vacant a big box of Bacon she goes to the Redo remember the hot bar. You may not remember that far back at whole foods and would get what seemed to be hundreds of strips of vacant from whole foods and share it with her. BELOVED CO worker. So another woman, there's a great food writer named and Hodgman. One of the funniest writers who ever lived and she wrote beat this and beat that great cookbooks which are still in print and her motto is I know how to make anything taste good double the chocolate and add bacon. That's my new model by the way to go with my old motto a couple minutes ago. So before you go, we want to broach with you something that's GonNa get us into our discussion with our listeners, the show and end the week here I didn't even know about this and I happen to live in Cambridge. There is a new program in Cambridge were restaurants will be reimbursed up to two hundred and fifty per portable patio heater up to a maximum of five, obviously to help them stay in business because Jerry and I were talking about before the show. You hope that your favorite restaurant or restaurants which you're trying to keep in business when you go there for take and for eating outside particularly when it's now getting cold have heaters this is such a creative thing Juliet Qaim says couple of weeks ago trump should have invoked. The defense production act to produce here's for restaurants so they could stay in Business Cambridge's also by the way even though this is not our topic started this campaign called, pick it up Cambridge urging people to go to the restaurant and get takeout rather than paying these user aureus. Rates that the delivery services take out of the hides of restaurant owners who were hanging by a thread. So my long winded and I do mean long question how creative in great is this program to reimburse small restaurants for the heaters? They buy I guess it's creative in Great Jim. I completely approve of it. I hope other cities would take it up instead of New York City which forbids propane heaters because they still not. Yeah. They think the terrorists are going to run into them and you know I've actually had. Who Zone restaurants in New York report that their fellow owners are hiding the propane tanks because they're ugly behind screens that are completely inaccessible to public to any car that wants to drive up I mean it's ridiculous and the city's not made exemptions yet Cambric has allowed them for a long time and I'm pretty sure that Boston allows propane heaters to So subsidizing these outdoor heaters is Great I assume that they are all propane because if they're electric heaters that are powerful enough, it's very hard for restaurants to have enough current have the safe extension cords to install boosters are generators. That's a really tall lift, which is why it's so difficult for New York. City restaurants think about how am I going to get heaters outdoors I would say that another defense defense production exception will be. For Indoor individual vent, ventilators air circulates with filters that are sufficiently powerful. They're pretty good and in these safety first guidelines at my Aspen Food Program. We're we're about to release and we're working on. Now we're going to have a recommendation for and we're GONNA have a checklist for what's the cheapest because a lot of them are being. These small floor independent unit you can plug in and you put a number of them like between tables depending on how many square feet we're GonNa have a calculator for that but we're also going to say is here's all you need and buy the cheapest one because so many charlatans pudding. UV light and I, and his Asian and things that are gizmos that don't particularly add much except to the price but having the subsidy to give people indoor ventilators with fan a with. Proper merv thirteen filters I think would be next step by the way. The Associated Press is reporting the second. The president has rejected a call for the Defense Production Act to. Order. The manufacturing of either heaters or these inside ventilators he has approved the Defense Production Act for Bass for Bacon smelling masks actually. So there is it's. Exactly it's a pleasure to talk to their Corby Kummer. Take Care Thank you so much food writer Corby, Kummer joins US every week he's executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute a senior editor at the Atlantic and senior lecturer at the Tufts Friedman School of Nutrition Science and policy. Coming up with restaurants doing all, they can to keep dining ALFRESCO feasible for opening up the lines and asking amid pandemic. Are you feeling the call of the great outdoors when you do all the Yukon to stay this winter? 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Corby Kummer: Boston's Booming Community Fridges
"Support for boston. Public radio comes from. Pnc pnc bank has made home in the heart of greater boston. Investing in our businesses communities and people that focus on giving back as part of an ongoing commitment to the communities pnc serves pnc bank national association. Member fdic to boston public radio. Jim brady modrica. Restraints were accumulating enough heat lamps to keep outdoor dining viable. Boston is pulled the plug on. What has been a lifeline during the pandemic starting today. Boston restaurants can no longer expand their seating by using public spaces. Such as sidewalks are barking lanes only the property they own. Join us line to explain this. Hope trump's ongoing war on school lunches and community fridges or a partial answer to the nation's growing hunger crisis is corby kummer. Corby is the executive director the food and society policy program at the aspen institute senior editor at the atlantic and senior lecturer stuff's friedman school of nutrition science and policy. Welcome corby good afternoon to you. So corby kummer. I'm wondering what you think about this and of outdoor dining the outdoor dining. It's publicly owns parts of the sidewalk or the street which means it certainly will be shrunken will not be what it was. You know part of the good if there's anything good about climate change climate disruption as it sometimes. We have unusually warm weather. Like we've had in this november. So i couldn't. They've let them stay out. They're desperate stracey's restaurants. Very surprised at boston was cutting it all off right away but also i was thinking. This is a problem city to face. 'cause new york restaurants whom i'm in constant touch with from my safety first guideline work which were continuing for restaurant workers safety where outraged that the city told them. Two weeks ago. If it's snows if we plow your responsible for clearing the decks take everything off the sidewalk most especially any barrier you have between the sidewalk and your tables because we are going to need that cleared so the filthy snow can build up right next to your nice outdoor setup and they were all thinking. How can i get myself depending on snowfall over to my restaurant sidewalk and clear it out. When i have no idea when they're actually going to plow so they were thinking this isn't gonna work so well at the same time. Invested a ton of money in these outdoor setups. That boston restaurants have made look beautiful too. But what the compromises. And i think it's pretty good. It's just depends on where your restaurant who is that if you've got a parking lot in the back that's not sitting property and you've worked out a deal with whoever has rights that parking like for example the city of cambridge's civic lot behind central square. I hope that cambridge is allowing that to continue because the restaurants can make a deal with the snow plows with the city themselves. Or if they've got any kind of back seething they can keep doing that but i don't know what. The percentage of affected restaurants is going to be. I do know that wants no comes. It's going to be a problem. Everybody has to face but he started by the way. The mayor's gonna be with us on friday so obviously we'll get it from the horse's mouth mouth. I don't understand why a restaurant can't continue to us if they've been allowed to so far. Let's say parking spaces in front of the restaurant and our snow day. They have to clear the area where the tables tents or or heaters are just follow. The weather and i just like what new york it said. It seems to me that that anything we focus a lot on restaurants we talked about small businesses but them in particular because it's one of the few small businesses that everybody patronizes and it seems to me you bend over backwards to give them a break. And i thought this was a creative way and i i really i hear what you're saying. I don't understand at all. Why a compromise. That continued to benefit the restaurant. In light of the fact we talked on the show corby. A lot of people are planning on eating out in real on really cold days like the nordic types do and that sort of stuff. So i maybe we just leave to our conversation with walsh. But i think it's unfortunate and the ending of this was premature. They did extend that a month from october. Thirty first and thirtieth. But i think it could have been extended again as far as i know. New york city has extended it indefinitely. I think you're right. So they were continuing their open street but then again they were imposing. These snow day warnings on restaurants and had them all alarmed. But you know another thing a friend of mine on my on my restaurant committee wrote. We've this sporting alarmingly at four forty five. Am a east village restaurant in new york city. It has this very nice wooden Supply woods sidewalls half walls so they were safe and rule arrangement and the whole thing tipped over because it was a windy night in so i don't show to mayor wall okay. So so corby kummer. We've said this before boston. Dot eater dot com does does great work. they get a great piece about community fridges. In and around. Boston gives us a low down. I love story to go there and go to every community fridge and take clean produce whatever that is but not half eaten food not leftovers but if you have extra food that is perishable and needs a refrigerator. Different communities has set up community fridges. It's kind of a big extension of the little free libraries. That are like fun. Birdhouses with doors or without doors that people put books in all over the city but this is community bridges and their actual plugged into some kind of outdoor outlet refrigerator. Some of them like the one in fields corner dorchester. That was pictured in boston. Dot eater dot com with A lean to shed in closing the refrigerator keeping this though off and having shelves where you can put pantry. Food banks style Donations and so they list the ones that are currently running. Jp's which was the first shape is the center of the universe is out of order now. But they're fixing it. Somerville allston Fenway fridge dorchester. To and dorchester. One and ross. Dale these like the greatest thing ever because the communities are are are feeling bulletin boards with spreadsheets on local community website. Saying here's what's available. Here are the rules for what you can put in. We've got shelves in this one. But don't put stuff on the bottom because vermin can get to it. I mean they're all being very specific about what you can leave. But don't you just want to go out stock up extra while you're shopping and then make us stop on your they list in this article. They list where they are are in boston. So if you wanna go there's probably one right close to where you live is it's a really kind of heart warming story and all these other bad stories. Zoom i'm sorry to interrupt as your zoom sound on because i'm hearing you several times. If he can just check jim and let me check your thanks. Now you you're right. It was part. I'm sorry go ahead. I wanna ask you about this because it's drives me crazy. These stories about these are food delivery places door dash overeat etc. It sounds like it grubhub. That they're not only shaft. The restaurants would taking a huge cut out of the restaurant restaurants profit when they make the meal there are also shafting their own workers. So i'm wondering should we be ordering from any of these people. Should we just get in the car or walkover ourselves. Well what they are over eight. And especially door dashing. Caviar are not only making. I like bandits. they are being. They are robbing their workers who are gated konami and don't get health insurance. They are subjecting them to all kinds of danger. And what really shocked me about this. Very good photo essay in the new york times was that the prophets have doubled and tripled for these delivery services as services because of the pandemic When you look at the figures there this way buried in the story it was it was twice as much for door dash Twice as much for uber delivery and three times as much for door dash over last year which is to say uber's delivery service just between july and september one point four five billion in sales compared with six hundred and forty five million last year adore dash jones. Caviar one point nine two billion compared with five hundred eighty seven million so they could protect their workers and what they say is well. you know. we're giving them plenty masks and hand sanitizer with. They're not giving them health insurance or money to buy their two thousand dollar electronic bikes. So it's a rotten deal for delivery people but it quotes lots of people this photo essay. Who were laid off at restaurants. They were servers. they don't have it now. They know the restaurant business. They've signed up to be delivery people. They're not paid well. And of course the restaurants pay like thirty to thirty five percent of their sales revenue The comes in the door through services to the service well two things To be a broken record. If i may just for second the legislature to my knowledge has still not addressed the totally reasonable measure. That would put a cap on the percentage that they can charge restaurants now while this wouldn't solve the problem of the so-called independent contractors not employees who they screw on the other end that would deal with one end and correct me. if i'm wrong corby this state. Legislature is also totally free to do what california tried to do unfortunately the voters overrode it they could pass a law that said. These kinds of workers are employees. They're not independent contractors and as a result they'd be subject to minimum wage laws and all the other things attend to regular employees. Might not right about that. The legislature i fault it's too bad. Massachusetts hasn't private by the same token. I've not seen any of the other forty nine states. Try to tell uber. Hey in our state buddy you are an employer and you have to give worker protection. California wait didn't california trying to do it. And then the voters reverse that that they not shocking photos balaguer all scott by that but yes they did it and it was it was i think it was class action lawsuits and it was like the supreme court of the state of california that rule in favor of the plaintiffs not the company's but the company's got their revenge and what surprises me is that other legislatures have not taken up this cause so the the answer to marjorie is question is don't patron. Is that right and then in a play. I know that haggle in central square cambridge was doing its own deliveries. They were hiring their own delivery services. And i think what you want to hope for. Is that one of your favorite restaurants that is doing take out and delivery has been able to use a local service or their own delivery. People as restaurants have tried to do to avoid these commissions. They have to pay now. I know from a piece. I did a long time ago. About how. god's these restaurants are that it's still a big financial challenge and personnel headache to line up your own delivery people. It's not easy. I'm so glad you said this. I've been ordering a lot of food from this place. Called bountiful kitchen in somerville. They don't have a restaurant. They just make fabulous food there and then delivered to your house. They do exactly what you do. Is they use their own delivery people including some of the people who are cooking by the way. There should be a story in the globe or boston magazine or something highlighting. Those places are where if you need delivery because he canco out for whatever reason you're not screwing both the workers and the restaurant so i never heard of that. Yeah it's great. It's a great orator dot. Boston dot com which that community fridge piece but what it also should should do is talk to some of the owners about how difficult it is time consuming to make sure that you've got the people to do it and that they don't just strange you at the end so much. Better a deal for everybody. It's just like yet another headache. That restaurant owners might not be able to take on. Kummer corby kummer. I don't even know who did this. Story maybe you can tell me but it is a really upsetting. Comprehensive story about was the washington post thank you. I consumer came from was a story about people driving up in mercedes benz. They want sound enough money to buy mercedes benz but now they're at food banks about houston how they opened up a stadium At eight o'clock in the morning before thanksgiving and people were lined up starting at one in the morning seven hours early and they ran a food and had to get more they served as it was seven thousand one hundred and sixty cars Full of people in desperate straits in lots of them talked about how they've never ever been in this situation before until the pandemic What do you make of it. First of all this is an example. Where print still has advantages because the washington post ran this on their sunday cover and it was the full half page picture of just cars viewed from above snaking around in the thanksgiving line trying to get food at was the sunday before. Thanksgiving where you was doing. This big event you know they started lining up at one in the morning For like an eight. Am opening and the houston food bank. Which i did not know is the country's largest food bank early and they started putting food boxes in that had cranberry sauce and stuffing mix and things that families were just trying to use. Not only the celebrate thanksgiving but to get through the week so. I think that all of us were shocked. In midway into the lockdown. Say mayor june. There was a piece. I think it was a southern california or a louis miles long line of cars waiting at food banks. 'cause a safeway food banks have been delivering. Food is in trunk so the the cars pull up and they opened the trunks but to know the extent of the need in houston and that really. It's mostly the amount of me and the amount of food insecurity which means that families don't really know if from week to week whether they will have enough to eat and then the statistics in this piece about the number of people who are hungry or can't be sure of how they can feed their families From week to week. And especially the it's i think. Twenty eight percent of african american families in the country are food. Insecure are not sure of how they can feed their families. This problem with the rising stock market with our optimism. That a deal is going to be worked out. We lose track of the sheer numbers of hunger. Okay so this is really. I was impressed as youtube. I mean everybody knew that the reason this piece is so great. And i agree. Print helps here is because it makes it so real. It's not just that one photograph. They ton of these pictures powerful photographs of mothers and young children couples. The guy who worked at that stadium for a couple of decades. I think it was a cook at the stadium. Who is there with his eighty. He's fifty eight. I think with this eighty year old mother. I mean it is. It is heartbreaking Tone there be recently about volunteers if food banks talking about how And one woman who ran a food bank said when i was younger and i had small children i needed food banks to survive now. My kids are grown and they can support themselves. But i see this need and so that that needed absolutely not vanish one of the things. That camera harris Said was when i was growing up my working. Mother relied on snap and food assistance. And now i own his near a tannin and now i am honored to be heading the office of management and budget because i will be able to help approve the budgets for the federal food assistance programs which are no more needed than ever and in a mysterious thing. Good thing that proper administration did They extended the waivers on restrictions for school food for families to be able to sign up entire families. Not just the eligible schoolchild so we hope that near at hand and who's going over from the liberal center for american progress in washington to head oh. Mb is going to make sure that those kinds of waivers stay in play if she's confirmed she's got but she's the one target is from bedford massachusetts by the way. We should be almost time before you go. I know the trump administration's trying to do a lot of things before they leave on january twentieth. But i don't get why they are hot to trot to put more fat more salt more starchy vegetables unless fruit in the lunches of school. Children across america when we already have a obesity problem. Children in america is caught a bad dream. You can't wake up from Which is to say that in two thousand eighteen very soon after election the administration and the remember remember perdue who's ahead of. Usda name proudly pointing launch. chocolate milk. made me what i am and on knock wanted their chocolate milk so one percent chocolate milk is back. The problem is in the fat all the sugar and chocolate milk and so is Higher salt and lower whole wheat and less fruit because what they listen to these Right wing Food companies that were getting the big contracts for school. Saying it's a big pain for us to retool our products so there's mole more whole wheat in it but you know what as soon as the Michelle obama administration require them to do it. They did industry adapt on a dive if they're required to or if consumer demand requires them to. I have no idea why but this is like one of many things. Were reading about that as they go out the door they're trying to leave scorched earth and so with this. It's not just an executive order. That biden can reverse on day two. It is changing rules and so these rules would take months more change if they are approved to the end of december beginning january because the review period ends in the right before christmas if they are able to get it passed before january twentieth. It will not only take months more to submit new rules for public comments and then get them passed but the schools will have put in their orders for months in advance and so it might grow up meals and higher year sounds good. Karbi is one of these days. Where a lot of us hope that hell actually exists. It's great to talk to you. Thank you as always corby camera joins us every week. The executive director of the food and society policy program at the aspen institute a senior editor. At the atlantic senior lecturer. At tufts friedman school attrition science and policy. Thanks again corby. Coming up. This great new podcast. Looks at how keeping a secret blacklist of cops and also be keeping justice out of reach for everybody. Police officers included conversations. Next one eight nine seven boston public radio.
Corby Kummer: Life is Actually Going to Be Better Without Buffets
"Support for Boston public radio comes from DC you offering auto loan refinancing, you can learn more about your monthly payment and interest rate options at d c You dot org. What will dc you mean to you insured by NCUA membership required. Welcome back to Boston public radio. Pandemic snacking is turning the Food Pyramid on its head. Is People abandoned healthy eating habits for the comforts of salty food, fatty sugary snacks, oreos, FIG Newton Doritos instead joining us live talk about this. What part of phase two means the local for local restaurants? Morris who wrote it Corby Kummer. He's executive director of the Food and society program with the Aspen. Institute a senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at the Tufts Friedman School of Nutrition Science and policy. Corby you're on with. John Bowen WBZ executive are Senator and meet today a day off high and I'm delighted. Hello there high Gorby to you. I was. I was going to start with the breakfast buffet, but I'll do that second since we just talked about everybody. Turn their kitchen into a vending machine as the New York. Times story says we talked about this before, but it's a great story worth talking about again. That's what we're doing eating. Fig Newton's Oreos and none of better. Is that was going on Corby? Couple things going on. We're cooking much more or buying our own food, and we're all so placing our trust in brands again, so these old fossils, the dinosaurs of packaged fake Newton's Lorna Dunes peanut butter, immigrate savior or good and bad reasons good because it's convenient, it's easy protein bad because of allergies, but really because of economic need, it's a cheap filling protein, but in any case Michael Moss author, sugar, salt bat terrific reporter. Publishing The Times a piece about snacking. Yes, our kitchens, our vending machine, and there's this new people are now trying fake. Newton's and nutter butter were still haunting Campbell soup. All this stuff fallen into bad refused among young people because they said I don't want these packaged foods, plus they're full of salt, sugar and fat, so I want nothing to do with them, but the most striking statistic as well as the increased fails. People are home. They're trapped. Want this food, so that kind of really make sense was that. One in four of the people who said they were eating more salty and sugary snacks after the pandemic were dominated by the same group that had given big this hard time, and said we turn our back on it. Young adults aged eighteen to twenty nine. Shocking to me well I was about to say that this is the seems a little bit psychological, too, because I have found and I've talked to other people who found that they are harkening back to the foods. They had when they were kid. I had a birthday recently in all I wanted was the birthday cake? My mom made when I was kid vanilla. Crossing in red hots in the middle, which really good friends actually did make for me. But other friends. Did. You ever not want that. There well, that's that's a good well. I hadn't crave honestly. Actually I hadn't craved in any number of years, but suddenly we we, we crave the foods, but we also I think crave that branding those pictures from the packaging were comfort to us as children. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Well, you know all these things like the non. Factor the trust in big food companies that can pay for TV. Commercials that attack you win when you're a kid and should be illegal. There should be no marketing to children ever. They are working again. It's yeah, the psychology they worked. Yeah I use thing of blueberry, pancake mix. Which? Jemima unless you've decided. You have to have one of the last Jemima Block. Finally we can think of. No it was not. It was a whole foods. One of those overpriced a bright pancake mixes, but then my Evan broken sort of I'm. Not a good time to have your oven break, is it? What's the problem with griddle pancakes which gone on top of your scope? Because I have to be able to turn the oven on to the gas. You know what I mean. Oh, you mean, you cannot use your filter. I cannot use the vigneault. It's I. Don't WanNa Explode here in my house, so I need to get a new a new gas leak, so I knew of them, but that's another story, so it is really too bad. Corby Kummer the Jim Brady is not here for this because his whole life has been ruined and turned asunder, not only is the breakfast buffet done? But the hot bar. It could be arrested piece sort of situation. Are. We ever going to graze again, Corby. Well so this is actually very related to the the salty sugary food, because one of the things that the big bad food companies would say it's first of all. We're taking lot of the salt and sugar and fat out. We heard you which is sort of to, but not completely. Deck and we're also marketing. If you are really tempted by all those orioles in the vending machine of your kitchen put three on a plate and make them last the whole day, so you've decided this is your portion control, so ooh archery jared. You can do this to, so it'll still. They're making game out of only having a limited number. You know so. They are making these they good faith efforts to try to reduce the portions you take, so this is why the end of buffets is actually good news, Jim and especially while not here to protect, we can tell him. It was done for his own good. Willpower and his Porsche inside the. Far In from the far at foods or vagrants he was paying by the pound wound up. That's always more expensive than just buying and making the food yourself. Everybody knows, but it's this whole idea that you're. You're pulling a fast one at a buffet. You're getting rights. For Nothing. Nobody's looking. You're going. You're getting another portion and nobody never offered you another portion so finally you can get your way. Know all the cake and red hot. Screw your birth Jerry. So. That's gone because it's unsafe. You know everybody's utensils. I'm not so worried about. Hatching cry virus from surfaces, but it is a concern for other people, and you just don't want to be too close to people, and so there's no physical distancing really that easily available at a at a hospital echo on there and things that, but it's gonNA reduce in bed. It's going to result in better fortune control life is actually going to be better without buffet. Well as I was reading about this I was wondering if if this. This is going away permanently. Or if this is just an interim measure, or if because mostly we're talking about hotels here and we're seeing hotels getting away with the little bottles of Shampoo. which also you think you're getting away with something? If you swipe a couple from the car to take them home and we've seen hotels try to manipulate people into using the dispensers, so is this. Is this truly the death of the breakfast buffet? Do you think? No, I don't think we know what it's the death of yet until. Until we come back to life, we're GONNA. Come back to life. With twenty to forty percent of independent restaurants gone incredible number of independently owned businesses gone. That is going to be truly tragic now. We're talking about the single serving as you point out those little bottles. What's the first thing we think? Oh, because we are white, minded people, the waste, the plastic, the payoff being wasted in all of that and the reason that jared they were telling us. We were really better off with a big shampoo. Two fencers was not only because they would say. And not throwing all that shampoo, although you feel virtuous, I, don't know if a W. G. B. H. is office collection sites where you would bring in all of your unused mostly bottles, and then they would go to goodwill, or whoever was collecting them so now that's not necessary, or it'll be necessary if we're going back to hotels, but a lot of those things were energy and recycling saving, and I hope that will be able to go back to them, so there's a lot of individual proportion waste of plastic single use lactic a paper. That's all back now, but as for fame. Or more economical for the hotels and restaurants. If they are making you think you're pulling a fast one and getting a bargain, whereas they are making more money, they'll come back. We're talking to Corby Kummer. People are going back to restaurants inside restaurants to now in here. Massachusetts, let's start outside where there have been some issues. As outdoor dining has started again the city of Boston just issued some some declarations for restaurants to smarten up. What's happening here? Gosh. What's happening here is that every city has greatly decreased the tape that it took to have outdoor saving. It's amazing how these cities which turned out. We're making money from the permitting process anywhere from one to six thousand dollars, depending on the city and I haven't checked the Boston featured used to take re to five months to get that permit process by the city and pay your big fee now. Cities recognized that the only hope restaurant have for making everybody's safe. I think most important to keep the servers and the staff safe and also for diners to feel peace of mind. Outdoor seating. What does that mean speeding up the permitting process? Boston is doing that. and restaurants are starting to open, and so I would say that most of the experiences your friends are going to have ever I and other local critics will have. We'll be outdoor dining, but now some places like Boston like Washington DC both, of which were among the very last to allow any kind of opening as of this week are opening very limited possibilities of table, sixty two part and depending on the city capacity limit Massachusetts doesn't have a capacity limited just requires no more than six people at a table. No bar seating at all tables at least. Part so I? Think it's just it's restaurant by restaurant. Can they remove enough tables and chairs and they closed off their bar hand. They make the numbers work, but I think that right now. Outdoor seating and have either of you been to an outdoor restaurant yet. Yes I. Not. You loved it and jared. Yours, I was in new, Hampshire and I win a little bit kicking and screaming I would say, and then I got there and I realized it was very safe very comfortable. The weren't actually a lot of people there. Anyway, so not even all the tables were filled and. It felt really good at the end of the day and it was nice to have cooked food. And Marjorie. Well, you know. I was about three feet from the street. The fumes of the cars. Kind of wafting into my meal, but I was so excited to be out. On the sidewalk having a drink, there are petitions among all the tables, so you didn't feel unsafe. Server was wearing a mask the whole time I loved it. I must admit even though it was kind of you. Know few me. That's kind of the problem. Lovable ad I'm actually good at make an offer. I just got a call this morning from a friend who's helping me with my Aspen Institute safety guidelines for restaurants that are reopening. His name is David, Rockwell and he designed all kinds of things in New York from theaters, especially restaurants. He's designed a nonprofit. That offered outdoor modular furniture that helps It has planters that keep you marjorie from the fumes in the street. So This! It's opened this week. It's opening for five African American owned restaurants in each of the. Boroughs of Manhattan, but he's offering all the plans free on his website. and the idea is going to be very cheap. It offers divisions between tables. It offers pretty safe. Wait stations, but designed to have a barrier between you and the street mostly planters. But it's really ingenious, so this is happening, and I think aside for my friend David Rockwell. Lots of different architects Caitlyn Taylor from the mass group in Graduate School designed from. Harvard is also offering lots of design plans restaurants. So this is happening and everybody wants to help. Restaurants find economical way of being able to offer table type things so maybe march, or you just had a freelance local. Local Brookline borrow wherever you are. There was putting stuff right on the street. I would say frankly isn't worth having a couple of fumes in your cocktail. If you get outside and have somebody else serve you and you feel that person that they could. That person's wearing a mask and you're just having a nice interaction with a person in the masks. They hope you were the only thing i. His the materials should be weighted down. That was the one peril of doing. By Lake in New Hampshire is huge gust of wind capable of a sudden. The umbrella the table umbrellas when flying and I thought cove and won't get me, but I'll be impaled by an umbrella emblazoned with the Bud Light Logo So. To wait. To go jared, but one of the points of of the Boston Globe pizza it's just ran. A day or two ago about outdoor dating is. That! New England very lucky. Luke warm weather, so New Hampshire Boston Brookline were all having guth weather for. SPRITE is out, so I think it's a great way for them to. If they're back the water to do whatever they can to get the staff back and to get business back to me is gonNA. Come down the line when. they try to get diners to behave that way and the niners don't or pity. You have to observe certain rules, and they don't. Which is already happening in Los Angeles? Piece in the La Times that of almost a thousand restaurants that and reopened in some form or another in Los Angeles most people are not observing was the city's asking them to do to what the compliance going to be? What's going to happen? So that's the next step down the road. So. How do you feel my indoor dining, corby? I feel pretty uneasy about it. Because I think lots of stuff in my acid institute work right now we're. We're about to release the in addition to our safety guidelines, which is just for servers, but most of it is based on the idea of outdoors what we've just been talking about What do you do for the weights stations for table? So people don't congregate. There aren't too close to the diners. They're all these things that that that the restaurant owners and the servers because we're having representatives of a restaurant opportunities center to talk about what servers are most concerned about you know. What are they really worried about? But we're also very actively working on ventilation, design. Ventilation is the big open question and not an open question outdoors because There's very little evidence of like bad superstar event outdoors. If you are keeping them, kind of distance and people are in that. So I'm not so worried about to corby, we continue to understand the ripple effects of evolve the closures restaurants up until this moment as we're talking about, have been closed, so that means less demand for lobster. What is the effect? This is having on the fishermen, especially our friends to the north and main. Just, terrible fill the counter ran a really good first person account of a Maine lobster fisherman named Herman cougs with their great reporters Sam Block who talked about? After two thousand and eight, and I think nine eleven those have been the two huge drops in the price of lobsters and lobster market, but it's never been worse than now, and why is that because those were temporary disruptions in the demand? But now it's the restaurant we were just talking about. It's the restaurants that buy lobster. That's their big order. Big Mood Servers, not particularly colleges and the institutions that are closed its restaurant business, and so the price has just plummeted and so this this man comes. WHO's at least second generation was saying. Hey, I, just bought a boat. What is I'm really sorry. I bought this boat. What if my price goes down so far? That I'm losing money by fishing, also, he's saying he used to have a middle person who would help sell all the lobster that he holds them at three in the afternoon after leaving at dawn, but now he has to sit in the parking lot for three hours, trying to sell the stuff health, and so, what does that duty? His business plan to his day and also the idea, the social isolation. You know it's already going out on a lobster boat is really isolating in itself, but he was saying. I used to go in to repair my vote to repair my trap that the real at any of you know. Spend time with lobster fishermen, and they're mostly men, but not all. They have a lot of maintenance to do on their traps and phone and he was saying that the social activity was going into the general store was going into the hardware store, and now he doesn't have that because you go in you, order online or by the phone, and you're in the parking lot again, and they bring out your order so the idea. It was a really interesting look at life or four. For fishermen and I'm interested to see what it's like I'm not and I'd love to know what redeyebeets and the local. People who support Fisher Michigan People. AM fishermen would say. Corby one thing I don't understand about this. I mean tabloid, obviously for people that can't make a living with their lobster fishing boats, but wouldn't people. Regular people go into star market or their local lobster reach by tons of lobster, because it's so cheap, that doesn't really get dent in the problem. It is cheap, but it always that kind of retail market has always been a small portion evidently of the lobster wholesale business, which has been a huge places like legal seafood. Okay red carpet. Remember you mate Meat Eater! McDonald's gloves to roll. Yeah okay okay. Corby thanks a lot as usual. Great to speak with you. Toxin? Corby covered joins US regularly is the executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute. A senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at the Tufts Friedman School of nutrition, science and policy. COMING UP NEXT PAULA rebel joins us to talk through the new state guidelines for returning to school. Stay tuned eighty nine seven W. H. Boston public radio.
Corby Kummer Warns More Restaurants 'Will Die Without Dramatic Action
"Support for Boston public radio comes from literally farms committed to transforming the way food is grown in New England fresh lettuce harvested daily in Massachusetts all year round it's the local lettuce locals love learn more at literally farms, Dot Com history or simply relax and enjoy the outdoors more at the trustees dot org. To. Back. To Boston public radio. Marjorie. And Jim Bradley joining Salons Flirt with the latest headlines at the intersection of food and Poe football's info culture. This corporate comeback Corey is the executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program the Aspen Institute, a senior editor at the you have to work for the Atlantic to be on the show or what and a senior lecturer at Tufts Friedman School of nutrition. Science and Policy Low Corby Kummer Elo, who preceded me Juliette? Cayenne. Writing for the Atlanta good new piece. She doesn't great piece guys she always does. Not to mention nucor become real good a great piece coming up but before we get to your great piece Twenty, percent of all Massachusetts restaurants have closed for good because of corona virus. Do. You know it was a terrible report on CBS Boston which which film the Frat brothers actually maybe father and son but they were brothers in the north end about the terrible devastation of restaurants that. Some can stay open because they take out and they've got sidewalk seating and many cannot make the economics of four tables where there were twelve work. Even when indoor dining is permitted, twenty five, percent fifty percent, this is going to be impossible for a lot of restaurants. So every week we read the death toll, and in this piece, it was the poor house, the fours, cheers at final hall, and probably ill Molo, one of the fraud early brothers restaurants in the North End going to get worse and everything you read is it's going to be thirty to forty percent minimum of restaurants that don't reopen and this was saying twenty percent. By the way, I hope I can say with out sounding immodest. I think I've been as. Vocal about having a support restaurants anyway, we can as sort of the back small business background of all of our communities and places of great joy. But you know if the Boston, Globe is reporting the thirty plus restaurants that have closed in Boston and Boston is a huge part of the state's population. Does the twenty percent figure statewide. Not Sound a little. Heidi you. I'm not saying restaurants are not a colossal risk. But That would mean that Boston is doing far better than the rest of the state is that. Believable? Corby. Well you know I think it's believable probably because Boston restaurants had more capital. What I think is until Spring and understanding which restaurants can and can't survive the winter. We're not going to have an accurate count an accurate figure and and I think that's the news we're going to be bracing for. Denver I has this really nicely reported column in Tonight Globe about restaurant owners and what they're trying to do and and one of the owners of of Commonwealth Cambridge. All their business left because they're right in the middle of the tech between between the Museum of Science and Mit, it's all tech business corporate parties, MIT weddings, and they've got none of them right now. So he wrote a post for eater in which he was talking about shuttering the restaurant over the winter rather than haemorrhaging, it will be a slower bleed and he says it'll be twenty thousand dollars a month for all of us that would sound like a huge loss. But for other restaurants, it would be hundreds of thousands of dollars a month if they were employing staff keeping open. And yet having a fraction of their business. so He's been able to make this decision. He's able to float twenty thousand dollars a month because he's got other restaurants that are continuing but many restaurants this winter unless something changes dramatically will die. You know endeavors piece to make clear is about how those restaurants that have survived so far particularly with outdoor dining, which not all can do are going to survive the winter. Actually we're going to talk to our listeners about whether or not. They're willing to eat outside in the winter and there's some great things. There's this. What does it look rooftop? igloos. Where you sit. Ethic. Aplastic igloo propane heaters. I think our buddy Roger Berkowitz was talking about doing that some others worse one restaurant figure which one talking about Brandon blankets I love the idea still you. Still Water. So, you get a blanket with the logo of your favorite restaurant and they may be I. Think the owner said We'd sell a cost and so you stay warm when you're eating outside in the cold and. You get to take home a memento for a cheap price. I hope people don't think that's. His fantastical, the word. Is a word and I hope that they considered realistic I'm thinking of the beautiful terrace outside of stillwater. That's right on the greenway where the Chinese pavilion gardeners I mean it's a gorgeous spot. So I can imagine how really scenic that would be Boston doesn't have the anti propane laws at New York. City. Does so they're ordering Roger Berkowitz and others were saying they're ordering lots and lots of propane heaters and I, think is something we're going to get used to I think that we've talked about Norway and Sweden which have these year round outdoor restaurants because they've got a lot of propane heaters and really heavy blankets and sheepskin seats so if restaurants can afford that investment in these Yup Yup a big thing in Norway and Sweden and and the Scandinavian countries. You know they're gorgeous. They're comfortable and you feel really cozy and terrific I. You know I would not want to be a server and thinking about the gloves but if they can make it work, I think it's up to all of us to go dry to help them, make it work. You ever eaten outside and winter. I have. Yeah. Where Denmark Excuse me how painful was that? How painful was the experience? It wasn't painful because they had all these heat lamps and you know how beautiful the garden it only on it would be, which already has a lot of heat lamps they open to. The back I'll tell you I am a I'm so into it as are you not just that a loyalty to my favorite restaurants because it sounds like it's The thing I'm GonNa say it was later we do the talker of all the things you've done in the last six months in this joyless time that has brought you joy and a modicum of fun hasn't eating outside ended restaurant been right up there near the top Jim I went to eat in a parking lot stockyard right across the street from Gbh. It was as if I were going to the Ritz your marketing. Space. In the middle of Cambridge Street. Craggy. Parking lot I mean places some of these places your a little too close to the gas. But. You know from the cars and the buses, but you know something. Places have done like there's the Abbey here in Brooklyn near me this beautiful they built this beautiful outside wouldn't structure with the. Same deal for the size are open but thinking to myself. Corby this cost a ton of money to do all these accommodations not to mention how much it would cost to build Igloos like they have in the top of the envoy hotel. In every restaurant has to do is the calculation of how many staff will I have to hire back in order to keep any kind of service going what's the minimum amount of staff, and then can I make the numbers work out for the number of diners I'll be able to serve with with whatever provision they've got whatever the city of Boston is allowing them and whatever outdoor seating they can manage to scrounge invent for themselves. But the other problem here too is that you have to be pretty confident in your continuing source of income to even go to restaurants now because I think so many people. If. They have not lost their jobs yet, but they're very worried about losing their jobs. So that's the other thing. I think is gonNA be perilous for restaurants while those. Lucky enough to have a paycheck should be decent enough in generous enough the share with all business owners think run our favorite restaurants but I think that's that's fewer and fewer people who knows if they have guaranteed income. With in the mid closed I think. I know the you say that I think in terms of of course. Expendable. You can get rid of that luxury of restaurants you can't afford to eat out as much. But I'm also thinking of the huge amount of pent up demand because so few people who can afford it have had the chance to. So I hope that that would balance out I. Don't know we'll have to see. But yes, indeed those of us with a good fortune to be able to afford a restaurant meal, should we do everything? We can to help these restaurants survive. So Corby Kummer martyrs praising your review of a book by someone you admire. Perilous bounty. Tell us about it and tell us what you thought of it. It is a book about the damage. The food system is doing to the environment. Now, this sounds. So pre pandemic we used to be incredibly worried about single use plastic about straws getting up turtles, noses about the environmental hazards that beef caused and burping cows remember him there burps. They come out the front. So all these things that we would be constantly preoccupied about how our our choices and food helping or hurting the environment and I'm sure that people still care about that enormously. But like everything else has crowded out these considerations for our mind especially, of course, the cruelty of slaughterhouses, the incredible indifference to human life and the maiming of slaughterhouse workers that the meat packing companies have demonstrated in abundance in the most horrible lurid details since the pandemic, it's this human cost but indeed, the the environmental costs is still a adore. Tom Philpot is a great writer now from other Jones previously of Grist a writer and blogger and for years he's been working on a book about the environmental destruction of the food is you know it's not just to the environment it's to the farmers. So that was I opening to me all these huge farmers who get big government subsidies for soy and corn, which are the most profitable crops also the. monoculture of soy in Corinth throughout the midwest has depleted the soil helped ruin the environment, but they have miserable lives to their locked into contracts with companies as are the pig breeders and the and the poultry raisers. They don't have the freedom to raise what they want or cover crops because they've got such restrictive contracts at he makes it into just a a miserable system for pretty much everybody but small farmers. be calmer. It amazes me a red tide and Florida. Where the pollution causes all these thousands of fish to die and sometimes dolphins die and the stench is so horrible that people who live on. For example, the Gulf of Mexico and Florida can open their windows and those people are people of means for the most part you wonder why when your home is is so gross, you can't even open the windows by people don't rise up, but I don't think what's the matter with Kansas yeah, exactly. The pollution is continuing their pace all these articles which I've been obsessed with the global summer about a lake water being polluted on Cape. Cod all around the country and the Great Lakes etc it's happening and people are just not. Getting worked into a frenzy with that exact problem you mentioned not being able to open your windows because the stench is overwhelming. Yeah. Happens all around the pig manure lagoons about of Iowa and North Carolina and there was great and pioneering work done by journalists whose name I'm forgetting I think it was also published your mother Jones about redlining. So agricultural redlining that the only people who would buy the land adjacent to these huge concentrated animal feed lot operations k. photos were black farmers and people of farmers of color and they're the ones. whose lungs are being ruined by having to breathe in stuff because they were not allowed access to the good richer in every way, white farmland around them. So they were segregated off. So why don't they rise up because they don't have the economic power but what my point is about the red tide, these people do have the economic power people that have bought million dollar houses on lakes do have economic power. So I get it completely if you're struggling to put food on the table but if you're loaded, that's what I don't get. Feel they can't they can't change it. They can't do anything about it. You, know Corby Speaking of disgusting, statistics, did you not right in your review of this perilous down you're talking about these pig manure lagoons, which I'm sure people are dying here more about what was the statistic? There was something like fifty five pounds of that stuff lately it's this wonderful horrible term which is fecal equivalents. Oh, that's what it was. Looking at the huge number of hogs and chickens in Iowa for every single person between the leading producer of eggs who knew I remember and so there's a ton of chickens and pigs in Iowa you have fifty five fecal equivalents for every actual person in Iowa. Exactly, it means that these animals are producing so much manure and thus so much pollution to the land and water where the sewer where the sewage gets dumped that it's as if there were fifty five times, the number of people producing that much sewage that the environment had to somehow absorb or process nother reason for mandatory mask order which bio onto we're talking to. Corey Coming Corby I. Felt we had a good news moment with you. Last week we're talking about I may get this little wrong. So please help me out. Didn't the USDA change the Department of Agriculture, change its rules to ensure that every kid regardless of income if they wanted. A meal. GotTa meal and if I'm right about that and you have interrupted me so I assume at least close on the heels of that we read a piece. I think it's an NPR piece I'm not sure. About children going hungry and that only fifteen percent I think was the number in the NPR report of low income households. Kids in low income households are getting meals to which they were entitled. So if I'm real close to the right, where's the disconnect in this story? It was real not so fast abernathy moment because there we were scratching our heads why with the trump administration do anything that seemed remotely. and. And my spouse would say, we're called that the waivers were extended only through December, which is to say the minute the election was over, they would they would take the waivers away. The waivers would allow schools to give families as many meals as there were kids in the family even if only one kid was enrolled in the scribe, that's and they were. Horrified by the idea that after Labor Day, they would have to start denying families that were used to getting their meals for their whole families anything, but the one meal for the child who was in the school system. Well, the real reason is so few families can get themselves to the pickup sites for the school meals. Now, if schools being remote in most places. it's seventy to ninety percent. Uptake on the number of eligible families who are getting their meals because they have to go to work because they don't have ways of getting to the drop off sites because the school systems have been able to mobilize their bus routes as many school systems have to bring the meals to drop off places and so at and so there's there's been one really good fix that was not. Extended, and that was called pandemic e-bt. So if your family, it was already on snap or your kids were permitted to get family meals at schools. You could get that money the equivalent of the school lunch money put right onto your e bt card suit could use food stamps and snap to buy wherever you were wherever you went out and got food you could get it. For and give your kids food but now that has been restricted to. So you have to physically show up at the school drop off point or you don't get the meals you I hate to end with criticizing your spouse's at an lustrous career but. If the this how to explain this act of humane? Humane Act on the part of the president. Why. Wait till December to cancel it. Why not canceled program on November four? Maybe. They were actually going to announce the second week of November. But they were faking people out with the December debt maybe God. Pay Corby. Thank you as always for your wonderful. Thank you, Corby. Corby Kummer is executive director of the food and society, policy, program at the Aspen Institute a senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at the tops Friedman School of nutrition science and Policy Kobe. Thanks a lot coming up. Corona viruses made may leading out all about eating outdoors. We're taking your calls asking if you're ready to continue. Talking yes in a blizzard. Mattie. Glue. Eighty nine, seven Gbh possible the gravy. 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Corby Kummer: Safely Celebrating Thanksgiving Amid Pandemic
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It is my prescription and it is the cdc's prescription as of this morning Which i'm very glad to see the safest way to celebrate. Thanksgiving says the cdc in new guidance as of this morning is to celebrate at home with the people you live with. And you show what has happened. Post-election pre certification but post-election result the cdc is like suddenly got its backbone. Critical phase said dr henry walkie instant managers. Cdc's recommending against travel. We are alarmed. Good what we should be hearing every day from the cdc. We should be hearing every day with their thinking. Absolutely you know is funny. You mentioned that. The cdc seems to have gotten its it's mojo back. It's incredible i guess because they figure the guys on the way out they don't have to worry about what he says anymore or the people that do have to worry not worried about their jobs. What's your analysis kirby the they've been just as good as they've always been and there. Scientists have been working just as hard. They've just been suppressed. They've been muffled. They've been threatened with a mass loss of their jobs if they're considered to say anything against the trump administration and finally they can regain their places. The world's top Disease investigator in public health agency. But it it'll take a while. Well i think one of the silver linings perhaps about this and we were talking about this earlier in the show. What do you do if you're not going to do the traditional thanksgiving in terms of gathering There are lots of options out there. including a patronizing restaurants There's we just heard yet. Another story of the deluxe town diner in in watertown which is has has its customers rallying to support them. So i think there are a number of ways but tell us a number of ways in which you can do thanksgiving differently. And or patronize institutions. That you love at the same time but tell us what's happening with deluxe town diner well first of all you mentioned deluxe luxton diner which is one of my favorite spots. I wish i lived closer to it but it's been run by the same family for decades. That family is incredibly your first of all. They have a child. Who's the head of a big public health organization. So they're completely though public health that they've been devoted to the community. And it's the kind of place i think. The couple that owned it bought it after having many different kinds of businesses. That were successes. They just decided we want to give to our community and now we all have to give back to them. They started a gofundme me saying in order to keep the doors open during this crisis during all of our layoffs. We're going to have to ask for your help and a gofundme campaign but you know really what is better jared and marjorie than a hot turkey sandwich. Nothing on bad white bread salty brown gloppy gravy. I don't think there's an end mashed potatoes on the side. So that is my choice for thanksgiving takeout meal. And i'm not even kidding. We have very good friends in philadelphia. Who have the same date at the same diner downtown philadelphia. Every thanksgiving where they have the open face turkey sandwich because it is an american classic and the best eight thanksgiving so it corby kummer now that we're also paranoid rightfully so about eating inside. Apparently the early bird special has a new lilt in. Its step to deal with the early. I love story that that four thirty o'clock or the new eight thirty nine like ultra-sophisticated. It's my european late lunch but what it is is it's my european american way of not taking three hours to defrost my toes when i come home And so lots of restaurants that never had any kind of early business are suddenly seeing that four. Thirty five people who want to break from spending. As yesterday i spent eleven hours on zoom with a forty five minute break and my story is common and so as soon as you can get off zoom at four thirty or five you get the heck out able to actually exercise your eyes which is so essential after hours straight on zoom and you can go sit outside before as a actually a restaurant critic of my recently wrote at four o'clock. I'm going out for a walk before. Darkness covers the face of the earth. So if you want to do the same thing and get to a place that has outdoor seating and actually be able to look at your diner in your mask while the server is at in her or his mask. That's the time to go. And i think it's a great idea and then you get home and you can binge watch netflix till In an entire season or something till eleven. That is extraordinary. Part of it is. Because i did. This recently. actually had a four o'clock reservation. Which is. I'm an early riser. Anyway so it was kind of heaven for me. But then i got home and i thought oh my goodness if the entire knight's still to go so for dinner. They gave you a four o'clock reservation. I wonder if that's a new thing to was five right. I talked to the woman there and and this is also borne out of the regulations. That are happening here in massachusetts to where they have to wrap up versus you. Yeah on the other side And frankly i think the staff appreciates us too so they're not especially now as she also explained Now that they're having to set up extra equipment heaters now. Maybe even these igloo things they go late into the night into the freezing cold having to take apart dismantle seatings outside that they never had to do before. I'm sorry. I really disapprove of those. Igloos i i you know i. I've been looking at lots of pictures of sidewalk. Beautifully designed blonde wood and glass Cupboards essentially little tiny compartments that. A friend of mine Emailed from greenwich village his sidewalk and he said it looks like a european traveling card and indeed it was fabulous looking but i looked at those little glass enclosed plastic closed compartments. And i thought deathtraps. And that's what i think whenever i look at igloos bad for the servers where i really care about as worker health. What if you yourself. The diner going with people. You don't necessarily know you're just losing all chance of all that outdoor fresh air circulation. That's the whole point of outdoor dining. We talking to corby kummer. Our food man speaking of Bad for workers. We've talked a lot with you. Corby during the trump administration about the regulations that the president has taken away and made much worse for workers much worse actually for the safety of the people that are eating the food all across the country and the farm people That you know just working on the forest but are going to eat the food from the farms. So what can biden do if he chooses to reverse some of this. Well you know we have said that. Finally the cdc is getting its back so osha. Occupational safety and health administration has been shockingly negligent. I delicately said in a review got to right of an environmental book in the new york times that they the castration of osha. they have been completely disempowered. they are letting meat-packing agencies allow in one smithfield sioux falls. South dakota thirteen hundred. People got the virus for died. Hundreds of people in meat packing plants have died And and the trump administration took its republican friends and Smithfield enticing people to heart and seto. they're essential workers for us. Essential workers meaning they. The companies could absolve themselves of responsibility. So what the biden administration can do is direct osha to enforce its policies. Because it's been turning a blind eye even if it has policies but what this very good story from the food environment reporting network that Their partner mother jones ran pointed out. Is that certain states like california. Have their own versions of oceans. They have statewide osias and they have been active and they've been protecting agricultural workers and food system workers but it's time for the feds to step back up where they need to be well corey. Can you walk us through a few. We know these brands. We we know these companies where some of these major incidents have happened. who are they. Oh they're tyson foods of their smithfield. Their packers i'm forgetting the name of the huge one there olsen meet deal poultry over hill farmers putin pittman family farms duncan family farms. These are names of people who have been fined by the california version of osha. The point is that So much of this goes into big supermarket. House label brands white label brands. That we don't know That it's come from these plants that are doing absolutely nothing to predict their workers health There was a really horrifying story by jane. Mayer in the new yorker of one baltimore based Sorry he lives in louisville but the plant. he's an owner who is a huge trump friend and all he cares about is evangelical christianity and contributing to trump. meanwhile his immigrant workers at a baltimore. Chicken processing plant. Were getting sick by the dozens and many were dying. Yeah once again i. It just kills me. That people tired of themselves as big christians. And they do these things. I i don't know if we can should keep calling them christians. I think we should call evangelical pseudo christians or claim to be christians or generalizing because so many of our friends are devout christians and they have wonderful values but you know massachusetts itself has a really good organization called the national council for occupational safety and health. It's based in massachusetts and they've been good watchdogs for osha and saying that The industry has been very. Ill prepared to protect workers so we have organizations like our own massachusetts council for occupational safety and health trying to urge the feds to do the right thing again so corp become a fascinating story in the counter on the counter dot org about dinner table issues. A short history of how the became like a political. They talk about gretchen. Whitmer the governor of out there in michigan who had the terrible kidnapping plot launch against her talked when she's running for office and when she's greeting people that she she's concerned about dinner table issue. She's worried about Dinner table issues dinner table issues over again. There's a little story about the history of dinner table issues and how they became a political thing. An who knew. I didn't know that. Hillary clinton who got lambasted and is to this day for saying. I'm not gonna stay home and bake cookies and every cookie. Baking mother and person in america still has not forgiven her or impugning baking which is indeed a very great thing to do. It is hillary clinton who started saying on the campaign trail. I've i've sat a lot of kitchen table. I listened to what's keeping people up at night. Obama echoed that language but this article in the talked about how recent is for politicians to say. I care about kitchen table issues. It's only since the late seventies early. Eighties says really surprised. This like very interesting linguistic history that the couch or ran about kitchen table issues their new which are also that not the issues. The candidates necessarily adopt international affairs in major platform issues. But these go to the what you would find the kitchen table. The thing the things that people sit down and talk about at the end of the day because they're omnipresent in everyday lives so part of everyday conversation and part of everyday activities like eating at the kitchen table. It's politicians who are trying to say. I am in touch with my people with my electric but The article which has it causes a lot of african american Cultural historians has therese nelson new york based chef and founder of a group thousands in call the black culinary history. Facebook group said you know whenever. I hear politicians use these kinds of metaphors. I mean i think they mean what does that good wholesome god-fearing white couple with two kids care so you know who is at the kitchen table. So who is worried about There is another thing this. Which is harry and louise or member. Anti universal healthcare act which is something that also got poor. Hillary clinton big trouble. There was recent the advertising agency said it a recent ad that harry lost his job and his insurance. Louise died shoes. Yeah there was a couple that was sitting complaining about the healthcare bill. Yeah they were at their at their kitchen table saying it. Essence look with these democrats are gonna strip you of everything that's keeping you alive. Yeah yeah we're gonna talk a little bit later in the show about restaurants in in boston and obviously they're in big trouble all across the country. Why do you think we've been so slow here even in massachusetts to do anything to bail out these restaurants which are hanging on by their fingernails. If they're hanging out at all and haven't closed already. I don't know why the general population has not seen that hotels. Tourism and especially restaurants to their favorite restaurants are the small businesses that have been decimated slaughtered mass extinction by having to shut down during the pandemic It seems so nakedly transparent. The government aid is the only thing and i heard I got to eavesdrop on public health. Call this morning in which Somebody to health consortium that involves a lot of Major cities said we have to get the federal government to pay restaurants to stay shut Because that is the best thing for public health not to have indoor dining. I was very startled to see that barbara ferrer along a boston. Public health official. Now the la county health commissioner last night announced fifty percent outdoor seating restrictions in los angeles which has not allowed indoor dining at all. They've been much stricter than the rest of the state of california. But when you're imposing these burdens these these lethal blows on restaurants. It's up to the government to keep them alive and you know scandinavia. Everybody points to scandinavian. Lighten they said to restaurants. We're going to pay your employees during this. They're going to keep getting minimum wage tips account. Remember but we're going to keep paying a wage to your employees until the pandemic is over and us has never gone in and said there needs to be an exception. The new york times is lead. Editorial today lena tori not even an opinion column. The new york times itself said save restaurants. Keep people alive by keeping restaurants alive while they weather this and take the best public health measures they can which right now sadlier gonna mean more and more restrictions on indoor dining and for la county outdoor dining but you got to have a massive government bailout for restaurants and. I hope you're going to have somebody from jody adams. Ken orange tony mawes. They've all been very joanne chang. They've all been very active in lobbying. The massachusetts state house for its own a restaurant relief. Bill there's a restaurants act That's been co-sponsored in congress and it has hundreds of votes it needs it. Needs hundreds more to pass. But it's been remarkably well adopted and that's what the new york times was advocating today. There has to be government relief to keep restaurants alive. Yeah we're talking about Nia grace who Bought douse corner bar and kitchen back restaurant in in boston. She's going to update us on what's going into rally vocal about the legislature has done nothing is legislature has done nothing about almost anything. I mean it's really pretty bad but anyway yeah that's right. It's a great point. Jared so i'm more upbeat note core. Become a food man. Why should we buy pies. And what is the do 'cause we should be buying them for community. Servings of course jamaica play the center of the universe. Okay so what is this every year the biggest fundraiser of community servings which delivers New very nutritious meals and at least sixteen. Different flavors in different varieties depending on illness medically tailored meals All over the state now. It's extended its range beyond the boston area to all over. The state has an immensely successful fundraiser year. In which you order pies you pick them up. Next tuesday not Not wednesday the day before thanksgiving and you you serve them to. According to the center for disease control only the people you are living way of the casinos although the those are the only people and if you were living by yourself you're going to have a great pie. You can freeze half of it and you can eat half of it by the end of thanksgiving weekend and what i was hearing on a community servings call last night was that Almost all almost all the many thousands of pies that they prepared for have been sold. So i think you have to go straight onto servings dot org to the website to see if you could still pick up a pie next tuesday but it. It's a great 'cause it's a great It's a great boston phenomenon. In general could work for them for years. Corby kummer. So congratulations to you. Congratulations to them. Very inspiring well. Thank you so much cory cummock. Thank you enjoy your thanksgiving pies that you will eat in splendid solitude or in blended family pods. Okay eat the whole pie in the. Just sit there with the pie. Borrow the julia child who is going to see a several pies. I could eat entire cream. I love cream pies. People think you're awful. They're not a community. Servings offering you make a special exception for you. Okay so okay corby have a good thanksgiving such as it will be this year food right. Turkey sandwich yeah. He joins us every week. He's executive director of the food and society policy program at the aspen institute senior editor at the atlantic and a senior lecturer at the tufts friedman school of nutrition science and policy. Coming up one bad move by apple can spoil an entire thanksgiving tech writer. Andy nocco joins us to talk about. How bad pr for apple turned into a win for pbs. And all the charlie brown fans. 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Whole Foods Gets Called Out For Its Misleading Animal Welfare Labels
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You're looking fetching today corby you. Here's the king fetching. Either by the way what's going on am not going to test my ear lobes either. I didn't need to share that. But i can't be the only one anyway. Corby kummer on. I think everybody's had this experience at the beginning of the pandemic you know. We couldn't couldn't get any toilet. Paper couldn't get any paper towels. Then they started coming back. But so many times. I've gone into cvs or a star market or wherever it is and found the emptied out of something unexpected these big gaps on the shelves where products used to be by the dozens. So what's going on. Its flaws on the supply chain so one of the things that happened right after the pandemic was remember the millions of chickens and pigs killed. You know. I'm trying to get the image of your lobes out of everybody's mind kasai lunch. Time never should have a horrible animal slaughters Millions of eggs being thrown away because the supply chain either goes to retail stores or to restaurants and food institutions like campuses and universities. So there isn't a robust. There aren't alternatives to the current supply. Chain more and more companies like walmart. We're doing hub and spoke to try to get regional centers. That would improve this. But it's still a problem. One of the things that also happened is that companies have greatly reduced the variety of products they ship. Yeah so you won't find forty. You won't quite eighty kinds of soup. One soup company has gone to forty eighty. I have to say. I like that idea fewer but better options. Let's have all low sodium soups. You know i'm gonna be king. And i'm gonna do nutritional standards for all of it but i think we are going to see fewer products and there will be these lapses in supply. And all i think about that kind of a guy is where to truckers. Go to the bathroom. Because one of the big problems in the supply chain in the first months of the pandemic was nobody would let truckers and use their baths silly. Soon as i read this. I think about them. You know it's figure fewer choices. What do you think of right away. The cheesecake factory. But that's a topic for another. The mother was a great things. A photograph one of the bibles that one of the either harris or biden was sworn in. Yesterday was really thick bible and wanted. Somebody tweeted yesterday. Oh that's cheesecake factory menu. So i thought that was pretty pretty funny but getting back to the super mars this whole notion. I'd like the notion of fewer choices to frankly it makes life a little bit easier however anybody who's in the trend business and gets actually paid to be talking about trends in an industry just rubs me the wrong way. The person who wrote the piece that we read. We're talking about a whole bunch of things that he or she thinks are going to happen. The only thing that made sense to me is that grocery stores are probably in the business figuring out how in the post vaccine but still anxiety period. Let's say later this year. They're gonna try to change operations so that the average customer can spend less time in the building than they did before. That's the one that makes sense to me to you to y- let's talk about that because one of the trans predicted is something that and maybe the writer of this washington post piece. Remember this but the idea that your dry good you'll ordering advanced from an app. You'll walton as hooper market and you will pick your produce. Pick your dairy the perimeter stuff. That's fun and you want your individual choice of which carrots while you'll fetch and pick up at the cash register your pre-ordered dry goods. So amazon had already announced that they were gonna re supermarkets this way so they would have like big windowless caverns in the back of supermarkets with a couple of frantically. Overworked workers this is the distortion view of this desperately. Trying to fill your order to meet you at the cash register with with your dry goods. I think this is the way supermarkets are going to go so there will be smaller floor space and viewer employees and more robots in the back. You know speaking of Amazon which owns whole foods. Now your whole foods. Has this animal welfare labelling system you know where you go in. And you look into whether animals are raised in the least restrictive ways kind way to the worst nightmare This story from Civilly believes dot com. Makes me nervous about whether this is legit scam. You know. it's a very layered story. First of all. Let's give a shout to the writer whose name is lisa held because from the beginning of the pandemic she is the one who tracked worker deaths and illnesses in slaughterhouses. It was it was. She's done pioneering work so this is a very long story about different animal. Welfare standards which you marjorie often bring up and whole food gets dinged They get dinged because first of all they did. A voluntary compliance. They decided that they weren't going to go with the animal welfare society or humane certification or anybody else's they were going to do their own standards and they would put their own welfare labe animal welfare label on their goods. That should always raise red flags if the company is doing its own certification. Who's checking independent to verify. What's happening so this article doesn't talk about who's actually checking it does talk about. Is there five levels of nirvana before you get to actual what we would consider super humane practices. Which are the top two. But the problem is that whole foods. Just slaps own gap odd I can't remember what it stands for. It's a strange acronym They Global animal partnership they slap thorough label on the product without saying. Is it just taking the baby steps. We want to encourage to go from level five the lowest standard up to levels to in one. Which is what we really like to believe in. it doesn't have that gradation. And so it's very hard to make an informed choice and they're kind of virtue signaling or or humane washing. This article uses instead of greenwashing to say. Oh look we're selling all Humanely raised chicken or eggs whereas it's a whole spectrum that they're allowing we're talking to Corby kummer speaking of whole foods. Can we talk about. jeff bezos. Want i'm sorry for people who are trying to do this. We just stopped eating meat and eggs. Well i mean it's not just meat and eggs because we were talking about the tortured cows. Last week i get so upset about the house. I went to whole foods. Look for milk. That looked like it wasn't tortured. Cows and i really couldn't tell because some of them said local but it didn't say how they raise their cows and stuff and i guess guilt propelled person when it comes to this kind of things but i don't like to mammoth big milk drinker. You know are we just left to. There's no alternative to know that you're doing the right thing so far. They're having to the dairy farm. There is no And hoping they're telling you the truth exactly. The problem is whenever you look at a beautiful happy cow on a label. You have no idea if that corresponds in the slightest to the condition. I thought it was a photograph of cow given the milk. It's not giving the milk a your individual box. Jim your personal. That's right personalization on instagram. There are national societies of. And you know the problem is reading this article humane and welfare started to merge in my mind and i forgot which one is a good one good one is animal welfare not humane and so if you look for that standard it's independent but no you're not going to know it's very hard to keep track of all these different certifications the other thing when we're criticizing whole foods or not differentiating and it's five rungs of its own gap certification is there justification is. We're encouraging all of our suppliers to do something and if it takes them a while to be able to retool their processes. That's the way this works. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Be glad that anybody wants to participate in our program. So it's this whole complicated dance. But i would much rather have a national standard like the organic standard because terms like natural no regulation. They be nothing. Anybody can use all natural and free range. Neither of them has any accepted or regulated definition marjorie number. Three on the one to five scale means didn't torture that much that's number three on the list is which is so speaking of. That's all there is to. It was just gonna say we continued margin. I have this behavior that every time. We talk about amazon's speaking of whole foods. jeff bezos. We criticize him for torturing his workers and all the horrible things he does and say what hypocrites we are for using amazon and then we go use amazon and we sort of feel. At least i do that. If i sam hypocr hypocrite. I've sort of covered my bases here. But i was reading the story there while he there are unions amazon warehouses in europe. I guess they're none. As far as i know in the united states is a union drive voting starts in february in in best morale. I think is where it is. I went to the website this morning that they establish with called do it without dues dot com and is somebody who ran you. Know a lot of union organizing campaigns in my former life and dealt with a lot of anti union campaigns it is deceptive and unfair and every negative adjective can think and you know and the basic argument of course is because they don't the only reason anyone could ever want a union according. Jeff bezos is because you just want more money it has nothing to do with a power-sharing thing which is what most unions care about in two thousand and twenty one the whole thing is about saving five hundred dollars each of you so i'll keep running for just one more second corporate. I did the math. Today they're fifty eight hundred workers in that plan who is saying. Don't give up the five hundred dollars in dues. The five hundred dollars dues for this fifty eight hundred workers would cost roughly three million dollars for the whole workforce. Jeff bezos makes. I did the math today. Thirteen point four million dollars an hour. Let me repeat that thirteen point. Four million dollars an hour. So if jeff bezos actually cared about democracy in the workplace he could donate fifteen minutes of pay for one day of the year to cover the union dues for all of his workers and then everybody would be happy. I'm actually disgusted with myself. That i continue to patronize this guy. I am done go ahead. corby hello. i don't believe you that you are done with amazon okay. Every week we're going to have to have a gym amazon chick. It's insane you. Who spent a lot of your life. Organizing workers to unionize should be able to marshal the arguments for owners. Which are we are allowing more efficiency mobility We're hiring thousands of people a day which this article about. The unionization of dr says amazon is in fact doing their among the biggest job creators of the entire pandemic so we are putting people back to back to work. What is your beef so to speak. Your beef in part is one. We want to be part of the decision making process here particularly in light of the fact in the last nine a mere twenty thousand of your workers. Mr bezos have come down with corona virus. While you say these are the safest places to work in the united states so all we want to be able to do is the share some decision making with you have some power in that regard and maybe we deserve better pay and benefits minimum. We deserve better protection of our health than you've given us. That's a fairly decent response. Except that. Except that i believe that amazon has taken more efficient steps to protect the health of its workers. I don't remember. But i know that people who have been trying to help the incoming administration devised plans for protecting workers have have looked at what amazon does simply because they have so many employees. They are managing human beings and distribution on such a scale and one of the great twitter. Memes is have enough vaccine vaccinate one hundred million people the way to do it is ask amazon to do it because they are so. But you know shopping efficient if i can. I'm not quarreling with the efficiency but margarine. I've mentioned this only about a thousand times. Frontline did a wonderful documentary on bazo. Send work. And while i'm talking about the one particularly on amazon and the thing i learned there which i didn't know before one of the reasons they're able to be so efficient. We may have even discussed this. This is just one example of the brilliance and i would argue venality of basis. Do you know that there are certain standards. On delivery vehicles federal standards on delivery. Vehicles that Companies up to live up to in terms of safety and all that sort of thing and that amazon insures that all of their delivery vehicles are something like an inch short of whatever. The measurement would be That would cause them to be mandatorily subject to federal safety regulations so are free of those regulations so of course they can be efficient and get your package on time and move vaccines and they've made that offer to do. It is because they don't play by the same rules that everybody else plays by. So i have to say if there was ever a place in my estimation based on my reading and viewing of the last couple of years. That could use a little more democracy in the workplace. It's places jeff bezos calls home. So i'm going to just throw a sheet over your head to say. Hey i'm changing the subject and you won't notice and this what is tragedy of regulation is when you want for example to impose nutrition regulations on food stamps on snap or on school food. The notorious truth is the minute you put one restriction on it manufacturers will retool their food so that they are one millimeter away. And it's still like nutritious. But that's that's a that's an indictment no says that the cornucopia good resource resource for reviews and food stuff. Do you know about them. There's got a day. Always their big organic whistle blower so when horizon organics was Not trading animals well and making a lot of deceptive claims about your cows marjorie keeping them confined but claiming that they were free range. It was coronary copious that did reports great on animal welfare deceptive claims about organic standards that was from joy. Thank you very much joy for sending that. I can look them up. So so how much are we supposed to tip. During the pandemic corby kummer minimum percent and twenty five thirty percent. These are my pastries. I'm holding up on bag to make you incredibly jealous. Corinne pops with sugar on them. They're empty. They're called shoot of the best thing in the world and tat. Totta has them locally and one day joanne. Chang will make them at flower. But in any case i routinely add more than double the amount of the check because it's a very modest check coffee and a couple pastry You should you know. Use your conscience. Let your conscience be your guide marjorie. But excessively and i say minimum twenty five percent the absolute decent minimum is twenty percent but for whom by the way just one side people were going to get into it again. People on the taught front. If that's how you pronounce it should read the globe stories about some allegations about racial bias in the workplace as we're in the midst of this Racial reckoning thing but a stepping aside from that minute twenty percent for who for example. I don't know if i've said this to you is while i still. Don't you ever use the food delivery thing. Thanks to your advice. Corby other than if it's delivered by the the restaurant or food service itself not by door dash or overeat so that sorta stuff. I have been using as got more nervous about the this pandemic instacart and stuff like that and They they make the representation that the whole tip to the delivery person. Whatever amount you put in does go to the delivery person. I guess my. I have two questions first. Question is is that true or they have. Is that true. It's true that they're claiming. Let's let's go on roy. And secondly what should he be tipping them should you be tipping them Twenty percent who you're talking about for the twenty percents the main problem with these with these with uber and grubhub is you can tip them you think on the app but then they will use som- horrible clawback mechanism to say you know this ride. It didn't quite meet our standards and and we're paying you better than we were before so we're just going to apply that tip to what we're paying you so they have unbelievably complicated as of taking those tips away. Nothing beats cash in the hand cash in the hand because he just give them cash jim we but one of the beauties of and by the way it's one of the i don't mean that it has matsuda the office yesterday. We were all barris for them. But you know and there's also a great let me just say this is a great piece in one of the pieces we read about tipping grand pandemic for those with mardian. I've gone out of our way. I this is not the paracels back even during pledge. A lot of people can't afford virtually anything these days but they say for those who can afford something but maybe not as generous as you're suggesting they're saying an order from restaurants that have lower menu prices so you have an ability to compensate the person who's doing a delivery or the workers there at at a little bit higher level. I mean i. I am this. Tipping matters in all times margarine. Talk about it a lot on the air as you know gorby even in non pandemic times if there was ever a time when people who can't afford it like me and marjorie night zoom. You have to be as generous as they can possibly be to keep people afloat. This is the time this is so. Let me my most observant catholic friend. Why am i starting that way. Because charity is her life she goes to cvs and she buys a lot of business envelopes the little envelope and she fills them with five dollar bills so she doesn't have to go in her wallet. I'll have to actually get quite that close to a person. If that person is not wearing a mask jim and she simply hands and out so one dollar could do but you can just develop new mechanisms for having a sheaf of these envelopes in your pocket. Okay now i have a question. Now is the king of all media. he's off recognize. I mean most of the time it's recognized wherever he goes so jayme okay. You haven't left the house in three months but when you did in those in those house lot cape they recognized you jim nez. Oh that's jim brownie from w. g. b. h. Then you're really. Then you're really gonna antioch pa. What do you do that marguerite before. Let me to say this. I if i may defend myself. I have many qualities that i'm not proud right. Great tipper let me be clear. Why stiffed all the waiters. When you were fifteen years old for on that. Actually he did he tell you he treated them like crap that no but every single person who's worked in a restaurant as a kid you did. Did you ever work in a restaurant. Corby i can't believe we don't know the answer that you didn't well. I was in the catskills for four summers busboy. And waiter margin we do the red retro. Whatever it was. If you've worked for now you understand how tips are in your life particularly in tough times like this. So it's one of the few areas that i'm particularly sensitive. Jimmy now felt fairly back home on furlough he was with. My father was not incarcerated. He was this he never told my mother he was this bar. We didn't know too late in life bar. He may have taken some money from his clients that he wasn't entitled to but i'm not sure and even then tip for it. It's a pleasure as always talk to you. Great to see thank you. Thank you very much. You can get to everything. But that's okay. We have to talk about jim in his late father late father. May he rest in peace. Okay five. Kobe camera joins every week. Thank you very much later. Corporate executive director of the food and society policy program of the aspen institute. A senior at the atlantic is senior lecturer. At the top speed school attrition science and policy coming up with four hundred thousand dead united states. Coronavirus variant churning. Its way through the country something. The vaccine should be mandatory. I mental essences. Dr kaplan join us for that more. 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Getting to know Living Proof | Michael Shaun Corby
"The world's most brilliant gem it's an ethically sound revolutionary product and Charles and Colbert that gives more if that sparkling fire an eye-catching brilliance than any other you know what I love for my to do I love for it to sparkle to catch the eyes and exudes style taste confidence it's why I love moisture night all those tracks have now been covered and now we're the number one city for cars well thank goodness taxis depressing right originating from Mit Michael Sean Kobe who is the global creative director of the brand joins me to explain why limitations of conventional products provide the starting point for the problem solving solutions living proof has created including a dry shampoo that actually cleans the hair doesn't just so but all the tracks and covered them so la has been a one point like in the thirties forties fifties where we were ahead of the game with public transportation but recycled precious metals there are hundreds of beautiful styles to choose from over on their website whether you're in the market for some classic stunts statement ring or particular type uh just over and lifts got we had a train and we had tracks and then somehow a company like Michelin or one of the tire companies Greece and there's so much more in this episode Michael Sean talks to me about the things we all want to do and the products living proof has created to achieve them how to not Cova now learn more and get exclusive savings at Charles and Kovar Dot com forward slash emigrants that's Charles and Kovar dot com forward slash Emma gun so you'll see what I mean we have a lot of fun that's all I'll say all the links will be in the show notes he is making his debut on the show it is Michael Sean Corby global creative director ration- with living proof. Hello Hi and welcome to the Magan Show I am your host emigrant award now and joining me in this episode is Michael Sean Corby from living because I get jets do Michael Colby the global creative director of living proof hello and welcome alot on thank you for having me now we've just been talking about Lucien airy product women they don't just like it they love it they're obsessed with it I didn't event two weeks ago thousands of women lined up just to sort of show their love for dry shampoo why I mean I think it's as simple as it actually not my personal favorite is Asher maybe there might that oval anyway there's so much to choose from that it just makes sense to head over to the feeling good throw in some bacon I mean I guess the issue here is that people have just been your head needs and the hacks that everyone needs to know to better understand there there's a fair amount of shade cost and thrown at me about my gloss hair don't listen in this episode is brought to you in caliber reef living proof is the Heck Brown that strives to solve the toughest beauty challenges and they do this by scientific innovations and painted technologies. So I'm I was just telling you a story before we came online and I'm going to tell on this podcast because I have just been away with a group of bt colleagues living proof on the emigrant show so this is great accustomed to the ones that have been around for you know nearly one hundred years from France and spray it in it's a powder and exactly and even grocer the sweat right because after a workout I never split never never let them see me doing it and so the you said it absorbs some of the oil pretty much leaving in and so we created something that actually absorbs all the dirt and the oil and about the year Michael Sean in the same way that you might be Sarah Jessica Jane Marianne or Billy Bob is so you're not just a Mike and then shampoo your hair with that motion of your hands and all of it goes away and motion that you can't see listen so you don't have a truck you know very good drive what you know about living it's really caught on at some popular spin classes and and in communities where people are exercising a lot and something that you could just spray on leave on for thirty seconds wiggling their hands through it immediately it's not a styling product it's meant to clean your hair you would never just poor shampoo on your hair and say how do I look and we were talking about living proof around the breakfast table and they all took the dry shampoo and I just said something like I think if it seems I mean I think it weighs my head down and the entire table almost got to their feet and just went as you using it wrong and never happened but it's absorbing it's like millions of little mops sponges absorbing the oil and the sweat and the odor and it needs time to do its job another had my colleagues turn on me experience like a Salem witch trial couldn't you know it's just this product is become a rebel it cleans your hair okay when I think of joy dumping I just think it's something that soaks up the debt and despise me time between Mike Crappy last spray you do right let it let it do its thing and what's happening is the we're based in MIT scientists. And I know we'll talk about that at some point give it maybe frontal Mississippi to Mrs About Thirty Mississippi's Ya how `Bout Sixty Mississippi's leave it in their thirty seconds to a minute from the as you think it's amazing to me like I'll meet women and they'll say I love you dry shampoo and then they use it wrong right in front of me you know they they spray it and Start Wow oh my God I hate my gaps that somebody was like Hey Mike I it just sounds like I dunno like I should be driving a truck or something nothing wrong with that the how do you just stay in the same place and walk you know the I've got the legs I try and occasionally in people say oh it's white I do I've dark-haired white and I say well you know so is your shampoo like the foam of shampoo is white otherwise you would think there's something wrong with that the dry shampoo isn't the only product from living proof and so I wondered if you could tell me a little bit about living proven how where it all started because king has on this but this cleans it cleans it so I guess what you're used to it's just dumping a bunch of cornstarch on your head or something which I think is Mitee biotech scientists and When you bring those two together when you bring hairdressers like myself that were like everything's the same sir working for okay so he's they should I lift up sections spraying the roots leave it then you have scientists from Mit who really you know they know preconceived notions no expectations they're working on pharmaceuticals and you know biotech science so they really didn't know what to expense expect so the first thing they did was they looked at the existing products and they found that they this is the same thing and it just carries it all the way you're going to feel the gunk you know on your fingertips and you're GonNa see it go away from your that's actually cleaning their and that's why you're friends aw pretty much had the same exact ingredients in different concentrations and so their scientific brain wasn't what's on trend what's being you used in beauty but rather to create something different and took to do that what scientists do is they I say what's the problem right it's a bit butch for me I guess driving a truck with a gun rack back on and I think I'm the only Guy La with no car invasion that's what takes you to the solution and so we we we even you know it's our mantra once you understand the problem the solution is close at hand have we're all sporting today frizzy hair because it's you know London weather yes London town Biz lead their cost effective but the coat the hair unevenly and so they allow moisture to go in and out of the hair whenever they want and when that happened the hair at will whenever it wants because we're using silicones to coat the hair and silicones are great very cosmetic they're used in everything the cuticle swells and the hairs cross and you end up with that frizzy look so they created a molecule they patent it they put it in a product and actually won awards that's sort of how we live our lives so I'm glad you said it's problem solution because it really is and that that led to our first innovation which was the biggest concern is it very much is the the problem solving head cat brand absolutely and I it really started they're so it started by Stylus like myself and and they have to get to the core that problem they have to figure out what's causing it and once you understand that that is the spark to end No matter what I use the same results touching the hot stove and expecting a different result than I still get burnt and here it actually you know it attracts dirt and oil and it's it's cosmetic it's not really fixing anything or protecting anything I'd like to say stood up and defended it GonNa love the I think them I've never had my pals literally like I just realized that that moment that if so the same sorts of things are happening and beauty but when you come from mit biotech background. These are patented things technologies that take years to develop mainly because I'm still reeling from rejection of my colleagues earlier today but because we were talking about 'cause Messina goals and living proof is as a hairdresser or professor because I've always liked education or something in the clergy and I don't know where the heck they came up with that making me think it's a Cozma cuticle Hebron biotech scientists creating real solutions patented science so that's that's what we love as well as before it even existed which is super bowl so they had to hurry up and make something they reached something that would coat the entire in this world of metoo where one thing exists like fast fashion you see something on the catwalk and then it's in the cheapest store immediately just slightly different some when I was young I you know I was told you have that career counseling thing where they say you should be one of these three things and for me it was the minister of maybe I could see it up on my podium they're doing that but it really started for me a very young age I used to gather eleven from Hollywood whether you're sure right so we're getting prison so our scientists figure it out that's because moisture comes in and out of all your friends the Perm burnt scouts and all kinds of fun things but I was learning and then by high school you know if you were anybody I was together not to play ball or play video games but to play with their hair experimenting with perms maybe at the age of five then I got quite lucky early on by connecting with Disney artist who just blew up her name's Martikan the very motley crue and they would think they look gorgeous it's awesome right so that was that was pretty much my start on reading something about that online the being able to connect you know just connecting with people I grew up in Hollywood my dad was a bodyguard for famous kids so I wouldn't let in moisture or let let it out so that it didn't get the first exactly so a micro thin barrier because what a silicone doesn't WanNa hear the word code I think of silicone because it is you know maintenance maintenance Christie macnichol so there was what was the show called I forget what she was the hottest star of the late seamier exactly oh no no no no not that me too so I got into a whole women we did we did we'll job right so Christie macnichol I mean I'm old I'm fifty so if anyway sorry if I'm just somebody just called myself old lots of what I'm saying is people basically take the same basic ingredients into a me too product as opposed Masuko that's actually changing something cutting your hair and it wasn't doing a great job still learning but yeah it was the eighties if you can imagine so I would just take all the hair to the top of the head and crop in as a little kid and they were little kids and we would play together and you know I'd fight with them if they took my sliced apples so I didn't Eddie and almost syrupy and feel so good and some of our moisturizers and beauty products and it's fabulous on the bottom of your feet right it's nice and heavy but on your let's talk about you your career and then we can talk about how the two came together I guess we've course well I've I think I've always known that I wanted to do this and oh wait a minute yeah I know I think she I think she did a tour here in the UK I think using silicones is kind of putting on makeup we should be getting a facial just another conceal her too hey it's okay hopefully could see the look on your face like what the hell is he talking about it's like we are going I started working in product development and I'd been doing it with another brand for several years for eighteen years now for one of the where it's our fault their nurses coming to right but yeah so for me it was a comfortable transition and it took me to a place where I was able Kazan place I opened it on Buddhist holy ground no creatures were harmed in the creation and maintenance of planet hair studios and we're artists who've room full of artists and creative people it's not my favorite thing to do on so then deep facebook it's fine we'll get so let's talk about so that's really the genesis of the Brown this is what's really going on I can I think I can't take credit for really knowing that just for being the frustrated hairdresser who is like this isn't working all to work with some some talent from Disney and was a good start and I opened a salon and I put it I I was in a whole sorta exactly the same and so now really tack out on some of those things and pay attention to what's in them and you know making sure that we're leaving out the bad I think that's been exists work and I want to know formulate dot that came from our mit scientists that were really that thoughtful to say look Johnson these ingredients so I think it's very important I think even as a consumer I I remember going to the head of the Kid and knowing an and they provide real results what does that have to change me to it it isn't me to for us we're we're doing the opposite so a big trend in beauty it's not only what you put into something but what you leave out right for those of you have had any kind of straightening your hair we found out what the formaldehyde thank you look great you look great thank you so much the lighting it's actually making me think about the beauty industry as a whole it was great but then I figured out he don't love managing hairdressers so sorry of hairdressers are out there but we can be a pain in the by so how to use it and I think what brands are doing now particularly with living proof is your taking a product that can deliver the results one if they'd been in the middle of the Rim I've been at one end and the dry shampoo open and the other and we all called that name sleep would've gone to the dry shampoo my feelings terribly created molecules that don't only work more effectively than a silicone but they actually keep your hair cleaner longer afraid of water we call it drew phobic and their Lipa phobic and so you're styles will last longer like I think of twelve hours you meant that as a good thing for your style to last twelve hours right no I knew that accent copycat I should say is that a better word yeah definitely definitely the right that we need to go down in this one seventies okay further dating myself new younger There was a star like all these Burger King Commercials named Rodney Alan Rigby I mean but so whatever I had done the headdresses which would usually be styling and Katainen style I knew that didn't last beyond twelve hours and first luxury haircut brands did you want to know what was in the guts of the like what what made you turn the ball around the ingredients and think well this is what actually do you really love it we can get into a whole narcissism conversation myself involved in every step of the way in actually testing things in real time we have a salon within the laboratory within the office uh-huh killing our hairdresser it's not funny I didn't mean to laugh it killing your hairdresser sulfates harsh detergent works for a minute and then it stops or you know it's promising this and this is happening what's going on so I have to credit the scientists are really saying this is why it's all we note if fear celebrity like a lot of people I I you know because we can be a bit worship they have the slightest bit of fame and I love you servers on some good good I think you're more on the glass hair trend all right bye-bye mit and Harvard where the very expensive schools and students towns students are willing to get stuff tried on their hair for thirty bucks so if scientists like hey I think this is the solution we're talking about minutes to get it on ahead in the chair or so lucky to be located com Detroit listeners it's natural to seeing me all this is what my head there's nothing there's nothing in this hair this is just my hand naturally and my brilliant wonderful fabulous and and we want people to have that professional result at home and we want haired to last longer you know we've oh my my mother had taken me to had very fine limp greasy hat and my mother would take me to the headdresses for a big blow out so I get bouncy cindy good descended Crawford back the deal so we've so you do have the MIT insight and Innovation Oh my God imagine living roof Mit no animal tests team just lots of human tests but it's it's that putting so much effort and emphasis into the education piece yeah I mean what we try and do is you never wanna just talk over people's heads and you are actually as a brand globally making massive massive stories in this area and why has it been why is it such a big focus and when I hey obviously what I've noticed now and that used to be very skeptical about any kind of recommending any kind of product in products I'm like yeah the headdresses do we we call what we do kitchen logic and so they're they're kitchen logic meet sort of Saturday morning wacky science for able to work with hairdressers and scientists we just have one laboratory and it's not like a token laboratory there are four different labs within the offices I mean it's time I speak to you face to face I meet with your PR marketing teams. So I feel what you're doing but will the consumer see and feel the difference if you there's lab coats there's crocs it's it's crooks I've seen it I've seen it you would get from a professional just by using it in your own home and I think that's the that's the development and the innovation that's the difference to me take the necessary maybe you don't use I'm not sure there ever necessary so just I'm not sure then you've also got your style and experience isn't that a fundamentally what makes it different it really is it's it's the stylus and having them that's right you never want to list every single thing you do and and the goal isn't to make people feel dumb in the process by saying this is what we know and this is what we can gemstone in the World Charles and coal off release gems engagement bridal fashion and fine jewelry that you can afford plus they do we made with ninety five percent so you have expertise of a very big very amazing school everyone should go to the town anyway. Buds education is a huge priority for living proof in the evening it was I had turned to picture you at the city coffers eh I mean no really I won't I won't cut I won't bounce high volume I want my we'll fix it we'll fix you appropriately don't worry kids and so that's the way we try and show it when we want to show our products keep your hair cleaner longer than silicone you know we don't list ingredient thousands and and just talk about that we dump a giant bowl of cornstarch on a models had and film it and Hever Shaker head and then you see one side is let's look at that and let's create something was it previously that other innovations want going back far enough in the problem and over the bottle let's see what's in it let's identify what's really causing frizz what's really causing lack volume what's causing colored to fade yes it's extreme and it gets interesting traveling with abound of cornstarch everywhere I go to show look this is not only able to clean your hair more effectively without any of those yucky detergents or sulfates but actually to keep your hurry right we've got ten seconds on your phone we've got half a second as you walk by in your favorite store so I think it's very important to just speak to people candidat slick those hard little candies you would put on a cake to show right to show micro thin thickening dots between the strands so people understand yeah because it comes from biotech because it comes from pharmaceutical and because he's brilliant I mean he has more patents and pat are cleaner longer by repelling dirt and oil and so the cornstarch meant to just emulate dirt and pollution and the environment around us host the difference between the silicone and are healthy hair molecule. We've I mean we have tests that involve a rubber ducky sliding down the hair we've tested basis where we use dry shampoo but that's mainly for healthy hair molecule that's in all of our shampoos and all of our conditioners and in our dry shampoo not your traditional product we don't we don't make a product the way everyone else does and and here's the way we can demonstrate it to you in the simple most effective way and we're all in on he won some award from the Queen of England like a million pounds for his research he he was he's that scientists right scientists who I said let's and spending than any other living scientists on the planet the only person who ever had more was Thomas Edison and he's no longer with us I mean the man is so oh Bob did is he just because he's a scientist he just looked at it from a scientific perspective as opposed to a cosmetic one so his his solution was always going to be slightly different because in a way that we can all visually understand it say what did you say the cornstarch and the dry shampoo comparison yeah that's it's one of the I don't think they didn't necessarily dig deeper it's just silicones work okay they work enough and and hair being will you come back yet I'm more worried about leaving tomorrow because when I arrived it was just straight from America they don't you know unnoticed but trying to get out of here they watch every little liquid you can imagine what they think of my pound of a White House but we do it anyway because people Harvard Shampoo doesn't in a way it doesn't make sense spending and he's like this great scientists eh important education's I like this very rich we talked about you know they don't want to spend the money it's it's expensive to develop your own molecule it's cheaper it's easier to your point of you know why didn't people dig deeper aheads so you can imagine as this goes through the DS as created or the conveyor belt they're seeing you know a cutoff head that I dump it causing a shockwave where you know in the United States where the number one prestige hair care brand and it proves that if you do something different if you really do change the way people's hair looks performs than they will buy it and I think that's that's you know other people will try but they don't Oh brilliant and works in Tissue Research and so this you know and we have another scientist who works with us she's like yeah I have a degree from MIT team and the and the type of people that are attracted to working with with Robert Linger over the year so he just he did something magical and now of course we're we looked at the biggest issue for each of those hair types so we we've already discussed people who go frizzy people who styles don't last clients talked about Mit Bob Langer name oh recall him like our Elvis King of the world and he's even caught in a cycle of damage where you feel you need shampoo it every day or every other day that's not so terrible for sales us telling you shampoo once or twice a week it's plenty longtime listeners will know mine is thinning and fine hair and so I'm reading of about anything that I put on my really nervous will really like living proof how do you categorize head and how do you offer such board solution profile yes so what we what we did kind of loyalty the kind of loyalty that would make team of your best friends over lunch attack you'll over saying anything ill about living well actually goes against all marketing right now I wanted to use our products as much as possible we know that you build the has no model once that done to her head right and then a giant block of powder thank this way I'm GonNa need you to you crazy drug dealing murderer right this you also one thing I definitely notice is my my pals in the industry who are exacting like they have very high standards folks and to that point when we started let's you find flat I think your hair's gorgeous I think it's right on trend for Glasgow but you know grass is always greener right wean her strands that you will never have naturally but what we were able to do was create a thickening hair molecule that sits between the strands talking about shampoo and conditioner and what we using in the shower low to
Leo Laporte - The Tech Guy: 1608
"<music> that casts you love from people you trust this is this is Leo LaPorte art and this is my tech guy podcast. The show originally aired on the Premier Network on Saturday July Thirteenth Twenty nineteen. This is episode one thousand six hundred eight enjoy. The Tech Guy Podcast is brought to you by H.. refs whether you work for a big brand run your own small business. Maybe do freelance work. Getting traffic to your website is always challenge. H Rifts is an all in one S._E._O.. Tool set that's here to help and give you the tools you need to rank your website citing Google to get a seven day trial for only seven dollars go to H.. REFS DOT COM to sign up H. R. E. F. S. dot com well. Hey Hey hey. How are you today? Leo Laporte here the Tech Guy Time talk computers yeah the Internet Home Theater digital photography smartphones all that stuff that the the toy store the tech toy store eight ask. Leo Is the phone number where you know. It's not even the toy store anymore or is it these days. It's the stuff is changing the world eight eight eight eight two seven five five three six toll free from anywhere in the U._S.. Or Canada outside that area will of course you could still reach us. You just have to use skype or something like that and I know we have listeners all over the world so don't want to discourage you. Just use skype out. You'RE GONNA call toll free number so it shouldn't cost you anything eighty eight eighty eight ask Leo see there it is it's as simple as that. There's a website tech Skylab dot com the numbers. They're linked to the chat rooms. They're all the <hes> all the stuff you need to know and most importantly the show is there after the show <hes> I put everything we talked about <hes> in their actually James Does James reveal right sat down and <hes> so we have text the also the audio and video from the shows up there so really. It's it's <hes> we got everything we it's all up their tech guy labs dot com and best of all. We don't charge you for that. That's free. There's no sign up. Even I don't even want your email address. I don't want any of that. A man who is both loved and hated passed away at the age of ninety three this week New York Times betrayed today by Katie Hafner name. I did not know Fernando Kotabato. They call them corby. I did not know his name he was at M._I._T.. His whole life died at the age of ninety three a professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute technology but here's why he's important to you and me me when he started teaching computing <hes> in the early sixties and I remember this when I went to college even in the early seventies the computer was a big old thing in the computer science building usually in the basement on a raised floor tended to buy a priesthood. You didn't get to go and touch the computer. You didn't get the type on its keyboard didn't even have a keyboard. <hes> you go if you were lucky if you're a student in the computer science department perhaps maybe they would let you type out a series of punchcards remember those do not fold spindle immune late those cards with the holes in them he special machine you would type your program or your request you would type it and it would punch holes in the cards and you would get a stack of cards and heaven help you if you drop them because they're they're the worst I things to sort of be a messy to get stack of cards and hope you didn't have a typo because that would screw up the computer to and you'd bring that carefully wrapped in a row within your hands do not fold do not spindle do not mutilate to the priests east the High Priest of the computer and say please. Would you run this job for me and then he'd put you in a queue of a bunch of other jobs in one job finished another one starting and so on and Dr Corato Corby didn't he. I thought you know that's no good. There ought to be a way to use computers interactivity see nowadays this is like that's how you use a computer potatoes. They didn't even they didn't know about that. He creates something called C._t.. S._S. compatible paddle time sharing system his insight was computers. Were fast enough that it could like like a chess grandmaster at a simultaneous exhibition. Take care of multiple jobs all at once moving. I'm from job to job so quickly that you didn't even notice while you while while you were thinking it would handle other people's jobs while you were well. It was waiting for the key press on the teletype. This was huge judge. This allowed multiple people simultaneously to use a computer through telephone lines shirt was still in a basement still tended by a priest but at least you didn't have to bring in those punch cards you could just type teletype and Lo and behold you type a letter chunk it would come back chunk you type a question John Kim junk and an answer would come back junk junk junk. This was a miracle. This was a miracle no more waiting a day or two to get the answer to your question question of or the results of your program. You could type it in in a nineteen sixty three. This is from the New York Times Obituary nineteen sixty three public television interview corby described batch processing is infuriating for its inefficiency. He said the advent of time sharing reinforces the notion still in its infancy the computers maybe just maybe could be used interactively. Oh was an idea that would animate the computing field for decades Katie Hafner rights now. That's the good side of Corby. Here's the bad side. Maybe that's in order to have multiple you people using the computer at the same time. You couldn't let everybody just kind of get on their access. Everybody else's files. You had to have a time sharing system with passwords so that you log in you'd have access to your stuff but nobody else's stuff made sense passwords so he also invented the bane modern computing he invented modern computing and the bane of modern computing passwords. We're stuck with both it's really an amazing fellow. We owe a a great debt to passed away at the age of ninety three. Dr Corato Corby M._I._T.. Created the modern way of working with a computer. That's pretty cool and I you know I had never heard his name but I wanted to. I wanted to mention that honor him <hes> now that it's too late to actually honor him but mentioned him anyway and yes of course you had had also that the password make that work meanwhile here. We are in the age of A._I.. Artificial intelligence. There's a new computer in town. The plays poker software from facebook and Carnegie Mellon University played five thousand hands over the Internet in six six against six other players. The bought was called pluribus against the best poker players in the world including including four time world poker tour champion Darren Elias including Chris Ferguson in the end the bought at one many many games finally a new poker bought can beat this is real interactivity multiple champions at the same time which is kinda surprising because poker has of course the element of luck. There's some strategy edgy but a lot of the strategy relies on reading the humans doesn't it is he bluffing. He looks like he's bluffing. Does he really have paradise in there just to Peres twos and kind of reading that person I don't computer would do that somehow bought and it's a I because it was trained against many playing many many many many games if you were the researcher at M._I._T.. Created created pluribus said if you sit this down with five elite professional humans is going to beat them and make money off. This is the gold standard well. I'm glad we're we're bending are intellectual abilities towards towards important things things poker's not like chess chess you can see is calculable. There's a lot of calculations even go. It's calculable but poker no I ain't gotta think about humans and the mistakes they made this has taken them longer than chess and go the end of a multi decade effort involving many researchers the first the first <hes> there. It's predecessor Liberato us in two thousand seventeen was the first program it professionals the plan no limit Texas hold 'em but this is the first time a computers played against full table and one again and again again. I don't know if it's means means anything. I don't know if it means self. Driving cars are coming. I don't know if it means you're robot Butler will be serving you a drink in the future but you know you think about it in the sixties. You couldn't use a computer interactivity here we are. I what is it fifty sixty years later and you can maybe fifty or sixty years your your robot Butler will play poker with you. I don't know I don't know what it means and remember when apple talked about in on the apple watches walkie talkie feature a lot remember a couple years ago was big deal in fact I went out and got the new Apple Watch so I'd have walkie talkie and I could talk to my wife. It was like that next telephone. You know you press the button. Talk to you. Don't have to dial a number or anything we use that for about two days before it got really annoying and turn it off now. Apple has disabled walkie talkie well and a good thing because it turns out and we don't know the details because it's not been revealed but there's a security flaw that would allow one person listen another person's iphone without their consent using walkie talkie what that's not good. We are not aware rights apple of any use of this vulnerability against a customer and specific conditions in sequences is events which we're not going to tell you about required exploited but we thought maybe to turn this off. We can figure it out. Do you use walkie talkie if you do it's not working they say walkie-talkie apple remain installed but won't function and we're GonNa fix it and we'll let you know this is kind of like the apple bug earlier with facetime right allow people to use facetime to snoop on other people without their knowledge eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo those are the those are a couple of the things on my mind this week you can talk to. We have lots to talk about answer you questions at eight eight eight. Ask Leah Kim Shafir is here. She's answering the phones love to hear from you. Give us a ringin. Let's Talk High Tech. Leo LaPorte the right after this Guy Dick Dick debartolo. I know he's very sad and I don't blame him. He's very sad yeah. Robert Knows Dick. You've you've been giving land right yeah. You went to visit his as house yeah <hes> well. I don't know maybe that's one of the one of the article said. How can you do satire when everything is ridiculous? It's like you can't but I think you can. I think you can it is the end of an era and yeah it is right. That's hard right yeah. It's already such a joke that you can't. There's nothing more to in the morning to joke about all my my. It's a Miracle Leo LaPorte the tech I with the unbreakable Kimmy Shafir and you know what Kim you know. Take no Shafir Kaffir. I just heard there's a new season of that. Is there a love that I love that show so I guess I'm going to have to go back and binge. Watch all of the seasons because I haven't seen anything since the first season I like it. There's <hes> uh well. I don't want to spoil it for me as an watch it watch it's a great show great show in the show. The first season was so good but you my problem with all these shows is. There's too many of them. There's too many of them but there's a year error to lag time between the seasons and then I just in my day it moved onto something else. Show would come out once a week. Yeah gathered together on a Sunday night to watch it back in my day to game of thrones when everybody he was watching that every Sunday and I remember that those days you could all day remember back then but I think of <hes> even the Friday night lineup that I used to watch as a kid like family matters and full house in these things and kids don't have that anymore. There's no Friday night programming or Saturday morning cartoons right none of that exists well. That's because they're all watching youtube. I guess they didn't care they watch cat videos on Youtube or the difference is there isn't one thing the whole nation does together anymore. It's kind of fragmented Sunday but that's about it. There are few things but that's I remember <hes> I just make myself sound old but I remember when you get up in the morning and go go to work and you'd all be talking about Johnny Carson's monologue on the night before you have to be of a certain age even know who that person is. You gotta stay up really late. I don't think people go to work and say juicy with Pudi Pie did last night no no. They don't say they did. I'd smack smack them so you've been answering the phones all morning long building up a backlog of calls for me to take who should I start with Harry in southern California. We won't specify what city he's in <hes> because he's got a question for you. That might actually stump you before his real question mistreat. I kind of felt like I had to Google his question when he asked me it so you can google it. You don't need me. I don't know if it'll give him an answer he he probably Google that and couldn't get the Google is the bane of my existence. No someday you'll be able to you could ask your voice assistant instead of the Tech Guy and then what will I be doing. I'll be I'll be watching a stranger things reruns. Did you hear the <hes> what was it. Oh ask ask your Amazon thing to sing a Justin Bieber song or not. She sings along with his latest hit. That's pretty funny Ed Sheeran sorry. Maybe I like it sure now they're trying to make these things more human rights meanwhile all the headlines Say Amazon storing everything you ever said to your echo and unless you asked to delete it and then the Google saying Oh yeah by the way where we're saving all your recordings and we're playing them for humans and all man so there that's the thing is they're trying to fight this news cycle. They say oh but it seems Justin bieber songs. What could possibly possibly be wrong with that? It's cute and I'm sorry remind me. What am I doing here? This whole break again like we got a minute. I got a minute -Tarian. Hello Terry Leo LaPorte de-ticked Guy Guy Geez. I only got a minute no ten year you got two and a half okay. Hey first of all you and Kim just made me really sad because talking about Saturday morning. Cartoons didn't even discover looney tunes until I was in my twenties. I have in studio with me the guy he's right now. He's in studio with me. The Guy wrote the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles movie and <hes>. What's it Bob Herbeck always forget your sorry Bob? 'cause I know you there's Bob Bob her studio and these these these are these are the classics and I don't know what kids do nowadays. They all get together on a Saturday morning once youtube. That doesn't sound like fun anyway. What can I do for you well? Here's the first of all here's my mystery question for you and then I do have a fast question as well. I live on a street called. Petaluma never been able to live in a town called petaluma although Ms. Google told me it's something to do do with being on the hillside of possibly yeah Mount Sonoma yeah for the longest. I've lived in Petaluma since my daughter was about a year old. She's twenty seven now so twenty six years and for the longest longest time people said we no one knows what it means. No one knows but apparently I guess the latest according to Wikipedia the Indians who lived here the native Americans who lived here that was a native American word that met on the hillside of I don't if I buy that I think that's a that's something somebody made up and put in wikipedia later because for years people said its its origins are lost in fog of mystery of the past so you take what you live on pedal. The mystery mystery as it means developer of wherever you live lives in Petaluma or had a nostalgic thought about it because I don't know of any other pedal limits I don't either in all I know is anytime I order something on the phone. I always have to spell my street. <hes> welcome to my world speaking of your world coming up on Amazon Prime Day. <hes> a lot of people are probably wondering about this too. I have a comb cast that I cast you might primary T._v.. I WanNa buy something else to cast to you my T._v.. In My Home Office and I don't know anything about far sticks roku. What would you recommend chrome cast works differently than either the fire sticks of the Roku there substantively different technology and oh by the way home nor fg Amazon is I guess is they are selling chrome casted again? There was a feud for a long time between Amazon and Google yeah. It's back on chrome cast. You know let's say I wanNA take a break as any. I need to as you can tell <hes> but there's it's a longer conversation because technology algae is completely different so <hes> when we come back Leo LaPorte the Teke. It's actually a good topic to do with Scott. It's kind of a home theater topic so chrome cast. I like like a lot but the way chrome cast works. Is You have to have another device. It doesn't stand on its own so you can't on your TV as you can with a Roku or Apple T._v.. Or Fire TV on those those are really little just little computers is that are plugged into your H._d._m._i.. Port you choose that H._d._M._i.. Poor and you'll see a menu a user interface and you'll be able to choose you know netflix Amazon prime or whatever you want to watch so that's like plugging a little computer in that's take hooked up to the Internet and there were originally created basically for Smart T._v.'s that didn't have <hes> network interfaces and they original. T._V.'s didn't have any ETHERNET or Wifi nowadays. T._V.'s often have the same capabilities he's built. They call those smart TV's. I prefer I still prefer Roku or or Apple T._v.. Out Fire TV I'm not as crazy about because it is basically an ad for Amazon so really features Amazon stuff above all others the chrome cast it is a little thing that's designed to be takeover from your phone or laptop or tablet so you see yeah or desktop. I guess yeah so the the idea of a crime and you know because you use it. Is You go on your computer. Whether it's mobile desktop you go on your computer to Netflix and then if that APP that you're using the website that using has a chrome cast button you press it. It does a hand off to the crown cast now at that point. The chrome cast is autonomous and contain it it starts streaming. You can turn off the phone. Laptop desktop doesn't matter because the chrome cast is now doing its own thing but it doesn't have a user interface you you have to cast to it from a device. So that's the chief difference. It also means a chrome cast is kind of infinitely expandable because google if you use google chrome on a computer you can always cast chrome so anything you can play back can chrome you can plan a chrome cast exactly but if somebody who's looking who's dreaming about the day when I can finally cut the cord with frontier. Would you recommend <hes> Roku you would go with roquette. I think Roku might even have a frontier APP. They have APPs for several. Maybe not frontier spectrum I know stay with no but I'm just saying as an interim thing you can even use it to access your cable provider but ultimately yeah the Roku is I think has the best selection Chelsea only thing the Roku does not have is apple doesn't have I tunes so if you're gonNA buy movies or rent movies and T._v.. Shows from apple or play music from Apple. You need to have an Apple T._v.. Although that's changing too they just the deal with San with a number of TV manufacturers to put Apple T._v. and the T._v.. So apple may be letting go of that. I wouldn't be surprised someday to see an Apple T._v.. APP on the Roku but freeze it or not. I've never purchased an apple product. Don't care then Roku absolutely the better choice for you so get a Roku. They're cheap <hes> if you think you're going to get a four K. T._v.. At any point get the top of the line roku. Ultra does a cry for you want that anyway because it's a faster computer. It's just better device. Some of these devices underpowered the sticks. I love for convenience but they're underpowered <hes> to get him in that small thing they also overheat so but you can you can look at the Roku site and see a bunch of brokers. I think they really go with the stick now. They're they're. The preferred form factor. It's not mine but that's what they're trying to sell. The the key to the ROKU is a software. That's that's what's really awesome and they really do a good job. Yeah well look all broke. All of these are sticks. She's Louise. I'm looking at on alongside the roku ultra zeal. That's the one I get so hundred bucks. That's also half the price of an Apple T._v. and again the fire TV is very much like a Roku but it is <hes> subservient Amazon's business interests which I I think it's problematic and that's the problem I have with Alexis first of all she doesn't even know what Petaluma means and secondly anything. I asked her if it you know it doesn't relate about Amazon yeah well. I mean that's their business. Everything's someday we're all going to be about. Amazon is time for the bump to hump the Hump to bump the shock allocco. I of Scott Wilkinson are on the Geek. Hello Scott he's dancing. He's singing. Welcome Hey can i. Let's let's women now do I have you go ahead. Speak a little bit best one. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah you're good okay. <hes> wow videos quite still quite delayed. You know you were so so good last week and now the delays back so. I don't know what's going. I I've got I've got a suggestion for you on that. Let's talk about that offline. Okay good. Nobody cares. It's a radio show. That's a radio show who cares you care radio audience that his lip sync is bad no but you know the new thing with the facetime. Did you see that where the facetime even though you're looking down makes it look like you're looking at the camera. It's creepy yeah. It does kind of augmented reality reposition your eyeballs. Oh man is that weird. That's weird computers again tomorrow so real quickly because because this was our call Terry wanted to know <hes> about the difference in Chrome Cast Roku and Apple T._v. and fire TV and everything anything but the chrome cast is just a little computer has easier face as a remote control. You put it into your T._V.. On the H._D.. Report Your T._v. becomes the screen for that computer and they have APPs for watching T._v.. Right the chrome cast just is a weird different idea and I don't know much much longer Google's going to do this but the chrome cast works with your computer your phone your tablet your desktop your laptop and you use that as easy interface so you will go to Netflix on your phone start playing in a movie and then press the chrome cast button it does a hand off to the chrome cast which takes over and place. I don't know why that's better. I don't even you know after we after we think after we describe it this way you might say well. That's goofy. The only vantage manage of the potential for the comcast is it cannot do scream anything that you can see in chrome browser right and so that means. It's potentially a little bit more. You know anything you could watch browser. You could see on your TV so that's the advantage of that Yep. I agree so Scott yes. I wanted to tell you about it. Adventure I had last week what was it I went to Vegas and I I saw the aerosmith residency. Oh how fun yeah and the reason I got invited to go is that they're using some really interesting technology <hes> in the live show so it's at the park m._g._m.. which used to be the Monte Carlo <hes> and they built a brand new theatre fifty eighty two hundred seat auditorium <hes> four among other things the the residency of aerosmith? You know this famous rock band. That's been around for fifty years. Let's good too because it's a little harder for Steve Thailand to get around these now yes since he he had knee replacement surgery if he doesn't have to move around so much but I gotta tell you he he has not lost. A step is still rocking it. It's amazing but here's the cool thing to cool things about this. Show one is you're sitting out in the audience. Normally in a rock concert you have a couple of big columns of speakers hung above the stage and if you're sitting off center you only hear one of them basically well this. This new aerosmith residency uses causes <hes> basically an immersive sound system like Dobie atmos- or D. T. S. X.. But intended for live audience live performances they got speakers all around the theater including overhead and object based Waist <hes> it it basically allows the mixer to move things around the room sonic objects. It's very cool you know they searched so late. Did something like this with their love. Their Beatles tribute that he has speakers speakers in your seat yet and it really I thought did a good job of making that sound completely ambient. You don't sense that it is you know you're on the left side of the stage or anything like that yeah exactly right. That's exactly the idea perform it made sense. Thanks for the Cirque du Soleil because it's theater in the round and they're all over the place but here you have a band performing on stage you lose the sense of them being in front of you to the left to the right no no I don't think so <hes> because the main speakers in front one of you there's instead of two columns. There are nine so there's a lot of sound coming at you in the front is also you have this APP pressure made it to bring it. I did allowed was it was brutal earplugs. I was in the audience for for about half an hour and measured during that time the average level during that half hour was almost one hundred eight DB okay. That's roughly a jet airplane. I'm taking off. Well not quite a Jackhammer Yeah C._D._C.. Center Centers for Disease Control and Osha both say that that could be permanently damaging in five to fifteen minute. Oh so wow that's terrible that show that should be illegal. Well I think so too but there are no standards. There are standards for movie sound but there are no standards for live concerts as you know kind of a fan the end of the Vegas residencies we always down we saw Gaga. We've actually been to that yeah. We saw <hes> Jaylo in that theater and then after Jaylo. Somebody else took that theater over so that that's a Nice Cedar. I know it's a nice space but of course when you know you're going to have a big draw like aerosmith there night. After night. You can put some money into renovating that theater specifically for that act and that's exactly what they do. It's the best way to see <hes> somebody really like Gaga was amazing using Oh. I can't wait to see that she is actually using on one of her shows anyway she has to they're one of them. Using a similar <hes> immersive sound system to what Aerosmith is using from a company called L. Acoustic so this is the new thing the other thing I noticed in and I don't know if they do it as in Vegas as much but I see this a lot in stadium concerts is these fantastic projector systems. They're using the make it so much simpler instead of having to bring lots of set pieces with them. They can project all this stuff. It looks just as real and it's much more dynamic it and the aerosmith concert does a lot of that they <hes> they've got some real <hes> some real physical things that they're doing on stage as well the other the other aspect though that I want to make sure I mentioned is if you pay enough money for your ticket. You can actually sit on stage aerosmith during the show would be fun even better they give you a pair of any our the monitor's on a little ipod thank goodness the audio is projected is broadcast over a dedicated WIFI net worth and you can adjust and control the level that you're listening to it. You you can choose shoes. Whether you're listening to the main house mix or Steven Tyler's monitor mix. I'd love that you can flip back and forth that sounds lifting it's so so this was I think pioneered by a small indie band called Humphries McKee <hes> where they would have a special area where you would have headphones that were fed from the soundboard wireless. I had forgotten that but you're exactly right. I forgot that yeah. They did pioneer well now. You can do it at Aerosmith <music>. I'm might do that on the side of the stage. You can't see you know the visuals right from the front and you don't get the immersive object to go twice clearly well. I was fortunate enough. I experienced some of the show in the audience and then I went to the side stay on and <hes> and experience that now ticket prices those side by side stage tickets start at eight hundred dollars. That's not a surprise fries. You know good tickets to even normal stadium. Show now are hundreds and hundreds of dollars. It's really outrageous. What's happened to concert? Yeah I agree. I feel bad because I think a lot of young people who love music. Maybe even more than as old folks are are priced doubt yeah. I'm afraid that's true. I'm afraid to do with the with the opera with the opera does have standing room only seats that Evan source seat seven sold for Students Day of they need to do that. The students who Steven Tyler and Aerosmith myth. I'm a student of <hes> early seventies rock and roll. I'd like Scott Wilkinson. He writes all about this stuff home theater. Geeky call him. He's a contributor at tech high. Dot Com joins US every week to talk homefield always a pleasure. I'm jealous. I WANNA go down and see that show now too. I think I think at some point we're just moving to Vegas and we're living theaters there. Such good shows thank you Scott Leo LaPorte then <hes> <hes> so hey everybody nice to see you <hes> swannee. Thank you so much for putting in the <hes> link to my aerosmith article. <hes> thank you tech Dino. I appreciate that very much. <hes> I'll have to <hes> Mike Mike icier in the chat room <hes> let's let's communicate about getting Leo hooked up with <hes> with can <hes> so that maybe we can solve this problem. I mean maybe amy I need to. I mean I do need to upgrade my laptop. It's it's a number of years old so <hes> it might be time to do that and that might solve the problem because I still need to do it anyway but but we don't know deuces are wild Yep. That's the name of the aerosmith show Webster Valley. Do you know when Yuba plays the Roomba on the Tuba <hes> yes. I do know that Song <hes> I can't can't some in the music at the moment but <hes> I do know that I didn't know that it was written by the same guy who wrote as time goes by <hes> might be. I could just try reformatting. I Yeah I suppose I could do that. <hes> might be some unknown APP causing the problem. I suppose that's true. There's nothing running on my computer except Skype <hes> X. Chat <hes> and <hes> and a web browser the nothing else running on on this computer so I don't think it's a bunch of stuff doing <hes> doing something nefarious U._J._A.. What was your experience with the I._M.'s Aerosmith concert did any external sound leak into your hearing and possibly caused conflict? Yes yes sound did leak in. I had good seal. I the I._M.'s are from one more. They're called the triple drivers. I should've had mentioned that on the air. Sorry I didn't <hes> but the I had I had my favorite ear tips and so they had a good seal but there was I mean on the stage. The average was like one hundred five so it was still a lot of stuff getting through my even the stick around for the top. You Bet thanks that's not my story. Leo LaPorte Tech Guy Eighty eight eighty eight ask Leah Line Four for Mason Wilder Mar California. Hello Mason hello how are you. I'm great. How are you good good? I you know I had a little insight into the <hes> poker box so I was a poker and blackjack dealer for fifteen years and one one of my friends was very successful playing online using a program that him and his friend. I don't know if they really designed it but they design the database for it and I'm quite sure poker bought is doing this interest also also so you would know this. Playing online is very different from playing in person isn't it now this guy played every day in the casino to and was one of the best players I've ever seen fifteen years of being a dealer so so we're talking about in case you just tuned in. We're talking about a story that there is a now a <hes> a designed by facebook engineers that can beat the best poker players in the world consistently make money at it but I do know that that was done online and so one of the one of the ways real poker players plays by looking at details by looking at what's going on. That's why you'll sometimes see people in hoodies sunglasses is that the case you think is at a big disadvantage no no and this is why so yeah that's part of the game you're absolutely right but a much bigger a bigger part of reading the player is simply reading their habits yeah and the computer is going to be better at that so sickly this real time database my friend used to use what it would do and it was perfectly legal. It was information he was allowed to have he just found a better way to manage it. So what do we do with catalog tons of information about the players he was playing against and so when he so let's say he's sitting there and he's on the dealer button and one guy done a minimum minimum call and it's the big blind is the only one left after that and he would get this information that would basically say well. This guy is ninety six percent of full if you raise and the big eighty seven percent of your day and there's no thinking involved he's going to raise. I'm quite sure the boss doing the same thing that makes sense the longer the game goes on the bigger the edge the bond has because it's cataloging more and more more all right how good how good are the best S. players at at observing their habits and changing them. It's hard to change. It is against another person in my work but I mean that's really interesting inch eventually gonNA catch that so yeah but basically it would be. It would be like a player that is just able to not miss a single thing of the past that's right computers able to do so so raise or fold or what what these these players are likely to do in certain situations so really what this is telling us in a nutshell is of course as the luck of the draw cards there's strategy and so forth but ultimately humans are predictable and and a computer can notice this <music> and take advantage of it yeah that's almost exactly right and the computers also probably also going to. I don't want to be more conservative but like let's say humans thinking the same thing well Chris Ferguson almost always he's both blind to raise three quarters of my stack right well that that's a big mistake because if he does have some you just committed three quarters of your best right the computer probably not gonNa make those kind of mistakes either. It's just GONNA put in a medium size raise knowing that will have no chance so if he calls then. I didn't lose that much money. I'm not in a serious way at all. I Love Poker but I'm serious player at all but I would. I would guess that the biggest the big the human poker players biggest nemesis is exactly that is is overconfidence. <hes> or under confidence is emotions. I know they try to control them but we're human and <HES> and so they those are the mistakes. The humans make combine that with the predictability of humans eliminate the mistakes know exactly what to humans likely to do. I guess you couldn't lose and I mean my friend exacts where he made tons of way more money playing online and he didn't casino any money in both places but his exact words were eighty. Five percent percent of the time or more of the computer makes the choice for me. I don't even have to think about how because all because all this information was giving them about the other players every time they done our hand as as as as guys worked in casinos you think it's easier to win online or easier to win a casino at the table. I think it's easier to win in the casino at the table. That's not true for everybody. <hes> I'm I'm a fairly conservative player and so when I when I come into a hand A. and added Casino table most players recognize my face and that I haven't played a lot of hand that I'm putting money in the pot and so they tend to get out a lot of them. Get Out of the way and I ended up getting one or two three way situation where I have a good chance of winning where online I don't see that as yeah the players they don't. They don't put together this guy's tight you know they they don't see your faith in that kind of stuff together so there's information that you are missing when you're online absolutely and I don't think the computer's missing it as much as two people are but they I know my online. All I really all I know about poker I learned on rounders and the and the number one thing I learned on rounders is look around on the table. If if you don't see the fish than your the fish so and I wanna be only if you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the tables the exact quote then you are the sucker and I'm the sucker occur every time hey it's nice to talk to you. Thanks for giving us some inside insight into how that works. It makes a lot of sense mason all right. I appreciate it take care that makes so much sense. In fact we know this computers are really good at this. One of the things computers others are doing late this this is we're about to enter an era. I think where <hes> that we don't really underestimate. We've got it all wrong about artificial intelligence. We've got it all wrong. We're worried that machines are going to become conscious and that they're going to take over like they're going to they're going to acquire human attributes are going to be become <hes> ambitious or evil no no. There's no we don't maybe that's true but we don't know of any path from accumulating huge amounts of information to consciousness. It's not an automatic thing. That's not a jump that just happens. Oh you get you get a certain amount of you know information mation artificial intelligence somehow your conscious. We don't know that that's a big leap on the other hand we already. You're seeing the real threat in my opinion from artificial intelligence which is things like face recognition computers can now <hes> do it if you can aim a laser at somebody from hundreds of feet away literally several football fields away that laser can not not not the kind of laser used to the red light the red dot but that laser can pick up sound can pick up. Somebody's heartbeat for instance turns out your heartbeat is as unique or more than than your fingerprint so computers can identify people at great distances not just with face recognition but with heart rate be recognition and we also know gate recognition the real threat is not that some machine's GonNa know who you are thousand feet. It's at some human is going to use that machine against you at a thousand feet. That's the real threat but it's not the the artificial intelligence itself. It's the people who use it and we're starting to see really these computer capabilities mature you know poker-playing computer today a computer that can figure out a all the people who are Jewish in the country tomorrow and that's what's most scary not the computer but the people using it in my opinion my opinion but you know we're heading down that road anyway. I don't know what you're GONNA do. We we talk a lot. I mean everybody talks about well. You know the F._t._c. just approved the largest fine in the history of technology five billion dollars against facebook not because of the information it gathers not because how not because of that it sells ads against that information but because of how the information gave it didn't keep close enough track and gave it to Cambridge analytica five billion dollars fine. We talk a lot about well. Maybe we can regulate you know artificial intelligence and keep keep it from becoming dangerous. I don't think he can. I don't know if you can a <hes> the way the founders designed our constitutions way too slow to to keep up with technology. They don't have the knowledge to do it. I don't know if you could do it well so we're GONNA find out Leila port. I E suggested that <hes> chrome might be causing some problems. Were you not using chrome are you. I am I was but I just I just quit out of it and certainly a lot better. No it's perfect so is it really yeah. Thank you fixed it. You crunch big. WHOA you're using chrome to read notes or something Yeah Yeah Yeah? Oh well I had it up for for. I had it on my aerosmith article in case I needed to make sense okay <hes> so generally. I don't use this computer under for anything but skype would be the vice yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely right now. All I'm running is skype and the chatroom and older the only APP yeah. I don't think the chatrooms to bed well might be well done yeah. Thanks Mike be all yours my friend thank you very much. Yes I am in sync coup burden. Hell Chrome says Hailu <hes>. I had a few tabs open yeah. It's true it's true. <hes> so yes thank you to whoever it was posted the link to my article about the Aerosmith Concert <hes> I was quite happy to see the how those photos turned out <hes> it was a great great fun show a boy sitting on the stage though as I said eight hundred dollars minimum for a seat on on the stage to what the cool thing is that the the band actually interacts with those people steven even tyler you know take selfies with people and Joe Perry's through a bunch of picks into the into the crowd. There's also a bar on the stage on the side of the state one on each side actually <hes> it's not an open bar for eight hundred bucks or more of the top price of the ticket in on that stage areas twenty five hundred dollars at a better be an open bar of you asked me but you do get to keep the one more triple driver in ear monitors that you get which just very cool and they're wonderful in your monitors so <hes> let's see what was the encore tune. The encore tune was walked this way of course actually dream on there were three encore tunes dream on chip chip away and walk this way so and that was you know they they still rocket man they really do. Yes they call it V._I._P.. Seating Robert Bigelow that's exactly right. That's what they call it might be. I apologize for taking away your excuse to get a new computer. I need one anyway. This thing is now several years old so I've been kinda waiting for the next generation of Mac books <hes> because I really didn't want to get one of those butterfly keyboards that was <hes> that's one reason I've been holding out and I believe the next generation that's just about to come out doesn't use the butterfly keyboard. Please correct me if I'm wrong or maybe they stopped using it some time ago and I could've gotten one by now. I don't. I haven't followed it that closely <hes> I am. I walk this way sung by John cleese. You know I of good friend of mine was reading a book about the origin of some popular songs and they in fact he he reported to me that he read in this book that Aerosmith Song Walked this way the title Steve Tyler Steven Tyler and whoever else wrote the song had the music more or less down but they didn't have the lyrics and somebody sets mentioned the <hes>. I believe it's young Frankenstein. The Mel Brooks movie where <hes> Ebor says to somebody walk this way and he walks in his weird way and then the the other the other people walk in that Weird Way <hes> and and Steven Tyler said Oh great we'll use that and so they called the song walk this way. That was what the what the <hes> this book reported anyway so that's from what I understand <hes> so Knox Harrington says <hes> the newest butterfly keyboards don't have a lot of the same issues but Yasser Keyboards are coming back in the next generation good <hes> scooter X. says next year for Non Butterfly Keyboard macbook pro current models just announced at Third Gen Butterfly are is third Gen Butterfly significantly better. I I assume it is from what knock said <hes> <hes> but <hes> that that's kind of what I'm waiting for its next year. It's a whole nother year from now. Maybe I won't wait that long. <hes> thank you mic. I sure appreciate that I sure do appreciate that did I. <hes> I enjoy being here tremendously young Frankenstein Tremblay exactly what hope yes exactly so. That's the the story from this book anyway. My friend told me about that. He was reading where where the title and <hes> for for walk. This way came from <hes> so yeah so let's see I got four minutes left. Anybody got anything for me <hes> Tech Dino. I told you the encore tunes scrolling back up here. Somebody said something about Idyllwild <hes> desert moon in Waikiki Guru. We're talking about Idyllwild and Idyllwild California. <hes> is certainly one of my favorite places. My parents actually helped found and start the Idyllwild School of music and the arts of otherwise known as Ice Amata which was an extension campus of U._S._C. where they were music six students at the time and so I've been up to idyllwild many times and really love it up there. They had some bad fires last fire season so I'm hoping they're doing okay <hes> Franken st no yes might be thank you very much. I appreciate it Gary is asking how are the Samsung q l._e._d.. They're quite good at least the ones that have back lighting rather than edge lighting and that would be the q ninety are maybe the Q. Eighty <hes> the lower ones have edge lighting and I don't like him as well but I the q ninety are was in when the flat panel shootout in New York last month and it looked really good not as good as the all leads. I'm still in an old ED. I have a preference for lead but <hes> the Samsung looked better than the Sony Z nine nine F- <hes> better blacks blacks were little crushed and that couldn't be fixed apparently by the calendars but <hes> colors look great <hes> it was plenty bright <hes> <hes> I liked it a lot desert moon says the roads are pretty much open. Now that's good. I'm glad you any upcoming movies. I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing and Dobie Vision <hes> yes. I didn't see toy story four when it was first out but I'm I I hope to see it <hes> sometime relatively soon <hes> because I think that would probably look really good. <hes> <hes> lawn dog has some we have something in common in idyllwild. His great grandfather started the water company and the first real estate company wound his uncle was postmaster. Wow very cool. <hes> <hes> say Lou. 'em says <hes> Yeah Waikiki Guru. Let's see llandough. Aluminum is saying looking for an outdoor theater. Do I know these items so I'm going to click on that and it's gonNA bring up chrome. That's my default. Sorry about that here. In a Mac you safari. It's so much faster and lighter way yeah yeah well. I think you could use yet. Your sink is now gone. Wow we know exactly exactly what the problem like. The figured it out. Thank you might be well. Hey Hey hey how are you today. Leo LaPorte the Tech Guy Time to talk computers the Internet Home Theater digital photography. We got smartphones. We've got your smart watches. Get all that jazz eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo that's the phone number eight eight eight eight two seven five five three six toll free from anywhere in the U._S. or Canada. We'd love to hear from you. Website is Tech Guy Labs Dot Com jarome which always this is going on behind the scenes I._R._C. Twit Dot T. V.. Let's get back to the phones Joe Greenville South Carolina Hello Joe I called last week about <hes> getting my phone up up upgraded from an older operating system up and did you get upgraded yeah well no I haven't I found a couple of phones that I like and I wanted to ask your opinion on one. The Verizon and sprint have a a fifty Samsung phone. Yes so all of the all of the really really nice for the price yeah. That's the keys for the price. All of the carriers will carry Junkie Samsung phones because they want to be able to offer a free or low cost this one that doesn't seem like <hes> junkie one because it's got full lights do resolution. I mean all funds sold today have full H._D.. Resolution that's just ten eighty p. That's generally generally the the kind of standard well the <HES> The g seven only have seven twenty eight I'll be honest with you looked at them side by side. You probably wouldn't notice a difference but anyway that's also because it's a smaller screen. This has a fairly big screen. It's a six point four inch screen which is pretty big on the T. mobile and found one on <hes> they actually T. mobile. Should you'd have also have the Samsung eight fifty. There's a G._S._M.. Row I called him. I called them and they don't even they don't do it there. They're gonNA get it okay. <hes> I'll found an international version on Amazon. Yeah no the pros and cons about getting a non lock G._S._M.. As long as it's G._S._M.. It'll run fine on T. mobile. You do WanNa look you know a lot of times on the listing the risk on the Internet a couple of things with the international one is you're not going service and support is different so you may not get the service you expect the other thing on that is that the radios may be different all over the world radio frequencies vary so if you get a phone designed for Europe in the Middle East it may not have the same frequencies as a phone in the U._S.. Usually it will work but it may not work exactly as well. It may not support Lt might only support three g that kind of thing so it's a good idea if you can to look at the frequencies and see if you can match the frequencies to the ones that T. mobile. I presume T. mobile as a carrier. You want yeah yeah. I'm looking at the fifty. It's not a bad phone. It's fine it like I said all companies almost all companies not apple but almost everybody else tries to make some lower end phones that they can sell <hes> as come on to the phone store the you know the problem I have is I only by the flagship phones owns the most expensive phones I understand. Most people are spent a thousand dollars on the phone and so when I say it's junkie. I'm just saying well it ain't it ain't this ten but yeah you're absolutely right. It's fine. It has the late here the things you want to make sure you're going to get the latest version of android in this android nine point zero android ten is is in development but not out yet <hes> you can do a public Beta but not the not the release version <hes>. This phone came out in the spring so it's it's a fairly a recent hardware <hes> including an exodus processor which is Samsung's own personal version of the qualcomm processor. We mostly use in the United States has a lot of Bram actually the very large battery so I think he's going to be okay the only I'm looking at the camera that might be one that maybe not. It's got triple ends which is kind of like the ten A._O.. This is eight fifty looks alright I would i would read some reviews. I haven't looked at the. I haven't really looked at this <hes> phone because <hes> it's kind of it's it's a mid range but this is from for a mid range phone. This is not bad probably comparable to the moto couple of things you're going to look for. <hes> and I'm not sure who's better at this. At this point is how quickly they get. The updates re not only do you want the latest version of android. That's the most important thing but their security patches every month now from Google on a Galaxy S. Tan their most expensive phone well. Maybe not not now that the fold is about to come out of the note ten but for for the moment the most expensive phone and <hes> it hasn't been updated since May even though we're here in July hi and that's not good. I should have at least June update. July update is out for some phones now. That's because I'm using it unlocked <hes> if some carriers push have already pushed it out so I don't that's one issue you don't WanNa get too far are behind those updates because you know as we've spoken about before updates security patches important apply soon as they're available. The other side of that is <hes> <hes>. I don't know what Motorola is either. You know the only people who really get updates all the time for android Verte Google themselves the pixels so if you're if you're interested in a note ten by the way Samsung has sent out the invitations. I got one but it's a New York so I don't think I'll be going to their event which will be in August be next month. August seventh galaxy note ten launched. I know a lot of people with note love the note. I've owned every note since the first one I was. I was early on this because people said that's too big that phone. I think the original note was five point six inches or something compare this to the fifty were just talking about which is six point four inches but that's too big. You know who would want a phone like that but I love the big funds. I am a little worried however there's a leak of a photo of the note ten looks pretty official comes from ever leaks is usually pretty good does not have a headphone Jack that worries me maybe not you. Maybe you don't care don't care. Maybe you don't need a headphone Jack. I think the reason I stick with Samsung because they stick with the headphone Jack. I like headphone Jacks. Thank you very much. Google doesn't do them anymore. Apple doesn't do them anymore. And I'm afraid Samsung might be joining that silly train the silly headphone Jack `less train. It'd be very disappointed to see that so yeah I mean I'm not gonNa tell you which which which phone is the best show but I think that looks like a pretty good phone. T. mobile probably has something comparable. I would ask them the advantage of getting it from the T mobile store. If you're T mobile customers you've got somewhere to bring it back to if you buy it on Amazon unlocked international version Ryan getting repairs is going to be really difficult. Maybe not even possible so that's the thing to think about if that phone you get that out of the box. It's a lemon if you're at you gotTA T. mobile store. It's easy you bring it in. They go sorry okay. Here's a new one. I don't know what you would do if you got unlocked from Amazon Eighty eight eighty eight asked what do you think do you think your headphone. Jack is in necessity in a modern phone. I think so let's talk. I I think yeah I think I just baffled by this. Run away from the headphone Jack. I don't I think apple why do people slavishly follow Apple's trends why well here's an iphone right here but I just think it's a I don't apple claims they all they don't have room for headphone Jack but somehow Samson crams one in I don't I think it's just bs well. Maybe on the no ten but I haven't asked ten which is wonderful. It's my favorite phone actually brought my Samsung and I would send an email somebody would say unknown. I remember that. Did you ever figure that out there. Oh it's just corrupted. I guess corrupted <hes> contact list. I Guess Cnet folks sitting at home but but but newer phones haven't had that problem I I went to this horizon gave me his iphone Nice. Try The IPHONE. They didn't charge me for Se- Vit- work wow you must have been a pain the old C._e._o.. Many get the person next door and you get a lot. That's the best thing to do. Do you pull the teenage mutant Ninja Turtle Card pull a T._N._T.. Card yeah I do Yeah No. It's always the best way to do it. When a nightmare what a nightmare that turned out to over your head he said we are oh well? Well there you go from the president's office. Yes we're in over through or your call talking to you go Bobbi. Are you there yeah yeah it's because cell phones are no longer for. They're not phones that last thing people do is make phone calls right yeah. It's all yeah it's all stern it. Yeah look at Yes snapchat selfies it is it's really it's fascinating to watch Leo ellipoid the Tech Guy Eighty eight eighty eight. Ask Leo Paul in Louisville Kentucky. Hello Paul. Hey how you doing. I'm great. How are you well <hes> before asked him a main question? <hes> I just WANNA say <hes> anytime. I hear you talk a Scott Wilkerson. I think <hes> about <unk> out. I think he'd be very amused to watch a special you had on the old tech TV. Special was about a new technology skuld H._D.. You do you remember the show. Yes probably the new screen savers yeah. I don't remember doing it but it was a special program. It wasn't one of your regular might have been an advertising thing it was it was like a panel he had a panel of Oh. My Gosh Gosh it's here. It's coming H._d._T._v.. What do we do look for it on Youtube but I can't find yeah you know? I wish everything that we did on TV. Were available on Youtube because just for the humor factor of you know seeing what we thought was cool twenty years ago. Oh I think he'd get a laugh out of I think though <hes> you know think about what it'll be like twenty years from now you know what we'll be looking back and saying man. We should stop Google when we had a chance. I don't know I don't know I don't know it's Uh not you were so <hes> it was so new that you really kind of making some some critical remarks about it like you didn't think it was gonna work out or something that that's how new it was you know I probably I hope I wasn't saying this is terrible because I remember how incredible I thought it looked but I probably saying something like but good luck finding any content for it and that's true again right for circuit city. It was like like six thousand now. It's really expensive and there's nothing to watch and then that happened and then there was a lot now everything's H._d.. Even your phone your phone is an H._D.. Screen and then and then four K. came out same thing happened for K. in this much more recently <hes> have you there was no content now. There's a lot more content. Fact Hulu just announced their streaming and four K. netflix streams of four K.. Almost everybody does now except your cable company. I used to videotape. You're shows and I wish you had a copy of it. It was great. I honestly you know the those that all T._v.. Stuff is owned by N._B._C. Universal because comcast bought it and comcast of course owns N._B._C. and initially when people would upload those videos to Youtube. They said No. No you can't do that. They take them down. I think they've given up because they have no value. Nobody it's all in the STAHL JE value so I if you've got tapes folks if you've got that one uploaded to youtube they're not gonNA yeah. I I give you permission to have the right to but I give you permission. Here's my main question yeah you know. I've never heard you talk about this when you're talking about the security the V._p._n.. Senegal old whom wondered it <hes> you know when you're in a coffee shop or a hotel whatever and using free with <hes> before you connect the forty you can connect your v._p._n.. You have to get a connection <hes> for the Wifi so there's a period of time where you're you're. You're you're unprotected. Is there is a risk in that period of time before you connect your v._p._n.. Do you know what I'm talking about. You're talking about and this is something that I have you know inveighed against for years. Something called a captive portal. We just haven't figured out a better way to do it so the idea is we're going to give you wi fi but before you use our Wifi we would like you to sign an agreement. Maybe give us an email address. Whatever a web page? The user is obligated to view and interact with perhaps agreeing to some terms before they give you access. That's a captive portal. It is it it is a it's broken does not in any respect <hes> adhere to any of the standards of the Internet it kind of breaks everything <hes> and so there's all sorts of problems with the captive portal you know I'm sure you've tried to use one on a iphone and then waited and waited and waited. Apple has his very interesting solution to captive portals actually have a site. I think it's captive dot apple dot com that will load up and then apple go the iphone. Oh I get it and show you the captive portal and sign in briefly during that moment your a hardware is visible on that network sort of I guess I mean actually I don't. It may not be fully visible because you haven't yet signed in. And perhaps your slightly vulnerable but the minute the minute you turn on the V._p._n.. That all goes away so I wouldn't worry too much about that. You're you're only interacting with a captive portal right noticed recently that the <hes> I downloaded it. The opera's claims that it it has a built-in depending. Are you aware that I am and I don't recommend it okay so the original opera V._p._N.. First of all anytime I guess I should step back explain V._P._N.. Briefly virtual title private network the idea is you're kind of you're kicking the security and privacy can down the road you saying well. I don't trust where I am right now because my Internet service providers spies on what I'm doing and sells it many do maybe because I'm at a coffee shop and I'm worried about that guy in the corner and the Hoodie <hes> so might be security might be privacy so what you do with V._p._n.. Is You actually encrypt all your data to some other server out there in the real world and that's where you emerge on the public internet. You have to be on the public internet at some point. You don't have to do it from that coffee shop so but it does it does kick the privacy security issue down the road to the V._p._n.. Server they have all the rights and access that the coffee shop does US or your I._S._p.. Does they're they're now the person putting you on the Internet so you have to trust them because if they decide to spy on you or they just they could there are v._p._N.'s it will through poor configuration leakier information out to the Internet Internet there V._p._N.'s that will <hes> track what you're doing and sell that to the to any marketing firm that wants to know they're even V._p._N.'s will inject advertising in into your V._P._n.. Traffic how is that a good thing while all none of it is operas V._P.. I think they may have changes initial. It's free right <hes>. It isn't exactly a V._P._N.. <hes> I think initially there was some concern about about the service itself itself like <hes> what was what was opera up to giving it away makes me wonder <hes> there's there's usually because it costs money to run that server a lot of money so how are they monetize ing that offers a free browser and they're giving a free V._p._N.. Will somewhere in there. They're making money and until I know exactly how the other issue was initially. The Opera V._P._N.. Wasn't even really a V._p._N.. It was a proxy service. I don't know if that's still the case so that's at this <hes> Leo I is there anything that is lower risk when you let's say you're using public. Let's say you're just watching a youtube video or you're just <hes> googling is that are you still. You're not when you're by what you'll notice. When you're on Youtube it's H._T._T._p._S. right that now so that means that the the access point you're on the provider whereas brightening your next is can see that you're a youtube? They can't see what you're doing. You can see what videos you're watching. That's encrypted but that's between you and youtube deal. Would it wouldn't be too much of a risk to watch a video or do a google search will on free. Why no I don't think so google your encrypted to Google? Google knows what you're searching for but that's that's always the case by the way even incognito mode on your browser doesn't hide you google <hes> so Google knows what you're searching for. Google knows what videos you're watching but the local guy does not so anytime you're on in fact. You shouldn't use email <hes> unless it's encrypted. You shouldn't go to the bank or by stuff unless it's encrypted but you'll see H._t._t._p._S.. If you're really worried make sure that certificate is from the company you're going to not the coffee shop here in. They're not doing a man in the middle but as as long as your encrypted they know where you're going they don't they don't know what you're doing and I think for a lot of people that sufficient. Hey Johnny jet traveling guy. How are you today good how you doing? I'm doing great. We're talking about travel routers so yeah the you you said when you were talking to that guy about using a v._p._n.. A coffee shop you didn't mention the most important thing. I don't know if it's the most important thing is certainly has an issue the notion that when you're sitting in a coffee shop with a WIFI computer in in theory a bad guy with with with the right kind of hardware can attempt to hack your computer one of the hacks that they do is clever and by the way these devices you can buy them online. The one of them is called a Wifi pineapple and what it will will do is if you're sufficiently skilled. If you have mad hacking skills is you go out and you look at people's computers and what you can get. I don't know how but somehow you can get a list of the WIFI access points. They've joined it looked for the one that's their house and then impersonated impersonated with a nice strong signal and your computer's GonNa say oh we're home and you know you don't have to log in when you get home right computer. Just goes. We're home enjoins that router and now the bad guy pretending is in person in your home router is in fact your man in the middle between you and the outside world and he can do other things that's pretty nasty and I don't think it's very common but you're right. You should worry about that. I guess yeah I mean that's definitely something to worry about. I mean there's impersonators everywhere. I actually just got an email today from a reader saying that they saw pictures of me on some dating site. You're a good looking guy I would. I would swipe right on you but the problem is they're. I tap it many times where people actually take my images pretend they live the lifestyle you can do. There's nothing then you're an influence her right well. It really is disturbing. Her sister got divorced because she thought she was falling in love with me and I was like Lord. It's wait a minute. Stop the insanity. I have all these photos of me traveling around the world anyway I get it. I get it she wants the free ticket to Paradise Looks. They're looking. They're trying to get travel. He's a ticket to paradise yeah welcome so this is something nobody talk. I'm going to talk about it but nobody will talk about this. Everybody in the public is soon as you get a T._v.. Show you are subject to all sorts of looney tunes stalkers and nut jobs now. That's always been the case but now that there's the Internet net. It's much much worse because these people don't have to be you know in Hollywood they can be anywhere and every single celebrity has professionals working for them tracking if they can afford it you you and I can't but tracking down these people putting them out of business breaking legs here and there whatever it is they need to do. It's a universal problem. Nobody talks about it 'cause they. Don't want to quote feed the trolls right but if you're in the public either these days you have trolls roles because it's just makes it easy with the Internet so I'm sorry that happened to you johnny but it's the price you pay. I think sometimes too high frankly for fame and fortune. I'm glad I'm not a celebrity. I mean it was because I I have I've had stalkers. I've had nasty comments emails. I wouldn't use pitcher. You've seen week a jack in a big soccer. Star begging Rappeneau and I got so many nets because the world is full of nasty. It only takes one a tenth of one percent but that's still millions yeah so the <hes> you've seen pictures of Kano Reeves right the way he the way now he poses for selfish because first of all of your celebrity used to be they'd asked for autographs. The Bane of all celebrities now is everybody he wants to picture. Everybody wants to pitch and they all want selfish which means you have to stand next on. Put your arm around them. Wait for them to get their camera going and take the Selfie so annoying and then but but but the big fear now is because of Metoo so you'll see every picture you see if he's got his hand sticking straight out behind the person so that it's clear he is not engulfing him or her with his embrace yep. He's smart. I have to do that do when I've taken pictures but everybody we should all do that now. In fact I'm doing it to you right now. Hand is not touching you right. <hes> that's why the smart celebrities by the way they grab your cell phone and say let me take the picture of so they don't have to wait a a minute free to try and start doing that at the debate. I thought what's he doing. What's he doing so you think they don't know how to take selfies? Let me do it saves time it really does but that's my advice my advice to you. My my friend do not become famous. I'm not trying to be you. Are Johnny jet now. I'm just trying to be. I try to put out good information that helps people travel see the world. We're just trying to do the good work that we do but we don't we're not we're not looking to be Kano famous. I've flown Keno and I've got a picture with him on a plane one. Did he touch you know she didn't touch me. He's a nice guy. He's a great guy eyesight very smart. I recognize the airport often hear his voice. That's how I recognize. You know what I admire him that means. He's not doing what everybody else does the private you know executive terminal thing no no. I've you see I see big time celebrities. If I look almost every time I go. I had always almost always I see him won't get ready because we're going to see. We're going to see deep fakes of everybody. We're gonna you know these videos. It looked like I mean it's just we're this is what I'm talking about. I don't think the problem with A._I.. Is going to be artificial consciousness. I think the problem with A._I.. Is Humans using it in militias ways. I'm with you so how much time we have so I can give you a website or an APP two and a half minutes all right so let's talk about this here. Here's a way to save some money. It's called Provo P._R.. U._V. Oh he are the websites P._r.. yu-gi-oh dot net so whenever you book a hotel room there's a good chance the price vice might go down so with these guys as long as you book a non refundable room which is key sorry refundable. That's just saying it must be refundable. Let's see refundable then you forward it to save S._A._B.. At provo dot net yes and they will monitor it for free and then they will let you know if the price drops and if it does then they'll walk you through the steps which is normally you would then cancel your years old reservation. Don't cancel your old when you first book the new one and then cancel the old want to make sure that you don't get locked out. I bet hotels hate this with a passion they do because the closer you get to your your hotel arrival you know and they're not selling the room. They're gonNA WANNA lower it to try to try and sell it because a hotel room that goes empty is a lost revenue yeah so this is a great way. You can do it on the APP to Android and I._O._S.. Risk and just download it and just forward it. Just whatever you can book you. Don't book the approve. Oh you book through wherever wherever you want to book through there just monitoring basic. It's a monitoring whatever monitor it then you just for it and and with this thing by the way I see that guy that tra- vago guy what is the what is it. I heard a really nice guy. I heard he lives in Germany. He's American got arrested on the highway because he passed out drunk but that's another story for another day or is that Mr Vago. Maybe I'm wrong on that one. I heard Germany and I heard he's a really nice okay good and are they owned yeah. They're expedia see. That's the funny funny thing you think Oh. I'm using <unk> Vago. I'm not using expedient now. It's expedia group they own they own half of them. The other half is owned by another company. That's the weird thing you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying should expedia owns hotels dot com V._R.. B. O. Travolta go home away orbits travelocity hot wire e book. It's e- e- bookers and cheap tickets. That's all the EXPEDIA group yeah. Isn't that crazy. The world's all consolidation my friend <music>. I've used up all your time thank you Johnny jet. Go to Johnny Jet Dot Com for great travel advice so let me let me let me just read you this story because he might be a nice guy. I'm sure he's a nice guy. He was arrested in Houston. <hes> I guess I this is the strangest thing I ever saw in my life and I it was yeah. This could happen to anybody. I'm just saying I I'm just saying this could happen to anybody. Police say they found the tra- bravado. Pitch man passed out in a car in a moving lane of traffic. That could happen to anybody okay. I'm just saying that they can't have a thing that could happen to anybody. I don't want to hold it against him. Anybody could pass out in a moving lane of traffic. He was apparently a little inebriated. He was passed out with his foot on the break in a moving lane of traffic. I have no respect for anyone who drives drunk with these days. He wasn't driving the giants. I want to point out. He was passed out with his foot on the brake. That's ridiculous. He should be arrested for that <hes> well he was he misdemeanor driving while intoxicated should not be a misdemeanor yeah that shouldn't be they. Don't have the full details. But where did he come from. He's just some actor right. He's an actor yeah he but he's so distinctive that you see this vago guy with his half shaven little fuzz and it's like what the hell you know. The person who worked on their campaign was telling me there was all these things like there was a lot of thought into city. Where a belt should he not wear? He's trying to trying to look like a real person. He apparently well. He was on the cosby show well that explains a lot and law and order but <hes> every actor I know was at least a body on law and order or one of the COP shows right. That's that's the job in the beginning actors. Get about an actor dead body number three did he start as a dead body. Kevin Costner got together back in the oceans oceans eight or way back. Oh Yeah Oh yeah yeah yeah. That was a great movie. Oh Yeah Yeah Costner was a dead guy. They were all there to the yeah. What was the name of that was a great movie? I love that not not my dinner with Andrea or my weekend at Bernie's not either of those Bernese. It was hilarious. The light gray who tiger woods was asleep at an intersection with light green. That's different though he was just tired tired anyway Johnny. I don't know I'm GONNA mood. I can tell you know what I'm GonNa mood you've said before you're in a mood I think it's related to this coffee. Keep Santa Santa Cruz Santa Cruz Weird. I don't know they just handed it to me. Yeah well <hes> I haven't been to Santa Cruz in Awhile <hes> college. I played them in the cross and you know what their mascot as as U._C.. Santa Banana Slug I know because my dad was a professor there. Oh of course you know yeah really can play the banana slugs. Did you beat him. I hope you beat the crap out of them. Ten Goals Day ten end goal so you were elax Bro. Yes that is across all age and Johnny Jet Ski elax Pro. You've really re- reformed. I tried all right well. I hope you have a great week Bob. Tour back wants you to know he flew L._A.. To Oakland Long Beach to Oakland for twenty dollars last week was that South West South West loop probably jet Blue Yup big sale. No wasn't a mistake big sale. 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What are you grandma Dr Neck and no no your are? Your are echo expert well. I finally got my the hands on the Amazon a word auto. I got it this way. I thought that that was the one where they had people sign up months ago to preview and then they nobody ever got it to finally they're sending them out. <hes> I finally got it installed it. Does it go on your <hes>. Is it going here later Jack. Where does it go? They give you a lighter Jack Adapter that plugs into a U._S._B.. So most modern cars will have a U._S._B.. Port you can just plug it into that. Who is that wait a minute who sat in the background well? Let's see we have my grandsons here. Oh Hi hi baby. How how old is your grandson? I very all right thirteen months. <hes> what's what's his name Cameron Cameron Marin. It's okay at Grandma's just talking to a Weirdo on the radio. It's okay well. It was looking at you before and laughing so I think he appreciated. It's a story of my life so <hes>. What do you think it's it's interesting? It gives you voice control so that you don't have to be reaching done touching what it does it Bluetooth connect to your phone and then your phone since the sound for your car yes so that's kind of what the what the row f. did the Vivo Oh right so that's a little weird but I guess your car doesn't have that computational powers in some cases so the phone does the work and then you're you have to Bluetooth pair your phone in the car speakers to really. It's your phone you're talking to you're talking to your phone. However it gives you all the commands that you would normally have if you were using the Amazon device you can say what the weather interesting things? If you ask for directions it'll fire up whatever APP you specified on your phone own yeah and show you the direction. I use ways I say how do I get to the grocery. Store up comes ways and shows me the directors such up comes ways on your phone so we should mention the doctor. Mom drives his antiquated kind of vehicle. Call the Tesla. It doesn't have android auto or apples carplay right if you've got that you don't need any of this right. I mean it's interesting if you can get it at the promotional price which is fifty percent off. It's worth it. I'm not sure I would get it at the appropriate the other thing to remember if you not like me and don't have a grandfathered unlimited data plan. We chose her. Your data very I bet your data plan. Yeah Yeah See I had the Roy Vivo and I used differ a little bit but I just you know you're of course you're tesla has voice activation maps and all of that stuff and so most cars have these capabilities. This would be most valuable an older car that didn't yeah. I think you're exactly right. I mean it's interesting. I got it at half-price. I'm probably going to take it out of the car in another week or so and put it on the shelf with electronics to retire. You're going to be like Dick Debartolo soon with the Gadget Warehouse You keep this up Dr Ma no no no no no no no right now I have unpacked approximately hundreds of sixty four hundred and fifty bucks and I'm fifty been all the paper they stuff in these passes boxes seventy five of them with ceramic little ceramic <hes> statuettes assets right. No things like I uncovered a plastic tray a disposable plastics ray. I have no idea I know you're living my life. I find stuff and then and then the other side of that is for instance. I was trying to get the Osmo I have an Osmo Jimbo alarm for your phone that gives you super steady video and I you know I was going to bring that into work so that <hes> Masako our social media director could use it and I couldn't find the charging cable. It was weird charging cable ahead of headphone Jack at one in Taipei connector and I know I saw that somewhere so what is this through it out because I forgot so I just threw it out. I'm sure I did send it all right. I'm still looking for charging cords these days most things use these I save the wrong things I have boxes full of chargers that don't go anywhere that don't charge anything and then the one thing I want to charge can't find that one so it's it's a I may call you up and tell you what size and power and if you've got a charger for high probably do. I have everything it just doesn't. I don't have the thing they connected to. This is actually a pet peeve of mine is these wall warts these little plastic things you plug in the wall with charges on the other end never say the company or you know what this goes to. They just say some random Chinese manufacturers name so you never know and if I think about it I'll get a brother label maker and I'll put a label on their this this goes to the Roku or something but most of the time I don't so I have all these random charges. I have no idea what they belong to and I don't dare throw them out because that would be intelligent Organiz and that's not me I know and it's just a simple factory ship a power adapter for your device. Put Your name put the device name. You could write it in a sharpie. I don't care just please put it on that though I so I don't have to doc <hes> Dr Mom. You're in San Diego yet. Have you moved yet yeah good. I've got one suggestion. Remember that guy who called in the first hour talking about streamers you can stream movies. You bought on Itunes to a Roko. Oh how do you do that Disney movie anywhere movies anywhere correct yeah rented but movies you purchase string. I do that everybody if you're not using movies anywhere because movies you buy Google Amazon Apple of do a huge selection of places where you buy movies and T._V.. Shows does do T._v.. Shows or only movies anything you've purchased example on prime. It won't put movies. You've marked in your library because they're on prime if those don't show any purchase to buy them but then you can play him yeah so you can put the movies anywhere APP on your Roku and now you can see your apple movies exactly as I do that and I think that it's free it's a great service. I everybody should do Dan. Thank you Dr Mom. Thank you Cameron. Okay Cameron Way Bye bye bye bye bye cameron but by let's say hi to Steven in San Antonio Hi Stephen some quite can understand tongue-tied but anyway no problem go right ahead. I WANNA find out is it better to save my startup and all my programs on a separate disc or should I take a picture of the her drive and save that on the disk which is better or are they the same there. That's a really great question and there aren't they are different and they have different purposes so the snapping a picture picture loved. That's a great image for it is called. We call it imaging the hard drive and what you're doing is making the exact mirror copy of everything on the hard drive bootle bootle mirror copy of everything on the hard drive. I do that when I first set up. The machine because that's got perfect is clean. Nothing no bad stuff on it so it's nice to have that makes it for quick reinstall because you can get right back to that point. The Nice thing about an image is you can blast back on the hard drive quickly or if you get a new hard drive you blasted lasted on it on hard drive and you're up and running much faster than installing everything so that's one advantage. The problem with that is that's frozen in time right so as as you install new programs create new documents all of that it's at a date and it gets out of date really quickly so for that you need a image not an image but a file backup. You need an incremental file backup. I use both I like to make images in fact you can make images every month. You can make an image so it's easy to go back a month but you still all need a file by file backup. I would highly recommend doing that so do both in other words Stephen Yeah that sounds really makes sense yeah just to give you a hint. I lost seventy pounds sounds drinking ginger juice man and you had a very calm stomach to did you eat anything or just drink ginger juice. I I don't eat much anyway. Order child's play a ginger juice in the child's played to go. Please Leo LaPorte Teke Wow. I can't believe ginger juice. Is it really spicy Stephen. I I tend to make things spicy myself and so yeah it is and I did I gave it to me because my throat was swollen. Show Yeah Yeah Yeah. I love Ginger but you're not talking like drinking verners Ginger Ale L. I. by thirty pound boxes juice. Oh my God do you peel it. I know the I got a Jack Elaine. What's that you don't have to peel okay so it keeps keeps the rind out to check that out and is just pure ginger juice? Well no no not God that would kill you to one and people say strong. It's you know poor parts of gender. Some people think it's strong. You just have to make the way you can handle it. I love Ginger. Though I mean I honestly I think ginger is delicious so maybe I'll try. I also I also do put some splendens yeah yeah you have Sweden up a little eh but that's not bad so I lost twenty five pounds of first month and nobody could figure out why and then I kept losing weight and you know I mean I can't guarantee you ginger but I'm seventy pounds wider. That's an amazing weight. We lost that's awesome. Congratulations Balkars over worried but I'm still healthy and my skin is everybody says my skin is healthy were you. You must have been seventy pounds overweight right Nah. Yeah I was at two twenty five. Did you get to twenty five. If you only child's portions on that that was before I learned Oh that was that was when you eight grownup portions yeah you you gotTa Chew Slow and S.. S. Eight I get small paper plates or whatever and I put my meals on there and he just gotta learn how to eat bless you. I'm congratulations. That's awesome. Thank you well. Thank you for answering my Clarkson my by the thank thank you for giving me the advice on the track track air because that's what I'm talking to you with right. Now I love it. I love them all. I loved him. That sounds great. I would have no idea I think those trucks are incredible the after shocks. I didn't like them. Yeah I saw they have that I like this. What you have the little airs go round your head and you can wear them all day they don't you don't feel them? The sunglasses goal in the little cartilage on the back and at the end of the year low does does that work. Does this sound good or no. It sounds good but it's kind of hard to keep them snapped in and and other people can hear the sounds and my complained about it so I I didn't like him. As good as I do these hedge. I live in my aftershocks so that's Gosh you mentioned there is sponsored but I still I I do too I do too. Hey Nice to talk to you. Steven have a good one bye well. Hey Hey hey. How are you today? Leo Laporte here the Tech Guy Time to talk computers the Internet Home Theater Digital Photography smartphones the smart watches all that jazz anything we talked about in the show by the way and when I give out links and all that stuff that'll be at the website tech guy labs dot contact guy labs dot com line to Donna Hudson in Florida. Hello Donna Hey Leo nice to thanks for taking my call Nice to meet you. Thanks for calling for you okay. I'm looking for a new processor for our small home business. My husband needs a new laptop to you. Have we're not apple fans and so <hes> I don't want Mac. I don't want anything I'm familiar with the H._p.. The ACIS little laptops. Whatever but do you have any good brands that you can recommend or you suggest for small businesses? I mean the best deals and fairly good support are available at your big bucks stores. You know you're Sam's Club your price club your Costco. They often have they aren't the top of the line machines. They're often <hes> either a slow seller for the companies or maybe last year's model but because they have great return policies and usually very good support. It's a good place to get a great deal. So price is really important to you try. The big box stores the companies. He's I recommend our H._p.. Dell they'll. They'll have both models at a at a any big box store and you of course you can always go online and buy these two but H._p.. Dell if you WANNA get a spent a little bit more and get something really rock solid is it you want a laptop or a desktop. We need both okay. I am for the Lenovo. ThinkPad laptops are my first choice last choice and only choice when I buy a laptop I really like them but the Novo's desktops tops. Maybe not so much <hes> so I would for honestly what we use here in our offices is Dell desktops. All of our editors are using workstations for doing the video editing. We do a lot of that. I take two three thousand pictures a week at our writer. Classes burned disc customers. We what's Your Business <hes> ride like a pro. My husband's a retired motor officers. We teach civilian writers how to ride like us. Oh thank you thank you well. I wish you should be teaching every motorcycle rider in the entire country. Please we do we have videos the public the book we have a big youtube following on ride lice. you see people do such crazy things. I see it every week classes. It makes me so sad because I know that yeah. They're going to get away with it. Maybe today but maybe not forever. It's safe called Dumb luck. It's dumb luck. Yes yes because they come pulling into the parking lot. They can't turn the bike. They're dragging their feet. My guys got guys got an eight hundred pound bike. He's been writing for thirty years. I get on the bike. I have a big electra glide and my husband so they think that okay she can't do anything I get on. I think follow me through the course and 'cause they bring their wives and they wanNA ride through the course with their wives they think they're experts and it's embarrassing while they the first exercise their their way behind on or electric Zip Zip Zip through the list just sit here and when you get a little as per progressing through the class. How about you put your wife on? If we see your skills that's true but it's yeah it's a lot of fun. We're black is your husband Jerry motormen Palladino living legend Cam ride like a pro dot com. I'll give you a big fat plug for that one so yeah I I wish everybody would take your classes at least watch the videos and learn and we love what we do. We're blessed and there's so many riders that he's helped and I mean I'm sure as as a motorcycle officer. He saw all his crazy bad behavior. Yes and that's when he said he rarely learned how to ride. He thought he knew how to ride twenty five years before he became a motorman. He said the first day at training with the Highway Patrol here in Florida. He said he knew nothing. It was a real eye-opener. He came home. He said Hun we gotta teach this to everyone. We know so that's where a little my wife rides and I and I you know I she's taking classes by said you gotTa really learn before. We're I'll let you go out on that thing but it's funny because I do. I often will Ri- behind motorcycle officers and I and I think you know what they they don't get hurt. They must know what they're doing. There's gotta be something that they do right three techniques three remoter techniques they've been teaching at the cops for over sixty five years and the general public when they see US turn they think I'm GonNa cop which is wonderful thing and I'm like no because you do the right thing to do. What should what should car got you to auto? Drivers know about motorcyclists. What should we be paying attention to help it? Be Safer for them. Your phone down. Yes down pay attention. Yes just please it's like oh you gotTa have my heads on a swivel every Sunday coming from our client me too so <hes> I'm driving. I'm always chicken the mirrors I see somebody behind me lane splitting what should I do. Should I slow down pullover. Should I just drive straight. What do I do when people see here in Florida? It's we can't lane being split. I wouldn't do it if it was allowed. It's it's legal in California. I see people at seventy miles an hour lane splitting yeah <hes> as far as we're concerned it's deadly. It's dangerous if you don't know what you're doing a lot of the CROTCH rocket riders. They're you know they do everything being fast but the problem is you might be perfect but you can't. You don't know what that motorist is going to do. In his car backley he could go six inches to the left and your squashed. Yes and a lot of guys are sitting in traffic automobiles. They this guy coming up splitting Elaine and they opened their doors and kill the guy. It's just people are Crazy Leo's because they're young and they don't know their mortal. They don't think nothing's ever going and I know way too many nineteen year olds who are no no longer with us because they thought oh nothing can happen to me indeed well anyway. I WANNA help you so <hes> I think Dell's are great in fact the easiest no brainer is just say Dell and and you know what if you're doing it as a business call him go through their business office. Who get a discount? They'll help you consult with you. The X. P._S.. Laptops the best laptops really good laptops beautiful <hes> the Dell desktops workstations are very good. I I think for the kind of stuff you're doing. That's the easiest straight most straightforward way to to go. Go for wonderful yeah there other names that are great but I you know I don't want to disparage Lenovo or H._p.. They're good tool but Dell Dell is really great for business. That's what we use because my husband would not let me leave the house until I called you. Bless them. Leo The Tech Guy we see you. He's always out in the garage with the bikes doing this or that and he's and I said what I said I listened to him when I'm running into public nice to that guy on ask him. He doesn't seem like he knows anything. I'm the motor man technologie baby so I I am gladly sitting here on hold for a long time waiting to hear because this is a big deal for us. We you have to get the right equipment and makes my life a lot easier well next time. I'm in Hudson Hudson. I'M GONNA GONNA look you guys up. Ride like a pro dot com and <hes> everybody who does ride should at least look at videos of their on youtube. Have our website ride like a pro dot com good glad to give you a plug because that's really for everybody's benefit whether you're right or not right right. You have a great week pleasure. Thanks for your patience Donna all right take care. I love it. Never you will catch me on one of those things for a million bucks I row I've ridden a motorcycle. It's like flying which is it's I can understand the appeal but no <hes> John in Mangum Mangum Oklahoma. Hey John Halio <hes> followed up in our last call from last week. I remember talking to you yeah yeah. I'm trying to get to <hes> mid global. I need to have T. mobile to do that. And so I went to T. mobile and on their website they sell an Alcatel three eight inch tablet Oh perfect which has two gigabytes of Ram and sixteen megabytes of Rom so so this is a low end tablet shouldn't be very expensive when sixty eight okay. That's pretty good. <hes> somebody reminds me that I meant to tell you this last week A._T.. And T. does have a free tablet. Deal is probably a comparable lower end tablet tablet but you just wanted to do remind me what you want to do with his tablet was very simple right yeah. My wife wants to be able to stream video. That's right. I'm yeah yeah I mean for streaming videos. You could also look at the fire tablets there the the Amazon fire tablets are H._d.. You're very expensive and find for streaming video but I think that that Alcatel would also be you know go to the T. mobile store say that can I can. I fire up net flicks. See what it looks like well. That's what I did. I went to the T. mobile store and they said the the tablet with the we have also a phone is Alcatel Three T. How big is the screen yeah? It has three four four G. and Lt and the other the other thing even though it has a U._S._B.. Port it also has a Bluetooth four point two now. My wife wants to do an external keyboard so she better off with a Bluetooth or or to Buddhism easier so yeah you can just because you probably also have these. These keyboards are everywhere U._S._p.'s a little more tricky and not necessarily GonNa work because you have to have a driver for it. <hes> the only thing to remember is if you go to the T. mobile store that price may mean you have have to buy t mobile service so you WanNa make sure that that does Oh. That's not with contract well. It's with contract that means you're on T.. Mobile Mint is reselling T. mobile but they're not T.. Mobile their their customer tumor. T mobile has their own Metro P._C._S.. Is The T. Mobile. I believe that's the name of it. I can't remember but it's T.. Mobile's own low cost carrier version metro by mobile yeah okay but once I buy the the device I own the device and since it's T. mobile compatible I can go to Mitt and say you know as long as t mobile doesn't charge you for early expiration of your contract. I'M NOT GONNA make a contract. I'M GONNA get it if you can get it at the door that price no contract. It will absolutely work with meant okay cool yeah. You should look though at you know boy I I. I'M GONNA have to check on that. Why we should mention minutes the sponsor of our some of our podcast <hes> I I have to check on that? I don't see any reason why they would treat that differently than a phone but I would call and ask just to make sure okay. They don't know what I mean. They don't think they know it's not a phone yeah well. The girl was a little bit confused confused. Whether it was a phone or not shouldn't even know if it had a speaker and I can tell her by going on well. You have to plug in headphones if it doesn't have a speaker exactly exactly yeah anyway. My one other question is when I get the Bluetooth <hes> keep external keyboard. They have some the roll up. You know yeah are those. Are those any good if you don't mind typing on rubber where it's better than typing with your son. Some people don't like it. I don't mind it but they also have fold folded ones that are not quite so rubber. They have little pocket fold up ones. I would take a look at those. Oh okay. This is a very populous category. These and they're not expensive so if you hate it you know it's it's not the end of the world differently yeah all right joining been very helpful. Thank you pleasure always a pleasure. Thanks for calling take care eight. Ask Leo the phone number. If you want to call and Talk High Tech I am here. uh-huh Dixie Bartolo is here the former gives was I guess he's still are gives was the former mad magazine's maddest writer still grieving over the demise of mad magazine but Dick will have a Gizmo for us about half an hour stay. Correct Leo LaPorte the Tech Guy Eighty eight eighty eight ask Leo we're talking High Tech on a beautiful afternoon Tom and Riverside California. Hey Tom <music>. Hello Leo Welcome. Thanks for hanging on. I apologize for being on hold so long well. My problem is I just upgraded from Galaxy S. four to nine and when it was going through the setup at asked me to put in my g mail account and so on and so forth android phones typically you'll log in your google account because that's kind of where everything lives right well. The PROBLEM IS I. I didn't notice it but when I typed in my email I hit a wrong digit. Oh when it and went ahead and completed it and now it won't let me change it. Oh come on. They won't let you change it yeah. In fact I tried to go back before I hit the button and it wouldn't even let me go back to change that password but I couldn't change the email address so not stuck with an email at no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no so what you do you go into settings on your on your phone and you go into accounts. I think it's on my phone on my ass ten. It's accounts and backup. It might be changed but it will certainly be something that says accounts and then you look at your cats and you'll have all the accounts that you've connected to that phone one of which will be your your Google account so you see it right air remove account once you tap it. There's a button it says remove account. Oh okay now. That's going to delete the contacts the address book but you know what they weren't anything you want it because they were made up account exactly may I don't even <hes> it asks you for a password and it accepted it. Yes it was it was asking me to create. Oh you got to the create page yeah yeah so. This is actually an interesting question what would happen if you try to use an android phone without without a google account. I think it would say you. Can't you have to create an account so I didn't have an account interesting of it is there's there's advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantage obviously is Google gets everything everything you do everything in your address book everything in Your Calendar. The Google knows all the advantage of it is that you know you'd go to a new phone you log in your Google Account. There's your address book that remember remember the old days when you got a new phone had some out reenter we enter all your phone numbers into it. I how did we survive so this way. You don't have to do that anymore anyway. Okay Yeah you just go into accounts. Find that account remove it <hes>. It may say I I would do it except I'm afraid breath on my phone. I don't want to have to set it all up again. It may say okay but we're going to have to remove everything and start over but that's what you want right because there's nothing in there that you don't want okay yeah. There's just minor I mean some minor and major your differences between this phone on my old yeah but it's the more modern. It's you know it's going to have a more modern <hes> version of android which is good for you. It's more secure at but admittedly in you know a new user interface. This is just life yeah. This is just life anymore in the technology world. It's because it's it's run by a bunch of twenty five year olds so they have no history right. Everything's new to them so they don't think it's a big deal new so what everything's new now as we get a little bit older. We like things the way they were. We don't like things to change too bad because the world's run by twenty five year olds yeah well next week. I'll be seventy two so I said that category of the older you know so I'm sixty two and I've now decided that while I am old and and you to we are young old. We're not old old. We're young old okay. I just wanted to everybody hey it's great to talk to you have a great day Leila for the Young Old Teke Leo LaPorte detect guy the love and affection coming your wave the ticket show and big pay way our musical director Debbie in mission Viejo California. Hello Debbie Hi Leo Hey for taking my call. Thanks so much for calling sure <hes> I have a problem but probably around two years old and I got the big yellow exclamation point <hes> Chrome O._S.. Missing or damaged oh no yeah good news good news. It's easy to fix you know it's great news easy to fix well okay so I did the chromebook recovering utility <hes> which failed several times but I finally got his successful <hes> load onto my U._s._c. back then when I come but I get unexpected you wait a minute. That's you don't need to do that. Oh my goodness. There's something built into chromebooks called power-washing okay and even if you can't log in usually you can power-wash do you not you never get to a screen at any time you get suicide. You don't get to a sign in screen. Never Okay that did you did do what you had to do. Because if you get the sound and screen you can you can reinstall you can do a fresh installed. It's called a power wash of Chrome O._S.. Very simply very easily. You don't even have to be logged in however if you can't even get to the log in what who makes us this one <hes> ACIS okay. Sometimes there is a reset button on these things they haven't don hardware reset though in quite a while. I'm just checking to see if there's a hardware reset. You might have to make the the other thing is it may be something more serious that's wrong. It may actually have have died so the strange thing is my brother has one two and about a week later he got okay so common in combat. Here's what you WANNA do. I think this works on the a sous there are you're you're GonNa have you have forefingers. Yes okay. I just read that when when Mel Brooks did his hands in the cement at the at the grauman's Chinese theatre he got a prosthetic eleven finger just to to <unk> screw with people so just checking. I WanNa make sure you have all your so. You're going to press its its four four keys. The control key the ALT- key the shift key and the Arche when you see that yellow triangle just shut off your machine all the way up press and hold the on off until the whole thing dies. There's no lights nothing press the on Button Wall holding control all shift our unless it is possible this can happen a stray electrical signal or something got into the firmware the the software that's in the physical hardware of the machine and zapped it it should at that point put up a box that says you WanNa power-wash power-wash me and you say yes I do and that will erase the hard drive put a whole fresh the latest version of Chrome O._S. on it and it should be okay if that does not do it then what has happened. Apparently there's a physical physical hardware malfunction of some kind you know like any computer especially laptops because they get get beat up a little bit more than desktops something bad. Could I find another chromebook at this. Doesn't I love chromebooks. I am all lean on chromebooks. Did you find that suited to do everything you need to do for the last I don't do a lot on it just search you know so emails in search. I'll do my little speech for all the people listening. My little speech is in the old day. uh-huh people still are living in nine hundred ninety eight in the old days you would you want to buy a computer. You had to buy a computer with an operating system that could run programs you download from the Internet and you get an Zippy ziplock bag from the software astore whatever yet have thing and it was very you either windows or Mac O._S.. And it was very complicated and and people are still in that mindset. Some people need that if you're designing rocket ships to the mood may be in need that if you're you know doing accounting and bookkeeping maybe need that maybe maybe not but most of us what we do lives. Mostly on the Internet lives on the cloud. It's surfing the internet buying stuff checking our e mail. All that stuff is out. There's not here and why do you need this this operating system that you use design rocket ships to get your email you don't and the and the complexity of these operating systems Mac or P._C.. Is is such that you're you've got a lot of you have to be an expert. You have to know how to keep it secure after not keep it working and all that stuff so for most of the world <hes> either an IPAD or chromebook is everything you need. It's much much much more secure. You're it's rare that these problems happen but you know maybe something shook loose it can happen. I just thought it was strange that my brothers went out a week later the same way so maybe there's something in these ace oozes I mean they are out warranty so you know maybe there's something in them that the flash memory doesn't survive or something. I don't know okay well. I'll tell you what you said man all shift. I'm sorry control fault shift our that's think of it as repair yeah. I'm most chromebooks. That'll fix it yeah. I hope it fixes it for you. Because now the Nice thing is they're not expensive right right so if you need a new one but yeah I would stick with it as long as it did everything you wanted to do why we have to get out of his mindset because what's by the way Microsoft even realizes this Microsoft trust me in a few years. They'RE GONNA stop selling windows it isn't we don't need operating systems anymore. Some people do programmers may be although I know a lot of coders who use chromebooks <hes> rocket ship designers may be although why you couldn't do that in the cloud. I don't know I think you could most of most of the and even with Google now. They're doing a gaming solution that you can do on a chrome cast you can do on your phone because all of the computing is on is on Google side in the cloud. They you get a fancy game machine in the cloud. They maintain it. They run it. They patch they keep it secure. If the hard drive fails they put a new one in you don't do any of that. That's going to be a gaming service. Google's going to offer starting next year called Stadia. That's the future and you know when I say that there's lots of people said well in fact remember the beginning the show is talking about corby the guy who invented time shared computing and you're gonNA say well. We don't want to go back to that the old days of timeshare where I have a dumb terminal in the computers at some remove and I'm using somebody some distant computer well. You're not you know we did we we we. We got to a period of time where you had your own processor your memory your own computer but there's a lot of complexity and downside to that what if you could have all the power all the speed all the flexibility of a computer but you didn't have to have that device on your desk waiting to get hacked. Wouldn't that be better. It's it's where we're going. It's a future <hes> I think you will be very happy in most cases now. If you're a Gamer well either GONNA wait for stadia which will work rate on a chromebook by the way absolutely beautiful you'll be able to play top-flight AAA Games on a chromebook <hes> or you going to get a windows machine but good luck. He windows is designed. Honestly is designed for a business. That has an I._T.. I._T.. Department it is not designed for a home user. It's just not safe for a home user. It's too powerful is too complex you want. That's something simpler now. The recovery tool that she made is available from the chrome store. You can make a U._S.. Big You don't need to do that though the command all. I'm sorry control fault shift our that's built in that will do it automatically. It's effectively the same the the reason that it's better is because if you're going to do the chromebook recovery till you have to know the exact. Make him all of your chromebook so you get the right firmware and that's a little more complicated the whole I._D.. Google's whole idea and I commend them for the is to make this human scale easy to do you don't have to think about it and I think they've done a very nice jump across eight. Ask Leo Guess WHO's coming up. Dick debartolo mad magazines. I don't WanNa say formerly mad magazine's maddest writer <music> but he's still our gizmo wizard right after this Leo LaPorte who they tech. I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonNa take it anymore and Dick Debartolo is here mad magazine's maddest streiter. We call him our GIZMO wizard. The gives wizard is was DOT Biz. Hello Dicky di Leo how're you doing as the handkerchief dried out from all the tears shed yeah well. You know I have a new gadget agit that helps below the tiers from on we're talking about the demise of the greatest magazine humankind teenage boys have ever created mad magazine A._T.. And T. The death star well known known for their loathing of anything good kind generous and sweet have destroyed the greatest magazine ever known. It's over fermented. They're on their way destroying well. They're going to do best pitchman yeah. That's we have two more full issues and then but you already did it right it's done. I've written them then out yet right well. That's a relief that's yeah but that's just a lingering death instead of a quick guillotine to the neck. I feel like we should figure out a way to save Jeff pays us. I know he's a regular listener. This show Bill Gates. I know he and and more buffer playing bridge right now listening to the tech. How much would it cost? What do you think the operating budget of mad magazine was for crying out? You know I have no idea nothing to these guys. What's the point of being a couple of hundred million here? They're just for fun. I bet you didn't yeah okay. There's somebody out. There is going to save mad magazine. I know I know that DC owned by A._T._T.. Comics Somebody N._T._T.. Has the rights to all the intellectual property property but you yes everything that's been printed day on. You could call it something else. Call angry angry. I'm damn man. I'm Dan mad seems like there's some anyway all right. What's your gadget? Oh okay so we since we're in the heat of the summer I have something the wearable sports fans four K.. You want fans fans fans to follow you everywhere s so these are too many many fans you wearing. Is that what you're wearing fan. I'm not blow it up and that's low and medium medium and get ready for oh my goodness do you does your head snap backward when you turn it on high not quite not so don't put out a ton of air these ONS but they're around your neck. Yeah that's exactly right and actually you have to put them. You have to slide him down to your neck and then put them on because the the next thing doesn't open wide enough to put them over your head but once they're on your neck the fans themselves are or on like two three inch wires so that you can bend the fans to recent but here's the problem Dick. It's not blowing you as blowing over your shoulder now now. I'm facing it up toward MO- because they're they pig this. Oh now it's going again. The best shine cooling any man's ever had dentist. He put them one on each side on the subway to people would lean in heads right up against us. How you mega friends about you aren't making friends on the New York City subway and they'll run five to ten hours? Actually it has an eighteen hundred million rechargeable battery a want these you don't want them to do. Oh okay well I I I bought them for seventeen dollars and then the next day you know when you buy something they said. Since you bought this you might be interested in this for eleven dollars and I said wait a minute. I think that the same things I just bought for seventeen so I bought them just to make sure you're and they are identical now if you want to offer them I believe they are down to seven dollars. This is Amazon's weird computerized pricing model yes now the thing that has changed is is the ten ninety nine when I got the next day this has free shipping and when I clicked on through I believe they were GonNa be here by August twenty just in time for winter winter so you can put a little heat is put candles behind him so they blow heat <hes> but <hes> for thirteen dollars on Amazon you can still get them for prime and they're actually work. I mean do they. Actually you know it's not a ton of air but I was talking to my spouse standards. He said you know if you were in a hot subway and the air conditioning was out you would pay a hundred dollars pay anything yeah well. He said on a hot beach wjr these would be super. Do you remember how you must be over. Remember where the movie theaters would have like icicles on the signs and come inside. It's cold inside that kind of thing before cool air air before people had A._C.. In the home home you'd go to the movies just to stay cool. Well didn't they dump ice into trays. Fans wasn't airconditioning. Wow that's what I read that. Keep cool how they're making money 'cause I just bought two of so that make the same seventeen dollars yeah what college they come in many. I got him an ice blue because it looks cool. Oh okay that's cool. That's very good. I'm wearing the fair her. I'm wearing it to the disco. Is there a discount left somewhere well. Oh yeah you know. The monster does disco every Tuesday and every Sunday. I'm going to be a big hit with them knee. It's great earphone. I've really they look like earphones but they're blowing air instead. Yes exactly I love it. Well Dickie Dee. You'll find Dick is still in business. Don't think geeze WIZ DOT businesses website. G._I.'S E W I Z dot B. I. Z.. If you want to see more about these fans he's got links there. <hes> in fact that's the way to buy it as I did go to gives wisdom Biz Click the Leo to Era Dick. You're called Dick. I'm coldly Dick visits the tech guy and then click through on his link to Amazon because I I would bet you'd make a little money when you when they sell these yeah I get a credit sense but hey it all adds up. I know I spent a ton of money on Amazon Pillow Amazon credit you also click the what the heck is a game dick is still giving away copies of mad magazine Whoa this is. This is the new one as of July I I haven't seen this one yet. It looks like <hes> an exocet missile so launcher. I don't know what that's a good guess yeah. It looks like a shoulder mounted. I don't know did you know what the other one was. It's a shoulder mounted lawn dart. What Oh okay? What was the other one? Oh is it tomato or grapes slicer. Yeah what the what you people got it yeah. No how often you need is slice grapes dude. You need a dedicated grape slicer device. I think he called grape. Tomatoes did tiny tiny tomatoes that you slice up a dozen putting salads yeah yeah they're full of flavor but you know you do need this because when you try to slice them with a knife half the time they pop out from under your a knife and you go there you go and you thought it was silly. This is good. If you do a lot of slicing of a cherry tomatoes grape tomatoes you need the tomato grape slicer perfect okay so two people got the mad magazine for the right answer but one of the United States. I just gave sixteen very he gives autographed copies of mad magazine in the wrong answers to all the rules are on the psych is wiz DOT Biz. Don't forget Dick's podcast. It's a great when his wisdom DOT TV. Thank you saw your agendas person. Somebody has a as as a great idea for this. It looks like a lawn spike or something like that. He said this is what the guy who decided to cancel mad had magazine. I'd be using as a chair and I agree very good agree. We're out of time. How time doth fly I thank you so much for being here? Thanks to big peewee our musical director to Kim Him Shafir the phone angel. Thanks to you for joining me. I'm Leo LaPorte the Tech I have a great gateway well. That's it for the Tech Guy Show for today. Thank you so much for being here and don't forget twit T._W._I._T.. It stands for this week in Tech and you find it twit dot TV including the podcast for the show. We talk about windows windows. Weekly Macintosh AMAC break weekly ipads iphones Apple Watches on I._O._S.. Today security secure now I mean I can go on and on and on and of course the big show every.
Nigeria Records 79 New COVID-19 Cases
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Corby Kummer: Meat Industry Misconduct Amid COVID-19
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And time to send the meat packing industry packing for exploiting workers, raising prices, and fudge. This is unbelie fudging supply and demand problem and other headlines just move on his footing culture? Guy. Corby. Kummer, he's the executive director, the food, and since the Policy Program with the Aspen Institute, it's a senior. He's a senior editor at the Atlantic and senior lecturer at the Friedman School of nutrition. Science and policy I got about every fourth word right there. Let me see if I can do this Hello Corby Kummer. I. Got that. Right? Then those fourth words, Oh, my God that was pathetic Nice Talk to you Kirby head you. I don't know why, but I am obsessed with this. Story about the these packets arriving in people's homes in the mail boxes coming from China and We don't know what it's about. We don't know who's doing it, but you can probably shed maybe a little light on what's happening I don't know why this is fascinating, but you know it's the most interesting story of the week and I'm so glad we found this the talk about their seats coming to Louisiana to Utah from China from Ouzbekistan completely unbidden nobody ordered these seeds. They're just getting them in the mail and the State Agriculture authorities and the US Department of Agriculture are wondering are they invasive species? I wonder if there another form of planetary life that. Reconstitute itself. It's really the the magic beanstalk or it's the new invasive, not way that's going to destroy property values because it completely rex your property, you know that the Japanese knotweed has caused property owners to commit suicide because their properties completely lost value and they can't ensure it. So this might be the newest and most interesting threat. Maybe they have covert in them. I mean who knows it's just science fiction and nobody's planting them so far Utah says, it doesn't seem to have pets are invasive species completely unknown, but fascinating, what do you mean? No one's planning. Drank bleach after trump did his press thing at the end of April. The Wall Street Journal. Which reported this hasn't reported people planning them. Would you play at them? No. Of course, you tell somebody if you plan to them now you're GonNa go out tonight and the cover of darkness and whoops get. Dirt in your backyard, why would I hate like five of them last night and they were actually. They were fairly the. They tasted like live. Don't don't understand why I don't understand anything about this actually. But one thing in particular I don't understand how is it possible that the postal service doesn't know where they came from the hat to have received them from some entity. Did they not? You know we're looking at the picture that has a little plastic bag pumpkin seeds, and it's got a barcode on it presumably that Barcode and the words, China Post in English. So presumably, they can trace it back. But the story says that they don't know where it's coming from just that. It could be a Chinese company sending things to people who haven't asked for them and then posting phony. Positive reviews, but my question is if why bother to send it, just post the phony review. Now I know why Zuma been going down on. The entire time you're radioactive from the five. That's it. So by the way, if anybody thinks that people are not planning this, they don't know the American people. Let me just tell you that much, and by the way all the people planning them or not wearing masks, trust me. There's a direct correlation. Trust you. So I've I've been outrageous whole show about. Everything. And while I read the story in anticipation, you coming that the Senate United States Senate, a particularly, the Republican majority will not extend. Food stamps snap nor will extend this pandemic PT Program, which is that debit card program for households with kids who have temporarily lost access to. Reduce. Cost. Their. Free meals. At School. For two reasons, one because they needed for nutrition to to keep them away from having to go out and you encounter people who are positive and at the same time as the Washington Post wonderfully reports, they are doubling the business deduction. For lunch meals and as they call it, the three Martini lunch, it's this quote. The Guy at the McCarthy hearing? This is action on a direct quote. Have they? No shame. I mean the answer is they don't. So, there's a couple of things I. I got to hear a wonderful food policy discussion a webinar yesterday with our friend. Jose. Andreessen American. Jim McGovern who is a true? American, Hero. Let me know. Better, on food insecurity issues than, Congressman. McGovern long long long before it was in vogue. He is unbelievable nobody and he's one of my big personal heroes who so they were saying that snap is the most important tool and that pandemic snap or pandemic e-bt has been the most important way of getting families with children who are hungry food because it isn't just a way of lolling around in your underwear and using your debit card to order food online, you can order food online with it. If you can't get to the school pickup site and school is remote or you and your family will be endangered by going to the pickup site, this will come to you. It's crucial for families. Families who are food insecure and a story that we aren't talking about today, but Massachusetts has a record number of families that are food insecure they. They aren't sure if they're going to have enough food in the next few weeks. So this is a crucial program to continue. The trump administration is being very consistent. It fears that Bhai continuing exceptions during the pandemic, it will make it permanent and that they were there forever going to allow, it's the nose of the camel under the tent, they'll never get rid of them. Of course, snap is the way of getting people who are unemployed back on their feet. They're not hungry, they can work when they work, they go off snap. It's one of the most effective programs, the money to buy the food goes back into the local community. It's completely consistent with trump because what it's doing is protecting the corporate restaurant owners who were part of an old white guy. Unfortunately because there, there are a lot of them are good chefs and owners, but they were all old white guys who were invited to the White House to talk about the restaurant industry, and I'm sure what they said was to help restaurants get on their feet, make a hundred percent of business entertainment, deductible. Not Fifty percent. So that's the origin of the rule. It's all business protectionism. Corby. What's the picture that you're getting from people like Jose Andreas in the food banks as we get further and further into this pandemic about food insecurity in in this country and families will that it's only rising with unemployment with insecure Im- employment. But most of all, it's access for families whose children were lions. And sometimes, school breakfast for for their meals during the week, and you know during the summer, we've talked about summer feeding programs which were great. But as more and more schools understand that whatever the trump administration says is dangerous to reopen. Community spread is too high. It's inadvisable that means that. All over the municipality, whatever is not a reopening are at risk of being hungry, and that's why pandemic he has got to continue but Senate. Republican senators saying, no, I. Want to be fair though. To Mitch McConnell here he has said that while he has no interest in extending. The snap money or the pandemic t he is willing to send mystery seeds to each of those families and let them grow their own you know. What's freedom freedom bug says exactly. We're talking to Corby Kummer. So Corey, the great jocks that position with the cruelty the Republican side of the Senate is this great N. P. I. Love this story, this NPR story, love, and solidarity amid coronavirus mutual aid groups, reese resurge in your city. This is when your government doesn't take care of you which obviously our federal government, Shirley? Not particularly those in need your fellow humans come to the rescue for those of a certain age start with what our mutual aid groups mutual aid societies, and what's the function they're fulfilling in the age of grown avars well. Well mutual aid societies are historically groups that are not getting assistance from the government. They're not getting assistance from what we think of public assistance organizations. So they help each other, they will take each other, they will go and get people who are shut in. They'll bring them meals, they will help post unemployment or get news of employment opportunities to people. It's volunteers helping each other I mean, a lot of church groups do this but it was mutual aid societies that were started by generally labor groups. People were in the same profession or people who are in the same neighborhoods. And this spreads I mean. This is I, think this is why it's such a heartfelt story because people here of it. It continues and it's basically passing it forward, right? Well, it's not just here of its benefit from it they. used. To use the language, Boston. Strong. I. Noticed because this is an article about bed. Strong. So Bedford stuyvesant. Traditionally, very porn under served a New York City neighborhood. Has Bed stuy strong. So you do have to have online access, that's one barrier, but if you can. Sign on, you can become a volunteer. Absolutely. No qualifications. You just say I'll pick up groceries or somebody who can't get them. I'll deliver them to the door if they don't have a way of buying groceries and essential supplies and. You can donate online. In fact, I I've been doing a lot of donating online lately to places. I would never have heard of so that you're buying the community groceries and essential supplies that this volunteer organization delivers to each other, and we've talked about great gleaning effort in and around Boston area and I'm sure that they're going to be these societies around Boston. In fact, I, know of one and it's Pagu. Our favorite central square restaurant. They have started a neighborhood. Grocery Association. Did did. Donate to them recently, and while we're talking WanNa, find their information good little restaurant in central square as you say. Normally active. Really good to hear while you guys were talking I figured out why the seeds story is so compelling. Seen it before it's little shop of horrors. That's what we're. Going to be a bunch of little audrey two's running around the country absolutely people. So. Can we are onto the next know? The Jim. Loves US ONE, Love The story about recipes, naming dishes, and how dishes are being renamed for Seo or search engine optimization take us through this people taking cultural dishes that are known by one name, but but giving them reappropriated giving different names. So that there are a little bit more palatable to a more mainstream audiences at the deal. Well, the problem is this has been. been going on forever. It's stealing a dish in this case. I. What what I'm surprised about is that white lady bloggers like Allison Roman will say, try my flaky bread and the flaky bread and you know you might really like to slice some scallions into it while you're frying up this bread that's layered with oil and will puff up magically and they will be so good with scallions. So Jim, what am I talking about Peraza? While I'm talking about scaling pancake or. In, Indian. Cultures. I'm stunned that people today would not put the real names of this dish I was. That's what was most surprising to me. So it's this kind of appropriation. You know when it was, you know if it was the nineteen twenties or thirties and you were trying to make spaghetti and meatballs or something. Acceptable, you would not use the Italian name, which then became very fashionable, but the idea now that you're saying flaky bread. Bon, apetit was doing this kind of culture appropriations really shocking today. So this is a movement to restore the original cultures or bid them BAP. It's the most wonderful. Thank you. Thank you I'm. Here, but you know so many places call it just Korean rice bowl whereas there's a whole restaurant chain called bbn bap. This not an offense I. Don't mean the story is not an offensive pathetic story about America in twenty, twenty, I mean it's so fits the homogenization crap. You know it. Really. and. It's almost like an American I. Kind of story that I'm stunned that it's happening now because the upscale websites that this writer Tina, who was my student is low. No, really in girl, and she's now writing National League is a great story. Cultural Stories I I'm I'm championing that. But the idea that these upscale websites would feel the need to obscure the cultures original name for something. Instead of you know proudly saying look at this cultural discovery and they say that it's because they put per off in, it's not going to get search engine optimization, Seo? They won't get the clicks. They need the name of the game at all websites is Seo. It's Patina Makalintal also, she worked at Toscanini as. Young. Woman Wow. That's pretty great. Well, she's a really nice job on a really nice story. We're talking to Corby Kummer, our food guy, and we are learning more and more of we have I, know that I've talked with you about the several times about the the meat industry and how they've behaved and what they've done over this pandemic We might remember that earlier on the pandemic, we thought that there was a shortage suddenly supermarkets and were emptied of their meets. But what are we learning now about how contrived that whole story was? Everything about the food industry right now just says bad guy. They are the evil actors. They won't release the number of people in their slaughterhouses who are infected or are dying. They convinced president trump to make them make meet workers, essential workers, which protects them from lawsuits and compliance with regulations. Osha has been completely asleep at the wheel, doing nothing to sue the slaughterhouses Eric Schlosser, wrote about it in the Atlantic in April But all because he, of course, from fast food nation knows just what goes on in slaughterhouses, but it's going on nothing is stopping. So there are these constant infections, constant deaths. The companies are able to hide. Jane, Mayer in the New Yorker wrote a fascinating, incredibly upsetting story about a pork slaughterhouse in. In in Maryland whose absentee owners are complete trump supporters and friends and doing everything, they can to make their workers lives miserable. Deny them any benefits? Just it's leading human lives count much less than meet and what you're referring to as far as their outright lies is the full page ads that Tyson took out saying, America's entering a food supply crisis. You will not be able to get your meat at the supermarket shelves will be empty if you don't make these essential workers and let us keep abusing them and meanwhile they had record exports to China same month. But. By the way refresh, my recollection wasn't one of the reasons why trump ended up declaring meat-processing places essential was because there was an alleged meet shortage and as a result, the meet the workers in these plans had to go back in, and as you say, the infection and death rate was astronomical. So it was totally premised on a falsehood complete lies. There was no shortage that was coming if there are problems and there are it's been exposed by the food industry having one set of supply chain for the. The restaurants and institutions that closed in the pandemic and another for supermarkets and not being able to divert, for example, lots of rotting produce from one to the other. Those are big structural problems, but no meat was not a problem. This was just a way of continuing their evil practices. One less thing by the way since you mentioned Jane matter who we love here. We had this woman Daffodil, Alton, on the show a couple of days ago. She did this great piece for frontline. Think it's called Cova. Toll or something very close to that. But it goes into a people are picking vegetables for this country, the processing plants, the meat processing plants, and she does wonderful investigative work which. Demonstrates the same atrocity that. You're describing there. Is Only GonNa get worse. Meanwhile, let me say what the Central Square. Organizations. It is called project? Restore. Dot Us. So project restore all one word dot us like united or US and it gives money to local food vendors and restaurants you donate and they spend the money for what a homebound people and essential workers who don't have time to market need and so young children the elderly immuno-compromised the undocumented they can remain safely at home and your money helps by and deliver them food you before you go speaking of restaurants I, don't know if you have an update for us but I I've gone out of my way. To. Do as much pick up at restaurants as possible knowledge because I want to sport the restaurants that I love. But because as you have instructed US corby were screwing the restaurants, we're using delivery services. Take an astronomical percentage and every time I go to one of my favorite restaurants to get pick up I look around and see how many bags there are. How many people are picking up. You know, worried. Oh, my God. And it is so depressing how hard these men and women are working to survive? Are they surviving or how are things in? You know almost August of twenty twenty and all that. Question because some restaurants who started take out just after a couple of weeks said, this is more trouble than it's no. I'm completely not making money. So there've been lots of statistics about restaurants, just stopping it. Others are able to keep a skeleton crew alive and they are finding more ways to maximize whatever profits they can and I think that the smart money because, I, I have a this afternoon. I'll have my restaurant working group at my ass tune food program about the new safety guidelines around servers. More and more restaurants are going to have to find workable takeout options because no matter what they go back to, they have to face the prospect of intermittent shutdowns in which people won't be able to come in. They're going to have to go back to delivery. They can't completely shut it out as a possibility, but it's very rough to find ways of how many people can I hire back and be able to support because the revenue is just ten to fifteen to twenty, five percent with they were making before. Let me just over for the fourth time. If they're restaurants you love and patronize in normal times, love and patronize them in these abnormal time. Certainly, the maximum tip. Absolutely, I'm so. You're one hundred percent, right corby. It's great to talk to you thanks and you. Corby, cover joins US every week. He's executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute a senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at the Tufts Friedman School of Nutrition Science and policy coming up, we've been talking to Corby Kummer about all the ways. Corona viruses affected the food industry. So now we're opening up lines and asking how's it affecting your experiences with food? This is eighty nine, seven, W. G. B., H. 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I can't wait till next year is already. Corby. I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but a hotdog. Eating contest is always a good topic of conversation. So Corby. After the segment you you WANNA go out and grab a bite. Would like nothing better Mike. Goodness, you're tempting me. We have so much to look forward to one day. Yeah I think everybody's ready to get back to the to their restaurant game. And I have to say you know as much as I really don't. I want restaurants to thrive in to succeed and not have to shutdown. That's pretty much where I'm at as well I'm not ready to to eat at restaurants. What do you think? Well in my Aspen Food and society program. I Have A. WE released great guidelines for keeping back of House. Workers safe in in connection with off their plate, a wonderful Cambridge in Boston based group that went national and James. Beard Foundation and world. Central, Kitchen Andrey group that was for feeding the front lines, terrific worker, safety guidelines, but every week, a terrific group of restaurant owners including Garrett Harker of Boston and engineers and HVAC specialists are meeting to figure out. How do we keep servers safe and the problem is always going to be. How do we get diners to wear masks and behave? That's the real problem for restaurants. That's why they're opening and reclosing and so many restaurants have said to the city's. Don't tell us we can reopen if you're then going to tell us to close again. Because of an outbreak, because that will be the economic ruin of us if we spend all the money to reopen, and we see that happening right now in Miami and so. New York Boston Philadelphia. even Los. Angeles the cities, it said we're about to allow indoor restaurants. is seating, and then they said Nope, not so fast. We're not gonNA do it yet. That much better for restaurant owners the long-term. We'll. Do you have a sense of? We're. Talking about this right before the show about how much information continues to come out, I mean just yesterday we saw that major news about how far the droplets travel and that pretty. Horrible video that show the show how far the droplet spread how long they hang in the especially when they're inside, so what our restaurants operating with right now if they're trying to keep up every day, just like the rest of us are. They are incredibly confused, so that's why we've got so many architects including a whole group of Harvard graduates School of design. People called the mass group. They've they're releasing their own engineering for restaurant designs, but everybody's looking at the ventilation news and thinking. How do I solve this? What do I? Do with my landlord. WHO's not? GonNa. Let me break through walls. How do I convince the city authorities to let me keep all the windows and doors open because it's fresh air, constant re-circulation of fresh air, getting it into the restaurant that counts the most and whenever. Whenever I'm thinking about this and believe me. We're thinking about it all the time on this food and society theakston Institut Working Committee I think about offices and what they're gonNA, do so it's constant distancing from people and fresh air, coming in ventilation, distance, certain offices and Harvard with single occupancy dorm rooms, and all the local colleges they can think of ways around this, but four restaurants to make it economically viable to have enough customers inside that they can feel safe and they've got their ventilation working. That's a big challenge and nobody knows the answers yet. Well, in addition to the the operational and logistical challenges of carrying on Your Business, given what's necessary to keep just your staff safe? The real wild card for so many places, many of which have found out about it. Unfortunately. Found out how big a problem may have, unfortunately when when they get a customer like this is the reaction, the politic, the political political nature of mass, wearing how it has been made a political. Thing in this country you get customers who are berating staff who are coughing on staff who are coughing on customers, because you know, despite sign age despite everyone else in the place wearing a mask. They absolutely refuse to do it and I think that's one of the that may be the greatest challenge that restaurants are facing is a customer base that does not want to abide by the rules, so you're not even convening my committee Andrea. On the central problem, how do you get diners to behave? And so when I think we were all reading a piece about applebee's, and it's essentially. What a sanitation signaling so they're hiring employees who just go around with a plastic tub of cleaning products, and they're constantly disinfecting We have a hotel chain chief operations officer, one of the biggest international hotel operators on our working committee and they are going. They're pulling hundred navy. They always use to try to hide their sanitation workers cleaners in the hotel so that the guests never knew about them now. They just want the guests to know about them. But all of that is so much important than if somebody inconsiderately coughs on you, that's what counts not constantly sanitizing the menu. Menu your own hand sanitizer. When you're sitting down at a table when you're anywhere is what really counts so that you don't touch your eyes, nose and mouth if you happen to have had some of these droplets fall on your hand, but the risk of getting from an elevator button from a table all the things we worry about it, still theoretically a real possibility. There aren't studies proving it. The studies are all about airborne transmission from people, so my suggestion is that if applebee's was hiring somebody extra just to go around with a bucket of Sanitizer, they should hire somebody like. Chain operations officer who very nicely stands at the door of the restaurant and says I think you might have forgotten your mask. Can we give you one because it's required in the restaurant when you're not at the table? So if they have the equivalent of a bouncer enforcing this that's what would be a much better investment of money, and of course, independent restaurants can't afford that extra person. They can't afford this enforcement, but we're working on a diner code of conduct on how to enforce it. Because indeed, that's the central problem. Come to this is I feel like reading this story. About Tyson you just realize the documentary that's going to be in the making. Maybe maybe our colleagues over at frontline or are on this one I'm. This is just better be unbelievable. What Tyson Foods has done here in trying to I'll let you talk about what they have and what they've done and how? They're treating employees now that they've had major breakouts at their facilities. That most people are aware that among the very highest risk jobs in the entire country is a are slaughterhouses and meat processing. Because you're in air, that doesn't circulate much. It's very cold, which is good for preserving the droplets and it and there's very little Larry Circulation. You have to stand right next to the other person on the line, because these animals are going past you tear arable rapid pace that the trump administration has constantly been trying to make faster to increase productivity for plants and incredibly increase the risk of. Of terrible injury to the workers, so you're already in working in awful muscles, straining injury, promoting conditions in a slaughterhouse, which Sinclair wrote about one hundred years ago changed tonight. Eat and have only gotten worse with mechanization of solder houses, and you know the chilling down of them. The horrible working conditions, so the slaughterhouses had charring practices like denying workers, hot water and enough time to take breaks to use the bathroom, so they were using diapers. It is sickening these conditions. They were not allowing hot water and soap they just. Just didn't bother to replenish them. They deny it when the public spokesman comes out and says Oh. No, no, we have lots of sanitizer. We have lots of breaks, but the workers say tell a different story and Tyson lied about Waterloo Iowa plan where there were more than thousand cases, in just a couple of weeks and a lot of death and You might remember that the trump administration called meat processing workers essential workers so that the companies could weasel out of worker safety practices because they were essential. Essential workers which they're not. Why because Tyson? gives a ton of money to Republicans. They took out a full page ad in the New York Times. Saying America is going to go hungry if we can't up process the food at the same speed, we're doing now. Your shelves are going to be empty. Your children over going hungry. Of course there was no no danger of the kind of all and at the end of the month in which they places full page ad, Tyson exported record amounts of meat to China. So they're they are. raising panic about a US food, shortage and cleaning up on pork exports to China. It's completely immoral so now there are a bunch of class action lawsuits against Tyson but whether they get far at all enter. You probably have a better sense of whether. These worker lawsuits are going to get anywhere this wrongful death, too, because a lot of people have died because of the Tyson lies and incredibly dangerous procedures well, what are the people who started covering this back when it was? Happening in time in April was Rachel Maddow was covering it on her show, and she was struck by the fact that. They're in this relatively small county Black Hawk County. The there was this explosion of covid cases, and they were all directly traceable to Tyson plant. And of course, Tyson, was doing its usual denial, and there was insisting as you pointed out that you know everything was fine, and there was plenty of soap and water, and there was sanitizing, and there were none of those things. They also had given. They had forbidden employees to talk about the fact that either they had tested positive. Their relatives tested positive I. Mean this is a place where if you live anywhere near this within within I? Don't even know how many miles of this place this is where you work. This is the work is. It's at the Tyson plant. And so it was basically almost a a community company spread yeah in. With within the confines of a single company. And they gave people a pittance right five hundred dollars bonus for showing up to work every five hundred dollars extra so that you all mind dying exactly and people were sick, clearly symptomatic. And they would just ignore the fact that people were symptomatic working on the line. Shoulder to shoulder with people who presumably you know, we're not already infected. I think the wrongful death Cases have a real chance here because there is you know it's, it's clear company at. At best it's neglect. at worst it's something far more intentional and I. think that there's a really good chance that these some of these cases will survive I know the trump administration is trying to. You know let companies use the Defense Protection Act. As a defense to liability, I'm not sure that's how far that's going to get them in this case, and in fact you know it's almost like a like a trump promise which we all know how much that's worth. to protect these companies so I think ultimately they'll be on their own and I'm hopeful that the work the wrongful death lawsuits are able to proceed because this is. The they literally contributed to the pandemic in every state where there's been sort of a meat, packing plant or a poultry plant. They've literally either caused or significantly contributed to the pandemic by their own inaction to Kota how to spike entirely attributable to a Tyson plant an injury. Did you see that there's a provision to? Though that the there's kind of a loophole that if they can prove? Prove Tyson that they provided for personal protective equipment, and for social distancing they might not be held liable for the wrongful death suit. So of course there are so many layers to this and I doubt that they'll be able to prove it I I guarantee you that there are people who were videotaping those conditions inside the Tyson plant surreptitiously and that that will be part of this. Will become public. That's exactly why said the outset I I see a document riveting documentary. Here because you know that video has got to exist. So one piece of good news. Let me just put this. In last night. The House passed a an extension of the USDA farm bill that prevented the trump administration from exempting plants from the slowdown of the production lines, so there's worker safety built in to what the house adjust. voted last night whether it goes through the Senate is another story, but that was moved to protect workers. And hopefully, even if it doesn't make it through the Senate, it can make it through the Senate in January. which we'll be, we'll. We'll be much later than we'd like it. Stopped visit man. I've got to I've got to hang onto something. Corby I just have to. I can't eat at restaurants. So I have to hang onto something. That's positive courage that. You know one of my heroes and a recent hero is Andre the chef. that founded world central kitchen. He's Nobel Peace Prize nominee who just has done I think the most remarkable work in the face of natural disasters and this pandemic. His is too simple. Yeah, he is goal is to feed people he he is doing for them what he does best in establish the world's central kitchen. He established it from nothing he went from. From literally making meals himself and handing them out after Hurricane Maria down in Puerto Rico making sandwiches. Just making sure people had something to eat, and he's now built this nonprofit called central kitchen, but apparently there are a couple of detractors here and I'm not at all sure. That I I I'm a little suspect of their motives. What do you think? I think that whenever you have a very high profile called the same different. Call the hero. Somebody's going to try to knock you down. In this case, it was in the Bronx and in underserved communities in New York that were saying. When World Central Kitchen was doing Hurricane Maria Relief and showing up the trump government, because world central kitchen was many many times more efficient and helpful and made money go much farther than the trump administration did they were the heroes of the Puerto Rican relief effort, but I think they fad some ice workers. They fed some immigration officials, and because of this original sin This group is the North Bronx collective was saying that the world center kitchen inevitably became instruments of capital domination where even caring becomes a profitable business. There's a knock. Knock on all food banks and feeding programs, which is that once they can feed at the public trough, and it's worth pointing out that world senator kitchen got a lot of FEMA money to fund its efforts. They become addicted to it and they never there just in business to keep themselves in business and they they become self perpetuating, and they don't really want to solve the problem I just don't go along with this because I think that all of these groups want to see the problem solved. Want to find what policies are going to. Give them less work so that they can be more efficient where they do. Work and relieve their own fundraising efforts so I I'm just not concerned about this and I think that Jose Andreessen World Senator Kitchen do great work, and they go to lots of places I also think that when you're ambitious and you are like a fireman who goes toward the fire which Jose does. He goes wherever there's an earthquake where there's a hurricane where there's a disaster you're going to. There's going to be collateral damage of one kind or another, but there's very little, and their central mission is humanitarian, and they do fantastic work. It's escalated to not just perhaps feeding some of these agents, but they had homeland security investigations agents who were distribute who stepped forward to help distribute the food so regardless of what one might think of the agency. At least you had people in the moment who wanted to partner in that moment with world central kitchen to make sure that people were getting food at a time when you point out that our government. Government was not stepping up to the task of course when they were immigration protests about ice, and the horrible cruel separation of families, and there were sick outs last year of immigrant workers. I was Andrey closed his restaurants and set them up just to feed workers who were taking the day off and and and sick so that he would not have to pay for meals when they were taking pay forfeit. It was just it's just disheartening to me to see the the North Bronx collective and There was a second group called La, Mirada. That that they really just. Seemed to want, it's almost. I don't want him, pugh. Bad motives to anybody, but this sort of Perfect, being the enemy of the good, so not being able to recognize that. Jared's point within an agency, you can have good people who really want to do something to contribute in really want to do something to help, but you'd be willing to sacrifice that in order to maintain a level of unrealistic purity, ideological or operational. In this case, you know that sort of based on your definition of what a good nonprofit will be I. Think is unfortunate and I think you know these are these are two programs that. Could work so well. With world central kitchen and did work well with world central kitchen. Who've now broken from them for this and I think they're gonNA come to regret that Oh. Sure I think that's perfectly said and I also try to look at things through a lens which my. Public Health Hero spouse always emphasize, which is, it is so much in the trump administration's interest to divide everyone, and so the idea that these groups that believe in the same ideals that believe in social justice in food justice would be pointing fingers at each other. The enemy is the trump administration. The enemy is the inhumanity of policies that are set that are waging war on poor people that are allowing Cova to make sure that twice as many African Americans die and and Hispanics as any other group. This is what we always have to keep our eye on and just try to work together where we can. Become who wanted to end on a nice note so? There is a here, so we've all seen that just dreadful video of farms where so much food is going to waste or the milk that's being poured down drains but there is an effort underway that that that turns us around, and it's rooted in a lot of great heritage. I know right. It's so good. Tell us about gleaning. Isn't it a wonderful story? So gleaning is the historic. In fact, biblical, the story of Ruth is about leaning, but it's been a preserved right throughout history through most governments of the poor or really anyone, but especially the poor to go into farm, fields and harvest, what the paid pickers or now the automated harvesters miss and so and then just to take it home and use it as they want. Now there's a whole army of people who were volunteering to go into fields and deliver food to relief organizations to food banks that can. Beautifully Ripe Raspberries that now because of the pandemic, the farm owners can't even find workers to harvest and so entire field are going unharvested. Those jared you're referring to those. Stories we were seeing which were mostly a product of our strangely bifurcated food processing system, in which industrial food goes to one group of processors and then restaurant food goes and retail food goes to another, and so the farms are can't shift from one to another, but now if they're these unharvested fields, their armies volunteers who go invited in by the owners and get the perfectly good crops and bring. Bring them to relief organizations and I read about a group I did not know of in this. New York Times story called Boston's again Boston. Area gleaners bag in Massachusetts, so we want to find out exactly how to go and volunteer, and what farms are being opening their doors opening their fields, so these workers so isn't that something you WanNa do this weekend instead of a hotdog eating contest. Any you know of any that are local. How do people if people are interested in this? How would they find fellow gleaners to do something like this I plan to go on and look off an area gleaners. Into that right now. Which is a nonprofit, and then maybe you can post it on the site the context of how you volunteer how you can make a contribution to them. Yeah, they've got a very nice. It's Boston area. gleaners Dot Org, and the very first thing volunteered to glean cleaning harvesting surplus farm crops for waste and nourishing local families. People covid nineteen. On this website. They looked so happy clearly before social distancing 'cause. They're right on top of one another, but. It's an older picture. How does that work for the farmer? Then so if the farmers got fields and their unharvested with this, be something that you know a field would just because there's no, they can't afford to have people actually coming harvested, it would just kind of lie fallow, and everything would sort of rot in then they would I assume right that off as a loss. Business Wise if people do actually come in harvested in the food is donated. How does that work for the farmer from a business sense? If you know that's the next step in our reporting, I assume they're able to write it off as a donation to charity, which is a lot better than just plowing it under absolutely. Right well before before we let you go. To Go back to the restaurant question of bit because you know and I do feel conflicted talking about this, you know. Everybody has their own individual predilections of what they feel safe about, but. In your mind, what is it going to take for you to feel comfortable to go back into a restaurant as somebody who is working with this group studying this issue? A lot of outdoor air coming in a lot of air circulation open windows if I'm in a parking lot, the way branch line has in watertown. or a street as many restaurants in Boston are expanding onto the sidewalk. If there's a lot of outdoor air, circulating and space between the tables I feel good about that indoors. It's a long time from now. It's a lot more information about. How bad air airborne transmission is because that's just coming in now. We're constantly seeing new updates about that and then what we're finding lots of ingenious solutions of like little, they look like Enron air conditioners, but their ventilation systems that restaurants can invest in and put by the table, so let's see affair studies that prove those effective. There was also actually report just this morning about The use of air purifiers both industrial size and smaller ones can be just placed on a room by room basis. That just aren't least if if if the you know. The enclosed space is circulating. The same air can actually be used to SORTA. Purify it so I. Think I mean it seems it strikes me that this is going to require some good critical thought some ingenuity in some investment on the part of restaurants, but when all is said and done by this time next year. Do you have a sense of what percentage of restaurants and I know? They're a big ones and small ones in one's in between what percentage will have survived this? I haven't heard any more updates of the terrible thirty to forty percent loss that the independent restaurant coalition and others were saying informally so I. Have No idea but this stop start pattern of Miami that we were just talking about can be more devastating economically than waiting for a sensible reopening plan that can be confident, and so for all this research. Keep watching our safety first guidelines for food. Society the Aspen Institute because we're going to be releasing guidelines that try to address just these questions. To speak with you Corby Kummer. and. You and I donated to Boston area gleaners while we were on this call so your litter. As soon as we're done, that's exactly where I'm going. Thank you, Corby always a pleasure. Corby Kummer joins US regularly. He's the executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute. He's also senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at the Tufts Friedman School of nutrition, science and policy. Up Next Reverend Irene Monroe and Emmett price are here for this week's edition of all. On eighty nine seven Gbh Boston public. Radio
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Tom vilsek so people would think that became more of the same. He knows how to do the job. But it's more a lot more complicated than that. It seems there's a lot of pushback. Why is that coming. Well my esteemed colleague. Tom philpot who writes her mother. Jones said usda brings back stale white bread. So this was because there was either A white woman heidi heitkamp or an african american woman. Marcia fudge in contention for this as you know congresswoman fudge got Hud hutt And camp would have been many people's choice now avail stack the counter dot. Org great news source compiled all of the brief against vilsek. A first of all on the face of it somebody who was there eight years. How many new ideas does he have that. He didn't have in the eight years that i go with. And i'll i'll bring the litany down before being an optimist. So the reasons for the pushback are that he wasn't good enough about racial inequity and black farmers. Both he and former secretary dan glickman would say they did. Try to write a lot of the systemic. Racism wrongs of the usda in terms of making farmland inaccessible to african american farmers making it too expensive Essentially using government revenue lining. They did try they would say they tried very hard to write some of those wrongs. I think that activists would say they did not try hard enough And that this some of them are saying this new appointment of ill sack shows. They don't care about rural america they only care about industry. They don't care about black. America millions of immigrants and migrants of color. I think that's unfair Do i think that's unfair. Because when vilsek was in he personally championed michelle obama's improvements to school lunch nutrition standards were using sodium reducing added sugar increasing whole grains in school lunch and getting more money for reimbursement. That was a very heavy lift and without Ville sacks personal support. it wouldn't have passed. I'm hoping for good things around school lunches with his return. Also environmental activists are upset with him that he didn't do enough in that he's been up pulling down nearly a million dollars a year as a dairy industry lobbyist which he has been since he left. dairy industry is a big polluter. What does that mean for his support of climate change. We're going to have to see well. Sounds great like a great choice to mail you like. And what is the rationale assuming. It's a mixed bag and you seem to be saying it's more of a mixed bag than negative. Yup why did why did joe biden. Return to same as it ever was. I mean why did he go back to vilsek to begin with. I haven't read that anywhere simple friendship. And the fact that apparently offer his campaign will sack has been his agricultural adviser so he's been turning to him. What should my platform be watching. My statements be. He is a very trusted voice. And if you look at the cabinet choices. There are many really laudable path rakers firsts and then there are some plain old pals of biden's and he's one of them you know on another federal theme is a story in the counter seventy percent of farm labor investigations ending violations and it's talking about wage law violations and it's pretty obvious why they are what they are is because the people whose rights they're violating are often scared. Don't know what the rules of the road are gonna be penalized deported. Whatever it is the thing understand about the story that it ignores it mentions that these these intermediaries these contract or contractors who supply a significant percentage of the farm workers to the farmers that five percent of them of all those f. l. c.'s farm. What are they was this. Then for farm labor contractors five percent of the fell caesar responsible for sixty five percent of the violations. why are they not criminally prosecuted which it seems to me would end this whole thing. I mean they're not violators. They are repeat egregious. Violators of basic human rights. Prosecute them people because they're the agents and middlemen. I don't know that they're subjected to the same employee protection rules because it's not employees. It's this terrible middle ground that turns agricultural laborers into gig economy workers with no protections with no right to the same minimum wage that employees get which is often three dollars more in one example. The article gave. I don't know why they're not prosecuted. But i think it's a loophole because they're are not the employers time vilsek gonna get awards the five percent. We're going to get awards when he took over rather than Prosecuting the higher the abuse the higher the award. Exactly kidding. so can we get to our favorite and least favorite topic with you is the misery that restaurants are going through all over this country. What is the current state of affairs. There corby kummer. Well when you say there i A forum in our nation's capital as we speak in the radio was just announcing just announcing breaking news that the mayor of washington will close all indoor dining as of wednesday at ten pm. We know that Boston restaurants have seen Increasing cutbacks. In i the hours nothing past nine. Thirty no serving past nine thirty. I think they could let people socialize till ten and there was a very good long piece on. Npr's a website By tovia smith good contributor about a cornwall's tavern in boston which relies on bc students. I think and how the curfew was very damaging to them because students would come in after classes and at night they needed those late night hours to attract students and how incredibly difficult it is for businesses who reopened get staff back and then face reduced hours or from fifty percent to twenty five percent zero occupancy depending on the rate of community transmission and this is a constant fear of restaurant owners and worry but also what it points to is a larger truth in the restaurant business these days. Which is that. If you have not assembled a business model that will get you through and allow you to squeak by through takeout and delivery and then every so often you can open knowing you're probably going to have to cut back or shut you shouldn't be reopening at all. You should be trying to negotiate with your landlord to just ride out the winter It's a terrible truth but it's incredibly damaging and difficult for restaurants to partially reopen and then after close the other awareness. I that i just had to is. This is the holidays. How many holiday parties are held at restaurants. How many families are going out to dinner. There's just this epic amount of revenue. That's lost at this point to which Restaurants are trying to move forward trying to figure out how to keep up and trying to do some lawn long range planning if they can. That's not easy to do now. They have to contend with this too that they can't even get through the season without these further sanctions coming well yen in in boston. It was no parties larger than six in other places. It was no partners parties larger than ten. This is very good advice and my long my long just stating diner. Code of conduct is now set to be released on monday. Just in time for all these closings but you know. It's going to be released nationally by the national restaurant association. James beard foundation and other partners. Those are the big ones razzie. Mx they've distributed to everybody across the country. What shocks me is florida for. Example still as of last week at one hundred percent Indoor occupancy so around the country the larger the group at a table the more dangerous it is to the servers and the first step of our diner co conduct says. You agree as diner to wear your masks. Whenever are speaking to an employee. And whenever you're away from your table and really. That's one of the new. Charlie baker rules here by the way. When you're eating drinking it used to be just going to the restroom or something like that. If you're not eating or drinking of your mask on absolutely way to go charlie baker. The only governor seemed to have the courage to do that. was governor. pritzker annoy two months ago That's the most important role for all diners. That will really reduce risk for both diners and servers. It's the most important thing you can tell. And it's the hardest thing to get used to but by far the most important thing when you're not taking a bite of food your mask is on you know. I know this is the most broken of broken records but it deserves to be broken again. A for an industry that employs this many people for the federal and state government to have done so little to help restaurants a staggered to me one of our coworkers checked and it appears. There's nothing special other than the people situation in this nine hundred billion dollar plus thing that hopefully will make its way through congress today tomorrow the next day nothing there. We have mentioned almost every week. You're here and when you when you're not here. The totally commonsense affordable necessary bills that are still sitting on beacon hill. That have gotten no action. And i i just. I really don't understand. This was some sort of special interest group with a limited economic impact with a few employees. Even if it was meritorious i would understand. Say listen to can't take care everybody. I still don't understand why restaurants have gotten been pushed to the back of line by the federal government and our government here in massachusetts. Do you cory. I think you are being intentionally naive jim. Because they don't have sufficient lobbying power as a group. It's too many small independence of the kind we love and want to support locally and build their but that doesn't mean they have a wedge and lobbying power in washington and the money and cloud of the airline industry which is so consolidated and therefore so rich and has big lobbying power. That's really the main lesson for restaurants coming out of this year. Well you know even with maybe. I was being naive but even without lobbying power. You're not at all surprised. By the fact that an industry that has so many people working for it is getting such incredibly little attention. I'm stunned angry and disappointed. I'm outraged. I was hoping the restaurants act which is a great act and had over two hundred members of congress on both sides of the aisle supporting it. I was hoping it would be part of the news stimulus package every day. I've been watching new bulletins. I haven't gotten one in the past. Today's i haven't looked to see how far the restaurants act was in being included in this and it looked bad and and i am you know incredibly outraged by that because finally restaurants did to get did get together did get a very good piece of legislation written but it's in the trillions of dollars of relief that they say rightly restaurants need but they're also bills as we've said in this state legislature right one of which would cost them not a nickel which is in light of the fact that indoor dining and i'm sorry for those who depend upon it realistically. I think probably right after christmas. I'm guessing i have no inside information. The charlie baker wants. He's given him the holiday to try to make some money is i'm guessing is gonna shut down so you depend on takeout and delivery and you have these delivery fees that essentially take all your profits and there's a bill that would cap them. Which would cost taxpayers not a nickel and would save restaurants millions of dollars statewide. Even that doesn't see the light of day just the what other ten. How many restaurant workers in america. Ten million twelve million. I mean there are millions and millions and millions correct so it is correct me. Just say that One of the things that outrageous me. The most of this entire year has not been raining in the delivery industry And we discussed last week the most outrageous stories about door dashing grub and and what they told they extract on restaurants and the deal with the devil they force restaurants to this great great Economic report of a of a a liberal think tank in washington. Exactly how the gouge restaurants the the the outrage in dastardly contact Conduct of the app Delivery apps is i think one of the worst stories of two thousand twenty again. They can't even do that. Which would not cost one. Nickel to the tax payers of massachusetts would increase the profits as skimpy as they are for virtually every restaurant. That's been able to remain. It's just it's indefensible behavior on the part of our legacy. We're talking corby kummer corby. I moved to the next topic. I feel we gave short shrift to your your thing. That's coming out on monday. You won't mention one element of this or are there other elements that we should know about in advance or no sure and i will be We will be discussing it every show for the next three weeks because of our national press release going out of course the most important thing is where your mask at all times especially when interacting with servers. I hope that diners will extend that to whenever they are not taking a bite or drink of food. it also is. It keeps social distances. Everybody should know but also be nice. Be considerate to restaurants that are kinda killing themselves to be open and also One thing that we it was very controversial among our different sponsors. Is restaurant answer Very much Hurt their businesses. Hurt if you don't give at least twelve hours notice if you're not gonna show up no-shows with reduced occupancy are really damaging to restaurants so what Diner code says be nice. Be considered of restaurants essentially. Give them a break but also something that diners should be really sensitive to is if you make a reservation. You can't come. Be sure to tell them well in advance so corby one thing. The state is doing well at the moment. It's the first in the nation to have Pandemic meal assistance For for for free lunches. Free meals at schools reporting earlier. This week that d- a lot of parents. A lot of families are having difficulties even getting to schools that are still supplying These meals just because they can't work it through zoom schedule so it's a challenge. Anyway we know the the huge rising numbers of food insecurity in this state on all across the country. But what's happening now to make this a little bit easier for families. Can we have a little bit of raw boston massachusetts while we've been very angry at the not helping the restaurants sufficiently first of all there's prioritizing prisoners for vaccine receipt. Which is i think the only state in the country that is doing that right And being really good and thoughtful about vaccine distribution okay. That's one thing. Also it's im- it's making pandemic Edt benefits incredibly easier and accessible for families that already qualify for snap secretary of health and human services. Mary lou sutter's is saying that She's actually recognizing could say public statements that covid nineteen is exacerbated food insecurity especially for children who receive nutrition support in school settings. That may sound bland. but it's so progressive compared to other states that are recognizing that hunger has doubled since lockdown and that the demand foodbanks has almost or in some states completely doubled so the state is allowing people who already have a bt benefit cards to be able to buy the food that they would have gotten at schools as part of the school lunch program. Just use that money goes onto their cards. They can go to wherever they shop supermarkets walmart and amazon. Take these also even for delivery and use that money And they're going to make up for the meals missed during october and november by the end of the december payment on their pandemic e-bt card. I think that's absolutely great. And there's they've announced it as being indefinite through the end of the school year That's so progressive in good. It is good and we should end actually another good note. A tell us who ninety four year old marilyn hagerty is. I love this story. Made my morning think about marilyn hagerty is that she can file three newspapers age of nine before and not run out of ideas and usually one of them is a local place like the olive garden which she has reviewed multiple times. She was on anderson. Cooper twice Because when she was a young spring chicken in her eighties now ninety four she did it very poker faced absolutely straight dead pan and she meant it review of the olive garden. How many olives. There were literally olives. There were in a caesar salad with the grilled chicken plate. But now that she's writing and her her her late husband who died. Twenty years ago was the editor of the paper And her son says she's not doing this for the money. She's doing it to stay sane because she refuses to be old so talk about inspiration. My favorite quote was one of the floor managers of the blue moose bar and grill in east grand forks minnesota where she dines fairly often every year or so for a reevaluation says that the manager will come back and say hey maryland's here if she sees something negative though she'll politely mentioned it but she doesn't gordon ramsay start growing plates aroused. Say this ratatouille is garbage. You know her by the way no no no but apparently she's not a critic if she doesn't throw plates and say this ratatouille is car before you go. Here's a quiz for you. Because we haven't done. Our friday cuisine ages will return to it at some point in spring and hope who loves amongst the three of us a narrow. The field who loves learned this morning olive garden. Who would that be ten seconds. Jared considering that you learned it this morning. Exactly yeah sharon your power play marilyn hagerty tell us why you love olive garden there. Jared bone wonderfully apportioned olives. They come they come to your table with the grater. You can have as much as you want in my case. It's an entire mountain salad. It's reliable food unlimited breadsticks through. Isn't it or something. I i'm not sure i would know about that. Old brother of maryland. Haggerty in grand forks been there a corby to the olive garden. Yes i have been to the. I think that's true. Have you really. it is true. And what did you think that there is an incredible amount of salt in the pasta sauce. What do you say to that shared bone. I'm sorry do well sorry that you went to the salted. She had high hopes for it. You know they have this whole italian stick they do. Hey corby congratulations on getting these Got what is it what. What's the formal name of this thing. You're doing diner code of conduct. The diner code of conduct beautifully designed by by raising amex. They redid it most beautifully. We're really to talk about more. thanks so much. and congratulations. good to talk to gordon. Thank you so much corby. Kummer is executive director of the food and society policy program at the aspen institute a senior editor of the atlantic and a senior lecturer at the tufts friedman school of nutrition science and policy coming up keep buddha judge has been tapped to run the department of transportation. Is this a good day for the lgbt community or a good day for transportation with someone so hope high profile young and out in charge sue. O'connell joins us to talk about that and more on eighty nine seven gbh. Boston public radio I'm aroon roth coming up on. Gbh is all things considered. The corona virus vaccine developed by cambridge based moderna has cleared a key hurdle could be making its way to the public soon and we're coming up on the eighteen. Th anniversary of the station nightclub fire in rhode island that left one hundred people debt. A new book explores the tragedy.
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"Support for Boston public radio comes from the Museum of Russian icons. Now, open with time to ticketing on view now, tradition and opulence Easter and imperial Russia details and ticket Info at Museum of Russian icons. Dot Org and John Williams August Eighteenth Twenty Fifth Tanglewood Dot Org. Welcome back to Boston Publicradio Jim Brady's he'll be back on Monday John. Bowen is filling in joining us a line to talk about the latest headlines at the intersection of food policy and food culture is food writer Corby Kummer he's executive director of the Food and Safety Policy Program with the Aspen Institute a senior editor at the Atlantic and senior lecturer at the Tufts Friedman School, nutrition science, and policy. Hey, corby. So. Let's start where jared, just mentioned the. CAPE COD. Choice to farmers. And the environment this getting ever more precarious for them pollution over harvesting. This is a really Upsetting story tell us what's happening well. The Times, a feature about the revival of. Farms on CAPE COD bay. So wild always have been in trouble for decades especially in the Gulf, for example, but farmers including Guy Chris Crowbar in East Ham. In Cape Cod Day is managing to make a living just and this wonderful photo essay in the times followed him around and a in the eighteen seventies. If you want to go back of their Marjorie, there were one point, five, million oysters a day being dredged up by the highest tech schooners. Can you imagine what that did to the native oyster population? Yeah and now pollution development over horse overharvesting disease they've decimated this one percent of historical levels but This is essentially a good news story about a farmer WHO's one of many on the Cape and the writer Tamra Hassel who's a fabulous Washington Post communist she's got one in Duxbury she and her husband far moisture's, and so she's tweeting all summer about their. Farm. So it's you know become a craft industry barnstable Chatham Orleans. All these places have this great combination of brackish water meaning, fresh trial water, sweet marsh algae, and salt that that feed oysters and make for good flavor. But it's a tiny fraction of what they used to be. You can't necessarily tell with the oyster farms if they've been raised on a farm or their their fresh out in the wild or do they not even really. retrieve them from the wild anymore. So such a good question jared because usually. Island Creek Oyster Bar. The great is. Your Bar may it reopen partnership of Garrett Harker with the owner violent creek, which is a Duxbury oyster-farm they they've made a brand for themselves. So a number of these oyster farms I can't remember the multi syllable named like Mattapoisett in but in Maine has branded itself and it's kind of oyster, but usually a menu will have on it. This is from the X. or farm as appointed as opposed to the generic wealth stor, which doesn't say any farm because well, fleet itself had a great reputation and still does in the America of the eighteen eighties and nineties. was. Associated with robber barons 'cause you know you had to be rich to have a wealth lead. But Jared. Mostly you will see on a menu, the name of farm if it's farmed. and. How do we? Sorry. You go ahead. Of how they're doing with so many restaurants. Either still closed or or not doing the business they were. This piece didn't speak about that but I would think they're doing badly the way lobster prices have plummeted in the past two months because they don't have. This is the high season and they don't have their wholesale orders in their restaurant. So Maine lobster farmers are in real trouble I haven't checked into what? Farmers are doing I, just know from my family and friends. In fact I family have a house in East Ham that they go every night for her. So it's a big local specialty people are going to the Cape but what that means for national statistics for sure sales I, don't know. You just one nice thing about wasters. Is there like a? Taunts waster location like if you if you're going to get the best oysters. Author off the coast. Would they be from wealthy? They beat from someplace thousand such a you know what? Because we are Boston's and Cape Lovers let's just say it's as of today East Tab. At wealthly. Okay. You know those are the great orser locations. In fact, the first oysters you have often determine your taste. For example, some people much prefer the flavor of the much smaller kind of intensely flavored West Coast Oysters and so often Boston Menus, we'll have west coast oysters I don't like them as much as well. Fleets and Long Island Long Island authors. And some people love Gulf oysters around Louisiana. Them huge fleshy fat sort of horrible flaccid but that's just a regional thing. So one of America's remaining great regional delicacies and you should decide for yourself Marjorie what the best ways to raise. In final question for me on this corby, do you add anything to the oysters or purist? Don't don't pollute them with anything? No sauce lemon and nothing. I have a feeling. You know the answer that question is purest. I just WANNA tasty waster, and then remember it so that when you asked me, do I want Louisiana or as Seattle or a wealthy toys her, I'll be able to tell you no no no, it's Duxbury. Island Creek or nothing. So. So, let's talk about this article about gratuities that people in restaurants where there on. Tips added onto their bill. The customers apparently don't like it much. Without I'm about to attack this entire article and this entire concept. Sorely. All right. So for some reason. The Department of Marketing and International Business of the Carson College of business in Pullman. Washington managed to get headlines that attracted all of our attention from a study they did in two thousand nineteen. And I had to go digging defined. This actually originally came out in two thousand nineteen. What are they getting publicity for the idea that if a restaurant put eighteen, twenty, twenty, two percent. Of Tip. On top of the price and you get the check at your table with that included, you feel robbed of Control Autonomy Personal Agency you're Matt. and. The Great. The insight that I like from this piece is that we all think it's because cheapskates want to punish their waiter for not coming to the table and time in fact, the people who were most disgruntled we're the ones who wanted to add extra express their appreciation. They felt that their ability to do that their power was robbed. The whole thing seemed really dumb to me. First of all, because restaurants are in such a crisis, they're trying desperately to survive why even bring this up now I couldn't believe it was A recent study, it's not it's from last year, and the other is because if you wanna add the gratuity and then leave an extra line for somebody to add another line to the tip, just leave that extra light it couldn't be easier and that sort of appears farther down in the study. But what it brings to mind is why would you mind if somebody just brought you the check with the tip included which most people who care about restaurant workers think is the wave of the future. So how do you feel about this? Well, you're talking to somebody you spent years as a waitress. So I don't like it detail. The truth I get the idea of sharing the wealth, and if you WANNA share the wealth, go ahead and share the wealth divvied up among the restaurant workers but they're good waiters way people wait what Craig now wait people that we call them servers servers. Thank you and there are bad ones and I guess that's that's the problem. I think it's Hard. For people to see they're given a eighteen percent tip to someone they thought gave them bad service or that it has somebody that they really liked it was extraordinary that they couldn't give them extra. I. I get that and I get that somebody who was a waitress for years I mean I'd love scofflaws around me where we hours working pretty damn hard. You know what I mean. But again, you're saying you're saying something that makes perfect sense and you're expressing it beautifully. But when this all came up when Danny Meyer, the famous New York restaurant tour. Tried to have hospitality included and starter national trend. It did not work because of articulate people like you but almost every here here's the but almost every survey shows that people who tips state right exactly the same percentage range almost entirely. So even though you think so think back to when you wanted to say via your restaurant Bill Hey, you're going to give better service I earned y tips for years and I know what good services you did not give it to me. Here's your punishment. So do you remember actually doing that? No I was always too much of a chicken but I remember those great stories about the waitresses at Durgin Park which is no longer with us how they chase people down the stairs and the throw the money the. Need us more than me never those great. Apparently some resources you could snarl at people I never did but I. Think they paid some of the really crankiest servers to follow people down the stairs that. Just like. I couldn't believe. Theater of restaurants. I don't have to do the math. It's all taken care of for me. It's the just for that. Alone I was just because I'm doing it my food and society by Policy Program at the aspirin, it's time right now doing this. Set of guidelines in the Safety First Project I've been doing this for servers and one of the things that is worth advocating a this is really about restaurants safety but I'm GonNa make it broader is I was just corresponding with the restaurant owner of a lot of restaurants in New York last night the idea that you know how the range another thing people actually never vary the amount of tip they leave. If you give people three options at the cash register, they always pick the middle one. So what you do is you pick your options to have the middle one be the one you want them to choose, and so it's often fifteen, twenty, twenty-five percent, and now it should be twenty. Twenty, five thirty or even a law probably a bridge too far right now twenty five, thirty, thirty five. But what this restaurant who were saying is the average should be twenty, five percent period. For example, even Danny Meyer has suspended his idea of hospitality included when he reopens a very few restaurants because he says so so many people are desperate for work I'm not going to deprive them of one cent of additional income that they can be making right now on. So few people have restaurant work. If I can give it to them. But another thing is you if your ordering in if you're going to a coffee shop whatever you should now be automatically increasing the amount of tip, you ever gave pre pandemic. That's good advice Kirby cover. So bars of getting a really bad rap but how about the small breweries during the pandemic sees little businesses that were all the rage right up until this all happened. You, know microbrewery. So my my my friend and colleague James Vows of the Atlantic is a craft brewer lover. so He's been going across the country finding wonderful stories about renaissance's of of small cities and towns that have really reinvented themselves. Post technology no matter what the federal government is doing or not doing to help them. They have helped themselves. So He's Full of inspiring stories but he's real the way I would always go to a coffee pastry shop wherever I went first place I would go his first places craft brewery. So he was talking about a Massachusetts brewery that was a reinventing itself in order to have people come in and so as as you know bars in many states that have closed down again. You have to be serving food. You can only serve liquor if you serve food. So bars are like installing mini kitchens with microwaves and they have snacks and they have hollow painel poppers or maybe buffalo wings if they're really really. Ambitious, but they're fairly well situated. Think of the brewery tasting rooms you've been in the didn't have food. Now they have food there often big spaces so they are designed for social distance. So in ways, they're much better situated than bars to try to make money off their taproom. So some craft worries are putting what a Florida brewery good called the magical hotdog, which was a cheap way of saying, Hey, I'm a restaurant now I'm in the law I'm serving food, and I can still make some money at my craft brewery or another one installed its own canning line in the bay area of California and has greatly increases business thrive through new distribution, new delivery and new ways of delivering its beer. Packaging it. Does. That very clever. Yeah. Well. I. It's all about the business plan right? Because this is a moment where you're sitting at home you can you have the to bring things to us you can't go to places. So it's it's all about the marketing as you say distribution. What's a very useful thing is even for small restaurants and all restaurants to read this story, it's two examples one renovating a taproom and including the magical half hotdog one installing your own canning line and managing to find distribution, which takes him bishen and money. But I think that this and changing the business model as you say, Jarrett is the wave of the future for restaurants that are going to be faced. Even if they're allowed to reopen with intermittent shutdowns, look at Garrett, Harker and eastern standard I get an email every day. From, Eastern Standard Provisions, Kinda Grocery and food delivery business that he has started Pagu in central square has started a whole grocery store component for central square resident and delivery. They're doing actual hand delivery door to door. So the innovative thoughtful restaurants are finding new ways to have revenue streams. It's not the same as it was before it can not provide anything like the amount of work to servers like you Marjorie who wanted to live on tips or know how to deliver good service, but it's a way of trying to keep alive. Corby Kummer this is the point. I had all the recent conversations with you. I. Think and this is a point in which I turned to our Kenzi portion of the conversation as I have yet another update Jiang meat-processing in meat packing plants. What are we now learning? Why haven't I thought of the word to Kinsey in jared because the site of current industrial cruelty and the man and Allah guards and robber barons being completely callous indifferent and cruel to their workers and not caring if they live or die is playing out every day in meatpacking plants in America, and we're you know we're just sitting around and maybe going Tisco tests about it, but it's an incredibly disturbing story. So this is a sort of piece of good news which is. In the complete vacuum federal leadership, the trump administration knuckling under to campaign donors like Tyson and Smithfield foods, which managed to get the administration to call a meatpacker workers essential workers so that there wouldn't be threatened food shortage, which of course, was never an actual threat and and these food companies after managing to call their workers. Essential Workers had bumper crop and their record exports to China so they're complete frauds in liars. They're also the essential worker thing absolves them of responsibility if their workers get covert the job. Because they were essential worker. So Michigan State has stepped in and said farmers and food processors. You have to routinely screening test all employees for Covid, nineteen and this applies to operators of migrant housing, and if any of you read the horrifying stories decanes Dickensian. Jared of tomato pickers in Florida the COA coalition of a Moccoli farmworkers, which is created national improvements by rallying for better pay and better housing conditions for migrant farm workers. So the State of Michigan stepped in as Iowa should, as every meet pack and North Carolina should and said, we're holding you responsible you have to test your workers for disease. Really about this me plans it it it. Just makes you disgusted to think about the meat to I? Mean this is not a good marketing. People are paying attention to it strategy for these meat producers I mean. I don't know do you want to eat something from Tyson plant? Of the family members, another piece that we think all saw this week is about There was in the Washington Post was about a a farm worker for the J. B. S. Plant J. B. S. is one of the biggest and worst plans country and cruelest in Greeley Colorado who gave the virus to his mother. He was a refugee from Kumano very, very beautifully spoken in this in this heartbreaking Washington Post piece, and he knows that because he was not given the proper guidance or protective equipment in Greeley Colorado at this. Plant he brought the virus home to his mother and she died. So he will he brisket cutter. So you know if jim were on, he would no longer look at a piece of brisket the same way he would wonder cut this. Mother for the right of my brisket piece. I. Know It's it's just it's it is horrifying. It's like those awful things used to read about the slaughter houses at Chicago, a million years ago Upton Sinclair's. It's Century later. Yeah. Corby. Kummer. Thank you very much. Hope you and your family are all well and do. Good. Yes. Touchy soon. And You Food writer Corby Kummer joins US every week he's executive director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspen Institute a senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecturer at the Friedman School, of attrition, science, and Policy. Coming up the latest police arrest drawing outrage as the hook is thrown at an eight-year-old Callie Crossley joins us for that more on eighty nine seven W. G.. B.. H.. Boston public radio. In Two Thousand Sixteen Rasha ventured in
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Music and Stories | Zal Kanga Parabia and Kobi Arthur Morrison | 31 July 2020
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That was all noah and I didn't know much but it was just sore. Moving to his entire play in the original language of this place. And I recommend even just learning a bit going out into the Bush and being able to pull the tree by Nemesis. Really really powerful. So thank you want again, questions all and thank you all so much for coming tonight and adding to the present and please take as long as you like this to relax. You want to make your way over to the reception area or have they drive home. Thanks once again.