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Boris Johnson faces Brexit revolt in parliament.
"I'm Anthony Davis. The European Union on Monday ramped up pressure on UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson to step back from breaking the brexit divorce treaty. Delaying a key decision on London's euro clearing justice. He faces a rebellion in the British parliament. The European Union says Johnson's plan would wreck trade talks and propelled the United Kingdom toward a messy brexit while former British leaders have warned that breaking the law is a step too far that will tarnish the country's image. The House of Commons will vote on moving the internal market bill which the EU has demanded London scrap by the end of the month two, its next amendment stage after a debate that Johnson will introduce. As Johnson prepared to try to persuade lawmakers that he's planned to explicitly break international law was worth supporting a derivatives industry source said the European Commission had delayed a decision on euro clearing. Johnson who has a majority of eighty in the lower house of parliament faces a growing revolt. All of Britain's living former prime ministers have expressed concern about his plan as have many senior figures in his Conservative Party. The leader of the opposition Labor party kissed Obama who is self isolating due to the corona virus said, he would oppose a bill that broke international law. Johnson's plan to explicitly break INS National Law has plunged brexit back into crisis less than four months before Britain is finally due to
Brexit: Boris Johnson says powers will ensure UK cannot be broken up
"Johnson, has been defending proposed legislation that would breach the Brexit treaty that Britain signed with the you some MPs within the governing Conservative Party and five former British prime ministers. Voiced serious misgivings about it. But our political correspondent Rob Watson says Mr Johnson is showing no signs of giving in he completely double down on the sort of standoff with the European Union. And I pick out a couple of the words. He accused you of being willing to go to what he called extreme and unreasonable lengths to use. Northern Ireland, if you like, is a sort of a leverage tool, and it's discussions with the U. K about the future trade deals. Absolutely no effort whatsoever to reach out to the European Union. And I guess the other criticism that will be made as well. If you didn't think this agreement with the U the withdrawal agreement was a smart one. Why on earth did you sign it and get Parliament to pass it and go to the country on it? World News
Brexit: Government refuses to drop plans to override parts of Brexit deal
"The U. K. left the European Union in January. It was possible to detect a faint sigh of relief even among those British people who thought the endeavor various combinations of reckless vainglorious, foolhardy, petulant, and self destructive at least and at last it was imagined. We now knew what we'd be dealing with a transition period some sort of new deal and a reduction of turbulence. The UK government this. Week announced it had other ideas planning to override sections of the withdrawal agreement. It had itself negotiated signed and won election on the back of joining me to attempt to identify what fresh hell. This is Naomi O'Leary. Your corresponded at the Irish Times and lands price former director of communications at ten Downing Street Naomi with all g recognition that there may be a number of answers to this question of varying degrees of decorum. What is the UK's government doing? Well, my understanding is that it's introducing an internal markets bill that will unpick. A couple of aspects that were agreed with the EU in order to avoid a border join across the arden. So this would include. Customs arrangements on state aid agreements on I mean by the UK's own admission because they rolled agreement was passed in his comments on signed by those sides it's international law. So this would be breaking international by their own admission. Let's. The as ninety points out the UK government has admitted that would be breaching international law. They did specify that it was a very limited and specific way. So that's fine. Apparently It's one of the great questions attending, Boris? Johnson. Administration. Is there a strategy discernible or are they just winging this? Was this always the plan basically? I think has to assume there is some sort of strategy but quite deliberately, it is so opaque that those looking in from the outside, find it very hard to discern what it is. That we may come to the end of this year to the end of December and look back and say, well, actually, there wasn't the strategy and they would just blundering white. You giving a very good impression of simply plunder their way through, but they are not stupid. And we assume that there is method to their madness. Now, about methods may simply to be as disruptive as possible this stage in in. In order to Let's try to secure the deal again today still with the intention of trying to get the deal to give you a new one. That I've spoken to or listen to seems to be able to determine which it is still time. That's it. It's never wanted to deal that looks away play the of European Union. They deliver take disrupted to the prospects of deal because frankly. Happy to go. Without one. But? What has the response to this development being in I mean we'll talk about the rest of the EU shortly but in Ireland in particular because for obvious reasons island republic, there was always going to be more affected by the fact of Brexit than any other EU country. I think initially an many people struggle to believe that this was really what the UK was doing that they were going to go through with this because you know a lot of figures in the civil service in government in Dublin have very long relationships with people in the UK with which have been constructive. kind of goes against the their experience of Britain so far to a large extent up. So I, think there was initially hesitant to overreact to kind of see, but once the bill was made public all. The really have reacted with shock because this this way more than the sort of Saber rattling that everyone expected in terms of talking up no deal on shouting might sovereignty and everything that was kind of priced in this really fundamentally to the heart of the. Western order. People don't. Respect international law. It kind of puts in question a lot of the assumptions that the current global order is based on. I'm just to name a few for example, the fact Gibraltar is still in UK Homs let's based on an international treaty that even though Spain doesn't like it. has accepted. And that's just one small example, the UK itself relies on this concept that. International treaties can't unilaterally changed by one side lawfully, it relies on it all the time. Lunch just to elaborate on that point of Naomi's might even if this is just a slightly devil-may-care negotiating gambling might have effects in the real world. Niamey mentions there the treaty of you tracked onto which spying grudgingly ceded sovereignty of Gibraltar to the United. Kingdom. But also within the last twenty, four hours, one almost admires the bras neck. We've seen the UK's foreign secretary reminding Iran of its international obligations. vis-a-vis, its nuclear treaty might this actually have real world impacts whether it is Gibraltar. Iran Hong Kong. A number of other places. I've been I think it might very well, not necessarily any other states would see this as a green light for them to reach national all all treaties that they have signed with the United Kingdom and other countries but set you going forward when it comes to trying to foam which agreements or whether it's trade agreements or security related agreements or whatever else it might be that the kingdom will be seen as an unreliable untrustworthy partner those. If, we say in terms that we are willing to break traditional goal this time that why should get any time in the future so we will see threats from the United States and. about about this, being a very significant roadblock to a free trade agreement with those countries. Now, we have just signed one with. Japan. He's just been announced that the United States go to preacher is leaving with Japan. It probably doesn't amount to us not which is government with like this. Super believe. But the standings of the United to International. has already been severely damaged, and that's why there's some very very senior figures in the Conservative Party former prime ministers, and little house. but the house tested deposits as well. Who say this is a statue. Niamey talks trade talks ideas due to resume on Monday, but especially bearing in mind. What Lance was just saying about the UK, turning itself into an increasingly on reliable interlocutor, and that's on top of the last few years of just extraordinary nonsense the has had to deal with is there a possibility or indeed? May We already have arrived at that point of the European Union basically losing patients with this entire thing? Obviously, the EU as twenty seven nations is probably more equipped to deal with the chaos of no deal than the UK is one nation. Right now, it's a bit of a game of chicken because I think neither side wants to be the one to call ice because they don't want to take the blame i. But yet they eat. You has given UK basically an ultimatum of the end of the month to reverse this plan. or they say that they will take legal recourses available under the withdrawal agreement I'm which include fines and things like that to try and bring the UK back in line Basically, they've been saying all year the an agreement relies on the past agreements being enacted and that's the fundamental trust is essential for anything being agreed and the reason they've been saying that I think because there was always a bit of a suspicion that something like this could. Happen though nobody wanted to believe it because the likes of ours Johnson on his cabinet ministers would occasionally say things that didn't make sense. The didn't fish with what they had agreed thing that there wouldn't be taxes on when they would be in the Irish Sea So I think the EU is going to wait and the they're they're not pulling out of the the talk. Yes. But the chance of them succeeding I, think in everyone's view with extremely spam at this point.
As Brexit looms, the U.K.'s Conservative Party fights for survival
"Continue. Now today's newspapers on the globalist joining me is Phil Clarke professor of International Politics at Says University of London Hello Fil. A morning ever good to have you although I'm slightly baffled why you've chosen an article in the Daily Express Kickoff newspaper review. I. Know We live in Unusual Times And Fill. It might have come to that point where the the Daily Express is getting this morning at basically something that I think we've suspected in the UK for Awhile which is. The Conservative Party is going gangbusters to try to get a no deal brexit I think this has been building for a while at the UK has been playing a I really dangerous game of brinkmanship with the the European Union and today the Dow expresses reporting that. Bicycle UK saying that they will not toe the line on one of the issues. Absolute stipulations over the Brexit negotiations, which is that the British government cannot. Provide massive subsidies to be British companies. And I must sign up to an agreement with the EU on. Labor and environmental standards. These are the sorts of things that the EU is really worried about that. That basically that the government is going to tilt the tried situation. So heavily towards British companies that they're to have this completely free wheeling lack of regulation, which will allow British companies to violate anything that looks like a great international standards on Labour and environmental. Issues, and this is the kind of thing that really does push these brexit tokes right to the edge, and so it does look like we're getting closer to a what I think disastrous no deal Nigel brexit indeed I mean the the whole of the weekends newspapers was saying UK's ready to walk away from brexit trade talks. You case chop stocks trail in recovery as fears over Brexit 'cause invested jitters PM threatens deal Brexit and even over the Weekend we heard this is a European Union senior meeting in a couple of weeks time in Germany brexit will not even be on the agenda. I. Wonder whether this isn't just the the the brinkmanship that is absolutely necessary although being paid by two sides. One of which knows what it's doing and the other one is seeming that's an eleventh hour agreement can be made, but that's not how this thing works because it's too complicated isn't it? I think so and and the noises coming out of Brussels and this is part of the Daily Express Pace. This morning is that the European Union seems to be preparing for Nigel Brexit as well This is the first time that we've seen such a a stock statement by Michel Barnier the negotiated that this is what this might come. Up until now, the you have basically talked about the the no deal option as completely off the table as an absolute impossibility will that the EU tone on this say seems to be changing I think a real sense that perhaps when it boils down to it, this is what the Johnson government really wants that they want an ideal brexit have for all of the talk of doing deals. The last few years, what they want is this completely. Unregulated economic situation that Nigel Brexit a would deliver an and then that's the kind of thing that really fits with the ideology of of this British government at the moment. So it it does seem like the no deal possibility is is looming ever-larger. What's interesting though is, of course, a lot of people are talking better called. Brevard it popped up in the evening standard last week and it's floating around in Lamont at the moment which is. The moment when you have that perfect storm of Brexit and Covid, and there's a suggestion that because of covid the the brexit negotiations could actually be forced into agreement because you have a bigger fire to fight. So sort of clears your head when it comes to the other stuff. Yes I've also seen these reports of and this is much more favorable rating I guess on the current situation I think unfortunately, there's a more negative reading of this which is that. Covert may provide exactly the kind of covid the Tories want for the no deal brexit that. The undoubted economic disaster that would come from an ideal brexit can be covered by the narrative that look you know we were heading towards this. Economic Wonderland if only the BREXIT had allowed us at the kind of thing that we were looking for but but cove got in the way and completely undercuts at grand plans and and so I think the other narrative is that covert is giving the Tories. The kind of cow die wants to get to this completely unregulated brexit scenario that I think many many members of the Tory party wants at the moment CICADA making this worse. I. Think.
Immigrant pride in Britain
"Trevor Phillips talked about a sense of mission creep in diversity and heroin Hera Dane distinguished between power and influence, arguing that the trump and Johnson were in power. Many of our institutions were influencing against him. Scroll back after this episode to hear the first part of this twin podcast on Johnny Gould's Jewish state. Today Catherine, verbal on the unifying goal of Britishness for those of US lucky to live here and Nyah philomen Iman on how humanity and its possibilities should always be counted about identity. Listen for those who are willing to listen. This is Johnny. Gold's Jewish state of Richard Kim joked with me. The Jews actually more patriotic than the general population. I mean most Jews. I've met in this country. Patriotic, the most non rights hunter, yes, and if you you just you just take for example in a synagogue on Friday A. Press for the Queen and their press listeners now. Donna very much doubt you'll find those in the church. Of England and multi million selling record producer Trevor Horn quoted Leviticus Jewish faith, it says seek the Fortune on. Successive the city to which you have. No I think that's I think that's the way. That's what they do. Jews try and make things better that. The country and and they you know the gross like you separate religion. You need them to help with an. Amazing Resource. You know scroll back for these two amazing views earlier. You'll have expressed today which chimed from within Jewish family. Catherine Bob I'll saying came to prominence ten years ago. When at that is conservative? Party conference speaking support the Party's education policies. She slated a culture of excuses of low standards are see bureaucracy and the chaos of classrooms because it keeps poor children poor. After huge rows and barriers put up in front of her. As she confronted a prevailing culture, she sets up the Michaela Secondary, school in Wembley. Her pupils read five. Shakespeare plays in three years that told a culture of kindness which includes helping each other and their families and offering adults there seats on buses in the tube. She also has an incisive word about how black a nation kids are subtly told, then, not British. Do you feel you've had to prove yourself more than most because of your philosophies on education? Yes we take a slightly different way of doing things. God behavior got teaching methods got the ethos, and so it's been a bit of A. Bite to persuade people that this is an option that's worth trying may now with our outstanding off stead, and with our grizold Jesus last year. It seems pretty obvious that this is a a valid way of doing things. But when we started, it was far from being valid. People thought we were a bit crazy frankly to to be doing what we were doing. There is a prevailing wind in education. Still blows against you, Catherine sued. You still are people. They're trying to trip you up all the time. If there are any sort of dropping of standards, I know, that will be disciplined, standards are central to your ethos, but but there's a lot of people not on your side. Yeah, that's true although I have to say many of them have owned by the wayside over the years and not I do feel in a way. Many of them have just given up because we kept on going and it is hard to. To argue against the school that is giving city children chances that they wouldn't otherwise have had. That's teaching them so well. They're you know they really are just defying all the expectations, and also we get over six hundred businesses every year. Mainly Teachers Knoll is teachers. Say My goodness. They're so well behaved. They're so curious there so independently minded. They're so nice, you know. The children are just nice, so when when you got anecdotal evidence like that and you've also got kind of data that shows that we're doing very well. It is hard to argue against it so. People who do argue against it tends to just be. Personal attacks. You know they just don't like me or they don't like. Is They? Don't like school. Stands for an tend to say things like all. No, not at school again. They don't really have any off because there are no arguments, so they dislike as without. Prejudice basically
‘Russian influence in the U.K. is the new normal,’ Parliament's report concludes
"Russia meddled in our 2016 presidential election. Did the Kremlin do the same in the 2016 Brexit vote in the UK Correspondent Tom Rivers tells us a new report says maybe hands with many political committee reports here. This one is inconclusive. Parliament's Intelligence and security Committee concludes it would be difficult, if not impossible to prove allegations that Russia sought to influence the referendum. It adds. It's also clear that the government was slow to recognize the existence of any such threat. Reports been collecting desk for months. Critics have claimed the delay was meant to shield Prime Minister Boris Johnson and its conservative party from embarrassment. The report did assert that British political groups, cultural institutions, PR firms in realestate agents became unwitting agents of the Russian state. When you qet politicians allowed wealthy Russians who have strong ties to the Kremlin to gain unfiltered influence and access to thumb
UK's Johnson struggles to shift attention from aide's trip
"British prime minister Boris Johnson's plans to announce further looked on easing measures have been overshadowed by an outcry over the movements of a senior aide who allegedly flouted restrictions imposed during the corona virus pandemic conservatively the Johnson is standing by adviser Dominic Cummings who drove two hundred fifty miles from his London home to his parents house while he was infected with the virus Johnson told a news conference on Sunday that Cummings acted responsibly legally and with integrity but many Britons so the trip was a clear breach of the government's national stay at home order Cummings was heckled with coals of hypocrites as he returned to his London home Sunday several lawmakers from Johnson's Conservative Party have drawn opposition politicians in Corning for Cummings resignation so shockingly London
UK sent coronavirus tests to United States for processing: minister
"Reports of difficulties with increasing the number of tests done and reliable testing kits have not been uncommon during this corona virus pandemic but there's been some disquiet here in the UK after it emerged that about fifty thousand coronavirus test samples had to be sent to the United States for processing because of problems here well let's speak to our political correspondent rob Watson rob Britain now has the second highest number of virus related deaths in the world so this latest problem with the testing must be an embarrassment it is and I would put it this way media I think it's a moment of maximum risk for the government so I'm what I mean by that is that pulling numbers opinion polling numbers have been holding up really well for the government and I am for Boris Johnson since this crisis started but they have been on the way down and of course there have been questions about the protective equipment for frontline health workers and of course particularly about testing and people will remember that the government made a huge deal of this idea that it was going to carry out a hundred thousand tests today by the by the end of April beginning of may they sort of just about manage that but clearly by by some jaggery poker eighth I think people would say and so now it's a now for it to be revealed the fifty thousand tests were done last week in the United States not in the U. K. I think it chips away at that key ingredients so vital for governments and that is trust and after seven weeks of restrictive measures in the U. K. there's a major announcement expected later this evening by the prime minister Boris Johnson what should we look out for us and again there is an awful lot riding on this and Mister Johnson hasn't been particularly visible since he came back from his near death scrape himself with the virus I think what we're looking for is really what what politicians have to do everywhere in the world which is that sort of half full balance between saying how do we keep people safe how do we how do we prevent the spread of the disease or in this case here a second peak how do you balance that against economic collapse now we're expecting the prime minister so on the side of caution that will please some but not all of us I mean it's worth remembering that make many of his own governing Conservative Party a very very uncomfortable about this continuing lockdown and there is unease about the message is expected to unveil stay alerts control of our save lives with a lot of people thinking what on earth does
"conservative party" Discussed on Front Burner
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"conservative party" Discussed on Front Burner
"When we started out in January it felt like McKay was like the anointed leader here. But I understand that now. This race is quite a bit. Tighter the fundraising numbers are not hugely different. And the number of donors for Aaronow tools actually more than Peter Mackay. So he's getting more or less money but for more people than Peter Mackay so what it tells me and money is not everything in politics. I've learned that the hard way through through trying to predict various other leadership raises an in and even ones but it is. It does give us a picture of the kind of support that each candidate is going to draw and it sounds like You know a tool has more donors. He has some gain and I think the assumption had been going in and understandably so that Peter Mackay could this could be a cakewalk He was by far the most recognizable name probably not just within conservative but outside of conservative circles as well thanks to his time in parliament Air Tool is a recognizable name. I feel like to me and to a lot of people who watch my show. But I don't know if that was necessarily the case outside of that audience to a certain degree But this shows that he has a pretty a pretty good campaign and that he will give Peter Mackay a run for his money and that has also changed the dynamics I think of the way in which the race is unfolding. Why do you think we've seen McKay slip so much you know I? I know that there are plenty of people who will say that there have been multiple missteps. I'm thinking an interview that you did with Peter. Mackay serve in March right at the end of March about about the pandemic. Yeah he had this really weird day where he decided to kind of blast out on twitter or his staff did a whole host of of tweets. About why the conservative leadership race had to go on and remember back to the end of March where we were just at the press. Like just at the beginning of all of this right. It was two weeks before that all the flights had been can't people were told not to travel and we were just in the thick of all of this and so people were feeling Scared about their health again. Worried about paying the bills. There were very few announcements yet. About how the government would help them and income Peter Mackay's sort of going on and on about why the conservative leadership race needs to happen And it was just sort of an odd moment. It just didn't feel like the person I'd interviewed for example me many times before. I want to start off asking you. I was looking through your twitter feed today and in the last. I think it's six hours. You've tweeted five tweets about focused on this race and how you believe that it should proceed at a time when Canadians on mass are losing. Their jobs are worried about their health. Worried about losing their loved ones. Is that the right call. World Democracy doesn't take a nap or doesn't sleep and just like the media who are continuing to cover this story. Leaders of the opposition and members of the opposition have an important role to play to hold the government to account to push forward with ideas constructive ideas but eventually I think it's important to note that in in World War One World War Two in the Great Depression we had elections. We actually had elections take place The most the height of democratic exercise it. It didn't really add up and I I'm sure there was a strategy behind it. It didn't work out in the end. The has been delayed. They won't vote until the end of August. Now it's going to be all male in that kind of thing but I think that again that kind of stuff leaves an impression now. I can't predict what conservative voters are going to think and I don't know if necessarily McKay has even slept necessarily think he's getting bad. Press for a bunch of mistakes but he still is the front runner. He still has raised the most money and I think his name is still the most recognizable but whether he can manifest that or turn that into a solid victory. I think depends on what happens over the next few months and how he ends up running this campaign.
"conservative party" Discussed on Front Burner
"He's like it's perfectly okay to have your views on that but like let's not let the competition sort of frame us as all about that and she got really mad about that and and made sort of an ad saying he's telling us not to talk about this stuff which is really important to us. We've been accused of that in the past as conservatives having a hidden agenda I think the more pragmatic approach is to tell people exactly what you intend to do and That's not exactly what Peterman hey was doing. But that's how she put it forth to her supporters and certainly it seemed to resonate at the time with those who lean more socially conservative on the spectrum in the party Derek Sloan also a socially conservative candidate. He's one who came out. Probably the only person I could find who came out early in support of another Guy Richard Day curry who is sort of running for leadership. Who's extremely extremely you know. Set some really controversial things. Vote being gay and said it was a choice and Derek. Sloan was one of the guys who said okay. He's he's allowed to say something like that While so many other conservatives were saying this guy should not be allowed to run for the leadership lately Derek. Sloan probably more than anybody else has been garnering headlines for some stuff that he said about The chief public health officer in this country doctor treated him one of the issues with Justin Trudeau's handling of this situation has been his reliance on the advice of two recent Tam Tam Right and so tell me a little bit more about what happened there. So in this era of You know their leadership race being on and them trying to make money Derek slowing put out or fundraise Derek. Sloan put owed An email blast and then video that went alongside it in in that he jumped off of what has been a more general conservative. Critique of the federal government's actions during all of this and that is that the federal government vis-a-vis public health officials and federal public health officials has trusted too Too much the. Who the World Health Organization and in? Turn The W. H. O. Has Been Too trusting of the information and the data coming out of China and that is not just a critique being leveled in this country of course this is right around the world right now but he took it a step beyond the critique. We had been hearing so far from the Party and he called into question. Dr Tam's loyalty to Canada. He said WHO does she work for Canada or China. Right Dr Tam was born in Hong Kong? She's an immigrant to this country I it's a dual loyalty trope. That has often been used with racist connotations. In particular anti Semitic connotations lots of members of his caucus condemn those comments. Andrew Scheer took awhile currently leader. The party took a while but eventually condemn them as well right and and how did the two front runners respond to these comments? Sloan made Peter McKay and air tool by and large. They've been pretty silent on it They haven't really come out and said Derek should not have said this. Derek Sloan should not be using tropes that are widely identified as racist The only other background or I don't know how you say but but like behind the scenes drama is that in particular Sloan's Ontario Conservative colleagues caucus colleagues. They had this big conversation about forcing him to apologize right. They wanted him to apologize for this. They were considering kicking him out of caucus if there was a a means a mechanism to be able to do and apparently the only two people who weren't in favor of of process like that taking place or vote or anything were Derek. Sloan one of them and the other was Erin. O'toole what is Oh tool trying to accomplish there? I have no idea to be completely honest. I'm not sure I think you know. There's a a framework for what you can understand. As an as his competitor it would be almost a conflict of interest. Perhaps some could see it as if you vote to kick one of your competitors out of Caucus. I think there is a lot of pressure though on both tool and McKay to articulate a position on this. I mean it's died down a little bit but for a good week and a half. This was a big issue for the Conservatives in other other caucus colleagues like took no time to come out and say very clearly that that should not have been said. I should note. Also that Derek slow never did apologize specifically he did say I you know I could have rephrased. It could have said something different. He insists that he wasn't being racist. He says it was just a rhetorical question. I'm Keith Macarthur. Unlocking Bryson's brain is a podcast about my son. The rare disease that keeps him from walking talking. He bryson's perfect. His life is really hard and our families. Search for a cure. Oh My Gosh. Maybe science is ready for this. It's part memoir part medical mystery. Do just about anything modifying. Dna Heart in my route is controversial. Unlocking Bryson's brain subscribe. Wherever you get your podcasts. A few questions for you about Peter Mackay so I mean you mentioned before that lesson. Lewis slammed him for him saying that the Conservative Party was focusing too much on these social conservative issues and. I can't remember that last October. After the election McKay really called out. Andrea Sherr for letting the campaign debate. Focus on these socially conservative issues like abortion. Lgbtq rights people did not want to talk about women's reproductive rights. They didn't WanNa talk about revisiting. The issue of same sex marriage and yet that was thrust onto the agenda and hung around Andrew shares neck like a stinking Albatross quite frankly. He called them stinking Albatross around shares neck. No He's been relatively silent on this issue with Derek Sloan. And then very recently. He took aim at a tool over his support of a bill that support transgender rights. He called it a bathroom. Bill right yeah. And that's that's a very big way like that has been described in the past. I'm not saying Peter. Mckay is but but certainly the use of that was meant to be to denigrate transgender people when this bill was being debated when this issue is up for debate in the House of Commons years ago He eventually walked back calling it that. It was in another one of those e mail blasts but it immediately got the attention of a number of conservatives in themselves were saying. What's this you know? Why would this just be thrown out there Walked it back? He said that he didn't really realize I guess. And I'm paraphrasing again here but realize the the the the way the connotation of the term Again said that it was. You know staffers that that that did that but once he talked to Lgbt Q members of his staff. He realized that the use of the term was was not a good move type rate. And the idea being here. I know this bill was about you know making it. Essentially a hate crime to discriminate against transgender people. And then critics of this bill or basically making this about how you know people could sneak into. Unisex bathrooms and so people were saying this kind of like a dog whistle from Mackay to these more socially conservative elements in the party. If you look up from above at the race and you're trying to figure out where this thing is going where it's being. It is a big switch because if you think after the election the idea they were trying to get away from the idea that they were ultra social conservative right that they had to expand to an appeal to more voters outside of their central base. And you heard Peter Mackay talk about marching in pride parades. That was supposed to happen the day. After for example the original vote was going to take place in June and things have really moved and this is emblematic. I think of that and I know that he says you know it was a mistake. And and and he's walked it back. But this stuff. Like ticks away right and it creates an impression. I wonder if you can help me out with that Because I've been having a hard time wrapping my head around it. It feels like things have changed much with this. Pandemic people are losing their jobs and they're worried about their health. And are these candidates these guys talking about the things that people care about right now. Are they meeting people where they are? I think it's a great question and I think it's actually to give them a bit of sympathy. It's a difficult thing to do if you're any opposition party but also if you're running to be the leader of an Party. I think about the level of support right now. I have never witnessed in my lifetime for governments of all stripes but the government period whether provincial or federal and then you think about trying to navigate that trying to figure out how do I highlight my positions without being overly partisan because people don't have a big appetite for that but how do you not be overly partisan in a race to become the leader of the official opposition. It's not a race to become the prime minister at this point. A really important point here. We're talking about the conservative leadership race and and basically what seeing here is that you know. Maybe this is one of the reasons why they're getting stuck on some of these issues..
"conservative party" Discussed on Front Burner
"Has she? Hi Jamie thank you so much for joining me today. So the other week this calendar invite popped up on my computer. Reminding me the conservative leadership debate. And I know that you and I were supposed to be covering it at the Metro. Toronto Convention Center and of course. Of course that did not happen. That did not happen. But I'm really glad to have you here to catch up today and also. This is my last episode for a while like maternity leave on Monday so I'm also very happy that you are my guests for a bit. I am honored to be your final against Jaime it makes my entire week. I'm so happy to be with you and also I'm really GONNA MISS. You Miss Youtube but I will be tuning into our in politics okay. So let's get rolling. The field is a lot smaller than it was when we talk last time pre pinned on a number of candidates dropped out at the end of March. And now we're down to four so front runners Peter McKay and Erin. O'toole we've talked about them quite a bit on the show before why marital tool and I'm running to the night conservatives on the path to victim that's why I'm standing here today again to announce my candidacy for the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada. And then Leslie Ann Lewis and Derek Sloan. Derek Sloan Conservative Party came to leadership candidate. Hello my name is listen. Lewis and I'm reading or the leader of the Federal Conservative Party of Canada. Let's talk about Louis. Sloan because not everyone might be super familiar with them Can you tell me a little bit more about each of a? Yeah I sure can so let Lewis. runs her own law firm. She's got a PhD in law as well as a master's in environmental science both she and Derek Sloan are from the socially conservative wing of the Party. I had the chance to interview Miss Lewis once in. I would say so. You know she. She definitely tries to distinguish herself from O'Toole and from Peter Mackay and present herself as the as a social conservative compared to them. She's also more on. Like almost like libertarian. End of things in that. She's big on free speech. The thing she went after McKay for was when he In a speech once said you know let's not in a paraphrase. Let's not focus on All the stuff that gets us into trouble so talking about abortion that kind of thing how article one.
Aid programs, partisan politics and the path forward: A dispatch from Ottawa
"To Parliament Hill to get a sense of how the aid packages for Canadians have evolved. Since they were first announced. What's available now? What might or might not become available in the future and of course to see if our MP's have figured out the mute button yet. I though I will mute Claire so that she can give you everything. You need to be up to date today. Canada's Chief Public Health Officer Dr Teresa. Tam says the spread of Cova. Nineteen is slowing in Canada. But the number of deaths is on the rise and she says that's because of outbreaks at long term care homes more than three quarters of the deaths are linked to those facilities. She also talked about testing capacity two weeks ago. She said she believes the country could do sixty thousand tests a day but lately Canada's been averaging twenty eight thousand tests a day she says provinces can help by extending the criteria for who can get tested British Columbia's laid out some plans for easing restrictions around Kovic nineteen starting next weekend. The province is allowing group gatherings of more than six people as long as no one is showing any symptoms of the virus. Also this month. Some businesses in BC will be allowed to reopen including hair salons retail stores museums libraries and some restaurants Dr Bonnie Henry the Provinces Health Officer says BC has put the brakes on the outbreak. But they're not through it yet and Antero Premier Doug Ford says the provinces moving with cautious optimism in the reopening of garden centres nurseries and hardware stores. Ontario's still not technically in its first phase of restarting the economy which was outlined a few weeks ago and the emergency orders have been extended until may nineteenth as of Wednesday evening sixty three thousand four hundred and ninety six cases of Cova Nineteen in Canada with four thousand three hundred and fifty seven deaths and I'm Jordan Heath Rawlings and this is the big story. Cormac McSweeney is the Parliament Hill reporter for city news for Rogers Radio and every once in a while for us and he's working from home and so am I so Forgive the toddler noises. But how are YOU DOING CORMAC? I'm doing all right surviving like everyone else's in isolation well and we're not the only ones doing this now so my first question is just tell me how virtual parliament for the first time ever is going. Well it's been interesting. I mean as you know there have been some troubles some growing pains as MP's and the House of Commons tries to switch to this Basically a really large zoom meeting and they're actually using a version of the zoom platform to host all of this So there have been a lot of troubles as people. Try to figure it out. There were connectivity issues where people were losing their connection and that's unfortunately just a fact of life with a lot of Mp's living in rural areas of the country and not having the same Same sort of connection as you would have. Let's say in Toronto or Ottawa? A lot of 'em. Ps You know figuring out the mute button figuring out the translation button as well because every time somebody doesn't hit the right button it seems to have to pause proceedings to try and deal with it but overall. I think it's been working out all right Aside from the technical hiccups that they've had I it seems to be rolling along smoothly in terms of having MP's MP's question The Prime Minister and different cabinet ministers and I will note as well that this is not technically a sitting of the House of Commons. It's technically a sitting of this special Cova Nineteen Committee that involves every MP and the reason why point that out is because there's there's a difference of procedure so we don't have the normal question period where Thirty SECONDS OF FOUR QUESTION. Thirty seconds for an answer instead because it's a committee. Mp's get about five minutes to question. Whatever minister or the Prime Minister And they can ask as many questions within that time period and the rule of thumb. Is You answer? Just as long as the question has gone on for and so it really does allow for a lot more of a substantial debate and a substantial questioning of the cabinet. Because if you WANNA get a lot of information out of a cabinet minister keep your question short and just squeeze as as many as you can with a five minute period. So what is the tone of those questions and this sitting been lake because to an observer it does seem Less like the. We're all in this together tone That we had six weeks ago. You know when all the aid packages were coming together. Yeah you hit it right there You know at the start of all of this. It seemed like there was going to be no criticism for the Trudeau government right away because this was an unprecedented time and unprecedented measures had to be taken but slowly over the last number of weeks. We've seen The Conservative Party. Start this off where they started questioning the programs being put forward by the government and in a very public fashion. I would say that for the virtual sitting themselves. The tone is actually quite different than what we've seen from the news conference as being held by the individual parties the tone on these Virtual sittings in and these. Qna's that are happening is actually quite different. From the grandstanding and showmanship you normally expect out of question period. In fact everyone's a little bit more toned down and there's I it's much more substantial questioning There's a lot more information coming out. And I think that's a great thing It really shows that without the theatrics that we normally get in question period There can be a good conversation to be had between opposing sides in the House of Commons. But outside of the virtual sittings exactly as we were discussing You know there's been more criticism for the Trudeau. Government people are exposing the gaps in some of the programs that have been announced. And we're really seeing the ideological differences for how we should be dealing with this pandemic at this time and the Conservatives have started raising more and more of opposition to the conservatives add to the true liberals rather as every week has gone on. So it'll be interesting to see where we go from here because up until may twenty fifth were working on a system of Just having one weekly in person a in the House of Commons and then to virtual sittings But the Conservatives for awhile now have been pushing for as many as four in-person sittings each week And so as we approach may twenty fifth Towards the end of this month there'll be more conversations between the opposition parties and the government about how we proceed from here because there's still a lot to do and You know June is when normally parliament would break towards the end of June For the summer break but With this pandemic ongoing and with it being such a fluid situation. I imagine we might see some more unprecedented changes to the procedures of parliament as we move forward and continue to deal with with this pandemic.
Boris Returns: British Prime Minister Returns to Work
"The British prime minister Boris Johnson is back at work on two two weeks convalescence following hospital treatment for coronavirus which included three days in intensive care his re emergence into public life comes at a time when there is pressure from within his own party I'm from business leaders to ease locked restrictions and reopen the economy but speaking outside his London residence number ten Downing Street Mr Johnson said he would resist that pressure the risk of a second outbreak was too great well I know it is tough I want to get this economy moving as fast as I can but I refuse to throw away all the efforts and the sacrifices of the British people and to risk a second major outbreak and huge loss of life and the overwhelming of the NHS what is because the Markham Rifkind a former British Foreign Secretary of served in the cabinets of Margaret Thatcher and John Major how significant in his view was Boris Johnson's return to work a Downing Street today well the government's work to perfectly well but it would say it's a very good coincidence in the sense that he is physically able to be back in the harness just as the government has to reach a decision on the fundamental question of the future of the lock out and whether we can ease the country's traditions of that is the sort of decision that really requires the prime minister's involvement as well as the cabinet as a whole do you see him as being a changed man in terms of his attitude towards the lockdown I mean he is said to it to be instinctively a libertarian and may be reluctantly embraced the lockdown but ten seems to have changed his mind I'm not sure that he's changed his mind and I think you you know you did never declared somebody with his views the same would apply to almost anyone who was prime minister is very reluctant to introduce a lock down which means the curtailment of people's civil liberties for an indefinite period of time that's a huge decision so I'm not surprised that there was a reluctance to do it until it became necessary once you've got it obviously the details different but the difficulties are not that different having got the status quo have beginning to see the policy working it's getting old in the right direction so you you then have to take that crucial decision and it's not an easy one so I'm not surprised that in his remarks today from ten Downing Street Hey he was reminding people we have to go but it gorgeous day he did not rule out of any early easing the law card I still believe that's what's likely to happen but he wanted to make sure that people just didn't assume that everything that was going to go back to normal it over the next few days of the next week because but undoubtedly his own experience of the corona virus must have changed his approach is attitude I'm not sure it would change his view on policy I am as a person of course you can find see your death in the in the in the face baited realize how your life's a tottering by somebody's uncertain their expectations without that having an impact on you as a customer but they they it if you've never got coronavirus the kind of decision you'd be having to take the day and my guess is is attitude to how we deal with it would not be very different to what we're saying there is that it would appear quite a debate going on within the Conservative Party as to the speed at which the actor lockdown should be eased well this is the big day out in the country is not peculiar to the Conservative Party are good members of parliament applies to all of us to price for you and me and every citizen of this country and now we are sitting most of the western countries I have begun a lot yeah I know in that case most of the day but with the the damage done by the virus began earlier I said since since not surprising there are beginning to ease up slightly earlier but the government said commitment at the moment is that the current restrictions continue for another ten days that is actually quite useful because over these ten days not in it does the government have the experience of what is happening in those countries that have already used to log in it also provides more time to be certain that the downward trend of the virus which we have seen now since April the eighth is continuing I may be going more slowly than we would like but it's all in the right direction will be another week closer to this be certain of that is the case and that's likely to be what happens but it also it it gives the government the time it needs to work out how you implement to the easing that they're almost certainly consider it I mean for example that people are getting back to work A. each industry is different as to the ways in which you can ensure social distancing what is going to be the best no people in terms of contact omitted with their families with the close friends is not just the in principle is that going to be eased but how could it be done what about the particular circumstances people mostly very very elderly people who are also people with serious illnesses are serious underlying health problems these are all issues of the to impact on the economy in matters of that kind so I'm not surprised you will want to take advantage of the next week Sir you remember some modicum of lady Thatcher's cabinet when the van health secretary Joe mole spoke of a move to a health care system based on private insurance similar to the American model it's seven it's difficult to imagine such an idea getting any traction today isn't it well yes but it was equally difficult in the government the just believe that was gonna happen and the government of John Major in which I served or the governments of the David Cameron or Theresa may we do have a healthy private sector in the relation to health it is a significant part of the health system but it also works very closely with an NHS indeed at this very moment quite a number of private hospitals are being used with their agreements by the NHS in order to quarantine people who have problems other than growing the virus from going into hospitals where they might get infected from the virus as well the former British Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind speaking to be before taking his daily constitutional walk in central
British Prime Minister Johnson tests positive for virus
"The British prime minister Boris Johnson put out a two minute video announcing that he has been tested and have he is not positive for corona virus hi folks I want to bring you up to speed something that's happening today which is it I developed models symptoms all the corona virus that's to say a temperature and a a persistent cough and on the advice of the chief medical officer I've taken a test that is come out positive side I am working from home I'm so fly slating and that's entirely the right thing to do dot DNA dot that I can continue thanks to the wizardry of modern technology to communicate with all my top team to lead the national fight back against corrosive are so I want to thank everybody who's involved I want to thank the schools above all our amazing NHS strong it was very moving last night to join in that national crop of the NHS but it's not just the NHS it's our police our social care workers teachers everybody who works in schools D. W. P. star an amazing national effort by the public services but also by every member of the British public who's volunteering credible response six hundred thousand people have volunteered to take part in a great national effort to protect people from the consequences of crane of awesome thank you I would think everybody who's working to keep our country going through this epidemic and we will get through it and the way we're gonna get through it is of course by applying the measures that you have heard so much about and the more effectively we all comply with those measures the foster our country will come through this epidemic and the foster we'll we'll bounce back says thank you to everybody who's doing what I'm doing working from home stop the spread of the virus from household to household that's the way we're going to win we're gonna beat it I'm gonna be six together stayed home protect the NHS and save lives the video by British prime minister and leader of the Conservative Party Boris
Chryl Laird, "Steadfast Democrats: How Social Forces Shape Black Political Behavior"
"I'm Jen Taylor skinner. And this is the electorate on this episode. I have a conversation with Cheryl Laird. Shirl laird is a professor and political analyst who specializes in race and ethnic politics and political psychology and she joins me to discuss new book titled Steadfast Democrats. How SOCIAL FORCES SHAPE BLACK POLITICAL BEHAVIOR? She Co authored the book along with Ishmael White and if they analyze historical data to better understand why black Americans by far the most unified racial group in American politics and our conversations share laird and I draw parallels to the historical examples from the book and we correlate them to more recent political events. Like of course the Democratic primaries instance. This is a book that I personally will have to read more than once. It's that important. So without further ado here is my conversation with Cheryl. Layered sure leered welcome. Welcome to the PODCAST. Thank you for having me you know. I just have to say when I was reading this book as a black woman. It was really interesting because I was basically reading an analysis of my own political behavior. And I've never actually read it examined in this way. It was really strange for me to read this. And because I don't think that much about my own political motivations right like I think about policy but I don't think you know why Democrat. Why have I always been a democrat? Why do I never question right and that was really interesting for me yet? No I think That's literally what are trying to do with this book and we also are african-american and I'm trying to speak from experience of understanding politics in a particular way And often I think the literature thus far in some of the fields of political science sociology and other areas where they examine behavior and even in this case political behavior. We haven't really seen something that takes on this kind of question And particularly like wire wiser people doing this thing The way that they're doing it and we're able to really tackle it in a political science sort of way but a lot of it is based off of our own lived experience as African Americans and understanding that politics works differently. Yeah and so. The thing is the open. The Book Win Alabama Senate Race Between Doug Jones Roy Moore. We all remember that race for some really terrible reasons because of the allegations around. Roy Moore but what? I think what keeps happening elections like this. Is that people try to analyze and predict a black voter behavior. Right they have all. These assumptions aren't right. And then what happens? Is that black voters in surprising them like they did in this election. I think ninety eight percent of black women voted for Doug Jones then it was following that when Tom Perez made this statement online that Blackman backbone of the Party and I think that was the first time that someone at that level of leadership the head of the DNC made a declaration like that and acknowledged that publicly. I think that that's that's right. It's like it is. It is clear that the partisan norm is very strong. The loyalty to the Party is incredibly significant. And in this defining to the Party itself and its success in numerous elections and I think the Alabama election would just put that into high relief. A you're just able to really see that at work and black women being like the people at the front lines of it not only in the voter box but also on the ground like they were the ones shepherding. The grassroot efforts on the ground they were the ones behind a lot of the the poll souls to the polls or gathering people up to get them to go vote informing people about what was going on And so they are. They're they're doing that work for the Party and often just getting knowledge for it. So what actually happened in that race? Why wasn't it as predictive as people? Thought? Alabama is typically. A red state was at the mobilization on the ground that happen in the context of the election right so we have two individuals Roy Moore and Doug Jones and Roy Moore has especially this incident that comes up about Some sexual impropriety. Right like this situation of pedophilia as part of the conversation. But I also think part of the reason why people didn't see it coming is that the speaks a lot to the data that gets collected that goes into the predictive models of elections. Which is the sample sizes often in those data are very small when it comes to the African American sample And so if you do not have very good. Data data that is large in terms of the size of the black sample. That's in it. Additionally that is broad in that it's not just focused in any one location but is spread across sets of black communities the predictive nature than of what you're going to get from that data is not going to be right. Like a selection bias can create a problem with that Additionally I think people also don't know of some of the resources that African Americans are often dealing with in this case if we look at in political science the way that African Americans participate in politics all of the indicators that we typically use things like education level income on all typically are things that would say what is likely for someone to participate. African Americans have to make up for all of that because they're very resource deprived especially in a place like Alabama. And so what you then have to rely. On our black institutions black churches black colleges like organizations became the frontline for trying to mobilize people and again most types of tapping of that information through polling or through other forms of assessment. If you don't know about that you wouldn't know where to go. Look for it and so people did it. They did it not go look there. They didn't know that people would be energized. In this election. With these circumstances that play to get themselves out to vote and at the partisan role of that vote would matter so much right. Did you think that's true? Nationally that black people are underrepresented in polling. Generally I think they are. I think that's how you get often. Polls for instance. I remember not too long ago. The president had cited to a poll where he said he thought he had a whole bunch of black people who are supportive of Ham radio or something like thirty percent of black people saying they were okay with Donald Trump. The mmediately my thought was I need to see the data because I want to know where the poll was taken. Is this a random? Sample poll is a poll that is targeted to black communities. Are you targeting? This poll to black people at a certain location like what's his taken at a convention of some sort like all of that would matter because it's going to skew the data and if you're not attentive to this in the sampling that you're doing and waiting the sampling and the size of it so often times really. It has to do with the size of the sample often in a poll of maybe a thousand or thirteen hundred people in terms of African Americans that are in that sample. You'll be lucky if you see a hundred people in it well enough when you're talking about about black political ideology and I think another thing that's misunderstood about. The black voting block is just how conservative they are like socially conservative in a lot of ways and I think it's because there's this confusion around. We are generally in allegiance to a non Conservative Party. No I think that's right. I think because we think of ideology and political science typically the conservative Liberal ideology spectrum that we have is used heavily to predict partisanship and in most literature which is often used basically assessing white Americans. What we find is that people's ideology very predictive of their partisanship especially in a polarized environment for African Americans. It's different right and I think part of that has to do with how ideology works for African Americans. Black people are very politically diverse in their views. Say That again why he very click over to the partisan behavior needs to be thought about much more from a strategic advantage at the group is trying to do to be able to minority group in majority system and having a voice but people have varying opinions and a lot of people are very conservative. Especially on things like social conservatism fiscal conservatives on religiosity often as a driving force and we know from data especially from Pew Research Center. They find the African Americans as a racial group are some of the most strongest actors when it comes to their role engagement of religious institutions and those religious institutions are also African American. Right like this is like Martin Luther King talking about the most segregated day of the week is Sunday right. Like that is where they are. And it still is true. So conservatism manifests differently. For Blacks and ideologically. It also is very shaped by race. Where the goals of what people are leaning into in terms of their ideology could have a lot more to do with what they believe is important for trying to improve the status of the group even if they are varying in how they believe one would try to approach that but at the end of the day the partisanship though is done. In a manner that is trying to elevate the voice of the black community And political power in a space where we are a majority based system the one of the things. That's really interesting about that is that it's almost subconscious right. We don't necessarily like myself. I don't think necessarily my role in this larger picture of what we're trying to do collectively but we just we just do it. We just do it. I mean it's interesting because when we presented on this before we like to use this episode of black ish again. I think it's like elephants in the room. Or something to that effect about their son Junior Andrea. Both junior decided that he wants to join the young. Black Republicans Club at school. Or something and Andre is stunned and he's trying to explain it as family members and they all can't understand see China explaining to bow Chinese to his mother And they're both like what do you mean? He wants to join a republic. He wants to be like he wants to be a the Republicans like the League. Keep he wants to go to Banana Republic and buy clothes like they can't even process it because you're right it is become such a partly to be black is to Democrats and people who seem to be different from that are seen as strange right But I think it speaks so heavily to how long this norm of collective group race behavior has been informing black political behavior over
Six Nations: Andy Farrell 'happy' after Ireland win over Scotland
"The US secretary of state Mike Pompeii and has had bike strongly at accusations of the United States no longer believes in the international community addressing the international security conference in Munich he took issue with the German president Frank voter Steinmeier's opening remarks about an American retreat from global cooperation Mister Pompey essay did nothing could be further from the truth paraphrasing Mark Twain he said the death of the trans Atlantic alliance have been grossly exaggerated the foreign ministers of China and the Vatican have met in Germany and was believed to have been the highest level talks between the two sides since the establishment of the people's Republic of China seven decades ago is Roger Wilco when he and arch bishop pull gonna comment on Friday on the sidelines of the security conference in Munich both are said to have expressed a desire to build on the recent agreement it said the Vatican should have the final say on the appointment of Roman Catholic bishops Beijing also now recognizes the pope as the supreme leader of the Roman Catholic Church until twenty eighteen Chinese Catholics was split between a state run church and underground institution there is still no diplomatic relations between room in Beijing the pope Francis is said that he'd like to visit China Australian major report same members of the parliamentary committee have scrapped a planned trip to Britain as part of a worsening diplomatic row between the two countries China wholesale is in Sydney in a rare show of disapproval the UK's High Commissioner has reportedly written to the heads of two Australian parliamentary committees to formally protest the leaked details of sensitive talks with Britain's Foreign Secretary Dominique rob during his visit to camber last week according to local media reports the deputy chair of the intelligence and security committee Anthony burn strongly criticized Mister rob he reportedly said to the to allowing China to build bridges five G. telecoms infrastructure was equivalent to letting Russia constructed the parliamentary committee and the high commission of both declined to confirm the reports you're listening to world news from the BBC who the rebels in Yemen say they've shut down a tornado will play belonging to the Saudi led coalition that intervenes in the country's conflict five years ago a rebel spokesman told a Hootie run television station that ground to air missiles down the aircraft in the northern province of Joel the security forces in Mali say eight to the soldiers have been killed and four others injured in an ambush in the central region of cow early at least twenty people were killed in the multi region imbalance between two ethnic groups Molly has been blighted by instability since an Islamist rebellion began in the north in twenty twelve public press sermones involving thousands of monks have been held in Thailand a week after a soldier show dated twenty nine people the killings began when the soldier killed his commanding officer and stole weapons from a military base he was shot dead by the security forces inside the shopping mail researchers in the United States have warned of the psychological and moral dangers posed by the growing availability of sex robots with artificial intelligence the annual meeting of the American Association for the advancement of science was told that agencies were too embarrassed to investigate and regulates the use of the robots hello good reports the number six robots are advertised online including one large sized mannequin that links and sinks it slips as it talks researchers say that they're concerned that such sex robots pose a psychological risky uses Machon real relationships and they also worry that there's a more risk to society by normalizing operant behavior towards the machine for example some robots can be programmed to protest to create a rape scenario the scientists have verged regulators to investigate the risks of A. I. six robots before they use becomes more widespread and that's the baby see news hello this is Max basin and welcome back to the world this week this week has seen a dramatic shift in the political landscape of the Irish Republic general election produce results which few soul coming including apparently the party which came talk in the poll shin Fane I said that because if shin Fane had fielded more candidates they might have found their way to forming a government a little easier as it is shin Fane widely referred to over the last forty years as the political wing of the IRA secured roughly the same number of seats in the Dublin parliament as the two major parties fina Foyle and fina gale Chris page is our island correspondent it was a huge leap significant results really breaking the mold of Irish politics which is held for several generations shin Fiennes surge in the general election means that it's not up there with the two parties that have really dominated government in the country for decades FIFA fourteen FIFA Gail both centrist parties challenged by should fit in which is very much on the left and shin Fane and its leader Marilyn McDonald ready very successfully positioned itself as an alternative to the tea party some she termed as the establishment art fits of Irish politics focusing relentlessly in issues of housing and health but resonated very strongly with the are selected and Sinn fin really remembers a unique political organization certainly close to unique and that it operates in two different countries as well as not being the second largest party in the Irish parliament in Dublin it's also the second largest party in the regional parliament in Northern Ireland towards parts of the devolved government so in terms of its old Ireland's positioning in politics well it's not an extremely significant position and don't very much mainstream certainly in the in the Irish Republic which is an extraordinary transformation fission fame because this was remember interviewing Gerry Adams for example the formation vainly to in Northern Ireland during the nineteen eighties found that sometimes an intimidating affair with his body guards around him and the association with the IRA and now it's about small country the image yes should finish ready in thirty years gone from being a political pariah to a party of governments in Northern Ireland in the party that's challenging for government in the Irish Republican in many ways stop reflects the journey of the Irish Republican movement from guns to government does he say throughout the course of the conflict in Northern Ireland should fit in links to the Irish Republican Army the main part of the trip fighting for Northern Ireland to leave the you can be absorbed into you the Irish Republican took more life than the other group and not very lengthy conflict since the IRA cold cease fire in nineteen ninety four but shouldn't be in Studley increasing its growth in the power sharing government in Belfast in Northern Ireland and noisy positioning itself is the second biggest party in Dublin and very much in the running to be part of the government there should be taken the chin vent itself is been surprised by its own success given that they they could have run more candidates in in Ireland's proportional representation system possibly could have formed a government yes I think that's certainly true shin Fane Philip forty two candidates that's for a hundred and sixty six in total of thirty seven of them were elected night one of the other parties to be during the course of the election **** a few days ago that if Sinn fin had run say twenty more candidates will that of one probably ten more seats so that's a sign shin Fane strategists themselves didn't quite see a surge on this scale coming so not some really old on to the a parliamentary arithmetic if we got a bit of a three way standoff three to four nine for the gill say they're not going to go into a coalition government with should fan because of policy differences on because of the party's pasta associations with the IRA so you have should fade trying to put together a coalition with other smaller left wing parties but even if all of them came on board we still find that particular coalition coming short of the eighty seats they needs to form a stable administration I think we're going to find this whole process taking certainly weeks if not months and it's also very possible but it will be resolved the toll on will be heading back to the polls for another general election and how much of a problem is that for an island to be in the midst of such uncertainty when you know major things are happening around it well certainly the major international challenge Ireland will have over the coming months is the trade talks between the UK and the European Union since what with which our shuttle trip starts in in the aftermath of the U. K. exiting the E. U. so certainly I think everybody in this whole negotiation process in Dublin would agree it's better for Ireland to have a stable governments to lead the country three about process not the last politics is politics the voters are given their verdict not spend we have this very complicated picture on resolving about is certainly not going to be easy Chris page it's not just an island that old certainties are coming under scrutiny this week saw an unusual cloud of uncertainty descend over German politics the woman angler medical had hand picked as her successor and a great crime Kambala or a K. K. resigned as leader of the governing CDU the Christian Democrats the move was raised all sorts of questions about the future direction of German politics as I've been hearing from Damien McGinnis in Berlin this latest crisis was ready Spock's by a local florist see she shows after votes in the eastern German state of Thuringia in which I'm peas in her policy I voted for candidates as premier of that state's also supported by the far right AFP this display needs that she lost control of her policy because one of the big round was going on within the center right CD you is whether to work with the following safety particularly in eastern German states like syringes or whether to keep this firewall gave the far right that we have right now so I KK stepping down as clearly as you say a very poor reflection on the leadership of the CD you but how much of a blow to the party and indeed to angler miracles supposed plans for a succession if anything the struggles of any potential successors show how indispensable under the necklace so personally speaking it hasn't really hits her very hard but what it does to damages under Michael's vision for her policy and for Germany because what time the mac was done what I leading Germany is ready for a policy to the sensor grounds and what's cook conservative critics want to do is really make a center right possible Conservative Party again on this is a big impacts on the country as a whole because this part is the biggest party in Germany it could well be in government next time and the question is is Germany's biggest policy does journeys next government become more conservative I'm potentially one day even work with the far right safety or does it potentially stay in the US and around the maybe even one day from
Angela Merkel’s preferred successor, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, won’t run for chancellor
"German chancellor Angela Merkel's era parents unexpectedly quit her position on Monday plunging her Conservative Party into an even deeper crisis as it struggles to agree on its future political direction and a great crime car about told leading members of the Christian Democratic Union she won't be seeking the chancellor's ship in next year's general election ending locals plans to handed the reins to more than fifteen years in power the announcement follows days of infighting within the party over its handling last week of the election of a state governor regional party lawmakers voted with the far right's alternative for Germany party or AFP to oust the left wing incumbents defying appeals from crime caramba and further undermining her
Germany's Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer Won’t Run for Chancellor
"Angela Merkel's era parents unexpectedly quit her position on Monday plunging her Conservative Party into an even deeper crisis as it struggles to agree on its future political direction and a great crime car about told leading members of the Christian Democratic Union she won't be seeking the chancellor's ship in next year's general election ending locals plans to handed the reins of the more than fifteen years in power the announcement follows days of infighting within the party over its handling last week of the election of a state governor regional party lawmakers voted with the far right alternative for Germany party or AFP to use the left wing incumbents defying appeals from crime caramba and further undermining her
Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer Won’t Run for Chancellor
"German chancellor Angela Merkel's era parents unexpectedly quit her position on Monday plunging her Conservative Party into an even deeper crisis as it struggles to agree on its future political direction and a great crime car about told leading members of the Christian Democratic Union she won't be seeking the chancellor's ship in next year's general election ending locals plans to handed the reins to more than fifteen years in power the announcement follows days of infighting within the party over its handling last week of the election of a state governor regional party lawmakers voted with the far right alternative for Germany party or AFP to use the left wing incumbents defying appeals from crime caramba and further undermining her
New threat to BBC licence fee as Culture Secretary asks if it can remain 'relevant'
"Britain's government announced its considering a change in the way the BBC is funded that would severely dented the coffers of the nation's public broadcaster by minister Boris Johnsons conservative governments which is increasingly at odds with the country's news media said it would hold a public consultation on whether to stop charging people with a criminal offense if they don't pay the annual levy that funds the BBC it gets most of its money from the licence fee paid by every television owning household in the country of around one hundred and fifty pounds all one hundred and eighty euros a year failing to pay can result in a fine only in rare cases a prison sentence in twenty eighteen more than one hundred and twenty one thousand people were convicted and fined for license fee evasion five people were imprisoned for not paying that finds its critics doing too many members of the governing Conservative Party say the BBC funding model is no longer appropriate to the digital media
Ashley Blaker: Goy Friendly
"Talk about some. I'm pretty heavy issues. Israel Iran Patriot of Jews. So our next guest is a pretty big leap for us. Ashley Blaker is Jewish standup comedian. He is the first Orthodox Fox Jewish comedian to be given his own BBC. Show Ashley Blaker. GOYA's guide to Judaism which returned to the air in October. Two Thousand Nineteen. Now he's in New York for his latest off off Broadway. Show Ashley Blaker Goi friendly which premieres at the Soho playhouse. On February third and runs through February twenty third. While his previous off-broadway production strictly unorthodox was tailored for Jewish audiences. This one he says is not just for the Jews. It tells the story of how Ashley's close friendship with Muslim. Comedian Imron on. UCS completely changed his life with antisemitic incidents on the rise around the globe and even here in New York actually hopes to make the audience laugh but also understand stand a little bit more about their Jewish neighbors Ashley. Welcome to our studio. Thank you for having me so I have to ask you right out of the gate. anti-semitism is not funny. So how how do you address that topic with humor. Well the reality is I think he's anything can be funny. So I'll let you come to Louis showing judge whether I make. It isn't about antisemitism. I should say that there is actually a section is a band. Semitism thought. I think the more interesting is the fact that that when antisemitism is on the rise there are two ways of dealing with. This is a way of kind of hunkering down. Just going. We're we're now gonNA stick to ourselves and and try and protect ourselves and put up the security barriers and let's have lots of armed guards on the on the door in social ones bags and all of that stuff all you can kind of outreach. As it were and try and engage with the outside world and that's what my shows about about the latter it's about reaching out to the outside world and in a way this makes wants a comedy show. You know hopefully nonstop funny. Sound sound incredibly dry but Hopefully demystify Judaism a little bit. That's certainly one of the aims. Okay well I would say you could do both right. Do the security see the undercover getting having no security either. All kind of you know very good at that accused but I actually my playbill. I wrote a Performance note and for Bates Him. But I said something about how you know very good dividing ourselves as a as an in one of the things into I enjoy doing you mentioned my show strictly and also those I I love bringing choose together because we figured it kind of separating ourselves in so many different ways you know on the whole joke about the Jewish man who lands on a desert island and he builds two synagogues one ones that he'll go to one that he wouldn't ever be seen dead and that's like what we're like but I do think that there is it is an important time to actually reach out a little bit and we can. I think sometimes certainly not in any way suggesting that we. We are in any way a foot four and symptom of course but I sometimes think that actually being too insular. Isn't that helpful. Listen so now you are from the UK so well the Labor Party. I have to ask you about the Labor Party. I'm afraid But it's often regarded as the political liberal party of choice by many Jews in Great Britain. And I'm curious how you dealt with the last election and whether or not you felt politically homeless as I kept had reading about the Jewish community. There didn't myself but I'm sure other people did and I think that yes certainly in the post for many Jews the Labor faulty will have. I've been there home by just as much as the Conservative Party would be for many Liberal Democrat. We have quite a different political system. Should know to to to the Americans as many but yes I mean. It was incredible. What happened over the last few years and how symtas I'm just rose and seem to not be dealt with toll within the Labor Party in? Yeah it was a terrible thing we still really really been dealt with properly gone away. Yeah I know there were. There were several vile things said many vile things said ed by Labour politicians but then also Jeremy Corbyn himself was talking about the lack of irony that many British Jews seem to have. I don't know if you recall that particular. Yes it was Avia. Yeah it was a video I think from a while ago. Actually but he had yes he had said something. And there's a lot of these kind of allusions I think is because they. They caught clever then. They don't outright. This isn't the foul right then marking the street saying killed the Jews. It's a very allusive. Quite clever thing of of Hinson these particular weight alluding that Jews and Israel inflating the to and to you know the whole talking about antisemitism and anti Zionism also that that things that really came along with the Labor Party and I saw something videos of people saying no no we. We're not intimately to we like the right to choose. I think there's that thing of the good news and the bad news and I think that's a really good. Jews has ones March against Israel and kind of write letters to the Guardian saying that we support Sanctioned bedia smell that kind of thing uh-huh and then the ninety five percent of the badges. I mean that's clearly terrible things so it's been a really dark period and I didn't know it'll be interesting to see in the the next four five years. How things change? Have you tried to address it with humor. There over showed. I just did a toll in opened in in May with my friend Imran you mentioned draymond so imminent. He did a tour together called profit sharing actually breaking news in profit sharing seek clever title. And it's not address head on there are other people addressing this head on and the the truth is the way to look on twitter five minutes especially around the time the election to see that kind of Echo Chamber people. Don't WanNa hear they. You know you you tweet. Something about Labor Jeremy Corbyn and immediately comes back. This prepared list of twenty times. Jeremy Corbyn has both a motion ocean in parliament. That's been helpful to community Blah Blah Blah say. No one listens to each other anymore. People just spout the same thing. So I'm not sure engaging in that kind of way addressing head on is that helpful she because people just don't want to listen right. I'm sure it's the same here with trump and I'm sure there are people who are vehemently say one one thing you don't want to listen to the side. Yes that is. That is a problem that area. So I think that's something we've seen a lot particular around brexit and all these issues as we've had in the UK and the F. But so my show anyway. Mike show look comedy show. That's the the the main PARV. So I'll tell you briefly I mean essence shows. It's about yeah. Tell us about the show but then I also want to hear more about Enron and your friendship so the show about my friend she was Enron said. So that's the kind of I think in film in terms they call that the macguffin. He's kind of you know that you heard that term. I'm not familiar with that. So it's like using the original star wars. I think C. Three Po an onto d two of the macguffin that they're the ones like sent off into onto the desert and enter tattooing. They've got the messages item. Thank you the whole plot revolves from. Then there's no actually about them but it starts from them so in a way money's the macguffin hit because is a true story we're good friends we went untold together. And he's very interested custody my life he didn't know much about Judaism me belly of June. We spent many hours together in the call. He was always drawing because he he's Muslim. Couldn't in claiming been drinking and he's always asked me questions and I kind of wanted to teach him about Judaism. But where do you start. We've got six hundred thirteen commandments. It's too long to the call I didn't want to spend money on guests so I thought well I teach him about the Ten Commandments. And we started looking at the Ten Commandments. And I unrealized. They're not that practical you know he doesn't have an ox next all so there's no need to worry about not coveting it and I so I could. Maybe set myself challenge of coming up with my own ten commandments. That I could be a bit more practical. But they could actually explain what it's like to be an Orthodox Jew in two thousand twenty and in a way. It was my friendship with him. That made me reconsider my Judaism. Because she had I've been living as an Orthodox Jew for the best part of twenty years but it's only when an outside comes along install challenging us at you start having to think about it you start thinking about your love. So that's what the shows about and it's about me going through these ten commandments. My New Ten Commandments. antiquing this to him okay. So do you mind sharing a few of the talk commanded if you're the one of them is thou shalt develop obsessive compulsive disorder okay. She's an integral Paulsville so shoot as But we cover branch of Judy. Check that box right exactly. So we cover a lot of these areas we cover kosher food and living in a Jewish area. We talk about the curse of praying public and this covers a lot of ground really comes a lot of ground in the show and then And then the story I keep finished. The story has a continuation because of how Im- reacted and then what we went off did something together which I don't want to spoil because that's the narrative But it's a pretty funny chairman. I it really is. I'm super proud of it. So you say I did. This show could street Lennox. It was aimed at a Jewish audience. All Jews knock. He's also dogs. Reform Perform Conservative unaffiliated. But Still Jews and I think it's a really. I really wanted to do something. Everyone could cutting joy That would be in a language WIGGs. Everyone can understand but the is serious does not scrimp on the jokes atone. It's the funniest show of ever done this by miles miles because I've already but still called the serious stuff when we do discuss antisemitism and there are some real takeaways well foam it excellent zone. The show's name. Is Ashley. Blaker friendly it's at the Soho playhouse here in New York City from February third to twenty-third. Thank you for joining us. Thank
"conservative party" Discussed on The Big Story
"Climate change policies. are not important and social conservative. Policies are and they tend to be very vocal. Even if they're they're not a huge part of the base. How do you walk both those lines and and do you worry? Worry about alienating Any potential votes so you know no one wants alienate potential votes and you want a national government. So you've got to win seats in Quebec and in Alberta you know on the question of bilingualism You know I I if I can think of of of even French leaders whose whose take credit for example who was vilified in Quebec because they didn't like the way that he spoke the language region. Right you know. It wasn't quite up to their standards. I I would say that. Do Know Within Quebec You know it's it's the population appellation is let's call them a fair minded and generous I think if they see a candidate who was able to who speak to them in French? They can deliver speak speech in in in French You know they can answer some questions in French. Would Not Gotcha questions with if you know you know very complicated and convoluted French. But basically they can get their message across and and what their approach would be to To the issues even if they're or not fluently bilingual but they the people can see you respect the language you respect the culture you respect. The you know the that they've ah the nation The Quebecois Your policies are supportive of that. You're not antithetical to Quebec. I think they would. They would prefer that. For example then a francophone Prime Minister who diminishes Quebec Right. So you know. I don't think Pierre Trudeau has ever been forgiven. For the Patriots of the Constitution or the objections of the government of Quebec. They would have far preferred. You know a a either lingual or a somewhat bilingual Prime Minister who who. Who didn't do that so I think you know the respect Is Is is far more important. And and I think we would see in both Peter McKay and Erin O'Toole tool the efforts that they're making and their capacity and French will be strong enough to To to win support. But if you're GONNA make this a an absolute test that you have to be a francophone with complete and total fluency I think that's you know that in in a in effect is diminishing the pool of people who could become prime minister to to to to to a much narrower pool and and and and it's not in the national interest you know Berta and you know on the far right I mean we we. We've we've seen what happens when they are when they feel alienated And and it's called the Reform Party. When they felt that the government of my Rooney he was too close to echo back? and was you know giving favorable treatment on the opening of contracts to Quebec firm over a Western firm that that planted planted a seed and and and started a fire that led to the Reform Party in the split of the Conservative Movement and Conservatives in Alberta are going to have to ask the question who do you. I want his prime minister. Justin Trudeau Whose policies have clearly been rejected resounding really in You know in the West Or would you rather have a conservative leader who again Has To win. Votes in Quebec has to win votes in Atlantic Canada and Ontario. You're not gonna get everything that you want but you'll you'll have a leader that is more supportive of Alberta And and and and energy development than you would get otherwise and there's a number of things that a conservative leader could do which is to say for example. You know we're GONNA develop resources we are going to build pipelines but the world is transitioning away from carbon based fuels and and the the economy of western Canada overtime is going to need to diversify and we are as a nation going to help western Canada And with that process not just to You know leave you with a tattered economy with with no supports. But you know we'll be a partner along the way to support western Canada. That message might resonate better than than what they're getting today from Justin Trudeau and I guess we we have A few months yet to see how this all sorts of We we certainly do. And and The conversation might change quite dramatically over that great. Thanks for your insight today. My Pleasure Bob. Plamen writes about the Conservative Party. That was the big story. podcast if you'd like more you know by now you really should the big story podcast dot ca or on twitter at big story F. B. N.. We'll always have the links for you there three times a day. And we're in all your podcast feeds at least we should be because you should have by now subscribed and rated us with five stars and reviewed us to tell us what we should be covering. Thanks for listening. I'm Jordan Heath Rawlings. We'll talk tomorrow..
"conservative party" Discussed on The Big Story
"Best vehicle for trying to influence public opinion. You can go outside of political party and join campaign life or you know work through your church or try to influence public opinion that way. But you know you're not going to be successful. I believe leave within the institution of the Conservative Party of of Canada. That's not where your voice be heard but you may have particular views for example on on on on the virtues of family life and the Conservative Party might come forward with for example tax policies. That are quite family friendly that you would support. They give that give you more choice and flexibility in how you organize yourself for childcare where you know. A liberal government might believe in a more institutionalized finalized approach and the conservative government or Conservative Party may take him or a flexible approach that social conservatives would find would find attractive and this would also you know not offend more moderate or Red Tories To have a party that supports traditional family values and and it doesn't offend the sensibilities of mainstream Canada. So you know affect your picking and choosing from within the The perspectives of these various factions across the country to find that sweet spot. I'm not saying it's easy but it certainly possible. I know it's kind of early days as I mean. It's only been a a little more than six weeks. I guess since this Leadership race really started. But from what you've seen so far I guess first of all who were the front runners and that might be kind of obvious but also what are you seeing in terms of lessons learned from the past election as you? You mentioned shears approach so we had this conversation last week. I might assume they're five front runners and and and it was a pretty much of an open contest I you never know who might You between now and and and and the the approaching deadline to register. I just want a candidate who I who am. I also enter the race although it's You know the list of people who are rumored even to be entering is is is shrinking by the by the day it would seem that. There's only two candidates that I can identify that. Have a you know a prospect of building support across the country. And that's Peter McKay and Erin O'Toole And I think the are both I would try to distance themselves. Quite a decidedly from the approach and the style and the tactics that were used in the in the last election campaign notably by by Andrea Sherr and his discomfort with be able to answer very simple straightforward eight for questions on perspective on social issues. So we we saw This week Peter Mackay Go. I would have his his way to declare that he will march in the Gay Pride Parade in Toronto And showing nothing but respect for that community which aligns up in fact with You know he was one of the very few cabinet ministers in the Harper government Who voted to accept accepting and bracing endorse same sex marriage? He was one of only Six at the time. So this is a position that that I think he Has Long held and and was he can eat readily Embrace and be believable on the issue. Erin O'Toole You know came out also with A position that he would march in Gay Pride Parade but he put some qualifiers on it. You you know in terms of how the parade was organized and was able to March so I wonder if you know. He's making the nod to the issue but you know trying to trying to make a To be somewhat cute with social conservatives to say well you know I'm in it but not in an unfettered way or or or maybe not as enthusiastically as Peter Mackay but you can see that both of the leading candidates and I and I think you know we will not see others enter the race Are are are moving on that issue and there will be others Other issues where they're going to be questioned and I would say Climate change would be one of them so far. It seems that the discussion around this race has focused I mostly on the social issues that we just talked about. And Will they be different from Andrew. shears approach approach and then Also just about branding as we saw kind of the rollout videos and and talking about candidates strong because Canadians are strong in that kind of stuff. When do you expect? We'll see that change and the real policy to be discussed and I guess. What do you think the key issues are? That will decide how conservatives choose their leader. When you talk about branding? You're really not I take it not talking so much about the brand of the Conservative Party. You're talking about the brand of leader. Yeah yeah trying to represent their approach and I think that's just absolutely critical That we have leaders. And I'm talking about this this for all political parties who can connect with Canadians. Who can connect with them on an emotional level? You know who take The issues far more seriously than they take themselves. These are people. You'd want to sit down and have a coffee or a beer wealth. There's a sense that they know and understand the country. You WanNa get a sense so their motivations because you can put forward all the policies you want in the world and be very prescriptive about it But as you become prime minister you're going to be faced with hundreds of issues that are not part of your platform that you've never talked about before that events that emerge and you WanNa have an essence of who that person isn't and and what their instincts is are and how they will react. I think that's you know that's more important than you know saying that tax gonNA be at a certain rate or you're GonNa have you know in particular policy on this pipeline versus versus another. So I think to the extent that the the the campaign Reveals who these people are is is as as important or more is more important than the particular policies that come forward now with that. I think they'll want to know what the candidates instincts. Thanks are on on a on a few key policies And always at the top of the list is is You know now that we sort to set aside some hot button issues such as you know. What's your stand on on on gay rights and I don't think that's going to be an issue in this in this campaign But economic the economy is always always number one now. I've argued that candidates in an even leaders in the Conservative Party. Do themselves no favors when they talk about Ideology as What they wanNA bring to Canadians? My view is is you know Canadians want to hear about jobs. They WANNA hear about rising housing incomes. They WANNA hear about income security for the the elderly they wanna hear about. You know a government that has strong finances that can support social systems uh-huh in healthcare in the aged. They're looking for Kitchen table responses to kitchen table issues that the Canadians will feel that they're going to make decisions sounds that are in the best long-term interests of the of the country The environment you're going to be I think front and center you know how do you you deal with. Climate Change. What mechanisms you know? Do you propose as it. A is it. Investments in technology is regulation. Is the taxation You know who is going to pay And within that within the climate change issue is is also energy management so I think the candidates will be expected to talk about about the the oil sands development of the oil sands and pipelines and enabling Canadian Energy Products Attics to to get to two markets. How energy is distributed across Canada from the West to the east? And you know in here in the here. There's you know one of the conundrum zero or one of the perplexing issues is and I've written about this. How do you get people in Quebec? You know who don't want pipelines lanes are the ladder. Canadians are deeply concerned about the environment on the same page as the people who live in Fort mcmurray and and in British Columbia. How you get them all on the same page that that will be a test of leadership that the candidates will be expected? Answer I guess my my last question just in terms of two sides of speaking broadly to all Canadians and connecting with them. There's a couple of things that have come up The first is How does that includes Quebec if the presumptive nominee is not bilingual but also Out Albert aware maybe not even just an Albert but out on the far end spectrum of the right where you know.
"conservative party" Discussed on Front Burner
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"conservative party" Discussed on Front Burner
"Paul Wealth Hi. How are you good thank you how are you doing you know? Does he yes fat. I'm hoping that we can talk today about the conservative leadership race. That started this week. I I I know did this week though. It felt like it unofficially really began the night of the election and ramped up when Andrew Scheer quit as leader back in December and of course he said he because he wanted to spend more time with family in order to chart the course ahead this party this movement needs someone who can give one hundred percent but we also know. He was facing a ton of criticism about his performance performance. In the last election and questions about party money used to send his kids to private school and so what kind of shadow do you think. Andrew Scheer and his performance in the last election cast on this race. I think the Conservative Party finds itself in kind of an awkward place so full of hope after Justin Trudeau turned out to be defeatable opponent and so unsure about how to go about beating him. I heard from other conservatives. As soon as sheer became name the leader in two thousand seventeen that he was essentially a sacrificial lamb that Justin Trudeau was had way too much momentum. That's actually the way people were talking. I I mean two years before the election. He just lost right. People Thought Trudeau is like a two-term majority PM. Yeah and it's a little unfair unfair. In retrospect to say well why the Hell didn't Andrew Scheer win but but a couple of things happen. First of all Trudeau turned out to be an imperfect perfect champion of his own. re-election the deeply flawed leader and the black face incidents during the campaign was only the latest of several examples of that convicted Khalistan terrorists had been invited to the Canadian. High Commissioners Dinner for Justin Trudeau. Daddy this evening. Prime Minister asked me to help out to find a solution here for us. NC exactly how many times have you darkened. You're skiing with make. I share the moments that I recollect elected and so it looked like the conservatives Should be able to beat him. And then There were elements shears campaign that were identifiably poorly executed kid The attack on carbon taxes. I mean conservatives ended up essentially defensive on carbon taxes they were not expecting that And then all the values stuff and simply weird answers you would get whenever you would ask sure about his position on on showing up for pride. Parades there's just lots of different ways support to community and I show my support by I for example participating the historic apology for public servants who are persecuted because of their sexual orientation and so the Conservatives spent two years telling themselves we can't win and it won't be sure's fault if he doesn't win and now they're saying respect boy. We sure should have one and we had better win next time which is very Germane to this leadership race because now they're looking for the person who can win right and who could be the next prime minister. I I want to ask you. There's soon news that came out today. This post mortem that former Foreign Minister John Baird has been working on a apparently. It's done speaking to sources who have spoken with Mr Barrot about this report. We're talking about problems with the party's platform per problems with the party's communication problem with with the party's candidates screening notably John Barrett also also identified the fact that there were too few experienced staffers working on android campaign and too much control centralized in the hands of campaign manager. Hamish Marshall but we're hearing reports that the document is essentially being kept secret kept internal as an internal strategy document. What does that tell you? Well such things normally we are. So for instance. After the two thousand four federal election and very similarly with a reduced liberal mandate but with the Liberals reelected it under Paul Martin we as liberals have lost votes. We have lost good members of parliament Canadians expected and expect more from us both the liberal campaign and the conservative campaign went back to the drawing boards and did these sort of post mortem exercises not only results never released. The fact of that process was never released. The most part most parties don't parade around Discussing their strategy. I'm almost were surprised that the existence of this process was was was announced than than that. It's be then the the results are being held back. Oh interesting yeah. I think the reason that was announced was because that was Andrew Sherwood still trying to defend his job. Nobody is more disappointed in the results than me. Me and nobody is more eager to get it right the next time I talk to you a bit about the logistics here so I I know there's not very much time Conservatives will vote for their next leader at the end of June but they have to declare by February twenty seventh and and they need to raise enough money so three hundred thousand dollars to be able to run and then submit submit thousands of signatures from seven provinces to show they have the support. And so is this. This is a hard thing to pull off in like. What does it mean for? WHO's able to step up here? It's essentially insurmountable if you don't have a kind of institutional presence in the party already or if you're not John Kerry because does he does. He has very close to no presence in the party. But he's Cherie he's a special case the Conservatives believed they had way too many candidates in two thousand seventeen and they wanna feel that. It looks like four fourteen candidates. I I mean. Let's start with Sean. Cherie who who you just mentioned. This is the former Quebec premier federal government now has a counterpart WHO's leadership will contribute to improve the Canadian Federation. He hasn't confirmed his candidacy publicly but he's expected to announce later this month. He is of course a veteran of politics Former the leader of the Federal Progressive Conservative Party also And so is that an advantage for him here. Well it's huge He looks like the kind of person person who could win elections and formed governments. Because he's done that in the back which is not the federal level but it's it's one of the biggest of junior leagues first time. Almost a decade a federalist government will be in charge. There's going to be a lot of work for For the whole team you only sixty two. I'm getting to uh-huh Adrian get to say things like only six but he's got a wealth of experience including he's lost election so he knows what that feels like. He knows the mistakes you make these elections for you. potty was in ruins almost wiped out by John crayons liberals and that too. He spun as an opportunity. An opportunity for us to rebuild the great national political party from the ground up. And he's one and he's had to learn hard the lessons of government. He was not familiar with Quebec provincial. Politics when he Left the Federal Progressive Leadership to go to Quebec in one thousand nine hundred eight You know that being said he's got two big problems. First of all culturally. The modern modern Conservative Party is deeply influenced by Alberta reform politics of a kind that the progressive conservatives disdained when Jerry was was in the Federal Party regional factions are huge. Both in the in the in the federation right now and in the Conservative Party There's an awful lot of conservatives who will not consider a Quebecer for the leader of the Party and there's an awful lot of conservatives who will say it's retrograde thinking like that that has doomed us for now nearly a decade in an opposition and and could do forever if we let it secondly governing Quebec wasn't all bed of roses. There was an awful lot of political corruption. which has been established in the courts and which was the result of public commissions and special police investigations and trials and convictions? Testimony testimony suggests that all the major provincial parties received illegal contributions from engineering firms but the commission appears to be building a case that ministers in the former shutout government. We're especially vulnerable. Because of the pressure they were under to raise money for the Liberal Party. As recently as two thousand Sixteen Quebec's anti corruption squad you pack was was looking into whether Josh broke election financing rules and that will all be counted as part of Ashtrays legacy right the idea that he comes with political baggage. Here yeah so a lot of conservatives will say he's not there kind of conservative and a lot of conservatives they I don't care what kind of conservative he is. We don't want to spend an entire writ it period answering questions about the last government that he led. Okay all right. Let's move on to Peter Mackay former leader of the Progressive Conservative Party before the merger with the Canadian Alliance resulting in the President Conservative Party. This agreement ends vote splitting it. Means the two plus two can equal more than four. It means winning. McKay was a prominent prominent cabinet minister under Harper. And how different of a choice would he be. Two Cherie both were leaders of the Progressive Conservatives. That went oh here's where the race starts does seem like an episode of of the HBO Series Succession Because The Conservative leader who recruited Peter Mackay into federal politics in Nineteen 1897 was Josh Array. And today was Mackay's first leader in McKay was Sarah. Protege remaining shred of credibility the government and parliament might have in this country is on the chopping block. Sharon appointed him Tori House leader and like his father before him he became a justice critic. And there's every chance chance to they'll both go in and it's been a little bit speeding on the part of supporters of both candidates to the effect only one of them can run as the as the progressive conservative standard bearer. That's not necessarily early. Guaranteed and then you'd you would have open competition between them for support and McKay would be likely to rally people who think that Sharia has just simply not a really a cultural conservative anymore and Cherie would tend to or at least try to get the support of people who are just looking for a winner and Still looks like more of that than Peter. Mackay why why does she look like a winner. Because he's run a government you know. He's he's been Davos he's Been in in meetings with the. US state governors but but McKay's got better continuity in in the party as like. There's there's not a lot of federal conservatives who say McKay's not one of them because he served in Harper's government and hyper had nice things to say about him when he left and remarkably warm personal even funny tribute attribute. I met the young Peter Mackay sexiest male and pay. And then it didn't bother me anyway away with the so the dynamic between chalet and McKay of both ran would be tents and fascinating to watch because Cherie would would at some level Sia McCain McCain's candidacy is a bit of a betrayal amenity running against his mentor. Yeah like Luke running against Yoda if few erred. Your trading do a become.
"conservative party" Discussed on The Big Story
"Solo conservative candidates. Brad trost here. LA- mu their support went to Mr Sheer during the leadership Similarly Tenure Grant Alan and activist in Ontario help make Doug Ford leader so there are a powerful force and when I read what they write about these things things they believe that if only politicians said what they believed in advocated for these positions more effectively or more forcefully than the public. Look Mike Come around I believe that. There is sort of unrealistic quality to that analysis and it reminds me somewhat of the inevitable post election analysis from the Socialist Caucus of the MVP. Whatever the outcome you can count on the left wing? MVP or saying well. We would have done better if we propose nationalizing the banks similarly you have the these A militant social conservatives who after every election say well. We would've done done better if if we promised to take action on abortion so they have an increasing close in the party and I think that the Mister Scheer maybe tempted to move closer to them because they can Rally support for him for this leadership review. It's not clear that he we'll do this. But if he does in order to engage with them more fully start to communicate Stronger social conservative positions. I I think that could be a risk for the party in that it will be associated more firmly in the minds of middle of the Road Canadians with sort of minority. Already views on these questions. Well Shirley Trudeau and sing would love to run the next election against a conservative party that's embracing The kind of spectres that they tried tried to raise about them and this one right. I am sure that the liberals are sitting back and praying that Andrea Sherr hangs on as Conservative leader. Because as Peter Mackay said he did kind of miss an empty net in the last election and and they can just continue to paint him as a social conservative. Who Won't discuss Won't be honest with Canadians about how he feels about things I find it. It's there's a painful quality to watching it. I think Andrew Shares in is a nice man. He's a a pleasant sort of character. After I I I'm sure he works without any problems with people who are gay. It's not like he's not a big it I don't think but he can't bring himself to say Well yes I used to oppose same sex marriage and my church says that's wrong but I see that You know there are things that are way. She could deal with this that he he just doesn't want to. Well does a Catholic too right. He's dealt with it. Yes yes that's right right now. Also they're they're basis different so so trudeau Does not have to worry about alienating social conservative supporters and I know if you talk to conservative politicians off the record conservative organizers and say you know I have you have you been to a pride parade. Did your candidate go to a pride parade. They do get pushback. They will tell you that when they do that. Some of their supporters will say well you lost my support. I don't believe in that that's wrong. So I mean Mr Sheer has to deal deal with basis. Mr Trudeau doesn't have to deal with Mr. Mr Trudeau is a self-proclaimed feminist has curry favor with you know abortion rights activists and also with. Gt Do community. He moved the party away from you. Know it used to be that you you could be anti abortion and a member of the Liberal Party. And he's he's Move the party to polarize along these lines. I I kind of feel badly for the position that Andrea Sherr is in because he may have to move in a way to keep his job that might make him less likely to win the next election election and thus put his job at further risk. I don't is there a way out of this firm. Can you walk a line. I think it's very difficult in less things. Go terribly for the Liberals in the next six months we are all thinking the conventional wisdom. The moment is that the Minister Trudeau has a stable Minority he can uh sit back and take time and proceed organized manner to meet parliament and proceed with his agenda. And that's the likeliest thing But if if something terrible happens if the RCMP announced that they are investigating SNC. Laval and if you have a a few decides to dress up in black face again or or go to some foreign country in the foolishly again You know right track record is mixed right. Yeah so there are things that could happen. That would put the focus back on the Liberals and would make the Conservatives feel that. They can't afford to change their leader in a minority parliament. So in a way I suspect that sheer is doomed as leader although he can hang on and hope that events transpired the change the circumstances for them that basically pleaded liberals The Trudeau government messes up in some important way right. Well the kind of sword hanging over all this as the technically. I guess we could have having election anytime after the throne speech right yes The government conceivably could follow the throne speech and we could be back into an election immediately. Really that is never the way these things play out And you know. I don't think we're ready for another elections And voters would punish any party that You know would Be Seen to recklessly brought out another a unnecessary election. I don't think there's going to be an election before our October. Nineteen nineteen twenty twenty one. which is the date at which the class of Twenty fifteen which is a majority of? MP's and this Parliament have vested their pensions and so none of them are GonNa want to go for another election before they crossed that finish line. That's a very pragmatic way to determine when we have another election. Well politicians are just people and Like anyone they worry about how they're gonNA look after their retirement so I suspect that they will suddenly feel a lot braver on confidence after that happens and I guess we'll see in April if Mr Scherr surveys I think it's GonNa be very interesting to be in Toronto when they count the votes that I'm going to put that in my calendar. Thank Stephen Thank you. Stephen Maher contributing editor at Maclean's that was the big story. You want more there on the website at the big story podcast dot ca there also in your favorite podcast cast APP. WanNa talk to us where to find us at the big story F. P. N.. 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"It's never good when critics can sum up your performance as a politician with a famous sports. Blooper yeah they use a good Canadian analogy. It was like having a breakaway on an open net and missing the run pass Spiel. And that's why despite yes. Increasing the Conservative Party seat count and yes despite forming a strong opposition and taking a liberal majority down to a minority Conservative Party leader. Andrew Scheer is still fighting for his job shear survived a caucus meeting last week. That ran for hours only to emerge and meet the press and walk right into a perfect example of exactly what like many in his party. Think cost them the election issues like same sex marriage. You are still not giving personal view so my question for you. Do you believe that being gazed. Then we made it very clear during the election in the last few months and years. Our Party is inclusive we believe in the quality the rights of all we are. My personal opinion is that I respect. The rights of every single was an answer that try to please both sides and ended up leasing no one and it was a perfect picture of the division within the Conservative Party right. Now we'll sheer your move further towards social conservative issues to save his job even if it costs him the next election is he willing to put his personal no beliefs in front of voters knowing that many of them will never trust him unless he does and can the Conservative Party as a whole unite around a direction. They could help them win. What should in theory be a very winnable next election and an election? That could come sooner than they think Jordan. He throwing this big story. Stephen Maher is a contributing leading editor at Maclean's Stephen Are you doing. I'm doing very well and for those of us which unfortunately doesn't include me. Who are able to kind of tune out for you bet after the election can you Explain what happened to Andrew share in the wake of the liberal minority win. A lot of people were very disappointed in the conservative. SORTA party that. The party didn't do better not long after the election. Peter Mackay at a forum in Washington said that Mr Scherr are had Missing empty next basically years ago hockey analogy a widespread feeling In in the Conservative Party. That you're was was not able to do as well as the party could have particularly when you when you look at some of the vulnerabilities of liberals I mean. This is a campaign that started with news it was about A AN RCMP inquiry into the essence Alaba fair and it was then followed with the Brown face and black face incidents so trudeau was gullible and the conservative campaign was not able to take advantage of those vulnerabilities tell me about last week's caucus meetings specifically what do we we know about what happened in there. Well we know that lasted seven and a half hours which is a long meeting The the first two and a half half hours were taken up with sort of procedural business involving of something called the Reform Act which was brought in by Michael Chong and the previous government as a way of empowering backbenchers and there was a key vote where the conservative caucus They had stand up. It wasn't a private ballot a private Secret ballot then just stand up and vote to give themselves the power to remove the leader so it wasn't a vote to to actually remove him but to maintain that theoretical power. I'm told that only eighteen people stood up. Certainly fewer than twenty so sheer sort of survived survived dot task. As I as everyone sort of expected he would write. MTV's even those who would like to get rid of share would be reluctant to do so in a caucus revolt because they would then be accused of having ignored the will of Party members who ooh selected sheer right. That makes sense. Yeah and it's true if say decapitated him in a caucus meeting then people could say well. I voted for him. You know. Why are you ignoring the membership and there is a mechanism in April and a lot of everything that's happening of the Conservative Party between now and the convention in an April is going to be geared around that whether she can get enough votes to survive he likely needs around seventy percent of the votes of delegates and and there are a lot of people in the party? I think more than thirty percent who thinks that the problems with share are not gonna get better before the next election elections. Can you try to sort of sum up the division about the problems with Andrew Scheer. Why do some people in the party? He missed the empty net. Essentially well if you look at polling it shows the Mister became less popular as Canadians. Got To know him better. which is not what I expected? What happened? I thought that Canadians would find him to be a A mild pleasant man but it turned out that as the campaign went on his disapproval numbers kept getting higher and higher. Now why is that. One thing that A lot of conservatives believe is that his is reluctant to discuss his position on same. Sex Marriage is causing a lot of problems for him the other policy. Let's see issue that caused problems at the doorsteps and particularly on Terron. Quebec is the environment the climate change policy that the Conservatives brought forward got very bad reviews the people gotta closely said that it would increase our emissions rather than reducing them in comparison to the liberal plan. And the other thing is there's I campaign mechanics at the end of the campaign. The conservative sent their troops to the wrong places. They seemed not to we know which ridings were competitive and which writings were knocked competitor that his unusual for a modern political campaign with all of the data. Ah with all the polling. It's Kinda surprising. It raises serious questions about the competence of Mr Shears team. For instance at the end of the campaign campaign. They were sending a resources to von Woodbridge. which were they were not in contention Nova Nova Scotia. where I'm from? I know that they suspend a lot of resources. Trying to get country singer. George Canyon elected in Central Nova where they did not have a realistic shot of wing. Meanwhile the the next riding riding Cumberland Colchester. They lost by five hundred votes and they didn't the troops there. So there's a there's evidence to suggest suggest that in sort of get out the vote and polling world where we're Mr Harper's parties Steven Harper's parties to be very good at this stuff that at some point the conservatives have lost the plot so you have these policy questions and then you have a sort of confidence question and then you have a kind of personality question about Mr Sheer. So so there's I think a very strong case to be made that They would likely do better with someone else. There is a counter argument that often often leaders do better on the second shot You know if you look at Jack Layton for example over multiple elections people got to know he got better rabbit and eventually you know voters decide to reward you. I don't think that's the case with share but there is a counter argument. Well I wanted to ask you specifically only about the way. The party is dealing with his personal beliefs. Because I thought you really Summed it up well Mcclain's and if you could maybe describe the dynamics wchs in the conservative party right now over What I guess has kind of been referred to as Andrew shares personal beliefs versus political right? So there's a there's there's a divide in that you have some conservatives including a lot of conservatives in Ontario and Quebec who on the subject of same sex marriage in particular you are saying. Why are we talking about this? Why can't you just tell us how you feel about it? And get past us. Because shears critics the Liberals or journalist keeps saying well. What's your personal view? And after his this very difficult caucus meeting A reporter do you think that homosexuality is a sin so while you won't go to a pride parade and he said he didn't answer the question he he won't say whether he thinks that being gay sinful. It appears that this is because does he would feel like a hypocrite. He is A serious Catholic and he does believe that this kind of behavior is sinful. And that's why like he can't go to a a pride parade. If that is correct he is out of step with Canadians. The polling shows that only about ten ten percent of Canadians now are opposed to same sex marriage. There's been an normal shifts in the last fifteen years. Since this sort of moved it became came a political prop potato When Palmer was prime minister once it was legalized? Everyone has basically got used to it. and we accepted Doug Ford went to a pride parade. All kinds of people accept this kind of community event as a way of showing support for people that is meaningful to that which is how I feel about it. Our neighbors our friends and neighbors who are L. B. Q. It's meaningful for them to have the community come out and say hey. We got your backs. Right sure won't do that so his some of his supporters are saying well. Why badgering him his personal views our personal views and it's got nothing to do with how he's run the country and that is a perspective but on the other hand if you want to become prime minister of the country can we really think? Ah Your most wrongly held. Beliefs won't influence your thinking so I'm sympathetic to the people who are suspicious of him on these questions. Can you explain like I understand the one side of the Conservative Party who must be saying like look just get modern And recognize that. This is an issue that Canadians are are settled on and let's move on but there's a force inside that party. That doesn't want him to do that. And I understand that they have their own personal beliefs. But I'm wondering what kind of political argument they can make That that sheer needs to stay and Align himself with the social conservatives so often these these these are people who are associated with the right to life movement so they're anti-abortion activists and they are increasingly powerful force in the Conservative Party of Canada and the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party and they in fact made Mr Sheer leader during the there were a couple.
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"Release there is the uncut versions of the episodes so there are certain items that may drop out of the versions of the episodes that we release the regular platforms So if you're interested in listening to those all it takes as little as a dollar a month donation and you can get some of that additional information from us that's all the self promotion for now those uncut episodes probably are helpful for the platforms where you're cutting down fifty percent you talk about yeah that's true case in point last week's episode on the Liberal Party Platform Ended up about thirty minutes shorter after we cut out some of the things that we talked about or just to try and get it into a concise platform that's a little bit easier for people to listen to so there is some additional information in that uncut version that people might be interested in let's get started before we dive into specifics general over you of this platform what do you think I think this platform has a lot in it that is very good some of the things they're not my point of view but I can respect them if I'm making fun of it I would say it's a pearly Conservative Party platform what do you mean by that there are things hear that when you think of little see it's kind of going against little Caesar there's extra levels of certifications or just things that they want to add to the government that we don't necessarily have that I don't know if we need but from my perspective uh-huh probably is a good thing yeah I mean I know there's a section in here where they mentioned we're going to reduce red tape and we're going to reduce regulations but then and they also say but we need to create these regulations over here yeah exactly I know so the platform comes out and you have Justin Trudeau. going around saying you don't release your best work on a Friday before the holiday it doesn't exactly work that way generally speaking you release bad news news that you don't want to discuss you fire people on a Friday afternoon you fire people on Friday afternoon yes you tell you talk layoffs anyway I don't think that fit in this scenario because interest here is still going to have stops the media are still going to ask him questions about it in a way this is actually a good under release it as much as I don't like it because it's so late your nine days out so your platform is going to be talked about for the majority of those nine days and people are going to be talking about it at home over Thanksgiving yeah exactly that's not a bad thing it seems like a good political quote unquote ploy to do it that way because of the fact that not only is it on people's minds during Thanksgiving weekend but it's like it's the most recent thing in people's minds leading in into the election week I guess as it were as a whole it could give them an advantage in numbers in the sense that now that our information is front of mind maybe more people will vote for us because it just triggers something in their head that conservative that's it yeah yeah there are things from the Green party platform that I cannot remember because it was as early as well and the Andy Platt from was released in June they only they only just released their p Okay costing some time in the last week as well as it might have been Friday as well yeah yeah they're platforms out since June now now I can start going right yeah let's get started on all right so the first item that the conservative platform starts with is this universal tax cut on the one hand I'm okay with any reduction in taxes on the other hand I guess in comparison to the liberal Oh plan for increase in the basic personal exemption this one doesn't have a dollar amount limit to it it's just a reduction of the first tax bracket it's GONNA help people and it's certainly going to help people in the lower and lower middle income classes most as a percentage of their income but this does reduce taxes for everybody right so for that single person that is only earning let's say thirty five thousand dollars there are only saving four hundred and thirty seven one dollars but that millionaire is saving the full amount on that forty seven thousand right so you're helping the millionaire yeah that's a smaller percentage but do do you need to help the millionaire and yeah exactly and that's and that's where I said that as a percentage of income the lower income person's gonNA feel it more they're going to be the benefit more but the benefit doesn't need to go to the person making yeah a million dollars I've like without disclosing my income I'm not the kind of person that means tax cut again the less taxes I have to pay I feel I'm fine with that but I don't feel like I need this benefit we're both in the same situation where I don't feel like our family needs yeah tax break in this since when I was earning less yeah just wonderful absolutely repeal the carbon tax we knew that that was going to be on their list I'm going to skip that when we talk about that one removing the GST from energy bills I like this idea yeah that's fine it like they say in the platform it's a necessity we have to eat uh-huh we live in Canada okay this well it does say all home energy for primary residences yeah okay because the reason why questioned is because they say heating your home is not a luxury it's a it's a necessity and it's like well that's just heating so yes okay we're going to be picky thing as much as I think this is a good idea that we should just do this I latch onto the use the word luxury yeah and go wait a second who has more heating bills the have giant homes so so it is helping everybody is something that we should do but you know it was just something that was funny there's any of things in the platform to make me go I don't know if they read this three times over and thought about it from a different perspective right the only other reason why I looked at it and said is this necessarily a good idea is that we look if we want to look back and I know let's not I'm not going to be like harper bad but you know the the previous conservative government reduced the GST by two points and just on that alone before the two thousand eight recession we went from having a surplus that we could use to pay off the debt that everybody's complaining about now again and essentially went to either a just barely balanced budget or a bit of a deficit and then the two thousand eight crisis happened and you know we lost the government lost thirteen billion dollars in revenue off of that two point cut maybe there's enough cuts other places I mean again there performance costed so they're saying there's enough cuts in other places by his costed but if you read the report something that has me worried is is from their perspective they might catch some heat because the CBO report says anything that's I WANNA say it's two thousand twenty three onward day rate as a high uncertainty that this is accurate absolutely there's things that that have not been announced I that they're taking his assumptions they're also taking into assumption that our GDP is going to keep on growing but right now when we live were in fear of a recession to talk about a possible recession and if anything it's GONNA happen right before a US presidential election because that's when it happened into listen yeah and that's a little bit of salt with a grain of salt with that because uncertainty creates it and generally speaking before country he's do have elections there's a little bit of uncertainty in markets and their dollar value and things like that and it's not until after the election happens and then companies and the sisters no yup okay I can trust this person has the empower yup there's a possibility that you're right with that that's actually relevant in that as we go through the platform you'll see that there's more things are there are things in it that are saying we need to get away from the United States and really we should have identified this earlier there are things that we need to get away from the United States because they've gotten away from us they right okay like our fuel yeah they don't anymore no they've run they're fuel creation a ton YEP and there are other areas that we as a resource nation have provided them in the past that no longer do therefore our resources are worthless right so another example is we're trying to get trade partnerships with China and Asian markets has the US doesn't it anymore right Asia might or does especially if they want to move away from coal and that's exactly it with the liquid look right so the US doesn't need anymore that's why we have surpluses so that's why it's it's in the platforms yeah absolutely they want to which again it's part of the platform that I don't have a problem with we need more trade partners okay so in the what's old is new again section of the of the platform introduced the Green Public Transit tax credit so reintroduce the public transit tax credit and slap the word green on in front of it and make everybody feel good so a note that I wanted to make here was it in a in a finance candidate evaluation so this is notes from the Parliamentary Budget Office called Primer on the public transit tax credit from two thousand twelve so the original public the tax credit was introduced two thousand nine two nine wasn't yeah okay so does during the previous conservative government and then this note K or this primary came out while the yeah well the hardware conservatives were still in power so essentially says that the federal public transit tax credit did not material in materially increase ridership and is unlikely that the elimination of that credit will materially affect ridership choice so while it was a handy the credit to have it probably didn't do what it was supposed to do which was hopefully increase ridership reduced traffic reduce increased emissions from I'm from cars and and other transportation and provide people a tax benefit at the same time basically just sounds like they're planning on reintroducing the say they are it's the exact same percentage yeah When I was reading through this I got stuck on the increase of fifty nine point five percent thought it's a pretty large increase or is it I don't know how many people there are that are using transit so what I do is I dug up the actual reason urge that that was based on found it it's pretty easy to find sunset's can I was curious like did other forms decrease no no during the same period car use increased by twenty eight percent so less maybe it's because less people could afford do have more people living in urban areas either way obviously other things decreased but not car us right so that's what they're talking about in their reducing the congestion in the traffic that's that's part of the goal but it's a twenty year period that tax credit was in place for approximately half of it so did it do any during that time frame no no the study that you mentioned is mirrored by stats can saying that it didn't have the effect that they wanted another thing unless it isn't a platform that they want to increase the TDC end and other forms of transit mass transit yeah more infrastructure dollars towards them yes with with what we have right now transit average ride is forty eight minutes and the average commutes twenty five minutes so you want more people to commute which is going to increase that ride instead of take the car we don't take our car because it's cheaper is an expense that we pay because it let's get to work faster lets us get home faster so we can do the things that we wanted to do at home so if I'm driving car and I see this I don't think I'm going to use the transit I think great the other fifty percent of the people that are on the highway are gonNA use it is it and the thing is everyone is thinking that so therefore no one takes the transit because of this incentive it doesn't get done what they want to get done what was the thought just going through my head it's like if everybody thinks that everybody else is going to do it nobody's going to do it exactly yeah. The bystander effect Yeah I think I don't remember it was a stats can thing but I remember when when they originally announced to this credit I did see something you're just wasting my tax dollars but with that said it is money that's going to be bull that can't necessarily afford a car that's a good thing that's where I'm going with myself on it and there's always gonna be people using public transit to do with housing extending the mortgage amortization periods so extending extending a member maximum memorization on I for first time home buyers to thirty years it doesn't solve the problem of being able to afford a house though so it's actually worse yes on a monthly basis it's cheaper still going to come up with the down payment though you still gotta come on the downpayment I don't want to get wants that just made me cringe because the citizens they had on it were when when she gave this as an example of something that they were going to do the gentleman was super excited about it and I felt for him but at the same point like if he has a house that's that he wants to hi this three hundred thousand dollars if you change from a twenty year mortgage to a thirty year mortgage you are doubling the amount of increase of interest?.
"conservative party" Discussed on V103
"Porsche so now let me take you down the road of troops okay rich people are Republicans that old forms that own construction companies owned restaurants very all the ones who hire the illegals who are here and they pay below minimum wage so they make a bigger profit they are the ones responsible for a lot of the migration across the border outside of the people want a better life the next person he is guess what conservatives are gay people to yeah you just gave me mergers Democrats wrote a conservative people told what they welfare is more white people well fitted black people hello and the last bit of truth guess what conservatives get abortions to case closed what they want all that input to suddenly very jealous the southern Nevada Gemma calls all in order the old guard he started to work on principle not a not they all do it things there gives it would be really trying to do is get your vote so they can stay in power keep making this money that's the Conservative Party you are coming up next thank you coming up next the metal you well being a you nailed it baby the nephew would run that bring back right after this you're listening Steve Harvey morning show Michael Jackson and on see what three.
"conservative party" Discussed on Talking Politics
"Now, you could say that will that was the crisis that the Republican party faced in two thousand sixteen that was Trump was it's only way about the power, but think that comparison doesn't really work because the Republicans have been doing pretty well in all elections, ever since the two thousand eight presidential election. So the Republicans weren't in an existential crisis in two thousand sixteen people, sometimes while the Republicans pick any candidate who could lose to Hillary Clinton turn out to be true, but he very nearly. Lost Hillary Clinton. It wasn't like Trump's appeal was we've only got one person you even conceivably could get us back in the game, which is it does feel like as you both have been saying that if Johnson has still this core appeal is that and yet we gotta finish with the crisis self, which we've been there is that the I think, for the point of view of the conservative party, they have to have somebody in tempted the legitimacy within the party who is not somebody who is interested, his cabinet all the way to the end, and actively means one of Johnson or rob, and that the never Johnson arguments run into the never rob arguments, you choosing between two people who are pretty problematic in the same kind of way that genuinely is you think that the breaker you mustn't observe till the end John's movie, prime minister, and five weeks time there's no? It wasn't quite my point is if it is the case that it was a hunt versus goes. I think that causes the conservative party, an internal party problem that in some senses, that if they're going to maintain the prison system of electing leader, they have on the gain, deprive the members of the ability to choose somebody because last time members didn't get to choose anybody tool presented with two may loyalists as the choice. I think that there another kind of political problem to deal with. So let's finish the question of the firm commitment, he's made and Crusoes. He shouldn't trust his words, maybe trust any positions words in this compass, because lots of things have been said about dates turned out the commitments were breakable. But Johnson has been absolutely clear that come hell or high water Britain leaves, the European Union on the thirty first of Tiber twenty nineteen some of the other candidates have said something similar lead some says robs and he said something similar, but he's probably gonna be if he got. Through going to be someone who say something, a bit different whether it's go or hunt says some people frame this. It's the choice between the person who conceivably could win an election and the candidates who are absolutely determined to avoid election. Any course of whom hunt, his one hunters being completely clear that he's the person who will make sure that there isn't an election, as long as he can avoid it. But it can't be avoided forever. Who's running the bigger risk as we get say this comes down to choice between two and you got hunt saying the one thing that we cannot have is an election this year. And Johnson saying the one thing we cannot do is not have left the European Union by the end of October is too risky positions, the hold, which is the risky one dealing politically. Maybe they're both equally fatal vast the judgement that the conservatives will have to make. And yet, the conservative party is in a terrible position at the moment, and it's not clear how it can be got out of its crisis, because even as everyone's queuing up to say that his essential to leave the European Union Bildt hypothetical earth, which is a not, especially coded way of saying, they're willing to countenance, if they can engineer it an audio wreck set that would also have catastrophic effects on the conservative party's ability to compete in key geographical parts of the country, and the general election..
"conservative party" Discussed on World News Analysis
"Now, in the way, one is for trees may to make an agreement with labor policy, and and the labour leader journey copen. So that would produce away out. Of course, the other way is tough another referendum. But but at the moment, knives them seem very likely. Two more about the referendum with this extensions. See the British public. I mean, turn against Brexit altogether. Maybe. Well, I think what they divide for public. Because clearly there are some significant number of people who were pace to leave the EU and the large number who still want to leave the I again, it doesn't resolve the issues. Nothing is resolved by this. I think if there is another referendum there is a Trump, but that will be majority to remain. But of course, that doesn't again it still doesn't resolve the problem that large proportions of relation they already to to leave. And there any signs that Prime Minister Theresa may has a new strategy to secure a renovation of her deal from the UK parliament. I think he does have a new strategy. No strategy now is to try and come up with an agreement with labor. I say believe that the other option she has to present the conservative party, actually, if he's done except my deal, then it's clear as we've seen already that we believe need new. So I think she's still believes. But if she carries on pushing this issue and say the only way out is like deal that won't bring the conservative policy behind there. And she can get very, but I'm not sure that is actually possible. Specifically, a what are the thorny issue that difficult issues in ratifying Mace brexit' deal? Well, the fundamental issues that she doesn't have a majority in the conserved hall director fire. There are still a significant number of 'em pays within the conservative party oppose the proposed stuff in Ireland are still a significant number thing may daily cheap close to remaining in the more much more child Brexit, you know, from the the fundamental problem and all of that is considered to policies split. And so the prime minister doesn't have a majority for day or not that's not going to. None of this changes. The problem. So you know, that means the other, and then is tough and election, and and and change the parliamentary problems so does the opposition labor party have any like clear alternatives. Well, I think that labor is clear in a sense, they won't is to maintain the customs union and if possible to maintain single market, so basically what Labor's position is now a very so Brexit, which would in many ways, maintain labor in the economic elements of the European Union's, but was in the political structures. There used to be a lot of talk about the future of Prime Minister, Theresa may, the political future of Prime Minister Theresa may. So what does is political future looked like I mean right now does he like to have some options for like early election?.
"conservative party" Discussed on KTLK 1130 AM
"Britain's Conservative party holding a no confidence vote later today on Prime Minister Theresa may, many members of her own party upset by the terms she negotiated for Britain's exit from the European Union. But a defiant prime minister saying about an hour ago. This is not the time a change of leadership in the conservative party. Now, we'll put our country's future at risk and create uncertainty when we can least afford it confidence vote could lead to Mrs Maes resignation. The manhunt continues for a gunman who opened fire yesterday on Christmas shoppers in eastern, France. French security forces are searching right now for that. Man. They believe opened fire on civilians at the Christmas market in Strasbourg suspected gunman identified by the Reuters news agency as sheriff Chicago twenty nine years old. He was already known to security forces as a possible terrorist threat. The police union says security services raided his home before the attack. Police found explosives during the raid. But the suspect got away three people are now dead twelve wounded of those wounded six are in very serious condition. Fox's Mike Tobin reports that France is terror alert level has been raised to its highest status meeting Tuesday between President Trump and leaders of the congressional Democrats over budgeting for a border wall. Got heated quickly last time, Jack you shut it down. Oh, no. And then you up waiting quickly. Do what you did twenty times of called for. I will shut down the government. If I don't get my wool. None of us. You want to put that in my set. I'll take it president. Then told Senator Chuck Schumer he'd risk the shutdown. If we don't get what we want one way or the other whether it's through you through a military through anything you want to call. I will shut down. Spending authority for parts of the government run out a week from Friday Asian stocks closing Wednesday higher. Dow futures are up more than two hundred.
"conservative party" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Globalist
"I mean, Goldsmith in his London Meryl campaign also made contentious remarks about Islam. Do you think that it's something that's deeply entrenched within the party? I think Zac, Goldsmith comments that she were different order. I mean, they were alleging that sitcom now, mayor of London would have extremist an extremist background with sympathies extremism, which absolutely outrageous. And I think again, he was talking about different when he really was dog whistling and point. They. It's difficult for this part of the conservative party conservative party has no particular ideology. And if anything, it is an ideology of freedom and tolerances, it's sort of difficult Con-constantly pointless within the conservative party. You'd see it much more on the kind of far-right of it. And in you Kip an argument uses a different former races within the labour party. As you can see at the moment with the anti-semitism row going on. Well, I mean, that is a big point. The leadership of the later labor party. It would seem to me doing everything they can to distance themselves. Now, finally, from these anti semitic promotes well, the labor party house is one of an absence of intervention at key points as opposed to actually you coop in has historically been on platforms with radical groups. What he's been doing now, I'm what is a team around who have been doing now is failing utterly condemn the racism that is going on under the name of under the name of labor. I mean, you should, at this point be kicking out party members who in any way, say anything that can be deemed anti semitic, that action hasn't take hasn't been taken. So unlike Boris who's just written his written some words, which colorful. And I think probably ill-judged. What copen is allowed to do is allow that to grow as a the symbolism can grows kind of virus within the party. And is that former dangerous? I think does that explain the reaction to to Boris Johnson to resume demanding an apology and so on? I mean, it it seems to me that there isn't a lot else that can be done to to punish him. He's left the cabinet. I mean, you know what else remains? Well, I think you what you can't do allow the sort of language Boris has used Johnson is used in general public schools because what in reality, what happens is the you find racist thug, ripping somebody's veil of their face on the streets in London, which is, you know, it's not outrageous act and there should be no space in civil society for that to happen, but she can't condemn because you condemn Johnson for that article, you condemning somebody that she retained in defense of British values, and fact. What were the press a little bit more? There is a reason the price goes for Johnson every opportunity, but were they little more considered an ice because one of them you would look at Alterman say was fantastic. We should funding to go rather than attacking it, perhaps picking up on the line that he clearly smoked marijuana. Aching, which is being completely ignored. Took about breathing in the fresh air and free spirit or whatever it was. If it doesn't seem to have done his barstools popularity, any harm, the is a conservative home poll of Tory members..
"conservative party" Discussed on Richard Herring's Leicester Square Theatre Podcast
"How'd you get in them and i just said the i applaud would you mean you applied i applaud it through the conservative party website an have faced is just changing expression from i'm gonna nail this little faulkner two i'm not sure walking now this little fuck away and he said what what name did use then mowing she wrote that the home hotes it was a little notebook when how to word with another officer am i never saw get and and i felt that moment i wasn't going to be in that much trouble shortly off that i did get arrested and they reach your rights and it is tempting to say along with them 'cause i know by now but no and that's when they put me in the cuffs and then put me in the van here and and the carried on from there the they think it might be spending the night in jail or might be yet yeah digits redick on the regulatory of course you like go over and we we let let go go before the night was over these yet they were that the put me in the van and again at seven is found to do once right twice off to the stack do but shut did make that joke to they bundled me in the van and they close the bannam in the back is a proper police van and handcuffed and yet and there's four of them in the front with the match and.