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"Unfiltered version of ourselves. But it does exist, but you can have an intuitive way of being or like a very careful thing through everything that you say, yeah. I've definitely let loose some tweets that I probably shouldn't have and that I'm not on Twitter. I'm afraid. It's so easy. I've gotten in trouble at work because of Twitter. Yeah, that's why I'm not there. Yeah. I will not have a job if I go to Twitter. Oh, I have sub tweeted my boss on Twitter before. Pulled into the boss's office and I was just like, hi. I'm sorry. It's me. Hello, you know it's me. Because we saw my tweet. So, yeah. Okay. This is also like a good thing for me to hear. I'm not going to TikTok. I'm not going to Twitter. I'm going to stay on Instagram. I think you have the perfect websites for you, yeah. I think that Twitter really Twitter and TikTok, I think, encourage some of our worst instincts in a way. So I think that's a good choice to make. You have been my digital therapist. I love that. Thank you for that. Thank you for coming here to Copenhagen in this very, very non loyal weather and college was about the weather of the Internet culture. The changing. I'm not going to use this analogy anymore now. No, I love it. I'm a Pisces. I love this. Thank you. Thank you. It's been great. All right, that is the second I see why my live show in existence will be back in your feed, not live on Saturday. So definitely subscribe. It is the best day to never miss an episode to never miss an announcement for a future live show. Please leave a rating and review an apple or Spotify and tell your friends about us. Tell all your international Friends about us. I didn't realize we had Danish fans. Hello. You can follow us on Twitter, I see why minus square pod which is also where you can give us your questions like, what was your MySpace song? And you can also always drop us a noted ICI my slate dot com. I see why Maya's produced by Daniel Schrader, Sierra Sprague ricks, and me, Rachel Hampton, daisy Rosario is our senior supervising producer and luci Montgomery of slave VP of audio. See you online. Or in Copenhagen. Hey everybody, it's Tim heidecker. You know me, Tim and Eric bridesmaids and Fantastic Four. I'd like to personally invite you to listen to office hours live with me and my co hosts DJ Doug pound. Hello and Vic Berger. Howdy. Every week we bring you laugh fun games and lots of other surprises. It's live. We take your Zoom calls. We love having fun, excuse me. Songs. Vic said something. Music. I like having fun. I like to act. I like to be people who can make me laugh. Please subscribe. No.
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"copenhagen" Discussed on The Secret History of the Future
"Unfiltered version of ourselves. But it doesn't exist, but you can have an intuitive way of being or like a very careful thing through everything that you say, yeah. I've definitely let loose some tweets that I probably shouldn't have and that I'm not on Twitter. I'm afraid. It's so easy. I've gotten in trouble at work because of Twitter. I just swept up there. Yeah. I will not have a job if I go to Twitter. Oh, I have tweeted my boss on Twitter before. Pulled into the boss's office and I was just like, hi. I'm sorry. It's me. Hello, you know it's me. Because we saw my tweet. So, yeah. Okay. This is also like a good thing for me to hear. I'm not going to TikTok. I'm not going to Twitter. I'm going to stay free on Instagram. I think you have the perfect websites for you, yeah. I think that Twitter really Twitter and TikTok, I think, encourage some of our worst instincts in a way. So I think that's a good choice to make. You have been my digital therapist. I love that. Thank you for that. Thank you. Coming here at Copenhagen in this very, very non loyal weather and comments were about the weather of the Internet culture. The changing. I'm not going to use this analogy anymore now. No, I love it. I'm a Pisces. I love this. Thank you. Thank you. It's been great. All right, that is the second I see why my live show in existence will be back in your feed, not live on Saturday. So definitely subscribe. It is the best day to never miss an episode to never miss an announcement for a future live show. Please leave a rating and review an apple Spotify and tell your friends about us. Tell all your international Friends about us. I didn't realize we had Danish fans. Hello. You can follow us on Twitter, I see why minus square pod which is also where you can give us your questions like, what was your MySpace song? And you can also always drop us a noted icy Y, my sleep dot com. I see why Maya's produced by Daniel Schrader, Sierra sprag Lee ricks, and me, Rachel Hanson. Daisy Rosario is our senior supervisor producer and luci Montgomery of slave VP of audio. See you online. Or in Copenhagen. Hey everybody, it's Tim heidecker. You know me Tim and Eric bridesmaids and Fantastic Four. I'd like to personally invite you to listen to office hours live with me and my co hosts DJ Doug pound. Hello and Vic Berger. Howdy. Every week we bring you laugh fun games and lots of other surprises. It's live. We take your Zoom calls. We love having fun, excuse me. Songs. Vick said something. I like having fun. I like to act. I like to be people who can make me laugh. Please subscribe. No.
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"And Copenhagen. I also kind of promised people here showing up that you would come give us like maybe an example of a nice balance in ways to get the best out of the TikTok app without engaging with children. But like in a way like how would you go about not being on TikTok but getting the best out of its existence if it's not going to be banned everywhere? What's your best recommendation for engaging with TikTok without engaging too much with TikTok as the ulsters online? Or maybe just people, young people don't want to deal with it. Yeah. I don't know if it's possible. I'm going to be completely honest. I think so much of TikTok exists on other platforms. If you're on Twitter or on Instagram, you see a lot of tiktoks regardless because Instagram reels are just TikTok. And then people post them all over Twitter. They even on tumblr at this point. So you will see tiktoks and you'll see the ones that are kind of the most curated version of it. But a lot of TikTok also exists within the platform, the comment section on TikTok is maybe one of the most important things about the app and you don't get that unless you're on the app. I think that if you don't want to be on TikTok, then you just have to commit to not being on TikTok in the same way that I'm like, I don't understand sports and I never will. And I know that I'm missing out on a huge portion of culture because I made that choice. Cool. I'm sorry. So I was disappointed. Yeah, I'm so sorry. I actually feel comfortable with this information. It makes more people feel better. That you don't have to be on TikTok. I don't want to. Yeah. I just don't want to do it. That is so fair. Thank you. Thank you for setting me free. You're welcome to be old and has been. I mean, I think TikTok is having its moment right now, but I think, again, in the same way that Twitter is broken and Facebook is boomer and MySpace who I miss. I miss putting up songs. So which song did you have on this space? This is going to be embarrassing. Do you know my chemical romance? Yes. I thought it was my enemy poster. I'm not okay. No. Yeah, I don't know. Just think of an angsty teenager putting the song I'm not okay by my chemical romance. They're profile and you will understand the vibe I was giving off. Okay. So you and me, we would have a problem. I think we would have had a big. I was a punk. Oh, I was a poser. I was an email. Everyone saw it was the same. It's not the same at all. Oh, you're one of those emo kids. No, no, no, no, no. I look at me. I'm not emo. It was a big deal for me. Yeah, that's fair. To try and provide distant myself from my chemical romance. But I think I would have enjoyed it. I am going to be honest the music is pretty good. I still like it. Paramore? Phenomenal. I could just not. Maybe but not. Now you can. Because now I'm a free person a little pop culture error. Exactly. We love the gray area. There's no wrong or wrong, wrong or right, but then I was like, I was harsh. Oh, I was the same way, except I was just convinced I wasn't a poser, but now I know that I will. Now I'm aware. I'm fully aware. Okay. Yes. It was, I think we need to I know there are songs now on Instagram, but it makes it stressful. Because you will have on a podcast like what I see why am I and having a good time listening to the podcast and then you will stroll. Yeah, you're hitting the face with comfort by Beyoncé. Song will just like ruin everything for you. And a very different volume than the podcast. Yes. So I feel like no sounds on social media. You just wouldn't know sounds on social media. I want to choose it. I don't want to be surprised. I like being surprised back then, but now it gives me a headache. That is fair. I really don't think you'd like TikTok. No, I'm not going to do it. I feel everything you're saying makes me feel like you're constitutionally averse to TikTok as a concept. There's a lot of surprises. There's a lot of loud music. Okay. I think I just came here to be relieved. Oh, I love to do that for people. Just not having to engage. You don't have to get up. Yeah. I mean, also TikTok is so young at this point. I think 2023, it's four years old really in terms of its popularity. I would give it at least another two years before we start actually thinking that it's inescapable. We will be taking another short break afterwards, we'll be hearing some audience questions. This podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Most of you listening right now are probably multitasking. Yep, while you're listening, you're probably also driving, cleaning, exercising, or maybe even grocery shopping. But if you're not in some kind of moving vehicle, there's something else you can be doing right now, which is getting an auto quote from Progressive Insurance. It's easy and you could save money by doing it right from your phone. 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"copenhagen" Discussed on The Secret History of the Future
"I interacted with the Internet. I think I am a person who just interacts with things through kind of incoherent love. When I love something I want to know everything about it, I want to look at the gifts that see these minute interactions. I want to know what the actor was thinking when he was filming that scene. I want to see what other people are thinking about this. I just want to know that feeling when you're just going to be 13 and you were listening to Beyoncé and just screaming with your Friends. I want that feeling but online. And so that was most of the reason I would go online was to look at the things I was interested in the time which were shows like Supernatural, which is kind of embarrassing. One direction, which is also really embarrassing. I'm just embarrassing myself right now. But all these things that I love as an adolescent and just really wanted to know everything I possibly could about them. I feel that it was way of escaping, only having to hang out with people from school. And having all the people from your dream schoolyard who are interested at the same topics as you are. And just being able to speak to them in Italy speak to them in Mississippi, have interaction with people who are not at the same place at you, but mentally they are. And phantom wise they are. So also, I had a very subcultural teenage era where I was into punk music and alternative rock and just like a movie freak. So also into like a lot of fandom also into a lot of fan fiction and stuff like that. So my space, but also earlier Scandinavian places like Luna storm, there was like a sweetest social media that spilled into Denmark where you could have a diary, people could follow. So people could like, subscribe to your diary. Which is like incredible and also terrifying. Terrifying idea. I'm happy it's not even on anything right now. Yeah. But it felt important to have readers. Yeah. Who could like all the things you should have to say? And we're like there for it. Yeah. And I feel like I haven't quite gotten rid of that part of me that wants to write diary on live. I mean, look at what we're doing. This message is brought to you by discover. Did you know you could have reduced the number of unwanted calls and emails with online privacy protection. The latest innovation from discover. Discover will help regularly remove your personal information like your name and address from ten popular people search websites that could sell your data. And they'll do it for free. Activate in the discover app. See terms and learn more at discovered dot com slash online privacy protection. You may know Kelly ripa from hosting the live with Kelly and Ryan show for the last 20 years. Now you can get to know her in a whole new way by listening to her podcast. Let's talk off camera with Kelly ripa. This weekly podcast will transport you inside the unfiltered mind of Kelly ripa. In each episode, Kelly will dive deep into her life and candidly discuss her marriage, motherhood career, and how she manages to juggle it all in the public eye. Kelly will talk about everything she can never see on camera. It will be unfiltered and deep but most of all, it's gonna be fun. Joined by a rotating group of friends like Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson, Kelly dives deep into a wide range of topics. They'll talk about everything from crazy fitness trends to sex tips all with humor, heart and tenacity. So whether you're a longtime Kelly fan or just looking for a great new show, this podcast is perfect for you. Listen to let's talk off camera with Kelly ripa every Wednesday on Apple stitcher or ravioli in a podcast. Yeah. I feel like podcasting is all the incidents folds. Yeah. I think too much to say. And no one in your life actually wanting to hear it. So you say it's a bunch of strangers. Yes. This is why it's also weird for us to be here at a stage. Looking at people's faces. Because the appeal of a podcast is being able to hide. But still have a lot to say, exactly. Yeah. But being able to hide it. It's the freedom of not having to be on television. Freedom of being able to be on, yeah, I feel it. And also, I ask you about growing up online because there's this feeling right now of me growing old online. I have this feeling that I have been young online. I have been middle aged online and now I feel like I'm growing old on entering boomer and I'm answering. I don't think you're quite there. In a way that's like, I don't have a TikTok account. I don't actually know what's going on on that app besides what people tell me is going on on that app in your podcast. Yeah. And I don't know what Twitch is. I don't know what anything is. I have no idea what anything is anymore. Yeah. I know what Instagram is. Which feels boomer. Which feels like the new Facebook. I think boomer is Facebook. The Uber still on Instagram. You're okay. You're okay. Okay, yeah, no. You're so far with it. But I have invited people here on the pretense of you being able to disguise for us what we're missing out on. If we're growing old online and can't seem to find our way into the TikTok thing, so what is the moment of TikTok for you right now there is this whole debate in America if it's even going to be an American anymore. But what is the importance of TikTok for you and people you're generation? Yeah, that's a really big question. I will say that I consider myself a millennial Gen Z cusp. I was born the last year that you can be old millennial on the first year. You can be a gym a part of Gen Z so I think TikTok means a lot more to people about 5 to 7 years younger than me. I was actually kind of a late adopter of TikTok. TikTok was really big. In 2019, 2020, which is when it was actually kind of subcultural when it was actually fully youth culture. Now everyone and their mom is on TikTok. They're actually a lot of moms on TikTok. Kim Kardashian is with her kids. So Gordon Ramsay's on TikTok with his kid. Yeah, yeah, it's really become, I think, the dominant mode through which people under the age of 26 interact with the Internet. And that is a really huge shift in that most other platforms from Facebook to Twitter to even Instagram, which all have image capabilities, but not necessarily aren't image dominant. Are kind of their aid trying to keep up with TikTok, what the way Instagram works now is very algorithmic size, which TikTok perfected. But it means that we are kind of facing head on what people look like in a way that we never have before, and how they interact with the world. And it's supposed to be a more authentic mode, but it ends up kind of encouraging a very specific type of behavior. You can almost tell if someone spends a lot of time on TikTok just based on how they talk. There are certain phrases and mannerisms. I'm trying to think of one right now that isn't completely embarrassing. If you've listened to this is a song with Doja Cat, there's a sound in the middle of it. And if you're on TikTok, you go like this, which you put your hand out like this at the specific moment. And if you see someone do that during that song, you know that they spend a lot of time on TikTok. So it's one of those things where when you're in the know you're in the know, I can't say that you don't need to be on TikTok, but I understand why people aren't on TikTok. It's very overwhelming. It takes a while for the algorithm to really figure out who you are. So the first, I would say month is kind of like if you've never had chocolate cake before and suddenly you're allowed to have chocolate cake every single day. Yeah. Yeah, the overwhelming thing is for me the reason why I'm not like the feeling of total digital overwhelming being overwhelmed digitally is why I can't go in there and become like sunken into the place. I have some hope that TikTok in a way is what early Internet culture was because you have like board culture when I talk with my husband's little brother, he's like into a lot of nerdy stuff on TikTok the way I was into nerdy boards on early Reddit soil of kind of bored Internet sites in like 2004 to one. So it seems like there's also like a throwback element of all the things that all of us who are a little too old for TikTok can maybe find some similarities in the rabbit hole appeal like if you're really into FX twin. There's I've heard a big fandom about him and nerd culture about him and his music. Yeah. So that's really interesting. So here that there's an element of nostalgia there too. Some people always also looking back there and not just ahead. Yeah, do you feel like I definitely do a lot of time TikTok tends to retread things that if you've been on the Internet before, you're like, oh, sweet summer child, you're finally figuring this out. So there's fan fiction on TikTok. There's a video fan fiction. People edit themselves into the world of Harry Potter or twilight or of shadow and bone or of Stranger Things. There are a lot of fandoms on TikTok in a way that feels like tumblr, but doesn't quite, there's not the same level I would say of analysis necessarily just because you can only say so much, really. I mean, it's our job to talk a lot, but I feel like the video format doesn't necessarily lend itself well to actual criticism. The people are trying, but people get bored. The point of TikTok is the hook you in within the first 30 seconds. Okay. And I feel like we're both podcast hosts in a very specific era of cultural wars and cultural divide and people calling things woke all the time. And a very overwhelming feeling of people wanting answers for what they can do and not do. And what's appropriate and what's not appropriate. And we talked about that walking in the sun in Copenhagen, those brief moments of gorgeous son. We talked about what that means right now what kind of like so I was wondering about TikTok and does that vibe spill into that too, like the cultural divide right now, how does that affect the young generation there, how do they respond to this time we're in with a feeling of arguments that will never end? Yeah. How is that affecting that social media, do you think? I think it's making people a lot more scared in a way. To really engage in the content of the cancel culture because I think a lot of it is just called consequences for your actions, which a lot of people have never experienced, but there is, I think, a real sense of fear in a lot of really young people that at any given moment, a TikTok you made for your Friends that will appear on their feed because they follow you can also end up appearing on the feed of 20 million people worldwide. And I don't know about you, but if my 14 year old thoughts were being shared with the potential to be shared with millions of people, I would, I can love. Yeah. Exactly. A lot of these kids are growing up in public in a way that even though we spent time online, we had communities that we chose to be a part of. On tumblr, you chose who you followed on Facebook, you chose where your Friends on Instagram you chose to follow TikTok is the first app that is purely algorithm based where you're experience is not dictated at all by who you follow. It's dictated by all these micro measures of interest. So even if you hate something, if you watch to the end, you're going to be shown more of that. So people get stuck in these holes. And what that means is that oftentimes things that have the most engagement have the most engagement because they're being hated on, which means that you can have a video go viral for all the worst reasons. And I think that really affects how a lot of people grow up and that they're trying to have the safest opinion possible. And not only happens when there's no nuance. The safest opinion possible. I find that so interesting because what scares me about doing a podcast and this site does is people asking me, so can I listen to Kanye West? Like in my DM for coming to me for an answer for what they can do. And I talked to you about this. I feel like in the 80s, you had the Reagan era. You had the sticker on CDs called parental advisory that said, this is bad music with devil worshiping and bad, bad behavior. And I feel like maybe we're diving into the Reagan with the oh, you can't do that. Oh, you can't. Nope, I'm not going to listen to that. I'm not going to engage with this. And I'm going to leave the dance floor with the whole editing where you can and not when you can't be in where you can't be. It seems to me a way that racist nuance and doubt and curiosity, which is a part of the appeal of pop culture. And being online and interacting with people in a free and goofy and insecure way that you have to be very secure. So I see a lot of, this is how it works when I look at TikTok videos. This is like a tutorial vibe. Which reminds me two months of the parental advisory sticker. So what do you, what's your feelings about the whole maybe we're repeating a part of conservative history in the free liberal alternative feminist conscious realm of podcasting and TikTok and having conversations about culture because I feel like there's like a big conflict in me with that weird conservative reenactment of Reagan and the way people edit themselves in their opinions. I think I give credit to Gen Z for, I mean, on paper they're the most progressive generation that's ever existed in terms of their views on sexuality in terms of their views on race in terms of their views on gender. So in terms of their actual political opinions, they're largely moving to the left in a way that's very encouraging. But I think because of the Internet and the ways in which anything you say can be misconstrued or anything you say can be used in service of an argument that you don't agree with unless you front loaded with all of these other things. I don't mean this. I don't mean that or I like Kanye, but only in this specific context. And it's easier in a lot of ways to just have a very strong, fully black and white opinion rather than engage in what is a lot of gray area, even though I would say the best pop culture comes out of that great area. That's why we're here, I think. Exactly. That's why I'm here. Yeah. But a lot of it also comes down to what I describe as the brand ification of everything. There's this the moment we're in kind of demands for everyone to be an influencer. In a way we're all, I would say celebrities and waiting in a way that has never existed before. You'll see people go viral. Not only for anything they post it online, because someone decided to take a video of them in public. And make a story about them, and it goes viral. You'll see people say, I saw the cutest date and now I need to find them again so that they can have a beautiful relationship that I can watch play out because everything is content. It's not necessarily analysis or opinion. It's something to be sold or something against which ads can be sold exactly. It's all data. It's all places where we can put ads. And advertisement only works if things are safe. And so in that way, I think people are really shifting their content in a way that eventually should they decide to get sponsored. Should they get sponsors? There's nothing objectionable. And even when people don't want to be influencers, that is voiced upon them. I know a lot of people who love to post cooking content. And they're just documenting it for themselves on the platform that all their friends use that everyone is using, but everyone in the comments is like, where's the recipe? Or why didn't you tell me how to make this? Or why did you do it this way? Or why are you doing all of this? And it's like this person is living their life. They are not like a dictionary from which you can pull all these resources. But there's this expectation that if you post online, you are doing it to be viewed rather than you're doing it because of something we all do in the same way that you would write in a diary. Yeah. And I think this matters because we grew up online in a very tender way. When I talked to you all day, I kind of knew you because you were a board kid in a way I know. Like a way of enjoying things that's like in a tender way where you just let it flow, like the informations and the rabbit hole of it all and like diving into the research and connecting with people on this nerdy detail and I feel like that is so important to be able to also have doubt and not knowing how to socially behave with the thing you're engaging with. Also making mistakes, missteps, not knowing the right way to talk about stuff. I would hate for my show to be a place where people don't think they can talk about stuff. They are not quite sure about yet. I feel like trying to figure out what we're talking about is also what the appeal of doing a podcast. Not really knowing why we're here. It's also the appeal of doing a podcast and being online. For me, those things are intertwined. They fit into each other, like I don't quite know. I'm surviving with the feeling of intriguing Paul and just being obsessed with something that's mirroring a lot of things I haven't quite finished in myself like psychologically. It's therapy in a way to deal with pop culture in the way we do. But it becomes sometimes for other people a manual of what's the thing. What's the thing? What's the thing that's going on that's right or wrong. And I feel like I have to slowly humanize it and actually go counter journalists and not be and really make sure that people are understand it's subjectivity that's my angle and not objectivity that's my angle because in opinion writing and analysis, I find it very important right now to have the gray areas knowing why you're here and that for me is a class with TikTok culture in a way that makes me maybe so that's why I'm trying some lean in it for you. I mean I kind of think of it in the same way that a lot of TikTok culture has made by children and I mean remember when you were a teenager, I definitely had some hot takes. Some takes that weren't great. And I don't think I was great dealing with nuance either like I just this dried and see of youth is you think that you know how the world works. And that's really inspiring to see in a lot of ways and that Gen Z is very clear about what is right and what is wrong. And a lot of the things I think are wrong are in fact wrong and they're calling it out in a way and never has been before. But we're watching them grow up in public is what's happening and that's never happened before because usually when teenagers are covered in other generations and like the 80s or even the 50s when the term teenager was created, it was all mediated through an adult. It was mediated through a journalist. It was them describing what was happening. And Rolling Stone magazine. Exactly. These journalists who looked at Beatles fans and called them screaming masses of stupid children. That would never happen today because those same children can just post about it themselves. But I don't necessarily think that we as adults are meant to engage this much with what teenagers are doing. And I don't think teenagers are necessarily meant to have their thoughts criticized in the way that they are. There are so many times on Twitter where absolute batshit tweet goes crazy. It's a terrible tweet. But you look at the account and it's a 14 year old. Yes. And there's no, it's so easy not to argue with children online. And just don't do it. Don't do it. So many people. Exactly. No, yeah. And it's because the Internet flattens everyone thinks that you're on the same level, but you're not. And it really behooves people to step back and think about who you're arguing with, and if it's worth it. Interesting. That was good for me, so here. You don't have to pay attention to what children are doing online. I actually think that people we could stand to pay a lot less attention to what children are doing online. And I say that as someone who talks a lot about what kids are doing online. And my show is often a lot of teachers listen to my show and parents listen to my show and they use it to keep up with what their kids are doing. But I don't know, I'm glad my mom didn't pay attention to what I was doing when I was younger. I'm glad my mom didn't know what I was doing on tumblr. Yeah. Oh my God. I'm so glad she didn't know what I was interested in, not because it was necessarily the worst thing in the world, but because she didn't understand and then she didn't need to. And because TikTok is so accessible to us because we're all using the same platforms and way that's never existed before in human history. We feel like we need to analyze what's in front of us when a lot of times you could just chalk it up to youth and ignore it. And by the way, honestly, thank you all so much for allowing me to not be on television. However, much like a TV show, we do need to take a short break. We'll be back in just a minute. Hi y'all, if you love our podcast, then please consider subscribing to sleep plus. When you subscribe to sleep plus, you get no ads on any sleep podcast. You'll be supporting the show. I see why my would not be possible without the support of sleep plus subscribers. You'll also get bonus segments or episodes on shows like slow burn, amicus, mom and dad are fighting and dear prudence, you will also get unlimited reading on the slate website, which means you get access to every single article and advice column on slate without ever hitting the pay wall. Just visit sleep dot com slash ICI my plus sign up that is sleep dot com slash ICI plus. Before you all go, I want to let you know about virtual event that I'm participating in. It's called confronting digital blackface and it is a live YouTube event hosted by the 19th news. It takes place on Thursday, march 30th at 7 30 p.m. if you're listening to this show on Wednesday, march 29th. That's tomorrow. My co panelist is trustee macmillan cotton. Everyone's favorite sociologist and New York Times author. We're gonna explain digital blackface and how to know it when you see it. Why it's harmful to black women and LGBTQ+ people and what we can all do to make social media a better place for women of color. You can find details and links in 19th news dot org slash events. Help to see all there. And I'm back with Lucie and Copenhagen. I also kind of promised people here showing up that you would come give us like maybe an example of a nice balance in ways to get the best out of the TikTok app without engaging with children. But like in a way like how would you go about not being on TikTok but getting the best out of its existence if it's not going to be banned everywhere? What's your best recommendation for engaging with TikTok without engaging too much with TikTok as the ulsters online? Or maybe just people young people don't want to deal with it. Yeah. I don't know if it's possible I'm going to be completely honest. I think so much of TikTok exists on other platforms. If you're on Twitter or on Instagram, you see a lot of tiktoks regardless because Instagram reels are just TikTok and then people post them all over Twitter. Maybe even on tumblr at this point. So you will see tiktoks and you'll see the ones that are kind of the most curated version of it. But a lot of TikTok also exists within the platform, the comment section on TikTok is maybe one of the most important things about the app and you don't get that unless you're on the app. I think that if you don't want to be on TikTok then you just have to commit to not being on TikTok in the same way that I'm like I don't understand sports and I never will and I know that I'm missing out on a huge portion of culture because I made that choice. Cool. I'm sorry. So I just disappointed. Yeah, I'm so sorry. I actually feel comfortable with this information. It makes more people feel better. That you don't have to be on TikTok. I don't want to. Yeah. I just don't want to do it. That is so fair. Thank you. Thank you for setting me free. You're welcome to be old and has been. I mean, I think TikTok is having its moment right now, but I think, again, in the same way that Twitter is broken and Facebook is boomer and MySpace who I miss. I love yes. And putting a song, so which song did you have on this space? This is going to be embarrassing. Do you know my chemical romance? Yes. I thought it was my enemy culture. I'm not okay. No. Yeah, I don't know. Just think of an angsty teenager putting the song I'm not okay by my chemical romance. On their profile and you will understand the vibe I was giving on. Okay. So you and me, we would have a problem. I think we would have had a big. I was a punk. Oh, I was a poser. I was an email. I was a pop. Everyone saw it was the same. It's not the same at all. Oh, you're one of those emo kids. No, no, no, no, no. I look at me. Female kids. I'm not emo. It was a big deal for me. Yeah, that's fair. To try and provide distant myself from my chemical romance. But I think I would have enjoyed it. I think you would enjoy it now. I'm gonna be honest the music is pretty good. I still like it. Paramore? Phenomenal. I could just not. But not. Now you can. Because now I'm a free person a little pop culture Eric. Exactly. We love the gray area. There's no wrong or wrong, wrong or right, but then I was like, I was harsh. Oh, I was the same way except I was just convinced I wasn't a poser, but now I know that I will. Now I'm aware. I'm fully aware. Okay. Yes. It was, I think we need to I know there are songs now on Instagram, but it makes it stressful. Because you will have on a podcast like I see why am I and having a good time listening to the podcast, and then you will stroll. Yeah, you're hitting the face with comfort by Beyoncé. Song will just like ruin everything for you. In a very different volume than the podcast. Yes. So I feel like no sounds on social media. You just wouldn't know sounds on social media. I want to choose. I don't want to be surprised. Yeah, I like being surprised back then, but now it gives me headache. That is fair. I really don't think you'd like TikTok. No, I'm not going to do it. I feel everything you're saying makes me feel like you're constitutionally averse to TikTok as a concept. There's a lot of surprises. There's a lot of loud music. Okay. I think I just came here to be relieved. Oh, I love to do that for people. Just not having to engage. You don't have to. Yeah, I mean, also TikTok is so young at this point. I think we're 2023. It's four years old really in terms of its popularity. I would give it at least another two years before we start actually thinking that it's inescapable. We will be taking another short break afterwards, we'll be hearing some audience questions. This podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Most of you listening right now are probably multitasking. Yep, while you're listening, you're probably also driving, cleaning, exercising, or maybe even grocery shopping. But if you're not in some kind of moving vehicle, there's something else you can be doing right now, which is getting an auto quote from Progressive Insurance. 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"Would write in a diary. Yeah. And I think this matters because we grew up online in a very tender way. When I talked to you all day, I kind of knew you because you were a board kid in a way I know. Like a way of enjoying things that's like in a tender way where you just let it flow, like the informations and the rabbit hole of it all and like diving into the research and connecting with people on this nerdy detail and I feel like that is so important to be able to also have doubt and not knowing how to socially behave with the thing you're engaging with. Also making mistakes, missteps, not knowing the right way to talk about stuff. I would hate for my show to be a place where people don't think they can talk about stuff. They're not quite sure about yet. I feel like trying to figure out what we're talking about is also what the appeal of doing a podcast. Not really knowing why we're here. It's also the appeal of doing a podcast and being online. For me, those things are intertwined. They fit into each other, like the, I don't quite know. I'm surviving with the feeling of intriguing Paul and just being obsessed with something that's mirroring a lot of things I haven't quite finished in myself like psychologically. It's therapy in a way to deal with pop culture in the way we do. But it becomes sometimes for other people a manual of what's to think. What's the thing? What's the thing that's going on that's right or wrong. And I feel like I have to slowly humanize it and actually go counter journalists and not be and really make sure that people understand it's subjectivity that's my angle and not objectivity that's my angle because in opinion writing and analysis, I find it very important right now to have the gray areas knowing why you're here and that for me is a class with TikTok culture in a way that makes me maybe so that's why I'm trying some lean in it. For you. I mean, I kind of think of it in the same way that a lot of TikTok culture has made by children. And I mean, remember when you were a teenager, I definitely had some hot takes. Some takes that weren't great. And I don't think I was great dealing with nuance. I just this dried and see of youth is you think that you know how the world works. And that's really inspiring to see in a lot of ways and that Gen Z is very clear about what is right and what is wrong. And a lot of the things I think are wrong are in fact wrong and they're calling it out in a way it never has been before. But we're watching them grow up in public is what's happening and that's never happened before because usually when teenagers are covered in other generations and like the 80s or even the 50s when the term teenager was created, it was all mediated through an adult. It was mediated through a journalist. It was them describing what was happening. And Rolling Stone magazine. Exactly. These journalists who looked at Beatles fans and called them screaming masses of stupid children. That would never happen today because those same children can just post about it themselves. But I don't necessarily think that we as adults are meant to engage this much with what teenagers are doing and I don't think teenagers are necessarily meant to have their thoughts criticized in the way that they are. There are so many times on Twitter where absolute batshit tweet goes crazy. It's a terrible tweet. But you look at the account and it's a 14 year old. Yes. And there's no, it's so easy not to argue with children online. And yet just don't do it. Don't do it. So many people don't know it. Exactly. No, yeah. And it's because the Internet flattens everyone thinks that you're on the same level, but you're not, and it really behooves people to step back and think about who you're arguing with, and if it's worth it. Interesting. That was good for me to hear. You don't have to pay attention to what children are doing online. I actually think that people we could stand to pay a lot less attention to what children are doing online. And I say that as someone who talks a lot about what kids are doing online. And my show is often a lot of teachers listen to my show and parents listen to my show and they use it to keep up with what their kids are doing. But I don't know, I'm glad my mom didn't pay attention to what I was doing when I was younger. I'm glad my mom didn't know what I was doing on tumblr. Yeah. Oh my God. I'm so glad she didn't know what I was interested in, not because it was necessarily the worst thing in the world, but because she didn't understand and then she didn't need to. And because TikTok is so accessible to us because we're all using the same platforms and way that's never existed before in human history. We feel like we need to analyze what's in front of us when a lot of times you could just chalk it up to youth and ignore it. And by the way, honestly, thank you all so much for allowing me to not be on television. However, much like a TV show, we do need to take a short break. We'll be back in just a minute. Hi y'all, if you love our podcast, then please consider subscribing to sleep plus. When you subscribe to sleep plus, you get no ads on any slate podcasts. You'll be supporting the show. I see why my would not be possible without the support of sleep plus subscribers. You'll also get bonus segments or episodes on shows like slow burn, amicus, mom and dad are fighting and dear prudence. You will also get unlimited reading on the slave website, which means you get access to every single article and advice column on slate without ever hitting the pay wall. Just visit sleep dot com slash I see why my plus sign up that is sleep dot com slash ICI my plus. Before you all go, I want to let you know about a virtual event that I'm participating in. It's called confronting digital blackface and it is a live YouTube event hosted by the 19th news. It takes place on Thursday, march 30th at 7 30 p.m., if you're listening to this show on Wednesday, march 29th, that's tomorrow. My co panelist is tressy macmillan cotton. Everyone's favorite sociologist and New York Times author. We're gonna explain digital blackface and how to know it when you see it. Why it's harmful to black women and LGBTQ+ people and what we can all do to make social media a better place for women of color. You can find details and links in 19th news dot org slash events. I hope to see you all there. And I'm back with Lucie
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"Online and interacting with people in a free and goofy and insecure way that you have to be very secure. So I see a lot of, this is how it works when I look at TikTok videos. This is like a tutorial vibe. Which reminds me two months of the parental advisory sticker. So what do you, what's your feelings about the whole maybe we're repeating a part of conservative history in the free liberal alternative feminist conscious realm of podcasting and TikTok and having conversations about culture because I feel like there's like a big conflict in me with that weird conservative reenactment of Reagan and the way people edit themselves in their opinions. I think I give credit to Gen Z for, I mean, on paper they're the most progressive generation that's ever existed in terms of their views on sexuality in terms of their views on race in terms of their views on gender. So in terms of their actual political opinions, they're largely moving to the left in a way that's very encouraging. But I think because of the Internet and the ways in which anything you say can be misconstrued or anything you say can be used in service of an argument that you don't agree with unless you front loaded with all of these other things. I don't mean this. I don't mean that or I like Kanye, but only in this specific context. And it's easier in a lot of ways to just have a very strong, fully black and white opinion rather than engage in what is a lot of gray area, even though I would say the best pop culture comes out of that great area. That's why we're here, I think. Exactly. That's why I'm here. Yeah. But a lot of it also comes down to what I describe as the brand ification of everything. There's this the moment we're in kind of demands for everyone to be an influencer. In a way we're all, I would say celebrities and waiting in a way that has never existed before. You'll see people go viral. Not only for anything they post it online, because someone decided to take a video of them in public. And make a story about them, and it goes viral. You'll see people say, I saw the cutest date and now I need to find them again so that they can have a beautiful relationship that I can watch play out because everything is content. It's not necessarily analysis or opinion. It's something to be sold or something against which ads can be sold exactly. It's all data. It's all places where we can put ads. And advertisement only works if things are safe. And so in that way, I think people are really shifting their content in a way that eventually should they decide to get sponsored. Should they get sponsors? There's nothing objectionable. And even when people don't want to be influencers, that is voiced upon them. I know a lot of people who love to post cooking content. And they're just documenting it for themselves on the platform that all their friends use that everyone is using, but everyone in the comments is like, where's the recipe? Or why didn't you tell me how to make this? Or why did you do it this way? Or why are you doing all of this? And it's like this person is living their life. They are not like a dictionary from which you can pull all these resources. But there's this expectation that if you post online, you are doing it to be viewed rather than you're doing it because of something we all do in the same way that you would write in a diary. Yeah. And I think this matters because we grew up online in a very tender way. When I talked to you all day, I kind of knew you because you were a board kid in a way I know. Like a way of enjoying things that's like in a tender way where you just let it flow, like the informations and the rabbit hole of it all and like diving into the research and connecting with people on this nerdy detail and I feel like that is so important to be able to also have doubt and not knowing how to socially behave with the thing you're engaging with. Also making mistakes, missteps, not knowing the right way to talk about stuff. I would hate for my show to be a place where people don't think they can talk about stuff. They are not quite sure about yet. I feel like trying to figure out what we're talking about is also what the appeal of doing a podcast. Not really knowing why we're here. It's also the appeal of doing a podcast and being online. For me, those things are intertwined. They fit into each other, like I don't quite know. I'm surviving with the feeling of intriguing Paul and just being obsessed with something that's mirroring a lot of things I haven't quite finished in myself like psychologically. It's therapy in a way to deal with pop culture in the way we do. But it becomes sometimes for other people a manual of what's the thing. What's the thing? What's the thing that's going on that's right or wrong. And I feel like I have to slowly humanize it and actually go counter journalists and not be and really make sure that people are understand it's subjectivity that's my angle and not objectivity that's my angle because in opinion writing and analysis, I find it very important right now to have the gray areas knowing why you're here and that for me is a class with TikTok culture in a way that makes me maybe so that's why I'm trying some lean in it for you. I mean I kind of think of it in the same way that a lot of TikTok culture has made by children and I mean remember when you were a teenager, I definitely had some hot takes. Some takes that weren't great. And I don't think I was great dealing with nuance either like I just this dried and see of youth is you think that you know how the world works. And that's really inspiring to see in a lot of ways and that Gen Z is very clear about what is right and what is wrong. And a lot of the things I think are wrong are in fact wrong and they're calling it out in a way and never has been before. But we're watching them grow up in public is what's happening and that's never happened before because usually when teenagers are covered in other generations and like the 80s or even the 50s when the term teenager was created, it was all mediated through an adult. It was mediated through a journalist. It was them describing what was happening. And Rolling Stone magazine. Exactly. These journalists who looked at Beatles fans and called them screaming masses of stupid children. That would never happen today because those same children can just post about it themselves. But I don't necessarily think that we as adults are meant to engage this much with what teenagers are doing. And I don't think teenagers are necessarily meant to have their thoughts criticized in the way that they are. There are so many times on Twitter where absolute batshit tweet goes crazy. It's a terrible tweet. But you look at the account and it's a 14 year old. Yes. And there's no, it's so easy not to argue with children online. And just don't do it. Don't do it. So many people. Exactly. No, yeah. And it's because the Internet flattens everyone thinks that you're on the same level, but you're not. And it really behooves people to step back and think about who you're arguing with, and if
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"Well to actual criticism. Though people are trying, but people get bored. The point of TikTok is to hook you in within the first 30 seconds. Okay. And I feel like we're both podcast hosts in a very specific era of cultural wars and cultural divide and people calling things woke all the time. And a very overwhelming feeling of people wanting answers for what they can do and not do. And what's appropriate and what's not appropriate. And we talked about that walking in the sun in Copenhagen. Those brief moments of gorgeous son, we talked about what that means right now, what kind of like so I was wondering about TikTok and does that vibe spill into that too, like the cultural divide right now, how does that affect the young generation there, how do they respond to this time we're in with a feeling of arguments that will never end? Yeah. How is that affecting that social media do you think? I think it's making people a lot more scared in a way. I don't like to really engage in the conduct of the cancel culture because I think a lot of it is just called consequences for your actions, which a lot of people have never experienced, but there is, I think, a real sense of fear in a lot of really young people that at any given moment, a TikTok you made for your Friends that will appear on their feed because they follow you can also end up appearing on the feed of 20 million people worldwide. And I don't know about you, but if my 14 year old thoughts were being shared with the potential to be shared with millions of people, I would love. Yeah. Exactly. A lot of these kids are growing up in public in a way that even though we spent time online, we had communities that we chose to be a part of. On tumblr, you chose who you followed. On Facebook, you chose where your Friends on Instagram you chose you follow TikTok is the first app that is purely algorithm based where you're experience is not dictated at all by who you follow. It's dictated by all these micro measures of interest. So even if you hate something, if you watch to the end, you're going to be shown more of that. So people get stuck in these holes. And what that means is that oftentimes things that have the most engagement have the most engagement because they're being hated on, which means that you can have a video go viral for all the worst reasons. And I think that really affects how a lot of people grow up and that they're trying to have the safest opinion possible. And not only happens when there's no nuance. The safest opinion possible, I find that so interesting because what scares me about doing a podcast and this site guys is people asking me, so can I listen to Kanye West? Like in my DM to me for an answer for what they can do. And I talked to you about this. I feel like in the 80s, you had the Reagan era. You had the sticker on CDs called parental advisory that said, this is bad music with devil worshiping and bad, bad behavior. And I feel like maybe we're diving into the Reagan with the oh, you can't do that. You can't. Nope, I'm not going to listen to that. I'm not going to engage with this. I'm going to leave the dance floor with the whole editing where you can and when you can't be in where you can't be seems to me a way that racist nuance and doubt and curiosity which is a part of the appeal of pop culture and being online and interacting with people in a free and goofy and insecure way that you have to be very secure. So I see a lot of, this is how it works when I look at TikTok videos. This is like a tutorial vibe. Which reminds me too much of the parental advisory sticker. So what do you, what's your feelings about the whole, maybe we're repeating a part of conservative history in the free liberal alternative feminist conscious realm of podcasting and TikTok and having conversations about culture because I feel like there's a big conflict in me with that weird conservative reenactment of Reagan and the way people edit themselves in their opinions. I think I give credit to Gen Z for, I mean, on paper they're the most progressive generation that's ever existed in terms of their views on sexuality in terms of their views on race in terms of their views on gender. So in terms of their actual political opinions, they're largely moving to the left in a way that's very encouraging. But I think because of the Internet and the ways in which anything you say can be misconstrued or anything you say can be used in service of an argument that you don't agree with unless you front loaded with all of these other things. I don't mean this. I don't mean that. We're like, I like Kanye, but only in this specific context. And it's easier in a lot of ways to just have a very strong, fully black and white opinion rather than engage in what is a lot of gray area, even though I would say the best pop culture comes out of that great area. That's why we're here, I think. Exactly. That's why I'm here. Yeah. But a lot of it also comes down to what I describe as the brand ification of everything. There's this the moment we're in kind of demands for everyone to be an influencer in a way we're all, I would say celebrities and waiting in a way that has never existed before. You'll see people go viral. Not only for anything, they post it online because someone decided to take a video of them in public and make a story about them and it goes viral. You'll see people say, I saw the cutest date and now I need to find them again so that they can have a beautiful relationship that I can watch play out because everything is content. It's not necessarily analysis or opinion. It's something to be sold or something against which ads can be exactly. It's all data, it's all places where we can put ads. And advertisement only works if things are safe. And so in that way, I think people are really shifting their content in a way that eventually should they decide to get sponsored. Should they get sponsors? There's nothing objectionable. And even when people don't want to be influencers, that is foisted upon them. I know a lot of people who love to post cooking content. And they're just documenting it for themselves on the platform that all their friends use that everyone is using, but everyone in the comments is like, where's the recipe? Or why didn't you tell me how to make this? Or why did you do it this way? Or why are you doing all of this? And it's like, this person is living their life. They are not like a dictionary from which you can pull all these resources. But there's this expectation that if you post online, you are doing it to be viewed rather than you're doing it because it's something we all do in the same way that you
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"copenhagen" Discussed on The Secret History of the Future
"Mode through which people under the age of 26 interact with the Internet. And that is a really huge shift in that most other platforms from Facebook to Twitter to even Instagram, which all have image capabilities, but not necessarily aren't image dominant. Are kind of their aid trying to keep up with TikTok, what the way Instagram works now is very algorithmic size, which TikTok perfected. But it means that we are kind of facing head on what people look like in a way that we never have before, and how they interact with the world. And it's supposed to be a more authentic mode, but it ends up kind of encouraging a very specific type of behavior. You can almost tell if someone spends a lot of time on TikTok just based on how they talk. There are certain phrases and mannerisms. I'm trying to think of one right now that isn't completely embarrassing. If you've listened to this is a song with Doja Cat, there's a sound in the middle of it. And if you're on TikTok, you go like this, which you put your hand out like this at the specific moment. And if you see someone do that during that song, you know that they spend a lot of time on TikTok. So it's one of those things where when you're in the know you're in the know, I can't say that you don't need to be on TikTok, but I understand why people aren't on TikTok. It's very overwhelming. It takes a while for the algorithm to really figure out who you are. So the first, I would say month is kind of like if you've never had chocolate cake before and suddenly you're allowed to have chocolate cake every single day. Yeah. Yeah, the overwhelming thing is for me the reason why I'm not like the feeling of total digital overwhelming being overwhelmed digitally is why I can't go in there and become like sunken into the place. I have some hope that TikTok in a way is what early Internet culture was because you have like board culture when I talk with my husband's little brother, he's like into a lot of nerdy stuff on TikTok the way I was into nerdy boards on early Reddit soil of kind of bored Internet sites in like 2004 to one. So it seems like there's also like a throwback element of all the things that all of us who are a little too old for TikTok can maybe find some similarities in the rabbit hole appeal like if you're really into FX twin. There's I've heard a big fandom about him and nerd culture about him and his music. Yeah. So that's really interesting. So here that there's an element of nostalgia there too. Some people always also looking back there and not just ahead. Yeah, do you feel like I definitely do a lot of time TikTok tends to retread things that if you've been on the Internet before, you're like, oh, sweet summer child, you're finally figuring this out. So there's fan fiction on TikTok. There's a video fan fiction. People edit themselves into the world of Harry Potter or twilight or of shadow and bone or of Stranger Things. There are a lot of fandoms on TikTok in a way that feels like tumblr, but doesn't quite, there's not the same level I would say of analysis necessarily just because you can only say so much, really. I mean, it's our job to talk a lot, but I feel like the video format doesn't necessarily lend itself well to actual criticism. The people are trying, but people get bored. The point of TikTok is the hook you in within the first 30 seconds. Okay. And I feel like we're both podcast hosts in a very specific era of cultural wars and cultural divide and people calling things woke all the time. And a very overwhelming feeling of people wanting answers for what they can do and not do. And what's appropriate and what's not appropriate. And we talked about that walking in the sun in Copenhagen, those brief moments of gorgeous son. We talked about what that means right now what kind of like so I was wondering about TikTok and does that vibe spill into that too, like the cultural divide right now, how does that affect the young generation there, how do they respond to this time we're in with a feeling of arguments that will never end? Yeah. How is that affecting that social media, do you think? I think it's making people a lot more scared in a way. To really engage in the content of the cancel culture because I think a lot of it is just called consequences for your actions, which a lot of people have never experienced, but there is, I think, a real sense of fear in a lot of really young people that at any given moment, a TikTok you made for your Friends that will appear on their feed because they follow you can also end up appearing on the feed of 20 million people worldwide. And I don't know about you, but if my 14 year old thoughts were being shared with the potential to be shared with millions of people, I would, I can love. Yeah. Exactly. A lot of these kids are growing up in public in a way that even though we spent time online, we had communities that we chose to be a part of. On tumblr, you chose who you followed on Facebook, you chose where your Friends on Instagram you chose to follow TikTok is the first app that is purely algorithm based where you're experience is not dictated at all by who you follow. It's dictated by all these micro measures of interest. So even if you hate something, if you watch to the end, you're going to be shown more of that. So people get stuck in these holes. And what that means is that oftentimes things that have the most engagement have the most engagement because they're being hated on, which means that you can have a video go viral for all the worst reasons. And I think that really affects how a lot of people grow up and that they're trying to have the safest opinion possible. And not only happens when there's no nuance. The safest opinion possible. I find that so interesting because what scares me about doing a podcast and this site does is people asking me, so can I listen to Kanye West? Like in my DM for coming to me for an answer for what they can do. And I talked to you about this. I feel like in the 80s, you had the Reagan era. You had the sticker on CDs called parental advisory that said, this is bad music with devil worshiping and bad, bad behavior. And I feel like maybe we're diving into the Reagan with the oh, you can't do that. Oh, you can't. Nope, I'm not going to listen to that. I'm not going to engage with this. And I'm going to leave the dance floor with the whole editing where you can and not when you can't be in where you can't be. It seems to me a way that racist nuance and doubt and curiosity, which is a part of the appeal of pop culture. And being
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"copenhagen" Discussed on The Secret History of the Future
"Ish era. Yeah, and what kind of interaction with social media did you have at that time? What kind of landscape do you think you were like a part of? At that time. So primarily fandom is the way that I interacted with the Internet. I think I am a person who just interacts with things through kind of incoherent love. When I love something I want to know everything about it, I want to look at the gifts that see these minute interactions. I want to know what the actor was thinking when he was filming that scene. I want to see what other people are thinking about this. I just want to know that feeling when you're just going to be 13 and you were listening to Beyoncé and just screaming with your Friends. I want that feeling but online. And so that was most of the reason I would go online was to look at the things I was interested in the time which were shows like Supernatural, which is kind of embarrassing. One direction, which is also really embarrassing. I'm just embarrassing myself right now. But all these things that I love as an adolescent and just really wanted to know everything I possibly could about them. I feel that it was way of escaping, only having to hang out with people from school. And having all the people from your dream schoolyard who are interested at the same topics as you are. And just being able to speak to them in Italy speak to them in Mississippi, have interaction with people who are not at the same place at you, but mentally they are. And phantom wise they are. So also, I had a very subcultural teenage era where I was into punk music and alternative rock and just like a movie freak. So also into like a lot of fandom also into a lot of fan fiction and stuff like that. So my space, but also earlier Scandinavian places like Luna storm, there was like a sweetest social media that spilled into Denmark where you could have a diary, people could follow. So people could like, subscribe to your diary. Which is like incredible and also terrifying. Terrifying idea. I'm happy it's not even on anything right now. Yeah. But it felt important to have readers. Yeah. Who could like all the things you should have to say? And we're like there for it. Yeah. And I feel like I haven't quite gotten rid of that part of me that wants to write diary on live. I mean, look at what we're doing. This message is brought to you by discover. Did you know you could have reduced the number of unwanted calls and emails with online privacy protection. The latest innovation from discover. Discover will help regularly remove your personal information like your name and address from ten popular people search websites that could sell your data. And they'll do it for free. Activate in the discover app. See terms and learn more at discovered dot com slash online privacy protection. You may know Kelly ripa from hosting the live with Kelly and Ryan show for the last 20 years. Now you can get to know her in a whole new way by listening to her podcast. Let's talk off camera with Kelly ripa. This weekly podcast will transport you inside the unfiltered mind of Kelly ripa. In each episode, Kelly will dive deep into her life and candidly discuss her marriage, motherhood career, and how she manages to juggle it all in the public eye. Kelly will talk about everything she can never see on camera. It will be unfiltered and deep but most of all, it's gonna be fun. Joined by a rotating group of friends like Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson, Kelly dives deep into a wide range of topics. They'll talk about everything from crazy fitness trends to sex tips all with humor, heart and tenacity. So whether you're a longtime Kelly fan or just looking for a great new show, this podcast is perfect for you. Listen to let's talk off camera with Kelly ripa every Wednesday on Apple stitcher or ravioli in a podcast. Yeah. I feel like podcasting is all the incidents folds. Yeah. I think too much to say. And no one in your life actually wanting to hear it. So you say it's a bunch of strangers. Yes. This is why it's also weird for us to be here at a stage. Looking at people's faces. Because the appeal of a podcast is being able to hide. But still have a lot to say, exactly. Yeah. But being able to hide it. It's the freedom of not having to be on television. Freedom of being able to be on, yeah, I feel it. And also, I ask you about growing up online because there's this feeling right now of me growing old online. I have this feeling that I have been young online. I have been middle aged online and now I feel like I'm growing old on entering boomer and I'm answering. I don't think you're quite there. In a way that's like, I don't have a TikTok account. I don't actually know what's going on on that app besides what people tell me is going on on that app in your podcast. Yeah. And I don't know what Twitch is. I don't know what anything is. I have no idea what anything is anymore. Yeah. I know what Instagram is. Which feels boomer. Which feels like the new Facebook. I think boomer is Facebook. The Uber still on Instagram. You're okay. You're okay. Okay, yeah, no. You're so far with it. But I have invited people here on the pretense of you being able to disguise for us what we're missing out on. If we're growing old online and can't seem to find our way into the TikTok thing, so what is the moment of TikTok for you right now there is this whole debate in America if it's even going to be an American anymore. But what is the importance of TikTok for you and people you're generation? Yeah, that's a really big question. I will say that I consider myself a millennial Gen Z cusp. I was born the last year that you can be old millennial on the first year. You can be a gym a part of Gen Z so I think TikTok means a lot more to people about 5 to 7 years younger than me. I was actually kind of a late adopter of TikTok. TikTok was really big. In 2019, 2020, which is when it was actually kind of subcultural when it was actually fully youth culture. Now everyone and their mom is on TikTok. They're actually a lot of moms on TikTok. Kim Kardashian is with her kids. So Gordon Ramsay's on TikTok with his kid. Yeah, yeah, it's really become, I think, the dominant
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"Era. Yeah, and what kind of interaction with social media did you have at that time? What kind of landscape do you think you were like a part of? At that time. So primarily fandom is the way that I interacted with the Internet. I think I am a person who just interacts with things through kind of incoherent love. When I love something I want to know everything about it, I want to look at the gifts that see these minute interactions. I want to know what the actor was thinking when he was filming that scene. I want to see what other people are thinking about this. I just want to know that feeling when you're just going to be 13 and you were listening to Beyoncé and just screaming with your Friends. I want that feeling but online. And so that was most of the reason I would go online was to look at the things I was interested in the time which were shows like Supernatural, which is kind of embarrassing. One direction, which is also really embarrassing. I'm just embarrassing myself right now. But all these things that I love as an adolescent and just really wanted to know everything I possibly could about them. I feel that it was way of escaping, only having to hang out with people from school. And having all the people from your dream schoolyard who are interested at the same topics as you are. And just being able to speak to them in Italy speak to them in Mississippi, have interaction with people who are not at the same place at you, but mentally they are. And phantom wise they are. So also, I had a very subcultural teenage era where I was into punk music and alternative rock and just like a movie freak. So also into like a lot of fandom also into a lot of fan fiction and stuff like that. So my space, but also earlier Scandinavian places like Luna storm, there was like a sweetest social media that spilled into Denmark where you could have a diary, people could follow. So people could like, subscribe to your diary. Which is like incredible and also terrifying. Terrifying idea. I'm happy it's not even on anything right now. Yeah. But it felt important to have readers. Yeah. Who could like all the things you should have to say? And we're like there for it. Yeah. And I feel like I haven't quite gotten rid of that part of me that wants to write diary on live. I mean, look at what we're doing. This message is brought to you by discover. Did you know you could have reduced the number of unwanted calls and emails with online privacy protection. The latest innovation from discover. Discover will help regularly remove your personal information like your name and address from ten popular people search websites that could sell your data. And they'll do it for free. Activate in the discover app. See terms and learn more at discovered dot com slash online privacy protection. You may know Kelly ripa from hosting the live with Kelly and Ryan show for the last 20 years. Now you can get to know her in a whole new way by listening to her podcast. Let's talk off camera with Kelly ripa. This weekly podcast will transport you inside the unfiltered mind of Kelly ripa. In each episode, Kelly will dive deep into her life and candidly discuss her marriage, motherhood career, and how she manages to juggle it all in the public eye. Kelly will talk about everything she can never see on camera. It will be unfiltered and deep but most of all, it's gonna be fun. Joined by a rotating group of friends like Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson, Kelly dives deep into a wide range of topics. They'll talk about everything from crazy fitness trends to sex tips all with humor, heart and tenacity. So whether you're a longtime Kelly fan or just looking for a great new show, this podcast is perfect for you. Listen to let's talk off camera with Kelly ripa every Wednesday on Apple stitcher or ravioli in a podcast. Yeah. I feel like podcasting is all the incidents folds. Yeah. I think too much to say. And no one in your life actually wanting to hear it. So you say it's a bunch of strangers. Yes. This is why it's also weird for us to be here at a stage. Looking at people's faces. Because the appeal of a podcast is being able to hide. But still have a lot to say, exactly. Yeah. But being able to hide it. It's the freedom of not having to be on television. Freedom of being able to be on, yeah, I feel it. And also, I ask you about growing up online because there's this feeling right now of me growing old online. I have this feeling that I have been young online. I have been middle aged online and now I feel like I'm growing old on entering boomer and I'm answering. I don't think you're quite there. In a way that's like, I don't have a TikTok account. I don't actually know what's going on on that app besides what people tell me is going on on that app in your podcast. Yeah. And I don't know what Twitch is. I don't know what anything is. I have no idea what anything is anymore. Yeah. I know what Instagram is. Which feels boomer. Which feels like the new Facebook. I think boomer is Facebook. The Uber still on Instagram. You're okay. You're okay. Okay, yeah, no. You're so far with it. But I have invited people here on the pretense of you being able to disguise for us what we're missing out on. If we're growing old online and can't seem to find our way into the TikTok thing, so what is the moment of TikTok for you right now there is this whole debate in America if it's even going to be an American anymore. But what is the importance of TikTok for you and people you're generation? Yeah, that's a really big question. I will say that I consider myself a millennial Gen Z cusp. I was born the last year that you can be old millennial on the first year. You can be a gym a part of Gen Z so I think TikTok means a lot more to people about 5 to 7 years younger than me. I was actually kind of a late adopter of TikTok. TikTok was really big. In 2019, 2020, which is when it was actually kind of subcultural when it was actually fully youth culture. Now everyone and their mom is on TikTok. They're actually a lot of moms on TikTok. Kim Kardashian is with her kids. So Gordon Ramsay's on TikTok with his kid. Yeah, yeah, it's really become, I think, the dominant
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"copenhagen" Discussed on The Secret History of the Future
"In the site guys. So when you do this program, how do you find a topic for it? How do you deal with the enormity of what's going on in the world and pick something to them, tell people about to keep them up to speed? Well, it's very easy. There's definitely no issues. We never wonder what we're covering. That's a lie. I'm lying right now. So some of it comes to us. There is some things that are just so inescapable on the Internet that we have no choice but to cover them. Some of those things include things like west thumb Caleb, which I don't know if that came over to Denmark, but it was this case of this guy in New York who was a very bad date and everyone who died. Yes, yes, on TikTok. People were hunting him down basically, which is, wasn't great, and that was what we were talking about on the show. Some of it is nostalgia based, some of it is things that I've been thinking about for my entire life. We did an episode on tumblr and how it changed the way we watch movies, because I don't know if you feel this way, but there are so many movies that I haven't seen where I could recall scenes by memory from how often I've seen them on tumblr. And recently I watched pair of blues for the first time, which is this 1961 movies starring Sidney Poitier, Paul Newman, and Diane Carroll. And I had seen this one scene so many times that when I finally saw I was just like, wow, I should have watched this movie maybe ten years ago. I should have already seen this. So we did an episode on that. So it kind of just depends on the week. What's going on? What I'm thinking about, what my producers are thinking about, what feels inescapable, what feels like people aren't noticing enough. And kind of trying to tie it all back to the larger contents. I think a lot of people think things on the Internet are new. And more often than not, they're tied back to something that we've already seen before. Okay, so you say a lot of things on the Internet is not new, which also indicates that we've all been online for some time now. Yeah. And some of us have been adolescent, like we've been young online. We've been trying to find ourselves identity wise online. So how did you grow up online? How old were you when you entered into the online sphere? I was pretty young. I would say, I can't really remember a time I wasn't on the Internet. My mom was doing a PhD program when I was growing up. And so I would help her grade paper sometimes or I would help her do data entry, so I was often using Microsoft Excel, and that would mean that I would get online and do fuck around instead of helping her. Me and my older brother would sit and go to a website that was literally just called stupid dot com because that's what you do when you're in you have access to a computer. So my entire life feels shaped by the Internet. But I would say my first real memories of Internet culture began when I was on my space in tumblr and that was around, I would say 13 to 15. So about 2007, 2010 ish era. Yeah, and what kind of interaction with social media did you have at that time? What kind of landscape do you think you were like a part of? At that time. So primarily fandom is the way that I interacted with the Internet. I think I am a person who just interacts with things through kind of incoherent love. When I love something I want to know everything about it, I want to look at the gifts that see these minute interactions. I want to know what the actor was thinking when he was filming that scene. I want to see what other people are thinking about this. I just want to know that feeling when you're just going to be 13 and you were listening to Beyoncé and just screaming with your Friends. I want that feeling but online. And so that was most of the reason I would go online was to look at the things I was interested in the time which were shows like Supernatural, which is kind of embarrassing. One direction, which is also really embarrassing. I'm just embarrassing myself right now. But all these things that I love as an adolescent and just really wanted to know everything I possibly could about them. I feel that it was way of escaping, only having to hang out with people from school. And having all the people from your dream schoolyard who are interested at the same topics as you are. And just being able to speak to them in Italy speak to them in Mississippi, have interaction with people who are not at the same place at you, but mentally they are. And phantom wise they are. So also, I had a very subcultural teenage era where I was into punk music and alternative rock and just like a movie freak. So also into like a lot of fandom also into a lot of fan fiction and stuff like that. So my space, but also earlier Scandinavian places like Luna storm, there was like a sweetest social media that spilled into Denmark where you could have a diary, people could follow. So people could like, subscribe to your diary. Which is like incredible and also terrifying. Terrifying idea. I'm happy it's not even on anything right now. Yeah. But it felt important to have readers. Yeah. Who could like all the things you should have to say? And we're like there for it. Yeah. And I feel like I haven't quite gotten rid of that part of me that wants to write diary on live. I mean, look at what we're doing. This message is brought to you by discover. Did you know you could have reduced the number of unwanted calls and emails with online privacy protection. The latest innovation from discover. Discover will help regularly remove your personal information like your name and address from ten popular people search websites that could sell your data. And they'll do it for free. Activate in the discover app. See terms and learn more at discovered dot com slash online privacy protection. You may know Kelly ripa from hosting the live with Kelly and Ryan show for the last 20 years. Now you can get to know her in a whole new way by listening to her podcast. Let's talk off camera with Kelly ripa. This weekly podcast will transport you inside the unfiltered mind of Kelly ripa. In each episode, Kelly will dive deep into her life and candidly discuss her marriage, motherhood career, and how she manages to juggle it all in the public eye. Kelly will talk about everything she can never see on camera. It will be unfiltered and deep but most of all, it's gonna be fun. Joined by a rotating group of friends like Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson, Kelly dives deep into a wide range of topics. They'll talk about everything from crazy fitness trends to sex tips all with humor, heart and tenacity. So whether you're a longtime Kelly fan or just looking for a great new show, this podcast is perfect for you. Listen to let's talk off camera with Kelly ripa every Wednesday on Apple stitcher or ravioli in a podcast. Yeah. I feel like podcasting is all the incidents folds. Yeah. I think too much to say. And no one in your life actually wanting to hear it. So you say it's a bunch of strangers. Yes. This is why it's also weird for us to be here at a stage. Looking at people's faces. Because the appeal of a podcast is being able to hide. But still have a lot to say, exactly. Yeah. But being able to hide it. It's the freedom of not having to be on television. Freedom of being able to be on, yeah, I feel it. And also, I ask you about growing up online because there's this feeling right now of me growing old online. I have this feeling that I have been young online. I have been middle aged online and now I feel like I'm growing old on entering boomer and I'm answering. I don't think you're quite
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AP News Radio
UN chief's call for ambition on climate gets muted response
"Some officials at a climate meeting in Copenhagen have given a muted response to calls from the head of the United Nations, the countries to show greater ambition when it comes to reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Speaking at the end of a two day meeting in the Danish capital, Egypt's summit shukri says there was no specific answer to the aspirational goals set out by UN secretary general Antonio Guterres when he urged rich nations to bring forward their target for achieving net zero emissions as close as possible to 2040. Shukri, who chaired last week's UN climate talks in Egypt, says these girls who will be met, I'm sure, addressed within the national context and within the national abilities, adding Egypt would have to rely on the transfer of technology. He says, from our friends and partners to wean itself off fossil fuels and ramp up the use of renewable energy. I'm Charles De Ledesma.
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On this week's AP Religion Roundup, Paris' iconic cathedral prepares to re-open, and ancient runes reveal the Norse god Odin's deep history.
"On this week's AP religion roundup, Paris's iconic cathedral prepares to reopen, and ancient runes revealed a Norse God Odin's deep history. French officials say the reconstruction of Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris is going fast enough to allow its reopening to visitors and faithful at the end of 2024. That's less than 6 years after a fire ravaged its roof. France's culture minister rima Abdul Malik says that they still have work to do after the visitors return. Reopening to the public in December 2024, it doesn't mean that all the renovation will be over. There will still be some renovation works going on in 2020 5, but the cathedral will be open to the public. Authorities have made the choice to rebuild the 12th century masterpiece of gothic architecture, the way it was before. That includes recreating a more recent 315 foot spire. The army general in charge of the colossal reconstruction said the iconic spire will gradually start reappearing above the monument this year. He also says that the reopening means that Notre-Dame's archbishop will restart services at the cathedral. Every day, about a thousand workers endeavored to restore everything from the stonework to the stained glass to bring back Notre-Dame. Scientists have identified the oldest known reference to the Norse God Odin on a gold disk unearthed in western Denmark in 2020, a pendant with the inscription reading he is Odin's man, was in one of the largest troves of gold treasure ever found in Denmark. It's one of the best executed runen descriptions led I have ever seen. Lisbeth Emer is a runologist with the national museum in Copenhagen. She says the runes are evidence that Odin was worshiped as early as the 5th century. At least 150 years earlier than previously thought. We have had some indications that he might have been in the conscience of people earlier, but this is the first solid evidence. Experts think the cash was buried 15th centuries ago to either hide it from enemies, or as a tribute to appease the gods. I'm Walter ratliff
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Viking treasure reveals oldest reference to Norse god Odin
"Scandinavian scientists say they've identified the oldest known inscription, referencing the Norse God Odin on part of a bill disk unearthed in western Denmark in 2020. Lisbet Emer, a rheno with the national museum in Copenhagen, tells the AP the inscription represents the first solid evidence of being worshiped as early as the 5th century, at least 150 years earlier than the previous oldest known reference, which was on a brooch found
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"copenhagen" Discussed on Scientific Sense
"Up of the ninety s that will soon have a financial crisis and it took ten years and then it came but at that time. I've been a many many times. Oh yes but you said that already last year or the year. Before stuff saying indian. Yeah it makes. It makes a lot of sense to me now. So renters persistent mediations. It appears to be seven forcing some level because they're stipulation. Stipulation is going to get higher leverage and continue to deviate away and i. Some point is going to great but we have no clue as to what the timing might be right exactly. Yeah that's a problem. And in my view i think policies should be not trying to to sam have guests bat. The debris comes by the instead. Avoid the set persistent deviations yes. We met diplomacy again from us. Central bank perspective based on. You're sort of hypothesis here and ideas. What would be covered. The color of the central bank policies. Cheat yeah i i i think first of all central banks should give up the idea that that the the main thing is to control inflation because that that means that the focus his in something which is the market takes takes is already somehow takes responsibility for that want but i think they should be much more worried about the house Flation and the stock price inflation and the This is also something. We discussed some out here in in denmark. And you can say that well you know we have a. We have a house. Prices have increased a lot and the question is is it. Is it the bubble or is it just an imbalance..
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"copenhagen" Discussed on Scientific Sense
"And i had to get twenty five dollars dollars. I had to get some sort of central bank clearance exactly in the mid eighties. So are the sort of constraints than the way and And so in some sense money. Creating inflation was to in such a very constrained localized markets. Right money can go anywhere. Yeah i i actually have to say that. They have not been terribly convinced that created inflation but ecause it allowed for for Say inflationary expectations and they are the ones that actually very important. Yeah and and it's consumer price inflation. I think you make a distinction. And i was thinking when i was leading the paper. You know. event little in experiment in the us. At i guess you'll has done similar. A few trillion dollars of stimulus as part of a pandemic essence really gone into consumer price inflation but guest nearly gordon to asset price inflation. Right exactly this through the markets and so on so that the ad is sort of proving what you were hypothesizing and that lots of them so same excess money leading to say a stock price inflation and house price inflation so but that not the consumer price inflation knowing all the details. It's a bit county to there. It is but but really understanding. It's it's not the accounting to log at. I think it's reasonable but you know also when you have a so much house price inflation and so much shit. Price inflation digest. Now i've been. You actually have no long run price. Newt neutrality and as i mentioned in the beginning that is something that is just routinely a suit and if you do not allow the data to speak freely about did you not real real. That is a very very important problem to solve salon of implications for policy. Would you say that then. The money bucket is taken away by the central bags. Would you say that this artificial price inflation. Would you see that go back. That's a very hard question. I'm because one can point out. What is say problematic better. The the policy then works. It's much harder because that so many things to consider. And so i. I have spent my lives trying to understand structures by the i would be scared to death to have conveyed policy advice because i think that that is very very difficult. The school i guess this gives central banks the typical metrics like cpi and so on. You don't see inflation so they get go back and say there's no inflation continue at low interest rates forever at us. Actually what's happening in many cases right. I think what one could say. Well we need to have foot example you could have higher reserve ratios force them onto the the private backs so that for example that would put a damper auden debt on on house prices. You you could say well you have to have a twenty percent..
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"copenhagen" Discussed on Scientific Sense
"My guess today's preface of catalina disappears. Who's professor of economics and economics at the university of copenhagen could look as Impotent could macro-models and associated issues. Don't get thank you. Thanks for doing this. Still talk about one of your recent survey paper searching for a theory that fits the data. I love it. I know it was it odyssey. This has seen sort of problem that economics. Not just economics actually. It is no almost empty. Scientific discipline Replication has become a problem for people. So what beautifully invited people and then then somebody has to do it. It doesn't quite work. Says cooking for the data that that fits your hypothesis in some way. But you're talking about here The cool integrated victor or the recipe methodology. Cer methodology and colleague has evolved over. The last Could years you save. Describes major steps in the economic development discusses problems to be solved been confronted with the data. And it's a solution propose a so called dealie consistent. Cd a scenario. As i mentioned. Gatorade i i i got a little bit of macroeconomics in the mid nineties And i kind of touched macroeconomic. Since then i probably does most of it. But before we get the details of the people Could you put some. What exactly cer the a are described. The cv are c. barra's. I usually call it for short and mean it's a time series prosise oath regressive time-series trump says which is said in its simplest for me. Just just what you call. In the a r a regressive nectar ordering christie prosise by the c. stands for co integration. And that means in the sense that be able to say reformulate the model so that we can distinguish between us structures in the long run which is described by the integrated Relations and structures embiid shorts and even sometimes also in the media run..
BBC Newsday
Greenland Island Is World's Northernmost Island
"In the architects say they've inadvertently discovered the world's most Northern Ireland. The Danish and Swiss team revealed that they thought was that they were in a different place until they checked their position and found they were on a previously undiscovered 30 square meter agglomeration of mud and rock. Mike Sanders has more details. The scientists flew by helicopter to what they thought was Kodak Island to collect samples, no great excitement there. That tiny outcrop has been known about since 1978 but when they checked their position with the Danish official in charge of registering Arctic islands There were 800 M further north. Team leader Martin Rush of the University of Copenhagen said they were standing on land closer to the North Pole than anyone had been on before. The team suggests calling it attack Havana like meaning the northernmost island in Greenlandic, an
All Things Considered
Container Ship Stuck in the Suez Canal
"The Suez Canal, One of the world's vital shipping routes, is blocked by one of the world's biggest cargo ships. This ship the ever given ran aground on the bank of the canal and is blocking it. NPR's Jackie Northam reports on what happened and what it might take to move the enormous ship out of the way. Ever given is an enormous ship about a quarter of a mile long, so navigating it through narrow waters, such as the Suez Canal is a challenge. It's still unclear why, but somehow the bow of the vessel began to drift towards one of the bank's maritime consultant. Battle Keratosis was Karatz. This Marine advisors says the vessel is relatively new, so there shouldn't have been any mechanical issues. A ferocious sandstorm may have played a role. There have been reports that visibility was low at the time and may have impaired the capitals and the crew on the bridge. Their visibility and the ship, which is operated by Taiwan based Evergreen Group ended up across the Suez Canal. Karadzic's says powerful tug boats have been trying to pull the vessel out of the sand bank. They may have to bring other vessels and take off some of the containers off the vessel. They may have to take a ballast water out of the vessel. Another connect the vessel right there and to make it, you know, lift itself from underwater large. Jenson, the CEO of Copenhagen based See Intelligence Consulting, says supply chains were already in disarray caused by a ripple effect from the pandemic. So you have a job or congestion. You have shortages of vessel capacity of shortages of empty containers. There's a myriad of things that are out of kilter will supply chain already distant and some top of it. And that's not good guy plant in with the International Chamber of Shipping, says 12% of global trade passes through the canal and more than 100 ships are now waiting to enter
Weekend Edition Saturday
Main cooperative selling mink to shut as virus forces cull
"The world's largest for auction house says it will be closing over the next 2 to 3 years settle over. God reports that the announcement from Copenhagen for follows Denmark's decision to destroy millions of mink as a result of Corona virus variants being discovered, citing a high risk to public health. Danish officials last week ordered the country's 17 million mink killed after a Corona virus mutation showed reduced sensitivity to anti bodies. In the political fallout that's followed. There was some waffling over whether mink farmers should be allowed to keep breeding stock that would enable an eventual restart of the industry but for Copenhagen for a cooperative owned by Danish mink farmers. The writing is on the world. The CEO says Even the strongest community cannot survive the decisions that have been made. Meanwhile, Humane Society International hails the news as a tipping point that could signal the beginning of the end of the fur trade. For NPR News. I'm Cecil Oh, Regard in
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North Denmark in lockdown after mutated coronavirus infects minks being farmed for fur
"The little country of Denmark, population less than six million, is the biggest producer of mink fur in the world. But now Danish for farmers are worried about going out of business forever. Facing a government order to exterminate 15 Million minx to stop the spread of the Corona virus. Tom Carson has this report from Copenhagen. The Danish government has made its decision. All the country's minx must be put down the prime minister made if Alex and sits on a press conference held on Wednesday, So you should know that The press conference was held in an unusual way. All the ministers and public health officials were not physically in the room but talking to journalists via screens. This is because a number of Danish politicians have caught Cove in 19 and are in isolation. Most mink farms are in the north of the country. After the latest outbreak there, people were told to stay within the borders of the local towns. All pubs, cafes, restaurants and sporting events in the region were shut down. These authorities say that mink are now considered a public health risk.
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Copenhagen's Palads Teatret
"If you were to ask Copenhagen Irs. About plaster this Pastel colored eye catching cinema located in the heart of the city. Just a stone's throw from Arne Jacobsen conic. Sas. Royal Hotel. They will likely describe it as for key fun and charming building a site that has for years made up a unique and special part of the cityscape the building dates back just over a century and was the city's former train station. Yet as demand grew and passenger numbers increased a new bigger station was built close by and palace went onto become Scandinavia's biggest entertainment center at the time. Counting roughly three thousand seats and space for thirty man orchestra. And after years of renovations and adjustments, the space turned into the seventeen screen cinema it is today. It took its distinctive look in the eighties when Danish artist Paul Gann coated the building's facade with a vivid mix of Pastel, hued blues and pinks. Turning the site from architectural landmark into a piece of art.
Encyclopedia Womannica
Politicians, Vigds Finnbogadttir
"Meet Iceland's Fourth President Vigdis. Finnbogadottir. Victis was born into a wealthy family on April. Fifteenth Nineteen Thirty Vic the capital of Iceland. Her father was a civil engineer and a professor at the University of Iceland. Her mother was chair of the Icelandic Nurses Association for over three decades. Education and travel were highly valued invictus his family. Both of her parents studied in Europe before this was born and they often told tales of their travels. After graduating from junior college wreck you back in nineteen, forty, nine fifty has got the opportunity to travel through Europe and to pursue her many areas of academic interest. She studied French and took courses on literature and drama in Paris. She. Also studied at the University of Saleh in Sweden and continue to pursue her theatrical interest in Copenhagen where she studied theater history. Finally she returned to her home country to study English literature and Education at the University of Iceland. Becoming a teacher was a natural next step for victorious. She taught French drama and theater history at the University of Iceland for breaking away to develop the French department at a selective experimental school in the city. Also participated in many projects that brought her into the public eye. She taught French. Television example and later hosted programs about drama. During summers she gave official tours of the country for journalists and writers hoping to gather research material. In the nineteen seventies, victis also served as the director of the Reykjavik Peter Company. All of the public facing work helped grow popularity and name recognition. In addition to all the other things she had going on figures also adopted a daughter in nineteen, seventy two and raised her as a single mother. All while acting as a cultural ambassador for country. Just. remained relatively a political at first. I some experienced some turbulent politics including housing shortages in the sixties, an ongoing conflict between integrationist and isolationist political ideologies. This is early detachment from politics came in handy when she ran as a candidate for president in nineteen eighty. When asked is it fair to say that that you should be elected for being a woman fixes responded? No I shouldn't be elected because I'm a woman I should be elected because I am a human. She secured a narrow victory against three other opponents all men. Her focus on the cultural identity and history of the country rather than more polarizing issues served her well in the race. Just like that big became the first democratically elected woman president. The Icelandic constitution grants, the president only ceremonial power while the prime minister takes more typical leadership role. Still. took an active role in the development of her country both at home and abroad. She spent time advocating for reforestation. She also used her fluency in multiple languages to serve as an impactful ambassador. Educating about the culture and rich literary traditions of Iceland. She personified the unity of her country and gained massive popularity across the world. Victims was reelected three times until she decided to retire from her position in. Nineteen Ninety six. But her participation in politics didn't end there. The following year she went on to serve as president of the UNESCO World Commission on the ethics of scientific knowledge and technology. Thickness made history by becoming the first woman president, a glass ceiling she broke surprisingly and depressingly recently. Thickness encouraged women never to settle for less. She said get educated never accept shorter education than your brothers.
Travel with Rick Steves
Places to Fly Fish
"Desportivo fly-fishing has become a favorite way for many urbanites to decompress. And that's how Chris Santillo started his fifty places recreation guides. He now also writes about places to paddle bicycle golf end snowboard, but his number one passion is fly fishing Chris thanks for joining US great to be here, Rick. Thanks what is it about fly fishing that those who know it and love it or so passionate about I've thought about this a lot oftentimes when I'm out on the river and I think that people come at it from a lot of different directions I. I think there's the chance to be out in nature in a quiet and beautiful place. There's an old saying that's trout don't live in ugly places and neither do bone Fisher Tarp in Atlantic Salmon. So you're usually in pretty pristine places that can support these fish species. About especially, if you're river fishing about being in the water, I don't mean to sound cliche but there is something about the oneness of being with the river in that sense of flow I drive a lot over mountains and past beautiful rivers in Europe and the United States and I see a lot of people with hip Bhutan standing deepen in the river and there is something. Special about that I would imagine you have there is a feeling of being. In the moment and in the flow of life of the rivers as a metaphor for flow of life and time passing, and it's never the same water that you're standing in and I think there is something profound rap subliminal about that that has an appeal There is an analytic. A fly fishing I think it has appealed to people the whole idea of trying to determine what the Fisher eating at a given time, and then trying to either look in your fly box and find the the right fly that seems to match the kind of bugs at the trout might eating or I know some friends will bring a fly tying vice in some feathers and hair and hooks to the side of a stream, and if they don't have what the right bug is at the time or the right fly, they will go and tie it. Up on the spot and hope that they're going to make that match matching the hatches, the term that writer named Ernie Schreiber came up with years ago the hatch being the kind of insect that is occurring on the river at that time but just having the arsenal and matching the flame with the others that are being eaten that's probably integral to being successful fly, Fisher and very important, and you'll find some anglers that are you know better equipped than others I've been out with some friends who will have literally five hundred or a thousand flies. I usually have one or two boxes and and hope that what I have. Oh, cover things ninety percent of the time, but there's always ten percent that doesn't work and one blanket work. Great. This morning in another flight would work great in the same hole this afternoon exactly because what happens on many river systems as you will have different sorts of insects emerging coming out of river or settling down upon the river at different times of the day you might have may flies that are. Popping up from the bottom of the river as Nymphs, and then turning into adult bugs and being on the surface in the morning, and that might be a white insect, the size of your Pinky Nail, and then in the afternoon as it gets warmer, the grasshoppers might become active and the wind may be him into the river and they are green and yellow, and they're the size of your thumb. It's sort of a a battle going on what are the it is it's man versus nature. Chris and Taylor has written a dozen best selling books about outdoor adventures in his fifty places series. One of his titles collects the thoughts of Passionate Anglers Y. I, fly fish and their favorite fishing places are covered in fifty more places to fly fish before you die you'll also see Chris's byline and major sport fishing publications.
Mom Brain
The Future Of IVF with Dr. Zaher Merhi
"So My name is Dr Marie? Reproductive endocrinology further specialist. My is in Manhattan on Columbus Circle. The practice is called new hope for not center I. Am a father of two boys. Ryan is fifteen years old going through puberty and Adam is eleven years old and I love my boys and my dot com will be he's my favorite history years old any sleeps with me every night I literally feel like we're just gonNA continue a sentence from from before. So we were talking about all your. Treatments in all the different things that you can experience while you're having your IV thing that sounds like somewhat not want to call it a SPA treatment but there it just sounds. Nice. Amazing this it is treated. You know it's funny to warding job honestly, and I really love my job and a lot of time I get attached to my patients because you're helping them have a baby and you know I get Christmas cards every year and saying, Oh thank you give me a baby. What kind of you know it's it's really happiness I cannot explain and actually they send pictures of the kids and the children and I put them on the wall and my house. So I have a wall full of pictures of the baby, the baby's. Saying So let's go back because I. think part of this conversation was really like I the F. One. Oh one if you've ever been curious if you've ever thought about it if you've ever been, you know sort of confused about what it entailed. We really covered all the details. So those of you listening who are still curious about that providence to go listen to part one of this conversation part two is going to be more of like you. I mean, you're just so knowledge what everything. More of the cutting edge stuff because I think that that's really what your outfit specializes in and is so prized for is that you really are on this cutting edge of what does it mean to be able to bring Tila to a challenging situations and to do it in a really as noninvasive way as possible, which is actually fascinating Lee sometimes with better results. So I guess we got cut off at noninvasive chromosomal screening is that right? Am I like looking at this? Okay. Then noninvasive chromosomes screening our next is the following. Let's say Daphne has three boys and now she wants to have a car. And now she comes to my office and tell me Dr Marie I WanNa have a boy now are we gonNa do is we're going to do something called IVF. We suck the ads at your husband's sperm, and then we make embryos right sperm and egg may can embryo it takes down a week to make an embryo Now, a days in the last few years more and more centers are testing the embryos not just for the gender also chromosomal screening. You don't want to worry about having a down syndrome baby and then I'm Houston later on or have a miscarriage and then was centers. Do they take a piece of your embryo and then freeze the embryo and test this piece for the chromosome because it's coming from the embryo? We don't do that with the Knicks are noninvasive chromosome screening. We take the fluid at your embryo where it's growing. Just. A fluid water and with that fluid for the end without taking off your angrier. We're only has this technology and I can tell you a lot of people come to us because they were like you know I don't know if the biopsy off Ambrose rain debut and I don't want south sticking out of my my future baby you know they can out to be tested. So that's that's the knicks or none of his of chromosomes I can tell you I love it because it doesn't put on your embryo if you see how an embassy biopsies down the stretch like this and the Pum, a piece of snaps out. It's a little bit aggressive. So the next I think presents a lot of things and then you can also for tomorrow and you can have your boy if you want just journalists election. Yeah. Fascinating because the the a when it's growing remember we put it in a culture dish and over the week after we had the sperm and egg over the growth of. The DNA is thrown in that fluid. So that's how we do it. So that's I think is cutting edge technology reverted proud to have it at new hope fertility center. Why is it only you guys that have this technology you know other centers have done it for research and stuff, but I did not get a good result when we started this technology. I can tell you my secret sauce by the way to have fun. Waiting. But before we offered the to patients, you have to test it. Right. You have to do on the same embryo both technologies the old one and the fluid L. We got ninety nine point nine percent correlation other places they got sixty, eighty percent Max, and so it's the the lab hasn't really got the as good results if I wanNA, say that's Why it's not. So we have great technology. We have great lab, and that's why we have a thousand nine point nine percent correlation between both understood and has a nice. So we talked before about the Needle Free Ivf, we're you take pills instead of injections, correct pills and patches and everything. Correct. There's no patches. This fills by mouth by GINA NASAL spray. Spray interesting correct. Is it just as effective show? We have to be very careful because if someone is young and they have a lot of eggs, it's not it's less effective. Why because? The shots are more aggressive food for the eggs and younger patients have lot of eggs to feed. So they need more food. So the pills is not enough they need addition to shots but women thirty five years, and above it's as effective as the old conventional where patients plenty of shots That's so interesting and I told you I have a patient and Amazon me she wants to talk about experience about the. Home Ivf because she get, we sent to the house no shots just spilt and nasal spray and that we got a lot of eggs as she made four embryos and that's that's a lot I mean it's this is favor good. So yeah it's effective and then how long can you freeze embryos for twenty five years? So it's good and bad guy, and this is great question. Let me tell you why it's good and. It's bad. It's good because nowadays, some countries by some doctors are struggling with Beijing let's say you come to me ten years ago you've eggs and you at forty now you come to me after ten years. Now you're fifty years old and you. WanNa get pregnant with my own exodus froze ten years ago. Some doctors have issues with that because now they think well, what if something happens to you now you have diabetes and you know so we're GonNa be stuck in situations where actually have a patient I was doing a patient from Norway she froze her ex in Copenhagen ten fifteen years ago. Now she's fifty one and they said we cannot use your eggs because getting you're pregnant at this age is dangerous. But, that exactly so I mean I love the fact that twenty five years but also. Having Siblings Twenty five years apart. This we it. Let's say you do IV after they get pregnant and twenty five years. Oh, my my my brother is. So. There's a lot of things but last last part which is. The great thing about freezing for twenty five years is that there is a lot of abandoned embryos what am I gonNa do with them right. I mean some clinics in this country has adult fourteen percent of the embryos abandoned coupled who left Leftover Embryos And are gone and they're not being the freezing fees because they finish this they finished family. So that's why when you go back to the conventional idea when you tell me, I get tons of eggs but guess what kinds of embryos to that you're GonNa be stuck with for live. So I won't vicious the thing that, yes home ivf or gentle IVF or neither free IVF. It's good effective at your to be stuck situation where you're going to be freezing fees for twenty five years for embryos that you might not need. Right. A lot of my consultations are bishops will finish their family and they just WanNa talk to me about what to do that embryo and I don't know what to say, what are the different options, throw it out, give it to another couple or give it twenty such but
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
No country for face masks: Nordics brush off mouth covers
"The AFP. Nordics brushoff mouth covers Stockholm as most of the world either orders or recommends the use of facemask swith even US President Donald Trump, seen one nordic nations are remaining hold-outs in supermarkets on buses along with the streets of capitals, such a Stockholm Copenhagen Oslo Helsinki, and Reykjavik. That's the Nordic nations. Face masks are a rare sight worn only by a small minority many of whom are tourists according to a recent survey by YouGov only five to ten percent of respondents in Nordic countries said they used masks in public settings figure that has remained stable since the start of the crisis in March. and. Yeah I. Mean You know I I think that what I would like to see as we walk out of this as masks for. Sort of for people who want to wear them specifically for people who? Aren't feeling really super great that day maybe maybe today's good data wear a mask and not fill the era with whatever you've gotten sometimes, I don't feel good when you get up I. would certainly be railing against the idea if if someone was like, no, we as the government have decided that we need to have heard immunity as quickly as possible. Therefore, we are forbidding masks offer bidding people to wear them or for them to be made or for them to be distributed I, would be railing against that kind of also be a non issue for sick people if it was the social norm that you don't have to go places when you're sick, right I think that that's Know the first thing is that we have to get rid of whatever that idea was. That was going on in the parents of in the ideas of the heads of my parents when I was a kid. Came from a family admittedly, you know the sort of Lutheran Calvin est kind of cut from that cloth where. You could stand you went to work. Suffering is good for your soul that kind of thing, and I got at least half of the Times throughout the thirteen years that I went to school perfect attendance. They'll that is is a declaration that I made people ill. I mean. You there shouldn't be an award for perfect attendance at school. What that says is that you've made poor choices to my mind. So does your parents have made poor choices because they're not talking about college talking about underage people understood but I, and again I'm not an opposing to hang. You know anybody for this. I'm just saying, Hey, we need to stop and think about this. 'cause only recently in the relatively recent past the last couple of decades or something have I heard people talking about you shouldn't go to work or school if you're sick. Actually. I was hearing the opposite when I was young. And so let's go on. That's a move in the right direction. At the same time, the corresponding figures have risen between seventy and eighty percent for most of the other twenty, eight polled including India and the United. States. So that's people wearing masks. Going up to seventy and eighty percent. I have the impression that if the government doesn't say clearly, we advise you to wear a mask nobody will twenty one year old French. Student Camille four to know of Fortuna Rowley told the F. adding that she was shocked to see how rare masks were in Stockholm. Bridget Y DEL sixty three year old pensioner told AFP that she would have preferred if Sweden's authorities recommended masks at least on public transport, but she added that she would keep going without one unless there was a shift in official policy not only she wants you to take care of her health. She doesn't have a car as an adult and she also doesn't intend to where mask until everybody else does. So. I found a couple of graphs which are not exactly easy to talk about verbally but I mean, tell me what you when you look at the graph tell me what you think of. Here's. So this is a daily new confirmed Kovic nineteen deaths and I think the the confirmed part is a very interesting thing because you can think this was covid nineteen you can say it but like to confirm it is a little more solid Canada Okay So you've got the line for America which okay. It shoots up at the beginning and starts to round off a bit and then just sort of goes over to the right and wavers a bit and doesn't really fall that that that low. Now you've got Sweden which it goes up and then it tapers down and down and down, and then it just crashes at the end. So at the very end we're pretty much where we started and they're zero. Like, they're down to zero confirmed covid nineteen deaths now, and this is the country that had the least amount of government regulations and requirements. They're like, Hey, here's what we advise be smart about this be considerate. Fair what is the age. Difference though. The. Democrat shoulder. Oh Yeah. There's a lot of old people in Sweden. So here are the White Gal sixty, nine years old says if they don't if they don't I will not wear it because nobody else does. Martin Spoil Wrong fifty year old businessman said that he would follow government recommendations. If they tell us, we don't need masks we don't wear them. Sweden has received global attention for softer approach to curbing the spread of the virus which coupled with relatively higher death toll has led to the region's largest country being shunned by its neighbors, but when it comes historically about minding their business. But when it comes to masks, the Northeast Nordic nations look staunchly united. So except for Sweden, there are a few cases in those countries KK Chang Epidemiologist University of Birmingham since two for applied health research told AF pay. So I don't blame them for not doing it as long as they have reasonable social distancing and contact tracing has been done properly. Was We to do that? Asked Tuesday what long as you're being spied on I'm okay with it. Yeah. what might change his mind on recommending the use of facemask. Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tangle said that he's still waiting for some of the proof that they're -FFECTIVE So what a novel concept? Portraying some logic questionable I. think it's wrong a responsible and it's stubborn. The epidemiologists said if he's wrong, it cost life. If I'm wrong. What harm does it do? The epidemiologists says there's no harm to wearing masks so we should all wear them I'm not entirely sure that that's true. And I mean. Okay. So there's there's the direct physical health oriented harm that he's talking about. Okay. Well, we've we've discussed some of the issues with that. You've got your mask mouth you've got one of the things that bothers the most bothers me the most is not seeing people's faces actually really bad for your immune system epidemiologist should know bacteria grows in wet damp dark places you would think well, right now they're looking to covert and they're not looking at much else. They're certainly not looking at dental issues and even just looking at cove it. Okay. Let's let's assume. That nothing else exists this is the only thing that means any of our attention. Okay. Viruses need cells to procreate. That's what they are. That's how they work. Now, if you have a multicellular organism, it has defenses it has t cells that will attack the virus and will attack cells that have been infected with the virus. So what what it wants is bacteria to eat that's that's what it means. It means defenseless little single celled organisms so that it can get in procreate and explode. That's what they do. So if you make more bacteria if you well, if you create this environmentally. Rich you will get a lot of viruses I get the idea but wouldn't we be seeing more many more cases and deaths and all these sorts of things going on in countries where mass compliance is significantly higher if that's the case no ours covert isn't. Necessarily, because Kobe isn't all that deadly except to people who are already very fragile.
Balance of Power
Pompeo addresses order to close China's Houston consulate
"Setting out clear expert ations for how the Chinese Communist Party is going to behave, and when they don't we're going to take actions that protect the American people. That was Secretary of State Michael Pompeo talking earlier today, over in Copenhagen, Denmark. This was in response actually at the United States closed the Chinese consulate down in Houston, We turn now to Bill fairies. He heads up our national security coverage for Bloomberg. So, Bill this was quite a dramatic announcement that most was well, two up to this morning. What happened here? Well, you know, there's been a drumbeat of tensions back and forth between us and China. The U. S. Says that this is in response to ongoing intellectual property theft by China. That Secretary Pompeo said, has cost us hundreds of thousands of jobs. What we don't know if if there was, for instance of specific intelligence Operation going on that the US was trying to shut down. We do know that in the last year there have been two Chinese citizens in Houston, who have been indicted and convicted for trying Tio trying to steal trade secrets from the energy industry. So we don't know that specifically is related. But it is something that's obviously been on the U. S radar for a little while now. So in the terms of diplomacy, this is a pretty serious step for one country to kick out consulate out altogether, having a few years ago as I recall with Russia as well, what's likely to be the Chinese response. Well, Typically, it's a straight kind of protesting where the Chinese would look a U. S consulates in China at and close one of them with the same 72 hours notice. It'll be very interesting if they do something that's a little bit less than that, because that would signal on attempted de escalation. But the U. S has, I think five consulates in China And I would expect everyone who's based their eyes a bit on it now about whether they'll have to be going home this week. So, Bill, What's the endgame here is far as you can figure. I mean, do we think that the Chinese are going to change their conduct on intellectual property because we closed a consulate in Houston? The short answer is no. I don't think this will probably, you know, served. I think it's much more of a symbolic kind of moved by the U. S. And It keeps up these tensions that have been growing, you know, over over things like the origin of the Corona virus over issues like Wow, way. I think it's another strike in that category. Just yesterday, the US accused Chinese hackers of ah of more than a decade of attempts to try to steal hundreds of millions of dollars and trade secrets. From the U. S. I don't think a TTE this point. We see what the exit ramp is here for either side, other than some sort of a de escalation, So the ball is really in China's kind of court. Right now on, I think we'll be watching carefully to see whether they have more of a nuanced
Monocle 24: Meet the Writers
Witold Szabowski
"Guess today's Polish journalist, who's reported from across the world including Cuba's of Africa Turkey and is land. He's previously been recognized by some of Poland's most prestigious literary prizes as well as Amnesty. International. English pen and the European Parliament. Journalism Prize his latest book. How to feed a dictator provides a unique perspective on some of the world's most evil men through the eyes of that cooks. The Toll Sh- lebowski welcome to the show. Can you tell me a little bit about your background? Were you born in Warsaw thank you for having me and the answer is no I was born. Hundreds kilometers from Warsaw, which made me very well linked to Warsaw and I had a lot of contacts which people from there at I graduated, I finished my by school in very very small town, Ostrich Moskowitz, and were you encouraged to write or indeed to cook at that time? That's all my mother was cooking really well. And when I was six or seven, I had that fashion to bake, and I was really it was a master of cheesecake, but then I never actually had any links to cooking until I graduated from Warsaw University, and then I went to Denmark and the full story seem the book, but shortly speaking. People in Denmark earned much better those days and people in Poland. And Poland was joining you those days, so I could easily meet right. I went to Denmark. And I spend a couple of months, and my first job was cleaning the dishes very good, fancy restaurant in very beautiful Barcus Copenhagen, but then I made a beautiful rape currier name became a chess, so that was the first serious cooking for me. But you ended up walking out of the restaurant, throwing your apron down and walking out. All Yeah Oh. Yeah, that's because I went to. I made a mistake actually. I'm joking, but I went to point just for a couple of weeks. I took a short break. The restaurant with my plan was to come back after a couple of weeks, but then in Warsaw I got the job actually I. It was an internship. But in the best newspaper, having all. So, that was something I couldn't really skip I never. I never went back to cooking. And in fact that was the start of your journalistic career. Because at twenty five, you became the youngest reporter at the Big Polish daily newspaper. Tell us about that. It'd be far. I was working for a top law. No, like the sound on or something like that and I was writing about everything related to religion that totally season church, the Polish Pope, who had died just a couple of months before, and that was my first serious job, but right after that. I began. That's true. At the biggest Polish daily called Gazit of has its weekly supplements with Literary Report Dash, which is really gorgeous, which is which is really a pearl to be a discovered one day for the international reverse. I believe because every week they used to print. Two or three really goods pieces of beautiful literary record dash in Richard Kapucinski style. And that's true. I began working there when I was twenty five, which was quite early. Usually, that was a place for very experienced, very very good journalist. And almost straits from the kitchen in Copenhagen I went to. Supply! With with the best quality reputation the on so that was kind of amazing for me. For the first couple of years, they couldn't believe that it's July It's a beautiful dream. They thought that at some point someone would come and wake me up.
Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me!
Hundreds of protesters rally in London, Berlin over U.S. death
"President trump says the U. S. government will designate the anti fascist group antifa as a terrorist organization as NPR's Joel rose reports the trump administration is linking it to protests against police brutality that have turned violent in recent days president trump said on Twitter that the US will be designating antifa as a terrorist organization but didn't offer any details it's something he's called for before Attorney General William Barr blamed radical agitators for hijacking peaceful protests Barr said such violence is quoted domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly it's not clear how many if any of the protesters involved in violent clashes around the country are associated with antifa as protests over the death of George Floyd have grown government officials have put the blame for violence and destruction on outsiders officials in Minnesota where Floyd was killed offer a very different assessment of who those outsiders our governor Tim Walz says far right white nationalists maybe sparking the violence Joel rose NPR news governor walls also said today protests were mostly peaceful in Minneapolis overnight after National Guard troops joined local and state police in a show of force to quell violence but governor wall says it will take far more fundamental changes to address the problem in his state we don't just right near the top on educational attainment we rank near the top on on personal incomes on homeownership on life expectancies things that make this and when they came out awhile back we are we rank second in a survey of the fifty states second in happiness behind a white but if you take a deeper look and peel it back which this week is peeled back all of those statistics are true if you're white if you're not we rank near the bottom wall cited unequal educational opportunities for children of color and lending practices that suppress black homeownership demonstrators turned out in Berlin Copenhagen in Toronto today saying they were rallying in solidarity with American protesters and NPR's Frank Langfitt reports hundreds of people marched on the U. S. embassy in London the protests began in London's Trafalgar Square where hundreds face Britain's National Gallery and took a knee the March continued across the river Thames to the U. S. embassy where protesters packed enough against a police cordon a black lives matters group in London organized the protest a Twitter account for black lives matter U. K. which said it is not affiliated with the London group questioned a mass gathering while Britain is still largely under lockdown adding quote we are currently discussing the implications of calling a mass March in the middle of a pandemic that is killing us the most government statistics show British blacks of African descent are nearly four times more likely to die from covert nineteen than white Britons Frank Langfitt NPR news this is NPR this is WNYC in New York I'm lance lucky governor Cuomo says new York's Attorney General will investigate the NYPD's actions during yesterday's protests the demonstrations turn violent at times with protesters hurling objects at police and police pepper spraying protesters video also show police SUVs driving into a crowd of protesters Cuomo says any allegations of police misconduct should be investigated by an external authority nuts local officials are they really in a position to be feet fair and objective they will say yes I say from a public confidence point of view have the investigation done by someone else Blasio has announced two of his some point appointees are conducting an investigation into the violent protests in the past few days in addition to the NYPD's internal probe the governor says the AG's review will be done by next month and in his press conference this morning mayor de Blasio largely praise the NYPD for its approach to policing this weekend's protests but he said his administration needs to do more to identify police officers in leadership or on the beat who he said are not cut out for the job that work needs to be amplified it speeded up intensified we need to make sure that anybody who should not be a police officer is not a police officer the NYPD says three hundred forty five people were arrested and thirty three officers were injured last night it is not clear how many civilians were
Science Magazine Podcast
How scientists are thinking about reopening labs
"We now speak with David Grimm online news editor at science. His recent article navigates the treacherous waters of researchers returning to their labs and fieldwork amid the coronavirus pandemic even for scientists fortunate enough to resume their research. Strange situations await greatly reduced lab teams physical distancing and face masks and the risk of corona virus infection to name a few. Hi David Angel. There's been plenty of talk about how and when researchers might return to their labs and it seems that now. The time has come for some of them. Could you highlight a few major studies that have now resumed work in a sense if it remains true that most labs especially labs that are not working on component virus are still closed or only partially open right now? It seems like labs in Europe have opened a little bit earlier. There was allowed to open a couple weeks ago and more opening now when my story I talked about any everything from research vessels going out in the Gulf of Alaska to study fish populations to archaeologist steady each feces and so obviously none of us have to do with corona virus which is why all these studies were shut down but some these are gingerly starting to reopen a little bit. How our institutions deciding which labs reopen? Will you know? It's really interesting. Some places are allowing all labs to reopen but the after we open a very limited capacity Aquino only a twenty five percent capacity will be a couple of people can be in the lab at one time in other places. Universities are prioritizing critical projects. And in that case that that be you know. Post are for Grad. Student is only a couple months away from finishing their post doc or their thesis and they just needed to accomplish more experiments. They're being allowed to come in just to finish those experiments and some of them. Don't even have supervision right. Now is not the case. So one re-stripe talks to a Nora Sistiaga who is at the University of Copenhagen Denmark. She's wants studying each and feces and she was allowed to go back into her lab by the team because she was so close to finishing data that she needed to complete her post doc but she can't do that because the restrictions are such that she can't go in by herself and her project requires somebody to supervisor and so the both can't be there at the same time because the restrictions imposed by the university so even though the genes allowing her to go back. She can't go back because she she. She can't do this work by herself. Even cases where people are allowed to go back. They're not always able to go back. One thing. Everyone even those outside of science or grappling with is that business as usual is no longer a thing what changes are being implemented in labs and feel work that might represent the new normal. Yes so the biggest thing is is the physical distance thing. So that's why the numbers have been so reduced so you imagine if the lab of twenty people were crowded together on the small lab benches knees take orders. That just can't happen right now. Because of the risk of transmitting corona virus and so she having instead his labs being allowed to have. Maybe two or three people come in Saint Time. And everybody's got to be in a separate room or the least have to be six feet of ARD and so that's one of the big things and also most decisions are requiring employees to wear face masks so even if you only have a public lab. Everybody's gotTa wear face masks at all time. Those seem to be the standard things. That are the same regardless of the type of laboratory. You're talking about. There are differences now because some labs are used to labs at deal with ancient DNA for example. These people are wearing full protective gear all the time because they don't WanNa candidate per sample. So they they are. They're already very used to wearing masks. Whereas maybe physicists owners who don't normally have to wear masks are now being forced to wear those fulltime. At least when they're in laboratory conditions a lot of these scientists and institutions are taking that leap to reopen labs and go back to research are scientists and institutions preparing for the possibility of labs having to close again. Yeah that's the really big problem. Because even as lobs kind of gingerly reopen and they're taking all these protective measures to make sure researchers can be there do their experiments. There's always a chance that things will up again. There could be an outbreak of cases in a particular area and then Milan has closed down again with university has to close down again. That's still something that's being actively sort of considered about how to deal with that and again different universities institutions dealing met with that in different ways so for example the Swiss veteran institute of Aquatic Science narrow allowing people to come back to work but one of the edicts is. Don't start new projects and don't start any projects that can't be stopped on short notice and the idea is that you don't want to start a project that's going to take you a year to finish and has to be done continuously. If there's a chance your research going to be shut down again in a month or two and so it really trying to ties the work. That is just finishing up or work that can be done. Maybe just a few weeks in case things have to shut down again.
Fashion No Filter
Saint Laurent’s is ditching the traditional Fashion Month Calendar
"Get down system news breaking news this week. I was pretty at. He can aback by the SUNOL announcement. Picking them back in a good way. Ya was although I guess in the last episode we'd been wondering whether big changes were actually going to end up happening so I guess there's your proof that's your answer so for anyone who doesn't know son. A Hall has decided to drop out of Paris fashion week and set its own pace for showing collections direction of the year. And it's going to pivot to adapt to the corona virus crisis and has said they told. Ww W D Saddam will said in a press. Release wd conscious of the current circumstances and it's waves of radical change. Santa has decided to take control of its pace and reshape. Its schedule creates Dr Anthony. Vaccarello said the violent impacted covered nineteen outbreak. Which has forced the closure of most of Santa Stores meant business as usual was not an option chief executive officer Francesca Valentini. Hinted that the brand famed for its spectacular outdoor women's catwalk shows set against the backdrop of the Eiffel Tower in Paris could still age a physical show at some point this year. But his favorite formats. They're more intimate and closely aligned. The final customer room. What do you think that means? It's such big news. I think that a house as respected and that does such exceptional job also needed such an exceptional job for its Shows has decided to to step down. Because that's a really really positive meaning that others will feel other smaller. Brands will feel like they can do the same without sounding like their brands in an unhealthy state. Because I feel like a lot of people will be worried about the way to investors and stuff at the same time as So that's also something to take into consideration when you're canceling big show and some of the big names of doing it gives a lot more room for others. I mean the rose also says that that's what they're going to be doing next season and I think this is a really positive outcome. I do that like brands. Moving away from the long lamented fares suck in place flashing. Schedules is a good thing. There is part of me. Worries that with brands. Big Sahel if they're off schedule but still in Paris are still gonNA maybe in completely off the mark with this that people are still gonna fly to Paris from other places to see that. But they're saying they're not showing. Well are they saying they're not showing? Yeah they said they're not doing a show could still stage a physical show at some point this year. Yeah at some point means one show instead of like the fashion week schedule. Which basically these three shows. Because that's two women or four shows to women's and men's which is from going from four to one is a big step. It's a big step back totally and I'm totally in agreement with that but I just worry that everything is going to become cruise collection competition e where big brands compete to have a more extravagant location or timing or whatever and then we're all just going to have to be on airplanes all the time in random directions and if that's what's going to happen? I would just rather we stick to the fashion week schedule because at least you just take one flight and then you go to Paris and you see the shows you know. That's the devil's advocate but bear in. Mind that that's if international flights have resumed. Which for the time being. It isn't the case and bronze will not have healthy budget. They used to fly people around on a whim as much as they used to. And I feel that for example a brand like Santa Hall would make sense to host an event of some kind in the form of a show. Something else every year in Paris. Because that's whether the house is located and you do have to find a way to promote and showcase what the designers creating certainly certainly so there is you have to be able to allow for some kind of formats. I think it's positive to see that it's going to be less than than it was and I really liked the idea of rethinking a system. That was so wrong but yeah I agree with you until we see what the outcome is. Exactly we can't really speculate county yet. No I assume you know what it occurs to me that some of our listeners might not beyond the fashion week circuit. I feel like I'd love you to go into a little bed and you're really up -cluded on the stuff as well. What about the fashion calendar is has been so wrong for so many years but especially in recent years? Can you speak to you kind of just touched on it? I think the competition for each brand to do bigger and better viral. Basically shows has become completely out of hand plus the fact that there are an increasing number of brands increasing number of people wanting to attend shows. Because it's good for positioning or like people just want to be seen their raw than the because they're actually you know helping promote the show itself and I also feel that we talked about this before. It's always fashion week somewhere and whereas they used to be only one week for each city it's now becomes so long and there's men's could chew and crews and then all the minor fashion weeks like Copenhagen and button and all the others that I can't think of the top of my head right now but I know there are loads of them. Do we really need a show format in an era which is increasingly digital. And when actually sitting front row to show would only be important if that show. It really is a proper added value to the brand. I think partly because of how exhausting has become for everybody and by everybody. I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about people who really work super hot during that time. So the bias. The brands you work super hard juryman time. Yeah at the end of the day. I'm just that to report I'm not Like I feel like there's a lot of pressure during those those busy busy busy times and having so many shows back to back over a period of a month then Rick 'cause two three times in Aghia and where every single time you have to travel to a different city and attend just absolutely absurd amount of events and shows parties all in the name of promoting a brown and it just turns into a ridiculous exercise which is actually quite just quite cringe and especially after everything. We've gone through in last in the last few weeks. I think it would be quite distasteful to return to
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Created during Spanish flu, jingle dress dance now helping First Nations people cope with COVID-19
"The cove in nineteen pandemic women and girls across north. America have been posting videos of themselves performing the jingle dress. Dance it's a dance. It has historical ties to another pandemic from one hundred years ago way. People in the United States and Canada tell a similar story about the origins of the jingle dance tradition. They cite a young girl being very sick her father after having a vision about a special dress and dance associated with it gate. The little girl that dress. She began dancing in the new jingle dress and survived that was University of Minnesota professor. Brenda Child on the origin story of the Jingle Dress. Dance Brenda is a member of the Red Lake. Agip way reservation in Minnesota and she's been doing some research into the history of the jingle dress. She joins me from Minneapolis to tell us what she discovered. Welcome Brenda thank you so much. What did you find? Was the origin of the Jingle dress. Dance or I was really surprised when I started doing the research. I couldn't find a single photograph of what you would call. Jingle dress before Circa nineteen twenty in the United States or Canada. And I thought. Wow you know as a historian. It occurred to me that something very big had happened. That created this new healing tradition a century ago so when I started doing further work into it. It seems that it was the big flu. Epidemic of Nineteen nineteen very similar in some ways to the global pandemic were experiencing today. And so the story whether it's told in Whitefish Bay Ontario or central Minnesota on them lacks reservation. Both of them name a little girl as being the first jingle dress dancer and the girl was actually survivor of the global pandemic of a century ago And there was something else going on at the time as well as this Influenza pandemic there was there is this law. I guess outlawing I indigenous a spiritual holiday so that really added to to the power of the dress right. Yeah it was. I like to say that the jingle dress dance was a radical tradition from its origins because in the context of the United States the Indian office in Washington had outlawed ritualistic dancing on reservations in this kind of infamous dance order of one thousand nine hundred twenty one but it is true that the jingle dress dance emerged during a moment when these kinds of traditions were being suppressed on reservation communities and so in that sense the jingle dress dance was sort a radical tradition from its beginning very cool. Is there a history of new? Data's being created out of Specific need or issue that needs to be addressed in our communities. Well I mean I think we have a tradition of new dances being created. But this is the first dance. I traced to a kind of global epidemic. And what's interesting to me? Is Most of US know that Indian tribes in North America? Ever since the coming of Europeans experienced many different kinds of epidemics and pandemics and smallpox and what the jingle dress dance sort of shows me is maybe this was a way that native people had of coping with these earlier generations of epidemic says. Well how is the jingle dress itself connected to healing? I think most native people know that the jingles themselves argued with kind of healing power. Ojibway people think of spiritual power as being passed through the air and so sound is very important in that world view. And so if you've ever been to a powwow and you've had the wonderful experience of listening to many Jingle dress dancers dancing together you know. It's a really interesting sound in that it's a tinkling sound. But some people have described it as almost being like a summer rain or or voting sounds of a rainfall what we learned this past year. My students and I at the University of Minnesota were putting together an exhibit for the Malek's Indian Museum thinking about it being the hundredth anniversary of the Jingle Dress. Dance tradition and we had an opportunity to look at dresses through the decades and so from the Twenties Thirties forties fifties and more recent years. And what we found. Is that the jingles over the years. Where made of different materials we often think of. The Classic Copenhagen Snuff Can Lid and that has been a consistent material that our people have used to make jingles but we also saw dresses with Prince Albert tobacco cans. We also saw dresses made from baking soda cans early. So yeah so people. American Indian women and women in particular have been very creative. We had one early Dakota dress. That had a jacket. Both of them with jingles and the skirt and jacket were made of drapery fabric. Wow it sounds like a jingle dressed dancers were kind of contemporary in that they were able to go with the styles of the time they did and in fact some of my favorite dresses are the first ones from the collections at the Minnesota Historical Society. They're often black kind of Slim dresses that resemble the flapper dresses of the Nineteen Seventies. And so it's surprising. And that's sort of one of the things. We wanted to show with the exhibit that in many ways. The Jingle dress dance evolved through the decades. There isn't one consistent style but the jingles are what they all have in common a lot of the dresses from the thirties and forties. We found had long zinc zippers. Up The side showing that they were probably purchased in department stores. When you and then we're embellished later with jingles and that's something that may be would surprise some of us who always say you know you have to make your own jingle dress or you have to have it made for you. Because in the nineteen thirties and forties women sometimes purchase them and added the jingles. Later I imagine many people think that Powell dancing has been around for hundreds of years. But as you say the jingle dress dance and the dress itself is relatively new. How do people respond when when you tell them that? I like to talk about that idea very much. Because many people can only see indigenous people as historic people. I know we have that problem in the United States where sort of viewed as always in terms of the past and so with the Jingle dress even though the Powell tradition is older than the jingle dress dance shows me. Is that native people and Ojibway people here in the Great Lakes were part of the making of the modern world. And who would've thought one hundred years ago a century ago that this global epidemic that people experienced all over the world would go into the remote communities of the Great Lakes and be very devastating and that women would respond to that epidemic. By you know I always say it's like applying. Sav to wounds that they were able to kind of create this new tradition. That is still with us. A century later. Wow now you mentioned earlier that you helped curate and exhibit at the Mill Lack indie museum in Ohio which took a look at the history of the Jingle Dress and was organized for the one hundredth anniversary of this dance. What kinds of dresses did you have contributed to this exhibit from some some of the you know the the dancers out there well. It was really fun because we started the exhibit with the idea that we were going to bring historic dresses so that the community could kind of look at what I mentioned earlier. The how the dresses evolved over the decades but then what we also found is there almost became like a second exhibit because women wanted to bring their own shingle dress into the exhibit as well and. I think the one that is photographed. Most often is one where it belongs to Vanessa. Northrop from the fond laco devoid community in Minnesota and she turned her police uniform into a jingle dress. And that's a very powerful dress When people see it another favorite is the one I mentioned made out the Baking Soda. Can lintz and that was from our spiritual leader from Kind of central Minnesota and Wisconsin. His name is Lee Staples and he asked if we would like to have his mother's dress which he's still had Lee himself is in his seventies so he brought in his mother's very beautiful dress and we that to the exhibit as well. Just a beautiful sight to see yeah. The exhibit is called the BOSCA. Uganda good day. The Jingle dress at one hundred and as I said it will be having another season. Hopefully when the museum reopened again later this spring it. It will be there for the summer months as well. Now you may have noticed over the last couple of weeks. We've seen women and girls posting videos of themselves dancing Jingle online in response to cove nineteen how does it make you feel to see indigenous people turning back to the Jingle dress dance as a dentist healing? Well it makes me feel great. It makes me very happy to think that another generation as being inspired by this tradition. You may have noticed early last summer that Google had doodle in the middle of June about the jingle dress dance and it was the first time that Google had commissioned a native artist to make a doodle and I thought that was a very interesting thing to happen in the last year too. So what's interesting to me to the timing of these particular events because who would have thought a century after the jingle dress we'd have another global pandemic and just at the time we were remembering that history so strongly that we would have a similar kind of episode in the midst of our country and any in our communities so the timing of. This is all very interesting to